1
00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:29,560
In 258 on Essos, another 
challenge rose to Aegon's reign 

2
00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:34,520
when 9 outlaws, exiles, pirates,
and cell sword captains met in 

3
00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,520
the disputed land beneath the 
Tree of Crowns to form an unholy

4
00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:40,840
alliance. 
The Band of Nine swore their 

5
00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,680
oath of mutual aid and support 
in carving out kingdoms for each

6
00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,200
of their members. 
Among them was the last 

7
00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:51,000
Blackfyer, Meilis the Monstrous,
who had command of the Golden 

8
00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,200
Company, and the Kingdom they 
pledged to win for him was the 

9
00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,960
Seven Kingdoms. 
Prince Duncan, when told of the 

10
00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,160
pact, famously remarked that 
crowns were being sold 9 a 

11
00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,600
penny. 
Thereafter, the Band of Nine 

12
00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,519
became known as the Ninepenny 
Kings in Westeros. 

13
00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:09,040
It was thought at 1st that the 
Free Cities of Essos would 

14
00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,080
surely bring their power against
them and put an end to their 

15
00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,680
pretensions, but nonetheless 
preparations were made should 

16
00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,400
Nelis and his allies turn on the
Seven Kingdoms. 

17
00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,880
Yeah, welcome back my fellow 
Westorians. 

18
00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,600
That is a great quote to start 
this fun episode off about 

19
00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:28,960
Nelis, the Montras and the 9 
Penny Kings and the Band of 

20
00:01:28,960 --> 00:01:31,680
Nine. 
When Septon Mehrabald gave his 

21
00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:35,360
famous Broken Man speech, one of
the more memorable and moving 

22
00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:39,400
passages in the entire series of
books, this was the war he was 

23
00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,160
talking of. 
Of course he was Speaking of war

24
00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,720
in general, but he himself 
fought in the war of 9 Penny 

25
00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,000
Kings, and it's the one that he 
remembers most clearly. 

26
00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,200
Most personal. 
I think it's fair to say Robert 

27
00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,160
Trebellion was a war that did a 
lot to define the lives of the 

28
00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,840
men and women who came of age 
roughly 20 years before Song of 

29
00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,800
Ice and Fire started. 
The war that defined their 

30
00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,400
fathers and mothers generation. 
However, if any did, was the War

31
00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,440
of 956. 
Like Robert's Rebellion, there 

32
00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,160
are huge gaps in our knowledge 
of what actually transpired 

33
00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,400
during it, but we know quite a 
lot, and the world we're given 

34
00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,640
is so well defined that we can 
extrapolate quite a bit more 

35
00:02:16,640 --> 00:02:18,720
too. 
Fire and blood, too, is a long 

36
00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,520
way away. 
Maybe a long, long way away, but

37
00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,080
that's when we could expect to 
fill the rest of those gaps. 

38
00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:26,960
At least some of them. 
But there's a good chance we get

39
00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,480
quite a bit more in detail in 
The Winds of Winter, too. 

40
00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,680
After all, we have a Jon 
Connington as POV and the Golden

41
00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,520
Company are heavily involved in 
the plot and more. 

42
00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,400
The Dance of the Dragons and the
Black Fire rebellions are both 

43
00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,760
full of foreshadowing for the 
plot lines of Young Griff and 

44
00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:44,080
Jon Snow. 
Thus Daenerys as well, and thus 

45
00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,640
Illyrio and Varis and Jon 
Connington and Tyrion and so 

46
00:02:47,640 --> 00:02:50,480
many others. 
On top of that, Rob's will hangs

47
00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,560
over the story still. 
And when that plot line issue 

48
00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,680
was first introduced in A Storm 
of Swords, it was also the 

49
00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:00,120
introduction of the Black Fires.
The first mention is by Stannis,

50
00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,280
IEA guy from the House, also 
founded by a particularly 

51
00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:07,120
prominent Targaryen bastard by 
the name of Oris Baratheon. 

52
00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,240
To be clear, elements of the 
Blackfires were introduced right

53
00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,960
away in A Game of Thrones. 
We get the story of Egon the 

54
00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,960
Unworthy, his brother Amon the 
Dragon Knight, their sister 

55
00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,600
Nerys, and the dispute over 
Deron the goods heritage. 

56
00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,720
Bloodraven is obviously present 
from the get go as well, even if

57
00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:25,040
his name isn't. 
But it wasn't fully fleshed out.

58
00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,520
The name Blackfire hadn't been 
conceived when A Game of Thrones

59
00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:29,800
was published. 
Point being that Black Fire's 

60
00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,560
being tied to Rob's will and 
Young Griff etcetera means that 

61
00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:36,120
they are still lessons untold 
from that era that could provide

62
00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:37,720
groundwork for A Song of Ice and
Fire. 

63
00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,880
Now after Rob's will and the tie
insurance to the earlier plot 

64
00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,640
lines like Eamon the Dragon 
Knight and Bloodraven, Black 

65
00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,320
fire related history starts 
popping up semi regularly. 

66
00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,280
Both in a Song of ice fire. 
Such as possibility Young Griff 

67
00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:53,200
himself is of black fired scent 
and or that Illyrio may have 

68
00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,400
black fire the sword itself. 
Dance with Dragons has the most 

69
00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,520
Blackfire stuff of any of the 5A
Song of Ice and Fire novels, and

70
00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,720
it surrounds plot lines that are
yet to be resolved. 

71
00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,880
Meaning it's very likely George 
R Martin will include more 

72
00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,720
Blackfire lore in The Winds of 
Winter, not just fire and blood 

73
00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,680
too. 
If we're right about that, then 

74
00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,240
it's good for us all to be well 
aware of the most recent 

75
00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,800
Blackfire activity, which was 
only, like I said, about 20 

76
00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,519
years before Robert's Rebellion.
Heck, a current POV character 

77
00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,959
slew may lease the mantras in 
single combat and it would. 

78
00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:26,800
All it would take is for that 
character Barristan the Bold to 

79
00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,520
think about that for a few 
minutes to give us a fantastic 

80
00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,360
mini story within the greater 
story. 

81
00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,800
Like 2 paragraphs of memory from
Barristan would do a lot right 

82
00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:37,880
there. 
Other non POV characters or 

83
00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:39,800
possibilities too. 
The Blackfish fought in the war 

84
00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,040
Ninepenny Kings for example. 
Stannis's father Stefan died in 

85
00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,080
a shipwreck but he fought in 
this war and his father meaning 

86
00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,960
Stannis's grandfather Lord Orman
was named commander of the 

87
00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,520
Westerosi armies. 
So when the Blackfire plot 

88
00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,520
peaks, which might be in The 
Winds of Winter, we'll know what

89
00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,560
we're dealing with as well as 
anyone in this fan. 

90
00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,000
Many people out there not 
listening to this episode will 

91
00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,560
read more about Meilis and the 
other 9 Penny Kings and think 

92
00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,000
that's cool. 
They'll have a great time with 

93
00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,320
it. 
That's a credit to George 

94
00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,480
because with even even without a
deep dive, it's fun. 

95
00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,560
But you'll read it and it'll hit
so much harder because you'll 

96
00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,640
know so much more. 
Learning the rest of what there 

97
00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,080
is to know about these 
characters will pay off, but 

98
00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,560
there are great stories here all
on their own as well. 

99
00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,640
Not only do we have a cast of 
little known characters that 

100
00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:23,840
will flesh out, but there's 
quite a bit of action from 

101
00:05:23,840 --> 00:05:25,400
familiar characters in their 
younger days. 

102
00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,360
In addition to Barristan the 
Bold, Blackfish and Stannis's 

103
00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,040
grand sire Lord Orman, this 
episode will include the White 

104
00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,360
Bull, Gerald Hightower poster, 
Tully and his friendship with a 

105
00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,400
certain Lord Baelish Tywin and 
Kevin Lannister, the Red Lion, 

106
00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,920
Roger of House reign, Prince 
Aries Not so mad back then, 

107
00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,160
Aegon the Unlikely AKA Egg, 
Kelon Greyjoy, the father of 

108
00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,840
Bailon, Huron, Victorian and 
Huron, and of course Septon 

109
00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:53,240
Mehrabald. 
So greetings everybody, with me 

110
00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,920
as always. 
Is Shaya handling all the 

111
00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:57,480
different tasks behind the 
scenes? 

112
00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,640
We actually have worked things 
out so that she can speak during

113
00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:02,560
our guest episodes. 
At last, we had to work around 

114
00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,760
some technology. 
Some of y'all may not be aware 

115
00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:06,440
that Google Hangouts is no 
longer a thing. 

116
00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,680
And we've been moving around 
trying to figure out new setups 

117
00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,880
outside of Google Hangouts and 
well, it's hasn't been easy. 

118
00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,680
But also I want to welcome with 
that in mind, with this 

119
00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,840
technology in mind, all these 
challenges, our returning guest,

120
00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,160
Steven Atwell of Race for the 
Iron Throne. 

121
00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,720
Welcome back, Steven. 
Hey, it's great to be here. 

122
00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,440
Right on. 
So let's talk about real quickly

123
00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,920
what you've been up to. 
You, it's been a little while 

124
00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,080
since you've been on, and you've
probably done well. 

125
00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:35,520
I know you've done lots of 
things since then. 

126
00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:36,720
So why don't you let everybody 
know? 

127
00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,280
People who maybe haven't been 
keeping up and close as they 

128
00:06:39,280 --> 00:06:41,680
should, or who haven't paid 
attention in the last week or 

129
00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:42,600
two, let them know what you're 
doing. 

130
00:06:43,280 --> 00:06:47,600
Sure. 
So most recently I hit the 50% 

131
00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:52,800
mark in Storm of Swords. 
That's a brand 3, the, you know,

132
00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,920
Queen's Crown and the, you know,
Hodor, stop bodering. 

133
00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:04,960
I just finished John 5, which is
where he escapes from the the 

134
00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:10,800
rating party and that is 
actually available for my 

135
00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,080
patrons right now and it'll be 
up for everyone else tomorrow. 

136
00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:19,080
And in other stuff, you know, 
now that I like I, I, I don't 

137
00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,280
know, I got a first of 
inspiration with John 5, but I'm

138
00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:26,000
looking to do some like more 
thematic essays for a while. 

139
00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,720
Just, you know, take a bit of a 
break from just doing nothing 

140
00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,720
but Storm of Swords. 
So I want to write about Duncan 

141
00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:37,200
Egg, which is obviously relevant
to the War of 19 Kings, and I 

142
00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,400
have a couple other projects 
like that. 

143
00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:40,720
Find out. 
Cool sounds. 

144
00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:41,960
Sounds really good. 
Yeah. 

145
00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,600
You're always staying super busy
and putting out lots of good 

146
00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:46,600
content. 
It's similar for us. 

147
00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,120
We've just gotten through Clash 
of Kings, so it's nice for us to

148
00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:50,720
do something a little different 
because we've been, we've been 

149
00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,400
deep in our reread over here as 
well. 

150
00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,320
And this is nice for a change of
pace. 

151
00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,440
And it's a topic we've been 
wanting to do for a while. 

152
00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,120
And we've known for a while that
it would be you that we did it 

153
00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:00,360
with. 
We've been talking about this 

154
00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:04,200
for a long time, so a couple of 
shout outs for us and a quick 

155
00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,040
announcement or two before we 
get going and then, well, we'll 

156
00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,160
get going. 
Thanks to History of Westeros 

157
00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:14,520
First Sword, Jeff Gnarly the 
Long Snapper, and thanks also to

158
00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:18,480
Tulaneous the Talon, King of 
Gagasos, rider of Tellurius the 

159
00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,800
Red dragon with scales, horns 
and talons of midnight black. 

160
00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,640
You can support us on Patreon at
patreon.com/history of Westeros.

161
00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,680
You can find a variety of levels
and benefits and things that you

162
00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,679
that suit you. 
Things like episodes early and 

163
00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,400
shout outs and access to our 
scripts are included as 

164
00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,320
possibilities. 
Thank you to Tommy Pappas who is

165
00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,799
one of our patrons who sent a 
very generous super chat saying 

166
00:08:41,799 --> 00:08:46,200
in your best German accent, is 
it now the war of 999 Penny 

167
00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,120
Kings? 
It's like, what does that show? 

168
00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,840
We should do a mash up. 
It's that Brooklyn, 99 Penny 

169
00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:57,600
Kings, something like that. 
Yeah. 99 Luft Penny Kings. 

170
00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,680
Yeah, something like that. 
A lot of that stuff I said at 

171
00:09:01,680 --> 00:09:03,840
the beginning was my own 
thoughts, but I wanted to get 

172
00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:05,360
you to weigh in on some of that 
as we get started. 

173
00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:09,520
Steven, do you agree with my 
take that T wow will be fairly 

174
00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,800
heavily black fire as far as as 
far as whatever heavy black fire

175
00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,000
means, but weigh in on that. 
I'm curious what you think 

176
00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:16,680
about. 
Sure. 

177
00:09:16,680 --> 00:09:21,760
So, I mean, you've already kind 
of identified some of the most 

178
00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:26,520
obvious suspects, right, Sir 
Barristan, John Connington, 

179
00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:30,200
Young Griff, all of that. 
I definitely think that's right.

180
00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,800
I think there's some other 
possibilities as well, right? 

181
00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,240
Peter Baelish is very much part 
of Sansa's story. 

182
00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,640
You know, it's possible that, 
you know, Ford arrives at the 

183
00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:45,640
Golden Company, landing in the 
Stormlands that like, he might 

184
00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:49,160
have something to say about his 
father, who he hasn't really 

185
00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:50,720
talked. 
About that much, No, he hasn't. 

186
00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:52,840
That's true. 
You know, it. 

187
00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,240
It's funny. 
It's like in a series where like

188
00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,920
so many people are absolutely 
consumed by like daddy issues, 

189
00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,280
he he's he's got pathologies of 
his own, but that doesn't seem 

190
00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:07,160
to be hugely one of them. 
And yeah, I mean Tyrion 

191
00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:10,880
chapters, as you said, another 
good, another good possibility. 

192
00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,800
Yeah, he has that dream about 
looking kind of like Malius 

193
00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:18,120
himself when has the head. 
Yeah, and the, the, yeah, the 

194
00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,680
the one that's laughing and the 
one that's crying. 

195
00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:23,760
Just a hell of an image. 
Yeah, right. 

196
00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:25,960
That's just bizarre. 
Like it's is that magical? 

197
00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:27,880
Is that predictive? 
Is that just him thinking about 

198
00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:29,120
it? 
It's one of those things where. 

199
00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,600
You can't really metaphorical. 
So yeah. 

200
00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:38,560
So I think, yeah, we're probably
going to see a good bit of black

201
00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:40,400
fire stuff and the Golden 
Company. 

202
00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:45,600
I I guess the question is like 
depending on when we think 

203
00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:50,200
Daenerys gets to Westeros in the
Winds of Winter. 

204
00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,080
That's a big question. 
Is it the very end of the book? 

205
00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,960
Is it halfway through the book? 
I feel like towards the end, 

206
00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,840
because she's still at, she's 
not even gotten to base Dothrak 

207
00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:01,720
yet, you know, and she's 
probably headed there. 

208
00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:03,560
Yeah. 
You know, it depends. 

209
00:11:03,560 --> 00:11:06,440
On how it it depends on how many
chapters right? 

210
00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:10,200
If this is like, you know, 
'cause at times we've had like 

211
00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:14,080
only, you know, four or five 
Daenerys chapters in the book, 

212
00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,760
and in other times you have more
like 13. 

213
00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:21,040
So depending on how many 
chapters you know there are 

214
00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:26,000
there are to work with, I think 
that determines how much both 

215
00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:31,160
sort of screen time and sort of 
distance she can travel without 

216
00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:35,440
it seeming like the sort of like
late season HBO. 

217
00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,960
Called Littlefinger virus just 
like how did he get there so 

218
00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,120
fast? 
OK good point. 

219
00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,120
Yeah. 
So let's say I said at the 

220
00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,400
beginning of this episode, this 
episode, I've been calling it 

221
00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:49,840
this episode, But as we were 
working on this and we realize 

222
00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,440
that we have enough in from 
enough material here for two 

223
00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,360
episodes. 
So this is very likely Part 1. 

224
00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,520
We'll see how far we get, but 
I'm expecting this to be two 

225
00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,520
episodes. 
We'll do a lot of setup and 

226
00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,440
talking about the band of nine 
and and Meilis and then what's 

227
00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,000
going on in the West, the 
Westeros side. 

228
00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:08,040
And by Part 2 slash the end of 
Part 1, we'll be talking about 

229
00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:09,560
the war itself. 
And then we're getting into the 

230
00:12:09,560 --> 00:12:12,520
aftermath and the aftermath is 
really, really huge. 

231
00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,120
It's one of the mediast parts of
this of this series because as, 

232
00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,000
as we alluded between the 
beginning, it's it's a defining 

233
00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,760
moment. 
So for so many elder characters 

234
00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:24,400
and and thus their children were
also impacted by the the law of 

235
00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:29,880
passing down, you know, war from
generation to generation, which 

236
00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:31,520
is a law, right? 
That is how it worked. 

237
00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,440
So let's go into the band of 
nine penny kings. 

238
00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,640
So let's get into who these guys
were, where they were from and 

239
00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:41,560
all that. 
This first section is called The

240
00:12:41,560 --> 00:12:45,200
Dragon Must have Two Heads and 
got a quote for you. 

241
00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:50,280
Captain of the Golden Company, 
named for his grotesquely huge 

242
00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:54,320
torso in arms, fearsome 
strength, and savage nature. 

243
00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:58,360
A second head grew from his 
neck, no bigger than a fist. 

244
00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:02,160
He won command of the Golden 
Company by fighting his cousin 

245
00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,960
Damon Blackfyre for it, killing 
his cousin's destrier with a 

246
00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:10,240
single punch and then twisting 
Damon's head until it was torn 

247
00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,720
from his shoulders. 
Other than perhaps Damon 

248
00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,800
Blackfyre himself, no one is as 
important to the Blackfyre 

249
00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,120
rebellions as better steep. 
The dynasty was launched by 

250
00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,480
Damon, but Agor saved the 
Blackfyre family and sword, 

251
00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:28,760
protected them and the sword, 
and facilitated the 3rd and 4th 

252
00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:30,720
rebellions themselves, not the 
second. 

253
00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,840
He didn't back that one, as 
we've covered the past. 

254
00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,320
So you could say that the Black 
Fire cause exists to the blood 

255
00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,200
of Damon and the sweat of 
Bittersteel. 

256
00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,080
Adding way to this importance, 
after Bittersteel's death, which

257
00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,480
came decades after Damon's, 
there were no more Black Fire 

258
00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,400
rebellions. 
But the blood of Damon and the 

259
00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,200
fruits of Bittersteel's labor 
did not die with either of them.

260
00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,480
The name and blood of a black 
fire, that's Damon's legacy, the

261
00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,960
Golden Company, that's 
Bittersteel's legacy. 

262
00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:03,680
And the they with both of those 
things Melee's well, that's he's

263
00:14:03,680 --> 00:14:05,760
not the kind of character you 
would expect to combine those 

264
00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:11,040
legacies, but he's never on 
screen. 

265
00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:18,040
But his skulls are quote. 
The Captain General's tent was 

266
00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,680
made of cloth, and was made of 
cloth of gold and surrounded by 

267
00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,480
a ring of Pikes topped with 
gilded skulls. 

268
00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:29,440
One skull was larger than the 
rest, grotesquely malformed. 

269
00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:33,720
Below it was a second, no 
larger, no larger than a child's

270
00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:37,320
fist, Naley's the monstrous and 
his nameless brother. 

271
00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:41,360
The other skulls had a sameness 
to them, though several had been

272
00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,920
cracked and splintered by the 
blows that had slain them, and 

273
00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:48,720
one had filed pointed teeth. 
So that's John Connington 

274
00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,000
returning to the Golden Company 
after so long and taking a look 

275
00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,200
at the skulls. 
That is a really, that is a 

276
00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,400
brilliant Pat paragraph because 
it gives us lots of fun 

277
00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,560
historical information, but it 
also has it's very metaphorical 

278
00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:04,800
in a way that or symbolic in a 
way that the other captives of 

279
00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,600
the Golden Company are not as 
memorable as this guy, not just 

280
00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,520
because of his huge skull, but 
because of the type of person he

281
00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:13,720
was and because of the things he
did. 

282
00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:17,040
Do you have any comments on 
that, on that quote, Steven? 

283
00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:17,920
It's such a good. 
Yeah. 

284
00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:22,080
Well, you know, partly it's the 
sort of idea that like in death,

285
00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,000
our individuality is stripped 
away. 

286
00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:28,080
It's that whole like toten tons 
thing that you see in in 

287
00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:33,520
especially in like medieval 
German art literature where 

288
00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,280
you're, you know, people are 
literally like taking off their 

289
00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:40,160
flesh as if it's clothing and 
underneath were all skeletons. 

290
00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:48,320
But Malus retains some level of 
his sort of, shall we say, 

291
00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:53,320
larger than life nature. 
Although I have to say I like 

292
00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,600
the one with the the filed 
pointed teeth. 

293
00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,160
I'm. 
So curious about that guy Martin

294
00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:05,760
has a a a way of building in 
mystery with very few words, and

295
00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:07,680
that's a great example. 
I I think. 

296
00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,960
Is it the juggles nigh that have
that file their teeth or there 

297
00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,200
there's some group in in Essos 
that do? 

298
00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,560
I think you might be right, but 
I did not look that up. 

299
00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:17,920
That's a good. 
That's a good question. 

300
00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:24,320
But it definitely suggests that 
this, like this legacy of cause 

301
00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,880
'cause you normally think, 
right, You know, in, in all the 

302
00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:30,440
rest of the series, heads on 
Pikes is what you do to your 

303
00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:30,880
enemy. 
Yeah. 

304
00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:36,160
Not to your past. 
It's it's, you know, here it's 

305
00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:41,920
like transformed into this, this
like honor, this funeral honor. 

306
00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:46,640
And of course, you know, it is 
that started with bitter steel. 

307
00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:50,400
He commanded that this be done 
in part because he sort of 

308
00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:54,480
wanted to see victory. 
And, you know, even in death, 

309
00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:58,680
you know, it's part of this 
whole thing where like his feud 

310
00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,480
with Bloodraven, right, 
continues past a normal human 

311
00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:06,359
lifespan that, you know, he 
wasn't a sorcerer. 

312
00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:10,920
Who could, you know, extend his 
life by, you know, getting 

313
00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:14,640
hooked up to a free IV? 
But you know, he could, he could

314
00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:20,960
build this human institution and
in that way sort of live on as 

315
00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:25,359
this kind of legend and Odom. 
It's really good. 

316
00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:26,760
Yeah. 
That's that's really well said. 

317
00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,640
And he is. 
It's true too, because you like 

318
00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:31,080
it. 
Like he just kind of how he 

319
00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:35,040
inverted cell swords by making 
them loyal, like loyal and 

320
00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,600
dependable and professional. 
He's inverted this concept of 

321
00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,240
the heads on Pikes. 
I never thought about it that 

322
00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:41,040
way. 
That's really good. 

323
00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:45,520
Take Maley's the the name is a 
feminine form of a branch branch

324
00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:51,120
French slash Breton named Mael. 
MAEL meaning chief or Prince. 

325
00:17:51,120 --> 00:17:53,080
So I wonder if George was 
playing with that or if that's 

326
00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,080
just a coincidence. 
Now, I think there's some very 

327
00:17:56,080 --> 00:18:00,720
clear comparisons to Gregor 
slash Magor here. 

328
00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,200
Now Gregor and Magor have a lot 
of comparisons to each other. 

329
00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:08,880
So this guy is kind of like part
of that triumvirate of, of type 

330
00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,120
of characters like this. 
He has Megor's sort of similar 

331
00:18:12,120 --> 00:18:16,920
heritage and upbringing and and 
Gregor's more of Gregor's 

332
00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,000
deformed size. 
He's not as big as Gregor, but 

333
00:18:20,120 --> 00:18:23,600
instead of the nasty headaches, 
he has a second head. 

334
00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:28,520
Instead of being, you know, 
killing his, potentially killing

335
00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,800
his father, he may have killed 
his when he killed his cousin 

336
00:18:32,360 --> 00:18:34,200
Gregor, who may have killed his 
own father. 

337
00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,800
Well, and his his brother. 
Yeah, yeah. 

338
00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:37,800
Tried to kill his own brother, 
right. 

339
00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,280
So this is clearly the Kinslang 
stuff, is there? 

340
00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:44,000
Then you have this sort of 
aspect of undeath around them. 

341
00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:48,120
Gregor is obviously a product of
necromancy at this point. 

342
00:18:48,120 --> 00:18:51,280
Whether he's technically dead or
ever dead doesn't really matter.

343
00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,040
That aura surrounds him. 
That concept. 

344
00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,080
Magor sort of the same. 
He was in a coma for 28 days and

345
00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:00,880
then mysteriously rose when 
Tiana Sorceress Tiana came and 

346
00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,240
worked with him. 
So there's well, or, or that 

347
00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,440
could be his his mother. 
Yeah, you're right. 

348
00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:09,040
Either way, it's something kind 
of unnatural. 

349
00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,520
Visenya Tiana getting getting 
dirty with all that. 

350
00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,960
I don't know what they did, but 
it's a similar kind of idea. 

351
00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,320
Maely's, meanwhile, there's less
sorcery, but he's carrying 

352
00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,280
around a dead twin with him at 
all times, so there's like this 

353
00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,120
death surrounding him as well. 
He's also got some things in 

354
00:19:24,120 --> 00:19:28,000
common with Damon Targaryen in 
that Damon Targaryen was a a 

355
00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,000
great warrior. 
He wasn't malformed or anything,

356
00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,840
but he was. 
He started off down on the chain

357
00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:34,840
and tried to work his way up. 
He was. 

358
00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:39,080
Malformed possibly on the 
inside, like yes, no, Malcolm. 

359
00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:42,240
There's like some adaptations of
Richard the third where like the

360
00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:46,840
the actor goes like very much 
into like what the deformities 

361
00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:50,800
were and then some in which like
the Richard is not deformed. 

362
00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,120
It's just his his spirit. 
That was. 

363
00:19:53,120 --> 00:19:56,600
I remember I saw one where the 
whole shtick was that the 

364
00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:00,200
hunchback and the the withered 
arm would only be there when he 

365
00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,160
was alone on stage. 
Oh, OK, interesting. 

366
00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,320
So it was more about sort of 
like this is what his soul looks

367
00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:08,920
like. 
Yeah. 

368
00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,080
So yeah, I agree with you. 
Damon Targaryen did not have a a

369
00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,640
good looking soul. 
And of course the whole business

370
00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:15,960
with the Stepstones. 
Another thing you have in 

371
00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,880
common, Damon Targaryen was King
of the Stepstones for a little 

372
00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,000
while before he surrendered his 
crown to his brother. 

373
00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:25,240
And Nailees of course, crowned 
himself and they, the band of 

374
00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,600
nine did take the Stepstones. 
So he wasn't necessarily king of

375
00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,920
the Stepstones, but he was a 
king and he and his group did 

376
00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:33,400
control the Stepstones. 
So that's pretty close. 

377
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:39,120
I wonder, it's just as a quick 
aside, what type of king Nailees

378
00:20:39,120 --> 00:20:41,120
might have been. 
I kind of think of it was 

379
00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,760
probably would have been a bit 
like mega or very, very more 

380
00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,320
like very trying to be an alpha 
male about everything, not 

381
00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:51,000
having much, not having a gentle
touch on anything, just being 

382
00:20:51,360 --> 00:20:54,400
blunt and and aggressive about. 
Yeah, I imagine he, he would 

383
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,920
have probably spent his entire 
reign, like putting down 

384
00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,960
rebellion. 
Yeah, like, that's if he got 

385
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:06,320
himself onto the Iron Throne. 
Just by that point, I I think 

386
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:12,440
things that had divided or 
diverged too much between the 

387
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:17,120
Black Fire exiles and sort of 
mainstream Westerosi society, 

388
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,000
you know what once once that. 
Occurring to me just now a 

389
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,800
comparison that might just be 
random and maybe something that 

390
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,120
George was was thinking of was 
the Roman emperor Maximinus 

391
00:21:26,120 --> 00:21:29,480
Thrax, who I'm not sure if you 
might be familiar with him. 

392
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,240
He was elected by his he was a 
soldier kind of elected by the 

393
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,680
rest of the legion he was part 
of and they just named him 

394
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,480
emperor. 
And he was a big, huge warrior 

395
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,080
that ruled kind of like what 
we're describing. 

396
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,600
He he tried to rule the empire 
like a like a soldier and that's

397
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:48,160
just did not work. 
Interesting name too, right, 

398
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:52,920
Maximinus Thrax, like 7 foot 
tall, badass Roman legionary. 

399
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,720
Like like, yeah, I'm going to 
read about that guy. 

400
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:57,760
So let's move on. 
Though. 

401
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaking of black fire the 
sword, this is a what's 

402
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,560
interesting is how it's not 
mentioned at all. 

403
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,600
It's part of the saga of the of 
the 9 Penny Kings and we're 

404
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:12,160
really just left to wonder. 
It seems like it might have been

405
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,080
lost to the Blackfyre's back all
the way back in the third 

406
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,960
Blackfyre rebellion. 
Or maybe I have a small head 

407
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,400
cannon that it could have been 
destroyed at Summerhall. 

408
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,720
Not too likely, but. 
And we have this evidence that 

409
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,920
Delirio still has it right. 
Yeah. 

410
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:31,600
I mean, my guess is that 
probably, you know, it may have 

411
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:36,640
been lost many times because, 
you know, after the 3rd right, 

412
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,400
Bittersteel gets captured and 
then escapes 'cause he has 

413
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,080
friends at court. 
And that would make sense that 

414
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,680
like if they captured it 
because, you know, it's, it 

415
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:54,720
seems fairly clear that Hagon 
Blackfyre died after having 

416
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,920
surrendered. 
You know, if that's the case, 

417
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,400
then you know, his sword would 
have fallen to the Targaryens. 

418
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,240
But I could see it disappearing 
along with Bittersteel. 

419
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,040
But then they might have lost it
again in the Fourth, because 

420
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:14,000
again, that is a case where a 
Black Fire King dies in on 

421
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:22,040
Westerosi soil and what becomes 
of of his his arms and armor and

422
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,480
of. 
Course Better Steel did escape 

423
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,080
that one too, the 4th. 
So there's, you know, maybe just

424
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,640
like he escaped the 1st and took
black fire, it's possible that 

425
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,360
would happen in the 4th. 
Of course, then the question is,

426
00:23:30,360 --> 00:23:33,960
how did he get it back? 
And well, there was, there's 

427
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,880
this been the World of Ice and 
Fire gave us a theory as to how 

428
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,920
Illyrio got his dragon eggs, 
which was and of course, I'm not

429
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,400
referring to Alyssa Farman. 
That's a theory going back even 

430
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,280
farther. 
I'm referring to the the little 

431
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,400
note in the World of Ice and 
Fire that even Aries had eggs. 

432
00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:52,560
Aries second that is, and that 
thus it would be very easy for 

433
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,560
Varus to abscond with a few eggs
and hand them over to Illyria, 

434
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,160
who then gives them to nearest. 
Why not steal the Targaryen 

435
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,000
sword in the chaos as well of 
all that? 

436
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,840
And that could be how Illyrio 
still has it or got it back as 

437
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,200
you say. 
Maybe he didn't have it then. 

438
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:11,880
Got back that that would fit the
whole Varus model of like 

439
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,680
stealing stuff and then selling 
it back to people, right? 

440
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,240
On Yeah. 
I mean, you know, arguably the 

441
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,600
whole project has been from the 
beginning to like, steal the 

442
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,200
Targaryen dynasty and then sell 
it back to Westeros. 

443
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,440
So like having the sword Black 
Fire be part of that would kind 

444
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,280
of fit the model. 
Right on. 

445
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,880
Yeah, that's that's very true. 
So let's talk about this then. 

446
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,240
Bitter Steel didn't back game in
the second in the second 

447
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,520
rebellion as we know rebellion 
in quotes there and it seems 

448
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,840
this was due to concerns over 
his personality and or 

449
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,160
capabilities. 
He did quite famously back Hagon

450
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,200
in the third and then Damon the 
third in the fourth rebellion. 

451
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:51,760
That's a little bit of a 
confusing sentence. 

452
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,360
So 2 questions. 
Who succeeded Bitter Steel after

453
00:24:55,360 --> 00:25:00,440
his death in 241? 
And what did everyone Hagor, his

454
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:04,520
predecessor and the rest think 
of Malice when he was born? 

455
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,360
So I'm going to let Steven weigh
in, but real first little 

456
00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:09,640
context. 
Maelys died in 260 and Bitter 

457
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,880
Steel died in 241, so only 19 
years before. 

458
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,160
Thus their lives very likely 
overlapped, maybe not by much, 

459
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,800
maybe only a couple years. 
But Maelys was a huge man, and 

460
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,520
huge people generally get most 
of their genetic hugeness early 

461
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,760
on. 
He probably ascended quickly. 

462
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,560
He was probably a a really good 
warrior really fast, just like 

463
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,000
Gregor and Sandor and these 
other big dudes. 

464
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,400
If he didn't, then it gets even 
more interesting because then 

465
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,200
we're looking at a scenario 
where Bittersteel knew Maelice 

466
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:40,000
when he was 8 or 9, maybe even 
11:50 if not older. 

467
00:25:40,360 --> 00:25:43,560
But Sandor killed his first man 
at age 12, so there's certainly 

468
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,320
precedent for 12 year olds who 
were warriors. 

469
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,280
Like there's a story about a 12 
year old warrior who joined the 

470
00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:54,400
infamous Yams Vikings who were 
like a Viking mercenary company 

471
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,200
in the 9th century. 
And this guy to get in this 

472
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,680
company, you had to fight one of
the existing warriors and this 

473
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,760
12 year old won his way in. 
And so it's this isn't even, you

474
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,320
know, a fantasy thing 
necessarily. 

475
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,000
And of course we know about if 
if y'all are familiar with the 

476
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,920
Janissaries who were slave 
soldiers raised from birth, 

477
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:11,600
that's pretty similar to the 
Unsullied. 

478
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,440
So we have things like this out 
there. 

479
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,960
So anyway, Steven, let me get 
your thoughts on that. 

480
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:20,680
Whether a what, whether you 
think Magor and Agor's or Mali's

481
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,160
and Agor's lives overlapped and 
what things like what people 

482
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:25,720
would have thought about this, 
this kid. 

483
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,080
Well, I mean, it's interesting 
because to to me, the the 

484
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,880
question comes back to the 
changing mechanism for 

485
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,400
leadership of the Golden 
Company, right? 

486
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,280
For most of its history, it 
seems to have been elected 

487
00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:43,840
right, the captain to become 
captain general. 

488
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:51,400
The only example we have of a 
challenge so far is Malus. 

489
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:57,360
And Malus was like the, you 
know, he he was not an equal 

490
00:26:57,360 --> 00:27:00,680
challenger. 
It was his cousin who had the 

491
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,400
command and then he was the the 
challenger. 

492
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:10,840
So, you know, part of me wonders
like, was this A to to use a 

493
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:16,200
slightly odd historical analogy,
but like Lennon on his deathbed 

494
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,680
trying arguing that don't pick 
Stalin. 

495
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,160
You know, I don't like him. 
And you know, when, when the, 

496
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,000
you know, decision is like 
what's going to happen to the 

497
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,640
next generation? 
Did Bitter still have a will? 

498
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,040
Did he name a successor? 
Was there an election? 

499
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,760
You know, if so, you know, 
probably Meili's lost that 

500
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:39,160
election because I imagine it 
was one of these scenarios where

501
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,600
he's he's certainly he was known
for having this kind of like 

502
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,320
dark charisma, right? 
He he brings other people into 

503
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,760
work with him. 
But the fact that he wasn't the 

504
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:53,840
first choice, all right, the 
fact that he had to engage in 

505
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:58,760
this kind of like almost Conan 
asked act of kinsling, right, 

506
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,680
killing a horse by punching it 
in the head. 

507
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,720
That suggests a situation where 
like, his strength and ferocity 

508
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,080
was known, but his character was
feared. 

509
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,240
But this is sort of largely 
speculation. 

510
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,000
The only thing that we know is 
that like whatever the situation

511
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:21,480
was, he clearly wasn't the first
choice because he had to to 

512
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,920
fight that duel in order to get 
the golden in able in order to 

513
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:30,000
get everything else. 
Yeah, what do you think about 

514
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,880
his his look apart from the 
obvious 2 head, you know the 

515
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,000
strange second head coming out 
of his his neck? 

516
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,840
You think he had the the silver 
hair and and purple? 

517
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:46,080
Eyes so in in every other 
instance where heavy Targaryen 

518
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,520
deformity has come up, it's 
always been in the context of of

519
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:55,040
inbreeding. 
And, you know, one of the the 

520
00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:00,400
things that you know, seems to 
have come up it, you know, is 

521
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,480
the fact that like the black 
fires prided themselves on the 

522
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:10,480
fact that Damon had more 
Targaryen blood than Daron did. 

523
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:16,440
And that didn't marry a Martel. 
He married someone who also had 

524
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:21,840
the blood of Old Valerie. 
So I can imagine them adopting a

525
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:27,160
more strict version of like 
this, you know, incestuous 

526
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:32,520
marriage in order to maintain 
that Targaryen valerian heritage

527
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:38,600
to say we are we are the true 
Targaryens, not these not fail 

528
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,040
or break spear and all these 
people who don't look like 

529
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,000
Targaryens. 
And certainly in all of the like

530
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,360
the official artwork that we've 
seen of male is the monstrous. 

531
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,240
You definitely see this like 
huge shock of silver hair. 

532
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:51,800
That's. 
True. 

533
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:56,160
And giants like he looks like, 
you know, evil Santa Claus. 

534
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:01,400
Yes, like this, this big, big 
guy with his huge beard, huge 

535
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,160
hair. 
Which is a little confusing to 

536
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,840
me because that's part of where 
I my theory that he was on the 

537
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:11,640
younger side does not really 
reflect the way he's looks in 

538
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,280
some of the official art that 
say in lights and fire. 

539
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,000
He look like you said, he looks 
like, kind of like a Santa 

540
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,120
Claus. 
It's strange seeing him without 

541
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,560
a helmet because you would 
expect, you know, in on TV you 

542
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,640
see them do that all the time so
you don't lose track of who's 

543
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,080
who. 
But in the books, guys who go 

544
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,440
into battle wear helmets and 
what kind of strange ass helmet 

545
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,440
would he have? 
I mean Thai Rash. 

546
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,040
Thai Rash is known for strange 
helmets, so they could. 

547
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:38,480
Be but also his his physical 
deformity may have actually 

548
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,800
interfered with his his armor in
that case. 

549
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,680
But I also think it it's like 
one of those things where 

550
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,840
anytime young or old, right, 
silver hair is something that we

551
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,840
associate with old people. 
So I imagine that like part of 

552
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:56,520
the thing that makes the like 
Targaryen look so otherworldly 

553
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,640
is that they look kind of 
ancient even when they're young,

554
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,120
that they're like young people 
with old people's hair. 

555
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,680
That just slightly 
disconcerting. 

556
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,480
Mike's make them seem a little 
wiser than they should be, yeah.

557
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,120
Yeah, no, little bit, little 
bit, Village of the Damned. 

558
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:21,440
And like you said, given where 
the black fires reside, which is

559
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,080
the disputed land and Thai rush 
and all that, if they didn't do 

560
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:29,080
intermarrying within their own 
line, they could pretty easily 

561
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:33,600
find more Targaryen features to 
marry into to keep the look at 

562
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,360
least. 
So unlike in Westeros where 

563
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:37,920
those things are are pretty 
rare. 

564
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,840
So I really wonder, like from a 
superstitious perspective, what 

565
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:47,520
did it seem like to the black 
fires and just the people around

566
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,280
in tyros, not necessarily black 
fires, but the people who knew 

567
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,080
and in Westeros as well, when 
this guy was born, what did they

568
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,160
think? 
I mean, it's a superstitious 

569
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,720
world. 
You got a, a person born with 

570
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,080
this really strange feature 
that's extremely, extremely rare

571
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:02,960
in the real world. 
There is precedent for such a 

572
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:07,840
thing, but it's so rare that you
can't expect that that Westeros 

573
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,800
to treat it or Essos to treat it
like a scientific anomaly. 

574
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,920
They will treat it like some 
sort of strange supernatural 

575
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,000
prodigy and. 
Yeah, I'm going to say like if 

576
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,440
we look at how they they react, 
you know how Westeros reacted to

577
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,000
Tyrion's work, like it was seen 
as a mark omen. 

578
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,400
It was seen as like the 
punishment of the gods. 

579
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,520
So I imagine like on the 
Westerosi side, they would have 

580
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,040
been like, look, this is proof, 
right? 

581
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,960
You know, this is the evil at 
the heart of the, you know, 

582
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,960
treacherous black fires. 
Yeah, it'd. 

583
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,880
Be really easy to use. 
That propaganda sells itself. 

584
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,400
I imagine like, you know, this 
is again, you know, sort of 

585
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,760
speculation fitting into my 
whole thing about him not being 

586
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,840
the second choice. 
But like, there was such an 

587
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:55,400
emphasis among the black fires 
about Damon's physical 

588
00:32:55,400 --> 00:33:02,280
perfection and the physical 
perfection of his kids that this

589
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,920
would have been, you know, that 
that malus would have been a 

590
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:11,880
subject of shame. 
And I, I think it's really the 

591
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,040
only difference, you know, 
between him and Tyrion is like, 

592
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,240
he was big enough that like, he 
could fight back. 

593
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,280
It's very hard to like, torment 
someone who's, you know, 7 foot 

594
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,560
tall and made of muscle and, you
know, very willing to. 

595
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:27,240
Kill you? 
Yeah. 

596
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,080
If Tyrion could fight like 
Jamie, people would not be 

597
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,720
making fun of him nearly as 
much. 

598
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,080
They would not call him half 
man. 

599
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:34,560
They would at least not do its 
face. 

600
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,920
Yeah, you wonder about that 
because with Tyrion, there's the

601
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,640
notion that maybe Tywin would 
have had him killed on the quiet

602
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,880
if if not for, you know, his 
connection to Joanna. 

603
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,920
Obviously, Joanna didn't stop 
him because she was dead 

604
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,800
herself. 
But, you know, he may not want 

605
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,520
to kill a child of Joanna. 
But this consideration would be 

606
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,040
different for the black fires. 
I wonder if there was any 

607
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,640
thought of just let's let this 
leave this kid out for the 

608
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:00,920
wolves. 
That's strange. 

609
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,480
It's like you said, if they were
embarrassed by it. 

610
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,040
But clearly, they did not do 
this. 

611
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,400
Yeah. 
But it depends on how many male 

612
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,840
black fires did they have left. 
Yeah, that's a good point. 

613
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,280
It may have just been him and 
his cousin, in which case, you 

614
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,520
know, if anything happens to his
cousin, he's the only one left, 

615
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:19,679
so. 
He might have been sterile too. 

616
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,679
Like, look, with that, with all 
his genetic abnormalities, it 

617
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:25,600
wouldn't be surprising if he 
couldn't have kids of his own, 

618
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:31,360
let alone people wanting to. 
That someone would marry him, I 

619
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:32,760
suppose. 
But Yikes. 

620
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,679
Really wonder whether 
Bittersteel would think it was a

621
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:38,719
good thing or not, because I 
really do think it's very likely

622
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,760
he was there for Meilis's birth.
I mean, he was meaning by there 

623
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,000
I mean alive when it happened. 
Because he's. 

624
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:45,960
Yeah. 
Meilis's death was like 19 years

625
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,560
after Bittersteel's death. 
We do know too it. 

626
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,560
Beyond this, like you said, for 
Westeros, the fact that it seems

627
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,400
they could easily spin this is 
something bad. 

628
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,679
It's worse because people 
whispered that he was born a 

629
00:34:56,679 --> 00:34:59,560
kinslayer. 
I mean, the idea that he 

630
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:04,360
consumed his own twin, well, all
everything except its head is 

631
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,800
kind of a story that you could 
see how that would spread. 

632
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,680
And that is obviously a bad bad 
thing 'cause kinslaying is so so

633
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,600
taboo and Westeros doesn't love 
cell swords either. 

634
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,480
And there wasn't much support 
for the 4th Blackfire Rebellion.

635
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,280
So let's just say it's doubtful 
people were clamoring for King 

636
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,320
Nailies. 
And he probably didn't have any 

637
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,240
alluding about that. 
He knew that they weren't 

638
00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:29,240
clamoring for him. 
He probably knew he'd have to 

639
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:32,760
take it by force. 
So in in a Clash of Kings, Boris

640
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,320
tells the council that a 2 
headed dragon had been born in 

641
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,040
Karth. 
Of course this is Daenerys 

642
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,680
birthing her Dragons and and 
Boris is probably knows that. 

643
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,840
Well, he definitely knows that. 
He's just spinning it in a way 

644
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,840
to keep the attention away from 
them. 

645
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,640
When Meilis was born, the 
equivalent would have been a 2 

646
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,240
headed dragon being born in 
Tyra. 

647
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,520
They ignored the three headed 
dragon rumor, not taking it 

648
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,760
seriously. 
And I wonder if that's kind of 

649
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,320
what happened here other than 
the the denigration and all that

650
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,200
'cause it sounds like, I mean, 
Prince Duncan is out here saying

651
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,840
yeah, 9 they're giving out nine,
you know, kings 9 a penny. 

652
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,480
But we're talking about later, 
not the the 9 Penny Kings 

653
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,360
incident is later. 
The band of nine forming in in 

654
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,160
in 258 is well past the time 
when Melees would have been 

655
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:16,280
born. 
So we're talking about two 

656
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:17,680
separate events. 
There would have been a reaction

657
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,160
to his birth and then a reaction
to him crowning himself. 

658
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,800
And I wonder if this, you know, 
how that how things went from 

659
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,200
there. 
Any thoughts on that, Steven? 

660
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:32,600
This is retcon is maybe slightly
too strong a word, but there was

661
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,080
a little bit of timeline 
adjustments. 

662
00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:40,400
Yeah, he's originally like, you 
know, a lot in the fandom were 

663
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,960
left with the impression that 
Aegon the Fifth had been king 

664
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,560
during the 9 Pity Kings. 
And then we learned it was 

665
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,960
Jeharis. 
And you know, that always kind 

666
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:53,920
of slightly wrong footed me 
because I thought the whole 

667
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:58,520
point was that like Egg, you 
know, seeing Egg growing up, 

668
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:04,160
witnessing that the Black Fire 
rebellions and taking part in 

669
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:09,480
the earlier ones that like this 
led to this decision to like 

670
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,280
rather than be on the defensive 
as the Targaryens had been in 

671
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,960
the first questionably the 
second, because that's sort of a

672
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,760
case of entrapment. 
But definitely like on the 

673
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,800
defensive in the 3rd and 4th, 
that like the decision to be 

674
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,040
like, no, this time we're going 
to stop them in the step stones.

675
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:32,680
We're not going to wait for it 
to hit Westeros. 

676
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,800
I always thought was like the 
the learning, you know, policy 

677
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,400
learning. 
So the fact that it's Joe Harris

678
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,080
the second, you know, that we 
later learned who did that 

679
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,880
always kind of slightly wrong 
footed me. 

680
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,800
But it does sort of suggest that
House Targaryen as a whole is 

681
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,920
sort of trying to be more 
decisive about this crisis, 

682
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:59,280
trying to put it to bed once and
for all after, you know, at this

683
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,360
point, you know, a generation of
turmoil. 

684
00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:04,880
It also gives the black fires a 
bit more of an opportunity 

685
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,520
because obviously with having, 
whether that was a, a, a change 

686
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:13,480
or not, it, it certainly means 
now that summer hall happens 

687
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:18,000
right before the 9th penny kings
take the step stone. 

688
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,280
So it's kind of like, well, this
might be them seeing their 

689
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:21,840
opportunity because there's a 
new regime. 

690
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,920
And like you say, Jaharius the 
second, not a not a weakling in 

691
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,000
terms of his his mental 
fortitude, but not a warrior in 

692
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,400
terms of his physical abilities.
He was he stayed home because he

693
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,000
was not capable of going on 
campaign. 

694
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,520
But you like you say, he's the 
one that was gung ho about 

695
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,200
taking the initiative. 
Yeah, that would fit a pattern 

696
00:38:41,240 --> 00:38:44,760
like we've sort of seen, you 
know, not so much, but the 

697
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:49,080
first, the first kind of 
happened by accident. 

698
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:53,400
Is is not a the the right word 
for it, but you know, the arrest

699
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:59,160
warrant being set out for Damon.
The first sort of started the 

700
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:05,000
war kind of ahead of schedule. 
But like certainly we've seen in

701
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:11,720
the later rebellions that the 
black fires wait for some sort 

702
00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:16,480
of crisis, right, Whether it's 
the great spring sickness or the

703
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:21,640
drought or an unpopular king, 
something like that, to kind of,

704
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:26,040
you know, give them an Ed, you 
know, and you know, you can sort

705
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,240
of see this, you know, you know,
maybe this time it's like 

706
00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:31,600
getting tips on horses for like 
gambling addicts. 

707
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,960
You know, maybe this time, you 
know, I've got the I've got the 

708
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,600
good scoop. 
I've got the inside line. 

709
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,400
That could be sort of 
propaganda, like a propaganda 

710
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:43,800
battle. 
The Westerosi would say, oh, 

711
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,840
look, Maelice is born a 
kinslayer. 

712
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,000
He's got all the genetic flaws. 
It's clearly, he's clearly a bad

713
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,080
omen for the Blackfires. 
And then they could turn around 

714
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,120
and say, Oh yeah, well, look at 
Summer Hall. 

715
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,320
What does that say? 
What does that say about 

716
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,560
ominousness, y'all? 
Oh, and Kinslang. 

717
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,840
Yeah, and Kinslang, you just 
killed, you just killed your own

718
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,720
dynasty there, Aegon. 
So yeah, that's, that's a pretty

719
00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:06,000
tough one. 
That's a tough sell. 

720
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,440
You can see that the propaganda 
battle being pretty fierce on 

721
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,040
that side. 
And like you said, Aegon the 5th

722
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:15,120
wasn't worried too much about 
the black fires, maybe because 

723
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,000
of how weak the 4th Rebellion 
was. 

724
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,600
I mean he was there for that. 
And Dunk, his Kingsguard Lord 

725
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:26,040
Commander, fought in three of 
them and had so much to do 

726
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:27,200
there. 
So they may have just been that 

727
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:28,840
may have been part of the reason
why they weren't too worried 

728
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,040
about it. 
And it may have also been a 

729
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,840
little bit of remembering that 
they took it too seriously 

730
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,560
during Blood Ravens time. 
Maybe a little of we took it too

731
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,800
seriously then let's not 
overextend ourselves this time. 

732
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,080
Something like that. 
Lots of possibilities. 

733
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,840
And it's A and it's to be fair 
to them too. 

734
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,320
It is in a world of cell swords 
and and pirates and and all 

735
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:53,120
these cutthroat type individuals
expecting the band of nine to 

736
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,600
not succeed. 
I don't think that's a too much 

737
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,240
of A gamble. 
I think that is sort of a 

738
00:40:57,240 --> 00:41:00,920
reasonable expectation for a 
group of of scumbags like that 

739
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:05,800
to turn on each other. 
But apparently the the the long 

740
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,680
odds came out this time. 
So yeah, you mentioned that 

741
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:14,400
Naley's the killing of his own 
cousin to win the command of the

742
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,400
Golden Company puts puts any 
doubts to rest of whether he was

743
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,080
a kinslayer by birth or not 
'cause he certainly won after 

744
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,560
that point. 
And also, as you said, the the 

745
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,280
nomination process may have 
changed for the Golden Company. 

746
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,280
That's really interesting. 
Whether this was a one time 

747
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,760
thing where Mailee's was like, 
look, you're a coward if you 

748
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,000
refuse to fight me, or if this 
was just something that they 

749
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,560
were trying to establish like a 
lot, maybe a lot of the other 

750
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,720
sell swords thought it was a 
good policy to have the 

751
00:41:41,720 --> 00:41:44,920
strongest need them. 
But clearly, as you pointed out,

752
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:50,160
there is no way Harry Strickland
fought for command of the Golden

753
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,040
Company. 
So something has either changed 

754
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,920
or either they either was a 
temporary change or they changed

755
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,920
back so. 
Yeah, I mean it, I, I think 

756
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:03,000
that's a, a really good point, 
which is that like there's these

757
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,720
dueling principles at work, 
right? 

758
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:09,000
Command by the strongest versus 
internal solidarity, right. 

759
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,920
You don't kill your own 
comrades. 

760
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,080
Yeah. 
Because you know, if, if you 

761
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,800
know, as we've seen in the War 
of 5 Kings, right, if succession

762
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:21,920
is settled with knives, then 
it's very hard to limit it and 

763
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,440
sort of say, well, only once you
know, and then you have to stop.

764
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,760
It's like, you know, they may 
have decided like, no, an 

765
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,760
election and then that's it. 
You know, we're just going to, 

766
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,120
like, limit any political 
conflict within the group 

767
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,000
because, you know, this is what 
it leads to. 

768
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,560
So it'd be really interesting. 
Just we should consider just 

769
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:46,000
briefly that George is is going 
to be all Georgie with us here 

770
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:51,600
and and pull a actually Maliis 
was well spoken and all this 

771
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,800
other stuff that just he looked 
the way he did and had this 

772
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,760
reputation was brutal and 
savage. 

773
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,560
But there's a lot of you know, 
oh, he's got this look. 

774
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,280
So his reputation is not what he
entirely deserved. 

775
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,280
Like Tyrion. 
Tyrion's a great example. 

776
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,280
Bloodrayne, you know, these guys
had reputations. 

777
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,160
They were dirty, they were 
nasty, they did brutal things, 

778
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:14,680
but the stories told about them 
are still pumped up a few 

779
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,600
degrees, if not more. 
You definitely get the sense 

780
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,600
that like he wasn't stupid. 
Like, you know, if if there's 

781
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,800
one major difference between him
and Gregor, it's like you get 

782
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,400
the sense there was a whether he
was good with, you know, he must

783
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,800
have been good with people at 
some level, otherwise the band 

784
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,360
of of nine would not have 
formed, maybe like Robert. 

785
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,120
Not good with people where they 
just were like not charisma but 

786
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,040
they knew they could follow him 
into battle you. 

787
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,120
Know personality, but certainly 
there is a mind it. 

788
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:46,240
Yes, he, he. 
Was thinking about what would he

789
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:51,640
need to win this war in terms of
like who was in the, the, the 

790
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,720
band of eight? 
And obviously, you know, when 

791
00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:58,280
when we eventually get to the 
actual fighting itself, there is

792
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,560
some interesting strategy going 
on. 

793
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,640
Yeah, that's a great point. 
I'll allude to that briefly. 

794
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,920
And what's even referring to is 
the fact that they and the 

795
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:09,840
Golden Company and the and the 
black fires in the past mostly 

796
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,960
went straight for King's Landing
or tried to. 

797
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:16,120
And whereas this is not that 
sort sort of a campaign at all. 

798
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,160
But we'll, like Stephen said, 
we'll get to that a little 

799
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,160
later. 
Let's talk a little bit more 

800
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:25,200
about the, the, the interim time
and maybe Meili's building his 

801
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,320
reputation. 
As we said, we don't know how 

802
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:28,960
old he was. 
It's hard to guess at that. 

803
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,200
My, I intend to lean towards the
younger side because of his, you

804
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,040
know, his size and brutality and
all that. 

805
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,440
Just what this, the advantage 
that gives him to the warrior. 

806
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,280
And, and again, if if we were 
assuming that he took over the 

807
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,520
Golden Company by killing his 
cousin, let's say that was just 

808
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,000
a couple years before the Band 
of nine was formed. 

809
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,440
It's possibly longer, but it 
couldn't be a whole lot longer. 

810
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:53,440
There's only 15 years or 17 
years between the Band of Nine 

811
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,560
forming officially and the death
of Bitter Steel. 

812
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,800
So, and, and it's hard to 
imagine that Naileys didn't have

813
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,160
command of the Golden Company 
for at least a little while, a 

814
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,960
year or two, if not more, to at 
least establish a Rep to at 

815
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,840
least prove he was capable to, 
you know, if these other guys 

816
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,400
are going to join him in this 
alliance, he had to show 

817
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,000
something besides a claim And, 
and you know, being good at 

818
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,720
fighting. 
Would you would you agree with 

819
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:18,800
that? 
Yeah, cool. 

820
00:45:19,240 --> 00:45:21,520
I mean, you know, especially if 
you're a mercenary, right? 

821
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,120
You. 
You have to work all the time 

822
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:28,960
otherwise you don't get paid. 
So it it's not like you sort of 

823
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,520
you take several years off 
between wars. 

824
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,680
It's like, no, you know, what 
are we? 

825
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,240
You know, who are we fighting 
for this season? 

826
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:40,040
OK, you know, let's let's go 
there and fight. 

827
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,680
So I imagine, you know, you 
would have had, you know, at 

828
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:48,040
least a few campaigning years 
under his belt by the time, you 

829
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,200
know. 
If not, why would anyone you 

830
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:56,280
know agree to not just sort of 
work with him but like take this

831
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,080
huge gamble? 
Yeah, backing him for an 

832
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,320
invasion of Westeros. 
I mean, that is huge. 

833
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,400
Like the only time that's been 
done was with Aegon the 

834
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,880
Conqueror and Dragons. 
I mean, this is a major, major 

835
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,040
undertaking. 
So yeah, you got to really have 

836
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,520
people really got to have 
confidence in you. 

837
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,760
That's why I, I entertained the 
notion that he was actually 

838
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,280
somehow like good at speaking 
or, or anything like that. 

839
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,120
Imagine him being the son of the
Anies that was killed by 

840
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,880
Bloodraven, the one who tried to
convince the Seven Kingdoms to 

841
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,120
give him the crown. 
And maybe he was that guy's son 

842
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,280
and actually had some upbringing
that involved eloquence and 

843
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,000
learning how to speak well. 
But of course, we're just 

844
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,360
spitballing here. 
There is nothing specifically to

845
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,880
point us in that direction. 
It is just within the realm of 

846
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:39,160
possibility and that is it. 
So let's talk about some of the 

847
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:43,040
other eight members of the band.
Actually, let's not do that real

848
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:44,520
quick. 
Let's see, let's let's talk 

849
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,400
about a few questions that we 
let's let's handle a few Q&A 

850
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,720
stuff here. 
Oh my goodness. 

851
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,360
Look at is what? 
Look what is said in the Q and 

852
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:53,880
AI. 
Just scrolled to our QA section 

853
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,120
here. 
Steven, Chloe, Ketchum and 

854
00:46:56,120 --> 00:47:00,240
Emmett have gotten engaged. 
Yes, I I just saw that. 

855
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:04,520
I I took a second to to wish 
them well on Twitter. 

856
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,600
That is awesome. 
Well Congrats to Emmett Booth of

857
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:11,600
Nada Cast and Chloe of Girls 
Gone Cannon and Drunk ASOIF 

858
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,880
History who are also our our 
friends. 

859
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,000
We've hung out many times, that 
is. 

860
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,720
Awesome. 
Can we also chalk this up to a 

861
00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:21,600
win for Ice and Fire con? 
Yes, ice and fire con. 

862
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,520
Sean and Rita also met there and
they're also engaged. 

863
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:30,960
So if you're looking for your 
nerdy love interest, come to Ice

864
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:35,040
and Fire Con, my new ad for it. 
That's a good ad for it. 

865
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,880
That is a very good sell 
salesmanship job there. 

866
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,800
And yeah. 
Chloe is in charge of marketing,

867
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,120
so now she knows to be like I. 
I found my fiance. 

868
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,480
So yeah, if you are interested 
in going to Ice and Firecon, 

869
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,040
here's the sales pitch too. 
We you can get $5 off your 

870
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,640
ticket by using the code history
on your ticket price. 

871
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:59,280
Go to iceandfirecon.com and go 
to the store and see us there. 

872
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:02,080
So well, that was a fun little 
distraction. 

873
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,000
That was really cool. 
But let's let's go to the, the, 

874
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:09,840
the questions that are on topic 
here from Pat Doherty, who made 

875
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,400
this shirt blood Raven shot 
first that I'm wearing. 

876
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,480
He is a very much a fan of the 
black dragon side of things. 

877
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:20,120
So he wants to know if Maelice's
condition says anything about 

878
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,080
the black flame theories. 
Now before you answer Steven, 

879
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:27,160
I'll explain real quickly for 
those of of us who don't know 

880
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,920
what Black flame means, and also
I have my own thing to wrap up 

881
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:33,600
into this question. 
So let's have a little fun here.

882
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:37,680
Black Flame, also called Bright 
Flame or is rather related to 

883
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:41,520
bright flame is is a reference 
to Aryan as an Aryan, the one 

884
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,280
named Brightflame or Aryan 
Brightfire. 

885
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,280
He has two different nicknames. 
That's the guy who drank 

886
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,880
wildfire when he was drunk and 
it of course killed him. 

887
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:54,840
He had spent some time in the 
Free Cities particularly. 

888
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:59,640
He was, of course, sent, sent 
there on exile after the hedge 

889
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,160
night. 
And there are because of the 

890
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,200
kind of guy he was, there are 
theories that he may or may not 

891
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,320
have sired a few bastards of his
own. 

892
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,680
And if those bastards were out 
there, they may have been 

893
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,280
become, they either may have 
become somewhat important or 

894
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,680
become part of the Golden 
Company, been scooped up by 

895
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,880
these dynastic agents wanting to
grab that bloodline. 

896
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:25,360
And thus you get the combination
of Black Flyer and Bright Flame 

897
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,880
in the name Black Flame. 
So that's just a fan made name, 

898
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,120
of course. 
But I wonder. 

899
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:32,760
Yeah. 
So we, we should consider all 

900
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,880
that in light of this, whether 
we, because you, you brought 

901
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,400
this up, Steven, the idea that 
they may have been trying to 

902
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,920
play like the Targaryens and, 
and keep their dynasty pure in a

903
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,360
sense, if there was some 
Targaryen blood out there, they 

904
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:48,160
may have tried to abscond. 
With them in this case I don't 

905
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:52,720
think so because the way that 
World of Ice and Fire talks 

906
00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:56,960
about Aryan Bright Flames 
actions during the third 

907
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,280
rebellion. 
They would not be a fan of his, 

908
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,440
would they? 
Yeah, I mean, I get the sense 

909
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,280
that, like, if he didn't 
personally wield the knife to 

910
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:08,000
kill Hagon, then he was very 
much involved in that. 

911
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,840
So, you know, that's always kind
of been my problem with the this

912
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:18,240
particular theory is just that 
like, no, like if the, you know,

913
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:22,240
if the Golden Company don't like
Targaryens, they especially 

914
00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:23,760
aren't going to like this 
asshole. 

915
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:30,520
Yeah, that is very true so. 
But the other thing I wanted to 

916
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:34,720
work into this is the idea of 
the the kind of parallel concept

917
00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:39,640
of Maelice's interesting unusual
deformity in light of the 

918
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,640
deformities that have occurred, 
mutations that occurred in the 

919
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,560
Targaryen line. 
Of course, I refer to Rago and 

920
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:51,000
Maelice's or Megor's many 
strange progeny, and then the 

921
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,080
example of little Visenya 
Rainier's kid. 

922
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:58,160
And I wonder if that's sort of a
thematic parallel. 

923
00:50:58,280 --> 00:50:59,280
Do you think there's anything 
to? 

924
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:04,120
That Yeah. 
Well, you know, it's, it's a 

925
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,680
little unclear because, you 
know, I don't think like George 

926
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:07,960
is getting out of Punnett 
Square. 

927
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,040
No. 
The, the, you know, genetic load

928
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:16,000
or any of the, IT, it's more 
than just like, you get the 

929
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:20,200
sense that like Targaryen 
deformity is more about like the

930
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:24,720
spirit within, right? 
That, you know, people of bad 

931
00:51:24,720 --> 00:51:27,640
character, you know, it, it 
comes out in. 

932
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:33,120
So that may be what's going on 
with, with Maelis that like, 

933
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,200
and, and This is why I, I, I 
made the comparison to Richard. 

934
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:40,880
The third is because Thomas 
Moore wrote a, a book about 

935
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,520
Richard in which he argued that 
like Richard was born sinful. 

936
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,560
He was. 
Born a murderer, right, even 

937
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,520
before he he ever killed 
anybody. 

938
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:54,760
And you sort of get that idea 
with with Maelis that like he 

939
00:51:54,760 --> 00:52:00,840
was born having already in some 
sense committed, you know, the 

940
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,960
the most sort of, you know, 
primal sins. 

941
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,600
Yeah, certain aspects of his 
personality were defined for him

942
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,240
when he was still a baby without
actually earning or or 

943
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,400
deserving. 
Yeah, Yep, that's very true. 

944
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,160
So, yeah, that's an interesting 
point about the the particular 

945
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,480
Targaryens that have had these 
issues with their children. 

946
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,640
And of course, for bringing up 
Daenerys in that light is a 

947
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:25,240
touchy subject, but no doubt 
that it's it's a possibility. 

948
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:29,840
And it also brings us another 
parallel, which is that if Magor

949
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:34,720
was very clearly sterile or near
sort of sterile, pseudo sterile,

950
00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:37,440
and Daenerys now can't told she 
can't bear kids. 

951
00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:41,240
And now we have the same thing. 
The idea that maybe melees 

952
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:45,280
couldn't have kids because of 
well, people with lots of 

953
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:46,760
mutations like that are often 
sterile. 

954
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,400
That's just the way the world 
seems to work, genetics and 

955
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,960
biology. 
But so that's just, you know, 

956
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,040
maybe some thematic ties 
together there. 

957
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaking of the genetics here or
not genetics but more of a 

958
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,240
lineage, couple questions from 
Matt Reese. 

959
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,680
He says I would like to know who
was Damon the third's father and

960
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,960
who was Maelise's father from 
Damon the 1st 5 surviving sons. 

961
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,840
Any guesses and well. 
I think that. 

962
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,520
Hey, I wonder about this is 
tough because I wonder Hagon 

963
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:18,080
when it was killed, after he 
surrendered, after he yielded. 

964
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,600
You wonder if he had had kids 
before, whether he had I, I, I 

965
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,400
kind of guess he, there's a 
decent chance he's dead because 

966
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:29,000
it's pretty normal before King 
goes off to war, to sire and air

967
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:34,200
and kind of take care of that. 
3rd is listed as Hagon's eldest 

968
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,440
son, right? 
So that means that he had at 

969
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,080
least 2. 
Yes, he probably didn't name 

970
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,680
them both Damon, so it's 
unlikely The second one was this

971
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:47,600
was was this cousin Damon that 
bitter steal or that Meili's 

972
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:49,520
killed for command of the Golden
Company? 

973
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,160
So there's a lot of possibility 
that is, it is difficult to 

974
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,360
track these possibilities down 
because there are so many. 

975
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:59,040
There's 7 Black Fire sons from 
Damon and. 

976
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:00,760
Yeah. 
And we know there's the whole 

977
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:05,720
business with like Anus, 
technically Anus Black Fire 

978
00:54:05,720 --> 00:54:08,800
technically jumping the the 
Black Fire line. 

979
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,080
Yes, that's true. 
When he put himself forward at 

980
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:16,080
the Great Council of 230. 
Three, which fits in really 

981
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,960
interestingly with my little 
anus is the father of Megore 

982
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,720
theory or Melee's theory, 
because if if he kind of figured

983
00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:23,800
his father had already done 
that, he's like, well, I deserve

984
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,280
this. 
My father already took at the 

985
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,560
front spot. 
I don't know, it's a little bit 

986
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:30,040
of a stretch, but it fits 
anyway. 

987
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:36,760
Yeah, it's just, I mean, you 
know, the truth is just like the

988
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:41,720
house black fire family tree is 
really is just riddled with 

989
00:54:41,720 --> 00:54:43,600
unknown. 
Yeah, really, really unknown. 

990
00:54:44,240 --> 00:54:50,240
I, I, I think like just a couple
more like one or two sperm dates

991
00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:52,520
would do a lot for us. 
We could work because the 

992
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,680
extrapolations were kind of 
stuck and but like one or two 

993
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,480
firm dates would would enable us
to extrapolate a lot more, I 

994
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,320
think, or at least to or it 
could just spin us out of 

995
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:02,880
control and give us even more 
possibilities. 

996
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,080
You never know. 
So Matt Reese also asked maybe 

997
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,000
after Bittersteel leadership 
might have devolved to whomever 

998
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,360
was the black Fire pretender. 
Then after Meilis, they went to 

999
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,440
election. 
Yeah, that's entirely possible 

1000
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,120
that because Bittersteel had 
such a tight grip on it for so 

1001
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:21,240
long that after him maybe he 
didn't do a great job of of 

1002
00:55:21,240 --> 00:55:23,080
naming A successor to the to his
own. 

1003
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:26,160
You know, that is an interesting
thing because, you know, 

1004
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:32,640
Bittersteel was so involved in, 
you know, he really was the sort

1005
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:34,840
of black fire kingmaker. 
Yeah, and he didn't die 

1006
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:35,840
suddenly, right? 
He died. 

1007
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,160
We know on his deathbed he 
commanded them to do that stuff 

1008
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,920
with his skull so he had a 
chance to name a successor. 

1009
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:45,040
And, you know, he was very 
clearly saying like, OK, no, not

1010
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,280
Damon. 
The second, you know, I want 

1011
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:53,920
Hagon instead, you know, not, 
you know, so, so he was very 

1012
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:59,640
much like, he was not sort of 
faithfully following any line of

1013
00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:02,720
succession. 
He was sort of saying who I 

1014
00:56:02,720 --> 00:56:05,240
think is the best person for the
job. 

1015
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:09,680
So an interesting possibility. 
Did he name a claim what 

1016
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,640
happened after he died? 
Was there any in, you know, 

1017
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:16,600
'cause it's, it's not like you, 
you never see infighting within 

1018
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,920
political exile community. 
It's like nothing is more 

1019
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,960
poisonous and more bitter than 
like, people who are on the 

1020
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:29,760
outs, you know, fighting over, 
you know, some, you know, 

1021
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:33,160
completely abstract claim to 
power. 

1022
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,120
And of course, we've got plenty 
of examples of, you know, 

1023
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,880
Robert, Robert and Cersei slash 
Bessarius the second they name 

1024
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,160
their heir. 
And then everybody just throws 

1025
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:49,000
that out like, Nope, you, your 
your your piece of paper is not 

1026
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,920
who we're going to go with here.
J 17 Any chance we'll find out 

1027
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,240
more about Meili's in a sell me 
chapter and wins? 

1028
00:56:55,240 --> 00:56:57,720
I think there's a very good 
chance of that, especially 

1029
00:56:57,720 --> 00:57:00,800
because George has mentioned 
Meili's in light of Tyrion and 

1030
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,640
we're we're really getting into 
this whole Young Griff plot 

1031
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:08,240
line. 
So I would bet fairly strongly 

1032
00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:09,600
on that. 
I'm maybe I'm hope, maybe I'm 

1033
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:14,160
too hopeful for it, but I think 
that there's a very good yes, 

1034
00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:16,040
that is a good question. 
Yeah. 

1035
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:18,880
Jace also asked do you think 
Agor dismissed Damon the 

1036
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,760
second's claim due his due to 
due to his sexuality? 

1037
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,000
I think there's a good chance he
did. 

1038
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,440
But I think there's that 
probably wasn't the only reason 

1039
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,680
because there's if you look at 
the the way the second quote UN 

1040
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:31,840
quote rebellion plays out, 
there's clearly other issues 

1041
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:36,080
with Damon the second not just I
don't think his his 

1042
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,960
homosexuality is a would really 
be a big deal. 

1043
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:40,880
I mean, it could beat Agor, 
obviously. 

1044
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,840
Yeah, who knows what Agor 
thinks, but the. 

1045
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:47,320
Way that like the Westerosi tend
to talk about it, yeah, but 

1046
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,680
they're sort of like, you know, 
look, as long as you sire and 

1047
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,040
air and no one really cares what
you do in private. 

1048
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,920
Yeah, the TV show gave people 
the wrong impression about how 

1049
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:56,360
much Westeros seems to care 
about. 

1050
00:57:56,440 --> 00:58:00,680
That I, I think it's more that 
just like Damon really was kind 

1051
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:02,360
of more mystical. 
Yeah. 

1052
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:07,080
And thought that he was going to
burst Dragons and you know, 

1053
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:08,520
that's how he was going to win, 
I think. 

1054
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,080
It's far more problematic. 
I mean, homosexuality isn't 

1055
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,800
problematic at all. 
Like, but also from from a 

1056
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:17,960
personal standpoint, right? 
Bitter Steel's lifelong oldest 

1057
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:21,360
enemy is the like the sorcerer. 
Good point. 

1058
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:23,400
He doesn't trust that. 
Like, yeah. 

1059
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:28,000
Yeah, I I think he'd, he'd look 
at at at Jamon the second say 

1060
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,320
like, no, this. 
I am not like nurturing another 

1061
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:35,480
blood Raven in my own camp. 
This guy is a dreamer and a 

1062
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,160
madman. 
I want someone you know and a 

1063
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,800
good practical warrior like his 
older brother. 

1064
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,440
The guy who thinks he's going to
be king because he dreamt it is 

1065
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:44,920
not. 
Yeah, that's not something you 

1066
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:48,560
can, you can put a lot of 
military backing behind without 

1067
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:50,840
some proof. 
And there was none. 

1068
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,560
There was that he had his 
dreams, but there was no, oh, 

1069
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:55,600
these dreams are coming true. 
And we this is something we 

1070
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:57,560
talked about in our earlier 
black bar coverage, whether he 

1071
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,120
had proved himself with any of 
his dreams or not. 

1072
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,480
And and the fact that better 
still didn't back him kind of 

1073
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,600
argues that he hadn't, because 
if his dreams had been proven to

1074
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,280
come true, then I would argue 
that maybe better Steel would be

1075
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:09,360
like. 
This. 

1076
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,520
Guy, his dreams are coming true,
so maybe we should back him. 

1077
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,840
But because of the blood Raven 
point you just made, maybe not. 

1078
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,160
Maybe he was just so against any
of that stuff that he would just

1079
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,600
I don't want to get involved in 
any of that magical stuff. 

1080
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:22,640
Maybe he's got like a virus type
attitude about it. 

1081
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:25,520
OK, so let's let's give some 
shout outs here. 

1082
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:29,040
Appropriately enough for this 
episode. 

1083
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,400
We'll do some shout outs for our
cell sword captains. 

1084
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,040
That seems to fit right? 
That is appropriate for an 

1085
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,280
episode featuring so many cell 
swords. 

1086
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,040
Peter Blaze of the Emerald Isle 
is captain of the Weirwood 

1087
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,760
Wanderers to Long live quick 
desk, cold beer and warm women. 

1088
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,760
Degron is Marshall of the axe, 
captain of the red tide. 

1089
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,800
Resistance is futile. 
Chiron calls Bane captain of the

1090
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:49,560
stone Shields. 
The torrent breaks upon the 

1091
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,880
stone. 
Aima Helmand, captain of the 

1092
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,200
Whispering Children. 
Dead men tell no secrets. 

1093
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,640
Shepard, his son, the Shepard of
Essos. 

1094
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:58,760
All men are sheep before the 
Shepard. 

1095
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:02,640
Heir to the Whispering Children.
Lady Lajara Dajo is the Iron 

1096
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:04,680
Lily. 
Master Archer, Castellan of the 

1097
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,160
Summer Island Keep. 
Arboreal Point, Captain of the 

1098
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,400
all female whaling widows. 
Women and children first. 

1099
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,760
Cody the Crimson is Bashard of 
Bracken, captain of the Red 

1100
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:14,640
Waste Exiles and recruiter of 
the Free Folk. 

1101
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,400
Cameron is the Hammer of 
Hornwood, captain of the English

1102
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,880
Lions. 
Their motto, Honor is the reward

1103
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,320
of virtue. 
Lord Brandon Brewer of Castle 

1104
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,240
Blackroon is captain of the 
Shadow Wolves. 

1105
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:26,720
Their motto? 
Our steel is cold, our vengeance

1106
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,440
colder. 
Black Alex Sand is the Bastard 

1107
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,840
of Spears and leader of the 
Bermuda Vanguard. 

1108
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,400
Bitter Steel is Captain General 
of the Golden Company. 

1109
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,040
Beneath the gold, the bitter 
steel, and our word is good as 

1110
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:38,960
gold. 
They get 2 mottos, that's how 

1111
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:42,160
cool they are. 
Also want to give shout outs to 

1112
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:45,240
our Queens of Love and Beauty. 
I'm determined to get it right 

1113
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,200
this time. 
From the depths of Flea Bottom, 

1114
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,600
Lord Ken of House Hammer is 
declared for Queen Carrie, Fire 

1115
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:54,800
of the North who recovered Dark 
Sister from beyond the Wall and 

1116
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:58,360
a Laurel of glory in the name of
love to Bud of House Beresford, 

1117
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,320
Knight of Tokian and Arbiter of 
Scotch from Sandy, the dragon 

1118
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,120
blood of Queen Daenerys and Lady
of Jameson. 

1119
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,880
And last but not least, our 
Blood Rider patrons, Vorsaki, 

1120
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,480
wielder of a versus Valyrian 
steel air act with a dragon bone

1121
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,280
hilt. 
Kohal Kohli, called Sun Piercer,

1122
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:15,400
wielder of a dragon bone bow, 
and Kakabo the Tamer, wielder of

1123
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,520
the wildfire whipped Gehenna. 
I think Steven, since the last 

1124
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,280
time we've had you on, you now 
have a patron. 

1125
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,600
I don't think you had one the 
last time we did, so why don't 

1126
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:27,280
you give that a shout out? 
OK, so yeah, I have a a patron 

1127
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:31,480
that's been going for God almost
the better part of a year now, I

1128
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:32,680
feel. 
Like you launched in May, 

1129
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:33,600
What's? 
That right? 

1130
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:38,920
Yeah, something like that. 
And it's got a number of levels 

1131
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,920
of benefits. 
So if you join at the $1.00 Poor

1132
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:45,360
Fellows level, you just get 
access to the patron feed, which

1133
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,840
gives early access to bonus 
content. 

1134
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:51,160
If you join at the $5 
Brotherhood Without Banners 

1135
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:55,200
level, get a you get a shout out
at the end of every essay. 

1136
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:59,320
If you join at the team small 
folk level of $10 a month, you 

1137
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:01,880
also get a guaranteed ask per 
month. 

1138
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:06,400
Where like, you know, I do 
regular answering people's asks 

1139
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:10,880
on social media and I put them 
together in posts and you get to

1140
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:12,960
ask a question on any topic you 
want. 

1141
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:17,440
If you join small council level 
of $25 or more a month, you can 

1142
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:21,400
suggest topics for future 
historical analysis essay 

1143
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:24,360
sections because every time I 
write about a chapter, I come up

1144
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:27,760
with a historical topic. 
Of course I know the. 

1145
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:29,200
Feeling. 
Yeah. 

1146
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:33,320
And then my secret inner 
counsel, at $50 or more a month,

1147
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:38,120
is Privy to all of my schemes 
and machinations, including to, 

1148
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:41,880
when I eventually get round to 
it, early access to my first 

1149
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,120
original novel. 
Oh, you're writing a novel? 

1150
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:47,480
I will be doing. 
I am currently in the research 

1151
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:50,880
project face the project. 
Do you want to give a little 

1152
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,000
teaser about what it's about or 
is it not really? 

1153
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:54,880
Sure. 
It's going to be set in 

1154
01:02:55,520 --> 01:03:00,560
Renaissance Brugge, and it's 
about a sort of in, you know, a 

1155
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:02,240
fantasy version of Renaissance 
Brugge. 

1156
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:06,880
Basically, an Italian mercenary 
comes to Brugge and tries to 

1157
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:08,960
make his fortune. 
Cool, sounds great. 

1158
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,600
I will definitely read that. 
That sounds right up my alley. 

1159
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:13,560
Yes, I just have to, to write 
it. 

1160
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:18,360
My, my, my plan at the moment is
to, you know, 'cause like at the

1161
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:23,200
moment I've got this like 20 
page like planning document and 

1162
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,160
I'm using Zotero for all of my 
research. 

1163
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:29,920
But like, I'm going to do 
basically Nanowrimo this coming 

1164
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:34,400
year and just try to bang out 
like a a first draft. 

1165
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:36,000
Very cool. 
Well, good luck with that. 

1166
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:38,040
That sounds excellent. 
I hope you thank you make you 

1167
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:43,400
make great progress this year. 
Let's get back to it. 

1168
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:46,480
The other eight members of the 
Band of nine, we haven't. 

1169
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,400
I don't know if we've mentioned 
any of them by name yet. 

1170
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,160
We'll start off by a quick 
primer. 

1171
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:56,400
I've you sometimes see the word 
cell sword company, sometimes 

1172
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,520
see the word free company. 
As best as I can tell, that's 

1173
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:00,640
the same thing you had You 
interpret that differently. 

1174
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:05,000
Do you know otherwise? 
So the free companies, I think 

1175
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:13,040
just remind myself, are 
specifically the ones in Essos 

1176
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:18,920
and they, they, they emerge out 
of the, the, the free cities. 

1177
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,520
So I think it's just a 
contraction, right? 

1178
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,560
Free cities company into free 
companies. 

1179
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:28,400
That makes sense. 
But the, you know, I think the 

1180
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:31,480
difference is basically like 
they're not individual 

1181
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:35,160
mercenaries, right? 
And they're not these sort of 

1182
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:40,320
like temporary, you know, 
clumping together of broken men 

1183
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:44,000
or bandits or whatever. 
They are these permanent or not 

1184
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:47,960
permanent, but these long 
lasting institutions that have 

1185
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:54,720
these like charters and they 
sign contracts with city states 

1186
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:58,320
that are more based on these 
like historical. 

1187
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:02,240
Capital C mercenary companies. 
I thought maybe it had something

1188
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:04,600
to do with the, the type 
commitment they made to the 

1189
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:06,240
company, but I, I apparently I 
was wrong. 

1190
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,680
I thought maybe for example or 
or certain companies to sign a 

1191
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,680
contract and if you leave 
they'll cut your foot off or 

1192
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:13,240
something. 
But that may have to do with it 

1193
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:16,760
or or it could be, you know, 
another possibility is that like

1194
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:21,160
free company, IE free of 
political. 

1195
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:24,840
Influence, right? 
They don't belong to a given 

1196
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:29,160
state. 
They are not subjects of a any 

1197
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:34,080
one city or you know in in you 
know the case of like Westerosi 

1198
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:36,600
mercenaries, right? 
You know subjects of the king. 

1199
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:40,520
You know the the Golden Company 
is a law unto itself. 

1200
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:43,000
Right on. 
OK, Yeah, that makes a lot of 

1201
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,880
sense. 
So the other eight members of 

1202
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:47,920
the band, and the reason we 
brought that up is because 

1203
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:51,360
there's a lot of Cell sword 
slash Free Company commanders in

1204
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:54,280
this group, as well as pirates. 
It's a very interesting group 

1205
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:56,200
and that doesn't describe all of
them. 

1206
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:59,040
They're not all pirates and cell
sword, but that is a large chunk

1207
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:00,720
of them. 
So well, one of the things we 

1208
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:02,840
tried to do is kind of figure 
out where some of them came 

1209
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:04,440
from. 
Some of them we do know. 

1210
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:07,480
Some of them we we know because 
of their name gives it away. 

1211
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:10,880
We're wondering things like, and
we also wonder what they 

1212
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:13,160
expected. 
What is their reward? 

1213
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:16,080
As in the the goal of the band 
of nine was to carve out 

1214
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:19,440
kingdoms for each other and 
well, no one could possibly have

1215
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,080
gotten the Kingdom as large as 
the one they at least wanted. 

1216
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:25,760
There's no nothing else was on 
the board as a prize as large as

1217
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:28,480
Westeros. 
So the one of them was Aleko 

1218
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:29,840
Adaris. 
We'll talk about him in a minute

1219
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:31,880
in more detail. 
But he wanted Ty Rosh and he got

1220
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,520
it. 
But the rest of the band, it's 

1221
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:38,240
not clear both what they wanted 
and whether or not any of them 

1222
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:40,600
got it because, well, probably 
they didn't get it. 

1223
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:42,440
The only other place they 
conquered was the disputed 

1224
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:45,200
lands, which may have been what 
one of them wanted for his own 

1225
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,080
territory, or hers anyway. 
So we're wondering if any of 

1226
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:50,040
them maybe wanted Bravos or 
Pentos. 

1227
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:53,160
I mean, that kind of thing we 
see, for example, who is it? 

1228
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:57,280
The the, the tattered Prince, 
his reward for backing Danny as 

1229
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:01,040
he wants Pentos. 
And obviously this is the kind 

1230
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:04,560
of thing that you would expect 
to not be so unique. 

1231
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:08,840
We wonder if anyone came or 
wanted Basilisk Isles or 

1232
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:11,080
something like that. 
We see commanders and and pirate

1233
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:13,080
captains setting themselves up 
in places like that. 

1234
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:16,640
As far as we know, there's no 
connection to Volantis or the 

1235
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:19,040
farther E like I'm. 
None of these band of nines seem

1236
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:22,880
to be associated with, say, 
Slaver's Bay or UT or Ashey or 

1237
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:25,840
anything like that. 
But you never know because these

1238
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:28,600
aren't people who necessarily 
establish themselves in their 

1239
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:31,040
own country. 
Some of them also came from 

1240
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,040
Westeros very clearly. 
So let's go through the one at a

1241
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:35,480
time. 
The the first one is the old 

1242
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:37,640
mother. 
She apparently is the one woman 

1243
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:40,480
in the group, although some 
there's a possibility of one 

1244
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:42,480
other. 
I suppose so. 

1245
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:44,680
To me, that name, she's a 
pirate. 

1246
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:47,840
And that reminds me of the 
Chinese pirate in real life, 

1247
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:50,480
Qingxi, who is the most 
successful pirate of all time. 

1248
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:54,000
But that is literally. 
And just like Qingxi, we get 

1249
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:55,160
very little about the old 
mother. 

1250
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:57,480
The real sources tell us very 
little about Qingxi, even though

1251
01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:02,320
she was only like 200 years ago.
But old mother, I don't know 

1252
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:04,640
what do you any any thoughts on 
the old mother? 

1253
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:09,880
Pirate suggests so probably 
somewhere coastal right? 

1254
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:14,520
You know, unlikely to be one of 
the yoga snai even though they 

1255
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:20,359
are matriarchs. 
One possibility is just 

1256
01:08:20,359 --> 01:08:24,680
reminding my like Lang, just 
because that is a more 

1257
01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:27,920
matriarchal society. 
Yeah, that's a good call. 

1258
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:31,800
I didn't think of that. 
And obviously that would fit 

1259
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:36,279
Ching Chi right, You know, more 
Eastern than the rest. 

1260
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,800
But we, you know, again, we're, 
we're working with scraps. 

1261
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:43,000
Here, scrap, total scrap. 
Ching Chi inherited her 

1262
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:47,200
basically kind of her husband 
was the pirate Lord and and when

1263
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:50,160
he died, she took over. 
And which is unusual that 

1264
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:54,080
someone else didn't step up or 
attack her, or if they did, she 

1265
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:57,680
defeated them. 
So it's not to say that's how 

1266
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:00,279
this woman rose to the ranks. 
It could be she did it on her 

1267
01:09:00,279 --> 01:09:05,160
own, but there it is unusual to 
see a woman rise so high amongst

1268
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:07,960
very male dominated profession 
of piracy. 

1269
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:10,760
There's all sorts of 
superstitions about women being 

1270
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:12,760
on board, things like that, 
which some of which probably 

1271
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:14,880
exist in Essos and Westeros as 
well as in the real world. 

1272
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:17,640
They're not so prominent 
nowadays, but they were back in 

1273
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:19,880
the day on the in in on our 
planet. 

1274
01:09:20,399 --> 01:09:22,560
But like he says, like Steven 
says, there's not a whole lot we

1275
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:24,720
can we can say here that isn't 
just guesswork. 

1276
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,439
Samarosan is another pirate 
Lord. 

1277
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:30,000
We can say more about him 
because that name is very 

1278
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:33,160
familiar, isn't it? 
Yeah, we know the sons. 

1279
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:35,120
Yep. 
So he's a Salador's family. 

1280
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:37,319
We also have, we also know of a 
Safo's son. 

1281
01:09:37,319 --> 01:09:39,880
And This is why I brought up 
Basiloskiles, because Safo's son

1282
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:45,040
was king of Basilskiles and he 
was active not too long before 

1283
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:46,279
this. 
I mean, it could have been as 

1284
01:09:46,279 --> 01:09:49,080
much as 200 years before, but 
we're not talking like many, 

1285
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:53,439
many hundreds of years ago. 
And it seems like Samarosan was 

1286
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:57,320
defeated in the Stepstones by 
Megor the Cruel and Athan 

1287
01:09:57,320 --> 01:09:58,800
Valerian and some of these other
guys. 

1288
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:05,000
So there's some chance that this
is what Samaro San wanted was 

1289
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:06,840
either the vessel Skiles or the 
Stepstones. 

1290
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:09,200
What do you think about the OR 
at least possibly because that's

1291
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:10,600
where they come from. 
What do you think about Samaro? 

1292
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:14,560
One thing that's interesting 
about Samaro San is his nickname

1293
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:19,040
that separates him out a little 
bit from the rest of his family.

1294
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:21,840
He called himself the last 
Valyrian, right? 

1295
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:25,560
That's interesting. 
And you know, you mentioned that

1296
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,560
like none of these people seem 
to have come from Volantis. 

1297
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:32,880
It's possible he wanted 
Volantis, right? 

1298
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:37,760
Because the, because the 
Valentines like see themselves 

1299
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:42,640
and talk about themselves as 
like the most Valyrian of 

1300
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:43,560
Valyrian. 
Yes. 

1301
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:47,560
So it's possible that like 
Samarosan, if he thought of 

1302
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:50,960
himself as like more Valyrian 
than anyone else would have been

1303
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:53,240
like, great, I'll take that, 
right. 

1304
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:56,400
I, I can live inside the black 
walls. 

1305
01:10:56,440 --> 01:11:01,520
I can, you know, ruled this 
enormous empire and you know 

1306
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:04,960
that's, you know, you can't rule
Valyria itself unless you want 

1307
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:10,120
to die by, you know, horrible 
worm things and demons, but you 

1308
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:11,360
know, closest thing. 
Right. 

1309
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:14,080
Yeah, definitely. 
That's a great guess. 

1310
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:14,800
Yeah. 
I like that. 

1311
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,120
The whole last Valyrian title is
very evocative. 

1312
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:19,240
And you wonder because it's 
like, well, yeah, Salvador is 

1313
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:20,680
not calling himself anything 
like that. 

1314
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:23,000
He doesn't really refer to 
himself for that aspect of his 

1315
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:24,880
heritage much at all. 
It's it's, it's inferred. 

1316
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:26,360
We learn. 
Yeah. 

1317
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:29,440
Well, after A Clash of Kings, I 
think that that that about like 

1318
01:11:29,440 --> 01:11:31,440
the Lyseny connection. 
I think it may, although he 

1319
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:33,000
does. 
Call himself Prince of the 

1320
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:34,600
Narrow Sea. 
That's true. 

1321
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:38,920
So there is this like, tendency 
among the Sahm family to, like, 

1322
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:41,720
hunger for, for royal title. 
Yeah. 

1323
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:44,440
Yeah, you wonder cause Salador 
is still out there. 

1324
01:11:44,440 --> 01:11:46,720
I mean, he's not currently not 
associated with any of the major

1325
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:48,800
factions. 
He is a faction of his own right

1326
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:50,720
now. 
That's probably not going to 

1327
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:54,680
maintain there's he'll probably 
take a side again and there's an

1328
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:57,760
opportunity for him to maybe 
mention more about his family or

1329
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:00,520
anything like that. 
So I'm hoping that Salador drops

1330
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:03,400
a few paragraphs about his his 
own family now that George has 

1331
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:05,880
expanded on him so much, because
this was not the kind of 

1332
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:07,360
expansion on a family that we 
expect. 

1333
01:12:07,440 --> 01:12:10,840
There's so many sons that popped
up over the all the all over the

1334
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:13,360
extra secondary sources here. 
It's it's pretty fun. 

1335
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:19,000
Let's talk about Jobar Jakhua, 
which is almost certainly not 

1336
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:20,720
how to pronounce it, but 
whatever. 

1337
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,960
AKA the Ebon Prince. 
That's a much easier thing to 

1338
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:25,560
say. 
So this guy was a Summer 

1339
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:26,920
Islander and the summer 
Islander. 

1340
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:29,720
One thing summer Islanders know 
very well is sailing. 

1341
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:31,400
Another thing they know pretty 
well is archery. 

1342
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:34,360
Not to assume that he is either 
of those things, but it's a good

1343
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:37,720
start for a guest. 
So of course, a comp for this 

1344
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:41,880
guy is Jalibar Jo, who is an 
exile Prince at court. 

1345
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,160
Yeah. 
What do you think about Zobar 

1346
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:47,480
Jacquia here? 
So the interesting thing Or 

1347
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:48,760
Jacqua. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1348
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:52,800
The interesting thing is like 
for a place that it that, you 

1349
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:57,200
know, Martin clearly sort of 
sees as like almost paradise in 

1350
01:12:57,200 --> 01:13:02,120
nature, it does seem to have 
this nasty tendency of producing

1351
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:08,560
exiled Princess who wants to 
retake their lands by force. 

1352
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:12,640
So I would not be surprised 
because, you know, it's not a 

1353
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:16,760
very long sail from the step 
stones to the Summer Isles if 

1354
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:19,280
that's what he wanted. 
He just needed an army to get 

1355
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:23,920
back home in style as a point. 
And we know that Jamie 

1356
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:26,320
particularly interested in the 
stories about this guy. 

1357
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:28,920
There's a there's a passage 
where Jamie is when he's getting

1358
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:33,000
ready to meet with Blackfish and
have their parlay. 

1359
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:39,240
He thinks of how when he first 
met Blackfish, he was, you know,

1360
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:41,960
there was talk of him marrying 
Lysa Tully or being engaged to 

1361
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:44,280
Lysa Tully. 
That never happened, but it was 

1362
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:46,600
sort of a a thing. 
And they were. 

1363
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:49,040
They were sat next to each other
and Jamie remembers how he 

1364
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:53,400
completely ignored Lisa because 
he wanted to talk to Brendan 

1365
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:56,000
about Maelys the Monstrous and 
the Ebon Prince. 

1366
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:57,360
He mentions those 2 
specifically. 

1367
01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:00,440
Yeah, well, in that case, even 
though Summer Islanders are 

1368
01:14:00,440 --> 01:14:03,000
better known for archery, maybe 
he was a very good swordsman. 

1369
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:05,480
That's because Jamie has a 
disdain for bows. 

1370
01:14:05,480 --> 01:14:08,120
You're right. 
Well, and also that a young 

1371
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:10,320
Jamie was absolutely obsessed 
with swords. 

1372
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:12,280
That was the only thing he was 
really interested. 

1373
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:13,280
In. 
That's a great point. 

1374
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:15,520
Yeah. 
And this guy was probably a Cell

1375
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:17,720
sword captain, which means 
probably. 

1376
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:18,680
He had an. 
Opportunity. 

1377
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:21,400
Yeah, that's a great point. 
I like that guess a lot. 

1378
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:23,880
So I so. 
And the fact that, yeah, maybe 

1379
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:26,800
those were the 2 best swordsmen 
of the batch, that might be a 

1380
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:30,680
subtle hint that because Jamie 
was just interested in nothing 

1381
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:33,000
but swords, especially that, I 
mean, he wasn't interested in 

1382
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,960
much by the time he came of age.
But but when he was, you know, 

1383
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:38,800
seven years older, whenever that
was, he must have been super 

1384
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:41,640
hyper focused on this. 
So yeah, that's a great theory. 

1385
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:44,080
I like that a lot. 
The idea that that the Evan 

1386
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:45,600
Prince was a was an excellent 
swordsman. 

1387
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:49,000
You had a good theory on this 
next one as well. 

1388
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:53,800
Lyman Lashar, whose nickname is 
the Lord of Battles, also a cell

1389
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:55,560
sword captain. 
That much is confirmed. 

1390
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:58,440
You'd think a name like that 
would imply significant 

1391
01:14:58,440 --> 01:15:01,400
experience, maybe more on the 
command side rather than. 

1392
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:04,040
Yeah, I was going to say a 
tactician as opposed to a 

1393
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:06,000
warrior. 
A clever strategist and you you 

1394
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:08,720
suggest that he might be Lysine 
because of that name. 

1395
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:12,840
Lashar is kind of like Rogar. 
Yeah, it's, it's the same sort 

1396
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:14,640
of construction. 
So I mean, you know, look, if, 

1397
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:18,560
if it's Valyrian in nature, it 
could be any of the free Cities.

1398
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:22,240
But there is a certain, you 
know, and, and this gets rather 

1399
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:24,880
difficult because, right, they 
all can't pick the same 

1400
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:26,600
territory. 
Yeah. 

1401
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:30,000
You know, the the whole way that
this thing works is each of them

1402
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:35,480
pick a territory and agree that 
they'll they'll take it for 

1403
01:15:35,480 --> 01:15:39,440
themselves. 
If if he's Lysini, you know, 

1404
01:15:39,440 --> 01:15:44,200
maybe Samara Osan didn't want 
Lys and you know, that's the way

1405
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:47,120
it goes, but you know it, it is 
interesting. 

1406
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:50,480
Definitely sort of. 
Lord of Battles has a ring to. 

1407
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:53,120
It you wonder, maybe he's the 
engineer of their their 

1408
01:15:53,480 --> 01:15:54,920
strategy, their campaign 
strategy. 

1409
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:58,240
It might have been him who said,
yeah, let's take, let's take the

1410
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:01,520
disputed lands first, then we'll
take Tyros, then we'll go for 

1411
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:03,320
the step stones and then we'll 
go for Westeros. 

1412
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:05,560
And then Westeros will empower 
us to do all these other things,

1413
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:08,440
which that is a decent plan, I 
guess. 

1414
01:16:08,440 --> 01:16:10,680
You know, there's a lot of a lot
of details to work out. 

1415
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:14,480
But the idea of making Westeros 
the the base for seizing all 

1416
01:16:14,480 --> 01:16:17,440
these other kingdoms, well, that
you can see the logic in that 

1417
01:16:17,440 --> 01:16:20,280
because if you have the power of
Westeros, it shouldn't be that 

1418
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:23,240
hard to take some of these 
smaller kingdoms that are 

1419
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:26,880
relatively independent. 
The next one is the other one 

1420
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:29,360
who might be. 
There's a chance this one's 

1421
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:31,040
female because there's no name 
here. 

1422
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:33,920
It's just nine eyes cell sword 
captain. 

1423
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:35,960
Maybe it's a cell sail fleet 
because they're they're called 

1424
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:38,280
the Jolly Fellows. 
Which that does sound very 

1425
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:40,040
piratical. 
Yeah, it really does. 

1426
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:42,960
So and cell sail fleets are a 
thing we don't see. 

1427
01:16:43,440 --> 01:16:47,560
I don't think we've seen one to 
up close other than Solid or 

1428
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:49,920
Sons, which is pretty much that 
is what he's doing with it. 

1429
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:51,440
He. 
He's the only one who gets a A. 

1430
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:54,360
Well, yeah, I mean, he's the 
only one who gets a name. 

1431
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:56,880
A name that isn't without a real
name like we have. 

1432
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:58,480
Well, no. 
The old mother, that's also. 

1433
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:02,440
Yeah, we don't know her. 
Real name in in the in the main 

1434
01:17:02,440 --> 01:17:03,720
song of bison fire. 
Oh, I see. 

1435
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:05,760
OK. 
And yeah, so you're right. 

1436
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:07,440
You mean you mean out of sell 
sale capital? 

1437
01:17:07,440 --> 01:17:07,880
I see. 
OK. 

1438
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:11,760
Yeah, I, I wonder like 9 eyes, 
you know, I, I get more of a 

1439
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:16,120
baseless styles feel here just 
cause like 9 eyes. 

1440
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:21,320
It's almost like it's almost 
like wildling, like you know 

1441
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:25,560
that or, or like the clan, you 
know, the the mountain clans, 

1442
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:31,440
the the mountains of the moon. 
Like it it's not a a civilized 

1443
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:35,880
Valyrian name. 
It's not summer Islander, it's 

1444
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:38,320
not Westerosi. 
This sounds like. 

1445
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:43,080
His given name isn't something 
that apparently he thinks would 

1446
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:45,440
help make him famous I guess. 
Like yeah, if you had some sort 

1447
01:17:45,440 --> 01:17:48,640
of Valyrian sounding name that 
would probably be a part of his 

1448
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:52,920
shtick, but apparently maybe his
name is is is not important. 

1449
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:57,520
So Next up we have one of the 
Westeros. 

1450
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:00,960
So this one's pretty important. 
Spotted Tom the Butcher and now 

1451
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:03,960
anyone named the Butcher is 
generally not a nice fellow. 

1452
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:07,080
Yeah. 
So you have a theory on where he

1453
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:09,640
might have come from and I like 
I like this theory a lot too. 

1454
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:15,720
Yeah, so this is a theory, the 
Santagars of Spotswood. 

1455
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:21,320
As in Santagar, who was of 
course important for the early 

1456
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:22,880
parts of of the Song of Ice and 
Fire. 

1457
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:28,840
And you know their sigil is a 
spotted leopard and you know 

1458
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:32,160
they they, they are the Knights 
of Spotswood. 

1459
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:36,360
So it's like Spots is very much 
a thing, you know, for them. 

1460
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:41,560
So you know, it's possible he is
a a bastard instead of a full 

1461
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:45,360
blood Santagar. 
The other thing that makes me 

1462
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:49,360
lean towards Santagar is that if
you look at where the Spotswood 

1463
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:57,720
is, it's pretty close to the 
lands of the Ironwoods, who were

1464
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:02,880
the we know they were black, 
black fire loyalists and you 

1465
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:06,400
know, good point were were ride 
or die many times. 

1466
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:10,760
So the idea that their vassals 
would have come along with that 

1467
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:14,720
strong possibility. 
You know, we know that like you 

1468
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:18,000
know, from world of ice and fire
and fire and blood and all that 

1469
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:21,680
that like the Dornish subtle 
internal politics very 

1470
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:25,400
violently. 
You know what Rosie do. 

1471
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:30,680
So it's doesn't seem impossible 
to me that, you know, he wound 

1472
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:35,360
up on the wrong side of some 
blood feud or coup d'et, you 

1473
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:38,680
know, failed coup or something, 
and that's how you went into the

1474
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:41,320
name, like the butcher. 
That's a great theory. 

1475
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:44,680
Now I have my own little theory 
to add on to this, which is that

1476
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:49,800
I figure given the timeline this
this spotted time the butcher 

1477
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:53,200
Probably not a really old man. 
Maybe you never know. 

1478
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:56,600
Probably not though. 
Probably more middle age ish 

1479
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:59,360
young on the younger side but 
not young young. 

1480
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:03,280
And the reason for that is, 
well, that's just a typical age 

1481
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:06,560
for for ambitious warrior types,
it's hard to be a really old guy

1482
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:08,840
leading a campaign to take a 
throne or. 

1483
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:11,800
Something like that sword and 
the bold sulk. 

1484
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:14,800
Exactly like some there are, 
there are exceptions. 

1485
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:18,000
Tattered Prince is a perfect 
one, but he is an exception to 

1486
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:21,960
be clear. 
So my guess is that he was 

1487
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:25,120
exiled during Egg's time during 
Egg on the 5th time, because Egg

1488
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:29,920
had been king for 25 years when 
the band pledged beneath Tree of

1489
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:32,360
Crowns to to become this band of
nine. 

1490
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:34,800
Yeah. 
And, and that also fits because,

1491
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:40,640
you know, we know from the rains
of Castamere that Egg put an 

1492
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:46,440
unusual amount of emphasis into 
royal law enforcement on the 

1493
01:20:46,440 --> 01:20:50,480
local level. 
So, you know, it's it's quite 

1494
01:20:50,480 --> 01:20:54,160
possible that sort of he was 
involved in some local feud. 

1495
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:59,720
And then, you know, Egon the 
Fifth said, Nope, royal justice 

1496
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:02,360
is going to be brought against 
you when he fled to Essos and 

1497
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:05,520
joined up with the black fires 
because like, you know, a few. 

1498
01:21:06,480 --> 01:21:08,960
Exactly. 
Why not? 

1499
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:11,440
Yeah, so. 
And that brings us to another 

1500
01:21:11,440 --> 01:21:14,880
connection to Dunkin Egg, which 
is Derek Fosaway. 

1501
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:19,000
Sir, Excuse me Sir, Derek 
Fosaway AKA the Bad Apple. 

1502
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:22,320
I love this nickname. 
It's bad apple, yeah. 

1503
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:25,400
Don't throw out the whole bunch 
because of 1 bad apple. 

1504
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:27,440
But no, he's of course a 
Fossaway. 

1505
01:21:27,440 --> 01:21:31,760
And then the Fossaways are like 
a microcosm of Blackfyre 

1506
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:34,120
Targaryen. 
And and they happened during the

1507
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:36,480
Dunkin Egg series. 
And in the in the Hedge night, 

1508
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:39,960
we see the formation of the 
green apple fossaways breaking 

1509
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:41,600
off from the red apple 
fossaways. 

1510
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:46,000
And this guy is like some third 
sort of branch of his own in a 

1511
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:47,600
sense. 
And of course, so you have a 

1512
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:51,920
sigil that is by changing the 
color you represent this cadet 

1513
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:54,280
branch, which is obviously 
exactly what the black buyers do

1514
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:55,840
to represent their connection to
the Targaryen. 

1515
01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:59,480
So this just is a a nice little 
George is having fun with this 

1516
01:21:59,480 --> 01:22:03,080
one, I think. 
But we don't know a whole lot 

1517
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:04,520
about him other than him being a
knight. 

1518
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:07,200
And an interesting point here is
that unlike all these other 

1519
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:11,280
characters, he's not necessarily
a cell sort captain. 

1520
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:12,960
He might be, but he's not listed
as one. 

1521
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:16,400
He's a knight with an I'll 
repute, which is, well, he must 

1522
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:19,800
be more than just that. 
A knight like some nasty knight 

1523
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:22,560
doesn't sound like he's on the 
same level as a cell sword 

1524
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:26,600
captain or a pirate Lord, or may
lease the monstrous, so this guy

1525
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:30,760
had to have something else going
for him that maybe isn't 

1526
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:33,200
mentioned. 
This could be another example of

1527
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:36,600
like, some of these people are 
more kind of organizational, 

1528
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:40,640
right, They run an organization.
Others, it may be more about who

1529
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:45,280
they are as people individually.
And you know, one of the things 

1530
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:48,880
that you see with the first 
rebellion, not so much the 2nd, 

1531
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:53,920
3rd, 4th is Damon. 
The first liked to have famous 

1532
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:59,440
Knights around him. 
That was a big part of kind of 

1533
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:04,920
burnishing his image. 
So, you know, if Derek Fossaway 

1534
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:09,560
was a a knight who is very good 
at the sort of the Marshall side

1535
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:14,760
of things, but not so good at 
sort of keeping to his oath and,

1536
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:18,520
you know, the the more 
chivalrous side of things, you 

1537
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:21,680
know, you could see someone like
Neilis the monstrous being like,

1538
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:25,800
you know, hey, no, I need 
Knights around me if I want to 

1539
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:28,440
be a king. 
But, you know, this is the kind 

1540
01:23:28,440 --> 01:23:32,360
of knight that appeals to me as 
this kind of, you know, 

1541
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:36,840
distrusted, despised figure. 
A typical. 

1542
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:43,320
Part of a conspiracy slash 
cartel like this would be 

1543
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:46,200
someone who is strong in 
intelligence. 

1544
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:50,000
I don't mean like a smart guy, I
mean like spy stuff, right? 

1545
01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:53,000
Yeah, I mean, certainly, 
especially by this point, right?

1546
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:58,840
It had been so long since the 
black fires were on Westerosi 

1547
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:03,840
soil and had a real following. 
I mean, really not since the 

1548
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:06,720
Third you, you really get the 
sense that the third rebellion 

1549
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:10,200
was like the high watermark. 
That was the closest they got 

1550
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:14,200
since the 1st that, you know, 
they needed someone who knew 

1551
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:18,560
the, the political scene in West
Rooms, you know, and it's also, 

1552
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:20,720
you know, one of the things that
I think we should keep our eyes 

1553
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:23,880
for is like, who are the Golden 
Company's friends? 

1554
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:26,240
Exactly. 
That's exactly where I'm going 

1555
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:27,640
with this. 
Yes, I'm glad you picked that 

1556
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:30,000
up. 
Yeah, and the Fossaways are are,

1557
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:36,040
are good options, although you 
know, they're both are Brune 

1558
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:38,200
unfortunately swept a lot of 
them off the board. 

1559
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:40,880
He sure did, Apple leader. 
That is unfortunate. 

1560
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:43,080
The Apple leader. 
Yeah. 

1561
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:47,160
So that's a great theory because
we definitely, they definitely 

1562
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:49,760
need that in their group. 
They need people that have 

1563
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:52,120
connections to Westeros because 
as you say, they they're those 

1564
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:53,760
connections have fallen off over
the years. 

1565
01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:57,160
The the bitter steel loyalists 
are probably gone, or at least 

1566
01:24:57,160 --> 01:24:58,200
the ones that he had connected 
to. 

1567
01:24:58,200 --> 01:24:59,720
Oh yeah. 
I mean like a whole, you know, 

1568
01:25:00,480 --> 01:25:03,520
at least one generation if not 2
have now backed. 

1569
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:06,200
And that's part of why this is a
conquest, not a rebellion. 

1570
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:08,200
That's why some people call it 
it's it's sometimes referred to 

1571
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:10,920
as the 5th Blackfyre Rebellion. 
That's kind of a misnomer. 

1572
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:13,440
Then again, so is the second. 
But this is more of a. 

1573
01:25:13,440 --> 01:25:16,560
Conquest, I mean, you know, even
compared like the second 

1574
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:19,760
rebellion was a failure on a 
military level, but like you, 

1575
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:21,840
you know, the one thing you 
could say is like Damon the 

1576
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:26,040
second actually did have some 
powerful Westerosi houses 

1577
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:30,400
backing his play here. 
It seems like entirely nothing 

1578
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:33,600
doing West of the Narrow Sea. 
Yeah, this is more like what the

1579
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:36,440
Golden Company is doing right 
now, where they are coming in 

1580
01:25:36,440 --> 01:25:42,000
during chaos and they're going 
to, if they look strong, people 

1581
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:43,640
will follow them because they 
don't want to fight them. 

1582
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:46,000
And so that might be the case 
here. 

1583
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:48,840
Someone like Derek Fossaway, 
guys like that are are planning 

1584
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:53,000
that strategy and looking for to
subvert or bribe or look for 

1585
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:56,680
people they can turn and find 
like offers. 

1586
01:25:56,840 --> 01:26:01,880
Like let's say you join us now 
and we'll make you King, Lord 

1587
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:04,080
Paramount of the reach. 
Things like that betray the 

1588
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:06,120
Tyrells and you know the same 
exact thing that's happening. 

1589
01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:08,240
The friends in the reach thing 
that we're talking about with 

1590
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:11,560
that that is comes up so often 
with Young Griff, like who is 

1591
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:13,960
going to support the Golden 
Company in the reach now, like 

1592
01:26:13,960 --> 01:26:17,600
is it is it the Rowans? 
Is it the Tarly's, etcetera. 

1593
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:20,520
That's the kind of thing. 
And it's interesting again that 

1594
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:22,760
this is a House of the reach. 
The fossil ways are a reach 

1595
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:25,600
house. 
Again, that is where the prime 

1596
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:28,880
support for the black fires was.
And even if that's fallen off a 

1597
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:32,000
lot, that's still, you'd think 
that's still the place they 

1598
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:34,760
would start again to look for 
help unless something else 

1599
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:37,560
obvious popped up elsewhere. 
And of course, they would do 

1600
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:38,640
both. 
Yeah. 

1601
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:42,080
Like, you know, Ironwood, like 
you said, Ironwood, They were 

1602
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:45,800
super tight with the Black 
fires, one of the most important

1603
01:26:46,120 --> 01:26:48,360
major houses that had a 
recurring connection to them. 

1604
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:53,200
And so like thinking about 
places like that, that, you 

1605
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:55,400
know, that maybe this maybe 
Fossaway had some sort of 

1606
01:26:55,400 --> 01:26:57,440
connection to them. 
Less likely, but possible. 

1607
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:00,760
Did you guys mention Franklin 
Flowers? 

1608
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:02,480
Franklin Flowers is a good. 
Example. 

1609
01:27:02,480 --> 01:27:03,200
Actually, we didn't. 
Let's. 

1610
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:06,680
Talk about him just because 
Everett Cooper brought that up. 

1611
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:10,600
The brown apple Fossaway. 
That's a that's a actually a 

1612
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:13,000
very good point. 
So to remind us of who that was,

1613
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:15,440
Franklin Flowers is a member of 
the Golden Company, current 

1614
01:27:15,440 --> 01:27:19,640
member of the Golden Company, 
and he's someone that remembered

1615
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:22,040
Connington, someone that's been 
in there for a while. 

1616
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:26,280
The bastard of Cider Hall, 
although he's he's an 

1617
01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:31,840
interesting case because he came
over all right, seemingly, you 

1618
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:36,240
know, because he has this like, 
you know, immediate rudge 

1619
01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:40,720
against the fossa ways. 
And it's a little bit, you know,

1620
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:45,680
he he's reminds me a lot of like
Raleigh duck view, right, where 

1621
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:49,920
it's like they've got this like 
very close. 

1622
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:53,920
This is not a thing where like 
he inherited this thing from his

1623
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:57,240
father and his father and his 
father who, like, you know, kept

1624
01:27:57,240 --> 01:28:00,840
the banners in secret, like 
asked down the story of, you 

1625
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:02,920
know, the rightful king over the
waves. 

1626
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:06,160
Like no, he's got a grudge and 
he's like looking for someone 

1627
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:09,160
who can empower him to to deal 
with his grudge. 

1628
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:11,560
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
And you wonder. 

1629
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:17,000
It's a chance that he's even a 
descendant of of Derek Fossaway,

1630
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:20,080
a bastard of. 
Derek Fossaway It's tricky 

1631
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:24,240
because the there's also this 
whole tendency among the modern 

1632
01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:28,800
Golden Company to lie about your
ancestry. 

1633
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:33,240
So you know that really like, 
are there Muds? 

1634
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:37,360
Are there, you know, like, you 
know, all of these like ancient,

1635
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:39,480
you know? 
Strong Spider or Weber? 

1636
01:28:39,480 --> 01:28:40,680
Yeah, Yeah. 
Strong. 

1637
01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:42,680
That's got to be a lie. 
The strong's got to be a lie. 

1638
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:44,360
But. 
But this one. 

1639
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:46,960
Yeah. 
But but this guy, Franklin 

1640
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:51,000
Flowers, seems to have a grudge 
because he says as long as I get

1641
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:52,760
to kill some fossaways. 
Maybe that's just something he 

1642
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:55,280
worked himself up over, but it 
sounds like it's personal to 

1643
01:28:55,280 --> 01:28:56,360
him. 
Yeah. 

1644
01:28:56,840 --> 01:28:58,920
So that's interesting. 
OK then. 

1645
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:02,080
Aleco Edaris, the last one. 
His nickname was the Silver 

1646
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:04,320
Tongue. 
He's a merchant Prince which 

1647
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:06,280
sets him apart from the rest 
because none of the others are 

1648
01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:08,040
merchant Princess. 
You can you can argue that 

1649
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:11,120
merchant Princess and and 
pirates start to have some 

1650
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:16,080
things in common after a while, 
but I do imagine him a a lot. 

1651
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:20,800
Like when I think of a comp for 
him I think of Zarozo and Daxos.

1652
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:22,480
Is that kind of where your head 
goes as well? 

1653
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:25,400
Actually, I thought of Valyrian,
OK. 

1654
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:27,120
Yeah, that does fit. 
Yeah, if. 

1655
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:31,640
If we're if we're thinking of 
the band of nine, like Ocean's 

1656
01:29:31,640 --> 01:29:35,760
11, they're heist crew. 
He's definitely the money. 

1657
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:37,320
Yeah, he's the money, That's 
true. 

1658
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:39,640
Right. 
And it, you know, other people 

1659
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:44,520
are like the, the brown or the, 
the brains or whatever, he's 

1660
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:48,040
definitely the money, you know, 
because, hey, if you want to 

1661
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:52,040
fight a War, One of the many, 
many things you're going to need

1662
01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:56,400
is a lot of financial resources.
Because, you know, arms and 

1663
01:29:56,400 --> 01:30:00,200
armor cost money, horses cost 
money, food cost money, clothing

1664
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:03,440
cost money, ships cost money, 
supplies cost money. 

1665
01:30:03,440 --> 01:30:07,080
You need all of that stuff, 
especially if you know you're 

1666
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:12,280
going to launch this incredibly 
complicated amphibious assault 

1667
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:13,920
on Westeros. 
Yeah. 

1668
01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:16,880
Not to mention their plans after
Westeros, right? 

1669
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:19,960
They're going to need to, yeah, 
conquer all these other Kingdom,

1670
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:21,560
whichever Kingdom they had their
sights on. 

1671
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:24,880
Whether it was Volantis Lease, 
Summer Islands, who knows, but 

1672
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:28,200
it was something and that is a 
you're right, that requires a 

1673
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:30,440
huge outlay of cash to get 
going. 

1674
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:34,400
So that also fits really well 
with the procession of events, 

1675
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:36,400
which we'll get into more detail
later. 

1676
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:41,720
But the fact is they first took 
the the disputed lands, which 

1677
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:44,360
like also we'll talk about in 
more detail later, but they next

1678
01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:48,000
took Ty rush, which is what 
Aleko wanted, and he's the one 

1679
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:51,840
that held on to his take from 
the band of nine longest. 

1680
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:55,960
He's the one that fell last 
after all of them and and he got

1681
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:58,440
Tyrod. 
And so Tyrod was kind of became 

1682
01:30:58,440 --> 01:31:00,200
their base of operations in a 
sense. 

1683
01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:03,440
And it makes sense that the guy 
that's funding things would get 

1684
01:31:03,440 --> 01:31:07,800
his money and his goal taken 
care of kind of early on, right?

1685
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:10,800
That that fits like pay the pay 
the back or back his money. 

1686
01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:14,760
And, and very noticeably, he 
didn't go to the stepstone. 

1687
01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:16,360
He. 
Doesn't seem like a warrior, 

1688
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:19,400
yeah. 
You know, he, he made very sure 

1689
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:23,280
that he would be, you know, nice
and and safe right up until he. 

1690
01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:25,800
Wasn't. 
Didn't pay attention to matters 

1691
01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:27,920
closer to home. 
Yeah, no one, no one. 

1692
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:30,760
He was not taken out by a sword,
let's put it that way. 

1693
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:33,240
So yeah, the thing that reminds 
me of Zarro is how you have 

1694
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:37,240
someone that is not warlike 
necessarily. 

1695
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:39,680
And not that he wasn't for sure,
it just he doesn't seem like it 

1696
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:41,600
with a name like the silver 
tongue and being a merchant 

1697
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:44,400
Prince, just like you say, he 
seems like the money man, not 

1698
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:46,520
the violent man. 
He's he's totally fine with 

1699
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:49,520
violence being done, but it's 
not him specifically personally 

1700
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:51,160
dealing it out. 
He's paying other people to do 

1701
01:31:51,160 --> 01:31:53,840
that, like a mob accountant or 
something. 

1702
01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:57,280
Yeah. 
And so this guy. 

1703
01:31:57,280 --> 01:32:00,720
Actually, actually, I was, I was
going to say he reminds me a lot

1704
01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:05,160
of like Meyer Lansky, right? 
A sort of, you know, more of 

1705
01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:08,640
this sort of businessman 
gangster, but also someone who 

1706
01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:12,360
was very good at like convincing
other people to do stuff 

1707
01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:15,920
organizationally, which he would
benefit from enormously. 

1708
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:18,000
That's a great. 
Comp yeah, I've I love to listen

1709
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:21,560
to mafia podcast and I've been 
listening to some I recently 

1710
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:23,480
listened to something about 
Mayer Lansky, so that's fresh in

1711
01:32:23,480 --> 01:32:25,440
my mind. 
That's a great comp and like 

1712
01:32:25,440 --> 01:32:29,560
Zaro Zaro was just like flattery
and just constantly giving Danny

1713
01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:32,440
gifts and just trying to get 
what he wanted out of her by and

1714
01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:35,600
and never seemed to get. 
I mean, eventually he got 

1715
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:38,600
frustrated, but he was just 
always just playing it off like,

1716
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:42,520
oh, you know, you make me sad 
with your with this and that. 

1717
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:45,760
Why not just sail around the 
gold, you know, sail around UT 

1718
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:49,160
with me and drink from the wine 
of poetry, whatever he says all 

1719
01:32:49,200 --> 01:32:51,160
his flowery language, but it 
sounds like very silvery, you 

1720
01:32:51,160 --> 01:32:52,200
know, and I think of silver 
tongue. 

1721
01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:53,680
I'm like, this is the kind of 
tough star he's. 

1722
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:57,080
Very, very flattering. 
And also you get the sense 

1723
01:32:57,080 --> 01:33:01,640
someone who tremendously 
insincere, right? 

1724
01:33:02,440 --> 01:33:05,800
Doxos's whole thing is that he's
always like the thing that he 

1725
01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:09,160
claims to want is not never the 
thing that he actually wants, 

1726
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:12,040
right, 'cause he's like, you 
know, oh, Danny, I'm so in love 

1727
01:33:12,040 --> 01:33:13,920
with you. 
I'm totally not sexually 

1728
01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:18,600
interested in you in any way. 
But it's like, you know, but I 

1729
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:21,160
need to marry you because I want
this dragon, because I want. 

1730
01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:24,360
You know, good point. 
Yeah. 

1731
01:33:24,360 --> 01:33:28,000
You wonder like how would 
Aliquot speak to Meili see this 

1732
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:30,960
like say the nicest thing is 
like this guy is just so full of

1733
01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:32,320
it. 
It's like you're you're 

1734
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:34,840
frightening visit. 
He just the most clever ways to 

1735
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:36,680
call him frightening without 
calling him ugly. 

1736
01:33:36,680 --> 01:33:39,720
You know, just. 
You know, in terms of like, you 

1737
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:42,240
know, how how much honor was 
there among thieves? 

1738
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:45,240
I definitely get the sense that 
like, yeah, they were, they were

1739
01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:47,760
going to use this guy for his 
money and like, yeah, he can 

1740
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:50,760
have Ty Roche. 
Like, I'm sure that Malus 

1741
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:52,800
thought to himself every second 
he was around this guy. 

1742
01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:55,160
I could crush your skull with my
fear. 

1743
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:57,520
Yeah. 
And he and he probably was right

1744
01:33:57,520 --> 01:33:58,600
about that. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

1745
01:33:58,680 --> 01:34:02,120
Just like, you know, give me an 
excuse, I'll do it for fun. 

1746
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:05,160
Yeah, and then and then once he,
if he were able to take 

1747
01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:07,200
Westeros, then he really 
wouldn't have to worry about 

1748
01:34:07,200 --> 01:34:08,600
Aloquoa. 
It would, it would be like an 

1749
01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:10,800
Illyria situation where they'd 
be like, you better give us what

1750
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:14,680
we, what we paid for or we're 
going to start sending a, a 

1751
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:16,520
Faceless man or what have you 
after you. 

1752
01:34:17,480 --> 01:34:21,560
So if we summarize all that, we 
have at least 4 cell sword 

1753
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:23,560
captains there. 
There's some uncertainty with 

1754
01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:24,800
with some of those characters 
there. 

1755
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:26,680
And one of them is crown the 
king Meilis. 

1756
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:29,600
That is 2 pirates and a 
merchant. 

1757
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:31,840
And as we said, a merchant 
Prince is there's some 

1758
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:33,680
similarities to pirates there, 
especially because they both 

1759
01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:37,080
have fleets and then an exile 
knight. 

1760
01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:40,600
So I would guess that these cell
sword companies, these cell 

1761
01:34:40,600 --> 01:34:42,720
sword captains, their their 
companies must have been pretty 

1762
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:46,520
successful, even though apart 
from the golden Company, of 

1763
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:50,240
course, none of them seem to 
still exist that we know of. 

1764
01:34:50,240 --> 01:34:52,040
It's possible they're out there 
somewhere, but. 

1765
01:34:52,360 --> 01:34:54,560
Yeah, well, I mean, the sons are
still, you know, they're. 

1766
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:55,360
That's true. 
The Sons. 

1767
01:34:55,360 --> 01:34:57,160
Family. 
It's obviously a A. 

1768
01:34:57,160 --> 01:35:00,840
Going concern, but as far as we 
know, that's a good point. 

1769
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:02,640
But as far as we know the rest 
of them, if they have 

1770
01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:04,560
descendants that are active, 
we're not aware of it. 

1771
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:06,280
Of course some of them their 
names, we don't even know their 

1772
01:35:06,280 --> 01:35:09,520
names so we wouldn't know. 
But that's a lot of power they 

1773
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:11,040
have. 
It's a it's a variety of types 

1774
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:14,160
of characters and a lot of it's 
very military oriented. 

1775
01:35:14,160 --> 01:35:20,360
But I wonder how much when they 
started off in the step stones, 

1776
01:35:20,360 --> 01:35:24,760
I wonder how much action they 
had right, how much fighting 

1777
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:26,400
they had to do. 
This is jumping ahead a little 

1778
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:30,320
bit, but I wonder if it wasn't 
already partially theirs cause 

1779
01:35:30,320 --> 01:35:32,960
somebody needed pirate. 
The Step Stones is almost always

1780
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:37,560
in the hands of pirates and so. 
Yeah, it's a good question. 

1781
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:39,440
One of the sort of interesting 
questions. 

1782
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:41,680
Obviously, you know, there's 
different groups of pirates, 

1783
01:35:41,680 --> 01:35:43,320
right? 
They don't always get along. 

1784
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:46,320
So how much did they have to 
sort of clear out the locals 

1785
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:47,880
first? 
Because, you know, you 

1786
01:35:47,880 --> 01:35:51,000
definitely see in, in the, like,
long history of the war from the

1787
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:54,480
step stones, right? 
Different groups of pirates and 

1788
01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:59,480
privateers and, you know, 
official navies all kind of like

1789
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:04,480
warring for these little rocky 
harbors that nonetheless can, 

1790
01:36:04,480 --> 01:36:07,440
like, let them, you know, sneak 
in, you know, pirate ships in 

1791
01:36:07,440 --> 01:36:08,120
and out. 
Yeah. 

1792
01:36:08,600 --> 01:36:11,200
The fact that like Jamie was 
talking about the Ebon Prince 

1793
01:36:11,200 --> 01:36:15,080
suggests he was on the ground 
fighting like some of them 

1794
01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:18,840
probably did get away, right? 
And especially the cell sales, 

1795
01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:21,560
it's much easier if if they get 
away, they. 

1796
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:22,880
Can just. 
Take a boat. 

1797
01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:24,000
You know they're gone. 
You're not. 

1798
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:25,920
Going to chase them to the 
Basilisk Isles or what have you 

1799
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:26,760
like. 
Oh well, they got away. 

1800
01:36:27,440 --> 01:36:30,520
Yeah, yeah, the, the, it's, it's
the fighting men. 

1801
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:35,120
Especially if their their cell 
sale fleets go away, then 

1802
01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:37,680
they're stuck. 
Then they have to just win or 

1803
01:36:37,680 --> 01:36:39,440
die. 
Yeah, that's a good point. 

1804
01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:44,000
So yeah, we have as far as our 
document goes, this is a 20 page

1805
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:46,560
document and we are roughly on 
page 9. 

1806
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:48,200
So let's we've got a little more
time. 

1807
01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:50,680
Let's start with the beginning 
of the procession of events and 

1808
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:53,200
then we'll we'll call it an 
episode and come back. 

1809
01:36:54,160 --> 01:36:56,800
But let's talk about since we've
been focused on the SO side, 

1810
01:36:56,800 --> 01:36:58,720
let's stick with that. 
We'll come back to the Westeros 

1811
01:36:58,720 --> 01:37:03,160
side when we probably next time.
So on the western side of the 

1812
01:37:03,160 --> 01:37:06,440
Narrow Sea, you've got this 
formation of the Golden of the 

1813
01:37:06,640 --> 01:37:08,320
Band of Nine. 
Now there's a large gap here. 

1814
01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:11,920
We don't know what led to this. 
We don't know who was 

1815
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:14,240
particularly responsible. 
Of course, it seems it's 

1816
01:37:14,240 --> 01:37:18,320
tempting to think that someone 
like Alec Lo, the the guy who's 

1817
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:21,520
a good talker, would have, would
be really important in terms of 

1818
01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:23,080
bringing them together and 
convincing them this was 

1819
01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:25,560
possible. 
But still, no matter who did it,

1820
01:37:25,640 --> 01:37:28,640
it's quite a feat. 
Sell swords and sell sword. 

1821
01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:32,440
Captains and pirates like 
trusting each other to carve out

1822
01:37:32,440 --> 01:37:36,280
kingdoms under, you know, to 
have to stick to this agreement.

1823
01:37:36,280 --> 01:37:40,240
And what the heck is the tree of
crown, this thing they met under

1824
01:37:40,240 --> 01:37:42,880
to make this pledge? 
What on earth is that? 

1825
01:37:43,200 --> 01:37:46,000
And why is it in the disputed 
lands of all place? 

1826
01:37:46,200 --> 01:37:49,280
A place that first of all, the 
fact that it's called the 

1827
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:53,040
disputed lands, it needs some 
conversation like the natives 

1828
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:55,080
call it that. 
I kind of doubt it, but it's a 

1829
01:37:55,080 --> 01:37:57,400
place that doesn't know kings 
and Queens very well. 

1830
01:37:57,400 --> 01:37:59,520
It's a place that has rejected 
kings and Queens. 

1831
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:03,680
It's a place that has archons 
and and whatever they're called 

1832
01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:05,480
in Volantis. 
Yeah, fences like that. 

1833
01:38:05,480 --> 01:38:07,000
They're not. 
They don't have triarchs. 

1834
01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:08,320
Yeah. 
That, that slipped my mind there

1835
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:11,520
for a second. 
So kings and Queens aren't a big

1836
01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:14,080
thing in Essos. 
So the Tree of Crowns is, it's a

1837
01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:16,080
strange kind. 
It might be where these dreams 

1838
01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:18,080
go to die. 
It might be like an homage to 

1839
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:20,240
the fact that they don't have 
kings and Queens. 

1840
01:38:20,240 --> 01:38:22,040
But I would love to hear your 
thoughts on it. 

1841
01:38:22,040 --> 01:38:24,360
It's a very evocative name, but.
Yeah. 

1842
01:38:24,440 --> 01:38:27,000
I mean, I get the sense that 
like almost, you know, if if you

1843
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:31,360
were gonna like, you know, mount
a stage production of the story,

1844
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:36,160
right, that it's like Alekro or 
whoever had that there was some 

1845
01:38:36,160 --> 01:38:40,480
tree that they agreed to meet 
under and he had crowns put 

1846
01:38:40,480 --> 01:38:43,680
there and like each one was 
taking one off the tree. 

1847
01:38:44,600 --> 01:38:47,400
That's so cool. 
This needs to be ATV show or 

1848
01:38:47,400 --> 01:38:48,960
something. 
We need to see that on screen. 

1849
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:49,560
That's a great. 
Idea. 

1850
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:52,240
Well, we'll, we'll see what you 
know, how far blood of the 

1851
01:38:52,240 --> 01:38:53,840
dragon gets. 
Yeah, one day we might get 

1852
01:38:53,880 --> 01:38:55,080
there. 
Yeah, you never know. 

1853
01:38:55,920 --> 01:38:59,760
It it definitely seemed, you 
know, it, it has this sort of 

1854
01:39:00,160 --> 01:39:04,240
slightly mythic feel to it that 
they're all kind of like making 

1855
01:39:04,240 --> 01:39:07,120
this pled. 
Oh, actually, you know what it 

1856
01:39:07,120 --> 01:39:09,880
reminds me of a little bit? 
The romance of the Three 

1857
01:39:09,880 --> 01:39:11,000
Kingdom. 
OK. 

1858
01:39:11,440 --> 01:39:12,680
I'm not super familiar with 
that. 

1859
01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:15,120
I mean, I know it's a Chinese. 
Yeah, so there's an oath. 

1860
01:39:15,520 --> 01:39:18,160
The Oath of the Peach. 
That's what he got it from. 

1861
01:39:18,160 --> 01:39:19,280
Son of a bitch. 
You nailed it. 

1862
01:39:19,280 --> 01:39:22,320
All right, tell us. 
So in the Romance of the Three 

1863
01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:26,320
Kingdoms right, which is 
explaining this Warring States 

1864
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:33,920
period, these three generals, 
Lube, Guan Yu and Sheng Fei take

1865
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:38,920
this oath in a Peach guard that 
they will all be sworn brothers 

1866
01:39:38,920 --> 01:39:42,000
from here on out. 
And that they will all, you 

1867
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:47,720
know, band together to defeat 
this the Yellow Turban Rebellion

1868
01:39:47,720 --> 01:39:52,120
and then later take on try to 
conquer the all of China. 

1869
01:39:52,840 --> 01:39:59,240
And then it didn't end well. 
There's a there's a thing they 

1870
01:39:59,240 --> 01:40:00,240
have in common. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

1871
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:03,080
So. 
Tree of Crowns, Oath of the 

1872
01:40:03,080 --> 01:40:07,640
Peach Garden, it's got this sort
of sense of like these these 

1873
01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:12,120
guys coming together to, you 
know, pledge undying loyalty. 

1874
01:40:12,120 --> 01:40:15,720
And that's going to last right 
up until the moment it doesn't. 

1875
01:40:16,200 --> 01:40:20,440
Right when you know the moment 
in the heist when Reservoir 

1876
01:40:20,440 --> 01:40:23,800
docks, right when everyone pulls
their guns and on everyone else,

1877
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:26,840
right there's the stand off. 
Right on you, You got you 

1878
01:40:26,840 --> 01:40:29,560
definitely got some attention 
here in the chat. 

1879
01:40:29,560 --> 01:40:33,640
I can see that Jim. 
Let's say, let's say hey, to 

1880
01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:36,920
give a shout out to our buddy 
Jim, AKA something like a 

1881
01:40:36,920 --> 01:40:38,880
lawyer. 
Who is he said I'm getting 

1882
01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:40,840
shades of the oats of the Peach 
orchard here. 

1883
01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:43,320
So I think he typed that into 
the chat before you thought of 

1884
01:40:43,320 --> 01:40:44,560
it. 
So he was he was right there 

1885
01:40:44,560 --> 01:40:46,320
with you. 
You guys were on the same page. 

1886
01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:47,440
Great. 
Times think a lot. 

1887
01:40:47,440 --> 01:40:49,320
Exactly, exactly. 
Well done, y'all. 

1888
01:40:49,320 --> 01:40:51,960
That was great live stuff 
happening right in front of our 

1889
01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:52,920
eyes. 
We didn't plan for that. 

1890
01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:55,800
So that's a great idea that fits
perfectly. 

1891
01:40:55,800 --> 01:40:57,640
And of course, we know George 
has to be aware of that. 

1892
01:40:57,640 --> 01:41:02,360
He's a fan of history and and 
great stories like that fits too

1893
01:41:02,360 --> 01:41:05,560
well to to not be on to it fits 
too well to throw that idea 

1894
01:41:05,560 --> 01:41:07,240
away. 
So let's move on a little bit 

1895
01:41:07,240 --> 01:41:08,480
though. 
We've got the another 

1896
01:41:08,960 --> 01:41:12,040
interesting topic that I want to
think about the the change to 

1897
01:41:12,040 --> 01:41:13,320
the Golden Company. 
This is something we talked 

1898
01:41:13,320 --> 01:41:16,520
about in prior episodes, but I 
want to think about the middle 

1899
01:41:16,520 --> 01:41:18,360
portion here. 
What we've talked about before 

1900
01:41:18,360 --> 01:41:21,720
was what the Golden Company was 
like at the beginning versus 

1901
01:41:21,720 --> 01:41:25,000
what they're like now and how 
they've changed, which is to say

1902
01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:29,040
that nowadays they're more of a 
evolved fighting force. 

1903
01:41:29,480 --> 01:41:32,200
At the beginning they were 
surely mostly just Knights and 

1904
01:41:32,200 --> 01:41:36,120
and and Westerosi style of 
fighting, but over generations 

1905
01:41:36,120 --> 01:41:39,280
of living in Essos fighting 
against Dothraki and other free 

1906
01:41:39,280 --> 01:41:41,840
companies and all these other 
things, they would learn and 

1907
01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:45,040
adapt and change. 
For example, they have a large 

1908
01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:48,520
archery contingent led by Black 
Balak, which almost certainly 

1909
01:41:48,520 --> 01:41:51,000
was not part of the original 
batch of Golden Company. 

1910
01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:52,920
Or, or or maybe it was to a 
smaller degree. 

1911
01:41:53,160 --> 01:41:54,880
A bigger thing is the elephants,
right? 

1912
01:41:54,880 --> 01:41:57,120
There were no elephants in the 
original Golden Company, as far 

1913
01:41:57,120 --> 01:42:00,040
as we know. 
Certainly got from fighting the 

1914
01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:01,000
volunteer. 
Yeah. 

1915
01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:04,880
So here we have roughly, it's 
not the midway point. 

1916
01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:07,000
Obviously the Golden Company had
been around since about 2:12. 

1917
01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:08,480
So. 
So by the time the Golden 

1918
01:42:08,480 --> 01:42:12,240
Company invades during the 9 
Penny Kings War would be about 

1919
01:42:12,640 --> 01:42:14,360
50, almost 50 years after their 
founding. 

1920
01:42:14,640 --> 01:42:17,520
And nowadays they're about 90 
years after their founding. 

1921
01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:18,880
So it's close to the halfway 
point. 

1922
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:20,960
Yeah, it's been a couple 
generations. 

1923
01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:26,400
The the people who are like 
Ancestral Golden Company are now

1924
01:42:26,400 --> 01:42:28,880
what you know, potentially 3 
generations deep. 

1925
01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:31,120
Yes. 
But also, a lot of people would 

1926
01:42:31,120 --> 01:42:32,840
have died and had to, you know, 
be. 

1927
01:42:32,840 --> 01:42:35,840
Replaced. 
So I wonder, I mean, I kind of 

1928
01:42:35,840 --> 01:42:39,080
doubt that that that this level,
this aspect of the Golden 

1929
01:42:39,080 --> 01:42:40,800
Company had elephants, but they 
might have. 

1930
01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:43,560
I don't know that they would 
have used elephants on the step 

1931
01:42:43,560 --> 01:42:45,200
stones. 
That seems like the kind of 

1932
01:42:45,200 --> 01:42:46,240
thing they would if they had 
them. 

1933
01:42:46,240 --> 01:42:48,240
They would wait to use them on 
Westeros proper. 

1934
01:42:48,240 --> 01:42:52,400
It doesn't seem like the kind of
island fighting isn't really for

1935
01:42:52,400 --> 01:42:53,880
elephants. 
So I don't know about that. 

1936
01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:56,760
It's a transportation would be 
too difficult, but maybe. 

1937
01:42:56,880 --> 01:42:59,880
But just it's just for fun. 
Think about Meili Sumonstress on

1938
01:42:59,880 --> 01:43:01,600
an elephant. 
That's not as terrifying as 

1939
01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:05,080
Magor on Valerian, but hey, in a
dragonless world, that's as 

1940
01:43:05,080 --> 01:43:06,680
close as we can get. 
Like what's next? 

1941
01:43:06,800 --> 01:43:10,960
What's the next closest thing? 
Meili's on a shark or on a 

1942
01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:12,680
Kraken? 
Meili's riding to battle on a 

1943
01:43:12,680 --> 01:43:13,720
Kraken. 
That's pretty sweet. 

1944
01:43:13,720 --> 01:43:18,160
Yeah, and they definitely, I 
mean by this point they they 

1945
01:43:18,160 --> 01:43:24,040
must have picked up the close in
spear fighting of the Ansulli. 

1946
01:43:24,240 --> 01:43:26,800
Oh yeah. 
Calling the pipe that's true 

1947
01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:27,320
'cause. 
They fought. 

1948
01:43:27,320 --> 01:43:29,720
They fought them already. 
It's it's. 

1949
01:43:30,240 --> 01:43:33,760
So this is probably you're 
right, some sort of intermediary

1950
01:43:34,280 --> 01:43:35,360
state. 
Yeah. 

1951
01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:39,640
And I wonder if they took 
special preparations to prepare 

1952
01:43:39,640 --> 01:43:43,120
for the fact that they'd be 
doing this island hopping, like,

1953
01:43:43,120 --> 01:43:48,000
you know, planning how to outfit
yourself for such a battle. 

1954
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:50,640
Or if it's a campaign is is 
possibly quite different than 

1955
01:43:50,640 --> 01:43:52,680
anything they've done before. 
Certainly very different from 

1956
01:43:52,680 --> 01:43:54,520
most W Rossi. 
Like, there's some examples of 

1957
01:43:54,520 --> 01:43:58,600
that, but not many incredibly. 
Complicated, we can see from, 

1958
01:43:59,160 --> 01:44:00,560
you know, Dance with Dragons, 
right? 

1959
01:44:01,160 --> 01:44:06,280
They're landing on one coast of 
a big continent, right? 

1960
01:44:06,280 --> 01:44:09,560
And even then they are spread 
the fuck out and not all of the 

1961
01:44:09,560 --> 01:44:12,920
ships have arrived. 
And here, you know, they're 

1962
01:44:12,920 --> 01:44:17,320
trying to take all of these tiny
little islands and, you know, a 

1963
01:44:17,320 --> 01:44:21,240
lot of island hopping and, you 
know, so it's not just like 1 

1964
01:44:21,240 --> 01:44:24,160
offloading of ships. 
It's a lot of like, OK, get on 

1965
01:44:24,160 --> 01:44:27,400
board the ship, go to this 
island, take this island, get 

1966
01:44:27,400 --> 01:44:29,960
back on the ship, take the next,
you know, it's. 

1967
01:44:29,960 --> 01:44:31,480
Without any communication, 
right? 

1968
01:44:31,480 --> 01:44:34,680
Like in a normal like 
continental battle, you send a 

1969
01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:37,360
fast rider to send news or or 
even a Raven. 

1970
01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:39,760
But these are islands. 
Yeah, you can't that that level 

1971
01:44:39,760 --> 01:44:42,760
of communication is impossible. 
You can't just send a rider to 

1972
01:44:42,760 --> 01:44:46,720
another island to coordinate on 
whether you've been successful 

1973
01:44:46,720 --> 01:44:48,000
or what to do next. 
Is that? 

1974
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:49,880
Yeah, it's. 
Really what you can do is is 

1975
01:44:49,880 --> 01:44:52,560
send fast ships with message 
flags. 

1976
01:44:52,680 --> 01:44:54,160
Really. 
And this messiness is going to 

1977
01:44:54,160 --> 01:44:56,160
be a big part of what we talked 
about in Part 2. 

1978
01:44:56,160 --> 01:44:59,440
And it's a big part of why Sept 
and Maribald is so traumatized, 

1979
01:44:59,440 --> 01:45:03,240
because this type of fighting is
right. 

1980
01:45:03,240 --> 01:45:05,680
It's more difficult, it's more 
stressful, it's less certain. 

1981
01:45:05,960 --> 01:45:08,040
And it's it's in a foreign land 
too. 

1982
01:45:08,040 --> 01:45:10,840
Like that's another major 
difference about this war is 

1983
01:45:10,840 --> 01:45:14,760
that most of the wars in the 
history of Westeros were civil 

1984
01:45:14,760 --> 01:45:20,720
wars or fighting Dorn, right? 
Or Kingdom versus Kingdom. 

1985
01:45:20,720 --> 01:45:22,840
I mean, I'm, I guess in the more
recent history of Westeros, it's

1986
01:45:22,840 --> 01:45:24,960
fighting Dorn, but in the long 
history of Westeros, it's just 

1987
01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:27,600
in in fighting between Kingdom 
and Kingdom or within in a 

1988
01:45:27,600 --> 01:45:31,600
Kingdom. 
Having Westerosi peasant levies 

1989
01:45:31,600 --> 01:45:36,680
taken outside of Westeros is. 
I can't think of another time 

1990
01:45:36,680 --> 01:45:39,000
that's happened. 
You know, we'll, we'll talk 

1991
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:43,240
about this more when we when we 
get to this, but seems like they

1992
01:45:43,240 --> 01:45:44,920
were on those islands for a 
while. 

1993
01:45:44,920 --> 01:45:49,400
Yeah, not a short time. 
Just 'cause you don't normally 

1994
01:45:49,400 --> 01:45:53,520
get, you know, epidemic 
diseases, you know, if it's just

1995
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:58,080
a brief campaign that suggests, 
you know, settling down for for 

1996
01:45:58,080 --> 01:46:00,560
a while. 
Yeah, I definitely agree with 

1997
01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:04,200
that. 
So there's it's it's, it's a big

1998
01:46:04,200 --> 01:46:05,520
part of it. 
There's probably, like you say, 

1999
01:46:05,520 --> 01:46:08,960
there's probably part of that is
due to the uncertainty and the 

2000
01:46:08,960 --> 01:46:11,680
lack of communication. 
You have squadrons of men or 

2001
01:46:11,680 --> 01:46:14,440
groups of men that don't know 
what their orders are and 

2002
01:46:14,440 --> 01:46:16,320
they're cut off from the main 
body, which means they're not 

2003
01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:18,720
going to be supplied, which 
means there you go. 

2004
01:46:18,760 --> 01:46:21,040
That's where the disease and 
stuff can really, really hit 

2005
01:46:21,040 --> 01:46:22,400
hard. 
And then they're in court. 

2006
01:46:22,400 --> 01:46:24,920
Then let's say they find their 
way back to the main group and 

2007
01:46:24,920 --> 01:46:27,640
then they infect the rest of 
their fellows or some of them. 

2008
01:46:27,680 --> 01:46:28,800
Yeah. 
It just, it's so there's so many

2009
01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:31,160
ways things that can go wrong in
a situation like this. 

2010
01:46:32,040 --> 01:46:34,200
Like you said, that is something
we're going to get into much 

2011
01:46:34,200 --> 01:46:35,720
more detail with the next 
episode. 

2012
01:46:35,720 --> 01:46:37,640
I definitely wanted to kind of 
set the stage for that because I

2013
01:46:37,640 --> 01:46:39,960
think it's super fascinating, 
super interesting, and I also 

2014
01:46:39,960 --> 01:46:41,960
wanted to give you all a little 
tease of what we're going to be 

2015
01:46:41,960 --> 01:46:43,440
talking about in the next 
episode. 

2016
01:46:43,840 --> 01:46:46,760
In addition to that, of course, 
as I mentioned the beginning, a 

2017
01:46:46,760 --> 01:46:49,960
big part of this is the 
aftermath, the coordination of 

2018
01:46:49,960 --> 01:46:55,480
people like John Aron and 
Blackfish and Hoster Tulley and 

2019
01:46:55,480 --> 01:46:58,120
Peter Baelish's dad. 
All these people came together, 

2020
01:46:58,240 --> 01:47:01,320
Tywin Aries, we didn't get a 
chance to talk about any of 

2021
01:47:01,320 --> 01:47:05,160
these guys in this episode. 
And we have a ton of quotes we 

2022
01:47:05,160 --> 01:47:07,720
pulled, but most of them are 
Part 2 because they describe the

2023
01:47:07,720 --> 01:47:09,080
action and the and the back and 
forth. 

2024
01:47:09,320 --> 01:47:13,200
So we probably pulled like 15 or
20 quotes, but I think only 

2025
01:47:13,200 --> 01:47:14,480
three of them were in Part 1 
here. 

2026
01:47:14,480 --> 01:47:17,360
So Ashaya will be reading a lot 
more quotes for y'all next time 

2027
01:47:17,360 --> 01:47:20,040
around. 
So let us say thanks to 

2028
01:47:20,040 --> 01:47:22,880
everybody. 
Thanks you to y'all who came 

2029
01:47:22,880 --> 01:47:27,840
live and watched and upvoted the
episode and and added to the 

2030
01:47:28,040 --> 01:47:31,040
great discussion. 
It looked like the chat was was 

2031
01:47:31,040 --> 01:47:32,960
moving very rapidly. 
Lots of you guys had great 

2032
01:47:32,960 --> 01:47:34,680
comments and and things that 
were added in. 

2033
01:47:34,760 --> 01:47:35,960
I wish I could have watched all 
of that. 

2034
01:47:35,960 --> 01:47:37,120
I'll have to go back and look at
it. 

2035
01:47:37,320 --> 01:47:40,840
Quite a quite a lot. 
Quite a lot of it was off topic.

2036
01:47:40,920 --> 01:47:42,680
OK, well still, I bet it was 
fun. 

2037
01:47:43,200 --> 01:47:45,320
Oh yeah, more fun. 
Cool. 

2038
01:47:45,360 --> 01:47:47,280
Excellent. 
Another character who's going to

2039
01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:50,760
come up a lot is Brienne. 
Surprisingly, next episode, 

2040
01:47:50,760 --> 01:47:54,000
because Brienne is is kind of 
our windowed aftermath. 

2041
01:47:54,440 --> 01:47:57,160
And it's not just the windowed 
aftermath of the War of 5 Kings 

2042
01:47:57,520 --> 01:48:00,640
because she encounters people 
who fought in the War of 9 Penny

2043
01:48:00,640 --> 01:48:02,840
things. 
And that is like Sept and 

2044
01:48:02,840 --> 01:48:05,480
Maribald prime example, but he's
not the only one. 

2045
01:48:05,480 --> 01:48:07,680
So I'm excited to share some of 
these other details with you 

2046
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:09,960
that y'all might not have been 
aware of. 

2047
01:48:09,960 --> 01:48:12,040
I think most of you remember 
Sept and Maribald, but maybe not

2048
01:48:12,040 --> 01:48:15,600
some of these other characters. 
All right, So thanks to Ashea 

2049
01:48:15,640 --> 01:48:17,720
for doing so many things at 
once. 

2050
01:48:17,720 --> 01:48:19,400
As always, thank you to 
everybody. 

2051
01:48:19,400 --> 01:48:22,240
Like I said, everybody who 
watched and liked and subscribed

2052
01:48:22,240 --> 01:48:24,640
and shared. 
Thank you to anyone who's who 

2053
01:48:24,640 --> 01:48:26,800
subscribes to our Patreon and 
Stevens Patreon. 

2054
01:48:27,280 --> 01:48:29,680
Steven, please tell everyone, 
remind everybody what you've 

2055
01:48:29,680 --> 01:48:30,960
been up to, what you've got 
coming. 

2056
01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:32,480
I know we did that at the 
beginning, but if you have 

2057
01:48:32,480 --> 01:48:36,120
different things to share or if 
you want to just emphasize, go 

2058
01:48:36,120 --> 01:48:41,400
for it. 
So John 5 of Storm of Swords is 

2059
01:48:41,400 --> 01:48:47,320
live on the Patreon right now. 
Next up, I've got a you know, I 

2060
01:48:47,320 --> 01:48:51,160
want to start my Duncan Egg 
essays, you know, which is going

2061
01:48:51,160 --> 01:48:54,080
to be very much about the whole 
kind of black fire element. 

2062
01:48:54,240 --> 01:48:59,320
All of them excellent. 
I've got some like leftover 

2063
01:48:59,320 --> 01:49:02,600
projects from back in the day 
where like I had the whole life 

2064
01:49:02,600 --> 01:49:06,520
of the high spider that like I 
never I was going to pull 

2065
01:49:06,520 --> 01:49:10,640
together into one document and 
give a good edit because there's

2066
01:49:10,640 --> 01:49:14,680
like some continuity problems. 
Never did the third part of our 

2067
01:49:14,680 --> 01:49:16,960
of the wolf. 
So like, I've got some, some 

2068
01:49:17,120 --> 01:49:22,080
projects to do while I'm taking 
a little bit of a break from 

2069
01:49:22,160 --> 01:49:25,160
Storm of Swords. 
But like once I've, I've, you 

2070
01:49:25,160 --> 01:49:28,640
know, once I, I, I get my 
hankering for storm of Swords 

2071
01:49:28,640 --> 01:49:31,240
back. 
The big thing is going to be 

2072
01:49:31,800 --> 01:49:36,040
that like push to the Red 
Wedding because it's only 11 

2073
01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:38,240
chapters away. 
We're getting close, huh? 

2074
01:49:39,680 --> 01:49:41,640
Right on. 
I think we're getting there in 

2075
01:49:41,880 --> 01:49:43,160
maybe April. 
I'm not sure. 

2076
01:49:43,160 --> 01:49:45,280
I have to look at our schedule, 
but something like maybe March. 

2077
01:49:45,280 --> 01:49:46,680
But yeah, a little ways away for
us, too. 

2078
01:49:47,280 --> 01:49:49,160
OK, well, thank you very much, 
Steven. 

2079
01:49:49,160 --> 01:49:52,680
We'll work offline to figure out
when to do Part 2, but it won't 

2080
01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:55,880
be 7 or 8 months like last time.
It'll be more like a few weeks 

2081
01:49:55,880 --> 01:49:57,320
or one month perhaps, most 
likely. 

2082
01:49:57,320 --> 01:49:58,640
Oh, absolutely. 
Cool. 

2083
01:49:58,680 --> 01:49:59,120
Excellent. 
Yeah. 

2084
01:49:59,120 --> 01:50:00,200
I mean, the episode's already 
written. 

2085
01:50:00,200 --> 01:50:01,800
It's not like one of those 
things where I'm almost done. 

2086
01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:03,960
No, it's done. 
Sometimes. 

2087
01:50:03,960 --> 01:50:05,600
My, it's almost done. 
It's turned into months. 

2088
01:50:05,600 --> 01:50:07,160
But this one is done. 
So there's no. 

2089
01:50:07,160 --> 01:50:09,400
Oh, maybe the last little bit 
will take me months. 

2090
01:50:09,400 --> 01:50:11,360
Nope. 
I might add a few more notes, 

2091
01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:14,600
but this is good to go already. 
So yeah, that's exciting. 

2092
01:50:14,600 --> 01:50:18,360
And let me say thanks to all of 
our other folks who support us 

2093
01:50:18,360 --> 01:50:21,280
and give some Patreon shout outs
and some audioses. 

2094
01:50:21,720 --> 01:50:24,040
So thanks to everybody, First 
off. 

2095
01:50:24,040 --> 01:50:25,920
Wait, wait, wait. 
Wait, wait, wait. 

2096
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:28,520
Some audioses. 
Audioses is that? 

2097
01:50:28,640 --> 01:50:29,680
Yeah. 
Audios. 

2098
01:50:29,680 --> 01:50:32,400
Like, like audios, plural? 
Yeah. 

2099
01:50:32,560 --> 01:50:34,800
Audio. 
Oh yeah, I see audios. 

2100
01:50:35,800 --> 01:50:38,720
That's a serial. 
It's a, it's a very loud serial.

2101
01:50:38,840 --> 01:50:43,440
Audio stays crispy and more so. 
Our peers of the realm include 

2102
01:50:43,440 --> 01:50:46,520
the mysterious BR, our Hand of 
the King, Lord Stephen Stark 

2103
01:50:46,560 --> 01:50:50,040
titles titles Hand of Queen 
Ishaya who is known as the best 

2104
01:50:50,320 --> 01:50:52,880
Lord Jim, The fortuitous of Wars
and Politics of Ice and Fire 

2105
01:50:52,880 --> 01:50:56,800
Blog is Warden of the West and a
big member of our chat today. 

2106
01:50:56,800 --> 01:51:00,880
Hey Jim, Lord George Stormsville
the Cunning is Lord of the 

2107
01:51:00,880 --> 01:51:03,720
Chiliad and Warden of East 
Kabeth the Unfrozen, Lord of the

2108
01:51:03,720 --> 01:51:06,360
Bricks and Castle Crimson Light,
Defender of the Old Gods and 

2109
01:51:06,360 --> 01:51:09,080
Warden of the North. 
Lord Brendan Lannister is the 

2110
01:51:09,080 --> 01:51:12,360
bloodline ruler of Castle Everor
and Warden of the South. 

2111
01:51:12,920 --> 01:51:15,600
Lord James Tuttle is King of the
Stepstones on the Narrow Sea, 

2112
01:51:15,720 --> 01:51:18,200
commander of the Royal Fleet 
consisting of the Narrow fleet 

2113
01:51:18,200 --> 01:51:20,800
led by flagship Corrections and 
the Bloodstone fleet led by 

2114
01:51:20,800 --> 01:51:23,480
flagship Prince Damon. 
He's wondering why it is these 

2115
01:51:23,480 --> 01:51:25,200
people are having such trouble 
holding the Stepstones. 

2116
01:51:25,200 --> 01:51:27,520
It hasn't been any trouble for 
him, and he's controlling the 

2117
01:51:27,520 --> 01:51:30,200
Narrow Sea at the same time. 
Well, show me how it's done. 

2118
01:51:30,200 --> 01:51:33,600
Lord James King Beyond the Wall.
Sydney Jesse, the Fallborn Lord 

2119
01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:36,000
of Blue Spring and the Haunted 
Forest wields a dagger of 

2120
01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:38,160
dragonglass and the Valyrian 
steel blade Red Frost. 

2121
01:51:38,160 --> 01:51:40,640
He cannot understand why anyone 
would want to live on an island 

2122
01:51:40,640 --> 01:51:43,600
chain when there's a perfectly 
good Beyond the Wall area to 

2123
01:51:43,600 --> 01:51:44,080
live in. 
Huh. 

2124
01:51:44,840 --> 01:51:47,520
Some people. 
Lady Sarah Connolly is the 

2125
01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:49,640
willful. 
She says wit beyond measure is 

2126
01:51:49,640 --> 01:51:52,240
man's greatest treasure. 
Treasure. 

2127
01:51:52,240 --> 01:51:53,160
What did I say? 
Treasure. 

2128
01:51:53,600 --> 01:51:56,880
And she is Jenny's patron. 
White Walkers include a ray of 

2129
01:51:56,880 --> 01:51:59,440
Flint of the mountain flints 
captured by the Weeper, only to 

2130
01:51:59,440 --> 01:52:02,880
be raised in valley oak, water, 
blue eyes and golden memories. 

2131
01:52:03,120 --> 01:52:06,480
Alexander Greyblood is first of 
the first men now crowned in ice

2132
01:52:06,480 --> 01:52:09,000
called Silence, Bringer, Wood 
Blinder and the Snow of Night, 

2133
01:52:09,000 --> 01:52:11,680
wielder of the ice forged great 
sword Pale Frost. 

2134
01:52:12,080 --> 01:52:15,200
Our small council includes Lord 
Daniel the sneaky Russian master

2135
01:52:15,200 --> 01:52:18,160
of ships, Lord Benjen of House 
Horn Wood, Master of Laws, Lord 

2136
01:52:18,160 --> 01:52:20,520
Fabian Flowers the Bastard of 
Green Shield, Master of Coin, 

2137
01:52:20,520 --> 01:52:23,440
and Lord Johan of House Orcos 
called Shadowhawk, Master of 

2138
01:52:23,440 --> 01:52:25,400
Whispers. 
Our Lords and ladies in their 

2139
01:52:25,400 --> 01:52:28,880
castles include Lord Excuse me, 
Lady Dyer, Liz of Castle Nachi, 

2140
01:52:28,880 --> 01:52:31,360
the Alpha patron, Lord Dan of 
the Red Mountains and Castle 

2141
01:52:31,360 --> 01:52:33,080
Great Bell is breaker of the 
second stone. 

2142
01:52:33,520 --> 01:52:35,320
Gregor the Tosti is Lord of the 
Red Fort. 

2143
01:52:35,520 --> 01:52:38,120
Lord Ryan of Castle Stonegate is
guardian of the Rocky Mountain 

2144
01:52:38,120 --> 01:52:41,280
Pass Ashland Winner is the Hawks
Eye Lady of Castle Skyfall. 

2145
01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:44,320
Lady Michaela Moonacre is leader
of the Weirwood Protectorate 

2146
01:52:44,320 --> 01:52:45,920
Alliance. 
The Lord of the Halls of Castle 

2147
01:52:45,920 --> 01:52:47,960
Hillcrest is wielder of the 
Valyrian steel machete. 

2148
01:52:47,960 --> 01:52:51,840
Ever Lord of Alistair Whitaker, 
the Lord of the Donahoe, Lord 

2149
01:52:51,840 --> 01:52:54,520
Bemi Snugglebunny is guardian 
Ranger of the hidden 100 acre 

2150
01:52:54,520 --> 01:52:56,960
weirwood, dual wielder of the 
Valyrian short swords, Glorious 

2151
01:52:56,960 --> 01:52:59,600
Morning and little light wives, 
sharpshooter of the weirwood in 

2152
01:52:59,600 --> 01:53:01,520
Ironwood, laminated Longbow Todd
von Oben. 

2153
01:53:01,720 --> 01:53:04,520
When you fear things cannot get 
worse, Snugglebunny enters the 

2154
01:53:04,520 --> 01:53:06,360
fray. 
The Bastard of the Wolf's Wood 

2155
01:53:06,360 --> 01:53:08,760
is First Forester of the Old 
Gods, sworn to house iron 

2156
01:53:08,760 --> 01:53:10,720
weirwood. 
Listen for the silence. 

2157
01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:13,960
Lady Liana Kelly of Wolf Island 
is protectress of the steel. 

2158
01:53:14,440 --> 01:53:17,600
Casey Stark is of House Acres. 
Lady K of House Archer is Lady 

2159
01:53:17,600 --> 01:53:20,480
of the Earth Dog Hall, huntress 
of Wolf's of the Wolf's Wood, 

2160
01:53:20,480 --> 01:53:22,320
and guardian of Matty Squirrel's
vein. 

2161
01:53:22,320 --> 01:53:26,160
The mighty Dire One, Lady Raywin
of House Dils Dane is the star 

2162
01:53:26,160 --> 01:53:28,320
spear. 
Peter Rivers is the pale dragon 

2163
01:53:28,320 --> 01:53:31,840
and heir to Bloodraven, and Lady
Carlin Carey of Castle Stone 

2164
01:53:31,840 --> 01:53:35,120
Sharp, whose horses shot in 
Valyrian steel, is Lady Rider of

2165
01:53:35,120 --> 01:53:37,760
the Rising Pools. 
King's Justice, Sir Troy the 

2166
01:53:37,760 --> 01:53:40,360
Steady is wielder of the 
Valyrian steel blade. 

2167
01:53:40,360 --> 01:53:43,400
Fate. 
And because we've got our audio 

2168
01:53:43,400 --> 01:53:45,960
situation better worked out, now
Shaya can read her Queen's High 

2169
01:53:45,960 --> 01:53:48,680
Counsel. 
Yeah, we've got bloody Ben 

2170
01:53:48,680 --> 01:53:53,120
Blackwood, Master of Whispers, 
Rebeya, Star Eyes, Lady of Waves

2171
01:53:53,120 --> 01:53:57,040
and Mistress of Ships, Captain 
of the Iron Shadow, Cat in the 

2172
01:53:57,040 --> 01:53:58,640
Shadows. 
We bear our. 

2173
01:53:58,640 --> 01:54:01,560
Claws. 
Catherine the Wise of House 

2174
01:54:01,560 --> 01:54:05,040
Trondheim, master of coin, 
Grandmaester. 

2175
01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:08,480
I'm Elizabeth Middle, daughter 
of Liana Mormont, first lady to 

2176
01:54:08,480 --> 01:54:11,880
forge both the silver and 
Valyrian still steel. 

2177
01:54:11,880 --> 01:54:17,120
Link and Laura Burrows, the Lady
of Infinity and Master of Laws. 

2178
01:54:18,120 --> 01:54:22,200
Our Lord Commander is Miriam R, 
We have Sir Glennon of House 

2179
01:54:22,200 --> 01:54:25,400
Leanne called Lion Cloak, our 
longest tenured white sword, Sir

2180
01:54:25,400 --> 01:54:28,720
Dean the White is Knight of the 
Black Star, Sir George of House 

2181
01:54:28,720 --> 01:54:32,320
Pepsi is the Beverage Knight, 
Gregor Snow is called Snow Bear,

2182
01:54:32,320 --> 01:54:35,120
a Bastard of Winterfell. 
Sir Jan Seaworth is Knight of 

2183
01:54:35,120 --> 01:54:38,040
the Southern Snows, and Lisa is 
Water Witch of Dorn. 

2184
01:54:38,360 --> 01:54:41,120
And we also have our Queen's 
Guard for a chanterine. 

2185
01:54:42,240 --> 01:54:46,480
Led by Lord Captain Commander 
Hema Helmet, the Cell Sword 

2186
01:54:46,480 --> 01:54:50,760
Sentinel Alexander of House of 
Tradies from the seat of Dune. 

2187
01:54:50,800 --> 01:54:53,680
I must not fear. 
Fear is the mind killer. 

2188
01:54:54,040 --> 01:54:58,920
SER Rambo, Knight of House 
Cannon, Thirst, Blood, SER Leon 

2189
01:54:58,920 --> 01:55:02,640
of House Walk, House Walker, 
Wielder of the two Valyrian 

2190
01:55:02,640 --> 01:55:06,560
steel blades, Fire and Ice, and 
the weirwood bow. 

2191
01:55:06,760 --> 01:55:10,800
Rain, Amber, the Adamant, the 
Knight of the Mist and Mother of

2192
01:55:10,800 --> 01:55:15,840
Squids, the wintry Wolverine. 
We finish what you begin. 

2193
01:55:16,200 --> 01:55:18,880
And finally, Nora Neko. 
Nora Neko. 

2194
01:55:18,880 --> 01:55:21,000
Nora Neko. 
I'm not sure, but I've said it 

2195
01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:23,400
both ways to cover all bases. 
Red. 

2196
01:55:23,480 --> 01:55:26,360
Our Red Wedding band includes 
Sir Newt of the Rock, lead 

2197
01:55:26,360 --> 01:55:30,080
lutist wielding his weirwood 
loot dwer. 

2198
01:55:30,440 --> 01:55:33,600
See Dwemer note. 
He's explained how to pronounce 

2199
01:55:33,600 --> 01:55:35,880
it to me in an e-mail and so I'm
trying after the Dwemer note. 

2200
01:55:35,880 --> 01:55:38,320
I hope I said that right. 
It's a loot with where would 

2201
01:55:38,320 --> 01:55:39,760
loot with Valyrian steel 
strings? 

2202
01:55:39,760 --> 01:55:43,760
Now that is a fine instrument. 
Our beer guard is led by Lord 

2203
01:55:43,760 --> 01:55:46,960
Commander George the Golden, 
backed up by Sir Joshua Oakhart,

2204
01:55:46,960 --> 01:55:50,040
the White Oak, Lady Rita of the 
Copper Man, The Unbound Dance, 

2205
01:55:50,040 --> 01:55:53,000
the Fervor, Sir Jeff, Warden of 
the AC, wielder of Triad, the 

2206
01:55:53,000 --> 01:55:55,320
multifaceted beard of platinum, 
red and Brown. 

2207
01:55:55,440 --> 01:55:58,480
His motto State Frosty and Sir 
Tim Corgile is Mad Boy of the 

2208
01:55:58,480 --> 01:56:01,320
Western Desert. 
Last but not least is our 

2209
01:56:01,320 --> 01:56:06,160
history of Westeros Nights Watch
and that is commanded by Lord 

2210
01:56:06,160 --> 01:56:10,040
benjen Umber the Silent Giant. 
Who I'm. 

2211
01:56:10,040 --> 01:56:11,520
I'm doing this from memory until
I find it. 

2212
01:56:11,840 --> 01:56:14,320
I hope I said that right. 
Yeah, Lord Commander benjen 

2213
01:56:14,320 --> 01:56:16,600
Umber the silent Giant, wielder 
of the Valyrian still great 

2214
01:56:16,600 --> 01:56:19,080
sword. 
Winter's Kiss backed up by first

2215
01:56:19,080 --> 01:56:21,120
builder Magor Snow AKA Magor the
Cool. 

2216
01:56:21,120 --> 01:56:24,720
The fire in the snow. 1st Ranger
Source * Stellica of House 

2217
01:56:24,720 --> 01:56:26,920
Grand. 
Thanks to everyone who helped 

2218
01:56:26,920 --> 01:56:29,080
contribute. 
There were of as usual 

2219
01:56:29,440 --> 01:56:32,200
contributions from Flick and 
Facebook, a lot of the usual 

2220
01:56:32,200 --> 01:56:35,800
suspects including Nina and a 
lot of our other usual 

2221
01:56:35,800 --> 01:56:37,040
contributors. 
So thanks for that. 

2222
01:56:37,040 --> 01:56:40,240
Thanks for the great questions. 
And if you have questions based 

2223
01:56:40,240 --> 01:56:42,480
on this episode, well, that's 
one of the great things about 

2224
01:56:42,480 --> 01:56:46,360
the fact we're doing 2 episodes 
is we can catch those questions 

2225
01:56:46,360 --> 01:56:47,920
and handle them during the next 
week. 

2226
01:56:48,200 --> 01:56:51,920
So until that is, until that 
time comes when the next episode

2227
01:56:51,920 --> 01:56:54,400
begins, whenever we figure that 
out, we'll see you then. 

2228
01:56:54,440 --> 01:56:57,800
And I'll also see you on Sunday 
for the return of Valerie Ritas.

2229
01:56:57,800 --> 01:57:01,320
We are getting into the 1st 4 
chapters of Storm of Swords and 

2230
01:57:01,320 --> 01:57:03,640
we're looking forward to that. 
So until then, you know what to 

2231
01:57:03,640 --> 01:57:06,080
do folks. 
Valerie Ritas.