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Episode 3 The Burning Mill A 
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perfect metaphor. 
It's life going in circles, the 

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same cycles of birth and death, 
and when we're looking at things

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like this, blood and revenge and
such, things like that. 

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Like the wheel Danny wanted to 
break. 

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In original Game of Thrones 
show, a windmill keeps on 

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turning around and around, but 
in this case it can turn even if

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it's burning. 
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but this one's way up in the air
and it's a lot more spectacular 

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and cool. 
Are sure sign of times changing 

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is that neither the Blacks or 
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of Whispers until this episode. 
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it's also another cycle because 
the Master of Whispers is not a 

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new position, it's just come 
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The story continues to expand in
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More characters are added, more 
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A lot of them are familiar, but 
with changes and we're seeing 

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them in a different timeline. 
Existing characters that we've 

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been focused on so much are 
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They're not in the same place 
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That gives us more to talk 
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made, more details to discuss. 
As the last vestiges of 

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resistance to war fall away and 
the inevitable approaches. 

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There's a creepy dream and a 
cursed castle. 

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Some dragon action. 
Real Dragons, that is, And a ton

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of dragon history, meaning 
Targaryens, the ancestors, and 

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their potential lesser known 
children are featured today and 

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named often. 
And we've got all that and more 

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on this episode of History of 
Westeros podcast. 

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Are you just going to keep going
longer until I finally say 

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something about it? 
About what? 

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About what? 
What? 

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It's a windmill. 
It just keeps going and going. 

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Anyway, hello and welcome, 
everybody. 

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Welcome back to another review 
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We're very excited to be here. 
Always fun to be in the midst of

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So we're having a good time, 
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It's 6:00 Eastern and we do our 
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We're currently playing House 
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restarting soon with a new house
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help us pick. 
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performances, Easter eggs, 
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themes, especially stuff that we
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It's pretty good for Ryan 
Condell to be talking about it 

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unsaid. 
That's pretty good. 

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That's true. 
That's true. 

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So Sean, we'll start with you. 
What did you think of the 

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episode overall? 
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I loved it. 
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of of the three so far. 
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with the Bernie mill. 
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I was thinking about the idea 
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grain like the power of the 
turning is. 

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The grind is sort of like the 
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ground up on the ground there 
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ensued. 
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know, a symbol of prosperity. 
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or productivity. 
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you know, generating energy, 
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And for that to be burned up, 
there's a sign of war is kind of

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tearing things apart, grinding 
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There's a lot. 
Of less food. 

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Yeah. 
Like that's food you're that's a

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great point, Sean. 
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It's it's kind of a a metaphor 
along the lines of Eric Ark. 

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It's like a bigger version of 
that microcosm of the war and 

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what it causes and what it does 
to everybody and how it just 

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brings people in there. 
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want to be a part of it or not, 
they're just sucked into it. 

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And to be burning is also 
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blood, right? 
That's we're sure. 

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I assume more burning is coming.
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of the mill is up in the air, 
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the air blowing up fire. 
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I think I, Reed and I spent more
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than the other two combined. 
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discuss the other two. 
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thoughts of me about the idea of
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this episode was it's too late. 
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there. 
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too late a long time ago. 
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Rainey's was like, well, was it 
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the, you know, when the dragon 
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was, you know, like how far back
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point of return happened? 
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back, but I do think they're 
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I think it's the sad summary of 
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Is that Renera going to talk to 
Allison Was it's just too late. 

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She had been like, you're right,
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It wouldn't have worked on 
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You know, she doesn't have the 
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she can't stop the mill. 
The mill's burning. 

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The mill's turning. 
The mill's churning, and there's

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no stopping it. 
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episode, short breakdown 
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Just part of this part is our 
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And I highly recommend you check
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One sign that there was more to 
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what you say there's our 
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longer. 
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But with that, I sent it over to
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breakdown. 
And I want to hear your take on 

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this episode. 
You know, it's funny. 

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I think I agree with you, Sean. 
I think this is my favorite of 

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three. 
I think it might have some of 

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the lowest lows for me and the 
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Like I might have some of the 
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still my favorite. 
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the things I would nitpick on or
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just like I just want more of 
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Rayna. 
I felt like I felt I wanted more

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time with Rayna and Baila, more 
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Too much was left unsaid, but I 
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that we're deepening a lot of 
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I liked seeing Alice Rivers. 
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about it was the Burning Mill 
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I thought it was just very, very
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Like the way, like I found 
skipping the battle was the most

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effective way to show how how 
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of control. 
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And so I I found it to be just a
really effective episode in a 

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lot of ways, despite any 
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have. 
A lot of times too, showing the 

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battle can kind of glorify the 
violence and the heroism or 

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whatever, and maybe there is a 
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But I don't think this is it. 
That is not what they want to do

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at all. 
They just want to show the 

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tragedy of it, you know? 
Yeah, and they don't. 

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And they cut away before it 
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You don't even know who swings 
the first blow, what go, what 

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happens from there, How all 
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so much is left unsaid. 
But that stuff isn't important. 

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It's like, yeah, this is the 
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This is what matters. 
This is. 

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And yeah, you guys are right. 
It was it was very effective the

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way they just started small. 
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one Bracken kid. 
The Bracken kid is a perfect 

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example, too. 
He clearly didn't want to be 

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there. 
He was like, I have to do this. 

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Like he was nervous. 
He was he was anxious. 

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know, when a challenge by a 
Blackwood, the weight of history

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was on his shoulders and he was 
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shoulders, you know, and yeah. 
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devastation. 
And then you just keep going. 

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You think, oh, wow, that's a 
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Oh, wow, that's even more. 
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Yeah, yeah, it was really 
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I thought that was good. 
In terms of performance, though,

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I think my favorite performance 
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but was was Aymond for me 
because I felt that you and 

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Mitchell showed just a lot of 
layers to him putting on his 

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armor while walking naked out of
that brothel, you know, like 

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that was him arming himself. 
And I could just really see that

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in him. 
So I I felt it was a small part 

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of the episode ultimately, but I
think that was my favorite 

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performance. 
What about you, Sean? 

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For me, it's been Emma Dorsey 
hands down, by far every episode

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this season and usually 
contending for top two or three 

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last season. 
But I feel like Patty's not 

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there and and she's getting 
featured more. 

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Oh, sorry. 
They yeah, they're getting 

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featured more. 
Renira's getting featured more 

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and a lot of times very nuanced 
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That's, I think sometimes just, 
I remember Cersei. 

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I remember one of the best 
moments of acting and that I've 

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ever witnessed was as the boat 
that I ostensibly had Marcella 

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on. 
It was approach. 

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She realized, you know, that I 
still can't even quite identify 

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what she did with her face to go
from hopeful to devastated, you 

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know, But I feel like Emma Darcy
does that constantly be subtle 

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little shifts in her cheeks and 
her eyebrows and body language 

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and stuff that it just, it just 
blows me away. 

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Especially going back, watching 
it two or three times when you 

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get to pay more attention to the
new one, once you've already 

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resolved, like absorbed, like, 
these are the plot points of 

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this episode and you're looking 
for symbolism or whatever else. 

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Those little subtle acting 
moments really come through to 

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me. 
Yeah, Emma's very popular, doing

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super well. 
Our Facebook group polls, we've 

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been doing those again. 
This one. 

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Emma destroyed everybody. 
They got over 50%. 

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You're allowed multiple choice 
so people can vote for more than

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one person. 
The next highest was like 14%, 

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which is one of the biggest 
overwhelming when we when Paddy 

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had his walk into the throne 
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That episode I think was one of 
the other ones that had the most

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overwhelming like, oh, that one,
you know, second was Matt Smith,

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third was Ewan Mitchell and 4th.
I usually don't mention 4th, but

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I'm going to mention this time 
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Beale AKA Sir Simon Strong. 
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extra cool. 
He gets bonus points for being 

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Sir Simon in real life and on 
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There were two changes to the 
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Prince Jeharis and the hanging 
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We've got a full episode 
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the way though, so we won't we 
won't talk about that from now. 

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We we got that covered 
elsewhere. 

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But Targaryen history, which is 
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intro crawl as well, is 
particularly important in this 

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episode. 
Multiple mentions and influence 

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and vibes of Aegon the 
Conqueror. 

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Jahari's The Conciliator comes 
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Also, bail on the Brave and then
Harrenhal. 

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The history of Harrenhal and the
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overwhelming. 
That comes up very big. 

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The writer of this episode is 
David Hancock. 

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He's been credited as a writer 
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series, but as we know, they 
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credited, but they never work on
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So just take that with a grain 
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He's credited with this one, but
he worked on all of them. 

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He's also a writer for The 
Crown, so he's worked with Matt 

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Smith before and some of the 
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And you know, that's that was a 
very successful show. 

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The director is Gita Vasant 
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finale of this season. 
So we're going to see her work 

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again. 
That's her other episode this 

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season, maybe more Harrenhal. 
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going to get more Harrenhal, but
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episode 8 because of that. 
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as we pointed out in our preview
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directed a lot of comedy, a lot 
of really like seen alleviate 

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alleviating some of the tension 
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Like for example, Mazzari saying
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you know, things like that. 
There's a lot of little lines 

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like that, or. 
That was a funny 'cause it's 

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true moment, by the way, it. 
Was funny 'cause you were or, or

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the throne. 
It's like, yeah, it's a big iron

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chair made of sword. 
Big sword, big chair made of 

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swords. 
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I can't even say it right, but 
it's, it was funny. 

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Anyway, let's go to Dragonstone.
That's where the episode begins.

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There. 
So shall we, Eric? 

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Ark's funeral is the first thing
we see. 

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Jace argues for escalation. 
He's mad. 

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If this happened, he was 
probably friends with Eric. 

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Certainly sees him as one of 
theirs. 

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That was a strike at us. 
We got to strike back. 

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The escalations are escalating. 
You could say everyone except 

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Rainey's once Rainier it is. 
Get on with the war, you know. 

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And. 
Well, they have a point. 

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Are they completely right? 
No. 

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But they have a point. 
I just want to say technically 

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we don't really start here. 
We have a cold open. 

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Right. 
We have the the battle. 

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Yeah, you're right. 
We right. 

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We start here after the intro. 
You're totally right. 

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Good correction. 
Good correction. 

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The proper port point of the 
episode starts here. 

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But you're right. 
Yeah. 

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Battle of the Burning Mill is 
the cold open, and it's very 

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effective. 
So Rainey's admits. 

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Yeah, we got to try. 
But she even admits to the 

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possibility that might be too 
late. 

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And she speaks to this by 
saying, yeah, Otto would never 

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have ordered this. 
Otto would never have ordered 

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this crazy plan. 
This is someone young and angry 

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and vindictive ordered this, if 
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them. 
She doesn't know exactly who. 

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And that makes sense. 
But she's at the young, you 

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know, the young horses have the 
bit in their mouth or something 

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to that, that effect. 
I. 

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Think, she said. 
Hotter blood, Hotter. 

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Blood. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

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And this is pretty much straight
from the book. 

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Rainier is delaying of the of 
the war, of escalating it. 

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The sources debate why. 
So the show has to weigh in. 

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And it's not really what the 
book suggests. 

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But that's OK. 
We like character development. 

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And she speaks to. 
Yeah, so the young people must 

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be in control. 
She proves very right about 

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that. 
And as you said at the 

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beginning, the chance to stop 
the war is indeed probably not 

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there, even though they decide 
they need to take that chance 

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just in case. 
It's there because it would 

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prevent so much death. 
It's even a slim chance to 

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prevent millions of deaths or 
hundreds of thousands. 

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Whatever that number you would 
throw out there is worth a try. 

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And you kind of respect the 
attempt, even though for as 

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viewers, we know it's kind of 
hopeless. 

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Some people don't respect the 
attempt, I suppose, but I do. 

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I definitely do, right. 
That's one thing I thought about

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specifically. 
Even if it's only A1 in 100 or 

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one in a million chance, a one 
in a million chance to save 10s 

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of thousands of lives. 
Yeah, take that chance for sure,

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you know? 
Yeah, and arguably it fits with 

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the the whole idea that, you 
know, so many things are rash, 

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so many things are done quickly 
without proper consideration. 

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This might be one of them. 
Going to King's Landing in in 

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disguise. 
Just because she's not going 

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there to kill somebody doesn't 
mean it isn't a rash decision. 

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You know, even though she's 
there for peace doesn't mean it 

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wasn't made in haste or without 
proper forethought as to the 

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chance of success versus, you 
know, what she's risking. 

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So yeah, Rainey's is a great 
line. 

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She says when the desire to kill
and burn takes hold and reason 

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is forgotten, she speaks to the 
same concepts that the 

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Blackwoods and Brackens are 
exemplifying with. 

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We don't even know what started 
it. 

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They don't even know what 
started it. 

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Eventually there's going to be 
so many grievances, so many 

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traumas, that it doesn't even 
matter what started it. 

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You're in it now. 
Like the first thing doesn't 

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matter. 
You've both done so much damage 

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to each other that that is 
keeping it going. 

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The initial provocation is 
irrelevant now. 

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And that's true. 
That's true in life. 

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That's true for a lot of long 
running feuds. 

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And hard to hard to argue with. 
Rainey's there. 

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The Black Council's a little 
farther off the, you know, more 

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ready, shall we say. 
They're pushing really hard. 

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They even suggest Rainier hide 
herself. 

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She responds by suggesting that 
conducting the war without her 

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would be treason. 
Shuts that down pretty quick. 

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She has a line to Mazzaria later
that really explains it. 

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She says hopefully you don't 
mistake mercy for pliancy, which

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is what this is. 
This is mercy and they see it as

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maybe pliancy or weakness. 
And that's interesting because 

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that's that topic comes up with 
her father, right? 

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Laurie says, hey, you know, 
people saw your father as 

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pliable and he doesn't want to 
be like that. 

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So it's kind of some sort of 
parallels are going on here. 

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You know, another parallel 
that's going on here, or maybe a

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contrast? 
I feel like Renera is trying to 

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keep the Black Council in check.
They're all raring to go and 

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she's trying to slow them down. 
Yeah, the Green council, it's 

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the other way around. 
Aegon is all raring to go and 

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everyone trying to slow him 
down, everyone in accounts like,

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well let's be careful, let's get
it together 1st. 

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And he's like, yeah, I'll just 
fly my dragon in there and like,

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hold on a second, like. 
Wait, no, that's not part of the

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plan. 
You can't just add that. 

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You know you could just add a 
dragon to the plan just Willy 

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nilly, right? 
And I think it's key to that. 

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That's part of why Rainey's 
supported Renera got Corley's on

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her side because she respected 
the fact that she wasn't rushing

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in. 
She's trying to avoid war. 

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And there was a moment when it 
kind of locked eyes. 

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I think that might have been 
late at this second. 

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There's there were two Black 
council meetings, if I remember 

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right, and I think it's in the 
second one. 

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But the first time I watched it,
I was trying to read what that 

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connection was. 
And I think that it was 

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Rainey's. 
I don't know how to say. 

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It's assuring Ranira that you're
in control. 

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Do what you think is right. 
And I think what you think is 

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right is what I think is right, 
too, which is try to avoid war. 

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Go talk to Allison. 
You know, don't dive in with 

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these Dragons. 
Yeah. 

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And that's a good point. 
Yeah, they're they're kind of 

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seeing eye to eye, even though 
maybe there's not a lot of 

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optimism. 
They understand what's going on 

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and they're not unable to 
really. 

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One thing I would say, there's a
little bit of Jon Snow here 

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where he's not where she's not. 
Rainier's not doing a good job 

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of communicating this to her 
counselors. 

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She's just kind of saying, OK, 
I've heard your arguments and I 

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know what's best, but I'm not 
telling you why. 

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And that I would have liked to 
see her maybe try to explain 

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that more. 
But I think maybe they would 

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just argue with her. 
She kind of doesn't want to 

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because they're she's not going 
to be able to convince them. 

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So it's kind of pointless. 
Also, the the thing she's got in

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the back of her mind right now 
is I'm going to sneak into 

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King's Laney and talk to the 
Queen. 

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Well, not this early, no. 
Way they're going to go for 

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that. 
They're not going to go for 

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that. 
I don't think she's thinking 

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that this early, though. 
Not this early because she 

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doesn't agree. 
She doesn't think of doing. 

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It. 
Yeah, once she opens the letter,

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then she starts thinking about 
doing. 

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It I think in this first one to 
end with her kind of like 

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saying, hey, you guys are 
pushing trees in here and 

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Rainey's kind of backing her up.
Rainey's the second one when she

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brought I'll take your advice 
into consideration. 

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I think she's thinking about 
this. 

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Then she goes talk to Missari, 
right. 

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So one, there's no way they 
would be she's OK with this. 

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And two, she's got to keep it 
secret. 

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She, she can't let people know 
that she's even doing this, you 

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know? 
Yeah, and that's kind of what I 

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meant about it being rash. 
If she's not getting anyone 

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else's opinion or she knows they
won't like it, which is why she 

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doesn't ask. 
And so, yeah, it does look like 

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they're making that mistake, 
seeing her as pliable or weak 

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when she's just trying to be 
like a good king or queen 

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Jairus. 
And that's the name drop that 

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Rainey's makes. 
Like, look, look who had the 

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longest reign. 
Jerry's, he was the wisest one. 

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He was peaceful. 
Look what she's trying to do. 

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We've talked about Rainier 
having a split role, both queen 

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and a mother. 
Well, she takes steps to resolve

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that somewhat and focus on the 
queen part, try to set the 

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motherhood aside so it's not a 
distraction. 

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But of course, it's very hard to
do this. 

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She doesn't like the idea of 
herself hiding, but sending away

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the kids and the young Dragons 
and eggs, that makes sense to 

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her. 
They're very close to King's 

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Landing. 
Lots can go wrong. 

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Having them somewhere else makes
sense. 

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She's sitting there alone in in 
the room that had her kids and 

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you get that sense of loneliness
and that's pretty moving, I 

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think when she's sitting there 
very sad and and without them, 

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of course, that's jumping head a
little bit. 

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She has to actually send them 
away first here, which is what 

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we're talking about. 
She puts Reyna in charge of all 

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this, right? 
That's a big deal. 

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And it comes back to one of our 
main themes because it's both 

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duty and sacrifice here. 
Like you have to go do this 

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thing that you're not happy 
about, but it's really 

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important. 
It's a really big duty. 

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And she's like, I don't want to 
be a mother figure. 

450
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,960
You know, I'm a teenager. 
I want to go fight, blah, blah. 

451
00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:24,040
Which understandable. 
But her tune changes when the 

452
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,440
eggs get introduced to the mix. 
She's like, well, we also need 

453
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,560
you to carry care for these 
eggs. 

454
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,240
And that's that's huge, right? 
That's for her. 

455
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,360
That's like, oh, OK, well, this,
I still don't want to go do 

456
00:22:34,360 --> 00:22:36,320
this, but it, it kind of leaves 
her in in awe. 

457
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,800
And, you know, it's interesting.
There's three eggs in the book 

458
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,640
and they added a fourth one, 
which I don't know what that's 

459
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,920
all about, but we but it's been 
confirmed by the director that 

460
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,120
they had conversations with Ryan
Condall and others and they're 

461
00:22:50,120 --> 00:22:51,720
they're saying these are Danny's
eggs. 

462
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:53,920
Yeah, and one of them is Visaris
Egg. 

463
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,840
Little Visaris. 
Of course, right little Visaris,

464
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,560
'cause he doesn't have a, he 
doesn't have a dragon right now.

465
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,560
Yeah, and three of them are 
Danny's. 

466
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,600
I initially thought they weren't
because I was thinking of 

467
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,160
Danny's eggs from the book, and 
Drogon's egg is black in the 

468
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:09,320
book. 
So I was like, there's no black 

469
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,560
egg, this can't be Danny's eggs.
And Nope, Danny's eggs were 

470
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,720
never black in the show, or none
of them were black in the show. 

471
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,560
So yeah, it's the light blue one
there. 

472
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,760
That would be Viserys. 
Also, they would have darkened 

473
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,200
and shifted as they turned to 
stone. 

474
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,160
That's true, I suppose. 
Yeah, that's true. 

475
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:30,040
They are carried off, they are 
put aside and in this kind of 

476
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:34,320
chamber thing now, it's not easy
to see them, but there's also 

477
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,280
two Dragons in cages, little 
Dragons. 

478
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:40,200
There's Tyraxies and Stormcloud.
Tyraxies is Joffrey's dragon and

479
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,640
Stormcloud is Aegon's dragon, 
little Aegon. 

480
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,680
And of course, as we just said, 
Viserys just has an egg, a light

481
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,680
blue egg. 
And there the plan is Rainier 

482
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,520
says hit right, Prince Reggio. 
That's the Prince of Pentas that

483
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,040
we saw back in season one. 
And yeah, he shouldn't be Prince

484
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,240
anymore, but whatever, he's 
probably still powerful or 

485
00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:59,280
whatever. 
Maybe he's still Prince. 

486
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,920
I don't think they usually rule 
that long in Pentas, but that's 

487
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,320
OK. 
Small detail. 

488
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,040
And that's the guy they stayed 
with when Lana was alive and all

489
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:08,120
that. 
So they have this connection. 

490
00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:11,640
So presumably Raina Rainier 
expects that he'll say sure, 

491
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,320
come on over. 
And then they'll go from the 

492
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,280
Vale to over there. 
They'll take ship from 

493
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,680
presumably Gull Town, which is 
the big port now. 

494
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,640
Baylor and Rayna part. 
It's always unnerving to see 

495
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,480
siblings part in a Game of 
Thrones type production, right? 

496
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,640
You're like, will they ever see 
each other again? 

497
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,720
You're always kind of like, 
that's the first question we 

498
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,240
talked about. 
Goodbye, brother. 

499
00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:33,360
Well, this is kind of like 
goodbye, sister. 

500
00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:35,600
I don't know. 
What do you think, Sean? 

501
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:40,520
You, I know you have very little
to go on here, but do you guess 

502
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,720
they'll see each other again or 
is this going to be, is this the

503
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,000
one of the many tragedies we're 
we're setting up for? 

504
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,720
Yeah, I, I might not have that 
much to go on, but I'll tell 

505
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,360
you, I do have quite a few 
thoughts. 

506
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:55,080
One is that this is a bit of a 
gamble in the 1st place. 

507
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,520
Like, let me, let me back up and
even say that the idea that 

508
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,480
Renera is like trying to, you 
know, relinquish some of her 

509
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,840
motherly duties for her queenly 
duties. 

510
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,400
But in a way, this is in itself 
a motherly duty. 

511
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,440
She's trying to protect her kids
like she knows their targets, 

512
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,320
Like there's already been 
assassins in both castles 

513
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:19,320
targeting, you know, so getting 
them to safety makes sense on a 

514
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:25,040
certain level. 
However, the deal with, with the

515
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,640
Veil was they're going to send a
dragon to help protect them and 

516
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,040
she's hoping, well, maybe 2 
little Dragons, you know, like 

517
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,960
we're not quite sending what we 
promised, you know, And so I 

518
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:40,600
wonder if the Veil will keep 
their agreement and, or be safe 

519
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,160
from assault from other Dragons.
I, that's one thing I do have to

520
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,480
go on is I, I know the veil 
doesn't get burned down, but 

521
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,280
that doesn't mean a dragon 
doesn't land in there. 

522
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:49,760
That's happened historically 
before. 

523
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,120
Otherwise, and they might get 
embargoed or who knows, whatever

524
00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:56,080
else. 
Also, they're assuming she's 

525
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,840
going to be safe on the voyage 
there, that Dragons won't 

526
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,680
attack, spies or assassins won't
find them, there won't be a 

527
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,720
shipwreck or something on the 
way to Pintos. 

528
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,360
There's like a lot of things 
have to go right for this and 

529
00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:13,200
she is basically putting her 
legacy or the Black's legacy, 

530
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,560
maybe even the Targaryen legacy 
on Rainer. 

531
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,280
All our eggs in one basket, you 
might say you. 

532
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,760
Know it's funny because all the.
Rest of the eggs. 

533
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:23,920
Well, yeah, that's that's The 
thing is that Ryan Condell in 

534
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,040
the behind the scenes, in the 
inside the episode, he says this

535
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,680
is he says this is Rainier and 
not putting all her eggs in one 

536
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,240
basket because she's splitting 
them from Dragonstone. 

537
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,480
But I just don't see it that way
because I see it as she is 

538
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,720
explicitly sending all of her 
kids except for Jace to the same

539
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,960
place right now. 
Which really really seems silly 

540
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,880
to me. 
Personally, I would split them 

541
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,120
right from the get go or I would
keep one with me. 

542
00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:50,600
Simply I know she has Jace with 
her but I would keep. 

543
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,080
To jump in, they are being 
split. 

544
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,240
The idea is to go no, no, hang 
on, let me finish. 

545
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,800
They are going to the Vale and 
then Joffrey's supposed to stay 

546
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,160
there. 
The other kids are. 

547
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:00,920
So they are being split up, just
not immediately. 

548
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,200
I just think they should split 
now. 

549
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,920
I don't even think you send them
off in the 1st place together. 

550
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,240
I think you already you. 
I think you split them a bunch. 

551
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,000
OK, well, I mean, the plan is to
split them quickly, she says. 

552
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,120
I need to. 
Put them in two baskets you're 

553
00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:15,840
waiting for. 
You're waiting for a letter to 

554
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,720
come back from the Prince to get
permission to go over there. 

555
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,280
You can't go there until you 
have permission. 

556
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,120
This was a sudden decision to 
send them away. 

557
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:24,880
So the alternative would be to 
wait for the prince's letter to 

558
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,920
come back to there and have some
of the which isn't that 

559
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,280
different, Like they're they're 
more. 

560
00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:29,600
Yeah. 
OK. 

561
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,960
Well, that's I, I disagree, but 
that's it's debatable. 

562
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,960
Let's let's move on. 
There's pros and cons to either 

563
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,240
approach, but yes, yes, that's 
my other thought here too, was 

564
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,920
that, you know, like you said, 
this is like this party like 

565
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:46,040
here's all of our treasures, 
here's all our family by now. 

566
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,440
I hope you make it safe. 
Like I, I am fearful, especially

567
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,880
I, I, you know, I, I, I don't 
know details, but I, I get the 

568
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,640
idea from the fandom that, you 
know, this is a tragic, 

569
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,640
gruesome, awful story. 
There's already been a child 

570
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,480
beheaded. 
Like, I don't think it's crazy 

571
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,560
that someone goes to Pintos and 
burns up whatever castle they're

572
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,800
in or goes to the veil or 
catches them on the way. 

573
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,600
Like, I'm scared for all these 
characters. 

574
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,320
That's all I'm seeing. 
I am super scared. 

575
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,000
This relationship is really 
interesting between Baila and 

576
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,360
Reyna. 
They're being split and they're 

577
00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:23,000
twins, yet so much of the reason
of them splitting is 

578
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,680
circumstances out of their 
control. 

579
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,320
Ashay, there was really 
interesting behind the scenes 

580
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,160
preparation done for this 
conversation, wasn't there? 

581
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,680
Yeah. 
In an interview with Gita Patel,

582
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,880
she talked about how in order to
prepare Baila and Reyna's 

583
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,960
actors, Phoebe Campbell and 
Bethany Antonia, to really feel 

584
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,520
the, I don't know, depth of 
their relationship and the 

585
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,040
weight of their dynamic. 
She had them, like, argue with 

586
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,760
one another at length and and 
build up all of these different 

587
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,560
resentments and and whatnot that
they would have had for one 

588
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,440
another. 
That would lead Bayla to seem 

589
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,000
kind of casually haughty and 
Rayna, like, she kind of always 

590
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,560
got the short end of the stick. 
And like they would just feel 

591
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,320
this, this dynamic between them 
and I did feel that, which is 

592
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:11,160
what made me want so much more 
of seeing than like snipping at 

593
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,640
each other. 
See, I wanted more conversation 

594
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,880
and less of Raina, just in 
thought. 

595
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:21,160
But I did Phoebe Campbell, they 
did definitely show how 

596
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,960
dissatisfied Reyna was with this
situation. 

597
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,040
I think, like, I think they did 
a good job at showing it. 

598
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,040
And I felt for them. 
I felt for Reyna very much. 

599
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,120
Same, same. 
They were not wanting to be 

600
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,800
sidelined and well, the duty was
the duty. 

601
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:40,040
The sacrifice is the sacrifice. 
The moment when Ranieri was 

602
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:45,160
presenting this mission to her, 
she's really hoping that she's 

603
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,200
she'll just be on board with it.
You know, she's like, please 

604
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,960
volunteer for this. 
And her response is like, yes, 

605
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,760
Queen, I'll do what you're 
making me. 

606
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,040
You know I can't. 
Promise to make you happy, but 

607
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,560
this is really she's. 
Dutiful. 

608
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,000
She doesn't tell Reynira she's 
unhappy with it. 

609
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,920
Yeah, yeah. 
But she does let on to her 

610
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,280
sister. 
But she is clearly like she does

611
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:06,880
what she's told. 
And that's the one of the other 

612
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,000
things they talked about is how 
Bayla is kind of the rebel in 

613
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,120
the relationship and it kind of 
irks her, needles at her that 

614
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,280
she gets rewarded. 
She gets the dragon, she gets to

615
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,600
do everything and and Reign is 
the one who has to go be 

616
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,880
nursemaid to these kids. 
I didn't even catch that. 

617
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,320
That's kind of a parallel 
between Allison to Renera, 

618
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,000
right? 
Allison feels like I'm doing 

619
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,760
everything I'm supposed to do, 
and she's running around 

620
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,440
breaking the rules. 
She gets to be queen, you know? 

621
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,800
You see that? 
It's a big absolutely parallel 

622
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,160
here. 
I wrote several other ones 

623
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,480
alongside Allison and Rainier as
a parallel to them. 

624
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,360
It's also Robert and Stannis are
similar. 

625
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,040
Robert was very loose and easy 
and great at fighting. 

626
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,240
He doesn't have a dragon, but 
he's got kind of the equivalent 

627
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,000
of an inborn dragon. 
He's a way better, a way better 

628
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,640
word than Stannis. 
Stannis was none of those 

629
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,520
things. 
He's not loose, not easy, not 

630
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,800
great at fighting, you know, not
great with talking to people. 

631
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,480
Yeah. 
So the rule breaker versus the 

632
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,360
guy that does what he wants. 
Everything works out for him 

633
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,800
until it until it doesn't. 
Ditto Jamie and Cersei, though 

634
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,160
really neither of them are big 
on rules. 

635
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,480
The point is, Cersei says if she
had a sword or was a man, she 

636
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,040
would get away with the things 
Jamie does, etcetera. 

637
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:13,880
And technically Bail is the 
older one. 

638
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,960
So it is kind of the, you know, 
the the older, the older sibling

639
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,880
gets everything in the society 
like this, that vibe is there as

640
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,720
well. 
Let's talk about Drift. 

641
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:27,240
Mark Rainey's brings dinner to 
her husband, reminding us that 

642
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,520
they are one of the few 
reasonably functional couples in

643
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,640
the entire story. 
This set wasn't planned for 

644
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:33,920
rain. 
They were not supposed to film 

645
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,440
the scene in the rain 
necessarily. 

646
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,920
It just kind of happened and 
they just, you know, went with 

647
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,280
it. 
You know, it's, it's an island, 

648
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,040
things would happen. 
Why not just hey, it's rain. 

649
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,720
It's funny 'cause this is 
supposed to be a dry dock and 

650
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,280
it's, you know, that's, that's 
not literally dry. 

651
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,320
It just means that it's a place 
where ships are built on land. 

652
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:55,000
But it was very much not dry. 
It was a wet dock and it was 

653
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,560
huge. 
It's an enormous set. 

654
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,240
There's very little green screen
in this thing. 

655
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:02,200
The only stuff that CGI is the 
stuff way in the distance. 

656
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,680
Like none of the what's on 
screen now is all practical. 

657
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,200
That's all real. 
Only the like horizon and the 

658
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,200
buildings in the far distance 
are green screen. 

659
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,880
So it's it's really big. 
And that says something because 

660
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,760
there's also the massive set 
Harrenhal, the massive Red Keep 

661
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,560
and there's just so many huge 
sets for the show. 

662
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,760
Corley's refers to Rainier, his 
lack of action as well. 

663
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,400
He's also like wondering when 
they're going to get to it. 

664
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,120
He said he calls them the 
Ditherers of Dragonstone. 

665
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,000
Rainey's doesn't mention that 
she's one of the ones arguing 

666
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,240
for the delay, but that's 'cause
she's got another thing she was 

667
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,800
talking about. 
She also doesn't remember again,

668
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,560
she also doesn't expect the last
ditch attempt to work just so 

669
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,200
there's no point in her arguing 
with him about it. 

670
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,280
But she presses him on the 
matter of Drift Mark and he's 

671
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,080
kind of changed his tune. 
It's kind of annoying her. 

672
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,160
I think he was fine giving Drift
Mark to Luke and Luke was like, 

673
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:50,240
I don't know anything about 
ships. 

674
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,040
I get seasick. 
But, you know, he just, that was

675
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,840
the situation. 
But when it comes to giving it 

676
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,840
to his younger brother, who's 
the same, he's like, I don't 

677
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,240
want to do that, you know, or 
Reyna, who he's like, I don't 

678
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,680
want to do that either. 
I'm like, but what's the 

679
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,320
difference here? 
What's the problem? 

680
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,040
He doesn't have a straight 
answer. 

681
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:08,240
And she's like, well, what are 
you going to do? 

682
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,080
Those are the only two options. 
She's like, we'll figure it out.

683
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,000
She's like, what do you mean 
we'll figure it out? 

684
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,400
What the hell are you talking 
about? 

685
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,800
But he leaves. 
So like, the discussion's over. 

686
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:18,880
So yeah, let me get your take on
this one. 

687
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,400
Sean, what do you think is going
on here? 

688
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:21,920
This, this whole, like, 
Driftmark plot? 

689
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,520
Is this really, really hiding 
some stuff here? 

690
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:27,160
They're really keeping there's 
some unresolved things going on,

691
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,720
huh? 
I feel like Reyna should 

692
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,400
definitely be it for multiple 
reasons. 

693
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,160
One, the actual Valerian 
bloodline, if there's any 

694
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,360
concern for that, she has it, 
right? 

695
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:43,520
And two, they're trying to buck 
this idea. 

696
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,960
If it has to be a male that 
inherits, well, you have this 

697
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,360
woman that can like, I can't 
believe that Corliss is even 

698
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,720
like wavering in any way about 
this. 

699
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,400
And never mind the fact that 
like she's like, we don't have 

700
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:57,880
to. 
You're about to go off the war. 

701
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,160
If you die, then what do we do? 
Like, that's the whole, that's 

702
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,960
like this whole dilemma comes 
from that, right? 

703
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,320
Like that. 
It's just, this is just like a 

704
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,000
smaller version for the Valerian
House. 

705
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,480
But that's the whole dilemma 
going on with the Targaryen 

706
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,360
House, right? 
Yep. 

707
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,480
He's just making the same 
mistake as Thesaurus, except 

708
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:18,159
maybe even worse by not even. 
Maybe it's better by not even 

709
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:20,080
decided at all. 
Maybe that means Rainey's does 

710
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:24,560
get decided if he dies and it 
and I don't know, but it it 

711
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:29,360
definitely seemed like he was 
being inexplicably 

712
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,440
uncooperative. 
Like maybe he doesn't want to 

713
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,440
face the reality of it or 
something, you know? 

714
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,600
I don't know. 
Maybe he's got some other idea 

715
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,840
up his sleeve or something. 
I don't know. 

716
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,760
Maybe. 
All right, let's talk about the 

717
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,520
Riverlands. 
We talked about the Burning Mill

718
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,679
a bit already, but there's some 
more things to say, of course. 

719
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,960
The first of all, the Riverland.
Why is the Riverland so 

720
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,639
important? 
Well, it's been brought up by 

721
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:54,960
both sides as the most important
region for several reasons. 

722
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,560
Part of that is simply that so 
many of the other regions have 

723
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,160
already decided for one side or 
another, so they're just, it's 

724
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,640
settled, at least for now. 
The Veil is marching for the 

725
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,680
blacks, so it's the North. 
The West is for the Greens, most

726
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,200
of the Reach is too, but not all
of it, as Allison and Otto 

727
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,040
discussed regarding, you know, 
with regard to the Tyrells and 

728
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,240
all that. 
So that's that's a developing 

729
00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:15,720
situation. 
But most of the Reach seems to 

730
00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:17,400
be for the Greens. 
The Crown lands. 

731
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,040
Well, that's about to be fought 
over. 

732
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,960
It looks like Cole is headed to 
some nearby Crown lands houses 

733
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,240
with his plan. 
Now, Baratheon's a little 

734
00:35:25,240 --> 00:35:28,280
interesting because they're for 
the Greens, but there's no word.

735
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,240
They don't mention that there's 
troops massing or troops on the 

736
00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:31,600
marsh. 
It just doesn't mention which is

737
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:36,920
like that's and they should have
a tighter connection than most 

738
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,640
of these because there's a 
marriage alliance. 

739
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:43,240
There's a Amond Baratheon 
marriage already. 

740
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,440
Well, betrothal. 
It's not a marriage yet. 

741
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,560
Iron Isles is up in the air, but
no one's going to go there to 

742
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,280
fight over it because it's so 
far away, so remote. 

743
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,240
You know, maybe a dragon could 
go there and burn it. 

744
00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:57,440
But Dalton Greyjoy has been 
mentioned. 

745
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:02,200
So you know, that is a thing. 
It remains to be seen what role 

746
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,240
the the Iron Isles will have in 
the show, but we do discuss the 

747
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:09,480
red Kraken, Dalton Greyjoy in a 
separate episode, scripted 

748
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,360
episode with Radio Westeros 
that's available to patrons and 

749
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,920
subscribers. 
So both of them talk about all 

750
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,880
these things, the river lands 
that makes that not only are 

751
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,880
they in in the center, which can
enable them to maybe cut off 

752
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,280
some of the other armies, but 
they're the closest to King's 

753
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:28,440
Landing and they're undeclared. 
So they must be claimed. 

754
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,280
It's it's a huge amount of 
soldiers up in the air. 

755
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,840
Yeah, I was going to say being 
in the Sinner is is very 

756
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,800
important because if the 
Lannisters want to bring their 

757
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,160
armies across to King's Landing,
well, they got to pass through 

758
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,640
the river lands, right? 
Almost any army that needs to 

759
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,080
move from one territory to 
another has to cross through 

760
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:50,640
there. 
So either being stopped, you 

761
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,680
know, having to fight their way 
through there versus facilitated

762
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,360
on the way through there is 
huge. 

763
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:56,800
Yeah, it's very huge. 
Yeah. 

764
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,040
Like, for example, if the Greens
controlled the Riverlands, the 

765
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,200
North wouldn't be able to get 
their troops through or the 

766
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,080
Veil, they'd have to either take
ship or something like that. 

767
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,200
So if they So the contrast is if
they do control the Riverlands, 

768
00:37:07,240 --> 00:37:09,520
they've got an easy time 
bringing those troops through 

769
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,720
and maybe bringing them all 
together which. 

770
00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:13,880
Is surely the West your troops 
from coming? 

771
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,560
Yeah. 
And cutting them off from King's

772
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,320
Landing. 
So it's a really big deal. 

773
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,680
This this is you can you can 
understand strategically why 

774
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,960
both sides have reached a 
similar, if not nearly identical

775
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,160
conclusion. 
Now, here's a funny thing about 

776
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,040
the numbers. 
Damon mentions that there's 

777
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,400
40,000 swords in the Riverland. 
That's considerably more than A 

778
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,040
Song of Ice and Fire, but 
there's a sensible and simple 

779
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,280
explanation for it. 
Robber's Rebellion was 20, less 

780
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:37,960
than 20 years before the 
beginning of A Song of Ice and 

781
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,720
Fire. 
A lot of people died in that. 

782
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,760
And at this point in history, 
not only has there not been a 

783
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,480
war in the Riverlands for a long
time, not since Megor fought 

784
00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:52,000
some faith in there, and which 
wasn't nearly as bad as the War 

785
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,840
of 5 Kings, there was the Golden
age of Targaryen rule, Jaharis 

786
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,680
and Alicean. 
That we're not that far removed 

787
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,800
from where the Riverlands 
prospered, probably as much as 

788
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:06,200
it had in probably 1000 years 
given all the war-torn eras that

789
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,560
came before it and ruled by 
other kingdoms. 

790
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,240
So that's why they're so strong 
right now. 

791
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,720
There's also the strong 
possibility that the numbers are

792
00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:19,600
being inflated. 
Like, you know, if it's 37,035 

793
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,400
thousand, they're going to round
up to to 40. 

794
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:22,280
Like they they well. 
Sure. 

795
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:23,600
But that would be true for all 
the regions. 

796
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,520
So that's I don't know if that 
probably just comes out in the 

797
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,560
wash, but anyway, it remains to 
be seen. 

798
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,280
And of course people will die in
the process, But it's that's a 

799
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,960
lot of soldiers that one side 
doesn't want the other side to 

800
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:35,680
have and would certainly like to
have on theirs. 

801
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,240
People like iron rod and Sir 
Simon point out that the black 

802
00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:42,320
woods and brackets will use any 
excuse to fight each other, and 

803
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,080
it's hard to argue that this 
creates compelling 

804
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:46,800
responsibility for a would be 
ruler. 

805
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:51,520
Ranira learned that just saying 
I want Prince Aymond that was 

806
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,120
went horribly wrong for her. 
She did not intend for that kid 

807
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,320
to be killed over that, but she 
nevertheless she takes part 

808
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,080
responsibility for it. 
We have the same thing here. 

809
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,800
This is Blackwood kid who is 
named Davos apparently. 

810
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,880
And a little word on that, it's 
Davos Blackwood and Aaron 

811
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,760
Bracken according to the 
subtitles. 

812
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,960
But Ryan Condall told us in the 
interview that we did. 

813
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,840
So y'all may have heard this 
already, but for the rest of 

814
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,160
you, and this bears repeating 
anyway, they don't give names to

815
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,080
a lot of these characters. 
They didn't name William 

816
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,600
Blackwood and Gerald Blackwood 
in season one, those two that 

817
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,160
fought each other and and the 
kid killed bigger bracken guy. 

818
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,320
They did not give them names. 
A different part of the show 

819
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,600
team like the marketing 
department somebody gave them 

820
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:36,240
names and Ryan's like Oh well we
didn't do that because they 

821
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:38,280
don't want to give names that 
conflict with cannon. 

822
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:39,800
This is their way to just kind 
of dodge that. 

823
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,760
So at least these are names that
aren't used. 

824
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,000
So they're just this is just 
some other brother or some other

825
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:46,200
cousin. 
That's fine. 

826
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,920
It's not a big change. 
It's it's a we were. 

827
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,080
People are annoyed more when 
they take an existing character 

828
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,400
and use them differently, which 
they didn't seem to do here. 

829
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,960
There's definitely difference 
between book and show version of

830
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,840
of this battle, but the results 
pretty much the same in terms of

831
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,160
how it's going to affect the 
greater picture. 

832
00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:05,840
If I remember right, the context
of what Ryan Condell said was 

833
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,080
not not just that they don't 
want to like disrupt established

834
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,760
Canon, but they want to keep 
their options open for future 

835
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,680
Canon, like new shows they make 
later. 

836
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,040
They might want to be able to 
say this or that person was this

837
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:19,880
or that person's ancestor 
battle, whatever. 

838
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,240
So they don't want to pigeonhole
themselves by naming them now if

839
00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:23,880
they don't have to, so. 
Good point. 

840
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,960
So the Blackwood kid Davos, he 
calls Egon no true king while 

841
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,720
his equivalent Aaron Bracken 
says Rainier is a baby killer. 

842
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:34,480
So they're already like arguing 
over the blacks and greens and 

843
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,840
using it as leverage to restart 
their own fight that even they 

844
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:44,040
don't remember what started it. 
And it's it's good detail here. 

845
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:48,280
Remember what's said at council?
Not just at council in the green

846
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,120
council, but at Harrenhal when 
the mention of Grover Tully 

847
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:52,920
comes up. 
Yes, that's another muppet 

848
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,520
Tully, Grover Tully. 
They're they talk about how he's

849
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,080
his his vassals aren't obeying 
him. 

850
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,440
And what does Davos Blackwood 
hearsay? 

851
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,800
He's like F the ass eyes because
Bracken's like, well, the ass 

852
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,920
eyes at river run. 
He's like F the ass eye like so 

853
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,840
he's basically saying that he's 
like, I don't care what the what

854
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,720
Lord Tully says. 
We're not, you know, this is 

855
00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:12,400
that disobedience. 
Of course, starting a fight is a

856
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:17,880
bigger act of disobedience, but 
it goes to show that the little 

857
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,280
bits of disobedience of we're 
there to to set up this bigger 

858
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:22,960
act of disobedience. 
And I like how that's very 

859
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:27,240
consistent throughout greens and
blacks and just the way the 

860
00:41:27,240 --> 00:41:29,840
metaphors are used. 
It's interesting too. 

861
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,600
It comes up later. 
Damon hasn't heard of it. 

862
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,880
He's like blackens and brackets 
hate each other. 

863
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,600
He's like, whoa, you're like the
one guy who hasn't heard of this

864
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,720
man. 
But it's I like it. 

865
00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:43,160
He's just, he's a Targaryen. 
That's just in his bubble and 

866
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,320
doesn't give a crap about the 
history of Westeros. 

867
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,880
He's deeply rooted in Targaryen 
history, but he doesn't care 

868
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,840
about history of the Riverlands 
or history of the Veil. 

869
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,960
That's none of that. 
This goes right past him, but 

870
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,000
it's kind of shocking to hear 
that he doesn't know anything 

871
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,160
about. 
He's like, why do they hate each

872
00:41:58,160 --> 00:41:59,200
other? 
It's like he hasn't even heard 

873
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,120
of this conflict. 
He not only does he and many 

874
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,760
Targans live in ivory tower, but
he went to live in ivory tower 

875
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,480
on another continent Even so. 
Yeah, yeah, right. 

876
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,240
It's more like a, it's closer to
an Obsidian tower, really. 

877
00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:16,760
But hey, you know, same 
difference, same point. 

878
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,840
So I love that. 
Yeah, it's really good job with 

879
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,760
this and I'm curious where it 
will go. 

880
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,440
Let's go to Harrenhal. 
Let's let's go nearby the 

881
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:28,320
Burning Mill over to Harrenhal. 
How freaking cool was this 

882
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,960
landing scene, the flight in 
darkness through the clouds with

883
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:36,960
the approach over the Isle of 
Faces and all those shots. 

884
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,360
Just super cool, right, Sean? 
This was really awesome, wasn't 

885
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,360
it? 
Oh, yeah, absolutely. 

886
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:47,080
The I, I got to say that was 
that that the perspective of 

887
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,280
Damon looking down his dragon at
the castle beneath him. 

888
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:57,680
That's I don't know, I'd like I 
just I believe he's riding a 

889
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,400
dragon. 
I don't know how else to say, 

890
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,920
you know, like they they're, 
they're coming at it from all 

891
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,400
different angles. 
It's I, I feel like in the past,

892
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,640
they it it's been coming along 
for a few years, special effects

893
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,120
and camera work and everything, 
but just more than ever. 

894
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,120
It they don't have to. 
I don't know how to say it's 

895
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,600
like fudge anything. 
They don't have to like show 

896
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,680
them get in a saddle and in it 
that for now on the cuts are 

897
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:23,800
always right from the chest up. 
You see you see every angle from

898
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,560
every direction fully. 
You know, it's really they're, 

899
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,920
they've immersed the Dragons 
into reality. 

900
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,600
Yeah, it's fantastic. 
There's lots of history here. 

901
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:38,920
Damon is repeating some history 
or or or at least channeling it.

902
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:44,880
Valerian when he burned in Heron
Hall with Aegon as his writer. 

903
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:46,840
You're making it about Valerian,
not Aegon. 

904
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,720
Came at night as well. 
He attacked at night to make it 

905
00:43:49,720 --> 00:43:52,120
harder for them to shoot at him.
Smart play. 

906
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,440
And the first tower he burned is
King's fire tower and it was 

907
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,760
called that because the King was
in the tower when it was burned.

908
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,760
King Heron. 
And well, that's where he lands.

909
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,560
He lands on King's fire tower to
arrive to announce his arrival. 

910
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:09,160
And it's like, yeah, OK, that's 
not symbolic. 

911
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,000
Another dragon landing on the 
very place where the king 

912
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,800
landed. 
And he's maybe not quite as 

913
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,000
dangerous, but in some ways 
maybe is more dangerous. 

914
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:23,440
And it's depicted in the intro 
crawl. 

915
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,280
We've talked about it quite a 
lot of history of Westeros. 

916
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,080
This is a pretty big moment. 
The the burning of Harrenhal and

917
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,360
Aegon's Conquest, all that. 
But as he's walking around the 

918
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,560
castle, he gets down. 
No one's there. 

919
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,000
No one's no one confronts him. 
He's walking around with his 

920
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:40,160
sword and the behind the scenes 
it said that he wants a fight, 

921
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,400
like he's looking for a fight. 
He's almost disappointed that it

922
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,640
was so easy. 
And he comes up on the spot 

923
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,360
where the great Council was. 
And that's a really great 

924
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,720
moment. 
He's looking out over the over 

925
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:54,080
the railing there. 
And it's it's right before that 

926
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:55,600
trailer shot. 
We've seen how much time for the

927
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,040
lights coming through and he's 
he's kind of moved. 

928
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,920
He stares at it for a minute. 
He looks at it. 

929
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:02,760
He's probably remembering what 
happened and how important that 

930
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,000
moment was. 
There's also how strong banners,

931
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,240
you can barely see them on 
either side there. 

932
00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:11,120
That's dark and so you can't see
the color that would be present.

933
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,040
And how strong has the the 
colors of the Trident, the 

934
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,360
blue-green and red, kind of like
your shirt there, Sean, but 

935
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,560
you've got yellow instead of and
that's Star Trek, not the 

936
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,520
Trident. 
But hey, close enough Star Trek.

937
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,360
How strong? 
Pretty. 

938
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,560
Similar. 
They both have s s Yeah, yeah. 

939
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:30,200
It's also worth noting those 
banners are part of probably the

940
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,000
discoloration is from being 
burned. 

941
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,840
Like the edges look black and 
frayed, there's probably soot 

942
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,040
and such on them from probably 
the fire that Laura started, 

943
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,000
right? 
Yeah, good point, Good point. 

944
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,160
Yeah. 
And there's echo Y sounds. 

945
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,320
There's. 
It's supposed to be ghostly, and

946
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,000
you're supposed to get a sense 
of why the place is considered 

947
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,600
cursed. 
There's a flight of bats, which 

948
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,240
is pretty cool. 
That's the sigil of House 

949
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:56,560
Lofton, who will be the next 
house to rule after the 

950
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,760
Strong's. 
And they have a sigil? 

951
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,200
Yeah, they have a single bat as 
their sigil. 

952
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,840
And then the house that rules 
after the Lostons is the Wentz 

953
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,080
and they have 9 bats as their 
sigil because they were 

954
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:06,680
household Knights of the 
Lostons. 

955
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,720
There's weirwood roots growing 
in various places inside. 

956
00:46:09,720 --> 00:46:11,200
We did confirm those are 
weirwood roots. 

957
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,680
It's just that the heart tree is
expanded enough to to 

958
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,680
breakthrough the castle and and 
all that. 

959
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,800
And note to weirwood itself, 
it's stretching towards the Isle

960
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:24,560
of Faces. 
Shout out to Glidus, I know a 

961
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,680
few people caught this, but he's
the first one I saw to catch 

962
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,000
this. 
That it looks like it's reaching

963
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:32,640
towards it's, it's others, it's 
it's community, it's it's 

964
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,080
networked over there on the 
Isle. 

965
00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:37,520
That's a great catch and a great
thing for them to have put in. 

966
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:43,200
You know, Game of Thrones and 
George Martin in general is 

967
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:47,200
thought of as sort of this 
fantasy drama adventure, which 

968
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:48,800
it is. 
But I think if you're going to 

969
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:53,920
put another attached to the next
qualifying genre on there and to

970
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,280
Martins writings in general, 
it's probably horror, maybe 

971
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,920
mystery, mystery and horror, and
I think both those were 

972
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,560
demonstrated well in this 
cinematography, like it seemed 

973
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,160
like this was spooky or wait for
something to jump out of the 

974
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:07,440
corner for their moms to be 
there. 

975
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,160
Damons a little scared, even if 
maybe it's confident, ready for 

976
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,720
battle, but it's this isn't what
he was expecting. 

977
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,520
Does that make sense? 
This sort of like dark abandoned

978
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,400
raining hallways and. 
And sure enough, it gets a 

979
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,640
little bit more specifically 
haunting in the next scene or 

980
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:22,840
one of the next couple scenes. 
But. 

981
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,000
Yeah, the only other time he's 
probably been here is during the

982
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,520
Great Council and that's when 
like all the Lords of the realm 

983
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,680
were there so it would not have 
had this vibe of being empty 

984
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,960
and. 
In fact, it was almost like a 

985
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,440
city cause all the Lords and 
their entourages, there was like

986
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,680
10s of thousands of people maybe
had converged on Harrenhal for 

987
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:42,400
that. 
And now it's just this empty, 

988
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,000
abandoned. 
And that does also add, I didn't

989
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,320
even think about that. 
But it adds to his how 

990
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:52,120
perplexity is by how abandoned 
and fallen the the state of 

991
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,320
disrepair that it's in is the 
term they used, you know? 

992
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,000
That's why one of the things I 
like so much about this spooky 

993
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,720
Harrenhal sequence was that 
there was kind of an under an 

994
00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:03,120
undercurrent of of humor 
actually in it. 

995
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,800
And that he's like waiting and 
thinks it's all spooky and then 

996
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,920
he gets in there and it's just 
like his family at at dinner. 

997
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,280
So Simon and he just like speaks
to him and he's just kind of 

998
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,840
like underwhelming and like, so 
there's just like, I found it 

999
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,440
humorous. 
It's so mundane. 

1000
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,200
He's like, yeah, this place is 
creepy, but we're normal. 

1001
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,280
Yeah, we're just having dinner 
and I'm not going to fight you. 

1002
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:24,640
I mean, look at you. 
You. 

1003
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:26,240
You have that armor. 
You have a dragon. 

1004
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:27,920
Like, what am I? 
I'm an old guy. 

1005
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:28,880
Like, I'm not going to fight 
you. 

1006
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,280
Come on. 
So yeah, he says I'm claiming 

1007
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,240
Haranol. 
And they're like, it would 

1008
00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:37,040
appear so it's like you want 
some paint peas. 

1009
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,080
So it's so it is funny. 
Yeah. 

1010
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:41,480
So it's like, sorry about that. 
Yeah. 

1011
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:46,240
And part of the reason this this
scene is so funny is you got 

1012
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:49,440
some really talented actors 
going to work here. 

1013
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:54,800
This is Sir Simon Russell Beale,
who our friend Robert, AKA in 

1014
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,360
Deep Geek. 
A lot of y'all have seen his 

1015
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:57,720
videos. 
Very popular channel. 

1016
00:48:57,720 --> 00:48:59,720
We write videos for his channel 
as well. 

1017
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:05,560
He told me that just today 
actually, that Sir Simon Russell

1018
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:11,880
Beale is like the guy in England
for theater, for stage acting. 

1019
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:16,800
He's like a generational talent 
OR is recognized as such for in 

1020
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,040
the Shakespearean circles and 
all that. 

1021
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:22,440
So a this, there's got to be 
more of him. 

1022
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,960
They didn't one off him here. 
And of course, why would they? 

1023
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,680
It looks like there's clearly 
more to come in this Harrenhal 

1024
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:29,600
B. 
That's part of why the scene is 

1025
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,000
so good. 
The dialogue is so good. 

1026
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,360
You got just some some extreme 
talent going here, someone who 

1027
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,880
really knows their business. 
And it yeah, it is a great 

1028
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,840
scene. 
He he, he nails nails. 

1029
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:43,960
He kneels his sons kneel with 
him. 

1030
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,000
But Alice Rivers done doesn't 
not. 

1031
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,160
She walks in and kind of gives a
look and he looks back at her 

1032
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,880
and then just kind of looks back
and is ignores her for the 

1033
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:53,280
meantime. 
We'll come back to her in a 

1034
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:54,400
minute. 
Let's talk about Alice Rivers 

1035
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,880
separately. 
He points out how damp the place

1036
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,720
is and he's and, and and that's 
really important and apparent. 

1037
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,080
It's like, oh, yeah, well, 
that's that's true. 

1038
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,720
He says, well, your kin is Lars 
strong. 

1039
00:50:07,720 --> 00:50:09,080
Like, how am I supposed to feel 
about this? 

1040
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,480
Like, oh, that dude Clubfoot, 
he's no Lord of mine. 

1041
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,360
That's a pretty convincing 
repudiation, wasn't it, Sean? 

1042
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:21,600
It was and the first watch I 
noticed that he, he, there was a

1043
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,360
pause when he asked about it. 
Right. 

1044
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,840
And remember too, I was already 
wondering, like everyone's 

1045
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:30,520
heading to Heron Hall, but the 
Lord of Heron Hall is at the red

1046
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:34,840
key on the side of the black. 
Doesn't he have any say or, or 

1047
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,960
opinion or control or anything 
over this? 

1048
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,040
And, and it seems like maybe not
me. 

1049
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,880
He's too caught up in the 
intrigue of the, the, of the, 

1050
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:46,000
the, the, the Capitol and the 
war pending then this, this 

1051
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,880
house that he inherited, which 
maybe isn't his ambition in the 

1052
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,000
1st place. 
And maybe he'll get to it 

1053
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,160
eventually. 
I'm curious exactly what he 

1054
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,880
thinks about that, what what's 
going on at least in with his 

1055
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,800
hopes or intentions. 
But. 

1056
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:01,080
But whatever they are, he 
doesn't. 

1057
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,120
He's not connected. 
He doesn't seem he's too 

1058
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:04,840
physically far apart and doesn't
seem to be. 

1059
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:09,240
I haven't heard any stories of 
him sending Ravens or control or

1060
00:51:09,240 --> 00:51:11,320
this guy seems to have disdain 
for him. 

1061
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:17,080
So when Damon first asks him, 
pauses a moment and and Damon 

1062
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,800
says something to the effect of,
you know, you know, he's sitting

1063
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,360
on that false council da, da, 
da. 

1064
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,800
And then Simon speaks up and 
lays in Doloris. 

1065
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,560
And the first time I thought 
that he was holding back because

1066
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,640
he wanted to make sure he didn't
say the wrong thing to Damon. 

1067
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,120
He want to make sure he knew 
what side Damon was on. 

1068
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,040
And once Damon would seem to be 
against him. 

1069
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,360
OK, I'm against him too. 
But when you watch it a second 

1070
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:41,720
time, I feel like he was going 
to say all that no matter what. 

1071
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,000
He was just waiting. 
He didn't want to interrupt, but

1072
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:45,240
he's just waiting for a chance 
to talk. 

1073
00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:47,640
Yeah. 
He seemed pretty genuine about 

1074
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,720
his frustration with Laurie's 
and maybe would have been a 

1075
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:53,120
little more tactful if he 
thought that Damon was on the 

1076
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,520
other side. 
But I think he was going to make

1077
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,520
it clear that he didn't respect 
or trust that guy at May, maybe 

1078
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,320
him in at the risk of his own 
life, you know? 

1079
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,640
Yeah. 
Yeah, I think also him referring

1080
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:08,320
to Laurie's clubfoot speaks to 
the the sense that Lares might 

1081
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:12,520
feel from his family that he is 
not maybe beloved and I don't 

1082
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:16,760
know, but I, I, I would guess 
that I would guess that Simon 

1083
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,520
would have called him Clubfoot 
even before he killed his father

1084
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,440
and brother is my point. 
That's entirely possible. 

1085
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,560
Yeah, that's entirely possible. 
Maybe that's part of why Loris 

1086
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,040
didn't have as much trouble 
doing it. 

1087
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,320
He already felt like, screw all 
those people, they don't respect

1088
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:29,960
me. 
Maybe. 

1089
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,280
Maybe he's, well, murdered them.
It does give a little extra 

1090
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:37,440
credit to his, his arson guy for
starting getting the fire going 

1091
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,880
and all that. 
You know, it's like, boy, that 

1092
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,200
arson guy is good, maybe. 
That's what he's in jail. 

1093
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:48,080
For Yeah, well, maybe that's why
they should have kept him there,

1094
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,240
because he's already burned down
to big ones, you know, So it's 

1095
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,720
it's it's pretty convincing. 
Like I said, you seem to agree, 

1096
00:52:53,720 --> 00:52:56,400
but Damon's taking no chances. 
He refers to how easy it would 

1097
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:57,960
be to kill a dragon rider with 
poison. 

1098
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,280
At this point in Targaryen 
history, we don't know anyone 

1099
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,800
who was killed by poison, except
maybe Amy's. 

1100
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:05,920
But that's that's only a 
possibility. 

1101
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:10,440
And it's definitely not even. 
Yeah, it wasn't even necessarily

1102
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,720
poison that killed him. 
It's not clear, but there's no 

1103
00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:14,440
obvious example of some being 
killed by poison. 

1104
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,480
So, yeah, you could read that a 
certain way. 

1105
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,920
That could be foreshadowing or 
it could just be common sense 

1106
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,880
because, yeah, common killing 
someone with a dragon, that 

1107
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,600
seems easier than trying to kill
the dragon, especially in 

1108
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:29,640
battle. 
I love this overhead shot of the

1109
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,160
dining room table. 
Really cool. 

1110
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,720
It kind of shows the distance 
between them and just the 

1111
00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:36,360
emptiness of the place and just 
how much extra space there is. 

1112
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:40,600
And just, it just looks cool. 
And it is a little bit of visual

1113
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:44,200
storytelling as well. 
Damon tells Sir Simon he wants 

1114
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,400
to repair the castle and make it
fit for armies to gather and 

1115
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:50,480
eventually take the throne. 
And he's like, oh, wow, that's 

1116
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:54,720
pretty ambitious, but OK. 
It's that it's it's interesting 

1117
00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:57,000
the whole your Grace thing. 
What did you read into that? 

1118
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:58,000
Sean? 
He wants to be called your 

1119
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,360
Grace. 
And it's not normal for the King

1120
00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:06,360
Consort to be called Your Grace.
So is this him being what 

1121
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:11,000
Rainier has said or is this him 
just wielding extra authority 

1122
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,560
because of the the bits about, 
oh, well, we're all 

1123
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,080
disorganized. 
We, you know, we're in 

1124
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,360
disrepair. 
They're ignoring their Liege 

1125
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:18,760
Lord. 
Is, is, is or is? 

1126
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,720
Maybe a little of both. 
It might be a little of both, 

1127
00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:25,240
kind of like I said before, I 
think that that Damon is, you 

1128
00:54:25,240 --> 00:54:31,160
know, acting on behalf of Ranira
because it lets him have more 

1129
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:34,240
power. 
But if she doesn't, if he'll do 

1130
00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:37,600
things she doesn't want, he'll 
he'll he'll do whatever she 

1131
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:41,480
wants and whatever she doesn't 
want, all in her names. 

1132
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:45,000
That makes sense. 
Like he, I did think that. 

1133
00:54:45,240 --> 00:54:50,520
I did think that it was very 
hypocritical when Simon called 

1134
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:54,600
him my Prince and he corrected 
him to your Grace and he's like,

1135
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:59,120
well I just assumed since Ranira
is the queen that I would call. 

1136
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,840
He said, well, that's the peril 
of assumption. 

1137
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:05,320
Well, what should he have done 
if he had called you your Grace 

1138
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,360
in the 1st place? 
That also would have been an 

1139
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:11,520
assumption and more of an 
assumption that you easily could

1140
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,440
have chastised him for also. 
So I feel like this is also 

1141
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:18,720
Damon being a bully in addition 
to being a hypocrite and 

1142
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,760
basically seizing more power. 
It's it's all the things about 

1143
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:23,520
him that frustrate me. 
We're all happening here. 

1144
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:28,560
One other thing, as much as I 
overall wanted to like overall 

1145
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,320
did love the scene, the 
performance, everything, the 

1146
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,960
writing, but I wanted to like 
Simon Strong there because he 

1147
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,280
seemed understand the potential 
danger. 

1148
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,880
I think he like walked the exact
right line of not just being a 

1149
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:42,680
total coward. 
Does that make sense? 

1150
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,080
They would have lost respect 
from Damon if he'd been like, 

1151
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:48,280
don't kill me, please. 
You know, like I think he knew 

1152
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,640
that he needed to be lordly but 
also be subservient. 

1153
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:52,960
And I think he did a really good
job. 

1154
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:55,760
And so I was starting to like 
this guy. 

1155
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,320
And it also makes sense. 
Maybe he's not. 

1156
00:55:58,720 --> 00:56:01,920
He's a lot of sorts mad that 
Loris killed his family members,

1157
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,680
but also it's insulting by comic
Club Fit rubbed me the wrong way

1158
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:09,000
a little, but he was also a 
little too happy to call Damon 

1159
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:12,240
Your grace. 
I feel like he's like, oh, cool,

1160
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:14,080
good. 
We're going to have a man as a 

1161
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:17,680
king, Renee or is not really the
queen, you'll be the king. 

1162
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,400
That seemed to be what I was 
getting from their interchange 

1163
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,760
and. 
I didn't get that. 

1164
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:24,200
I didn't get that. 
That's interesting. 

1165
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,240
I'm not saying you're wrong, but
I definitely did not get it that

1166
00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:27,320
way. 
He just, I thought he was 

1167
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,080
playing along like, OK, you're 
you're Grace now. 

1168
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:30,800
I didn't read anything extra. 
That's interesting though. 

1169
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:32,560
I suppose a little of both for 
him also. 

1170
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:36,360
Yeah, yeah. 
So definitely more to come 

1171
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:37,520
there. 
It's really interesting. 

1172
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,480
One other thing about the scene 
that I thought was notable and 

1173
00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:46,680
very subtle is that he points 
out how the Bracken Blackwood 

1174
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:50,560
conflict happens in part because
Lord Grover Tully doesn't have 

1175
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:54,040
control over his vassals. 
Just like Lord Jasper Iron Rod 

1176
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:55,960
is going to point out the same 
thing because he's sick and 

1177
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,480
infirm. 
This upsets Damon a little bit 

1178
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,560
because people did the same 
thing to his brother. 

1179
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,080
They were like they were, they 
didn't do what they were 

1180
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:05,680
supposed to do. 
They were a little slack. 

1181
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,240
They kind of got away with 
things while the saris was sick,

1182
00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:11,120
especially Otto, especially 
while he was on Milk of the 

1183
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:14,120
Poppy, things like that. 
So Damon is very sensitive to 

1184
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,800
that whole thing is like, they 
should still obey even when he's

1185
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,040
sick. 
And so that's it's like, yeah, I

1186
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,480
thought that was pretty cool. 
Like under the radar, like 

1187
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,040
sneaky little. 
That's the kind of thing that's 

1188
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:24,920
going to annoy Damon. 
And he was already, kind of, 

1189
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,600
he's already annoyed. 
Yeah, both in general he's 

1190
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,960
worried about, I don't know, his
his brother's legacy or the 

1191
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:32,520
respect brother God or didn't 
get. 

1192
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:36,080
But also very specifically his 
brother said Rener is the queen.

1193
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:37,840
Yes, that's why are we even 
having this war. 

1194
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:39,480
He should have listened to what 
the king said. 

1195
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,920
Just because he's sick doesn't 
mean that not to listen to him. 

1196
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,040
Very good point. 
Yeah, Let's talk about the 

1197
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:45,480
dream. 
The dream was very cool. 

1198
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,440
And it begins so mundane, like 
he's just a dude in his room 

1199
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:49,840
that's annoyed by all the 
dripping. 

1200
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:53,480
It really is a very good way to 
fool us into thinking he's 

1201
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,360
awake. 
Like, did not see the dream part

1202
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,800
coming until it's really obvious
that it's a dream, Like, until 

1203
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,320
it's really not a dream, until 
it obviously is. 

1204
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,560
You know, maybe you could figure
it out by the weird thing with 

1205
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:05,120
the feet and the shaking of the 
door. 

1206
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,240
But I I just thought it was 
clever how they built that up 

1207
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,280
and then all of a sudden you're 
like, whoa, Millie Alcock, what 

1208
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:13,400
the hell? 
And she's they were going the 

1209
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,400
haunted direction. 
You know, I thought that was 

1210
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,080
going to be the ghost of. 
Ghost of Fair enough. 

1211
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:21,520
Strong or something you know? 
Burning ghosts, Yeah, Arya talks

1212
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,280
about burning ghosts when she's 
there. 

1213
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,360
That's that's something that Old
Nan tells her about. 

1214
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,720
Technically it's fiery spirits, 
but same thing burning ghosts, 

1215
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:32,160
right? 
And she accuses him. 

1216
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:33,160
Wait, hold on. 
We backing up? 

1217
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,480
Did you did you have an 
immediate guess as to who who 

1218
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:36,880
might that be? 
Or are we just like, who is 

1219
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:38,160
that? 
Or was it just too quick for you

1220
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,040
to even think about it? 
I thought it was Emma. 

1221
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,080
I thought it was his. 
I thought it was Emma at first, 

1222
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:47,600
which not Emma Darcy. 
I mean Emma Aaron Viserus wife. 

1223
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,720
Yeah, as he was coming up from 
behind, I, I mean, I just 

1224
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,400
thought it was going to be some 
other resident of the council, 

1225
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:58,760
you know, maybe a, a Princess or
a chambermaid or, you know, it 

1226
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,240
didn't occur to me that it was 
going to be a significant 

1227
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,080
figure. 
I was, I was going to say a 

1228
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:06,560
minute ago, like I've heard the 
name Alice Rivers, but I didn't 

1229
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:10,080
know that was Alice Rivers in 
that that room a moment ago. 

1230
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,480
Yeah, Alice Rivers with black 
hair that tells him he's going 

1231
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,360
to die there. 
Yeah. 

1232
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,320
So she accuses him. 
It's a very. 

1233
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,000
It's like his subconscious 
speaking to him. 

1234
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,240
It's really well done. 
It's it's efficient. 

1235
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:24,400
It tells speaks directly to 
what's on his mind and what he 

1236
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,480
should feel guilty about. 
I think she accused. 

1237
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:31,040
She says you're always cleaning,
you're always leaving and make 

1238
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,280
and I'm left behind to clean up 
your messes. 

1239
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,880
And she's sewing Prince Jerry's 
neck back on And he is he is 

1240
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,200
stunned. 
He's moved. 

1241
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,640
He's he feels guilty. 
I think it looks like that all 

1242
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,240
these emotions. 
And it's like also the moment 

1243
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:45,560
you realize it's clearly a 
dream. 

1244
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:48,760
And he also, and behind the 
scenes reveals that's when he, 

1245
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:50,520
the Damon, realizes it's a dream
too. 

1246
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:52,560
I think they were already 
looking for a shook. 

1247
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:53,760
He was. 
Shook. 

1248
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:59,480
Yeah, he was very shook. 
So he comes to while staring at 

1249
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,960
the heart tree, which is another
just wow, 'cause we all 

1250
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:03,680
associate dreaming with heart 
trees. 

1251
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:05,480
So that's just a really cool 
moment. 

1252
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:07,880
Somehow he's already set his 
sword down. 

1253
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:11,600
It's sitting there leaning on 
the root to his left and which 

1254
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:15,720
indicates sleepwalking, I guess.
He looks genuinely afraid. 

1255
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:18,320
He's looking around like, what 
the hell just happened? 

1256
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:23,520
He's outdoors. 
And like, she comes up, Alice 

1257
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,360
Rivers walks out and says, you 
will die in this place. 

1258
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,360
And he looks afraid. 
And this is a man that didn't 

1259
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:35,120
look afraid at all when soloing 
100 pirates, you know? 

1260
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,800
So that really says something 
that he's shook here. 

1261
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:42,720
What do you think, Sean? 
Is Alice Rivers saying telling 

1262
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:44,200
the truth, that he's going to 
die there? 

1263
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:48,960
I mean, I I don't know what 
makes her think she knows that, 

1264
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,400
but I don't think it's a wild 
guess to make, right? 

1265
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:55,320
Maybe she has an actual 
prophetic ability that she's 

1266
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:58,800
seen of it. 
But also it's just a safe guess.

1267
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:01,160
Like he's someone putting 
himself in harm's way. 

1268
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:05,120
Wars on the way armies are 
meeting at this strategic 

1269
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:09,040
location, you know, like it's a.
When she said in this place, she

1270
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:10,520
meant Westeros. 
You will die. 

1271
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:12,640
In this. 
Country in this world. 

1272
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:15,520
Big enough to. 
You are not a more. 

1273
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:20,400
Lands might have been, you know.
Yeah, so. 

1274
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,000
So that is Alice Rivers on 
screen there. 

1275
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:23,440
Yeah. 
Sean, you, you don't know hardly

1276
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:24,760
anything about her. 
We'll save. 

1277
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:29,160
We'll talk about her more later 
because it would be hard to keep

1278
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:30,880
it unspoilery without saying 
more about her. 

1279
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:34,800
But a few things we can say is 
that she's played by GAIL 

1280
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:38,880
Rankin, veteran actress that's 
been in shows like Glow Rivers 

1281
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:42,280
means she's a bastard, right? 
A Bachelor of the Riverlands may

1282
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:45,080
be of how strong and in the book
that suggests, but even the book

1283
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:46,360
isn't sure. 
So it's another one of the 

1284
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:49,560
things where the sources aren't 
clear on her on her heritage or 

1285
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:51,680
how old she is. 
So it's kind of neat. 

1286
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:55,240
There's a little bit of mystery 
around her and very curious to 

1287
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:57,040
see how the show handles the 
rest of her. 

1288
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:58,920
Any any other comments before we
move on? 

1289
01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:02,760
Quick, I don't know, joke. 
I would have put more in her 

1290
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,720
prophecy if rather than saying 
you will die in this place, she 

1291
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,200
said you will die this season. 
That would have meant more to 

1292
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:12,120
me. 
Yeah, I think if you are looking

1293
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:15,840
for more talk on Alice Rivers, 
you're going to want to tune in,

1294
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,440
especially on our Saturday 
stream or preview stream when we

1295
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:20,600
can talk spoilers, because I 
just think it's going to be so 

1296
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:25,120
hard for us to speculate much 
without dealing with that. 

1297
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:27,360
But no, she is very much 
unknown. 

1298
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:30,200
Like there's a lot of directions
they go with her. 

1299
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:36,120
So even as book readers, we're a
little a little unclear on on 

1300
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,920
some details. 
Like she could be the bastard 

1301
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:42,000
half sister, for example, of 
Laurice and Harwin, but she 

1302
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:43,200
might not be. 
She might not be. 

1303
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,160
We don't know for sure right 
now. 

1304
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:48,000
And so that's pretty cool. 
It's possible the show will 

1305
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,160
decide to tell us that like they
sometimes the show weighs in on 

1306
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:52,960
things like that, but this is 
one of those ones. 

1307
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:57,960
What I would not assume that in 
other spots they kind of need 

1308
01:02:57,960 --> 01:02:59,320
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1309
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:04,560
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01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:05,720
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scripted content. 

1330
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:07,560
So check that out. 
Once again, it's 

1331
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:10,480
patreon.com/history Westeros or 
just go to our website, 

1332
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:14,040
historywesteros.com. 
Couple of questions from y'all. 

1333
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:17,160
Hannibal the Dragon says why 
didn't she send any of her 

1334
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:19,480
children to Winterfell or hide 
out at the Wall? 

1335
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:21,880
If, you know, Dragons can't go 
beyond the Wall, that's a safe 

1336
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:23,360
place. 
Yeah. 

1337
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:26,560
I mean, look, right here does 
the same thing that makes the 

1338
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:28,560
same decision. 
Like that's an ally up the 

1339
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:29,760
North. 
She could have leveraged that 

1340
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:31,520
she doesn't leverage. 
And maybe that would have been 

1341
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,320
safer to hide them up there. 
Maybe she just doesn't know. 

1342
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:37,560
She wants to go somewhere. 
That's that she's experienced. 

1343
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:40,080
I mean, she didn't go to Pentos,
but she has, yeah. 

1344
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:42,040
I don't know it's it would have 
been a good choice, but I think 

1345
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:45,120
she wanted to keep them maybe 
more in contact or more raised 

1346
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,160
in a place that's got more 
similar culture. 

1347
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,120
But it would have would have 
been a fine option. 

1348
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:52,200
But we're not told why we're 
not, we're not given some sort 

1349
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:55,200
of like decision process where 
she pros and cons all the 

1350
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:57,400
different locations that they 
that they could go. 

1351
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,800
I can imagine one reason might 
be it's just farther away. 

1352
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:04,000
It would take longer to get 
there, longer to retrieve them, 

1353
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:08,440
longer to get messages about 
them and maybe just we have 

1354
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:12,000
heard a couple hints of winter 
coming so might not be safe for 

1355
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,360
a baby in that cold weather. 
Again, maybe she still should 

1356
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,520
have, but there's a little I do 
see reason why she did it. 

1357
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:18,640
You know, yeah, that would be my
thought. 

1358
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,520
Well, that would be my thought 
is that she doesn't want to send

1359
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:23,760
them up north and it's harder to
get up there. 

1360
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:25,720
It would take longer. 
A lot of details with that. 

1361
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:30,240
But also, I think if if she had 
a conversation with people about

1362
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,400
this, where she talked about 
like, we'll hear our options, 

1363
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,760
what should we do? 
And that had been like a topic 

1364
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:38,040
between her and some folks. 
Maybe Jace would have suggested 

1365
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:39,240
it and maybe it would have 
happened. 

1366
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:41,440
But I don't think she even, I 
don't think it was ever a 

1367
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:44,200
conversation where she was like,
well, let's what should I do? 

1368
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:46,760
She just decided to do this. 
And I don't know. 

1369
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:51,080
Yeah, I can even imagine her not
having a conversation similar to

1370
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,760
going trying to sneak in to 
speak to Allison. 

1371
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,760
She might not want that many 
people to have the knowledge of 

1372
01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:59,680
where she sent her kids in the 
dragon eggs. 

1373
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:01,000
You might want to keep that 
under wraps. 

1374
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,400
But it seems like Jace is a safe
person to tell, right? 

1375
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:08,000
Yeah. 
And once they do, it was a 

1376
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:10,600
pretty public exodus that they 
made. 

1377
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:13,360
There's, there were like 20 
people there that know about it.

1378
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:15,800
So I don't know, can't really 
expect to keep that much of A 

1379
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,520
secret, adding to my concern for
their safety. 

1380
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:22,960
Another good aspect there is 
that Curtis Franks points out 

1381
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:26,920
that she has family in the veil.
She's related to the errands, 

1382
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,640
you know, her mother, Emma. 
Erin was an Erin, so there's a 

1383
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:33,880
slight familial connection why 
she might feel that hurricane is

1384
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:37,040
safest with, you know, some 
relatives. 

1385
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:40,680
Good point, Buttercup Bravo says
the girls not being out to see 

1386
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:43,520
are partially on him here, him 
being Corley's. 

1387
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:46,040
They never show Laina or Laina 
are actually going out either. 

1388
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:48,640
So it's strange. 
Well, Laina and Lainor, well, 

1389
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,200
Lainor does sail that is he, he,
we don't see him doing it, but 

1390
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:53,280
he's it's, it's, it's spoken of.
He definitely sails. 

1391
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:58,000
Lena just loved to fly. 
So she just maybe wasn't much of

1392
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,200
A sailor because she had Veigar.
I mean, I don't know, I 

1393
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:02,520
wouldn't, I probably wouldn't 
sail a whole lot either if I had

1394
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:07,040
a dragon. 
And that's kind of the same with

1395
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:11,120
Joffrey and Luke, but not the 
same with Reyna, who explicitly 

1396
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:15,120
doesn't have a dragon. 
So yeah, they could be now in a 

1397
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:18,000
in a time of peace. 
It's a bigger problem now 

1398
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:19,880
they've they've been so close to
the edge of war here for a 

1399
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:21,720
while. 
Like, when do they have time for

1400
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:24,720
just sailing, just to learn how 
to sail? 

1401
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:26,960
Corleiss has been rather busy 
and he's been recovering from 

1402
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,520
his like, horrible injury and 
his ship is broken. 

1403
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:31,120
He doesn't have time for that. 
He did. 

1404
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:33,120
He did it before, but he doesn't
anymore. 

1405
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:35,680
He also could appoint someone to
do it. 

1406
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:38,960
Yeah true, and they being at war
might be all the more reason to 

1407
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:42,560
get ready and learn and train. 
Like Eamon has a dragon. 

1408
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:45,240
But he studied history and 
philosophy and the sword like, 

1409
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:47,880
and it wasn't Visaras teaching 
him right. 

1410
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:52,040
Like you can have other people 
teaching the kids all these 

1411
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:53,600
things that they need to learn 
about. 

1412
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,760
If you, you know, it's it, I 
feel like it is, it's it's it's 

1413
01:07:56,760 --> 01:08:00,400
irresponsible and or sexist of, 
of Coralies to have not prepared

1414
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:03,560
these girls or kids or whatever 
for their roles, you know. 

1415
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:07,000
I mean, I would say it would 
it's sexist with you, except 

1416
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,920
that he didn't seem to do it to 
the Valerian boys either. 

1417
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,080
It's just irresponsible. 
It's. 

1418
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:15,520
Just irresponsible, not not 
purely sexist. 

1419
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:18,680
Well, and if we want to argue in
his case here, he's like, well, 

1420
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:20,439
am I going to make someone a 
sailor who doesn't want to be? 

1421
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:22,279
Like, if they're not interested 
in sailing, I can't make them 

1422
01:08:22,279 --> 01:08:23,359
be. 
It's not something you just you 

1423
01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:24,840
force them into it. 
That's not going to make them a 

1424
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:26,040
sailor. 
You can put them on a boat, 

1425
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:28,399
they're not going to be. 
Well, we could have had a scene 

1426
01:08:28,399 --> 01:08:31,319
in this scene, Corley could have
said I tried and they didn't 

1427
01:08:31,319 --> 01:08:33,240
take to it. 
They got sick every time. 

1428
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:35,640
Well, Josh, yeah, that's there. 
Or maybe with Reyna, not with 

1429
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:37,359
Joffrey though, 'cause he's like
six years old. 

1430
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:40,200
And there are plenty of examples
of fathers pushing their kids 

1431
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:42,359
into things they don't want to 
do, and they become good at it. 

1432
01:08:42,359 --> 01:08:44,000
Anyway, right. 
But he's not their father. 

1433
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:47,240
They're they're not his kids. 
Yeah, I agree with you. 

1434
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:49,479
Otherwise, like if it was his 
own kids, he would definitely be

1435
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:51,000
putting them out to sea 'cause 
they're Valerians. 

1436
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,880
Like, yeah, you got to go. 
I like, as I said, Lenor was a 

1437
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:55,399
sailor, even though he was a 
dragon rider. 

1438
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:58,319
He might have forced it on Lena 
if it weren't for the fact that 

1439
01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:01,399
he had a son already that was 
going to inherit anyway. 

1440
01:09:01,399 --> 01:09:03,880
Let's move on. 
Bill Sotherby says why is it not

1441
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:05,120
normal? 
All the Queens who marry the 

1442
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:06,920
kings are called your Grace. 
Why is it different? 

1443
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:10,160
I don't know it it should they 
you're you're right. 

1444
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:12,520
You make a good point. 
Like Cersei was called your 

1445
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,160
grace. 
She's the queen by marriage, not

1446
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:17,680
the, you know, not the the queen
sitting on the throne. 

1447
01:09:18,399 --> 01:09:22,640
So it's just not customary. 
It's it's maybe it isn't. 

1448
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:27,760
Maybe it is sexist or maybe it's
or in not sexist, but implied 

1449
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:33,720
misogyny within the the culture 
because, well, he's never seen a

1450
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:36,520
king consort before when there 
hasn't been one. 

1451
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,920
There's literally not been one 
in his lifetime or the entire 

1452
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,960
history of the Iron Throne. 
So he just, he just got it 

1453
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,640
wrong, I think. 
So maybe I was wrong. 

1454
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:46,840
I should have said it was not 
normal. 

1455
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:49,479
Yeah, I guess it probably is 
normal or there is no normal. 

1456
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:52,080
I guess it's even more accurate.
There is no normal for that. 

1457
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:55,160
So he's like, yeah, you should 
be calling me your Grace. 

1458
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:57,160
And he might be right. 
He's probably is right based on 

1459
01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:59,320
that, you know, for keeping it 
even. 

1460
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:02,280
Like, yeah, if the woman is your
grace, then why isn't, you know,

1461
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:05,080
they should both be your grace 
when they're the the secondary, 

1462
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:07,080
the lower ranked half of the 
couple, whether they're king or 

1463
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:08,560
queen. 
Anyway, Yeah. 

1464
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,880
Good call, Bill Sotherby. 
Maybe there's at least as much 

1465
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:14,920
an implication that Aegon or 
Allison are not Your Grace. 

1466
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:18,760
It's me, Me and Renera, OK. 
Yeah, 'cause in a, in a society 

1467
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:22,640
where there's no Queens, no 
ruling Queens, your grace to a 

1468
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:25,640
woman would never imply they're 
in charge, but it would to the 

1469
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:26,680
man. 
If you're saying it to the man, 

1470
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:27,520
you're saying, oh, you're in 
charge. 

1471
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,880
No, my wife is in charge, but 
I'm just, I don't know if that's

1472
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:33,320
it. 
It's just one possibility. 

1473
01:10:33,440 --> 01:10:37,880
Before we move on, Curtis Frank 
says in the UK the consort to a 

1474
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:41,720
queen, Regnan is a Prince 
because kings always outrank 

1475
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:44,720
Queens. 
Oh, interesting. 

1476
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:50,720
OK, All right, well, as we can, 
as we know, real world systems 

1477
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,120
are not identical to each other.
King and Queen don't mean the 

1478
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:56,760
same thing in every country or 
Prince or Princess or yeah, 

1479
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:58,880
inheritance laws. 
And the real world can be just 

1480
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:01,400
as sexist as Martin's fantasy 
world, so. 

1481
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:04,360
In fact, it's based on that. 
Yeah, you're right. 

1482
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:06,360
It's based on real the real 
world version. 

1483
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,000
You know, one quick thing before
we move on you. 

1484
01:11:10,480 --> 01:11:12,520
You gave a shout out to my Star 
Trek shirt a minute ago. 

1485
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:15,240
What about your shirt disease? 
Oh yeah, I've got a cool button 

1486
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:16,840
down Blackwood shirt. 
Shay. 

1487
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:18,320
I got this for me. 
It's pretty. 

1488
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:21,400
Nice for you, really. 
You got it for me. 

1489
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:24,440
Well, I designed it for you and 
printed it for you. 

1490
01:11:24,480 --> 01:11:26,480
I didn't like, you know, I made 
it for. 

1491
01:11:26,480 --> 01:11:30,400
You yes, you did make it for me.
Yes, yes, she did design it. 

1492
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:33,920
I also have she also made me a 
Golden Company one and a 

1493
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:35,920
Lannister 1. 
So I got I got the skulls and I 

1494
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:37,880
got the lions. 
And you have a greens and blacks

1495
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:39,960
one. 
Oh yeah, Targaryen greens and 

1496
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:40,960
blacks. 
That's right, I forgot about 

1497
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:42,960
that one. 
I should wear it again soon, 

1498
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:45,960
Blue Fleur says. 
Alice wasn't eating at the 

1499
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:47,400
table, was she? 
No, she was not. 

1500
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:51,800
She walked in after they had 
already stood up from the table 

1501
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:54,200
and knelt and then she came in 
and just stood there and gave 

1502
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:57,600
gave Damon a stare. 
And then she wasn't there when 

1503
01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:59,720
they're eating after she's gone.
Yeah, she left. 

1504
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:04,280
Yeah, interesting and mysterious
like her. 

1505
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:09,920
Let's go to King's Landing. 
We start in King's Landing much 

1506
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:12,600
earlier in the episode, but with
Kristen Cole looking down. 

1507
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:14,520
And it was a trailer shot and it
was like what, what, what are we

1508
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:16,160
looking down at? 
Studying a map or what? 

1509
01:12:16,480 --> 01:12:19,280
They cut away from Eric and 
Arc's grave just as we moved to 

1510
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:20,960
this. 
So it makes it look like he's 

1511
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:24,400
looking into their grave. 
And that in this sense gives him

1512
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:26,960
responsibility for the ACT as 
well, which kind of neat a 

1513
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:28,600
little camera trick there 
perhaps. 

1514
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:30,680
But in the moment, he's not 
thinking about Eric Arc. 

1515
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:33,120
Probably in reality, he's just 
who knows? 

1516
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:35,960
He's got a lot of weight on his 
shoulders now. 

1517
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:38,400
I don't feel bad for him. 
But it is like from a human 

1518
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:41,960
perspective, anybody, even a guy
like Kristen is going to be 

1519
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:45,480
like, wow, I got a lot going on.
I'm I'm about to go right out to

1520
01:12:45,480 --> 01:12:47,480
war. 
You know, I've got this dark 

1521
01:12:47,480 --> 01:12:49,400
secret. 
You know I'm. 

1522
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:53,080
Whoa, lots going on here. 
I got the impression he was 

1523
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:54,840
thinking about Eric and Eric a 
bit. 

1524
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:57,600
He was still haunted by like 
that. 

1525
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:00,080
That that's what I. 
Got totally valid, yeah. 

1526
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:04,320
I think he was thinking at least
partly about that, but I think 

1527
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:07,320
you think about a lot of things.
I think he's I think he's 

1528
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:12,520
overwhelmed, you know, I think 
he's maybe thinking of mistakes 

1529
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:15,360
and regrets that he has, but 
also I think he's got to pull 

1530
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:19,240
himself together to go be the 
freaking hand of the King. 

1531
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:21,560
And he I think he kind of knows 
he's not ready for the, he 

1532
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:24,160
didn't ask that. 
He wasn't like manipulative like

1533
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:26,400
Loris, right? 
He wasn't angling to be Hand of 

1534
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,080
the King. 
And now suddenly he is. 

1535
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:31,600
And I think he's a little 
overwhelmed with it. 

1536
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:34,600
I think he feels obliged to try 
to do a good job. 

1537
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:37,960
But I think he's, yeah, he, I 
think he's overwhelmed with the 

1538
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:41,360
mistakes that he's made and, and
the decisions that are out in 

1539
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:43,560
front of him. 
You know, you're so right, Sean,

1540
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:46,280
'cause I, I got that impression 
too, that he was nervous, 

1541
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:50,320
anxious about this big, big 
first hand of the king meeting. 

1542
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:54,480
And especially because he's, you
know, common, he's lower born. 

1543
01:13:54,480 --> 01:13:57,720
He's not from a super high 
nobility house that the Coles 

1544
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:00,640
and he's Dornish. 
And we've talked a bit about it.

1545
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:02,400
I don't know if we've talked 
about it on stream, but I we 

1546
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:06,280
were even wondering like how 
articulate is he? 

1547
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:10,600
Like, can he read and write? 
Can he read and write Well? 

1548
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:13,440
I don't know. 
But you know, he's generally not

1549
01:14:13,440 --> 01:14:15,800
the most learned guy. 
So for him in a meeting, I feel 

1550
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:19,280
like he would be really nervous.
And I kind of weirdly, despite 

1551
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:22,080
last episode of doing so much to
make us hate him even more. 

1552
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:26,560
I kind of felt for Cole more in 
this episode than I had in a 

1553
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:30,000
long time because I think, you 
know, it's it's a really 

1554
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:36,280
relatable type of type beat for 
someone to to be in a position 

1555
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:41,400
of high power who is surrounded 
by all this nobility, who just 

1556
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:43,680
is born to it and he's not born 
to it. 

1557
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:47,160
And I I felt for him and not 
being born to it like them. 

1558
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:49,640
I'm glad you said all that 
because it was thoughts that 

1559
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:52,560
were bubbling to me too, because
later we even see him face a 

1560
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:54,320
little prejudice when Gwen 
comes. 

1561
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:57,880
Like, I'm so excited right off 
with a dornishment. 

1562
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:03,560
He was being locked a little. 
And and it's also, I think that 

1563
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:08,160
they are doing something with 
Damon and Cole that I think this

1564
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:10,760
is the most sympathetic either 
of them have been in a while, 

1565
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:13,200
right? 
Both of them didn't make 

1566
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:16,560
particular mistakes or weren't 
particular jerks this episode 

1567
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:21,760
and were sort of faced with 
personal toughnesses. 

1568
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:24,800
I don't know how to say it 
exactly, but yeah, yeah, it 

1569
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:27,200
might not be enough for both of 
them to make up for the awful 

1570
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:29,560
things they've done in the past,
but I think the show is making 

1571
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:32,520
an attempt to keep them from 
being straight villains to us 

1572
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:34,200
consistently, you know? 
Absolutely. 

1573
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:35,800
Yeah. 
And to build on what a Shay I 

1574
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:39,360
was saying and and as well as 
you, Sean, twice in this episode

1575
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:42,160
he's forced to deal with 
upstarts who are less competent 

1576
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:46,160
than him, lower rank than him, 
but higher in the social order. 

1577
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:49,440
So they and they don't allow him
to forget that like the first is

1578
01:15:49,440 --> 01:15:51,880
Aegon's new Kingsguard. 
He didn't even know they were 

1579
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:55,360
appointed until he meets them. 
And one of them's, like, sitting

1580
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:59,040
on the stairs and gets up real 
slowly, like, OK, I'll stand up 

1581
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:02,240
now, you know? 
And then Leon Estremont, when he

1582
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:05,000
walks into the room, gives him 
this just, like, super 

1583
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:06,760
disrespectful look like, you 
know. 

1584
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:09,320
All right, Cole. 
Yeah. 

1585
01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:10,640
Look at this. 
Look like you're. 

1586
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:13,400
This is what you how you look at
your Lord Commander your first 

1587
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:17,000
day of the job? 
Like this guy is he's like, no, 

1588
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:18,520
the King's my friend. 
I don't have to worry about a 

1589
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:19,720
thing. 
Yeah. 

1590
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:23,200
So they are totally lording over
their birth over him, even 

1591
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:26,360
though he's had a quote, 
according to Gwane Hightower, a 

1592
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:28,160
giddying ascent. 
The gods have bestowed. 

1593
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:31,840
The gods have bestowed on him. 
Notice he says you didn't work 

1594
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:34,840
for that. 
The gods bestowed it on you. 

1595
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:36,200
You didn't earn that. 
Yeah. 

1596
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:38,240
Yeah. 
There's so many little insults 

1597
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:39,760
and microaggressions against 
him. 

1598
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:41,760
Yeah. 
I didn't even think of it till 

1599
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:44,440
just now, but in the context of 
what we're saying, I bet behind 

1600
01:16:44,440 --> 01:16:48,120
the scenes Cole has probably 
spent the last day or a couple 

1601
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:50,800
days or whatever preparing to be
him. 

1602
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:54,320
He's probably like thinking 
about the battle plans, learning

1603
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:57,080
the names of the different 
Lords, probably looking at a 

1604
01:16:57,080 --> 01:16:58,360
map. 
He suddenly has all these new 

1605
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:01,800
responsibilities and it's 
probably partly why these other 

1606
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:04,280
night Kings guard could be 
selected without him being 

1607
01:17:04,440 --> 01:17:06,600
aware. 
He's probably up in the tower 

1608
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:09,080
that he probably is literally 
living in new quarters, has a 

1609
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:12,680
new schedule, has new 
responsibilities, and doesn't 

1610
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:14,760
want to make a full himself. 
So he's trying to learn, trying 

1611
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:18,120
to do what he's supposed to do, 
and in the meantime, Aegon is 

1612
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:21,720
doing stuff behind his back and 
he's got to like, put all that 

1613
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:23,320
down too while he goes into 
this. 

1614
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:24,880
This meeting is Hand of the 
Cane. 

1615
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:27,400
So in case it wasn't clear, 
those are his three drinking 

1616
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:30,760
buddies, and so I've dubbed them
the Drinkings Guard. 

1617
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:33,440
Yes, and henceforth they are the
Drinkings Guard. 

1618
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:36,520
Someone in the chats called them
the A goons. 

1619
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:42,400
That's good, too. 
These guys deserve these guys 

1620
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:44,680
deserve several nicknames. 
I think so, yeah. 

1621
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:49,280
Of the beer gardens, keep them. 
Coming y'all? 

1622
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:52,680
Yeah, so there's an argument in 
the council about how to use the

1623
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:56,080
armies, where to strike first, 
and it just devolves. 

1624
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:58,920
And Allison has this great line.
This council must rediscover. 

1625
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:01,840
Its discipline is if it's it's 
per its previous discipline is 

1626
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:03,240
if it's if it's to be of any 
use. 

1627
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:07,120
I love that, but it's not as 
good as her line to Cole when 

1628
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:11,000
he's like God's favor, the bold.
And she says they did not favor 

1629
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:12,960
Sir Eric. 
Yeah. 

1630
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:17,200
Wow, that was great. 
And you still are pretty clear 

1631
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:19,080
in that moment. 
But a couple of other threads to

1632
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:21,920
this episode, it seems like the 
two of them are falling apart. 

1633
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:23,520
A little bit, Yeah, a little 
bit. 

1634
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:27,520
How much of it is maybe they've 
become emotionally torn up over,

1635
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:31,600
you know, the, the kid being 
killed or him or they neglecting

1636
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:33,000
their duty, maybe leading to 
that. 

1637
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:35,680
But probably also Ellison 
frustrated that he's kind of 

1638
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:37,920
taking her dad's job. 
He took her job. 

1639
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:39,520
He took her job. 
Yeah. 

1640
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:43,360
That, that that's probably going
to affect them emotionally, 

1641
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:45,320
romantically, whatever else, you
know? 

1642
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:46,720
Yeah. 
Well, and they're going to not 

1643
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:49,400
be as together as much and and 
that might expose some of the 

1644
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:52,720
fact that they are only together
in the 1st place because they 

1645
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:55,000
neither of them really has any 
other options and they're around

1646
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:56,600
each other so much. 
We talked about how that's just,

1647
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:59,080
they have, they have a lot of 
negative things in common, 

1648
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:03,520
loneliness and chastity and 
forced chastity and social stuff

1649
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:05,360
that's making them act this way.
Yeah, so. 

1650
01:19:05,480 --> 01:19:08,680
And they're both hot, you know. 
Before, if he was just, like, 

1651
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:11,440
standing outside her door all 
the time, it was easy for them 

1652
01:19:11,440 --> 01:19:14,560
to succumb to temptation. 
But now, if he's in the Tower of

1653
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:17,440
the Hand, he can't just like, 
right quick run over to 

1654
01:19:17,440 --> 01:19:19,520
Allison's room and run back. 
You know what you know? 

1655
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:21,240
Yeah. 
It's a lot. 

1656
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:24,120
Lots of new dynamics are going 
on in their lives that are 

1657
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:26,320
playing out in this council 
meeting. 

1658
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:28,560
Yeah. 
So the argument happens. 

1659
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:33,360
There's Iron Rod and and Sirt 
Island and or while kind of go 

1660
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:35,360
at it a bit. 
Like I said, Iron rod has a 

1661
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:38,080
couple of great lines. 
He's he's snarky as usual, as we

1662
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:39,880
can expect that from him. 
He's called iron rod. 

1663
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:42,560
But really you should be like 
iron snark or snark rod. 

1664
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:44,920
He's got so many lines like 
that. 

1665
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:46,800
What's that Iron tongue? 
Iron tongue. 

1666
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:49,600
There we go. 
He he says he brings up the 

1667
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:52,720
infirmity of Lord Grover Tully 
says it very snidely. 

1668
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:55,120
He also points out the 
Blackwoods and Brackens will 

1669
01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:56,600
fight over anything, which he's 
right. 

1670
01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:58,440
He's right about kind of both 
those things. 

1671
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:02,240
He also says, yeah, we replace 
like I, I replaced 3 

1672
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:04,520
Kingsguards. 
I got new 3 Kingsguards replace 

1673
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:08,320
the ones we lost and and Iron 
Rod goes one needlessly we might

1674
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:11,120
say yeah. 
We'll dig it, Cole. 

1675
01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:13,200
Yeah. 
He's such a snark. 

1676
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:14,880
I love it. 
There's House Stark, but he's 

1677
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:16,560
House snark. 
Actually, he's House. 

1678
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:20,320
He's House Wild, but I'll call 
him House snark anyway. 

1679
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:23,920
So one of the arguments he says 
he's like they're it's like this

1680
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:25,560
is Brackins and black ones are 
fighting each other. 

1681
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:28,360
We can't, we can't call this 
anything other than that. 

1682
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:31,440
He's and Aegon slams the dagger 
into the table and is like, 

1683
01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:34,000
they're going to call us like I,
you know, you call it what you 

1684
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:35,240
want. 
I call war. 

1685
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:38,080
And so will Dragonstone. 
He's pretty much right. 

1686
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:41,080
Rainier is still holding back, 
but most of the people in 

1687
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:44,240
Dragonstone are saying that. 
So he's, he's mostly right. 

1688
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:46,840
He's impatient. 
We see that come out every once.

1689
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:48,960
He's not as impatient as he was 
because things are kind of 

1690
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:50,880
happening. 
He's gotten to make some moves. 

1691
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:53,760
He's named his Kingsguard. 
He's he expects his plan to go 

1692
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:54,920
out. 
He's already expecting to fly 

1693
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:58,280
out to battle too at this point.
And that's when they start to 

1694
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:01,200
push back. 
Cole repeats the plan he had 

1695
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:04,840
with Aymond and secret that 
they're going to gather a small 

1696
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:08,120
group, take on some crown lands,
houses, build their army won by,

1697
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:10,000
you know, house by house. 
And then eventually they have a 

1698
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:12,600
big enough one that they can 
strike W for Harrenhal, but they

1699
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:13,880
don't know Damon is at 
Harrenhal. 

1700
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:16,360
That's an important factor. 
They just have agreed that it's 

1701
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:20,360
the most important place to go. 
But there's a change in the in 

1702
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:23,640
the planning here. 
When Cole says Veigar and Eamon 

1703
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:26,520
will stay here and Amon is 
twirling a coin, which is 

1704
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:29,640
probably the same coin he found 
under the table after the 

1705
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:31,360
assassination attempt, He stops 
twirling. 

1706
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:34,040
Like, I wasn't expecting that, 
like I thought we were. 

1707
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:36,800
I thought I was going with you. 
And he's annoyed at that. 

1708
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:40,400
But he mostly controls himself. 
He doesn't get mad like his 

1709
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:43,160
brother. 
He just the only sign is the 

1710
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:45,280
coin thing that he stops 
flipping it. 

1711
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:49,560
And then it kind of the the role
reversal happens where Aegon is 

1712
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:53,120
argued or given the order that 
his brother's going to stay and 

1713
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:57,880
then Eamon argues why Aegon 
should stay so that for the 

1714
01:21:57,880 --> 01:21:59,080
same, it's like, oh, you're 
brave. 

1715
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:01,080
You know it's brave of you, but 
we got to protect you. 

1716
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:02,920
And Aegon doesn't take that 
well. 

1717
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:04,880
He takes it the wrong. 
He takes it as a stab at his 

1718
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:08,960
courage or his capability in 
war, rather than just the smart 

1719
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:11,480
thing to do with the king. 
You know, he doesn't see it that

1720
01:22:11,480 --> 01:22:12,640
way. 
He's like, oh, egg on. the 

1721
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:15,480
Conqueror went out. 
Like, you know, all these other 

1722
01:22:15,480 --> 01:22:16,960
guys went out. 
Damon goes out. 

1723
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:18,560
Like, why shouldn't I go out, 
you know? 

1724
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:23,120
He doesn't take it well, but he,
well, sort of, he does take it 

1725
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:26,360
because everyone else, when he 
said that, everyone at the table

1726
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:27,840
was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, 
whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 

1727
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:31,760
But he's going to do it anyway. 
But when when Amon speaks up, 

1728
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:37,520
Aiken's like fine, I think he 
decides he's he's waffling 

1729
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:39,080
still. 
It seems like he decided to go 

1730
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:42,000
anyway, but then Larris 
convinces him not to go anyway. 

1731
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:44,480
But I do think that it was 
interesting. 

1732
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:49,400
The control that Allison or Otto
were hoping to have over him, 

1733
01:22:49,440 --> 01:22:52,880
Aymond has over him. 
And Aymond was not only 

1734
01:22:53,480 --> 01:22:57,080
disciplined enough to not 
himself want to go right out and

1735
01:22:57,080 --> 01:23:01,000
attack, but to also use the 
control he has over his brother 

1736
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:03,200
to keep him from doing it. 
Is that real? 

1737
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:04,680
Did you guys both have that 
take? 

1738
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:07,760
I saw I had such a completely 
different take on that Aymond 

1739
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:11,880
interaction with Aegon. 
My take on it was that Aymond 

1740
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:16,680
was specifically, he was trying 
to go to Aegon into the field. 

1741
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:19,920
He wanted him to go. 
He he thought it would work and 

1742
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:22,520
it was going to work until 
Laurie's did go in and undercut 

1743
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:25,840
him. 
That's I, I to me, Aegon Aymond 

1744
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:28,000
was like OK, well, will you go 
then? 

1745
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:30,280
You go. 
You mean so it was kind of like 

1746
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:35,240
a Cersei standing up and 
demanding that Robert not fight 

1747
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:37,840
in the tournament and just to 
make sure that he would. 

1748
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:40,080
Yes, it was exactly that. 
That's how I took that. 

1749
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:41,560
I think you're right and I just 
missed that. 

1750
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:42,960
I think you're right and I just 
missed that. 

1751
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:45,840
But maybe, maybe the next 
episode will will fill us in on 

1752
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:46,400
that. 
I don't know. 

1753
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:48,960
You could be wrong, but I think 
that's a very, very good. 

1754
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:51,320
I think he stopped. 
That's why I think he stopped 

1755
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:53,400
playing with Coin. 
He was like, I got to stop. 

1756
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:55,400
I got to try to manipulate my 
brother right now. 

1757
01:23:55,440 --> 01:23:58,760
He's like, he, he, he kind of 
went into manipulator mode right

1758
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:00,520
there. 
That's very interesting. 

1759
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:02,360
I do like that call. 
I think you might be right. 

1760
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:03,560
I definitely didn't consider 
that. 

1761
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:07,600
But once when I now I'm hearing 
I'm like, yeah, this is that. 

1762
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:11,640
That makes a lot of sense. 
And that is what you would say 

1763
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:13,400
if you wanted him to go to get 
him to go. 

1764
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:16,600
Just like that's what Ned 
realized when Virus put it to 

1765
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:19,080
him that way. 
So Loris when he when Loris 

1766
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:22,960
comes to Aegon and tells him 
that there was a kernel of truth

1767
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:25,360
there, Allison wasn't doing 
that. 

1768
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:28,720
Eamon was, I think like I think 
Eamon did want him out of King's

1769
01:24:28,720 --> 01:24:32,160
Landing and potentially killed 
and Allison didn't. 

1770
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:34,480
So Alaris was doing a half truth
right there. 

1771
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:37,440
And I think Loris was just kind 
of saying that because he knew 

1772
01:24:37,440 --> 01:24:40,120
it would be effective. 
I don't think Loris actually 

1773
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:42,360
knew that Eamon did that. 
It just happened to be what 

1774
01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:45,320
Eamon did. 
Well here's a couple things if 

1775
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:47,440
you are correct, which I 
wouldn't argue too strongly 

1776
01:24:47,440 --> 01:24:51,640
against because I still think 
it's if I can make a pun here, 

1777
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:55,880
two sides of the same coin. 
Ayman is able to control him 

1778
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:57,200
better than anyone else to 
counsel. 

1779
01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:01,240
He might be doing it a different
way than I thought, but the 

1780
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:03,880
point is I think he's better 
controlling Aegon than anyone 

1781
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:05,520
else to counsel. 
But. 

1782
01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:07,760
But there's the argument I would
make against you though. 

1783
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:09,960
It's like, what if Aemon didn't 
say anything? 

1784
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:12,640
It it seemed like Aegon was 
going to go and no one was going

1785
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:14,680
to be able to stop him and. 
Well now, but that's a no, but 

1786
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:16,480
that's how it ended. 
That is how it ended. 

1787
01:25:16,480 --> 01:25:17,880
Sean, remember that's what 
happened. 

1788
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:21,120
Aegon says I'm as fierce as any 
of them and no one says 

1789
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:23,280
anything. 
They all stop the argument and 

1790
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:25,240
Allison's like she has nothing 
to say. 

1791
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:27,040
It's it's like how she stopped 
short of comforting. 

1792
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:28,840
She has nothing to say. 
And then the scene cuts away. 

1793
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:31,680
There is nothing more after that
until we later come back. 

1794
01:25:31,880 --> 01:25:34,400
He's already put his armor on 
and that's when Larry's gets him

1795
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:37,400
to not do it. 
OK, so Noah, so I think that's 

1796
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:41,440
what makes me think of Shay is 
right, because he says I'm going

1797
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:43,000
and then that's the end of the 
argument. 

1798
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:46,840
No one argues further. 
I read it as and again I can see

1799
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:50,320
it that way easily, but I read 
it as he was trying to save 

1800
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:52,600
face. 
Like I won't go but if I went I 

1801
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:54,320
would kick as much buttons. 
But he doesn't say that. 

1802
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:56,400
That's not what he says he says.
He doesn't say I'm not going. 

1803
01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:58,360
He doesn't agree to not go, but 
you might be. 

1804
01:25:58,360 --> 01:25:59,320
I mean, you might be right. 
That's still. 

1805
01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:01,640
But I think for now, I think I'm
going with the Shay's 

1806
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:02,760
interpretation. 
I think she's right. 

1807
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:05,360
Yeah, he he immediately agrees. 
He says he's going to go, and 

1808
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:08,000
then the next time we see him, 
he's getting his armor on as if 

1809
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:09,480
he's going to go. 
No one has stopped him. 

1810
01:26:09,480 --> 01:26:11,520
He's he's on his way. 
Like even his Kingsguard thinks 

1811
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:13,120
he's going. 
Even after he talks to Lars, 

1812
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:15,080
they still think he's going and 
he's like, and he says, OK, 

1813
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:17,200
maybe I'll stay back. 
Anyway, we'll talk about that 

1814
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:18,880
one in a minute. 
Let's move on briefly to talk 

1815
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:21,240
about the the scene with Helena 
in in front of that. 

1816
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:25,200
It's pretty short, but it's it's
meaningful and it gives us a 

1817
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:27,760
little more insight into her 
character, which I think just 

1818
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:29,960
more people are going to be 
like, boy, this really like 

1819
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:34,480
Helena, you know, she has this 
insight into, well, you know, I 

1820
01:26:34,480 --> 01:26:36,200
have better healthcare. 
That's she doesn't say it that 

1821
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:38,200
way, obviously, but that's 
that's the long and short of it.

1822
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:40,280
She has better healthcare. 
She's the best healthcare there 

1823
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:42,880
is in this society and almost no
one else does. 

1824
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:45,440
So of course they're going to 
lose more kids than than someone

1825
01:26:45,440 --> 01:26:47,480
in her position would probably. 
Like. 

1826
01:26:47,480 --> 01:26:50,560
There's always the randomness of
it, which is what Allison tries 

1827
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:52,520
to point out. 
She's like, no, you still have a

1828
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:55,720
as much claim to grief as 
anyone, which is a fairway to 

1829
01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:57,520
put. 
It's like, yeah, like just 

1830
01:26:57,520 --> 01:27:00,920
because they as a group lose 
more children, there's plenty of

1831
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:04,280
mothers that have never lost a 
child and plenty of Royals that 

1832
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:07,920
lose lots of children. 
So it's still on a case by case 

1833
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:12,680
basis. 
And that's part of the dynamic 

1834
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:16,400
here is Helena's trying to like,
think of herself as a group of 

1835
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:19,760
people or a royal. 
Like all Royals, she's not just 

1836
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:21,680
an individual here. 
And she's thinking of the common

1837
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:24,800
folk as as a group, as a 
collective, rather than just 

1838
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:27,840
individuals, which is, you know,
how she has to, she doesn't 

1839
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:29,160
really know a lot of other 
people. 

1840
01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:30,440
And it's just just her 
perspective. 

1841
01:27:30,440 --> 01:27:34,520
And I I think it's really neat. 
However, I don't know, wealthy. 

1842
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:37,600
However fair her state of life 
is compared to other people's 

1843
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:40,640
state of life, it doesn't mean 
she can't be sad that her kid 

1844
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:42,600
died. 
I think that's what Allison is 

1845
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:44,920
saying. 
But I do appreciate that Helena 

1846
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:48,200
has this sort of awareness of 
the state of people's lives 

1847
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:52,320
outside of her own. 
Like, it is sad thought that 

1848
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:54,280
these people out there don't 
have the same support. 

1849
01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:56,720
And they're like, they probably 
have kids that starve to death 

1850
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:58,880
sometimes. 
Like, maybe it's random, my kid 

1851
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:02,440
got murdered or childbirth maybe
doesn't have as much to do with 

1852
01:28:02,440 --> 01:28:06,800
how wealthy or poor you are. 
But there's no chance of my kids

1853
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:09,360
starving to death. 
And the common people do have to

1854
01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:13,520
face that kind of thing. 
So all that still seems a little

1855
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:18,200
wrapped up in her trying to deal
with this grief, right. 

1856
01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:21,320
And, and and maybe there's 
there's definitely worse ways to

1857
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:24,480
do it, but it still seems like 
there's a little suppression 

1858
01:28:24,480 --> 01:28:26,800
going on. 
She's not really accepting it. 

1859
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:29,720
You know, I think that's. 
True, it might be part of just 

1860
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:32,000
she had her mind works a little 
differently, but I think that 

1861
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:32,640
element is there. 
Yeah. 

1862
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:34,320
It's a little like putting 
herself stepping outside of 

1863
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:36,760
herself to to maybe not feel it 
as much. 

1864
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:40,400
I'm not sure, but there there's 
also while she's telling some of

1865
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:42,680
these telling, you know, giving 
her opinions to her mother and 

1866
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:44,240
talking to her, there's there's 
some more of her. 

1867
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:46,400
She got a cricket, a bunch of 
crickets in a cage that she's 

1868
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:50,240
looking at and just being a bug 
girl, like she's a bug woman 

1869
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:53,440
now, no longer a girl, a bug 
mother, right? 

1870
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:58,120
And she abruptly forgives 
Alison, her mother. 

1871
01:28:58,240 --> 01:29:01,400
And Alison's like, what? 
I love how Elena takes it 

1872
01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:02,600
literally. 
He's like, I said, I forgive 

1873
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:06,680
you. 
I was like, no, I didn't not 

1874
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:08,440
hear you. 
I'm just stunned that you said 

1875
01:29:08,440 --> 01:29:10,120
that. 
But she said, I love that she 

1876
01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:11,760
takes it literally. 
OK. 

1877
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:14,160
So is she. 
It seems like the obvious thing 

1878
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:16,440
is she's forgiving her for 
sleeping with Karsten Cole. 

1879
01:29:16,440 --> 01:29:18,480
But is is there more to it? 
Do you think there's multiple 

1880
01:29:18,480 --> 01:29:20,520
apologies going on here or is 
there? 

1881
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:21,400
Yeah. 
What do you think, Sean? 

1882
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:23,040
I'm curious what both of you all
think about this. 

1883
01:29:23,880 --> 01:29:26,800
I suppose there certainly could 
be other things, but I took it 

1884
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:30,240
to just be Chris and Cole. 
I gotta forgive you for I, I 

1885
01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:32,840
don't know, maybe for not being 
as good a mother as you could 

1886
01:29:32,840 --> 01:29:35,280
have been or some more big 
picture thing like that. 

1887
01:29:35,440 --> 01:29:39,000
But all the things that could 
have been, it's got to hit 

1888
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:40,720
Allison pretty hard no matter 
what, right? 

1889
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:43,080
Yeah, yeah. 
Yeah, I agree. 

1890
01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:46,240
It's totally Kristen Cole. 
And yeah, you could, you could 

1891
01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:50,120
probably read an undercurrent 
of, yeah, forgiveness, general 

1892
01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:54,400
forgiveness for poor motherhood 
and getting them into this whole

1893
01:29:55,240 --> 01:29:57,800
just whole debacle in the 1st 
place, as we'll see at the end 

1894
01:29:57,800 --> 01:30:00,000
of the episode with the the 
misunderstanding. 

1895
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,160
You could, you could even, you 
could stretch it to say she 

1896
01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:04,640
forgives her for the situation 
or something. 

1897
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:08,480
But I think it it, it definitely
is meant to refer to Kristen. 

1898
01:30:08,480 --> 01:30:11,880
But I don't think any statement 
like that can be read without 

1899
01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:15,520
the, like general sense of like,
I forgive you in general for 

1900
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:17,120
anything. 
I think like she's not holding 

1901
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:19,480
on to any grudge against her 
mother about anything is the 

1902
01:30:19,480 --> 01:30:21,840
point. 
So it's a nice thing to do to 

1903
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:23,160
absolve her mother of that 
Guild. 

1904
01:30:23,160 --> 01:30:25,040
Or to try to, anyway. 
It won't necessarily. 

1905
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:26,840
It may not work. 
She may still feel some guilt 

1906
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:29,320
over it cause Helena. 
Doesn't feel more guilty than 

1907
01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:29,880
ever. 
Yeah. 

1908
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:32,560
Helena doesn't know all the 
things that Allison has done. 

1909
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:37,000
You know, other things she might
be forgiving her for are like, 

1910
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:40,480
yeah, you, you know, you stole 
the throne and that's why this 

1911
01:30:40,480 --> 01:30:41,840
is all happening. 
Like you were. 

1912
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:43,360
You played a role in that. 
You played a big part of that. 

1913
01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:46,720
Or, Or even simpler, much 
simpler, she's, she was 

1914
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:49,160
complaining a little bit about 
she's that horrid procession 

1915
01:30:49,160 --> 01:30:51,120
where I had to, you know, 
because she's like, she forgives

1916
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:53,680
her for making her go do that, 
you know, 'cause that was, 

1917
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:56,040
that's who argued her into it. 
She said it was the other people

1918
01:30:56,040 --> 01:30:58,000
who were making her do it. 
But Allison's the one who comes 

1919
01:30:58,000 --> 01:30:59,840
and tells her to do it and that 
we're going to go together and 

1920
01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:03,120
it's our duty and. 
It might even be that might be 

1921
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:05,720
another piece of the forgiveness
is your hypocrisy. 

1922
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:08,480
Like you kind of pushed me into 
going on that procession 'cause 

1923
01:31:08,480 --> 01:31:11,400
you said it's my duty, but you 
aren't doing your duty. 

1924
01:31:12,440 --> 01:31:15,360
And so I forgive you for being a
hypocrite, you know. 

1925
01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:18,240
All right, let's return to Aegon
then let's talk about him 

1926
01:31:18,240 --> 01:31:21,560
getting dressed for battle. 
We see him wearing Aegon the 

1927
01:31:21,560 --> 01:31:23,640
first Valyrian steel armor. 
That's not a thing from the 

1928
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:27,040
books that there is no Valyrian 
steel armor from Aegon that that

1929
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:30,000
was ever talked about, but it's 
believable enough that there 

1930
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:33,600
would there there would have 
been Aaron damp hair who sees a 

1931
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:38,080
suit of Valyrian steel armor 
says it would cost Kingdom, but 

1932
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:40,200
that's just his, you know, his 
estimation, whereas Martin 

1933
01:31:40,200 --> 01:31:41,600
Rainier says it would cost a 
castle. 

1934
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:43,560
Well, it depends on the castle, 
I guess you know, maybe it 

1935
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:44,960
depends on the Kingdom right on 
the Kingdom. 

1936
01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:48,160
So neither of them truly know. 
I mean they're neither is like 

1937
01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:51,200
this isn't some official pricing
guide, right. 

1938
01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:52,760
This is like this isn't a 
catalogue. 

1939
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:56,720
They quoted the the Amazon price
for Valyrian steel armor. 

1940
01:31:57,320 --> 01:31:59,360
So look at this armor. 
Shay's putting all these 

1941
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:02,640
different images of it. 
It's so cool. 20 weeks to make. 

1942
01:32:03,400 --> 01:32:07,120
They said it took and it's it's 
way more detailed than you can 

1943
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:08,760
tell on screens. 
That's part of why we're showing

1944
01:32:08,760 --> 01:32:11,080
you these shots here. 
And if you haven't watched it 

1945
01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:13,080
behind the scenes, this is one 
of the things they feature 

1946
01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:14,240
there. 
It's very cool. 

1947
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:21,200
So Larry's comes in and quips 
with Red Ned Waters there saying

1948
01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:23,160
begging before begging a private
word with Aegon. 

1949
01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:29,200
And this is so expert level. 
This is like a chess master 

1950
01:32:29,200 --> 01:32:31,600
playing against a person who's 
never played chess before. 

1951
01:32:32,120 --> 01:32:36,520
He comes in and he's like, hey, 
bro, your garden's full of weeds

1952
01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:39,680
and you've got no gardener. 
He's like, will you be my 

1953
01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:42,600
gardener? 
And he's like, well, yes, 

1954
01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:45,360
actually good idea. 
You know what a what a great 

1955
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:47,360
suggestion. 
You honor me. 

1956
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:54,440
And he he says he knows exactly 
what Aegon's levers are his the 

1957
01:32:54,440 --> 01:33:00,400
things that he's, that, that 
affect him the most, the things 

1958
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:04,400
that, that, that touch his pride
or that he's weakest on. 

1959
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:07,000
And this is his self esteem. 
He's OK. 

1960
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:10,280
So here's something that Tom 
Glencarny himself said that 

1961
01:33:10,280 --> 01:33:12,160
Aegon, that's the actor playing 
Aegon. 

1962
01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:16,120
Of course, he, Aegon is maturing
a little bit, not fully, but 

1963
01:33:16,120 --> 01:33:19,600
just enough to realize that he's
a fraud. 

1964
01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:24,520
He's starting to be aware of his
that he's, he himself is a fraud

1965
01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:27,600
and he's lashing out and be 
insecure about it and trying to 

1966
01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:30,920
make up for that the whole 
flying with the Army, which is 

1967
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:34,280
why there's a decent chance that
he's being egged on in that 

1968
01:33:34,280 --> 01:33:37,360
because it is a pretty 
straightforward issue he has. 

1969
01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:39,760
It's pretty observable. 
No, he's being aimed on. 

1970
01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:45,080
Nice. 
Yeah, he eggs on aim and and the

1971
01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:47,840
Squire aim and aims on him. 
Yeah, anyway. 

1972
01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:52,440
Yeah, I, I had that thought in 
that scene, in fact, that maybe 

1973
01:33:52,440 --> 01:33:54,480
even when we're talking about 
the best performances of the 

1974
01:33:54,480 --> 01:33:57,120
episode, it was it was they're. 
Oh, great. 

1975
01:33:57,120 --> 01:34:00,400
I feel like I, I maybe it's even
unfair that Renero just gets so 

1976
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:01,920
much more screen time. 
So I pick her. 

1977
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:05,080
But but the moment when he was 
looking in the mirror in the 

1978
01:34:05,080 --> 01:34:09,200
wake of this scene, I felt what 
he said later on that he's 

1979
01:34:09,200 --> 01:34:12,600
realizing he's an imposter. 
He's like looking in that I, I 

1980
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:14,600
even wonder what else might have
been going on there. 

1981
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:18,080
Like, I wonder if there was 
there was a little fear, if he 

1982
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:21,080
was a little afraid to go riding
off into battle with the dragon.

1983
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:23,640
And thank goodness I don't have 
to. 

1984
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:26,000
I have an out. 
I need to stay home and make 

1985
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:27,720
sure my mom doesn't usurp my 
power. 

1986
01:34:27,720 --> 01:34:30,160
Like he's like, oh, thank God, I
don't have to go risk my life 

1987
01:34:30,160 --> 01:34:32,360
now. 
I wonder if there's at least a 

1988
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:34,560
piece of that in that that 
moment. 

1989
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:38,760
But certainly he's thinking like
I'm no egg on the Conqueror. 

1990
01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:43,160
This isn't really my armor. 
Maybe as you wondering is a 

1991
01:34:43,160 --> 01:34:44,560
liar. 
He's manipulating me. 

1992
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:46,880
Like he's warning me that people
are manipulating me, but he's 

1993
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:48,600
just manipulating me, isn't he? 
I don't know. 

1994
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:49,840
He doesn't know what to do about
it. 

1995
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:51,360
He doesn't he doesn't know 
what's true. 

1996
01:34:51,360 --> 01:34:52,440
He doesn't know what he can 
trust. 

1997
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:55,040
He doesn't know what he's 
supposed to do. 

1998
01:34:56,400 --> 01:35:00,080
Think about the moment, too. 
I it comes right after this, 

1999
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:01,200
right? 
Does it come right after? 

2000
01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:04,080
It's right in this moment when 
the guards like, hey, let's go 

2001
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:06,480
get drunk. 
And go to this the brothel. 

2002
01:35:06,680 --> 01:35:09,480
And he's like, wait, you guys, 
they're supposed to just want to

2003
01:35:09,560 --> 01:35:12,480
about celibacy now, right? 
I'm like, Oh yeah, right. 

2004
01:35:12,480 --> 01:35:14,960
Give me a break. 
I think Aegon in that moment is 

2005
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:20,680
realizing it. 
All this sort of like pomp and 

2006
01:35:20,680 --> 01:35:25,320
circumstance and lore and legend
of Targaryens and the Iron 

2007
01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:28,400
Throne and everything. 
He's it now. 

2008
01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:31,880
He's it like he grew up. 
Even if he might have been 

2009
01:35:31,880 --> 01:35:36,720
dismissive of it, he knows that 
the Kingsguard aren't supposed 

2010
01:35:36,720 --> 01:35:38,600
to have wives or kids or 
whatever. 

2011
01:35:38,600 --> 01:35:41,600
Like, it's still this 
institution that he's familiar 

2012
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:45,840
with, and now he's kind of in 
control of it, and he sees that 

2013
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:47,640
they're not doing what they're 
supposed to do. 

2014
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:51,680
I bet there's a little bit of 
guilt in him, Like, I screwed up

2015
01:35:51,680 --> 01:35:53,600
the Kingsguard, didn't I? 
What am I even doing? 

2016
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:56,600
I don't know what I'm doing. 
But in the end, he's like, oh, 

2017
01:35:56,600 --> 01:35:58,040
well, screw it, let's go get 
drunk. 

2018
01:35:58,040 --> 01:36:00,640
Like, get some drinks. 
Responsibility. 

2019
01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:03,080
He's matured a little bit, but 
not nearly enough, right? 

2020
01:36:04,200 --> 01:36:06,320
Yeah, that's, that's well said. 
Yeah, he's he 'cause he's when 

2021
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:08,480
he's looking in the mirror, it's
this is a grave look. 

2022
01:36:08,480 --> 01:36:10,600
He's not preening. 
He's not like, oh, look how good

2023
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:12,160
I look. 
No, that is, he feels the 

2024
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:14,560
weight, the literal and 
metaphorical weight of that 

2025
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:16,600
armor. 
He is no egg on the Conqueror. 

2026
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:19,920
I didn't quite read the oh, I 
don't have to go out and fly to 

2027
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:21,880
war part the same as you. 
I I agree with pretty much 

2028
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:23,640
everything else you said, but 
that part, I think he really is 

2029
01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:25,520
eager to go fight. 
I think he really does want to 

2030
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:26,760
prove himself. 
I don't think he's afraid of 

2031
01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:28,960
battle. 
Maybe he should be, but he's I 

2032
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:30,320
don't think he's afraid of 
fighting. 

2033
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:31,840
I think they can. 
Coexist. 

2034
01:36:32,200 --> 01:36:35,560
I think they can coexist. 
I think he can be excited for 

2035
01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:38,480
war but also have a kernel of 
relief to him. 

2036
01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:40,880
I, I, you know. 
'Cause he's so ready to go. 

2037
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:41,960
He's like, yeah, I'm a fly with 
Cole. 

2038
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:44,160
Like it didn't, it didn't come 
off as afraid. 

2039
01:36:44,160 --> 01:36:45,920
But though I think you're right 
there, there could be a little 

2040
01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:47,360
bit, there could be some 
insecurity mixed in there. 

2041
01:36:47,360 --> 01:36:48,960
That's why he's so eager to 
prove himself. 

2042
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:52,080
Renly and all his summer 
soldiers were all eager to go 

2043
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:53,920
too. 
Yeah, However dead they ended 

2044
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:54,960
up. 
You know that's true. 

2045
01:36:55,880 --> 01:36:58,120
So I am very much looking 
forward to seeing Lars in the 

2046
01:36:58,120 --> 01:37:00,640
council room from now on. 
Right. 

2047
01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:03,000
He never tried to warm his way 
in with Viserys because he he 

2048
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:05,240
knew that not a guy he could 
manipulate in the ways that 

2049
01:37:05,240 --> 01:37:08,240
would be important to him. 
And and that and not to mention 

2050
01:37:08,240 --> 01:37:10,520
there was already someone that 
had Viserys on lockdown and 

2051
01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:14,600
that's Otto Hightower and when? 
Otto even had Missouri kind of 

2052
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:16,240
filling out roles. 
Yes, that's true. 

2053
01:37:16,240 --> 01:37:16,960
Yeah, he already. 
Yeah. 

2054
01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:18,840
So he was kind of waiting for 
his chance. 

2055
01:37:18,840 --> 01:37:20,360
Now he has it and he's going 
straight to the top. 

2056
01:37:20,360 --> 01:37:24,760
He's like, I'm not negotiating 
or working my way through 

2057
01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:27,320
Allison anymore or any of the 
other council members. 

2058
01:37:27,320 --> 01:37:31,200
I'm going straight to the man 
and becoming important to him 

2059
01:37:31,200 --> 01:37:35,600
and he will start coming to me. 
And yeah, so it's really 

2060
01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:39,440
expertly done. 
And I agree with you as well. 

2061
01:37:39,440 --> 01:37:42,880
The the the looking at he, he 
looks at his drinking's garden 

2062
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:47,720
is like, this is on me. 
But he's not consistent with it.

2063
01:37:47,720 --> 01:37:50,640
Like like you said, once he gets
a drink in him for several 

2064
01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:53,160
drinks and then he forgets all 
about that as we see he's he's 

2065
01:37:53,160 --> 01:37:56,320
outright wasted in this next 
scene, which doesn't start with 

2066
01:37:56,320 --> 01:37:58,640
him, but we're going to talk 
about the bar scene. 

2067
01:37:59,120 --> 01:38:03,600
I I absolutely love the scene. 
Alf is like norm from cheers 

2068
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:04,640
everywhere. 
He's like comes with like, Nah, 

2069
01:38:04,640 --> 01:38:06,200
Alf. 
Hey, you know, they're all 

2070
01:38:06,200 --> 01:38:09,080
everybody's so happy to see him.
He's a good storyteller. 

2071
01:38:09,080 --> 01:38:10,960
He's the guy at the bar that 
everybody likes. 

2072
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:12,440
You know, he's always getting 
free drinks. 

2073
01:38:12,440 --> 01:38:16,120
He loves the attention and it's 
pretty rare that we get APOV 

2074
01:38:16,120 --> 01:38:16,960
like this. 
We don't have a lot of 

2075
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:22,080
characters like this, you know, 
lowborn, not, not rich. 

2076
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:25,120
You know, they don't have they 
don't have a famous house. 

2077
01:38:25,320 --> 01:38:27,280
Although he does, apparently, 
According to him. 

2078
01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:29,760
And it's just that he's not 
directly connected to him. 

2079
01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:30,200
Yeah. 
Does he? 

2080
01:38:30,200 --> 01:38:32,280
That's that's the one of the 
questions I have for you. 

2081
01:38:32,280 --> 01:38:35,680
But hold on a SEC. 
He tells his heritage story to 

2082
01:38:35,680 --> 01:38:38,400
his friends here, and they're 
doing it for the benefit of this

2083
01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:40,880
Dornish guy who's buying them 
drinks. 

2084
01:38:40,880 --> 01:38:44,200
And there's Samson KO from our 
flag means death. 

2085
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:46,360
And that's cool. 
He was. 

2086
01:38:47,040 --> 01:38:50,440
On. 
Yeah, and he's on the crew with 

2087
01:38:50,440 --> 01:38:52,960
Christian Nairn, AKA Hodor. 
So our our another reason to 

2088
01:38:52,960 --> 01:38:54,000
watch. 
Our flag means death. 

2089
01:38:54,920 --> 01:38:58,520
So he claims to be Bailon the 
Braves bastard. 

2090
01:38:58,520 --> 01:39:01,160
That's the father of Damon and 
Viserys. 

2091
01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:04,880
Let's first examine Bailon the 
Brave and see if it's even 

2092
01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:07,440
possible. 
Bailon's wife, Alyssa, who was a

2093
01:39:07,440 --> 01:39:11,200
Targaryen, it was his sister, 
died in the year 84 and Bailon 

2094
01:39:11,200 --> 01:39:14,080
lived until the year 101 and 
never remarried. 

2095
01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:15,840
It was his death that prompted 
the Great Council. 

2096
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:18,320
Don't forget he remained 
unmarried. 

2097
01:39:18,320 --> 01:39:19,560
So that's a long time of being 
unmarried. 

2098
01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:23,680
So he definitely, he says he 
never was able like no one could

2099
01:39:23,680 --> 01:39:26,280
replace Alyssa and he, you know,
honored her till his death. 

2100
01:39:26,280 --> 01:39:27,880
That doesn't mean he didn't go 
to a brothel. 

2101
01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:30,120
I didn't have needs or get 
lonely, right? 

2102
01:39:30,120 --> 01:39:32,280
Like some people say no, he 
would never do that because he 

2103
01:39:32,280 --> 01:39:34,320
loved Alyssa so much. 
Like, we don't really know this 

2104
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:37,880
guy that much, you know? 
We know him from a history book 

2105
01:39:38,360 --> 01:39:42,600
and even Tywin Lannister, who 
like loved Joanna so much, is no

2106
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:45,440
is is pretty strong. 
Like I mean we know he 

2107
01:39:45,440 --> 01:39:47,840
definitely slept with women, but
he also probably slept with more

2108
01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:50,760
than Shay. 
That's my point. 100% yeah, I 

2109
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:52,080
totally agree. 
So and and of course that 

2110
01:39:52,080 --> 01:39:53,600
doesn't mean this guy was 
anything like Tywin, that the 

2111
01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:58,200
point is, yes, unmarried, long, 
long term unmarried. 

2112
01:39:58,400 --> 01:40:02,320
Are we sure this this guy really
never slept with anyone else 

2113
01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:04,520
again ever? 
Yeah, not very likely anyway. 

2114
01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:07,760
Possible though. 
Anyway, so it certainly fits, 

2115
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:10,720
like you can't dismiss this just
on who his father was. 

2116
01:40:10,720 --> 01:40:12,880
That certainly works. 
And we have that scene in season

2117
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:15,600
one where Viserys mentions how 
he and Damon would go to the 

2118
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:17,680
brothels when they were young. 
So it's like, well, maybe, you 

2119
01:40:17,680 --> 01:40:19,120
know, like their father did that
too. 

2120
01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:22,760
He calls himself a dragon seed, 
which is an existing term that 

2121
01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:25,480
has not been yet said on the 
show, but it's been around a 

2122
01:40:25,480 --> 01:40:28,280
little bit. 
It's a term for not just 

2123
01:40:28,280 --> 01:40:30,880
Targaryen bastards, but the 
descendants of Targaryen 

2124
01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:32,960
bastards. 
Anyone with blood of the dragon.

2125
01:40:33,720 --> 01:40:35,640
In the books, he's all the 
white. 

2126
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:38,400
But it seems that though it 
seems like they've dropped the 

2127
01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:42,640
white part, He's just grey, kind
of like Gandalf the White going 

2128
01:40:42,640 --> 01:40:45,080
from Gandalf the Grey. 
But he argued and they they, 

2129
01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:47,840
they frame this cleverly. 
He says this means nothing since

2130
01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:50,680
Jace has brown hair, right? 
That's a fairpoint, right? 

2131
01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:54,160
Like not all Targaryens do have,
you know, the silver hair. 

2132
01:40:54,160 --> 01:40:56,680
Even some half, half Targaryens 
definitely have other color 

2133
01:40:56,680 --> 01:40:58,800
hair. 
Not that this means he is, he is

2134
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:01,560
who he says he is, just that the
hair colored is not an argument.

2135
01:41:01,560 --> 01:41:04,000
Again, it's not a deal breaker 
for the argument. 

2136
01:41:04,360 --> 01:41:06,720
He calls himself the grandchild 
of Jaharis the conciliator, 

2137
01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:09,080
which would be true if he's 
Bailon's son. 

2138
01:41:09,080 --> 01:41:10,920
And it's yet another name drop 
of Jaharis. 

2139
01:41:10,920 --> 01:41:13,720
It's the second or third time 
that name gets dropped in the 

2140
01:41:13,720 --> 01:41:15,760
episode. 
And he calls Rainier the true 

2141
01:41:15,760 --> 01:41:18,880
queen. 
So he's definitely siding with 

2142
01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:23,640
quote UN quote, his family. 
And what do you think, Sean? 

2143
01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:26,240
Is he But your read, is he 
telling the truth? 

2144
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:28,320
Is he not? 
Like on one hand, if he's not 

2145
01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:29,520
like, sure, people can tell the 
story. 

2146
01:41:29,800 --> 01:41:32,440
If he is, maybe that makes the 
story more interesting. 

2147
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:34,560
Like the meta is an interesting 
consideration here. 

2148
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:35,720
But yeah, tell us what you 
think. 

2149
01:41:36,520 --> 01:41:39,680
I think it's possible that he 
believes he's telling the truth 

2150
01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:42,800
that makes sense now. 
It still could be true or not 

2151
01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:45,320
true, I guess. 
I also guess it is possible that

2152
01:41:45,320 --> 01:41:50,560
he's is that it is true, but I 
think about how he could know 

2153
01:41:50,560 --> 01:41:54,120
that it's true that pretty much 
the only way is like his mom 

2154
01:41:54,120 --> 01:41:58,920
told him and or maybe someone is
not even his mom told him. 

2155
01:41:58,920 --> 01:42:00,480
Yeah, yeah. 
I just think that it doesn't 

2156
01:42:00,480 --> 01:42:02,960
matter that even if it's true, 
it doesn't matter 'cause he just

2157
01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:08,320
can't possibly prove it. 
And I think that it's he seems 

2158
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:11,880
to have a little bit of AI don't
know con artist in him, right. 

2159
01:42:11,880 --> 01:42:14,000
Like it's like, hey, hey, you 
want to tell the story? 

2160
01:42:14,120 --> 01:42:16,840
I don't really feel like it. 
Well, maybe if you buy me a 

2161
01:42:16,840 --> 01:42:19,280
drink, I wonder how many times I
told this story. 

2162
01:42:19,400 --> 01:42:21,440
How many people in that bar, do 
you think it's just those two or

2163
01:42:21,440 --> 01:42:23,360
three guys at the table? 
Or do you think everyone in 

2164
01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:25,960
there knows because he can't 
wait to tell everyone because if

2165
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:28,480
you're going to buy him a drink 
for it, and maybe it's part of 

2166
01:42:28,480 --> 01:42:32,920
why he's popular, but it is 
risky to go around say this, 

2167
01:42:32,920 --> 01:42:36,440
right? 
So like, if it, I don't know, I 

2168
01:42:36,440 --> 01:42:39,880
can't, I don't like this guy, 
whether it's true or not, I 

2169
01:42:39,880 --> 01:42:42,920
don't like this guy and I think 
he's going to cause trouble and 

2170
01:42:42,920 --> 01:42:46,000
or get himself killed, so. 
That's so funny, Sean. 

2171
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:48,040
I didn't expect you to not like 
this guy. 

2172
01:42:48,120 --> 01:42:50,200
I like that he has the gift of 
gab. 

2173
01:42:50,200 --> 01:42:54,840
I find him entertaining. 
He clearly has some dubious 

2174
01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:57,880
morals and that he's stealing, 
but he's also not necessarily 

2175
01:42:57,880 --> 01:42:59,360
well to do so. 
Can you really? 

2176
01:43:00,040 --> 01:43:03,480
I had so much fun with Alf in 
our breakdown, writing our 

2177
01:43:03,480 --> 01:43:08,280
breakdown because I just refer 
to everybody as their relation 

2178
01:43:08,280 --> 01:43:11,520
to Alf. 
So Aegon is now Alf's nephew, 

2179
01:43:12,200 --> 01:43:15,720
and right here is all sneeze and
egg on the conquerors. 

2180
01:43:15,720 --> 01:43:17,520
All's great, great, great great 
grandfather. 

2181
01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:20,120
They're all as everything is 
framed from Alf's point of view.

2182
01:43:20,480 --> 01:43:23,640
Yeah, it really cracked me up 
editing the breakdown as I've 

2183
01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:26,440
been going through it every time
he says that Alf is really 

2184
01:43:26,440 --> 01:43:31,120
giving me shades of Glendon Ball
in A Night of the Seven Kingdoms

2185
01:43:31,120 --> 01:43:34,920
Fireball, which is why I would 
have thought you might like Alf,

2186
01:43:34,920 --> 01:43:36,880
Sean, because you love Glendon 
Ball. 

2187
01:43:37,080 --> 01:43:40,640
And I feel that he's got some 
similar themes going on. 

2188
01:43:41,120 --> 01:43:46,600
Maybe not as much of A art of 
gold passion to him, but I I 

2189
01:43:46,600 --> 01:43:50,200
feel the dynamic is similar in 
that for those unfamiliar, I'll 

2190
01:43:50,200 --> 01:43:52,600
just say real quick, there's a 
character in A Night of the 

2191
01:43:52,600 --> 01:43:56,800
Seven Kingdoms, the Duncan Egg 
books, Glendon Ball who believes

2192
01:43:56,800 --> 01:44:02,000
he is the son, the bastard son 
or, or just son of a fireball, a

2193
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:05,920
very famous warrior, and claims 
it. 

2194
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:07,320
And it's kind of made fun of for
it. 

2195
01:44:08,080 --> 01:44:15,600
But Glendon Ball stands up to 
ridicule and torture over the 

2196
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:17,640
integrity of who he believes he 
is. 

2197
01:44:17,680 --> 01:44:23,200
Which once again might not even 
be true, but he is confident and

2198
01:44:23,200 --> 01:44:26,960
proud enough of it that he is 
willing to die over it. 

2199
01:44:27,160 --> 01:44:30,320
This guy is angling to get a 
free drink over it like. 

2200
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:36,640
Lots of free drinks, yeah. 
So Tracy McMillan asks, was the 

2201
01:44:36,640 --> 01:44:39,960
serving girl waiting on Elf and 
Company Diana the one who was 

2202
01:44:39,960 --> 01:44:43,800
assaulted by Eggon? 
Yes, that is her that the one 

2203
01:44:43,800 --> 01:44:46,520
that the guy spanks and that's 
how we see her because he spanks

2204
01:44:46,520 --> 01:44:49,040
her and she like gets shocked 
and gives us a chance for the 

2205
01:44:49,040 --> 01:44:50,520
camera to focus on her for a 
half second. 

2206
01:44:50,600 --> 01:44:52,440
She. 
Can't escape being assaulted. 

2207
01:44:52,440 --> 01:44:54,000
Can't escape being assaulted, 
No. 

2208
01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:57,600
Yeah, and Allison told her to go
work somewhere far away. 

2209
01:44:57,600 --> 01:45:00,840
She clearly didn't go do that. 
But anyway, I don't blame her 

2210
01:45:00,840 --> 01:45:02,520
for not moving. 
It's hard to move in this, you 

2211
01:45:02,520 --> 01:45:04,560
know, to leave, go to a 
different go, move to a 

2212
01:45:04,560 --> 01:45:07,240
different city, you know, like 
it's hard to do in this era when

2213
01:45:07,240 --> 01:45:08,960
you're a. 
Comedy her limited world. 

2214
01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:12,000
This might be far away. 
You know that's true. 2-2 miles 

2215
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:15,640
away is pretty far when you've 
only ever travelled the castle. 

2216
01:45:16,080 --> 01:45:22,160
So it's a a moment of like awe 
and shock when Aegon just shows 

2217
01:45:22,160 --> 01:45:26,160
up at the bar with his drinkings
guard and Alf is like facing 

2218
01:45:26,160 --> 01:45:27,120
him. 
They're like, there's your other

2219
01:45:27,120 --> 01:45:29,880
nephew and he's like, he looks 
legitimately scared. 

2220
01:45:29,880 --> 01:45:33,440
Like he's he's like, because 
like you said, Sean, like 

2221
01:45:34,040 --> 01:45:36,080
telling these lies or these 
truths. 

2222
01:45:36,360 --> 01:45:38,280
Either way, it could get him 
killed. 

2223
01:45:38,280 --> 01:45:39,760
So he's not wrong. 
Like that's the one of the the 

2224
01:45:39,800 --> 01:45:41,080
most honest things he probably 
said. 

2225
01:45:41,080 --> 01:45:43,120
There was like, this is the kind
of thing that could get me 

2226
01:45:43,120 --> 01:45:45,000
killed. 
That's the part that's true. 

2227
01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:46,920
Like, like that's definitely 
true. 

2228
01:45:46,920 --> 01:45:49,000
Even because if even if you're 
right, even if he's making it 

2229
01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:53,880
up, it's it's dangerous. 
So we don't see Diana's reaction

2230
01:45:53,880 --> 01:45:56,000
to Aegon showing up. 
She'd be like, Oh my, what the 

2231
01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:58,920
hell, this this guy, she might 
just go hide in the corner or 

2232
01:45:58,920 --> 01:46:00,360
something, but we don't we don't
see it. 

2233
01:46:00,360 --> 01:46:02,000
We. 
Just see her serve him. 

2234
01:46:03,120 --> 01:46:04,640
Oh, is that? 
Oh, we do see her serve him. 

2235
01:46:04,920 --> 01:46:06,680
That's it right there. 
I didn't realize that happened. 

2236
01:46:06,680 --> 01:46:08,280
Oh my gosh. 
She turns her head away. 

2237
01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:10,000
She's like don't notice me, 
don't notice me. 

2238
01:46:10,720 --> 01:46:12,040
Yeah, well, she just comes up 
and probably. 

2239
01:46:12,040 --> 01:46:13,800
Gets. 
His drinks and then walks away 

2240
01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:14,960
It's. 
Yeah, he probably doesn't even 

2241
01:46:14,960 --> 01:46:16,120
notice. 
He might not even remember. 

2242
01:46:16,120 --> 01:46:18,640
Yeah, I mean, he's wasted. 
He's super wasted at this point,

2243
01:46:18,640 --> 01:46:22,440
so he may not remember her. 
And he's drunk, So there's two 

2244
01:46:22,440 --> 01:46:25,160
double whammy there. 
So everyone's happy that the 

2245
01:46:25,160 --> 01:46:26,880
King's coming in to buy them 
drinks. 

2246
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:30,400
And everyone except all who 
just, like, just looks like he 

2247
01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:35,520
just had a brush with death. 
And that then they quickly move 

2248
01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:36,880
on. 
We see them, you know, have 

2249
01:46:36,880 --> 01:46:37,760
their drinks. 
And then we just. 

2250
01:46:38,160 --> 01:46:40,480
Brothel scene, right? 
We head over to the brothel and 

2251
01:46:40,480 --> 01:46:42,480
this things get a little more 
serious over here. 

2252
01:46:42,760 --> 01:46:46,560
This episode had Millie Alcock, 
but this scene truly had all the

2253
01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:49,560
cock. 
Yeah, Tom Glenn Carney shows off

2254
01:46:49,560 --> 01:46:52,800
more excellent drunk acting 
skills, mostly laughing at his 

2255
01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:54,960
brother. 
And this is pretty cringy 

2256
01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:58,400
because it's so mean, right? 
Like, it's like, this is this 

2257
01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:00,840
is, this feels so like, talk 
about, like, mocking your 

2258
01:47:00,840 --> 01:47:02,040
brother, making fun of your 
brother. 

2259
01:47:02,120 --> 01:47:04,400
Talk about bringing back trauma 
from when you're young. 

2260
01:47:04,680 --> 01:47:09,680
Let's not forget that he blames 
Luke and Jace for the prank. 

2261
01:47:09,960 --> 01:47:13,400
But we know Aegon was the 
mastermind of the pig prank in 

2262
01:47:13,400 --> 01:47:15,280
the 1st place. 
He just kind of got away with 

2263
01:47:15,280 --> 01:47:16,480
it. 
Like, they didn't, you know, 

2264
01:47:16,480 --> 01:47:18,360
like his mom confronted. 
He's like, no, I didn't, you 

2265
01:47:18,360 --> 01:47:20,080
know, trying to do that. 
And he and she was willing to 

2266
01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:22,720
believe that, you know, in in 
retrospect, she probably should 

2267
01:47:22,720 --> 01:47:25,000
have pressed it more. 
I mean, like really, you're 

2268
01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:26,920
blaming the Valerian kids, the 
strongs. 

2269
01:47:26,920 --> 01:47:30,880
You always blame them, you know,
But I mean, to be fair, they 

2270
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:33,000
were a part of it, no doubt. 
They definitely went along with 

2271
01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:36,040
it. 
But Eamon is proud and and he's 

2272
01:47:36,040 --> 01:47:40,600
triggered by this teasing. 
He says she means nothing to me,

2273
01:47:40,600 --> 01:47:45,880
but does anyone believe that? 
The other guys might and I think

2274
01:47:45,880 --> 01:47:50,080
he said that very calculated 
because right, exactly. 

2275
01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:53,640
I think he needed to say that 
because he learned he paid 

2276
01:47:53,640 --> 01:47:55,240
attention to what she told him 
before. 

2277
01:47:55,240 --> 01:47:58,600
Is like, you angry Princess, 
cause trouble for regular people

2278
01:47:58,600 --> 01:48:03,040
like me and and like Damon 
telling the story about, oh, I'm

2279
01:48:03,040 --> 01:48:04,800
going to marry Missouri. 
She's pregnant now. 

2280
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:07,600
Like that could get her killed. 
Like if he says the wrong thing,

2281
01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:10,280
if he lets Aegon and these other
people think that she's 

2282
01:48:10,280 --> 01:48:12,440
important to him, she becomes a 
target. 

2283
01:48:12,440 --> 01:48:13,880
That's true. 
She becomes one of their toys. 

2284
01:48:13,880 --> 01:48:17,200
She goes she's in danger. 
He need, he's passed for her 

2285
01:48:17,200 --> 01:48:18,640
sake. 
He has to pretend like she 

2286
01:48:18,640 --> 01:48:19,360
doesn't matter to. 
Him. 

2287
01:48:19,480 --> 01:48:21,240
Yep, has to take. 
Hold of him, but he was really 

2288
01:48:21,240 --> 01:48:23,480
protecting her and that's part 
of what he was struggling with. 

2289
01:48:23,880 --> 01:48:25,520
He wanted to lash out at his 
brother. 

2290
01:48:25,520 --> 01:48:29,840
He wanted to defend his honor or
her honor or, or avoid this 

2291
01:48:29,840 --> 01:48:33,080
embarrassment, all these things.
And he's like, anything I do, 

2292
01:48:34,200 --> 01:48:36,760
even if it's justified, it's 
just going to get her in 

2293
01:48:36,760 --> 01:48:39,240
trouble. 
I I just got to get out of here 

2294
01:48:39,240 --> 01:48:41,840
and pretend like I don't care. 
I'm not sure that mattered him 

2295
01:48:41,840 --> 01:48:44,600
more than his own pride, but I 
definitely think that's in play.

2296
01:48:45,200 --> 01:48:50,000
Who, you know, six of 1/2 
doesn't have the other, and he 

2297
01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:52,680
calls him Amon the Fierce and 
he's just mocking him and he's 

2298
01:48:52,680 --> 01:48:55,920
laughing so hard. 
No one else laughs. 

2299
01:48:55,960 --> 01:48:58,800
The drinking guard don't laugh. 
The Squire does not laugh. 

2300
01:48:58,800 --> 01:49:00,400
Sylvia obviously does not laugh 
either. 

2301
01:49:01,280 --> 01:49:03,800
I think one of me in heaven was 
like averting their eyes through

2302
01:49:03,840 --> 01:49:06,280
the whole situation. 
Yeah, the Squire, by the way, is

2303
01:49:06,280 --> 01:49:08,840
referred to as like Piggy or 
something, which I think might 

2304
01:49:08,840 --> 01:49:11,360
make he makes me think he's from
House Hog, which is a crown 

2305
01:49:11,360 --> 01:49:13,320
lands house. 
And the hogs do have various 

2306
01:49:13,320 --> 01:49:14,880
circles association with 
Targaryens. 

2307
01:49:14,960 --> 01:49:16,560
There was a Sir John Hogg who 
fought. 

2308
01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:18,960
We saw another Hogg. 
Did we? 

2309
01:49:19,120 --> 01:49:20,400
Oh well, the pink, the pink 
dread. 

2310
01:49:20,400 --> 01:49:22,040
No, in this episode too. 
Hog where? 

2311
01:49:23,120 --> 01:49:29,120
Were the other ones. 
Oh, Aziz, my sweet summer child 

2312
01:49:29,240 --> 01:49:31,520
who are. 
Oh, the hogs, of course there 

2313
01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:34,680
were two in this very scene. 
Yes, she or she's referring to 

2314
01:49:34,840 --> 01:49:39,160
male members. 
Yes, yes, Penai, yes, I forgot 

2315
01:49:39,160 --> 01:49:47,280
those are called hogs sometimes.
So is Aegon mocking his brother 

2316
01:49:47,280 --> 01:49:49,720
just 'cause he's a Dick? 
Or is it in part some of his own

2317
01:49:49,720 --> 01:49:54,320
insecurity coming out, hearing 
what Laurie's told him and like,

2318
01:49:54,320 --> 01:49:55,840
trying to get back at him a 
little bit? 

2319
01:49:56,720 --> 01:49:59,200
Like it might be? 
I think there's does he, does he

2320
01:49:59,480 --> 01:50:01,680
hammer his brother with this 
much mockery? 

2321
01:50:01,680 --> 01:50:03,360
If not for that, Or maybe he 
does it anyway. 

2322
01:50:03,360 --> 01:50:06,000
What do you think? 
I think it's mostly because he's

2323
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:07,920
drunk. 
Honestly that's what I think 

2324
01:50:08,080 --> 01:50:11,320
maybe a combination of drunk and
the reason he's drunk in the 1st

2325
01:50:11,320 --> 01:50:14,920
place is he's trying to avoid 
his failings and 

2326
01:50:14,920 --> 01:50:17,760
responsibilities and whatever 
all else insecurities. 

2327
01:50:18,120 --> 01:50:19,840
Yeah, yeah, that sounds about 
right. 

2328
01:50:20,680 --> 01:50:23,000
So Blue Floor asked. 
The new Kings guard were the A 

2329
01:50:23,000 --> 01:50:25,760
goons, right? 
Yes, the drinking's guard, the A

2330
01:50:25,760 --> 01:50:27,000
goons. 
Yes. 

2331
01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:29,680
Those are his three buddies that
were sitting by with him on the 

2332
01:50:29,680 --> 01:50:32,840
throne and giving him nicknames 
that he hadn't earned. 

2333
01:50:33,800 --> 01:50:35,880
Yeah, those same three guys are 
in the Kingsguard. 

2334
01:50:35,880 --> 01:50:36,800
Yes. 
Like what? 

2335
01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:38,880
Yeah, I know that's confusing to
some people, 'cause this Sean, 

2336
01:50:38,880 --> 01:50:40,680
not a book thing. 
He doesn't do that in the book. 

2337
01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:43,200
So we're we're we have no idea 
where it's going with that. 

2338
01:50:43,200 --> 01:50:44,920
Probably nowhere good. 
These guys don't seem very 

2339
01:50:44,920 --> 01:50:47,560
competent, but maybe they'll 
come up with some spicy new 

2340
01:50:47,560 --> 01:50:49,200
nicknames for him. 
They're good at that. 

2341
01:50:50,560 --> 01:50:53,000
I can I say this might be 
jumping ahead a little, but I 

2342
01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:57,080
think that this does piece 
together well. 

2343
01:50:57,280 --> 01:51:00,400
I remember thinking it was a 
little dubious that Allison 

2344
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:04,440
could go to the Sept and and 
Rainier Meter and the Kings 

2345
01:51:04,440 --> 01:51:06,880
Garden not be more aware. 
Isn't there be too many eyes and

2346
01:51:06,880 --> 01:51:08,480
too much protection? 
No. 

2347
01:51:08,480 --> 01:51:10,720
If this is the King's Guard, 
none of these yahoos, they don't

2348
01:51:10,720 --> 01:51:12,640
know where care. 
They're hungover. 

2349
01:51:12,640 --> 01:51:15,320
Like these guys aren't really 
keeping the proper care of the 

2350
01:51:15,320 --> 01:51:17,000
royal family. 
It was also established that 

2351
01:51:17,000 --> 01:51:19,160
they wait outside for her, which
is why it worked too. 

2352
01:51:19,160 --> 01:51:21,680
The whole the Sept thing like 
that's the how they did that in 

2353
01:51:21,680 --> 01:51:23,760
season one. 
Like they don't go in, they give

2354
01:51:23,760 --> 01:51:25,400
her privacy. 
They're standing right outside 

2355
01:51:25,400 --> 01:51:28,200
the door, which should be safe 
enough, but. 

2356
01:51:28,200 --> 01:51:30,320
They still let a lot of other 
people come in and out and 

2357
01:51:30,320 --> 01:51:33,280
someone sat right next to her. 
It might be a security leak, but

2358
01:51:33,280 --> 01:51:34,760
they are. 
They don't see it that way, at 

2359
01:51:34,760 --> 01:51:37,200
least not right now. 
OK, so let's talk about we're 

2360
01:51:37,200 --> 01:51:38,400
we're actually almost to that 
scene. 

2361
01:51:38,400 --> 01:51:40,120
Let's talk about the marching 
out scene. 

2362
01:51:40,120 --> 01:51:42,400
Kristen Cole heading out with 
his army. 

2363
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:44,600
Allison meets Cole as he's 
leaving. 

2364
01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:47,480
And this is touches back on what
we were saying earlier. 

2365
01:51:47,920 --> 01:51:50,760
There's a little bit of tension 
here. 

2366
01:51:51,080 --> 01:51:52,920
We get our intro to Gwane 
Hightower. 

2367
01:51:52,920 --> 01:51:55,560
There's more tension with him 
because of all his rudeness. 

2368
01:51:55,760 --> 01:51:57,600
It's kind of funny though. 
It's hilarious rudeness. 

2369
01:51:57,600 --> 01:52:02,360
It's like this guy really does 
play the role of the upper class

2370
01:52:02,360 --> 01:52:05,920
Snooty kid quite well, which and
we, we talked about this guy 

2371
01:52:05,920 --> 01:52:09,040
before Freddie Fox's name. 
We were very excited for his his

2372
01:52:09,040 --> 01:52:10,560
appearance. 
And we were not disappointed. 

2373
01:52:10,560 --> 01:52:14,080
He was Speaking of snarky, I 
mean, this guy, he nailed it. 

2374
01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:16,680
Yeah. 
It helps to make Kristen Cole 

2375
01:52:16,680 --> 01:52:19,320
look more sympathetic when you 
put a jerk like this in front 

2376
01:52:19,320 --> 01:52:20,520
of. 
Them right, That's a very good 

2377
01:52:20,520 --> 01:52:22,440
point. 
So Gwane says he's been on the 

2378
01:52:22,440 --> 01:52:24,200
road for three months. 
What timing? 

2379
01:52:24,200 --> 01:52:26,360
He just misses his father's 
dismissal. 

2380
01:52:27,560 --> 01:52:30,240
I mean, to be fair, that would 
be like what the hell like man, 

2381
01:52:30,240 --> 01:52:33,160
I traveled all this way if my 
dad's just left like two days 

2382
01:52:33,160 --> 01:52:35,320
ago. 
Technically, we've seen Gwane 

2383
01:52:35,320 --> 01:52:37,320
Hightower before. 
He was in season one, episode 

2384
01:52:37,320 --> 01:52:38,200
one. 
He was in the joust. 

2385
01:52:38,200 --> 01:52:40,320
Damon challenged him directly. 
He was like a pick. 

2386
01:52:40,320 --> 01:52:42,000
He's going to choose a 
challenger, that guy. 

2387
01:52:42,200 --> 01:52:43,400
And then he cheated against him,
right? 

2388
01:52:43,400 --> 01:52:47,240
He used his he lanced his horse.
But that wasn't Freddie Fox. 

2389
01:52:47,240 --> 01:52:48,400
That was just some guy in a 
helmet. 

2390
01:52:48,400 --> 01:52:50,560
I mean, not just some guy, but 
it wasn't Freddie Fox. 

2391
01:52:51,120 --> 01:52:54,320
Otto noticed Allison and Cole, 
right? 

2392
01:52:54,320 --> 01:52:56,840
We all seem to catch that. 
Otto gave Allison and Cole a 

2393
01:52:56,840 --> 01:52:59,040
look when they came into council
chambers right after sleeping 

2394
01:52:59,040 --> 01:53:03,120
together. 
Gwane notices Allison give her 

2395
01:53:03,120 --> 01:53:07,280
favor to Otto, to Kristen, and 
Kristen's kind of being like, 

2396
01:53:07,280 --> 01:53:09,280
she's like, she doesn't look 
like she's thrilled about doing.

2397
01:53:10,040 --> 01:53:12,160
Yeah, it was pretty reluctant. 
She Yeah. 

2398
01:53:13,280 --> 01:53:15,840
He was a little annoyed at her 
for making Wayne announcement. 

2399
01:53:16,080 --> 01:53:17,520
Yeah. 
He was a little annoyed at her 

2400
01:53:17,520 --> 01:53:20,280
for making Wayne go with him. 
So I think he was kind of like 

2401
01:53:20,280 --> 01:53:22,520
needling her a little back, 
like, well, then send me with 

2402
01:53:22,520 --> 01:53:25,440
your favor, you know, because 
it's not him. 

2403
01:53:25,640 --> 01:53:27,000
He's not your favor. 
Yeah. 

2404
01:53:28,040 --> 01:53:30,800
He did that a little publicly. 
He let her get a little distance

2405
01:53:30,800 --> 01:53:32,480
away. 
So he had a raise her voice, 

2406
01:53:32,480 --> 01:53:34,000
raise his voice for her to hear 
him. 

2407
01:53:34,000 --> 01:53:37,160
And and so now it's awkward for 
her to turn down the Lord 

2408
01:53:37,160 --> 01:53:40,600
Commander in hand. 
He kind of forced her to have to

2409
01:53:41,160 --> 01:53:42,680
show him some respect, if you 
will you. 

2410
01:53:42,920 --> 01:53:47,440
Know I completely agree, Sean, I
thought I thought that he he did

2411
01:53:47,440 --> 01:53:51,360
that as well as kind of a show 
of of of power, the little 

2412
01:53:51,360 --> 01:53:54,280
little bit he could to put a 
little pressure on her there. 

2413
01:53:54,520 --> 01:53:58,320
And I, I found it to be a really
brilliant parallel counter 

2414
01:53:58,320 --> 01:54:04,320
parallel to season one, episode 
one when Kristen asks Rainiera 

2415
01:54:04,320 --> 01:54:07,760
for her favour and she gives it 
so happily and readily. 

2416
01:54:07,760 --> 01:54:10,680
And Allison also just looks 
taken by the the pageantry of it

2417
01:54:10,680 --> 01:54:13,880
all and the idea that, oh, I 
want a boy to ask for my favor. 

2418
01:54:13,880 --> 01:54:17,320
And, and in here now she is 
getting asked for her favor. 

2419
01:54:17,320 --> 01:54:19,480
And it's it's, it's not 
everything she wanted. 

2420
01:54:19,960 --> 01:54:21,960
Well, Damon asked for her favor 
in that scene, remember? 

2421
01:54:22,480 --> 01:54:24,200
Yeah, that's true. 
She Yeah, that's true. 

2422
01:54:24,200 --> 01:54:26,360
And she looks back at her 
father, like, is this OK? 

2423
01:54:26,800 --> 01:54:30,560
And he's like, he doesn't say 
no, but he's like, that dude 

2424
01:54:30,760 --> 01:54:32,520
just cheated against your 
brother. 

2425
01:54:32,520 --> 01:54:34,880
Like, don't take his favor, I 
think. 

2426
01:54:35,080 --> 01:54:36,280
I think she got it afterwards. 
Yeah. 

2427
01:54:36,600 --> 01:54:42,040
So anyway, so they ride out in 
their very small army. 

2428
01:54:42,040 --> 01:54:44,360
Now, here's a question, Sean, I 
asked you this about Baylor 

2429
01:54:44,360 --> 01:54:46,200
Rena. 
Will Cole and Allison ever see 

2430
01:54:46,200 --> 01:54:48,360
each other again? 
More like anytime there's a 

2431
01:54:48,360 --> 01:54:50,120
parting, it's a it's a worthy 
question. 

2432
01:54:50,120 --> 01:54:53,360
Like, there's so much death in 
these shows, you know what's 

2433
01:54:53,360 --> 01:54:56,280
your It's obviously a pure 
guess, but maybe there's context

2434
01:54:56,280 --> 01:54:58,080
clues from the way the story is 
playing out. 

2435
01:54:59,240 --> 01:55:01,400
I will say I hadn't considered 
it with him. 

2436
01:55:02,280 --> 01:55:04,800
Now that you asked me, I'm like,
Oh yeah, there's a good chance 

2437
01:55:04,800 --> 01:55:07,920
not. 
But I hadn't thought about it. 

2438
01:55:08,000 --> 01:55:11,240
I wasn't as worried about him. 
And I don't know if that's 

2439
01:55:11,240 --> 01:55:15,760
because he's with the whole army
and he seems to be a more 

2440
01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:20,160
important character on screen, 
or if it's because I guess I 

2441
01:55:20,160 --> 01:55:22,360
hadn't considered like the 
Reaper cut, like who would be 

2442
01:55:22,360 --> 01:55:25,160
the next hand? 
Is that Bars's angle to get in? 

2443
01:55:25,160 --> 01:55:27,000
Yeah, the drinking's guard 
clearly right. 

2444
01:55:27,240 --> 01:55:30,280
Yeah, yeah. 
Stick with the Kings guard for 

2445
01:55:30,280 --> 01:55:32,720
hands, you know. 
Yeah. 

2446
01:55:32,720 --> 01:55:35,040
I, I hadn't considered, Yeah, 
that he might not come back 

2447
01:55:35,080 --> 01:55:35,680
either. 
Yeah. 

2448
01:55:36,560 --> 01:55:38,080
So, yeah, so we'll see. 
Yeah, we'll see. 

2449
01:55:38,080 --> 01:55:39,320
I just wanted to get your take 
on that. 

2450
01:55:39,320 --> 01:55:41,520
Yeah. 
As they leave, it's a small 

2451
01:55:41,520 --> 01:55:45,000
army, which explains why 
Rainey's nor Baela see them at 

2452
01:55:45,000 --> 01:55:46,880
first. 
Baela obviously sees them not 

2453
01:55:46,880 --> 01:55:50,040
long after, but that is 
explained by the small size of 

2454
01:55:50,040 --> 01:55:51,760
the army. 
And that was the point, Kristen 

2455
01:55:51,760 --> 01:55:54,440
says. 
We go in a small group, add men 

2456
01:55:54,440 --> 01:55:55,960
as we go, when we're out of 
sight. 

2457
01:55:56,600 --> 01:55:59,320
And as we see we as as they 
leave, we see Cheese's body 

2458
01:55:59,720 --> 01:56:04,040
rotting as a crow feasts on him.
A feast for, well, one crow 

2459
01:56:04,040 --> 01:56:05,960
anyway. 
Presumably there's more crows on

2460
01:56:05,960 --> 01:56:07,400
the other bodies, so it's it 
works. 

2461
01:56:09,000 --> 01:56:12,800
Moondancer here. 
We see several trailer scenes 

2462
01:56:12,800 --> 01:56:16,800
get resolved and clarified. 
Gwane, acting like a member of 

2463
01:56:16,800 --> 01:56:20,560
the drinking's guard, wants to 
be comfortable have drinks on 

2464
01:56:20,560 --> 01:56:22,920
campaign being real Snooty about
it. 

2465
01:56:22,920 --> 01:56:26,680
Acting like Cole doesn't have 
authority over him and Cole has 

2466
01:56:26,680 --> 01:56:28,520
to ride out personally to stop 
him, which I appreciate. 

2467
01:56:28,520 --> 01:56:29,960
I know like some people see that
as just. 

2468
01:56:30,440 --> 01:56:33,120
Would he really do this himself?
Yes, he would do this himself. 

2469
01:56:33,120 --> 01:56:35,000
He wouldn't send a messenger. 
They would ignore the messenger.

2470
01:56:35,000 --> 01:56:38,320
They almost ignored him. 
So they don't think anyone can 

2471
01:56:38,320 --> 01:56:40,560
tell them what to do. 
So yes, he's got to let go. 

2472
01:56:40,800 --> 01:56:43,760
Be authoritative about it. 
They're resisting his authority.

2473
01:56:44,200 --> 01:56:46,160
Something tells me after the 
scene they're going to listen to

2474
01:56:46,160 --> 01:56:53,160
him a little more like to 
Gwaine's credit, he does seem to

2475
01:56:53,720 --> 01:56:56,960
back down after realizing he's 
screwed up and he thanks Cole 

2476
01:56:56,960 --> 01:56:58,920
for saving his life. 
So it's it's a really fun scene.

2477
01:56:59,760 --> 01:57:03,960
Ryan Kondahl said that the 
design for Moondancer was there 

2478
01:57:03,960 --> 01:57:10,040
were two notes he gave David 
Bowie and tiger striped green 

2479
01:57:10,040 --> 01:57:12,960
punk rocker with a Mohawk, which
is related to David Bowie. 

2480
01:57:13,120 --> 01:57:15,920
So that's Moondancer's design. 
We stand. 

2481
01:57:15,920 --> 01:57:19,560
She is so cool. 
I love how she notices them. 

2482
01:57:19,560 --> 01:57:22,640
It's like there's like a little 
glint of of armor in the 

2483
01:57:22,640 --> 01:57:24,440
distance. 
It's not like she can't really 

2484
01:57:24,440 --> 01:57:27,440
see them that well, but the 
shining armor is is there and it

2485
01:57:27,440 --> 01:57:30,720
lets you know that if they just 
covered themselves in cloth, it 

2486
01:57:30,720 --> 01:57:34,160
might also help stay unnoticed. 
But anyway, so going at night 

2487
01:57:34,160 --> 01:57:37,560
will certainly solve that 
problem as as Cole says, that 

2488
01:57:37,560 --> 01:57:38,400
was pretty cool. 
I like that. 

2489
01:57:38,400 --> 01:57:41,280
It was a neat little way to 
bird's eye Dragon's eye view. 

2490
01:57:41,840 --> 01:57:44,320
And later that gets brought up. 
The whole bail is good eyesight 

2491
01:57:44,320 --> 01:57:47,680
thing as as kind of a as a 
moment of diplomacy. 

2492
01:57:47,680 --> 01:57:50,720
But we'll come back to that. 
Yeah, Gwen says good showing, 

2493
01:57:50,720 --> 01:57:53,760
Sir. 
Kristen, you know, like and 

2494
01:57:53,760 --> 01:57:58,480
thank you, you know, and call 
takes the opportunity to his new

2495
01:57:58,480 --> 01:58:01,400
found leverage of saving the 
man's life to be like and no 

2496
01:58:01,400 --> 01:58:03,920
effing Inns, you know, like, all
right, now you're going to 

2497
01:58:03,920 --> 01:58:06,920
listen to me, aren't you? 
And we'll see if he does. 

2498
01:58:06,920 --> 01:58:10,120
But you get the sense that he's 
gone, at least in the short 

2499
01:58:10,120 --> 01:58:12,520
term. 
I think that did also add a 

2500
01:58:12,520 --> 01:58:16,120
little bit to, I don't know, 
maybe Cole's experience and 

2501
01:58:16,120 --> 01:58:19,880
these guys privilege when he 
warned him when they were about 

2502
01:58:19,880 --> 01:58:21,920
to hit out, he's like, it's 
going to be a tough ride and 

2503
01:58:21,920 --> 01:58:25,600
like, oh, whoa, I'm excited for 
a tough ride with you, you 

2504
01:58:25,640 --> 01:58:28,480
Dornish. 
But then, but now they're on a 

2505
01:58:28,480 --> 01:58:31,160
tough ride and instead of 
sleeping in camp with everyone 

2506
01:58:31,160 --> 01:58:32,720
else, they're going off to the 
end. 

2507
01:58:32,720 --> 01:58:34,520
He's like, look, I told you it's
going to be a tough ride, man. 

2508
01:58:34,520 --> 01:58:37,200
It's not a vacation. 
Yeah, he wasn't expecting to get

2509
01:58:37,200 --> 01:58:40,160
attacked by a dragon, but that 
nothing tells you like you need 

2510
01:58:40,160 --> 01:58:42,400
to be more careful than that. 
Like that's a brush with death. 

2511
01:58:42,680 --> 01:58:45,000
So I don't know if you noticed 
this, Sean, but did you hear 

2512
01:58:45,000 --> 01:58:47,640
Baylor or putting in her dinner 
order right as she got to the 

2513
01:58:47,640 --> 01:58:49,840
tree line there When she pulls 
up to the tree line, she goes 

2514
01:58:49,840 --> 01:58:51,440
sea bass and then fly. 
That's. 

2515
01:58:52,680 --> 01:58:54,960
I heard she said something. 
I assume it was Valyrian. 

2516
01:58:54,960 --> 01:58:56,760
Yeah, it's Valyrian or whatever.
Yeah, it is. 

2517
01:58:57,000 --> 01:58:59,440
But it sounds like sea bass. 
So it sounds like she was making

2518
01:58:59,440 --> 01:59:04,280
a dinner order anyway. 
So she goes back and then we see

2519
01:59:04,280 --> 01:59:08,560
the report of this encounter. 
We'll call this the Back Back in

2520
01:59:08,560 --> 01:59:11,520
Black Council section here. 
Rainier's council again. 

2521
01:59:11,520 --> 01:59:13,480
Just so ready for war. 
Obviously they were already so 

2522
01:59:13,480 --> 01:59:17,120
ready, even ready for Dragons. 
Now they're even more ready for 

2523
01:59:17,120 --> 01:59:21,040
it after this 'cause they have 
this straight up indication that

2524
01:59:21,040 --> 01:59:23,360
there's an army on the March and
Bale is quite sure about it. 

2525
01:59:23,800 --> 01:59:28,400
And remember the earlier 
insubordinacy there was. 

2526
01:59:28,400 --> 01:59:30,080
Alfred Broome laughed at her the
first time. 

2527
01:59:30,080 --> 01:59:33,120
He doesn't laugh this time. 
But they're still not like who 

2528
01:59:33,120 --> 01:59:34,920
would laugh at. 
No one would laugh at Aegon, 

2529
01:59:34,920 --> 01:59:36,840
especially not I mean, they 
didn't laugh at Amond either. 

2530
01:59:36,840 --> 01:59:40,200
Like laughing at Rainier is just
a good way to show that they're 

2531
01:59:40,200 --> 01:59:42,000
not taking her seriously. 
There's this little little 

2532
01:59:42,000 --> 01:59:45,760
misogyny probably and contempt 
for what they see as weakness. 

2533
01:59:46,240 --> 01:59:49,560
Like if she was like all 
aggressive and warlike there 

2534
01:59:49,560 --> 01:59:51,960
might still be some of the 
misogyny, but they would not be 

2535
01:59:52,600 --> 01:59:54,720
laughing at her in action, 
that's for sure. 

2536
01:59:54,720 --> 01:59:58,520
But I but they're not entirely 
wrong. 

2537
01:59:59,200 --> 02:00:01,440
Cole has taken the field and is 
making moves. 

2538
02:00:01,440 --> 02:00:04,720
I don't necessarily agree with 
their strategy, but the inaction

2539
02:00:04,720 --> 02:00:07,680
is a bit of a problem. 
They don't know Damon, they 

2540
02:00:07,680 --> 02:00:10,800
haven't heard back from Damon. 
We know his plan is in motion. 

2541
02:00:10,800 --> 02:00:13,960
Stuff's happening now. 
Broom's plan that he suggests is

2542
02:00:13,960 --> 02:00:15,960
pretty similar to what Cole, 
Amon and Egon are doing. 

2543
02:00:15,960 --> 02:00:18,440
He's just like, let's just go 
intimidate houses. 

2544
02:00:18,440 --> 02:00:20,840
Go out there, start intimidating
houses and make them follow us. 

2545
02:00:21,240 --> 02:00:25,000
He's not quite as region 
specific or and he doesn't even 

2546
02:00:25,000 --> 02:00:27,080
have an army. 
He just says they should send 

2547
02:00:27,080 --> 02:00:28,520
Dragons. 
So it's not a fully fledged 

2548
02:00:28,520 --> 02:00:30,000
plan. 
It's not a very good plan. 

2549
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:35,120
It needs more work, but he's not
wrong that as we said at the 

2550
02:00:35,120 --> 02:00:37,840
beginning, yes, it's good to try
for peace, but from our 

2551
02:00:37,840 --> 02:00:40,080
perspective, from the viewers, 
we know it's too late. 

2552
02:00:40,360 --> 02:00:42,200
We know it's too late. 
We've seen the Army's March. 

2553
02:00:42,200 --> 02:00:45,520
So but we but Rainier wants to 
take that last stab at it. 

2554
02:00:45,520 --> 02:00:48,200
She's like I I appreciate this 
quality of her. 

2555
02:00:48,200 --> 02:00:54,080
She's not letting them make her 
mind for her, which shows that 

2556
02:00:54,080 --> 02:00:56,520
she's not weak, right? 
That in itself proves he's not 

2557
02:00:56,520 --> 02:00:58,160
weak because she's standing up 
to them. 

2558
02:00:58,160 --> 02:01:00,720
She's like, Nope, all you're 
you're all arguing against me 

2559
02:01:00,720 --> 02:01:02,520
and I don't know, and I'm, but 
I'm the queen. 

2560
02:01:03,560 --> 02:01:05,840
I decide, you know, So I, I 
respected that. 

2561
02:01:05,840 --> 02:01:07,760
It's it's it's like that line in
season 1A. 

2562
02:01:07,760 --> 02:01:09,360
Reluctance to murder is not 
weakness. 

2563
02:01:09,680 --> 02:01:12,240
A reluctance to unleash Dragons 
isn't either. 

2564
02:01:13,040 --> 02:01:14,960
But once the war has started, 
you can't half ass it. 

2565
02:01:14,960 --> 02:01:17,200
You got to go. 
I'm I'm realizing as we're 

2566
02:01:17,200 --> 02:01:21,680
talking about this, there's some
parallels going on here. 

2567
02:01:22,120 --> 02:01:27,080
Do you remember when she was a 
cup bearer for Vasaris and then 

2568
02:01:27,080 --> 02:01:30,200
and Coralie just wanted to go 
attack the step stones and 

2569
02:01:30,200 --> 02:01:32,400
Vasaris said no, no, I don't 
want to get mixed up in war with

2570
02:01:32,400 --> 02:01:35,120
everyone's a little frustrated 
with Vasaris not wanting to get 

2571
02:01:35,120 --> 02:01:37,240
mixed up in war. 
Now here she is. 

2572
02:01:37,520 --> 02:01:41,280
They all want her and and she 
offered up in that moment like, 

2573
02:01:41,280 --> 02:01:43,960
well, why don't we send a dragon
rider, you know, like, oh, we 

2574
02:01:43,960 --> 02:01:45,680
don't necessarily have to 
declare all our war. 

2575
02:01:45,680 --> 02:01:47,160
We could send a dragon over 
there. 

2576
02:01:47,520 --> 02:01:50,120
And now that's what her whole 
council is telling her. 

2577
02:01:50,120 --> 02:01:52,640
Look, send the Dragons, man, 
push our power. 

2578
02:01:52,640 --> 02:01:54,520
And she's like, Oh no, no, I 
don't want to do it. 

2579
02:01:54,520 --> 02:02:01,080
Just like Visarus didn't want to
and Visarus also, when was it 

2580
02:02:01,080 --> 02:02:02,360
Damon? 
I can't remember now if it was 

2581
02:02:02,360 --> 02:02:04,520
Damon or Cordless that pressed 
him. 

2582
02:02:04,880 --> 02:02:05,960
So like, you need to do 
something. 

2583
02:02:05,960 --> 02:02:07,600
You're not doing anything. 
I did do something. 

2584
02:02:07,760 --> 02:02:10,360
I sent invoice, I offered 
treaties. 

2585
02:02:10,360 --> 02:02:14,000
I've mobilized ships and said 
it's not like go to war or 

2586
02:02:14,000 --> 02:02:15,640
nothing. 
There are other ways to take 

2587
02:02:15,640 --> 02:02:18,560
action. 
And that's what's Ranira can't 

2588
02:02:18,560 --> 02:02:21,160
tell them this, but that's what 
the action she wants to take 

2589
02:02:21,160 --> 02:02:25,160
first, she wants to try before 
the Dragons is go talk to 

2590
02:02:25,160 --> 02:02:27,320
Allison. 
Like, Renee Rainey's put that 

2591
02:02:27,320 --> 02:02:30,400
seed in her mind and that's what
she's angling for this moment 

2592
02:02:30,800 --> 02:02:33,000
because I think she knows how 
bad it's going to be. 

2593
02:02:34,040 --> 02:02:37,960
Like, I think she realizes that 
is eventually the path that 

2594
02:02:37,960 --> 02:02:40,840
they're on is the Dragons are 
going to just start fighting 

2595
02:02:40,840 --> 02:02:43,080
each other. 
And we just can't. 

2596
02:02:43,080 --> 02:02:47,600
We just can't let that happen. 
However unpopular or stressful 

2597
02:02:47,600 --> 02:02:49,920
or risky or whatever other plans
there are. 

2598
02:02:49,920 --> 02:02:53,440
It's got to be the last resort. 
Well, to be to clarify one thing

2599
02:02:53,440 --> 02:02:57,560
you said she isn't she's saying 
that out the Dragons, yes, but 

2600
02:02:57,560 --> 02:03:00,320
she but the armies are marching.
She knows that she's not. 

2601
02:03:00,320 --> 02:03:02,640
She already knows there's going 
to be a war of soldiers at this 

2602
02:03:02,640 --> 02:03:06,640
point, unless there she's 
basically only trying to stop 

2603
02:03:06,640 --> 02:03:08,440
the dragon part of it. 
She knows, like I don't think 

2604
02:03:08,440 --> 02:03:10,240
she thinks she can even stop 
even she can stop the armies, 

2605
02:03:10,280 --> 02:03:12,520
but the armies can easily be 
drawn back on their own. 

2606
02:03:12,800 --> 02:03:16,840
Once there, they take orders. 
They can they'll do what they're

2607
02:03:16,840 --> 02:03:20,920
told for the most part, and it's
not it's not a it's not a simple

2608
02:03:20,920 --> 02:03:22,400
thing. 
And and we think about Valyria 

2609
02:03:22,400 --> 02:03:23,640
as well as same thing is true. 
There we talk. 

2610
02:03:23,640 --> 02:03:27,520
We have an episode on ancient 
Valyria and the Roinar with with

2611
02:03:27,520 --> 02:03:30,560
Nymeria and her and that whole 
business of the Roinar being 

2612
02:03:30,560 --> 02:03:33,560
destroyed and her fleeing. 
Well, a big part of that is same

2613
02:03:33,560 --> 02:03:35,280
thing happened there. 
There were lots of conflict 

2614
02:03:35,280 --> 02:03:39,000
between the Roinar and the 
Valyrians before the Valyrians 

2615
02:03:39,000 --> 02:03:40,920
actually sent Dragons. 
There were army, there was 

2616
02:03:40,920 --> 02:03:44,000
fights with armies and all this 
stuff forever before Dragons got

2617
02:03:44,000 --> 02:03:45,240
involved. 
And there weren't Dragons to 

2618
02:03:45,240 --> 02:03:47,360
fight back. 
It was only Dragons on one side.

2619
02:03:47,360 --> 02:03:49,640
Even when they were the only 
dragon riders, they still didn't

2620
02:03:49,640 --> 02:03:52,280
send them for a while. 
So yeah, this is a long standing

2621
02:03:52,960 --> 02:03:57,880
strategy because your Dragons, 
the the fear of them is worth 

2622
02:03:57,880 --> 02:04:01,800
more than what they can do in 
battle because there's no risk. 

2623
02:04:01,800 --> 02:04:03,360
If you never put them in battle,
they can't die. 

2624
02:04:03,360 --> 02:04:05,440
And then you always have that 
threat and then you always have 

2625
02:04:05,440 --> 02:04:07,720
that leverage. 
Once they go into battle, you 

2626
02:04:07,720 --> 02:04:10,760
might lose it. 
Even if you don't lose it, what 

2627
02:04:10,800 --> 02:04:11,400
do you. 
You. 

2628
02:04:11,520 --> 02:04:16,360
So you you burn down River Run, 
and now you control River Run. 

2629
02:04:16,360 --> 02:04:16,920
Oh, no. 
Yeah. 

2630
02:04:17,080 --> 02:04:17,960
Why do we? 
Yeah. 

2631
02:04:19,240 --> 02:04:22,720
You're gonna kill all your 
people that you're trying to 

2632
02:04:22,720 --> 02:04:25,320
rule and protect. 
It's it's just the worst. 

2633
02:04:25,320 --> 02:04:25,920
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

2634
02:04:26,360 --> 02:04:29,200
So I said I was looking forward 
to seeing Lars on the Green 

2635
02:04:29,200 --> 02:04:32,360
Council, and now perhaps we'll 
see Missouri on the Black 

2636
02:04:32,360 --> 02:04:34,320
Council. 
I suspect the other members will

2637
02:04:34,320 --> 02:04:35,680
look down on her. 
And then they'll probably look 

2638
02:04:35,680 --> 02:04:37,080
down on Lars too, for his 
deformity. 

2639
02:04:37,080 --> 02:04:38,880
But though he's noble. 
So this will be a different. 

2640
02:04:38,880 --> 02:04:42,120
This will be more misogyny and 
low born, which and which is 

2641
02:04:42,120 --> 02:04:44,600
probably going to hit harder 
because they have more they can 

2642
02:04:44,600 --> 02:04:49,640
pick on her for in the society. 
And Mazzaria wants a reward for 

2643
02:04:49,640 --> 02:04:52,040
saving the queen after Eric Ark.
Fair play. 

2644
02:04:52,040 --> 02:04:53,360
That's like, how much is the 
queen worth? 

2645
02:04:53,360 --> 02:04:55,200
Yeah. 
I mean, you do deserve a reward.

2646
02:04:55,640 --> 02:04:59,880
But mostly she says it's 
Rainier's mercy, her restraint 

2647
02:04:59,880 --> 02:05:02,280
towards the common folk. 
That's why she wants to team up 

2648
02:05:02,280 --> 02:05:03,600
with her. 
That's why she's like, OK, now 

2649
02:05:03,600 --> 02:05:07,640
I'm on your side. 
But she also has no mercy plan 

2650
02:05:07,640 --> 02:05:09,280
for the Hightowers. 
That's something they seem to 

2651
02:05:09,280 --> 02:05:11,360
agree on. 
Mazar is like, yeah, I have no 

2652
02:05:11,360 --> 02:05:13,200
mercy for the Hightowers, the 
common folk. 

2653
02:05:13,200 --> 02:05:16,120
Yeah, but no, not the Hightower.
And of course, this parallels 

2654
02:05:17,640 --> 02:05:19,400
Aegon stuff. 
So we don't have. 

2655
02:05:19,640 --> 02:05:22,600
She's not explicitly called 
Master Whispers, but yeah, I 

2656
02:05:22,680 --> 02:05:25,040
mean, yeah. 
What is your general level of 

2657
02:05:25,040 --> 02:05:26,880
trust here with Mazzaria? 
Do you think? 

2658
02:05:28,040 --> 02:05:31,640
Like, is she mostly what she 
says she wants to protect the 

2659
02:05:31,640 --> 02:05:35,680
common folk, or is there a 
little bit of other ambition 

2660
02:05:35,680 --> 02:05:37,960
here? 
Is it true what she said about 

2661
02:05:37,960 --> 02:05:39,480
wanting to be a person of 
consequence? 

2662
02:05:39,480 --> 02:05:41,000
Is she back to that now? 
Yeah. 

2663
02:05:41,000 --> 02:05:44,080
Like just give me a a one minute
take on Mazzaria. 

2664
02:05:45,880 --> 02:05:47,160
Yeah, I have a hard time reading
her. 

2665
02:05:47,160 --> 02:05:49,240
My my inclination is to trust 
her. 

2666
02:05:49,240 --> 02:05:53,560
She seems to have fundamentally 
good motivations, but she has 

2667
02:05:53,560 --> 02:05:59,640
also been dishonest and and I 
don't know, manipulative, 

2668
02:05:59,640 --> 02:06:05,400
selfish, other things in in the 
mix that like the The thing is, 

2669
02:06:05,520 --> 02:06:08,640
in this current scenario, I 
think the worst she could do is 

2670
02:06:08,640 --> 02:06:12,640
like trying to run off with some
money at a key moment. 

2671
02:06:12,640 --> 02:06:15,040
Like, I don't think she's going 
to, I don't think she's going to

2672
02:06:15,040 --> 02:06:17,280
sabotage Rainier in any way. 
Does that make sense? 

2673
02:06:17,480 --> 02:06:18,680
She doesn't. 
Have loyalty to the Greens? 

2674
02:06:18,680 --> 02:06:20,560
Yeah. 
Why would she change sides? 

2675
02:06:20,560 --> 02:06:22,640
Yeah, That that's that part. 
Part of what makes her safe, I 

2676
02:06:22,640 --> 02:06:23,160
guess. 
Yeah. 

2677
02:06:23,360 --> 02:06:29,000
I may not fully trust her, but I
think she has enough value and 

2678
02:06:29,000 --> 02:06:31,640
the damage she could do was low 
enough that it's worth trusting 

2679
02:06:31,640 --> 02:06:32,320
her. 
Does that make sense? 

2680
02:06:32,440 --> 02:06:34,360
Yeah, it does. 
So there's this brief 

2681
02:06:34,360 --> 02:06:36,000
conversation they have about sea
smoke. 

2682
02:06:36,680 --> 02:06:38,840
Mazari asks. 
Are they always like this? 

2683
02:06:38,840 --> 02:06:42,040
And Rainier says, this one's 
been restless lately. 

2684
02:06:42,040 --> 02:06:43,680
We saw sea smoke circling 
around. 

2685
02:06:45,920 --> 02:06:49,200
Yeah, Adam of Hall before. 
And oh, I correct him. 

2686
02:06:49,200 --> 02:06:50,760
I was like, wait, am I going to 
say the wrong name? 

2687
02:06:50,760 --> 02:06:52,320
I always, Adam and Alan always 
mix them up. 

2688
02:06:52,600 --> 02:06:55,800
And she, Mazari has interesting 
insights. 

2689
02:06:55,800 --> 02:06:57,640
She says maybe, maybe he's 
lonely. 

2690
02:06:57,640 --> 02:07:00,600
And Rainier seems taken aback by
that suggestion. 

2691
02:07:00,600 --> 02:07:01,840
But there's, it doesn't go 
anywhere. 

2692
02:07:01,840 --> 02:07:04,000
She just thinks about it for a 
second, and it's like, she never

2693
02:07:04,000 --> 02:07:05,200
considered that. 
And I wonder, it's like, oh, 

2694
02:07:05,200 --> 02:07:07,920
maybe, maybe that could be it. 
Well, two things there. 

2695
02:07:07,920 --> 02:07:12,360
One is some people think this 
could be a clue that Lenore has 

2696
02:07:12,360 --> 02:07:16,120
died off screen and Sea Smoke is
now lonelier. 

2697
02:07:16,320 --> 02:07:18,160
I don't necessarily think that 
has to be true. 

2698
02:07:18,160 --> 02:07:20,960
I think it's just Sea Smoke is 
has been lonely and has gotten 

2699
02:07:20,960 --> 02:07:28,800
lonelier over time and all that.
And it makes me wonder too one 

2700
02:07:28,800 --> 02:07:31,720
of Sea Smoke and Cyrax hang out.
Does that help with Sea Smoke's 

2701
02:07:31,720 --> 02:07:33,880
loneliness? 
I don't know, but also I think 

2702
02:07:33,880 --> 02:07:38,240
it, it parallels rain era right 
now actually, because rain era 

2703
02:07:38,240 --> 02:07:43,800
is about to be all alone and a 
solitary dragon, you know, and, 

2704
02:07:43,800 --> 02:07:45,880
and lonely. 
So I, I kind of feel that rain 

2705
02:07:45,880 --> 02:07:49,640
era in this episode is feeling 
lonely and, and sea smoke is 

2706
02:07:49,640 --> 02:07:52,360
too. 
But we'll talk more about Sea 

2707
02:07:52,360 --> 02:07:55,440
Smoke, Aziz and I on our 
Saturday spoiler episode. 

2708
02:07:56,440 --> 02:07:58,480
One other shot we saw from the 
trailer. 

2709
02:07:59,000 --> 02:08:02,360
Speaking of of Cyrax is the sea 
smoke and Cyrax facing each 

2710
02:08:02,360 --> 02:08:05,880
other from from very early 
trailer scenes pre season, so 

2711
02:08:06,280 --> 02:08:10,000
that also perhaps presents a 
little bit of connection between

2712
02:08:10,000 --> 02:08:13,080
them. 
Let me tell you my read here now

2713
02:08:13,080 --> 02:08:15,600
I don't know where it's gone as 
the strong chance I'm completely

2714
02:08:15,600 --> 02:08:19,040
wrong, don't spoil me. 
However, they immediately cut 

2715
02:08:19,080 --> 02:08:22,800
the immediate next scene after 
this viewing of Sea Smoke. 

2716
02:08:22,800 --> 02:08:25,120
And maybe he's lonely. 
Cut to Rainier. 

2717
02:08:25,600 --> 02:08:28,560
Well, to Rainier and Reyna. 
They cut to I think the next 

2718
02:08:28,560 --> 02:08:31,960
image on screen is Reyna and it 
So to me, I'm like, oh, she's 

2719
02:08:31,960 --> 02:08:33,560
finally going to get her dragon 
sea smoke. 

2720
02:08:33,560 --> 02:08:35,120
That's that's my current 
predictions. 

2721
02:08:35,400 --> 02:08:38,280
That would make sense. 
The I guess the problem is that 

2722
02:08:38,280 --> 02:08:40,320
she is sea smoke going to follow
her all the way to the Veil. 

2723
02:08:40,320 --> 02:08:41,520
Yeah, maybe. 
Maybe she will. 

2724
02:08:41,520 --> 02:08:43,640
That would make her safer. 
That, but the Veil wanted to 

2725
02:08:43,640 --> 02:08:45,280
drag you to protect him. 
Maybe that'll be the dragon. 

2726
02:08:45,560 --> 02:08:47,320
There you go. 
That would be a funny way for 

2727
02:08:47,320 --> 02:08:48,880
that to work out. 
Like, hey, one followed us here.

2728
02:08:48,880 --> 02:08:50,120
We didn't. 
We didn't plan to bring this 

2729
02:08:50,120 --> 02:08:51,960
one, but it followed us here. 
And there we go. 

2730
02:08:51,960 --> 02:08:52,600
Yeah. 
OK. 

2731
02:08:52,880 --> 02:08:55,160
Yeah, that'd be cool. 
So let's talk about the final 

2732
02:08:55,160 --> 02:08:58,040
scene sneaking into the Sept. 
It's set up first by Rainier 

2733
02:08:58,040 --> 02:08:59,760
sitting alone in her room 
without her children. 

2734
02:08:59,760 --> 02:09:02,760
As we said, the whole queen 
without the mother, The 

2735
02:09:02,760 --> 02:09:04,640
loneliness that you were just 
speaking to is a good set up for

2736
02:09:04,640 --> 02:09:07,160
this conversation. 
She puts away her children's 

2737
02:09:07,160 --> 02:09:09,080
toys. 
She seems to be holding an idol 

2738
02:09:09,080 --> 02:09:13,160
of the mother, looking at it and
and reflecting on it, which sets

2739
02:09:13,160 --> 02:09:15,920
up where they're going to be 
soon in the Sept with the big 

2740
02:09:15,920 --> 02:09:17,560
statue of the mother looking 
down on them. 

2741
02:09:17,560 --> 02:09:20,720
So that's that's pretty cool. 
I just I want to say before we 

2742
02:09:20,720 --> 02:09:22,920
finish it up, I'm I'm not going 
to say it now, but I have 

2743
02:09:22,920 --> 02:09:25,640
several thoughts from throughout
this episode that really get 

2744
02:09:25,640 --> 02:09:27,680
tied together. 
I mean, throughout the series, 

2745
02:09:27,680 --> 02:09:29,840
they get tied together in this 
final scene. 

2746
02:09:29,840 --> 02:09:32,680
So give me a minute before we 
end it to you. 

2747
02:09:32,680 --> 02:09:34,040
Got it. 
Put some thoughts together. 

2748
02:09:34,560 --> 02:09:38,160
This scene is transitioned to 
from Sylvie, who's kind of like 

2749
02:09:38,160 --> 02:09:40,480
Amon's foster mother figure as 
well, so there's a lot of mother

2750
02:09:40,480 --> 02:09:43,120
vibes here. 
She finally reads Allison's 

2751
02:09:43,120 --> 02:09:46,840
letter, the one mentioned back 
in episode one, the same 1 Lord 

2752
02:09:46,840 --> 02:09:49,720
Jasper mocked at the time, like 
Oh yeah, the apology for your 

2753
02:09:49,720 --> 02:09:52,760
son's death, you know, like I'm 
sure she loved that letter. 

2754
02:09:53,120 --> 02:09:57,120
And the moment she unlocks the 
letter, I mean UN unlocks, 

2755
02:09:57,360 --> 02:10:01,400
breaks the seal, the green dress
song starts playing, which is 

2756
02:10:01,400 --> 02:10:04,160
Allison's theme song ever since 
the green dress moment in 

2757
02:10:04,160 --> 02:10:08,080
episode 5 of season one, which 
of course is even, which is so 

2758
02:10:08,080 --> 02:10:09,880
famous now that it's even in 
part of the intro. 

2759
02:10:10,320 --> 02:10:16,360
So she finally, I guess, decides
that this is worth her one last 

2760
02:10:16,360 --> 02:10:19,360
try after reading this letter 
and seeing what Allison wrote. 

2761
02:10:19,840 --> 02:10:23,520
And Mazaria's prior knowledge of
Allison's movement is key here. 

2762
02:10:23,520 --> 02:10:27,120
This is pretty well set up 
because yes, Allison has a 

2763
02:10:27,120 --> 02:10:30,440
regular appearance at the Sept. 
This is pretty well situated, 

2764
02:10:30,440 --> 02:10:33,560
pretty well established. 
And the Sept is where Mazaria 

2765
02:10:33,560 --> 02:10:35,920
hit Aegon, where the showdown to
capture him was. 

2766
02:10:35,920 --> 02:10:38,760
So she's very familiar with the 
area, understands how it's used 

2767
02:10:38,760 --> 02:10:42,160
by the Royals, understands its, 
you know, what goes on there, 

2768
02:10:42,160 --> 02:10:44,080
knows some hidden rooms, I 
guess. 

2769
02:10:44,640 --> 02:10:47,800
And Sir Stefan Darkland, who is,
you know, Rainier goes with 

2770
02:10:47,800 --> 02:10:53,040
Rainier as as her Kingsguard hot
pretending to be a a begging 

2771
02:10:53,040 --> 02:10:56,320
brother or a septon reading his 
book there, as you can see on 

2772
02:10:56,320 --> 02:11:00,960
screen, he sits down like right 
where Cole dueled Aurek while 

2773
02:11:00,960 --> 02:11:04,240
Eamon tackles his brother who 
doesn't want to be crowned and 

2774
02:11:04,600 --> 02:11:07,440
says, you know, let me go, you 
know, let me leave and all that.

2775
02:11:08,600 --> 02:11:11,160
Too bad they didn't Then this 
scene wouldn't be happening. 

2776
02:11:12,280 --> 02:11:15,680
Might still be We aimed instead.
So this scene gives us quite a 

2777
02:11:15,680 --> 02:11:18,400
few trailer moments. 
We were wondering about we Shay 

2778
02:11:18,400 --> 02:11:20,160
and I talked about this way in 
the preseason. 

2779
02:11:20,160 --> 02:11:22,760
There was this shot of Allison's
dress and Rainier as dagger and 

2780
02:11:22,760 --> 02:11:24,480
it was Rainier as rings. 
We're like, that's right near 

2781
02:11:24,480 --> 02:11:26,320
his hand. 
That's Allison's dress. 

2782
02:11:26,440 --> 02:11:28,400
What the Hell's going on here? 
Why are they in the same room 

2783
02:11:28,400 --> 02:11:31,080
together? 
Well, now we know lots of 

2784
02:11:31,080 --> 02:11:33,160
daggers in this episode. 
We got the dagger slamming into 

2785
02:11:33,160 --> 02:11:34,720
the table. 
We got this dagger. 

2786
02:11:34,720 --> 02:11:36,960
We got the dagger up the sleeve 
for sure, Stefan. 

2787
02:11:37,360 --> 02:11:39,840
Yeah. 
Is it, is it spoilery for for me

2788
02:11:39,840 --> 02:11:42,400
to ask? 
This didn't happen in a book. 

2789
02:11:42,440 --> 02:11:44,320
She didn't sneak in and have 
this meeting with Allison. 

2790
02:11:44,320 --> 02:11:46,280
Correct. 
It did not Yeah, yeah. 

2791
02:11:46,280 --> 02:11:47,720
This is something that yeah, 
this is this one was. 

2792
02:11:47,720 --> 02:11:49,520
It'd be hard to say it's in the 
histories. 

2793
02:11:49,520 --> 02:11:51,000
Like how would they know about 
the secret meeting? 

2794
02:11:51,000 --> 02:11:52,200
You know they. 
Also didn't have such an 

2795
02:11:52,320 --> 02:11:55,840
impactful close relationship in 
in the book so it wouldn't have 

2796
02:11:55,840 --> 02:11:57,680
really even been on her radar to
do. 

2797
02:11:57,880 --> 02:12:00,840
Yeah, she was 10 years older. 
And yeah, it's yeah, they 

2798
02:12:00,840 --> 02:12:02,040
weren't, they weren't close 
buddies. 

2799
02:12:02,040 --> 02:12:06,760
They didn't grow up together. 
So as they're walking into the 

2800
02:12:06,760 --> 02:12:08,920
city, there's a really 
interesting filmmaking technique

2801
02:12:08,920 --> 02:12:10,600
that Geeta Patel uses a few 
times. 

2802
02:12:10,600 --> 02:12:13,200
She uses it the first time when 
they're going to the bar. 

2803
02:12:13,360 --> 02:12:14,920
You have no idea who you're 
following. 

2804
02:12:14,920 --> 02:12:16,840
You're like following a bunch of
crowd and it's like, oh, it's 

2805
02:12:16,840 --> 02:12:18,240
this brown haired woman. 
Then no, it's not. 

2806
02:12:18,240 --> 02:12:21,120
It's it's this guy. 
Oh, it's off going into the bar.

2807
02:12:21,240 --> 02:12:23,040
They do the same thing here. 
You have no idea who you're 

2808
02:12:23,040 --> 02:12:24,800
following. 
You're going into this, into the

2809
02:12:24,800 --> 02:12:27,920
gate of King's Landing. 
There's like a cart, there's 

2810
02:12:27,920 --> 02:12:30,800
some people, there's some more 
people, and you have no idea who

2811
02:12:30,800 --> 02:12:32,600
it is we're looking at. 
And it's like, oh, there's 

2812
02:12:32,600 --> 02:12:34,920
Rainier and Stefan. 
So it's pretty cool to show them

2813
02:12:34,920 --> 02:12:36,960
in disguise. 
Even we didn't see them at 

2814
02:12:36,960 --> 02:12:38,120
first. 
Even we don't recognize them at 

2815
02:12:38,120 --> 02:12:39,840
first from behind. 
They just look like any other 

2816
02:12:39,840 --> 02:12:42,800
two people. 
And yeah, I like that was kind 

2817
02:12:42,800 --> 02:12:45,200
of neat, neat little way to show
just how blended in they were. 

2818
02:12:45,960 --> 02:12:49,760
Now, let's not forget as well, 
Rainier snuck out in public with

2819
02:12:49,760 --> 02:12:52,560
Damon back in the season one 
also, like she was young, but 

2820
02:12:52,600 --> 02:12:55,160
she had a little cowl. 
But she has experience being 

2821
02:12:55,160 --> 02:12:58,760
Incognito and does have and, and
has been out in the crowd before

2822
02:12:58,760 --> 02:13:00,640
without being recognized. 
So she'd be like, yeah, I've 

2823
02:13:00,640 --> 02:13:03,600
done this and wasn't recognized.
So when Mazaria says you'd be 

2824
02:13:03,600 --> 02:13:07,600
surprised how little people will
notice you if you're not dressed

2825
02:13:07,600 --> 02:13:11,080
up to be looking good or in 
royal clothing or whatever. 

2826
02:13:11,080 --> 02:13:12,280
And she's like, yeah, good 
point. 

2827
02:13:12,280 --> 02:13:14,320
In fact, I've done that before 
and and it worked. 

2828
02:13:15,360 --> 02:13:18,040
So she was excited when someone 
told called her a boy like get 

2829
02:13:18,040 --> 02:13:19,800
out of the way boy. 
He's like cool, he called me a 

2830
02:13:19,800 --> 02:13:20,200
boy. 
That's. 

2831
02:13:20,800 --> 02:13:23,240
Right, that was fun. 
And this was clarified nicely in

2832
02:13:23,240 --> 02:13:25,440
ultra scene as well. 
Remember the guy the Dornish 

2833
02:13:25,440 --> 02:13:27,960
guy's like you don't look like 
Damon or Viserys and he's like, 

2834
02:13:28,160 --> 02:13:29,680
how do you know what they look 
like? 

2835
02:13:30,560 --> 02:13:33,160
Like, right, it's true. 
They don't know what the Royals 

2836
02:13:33,160 --> 02:13:34,800
look like. 
Like there's no Internet. 

2837
02:13:34,800 --> 02:13:37,920
Like what if someone in Dorne 
doesn't unless you see them and 

2838
02:13:37,920 --> 02:13:39,800
maybe even if you do see them, 
you probably saw them from a 

2839
02:13:39,800 --> 02:13:41,440
distance. 
Like when did you get close to 

2840
02:13:41,440 --> 02:13:43,680
the king or the Prince? 
Like you probably didn't. 

2841
02:13:44,280 --> 02:13:47,360
So these are good arguments to 
why she won't get noticed. 

2842
02:13:47,480 --> 02:13:50,520
That said, I I still don't, I 
kind of don't love the idea of 

2843
02:13:50,520 --> 02:13:51,840
the scene. 
It was a maybe a little 

2844
02:13:51,840 --> 02:13:55,760
contrived, but it was so good. 
The execution was so good, and 

2845
02:13:55,760 --> 02:13:58,200
it was very important resolution
and very important 

2846
02:13:58,200 --> 02:14:01,760
clarification. 
Now we know that Allison knows 

2847
02:14:02,720 --> 02:14:07,040
it was a mistake, but she's so 
She's wrong about her 

2848
02:14:07,160 --> 02:14:10,640
interpretation of the prophecy, 
but she's right that it's too 

2849
02:14:10,640 --> 02:14:14,000
late to do anything about it. 
I completely agree with you, 

2850
02:14:14,040 --> 02:14:16,560
Aziz. 
Not my favorite thing 

2851
02:14:16,560 --> 02:14:19,640
conceptually, but I think that 
getting these these two 

2852
02:14:19,640 --> 02:14:23,800
characters together is important
in a lot of ways for the for the

2853
02:14:23,800 --> 02:14:27,760
story, for the arc of the the 
show, the series, etcetera. 

2854
02:14:27,760 --> 02:14:30,720
I I can see it and I don't think
it's the most contrived in that 

2855
02:14:30,920 --> 02:14:33,880
Damon literally went to King's 
Landing recently. 

2856
02:14:34,000 --> 02:14:36,560
We have seen this in A Song of 
Ice and fire. 

2857
02:14:36,560 --> 02:14:40,680
People having this, Jamie went 
in like we've seen with Tyrion 

2858
02:14:40,680 --> 02:14:43,280
and Jamie, like we've, we've 
seen this type of dynamic happen

2859
02:14:43,280 --> 02:14:45,120
so many times that I don't think
it's crazy. 

2860
02:14:45,120 --> 02:14:47,280
I don't think it's it's totally 
it's. 

2861
02:14:47,280 --> 02:14:49,160
More of a trope I guess. 
Yeah, it's more of a trope. 

2862
02:14:49,280 --> 02:14:50,280
Exactly. 
It's a trope. 

2863
02:14:50,280 --> 02:14:52,560
I don't think it's it's a 
terrible trope. 

2864
02:14:52,560 --> 02:14:54,800
It's not my favorite. 
I don't find it exact super 

2865
02:14:54,800 --> 02:14:57,120
riveting. 
I don't find myself on the edge 

2866
02:14:57,120 --> 02:14:59,000
of my seat about it. 
I'm not really worried about 

2867
02:14:59,000 --> 02:15:00,800
Rainy Rd. getting caught here. 
Like what's going to happen? 

2868
02:15:00,800 --> 02:15:03,640
Nothing's going to happen. 
So like, there's that for me. 

2869
02:15:03,640 --> 02:15:06,880
But I think it gave them some 
really important story beats, 

2870
02:15:06,880 --> 02:15:10,080
character beats. 
And it wasn't dumb. 

2871
02:15:10,080 --> 02:15:14,440
It was it was foolish on 
Rainier's part, but worth the 

2872
02:15:14,440 --> 02:15:16,360
shot. 
I still think like, I don't 

2873
02:15:16,360 --> 02:15:18,800
think it was dumb of Rainier to 
try this. 

2874
02:15:18,800 --> 02:15:22,680
I, you said it earlier, Sean, if
she thought there was a one in 

2875
02:15:22,680 --> 02:15:26,560
1000 chance, one in a million, 
like if there was some chance 

2876
02:15:26,560 --> 02:15:31,800
that she could stop the war a 
bit, that that's worth it to me,

2877
02:15:32,040 --> 02:15:34,960
even if she's risking her life. 
And I do like to see a ruler 

2878
02:15:34,960 --> 02:15:38,000
risk their own life when they're
risking the lives of all their 

2879
02:15:38,000 --> 02:15:40,600
people. 
So overall, I would say I give 

2880
02:15:40,600 --> 02:15:45,360
the idea of it like a six, but 
like the effect of it like a 

2881
02:15:45,360 --> 02:15:48,400
nine, you know? 
Quick, before you say anything, 

2882
02:15:48,400 --> 02:15:50,880
Sean, just to add one more thing
so you can have this to, to add 

2883
02:15:50,880 --> 02:15:55,360
on to your your comments, is 
that the trailer shot for next 

2884
02:15:55,360 --> 02:15:57,000
episode? 
There's one where Rainier 

2885
02:15:57,000 --> 02:15:59,480
explicitly says, and this is 
something people wanted to hear,

2886
02:15:59,480 --> 02:16:02,440
probably some people. 
She says, I had to know that 

2887
02:16:02,440 --> 02:16:04,120
there was no chance to stop the 
war, and now I do. 

2888
02:16:04,160 --> 02:16:07,520
So now she can fully commit. 
She says that in the trailer. 

2889
02:16:07,560 --> 02:16:11,360
So she was the last one holding 
out, along with Rainey's. 

2890
02:16:11,360 --> 02:16:12,720
Everyone else is already doing 
it. 

2891
02:16:12,720 --> 02:16:13,840
You know, everyone else is 
escalating. 

2892
02:16:13,840 --> 02:16:15,520
Armies are marshalling all over 
the country. 

2893
02:16:16,040 --> 02:16:17,400
The Greens are marshalling their
Dragons. 

2894
02:16:17,400 --> 02:16:19,040
They're conspire against each 
other potentially. 

2895
02:16:19,480 --> 02:16:21,640
Yeah. 
So now Rainier is on board, too.

2896
02:16:21,640 --> 02:16:23,520
Everyone's on board now. 
It's the war is happening. 

2897
02:16:23,520 --> 02:16:25,760
There's just no one's. 
There's no longer a single 

2898
02:16:25,760 --> 02:16:32,799
person that's trying to stop it.
And Allison says at one point 

2899
02:16:33,480 --> 02:16:36,959
she swears on her mother's grave
that that's what the Sarah said 

2900
02:16:36,959 --> 02:16:40,639
to her, that he repudiated 
Ranira or named Aegon. 

2901
02:16:40,639 --> 02:16:41,799
He didn't actually repudiate 
Aegon. 

2902
02:16:41,799 --> 02:16:44,920
Named Aegon, repudiate Rainier. 
He named Aegon his heir. 

2903
02:16:44,920 --> 02:16:46,360
And she's like, you're a liar. 
You're lying. 

2904
02:16:46,360 --> 02:16:50,480
And OK, I swear on my mother's 
grave, which Ranira did swear on

2905
02:16:50,480 --> 02:16:53,639
her mother's grave back in the 
in season one about the issue of

2906
02:16:53,639 --> 02:16:54,879
hooking up with Damon. 
Yeah. 

2907
02:16:54,879 --> 02:16:56,280
Yeah, exactly. 
Yeah, she was lying. 

2908
02:16:56,520 --> 02:16:59,719
Allison honestly believes 
herself, although not after the 

2909
02:16:59,719 --> 02:17:01,520
conversation is completed, but 
at this point in the 

2910
02:17:01,520 --> 02:17:03,639
conversation, she's like, no, 
I'm telling you the truth. 

2911
02:17:04,160 --> 02:17:08,559
So after arguing about that, 
Ranira just asks a question that

2912
02:17:08,559 --> 02:17:10,160
I was begging her to ask. 
I was like sitting there 

2913
02:17:10,160 --> 02:17:12,520
watching the screen, like ask 
her, what did he say? 

2914
02:17:12,520 --> 02:17:14,799
What did he say? 
Ask for particulars, you know. 

2915
02:17:14,959 --> 02:17:17,480
And she says that she says, OK, 
what did he say? 

2916
02:17:17,480 --> 02:17:18,959
What did my father say on his 
deathbed? 

2917
02:17:18,959 --> 02:17:21,200
And and she says, yeah, he was 
confused. 

2918
02:17:21,200 --> 02:17:24,160
He was Lily and he the Princess 
that with the Prince that was 

2919
02:17:24,160 --> 02:17:26,440
promised. 
He mentions he she says the word

2920
02:17:26,440 --> 02:17:28,040
the Princess that was the Prince
that was promised. 

2921
02:17:28,400 --> 02:17:30,240
And the music kicks in. 
It's like, oh, there's that 

2922
02:17:30,240 --> 02:17:31,920
music. 
There's the prophecy music, the 

2923
02:17:31,920 --> 02:17:33,400
song of ice and fire dagger 
music. 

2924
02:17:33,799 --> 02:17:35,400
And Rainiera's mood shifts 
quickly. 

2925
02:17:35,400 --> 02:17:37,320
She's like, what? 
He say that because there's no 

2926
02:17:37,320 --> 02:17:38,719
way she would know that term, 
right? 

2927
02:17:38,719 --> 02:17:41,920
That's a that's like a code word
that no one else is supposed to 

2928
02:17:41,920 --> 02:17:43,520
know. 
So it really means it really 

2929
02:17:43,520 --> 02:17:45,680
gives her credibility. 
It's like, oh crap, he really 

2930
02:17:45,680 --> 02:17:49,680
did tell you about this, but she
doesn't know the whole thing. 

2931
02:17:49,680 --> 02:17:52,520
It becomes quickly true that or 
apparent that she doesn't know 

2932
02:17:52,520 --> 02:17:53,719
the whole story of the song of 
Ice and fire. 

2933
02:17:53,719 --> 02:17:56,080
She just knows this this little 
bit that Desaris rattled off. 

2934
02:17:56,440 --> 02:17:58,280
And that's when Rainier a fully 
seems to get it. 

2935
02:17:58,280 --> 02:18:01,639
He's she's like, OK, you already
said he was kind of out of it. 

2936
02:18:01,959 --> 02:18:04,440
So he's just kind of telling you
these details and he's talking 

2937
02:18:04,440 --> 02:18:09,320
about Aegon the first Aegon the 
Conqueror had this story and 

2938
02:18:09,320 --> 02:18:12,080
Allison has that moment. 
She's like Aegon the the conch. 

2939
02:18:12,120 --> 02:18:14,600
Oh, oh, right. 
I have some people joking about 

2940
02:18:14,600 --> 02:18:16,200
this on Twitter. 
Like, you know, there's lots of 

2941
02:18:16,200 --> 02:18:17,879
Aegons, right? 
But actually, there's not that 

2942
02:18:17,879 --> 02:18:19,879
many at this point in history. 
At that time, there weren't as 

2943
02:18:19,879 --> 02:18:20,200
there. 
Were. 

2944
02:18:20,280 --> 02:18:21,440
Yeah. 
And there hadn't been many other

2945
02:18:21,440 --> 02:18:23,799
famous Aegons. 
And there's no other like Aegons

2946
02:18:23,799 --> 02:18:26,600
who are relevant now. 
There was Aegon the UN crown 

2947
02:18:26,600 --> 02:18:28,360
killed by Meg. 
Or why would he be the one? 

2948
02:18:28,799 --> 02:18:30,879
Aegon the Younger out of 
Rainier's daughter. 

2949
02:18:30,879 --> 02:18:33,080
But why would he be the one? 
He's, you know, three years old 

2950
02:18:33,080 --> 02:18:35,840
and he wasn't present then. 
Like, why would it? 

2951
02:18:35,879 --> 02:18:39,559
It's not a great answer that 
it's him. 

2952
02:18:39,559 --> 02:18:43,040
So, yeah, and there's hardly any
other egg guns at all. 

2953
02:18:43,320 --> 02:18:45,120
So, yeah. 
So that's it. 

2954
02:18:45,200 --> 02:18:48,000
She and she actually spills a 
little bit of the strategy, 

2955
02:18:48,240 --> 02:18:50,879
mostly stuff that's already 
known, but not, not one thing 

2956
02:18:50,879 --> 02:18:52,799
that that wasn't. 
She says, yeah, Cole's already 

2957
02:18:52,799 --> 02:18:56,280
on the March, which she knew my 
father's gone from the city, 

2958
02:18:56,280 --> 02:18:58,840
which she didn't, but she sort 
of suspected because Rainey's 

2959
02:18:59,040 --> 02:19:01,040
said he didn't. 
Otto didn't give this order, 

2960
02:19:01,040 --> 02:19:04,959
this Sir Ark order. 
And she says, and Eamond, well, 

2961
02:19:04,959 --> 02:19:09,240
you know what Eamond is. 
And she had already repudiated 

2962
02:19:09,240 --> 02:19:13,799
Eamon for killing Luke earlier 
in the in the scene. 

2963
02:19:13,920 --> 02:19:16,200
So she's like, well, of course 
you would repudiate that. 

2964
02:19:16,200 --> 02:19:18,040
And then then Rainier back says 
like, well, OK, I'm sorry. 

2965
02:19:18,040 --> 02:19:20,400
Yeah, You, you, you're on, 
you're, you're being honest 

2966
02:19:20,400 --> 02:19:21,959
about that. 
You didn't want your son to kill

2967
02:19:21,959 --> 02:19:23,840
my son. 
But she's still mad about it. 

2968
02:19:23,840 --> 02:19:26,160
So she has a hard time just. 
Yeah. 

2969
02:19:27,000 --> 02:19:31,639
So I don't think that's a super 
big knowledge drop that she just

2970
02:19:31,639 --> 02:19:33,920
gave Rainier. 
But that's like going to go back

2971
02:19:33,920 --> 02:19:37,160
and say, yeah, Otto's not there.
And whatever relevance that has,

2972
02:19:37,160 --> 02:19:41,040
it matters. 
But yeah, All right, Sean, 

2973
02:19:41,040 --> 02:19:44,440
here's your here's your moment 
to you said you had some slots 

2974
02:19:44,440 --> 02:19:46,480
saved up. 
Let's have that be our last 

2975
02:19:46,480 --> 02:19:48,680
thing today, and we'll call it a
night. 

2976
02:19:49,160 --> 02:19:51,720
Let's say that it had gone how 
Ranieri won it. 

2977
02:19:51,720 --> 02:19:54,600
Like remember what she said? 
She, you know, it was kind of a 

2978
02:19:54,640 --> 02:19:58,720
joke when, when Allison's like, 
oh, so you can't just surrender 

2979
02:19:58,720 --> 02:20:03,840
to me, you know, like it was so 
good when she's like. 

2980
02:20:04,680 --> 02:20:06,960
You know, if I scream, you know 
what's going to happen. 

2981
02:20:06,960 --> 02:20:09,320
Yeah, they'll, they'll they'll 
come and kill me, but I'll kill 

2982
02:20:09,320 --> 02:20:11,160
you first. 
And Allison said, OK, well, then

2983
02:20:11,160 --> 02:20:13,800
what? 
And and that, that that kind of,

2984
02:20:13,800 --> 02:20:17,920
to me, kind of stirred all these
thoughts I'm about to spout out.

2985
02:20:18,320 --> 02:20:21,800
The war would keep going. 
I don't think if Renera dies 

2986
02:20:21,960 --> 02:20:24,680
suddenly, Damon's like, oh, 
well, I guess I'll bow down to 

2987
02:20:24,680 --> 02:20:26,520
Aegon now. 
Right, Alice? 

2988
02:20:26,520 --> 02:20:29,240
In fact, it probably stirs the 
war even worse. 

2989
02:20:30,520 --> 02:20:34,080
And but you're kind of a point 
you made about like sending 

2990
02:20:34,240 --> 02:20:38,640
Aurek to try to kill Renera, 
that the maybe it stops some 

2991
02:20:38,640 --> 02:20:39,880
portion of the word. 
It would have happened, but 

2992
02:20:39,880 --> 02:20:42,760
probably immediately Damon and 
Chase fly with their Dragons and

2993
02:20:42,760 --> 02:20:44,040
burn King's Landing. 
You know what I mean? 

2994
02:20:44,040 --> 02:20:49,080
Like that What what next? 
What do you think happens next 

2995
02:20:49,080 --> 02:20:50,800
after we die? 
What do you think happens next 

2996
02:20:50,800 --> 02:20:55,160
in general? 
Because let's say that I agree. 

2997
02:20:55,160 --> 02:20:58,200
Let's say I want the same path 
to peace. 

2998
02:20:58,200 --> 02:20:59,680
You see, I'm not here to 
surrender. 

2999
02:20:59,680 --> 02:21:01,280
I'm here to find a path to 
peace. 

3000
02:21:01,280 --> 02:21:03,200
I'm hoping we can uncover path 
to peace. 

3001
02:21:03,720 --> 02:21:07,120
Let's say that Allison's like 
you're right. 

3002
02:21:07,200 --> 02:21:10,840
We should find a path to peace. 
I think you should be queen. 

3003
02:21:10,920 --> 02:21:13,640
I'll go tell Aegon, right? 
No way Allison says that. 

3004
02:21:13,640 --> 02:21:17,280
But say she does and say when 
she tells Aegon, Aegon's like, 

3005
02:21:17,280 --> 02:21:18,760
you know what? 
I didn't want this anyway. 

3006
02:21:18,760 --> 02:21:20,640
You're right. 
Rainier should be queen. 

3007
02:21:20,720 --> 02:21:23,760
I'll give up the crown. 
Do you think that would just end

3008
02:21:23,760 --> 02:21:26,880
it or do you think Amon steps 
up, says no, I should be the 

3009
02:21:26,880 --> 02:21:29,640
king and Chris and Cole says 
yeah, there's no way I've ever 

3010
02:21:29,640 --> 02:21:32,520
been in the need to Renira and 
all the other wars in auto. 

3011
02:21:33,000 --> 02:21:35,800
No one is just going to accept 
that that would not end it. 

3012
02:21:36,360 --> 02:21:41,400
So maybe if Rennera says, you 
know, the path to peace is for 

3013
02:21:41,400 --> 02:21:44,000
me to back out. 
I wish I'd just done this in the

3014
02:21:44,000 --> 02:21:46,880
1st place. 
I don't care about the crown. 

3015
02:21:46,880 --> 02:21:50,120
I, I, you can maybe compare it 
like to Stannis, who wants to be

3016
02:21:50,120 --> 02:21:52,600
king, but realize, well, 
actually as king, I need to 

3017
02:21:52,600 --> 02:21:54,160
protect the people. 
I need to start protecting the 

3018
02:21:54,160 --> 02:21:55,480
people and not worry about being
king. 

3019
02:21:55,480 --> 02:21:57,520
What if Renera did that? 
She's like, you know what? 

3020
02:21:57,960 --> 02:22:00,120
I'll drop my ego, I'll drop my 
claim. 

3021
02:22:00,120 --> 02:22:04,840
And I'll just say, do you think 
at that point Damon is like, OK,

3022
02:22:04,840 --> 02:22:08,120
yeah, Aegon's a king and. 
Nope, you're right, Sean. 

3023
02:22:08,120 --> 02:22:11,000
They wouldn't stop it. 
They're gonna keep this war is 

3024
02:22:11,000 --> 02:22:14,560
gonna happen no matter what. 
And I think it was true three 

3025
02:22:14,560 --> 02:22:18,320
days ago, 3 weeks ago. 
I, I I don't know at what point 

3026
02:22:18,320 --> 02:22:21,320
they maybe theoretically could 
have stopped it from happening 

3027
02:22:22,040 --> 02:22:24,560
and it and it makes sense to 
Renera doesn't know when she's 

3028
02:22:24,560 --> 02:22:26,920
going to talk to Allison. 
She doesn't realize how out of 

3029
02:22:26,920 --> 02:22:29,840
hand things got. 
She thinks Allison still has the

3030
02:22:31,080 --> 02:22:33,920
influence. 
Or, you know, power. 

3031
02:22:33,920 --> 02:22:35,360
Whatever. 
To be fair, I think she hopes 

3032
02:22:35,400 --> 02:22:37,080
she has it. 
I don't think she thinks she has

3033
02:22:37,120 --> 02:22:38,360
it. 
She hopes she has that. 

3034
02:22:38,400 --> 02:22:41,160
Yeah, but but it's, well, 
however much she's hoping for, 

3035
02:22:41,160 --> 02:22:44,040
it's even less. 
She doesn't know Kristen is the 

3036
02:22:44,040 --> 02:22:47,080
Kingsguard now and how much she 
probably we talked about last 

3037
02:22:47,080 --> 02:22:48,160
time. 
She probably didn't realize how 

3038
02:22:48,160 --> 02:22:50,400
much Kristen has it out for her.
And. 

3039
02:22:50,680 --> 02:22:54,440
The. 
The the thing it's so sad to me.

3040
02:22:54,440 --> 02:23:00,720
This whole scene, I think is so 
revelatory of how hopeless it is

3041
02:23:00,720 --> 02:23:05,280
and has been as hard as we're 
near as trying and Allison two 

3042
02:23:05,840 --> 02:23:08,120
they they can't. 
There's just not they can't. 

3043
02:23:08,120 --> 02:23:10,160
There's nothing they can do. 
It's just past that point. 

3044
02:23:10,160 --> 02:23:12,320
You knew from the beginning of 
the episode it was hopeless, but

3045
02:23:12,320 --> 02:23:15,680
this scene shows you just how 
hopeless it was and how hopeless

3046
02:23:15,680 --> 02:23:17,400
it's been for a while. 
That's a great point. 

3047
02:23:17,400 --> 02:23:19,880
Yeah. 
It's because it's gone too far 

3048
02:23:19,880 --> 02:23:21,480
for a while. 
It's already gone too far, yeah.

3049
02:23:21,560 --> 02:23:25,600
Let's say Allison hadn't 
misunderstood Visaris's last 

3050
02:23:25,600 --> 02:23:28,800
words. 
In fact, what if Thesaurus made 

3051
02:23:28,800 --> 02:23:33,000
it even more clear that don't? 
Forget the Council had already 

3052
02:23:33,000 --> 02:23:34,880
plotted to take the throne 
anyway. 

3053
02:23:34,880 --> 02:23:37,160
Yeah, exactly when. 
She went in there. 

3054
02:23:37,320 --> 02:23:40,880
They didn't decide to do it 
because of these last words 

3055
02:23:40,880 --> 02:23:42,960
Thesaurus had. 
That just made them feel a 

3056
02:23:42,960 --> 02:23:44,440
little better. 
About that just got her and 

3057
02:23:44,440 --> 02:23:46,800
they're gonna do it anyway. 
That's why she joined them. 

3058
02:23:46,800 --> 02:23:48,200
She would have been. 
She wouldn't have joined in 

3059
02:23:48,200 --> 02:23:50,840
otherwise, I don't think. 
Right, but say she didn't join 

3060
02:23:50,840 --> 02:23:51,200
in. 
What? 

3061
02:23:51,440 --> 02:23:54,160
What did she do to take a boat 
like a bandit go into? 

3062
02:23:54,160 --> 02:23:55,360
Retirement. 
Yeah, I don't know. 

3063
02:23:55,360 --> 02:23:58,960
I have no idea. 
And I think that's part of why 

3064
02:23:58,960 --> 02:24:01,680
that moment when she said no 
mistake was made. 

3065
02:24:02,120 --> 02:24:05,760
I think that Allison has already
done what we're near our knees 

3066
02:24:06,000 --> 02:24:10,000
now is just accepted. 
Like whether it's. 

3067
02:24:10,040 --> 02:24:11,840
True. 
Whether I can control it, 

3068
02:24:11,840 --> 02:24:13,320
whether I'm lying to myself, 
whatever. 

3069
02:24:13,320 --> 02:24:16,680
Like in order to go into war, in
order to protect my family, in 

3070
02:24:16,680 --> 02:24:18,640
order to make these tough 
decisions we're about to make, 

3071
02:24:18,640 --> 02:24:20,760
like Otto did when the boy was 
killed. 

3072
02:24:20,760 --> 02:24:23,120
And rather than grieving it, use
it as a political move. 

3073
02:24:23,120 --> 02:24:25,560
Like Allison just has to be 
committed. 

3074
02:24:25,560 --> 02:24:27,880
She just has to be committed to 
what's happening. 

3075
02:24:27,880 --> 02:24:29,520
If it's a lie, we fight on that 
lie. 

3076
02:24:30,840 --> 02:24:33,400
Here it is again. 
Yep, well said, Sean. 

3077
02:24:34,000 --> 02:24:36,440
All right, folks, that's nearly 
a wrap couple. 

3078
02:24:36,440 --> 02:24:40,040
One last thing I loved that 
Rainier also called egg on 

3079
02:24:40,040 --> 02:24:42,800
Feckless. 
That was perfect. 

3080
02:24:43,280 --> 02:24:46,040
She has the same word a day 
calendar that Otto had. 

3081
02:24:49,280 --> 02:24:51,560
Yeah, so they only have one word
a day, Calendar and Westeros, 

3082
02:24:52,680 --> 02:24:54,120
they don't have variations on it
yet. 

3083
02:24:54,400 --> 02:24:57,560
Yeah. 
I like Dig Me Smollett's comment

3084
02:24:57,560 --> 02:24:58,960
here. 
Yeah, OK, yeah, dig me 

3085
02:24:58,960 --> 02:25:00,880
Smollett's comment. 
Yeah, good point, lad. 

3086
02:25:00,880 --> 02:25:02,440
I wasn't going to skip that, 
they say. 

3087
02:25:02,440 --> 02:25:07,080
I thought Helena was forgiving 
Allison for some future act 

3088
02:25:07,280 --> 02:25:09,840
because I always assume Helena's
not in the present. 

3089
02:25:10,320 --> 02:25:13,360
I really liked that idea, that 
which makes me wonder, like, 

3090
02:25:13,360 --> 02:25:16,720
what awful thing could Allison 
do to Helena? 

3091
02:25:17,120 --> 02:25:20,680
I don't know. 
So real quick, Sean as well, the

3092
02:25:20,680 --> 02:25:23,680
whole like, what are you going 
to do about it thing like which 

3093
02:25:23,680 --> 02:25:25,960
we love from It's Always Sunny 
and like they bring that up. 

3094
02:25:25,960 --> 02:25:27,360
It's like, it's such a great 
thing to say. 

3095
02:25:27,360 --> 02:25:28,680
Like what do you do? 
And he's like, what are you 

3096
02:25:28,680 --> 02:25:30,240
going to do about it? 
Like, oh, just ends the 

3097
02:25:30,240 --> 02:25:32,240
conversation. 
In the trailer for the next 

3098
02:25:32,240 --> 02:25:35,360
episode, Aegon is yelling at 
Allison and she goes or what? 

3099
02:25:36,320 --> 02:25:38,720
And then it just cuts away like,
Oh yeah. 

3100
02:25:38,720 --> 02:25:42,800
So she realizes she can or what 
also like she's got or what 

3101
02:25:42,800 --> 02:25:45,440
power like do you have or what 
privileges can you or what your 

3102
02:25:45,440 --> 02:25:47,400
way out of this? 
Yeah, you can. 

3103
02:25:47,400 --> 02:25:48,080
Some people can't. 
Yeah. 

3104
02:25:48,080 --> 02:25:50,240
So she she might try to or what 
her way out of I don't know 

3105
02:25:50,240 --> 02:25:53,960
exactly what, but something. 
So anyway, exciting. 

3106
02:25:53,960 --> 02:25:55,520
We're not even halfway through 
the season. 

3107
02:25:56,040 --> 02:25:58,680
Things are going really well. 
We're building up to the the, 

3108
02:25:58,840 --> 02:26:02,040
the big payoff moments that will
be painful and exciting. 

3109
02:26:02,040 --> 02:26:04,320
And there'll be plenty more 
character work within that 

3110
02:26:04,320 --> 02:26:06,160
though too. 
More history, more locations, 

3111
02:26:06,160 --> 02:26:09,640
more fun. 
Thanks to all of you who support

3112
02:26:09,640 --> 02:26:13,400
us on Patreon or on Spotify as a
pledge there, or those of you 

3113
02:26:13,400 --> 02:26:16,240
who support us any of the other 
ways that you can access through

3114
02:26:16,240 --> 02:26:19,600
history of westeros.com. 
Thanks as well to Brand the 

3115
02:26:19,600 --> 02:26:24,240
Builder for our awesome intro. 
It looks so cool and has I love 

3116
02:26:24,240 --> 02:26:27,200
all those coins and those faces 
and those Dragons and that fire 

3117
02:26:27,200 --> 02:26:30,440
and that blood. 
On behalf of Ashea and Sean, we 

3118
02:26:30,440 --> 02:26:32,600
will see you next time and you 
know what to do. 

3119
02:26:32,960 --> 02:26:37,360
Till then, Valerie Reedus and 
Valerie rewatch us 

3120
02:26:55,440 --> 02:28:18,050
None. 
None.