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The oh A Song of Ice and Fire is
a fantasy series. 

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There are elements of other 
genres present as well. 

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Perhaps the most prominent is 
horror. 

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It starts right away with 
prologue, a chapter that could 

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probably work as a standalone 
short story. 

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In that prologue, we feel the 
fear building within Will until 

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it peaks when he sees the 
others. 

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It's not just the fear of death 
he's faced that before, though 

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it is clearly present. 
It's not like it's not 

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important, but it's the fear of 
something that should not be a 

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thing that shouldn't exist. 
This is what he's never seen 

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before, and Will grapples with 
that as he's frozen in place, 

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clinging to the tree. 
What he's seeing is outside his 

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reality that he cannot deny that
it's happening. 

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In The Clash of Kings, we meet a
man who claims to worship these 

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beings, though maybe worship 
isn't the right exact word. 

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He calls them by another name 
too, the cold God. 

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So worship the baby isn't 
worship others that aren't 

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actually others. 
Anyway, for this, he considered 

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himself a godly man. 
He says it a lot. 

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This despite his blatant 
practice of incest, which is 

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very much not godly in the eyes 
of most Northerners and most 

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others too. 
Really. 

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The old Gods don't really 
approve of incest, and the old 

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gods and the cold Gods are not 
the same though, so we'll get 

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into that. 
There can be no doubt that the 

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way he treats his wives slash 
daughters is an abomination both

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to us and most people in the 
story in the world. 

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Other free folk don't seem to 
like him, though. 

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His shelter has saved the lives 
of many a Nights Watch Ranger, 

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which, to be fair, might be part
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like him. 
Despite how horrible the man is,

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he's an extremely unique 
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we have a great interest in 
thanks to the overlying 

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mysteries of the story. 
There's really no one else like 

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him. 
The revulsion we feel for him is

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oddly matched by our curiosity, 
something that only an expert 

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writer like George R Martin can 
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Does he actually sacrifice to 
the others because he wants to? 

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Because he thinks he has to? 
Somewhere in between. 

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What happens to the children he 
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them? 
Are they just dead? 

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Or is it like one of his wives 
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others themselves? 
Did he start this before? 

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Did he learn this from somebody?
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We haven't seen it from anyone 
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question. 
The only other people we've 

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heard of treating the others as 
gods have lived in times far, 

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far gone, such as Knights King. 
I mean, that's quite a company 

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to be in. 
We've got a lot to talk about 

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today. 
We've got all that and more on 

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this episode of History of 
Westro's podcast, Hello and 

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welcome everybody. 
Time for a creepy, fun episode. 

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It's always neat to see how 
people react to a topic like 

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this. 
Crasser is undeniably gross, but

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this topic was easily won the 
poll when we put it up against 

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some other. 
Ones there. 

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So gross doesn't mean 
uninteresting. 

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Yeah, absolutely. 
Yeah, you're totally right. 

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How you doing today, Sean? 
You got a I see you got a Star 

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Wars Futurama Simpsons mash up 
there. 

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Yeah, kind of. 
In a tribute to the new Futurama

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season that came out. 
That's right. 

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How many times has it been 
cancelled and and brought back 

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now? 
It's technically just been 

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cancelled twice, but then like 
some of the times it was brought

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back to like multiple movies, so
like it seemed like multiple 

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more run like, but I think it's 
technically twice. 

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So OK, OK, that's interesting, 
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It seems like more it's it's 
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semantics. 
What's worship versus something?

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What's? 
Can't cancel versus discontinue 

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versus switch network 
indefinitely. 

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Paused. 
Yeah, or you know what's there. 

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Either way, it's there's an 
unusual run for any show to have

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that is Futurama, but yeah, all 
three of us like it. 

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You know, you started off the 
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fundamentally this story is 
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Like if you had to categorize it
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it, right? 
But there's definitely other 

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elements to it. 
Political intrigue, you know, 

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drama. 
And as you said, horror. 

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Maybe the the next most after 
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But I think mystery. 
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there with horror. 
That's a good one. 

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Because there's a lot of like 
whodunits that we don't know the

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answer to and. 
A lot of. 

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First book in particular, like 
starts as like being this miss, 

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this murder mystery that Ned is 
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I think the first one more than 
anything, like sets up that it's

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like about a mystery. 
And there's like lots of them. 

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There's all these other 
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and center, really, but still 
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with like who the Harpy is or 
not to mention who Ned's 

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investigating murder. 
So is Catlin. 

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Like Catlin starts like who 
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that's like who tried to kill 
John? 

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Who killed who did kill John? 
Aaron. 

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And then yeah. 
That's the point. 

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Often mystery and horror go hand
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That's true. 
Once again included, it's even 

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at opening scene with What the 
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Setting up a mystery. 
Yeah, what do they want? 

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Crasser himself. 
We just talked about all the 

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questions that come up with him.
You know, that's a great point. 

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Yeah, there's a strong case that
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horror in this series. 
I don't know how you would go 

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about quantifying that, but it's
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Shout out to our friend Nina, 
She added a quite a lot of 

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notice for this one. 
She always adds solid thoughts 

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to our episodes. 
This one is is notable for even 

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more than usual. 
Considering it's like, that's 

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less surprising to me when it's 
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or something like that. 
But when it's crashed, I'm like,

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oh OK, you know, yeah, she's the
same kind of reaction. 

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Like this guy is creepy. 
But Yep, there's a lot to say. 

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There's a lot of analysis and 
and mystery. 

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And latest on Good Queen 
allie.tumblr.com That's of 

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course 1L. 
And Allie is a post on 

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responding to a question on what
kind of rights would divorce 

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noble women have in Westeros? 
And several different 

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permutations on this, such as 
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who's infertile? 
Or is it still responsibility 

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for the husband or the family, 
or what's? 

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How does it work? 
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isn't a ton of detail in the 
books, you need to put together 

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what she can. 
That's pretty cool. 

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Check that out if you're so 
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Like I said, they won more than 
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different choices and next week 
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We'll have a older episode put 
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Some of y'all may not have seen 
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We're going to Chicago. 

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Y'all that's right, we are going
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Tommy Pappas, friend of the 
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I can't believe you're going to 
Chicago without having watched 

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The Bear the Bears. 
If this episode ends and you 

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want to stay immersed, we've got
you covered with suggestions for

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topics related to this one 
trivia question Who does Jon 

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Snow see sleep inside the hollow
of a tree? 

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Answer at the end it's maybe 
this is what inspires him to go 

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in a cave with the grit. 
Now actually no, but it's kind 

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of like a cave. 
It's very small and made of wood

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and it's not a where wood tree 
in case you're wondering, it's 

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just a tree, some large tree set
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Let's talk about a little. 
There's a large person, huh? 

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Could be, could be. 
There's a fishing Ville. 

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We're going to start and end 
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inspiration first, real world 
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Nina wrote a nice little piece 
on a parallel to George R 

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Martin's story Fever Dream, 
which is his, you know, vampire 

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Mississippi riverboat novel, 
which is a very good story that 

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I have been meaning to reread. 
There's a fishing village in 

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Northumberland that's England, 
if you've forgotten, called 

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Craster and Craster Kippers, 
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known around the world the ones 
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The village is not far from 
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Now we've talked about Dunston 
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because it's likely the 
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Castle. 
The people that held Dunston bur

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had a similar story that the 
Mandalisted, where they were 

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forced to flee and they exiled 
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situation. 
And yeah, anyway, well, we go 

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into that in the Mandalay 
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But George has been there. 
And the Craster, like, if you're

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walking, if you're at Craster 
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this Causeway, you'll get to 
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So since George has been to 
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chance he's heard of this 
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The Craster family has held the 
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Whoa, right. 
I don't know if there's. 

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I don't know if they're 
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I probably not. 
But hey, you know, they've been 

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there a while. 
What's more, Craster in 

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Anglo-Saxon means crows camp or 
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How crazy is that? 
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something George borrowed from, 
because that's too much 

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coincidence. 
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relationship with crows. 
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The Night's Watch. 
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He hates them, yet he gives them
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And his father was a Ranger. 
So there's some definite like 

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human pathos here that we'll 
talk about as well as a lot of 

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the other great topics that are 
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mention. 
And we like to start with that 

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when we have a character 
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because Crashers Keep has been 
so valuable to the Nights Watch 

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as a shelter, the Rangers have 
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Knowing what kind of man he is 
makes lines like this one very 

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awkward quotes. 
Up ahead a hunting horn sounded 

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a quavering note. 
Half drowned me the constant 

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patter of the rain. 
Buckwell's horn, the Old Bear 

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announced. 
The gods are good. 

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Crash is still there. 
His Raven gave a single flap of 

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his big wings, croaked corn, and
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John had often heard the Black 
Brothers tell tales of Craster 

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and his keep. 
Now he would see it with his own

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eyes. 
After seven empty villages, they

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had all come to dread, finding 
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the rest, but it seemed they 
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Perhaps the old bear will 
finally get some answers, he 

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thought. 
Anyway, we'll be out of the 

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rain. 
That's The Clash of Kings, John 

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Three. 
So you see what I mean about 

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that being awkward? 
They're like crafters still 

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there. 
And yes, it's because of the 

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shelter, but they have their 
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Gave them shelter too. 
Why is he still there? 

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That's the part that's really 
awkward because he, as he 

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explains it, it's because he's 
right with the gods and that 

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involves doing all sorts of 
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So yeah, that's pretty awkward. 
A Game of Thrones ends with John

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trying to desert, getting 
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then GR Mormont scolding him and
pointing out that their war is 

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more important than Rob's. 
And and John is kind of struck 

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by that. 
Like, that's a good point, man. 

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And then he announces that 
they're going bong, bong the 

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wall and he's like, oh okay 
Dang, we are, we are going off 

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into adventure. 
I am going to be a Ranger. 

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Sort of, after all. 
It's not exactly what he 

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expected, though, is it? 
And here they are, three 

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chapters into that great 
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That's where that quote falls, 
Nina says. 

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Isn't that quote immediately 
ominous and menacing? 

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In a world of death and 
desolation, crash or diet only 

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survives but doesn't want to 
leave. 

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He's like, yeah, I'm cool here, 
This is like, this is awful 

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landscape. 
Desolate, cold, freezing. 

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Yeah, I'm cool. 
Mormon treats it as a good sign.

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But as I've said and it's we 
should be scared of the fact 

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that he's still there. 
It should be a problem. 

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Like why is he able to remain? 
What does he know that they 

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don't? 
What is he doing right And well 

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they don't maybe don't fully 
grasp. 

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Maybe they don't want to know. 
Maybe they haven't admitted it 

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to themselves. 
But John's people like John. 

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Well, John's has that 
combination of naivete and 

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strong sense of justice built 
into him from Ned, and it's 

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something you see in lot in Aria
in particular, a lot of the 

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Starks, really. 
But I think those two really 

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stand out the most of just being
really stubborn in their ways 

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about what's good and isn't. 
And Ned Stark was kind of like 

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that too, Nina says as well. 
Anyone who's watched a horror 

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movie knows that that creepy 
isolated cabin in the woods 

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never good things like this is 
This is a horror trope. 

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Now he plays with it Jor, as he 
always does, but this part of it

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is pretty straightforward. 
Like just the abandoned. 

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Everything else is abandoned, 
but one creepy dude is there. 

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Well, I just watched. 
Here I would say, rather than 

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play with it, he's taking 
advantage of it. 

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Yeah, he's leaning into it, 
yeah. 

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Playing off what people are 
going to assume. 

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Like you're right to assume that
this is horrific. 

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Here's how a veteran Ranger, now
Thorn Smallwood is this next 

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quote here. 
He is not a newbie. 

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He is no Jon Snow. 
He's been in the Watch for a 

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long time. 
One small Woods 4, the Craster 

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was a friend to the Watch, 
despite his unsavory reputation.

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Man's half mad, I won't deny it,
he told the Old bear. 

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But you'd be the same if you'd 
spent your life in this crisp 

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wood. 
Even so, he's never turned a 

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Ranger away from his fire, nor 
did he love man's Raider. 

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Give us good counsel. 
So long as he gives us a hot 

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meal and a chance to dry our 
clothes, I'll be happy 

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everyone's talking about how dry
it is. 

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That's the It's rain. 
Yeah. 

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I mean, I believe it. 
It's freezing, probably. 

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That's got to be awful. 
What to point out it it is, you 

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know, in full context. 
Yeah. 

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So long as he gives us a hot 
meal and a chance to dry our 

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clothes, I'll be happy. 
So as long as he does that, 

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anything else is fine. 
Sacrificing babies, incest. 

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Like, you know, maybe it hasn't 
been tested, but I wonder how 

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far it would be tested. 
Where it was Thorn, of what he 

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was doing? 
Well, it. 

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Yeah, that's a good point. 
Yeah, some of. 

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Yeah, I don't know. 
This some of this troubles me. 

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It'll be a theme throughout, I 
think, but in the same way that 

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some of the King's Guard. 
Have this sort of respect and 

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reputation for their honor, but 
they stand by and watch kings do

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awful things. 
Like how much honor do they 

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really have? 
Is sometimes the Knights watch 

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is a little questionable. 
My question here is, do we see 

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where what what Thorin does in 
the drama at Crashers He's 

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killed before that. 
Before that, OK, I was curious. 

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Killed at the fist of the first 
man. 

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All right. 
Yeah. 

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He replaces Benjin, his first 
Ranger, and goes on one ranging.

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I guess maybe you'd go on. 
One before so we don't see him 

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face that dilemma. 
No, he he's the one that he's 

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killed by the undead bear. 
He like, almost takes his head 

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off and then it takes his head 
off. 

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It's because taking its head off
doesn't accomplish all that 

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much. 
But it does in Thorin's case. 

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Yeah, so that's actually 
probably where they got the idea

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to do the bear scene and the TV 
show, even though it's very 

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different, but it does end up 
killing someone. 

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It does end up killing Thorros 
in the show Dies, like of his 

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wounds because of that bear 
attack. 

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Yeah, he dies day or two later. 
Yeah, Thorros. 

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Thorin, Hey, they kept it closer
than I realized, right? 

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Yeah, because Thorin's not even 
in the show. 

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Anyway, the show is not going to
come up much today, but we will 

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mention it one or two other 
times because imagery and I 

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wanted to talk about the actor 
briefly. 

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Anyway, Nina says these words 
take on an extra sinister edge 

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when you read them second time 
around. 

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Like, when you hear it the first
time, you don't yet know, Oh my 

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God, like, oh, as long as he 
just gives us, like, you don't 

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realize how far that, like Sean 
said, you don't realize how far 

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that's being pushed. 
Like, oh wow, so he's maybe he's

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kind of a dirty guy. 
Maybe he's done a few bad 

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things. 
No, this guy's sacrificing his 

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sons to the others. 
This this isn't like basic 

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criminal behavior. 
This is something far worse. 

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And yeah, because he gives them 
shelter, that's that makes it 

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okay, not okay. 
But it means they have little 

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choice because, yes, shelter in 
this case, it's not like 

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convenience. 
It's not like, oh, we won't get 

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wet at night. 
It's the that's pointed out 

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multiple times that it's the 
difference between life and 

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death like that. 
If they'd been out in the 

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wilderness, they would have 
died. 

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If they hadn't gotten inside 
crash, they would have died. 

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The bar is pretty high for what 
you'll tolerate when death is 

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the alternative. 
I got to say, even if it's 

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extremely immoral, like some 
people would be like, I'd rather

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die than tolerate this, but when
you're actually put to the test,

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you might not. 
And on some level I see that. 

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But also, maybe you'd rather 
prepare better. 

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Yeah, sure. 
Bring one more horse with extra 

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firewood something You guys, you
have other options. 

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Like they didn't like. 
He's like, oh, Crasher has a 

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fire. 
Like you could have built your 

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own fire. 
I mean, you know, like you said.

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I mean, yeah, like there are 
because like you said, there's 

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abandoned villages. 
All those other spots had empty 

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bubbles that could have stayed 
there, but. 

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That watch could have built 
their own outpost out there. 

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They travel out there often 
enough to need to stay at 

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Crashers over and over again. 
Build her own little Hut or 

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whatever. 
Maybe it went last. 

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Maybe Wildlands would take it, 
you know? 

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I mean, I could see all kinds of
angles, but I got to run through

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all those angles before I live 
with this insectuous guy, right?

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I got to be sure about this, not
just one guy, 1 Ranger told me. 

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It's cool, Okay. 
And that's what John does. 

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And he, I mean he refuses to 
sleep under caster's roof and 

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will freeze us to eat his food 
like John. 

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At least. 
Maybe if John was more tested. 

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Like if it was freezing, 
literally freezing outside, he 

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might not have, you know, I 
don't know. 

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I don't know what John would. 
We just don't know what John 

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would have done. 
But it it is hard to know what 

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you do. 
He might have accepted it that 

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night, so we didn't freeze and 
starve to death, and because it 

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comes back later. 
Exactly to exact justice, to 

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free the women or whatever, you 
know? 

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But clearly none of these other 
Rangers did. 

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Not including Benjamin, I 
suppose, and this other line 

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that Thorin Smallwood says. 
He says he'll give us good 

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counseling. 
Really interesting, like he does

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tell them where Mans is, so that
is partly true. 

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So that is a definitely 
something that the Nights Watch 

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got out of him. 
That was very valuable and 

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useful and accurate. 
Like he didn't lie about that, 

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but he did lie about other 
things as we'll see. 

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So it's a mixed bag in terms of 
what he's saying. 

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So I don't think there's some 
sort of reverse card being 

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played here. 
People seem to know what Craster

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is, even though the readers are 
introduced with slowly and kind 

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of their John's perspective. 
He doesn't know until he learns,

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but then he rhymes out. 
But yeah, these people have 

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known this. 
Even the old bear knew this 

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already. 
Here's another quote about him 

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from another Nights Watch 
source. 

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Darwin said Craster was a 
Kinslayer, liar, rapper and 

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Craven, and hinted that he 
trafficked with slavers and 

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demons and worse, the old 
Forester would add. 

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Slacking his wooden teeth. 
There's a cold smell to that 

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one. 
There is, yeah. 

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Dywin has the 5th cement, Fifth 
sense. 

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He can smell cry. 
I mean, no, he can smell the 

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others or death or whatever it 
is he's smelling. 

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It's not the only time it comes 
up. 

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And every time it seems to be 
accurate. 

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So something's up with Dywin and
his fifth sense there. 

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He can smell things that other 
people can't, but he's never 

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attributed to a person before. 
I don't think Dywin's ever 

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attributed the cold smell to a 
human. 

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It's always been like the others
are near or the whites are near.

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And I'm pretty sure he's always 
been right. 

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We've never done a full deep 
dive on dive when I've always 

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kind of meant to. 
This maybe inspires it even 

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more. 
But yeah, so that's like, yeah, 

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the stink of the others is on 
him. 

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Not that he is 1. 
Not that he's got their 

401
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bloodlines isn't crazy like 
that. 

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Although I suppose that can't be
dismissed. 

403
00:18:53,940 --> 00:18:55,580
There's no evidence for it 
either. 

404
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Dywins up right on the money 
here. 

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00:18:57,940 --> 00:18:58,580
Nina says. 
Yeah. 

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Craster. 
Klint. 

407
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Kinslayer. 
Yes. 

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Liar. 
Yes. 

409
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Rapper. 
Yes. 

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Craven maybe. 
That one I'm not as sure about, 

411
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but I think you can make the 
case traffic with slavers and 

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demons probably. 
Well, definitely the demons and 

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the demons might be slavers. 
So pretty much all those things 

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are true. 
It sounds like an exaggeration 

415
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though. 
When you put all those things 

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together with the and the 
character even met. 

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It's like especially in this 
kind of story where George does 

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that sort of thing where he, you
know, people spread rumors, the 

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rumors go through the telephone 
game and get exaggerated and a 

420
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lot of times like okay, it's not
quite as intense as all that 

421
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this time. 
Yeah, yeah, that pretty much is.

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What are some things that he's 
lied about? 

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Well, let's let's go through 
some of the examples. 

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Specifically, he's a kid Slayer 
because he's letting his own 

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babies out to die. 
That's pretty straightforward. 

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He's a liar because he said he's
not seeing the others yet. 

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Later we'll go through evidence 
that proves he has. 

428
00:19:48,860 --> 00:19:50,540
Well, at least his his wives 
have. 

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00:19:50,540 --> 00:19:54,500
Gilly has knew how to describe 
them and that's before she saw 

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them on page with Sam. 
And the other wives had 

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indicated they've seen him as 
well. 

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He's some of them, not all 
nineteen of them. 

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00:20:00,260 --> 00:20:02,620
We didn't talk to all of them, 
or the Nights Watch didn't talk 

434
00:20:02,620 --> 00:20:05,280
to all of them. 
He probably lied about some 

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00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:06,360
other things we'll get to as 
well. 

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And he is a rapper, no doubt. 
I mean his. 

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He rapes his wives, he's forced 
them, He marries them way young,

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00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:17,040
way young calls it a marriage. 
Nina does make the case. 

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He's a craving. 
He would rather sacrifice to the

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others and save his own skin 
than risk resisting them. 

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Like fighting for the Knights 
watching like this. 

442
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Yeah, still, like I said, 
there's a case to be made that 

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he's the Craven. 
He. 

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I mean, he's not like a he's not
a coward necessarily, but a 

445
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Craven like he does like stand 
up to people. 

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He's, you know, go outs and 
hunts. 

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He takes risks on his to his 
person. 

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So there's a sense of that. 
But yes, he's. 

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I think it's fair to say that 
someone, I think it's fair to 

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say that someone who is 
generally brave might find 

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something that is scary enough 
to be, you know, like a he 

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00:20:46,470 --> 00:20:48,710
might. 
Again, I think it's debated 

453
00:20:48,710 --> 00:20:49,830
whether or not he's a Craven. 
Yeah. 

454
00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:52,950
So I'd say in the case of like 
morality and ethics, I'd say 

455
00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:55,470
he's a Craven. 
But in terms of like facing 

456
00:20:56,030 --> 00:20:59,190
physical danger, probably not. 
If you want to divide it that 

457
00:20:59,190 --> 00:21:02,350
way, your mileage may vary. 
And he does traffic with slavers

458
00:21:02,390 --> 00:21:04,830
and demons, as we just said. 
Yeah, Nina makes pretty much the

459
00:21:04,830 --> 00:21:07,030
same case as we do here. 
It's like, yeah, it's all very 

460
00:21:07,030 --> 00:21:08,270
straightforward. 
Y'all it's not. 

461
00:21:08,910 --> 00:21:10,430
It's not. 
This isn't rocket science here. 

462
00:21:10,950 --> 00:21:13,910
Joe's of craft since the Super 
Chad says craster Brendan Rivers

463
00:21:13,910 --> 00:21:16,470
connection possibly, probably 
coming. 

464
00:21:16,550 --> 00:21:18,630
We have it in here. 
In fact, it's in this next 

465
00:21:18,630 --> 00:21:20,750
section, because this next 
section is called birth. 

466
00:21:20,950 --> 00:21:24,390
We're talking about Craster's 
background, which it comes up a 

467
00:21:24,430 --> 00:21:28,470
bit here, let's let's go quote. 
Craster's more your kind than 

468
00:21:28,510 --> 00:21:30,870
ours. 
His father was a crow who stole 

469
00:21:30,870 --> 00:21:34,070
a woman out of White Tree 
Village, but after he had her, 

470
00:21:34,270 --> 00:21:38,230
he flew back to his wall. 
She went to Castle Black once to

471
00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:42,270
show the crow his son, but the 
brothers blew their horns and 

472
00:21:42,270 --> 00:21:45,670
run her off. 
Craster's blood is black, and he

473
00:21:45,670 --> 00:21:49,230
bears a heavy curse. 
That last line particular is 

474
00:21:49,230 --> 00:21:51,790
interesting, and that's a grit 
speaking, in case it wasn't 

475
00:21:51,790 --> 00:21:54,380
clear. 
All that, So yeah, all the she 

476
00:21:54,380 --> 00:21:57,780
went to the Castle Black. 
Yeah, White Tree is pretty close

477
00:21:57,780 --> 00:22:00,940
to the wall they they passed 
through it on their way to 

478
00:22:00,940 --> 00:22:03,660
Crafters Keep. 
So we see the village where he's

479
00:22:03,660 --> 00:22:06,500
from, where his mother was born 
or where she lived anyway. 

480
00:22:06,980 --> 00:22:09,180
And that makes the connection 
simple enough for sheer 

481
00:22:09,180 --> 00:22:11,540
proximity. 
We also know the various members

482
00:22:11,540 --> 00:22:13,980
of the Knights watch not take 
the prescription against sex 

483
00:22:13,980 --> 00:22:15,860
very seriously. 
It's it's one of the laws that 

484
00:22:15,860 --> 00:22:18,500
they break routinely. 
Not all of them, of course, but 

485
00:22:18,740 --> 00:22:20,540
a lot of them. 
Maybe even the majority. 

486
00:22:20,660 --> 00:22:22,100
Perhaps. 
Probably the majority, I don't 

487
00:22:22,100 --> 00:22:23,840
know. 
And there's a continued sex 

488
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,720
trade at Moles Town and of 
course you got stuff like this 

489
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:31,200
going on as well with with 
Rangers hooking up with free 

490
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:35,200
folk, willingly or otherwise. 
Anyone could have fathered, 

491
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,880
crashed or, Nina said. 
It's not necessarily meant to be

492
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,840
important who it is. 
I think that's kind of, it's 

493
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,480
meant to be kind of a faceless 
anybody. 

494
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,760
I think that maybe it it makes 
the story a little better, makes

495
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:45,720
it fit a little better. 
But we are. 

496
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,560
But we are going to entertain 
these other possibilities 

497
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:51,270
because we don't know his blood 
is black is what she says 

498
00:22:51,630 --> 00:22:54,470
regret. 
That's because she's born of the

499
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:57,270
nights watch black blood. 
But also the hairy curse part. 

500
00:22:58,350 --> 00:23:00,670
That's basically the same things
we were just saying Ken. 

501
00:23:00,670 --> 00:23:03,230
Slang incest Sacre like yeah, 
that's. 

502
00:23:03,470 --> 00:23:06,910
I think that's what she means. 
I don't know exactly. 

503
00:23:06,910 --> 00:23:09,830
She didn't elaborate exactly, 
but I think that's it. 

504
00:23:10,150 --> 00:23:12,670
So yeah, there is a blood 
Ravenous crafters theory out 

505
00:23:12,670 --> 00:23:13,990
there. 
It's been there for a long time.

506
00:23:14,190 --> 00:23:16,070
There's really nothing to back 
it up other than it being 

507
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:18,450
technically possible. 
In fact, think there's counter 

508
00:23:18,450 --> 00:23:22,450
evidence, like if it was someone
famous like him that would be 

509
00:23:22,450 --> 00:23:24,730
hard to keep under wraps. 
It would have been known I 

510
00:23:24,730 --> 00:23:27,770
think. 
So I lean pretty heavily towards

511
00:23:27,770 --> 00:23:31,850
a no on blood Raven, but that 
doesn't mean there isn't reason 

512
00:23:31,850 --> 00:23:34,570
to bring him up. 
Another subject here because, 

513
00:23:34,570 --> 00:23:35,730
well, we'll get to it in a 
minute. 

514
00:23:36,050 --> 00:23:40,530
I want to say I I lean towards 
no also, but I do think there is

515
00:23:40,610 --> 00:23:43,210
an argument. 
I I think there is the fact that

516
00:23:43,210 --> 00:23:45,010
there is so much mystery 
surrounding him. 

517
00:23:45,170 --> 00:23:48,520
Like we we started saying like. 
When did he start sacrificing 

518
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,280
babies? 
How does he know he needs to do 

519
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:51,280
it? 
Things like this. 

520
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:56,120
Blood Raven is mysterious and in
the know enough that he might 

521
00:23:56,120 --> 00:23:59,840
been part of setting that up. 
We don't have another good angle

522
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,560
for how that got set up. 
Blood Raven is a good angle. 

523
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,120
It doesn't mean that's what it 
was and there is evidence 

524
00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:07,920
against it still, but I see 
where the theories you're right 

525
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,680
that is. 
People would come up with that. 

526
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,240
The very few people that have 
information about this blood 

527
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,920
Raven is one of them, so it 
could make sense that someone 

528
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,960
connected to him might have the 
different but you on it but this

529
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,640
with the same information that 
that built their case or 

530
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,200
whatever. 
I think we lean against it and 

531
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,560
have got reason to lean against 
it now. 

532
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,960
But if it turned out to be the 
case, we won't be like what? 

533
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,040
I can't believe it. 
There was nothing to set this 

534
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,400
up. 
There was something to set it 

535
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:31,480
up, something to set it up, 
yeah. 

536
00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:36,920
So here is a nice lengthy quote 
about White Tree and the 

537
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,120
description of it. 
And I think it goes a long way 

538
00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:43,880
towards showing like think about
being born in this place and 

539
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,580
then growing up in this 
environment and what that might 

540
00:24:46,580 --> 00:24:50,300
do to your psyche. 
White Tree The village was named

541
00:24:50,300 --> 00:24:53,940
on Sam's old maps. 
John did not think it much of A 

542
00:24:53,940 --> 00:24:58,980
village 4 tumble down one room. 
Houses of unmortared stone 

543
00:24:58,980 --> 00:25:01,740
surrounded an empty sheep, bold 
and a well. 

544
00:25:02,380 --> 00:25:05,980
The houses were roofed with sod,
the windows shuttered with 

545
00:25:06,140 --> 00:25:10,740
ragged pieces of pie, and above 
them loomed the pale limbs and 

546
00:25:10,740 --> 00:25:14,710
dark red leaves. 
Of a monstrous great wherewood. 

547
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:18,030
It was the biggest tree Jon Snow
had ever seen. 

548
00:25:18,270 --> 00:25:22,750
The trunk near 8 feet wide, the 
branches spreading so far that 

549
00:25:22,750 --> 00:25:25,470
the entire village was shaded 
beneath their canopy. 

550
00:25:25,990 --> 00:25:30,070
The size did not disturb him so 
much as the face. 

551
00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:34,710
The mouth especially. 
No simple carved slash, but a 

552
00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:37,830
jagged hollow large enough to 
swallow a sheep. 

553
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:40,550
Those are not sheep bones 
though. 

554
00:25:40,910 --> 00:25:43,630
Nor is that a sheep's skull in 
the ashes. 

555
00:25:45,390 --> 00:25:48,630
An old tree. 
Mormont sat, his horse frowning.

556
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:51,310
Old. 
His Raven agreed from his 

557
00:25:51,310 --> 00:25:52,670
shoulder. 
Old, old. 

558
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:54,790
Old. 
And powerful. 

559
00:25:54,990 --> 00:25:58,590
John could feel the power. 
Could feel the power. 

560
00:25:58,590 --> 00:26:01,110
That's Dang. 
Makes me laugh a little bit. 

561
00:26:01,190 --> 00:26:03,390
Feel the power, feel the power. 
That tree is like. 

562
00:26:03,390 --> 00:26:06,230
Feel my power but like. 
You got the tuck. 

563
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:12,690
If Craster could feel the power 
or Craster's mother like he grew

564
00:26:12,690 --> 00:26:14,210
up there. 
Like John just passes through 

565
00:26:14,210 --> 00:26:15,890
and feels the power and is 
creeped out by that. 

566
00:26:16,050 --> 00:26:19,090
What does it do to you to be 
born there growing up under that

567
00:26:19,090 --> 00:26:21,770
tree? 
It's like the only feature 

568
00:26:22,290 --> 00:26:25,850
that's like really notable about
the place that you would how 

569
00:26:25,850 --> 00:26:28,610
would you not just see it all 
the time and. 

570
00:26:30,010 --> 00:26:32,290
Instead of watching a horror 
movie, you just go sit in front 

571
00:26:32,290 --> 00:26:35,820
of the tree. 
Yeah, I mean geez, if you. 

572
00:26:35,820 --> 00:26:39,220
I mean it's notable that a man 
who feels or maybe feels that he

573
00:26:39,220 --> 00:26:41,900
has to or chooses to make 
sacrifices to the cold God was 

574
00:26:41,900 --> 00:26:44,980
born in a place, but the hugest 
wear what John has ever seen, 

575
00:26:45,860 --> 00:26:47,380
man. 
I think that's relevant. 

576
00:26:47,380 --> 00:26:50,340
I don't know exactly how, but I 
feel like it just that the 

577
00:26:50,340 --> 00:26:53,420
imprint that would leave on a 
child would have, I don't know. 

578
00:26:53,460 --> 00:26:55,180
It seems like that would have an
impact. 

579
00:26:55,180 --> 00:26:57,220
Right? 
Parents out there you agree 

580
00:26:57,220 --> 00:26:59,540
right. 
Mormont thinks the skulls were 

581
00:26:59,540 --> 00:27:01,180
burned dead. 
Not necessarily something more 

582
00:27:01,180 --> 00:27:04,740
nefarious like not a burn 
sacrifice because for one thing 

583
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:07,470
it may remind us of human 
sacrifice, which we know is done

584
00:27:07,470 --> 00:27:09,870
in the past but and probably 
still is in some places in the 

585
00:27:09,870 --> 00:27:12,270
north and elsewhere. 
But if we're sticking to the 

586
00:27:12,270 --> 00:27:15,430
North, burning isn't how they do
sacrifices. 

587
00:27:15,430 --> 00:27:18,670
I mean Melisandre does, but 
that's not how Northerners do 

588
00:27:19,030 --> 00:27:21,710
sacrifices. 
They do like the headings and 

589
00:27:21,870 --> 00:27:25,510
blood spilling on the wherewood 
and and trails hanging in the in

590
00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:27,670
the limbs and all that. 
It's not like this. 

591
00:27:28,590 --> 00:27:30,710
So GR is probably right that 
they're just burning their dead 

592
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:33,070
and and it's important to 
remember that they know why to 

593
00:27:33,070 --> 00:27:36,640
burn their dead because well and
they walk and come after you. 

594
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,600
If you don't do that. 
Yeah it's probably not human 

595
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,400
sacrifice. 
Try that in a small village. 

596
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,400
So this contextualizes Craster 
and someone who grew up kind of 

597
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,680
normalizing all the stuff. 
Either maybe it is sacrifice, if

598
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,760
it seems like sacrifice or maybe
you just seems normal his hair 

599
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,600
starting to go white so he's 
probably in his 60s since it's 

600
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,520
starting to go white. 
That's usually how George writes

601
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,680
that transition, and it's 
pretty, pretty accurate. 

602
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,160
I guess you go from Gray. 
Be clear. 

603
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,160
Not starting to go Gray because 
that happened before he was 60s.

604
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:06,200
Starting to go white? 
Yeah. 

605
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,360
The Gray is going white, yes. 
So that puts his birther in the 

606
00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:12,920
early two 40s or so, which is 
around the same age as Tywin or 

607
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,720
Kevin or the Mad King. 
Though I again doubt Blood Raven

608
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:21,400
was his father. 
The Ranger who was his father 

609
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,480
would have served under Blood 
Raven because Blood Raven was 

610
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,080
Lord Commander at 239. 
So very likely, unless Fraser's 

611
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,120
a few years older then it would 
have been whoever the Lord 

612
00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:31,960
Commander was right before blood
rape. 

613
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,480
It may have been one of the 
Ravens teeth that would have 

614
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,120
been interesting, but there were
a lot of the Ravens teeth at 

615
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,640
Castle Black. 
There would have been 50, maybe 

616
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,600
60 maybe even more of them. 
So just on, you know more odds 

617
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,400
than most. 
And the Blood Ravens last 

618
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,240
ranging was in 252. 
So Craster was probably still a 

619
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,000
young man living in White Tree I
he didn't have his keep yet 

620
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,120
probably. 
So whatever the value of 

621
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:58,070
Craster's Keep as a shelter to 
the Rangers wasn't there when 

622
00:28:58,070 --> 00:29:00,950
Blood Raven was ranging. 
Maybe that's why he got lost on 

623
00:29:00,950 --> 00:29:02,710
that loud ranging. 
He didn't have Craster's Keep to

624
00:29:02,710 --> 00:29:06,110
come back to for shelter, but I 
wonder if there was. 

625
00:29:06,150 --> 00:29:09,470
Some other established it on his
last reign. 

626
00:29:09,470 --> 00:29:13,230
I mean, and then maybe, but you 
know, then maybe Craster came 

627
00:29:13,230 --> 00:29:14,830
and found it and took it over. 
He gave it to him. 

628
00:29:14,830 --> 00:29:16,070
He was like, hey son, you can 
have this now. 

629
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:17,830
I don't. 
He founded it with him. 

630
00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:19,550
He's like, hey, we need to do 
this thing. 

631
00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:23,590
Trust me. 
Robert's Rebellion. 

632
00:29:23,590 --> 00:29:26,390
Yeah, so I that would say yes, 
that Craster heard about 

633
00:29:26,390 --> 00:29:28,750
Robert's Rebellion. 
But you got to think even some 

634
00:29:28,750 --> 00:29:32,350
of the big events in the Seven 
Kingdoms just wouldn't have made

635
00:29:32,350 --> 00:29:35,590
the news north of the Wall 
unless it was really dramatic. 

636
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:37,870
Like Summerhall maybe, maybe 
not. 

637
00:29:37,870 --> 00:29:39,870
You know like a bunch of 
Targaryens dying in fire might 

638
00:29:39,870 --> 00:29:42,550
that might spread all over 
people might be like even though

639
00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:43,990
beyond the Wall they might hear 
that one. 

640
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:46,870
The war of 9 Penny Kings maybe. 
But I think it's got to be 

641
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:50,590
pretty big news to go up beyond 
the Wall, especially to a 

642
00:29:50,590 --> 00:29:55,980
remote, super ultra rural area, 
both rural and like tainted. 

643
00:29:55,980 --> 00:29:58,900
Like no one wants to go there. 
It's both like isolated because 

644
00:29:58,900 --> 00:30:01,500
the land isn't good, but also no
one wants to live there because 

645
00:30:01,500 --> 00:30:02,780
of that. 
But also, no one wants to live 

646
00:30:02,780 --> 00:30:07,260
there because you're like, near 
him and all a lot of reasons. 

647
00:30:07,940 --> 00:30:10,740
Where was the Ninepenny kings? 
I think of that as being like in

648
00:30:10,740 --> 00:30:13,300
the South End. 
Oh yeah, Alias was slain on the 

649
00:30:13,300 --> 00:30:15,540
step stones, like that's where 
their their invasion was. 

650
00:30:15,540 --> 00:30:17,780
Like a they they use that as 
like a jumping off point. 

651
00:30:17,780 --> 00:30:20,540
They didn't get very far. 
That makes me feel like it's 

652
00:30:20,660 --> 00:30:22,940
less likely, right? 
Something that happens like 

653
00:30:23,380 --> 00:30:26,500
maybe in the Veil or in 
Winterfell, that that'll make 

654
00:30:26,500 --> 00:30:28,180
its way. 
Well, the North did send its 

655
00:30:28,180 --> 00:30:31,220
troops to the 9:00 to fight, so 
they would have maybe known for 

656
00:30:31,220 --> 00:30:33,660
that reason, like a lot of 
soldiers leaving the North would

657
00:30:33,660 --> 00:30:35,820
have. 
Oh, maybe, maybe a good time for

658
00:30:35,820 --> 00:30:38,580
raiding because of a lot of 
fighting men have left the 

659
00:30:38,580 --> 00:30:40,260
North, you know? 
So that's the kind of thing I 

660
00:30:40,260 --> 00:30:41,660
think they might keep an eye on 
for that. 

661
00:30:41,660 --> 00:30:44,380
But for that reason, because it 
matters to them, it's an 

662
00:30:44,380 --> 00:30:48,190
opening. 
It's a very small group, those 

663
00:30:48,190 --> 00:30:51,390
born north of the wall to a free
folk mother and Ranger father. 

664
00:30:51,390 --> 00:30:53,830
Of course it has to be that 
pairing because there's no 

665
00:30:53,870 --> 00:30:56,750
female Rangers, although it's 
not completely unique, right? 

666
00:30:56,750 --> 00:31:01,070
There's a few other examples. 
Nance Rader himself is born of a

667
00:31:01,070 --> 00:31:05,430
Ranger and a free folk woman. 
Part of maybe why Crafter 

668
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:07,950
doesn't like him because they 
have so much in common, but 

669
00:31:07,950 --> 00:31:09,230
Nance is so much more 
accomplished. 

670
00:31:10,190 --> 00:31:12,230
People like him. 
That's one. 

671
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:15,370
The other is the son of Bail, 
the Bard who took over. 

672
00:31:15,370 --> 00:31:17,810
So the the all the the Starks 
who descend from this. 

673
00:31:18,330 --> 00:31:20,650
But that's that's like it. 
I don't know any others. 

674
00:31:20,890 --> 00:31:21,970
Just the two. 
Yeah, just those two. 

675
00:31:21,970 --> 00:31:22,770
And Crafter. 
So three. 

676
00:31:22,770 --> 00:31:25,370
Yeah. 
But we've got to there's got to 

677
00:31:25,370 --> 00:31:27,890
be others, like there's got to 
be plenty of other Rangers who 

678
00:31:27,890 --> 00:31:29,930
have impregnated plenty of other
free poke women. 

679
00:31:29,930 --> 00:31:31,970
We just don't know their names. 
Any of them. 

680
00:31:32,170 --> 00:31:33,850
The child, the mother or the 
father. 

681
00:31:33,850 --> 00:31:35,130
Right. 
But it's got to be plenty. 

682
00:31:36,050 --> 00:31:38,650
But there might be some other 
reason Mance is resented by 

683
00:31:38,650 --> 00:31:42,890
Crafter besides just regular 
jealousy or something like that.

684
00:31:42,970 --> 00:31:46,090
But Crasher doesn't really like 
many people, so we can't read 

685
00:31:46,090 --> 00:31:47,730
too much into this. 
Like a guy who doesn't like 

686
00:31:47,730 --> 00:31:51,250
anyone, like one particular 
person that doesn't really say 

687
00:31:51,250 --> 00:31:53,890
much. 
Nina guessed his intent of 

688
00:31:53,890 --> 00:31:56,570
jealousy quite possible. 
Man's never learned who his 

689
00:31:56,570 --> 00:32:00,130
father was either, but he was 
raised at Castle Black, so that 

690
00:32:00,130 --> 00:32:02,770
might be a reason for jealousy. 
Mans was actually raised to be a

691
00:32:02,770 --> 00:32:06,370
Ranger, whereas when Crasher's 
mother brought him there, it 

692
00:32:06,370 --> 00:32:08,450
sounds like they didn't even 
give her a chance. 

693
00:32:08,650 --> 00:32:11,440
Because the way Grit says they 
blew their horns and drove her 

694
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:12,640
up. 
Like they didn't even, like open

695
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,840
the gate or something. 
Like maybe they saw her coming 

696
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,080
and were like wildling one of 
them like with a baby like, ah, 

697
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,680
get her, you know, I don't know,
Grit wasn't there. 

698
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,880
So we don't know that's exactly 
what happened. 

699
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,000
But I could see that being a a 
reason for bitterness. 

700
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,600
They raised Mans. 
They didn't raise me from 

701
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,600
Crasher's POVI think there's 
also perhaps a sense in which 

702
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,560
Crafter thinks Mans is being 
ridiculous with respect to the 

703
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:36,880
others. 
No. 

704
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,960
She speaks of Mans as a brave, 
sweet, stubborn man for thinking

705
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,640
they can fight the others. 
Like the White Walkers were no 

706
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:44,920
more than Rangers. 
That's a good point. 

707
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:49,680
OSHA and her crew fled because 
they were like, this is dumb, 

708
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,480
like we're not going to uniting 
all the free folk. 

709
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,360
A great, amazing thing you can 
do, but to fight the others that

710
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:56,920
way? 
Not going to happen. 

711
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,000
It's not going to work. 
They can't be beaten by the 

712
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,720
weapons the wildlings have, just
it's just that simple. 

713
00:33:03,660 --> 00:33:05,740
So Craster might have, might 
realize that he's like, yeah, 

714
00:33:05,740 --> 00:33:08,620
this is just a big dumb plan 
that's just not going to work 

715
00:33:08,620 --> 00:33:09,820
and you're going to get a lot of
people killed. 

716
00:33:09,940 --> 00:33:11,940
And I don't know about that he 
has a better plan, but, well, he

717
00:33:11,980 --> 00:33:13,100
he does. 
He's like everybody should 

718
00:33:13,100 --> 00:33:14,380
sacrifice to them and then 
we'll. 

719
00:33:14,540 --> 00:33:16,700
Be fine. 
He has another plan. 

720
00:33:16,700 --> 00:33:18,420
Maybe not a better plan. 
He has a plan he thinks is 

721
00:33:18,420 --> 00:33:21,140
better, but yeah, surely he 
should realize how that won't 

722
00:33:21,140 --> 00:33:23,700
work for everyone. 
They're not willing to sacrifice

723
00:33:23,700 --> 00:33:25,980
their children. 
Also. 

724
00:33:26,510 --> 00:33:29,030
The man must have shifted gears 
at some point, right? 

725
00:33:29,030 --> 00:33:31,350
It doesn't seem like he's on a 
mission to fight the others. 

726
00:33:31,510 --> 00:33:33,710
No, you're right. 
He that's part of why he came to

727
00:33:33,710 --> 00:33:35,310
the Wall. 
He's like we need to we want 

728
00:33:35,310 --> 00:33:37,710
your. 
He wanted to make a deal with 

729
00:33:37,710 --> 00:33:39,590
the Seven Kingdoms through 
strength. 

730
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:42,230
Say, look, we're going to crush 
you unless you let us in and 

731
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:43,550
help. 
And we're all fight the other we

732
00:33:43,550 --> 00:33:44,630
want. 
We want the protection of the 

733
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:46,070
Wall. 
But if you don't give it to us, 

734
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:47,990
we're going to inflict damage on
you that was kind of like. 

735
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:49,950
A He's got a care and a stick or
whatever. 

736
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:52,750
Yes, you're right. 
That's the thing to remind 

737
00:33:52,750 --> 00:33:55,150
ourselves when discussing the 
events of Crashers Keep the 

738
00:33:55,150 --> 00:33:58,370
First Time anyway. 
There's a lot more reason for 

739
00:33:58,370 --> 00:34:02,890
superstition and for end times 
or new era is beginning, because

740
00:34:02,890 --> 00:34:05,330
this is all happening under the 
shadow of the Red Comet. 

741
00:34:05,410 --> 00:34:07,690
Pretty easy to forget that the 
Red Comet's up there during all 

742
00:34:07,690 --> 00:34:10,170
this, right? 
During this scene at Craster's, 

743
00:34:10,409 --> 00:34:12,330
during the next few chapters 
before these. 

744
00:34:12,330 --> 00:34:14,449
It's all like that's the early 
part of The Clash of Kings. 

745
00:34:14,449 --> 00:34:15,969
Everything is happening under 
the Red Comet. 

746
00:34:15,969 --> 00:34:19,850
Everyone's constantly noticing 
it, making interpretations, some

747
00:34:19,850 --> 00:34:21,489
of them interesting, some of 
them silly. 

748
00:34:22,770 --> 00:34:25,770
Craster recognizes John's look. 
He's like, you look like a 

749
00:34:25,770 --> 00:34:28,409
Stark. 
I'm not sure what other Stark he

750
00:34:28,409 --> 00:34:30,409
would have seen besides Benjin. 
There's definitely some 

751
00:34:30,409 --> 00:34:32,170
possibilities because he's been 
there a while. 

752
00:34:32,250 --> 00:34:35,290
Benjin probably wasn't the only 
Stark on the in the Nights 

753
00:34:35,290 --> 00:34:36,929
Watch. 
There may have been, I mean, at 

754
00:34:37,250 --> 00:34:40,969
that time he was, But go back 30
years and maybe there was some 

755
00:34:40,969 --> 00:34:42,449
other Stark, I don't. 
I don't know. 

756
00:34:43,090 --> 00:34:44,690
I had a couple of thoughts on 
that too. 

757
00:34:45,449 --> 00:34:48,850
I wonder if Starks have a look 
in general. 

758
00:34:49,090 --> 00:34:50,810
We think they do. 
We've gone on this before. 

759
00:34:50,810 --> 00:34:51,810
We've talked about it before, I 
think. 

760
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,800
And it would add to the idea of 
the others mistaking Raymour 

761
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:01,840
Ross as a Stark, right that 
maybe they thought he was Jon 

762
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,480
Snow or some other Stark and 
like, oh, he's he because he 

763
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,320
looked like him. 
But that's not the right guy. 

764
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,400
But if that's the case, they 
never came for John any other 

765
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:10,520
time. 
He was beyond the wall for 

766
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,520
months and months and months and
months and months and months, 

767
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:13,600
and not once did they come for 
him. 

768
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,240
Like all that time he was with 
the free folk with igrit and. 

769
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:18,040
Well, I guess it. 
I don't. 

770
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,000
I shouldn't necessarily assume 
they were coming for him. 

771
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,240
They just encountered him. 
Thought it might be him. 

772
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:23,160
Oh. 
Never realized it wasn't. 

773
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:24,720
Doesn't necessarily mean they're
coming for him. 

774
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:26,120
But if they see him, they'll 
recognize him. 

775
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:27,840
That's my thought. 
Yeah, I guess it's possible. 

776
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,000
If the Starks have a look and 
it's been around for a long 

777
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,600
time, then yeah, it's pretty 
much possible that anyone or 

778
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,080
anything could be aware of that.
He says he hasn't seen Denjin in

779
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,960
three years. 
Nina says BS. 

780
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:40,480
You haven't seen him in three 
years. 

781
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,790
That does not make sense. 
Let's go over the reasons why 

782
00:35:43,790 --> 00:35:46,510
Benjin was and is technically 
the 1st Ranger. 

783
00:35:46,510 --> 00:35:49,350
He's still acting, hasn't 
officially been declared dead, 

784
00:35:49,350 --> 00:35:52,670
it just doesn't look good. 
And while we don't know how long

785
00:35:52,670 --> 00:35:56,510
he was First Ranger, he's been a
Ranger for the better part of 

786
00:35:56,510 --> 00:35:59,070
two decades. 
Or had been two decades. 

787
00:35:59,390 --> 00:36:01,350
Crashers Keep isn't right next 
to the wall, but it's pretty 

788
00:36:01,350 --> 00:36:03,670
close. 
Certainly close enough for 

789
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:07,270
Waymart Royce to stop there at 
his ranging, and Waymart refused

790
00:36:07,270 --> 00:36:08,870
to sleep under the the roof 
there. 

791
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:13,040
But you're telling me that the 
1st Ranger of the Watch didn't 

792
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:17,600
check in at Craster's when he 
went to look for Waymar Bull? 

793
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:23,000
Did this guy pass through here? 
In fact, he did because Craster 

794
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,200
says Waymar passed through 
there. 

795
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,800
You're really telling me Benjin 
didn't go check with Craster 

796
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,320
Bull unless he vanished before 
getting to Craster's, which is 

797
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,400
also very, very likely 
considering how close to the 

798
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,520
wall it is, right? 
Like it just doesn't. 

799
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,320
It does not add up. 
I have a counterpoint. 

800
00:36:40,540 --> 00:36:43,100
Benjam might avoid Crash, or 
just like John wants to, but why

801
00:36:43,100 --> 00:36:45,540
would he avoid if he's looking 
for looking for people? 

802
00:36:46,380 --> 00:36:48,180
But that's that's the like. 
In general. 

803
00:36:48,180 --> 00:36:50,860
I can see why in general I 
agree, but in this case it does 

804
00:36:50,860 --> 00:36:51,900
not. 
Specific reason. 

805
00:36:51,900 --> 00:36:54,900
So although and I don't know who
Benjamin might have had with 

806
00:36:54,900 --> 00:36:56,700
them, but he might have sent 
someone else like I don't want 

807
00:36:56,700 --> 00:36:57,980
to see that man, but we need to 
check. 

808
00:36:58,100 --> 00:36:59,340
You go check. 
Tell me what he said. 

809
00:36:59,340 --> 00:37:02,090
Well, I mean. 
Possibility, I guess. 

810
00:37:02,090 --> 00:37:03,690
But he left with a very small 
group. 

811
00:37:03,770 --> 00:37:05,530
I don't that doesn't really make
sense either. 

812
00:37:05,530 --> 00:37:07,250
I mean, if they're, yeah. 
This is not a hill I'm going to 

813
00:37:07,250 --> 00:37:09,090
die on, but I'm saying it is a 
possibility. 

814
00:37:09,090 --> 00:37:10,850
I agree, but it's very thin to 
me. 

815
00:37:10,850 --> 00:37:13,450
It's doesn't move the needle. 
I think that clearly Craster is 

816
00:37:13,450 --> 00:37:15,210
lying, especially because he's 
lied about other things. 

817
00:37:15,570 --> 00:37:17,450
We also have a good reason to 
think Benjin made it as far as 

818
00:37:17,450 --> 00:37:21,170
the fist of the first man. 
He's very likely the one who 

819
00:37:21,170 --> 00:37:23,730
left behind that Nights Watch 
package of arrowheads, 

820
00:37:23,730 --> 00:37:25,930
considering it was a fresh cloak
and not an old cloak. 

821
00:37:26,650 --> 00:37:30,770
And it also doesn't really make 
sense that he went as far as 

822
00:37:30,770 --> 00:37:35,010
that, and everyone talks about 
how Crafters is such a valuable 

823
00:37:35,250 --> 00:37:38,170
place to rest and all that, and 
we don't hear the Benjin shunned

824
00:37:38,170 --> 00:37:40,330
it. 
There's no indication of that. 

825
00:37:40,330 --> 00:37:44,770
Like Benjin specifically, John 
asks to your Mormont if he knew 

826
00:37:44,810 --> 00:37:47,090
and he's like, yes, all the 
Rangers knew. 

827
00:37:47,530 --> 00:37:50,210
So that includes. 
All the Rangers knew, and John 

828
00:37:50,210 --> 00:37:54,450
says even Benjin and Mormont 
says all the Rangers so. 

829
00:37:55,130 --> 00:37:58,380
I don't want to assume it, but. 
We see that John doesn't want to

830
00:37:58,380 --> 00:37:59,980
avoid it. 
Maybe Benjin would have wanted 

831
00:37:59,980 --> 00:38:02,540
to avoid it. 
And maybe Benjin, especially in 

832
00:38:02,540 --> 00:38:05,500
the direness of the current 
moment, he just alright. 

833
00:38:05,620 --> 00:38:09,900
My my troubles with Craster 
aren't as important as saving 

834
00:38:09,900 --> 00:38:12,140
humanity, so I guess they'll go 
deal with this guy and then. 

835
00:38:12,140 --> 00:38:14,100
But and the other reason would 
be then why would he have seen 

836
00:38:14,100 --> 00:38:15,860
him three years ago? 
Why would he have come then if 

837
00:38:15,860 --> 00:38:18,140
he was avoiding him when it 
wasn't dangerous, when there 

838
00:38:18,140 --> 00:38:20,300
wasn't some? 
Just now, after 17 years as 

839
00:38:20,300 --> 00:38:21,860
arrangers decided to stop. 
Yeah. 

840
00:38:21,860 --> 00:38:24,640
So yeah, there's a lot of, a lot
of holes there. 

841
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,520
I mean, you're right. 
That is, there's still a thread 

842
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,880
of potential there. 
But yeah, he's most certainly 

843
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,840
lying. 
He also knows about Garrett's 

844
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,160
fate, which is interesting. 
Like he knew that Garrett ran 

845
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,000
off and he knew that he would 
have been executed. 

846
00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:39,280
So another reason to to guess 
that he knew about there has 

847
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:40,920
seen Benjamin. 
Nina says Garrett was only 

848
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,960
executed after Waymart and his 
party disappeared. 

849
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:47,480
Because Garrett, obviously 
Gamart combined Waymar and 

850
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,720
Garrett. 
That's cool Gamar Garrett. 

851
00:38:51,370 --> 00:38:52,970
Quite a ship there. 
They really didn't like each 

852
00:38:52,970 --> 00:38:56,090
other, but somehow it came 
around. 

853
00:38:58,810 --> 00:39:01,210
Garrett obviously deserted 
Waymar's party in the watch as a

854
00:39:01,210 --> 00:39:03,450
whole after the others killed 
Waymar and Will. 

855
00:39:03,450 --> 00:39:07,210
Only someone who went to 
Crafter's after Ned's execution 

856
00:39:07,210 --> 00:39:09,050
of Garrett would have been able 
to tell Crafter that Garrett was

857
00:39:09,050 --> 00:39:11,210
beheaded. 
How did Crafter learn that 

858
00:39:11,210 --> 00:39:13,410
Garrett was beheaded without 
talking to Rangers? 

859
00:39:13,410 --> 00:39:15,250
After that it happened. 
There's almost no way to to 

860
00:39:15,290 --> 00:39:16,530
know. 
Especially because it was close 

861
00:39:16,530 --> 00:39:18,170
to me. 
Like maybe like five years 

862
00:39:18,170 --> 00:39:20,780
passes and there's a lot of time
for the rumor to spread and a 

863
00:39:20,780 --> 00:39:22,100
lot of places and get back to 
crafts. 

864
00:39:22,100 --> 00:39:25,580
But we're talking like months 
later, only we brought out OSHA 

865
00:39:25,580 --> 00:39:29,180
earlier. 
I wonder if he knew OSHA or any 

866
00:39:29,180 --> 00:39:32,100
of them that in that group. 
I mean, it was Osha's group was 

867
00:39:32,220 --> 00:39:37,260
Rangers and wildlings, so it 
was, yeah, that was a mixed bag.

868
00:39:37,260 --> 00:39:38,420
There's he could have known any 
of them. 

869
00:39:39,260 --> 00:39:41,220
And I also wonder if he was ever
a Raider himself. 

870
00:39:42,060 --> 00:39:44,940
I'm going to guess no, because 
of how much he seems to distrust

871
00:39:44,940 --> 00:39:47,080
other men. 
And you need to like you're in a

872
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,960
team, like a squad going over 
the wall and fighting together 

873
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,200
and doing that game isn't like 
he works well with others. 

874
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,400
Well, he works well with others.
It doesn't work well with the 

875
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,720
lower case. 
Hey, the puns keep coming 

876
00:39:59,720 --> 00:40:02,520
because I call Craster's Keep 
Crasterly Rock. 

877
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,480
Yes, because at some point he 
left White Tree. 

878
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,120
Maybe he's a teenager. 
Maybe he was a mama's boy and 

879
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:10,560
lived with her for a long time. 
I don't know. 

880
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,840
I kind of feel like he was a 
loner from an early age, though.

881
00:40:15,380 --> 00:40:16,980
Just no one liked him, not even 
his mother. 

882
00:40:16,980 --> 00:40:19,580
You know, this guy's just anyway
he did. 

883
00:40:19,580 --> 00:40:22,340
Maybe he did some other things 
before building his place. 

884
00:40:22,340 --> 00:40:25,300
Or maybe he took the spot from 
someone else if he found it that

885
00:40:25,300 --> 00:40:28,460
way and added to it. 
No idea why he chose that spot, 

886
00:40:28,460 --> 00:40:30,380
but interestingly, it's not near
a wherewood. 

887
00:40:30,380 --> 00:40:33,500
There's no wherewood near his 
keep, which I think is notable 

888
00:40:33,500 --> 00:40:36,100
as he's like I do not want to 
live near a wherewood after 

889
00:40:36,100 --> 00:40:38,540
where I grew up like that. 
I'm done living near a big 

890
00:40:38,540 --> 00:40:41,940
creepy wherewood. 
Not doing that. 

891
00:40:42,620 --> 00:40:45,970
I'm curious how he built it, but
it's not exactly impressive. 

892
00:40:45,970 --> 00:40:48,370
It's called a keep by courtesy. 
It is really just. 

893
00:40:48,970 --> 00:40:51,930
John described it as a midden 
heat with a roof and a fire pit.

894
00:40:51,970 --> 00:40:56,370
And Nina points out like he used
slave labor, like he made his 

895
00:40:56,730 --> 00:41:01,170
his wives work on this place 
most certainly and and girls as 

896
00:41:01,170 --> 00:41:04,170
well. 
The show makes it look like more

897
00:41:04,170 --> 00:41:07,290
of a structure than it is. 
It's don't have that in your 

898
00:41:07,290 --> 00:41:09,290
mind when you're picturing it. 
It's hard not to because it's 

899
00:41:09,290 --> 00:41:12,490
like the only image you might 
have, but that building is 

900
00:41:12,490 --> 00:41:16,830
larger and more like taller. 
And yeah, it's more of a real 

901
00:41:16,830 --> 00:41:18,190
structure. 
This is not. 

902
00:41:19,750 --> 00:41:23,990
You could, you know over 10 plus
years, 20 or however long he's 

903
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:26,590
been there a couple good 
summers. 

904
00:41:26,590 --> 00:41:28,030
You know, you could you could 
improve. 

905
00:41:28,030 --> 00:41:29,910
You could grow a place. 
I still don't know necessarily 

906
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:32,030
if it's in the book meant to be 
as. 

907
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,960
Well built as it wasn't show but
I I can give it credit like 

908
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,160
especially because John too 
would particularly downplay it. 

909
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,840
What it keep is and his mind is 
so different like other Wildlys 

910
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,120
might be impressed with this 
castle that Craster has you know

911
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,120
so it doesn't have any defenses 
no wall, no towers. 

912
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,320
It has a ditch like a dike 
basically. 

913
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,080
So like a a slow, like a little 
miniature barrier that might 

914
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:54,840
slow people down briefly, but 
not much. 

915
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,440
There's a castle has a Moat. 
Yeah, you can fill it in with 

916
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,080
water. 
It would just freeze. 

917
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,800
It would be an ice mowed, yeah. 
Why would an old man with a 

918
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,400
household of 19 women and girls 
he's enslaved not feel the need 

919
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:08,880
to build the fences? 
Isn't that weird? 

920
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,600
Like, this is the culture that 
approves of stealing women. 

921
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,320
It's like, yes, it's perfectly 
okay to sneak into someone's 

922
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,640
house, grab a person and run 
away with them. 

923
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,600
If you can hold on to them, then
you earned it. 

924
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,240
So what's the deal here? 
Like, are people that afraid of 

925
00:42:25,240 --> 00:42:26,720
Craster? 
Are they that creeped out by 

926
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:28,680
him? 
Yeah, maybe. 

927
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,640
Because I don't know what else. 
And I, like the others, aren't 

928
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,970
like offending his territory for
him because he's sacrificed. 

929
00:42:34,970 --> 00:42:36,770
It doesn't work like that. 
We're not going that far with 

930
00:42:36,850 --> 00:42:39,290
with this relationship. 
There's no evidence of that. 

931
00:42:39,890 --> 00:42:41,930
He says the old gods will. 
The cold gods won't come for 

932
00:42:41,930 --> 00:42:43,290
him. 
The gods won't come for him 

933
00:42:43,290 --> 00:42:45,010
because he's a godly man he 
doesn't say anything about. 

934
00:42:45,290 --> 00:42:48,130
He never says why the other free
folk leave him alone. 

935
00:42:48,250 --> 00:42:51,130
But things that Igrit says kind 
of say it all. 

936
00:42:51,130 --> 00:42:55,730
Like, yeah, we could go steal a 
woman from him but they don't 

937
00:42:55,730 --> 00:42:57,930
want to. 
They don't like. 

938
00:42:57,930 --> 00:42:59,450
It's like what's been done to 
her. 

939
00:42:59,450 --> 00:43:02,990
Like that's Craster's child as 
well. 

940
00:43:02,990 --> 00:43:04,910
They don't want someone of his 
bloodline. 

941
00:43:04,910 --> 00:43:06,590
They don't. 
Yeah, like if his blood is black

942
00:43:06,590 --> 00:43:09,510
and he bears a heavy curse 
again, that's just a just a no, 

943
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:13,390
no from a social taboo point. 
Like this guy's A Kinslayer and 

944
00:43:13,390 --> 00:43:15,190
a yeah, you don't want to mix 
with that. 

945
00:43:15,790 --> 00:43:19,910
So interesting. 
Windowless hall deer hide flaps 

946
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:22,630
on the door, bear and ram skulls
on the gate. 

947
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:24,550
Sod roof. 
Not a wooden roof, not a stone 

948
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:26,750
roof. 
It's sod room for 30 to 50, 

949
00:43:26,750 --> 00:43:28,710
though, so it is. 
It's kind of decent size to it. 

950
00:43:28,950 --> 00:43:32,510
There's a cellar, kind of 
sleeping loft, a big fire pit, 

951
00:43:32,510 --> 00:43:34,030
not just a fire pit, but a big 
one. 

952
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:36,110
And that's the that's the 
difference between life and 

953
00:43:36,110 --> 00:43:38,270
death for some raining parties. 
They say this big fire pit 

954
00:43:38,270 --> 00:43:42,230
because it's got a roof over it 
50 to 70 years ago, before 

955
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:43,630
Crafts was there. 
I don't know. 

956
00:43:43,630 --> 00:43:46,150
They have died. 
I guess maybe, Like I said with 

957
00:43:46,150 --> 00:43:48,790
Blood Ravens party maybe. 
Yeah. 

958
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:50,550
Did they not range as far in the
past? 

959
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:52,150
What did they do before? 
It was tougher. 

960
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:54,270
In my day, ranging has gotten 
easy. 

961
00:43:54,270 --> 00:43:56,710
It's soft on you. 
Rangers of these days you got it

962
00:43:56,710 --> 00:44:00,310
easy. 
So on the on the idea that he's 

963
00:44:00,310 --> 00:44:03,790
a quote friend to the Watch, 
there's someone else that 

964
00:44:04,750 --> 00:44:09,150
doesn't like this arrangement so
much, another younger man who's 

965
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:14,070
got a more amiable, humorous 
take than Jon Snow. 

966
00:44:14,270 --> 00:44:18,430
Dollar said says. 
Do you know the difference 

967
00:44:18,430 --> 00:44:21,230
between a wildling who's a 
friend to the Watch and one 

968
00:44:21,230 --> 00:44:23,910
who's not? 
Asked the Dower Squire. 

969
00:44:24,510 --> 00:44:27,790
Our enemies leave our bodies for
the crows and the wolves, our 

970
00:44:27,790 --> 00:44:30,470
friends. 
Bury us in secret graves. 

971
00:44:31,110 --> 00:44:33,390
Come on now, That's not fair. 
They know better than to leave a

972
00:44:33,390 --> 00:44:37,830
body unburned. 
They would burn the body, but 

973
00:44:37,830 --> 00:44:40,070
yeah, yeah, it's. 
Yeah, true friend burns your 

974
00:44:40,070 --> 00:44:44,110
body when you die. 
A smart friend. 

975
00:44:44,510 --> 00:44:48,410
Yeah, a smart friend. 
Smart enemy burns your body? 

976
00:44:48,410 --> 00:44:50,970
Yeah. 
Smart human beyond the wall. 

977
00:44:51,250 --> 00:44:52,130
See a body? 
Burn it. 

978
00:44:52,170 --> 00:44:54,250
You know, like, you know how 
there's that that thing about 

979
00:44:54,250 --> 00:44:56,930
how apparently rhinos will stamp
out a fire in the Savannah when 

980
00:44:56,930 --> 00:44:59,730
they see it? 
Because yeah, certain animals 

981
00:44:59,730 --> 00:45:01,250
will will actually stamp out 
fires. 

982
00:45:01,250 --> 00:45:03,850
Because they, I think we should 
replace our fire department with

983
00:45:04,090 --> 00:45:07,410
Rhino departments. 
I like it. 

984
00:45:07,410 --> 00:45:08,970
I like it. 
Yeah, these guys are they? 

985
00:45:09,010 --> 00:45:11,210
Must say about some things that 
aren't fires also. 

986
00:45:11,210 --> 00:45:13,170
Well then we'll have a rot. 
We'll have like a rhino 

987
00:45:13,170 --> 00:45:15,170
department, for the rhinos will 
be confusing. 

988
00:45:15,170 --> 00:45:16,930
This is the Rhino Fire 
Department and the. 

989
00:45:17,130 --> 00:45:19,450
The rhino department? 
That's to deal with rhino 

990
00:45:19,730 --> 00:45:21,810
emergencies? 
Yeah. 

991
00:45:21,810 --> 00:45:24,490
Anyways, don't say Rhino, say 
Rye. 

992
00:45:24,490 --> 00:45:29,610
Yes. 
That'll be part of the rhino. 

993
00:45:31,090 --> 00:45:34,690
Pumpernickel. 
Yes, Paul. 

994
00:45:34,690 --> 00:45:39,770
Wheat nose craster says Waymar 
Royce refused to sleep under his

995
00:45:39,770 --> 00:45:42,210
roof as he said. 
John, of course, has that same 

996
00:45:42,370 --> 00:45:45,170
good for Waymar. 
I mean, you know, like that kid 

997
00:45:45,410 --> 00:45:50,300
was little too much vigor and a 
lot enough listening. 

998
00:45:50,580 --> 00:45:54,180
But he again is not definitely 
not a crave in this one, right? 

999
00:45:55,260 --> 00:45:58,140
I had a good death, A stupid 
death maybe, but a good one. 

1000
00:45:58,300 --> 00:46:01,980
Brave, etcetera. 
So John and John feels shame at 

1001
00:46:01,980 --> 00:46:03,500
leaving Gilly behind. 
I don't know. 

1002
00:46:03,500 --> 00:46:06,100
I wonder if Waymar. 
Waymar might not have that like 

1003
00:46:06,100 --> 00:46:07,100
to him. 
That might be they might be 

1004
00:46:07,100 --> 00:46:09,140
beneath him. 
He was kind of a Snooty guy, but

1005
00:46:09,140 --> 00:46:10,580
I don't know. 
We don't know that much about 

1006
00:46:10,580 --> 00:46:11,500
him. 
We don't know what he thought. 

1007
00:46:11,500 --> 00:46:14,360
He might have seen that as an 
abomination. 

1008
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:15,440
That should be. 
I mean, Waymar's. 

1009
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:19,080
Don't forget, Waymar's house is 
the Royces, and they they're 

1010
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,000
they've got a relationship with 
the Old Gods, unlike a lot of 

1011
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,880
Southerners. 
So he might take some of this 

1012
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,960
even more unkindly. 
Not that a Southerner wouldn't 

1013
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:30,160
be deeply offended by all this, 
but Waymar might have been even 

1014
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,600
a touch higher, and he was also 
a little touchy himself. 

1015
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,240
I can see that maybe he didn't 
like it and didn't want to be 

1016
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:39,240
part of it, but knew he couldn't
ruffle feathers so much by 

1017
00:46:39,240 --> 00:46:41,000
trying to do something about it,
you know? 

1018
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:44,390
Maybe he wanted to one day, but 
knew he was too young and needed

1019
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:46,190
to make his play after he 
whatever. 

1020
00:46:46,590 --> 00:46:50,710
But another thought I've had 
about this with both Waymar and 

1021
00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:52,630
maybe John. 
Maybe it's a little bit of 

1022
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:55,790
privilege, like they have eaten 
well. 

1023
00:46:55,950 --> 00:46:59,510
John got a couple good meals 
from Craster and then decided I 

1024
00:46:59,510 --> 00:47:02,110
don't want to eat his food. 
He didn't actually eat his food.

1025
00:47:03,540 --> 00:47:04,660
Oh, he didn't get any in the 1st
place. 

1026
00:47:04,700 --> 00:47:06,140
Okay. 
He refused to because that's 

1027
00:47:06,140 --> 00:47:08,060
what Gilly says You didn't. 
You didn't eat his food. 

1028
00:47:08,060 --> 00:47:09,500
You can like he's like that 
would be a guest, right? 

1029
00:47:09,500 --> 00:47:10,700
Violation. 
He's like no, you didn't sleep 

1030
00:47:10,700 --> 00:47:12,020
under his room. 
You didn't need his food. 

1031
00:47:12,340 --> 00:47:16,060
He kind of did though he he 
wasn't offered food by Craster. 

1032
00:47:16,300 --> 00:47:19,980
But remember Ghost killed 2 
rabbits and John a John ate one 

1033
00:47:19,980 --> 00:47:21,740
of them with Sam's. 
But John doesn't think of it 

1034
00:47:21,740 --> 00:47:23,620
that way. 
He's just like I'm not doing it.

1035
00:47:23,900 --> 00:47:27,130
It doesn't come to that. 
But still, there's some wiggle 

1036
00:47:27,130 --> 00:47:27,370
room. 
But. 

1037
00:47:27,370 --> 00:47:29,250
One way or the other, John is 
the steward. 

1038
00:47:29,490 --> 00:47:31,970
He's getting fed better than the
other Night's Watch. 

1039
00:47:32,090 --> 00:47:34,930
He's got a better cloak and a 
better sword and better boots. 

1040
00:47:34,930 --> 00:47:37,770
He's not suffering as much in 
the colder rain as these other 

1041
00:47:37,770 --> 00:47:39,890
soldiers who are close to 
starving the same. 

1042
00:47:41,130 --> 00:47:43,730
Exactly right. 
It's a little easier when you're

1043
00:47:43,730 --> 00:47:46,730
not in a brink of starvation, 
when you've got nice clothes to 

1044
00:47:46,730 --> 00:47:48,610
be pick and choosey about what 
meal you get. 

1045
00:47:48,810 --> 00:47:52,370
Now I would still like to think 
that I starving. 

1046
00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:56,600
Would not be okay with Craster. 
Maybe I would accept the food so

1047
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,800
I don't die, but I would still 
have it in my mind to do 

1048
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,480
something about it eventually. 
Maybe I even would forgo that if

1049
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,840
the world was in danger and that
was a higher priority. 

1050
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,830
But. 
But there is an element of me 

1051
00:48:06,830 --> 00:48:10,110
that that wonders about the 
Plovich nature way more. 

1052
00:48:10,110 --> 00:48:12,750
Maybe bench into I think that's 
a strong real world point too. 

1053
00:48:12,750 --> 00:48:16,070
That's why you know people of 
less means push people of more 

1054
00:48:16,070 --> 00:48:18,230
means to make changes rather 
than forcing it themselves 

1055
00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:19,550
sometimes. 
Because they can't, because you 

1056
00:48:19,550 --> 00:48:20,670
can't. 
Like it's the people with the 

1057
00:48:20,670 --> 00:48:22,710
power that have that have the 
power to enact that change, and 

1058
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:25,390
they have the privilege to do so
without as much cost to their 

1059
00:48:25,390 --> 00:48:29,030
own wellbeing. 
Maybe maybe I could give Jorah 

1060
00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:33,480
or a jor some credit too. 
Maybe he would like to make this

1061
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:37,640
moral stand against crasher, but
when I may I let my men freeze 

1062
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,680
starve to death? 
Yeah, like he's in a different 

1063
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,200
position. 
Yeah, and John can just do that 

1064
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:43,480
on his own. 
I'm not someone with Roof, but 

1065
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,240
like, some of the others can't. 
Like, no, I my cloak is too 

1066
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,560
thin, Like I'm screwed if I 
don't have this fire. 

1067
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,320
But you're right. 
Yeah, it's a really interesting 

1068
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,120
subdiscussion here, Nina says. 
I would like to think Waymar 

1069
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,440
deliberately refused to sleep 
under Crasher's roof because he 

1070
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,800
realized the same thing John 
did, that Crass was a terrible 

1071
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,840
person and that he didn't want 
to be subject to the strictures 

1072
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:05,400
of guest right from such a 
horrible host, some someone that

1073
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,200
he has this huge moral problem 
with. 

1074
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:12,440
Waymar was certainly arrogant 
and entitled, but he showed 

1075
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,840
honor most of its way through. 
Maybe not the way he treated his

1076
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,480
subordinates, but in most things
that in that brief time seeing 

1077
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,440
him. 
It's definitely possible though,

1078
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:26,160
that he's just purely being 
superior, that he's just like, 

1079
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:30,170
no, you're some filthy wildling.
I'm not sleeping beneath your 

1080
00:49:30,170 --> 00:49:31,490
roof. 
You know, it's got to be. 

1081
00:49:31,570 --> 00:49:34,450
It could be just that simple. 
So we're ascribing the potential

1082
00:49:34,450 --> 00:49:38,410
of extra honor where it might 
just be looking down on him with

1083
00:49:38,610 --> 00:49:39,970
and it might be a combination of
the two. 

1084
00:49:40,090 --> 00:49:43,410
It might be like that fuels his 
his honor is fueled by his 

1085
00:49:43,410 --> 00:49:44,930
contempt. 
He's like, I'm going to take out

1086
00:49:44,930 --> 00:49:48,130
High Road, but also you're gross
and I'm looking down on you. 

1087
00:49:50,410 --> 00:49:52,450
Be fair, it's not that high of a
road. 

1088
00:49:52,570 --> 00:49:55,050
We all think he's gross and look
down at him. 

1089
00:49:56,170 --> 00:50:00,250
So there's a an existing trope 
that, well, there's a lot of 

1090
00:50:00,250 --> 00:50:02,770
tropes here, a lot of existing 
tropes, horror tropes. 

1091
00:50:03,690 --> 00:50:06,970
There's the, I mean, George 
called this forest, the haunted 

1092
00:50:06,970 --> 00:50:08,530
forest. 
I mean, he decided not to be 

1093
00:50:08,530 --> 00:50:09,850
creative with it at all. 
I mean, that's so 

1094
00:50:09,850 --> 00:50:13,250
straightforward that it has to 
be intentional choice to make 

1095
00:50:13,250 --> 00:50:15,930
it. 
So like, that's the most simple 

1096
00:50:15,930 --> 00:50:19,090
name you can come up with. 
It's like it's like the most 

1097
00:50:19,090 --> 00:50:21,330
basic fairy tale. 
You haven't even described this,

1098
00:50:21,330 --> 00:50:23,570
the land. 
It's like there was a girl who 

1099
00:50:23,570 --> 00:50:26,650
lived in a town and nearby was 
that like, you don't describe 

1100
00:50:26,650 --> 00:50:30,650
anything but you have this 
description of the haunted 

1101
00:50:30,650 --> 00:50:32,810
forest Okay. 
That's what it's called. 

1102
00:50:33,490 --> 00:50:36,850
This is a fully developed world.
I still have a place called the 

1103
00:50:37,210 --> 00:50:40,050
haunted forest. 
The gorge is definitely 

1104
00:50:40,530 --> 00:50:43,450
reversing. 
Inverting a trope or or really 

1105
00:50:43,450 --> 00:50:45,610
leaning into it maybe sometimes 
it's hard to tell which he's 

1106
00:50:45,610 --> 00:50:47,970
which is which with him because 
he's so Trixie. 

1107
00:50:48,610 --> 00:50:51,170
But another trope I want to 
point to. 

1108
00:50:51,330 --> 00:50:54,210
I don't know the name of it. 
I think I saw a Shea trying to 

1109
00:50:54,210 --> 00:50:58,090
look it up over here while I 
was, while I was like while 

1110
00:50:58,090 --> 00:51:01,050
we're while we're talking here. 
I love TV trips so I was trying 

1111
00:51:01,050 --> 00:51:04,930
to find an actual yeah, the 
trope is you can sleep under my 

1112
00:51:04,930 --> 00:51:07,530
roof but you can't mess with my 
daughter slash wife. 

1113
00:51:08,130 --> 00:51:10,170
We've all seen this one before. 
It's been in a lot of fairy 

1114
00:51:10,170 --> 00:51:12,370
tales, horror stories. 
Seinfeld did it. 

1115
00:51:13,210 --> 00:51:16,450
Freaking Seinfeld did it with 
Newman when he's lost in the 

1116
00:51:16,530 --> 00:51:19,710
some rural area, when they're 
doing their they're recycled 

1117
00:51:19,710 --> 00:51:22,590
cans plan when they're trying to
drive all the cans in a mail 

1118
00:51:22,590 --> 00:51:25,030
truck to another state and gets 
lost. 

1119
00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:29,270
And yeah, Scramer kicks him out 
of the truck for weight for the 

1120
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:32,350
same people or whatever, so he 
gets stuck on a farm anyway. 

1121
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:35,270
Yeah, the closest trip I could 
find was just not under the 

1122
00:51:35,270 --> 00:51:37,310
parents roof. 
But that's not quite the right 

1123
00:51:37,310 --> 00:51:39,630
Yeah, that's when you come to 
visit the parents and they get 

1124
00:51:39,630 --> 00:51:41,430
to live by. 
You can't sleep together because

1125
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:42,670
you're staying. 
Exactly. 

1126
00:51:43,110 --> 00:51:45,150
But yeah, I don't know the name 
for it. 

1127
00:51:45,150 --> 00:51:48,030
I didn't know how to look it up.
I was like Sleep Roof. 

1128
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:53,030
Well, what I did was I went. 
To episodes of TV on TV Trip 

1129
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:55,830
where I knew that it happened 
like when Bender can't sleep 

1130
00:51:55,830 --> 00:51:58,790
with the Farmer's daughters on 
the moon and Futurama too. 

1131
00:51:58,870 --> 00:52:00,590
And Futurama. 
Bender can't like the key. 

1132
00:52:00,590 --> 00:52:03,310
There's there's Little Bell and 
the Crush Inator, and he ends up

1133
00:52:03,310 --> 00:52:06,110
with sleeping with Crush Inator.
Anyway, so Crush Inator is the 

1134
00:52:06,110 --> 00:52:06,910
daughter That's. 
Yeah. 

1135
00:52:06,910 --> 00:52:09,550
So I went to that episode and, 
like, didn't have it listed 

1136
00:52:09,550 --> 00:52:11,150
there. 
And then I tried going to the 

1137
00:52:11,150 --> 00:52:13,830
King of the Hill episode, where 
Bill isn't supposed to sleep 

1138
00:52:13,830 --> 00:52:16,670
with his three cousins. 
You remember like, he's his 

1139
00:52:16,870 --> 00:52:18,270
cousins and he's like, he's not 
supposed to. 

1140
00:52:18,350 --> 00:52:21,150
Touch the the, the beautiful 
flowers and the New Orleans 

1141
00:52:21,350 --> 00:52:23,430
cousins anyways. 
But no, it also just never 

1142
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:25,550
listed there, so I don't know 
TV. 

1143
00:52:25,870 --> 00:52:28,110
Let me down So this is a an 
opportunity y'all if you're 

1144
00:52:28,110 --> 00:52:32,550
listening send us your favorite 
example of the you can't sleep 

1145
00:52:32,550 --> 00:52:34,110
under. 
You can sleep under my roof and 

1146
00:52:34,110 --> 00:52:37,790
have my food and all that, but 
don't touch my daughter wife and

1147
00:52:37,870 --> 00:52:41,390
and usually in the story the 
daughter slash wife flirts with 

1148
00:52:41,390 --> 00:52:44,310
them like make like is an 
enticer like it's is a seducer 

1149
00:52:44,310 --> 00:52:46,790
like makes it a little tougher 
because or a lot tougher because

1150
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,040
they're flirting or something. 
Yeah, so I was a temptation. 

1151
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,440
So I also tried looking up like 
temptation ones, like I found 

1152
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,800
like things about like The Final
Temptation and stuff like that. 

1153
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,360
But so Gilly is like an 
inversion of this trope, because

1154
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:02,600
there's no lust involved here. 
Like the lust, Sam has to, like,

1155
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,720
be led by the nose when sex 
finally comes into their 

1156
00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:10,000
relationship way later. 
But at this point, there's none 

1157
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:11,720
of that. 
There's no, like, look at her. 

1158
00:53:11,720 --> 00:53:14,520
There's not even a shred of 
attraction on either side. 

1159
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:19,070
It's just save me because my 
child's going to be sacrificed. 

1160
00:53:19,070 --> 00:53:23,710
So it's the temptation is to be 
honorable in the face of what is

1161
00:53:24,190 --> 00:53:26,590
called a different sort of 
dishonor, like an affront to the

1162
00:53:26,590 --> 00:53:28,990
gods. 
So it's it's a real, like what's

1163
00:53:28,990 --> 00:53:32,110
the actual honorable thing to do
here, Which is a a bat is a 

1164
00:53:32,110 --> 00:53:34,230
recurring theme that George 
likes to to play with. 

1165
00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:35,990
It's like what What is 
honorable? 

1166
00:53:36,190 --> 00:53:37,310
What isn't? 
What do you do? 

1167
00:53:37,310 --> 00:53:40,110
When to when honor conflicts. 
What do you do when people think

1168
00:53:40,110 --> 00:53:42,550
something, when the society says
something is honorable, but you 

1169
00:53:42,590 --> 00:53:44,790
just strongly disagree? 
And all the readers do, too. 

1170
00:53:45,290 --> 00:53:47,250
There's a lot of examples like 
this in in the Song of Ice and 

1171
00:53:47,250 --> 00:53:49,370
Fire. 
George is really good at that. 

1172
00:53:49,370 --> 00:53:52,930
A side topic I wonder about, 
which is a segue to the 

1173
00:53:52,930 --> 00:53:56,050
second-half of our episode 
today, in which we will spend a 

1174
00:53:56,050 --> 00:53:59,770
lot of time talking about the 
others and the sacrifice and 

1175
00:53:59,770 --> 00:54:01,370
then this stuff. 
We we've set this up. 

1176
00:54:01,530 --> 00:54:02,930
Now, we're going to dive into it
in the second-half. 

1177
00:54:02,930 --> 00:54:07,130
But a question I have to lead 
into that, as I'm saying, is to 

1178
00:54:07,130 --> 00:54:09,410
keep still protected after crash
with death. 

1179
00:54:10,130 --> 00:54:14,810
Do the others associate the 
sacrifice with that piece of 

1180
00:54:14,810 --> 00:54:18,730
land, that building, or is it 
like a deal they have with him 

1181
00:54:19,210 --> 00:54:20,690
specifically? 
I think it's the inhabitants 

1182
00:54:20,690 --> 00:54:22,650
because I don't know that they 
recognize him as an individual. 

1183
00:54:22,810 --> 00:54:25,290
He might think they do, but 
that's something we'll explore 

1184
00:54:25,290 --> 00:54:26,850
in the second-half. 
Something for you to think about

1185
00:54:26,850 --> 00:54:30,930
as we move our way towards that.
One of many mysteries that we 

1186
00:54:30,930 --> 00:54:35,210
cannot quite get to the bottom 
of but sure does make us think. 

1187
00:54:36,450 --> 00:54:42,200
But first, our mid roll portion 
of the show, the actor who 

1188
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,320
played Craster in Game of 
Thrones is named Robert Pugh. 

1189
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,520
He was in a lot of recognizable 
shows that many of you will have

1190
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,520
heard of or have watched, like 
The White Queen and Shameless 

1191
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:56,440
and Nightfall and Doctor Who and
Torchwood and Master and 

1192
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:57,720
Commander. 
And maybe he's friends with 

1193
00:54:57,720 --> 00:55:00,800
Russell Crowe because he was 
also in the Robin Hood with 

1194
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,000
Russell Crowe and Cate 
Blanchett. 

1195
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:03,880
There's like two of the only 
movies he's been and he's been a

1196
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:07,320
lot of TV shows. 
So also that Robin Hood also had

1197
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,970
Mark Addy and and Max von Seido,
who of course Robert Brathian 

1198
00:55:10,970 --> 00:55:13,890
and Blood Raven respectively. 
Also the Oscar Isaac in it, 

1199
00:55:13,890 --> 00:55:16,170
which I just he's not related to
Game of Thrones at all, but I'm 

1200
00:55:16,170 --> 00:55:17,850
like I didn't know he was in 
that. 

1201
00:55:17,850 --> 00:55:20,530
That's interesting. 
That's a lot of interesting cast

1202
00:55:20,530 --> 00:55:24,130
members for a movie that sucked.
Just so you know, it was awful. 

1203
00:55:24,290 --> 00:55:26,610
I don't recall it. 
I think I didn't see it, so that

1204
00:55:26,610 --> 00:55:27,730
might be why I didn't bother to 
see it. 

1205
00:55:27,730 --> 00:55:29,970
Because people said such bad 
things about it. 

1206
00:55:31,450 --> 00:55:33,650
Indeed. 
So we're still running our 

1207
00:55:33,690 --> 00:55:36,650
Patron special. 
It's only got 2 weeks left, 

1208
00:55:36,650 --> 00:55:38,050
folks. 
You got two weeks left to sign 

1209
00:55:38,050 --> 00:55:41,490
up at the two dollar level, get 
all our bonus episodes, get 

1210
00:55:41,650 --> 00:55:44,450
involved in episode voting, 
behind the scenes stuff every 

1211
00:55:44,450 --> 00:55:46,530
once in a while, get yourself a 
cool nickname. 

1212
00:55:46,810 --> 00:55:48,570
If you sign up at a higher 
level, you can get things like 

1213
00:55:48,570 --> 00:55:50,370
access to scripts and other 
things like that. 

1214
00:55:50,810 --> 00:55:53,410
But if you sign up now for 
$2.00, a $2.00 level is going 

1215
00:55:53,410 --> 00:55:56,050
away in a couple weeks. 
Two weeks, we're right. 

1216
00:55:56,050 --> 00:55:57,730
We start Valerie's Fire and 
Blood. 

1217
00:55:58,650 --> 00:56:01,930
So if you if you get that lock 
price locked in, you get to keep

1218
00:56:01,930 --> 00:56:04,530
it even as the price goes up. 
So you'll stay at the $2.00 

1219
00:56:04,530 --> 00:56:07,550
level even as it goes away. 
One thing you get is to 

1220
00:56:07,550 --> 00:56:10,670
participate in our Quick Flash 
and trivia and gaming sessions, 

1221
00:56:10,670 --> 00:56:11,190
right? 
That's right. 

1222
00:56:11,190 --> 00:56:13,470
We just had our second one of 
those on Thursday. 

1223
00:56:13,470 --> 00:56:15,430
That was a lot of fun. 
We played Quick Flash three 

1224
00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:19,110
times and then we played ATKO, 
which is super fun. 

1225
00:56:19,110 --> 00:56:22,270
That's the T-shirt design game 
where people draw T-shirt 

1226
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:25,430
designs and then put slogans and
then match them together and 

1227
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:26,750
create these really funny 
combinations. 

1228
00:56:26,750 --> 00:56:28,390
It's very, of course, very Game 
of Thrones themed. 

1229
00:56:29,070 --> 00:56:30,830
There were some funny drawings 
for sure. 

1230
00:56:30,830 --> 00:56:33,470
We probably have like 15 people 
participating. 

1231
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,760
To be a player, you have to be a
patron, but you can participate 

1232
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,920
in audience voting, which is a 
lot of fun still without being a

1233
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:42,960
patron, so. 
Worth noting I guess if you go 

1234
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,760
to the Facebook page or the 
Facebook group, but the Facebook

1235
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,920
page will be easier to find it. 
We stream the last two whiplash 

1236
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,240
sessions. 
So you should you. 

1237
00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:55,080
You could go there and just kind
of get a sense of the vibe and 

1238
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:56,920
check it out and all that on the
Facebook page. 

1239
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:04,370
Now the phrase the cold gods is 
uttered, I'm pretty sure, only 

1240
00:57:04,370 --> 00:57:05,970
by Craster, Maybe one of his 
wives. 

1241
00:57:05,970 --> 00:57:08,010
No one of the wives says it, 
like even Gilly says it, but 

1242
00:57:08,010 --> 00:57:08,970
they're the only ones who say 
it. 

1243
00:57:08,970 --> 00:57:11,890
So only people, only Craster and
people who. 

1244
00:57:12,410 --> 00:57:16,290
Are raised by Craster, who of 
course would use the same 

1245
00:57:16,290 --> 00:57:17,810
language he does for most 
things. 

1246
00:57:18,810 --> 00:57:20,450
Calls it that. 
So let's we're going to devote 

1247
00:57:20,530 --> 00:57:23,930
most of the second-half to to 
this part and we'll start with a

1248
00:57:23,930 --> 00:57:27,410
key piece of dialogue. 
Is it Craster who frightens you,

1249
00:57:27,450 --> 00:57:29,810
Gilly? 
For the baby, not for me. 

1250
00:57:30,210 --> 00:57:32,330
If it's a girl, that's not so 
bad. 

1251
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:35,070
She'll grow a few years and 
he'll marry her. 

1252
00:57:35,470 --> 00:57:39,550
But Nella says it's to be a boy 
and she's had sex and knows 

1253
00:57:39,550 --> 00:57:42,550
these things. 
He gives the boys to the gods 

1254
00:57:43,110 --> 00:57:47,750
come the white cold he does, and
of late it comes more often. 

1255
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:51,230
That's why he started giving 
them sheep, even though he has a

1256
00:57:51,230 --> 00:57:55,150
taste for mutton only. 
Now the sheep's gone too. 

1257
00:57:55,510 --> 00:58:00,310
Next it will be dogs Till she 
lowered her eyes and stroked her

1258
00:58:00,310 --> 00:58:04,430
belly. 
What gods, Thomas remembering. 

1259
00:58:04,430 --> 00:58:07,790
They'd seen no boys in Krasher's
keep, nor men either, save 

1260
00:58:07,790 --> 00:58:11,110
Krasher himself. 
The cold gods, she said. 

1261
00:58:11,350 --> 00:58:14,430
The ones in the night, the white
shadows. 

1262
00:58:15,150 --> 00:58:18,270
There are so many rabbit holes 
in that conversation. 

1263
00:58:18,270 --> 00:58:20,230
Let's do some of the smaller 
ones first. 

1264
00:58:20,230 --> 00:58:24,230
Like, I hope that's not literal 
When she says he'll grow the the

1265
00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:28,070
girl will grow a few years, then
he'll marry them like a few. 

1266
00:58:29,070 --> 00:58:34,140
Not even 10, he gets. 
And then she says of late it 

1267
00:58:34,140 --> 00:58:36,220
comes more often now that we 
kind of knew already. 

1268
00:58:36,220 --> 00:58:38,860
Yeah, winter is it's getting 
colder the the visits are coming

1269
00:58:38,860 --> 00:58:40,460
more often that that really 
just. 

1270
00:58:40,460 --> 00:58:43,380
Yes, the appearance of them to 
weigh My Royce. 

1271
00:58:43,420 --> 00:58:45,980
And at the fist of the first 
man, yes, definitely. 

1272
00:58:45,980 --> 00:58:47,380
Of course the fist comes after 
this. 

1273
00:58:47,380 --> 00:58:49,780
But still we have that that we 
know about that. 

1274
00:58:51,580 --> 00:58:53,830
How long has this been happening
again? 

1275
00:58:53,830 --> 00:58:56,950
That's when we wondered, like, 
did his mother sacrifice to the 

1276
00:58:56,950 --> 00:58:58,830
old, like, when did this 
arrangement happen? 

1277
00:58:58,830 --> 00:59:00,590
How did it come along? 
And he decide to do it? 

1278
00:59:00,790 --> 00:59:03,630
He's like, I'm. 
I know I'll start sacrificing to

1279
00:59:03,630 --> 00:59:04,990
them. 
No one, no one does that. 

1280
00:59:04,990 --> 00:59:06,630
But I'll show everybody how it's
done. 

1281
00:59:06,910 --> 00:59:09,350
You might have had the idea. 
I mean, he's got hermit vibes 

1282
00:59:09,350 --> 00:59:12,070
for sure, except for that he's 
got all these women that he's 

1283
00:59:12,070 --> 00:59:14,350
forced to be around him. 
So, yeah, if you, if you're an 

1284
00:59:14,350 --> 00:59:17,110
independent thinker, you're just
like Craster. 

1285
00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:20,910
Yeah, sorry, independent 
thinker. 

1286
00:59:21,070 --> 00:59:22,710
Someone told me how to think, 
not what I meant. 

1287
00:59:24,670 --> 00:59:26,670
So Nina says it's probably a 
little of column, a little 

1288
00:59:26,670 --> 00:59:28,790
column B. 
She doesn't think Craster came 

1289
00:59:28,790 --> 00:59:30,670
up with the idea on her on his 
own. 

1290
00:59:31,390 --> 00:59:33,590
This is a practice that is 
probably existed for a long 

1291
00:59:33,590 --> 00:59:34,830
time. 
The others have existed for a 

1292
00:59:34,830 --> 00:59:37,470
long time. 
If you've got a big powerful 

1293
00:59:37,470 --> 00:59:40,750
being that you don't know what 
it wants, that's a normal thing 

1294
00:59:40,750 --> 00:59:42,590
to do. 
Try to offer things like get, 

1295
00:59:42,590 --> 00:59:45,230
make offerings to the gods. 
Like that happens like that's 

1296
00:59:45,230 --> 00:59:47,470
happened in the real world. 
People just they don't know what

1297
00:59:47,470 --> 00:59:49,830
the gods wants. 
So they give them things they 

1298
00:59:49,830 --> 00:59:51,910
think they want. 
I mean that that's the source of

1299
00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:55,990
a lot of real world logic, quote
UN quote, behind sacrifice in 

1300
00:59:55,990 --> 00:59:58,790
the 1st place. 
It's like give them something 

1301
00:59:58,790 --> 01:00:01,350
that's valuable to us or that we
think is valuable to them so 

1302
01:00:01,350 --> 01:00:04,670
they don't destroy us or the sun
keeps rising or that so that 

1303
01:00:04,670 --> 01:00:07,150
spring comes. 
It's a very similar like. 

1304
01:00:07,770 --> 01:00:11,250
Basic deity logic of we got to 
give them something or they'll 

1305
01:00:11,250 --> 01:00:14,330
kill us. 
But the idea that it's got to be

1306
01:00:14,330 --> 01:00:19,530
sons like that is where Nina 
thinks Craster is just making 

1307
01:00:19,530 --> 01:00:22,930
that up because it's it's what 
he wants it it works for him. 

1308
01:00:22,930 --> 01:00:25,410
That way he can keep all these 
other men away and no one's ever

1309
01:00:25,410 --> 01:00:27,610
going to challenge him. 
So it's like, yeah, I'm going. 

1310
01:00:27,690 --> 01:00:30,360
To leave. 
Also so that he can keep 

1311
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:33,080
creating more children. 
If he if you give all the women 

1312
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,040
away, then you won't be able to 
make any more babies to 

1313
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:36,240
sacrifice. 
That's a good point, yeah. 

1314
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:40,760
Logistically he needs as many 
baby makers as he can to pull 

1315
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:44,760
off this, keep the others at Bay
with as many sons as possible. 

1316
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:48,440
And as the sun, as the cold gets
colder, he needs more sons to 

1317
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:49,520
do. 
I mean this is obviously his 

1318
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,440
logic is quote UN quote. 
Why can't he get more goats, 

1319
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:57,050
more human, when babies like? 
Because it's weird enough, and 

1320
01:00:57,050 --> 01:01:00,970
it seems like that was something
that worked, at least some at 

1321
01:01:00,970 --> 01:01:03,770
some point, right? 
She says that the sheep are all 

1322
01:01:03,770 --> 01:01:08,170
gone now, so we have less. 
Like, how long did it take for 

1323
01:01:08,170 --> 01:01:11,050
the sheep to go? 
How did he find out the sheep 

1324
01:01:11,050 --> 01:01:13,570
work? 
There's so many things about 

1325
01:01:13,570 --> 01:01:14,410
this. 
So we're. 

1326
01:01:14,450 --> 01:01:17,650
Saying that like the young boy, 
like babies are at all turned 

1327
01:01:17,650 --> 01:01:20,130
into others, that's at all a 
thing that we think is possible,

1328
01:01:20,130 --> 01:01:22,050
right? 
Yeah, yeah, just ficturing 

1329
01:01:22,050 --> 01:01:22,770
sheep. 
Others. 

1330
01:01:22,770 --> 01:01:25,450
Now that's where the giant 
that's where the giant ice 

1331
01:01:25,450 --> 01:01:26,570
spiders come from. 
They're. 

1332
01:01:26,610 --> 01:01:28,730
All, yeah, that's what ice 
spiders. 

1333
01:01:28,810 --> 01:01:29,890
Yeah. 
Horse was sheep originally, 

1334
01:01:32,090 --> 01:01:35,410
yeah. 
So the idea like they like it's 

1335
01:01:35,450 --> 01:01:38,450
it's the story say that they 
like life, they like young life 

1336
01:01:38,450 --> 01:01:40,570
especially. 
So if you're sacrificing young 

1337
01:01:40,650 --> 01:01:43,410
the youth or young animals. 
And that kind of fits into what 

1338
01:01:43,690 --> 01:01:45,330
has been said for thousands of 
years. 

1339
01:01:45,930 --> 01:01:47,930
But it's interesting to think 
that if how long have they been 

1340
01:01:47,930 --> 01:01:51,100
collecting the sacrifices is he 
putting them out there and just 

1341
01:01:51,100 --> 01:01:53,420
a sheep is out there and just 
some wolf comes and takes it and

1342
01:01:53,420 --> 01:01:54,580
he's like Yep, the cold gods 
came. 

1343
01:02:14,660 --> 01:02:17,180
There also does seem to be a 
coldness that comes with the 

1344
01:02:17,180 --> 01:01:56,660
two, right? 
I don't think so it's possible 

1345
01:01:56,660 --> 01:01:58,420
but but the evidence suggests 
no. 

1346
01:01:58,420 --> 01:02:01,100
Gilly and other some of the 
other wives have seen the others

1347
01:02:01,660 --> 01:02:02,780
they've been able to describe 
them. 

1348
01:02:03,340 --> 01:02:06,940
So kind of don't think the whole
just some wild animals coming 

1349
01:02:06,940 --> 01:02:08,220
off and he's saying it's the 
cold. 

1350
01:02:08,220 --> 01:02:10,700
I don't think that works. 
It's a theory because they've 

1351
01:02:10,700 --> 01:02:12,300
been present, like literally 
presents. 

1352
01:02:12,340 --> 01:02:18,420
But when did it? 
So. 

1353
01:02:19,070 --> 01:02:22,030
Every time a wolf comes, it gets
extra cold that doesn't really 

1354
01:02:22,150 --> 01:02:22,670
fit. 
Yeah. 

1355
01:02:23,310 --> 01:02:26,590
And they they feel like it's a 
certain that the cold has like a

1356
01:02:26,590 --> 01:02:28,230
quality to it that they 
recognize. 

1357
01:02:28,430 --> 01:02:30,910
And like Darwin has that he can 
smell it a certain way. 

1358
01:02:30,910 --> 01:02:32,070
It's like there's something 
about it. 

1359
01:02:32,350 --> 01:02:34,590
It's off. 
And maybe someone who's more, 

1360
01:02:34,590 --> 01:02:37,030
who's lived beyond the wall 
other years can is better at 

1361
01:02:37,030 --> 01:02:40,230
sensing that difference. 
The differentiating between cold

1362
01:02:40,670 --> 01:02:42,070
natural cold and supernatural 
cold. 

1363
01:02:42,950 --> 01:02:45,390
Someone who's felt a lot of both
might know that there are a lot 

1364
01:02:45,390 --> 01:02:46,750
of 1. 
Might know something's different

1365
01:02:46,750 --> 01:02:48,630
about this cold. 
Something feels evil about it. 

1366
01:02:49,540 --> 01:02:52,060
I'm going to take this seriously
because we know the others are a

1367
01:02:52,060 --> 01:02:52,620
thing. 
You know? 

1368
01:02:52,740 --> 01:02:55,140
That kind of. 
Thing even aside from the 

1369
01:02:55,180 --> 01:02:58,540
supernatural element there, 
there's a difference in a humid 

1370
01:02:58,540 --> 01:03:01,100
cold and a dry cold, for 
example, right? 

1371
01:03:01,380 --> 01:03:04,900
And often? 
Usually cold comes in either 

1372
01:03:05,020 --> 01:03:09,300
with wind or as the sunsets. 
But imagine if it's the same 

1373
01:03:09,300 --> 01:03:12,500
time of day and there's no wind 
and it suddenly goes from 40 

1374
01:03:12,500 --> 01:03:15,580
degrees to 20 degrees like that.
Maybe the feel of the cold is 

1375
01:03:15,580 --> 01:03:18,540
the same, but the nature of how 
quickly it came doesn't. 

1376
01:03:19,170 --> 01:03:20,050
Is it natural? 
You know? 

1377
01:03:20,090 --> 01:03:23,970
Yeah, let's look at a different 
piece of evidence here, she 

1378
01:03:23,970 --> 01:03:24,930
says. 
Nella. 

1379
01:03:25,010 --> 01:03:27,450
Nella says it's to be a boy and 
she's had six and knows these 

1380
01:03:27,450 --> 01:03:28,490
things. 
Does that mean she's had six 

1381
01:03:28,490 --> 01:03:31,370
children or six boys? 
Because damn, six boys, I had to

1382
01:03:31,370 --> 01:03:33,210
give them all away. 
I figured six children though, 

1383
01:03:33,610 --> 01:03:35,610
yeah. 
I think maybe, yeah. 

1384
01:03:38,210 --> 01:03:40,970
If he's been doing this a long 
time and and and it's been 

1385
01:03:40,970 --> 01:03:44,730
working a long time, then it 
means the others have been back 

1386
01:03:44,810 --> 01:03:46,330
sooner than we might have 
fought. 

1387
01:03:46,330 --> 01:03:48,660
We might have been thinking 
they've Waymar's encounter with 

1388
01:03:48,660 --> 01:03:51,540
them, me was, they've just 
returned. 

1389
01:03:51,940 --> 01:03:53,980
But if Crash has been doing this
for a while, he's been 

1390
01:03:53,980 --> 01:03:57,540
sacrificing his sons for like, 
more than a generation. 

1391
01:03:57,660 --> 01:03:58,980
Definitely more than a 
generation. 

1392
01:03:58,980 --> 01:04:02,180
Some of his wives are always 
almost as old as he is, or at 

1393
01:04:02,180 --> 01:04:04,940
least in their past, their 
childbearing years, and have had

1394
01:04:04,940 --> 01:04:07,380
children. 
So like, possibly as long as, 

1395
01:04:07,380 --> 01:04:11,780
like 40 years. 
He's been doing this way before 

1396
01:04:12,100 --> 01:04:18,410
the comet, way before. 
I mean that's that's like Summer

1397
01:04:18,410 --> 01:04:19,530
Hall. 
That's like when Summer hall 

1398
01:04:19,530 --> 01:04:22,690
happened 40 years ago. 
So not that they're connected 

1399
01:04:22,690 --> 01:04:24,690
events, but I'm just saying 
that's how long ago it was. 

1400
01:04:25,250 --> 01:04:29,650
So the others have been coming, 
have been back that long or even

1401
01:04:29,650 --> 01:04:31,210
longer. 
Like I don't think that he was 

1402
01:04:31,210 --> 01:04:33,490
the first one to notice that's 
that would be quite a 

1403
01:04:33,490 --> 01:04:36,010
coincidence. 
Seems like people much farther N

1404
01:04:36,010 --> 01:04:40,250
would have been the ones on that
tip sooner than the people 

1405
01:04:40,250 --> 01:04:43,400
really close to the wall. 
Like the Fens would have known 

1406
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:45,360
sooner. 
You know, like man says, the 

1407
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,800
Fens couldn't stand against the 
others, nor could the ice river.

1408
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:50,360
None of these other farther 
northern people could stand 

1409
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:51,680
against the others. 
It sounds like they may have 

1410
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:55,320
tried. 
The fact that animal sacrifice 

1411
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:58,400
works is what you're saying. 
Sean's like, why not just keep 

1412
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:00,040
giving them animals then? 
Well, that's that's where we get

1413
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:03,240
into Craster is made a deal with
the devil. 

1414
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:05,440
Not just made a deal with the 
devil, but he's profiting from 

1415
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:05,960
it. 
He's create. 

1416
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:10,730
He's like the former slave that 
helps other slaves become 

1417
01:05:10,730 --> 01:05:11,970
enslaved, that helps the 
masters. 

1418
01:05:11,970 --> 01:05:15,130
Or, you know, just someone who 
turns against their own people. 

1419
01:05:15,210 --> 01:05:18,890
You know, someone who's the 
conduit for the worst things. 

1420
01:05:21,090 --> 01:05:22,690
Nina says. 
Crash was probably just guessing

1421
01:05:22,690 --> 01:05:24,810
what the others want. 
It selfishly doesn't want to 

1422
01:05:24,810 --> 01:05:27,810
surrender any women because, 
like Sean said, he wants to keep

1423
01:05:28,090 --> 01:05:30,290
enslaving them and raping them 
and having more children. 

1424
01:05:30,570 --> 01:05:33,290
The others, so far as we know, 
can't talk to people. 

1425
01:05:33,290 --> 01:05:37,240
They have that language crossed.
But there's no reason to think 

1426
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:40,200
Craster speaks scrath or that 
they can speak to him. 

1427
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:44,840
So there's no, like, hammering 
out an arrangement here, right. 

1428
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:48,240
He's they're like, they didn't 
leave a grocery list of yes boys

1429
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:51,440
first sheeps. 
So I can dot like they, you 

1430
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:53,040
know, like she's like, well, 
that's what they. 

1431
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:54,680
I could. 
I was actually. 

1432
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:55,840
Could he have dreams? 
Maybe. 

1433
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,520
Playing a scenario out in my 
mind where they maybe they 

1434
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:02,000
indicate maybe he brings them to
sheep and they're like no. 

1435
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:05,720
Nod their heads, shake their 
heads and want 2 sheep he's 

1436
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:07,640
like. 
So it goes back and get another 

1437
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:11,560
and then so now maybe the others
keep raising the stakes maybe 

1438
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:16,160
maybe he brings 2 sheep and now 
they shake their head and he's 

1439
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:18,880
you know what three and they're 
like shake their heads, still 

1440
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:21,920
know like what do you want And 
they point at a child. 

1441
01:06:22,610 --> 01:06:25,850
He's like, oh geez, I I can see 
how it might be communicated. 

1442
01:06:26,010 --> 01:06:27,730
If they want something beyond 
what he's been giving. 

1443
01:06:27,770 --> 01:06:29,690
I can see that too. 
I think I can see that too, and 

1444
01:06:29,690 --> 01:06:32,010
especially. 
That would be a very scary, 

1445
01:06:32,010 --> 01:06:35,650
menacing scene to portray too, 
because like and you can see why

1446
01:06:35,650 --> 01:06:37,450
the others would want, would 
like the arrangement. 

1447
01:06:37,450 --> 01:06:39,810
They're like okay, here's a guy 
who's willing to give us fresh 

1448
01:06:39,810 --> 01:06:41,330
meat. 
You know, we, you know, 

1449
01:06:41,330 --> 01:06:44,370
sometimes it's a baby. 
Like we will take the sheep and 

1450
01:06:44,370 --> 01:06:46,450
the dogs, but hey, sometimes 
it's a baby. 

1451
01:06:47,450 --> 01:06:49,850
The problem with that is still, 
why don't the others just go 

1452
01:06:49,850 --> 01:06:51,410
take it? 
How can you stop them? 

1453
01:06:51,930 --> 01:06:53,210
Why does he need to make a 
sacrifice? 

1454
01:06:53,210 --> 01:06:54,450
Why don't I just walk in and 
take? 

1455
01:06:54,450 --> 01:06:57,570
Because then there will be. 
Well, yeah, that's a good point,

1456
01:06:57,570 --> 01:06:59,010
I guess. 
Yeah, maybe there's some. 

1457
01:06:59,050 --> 01:07:01,050
Well, then they don't know. 
Well, then how does he know that

1458
01:07:01,050 --> 01:07:03,490
that's who it's taking? 
How does he know? 

1459
01:07:03,490 --> 01:07:04,090
To make more. 
Why? 

1460
01:07:04,170 --> 01:07:05,810
Does he need to know? 
I'm just saying, why are the 

1461
01:07:05,810 --> 01:07:06,810
others doing it? 
Because he's willing. 

1462
01:07:06,810 --> 01:07:08,370
He's leaned into it. 
He's profiting from this 

1463
01:07:08,370 --> 01:07:10,290
arrangement. 
So he wants to give them what 

1464
01:07:10,290 --> 01:07:12,490
they want. 
So if they want sons, he's going

1465
01:07:12,490 --> 01:07:14,880
to give them to them. 
But if they take sons without 

1466
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:16,040
like they are taking, they're 
forcing. 

1467
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,040
He doesn't understand how or why
it's happening. 

1468
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:19,880
Yeah, Like, if it's just like, 
hey, other sheep vanished. 

1469
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:21,240
Like, how does he know who took 
it? 

1470
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:22,520
He doesn't know to, like, 
worship them. 

1471
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:24,960
Like they. 
Yeah, I mean, it's possible. 

1472
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:26,240
It doesn't seem to fit quite as 
well. 

1473
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:28,200
Yeah. 
I think Crasser is as bad as we 

1474
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:29,440
think. 
This isn't some like, he has no 

1475
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:31,840
choice here. 
His sacrifices do seem to 

1476
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,200
actually keep the others away. 
It does work, as far as we can 

1477
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:35,600
tell. 
That doesn't mean it's good. 

1478
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:37,080
That doesn't mean it's the right
thing to do. 

1479
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:39,720
Obviously, he's made a deal with
the devil in a way that 

1480
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:41,480
maximizes the return for 
himself. 

1481
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:45,440
It's worse than slavery because 
he's giving away his own kin. 

1482
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:47,680
It's kinsling and slavery or 
just sacrifice. 

1483
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:49,080
It's either slavery or 
sacrifice. 

1484
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:50,680
He doesn't know what's being 
done with those children. 

1485
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:51,640
They're probably just being 
killed. 

1486
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:53,720
Some people think they're being 
turned into others. 

1487
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:56,880
I'm not so sure about that. 
But think about the age problem,

1488
01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:00,240
although that might be resolved 
by the length of time difference

1489
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,880
that we may have spoken to here.
Maybe this has been going on a 

1490
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:06,160
lot longer than we thought. 
Gilly and the other wives think 

1491
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:08,600
that they are the sons. 
They think the sons are new 

1492
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:11,320
others, but crash invited. 
I just told them that as a way 

1493
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:13,680
to like, get them to buy into 
this whole like get them not 

1494
01:08:14,290 --> 01:08:16,890
scream and cry and and try to 
kill him for giving away their 

1495
01:08:16,890 --> 01:08:19,569
sons. 
Like if they think it's oh, it's

1496
01:08:19,569 --> 01:08:22,450
I'm not the one doing it's the 
others that demand the sons. 

1497
01:08:22,490 --> 01:08:25,170
If he's convinced them all that 
this is true then they'll go 

1498
01:08:25,170 --> 01:08:27,210
along with it because like what 
choice do they have They'll die 

1499
01:08:27,210 --> 01:08:29,130
otherwise. 
But if not they might kill him 

1500
01:08:29,170 --> 01:08:31,330
they might like that might be 
the thing that finally pushes 

1501
01:08:31,330 --> 01:08:34,170
them like no, you're not taking 
my son. 

1502
01:08:34,210 --> 01:08:36,370
I mean this is moving Gilly to 
run away that's how. 

1503
01:08:36,609 --> 01:08:38,490
That's how like she's not as 
concerned for herself. 

1504
01:08:38,490 --> 01:08:42,760
She wants her son to survive and
Craster knows that. 

1505
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:46,800
That's probably the thing that 
understandably a woman or a man 

1506
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:48,279
too, we care most about is their
children. 

1507
01:08:48,279 --> 01:08:51,760
So he's found a way to blame it 
on a higher authority figure, 

1508
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:53,800
authority figure, when really 
it's just something that he's 

1509
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,880
doing because it works for him 
because he keeps the men away 

1510
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:57,920
from him. 
He doesn't have anyone to 

1511
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:02,600
compete with him for the rule of
his keep no young boy to stand 

1512
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:04,000
up for their mother. 
Saying I don't like how you 

1513
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:05,240
treating my mother. 
I'm going to fight you. 

1514
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:09,279
And that boy might be able to 
kill Craster if he's strong and 

1515
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:13,000
tough and Craster's getting old.
And yeah, Roger doesn't want any

1516
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:15,160
competition. 
Then he has to be tough and 

1517
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:17,479
strong if you do it in his sleep
for which? 

1518
01:09:18,399 --> 01:09:20,000
Absolutely. 
I remember, I've seen remember 

1519
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,120
there being a couple of the 
Nights watch wondering why that 

1520
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:22,880
hasn't happened. 
What? 

1521
01:09:25,359 --> 01:09:26,920
Was it answered prayer? 
Answer prayer. 

1522
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:28,520
I would name that Axe answer 
prayer. 

1523
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:30,240
In fact, we have that quote 
later in the episode. 

1524
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:37,520
He's basically arranged the 
sacrifice scenario to come out 

1525
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:39,319
ahead for himself. 
He's like, Yep, I'm getting rid 

1526
01:09:39,319 --> 01:09:42,620
of my sons that I didn't want 
anyway, getting protection, 

1527
01:09:43,060 --> 01:09:46,300
getting to do all the getting 
all this labor from these women 

1528
01:09:46,300 --> 01:09:49,420
and getting all the sex I want 
and making them do all my work. 

1529
01:09:49,420 --> 01:09:51,540
And I'm just sitting here 
drinking and hunting and 

1530
01:09:51,540 --> 01:09:54,180
whatever he else he does and 
that's the life he wants to 

1531
01:09:54,180 --> 01:09:57,380
live, it's it's bad. 
It's real bad. 

1532
01:09:57,780 --> 01:10:00,500
And it's quite a moral conundrum
for the Night's Watch. 

1533
01:10:01,860 --> 01:10:04,100
So his attitude towards bastard,
he comes out a few times. 

1534
01:10:04,100 --> 01:10:06,580
This is sort of tied into it all
when he meets John Hill. 

1535
01:10:06,580 --> 01:10:09,020
Pines that imagine marry a woman
before sleeping with her. 

1536
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:11,710
Yeah, even if they're five. 
Crafter. 

1537
01:10:11,710 --> 01:10:13,630
Even if they're your daughter. 
I mean, come on. 

1538
01:10:13,630 --> 01:10:17,230
Like, yes, we'll talk about the 
most tempted moral high ground. 

1539
01:10:19,070 --> 01:10:23,550
And of course, Crasher himself 
is the same as John, You know, 

1540
01:10:23,550 --> 01:10:25,590
he was born. 
He's a bastard as well. 

1541
01:10:26,350 --> 01:10:28,950
Nina calls this a obviously 
completely ridiculous assertion.

1542
01:10:29,430 --> 01:10:33,150
Crafter's part What agency do 
the women have in this scenario?

1543
01:10:33,150 --> 01:10:35,670
Like they can't say no to 
becoming his wives. 

1544
01:10:35,670 --> 01:10:39,890
They he abuses them too. 
I mean not just beyond the 

1545
01:10:39,890 --> 01:10:41,650
raping. 
He's abusing them in other ways 

1546
01:10:43,290 --> 01:10:46,690
and other free folk hate him and
they hate the Night's Watch. 

1547
01:10:46,690 --> 01:10:48,570
So they hate, like they hate 
both sides and they hate the 

1548
01:10:48,570 --> 01:10:52,290
fact that he's part crow and 
they hate the fact that he does 

1549
01:10:52,290 --> 01:10:56,290
all these other things, breaks 
all these taboos and and they 

1550
01:10:56,290 --> 01:10:59,530
kind of hate that he's protected
from the others because of how 

1551
01:10:59,530 --> 01:11:03,930
he does that and the Night's 
Watch will attack without his 

1552
01:11:03,930 --> 01:11:05,450
protection. 
So they are also some of them 

1553
01:11:05,450 --> 01:11:09,510
are also kind of like what do we
do about this How can any of 

1554
01:11:09,510 --> 01:11:12,790
them have a real choice in the 
matter though like his his wives

1555
01:11:12,870 --> 01:11:15,550
they just don't. 
So there's it's beyond hypocrisy

1556
01:11:16,630 --> 01:11:19,710
and I want Nina wonders if this 
is a way that he grew he grew up

1557
01:11:19,710 --> 01:11:21,550
believing this as a way to 
justify his existence. 

1558
01:11:21,550 --> 01:11:24,910
If he believed that his nice 
Watch father had rejected him 

1559
01:11:25,430 --> 01:11:28,230
then he might have decided that 
the Nights Watch prohibition on 

1560
01:11:28,230 --> 01:11:29,870
marriage and children was itself
evil. 

1561
01:11:29,870 --> 01:11:31,790
That's the bad part, is like, 
well, this is the problem. 

1562
01:11:31,790 --> 01:11:33,390
Like, you can't marry. 
Like the Nights Watch is these 

1563
01:11:33,390 --> 01:11:38,590
rules against marriage. 
And that was that affected his 

1564
01:11:38,930 --> 01:11:41,370
life path so much as a child 
because he was never, he was 

1565
01:11:41,370 --> 01:11:44,410
never going to have a father. 
And because of this weird law 

1566
01:11:44,410 --> 01:11:46,290
that they have, from his 
perspective, it's weird. 

1567
01:11:46,730 --> 01:11:48,330
That's why. 
So that's why he's so adamant 

1568
01:11:48,330 --> 01:11:51,450
about marriage, because it's 
kind of the opposite of what he 

1569
01:11:51,450 --> 01:11:54,250
was born into. 
It's also a form of generational

1570
01:11:54,250 --> 01:11:56,250
trauma. 
Crafter was abandoned by his own

1571
01:11:56,250 --> 01:11:58,690
father before he even knew him, 
and that's the fate of his sons 

1572
01:11:58,690 --> 01:12:01,930
as well, except for the they're 
not just abandoned or killed or 

1573
01:12:01,970 --> 01:12:04,970
converted into undead demon 
things. 

1574
01:12:04,970 --> 01:12:06,410
We're not actually not undead, 
George says. 

1575
01:12:06,410 --> 01:12:08,450
The others are not dead. 
So not, they're not undead. 

1576
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:12,360
They are some sort of spiritual 
evil demonic being or something.

1577
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:15,080
But they're not undead. 
They just make undead. 

1578
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:20,200
Thinking about the idea of why 
the women don't kill him, it 

1579
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:23,200
still doesn't take away from 
what he's doing, being evil and 

1580
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:26,720
disgusting and everything else. 
But maybe they know he's right. 

1581
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:29,760
Maybe they know if they kill him
that the others will come and 

1582
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:31,680
kill all of them too. 
Well, I don't think they would 

1583
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:32,800
know. 
I don't think they could 

1584
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:35,040
possibly know that they might 
fear at them. 

1585
01:12:36,130 --> 01:12:36,930
Right, right. 
They might. 

1586
01:12:37,570 --> 01:12:39,210
They know that for a fact, 
because nobody does. 

1587
01:12:39,490 --> 01:12:40,450
Yeah, I mean it's the same 
thing. 

1588
01:12:40,450 --> 01:12:43,690
Like what is belief like if they
feel like they feel strongly? 

1589
01:12:43,690 --> 01:12:47,330
They might believe it or not. 
They see him put the babies out.

1590
01:12:47,610 --> 01:12:50,090
They see this monster come take 
the baby. 

1591
01:12:50,450 --> 01:12:53,810
They think, well, if we don't 
put the baby out, the monster's 

1592
01:12:53,810 --> 01:12:56,450
going to get us. 
And we need a man to make 

1593
01:12:56,450 --> 01:12:58,370
babies. 
He's the only man. 

1594
01:12:58,370 --> 01:13:00,410
Like, you know, maybe they feel 
stuck. 

1595
01:13:00,830 --> 01:13:03,990
That's a good point. 
Never mind the gaslighting that 

1596
01:13:03,990 --> 01:13:06,670
they might face and the threat 
of violence and everything else.

1597
01:13:07,070 --> 01:13:10,390
But what if also their 
supernatural occurrence is 

1598
01:13:10,470 --> 01:13:14,110
making them afraid beyond Yeah. 
It's like all the women have to 

1599
01:13:14,110 --> 01:13:16,350
think like that. 
It's like a couple of women, 

1600
01:13:16,350 --> 01:13:18,670
especially like women who've 
been there a long time, who are 

1601
01:13:18,670 --> 01:13:21,750
like, in charge. 
If the older women are bought 

1602
01:13:21,750 --> 01:13:24,470
in, they're going to help craft 
or spread these lies to the 

1603
01:13:24,470 --> 01:13:25,790
younger women and they're all 
going to believe it. 

1604
01:13:25,790 --> 01:13:26,790
It's also free folk ethos. 
Okay. 

1605
01:13:26,790 --> 01:13:28,950
Let's look at this next line 
because it kind of fits in here,

1606
01:13:29,230 --> 01:13:31,650
but. 
This is our place. 

1607
01:13:31,810 --> 01:13:35,690
Crafter keeps us safe. 
Better to die free than live a 

1608
01:13:35,690 --> 01:13:38,250
slave. 
Of course they are slaves. 

1609
01:13:39,090 --> 01:13:40,930
They just don't realize that 
they think this is. 

1610
01:13:40,930 --> 01:13:43,650
They don't realize they're in. 
They've been lived in this so 

1611
01:13:43,650 --> 01:13:46,050
long they can't look at it from 
the outside and say okay no, you

1612
01:13:46,090 --> 01:13:47,930
are a slave. 
They think that the people in 

1613
01:13:47,930 --> 01:13:49,690
the Seven kingdoms live in 
slaves, but they're more. 

1614
01:13:49,690 --> 01:13:52,090
Most of them are more free than 
than crafters wives. 

1615
01:13:52,730 --> 01:13:57,250
They don't have the choices that
even a common born woman in the 

1616
01:13:57,250 --> 01:13:59,680
North would have. 
That is not a great life either.

1617
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:02,480
But those folk have more freedom
than these. 

1618
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:06,440
And especially because like 
maybe it's interesting kind of 

1619
01:14:06,440 --> 01:14:08,840
back and forth, like as a woman 
you're not going to get drafted 

1620
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:10,880
into the army. 
You might get drafted into 

1621
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:14,000
service for the Army, though, So
it's maybe, maybe that's not 

1622
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:15,360
much of A differentiator after 
all, you. 

1623
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:18,280
Might get drafted into service 
for a husband. 

1624
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:20,880
Yeah, yeah, true. 
Like a similar scenario like 

1625
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:23,680
this where it's just you. 
Are quote UN quote even a high 

1626
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:25,200
for a woman, Right? 
Yeah. 

1627
01:14:26,010 --> 01:14:28,170
Yeah, even a high born woman 
doesn't necessarily get to marry

1628
01:14:28,170 --> 01:14:30,930
the man she loves. 
She just gets stuck with whoever

1629
01:14:30,930 --> 01:14:32,610
she told. 
Yeah, it's a real crapshoot 

1630
01:14:32,610 --> 01:14:34,730
there. 
And what about being a slave 

1631
01:14:34,730 --> 01:14:35,850
when you're dead? 
Like a white? 

1632
01:14:35,850 --> 01:14:39,650
That's a kind of a recurring, 
like, meta consideration we 

1633
01:14:39,650 --> 01:14:41,290
have. 
Like, do they remember who they 

1634
01:14:41,290 --> 01:14:43,050
were? 
Do they have, like a concept of 

1635
01:14:43,050 --> 01:14:44,730
what's going on? 
Do they feel controlled? 

1636
01:14:45,970 --> 01:14:49,690
Either way, it's an undead army 
of of dead slaves. 

1637
01:14:50,610 --> 01:14:52,010
You can look at it that way for 
sure. 

1638
01:14:52,990 --> 01:14:55,230
I mean also says this quote is 
such a perfect encapsulation of 

1639
01:14:55,230 --> 01:14:57,110
Crasher as a character for 
several reasons. 

1640
01:14:57,270 --> 01:14:59,150
First of all, the women that 
crash to keep our slaves, As 

1641
01:14:59,150 --> 01:15:01,790
we've said, Crasher may not use 
that term, and he may not. 

1642
01:15:01,790 --> 01:15:03,510
He doesn't literally keep them 
enslaved, but they're just as 

1643
01:15:03,510 --> 01:15:05,150
stuck. 
They can't go anywhere. 

1644
01:15:05,150 --> 01:15:07,350
And it's they're they're 
mentally enslaved too because 

1645
01:15:07,350 --> 01:15:08,870
they believe that this is 
better. 

1646
01:15:08,870 --> 01:15:11,430
Like they've been tricked into 
thinking this is this is the way

1647
01:15:11,430 --> 01:15:13,550
it is. 
Now, In some ways some of the 

1648
01:15:13,990 --> 01:15:16,710
aspects are true, like it is 
tough to live beyond the Wall 

1649
01:15:16,710 --> 01:15:20,680
and having protections valuable.
But the stuff they've been told 

1650
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:23,840
about the of the Cold Gods is is
the heart of where a lot of 

1651
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:27,280
these lies are, as is the truth 
of what's on the other side of 

1652
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:29,000
the wall and how people live 
over there. 

1653
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:31,320
But these are things Craster can
lie about. 

1654
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:35,200
Knowing that there's almost no 
way anyone can set them 

1655
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:36,600
straight. 
Who's going to tell them what 

1656
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:38,400
life on the other side of the 
Wall is actually like? 

1657
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:40,960
Will They even believe it? 
Because it's being told to them 

1658
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:44,760
by Nights Watch? 
Who Craster has surely embedded 

1659
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:48,130
them with a distrust of the 
Nights Watch like most free folk

1660
01:15:48,130 --> 01:15:49,970
have. 
So it's not exactly a hard sell.

1661
01:15:51,810 --> 01:15:54,090
And the rest you had to start 
from birth. 

1662
01:15:54,610 --> 01:15:57,850
You teach someone from youth to 
believe these things, they're 

1663
01:15:57,850 --> 01:15:59,970
probably going to believe them. 
It's hard to break out of what 

1664
01:15:59,970 --> 01:16:01,890
you've been taught as a child, 
especially when there's no 

1665
01:16:01,890 --> 01:16:04,450
alternative viewpoints around to
even entertain in the 1st place.

1666
01:16:06,130 --> 01:16:08,250
So this safety is not really 
safety. 

1667
01:16:08,250 --> 01:16:11,690
It's like the the safety of a of
a cult, you know, where they 

1668
01:16:11,890 --> 01:16:15,970
demands everything of you and 
only prevents you from harm. 

1669
01:16:15,970 --> 01:16:17,930
But it's it expects everything 
else from you. 

1670
01:16:17,930 --> 01:16:19,450
It's kind of like the the Mary 
Matts door thing. 

1671
01:16:19,450 --> 01:16:22,730
Once over again, what is life 
when everything you know and 

1672
01:16:22,730 --> 01:16:25,330
love is gone? 
Like life is, You may still be 

1673
01:16:25,330 --> 01:16:28,690
alive. 
You have your safety but 

1674
01:16:28,850 --> 01:16:31,170
everything that made your life 
worth living is gone. 

1675
01:16:31,170 --> 01:16:33,890
And and worse than that you have
all these painful memories and 

1676
01:16:33,890 --> 01:16:36,090
trauma of what you used to have 
or what used to be good and and 

1677
01:16:36,330 --> 01:16:39,650
that's gone forever. 
So yeah, like this all comes 

1678
01:16:39,650 --> 01:16:43,740
back to that I think. 
By the way I didn't mention it's

1679
01:16:43,740 --> 01:16:45,220
not Speaking of Danny and these 
other things. 

1680
01:16:45,260 --> 01:16:48,700
That moment of finding the bones
in the white trees, Ash, it's 

1681
01:16:48,700 --> 01:16:51,220
very similar to those are no 
sheep's bones. 

1682
01:16:51,220 --> 01:16:54,420
Remember the same thing when 
when that woman brings the man 

1683
01:16:54,420 --> 01:16:57,900
brings the burn, burn bones of 
her his daughter that was killed

1684
01:16:57,900 --> 01:17:01,220
by Drogan, The embarrassment 
says those are no sheep's bones.

1685
01:17:01,820 --> 01:17:04,740
It's like both times it's like, 
no, that's a child. 

1686
01:17:04,740 --> 01:17:12,080
Yeah, different reasoning, but 
similar vibe and not to mention 

1687
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:16,320
the others themselves kind of 
make it in a sense that no, if 

1688
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:18,960
they're active, no one beyond 
the wall can truly be free. 

1689
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:21,800
If they're coming in the night 
and either attacking you or 

1690
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:25,880
demanding sacrifice or it's no 
different than like living under

1691
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:27,840
a mafia boss. 
Like your village is taken over 

1692
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:30,160
by the mafia and they demand and
expect all these things. 

1693
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:35,040
You have your protection, but 
like at any at any moment they 

1694
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:38,880
can on their whim, they can come
in and take things from you and 

1695
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:40,520
you have absolutely nothing to 
do about it. 

1696
01:17:41,110 --> 01:17:45,350
I mean the same is true for any 
authority to some extent, but 

1697
01:17:45,430 --> 01:17:49,110
that's why we in the real world 
hope that our authorities have 

1698
01:17:49,270 --> 01:17:52,270
checks and balances put on them.
You know they don't always, but 

1699
01:17:52,510 --> 01:17:54,390
that's why we do, that's why we 
want that. 

1700
01:17:54,710 --> 01:17:58,070
There's no check and balance 
against crafters lies and 

1701
01:17:58,110 --> 01:18:00,150
enslavement of these. 
That's the problem with living 

1702
01:18:00,350 --> 01:18:04,190
free is there's no like 
structure to. 

1703
01:18:05,710 --> 01:18:08,590
You make certain sacrifices in 
liberty for the sake of 

1704
01:18:08,590 --> 01:18:11,500
security, right? 
And that's hopefully what a good

1705
01:18:11,500 --> 01:18:13,100
government is balancing 
properly. 

1706
01:18:13,300 --> 01:18:16,780
But this is a sacrifice in 
liberty for not security. 

1707
01:18:16,900 --> 01:18:19,460
You're still not secure if your 
children have to be sacrificed, 

1708
01:18:19,500 --> 01:18:21,740
right? 
Yeah, the basic things we say 

1709
01:18:21,740 --> 01:18:23,540
right. 
Life, liberty, and the pursuit 

1710
01:18:23,540 --> 01:18:25,460
of happiness. 
Do they have any? 

1711
01:18:25,460 --> 01:18:27,620
They have life, but they don't 
have liberty or the pursuit of 

1712
01:18:27,620 --> 01:18:29,300
happiness. 
They have one of those things. 

1713
01:18:29,740 --> 01:18:32,580
Yeah, especially as a mother. 
Like having your knowing like 

1714
01:18:32,580 --> 01:18:35,580
okay 5050, this child that I'm 
pregnant with is going to be 

1715
01:18:35,660 --> 01:18:38,720
sacrificed. 
He's the other fifty, yeah, by 

1716
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:40,560
the way, Enslaved and raped. 
The other. 

1717
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:42,600
Yeah. 
And married, quote, UN quote 

1718
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:43,200
married. 
Yeah. 

1719
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:49,000
So it's a real mockery of good 
institutions, the way Craster 

1720
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:55,280
sort of spins them and has the 
enough isolation from society 

1721
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:58,280
for these lies to work. 
Like if you were, if there was a

1722
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:01,120
town square these women were 
visiting every day, they would 

1723
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:03,200
hear these other ideas and hear 
how other women were treated, 

1724
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:05,560
and they'd be like, actually, 
the world isn't the way, Crafter

1725
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:07,720
says. 
Which is why Crafter's always 

1726
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:10,600
like no one even talks to them. 
He doesn't even let that. 

1727
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:12,960
He doesn't want people. 
They can't chase them, but he 

1728
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:14,840
really doesn't want them to have
any contact at all. 

1729
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:16,040
He doesn't want them to even 
speak. 

1730
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:17,640
He doesn't want these, his lies 
undone. 

1731
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:19,800
He doesn't want alternative 
viewpoints being put into their 

1732
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:21,000
minds. 
None of that. 

1733
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:24,200
Knowledge is power. 
Knowledge is power and his His 

1734
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:27,660
power over them relies on their 
lack of knowledge. 

1735
01:19:28,340 --> 01:19:30,220
Yeah, without that it falls 
apart. 

1736
01:19:30,620 --> 01:19:33,140
Like, even to the idea of like, 
being a slave. 

1737
01:19:33,340 --> 01:19:35,740
They probably don't know what 
that means. 

1738
01:19:35,740 --> 01:19:38,180
They don't understand. 
It's it's like telling a child 

1739
01:19:38,180 --> 01:19:40,100
that you're going to burn in 
hell if you commit a sin. 

1740
01:19:40,100 --> 01:19:42,620
Like, what is hell? 
Like, they might know what burn 

1741
01:19:42,620 --> 01:19:44,780
means, but they just don't. 
It's just a bad thing. 

1742
01:19:44,940 --> 01:19:47,860
You just know it's a bad thing 
that you're supposed to avoid. 

1743
01:19:47,860 --> 01:19:49,500
So I won't commit a sin. 
Okay. 

1744
01:19:49,500 --> 01:19:51,980
What are the sins? 
Whatever you're told is the sin.

1745
01:19:52,180 --> 01:19:54,570
You just see what I'm saying. 
They're totally pretty 

1746
01:19:54,570 --> 01:19:56,090
arbitrary. 
And so the behavior that he 

1747
01:19:56,090 --> 01:19:59,490
wants, in a way he's kind of 
like Melisandre, or even more 

1748
01:19:59,490 --> 01:20:02,450
like Uron, someone who 
exaggerates and or distorts what

1749
01:20:02,450 --> 01:20:05,010
they know about the supernatural
for mysterious ends, shall we 

1750
01:20:05,010 --> 01:20:06,610
say. 
In the Uron's case, it's really 

1751
01:20:06,730 --> 01:20:09,130
a lot very even more similar 
because Melisandre is not 

1752
01:20:09,130 --> 01:20:11,730
looking for her own ends, 
specifically not that she 

1753
01:20:11,730 --> 01:20:14,050
thinks, but she is under a 
belief system and she is acting 

1754
01:20:14,690 --> 01:20:20,930
under based on God's she 
believes are harsh and demanding

1755
01:20:20,930 --> 01:20:24,730
and must be appeased or. 
The world ends or whatever. 

1756
01:20:24,770 --> 01:20:28,850
So it's similar kind of thing 
except she actually wants to 

1757
01:20:28,850 --> 01:20:30,290
save the world and things like 
that. 

1758
01:20:30,290 --> 01:20:31,610
Obviously there. 
But you can see the similarity. 

1759
01:20:31,610 --> 01:20:33,650
Obviously I'm not saying Craster
just like Melisandre, but you're

1760
01:20:33,650 --> 01:20:34,690
on. 
There's a lot more parallel 

1761
01:20:34,690 --> 01:20:38,090
because you're on is 
specifically trying to mislead 

1762
01:20:38,090 --> 01:20:41,210
people about the supernatural 
for just personal gain to 

1763
01:20:41,210 --> 01:20:43,170
advance his own ends. 
He's obviously is a lot more 

1764
01:20:43,170 --> 01:20:47,770
ambitious than Craster, but he's
also like misrepresenting the 

1765
01:20:47,770 --> 01:20:49,810
gods. 
Your Hunt very much does this. 

1766
01:20:50,250 --> 01:20:53,140
And creepy attitudes towards 
women. 

1767
01:20:53,140 --> 01:20:56,180
He's a rapper and a slaver and 
doesn't really have morals. 

1768
01:20:56,180 --> 01:20:58,260
And yeah, so yeah, Girl and 
Crastra have a lot in common. 

1769
01:20:59,020 --> 01:21:04,020
Even though Asandra, like 
sometimes she's deceitful, but 

1770
01:21:04,340 --> 01:21:08,740
when she's deceitful, she like, 
you know, starts to fly a fire 

1771
01:21:08,740 --> 01:21:10,380
with powder and it's not really 
magic. 

1772
01:21:10,660 --> 01:21:13,420
When Crass is deceitful, he 
murders a baby right? 

1773
01:21:13,620 --> 01:21:16,340
Like it needs to be fair. 
Melisandra wanted to burn babies

1774
01:21:16,380 --> 01:21:17,820
too. 
She wanted to burn Gendry and. 

1775
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:22,200
And even when she wanted to do 
that, she genuinely believes, 

1776
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:25,960
however crazy it may seem. 
But she thinks that she's saving

1777
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:29,480
the realm, or saving the 
soldiers, or saving the world, 

1778
01:21:29,480 --> 01:21:31,920
even she has. 
She's not trying to, like, 

1779
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:35,280
preserve her incestuous life, 
right? 

1780
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:37,360
She's doing something she 
believes for the greater She's 

1781
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:39,520
making sacrifices too, Even 
though the sacrifices she 

1782
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:41,720
demands might be dishonest, 
might be misleading. 

1783
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:44,040
She's not. 
She's kind of putting her money 

1784
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:46,680
where her mouth is. 
And she's demanding them from. 

1785
01:21:47,450 --> 01:21:50,770
People who aren't gas slips. 
Yeah, she Stannis isn't tricked 

1786
01:21:50,890 --> 01:21:52,970
into knowing what a child is or 
something. 

1787
01:21:53,250 --> 01:21:56,650
He understands what's at stake 
and what's being asked if she 

1788
01:21:56,650 --> 01:21:58,010
has misled him. 
Women don't. 

1789
01:21:58,010 --> 01:22:00,170
But you're right. 
But he has way more information.

1790
01:22:00,170 --> 01:22:03,890
Like, yeah, he's not half as 
naive as bachelor's wives 

1791
01:22:03,890 --> 01:22:06,710
because they he hasn't lived in 
a Hut, be on the wall all his 

1792
01:22:06,710 --> 01:22:08,390
life with no other people around
like. 

1793
01:22:08,430 --> 01:22:10,110
Yeah. 
Is that a judgment on the wives?

1794
01:22:10,110 --> 01:22:12,110
No, of course not. 
It's a judgment on Craster to 

1795
01:22:12,150 --> 01:22:13,150
make them. 
He is. 

1796
01:22:13,150 --> 01:22:14,510
Yeah, he's forced this ignorance
on. 

1797
01:22:14,630 --> 01:22:17,630
Yeah, I mean, it's hard to get a
great education, be on the wall 

1798
01:22:17,630 --> 01:22:19,590
anyway, but yeah, but he's made 
it even worse. 

1799
01:22:20,990 --> 01:22:23,470
So here's an interesting .1 of 
Craster's wives. 

1800
01:22:23,790 --> 01:22:26,430
Here's the story they're talking
about the whites, the castle, 

1801
01:22:26,430 --> 01:22:29,750
black Awthor and Jaffer flowers 
rising in the night and you 

1802
01:22:29,750 --> 01:22:32,430
know, Lord Commander's quarters 
getting burned and John getting 

1803
01:22:32,790 --> 01:22:34,030
long claws. 
His reward? 

1804
01:22:35,270 --> 01:22:37,390
That's interesting. 
They've seen the others, as far 

1805
01:22:37,390 --> 01:22:40,790
as we know, but she seems to she
reacts very strongly to hearing 

1806
01:22:40,790 --> 01:22:42,310
about the whites. 
So she seemed it's quite 

1807
01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:44,790
possible she's seen the others 
but not the whites, which is 

1808
01:22:46,430 --> 01:22:49,350
That's interesting. 
Alternately, Nina says maybe 

1809
01:22:49,350 --> 01:22:51,430
she's not so much shocked at the
idea of the whites exist as 

1810
01:22:51,430 --> 01:22:53,230
worried about the implications 
of that report. 

1811
01:22:53,310 --> 01:22:57,950
Like, wait, you're telling me 
the Others are acting? 

1812
01:22:58,440 --> 01:23:01,800
Operating, Raising the dead on 
the other side of the wall? 

1813
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:04,840
Infiltrating the Lord 
Commander's Tower at the Nights 

1814
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:06,320
Watch? 
You're telling me they've done 

1815
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:07,240
that? 
That's only going to make her 

1816
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:08,920
more scared of like, OK, yeah. 
Crashed. 

1817
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:09,840
We got. 
Yeah. 

1818
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:13,360
More sacrifice crap like that's 
that is alarming. 

1819
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:15,720
You hear that? 
The organization devoted to 

1820
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:19,920
fighting the Others, their 
Commander's Tower was assaulted 

1821
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:22,160
by the Others. 
Like the Wall. 

1822
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:24,000
I guess it's supposed to keep 
them out. 

1823
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:26,160
Like what went wrong? 
What does that even mean? 

1824
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:28,120
Oh, crap, like that's bad. 
It's. 

1825
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:31,280
Verification, like the little 
bit of knowledge that Crasher 

1826
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:35,120
has given them, That is true. 
That's the scariest thing they 

1827
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:37,120
now have verification for. 
Yeah, right. 

1828
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:39,520
And so it makes them believe 
everything else he says. 

1829
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:41,480
It makes the thing that that 
he's they're supposed to be 

1830
01:23:41,480 --> 01:23:43,240
scared of. 
They really are scared of it. 

1831
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:45,480
And yeah, yeah, it's bad. 
Like the logic, they they follow

1832
01:23:45,480 --> 01:23:47,400
the logical train here. 
They're like OK so the others 

1833
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:50,800
are already attacking Castle 
Black but they've continuously 

1834
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:53,240
they still have left Crasher's 
keep alone that's yeah. 

1835
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:55,240
Like you said that's going to 
make them think Craster tell him

1836
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:56,920
the truth like Yep. 
Or at least he's doing the the 

1837
01:23:57,360 --> 01:24:00,760
something that works to keep the
others at Bay or away because 

1838
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,920
they've bypassed Craster's key 
for some from a much tougher 

1839
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:05,960
southerly target. 
You know. 

1840
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:11,440
So John is skeptical at first 
that they've seen the others 

1841
01:24:11,440 --> 01:24:14,440
because Craster says he hasn't 
seen them claims to have not 

1842
01:24:14,440 --> 01:24:16,640
seen them which as we've said 
before is probably a lie. 

1843
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:19,400
And here's the result of that 
dialogue when John quizzes 

1844
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:22,570
Killing Quote. 
What color are their eyes? 

1845
01:24:22,570 --> 01:24:26,130
He asked her. 
Blue, as bright as blue stars 

1846
01:24:26,210 --> 01:24:29,570
and as cold. 
She has seen them, he thought. 

1847
01:24:30,050 --> 01:24:35,330
Presser lied, very, very much 
wondering what context she saw 

1848
01:24:35,330 --> 01:24:37,050
them. 
Did she witness them collect a 

1849
01:24:37,050 --> 01:24:39,330
sacrifice? 
Did she like the pointing thing 

1850
01:24:39,330 --> 01:24:41,970
that Sean talking about? 
Anything remotely like that 

1851
01:24:41,970 --> 01:24:43,410
happened. 
Some rudimentary attempted 

1852
01:24:43,410 --> 01:24:45,330
communication. 
Were they on foot? 

1853
01:24:45,890 --> 01:24:48,170
Were they riding horses? 
Ice spiders? 

1854
01:24:48,170 --> 01:24:52,040
Some other animal, were they? 
I mean, if Gilly had seen them, 

1855
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:54,920
Gilly's like the one of the 
youngest, if not the youngest of

1856
01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:57,120
the wives. 
So that means the others have 

1857
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:58,720
two. 
The others have seen the others 

1858
01:24:58,720 --> 01:24:59,040
too. 
Yeah. 

1859
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:02,080
See, the show changed the name 
others because it gets a little 

1860
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:04,280
confusing in discussion. 
When you're reading it, it's not

1861
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:05,800
confusing at all because it's 
always capitalized. 

1862
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:07,560
But I kind of see why they did 
that. 

1863
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:10,680
Every time we talk about it, 
it's like, yeah, I get it. 

1864
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:14,630
I get it. 
I still think it's possible that

1865
01:25:14,630 --> 01:25:17,110
Gilly hasn't seen them, that she
was just told that their eyes 

1866
01:25:17,110 --> 01:25:19,510
are blue. 
But still someone else had to 

1867
01:25:19,510 --> 01:25:20,990
see them to know that their eyes
are blue. 

1868
01:25:21,270 --> 01:25:23,510
So, so maybe that is the groomer
about them. 

1869
01:25:23,510 --> 01:25:26,030
But but John has seen them or 
seen the the whites. 

1870
01:25:26,030 --> 01:25:28,470
He hasn't seen the others. 
Well, he hadn't at that point. 

1871
01:25:29,550 --> 01:25:32,350
This is before the 5th of the 
first man, all that works out 

1872
01:25:32,350 --> 01:25:33,870
differently. 
So I agree with you. 

1873
01:25:33,870 --> 01:25:36,150
It's absolutely possible that 
she's just repeating what she's 

1874
01:25:36,150 --> 01:25:37,950
been told and it happens to be 
correct. 

1875
01:25:37,950 --> 01:25:42,410
So the story passes muster 
another interesting thing to 

1876
01:25:42,410 --> 01:25:43,530
remember though, they don't 
leave footprints. 

1877
01:25:44,210 --> 01:25:46,490
So it's not like that that was 
them. 

1878
01:25:46,490 --> 01:25:48,210
Like it's not like crashing 
points of footprints. 

1879
01:25:48,210 --> 01:25:49,770
Say that was them that came and 
and lie. 

1880
01:25:49,770 --> 01:25:51,810
Although he could just pretend 
and say that was them and it was

1881
01:25:51,810 --> 01:25:54,690
just some other footprints. 
But if they've seen them face to

1882
01:25:54,690 --> 01:25:56,970
face, then you don't need to 
tell any stories like well there

1883
01:25:56,970 --> 01:25:59,770
you go, they've seen them. 
That's that's all the scaring I 

1884
01:25:59,770 --> 01:26:03,370
need to do. 
Now I just take that fear and 

1885
01:26:03,370 --> 01:26:06,130
and manipulate it for my own 
ends look. 

1886
01:26:06,290 --> 01:26:09,290
He might even make sure they see
him right, like to make sure he 

1887
01:26:09,330 --> 01:26:10,990
wants to keep. 
And it, yeah. 

1888
01:26:11,230 --> 01:26:12,950
And it. 
And again, it adds to why they 

1889
01:26:12,950 --> 01:26:15,750
don't move against him. 
He he needs to make them believe

1890
01:26:15,750 --> 01:26:17,990
that this is for some. 
I'm the only thing standing in 

1891
01:26:17,990 --> 01:26:21,470
between you and them. 
Yeah, that's it's fear works, 

1892
01:26:21,470 --> 01:26:22,670
man. 
It really does work. 

1893
01:26:22,790 --> 01:26:24,270
And then let's remind ourselves 
of what they look like. 

1894
01:26:24,270 --> 01:26:26,310
Here's another time where you 
really got to put the show out 

1895
01:26:26,310 --> 01:26:28,310
of your mind. 
This is what George said about 

1896
01:26:28,310 --> 01:26:28,950
them. 
Strange. 

1897
01:26:29,230 --> 01:26:30,070
Beautiful. 
Think. 

1898
01:26:30,070 --> 01:26:32,710
Oh, the the she made of ice. 
Something like that. 

1899
01:26:32,710 --> 01:26:34,070
A different sort of life. 
Inhuman. 

1900
01:26:34,070 --> 01:26:37,230
Elegant. 
Dangerous To be fair, George has

1901
01:26:37,230 --> 01:26:39,710
struggled to describe them when 
he's described them to artists. 

1902
01:26:39,710 --> 01:26:42,950
We've we've read the takes of 
artists who have described the 

1903
01:26:42,950 --> 01:26:47,350
others in detail, and a lot of 
them are like, George is good at

1904
01:26:47,350 --> 01:26:50,510
describing what they aren't, but
he's not as good as telling what

1905
01:26:50,510 --> 01:26:54,030
they are. 
Yeah, it's been a real struggle 

1906
01:26:54,030 --> 01:26:55,870
for authors. 
Like a lot of the authors, I 

1907
01:26:55,870 --> 01:26:57,110
mean, artists, renditions of 
them. 

1908
01:26:57,110 --> 01:26:59,910
I'm like, they look awesome, but
I'm like, I'm not sure that's 

1909
01:26:59,910 --> 01:27:03,030
right. 
I don't know that they have hair

1910
01:27:03,150 --> 01:27:04,830
and they're very often portrayed
as having hair. 

1911
01:27:04,830 --> 01:27:07,470
I'm not sure that they do, but 
they're just made. 

1912
01:27:07,470 --> 01:27:09,190
They're kind of human likes, but
inhuman. 

1913
01:27:09,190 --> 01:27:10,710
But human the. 
Only thing I've seen designs to 

1914
01:27:10,710 --> 01:27:14,030
make them like, their hair is 
kind of like white flame, you 

1915
01:27:14,030 --> 01:27:15,710
know what I mean? 
Have you seen that like art, 

1916
01:27:15,710 --> 01:27:18,670
like that or like it looks kind 
of like a human would see it as 

1917
01:27:18,670 --> 01:27:21,510
hair, but it's not hair. 
It's absolutely not actually 

1918
01:27:21,510 --> 01:27:22,630
hair. 
Just like has the like 

1919
01:27:22,630 --> 01:27:25,230
appearance almost of hair. 
But it is a difference. 

1920
01:27:25,350 --> 01:27:26,870
I don't know. 
I've seen things like that. 

1921
01:27:26,950 --> 01:27:29,150
I can see that that's. 
And that's why different artist 

1922
01:27:29,150 --> 01:27:31,150
interpretations, like they just 
got to do something. 

1923
01:27:31,150 --> 01:27:33,230
They got to think of something 
cool and be imaginative with it.

1924
01:27:33,230 --> 01:27:34,710
And I'm like that. 
That's cool, that's cool. 

1925
01:27:34,710 --> 01:27:35,430
I like that. 
I like that. 

1926
01:27:35,430 --> 01:27:38,170
But they're all kind of 
guessing, you know, George is 

1927
01:27:38,170 --> 01:27:40,610
going to have to narrow it down 
a little more when when they're 

1928
01:27:40,610 --> 01:27:42,890
they're on screen a little more,
you know, more prominent people.

1929
01:27:42,890 --> 01:27:44,890
I tried to Google seed. 
Hey, I don't know if I'm saying 

1930
01:27:44,890 --> 01:27:48,810
that word right, but it's like 
she oh, I even know that I I 

1931
01:27:48,810 --> 01:27:51,250
learned that's like an Irish 
phonetic, Irish Scottish. 

1932
01:27:51,570 --> 01:27:56,290
That's followed by a vow of SH. 
But anyway, yeah, that in itself

1933
01:27:56,290 --> 01:27:59,250
is just this huge diversity. 
It's hard to really get anything

1934
01:27:59,250 --> 01:28:00,010
from that. 
It's. 

1935
01:28:00,630 --> 01:28:02,310
Sort of like an elf. 
But think of how many different 

1936
01:28:02,310 --> 01:28:05,150
ways elves have been presented. 
You know, the the Fay is a huge 

1937
01:28:05,150 --> 01:28:07,390
category, all the different, 
very fairy like beings. 

1938
01:28:07,390 --> 01:28:08,910
And the different versions of 
them, Yeah, there's so many 

1939
01:28:08,910 --> 01:28:10,390
different versions of it, you're
right. 

1940
01:28:10,510 --> 01:28:13,670
Like some of them are like tall 
and big and broad shoulder 

1941
01:28:13,670 --> 01:28:16,630
barrel chest and muscular with 
like goat legs and some of them 

1942
01:28:16,630 --> 01:28:19,230
are like skinny and tiny little 
fairies on a flower. 

1943
01:28:19,230 --> 01:28:20,470
Like, that's the range. 
You know. 

1944
01:28:20,470 --> 01:28:22,590
Like it's it's hard to really 
get too much on it. 

1945
01:28:22,710 --> 01:28:23,870
Giant range. 
You're right. 

1946
01:28:24,150 --> 01:28:26,270
And but a lot of versions of she
steal children. 

1947
01:28:26,770 --> 01:28:28,570
So that is part of where George 
is coming from with that. 

1948
01:28:28,570 --> 01:28:30,450
I think that's that's the. 
Lord, at least, But not the 

1949
01:28:30,450 --> 01:28:33,570
look, Not yes, the Lord, but not
the look absolutely, he says. 

1950
01:28:33,570 --> 01:28:35,490
The others are certainly taking 
a good amount of inspiration 

1951
01:28:35,490 --> 01:28:37,770
from tropes of evil fairies. 
Evil fairies, not just good 

1952
01:28:37,770 --> 01:28:39,010
ones, right? 
More so. 

1953
01:28:39,290 --> 01:28:41,810
They are inherently inhuman, and
they can't be effectively 

1954
01:28:41,810 --> 01:28:44,530
negotiated with by humans or 
live on even terms of humans. 

1955
01:28:44,890 --> 01:28:47,130
You can leave out offerings for 
fairies, you can avoid fairy 

1956
01:28:47,130 --> 01:28:49,530
places, you can make all the 
right defenses you want. 

1957
01:28:49,690 --> 01:28:52,450
But sometimes evil fairies just 
mess with you because that's 

1958
01:28:52,450 --> 01:28:56,670
what they do, and these are more
powerful than the regular evil 

1959
01:28:56,670 --> 01:28:58,190
fears. 
These are more God like, even 

1960
01:28:58,390 --> 01:29:01,350
though they're not gods, I don't
think Grasser calls them that 

1961
01:29:01,510 --> 01:29:05,070
because it's semantics, 
something that's that much more 

1962
01:29:05,070 --> 01:29:07,430
powerful than you. 
Like are we gods to ants? 

1963
01:29:10,510 --> 01:29:12,870
It is a way that he can get away
with quote, UN quote lines. 

1964
01:29:12,870 --> 01:29:15,070
Yes, that's true. 
Exaggerating the power makes him

1965
01:29:15,070 --> 01:29:18,510
seem more important, you know. 
Or or using a different word, 

1966
01:29:18,710 --> 01:29:21,070
right. 
Just using a different word and 

1967
01:29:21,070 --> 01:29:23,470
and he really believes it or 
gets the people around him to 

1968
01:29:23,470 --> 01:29:24,990
believe it, but it's really a 
different thing. 

1969
01:29:24,990 --> 01:29:27,950
He's just using a different word
than what most people think. 

1970
01:29:28,390 --> 01:29:31,030
That's crossed my mind too with 
the Vengeance Stark that he 

1971
01:29:31,030 --> 01:29:36,270
might have seen a white version 
of Benjin, but he he can 

1972
01:29:36,270 --> 01:29:37,990
honestly say no. 
I didn't see him because that's 

1973
01:29:37,990 --> 01:29:39,950
not really Benjin, that's a 
white, but that would have been 

1974
01:29:39,950 --> 01:29:41,950
good information for the white 
Knights Watch but. 

1975
01:29:42,430 --> 01:29:44,990
It's not information they want 
to hear or whatever. 

1976
01:29:45,070 --> 01:29:48,070
Maybe the others don't want him 
to tell or something, but it's a

1977
01:29:48,070 --> 01:29:51,950
way he might have seen him be 
dead white or otherwise might 

1978
01:29:51,950 --> 01:29:54,630
have seen his dead body. 
That's not him anymore, you 

1979
01:29:54,710 --> 01:29:55,630
know. 
I haven't seen him in three 

1980
01:29:55,630 --> 01:29:58,390
years. 
Yeah like going back to your 

1981
01:29:58,510 --> 01:30:01,110
your point about not checking in
with crafters, there another I 

1982
01:30:01,110 --> 01:30:03,270
just I did think of another 
reason that maybe they got a 

1983
01:30:03,270 --> 01:30:07,110
lead on where he might where to 
where to check before they got 

1984
01:30:07,110 --> 01:30:09,510
to crafters and followed that 
lead which took them a different

1985
01:30:09,510 --> 01:30:12,960
direction. 
Still I don't believe that he 

1986
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:14,960
hasn't seen hasn't seen Benji in
three years. 

1987
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:17,240
That's just Benji would have 
passed that way many times. 

1988
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:21,600
Yeah, even your angle, which 
supports my proposition, I can 

1989
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:23,720
counter that too. 
When they double check with 

1990
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:26,200
Christ, there's still a check 
once they random leave because 

1991
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:28,360
once that that led to a dead 
end, they would be like okay, 

1992
01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:30,600
well that didn't pay off. 
We got to yeah. 

1993
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:33,680
Or or even if it was a crack, 
even if they got a leave from 

1994
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:36,760
somewhere else of where Mance 
was and it was true and correct.

1995
01:30:37,180 --> 01:30:39,460
It's a long freaking way away. 
How long are they going to 

1996
01:30:39,460 --> 01:30:41,460
travel there without some 
verification, right? 

1997
01:30:41,620 --> 01:30:43,980
It's it's literally a life 
risking journey. 

1998
01:30:44,700 --> 01:30:46,580
Maybe we get crashed or to back 
it up, you know. 

1999
01:30:47,100 --> 01:30:50,140
So jumping far ahead, it's just 
something I think about as as 

2000
01:30:50,140 --> 01:30:53,700
like a later topic or something 
that hopefully will happen. 

2001
01:30:54,180 --> 01:30:56,380
Sam needs to write down what 
he's seen. 

2002
01:30:56,380 --> 01:30:58,420
He's that's a set it all. 
He needs to put that stuff down 

2003
01:30:58,420 --> 01:31:01,020
for posterity. 
But Gilly, like they don't know 

2004
01:31:01,020 --> 01:31:04,260
what a treasure they have. 
With Gilly there in Old Town, 

2005
01:31:04,500 --> 01:31:08,310
she has seen some stuff more 
than Sam has for sure. 

2006
01:31:08,870 --> 01:31:11,630
Everything Sam has seen, she has
seen because she was there with 

2007
01:31:11,630 --> 01:31:15,270
him when they bought small Paul 
and the Ravens were there and 

2008
01:31:15,270 --> 01:31:17,950
cold hands came like she was 
there for all that and she was 

2009
01:31:17,950 --> 01:31:18,430
there. 
Grass. 

2010
01:31:18,430 --> 01:31:20,950
There's her whole life before 
that for whatever else was 

2011
01:31:21,150 --> 01:31:25,830
whatever else went down she 
could spill some tea all and 

2012
01:31:25,830 --> 01:31:27,630
that that belongs in the history
book. 

2013
01:31:27,630 --> 01:31:30,350
So definitely hope that happens 
something like that. 

2014
01:31:31,350 --> 01:31:32,590
But that's that's dreaming 
ahead. 

2015
01:31:32,590 --> 01:31:34,670
Let's stick with more in the in 
the present. 

2016
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:37,720
Another piece of evidence comes 
from the last line in the 

2017
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:40,440
chapter where the mutiny occurs.
So that's a storm of sorts. 

2018
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:45,440
Here's Gilly talking to Sam. 
If you don't take him, they 

2019
01:31:45,440 --> 01:31:47,360
will. 
They said. 

2020
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:50,360
Sam and the Raven cocked its 
blackhead and echoed. 

2021
01:31:50,680 --> 01:31:51,840
They, they. 
They. 

2022
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:57,080
The boys brothers, said The old 
woman on the left, Craster's 

2023
01:31:57,080 --> 01:32:00,280
sons. 
The white colds rising out there

2024
01:32:00,360 --> 01:32:03,040
crow. 
I can feel it in my bones. 

2025
01:32:03,610 --> 01:32:07,530
These poor old bones don't lie. 
They'll be here soon. 

2026
01:32:07,770 --> 01:32:09,650
The Suns, that's what I was 
saying. 

2027
01:32:09,650 --> 01:32:11,970
Like they know how to tell the 
difference between the cult 

2028
01:32:11,970 --> 01:32:14,090
types of cold. 
And they kind of have a sense of

2029
01:32:14,090 --> 01:32:16,490
these, how often it's like it's 
been a while since they've come.

2030
01:32:16,490 --> 01:32:18,610
It's about time they show up 
again and demand another 

2031
01:32:18,610 --> 01:32:20,210
sacrifice. 
Like they have a sense of this 

2032
01:32:20,210 --> 01:32:25,570
frequency. 
And yeah, the Daughters became 

2033
01:32:25,570 --> 01:32:27,370
crashers otherwise, And 
according to her, they become 

2034
01:32:27,370 --> 01:32:28,890
the others themselves. 
The the sun. 

2035
01:32:28,890 --> 01:32:32,290
So now here's a there's a 
perception in the in the fan. 

2036
01:32:32,290 --> 01:32:33,850
This is another thing the show 
has done. 

2037
01:32:33,850 --> 01:32:35,370
That's the throwing things off a
little bit. 

2038
01:32:35,850 --> 01:32:37,890
Every other appeared to be male 
in the show. 

2039
01:32:37,890 --> 01:32:39,970
There is no evidence that's the 
case in the books. 

2040
01:32:39,970 --> 01:32:42,890
None whatsoever. 
Except maybe this helps fuel 

2041
01:32:42,890 --> 01:32:45,530
that belief, this thing that's 
crashed giving his sons away. 

2042
01:32:45,690 --> 01:32:48,330
But I personally don't think the
others are turning his sons into

2043
01:32:48,370 --> 01:32:50,570
new others. 
It's absolutely possible. 

2044
01:32:50,570 --> 01:32:53,010
I think there's a decent chance 
of it, but I think it's just 

2045
01:32:53,210 --> 01:32:55,170
regular old death. 
They're sack, they like young 

2046
01:32:55,170 --> 01:32:57,090
life. 
They consume it somehow and 

2047
01:32:57,090 --> 01:32:58,870
that's it. 
Yeah, I mean, like, yeah, it 

2048
01:32:58,870 --> 01:33:00,790
makes you wonder, like, how many
would there be? 

2049
01:33:00,790 --> 01:33:02,430
Like, there's a lot of 
logistical questions about the 

2050
01:33:02,430 --> 01:33:08,470
act of turning a baby into an 
adult other. 

2051
01:33:08,470 --> 01:33:10,830
And like, can they do that? 
I mean, they had to make new 

2052
01:33:10,830 --> 01:33:12,550
others somehow. 
I don't know if they know how to

2053
01:33:12,550 --> 01:33:13,750
make that. 
Maybe the children made new 

2054
01:33:13,750 --> 01:33:15,110
others. 
And the others can reproduce 

2055
01:33:15,110 --> 01:33:16,790
themselves. 
They have to know how to make 

2056
01:33:17,070 --> 01:33:19,870
new others still. 
Like could there have been an X 

2057
01:33:19,870 --> 01:33:21,470
number? 
Let's say there were two hundred

2058
01:33:21,470 --> 01:33:25,350
others created way back when. 
And now they're down to 20 and 

2059
01:33:25,350 --> 01:33:27,470
they're not making new others. 
Like, do we know, I don't know 

2060
01:33:27,470 --> 01:33:29,950
that we think they have to know 
how to make new others and they 

2061
01:33:29,990 --> 01:33:32,270
have lost the way to procreate. 
Yeah, I think they could just 

2062
01:33:32,270 --> 01:33:33,830
have. 
They could have been created and

2063
01:33:33,830 --> 01:33:36,750
never been able to procreate. 
And this is just they're all 

2064
01:33:36,750 --> 01:33:39,230
there on their last leg. 
The last, the last few. 

2065
01:33:39,270 --> 01:33:41,030
Even. 
That's possible. 

2066
01:33:41,030 --> 01:33:42,350
It's entirely possible they 
might be. 

2067
01:33:42,350 --> 01:33:44,510
It's an interesting thing. 
Maybe they're searching for ways

2068
01:33:44,510 --> 01:33:46,550
to procreate. 
Yeah, maybe they don't know how,

2069
01:33:46,590 --> 01:33:48,430
and they're trying. 
They're trying to re unearth 

2070
01:33:48,430 --> 01:33:51,140
lost lore on how to propagate 
their species. 

2071
01:33:51,780 --> 01:33:54,180
That would be very interesting, 
having just returned from 

2072
01:33:54,180 --> 01:33:56,980
wherever after so long. 
They don't know what their 

2073
01:33:57,260 --> 01:33:58,700
compadres do thousands of years 
ago. 

2074
01:33:59,260 --> 01:34:01,300
Baby Crash is a genius and he's 
saving the world. 

2075
01:34:01,660 --> 01:34:04,180
I had thought a second ago. 
Listen when you when you said a 

2076
01:34:04,180 --> 01:34:07,460
second ago that there's no real 
evidence that there are only 

2077
01:34:07,460 --> 01:34:11,060
male others, that there's no 
evidence that they're even male,

2078
01:34:11,140 --> 01:34:13,260
right? 
They might be genderless, they 

2079
01:34:13,300 --> 01:34:16,810
might be 100% and so. 
Given that, if they're 

2080
01:34:16,810 --> 01:34:20,330
researching how to procreate and
Crestor only gives them males, 

2081
01:34:20,330 --> 01:34:26,050
so they'll never figure out how 
it works if I give them, you 

2082
01:34:26,050 --> 01:34:29,130
want a. 
Baby, I'm yeah, I'm misleading 

2083
01:34:29,130 --> 01:34:29,530
them. 
Y'all. 

2084
01:34:29,530 --> 01:34:30,770
I'm dumb. 
The good guy here. 

2085
01:34:30,770 --> 01:34:33,130
I totally tricked them into No, 
it's interesting. 

2086
01:34:33,130 --> 01:34:34,410
You're right. 
I I have that in the notes here 

2087
01:34:34,410 --> 01:34:35,690
too. 
Like, there's no reason to think

2088
01:34:35,690 --> 01:34:37,850
they have any. 
Like if you're designing, if 

2089
01:34:37,850 --> 01:34:42,490
you're building a robot for the 
purpose of stacking boxes, you 

2090
01:34:42,490 --> 01:34:45,270
don't assign it a gender like 
it's not. 

2091
01:34:45,270 --> 01:34:46,670
It's not relevant to its 
existence. 

2092
01:34:46,670 --> 01:34:48,830
Yeah, You don't make it so that 
it can procreate and have babies

2093
01:34:48,910 --> 01:34:50,110
either. 
So the same thing with the 

2094
01:34:50,110 --> 01:34:52,390
others, like why would they even
have, I mean, I'm not saying 

2095
01:34:52,390 --> 01:34:54,390
they don't because there's you 
might because they might be, 

2096
01:34:54,510 --> 01:34:57,150
they might be converted people, 
they might be ex humans. 

2097
01:34:57,150 --> 01:34:59,710
So they would maybe maintain the
gender they had when they were 

2098
01:34:59,950 --> 01:35:01,750
transformed. 
They might not have gender 

2099
01:35:01,750 --> 01:35:04,150
either, but they might still 
have what is effectively a 

2100
01:35:04,150 --> 01:35:07,070
gender identity for other things
too, like they might take on 

2101
01:35:07,070 --> 01:35:09,950
certain roles in their cultures.
There's a split between them and

2102
01:35:09,950 --> 01:35:13,550
it's like not what a human male,
female. 

2103
01:35:13,890 --> 01:35:16,770
Sex difference would be, but 
they could still have Like these

2104
01:35:16,770 --> 01:35:20,970
others are the warrior class and
these others are the you know, 

2105
01:35:20,970 --> 01:35:24,650
the ones we saw kill Waymar are 
like the Rangers of the. 

2106
01:35:25,090 --> 01:35:27,450
Yeah, and that could be 
effectively split on like 

2107
01:35:27,530 --> 01:35:29,810
culturally in other ways. 
It's it doesn't have to just be 

2108
01:35:29,810 --> 01:35:32,010
the same human dichotomy. 
Agree. 

2109
01:35:32,250 --> 01:35:33,890
Totally agree. 
There's no reason to assume 

2110
01:35:33,890 --> 01:35:35,370
human dichotomy here. 
The show and like I said, the 

2111
01:35:35,370 --> 01:35:37,690
show really threw it off because
they portrayed every child of 

2112
01:35:37,690 --> 01:35:41,250
the forest is female and every 
other is male, which is like, 

2113
01:35:42,380 --> 01:35:44,780
it's possible George told them 
they were all male, but there's 

2114
01:35:44,780 --> 01:35:46,540
no. 
But I really doubt that because 

2115
01:35:46,540 --> 01:35:48,540
there's no way he told them all 
the children in the forest were 

2116
01:35:48,540 --> 01:35:51,900
female because that's explicitly
not, we've seen male children in

2117
01:35:51,900 --> 01:35:54,740
the forest. 
So that part's not true. 

2118
01:35:54,740 --> 01:35:56,740
So I kind of doubt this whole 
thing from the show. 

2119
01:35:56,740 --> 01:35:57,820
I think we can kind of just toss
it. 

2120
01:35:58,740 --> 01:35:59,900
Yeah. 
And how would you be able to 

2121
01:35:59,900 --> 01:36:02,260
tell, like, even if they do have
gender, like, how do you 

2122
01:36:02,260 --> 01:36:06,540
identify the, the, the gender of
a fairy species? 

2123
01:36:06,540 --> 01:36:09,700
Like, like, it's not the same. 
You don't look for the same 

2124
01:36:09,700 --> 01:36:11,660
things. 
Like, do you have? 

2125
01:36:12,290 --> 01:36:14,730
It's like the Barbie movie. 
Like no, we don't have, we have 

2126
01:36:14,730 --> 01:36:18,450
parts. 
You can't say there's nothing 

2127
01:36:18,450 --> 01:36:19,290
down there. 
Y'all. 

2128
01:36:20,850 --> 01:36:23,050
They're just, they're all Kens. 
Yeah, the others are Kens. 

2129
01:36:25,050 --> 01:36:27,290
Notice how all meta this is not 
the Barbie stuff. 

2130
01:36:27,290 --> 01:36:31,250
I mean, they're just like Lords 
great and small, coming around 

2131
01:36:31,250 --> 01:36:33,090
and taking all the boys to go 
off to war. 

2132
01:36:33,810 --> 01:36:37,090
And sometimes they come back 
with their they're changed, like

2133
01:36:37,090 --> 01:36:39,770
they're traumatized and they're 
no longer that sweet boy you 

2134
01:36:39,770 --> 01:36:42,190
knew. 
There's some hardened killer 

2135
01:36:42,710 --> 01:36:44,710
that's seen some shit and been 
through some shit. 

2136
01:36:45,710 --> 01:36:47,750
It's very similar. 
I mean, George is George is a 

2137
01:36:47,750 --> 01:36:49,150
lot. 
George says he's not writing an 

2138
01:36:49,150 --> 01:36:51,310
antiwar novel, but there's a lot
of antiwar stuff in there. 

2139
01:36:51,310 --> 01:36:54,150
You could the themes are there. 
He shows that how destructive it

2140
01:36:54,150 --> 01:36:56,350
is and how the cycle of violence
plays out. 

2141
01:36:56,350 --> 01:36:58,790
It's true even in this 
supernatural setting or or 

2142
01:36:58,790 --> 01:37:01,070
viewpoint. 
If you give them sons for their 

2143
01:37:01,070 --> 01:37:03,350
armies, they will be appeased. 
Or so says Crafts. 

2144
01:37:04,550 --> 01:37:06,030
Maybe it only takes animals, 
maybe. 

2145
01:37:06,070 --> 01:37:08,030
Maybe sheep are enough. 
Maybe they have to be male 

2146
01:37:08,030 --> 01:37:08,510
sheep. 
Aha. 

2147
01:37:10,180 --> 01:37:12,220
But of course you do have a 
chance of returning from war, I 

2148
01:37:12,220 --> 01:37:14,220
guess. 
But as I said, often you're a 

2149
01:37:14,220 --> 01:37:15,420
very different person 
afterwards. 

2150
01:37:15,780 --> 01:37:17,820
But this no, no chance at all of
returning. 

2151
01:37:17,820 --> 01:37:21,340
Like if you give your son, your 
baby child, to the others, 

2152
01:37:21,340 --> 01:37:23,020
there's no coming back from that
at all. 

2153
01:37:23,020 --> 01:37:24,660
There is no even, not even a 
little bit. 

2154
01:37:24,740 --> 01:37:27,540
And unless you come back as 
another, which is still even 

2155
01:37:27,540 --> 01:37:32,140
more changed than the 
traumatized war veteran Nina 

2156
01:37:32,140 --> 01:37:34,340
says there's a certain level of 
rights that W rossy smallfolk 

2157
01:37:34,340 --> 01:37:37,900
have or are supposed to have 
given the system. 

2158
01:37:37,900 --> 01:37:39,660
You know, it doesn't always work
out that way. 

2159
01:37:40,030 --> 01:37:42,870
Yes, Westerosi feudalism is a 
deeply unfair and classist 

2160
01:37:42,870 --> 01:37:46,390
system, but the basic formula is
that in return for the taxes and

2161
01:37:46,390 --> 01:37:49,830
services provided by the small 
folk, the aristocratic class 

2162
01:37:49,830 --> 01:37:51,670
will protect the small folk in 
times of danger. 

2163
01:37:52,030 --> 01:37:54,110
Obviously this does not always 
work out in practice, but it's 

2164
01:37:54,110 --> 01:37:56,670
also not the case at all. 
Westerosi aristocrats are simply

2165
01:37:56,670 --> 01:37:58,910
hard hearted villains who treat 
the peasantry as their personal 

2166
01:37:58,910 --> 01:38:00,270
property. 
It's usually somewhere in 

2167
01:38:00,270 --> 01:38:02,550
between. 
Like Ed, Muir is a good example 

2168
01:38:02,550 --> 01:38:05,470
of someone who tried pretty darn
hard to protect his people, 

2169
01:38:06,110 --> 01:38:10,080
whereas someone like Tywin 
spends them, is like coins, you 

2170
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:12,920
know, like a life is just 
another type of resource to him,

2171
01:38:13,480 --> 01:38:16,960
another thing to be spent for 
his benefit or his house's 

2172
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:18,920
benefit. 
And the Starks maintain the 

2173
01:38:18,920 --> 01:38:21,560
winter town as a way to protect 
people from the cold in the 

2174
01:38:21,560 --> 01:38:23,320
winter. 
So there's there's certainly 

2175
01:38:23,640 --> 01:38:27,280
some good examples out there. 
The others, by contrast, don't 

2176
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:28,440
seem to. 
There's no return. 

2177
01:38:28,440 --> 01:38:31,400
There's only we won't kill you. 
There's no benefit given back 

2178
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:34,960
just other than you won't die. 
Yeah. 

2179
01:38:35,290 --> 01:38:37,010
So this is Ken slang. 
Of course, if you give away your

2180
01:38:37,250 --> 01:38:38,890
children, that's Ken slang. 
Pretty straightforward. 

2181
01:38:38,890 --> 01:38:40,410
We've mentioned that way back at
the beginning. 

2182
01:38:40,410 --> 01:38:42,810
Dywin said it. 
Dywin was right. 

2183
01:38:43,370 --> 01:38:44,450
You're giving away your own 
children. 

2184
01:38:44,450 --> 01:38:48,050
That's, that's Ken Slang. 
So let's talk about, let's talk 

2185
01:38:48,050 --> 01:38:51,530
a little about the John angle 
here that the watch puts up with

2186
01:38:51,530 --> 01:38:54,090
this, this arrangement. 
It's really tough for John to 

2187
01:38:54,090 --> 01:38:55,850
deal with this. 
He's really struggling with the 

2188
01:38:55,850 --> 01:38:58,890
morality of this quote. 
You knew. 

2189
01:38:59,690 --> 01:39:03,170
Smallwood told me long ago. 
All the Rangers know, though few

2190
01:39:03,170 --> 01:39:05,270
will talk of it. 
Did my uncle know? 

2191
01:39:06,230 --> 01:39:08,150
All the Rangers, Mormont 
repeated. 

2192
01:39:08,870 --> 01:39:10,430
John can't really do much about 
it though. 

2193
01:39:10,430 --> 01:39:11,830
He's a steward of the Lord 
Commander. 

2194
01:39:11,830 --> 01:39:13,510
What's he going to do? 
The best he can do is say I'm 

2195
01:39:13,510 --> 01:39:17,070
not sleeping under this roof. 
He can only exercise this in his

2196
01:39:17,070 --> 01:39:19,950
own purview. 
He can't really make anyone else

2197
01:39:19,950 --> 01:39:21,510
do it. 
By the time he becomes Lord 

2198
01:39:21,510 --> 01:39:26,190
Commander, well, crafter's dead 
anyway, and John has no business

2199
01:39:26,190 --> 01:39:28,310
going to that part of the world 
at this point. 

2200
01:39:28,310 --> 01:39:31,470
He's got bigger problems. 
Interesting that Mormont learned

2201
01:39:31,470 --> 01:39:35,020
it from Lauren Smallwood, but as
we said earlier, Smallwood it's 

2202
01:39:35,020 --> 01:39:37,700
a highly experienced Ranger. 
He's probably slept the crafters

2203
01:39:37,700 --> 01:39:40,460
keep a dozen times or something 
and then he's a Ranger. 

2204
01:39:40,460 --> 01:39:43,020
I mean, he'd be like I said, he 
became acting 1st Ranger when 

2205
01:39:43,540 --> 01:39:48,020
bench advantage. 
I don't know that that it hits 

2206
01:39:48,020 --> 01:39:50,780
me really hard this moment. 
This real is Jason that John has

2207
01:39:50,780 --> 01:39:54,220
because he looks up the bench 
and he think John is, as you 

2208
01:39:54,220 --> 01:39:55,860
said, he has a strong sense of 
justice. 

2209
01:39:55,860 --> 01:39:57,180
He's trying hard to do the right
thing. 

2210
01:39:57,460 --> 01:39:59,100
Thought it was the right thing 
to do to go to the wall. 

2211
01:39:59,650 --> 01:40:02,730
It's uncle went to the wall. 
He wants to believe that he also

2212
01:40:02,730 --> 01:40:04,530
has a strong sense. 
And Benjamin probably does have 

2213
01:40:04,530 --> 01:40:07,730
a strong sense of justice. 
But in the end, in the reality 

2214
01:40:07,730 --> 01:40:11,290
of the world, and I'm going to 
say in this part of the world 

2215
01:40:11,290 --> 01:40:17,530
which is built around conflict, 
justice just can't live there. 

2216
01:40:17,690 --> 01:40:19,650
You know what I mean? 
That Benjamin knew it too. 

2217
01:40:19,650 --> 01:40:22,050
And for John to realize that is,
it's a tough. 

2218
01:40:22,490 --> 01:40:25,170
Wake up call like it was a tough
wake up call for him to just get

2219
01:40:25,170 --> 01:40:28,130
into the wall and realizing the 
reality of it was very different

2220
01:40:28,170 --> 01:40:30,290
than what he thought. 
But still inside he was like, 

2221
01:40:30,330 --> 01:40:32,210
okay. 
Well, the wall isn't what I 

2222
01:40:32,210 --> 01:40:34,810
thought, but justice is still 
important, right? 

2223
01:40:35,090 --> 01:40:36,970
My uncle is still a good man, 
right? 

2224
01:40:37,850 --> 01:40:39,170
Maybe not. 
Maybe not. 

2225
01:40:40,770 --> 01:40:42,410
He's wrestling with that. 
He's like, well, maybe he is. 

2226
01:40:42,410 --> 01:40:44,250
Maybe he. 
Maybe if Vengeant had to do it, 

2227
01:40:44,690 --> 01:40:48,770
maybe it's no, yeah, it's really
maybe I have to do it too. 

2228
01:40:48,770 --> 01:40:50,050
And right now it doesn't want 
to. 

2229
01:40:50,250 --> 01:40:53,930
And again, maybe Benjin. 
Or the Wall have this bigger 

2230
01:40:53,930 --> 01:40:55,290
purpose. 
I think that was a quote 

2231
01:40:55,290 --> 01:40:58,130
somewhere else to where they 
maybe I'm just thinking about 

2232
01:40:58,130 --> 01:41:01,730
that when when Mormont tells 
them that our our war is more 

2233
01:41:01,730 --> 01:41:04,250
important than Rob's. 
You know the the idea of this 

2234
01:41:04,250 --> 01:41:07,980
existential threat to humanity 
isn't as important as who's king

2235
01:41:07,980 --> 01:41:08,700
right now. 
You know. 

2236
01:41:09,140 --> 01:41:12,500
And maybe an existential threat 
to humanity isn't as important 

2237
01:41:12,500 --> 01:41:15,180
as this guy murdering and raping
his own family members. 

2238
01:41:15,180 --> 01:41:20,140
Like you know it's a tough to 
believe that could be a scenario

2239
01:41:20,140 --> 01:41:22,460
in the world, right. 
And usually in the real world 

2240
01:41:22,460 --> 01:41:25,420
that's not a scenario. 
But in this fantastic world, 

2241
01:41:25,420 --> 01:41:27,060
that's the scenario that's been 
set up for John. 

2242
01:41:27,060 --> 01:41:30,580
And it's still tough for even if
he does get clear evidence that 

2243
01:41:30,580 --> 01:41:33,300
we have to accept Crasser to 
save every other human on the 

2244
01:41:33,300 --> 01:41:35,300
planet, it's still a tough thing
to accept. 

2245
01:41:35,300 --> 01:41:38,540
Because it's not how he's raised
on what his sense of justice 

2246
01:41:38,540 --> 01:41:39,900
looks like. 
It's just, yeah, it's complete 

2247
01:41:39,900 --> 01:41:41,940
turn around from from a lot of 
his values. 

2248
01:41:41,940 --> 01:41:44,140
Not the identity he thought that
his family had either. 

2249
01:41:44,140 --> 01:41:49,020
But we do see him too. 
We do see him making concessions

2250
01:41:49,020 --> 01:41:51,300
to morality later, like he 
becomes Lord Commander and what 

2251
01:41:51,380 --> 01:41:52,580
does he do? 
He does the baby swap. 

2252
01:41:52,580 --> 01:41:55,740
He makes Gilly leave her baby 
behind like that. 

2253
01:41:55,740 --> 01:41:58,700
This John Clash of Kings John 
would would have bought that 

2254
01:41:58,700 --> 01:42:01,310
unthinkable. 
Yeah, I think but but Clash of 

2255
01:42:01,310 --> 01:42:03,030
King John was Steward, not Lord 
Commander. 

2256
01:42:03,030 --> 01:42:06,790
Clash of King John hadn't gone 
beyond the Wall and lived with 

2257
01:42:06,950 --> 01:42:10,430
Gilly and lived with the free 
folk and saw Corn Halfhand die 

2258
01:42:10,430 --> 01:42:12,990
and all these other things shot 
and saw innocent people die. 

2259
01:42:12,990 --> 01:42:16,310
All these like John has changed 
a lot since since these times, 

2260
01:42:16,750 --> 01:42:18,590
but he still has that sense of 
justice. 

2261
01:42:18,590 --> 01:42:23,270
But he's a little more worldly 
and you know, at least his 

2262
01:42:23,270 --> 01:42:26,070
corner of the world, which does 
work differently than most of 

2263
01:42:26,070 --> 01:42:27,590
the rest of Westeros for a lot 
of reasons. 

2264
01:42:28,300 --> 01:42:31,060
By the way, it's a similar 
parallel I made to to Stannis. 

2265
01:42:31,060 --> 01:42:33,740
Like the idea of Stannis burning
a child or Melisandre, like, 

2266
01:42:34,580 --> 01:42:37,020
right. 
But when there is this in this 

2267
01:42:37,020 --> 01:42:39,620
fantastic world where there 
really is magic and there really

2268
01:42:39,620 --> 01:42:44,580
is this existential threat, at 
what point do you, I don't know,

2269
01:42:44,580 --> 01:42:46,740
forego that moral to save the 
world, you know? 

2270
01:42:46,820 --> 01:42:48,620
Yeah. 
That's a really tough question, 

2271
01:42:48,940 --> 01:42:52,460
Speaking of someone who is 
willing to do things that may 

2272
01:42:52,460 --> 01:42:54,660
not have been moral for perhaps 
the greater good. 

2273
01:42:56,390 --> 01:43:00,190
The Raven is always there. 
All these conversations John has

2274
01:43:00,190 --> 01:43:03,070
with Mormon, that raven's always
there saying, you know, like 

2275
01:43:03,070 --> 01:43:04,630
we've quoted it a bunch of 
times. 

2276
01:43:04,630 --> 01:43:06,710
Like both Asheya and Sean have 
done. 

2277
01:43:06,710 --> 01:43:09,710
A very good Raven voice today. 
Yeah, fun. 

2278
01:43:09,950 --> 01:43:13,190
So it's that's quite possibly 
Blood Ravens hearing all this 

2279
01:43:13,190 --> 01:43:14,030
stuff going. 
Yep. 

2280
01:43:14,150 --> 01:43:15,070
Nope. 
Nope. 

2281
01:43:15,070 --> 01:43:18,430
Like, God Crestor, you guys like
again with this guy, you know? 

2282
01:43:20,560 --> 01:43:22,640
He's just, like, so frustrated 
sitting in his tree, like 

2283
01:43:23,160 --> 01:43:25,480
someone chop that guy's head 
off. 

2284
01:43:27,880 --> 01:43:29,440
Maybe not. 
Maybe he's like, yeah, they got 

2285
01:43:29,440 --> 01:43:31,000
to do what they got to do. 
I get it. 

2286
01:43:31,040 --> 01:43:35,240
I get it. 
Craster claims the Whites and 

2287
01:43:35,240 --> 01:43:38,000
others will not attack his key 
because he's right with the 

2288
01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:41,800
gods. 
And yeah, like we've been saying

2289
01:43:41,800 --> 01:43:44,920
it throughout the episode, the 
evidence does seem to appear to 

2290
01:43:44,920 --> 01:43:46,920
be true. 
The others do seem to leave him 

2291
01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:48,480
alone because of the sacrament. 
Leave his. 

2292
01:43:48,780 --> 01:43:54,140
Property alone because of these 
sacrifices, though, it's not 

2293
01:43:54,140 --> 01:43:56,620
really left alone, is it? 
If someone's coming by demanding

2294
01:43:56,620 --> 01:44:00,860
sacrifices, and if now, as we've
said, Craster might be the one 

2295
01:44:00,860 --> 01:44:03,500
choosing the sacrifices sons, he
may not be giving them up the 

2296
01:44:04,060 --> 01:44:05,140
because he really thinks he has 
to. 

2297
01:44:05,140 --> 01:44:06,740
He's just telling that to his 
wives. 

2298
01:44:07,300 --> 01:44:09,500
Either way, that's not being 
left alone. 

2299
01:44:09,500 --> 01:44:13,100
If someone's coming and 
demanding your stuff, it's not 

2300
01:44:13,100 --> 01:44:14,940
being left alone like they're 
they're not going to come kill 

2301
01:44:14,940 --> 01:44:16,220
you. 
But that's not the same as 

2302
01:44:16,220 --> 01:44:18,100
leaving you alone. 
They are, absolutely. 

2303
01:44:18,920 --> 01:44:22,880
Definitively not leaving you 
alone, but they are not killing 

2304
01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:24,240
you. 
So that's definitely an 

2305
01:44:24,240 --> 01:44:25,920
important demand. 
And there's a lot of that here, 

2306
01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:28,920
isn't. 
There's a lot of language used, 

2307
01:44:29,360 --> 01:44:33,080
manipulative language or 
semantics used by Craster to to 

2308
01:44:33,400 --> 01:44:38,000
justify his existence, or to 
deflect criticism from the 

2309
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:40,560
Nights Watch or from this and 
that, or just to establish who 

2310
01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:43,200
he is. 
So yeah, that's a really 

2311
01:44:43,200 --> 01:44:46,960
important point about Craster. 
He has no. 

2312
01:44:47,510 --> 01:44:48,990
Power. 
It's not a partnership. 

2313
01:44:48,990 --> 01:44:51,750
It's not an arrangement. 
It's it's you're taking 

2314
01:44:51,750 --> 01:44:53,270
something for me to leave me 
alone. 

2315
01:44:53,310 --> 01:44:55,630
You see me as like a resource, a
recurring resource. 

2316
01:44:55,630 --> 01:44:57,830
Like you come threaten me. 
Get something out of it. 

2317
01:44:58,070 --> 01:45:00,870
You're not killing me because 
you'd rather have that recurring

2318
01:45:00,870 --> 01:45:04,230
thing than a one time take what 
you have and then that's it. 

2319
01:45:05,030 --> 01:45:08,750
Like a yeah, you're you're like 
a tree that bears repeated 

2320
01:45:08,750 --> 01:45:10,150
fruit. 
Like, why chop down the tree 

2321
01:45:10,150 --> 01:45:12,350
that every year gives you more 
stuff. 

2322
01:45:12,830 --> 01:45:15,070
So that's what Craster is. 
Craster keeps giving them. 

2323
01:45:15,980 --> 01:45:18,620
And not fruit, but people and 
sheep and dogs. 

2324
01:45:18,620 --> 01:45:23,820
And yeah, like Fessa sends super
chat and says walkers would need

2325
01:45:23,820 --> 01:45:26,420
a base nearby so babies don't 
freeze before collection unless 

2326
01:45:26,420 --> 01:45:28,460
they don't need them alive or 
it's a chance. 

2327
01:45:28,460 --> 01:45:30,100
It's not that the White Walkers 
taking them. 

2328
01:45:30,100 --> 01:45:32,500
Yeah, maybe. 
Yeah, I still think the White 

2329
01:45:32,500 --> 01:45:35,100
Walkers are taking them because 
they've been seen by apparently 

2330
01:45:35,100 --> 01:45:37,500
been seen by guilty. 
But there is room for something 

2331
01:45:37,500 --> 01:45:40,020
else that they're just crashers 
leaving them out there and 

2332
01:45:41,340 --> 01:45:43,380
that's not what's happening. 
So just animals are taking them 

2333
01:45:43,380 --> 01:45:45,700
away, and Crasher blamed it on 
the White Walkers. 

2334
01:45:46,050 --> 01:45:48,930
The problem with that is that 
they're they feel them coming 

2335
01:45:48,930 --> 01:45:51,650
like that that type of cold that
they can tell is different, like

2336
01:45:51,650 --> 01:45:54,570
there's I. 
The presence of them seems to be

2337
01:45:54,570 --> 01:45:58,890
legitimate, even if the 
arrangement is too much of this 

2338
01:45:58,890 --> 01:46:02,530
crafter's own description. 
I suppose there's a lot to play 

2339
01:46:02,530 --> 01:46:05,410
with here, because this is a 
reasonable logistic point to 

2340
01:46:05,410 --> 01:46:08,370
bring up, you know? 
So maybe the walkers do appear 

2341
01:46:08,730 --> 01:46:12,290
periodically when the babies 
come, but maybe also they have 

2342
01:46:12,290 --> 01:46:15,010
some minion that collects the 
baby and cares for it, you know?

2343
01:46:15,010 --> 01:46:18,130
Yeah. 
Or maybe they have super fast 

2344
01:46:18,130 --> 01:46:21,250
horses or some sort of 
teleportation or tunnel system. 

2345
01:46:21,250 --> 01:46:24,130
Or is all kinds of things. 
Yeah, maybe they can control the

2346
01:46:24,130 --> 01:46:27,010
temperature even though they 
have this cold aura about them. 

2347
01:46:27,010 --> 01:46:29,970
Maybe they can minimize the cold
or to keep the baby alive or 

2348
01:46:29,970 --> 01:46:32,410
something like that. 
Yeah, maybe they feed on it, or 

2349
01:46:32,410 --> 01:46:33,570
maybe they just don't need them 
alive. 

2350
01:46:33,570 --> 01:46:36,090
Maybe they immediately consume 
the baby's life, energy, or 

2351
01:46:36,090 --> 01:46:38,570
whatever. 
Kind of like Melisandre making a

2352
01:46:38,570 --> 01:46:41,370
spirit of a shadow. 
Baby from Stannis and made him 

2353
01:46:41,370 --> 01:46:44,650
look older the next day, 
consuming a part of them. 

2354
01:46:44,650 --> 01:46:47,010
Yeah, it's like that's a they're
feeding on a similar type of 

2355
01:46:47,530 --> 01:46:50,930
energy, the shadow that creates 
the same shadow energy that that

2356
01:46:50,930 --> 01:46:55,090
can be formed into a assassin 
and also be consumed by other 

2357
01:46:55,090 --> 01:46:58,010
magical beings perhaps. 
I mean, those babies are shadow 

2358
01:46:58,010 --> 01:46:59,490
creatures and the others are 
shadow creatures. 

2359
01:46:59,490 --> 01:47:02,930
There might even be some sort of
might fit into our grand magical

2360
01:47:02,930 --> 01:47:05,530
overlap theory that they're 
similar. 

2361
01:47:06,090 --> 01:47:09,370
Sorcery is used to create 
similar tapped energy within the

2362
01:47:10,060 --> 01:47:13,540
a similar rift in the dimensions
has let them both through, or 

2363
01:47:13,540 --> 01:47:15,220
whatever we. 
Lack the right language for it, 

2364
01:47:15,220 --> 01:47:16,700
but I like that, just I like 
that. 

2365
01:47:16,700 --> 01:47:18,860
The rift, dimensional rift or 
something, yeah, they're pulled 

2366
01:47:18,860 --> 01:47:21,980
through with sorceress energy 
and yeah, that's why they don't 

2367
01:47:21,980 --> 01:47:24,260
quite fit in this world, because
they're not from it. 

2368
01:47:25,940 --> 01:47:28,580
George James says the Knights 
king slash corpse queen story 

2369
01:47:28,580 --> 01:47:30,460
hints that at the very least 
there have been female others in

2370
01:47:30,460 --> 01:47:34,180
the past and there have been 
stories of, you know, female 

2371
01:47:34,180 --> 01:47:36,780
others. 
I mean while half human children

2372
01:47:36,780 --> 01:47:39,140
others and you know, siring 
mating with others. 

2373
01:47:40,500 --> 01:47:46,100
By the way, it's a kind of a 
reversal that Old Man says the 

2374
01:47:46,100 --> 01:47:51,500
wildlings kidnap women on the 
South side of the wall in order 

2375
01:47:51,500 --> 01:47:55,740
to give them to the others, 
which is probably not true, but 

2376
01:47:55,740 --> 01:47:58,300
it's kind of interesting in that
it's the opposite of a crafter 

2377
01:47:58,300 --> 01:47:59,260
doing. 
It's like Crafter says. 

2378
01:47:59,260 --> 01:48:02,020
Oh, they want the sons, but 
according to Old Man, they want 

2379
01:48:02,020 --> 01:48:07,040
the women, Which maybe it is. 
Either and just some people 

2380
01:48:07,040 --> 01:48:09,680
think an old man says they're 
taking women and the while she 

2381
01:48:09,680 --> 01:48:11,840
associates the wildlings with 
the others. 

2382
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:16,760
So those are connected but and 
grastors made-up the sun's thing

2383
01:48:16,760 --> 01:48:20,360
to for his own ends too. 
So maybe there's been a change 

2384
01:48:20,360 --> 01:48:23,280
in what the others want, right? 
Maybe it's connected to the red 

2385
01:48:23,280 --> 01:48:25,640
comment or although the red 
comment just now got here. 

2386
01:48:25,640 --> 01:48:27,560
Seems like crackers has been 
doing this for a while, but 

2387
01:48:27,560 --> 01:48:30,000
that's true. 
But but anyway, you can see that

2388
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:33,280
maybe at different times the 
others had different demands of 

2389
01:48:33,280 --> 01:48:36,750
humans and it connected to these
other rises and magic. 

2390
01:48:36,750 --> 01:48:40,030
They want babies instead of 
sheep, male babies instead of 

2391
01:48:40,030 --> 01:48:42,510
female babies, whatever. 
We need we need stronger energy 

2392
01:48:42,510 --> 01:48:45,350
to make our comeback. 
The sheep are just barely 

2393
01:48:45,350 --> 01:48:49,910
keeping us alive. 
Let's talk about Craster's death

2394
01:48:50,110 --> 01:48:53,390
and a few other related topics. 
The first time we see Craster, 

2395
01:48:53,390 --> 01:48:55,310
it's John's POV, though Sam is 
there. 

2396
01:48:55,310 --> 01:48:59,110
The second time we see Craster 
at Sam's POV, not only is John 

2397
01:48:59,110 --> 01:49:00,710
not there, but Sam thinks John 
is dead. 

2398
01:49:02,100 --> 01:49:05,860
Let's go back to before this 
though for a little funny slash 

2399
01:49:05,860 --> 01:49:08,660
foreshadowy line from Dollar 
said quote. 

2400
01:49:09,300 --> 01:49:11,860
Give the Wildling an axe. 
Why not? 

2401
01:49:12,780 --> 01:49:16,620
He pointed out Mormont's weapon,
a short half battle axe with 

2402
01:49:16,660 --> 01:49:19,900
gold scroller inlaid on the 
black steel blade. 

2403
01:49:20,300 --> 01:49:24,020
He'll give it back, I vow. 
Buried in the Old Bear's skull 

2404
01:49:24,060 --> 01:49:26,380
like it's not. 
Not quite, but in the 

2405
01:49:26,380 --> 01:49:28,900
neighborhood it wasn't. 
That's not quite what happened, 

2406
01:49:28,900 --> 01:49:31,740
but Crasher was holding the axe,
getting ready to swing it in. 

2407
01:49:32,110 --> 01:49:36,430
Dirk. 
Before Alo grabbed him from 

2408
01:49:36,430 --> 01:49:37,750
behind and cut. 
No, actually was thinking the 

2409
01:49:37,750 --> 01:49:39,270
other way around. 
He was going for aloe and Dirk 

2410
01:49:39,270 --> 01:49:40,270
cut him. 
Yeah, Dirk killed him. 

2411
01:49:40,910 --> 01:49:43,870
That's right. 
And by the way, that axe sounds 

2412
01:49:43,870 --> 01:49:45,790
pretty sweet. 
It sounds kind of like the the 

2413
01:49:45,790 --> 01:49:49,230
cracks and axe from TV. 
Gold black with gold scroll 

2414
01:49:49,230 --> 01:49:50,230
work. 
Yeah, sounds cool. 

2415
01:49:51,350 --> 01:49:52,830
So he is. 
Yeah, he's holding that axe 

2416
01:49:52,830 --> 01:49:54,950
threateningly. 
Mormont suggests the name 

2417
01:49:54,950 --> 01:49:56,510
answered. 
Prayer for the acts like you 

2418
01:49:56,510 --> 01:49:59,610
said earlier, Sean. 
But only in the context of if 

2419
01:49:59,610 --> 01:50:01,770
Crafter's, one of Crafter's 
wives, uses it to kill him while

2420
01:50:01,770 --> 01:50:04,610
he's passed out drunk, which he 
is at that moment when when 

2421
01:50:04,690 --> 01:50:07,930
Mormon sisters like we gave him 
wine, which he likes, he doesn't

2422
01:50:07,930 --> 01:50:10,090
have access to much of that. 
He's passed out. 

2423
01:50:10,090 --> 01:50:11,810
Like there is no way he's going 
to stop you. 

2424
01:50:11,810 --> 01:50:14,530
You could absolutely kill him 
right now, but of course they 

2425
01:50:14,530 --> 01:50:17,970
won't, because they're convinced
that they're doomed without him.

2426
01:50:17,970 --> 01:50:20,370
They're convinced they're doomed
without his sacrifices. 

2427
01:50:21,250 --> 01:50:23,050
We're not actually sure what 
happened to that ax. 

2428
01:50:23,050 --> 01:50:25,010
I'm curious, but it probably 
ended up with one of the 

2429
01:50:25,010 --> 01:50:29,080
mutineers hopefully killed. 
Because most of those mutineers 

2430
01:50:29,080 --> 01:50:33,360
were killed. 
And Nina says this axe is also a

2431
01:50:33,360 --> 01:50:37,960
little symbolic of the attitude 
of this towards this passive 

2432
01:50:37,960 --> 01:50:41,520
evil that the Knights Watch has 
to put up with in order to 

2433
01:50:42,360 --> 01:50:44,440
perhaps survive. 
I mean that's it's like we said,

2434
01:50:44,440 --> 01:50:46,400
it's been the difference between
life and death sometimes, 

2435
01:50:47,080 --> 01:50:50,080
according to certain Rangers. 
Anyway, Marma will give the 

2436
01:50:50,080 --> 01:50:53,040
weapon and alcohol to Craster 
and speak about how the women 

2437
01:50:53,040 --> 01:50:55,520
should kill him, but he won't 
actually do it himself. 

2438
01:50:56,100 --> 01:50:58,820
Old tradition of Craster is a 
friend of the Watch Outweighs 

2439
01:50:58,820 --> 01:51:01,420
that and not to mention his own 
beliefs and guests, right like 

2440
01:51:02,220 --> 01:51:05,860
Mormont is legitimately 
mortified when Craster is 

2441
01:51:05,860 --> 01:51:08,820
killed. 
He's like, Oh my God, the gods 

2442
01:51:08,820 --> 01:51:11,060
will curse us like he's not 
like, oh, this is a bad thing. 

2443
01:51:11,060 --> 01:51:13,340
You should have done that. 
Now he's like he it's like a 

2444
01:51:13,580 --> 01:51:15,660
moment of belief like he's 
devout like has. 

2445
01:51:15,660 --> 01:51:20,140
This is a really sincere belief 
he holds, and it's set up by a 

2446
01:51:20,140 --> 01:51:21,980
couple other comments he makes 
about the gods earlier. 

2447
01:51:21,980 --> 01:51:23,540
Like when they're a white tree, 
he says. 

2448
01:51:24,280 --> 01:51:26,840
My Lord father believed you 
couldn't tell a lie in front of 

2449
01:51:26,840 --> 01:51:29,560
a heart tree, and John says my 
father believed the same. 

2450
01:51:29,800 --> 01:51:33,520
It's like these things. 
This sets up Mormont being 

2451
01:51:33,520 --> 01:51:36,040
sincere and truly believing 
these things that he's saying 

2452
01:51:36,040 --> 01:51:39,120
about guest right, which is goes
a long way towards explaining 

2453
01:51:39,120 --> 01:51:41,440
why he won't intervene. 
That doesn't necessarily make it

2454
01:51:41,440 --> 01:51:45,320
okay, but like it's hard to go 
against deeply held religious 

2455
01:51:45,320 --> 01:51:48,280
beliefs, it brings out questions
about guest right? 

2456
01:51:48,280 --> 01:51:52,090
If I go to your house one time, 
you offer me food, I eat it, and

2457
01:51:52,090 --> 01:51:54,050
I leave. 
When I come back to your house 

2458
01:51:54,050 --> 01:51:58,570
the next time, is it the same 
deal or can I, you know, like it

2459
01:51:58,570 --> 01:52:01,450
seems like you should show up, 
not accept his food and chop his

2460
01:52:01,450 --> 01:52:03,970
head off with an axe, not worry 
about the guess the right thing?

2461
01:52:05,610 --> 01:52:07,410
Yeah, Nina says. 
Not only does Mormont recognize 

2462
01:52:07,410 --> 01:52:09,690
the insidious layers of abuse 
crashers inflicted on these 

2463
01:52:09,690 --> 01:52:11,850
women, not only are they 
physically assaulted by Crasher 

2464
01:52:11,850 --> 01:52:14,610
on a regular basis, but they 
have been raised to believe that

2465
01:52:14,610 --> 01:52:17,730
they are pariahs to both the 
other free folk and the Nights 

2466
01:52:17,730 --> 01:52:19,450
Watch, and that's the only thing
standing between them and 

2467
01:52:19,450 --> 01:52:20,970
destructive. 
God is crash or something. 

2468
01:52:21,700 --> 01:52:24,020
They're presented. 
He tells them that no one else 

2469
01:52:24,020 --> 01:52:25,620
will take them in also. 
Not only that, he's the only one

2470
01:52:25,620 --> 01:52:27,340
to protect them, but they have 
nowhere else to go. 

2471
01:52:28,380 --> 01:52:30,900
And that part's at least 
somewhat true. 

2472
01:52:31,500 --> 01:52:33,220
Not for Gilly, as it turns out, 
thankfully. 

2473
01:52:33,220 --> 01:52:36,660
But when it all breaks down, 
like those other eighteen women 

2474
01:52:36,660 --> 01:52:39,060
are left there for their own 
devices with the worst of the 

2475
01:52:39,060 --> 01:52:41,260
remaining Knights Watch. 
And they had a horrible fate. 

2476
01:52:41,260 --> 01:52:44,380
Most like the Knights watch did 
not save them. 

2477
01:52:44,380 --> 01:52:48,540
They saved one of them and the 
child, and under unusual 

2478
01:52:48,540 --> 01:52:51,430
circumstances, yes. 
Under different circumstances, 

2479
01:52:51,430 --> 01:52:54,030
Gilly would not have necessarily
been accepted at the Wall or 

2480
01:52:54,030 --> 01:52:55,470
elsewhere. 
That's very, very true. 

2481
01:52:55,510 --> 01:52:58,710
Yeah, you're right. 
Ed also in as part of his 

2482
01:52:58,870 --> 01:53:01,230
conversation, joke said it's a 
good thing Crasser will be given

2483
01:53:01,230 --> 01:53:03,550
wine because, well, at least 
he's less dangerous when drunk. 

2484
01:53:03,550 --> 01:53:06,470
That's a one few positive 
things, as he, Ed can point out.

2485
01:53:06,470 --> 01:53:08,990
Positive things. 
He's not all dolorous all the 

2486
01:53:08,990 --> 01:53:13,910
time, but just most of the time.
But it turns out being relaxed 

2487
01:53:13,910 --> 01:53:16,550
and drunk turned around when he 
was. 

2488
01:53:17,050 --> 01:53:18,530
Triggered, he became kind of 
reckless. 

2489
01:53:18,530 --> 01:53:20,530
I mean, I don't know. 
He goes to recap. 

2490
01:53:20,530 --> 01:53:22,850
Remember he some of the 
survivors get mad at crafter for

2491
01:53:22,850 --> 01:53:26,170
holding back food. 
Crasher gets mad in return at 

2492
01:53:26,170 --> 01:53:29,210
their lack of respect for his 
generosity. 

2493
01:53:29,210 --> 01:53:30,210
He doesn't have to give them 
anything. 

2494
01:53:30,570 --> 01:53:32,290
He gets mad and kicks out the 
ones who insulted him. 

2495
01:53:32,290 --> 01:53:33,730
He's very specific. 
He's like you insulted me. 

2496
01:53:33,730 --> 01:53:34,650
You. 
The rest you can stay. 

2497
01:53:34,650 --> 01:53:36,290
You didn't say anything, like he
doesn't treat them as a 

2498
01:53:36,290 --> 01:53:39,770
monolith, but then one of them 
calls him bastard and that that 

2499
01:53:39,770 --> 01:53:42,810
really bothers him because he is
1 but he hates being called 

2500
01:53:42,810 --> 01:53:43,450
that. 
So that's. 

2501
01:53:43,820 --> 01:53:46,060
By the way, why we said it's 
important to know that he's a 

2502
01:53:46,060 --> 01:53:47,900
bastard because it triggered him
here. 

2503
01:53:48,180 --> 01:53:50,460
And that means those other times
when it comes up, when he's make

2504
01:53:50,460 --> 01:53:53,740
that comment to John about being
a bastard and how Nance is a 

2505
01:53:53,740 --> 01:53:57,100
bastard now he's one, it's, it's
a touchy subject for him and 

2506
01:53:57,100 --> 01:53:59,740
he's drunk. 
So it's more weight to it than 

2507
01:53:59,740 --> 01:54:02,220
you might realize. 
Yeah, but then we do realize. 

2508
01:54:02,260 --> 01:54:04,580
Yeah, then we do realize that so
he he loses temper. 

2509
01:54:04,980 --> 01:54:08,420
He sweeps the food off the 
table, grabs the axe, jumps over

2510
01:54:08,420 --> 01:54:10,380
the table and goes after clubs 
with Carl. 

2511
01:54:10,940 --> 01:54:13,850
Then Dirk grabs him from behind.
Cuts his throat. 

2512
01:54:14,090 --> 01:54:18,170
Mormon is horrified. 
All hell breaks loose, Nina 

2513
01:54:18,170 --> 01:54:18,890
says. 
Let's be clear. 

2514
01:54:18,890 --> 01:54:21,050
Crashed was barely, if at all, 
following the strictures of 

2515
01:54:21,050 --> 01:54:24,290
guest right. 
He was giving them food, but a 

2516
01:54:24,290 --> 01:54:27,130
really tiny amount. 
It was like he was technically 

2517
01:54:27,130 --> 01:54:29,930
helping them, but he was trying 
to do the minimum. 

2518
01:54:29,930 --> 01:54:31,250
At bare minimum is the right way
to put it. 

2519
01:54:32,050 --> 01:54:35,010
I I even want to maybe give some
credit to the fact that he does 

2520
01:54:35,010 --> 01:54:38,410
have couple dozen people there 
that he needs to have food for 

2521
01:54:38,610 --> 01:54:41,770
and he can't let 50 soldiers 
show up and eat his winter 

2522
01:54:41,770 --> 01:54:42,850
results. 
Yeah, that is true. 

2523
01:54:42,850 --> 01:54:44,410
Yeah. 
There, there's some, on some 

2524
01:54:44,410 --> 01:54:46,850
level you got to say, yeah, 
he's, he's got to say he does 

2525
01:54:46,850 --> 01:54:48,170
have to save enough food for 
himself. 

2526
01:54:48,290 --> 01:54:50,530
And it is going to be a look. 
Looks like a nasty winter. 

2527
01:54:50,930 --> 01:54:53,610
Those are facts, I think. 
Yeah, here's another thing too 

2528
01:54:53,610 --> 01:54:55,330
though. 
This idea that crafters never 

2529
01:54:55,330 --> 01:54:58,130
turned away someone from the 
Nights Watch and so he's their 

2530
01:54:58,130 --> 01:55:00,730
friend. 
Do they have to give him wine 

2531
01:55:00,730 --> 01:55:03,610
and an axe every time? 
What if they didn't give him the

2532
01:55:03,610 --> 01:55:05,930
wine and axe, but he turned him 
away the next time? 

2533
01:55:05,930 --> 01:55:09,090
Maybe, You know, Is it your 
generosity or is it? 

2534
01:55:09,410 --> 01:55:10,810
Is he getting something from the
nice? 

2535
01:55:10,810 --> 01:55:12,050
Watch for this. 
Are they? 

2536
01:55:12,330 --> 01:55:15,530
They're get so incidentally 
contributing to Crasser's 

2537
01:55:15,530 --> 01:55:16,890
scenario. 
You're right, because he's 

2538
01:55:16,890 --> 01:55:18,890
profiting, basically paying him 
each time, yeah. 

2539
01:55:19,010 --> 01:55:19,970
This is and this is what he 
does. 

2540
01:55:19,970 --> 01:55:22,010
This is, this is how he profits 
from his arrangement with the 

2541
01:55:22,010 --> 01:55:23,170
others. 
It's even though it's an awful 

2542
01:55:23,170 --> 01:55:25,370
thing. 
Like who would try seek a profit

2543
01:55:25,370 --> 01:55:26,530
from this? 
Well, this guy would. 

2544
01:55:26,870 --> 01:55:28,190
Yeah, he's profiting from guest 
writing. 

2545
01:55:28,190 --> 01:55:31,670
These are things you're supposed
to give freely, but he basically

2546
01:55:31,670 --> 01:55:33,390
demands these. 
If these gifts aren't given 

2547
01:55:33,390 --> 01:55:35,390
that, he probably wouldn't do 
it, you know, Now that's to be 

2548
01:55:35,390 --> 01:55:38,110
fair, those are also, you're 
supposed to give gifts to your 

2549
01:55:38,110 --> 01:55:39,830
host. 
That is part of it. 

2550
01:55:40,990 --> 01:55:44,030
They gave him a crossbow some 
prior visit, we're we're told. 

2551
01:55:44,030 --> 01:55:46,550
And the crossbow is real 
valuable. 

2552
01:55:46,550 --> 01:55:50,230
Like super valuable. 
So anyway, he also points out 

2553
01:55:50,230 --> 01:55:52,490
The Who drew steel first? 
It was Craster. 

2554
01:55:52,490 --> 01:55:54,490
Craster is the one who picked 
his axe up Like that guy called 

2555
01:55:54,490 --> 01:55:56,490
him a bastard, but he didn't, 
like, draw his dagger and call 

2556
01:55:56,490 --> 01:55:58,370
him a bastard. 
He just killed that insult. 

2557
01:55:58,650 --> 01:56:02,490
Rude. 
But Craster drew steel first. 

2558
01:56:02,490 --> 01:56:04,970
Yeah, the penalty for rudeness 
shouldn't be death. 

2559
01:56:05,010 --> 01:56:06,050
Yeah. 
Guest right. 

2560
01:56:06,410 --> 01:56:08,930
The the, the rules of guest 
right or not don't include 

2561
01:56:08,930 --> 01:56:10,050
rudeness. 
I mean you're supposed to be. 

2562
01:56:10,810 --> 01:56:12,250
Yeah. 
Not bring murder into their 

2563
01:56:12,250 --> 01:56:13,530
home. 
You know these other things it's

2564
01:56:13,530 --> 01:56:16,810
pretty yeah rudeness is not 
quite doesn't quite rise to that

2565
01:56:16,810 --> 01:56:19,170
level like we should. 
You should be. 

2566
01:56:19,500 --> 01:56:22,740
Gracious to your host, but maybe
not every host. 

2567
01:56:23,460 --> 01:56:25,860
And then, of course, once hell 
breaks loose, they treat 

2568
01:56:25,900 --> 01:56:27,580
everything as theirs, including 
the women. 

2569
01:56:28,220 --> 01:56:31,420
It's a bit ironic for a man who 
considers himself so godly, 

2570
01:56:31,420 --> 01:56:35,020
someone who sacrifices to the 
others to be killed by the 

2571
01:56:35,020 --> 01:56:38,940
Night's Watch, the eternal foe 
of the Others and the ones that 

2572
01:56:39,700 --> 01:56:41,740
bothered him. 
I mean, come on, man, you crows 

2573
01:56:41,740 --> 01:56:42,820
are fighting the wrong evils 
here. 

2574
01:56:42,820 --> 01:56:47,080
Like, yeah, crashed was bad but.
She's dropping right down to his

2575
01:56:47,080 --> 01:56:49,320
level with some stuff. 
I mean, you just go do the same 

2576
01:56:49,320 --> 01:56:51,640
things that we're all saying or 
wrong, like raping his women. 

2577
01:56:51,640 --> 01:56:52,920
Like that's the thing that is 
wrong. 

2578
01:56:52,920 --> 01:56:56,040
Like, come on, don't do that. 
Jeez, but these are the worst 

2579
01:56:56,640 --> 01:56:58,040
members of the nights Watch. 
These are the guys. 

2580
01:56:58,040 --> 01:57:00,640
Some of these are the same ones 
that were planning on murdering 

2581
01:57:00,800 --> 01:57:03,160
their brothers to escape. 
Several of these guys were the 

2582
01:57:03,160 --> 01:57:05,680
coconspirators with Chet, and 
they all had a person they were 

2583
01:57:05,680 --> 01:57:09,240
going to murder. 
Now maybe Crasser was so 

2584
01:57:09,240 --> 01:57:12,920
reckless and charging hollow 
because. 

2585
01:57:13,900 --> 01:57:15,620
Maybe it's probably because he 
was drunk and confident. 

2586
01:57:15,620 --> 01:57:17,620
Maybe he just really thought he 
was immune because of guess 

2587
01:57:17,620 --> 01:57:18,620
right. 
He's like, no, this Shirley the 

2588
01:57:18,620 --> 01:57:21,340
Knights watch won't do this. 
You know, he just got a little, 

2589
01:57:21,980 --> 01:57:24,620
got a little arrogant, got a 
little ahead of himself there 

2590
01:57:24,620 --> 01:57:26,940
with that and all these. 
Like he knew how bad these 

2591
01:57:26,940 --> 01:57:30,140
people are. 
We don't know where Dirk is 

2592
01:57:30,140 --> 01:57:32,260
from, by the way. 
I would guess not from the 

2593
01:57:32,260 --> 01:57:34,740
North. 
I would guess that he would 

2594
01:57:34,980 --> 01:57:37,580
maybe not have been so willing 
to do that if he was from the 

2595
01:57:37,580 --> 01:57:40,650
North, but maybe he was. 
Them and the other eight, eight 

2596
01:57:40,650 --> 01:57:42,410
of the other rogue nights watch,
stay at crafters. 

2597
01:57:42,410 --> 01:57:45,890
They're the ones who steal the 
food and do all that awful stuff

2598
01:57:45,890 --> 01:57:47,970
to the women. 
One of them dies like right 

2599
01:57:47,970 --> 01:57:51,810
away, falling out of a the the 
cellar, trying to climb up. 

2600
01:57:51,810 --> 01:57:53,170
There he falls and breaks his 
neck. 

2601
01:57:53,170 --> 01:57:55,730
I kind of hope one of the women 
knocked him down and he I I 

2602
01:57:55,730 --> 01:57:59,490
would prefer that to being. 
Slipping, but we don't know. 

2603
01:57:59,890 --> 01:58:01,970
And Cold Hands kills five more 
of them later. 

2604
01:58:02,890 --> 01:58:05,850
And then of course, Brandon, 
Mira, and Jojan eat them 

2605
01:58:06,290 --> 01:58:07,970
unwillingly and unknowingly. 
But hey. 

2606
01:58:09,860 --> 01:58:11,740
It's another example of can't 
have as many morals. 

2607
01:58:11,740 --> 01:58:14,980
When you're dying, you know you 
got to eat, right? 

2608
01:58:15,660 --> 01:58:18,380
I don't know if Dirk was one of 
the five killed by cold hands. 

2609
01:58:18,380 --> 01:58:21,780
It would be really appropriate 
though, if he was killed by an 

2610
01:58:21,780 --> 01:58:24,420
agent of the old Gods after 
violating guest rights so 

2611
01:58:24,420 --> 01:58:26,820
brutally. 
That would be fitting, wouldn't 

2612
01:58:26,820 --> 01:58:27,580
it? 
Wouldn't it? 

2613
01:58:27,580 --> 01:58:32,100
Indeed, yes, yes it would. 
As we work our way towards the 

2614
01:58:32,100 --> 01:58:34,140
end of the episode. 
We're not quite there, but 

2615
01:58:34,620 --> 01:58:36,490
here's a great. 
Part that I alluded to the 

2616
01:58:36,490 --> 01:58:38,450
beginning. 
Nina wrote us a couple 

2617
01:58:38,450 --> 01:58:41,330
paragraphs about parallels 
between The Song of Ice and Fire

2618
01:58:41,330 --> 01:58:42,330
and Fever Dream. 
Now. 

2619
01:58:42,330 --> 01:58:46,490
Fever Dream, as I said at the 
beginning, is set in 1857 along 

2620
01:58:46,490 --> 01:58:49,010
the Mississippi River and around
New Orleans in the US. 

2621
01:58:49,010 --> 01:58:51,810
It's great book, vampire novel, 
and in the story the vampires 

2622
01:58:51,810 --> 01:58:53,090
fall into two very distinct 
groups. 

2623
01:58:53,250 --> 01:58:55,650
While some very vampires want a 
positive relationship with 

2624
01:58:55,650 --> 01:58:58,770
humans where they don't feed on 
them, other vampires call human 

2625
01:58:58,770 --> 01:59:01,250
beings cattle and consider them 
their natural prey. 

2626
01:59:02,890 --> 01:59:04,810
And by the way, this was written
in 1982, so. 

2627
01:59:05,330 --> 01:59:07,330
More than 10 years before he 
even started hung Weiss Empire. 

2628
01:59:07,490 --> 01:59:10,770
But as we're going to see in 
this, in this description, and 

2629
01:59:11,290 --> 01:59:14,010
right up in Nunes made here, 
there are parallels. 

2630
01:59:14,290 --> 01:59:16,370
If some of that sounds like 
George was thinking about these 

2631
01:59:16,370 --> 01:59:19,610
vampires, particularly the 
sinister half, the ones that see

2632
01:59:19,610 --> 01:59:22,330
them as cattle, as inspiration 
for the others, well, yeah, here

2633
01:59:22,330 --> 01:59:24,170
we go. 
Like the others, the vampires of

2634
01:59:24,170 --> 01:59:26,650
Fever Dream are uniformly pale 
and inhumanly beautiful. 

2635
01:59:26,770 --> 01:59:29,090
Like the others, the vampires 
move with an unnatural 

2636
01:59:29,090 --> 01:59:31,770
quietness, grace and elegance. 
Like the others, the vampires 

2637
01:59:31,770 --> 01:59:33,450
are far stronger physically than
humans. 

2638
01:59:33,850 --> 01:59:36,010
Like the others, the vampires 
cannot exist in daylight. 

2639
01:59:37,610 --> 01:59:40,010
All these things are fairly 
normal for vampires, but you may

2640
01:59:40,010 --> 01:59:42,890
not have noticed how similar 
that is to the others. 

2641
01:59:44,410 --> 01:59:46,650
What does all this have to do 
with Craster, though you might 

2642
01:59:46,650 --> 01:59:48,890
be asking? 
Well, that question is answered 

2643
01:59:48,890 --> 01:59:52,410
by the secondary antagonist of 
Fever Dream, a man called Sour 

2644
01:59:52,410 --> 01:59:55,290
Billy Tipton. 
In the In the novel, Billy 

2645
01:59:55,290 --> 01:59:58,410
served as an overseer on a 
plantation that the evil group 

2646
01:59:58,410 --> 02:00:00,570
of vampires moved on to and 
eventually took over. 

2647
02:00:00,930 --> 02:00:03,010
The novel makes it pretty clear 
that Billy was already a bad 

2648
02:00:03,010 --> 02:00:05,000
guy. 
More the vampires ever moved in,

2649
02:00:05,000 --> 02:00:08,160
and he certainly had no problem 
being an abusive enforcer of 

2650
02:00:08,160 --> 02:00:11,640
slavery on the plantation. 
However, once the vampires take 

2651
02:00:11,640 --> 02:00:14,680
control of the plantation, Billy
becomes what the novel calls a 

2652
02:00:14,680 --> 02:00:16,360
Thrall. 
We've all do you know anything 

2653
02:00:16,360 --> 02:00:18,120
about vampires? 
The term Thrall is nothing new. 

2654
02:00:18,640 --> 02:00:22,840
Or might you or what you might 
also call familiar, which you 

2655
02:00:23,040 --> 02:00:26,680
probably have also heard, like 
Guillermo and What We Do in the 

2656
02:00:26,680 --> 02:00:28,720
Shadows. 
He's a familiar, but in other 

2657
02:00:28,800 --> 02:00:30,200
contexts you might have been 
called a Thrall. 

2658
02:00:30,660 --> 02:00:33,140
Anyway, we got to mix a little 
humor in here because this stuff

2659
02:00:33,140 --> 02:00:35,380
is pretty dark. 
When the vampires want to feast 

2660
02:00:35,380 --> 02:00:38,060
on an enslaved young woman, 
Billy is the one who purchases 

2661
02:00:38,060 --> 02:00:40,740
her and holds her up so the 
vampires can drink her blood. 

2662
02:00:40,940 --> 02:00:42,860
When the vampires have to hide 
from the sunlight during the 

2663
02:00:42,860 --> 02:00:45,780
day, Billy protects their 
residents from sunlight, puts up

2664
02:00:45,780 --> 02:00:47,340
curtains, and does all these 
other things to make sure they 

2665
02:00:47,340 --> 02:00:50,110
don't die while the sun's out. 
But it's also a onesided 

2666
02:00:50,110 --> 02:00:52,790
relationship. 
Billy serves the main vampire 

2667
02:00:52,790 --> 02:00:56,150
antagonist, Damon Julian, 
because he believes, and Damon 

2668
02:00:56,150 --> 02:00:59,550
has told him so, though it's a 
lie that he will one day turn 

2669
02:00:59,550 --> 02:01:03,470
him into a vampire himself. 
But Billy never gets that. 

2670
02:01:03,550 --> 02:01:05,350
It's never, never have. 
There's no benefit to him in the

2671
02:01:05,350 --> 02:01:08,910
long run. 
They've totally used him to be 

2672
02:01:08,910 --> 02:01:11,190
their go between between 
humanity and then he's their 

2673
02:01:11,350 --> 02:01:13,710
slave catcher, their bait 
Finder. 

2674
02:01:14,150 --> 02:01:19,320
So he's truly turned against his
own kind for a deal that he 

2675
02:01:19,320 --> 02:01:21,960
should be able to suss out is 
never going to happen. 

2676
02:01:21,960 --> 02:01:24,840
He should be able to figure out 
that they're lying to him, but 

2677
02:01:24,840 --> 02:01:27,680
he wants it badly enough. 
He's perhaps evil badly on his 

2678
02:01:27,680 --> 02:01:30,320
own badly enough to want this, 
so much that he's willing to 

2679
02:01:30,320 --> 02:01:34,480
believe it. 
He brags about how the vampires 

2680
02:01:34,480 --> 02:01:37,000
are superior and how he's going 
to be one one day too. 

2681
02:01:37,000 --> 02:01:41,000
So he treats humans coldly. 
He treats them to you know, he's

2682
02:01:41,000 --> 02:01:44,320
severe towards disloyalty, very 
threatening. 

2683
02:01:44,820 --> 02:01:48,500
When Billy is dying and begs 
Julian to say finally Sherman a 

2684
02:01:48,500 --> 02:01:51,940
vampire. 
Damon laughs and at him and 

2685
02:01:51,940 --> 02:01:55,180
informs him that actually 
vampires can't make humans into 

2686
02:01:55,580 --> 02:01:57,540
into other vampires. 
Zaka. 

2687
02:01:58,700 --> 02:02:02,500
And then he watches him die. 
Spoiler alert, sorry I told you 

2688
02:02:02,500 --> 02:02:04,860
to read the book and then we go 
and tell you this part, not that

2689
02:02:04,860 --> 02:02:06,540
crucial of a moment. 
You know like the when the 

2690
02:02:06,540 --> 02:02:08,780
secondary villain dies. 
Like yeah, you probably saw that

2691
02:02:08,780 --> 02:02:10,300
coming. 
Maybe not the exact way, but 

2692
02:02:10,460 --> 02:02:12,260
doesn't that sound a lot like 
Craster? 

2693
02:02:12,770 --> 02:02:15,490
Like Billy, Crasher has no 
qualms about commanding a 

2694
02:02:15,490 --> 02:02:18,210
household of enslaved people and
doing whatever the evil people 

2695
02:02:18,210 --> 02:02:21,890
want in exchange for. 
It's like the underpants gnomes 

2696
02:02:22,010 --> 02:02:26,090
step three profit there, but 
there is. 

2697
02:02:26,290 --> 02:02:29,730
Yeah, but there is no profit. 
Just as Billy gave human flesh 

2698
02:02:29,730 --> 02:02:31,810
in the form of enslaved people 
to Damon, Julian, and his 

2699
02:02:31,810 --> 02:02:34,330
favorite fellow vampire, so 
Crasser gives the other human 

2700
02:02:34,330 --> 02:02:36,250
flesh in the form of his own 
enslaved sons. 

2701
02:02:36,570 --> 02:02:39,720
Just as Billy is proud to serve 
the antagonistic vampires 

2702
02:02:39,720 --> 02:02:41,960
because they give him a sense of
importance and protection, so 

2703
02:02:41,960 --> 02:02:46,400
Craster confidently declares 
himself a godly man protected by

2704
02:02:46,400 --> 02:02:48,640
his gods. 
But it's all a lie. 

2705
02:02:48,640 --> 02:02:51,800
They're all just using it. 
Just as Billy's relationship was

2706
02:02:51,800 --> 02:02:54,000
with Damon Julian. 
It's one side. 

2707
02:02:54,000 --> 02:02:57,040
In the end, Billy was no more 
than a slave himself to Damon. 

2708
02:02:57,040 --> 02:03:01,720
Julian, he just didn't know it. 
Craster doesn't also doesn't 

2709
02:03:01,720 --> 02:03:04,400
realize that he's more never 
more than a slave to the others.

2710
02:03:04,720 --> 02:03:07,640
He says that we're left alone. 
We were right with the gods. 

2711
02:03:07,640 --> 02:03:09,520
That's why we're left. 
Get right with the gods and 

2712
02:03:09,520 --> 02:03:12,920
they'll be left alone. 
But as we pointed out, his 

2713
02:03:12,920 --> 02:03:17,040
definition of left alone is. 
I just don't agree with it. 

2714
02:03:17,120 --> 02:03:21,160
That's not left alone. 
The others did not care that 

2715
02:03:21,160 --> 02:03:22,760
crashed or was killed during the
mutiny of his keep. 

2716
02:03:22,760 --> 02:03:24,960
We're not going to take revenge 
on his behalf. 

2717
02:03:24,960 --> 02:03:30,080
There's not no comeuppance for 
anyone else in that regard any 

2718
02:03:30,080 --> 02:03:32,120
more than Damon. 
Julian cared what happens to his

2719
02:03:32,120 --> 02:03:35,440
human thralls. 
They're just a thing to have for

2720
02:03:35,440 --> 02:03:38,000
a while to use up. 
And when they use up, you go get

2721
02:03:38,000 --> 02:03:40,600
another one. 
Cattle, just like he said at the

2722
02:03:40,600 --> 02:03:43,200
beginning, only good for 
feasting or enslavement to the 

2723
02:03:43,200 --> 02:03:44,400
others. 
Same thing. 

2724
02:03:45,200 --> 02:03:46,880
Yeah, And this is the other 
clue. 

2725
02:03:47,320 --> 02:03:50,240
Billy believes that the vampires
can make him a vampire. 

2726
02:03:50,440 --> 02:03:53,200
Think about that here. 
Craster believes the sons are 

2727
02:03:53,200 --> 02:03:55,840
being turned into more others. 
Well, it's entirely possible 

2728
02:03:55,840 --> 02:03:59,040
that's complete bull. 
Even if that was possible at 

2729
02:03:59,040 --> 02:04:00,680
someday, like the others had to 
come from somewhere. 

2730
02:04:01,080 --> 02:04:03,440
Whether his sons are actually 
being turned into it, quite 

2731
02:04:03,440 --> 02:04:07,510
possibly the full born lie, full
blown lie similar to Damon, 

2732
02:04:07,510 --> 02:04:09,590
Julian lying to Billy about 
being able to make him a 

2733
02:04:09,590 --> 02:04:11,030
vampire. 
They know actually you can't do 

2734
02:04:11,030 --> 02:04:13,910
that or we don't have the power 
to do that. 

2735
02:04:15,110 --> 02:04:17,470
One quick thought. 
It might not be a fullblown lie.

2736
02:04:17,470 --> 02:04:19,430
Cresser might believe it and 
just not actually know what's 

2737
02:04:19,430 --> 02:04:21,310
going on. 
He might have pieced that 

2738
02:04:21,310 --> 02:04:23,470
together, or someone else told 
him and he believed it. 

2739
02:04:23,470 --> 02:04:25,150
Or something like that. 
And he's not personally being 

2740
02:04:25,150 --> 02:04:27,430
expected to turn into another, 
so it's not like he expects that

2741
02:04:27,430 --> 02:04:29,590
benefit person. 
So that is another small 

2742
02:04:29,590 --> 02:04:33,240
difference. 
Great. 

2743
02:04:33,240 --> 02:04:34,360
Right up there. 
I really appreciated that. 

2744
02:04:34,360 --> 02:04:35,560
I hadn't read that book in so 
long. 

2745
02:04:35,560 --> 02:04:37,240
There's no way I would have 
remembered all the parallels. 

2746
02:04:37,240 --> 02:04:39,200
So thanks, Nina. 
Very good. 

2747
02:04:39,200 --> 02:04:40,520
What? 
Was the name of that book again.

2748
02:04:40,520 --> 02:04:45,120
Fever Dream, but spelled FEVRE, 
not FEVER. 

2749
02:04:45,440 --> 02:04:47,920
The Fever River in the north is 
spelled that way. 

2750
02:04:47,920 --> 02:04:50,320
So it's a nod to especially 
because it's a river boats that 

2751
02:04:50,320 --> 02:04:52,760
takes place in the Mississippi. 
Pretty much the whole story. 

2752
02:04:53,240 --> 02:04:55,080
You sure it's not February, 
February? 

2753
02:04:55,760 --> 02:04:56,960
Dream the fever. 
A dream. 

2754
02:04:58,360 --> 02:05:02,810
Yeah, Fever dream. 
One of George's production isn't

2755
02:05:02,810 --> 02:05:03,850
it? 
George's production company 

2756
02:05:03,850 --> 02:05:07,610
called Fever River. 
Yeah, he's also got High Guard 

2757
02:05:07,610 --> 02:05:10,010
and entertainment. 
A lot of his sub companies have 

2758
02:05:10,370 --> 02:05:13,570
Game of Thrones names or or in 
this case Fever Dream name. 

2759
02:05:15,370 --> 02:05:17,410
So both John and Sam have all 
this information because they 

2760
02:05:17,410 --> 02:05:20,170
experienced crashers keep. 
And as I said earlier Gilly does

2761
02:05:20,170 --> 02:05:22,690
2 and more. 
She's something of an untapped 

2762
02:05:22,690 --> 02:05:25,330
source of knowledge here, and 
since she's still out there, 

2763
02:05:25,330 --> 02:05:30,540
still alive with Sam, she might 
say more things that would make 

2764
02:05:30,540 --> 02:05:32,740
us want to come back to this 
topic and add to it at some 

2765
02:05:32,740 --> 02:05:34,420
point. 
There's a few other survivors 

2766
02:05:34,900 --> 02:05:38,980
like Gran and Ulmer, and Oliver 
said that I've seen some things 

2767
02:05:38,980 --> 02:05:40,540
as well. 
They might, they might weigh in,

2768
02:05:40,540 --> 02:05:43,180
they might matter because those 
three are currently all alive 

2769
02:05:44,740 --> 02:05:47,140
through his child. 
Craster also plays a role in the

2770
02:05:47,140 --> 02:05:49,820
as yet unresolved replaying of 
the Tower Joyce scenario. 

2771
02:05:49,820 --> 02:05:52,660
We mentioned that briefly, 
something that John, Younger 

2772
02:05:52,660 --> 02:05:55,660
John would not have done, but 
Lord Commander John killed the 

2773
02:05:55,660 --> 02:05:57,670
boy. 
The one who killed the boy is 

2774
02:05:57,670 --> 02:06:03,230
swapping boys. 
And yeah, so Craster's child is 

2775
02:06:04,430 --> 02:06:06,750
in Old Town. 
That's a strange place for 

2776
02:06:06,750 --> 02:06:09,630
Craster's child to end up, but 
that's where we're at because 

2777
02:06:10,390 --> 02:06:13,990
Dallas babe was left there. 
Oh, wait, did I get that 

2778
02:06:13,990 --> 02:06:14,990
backwards? 
I got that backwards. 

2779
02:06:15,070 --> 02:06:17,030
I got that backwards. 
Gillian Craster's son is still 

2780
02:06:17,030 --> 02:06:19,470
at the wall. 
Yeah, Gillian Craster's son is 

2781
02:06:19,470 --> 02:06:20,990
still at the wall. 
And Gillian, I even have it 

2782
02:06:20,990 --> 02:06:22,230
written correctly here. 
I just said it wrong. 

2783
02:06:23,110 --> 02:06:25,190
Dala and man's Raiders son is 
the one she brought to Old Town.

2784
02:06:25,190 --> 02:06:28,270
The one that isn't hers, right? 
But that's also very 

2785
02:06:28,270 --> 02:06:31,310
interesting. 
That doesn't do the interesting 

2786
02:06:31,310 --> 02:06:33,710
aspect of it and how similar it 
is to the Tower Joy in reverse. 

2787
02:06:33,710 --> 02:06:37,350
Like send send 1 N, leave the 
other S Except yeah, there isn't

2788
02:06:37,350 --> 02:06:40,590
necessarily two babies in the 
first scenario, but there is a a

2789
02:06:41,230 --> 02:06:45,110
hidden identity here, so we'll 
have to see what happens there. 

2790
02:06:45,430 --> 02:06:49,310
It could be a really awkward 
similarity where you instead of 

2791
02:06:49,310 --> 02:06:52,620
being sacrifice to the others, 
just sacrifice to Melisandre 

2792
02:06:52,620 --> 02:06:55,340
instead. 
Like literally out of the frying

2793
02:06:55,340 --> 02:06:56,300
pan. 
Into the fire, out of the 

2794
02:06:56,300 --> 02:06:59,780
freezer, into the frying pan. 
What is not quite literal, 

2795
02:06:59,780 --> 02:07:02,660
pretty close. 
And that's our episode folks 

2796
02:07:02,740 --> 02:07:04,900
really enjoyed talking about 
crafters, Creepy as that subject

2797
02:07:04,900 --> 02:07:08,940
is the mysteries, and the stuff 
about the others is really fun 

2798
02:07:08,940 --> 02:07:12,460
topic. 
The trivia question. 

2799
02:07:12,460 --> 02:07:16,220
Yes, yes, yes. 
The question was, who does John 

2800
02:07:16,580 --> 02:07:18,980
see sleep in a tree? 
You made a joke, Sean. 

2801
02:07:18,980 --> 02:07:23,950
You said a big person. 
His name is Giant, but he's it's

2802
02:07:23,950 --> 02:07:26,990
one of those reverse nicknames. 
I think a shave made that joke. 

2803
02:07:27,030 --> 02:07:29,110
Oh my bad. 
I'm sorry shave made that joke. 

2804
02:07:29,190 --> 02:07:31,710
You were writer than you knew. 
But as we know, Giant is 5 feet 

2805
02:07:31,710 --> 02:07:33,190
tall. 
It's a it's a nickname like 

2806
02:07:33,190 --> 02:07:35,830
little you know little Kevin or 
whatever. 

2807
02:07:37,070 --> 02:07:38,150
A Little Walter. 
Exactly. 

2808
02:07:38,510 --> 02:07:39,790
That's a thing. 
Yep. 

2809
02:07:40,430 --> 02:07:43,710
Like I said next week we're off.
We'll be putting up an older 

2810
02:07:43,710 --> 02:07:45,190
episode. 
Some of y'all might not have 

2811
02:07:45,190 --> 02:07:46,750
seen it. 
So definitely keep your eyes on 

2812
02:07:46,750 --> 02:07:48,710
the feed. 
But then after that we'll be 

2813
02:07:49,190 --> 02:07:50,870
launching into Valoretas for 
Fire and Blood. 

2814
02:07:50,870 --> 02:07:52,990
That should be a lot of fun, a 
lot of rabbit holes, a lot of 

2815
02:07:52,990 --> 02:07:55,750
great discussions. 
We're diving right into the 

2816
02:07:55,750 --> 02:07:57,110
text. 
Y'all, can't wait. 

2817
02:07:57,510 --> 02:07:59,710
Some episodes that we mentioned 
during this one that you might 

2818
02:07:59,710 --> 02:08:03,590
want to consider if you want to 
stay in this general topic area.

2819
02:08:03,870 --> 02:08:07,430
Basically our entire religion 
and magic series from way back, 

2820
02:08:07,830 --> 02:08:11,150
the Comet Knights, King, the 
Wherewood episode and the 

2821
02:08:11,150 --> 02:08:14,030
Wherewood Tour episode. 
So a lot of related topics to 

2822
02:08:14,030 --> 02:08:17,490
this one, especially the 
Wherewood stuff, but I think too

2823
02:08:17,490 --> 02:08:18,890
pretty much. 
And we mentioned the comment as 

2824
02:08:18,890 --> 02:08:22,730
well, the Pact as well might be 
relevant depending on where 

2825
02:08:22,730 --> 02:08:24,330
you're thinking, what you're 
thinking about And the Children 

2826
02:08:24,330 --> 02:08:26,290
of the Forest up, those are some
valor radius for the World of 

2827
02:08:26,290 --> 02:08:29,010
Ice and Fire, ones that we did 
about a year and a half ago. 

2828
02:08:30,090 --> 02:08:33,250
So check those out if you want 
to or haven't, especially if you

2829
02:08:33,250 --> 02:08:35,730
haven't already. 
But a lot of them are fun to 

2830
02:08:35,730 --> 02:08:38,650
relisten to. 
Well, thank you to those of you 

2831
02:08:38,650 --> 02:08:41,770
who support us on Patreon or 
Spotify. 

2832
02:08:41,890 --> 02:08:46,330
That is very much what we 
require to continue existing. 

2833
02:08:46,900 --> 02:08:48,940
You know, that's the world we 
live in. 

2834
02:08:48,940 --> 02:08:51,700
You got to make a living in 
order to do what you do. 

2835
02:08:51,700 --> 02:08:56,620
And we rely on y'all we are. 
Our sponsors are inconsistent. 

2836
02:08:56,780 --> 02:08:58,980
It's good to have, but we can't 
rely on it. 

2837
02:08:58,980 --> 02:09:02,940
But we do rely on y'all, so take
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2838
02:09:02,940 --> 02:09:05,100
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You can lock that price in 

2839
02:09:05,100 --> 02:09:08,060
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2840
02:09:08,060 --> 02:09:11,100
As long as you stay on and don't
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2841
02:09:11,100 --> 02:09:15,970
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2842
02:09:16,090 --> 02:09:18,610
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And that's great because the 

2843
02:09:18,610 --> 02:09:21,210
price is going up for five, so 
you'll be spending less than 

2844
02:09:21,210 --> 02:09:24,330
half of that. 
Big shout out to Nina. 

2845
02:09:24,330 --> 02:09:28,730
A lot of great notes today. 
Good queenalley.tumblr.com is 

2846
02:09:28,730 --> 02:09:31,570
where to find her. 
As always, thanks as well to 

2847
02:09:31,570 --> 02:09:38,360
Joey, Jesse and Bran for the 
music and intro stuff that we 

2848
02:09:38,360 --> 02:09:40,680
have. 
We're really proud of of those 

2849
02:09:40,720 --> 02:09:42,040
who love our music and our 
intro. 

2850
02:09:42,200 --> 02:09:45,120
Thanks as well to Michael 
Clarfeld for the maps as well as

2851
02:09:45,120 --> 02:09:48,160
our older video intro, which we 
also love very much. 

2852
02:09:48,160 --> 02:09:53,360
Claradox with a K dot DE is his 
website and can buy downloadable

2853
02:09:53,360 --> 02:09:55,680
copies of the maps which you can
go take to a print store and 

2854
02:09:55,680 --> 02:09:57,000
have it printed out. 
That's what we do. 

2855
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:02,040
That's right, Shay. 
Is muted. 

2856
02:10:02,160 --> 02:10:07,200
Oh, you're. 
I said notably he's working on a

2857
02:10:07,200 --> 02:10:10,360
Stormlight Archive map right 
now, which is a different 

2858
02:10:10,360 --> 02:10:12,080
fandom. 
That's Brandon Sanderson, and he

2859
02:10:12,080 --> 02:10:14,000
has done other fandoms in the 
past cuz he has, like the 

2860
02:10:14,000 --> 02:10:16,640
Witcher map and whatnot. 
D&D perhaps? 

2861
02:10:16,640 --> 02:10:18,040
I forget. 
Yeah. 

2862
02:10:18,120 --> 02:10:20,640
So Michael busy as always, doing
great things. 

2863
02:10:20,640 --> 02:10:22,840
We'll keep you abreast if you 
aren't following him directly, 

2864
02:10:22,840 --> 02:10:28,880
but I do recommend and also 
thanks to our Benjaneer, named 

2865
02:10:28,880 --> 02:10:32,440
so after a character who came up
several times this episode. 

2866
02:10:33,040 --> 02:10:37,000
Unlike the Ben Gineer, we know 
where I'm sorry. 

2867
02:10:37,000 --> 02:10:39,080
Unlike Benjin, we know where the
Ben Gineer lives. 

2868
02:10:39,800 --> 02:10:41,800
I was like, that's like named 
for Ben. 

2869
02:10:41,920 --> 02:10:44,600
I never thought about Ben Gineer
being a Benjin. 

2870
02:10:45,160 --> 02:10:47,200
Like all this time. 
I just like OK, Ben. 

2871
02:10:47,240 --> 02:10:48,720
And you didn't know? 
That's funny. 

2872
02:10:48,720 --> 02:10:50,840
I never thought of the Benjin 
part of it. 

2873
02:10:52,120 --> 02:10:53,280
Yeah, that's part of why I love 
it so much. 

2874
02:10:53,280 --> 02:10:55,960
It's a multifaceted, fitting 
nickname. 

2875
02:10:56,400 --> 02:10:58,840
You hear that, Ben Gineer, as 
you're editing this? 

2876
02:11:01,440 --> 02:11:05,010
Yes, he does. 
Anyway, we'll see you all soon 

2877
02:11:05,130 --> 02:11:08,610
for Valharidis, Fire and blood. 
And you know what to do before 

2878
02:11:08,610 --> 02:11:11,010
that Valhariridis.