A large number of characters have gone missing during A Song
of Ice and Fire, and in The Histories.
Missing is a word with a wide variety of meanings, though, and
we're going to try to apply as many of those definitions as
possible. Tyrek is an example of a
straightforward missing person, while Taisha is missing from the
narrative. Well, she's included, but we
haven't seen her on page. She's only been talked about,
thought about, etcetera. Whether it's a character whose
location we simply don't know because they're elusive like the
Blackfish, though we do have a general idea, or because we they
might be dead. Like Benjamin Stark, we also
have a general idea of where he is but needs to be narrowed down
quite a bit. Or both.
Like Stone Snake, who's also beyond the wall will cover the
details of their absence and their outlook in that regard.
As to whether they might be found, what that might mean for
the story. Some have run off on their own
accord, others may be seized against their will, and others
will, We're not really sure. There's also the matter of
characters that appear to be missing to other characters
within the story, even though we readers know where they are,
like Arya and Sansa and Rick, all the Starks, basically.
In fact, most of the major characters have been missing at
one point or another, and a lot of them still are.
So this episode is dedicated to those characters, large and
small, prominent and obscure, who have been on the pages but
don't have known locations or certain known locations, let
alone fates. We've got all that and more on
this episode of History of Westeros podcast.
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We've been really excited about the topics chosen so far.
This is no exception. This is a huge episode.
We have a 30 page document and the the downside of that is we
won't be able to focus on any particular character all that
much. But we'll be looking at a lot of
characters and going through quite a bit of comparisons
between some of them anyway. I won't spend too much time
saying what we're going to do. Let's just do it.
Thanks to our good friend Nina Good queen allie.tumblr.com, she
had a lot of thoughts on a lot of these characters.
Some of them are of course near and dear to her heart like they
are to mine, and a lot of Yar Yar's yaw's.
And of course that gives us means.
That means we have head cannon and theories on some of the ones
that we particularly are interested in or we thought
about a lot. So that'll be fun.
Unfortunately, what's not so fun is the episode dedication that
we'll make right now. I have some bad news for y'all.
We lost a great member of the community, Steven Atwell, past
of Cancer not too long ago. We're very sad.
He was an incredible contributor to the community and to other
fandoms and to social justice. He was a big believer in in
labor and getting jobs for everybody.
He's a professor and was well known for his academic writings.
Most of you maybe only know him for his Song of Ice and Fire
writings, but he's also was big in the X-Men fandom.
He had a podcast. His last episode released was on
X-Men 97, his last guest appearance.
Yeah, so you know, people thought, we thought he was doing
pretty well on his recovery, but well, that's cancer, Screw
cancer. So this episode's dedicated to
him and I am sure that he, his presence will live on in the
Song of Ice and Fire fandom because his writings are so
good. He's been in, what, 8 or 9
episodes? Eight.
OK, you counted. Thanks for counting.
I knew it was a lot. A lot of our black fire
rebellions. Here, that's the main one.
Huge. Portion of that.
Nearly every episode of the Black Fire series he's in and
his writings will be cited for decades, I'm sure of that.
Not just to the Song of Ice and Fire fandom, but his writings in
other places as well. He's a very, very talented
writer and his words will live on.
If you have questions for us, if you have missing characters that
we didn't think of, which is very not just possible but
likely because there's so many and because I said and we're
using a very broad definition of missing.
So yeah, it is wide open. I asked a lot of y'all to weigh
in ahead of time. I posted this in our Facebook
group and our Discord and I got a lot of great answers.
So you'll see that as we go through and at the end we'll
have a big list of episodes that relate to this one because we're
touching on so many different characters that shoots a lot of
tendrils and feelers in a lot of different directions.
So that creates a lot of crossover with with episodes
we've done in the past. Also at the end of this episode
is the answer to this trivia question, which is Rhaegar Frey
is the son of Aene's Frey and the younger brother of Aegon
Frey. What did Rhaegar Frey in turn
name his own first born son? If you recall, Rhaegar is the
one, one of the three phrase that went into a pie.
So I say is the son. I mean it was the son.
I guess he still is. But Ainis is also dead.
We don't know about this Aegon Frey though.
It's not Jingle Bell. And in fact this Aegon Frey will
be mentioned in this episode. So more on him later.
Like I said, some of these characters we'll discuss
briefly, a little, others more deeply.
Some will need an introduction because they're kind of obscure.
You may have forgotten who they are or maybe they have the same
name as someone else, like like that last one.
There's two Aegon phrase, right? So sometimes we'll need to sort
out who they are. Others are as major as you can
get, Like Arya, as I said, and Sansa, these are hidden, missing
characters. But so there are circumstances
we won't have as much to say about, but we'll still talk
about what they have in common and the purpose of their
missingness. Nina adds that one important
thing to keep in mind when we're trying to think about whether a
character who's gone missing is going to return, whether there's
a we have to think about the narrative purpose there.
It's not just we can go a little too far in thinking about this
as a living and breathing world, which is George has done such a
great job of making it feel that way, but it still is a story,
and we have to keep that in mind that it wouldn't necessarily
make sense for some of these characters to come back.
Now that said, we're not George. We don't have his imagination.
We don't always know what makes sense.
So we're going to be thorough with some caveat saying, well,
this character, we don't necessarily think they're going
to come back, but maybe we're wrong.
So what's cool and what makes sense is something we have to
kind of balance as we're going through this.
Let's start beyond the wall. Yeah, let's go right to Benjen.
Benjen is our first missing person.
He's one of the most prominent missing people, in fact.
Well, he's also like the first missing person.
Arguably, Waymar, Royce and Will and Garrett are considered
missing. But we know.
We know what happened to all three of them right away, right?
Garrett shows up South of the Wall in chapter one.
After the prologue, Ned executes him.
The kids find dire wolves. You all know that chapter.
John eventually looks forward to coexisting with Benjamin Stark.
He decides to take the black talks to Benjamin, tells him
he's ready to to join. But none of that ever happens,
right? John gets to the wall, says hey,
I want to go with you. And Benjamin's like, are you
kidding me? You have no experience.
All the men going with me have lots of experience.
Good for John that he didn't go, 'cause obviously Benjen doesn't
come back. Two of his companions return as
whites, and of course two more searches go out.
So Benjen was going on a search for Weymar, and then Darwin and
Hake both go on separate rangings to find him and fail.
And then the Great Ranging goes out to find him.
It's one of their goals. It's not the only goal of the
Great Ranging, but of course it doesn't accomplish that goal.
And as we discussed in our Craster episode, there's reason
to think Craster lied about Benjamin, about seeing him.
And that adds to the mystery, the possibility that that
Craster knows something. And you know, it's it's by the
way a little narrative trick there as well.
That twice. Or teased with the possibility
that John will have a close member of his family on the wall
with him. Right, Because Ned's also
supposed to take the black before Joffrey and and probably
Littlefinger. Screw that plan up.
So there's two different points at which it looks like John will
have a family member as his companion, and neither time does
it actually happen. All this is crucial to the early
set up, though. Interestingly, the the Night's
Watch plot kind of stays on its own.
It's it's separated from all the other ones.
Even when John tries to go join them in, the Sally doesn't get
very far, so it's not really that connected.
But then it just becomes suddenly connected to everything
when Stannis just appears at the end of A Storm of Swords and
it's like, whoa, all right, this just became a very much a part
of of the War of 5 Kings. He's so he's Benjen, an example
of a character who's both missing to us and the characters
in World. And he's been missing.
And this has been true for the entire length of the series,
minus the very first few chapters.
And it's really hard to believe this will never be resolved.
But it's also difficult to imagine that he's alive, and I
put that in quotes because what exactly does alive mean?
Well, I I don't mean a normal functioning human anymore.
He could be walking around as undead.
Some version of cold hands, but not cold hands of course.
But it's yeah, it's been three years.
Like you may you all may not have put that together the
actual length of time that he's been missing.
So that's a lot, a long time. It's not impossible that he's
alive, but jeez, 3 years beyond the wall without any word from
him, it doesn't look good. Like, wouldn't he have sent
word? Wouldn't he have come back and
said, hey, I found something, Why is he still out there if
he's not inhibited or alive? You know that these are tough
questions to answer, Nina says. I fully believe he'll return, in
part because John's biological parentage is an issue here.
He might have answers there. He had a strong relationship
with Liana. There was someone who may have
helped her bend OR break the rules because she was kind of
all about breaking rules and and and going outside the drawing,
outside the lines. Whereas Ned not so much, which
is a clue to Benjen. When Ned comes home with a child
that he claims is his bastard, well, I mean we're assuming he
didn't tell Benjen the truth, which is a pretty safe
assumption he never told Catelyn.
It's possible. He told, since Leon is his
sister. And that's a different thing.
But regardless, Benjin's not going to believe it.
He's not going to be like, Oh yeah, my brother Ned Stark, the
one who's believed, you know, follows the rules.
Is he really going to have a bastard?
I mean, we don't really think that's a fit for his
personality. Yeah, and it's so true.
Like this is just a there's too many blatant things that
Benjamin. We got to put ourselves in
Benjamin's shoes. He knows what what, what his
brothers like, so you know. Also, there's a chance Benjamin
was the one who left that Obsidian at the first of the
first men. So yeah, that's an important
point. Our next character is one of
Corin's group, Another Ranger, another one lost beyond the
wall. Stone snake.
This was a popular answer when I asked people what missing
characters you'd like to see us talk about.
The reason he becomes missing is his horse dies, he's with the
rest of the group, with Corin and John and all them, and his
horse breaks his leg. They have to kill it and use it
for food, and he can't keep up with them.
Without his horse, there's just no way.
And he first he volunteers to ambush them.
He's like, well, I'm doomed, so why don't I take a few of them
out and give you guys some more time?
But this is what Corin says in response.
If any man in the Nights Watch can make it through the Frost
Fangs alone and afoot, it is you, brother.
You can go over mountains that a horse must go around.
Make for the first. Tell Mormont what John saw and
how. Tell him that the old powers are
waking, that he faces giants and wargs and worse, tell him that
the trees have eyes again now. You might think this is just
Corin giving him a confidence boost, like pumping him up
saying look no, you have a chance, but it doesn't seem like
that's how they behave. These guys are hard and honest
and don't mince words or soften truths.
Consider Squire Dalbridge is left behind to stay and hold the
pass. He does volunteer to stay, or
they volunteer him and he's he's like, Yep, I'm the right man for
the job. It wasn't a futile gesture.
It did buy them time, so we had another example of one of them
sacrificing themselves. However, Corn didn't think Stone
Snake should do it. He thought actually this guy has
a chance to survive. It wasn't futile, so of course
it's not a sure thing that he survived, but again, it wasn't
like a shot in the dark. There's a legit chance he could
make it. John, however, as Stone Snake is
leaving, thinks he has no chance.
So maybe I'm wrong. But John, that's his first
ranging. He doesn't really know.
I mean, maybe he's just fatalistic about that.
Now think about this. It says go to the Fist.
Corn tells him to go to the fist.
If he went to the fist, well that might have gone poorly
given all the whites that were there, but he managed.
He might have managed to like see that you know, scouted out
and be like whoa, I better avoid this area.
Perhaps everything had already moved on.
Maybe the battle had already happened and there's no whites,
nothing there. Now he would get there to the
fifth of the first men in this scenario and see no bodies
because the all the dead Rangers would have been raised again as
whites and of course the whites that were slain would have maybe
been re raised. Not clear about that part.
But yeah, it seems like they would have just picked back up
again. Or I don't know.
Bottom line is he would see evidence of a battle and and
very few bodies or just somebody parts maybe.
No whole bodies. And that would be chilling.
That would be like, Oh my God and, well, wouldn't he?
Wouldn't we have seen him by now like Benjin.
It's like, well, why hasn't he come back now?
He hasn't been lost nearly as long as Benjin, but it's a long
time and he's been lost. But would we would we know if he
came back? He's not a Castle Black Ranger.
If he had come to Castle Black, yeah, we'd have known that that
would have been announced. But Corin and his group were
from the Shadow Tower. So if he had gone back, he might
have gone back to the Shadow Tower, which we wouldn't
necessarily know that, right? He could have shown up there and
they wouldn't necessarily send a letter to Castle Blacks like,
hey, by the way, Stone Snake came back.
They might have, they might have communicated that because he
might have had things to say, but it's not a sure thing.
And yeah, and they're very remote.
Does this the Shadow Tower men, I think they're the toughest of
the Rangers of the Nights Watch because of their location is so
remote and dangerous. And it's the oldest part of the
north, right? So it's like the most, I don't
know, dark and supernatural potentially.
There's more cannibals over there, the the tribes that we
know less about. It's just it seems harder.
So not only is he a great climber, but John says
internally he's never known a man with better night vision.
Furthermore, Rattleshirt tells Mintz in front of John, right
they're talking about who John was with and all this other
business about Corin and and who died and all that, he says.
One of the Rangers they had been pursuing got away by climbing up
into a place they couldn't follow.
Clearly that's Stonesnake. There's no other person that
could have been. So Rattleshirt's people did not
catch Stonesnake. There's no they explicitly say
they couldn't get him. That's a good sign.
When John is climbing the wall. Later, as part of a Grit and the
Magnar Venz raiding party, he thinks of Stone Snake.
Again, this is a whole book. Later, he's like, this is tough.
This climbing stuff makes him think of Stone Stone Snake,
right? So even though he's arguably
vastly less important to the narrative than Benjin Stark,
there are good reasons to believe his chance of survival
is greater than Benjin's. He's a better survivalist,
probably, and he's a better climber.
We've got word of him more recently.
You know, we don't have the whole.
Well, he would have come back to Castle Black part.
Now there's the caveat that characters beyond the wall have
other ways of returning, you know, like as walking corpses or
something to that matter. So I'm talking about returning
alive. This is good.
This could be a good example of George's gardening style, even
though gardens aren't so popular beyond the wall.
Ha ha. I mean that George might decide
he has a reason for a stone snake to be alive or worth
bringing back in the story. He might not have fully fleshed
out what that purpose was when he had Stone Snake run off.
It's cost him a few paragraphs to describe this character,
leaving to follow up on him once or twice, and that's it.
It's just a few sentences, a few lines of dialogue.
That's it. It's not.
It doesn't burden the narrative to keep him, you know, in our
minds just a little bit. And that little bit has done a
lot of work, hasn't it? We've he's like I said, he was
one of the most popular characters for this episode.
So George may not have decided what the full purpose of Stone
Snake was when he had him run off and and survive.
He might be like, well now, but later he might be like, OK, this
is a good chance to bring Stone Snake in for whatever reason
that might be. He's witnessed something beyond
the wall he has. Well, that's probably something
like that is he's witnessed something but or maybe he just
wants to bring him back because we would cheer for that.
We would be like it'd be a good thing to give to us readers like
a a shot in the arm for like so many tragedies are happening.
He's like, hey, but Stone Snake is back.
All right, cool. That's one win.
Nina points out that it's worth noting that in every subsequent
appendix, Stone Snake is specifically listed as not being
dead, whereas Squire, Dalbridge, and Egan are specifically listed
as dead. She sees Stone Snake as a
potential POV character for a prologue for A Dream of Spring,
which I would say means she thinks he's going to die.
Pretty much all the prologues. What have you done, Nina?
Death you've. Consigned him to death.
Dang it. No.
Well, that's that would be better than him being already
dead. But no, that's true.
Maybe George will twist that narrow.
We've talked about the possibility of him using that as
a breaking that pattern. He set us up to think, oh, all
these characters are going to die and then one of them
doesn't. And it's like, oh, isn't that
nice. So I'm holding out hope for
that. So if if Stone Snake
specifically lands and actually I'm probably going to root for
whatever character is in the prologue to be like, maybe this
one won't die, maybe this one, it'll be like it'll be like
watching, rereading the the Oberyn and the mountains.
Like this time he'll this time he won't screw.
It up, the final one would be the one that makes sense to
break the pattern. Dream of Spring, It's.
Everything's a little bit more positive.
You know if he breaks the pattern into wins a winner and
then we'll then we'll really be wondering like the last one will
be like is he going back or is this the new pattern?
What's it going to be? Yeah.
Either way I'm. I'm very curious.
So like that moving on more nights watch characters.
That's right. We're staying beyond the wall
we're we're sort of regional with this episode we're going to
kind of stick to certain areas although that gets tricky
because we don't if you don't know where someone is, what
area, what region can we say they're in, right.
We don't know. But in this case, we're pretty
darn sure we're talking to me now about Alistair Thorne,
Darwin and Keg. White Eye.
Darwin and Keg are experienced Rangers.
Alistair Thorne is not, Although he is an experienced fighter
and, you know, experienced guy, he just hasn't gone beyond the
wall until now. Alistair Thorne is an
interesting piece of the narrative because he's John's
first enemy, unless you count Catelyn, which you might.
But Alistair is specifically like the last sentence of a of
a. One of John's chapters is that,
you know what he said in the acid tones of an enemy, you
know. So it's a small, it's a small
start. Like Arya's worried about SEPTA
Mordane and things like that, where the challenges grow a lot
larger really quickly. John's bigger enemies, of
course, are the undead, but in this case, you know, Alistair
Thorne, Darwin, and Kedge all might become undeads.
So yeah, that might be right down the middle.
Thorne is of course a former master at arms for Castle Black
and he was in opposition to the Starks.
He was a Targaryen loyalist. He stayed loyal to Ares, so that
is part of the reason why they had these problems in the 1st
place before Mormont sent Thorne S though then he was.
This is how he of course he took care of the issues between him
and John. And then when he came back, he
was still John's enemy, but as a subordinate to Jano Slint rather
than as the main antagonist, right up until Slint lost his
head for blatantly disobeying orders.
Thorne claims John is sending him out to die by sending him on
a ranging when he has so little ranging experience, and I don't
think that's the case. I don't think he wants him to
die, but it might be punitive. There are definitely more
experienced many could have sent, and that's who he did send
to lead the raging parties. It's not like these men, like I
said, he's he's it's not designed to fail, but it was a
curious choice to send Alistair out there and it did feel maybe
a little bit vindictive or or something.
Anyway, Darwin is the one who can smell cold and has wooden
teeth. Can he smell crime?
He can smell crime.
He goes searching for Benjen as well, like hake, but at least he
returns. And this is notable because he's
very good. He is perhaps the best tracker
in the Night's Watch, Chet when he's getting ready to pull his
murder escape thing in the prologue of A Storm of Swords.
He specifically thinks they have to kill Daiwin because he's one
of the guys that will will catch them.
They'll send Daiwin after them and and Daiwin's too talented at
at tracking, so they got to kill the guy that's going to find
them. And he's a experienced veteran.
He knows almost everyone on the wall, which is an interesting
factor like of a guy who's been around and knows everyone.
So we're curious how that's going to resolve.
We don't know where he's at, where he's at.
He's out there beyond the wall and so far hasn't returned Cadge
wide eye similar. He's also a very experienced
Ranger probably not as talented as Darwin and not a good leader
because he doesn't get along with anyone.
He's just like a misanthrope basically he's his his eyes are
described, one is white and one is mean and he's a really,
really good Ranger. They they describe him that
because he just this isn't easy to get along with the guy that
you want on your side but maybe you don't want to hang out with
him afterwards but still so that.
Remember what happened was John sent out three groups of three
going to Dance with Dragons. One of those is the group of
three that are caught and killed by the Weeper with their eyes
gouged out, and Melisandre has a dream of them.
She sees the the weeping eye sockets and all that.
Unfortunately, that was Blackjack Bulwer, who was very
briefly the the new 1st Ranger. I don't even think a new First
Ranger has been appointed, but that's that's a beside the point
right now. And Melisandre has not seen the
fates of the other two groups of three.
John specifically asked her to read the flames, try to find out
what happened to those other six.
She doesn't see it, so we don't know or even she doesn't have an
answer. So remember, Darwin has Alistair
and one other guy and Kedge has two other guys.
So there's three other people that are in those two groups.
We don't even know their names, but they are, they'd be
considered missing too. Alistair has quite a line for
John quote. You'd best pray that it's a
wildling blade that kills me, though the ones the others kill
don't stay dead and they remember I'm coming back.
Lord Snow. Well, if he does, he won't be
missing anymore, right? And to make it a little more
ominous, all three of these groups were sent with Ravens.
As far as we know, none of the Ravens have come back.
This isn't like Victorian where he didn't send Ravens back out
of spite to make his brother wonder right.
He had Ravens and just like Nah, I don't send them.
Alistair might do that sort of thing but he's not in charge of
the ranging so it's not his call.
I really doubt that Kej or or Daiwin would be like, Nah, let's
not send Ravens back. So it's bad that we haven't
heard. Now if we were going even
farther with this, like I said, this is a 30 page document for
this episode so we've got a lot of characters to cover.
We really could dig deeper and probably name more Free Folk and
Nights Watch that are missing or that we just haven't heard from
in a while. Like those giants and mammoths
that are headed to East Watch. We we mentioned them in the Hard
Home episode. For all we know they made it
there, no problem, and are now on the other side of the wall.
But maybe they are now dead and in the army of the others.
Almost everyone involved in Hard Home could be considered missing
in a sense, at least right now 'cause we don't have an update
on a very quickly developing situation.
So yeah, let's not get too bogged down on on we have to
draw the line somewhere and what?
What? What's missing?
A character that's been mentioned a few times that we've
never met is Conway. Wait, Conway?
That name is vaguely familiar. Who is that?
He? He's not actually beyond the
wall. He is a member of the Night's
Watch and I'm very curious about him.
He's Joran's equivalent, another recruiter, basically.
There were two recruiters at the start of the story and Joran and
Conway are the two. But we've only seen Joran and we
saw him a lot before his passing and and never seen Conway.
So he's all the more missing. He's missing from our minds and
memories, Missing from the page. That's true.
He sure is. He's brought up, you know, semi
regularly because even in A Dance With Dragons he's
mentioned because some of his recruits are there, like, oh,
this was recruited, got by Conway.
This guy came because of Conway. So he's still bringing people to
the watch at a time when they are desperate for for manpower.
Recruiting could take on a different meaning if the wall
falls or if the other others get through it, which is maybe part
of why George created this character and he's like, well,
there wouldn't just be 1 recruiter, maybe he just thought
of having more than two, but he clearly had plans for Yarin and
and might have plans for Conway. Remember as well, Yarin was
replaced by Darian, who also went missing, though we know
exactly where he went to right into the canal.
And the Faceless Men knew about that too.
But apparently that's it. Only the Faceless Men and are.
You know what happened to Darien.
I'm very curious to see what type of recruiting, what nights
watch recruiting looks like when things get a lot worse in the
North. Whether it gets more difficult,
whether more people are willing to sign up to go fight for
humanity or whether it's just a the fight war, The war in the
South is just takes over everything and people just don't
go north because the war in the South is just all-encompassing.
So there's really a lot of ways it can go.
Yeah, well my question is just do people really need to join
the Night Squatch in order to fight this, you know, life
threatening? Thing.
That's a good point. Like a lot of the free folk
don't actually join, they just. They're still effectively
they're fighting alongside. So I think a lot of the people,
the Southern people, they won't need to be recruited, they won't
need to join up because they're just going to have to fight.
Yeah, it's more like it's less of a recruitment for the nights
watch, less of it's recruitment to come help just we need the
North needs you, not necessarily the watch needs you.
Some people might take the black.
Some people might be like, yeah, let's just go fight and not
join. Yeah, that that's a good point.
Like in the show, we saw lots of examples of that, and I assume
that we'll see some examples, if not lots in the book as well.
Let's move on to brand and company.
Like I said, every Stark is going to be mentioned today
because all of them are scattered and in various forms
of hiding, if not straight up missing.
Most people think Brandon Ricken were killed by Theon, so they're
not actually thinking about them.
They're like they're not missing, they're dead.
But there are people who know they're alive, not just us
readers. Considering that their lives are
in danger, they have allowed this rumor to perpetuate as much
as they're like, yeah, it's good that people think we're dead for
now. We don't want them hunting us.
And amongst the people who are hunting them, of course, are
people who do know like the Boltons, Theon himself, and that
Lord Little they encountered in that cave that gave them some
oat cakes and and Bran promised to repay him later, you know,
and that Little might have told some other trusted people.
You know, that's it's a part of the Great Northern Conspiracy
that actually a lot of people know Brandon Rickon are alive
because of this little and well. Nina points out that obviously
knowing someone was alive at one point, as in during A Storm of
Swords, does not necessarily mean that that person believes
that person's alive right now. Yeah, Bran was out in the
wilderness without adult supervision.
They I mean, realistically, they a lot of people who thought he
was alive are like, he's probably dead.
A lot of them probably think that.
Even if he wasn't dead the first, I was like, well, maybe
he isn't now. You know, you still haven't
heard from him in all this time. It's like, where could he be,
you know? And he's only going to return
when he has to. No one's going to find him,
right? No one's going to find him.
He's going to return when either events or his choice guides him
back to South of the Wall and, you know, announces his return.
You know, he's currently taking a full course load at Greens
Here University. He doesn't have time to, you
know, come home or let people know he's alive.
It's dangerous. So, yeah.
And he's not alone, though, right?
Mira and Jojen, they're with him Now.
Remember, Sam also knows he's alive and that's even more
recent than some of the other people who saw him alive.
So there's a decent number of people that know he's alive and
could talk and and of course Rickon and Ocean know, you know
they split a while ago. They're a good example of
someone that knew that Bran survived the event that everyone
else thought he was killed in at Winterfell by Theon but they
haven't followed up in so long. Like Ashaya pointed out, it's
like, well, Rickon doesn't know his brother's still alive,
although he might thanks to skin changing war game and the dreams
and all that. Like Rickon knew his father was
dead right before Maester Lewin got the letter and and Bran had
that same dream so and John had that one dream at the beginning
of A Dance with Dragons where he's inside Shaggy Dog and
Shaggy Dog is aware of the other wolves when he's in Shaggy Dog's
brain. So there's a good reason to
think that apart from Sansa, the Starks kind of have a sense that
the others are alive and this is where John is included.
Whereas sometimes he's not because John's not missing.
John's the only one who's not missing.
He's, he's, he's certainly, his fate is certainly up in the air,
but he's not missing. So Brandon Rickon and we'll come
back to Rickon. But Brandon, yeah, he's, he's
literally not out of the woods yet.
But it'll be super interesting when he reannounces himself and
it'll be part of the Stark succession and the war for the
dawn and a lot of big events that are that are still yet to
come. But yeah, he's definitely
considered missing. Let's go.
Let's continue in the north and continue with another Stark.
But before we talk about Rickon and OSHA and Shaggy, let's let's
look at something real quickly that's small.
Like George once said, we're back in the day when people were
asking him questions. Like, this is really early on.
Like back when George would respond directly to fan mail, he
once said there's probably some Stark cousins out there
somewhere. You know, they don't.
They're no longer Winterfell Starks.
They could eventually trace their like, if you go back far
enough, they could trace their ancestry to Winterfell.
All Starks trace back to Winterfell.
But maybe they haven't been Winterfell Starks in many
generations. You know, there's other lines
out there, so we don't know who any of these people are.
George may have decided actually there isn't because he didn't
say probably. He didn't say definitely.
He he he gave himself some room to to change his mind on that.
I don't know how that would come up.
Maybe it's relevant to end game stuff, a dream of spring stuff.
If y'all have thoughts on that, certainly let us know.
But it was worth a mention because they're definitely
missing there. We haven't seen them or heard
from them and this is something that George said.
Those car Starks. Yeah, they're that's who they
are. They're car Starks.
Yeah, and there are some missing Car Starks out there too.
Like we said in our episode last week on House Car Stark, there's
several like grandsons of of of Arnolf and who were probably
sons of Kragen. And we don't know their names,
but they're there and we're not sure where they are.
They're somewhere in the North. So yeah, Rick and OSHA and and
Shaggy Dog, we know roughly where they are, Skagos.
But really only a few characters in the story know that.
And again, like because other case is kind of missing in a
sense very similar to his brothers and sisters.
It is very worth pointing out that none of the conspirators or
factions aiming to restore a Stark to Winterfell are aware of
any of the other plots to restore the other Starks.
Littlefinger, for example, believes that Sansa is the only
legitimate Stark left who Iman Manderly believes that Ricken is
the only legitimate Stark left. Stark's son left Galbart and
Mage believe that Brand, Rickon and Arya are dead and Rob named
John as his heir, and this may come into play if various Stark
factions start moving through White Harbor and hear about the
others doing the same, including Rickon with Davos.
This is one of those things where it's incredibly hard to
figure out what's going to happen because who's going to
find out what first? The order of knowledge
disseminating through these various parties is impossible to
predict, and it determines so much of what they will do.
So let's just say, let's just leave it at that and say there's
so much happening at the wall and in the north all at once Can
and those two plot and these plot lines are tied to each
other with all their various subplots.
Yeah. So it's impossible.
But we love to draw attention to it because it's great.
Like we we have all poured over this material so much and
there's some things that are just nearly impossible to
predict. And that's that's a good job by
George because there's some things that we we think we have
figured out. Maybe we'll be wrong on some of
them. Surely we will be wrong on some
of them and and we'll be right on a lot of others.
But this one, we hardly even try to make guesses because it's
like, who's going to come first? Who's going to learn what first
Rick. Is Rick in going to be
discovered and immediately tell Davos.
Actually, I'm not the heir. My older brother is.
He's alive, you know, I saw him in my dreams.
Are they going to believe him, 'cause he's five years old or
six years old, whatever he is now I'm like, listen, crazy
little boy, we don't know where your brother is.
Are you sure? He's a lot.
I mean, yeah, I don't know. There's so many weird things
that could happen there. Honorable mention to Davos too.
Who is, you know, trying to find Rick in?
And OSHA and Shaggy. He's not missing, but he is
presumed dead by his own king thanks to Manderley's Rouge.
So there's a possibility of a very fun reunion with Stannis
and Davos again, right? Stannis already thought Davos
was dead once on the Battle of the Blackwater.
In fact, T Wow has the potential to showcase a lot of reunions.
Starks with other Starks, Stannis with Davos, OSHA coming
back, you know? Well, we'll see.
Other examples throughout this episode 'cause this is really
the topic we're dealing with, people who are missing and the
possibility that they'll become unmissing with Ricken and Tow
and with Davos. It's like meta undead, right?
Like they're not really undead, but it's a bunch of people
Stannis and his subordinates thought were dead, all coming
back at once. Like, oh, Ricken and Davos.
What? That's crazy.
But it's also possible Stannis just dies before getting to see
Davos again. That would be kind of a bummer.
I would like to see that reunion.
There's also some Lysenti ships that ran aground on Skein, which
is the island next to Scagos. This is, according to Cotter
Pike's letter to John, right? So this is, this is something we
talked about in the Hard Home episode.
It's entirely possible these sailors will communicate with
Davos when he's on Scagos. Remember we told Davos to pack
his Bagos for Scagos way back on Valor Rubidis.
But he may have some unexpected company there, and the that's
how information from what's happening beyond the Wall at
Hardhome could pass on to some of Stannis's people.
Let's talk about Old Nan and the Winterfell captives.
An uncomfortable subject, easy to miss as well.
Because of how briefly it's mentioned, it's not pleasant to
think about the survivors. Mostly women, if not entirely
women, are marched to the Dread Fort now.
This is just like Rob thinking he has to warn Roose Bolton
about the Karstark men in his army and how it's really he's
the one in danger. Catelyn is told by Roose that
his son Ramsay has led the surviving women and children
there. It's meant to comfort her.
And she's like, oh, that's good. No, it's not.
It's not good at all. It's terrible.
It's horrible. Bran is is worried about old Dan
and some of the others, you know, 'cause they're down in the
crypt and hiding. And when they finally emerge,
like, huh, there's no, there's no dead bodies of women here.
It's all men. So they noticed that the women
are missing and are able to at least think about that for a
minute and make some assumptions.
Theon as well, who was there, thinks she's probably dead.
And he has this thought in the Dread Fork Dungeons.
It's an assumption, not something he knows for certain,
but sad to say, he's heard a lot of women screaming while he's
down in the dungeons. There's no, we don't.
We're not sure these are the Winterfell women that he hears
screaming, but it's probably the case.
We do have one example that definitely is.
If Y'all recall, Theon has this memory in his chapter of of
Ramsay giving him a false escape.
The show actually put this on screen, but in the book it's
just something in his memory and it includes this girl, Kyra.
Kyra was a girl who worked at the Smoking Log at the Winter
Town. She was a barmaid, and when
Theon took Winterfell, he took Kyra as his mistress and treated
her terribly of course. And then Ramsay asked for her
when he showed up. He's like I want my reward.
I want Kyra. And Theon was like oh you can't
have her you how dare you and you know being stupid like he is
and and that's when Ramsay smashes him in the face and he
goes unconscious. So Kyra's the girl that shows up
with the keys in the book version of this saying, hey, we
can escape and and they run off together.
And Kyra is killed as part of this hunt.
And adult one, Ramsay names one of his dogs after her.
So she's definitely dead. But she's an example of the
women at Winterfell that were taken.
And she's if she was there, then the others are probably there
too. Still there and and bad
straights right now. You know, one small mercy might
be that both Ruce and Ramsay are away from the dread Fort and
have been since the first chapter of A Dance with Dragons.
And they may never return. I mean, we can hope they never
return. Something's going to happen with
the dread fork 'cause if those two both die, which seems not
unlikely by the end of the series.
They don't exactly have airs. There's no other Boltons out
there. So we'll have the dread fork's
going to have to be sorted out one way or another.
And that might be when we get an update on these folk.
I doubt all of them are dead. They know some things.
They were witness to the fall of Winterfell.
And it would be nice for some of them to survive and have a happy
ending. They could learn that Brandon,
Rick and are still alive. That'd be nice for them to to to
hear that, assuming they still are by the time this happens.
There's also survivors from Ramsey's attack on Sir Roderick
and Clay Serwin, so there might be other people out there that
that were witness to all this. Another thing to consider though
is that the Dreadford is farther north than Winterfell, and with
the both of Bolton's fallen, by the time the others come, there
may not be any leadership to hold the place.
It may just be completely overrun and that would be a bad
fate for all those women down there in the dungeons.
So yeah, we don't know what's going on.
There's no POV at the Dreadford, no reason to suspect there will
be 1. So this is something we would
have to hear about off page. Or maybe they show up back at
Winterfell and talk about their ordeal.
I'm not really sure, but it's grim.
But there's some hope. Anyway, that's the the survivors
of Winterfell. Just cross your fingers for them
and not the Bolton Cross. Different kind of cross.
Let's talk about Hal Mullen, AKA Captain Obvious.
He became captain of Ned's guard after the death of Jory Cassell.
He's a penchant for stating the obvious, hence his nickname.
He says a lot of very it's it's hilarious, actually.
He's a he's a bit of comedic relief in a story that's pretty
dark. He is set N with Ned's bones,
sort of the honor of being the captain of the guard.
You get to guard him in death as well, but of course he hasn't
been seen and of course Ned was killed in the first book, so
there's been quite a while for Captain Obvious to have made his
way N but he has not appeared. He goes with three men, Quent,
Jax and Shad, which are not important people, but it's a
good example of just how much depth and detail George gives to
all characters don't even matter.
Like Quent. It's not the only time he
appears, he's one of the guys that wanders off with Theon in
the forest scene to chase a Turkey and then Bran gets
attacked. So he he failed to guard Bran.
And then we have Jax, who was with Ned when he discovers
Gendry. And then we have Shad who
multiple times show shows up as a cook like he's with Catelyn
when she goes S to treat with Renly.
So these are characters that aren't just one scene
characters. They're not important.
But if you happen to encounter a guy named Quint or Jax or Shad
in the neck or in the North, think of this moment be like
actually we might should know who this is.
This is a character that was with Captain Obvious and knows
things might know about where Ned's bones are, so he clearly
couldn't go to Winterfell. Like by the time he could have
even gotten through the neck, Winterfell had been sacked.
So he would have paused his journey and maybe even like,
well, where do I go? What do I do?
And he might just be hanging out in the neck with Helen Reed with
some other characters that we'll mention in a minute.
But he might be the hooded man that speaks to Theon and calls
him Theon turn cloak is that you know he and he says kind of
captain obviously things That's why the theory is that that's
him. But I don't really think so,
because Theon should recognize Hal Mullen.
He was a, you know, important figure at Winterfell that lived
there his whole life. And Theon lived at Winterfell
for like 10 or 12 years, so he would recognize Hal Mullen.
So I don't think that's him, but it might be because Theon's been
through some stuff and the guy had his hood down, you know,
Maybe he didn't see his face that clearly.
It was snowing. It was dark.
He didn't have to see his face. So regardless if that's the if
the hooded man in Winterfell is Hal Mullen, we have every reason
to believe he's still alive. Remember, Lady Dustin says she's
got watchers waiting for Ned's bones.
She wants to destroy those bones to feed them to her dogs.
She said that in The Dance of Dragons.
Three books. Well, two books after, I guess
he goes north in in The Storm of Swords.
I think. Either way, it's been a long
time and he hasn't shown up yet. He's had enough time, so he's
waiting. He's holding back, and maybe
eventually Ned's bones will be laid to rest without
interference by Dustin's or otherwise Maige Mormont and
Galbart Glover. We covered them quite a bit in
the Rob's Will episode. They were ordered to go there by
Rob and to help attack Note Kaylin.
But then the Red Wedding happened before that could
happen. So they're like, what do we do
now? Remember, Galbart is a Lord.
He's Lord of Deepwood Mott. His brother, Robot is helping
Stannis. Robot's wife and children aren't
missing, but they are hostages on the Iron Islands and they're
Asha's hostages. And Asha herself is a captive of
Stannis, so that's all that's this could be the way that all
gets resolved. Mage is the Lady of Bear Island
too, so they're both rulers. And her daughter Daisy was one
of those killed at the Red Wedding, so she is has reason
for revenge. Not that the entire N doesn't
have reason for revenge for the Red Wedding, but it's it's more
personal to her than it might be to to most of the others.
Now here's where there's another potential missing person or
persons, the father to her children whose nage was husband.
They joke or jokes. Is it really a joke that it was
a bear? And it's actually Alice Ann, her
daughter, who makes that joke. And Alice Ann says the same
thing about her kids. So it's like all it's just the
Mormont women cover story. Yeah, we all sleep with bears.
That's so. But.
But still they're missing from the narrative.
Like who are these? Who are these men that fathered
these Mormont women? We've never met them or heard of
them, or we have no inkling whatsoever.
Alice and Mormont also tells Asha that Mage is with two of
her other daughters, which are her Alice and sisters, Lyra and
Jory. Yes, Jory is a girl, it's Jor
El, but doesn't say where. But we can be pretty sure it's
not Bear Island because it was Liana Mormont who answered
Stannis's letter. And Liana Mormont is the younger
sister of Lyra and Jory, so we don't know if Liana knows if her
mother's in the neck either. So some of the Mormont might
know, might not know where Mage is, or maybe they communicated.
So there's a lot of like Mormons not knowing where Mormons are,
or do they? Not to mention Jorah being way
off in exile. They know he's in exile
somewhere in Essos, but they have no idea where.
I don't know if they consider him missing, but they definitely
don't know where he is. So the person that is probably
running the show here in the neck, the guy that has the
castle, where maybe all these people are hanging out, meaning
Mage Mormont, Galbar, Glover, Captain Obvious with his squad,
Ned's bones, maybe some other people.
Alan Reed, he's missing too. Not that we don't know where he
is, We're pretty sure we know exactly where he is, except for
that problem being that his castle moves.
So maybe exactly isn't the right word to use here, but we have a
general idea and it's very interesting that he has not
appeared in the narrative yet. He's missing in that.
Why haven't we seen him yet? Why don't we know more about
him? George is clearly holding back
for reasons. Literary reasons, narrative
reasons, POV reasons. Who knows?
I mean, we we don't have. There's no automatic reason.
We would have seen him by now. But he's also just like a lot of
Ned's memories, they're very compartmentalized.
He doesn't think about Lyanna. He doesn't think about Howland
all that much. Like they're barely in his
thoughts. There's some way we could have
maybe learned more about Howland, the one guy who knew
him best, but he just doesn't think about him.
So yeah, and he's probably wondering about his children,
right? He heard about the sack of
Winterfell. He may have learned that the
sack was false, not false, but that the deaths of Brandon
Ricken were false, which might take away some of the anxiety of
wondering where his kids are. He might be wondering if they're
alive. He may not.
He may be in the dark about what
happened to Jojen and Mira and who knows what else he knows or
doesn't know, but we will meet Helen Reid eventually, so that
is something George said. He said it multiple times that
Helen Reid will eventually come to the narrative.
So for now he's missing. We know he's coming, we don't
know when, but it's going to be awesome, like when Helen shows
up. I mean how think about your put
yourself in this position, like picture that you're reading.
Let's say it's a, A, a the win's a winner.
That how it appears you're reading the book and all of a
sudden there he is, There's Alan Reed.
He's on the page, he's in the he's saying things.
That's going to be so amazing how we haven't seen this guy
ever and we've been hearing about him since 1996.
Maybe not all of y'all have been hearing about him that long, but
that's how long we've been hearing about Alan Reed as a
collective fandom without ever seeing him on page, only having
a few direct quotes from him based on things that that we've
been told he's said. But boy will that be a big one.
Talk about a character we've been waiting on for a long time.
Let's talk about the Riverlands. Melissa Blackwood, historical
figure, the mother of Bloodraven, who by the way went
missing from the perspective of Westeros history.
But you know, they haven't really been looking for him.
He vanished beyond the wall. We know where he ended up in The
Cave. Sure, Surely we want to know
more about that story, how that all went down.
But I wouldn't say he's, he's not really missing any more from
from the point of view of characters in the story he was
when he went missing. I'm sure they looked for him
well. And when we do see him well, he
doesn't have Benjin with him. Benjin's not in that cave.
That's one place that Benjin isn't.
He also doesn't tell us the tale of his mother and sisters.
I don't know why he would. He's got other, bigger
priorities then you don't like. Bran's asking him questions
about his past. But Melissa, then?
In her case, we're simply missing a lot of detail.
It's it's more about fleshing out the story rather than
thinking she was lost, you know, There's a statue of her at Raven
Tree Hall in the Godswood. In the Godswood.
That's an interesting place for it.
The thing is after she sent home due to court scandals and you
know, maybe the brackens getting an egg on the unworthy ear, she
sent home and we never hear about her again.
And she wasn't like old, you know, by any means and she was
the most popular of egg on the force mistresses.
It was a run of people that were.
I'll chosen. Like he didn't have good taste
in women because he's a bad dude, so he picks bad people for
the most part, right? But Melissa was an exception.
She was friends with nerys. She was friends with AIM and the
Dragon Knight. Like people like that's crazy,
right? The person who's husband, your
husband is cheating on you with this guy or this woman and you
you're friends with her because she's so nice and friendly and
everybody liked her. So there's a lot of missing
characters there. There's several other like Great
Bastards that aren't. Arguably they're not called
Great Bastards, but really, technically everyone that was
legitimized by Egg on the 4th is a Great Bastard.
They just aren't really considered great because they
don't do anything. You know Bitter Steel, Sierra
and. Middling bastards, Yeah, they're
middling bastards. That's.
A good one. So our best guess is Melissa
died relatively early. Maybe that's why she got a
statue, is a little more remembered, was more of a tragic
figure, So popular. And you know, that's that's what
happens when you die too. Young people are more sad about
it. You know, you live didn't have a
life that you deserved. So yeah, there's there's other
characters in this vein that we're going to bring up later.
But two that we're going to bring up right now, Glenys and
Mia Bloodraven's sisters, they're both older than him.
They were legitimized too, right?
Melissa and King Aegon had these two daughters and we don't know
anything about them other than their names.
Not a thing. Did they marry because of their,
you know, suddenly boosted bloodline or were they forced
into the silent sisters because of that same problem?
Like well, we don't, we can't have that.
We can't have their bloodline out there.
These these legitimate, But then again like, you know, Bloodraven
and bitter still they didn't try to take the name Targaryen.
You know, they just went about their business and you know
continue to very different businesses that clashed on the
battlefield. But still, even Damon Blackfyre
didn't try to take the name Targaryen, you know, so the
whole that there's a lot of unanswered questions there, to
be fair, a lot of them might be answered in Fire and Blood too.
You know, there's there's areas where that could get covered.
But it's worth mentioning as a current mystery.
Jaime Lannister. Right?
Is he missing? Well, yeah, kinda.
And he's quote UN quote vanished in the Riverlands according to
what Cersei is told. So all of court is basically in
the same spot regarding his whereabouts.
They don't know where he is. He's missing.
We know where he is. He's in the clutches of Lady
Stoneheart after she forced Brienne to lead him into this
trap. It's highly doubtful Jamie dies
in this predicament, as as difficult a predicament as it
is. But what does it mean for Cersei
and the Lannister faction that he's missing?
Kevin's just died while he Jamie's missing with something
that he doesn't even know yet. In fact, we haven't even seen
the reaction from Cersei to that yet.
We even. That's the last thing in In The
Dance of Dragons. Just the last thing we see.
Period. Besides the T Wow chapters,
which don't really cover this base, all we kind of know is
that Cersei seems to have regained power given what we see
in the Mercy chapter. But even that's a little
uncertain. Which by the way, fair warning,
y'all, there is a few spoilers for The Winds of Winter chapters
in this one. Not a lot, but definitely a few.
And yeah, so the timing of the trial is really difficult,
Cersei's trial and whether Jamie will even know about whether
he's going to come back and and what's going to happen there.
So I don't want to spend a lot of time on Jamie, of course,
because we have so many characters to cover, but he is
absolutely considered missing and by his allies, and it's
important. It's a full circle thing for him
coming face to face again with both Brienne and Catelyn, the
people who have most enabled or kicked off his character
development directly and indirectly, right?
And he's rejecting the people who most made him what he is
today. Like Tywin and Cersei, right?
Like the people who were as big as influences.
So of course he has made his own choices too.
But when he emerges again from this capture, his second
capture, I guess I feel like it will push him farther in a new
direction in in this character change that he's undergoing.
And none of this means he can't backslide, he can't come back
with some of his old bad habits, nor does it mean he's suddenly a
good person. But still, it's indicative of a
lot of change. And yeah, I mean, just the
trigger for his disappearance alone is indication of a shift.
Brienne got him to leave his guards by saying the Hound had
Sansa and he must come alone or he'll kill her.
I'm not sure this would have worked on former Jamie.
It might have, because he's so cocky.
He's like, well, I'm gonna go. I'll.
I can handle this. I can handle anything.
I'm Jaime Lannister. But it wouldn't have been
because of his duty. He's going now because it was
his duty. He took an oath to find Sansa.
So his reasoning is very different.
His logic, his motivation is very different.
And Cersei is absolutely perplexed.
It's like, did she really, Did he really choose this random
woman over me? She's probably baffled.
It doesn't even. Yeah, Jamie can claim later.
It's like, oh, I was trying to track down Joffrey's killer
sense. Is Joffrey's killer.
That's what I'm doing. But is he won't be telling the
truth. Or will he?
We shall see. Anyway, Jamie's missing attude
is pretty important for this plot line, and I think it's
going to make him the person that matters most to It is Jamie
himself, I think, even though it's going to have a huge impact
on Cersei and the Lannister faction.
Speaking of the deeds of Lannisters, let's talk about a
character that was at the Red Wedding, Reynold Westerling,
that's he ran to free Graywind when the Red Wedding broke out.
He clearly wasn't on the his mother's side or his not Sybil.
Spicer's not his mother, but he clearly wasn't on the Spicer
side of things. He was loyal to Rob, loyal to
his to Jane. He was severely wounded.
He got like a crossbow bolt in the gut.
I think he managed to throw himself over the wall into the
river. It's not likely he's alive, but
George R Martin is way too experienced an author to know
otherwise. Just to do something like that
and not think we're going to wonder like you.
You don't not show the body and expect us to assume he's dead.
So this is a seed. Like, maybe he's like, well,
maybe I want this guy to survive.
It's another like I could use this witness.
I could maybe he's a maybe he was there for the westerling
negotiations with Tywin. Maybe he knows some things about
the pre planning for the Red Wedding which might matter but
he's probably dead you know he probably just bled to death.
It's it's hard to survive a wound like that.
It's not just finding people that can help him it's it's it
looked like that might have been a fatal wound but he if he does
turn up it's probably thanks to the brotherhood about banners
there. The people that are monitoring
the situation, if they see a body floating downstream and
it's an ally, they would be a not unlikely to save him and he
would need substantial time to recover.
So there's there's no reason we would have heard from him in the
meantime. But yeah, it's possible.
Yeah. We'll have to see what happens
there. Related.
Somewhat related. Anyway.
Blackfish. He of course wasn't at the Red
Wedding, but he also jumped into the river, though, at River Run
instead of the twins. And he wasn't injured.
So there's almost no doubt he's alive.
He's very certainly alive. But we did an entire episode on
him, Blackfish episode. We won't rehash that.
The potential for where he might be, let's just go to say there's
a lot of fun possibilities and what might happen when he meets
his dead niece is just really hard to figure.
But it's going to, It's going to be a big deal.
Funny story though, quite a few people have commented on our
Blackfish video with mild disappointment because they
thought it was the Blackfish documentary which is about the
treatment of orcas at SeaWorld. I had to rename it.
Yeah, we Blackfish and I had to make it Brindon Blackfish.
Yeah, that's funny. Like, whoops.
OK, sorry, y'all. Didn't mean to confuse people
about that. Another Red Wedding tangent here
is Oliver Fray, Rob's Squire. And he was devoted to him.
Oliver was a very devoted to Rob.
He took it very seriously. He was loyal, etcetera, And so
they wouldn't let him at the Red Wedding.
They're like, well, we're not going to keep a loyal Squire
around. It's one of the clues that
something was about to happen. Was like, why isn't Oliver here?
Why isn't? You know what's what's what's
weird? Duty.
They just say duty. He's not here.
Like they didn't have a good lie prepared.
So, yeah, it's too late. Catelyn doesn't figure it out
until too late. But yeah, Nita's pretty sure
this is where that all of our Frey went to Rosby, because all
of our Frey is a Rosby via his mother.
His mother was Bethany Rosby. The only other named Rosby in
the modern era is Lord Giles, who just died of his cough, so
he's quite possibly who Lord Giles selected to be his heir.
But of course, Cersei has tried to shove this person aside, and
it's never named who this person is like.
Oh, his his ward. You know, the Rosby ward is oh,
that person gets nothing, you know, we'll see if that's what
actually holds by the end of the story.
I don't know if Cersei is going to have her way.
So yeah, now this ward is sort of appeared.
Felice Stokeworth complaints to Cersei about how Lord Rosby's
ward refused her and her husband's hospitality.
Which would be an interesting point if if that's Olivar
because the IT was a huge breach of hospitality.
The Red Wedding and so all of ours.
Like yeah, we're not we're this is apparently the way we we
operate now. You know hospitality doesn't
mean what it used to. And Pisal points out that the
ward at Rosby might have an interest at the inheritance of
the late Giles and of course, Cersei's lake.
Cersei actually says, oh he's not of his blood, which Cersei
might that might be a clue that it's not the the that this is
not Oliver Fray. But Cersei is probably just
wrong. She's like, oh, that's a Fray,
not a Rosby. But yeah, she'd be wrong.
A good chance that Aegon, as in Aegon the 6th, young Griff,
maybe sort some of this out as a way to to win allies.
He's like, well, I will appoint this Fray in charge of Rosby and
he'll be loyal to me, right? And that's important because
Rosby is just right around the corner from Kingsland.
That's a neighbor. You got to have your neighbors,
you know, on your side. You can't have them turning on
you. That's really dangerous.
Speaking of phrase, Aegon Bloodborne And you might be
like, wait, who? Yeah, it's not surprising that
one of Lord Walder's grandsons hasn't been seen 'cause there's
so many of them. Nevertheless, this is quite an
interesting fellow we have here. He's the second of Lord Walder's
grandsons to be named Aegon, the other one being Jingle Bell,
whom Catelyn killed. So he's the only living Frey
named Aegon. He is the son of Ames Frey.
That's the one who broke his neck in a pit trap just outside
Winterfell. Ames was the smartest of the
phrase in the North, so now it's in the hands of Hostine, who is
very much not smart. Aegon's older brother was
Rhaegar Frey, the one who ended up in a pie, but Aegon
Bloodborne is an outlaw, an outlaw not associated with the
brother without banners, as far as we know.
In fact, he's been an outlaw since before they even existed,
as far as we know. We're not sure if he's connected
to some existing outlaw group, if he's the leader of it, if
he's just a solo outlaw. We don't know why he's called
Blood Borne. We don't know why he's an
outlaw. We don't think he's been
married. It's a very unusual amount of
detail, colorful detail for a character that's never even
mentioned. He is technically mentioned, but
only in the appendix. So kind of like Stone Snake is
mentioned as alive in the appendix.
It kind of has some bearing on on what we believe here.
He's in every appendix except for A Game of Thrones.
He's in the other four. He probably won't be run into,
but it's curious that that so much detail has been given to
him for a character that we might not ever expect to run
into. Right.
It's it's strange. Maybe it's just a way to flesh
out the wide-ranging places a huge family will end up when you
have so many people competing within a household.
Maybe this is a statement on what happens with with all these
extras. Maybe it is intended.
Maybe George planted this seed and just abandoned it.
You know, he's like, I don't need this character, but maybe
maybe he'll pop up during the, the time of Aegon, or well, he
is the time he is Aegon. Yeah, Aegon and Aegon, right.
No, it's it's a it's a curiosity, very puzzling
character, this one. But yeah, maybe we'll just never
hear from him again. Maybe he'll just remain in the
appendix and that's it. But or maybe George will write a
whole story, a Side Story about just his character, his special
development for just this Aegon Bloodborne.
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Sit in for cities, says Aziz. Show me your T-shirt.
Yeah, you know, meant to meant to show this at the beginning.
It's a San Rixian shirt designed for Joe Magicians Channel.
And honestly, you know the Strongs.
I sort of picked it 'cause it's a great shirt.
But also the Strongs have some candidates.
Maybe. Mostly we wonder what happened
to all of Lucamore, the Lusty's children.
Some of them ended up on the wall, some of them ended up
elsewhere, but that's not a huge mystery.
But Joe Magician has specifically tried to track down
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So that would count. That fits into today's episode
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about where the Bloodlines of the Strong ended up.
Another question I have about the Strong's is they have a
missing castle. Now, we're not talking about
places today, but if we were, they would be nominated for that
case because they inherited Harrenhal.
It was given to them. But we don't know what castle
they had before that and they definitely had something 'cause
they are considered one of the oldest Riverlands houses.
So we just don't know what castle it was.
Maybe it's not around anymore. Maybe it was torn down.
Maybe it was handed off to a different house.
But today we don't know. Phil H says missing are the
Kingsguard Squires always thought it odd they don't really
get mentioned. Yeah there's a few here and
there that they get talked about.
But you're right. It's it's kind of a not an
oversight but they just aren't talked about.
There's definitely, it's definitely been brought up,
though. For example, at the Tower of
Joy, You know, when we're thinking about there must have
been people there to help take care of Liana.
There must have been servants. Yeah, there must have been
Squires too. The Kingsguard must have had
some people to help them, right? They probably just weren't those
three dudes without any other men around to help them put
their armor on and sharpen their swords.
And yeah, it's it's just super normal to have Squires for
Knights, especially, you would think prominent Knights like the
Kingsguard. So yeah, a little bit of a
little bit of an absence there is felt sticking with the
Riverlands. The great John captive of the
phrase. You know captured after the Red
Wedding kept alive the sigil of a giant breaking its chains as
long felt like potential foreshadowing.
Now the reason we're not sure of his location because all that's
pretty straightforward. Captured by the phrase and kept
in captivity. But Jamie ordered him
transferred to the twins from the Twins to King's Landing, and
we don't know if that's happened yet.
And if it does, well, that might be the an opportunity for the
BWB or someone else to try to, like, break him out.
Nina also mentions that there's a possibility that the BWB might
attack the wedding of Davin Lannister to his Fray bride,
which if they do that, maybe that's when the Great John is
freed, if he's still in captivity in the same castle
where this wedding is taking place.
And the reason we might think that happened is that might
happen as well. The Brotherhood Without Banners
has infiltrated not just River Run, but maybe some other
places. So we'll see about that.
Last week we also talked about Harry and Car Struck as well as
Great John. He's at Maidenpool.
We think he may also have been brought to King's Landing.
He may have been transferred, so maybe there's not a big mystery
as to where he is, but his family wants to know where he is
because he's the heir to car hold and so his rights are a big
deal and they're up in the air. You know, who is he going to
live? Is he going to not live?
Is he going to come back and claim car hold?
Is it not so? Again, we won't spend much time
on this one because we talked about it quite a bit in the Car
Stark episode, but they haven't received any ransom demands
either. So it's all from from their
perspective, it's it's very puzzling.
Sandor Clegane This one has all sorts of exceptions to us.
You might not consider him missing.
You might though if you aren't a deeper fandom person and aren't
or don't believe he's the Grave Digger because we're pretty sure
he's the Grave Digger. It's Quad Isle, which means he's
not missing to readers. And in world arguably he's not
missing there either because most people think he's actively
raiding the Riverlands because his helm is still in use.
The Hounds Head Helm is raiding the Riverlands even though he's
not the one wearing it. Everyone thinks it's him and
it's been worn by several individuals of very low
character since the Hound, who maybe isn't a great example of
someone with great character, but he's certainly a better
person than the people that wore it after him.
It's currently worn by Lem Lemon Cloak, who will also have
mentioned a reason to mention later in the episode.
He's not such a bad guy, especially not compared to
Roorge who is about as bad as it gets.
But yeah, most people wouldn't even care if Sandor was dead, so
that's another factor of him not being missing.
But his brother wants to know where he is.
And the land, well, dead before he was also killed but.
And the Lannisters would want him to answer for running off.
But they don't even seem that concerned about it.
He's just one guy. They've got bigger problems and
it's an extremely dangerous dog hunt.
Like who can afford to send all these men after Sandor Clegane,
given how dangerous he is and his crimes aren't that big a
deal in the scheme of things. It's not like he's some, you
know, claimant that they need to worry about.
You know he's just one man that ran off.
So you know he gives the Kingsguard a bad name under the
Lannisters and and other things like that.
So missing within the narrative is is it's a little it's a maybe
because everybody thinks he's dead, but we don't.
But I wanted to include him anyway because of all the weird
peculiarities of his Helm representing his identity.
But he's actually alive. But he's not the guy with the
helm. But no one's looking for him.
But they would if they knew he was alive.
But they might not, because they might not.
Yes, it's all these funny, weird examples here that are kind of
unique to Sandor Clegane, which is fair.
He's a unique character. At one point, Sandor Clegane
insults the Brotherhood Without Banners by calling them Brave
Companions, which gets them so mad because he's he's
intentionally comparing them to the bloody Mummers.
The Who, you know, called themselves the Brave Companions.
And, well, a lot of them are still alive.
There's them. Fugitive Brave Companions out
there. The second in command of Vargo
Hote was faithful Erswick. Jamie tried to con Erswick and
you know, like, look, you guys are doing badly.
Get on our side here. And it didn't work, didn't work.
So Hote kind of went mad, you know he got a little power mad
with Harrenhall. He he got that fever when
Brienne bit his ear off and he'd rather die than give up his
castle. But it's very Theon, like really
like I'm going to go down with the ship.
At least he had an excuse of a fever.
Theon had no excuse for his horrible decision making but it
is a very similar situation here, just like Theon's men were
like this is a terrible idea. We're not hyper loyal to you.
I would much rather live than than go down with this.
The ship, the castle in this case and and faithful ers,
Wicken. Quite a few brave companions
also felt that way about Vargo. They're like, why would we stay
here and die with you just so you can die in your castle?
See ya, you know, Bye. They left.
And some of the ones that left with him include Zolo the Fat
who is a Dothraki that uses an Arak and a whip.
You know traditional Dothraki weapons.
This is the guy who actually cut off Jamie's hand.
It was Vargo's order. But Zolo did it and this is one
of the three who tried to rape Brienne before Jamie, like,
stopped him. He managed to talk them out of
it, and in A Feast for Crows, Jamie still thinks of him.
He's like, that's Zolo still out there.
I need to get him so Jamie hasn't forgotten.
Not that he would expect him to, but Jamie is is Once A reckoning
was Zolo. He also thinks of Shagwell and
Roorge, but those two are dead. Brien killed them both.
And if Brienne and Jamie ever get a chance to sit down and
talk, imagine that we'll he'd be happy to hear that she
specifically took care of Shagwell and Roorge.
And separately too, like they weren't together when when she
killed them. But she did kill them.
There's also a guy named Tog Joss who is an Ibanez member of
the Brave Companions. We know very little about him,
but he's presumably with Erswick wherever they are.
They may have escaped the Seven Kingdoms, but I'm guessing they
didn't, and there may be some specific people hunting them
that we'll mention in a second. There's also a guy named Three
Toes who's some regular dude who is missing some Toes, I guess,
and he's also just named as a Survivor.
So these people may turn up. If you see them just kind of
like some of the characters we mentioned earlier, they may show
up. This may be a way for George to
show their presence, like rather than reintroducing Zolo or
Erswick, we may see Tog Joth or Three Toes, and that's a clue
that those other slightly more prominent characters are nearby.
Sometimes that's how we figure out the bigger names are around,
is by connecting the dots to their associates, who are more
subtle. Technically, though, he's not
behaving like a fugitive and we pretty much know exactly where
he is. Kybern was a member of the Brave
Companions and is complicit in many of their crimes and is
guilty of plenty on his own. So Kyburn has actually caused
quite a few people to go missing in King's Landing in the Red
Keep. Very subtle and seen by very few
and very disturbing. The BWB had been hunting all of
the Brave Companions and they might still want to hunt down
Kyburn if they could. I'm not sure they're
specifically targeting him, though.
I think they would if they they could.
He's a little bit protected right now.
But honestly, Stoneheart isn't that concerned.
See, as awful as Vargo Hote was Vargo turned on Tywin.
He didn't turn on Rob. He would have turned on Rob, but
he it never got to that point. He cut off Jamie's hand, right?
So Stoneheart is no fan of Jamie or Tywin, So actually she
doesn't really care about the Brave Companions.
I don't think she wouldn't see them as a specific enemy.
They haven't wronged her cause And her 'cause is, you know,
find her family and get back those people that that killed
her family. And technically they didn't.
However, many Brother Without Banners left when Stoneheart
took over, 'cause they don't like her leadership.
They see how dark this things have become.
They don't like what they stand for anymore.
Under Barack, they were noble, they were helping people.
Under Stoneheart, it's it's more about accomplishing her revenge
goals and finding Aria, things like that.
So it's it's different, right? So let's talk about those other
ones. Those BWB who left, they are
apparently led by Edrick Dane. And now they may they're
probably not in the Riverlands anymore, but that's when we last
saw them. We're told they were headed
South. A lot of them went S to buy
grain and then a different group left.
So let's keep them separate. There's the group with Edrick,
and Edrick is 12 years old. He's the Lord of Starfall, has
pale slash ash colored hair, purple eyes, Squire to the
undead. Right.
We talked about Squires before to the King's car.
Well, he was a Squire to barrack Donderry, and even after he was
undead, so that's that's wild. He tells Arya about Willa, who
of course is in this episode. Willa is considered missing now.
Many supposedly went with Edrick and the only one we know for
sure of is Angai the Archer. Good guy to have as an ally,
right? Angai is awesome.
It's very likely they went to Starfall.
Like, why would they not go to Starfall?
He has a castle, right? He's like, well, where should we
go now? Why not go to my castle?
Y'all I have one like Oh yeah, you have a castle.
Let's go there. It's a, it would be a very
welcoming place for the BWB who have been living in caves and
and awful outdoors and, you know, being haunted.
You know, later on some of them might have been like, you know,
we should have gone with Edrick. Like they're probably sleeping
in a nice bed down at Starfall, kind of out of harm's way.
Maybe they're not in harm. Maybe they are in harm's way,
though, because, you know, maybe Dark Star will go down there.
We've talked about how he might try to dishonorably and
violently claim Dawn. Maybe an guy will will stop him.
Maybe Edrick will stop him, Maybe they'll fail.
Maybe Dark Star will kill them or something like that.
Yikes. I don't want to see that happen,
but it might. Now we've we've talked before
about how Edrick was probably planned to be a more important
character, so his future is kind of missing in that he was maybe
expected to be the Sword of the Morning, maybe expected to be a
17 year old after the five year gap.
But since the five year gap was scrapped, what's the plan for
him? The outlook for his purpose in
the narrative is maybe missing. Those changes to the five year
gap really impacted House Dane, and well, it's really hard to
predict what that will mean. The only other gains at Starfall
right now might be Illyria and which is why Gerald might make
his move. You know, only a a woman that he
thinks he can capture and maybe forcibly marry.
He's not married, you know, that might be his way to sort of
seize the main branch of house Dawn away from his, you know,
nephew or not nephew, cousin Edrick.
And of course take Dawn in the process.
So this is a very interesting developing subplot that there
hasn't been much reason for George to touch on.
But Dorne is becoming a bigger part of the narrative.
These things could all tie together somehow.
When Obara and Aryo Hotago W to try to find Dark Star, they
might they may find that he already has Dawn and we hear you
know, what happened with that. Or they may go to High Hermitage
and find that he's at Starfall instead.
You know, hold up there at a bigger castle, like, you know, a
lot of possibilities there. Arguably Geraldine himself is
missing. I wouldn't go that far.
He's he's probably at High Hermitage, and if not he, you
know, he's probably in the vicinity.
But you know we'll throw him out there, as I mentioned, 'cause he
might not be where we think he is.
So that is a big dangling thread there with Edrick and Angai and
these guys. And I doubt George will just
leave it dangling though, you know.
But it is a it is something that it's hard to predict.
There's this unnamed Tirashi cell sword Captain During the
Battle of Camps when Rob's ambush and attack is so
successful, he switches sides. He's like, I'm not.
I don't have any loyalty to the Lannisters.
There's no reason for us to get killed here.
Let's let's join your team. But he's truly missing.
He and his men. They're truly missing.
When George was asked about these guys, George admits he
forgot. He just straight up forgot about
them. But he suggests kind of on the
fly at the time. He's like, yeah, well what
accidents I forgot, maybe we can come up swing right now he's
like, they probably just left. They probably deserted.
They probably just took their chance to go home.
When Rob started raiding the West, they could, they started
raiding on their own rather than following Rob's plans for.
They just start raiding the West and taking whatever they want
and then leaving. You know, just take catching
ship to go elsewhere. Back to Tyrosh, maybe.
Now Tyrion claims to have learned some Tai Rashi while
growing up there at Casually Rock, right?
He grew. He learned it from a Tai Rashi
sell sword. Maybe it was this guy, but it
could be this next example. Green beard, AKA pillow of Tai
Rash. He wound up in the BWB and we're
not sure how. The most likely suggestion is
that he fought during the early part of the War of 5 Kings and
deserted whatever side he was on.
George was asked which army he deserted from and at the time
George couldn't remember and it's never been followed up on
as far as we know of. He's big, a large guy, bigger
than lemon, lemon cloak, not as big as the hound.
And his beard is going Gray so that it's joke that he's Gray
beard instead of green beard. He does seem like a decent
enough guy there. He's not one of the ones that
stays with Stoneheart and it's kind of what you can maybe draw
a line there, like the ones who stayed with Stoneheart and maybe
a little of the lower quality individuals.
Although, you know, to be fair, Thoros Amir is one of them, but
it seems like the ones who don't want to work with Stoneheart are
the better, like more morally upright ones.
The ones that this is this has gone too far by their
perspective and it looks like maybe this Green Beard guy went
with he might be with Edrick so, but in fact he hasn't even been
around since the Stoneheart took over when they took Sandor's
gold, his prize that he won at the tournament.
They took they went S without money to try and buy food and
then come back. We have no idea whether they
were successful, whether they actually came back, but it was
him and the Mad Huntsman, so the Mad Huntsman could be considered
missing as well. The Mad Huntsman's family was
all killed by Lannisters. So which is why he's mad.
And yeah, so vindictive guy, but also doing the right things,
trying to help out the survivors and not just focused on his
revenge. And this pillow guy, well,
anyone who spends their time their their time throughout war,
concerned with feeding the hungry, they're OK by me.
And I hope we see him again because you know, the Westeros
could could use the good guys. He seems to be one.
People who aren't so good include a lot of the people that
were recruited by Yarin to go North Yarin's recruits.
There's a quite a few of these guys that we lose track of and
they deserve a quick mention here.
Cut, Jack Tarver, Merch, Guerin, Euregh, and Racing.
Kind of like some of these random nights Watchmen or other
BW beers or the guys with Captain Obvious.
They don't have a lot to know about them, but George is
careful to give them just enough detail to make them feel like
living characters to make really fill out the story.
To make the world building feel more realistic, Merch is the one
that yells at Roorge and Biter for mocking a dying woman.
He's probably killed by Emery Lorch's men, but we don't see
him die. Ditto Yureg and Raisin.
Guerin was wounded. They had to leave him behind, so
he's even more likely to have been killed.
But all these guys were going north to join the wall with
Yaron. Some of them were volunteers,
some of them were criminals. They, you know, Cut Jack and
Tarver survived the battle against Emery Lorch along with
Gendry, Hot Pie, Lami, Arya and Weasel.
But these are the two that run away.
Once they survive the battle, they take everything of value
and leave the young people behind.
Tarbor wasn't much older than them.
He was young, but older than, you know, he wasn't.
I guess he wasn't a teenager. Cut Jack was an adult who was a
former stone Mason. Rayson was an older man with a
walking staff. Most of these guys showed they
were tough. They were willing to stand up to
Emery Lorch Yoran is considered missing by the Nights Watch at
this point. Now, given a given enough time,
they'll consider him dead. And that would be correct
because we saw him die, or at least we saw his body.
Maybe Ari will tell John though, like they don't know the story,
but someone is a witness that is connected to the current Lord
Commander. Very connected, Ari and John, so
maybe he even gets a light memorial.
Maybe he gets a burial, A posthumous acknowledgement for
his great years, as many years of service.
And these are perhaps among the characters of today that we are
the least likely to ever see again.
It's almost amazing that I bothered with them, but again, I
wanted to show the sprawl. The narrative purpose exists for
a reason. Of these characters.
George wants this world to be big, and they are.
These are the details that make it bigger characters that you
can for easily forget about And they you know Tarbor does
something kind of interesting here he which is makes it worth
it to pay attention to minor characters at least what they do
if not them. He throws acorns in a grave so
that a tree might eventually mark the spot.
It's like an organic gravestone, right, A natural gravestone.
It's probably a custom that he didn't come up with on his own.
This is probably something that a lot of people do yet it's the
only he's like the only one we see do it.
So he's sort of the representative of this custom
within the narrative within the story.
And cut Jack at another point helps dig a grave for the next
character's mother, the same dying woman that it was.
Apparently Weasel's mother and Weasel was a girl that never
speaks. She stays with Lami when Arya
and Hot Pie try to sneak into the village that the mountains
men have captured and they want to rescue Gendry.
And when they come back, Lami's still lying there on the ground
'cause he's his leg is hurt, but Weasel is smartly run off.
She also is very symbolic of a lot of other characters that
don't have names or faces, and she barely has one herself
because we don't know her real name.
She's poor and helpless. She's a child who she's She's
symbolic of the horrors of war, the impact on the most powerless
people. Her trauma is extensive, like
that's why she doesn't talk. We're pretty sure she's probably
not born mute, but it's possible she eats mud.
It's a sign of malnourishment, right?
That's sad and but on the plus side, she's also a symbol of
resilience and strength through adversity and making it through
because that's what Ari considers her.
She considers her resilient and stubborn despite, you know,
everything going on in her predicament and how she's not
particularly capable of much because she's young and and weak
and and all that. But Ari admires that about her
and respects it. These are qualities she
possesses herself. And it really gets me because I
think a lot of us out there have been impacted by people in our
lives that we maybe you only saw them once, maybe you saw a
stranger crying on a subway or for me, the one I I think the
one that comes back to for me is one time I was in Las Vegas and
done for the night. We're going to have a meal and I
just saw this dude just like Breakdown crying at the at a
table next to us and he's like guess his wife or his sister or
someone who's just like trying to comfort him.
It's pretty obvious what happened.
Most likely this guy just lost a ton of money, money that he
probably couldn't afford. You know it's a pretty regular
thing to see at a casino. But for some reason I just, I I
think about this this happened 20 years ago.
Just a memory that that kind of. I wouldn't say it haunts me, but
it's not that powerful. But it's not a pleasant thought.
So, you know, you might not have context of seeing this stranger
meltdown or have problems, but you can have that sympathy,
'cause, you know, well, everyone goes through stuff.
Everyone has problems in their lives.
And I'm sure that this is a legit one, you know, This is,
you can sympathize without even knowing what the problem is.
And here we do know what a lot of problems are.
We don't know why she can't speak.
We don't know what she went through.
But we can imagine it's a war she's lived through, war.
Her mother's dead. We saw that, right?
That gets horrible. You don't have to imagine much.
And Arya doesn't forget her, Arya.
So we shouldn't. I mean, we shouldn't anyway.
But Arya doesn't. Arya uses her name and Heron all
she's like with her. What's your name?
She's like Weasel, you know And then later they're like that
that's not your name. For a while she gets away with
it. But Ruth Bolton won't take,
won't accept that and he's like Nan.
OK, Nan, there you go. There's your actual name which
which it isn't but you know and but it keeps Weasel's memory
alive. It's it's fitting that Arya in
this position is also a ref, a child refugee that's very
similar to Weasel, and it enhances her role as the
embodiment of innocent people in war.
And again in A Feast for Crows. When Arya meets the Waif, she
thinks of Weasel again. So this character, Arya's not
forgotten Weasel. Arya is probably going to think
of Weasel again. I really doubt we ever see her
again, but she's going to remain in Arya's mind as a callback.
Maybe a little bit like how Tyrion thinks of Taisha and
Taisha's way had a much bigger role in Tyrion's life, but it's
a character that we'll probably never see again.
Of course, we've never actually seen Taisha, but you get the
point. Someone that keeps coming back,
Someone that in their memory, they can't stop thinking about
because of the impact, because of how sad it makes them,
because of how impactful it was. Let's talk about Arya.
Not lost to us, but certainly missing from the perspective of
pretty much everyone, right? There's a couple people who know
she's alive, you know, Hot Pie, Gendry, a couple of the Brother
Without Banners, Sandor Wright. But even they don't know that
she's still alive, right? They don't know.
Like, like it was with prior characters we've discussed.
Just because they knew she was alive doesn't mean that they
know she's still alive. A lot could have happened.
And of course, Arya can identify Jane, and Jane can identify
Arya. Meaning not Jane Westerling.
Jane Poole, right. Jane Poole.
Jane of the missing Nose, who was forced to stand in for Arya
and Mary Ramsey. So it's interesting too, Arya.
It's part of a missing part of a recurring pattern for her.
She's gone missing several times, right?
She goes missing after the incident with Micah.
Then she gets missing in the Red Keep when she gets lost chasing
Valerian and ends up in the, you know, below the Red Keep in the
tunnels and overhears Virus and Illyrio.
And they're looking for her both those times.
Like, where's Arya? Where'd she go?
And you know she's going to make some people disappear too, you
know, she makes people go missing.
She's already made Darien go missing.
Although Basil's men found out about that one, they haven't
even seen it. She also made Wrath the sweetly
disappear in the Mercy chapter. They're probably going to know
about that one too, and her masters might have to.
Well, there. There's going to be a reckoning
for her based on her, her creating more missing people.
She's not supposed to have done that.
That wasn't a thing that that was an Aria thing to do.
That was a revenge piece from Arya Stark.
Not something that, you know no one would do.
So yeah, that Arya herself is her return to the Seven Kingdom,
and how she becomes unmissing and who she becomes unmissing to
is a lot to look forward to. But one of the conduits to that,
one of the conduits to her return, and one of the parts of
her future is absolutely Nymeria.
All the Starks are listed as missing in this episode, but Ari
is the only one who separated from her living wolf.
You know, I wrote in the document cries in Lady here
'cause I had to put Living Wolf for that clarification there
because sorry, as we know Rick and still was Shaggy Brand's
definitely was Summer John's. Well, Ghost was not that far
away. You know Ghost is at Castle
Black. John may be closer to Ghost than
he's ever been. That's true inside of Ghost.
Good point. So the Riverlands has not
forgotten about Nymeria though they may they've they've they're
more aware of Nymeria than they are of Arya.
Probably because of this Wolf Pack is just ruling the the
river lands. Right.
And it's in a manner that reminds me of her namesake as in
Nymeria of the Roinar, you got refugee wolves you know lost in
a land that's not their own right now.
She's not from there. She's not from the river lands.
Right. She's from the north.
You know the river lands is kind of like where Nymeria of the
Roinar's from. They that's the river lands of
Essos. They they're river people.
The Roinar didn't expand beyond the river.
They loved the river so much that they didn't really colonize
elsewhere. So yeah, a big question I have
for Arya about about Nymeria is will she lead the entire
Wolfpack? Because Nymeria leads the
Wolfpack and if Arya can lead Nymeria, then that implies she
will have like a wolf army. I don't know what she's going to
do with that. Probably go north, but maybe
not. Maybe it'll help free Jane
Westerling and and Ed Muir from this, this this group that's
going to Cassidy Rock from from River Run that Jamie sent.
Yeah, a lot of possibilities there.
Arya was going to have quite a glow up from hiding beneath
dungeons and following cats to peering through cat's eyes and
leading perhaps an entire pack of wolves.
If not that, definitely one enormous alpha wolf who every
day grows more and more like her namesake.
Maybe even more. Maybe even more vicious.
Yeah, Night Maria of the Run. I wasn't vicious, she was just a
good leader and had to make tough decisions.
This, this wolfish being, doesn't really have to make
decisions. She just has to hunt and kill
and well, I'm excited to see what the Chekhov's wolf is going
to do. But definitely considered
missing from Arya's perspective, Even if she occasionally has
dreams of her and and probably knows she's in the Riverlands
because that's where she let her go, That's where she drove her
off. You know, back in book one,
sticking with the Starks. Let's go to Sansa in the Veil.
Elaine, we should call her, just like so many of the Starks.
Not only are they missing, but they're under assumed names.
That's really just for the Starks girls.
Bran still Bran. Rickon.
Still Rickon. But you know, Sansa's Elaine.
Aria's had, you know, countless names, right?
And currently is no one, Which is sort of a name, sort of.
Not Anyway. Like Aria, we know where Sansa
is, but she's concealed from almost everyone.
There's definitely a few people that know where she is.
Unlike Arya, for the most part, no one suspects that she's dead.
They suspect she ran off after the Purple Wedding.
Well, she did run off. That's not a suspicion.
That is what happened. Some people think she was a part
of it. Some people think she helped
poison Joffrey, but she's complicit and that's why some
people are looking for her. Some people think she has bat
wings. Some people think she has bat.
Wings, I don't know. People think some crazy things.
You're right. People have some odd takes on
Sansa. And we're not talking about
theories about her and by fans. We're talking about in world
that is an in world. You know, it's like it's one of
those tabloid style rumors that like most people wouldn't take
seriously. But it it it's, it's still being
said. You know, like Robb Stark
turning into a wolf. You know, it's like, Yep,
turning into a turning into a bat.
So at least a few people have figured out who she is, though.
And this is a good case of we don't need to discuss this one
so much as just to point out where we've discussed it
separately, which is in the Elaine T Wow chapter episode
where we discuss characters like Miranda Royce and the mad Mouse
who have probably figured out who she is, so she's not missing
to them. But what will they do with this
information, this limited information that only a few
people have? And how will her reveal go like
Bran and Re emerging from the north will be a big deal.
Arya won't be as much of A political big deal, but the
things she does after she comes back to Westeros will have a
huge impact. And you know, John, maybe we
finding finding out about his death and maybe finding out
about his heritage, that's a huge deal, Could have massive
political implications. Reckon's reemergence could, you
know, be a part of the claim to the North.
Tyrion's reemergence will have a big impact on politics as well,
which will probably be alongside Danny, which will have an
enormous impact. So lots of these characters are
going to have an enormous impact through their reappearance.
Sansa will be one of them, revealing her true identity in
front of the Veil, whether on schedule or because someone else
reveals it prematurely. Well, it's going to be big and
she won't be missing anymore after that.
It will be that part of her story will have ended very
suddenly and dramatically, and we'll see what the reaction is
going to be. But definitely like her family,
she's among the missing now, sticking in the veil.
We got nettles and sheep stealer flying back far in time after
Rainiera turns on her and Damon. Of course this is book version.
It might go differently in the show.
We might not even have a nettles in the show.
Check out our episodes on House of the Dragon for theories about
that. Anyway, sticking with the books,
she flies off into the sunset, right?
Like an actual literal flying off into the sunset.
Actually, it's more like a Nope, not literal flying off in the
sunset because she flew east, so she flew into the sunrise, but
whatever. close enough, close enough, apparently made her home
in the Veil. The World of Ice and Fire
revealed that there was this, maybe a strange fire witch that
had a dragon. Who else could that be but
Nettles? And this is apparently how the
Burned Men clan became a thing. They would they would burn a
piece of themselves to win her favor.
And this tradition carried on because by now she's almost
certainly dead. So she's not in some sense she's
not missing because no one went looking for her that we know of
in the story, But she's definitely missing from, like,
we want to know what happened to her.
And sheep stealer, Maybe they just lived in peace the rest of
their lives in the veil in this remote location, but maybe not.
Maybe there's more to it now. She doesn't die, you know,
during the war, which makes her special.
One of the few dragon riders that survives it.
But it's not clear that this is a happy ending.
I mean, it's pretty sad, right? She doesn't have the connection
to Damon. Whatever it is, they don't get
to live with that connection, whether it's a father, daughter
relationship or as lovers. Either way, they don't get to
have it. They don't get to experience
this thing that they wanted, and they're betrayed by the side
that they're fighting for that they have honestly fought for.
She wasn't going to change sides, So Rainier was just
wrong. And she has to go live with
Klansmen, which, you know, maybe this is like a Dances with
Wolves, Dances with Burned Men thing where she was actually
happy with it. But I wouldn't guess that I
don't think that living in exile was amazing.
On the other hand, she might have could have gone somewhere
else. I mean, she has her dragon.
She could have flown off if she didn't like it there.
She had the means to go elsewhere.
Maybe she couldn't imagine a place that would welcome her,
though. I mean, like, where am I going
to go live? Like, who's going to welcome me?
I don't know. So I would lean towards this is
not a good ending for her. Like, it was kind of sad.
Nina agrees. This is not a this is far from a
best case scenario, and she had to be isolated.
And we've seen how being worshipped as a God isn't a good
life. Like, Danny is lonely in that.
And yeah, maybe she actually liked it.
But nothing about what we learn about nettles indicates that
this would be a life she would enjoy.
Then again, we don't know her very well, so this comes up in
our Clans of the Veil episode as well.
Of course, in Dance of the Dragons, we cover metals as
well. That's our series with Radio
Westeros. I would love to know how long
she lived. The burned men would know things
about her. I kind of doubt that's a vector
for us to hear about her, but it is possible.
You know, they'd have like someone like Timit, son of Timit
would know the lore of their clan and and there might be some
information there, you know, You never know.
Maybe Tyrion's obsessed with Dragons.
The burned men will be associated with Tyrion,
probably, if they're back in the story, and that's a path for
that story to to be told. But I wouldn't bet on it.
But it's also really interesting too, Just the fact that she hid
in the veil. She didn't leave the continent,
you know, she didn't go beyond the wall, but other people,
other people might, you know, not on a dragon.
You don't go beyond the wall on a dragon, apparently.
Would love to know what happened to nettles.
Would love to know what happened to Sheep Stealer.
Definitely consider her belonging in this group now.
King's Landing. Several characters there.
Tyrek Lannister, nicknamed Wet Nurse because he was betrothed
to a baby. This baby is also a lady,
though. It's Lady Ermeson Hayford and it
was a way for House Lannister to claim the Hayford lands.
And Tyrek will have kids with Ermes and eventually and their
kids will be Lannisters because he's a boy.
You know they didn't do the keep her name.
It wasn't a matrilineal marriage.
Tyrek was one of Robert Squires, alongside Lancel, So he was
there when Robert was killed by the boar.
And then we'll talk. We're told it was Lancel who
gave him the strong line. Are we supposed to believe Tyrek
was entirely ignorant of that? Well, maybe he it's possible,
but he very likely observed or otherwise knew about it was
involved somehow. But he vanished.
During the riot in the Clash of Kings, the Bread Riot, Tyrion
ordered a search for him. Then in the Storm of Swords,
Tywin orders another search for him, insists on continuing it
well after they have turned up nothing, Adam Marbrand is
promoted to Lord Commander. The Gold Cloaks continues the
search for Tyrek points out how Tywin is stubborn where his
blood is concerned, and I mean to continue the search.
Basically the wording there. And there's some curious meta
with Tyrek as well. Like back in the days when there
was only the first two books, theories about Tyrek began to
form, like they were already pointing to Virus due to his
absence from that procession. Right, there's the the they all
go to see Marcella off, and Virus isn't part of the group
where you might expect him to be.
And so there, that's the suspicion.
He's like, well, Virus wasn't there.
Maybe he kicks, kicked off the riot, snatched Tyrek and has him
in hiding somewhere. And this is basically what
theories pop up in world two books later in A Feast for
Crows. All the fan theories are what
Jamie basically has. He's like Virus is probably
involved. He may have started the riot.
He wasn't there during it. You know, he may have taken
Tyreq, all the theories that the fandom had about Tyreq or what
Jamie has. That was really neat, a very
meta. It's potentially very valuable
to Varys. Why would Varys want Tyreq?
Well, it could doom Cersei's rule if she's outed for murder
and robber like like, oh, we were all so sad that Robert was
killed, you know, and blah blah blah.
But what if it comes out that she was part of it?
That could be part of how Varys helps his claimant get Cersei
off the throne in order to install Aegon the 6th, who is
who he's supporting. We're all very much looking
forward to how Varys supports his claimant through subterfuge
and whispers and intrigue, the type of which he's been holding
back on because he's been, you know, playing it safe and
playing both sides and making sure everyone gets a little bit
of value from him. So they all want to keep him
alive. But now he's just full on my
candidate. You know.
And he's going to the gloves are off where he can take people
down and reveal all these secrets he's been hiding and
whatever plans he's been pulling together for the past several
decades, he's it's ready. It's time to unleash those.
So if Tyrek is somewhere in hiding under viruses control,
the win's a winner is when he might emerge, though he might
now be, you know, excess. They they've already got their
Lance or they've got Tyrion. Now do they also need Tyrek?
Well, they might because of what he knows, because he's the
witness to regicide and all these other things.
Tyrion is not a witness to Cersei planning to kill Jamie.
I mean Robert and Lancell also knows, however, and Lancell
might talk as well, and you might need both of them talking.
You might need Lancell and Tyrek to verify the story, because one
witness might not be enough. Multiple people telling the same
story. You're swearing on their sword
or whatever that that matters more than just one person doing
it. Sticking with Cersei and her
very sketchy leadership, Her, you know, slender hold on power
when things started to go bad for her.
Now she's recovered a bit, of course, but when it first had to
go bad for her and the the Faith of the Seven seized her, her
young and inexperienced master of ship slash Lord Admiral,
'cause you know, she wanted those new titles in play, stole
all her fancy. New Dromans.
She gave him command to them and when she was captured, he just
left, took all the ships and skedaddled.
As we've said in a few places in a few prior episodes.
He's most likely this new guy calling himself the Lord of the
Waters who is set up on the step stone called Torturers Deep.
There's a bunch of different step stones.
We don't have the names for all of them.
Hey, you could call that missing.
The names of some of the step stones are missing, but this one
is called Torturers Deep. That's almost certainly Orion
Waters, and his plot line will very possibly revolve around
maybe stuff happening with Salad or Sun also in the step stones,
but maybe even more likely to connect to the lysine ship that
knows about Hardhome or Danny's ships coming through that will
encounter him and maybe hook up with him or be an enemy.
Who knows? There's a lot of these ten ships
are very important because they're very powerful.
These are warships, and whoever gets them on their side, we'll
have a big edge because of that. It's a big boost to whoever will
get it. And we have no idea whose side
he'll take. But my guess is he'll do what a
lot of ambitious people of power do is he'll hold back and wait
to see who's winning, who's doing well, and then just show
up one day and be like, yo, 10 warships.
Give me something. I'm on your side, you know?
And he's a valarian. He's a valarian blood.
So Danny might be predisposed to like, and he's good looking,
which now Danny unfortunately, is a little bit susceptible to
that. Not a lot.
She's not, you know, like overwhelmed by all this Guy's
good looking. I'm going to do everything.
She's got a little of that, not a lot of that.
You see it with, with Dario, it worked on Cersei.
Or Cersei was like daydreaming about Orane and how he looked
like Rhaegar. So he's handsome and that
matters, I think because of these, these, the particular
circumstances that are coming up here.
But yeah, we'll see about him now.
One who's not so handsome is Shagga.
He falls in the general idea like we kind of know where he
is, but he's hidden. And but I mean by general ideas,
he's in the Kingswood. He was sent there by Tyrion to
give Stannis trouble, give Stanis his army trouble.
Before the Black Battle of Blackwater.
Battle of Blackwater was quite a while ago.
Y'all, as you know, end of Clash of Kings.
We have not seen or heard of Shagga since, but we do know
he's still there and probably just sitting on the shelf in
terms of narrative. He's sitting on the shelf
waiting for Tyrion to return to King's, to either King's Landing
or just to Westeros, at which point they will probably hook
back up. They got along well.
Their conversations were amusing too.
Shagga's funny, you know. So I think we'll see him again.
I think he'll hook up with Tyrion.
And we also talk about him in the Clans of the Veil episode
and a little more with a little more detail, a little more about
what he might be doing in the meantime.
But yeah, he he was worth a mention here for sure.
Next up, Lara Rogara. Here's one going into the past.
She was married to Viserus. As in The Viserus who became
Viserus the Second, The one who was handed a king for Aegon the
3rd and for Aegon who was the father of Aegon the 4th and was
handed the king also for Baylor of the Blessed.
So this guy is the the Tywin parallel one and Laura is part
of the parallel because remember for Tywin Joanna dies young and
it changes personality. He becomes severe and kind of
hardcore and all that and all the love dies in his life.
Similar here Laura doesn't die but leaves him.
She has kids with him and then leaves.
She doesn't like Westeros, she never learns to speak Common.
She's was a victim of a lot of prejudice and rumor mongering
about her kind of crazy rumors. Although given lysine religion,
we don't actually know. Maybe some of them are actually
true, but it's a fairly safe assumption, 'cause she was known
to be just incredibly beautiful that Viserys was into her.
You know, you get this young teenager who's like married to
the like one of the hottest women in the world with
impeccable bloodlines and all this other stuff Rich family
like he was probably very into her and and given his reaction
to her leaving too kind of proves that that he was turned
sour by her, her her departure. We cannot assume she was into
him like he was a teenager, a young teenager, a boy, you know,
where she's a woman forced to marry overseas to a language he
doesn't speak. She may have just been waiting
to leave all that time, but it's still tough.
I mean, she had to leave her children.
Doesn't necessarily kind of reflects poorly on her leaving
your children. But on the other hand, like it
was a bad life for her there, maybe her children.
She wasn't probably allowed to raise them that much.
They were kept separate from her a lot.
Reminds me a bit of another character we're going to talk
about here in a minute, but we do actually have a follow up on
her and this was new to me as of this episode.
I didn't know this, but according to Elio Garcia, there
was a few notes that didn't make the world book.
But one of them actually several notes that didn't make the World
book. One of them is that Lara Rogaria
returned to lease in 139, which is later than we thought.
I mean she returned you know, and died six years later at only
about 30 years old. So we don't know the
circumstances of her death, but the the Rogaria family had a
huge collapse and then a resurgence.
And 139 is, I think after the resurgence, not, you know,
before, well after the collapse. So or maybe it's the beginning
of the collab, beginning of the resurgence.
Either way, 30 is pretty darn young to die, so probably not
good circumstances. We can't assume it was murder,
but you know, more likely when you're 30 to it's not that
likely that you died of natural causes at such a young age.
But we don't know more detail. And if we do learn it, it will
probably be in Fire and Blood 2, because Fire and Blood 2 picks
up like, right at that time. Dorne is where we're going next.
And yeah, a character with a lot of in common with Laura, a woman
from Essos who had children with a Westerosi man only to later
return to their homeland. That's Malario Norvos.
Unlike Viserys and Lara, in this case, we're told there was a
major mutual attraction confirmed where I suspect that
Lara wasn't all that into Viserys, but in the long run,
they just didn't have enough in common.
That's what Doran basically says, is like, yeah, we, we fell
in love. George R Martin says the same
thing. Like, there was a lot of lost, a
lot of mutual traction. But but when that wore off and
maybe they didn't have as much in common.
And she did not like being married to the Prince of Doran.
She didn't like being the Princess of Doran.
She didn't like that. She didn't like having her
children used as alliances and sent away to be married.
And she wanted to have her children around her.
She wanted to, you know, be their mother and live with them.
And this this whole business of politics and these arrangements.
She really didn't like it. I suppose she just didn't like
Doran that much either. Arya Hota says it took a lot of
getting used to, and maybe Malario never adjusted as much
as he did. So with all her isolation, the
the failed romance, pain of separation from her children,
and homesickness, she just left. And maybe we don't need to
wonder about her fate. She's just in Norvas living her
life and maybe there's, you know, she's got some sadness,
but maybe she's found love again and you know, she wouldn't be
having kids again. I don't think she's too old for
that, probably. But you know, maybe she's having
a decent life in retirement and maybe there's a chance we'll
we'll hear from her. I kind of doubt it.
She's probably up up there among the characters we're least
likely hear from again. But never be too sure.
Sticking in Dorne and sticking to the past Tanzel Tutal Dunk
certainly wants to know where she is, right?
He certainly went looking for her and didn't find her.
This one is interesting because it's entirely possible Dunk will
meet her again. And hey, we had we wanted to
know about that too, didn't we, Shaya?
Yes. I asked George this question
directly at a convention years ago.
I said, to quote, I just wanted to ask, I know you have quite a
lot of Dunkin Egg books planned. Are we ever going to see Tansel
too tall again? Are we going to find out what
happened to her? And then he had a big smile and
he said, well, that would be telling laughs, But I think
there's a good chance, yes. And to be clear, I asked this
question not because I expected to get a significant answer or
anything like that. Sometimes I just like to ask a
question to just be like, hey George, we we we like Tanzel.
We're thinking about her. She's on our radar.
Like I just like to kind of show him that we care about other
things sometimes I I suppose. But I was very pleased that he
he gave kind of an affirmative. And we'll also see Tanzel on the
television, because Dunkin Egg is going to television and
there's no way TV audiences will tolerate no follow up.
They want. Tanzel and Dunk they're going to
be give us that re meeting. They want people TV audiences
will clamor for a reunion which apparently George has already
planned to some degree. I don't know.
I mean think about it this way. Dunks going to become famous.
He's going to become Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, or
at least at first just the Kingsguard.
He's going to be next to the king.
Tanzel will know where he is if she doesn't know, if he doesn't
know where he is, she is, she will be able to find him, you
know, because he's going to be famous.
So that might be how it happens. Is that she's the one who finds
him. He'll be easier to find.
He's also easier to spot in the crowd, although she's tall, so
you know she's not so hard to spot either.
To him though, she's just the right height.
Willa. Oh boy.
Big missing person here. Part of the early mystery as to
John's parentage is is Cat thinks of Shara.
Dane is John's mother. Ned himself says it's Willa to
Robert. When Robert's like, what was the
name of your bastard's mother again?
He says Willa, or in the show he says whyla.
I don't know. Whichever pronunciation doesn't
matter. As we said earlier, Willa was
Edrick Dane's wet nurse as well. Edrick says I was Jon Snow's
milk brother. Ari is confused and insulted by
that information, 'cause she's like, no way, my father never
loved anyone but my mother. This is, you know, a little
girl's reaction to finding out that no, actually you, your
parents can can like other people you know, doesn't quite
work that simply, you know. Ned knew people before Catelyn
too. This is before he barely even
knew her, right? So it's pretty likely Will is
alive because, you know, as a wet nurse less than a decade
ago, that's not an old person's job, right?
You can't. You know you're not like a 60
year old wet nurse, right? That doesn't really work that
way. So she's probably only in like
her 40s or something. She's probably not that old at
all. Maybe, maybe a little older than
that, but she's definitely not at an age where you would expect
she's has passed from from natural causes.
It's possible she's dead. Of course it's possible she's
dead, but there's no reason to assume that unlike many of the
other potential Tower of Joy witnesses, she's most likely
there beforehand. In other words, she may have
already been there when Leanna was brought there too, or
brought with Leanna, like she may have been summoned because
Leanna was pregnant. So when they moved into the
Tower of Joy and decided to stay there for a while, like to
facilitate the rest of her pregnancy, Willa was right
there, that whole time. Most of what we see about the
Tower of Joy is, you know, through Ned's perspective, maybe
a little bit through some other places.
But it's not generally through the perspective of people who
were there before Ned. People who were there in that
location before Ned and and his party even knew where it was
before the Tower of Joy was even, you know, discovered by
them or revealed to them. So she potentially knows a lot,
maybe even some things that Benjen might know, as in things
that they would discuss in private or that she would have
overheard by being in the room when Leon and Rhaegar were
talking about things. Like she was probably there when
Rhaegar was still there before he left to go back north and
fight the war. Whereas obviously Ned and the
others weren't. Didn't get to see that.
She might have been witness to, you know, lots of conversations
that between the Kingsguard and Rhaegar about a whole number of
things about what he expected their duty to be and what they
should do in case of this or that.
So maybe the only person that knows or has access to this
level of knowledge is maybe other servants that were at in
her, you know, in a similar role to her.
But maybe not even that, because if Willa was specifically John's
wet nurse, then I don't suppose John had multiple wet nurses.
So really she might have more information than just about
anybody on the Tower of Joy. The only other person I think
that might have more access is Bran, by just looking into the
past and seeing things that regular people can't see outside
of magic. She knows the most, except maybe
Benjin, but I think she's probably knows more than Benjin.
And Benjin might not know anything.
It's we just guessed that Benjamin might know some things
or figured some things out. But really, I don't think I have
a better candidate than Willa for knowledge about the Tower of
Joy amongst the living, right. Ned obviously knew some things
but he's dead, you know? And maybe Howland Reid like
Helen Reid of course is up there too.
Because Helen Reid would know things that maybe Willa doesn't
know given Ned and his proximity to her and to to Leanna.
Cause Helen Reid knew Leanna too and their connection also
perhaps indicate some some secrets that they pass between
them. But as far as people who weren't
personally connected, as far as friendships with them, Willa is
number one there. And yeah, witness.
That's a a repeating trait for a lot of missing characters we've
discussed today. The reason they're missing
narratively, is 'cause they know things that the story isn't
ready to reveal a lot of times. And it's not just, like
information they have. It's specifically that they were
a witness to something Old Town, not too far from from Dorn Chaka
Nagar. We don't have a lot to say about
him, but he does kind of belong in this in this thing he's he's
been missing. We we pretty sure he's at Old
Town after a possible stop off at Pike.
Of course his description, the description of the face he
changes into, looks exactly like The Alchemist that Pate sees.
So that's why we think he's at Old Town.
But of course, we're very curious what's going to happen
next there and if anybody else is going to go missing because
of him and what books might go missing when he leaves.
So yeah, Jack and Nagar. And what what what is going to
happen next? Like what happens when, you
know, Euron shows up? Is that going to mess with
Jotkin's ability to do things? Probably not.
He's so skilled. He can take on the face of an
ironborn, maybe or who knows, right.
But it wouldn't do to have only one hidden character at the
Citadel. We've got Sorella.
Most of you listening have heard the Aloris equals Sorella
theory, which is arguably not even a theory given how blatant
it is. The name Sorella backwards is
Aloris. I mean, you can't really get
more blatant than that. Plus, the appearance matches the
description of them. You know, they look the same.
So at least she wants to get an education and women aren't
allowed to sit at all. That might be all there is to
it. She's in disguise as a boy so
that she can have access to levels of education that aren't
given to men. Might just be that.
But it's not clear her family knows that.
I mean, Doran Martel says she's playing her own game, but.
But that's such a vague thing. Like, what does that mean?
Like playing her own game in disguise, Learning things at the
Citadel. Is that what she is?
That what he means by playing her own game?
Maybe. But.
But maybe there's a bigger purpose for this education.
What is Sorella studying? Is it just she's following in
her father's footsteps? Or maybe she has goals that
involve learning specific things.
She needs to be educated on certain subjects in order to
facilitate these goals. Whatever they are, I don't know,
but just like Jacques Nagar, Maybe not.
Just like Jacques Nagar. She's in a location that's very
sketchy. It seems very safe, but it's
not. It's it's in great danger.
The Citadel. Old ton of general, and that's
going to matter. Whatever plot lines, whatever's
in the future for her, whatever she's studying, whatever reasons
it is, it could get very much interrupted.
You're honest. Interruptus could be happening
here. 1 character who maybe got away before any of this is
Marwin Old Town is actually the one place we can be pretty sure
he's not, even though it's the only place we've seen him
because he took ship and left. He took got on the Cinnamon
Wind. At least that city said he was
going to do, and he might just show up at Danny's court and
that'll solve that. Like, well, there he is, you
know, but it's a little odd because he's not in the vision,
the vision that that is told to Danny about or that she has of
all the, you know, dark flame and and cracking and all these
different people coming to her Gray lips, smiling sadly, all
that business, right? He's not in this vision.
So does that mean he's not going to show up?
Does that mean something's going to happen on the way?
Or does that mean maybe just he just wasn't in the vision
because there wasn't room for him?
There's so many people in that vision that didn't have room for
him. But it's been a while too.
He left. I mean, he left at the end of
the piece for Crows and you know Tyrion sailed all the way across
the ocean and. And the Dance with Dragons,
right. Some of that may have been, you
know, concurrent, but still the Victorian sailed all the way
across too, right? Like in that same time.
So we've, we've had multiple characters sail all the way from
Westeros to Slavers Bay and it's not like Tyrion went straight
there. He had all that time in Pentas
and spent time elsewhere, you know, throwing overboard.
Or rather, his companions were thrown over, people he knew were
thrown overboard, all this stuff.
So yeah, what happened tomorrow? Is he missing?
Is he going to turn up later? I mean, it'd be pretty weird if
we never saw or heard from him again, but I definitely wonder
what happened. Still thinking.
In Old Town, we have Leighton Hightower.
We're told he hasn't come down in over 10 years.
So he's not really missing because apparently he's been
there. But.
But it's weird that he's been up there for 10 years without any
word. Yeah, so he's kind of, like
missing from the story and that, like, when's he going to take a,
when's he going to do something? When's he going to have a role?
And what, what is that role going to be and what are we
waiting for? His name's been mentioned a few
times, as well as that of his daughter Matt Melora, who like,
supposedly they're doing spells up there.
And it's kind of strange. The rumors are probably a little
exaggerated, but the question remains, what are they doing?
What's he doing up there? You know what's he working on?
And he has his other children doing things.
One of them is Baylor Bright Smile, AKA Baylor Break Wind.
He is the heir to the Hightower and he's just working on the the
port, like working on working on adding defenses to the port of
Old Town. But his younger brother,
Humphrey Hightower went to lease to hire cell sales.
Now I wonder about Humphrey because one of the reasons he's
going there is to talk to Laness.
Who is her, You know, her husband of Paramore.
I forget what their actual title is.
She has a lot of sway over him and he's rich.
So maybe they can work something out there and that could get
interesting because there's another person over there.
Edrick Storm. Edrick Storm is in lease.
Arguably, he's not missing. He may be just one that Y'all
forgot about, because we've known he's been in lease for a
while. We've known that.
But will he return to claim Storm's End, or will he return
to help fight the others? Because his father was a
warrior. His he he, he takes after Robert
a lot. And if the kingdom's under
threat, what would a son of Robert do?
He's like, I want to join the fight, you know?
So it's interesting to think like maybe he comes back with
the Hightowers. You know, the Hightower is
declared for Renly, so it's not like they have some connection
to Edrick Storm. They're not like, they're not
like Baratheon people. But I mean, it's been a couple
of years. Edrick's probably gotten even
bigger, and he looks a lot like Robert.
In fact, he looks even more like Renly.
So that's what Davos thinks. When he sees him.
He's like, Oh my God, look at that.
He looks so much like a Baratheon.
So Nina thinks that at the end of the series, Edrick Storm will
become a Lord of Storm's End, not Gendry.
So, you know, it's going to be one of the two probably.
I mean, it could be like Mia Stone or something else.
There's other possibilities. But Mia Stone is she's a veil
person. You know, I don't she's who's
less likely. But you know, it's possible and
it could be a king, not a Lord. You know, it could be the first
Baratheon king in in a long time depending on how the what
happens with the Iron Throne. And yeah, and maybe Davos will
be around because, you know, Davos and Edric had a good
relationship and Davos survives. That could be where he ends up
in Edric's court as an advisor, you know.
That could be where he finishes things out.
That'd be a good happy ending for for Davos probably.
Surely would for Edrick. You know, if he's the Lord or
king of of the stormlands at the end it'd be good surviving all
that business. Garmin Hightower and Rayna
Targaryen's kids. This is Garmin himself.
We're not wondering about him and and not so much about Rayna.
Now this is Rayna is in Bayla's twin during the Dance of the
Dragons. After the dance ends, she
marries this Garmin Hightower, which is a sort of a peace
thing, right? To heal the wounds of blacks
versus greens. They have six children 6 he's in
chance. We hear some of them in fire and
blood too, but as of now we don't know anything would happen
to these these Hightower Targaryen children.
But it maybe helps explain why some of the high towers might
look a little Targaryen at least have the silver hair or that
coloring hair so that that could help explain some of that.
It's not super long time ago though, not recent.
We're talking 170 years in the past that those kids were born
roughly. So yeah, interesting sticking
with Targaryens and Dragons. We've already mentioned nettles
and sheep stealer, but there were three other Dragons alive
at the end of the dance besides sheep stealer.
In addition to the lack of info on Reyna and her children there,
we don't know what became of her dragon mourning, right?
She had a dragon. She actually had a pink and
black dragon that survived the dance.
It was too small to really be used in war.
And so alongside her missing children, we don't know what
happened to her dragon, you know, but it definitely died
before 153 because 153 is when the last dragon died.
Of course we also don't know the name of that last dragon, so
it's a missing name. My head cannon is that mourning
was the 2nd last dragon to die, but we don't know why.
Could because magic was waning. And you know, a lot of these
Dragons were less healthy. Could be the Mace or conspiracy.
They were poisoned something like that.
But the problem with the maitre conspiracy, killing off some of
the Dragons like it. It could work for morning and
and the last dragon because they were small and the maitres had
access to them. It doesn't really work as a
solution for what? Why the cannibal and Silverwing
vanished. Cannibal No idea when cannibal
passed but also prior to 153 because of you know well he
wasn't the last dragon. Maybe also cannibal died too.
Magical waning or maybe Cannibal was actually as old as some of
the Wilder rumors suggest and he just died of old age.
Open mystery for sure. Silver Wing Sha's pulling up the
map here and this map has a special familiarity for us.
Red Lake, Why is what is it about Rd.
Red Lake that that has such a connection to you Sha?
Oh, well, on Michael Klarfeld's Reach map specifically, I am
Rose of Red Lake, one of Garth Green Hand's children, one of
his many children, along with other people in the fandom.
But yeah, I'm Rose of Red Lake. So he was like, can you pull up
a map shot of Red Lake? And I was like, actually, yes.
I wouldn't have been able to otherwise.
If you weren't Rose of Red Lake, it wouldn't have been possible.
Yeah, it's perfect match. Rose of Red Lake, I'm going to
say, has red hair. And yeah, it's a great, great
fit for that. Turn into a bird.
Yeah. So yeah, Roosevelt Red Lake was
supposedly able to turn into a bird, which usually that rumor
is means they were a skin changer, right?
Having control over an animal's often kind of how that is
expressed. So Silverwing chose a great
location around some skin changer houses perhaps, I don't
know. Red Lake is maybe like a
microcosm of the God's eye because there was a lot of
stories about magic of the old gods and and skin changing that
are associated with Red Lake. And there's an island in the
center of it, which is where Silver Wing made her home and
apparently passed over. You know, eventually just ate
fish and animals and just got left alone and eventually died.
But apparently before 153, which yeah, don't know why she died.
That wouldn't have been a super long lifespan.
Silver Wing was born in the what, in the 20s or 30s, I
forget. So maybe 130 year lifespan or
something like that. Next up we have Ray and Dayela,
or sorry, Daya, Daya as we say, according thanks to the
pronunciation guide provided to us by Chloe of Girls Gone
Cannon. Yeah.
That That's Daya. Like paella.
That's right, a delicious Targaryen.
That's right. So of course these are the also
the sisters of Amon, Maester, Amon and Daron, the drunkard and
Aryan bride Flame. Because of course, those that's
egg, Those are Egg's brothers. So there were, there were six
siblings there. Daya was the 4th, Ray was the
6th. So you got three boys, then
Daella, and then, then then Egg, then Ray.
They both married and had no children or had children,
plural. So we both Daella and Ray had
children, plural. But we have no idea who they
married or how many children they had or what became of those
children. So it's kind of a missing piece
of the Targaryen family tree. None of them would have been
named Targaryen. So that's why maybe it's not, It
wouldn't necessarily be they're not Targaryen, but they have
Targaryen bloodlines that went out there somewhere and not that
long ago, right? Eamon, when he's dying, thinks
of he wishes he could see Rey and Daella with their children,
right. That's what he's just thinking
of what he'll see. So they they have clearly passed
by then too. But he's expecting to see them
in the afterlife or something like that.
So open question, what happened to them?
But there's also when we do hear the stories, like filling some
of these, the stories of these characters out a bit.
There's got to be a reason why Egg married Betha instead of
Diana, because that's what was expected.
Rey specifically gave a love potion to Egg so that she'd
marry hit her instead of Dale. So that was clearly the
expectation for a while there. But that, you know, instead
Black Betha happened probably because they fell in love and
they accepted that marriage and their love because Egg was so
far down the line of succession at the time.
Now obviously that changed, but that's why he's called Egg on
the Unlikely, Megor and De Nora Targaryen, not Megor the Cruel.
We know exactly what happened to him, although we don't know who
killed him or why he died. We know where it happened.
This is the child of Aryan, right?
Flame who was who was passed over at the Great Council.
Not Aryan passed over, but Megor baby Megor.
It was passed over in part because he was a baby, but also
because of who his father was. They're like, well, if he was an
adult and he had shown he wasn't insane like his father, maybe.
But the coin flip hasn't happened yet.
The darker coin flip hasn't happened when you're only a baby
because, well, maybe it has happened, it just hasn't
manifested yet. So you know that's that's a
thing. And his mother, De Nora, who was
the third child of a third child, was the one married to
Arian and she disappears after Arian's death.
We don't know what happened to her.
She doesn't apparently remarry and we didn't exactly know much
about her before that. So yeah, another historical
female character that kind of vanishes.
And that's another missing character.
This is, this is right along with Ray and Daela.
These are same timeline, basically.
So when these stories get filled out, I guess the plan would be
during Duncan egg. This is apparently we could
expect to get answers if these stories are ever written, but
that is where they would fall. There's also Vayela who was born
before these characters but only 10 or 11 years before Megor.
So this would have been another young Targaryen.
Now she was the daughter of Kiara of Tyrosh and Daron the
Drunkard. Remember this is Kiara's second
Targaryen marriage. She was first married to Valar
and then Valar died in the great Spring Sickness.
She remarried to Daron Vale of Targaryen.
This child of of Kiara and Daron was considered sweet and simple
minded. So she was alive at the time of
the Great Council, but she was passed over.
She was only, you know, like I said, 10 or 11 years old.
So she wasn't very old, but also not seemingly not.
It wasn't because she was a girl, although that didn't help.
She was, like I said, simple minded, but also too young.
So yeah, now sadly, Vella Megor de Nora.
There's a pretty straightforward potential fate for them.
And some of these others like Ray de Ella, some of their
children, Summerhall might have done for all of them, probably
not all, but maybe quite a few of them, cause a lot of the
Targaryen family was apparently present for that.
It was super tragic and well some of them had to have been
there, right. So probably the fates of some of
these characters is is Summerhall, but it's also kind
of unlikely that all of them died there.
So he's got maybe a few dangling threads here and there, some
other Targaryen that might have been around.
Sierra Seastar, another example of a character we don't want to
spend much time on because she got her own episodes to check
out the Sierra Seastar episode, but we just don't know what
happened to her. Bloodraven went missing in World
and then forgotten about because so much time passed.
We don't know if people look for her or whether she just vanished
or whether she died and they just said, OK, she's dead, so
have a funeral. But she might have also been a
summer hall. That's a slight possibility.
And she wouldn't have been. She would have been kind of old,
but not super old. She would have been in like her
70s, but we just have no idea what happened to her.
Similarly, we have no idea what happened to quite a few
different Blackfires. There's big gaps in the family
tree. We don't even know how many
Blackfires were missing, but there's some that were for sure
are missing. So let's focus on those.
Daemon Blackfyre's first five sons are known.
They have names and all that, but we don't even have the names
of the 6th and 7th sons of Daemon.
And there's at least one accounted for daughter as well,
because he had daughters. We know of Cala Blackfyre, who
married Bitter Steel, so there's at least one more daughter,
maybe just one, but maybe multiples.
George did say Cala Blackfyre and Bitter Steel didn't have
children. I personally asked him that
question, so I'm pretty sure about that.
Although George did say I don't think so, So he kind of left the
door open to change his mind. But that's probably a dead end.
So it's possible that these other sons had more children
than ones of Damon's first five sons, but not the first five.
The only of the first five who had sons was Hagan.
So Amon and Aegon, the twin sons were died on the red grass
field. Way too young to have had kids.
Damon, the 2nd we see him in the mystery night, he didn't have
kids. And then the fifth one was
Aenis, the one that was invited to make his case for the Great
Council. Then Bloodraven seized him and
executed him. There's no indication he was
married either. Hagan, who was the claimant for
the third black fire rebellion and he was the 4th son of Damon,
definitely had children. One of them was named Damon.
That kid was the 4th Blackfyre claimant that Damon who was
killed by Dunk. So there may, like I said, that
Damon may have also had kids, but Hagan definitely had at
least one more son. So again there's the 6th and
seven sons of Damon Blackfyre and then maybe more from Hagan.
Those children somehow had more kids and this led to Meili's the
monstrous eventually and Meili's killed his cousin.
Another Damon for control of the golden Company says that Damon
was a descendant of these these people as well and one of the
black fires had filed teeth that was one of the because of the
the skull we see as part of their you know next to bitter
steel and these other skulls. So that's an interesting
character. We I'd like to learn more about
him and why he filed his teeth, and I guess he used them as a
weapon or just to intimidate people.
But goodness, that's scary. The mother of all black fires is
kind of missing, too. This is Dana the Defiant.
We don't know much about her at all.
I really hope George flushes this out.
She might have been anything from the primary driver of her
son's ambitions to dead before the Black fire rebellion ever
began. That's how little we know about
her, that these are both possibilities and those are
pretty distinct differences, right?
There's a there's a wide range of options there.
Nina guesses that Dana died relatively early.
Elena, her sister, was described as living quote much longer than
her sisters. But Elena lived into her 70s, so
there's still a lot of room for like Dana to have lived into her
40s, even 50s. That's 20 years, 30 years longer
than than Dana. So Dana is one of the bigger
characters we have here that could have a big impact on what
we know about the Black Fire rebellions if more gets revealed
and if Black Fire Balance ever hits TV, which it's not a
slender hope, it's a very decent chance we get that.
Ryan Condell's a huge fan of it. House of the Dragon might go
there one day, you know, because it's an anthology style show
they will have to flesh out. Then they do fine.
They might decide just have her die early.
But it's a really good chance to have a strong female character
at court that a lot of, there's a lot of potential for people to
like her A lot. She's like a character that has
a lot of potential I think for being popular.
You know, in which that's going to be something HBO and Ryan
Condell, whoever works on the show, is going to be like, yeah,
we want to this is a good character.
Let's make use of her. So I I've got a lot of hope that
we will see her. And it's an interesting hope
because it's, you know, George maybe doesn't have time to flesh
all this out. So we might be more likely to
see her on TV than we are to get the fleshed out book version of
her. But hopefully we get both.
We briefly transitioned to the Iron Islands because we don't
have a lot of missing characters here to talk about.
In fact, we only have one at the moment and then some follow up
later. That's Aaron.
He's not actually missing from our perspective.
We know he's strapped to the the prow of the silence or silence.
It's not the silence, it's just silence and probably going to
die there, right? Like, it doesn't seem like he's
going to get out of that predicament.
But he's missing by the perspective of the Iron Islands.
Like no one on the Iron Islands knew where he went.
He was kidnapped. This is a good example of
someone taken by force in secret and they're all like, oh, he's
doing his thing, We don't know he's he's going to re emerge one
day and etcetera. But no, he's not going to re
emerge one day. Only Christopher Botley, of all
people, has guessed correctly of what happened to him.
He guesses that err on his dead already, which, yeah, he's not
too far off on that because he probably is about to be.
And that's probably coming very soon because yeah, the next time
we see Aaron will probably be his last chapter.
It seems unlikely that he'll have another one, and he might
not even have another one. But I do think we'll have one
more. Exactly one more.
Slaver's Bay, Daenerys. She's missing.
We know where she is, kinda. She's on her version of
Dragonstone in the middle of the dress, Raki C, which is
enormous, an enormous place. But more importantly, within the
narrative, she's missing to the Mirronese and the youngkish and
the Astapori, and her absence and fears of her death are
causing a lot of chaos. Barristan is acting as if she's
alive. Good for him.
He's holding on to hope. He's being loyal, doing what a
good night should do. Meanwhile, other people all
throughout these cities are acting as if she's dead,
gambling that she's dead, or holding out hope.
And it's just a big variety, and it's just causing a lot of
anxiety within the city. Some people like, when's she
going to come back? We need her to return.
Where's our mother? Some people are like, kind of
what would seem realistic is that she's not.
They're like, yeah, I mean, she flew away.
Like, that doesn't look good. Like, are we, are we going to
ever see her again? It's been so long.
With each passing day, it gets less likely that she's going to
return. So her being missing is causing
a lot of problems. Just her.
Her lack of presence is driving a lot of the story from the Povs
we see through Barristan and basically we're starting to see
Povs outside of Marine in the Bay.
And you know, as the battle is raging with Tyrion and maybe
Victorian as well as just now, shit what he has just showed up.
It remains to be seen what his PO VS will reveal as far as
Daenerys and and that plot line, but he's there.
His his chapters could involve this, reveal some of this, but
the biggest name was in there, like I said, is Tyrion.
The major POV character. He's missing too, right?
We again know where he is. He's right in that tent with the
Second Sons, but everyone in Westeros thinks he's missing.
He escaped from prison, and a lot of people want him found.
Many of those simply because there's a reward.
They want to collect that reward.
But if Cersei loses power, that reward offer becomes worthless.
Like she can't reward give a lordship to someone when she's
no longer on the throne. So she's used his absence as a
boogeyman. Kind of like how Danny's absence
is driving a lot of story. Cersei's capitalizing on it by
blaming him for things she's like.
She plans on having Tristane killed and blame it on Tyrion,
right? But not just does she?
Part of the reason she's doing this is because she sees him as
a boogeyman and believes other people will too.
She's legitimately scared of what he's going to do and she's
probably right to be scared because he does want revenge.
And he said some nasty things about his intent towards her
When he gets a chance, he's a he's an exile, he's the monster
they made him into. And he's got powerful and
dangerous allies. Yeah, she should be worried
about what he's going to do in general and to her.
So in order to make him into more of a monster, to make him
into somebody that no one will follow, she's demonizing him
further by saying, look, he's killing the heir to Dorne, look
at these things, or the secondary heir to Dorne and all
these other things, so blah blah, blah.
I guess tertiary heir, really. He's the third, third in line.
But still, that's a Prince of Dorne.
It's a big deal. You know, she's trying to keep
Doran as an ally while not being as close of an ally.
And you, by blaming it on someone who's not there, they're
not going to. It's not going to work, I don't
think. I don't even think Christine
will die, because of course Doran knows about the plan.
He's the one that tells us about it.
So yeah, Christine will be fine, at least as far as that plot
goes. He might be in danger like 5
minutes later. But yeah, so you see, it isn't
just the Starks. It's a huge chunk of the major
characters, POV or not. Some that aren't missing were
missing at one point. Like, where did Stannis go?
He disappeared from even Dragons.
Oh, there he is, He's at the wall.
Theon went missing for several books.
Yeah, he's in the dread fork dungeons, but no one, like
almost no one in the world knew that.
Only like like Ramsay or Ruse told Catelyn and she maybe told
a few people, but she was told at the Red Wedding when did she
when, what time was there for her to spread that information?
You know, right before that right?
So it wasn't really publicized very much.
Major non POV characters, an example of his virus.
Virus went missing after Tyrion's disappearance because
he helped Tyrion disappear and he knew he would be incriminated
in that. He's pretty much still missing,
even though we finally see where he appeared out of the the
passages to pop up in the Tower of the Hand to shoot Kevin and
then presumably go back into the shadows where he's continuing to
operate. But he was missing for several
books there. We didn't see him at all.
Well, book and a half, basically all of a dance until the last
chapter and all of the Feast for Crows.
Euron was missing for a long time.
I think this is a big part of his story is that he was exiled
and then returned at a very opportune time that he probably
planned, which involved the murder of his brother.
So to be fair, in a world, in a low tech world like this, a
giant world. With humongous world building
and as well as just the size of the continents, it's not that
hard to go missing if you have. It only takes modest means to go
into hiding. Although it is harder when
people are looking for you, Powerful people are looking for
you. Related to Tyrion is Maccoro.
I don't mean they are related like their family, like Maccoro
is some long lost Lannister. He's on Victorian ship.
We know exactly where he is, but I included him here because he
went overboard while with Tyrion and Jorah and Penny and it's
going to blow Tyrion's mind when he sees them again.
He's like, holy crap, how are you alive?
You went missing in the middle of the ocean.
It's not something where you can just like, explain it away like,
oh, he probably wait, no, how how is this possible?
How did he live? It's going to change Tyrion's
mind on some things. I think Tyrion, among all the
characters, is one of the most skeptical about magic, is one of
the most disbelief. He he calls them snarks and
grumpkins. You know, he doesn't really
believe a lot of this, and that's interesting because he
has this fascination with Dragons and all that.
So he's he's, he's open to the supernatural when it when
they're in that form. But in terms of like, ghosts and
demons and the others and things like that, he he, he kind of
laughs at it, which of course he's wrong to do that, which is
ironic because he's one of the more intelligent, more educated
characters. But this alone has the chance to
move the needle for him. Just seeing Maccoro alive like
that has to be supernatural. He's not going to have an
ordinary, mundane explanation for that.
And of course, Maccoro would say the same.
He's like, yeah, the Lord of Light protected me and then blah
blah, blah. And he's like, if the
circumstances were different here, he'd be like, yeah, yeah,
sure, the Lord of Light protected you, blah, blah, blah.
But this one, he's like, no, really seems like, how did you
not die of thirst and exposure? Like he was out there for 10
days? Like, yeah, that's not normal.
That's not natural. Melisandre could have survived
that, too, given what we know about her.
But that's clearly supernatural. So this is maybe more like
Stannis seeing Davos again. Like, Oh my God, I thought you
were dead. Except it won't be, it won't be
pleasant. It won't be as like it won't be
like, oh, my God, my best friend's alive.
You know, Taryn, Davos and Stannis are like besties, but
for Tyrion. Tyrion's not Makoro's bestie.
He'll be, like, freaked out rather than happy, you know?
So, and Stannis already has a red priest who who disabused him
of of disbelief in magic. Stannis also was like, I didn't
really believe in the gods. He was like ash, these are just
things people say, you know, But Stannis has seen shadow babies
and seen things in the flames and all these other things.
So his disbelief is is is long gone and I think Tyrion is on
that same path of a disbeliever who's going to believe.
Speaking of Maccoro, the place he is is Victorian's fleet who
have some missing of their own, don't they?
What happened to all of those ships, a lot of Venice ships, so
many that we are a little suspicious now If 1020, even 30
ships were missing, it's a dangerous journey.
They went through Sartorius, they went to some really
difficult places. So yeah, some ships missing
makes sense, but it's like 50, 40 something ships.
It's so many that you got to wonder like maybe some of them
just didn't want to go. They just took, they just said
screw it, I'm not going, but it's suspicious and a large
percentage of the missing ones went missing down in Sothorio,
so that could be indication of something that happened down
there. Anyway, I wanted to include
them. No names in this.
We we have ship names maybe, but we don't have people names.
So let's just acknowledge that Victorian's fleet, the Iron
Fleet might be some extra ships out there somewhere.
I don't really believe in the Euron theory that Euron they
were going back to go to Euron, but that's a it's a legitimate
place for them to go if they get lost and they're like we got to
go back, they would go back home and thus be under Euron's
command again. But I don't suppose that's a
large number of them. Speaking of sailing, Speaking of
places that Tyrion and Maccoro went, they passed by Valyria,
right? They they went near it.
And quite a few people have claimed to go to Valyria or or
actually have gone maybe, but we have.
We actually see in the distance in that Tyrion chapter and
Tyrion's uncle Jerry and Lannister sailed to Valyria to
search for bright roar after their ancestor King Tommen
sailed there with bright roar and never returned.
So he was a missing person who became a missing brother.
This is Benjenish, where one person goes missing, another
person goes to search after them and also goes missing.
So that is basically the story of Jerian and Tom and Lannister
before him. I don't think we'll ever hear
what happened to them. There's a lot of theories about
Jerian being like the Shrouded Lord or some other things like
that. I don't know.
I kind of doubt I think he's gone, I think he's dead, but I
would like to know the circumstances of it.
I would like to know, you know, I would like follow up
regardless and to hear maybe the the the volunteers mess with
him. We talk about that in the Loss
Valyrian steel episode. Like maybe they were welcoming
to his endeavor only because they saw it as an opportunity to
rip him off. Rohan Weber.
That's right. Pretty big missing person from
the Duncan egg era. After marrying Eustace Webber at
the end of the sworn sword she later remarries to Gerald the
Golden Lannister. Now Gerald the Golden, that's
that's Tywin's grandfather and they have kids together.
Then one day, less than a year after her fourth child with
Gerald, she had more than four children but four with Gerald,
she up and disappears under mysterious quote under
mysterious circumstances in the year 230.
So 2:30. That's three years before the
Great Council, still during the reign of Makar, right.
So unless she was murdered or something, it's clear that this
is a a big old fat gardener seed planted by George to tackle
during the Duncan egg era, I suppose.
But it says disappears under mysterious circumstances.
So I don't doesn't sound like a murder sounds like, but it might
be you know it's an interesting time for them right.
So three years before he becomes king.
So there's a little it might be the last Duncan egg tale before
egg is a king. And that obviously would change
the the direction of the Duncan egg novels.
But they they could you know they'd still be cool and still
have lots of things they could do.
But it would be Egg is King and it wouldn't be wandering around
anymore. So that's a different, like a
different vibe there. And yeah, so.
It would be Dunk King Egg. Dunking Egg.
Nice. Now, Speaking of Lannister's
Taisha, big name Tyrion met her when he was 13 and she was 14,
so she would be about 28 or so now.
Tyrion constantly thinks of her, but I don't think we'll ever see
her. I don't think we're meant to.
I don't think there's a narrative purpose to her
appearing. I do say that with the the
caveat that I'm not a writer, I'm narrative purposes.
That's the province of writers, of someone, George, you know.
But still, you know, as a reader you can kind of get a sense of
what would make sense and what wouldn't.
And yeah, I don't think so. His father's cruelty to the
entire family is part of the story here.
Like how Tywin made Jamie complicit in it.
He forced him to be part of this awful thing.
And Tyrion? He forced Tyrion into it.
But it was Tyrion still participated.
You know, it's part of Tyrion's own darkness by being brought
into it. Part of it was choice, part of
it was compulsion. And it's the focal point of
Tywin's death scene when Tywin is shot by Tyrion.
It's it comes down to this insistence on referring to her
as a whore, which she definitely wasn't.
Like, this is, that was the lie that Tywin forced Tyrion to
believe the trick Tyrion to believe.
And it's the reveal of this lie that has Tyrion so mad.
Yet Tywin, just to his face, insists on maintaining that lie
even though the lie has been completely outed.
He's like, I know the truth. You paid for this.
You arranged for this, you know? Or that that story about you
paying for it was made-up at post facto to because you, in
your paranoid, you know view of the low born, assume that no, it
must have been because she was after Lannister gold.
It couldn't have been because she was into you.
Like what? Thanks for the vote of
confidence, dad. You know, it's brutal all
around. His attitude towards it, his
handling of it and the impact it has on, yes, Jamie and Tyrion.
But on Taisha, the one who is the hidden character, the one
who we don't see the impact on her, right.
We don't know what happened. We don't know if she's even
still alive, That many people think she's the Titan's
daughter. I don't think she's the Titan's
daughter. That seems so random to me.
You know, she didn't have the money.
She didn't get paid. It was sufficient money to leave
Westeros, which you might see why she would want to go
somewhere else and never be there again.
I hope she went somewhere nice, like the Arbor, and not in the
areas that Euron's men have raided.
Obviously I don't want her to be there, somewhere nice, you know,
maybe she could have a retirement and peace, I don't
know. It's so hard to predict head
cannon that I hope something nice happened to her.
But if she does reappear, if I'm wrong and she does reappear, my
best guess is that it's the same thing as Dunk in that Dunk
doesn't find Tanzel. And of course Dunk and Tanzel's
relationship is nothing with Tyrion and Taisha's, but the the
the the difficulty of them finding each other is somewhat
similar. And of course, Taisha may not
want to find Tyrion. In fact, I doubt that she does.
But if she does, it would be because Tyrion is now Lord of
casted Rock. He's returned from exile.
He's becomes Lord of casted Rock.
Then it's easy to find him. She knows where he is.
If she wants to go, say, hey, she wants to go yell at him.
She wants to poison his wine. She'll know where he is, you
know? But this seems like a thing that
would happen beyond A Song of Ice and Fire, like afterwards,
like in the aftermath that we wouldn't necessarily have time
for. It is a dream of spring and
beyond thing, if that. Maybe.
Maybe it's a thing that we leave Tyrion with that he thinks about
trying to find her. He's like, hey, now I'm Lord of
Castley Rock, the war's over. Maybe I could track down Taisha
and, you know, apologize or something.
I don't know what he would want to do, but an apology would
certainly be part of it. But it's not something that
could be like how we leave him. You know, we it stays.
She stays a missing person even at the end of the story,
although the the door is open for maybe him finding her, it's
possible. I don't know.
Taisha's a big one though. Taisha's one of the biggest
missing characters even though we don't expect to see her, but
because of such a she has such a huge impact on not just Tyrion
but all the Lannisters. Less so Cersei, but, but even
her like, it comes up because Cersei like throws it in
Tyrion's face like, oh, you shamed us all with that
marriage, blah, blah, blah. So in the Stormlands, not a lot
of Stormlands characters that are explicitly tied to the
Stormlands. We got one here that I want to
mention. That's Rhaegar's second Squire,
Richard Lawnmouth. Now, Rhaegar's first Squire was
Miles Mouton. Miles Mouton was killed during
the rebellion. So there's he's not missing.
But Richard Lawnmouth, there's no fate recorded for him.
And he's an interesting one because at the attorney of
Harrenhall he was seen drinking and playing, playing a drinking
game with Robert Baratheon. And both of them, Robert and
Richard promised to unmask the Night of the Laughing Tree when
he put out his calls. Like Unmask the Night of the
Laughing Tree. This is no friend of mine.
Yeah, Richard Launmuth was one of the people who said I'll do
it. Of course he didn't.
It was Rhaegar apparently. But Mira refers to Richard
Launmuth as the Knight of Sculls and Kisses due to his sigil.
And the twist is, who did he fight for in the Rebellion?
Is this a Stormlands guy? You'd think he would fight for
Robert, but he was Rhaegar Squire and he was still Rhaegar
Squire. He wasn't.
Wasn't like after being Rhaegar Squire, it was still like in
progress. So that's a tough choice.
That's like, who do you fight for?
Like, this is a good example of someone that had a really,
really tough decision to make. Like Stannis.
Like a few others, Like the the well, like a few others.
Lots of examples of people who had a tough choice there.
I just can't think of one on top of my head.
And there's a popular theory proposed by Lady Gwen that
Richard Lawnmouth is none other than Lem Lemon Cloak.
You can I I highly suggest you read it.
Just Google Lem Lemon Cloak Richard Lawnmouth and you'll
find it. And Lady Gwen goes into a lot of
the details to show why they have things in common, physical
characteristics, things like that.
And the important part, the narrative purpose.
Why would he be alive? Well, because Richard Lawnmouth
would have been there for Liana's abduction for a lot of
things that happened between Rhaegar and Liana.
So he's another character that whose important to the narrative
is very much wrapped in being a witness to Rhaegar Liana's
stuff. He might have even gone with
Rhaegar to the Tower of Joy. He's a Squire, right?
Yeah, it's entirely possible. So this guy could know a lot.
And if he is Lem, lemon cloak, well then there you go.
And if he's not Lemon Cloak, he might be alive and out there
somewhere. So well yeah, it's a big one.
That's one of the more obscure ones.
But he has information that might be on the level of nearly
on the level of a Willa or or a Benjamin couple, other last
random ones we have here. And then some comments from
Y'all because you'll have some good suggestions, I'm assuming.
I haven't had the chance to look through them yet since they're
they were added to the document during this episode, but I
assume so. The sorcerer who cut Varys, Good
example, one that we probably won't see.
Almost certainly you aren't going to see or hear about or
anything like that. He may not even exist, as we
talked about in our Varys education episode.
He might be entirely made-up and he was already a man grown
probably older, when Varys was young.
So very good chance this person's dead even of old age or
or what have you. But I thought he was worth a
mention. He's he was on our mind because
of the virus episode was recent and you know he's somebody that
we don't have a fate for Quaith. The bigger question about Quaith
is who she is or what her deal is.
She may not be someone else even though she's masked and we're
curious and her location is probably just somewhere in
Karth. But her interest in Danny and
the fact that she appears in at least one dream is like, well,
where where is she doing this from?
If she's got, like, a glass candle that's enabling her to
appear in dreams? Well, where is it?
Where is this glass candle room? What does it look like?
Like, Is this like a sorceress, you know, chamber?
Like, yeah, I'm curious about that.
Or is she following Danny? Like, is she actually trying to
be in her proximity for later deeds?
Is she trying to, like, show up and give her advice?
You know, 'cause she's trying to guide her through dreams?
Why not in person? You know, Quafe is a one of the
more mysterious characters there is and right now we don't know
exactly where she is so I thought she was worth a mention
here. Even if the bigger part of her
role is is better discussed elsewhere, there are always more
characters one could consider missing, given it can be a
matter of perspective. Again, I I use a very wide open
definition of missing here and you could certainly have taken
it a little wider or picked on some that I didn't think of.
The unnamed Princess of Dorne. What's her deal?
We haven't even we don't even know her name.
Like, that's Elia and Oberyn and Doran's mother.
And she was the ruling lady of Doran.
Brandon LED and Brandon LED. Brandon, Ned, Liana, Benjen's
mother. That's Rickard's wife, Liara.
We know she's dead, but what happened to her?
We we they don't think about her, you know, Not that Ned
thinks about much of his family. Ned doesn't think about his his
own father either. So it's not like he just doesn't
think about a lot of his past. Ned just yeah, his past is
painful. He just stays out of there.
There's telling examples, like why is the Iron Bank never
mentioned in Aria's chapters? That's more like a missing thing
that's meant to keep build the mystery.
I think you know why is Daenerys never mentioned in Davos and
Melisandre's chapters? Probably for similar reason.
It's something the lines of it's not time yet for that.
They haven't learned about it yet, and George hasn't decided
that it's time for them to learn about it yet.
And it's it's not like this doesn't make sense.
Stannis and Melisandre are so far away, out of out of where
you would be getting news about the rest of the world right now.
You know, there's children of like Bayla and Oakenfist.
We'll wonder about them. But that'll also probably get
covered in fire and blood, too. We could get really obscure,
really ultra obscure, like we joke about bears and Marmont
women. But hey, where's the male dire
wolf that fathered all those Stark wolves?
Right? Where's the dad?
Where's Papa Dire wolf at? He's probably still out there,
right? It wasn't an Immaculate
Conception of a, of a lady direwolf, was it?
I mean, maybe it was. That would make it even more
mystery and supernatural element this year.
Like, the gods really are playing a role here.
They're immaculately concepting direwolf here to give these to
the kids. Yeah.
And so one of the one of the tricks with this episode was
it's sometimes it's easy, like it's some of these mysteries are
prominent, but it's not always easy to tell what's not there.
Like when something's missing, you don't always notice it's
missing, you know? So I'm again, this is my caveat
from quite sure we missed some Please let us know who we
missed. Let's start here with some of
these examples sent in during the episode here we've got
cannibal the dragon says. Did you guys talk about Alice
Rivers and her unnamed baby and the dragon?
She may have no see. Good example.
That's a big one that I didn't mention.
And you're in a house strong shirt.
I'm even wearing a house strong shirt.
Dang it. So yeah, what happened to her,
like Fire and Blood 2 is that should cover that.
But it it's like that narrative is kind of dropped near the end
of the book. Like Alice Rivers was like
defeated, the challenge to her holding Heronhall and there's no
follow up on it. And she said she had a baby with
Amon. That might just be a lie but
what about the dragon? Maybe that was an illusion, but
jeez, yeah, there's a lot of mysteries there and part of them
are just as where is Alice Rivers?
What happened to her? So yeah good call good proof of
of the of the my point that there's just too many of these
to keep track of them all Egret Warewood says.
Didn't Maester Wally's get a mention that's Winterfell's
maester before Lewin. I don't consider him missing.
I did dig into this our good friend Laura Brondos brought him
up to shout out to Laura Facebook mod and I believe she's
still a mod on the on the subreddit as well and he simply
Maester Lewin just takes over and I in in the year 283 so I I
think that's just cause Maester Wells died he just his time his
term ended because he passed but if not then it is a mystery.
If I'm wrong about that then what happened to him where did
he go Why why did he leave Winterfell cause usually they
just stay there and it's their job until they die.
Or why was he recalled if he was swapped out for some reason So
yeah it's a potential and if he did die before though that means
he his his father. If his father is Arch Mester
Walgrave, then he out the Walgrave outlived him.
But Walgrave is like senile now, so we we don't know what the
deal there is. Guilty Undertaker says.
Did the ultimate question did Ashara Dane change her name to
Gianna and did she marry Howlin Reid?
Well second time I've had a call to mention Chloe of Girls Gone
Can and that's one of her favorite theories.
But personally I don't think so. But I can't say no, I can't say
it's impossible. Ashara Dane is arguably belongs
in the missing category. We never found a body.
She jumped out the window, we're told.
But there's no body. You know, the body, the the pale
stone sword tower is over the sea.
So we wouldn't expect a body, but it's possible she's alive,
you know? Yeah, I'd say I'm in the same
boat as Aziz and that, you know, I I just don't buy the theory
really. But I can't fully rule it out.
I wouldn't call it crackpot. I wouldn't go that far, but I
wouldn't consider it likely in my own estimation.
More than that, I would say I don't want it to be true.
Like I don't find great meaning or like narrative significance
or I I don't know. I it doesn't do much for me.
So I don't find myself wanting it, if you know what I mean.
Like I like the tragedy more of her having killed herself.
I don't like it, but I I like it on a narrative sense more.
I don't know. Yeah, that, that.
That's to be clear when I I say what I think about it, I think
it's just I'm looking at what it means for the story to bring it
back to what what we cited from Nina to start things off.
Why would this character come back?
What's the meaning, What's the narrative purpose?
And I don't think Ashar is really necessary in order to
know John's heritage or anything.
We named quite a few characters in this episode alone that can
fill that out. Bran.
Willa Richard Lawnmouth Benjen. Yeah, there's a lot of people
that might know that. So we don't necessarily need
Ashara to be for that, although. And there's other Danes alive
that might know, like Elyria Dane who was married to
betrothed to Barrack Donderian. Or were they actually married?
Either. It doesn't matter whether
they're married or betrothed. I think they were just
betrothed. The point is, she should still
be out there, you know. Arguably she's considered
missing. Probably not missing, though
she's probably just at Starfall. Nothing too strange about that.
But still, she's relevant to this greater discussion about
who knows things about the Tower of Joy or the things that came
up before it. And we will eventually return to
this because one of the other topics episodes it was voted on
was The Abduction of Leanna. So you'll see some of these
names come back sometime in 2024.
We do not currently have that one on the schedule, but it will
be this year. Next week is Lomas Long Strider.
You know, it's an episode that I wanted to do for a long time.
I thought I would script it and I had trouble.
I've been had trouble writing it.
So we're not going to do it as a scripted episode.
We're going to do it as a hybrid, partly scripted, partly
discussion. And I think it works better as a
discussion episode because, well, because there's so many,
so many unknowns and just comparisons to the real world.
Yeah, just things to throw out and have fun with.
So we're looking forward to that.
I hope you are too. Our trivia question today was
Rhaegar Frey is the brother of Aegon Frey, Son of Annie's Frey.
Yeah. And what was the name of his
son? Robert?
It's like this guy had a sense of humor.
He's like, he is named Rhaegar and he named his.
He's named after Prince Rhaegar, and he named his son after the
guy who killed his namesake. More than a sense of humor, I
think he has a sense of of desperation and be like I am not
going to be looked kindly upon by this administration.
I really need to do anything I can to Curry his favor and to
not have him like like, oh Rhaegar Fray kill him.
There's also a Cersei Fray from a different branch.
Yeah, yeah. So like, you can see.
It speaks to the back of the phrase as a whole, for multiple
generations have just been trying to Curry favor.
Yeah, they just blow where the wind is blowing, yeah.
They just do that, period. But I think this Rhaegar Fray
really needed to do this. Yeah, yeah.
And Rhaegar isn't young. That's that's all you're right.
Like these, these, these names were definitely given during the
Targaryen era. Like, so yeah, but Rhaegar ended
up in a pie. Despite all his efforts to be on
the right side, He ended up in a pie.
So you know, that's what happens.
And Annie's ended up in a pit and Aegon is outlaw living
somewhere. So yeah, other episodes that
pertain to this one, there's a so many connection points made
in this one, maybe more than any other episode we've ever done.
Craster and the Cold Gods. We talked about him in relation
to Benjen. We talked about the Golden
Company in relation to several missing black fires and all that
including Bitter Steel and Calla and others House Dane episodes
one and two, mostly episode one because that's where we focused
on the characters which gets into, you know, Illyria and
Edrick and some of these others. We talked about Shira Seastar or
we didn't go into too much detail because she has her own
episode, The future of Duncan Egg.
We had to did a whole episode with Stefan Sasa, but Sean was a
part of that. We went into all sorts of
predictions and and what might happen in the future of that
series. That includes a lot of the
characters you mentioned today. Our good friend Tommy Pappas
came on for an episode called Lost Valyrian Steel where we
discussed characters like Jerian and Tommen and other characters
that were associated with Lost Valyrian Steel items like
Aegon's Crown and things like that.
Our Victorian Wins of Winter Chapter deals with Mukoro and
the Being Lost and Euron and the Missing ships Sansa's.
The Wins of Winter Chapter deals with characters like the Mad
Mouse and Miranda Royce, who might know who she is, as well
as just being a really fun chapter.
Mercy. Ditto.
That's where RAF the Sweetling goes missing.
Cause Mercy kills him, and we continue along the strange and
curious pattern of Aria's chapters, never mentioning the
Iron Bank. We did an episode on Lease,
which we also have a mention of Edric Storm, Laura Rogare, and a
variety of other characters we talk about.
We have an episode on the Step Stones that includes mention of
a lot of these different naval fleets that are relevant now or
in the past, including Salador, Sun and Orane Waters.
Rob's Will episode, fairly recent one that we talked a lot
about Galbert, Glover, Mage, Mormont, Ned's Bones and a lot
of related topics there, including Harold Reed Blackfish
episode talks about where he might be now, his role in the
future of the story. Ditto the clans of the Veil.
What might be, what might be see from Shagga and Timit and in the
future? Plus what about their past?
What happened in the past? What about the the history of
the clans and the and and versus the end alls and things like
that. We have an episode on Dragons
that we did during Fire and Blood that gets into a lot of
these details and discusses some of these missing Dragons in
greater context or with different details during their
lives. And of course, Dance of the
Dragons scripted series with Radio Westeros, where a lot of
these characters are mentioned and quite a bit more.
So you can dial in in a lot of places, stay immersed in
Westeros past, present and future.
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She weighed in on quite a few of the characters here and gave
good takes as regards to narrative purpose and potential
for characters to reappear and a happy belated.
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Is Sunday so. That's right.
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