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Then through the Twisted, 
half-drowned trees and wide wet 

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streets, a glimpse, the Silvery 
Sheen of sunlight upon water 

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Another River. 
He knew at once rushing toward 

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the roin the ruins grew taller 
as the land grew narrower until 

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the city ended on a point of 
land. 

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West, of the remains of a 
colossal, Palace of pink and 

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green marble. 
Its collapsed domes and broke 

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inspires looming, large above a 
row of covered archways, Tyrion.

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So more Snappers sleeping and 
the slips were half a hundred 

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ships. 
Might once have docked he knew 

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where he was then that was 
nymeria as palace and this is 

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all that remains of nice are her
City. 

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YOLO shouted. 
Yeah, Andre of the shy made past

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the point. 
Tell me again. 

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All those westerosi Rivers as 
big as mother Rowan. 

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I did not know he called back, 
no River and the Seven Kingdoms 

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is half. 
So, why does this the New River 

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that I joined them was a close. 
Twin to the one, they had been 

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sailing down and that one alone 
had almost matched the mandrel 

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or the Trident. 
This is nice are were the mother

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gathers in her wild daughter? 
Knowing said he Andre but she 

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will not reach her widest point 
until she meets her other 

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daughters a dagger Lake, the 
coin comes rushing. 

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In the darkling Daughter full of
gold. 

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Amber from the axe and pine 
cones or the forest of core 

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south of their mother meets law 
rule The Smiling daughter from 

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the golden Fields where they 
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Once stood Korean Festival City 
with the streets were made of 

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water and the houses made of 
gold, then south and east again 

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for long leagues. 
Until at, last comes, creeping 

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in slowly through the shy 
daughter who hides, her course 

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in reads and writes, their 
mother. 

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Roy and wax is so wide that the 
man up on a boat in In the 

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center of the stream. 
Cannot see, ashore to either 

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side. 
You shall see. 

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My little friend. 
Awesome, is a word that gets 

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thrown around quite a bit 
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great, or similar words like 
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And that's funny because it's a 
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literal terms, it describes 
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quote perfectly mother. 
Ryan is awesome. 

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And it's not just an opening 
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The Rhine is, though it's not 
just that at all. 

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Nor is it just as seen 
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the 6th? 
This is a scene that's also 

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about Tyrion getting his groove 
back after a long depression. 

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And part of the way, this is 
accomplished is through all he's

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recalling. 
His love as a child for the 

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stories of Lomas long Strider, 
and the Wonders, the world 

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things that were a big part of 
his childhood things. 

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Inspired him growing up. 
Tyrion is extra special to us 

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for many reasons. 
But, let me draw your to 

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attention to his love of 
history, as well as these 

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stories of travel. 
It's something that he grew into

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you after that, and they feature
in his chapters more than most 

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others, because we're in his 
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head of someone who loves 
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get a lot of history via their 
thoughts, and of course, 

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conversations It wouldn't make 
sense for say Victorian to 

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debate Halden Hofmeister on 
Dragon lore or even think in 

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great detail about the ironborn 
in their history. 

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That would be weird. 
I mean, he's going to remember, 

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maybe his grandfather and maybe 
a few other famous guys, he's 

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not an expert on that. 
But for Tyrion, it's totally 

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natural for him to think about 
things like that. 

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Imagine Tyrion thinking how 
badly he wants to test his acts 

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against the Knight of flowers. 
Imagine Tyrion like, Victorian 

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wanting to give half his teeth 
to get involved in a Famous 

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duel. 
I mean, that's not like Tyrion 

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at all. 
Jorah, gives Danny books of 

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songs and stories and she's 
barely looked at them. 

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Arianne, is locked in a library 
with a bunch of Awesome books on

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hand, but no and John shuts down
Sam, mid-sentence, while he's 

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giving us all a cool history 
lesson on the Nights Watch and 

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chronology. 
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reader is kind of a version of 
this character smaller version. 

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Well, not smaller than Tyrion 
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someone for whom history, 
matters and the speaks to it 

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competently someone who fits it 
into scenes without it seeming 

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out of place because this is a 
guy like history. 

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So he's going to talk about 
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and this kind of comes in others
forms as well. 

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It's not just history, 
sometimes, history comes in 

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other Like in Brands chapters we
have stories, which are 

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basically history, but they're 
delivered in a different format,

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you know, it's whether it's folk
tales from old Nan or the 

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tournament at harrenhal from the
Reeds. 

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It's all history. 
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this device is that it's really 
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really important because A Song 
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Tells us A Song of Ice and Fire 
is Future. 

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These characters are in effect 
looking at the passed to tell us

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what's next. 
When Tyrion looks at a history 

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book. 
He sees the past but we see the 

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future. 
Cool trick George. 

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But how much more powerful is 
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When the character is living it?
Instead of reading about it for 

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Tyrion, he laughs about snarks 
and grumpkins Beyond the Wall 

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beforehand. 
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on top of 700 feet of ice gazing
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Wilderness. 
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It's like, wow, and it's that 
feeling again, he's filled with 

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awe. 
It's kind of a dark foreboding, 

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ah, but Still the experience 
that he had was nothing like 

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what he heard and read about the
real thing couldn't be described

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in words. 
And here we are in a similar 

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spot in the opening quote like 
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He looked down on what he had 
heard, he trusted over much and 

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what had been written, but when 
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two eyes, he understood that 
words would never have been able

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to convey what he was seeing. 
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stories to be exaggerated which 
to be fair. 

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They so often are you're not 
wrong when you hear exaggerated 

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rumors and think, maybe I should
tone that down. 

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Maybe that's probably 
exaggerated. 

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We all in our daily lives. 
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Phenomena people love to take 
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features like that after all but
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Sometimes the truth is so 
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That exaggerating is almost 
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Imagine reading say that the 
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probably some people in Westeros
have heard they probably heard 

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that it's probably rounded off 
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300 feet is of rather large 
rounding. 

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there in the cold, like Tyrion 
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Indescribable dread. 
Then someone leans in and says 

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actually the walls only 700 feet
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Are you really going to feel 
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700 feet I thought this was a 
thousand foot wall. 

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I was dead. 
Can a matter, your overwhelming 

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feelings are still overwhelming,
that's what it was like for 

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tearing into. 
So you know urinating 

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off-the-wall, something he 
planned on doing it, he forgot 

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about that, it just the jokes 
and all the books and everything

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he'd read was gone. 
It was just this overwhelming, 

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beautiful disturbing, primal 
thing that he was witnessing and

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hard logic and rationality were 
nowhere to be seen in that 

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moment. 
Maybe he should have known 

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better. 
Meaning, one, staring seen the 

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wall. 
Maybe should have realized that,

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you know, the Rhine. 
Maybe it was true. 

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Maybe should have prepared 
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heal of the tales of Loma strong
Strider. 

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You know, he almost makes sense 
that he would have hoped that 

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they were really as true as they
sounded like, So Loma throat of 

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the wall and tearing read about 
that. 

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Apparently, he didn't do it 
justice. 

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So maybe Lomas isn't just, it's 
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Oh, mrs. 
No George r.r. 

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Martin. 
The information is great, but, 

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you know, he didn't exactly 
have, you know, selfies at the 

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wall to put in his book. 
So yeah, we'll give Terry in a 

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past there and Lomas to, but 
really the wall it's just and 

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the Roaring. 
They're just so incredibly 

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unbelievably huge bigger than 
tyrion's and A nation could 

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conceive of and tearing can 
imagine quite a bit. 

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He read about it. 
Countless times, of course, he 

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literally did imagine it a lot, 
but it still wasn't enough to 

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prepare him for the real thing. 
So for keeping score, unlike the

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wall, Tyrion did pee in the roin
but hey, that's that only makes 

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it a little bit deeper, right? 
Seriously though, he spends a 

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lot of time on the Rhine and not
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He just goes up there. 
That one time, he's near it a 

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lot. 
But there's a lot more Ryan 

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seeing for him. 
Let's put it that way. 

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A lot of opportunity for him to 
see all the sights along it, 

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varied and vast, and ancient, 
and interesting. 

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And I'm areas Palace is a big 
site that he sees a The way and 

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of course, because of who he is,
he sees these things and gets to

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think about the history that he 
knows of them, or someone like 

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hauled in half Meister, or yeah,
Andre, and you Scylla fill him 

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in on those things and of course
he gets to interact with some of

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the legacies of nymeria in the 
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Something he'd probably rather 
not do and this all goes beyond 

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Tyrion, of course, this episode 
isn't about tearing, he's just 

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our witness to a lot of these 
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He's the only character, Stir 
with POV that goes to the wrong 

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line for any length of time. 
So, this really important, of 

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course, he's our key there and 
the name nymeria, not only 

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stands out because of re at her 
direwolf, obviously, you're 

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going to think of her when we 
talk about nymeria, but because 

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nymeria is story is key to the 
history of all Dorn. 

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That's another reason it's 
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That's our main reason why we're
here today. 

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Aria introduces us to the idea 
of nymeria with her direwolf, of

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course, Arianne Martell is 
inspired by nymeria to act on 

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her great. 
Bold plan of crowning myrcella. 

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And of course, Tyrion visits 
mother one person while hearing 

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her many of our ancient Tales, 
but it's actually Daenerys whose

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story most matches that of 
nymeria herself. 

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So, when I was talking earlier 
about the history of A Song of 

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Ice and Fire tells us the 
future, it's specifically 

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Danny's future that is most 
relevant to this. 

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And that's kind of ironic, isn't
it? 

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Because It's nymeria and her 
people fled their ancient home 

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in large part thanks to Danny's 
ancestors which, you know, maybe

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helps conceal the parallel. 
But once you see it, you can't 

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unsee it. 
Right? 

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Last of the Valyrian nobility 
compared to last of the rhoynar 

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nobility. 
Yes. 

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Indeed check a very young female
ruler. 

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Check let their people through a
variety of strange and exotic 

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lands. 
Jack again face slavery disease 

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and starvation. 
Check married. 

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Three times. 
Okay well Danny is only married 

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twice but who really expects her
to settle in with his Dar like 

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that's where she's done. 
She's just going to marry his 

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daughter and never marry again. 
Nobody is who believes that? 

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That's who that's a political 
marriage and hey nymeria, second

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husband was also a political 
marriage. 

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How about that? 
Well, probably is very old, 

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seems likely. 
So both Danny and nymeria. 

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Also held power after their 
first husband's death, a 

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difficult thing to do in general
as a woman. 

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But even harder to do when 
you're a foreigner and yet they 

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both have pulled that off. 
So Danny's third marriage is Yet

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to Come and maybe she'll get 
married a fourth time, maybe who

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knows? 
We can't see the future, but I'm

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guessing it's going to be 3 and 
that would if so that would give

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us another parallel to nymeria. 
Now, Mary's third husband was 

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Davos Dane. 
Dane I could mean something I 

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will see. 
And that's the point. 

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The best part of all this. 
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me say thanks to the Long 
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of Westeros is first sword, as 
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Joseph, the snow in Winterfell 
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white dragon with green scales, 
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peace to Laney's the Talon king 
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The name is Robert, the fourth 
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king of Blaze Water Bay Rider of
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Like smoldering Embers in 
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That is awesome. 
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the Rhine is made great by so 
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one Epic River. 
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in part due to so many different
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story. 
Most of the stories are, of 

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course, inventions of George 
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Martin. 
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Martin being a human being is 
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around him and the life 
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So, let's think about that a 
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Has two rivers that sound like 
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Rhone. 
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Rune and the rain to complete 
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I'm not sure we can go much 
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actually both the Rhine and the 
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borders, the sources of water, 
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but that's basically what all 
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Besides the rhoynar people 
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people's anyway, so they're not 
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up that well, with a lot of 
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That's mostly something. 
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and Fire, though the Rhine are 
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until feast. 
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know is inferred. 
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every so often as part of Kings 
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I'll repeat here, King of the 
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And the first men titles titles 
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we here at applied to Robert and
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and currently tommen. 
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strongly suggested, for his 
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asks for an explanation on the 
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a bit of the Classic Fish Out of
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questions to acclimate herself 
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the Reader to the setting and 
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way. 
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that the rhoynar were the 
darkness and so do most readers 

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at that point on their first 
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they were not major players 
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and more major more part of the 
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important, we need more details.
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Martel here gives us the answer 
tumor cells, question, A Feast 

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for Crows. 
The queen maker we are in part 

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Your Grace nymeria, as blood is 
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Along with that of Morris, 
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Lord, she married on the day, 
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ships. 
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that there could be no going 
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Most were glad to see those 
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been long and terrible before 
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more had been lost to storm 
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They were a few who mourned. 
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dry red land or it seven faced 
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So they clung To their old ways 
hammered boats together, from 

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the Hulk's of the burned ships 
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green blood the mother. 
And their songs is not our 

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mother, but the mother roin 
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the dawn of days. 
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someone. 
That's a big fan of nymeria. 

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When she's having her princess 
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wishing, she had some of my 
memory has stories to read. 

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In Dorne and I marry his 
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And mainstream mean that's not a
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Not no one should be surprised 
by that but some of the Nuance 

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to that is interesting. 
The famous princess of Dorne who

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stood up to aegon and his 
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Toad. 
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nymeria without the NY and I 
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meaningful prefix. 
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nymeria is city was nice are two
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And word or prefix or something.
I don't know. 

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Arys. 
Oakheart. 

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Know it's a tapestry of nymeria 
in the 10,000 ships during his 

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singular chapter but that's 
surely not an uncommon sight 

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around the shadow City or Dorn 
in general, you know art of 

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nymeria, that makes sense. 
Aria, of course, as we mentioned

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is another huge fan, but this is
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You know, she names are dire 
wolf after nymeria, of course 

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and later she names herself, Nan
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Disguise. 
And then she invents the name of

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of a ship called nymeria. 
That is part of one of her made 

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up backstories for one of her. 
Many characters assumed 

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identities. 
We could call them, but nymeria,

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fandom in the north, that's 
unusual. 

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I think it doesn't seem to have 
a lot of other examples. 

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Sansa, never thinks her talks of
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north that we've noted. 
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the South either. 
Honestly, she given she doesn't 

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conform to the kind of womanly 
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You know, she's not known either
Maiden mother or current while 

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she's mother but and I guess she
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really those, you know, that 
wouldn't describe her very well.

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And of course, the fact that she
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westerosi lady is, in fact, a 
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Aria and RN and not to Sansa, 
right? 

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It's also kind of hard to 
imagine nymeria being popular 

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and say the stormlands or the 
reach places that historically 

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have hated the dornish and only 
relatively recently, they've 

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come to live in peace with them.
So, let's say, Brienne, born and

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raised in the stormlands. 
Not a proper westerosi lady but 

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also doesn't ever seem to 
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But maybe that's because of 
where she's from tens L2 tall 

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from the Hedge Knight, and 
Novella performed a nymeria tail

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is when her puppet shows. 
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reach, but let's not forget 10 
cells, not from the reach, he's 

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from Dorne. 
So that kind of fits at least 

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one semi important person the 
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her here during the kingsmoot. 
This is kind of cool. 

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Maybe a little out of place, but
I like it. 

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A Feast for Crows the drowned 
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Lord Gilbert began to speak. 
He told of a wondrous land 

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Beyond The Sunset. 
See a land without winter. 

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Or want where death had? 
No Dominion. 

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Mm, your king and I shall lead 
you there. 

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He cried. 
We will build 10,000 ships as 

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nymeria once did and take sale 
with all our people to the land 

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Beyond The Sunset there. 
Every man shall be a king and 

446
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:28,800
every Wi-Fi, Queen because Lord,
Burton is can are unpopular and 

447
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,700
perhaps is mention of 90. 
Miriam means less than we would 

448
00:24:31,700 --> 00:24:34,600
like, but I suspect many 
ironborn would give at least 

449
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,700
grudging respect to someone who 
sailed so far and so wide. 

450
00:24:37,700 --> 00:24:41,300
Seeing so many places, they do 
respect that they respect 

451
00:24:41,300 --> 00:24:44,800
sailing as much as they do 
fighting prowess if you do it, 

452
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,700
bravely. 
But the rhoynar themselves 

453
00:24:47,700 --> 00:24:50,100
weren't actually a sailing 
people, this is something they 

454
00:24:50,100 --> 00:24:52,200
were forced into. 
I mean, they certainly get 

455
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,700
around on the water really well,
but that's River travel. 

456
00:24:54,700 --> 00:24:56,000
It's a lot different than sea 
travel. 

457
00:24:56,500 --> 00:25:01,400
They use boats all over but 
again riverboats seagoing 

458
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,300
vessels different kind of thing,
but and the right are shunned, 

459
00:25:05,300 --> 00:25:09,000
the sea, but not from Fear, it's
just from preference. 

460
00:25:09,300 --> 00:25:12,000
So many centuries, the rhoynar 
lived in peace. 

461
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,100
There, many a Savage people 
dwelt in the hills and forests 

462
00:25:15,100 --> 00:25:17,400
around. 
Mother roin all knew better than

463
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,100
to molest the river folk and the
rhoynar themselves. 

464
00:25:20,100 --> 00:25:22,100
Showed little interest in 
expansion. 

465
00:25:22,100 --> 00:25:25,700
The river was their home, their 
mother and their God, and Hugh 

466
00:25:25,700 --> 00:25:28,900
of them wish Well, beyond the 
sound of her Eternal song. 

467
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,400
Simply put they didn't want to 
go to other places land or sea. 

468
00:25:32,500 --> 00:25:36,200
They really liked where they 
were in real world terms. 

469
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,500
There's no one perfect parallel.
For the rhoynar. 

470
00:25:38,500 --> 00:25:41,500
As I said earlier, it's not 
really European people's. 

471
00:25:42,300 --> 00:25:45,400
I think that the best matches if
we're looking, you would start 

472
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,800
with the ancient river cultures 
of the world because that's what

473
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,900
the rhoynar are in this setting.
I think the close is Egypt, the 

474
00:25:51,900 --> 00:25:55,200
Nile is a vast fertile River. 
One of the biggest in the world 

475
00:25:55,300 --> 00:25:58,700
and the Egyptians Didn't expand 
terribly far away from it. 

476
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,700
They were an old people, 
powerful Advanced artistic 

477
00:26:02,700 --> 00:26:05,800
dark-skinned, highly influential
and Builders of spectacular 

478
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,700
monuments. 
That still Fascinate people 

479
00:26:07,700 --> 00:26:10,500
thousands of years later, all 
those things are true, the Rhine

480
00:26:10,500 --> 00:26:13,700
are, as well and eventually 
conquered by powers that 

481
00:26:13,700 --> 00:26:17,300
included, Rome Egypt. 
Of course, not the rhoynar, but 

482
00:26:17,300 --> 00:26:19,100
that adds nicely to the 
comparison. 

483
00:26:19,100 --> 00:26:22,700
Really, because Rome is so often
compared to valyria and valyria,

484
00:26:22,700 --> 00:26:24,400
conquered the rhoynar. 
So, there you go. 

485
00:26:25,100 --> 00:26:30,500
And if Daenerys eventually takes
Dorn, the are to valyria taking 

486
00:26:30,500 --> 00:26:34,100
the kingdom of The Heirs of the 
rhoynar, I'll wrap that Circle 

487
00:26:34,100 --> 00:26:38,800
up nicely and recall that her 
ancestors only ever succeeded in

488
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,000
this via marriage Danny's that 
is. 

489
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,100
And of course, it was a princess
Daenerys that was in that 

490
00:26:45,100 --> 00:26:48,100
marriage on top of it all. 
So delving into the lore of the 

491
00:26:48,100 --> 00:26:51,800
rhoynar means taking a long. 
Look at mother ruin herself she 

492
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,400
who has been giving life for 
countless eons. 

493
00:26:54,900 --> 00:26:59,000
That's where it starts so we 
should start back over history. 

494
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:04,000
Western mother of rivers. 
The mightiest river in the 

495
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,000
world, the Royals many 
tributaries stretched across 

496
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,900
much of Western are sauce along 
their Banks. 

497
00:27:09,900 --> 00:27:13,400
Had Arisen a civilization and 
culture a storied and ancient. 

498
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,600
As the old Empire of geese, the 
rhoynar had grown rich off the 

499
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:22,000
Bounty of their River mother. 
Roin they named her since we're 

500
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,700
talking so much about Daenerys 
Mother of Dragons. 

501
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,700
The mother of rivers fits nicely
as a title here but it's not 

502
00:27:28,700 --> 00:27:30,400
actually the comparison, we had 
in mind. 

503
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,600
The real inspiration for the 
title of this section is the 

504
00:27:32,608 --> 00:27:34,700
mother of mountains. 
Worshipped, of course, by the 

505
00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:38,400
Dothraki, this isn't just a hey 
look at this nice even naming 

506
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,600
convention. 
But it's a point about ancient 

507
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,800
peoples, both in the real world 
and the Martin world and to 

508
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,800
simplify things a bit. 
We can say that the most ancient

509
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:54,600
peoples wherever they were had 
some things in common like work.

510
00:27:54,900 --> 00:28:00,100
Being things that give life and 
things that Inspire, awe, early 

511
00:28:00,100 --> 00:28:03,800
versions of worship. 
A lot of times took generally 

512
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,800
look like this, the mother 
Mountain certainly qualifies as 

513
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:11,700
awe-inspiring and look at how 
much horses are wrapped up in 

514
00:28:11,700 --> 00:28:14,200
the Rocky spirituality. 
Of course, it's a big part of 

515
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,100
that, it's part of their natural
environment living on the plains

516
00:28:17,500 --> 00:28:20,200
Mountain on the plains is a rare
thing and it really stands out. 

517
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,200
So there's a lot to there's a 
lot of sense to be made from is 

518
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,600
the kind of you can kind of go. 
Go back and see how the earliest

519
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,500
people would have been inspired 
by these natural features and 

520
00:28:30,500 --> 00:28:34,300
the elements around them. 
But really it's nothing compared

521
00:28:34,300 --> 00:28:38,100
to the drawing, which talk about
standing out. 

522
00:28:38,100 --> 00:28:41,700
This river is utterly gigantic 
dwarfing, the rivers of Earth. 

523
00:28:41,900 --> 00:28:45,700
If it were in Westeros, let's 
say it ended at the southernmost

524
00:28:45,700 --> 00:28:48,600
point of Dorne. 
It would start all the way up in

525
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,400
the neck or thereabouts right 
around there. 

526
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,700
Just it's huge and hearing it's 
a Will down a long portion of 

527
00:28:56,700 --> 00:28:59,800
it. 
He thinks it is five times wider

528
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,200
than the black water during one 
portion wax. 

529
00:29:03,900 --> 00:29:07,200
So, you see what I mean? 
When I talk about the literal 

530
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,800
definition of the word, awesome,
you know, I throw it around all 

531
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,100
the time. 
I'm just as guilty of using it 

532
00:29:12,100 --> 00:29:18,700
on literally, but this time it's
literal mother Ryan inspires off

533
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,300
again, literally awesome, she 
gives life a lot more than any 

534
00:29:22,300 --> 00:29:24,100
mountain or Great Grass sea 
could. 

535
00:29:24,100 --> 00:29:26,400
And those To give a pretty good 
amount of life. 

536
00:29:26,900 --> 00:29:29,200
But she's also been doing it for
so much longer. 

537
00:29:29,300 --> 00:29:33,300
The Dothraki are a young people 
compared to the Rhine are though

538
00:29:34,300 --> 00:29:37,300
if there's Rocky were here to 
comment on that, they would 

539
00:29:37,300 --> 00:29:39,800
point out that, hey, they're 
still around and the Rhine are 

540
00:29:40,100 --> 00:29:44,200
mostly gone. 
But there's also similarity here

541
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,400
in their worship. 
Instead of the horse gods, for 

542
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,500
the Dothraki is the crab God and
eternal God, for example, for 

543
00:29:49,500 --> 00:29:52,000
the Rhine are, in fact, the 
ancient ruin our didn't just 

544
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,800
worship mother roaring as a 
deity. 

545
00:29:53,900 --> 00:29:56,400
They worshipped her. 
The mother of all the other 

546
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,200
deities not exactly monotheism, 
but sort of a hierarchy where 

547
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,100
she was at the top. 
We see here that in this quote, 

548
00:30:04,300 --> 00:30:07,500
which also reveals its rhoynar 
have a cultural memory older 

549
00:30:07,500 --> 00:30:09,800
than the long night itself. 
So it gives just goes to show 

550
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,400
how long they've been around. 
I miss long Strider in his 

551
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,800
wonders made by man. 
Recounts meeting descendants of 

552
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,900
the rhoynar and the ruins of the
Festival City of Kroy, an who 

553
00:30:19,900 --> 00:30:22,900
have Tales of a darkness that 
made the wrong dwindle and 

554
00:30:22,908 --> 00:30:26,400
disappear her water. 
Is Frozen as far south as the 

555
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,600
joining of the solaro, according
to these Tales, the return of 

556
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,000
the sun came only when a hero 
convinced mother, Royals many 

557
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,900
children, lesser Gods such as 
the crab king and the old man of

558
00:30:36,900 --> 00:30:40,500
the river to put aside their 
bickering and join together to 

559
00:30:40,500 --> 00:30:43,700
sing a secret song that brought 
back a day. 

560
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,300
So that bickering sounds kind of
me like fighting for the Iron 

561
00:30:48,300 --> 00:30:51,000
Throne. 
The hero is the one who turns 

562
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,800
everyone's attention to the real
enemy in the north. 

563
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,300
The old man. 
End of the river. 

564
00:30:55,300 --> 00:30:59,100
Is a turtle and the crab king 
well he's a crab that's more 

565
00:30:59,100 --> 00:31:02,700
straightforward even though the 
rhoynar have fallen as a United 

566
00:31:02,700 --> 00:31:05,600
people, their bloodlines 
physical traits and many 

567
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,400
traditions and beliefs still 
exist. 

568
00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:14,800
Tyrion for A Dance with Dragons,
I shall the dwarf was thinking 

569
00:31:15,100 --> 00:31:19,000
when he spied a Rippling ahead 
not six yards from the boat he 

570
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,500
was about to point it out to 
learn more when it came to the 

571
00:31:21,500 --> 00:31:24,600
surface, with a wash of water 
that rocked the shine. 

572
00:31:24,700 --> 00:31:27,700
Made sideways. 
It was another turtle. 

573
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,300
A horned Turtle of enormous 
size. 

574
00:31:30,300 --> 00:31:33,300
It's dark, green, shell, mottled
with brown and overgrown with 

575
00:31:33,300 --> 00:31:35,900
water, moss, and crusty. 
Black River mollusks. 

576
00:31:36,500 --> 00:31:41,000
It raised its head and bellowed 
a deep throated thrumming roar 

577
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,000
louder than any warhorn that 
Tyrion had ever heard. 

578
00:31:44,500 --> 00:31:47,700
We are blessed. 
It's either was crying loudly as

579
00:31:47,700 --> 00:31:50,900
tears streamed down her face. 
We are blessed. 

580
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:57,000
We are blessed from a nature. 
Is not nurture from a nature 

581
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,800
versus magical nature. 
Point of view, huge turtles 

582
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,800
aren't necessarily Fantastical 
real-world. 

583
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,900
Turtles can be up to 7 feet 
long. 

584
00:32:05,900 --> 00:32:10,000
Prehistoric turtles could have 
been up to 13 feet or 4 meters, 

585
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:15,400
long and even wider than that. 
So that's huge. 

586
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,100
But in this case all right, 
we're getting even larger. 

587
00:32:19,300 --> 00:32:23,700
The one Tyrion sees he considers
larger than the hole pull boat 

588
00:32:23,900 --> 00:32:28,400
that they're on On the shy made 
isn't large but it's surely more

589
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,300
than 13 feet long. 
There's way too many people 

590
00:32:30,300 --> 00:32:33,100
wanted for that. 
So this turtle is indeed, huge. 

591
00:32:33,100 --> 00:32:37,300
And Fantastical probably is the 
right word, especially when you 

592
00:32:37,300 --> 00:32:40,000
throw in that louder than 
war-horn Bellow that it's got. 

593
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,300
That's like, that's pretty cool.
And recall that Tyrion is 

594
00:32:43,300 --> 00:32:46,400
already prior to this scene, 
seeing countless Turtles on the 

595
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,500
wrong, including ones that were 
large enough to ride. 

596
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,500
And you Andre even says that the
rhoynish princes, did that road 

597
00:32:52,500 --> 00:32:54,600
Turtles. 
There's your sense of awe. 

598
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:59,400
Again, again and again we just 
keep getting inundated with 

599
00:32:59,700 --> 00:33:03,900
amazing things. 
Is ill a cries and calls it a 

600
00:33:03,908 --> 00:33:08,100
blessing and a moment later. 
Yeah, Andre cries. 

601
00:33:08,100 --> 00:33:11,100
It was him. 
The old man of the river. 

602
00:33:11,700 --> 00:33:14,700
They're just overcome. 
I mean, it is a damn you Turtle.

603
00:33:14,700 --> 00:33:17,300
What can you say? 
And George r.r., Martin gave it 

604
00:33:17,300 --> 00:33:20,000
a damn huge home. 
They truly be impressed with 

605
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,900
that as well. 
I mean, imagine Landry and he 

606
00:33:22,900 --> 00:33:27,300
still has ancestors just gazing 
out over this giant body of 

607
00:33:27,300 --> 00:33:29,600
water and all these giant things
that come out of it. 

608
00:33:29,900 --> 00:33:34,500
What a place for their ancestors
to Driven away from ya, get sad,

609
00:33:34,500 --> 00:33:38,100
doesn't it this sighting in 
particular of the giant turtle? 

610
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,200
Tyrion thinks of what he's 
learned about young grips 

611
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,200
identity and how God's often 
appear to witness the birth of 

612
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:50,100
Kings, but he's also having this
moment, he's saying this line to

613
00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:56,400
himself in his head while at a 
palace whose final owner before 

614
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,400
it was destroyed was nymeria 
herself. 

615
00:34:00,500 --> 00:34:05,000
Hmm, birth of Kings, birth of 
queens and princesses indeed, 

616
00:34:05,700 --> 00:34:08,800
this giant Palace, this giant 
turtle, this giant River. 

617
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,600
It was nothing like it compare 
with. 

618
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,699
In Westeros, maybe not even all 
of Martin's world. 

619
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,100
The closest thing in Westeros to
the wrong is the Trident, but 

620
00:34:17,100 --> 00:34:20,100
it's really not that close 
despite being so huge and 

621
00:34:20,100 --> 00:34:25,300
expansive, it only gets a darn 
instead of a damn not that kind 

622
00:34:25,300 --> 00:34:27,300
of, damn, we've got lots of dams
on the Trident. 

623
00:34:28,100 --> 00:34:30,500
We hear that the four ancient 
first men worshipped Things 

624
00:34:30,500 --> 00:34:32,900
before they adopted, the worship
of the old gods. 

625
00:34:32,900 --> 00:34:35,699
So here's another example. 
That maybe they used to worship 

626
00:34:35,699 --> 00:34:38,300
the Trident as some kind of god 
or goddess, but I'm not sure 

627
00:34:38,300 --> 00:34:41,600
they worship any River. 
Animal Gods, like the Run are 

628
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,000
still do to this day. 
We don't have any mentions of 

629
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,199
such. 
So if we do have an engine to 

630
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:49,100
the first men worshipping, the 
lady of the waves, and the lord 

631
00:34:49,100 --> 00:34:54,000
of the Skies, Didi's like that. 
Well, maybe if there had been 

632
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,400
gigantic turtles or something in
the river, they might have 

633
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,500
worshipped that but maybe not. 
I mean, no one worship. 

634
00:35:00,500 --> 00:35:03,800
The Giants are the dire wolves 
or the great Krakens or liens 

635
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,100
that we know of. 
I mean the ironborn think those 

636
00:35:06,100 --> 00:35:08,700
Krakens are cool but they don't 
worship them, right? 

637
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,200
You can eat trout in front of a 
Tully without offending them. 

638
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,400
But if you even talk about 
trying to eat one of those large

639
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,300
Turtles of the Rhine watch out 
Wars have been fought over that 

640
00:35:18,300 --> 00:35:21,800
seriously Wars plural. 
Maybe a bit like the children. 

641
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:26,000
Eventually, the first men were 
hostile to people that attack 

642
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,400
their heart trees. 
That's the closest example I can

643
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,400
think of. 
But now like the children, the 

644
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:37,100
rhoynar are a tiny minority and 
it's normal to see this, just 

645
00:35:37,100 --> 00:35:39,700
for sale. 
Another displayed, a gigantic 

646
00:35:39,700 --> 00:35:42,700
Turtle strung up by its legs on 
iron chains. 

647
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,900
Heavy as a horse as sad as that 
is. 

648
00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:49,800
It's also kind of cool because 
it shows how George is great and

649
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,800
just putting a lot into a 
seemingly. 

650
00:35:51,900 --> 00:35:54,600
Ali throw away detail. 
I mean, this is just another 

651
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,300
animal hung up in a market in 
the context that line is 

652
00:35:58,300 --> 00:36:01,800
delivered. 
But in it terms of deeper 

653
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,800
meaning, in terms of people 
paying attention, like anyone 

654
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,700
who listens to this show is 
paying attention, that's just 

655
00:36:08,700 --> 00:36:12,000
how it is. 
So, you know, from seeing that 

656
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,500
Turtle hung up, it's not just an
animal at a market. 

657
00:36:14,500 --> 00:36:16,200
It's a sacrilege. 
It's a horror. 

658
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,100
It's like I said, kind of sad 
really imagine seeing a Heart 

659
00:36:20,100 --> 00:36:24,000
Tree, freshly cut down and hung.
For sale at a market for the 

660
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,400
whole you know our whole and in 
parts of someone saying hey have

661
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,600
a branch chop off a couple of 
branches just for sale some you 

662
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,800
know Heart Tree Lumber you kind 
of get in the idea what I'm 

663
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,600
getting at here and how this 
kind of thing would be offensive

664
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,600
to the rhoynar, an earlier, 
quote, referred to a secret song

665
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:44,300
that brought back the day. 
Well, the notion that A Song of 

666
00:36:44,300 --> 00:36:48,700
Ice and Fire perhaps ended, the 
long night is a bit off topic 

667
00:36:48,900 --> 00:36:53,600
but certainly worth noting. 
So is the About the water's 

668
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,800
freezing as far south as the 
cell horu, that's pretty 

669
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,800
specific. 
And if it's accurate, well, it 

670
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:06,600
might just be a huge clue if we 
draw a straight line, West to 

671
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,300
see where that corresponds in 
Westeros, we wind up in the 

672
00:37:10,300 --> 00:37:16,000
vicinity just north of Starfall.
So will the new long night in 

673
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,600
Westeros? 
Be so bad. 

674
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,500
That even the rivers in the red 
mountains of Dorne, freeze, 

675
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,000
Children of the ROI, we were 
speaking of children of the 

676
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,700
forest for a moment there, but 
the Rhine are used the term as 

677
00:37:27,700 --> 00:37:29,900
well. 
And of course, fits with that, 

678
00:37:29,900 --> 00:37:32,000
they call themselves children, 
giving it, they call the river 

679
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,700
mother. 
And in line with that naming 

680
00:37:34,700 --> 00:37:40,300
convention, the green blood, the
people who are descendants of 

681
00:37:40,300 --> 00:37:42,100
the rhoynar they call themselves
orphans. 

682
00:37:42,100 --> 00:37:45,600
Since they've lost their mother,
though, some like yeah, Andre 

683
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,800
and you Scylla who are orphans 
themselves from the green blood,

684
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,900
they heed the call. 
Yeah, and renew Sila felt the 

685
00:37:53,900 --> 00:37:56,900
urge to go to Mother ruined, 
even though they were born in 

686
00:37:56,900 --> 00:38:01,100
Dorne and they live there. 
Now we'll see later that heeding

687
00:38:01,100 --> 00:38:04,400
the call to return to Mother. 
Ryan got quite a few other 

688
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,600
people killed or enslaved but 
that was when valyria still 

689
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,600
existed, it's still dangerous 
but less so the injury and you 

690
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,400
still are happy with their life 
as vast as mother rhoyne is. 

691
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,500
There are many forms her 
children come in and the term 

692
00:38:18,500 --> 00:38:21,500
gets thrown around applying the 
tributary rivers and living 

693
00:38:21,700 --> 00:38:25,900
Things like probably other 
things to as River, people to 

694
00:38:25,900 --> 00:38:27,700
ruin. 
Our did River, people type 

695
00:38:27,700 --> 00:38:29,900
things they made use of what the
river gave them. 

696
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,200
But not all rivers are created 
equal. 

697
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:36,700
Not all Rivers, give the same 
things and many people lived in 

698
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,800
relative. 
Peace on the Rhine as things 

699
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,800
often go. 
When there's resources and 

700
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:47,600
space, a plenty for all mother. 
Ryan helped in her own way. 

701
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,900
Keep them peaceful by giving 
them everything they needed to 

702
00:38:49,900 --> 00:38:52,900
live. 
And by making it appealing to 

703
00:38:52,900 --> 00:38:56,400
stay instead of looking 
elsewhere to conquer and expand.

704
00:38:57,700 --> 00:39:00,800
And since they only expanded 
along the river and never away 

705
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:05,000
from it, they had more time for 
looking inward building and 

706
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:10,400
growth, fishes, Traders 
teachers, Scholars workers, and 

707
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,700
wood, and stone, and metal. 
They raise their elegant towns 

708
00:39:13,700 --> 00:39:16,700
and cities from the headwaters 
of the rowing down to her mouth.

709
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,500
Each Lovelier than the last. 
There was go ahead and draw in 

710
00:39:20,500 --> 00:39:23,100
the Velvet Hills with its Groves
and waterfalls. 

711
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,300
Nice are the city of fountains 
alive with song are annoyed. 

712
00:39:27,500 --> 00:39:31,600
On the coin with its Halls of 
green marble pale Farm. 

713
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,700
L the flowers, see guitar Hawaii
with its canals and Salt Water 

714
00:39:35,700 --> 00:39:40,300
Gardens and Kroy. 
Mm greatest of all the Festival 

715
00:39:40,300 --> 00:39:42,800
City with its great palace of 
love. 

716
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,300
In the next section we'll 
discuss structures these palaces

717
00:39:45,300 --> 00:39:47,300
and such right now. 
I want to draw your attention to

718
00:39:47,300 --> 00:39:52,500
their Gardens art music culture,
they grew culture, and in those 

719
00:39:52,500 --> 00:39:54,900
Creations, they imbued themes of
love and beauty. 

720
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,300
Tyrion notes that the pole boats
on the Green Even now are 

721
00:39:58,300 --> 00:40:01,700
brightly painted and exquisitely
carved, which is very likely 

722
00:40:01,700 --> 00:40:03,100
what it was, like, back on the 
Rhine. 

723
00:40:03,100 --> 00:40:05,600
Prior to nine, Miri has day, 
when the waters were safe for 

724
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,700
travel and trade. 
And Leisure are in sees a very 

725
00:40:09,700 --> 00:40:13,000
excellently painted, Paul boat, 
and it makes me think of how 

726
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,000
only the poorest of the orphans,
don't bother don't decorate, 

727
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,300
there's because they can't 
afford it. 

728
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,000
And then right after that area, 
jota appears from within this 

729
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,900
poll boat and suddenly she's no 
longer thinking about design or 

730
00:40:23,900 --> 00:40:26,300
art work or the Orphans of the 
green blood or any of that. 

731
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,200
She's just saying, okay. 
Nowadays tearing notes that many

732
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,600
have to go with drab, boats to 
keep a low profile, they don't 

733
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,400
want to 10 Pirates. 
So that's a far cry from when 

734
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,900
even the poorest people would 
decorate their boats because the

735
00:40:38,900 --> 00:40:43,400
situation the violence the 
threats doesn't allow them to 

736
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,300
let their creativity fly. 
Now recurring Phantom question 

737
00:40:47,300 --> 00:40:51,800
that gets asked it's been asked 
since 1996 when the first book 

738
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,400
came out, people have been 
playing around with this 

739
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,900
concept, this idea. 
Which is would you live in 

740
00:40:58,900 --> 00:41:01,300
Westeros if you could and if so 
what time period? 

741
00:41:01,300 --> 00:41:03,300
I always say no hell no 
definitely. 

742
00:41:03,300 --> 00:41:07,100
Not hard pass. 
Even if SOS was an option and 

743
00:41:07,100 --> 00:41:11,600
even if we get to Eliminate all 
options that have things, like, 

744
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,300
human sacrifice or slavery. 
They're still very little to 

745
00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:17,100
like you're still left with 
mostly heinous options. 

746
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,900
But a major, shining exception 
seems to be living as one of the

747
00:41:20,900 --> 00:41:23,400
right art during their long 
golden age, that might be 

748
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,300
amazing. 
For what should be obvious 

749
00:41:26,300 --> 00:41:27,800
reasons? 
Most women would be even quicker

750
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,800
with the old? 
Hell, no hard pass on living in 

751
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:35,000
Westeros that question, but the 
Rhine are apparently had gender 

752
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,900
equality. 
So this might be appealing to 

753
00:41:38,900 --> 00:41:41,700
everyone as far as a place to 
live. 

754
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,900
Is some point during the history
of Martin's World. 

755
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,500
They had in their system of 
inheritance and property in 

756
00:41:48,500 --> 00:41:52,700
ruling women inheritors, the 
just on equal footing women were

757
00:41:52,700 --> 00:41:57,100
Warriors 2 The United by Blood 
and culture and the river that 

758
00:41:57,100 --> 00:41:59,900
had given them birth. 
The rhoynar cities were elsewise

759
00:41:59,900 --> 00:42:05,000
fiercely independent each with 
its own Prince or princess for 

760
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:09,100
amongst these River folk women 
were regarded as the equals of 

761
00:42:09,100 --> 00:42:12,000
men. 
It is Mother Ryan, not Father, 

762
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,500
Ryan after all putting a 
feminine figure first 

763
00:42:14,500 --> 00:42:16,600
worshipping life-giving 
properties. 

764
00:42:16,900 --> 00:42:19,800
These are consistent related 
elements in their society that 

765
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,700
also reflect real world examples
of. 

766
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,500
Teas that put women highly or 
equally things like that. 

767
00:42:27,900 --> 00:42:31,500
Contrast to another feminine 
symbol though, the harpy she 

768
00:42:31,500 --> 00:42:34,200
doesn't give life though she is 
portrayed as a slaver, got 

769
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,400
chains, and everything. 
And while women can wear the tow

770
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,700
Car, none of them are Masters. 
Women do seem to have some 

771
00:42:40,700 --> 00:42:42,700
power. 
We do see The Graces head, 

772
00:42:42,700 --> 00:42:45,800
priestesses and all that, and 
they're all women, but still, 

773
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,200
it's not equal and contrast to 
volantis a city that is going to

774
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,600
feature prominently in this 
episode because they're such a 

775
00:42:52,607 --> 00:42:53,700
big part of the story of the 
wrong. 

776
00:42:53,900 --> 00:42:57,100
They're on the Rhine. 
Valenta says that a female try. 

777
00:42:57,100 --> 00:43:01,000
Our can 300 years though, given 
that women can be voted in and 

778
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,000
have that's still better than 
most places in Westeros. 

779
00:43:04,300 --> 00:43:08,500
Except for where the rhoynish 
influence is strong Dorne but 

780
00:43:08,500 --> 00:43:10,700
don't be fooled. 
Yeah, about volantis. 

781
00:43:10,700 --> 00:43:13,500
There is because they have 
voting, they're not a real 

782
00:43:13,500 --> 00:43:15,900
democracy and that's another 
topic we're getting. 

783
00:43:15,900 --> 00:43:18,900
It gets you all, these cultures 
had examples of women holding 

784
00:43:18,900 --> 00:43:22,500
various forms of power, but only
in the Rhine, our cities is 

785
00:43:22,500 --> 00:43:24,300
there. 
Well, seems to be full Quality. 

786
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,700
That's the biggest takeaway that
we can get from that. 

787
00:43:29,300 --> 00:43:31,600
And the Rhine our head out 
reputation for letting other 

788
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,200
people come to live alongside 
them, you know, they were open 

789
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:38,000
to new neighbors as long as 
those new neighbors lived in 

790
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,200
peace. 
Nice literally. 

791
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,100
They were nice people. 
I guess I wonder if it's perhaps

792
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,500
relates to their own diversity 
as a people as it's hard to 

793
00:43:46,500 --> 00:43:48,700
imagine that the people at the 
mouth of the Rhine were 

794
00:43:48,700 --> 00:43:51,400
completely identical culture and
bloodline to those way up at the

795
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:52,900
top. 
I mean, remember how long I told

796
00:43:52,900 --> 00:43:57,900
you this river is But clearly 
these differences, whatever they

797
00:43:57,900 --> 00:44:01,300
may have been were not used as 
an excuse for conflicts at least

798
00:44:01,300 --> 00:44:04,400
not often enough for the stories
to stand out. 

799
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,200
And you have come down to us 
with all these forms of 

800
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,600
acceptance alongside art music. 
Love prosperity and security. 

801
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,600
Yeah, you can see why I had no 
pain Westeros but yep. 

802
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,600
On this, just compare them to 
the other. 

803
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,200
Super ancient people of the 
world were here of, like, the 

804
00:44:17,207 --> 00:44:19,800
ghiscari slavery, and Conquest 
was their ideal. 

805
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,400
They worship a feminine figure, 
but she's a cruel mistress. 

806
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,800
And, of course, the whole thing 
about having, right, This car is

807
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,600
society with regards to ruling 
the rhoynar had princes and 

808
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,100
princesses, though, not kings 
and queens. 

809
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:36,100
They had, what could be called 
city-states independent, but 

810
00:44:36,100 --> 00:44:38,400
connected, but not so 
quarrelsome. 

811
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,000
As other neighbors might be 
independent, doesn't necessarily

812
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,700
mean, they fought each other. 
I suppose that might be properly

813
00:44:44,700 --> 00:44:46,800
called principalities, but 
that's just semantics. 

814
00:44:47,100 --> 00:44:50,000
We are 100% sure new princes and
princesses always passed their 

815
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:54,300
titles down to their eldest, to 
are, but it's pretty likely 

816
00:44:54,300 --> 00:44:56,500
because that's what the dornish.
System does and the Darkness 

817
00:44:56,500 --> 00:44:58,600
system is apparently built on 
the Rhine our system. 

818
00:44:59,300 --> 00:45:03,000
So despite their disinterest in 
expansion and Conquest, their 

819
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,700
warriors were considered Fierce 
not to be taken lightly. 

820
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:10,000
We hear a potential foes nearby.
Were generally reluctant to try.

821
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,900
The Rhine are a state of 
affairs. 

822
00:45:11,900 --> 00:45:15,200
That may have lasted thousands 
of years, like, I'm a lover, not

823
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,900
a fighter, but I'm also a 
fighter, so watch yourself that 

824
00:45:17,900 --> 00:45:22,100
sort of thing on a more 
practical note as is so common, 

825
00:45:22,500 --> 00:45:24,700
people are just more motivated 
when the defending their own 

826
00:45:24,700 --> 00:45:26,700
homes. 
You go Gunfight in the world. 

827
00:45:26,900 --> 00:45:29,700
People tend to be the most 
fierce when it's their home at 

828
00:45:29,700 --> 00:45:33,100
stake. 
Extra Fighters, extra 

829
00:45:33,100 --> 00:45:36,800
motivation, you know, with the 
women helping out, you got twice

830
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,800
as many potential Warriors and 
all that motivation to go with 

831
00:45:40,100 --> 00:45:42,800
and add to that. 
They were apparently the first 

832
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,000
in the known world to learn 
ironworking and eventually 

833
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,400
steel, they made armor to look 
like the scales of a fish which 

834
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:53,100
we still see now, even when it 
seems more like the scales of a 

835
00:45:53,100 --> 00:45:56,300
snake. 
Well it can be both as we see 

836
00:45:56,300 --> 00:46:00,800
from this very familiar figure 
here quote, elsewise Oberyn was 

837
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,100
clad in some Leather and flowing
silks over his Bernie, he wore 

838
00:46:04,100 --> 00:46:08,100
his scales of gleaming copper. 
And rivers themselves. 

839
00:46:08,100 --> 00:46:11,600
Look a lot like snakes when seen
above or on a map, maybe 

840
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,000
oberon's fierceness has a 
rhoynish Twist to it. 

841
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,700
Imagine an Elite Squad of 
rhoynar Spearman, like a few 

842
00:46:16,700 --> 00:46:20,200
hundred red vipers or something.
Maybe red turtles. 

843
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,700
In this case, red crabs that 
would keep away. 

844
00:46:23,700 --> 00:46:28,600
Most would Vie Invaders, I would
think one exception, one 

845
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:32,700
culture, not intimidated by any 
of the above was the Andals, a 

846
00:46:32,700 --> 00:46:37,700
people very, unlike the rhoynar 
very interested in, Engine and 

847
00:46:37,700 --> 00:46:41,000
later, very familiar with how 
metalworking superiority can 

848
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:45,200
play a huge role in war before 
their success attacking the 

849
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,400
steel lacking first men, they 
had some not so successful 

850
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,600
Ventures on their home 
continent. 

851
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,800
We hear tell of end all 
adventurers, trying to conquer 

852
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,300
rhoynar cities, seeing that lack
of unity as a weakness in an 

853
00:46:57,300 --> 00:47:00,800
opportunity only to find they 
would in fact, unite to help 

854
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,300
each other against Invasion. 
After all the rhoynish warrior 

855
00:47:04,300 --> 00:47:07,900
with his silver scaled, armored 
fish head helm Tall, Spear and 

856
00:47:07,900 --> 00:47:11,300
turtle shell Shield was esteemed
and feared by all those who 

857
00:47:11,300 --> 00:47:13,500
faced him. 
In battle, we saw the scales on 

858
00:47:13,500 --> 00:47:17,000
Oberon though his work oper and 
the spear is familiar there as 

859
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:21,700
well over and use it, because 
he's a guy facing a larger fo I 

860
00:47:21,700 --> 00:47:24,000
needed to keep his distance 
until he could you know get that

861
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,300
poison in there. 
But that's a one-on-one fighting

862
00:47:26,300 --> 00:47:27,800
tactic. 
That's not how it works for a 

863
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,500
large armies Spears work. 
Great as a defensive weapon when

864
00:47:31,500 --> 00:47:34,500
there's a whole bunch of them 
all at once pointing in One 

865
00:47:34,700 --> 00:47:40,200
Direction, you know, the Eternal
Shield wall with their Spears. 

866
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,600
The turtle shell Shield is 
really cool sounding. 

867
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,600
I wonder what that looked like, 
probably like a turtle shell. 

868
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,200
Probably came in a variety of 
colors. 

869
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:52,100
Given the turtle imagery and his
status as a minor deity. 

870
00:47:52,100 --> 00:47:55,500
I imagine the old man of the 
river was prayed to on the eve 

871
00:47:55,500 --> 00:47:59,200
of countless battles. 
Might matter a lot that Turtles 

872
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,200
are everywhere on the Rhine. 
You know, symbol of battle here.

873
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,000
In there may be like Ravens on 
more traditional battlefields 

874
00:48:05,700 --> 00:48:08,000
and again I'm Tyrion sees them 
all over the place when he's 

875
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,300
traveling down the Rhine and 
that's a bit relevant because 

876
00:48:11,300 --> 00:48:14,200
George does love Turtles in real
life. 

877
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,000
They were the only pets. 
He was allowed to have through a

878
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,800
long portion of his childhood. 
You lived in a housing project 

879
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,100
and you're not allowed to have 
cats or dogs or animals like 

880
00:48:23,100 --> 00:48:26,400
that. 
He actually had names for these 

881
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,200
Turtles. 
He would give them names that 

882
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,900
were like knight names or King 
names and he would imagine them 

883
00:48:31,900 --> 00:48:35,000
having mock battles. 
I picture these chapters were, 

884
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,800
maybe a little extra fun for him
to write because of the turtle 

885
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:42,500
memories. 
Maybe you have like different 

886
00:48:42,500 --> 00:48:46,700
color designs and stuff for each
row in your city state. 

887
00:48:46,700 --> 00:48:49,100
You know, pink Force are high 
green for Kroy and something 

888
00:48:49,100 --> 00:48:50,400
like that. 
You know, like like different 

889
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,200
houses in Westeros. 
Have their colors and sigils ser

890
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,900
dontos, man. 
He loves those banners the 

891
00:48:55,900 --> 00:48:58,200
colors, right? 
He's he got all hyped about 

892
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:02,300
that, but Westeros has Banners 
are probably nothing like what 

893
00:49:02,300 --> 00:49:06,200
the rhoynar had you read. 
Keep is cool and all, but the 

894
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:11,300
rhoynar had much bigger places 
with More exotic colors for 

895
00:49:11,300 --> 00:49:14,700
building with, I mean, pink 
marble like whole building whole

896
00:49:14,700 --> 00:49:18,000
Palace made of pink marble. 
That's hard to imagine. 

897
00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:20,400
And that is what the end I was 
faced. 

898
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,700
When they came to conquer and 
failed, they may have thought 

899
00:49:23,700 --> 00:49:26,200
all the color and design was a 
sign of weakness. 

900
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,300
Warriors don't do that sort of 
thing, but it was certainly not 

901
00:49:29,300 --> 00:49:32,000
a sign of weakness. 
The maesters, believe the and 

902
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,800
alls learned ironworking from 
the rhoynar which seems rather 

903
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,000
ungrateful if you ask me. 
But conquerors are rarely 

904
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,400
polite. 
If the end I was attacked before

905
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,000
they had learned the secret of 
iron working. 

906
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,900
Well, no wonder went so badly 
for them and it reminds us of 

907
00:49:45,900 --> 00:49:47,400
the end. 
I was having steel verse. 

908
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:51,900
The first men who did not and 
metalworking is probably just 

909
00:49:51,900 --> 00:49:54,900
one example of the things. 
The rhoynar were ahead of the 

910
00:49:54,900 --> 00:49:57,200
curve on. 
It's just one of the few, we 

911
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:02,000
have explicit examples of 
Someone eventually even farther 

912
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,900
ahead of the curve on 
metalworking. 

913
00:50:03,900 --> 00:50:07,300
It's fair to say would be 
valyria and their fancy smancy 

914
00:50:07,300 --> 00:50:11,300
Valyrian steel, but that seems 
to involve magic probably blood 

915
00:50:11,300 --> 00:50:14,300
magic slavery and Human 
Sacrifice coming up again. 

916
00:50:14,500 --> 00:50:18,000
Something not exactly available 
to the runner as an option as 

917
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,500
far as their culture goes. 
It didn't seem to be cool or 

918
00:50:20,508 --> 00:50:24,700
permitted or practiced at all. 
Though, it was valyria and her 

919
00:50:24,700 --> 00:50:28,500
subjects that finally ended the 
long stretch of this rhoynar. 

920
00:50:28,500 --> 00:50:32,900
Peace, and prosperity era, 
eventually overpowering, even 

921
00:50:32,900 --> 00:50:35,600
their wartime, Unity. 
Well, the remains of the once 

922
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,300
great cities of the right are 
still exist. 

923
00:50:37,300 --> 00:50:40,700
While the same cannot be said 
for the Freehold there, blowed 

924
00:50:40,700 --> 00:50:43,000
up. 
But both Valyrian steel, and 

925
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,300
countless rhoynar Technologies 
are gone, but still there are 

926
00:50:46,300 --> 00:50:51,400
reminders Echoes of the past and
some of it is dangerous even 

927
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:55,300
now. 
Legacy of the ancient since. 

928
00:50:55,300 --> 00:50:59,500
Valeriya basically, you know 
exploded, there's just not much 

929
00:50:59,500 --> 00:51:02,300
left to see, you know, we 
there's the smoking ruins but 

930
00:51:02,300 --> 00:51:04,600
those aren't really buildings. 
Those are volcanoes. 

931
00:51:05,100 --> 00:51:08,300
We get ideas, though Dragonstone
is a good example. 

932
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:12,200
And then on the Rhine we have 
volantis which was built by 

933
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,900
valyria, and it's got its famous
black walls. 

934
00:51:15,100 --> 00:51:19,700
And it's even more famous, the 
Long Bridge, which is another 

935
00:51:19,700 --> 00:51:22,400
one of the wonders of the world.
According to lomez, longstride. 

936
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,400
It spans, one of the rinds 
Delta's. 

937
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:28,900
It's huge and the gateway to it.
The passageway into it is 

938
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,800
decorated kind of like 
Dragonstone. 

939
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:35,200
You got some of the same like, 
beasts and such fun fact there 

940
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,400
for you. 
So there are some examples out 

941
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:41,600
there but I'm not sure that even
those are going to really tell 

942
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,900
you what Valeri, looked like, 
because honestly volantis and 

943
00:51:45,900 --> 00:51:49,800
Dragonstone. 
I imagine that the valyrians of 

944
00:51:49,808 --> 00:51:52,400
the Freehold itself, the like, 
big Hoyt. 

945
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,400
You types the most wealthy and 
fancy types would probably 

946
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,900
considered, volantis like rural,
they probably would look down on

947
00:51:58,900 --> 00:52:01,900
it is just something rustic and 
just oh, how cute those country 

948
00:52:01,900 --> 00:52:05,500
folk. 
So, I don't know, Lomas didn't 

949
00:52:05,500 --> 00:52:07,500
see any of that. 
So we don't know for sure. 

950
00:52:07,500 --> 00:52:10,600
Just how amazing and epic. 
It was, maybe it wasn't quite as

951
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,200
amazing as I think it is, but I 
think it was pretty amazing. 

952
00:52:13,700 --> 00:52:16,000
Lomas would have certainly wrote
a lot about it, if he could 

953
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,900
have, but we don't get that. 
On the other hand, the children 

954
00:52:19,900 --> 00:52:22,500
of the forest they lift little 
sign of their existence in the 

955
00:52:22,508 --> 00:52:24,300
Realms of men. 
They didn't do a lot of building

956
00:52:24,700 --> 00:52:27,100
the creepy stuff in the cave of 
the three-eyed. 

957
00:52:27,100 --> 00:52:29,900
Crow side. 
The faces of the heart trees are

958
00:52:29,900 --> 00:52:33,200
basically all there is to remind
the ancient westerosi of the 

959
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,500
children and the few children 
left, keep out of sight. 

960
00:52:37,300 --> 00:52:40,900
So yeah, but the children of the
Rhine still exist in the world 

961
00:52:40,900 --> 00:52:43,900
and they're not hidden though, 
they are in vastly reduced 

962
00:52:43,900 --> 00:52:47,300
numbers. 
And ruins from the time when 

963
00:52:47,300 --> 00:52:50,700
they were plentiful are still 
there to keep some piece of the 

964
00:52:50,700 --> 00:52:54,000
past alive. 
The sunken Temple loomed up out 

965
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,900
of the grayness as yeah, Andre 
and duck, leaned upon their 

966
00:52:56,900 --> 00:53:01,200
poles and paced slowly from 
proud to stern, pushing they 

967
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,300
passed a marble stair that 
spiraled up from the mud and 

968
00:53:04,300 --> 00:53:09,100
ended jaggedly in are Beyond 
half, seen what other shapes 

969
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:14,100
shattered spires headless, 
statues trees with roots bigger 

970
00:53:14,100 --> 00:53:15,200
than their boat. 
Boat. 

971
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,900
This was the most beautiful city
on the river and the richest 

972
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:24,200
city, Andre groin the Festival 
City. 

973
00:53:24,500 --> 00:53:29,100
Okay, the past. 
It's sad but still a Festival 

974
00:53:29,100 --> 00:53:31,600
City man. 
That's a really cool idea. 

975
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,000
I really wonder about what that 
was like this. 

976
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,100
Jagged marble staircase we see 
in that quote and being an empty

977
00:53:37,100 --> 00:53:39,100
air. 
That's a real poignant image to 

978
00:53:39,100 --> 00:53:41,600
be sure at the very least 
implying, how much larger the 

979
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:46,900
place had once been and the most
beautiful and richest, imagine 

980
00:53:46,900 --> 00:53:49,300
that. 
But also know what isn't their 

981
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:54,000
fortifications walls? 
Any sign of Defense those things

982
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,500
weren't destroyed. 
So much is never present. 

983
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,600
In the first place you don't 
build in Marble because it's 

984
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,500
good for warding off enemies. 
In fact, it's pretty terrible at

985
00:54:02,500 --> 00:54:04,700
that. 
And the right are built, huge 

986
00:54:04,700 --> 00:54:07,200
temples, and palaces and other 
large buildings in the same 

987
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:11,000
manner using marble and other 
really cool and beautiful 

988
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,900
looking materials of dubious 
practicality. 

989
00:54:15,900 --> 00:54:18,900
Lomez, long Shredder would have 
had much to write about, had he 

990
00:54:18,908 --> 00:54:23,700
not been born so long after it 
was well-liked, like it is now 

991
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:29,500
Separate from what the City 
Planning and Building says about

992
00:54:29,500 --> 00:54:31,600
war. 
The marble tells us another 

993
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,600
interesting story, one, 
consistent with what we've seen 

994
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,300
so far all this marble. 
Had to come from somewhere and 

995
00:54:37,300 --> 00:54:40,600
the vastness of the Rhine would 
offer quite a few nearby sources

996
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,600
is options, big Trade Network, 
right? 

997
00:54:44,700 --> 00:54:48,200
The raw at the network allowed 
ideas and raw materials alike, 

998
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,200
to be shared along the area of 
the Rolling. 

999
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,700
I imagine architectural, secret 
spread faster building technique

1000
00:54:53,700 --> 00:54:57,900
spread faster Because everything
moves along quickly on a river. 

1001
00:54:57,900 --> 00:55:00,600
It's just faster than land 
travel, and people use it so 

1002
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:04,100
much. 
And if it's weird, and if things

1003
00:55:04,100 --> 00:55:07,200
aren't shared, then they're at 
least sold in the area. 

1004
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,400
They're at least they're, 
they're least available and 

1005
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,400
Tyrion passes by a lot of it and
gives us an idea. 

1006
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,200
Well, Tyrion could see with 
something massive rising from 

1007
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:20,900
the river humped and ominous. 
He took it for a hill, looming 

1008
00:55:20,900 --> 00:55:24,700
above a wooded island or some 
colossal Rock, overgrown with 

1009
00:55:24,700 --> 00:55:27,100
moss and Ferns and hidden by the
fog. 

1010
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,300
As the shy me, Drew nearer, 
though, the shape of It Came 

1011
00:55:31,300 --> 00:55:34,500
clearer. 
I wouldn't keep could be seen 

1012
00:55:34,500 --> 00:55:37,100
beside the water rotted and 
overgrown. 

1013
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,800
Slander spires took form above 
it. 

1014
00:55:40,100 --> 00:55:42,800
Some of them snapped off like 
broken Spears. 

1015
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:47,200
Roofless Towers appeared and 
disappeared thrusting, blindly 

1016
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:51,900
upward halls, and galleries 
drifted past graceful, 

1017
00:55:51,900 --> 00:55:55,400
buttresses Delicate. 
Arch has fluted columns, 

1018
00:55:55,400 --> 00:56:02,300
Terraces and Bowers All ruined, 
or desolate all Fallen. 

1019
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:08,000
The gray Moss grew thickly here,
covering Fallen stones and 

1020
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:12,100
great, mounds and bearding. 
All the towers black Vines, 

1021
00:56:12,100 --> 00:56:15,600
crept in and out of Windows 
through doors and over, archways

1022
00:56:15,900 --> 00:56:18,300
up the sides of the high stone 
walls. 

1023
00:56:18,900 --> 00:56:23,000
The fog concealed 3/4 of the 
palace but what they glimpsed 

1024
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,900
was more than enough for Tyrion 
to know that this island 

1025
00:56:25,900 --> 00:56:30,700
Fasteners had been ten times the
size of the red keep once and 

1026
00:56:30,700 --> 00:56:34,700
100 times more, beautiful. 
He knew where he was. 

1027
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,600
The Palace of love, he said, 
Softly. 

1028
00:56:40,100 --> 00:56:42,900
That was the Rhine. 
Our name said, Holden 

1029
00:56:42,900 --> 00:56:45,800
Hofmeister. 
But for a thousand years, this 

1030
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:51,500
has been the palace sorrow. 
The ruin was sad enough, but 

1031
00:56:51,500 --> 00:56:53,700
knowing what had had been made 
it even sadder. 

1032
00:56:54,500 --> 00:56:58,200
There was laughter here. 
Once Tyrion thought there were 

1033
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,900
Gardens bright with flowers and 
fountains sparkling golden, the 

1034
00:57:01,900 --> 00:57:07,300
Sun These steps once rang to the
sound of lovers footsteps and 

1035
00:57:07,300 --> 00:57:11,000
beneath that broken Dome, 
marriages Beyond count was 

1036
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:15,000
sealed with a kiss. 
Now, imagine someone saying to 

1037
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,600
Tyrion tap on the shoulder 
coming up saying I actually it's

1038
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,000
only been the Palace of Sorrow 
for 700 years. 

1039
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,900
Not a thousand you think he'd 
feel less sad. 

1040
00:57:22,900 --> 00:57:26,300
You think that would matter? 
Of course not he was thinking a 

1041
00:57:26,300 --> 00:57:30,900
bit or maybe a lot about Taisha 
here and his family and all 

1042
00:57:30,900 --> 00:57:33,400
these other things. 
He's lost the math on how long 

1043
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,400
ago is beautiful place was 
destroyed as irrelevant. 

1044
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,900
It was a long time ago, the 
couple couple of years, couple 

1045
00:57:38,900 --> 00:57:42,300
centuries, give or take does not
change anything anyway. 

1046
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,200
You look at it. 
The relevant parts are the love,

1047
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,600
and laughter are gone for the 
Palace of sorrow, and all the 

1048
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,500
great works of ruin our Beauty. 
And for Tyrion. 

1049
00:57:51,500 --> 00:57:56,200
And Taisha, the mother flows on 
the Rhine are of Fallen. 

1050
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,900
But mother, Ryan is still there.
And perhaps in the coming eons, 

1051
00:57:58,900 --> 00:58:01,300
our children will flourish as 
they once did. 

1052
00:58:01,300 --> 00:58:05,400
She's patient and inexorable and
it's certainly not as if her 

1053
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,100
banks are empty. 
Now it still did that there's so

1054
00:58:08,100 --> 00:58:11,400
much more potential for Life 
along her vast and varied 

1055
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:15,700
shorelines as there. 
Now, of course, part of that is 

1056
00:58:15,700 --> 00:58:18,500
due to things like threats 
nearby, like the Dothraki, the 

1057
00:58:18,500 --> 00:58:22,900
Eastern side of the Rhine and 
the Northern Area, it's a bit 

1058
00:58:22,900 --> 00:58:25,700
threatening, that's a very 
legitimate thing to worry about.

1059
00:58:25,700 --> 00:58:29,400
So, not a lot of people live in 
that area on the western side, 

1060
00:58:29,900 --> 00:58:32,900
the Western Bank, that is where 
the Dothraki won't go, because 

1061
00:58:32,900 --> 00:58:35,600
they're not so big on Crossing 
bodies of water. 

1062
00:58:36,500 --> 00:58:39,400
Well, we're told by Andre quote,
there is no law above the 

1063
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,900
Sorrows, not for a thousand 
years. 

1064
00:58:42,500 --> 00:58:46,000
Nola sure. 
But there are pirates. 

1065
00:58:46,100 --> 00:58:49,700
Well, that's often where Pirates
go to places where there is no 

1066
00:58:49,700 --> 00:58:53,000
laws and this includes the 
infamous shrouded. 

1067
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:54,900
Lord. 
And arguably worse. 

1068
00:58:54,900 --> 00:58:58,200
Things like the stone men. 
Not much in the way of safe 

1069
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:00,400
havens. 
Like towns this area of the 

1070
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,800
upper row in used to belong to 
volantis and they kept it 

1071
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,200
reasonably. 
Well, in hand at least kept away

1072
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:11,200
Pirates and well, there weren't 
Stone men for a while at least 

1073
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:12,100
no one can do anything about 
them. 

1074
00:59:13,500 --> 00:59:16,800
But violence is lost all that 
during the century of blood. 

1075
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:20,000
So currently it is not 
civilized. 

1076
00:59:20,700 --> 00:59:25,100
Once you get past those super 
fogs, it's kind of like night 

1077
00:59:25,100 --> 00:59:27,900
and day. 
In terms of civilization where 

1078
00:59:27,900 --> 00:59:32,400
what we just saw is night and 
where we're headed with this 

1079
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:36,300
quote is day. 
Now the round I should see us. 

1080
00:59:36,300 --> 00:59:40,300
Clear of the Sorrows said Holden
Hoffmeister from there on this 

1081
00:59:40,300 --> 00:59:42,800
should be a pleasure Cruise. 
There's a village around every 

1082
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:46,100
Bend along the lower Rhine 
Orchards and Vineyards and 

1083
00:59:46,100 --> 00:59:49,500
Fields of grain ripening. 
The sun fisherfolk on the water,

1084
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:54,400
hot baths, sweet, wines. 
So Loris various are and 

1085
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:58,200
voluntary this walled towns. 
So large they would be cities in

1086
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:00,600
the Seven Kingdoms. 
In recall. 

1087
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,800
There are only five true cities 
in Westeros. 

1088
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:08,000
So in this Alone. 
There are probably like three 

1089
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,800
white Harbors or three Lana 
sports or something like that. 

1090
01:00:12,100 --> 01:00:13,700
And there's so much more than 
that. 

1091
01:00:14,100 --> 01:00:17,600
That's just one section. 
They're still volantis one of 

1092
01:00:17,607 --> 01:00:19,100
the largest cities in the known 
world. 

1093
01:00:19,100 --> 01:00:22,800
For example, then consider all 
the ruined cities, we just 

1094
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:26,000
pulled noted past with Tyrion in
the crew of the shy made, and 

1095
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,700
imagine them full as they once 
had been. 

1096
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,000
So the people living on the 
rowing and just the wrong mind, 

1097
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,600
you not even the surrounding 
area, which can support a lot of

1098
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,700
Life to just that during the 
height of the row in our city 

1099
01:00:37,700 --> 01:00:41,700
stays, I think we're talking 
vastly larger numbers in the 

1100
01:00:41,700 --> 01:00:44,800
whole of Westeros, probably or 
close. 

1101
01:00:45,700 --> 01:00:49,300
Speaking of volantis they 
claimed Dominion of everything 

1102
01:00:49,300 --> 01:00:52,800
below, the Sorrows we hear it is
their dollies and control. 

1103
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,800
It's too much of a tangent you 
know, to discuss the possible 

1104
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:59,600
Uprising in volantis. 
Fully but we're going to touch 

1105
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:02,200
on it briefly a couple different
spots here in this episode. 

1106
01:01:02,300 --> 01:01:06,300
It could get very interesting if
volantis is thrown into chaos 

1107
01:01:06,500 --> 01:01:09,700
and their control over this area
is lost because it's such an 

1108
01:01:09,700 --> 01:01:13,300
important valuable place that 
Port area. 

1109
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:17,400
Meanwhile, up in the north, we 
saw what was going on in the 

1110
01:01:17,408 --> 01:01:21,000
Sorrows, but the ROI is so huge.
We didn't actually deal with the

1111
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,500
parts farther north of the 
Sorrows. 

1112
01:01:24,100 --> 01:01:26,800
The map shows us the area on the
world of Ice and Fire gives us 

1113
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,100
the details. 
The headwaters of the rhoynar 

1114
01:01:29,100 --> 01:01:32,100
controlled by nor vas which is 
nestled right in there. 

1115
01:01:32,100 --> 01:01:34,600
So make sense, they would have 
control of the surrounding area 

1116
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:36,800
and Navas, is a really rigid 
Society. 

1117
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:40,300
So I imagine they keep it tight 
lock on trade and piracy. 

1118
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,400
No, I'm just guessing, but this 
is a place that Rings bells to 

1119
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:46,300
indicate when it's okay to have 
sex and eat. 

1120
01:01:46,300 --> 01:01:50,200
So I don't know that I'm 
stretching things too much here.

1121
01:01:50,500 --> 01:01:54,500
Seems like they would have 
strict attitudes about that. 

1122
01:01:54,500 --> 01:01:56,800
It doesn't seem like this kind 
of attitude would have been 

1123
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:58,900
prominent when the reuter, We're
running the area though. 

1124
01:01:58,900 --> 01:02:00,300
I don't think they would have 
been so strict. 

1125
01:02:00,300 --> 01:02:02,800
They seem more relaxed and 
peaceful and happy easygoing. 

1126
01:02:03,300 --> 01:02:06,700
Yeah. 
Who knows north of our Neu? 

1127
01:02:07,100 --> 01:02:09,200
We have the area controlled by 
cohort. 

1128
01:02:09,500 --> 01:02:12,800
We know they deal quite a lot in
Timber and Furs and other goods 

1129
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:14,500
from the great florist of 
cohort. 

1130
01:02:14,500 --> 01:02:17,400
That's a stands to reason having
the ability to defend their 

1131
01:02:17,700 --> 01:02:21,500
nearby Waters being important 
for making sure trade is going 

1132
01:02:21,500 --> 01:02:24,500
smoothly. 
But it also, this is a city 

1133
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:27,700
known for cruelty and possibly 
human sacrifice and blood magic.

1134
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:31,100
It not unlike what we said about
nor Voss is probably not what 

1135
01:02:31,100 --> 01:02:34,700
this area was like, culturally 
when the rhoynar were around, 

1136
01:02:34,700 --> 01:02:38,700
but it would be interesting to 
know if some vestiges of ruin 

1137
01:02:38,700 --> 01:02:41,200
our civilization influence these
places. 

1138
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:45,600
Now, it is this area between our
Neu and the Sorrows that we 

1139
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:49,400
talked about is considered 
Lawless, but Wallace isn't 

1140
01:02:49,500 --> 01:02:53,500
always so bad when the 
alternative is slavery. 

1141
01:02:53,500 --> 01:02:58,800
Say practice in volantis, norvos
and coal or like, And these are 

1142
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:00,800
among the so-called the free 
cities. 

1143
01:03:01,500 --> 01:03:04,200
Yeah. 
Though many of the inhabitants 

1144
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:07,700
are miserable or dangerous or 
cruel many are not. 

1145
01:03:07,700 --> 01:03:09,300
And no matter the quality of the
people's. 

1146
01:03:09,300 --> 01:03:13,000
There's a lot of Life along the 
Rhine as we should expect. 

1147
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,300
There's no reason to think such 
a fertile, River would cease to 

1148
01:03:15,300 --> 01:03:17,900
be such. 
I mean this isn't a shy by the 

1149
01:03:17,900 --> 01:03:19,800
Shadow, or the whole river is 
turned it. 

1150
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:21,900
Whatever it's turned into out 
there. 

1151
01:03:22,700 --> 01:03:24,900
So I guess there's some reason 
to think this could happen but 

1152
01:03:24,900 --> 01:03:27,300
it didn't. 
I suppose we could say, the 

1153
01:03:27,300 --> 01:03:31,100
people there now are as much or 
more children of valyria than 

1154
01:03:31,100 --> 01:03:33,300
they are. 
Children of mother roin I'll see

1155
01:03:33,300 --> 01:03:35,600
her in the same light. 
They see her as a right, not a 

1156
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:39,200
privilege. 
The attitude of allowing others 

1157
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:43,000
to share mother ruins Bounty 
paid off for uncounted years but

1158
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,000
eventually it was taken 
advantage of at first valyria 

1159
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:47,700
win. 
For easier pickings Conquering 

1160
01:03:47,700 --> 01:03:51,300
the ghiscari, then finally, the 
N dolls while simply moving in 

1161
01:03:51,300 --> 01:03:52,900
alongside the ruin. 
Our they were fighting these 

1162
01:03:52,900 --> 01:03:56,900
other people while just living 
amongst the rhoynar grabbing the

1163
01:03:56,900 --> 01:04:01,000
empty space before they got to 
the phase of fighting over it 

1164
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,500
all. 
The Freehold was strong and 

1165
01:04:03,500 --> 01:04:07,200
sorcery as we all. 
Well know, and I wonder how that

1166
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,200
came into play when they were 
building colonies, was it 

1167
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:13,400
relevant at all? 
Maybe not, but it might have 

1168
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:15,400
helped grow. 
That might have had something to

1169
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:20,100
do with farming or establishing 
cities and towns and places the 

1170
01:04:20,100 --> 01:04:23,900
Rhine are hadn't, maybe, you 
know, affecting the terrain, I 

1171
01:04:23,908 --> 01:04:25,300
don't know. 
There's there's different 

1172
01:04:25,300 --> 01:04:28,200
possibilities who were talking 
about large-scale magic, who 

1173
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:31,900
knows? 
And they had eons to do this. 

1174
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:36,700
Meaning filling in these gaps 
where the rowing our weren't. 

1175
01:04:36,700 --> 01:04:40,800
Why didn't the rhoynar live in 
some of these places that the 

1176
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,200
valyrians took? 
I mean, they had thousands of 

1177
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,200
years to move into the spots and
they never did. 

1178
01:04:45,700 --> 01:04:49,000
So I that's part of why I'm 
guessing maybe magic and 

1179
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:50,300
something to do with that baby 
Valeri. 

1180
01:04:50,300 --> 01:04:53,000
The valyrians had magic that 
allowed them to settle in areas 

1181
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:54,200
at the runner, couldn't, you 
know? 

1182
01:04:55,300 --> 01:04:57,500
Turning swamp into something 
solid who knows? 

1183
01:04:57,500 --> 01:05:01,900
Who knows? 
And but maybe we're talking, 

1184
01:05:01,900 --> 01:05:06,700
maybe while we're on the subject
of magic here Melisandre talks 

1185
01:05:06,700 --> 01:05:10,900
about hinges of the world, a 
concept that seems to indicate 

1186
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,800
magic works better in some 
places than others. 

1187
01:05:14,500 --> 01:05:17,700
Maybe certain parts of the 
Rhine, we're more potent than 

1188
01:05:17,700 --> 01:05:21,700
others and that's why the Rhine 
are picked those specific bends 

1189
01:05:21,700 --> 01:05:25,500
or turns, or just, who knows how
they In debt. 

1190
01:05:25,500 --> 01:05:29,600
But that would explain why they 
lived in some areas on the Rhine

1191
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:33,600
and not others. 
They definitely have Tales of 

1192
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:37,800
water-based sorcery you know 
kind of like the Fire and Blood 

1193
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:42,600
Tales of sorcery from valyria 
and that my fandom family is our

1194
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:44,800
next topic. 
Coming up after the mid-roll 

1195
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,800
break, we're going to get into 
the water magic. 

1196
01:05:50,900 --> 01:05:53,200
A fierce shout out to our blood 
Riders. 

1197
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:56,400
Versace wielder of a Valyrian 
steel arakh with a dragon bone. 

1198
01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:00,200
Hilt and kohal coey called some 
piercer wielder of a dragon 

1199
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:03,400
bone, Bo kho. 
All Kali has kneecapped a client

1200
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:06,200
who dodged calls that were 
keeping him out of jail. 

1201
01:06:06,700 --> 01:06:11,800
Honestly, that's rather merciful
if you ask me, Also shout-out to

1202
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:16,400
Sir Terrence night of the Cedars
and the Mangum talks podcast. 

1203
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,800
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talks.com. 

1204
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:24,800
That's spelled man, gum 
talks.com and to our sellsword. 

1205
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:27,500
Captain's Peter, blaze of the 
Emerald Isle captain of The 

1206
01:06:27,500 --> 01:06:29,300
weirwood Wanderers to Long 
lives. 

1207
01:06:29,300 --> 01:06:32,800
Quick deaths, cold beer, and 
warm women, Day Grand Marshal of

1208
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:36,100
the axe, captain of the red tide
resistance is futile. 

1209
01:06:36,300 --> 01:06:38,400
Chiron calls. 
BeIN captain of the stone 

1210
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:40,700
Shields, the torrent breaks upon
the stone. 

1211
01:06:41,300 --> 01:06:42,900
Hey, Melman. 
Captain of the whispering. 

1212
01:06:42,900 --> 01:06:47,000
Children, dead men, tell, no 
secrets, introducing shepherd, 

1213
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,900
shepherd of essos. 
All men are sheep before ship 

1214
01:06:49,900 --> 01:06:52,200
part of essos. 
He is are true. 

1215
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:54,300
Hema ailment of the whispering 
children. 

1216
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:58,400
One day, he shall be Captain 
lady, Lazar Adagio. 

1217
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:01,400
The iron Lily Master Archer 
castellan of the summer Island. 

1218
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,800
Keep arboreal Point captain of 
The all-female Wailing widows 

1219
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,800
Women & Children. 
First Cody, the Crimson bastard 

1220
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:10,500
of bracken captain of the red 
waste Exiles and recruiter of 

1221
01:07:10,500 --> 01:07:12,100
the free Folk. 
Cameron. 

1222
01:07:12,100 --> 01:07:14,800
The hammer of horn would captain
of the English lions with the 

1223
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,400
motto. 
Honor is the reward of virtue 

1224
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:20,200
Lord, Brandon Brewer of Castle. 
Black Rune is captain of The 

1225
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,600
Shadow. 
Wolves are steel is cold our 

1226
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:26,500
Vengeance colder, and last but 
not least, black Alex, and the 

1227
01:07:26,500 --> 01:07:29,400
bastard of Spears leader of the 
Bermuda Vanguard. 

1228
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:33,600
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Let's get back to Mother roaring

1240
01:08:09,500 --> 01:08:12,800
Aquaman. 
See Alton music flourished in 

1241
01:08:12,808 --> 01:08:16,399
the cities of the roin and it is
said that people had their own 

1242
01:08:16,399 --> 01:08:20,399
magic, a water magic, very 
different from the Sorceress of 

1243
01:08:20,399 --> 01:08:25,200
valyria which were woven of 
blood and fire later in the 

1244
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:29,200
episode will be discussing War. 
And in the accounts we have of 

1245
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:31,800
those Wars. 
The term water wizard is used a 

1246
01:08:31,808 --> 01:08:34,700
couple of times and implied 
quite a few other times. 

1247
01:08:34,700 --> 01:08:38,600
I think it's a safe assumption 
that this is awesome. 

1248
01:08:39,399 --> 01:08:43,000
Instead of fire volcanoes lava 
sulfur and such we have water 

1249
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:46,800
walls, waterspouts floods, 
harrowing fogs, and swamps and 

1250
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:49,200
such. 
So let's delve into that. 

1251
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:52,500
See what there is to see here. 
It was said the mother ruin 

1252
01:08:52,500 --> 01:08:55,600
herself whispered to her 
children of every threat and the

1253
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:59,700
rhoynish princes wielded. 
John Kenny Powers that rhoynish,

1254
01:08:59,700 --> 01:09:02,700
women fought as fiercely as 
rhoynish men and that their 

1255
01:09:02,700 --> 01:09:06,800
cities were protected by watery 
walls that would rise to drown 

1256
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:09,500
any foe. 
As it is with anything magical, 

1257
01:09:09,899 --> 01:09:12,000
the stories are usually 
inflated. 

1258
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:16,000
The maesters don't exactly know 
how to record magic perfectly 

1259
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:18,300
right there just because this 
really what happened. 

1260
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:20,600
You know, the measures are a lot
of times are against magic so 

1261
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:23,300
you know it's a difficult 
challenge for them to record 

1262
01:09:23,300 --> 01:09:28,700
these things, but we can Be 
nonetheless pretty sure that 

1263
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:32,899
these stories are real inflated 
stories doesn't mean made up 

1264
01:09:32,899 --> 01:09:36,200
stories, right? 
The part about whispering to her

1265
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:39,500
children that bit of the quote 
about letting them know if 

1266
01:09:39,500 --> 01:09:42,899
threats that sounds like reading
the future in Flames or 

1267
01:09:42,899 --> 01:09:47,899
something you know like some 
kind of foretelling but it could

1268
01:09:47,899 --> 01:09:51,600
be something more mundane like 
Word of Mouth travels faster. 

1269
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:54,700
When you have ships to send a 
messenger boats going back and 

1270
01:09:54,700 --> 01:09:55,800
forth. 
That's a lot faster. 

1271
01:09:56,000 --> 01:10:00,400
And you know on foot or by 
horse, maybe not faster than 

1272
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,800
Ravens though but still fast 
enough. 

1273
01:10:04,100 --> 01:10:09,400
And then we hear the stories of 
water levels rising and falling 

1274
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:15,900
at very specific times. 
Very opportune times for the 

1275
01:10:15,900 --> 01:10:18,800
rhoynar. 
Now, I tend to think a lot of 

1276
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:22,200
these stories are more mundane 
in nature but only some of them 

1277
01:10:22,300 --> 01:10:24,400
because after all, these are 
people who have lived along the 

1278
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:30,200
river for eons, they understand 
flooding and flooding cycles and

1279
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:34,400
dams and things of that, I think
they would Have a very 

1280
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:37,300
sophisticated understanding of 
these Concepts and they would 

1281
01:10:37,300 --> 01:10:41,100
have some technology like dams 
and sluice Gates and all sorts 

1282
01:10:41,100 --> 01:10:45,400
of stuff like imagine riverrun 
and how they can put up dams and

1283
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:48,700
isolate the castle on the river 
like a giant mode stuff like 

1284
01:10:48,700 --> 01:10:52,800
that but even more fancy now 
stuff that's now long destroyed 

1285
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:54,100
though. 
So we wouldn't be able to know 

1286
01:10:54,100 --> 01:10:58,000
exactly what it is. 
But also the magic right. 

1287
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:04,200
These things can overlap we here
now Of how when the rhoynar 

1288
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:07,100
first settled in Dorne that 
quote, it is said that the 

1289
01:11:07,100 --> 01:11:10,100
ruinous water, which is new 
secret spells that made dry 

1290
01:11:10,100 --> 01:11:12,600
streams flow again and deserts 
bloom. 

1291
01:11:13,700 --> 01:11:16,100
But this I'm a little skeptical 
about this. 

1292
01:11:16,100 --> 01:11:20,100
Sounds like just advanced 
irrigation techniques like new 

1293
01:11:20,100 --> 01:11:23,000
technology that the locals 
weren't familiar with. 

1294
01:11:23,300 --> 01:11:26,700
Kind of like how your on was 
called magical by some fellow 

1295
01:11:26,700 --> 01:11:30,400
ironborn for simply sailing more
efficiently. 

1296
01:11:30,500 --> 01:11:32,400
All right. 
He went out of sight of land 

1297
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:35,200
which the iron more like whoa, 
what's he doing? 

1298
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:37,900
This is sorceress but really, 
that's just good sailing. 

1299
01:11:37,900 --> 01:11:40,600
That's just a more advanced 
technique, nothing magic about 

1300
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:44,800
it. 
And in this case, also, if the 

1301
01:11:44,808 --> 01:11:47,900
water, which is, were making the
deserts Bloom and making dry 

1302
01:11:47,900 --> 01:11:51,700
streams flow again. 
Where is that now, Doran doesn't

1303
01:11:51,700 --> 01:11:57,100
seem to have evidence of 
long-term expansion of their 

1304
01:11:57,100 --> 01:11:59,900
water, right? 
It's still mostly desert down 

1305
01:11:59,900 --> 01:12:02,700
there if they could have done 
that back. 

1306
01:12:02,700 --> 01:12:06,000
Then either the effect is worn 
off or they lost the ability to 

1307
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:08,500
do it or it was all exaggerated 
in the first place. 

1308
01:12:08,900 --> 01:12:11,300
So I think that's knowledge not 
Magic. 

1309
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:15,400
But sometimes within the shadow 
of mystery lies the possibility 

1310
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:17,100
for that mundane explanation 
here. 

1311
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:23,200
But other times magic is the 
only possible explanation Meyer 

1312
01:12:23,300 --> 01:12:26,300
and flood. 
Yeah, I was really proud of 

1313
01:12:26,308 --> 01:12:31,200
myself for this pun. 
Sorry, on the side of examples 

1314
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:33,200
that we can't rationalize away. 
Here we go. 

1315
01:12:33,700 --> 01:12:37,500
We have one example here from 
Prince Garin, the great quote, 

1316
01:12:37,500 --> 01:12:40,300
so long as the Army remain 
beside mother Roy in the prince 

1317
01:12:40,300 --> 01:12:43,600
declare, they need not fear, the
dragons of valyria, their own 

1318
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:45,100
water. 
Wizards would protect them 

1319
01:12:45,100 --> 01:12:48,600
against the fires of the 
Freehold it's entirely possible.

1320
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:51,500
This is not an actual quote, but
just majorly embellishment. 

1321
01:12:51,500 --> 01:12:54,900
But if it is, the idea that 
something mundane like just 

1322
01:12:54,900 --> 01:12:57,200
water, the river could stop 
dragon flame. 

1323
01:12:57,200 --> 01:12:59,800
That's a bit over the top. 
So I think he's referring to 

1324
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:03,100
real magic. 
Right water alone gonna stop. 

1325
01:13:03,100 --> 01:13:07,500
Dragon fire, I don't think so. 
So earlier we mentioned the lack

1326
01:13:07,500 --> 01:13:10,200
of fortifications on the ruined,
ruined our cities. 

1327
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:14,400
Well, this might Explain the 
lack of fortifications who needs

1328
01:13:15,300 --> 01:13:19,600
real stone walls, when you have 
so-called watery walls that rise

1329
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:23,800
when you need them. 
Maybe they weren't so lacks on 

1330
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:25,700
defense. 
After all, they just had other 

1331
01:13:25,700 --> 01:13:28,600
options that maybe we didn't 
give them credit for it first. 

1332
01:13:29,300 --> 01:13:32,500
Similarly, we have these Tales 
of flooding and like I said, a 

1333
01:13:32,508 --> 01:13:35,100
lot of them seem like they could
be mundane but some of them are 

1334
01:13:35,100 --> 01:13:39,400
just undeniably magical. 
Assuming what we're told is 

1335
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:42,500
accurate, the rhoynar didn't 
enslave people as far as we 

1336
01:13:42,500 --> 01:13:46,700
know, this is an interesting 
side topic because what did the 

1337
01:13:46,700 --> 01:13:49,700
ruin our do with captured 
prisoners is it possible? 

1338
01:13:49,700 --> 01:13:52,800
They sacrificed enemies to 
mother rhoyne like Drowning like

1339
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:56,200
the ironborn do. 
Yeah, we have nothing to suggest

1340
01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:59,500
this so I'll guess no. 
But a recurring theme were 

1341
01:13:59,500 --> 01:14:01,900
presented with. 
In Martin's world, is that 

1342
01:14:01,900 --> 01:14:04,700
great? 
Magic has great cost, flooding, 

1343
01:14:04,700 --> 01:14:08,800
whole City's, doesn't sound like
a lesser magic, so maybe they're

1344
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:15,300
just that powerful. 
But Maybe they had to offer 

1345
01:14:15,300 --> 01:14:18,400
something. 
Maybe it did take blood or 

1346
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:20,600
sacrifice of some kind to 
generate this kind of magic. 

1347
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:22,700
I mean, think about the children
of the forest and their nature 

1348
01:14:22,700 --> 01:14:25,700
magic. 
They have, you know, similar 

1349
01:14:25,700 --> 01:14:28,500
related, kind of Magic. 
The flooding of the neck is a 

1350
01:14:28,508 --> 01:14:31,000
perfect example that is 
attributed to them. 

1351
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:33,800
And that's water, right? 
Huge amounts of water. 

1352
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:37,000
And there's some tales that 
maybe there was some blood magic

1353
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:40,800
involved in making that happen. 
This could be another one of 

1354
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:44,300
those cases of magical overlap 
still, there's no evidence 

1355
01:14:44,300 --> 01:14:47,300
whatsoever that the running. 
Our sacrifice people to create 

1356
01:14:47,300 --> 01:14:50,100
Magic, just started out there 
though because it parallel so 

1357
01:14:50,100 --> 01:14:52,400
well with some of these other 
things that are awfully similar,

1358
01:14:53,700 --> 01:14:57,400
As we saw in the last section, 
all those Old Roy in our cities 

1359
01:14:57,400 --> 01:15:00,900
are mostly below water level now
and that's why Paul boats are 

1360
01:15:00,900 --> 01:15:03,000
such a great choice in these 
parts and that reminds us of 

1361
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:06,300
braavos. 
They have all the same kind of 

1362
01:15:06,300 --> 01:15:07,800
situation there. 
There's water all over their 

1363
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:09,600
city and pull. 
Those are perfect there. 

1364
01:15:09,900 --> 01:15:11,700
And hey, braavos is pretty 
foggy. 

1365
01:15:11,700 --> 01:15:15,700
To but Bravo's is partly under 
water because it's been sinking,

1366
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:19,900
very gradually volantis says 
been sinking too. 

1367
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:24,400
Well, maybe that's why the ruins
of cities are flooded now, just 

1368
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:26,600
because it's been so long and 
they've gradually sunk under 

1369
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:28,500
water. 
I mean, we can understand why 

1370
01:15:28,500 --> 01:15:30,900
they're ruined, that's thanks to
valyria but to valyrians use 

1371
01:15:30,900 --> 01:15:35,500
fire they didn't flood them. 
As far as we know, it's sad we 

1372
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:38,000
said and but we don't see a lot 
of burn ruins either. 

1373
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:41,700
They're all just flooded. 
So, hmm, if there were burned, 

1374
01:15:41,700 --> 01:15:43,900
burned ruins. 
Those are either gone or built 

1375
01:15:43,900 --> 01:15:48,500
over or just something, but the 
underwater ones are still there.

1376
01:15:48,500 --> 01:15:50,600
That's what remains that's what 
we have. 

1377
01:15:50,700 --> 01:15:55,400
To see into the past with. 
Maybe the flooding was caused by

1378
01:15:55,500 --> 01:15:58,400
destroyed system of dams or 
Unleashed, you know, something 

1379
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:01,700
simple like that. 
But again, in several cases, 

1380
01:16:01,700 --> 01:16:03,700
it's the conquerors themselves 
that are get flooded. 

1381
01:16:03,700 --> 01:16:07,000
We're not going to guess that 
valeriya took a city, then blow 

1382
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:09,000
the dams up and fled to 
themselves, right? 

1383
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:11,400
That doesn't make any sense. 
Yeah, I kind of flood their own 

1384
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:12,900
people. 
They're not they may not know 

1385
01:16:12,900 --> 01:16:15,900
what they're doing with these 
dams but they're not that dumb 

1386
01:16:15,900 --> 01:16:18,900
so that's probably not it. 
Here's an idea. 

1387
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:23,900
Perhaps like the valyrians 
sorcerers holding back the Fire 

1388
01:16:23,900 --> 01:16:26,800
and force of the Fourteen Flames
with sorcery. 

1389
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:30,300
Maybe rhoynish water. 
Wizards prevented mother ruin 

1390
01:16:30,300 --> 01:16:33,300
from flooding certain spots from
flooding her cities. 

1391
01:16:34,700 --> 01:16:40,400
And during these wars may be so 
many of these magic users were 

1392
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:43,600
killed off. 
That mother Owen was started to 

1393
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:45,900
run rampant again. 
You know, it wasn't quite the 

1394
01:16:45,900 --> 01:16:49,400
effective, the volcanoes all 
blowing up at once, but the 

1395
01:16:49,407 --> 01:16:51,800
concept is similar, I think you 
can, you can see that. 

1396
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:54,300
I think it's pretty close. 
And of course, the religious 

1397
01:16:54,300 --> 01:16:58,800
significance, here is huge. 
To many it would look like 

1398
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:01,200
mother. 
Ryan was rejecting the 

1399
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:02,800
newcomers. 
Flooding them. 

1400
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:04,800
They're not her children. 
After all, they came from 

1401
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:08,500
elsewhere. 
So you can see why Believers 

1402
01:17:08,500 --> 01:17:13,400
would interpret these natural 
events as engineered by their 

1403
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:17,000
goddess. 
But whatever the truth of the 

1404
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:20,100
runner capabilities. 
They're like I said with the 

1405
01:17:20,100 --> 01:17:23,100
dornish deserts, there's not a 
lot of hint of it existing. 

1406
01:17:23,100 --> 01:17:26,500
Now we don't see any of it in 
the song of ice and fire but 

1407
01:17:26,500 --> 01:17:28,700
magic is on the upswing in the 
series, isn't it? 

1408
01:17:29,100 --> 01:17:33,200
So maybe we will see it because,
well, if we did, this would be 

1409
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:36,700
the time soon or near the end or
and then whatever the last two 

1410
01:17:36,700 --> 01:17:42,900
books, whatever we get And I say
little sign of it literally. 

1411
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:47,500
Meaning there is some, it's not 
all gone, and it might turn out 

1412
01:17:47,500 --> 01:17:50,300
to be a big part of the story. 
So let's talk about that. 

1413
01:17:50,900 --> 01:17:57,000
The gray, death Tyrion 5, A 
Dance with Dragons damper said 

1414
01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:00,400
to be the culprit. 
He said foul humors in the are 

1415
01:18:00,900 --> 01:18:04,200
not curses. 
The Congress did not believe 

1416
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:07,200
either. 
He were Hill said, he Scylla the

1417
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:10,500
man of volantis and valyria 
Hungarian in a golden cage and 

1418
01:18:10,500 --> 01:18:13,600
made mock as he called upon his 
mother to destroy them. 

1419
01:18:13,900 --> 01:18:17,200
But in the night the waters Rose
and drowned them and from that 

1420
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:19,000
day to this, they have not 
rested. 

1421
01:18:19,300 --> 01:18:21,200
They are down there. 
Still beneath the water. 

1422
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:24,800
They who are once the Lords of 
fire, they're called breath 

1423
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:26,700
rises from the Merc to make 
these frogs. 

1424
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:29,300
And their flesh has turned a 
Stony as their hearts. 

1425
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:33,100
The stump of Tyrion to nose was 
itching fiercely. 

1426
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:36,300
He gave to scratch, the old 
woman, may be right. 

1427
01:18:36,500 --> 01:18:41,200
This place is no good grayscale.
Well, it's definitely a fantasy 

1428
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:46,000
disease, so my calling it 
magical holds up, right? 

1429
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:49,600
Especially with tyrion's Sense 
on the matter slowly turning 

1430
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:51,900
into a stone person that attacks
people. 

1431
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:55,900
Yeah, that's that's fantasy and 
it does remind us a bit of 

1432
01:18:55,900 --> 01:18:58,400
what's going on in North. 
Not the north of the Rhine, 

1433
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:00,700
which I've been referring to 
you, but The north of Westeros, 

1434
01:19:00,700 --> 01:19:02,500
the normal North that we talked 
about. 

1435
01:19:03,100 --> 01:19:06,300
Don't forget that Val, normally 
kind of flip it person. 

1436
01:19:06,300 --> 01:19:08,800
Adamantly declares that Shireen 
is a dead. 

1437
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:13,300
Girl Val is rarely serious. 
But this is one of those times, 

1438
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:15,700
John says, during was cured of 
it. 

1439
01:19:15,700 --> 01:19:19,000
She only has scarring, Val says 
it's only sleeping. 

1440
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:23,600
She says, quote, the child is 
not clean the wildlings, call it

1441
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:26,400
the gray death. 
That's a nasty, your name. 

1442
01:19:27,100 --> 01:19:30,500
Imagine it Awakening in poor 
Shireen and her Coming a little 

1443
01:19:30,500 --> 01:19:32,800
girl Stone man. 
Who Stone? 

1444
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:35,400
Girl? 
If Serena is going to be burned 

1445
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:39,000
bring back John hey she's the 
stone. 

1446
01:19:39,500 --> 01:19:44,200
He's the dragon awaken dragons 
from Stone not going to work if 

1447
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:48,200
it's decided Shireen has to die 
because of her infection. 

1448
01:19:49,900 --> 01:19:53,100
Well, peaches infecting people 
that would be a reason to have 

1449
01:19:53,100 --> 01:19:56,900
to regrettably put her down 
sounds harsh. 

1450
01:19:56,900 --> 01:20:01,800
But Melisandre could suggest 
this would give her death more 

1451
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:04,300
meeting like we have to put her 
to death, She's infecting people

1452
01:20:04,300 --> 01:20:07,500
but we could benefit from it at 
the same point, you know. 

1453
01:20:07,700 --> 01:20:10,100
This strikes me as more 
plausible than burning her for 

1454
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:14,300
you know really bad weather but 
we're talking about a different 

1455
01:20:14,300 --> 01:20:19,500
kind of crap weather here in on 
the Rhine we have creepy fog. 

1456
01:20:19,700 --> 01:20:25,400
That are kind of magical and, 
you know, these, the water 

1457
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:27,900
moving in certain ways. 
It doesn't really make sense. 

1458
01:20:27,900 --> 01:20:30,500
Exactly. 
So we've got the same kind of 

1459
01:20:30,508 --> 01:20:36,100
natural magic going on bad snow 
storms, bad fogs different part 

1460
01:20:36,100 --> 01:20:38,600
of the world. 
On that note, we have magical 

1461
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:40,400
evidence Beyond grayscale, 
though. 

1462
01:20:41,700 --> 01:20:45,000
She mentions the drowning of 
many men from volantis and 

1463
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:47,600
valyria and the fog. 
Yeah, here we go. 

1464
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:51,000
Let's talk about this fog. 
It's unnatural to the lanterns 

1465
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:54,200
had been lit for and aft, but 
the fog was so thick that all 

1466
01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:57,400
the dwarf could see from 
amidships was a light floating 

1467
01:20:57,400 --> 01:21:00,200
out ahead of him. 
And another following behind his

1468
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:03,400
own task, was, to tend the 
Brazier and make certain that 

1469
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:07,900
the fire did not go out. 
I will remind you again, the 

1470
01:21:07,900 --> 01:21:11,000
Tyrion is a fairly grounded guy,
but he's willing to believe 

1471
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:14,600
quite a lot in this case, 
because his own senses and 

1472
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:19,900
thoughts are pointing to a 
conclusion that this is Magic. 

1473
01:21:19,900 --> 01:21:23,400
This is real, and this is 
frightening and it's about to 

1474
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:26,900
get worse. 
This is no common folk who got 

1475
01:21:26,900 --> 01:21:29,900
Hill. 
He still insisted it stinks of 

1476
01:21:29,900 --> 01:21:33,400
sorcery, as you would know, if 
you had a nose to smell it, many

1477
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:35,500
of Voyager has been lost here. 
Paul. 

1478
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:38,300
Boats and Pirates and Great 
River galleys to they wander 

1479
01:21:38,300 --> 01:21:40,500
forlorn. 
Do the myths, searching for a 

1480
01:21:40,508 --> 01:21:42,300
son. 
They cannot find until Madness 

1481
01:21:42,300 --> 01:21:45,700
or hunger claim their lives. 
There are restless spirits in 

1482
01:21:45,700 --> 01:21:49,500
the air here and tormented Souls
below the water. 

1483
01:21:50,300 --> 01:21:54,200
There's one now. 
So Tyrion off to starboard a 

1484
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:57,300
hand large enough to crush. 
The boat was reaching up from 

1485
01:21:57,300 --> 01:22:01,300
the murky depths only the tops 
of two fingers broke the river 

1486
01:22:01,300 --> 01:22:04,700
surface, but does the shy made. 
He's Don passed. 

1487
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:08,500
He could see the The upper hand 
Rippling below the water and a 

1488
01:22:08,508 --> 01:22:13,100
pale face looking up though, his
tone was light, he was uneasy. 

1489
01:22:13,300 --> 01:22:18,600
This was a bad place rank with 
Despair and death is still has 

1490
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:21,300
not wronged. 
This fog is not natural. 

1491
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:25,600
Something foul, grew in the 
waters here and festered in the 

1492
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:27,800
air. 
Small. 

1493
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:32,700
Wonder the stone men, go mad is 
that really a stone Valerian or 

1494
01:22:32,700 --> 01:22:36,700
volunteen person down there that
he's seeing like a their final 

1495
01:22:36,700 --> 01:22:40,100
pose as they died. 
I could be a statue that could 

1496
01:22:40,100 --> 01:22:42,700
be a dead Snowman. 
No I can see it go either way 

1497
01:22:42,700 --> 01:22:47,500
and the fact that we don't know 
that mystery makes it even 

1498
01:22:47,500 --> 01:22:50,800
cooler and creepier it's great 
writing, great decision making 

1499
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:52,500
by George on how to lay this 
out. 

1500
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:58,700
But even that isn't as overtly 
magical as this next bit. 

1501
01:22:58,900 --> 01:23:02,300
It's one of the most overtly 
magical things. 

1502
01:23:02,300 --> 01:23:04,800
We see in the whole series, 
something that even a skeptic 

1503
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:08,100
can't explain away something 
that the half Meister, who is a 

1504
01:23:08,100 --> 01:23:13,100
bit of a skeptic calls 
inconceivable like The Princess 

1505
01:23:13,100 --> 01:23:17,000
Bride. 
On the labboard side of the boat

1506
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:21,300
a huge stone hand was visible. 
Just below the water, two 

1507
01:23:21,300 --> 01:23:25,300
fingers, broke the surface. 
How many of those are there? 

1508
01:23:25,500 --> 01:23:29,000
Tyrion wondered a trickle of 
moisture and down his spine and 

1509
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:33,200
made him shudder the Sorrows 
drifted by them peering Through 

1510
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:37,800
The Mists, he glimpsed a broken 
Spire, a headless hero, an 

1511
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:40,700
ancient tree, torn from the 
ground and upended. 

1512
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:44,600
It's huge Roots twisting through
the roof and windows of a broken

1513
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:48,200
do. 
Why does all of this seem so 

1514
01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:53,300
familiar? 
Straight on a tilted stairway of

1515
01:23:53,300 --> 01:23:57,100
pale marble, rose up out of the 
Dark Water and a graceful, 

1516
01:23:57,100 --> 01:24:01,200
spiral ending abruptly, 10 feet,
above their heads. 

1517
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:05,700
No, Tyrion thought that is not 
possible. 

1518
01:24:06,500 --> 01:24:09,000
This is the scene where the home
of the stone, man. 

1519
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:12,900
The bridge of dream, a spot 
they've already passed comes 

1520
01:24:12,900 --> 01:24:15,400
again. 
The passage is really well 

1521
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:17,000
written and hits us with quite 
the surprise. 

1522
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:19,500
This kind of overt magic is not 
what we're accustomed to. 

1523
01:24:19,500 --> 01:24:23,300
So It really kind of comes out 
of nowhere and it tells us there

1524
01:24:23,300 --> 01:24:25,900
is Magic on the Rhine, and there
can be little doubt of it. 

1525
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:29,800
It drew if you hadn't gotten it 
by that point in those chapters.

1526
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:32,600
If this is like George is making
sure that we get it here. 

1527
01:24:33,500 --> 01:24:37,100
And as I said earlier, in this 
section, the Magical elements 

1528
01:24:37,100 --> 01:24:40,600
are picking up as we go deeper 
into the Epic of A Song of Ice 

1529
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:42,300
and Fire. 
And we're learning more about 

1530
01:24:42,300 --> 01:24:45,200
Dorn and we'll probably spend 
more time there in the Winds of 

1531
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:50,300
Winter than we have before. 
So we might see some of this or 

1532
01:24:50,300 --> 01:24:54,400
something else like it after 
all, grayscale came around as 

1533
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:57,600
they say because of garin's 
curse, which may not be true. 

1534
01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:01,800
But regardless they say it and 
it matters that they say this it

1535
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:04,900
came after Garrett had lost this
final war against Bolivia. 

1536
01:25:04,900 --> 01:25:07,600
His moment. 
His curse came in this waning 

1537
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:11,600
moments of the war when he was 
forced to watch his people die 

1538
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:14,000
and be enslaved. 
This is the same war that 

1539
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:17,000
featured much of the magic. 
We've just discussed along with 

1540
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:18,200
the magic of the Freehold and 
there. 

1541
01:25:18,300 --> 01:25:21,300
Against this, is that same war 
that left, the cities of the 

1542
01:25:21,300 --> 01:25:25,000
Rhine that Tyrion just saw in 
the state. 

1543
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:28,300
They are now and it's the same 
war that led to nine areas, 

1544
01:25:28,300 --> 01:25:31,400
great Odyssey. 
And of course, the winners of 

1545
01:25:31,700 --> 01:25:35,200
this great series of Wars was 
valyria, who are now gone and 

1546
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:38,200
volantis, who are still there 
and very powerful. 

1547
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:40,900
But in the descriptions, we get 
of volantis. 

1548
01:25:40,900 --> 01:25:45,200
It's clear that this power of 
theirs is waning, we mentioned 

1549
01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:48,700
the strong possibility of a 
slave revolt and it's Worse than

1550
01:25:48,700 --> 01:25:53,900
that because said, slave revolt,
if it happens is not unlikely to

1551
01:25:53,900 --> 01:25:57,400
be backed by the Temple of real,
or obviously, not a force to be 

1552
01:25:57,400 --> 01:26:01,900
taken lightly and the 
worshippers of real, or have 

1553
01:26:02,100 --> 01:26:04,200
their largest temple in 
volantis. 

1554
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:08,000
So they have a huge presence 
there, Tyrion and Quentin both. 

1555
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:12,500
Go there in person to volantis 
and notice the rot, the Decay, 

1556
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:15,600
the corruption, The Great Divide
and rights between rich and 

1557
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:18,300
poor, even setting aside slavery
that divided. 

1558
01:26:18,700 --> 01:26:20,100
Here's a, quote, the tells us 
about it. 

1559
01:26:21,100 --> 01:26:27,200
Tyrion 7A Dance with Dragons, 
Mighty volantis grandest and 

1560
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:29,400
most populous of the nine free 
cities. 

1561
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:32,400
Ancient Wars had a populated 
much of the city. 

1562
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:36,200
However and large areas of 
Atlantis had begun to sink back 

1563
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:40,500
into the mud on which it, stood,
beautiful, volantis city of 

1564
01:26:40,500 --> 01:26:44,500
flowers and fountains but half 
fountains or dry. 

1565
01:26:44,900 --> 01:26:48,200
Half the pools cracked and 
stagnant flowers. 

1566
01:26:48,300 --> 01:26:51,700
In Vines sent up creepers from 
every crack in the wall or 

1567
01:26:51,700 --> 01:26:55,200
pavement and young trees are 
taken root in the walls of 

1568
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:59,700
abandoned shops. 
And roofless temples sinking 

1569
01:26:59,700 --> 01:27:02,600
into the mud. 
That's some straightforward 

1570
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:05,800
symbolism for the decline. 
I mentioned and the rest of 

1571
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:08,800
description leaves, no doubt. 
As to that the quote mentions 

1572
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:12,200
ancient Wars. 
Also, that would mostly be those

1573
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:17,100
wars during the century of 
blood, but those as far back as 

1574
01:27:17,100 --> 01:27:20,700
the conflicts, with the Our 
might have an impact as well, 

1575
01:27:21,300 --> 01:27:24,900
Fight Fire with water. 
So we've already talked about 

1576
01:27:24,900 --> 01:27:27,900
Garin skirts and the ruins of 
the rowing, our cities and a lot

1577
01:27:27,900 --> 01:27:30,400
of what it's like now. 
But we haven't talked about the 

1578
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:33,200
wars that triggered the curse 
and caused the ruination. 

1579
01:27:33,500 --> 01:27:38,100
So let's rewind a bit. 
Oh, that was bad. 

1580
01:27:38,100 --> 01:27:41,800
Right after. 
Conquering, the ghiscari, the 

1581
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:44,200
valyrians turned West. 
As slavers Bay is pretty far to 

1582
01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:45,900
the East. 
And for a while Beyond it is 

1583
01:27:45,900 --> 01:27:48,400
mostly desert. 
Not as much worth. 

1584
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:52,200
Conquering over there, they 
started settling alongside the 

1585
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:54,700
runner, like we said earlier, 
just settling, not fighting 

1586
01:27:54,700 --> 01:27:57,300
because well, the wrong number 
welcoming. 

1587
01:27:57,300 --> 01:28:00,200
They allow this to happen. 
So no need to fight for 

1588
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:01,500
something that's being given to 
you. 

1589
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:03,500
Also, there were easier pickings
to the north. 

1590
01:28:03,900 --> 01:28:07,100
The and also we mentioned 
earlier So instead of attacking 

1591
01:28:07,100 --> 01:28:09,900
the runner cities, they just 
lived their founding their own 

1592
01:28:09,900 --> 01:28:13,600
cities in relative peace, nearby
while sending armies North to 

1593
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:16,700
conquer and enslave the N dolls 
in the opening, quote of the 

1594
01:28:16,700 --> 01:28:18,100
episode. 
We hear that there's gold in 

1595
01:28:18,100 --> 01:28:20,400
that area where the end all is 
used to live which we know the 

1596
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:22,800
valyrians lust for like they do 
in their minds. 

1597
01:28:23,500 --> 01:28:27,400
Ironically this led to the and 
Al's fleeing to Westeros where 

1598
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:30,000
they would eventually find the 
rhein are showing up looking for

1599
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:34,500
Refuge fleeing from the same 
threat, many centuries later. 

1600
01:28:35,700 --> 01:28:38,800
Living alongside the rhoynar 
eventually caused issues as we 

1601
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:41,800
know. 
But these issues started slowly 

1602
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:46,700
and gradually at first, there 
were small conflicts usually 

1603
01:28:46,700 --> 01:28:48,900
resolved quickly. 
But over time, the conflicts 

1604
01:28:48,900 --> 01:28:52,800
grew bloodier and involve 
progressively larger numbers of 

1605
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:56,100
soldiers, more people involved 
until it was eventually like a 

1606
01:28:56,100 --> 01:28:58,600
full-scale fair. 
The Rhine are verse the Freehold

1607
01:28:58,900 --> 01:29:02,600
the earliest violence began 
about 250 years before nymeria 

1608
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:04,900
led the survivors away in their 
tents. 

1609
01:29:05,100 --> 01:29:08,100
Thousand ships. 
So yeah, 250 years before the 

1610
01:29:08,100 --> 01:29:10,700
worst of the violence occurred, 
like I said, it took a while to 

1611
01:29:10,700 --> 01:29:14,900
get going in, this was indeed a 
slow burn, but it also means 

1612
01:29:14,900 --> 01:29:18,300
that under nymeria and Garin the
great and all their 

1613
01:29:18,300 --> 01:29:21,800
contemporaries, they had been 
living under and directly facing

1614
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:23,900
the threat of valerian expansion
for Generations. 

1615
01:29:23,900 --> 01:29:26,500
They grew up in this situation, 
it wasn't something that 

1616
01:29:26,508 --> 01:29:29,200
happened during their lifetimes.
They were born into it, the 

1617
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:32,100
peaceful idyllic history, we 
Glimpse through tyrion's Journey

1618
01:29:32,100 --> 01:29:34,800
Down, mother Rowan was already a
thing of the past. 

1619
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:37,200
Prior to nightmare is day. 
They were already in this sort 

1620
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:38,600
of state of. 
I don't know. 

1621
01:29:38,600 --> 01:29:41,900
Decline may not be the right 
word, but it wasn't as 

1622
01:29:41,900 --> 01:29:44,600
prosperous. 
It wasn't as say safe for 

1623
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:47,100
peaceful. 
There's probably a shadow 

1624
01:29:47,100 --> 01:29:51,000
hanging on the horizon. 
Before the conflict with 

1625
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:53,600
valyria, it seems they never 
faced a threat anywhere near as 

1626
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:58,400
remotely dangerous or greedy or 
cruel as the Freehold whatever 

1627
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:01,300
had come before. 
They had managed to defeat. 

1628
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:05,400
But even though the Freehold 
eventually took them down, it 

1629
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:08,000
wasn't directly them. 
Who got it started. 

1630
01:30:08,100 --> 01:30:12,000
Not if we're being precise. 
It was volantis, volantis Drew 

1631
01:30:12,700 --> 01:30:16,100
valyria into it. 
But originally, it was simply 

1632
01:30:16,100 --> 01:30:19,500
those valyrians who had settled 
along. 

1633
01:30:19,700 --> 01:30:24,600
Ryan, they were the trigger 
tigers and elephants the two 

1634
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:27,200
political parties of the line. 
Just to this day, are the tigers

1635
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:29,200
and elephants. 
And they can tell us a lot about

1636
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:32,300
how these clashes began. 
The tigers are the old blood of 

1637
01:30:32,300 --> 01:30:34,000
Leiria. 
They tend to look down on those 

1638
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:37,400
who aren't, and don't marry 
Outsiders to not, you know, 

1639
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:40,500
water down the Bloodlines and as
a political body, they're what 

1640
01:30:40,500 --> 01:30:44,700
we call at least here in the US.
A war hawks, a different animal,

1641
01:30:45,100 --> 01:30:49,200
similar point. 
They both favor military 

1642
01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:51,600
intervention and the Tigers 
case, it's particularly cynical.

1643
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:54,400
As it's a largely a means to 
expand and enrich their city or 

1644
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:58,000
more likely themselves. 
The elephants are also enriching

1645
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:01,100
the city or more likely 
themselves but they push this 

1646
01:31:01,100 --> 01:31:03,600
through trade and mercantilism 
which make no mistake can be 

1647
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:07,900
very ugly, brutal and cruel and 
they trade in human beings, but 

1648
01:31:08,100 --> 01:31:11,300
they don't trade in War ll, they
don't push forward. 

1649
01:31:11,300 --> 01:31:14,300
I'm sure they're fine to profit 
off of it, but they also don't 

1650
01:31:14,300 --> 01:31:16,900
care nearly as much about old 
blood, so they're bad. 

1651
01:31:17,100 --> 01:31:20,200
Not as bad as the Tigers. 
These two parties took over 

1652
01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:23,000
after the doom and it seems 
likely they existed prior to 

1653
01:31:23,008 --> 01:31:26,500
that though, just with less 
power valyria is unlikely to 

1654
01:31:26,500 --> 01:31:29,500
have been involved in the 
day-to-day Affairs of volantis 

1655
01:31:29,500 --> 01:31:31,200
member. 
Before I talk about how volantis

1656
01:31:31,200 --> 01:31:34,300
would have been important, but, 
you know, still kind of rustic 

1657
01:31:34,300 --> 01:31:36,900
and Rural. 
So they're not going to get too 

1658
01:31:36,900 --> 01:31:41,000
involved in local politics, like
many empires which do, you know,

1659
01:31:41,008 --> 01:31:43,700
they weren't really an Empire 
but they were close enough to an

1660
01:31:43,708 --> 01:31:45,700
Empire. 
They would expect taxes and 

1661
01:31:45,700 --> 01:31:48,900
troops and Allegiance. 
As long as I got that they're 

1662
01:31:48,900 --> 01:31:52,400
not really going to care about 
local politics tigers and 

1663
01:31:52,700 --> 01:31:54,700
elephants who cares? 
They got Sorcerers and dragon 

1664
01:31:54,700 --> 01:31:58,100
lord and volcanoes to worry 
about but still the point is the

1665
01:31:58,100 --> 01:32:00,600
tigers and elephants were 
probably a major factor in 

1666
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:04,600
Volant volunteer politics before
they became the major factor in 

1667
01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:07,600
volunteen politics. 
So the Tigers led volantis to 

1668
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:11,000
near ruin as they overreach 
during the century of blood and 

1669
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:13,500
the volunteers learned a lesson 
about conquest and War. 

1670
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:16,500
I strongly believe Atlantis had 
their Collective heads in the 

1671
01:32:16,500 --> 01:32:20,200
past At this time yet, it was 
selective memory because they 

1672
01:32:20,300 --> 01:32:24,000
somehow forgot the historical 
lesson of dragons, which was 

1673
01:32:24,900 --> 01:32:29,300
they had success when valyria 
was there to back up them in 

1674
01:32:29,300 --> 01:32:31,300
these wars? 
Because a lot of times it's said

1675
01:32:31,300 --> 01:32:35,600
that when things went badly for 
them, they called in, you know, 

1676
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:39,400
the big boys back at the 
Freehold and that got them out 

1677
01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:41,400
of the fire. 
Well, I got them into the fire 

1678
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:43,100
but that was a good thing 
anyway. 

1679
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:47,500
The reason volantis comes out on
top in the long term after all. 

1680
01:32:47,500 --> 01:32:52,400
This is for a couple of reasons.
It's the disunity of the ROI in 

1681
01:32:52,407 --> 01:32:55,300
our cities at first was a big 
part and the fact that they were

1682
01:32:55,300 --> 01:32:58,900
willing to be more cruel and 
dastardly, but once the Royal 

1683
01:32:58,900 --> 01:33:04,200
tart unite, they started winning
until the dragons got involved 

1684
01:33:04,200 --> 01:33:05,800
until lots of dragons got 
involved. 

1685
01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:09,600
So I think the tiger faction 
back in ancient days, the 

1686
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:12,000
trigger these, when these 
conflicts were triggered. 

1687
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:14,700
I think the elephants were Ones 
who were like. 

1688
01:33:14,700 --> 01:33:17,700
Yeah, let's live alongside them 
and trade with them. 

1689
01:33:17,900 --> 01:33:19,400
Let's just do that. 
That's great. 

1690
01:33:19,800 --> 01:33:21,800
That makes us money. 
We were all benefit from that 

1691
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:24,100
the Tigers though, know that I 
wasn't cool with them. 

1692
01:33:24,100 --> 01:33:25,900
They want to conquer. 
That's just how they are. 

1693
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:29,000
They pushed they provoked. 
They escalated, you name it. 

1694
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:31,200
They wanted to fight. 
They thought they could win and 

1695
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:33,400
they were right. 
This may be part of why the 

1696
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:36,900
tiger faction Rose to prominence
in the early days, following the

1697
01:33:36,900 --> 01:33:39,400
Doom. 
After the Doom things didn't go 

1698
01:33:39,400 --> 01:33:43,900
well for volantis, but it took 
decades for things to go bad. 

1699
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:47,800
We at first it went well in 
other words War had worked out 

1700
01:33:47,800 --> 01:33:49,900
well for them in the past. 
So why not keep up that 

1701
01:33:49,900 --> 01:33:52,800
tradition? 
The Tigers were doing, well, 

1702
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:55,700
leading them to victories. 
Why not let the Tigers lead them

1703
01:33:55,700 --> 01:33:58,800
to more victories? 
Well because they didn't have 

1704
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:01,900
dragons backing them anymore. 
That's why, you know fought 

1705
01:34:01,900 --> 01:34:05,500
against volantis when they tried
to take over Larry's, 

1706
01:34:05,500 --> 01:34:08,900
possessions during the century 
of blood, aegon the Conqueror 

1707
01:34:09,200 --> 01:34:13,500
and he's one of them kind of by 
their standards, they prize the 

1708
01:34:13,500 --> 01:34:16,700
old blood, Didn't his blood is 
better than theirs. 

1709
01:34:16,900 --> 01:34:19,200
You know, again by their 
standards is blood of the Dragon

1710
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:22,300
versus just you know blood 
behind the Black Walls, whatever

1711
01:34:22,300 --> 01:34:26,400
they call that the elephants 
have ruled volantis since the 

1712
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:28,000
Tigers great failure. 
They're like, well, I'm not 

1713
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:31,800
gonna let them screw us over 
like that again because in 

1714
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:35,600
politics failure is partisan. 
The elephants are the winners 

1715
01:34:35,700 --> 01:34:37,600
they have been doing well, 
they've been bringing great 

1716
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:40,200
profits to the city. 
Why would anyone want to mess 

1717
01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:45,500
with that? 
Well, well, let me tell you 

1718
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:48,700
until now, things might be 
changing. 

1719
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:51,300
It may be that the Tigers are in
power. 

1720
01:34:51,300 --> 01:34:54,800
Again, we do not yet know, the 
result of the recent volunteen 

1721
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:58,800
elections, which we saw taking 
place in a dance of dragons, but

1722
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:01,200
the city is getting ready for 
war. 

1723
01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:05,600
We here even that the elephants 
have stripes which is a, 

1724
01:35:05,900 --> 01:35:08,000
obviously, a way of saying that 
the elephants are acting like 

1725
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:11,100
tigers which means they're 
acting warlike and their target 

1726
01:35:11,100 --> 01:35:17,100
of This is Daenerys Targaryen 
another parallel to nymeria 

1727
01:35:17,100 --> 01:35:22,700
here, and like, aegon the 
Conqueror, she has better blood 

1728
01:35:22,700 --> 01:35:26,900
than these volunteers who are 
all hoity-toity about being, you

1729
01:35:26,900 --> 01:35:31,300
know, ancient blooded. 
So, also like the century of 

1730
01:35:31,300 --> 01:35:34,400
blood, like, egg on volantis is 
going to have to deal with a 

1731
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:36,700
Targaryen on a huge black 
dragon. 

1732
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:42,600
Will they ever learn? 
And even though she's directly 

1733
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:45,600
related to egg on the first 
Danny, again is much more like 

1734
01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:50,400
nymeria here as she is like hang
on despite being at that same 

1735
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:54,300
quote, unquote, better bloodline
then the Black Walls of Atlantis

1736
01:35:54,300 --> 01:35:56,800
families. 
Danny is their enemy because 

1737
01:35:56,800 --> 01:36:00,300
she's smashing the slave trade 
and eventually, she'll probably 

1738
01:36:00,300 --> 01:36:03,800
smash them if they don't get 
themselves smashed some other 

1739
01:36:03,800 --> 01:36:05,800
way before she gets chance to do
it. 

1740
01:36:06,100 --> 01:36:08,800
What a change. 
What a reversal that is. 

1741
01:36:10,700 --> 01:36:13,200
And yet volantis still has their
Collective heads in their ass. 

1742
01:36:13,300 --> 01:36:17,000
I mean, past not only did they 
try to conquer vast swaths of 

1743
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:20,300
essos without dragons and fail. 
Not only did they face a dragon 

1744
01:36:20,300 --> 01:36:22,900
and fail? 
They are set to run that all 

1745
01:36:22,900 --> 01:36:26,000
back again. 
Well, also facing a possible 

1746
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:28,600
slave revolt. 
Thanks to the red priests I 

1747
01:36:28,600 --> 01:36:30,800
mentioned earlier, and don't 
forget that these red priests 

1748
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:32,500
are openly calling Daenerys as 
Aura. 

1749
01:36:32,500 --> 01:36:36,200
Hi, good luck. 
Ordering zealots to stand by. 

1750
01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:40,300
While you attack their literal 
savior, the city and the Navy of

1751
01:36:40,300 --> 01:36:43,700
the Dentists are full of real or
worshipping slaves. 

1752
01:36:44,500 --> 01:36:48,300
Volantis is screwed folks. 
I believe we're going to see it 

1753
01:36:48,300 --> 01:36:51,400
fall and fall spectacular, Ali. 
I've seen it compared to 

1754
01:36:51,400 --> 01:36:54,400
Atlantis. 
The name is similar and Atlantis

1755
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:58,600
sunk into the sea as volantis is
already doing slowly as we saw 

1756
01:36:58,600 --> 01:37:01,900
in the quote. 
But despite ruin our magic 

1757
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:05,100
though, and the fact that so 
many of the cities of the Rhine 

1758
01:37:05,100 --> 01:37:07,300
are flooded. 
I don't know, that I'd guess 

1759
01:37:07,300 --> 01:37:10,300
flooding will do in, volantis I 
expect it will burn. 

1760
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:13,500
Whether it sinks down or burns 
up or both, either way, it's 

1761
01:37:13,500 --> 01:37:16,000
kind of facing. 
Its own sort of mini Doom 

1762
01:37:16,500 --> 01:37:20,300
somewhere, close on the horizon 
and the children of mother. 

1763
01:37:20,300 --> 01:37:23,600
Roin may have some small measure
of Revenge for what was done to 

1764
01:37:23,608 --> 01:37:28,700
them long ago and what was done 
to them long ago, all started 

1765
01:37:28,700 --> 01:37:32,900
over a turtle and in a sense 
Song of Ice and Fire started on 

1766
01:37:32,900 --> 01:37:36,400
Turtles to on NPR. 
After George mentioned, how he 

1767
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:39,900
imagined his pet turtles is 
Knights and kings and 

1768
01:37:39,900 --> 01:37:42,300
interviewer. 
Ask him, wait a minute. 

1769
01:37:42,300 --> 01:37:45,300
Are you telling me that the 
original model for the warring 

1770
01:37:45,300 --> 01:37:49,900
houses of Stark and Lannister 
were two turtles and George said

1771
01:37:50,500 --> 01:37:55,500
yes. 
Turtles and spices, the rhoynar 

1772
01:37:55,500 --> 01:37:58,300
themselves showed little 
interest in expansion. 

1773
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:02,600
The river was their home, their 
mother and their God and few of 

1774
01:38:02,600 --> 01:38:05,400
them wish to dwell beyond the 
sound of her Eternal song. 

1775
01:38:06,100 --> 01:38:09,400
When adventurers Exiles and 
Traders from the Freehold of 

1776
01:38:09,400 --> 01:38:12,900
valyria began to expand beyond 
the lands of the long summer, 

1777
01:38:12,900 --> 01:38:16,500
after the end of the fifth 
ghiscari War, the rhoynish, 

1778
01:38:16,500 --> 01:38:19,500
prince has embraced them at 
first and their priests glad 

1779
01:38:19,500 --> 01:38:22,300
that all men were welcomed to 
share in the Bounty of mother. 

1780
01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:26,100
I mean, as those first Valyrian 
outposts grew into towns and 

1781
01:38:26,108 --> 01:38:29,600
those towns into cities, 
however, some rhoynar came to 

1782
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:34,600
regret the forbearance of their 
fathers Amity gave way to emnity

1783
01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:38,400
particularly upon the Lower 
River with the ancient city of 

1784
01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:42,200
San Mel and the Wold Valyrian 
Townville on the Terrace faced 

1785
01:38:42,200 --> 01:38:45,600
each other across the waters. 
And on the shores of the summer 

1786
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:48,600
sea, with a free city of 
Atlantis soon. 

1787
01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:50,900
Rivaled the storied Port of 
Sorrow Joy. 

1788
01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:54,900
Each of them Landing one of 
mother Owens for mouths. 

1789
01:38:55,900 --> 01:38:58,500
Stage is set. 
We're given the names of the 

1790
01:38:58,500 --> 01:39:02,600
players who got it going? 
Sorry, Mel versus voluntary sand

1791
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:04,600
volantis versus sorry. 
Why are the big names? 

1792
01:39:04,600 --> 01:39:07,700
But clearly went beyond those 
for those two sets of Rivals, 

1793
01:39:07,700 --> 01:39:10,200
proximity was an issue. 
They appear to have competed 

1794
01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:12,300
over trade opportunities, 
probably among other things. 

1795
01:39:12,300 --> 01:39:14,900
Maybe fishing got crowded or 
disrupted by industry. 

1796
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:18,100
There's lots of things neighbors
could fight over and we see how 

1797
01:39:18,100 --> 01:39:20,900
both traditional major ruler 
types, the princes and the 

1798
01:39:20,900 --> 01:39:24,400
priests both were welcoming 
Outsiders, which is about as 

1799
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:26,600
strong as an endorsement. 
So, we can get when the to, you 

1800
01:39:26,608 --> 01:39:31,100
know, most uplifted parts of 
society or saying, yes, do this.

1801
01:39:31,100 --> 01:39:32,800
Then that's that's a really 
strong endorsement. 

1802
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:36,600
So it's basically policy but 
again, they're all these things 

1803
01:39:36,600 --> 01:39:39,400
neighbors can fight over policy,
doesn't mean that things are 

1804
01:39:39,400 --> 01:39:42,700
actually working out that well, 
on the ground floor, the princes

1805
01:39:42,700 --> 01:39:45,500
and Priests wanted to believe 
this would work out, but it may 

1806
01:39:45,500 --> 01:39:49,000
not have been so smooth for the 
Common People disputes between 

1807
01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:52,700
the citizens of the Rival cities
became ever more common and 

1808
01:39:52,700 --> 01:39:56,500
ever, more rancorous finally 
giving To a series of short but 

1809
01:39:56,500 --> 01:40:00,600
bloody wars Star, Mel and Valen.
Theris were the first cities to 

1810
01:40:00,600 --> 01:40:04,000
meet in battle, Legend claims 
that The Clash began. 

1811
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:07,100
When the valyrians netted and 
butchered one of the gigantic 

1812
01:40:07,100 --> 01:40:09,200
Turtles. 
The rhoynar called the old men 

1813
01:40:09,200 --> 01:40:13,200
of the river and held sacred as 
the consorts of mother roin 

1814
01:40:13,200 --> 01:40:16,300
herself. 
The first Turtle War, lasted, 

1815
01:40:16,300 --> 01:40:20,500
less than a moons turn. 
Sorry Mel was raided and burned.

1816
01:40:20,700 --> 01:40:24,000
Yet emerged Victorious, when 
rhoynish water Wizards called up

1817
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:27,100
the power of the river. 
River and flooded voluntarist 

1818
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:32,400
half the city was washed away. 
If the Tails can be believed, we

1819
01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:35,800
talked about the turtles causing
Wars earlier and here we are. 

1820
01:40:36,100 --> 01:40:39,400
It may have been as simple as 
some, you know, unknowing 

1821
01:40:39,400 --> 01:40:41,200
Valyrian fisherman. 
Just killing the turtle without 

1822
01:40:41,200 --> 01:40:42,700
realizing how much it meant 
though. 

1823
01:40:42,700 --> 01:40:45,500
Seriously how would be hard as 
hell to kill one of those 

1824
01:40:45,500 --> 01:40:46,700
things? 
I think it would take a lot of 

1825
01:40:46,700 --> 01:40:49,800
people to do that. 
Mario and Luigi would be 

1826
01:40:49,800 --> 01:40:53,800
valyrians for sure. 
Father, fighting Turtles. 

1827
01:40:54,600 --> 01:40:56,700
I wonder if The water Wizards 
have their own form of for 

1828
01:40:56,700 --> 01:40:58,800
telling I talked about that 
earlier, some way of seeing in 

1829
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:01,300
the future, like the greenseers,
and the priests of real, or 

1830
01:41:01,300 --> 01:41:04,000
gazing into the flame, why not 
gazing into mother roin, right? 

1831
01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:05,700
It's a pretty cool place to see 
Visions. 

1832
01:41:05,700 --> 01:41:07,800
Actually, this is a fun idea to 
play with. 

1833
01:41:07,800 --> 01:41:09,500
So did they see these wars 
coming? 

1834
01:41:09,800 --> 01:41:12,500
In other words, did they see 
their own fall? 

1835
01:41:12,900 --> 01:41:16,100
Did they see their own City's 
flooded and ruined, they seem 

1836
01:41:16,100 --> 01:41:19,100
nymeria in Dorne. 
What did that mean to them? 

1837
01:41:19,100 --> 01:41:21,100
If they saw that? 
Did they see the stone man? 

1838
01:41:21,900 --> 01:41:27,500
Did they see the Doom of valyria
in the Future and misread it as 

1839
01:41:27,500 --> 01:41:31,300
their own eventual victory. 
Lot of possibilities. 

1840
01:41:31,300 --> 01:41:35,100
Here is very fertile ground for 
fun, theorizing, and perhaps 

1841
01:41:35,100 --> 01:41:37,300
we'll learn more someday. 
You know, there's more to come, 

1842
01:41:37,300 --> 01:41:40,900
there's Fire and Blood Part 2 
and there's more books coming. 

1843
01:41:40,900 --> 01:41:44,200
He met delve deeper into some of
this stuff, but for now, we do 

1844
01:41:44,200 --> 01:41:46,400
know that this proximity 
continue to cause friction. 

1845
01:41:46,400 --> 01:41:50,300
So we'll work with that all the 
rules followed, however, the war

1846
01:41:50,300 --> 01:41:53,800
of three princes, the second 
Turtle War, the Fisherman's 

1847
01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:58,500
Wharf salt War, the third Turtle
War, the war on dagger Lake the 

1848
01:41:58,500 --> 01:42:02,100
spice Or and many more too 
numerous to recount here. 

1849
01:42:02,300 --> 01:42:06,100
Cities and towns were burned. 
Drowned we built thousands were 

1850
01:42:06,100 --> 01:42:09,000
killed or enslaved and these 
conflicts. 

1851
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:11,700
The valyrians emerged as 
Victor's more often, than not, 

1852
01:42:12,200 --> 01:42:15,400
the princes of the roin fiercely
proud of their independence 

1853
01:42:15,800 --> 01:42:20,100
fought alone whilst the Valyrian
colonies aided one another and 

1854
01:42:20,100 --> 01:42:23,600
when hard-pressed called upon 
the power of the Freehold 

1855
01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:26,000
itself. 
That's a great name for the 

1856
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:29,900
right spice War, not unlikely to
be a nod to And by the way, 

1857
01:42:29,900 --> 01:42:33,400
where the spice must flow is a 
major part of the story. 

1858
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:37,200
It's very valuable. 
And so is real spices though. 

1859
01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:41,800
Real world spices and spices 
from essos, very valuable. 

1860
01:42:41,800 --> 01:42:45,300
So, it could be a fight over 
money and it could be both the 

1861
01:42:45,300 --> 01:42:46,900
warm three. 
Princes, that's a cool name. 

1862
01:42:46,900 --> 01:42:49,100
Sounds interesting. 
And very didn't have princes, so

1863
01:42:49,400 --> 01:42:51,900
maybe this is one of those rare 
cases where multiple rhoynish 

1864
01:42:51,900 --> 01:42:54,500
city states joined together. 
But obviously, I'm just guessing

1865
01:42:55,100 --> 01:42:57,100
and earlier, I made the point 
about volantis needing help 

1866
01:42:57,100 --> 01:42:59,600
sometimes right knowing that 
they could count On it when 

1867
01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:01,400
needed. 
And that was mentioned here. 

1868
01:43:01,500 --> 01:43:03,400
That's where kind of where I got
the idea. 

1869
01:43:03,500 --> 01:43:05,600
And what form did that help come
in. 

1870
01:43:06,400 --> 01:43:08,600
Well, usually it would probably 
be money or soldiers. 

1871
01:43:08,600 --> 01:43:11,500
Sometimes it might involve 
Sorcerers of the Freehold and 

1872
01:43:11,500 --> 01:43:13,200
certainly they were sometimes 
dragons. 

1873
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:18,100
We're not sure how often though 
getting dragons involved might 

1874
01:43:18,100 --> 01:43:22,100
have been rare you know it's 
what I suspect and here's why 

1875
01:43:22,100 --> 01:43:23,800
when the war's Reach the Turning
Point? 

1876
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:26,800
Look what happened? 
This series of conflicts, 

1877
01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:29,200
reached a bloody climax, A 
Thousand Years. 

1878
01:43:29,500 --> 01:43:33,500
And the second spice War when 
three Valyrian dragonlords 

1879
01:43:33,500 --> 01:43:36,000
joined with their kin and 
cousins and volantis to 

1880
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:40,800
overwhelm sack and destroys our 
Hoy, the great rhoynar Port City

1881
01:43:40,900 --> 01:43:43,700
upon the summer. 
See the Warriors of Sorrow 

1882
01:43:43,700 --> 01:43:46,000
Hawaii. 
Were slaughtered savagely, their

1883
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:49,800
children, carried off into 
slavery and they're proud pink 

1884
01:43:49,800 --> 01:43:53,100
City. 
Put to the torch afterward the 

1885
01:43:53,100 --> 01:43:56,100
volunteen, sewed. 
The smoking ruins with salt. 

1886
01:43:56,500 --> 01:43:59,200
So that's our boy might never 
rise again. 

1887
01:43:59,700 --> 01:44:03,300
A brutal breakthrough for 
volantis and I suspect it may 

1888
01:44:03,300 --> 01:44:06,100
have been the first time the 
dragonlords got directly 

1889
01:44:06,100 --> 01:44:08,200
involved. 
If not one of the first is not 

1890
01:44:08,200 --> 01:44:10,600
hard to see why. 
Either, if we look closely, it 

1891
01:44:10,600 --> 01:44:14,700
only took three dragons to 
destroy a huge City where 

1892
01:44:14,700 --> 01:44:17,800
presumably before armies hadn't 
been enough to do that. 

1893
01:44:17,900 --> 01:44:21,100
Right there were told that what 
happened to sorrow? 

1894
01:44:21,100 --> 01:44:24,200
I shocked the rhoynar because 
other large cities hadn't been 

1895
01:44:24,200 --> 01:44:28,700
destroyed. 
So it stands to reason that They

1896
01:44:28,700 --> 01:44:31,200
weren't able to destroy these 
large cities until dragons got 

1897
01:44:31,200 --> 01:44:32,700
involved. 
We would have another words we 

1898
01:44:32,700 --> 01:44:35,900
would have already seen a large 
range of city destroyed with 

1899
01:44:35,900 --> 01:44:40,100
Dragons involved and there's 
more though these dragonlords by

1900
01:44:40,100 --> 01:44:43,800
and large we can assume they 
were absurdly absurdly wealthy 

1901
01:44:43,800 --> 01:44:48,000
what with Conquest paying them 
tribute looting, those conquests

1902
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:51,000
in the first place, mining 
operations and then their 

1903
01:44:51,000 --> 01:44:55,300
ancestors doing all of that for 
who knows how long and storing 

1904
01:44:55,300 --> 01:44:58,700
up all this wealth to pass on to
their descendants just Huge, 

1905
01:44:58,700 --> 01:45:00,600
huge on calculable amounts of 
money. 

1906
01:45:01,400 --> 01:45:04,800
So in other words, if you're 
trying to get a Valyrian 

1907
01:45:04,800 --> 01:45:07,200
dragonlord interested in your 
business venture, your 

1908
01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:10,200
money-making Venture, it's got 
to be pretty outstanding to get 

1909
01:45:10,200 --> 01:45:11,400
their attention. 
It's not going to be worth their

1910
01:45:11,400 --> 01:45:15,700
time otherwise and the case of 
Sorrow here really shows what 

1911
01:45:15,700 --> 01:45:19,000
the valyrians were after. 
That wealth was a primary 

1912
01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:20,700
driver. 
Of course we have plenty of 

1913
01:45:20,800 --> 01:45:24,200
evidence that valyrians were 
just Lusty about wealth are very

1914
01:45:24,200 --> 01:45:29,300
greedy as a people. 
So think about what this meant 

1915
01:45:29,300 --> 01:45:33,800
for volantis, they would have 
full control over the mouth of 

1916
01:45:33,800 --> 01:45:36,600
the Rhine now not necessarily 
full control. 

1917
01:45:36,600 --> 01:45:39,300
I mean let me copy at that a 
little by saying there's four 

1918
01:45:39,300 --> 01:45:43,400
mouths to the Rhine but they'd 
be the only city on any of those

1919
01:45:43,400 --> 01:45:46,600
mouths with sorrow aegon's. 
It was just them those two 

1920
01:45:46,600 --> 01:45:50,700
before and with with sorrow egg 
on it was just the one now 

1921
01:45:50,700 --> 01:45:52,200
recall. 
What I said from the manderley 

1922
01:45:52,200 --> 01:45:57,600
episodes and other episodes 
about How the mouth of a river 

1923
01:45:57,600 --> 01:46:03,200
is really valuable for trade. 
Now, consider how much vastly 

1924
01:46:03,200 --> 01:46:07,800
larger the rowing is than the 
Mander or the white knife and 

1925
01:46:07,800 --> 01:46:09,700
how much bigger esos is than 
Westeros. 

1926
01:46:09,700 --> 01:46:12,700
You get the largest river in the
world with all that River trade 

1927
01:46:12,700 --> 01:46:17,000
and all that sea trade, it might
be the single most valuable like

1928
01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:21,800
City location anywhere and if 
not it's probably really close. 

1929
01:46:21,900 --> 01:46:25,500
It's most certainly in that 
absurdly wealthy. 

1930
01:46:26,100 --> 01:46:29,800
Worried that might need to get 
the valyrians attentions. 

1931
01:46:30,300 --> 01:46:33,500
It's kind of similar in that. 
It's like, those endless Minds 

1932
01:46:33,800 --> 01:46:37,200
because it's the utterly cynical
and greedy exploitation of a 

1933
01:46:37,208 --> 01:46:41,400
natural resource, right? 
Volantis literally destroyed the

1934
01:46:41,400 --> 01:46:44,200
competition in an extremely 
lucrative spot. 

1935
01:46:44,500 --> 01:46:46,800
Both sides could have you need 
to make out really well. 

1936
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:48,100
They could have coexisted in 
made. 

1937
01:46:48,100 --> 01:46:50,400
Lots of money and done really 
well just by each other's 

1938
01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:52,400
presence. 
There was enough to go around 

1939
01:46:52,600 --> 01:46:55,900
but nope, the powers that be 
behind the Black Walls. 

1940
01:46:56,000 --> 01:46:59,700
I wanted it all and got valyria 
on board with destroying sorrow 

1941
01:46:59,700 --> 01:47:03,900
Joy, which made all the 
difference if volantis and 

1942
01:47:03,900 --> 01:47:08,400
sorrow had a child, it might be 
a bit like nymeria sand, who is 

1943
01:47:08,400 --> 01:47:12,600
the daughter of Oberyn Martell 
and a lady of volantis from a 

1944
01:47:12,600 --> 01:47:15,600
family high and nobility. 
Among those permitted to live 

1945
01:47:15,600 --> 01:47:20,000
behind the Black Walls. 
Interestingly nymeria may have 

1946
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:23,100
been named by her mother. 
The tale of the affair between 

1947
01:47:23,100 --> 01:47:25,900
this woman in the Red, Viper 
would probably be a fun. 

1948
01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:28,400
Pale and good chance. 
It took place when he was in 

1949
01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:31,700
essos with the sellsword company
that he formed and ran for a 

1950
01:47:31,708 --> 01:47:35,500
while nymeria is an elegant 
woman and very vengeful from 

1951
01:47:35,500 --> 01:47:39,100
what we've seen so far, she 
called for the deaths of Tywin, 

1952
01:47:39,200 --> 01:47:41,700
Jaime Cersei and Tom. 
And after hearing of her 

1953
01:47:41,700 --> 01:47:44,500
father's death, she's pretty 
dangerous with knives, 

1954
01:47:44,500 --> 01:47:47,600
apparently 200. 
And she's headed to the small 

1955
01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:51,500
Council to take up her father's 
seat, with myrcella in tow. 

1956
01:47:51,800 --> 01:47:54,700
No big deal. 
Nothing could go wrong here. 

1957
01:47:55,700 --> 01:47:57,600
Garden Theory. 
All right. 

1958
01:47:57,600 --> 01:48:00,900
A little detour here is needed 
before we continue with these 

1959
01:48:00,900 --> 01:48:02,200
wars. 
We love talking about the 

1960
01:48:02,208 --> 01:48:05,800
history but as always the reason
we talk about the history is 

1961
01:48:05,800 --> 01:48:07,600
also mostly because it's really 
fun. 

1962
01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:10,600
But because it teaches us things
about the future. 

1963
01:48:11,300 --> 01:48:13,700
I've talked about that a lot 
this episode and that's because 

1964
01:48:13,700 --> 01:48:16,800
it comes up so much. 
You know, I bet a lot of people 

1965
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:19,300
thought an episode on my mirror 
would be fun, but you probably 

1966
01:48:19,300 --> 01:48:21,800
didn't realize how much 
relevance it has to so many 

1967
01:48:21,800 --> 01:48:24,400
different ongoing story lines. 
Here's another one. 

1968
01:48:24,500 --> 01:48:27,700
There's another Here to be told 
with regards to the destruction 

1969
01:48:27,700 --> 01:48:30,000
of Sorrow Joy, which is why I 
can't tell it later. 

1970
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:32,900
We can talk about it now, even 
though it interrupts are Wars, 

1971
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:37,000
but because the structure of 
Sorrow is seems really similar 

1972
01:48:37,000 --> 01:48:39,400
to something that a lot of 
people have theorized is coming,

1973
01:48:39,800 --> 01:48:43,300
so it might be foreshadowing, 
other words an important detail,

1974
01:48:43,300 --> 01:48:44,800
George r.r. 
Martin mentioned about sorrow, 

1975
01:48:44,800 --> 01:48:47,700
Joy, a city, overlooking the sea
is that it has Salt Water 

1976
01:48:47,700 --> 01:48:52,100
Gardens, and the city itself is 
made of pink, marble the Water 

1977
01:48:52,100 --> 01:48:55,300
Gardens of darn Overlook the sea
and are made of pink. 

1978
01:48:55,400 --> 01:48:58,600
Marble does? 
This matter is that just some 

1979
01:48:58,600 --> 01:49:01,100
common details? 
Well, what I like to do in 

1980
01:49:01,100 --> 01:49:03,500
cases, like this is. 
Look at how unique these common 

1981
01:49:03,500 --> 01:49:05,600
traits are. 
If there's a lot of pink marble 

1982
01:49:05,600 --> 01:49:08,400
out there than this is probably 
meaningless. 

1983
01:49:08,900 --> 01:49:11,900
Pink, marble appears in a few 
other places along the rowing 

1984
01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:14,800
and there's mention of some 
envelopes near valyria, but that

1985
01:49:14,800 --> 01:49:18,700
was wiped out by the doom and 
there are no other mentions in 

1986
01:49:18,700 --> 01:49:23,000
Westeros and none anywhere else.
Period accepting ruins. 

1987
01:49:23,200 --> 01:49:26,400
So the Water Gardens of Dorne 
are the Lee standing pink. 

1988
01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:29,500
Marble structure were told about
in the Known World, The Water 

1989
01:49:29,500 --> 01:49:31,700
Gardens of Dorne were made for 
Daenerys. 

1990
01:49:32,700 --> 01:49:35,800
Was the desert too hot for her. 
It is, is it meant to be 

1991
01:49:35,800 --> 01:49:38,600
symbolic that the desert was too
hot even for a dragon. 

1992
01:49:39,800 --> 01:49:42,700
None other than meraxes. 
He's was slain in Dorne at the 

1993
01:49:42,700 --> 01:49:44,900
hell, Holt a very hot sounding 
place. 

1994
01:49:45,100 --> 01:49:49,500
And it is So the Water Gardens 
of Dorne are filled with 

1995
01:49:49,500 --> 01:49:51,600
children, many of whom are 
nobles. 

1996
01:49:51,900 --> 01:49:54,900
Noble children, tend to make 
good hostages and the people of 

1997
01:49:54,900 --> 01:49:57,400
Sorrow are we're enslaved when 
it was destroyed. 

1998
01:49:58,700 --> 01:50:01,000
As for house, our whole day was 
destroyed. 

1999
01:50:01,200 --> 01:50:06,200
It was burned mostly. 
So it seems by Three Dragons. 

2000
01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:10,000
So what am I saying? 
Well, I think the Water Gardens 

2001
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:13,400
are going to be destroyed quite 
possibly by fire not necessarily

2002
01:50:13,400 --> 01:50:15,000
by dragons but that's on the 
table too. 

2003
01:50:15,000 --> 01:50:17,900
Especially if door insides with 
egg on the 6th over Daenerys 

2004
01:50:17,900 --> 01:50:22,500
making them her enemy which is 
itself not unlikely given Danny 

2005
01:50:22,500 --> 01:50:25,500
may be blamed for Quentin's 
death right and egg on the 6 has

2006
01:50:25,500 --> 01:50:27,600
to jump on her. 
He's there already already 

2007
01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:30,600
making a lasagna About to talk 
to Aryan already starting 

2008
01:50:30,600 --> 01:50:34,700
things. 
We're while Daenerys is in the 

2009
01:50:34,708 --> 01:50:37,500
Dothraki sea. 
So if we're right about this and

2010
01:50:37,500 --> 01:50:39,600
there's more to consider those 
kids will probably be taken 

2011
01:50:39,600 --> 01:50:43,400
hostage but it could get ugly. 
My not might be some casualties 

2012
01:50:43,400 --> 01:50:46,300
along the way. 
Doran Martell may very well be 

2013
01:50:46,300 --> 01:50:50,300
there to watch the worst like 
maybe a bit, like are in the 

2014
01:50:50,300 --> 01:50:52,900
Great instead of watching the 
kids play, he might have to 

2015
01:50:52,900 --> 01:50:57,400
watch them. 
Well you know let that sink in 

2016
01:50:57,400 --> 01:51:01,100
like volantis is sinking will 
learn who has good fortune in 

2017
01:51:01,108 --> 01:51:02,500
the wars to come later, though. 
Let's get back. 

2018
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:05,700
Wars that have already come and 
remember, to keep our eyes and 

2019
01:51:05,700 --> 01:51:07,900
ears peeled for more clues as to
Future plots. 

2020
01:51:07,900 --> 01:51:11,400
Like this one, the lands of Ice 
and Fire Maps, reveal that 

2021
01:51:11,400 --> 01:51:15,300
Daenerys passes through going 
and row, not long after leaving 

2022
01:51:15,300 --> 01:51:18,400
pentose on our way to vaes 
dothrak with Khal Drogo. 

2023
01:51:18,500 --> 01:51:20,900
Tyrion follows the same path 
when he leaves. 

2024
01:51:20,900 --> 01:51:25,100
Pentose with lirio to meet up 
with a shy made and head on down

2025
01:51:25,100 --> 01:51:29,100
river. 
But curiously there's a Valyrian

2026
01:51:29,100 --> 01:51:32,600
Road running from pentos to go 
and row a city tea. 

2027
01:51:32,700 --> 01:51:35,500
Korean notes was destroyed by 
dragons. 

2028
01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:39,800
Since the valyrians, probably 
didn't build a road from pentos 

2029
01:51:39,800 --> 01:51:42,200
to a ruin. 
What does that mean? 

2030
01:51:42,600 --> 01:51:45,000
Did the rhoynar and valyrians 
here get along? 

2031
01:51:45,000 --> 01:51:48,300
So, well that the valyrians 
built this road to share with 

2032
01:51:48,300 --> 01:51:53,500
them Garin the great since the 
rhoynar were so independent. 

2033
01:51:53,500 --> 01:51:56,200
And the histories aren't as 
detailed as they could be, we 

2034
01:51:56,200 --> 01:51:58,400
only know of two great rhoynar 
figures who were United. 

2035
01:51:58,400 --> 01:52:01,400
Their people one of course is 
nymeria and she was extremely 

2036
01:52:01,400 --> 01:52:03,700
successful with it. 
The other came right before her 

2037
01:52:03,700 --> 01:52:06,000
and directly contributed to the 
circumstances that nymeria, 

2038
01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:08,400
enter people found themselves in
before she unified them. 

2039
01:52:08,800 --> 01:52:12,000
This first person was Prince, 
Garin of crying and he rose to 

2040
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:13,600
prominence after the destruction
of Sorrow. 

2041
01:52:13,600 --> 01:52:15,600
Joy? 
Finally something had gotten 

2042
01:52:15,600 --> 01:52:17,600
through to the overly 
independent rhoynar that they 

2043
01:52:17,600 --> 01:52:21,000
needed to band together or in. 
Karen's words quote, we shall 

2044
01:52:21,000 --> 01:52:24,200
all be slaves unless we join 
together to end this threat. 

2045
01:52:24,900 --> 01:52:26,600
Only nine areas spoke against 
him. 

2046
01:52:26,900 --> 01:52:29,400
Not the banding together was a 
bad idea, but that they could 

2047
01:52:29,400 --> 01:52:31,400
not win this war, he intended to
start. 

2048
01:52:31,600 --> 01:52:34,700
She must have advocated for 
peace, perhaps arguing that, I 

2049
01:52:34,708 --> 01:52:35,900
don't know. 
They could use a piece to buy 

2050
01:52:35,900 --> 01:52:39,600
time to come up with a better 
long-term solution, but even her

2051
01:52:39,600 --> 01:52:44,000
own warriors, were against her. 
They kind of shouted, her down 

2052
01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:45,600
in a sense. 
And she relented to 

2053
01:52:45,600 --> 01:52:49,000
overwhelmingly popular opinion. 
Garin's plan would be carried 

2054
01:52:49,000 --> 01:52:51,300
out. 
We don't know a lot about him, 

2055
01:52:51,500 --> 01:52:54,300
he was a warrior Prince and as 
ruler of Croix, and he was 

2056
01:52:54,300 --> 01:52:56,600
clearly wealthy and Powerful. 
Giving his city was considered 

2057
01:52:56,600 --> 01:53:00,100
the greatest on the Rhine given 
the later curse famously name 

2058
01:53:00,100 --> 01:53:03,100
for him. 
He may have been a known water 

2059
01:53:03,100 --> 01:53:08,500
Wizard or at least a I don't 
know damp wizard Wet Willie, I 

2060
01:53:08,500 --> 01:53:10,400
don't know. 
What do you call that a line 

2061
01:53:10,400 --> 01:53:14,100
from ferriero for Ells play? 
Rough of the dragonlords has 

2062
01:53:14,100 --> 01:53:17,300
Prince Garin saying, quote, it 
shall go ill for any man who 

2063
01:53:17,300 --> 01:53:20,900
fails me which hints at an 
imperious personality, but this 

2064
01:53:20,900 --> 01:53:24,600
is just a play. 
And also may have related to 

2065
01:53:24,600 --> 01:53:27,100
some sense of urgency like, hey,
we all got to do this right? 

2066
01:53:27,100 --> 01:53:29,700
Or we're all doomed, so no 
screw-ups, that kind of thing. 

2067
01:53:30,300 --> 01:53:34,100
And enduring comparison, though 
is Dark Star who himself 

2068
01:53:34,100 --> 01:53:37,300
disparages garan is a bit of a 
loser because he led a quarter 

2069
01:53:37,400 --> 01:53:41,700
Million men to their deaths yet,
ironically Darkstar, wanted to 

2070
01:53:41,708 --> 01:53:43,900
kill myrcella to start a war 
against the Iron Throne, which 

2071
01:53:43,900 --> 01:53:45,400
would probably be a disaster for
Dorne. 

2072
01:53:45,600 --> 01:53:48,500
In both cases, we have a men 
clamoring for war against a 

2073
01:53:48,500 --> 01:53:51,900
superior foe, like nymeria 
speaking up against Karen, 

2074
01:53:51,900 --> 01:53:55,500
Arianne was against dark stars 
plan to start a war but both 

2075
01:53:55,500 --> 01:53:58,300
Geraldine and Garen. 
The great got their wish War 

2076
01:53:58,300 --> 01:54:01,600
hasn't come to Dorne yet to be 
clear to be fair and more cells 

2077
01:54:01,600 --> 01:54:04,700
injury. 
May not cause it directly, but 

2078
01:54:04,700 --> 01:54:07,300
war is coming to door in one way
or the other and the descendants

2079
01:54:07,300 --> 01:54:10,200
of Of the wrong in our will 
suffer if I won't go bad right 

2080
01:54:10,200 --> 01:54:12,500
away. 
I mean, Michael, well, for a 

2081
01:54:12,508 --> 01:54:14,700
time, obviously, we can't expect
this kind of parallel, be too 

2082
01:54:14,700 --> 01:54:16,700
perfect but that is what 
happened for Guerin and his 

2083
01:54:16,700 --> 01:54:18,200
army. 
He gathered them all at his 

2084
01:54:18,200 --> 01:54:20,800
Festival City, not the typical 
Festival but it would have been 

2085
01:54:20,800 --> 01:54:23,500
a spectacle. 
Nonetheless all those soldiers 

2086
01:54:24,100 --> 01:54:27,400
and ships because he's put the 
huge hose into three parts and 

2087
01:54:27,400 --> 01:54:29,100
March South towards the Valyrian
cities. 

2088
01:54:29,600 --> 01:54:32,300
One part of the army was on the 
western side, another on the 

2089
01:54:32,300 --> 01:54:34,800
East and the third was a fleet, 
sweeping the river. 

2090
01:54:34,800 --> 01:54:37,200
Clean will let the world of Ice 
and Fire. 

2091
01:54:37,400 --> 01:54:39,800
Up the tail from here. 
That's of Horace. 

2092
01:54:39,800 --> 01:54:43,300
He won his first battle 
overwhelming, a Valyrian Army, 

2093
01:54:43,300 --> 01:54:47,000
30,000 strong, and taking the 
City by storm Valley. 

2094
01:54:47,000 --> 01:54:51,600
Psalm at the same fate at Valen,
theris Garin found himself 

2095
01:54:51,600 --> 01:54:55,400
facing 100,000 foes, 100 war, 
elephants. 

2096
01:54:55,600 --> 01:55:00,100
And three dragonlords here to he
prevailed though at Great cost, 

2097
01:55:00,500 --> 01:55:03,700
thousands burned, but thousands 
more sheltered in the shallows 

2098
01:55:03,700 --> 01:55:06,500
of the river, whilst there, 
Wizards raised, enormous, 

2099
01:55:06,500 --> 01:55:10,600
waterspouts, Against the first 
dragons rhoynish archers brought

2100
01:55:10,600 --> 01:55:15,300
down to of the Dragons. 
Whilst the third fled wounded in

2101
01:55:15,300 --> 01:55:20,700
the aftermath mother roin Rose 
in raged swallow voluntarist. 

2102
01:55:21,300 --> 01:55:24,000
That's another example of the 
flooding being large and clearly

2103
01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:28,400
in favor of the Rhine are right.
The timing was right in their 

2104
01:55:28,400 --> 01:55:29,800
favor, right? 
During the war. 

2105
01:55:30,400 --> 01:55:34,000
Also have this mention of these 
huge armies hundred elephants to

2106
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:39,100
what a sight to imagine another 
awesome visual All image there. 

2107
01:55:39,200 --> 01:55:41,600
I think about that for a minute,
but given all the consideration 

2108
01:55:41,600 --> 01:55:43,200
regarding the future of dany's 
dragons. 

2109
01:55:43,600 --> 01:55:47,000
The idea that rhoynish archers 
brought down two of them is 

2110
01:55:47,400 --> 01:55:50,200
eyebrow-raising. 
See, eyebrows are up perhaps 

2111
01:55:50,200 --> 01:55:53,500
these archers actually used. 
You know, large scorpion bolts 

2112
01:55:54,300 --> 01:55:56,200
and something that weren't 
really arrows are bigger like a 

2113
01:55:56,208 --> 01:55:59,700
giant Heroes, but if we're 
talking actual normal arrows, 

2114
01:56:00,100 --> 01:56:03,200
there could be sorcery. 
Helping the aim, the bow, the 

2115
01:56:03,200 --> 01:56:05,600
arrows are all three kind of 
like what people accuse 

2116
01:56:05,600 --> 01:56:08,700
bloodraven of doing with his 
gunshots at the red grass field.

2117
01:56:10,300 --> 01:56:12,100
If something to wonder about 
though, for sure, either way, 

2118
01:56:12,100 --> 01:56:15,300
and I say that because during 
the dance of the Dragons regular

2119
01:56:15,300 --> 01:56:17,100
archers didn't do much at all 
the dragons. 

2120
01:56:17,300 --> 01:56:20,400
There's one case of a dragon 
being killed by an arrow to the 

2121
01:56:20,400 --> 01:56:22,800
eye and that was a case of 
Mercy. 

2122
01:56:23,500 --> 01:56:27,100
The dragon to sorry--and was 
already dying and thus not 

2123
01:56:27,100 --> 01:56:30,700
exactly a hard target still. 
It took Lord Blackwood best 

2124
01:56:30,700 --> 01:56:34,000
Archer who had to fire three 
shots in the dragon's eye to 

2125
01:56:34,000 --> 01:56:36,400
finish her and she was kind of 
on the younger side. 

2126
01:56:36,400 --> 01:56:38,700
She wasn't even like a big adult
dragon. 

2127
01:56:39,900 --> 01:56:42,100
Point being dragons are hard to 
kill with regular arrows. 

2128
01:56:42,500 --> 01:56:46,300
So I'm suspicious. 
Perhaps this is a major factor 

2129
01:56:46,300 --> 01:56:49,600
as to how the war escalated as 
well. 

2130
01:56:50,000 --> 01:56:53,000
They're off term and began to 
name the Victorious, Prince 

2131
01:56:53,000 --> 01:56:56,900
Garin the grapes and it is said 
that in volantis great, Lords 

2132
01:56:56,900 --> 01:57:01,100
trembled in Terror as his host 
Advanced rather than face him in

2133
01:57:01,100 --> 01:57:03,900
the field of the volunteers 
retreated, back behind their 

2134
01:57:03,900 --> 01:57:07,400
black walls and appealed to the 
Freehold for help. 

2135
01:57:07,700 --> 01:57:11,200
What I mean is Maybe they told 
certain connected families that 

2136
01:57:11,200 --> 01:57:14,200
their Holdings in volantis and 
thus great wealth was at risk. 

2137
01:57:14,300 --> 01:57:16,600
Maybe the Freehold didn't like 
the idea of dragons being 

2138
01:57:16,600 --> 01:57:18,900
defeated. 
They don't want people saying 

2139
01:57:18,900 --> 01:57:21,500
that you can't have word 
spreading that our dragons were 

2140
01:57:21,500 --> 01:57:24,400
beaten, right? 
Whatever the reason was 

2141
01:57:24,400 --> 01:57:27,400
whatever. 
Got the moving the appeals for 

2142
01:57:27,400 --> 01:57:33,400
help were heard and the dragons 
came not three as Prince, Garin 

2143
01:57:33,400 --> 01:57:37,200
had faced set voluntarist, but 
300 or more. 

2144
01:57:37,200 --> 01:57:41,000
If the tales that have come down
to us can Believed against their

2145
01:57:41,000 --> 01:57:43,900
fires, the rhoynar could not 
stand. 

2146
01:57:44,300 --> 01:57:47,500
Tens of thousands. 
Burnt, whilst others rushed into

2147
01:57:47,500 --> 01:57:49,600
the river. 
Hoping that the Embrace of 

2148
01:57:49,600 --> 01:57:52,700
mother, roin would offer them 
protection against dragon flame 

2149
01:57:53,300 --> 01:57:57,800
only to drown in their mother's 
Embrace, some chroniclers insist

2150
01:57:57,800 --> 01:58:01,300
that the fires burned. 
So hot that the very Waters of 

2151
01:58:01,300 --> 01:58:03,900
the river boiled, and turned to 
steam. 

2152
01:58:04,200 --> 01:58:07,100
Even in these seemingly obscure 
stories, we see something that 

2153
01:58:07,100 --> 01:58:08,800
might be in A Song of Ice and 
Fire clue. 

2154
01:58:09,000 --> 01:58:11,800
Which is part of the fun in 
delving deep with Song of Ice 

2155
01:58:11,800 --> 01:58:14,400
and Fire history. 
Three Dragons is a deliberate 

2156
01:58:14,400 --> 01:58:16,900
Choice by George r.r., Martin. 
He could have made the number of

2157
01:58:16,900 --> 01:58:20,800
the counting 45 would not have 
been right out, not at all 

2158
01:58:21,200 --> 01:58:24,200
princess nymeria. 
Prince Garin, not King Arthur 

2159
01:58:24,700 --> 01:58:26,600
but also the notion of hiding in
the water. 

2160
01:58:26,600 --> 01:58:29,300
No, not the Lady of the Lake. 
I keep, I refer to avoiding 

2161
01:58:29,300 --> 01:58:31,000
dragonflay. 
My notion that's been around 

2162
01:58:31,000 --> 01:58:33,200
since Danny's house of the 
undying Visions. 

2163
01:58:33,500 --> 01:58:37,200
Let me remind you all of a key 
line from said, Visions, quote 

2164
01:58:37,200 --> 01:58:40,500
beneath the mother of mountains,
a lie, Of naked groans crept 

2165
01:58:40,500 --> 01:58:43,000
from a great lake and knelt 
shivering before her. 

2166
01:58:43,100 --> 01:58:46,900
They're great heads bowed, this 
appears to be the Crown's of the

2167
01:58:46,900 --> 01:58:50,300
dosh, Killeen kneeling in 
submission before Danny and I've

2168
01:58:50,300 --> 01:58:53,200
long believed, like, many others
that they take shelter in the 

2169
01:58:53,200 --> 01:58:56,100
lake when she came on them with 
Dro guns fire. 

2170
01:58:56,500 --> 01:59:00,300
So, you can see why I'm making 
this connection here. 

2171
01:59:00,900 --> 01:59:04,500
And, of course, we have this 
also from Danny, quote, 10,000 

2172
01:59:04,500 --> 01:59:07,600
slaves, lifted blood-stained 
hands as he raced by on her 

2173
01:59:07,600 --> 01:59:11,600
silver writing, like the wind 
mother, they cried mother 

2174
01:59:11,600 --> 01:59:13,700
mother. 
They were reaching for her, 

2175
01:59:14,200 --> 01:59:17,900
10,000 slaves, 10,000 ships, 
full of people who would have 

2176
01:59:17,900 --> 01:59:19,900
been enslaved. 
I think we have another 

2177
01:59:19,900 --> 01:59:24,300
parallel, ladies and germs. 
Holman tens of thousands of 

2178
01:59:24,300 --> 01:59:27,000
others did not escape. 
And we're enslaved, probably a 

2179
01:59:27,008 --> 01:59:30,700
lot more than tens of thousands 
really malaria had quite a cruel

2180
01:59:30,700 --> 01:59:33,900
windfall, and the Palaces of the
wealthy, would soon be filled 

2181
01:59:33,900 --> 01:59:37,500
with the children of the wrong. 
Not only orphaned, but enslaved 

2182
01:59:37,700 --> 01:59:41,200
and in a Land of great Heat and 
death said of Cool Waters and 

2183
01:59:41,200 --> 01:59:43,900
life of Screams instead of 
Music. 

2184
01:59:44,700 --> 01:59:46,800
It was this future Garin 
foresaw. 

2185
01:59:46,800 --> 01:59:50,600
For his people, not through 
magic, but through common sense.

2186
01:59:50,700 --> 01:59:52,400
That's what the valyrians do, 
right? 

2187
01:59:52,400 --> 01:59:56,000
Very cruel things. 
Like what they did to him. 

2188
01:59:56,300 --> 01:59:59,800
He was captured alive and forced
to watch the fall of his people.

2189
02:00:00,600 --> 02:00:04,800
And this is when he had his time
to contemplate what was coming, 

2190
02:00:04,800 --> 02:00:06,800
but he probably knew this ahead 
of time. 

2191
02:00:06,800 --> 02:00:09,400
It was why he gathered everyone 
to fight in the First place 

2192
02:00:09,400 --> 02:00:14,900
because he saw this potential 
future and it did come to pass. 

2193
02:00:15,800 --> 02:00:18,100
He was captured alive and forced
to watch the fall of his people 

2194
02:00:18,400 --> 02:00:20,300
started with the slaughter of 
his army. 

2195
02:00:20,600 --> 02:00:23,700
And the harbor of volantis was 
said to turn the color of blood 

2196
02:00:24,000 --> 02:00:28,500
then they gathered their armies.
Having been used for defense and

2197
02:00:28,500 --> 02:00:32,500
advanced with them sacks Armel 
enslaving the people while 

2198
02:00:32,500 --> 02:00:35,300
destroying it and presumably all
the smaller towns along the way.

2199
02:00:36,900 --> 02:00:39,800
Reprisal for garen's. 
Campaign was Swift and brutal. 

2200
02:00:39,800 --> 02:00:43,700
And he was made to watch it all 
locked in a golden cage. 

2201
02:00:43,700 --> 02:00:46,800
At the command of the 
dragonlords, Guerin was carried 

2202
02:00:46,800 --> 02:00:50,800
back to the Festival City, to 
witness its destruction and cry.

2203
02:00:50,800 --> 02:00:54,500
An the cage was hung from the 
walls so that the prince might 

2204
02:00:54,500 --> 02:00:57,400
witness the enslavement of the 
women and children, whose 

2205
02:00:57,400 --> 02:01:01,200
fathers, and brothers had died 
in his Gallant hopeless War. 

2206
02:01:01,800 --> 02:01:05,600
But the prince, it is said 
called down a curse upon the 

2207
02:01:05,600 --> 02:01:08,800
conquerors. 
Treating mother roin to avenge 

2208
02:01:08,800 --> 02:01:14,000
her children. 
And so that very night, the roin

2209
02:01:14,000 --> 02:01:17,100
flooded out of season and with 
greater force than was known in 

2210
02:01:17,100 --> 02:01:20,900
living memory, a thick fog full 
of evil humors fell and the 

2211
02:01:20,900 --> 02:01:24,500
Valerian conquerors began to die
of greyscale. 

2212
02:01:25,100 --> 02:01:28,000
Interestingly, the story of 
Garin ends here we don't hear 

2213
02:01:28,000 --> 02:01:30,900
about his final moment. 
His actual moment of death 

2214
02:01:31,300 --> 02:01:34,600
perhaps he too contracted 
grayscale inflicted on his 

2215
02:01:34,600 --> 02:01:36,500
captors, or perhaps the 
survivors. 

2216
02:01:36,700 --> 02:01:39,100
Put him out of his misery. 
Perhaps maybe maybe They Carried

2217
02:01:39,100 --> 02:01:41,700
him all the way back to valyria 
and dropped him in a volcano. 

2218
02:01:41,700 --> 02:01:46,000
Like he was the one ring or 
maybe they used his Royal Blood 

2219
02:01:46,000 --> 02:01:49,800
for spells or experiments or 
experimental spells, maybe they 

2220
02:01:49,800 --> 02:01:52,800
dropped his golden cage. 
In the water, letting him drown 

2221
02:01:52,800 --> 02:01:56,500
in his mother's Embrace maybe 
somewhere in mother ruins 

2222
02:01:56,500 --> 02:01:58,600
depths. 
Is it golden cage with a 

2223
02:01:58,608 --> 02:02:03,000
skeleton or a stone Prince lock 
inside for eternity? 

2224
02:02:03,700 --> 02:02:05,800
Think of all the cities that are
on the run now? 

2225
02:02:06,600 --> 02:02:08,900
And think of how many there 
would have been at the height of

2226
02:02:08,900 --> 02:02:10,500
their own, our people, a lot 
more. 

2227
02:02:11,200 --> 02:02:14,200
It's a staggering amount, and a 
huge portion of that population 

2228
02:02:14,200 --> 02:02:17,300
was enslaved by the Freehold. 
Garin's curse was said to have 

2229
02:02:17,300 --> 02:02:20,300
created grayscale, but it was 
the Doom that truly took out the

2230
02:02:20,300 --> 02:02:24,200
Freehold some suggestion turn 
that the Doom was, the real 

2231
02:02:24,200 --> 02:02:26,800
garin's curse. 
I don't think so. 

2232
02:02:26,800 --> 02:02:28,000
But there's certainly a way we 
can. 

2233
02:02:28,000 --> 02:02:31,700
Imagine the Doom coming at the 
hands of those with blood of the

2234
02:02:31,700 --> 02:02:36,100
Rhine are in their veins. 
Tho I suggested many would be 

2235
02:02:36,100 --> 02:02:40,100
enslaved in palaces quite a few 
others would most likely end up 

2236
02:02:40,100 --> 02:02:42,900
in those Deep Dark Minds. 
It's a flare that beneath the 

2237
02:02:42,900 --> 02:02:46,700
Fourteen Flames at the valyrians
got so much wealth out of the 

2238
02:02:46,700 --> 02:02:48,300
same mines. 
Where the faceless man, 

2239
02:02:48,300 --> 02:02:50,800
originated. 
No one knows who the first 

2240
02:02:50,800 --> 02:02:53,900
faceless man was, but given the 
Magic in their people. 

2241
02:02:54,300 --> 02:02:57,100
Perhaps it was a slave of 
rhoynish descent. 

2242
02:02:57,600 --> 02:02:59,900
Hmm. 
It would be rather fitting for 

2243
02:02:59,900 --> 02:03:02,600
the rhoynar to have a hand and 
taking down valyria through a 

2244
02:03:02,600 --> 02:03:06,900
blood descendant. 
Born In fire, the Doom wouldn't 

2245
02:03:06,900 --> 02:03:10,700
come for another roughly. 
Few centuries will say so, it 

2246
02:03:10,700 --> 02:03:14,200
would be a distant kinship to be
sure, but that shouldn't bother 

2247
02:03:14,200 --> 02:03:18,700
us too much. 
We see Bloodlines lasting for 

2248
02:03:18,700 --> 02:03:22,000
long periods of time in A Song 
of Ice and Fire, we see magical 

2249
02:03:22,000 --> 02:03:27,200
blood sticking around and we're 
going to see that specifically 

2250
02:03:27,400 --> 02:03:30,600
in the case of the rhoynar 
blood, how it still sticks 

2251
02:03:30,600 --> 02:03:32,900
around. 
Still very strongly, especially 

2252
02:03:32,900 --> 02:03:35,300
in Dorne but in a few other 
places, too. 

2253
02:03:36,500 --> 02:03:39,900
Exodus higher on the roin in 
nice. 

2254
02:03:39,900 --> 02:03:43,300
Our princess nymeria soon, 
received the news of Karen's 

2255
02:03:43,300 --> 02:03:46,700
shattering defeat and the 
enslavement of a people of cry 

2256
02:03:46,700 --> 02:03:50,000
on and saw Mel. 
The same fate, awaited her own 

2257
02:03:50,000 --> 02:03:52,500
City. 
She saw accordingly, she 

2258
02:03:52,500 --> 02:03:55,300
gathered every ship that 
remained upon the ROI that large

2259
02:03:55,300 --> 02:03:58,900
or small, and filled them, full 
of as many women, and children 

2260
02:03:58,900 --> 02:04:03,000
as they could carry for almost 
all the men of fighting age, had

2261
02:04:03,000 --> 02:04:05,700
marched with Geron and died down
the river. 

2262
02:04:05,900 --> 02:04:10,300
Mariah LED this ragged feet past
ruined and smoking towns and 

2263
02:04:10,300 --> 02:04:14,100
Fields of the Dead through 
Waters, choked with bloated 

2264
02:04:14,100 --> 02:04:18,000
floating corpses to avoid 
volantis and its hosts. 

2265
02:04:18,300 --> 02:04:21,400
She chose the older Channel and 
emerged into the summer. 

2266
02:04:21,400 --> 02:04:26,800
See where once sorrow Joy had 
stood like Garen nymeria. 

2267
02:04:26,800 --> 02:04:29,400
Didn't need magical foresight to
see what was coming for her 

2268
02:04:29,400 --> 02:04:34,100
people after they lost. 
She knew the valyrians and there

2269
02:04:34,100 --> 02:04:37,600
was nothing to be done but flee 
as painful as it was to leave 

2270
02:04:37,600 --> 02:04:40,300
their mother. 
What choice did they have? 

2271
02:04:41,400 --> 02:04:45,400
Well, actually, some actually 
did think they had a choice and 

2272
02:04:45,400 --> 02:04:48,900
will see that the call of mother
wine is incredibly potent enough

2273
02:04:48,900 --> 02:04:52,500
to make people make bad 
decisions. 

2274
02:04:52,800 --> 02:04:55,800
But these are always people in a
very tough spot, making these 

2275
02:04:55,800 --> 02:04:58,300
bad decisions so we'll be fair 
to them in that spot. 

2276
02:04:58,600 --> 02:05:01,500
These stuff these tough spots 
include exotic locations, like 

2277
02:05:01,500 --> 02:05:06,400
the Basilisk Isles, 30's nathe 
summer Islands, those people's 

2278
02:05:06,400 --> 02:05:09,900
creatures and unexplained 
phenomena in all those decisions

2279
02:05:09,900 --> 02:05:14,100
related, good or bad. 
Well, that will be the story of 

2280
02:05:14,100 --> 02:05:17,600
our next episode on nymeria. 
It will be called ten thousand 

2281
02:05:17,600 --> 02:05:20,600
ships. 
Join us for it until then, 

2282
02:05:21,100 --> 02:05:26,700
Valerie, Reedus. 
Oh, damn it. 

2283
02:05:27,000 --> 02:05:30,100
Come discuss this episode in our
Facebook group, it's easily 

2284
02:05:30,100 --> 02:05:33,000
findable on Facebook history of 
Westeros podcast is what it's 

2285
02:05:33,000 --> 02:05:34,800
called. 
There's a couple of easy 

2286
02:05:34,800 --> 02:05:39,900
questions, man, to weed out Bots
and trolls, so you need to 

2287
02:05:39,900 --> 02:05:42,600
answer them to get in. 
Other than that, we're not 

2288
02:05:42,600 --> 02:05:44,900
trying to keep anybody out. 
Is just a very simple 

2289
02:05:44,900 --> 02:05:48,200
countermeasure. 
Now, there's others fun stuff 

2290
02:05:48,200 --> 02:05:49,700
there too. 
It's not just discussions about 

2291
02:05:49,700 --> 02:05:52,400
this and past episodes. 
For example, a sham posted, some

2292
02:05:52,400 --> 02:05:55,300
outtakes from the recording of 
this episode in there. 

2293
02:05:55,800 --> 02:05:56,900
We love to do fun stuff like 
that. 

2294
02:05:56,900 --> 02:05:58,700
So there's definitely extras 
available there. 

2295
02:06:01,700 --> 02:06:03,800
There were a lot of quotes in 
this episode from the world of 

2296
02:06:03,800 --> 02:06:07,300
ice and fire, in fact, more than
half of them. 

2297
02:06:07,300 --> 02:06:10,100
So I'm a big fan of that book, 
of course. 

2298
02:06:10,100 --> 02:06:13,000
And if you have never actually 
purchased it, if you haven't 

2299
02:06:13,000 --> 02:06:16,000
gone through all of it, I highly
recommend audible.com, they're 

2300
02:06:16,000 --> 02:06:21,700
owned by Amazon and the world of
Ice and Fire through audio book 

2301
02:06:21,700 --> 02:06:24,200
is a great way to take it all in
because you can do other things 

2302
02:06:24,200 --> 02:06:26,300
while you're doing it. 
You can be out doing chores, you

2303
02:06:26,300 --> 02:06:29,400
can be walking, the dogs, you 
can be taking care of your kids,

2304
02:06:29,900 --> 02:06:31,700
whatever. 
It's a great way to 92 

2305
02:06:31,700 --> 02:06:33,100
activities. 
Make sure it's fun. 

2306
02:06:33,100 --> 02:06:35,200
I think that's a great thing. 
That's the thing about podcast 

2307
02:06:35,200 --> 02:06:36,800
too but it works great for audio
books as well. 

2308
02:06:37,200 --> 02:06:41,000
So you can get two free 
audiobook downloads from audible

2309
02:06:41,000 --> 02:06:43,600
by going to history Westeros.com
and clicking on the link in the 

2310
02:06:43,600 --> 02:06:47,200
right sidebar, even if you don't
keep the subscription you get to

2311
02:06:47,200 --> 02:06:50,300
keep those two free downloads. 
So I basically just told you how

2312
02:06:50,300 --> 02:06:54,100
to get a free copy of the world 
of Ice and Fire inaudible. 

2313
02:06:54,300 --> 02:06:56,400
Now you may like the 
subscription and keep it and pay

2314
02:06:56,400 --> 02:07:00,100
for it, but if you don't, you 
just got a free copy of the 

2315
02:07:00,100 --> 02:07:02,800
world was on fire on. 
Audio, that's great. 

2316
02:07:03,000 --> 02:07:06,700
Shana is the best and that's 
true, whether she's in front of 

2317
02:07:06,700 --> 02:07:08,600
or behind the camera for this 
episode. 

2318
02:07:08,600 --> 02:07:11,100
Of course, she did a lot of the 
production video Work, 

2319
02:07:11,100 --> 02:07:15,600
especially and recording. 
Big thanks to rainey's Targaryen

2320
02:07:15,600 --> 02:07:19,200
for, helping me with the script.
She did a lot of catches on my 

2321
02:07:19,200 --> 02:07:23,000
timeline stuff as always. 
That's her expertise, but she's 

2322
02:07:23,400 --> 02:07:25,700
caught me making a few other 
mistakes as well and added a few

2323
02:07:25,700 --> 02:07:27,500
nice thoughts, as on top of 
that. 

2324
02:07:27,500 --> 02:07:31,500
So even more than usual, she 
helped with this episode, thanks

2325
02:07:31,500 --> 02:07:35,100
to McCall shik of Hyperbole, and
vassals of Kings grave for The 

2326
02:07:35,100 --> 02:07:37,300
Voice work. 
In this one big. 

2327
02:07:37,300 --> 02:07:40,400
Thanks to Michael Clarke failed 
for the maps and video intro. 

2328
02:07:40,400 --> 02:07:42,400
Check him out at Claire docks 
dot d e. 

2329
02:07:42,400 --> 02:07:46,000
He's currently working. 
On a map of Dorne. 

2330
02:07:46,200 --> 02:07:49,200
He's already done an iron 
Islands one which we're going to

2331
02:07:49,200 --> 02:07:51,200
have on display in a future 
episode. 

2332
02:07:52,100 --> 02:07:55,100
Thanks to Joey Townsend and 
Jesse Coe all for the intro and 

2333
02:07:55,100 --> 02:07:59,500
outro music respectively. 
Also thanks to my good friend, 

2334
02:07:59,500 --> 02:08:03,300
Rudy Edwards for reading the 
headers, this time, if you want 

2335
02:08:03,300 --> 02:08:05,600
to support the show, you can 
rate US on iTunes, you'd be 

2336
02:08:05,600 --> 02:08:08,900
surprised how much value that 
has for getting us noticed. 

2337
02:08:09,300 --> 02:08:12,400
Leaving a review. 
Helps even more to support us 

2338
02:08:12,400 --> 02:08:15,100
financially go to his Three of 
Westeros.com, and there's a 

2339
02:08:15,108 --> 02:08:18,500
variety of ways to help the main
way, but not the only way is 

2340
02:08:18,500 --> 02:08:21,100
through patreon. 
Thanks to supporters like the 

2341
02:08:21,100 --> 02:08:24,700
mysterious, be our hand, to the 
king, Lord Jim, the fortuitous 

2342
02:08:24,700 --> 02:08:28,400
of Wars, the politics of Ice and
Fire and Warden of the West 

2343
02:08:28,500 --> 02:08:31,000
Lord, George storms, build a 
cunning lord of the Chiliad in 

2344
02:08:31,000 --> 02:08:34,100
Warden of the East Quebec, the 
unfrozen, lord of the bricks and

2345
02:08:34,100 --> 02:08:36,300
Castle Crimson, light defender 
of the old gods. 

2346
02:08:36,300 --> 02:08:39,600
And Warden of the north lady, 
Kelly McMath of Covington, Lady 

2347
02:08:39,600 --> 02:08:43,200
of the Villa, Hills and Crescent
Springs, Warden of the South, my

2348
02:08:43,200 --> 02:08:45,700
hand. 
In position is currently open. 

2349
02:08:45,700 --> 02:08:48,300
So please for the love of the 
many-faced. 

2350
02:08:48,300 --> 02:08:53,200
God, please give me a hand. 
Lord James title as king of the 

2351
02:08:53,200 --> 02:08:55,000
stepstones. 
In the narrow sea, commander of 

2352
02:08:55,008 --> 02:08:57,900
the royal Fleet consisting of 
the narrow Fleet led by Flagship

2353
02:08:57,900 --> 02:09:00,700
crack seas and the Bloodstone 
Fleet led by Flagship Prince 

2354
02:09:00,700 --> 02:09:03,800
Damon, Lord. 
James was heard recently to say 

2355
02:09:03,800 --> 02:09:05,700
that he had been around during 
Nigeria's time. 

2356
02:09:05,700 --> 02:09:07,600
She never would have made it to 
Westeros. 

2357
02:09:08,300 --> 02:09:11,200
Charlotte austere, Corsair, 
Queen of the western shivering 

2358
02:09:11,200 --> 02:09:13,700
sea is commander of the Briny 
Fleet, whose Flagship is the 

2359
02:09:13,700 --> 02:09:16,300
barnacle-encrusted. 
Violet, Hold mercenary. 

2360
02:09:16,400 --> 02:09:18,300
She carries the nacre inlaid 
shucking. 

2361
02:09:18,300 --> 02:09:21,100
Blade crass, lover. 
And the Corsair Queen is said to

2362
02:09:21,108 --> 02:09:24,700
have I'd claiming that the king 
of the stepstones would be the 

2363
02:09:24,700 --> 02:09:26,900
one to have not made it in 
nymeria. 

2364
02:09:27,000 --> 02:09:31,300
Would have easily sailed on the 
small Council consists of Lord. 

2365
02:09:31,300 --> 02:09:34,000
James Inc, Blade The Scholar 
night, master of Whisperers 

2366
02:09:34,100 --> 02:09:36,400
Lord. 
Robert Jacobs master of coin. 

2367
02:09:36,600 --> 02:09:39,900
Lord, Daniel the sneaky Russian 
master of ships, Grand maester 

2368
02:09:39,900 --> 02:09:44,000
via James and lord benjin of 
House, hornwood master of laws. 

2369
02:09:44,900 --> 02:09:48,200
Currently the Queen's High 
Council has two members lady, my

2370
02:09:48,200 --> 02:09:51,400
emerald eyes voice of how Swan 
Mistress of Whisperers. 

2371
02:09:51,900 --> 02:09:54,600
And Grand maester M Elizabeth 
middle daughter of lyanna 

2372
02:09:54,600 --> 02:09:58,500
Mormont first lady to forge both
the silver and Valyrian steel 

2373
02:09:58,500 --> 02:10:00,700
link. 
So if you're interested in 

2374
02:10:00,700 --> 02:10:03,500
joining the queenside council, 
let us know on patreon. 

2375
02:10:03,600 --> 02:10:07,000
Meanwhile the Queen's guard is 
full up with Lord, Captain 

2376
02:10:07,000 --> 02:10:10,900
Commander him a helmet, The 
sellsword Sentinel lady nymeria 

2377
02:10:10,900 --> 02:10:13,400
house. 
See Pirtle Alexander of house 

2378
02:10:13,400 --> 02:10:16,400
Atreides from the seat of Doom. 
I must not fear. 

2379
02:10:16,600 --> 02:10:19,500
Fear is the mind, killer back of
the Bard. 

2380
02:10:19,500 --> 02:10:24,500
Songbird of the North. 
Sarek Redbeard Odin sun' wielder

2381
02:10:24,500 --> 02:10:28,200
of Tempest. 
Monstrous Warhammer Michonne the

2382
02:10:28,208 --> 02:10:33,800
melodious star of Old Town, 
mine's over master and Sarah 

2383
02:10:33,800 --> 02:10:39,000
Rambo night of house Gannon. 
First Blood the alpha Patron is 

2384
02:10:39,000 --> 02:10:42,300
Lady dire, Liz of Castle. 
Naki Lord, and of the red 

2385
02:10:42,300 --> 02:10:44,500
mountains and Castle, great 
Bell, visbreaker of the second 

2386
02:10:44,500 --> 02:10:47,800
Stone Lord skip of the veldt is 
Lord of Castle Ganges. 

2387
02:10:47,900 --> 02:10:50,500
Gregor, the toasty is Lord of 
the Bridgeport Alicia 

2388
02:10:50,500 --> 02:10:53,100
Everlasting of Green blood is 
Lady of Desert Rose. 

2389
02:10:53,400 --> 02:10:55,500
Lord, Ryan of Castle. 
Stone Gate is guardian of the 

2390
02:10:55,500 --> 02:10:58,700
Rocky Mountain Pass. 
Lord Garin to Havilland is of 

2391
02:10:58,700 --> 02:11:01,300
Devil's Hand. 
Keep Ashlyn winter is the Hawks 

2392
02:11:01,300 --> 02:11:03,900
I Lady of Castle. 
Skyfall, Lady mikkel of moonacre

2393
02:11:03,900 --> 02:11:06,200
is leader of the where would 
protect her at Alliance, the 

2394
02:11:06,200 --> 02:11:07,400
lord of the halls of Castle 
Hill. 

2395
02:11:07,400 --> 02:11:10,600
Crest is wielder of the Valyrian
steel machete, ever glazed Lord.

2396
02:11:10,600 --> 02:11:14,100
Alistair Whitaker is Lord of the
Dawn hold Lord, Bellamy snuggle 

2397
02:11:14,100 --> 02:11:17,100
bunny is guardian of the Hidden 
Hundred Acre Wood, dual-wielding

2398
02:11:17,100 --> 02:11:20,700
glorious morning and little 
light wise and keeping me on my 

2399
02:11:20,700 --> 02:11:22,800
toes. 
For pronunciation, Brian. 

2400
02:11:22,800 --> 02:11:25,200
The defender is Lord of the 
spear for and the free lands 

2401
02:11:25,300 --> 02:11:28,800
last sky on of Clan, McCulloch, 
strength and courage. 

2402
02:11:29,100 --> 02:11:31,900
The bastard of the wolfswood is 
first Forrester of the old gods 

2403
02:11:31,900 --> 02:11:35,400
sworn to house ironware would 
listen for the silence. 

2404
02:11:35,900 --> 02:11:38,300
Connor, the dungeon master is 
Lord of Catamount, keep and 

2405
02:11:38,300 --> 02:11:41,700
guardian of the Smoky Mountain 
Pass lady Baelish is dark Widow 

2406
02:11:41,700 --> 02:11:44,200
of harrenhal. 
Lord Sydney, Jesse is the fall 

2407
02:11:44,200 --> 02:11:47,300
warn Lord of Blue Spring. 
Sir Valentine of Hostage in is 

2408
02:11:47,300 --> 02:11:49,200
creator of the game of 
predictions. 

2409
02:11:49,200 --> 02:11:51,200
Free Game of Thrones predictions
/peugeot. 

2410
02:11:51,300 --> 02:11:54,500
Is Market lady Liana. 
Kelly of wolf island is 

2411
02:11:54,500 --> 02:11:57,800
Protectors of the steel. 
Hold and Casey Stark is of house

2412
02:11:57,800 --> 02:12:01,200
acres are King's Justice is Sir 
Troy, the steady wielder of the 

2413
02:12:01,200 --> 02:12:04,700
Valyrian steel blade. 
Fate our Council of the beard is

2414
02:12:04,700 --> 02:12:06,100
led by Lady. 
Suzanne Sinister. 

2415
02:12:06,100 --> 02:12:08,800
All the learned' holder of the 
left-handed Valerian shears 

2416
02:12:08,800 --> 02:12:11,300
called. 
Penance Mistress of laws are 

2417
02:12:11,300 --> 02:12:13,000
kingsguard is led by The Smiling
wolf. 

2418
02:12:13,000 --> 02:12:15,900
Lord Commander, Stephen Stark, 
cartographer of Kings, who 

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02:12:15,900 --> 02:12:18,300
earned a white cloak through 
wisdom and learning as much as 

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skill at Arms, our nights watch 
is led by Lord. 

2421
02:12:21,200 --> 02:12:23,700
Sir Benja number. 
The silent giant wielder of the 

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02:12:23,700 --> 02:12:26,900
Valyrian steel, Greatsword, 
Winters kiss and first Steward. 

2423
02:12:26,900 --> 02:12:29,600
Surgery on of the Turin. 
Teen called pale win. 

2424
02:12:30,100 --> 02:12:32,700
Welcome to Stephanie the 
Peerless dwarf of the lowlands 

2425
02:12:32,700 --> 02:12:35,500
sir Rutherford the brave knight 
of the lizards and Wilson's, 

2426
02:12:35,500 --> 02:12:39,300
vain, Carol of the House of 
black and white and red all over

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02:12:39,500 --> 02:12:42,100
the podcast that.com, family of 
podcast. 

2428
02:12:42,100 --> 02:12:44,400
Hey guys, Mary of house. 
Frumious. 

2429
02:12:44,400 --> 02:12:48,000
Keeper of the library in the 
trees and Marrow Woods, which of

2430
02:12:48,000 --> 02:12:50,500
the where Woodgrove sworn to 
Shepherd of the whispering 

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02:12:50,500 --> 02:12:53,900
children. 
That concludes this episode of 

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02:12:53,900 --> 02:12:58,700
history of Westeros. 
Thank you for listening, Valerie

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02:12:58,700 --> 02:12:59,500
Reedus.