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Hello. 
My fellow historians a simple 

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pair of sentences from Young 
Griff in the Lost. 

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Lord chapter will help get us 
started today. 

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Flowers is a bastard named your 
from the reach and that explains

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it. 
We'd like to thank you for 

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coming today. 
We appreciate, just kidding. 

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He's speaking of sir. 
Franklin flowers, who has a 

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profile in this episode, but the
entire egg on / young Griff plot

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is directly and Dorothy, 
matically related to the 

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blackfyre stories, which is a 
story about bastards and the 

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central supporters of the black 
fire cause was the reach. 

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Even though Daemon blackfyre 
himself was not from the reach. 

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A lot of his key supporters were
such as Fireball. 

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And though Franklin, and though 
rather Jon Snow is not a 

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flowers, bastardy is a central 
aspect for the plot of The most 

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important characters mean John 
is one of the most important 

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characters and so this is true 
even if it turns out, he's 

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technically not a bastard at 
all. 

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Like if he turns out to be John 
Targaryen or whatever he goes by

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later, whatever his name 
actually is, even even if it 

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turns out to be Jon Snow 
regardless, he's been treated 

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like a bastard and that's what 
really matters to us here. 

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As much as we're honing in. 
On people whose name is flowers.

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Were really about the treatment 
of bastards. 

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Get ethically, reach bastards 
and And specific figures from 

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the reach, you know, I think 
that gives a good counter point 

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to even the story will get into 
later of Glendon flowers, 

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Glendon ball. 
Someone who claims to not be a 

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bastard, but he still treated 
like a bastard. 

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So it doesn't matter whether he 
is or not. 

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He is room. 
That's a good point. 

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Yeah, you're right. 
Even if there's a lot of cases 

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like that where the treatment 
comes with the title even if the

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title is observed and we all 
know that I don't deserve to 

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anyway. 
The way badass treated in 

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Westeros is unfair regardless of
their names. 

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One thing interesting to hear, 
it's a large subject. 

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I mean, given the sheer number 
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unmarried and given how ancient 
the stigma of bastard, he has 

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been around. 
It started a long time ago as a 

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story expands we can see the 
bastards are given different 

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names. 
So you start with Jon Snow, you 

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see his treatment right away? 
I mean, it's prominent right 

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away. 
John gets treated and how he's 

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separated from the rest of the 
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I mean, right away and the, the 
Brand's first chapter literally,

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like I'm not a stark, you know, 
the dire wolves. 

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And then the stuff with Catelyn,
it just right away. 

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You see what I'm saying? 
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different culturally speaking. 
The treatment of bastards is not

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that different and they're 
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right? 
So, it's also personal subject 

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because I mean seeing children 
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equitably, it's a form of unfair
treatment that you can feel 

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personally because it doesn't 
matter whether this is fiction 

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or nonfiction. 
It's upsetting to see a child 

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mistreated by an adult in any 
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And this is also saying, we see 
right away though, it's not 

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necessarily clear, why it 
matters so much and so later, 

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but right away, we see Catelyn, 
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Brands fall. 
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criticized for her for that, she
certainly didn't create the 

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rules. 
It's not her fault that the 

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rules that the laws that the 
culture is so against bastards 

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in the first place. 
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because they can claim Titles 
her son's titles. 

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Now, to be fair, of course, John
didn't create those rules 

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either. 
He's even less responsible for 

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them than Catelyn is, but they 
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She's not blaming him so much. 
It's a system and taking it out,

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on him a little bit. 
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the matter or the Heart Tree Of 
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Despite very different gods 
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in the north versus the South 
inheritance laws are pretty much

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the same. 
If not identical, North and 

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sound, which gets to the heart 
of the matter for Catelyn, she 

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as she expressed us to Rob via 
the example of Daemon blackfyre,

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you might be able to trust John 
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He pushes back when she says, 
can you trust John? 

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He's like a horse. 
I can trust John, but she says, 

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can your children trust his 
children and what about their 

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grandchildren? 
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It's a hard time, he can't 
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hand because for one thing it 
takes the blame off a John and 

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blames the system, which we just
did. 

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And that's the correct position.
At least a correct position in 

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my opinion. 
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it's pretty easy to criticize. 
As westerosi inheritance laws to

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which is the root of all this as
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And because this is topic is so 
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Well, we're dividing it as we 
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populous of the kingdoms and 
will stay mostly character 

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focused also as we so often. 
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delving into characters who bear
the surname flowers, we will 

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also be examining characters who
were never explicitly called 

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flowers, but we're very likely 
or clearly bastards born in the 

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reach with one or more parents 
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Though, they are not examples 
from the reach we need to look 

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no further than say, Joffrey 
myrcella and tommen, who are 

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children that are clearly 
bastards yet, don't actually 

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have a bastard named. 
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myrcella Hill or Tom and Hill, 
which would be the right 

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bastard. 
Name for them. 

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But it's not as if we don't have
example from the reach to. 

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And in fact, let's start here 
with a veritable bombshell, of 

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example, bastardy bombshell 
targeted at those prideful, 

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Nobles of the reach in a manner,
very unique to them, It's almost

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funny when you pinpoint the 
nature, their origin, given just

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how proud they are there. 
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how, you know, the Florence have
a better claim to highgarden and

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we do or and she's saying we 
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the tyrells, she's a red wine by
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Anyway, they all Trace their 
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Right? 
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they clamor and squabble over 
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Garth greenhand. 
Even though this is thousands of

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years in the past indeterminate,
it would never be possible to 

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determine this. 
This, but keep in mind Garth had

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dozens, if not hundreds of 
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hundreds of women, how many of 
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one a few and did they accept, 
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I mean, all the famous houses of
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bastards. 
They're all bastard houses and 

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we think about it, like they all
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They don't want us, reminding 
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Don't let them hear me say that.
But that's how they all started,

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right? 
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I mean there may be one or two 
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they're all bastards. 
Which we like to deconstruct the

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idea of battery in the first 
place because it is a little, it

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is a little silly, but there's 
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You know, in the room when 
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laws, that exist, the way they 
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ignore that either can you? 
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time. 
Delving into ancient questions 

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of parentage. 
Although that is fun to talk 

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about the old stuff. 
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recent And characters because 
that's what we have more recent 

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what we have more on. 
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forward because several of 
bastards under the microscope 

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today are still alive and 
kicking still kicking. 

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And we're still picking these 
flowers today, all that, and 

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more on this episode of history 
of Westeros podcast. 

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Hello and welcome my friends. 
You may notice, we have no Sean 

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today. 
I'm not wearing headphones. 

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There's no other screen next to 
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couldn't do this without her, 
but John's off this week, so 

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we'll take the bastard squad on 
without him, but we had a lot of

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help from Nina and she was 
particularly helpful because she

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knows sigils so well, way better
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And one of the things we're we 
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Here is think about how bastards
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their native house to show their
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For example, the example we gave
already of the Blackfriars is a 

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famous one day, just reverse the
Targaryen colors, instead of 

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red. 
Dragon on black, they got a 

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black dragon on red. 
So, we looked around for other 

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houses in the reach and tried to
imagine what an inverted Sigil 

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of theirs look like, and that 
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guess or, at least narrow down 
where some of these characters 

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came from because it gobble em 
they have the flower surname. 

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We don't actually know which 
house they're from, but their 

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colors might give us a clue. 
There's other techniques we use 

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to figure out a few of these, 
but most of them we just know. 

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So shout out to Nina, good Queen
Alia, Bhatt tumblr.com. 

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And her latest post is actually 
comes to us from our Our friend 

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Stephen at well, he was asked 
about Henry, the eighth, a 

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painting, the family of King, 
Henry the 8th, and why does it 

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have Jane Seymour rather than 
Catherine Parr in it? 

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And he deferred the question to 
Nina because she knows she's so 

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knowledgeable about that. 
So if that interests you then 

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check out good clean Ali, got 
tumblr.com for the full answer. 

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All right, this episode was 
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They chose bastard squad over 
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I expanded it to five topics 
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We didn't we had to postpone it.
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That is, you'll have time to 

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Yeah. 
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giveaway episode. 
We're going to give away some 

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shirts and whatnot history. 
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whether you submit them live via
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So anyone is in the running even
if we don't actually list off 

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your theory and the episode, so 
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that, we have a great guest. 
We have dr. 

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Kavita coming back. 
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So when you vote keep in mind 
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Kavita on for that one that's We
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We're going to bump that 12 

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March 19th, so that'll be a 
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Looks like it's gonna be the 
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March 26th, we're going to have 
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Dale or the blessed's will do 
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We talked about bail or a bit 
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So, lots to come, let's get to 
this one. 

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Now at the end of the episode 
will suggest some other when you

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can listen to to stay immersed 
and will give the answer to this

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trivia question, which is, who 
is the last character with a 

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westerosi Bastard name to appear
on Page, in a dance of dragons. 

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Are you counting the appendices 
knockout in the appendices? 

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And kind of has to be a chapter 
and I'm not counting someone who

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is a bastard but doesn't have a 
bastard named. 

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For example, virus is in the 
Kevin epilogue and he might be a

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bastard, but I'm not counting 
him. 

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No one calls, him bars Waters or
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might want to call him and I'm 
not counting Tom and his awesome

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that chapter because he's tommen
Baratheon. 

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Even though, we know, he's a 
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I'm talking to someone who 
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surnames. 
Who's the last one to appear? 

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Yeah, answer at the end. 
Quite a few individuals who are 

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bastards but don't have a 
surname or something of a 

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nickname that serves to conceal 
their Heritage and other such 

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quirks. 
Not all bastards from the reach 

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or clearly and cleanly referred 
to as flowers. 

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In other words, this reflects 
the nature of a system that is 

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both ancient and inconsistent 
because it's not like there's 

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some office of bastardy to keep 
track of all these things around

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wide. 
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societies, they did kind of keep
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about it. 
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Less strict than the real world,
but we're going to talk about 

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real world, real bastard. 
Some other time because this 

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particular topic of Rage Badgers
alone is so large, just on just 

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in Westeros. 
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point on that, in terms of 
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families, conceal, their 
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people at their household that 
are a bastard but they claim 

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aren't like like little finger. 
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fingers are is doing the 
opposite and claiming a noble 

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person is a bastard rather than 
the other way around. 

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I feel it makes for a good 
example because that sort of 

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thing happens and at the end of 
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example, kind of like that and 
it's one of the fun ones but 

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they're all pretty fun. 
If I say so myself, we had to do

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some sort of arbitrary 
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category of bastard Squad 
flowers. 

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It's fun to do. 
It's mostly color based. 

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Here, will go with black 
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First, one of the reasons I 
framed, the intro, the way I did

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wasn't just because of the 
gotcha moment regarding Garth 

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greenhand. 
But because when researching 

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this episode, I noticed that 
none of the people named 

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flowers, Who made it into 
histories are pre-conquest 

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Figures. 
It's not even that long ago, 

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right? 
That's only three hundred years 

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ago. 
Is clearly a matter of whack of 

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Records. 
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in the reach before aegon's 
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And while the name flowers while
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tradition, it's really predates.
The conquest after all Brandon 

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snow was a side, torrhen Stark 
during the conquest and unless 

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snow Just predates Flowers by a 
long time. 

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I kind of doubt that though, 
what Yeah, Nina and I both agree

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with that considered the idea 
that other Regional bastard 

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names existed before the 
conquest. 

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The examples given here are 
rivers like Benedict Rivers, 

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which was the king Benedict, 
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both Kings of the Riverland, you
know, good for them and he'll 

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Point Pleasant Addison Hill. 
So clearly there were bastard 

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names in the westerland's and in
the riverlands. 

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So I think it just makes sense 
that there would be in the 

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breach good point. 
Yeah, it does make sense and I 

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like the idea too of the other 
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For example, was already groups 
of that for, do I have a hard 

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time believing that all bastards
in the iron islands are called 

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Pike? 
And yeah, like Pike hasn't been 

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the dominant presently like 
wasn't even the dominant center 

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of the islands a thousand years 
ago. 

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So why would it be the center of
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Or you know what? 
I think the bastard named for 

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the whores were what make you 
say it? 

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Slut, ha. 
Ha ha. 

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That's a good one. 
For example, there's even 

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examples of that. 
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For example, there's even 
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Mark, Adam and Allen were called
of Hull, they weren't called 

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waters, you know, that's an 
example, probably of islands, 

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having their own thing going on,
because Island culture, 

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sometimes separate from the 
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way that would explain some of 
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the ironborn like why would they
all have the same Pike name 

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across all umpteen Islands. 
Anyway, it probably does. 

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Doesn't predate Garth greenhand 
time whenever that actually was 

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and whatever. 
Actually he was now becomes a 

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discussion point for us. 
Then when did flowers become a 

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bastard surname? 
Did that tradition start in the 

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reach? 
Was it less important prior to 

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the coming of the end? 
Also bastardy counts for little 

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north of the wall among the free
folk but it does count for some 

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that might be clue though. 
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craster, that's the thing that 
set him off being called faster 

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with the thing that made him 
reach for his acts and attack. 

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Back and that was bad idea on 
his part, but it is the thing 

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that set him off he. 
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can be upset, can see that as an
insult. 

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Hmm again though inheritance 
laws also didn't change when the

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end dolls came, but if you go 
back far enough, even law isn't 

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the right word, tradition might 
be more accurate and the 

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farther, you go back the to can 
be harder to tell apart, Trish, 

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tradition, and law. 
And, and even now the two are 

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intertwined. 
Nina says, it's important to 

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emphasize that the end all did 
not invent hereditary Royal or 

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lordly dynasties families. 
Like the gardeners have been in 

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power ruling his rhetoric Kings 
for thousands of years before 

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the first n dolls. 
Arrived in Westeros. 

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Any hereditary ruling system. 
Has to establish a way to 

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determine who's in and who's 
out, who's next, who's eligible,

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who succeeds? 
Who has claims, right? 

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Whenever factors separate that, 
that had to be determined. 

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At some point wasn't all 
determined at once and then set 

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in stone forever, but the point 
is Declaring who's legitimate 

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and who's not kind of makes 
sense as a way to handle that, 

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even though it, there's a lot of
flaws in that system, you can 

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see why it would have been the 
way to go and very, very early 

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times. 
Now, to be fair, some families 

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actually do except they're 
bastards. 

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They treat them pretty well just
as some do not or maybe more do 

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not, there's an endless variety 
of scenarios and possibilities. 

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Just as there, an endless, 
variety of types of flowers, 

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makes them kind of a well-placed
metaphor in terms of their name 

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when their families do. 
Reject them or even when they 

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don't they often join 
organizations frequently. 

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These are like the life 
commitment variety type 

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organizations. 
If your own family won't have 

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you will you join another 
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Someone like an organization 
that treats you like family or 

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that has aspects to it that are 
familial or at least something 

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that you can count on you. 
Take an oath to join the 

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kingsguard, the Nights Watch 
Meister Hood SEPTA's, septon, 

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silent sisters or just by 
joining a cause that puts you 

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True Game of Thrones type 
situation win or die. 

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Like committing to one side of a
civil war, especially a 

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particular leader, especially if
you're prominent, especially if 

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everyone's going to know, you're
not gonna like, who do you fight

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for in that war? 
You know, No One's Gonna know. 

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Everyone's gonna know who you 
fought for when it's, if you're 

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a prominent Warrior. 
So, let's start with one of 

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those black Byron flowers. 
One place where Westeros gets 

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itself, all confused is when a 
bastard is a great warrior. 

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Why is this confusing? 
Because Westeros is steams the 

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Warrior, perhaps most of all 
among the seven and in the 

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north, it's not much different 
even though they don't care much

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for the seven. 
So when I shun bastard, turned 

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out to be a great warrior. 
It's like the immovable object. 

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Cultural stigma meets the 
irresistible Force, cultural 

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idea. 
Love the warrior hate the 

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bastard. 
But what about when they're the 

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same person? 
Hmm. 

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Yeah, so Westeros kind of gets 
itself twist it up when you get 

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a situation like that and no 
singular individual embodied, 

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this confusion more so than 
Daemon, blackfyre who found 

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again his greatest support The 
reach Damon was famously 

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legitimised, of course so that 
does change things for him and 

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but he's not the focus. 
Anyway, still a lot of people 

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still considered him a bastard 
even after the legitimization 

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just like happens to Ramsey and 
surely others who have been 

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legitimized. 
Other people will not allow them

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to forget that who what they 
once were so legally though 

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Damon was no longer a bastard. 
Both his parents were Targaryen 

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which may be helped with some of
the Stigma. 

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But he did also raise the bar by
being such a great warrior. 

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He may have been inspiring to 
other bastards. 

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I mean, if a bastard 10 rise to 
be king, then these other 

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bastards that looked up him 
could rise above whatever their 

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station was, as well, not to 
King like he was, but to rise 

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higher than they were now given 
the new well arising bastard, 

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tide floats, all bastard boats, 
right? 

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And they might look to it, like,
well, maybe this is a permanent 

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And maybe finally Westeros is 
going to look at bastards with 

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Merit rather than birth. 
Maybe that would have happened 

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if Damon had one, but of course 
he didn't, and that may have in 

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the long run, made it worse 
because in retrospect came and 

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looked like a rebel who tore the
realm of part to a lot of people

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and that's not good in 
retrospect. 

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Had he won and ruled reasonably 
well and things had gone well 

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after a lot of IFS, Yes. 
But had he ruled well, or at 

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least World. 
Okay. 

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Yeah. 
It may have really changed. 

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How bastards were viewed going 
forward. 

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It may have said a permanent 
change or at least a temporary 

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long-term change like a hundred 
years, maybe things would have 

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just reverted, but it would have
changed the view of bastards 

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quite a lot. 
I think Nina says in Damon might

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have seemed provide these 
bastards more immediate 

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opportunity as well. 
Yeah, that's a good point. 

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Some of them might have gotten 
lands and titles. 

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He might have been promoted 
there. 

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Trueborn parents or brothers and
sisters may have been set aside 

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because they fought for Darren. 
And remember too that the other 

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thing about Darren was that one 
of the argument was a, he was a 

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bastard even though that's 
almost certainly a lie. 

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Started by his father aegon the 
fourth but had Damon one, the 

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official histories might have 
said that Darren was a bastard 

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and that which might have intern
not Done. 

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Such great things for the future
of bastards in Westeros as well.

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Like, you're promoting one 
bastard for throwing another 

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one, under the bus and the same 
but maybe that's just breaks 

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things even. 
But what need is saying is that 

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a lot of people supported Damon 
would have gotten rewards lands,

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titles, and honors. 
And a lot of those people were 

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bastards so they could have 
started new houses or done other

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things to raise the profile of 
bastards. 

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But that's a big. 
What if a big thing that didn't 

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happen Nino's? 
This might have been, especially

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encouraging for bass has the 
reach given the Darren had not 

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only rejected any idea of 
continual work as of Conquest 

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against Dorne which meant no 
spoils to be one because a lot 

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of people wanted to fight darn 
because they like to fight and 

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they didn't like Dorne This was 
also a method of bringing Dorn 

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into the realm right, man. 
That's a big thing that they're 

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on. 
Did he finished the work of Baal

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or and completing this peaceful 
completion of Westeros into one 

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body rather than separate thing?
And this is why a lot of people 

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fought for Damon because they 
wanted a chance. 

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They wanted the opportunity. 
That war brings a chance to win,

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renowned Fame and get land and 
titles. 

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Can't do that piece, right? 
It's hard to do that. 

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He says, anyway. 
So someone like Byron flowers, 

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we don't know what house he was 
with black of all the colorful 

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names attached to a person like 
black, white blue, green, any 

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color black is probably the 
least determinative because 

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there's so many of way. 
Black is such a broad term. 

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It can mean color. 
Like either skin or hair. 

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Yeah, I want examples. 
Here is black Beth AA. 

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Black wood which is for her dark
hair. 

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Hair and dark eyes, but also her
house Blackwood and the same is 

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true of black Ali back, would 
ya? 

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And then we have skin tone, 
like, brown been Plum or black 

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Baloch, who that is, that does 
refer to their skin tone or 

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temperament, like black Walder. 
Yeah. 

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That Rob noted that he was not 
named for the color of his 

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beard, or they just choose the 
colors, like, because they 

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reverse the colors of their 
house, and it turns make some 

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black becomes the prom. 
Call her. 

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And that was what I was saying 
at the beginning. 

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How Nina? 
Now we're looking for houses 

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with a secondary color of black 
because if you reverse it, then 

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the secondary color becomes the 
prominent color. 

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So maybe black Byron was from 
how speak or say house cock, 

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Shaw or madhouse black bar, or 
maybe even a Barner or lay good,

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little lesser houses like that. 
These are all houses that. 

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Definitely or maybe fought for 
the black fires cocks. 

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00:22:55,700 --> 00:22:58,800
I definitely did Peak obviously 
one of the most prominent black 

450
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,200
fire support period. 
So that could have been also 

451
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,900
just a reflection of his 
allegiance to Daemon blackfyre. 

452
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,500
So member of the black dragon, 
you know, Brotherhood. 

453
00:23:09,500 --> 00:23:13,100
So really it goes to show don't 
make too many assumptions when 

454
00:23:13,100 --> 00:23:15,800
someone has the nickname black 
something because it really 

455
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,500
could be a lot of possibilities 
less. 

456
00:23:18,500 --> 00:23:22,200
So when we look at other 
colorful nicknames but still 

457
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:23,600
still true like no one ever 
calls. 

458
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:28,100
Someone like a red temper, you 
know Yuma or white tempered but 

459
00:23:28,100 --> 00:23:32,500
black temper gets that's a term 
and you know Anyway, I think you

460
00:23:32,500 --> 00:23:34,000
can see the point. 
They're like, you have a real 

461
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,100
blue temper. 
Nope. 

462
00:23:36,100 --> 00:23:37,300
I never heard that. 
A sense. 

463
00:23:37,300 --> 00:23:40,200
If you think Byron flowers, we 
really do sense of humor. 

464
00:23:40,300 --> 00:23:44,500
Yeah, that's true. 
Now as much as people look up, 

465
00:23:44,500 --> 00:23:47,100
Daemon blackfyre. 
As I said, the fact that he lost

466
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,500
arguably set things back for 
bastards Catelyn. 

467
00:23:51,500 --> 00:23:54,600
Stark would argue that this is 
why he's the best example of the

468
00:23:54,608 --> 00:23:57,500
basic Point here. 
Bastards, usurp bastards lead to

469
00:23:57,500 --> 00:24:00,100
Civil War. 
Maybe it's not their fault but 

470
00:24:00,100 --> 00:24:02,400
it happens. 
That's why she brought him up to

471
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:07,000
Rob because maybe farther back, 
they were trusting each other. 

472
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,400
But when you get all these 
extended families and different 

473
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,500
branches of the family, 
eventually it leads to something

474
00:24:12,500 --> 00:24:16,100
like this and in the existence 
of other bastards enables that 

475
00:24:16,100 --> 00:24:18,500
because the bastards can all 
join together. 

476
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:23,200
I like they did with date now in
catlins case perhaps it's not 

477
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,900
fair to. 
Cite the worst-case scenario. 

478
00:24:25,100 --> 00:24:28,100
That is what she was doing when 
talking to Rob, maybe that's not

479
00:24:28,100 --> 00:24:29,900
fair. 
They were called the Great 

480
00:24:29,900 --> 00:24:33,700
bastards after all. 
That's like maybe that's not 

481
00:24:33,700 --> 00:24:36,100
maybe we should look at some 
other examples and not just down

482
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,600
if Rob who was only you know 16 
at the time knew his history a 

483
00:24:39,608 --> 00:24:42,300
little better. 
He might have fired back with 

484
00:24:42,300 --> 00:24:44,300
some counter examples which we 
can do. 

485
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,700
We're bastard brothers. 
Were staunchly loyal to their 

486
00:24:47,700 --> 00:24:50,500
house. 
Loyal in general, like Adam of 

487
00:24:50,500 --> 00:24:54,900
all what's on his Tombstone, one
word oil, right. 

488
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,000
Although, he was also 
legitimised but like, Daemon 

489
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,300
blackfyre, but that's the point 
here because Rob was proposing 

490
00:25:01,300 --> 00:25:04,800
to legitimize John. 
So that is a perfect fit for 

491
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,200
this scenario. 
Whether it's Adam, Damon, or 

492
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,200
John. 
These were all bastards that got

493
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,400
legitimist. 
Well, John not necessarily yet. 

494
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,200
We'll see about that. 
I also just in general would 

495
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,300
have loved more historical name 
drops in that scene between 

496
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,700
Catelyn and Rob, but I always 
want that. 

497
00:25:20,700 --> 00:25:24,200
So, what else is new? 
Now, Damon, of course, died on 

498
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,200
the red grass field. 
What about black Byron? 

499
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,500
Did he? 
Here's a quote, it would suit 

500
00:25:28,500 --> 00:25:31,600
Lord bloodraven, if their names 
were all forgotten. 

501
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,000
So he has forbidden us to sing 
of them. 

502
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:40,400
But I remember, Rob rain, Gareth
the gray Sera Brie Ambrose Lord 

503
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:45,000
Gorman, Peak black Byron, 
flowers, red tusks Fireball 

504
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,600
bittersteel. 
I asked you has there ever been?

505
00:25:48,700 --> 00:25:53,700
In such a Noble company, such a 
role of Heroes. 

506
00:25:53,700 --> 00:25:57,800
First of all, I questioned 
calling Gorman Peak and 

507
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,800
bittersteel Noble, but maybe 
heroic. 

508
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,800
I mean they were definitely 
Brave man, but I don't know 

509
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,000
about heroes but Brave. 
Yeah. 

510
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,700
So sir Eustace is very biased 
but Fireball was killed before 

511
00:26:10,700 --> 00:26:12,400
the battle. 
Bittersteel was not bitter, 

512
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:13,700
didn't die during the battle at 
all. 

513
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,700
So that proves he's not only 
speaking of the Fallen. 

514
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,800
I mean, Maybe by The time, sir 
used to speaking this line may 

515
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,400
be black, Byron had died, but 
there's no proof, he died at the

516
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,600
red grass field given this 
context. 

517
00:26:26,700 --> 00:26:30,000
He may have even escaped 
overseas and join bittersteel. 

518
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,200
He may have become one of the 
first members of the golden 

519
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:33,400
company. 
When it was formed. 

520
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,600
That's a total possibility. 
And it may not have even 

521
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,900
mattered as much to someone like
blackfyre and given the he 

522
00:26:39,900 --> 00:26:43,300
didn't have lands or keep, he's 
not a legitimize bastard. 

523
00:26:43,700 --> 00:26:45,900
He wouldn't have been losing as 
much by fleeing overseas, so it 

524
00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:49,100
would have been easier choice 
for him, and in some ways, We 

525
00:26:49,100 --> 00:26:51,300
can maybe up the percentage of 
our guest here. 

526
00:26:51,300 --> 00:26:56,400
On him, it's harder to guess 
someone like a landed Noble fled

527
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,300
overseas because they're giving 
up their land. 

528
00:26:58,300 --> 00:27:02,400
Maybe they knew their land was 
lost and they had no choice, but

529
00:27:02,500 --> 00:27:04,500
you can see why some of them 
would stay because they would 

530
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,600
maybe be able to negotiate 
keeping it for a penalty, but 

531
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,400
not someone who had no land in 
the first place. 

532
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:17,400
Clearly, our next example, 
Definitely did definitely didn't

533
00:27:17,700 --> 00:27:20,400
join the golden company rather -
the when it was formed B. 

534
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,300
This person is still alive and 
thus has an impact on the story 

535
00:27:24,300 --> 00:27:27,700
that we can only call TBD to be 
determined which argues that 

536
00:27:27,900 --> 00:27:30,800
he's among the most worthy of 
our Focus. 

537
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:36,600
That is Franklin flowers. 
Quote, at the gate Alden said 

538
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,800
something to the sergeant of 
guards and a runner was sent off

539
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,300
to find a captain when he turned
up. 

540
00:27:42,500 --> 00:27:46,400
He was just as ugly as the at 
time Griff laid eyes on him a 

541
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,900
big bellied shambling. 
Hulk of a man the sellsword had 

542
00:27:50,900 --> 00:27:56,000
a seemed face crisscrossed with 
old scars his right ear looked 

543
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,600
as if a dog had chewed on it and
his left was missing have they 

544
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,300
made you a captain flowers? 
Riff said I thought the golden 

545
00:28:04,300 --> 00:28:06,700
company had standards. 
It's worse than that. 

546
00:28:06,700 --> 00:28:08,500
You booger said, Franklin 
flowers. 

547
00:28:08,500 --> 00:28:11,700
They knighted me as well. 
The golden company does have 

548
00:28:11,700 --> 00:28:13,700
standards battle standards with 
it. 

549
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,900
Are you also a good example of a
character Roy Dotrice actually 

550
00:28:17,900 --> 00:28:19,800
voices, perfectly and know, 
people complain about some of 

551
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,700
the voices because he shouldn't 
be doing little girl voice. 

552
00:28:21,700 --> 00:28:24,100
You should not ask an old man. 
Anyway, I said that before but 

553
00:28:24,100 --> 00:28:26,000
he does this one really well, 
arguably. 

554
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,500
He's a Golden Flower instead of 
black, because he's in the 

555
00:28:29,500 --> 00:28:32,500
golden company and he calls 
himself a brown applesauce away 

556
00:28:32,500 --> 00:28:34,900
and brown is closer to Gold. 
But anyway, whatever. 

557
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,800
Its mother was a Washerwoman. 
It's cider Hall. 

558
00:28:37,900 --> 00:28:41,700
She was raped by a son of Lord 
fossa way, but between that and 

559
00:28:41,700 --> 00:28:43,700
his arrival, the golden company.
We know nothing. 

560
00:28:43,700 --> 00:28:46,500
Just he fled to the golden 
company joined it. 

561
00:28:46,900 --> 00:28:50,800
We don't know why he left. 
Maybe he did something to upset 

562
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,300
them. 
Lie, already didn't like them 

563
00:28:52,300 --> 00:28:56,200
because of what was done to his 
mother, but he lived there, 

564
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,600
while he was young, it's not 
clear, not clear when he left. 

565
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,100
Whether there was some reason he
had to leave in a hurry, like, 

566
00:29:02,100 --> 00:29:05,500
say duck, but it's not hard to 
Guess that he was treated. 

567
00:29:05,500 --> 00:29:08,400
Poorly, is also ugly as we 
pointed out here, which doesn't 

568
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,600
help and and he's good at 
fighting Nina says, it's a 

569
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,900
reminder of the deeply classes. 
Nature of the westerosi social 

570
00:29:15,900 --> 00:29:18,500
political existence Franklin, 
flowers exists because of fossa 

571
00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:20,500
way. 
Aristocrat saw his mother as an 

572
00:29:20,500 --> 00:29:23,600
easy as easy prey, because she 
was living on his estate. 

573
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:28,000
And because she has isn't going 
to find Justice on in a state 

574
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,800
ruled by this, the family, who's
the perpetrator of this crime. 

575
00:29:32,900 --> 00:29:34,400
It's a very unjust system, 
obviously. 

576
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,400
And of course, Franklin can see 
that he comes from this. 

577
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,100
You can see the unjustice pretty
easy for him to look on the 

578
00:29:41,100 --> 00:29:43,300
fossa ways with violence. 
Right. 

579
00:29:43,300 --> 00:29:45,300
I don't know. 
It's hard to like tell a man in 

580
00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:46,200
that spot. 
Like no. 

581
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,500
You shouldn't hate them. 
They're just living under. 

582
00:29:48,500 --> 00:29:50,500
No, of course not. 
His mother was probably further 

583
00:29:50,500 --> 00:29:51,700
mystery. 
This probably wasn't the only 

584
00:29:51,700 --> 00:29:55,400
time she was mistreated by was 
no one and done sort of thing 

585
00:29:55,500 --> 00:29:58,600
and even if it was the one was 
horrible in life-altering. 

586
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:04,300
So yeah, and that's why he has 
this This memorable line about 

587
00:30:04,300 --> 00:30:07,100
when they're debating, whether 
we go east, whether we go west, 

588
00:30:07,100 --> 00:30:10,100
whether we invade Westeros. 
Now, this is his bottom line 

589
00:30:10,100 --> 00:30:13,000
quote, so long as I can kill 
some fossa ways. 

590
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,600
I'm for it. 
So he might even be more 

591
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,900
dangerous than this. 
This guy seems a bit. 

592
00:30:18,500 --> 00:30:20,200
We're meant to think he's a bit 
of a brute. 

593
00:30:20,300 --> 00:30:21,500
He's a little more sneaky than 
that. 

594
00:30:21,500 --> 00:30:24,600
I think. 
But picture, what happens when 

595
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,700
they take Griffin's Roost, 
cottington sees the Ravens 

596
00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:29,800
flying at the maesters tower and
they keep shooting them down, 

597
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,800
right? 
And then he's like no more. 

598
00:30:32,900 --> 00:30:38,700
He tells that to flowers now is 
this a kill the master but 

599
00:30:38,700 --> 00:30:42,600
that's what happens, the he 
throws the major out the window.

600
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,600
I wasn't necessary. 
Just take the master key 

601
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,300
habakkuk hostage or captive, 
right? 

602
00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:51,700
I don't know about this guy but 
he's interesting. 

603
00:30:51,900 --> 00:30:54,500
I suspect he's younger than 
connington because he's talented

604
00:30:54,500 --> 00:30:57,700
enough to have risen to Captain 
but hadn't even been knighted 

605
00:30:57,900 --> 00:31:00,200
when John left 12 years prior. 
So my guess is he was kind of a 

606
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,000
noob and quickly. 
Made a name for himself because 

607
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,600
he's good at fighting and then 
good with people. 

608
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,200
We see that he's good with 
people, we see the way he talks 

609
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,900
of people and well, you got to 
have some leadership skills to 

610
00:31:10,900 --> 00:31:13,400
rise to Captain. 
That's not a fighting only 

611
00:31:13,700 --> 00:31:15,300
Talent. 
You know, you have to be to lead

612
00:31:15,300 --> 00:31:17,500
people and we don't know how 
many captains are are in the 

613
00:31:17,508 --> 00:31:21,000
company, but we're pretty sure 
it's the highest rank other than

614
00:31:21,700 --> 00:31:24,100
Captain General because it's 
kind of implies that it's like 

615
00:31:24,100 --> 00:31:25,900
chief executive. 
You have the chief executive, 

616
00:31:25,900 --> 00:31:27,800
the other Executives. 
Well he's tapped in general, 

617
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,200
there's much captains and then 
the top Captain so I think 

618
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,500
Captain is hey there's like a 
Church of s and commands there, 

619
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,300
he's the one who introduces 
connington an egg on to the rest

620
00:31:37,300 --> 00:31:41,400
of the officers which implies 
perhaps he has even higher 

621
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,400
standing amongst the other 
captains and then he is the one 

622
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,900
that introduces a gun to quote 
the lads, which is he just 

623
00:31:47,900 --> 00:31:50,400
introduced him to important 
people around the company, like 

624
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,500
cooks and just people, he should
know which means he's getting in

625
00:31:53,500 --> 00:31:54,800
with him. 
He's getting close to his 

626
00:31:54,808 --> 00:31:56,900
befriending egg on. 
This is a smooth move on his 

627
00:31:56,900 --> 00:31:58,500
part. 
The guy that they're going to 

628
00:31:58,508 --> 00:32:01,200
make into a king. 
Well, Franklin flowers, right at

629
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,000
his side. 
His buddy. 

630
00:32:03,100 --> 00:32:06,300
You know, I think it's what he's
doing, he's befriending the guy,

631
00:32:06,300 --> 00:32:09,100
the kid that's Rising High 
smart, right? 

632
00:32:10,100 --> 00:32:12,600
And he's the one that leads the 
ram against Griffin's Russo. 

633
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,200
He's out there kind of in the 
front, obviously not afraid as 

634
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,100
sort of takes charge whenever 
Harry Strickland's not around, 

635
00:32:19,100 --> 00:32:21,600
although John is giving orders 
when they're at Griffin's Roost.

636
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:26,200
It's, he is Lord cowington after
all, Nina says guess that 

637
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,100
Franklin's pretty skilled as a 
warrior and Commander, his many 

638
00:32:29,100 --> 00:32:32,000
arm Rings he's of Lourdes, 
Lourdes Ransom in armor. 

639
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,500
Rings. 
This is a fighting existence, I 

640
00:32:34,500 --> 00:32:38,300
mean you they fight to live. 
They take contracts that involve

641
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,900
extreme violence. 
So his adult life has been all 

642
00:32:41,900 --> 00:32:45,300
of this 12 years of fighting in 
the most professional company in

643
00:32:45,300 --> 00:32:48,000
the world. 
That is not something you can 

644
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,700
easily despised and a given the 
merit-based system that they 

645
00:32:52,700 --> 00:32:56,300
operate in and the type of 
Merit, you have to have to rise 

646
00:32:56,500 --> 00:32:58,000
being a good leader, being a 
good fighter, then. 

647
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,300
Yeah, this guy is this guy's 
pretty important. 

648
00:33:01,100 --> 00:33:04,600
Flowers wants to go faster ways.
But what about the end goal I 

649
00:33:04,608 --> 00:33:05,800
don't suppose? 
That's I don't know. 

650
00:33:05,808 --> 00:33:07,000
She's just going to be done 
once. 

651
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,400
He's killed some possible ways, 
side are all itself, probably, 

652
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,400
he probably wants to be the Lord
of cider Hall. 

653
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:17,100
That would be a great way to 
take back and take control over 

654
00:33:17,100 --> 00:33:19,200
the system of justice, that 
allowed his mother to be raped 

655
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,500
and no one to be punished for 
it, ultimate the ultimate 

656
00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:24,400
payback, the certainly, if he 
kills enough fossa ways, it's 

657
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,700
kind of his by default, but 
there are a lot of fossil ways 

658
00:33:27,700 --> 00:33:30,500
out there the apples. 
Well, there's lots of apples. 

659
00:33:30,700 --> 00:33:32,500
Maybe they're all close together
though because the Apple doesn't

660
00:33:32,500 --> 00:33:37,600
fall far from. 
Yeah, but but aegon, yeah, if we

661
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,000
get so far, aegon would just 
grant it to him. 

662
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,700
Is, it seems like I'm egg on the
6th, I've taken the Iron Throne.

663
00:33:42,700 --> 00:33:45,200
I reward my followers. 
It's a pretty straightforward 

664
00:33:45,300 --> 00:33:47,300
the reward. 
He would give to Franklin 

665
00:33:47,300 --> 00:33:51,300
flowers, the seat of his house. 
This is very straightforward, 

666
00:33:51,300 --> 00:33:53,800
right? 
But there would also be a need 

667
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,000
to fight the existing reach 
Lords that are not with egg on 

668
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,000
the sixth. 
He can't just March into King's 

669
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,700
Landing, take throne and the 
Ben's it's neat. 

670
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:06,100
No, maybe that'll pacify the 
crown once or at least some of 

671
00:34:06,100 --> 00:34:09,900
them, but the reach will still 
be like, no, we're not bending 

672
00:34:09,900 --> 00:34:12,000
the knee to you. 
We've already thrown are Laden 

673
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,500
with well, depending on which 
faction we're talking about. 

674
00:34:15,500 --> 00:34:17,600
But randyll tarly is an example 
Nina's here. 

675
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,900
That's one that lets say to 
yeah. 

676
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:21,800
Yeah. 
Actually we yeah, we definitely 

677
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,100
think he will fight for a God. 
Yeah. 

678
00:34:24,100 --> 00:34:27,199
He's a good candidate to flip. 
Maybe Rowan as well as mothers. 

679
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:27,699
Yeah. 
But, yeah. 

680
00:34:27,699 --> 00:34:31,400
I do Wonder like randyll tarly 
for Sample. 

681
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,100
What his real and let's say 
aegon's. 

682
00:34:33,100 --> 00:34:36,400
Like, okay, I'm here, I'm taking
over and I have this guy. 

683
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,400
I want to put in charge of side 
or Hall. 

684
00:34:38,699 --> 00:34:41,699
If Randall will be like, okay I 
gotta swallow my tongue and like

685
00:34:41,699 --> 00:34:45,600
follow my king or if you'll be 
like, this is a bastard and a 

686
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,800
brute. 
And a not fit to be a like I, 

687
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,000
you know, like if he would bring
his illegitimate, he would be 

688
00:34:51,007 --> 00:34:52,000
looking. 
Yeah. 

689
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,000
That might help him swallow it, 
you know? 

690
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:54,800
Yeah. 
Okay. 

691
00:34:54,900 --> 00:34:56,800
Officially he's not a bastard. 
Yeah. 

692
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,500
Yeah. 
But he's like, okay, well, He 

693
00:34:59,500 --> 00:35:02,700
could get around that, you know,
I might be that might be small 

694
00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:06,400
enough pill to swallow. 
There's also another angle to 

695
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,200
look at this. 
What if Franklin flowers himself

696
00:35:09,300 --> 00:35:13,000
turned traitor on his own people
not super likely but given his 

697
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,100
proximity to aegon someone could
bribe him to take out his young 

698
00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:20,400
charge in exchange for the thing
he wants which is cider hall. 

699
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,400
Now the thing is the guy that 
would be making an offer like 

700
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,100
that is like a virus and first 
it's the one on this side so 

701
00:35:28,100 --> 00:35:30,500
virus won't be making Franklin 
flowers that offer and in fact 

702
00:35:30,500 --> 00:35:32,100
he might sniff that out of 
someone else does. 

703
00:35:32,100 --> 00:35:35,600
I think this is pretty remote 
chance but We always have to be 

704
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,800
complete with our thinking and 
we can't assume Franklin, 

705
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,000
flowers will stay loyal and I 
think if he does turn this would

706
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,000
be the kind of thing he would 
do. 

707
00:35:42,700 --> 00:35:44,300
It's funny too. 
Hey, guy wants to lead. 

708
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,000
That's where we leave things off
or he wants to lead the taking 

709
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,000
of storms end. 
It was gonna be right by his 

710
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,800
side, probably Franklin, Flowers
by. 

711
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,700
What if I was pranking flowers? 
Doing the things I'm doing, I 

712
00:35:52,700 --> 00:35:55,100
would want to be at agon side, 
as often as possible because 

713
00:35:55,100 --> 00:35:58,700
he's got goals, he wants to hang
on to fulfill his ambitions. 

714
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,400
You want some kind of funny? 
It's confusing. 

715
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,500
The the Lord of Sky reach is 
Franklin, Fowler so Franklin, 

716
00:36:04,500 --> 00:36:09,200
flowers, Franklin Fowler. 
Yeah, and I mentioned duck 

717
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,200
briefly sir. 
Franklin story May remind you of

718
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:16,500
him a bit because again Doc is 
really trusted by Prince aegon 

719
00:36:16,500 --> 00:36:18,200
to. 
So these two characters May 

720
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,300
interact with pet duck, being 
one of guns, kingsguard Franklin

721
00:36:21,300 --> 00:36:25,400
flowers, setting himself up to 
be aegon's right-hand, man, or a

722
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,000
important operative of his than 
those two will be together now. 

723
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,900
Raleigh's, not a bastard. 
He was better Bridge place is 

724
00:36:30,900 --> 00:36:34,900
not as far as we know, he wasn't
And better bridge is where our 

725
00:36:34,900 --> 00:36:37,600
next profile originates. 
First, though Ethan has says 

726
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,500
five cents. 
Super Chances with baby monster.

727
00:36:39,500 --> 00:36:41,000
Is an example. 
How much you think we're meant 

728
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,300
to consider the others at the 
archetypical bastards who 

729
00:36:43,300 --> 00:36:46,400
westerosi misunderstand? 
Ooh, that's a great way to look 

730
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,600
at it because. 
All right, so clearly what I 

731
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,800
think Ethan has is referring to 
here with this question, is the 

732
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:55,100
idea that the others are like 
magically converted first men, 

733
00:36:55,500 --> 00:36:57,600
which would make them sort of 
bastard children of a sense and 

734
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,400
that they are, they have the 
blood origin of human parents, 

735
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:07,400
but were raised elsewhere. and, 
Aren't part of the family and 

736
00:37:07,500 --> 00:37:10,400
are the Revenge of the 
mistreated. 

737
00:37:10,700 --> 00:37:13,600
The, the children were 
mistreated by Humanity. 

738
00:37:13,700 --> 00:37:18,200
So they made their children into
weapons or they made our 

739
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,900
children into weapons and use 
them against us because if the 

740
00:37:20,900 --> 00:37:24,300
children altered humans and made
them into weapons to send back 

741
00:37:24,300 --> 00:37:28,100
against other humans. 
Yeah, that's kind of like taking

742
00:37:28,100 --> 00:37:31,200
the throne away humans and 
saying, hey look they threw you 

743
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,000
away, that wasn't fair. 
They threw me away to Let's team

744
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,400
up and Get them. 
That's a lot of the attitude. 

745
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,600
You see, with the rejected folks
saying let's all gang up 

746
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,700
together and get those people 
that rejected us like takes one 

747
00:37:43,700 --> 00:37:47,500
leader to unite that like like a
Daemon blackfyre or maybe even a

748
00:37:47,500 --> 00:37:50,200
Mance rayder. 
You look at it that way as Terra

749
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,700
incognita says, in the chat. 
Bastards are other authorized. 

750
00:37:53,700 --> 00:37:56,000
Yeah. 
They're Esther bastards bastard.

751
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,700
Husband is very perfect doll. 
You nailed it. 

752
00:37:57,700 --> 00:38:01,300
That's a really, really really 
great take and Ethan asked the 

753
00:38:01,300 --> 00:38:03,400
one thing I've got to say 
though, is you kind of ruined my

754
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:08,200
surprise Maybe monster is coming
up in this episode, but we'll 

755
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,200
save that for later if you're 
not fully understanding what I 

756
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:12,700
mean by that. 
Then the surprise is at least 

757
00:38:12,700 --> 00:38:16,300
partly. 
Hey intact, hey Tom flowers is 

758
00:38:16,300 --> 00:38:19,300
our next one just before the 
dance of dragons fully broke 

759
00:38:19,300 --> 00:38:22,300
out, the Lord's had court were 
forced to bend the knee to King,

760
00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:24,700
aegon the second by the greens, 
right before they kind of got 

761
00:38:24,700 --> 00:38:27,400
the jump on the blacks and we're
like, all right, we've crowned 

762
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,800
egg on, bend the knee or you're 
a traitor. 

763
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,500
And there were like, whoa, 
what's happening? 

764
00:38:31,500 --> 00:38:34,200
I don't even know what the hell 
like it was all. 

765
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,100
So quick if you remember on TV 
and in the books. 

766
00:38:38,100 --> 00:38:41,600
So some few refused one of whom 
was Lord Caswell of bitter 

767
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:46,000
Bridge, those who refused were 
executed and on TV this was 

768
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,600
particularly prominent because 
Caswell was kind of made the 

769
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:53,200
example of because Laura Caswell
was hanged on TV after being 

770
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,400
caught by Lord Lawry's. 
But in the book, he was headed 

771
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,200
along with the rest. 
We don't know if his bastard son

772
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,300
will be on the TV as well. 
We hope so though, because this 

773
00:39:02,300 --> 00:39:06,700
is him Tom flowers, Tom flowers,
the bastard of better Bridge 

774
00:39:06,700 --> 00:39:09,400
didn't go so cleanly. 
As you might guess, house, 

775
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,000
Caswell after that, after what 
was done to their lord, well, 

776
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,900
they didn't switch to the greens
after their lord was executed by

777
00:39:16,900 --> 00:39:20,000
the greens, of course. 
They were staunch for the blacks

778
00:39:20,500 --> 00:39:23,200
usually houses do fight against 
the houses that killed her 

779
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:24,400
Lord's. 
Unless there unless there's 

780
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,600
hostages involved or something 
like that and they're forced 

781
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,100
into it but they weren't in this
case. 

782
00:39:28,300 --> 00:39:31,900
Maybe they should have kept Lord
as well as hostage because then 

783
00:39:31,900 --> 00:39:33,600
they wouldn't have had time 
flowers up against them. 

784
00:39:34,300 --> 00:39:37,400
And he led the response. 
He was one of apparently five 

785
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,600
commanders at the battle on the 
honey wine. 

786
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,400
The others were all of high rank
here. 

787
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:47,000
Lord tarly, lord costain, lord, 
Rowan, and Sir, allenbys burry, 

788
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,300
of course, the bees buries were 
upset as well because of what 

789
00:39:49,300 --> 00:39:51,800
was done to Lord bees buried the
master of coin, right? 

790
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:56,700
That's pretty straightforward. 
So notably Tom flowers, probably

791
00:39:56,700 --> 00:39:59,600
a sir also he probably sir Tom 
flowers very likely especially 

792
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:04,700
if he's a commanding reached 
nights I could imagine them the 

793
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,700
pride flaring up. 
It being led by not only a 

794
00:40:08,707 --> 00:40:10,200
bastard but a guy who's not a 
night like that. 

795
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,000
Just wouldn't do it right. 
Would you like that? 

796
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,900
We're not following this guy, 
especially Lord tarly, Lord cost

797
00:40:14,900 --> 00:40:18,500
and Lord grown being at the same
relative rank turn in terms of 

798
00:40:18,500 --> 00:40:20,200
his battle. 
So this guy must have been 

799
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,100
special to be at the same level 
as them. 

800
00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:25,600
I mean, lord lord, lord sir and 
bastard. 

801
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,200
Right. 
That implies he's a good 

802
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:34,200
warrior, good Commander if not 
great warrior He might have been

803
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:35,900
legitimized did how do you 
survive the war? 

804
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,500
But he didn't survive the war. 
It was going well for a while. 

805
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,400
The black armies had trapped the
high tower host between them, 

806
00:40:42,500 --> 00:40:47,100
they were winning, but quote, 
the arrival of Prince Darren and

807
00:40:47,100 --> 00:40:49,300
his Dragon reverse, the tide of 
battle. 

808
00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:53,200
Now it was Lord orman's men 
attacking screaming curses at 

809
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,600
their foes. 
Whilst the queen's men fled by 

810
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,600
day's end, Lord Rowan was 
retreating North with the 

811
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,100
remnants of his host, Tom 
flowers, laid dead and burned. 

812
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,600
Monks the reads the to Allen's 
had been taken captive. 

813
00:41:07,100 --> 00:41:11,500
And Lord cost Dane was dying 
from a wound, given him by bold,

814
00:41:11,500 --> 00:41:17,000
John roxton's Black Blade, the 
orphan maker One thing, Tom 

815
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,900
flowers can say one thing that 
his family can say is that no 

816
00:41:20,900 --> 00:41:24,200
one beat him in combat, no 
mortal human. 

817
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,900
He was burned to death by 2. 
Sorry Ian yeah. 

818
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,100
So hey no mortal no man took 
down Tom flowers, it took a 

819
00:41:30,107 --> 00:41:33,100
dragon. 
It's got a loss, right? 

820
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,600
Silver Lining even Prince Darren
admitting this much when Lord 

821
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,200
Hightower he preys on him 
afterwards saying, quote, my 

822
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:44,500
Lord is kind to say so but the 
victory belongs to to sorry--and

823
00:41:44,500 --> 00:41:49,000
I'd say Tom flowers would agree.
Fee had the mouth to speak the 

824
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,100
mountain flowers, might be a 
good example of a bastard who 

825
00:41:51,100 --> 00:41:52,800
raises the esteem of other 
bastards then. 

826
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,500
Because like I said, he'd be 
remembered well for this for his

827
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:01,400
bravery in battle for rising to 
be a CO Commander with Lords who

828
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,200
were amongst the best of there 
are. 

829
00:42:03,300 --> 00:42:07,400
So I think that helps his story 
might be better known than one 

830
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:12,500
would think in that region in 
the southern portion of the 

831
00:42:12,508 --> 00:42:15,800
reach Nina says, it may also be 
a very local sort of Fame. 

832
00:42:15,900 --> 00:42:19,300
Or one or one most prized among 
members of the Caswell family, a

833
00:42:19,300 --> 00:42:22,300
say Melissa Blackwood who has a 
statue, honoring her in the 

834
00:42:22,300 --> 00:42:25,100
Raven three quads would. 
But it only vaguely known about 

835
00:42:25,100 --> 00:42:29,300
by say Jamie maybe because he's 
not a warrior in Jamie's. 

836
00:42:29,300 --> 00:42:32,800
Like upbringing was all who's 
obsessed with stories of war and

837
00:42:32,900 --> 00:42:34,900
stuff like that. 
Tom flowers, might be a regional

838
00:42:34,900 --> 00:42:37,000
hero for the caswell's and 
people better bridge. 

839
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,600
But that doesn't mean, you know,
people in King's Landing or the 

840
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,400
North would have heard of him 
beverages a well traffic 

841
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:43,900
location. 
So, it is possible that the 

842
00:42:43,900 --> 00:42:47,700
story is spread over the years. 
House Caswell has participated 

843
00:42:47,700 --> 00:42:52,400
in many of the famous Civil Wars
and westerosi history because of

844
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,600
its being so well traffic than 
somewhat Central and reach the 

845
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,900
scene where Catelyn Witnesses 
Brienne defeat. 

846
00:42:59,900 --> 00:43:03,000
The Knight of flowers, not to be
confused with a flowers, a 

847
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,100
bastard named to win a spot in 
the rainbow guard that was at 

848
00:43:06,100 --> 00:43:08,100
Bitter Bridge. 
The reason it's such an 

849
00:43:08,100 --> 00:43:10,600
important location is because as
the name suggests there's a 

850
00:43:10,607 --> 00:43:14,400
bridge and it crosses the mandor
right where the Rose Road meets 

851
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,500
it. 
So the Rose Road is a major Ager

852
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,900
Highway basically the equivalent
of Highway and these the setting

853
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,900
and this bridge is part of that.
But the bridge was only Reese 

854
00:43:23,900 --> 00:43:27,400
relatively recently renamed to 
better bridge for most of 

855
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,600
Westeros history. 
It was called stone bridge and 

856
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,500
we're talking a long time ago 
that it had that name because 

857
00:43:34,100 --> 00:43:37,300
the ironborn used to raid up the
mandor as far as stone bridge 

858
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:42,700
and the ironborn having rated up
the mandor that far for more 

859
00:43:42,700 --> 00:43:44,800
than 1000 years I think until 
your honor. 

860
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,200
They weren't referring to that 
in this context. 

861
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,900
So in 42, a see, one of the 
first major battles of the 

862
00:43:51,900 --> 00:43:53,500
faith. 
Militant Uprising against 

863
00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:55,700
maegor. 
The cruel took place six, 

864
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,800
royalists armies caught. 
An army of 9,000 poor fellows as

865
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,100
they tried to cross up River of 
Stonebridge. 

866
00:44:02,100 --> 00:44:03,800
Not too far upriver but they 
were doing it. 

867
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,100
I guess to maybe avoid being 
seen and if they crossed at the 

868
00:44:07,100 --> 00:44:08,700
bridge. 
Well that's kind of obvious. 

869
00:44:08,700 --> 00:44:11,000
They would have they would have 
been seen coming but they were 

870
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,800
seeing anyway, the slaughter was
so great that the river ran red 

871
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,200
for as much as 20. 
Leagues, which is like 60 miles.

872
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,800
If I remember my leagues 
correctly and Stonebridge became

873
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,800
known as bitter Bridge 
thereafter. 

874
00:44:23,300 --> 00:44:26,800
So great was the Carnage that 
even the Caswell Castle became 

875
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,000
known as bitter Bridge as well. 
So it's the town, the bridge and

876
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,600
the castle, all they're all 
better bridge. 

877
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,300
Now the data likely would not 
have even taken place had things

878
00:44:35,300 --> 00:44:38,300
gone slightly differently 
earlier in the year which brings

879
00:44:38,300 --> 00:44:44,300
us cleanly to our next example, 
take on flowers men, do not 

880
00:44:44,300 --> 00:44:45,800
follow the instructions in 
plaid. 

881
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:50,000
I just named specially dealing 
with roses or any other thorny 

882
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,000
flower. 
This is a character not a 

883
00:44:52,008 --> 00:44:56,800
guideline or command. 
Yeah, stick on flowers before 

884
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,900
the poor fellows were 
slaughtered a bit of bridge and 

885
00:44:58,900 --> 00:45:00,900
elsewhere because that wasn't 
the only place they were 

886
00:45:00,900 --> 00:45:03,700
slaughtered by Meg or and his 
people a small group of Warriors

887
00:45:03,700 --> 00:45:07,400
Sons, attempted to forestall all
of that, Slaughter by 

888
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,900
challenging makers, claim to the
crown, a brave Group of Seven 

889
00:45:10,900 --> 00:45:15,000
Champions led by Sir, Damon 
Morgan, AKA Damon The Devout 

890
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,200
fought. 
Or and his six Champions shortly

891
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:22,500
after a nice is death, none of 
the other seven were bastards as

892
00:45:22,500 --> 00:45:27,700
far as we can tell, but sir dick
on flowers was like the other 

893
00:45:27,700 --> 00:45:29,700
Warriors son to the King's 
Landing chapter. 

894
00:45:29,700 --> 00:45:32,800
He was living at the sept of 
remembrance, he was called the 

895
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,700
bastard of bees Brewery, another
bees burry coming up here which 

896
00:45:36,700 --> 00:45:40,200
is why he's included in the 
black flowers here because if he

897
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,800
reversed his arms like so many 
bastards do, it would be black 

898
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,800
bee hives on a yellow field 
instead of yellow bee hives on 

899
00:45:45,900 --> 00:45:48,000
Rockville. 
Now, we don't know much about 

900
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,300
his background just because he 
was a second or third, son. 

901
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,700
Actually, he may have been. 
I mean, he was a bastard. 

902
00:45:53,700 --> 00:45:55,800
So he couldn't have inherited 
normally, but he may have been 

903
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,300
the eldest. 
It's entirely possible yelling 

904
00:45:58,300 --> 00:45:59,200
me. 
Know, if we can only we can be 

905
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,400
too sure about is that he was 
Pious because he joined the 

906
00:46:02,408 --> 00:46:04,700
warrior Sons. 
Maybe he was unwelcome and honey

907
00:46:04,700 --> 00:46:05,900
hole. 
Maybe they did him, maybe he did

908
00:46:05,900 --> 00:46:09,200
them Proud by going off to do 
this, like Jon Snow volunteering

909
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:13,200
to join the watch, something 
like that, he took care of an 

910
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:17,300
internal problem. 
Conflict within his own family 

911
00:46:17,300 --> 00:46:19,600
by volunteering to leave and 
making his own way out in the 

912
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,700
world. 
Who knows pure guesswork here 

913
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,600
either way It's worth noting 
that house peasebury is for and 

914
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:30,200
house Hightower and hightower's 
had a long close association 

915
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,400
with the faith, right? 
That's even true in their of 

916
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,400
past the Dragon Dance, the 
dragons time and true afterwards

917
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,100
as well. 
Of course, the Citadel is right 

918
00:46:38,100 --> 00:46:42,400
there next to the high tower. 
They've super-long influence 

919
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,300
mostly One Way. 
Influence the hightower's 

920
00:46:44,300 --> 00:46:47,700
influencing The Citadel less so 
the other way around, but either

921
00:46:47,700 --> 00:46:50,800
way, I'm sorry, the Sid I said, 
the sit, all I meant to say the 

922
00:46:50,900 --> 00:46:53,900
high septon and the great staff 
and all that stuff, all the 

923
00:46:53,900 --> 00:46:55,800
faith Mm-hmm, but also the 
Sentinel. 

924
00:46:57,500 --> 00:47:00,700
So that is probably maybe part 
of this, the two degrees of 

925
00:47:00,700 --> 00:47:03,300
separation. 
Here you have high Towers being 

926
00:47:03,300 --> 00:47:07,200
so closely associated with the 
faith and some of their direct 

927
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,700
vassals would also. 
But in turn be directly 

928
00:47:10,700 --> 00:47:13,300
associated with the faith. 
There's power in the face. 

929
00:47:13,300 --> 00:47:15,200
There's power in that 
organization and it's a big part

930
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,600
of the cultural center of 
Westeros is the worship of the 

931
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,800
seven. 
So it's not hard to see why this

932
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:26,300
guy was under this umbrella, but
he's clearly a great warrior to 

933
00:47:26,300 --> 00:47:30,300
being able to rise this High. 
You wonder especially in that 

934
00:47:30,300 --> 00:47:33,500
era. 
How were bastards treated by 

935
00:47:33,500 --> 00:47:38,700
organizations like this? 
A lot of the seven worship, sort

936
00:47:38,700 --> 00:47:42,500
of backs, the nobility like it's
designed, sort of geared, like, 

937
00:47:42,500 --> 00:47:45,300
a lot of religions are sort of 
geared towards protecting people

938
00:47:45,300 --> 00:47:48,800
in power, or religion. 
Like to be clear, a lot times 

939
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,500
religions are altered to affect 
people in power, they come, they

940
00:47:52,500 --> 00:47:56,900
may be organically involved some
way and then get changed by 

941
00:47:56,900 --> 00:47:58,500
people in power to more benefit 
them. 

942
00:47:59,300 --> 00:48:05,100
That's pretty standard right now
in this case, we don't know how 

943
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,700
they viewed bastards. 
Clearly, they allowed him to 

944
00:48:07,700 --> 00:48:10,800
rise to this position but this 
isn't a position of authority. 

945
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,600
Its position of Respect. 
There is a difference. 

946
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,400
You can have both this guy's a 
warrior. 

947
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,300
He's not telling people what to 
do not given commands. 

948
00:48:19,300 --> 00:48:21,400
Is that the same as a Tom 
flowers, leading an arm. 

949
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:26,100
This is just a champion. 
He's a maybe someone that's 

950
00:48:26,100 --> 00:48:29,200
vital to or not Idols the wrong 
term, but someone to look up to 

951
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,400
an example to other Warriors 
Sons because he was one of the 

952
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:36,400
seven chosen to fight maegor. 
The most important trial by 

953
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:41,400
seven in history, to that point 
quite possibly especially given 

954
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,600
what Meg Corwin On to do, and 
the effects of their loss. 

955
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,100
If they had beaten him, they 
would have averted all of the 

956
00:48:47,107 --> 00:48:50,800
horrible things make or did. 
If they went up to heaven 

957
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,300
afterwards and look down, they 
would have been weeping over 

958
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,700
what Meg or did, next. 
All the debt, various different 

959
00:48:57,700 --> 00:48:59,900
things he did next, which were 
horrible like burning. 

960
00:48:59,900 --> 00:49:02,400
The sept of remembrance where 
they all lived in all of their 

961
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,000
seven hundred Brothers killed 
there. 

962
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,600
If they had just beaten him that
wouldn't happen. 

963
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:11,900
You know, as Pious guy who's 
worked so hard to be. 

964
00:49:12,100 --> 00:49:15,700
One of the best fighters in this
Marshall organization. 

965
00:49:16,300 --> 00:49:21,200
He would have been just praying 
and hoping and giving everything

966
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:25,100
you had to win that battle. 
But their best was not good 

967
00:49:25,100 --> 00:49:28,200
enough and he was close. 
Remember only Meg or almost 

968
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,100
died? 
Also, even though he was the 

969
00:49:30,100 --> 00:49:31,400
last one, he wasn't even 
standing. 

970
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,000
I would say the last man 
standing, but he wasn't even 

971
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,100
standing. 
So dang, yes, they would have 

972
00:49:36,100 --> 00:49:38,800
prevented that and bitter bridge
and all that other stuff. 

973
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,800
But unfortunately, Hagar was 
maegor. 

974
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,100
Next up, we have black shield. 
This is a good example of one 

975
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,400
that isn't called flowers, but 
he very clearly must have been 

976
00:49:51,500 --> 00:49:53,600
barristan. 
The Bold recalls attorney where 

977
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,500
he defeated a mystery Knight 
called Black Shield who turned 

978
00:49:56,500 --> 00:49:59,300
out to be the bastard of 
Uplands, this would have been in

979
00:49:59,308 --> 00:50:02,500
the time frame of 278 281. 
So embarrassed was already in 

980
00:50:02,508 --> 00:50:04,300
his 40s. 
Now again, we don't know 

981
00:50:04,300 --> 00:50:06,700
anything about this night. 
We don't even have his full 

982
00:50:06,700 --> 00:50:10,600
name, we just know that. 
Well, the tourney was in Old 

983
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,900
Town and Uplands is the seat of 
house mullendore, which is Next 

984
00:50:13,900 --> 00:50:16,900
to Old Town due east and them on
doors, are vassals of the height

985
00:50:16,900 --> 00:50:19,600
H. 
So the bastard of Uplands is 

986
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,800
very clearly, a flowers. 
And we don't know why he was 

987
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,400
competing as a mystery night, 
but he was trying to conceal his

988
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,800
identity for some, maybe he was 
a criminal and wanted to hide 

989
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,700
who he was, he was competing on 
behalf of some woman, like 

990
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:36,000
aiming the dragonknight dead, or
there's a lot of possibilities 

991
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,400
as bran would say, he would nod 
say agency? 

992
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,400
Yes, mystery nights a very 
sophisticated topic. 

993
00:50:41,700 --> 00:50:45,600
So if you were Use the 
mullendore colors and reverse 

994
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,900
them. 
You've got black on orange 

995
00:50:47,900 --> 00:50:50,000
because their sigil is orange 
and black butterflies on a white

996
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,400
field. 
So reversing that you would 

997
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,700
either have orange butterflies 
with black wings, which is the 

998
00:50:53,707 --> 00:50:56,100
bigger part of them. 
The butterfly body is much 

999
00:50:56,100 --> 00:50:59,100
smaller than the wings or if you
turn the White Field and reverse

1000
00:50:59,100 --> 00:51:02,300
that you've black, maybe 
all-black, which would give you 

1001
00:51:02,300 --> 00:51:04,700
a black. 
She'll wear. 

1002
00:51:04,700 --> 00:51:06,200
Yeah, there you go, it's 
perfect. 

1003
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,900
Example of all these Concepts 
about figure guy who character 

1004
00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:12,300
is even without having the 
explicit name for them. 

1005
00:51:12,700 --> 00:51:14,600
Nina adds to this. 
One aspect of reach bastard. 

1006
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,400
He was black should bite in body
is the ability for these men to 

1007
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,000
use the prominence of provided 
by such public displays of 

1008
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,700
Knighthood, in order to form 
career for themselves with the 

1009
00:51:22,700 --> 00:51:24,800
reach, being the heart of 
chivalry or at least the outward

1010
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,900
performance of chivalry in 
Westeros, it naturally Foster's 

1011
00:51:27,900 --> 00:51:30,600
staging attorneys and attorneys 
are very good opportunity for 

1012
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,500
able-bodied Westeros emails to 
make a name for themselves. 

1013
00:51:33,500 --> 00:51:35,500
They might not otherwise have by
birth or inheritance. 

1014
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,700
If a night is particularly good 
with a Lancer. 

1015
00:51:37,700 --> 00:51:40,100
Able in the melee, he has a 
chance to become famous, and or 

1016
00:51:40,100 --> 00:51:42,700
wealthy, even though he might 
have been born a bastard. 

1017
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,200
So, So sort of what Nina saying 
here is. 

1018
00:51:45,700 --> 00:51:47,000
He's a mystery, not. 
You don't know who he is, you 

1019
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,000
don't assume he's a bastard. 
You don't assume much if at all,

1020
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:53,700
other than he's a knight, but if
you know their bastard right 

1021
00:51:53,700 --> 00:51:55,500
away, they might people aren't 
might be rooting against them. 

1022
00:51:55,500 --> 00:51:58,800
They may already be looking down
on, but if you don't know, then 

1023
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,100
what's mystery that afterwards? 
Like, oh, they're a bastard. 

1024
00:52:02,100 --> 00:52:03,200
Okay. 
Well then you've already form 

1025
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,400
this opinion of him as a great 
warrior without the bias of 

1026
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:09,000
bastardy attached to them. 
So this may have been a clever 

1027
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:14,000
way for Black Shield too. 
Advances reputation while 

1028
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,700
setting the bias aside 
temporarily because he can't be 

1029
00:52:16,700 --> 00:52:19,100
a mystery night at all times. 
Obviously, still. 

1030
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,600
That's pretty clever, but that's
just one guess we don't know the

1031
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:26,000
Black Shield did that but 
someone could have this idea is 

1032
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,000
out there. 
It does exist. 

1033
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,500
It's a way to dodge your own 
stigma at least temporarily set 

1034
00:52:30,500 --> 00:52:32,200
it aside during an event, you 
know. 

1035
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,200
Like it's kind of clever we'll 
come back to black flowers in 

1036
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,800
the form of flowers in the 
Nights Watch but it's time for a

1037
00:52:37,808 --> 00:52:40,100
different color now, why 12 
hours again? 

1038
00:52:40,100 --> 00:52:42,300
We'll reverse the color. 
I can wait her off and you 

1039
00:52:42,300 --> 00:52:44,700
mirror colors or reverse. 
So, keeping with bastards 

1040
00:52:44,700 --> 00:52:46,700
reversing the color of the 
residuals will go from black 

1041
00:52:46,900 --> 00:52:50,300
cloaks and shields to White 
kingsguard of course kingsguard 

1042
00:52:50,300 --> 00:52:53,200
and white. 
That is the most obvious example

1043
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:57,500
that we have this guy's 
nickname, Robert flowers was 

1044
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,100
read Robert flowers already. 
He's throwing us off. 

1045
00:53:00,100 --> 00:53:01,400
Now, he's a red and white 
flower. 

1046
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:02,200
That's right. 
Yeah. 

1047
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:03,600
He was not just in the 
kingsguard. 

1048
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,300
He was, Lord commander. 
In fact, the whites Lord 

1049
00:53:06,300 --> 00:53:09,900
Commander kingsguard the red, 
who knows, maybe just said red 

1050
00:53:09,900 --> 00:53:11,300
hair. 
It's easier to narrow down. 

1051
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,700
On with red than black. 
Because like I said before the 

1052
00:53:13,700 --> 00:53:17,900
new red personality, or you can 
have red hair and you get for 

1053
00:53:17,900 --> 00:53:19,900
being a bloody man. 
I'm glad he person like, if you 

1054
00:53:19,908 --> 00:53:22,400
were, but that's not likely with
the kingsguard exactly like, 

1055
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,900
without Noble, they really. 
Are, I kind of don't imagine 

1056
00:53:24,900 --> 00:53:27,600
that he was known for his bloody
mess, but it made me. 

1057
00:53:27,700 --> 00:53:29,600
Yeah. 
But yeah, you could be known for

1058
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,700
that and slurs aside. 
People don't have literally red 

1059
00:53:32,700 --> 00:53:35,000
skin. 
You may have red tones skin, but

1060
00:53:35,700 --> 00:53:37,400
and that isn't really even been 
a thing. 

1061
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:41,400
And A Song of Ice and Fire 
really, that particular skill I 

1062
00:53:41,408 --> 00:53:43,300
don't even I don't know that 
that's ever been a reference 

1063
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,900
point when talking about other 
races, I don't think it has. 

1064
00:53:45,900 --> 00:53:48,400
Yeah, it doesn't seems out of 
place to think that would be the

1065
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,700
case here. 
So my guess is he I wouldn't 

1066
00:53:51,700 --> 00:53:53,700
guess that black. 
Something just means black hair 

1067
00:53:53,700 --> 00:53:54,900
because it's too many other 
possibilities. 

1068
00:53:54,900 --> 00:53:58,100
But red, I would strongly guess,
it's probably just hair color 

1069
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,200
but with the caveat that it 
might not be actually they miss 

1070
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,400
that they misinterpreted it this
whole time. 

1071
00:54:03,500 --> 00:54:07,500
It was red like he was very 
well-read, he was a scholar. 

1072
00:54:12,500 --> 00:54:16,700
Now, here are some examples of 
houses that might have be read 

1073
00:54:16,700 --> 00:54:18,000
using. 
The bastard color doing the 

1074
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,500
reverse color guessing method 
Charlie. 

1075
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,700
Charlie is green with a red 
Huntsman so it could be red with

1076
00:54:23,700 --> 00:54:26,900
the green Huntsman Webber, the 
red spider, right? 

1077
00:54:26,900 --> 00:54:30,400
The black spider on red or red 
fire on black red apple fossa 

1078
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:31,600
way in Reverse. 
Right. 

1079
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,300
We've already had a brown 
applesauce away, why not? 

1080
00:54:33,300 --> 00:54:35,900
This Nina says we couldn't. 
We shouldn't ignore the 

1081
00:54:35,900 --> 00:54:38,300
possibility that the red might 
have come from personality as 

1082
00:54:38,300 --> 00:54:40,500
well. 
That's good point Fireball for 

1083
00:54:40,500 --> 00:54:42,000
hothead. 
And red hair. 

1084
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:43,800
So Fireball had to knock checked
off. 

1085
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,800
Two of the boxes or Dalton, 
Greyjoy the red Kraken. 

1086
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,500
That was Bloody Deeds. 
Yeah, so yeah, it's a good 

1087
00:54:48,500 --> 00:54:50,800
example and Nina's Christie came
here, says calling. 

1088
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,400
Someone read could also be a 
euphemism for drunk. 

1089
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:55,500
Oh, yeah. 
Red face because they drink a 

1090
00:54:55,508 --> 00:54:57,600
lot, that's probably doesn't 
apply to. 

1091
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,600
This guy being Lord, Commander 
the king, he probably not but 

1092
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,900
still has an interesting other. 
Angela told, she's totally right

1093
00:55:01,900 --> 00:55:03,000
to bring that up. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1094
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,900
Totally It would be interesting 
if read Robert flowers, was Lord

1095
00:55:06,900 --> 00:55:09,300
commander of the kingsguard at 
the time of the first blackfyre 

1096
00:55:09,300 --> 00:55:11,200
Rebellion during the red grass 
field. 

1097
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,500
Maybe the red and his nickname 
could come from allegiance to 

1098
00:55:13,500 --> 00:55:16,500
the red dragon as opposed to the
black of Daemon blackfyre, which

1099
00:55:16,500 --> 00:55:21,400
would contrast him if by chance 
black buyer and flowers is black

1100
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,300
because of he fights for the 
black dragon. 

1101
00:55:23,500 --> 00:55:27,000
If its nascent Basin heraldry 
though, the nickname would have 

1102
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,300
come before he joined the 
kingsguard probably because of 

1103
00:55:29,300 --> 00:55:31,800
all the the white out, the 
bleaching that comes from 

1104
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,600
joining the kingsguard but he 
then it might have come in 

1105
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,200
anytime. 
So anyway, his name comes up, 

1106
00:55:37,300 --> 00:55:39,400
thanks to Jamie. 
Who's giving sir Lawrence, the 

1107
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,900
lesson in humility? 
Be a historical kingsguard of 

1108
00:55:41,900 --> 00:55:47,800
note, Addison Hill, the white 
owl, Michael Mertens, Jeffrey 

1109
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:51,900
Norcross, they called him, never
yield read Robert flowers. 

1110
00:55:52,100 --> 00:55:55,400
What can you tell me of them? 
Flowers is a bastard named. 

1111
00:55:55,500 --> 00:55:59,100
So is Hill yet. 
Both men, Rose to command the 

1112
00:55:59,100 --> 00:56:02,500
kingsguard, their tails are in 
the book Roland. 

1113
00:56:02,500 --> 00:56:05,700
Our clan is in here, too. 
Youngest man, ever to serve in 

1114
00:56:05,700 --> 00:56:09,700
the kingsguard tell me he was 
given his cloak on a battlefield

1115
00:56:09,700 --> 00:56:11,900
and died within an hour of 
donning. 

1116
00:56:11,900 --> 00:56:14,400
It astute. 
Regular listeners will recognize

1117
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,800
real and dark line as the answer
to a recent trivia question. 

1118
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,600
Note how Laura's jumps on the 
badger Dean's right away? 

1119
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:21,700
It's hard not to catch the 
Prejudice when looking at these 

1120
00:56:21,700 --> 00:56:25,300
characters and how and the the 
higher up a family is the more 

1121
00:56:25,300 --> 00:56:30,000
likely that prejudice is going 
to exist because the loss of 

1122
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,600
their land to a bastard claim 
would be more devastating. 

1123
00:56:33,700 --> 00:56:37,300
Going to a family with the 
amongst the most amount of 

1124
00:56:37,300 --> 00:56:41,600
wealth and land. 
But to Jamie's credit, Jaime 

1125
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,700
Lannister also from a big 
wealthy powerful family. 

1126
00:56:44,700 --> 00:56:47,900
He teaches Laura said, clearly 
these were men of good 

1127
00:56:47,900 --> 00:56:51,200
character, arguably even 
stronger because they had to 

1128
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:56,600
rise higher loras and Jamie both
had a fast lane to the 

1129
00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:00,000
kingsguard even. 
Oh, Simon didn't want that 

1130
00:57:00,100 --> 00:57:01,500
still. 
They had amassed line to the 

1131
00:57:01,508 --> 00:57:04,600
kingsguard of Because of Who 
their families are no Lannister 

1132
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:06,900
or Tyrell. 
Head, Start was available for 

1133
00:57:06,900 --> 00:57:11,800
read Robert flowers, probably 
probably Maybe he was of of 

1134
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,400
Highborn family. 
A particularly High prominence 

1135
00:57:14,700 --> 00:57:16,200
family and they actually treated
him. 

1136
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,400
Well it's possible although if 
Robert flowers were himself a 

1137
00:57:19,408 --> 00:57:23,100
Tyrell Jamie with said so so 
he's right on that family. 

1138
00:57:23,100 --> 00:57:27,000
He's from Nina adds, the point 
Dolores is to say that there is 

1139
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,900
more to kingsguard than just 
being delicious, most famous and

1140
00:57:30,908 --> 00:57:33,200
Infamous stories. 
It's not just being a great 

1141
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,000
warrior. 
That might be, especially true. 

1142
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,600
If read Robert flowers, again 
was Lord Commander during the 

1143
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:42,200
first blackfyre Rebellion, if 
gwaine corbray who went sword to

1144
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:47,000
sword against Daemon blackfyre 
in one of the most epic Duels of

1145
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,100
the entire blackfyre rebellion 
in total, not just the first 

1146
00:57:50,100 --> 00:57:53,900
one. 
Well, that's remember but maybe 

1147
00:57:53,900 --> 00:57:55,600
read Robert. 
Flowers was right there with 

1148
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:57,100
him. 
Maybe he ended up fighting 

1149
00:57:57,100 --> 00:58:00,200
somebody else. 
Maybe his leadership enabled the

1150
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,200
war to go as well as it did in 
part. 

1151
00:58:03,300 --> 00:58:04,500
Obviously, he wasn't the only 
leader. 

1152
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:07,600
And Jamie admits, there are bad 
ones too. 

1153
00:58:07,700 --> 00:58:10,000
Still, you know, even though he 
says that you shouldn't judge 

1154
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,000
them by their name. 
And the point is the point here 

1155
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,700
is, let's dial it back a bit. 
The point is to push back 

1156
00:58:14,700 --> 00:58:18,200
against the idea that bastard's 
are bad because they're 

1157
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:23,600
bastards, not to suggest that no
bastards can be villains like 

1158
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:28,300
any D other eyes dehumanized 
group, whether it's real world, 

1159
00:58:28,300 --> 00:58:31,400
minority cultural group, 
anything like that. 

1160
00:58:32,500 --> 00:58:37,400
You shouldn't judge a group by 
its whole membership, or by 

1161
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:41,300
individuals, right? 
Certainly any members of good 

1162
00:58:41,300 --> 00:58:42,700
groups that could be bad people,
right? 

1163
00:58:42,700 --> 00:58:45,900
Just because bastards aren't all
bad, doesn't mean they're all 

1164
00:58:45,900 --> 00:58:48,200
good either there's definitely 
some bad ones. 

1165
00:58:48,900 --> 00:58:53,600
Our next example is probably 
just that a bastard and 

1166
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,400
villainous kingsguard. 
But first I want to guess that. 

1167
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,800
When R uh Trevor Trevor read 
Robert flowers existed the one 

1168
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:03,000
the reason Enoch he never 
guessed Suggested. 

1169
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,500
The first blackfyre Rebellion is
because that is one of the best 

1170
00:59:06,900 --> 00:59:08,500
options for where we can place 
him. 

1171
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,100
We if he was just a regular 
kingsguard, it would be almost 

1172
00:59:11,100 --> 00:59:13,400
impossible to figure out when he
lived but because he was Lord 

1173
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,200
Commander, that narrows it down 
substantially because can only 

1174
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,700
be one Lord Commander at a time.
So anytime we know the Lord 

1175
00:59:17,700 --> 00:59:20,700
Commander red router flowers, 
can't be it. 

1176
00:59:21,700 --> 00:59:25,500
So the most likely time without 
going through all the details 

1177
00:59:25,500 --> 00:59:29,200
and why it couldn't be, is 
during the Reigns of a nice 

1178
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,500
maegor. 
And then a Xena says, just add 

1179
00:59:32,500 --> 00:59:35,600
during the early black fire and 
later, blackfyre Rebellion areas

1180
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:37,600
where we don't necessarily know 
who the Lord come into the 

1181
00:59:37,607 --> 00:59:39,200
King's Guard was. 
So those are possibilities for 

1182
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,800
read, Robert flowers. 
But now let's talk about our 

1183
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:46,600
bastard villainous kingsguard 
Mervin flowers. 

1184
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:51,000
Here's a nice lengthy quote to 
get us started on him bastard, 

1185
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:55,000
born himself, sir Mervyn was 
regarded by most dutiful. 

1186
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:59,400
If not, especially heroic member
of the kingsguard neither 

1187
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:03,400
Champion or hero, but a season 
Soldier, and a fair hand with a 

1188
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:08,300
longsword, a little man who did 
as he was, told not all men are.

1189
01:00:08,300 --> 01:00:11,300
As they seem however, 
particularly We in King's 

1190
01:00:11,300 --> 01:00:16,100
Landing, those who knew flowers,
best saw other sides of him. 

1191
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,300
When not on duty, he was fond of
one. 

1192
01:00:19,300 --> 01:00:22,000
Says mushroom who is known to 
have drunk with him. 

1193
01:00:22,100 --> 01:00:26,400
Hmm, those sworn to Chastity. 
He seldom, slept alone, save in 

1194
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:30,600
his cell at White sword Tower, 
despite being somewhat 

1195
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:34,300
ill-favored, he had a rough 
charm that washer women and 

1196
01:00:34,300 --> 01:00:38,300
serving girls responded to and 
when in his cups would even 

1197
01:00:38,300 --> 01:00:40,400
boast of having bedded certain 
High. 

1198
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:45,600
Ladies like many bastards, he 
was hot of blood and quick to 

1199
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:49,200
anger seeing slights where none 
had been intended. 

1200
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,900
Okay, a lot, we can get from 
that a seasoned soldier in the 

1201
01:00:52,900 --> 01:00:54,900
year 135, pretty, much 
guarantees. 

1202
01:00:54,900 --> 01:00:56,900
He fought in the dance of the 
Dragons, which ended only four 

1203
01:00:56,900 --> 01:01:00,100
years prior as a bathroom, how 
speak he would have clearly been

1204
01:01:00,100 --> 01:01:01,800
with the greens. 
He would have likely been in the

1205
01:01:01,808 --> 01:01:04,600
host that almost lost to Tom 
flowers and Company. 

1206
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:08,400
So he might have been on the 
edge of death before kothari and

1207
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,200
saved the whole group. 
He was with Then he would have 

1208
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,200
been at the slaughter of bitter 
bridge and Tumble tin and second

1209
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,200
Templeton possibly standing 
nearby. 

1210
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:18,400
When Rowdy the ruined charge, 
the Hightower position, he might

1211
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:21,800
have been really close to that. 
And he probably took part in the

1212
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:25,500
massacres of tumult in first and
second, quite quite likely, so 

1213
01:01:25,500 --> 01:01:29,400
plenty of red flags, but even 
just being half-brother to lure 

1214
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:32,200
done. 
When Peak is a huge red flag of 

1215
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:35,700
its own even though how Speak 
doesn't feature any red. 

1216
01:01:35,900 --> 01:01:40,400
So we went to read Robert to red
flags Unwin forms the caltrops. 

1217
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,200
Twelve other reach large, large 
Peak. 

1218
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,400
Just murder is one of them 
during an argument, if you 

1219
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,700
recall and I wonder if one of 
the reasons he felt comfortable 

1220
01:01:48,700 --> 01:01:51,200
doing that was because Mervyn 
was standing there. 

1221
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:55,600
Backing him up, it's really easy
to throw your weight around and 

1222
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:57,900
just murder people. 
When you don't fear the 

1223
01:01:57,900 --> 01:02:00,800
consequences because you've got 
a big brute standing behind. 

1224
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:04,200
You ready to back your play. 
So all these red flags are not 

1225
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:07,500
misplaced though. 
He's another example of what 

1226
01:02:07,500 --> 01:02:09,100
appears to be bash, traditional 
Prejudice. 

1227
01:02:09,100 --> 01:02:10,400
I just made that word up. 
That's right back. 

1228
01:02:10,500 --> 01:02:13,800
As traditional Prejudice, that 
line about being quick to anger 

1229
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,500
and seeing slights were none, 
had been intended, sounds like 

1230
01:02:16,500 --> 01:02:20,100
just amazed reading a narrative 
projecting common beliefs about 

1231
01:02:20,100 --> 01:02:22,600
bastards. 
Nina says, although Gildan later

1232
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,100
goes on to say that none of this
suggested that flowers was the 

1233
01:02:25,100 --> 01:02:27,500
sort of monster who could take a
sleeping child from her bed and 

1234
01:02:27,500 --> 01:02:30,500
throw her to a grisly death. 
She thinks fire blood has a 

1235
01:02:30,500 --> 01:02:34,000
distinctly Pro Unwin leading at 
certain points so it doesn't 

1236
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,500
surprise her that bill Dane 
would be unwilling to condemn on

1237
01:02:36,500 --> 01:02:39,700
one's personal cat's paw or 
potential cat's paw and half 

1238
01:02:39,700 --> 01:02:41,800
brother. 
A crime of killing Genera or 

1239
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:43,500
allowing her to be murdered by 
another. 

1240
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:48,800
But I'm with Nina here, I don't,
I think that plenty of this 

1241
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:51,400
suggests that flowers was the 
type of monster that could 

1242
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,700
seriously picture. 
Like, I don't agree with that 

1243
01:02:53,900 --> 01:02:58,200
conclusion at all from gilbane 
and if he truly did sleep with 

1244
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,500
some Highborn, ladies that might
come out and Fire and Blood to 

1245
01:03:00,500 --> 01:03:03,100
if he had bastards with them, if
not. 

1246
01:03:03,500 --> 01:03:06,200
Yeah, but one of those names was
Cassandra breath. 

1247
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:07,700
He almost certainly did sleep 
with her. 

1248
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,400
Well, he names her anyway, but 
she had no children. 

1249
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:14,000
So there's no bastard came from 
that Union. 

1250
01:03:14,300 --> 01:03:17,200
She was egg on the S wife and 
aegon couldn't consummate. 

1251
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:18,400
So this is kind of like a 
creepy. 

1252
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:21,100
Maybe like he was using his 
kingsguard to? 

1253
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,000
Yeah. 
Lets you get the picture. 

1254
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,700
We don't need to illuminate that
picture, fully, they're doing. 

1255
01:03:26,900 --> 01:03:27,800
Well, actually need to correct 
me. 

1256
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,600
They didn't actually marry 
Cassandra negin were betrothed. 

1257
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:32,300
They never technically married, 
but yeah, he wouldn't have been 

1258
01:03:32,300 --> 01:03:35,900
able to consummate anyway, and 
it was a particularly bastard 

1259
01:03:35,900 --> 01:03:37,200
full kingsguard. 
Yes, bastard. 

1260
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,800
Itial is the word now. 
And so is bastard full, because 

1261
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,400
there were a lot of bastards in 
this particular kingsguard. 

1262
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:46,000
And unfortunately, it did no 
favors to the cultural view of 

1263
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:47,900
bastard because these were not 
the good sword. 

1264
01:03:48,100 --> 01:03:52,200
So from Fire and Blood quote 
having elevated Ser Marston 

1265
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:55,000
Waters to commander of the 
kingsguard Lord Peak. 

1266
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:59,800
Now, prevailed upon him to For 
white cloaks to two of his own 

1267
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:04,500
kin, his nephew Ser Amory peak 
of star Pike and his bastard 

1268
01:04:04,500 --> 01:04:09,700
brother, sir Mervyn flowers. 
He went Ham on this Unwin did 

1269
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:12,300
appointing, his kin to a huge 
number of offices. 

1270
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:16,300
The tyrells the way, they're 
slowly grabbing Offices here and

1271
01:04:16,300 --> 01:04:21,100
there at King's Landing Unwin. 
How did them by a factor of two 

1272
01:04:21,100 --> 01:04:22,700
or three? 
He hi. 

1273
01:04:22,700 --> 01:04:26,500
Rosa did this with some Grace, 
some sneakiness on was just like

1274
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:28,000
I'm appointing you here, you 
here? 

1275
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:31,200
Just like openly, just just 
quickly P. 

1276
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:34,300
Yeah, that's right. 
Now of all these appointments 

1277
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:38,600
quote, his grace was, especially
unhappy with his kingsguard. 

1278
01:04:38,700 --> 01:04:43,100
He neither liked nor trusted the
two new men and had not 

1279
01:04:43,100 --> 01:04:45,200
forgotten the presence of Sarah 
Marston. 

1280
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:48,000
Waters at his mother's death. 
Yes sir, Martian water just 

1281
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:52,400
stood there which aegon will 
point out later during the 

1282
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:55,100
resolution of the secret Siege. 
Now, of course the reason we're 

1283
01:04:55,100 --> 01:04:58,600
like you know, if you forgotten 
The reason his grace can't do 

1284
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:00,000
anything about this is because 
he's underage. 

1285
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,200
She's blow the age of 16. 
She couldn't stop on one from 

1286
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:06,800
any of this stories like this. 
That like, I mean I feel so bad 

1287
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:08,000
for aegon. 
Yeah. 

1288
01:05:08,300 --> 01:05:11,300
Like the way they talk about his
depression and like how he must 

1289
01:05:11,300 --> 01:05:14,600
have felt. 
So, lacking an agency in power, 

1290
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:16,300
despite he should. 
I yeah, I feel so bad for that 

1291
01:05:16,300 --> 01:05:19,300
kid only one. 
Just like saw the age 16 coming 

1292
01:05:19,300 --> 01:05:21,200
and was like, well, I'm gonna 
strip away as much power from 

1293
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:23,000
this King as possible before. 
Yeah. 

1294
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:26,200
He'll be able to hold on to it 
even after he comes of age and 

1295
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:29,800
Thankfully for the king and when
was gone by the not dead and he 

1296
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:34,000
was still affecting things. 
But his grip on the throne 

1297
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:37,400
lesson, this is significantly 
when he came of age or little 

1298
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:40,400
before that, I suppose. 
So, yeah, a gun was particularly

1299
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:43,200
unhappy with his kingsguard 
marked and Waters being Lord, 

1300
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:46,700
Commander presided over his 
mother's death, he didn't like 

1301
01:05:46,700 --> 01:05:49,600
Mervin flowers. 
He didn't like sir, Armory peak.

1302
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:53,700
Of course the the obvious 
influence of Unwin is 

1303
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:57,600
overwhelming here. 
Picture, how Alison had Cole at 

1304
01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:01,200
her side and how he helped her 
and force her will, when she 

1305
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:05,900
would, when two people Clash 
about a decision, she would come

1306
01:06:05,900 --> 01:06:09,100
out ahead a lot of times because
criston Cole standing right 

1307
01:06:09,100 --> 01:06:12,000
there and they know that. 
If she doesn't get her way 

1308
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,900
Christy Coleman, I do something 
about it, right? 

1309
01:06:15,500 --> 01:06:19,000
Cersei with Robert strong at her
side, very similar, they're not 

1310
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:22,200
even going to test her because 
of this violent man. 

1311
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:26,100
At her side that has that 
reputation that will step up and

1312
01:06:26,100 --> 01:06:29,400
even Even I can't control him. 
Allison doesn't say that but 

1313
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:31,400
that's implied, right? 
Hmm. 

1314
01:06:32,100 --> 01:06:34,400
So think about that. 
Think about Unwin Peak who is 

1315
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:37,400
not subtle? 
Who is not, oh, I don't know 

1316
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:38,900
what he'll do. 
No, he'll just flat out. 

1317
01:06:38,900 --> 01:06:41,300
Say, get out of my way, or my 
men will kill you. 

1318
01:06:41,300 --> 01:06:43,200
That's more like his style. 
I think. 

1319
01:06:44,100 --> 01:06:46,500
So, that's how Unwin I really 
think that's how he carried 

1320
01:06:46,500 --> 01:06:47,400
himself around. 
The right. 

1321
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:50,100
Keeps Us walking around with his
muscle at his side in the form 

1322
01:06:50,100 --> 01:06:51,900
of kingsguard nights. 
Loyal to him. 

1323
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:56,000
Not the royal family though. 
Of course, one of his aims was 

1324
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:57,600
to become Part of the royal 
family. 

1325
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:00,900
So, those two things would have 
become Blurred Lines over time 

1326
01:07:00,900 --> 01:07:02,700
if you'd got, and that meant 
murder. 

1327
01:07:03,100 --> 01:07:05,400
Because the young king already 
had a queen though, they were 

1328
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,600
too young to produce children 
and Lord anwen. 

1329
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:09,800
Contended that they never would 
Queens. 

1330
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:12,700
Your hair went out the window 
and fell to her death pushed 

1331
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:16,900
jumped, we don't know. 
But quote Lord Peak could not 

1332
01:07:16,900 --> 01:07:18,400
have pushed. 
The child from the window 

1333
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:22,200
himself to be sure as he was 
elsewhere in the city when she 

1334
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:25,800
died. 
But the King's Guard posted the 

1335
01:07:25,808 --> 01:07:28,400
Queen's dog. 
Or that night was Mervyn 

1336
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:30,800
flowers. 
His bastard brother. 

1337
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,500
Could he have been the hands 
cat's paw? 

1338
01:07:33,700 --> 01:07:37,100
It is more than possible 
particularly in light of later 

1339
01:07:37,100 --> 01:07:40,300
events. 
So yeah, refer to that earlier 

1340
01:07:40,300 --> 01:07:43,400
quote, the source is in Fire and
Blood say they don't stay admit 

1341
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:44,900
Merton flowers. 
It seemed like a good man but 

1342
01:07:44,900 --> 01:07:47,800
they don't think he's capable 
child murder. 

1343
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:51,500
But again, I don't agree with 
that at all second. 

1344
01:07:51,500 --> 01:07:54,600
Secondarily, it's easy to get a 
murderer past him, right via the

1345
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:59,100
front door with on winds. 
And or well this is the red keep

1346
01:07:59,100 --> 01:08:01,600
were talking about with all the 
secret tunnels around. 

1347
01:08:01,700 --> 01:08:03,900
It's not a place. 
You should just go blame the guy

1348
01:08:03,900 --> 01:08:06,500
at the door. 
Yeah like that's not exactly 

1349
01:08:06,500 --> 01:08:09,000
fair. 
I am highly suspicious of 

1350
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:11,000
course. 
But all the reasons is the red 

1351
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:11,800
keep were talking. 
Yeah. 

1352
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:14,200
Me he had the motivation. 
Yeah, he did have the 

1353
01:08:14,207 --> 01:08:15,500
motivation, he had. 
Yeah. 

1354
01:08:15,500 --> 01:08:19,100
So it's I do blame him. 
But if this wasn't the red keep 

1355
01:08:19,100 --> 01:08:21,899
we could be like 100% with with 
the red gets, given us, the red.

1356
01:08:21,899 --> 01:08:25,700
Keep maybe we should say 99% He 
another thing you do is you cut 

1357
01:08:25,700 --> 01:08:28,600
off the ear of a young Squire 
just for protecting his Lord. 

1358
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:30,200
Even all he did was draw his 
sword. 

1359
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:32,399
He didn't swing at anybody, 
didn't cut anybody to hurt 

1360
01:08:32,399 --> 01:08:35,300
anybody. 
But Mervyn flowers had I'm you 

1361
01:08:35,300 --> 01:08:37,100
know I'm gonna teach him a 
lesson that you shouldn't bear 

1362
01:08:37,100 --> 01:08:40,700
steel against the kingsguard 
this was during the, you know, a

1363
01:08:40,700 --> 01:08:44,399
coup so like wow. 
So when his role the secret 

1364
01:08:44,399 --> 01:08:47,500
Siege and the possible murder of
Jerry and the plot to murder 

1365
01:08:47,500 --> 01:08:51,000
Lara Gaara, viserys, his wife 
came to light his own Lord 

1366
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:54,100
commander and fellow bastard. 
Marston Waters came to confront 

1367
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:57,300
Front him and arrest him, which 
is kind of like Marston being 

1368
01:08:57,300 --> 01:09:00,399
like, yeah, I was always the 
with the good guys, hmm. 

1369
01:09:01,100 --> 01:09:03,600
Well, examine him another day, 
but quite likely, he just 

1370
01:09:03,899 --> 01:09:06,200
flipped, because he saw which 
way the tide was turning his 

1371
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:09,600
like, well, I'm gonna so you bad
guy Mervin, you know, and 

1372
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,600
Mervyn's probably like what you 
and I were in This Together, 

1373
01:09:13,100 --> 01:09:15,000
Mervin made it looked like he 
was going to surrender. 

1374
01:09:15,100 --> 01:09:18,200
Then he grabbed his dagger and 
stabbed Waters in the belly and 

1375
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:20,800
then tried to get away, killing 
a few more Innocents in the 

1376
01:09:21,300 --> 01:09:23,700
process, like some stable hands 
and things like that. 

1377
01:09:23,899 --> 01:09:26,899
He Caught though and overwhelmed
and beaten to death while still 

1378
01:09:26,899 --> 01:09:29,500
wearing his white cloak. 
He probably would have run for 

1379
01:09:29,500 --> 01:09:32,300
Star Pike. 
I guess probably hoping Unwin 

1380
01:09:32,300 --> 01:09:35,100
would give him shelter, although
I'm going to probably have had 

1381
01:09:35,100 --> 01:09:37,700
to ship him off to essos to get 
him away. 

1382
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:40,600
Kind of like the that one 
Baratheon, brother. 

1383
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,600
And that is the end of Mervin 
flowers. 

1384
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:49,200
The man who was also overwhelmed
in beaten but not to death is 

1385
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:52,399
our next subject. 
The character that's very well 

1386
01:09:52,399 --> 01:09:55,000
covered as his more about him 
than a lot of the others but 

1387
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:56,300
we've already sort of well 
covered him. 

1388
01:09:56,300 --> 01:09:58,300
So we're not going to rehash too
much but we want to bring him 

1389
01:09:58,300 --> 01:10:01,400
into the fold here. 
He absolutely belongs, he's not 

1390
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:04,500
in the kingsguard but in our 
head Canon, we think he will be 

1391
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:07,600
when it's all said and done. 
This is Glendon flowers. 

1392
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:12,000
We cover them very thoroughly in
the mitternight episodes but he 

1393
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,700
deserves a little extra Focus 
here for a couple minutes again.

1394
01:10:14,700 --> 01:10:17,600
He believes his father Fireball,
AKA Quentin ball. 

1395
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:20,400
This is not super likely but it 
is possible. 

1396
01:10:20,700 --> 01:10:24,000
His mother was named Penny 
Jenny, but she died when he and 

1397
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:27,200
his sister were young, his 
sister intern slept with a 

1398
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:30,700
knight named Ser Morgan. 
Dunstable the first man she ever

1399
01:10:30,700 --> 01:10:32,900
slept with an exchange for 
knighting, young Glenda. 

1400
01:10:32,900 --> 01:10:37,600
Not the most romantic story ever
for a knighting, but it is. 

1401
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:42,300
In a sense, his sister did 
something, very big gift to give

1402
01:10:42,300 --> 01:10:46,700
for him, you know, and I kind of
wonder what Her, you know, just 

1403
01:10:46,700 --> 01:10:49,500
Glendon. 
He would think he would care for

1404
01:10:49,500 --> 01:10:52,300
her if she still around, but we 
don't really know where she is 

1405
01:10:52,300 --> 01:10:54,900
these days. 
He's still very young and dunk 

1406
01:10:54,900 --> 01:10:56,400
and egg stories. 
Hopefully we get more of them 

1407
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:59,400
and he's traveling with them as 
of the end of the mystery night.

1408
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:01,700
So it's quite possible. 
He's with them for a while. 

1409
01:11:01,700 --> 01:11:04,600
Maybe his sister makes an 
appearance, we get her name for 

1410
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:07,400
something but that's kind of why
we see him. 

1411
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:11,100
Maybe join the kingsguard one 
day because his father was 

1412
01:11:11,100 --> 01:11:13,400
promised to spot in the 
kingsguard the guy he thinks 

1413
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:15,500
it's his father the guy, he 
claims his father anyway. 

1414
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:19,500
And he's getting close with the 
future, Lord, commander of the 

1415
01:11:19,500 --> 01:11:22,900
Future King. 
So it's easy to see how he could

1416
01:11:22,900 --> 01:11:24,800
end up in eggs kingsguard, 
right? 

1417
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:26,600
Like. 
Yeah, it's a natural fit. 

1418
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:28,000
A lot of time has to pass 
before. 

1419
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:29,900
That could happen. 
Maybe something will tragic will

1420
01:11:29,900 --> 01:11:33,500
happen to Glenn and before but 
could be real satisfying, it 

1421
01:11:33,500 --> 01:11:36,500
would be real satisfying so you 
can see why we're hopeful for 

1422
01:11:36,500 --> 01:11:37,300
that. 
We're optimistic. 

1423
01:11:37,300 --> 01:11:41,300
This is how it goes for Glendon.
He says I am Glendon ball. 

1424
01:11:41,300 --> 01:11:44,900
Not Glendon flowers. 
He gets angry, they mock him. 

1425
01:11:45,300 --> 01:11:47,300
We saw Saw that bastard chip on 
his shoulder. 

1426
01:11:47,300 --> 01:11:51,900
Drove him the maester says like 
so many bastards, quick to anger

1427
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:55,200
and quick to here in Seoul where
there wasn't one that that does 

1428
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:58,700
apply to Clinton flowers. 
It absolutely does apply to him 

1429
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:04,000
but it he's one of these guys 
that You can say that you feel 

1430
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:07,100
angry about the way you're 
treated and you take that energy

1431
01:12:07,100 --> 01:12:10,200
and you turn it into something 
positive, some people sit there 

1432
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:13,800
and they see and it breaks them 
the weight of that. 

1433
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:18,900
Prejudice of that hate, that 
unfair treatment, it breaks 

1434
01:12:18,900 --> 01:12:21,200
them, and I don't blame them, 
it's a huge burden. 

1435
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:24,800
What who am I to judge that? 
I don't face that burden, but 

1436
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:29,900
some people in this is something
that a lot of us respect For 

1437
01:12:29,900 --> 01:12:33,800
good reason they take that 
prejudice and they channel the 

1438
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:36,500
anger, they feel over it into 
something productive. 

1439
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:40,400
It's in a lyric from A Rage 
Against the Machine song channel

1440
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:42,400
that hate to productive. 
That's what he did. 

1441
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:46,000
He took the hatred and he made 
himself a great warrior he could

1442
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:49,100
see him channeling it during the
tournament. 

1443
01:12:49,100 --> 01:12:52,600
Like I'm going to show them what
I'm made of he's so determined 

1444
01:12:53,100 --> 01:12:54,900
kick. 
Get that kind of determination 

1445
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:58,900
from other places like you the 
privileged upbringing doesn't 

1446
01:12:58,900 --> 01:13:00,700
bring the ice. 
You might still have a high 

1447
01:13:00,700 --> 01:13:03,500
level of motivation after 
privileged upright, but it's not

1448
01:13:03,500 --> 01:13:05,700
going to be because of this. 
It's not going to be that 

1449
01:13:05,700 --> 01:13:09,700
burning desire to prove. 
You're more than people say you 

1450
01:13:09,700 --> 01:13:11,400
are. 
Because if you're born, it's 

1451
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:14,900
IRL, you're already up there, 
right? 

1452
01:13:14,900 --> 01:13:18,000
So, anyway, so this lights are 
intended often. 

1453
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:20,900
Yes, sometimes, lights aren't 
intended, and he sees them, but 

1454
01:13:20,900 --> 01:13:24,000
sometimes they're absolutely 
intended like being called but 

1455
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:27,000
night of the pussy willows. 
Everyone laughed at him, that 

1456
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:28,400
was, of course, there was on 
purpose. 

1457
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:31,300
They were trying to mock The 
flowers. 

1458
01:13:31,300 --> 01:13:34,700
I feel the most sorry for is 
definitely fali a flowers, but 

1459
01:13:34,700 --> 01:13:37,100
the one I like the most might be
Glick. 

1460
01:13:37,100 --> 01:13:40,000
Sir Glendon, excuse me. 
He is knighted whether or not 

1461
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:42,400
he's a ball or not. 
He's definitely knighted. 

1462
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:47,200
So, may he joined eggs 
kingsguard OG R RM. 

1463
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:49,400
Even though that may mean he 
dies, summerhall or something 

1464
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:51,800
else like that, but hey, all men
must die. 

1465
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:54,900
Last we saw he was headed north 
with Duncan egg. 

1466
01:13:55,300 --> 01:13:57,500
We're very confident. 
They'll get to Winterfell. 

1467
01:13:58,100 --> 01:14:01,500
Not, so sure, they'll go all All
the way to the wall, they might,

1468
01:14:01,500 --> 01:14:05,400
and we will today in this 
episode after our break here. 

1469
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:08,800
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1470
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1475
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1478
01:14:27,100 --> 01:14:29,500
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kind of imagine it because it's 

1479
01:14:29,508 --> 01:14:31,700
so gradual. 
But now I'm far enough and I can

1480
01:14:31,700 --> 01:14:34,600
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1481
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:36,400
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1499
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1500
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1501
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Also, want to remind you all of 
the awesome episode Searcher. 

1502
01:15:39,500 --> 01:15:42,000
That is Shay has continued to 
fine-tune over the years. 

1503
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:44,600
We can pretty much Call It 
episode search for 2.0 now. 

1504
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:48,500
I guess it's far enough along 
from its initial iteration that 

1505
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:53,200
I'd say, it's worthy of a new 
title it's not 1.1 or 1.4 

1506
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:55,400
street. 
It's still got. 

1507
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:58,900
A lot of changes will be like 
10.0 before I'm happy with it 

1508
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:04,800
but yes I am working on it and 
trying to make it even better. 

1509
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:08,800
But for now if you are Adrian, 
you can get access to it and 

1510
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:11,200
have our old database available 
to you which could be very 

1511
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:12,600
useful. 
Especially if you're like, I 

1512
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:17,400
really want to find that one 
episode that had Mary and Clint 

1513
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:20,100
from learn hands and you can't 
find it easily, but you can just

1514
01:16:20,100 --> 01:16:22,200
go to that and just look through
guests and that out of, there's 

1515
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:23,100
a lot of ways, it could be 
useful. 

1516
01:16:23,100 --> 01:16:24,800
See, I absolutely. 
Like one thing is, if we're 

1517
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:27,300
having about to have a guest on 
especially their return guest 

1518
01:16:27,300 --> 01:16:28,800
would be like, well, I missed 
the first time. 

1519
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:30,400
Yeah, Kavita. 
For example. 

1520
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:31,800
Yeah, you're going to check that
out. 

1521
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:34,300
Yeah, the episode she was on was
a preview episode for House of 

1522
01:16:34,308 --> 01:16:35,900
the Dragon. 
So a lot of y'all might not a 

1523
01:16:35,900 --> 01:16:39,500
cop back because it was the 
preview episodes are only in the

1524
01:16:39,500 --> 01:16:41,900
Limelight for about 48 hours 
before the next house. 

1525
01:16:41,900 --> 01:16:44,500
The Dragon episode drops and 
then it's kind of a lot of it's 

1526
01:16:44,500 --> 01:16:47,200
a little bit past the point of 
off a shelf life already. 

1527
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:51,700
So yeah, that's a great point. 
If you are a subscriber to us 

1528
01:16:51,700 --> 01:16:55,400
outside of Patron, if you send a
donation or if you are a Spotify

1529
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:58,700
subscriber email us and we will 
send you the link to the episode

1530
01:16:58,700 --> 01:17:01,300
Searcher every week. 
That goes by, it gets to be a 

1531
01:17:01,308 --> 01:17:03,200
little bit harder to search our 
back catalogue. 

1532
01:17:03,500 --> 01:17:06,500
We're just trying to do 
something about that because The

1533
01:17:06,500 --> 01:17:10,100
different platforms Spotify, 
YouTube, and iTunes, and all the

1534
01:17:10,100 --> 01:17:13,200
none of them have a great 
solution for this or or any 

1535
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:18,300
solution for this any solution 
playlist, which is the closest 

1536
01:17:18,300 --> 01:17:21,500
thing. 
But yeah, even that is yeah. 

1537
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:24,000
Woefully incomplete. 
Ha ha ha. 

1538
01:17:24,700 --> 01:17:29,600
Next up, we have Wallflowers 
counting flowers on the wall 

1539
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:32,800
that don't bother me at all. 
That's The Statler Brothers. 

1540
01:17:33,100 --> 01:17:35,900
So you'd thought I'd use quick 
before we go on. 

1541
01:17:36,300 --> 01:17:38,900
Someone had a good man, a good 
comment about the idea of good 

1542
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:42,400
blend. 
And Paul thighs at summer haul, 

1543
01:17:42,700 --> 01:17:46,900
he died in a ball of fire. 
Oh my God, from Jackie green 

1544
01:17:46,900 --> 01:17:48,600
fire, but still. 
Yeah, hurry fire. 

1545
01:17:48,700 --> 01:17:51,700
But I just had to point that out
before I moved on Wallflowers, 

1546
01:17:51,700 --> 01:17:55,100
which I really appreciated as 
he's referring to Wallflowers 

1547
01:17:55,100 --> 01:17:57,300
because we are going to talk 
about Wally's flowers 

1548
01:17:57,300 --> 01:17:58,600
eventually. 
That's right. 

1549
01:17:59,900 --> 01:18:02,000
You thought I'd use a song by 
the actual band, The 

1550
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:05,000
Wallflowers, but no counting 
flowers on the wall. 

1551
01:18:05,100 --> 01:18:07,100
We clearly will. 
We could have called these black

1552
01:18:07,100 --> 01:18:09,900
flowers to, you know, cuz yeah 
they're nice. 

1553
01:18:09,900 --> 01:18:12,200
Watch black Brothers but I 
couldn't resist the chance to 

1554
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:15,500
call them off course, especially
given the whole blue rose 

1555
01:18:15,500 --> 01:18:18,600
growing in the wall imagery. 
That's a snow, not a flowers but

1556
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:23,500
it's a flower in the ice. 
I so still, I say still it. 

1557
01:18:23,500 --> 01:18:26,100
Fits, especially since Sean's 
know himself is also on the 

1558
01:18:26,100 --> 01:18:28,400
wall. 
He is the blue flower growing in

1559
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:32,200
the wall in command of bastards 
from all regions, which probably

1560
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:34,400
matters to them. 
Like it did for Daemon 

1561
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:37,200
blackfyre. 
There is a Certain way in which 

1562
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:39,500
bastards are uniquely treated in
the Seven Kingdoms. 

1563
01:18:39,500 --> 01:18:43,200
After all Nina writes the Nights
Watch also provides a more open 

1564
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:46,500
in there for ostensibly, easier 
opportunity for bastards to make

1565
01:18:46,500 --> 01:18:48,700
notable professional careers for
themselves. 

1566
01:18:48,900 --> 01:18:51,900
That can only be seven nights of
the kingsguard in a given time 

1567
01:18:52,300 --> 01:18:54,700
and they're supposed to be the 
seven best nights in the entire 

1568
01:18:54,700 --> 01:18:56,600
Kingdom. 
The maesters will only pass 

1569
01:18:56,600 --> 01:19:00,100
those who show aptitude at 
various subjects knowledge, and 

1570
01:19:00,100 --> 01:19:02,300
the face internal organization 
and opportunities for 

1571
01:19:02,300 --> 01:19:04,800
advancement, especially after 
the end of the faith militant 

1572
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:07,600
are far from Clear. 
But the wall accepts literally 

1573
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:11,400
anyone and has many different 
positions Rangers for the more 

1574
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:14,600
Marshall builders for the 
non-martial physically, strong 

1575
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:16,900
and stewards for those who may 
have more intellectual 

1576
01:19:16,900 --> 01:19:20,200
administrative and 
organizational abilities flowers

1577
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:23,400
who shows up on the wall can 
still make something of himself 

1578
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:26,300
Rising by ability and the 
support of his brothers become a

1579
01:19:26,300 --> 01:19:28,700
high-ranking officer or even 
Lord Commander. 

1580
01:19:29,300 --> 01:19:31,000
Yeah, we mentioned this with 
Daemon blackfyre, but he was a 

1581
01:19:31,008 --> 01:19:33,100
living legend and a lot of those
he inspired. 

1582
01:19:33,100 --> 01:19:35,700
Probably did so into distance, 
may be needing him. 

1583
01:19:36,100 --> 01:19:39,600
Flea once or twice if they were 
lucky but the Nights Watch is 

1584
01:19:40,100 --> 01:19:45,200
despite all the larger sets of 
opportunities, the depth of type

1585
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:47,400
of an organization and different
skill sets required. 

1586
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:49,500
It is a smaller more intimate 
organization. 

1587
01:19:50,100 --> 01:19:52,400
This would still apply, even 
though there's all these 

1588
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:55,200
different Castles different 
people around, like, John hasn't

1589
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:58,000
met all the people from The 
Shadow Tower even though he's 

1590
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,900
their lord Commander. 
But still, they know who he is. 

1591
01:20:00,900 --> 01:20:04,300
They know, based on his name, 
that he's a bastard from the 

1592
01:20:04,300 --> 01:20:06,600
north and any other Bass He's 
over there. 

1593
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:10,000
Might think all right, cool. 
You know, that's one of ours, 

1594
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:13,200
getting getting that top spot. 
You know, also writes, I bet 

1595
01:20:13,300 --> 01:20:15,600
there might have been a number 
of flowers, the wall after the 

1596
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:18,000
first, and maybe also third. 
Blackfyre Rebellion is because 

1597
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,800
of the support as a Daemon 
blackfyre who survived and bent,

1598
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:23,200
the knee would have a lot of 
them been sent to the wall. 

1599
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:26,100
And some of them couldn't have 
been ransomed by their family 

1600
01:20:26,100 --> 01:20:31,300
members because they were broke 
afterwards or the ransom had 

1601
01:20:31,300 --> 01:20:34,600
been set really high in some 
cases, it's just get them away 

1602
01:20:34,700 --> 01:20:37,100
to maybe in 10. 
To get them to sense of wall, 

1603
01:20:37,100 --> 01:20:39,300
you know, I'll put a really high
Ransom on this and maybe they'll

1604
01:20:39,300 --> 01:20:41,800
just not be able to afford it 
and that'll get this guy to the 

1605
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:48,200
wall which is where I want him. 
But still that said, John was 

1606
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:51,500
mocked for being a bastard on 
the wall right away. 

1607
01:20:51,700 --> 01:20:54,600
Even though it's a place where 
your past and birth aren't 

1608
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:57,300
supposed to matter. 
Clearly does even in the very, 

1609
01:20:57,300 --> 01:21:02,900
very first scene we see waymar 
Royce, get a job leading that he

1610
01:21:02,900 --> 01:21:06,000
didn't deserve because of his 
family, right? 

1611
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:08,600
And it wasn't even asked for 
more matches. 

1612
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:11,600
Felt like he kind of had to 
because he wanted to make sure 

1613
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:13,000
we kept. 
He kept coming support from 

1614
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:15,500
these houses. 
Well if I offend them, then they

1615
01:21:15,500 --> 01:21:20,500
don't ship us, more men and more
swords and coins or whatever. 

1616
01:21:20,500 --> 01:21:23,200
I'll just they need everything 
food, whatever, they're going to

1617
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:27,400
send, they need it. 
So they don't push back, maybe 

1618
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:30,000
against the treatment of 
bastards or anyone on the wall 

1619
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:34,500
because they need the support of
these Noble houses in ways that 

1620
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:37,900
they don't like to admit your 
past isn't supposed to matter. 

1621
01:21:38,300 --> 01:21:41,400
But it does, that's a Target. 
Not a goal. 

1622
01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:44,900
It's not the reality, right? 
It's Finding its marketing. 

1623
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:49,000
But to be fair, it does matter 
Less on the wall but it still 

1624
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:52,200
does matter and alliser Thorne. 
Maybe is a severe example 

1625
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:55,500
because he really hated John in 
particular, not just bastards 

1626
01:21:55,500 --> 01:22:00,800
but I think that it's probably 
both Rusty, flowers is our next 

1627
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:03,700
bastard on the wall. 
Our first wall flower, like read

1628
01:22:03,700 --> 01:22:06,600
Robert flowers, Rusty, suggest 
another color, apart from 

1629
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:09,400
tonight's watch rather than 
black and he's the only 

1630
01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:11,300
character named Rusty in all the
books. 

1631
01:22:11,700 --> 01:22:14,200
No, Rusty's in Fire and Blood. 
No other Rusty's in The Song of 

1632
01:22:14,208 --> 01:22:16,300
Ice and Fire his house doesn't 
come up. 

1633
01:22:16,500 --> 01:22:19,000
There's no sigil or colors to 
help narrow down narrow down, 

1634
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:20,900
which is kind of the way of a 
nice watch. 

1635
01:22:20,900 --> 01:22:24,100
A nice watch. 
Does kind of appropriately 

1636
01:22:24,100 --> 01:22:28,800
obscure their their birth house.
And the Nights Watch is also 

1637
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:30,800
even less adorned than the 
kingsguard King's Guard. 

1638
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:33,200
Also supposed to get their 
family but we know they have 

1639
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:36,600
their pins that kind of denote 
what house they came from. 

1640
01:22:37,700 --> 01:22:40,700
And John trusts him. 
That alone says a lot. 

1641
01:22:41,700 --> 01:22:45,000
Why does John trust him? 
Well, it's because he hasn't 

1642
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:47,400
with him at least one time that 
it really mattered. 

1643
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:49,000
He can only have trusted men 
around him. 

1644
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:51,900
Well, we're have the code here 
in just a second, setting that 

1645
01:22:51,900 --> 01:22:54,400
up, it's not just what the John 
trusts him. 

1646
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:56,400
It's what he trusts him for 
specifically. 

1647
01:22:56,700 --> 01:23:00,000
The specific action, the John 
brings him in to help him with, 

1648
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:05,000
which is when John goes to 
confront Janos, slynt about his 

1649
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:07,400
refusal, Janice is refusal to 
follow orders. 

1650
01:23:07,500 --> 01:23:11,300
First in the matter of taking 
over Castle greyguard, he brings

1651
01:23:11,300 --> 01:23:16,300
back up big men. 
He trusts quote, John found 

1652
01:23:16,300 --> 01:23:20,000
slint breaking his fast in the 
common room Ser alliser Thorne 

1653
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:22,600
was with him and several of 
their cronies. 

1654
01:23:22,900 --> 01:23:24,700
They were laughing about 
something. 

1655
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:29,200
When John came down, the steps 
with iron MN and dollar a said 

1656
01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:35,800
and behind them, Molly horse, 
redjac crab, Rusty flowers and 

1657
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:39,300
Owen the oath. 
Three finger, hob was ladling 

1658
01:23:39,300 --> 01:23:43,300
out porridge from his Kettle 
queen's men, king's men and 

1659
01:23:43,300 --> 01:23:46,000
black Brothers sat at their 
Separate Tables. 

1660
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:50,000
Some bent over bowls of porridge
others filling, their bellies 

1661
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:54,500
with fried bread and bacon, John
saw, pip and grenn at one table.

1662
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:58,300
Bowen Marsh. 
At another, the air smelled of 

1663
01:23:58,300 --> 01:24:02,200
smoke and grease and the clatter
of knives and spoons, echoed off

1664
01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:06,000
the vaulted ceiling. 
All the voices died at once. 

1665
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:10,800
Lord Janos John said, I will 
give you one last chance. 

1666
01:24:10,900 --> 01:24:13,700
Put down that spoon and get to 
the Stables. 

1667
01:24:13,900 --> 01:24:18,000
I have had your horse saddled 
and bridled it is a long hard 

1668
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:20,900
road to greyguard. 
Then you had best be on your way

1669
01:24:20,900 --> 01:24:22,500
boy. 
Slint laughed. 

1670
01:24:22,500 --> 01:24:24,700
Dribbling Pours Down his chest. 
Grey guards. 

1671
01:24:24,700 --> 01:24:25,900
A good place for the likes of 
you. 

1672
01:24:25,900 --> 01:24:29,300
I'm thinking well away from 
decent Godly folk, the mark of 

1673
01:24:29,300 --> 01:24:33,100
the beast is on you, bastard. 
You're refusing to obey my 

1674
01:24:33,100 --> 01:24:34,700
order. 
You can Your order up your 

1675
01:24:34,700 --> 01:24:37,300
bastard. 
Czar's said, slint is jowls 

1676
01:24:37,300 --> 01:24:39,200
quivering man. 
You really just fit the 

1677
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:44,800
character Janos slynt so well, 
these you just wear my jowls 

1678
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:46,400
quivering. 
When I say yeah, I looked over 

1679
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:47,800
huh. 
Quivering away? 

1680
01:24:48,700 --> 01:24:51,900
What a great moment though, that
is such a powerful scene. 

1681
01:24:51,900 --> 01:24:53,900
You know, what happens next to 
you know where it goes. 

1682
01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:56,500
It involves Flint losing his 
head with some great dialogue 

1683
01:24:56,500 --> 01:24:59,900
and O in the of getting his 
boots with some less great 

1684
01:24:59,900 --> 01:25:01,200
dialogue. 
But very entertaining. 

1685
01:25:01,700 --> 01:25:06,200
Notice, how John's bastardy and 
Jigeon is where slint aims his 

1686
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:10,400
verbal blows his Prejudice. 
He expects other people to agree

1687
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:14,900
with him, easy to miss how that 
insult bastard. 

1688
01:25:15,100 --> 01:25:19,400
Also lands on Rusty flowers. 
It wasn't directed at him but he

1689
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:22,100
uses bastards and insult when 
Rusty flowers. 

1690
01:25:22,100 --> 01:25:24,200
Also bastard is standing right 
there yet. 

1691
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:26,600
No one else in Jon's crew of 
eight is so it would be 

1692
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:28,500
singularly pointed at him and 
John. 

1693
01:25:29,100 --> 01:25:31,300
So John and Rusty have something
important in common. 

1694
01:25:32,100 --> 01:25:37,500
I think that matters, I mean, 
John amongst finding people, he 

1695
01:25:37,500 --> 01:25:41,100
can trust, I'll on the wall the 
day to end the day out. 

1696
01:25:41,100 --> 01:25:45,000
The people he'd learn that he 
can count on these to have a 

1697
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:48,500
starting point. 
Something, a basis is not the 

1698
01:25:48,500 --> 01:25:50,600
best thing to have in common 
because it's a thing. 

1699
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:52,700
You get treated negatively over.
But that's a bonding thing. 

1700
01:25:52,700 --> 01:25:54,500
You can Bond over. 
Hey, yeah. 

1701
01:25:54,500 --> 01:25:56,200
We were both treated the same 
way by our family. 

1702
01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:58,300
Yeah, you know how it is. 
This is something that only they

1703
01:25:58,300 --> 01:26:00,700
would know like a lot of other 
people on the wall would not 

1704
01:26:00,700 --> 01:26:03,400
have had that experience. 
Very unique sort of. 

1705
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:05,800
Yeah, some of them were lower 
born than them. 

1706
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:08,000
So they have their own 
upbringing things that were 

1707
01:26:08,100 --> 01:26:11,000
negative for them or challenges,
they had to face, but this thing

1708
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:14,500
unique about being raised in a 
noble household while being 

1709
01:26:14,500 --> 01:26:17,500
excluded from that, you're so 
close to it yet. 

1710
01:26:17,500 --> 01:26:19,500
So far from it. 
There's also benefits, of 

1711
01:26:19,500 --> 01:26:24,000
course, as what's-his-face the 
armorer guy. 

1712
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:26,300
What's his name? 
Donald MacDonald? 

1713
01:26:26,300 --> 01:26:28,200
No, ya don't know. 
That's right now is like, who 

1714
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:31,700
are you talking about? 
He taught taught John about. 

1715
01:26:31,900 --> 01:26:35,100
His own prisons like look, you 
got trained at a castle and 

1716
01:26:35,100 --> 01:26:36,800
Rusty may have as well. 
So that's just something kind of

1717
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:41,500
unique they have in common given
that Rusty was brought in as 

1718
01:26:41,500 --> 01:26:44,400
muscle though, that also 
implies, he's a big mrs. 

1719
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:46,900
He's a big dude brought in as 
muscle. 

1720
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:50,700
He maybe got less mocked for 
being a bachelor to his face 

1721
01:26:50,700 --> 01:26:55,500
than John people do. 
When you're a big man, you don't

1722
01:26:55,500 --> 01:26:58,600
get mocked your fear face as 
much maybe behind his back. 

1723
01:26:58,600 --> 01:26:59,200
Sure. 
Who knows. 

1724
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:01,700
But, you know, maybe he was 
mocking me. 

1725
01:27:01,900 --> 01:27:04,100
As a boy before he was large, 
family might have mistreated him

1726
01:27:04,100 --> 01:27:06,300
when he was 5 years old. 
You may have been large 45 but 

1727
01:27:06,300 --> 01:27:07,800
still small. 
Yes. 

1728
01:27:08,500 --> 01:27:11,200
Maybe he committed a crime. 
May be joined on his own. 

1729
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:13,200
We have no idea, maybe he was 
coerced into joining. 

1730
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:15,400
Like Sam will even know how old 
he is. 

1731
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:18,100
So a lot of guesses here, he 
might have been, he may have 

1732
01:27:18,100 --> 01:27:19,400
need to suggest, maybe it's even
possible. 

1733
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:22,600
He joined the Nights Watch as 
long ago, as the Robert's 

1734
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:25,100
Rebellion. 
I tend to feel like John's men 

1735
01:27:25,100 --> 01:27:28,300
are more of hit close to his age
but they don't all have to be 

1736
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:33,300
Next is Gennifer flowers like 
Rusty. 

1737
01:27:33,300 --> 01:27:36,100
We have no real idea which house
he's a bastard of other than the

1738
01:27:36,100 --> 01:27:38,100
obvious narrowing down to the 
reach. 

1739
01:27:38,700 --> 01:27:42,500
See just as Rusty was trusted by
John or is trusted by John 

1740
01:27:42,900 --> 01:27:46,000
benjin. 
Trusted j4 flowers think about 

1741
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:49,600
tight corn half ends. 
Ranging group was Gennifer 

1742
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:53,700
flowers was part of benjin's 
picked Squad ranging with him 

1743
01:27:53,700 --> 01:27:54,700
and six other. 
That's right. 

1744
01:27:54,700 --> 01:27:58,500
Benjin's group was seven, strong
him and author. 

1745
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:01,500
Seem to be the two that almost 
escaped. 

1746
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:03,700
J4 and author. 
Were the two bodies found near 

1747
01:28:03,700 --> 01:28:04,900
the wall. 
The ones that were brought into 

1748
01:28:04,900 --> 01:28:08,700
the wall that later Rose in the 
night and John saved, Lord 

1749
01:28:08,700 --> 01:28:12,900
Commander from author and its 
authors acts that appeared to 

1750
01:28:12,900 --> 01:28:16,400
have killed Jennifer. 
Since off Thor was a dormant 

1751
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:20,300
white and so is jafer that may 
explain his death author, IE 

1752
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:24,200
author died while they were 
escaping, maybe he was already 

1753
01:28:24,200 --> 01:28:27,300
wounded and then he died and 
then Rose in the night and slew 

1754
01:28:27,300 --> 01:28:30,800
his former companion. 
Which implies j4 was the last 

1755
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:35,200
survivor of benjin's party, 
unless of course author was not 

1756
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:38,600
dead when he slew j4 in which 
case, Jennifer was the one to 

1757
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:41,500
turn into a white first and 
that's why author axed him. 

1758
01:28:42,100 --> 01:28:44,300
But the evidence is stronger 
that Jennifer was the last 

1759
01:28:44,300 --> 01:28:48,900
survivor because there wasn't 
any other fit mortal wound on je

1760
01:28:48,900 --> 01:28:53,800
furt or just the big acts blow. 
So, what stopped him the second 

1761
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:58,300
time if he rose and attack his 
friends, It's also jaffer's hand

1762
01:28:58,500 --> 01:29:01,400
that travels all the way to 
King's Landing in a jar with Ser

1763
01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:04,100
alliser Thorne. 
But it rots before he can get an

1764
01:29:04,100 --> 01:29:06,400
audience with Tyrion. 
It turns out that's because 

1765
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:10,600
Tyrion was being petty, he was 
delaying sir Alistair and 

1766
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:12,700
definitely in part because he 
didn't know how he was going to 

1767
01:29:12,700 --> 01:29:16,500
handle, sir, Alistair and court 
with this hand. 

1768
01:29:16,500 --> 01:29:19,700
And like, what's he going to do?
If he takes it, seriously, it 

1769
01:29:19,700 --> 01:29:22,500
looks bad for him. 
If he takes it, not seriously. 

1770
01:29:22,500 --> 01:29:25,700
Looks he just didn't know how to
do it, but he also kind of liked

1771
01:29:25,700 --> 01:29:28,900
being Petty Dallas, because of 
what else or was to him, but 

1772
01:29:28,900 --> 01:29:30,300
that's still kind of a minor 
tragedy, isn't it? 

1773
01:29:30,300 --> 01:29:33,100
Because it was a chance for 
maybe the information about 

1774
01:29:33,100 --> 01:29:35,400
what's happening in the wall, to
get to somebody that would 

1775
01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:38,800
actually care Tyrion. 
But unfortunately, even though 

1776
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:42,600
was clever for jeor Mormont to 
send Alistair away from Castle 

1777
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:46,200
black because of his fight with 
John, he was the absolute wrong 

1778
01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:48,900
choice to treat with Tyrion 
given tyrion's. 

1779
01:29:48,900 --> 01:29:51,900
He already existing history, was
her house her to be fair to G, 

1780
01:29:51,900 --> 01:29:55,000
or he didn't know, Tyrion would 
be the one in charge. 

1781
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:57,800
No tearing. 
Would be acting hand at that 

1782
01:29:57,800 --> 01:30:00,800
time. 
So a lot which enhances the 

1783
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:04,500
tragedy of it all tragedy, often
is circumstantial. 

1784
01:30:05,900 --> 01:30:08,000
No, he's not on the wall, it's 
in his name. 

1785
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:10,800
So let's talk about Wally's 
flowers and he served in the 

1786
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:12,100
north. 
It's close to the wall. 

1787
01:30:12,900 --> 01:30:15,600
His mother was a high tower and 
his father was an arch faster. 

1788
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:18,300
So that's a little unusual. 
It's usually the father that is 

1789
01:30:18,300 --> 01:30:20,000
the source of the noble blood or
both. 

1790
01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:23,100
And that's kind of the reasons 
are kind of obvious, why? 

1791
01:30:23,100 --> 01:30:26,000
But I'll explain them anyway. 
Nobleman can get away with 

1792
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:29,700
sleeping around far easier than 
well, then anyone, right? 

1793
01:30:29,700 --> 01:30:32,900
It's not just noblewomen, it's 
anyone other than nobles with 

1794
01:30:32,900 --> 01:30:36,200
even more power, right? 
The proximity is at least easy 

1795
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:38,500
to understand to sit it on the 
heights, our right. 

1796
01:30:38,500 --> 01:30:41,300
That, that part B. 
I wonder what the Lord high 

1797
01:30:41,300 --> 01:30:43,400
tower of the fuck the time 
thought of the Scandal. 

1798
01:30:43,400 --> 01:30:46,400
This isn't just a matrix and 
archmaester but it will be his 

1799
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:48,400
daughter. 
I don't know. 

1800
01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:50,300
How does he handle this? 
No idea. 

1801
01:30:50,700 --> 01:30:53,000
The prevailing theory in the 
fandom is that the archmaester 

1802
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:54,600
father? 
Here is walgrave. 

1803
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:58,500
The senile one pay steals from 
their names are similar and the 

1804
01:30:58,500 --> 01:31:02,200
timeline does support it but 
it's a little bit of a stretch, 

1805
01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:04,800
but it's kind of because we have
nothing else. 

1806
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:06,100
Go on? 
Yeah. 

1807
01:31:06,100 --> 01:31:07,600
I think the name thinks I don't 
know. 

1808
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:10,600
I think it's kind of very 
pointed to me. 

1809
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:12,900
Yeah, we have this mystery of 
walgrave. 

1810
01:31:12,900 --> 01:31:15,200
Having had a lover, like, I 
don't know. 

1811
01:31:15,900 --> 01:31:20,400
Yeah, it fits. 
You have to be the case but like

1812
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:22,900
if we if we're never going to 
know one way or another, it's 

1813
01:31:22,900 --> 01:31:25,500
one of those were like if you 
want to believe that this is 

1814
01:31:25,500 --> 01:31:28,800
true because it gives it more 
depth to you or ads whatever 

1815
01:31:29,500 --> 01:31:31,700
answer we have. 
Yeah, I don't know that we're 

1816
01:31:31,700 --> 01:31:34,800
ever going to find out anything 
more about walgrave. 

1817
01:31:34,900 --> 01:31:36,900
And or about well, you know what
I mean? 

1818
01:31:36,900 --> 01:31:40,300
Like, might not know, we might 
not know, we might not know, but

1819
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:42,700
the Citadel Arc is kind of just 
starting. 

1820
01:31:42,900 --> 01:31:45,000
It may not be a very long one, 
but we are going to get more 

1821
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:47,600
Chapters at the Citadel from Sam
and who knows. 

1822
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:48,800
We'll see. 
It could happen. 

1823
01:31:49,900 --> 01:31:52,300
So this one is sort of different
to from are other examples, most

1824
01:31:52,300 --> 01:31:54,100
of our other examples because 
he's a maester nothing short of 

1825
01:31:54,100 --> 01:31:56,200
warrior. 
Nevertheless, at least one 

1826
01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:58,100
person blames him for a lot of 
islands. 

1827
01:31:58,300 --> 01:32:01,100
This is the greatest and or 
radius of the gray rats if we 

1828
01:32:01,100 --> 01:32:03,300
can believe lady, Barbara 
Dustin, which we shouldn't 

1829
01:32:03,300 --> 01:32:05,200
entirely though we should 
partially. 

1830
01:32:05,900 --> 01:32:10,200
It's a bit of a trick or a 
challenge to figure out exactly 

1831
01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:14,400
what's true and what isn't but 
problem is lady doesn't very 

1832
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:16,600
biased. 
Here she claims while he's LED 

1833
01:32:16,600 --> 01:32:19,200
Lord Rickard Stark into many of 
his bad decisions regarding the 

1834
01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:21,500
South. 
So this character is at the 

1835
01:32:21,500 --> 01:32:24,200
heart of many of the theories in
the Northern Conspiracy genre 

1836
01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:28,700
and barley because of Lady 
Dustin, this bothers me. 

1837
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:33,900
This is a recurring trait of the
nobility that they all hold 

1838
01:32:33,900 --> 01:32:37,500
themselves in such high esteem 
and above everyone else. 

1839
01:32:37,500 --> 01:32:41,400
That, if there's a problem, it 
must be a subordinate and not 

1840
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:44,500
the decision maker, not the 
person who actually has the 

1841
01:32:44,500 --> 01:32:48,700
final responsibility. 
She blames the Meister, not the 

1842
01:32:48,700 --> 01:32:52,900
Lord, who has the Final say 
com'on com'on. 

1843
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:57,100
This is that annoys me when the 
decision maker doesn't get the 

1844
01:32:57,100 --> 01:32:59,000
blame? 
It's like no. 

1845
01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:01,800
The advisor is like what the 
master gets the blame you. 

1846
01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:05,700
Come on lady Dustin. 
But if she's right or at least 

1847
01:33:05,700 --> 01:33:07,900
partially, right? 
Because maybe he lied, maybe he 

1848
01:33:07,900 --> 01:33:11,800
made up data, maybe he invented 
things to encourage, Lord, 

1849
01:33:11,900 --> 01:33:18,600
Rickard to make decisions that I
would agree is cause for censure

1850
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:21,400
cause for criticism. 
That is that does put a lot of 

1851
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:24,300
the burden on him, it's still 
put some of it on Rick hard for 

1852
01:33:24,300 --> 01:33:28,300
not like double-checking, or 
what have you, but you're 

1853
01:33:28,300 --> 01:33:29,600
supposed to be to trust your 
maester? 

1854
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:33,600
I kind of get I can kind of get 
maybe that going over his head. 

1855
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:38,800
But again, back to the lady, 
Dustin side, she's making him 

1856
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:41,900
sound like some kind of Meister 
Lee bittersteel, like, oh, he 

1857
01:33:41,900 --> 01:33:44,600
kept pouring poison into Damon's
ear until he rebelled. 

1858
01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:47,900
And yeah, it was The Whispers of
bittersteel that cause like, 

1859
01:33:47,900 --> 01:33:49,500
yeah, this is the maester 
bittersteel here. 

1860
01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:51,700
Here. 
So, I think she's exaggerating 

1861
01:33:51,700 --> 01:33:55,400
while he says roll, but maybe 
it's a very specific where her 

1862
01:33:55,400 --> 01:33:58,400
Grudge comes from. 
Remember, a big part of her 

1863
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:01,200
grudges that she didn't get to 
marry Brandon Stark, she may 

1864
01:34:01,200 --> 01:34:05,000
blame Wally Stark for that or 
while he's the master, Wally's 

1865
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:08,100
for that decision on Rickards 
part as well, say maybe Wally's 

1866
01:34:08,700 --> 01:34:13,100
is the one who said, no, Brandon
needs to marry Catelyn, need to 

1867
01:34:13,100 --> 01:34:17,400
marry Tully, given the what's 
happening out in the world, but 

1868
01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:19,500
maybe she just perceives their, 
maybe that is full head. 

1869
01:34:19,700 --> 01:34:22,100
And on her part maybe she just 
completely invented that in her 

1870
01:34:22,100 --> 01:34:25,500
head and while he's just the 
most heat, it was like, help the

1871
01:34:25,508 --> 01:34:28,100
Meister weigh the choices and 
her help. 

1872
01:34:28,100 --> 01:34:31,100
The Lord make the choices and 
she might be greatly 

1873
01:34:31,100 --> 01:34:32,700
exaggerating. 
What he did. 

1874
01:34:33,200 --> 01:34:37,000
Anyway, let's take a look at her
quote just to see where she's 

1875
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:38,800
out here. 
Let's just kind of revisit it 

1876
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:41,700
before he forged his chain 
Meister. 

1877
01:34:41,700 --> 01:34:45,200
Wally's had been known as 
Wally's flowers. 

1878
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:51,600
Flowers pill, Rivers snow. 
We give such names to baseborn 

1879
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:54,900
children to mark them for what 
they are. 

1880
01:34:55,200 --> 01:34:57,500
But they are always quick to 
shed them. 

1881
01:34:57,900 --> 01:35:02,500
Wally's flowers had a high tower
girl for a mother, an arch 

1882
01:35:02,500 --> 01:35:05,800
maester of the Citadel. 
For a father, it was rumored the

1883
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:09,200
gray, rats are not as chaste as 
they would have us believe. 

1884
01:35:09,300 --> 01:35:11,600
Old Town maesters are the worst 
of all. 

1885
01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:15,700
Once he forged his chain, his 
secret father and his friends 

1886
01:35:15,700 --> 01:35:19,500
wasted, no time dispatching him 
to Winterfell to fill. 

1887
01:35:19,700 --> 01:35:23,300
Lord Rickard ears with poisoned 
words as sweet as honey. 

1888
01:35:23,700 --> 01:35:25,500
The Tully marriage was his 
notion. 

1889
01:35:25,500 --> 01:35:28,700
Never doubt it. 
He she broke off as Roose Bolton

1890
01:35:28,700 --> 01:35:31,300
Rose to his feet. 
Pale eyes, shining in the 

1891
01:35:31,308 --> 01:35:33,200
Torchlight. 
George got us with the old 

1892
01:35:33,200 --> 01:35:35,500
Interruption trick again. 
Damn, you. 

1893
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:38,500
Is that one earlier? 
She implies he was in. 

1894
01:35:38,600 --> 01:35:41,100
He was there in that quote 
earlier she implies he was 

1895
01:35:41,100 --> 01:35:43,500
hiding his bastard. 
Heritage was he? 

1896
01:35:43,900 --> 01:35:46,500
I mean he joined the maesters 
because that's just how it 

1897
01:35:46,500 --> 01:35:48,500
works. 
Like she's implying, that he'd 

1898
01:35:48,500 --> 01:35:51,600
be joined the Mesa. 
Others just to hide his or that 

1899
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:54,300
was a major incentive for was 
like oh that's the way for me to

1900
01:35:54,300 --> 01:35:57,000
hide my heart. 
He's like she says that because 

1901
01:35:57,400 --> 01:36:01,200
she thinks it's a thing. 
You should hide her Prejudice is

1902
01:36:01,200 --> 01:36:04,200
just really overflowing here. 
She's both prejudice against 

1903
01:36:04,200 --> 01:36:06,400
this particular meister and 
Masters in general. 

1904
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:09,900
So it's kind of a double win, 
the bitterness the Prejudice. 

1905
01:36:09,900 --> 01:36:13,300
It's all on display here and but
she did some digging to find out

1906
01:36:13,308 --> 01:36:16,100
who is like how hard could that 
have been like I don't think it 

1907
01:36:16,100 --> 01:36:18,500
was really that big a secret 
lady Dustin. 

1908
01:36:21,200 --> 01:36:24,200
Right? 
That's so funny. 

1909
01:36:24,200 --> 01:36:26,800
They're definitely Rebecca think
of sometimes I've seen people 

1910
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:31,100
are like, have some conspiracy 
theory and I'm like, yeah, it's 

1911
01:36:31,100 --> 01:36:36,900
obvious. 
We all know like I can get the 

1912
01:36:36,900 --> 01:36:39,500
height H wanting to hide that 
because it's a height and I like

1913
01:36:39,500 --> 01:36:43,600
we're hiding that that our 
daughter had this kid tight. 

1914
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:48,400
Our not tied to our hide, but 
they're hiding. 

1915
01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:50,700
But they were, they were Want to
hide that their daughter had 

1916
01:36:50,700 --> 01:36:53,700
this kid. 
Not so much that this kid exists

1917
01:36:53,700 --> 01:36:56,300
because he is a maester, you 
know and it just flowers that it

1918
01:36:56,300 --> 01:36:58,700
doesn't again we faced this 
problem. 

1919
01:36:58,700 --> 01:37:01,700
The last name flowers isn't 
suggest Hightower it suggests 

1920
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:05,100
Hightower is one of hundreds of 
possibilities is at best. 

1921
01:37:05,100 --> 01:37:07,000
You know and look at that 
prejudice the way he phrases it.

1922
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:09,600
We give them those names to mark
them for what they are. 

1923
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:12,000
Like oof that language is 
roughly. 

1924
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:15,600
Dustin geez. 
Wow that is couch. 

1925
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:18,400
Yes. 
It's hard to take because of the

1926
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:20,800
extreme. 
The Prejudice here, it's hard to

1927
01:37:20,900 --> 01:37:23,900
take all of this at face value. 
Like she could be exaggerating. 

1928
01:37:23,900 --> 01:37:27,100
She could be putting the blame 
on the Meister when really Lord 

1929
01:37:27,100 --> 01:37:30,700
Rickard was all about it, his 
notion, you know, he's like 

1930
01:37:30,700 --> 01:37:33,300
actually I want I think what, 
about a thali marriage and why 

1931
01:37:33,300 --> 01:37:35,500
like flowers like actually 
that's not a bad idea sir. 

1932
01:37:35,500 --> 01:37:37,100
Probably a record was like that 
bar. 

1933
01:37:37,100 --> 01:37:39,300
Breed of Barberie is real 
bitter. 

1934
01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:41,100
Yeah, like her. 
Yeah. 

1935
01:37:42,500 --> 01:37:45,000
It's a very, very one-sided take
hear from her. 

1936
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:46,900
So we really have to take it 
with a grain of salt but that 

1937
01:37:46,900 --> 01:37:49,100
but we should not discarded. 
I'm not saying throw it away. 

1938
01:37:49,200 --> 01:37:51,600
Don't throw. 
Go away the take but give it the

1939
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:54,900
proper context. 
I do hope we learn more about 

1940
01:37:54,900 --> 01:37:58,400
this situation, either through 
the northern stuff, or through 

1941
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:00,100
the southern stuff. 
Both of them are possible. 

1942
01:38:00,100 --> 01:38:02,600
Because weighty Dustin could 
talk about this guy, some more 

1943
01:38:02,600 --> 01:38:06,000
for some reason or a different 
person could when did Wally's 

1944
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:09,000
flowers die, like maester Luwin,
I guess took over for him 

1945
01:38:09,300 --> 01:38:11,400
probably but there could have 
been another major in between 

1946
01:38:11,400 --> 01:38:13,400
but probably not, probably not 
luan's. 

1947
01:38:13,400 --> 01:38:15,800
Probably been there a while, Lou
and delivered catlins children. 

1948
01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:18,900
I mean, yeah he's probably been 
there for a while he's probably 

1949
01:38:18,900 --> 01:38:22,200
went Lewin. 
It probably went directly from 

1950
01:38:22,200 --> 01:38:24,700
while he's flowers to Lewis. 
So yeah, there may be more for 

1951
01:38:24,700 --> 01:38:26,500
us to hear about it. 
Maybe other someone else. 

1952
01:38:26,700 --> 01:38:29,600
Winterfell could have might have
a take on him. 

1953
01:38:29,700 --> 01:38:33,400
I'm not sure who most of 
Winterfell was killed by sea on 

1954
01:38:33,400 --> 01:38:35,900
and Ramsey, but not everyone 
will see. 

1955
01:38:35,900 --> 01:38:40,300
We'll see. 
Next up, we have flower flowers,

1956
01:38:40,400 --> 01:38:43,800
a pair of tyrells, who are, of 
course, already ripped by the 

1957
01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:48,400
flower, the famous Golden Rose. 
Apparently inappropriately like 

1958
01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:49,900
so many other characters here 
today. 

1959
01:38:50,100 --> 01:38:53,600
These two are set to join an 
organization and even matches 

1960
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:55,500
their house colors. 
How perfect? 

1961
01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:57,900
Which is kind of meta they get 
to sneak right in this like they

1962
01:38:57,900 --> 01:39:02,400
fit right in the tyrells taking 
over so many organizations, 

1963
01:39:02,400 --> 01:39:05,200
getting their fingers in so many
different places. 

1964
01:39:05,200 --> 01:39:06,900
Their thumbs on so many 
different scale. 

1965
01:39:07,000 --> 01:39:11,500
Al's and just grabbing offices 
titles and power wherever they 

1966
01:39:11,500 --> 01:39:14,900
can and soul. 
As a whole, they have the most 

1967
01:39:14,900 --> 01:39:19,900
of it, garth's flowers, Elder, 
son of Garth, the gross Garth, 

1968
01:39:19,900 --> 01:39:23,100
the gross is mocked for his 
flatulence, but he was seneschal

1969
01:39:23,100 --> 01:39:26,400
of high guard for a long time, 
which cannot be an easy job. 

1970
01:39:26,600 --> 01:39:31,200
He must have some Ministry of 
skills or they just have someone

1971
01:39:31,200 --> 01:39:33,900
really bad in charge, but I 
suspect the former not the 

1972
01:39:33,900 --> 01:39:36,300
latter. 
That doesn't mean his sons have 

1973
01:39:36,300 --> 01:39:39,900
any of these skills at all but 
given their father is a steamed 

1974
01:39:39,900 --> 01:39:44,200
in the family, they rise with 
him to a certain degree and more

1975
01:39:44,200 --> 01:39:46,700
so because it doesn't seem like 
he has trueborn children. 

1976
01:39:47,300 --> 01:39:48,900
We don't know of any other 
children of Garth. 

1977
01:39:48,900 --> 01:39:52,900
So he only has these two bastard
sons and they seem to follow him

1978
01:39:52,900 --> 01:39:55,300
around. 
They might be a little like, his

1979
01:39:55,300 --> 01:39:57,700
muscle like on when Pica though 
he's nothing like on when Peak. 

1980
01:39:57,700 --> 01:40:01,300
As far as we know, just kind of 
in the, it's smart to have 

1981
01:40:01,400 --> 01:40:03,900
muscle with you, not in the 
muscle, can be used to 

1982
01:40:03,907 --> 01:40:05,700
intimidate people. 
Doing like one. 

1983
01:40:05,900 --> 01:40:08,100
Although there may be some of 
that angle to it as well. 

1984
01:40:08,200 --> 01:40:11,400
I'm not sure. 
For example, though, first of 

1985
01:40:11,407 --> 01:40:14,200
all, these two were probably 
nights because they're Tyrell 

1986
01:40:14,600 --> 01:40:19,100
ish and they're indicated to be 
Warriors. 

1987
01:40:19,100 --> 01:40:22,200
For example, when Garth was 
going to go to King's Landing 

1988
01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:26,200
the two sons Garcia and Garrett,
we're going to join with him, 

1989
01:40:26,200 --> 01:40:29,700
come with him and join the Gold 
cloaks. 

1990
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:34,600
So yeah, being at court brings 
opportunity if Garth the gross 

1991
01:40:34,700 --> 01:40:40,700
Goes to court to be master of 
coin and your cousin is the 

1992
01:40:40,700 --> 01:40:43,400
queen. 
Your other cousin is the hand. 

1993
01:40:43,500 --> 01:40:47,100
Yeah, you're at your nephew 
actually Garth the grosses 

1994
01:40:47,100 --> 01:40:50,900
nephew is Mace Tyrell. 
So very close to the queen hand.

1995
01:40:51,400 --> 01:40:53,200
Yeah. 
Now if you're gar sir, Garrett, 

1996
01:40:53,200 --> 01:40:57,000
your father is now master of 
coin or is about to be and your 

1997
01:40:57,100 --> 01:40:59,600
cousin is hand. 
Your other cousin is Queen. 

1998
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:02,300
There's a lot of opportunity 
there for you, you might think, 

1999
01:41:02,300 --> 01:41:05,000
even if they look down on you 
about as a bastard, No, they 

2000
01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:07,200
still there's so many offices 
and titles, they still would 

2001
01:41:07,200 --> 01:41:10,300
have something for you. 
Even if it's just officers in 

2002
01:41:10,300 --> 01:41:13,500
the gold cloaks which you know, 
doesn't sound so fancy next to 

2003
01:41:13,500 --> 01:41:15,600
Queen and hand of the king, but 
it's something. 

2004
01:41:15,900 --> 01:41:18,400
So Garrett, flowers is the 
younger of the two if people 

2005
01:41:18,400 --> 01:41:20,800
don't trust a bastard brother 
because they usurp their 

2006
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:23,000
trueborn brothers and younger 
brothers. 

2007
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:25,000
Also sometimes usurp their 
eldest. 

2008
01:41:25,100 --> 01:41:27,200
What does that say about a 
younger bastard? 

2009
01:41:27,200 --> 01:41:29,300
Brother? 
Is he doubly untrustworthy in 

2010
01:41:29,300 --> 01:41:31,700
the eyes of some? 
This is the first pair of 

2011
01:41:31,700 --> 01:41:33,800
bastard Brothers. 
We've had today. 

2012
01:41:33,900 --> 01:41:36,300
Hey, it's tomorrow. 
Unlikely to be the inverse that 

2013
01:41:36,300 --> 01:41:38,800
you put next. 
Wishes that maybe he's more 

2014
01:41:38,800 --> 01:41:40,800
trustworthy than his older 
brother. 

2015
01:41:40,900 --> 01:41:43,000
Because there's no title for him
to usurp. 

2016
01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:45,500
He's so far down the line of 
succession is almost like, well,

2017
01:41:45,500 --> 01:41:46,300
this guy. 
Yeah. 

2018
01:41:46,300 --> 01:41:49,300
What's the point, you know, 
unless he's got that like Little

2019
01:41:49,300 --> 01:41:53,000
Walter attitude towards, you 
know, that I'm 42nd and line? 

2020
01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:57,100
But I'm gonna be I'm gonna get 
there like, okay, dude, that 

2021
01:41:57,100 --> 01:41:58,700
doesn't see. 
Most people probably aren't like

2022
01:41:58,700 --> 01:41:59,700
him, you know. 
Yeah. 

2023
01:41:59,700 --> 01:42:02,700
What inheritance is there to 
usurp their yeah there's no 

2024
01:42:02,700 --> 01:42:04,100
land. 
There might be some wealth but 

2025
01:42:04,100 --> 01:42:05,700
that doesn't pass. 
Like land. 

2026
01:42:05,800 --> 01:42:09,000
In other words, Wills unit can 
be divided more equitably when 

2027
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:10,200
it's coins. 
You know. 

2028
01:42:10,300 --> 01:42:13,200
It isn't just all for one. 
So I'm curious how Garson 

2029
01:42:13,200 --> 01:42:16,300
Garrett get along or if they 
don't and that would be more 

2030
01:42:16,300 --> 01:42:19,300
interesting maybe from a story 
perspective if they don't but as

2031
01:42:19,300 --> 01:42:21,900
the sons of Garth the gross yeah
there's more to the story. 

2032
01:42:21,900 --> 01:42:25,100
Let's get into the gold cloak 
aspect of this which is funny 

2033
01:42:25,100 --> 01:42:28,100
because of their sigils right? 
Bastard, sigils are reversed 

2034
01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:31,700
tyrells have gold roses on green
so a bastard Tyrell would have 

2035
01:42:31,700 --> 01:42:34,600
green roses on gold. 
A gold cloak matches. 

2036
01:42:34,700 --> 01:42:37,400
I'm perfectly in a symbolic way.
They're kind of camouflage. 

2037
01:42:37,400 --> 01:42:40,700
Their Thorns are concealed 
beneath their cloaks tyrells 

2038
01:42:40,700 --> 01:42:44,600
just planting more flowers here 
and there watching them grow in 

2039
01:42:44,600 --> 01:42:47,900
the direction they want, mmm 
watered with blood. 

2040
01:42:48,900 --> 01:42:51,000
Another angle to consider here 
is something Cersei is and was 

2041
01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:53,900
concerned about which was The 
Growing Power of these tyrells, 

2042
01:42:53,900 --> 01:42:56,500
how they snatch up so many 
offices and titles. 

2043
01:42:56,900 --> 01:42:59,600
And then they push the limits of
the authority, granted them by 

2044
01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:03,300
those new offices and titles and
use those powers and those 

2045
01:43:03,300 --> 01:43:06,100
offices, of course for the 
benefit of house Tyrell. 

2046
01:43:06,700 --> 01:43:10,500
Humorously it was Tywin who 
invited Garth the gross to take 

2047
01:43:10,500 --> 01:43:13,900
tyrion's places master of coin. 
But Cersei canceled that on 

2048
01:43:13,900 --> 01:43:17,800
tywin's death only to appoint 
sir Giles Roz be who has now 

2049
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:20,600
passed on. 
His were right and is replaced 

2050
01:43:20,600 --> 01:43:23,500
by Sir Harry Swift, who is 
terrible at his job, and 

2051
01:43:23,500 --> 01:43:26,000
probably most other jobs as 
well. 

2052
01:43:27,000 --> 01:43:29,900
So Garth didn't come to King's 
Landing after all though. 

2053
01:43:29,900 --> 01:43:31,900
Mace is still pushing for his 
appointment. 

2054
01:43:31,900 --> 01:43:34,300
He Stills like, Harvey Swift is 
bad. 

2055
01:43:34,300 --> 01:43:38,800
Let's have someone else in this 
job, but Cersei seemed to have 

2056
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:40,300
regained. 
Some measure of control. 

2057
01:43:40,300 --> 01:43:42,200
So she may be able to hold mace 
off on that. 

2058
01:43:42,200 --> 01:43:46,500
We'll see, let's not remind 
Tywin of that one variation on 

2059
01:43:46,500 --> 01:43:48,100
the land. 
The clever origin story though, 

2060
01:43:48,300 --> 01:43:54,500
this, Same story that leads us 
to denote all the reach houses 

2061
01:43:54,500 --> 01:43:59,100
as the seed of bastards, given 
Garth greenhand. 

2062
01:43:59,100 --> 01:44:03,200
'S impregnating, all the women. 
If the reach back in the day, 

2063
01:44:03,300 --> 01:44:06,200
one of the stories says that 
land. 

2064
01:44:06,200 --> 01:44:09,800
The clever was one of those 
bastards, a bastard, son of 

2065
01:44:09,800 --> 01:44:12,800
flurries the fox or Rowan gold 
tree. 

2066
01:44:12,900 --> 01:44:15,600
Now, they don't believe that in 
the west, but they do in the 

2067
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:18,300
reach at least in some places. 
So while we're not going to have

2068
01:44:18,300 --> 01:44:20,900
a Section dedicated to land the 
clever because he's not big 

2069
01:44:20,900 --> 01:44:22,500
enough topic. 
We've talked about him in our 

2070
01:44:22,500 --> 01:44:26,200
casterly, Rock episode. 
We won't explicitly, add him to 

2071
01:44:26,200 --> 01:44:28,100
the list of famous bastards from
the reach. 

2072
01:44:29,100 --> 01:44:31,400
But keep him in mind. 
He's got a foot in there. 

2073
01:44:31,400 --> 01:44:34,000
He might be a famous bastard of 
the reach. 

2074
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:36,100
No one ever called him land 
flowers. 

2075
01:44:36,100 --> 01:44:39,200
Maybe flowers wasn't the title 
for reach bastards back then as 

2076
01:44:39,200 --> 01:44:43,000
we said before, but he belongs 
in this conversation. 

2077
01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:46,600
And if he is, truly a reach 
Badger, he's one of the most 

2078
01:44:46,600 --> 01:44:50,600
famous of all even though his 
ultimate end was nothing to do 

2079
01:44:50,600 --> 01:44:53,900
with the reach. 
But the many children of Garth 

2080
01:44:53,900 --> 01:44:56,000
greenhand, brings us right on 
back to the tyrells and their 

2081
01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:59,500
political encroachment, the many
children of house Tyrell, 

2082
01:44:59,700 --> 01:45:03,500
because part of the reason, 
they're able to encroach so much

2083
01:45:03,900 --> 01:45:08,600
at King's Landing is there. 
So many of them you can't 

2084
01:45:08,600 --> 01:45:11,900
appoint all your friends and 
family to offices. 

2085
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:14,600
If you don't have that many 
friends and family. 

2086
01:45:14,600 --> 01:45:18,400
Well, it's nepotism on a grander
scale because there's so many 

2087
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:21,900
tyrells delay, even the 
Lannisters can't do this unless 

2088
01:45:21,900 --> 01:45:24,000
they Start, including the 
Lannisters Atlantis park because

2089
01:45:24,400 --> 01:45:26,900
that actually, then they may be 
could yes, makes me think of 

2090
01:45:26,900 --> 01:45:28,700
you. 
Remember my most iconic Crusader

2091
01:45:28,700 --> 01:45:33,400
Kings 2 game ever. 
I just kept breeding tyrells, 

2092
01:45:33,400 --> 01:45:36,900
and I put a Tyrell and every 
Lord Paramount, see there was 

2093
01:45:36,900 --> 01:45:39,400
the Tyrell of the north of the 
west of the. 

2094
01:45:39,400 --> 01:45:42,100
So just everywhere we counted, 
at one point there were over 700

2095
01:45:42,100 --> 01:45:44,200
tyrells. 
Yeah, third of them looked 

2096
01:45:44,200 --> 01:45:45,400
Targaryen. 
Yes. 

2097
01:45:45,400 --> 01:45:48,300
I can really see how I like yeah
you can really do a lot with 

2098
01:45:48,300 --> 01:45:49,600
you. 
There's a lot of mouths to her 

2099
01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:52,700
that really big read like 
bunnies look crappy Yeah, like 

2100
01:45:52,700 --> 01:45:53,900
flowers. 
Yeah, wow. 

2101
01:45:53,900 --> 01:45:56,800
Really flower is kind of an 
appropriate flowering. 

2102
01:45:56,800 --> 01:45:58,300
They're growing strong, and all 
that. 

2103
01:45:58,300 --> 01:46:01,100
Yeah, there's so many of the 
girl was up to take that much to

2104
01:46:01,100 --> 01:46:02,600
get them all growing like. 
Yeah. 

2105
01:46:03,300 --> 01:46:05,100
They work, they work. 
Well, as a group, they look 

2106
01:46:05,100 --> 01:46:06,800
great as a group like a single 
flower looks awesome. 

2107
01:46:06,800 --> 01:46:08,900
But like a field of golden 
roses, it looks awesome. 

2108
01:46:09,700 --> 01:46:12,400
They're going for sewn together 
like a cloak, like Loris had a 

2109
01:46:12,407 --> 01:46:15,000
cloak of golden roses. 
I mean, you know, small group of

2110
01:46:15,000 --> 01:46:17,400
flowers looks great, too, a 
bouquet of, okay. 

2111
01:46:17,400 --> 01:46:23,800
Yeah, great. 
So hence, any size 12, 2312 I 

2112
01:46:23,800 --> 01:46:27,900
love flowers. 
Wow, is a che. 

2113
01:46:27,900 --> 01:46:29,800
I don't understand what to say 
is saying he right. 

2114
01:46:30,600 --> 01:46:35,200
There is no hinting going on. 
Let me just move on obliviously 

2115
01:46:35,200 --> 01:46:38,000
here. 
So yeah and the phrase or maybe 

2116
01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:42,100
another ones that come to mind 
that could and have tried to 

2117
01:46:42,100 --> 01:46:44,700
grab a lot of offices at once, 
they're not having as much 

2118
01:46:44,700 --> 01:46:47,400
success with that, but they 
could give and how many of them 

2119
01:46:47,400 --> 01:46:50,100
there are there's not there's 
not as powerful as the tyrells. 

2120
01:46:50,500 --> 01:46:53,600
They are also aren't overlords 
of Largest of the Seven Kingdoms

2121
01:46:53,900 --> 01:46:57,000
in the region like the tyrells 
are so yeah, the tyrells are a 

2122
01:46:57,000 --> 01:46:59,400
lot more powerful, Grace, that's
kind of obvious. 

2123
01:47:00,500 --> 01:47:03,300
And a lot more attractive. 
And by average, I'll even 

2124
01:47:03,300 --> 01:47:05,200
mentioned Laura's being in the 
kingsguard when I mentioned, you

2125
01:47:05,200 --> 01:47:07,200
know, Queen Margaery and hand 
mace, you know? 

2126
01:47:07,200 --> 01:47:10,500
So yeah. 
All right, and it's and again 

2127
01:47:10,500 --> 01:47:12,400
because there's so many of them,
it's easy to miss these lesser 

2128
01:47:12,400 --> 01:47:13,800
offices. 
They're getting their hands on 

2129
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:16,900
these lesser offices can be of 
great importance at the right 

2130
01:47:16,900 --> 01:47:19,800
moment. 
Right there not like day-to-day 

2131
01:47:19,800 --> 01:47:23,900
having two sons in the gold. 
Cloaks is no big deal but Janos 

2132
01:47:23,900 --> 01:47:27,200
slynt funny that we've had two 
reasons to talk about him today 

2133
01:47:27,200 --> 01:47:29,600
because he's not a reach 
mastered but the city watch 

2134
01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:32,100
disaster. 
Third, no, no, the city watch 

2135
01:47:32,100 --> 01:47:34,900
doesn't have a lot of power 
normally, but when two sides 

2136
01:47:34,900 --> 01:47:37,400
are, duking it out within the 
confines of King's Landing or 

2137
01:47:37,400 --> 01:47:40,500
the red keep as discussed by Ned
and Little Finger here. 

2138
01:47:40,900 --> 01:47:45,400
Quote, I must have the gold 
cloaks, the city watch is 2,000,

2139
01:47:45,400 --> 01:47:48,500
strong sworn to defend the 
castle, the city and the King's 

2140
01:47:48,500 --> 01:47:51,800
peace. 
Ah but when the queen proclaims 

2141
01:47:51,800 --> 01:47:56,600
one king and the Hand, another 
whose peace do they protect Lord

2142
01:47:56,600 --> 01:47:58,900
Peter flicked. 
The dagger with his finger 

2143
01:47:59,100 --> 01:48:02,400
setting it spinning and Place 
round and round. 

2144
01:48:02,400 --> 01:48:06,500
It went wobbling as it turned. 
When at last it slowed to a 

2145
01:48:06,508 --> 01:48:10,500
stop, the blade pointed at 
little finger, why? 

2146
01:48:10,700 --> 01:48:13,500
There's your answer? 
He said, smiling, let's 

2147
01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:15,200
understand what Ned got wrong 
here. 

2148
01:48:15,200 --> 01:48:18,600
He was not fooled by this. 
This part, he understood very 

2149
01:48:18,600 --> 01:48:20,600
well. 
He understands military stuff, 

2150
01:48:20,700 --> 01:48:23,200
he can count two thousand men on
his side. 

2151
01:48:23,300 --> 01:48:25,500
Basically many couldn't lose 
because the Lannisters had like 

2152
01:48:25,700 --> 01:48:28,700
100 or 200 at most, he would 
easily be able to overwhelm 

2153
01:48:28,700 --> 01:48:29,700
them. 
And so the point that he didn't 

2154
01:48:29,700 --> 01:48:33,900
expect to find Fight, except 
they had those two thousand and 

2155
01:48:33,900 --> 01:48:36,000
they're 200. 
That's the part that got wrong. 

2156
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:38,200
There's like, 2,000 men were not
on his side. 

2157
01:48:38,300 --> 01:48:40,600
He just thought they were to 
recall, important loyalty to 

2158
01:48:40,600 --> 01:48:42,600
Damon was during the dance of 
the Dragons. 

2159
01:48:42,600 --> 01:48:45,700
He who gave them their gold 
cloaks in the first place and 

2160
01:48:45,700 --> 01:48:48,800
when Unwin Peak was busy 
appointing, his people all over 

2161
01:48:48,800 --> 01:48:52,700
a small Council and kingsguard. 
He didn't put two of his men in 

2162
01:48:52,700 --> 01:48:55,400
the gold cloaks. 
He placed 500. 

2163
01:48:58,200 --> 01:49:00,200
Wow. 
Yeah. 

2164
01:49:00,400 --> 01:49:02,500
Like I was saying he wasn't 
sneaky about this. 

2165
01:49:02,500 --> 01:49:06,900
He's like okay 2000 gold cloaks.
I'm gonna put 500 my man, 

2166
01:49:06,900 --> 01:49:11,000
they're all quarter of them so 
definitely don't sleep on the 

2167
01:49:11,000 --> 01:49:12,800
importance of the tyrells. 
Gaining influence. 

2168
01:49:12,800 --> 01:49:15,800
If not control over the city 
watch because it could matter 

2169
01:49:15,800 --> 01:49:18,300
like the gates are being held by
the city watch. 

2170
01:49:18,300 --> 01:49:19,800
Do an invading Army like 
Stannis. 

2171
01:49:19,800 --> 01:49:24,000
Well, what about all it takes is
one Commander loyal to the other

2172
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:27,900
side to open one of the seven 
Gates and there you go. 

2173
01:49:27,900 --> 01:49:30,600
And if it's not the tyrells 
gaining influence, Doesn't have 

2174
01:49:30,600 --> 01:49:32,000
to be. 
That it could be somebody else, 

2175
01:49:32,100 --> 01:49:33,200
right? 
Someone else could get influence

2176
01:49:33,200 --> 01:49:35,200
over the city watch. 
And use that to take of the 

2177
01:49:35,200 --> 01:49:36,900
city, like someone in aegon's 
group. 

2178
01:49:37,300 --> 01:49:39,500
Someone in young, Griff's group,
right? 

2179
01:49:39,600 --> 01:49:43,600
Varis, finding the right person 
to bribe in order to get the 

2180
01:49:44,300 --> 01:49:47,000
young grips Army inside the City
without having to storm the 

2181
01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:50,500
walls and losing lots of men. 
So Ned trusting little finger 

2182
01:49:50,500 --> 01:49:52,600
was a poor choice though. 
Honestly, he might not have had 

2183
01:49:52,600 --> 01:49:56,600
many other options which brings 
us to our next character who 

2184
01:49:56,600 --> 01:50:00,200
definitely didn't have many 
other options that Lea flowers. 

2185
01:50:01,200 --> 01:50:05,300
Poor girl that was taken by 
urine are on warned, her not to 

2186
01:50:05,300 --> 01:50:06,800
trust your own but what good 
would it have done? 

2187
01:50:06,800 --> 01:50:08,800
Not to trust him which he have 
escaped? 

2188
01:50:08,800 --> 01:50:11,100
Probably not. 
Although maybe, I think she 

2189
01:50:11,100 --> 01:50:13,700
would have just been become the 
bed safe to someone else then. 

2190
01:50:13,700 --> 01:50:17,600
Yeah, just like, you just been 
at for AG, one of his lesser 

2191
01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:19,300
underlings and just would be 
dead. 

2192
01:50:19,300 --> 01:50:21,800
Probably, it sooner not that I 
blame are on here. 

2193
01:50:21,800 --> 01:50:25,000
He's just like panting, you 
still saying, like, don't trust 

2194
01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:27,400
him. 
I'm technically, she could have,

2195
01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:30,200
she could, she could be in bed 
with your on and not. 

2196
01:50:30,300 --> 01:50:33,100
Him because whereas she clearly,
she's like all enamored and 

2197
01:50:33,100 --> 01:50:34,700
smitten with him. 
Yeah. 

2198
01:50:34,800 --> 01:50:37,100
You know she could be like, you 
know, she could, she could split

2199
01:50:37,100 --> 01:50:38,700
this. 
Throw like talking Greyjoy was 

2200
01:50:38,700 --> 01:50:41,300
killed, you know, like the red 
crack and like she has that 

2201
01:50:41,300 --> 01:50:42,900
opportunity like she could kill 
him. 

2202
01:50:42,900 --> 01:50:45,300
She's never gonna do that. 
He's just giving the jewels 

2203
01:50:45,300 --> 01:50:47,200
that. 
Yeah, yeah. 

2204
01:50:47,200 --> 01:50:48,500
Yeah. 
He was, she was totally 

2205
01:50:48,500 --> 01:50:50,400
besotted. 
Yeah, and this is where would 

2206
01:50:50,400 --> 01:50:52,500
you even gone? 
Like she's already taken over. 

2207
01:50:52,500 --> 01:50:56,000
She's on an island. 
Like it's not like, even if he 

2208
01:50:56,000 --> 01:50:58,300
wasn't around it would have been
hard to escape but she's on an 

2209
01:50:58,300 --> 01:51:02,600
island with the ironborn like 
Rulers of the sea like she's no 

2210
01:51:02,600 --> 01:51:08,500
choice, no Escape. 
So basically being naive magnet 

2211
01:51:08,500 --> 01:51:10,000
so that she's only going to 
suffer at the end. 

2212
01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:13,300
Yeah, I mean I your envelope 
handsome to is my impression. 

2213
01:51:13,300 --> 01:51:14,600
Yeah. 
For what it's worth. 

2214
01:51:14,600 --> 01:51:18,600
Like, you know, like I can see 
how she I mean, is will get 

2215
01:51:18,600 --> 01:51:19,800
into? 
I mean, she was like, she's 

2216
01:51:19,800 --> 01:51:22,100
literally the Cinderella story 
right here, right? 

2217
01:51:22,100 --> 01:51:25,700
And like really yeah, I guess I 
get why she grasped onto 

2218
01:51:25,700 --> 01:51:29,200
anything to get her out of her 
law and life even if she like, 

2219
01:51:29,200 --> 01:51:31,200
yeah, I get it. 
You're totally right to bring up

2220
01:51:31,200 --> 01:51:33,200
Cinderella because yes, 
Cinderella was mistreated by 

2221
01:51:33,200 --> 01:51:37,900
her, many trueborn sisters and 
then with the tables were turned

2222
01:51:37,900 --> 01:51:38,900
on them. 
All right, and that's what 

2223
01:51:38,900 --> 01:51:40,800
happened here and that's what 
Drew you're on to her in the 

2224
01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:42,800
first place. 
Besides our Beauty, like she's 

2225
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:45,500
apparently, really good looking.
As part of you, that's the first

2226
01:51:45,500 --> 01:51:50,600
thing you're on noticed but she 
suggested because she had been 

2227
01:51:50,600 --> 01:51:53,300
made into a servant by her 
family that they become servants

2228
01:51:53,300 --> 01:51:55,500
to them. 
Which is exactly the Cinderella 

2229
01:51:55,500 --> 01:51:58,500
thing you're saying there. 
Yeah, that's a, that's really 

2230
01:51:58,500 --> 01:52:00,100
perfect. 
So, she is a bastard house. 

2231
01:52:00,300 --> 01:52:03,200
You it, which is sort of why I 
put them in this group because 

2232
01:52:03,200 --> 01:52:07,500
their vassals to the tyrells, 
although not anymore because 

2233
01:52:07,500 --> 01:52:10,200
they've been conquered by the 
ironborn, but we don't expect 

2234
01:52:10,200 --> 01:52:12,600
that to stay. 
Even your on doesn't expect that

2235
01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:14,700
to stay. 
You're on expects to lose the 

2236
01:52:14,700 --> 01:52:16,600
shield Islands. 
It's one of his poison gifts, 

2237
01:52:16,600 --> 01:52:19,200
given to Newt the barber. 
So, technically, Newt, the 

2238
01:52:19,200 --> 01:52:23,800
barber is the Lord of 
Oakenshield right now, but yeah,

2239
01:52:23,800 --> 01:52:27,300
that won't last and failure. 
Flowers are self was misled by 

2240
01:52:27,300 --> 01:52:29,100
your arms. 
Poison gifts, poison gas was 

2241
01:52:29,100 --> 01:52:30,800
being one of our recent Let's 
check that out. 

2242
01:52:30,800 --> 01:52:33,100
If you want more on that, you're
on enabled. 

2243
01:52:33,100 --> 01:52:38,000
Her revenge on the huge family 
that he wants were terrible to 

2244
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:40,100
her. 
But they weren't psychotic. 

2245
01:52:40,400 --> 01:52:44,100
They weren't like beating her, I
don't think, but it was neglect,

2246
01:52:44,100 --> 01:52:46,200
it was really bad. 
It was traumatizing for sure. 

2247
01:52:46,200 --> 01:52:48,800
I would think. 
And structural cruelty starved 

2248
01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:51,400
for love. 
Start for acceptance, you're on 

2249
01:52:51,400 --> 01:52:55,600
seized on, he's a master at 
seizing on those Grievances and 

2250
01:52:55,600 --> 01:52:59,400
turning them to his own ends. 
This was a microcosm of that. 

2251
01:52:59,900 --> 01:53:04,800
He what she didn't realize is 
that he was worse than them. 

2252
01:53:04,800 --> 01:53:07,800
She it's kind of such a cruel 
thing to have to be face was 

2253
01:53:07,800 --> 01:53:09,300
like this. 
This guy's actually worse than 

2254
01:53:09,300 --> 01:53:11,100
the family that mistreated you 
all your life. 

2255
01:53:12,500 --> 01:53:15,000
Obvious misogyny here too 
though, even male bastards are 

2256
01:53:15,008 --> 01:53:17,000
given a chance to prove 
themselves with a sword. 

2257
01:53:17,100 --> 01:53:19,400
If she had been born a boy, the 
Hewitt's probably would have 

2258
01:53:19,400 --> 01:53:22,000
given him a chance to sword 
fight. 

2259
01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:27,000
But since she was born a girl 
she missed serving girl like 

2260
01:53:27,000 --> 01:53:28,700
what you know? 
So like she didn't even have a 

2261
01:53:28,708 --> 01:53:30,600
chance to. 
She could have maybe wouldn't 

2262
01:53:30,600 --> 01:53:33,000
have been good with a sword 
would have ended up in the same 

2263
01:53:33,000 --> 01:53:33,900
place. 
Anyway, she didn't even get a 

2264
01:53:33,900 --> 01:53:35,400
chance. 
Yeah, I mean, I mean, yeah, if 

2265
01:53:35,400 --> 01:53:37,700
she'd been a boy, she might have
been bad with sword but then she

2266
01:53:37,700 --> 01:53:39,700
could have gone a bit of Meister
gone. 

2267
01:53:39,700 --> 01:53:41,600
Maybe the wall wouldn't have 
been great either, but But 

2268
01:53:41,600 --> 01:53:43,300
either way, she would have had a
few options. 

2269
01:53:43,300 --> 01:53:48,100
Whereas, yeah, just waiting on 
your well-to-do siblings. 

2270
01:53:48,100 --> 01:53:49,700
It's like it, because like, it's
even worse to me. 

2271
01:53:49,700 --> 01:53:51,300
It's not just that she's a 
servant. 

2272
01:53:51,300 --> 01:53:55,600
Girl, it's the she's a serving 
girl to her own fan her family. 

2273
01:53:55,600 --> 01:53:58,000
Yeah. 
Like that's what makes it like. 

2274
01:53:58,200 --> 01:53:59,500
Yeah. 
Cause it's not like I think that

2275
01:53:59,500 --> 01:54:02,700
necessarily like these Nobles 
are owed their law in life. 

2276
01:54:02,700 --> 01:54:06,200
Like, I don't necessarily think 
that like, yeah, class our 

2277
01:54:06,200 --> 01:54:09,500
system is right, you know. 
So I don't want to say like, oh,

2278
01:54:09,500 --> 01:54:11,900
give follow your her, do ya. 
No. 

2279
01:54:11,900 --> 01:54:14,700
I mean and because she's lives 
in this isolated even for the 

2280
01:54:14,700 --> 01:54:15,800
reach. 
Like she lives in a kind of an 

2281
01:54:15,808 --> 01:54:18,700
isolated area living with the 
Hewitt's and on the island, 

2282
01:54:18,700 --> 01:54:20,500
right? 
So there wouldn't be as many 

2283
01:54:20,500 --> 01:54:23,400
visitors wouldn't be as much 
outside culture coming in but 

2284
01:54:23,400 --> 01:54:26,700
it's a she's a real even though 
she's our only female flowers. 

2285
01:54:26,700 --> 01:54:30,100
Example, she's a real example of
like, we saw how bad John had 

2286
01:54:30,100 --> 01:54:31,700
it, but John had it way better 
than this. 

2287
01:54:31,700 --> 01:54:33,500
I mean, even before you're on, 
like, take your on out of 

2288
01:54:33,500 --> 01:54:35,300
equations, obviously, there's no
comparison. 

2289
01:54:35,300 --> 01:54:38,900
If you do even John being 
stabbed to death, isn't as bad 

2290
01:54:38,900 --> 01:54:42,300
as this, but she serves in his 
example, Apple for all these 

2291
01:54:42,300 --> 01:54:46,900
other likely mistreatment of 
female bastards, we just don't 

2292
01:54:46,900 --> 01:54:49,600
have as many examples to go by 
but we can assume that a lot of 

2293
01:54:49,600 --> 01:54:51,700
this is similar the mistreatment
that John got. 

2294
01:54:51,700 --> 01:54:55,000
Yeah nothing compared John 
wasn't made new servant you know

2295
01:54:55,100 --> 01:54:57,300
none of these other ones were 
made into service that we know 

2296
01:54:57,300 --> 01:55:00,200
of. 
Yeah you know I have to wonder 

2297
01:55:00,200 --> 01:55:03,500
like yeah if John's girl or 
whatever and meted brought a 

2298
01:55:03,500 --> 01:55:06,200
little bastard girl or whatever,
one of Catelyn would have 

2299
01:55:06,200 --> 01:55:09,100
treated her poorly still. 
If Catelyn would have made her a

2300
01:55:09,108 --> 01:55:11,100
sir. 
I'm just so curious, how you 

2301
01:55:11,100 --> 01:55:14,700
felt Threatened, it would have 
felt it would have, is a much 

2302
01:55:14,700 --> 01:55:16,600
bigger problem of Catalan 
mistreats of female batch 

2303
01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:18,600
because there's no worry about 
cause there's no worry about 

2304
01:55:18,600 --> 01:55:20,200
claims. 
The like, wow, you know, she's 

2305
01:55:20,200 --> 01:55:24,600
just hurt me as being cruel. 
But yeah, when she sees my 

2306
01:55:24,700 --> 01:55:27,600
stone, just the hearing her name
Stone sets Catlin off. 

2307
01:55:27,600 --> 01:55:28,700
Yeah. 
Guilty. 

2308
01:55:28,900 --> 01:55:31,600
She's like his because it brings
her back to John and mixes like 

2309
01:55:31,600 --> 01:55:34,400
makes you feel mad and guilty 
because she's part of that how 

2310
01:55:34,400 --> 01:55:37,400
she's treated John but another 
part of her is like well this is

2311
01:55:37,400 --> 01:55:39,500
how the world works and she's 
like it just it just sets her 

2312
01:55:39,500 --> 01:55:43,100
off just now yeah hearing The 
name me a stone like meeting me.

2313
01:55:43,100 --> 01:55:44,900
I just bought like there's like 
basso catlins. 

2314
01:55:44,900 --> 01:55:47,200
Yeah, Collins real wrapped up 
about that stuff. 

2315
01:55:47,200 --> 01:55:48,800
That's so much of its out of her
control. 

2316
01:55:49,800 --> 01:55:52,100
So yeah. 
So if Ali doesn't know, valleys 

2317
01:55:52,100 --> 01:55:55,000
even more sheltered and 
shelters, the wrong word but 

2318
01:55:55,000 --> 01:56:01,100
trapped in a microcosm of a 
smaller worldly view yet she 

2319
01:56:01,100 --> 01:56:03,900
still serves as a great example.
A tragic example of what's 

2320
01:56:03,900 --> 01:56:06,700
probably the Fate? 
It's honestly it is probably the

2321
01:56:06,700 --> 01:56:08,900
fate of a lot of men who aren't 
good with swords. 

2322
01:56:08,900 --> 01:56:10,300
They probably do end up in 
similar. 

2323
01:56:10,300 --> 01:56:11,300
Pull it places? 
Like aye, sir. 

2324
01:56:11,500 --> 01:56:14,400
Answer something like yeah but 
those ones don't get mentioned 

2325
01:56:14,400 --> 01:56:18,200
in the history books and and 
they don't have this sort of 

2326
01:56:18,200 --> 01:56:21,800
outcome, like failure, would 
because no Lord is going to go 

2327
01:56:21,800 --> 01:56:24,400
grab them, you know, like gnats.
Well, there would be maybe some 

2328
01:56:24,400 --> 01:56:27,100
exceptions to like a gaylord or 
something. 

2329
01:56:27,100 --> 01:56:31,300
Yeah, the satin or something. 
But most of the men, I most, you

2330
01:56:31,300 --> 01:56:35,000
know, obviously most Lords are 
heterosexual or bisexual. 

2331
01:56:35,500 --> 01:56:37,200
Yeah, more likely to happen to 
him. 

2332
01:56:37,300 --> 01:56:44,000
Most Lords, are bisexual 
pharmacies So even more cruel 

2333
01:56:44,000 --> 01:56:46,800
here, another angle to this is 
the Hewitt's are going to be 

2334
01:56:46,800 --> 01:56:49,100
ransomed by the tyrells of 
highgarden from knuth. 

2335
01:56:49,100 --> 01:56:52,300
The Barn at the barber kept, 
most of them alive or all of 

2336
01:56:52,300 --> 01:56:56,400
them alive and so he'll get some
money for that the tyrells as 

2337
01:56:56,400 --> 01:56:58,700
overlords. 
That's their responsibility and 

2338
01:56:58,700 --> 01:57:01,300
that can afford it. 
Let's be honest, I roles are 

2339
01:57:01,300 --> 01:57:04,000
rich as hell. 
So they will definitely do that.

2340
01:57:04,700 --> 01:57:07,100
But because Valley of flowers 
was taken away. 

2341
01:57:07,800 --> 01:57:10,700
She will not, she will not get 
Ransom, she will die most likely

2342
01:57:10,700 --> 01:57:14,000
alongside Are on strapped to the
prow of the silence and to make 

2343
01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:17,100
it even more worse, she is 
pregnant with your on bastard. 

2344
01:57:17,100 --> 01:57:19,900
Who clearly doesn't care about 
because he's strapped her to the

2345
01:57:19,900 --> 01:57:21,700
ground and cut her tongue it. 
Yikes. 

2346
01:57:21,700 --> 01:57:24,000
Yeah roof. 
That's some bad stuff. 

2347
01:57:24,900 --> 01:57:27,200
Bad stuff. 
Indeed, I guess that would not. 

2348
01:57:27,200 --> 01:57:30,100
That would be her child to be a 
pike, I guess. 

2349
01:57:30,300 --> 01:57:32,500
Yeah. 
But her child won't be born was 

2350
01:57:32,500 --> 01:57:35,800
like, yeah. 
Yeah, it's like what a is. 

2351
01:57:35,800 --> 01:57:38,800
It a two bastards have a child? 
Is it when they're not married, 

2352
01:57:38,800 --> 01:57:40,700
is it? 
I don't know how that works. 

2353
01:57:41,200 --> 01:57:45,300
I mean, Iran has not one but 
maybe think of that our last 

2354
01:57:45,300 --> 01:57:49,100
section is called fake flowers. 
Not the plastic variety, not the

2355
01:57:49,100 --> 01:57:52,000
Radiohead song. 
The steel varieties, steel 

2356
01:57:52,000 --> 01:57:54,700
flowers because our last example
is a character who is truly just

2357
01:57:54,700 --> 01:57:57,700
getting started in life and has 
a lot in common with Jon Snow 

2358
01:57:57,700 --> 01:58:00,800
where we started this episode 
with talk of him, he is where he

2359
01:58:00,800 --> 01:58:02,700
is because of Jon Snow and his 
story. 

2360
01:58:03,600 --> 01:58:05,700
Has so much in common with him. 
I'm talking about Eamon not 

2361
01:58:05,700 --> 01:58:09,500
maester aemon but the child of 
dalla and Mance rayder the child

2362
01:58:09,500 --> 01:58:11,600
with the most complicated 
identity. 

2363
01:58:11,800 --> 01:58:14,600
He is not truly a bastard of 
course the case with John as 

2364
01:58:14,600 --> 01:58:16,800
well as in my not truly be a 
bastard. 

2365
01:58:16,800 --> 01:58:20,100
I just have the bastards name to
hide his identity Jon Snow. 

2366
01:58:20,100 --> 01:58:24,200
Maybe John Targaryen or aegon 
Targaryen her a mentor dr. 

2367
01:58:24,200 --> 01:58:28,400
Gero knows but he may not be a 
snow because dalla and manse 

2368
01:58:28,400 --> 01:58:32,700
were married to so Dale. 
Mantis child is not a bastard by

2369
01:58:32,700 --> 01:58:36,000
the Laws and traditions of the 
Seven Kingdoms, even if their 

2370
01:58:36,000 --> 01:58:39,600
marriage might not be recognized
in the same way, I certainly 

2371
01:58:39,600 --> 01:58:43,300
recognize, I think most people 
would, but a man steal song, his

2372
01:58:43,300 --> 01:58:48,300
master masquerading, not under 
his own will, but his Guardians 

2373
01:58:48,300 --> 01:58:52,600
have decided that he is was 
going to be swapped with craster

2374
01:58:52,600 --> 01:58:55,200
and Gillies child who are not 
married. 

2375
01:58:55,600 --> 01:58:58,300
And Gilly is going to tell Sam's
family and Horn Hill that Sam is

2376
01:58:58,300 --> 01:59:01,900
the father. 
So Sam is the official father. 

2377
01:59:02,300 --> 01:59:05,800
So No, he's going to be called a
man steal song or a man battle 

2378
01:59:05,800 --> 01:59:10,900
born as a nickname as the 
officially you know. 

2379
01:59:10,900 --> 01:59:14,600
It's a lie story that he's a 
child of a rich nobleman to 

2380
01:59:14,600 --> 01:59:18,400
maintain the Sherrod. 
He would be a Min flowers, 

2381
01:59:18,500 --> 01:59:21,100
right? 
The Son of Sam Sam Sam. 

2382
01:59:21,100 --> 01:59:22,900
Who ha ha ha. 
Yikes. 

2383
01:59:23,600 --> 01:59:25,600
Son of Sam tarly so he would be 
a. 

2384
01:59:25,608 --> 01:59:27,200
He'd be aiming flowers. 
Officially. 

2385
01:59:27,200 --> 01:59:29,100
That would be his like legal 
name. 

2386
01:59:29,100 --> 01:59:30,500
Even. 
Yeah, even though. 

2387
01:59:30,500 --> 01:59:32,100
Yeah. 
He's not really. 

2388
01:59:32,100 --> 01:59:36,400
Yeah, that's funny. 
Which is so great for like 

2389
01:59:36,400 --> 01:59:40,700
that's that Jon Snow to probably
he's not really a bastard but 

2390
01:59:40,700 --> 01:59:43,200
he's going to be treated like 
one because officially his 

2391
01:59:43,400 --> 01:59:46,000
disguise includes that title 
that name. 

2392
01:59:46,000 --> 01:59:48,200
So that's pretty cool. 
Good way to end it. 

2393
01:59:48,400 --> 01:59:52,100
My friends and listeners fellow 
West dorian's by miss any 

2394
01:59:52,100 --> 01:59:55,300
flowers. 
Let us know the pretty sneaky. 

2395
01:59:55,300 --> 01:59:57,400
Those flowers can be hidden. 
You know you never know where a 

2396
01:59:57,400 --> 02:00:02,400
flower might grow wild, flowers 
Wallflowers, black flowers, blue

2397
02:00:02,400 --> 02:00:03,600
flowers, red. 
Hours. 

2398
02:00:03,800 --> 02:00:10,000
Well, talk about baking flour. 
We didn't talk about making hot 

2399
02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:12,100
pie needed to get in here 
somewhere but we don't know his.

2400
02:00:12,100 --> 02:00:15,000
We don't know his origin story 
and that's true. 

2401
02:00:15,000 --> 02:00:17,400
There's a lot of people out 
there who are bastards in our 

2402
02:00:17,400 --> 02:00:19,200
Noble bastards. 
So we don't want to leave them 

2403
02:00:19,200 --> 02:00:22,200
out but there's too many of them
and they're a lot harder to 

2404
02:00:22,200 --> 02:00:26,700
track down. 
For example, dunk is technically

2405
02:00:26,700 --> 02:00:29,300
a bastard most likely but we 
don't know, either of his 

2406
02:00:29,300 --> 02:00:32,500
parents are right. 
Like I mentioned virus earlier, 

2407
02:00:32,500 --> 02:00:34,800
probably a bastard. 
He's a children of slaves. 

2408
02:00:34,800 --> 02:00:37,200
Were those slaves, married? 
Probably not. 

2409
02:00:37,200 --> 02:00:41,500
That's not usually how their 
masters allow things to go 

2410
02:00:41,600 --> 02:00:45,300
anyway, but we're sticking to 
stones and snows and hills, and 

2411
02:00:45,300 --> 02:00:47,800
Sands, and storms, and Pikes, 
and Waters and rivers, and the 

2412
02:00:47,800 --> 02:00:55,200
Obscure other examples like, Of 
hall or the other ones that 

2413
02:00:55,200 --> 02:00:57,600
haven't blanking on at the 
moment, we will return to 

2414
02:00:57,600 --> 02:01:01,700
discuss those other ones in a 
future installment of bastard 

2415
02:01:01,700 --> 02:01:06,000
Squad, as well as discussing 
other aspects to Life as a 

2416
02:01:06,008 --> 02:01:09,200
bastard in those regions or in 
general. 

2417
02:01:09,200 --> 02:01:11,600
There's a lot more comparisons 
to make a lot more characters to

2418
02:01:11,600 --> 02:01:13,800
bring into the fold because 
there's a lot of bastard 

2419
02:01:13,800 --> 02:01:16,900
characters in this world will 
also at some Future Point. 

2420
02:01:16,900 --> 02:01:19,700
Discuss some medieval 
comparisons some real-world 

2421
02:01:19,700 --> 02:01:23,200
comparisons. 
Not just in Europe, the places 

2422
02:01:23,200 --> 02:01:24,200
and other places. 
Well, because that would be 

2423
02:01:24,208 --> 02:01:26,000
interesting to see. 
Just get an idea what that's 

2424
02:01:26,000 --> 02:01:28,000
like a frankly. 
Don't know what that's like as 

2425
02:01:28,000 --> 02:01:29,900
I'm saying it. 
I don't know what, you know, a 

2426
02:01:29,907 --> 02:01:33,100
bastard of a Chinese emperor, 
what their status would be, the 

2427
02:01:33,100 --> 02:01:38,200
probably depends on the time and
place and other factors but they

2428
02:01:38,200 --> 02:01:41,000
also would marry like 50 women 
at once and those would all be 

2429
02:01:41,000 --> 02:01:43,200
legitimate. 
That's a whole different thing 

2430
02:01:44,000 --> 02:01:46,900
anyway and that would probably 
apply to some stuff in essos as 

2431
02:01:46,900 --> 02:01:48,300
well to help us understand some 
of that stuff. 

2432
02:01:48,300 --> 02:01:51,900
So, plenty more to go on this 
topic and Many other topics that

2433
02:01:51,900 --> 02:01:53,500
we have for you in history of 
Westeros. 

2434
02:01:54,600 --> 02:01:58,500
Bar trivia answer. 
The last person with a bastard 

2435
02:01:58,500 --> 02:02:03,500
named to appear on Page in a 
dance of dragons, is Jon Snow 

2436
02:02:05,200 --> 02:02:07,200
kind of a trick question. 
Their purpose is actually don't 

2437
02:02:07,200 --> 02:02:09,700
get that and then who got more 
in their head and they went and 

2438
02:02:09,700 --> 02:02:12,600
tried guessing other people. 
And but yeah, we did get 

2439
02:02:12,600 --> 02:02:14,300
multiple people. 
Who guest John cool. 

2440
02:02:14,300 --> 02:02:16,300
Yeah. 
Because there's none in Kevin's 

2441
02:02:16,300 --> 02:02:19,200
epilogue chapter, the chapter 4 
that is Danny 10. 

2442
02:02:19,200 --> 02:02:21,700
Which is first a i scrolled back
to being the first person to 

2443
02:02:21,700 --> 02:02:24,000
guess what? 
Christina que tiene que well 

2444
02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:25,200
done. 
Well done in darkness. 

2445
02:02:25,200 --> 02:02:27,000
Shame. 
And then some people really 

2446
02:02:27,100 --> 02:02:28,800
well, let's see. 
Yeah, I checked the book and 

2447
02:02:28,800 --> 02:02:32,100
stared, John's the stabbing 
chapter is the last time a snow 

2448
02:02:32,100 --> 02:02:34,700
flowers, sander etcetera, 
appears on screen. 

2449
02:02:35,200 --> 02:02:37,000
And I'm serious. 
And is mentioned. 

2450
02:02:37,000 --> 02:02:39,000
Yeah, it's an epilogue but you 
got in it. 

2451
02:02:39,000 --> 02:02:40,400
Yeah. 
That is why people Scott into 

2452
02:02:40,400 --> 02:02:43,300
the debate about what is a peer 
mean because I like someone else

2453
02:02:43,300 --> 02:02:45,700
said my Marius and but 
technically she doesn't appear. 

2454
02:02:45,700 --> 02:02:48,300
That's an astute guess even 
though, technically not the 

2455
02:02:48,300 --> 02:02:50,100
right answer. 
But good job. 

2456
02:02:50,100 --> 02:02:52,800
Anyone who thought of nymeria 
because he was mentioned, that's

2457
02:02:52,800 --> 02:02:54,200
a good call. 
All right. 

2458
02:02:54,400 --> 02:02:57,100
The next week is trial by Theory
a couple episodes. 

2459
02:02:57,100 --> 02:02:59,700
We mentioned throughout along 
the way here, a poison gifts, 

2460
02:02:59,700 --> 02:03:02,800
episode mystery Knight episodes 
where Glendon flowers is 

2461
02:03:02,800 --> 02:03:05,300
featured as lots of about 
bastardy or just a general dunk 

2462
02:03:05,300 --> 02:03:07,200
and egg episodes. 
There's other things there 

2463
02:03:07,200 --> 02:03:10,500
because Duncan's often treated a
lot like the way a bastard would

2464
02:03:10,500 --> 02:03:13,600
be treated. 
There's some overlap there, Age 

2465
02:03:13,600 --> 02:03:16,500
of Heroes episodes are relevant 
because of Garth. 

2466
02:03:16,500 --> 02:03:19,200
And some of these other folks 
like lann the clever, which of 

2467
02:03:19,200 --> 02:03:21,900
course brings to mind, the 
casterly rock episode that we 

2468
02:03:21,900 --> 02:03:24,000
did probably some other ones as 
well. 

2469
02:03:24,300 --> 02:03:26,700
Well, you say goodbye. 
Can I give you a cat? 

2470
02:03:26,900 --> 02:03:29,200
You could give me a cat. 
That would be cool. 

2471
02:03:29,200 --> 02:03:31,000
Is there a cat nearby to be on 
my lap? 

2472
02:03:31,000 --> 02:03:32,500
I'm gonna get up and hand you to
him. 

2473
02:03:32,500 --> 02:03:35,500
So you keep saying, if I'm going
to stand up and give this, yeah,

2474
02:03:35,600 --> 02:03:39,000
I will thank you to those of you
who came to watch live. 

2475
02:03:39,400 --> 02:03:42,200
If you were here today, we 
always appreciate that. 

2476
02:03:42,200 --> 02:03:43,900
It's it adds a bit to the 
discussion. 

2477
02:03:43,900 --> 02:03:45,800
Sometimes, you'll catch things 
that we wouldn't have. 

2478
02:03:45,800 --> 02:03:48,200
That allows us to include it in 
the episode, which is better, 

2479
02:03:48,400 --> 02:03:50,700
then including it in a future 
episode, because hey, why not 

2480
02:03:50,700 --> 02:03:53,100
get it all in the end of the 
umbrella of belonging? 

2481
02:03:53,300 --> 02:03:57,800
Here's Ava coming to get in my 
lap like a good boy. 

2482
02:03:59,000 --> 02:04:00,900
Thanks. 
Big time to Nina for all her 

2483
02:04:00,900 --> 02:04:03,200
help and takes we. 
Like I said, at the beginning, 

2484
02:04:03,200 --> 02:04:06,100
we did a lot of looking into 
sigils to try. 

2485
02:04:06,100 --> 02:04:08,800
Maybe figure a few of these 
things out for guesses, and just

2486
02:04:09,100 --> 02:04:12,300
help me just refresh myself on 
the sigils. 

2487
02:04:12,300 --> 02:04:14,900
And clearly, I need that from 
time to time, when I can't even 

2488
02:04:14,900 --> 02:04:18,700
think of, you know, Donald noise
name is, I forgot lens sell a 

2489
02:04:18,700 --> 02:04:20,500
few weeks ago to. 
It's like I know who it is. 

2490
02:04:20,500 --> 02:04:22,500
The name is just slipped. 
That's why I'm doing a reread 

2491
02:04:22,500 --> 02:04:25,300
right now to get myself. 
Shake off the rust, the rusty 

2492
02:04:25,300 --> 02:04:26,500
flowers. 
Yeah. 

2493
02:04:27,100 --> 02:04:30,800
Thanks as well to Joey. 
Jesse and bran for helping us 

2494
02:04:30,800 --> 02:04:33,700
with our intro, right? 
That helpless doing our intros 

2495
02:04:33,800 --> 02:04:37,400
are songs and Michael far field 
is included in that we discuss 

2496
02:04:37,400 --> 02:04:40,900
the video stuff. 
We have had a variety of intros 

2497
02:04:40,900 --> 02:04:44,800
over the years that we use for 
different structured episodes 

2498
02:04:44,800 --> 02:04:48,200
depending on the topic in style.
So we have had a lot of great 

2499
02:04:48,200 --> 02:04:51,700
help from our friends on that 
and we appreciate that, we will 

2500
02:04:51,700 --> 02:04:54,100
see you all next week for more. 
And you know what to do, in the 

2501
02:04:54,108 --> 02:04:57,400
meantime Bell, are we weeks?