1 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:52,720 A large number of characters have gone missing during A Song 2 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,000 of Ice and Fire, and in The Histories. 3 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,680 Missing is a word with a wide variety of meanings, though, and 4 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,720 we're going to try to apply as many of those definitions as 5 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,640 possible. Tyrek is an example of a 6 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,080 straightforward missing person, while Taisha is missing from the 7 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:08,880 narrative. Well, she's included, but we 8 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,080 haven't seen her on page. She's only been talked about, 9 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,200 thought about, etcetera. Whether it's a character whose 10 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:17,360 location we simply don't know because they're elusive like the 11 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,240 Blackfish, though we do have a general idea, or because we they 12 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,520 might be dead. Like Benjamin Stark, we also 13 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:26,280 have a general idea of where he is but needs to be narrowed down 14 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:27,480 quite a bit. Or both. 15 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:31,360 Like Stone Snake, who's also beyond the wall will cover the 16 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,800 details of their absence and their outlook in that regard. 17 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,080 As to whether they might be found, what that might mean for 18 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,920 the story. Some have run off on their own 19 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:45,040 accord, others may be seized against their will, and others 20 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,880 will, We're not really sure. There's also the matter of 21 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,000 characters that appear to be missing to other characters 22 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,600 within the story, even though we readers know where they are, 23 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:58,960 like Arya and Sansa and Rick, all the Starks, basically. 24 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:03,160 In fact, most of the major characters have been missing at 25 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,560 one point or another, and a lot of them still are. 26 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,960 So this episode is dedicated to those characters, large and 27 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:14,200 small, prominent and obscure, who have been on the pages but 28 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,480 don't have known locations or certain known locations, let 29 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,440 alone fates. We've got all that and more on 30 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,720 this episode of History of Westeros podcast. 31 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:26,160 You know one thing that is missing? 32 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:27,400 What's that? Sean. 33 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:28,720 Sean. We don't have a Sean today. 34 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:29,800 He is missing. That's right. 35 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:34,000 We thought we'd add to the vibe of this episode by having one of 36 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,040 our own be missing. No, nothing strange about that. 37 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,800 Sean will be back next week and everything will be normal. 38 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,360 But yeah, this week no Sean. But we do live stream almost 39 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:48,400 every Sunday at 3 on YouTube. You can catch the video anytime 40 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:52,720 after that still on YouTube or you can catch it later on. 41 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,440 Spotify usually takes a few days to a week to get put up, and the 42 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,880 video is edited when it's on Spotify as Same goes for all the 43 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:02,520 podcast versions. But you can also hear them 44 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,720 without ads if you listen on Patreon or if you listen on the 45 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:11,520 Spotify Patreon feed. This episode is brought to you 46 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:15,720 by Topix Moot 2024. That's right, it's the fifth of 47 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:20,240 the episodes chosen by History of Westeros Patrons during the 48 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:25,200 voting period, which was February of this year and will 49 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,560 be February next year and the year after. 50 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,320 That's our plan anyway. We'll see how that goes. 51 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,760 We've been really excited about the topics chosen so far. 52 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,640 This is no exception. This is a huge episode. 53 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:41,360 We have a 30 page document and the the downside of that is we 54 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,120 won't be able to focus on any particular character all that 55 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,560 much. But we'll be looking at a lot of 56 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,360 characters and going through quite a bit of comparisons 57 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,320 between some of them anyway. I won't spend too much time 58 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:53,800 saying what we're going to do. Let's just do it. 59 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,920 Thanks to our good friend Nina Good queen allie.tumblr.com, she 60 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:59,640 had a lot of thoughts on a lot of these characters. 61 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,400 Some of them are of course near and dear to her heart like they 62 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,600 are to mine, and a lot of Yar Yar's yaw's. 63 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:08,600 And of course that gives us means. 64 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,200 That means we have head cannon and theories on some of the ones 65 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,320 that we particularly are interested in or we thought 66 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:15,800 about a lot. So that'll be fun. 67 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:20,360 Unfortunately, what's not so fun is the episode dedication that 68 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,080 we'll make right now. I have some bad news for y'all. 69 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:28,440 We lost a great member of the community, Steven Atwell, past 70 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:32,120 of Cancer not too long ago. We're very sad. 71 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:37,160 He was an incredible contributor to the community and to other 72 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:41,880 fandoms and to social justice. He was a big believer in in 73 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:43,680 labor and getting jobs for everybody. 74 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:48,720 He's a professor and was well known for his academic writings. 75 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,720 Most of you maybe only know him for his Song of Ice and Fire 76 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,200 writings, but he's also was big in the X-Men fandom. 77 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,160 He had a podcast. His last episode released was on 78 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,160 X-Men 97, his last guest appearance. 79 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,600 Yeah, so you know, people thought, we thought he was doing 80 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:07,120 pretty well on his recovery, but well, that's cancer, Screw 81 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,440 cancer. So this episode's dedicated to 82 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,240 him and I am sure that he, his presence will live on in the 83 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,080 Song of Ice and Fire fandom because his writings are so 84 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,640 good. He's been in, what, 8 or 9 85 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:20,840 episodes? Eight. 86 00:05:20,840 --> 00:05:22,000 OK, you counted. Thanks for counting. 87 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,240 I knew it was a lot. A lot of our black fire 88 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:25,840 rebellions. Here, that's the main one. 89 00:05:25,840 --> 00:05:27,440 Huge. Portion of that. 90 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,880 Nearly every episode of the Black Fire series he's in and 91 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,720 his writings will be cited for decades, I'm sure of that. 92 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,120 Not just to the Song of Ice and Fire fandom, but his writings in 93 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,160 other places as well. He's a very, very talented 94 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,280 writer and his words will live on. 95 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:47,600 If you have questions for us, if you have missing characters that 96 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,840 we didn't think of, which is very not just possible but 97 00:05:50,840 --> 00:05:54,360 likely because there's so many and because I said and we're 98 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,520 using a very broad definition of missing. 99 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,080 So yeah, it is wide open. I asked a lot of y'all to weigh 100 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,080 in ahead of time. I posted this in our Facebook 101 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,120 group and our Discord and I got a lot of great answers. 102 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:08,280 So you'll see that as we go through and at the end we'll 103 00:06:08,280 --> 00:06:11,440 have a big list of episodes that relate to this one because we're 104 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,200 touching on so many different characters that shoots a lot of 105 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,200 tendrils and feelers in a lot of different directions. 106 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,280 So that creates a lot of crossover with with episodes 107 00:06:19,280 --> 00:06:21,480 we've done in the past. Also at the end of this episode 108 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,760 is the answer to this trivia question, which is Rhaegar Frey 109 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,920 is the son of Aene's Frey and the younger brother of Aegon 110 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,800 Frey. What did Rhaegar Frey in turn 111 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,600 name his own first born son? If you recall, Rhaegar is the 112 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,400 one, one of the three phrase that went into a pie. 113 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,560 So I say is the son. I mean it was the son. 114 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,320 I guess he still is. But Ainis is also dead. 115 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:44,880 We don't know about this Aegon Frey though. 116 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,440 It's not Jingle Bell. And in fact this Aegon Frey will 117 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,800 be mentioned in this episode. So more on him later. 118 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:51,240 Like I said, some of these characters we'll discuss 119 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,000 briefly, a little, others more deeply. 120 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,320 Some will need an introduction because they're kind of obscure. 121 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,880 You may have forgotten who they are or maybe they have the same 122 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:00,720 name as someone else, like like that last one. 123 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,400 There's two Aegon phrase, right? So sometimes we'll need to sort 124 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,840 out who they are. Others are as major as you can 125 00:07:06,840 --> 00:07:10,320 get, Like Arya, as I said, and Sansa, these are hidden, missing 126 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,360 characters. But so there are circumstances 127 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,200 we won't have as much to say about, but we'll still talk 128 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,200 about what they have in common and the purpose of their 129 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,800 missingness. Nina adds that one important 130 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,360 thing to keep in mind when we're trying to think about whether a 131 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,680 character who's gone missing is going to return, whether there's 132 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,920 a we have to think about the narrative purpose there. 133 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,920 It's not just we can go a little too far in thinking about this 134 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,400 as a living and breathing world, which is George has done such a 135 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,400 great job of making it feel that way, but it still is a story, 136 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,840 and we have to keep that in mind that it wouldn't necessarily 137 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:39,680 make sense for some of these characters to come back. 138 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,120 Now that said, we're not George. We don't have his imagination. 139 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:44,440 We don't always know what makes sense. 140 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,880 So we're going to be thorough with some caveat saying, well, 141 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:49,960 this character, we don't necessarily think they're going 142 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:51,280 to come back, but maybe we're wrong. 143 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,000 So what's cool and what makes sense is something we have to 144 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,080 kind of balance as we're going through this. 145 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,640 Let's start beyond the wall. Yeah, let's go right to Benjen. 146 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,840 Benjen is our first missing person. 147 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,600 He's one of the most prominent missing people, in fact. 148 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,640 Well, he's also like the first missing person. 149 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,680 Arguably, Waymar, Royce and Will and Garrett are considered 150 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:15,560 missing. But we know. 151 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,720 We know what happened to all three of them right away, right? 152 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,760 Garrett shows up South of the Wall in chapter one. 153 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,040 After the prologue, Ned executes him. 154 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,000 The kids find dire wolves. You all know that chapter. 155 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:31,400 John eventually looks forward to coexisting with Benjamin Stark. 156 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,039 He decides to take the black talks to Benjamin, tells him 157 00:08:34,039 --> 00:08:39,080 he's ready to to join. But none of that ever happens, 158 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,320 right? John gets to the wall, says hey, 159 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,000 I want to go with you. And Benjamin's like, are you 160 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,840 kidding me? You have no experience. 161 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,720 All the men going with me have lots of experience. 162 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:54,560 Good for John that he didn't go, 'cause obviously Benjen doesn't 163 00:08:54,560 --> 00:08:57,440 come back. Two of his companions return as 164 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:01,400 whites, and of course two more searches go out. 165 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:05,600 So Benjen was going on a search for Weymar, and then Darwin and 166 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,320 Hake both go on separate rangings to find him and fail. 167 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,040 And then the Great Ranging goes out to find him. 168 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,320 It's one of their goals. It's not the only goal of the 169 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,720 Great Ranging, but of course it doesn't accomplish that goal. 170 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,680 And as we discussed in our Craster episode, there's reason 171 00:09:19,680 --> 00:09:22,920 to think Craster lied about Benjamin, about seeing him. 172 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:27,360 And that adds to the mystery, the possibility that that 173 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:31,240 Craster knows something. And you know, it's it's by the 174 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:32,840 way a little narrative trick there as well. 175 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,840 That twice. Or teased with the possibility 176 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,840 that John will have a close member of his family on the wall 177 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:40,160 with him. Right, Because Ned's also 178 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,200 supposed to take the black before Joffrey and and probably 179 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,240 Littlefinger. Screw that plan up. 180 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:47,960 So there's two different points at which it looks like John will 181 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,440 have a family member as his companion, and neither time does 182 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,480 it actually happen. All this is crucial to the early 183 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,880 set up, though. Interestingly, the the Night's 184 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,160 Watch plot kind of stays on its own. 185 00:09:58,160 --> 00:09:59,880 It's it's separated from all the other ones. 186 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:02,480 Even when John tries to go join them in, the Sally doesn't get 187 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,160 very far, so it's not really that connected. 188 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,200 But then it just becomes suddenly connected to everything 189 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,560 when Stannis just appears at the end of A Storm of Swords and 190 00:10:08,560 --> 00:10:12,680 it's like, whoa, all right, this just became a very much a part 191 00:10:12,680 --> 00:10:16,200 of of the War of 5 Kings. He's so he's Benjen, an example 192 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:20,080 of a character who's both missing to us and the characters 193 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,480 in World. And he's been missing. 194 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:25,720 And this has been true for the entire length of the series, 195 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:27,600 minus the very first few chapters. 196 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,080 And it's really hard to believe this will never be resolved. 197 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:34,080 But it's also difficult to imagine that he's alive, and I 198 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,000 put that in quotes because what exactly does alive mean? 199 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,480 Well, I I don't mean a normal functioning human anymore. 200 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,480 He could be walking around as undead. 201 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,040 Some version of cold hands, but not cold hands of course. 202 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:47,400 But it's yeah, it's been three years. 203 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,120 Like you may you all may not have put that together the 204 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:51,800 actual length of time that he's been missing. 205 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,200 So that's a lot, a long time. It's not impossible that he's 206 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,400 alive, but jeez, 3 years beyond the wall without any word from 207 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,400 him, it doesn't look good. Like, wouldn't he have sent 208 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:00,680 word? Wouldn't he have come back and 209 00:11:00,680 --> 00:11:03,960 said, hey, I found something, Why is he still out there if 210 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,280 he's not inhibited or alive? You know that these are tough 211 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:12,720 questions to answer, Nina says. I fully believe he'll return, in 212 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:17,920 part because John's biological parentage is an issue here. 213 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,320 He might have answers there. He had a strong relationship 214 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,240 with Liana. There was someone who may have 215 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,680 helped her bend OR break the rules because she was kind of 216 00:11:26,680 --> 00:11:30,040 all about breaking rules and and and going outside the drawing, 217 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,560 outside the lines. Whereas Ned not so much, which 218 00:11:33,560 --> 00:11:36,760 is a clue to Benjen. When Ned comes home with a child 219 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,720 that he claims is his bastard, well, I mean we're assuming he 220 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:41,480 didn't tell Benjen the truth, which is a pretty safe 221 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:42,880 assumption he never told Catelyn. 222 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:45,640 It's possible. He told, since Leon is his 223 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,120 sister. And that's a different thing. 224 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:51,040 But regardless, Benjin's not going to believe it. 225 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:56,040 He's not going to be like, Oh yeah, my brother Ned Stark, the 226 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,320 one who's believed, you know, follows the rules. 227 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:00,520 Is he really going to have a bastard? 228 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,520 I mean, we don't really think that's a fit for his 229 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,560 personality. Yeah, and it's so true. 230 00:12:05,560 --> 00:12:07,880 Like this is just a there's too many blatant things that 231 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:09,040 Benjamin. We got to put ourselves in 232 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,560 Benjamin's shoes. He knows what what, what his 233 00:12:11,560 --> 00:12:14,160 brothers like, so you know. Also, there's a chance Benjamin 234 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:15,880 was the one who left that Obsidian at the first of the 235 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:19,240 first men. So yeah, that's an important 236 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:23,600 point. Our next character is one of 237 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,400 Corin's group, Another Ranger, another one lost beyond the 238 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:27,560 wall. Stone snake. 239 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:31,240 This was a popular answer when I asked people what missing 240 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:32,840 characters you'd like to see us talk about. 241 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,160 The reason he becomes missing is his horse dies, he's with the 242 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,320 rest of the group, with Corin and John and all them, and his 243 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,000 horse breaks his leg. They have to kill it and use it 244 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,480 for food, and he can't keep up with them. 245 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,040 Without his horse, there's just no way. 246 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:50,800 And he first he volunteers to ambush them. 247 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,120 He's like, well, I'm doomed, so why don't I take a few of them 248 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:54,520 out and give you guys some more time? 249 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:56,560 But this is what Corin says in response. 250 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:00,120 If any man in the Nights Watch can make it through the Frost 251 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,000 Fangs alone and afoot, it is you, brother. 252 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,720 You can go over mountains that a horse must go around. 253 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:11,440 Make for the first. Tell Mormont what John saw and 254 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,200 how. Tell him that the old powers are 255 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:19,800 waking, that he faces giants and wargs and worse, tell him that 256 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,480 the trees have eyes again now. You might think this is just 257 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,160 Corin giving him a confidence boost, like pumping him up 258 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,560 saying look no, you have a chance, but it doesn't seem like 259 00:13:27,560 --> 00:13:29,680 that's how they behave. These guys are hard and honest 260 00:13:29,680 --> 00:13:31,840 and don't mince words or soften truths. 261 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:36,320 Consider Squire Dalbridge is left behind to stay and hold the 262 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,160 pass. He does volunteer to stay, or 263 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,640 they volunteer him and he's he's like, Yep, I'm the right man for 264 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:43,960 the job. It wasn't a futile gesture. 265 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,600 It did buy them time, so we had another example of one of them 266 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,960 sacrificing themselves. However, Corn didn't think Stone 267 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:52,920 Snake should do it. He thought actually this guy has 268 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,760 a chance to survive. It wasn't futile, so of course 269 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,080 it's not a sure thing that he survived, but again, it wasn't 270 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,560 like a shot in the dark. There's a legit chance he could 271 00:14:02,560 --> 00:14:05,240 make it. John, however, as Stone Snake is 272 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,120 leaving, thinks he has no chance. 273 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:11,000 So maybe I'm wrong. But John, that's his first 274 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,520 ranging. He doesn't really know. 275 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,120 I mean, maybe he's just fatalistic about that. 276 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,200 Now think about this. It says go to the Fist. 277 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:19,600 Corn tells him to go to the fist. 278 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,680 If he went to the fist, well that might have gone poorly 279 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,440 given all the whites that were there, but he managed. 280 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,000 He might have managed to like see that you know, scouted out 281 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,040 and be like whoa, I better avoid this area. 282 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:31,880 Perhaps everything had already moved on. 283 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,720 Maybe the battle had already happened and there's no whites, 284 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:38,120 nothing there. Now he would get there to the 285 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,800 fifth of the first men in this scenario and see no bodies 286 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:45,320 because the all the dead Rangers would have been raised again as 287 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,840 whites and of course the whites that were slain would have maybe 288 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,600 been re raised. Not clear about that part. 289 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,320 But yeah, it seems like they would have just picked back up 290 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:53,600 again. Or I don't know. 291 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,360 Bottom line is he would see evidence of a battle and and 292 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,280 very few bodies or just somebody parts maybe. 293 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,760 No whole bodies. And that would be chilling. 294 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:05,080 That would be like, Oh my God and, well, wouldn't he? 295 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,400 Wouldn't we have seen him by now like Benjin. 296 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,240 It's like, well, why hasn't he come back now? 297 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,280 He hasn't been lost nearly as long as Benjin, but it's a long 298 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,880 time and he's been lost. But would we would we know if he 299 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,880 came back? He's not a Castle Black Ranger. 300 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,840 If he had come to Castle Black, yeah, we'd have known that that 301 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,080 would have been announced. But Corin and his group were 302 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:26,400 from the Shadow Tower. So if he had gone back, he might 303 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,840 have gone back to the Shadow Tower, which we wouldn't 304 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,560 necessarily know that, right? He could have shown up there and 305 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,080 they wouldn't necessarily send a letter to Castle Blacks like, 306 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:35,800 hey, by the way, Stone Snake came back. 307 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,480 They might have, they might have communicated that because he 308 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,520 might have had things to say, but it's not a sure thing. 309 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,520 And yeah, and they're very remote. 310 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:48,200 Does this the Shadow Tower men, I think they're the toughest of 311 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,160 the Rangers of the Nights Watch because of their location is so 312 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:55,400 remote and dangerous. And it's the oldest part of the 313 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,240 north, right? So it's like the most, I don't 314 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,200 know, dark and supernatural potentially. 315 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,120 There's more cannibals over there, the the tribes that we 316 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,520 know less about. It's just it seems harder. 317 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,400 So not only is he a great climber, but John says 318 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,440 internally he's never known a man with better night vision. 319 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:20,240 Furthermore, Rattleshirt tells Mintz in front of John, right 320 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,960 they're talking about who John was with and all this other 321 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:26,400 business about Corin and and who died and all that, he says. 322 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,000 One of the Rangers they had been pursuing got away by climbing up 323 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:30,560 into a place they couldn't follow. 324 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,000 Clearly that's Stonesnake. There's no other person that 325 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,760 could have been. So Rattleshirt's people did not 326 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,120 catch Stonesnake. There's no they explicitly say 327 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,200 they couldn't get him. That's a good sign. 328 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:45,680 When John is climbing the wall. Later, as part of a Grit and the 329 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,280 Magnar Venz raiding party, he thinks of Stone Snake. 330 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,920 Again, this is a whole book. Later, he's like, this is tough. 331 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,400 This climbing stuff makes him think of Stone Stone Snake, 332 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:58,200 right? So even though he's arguably 333 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,040 vastly less important to the narrative than Benjin Stark, 334 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,280 there are good reasons to believe his chance of survival 335 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,280 is greater than Benjin's. He's a better survivalist, 336 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:12,119 probably, and he's a better climber. 337 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,520 We've got word of him more recently. 338 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:16,160 You know, we don't have the whole. 339 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,240 Well, he would have come back to Castle Black part. 340 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,880 Now there's the caveat that characters beyond the wall have 341 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,880 other ways of returning, you know, like as walking corpses or 342 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,000 something to that matter. So I'm talking about returning 343 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,560 alive. This is good. 344 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:33,160 This could be a good example of George's gardening style, even 345 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,080 though gardens aren't so popular beyond the wall. 346 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,200 Ha ha. I mean that George might decide 347 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,080 he has a reason for a stone snake to be alive or worth 348 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,400 bringing back in the story. He might not have fully fleshed 349 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,240 out what that purpose was when he had Stone Snake run off. 350 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,160 It's cost him a few paragraphs to describe this character, 351 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,440 leaving to follow up on him once or twice, and that's it. 352 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,120 It's just a few sentences, a few lines of dialogue. 353 00:17:53,120 --> 00:17:53,880 That's it. It's not. 354 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:58,440 It doesn't burden the narrative to keep him, you know, in our 355 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,640 minds just a little bit. And that little bit has done a 356 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,680 lot of work, hasn't it? We've he's like I said, he was 357 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,880 one of the most popular characters for this episode. 358 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:10,680 So George may not have decided what the full purpose of Stone 359 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,360 Snake was when he had him run off and and survive. 360 00:18:13,360 --> 00:18:15,840 He might be like, well now, but later he might be like, OK, this 361 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,240 is a good chance to bring Stone Snake in for whatever reason 362 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,440 that might be. He's witnessed something beyond 363 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,200 the wall he has. Well, that's probably something 364 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,040 like that is he's witnessed something but or maybe he just 365 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,400 wants to bring him back because we would cheer for that. 366 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,040 We would be like it'd be a good thing to give to us readers like 367 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,840 a a shot in the arm for like so many tragedies are happening. 368 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:35,280 He's like, hey, but Stone Snake is back. 369 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:36,520 All right, cool. That's one win. 370 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,080 Nina points out that it's worth noting that in every subsequent 371 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:44,080 appendix, Stone Snake is specifically listed as not being 372 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:49,080 dead, whereas Squire, Dalbridge, and Egan are specifically listed 373 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,840 as dead. She sees Stone Snake as a 374 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:58,000 potential POV character for a prologue for A Dream of Spring, 375 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,920 which I would say means she thinks he's going to die. 376 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,680 Pretty much all the prologues. What have you done, Nina? 377 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:07,720 Death you've. Consigned him to death. 378 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:08,640 Dang it. No. 379 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,720 Well, that's that would be better than him being already 380 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:11,760 dead. But no, that's true. 381 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,040 Maybe George will twist that narrow. 382 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,640 We've talked about the possibility of him using that as 383 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,480 a breaking that pattern. He set us up to think, oh, all 384 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,000 these characters are going to die and then one of them 385 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,560 doesn't. And it's like, oh, isn't that 386 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,520 nice. So I'm holding out hope for 387 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:25,800 that. So if if Stone Snake 388 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,440 specifically lands and actually I'm probably going to root for 389 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:32,080 whatever character is in the prologue to be like, maybe this 390 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,160 one won't die, maybe this one, it'll be like it'll be like 391 00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:39,240 watching, rereading the the Oberyn and the mountains. 392 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,200 Like this time he'll this time he won't screw. 393 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:43,920 It up, the final one would be the one that makes sense to 394 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:45,800 break the pattern. Dream of Spring, It's. 395 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,320 Everything's a little bit more positive. 396 00:19:48,360 --> 00:19:50,360 You know if he breaks the pattern into wins a winner and 397 00:19:50,360 --> 00:19:52,280 then we'll then we'll really be wondering like the last one will 398 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,000 be like is he going back or is this the new pattern? 399 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:56,080 What's it going to be? Yeah. 400 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:58,400 Either way I'm. I'm very curious. 401 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:02,360 So like that moving on more nights watch characters. 402 00:20:02,360 --> 00:20:03,760 That's right. We're staying beyond the wall 403 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,000 we're we're sort of regional with this episode we're going to 404 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,440 kind of stick to certain areas although that gets tricky 405 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,080 because we don't if you don't know where someone is, what 406 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,800 area, what region can we say they're in, right. 407 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,040 We don't know. But in this case, we're pretty 408 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,160 darn sure we're talking to me now about Alistair Thorne, 409 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,480 Darwin and Keg. White Eye. 410 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,840 Darwin and Keg are experienced Rangers. 411 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,080 Alistair Thorne is not, Although he is an experienced fighter 412 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,000 and, you know, experienced guy, he just hasn't gone beyond the 413 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,680 wall until now. Alistair Thorne is an 414 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,480 interesting piece of the narrative because he's John's 415 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:39,360 first enemy, unless you count Catelyn, which you might. 416 00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:42,960 But Alistair is specifically like the last sentence of a of 417 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,120 a. One of John's chapters is that, 418 00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:47,760 you know what he said in the acid tones of an enemy, you 419 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,960 know. So it's a small, it's a small 420 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,520 start. Like Arya's worried about SEPTA 421 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,200 Mordane and things like that, where the challenges grow a lot 422 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,920 larger really quickly. John's bigger enemies, of 423 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,880 course, are the undead, but in this case, you know, Alistair 424 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,960 Thorne, Darwin, and Kedge all might become undeads. 425 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,360 So yeah, that might be right down the middle. 426 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,760 Thorne is of course a former master at arms for Castle Black 427 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,840 and he was in opposition to the Starks. 428 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,880 He was a Targaryen loyalist. He stayed loyal to Ares, so that 429 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,920 is part of the reason why they had these problems in the 1st 430 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:24,920 place before Mormont sent Thorne S though then he was. 431 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:26,920 This is how he of course he took care of the issues between him 432 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,080 and John. And then when he came back, he 433 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,600 was still John's enemy, but as a subordinate to Jano Slint rather 434 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:36,040 than as the main antagonist, right up until Slint lost his 435 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:37,760 head for blatantly disobeying orders. 436 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,440 Thorne claims John is sending him out to die by sending him on 437 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,640 a ranging when he has so little ranging experience, and I don't 438 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,160 think that's the case. I don't think he wants him to 439 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,320 die, but it might be punitive. There are definitely more 440 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,120 experienced many could have sent, and that's who he did send 441 00:21:52,120 --> 00:21:54,440 to lead the raging parties. It's not like these men, like I 442 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,800 said, he's he's it's not designed to fail, but it was a 443 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,520 curious choice to send Alistair out there and it did feel maybe 444 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,000 a little bit vindictive or or something. 445 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,600 Anyway, Darwin is the one who can smell cold and has wooden 446 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,040 teeth. Can he smell crime? 447 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,120 Can he smell crime? He can smell crime. 448 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,320 He goes searching for Benjen as well, like hake, but at least he 449 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,840 returns. And this is notable because he's 450 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,440 very good. He is perhaps the best tracker 451 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:26,000 in the Night's Watch, Chet when he's getting ready to pull his 452 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:30,360 murder escape thing in the prologue of A Storm of Swords. 453 00:22:30,360 --> 00:22:32,920 He specifically thinks they have to kill Daiwin because he's one 454 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,360 of the guys that will will catch them. 455 00:22:34,360 --> 00:22:37,120 They'll send Daiwin after them and and Daiwin's too talented at 456 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,480 at tracking, so they got to kill the guy that's going to find 457 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,280 them. And he's a experienced veteran. 458 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,720 He knows almost everyone on the wall, which is an interesting 459 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,400 factor like of a guy who's been around and knows everyone. 460 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,920 So we're curious how that's going to resolve. 461 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:52,360 We don't know where he's at, where he's at. 462 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,640 He's out there beyond the wall and so far hasn't returned Cadge 463 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,840 wide eye similar. He's also a very experienced 464 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,880 Ranger probably not as talented as Darwin and not a good leader 465 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:05,880 because he doesn't get along with anyone. 466 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,520 He's just like a misanthrope basically he's his his eyes are 467 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,920 described, one is white and one is mean and he's a really, 468 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,080 really good Ranger. They they describe him that 469 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,440 because he just this isn't easy to get along with the guy that 470 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,640 you want on your side but maybe you don't want to hang out with 471 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,280 him afterwards but still so that. 472 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,240 Remember what happened was John sent out three groups of three 473 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,880 going to Dance with Dragons. One of those is the group of 474 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,720 three that are caught and killed by the Weeper with their eyes 475 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,080 gouged out, and Melisandre has a dream of them. 476 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,000 She sees the the weeping eye sockets and all that. 477 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,600 Unfortunately, that was Blackjack Bulwer, who was very 478 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:44,120 briefly the the new 1st Ranger. I don't even think a new First 479 00:23:44,120 --> 00:23:46,760 Ranger has been appointed, but that's that's a beside the point 480 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,160 right now. And Melisandre has not seen the 481 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,200 fates of the other two groups of three. 482 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,880 John specifically asked her to read the flames, try to find out 483 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:55,840 what happened to those other six. 484 00:23:56,120 --> 00:23:58,440 She doesn't see it, so we don't know or even she doesn't have an 485 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,480 answer. So remember, Darwin has Alistair 486 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,000 and one other guy and Kedge has two other guys. 487 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,080 So there's three other people that are in those two groups. 488 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,720 We don't even know their names, but they are, they'd be 489 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:15,320 considered missing too. Alistair has quite a line for 490 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,680 John quote. You'd best pray that it's a 491 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,800 wildling blade that kills me, though the ones the others kill 492 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:27,600 don't stay dead and they remember I'm coming back. 493 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,080 Lord Snow. Well, if he does, he won't be 494 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:34,400 missing anymore, right? And to make it a little more 495 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,960 ominous, all three of these groups were sent with Ravens. 496 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,120 As far as we know, none of the Ravens have come back. 497 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,040 This isn't like Victorian where he didn't send Ravens back out 498 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,520 of spite to make his brother wonder right. 499 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,680 He had Ravens and just like Nah, I don't send them. 500 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,840 Alistair might do that sort of thing but he's not in charge of 501 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,160 the ranging so it's not his call. 502 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:58,160 I really doubt that Kej or or Daiwin would be like, Nah, let's 503 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,200 not send Ravens back. So it's bad that we haven't 504 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,880 heard. Now if we were going even 505 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,200 farther with this, like I said, this is a 30 page document for 506 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,880 this episode so we've got a lot of characters to cover. 507 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,360 We really could dig deeper and probably name more Free Folk and 508 00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:14,640 Nights Watch that are missing or that we just haven't heard from 509 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,680 in a while. Like those giants and mammoths 510 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,920 that are headed to East Watch. We we mentioned them in the Hard 511 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,760 Home episode. For all we know they made it 512 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,120 there, no problem, and are now on the other side of the wall. 513 00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:26,560 But maybe they are now dead and in the army of the others. 514 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,080 Almost everyone involved in Hard Home could be considered missing 515 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,680 in a sense, at least right now 'cause we don't have an update 516 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,080 on a very quickly developing situation. 517 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,360 So yeah, let's not get too bogged down on on we have to 518 00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:40,440 draw the line somewhere and what? 519 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:41,400 What? What's missing? 520 00:25:42,120 --> 00:25:44,440 A character that's been mentioned a few times that we've 521 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,120 never met is Conway. Wait, Conway? 522 00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:49,360 That name is vaguely familiar. Who is that? 523 00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:51,120 He? He's not actually beyond the 524 00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:52,760 wall. He is a member of the Night's 525 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,120 Watch and I'm very curious about him. 526 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,240 He's Joran's equivalent, another recruiter, basically. 527 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,560 There were two recruiters at the start of the story and Joran and 528 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,680 Conway are the two. But we've only seen Joran and we 529 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,560 saw him a lot before his passing and and never seen Conway. 530 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,840 So he's all the more missing. He's missing from our minds and 531 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,680 memories, Missing from the page. That's true. 532 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,000 He sure is. He's brought up, you know, semi 533 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,480 regularly because even in A Dance With Dragons he's 534 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,320 mentioned because some of his recruits are there, like, oh, 535 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,120 this was recruited, got by Conway. 536 00:26:24,120 --> 00:26:27,200 This guy came because of Conway. So he's still bringing people to 537 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,920 the watch at a time when they are desperate for for manpower. 538 00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:34,320 Recruiting could take on a different meaning if the wall 539 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:38,360 falls or if the other others get through it, which is maybe part 540 00:26:38,360 --> 00:26:41,000 of why George created this character and he's like, well, 541 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,760 there wouldn't just be 1 recruiter, maybe he just thought 542 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,920 of having more than two, but he clearly had plans for Yarin and 543 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,880 and might have plans for Conway. Remember as well, Yarin was 544 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,400 replaced by Darian, who also went missing, though we know 545 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,400 exactly where he went to right into the canal. 546 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,600 And the Faceless Men knew about that too. 547 00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:01,760 But apparently that's it. Only the Faceless Men and are. 548 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:02,760 You know what happened to Darien. 549 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,440 I'm very curious to see what type of recruiting, what nights 550 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,080 watch recruiting looks like when things get a lot worse in the 551 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,080 North. Whether it gets more difficult, 552 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,400 whether more people are willing to sign up to go fight for 553 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,560 humanity or whether it's just a the fight war, The war in the 554 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,360 South is just takes over everything and people just don't 555 00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:24,440 go north because the war in the South is just all-encompassing. 556 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:25,960 So there's really a lot of ways it can go. 557 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,600 Yeah, well my question is just do people really need to join 558 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,160 the Night Squatch in order to fight this, you know, life 559 00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:34,200 threatening? Thing. 560 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,400 That's a good point. Like a lot of the free folk 561 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,080 don't actually join, they just. They're still effectively 562 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,200 they're fighting alongside. So I think a lot of the people, 563 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,320 the Southern people, they won't need to be recruited, they won't 564 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,560 need to join up because they're just going to have to fight. 565 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,680 Yeah, it's more like it's less of a recruitment for the nights 566 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,520 watch, less of it's recruitment to come help just we need the 567 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,720 North needs you, not necessarily the watch needs you. 568 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,000 Some people might take the black. 569 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,920 Some people might be like, yeah, let's just go fight and not 570 00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,480 join. Yeah, that that's a good point. 571 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,200 Like in the show, we saw lots of examples of that, and I assume 572 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,080 that we'll see some examples, if not lots in the book as well. 573 00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:07,200 Let's move on to brand and company. 574 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,240 Like I said, every Stark is going to be mentioned today 575 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,440 because all of them are scattered and in various forms 576 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,360 of hiding, if not straight up missing. 577 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,200 Most people think Brandon Ricken were killed by Theon, so they're 578 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,680 not actually thinking about them. 579 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,160 They're like they're not missing, they're dead. 580 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,760 But there are people who know they're alive, not just us 581 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,680 readers. Considering that their lives are 582 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:31,840 in danger, they have allowed this rumor to perpetuate as much 583 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,240 as they're like, yeah, it's good that people think we're dead for 584 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:35,840 now. We don't want them hunting us. 585 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,640 And amongst the people who are hunting them, of course, are 586 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:45,800 people who do know like the Boltons, Theon himself, and that 587 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,720 Lord Little they encountered in that cave that gave them some 588 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,840 oat cakes and and Bran promised to repay him later, you know, 589 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:58,280 and that Little might have told some other trusted people. 590 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,920 You know, that's it's a part of the Great Northern Conspiracy 591 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,680 that actually a lot of people know Brandon Rickon are alive 592 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:08,920 because of this little and well. Nina points out that obviously 593 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,800 knowing someone was alive at one point, as in during A Storm of 594 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:19,520 Swords, does not necessarily mean that that person believes 595 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,560 that person's alive right now. Yeah, Bran was out in the 596 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,280 wilderness without adult supervision. 597 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,920 They I mean, realistically, they a lot of people who thought he 598 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,240 was alive are like, he's probably dead. 599 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:33,880 A lot of them probably think that. 600 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,120 Even if he wasn't dead the first, I was like, well, maybe 601 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,840 he isn't now. You know, you still haven't 602 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,880 heard from him in all this time. It's like, where could he be, 603 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,720 you know? And he's only going to return 604 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,960 when he has to. No one's going to find him, 605 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,320 right? No one's going to find him. 606 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:51,960 He's going to return when either events or his choice guides him 607 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:56,280 back to South of the Wall and, you know, announces his return. 608 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,000 You know, he's currently taking a full course load at Greens 609 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,640 Here University. He doesn't have time to, you 610 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,000 know, come home or let people know he's alive. 611 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,280 It's dangerous. So, yeah. 612 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,000 And he's not alone, though, right? 613 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,160 Mira and Jojen, they're with him Now. 614 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,720 Remember, Sam also knows he's alive and that's even more 615 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,640 recent than some of the other people who saw him alive. 616 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,000 So there's a decent number of people that know he's alive and 617 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,400 could talk and and of course Rickon and Ocean know, you know 618 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,440 they split a while ago. They're a good example of 619 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:28,360 someone that knew that Bran survived the event that everyone 620 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,640 else thought he was killed in at Winterfell by Theon but they 621 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,120 haven't followed up in so long. Like Ashaya pointed out, it's 622 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,880 like, well, Rickon doesn't know his brother's still alive, 623 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,040 although he might thanks to skin changing war game and the dreams 624 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,640 and all that. Like Rickon knew his father was 625 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,680 dead right before Maester Lewin got the letter and and Bran had 626 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,480 that same dream so and John had that one dream at the beginning 627 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,280 of A Dance with Dragons where he's inside Shaggy Dog and 628 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,920 Shaggy Dog is aware of the other wolves when he's in Shaggy Dog's 629 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,720 brain. So there's a good reason to 630 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:03,160 think that apart from Sansa, the Starks kind of have a sense that 631 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,680 the others are alive and this is where John is included. 632 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,480 Whereas sometimes he's not because John's not missing. 633 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,280 John's the only one who's not missing. 634 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,280 He's, he's, he's certainly, his fate is certainly up in the air, 635 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,120 but he's not missing. So Brandon Rickon and we'll come 636 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:16,600 back to Rickon. But Brandon, yeah, he's, he's 637 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,080 literally not out of the woods yet. 638 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,440 But it'll be super interesting when he reannounces himself and 639 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,960 it'll be part of the Stark succession and the war for the 640 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,520 dawn and a lot of big events that are that are still yet to 641 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,000 come. But yeah, he's definitely 642 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,440 considered missing. Let's go. 643 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,760 Let's continue in the north and continue with another Stark. 644 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,960 But before we talk about Rickon and OSHA and Shaggy, let's let's 645 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,880 look at something real quickly that's small. 646 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,880 Like George once said, we're back in the day when people were 647 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,200 asking him questions. Like, this is really early on. 648 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,000 Like back when George would respond directly to fan mail, he 649 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,480 once said there's probably some Stark cousins out there 650 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:54,800 somewhere. You know, they don't. 651 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:56,880 They're no longer Winterfell Starks. 652 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:58,760 They could eventually trace their like, if you go back far 653 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,480 enough, they could trace their ancestry to Winterfell. 654 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:01,880 All Starks trace back to Winterfell. 655 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,080 But maybe they haven't been Winterfell Starks in many 656 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,280 generations. You know, there's other lines 657 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,920 out there, so we don't know who any of these people are. 658 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,560 George may have decided actually there isn't because he didn't 659 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,040 say probably. He didn't say definitely. 660 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,120 He he he gave himself some room to to change his mind on that. 661 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,240 I don't know how that would come up. 662 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,760 Maybe it's relevant to end game stuff, a dream of spring stuff. 663 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,600 If y'all have thoughts on that, certainly let us know. 664 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,600 But it was worth a mention because they're definitely 665 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,080 missing there. We haven't seen them or heard 666 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,720 from them and this is something that George said. 667 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,880 Those car Starks. Yeah, they're that's who they 668 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:37,800 are. They're car Starks. 669 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,160 Yeah, and there are some missing Car Starks out there too. 670 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,720 Like we said in our episode last week on House Car Stark, there's 671 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:49,400 several like grandsons of of of Arnolf and who were probably 672 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,240 sons of Kragen. And we don't know their names, 673 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,640 but they're there and we're not sure where they are. 674 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,360 They're somewhere in the North. So yeah, Rick and OSHA and and 675 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,360 Shaggy Dog, we know roughly where they are, Skagos. 676 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,920 But really only a few characters in the story know that. 677 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,400 And again, like because other case is kind of missing in a 678 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,960 sense very similar to his brothers and sisters. 679 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,480 It is very worth pointing out that none of the conspirators or 680 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:17,680 factions aiming to restore a Stark to Winterfell are aware of 681 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,480 any of the other plots to restore the other Starks. 682 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,320 Littlefinger, for example, believes that Sansa is the only 683 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,800 legitimate Stark left who Iman Manderly believes that Ricken is 684 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:33,760 the only legitimate Stark left. Stark's son left Galbart and 685 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:38,360 Mage believe that Brand, Rickon and Arya are dead and Rob named 686 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,360 John as his heir, and this may come into play if various Stark 687 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,600 factions start moving through White Harbor and hear about the 688 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,920 others doing the same, including Rickon with Davos. 689 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,880 This is one of those things where it's incredibly hard to 690 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,560 figure out what's going to happen because who's going to 691 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,160 find out what first? The order of knowledge 692 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,160 disseminating through these various parties is impossible to 693 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,240 predict, and it determines so much of what they will do. 694 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,080 So let's just say, let's just leave it at that and say there's 695 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:14,120 so much happening at the wall and in the north all at once Can 696 00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:16,080 and those two plot and these plot lines are tied to each 697 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,080 other with all their various subplots. 698 00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:20,480 Yeah. So it's impossible. 699 00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:25,080 But we love to draw attention to it because it's great. 700 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,080 Like we we have all poured over this material so much and 701 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,639 there's some things that are just nearly impossible to 702 00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:34,199 predict. And that's that's a good job by 703 00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:36,920 George because there's some things that we we think we have 704 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,400 figured out. Maybe we'll be wrong on some of 705 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,120 them. Surely we will be wrong on some 706 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,000 of them and and we'll be right on a lot of others. 707 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,320 But this one, we hardly even try to make guesses because it's 708 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:50,360 like, who's going to come first? Who's going to learn what first 709 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:51,880 Rick. Is Rick in going to be 710 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,560 discovered and immediately tell Davos. 711 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,880 Actually, I'm not the heir. My older brother is. 712 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,760 He's alive, you know, I saw him in my dreams. 713 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,400 Are they going to believe him, 'cause he's five years old or 714 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,920 six years old, whatever he is now I'm like, listen, crazy 715 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,480 little boy, we don't know where your brother is. 716 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:07,320 Are you sure? He's a lot. 717 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,320 I mean, yeah, I don't know. There's so many weird things 718 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,080 that could happen there. Honorable mention to Davos too. 719 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,840 Who is, you know, trying to find Rick in? 720 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,000 And OSHA and Shaggy. He's not missing, but he is 721 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,920 presumed dead by his own king thanks to Manderley's Rouge. 722 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,280 So there's a possibility of a very fun reunion with Stannis 723 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:28,960 and Davos again, right? Stannis already thought Davos 724 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,440 was dead once on the Battle of the Blackwater. 725 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,160 In fact, T Wow has the potential to showcase a lot of reunions. 726 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:39,120 Starks with other Starks, Stannis with Davos, OSHA coming 727 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,000 back, you know? Well, we'll see. 728 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,480 Other examples throughout this episode 'cause this is really 729 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,400 the topic we're dealing with, people who are missing and the 730 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,560 possibility that they'll become unmissing with Ricken and Tow 731 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,480 and with Davos. It's like meta undead, right? 732 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,840 Like they're not really undead, but it's a bunch of people 733 00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,240 Stannis and his subordinates thought were dead, all coming 734 00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:02,560 back at once. Like, oh, Ricken and Davos. 735 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,080 What? That's crazy. 736 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,240 But it's also possible Stannis just dies before getting to see 737 00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:10,760 Davos again. That would be kind of a bummer. 738 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,080 I would like to see that reunion. 739 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,040 There's also some Lysenti ships that ran aground on Skein, which 740 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,680 is the island next to Scagos. This is, according to Cotter 741 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,280 Pike's letter to John, right? So this is, this is something we 742 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:22,560 talked about in the Hard Home episode. 743 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:27,920 It's entirely possible these sailors will communicate with 744 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,000 Davos when he's on Scagos. Remember we told Davos to pack 745 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,600 his Bagos for Scagos way back on Valor Rubidis. 746 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:40,040 But he may have some unexpected company there, and the that's 747 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,400 how information from what's happening beyond the Wall at 748 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,680 Hardhome could pass on to some of Stannis's people. 749 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,440 Let's talk about Old Nan and the Winterfell captives. 750 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,080 An uncomfortable subject, easy to miss as well. 751 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,080 Because of how briefly it's mentioned, it's not pleasant to 752 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,720 think about the survivors. Mostly women, if not entirely 753 00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:03,480 women, are marched to the Dread Fort now. 754 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:08,320 This is just like Rob thinking he has to warn Roose Bolton 755 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,560 about the Karstark men in his army and how it's really he's 756 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,040 the one in danger. Catelyn is told by Roose that 757 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,440 his son Ramsay has led the surviving women and children 758 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:19,840 there. It's meant to comfort her. 759 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,240 And she's like, oh, that's good. No, it's not. 760 00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:25,600 It's not good at all. It's terrible. 761 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,880 It's horrible. Bran is is worried about old Dan 762 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,640 and some of the others, you know, 'cause they're down in the 763 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,600 crypt and hiding. And when they finally emerge, 764 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,800 like, huh, there's no, there's no dead bodies of women here. 765 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:44,000 It's all men. So they noticed that the women 766 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,200 are missing and are able to at least think about that for a 767 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:48,360 minute and make some assumptions. 768 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,680 Theon as well, who was there, thinks she's probably dead. 769 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,960 And he has this thought in the Dread Fork Dungeons. 770 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,760 It's an assumption, not something he knows for certain, 771 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,880 but sad to say, he's heard a lot of women screaming while he's 772 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,840 down in the dungeons. There's no, we don't. 773 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,440 We're not sure these are the Winterfell women that he hears 774 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,000 screaming, but it's probably the case. 775 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,920 We do have one example that definitely is. 776 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,920 If Y'all recall, Theon has this memory in his chapter of of 777 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,040 Ramsay giving him a false escape. 778 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,960 The show actually put this on screen, but in the book it's 779 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,720 just something in his memory and it includes this girl, Kyra. 780 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:33,480 Kyra was a girl who worked at the Smoking Log at the Winter 781 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,480 Town. She was a barmaid, and when 782 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:41,280 Theon took Winterfell, he took Kyra as his mistress and treated 783 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:46,240 her terribly of course. And then Ramsay asked for her 784 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,880 when he showed up. He's like I want my reward. 785 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,000 I want Kyra. And Theon was like oh you can't 786 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,440 have her you how dare you and you know being stupid like he is 787 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,720 and and that's when Ramsay smashes him in the face and he 788 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:02,520 goes unconscious. So Kyra's the girl that shows up 789 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,120 with the keys in the book version of this saying, hey, we 790 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,360 can escape and and they run off together. 791 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,400 And Kyra is killed as part of this hunt. 792 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,240 And adult one, Ramsay names one of his dogs after her. 793 00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:19,560 So she's definitely dead. But she's an example of the 794 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,240 women at Winterfell that were taken. 795 00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:24,120 And she's if she was there, then the others are probably there 796 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,680 too. Still there and and bad 797 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,600 straights right now. You know, one small mercy might 798 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,200 be that both Ruce and Ramsay are away from the dread Fort and 799 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,360 have been since the first chapter of A Dance with Dragons. 800 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,840 And they may never return. I mean, we can hope they never 801 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,560 return. Something's going to happen with 802 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,920 the dread fork 'cause if those two both die, which seems not 803 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,120 unlikely by the end of the series. 804 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,640 They don't exactly have airs. There's no other Boltons out 805 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,440 there. So we'll have the dread fork's 806 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,840 going to have to be sorted out one way or another. 807 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,200 And that might be when we get an update on these folk. 808 00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:57,680 I doubt all of them are dead. They know some things. 809 00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,800 They were witness to the fall of Winterfell. 810 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,040 And it would be nice for some of them to survive and have a happy 811 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,960 ending. They could learn that Brandon, 812 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,200 Rick and are still alive. That'd be nice for them to to to 813 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,880 hear that, assuming they still are by the time this happens. 814 00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:13,840 There's also survivors from Ramsey's attack on Sir Roderick 815 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,440 and Clay Serwin, so there might be other people out there that 816 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,720 that were witness to all this. Another thing to consider though 817 00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:23,080 is that the Dreadford is farther north than Winterfell, and with 818 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,160 the both of Bolton's fallen, by the time the others come, there 819 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,760 may not be any leadership to hold the place. 820 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,320 It may just be completely overrun and that would be a bad 821 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,920 fate for all those women down there in the dungeons. 822 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,040 So yeah, we don't know what's going on. 823 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,240 There's no POV at the Dreadford, no reason to suspect there will 824 00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:41,800 be 1. So this is something we would 825 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,320 have to hear about off page. Or maybe they show up back at 826 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,080 Winterfell and talk about their ordeal. 827 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,640 I'm not really sure, but it's grim. 828 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,640 But there's some hope. Anyway, that's the the survivors 829 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,960 of Winterfell. Just cross your fingers for them 830 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,520 and not the Bolton Cross. Different kind of cross. 831 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,640 Let's talk about Hal Mullen, AKA Captain Obvious. 832 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,760 He became captain of Ned's guard after the death of Jory Cassell. 833 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,000 He's a penchant for stating the obvious, hence his nickname. 834 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,640 He says a lot of very it's it's hilarious, actually. 835 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,760 He's a he's a bit of comedic relief in a story that's pretty 836 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:24,200 dark. He is set N with Ned's bones, 837 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,640 sort of the honor of being the captain of the guard. 838 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:32,360 You get to guard him in death as well, but of course he hasn't 839 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,760 been seen and of course Ned was killed in the first book, so 840 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:40,160 there's been quite a while for Captain Obvious to have made his 841 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,920 way N but he has not appeared. He goes with three men, Quent, 842 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,800 Jax and Shad, which are not important people, but it's a 843 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,920 good example of just how much depth and detail George gives to 844 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,120 all characters don't even matter. 845 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:54,960 Like Quent. It's not the only time he 846 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,600 appears, he's one of the guys that wanders off with Theon in 847 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,120 the forest scene to chase a Turkey and then Bran gets 848 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,160 attacked. So he he failed to guard Bran. 849 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,400 And then we have Jax, who was with Ned when he discovers 850 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,480 Gendry. And then we have Shad who 851 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,680 multiple times show shows up as a cook like he's with Catelyn 852 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,240 when she goes S to treat with Renly. 853 00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:15,400 So these are characters that aren't just one scene 854 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,600 characters. They're not important. 855 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:22,200 But if you happen to encounter a guy named Quint or Jax or Shad 856 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:26,160 in the neck or in the North, think of this moment be like 857 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:27,640 actually we might should know who this is. 858 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:31,760 This is a character that was with Captain Obvious and knows 859 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,080 things might know about where Ned's bones are, so he clearly 860 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,920 couldn't go to Winterfell. Like by the time he could have 861 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,160 even gotten through the neck, Winterfell had been sacked. 862 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,520 So he would have paused his journey and maybe even like, 863 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,360 well, where do I go? What do I do? 864 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,400 And he might just be hanging out in the neck with Helen Reed with 865 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,040 some other characters that we'll mention in a minute. 866 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,480 But he might be the hooded man that speaks to Theon and calls 867 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,560 him Theon turn cloak is that you know he and he says kind of 868 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,080 captain obviously things That's why the theory is that that's 869 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,960 him. But I don't really think so, 870 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,880 because Theon should recognize Hal Mullen. 871 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,480 He was a, you know, important figure at Winterfell that lived 872 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,160 there his whole life. And Theon lived at Winterfell 873 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,440 for like 10 or 12 years, so he would recognize Hal Mullen. 874 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,240 So I don't think that's him, but it might be because Theon's been 875 00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:21,000 through some stuff and the guy had his hood down, you know, 876 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,520 Maybe he didn't see his face that clearly. 877 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:23,800 It was snowing. It was dark. 878 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,760 He didn't have to see his face. So regardless if that's the if 879 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,080 the hooded man in Winterfell is Hal Mullen, we have every reason 880 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,400 to believe he's still alive. Remember, Lady Dustin says she's 881 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,160 got watchers waiting for Ned's bones. 882 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,000 She wants to destroy those bones to feed them to her dogs. 883 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:41,920 She said that in The Dance of Dragons. 884 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,320 Three books. Well, two books after, I guess 885 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,240 he goes north in in The Storm of Swords. 886 00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:49,840 I think. Either way, it's been a long 887 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,640 time and he hasn't shown up yet. He's had enough time, so he's 888 00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:57,640 waiting. He's holding back, and maybe 889 00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,760 eventually Ned's bones will be laid to rest without 890 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,680 interference by Dustin's or otherwise Maige Mormont and 891 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,240 Galbart Glover. We covered them quite a bit in 892 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:10,520 the Rob's Will episode. They were ordered to go there by 893 00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:14,640 Rob and to help attack Note Kaylin. 894 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,280 But then the Red Wedding happened before that could 895 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:17,800 happen. So they're like, what do we do 896 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,760 now? Remember, Galbart is a Lord. 897 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,800 He's Lord of Deepwood Mott. His brother, Robot is helping 898 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,240 Stannis. Robot's wife and children aren't 899 00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:30,400 missing, but they are hostages on the Iron Islands and they're 900 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,040 Asha's hostages. And Asha herself is a captive of 901 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,080 Stannis, so that's all that's this could be the way that all 902 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,360 gets resolved. Mage is the Lady of Bear Island 903 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,680 too, so they're both rulers. And her daughter Daisy was one 904 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,360 of those killed at the Red Wedding, so she is has reason 905 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,520 for revenge. Not that the entire N doesn't 906 00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,320 have reason for revenge for the Red Wedding, but it's it's more 907 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,520 personal to her than it might be to to most of the others. 908 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:58,080 Now here's where there's another potential missing person or 909 00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:02,720 persons, the father to her children whose nage was husband. 910 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,040 They joke or jokes. Is it really a joke that it was 911 00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,040 a bear? And it's actually Alice Ann, her 912 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,440 daughter, who makes that joke. And Alice Ann says the same 913 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,080 thing about her kids. So it's like all it's just the 914 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,800 Mormont women cover story. Yeah, we all sleep with bears. 915 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,320 That's so. But. 916 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:19,880 But still they're missing from the narrative. 917 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,880 Like who are these? Who are these men that fathered 918 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,840 these Mormont women? We've never met them or heard of 919 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:27,320 them, or we have no inkling whatsoever. 920 00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:32,160 Alice and Mormont also tells Asha that Mage is with two of 921 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,880 her other daughters, which are her Alice and sisters, Lyra and 922 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,560 Jory. Yes, Jory is a girl, it's Jor 923 00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,720 El, but doesn't say where. But we can be pretty sure it's 924 00:45:41,720 --> 00:45:44,440 not Bear Island because it was Liana Mormont who answered 925 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,920 Stannis's letter. And Liana Mormont is the younger 926 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,800 sister of Lyra and Jory, so we don't know if Liana knows if her 927 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,200 mother's in the neck either. So some of the Mormont might 928 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,080 know, might not know where Mage is, or maybe they communicated. 929 00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,520 So there's a lot of like Mormons not knowing where Mormons are, 930 00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,840 or do they? Not to mention Jorah being way 931 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,960 off in exile. They know he's in exile 932 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,320 somewhere in Essos, but they have no idea where. 933 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,840 I don't know if they consider him missing, but they definitely 934 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,960 don't know where he is. So the person that is probably 935 00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,480 running the show here in the neck, the guy that has the 936 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,960 castle, where maybe all these people are hanging out, meaning 937 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,400 Mage Mormont, Galbar, Glover, Captain Obvious with his squad, 938 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,760 Ned's bones, maybe some other people. 939 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,960 Alan Reed, he's missing too. Not that we don't know where he 940 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,640 is, We're pretty sure we know exactly where he is, except for 941 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,320 that problem being that his castle moves. 942 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:38,120 So maybe exactly isn't the right word to use here, but we have a 943 00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:41,520 general idea and it's very interesting that he has not 944 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,640 appeared in the narrative yet. He's missing in that. 945 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,680 Why haven't we seen him yet? Why don't we know more about 946 00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,400 him? George is clearly holding back 947 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,560 for reasons. Literary reasons, narrative 948 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,360 reasons, POV reasons. Who knows? 949 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,280 I mean, we we don't have. There's no automatic reason. 950 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:01,200 We would have seen him by now. But he's also just like a lot of 951 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,560 Ned's memories, they're very compartmentalized. 952 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,000 He doesn't think about Lyanna. He doesn't think about Howland 953 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,240 all that much. Like they're barely in his 954 00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:09,920 thoughts. There's some way we could have 955 00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,720 maybe learned more about Howland, the one guy who knew 956 00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:13,760 him best, but he just doesn't think about him. 957 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:18,320 So yeah, and he's probably wondering about his children, 958 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,640 right? He heard about the sack of 959 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,800 Winterfell. He may have learned that the 960 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,640 sack was false, not false, but that the deaths of Brandon 961 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,960 Ricken were false, which might take away some of the anxiety of 962 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,880 wondering where his kids are. He might be wondering if they're 963 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:33,640 alive. He may not. 964 00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:35,440 He may not. He may be in the dark about what 965 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,800 happened to Jojen and Mira and who knows what else he knows or 966 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,560 doesn't know, but we will meet Helen Reid eventually, so that 967 00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,000 is something George said. He said it multiple times that 968 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:47,760 Helen Reid will eventually come to the narrative. 969 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,400 So for now he's missing. We know he's coming, we don't 970 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,640 know when, but it's going to be awesome, like when Helen shows 971 00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,840 up. I mean how think about your put 972 00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,000 yourself in this position, like picture that you're reading. 973 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,160 Let's say it's a, A, a the win's a winner. 974 00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,160 That how it appears you're reading the book and all of a 975 00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,400 sudden there he is, There's Alan Reed. 976 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,840 He's on the page, he's in the he's saying things. 977 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,120 That's going to be so amazing how we haven't seen this guy 978 00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,440 ever and we've been hearing about him since 1996. 979 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,160 Maybe not all of y'all have been hearing about him that long, but 980 00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,920 that's how long we've been hearing about Alan Reed as a 981 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,880 collective fandom without ever seeing him on page, only having 982 00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,760 a few direct quotes from him based on things that that we've 983 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,680 been told he's said. But boy will that be a big one. 984 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,760 Talk about a character we've been waiting on for a long time. 985 00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:41,080 Let's talk about the Riverlands. Melissa Blackwood, historical 986 00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,440 figure, the mother of Bloodraven, who by the way went 987 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,440 missing from the perspective of Westeros history. 988 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,720 But you know, they haven't really been looking for him. 989 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,200 He vanished beyond the wall. We know where he ended up in The 990 00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:51,960 Cave. Sure, Surely we want to know 991 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:53,640 more about that story, how that all went down. 992 00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,880 But I wouldn't say he's, he's not really missing any more from 993 00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,080 from the point of view of characters in the story he was 994 00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,120 when he went missing. I'm sure they looked for him 995 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,360 well. And when we do see him well, he 996 00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,120 doesn't have Benjin with him. Benjin's not in that cave. 997 00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:07,480 That's one place that Benjin isn't. 998 00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,000 He also doesn't tell us the tale of his mother and sisters. 999 00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,120 I don't know why he would. He's got other, bigger 1000 00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,200 priorities then you don't like. Bran's asking him questions 1001 00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,280 about his past. But Melissa, then? 1002 00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,080 In her case, we're simply missing a lot of detail. 1003 00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:24,200 It's it's more about fleshing out the story rather than 1004 00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,360 thinking she was lost, you know, There's a statue of her at Raven 1005 00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,400 Tree Hall in the Godswood. In the Godswood. 1006 00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:30,520 That's an interesting place for it. 1007 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:35,600 The thing is after she sent home due to court scandals and you 1008 00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:40,080 know, maybe the brackens getting an egg on the unworthy ear, she 1009 00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,920 sent home and we never hear about her again. 1010 00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,840 And she wasn't like old, you know, by any means and she was 1011 00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,480 the most popular of egg on the force mistresses. 1012 00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,400 It was a run of people that were. 1013 00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,960 I'll chosen. Like he didn't have good taste 1014 00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,640 in women because he's a bad dude, so he picks bad people for 1015 00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,760 the most part, right? But Melissa was an exception. 1016 00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,320 She was friends with nerys. She was friends with AIM and the 1017 00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:07,320 Dragon Knight. Like people like that's crazy, 1018 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,680 right? The person who's husband, your 1019 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,840 husband is cheating on you with this guy or this woman and you 1020 00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,000 you're friends with her because she's so nice and friendly and 1021 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,200 everybody liked her. So there's a lot of missing 1022 00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,120 characters there. There's several other like Great 1023 00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,960 Bastards that aren't. Arguably they're not called 1024 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,720 Great Bastards, but really, technically everyone that was 1025 00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:29,560 legitimized by Egg on the 4th is a Great Bastard. 1026 00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,280 They just aren't really considered great because they 1027 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,600 don't do anything. You know Bitter Steel, Sierra 1028 00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,080 and. Middling bastards, Yeah, they're 1029 00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:38,520 middling bastards. That's. 1030 00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,000 A good one. So our best guess is Melissa 1031 00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,280 died relatively early. Maybe that's why she got a 1032 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,760 statue, is a little more remembered, was more of a tragic 1033 00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,800 figure, So popular. And you know, that's that's what 1034 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:55,560 happens when you die too. Young people are more sad about 1035 00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,440 it. You know, you live didn't have a 1036 00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:01,080 life that you deserved. So yeah, there's there's other 1037 00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,320 characters in this vein that we're going to bring up later. 1038 00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,360 But two that we're going to bring up right now, Glenys and 1039 00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,200 Mia Bloodraven's sisters, they're both older than him. 1040 00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,520 They were legitimized too, right? 1041 00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,560 Melissa and King Aegon had these two daughters and we don't know 1042 00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,120 anything about them other than their names. 1043 00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,000 Not a thing. Did they marry because of their, 1044 00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,400 you know, suddenly boosted bloodline or were they forced 1045 00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,080 into the silent sisters because of that same problem? 1046 00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:26,720 Like well, we don't, we can't have that. 1047 00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:28,680 We can't have their bloodline out there. 1048 00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:32,280 These these legitimate, But then again like, you know, Bloodraven 1049 00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,960 and bitter still they didn't try to take the name Targaryen. 1050 00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,080 You know, they just went about their business and you know 1051 00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:42,320 continue to very different businesses that clashed on the 1052 00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,320 battlefield. But still, even Damon Blackfyre 1053 00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,920 didn't try to take the name Targaryen, you know, so the 1054 00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,360 whole that there's a lot of unanswered questions there, to 1055 00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,160 be fair, a lot of them might be answered in Fire and Blood too. 1056 00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:55,920 You know, there's there's areas where that could get covered. 1057 00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,440 But it's worth mentioning as a current mystery. 1058 00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:01,280 Jaime Lannister. Right? 1059 00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,040 Is he missing? Well, yeah, kinda. 1060 00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,680 And he's quote UN quote vanished in the Riverlands according to 1061 00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:09,120 what Cersei is told. So all of court is basically in 1062 00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:10,640 the same spot regarding his whereabouts. 1063 00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,200 They don't know where he is. He's missing. 1064 00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,360 We know where he is. He's in the clutches of Lady 1065 00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,560 Stoneheart after she forced Brienne to lead him into this 1066 00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,560 trap. It's highly doubtful Jamie dies 1067 00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,080 in this predicament, as as difficult a predicament as it 1068 00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,480 is. But what does it mean for Cersei 1069 00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,160 and the Lannister faction that he's missing? 1070 00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,880 Kevin's just died while he Jamie's missing with something 1071 00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,240 that he doesn't even know yet. In fact, we haven't even seen 1072 00:52:33,240 --> 00:52:34,920 the reaction from Cersei to that yet. 1073 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:36,440 We even. That's the last thing in In The 1074 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:37,720 Dance of Dragons. Just the last thing we see. 1075 00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:39,760 Period. Besides the T Wow chapters, 1076 00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:45,440 which don't really cover this base, all we kind of know is 1077 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,880 that Cersei seems to have regained power given what we see 1078 00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,120 in the Mercy chapter. But even that's a little 1079 00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:54,720 uncertain. Which by the way, fair warning, 1080 00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:57,280 y'all, there is a few spoilers for The Winds of Winter chapters 1081 00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,120 in this one. Not a lot, but definitely a few. 1082 00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,480 And yeah, so the timing of the trial is really difficult, 1083 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,880 Cersei's trial and whether Jamie will even know about whether 1084 00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,800 he's going to come back and and what's going to happen there. 1085 00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,960 So I don't want to spend a lot of time on Jamie, of course, 1086 00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:12,080 because we have so many characters to cover, but he is 1087 00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:17,920 absolutely considered missing and by his allies, and it's 1088 00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,520 important. It's a full circle thing for him 1089 00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,320 coming face to face again with both Brienne and Catelyn, the 1090 00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,840 people who have most enabled or kicked off his character 1091 00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,920 development directly and indirectly, right? 1092 00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,720 And he's rejecting the people who most made him what he is 1093 00:53:31,720 --> 00:53:33,560 today. Like Tywin and Cersei, right? 1094 00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:35,200 Like the people who were as big as influences. 1095 00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,560 So of course he has made his own choices too. 1096 00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,360 But when he emerges again from this capture, his second 1097 00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:44,520 capture, I guess I feel like it will push him farther in a new 1098 00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,280 direction in in this character change that he's undergoing. 1099 00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:51,040 And none of this means he can't backslide, he can't come back 1100 00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,400 with some of his old bad habits, nor does it mean he's suddenly a 1101 00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,800 good person. But still, it's indicative of a 1102 00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,120 lot of change. And yeah, I mean, just the 1103 00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,640 trigger for his disappearance alone is indication of a shift. 1104 00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:08,320 Brienne got him to leave his guards by saying the Hound had 1105 00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,800 Sansa and he must come alone or he'll kill her. 1106 00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,920 I'm not sure this would have worked on former Jamie. 1107 00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:15,560 It might have, because he's so cocky. 1108 00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:16,600 He's like, well, I'm gonna go. I'll. 1109 00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,280 I can handle this. I can handle anything. 1110 00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:19,880 I'm Jaime Lannister. But it wouldn't have been 1111 00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:21,640 because of his duty. He's going now because it was 1112 00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:23,520 his duty. He took an oath to find Sansa. 1113 00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,080 So his reasoning is very different. 1114 00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,160 His logic, his motivation is very different. 1115 00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:28,760 And Cersei is absolutely perplexed. 1116 00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,200 It's like, did she really, Did he really choose this random 1117 00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,360 woman over me? She's probably baffled. 1118 00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,320 It doesn't even. Yeah, Jamie can claim later. 1119 00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,440 It's like, oh, I was trying to track down Joffrey's killer 1120 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:40,520 sense. Is Joffrey's killer. 1121 00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,200 That's what I'm doing. But is he won't be telling the 1122 00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,040 truth. Or will he? 1123 00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,280 We shall see. Anyway, Jamie's missing attude 1124 00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,680 is pretty important for this plot line, and I think it's 1125 00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,440 going to make him the person that matters most to It is Jamie 1126 00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,840 himself, I think, even though it's going to have a huge impact 1127 00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:57,160 on Cersei and the Lannister faction. 1128 00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,120 Speaking of the deeds of Lannisters, let's talk about a 1129 00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,000 character that was at the Red Wedding, Reynold Westerling, 1130 00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,920 that's he ran to free Graywind when the Red Wedding broke out. 1131 00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:11,200 He clearly wasn't on the his mother's side or his not Sybil. 1132 00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,000 Spicer's not his mother, but he clearly wasn't on the Spicer 1133 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,680 side of things. He was loyal to Rob, loyal to 1134 00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:20,600 his to Jane. He was severely wounded. 1135 00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:22,600 He got like a crossbow bolt in the gut. 1136 00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:26,000 I think he managed to throw himself over the wall into the 1137 00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,800 river. It's not likely he's alive, but 1138 00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:34,880 George R Martin is way too experienced an author to know 1139 00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:36,880 otherwise. Just to do something like that 1140 00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,360 and not think we're going to wonder like you. 1141 00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:43,680 You don't not show the body and expect us to assume he's dead. 1142 00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:45,440 So this is a seed. Like, maybe he's like, well, 1143 00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:46,840 maybe I want this guy to survive. 1144 00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,000 It's another like I could use this witness. 1145 00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,000 I could maybe he's a maybe he was there for the westerling 1146 00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,440 negotiations with Tywin. Maybe he knows some things about 1147 00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,840 the pre planning for the Red Wedding which might matter but 1148 00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:03,080 he's probably dead you know he probably just bled to death. 1149 00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,480 It's it's hard to survive a wound like that. 1150 00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,240 It's not just finding people that can help him it's it's it 1151 00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:12,280 looked like that might have been a fatal wound but he if he does 1152 00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,520 turn up it's probably thanks to the brotherhood about banners 1153 00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,000 there. The people that are monitoring 1154 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,960 the situation, if they see a body floating downstream and 1155 00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:24,160 it's an ally, they would be a not unlikely to save him and he 1156 00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:25,600 would need substantial time to recover. 1157 00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,280 So there's there's no reason we would have heard from him in the 1158 00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,400 meantime. But yeah, it's possible. 1159 00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:31,800 Yeah. We'll have to see what happens 1160 00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:32,920 there. Related. 1161 00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:34,200 Somewhat related. Anyway. 1162 00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,040 Blackfish. He of course wasn't at the Red 1163 00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:40,000 Wedding, but he also jumped into the river, though, at River Run 1164 00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:41,480 instead of the twins. And he wasn't injured. 1165 00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,200 So there's almost no doubt he's alive. 1166 00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:48,600 He's very certainly alive. But we did an entire episode on 1167 00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,920 him, Blackfish episode. We won't rehash that. 1168 00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,360 The potential for where he might be, let's just go to say there's 1169 00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:57,240 a lot of fun possibilities and what might happen when he meets 1170 00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:02,080 his dead niece is just really hard to figure. 1171 00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:03,600 But it's going to, It's going to be a big deal. 1172 00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,440 Funny story though, quite a few people have commented on our 1173 00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,040 Blackfish video with mild disappointment because they 1174 00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,680 thought it was the Blackfish documentary which is about the 1175 00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,080 treatment of orcas at SeaWorld. I had to rename it. 1176 00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,040 Yeah, we Blackfish and I had to make it Brindon Blackfish. 1177 00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,800 Yeah, that's funny. Like, whoops. 1178 00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:21,640 OK, sorry, y'all. Didn't mean to confuse people 1179 00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:24,520 about that. Another Red Wedding tangent here 1180 00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:28,560 is Oliver Fray, Rob's Squire. And he was devoted to him. 1181 00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,600 Oliver was a very devoted to Rob. 1182 00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,800 He took it very seriously. He was loyal, etcetera, And so 1183 00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,240 they wouldn't let him at the Red Wedding. 1184 00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,400 They're like, well, we're not going to keep a loyal Squire 1185 00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,720 around. It's one of the clues that 1186 00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,400 something was about to happen. Was like, why isn't Oliver here? 1187 00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:43,600 Why isn't? You know what's what's what's 1188 00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:44,320 weird? Duty. 1189 00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:45,800 They just say duty. He's not here. 1190 00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,720 Like they didn't have a good lie prepared. 1191 00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,560 So, yeah, it's too late. Catelyn doesn't figure it out 1192 00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,760 until too late. But yeah, Nita's pretty sure 1193 00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,520 this is where that all of our Frey went to Rosby, because all 1194 00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:00,560 of our Frey is a Rosby via his mother. 1195 00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:04,800 His mother was Bethany Rosby. The only other named Rosby in 1196 00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:08,400 the modern era is Lord Giles, who just died of his cough, so 1197 00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,040 he's quite possibly who Lord Giles selected to be his heir. 1198 00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:17,000 But of course, Cersei has tried to shove this person aside, and 1199 00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:18,680 it's never named who this person is like. 1200 00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:22,960 Oh, his his ward. You know, the Rosby ward is oh, 1201 00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,080 that person gets nothing, you know, we'll see if that's what 1202 00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:27,520 actually holds by the end of the story. 1203 00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,080 I don't know if Cersei is going to have her way. 1204 00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:36,800 So yeah, now this ward is sort of appeared. 1205 00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:41,040 Felice Stokeworth complaints to Cersei about how Lord Rosby's 1206 00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,800 ward refused her and her husband's hospitality. 1207 00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:48,520 Which would be an interesting point if if that's Olivar 1208 00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,680 because the IT was a huge breach of hospitality. 1209 00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:52,960 The Red Wedding and so all of ours. 1210 00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:57,320 Like yeah, we're not we're this is apparently the way we we 1211 00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,680 operate now. You know hospitality doesn't 1212 00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,480 mean what it used to. And Pisal points out that the 1213 00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,040 ward at Rosby might have an interest at the inheritance of 1214 00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:06,840 the late Giles and of course, Cersei's lake. 1215 00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,120 Cersei actually says, oh he's not of his blood, which Cersei 1216 00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:13,240 might that might be a clue that it's not the the that this is 1217 00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,080 not Oliver Fray. But Cersei is probably just 1218 00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,200 wrong. She's like, oh, that's a Fray, 1219 00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,640 not a Rosby. But yeah, she'd be wrong. 1220 00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:25,880 A good chance that Aegon, as in Aegon the 6th, young Griff, 1221 00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,800 maybe sort some of this out as a way to to win allies. 1222 00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:32,320 He's like, well, I will appoint this Fray in charge of Rosby and 1223 00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:36,000 he'll be loyal to me, right? And that's important because 1224 00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:37,800 Rosby is just right around the corner from Kingsland. 1225 00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,120 That's a neighbor. You got to have your neighbors, 1226 00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,040 you know, on your side. You can't have them turning on 1227 00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:44,160 you. That's really dangerous. 1228 00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,520 Speaking of phrase, Aegon Bloodborne And you might be 1229 00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:51,000 like, wait, who? Yeah, it's not surprising that 1230 00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,560 one of Lord Walder's grandsons hasn't been seen 'cause there's 1231 00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:55,840 so many of them. Nevertheless, this is quite an 1232 00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:59,360 interesting fellow we have here. He's the second of Lord Walder's 1233 00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,320 grandsons to be named Aegon, the other one being Jingle Bell, 1234 01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,400 whom Catelyn killed. So he's the only living Frey 1235 01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,120 named Aegon. He is the son of Ames Frey. 1236 01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,840 That's the one who broke his neck in a pit trap just outside 1237 01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,080 Winterfell. Ames was the smartest of the 1238 01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:16,560 phrase in the North, so now it's in the hands of Hostine, who is 1239 01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,320 very much not smart. Aegon's older brother was 1240 01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:22,480 Rhaegar Frey, the one who ended up in a pie, but Aegon 1241 01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:27,320 Bloodborne is an outlaw, an outlaw not associated with the 1242 01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:28,960 brother without banners, as far as we know. 1243 01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,720 In fact, he's been an outlaw since before they even existed, 1244 01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:34,400 as far as we know. We're not sure if he's connected 1245 01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,120 to some existing outlaw group, if he's the leader of it, if 1246 01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:40,480 he's just a solo outlaw. We don't know why he's called 1247 01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,520 Blood Borne. We don't know why he's an 1248 01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:44,680 outlaw. We don't think he's been 1249 01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,960 married. It's a very unusual amount of 1250 01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,200 detail, colorful detail for a character that's never even 1251 01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:52,080 mentioned. He is technically mentioned, but 1252 01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:55,080 only in the appendix. So kind of like Stone Snake is 1253 01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:56,560 mentioned as alive in the appendix. 1254 01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,920 It kind of has some bearing on on what we believe here. 1255 01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:03,000 He's in every appendix except for A Game of Thrones. 1256 01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:07,200 He's in the other four. He probably won't be run into, 1257 01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:10,480 but it's curious that that so much detail has been given to 1258 01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:13,000 him for a character that we might not ever expect to run 1259 01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:13,560 into. Right. 1260 01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:16,160 It's it's strange. Maybe it's just a way to flesh 1261 01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:21,200 out the wide-ranging places a huge family will end up when you 1262 01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:24,800 have so many people competing within a household. 1263 01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:28,160 Maybe this is a statement on what happens with with all these 1264 01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:29,760 extras. Maybe it is intended. 1265 01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:31,960 Maybe George planted this seed and just abandoned it. 1266 01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,880 You know, he's like, I don't need this character, but maybe 1267 01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:38,960 maybe he'll pop up during the, the time of Aegon, or well, he 1268 01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,600 is the time he is Aegon. Yeah, Aegon and Aegon, right. 1269 01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,240 No, it's it's a it's a curiosity, very puzzling 1270 01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,240 character, this one. But yeah, maybe we'll just never 1271 01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,160 hear from him again. Maybe he'll just remain in the 1272 01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,960 appendix and that's it. But or maybe George will write a 1273 01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:56,480 whole story, a Side Story about just his character, his special 1274 01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,320 development for just this Aegon Bloodborne. 1275 01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:05,080 Let's take a few moments to talk about our productivity software, 1276 01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:06,720 rise. Ashay and I have been loving 1277 01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:08,840 this thing. Again, they are not a sponsor of 1278 01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:09,720 us. We are. 1279 01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:13,160 We signed up to be an affiliate of theirs because we are big 1280 01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:17,080 believers in the software. We use it a little differently. 1281 01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:19,920 Ashay and I do. I just used it to keep me on 1282 01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,880 track. I'm not super detailed with what 1283 01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,520 I'm working on, but the more I use it, the more I'm keeping 1284 01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:28,400 track of. For example, how much time did I 1285 01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:30,440 spend writing this particular episode this week? 1286 01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,520 I could go back and look at that and see. 1287 01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:36,320 So I'm I'm gradually getting more and more into the detailed 1288 01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:38,760 use of it and it's making me even more productive. 1289 01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:42,000 So keeping me on track is the most important thing because I 1290 01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:48,440 am easily distracted. Yeah, and if you go to Rise with 1291 01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:54,000 AZ dot IO/U slash Westeros it's on the screen and use the code 1292 01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:57,280 Westeros. 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Yeah, we've both been more 1304 01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:37,880 productive for because of it. We're that's why we're so 1305 01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:41,680 excited about it. And we, I look forward to even 1306 01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,400 more focus because, yeah, like I said, I'm not. 1307 01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:46,880 I'm a scatterbrain sometimes and this has been helping with that. 1308 01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:50,400 Sit in for cities, says Aziz. Show me your T-shirt. 1309 01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:52,720 Yeah, you know, meant to meant to show this at the beginning. 1310 01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:56,200 It's a San Rixian shirt designed for Joe Magicians Channel. 1311 01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:57,600 And honestly, you know the Strongs. 1312 01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:59,040 I sort of picked it 'cause it's a great shirt. 1313 01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:01,360 But also the Strongs have some candidates. 1314 01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:03,840 Maybe. Mostly we wonder what happened 1315 01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:05,840 to all of Lucamore, the Lusty's children. 1316 01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,080 Some of them ended up on the wall, some of them ended up 1317 01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:10,960 elsewhere, but that's not a huge mystery. 1318 01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:13,880 But Joe Magician has specifically tried to track down 1319 01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,960 the Strong bloodline throughout history and where those which is 1320 01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,040 includes the descendants of Lucamore the Lusty. 1321 01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:21,760 So that would count. That fits into today's episode 1322 01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,320 The Missing. So check out Joe Magician's 1323 01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:27,040 channel for his episodes on how Strong if you want to learn more 1324 01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:29,840 about where the Bloodlines of the Strong ended up. 1325 01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,000 Another question I have about the Strong's is they have a 1326 01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:33,800 missing castle. Now, we're not talking about 1327 01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:37,920 places today, but if we were, they would be nominated for that 1328 01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,200 case because they inherited Harrenhal. 1329 01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:43,440 It was given to them. But we don't know what castle 1330 01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,080 they had before that and they definitely had something 'cause 1331 01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:46,920 they are considered one of the oldest Riverlands houses. 1332 01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:48,880 So we just don't know what castle it was. 1333 01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:50,800 Maybe it's not around anymore. Maybe it was torn down. 1334 01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:52,240 Maybe it was handed off to a different house. 1335 01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:55,920 But today we don't know. Phil H says missing are the 1336 01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,840 Kingsguard Squires always thought it odd they don't really 1337 01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:00,760 get mentioned. Yeah there's a few here and 1338 01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:02,440 there that they get talked about. 1339 01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:05,120 But you're right. It's it's kind of a not an 1340 01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:07,760 oversight but they just aren't talked about. 1341 01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:11,360 There's definitely, it's definitely been brought up, 1342 01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:12,640 though. For example, at the Tower of 1343 01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,120 Joy, You know, when we're thinking about there must have 1344 01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:16,720 been people there to help take care of Liana. 1345 01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:18,680 There must have been servants. Yeah, there must have been 1346 01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:21,480 Squires too. The Kingsguard must have had 1347 01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:24,000 some people to help them, right? They probably just weren't those 1348 01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,280 three dudes without any other men around to help them put 1349 01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:29,280 their armor on and sharpen their swords. 1350 01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:32,200 And yeah, it's it's just super normal to have Squires for 1351 01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:35,040 Knights, especially, you would think prominent Knights like the 1352 01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:38,440 Kingsguard. So yeah, a little bit of a 1353 01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,760 little bit of an absence there is felt sticking with the 1354 01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:44,400 Riverlands. The great John captive of the 1355 01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:46,800 phrase. You know captured after the Red 1356 01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:49,680 Wedding kept alive the sigil of a giant breaking its chains as 1357 01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:51,400 long felt like potential foreshadowing. 1358 01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:55,640 Now the reason we're not sure of his location because all that's 1359 01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:58,120 pretty straightforward. Captured by the phrase and kept 1360 01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,000 in captivity. But Jamie ordered him 1361 01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:03,480 transferred to the twins from the Twins to King's Landing, and 1362 01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:04,480 we don't know if that's happened yet. 1363 01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,600 And if it does, well, that might be the an opportunity for the 1364 01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:09,240 BWB or someone else to try to, like, break him out. 1365 01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:13,200 Nina also mentions that there's a possibility that the BWB might 1366 01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:17,520 attack the wedding of Davin Lannister to his Fray bride, 1367 01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,800 which if they do that, maybe that's when the Great John is 1368 01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,200 freed, if he's still in captivity in the same castle 1369 01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:24,360 where this wedding is taking place. 1370 01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:26,640 And the reason we might think that happened is that might 1371 01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:28,560 happen as well. The Brotherhood Without Banners 1372 01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:32,680 has infiltrated not just River Run, but maybe some other 1373 01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:34,640 places. So we'll see about that. 1374 01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:37,560 Last week we also talked about Harry and Car Struck as well as 1375 01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:39,840 Great John. He's at Maidenpool. 1376 01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:42,760 We think he may also have been brought to King's Landing. 1377 01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:45,720 He may have been transferred, so maybe there's not a big mystery 1378 01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:49,200 as to where he is, but his family wants to know where he is 1379 01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:53,800 because he's the heir to car hold and so his rights are a big 1380 01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:57,200 deal and they're up in the air. You know, who is he going to 1381 01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:58,000 live? Is he going to not live? 1382 01:06:58,000 --> 01:06:59,600 Is he going to come back and claim car hold? 1383 01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:01,560 Is it not so? Again, we won't spend much time 1384 01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:04,080 on this one because we talked about it quite a bit in the Car 1385 01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:06,600 Stark episode, but they haven't received any ransom demands 1386 01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:07,480 either. So it's all from from their 1387 01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:09,120 perspective, it's it's very puzzling. 1388 01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:14,080 Sandor Clegane This one has all sorts of exceptions to us. 1389 01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:15,800 You might not consider him missing. 1390 01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:20,280 You might though if you aren't a deeper fandom person and aren't 1391 01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:23,480 or don't believe he's the Grave Digger because we're pretty sure 1392 01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:25,280 he's the Grave Digger. It's Quad Isle, which means he's 1393 01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:29,760 not missing to readers. And in world arguably he's not 1394 01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:33,840 missing there either because most people think he's actively 1395 01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,520 raiding the Riverlands because his helm is still in use. 1396 01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:39,400 The Hounds Head Helm is raiding the Riverlands even though he's 1397 01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:43,560 not the one wearing it. Everyone thinks it's him and 1398 01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:46,160 it's been worn by several individuals of very low 1399 01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:49,440 character since the Hound, who maybe isn't a great example of 1400 01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:51,160 someone with great character, but he's certainly a better 1401 01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:52,680 person than the people that wore it after him. 1402 01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:56,320 It's currently worn by Lem Lemon Cloak, who will also have 1403 01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:59,000 mentioned a reason to mention later in the episode. 1404 01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:02,360 He's not such a bad guy, especially not compared to 1405 01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,800 Roorge who is about as bad as it gets. 1406 01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:11,520 But yeah, most people wouldn't even care if Sandor was dead, so 1407 01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:13,360 that's another factor of him not being missing. 1408 01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:15,840 But his brother wants to know where he is. 1409 01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:19,120 And the land, well, dead before he was also killed but. 1410 01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:22,439 And the Lannisters would want him to answer for running off. 1411 01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:24,040 But they don't even seem that concerned about it. 1412 01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,520 He's just one guy. They've got bigger problems and 1413 01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:28,479 it's an extremely dangerous dog hunt. 1414 01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:32,000 Like who can afford to send all these men after Sandor Clegane, 1415 01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:35,680 given how dangerous he is and his crimes aren't that big a 1416 01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:38,399 deal in the scheme of things. It's not like he's some, you 1417 01:08:38,399 --> 01:08:41,120 know, claimant that they need to worry about. 1418 01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:42,960 You know he's just one man that ran off. 1419 01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:46,840 So you know he gives the Kingsguard a bad name under the 1420 01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:48,600 Lannisters and and other things like that. 1421 01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:53,560 So missing within the narrative is is it's a little it's a maybe 1422 01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:56,080 because everybody thinks he's dead, but we don't. 1423 01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:58,399 But I wanted to include him anyway because of all the weird 1424 01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:01,760 peculiarities of his Helm representing his identity. 1425 01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:04,520 But he's actually alive. But he's not the guy with the 1426 01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:06,279 helm. But no one's looking for him. 1427 01:09:06,399 --> 01:09:08,279 But they would if they knew he was alive. 1428 01:09:08,279 --> 01:09:09,800 But they might not, because they might not. 1429 01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:13,880 Yes, it's all these funny, weird examples here that are kind of 1430 01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:16,800 unique to Sandor Clegane, which is fair. 1431 01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:19,520 He's a unique character. At one point, Sandor Clegane 1432 01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:22,760 insults the Brotherhood Without Banners by calling them Brave 1433 01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:25,240 Companions, which gets them so mad because he's he's 1434 01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:28,240 intentionally comparing them to the bloody Mummers. 1435 01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:30,399 The Who, you know, called themselves the Brave Companions. 1436 01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:34,000 And, well, a lot of them are still alive. 1437 01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,000 There's them. Fugitive Brave Companions out 1438 01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:37,720 there. The second in command of Vargo 1439 01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:41,680 Hote was faithful Erswick. Jamie tried to con Erswick and 1440 01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:43,520 you know, like, look, you guys are doing badly. 1441 01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:45,680 Get on our side here. And it didn't work, didn't work. 1442 01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:51,240 So Hote kind of went mad, you know he got a little power mad 1443 01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:53,240 with Harrenhall. He he got that fever when 1444 01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:56,000 Brienne bit his ear off and he'd rather die than give up his 1445 01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,200 castle. But it's very Theon, like really 1446 01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:00,800 like I'm going to go down with the ship. 1447 01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,080 At least he had an excuse of a fever. 1448 01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:06,360 Theon had no excuse for his horrible decision making but it 1449 01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:09,080 is a very similar situation here, just like Theon's men were 1450 01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:11,880 like this is a terrible idea. We're not hyper loyal to you. 1451 01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:15,960 I would much rather live than than go down with this. 1452 01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:19,200 The ship, the castle in this case and and faithful ers, 1453 01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:21,000 Wicken. Quite a few brave companions 1454 01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:25,120 also felt that way about Vargo. They're like, why would we stay 1455 01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,800 here and die with you just so you can die in your castle? 1456 01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,400 See ya, you know, Bye. They left. 1457 01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:34,240 And some of the ones that left with him include Zolo the Fat 1458 01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:36,440 who is a Dothraki that uses an Arak and a whip. 1459 01:10:36,440 --> 01:10:38,040 You know traditional Dothraki weapons. 1460 01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:40,800 This is the guy who actually cut off Jamie's hand. 1461 01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:45,000 It was Vargo's order. But Zolo did it and this is one 1462 01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:47,440 of the three who tried to rape Brienne before Jamie, like, 1463 01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:49,560 stopped him. He managed to talk them out of 1464 01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,840 it, and in A Feast for Crows, Jamie still thinks of him. 1465 01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:54,760 He's like, that's Zolo still out there. 1466 01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:57,320 I need to get him so Jamie hasn't forgotten. 1467 01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:01,240 Not that he would expect him to, but Jamie is is Once A reckoning 1468 01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:03,480 was Zolo. He also thinks of Shagwell and 1469 01:11:03,480 --> 01:11:07,320 Roorge, but those two are dead. Brien killed them both. 1470 01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:09,360 And if Brienne and Jamie ever get a chance to sit down and 1471 01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:12,920 talk, imagine that we'll he'd be happy to hear that she 1472 01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:15,080 specifically took care of Shagwell and Roorge. 1473 01:11:15,480 --> 01:11:17,640 And separately too, like they weren't together when when she 1474 01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:19,680 killed them. But she did kill them. 1475 01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:23,160 There's also a guy named Tog Joss who is an Ibanez member of 1476 01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:25,680 the Brave Companions. We know very little about him, 1477 01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:28,680 but he's presumably with Erswick wherever they are. 1478 01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:31,200 They may have escaped the Seven Kingdoms, but I'm guessing they 1479 01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:34,360 didn't, and there may be some specific people hunting them 1480 01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:36,680 that we'll mention in a second. There's also a guy named Three 1481 01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:41,160 Toes who's some regular dude who is missing some Toes, I guess, 1482 01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:43,480 and he's also just named as a Survivor. 1483 01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,520 So these people may turn up. If you see them just kind of 1484 01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:50,800 like some of the characters we mentioned earlier, they may show 1485 01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:52,400 up. This may be a way for George to 1486 01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:55,240 show their presence, like rather than reintroducing Zolo or 1487 01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:58,560 Erswick, we may see Tog Joth or Three Toes, and that's a clue 1488 01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:02,080 that those other slightly more prominent characters are nearby. 1489 01:12:02,480 --> 01:12:05,840 Sometimes that's how we figure out the bigger names are around, 1490 01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:10,400 is by connecting the dots to their associates, who are more 1491 01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:12,040 subtle. Technically, though, he's not 1492 01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:14,440 behaving like a fugitive and we pretty much know exactly where 1493 01:12:14,440 --> 01:12:16,760 he is. Kybern was a member of the Brave 1494 01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:20,120 Companions and is complicit in many of their crimes and is 1495 01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:23,120 guilty of plenty on his own. So Kyburn has actually caused 1496 01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:26,680 quite a few people to go missing in King's Landing in the Red 1497 01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:32,440 Keep. Very subtle and seen by very few 1498 01:12:32,440 --> 01:12:36,920 and very disturbing. The BWB had been hunting all of 1499 01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:41,400 the Brave Companions and they might still want to hunt down 1500 01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:43,360 Kyburn if they could. I'm not sure they're 1501 01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:44,680 specifically targeting him, though. 1502 01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:47,320 I think they would if they they could. 1503 01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:49,480 He's a little bit protected right now. 1504 01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:52,720 But honestly, Stoneheart isn't that concerned. 1505 01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:58,080 See, as awful as Vargo Hote was Vargo turned on Tywin. 1506 01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:00,880 He didn't turn on Rob. He would have turned on Rob, but 1507 01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:05,120 he it never got to that point. He cut off Jamie's hand, right? 1508 01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:09,200 So Stoneheart is no fan of Jamie or Tywin, So actually she 1509 01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:10,880 doesn't really care about the Brave Companions. 1510 01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:16,320 I don't think she wouldn't see them as a specific enemy. 1511 01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:19,240 They haven't wronged her cause And her 'cause is, you know, 1512 01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:22,760 find her family and get back those people that that killed 1513 01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:24,520 her family. And technically they didn't. 1514 01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:27,480 However, many Brother Without Banners left when Stoneheart 1515 01:13:27,480 --> 01:13:29,120 took over, 'cause they don't like her leadership. 1516 01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:32,840 They see how dark this things have become. 1517 01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:34,400 They don't like what they stand for anymore. 1518 01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:36,920 Under Barack, they were noble, they were helping people. 1519 01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:41,960 Under Stoneheart, it's it's more about accomplishing her revenge 1520 01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:44,000 goals and finding Aria, things like that. 1521 01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:47,200 So it's it's different, right? So let's talk about those other 1522 01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:50,000 ones. Those BWB who left, they are 1523 01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:54,320 apparently led by Edrick Dane. And now they may they're 1524 01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:57,080 probably not in the Riverlands anymore, but that's when we last 1525 01:13:57,080 --> 01:13:58,200 saw them. We're told they were headed 1526 01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:00,520 South. A lot of them went S to buy 1527 01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:03,720 grain and then a different group left. 1528 01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:07,360 So let's keep them separate. There's the group with Edrick, 1529 01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:10,280 and Edrick is 12 years old. He's the Lord of Starfall, has 1530 01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:15,400 pale slash ash colored hair, purple eyes, Squire to the 1531 01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:16,120 undead. Right. 1532 01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:18,360 We talked about Squires before to the King's car. 1533 01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:20,520 Well, he was a Squire to barrack Donderry, and even after he was 1534 01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:25,000 undead, so that's that's wild. He tells Arya about Willa, who 1535 01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:28,800 of course is in this episode. Willa is considered missing now. 1536 01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:32,560 Many supposedly went with Edrick and the only one we know for 1537 01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:35,600 sure of is Angai the Archer. Good guy to have as an ally, 1538 01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:36,760 right? Angai is awesome. 1539 01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:38,840 It's very likely they went to Starfall. 1540 01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:40,680 Like, why would they not go to Starfall? 1541 01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:42,720 He has a castle, right? He's like, well, where should we 1542 01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:44,720 go now? Why not go to my castle? 1543 01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:47,040 Y'all I have one like Oh yeah, you have a castle. 1544 01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:49,200 Let's go there. It's a, it would be a very 1545 01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:52,640 welcoming place for the BWB who have been living in caves and 1546 01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:55,680 and awful outdoors and, you know, being haunted. 1547 01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:58,080 You know, later on some of them might have been like, you know, 1548 01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:00,000 we should have gone with Edrick. Like they're probably sleeping 1549 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,240 in a nice bed down at Starfall, kind of out of harm's way. 1550 01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:05,680 Maybe they're not in harm. Maybe they are in harm's way, 1551 01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:08,720 though, because, you know, maybe Dark Star will go down there. 1552 01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:11,200 We've talked about how he might try to dishonorably and 1553 01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:16,160 violently claim Dawn. Maybe an guy will will stop him. 1554 01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:17,720 Maybe Edrick will stop him, Maybe they'll fail. 1555 01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:19,760 Maybe Dark Star will kill them or something like that. 1556 01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:21,040 Yikes. I don't want to see that happen, 1557 01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:22,960 but it might. Now we've we've talked before 1558 01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:25,200 about how Edrick was probably planned to be a more important 1559 01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:30,600 character, so his future is kind of missing in that he was maybe 1560 01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:33,400 expected to be the Sword of the Morning, maybe expected to be a 1561 01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:35,360 17 year old after the five year gap. 1562 01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:38,680 But since the five year gap was scrapped, what's the plan for 1563 01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:41,080 him? The outlook for his purpose in 1564 01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:45,200 the narrative is maybe missing. Those changes to the five year 1565 01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:50,520 gap really impacted House Dane, and well, it's really hard to 1566 01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:53,920 predict what that will mean. The only other gains at Starfall 1567 01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:59,320 right now might be Illyria and which is why Gerald might make 1568 01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:02,640 his move. You know, only a a woman that he 1569 01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:04,840 thinks he can capture and maybe forcibly marry. 1570 01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,720 He's not married, you know, that might be his way to sort of 1571 01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:11,080 seize the main branch of house Dawn away from his, you know, 1572 01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:12,920 nephew or not nephew, cousin Edrick. 1573 01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:14,560 And of course take Dawn in the process. 1574 01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:17,640 So this is a very interesting developing subplot that there 1575 01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:19,320 hasn't been much reason for George to touch on. 1576 01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:22,160 But Dorne is becoming a bigger part of the narrative. 1577 01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:24,160 These things could all tie together somehow. 1578 01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:28,360 When Obara and Aryo Hotago W to try to find Dark Star, they 1579 01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:31,640 might they may find that he already has Dawn and we hear you 1580 01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:37,040 know, what happened with that. Or they may go to High Hermitage 1581 01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:39,440 and find that he's at Starfall instead. 1582 01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:42,560 You know, hold up there at a bigger castle, like, you know, a 1583 01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:46,240 lot of possibilities there. Arguably Geraldine himself is 1584 01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:47,560 missing. I wouldn't go that far. 1585 01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:49,840 He's he's probably at High Hermitage, and if not he, you 1586 01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:50,960 know, he's probably in the vicinity. 1587 01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:53,520 But you know we'll throw him out there, as I mentioned, 'cause he 1588 01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:54,720 might not be where we think he is. 1589 01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:58,160 So that is a big dangling thread there with Edrick and Angai and 1590 01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:00,040 these guys. And I doubt George will just 1591 01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:01,400 leave it dangling though, you know. 1592 01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:04,040 But it is a it is something that it's hard to predict. 1593 01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:08,040 There's this unnamed Tirashi cell sword Captain During the 1594 01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:11,680 Battle of Camps when Rob's ambush and attack is so 1595 01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:14,360 successful, he switches sides. He's like, I'm not. 1596 01:17:14,440 --> 01:17:16,200 I don't have any loyalty to the Lannisters. 1597 01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:17,880 There's no reason for us to get killed here. 1598 01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:20,600 Let's let's join your team. But he's truly missing. 1599 01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:23,880 He and his men. They're truly missing. 1600 01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:27,000 When George was asked about these guys, George admits he 1601 01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:28,600 forgot. He just straight up forgot about 1602 01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:31,000 them. But he suggests kind of on the 1603 01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:32,640 fly at the time. He's like, yeah, well what 1604 01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:35,080 accidents I forgot, maybe we can come up swing right now he's 1605 01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:36,960 like, they probably just left. They probably deserted. 1606 01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:39,040 They probably just took their chance to go home. 1607 01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:42,560 When Rob started raiding the West, they could, they started 1608 01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:45,920 raiding on their own rather than following Rob's plans for. 1609 01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:48,080 They just start raiding the West and taking whatever they want 1610 01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:50,560 and then leaving. You know, just take catching 1611 01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:54,080 ship to go elsewhere. Back to Tyrosh, maybe. 1612 01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:58,560 Now Tyrion claims to have learned some Tai Rashi while 1613 01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:01,440 growing up there at Casually Rock, right? 1614 01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:04,320 He grew. He learned it from a Tai Rashi 1615 01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:07,200 sell sword. Maybe it was this guy, but it 1616 01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:10,840 could be this next example. Green beard, AKA pillow of Tai 1617 01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:13,360 Rash. He wound up in the BWB and we're 1618 01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:16,120 not sure how. The most likely suggestion is 1619 01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:19,360 that he fought during the early part of the War of 5 Kings and 1620 01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:20,880 deserted whatever side he was on. 1621 01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:24,000 George was asked which army he deserted from and at the time 1622 01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:27,560 George couldn't remember and it's never been followed up on 1623 01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:30,760 as far as we know of. He's big, a large guy, bigger 1624 01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:32,720 than lemon, lemon cloak, not as big as the hound. 1625 01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:36,160 And his beard is going Gray so that it's joke that he's Gray 1626 01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:38,480 beard instead of green beard. He does seem like a decent 1627 01:18:38,480 --> 01:18:40,120 enough guy there. He's not one of the ones that 1628 01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:42,160 stays with Stoneheart and it's kind of what you can maybe draw 1629 01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:44,400 a line there, like the ones who stayed with Stoneheart and maybe 1630 01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:47,000 a little of the lower quality individuals. 1631 01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:50,960 Although, you know, to be fair, Thoros Amir is one of them, but 1632 01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:53,080 it seems like the ones who don't want to work with Stoneheart are 1633 01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:56,000 the better, like more morally upright ones. 1634 01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:58,200 The ones that this is this has gone too far by their 1635 01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:01,440 perspective and it looks like maybe this Green Beard guy went 1636 01:19:01,440 --> 01:19:06,000 with he might be with Edrick so, but in fact he hasn't even been 1637 01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:11,200 around since the Stoneheart took over when they took Sandor's 1638 01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:14,520 gold, his prize that he won at the tournament. 1639 01:19:15,440 --> 01:19:18,800 They took they went S without money to try and buy food and 1640 01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:21,360 then come back. We have no idea whether they 1641 01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:24,040 were successful, whether they actually came back, but it was 1642 01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:26,960 him and the Mad Huntsman, so the Mad Huntsman could be considered 1643 01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:29,000 missing as well. The Mad Huntsman's family was 1644 01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:32,280 all killed by Lannisters. So which is why he's mad. 1645 01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:36,920 And yeah, so vindictive guy, but also doing the right things, 1646 01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:39,200 trying to help out the survivors and not just focused on his 1647 01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:41,320 revenge. And this pillow guy, well, 1648 01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:45,760 anyone who spends their time their their time throughout war, 1649 01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:49,960 concerned with feeding the hungry, they're OK by me. 1650 01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:53,480 And I hope we see him again because you know, the Westeros 1651 01:19:53,480 --> 01:19:56,040 could could use the good guys. He seems to be one. 1652 01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:59,400 People who aren't so good include a lot of the people that 1653 01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:02,440 were recruited by Yarin to go North Yarin's recruits. 1654 01:20:02,440 --> 01:20:06,040 There's a quite a few of these guys that we lose track of and 1655 01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:07,280 they deserve a quick mention here. 1656 01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:11,400 Cut, Jack Tarver, Merch, Guerin, Euregh, and Racing. 1657 01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:14,640 Kind of like some of these random nights Watchmen or other 1658 01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:19,000 BW beers or the guys with Captain Obvious. 1659 01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:21,320 They don't have a lot to know about them, but George is 1660 01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:24,680 careful to give them just enough detail to make them feel like 1661 01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:27,480 living characters to make really fill out the story. 1662 01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:31,960 To make the world building feel more realistic, Merch is the one 1663 01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:34,960 that yells at Roorge and Biter for mocking a dying woman. 1664 01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:38,320 He's probably killed by Emery Lorch's men, but we don't see 1665 01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:41,600 him die. Ditto Yureg and Raisin. 1666 01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:43,760 Guerin was wounded. They had to leave him behind, so 1667 01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:45,400 he's even more likely to have been killed. 1668 01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:48,880 But all these guys were going north to join the wall with 1669 01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:50,920 Yaron. Some of them were volunteers, 1670 01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:55,080 some of them were criminals. They, you know, Cut Jack and 1671 01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:58,160 Tarver survived the battle against Emery Lorch along with 1672 01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:01,160 Gendry, Hot Pie, Lami, Arya and Weasel. 1673 01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:03,520 But these are the two that run away. 1674 01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:05,920 Once they survive the battle, they take everything of value 1675 01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:07,640 and leave the young people behind. 1676 01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:09,760 Tarbor wasn't much older than them. 1677 01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:12,440 He was young, but older than, you know, he wasn't. 1678 01:21:12,440 --> 01:21:16,000 I guess he wasn't a teenager. Cut Jack was an adult who was a 1679 01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:19,080 former stone Mason. Rayson was an older man with a 1680 01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:22,280 walking staff. Most of these guys showed they 1681 01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:23,560 were tough. They were willing to stand up to 1682 01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:26,800 Emery Lorch Yoran is considered missing by the Nights Watch at 1683 01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:29,160 this point. Now, given a given enough time, 1684 01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:31,240 they'll consider him dead. And that would be correct 1685 01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:33,840 because we saw him die, or at least we saw his body. 1686 01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:37,760 Maybe Ari will tell John though, like they don't know the story, 1687 01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:40,920 but someone is a witness that is connected to the current Lord 1688 01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:43,400 Commander. Very connected, Ari and John, so 1689 01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:45,040 maybe he even gets a light memorial. 1690 01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:47,920 Maybe he gets a burial, A posthumous acknowledgement for 1691 01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:50,120 his great years, as many years of service. 1692 01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:52,680 And these are perhaps among the characters of today that we are 1693 01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:54,680 the least likely to ever see again. 1694 01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:57,440 It's almost amazing that I bothered with them, but again, I 1695 01:21:57,440 --> 01:22:00,360 wanted to show the sprawl. The narrative purpose exists for 1696 01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:01,720 a reason. Of these characters. 1697 01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:04,640 George wants this world to be big, and they are. 1698 01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:07,960 These are the details that make it bigger characters that you 1699 01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:11,400 can for easily forget about And they you know Tarbor does 1700 01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:15,160 something kind of interesting here he which is makes it worth 1701 01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:17,200 it to pay attention to minor characters at least what they do 1702 01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:20,360 if not them. He throws acorns in a grave so 1703 01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:21,800 that a tree might eventually mark the spot. 1704 01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:25,200 It's like an organic gravestone, right, A natural gravestone. 1705 01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:28,440 It's probably a custom that he didn't come up with on his own. 1706 01:22:28,440 --> 01:22:31,000 This is probably something that a lot of people do yet it's the 1707 01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:32,720 only he's like the only one we see do it. 1708 01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:35,680 So he's sort of the representative of this custom 1709 01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:37,040 within the narrative within the story. 1710 01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:41,160 And cut Jack at another point helps dig a grave for the next 1711 01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:45,600 character's mother, the same dying woman that it was. 1712 01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:50,480 Apparently Weasel's mother and Weasel was a girl that never 1713 01:22:50,480 --> 01:22:53,600 speaks. She stays with Lami when Arya 1714 01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:55,960 and Hot Pie try to sneak into the village that the mountains 1715 01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:58,960 men have captured and they want to rescue Gendry. 1716 01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:02,960 And when they come back, Lami's still lying there on the ground 1717 01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:06,400 'cause he's his leg is hurt, but Weasel is smartly run off. 1718 01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:11,040 She also is very symbolic of a lot of other characters that 1719 01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:14,480 don't have names or faces, and she barely has one herself 1720 01:23:14,480 --> 01:23:15,600 because we don't know her real name. 1721 01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:19,120 She's poor and helpless. She's a child who she's She's 1722 01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:22,520 symbolic of the horrors of war, the impact on the most powerless 1723 01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:25,160 people. Her trauma is extensive, like 1724 01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:27,400 that's why she doesn't talk. We're pretty sure she's probably 1725 01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:30,880 not born mute, but it's possible she eats mud. 1726 01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:33,240 It's a sign of malnourishment, right? 1727 01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:37,760 That's sad and but on the plus side, she's also a symbol of 1728 01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:42,200 resilience and strength through adversity and making it through 1729 01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:44,680 because that's what Ari considers her. 1730 01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:47,200 She considers her resilient and stubborn despite, you know, 1731 01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:49,720 everything going on in her predicament and how she's not 1732 01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:52,280 particularly capable of much because she's young and and weak 1733 01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:55,120 and and all that. But Ari admires that about her 1734 01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:57,000 and respects it. These are qualities she 1735 01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:59,280 possesses herself. And it really gets me because I 1736 01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:02,120 think a lot of us out there have been impacted by people in our 1737 01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:05,800 lives that we maybe you only saw them once, maybe you saw a 1738 01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:09,320 stranger crying on a subway or for me, the one I I think the 1739 01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:14,040 one that comes back to for me is one time I was in Las Vegas and 1740 01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:16,200 done for the night. We're going to have a meal and I 1741 01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:19,400 just saw this dude just like Breakdown crying at the at a 1742 01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:22,240 table next to us and he's like guess his wife or his sister or 1743 01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:24,680 someone who's just like trying to comfort him. 1744 01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:26,200 It's pretty obvious what happened. 1745 01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:29,280 Most likely this guy just lost a ton of money, money that he 1746 01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:32,080 probably couldn't afford. You know it's a pretty regular 1747 01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:34,240 thing to see at a casino. But for some reason I just, I I 1748 01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:36,080 think about this this happened 20 years ago. 1749 01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:39,440 Just a memory that that kind of. I wouldn't say it haunts me, but 1750 01:24:39,480 --> 01:24:42,840 it's not that powerful. But it's not a pleasant thought. 1751 01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,760 So, you know, you might not have context of seeing this stranger 1752 01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:49,840 meltdown or have problems, but you can have that sympathy, 1753 01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:51,920 'cause, you know, well, everyone goes through stuff. 1754 01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:53,640 Everyone has problems in their lives. 1755 01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:57,040 And I'm sure that this is a legit one, you know, This is, 1756 01:24:57,320 --> 01:24:59,640 you can sympathize without even knowing what the problem is. 1757 01:25:00,480 --> 01:25:02,120 And here we do know what a lot of problems are. 1758 01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:03,200 We don't know why she can't speak. 1759 01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:04,080 We don't know what she went through. 1760 01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:07,040 But we can imagine it's a war she's lived through, war. 1761 01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:09,520 Her mother's dead. We saw that, right? 1762 01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:11,760 That gets horrible. You don't have to imagine much. 1763 01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:14,440 And Arya doesn't forget her, Arya. 1764 01:25:14,440 --> 01:25:16,040 So we shouldn't. I mean, we shouldn't anyway. 1765 01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:19,120 But Arya doesn't. Arya uses her name and Heron all 1766 01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:20,120 she's like with her. What's your name? 1767 01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:22,000 She's like Weasel, you know And then later they're like that 1768 01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:24,680 that's not your name. For a while she gets away with 1769 01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:25,920 it. But Ruth Bolton won't take, 1770 01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:27,520 won't accept that and he's like Nan. 1771 01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:30,160 OK, Nan, there you go. There's your actual name which 1772 01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:35,440 which it isn't but you know and but it keeps Weasel's memory 1773 01:25:35,440 --> 01:25:38,360 alive. It's it's fitting that Arya in 1774 01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:41,840 this position is also a ref, a child refugee that's very 1775 01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:45,960 similar to Weasel, and it enhances her role as the 1776 01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:48,360 embodiment of innocent people in war. 1777 01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:51,720 And again in A Feast for Crows. When Arya meets the Waif, she 1778 01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:54,880 thinks of Weasel again. So this character, Arya's not 1779 01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:56,760 forgotten Weasel. Arya is probably going to think 1780 01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:59,360 of Weasel again. I really doubt we ever see her 1781 01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:03,640 again, but she's going to remain in Arya's mind as a callback. 1782 01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:07,040 Maybe a little bit like how Tyrion thinks of Taisha and 1783 01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:10,800 Taisha's way had a much bigger role in Tyrion's life, but it's 1784 01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:13,280 a character that we'll probably never see again. 1785 01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:15,720 Of course, we've never actually seen Taisha, but you get the 1786 01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:17,880 point. Someone that keeps coming back, 1787 01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:20,000 Someone that in their memory, they can't stop thinking about 1788 01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:22,080 because of the impact, because of how sad it makes them, 1789 01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:25,520 because of how impactful it was. Let's talk about Arya. 1790 01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:28,520 Not lost to us, but certainly missing from the perspective of 1791 01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:31,440 pretty much everyone, right? There's a couple people who know 1792 01:26:31,440 --> 01:26:36,560 she's alive, you know, Hot Pie, Gendry, a couple of the Brother 1793 01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:40,440 Without Banners, Sandor Wright. But even they don't know that 1794 01:26:40,440 --> 01:26:43,200 she's still alive, right? They don't know. 1795 01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:46,120 Like, like it was with prior characters we've discussed. 1796 01:26:46,120 --> 01:26:48,400 Just because they knew she was alive doesn't mean that they 1797 01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:50,360 know she's still alive. A lot could have happened. 1798 01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:54,080 And of course, Arya can identify Jane, and Jane can identify 1799 01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:55,840 Arya. Meaning not Jane Westerling. 1800 01:26:56,120 --> 01:26:58,040 Jane Poole, right. Jane Poole. 1801 01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:01,360 Jane of the missing Nose, who was forced to stand in for Arya 1802 01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:06,520 and Mary Ramsey. So it's interesting too, Arya. 1803 01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:09,400 It's part of a missing part of a recurring pattern for her. 1804 01:27:09,440 --> 01:27:10,920 She's gone missing several times, right? 1805 01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:12,920 She goes missing after the incident with Micah. 1806 01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:16,320 Then she gets missing in the Red Keep when she gets lost chasing 1807 01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:19,640 Valerian and ends up in the, you know, below the Red Keep in the 1808 01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:21,720 tunnels and overhears Virus and Illyrio. 1809 01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:23,680 And they're looking for her both those times. 1810 01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:25,760 Like, where's Arya? Where'd she go? 1811 01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:29,440 And you know she's going to make some people disappear too, you 1812 01:27:29,440 --> 01:27:30,800 know, she makes people go missing. 1813 01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:32,560 She's already made Darien go missing. 1814 01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:34,920 Although Basil's men found out about that one, they haven't 1815 01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:37,480 even seen it. She also made Wrath the sweetly 1816 01:27:37,480 --> 01:27:40,920 disappear in the Mercy chapter. They're probably going to know 1817 01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:44,960 about that one too, and her masters might have to. 1818 01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:46,920 Well, there. There's going to be a reckoning 1819 01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:49,320 for her based on her, her creating more missing people. 1820 01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:50,720 She's not supposed to have done that. 1821 01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:54,120 That wasn't a thing that that was an Aria thing to do. 1822 01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:57,240 That was a revenge piece from Arya Stark. 1823 01:27:57,240 --> 01:28:00,000 Not something that, you know no one would do. 1824 01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:05,160 So yeah, that Arya herself is her return to the Seven Kingdom, 1825 01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:08,360 and how she becomes unmissing and who she becomes unmissing to 1826 01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:11,960 is a lot to look forward to. But one of the conduits to that, 1827 01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:14,760 one of the conduits to her return, and one of the parts of 1828 01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:18,400 her future is absolutely Nymeria. 1829 01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:21,840 All the Starks are listed as missing in this episode, but Ari 1830 01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:25,120 is the only one who separated from her living wolf. 1831 01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:28,760 You know, I wrote in the document cries in Lady here 1832 01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:31,800 'cause I had to put Living Wolf for that clarification there 1833 01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:34,120 because sorry, as we know Rick and still was Shaggy Brand's 1834 01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:38,440 definitely was Summer John's. Well, Ghost was not that far 1835 01:28:38,440 --> 01:28:39,880 away. You know Ghost is at Castle 1836 01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:41,920 Black. John may be closer to Ghost than 1837 01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:45,440 he's ever been. That's true inside of Ghost. 1838 01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:49,120 Good point. So the Riverlands has not 1839 01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:51,400 forgotten about Nymeria though they may they've they've they're 1840 01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:53,360 more aware of Nymeria than they are of Arya. 1841 01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:57,280 Probably because of this Wolf Pack is just ruling the the 1842 01:28:57,280 --> 01:28:58,240 river lands. Right. 1843 01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:01,040 And it's in a manner that reminds me of her namesake as in 1844 01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:05,080 Nymeria of the Roinar, you got refugee wolves you know lost in 1845 01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:06,960 a land that's not their own right now. 1846 01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:09,280 She's not from there. She's not from the river lands. 1847 01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:10,240 Right. She's from the north. 1848 01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:13,280 You know the river lands is kind of like where Nymeria of the 1849 01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:15,640 Roinar's from. They that's the river lands of 1850 01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:17,280 Essos. They they're river people. 1851 01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:19,440 The Roinar didn't expand beyond the river. 1852 01:29:19,440 --> 01:29:21,800 They loved the river so much that they didn't really colonize 1853 01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:25,480 elsewhere. So yeah, a big question I have 1854 01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:29,760 for Arya about about Nymeria is will she lead the entire 1855 01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:31,760 Wolfpack? Because Nymeria leads the 1856 01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:34,320 Wolfpack and if Arya can lead Nymeria, then that implies she 1857 01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:36,920 will have like a wolf army. I don't know what she's going to 1858 01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:39,440 do with that. Probably go north, but maybe 1859 01:29:39,440 --> 01:29:42,200 not. Maybe it'll help free Jane 1860 01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:46,520 Westerling and and Ed Muir from this, this this group that's 1861 01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:50,320 going to Cassidy Rock from from River Run that Jamie sent. 1862 01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:52,640 Yeah, a lot of possibilities there. 1863 01:29:53,440 --> 01:29:57,640 Arya was going to have quite a glow up from hiding beneath 1864 01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:02,840 dungeons and following cats to peering through cat's eyes and 1865 01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:05,040 leading perhaps an entire pack of wolves. 1866 01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:11,760 If not that, definitely one enormous alpha wolf who every 1867 01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:13,880 day grows more and more like her namesake. 1868 01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:16,520 Maybe even more. Maybe even more vicious. 1869 01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:18,800 Yeah, Night Maria of the Run. I wasn't vicious, she was just a 1870 01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:20,920 good leader and had to make tough decisions. 1871 01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:24,880 This, this wolfish being, doesn't really have to make 1872 01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:26,840 decisions. She just has to hunt and kill 1873 01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:30,960 and well, I'm excited to see what the Chekhov's wolf is going 1874 01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:33,520 to do. But definitely considered 1875 01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:35,840 missing from Arya's perspective, Even if she occasionally has 1876 01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:38,320 dreams of her and and probably knows she's in the Riverlands 1877 01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:40,360 because that's where she let her go, That's where she drove her 1878 01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:42,560 off. You know, back in book one, 1879 01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:46,040 sticking with the Starks. Let's go to Sansa in the Veil. 1880 01:30:46,240 --> 01:30:49,680 Elaine, we should call her, just like so many of the Starks. 1881 01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:52,120 Not only are they missing, but they're under assumed names. 1882 01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:53,560 That's really just for the Starks girls. 1883 01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:55,560 Bran still Bran. Rickon. 1884 01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:59,400 Still Rickon. But you know, Sansa's Elaine. 1885 01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:02,000 Aria's had, you know, countless names, right? 1886 01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:04,760 And currently is no one, Which is sort of a name, sort of. 1887 01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:07,960 Not Anyway. Like Aria, we know where Sansa 1888 01:31:07,960 --> 01:31:10,840 is, but she's concealed from almost everyone. 1889 01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:13,000 There's definitely a few people that know where she is. 1890 01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:17,120 Unlike Arya, for the most part, no one suspects that she's dead. 1891 01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:20,280 They suspect she ran off after the Purple Wedding. 1892 01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:22,240 Well, she did run off. That's not a suspicion. 1893 01:31:22,240 --> 01:31:25,200 That is what happened. Some people think she was a part 1894 01:31:25,200 --> 01:31:26,520 of it. Some people think she helped 1895 01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:29,000 poison Joffrey, but she's complicit and that's why some 1896 01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:31,120 people are looking for her. Some people think she has bat 1897 01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:33,080 wings. Some people think she has bat. 1898 01:31:33,480 --> 01:31:35,520 Wings, I don't know. People think some crazy things. 1899 01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:38,320 You're right. People have some odd takes on 1900 01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:39,680 Sansa. And we're not talking about 1901 01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:43,840 theories about her and by fans. We're talking about in world 1902 01:31:44,640 --> 01:31:47,240 that is an in world. You know, it's like it's one of 1903 01:31:47,240 --> 01:31:49,960 those tabloid style rumors that like most people wouldn't take 1904 01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:51,960 seriously. But it it it's, it's still being 1905 01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:54,480 said. You know, like Robb Stark 1906 01:31:54,480 --> 01:31:56,720 turning into a wolf. You know, it's like, Yep, 1907 01:31:56,880 --> 01:31:59,000 turning into a turning into a bat. 1908 01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:02,240 So at least a few people have figured out who she is, though. 1909 01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:05,240 And this is a good case of we don't need to discuss this one 1910 01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:07,600 so much as just to point out where we've discussed it 1911 01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:11,760 separately, which is in the Elaine T Wow chapter episode 1912 01:32:12,120 --> 01:32:15,280 where we discuss characters like Miranda Royce and the mad Mouse 1913 01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:18,720 who have probably figured out who she is, so she's not missing 1914 01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:21,040 to them. But what will they do with this 1915 01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:24,600 information, this limited information that only a few 1916 01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:27,720 people have? And how will her reveal go like 1917 01:32:27,720 --> 01:32:30,480 Bran and Re emerging from the north will be a big deal. 1918 01:32:30,480 --> 01:32:33,880 Arya won't be as much of A political big deal, but the 1919 01:32:33,880 --> 01:32:37,440 things she does after she comes back to Westeros will have a 1920 01:32:37,440 --> 01:32:40,240 huge impact. And you know, John, maybe we 1921 01:32:40,240 --> 01:32:43,520 finding finding out about his death and maybe finding out 1922 01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:45,840 about his heritage, that's a huge deal, Could have massive 1923 01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:50,440 political implications. Reckon's reemergence could, you 1924 01:32:50,440 --> 01:32:53,600 know, be a part of the claim to the North. 1925 01:32:54,080 --> 01:32:57,560 Tyrion's reemergence will have a big impact on politics as well, 1926 01:32:57,560 --> 01:32:59,720 which will probably be alongside Danny, which will have an 1927 01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:02,000 enormous impact. So lots of these characters are 1928 01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:04,480 going to have an enormous impact through their reappearance. 1929 01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:07,600 Sansa will be one of them, revealing her true identity in 1930 01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:12,040 front of the Veil, whether on schedule or because someone else 1931 01:33:12,040 --> 01:33:16,040 reveals it prematurely. Well, it's going to be big and 1932 01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:18,680 she won't be missing anymore after that. 1933 01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:22,280 It will be that part of her story will have ended very 1934 01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:25,720 suddenly and dramatically, and we'll see what the reaction is 1935 01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:28,800 going to be. But definitely like her family, 1936 01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:32,120 she's among the missing now, sticking in the veil. 1937 01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:35,840 We got nettles and sheep stealer flying back far in time after 1938 01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:38,840 Rainiera turns on her and Damon. Of course this is book version. 1939 01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:40,160 It might go differently in the show. 1940 01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:42,200 We might not even have a nettles in the show. 1941 01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:45,520 Check out our episodes on House of the Dragon for theories about 1942 01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:47,000 that. Anyway, sticking with the books, 1943 01:33:47,320 --> 01:33:49,240 she flies off into the sunset, right? 1944 01:33:49,240 --> 01:33:52,480 Like an actual literal flying off into the sunset. 1945 01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:55,560 Actually, it's more like a Nope, not literal flying off in the 1946 01:33:55,560 --> 01:34:00,040 sunset because she flew east, so she flew into the sunrise, but 1947 01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:03,200 whatever. close enough, close enough, apparently made her home 1948 01:34:03,200 --> 01:34:04,520 in the Veil. The World of Ice and Fire 1949 01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:09,320 revealed that there was this, maybe a strange fire witch that 1950 01:34:09,320 --> 01:34:11,720 had a dragon. Who else could that be but 1951 01:34:11,720 --> 01:34:13,960 Nettles? And this is apparently how the 1952 01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:17,440 Burned Men clan became a thing. They would they would burn a 1953 01:34:17,440 --> 01:34:20,280 piece of themselves to win her favor. 1954 01:34:20,480 --> 01:34:22,960 And this tradition carried on because by now she's almost 1955 01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:25,600 certainly dead. So she's not in some sense she's 1956 01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:29,320 not missing because no one went looking for her that we know of 1957 01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:32,440 in the story, But she's definitely missing from, like, 1958 01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:34,480 we want to know what happened to her. 1959 01:34:34,480 --> 01:34:37,800 And sheep stealer, Maybe they just lived in peace the rest of 1960 01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:43,760 their lives in the veil in this remote location, but maybe not. 1961 01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:46,920 Maybe there's more to it now. She doesn't die, you know, 1962 01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:48,560 during the war, which makes her special. 1963 01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:51,080 One of the few dragon riders that survives it. 1964 01:34:51,720 --> 01:34:53,560 But it's not clear that this is a happy ending. 1965 01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:57,360 I mean, it's pretty sad, right? She doesn't have the connection 1966 01:34:57,360 --> 01:34:58,680 to Damon. Whatever it is, they don't get 1967 01:34:58,680 --> 01:35:01,640 to live with that connection, whether it's a father, daughter 1968 01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:04,800 relationship or as lovers. Either way, they don't get to 1969 01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:06,160 have it. They don't get to experience 1970 01:35:06,160 --> 01:35:09,400 this thing that they wanted, and they're betrayed by the side 1971 01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:12,640 that they're fighting for that they have honestly fought for. 1972 01:35:12,640 --> 01:35:16,120 She wasn't going to change sides, So Rainier was just 1973 01:35:16,120 --> 01:35:19,280 wrong. And she has to go live with 1974 01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:22,480 Klansmen, which, you know, maybe this is like a Dances with 1975 01:35:22,480 --> 01:35:25,160 Wolves, Dances with Burned Men thing where she was actually 1976 01:35:25,160 --> 01:35:27,120 happy with it. But I wouldn't guess that I 1977 01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:29,600 don't think that living in exile was amazing. 1978 01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:31,560 On the other hand, she might have could have gone somewhere 1979 01:35:31,560 --> 01:35:32,800 else. I mean, she has her dragon. 1980 01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:35,040 She could have flown off if she didn't like it there. 1981 01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:36,720 She had the means to go elsewhere. 1982 01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:39,880 Maybe she couldn't imagine a place that would welcome her, 1983 01:35:39,880 --> 01:35:41,000 though. I mean, like, where am I going 1984 01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:43,000 to go live? Like, who's going to welcome me? 1985 01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:44,880 I don't know. So I would lean towards this is 1986 01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:47,120 not a good ending for her. Like, it was kind of sad. 1987 01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:50,880 Nina agrees. This is not a this is far from a 1988 01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:54,280 best case scenario, and she had to be isolated. 1989 01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:58,840 And we've seen how being worshipped as a God isn't a good 1990 01:35:58,840 --> 01:36:02,240 life. Like, Danny is lonely in that. 1991 01:36:02,240 --> 01:36:05,760 And yeah, maybe she actually liked it. 1992 01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:08,160 But nothing about what we learn about nettles indicates that 1993 01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:09,560 this would be a life she would enjoy. 1994 01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:13,040 Then again, we don't know her very well, so this comes up in 1995 01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:15,360 our Clans of the Veil episode as well. 1996 01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:17,800 Of course, in Dance of the Dragons, we cover metals as 1997 01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:18,760 well. That's our series with Radio 1998 01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:20,640 Westeros. I would love to know how long 1999 01:36:20,640 --> 01:36:22,880 she lived. The burned men would know things 2000 01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:24,800 about her. I kind of doubt that's a vector 2001 01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:26,600 for us to hear about her, but it is possible. 2002 01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:29,280 You know, they'd have like someone like Timit, son of Timit 2003 01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:32,640 would know the lore of their clan and and there might be some 2004 01:36:32,640 --> 01:36:34,120 information there, you know, You never know. 2005 01:36:34,120 --> 01:36:36,720 Maybe Tyrion's obsessed with Dragons. 2006 01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:39,120 The burned men will be associated with Tyrion, 2007 01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:42,800 probably, if they're back in the story, and that's a path for 2008 01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:47,400 that story to to be told. But I wouldn't bet on it. 2009 01:36:48,640 --> 01:36:51,760 But it's also really interesting too, Just the fact that she hid 2010 01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:53,240 in the veil. She didn't leave the continent, 2011 01:36:53,240 --> 01:36:55,920 you know, she didn't go beyond the wall, but other people, 2012 01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:57,920 other people might, you know, not on a dragon. 2013 01:36:57,920 --> 01:36:59,680 You don't go beyond the wall on a dragon, apparently. 2014 01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:01,520 Would love to know what happened to nettles. 2015 01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:02,760 Would love to know what happened to Sheep Stealer. 2016 01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:05,640 Definitely consider her belonging in this group now. 2017 01:37:06,640 --> 01:37:08,200 King's Landing. Several characters there. 2018 01:37:08,200 --> 01:37:11,480 Tyrek Lannister, nicknamed Wet Nurse because he was betrothed 2019 01:37:11,480 --> 01:37:14,880 to a baby. This baby is also a lady, 2020 01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:17,680 though. It's Lady Ermeson Hayford and it 2021 01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:20,800 was a way for House Lannister to claim the Hayford lands. 2022 01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:24,720 And Tyrek will have kids with Ermes and eventually and their 2023 01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:27,000 kids will be Lannisters because he's a boy. 2024 01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:28,480 You know they didn't do the keep her name. 2025 01:37:28,520 --> 01:37:29,800 It wasn't a matrilineal marriage. 2026 01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:34,080 Tyrek was one of Robert Squires, alongside Lancel, So he was 2027 01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:35,880 there when Robert was killed by the boar. 2028 01:37:36,520 --> 01:37:38,160 And then we'll talk. We're told it was Lancel who 2029 01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:41,320 gave him the strong line. Are we supposed to believe Tyrek 2030 01:37:41,320 --> 01:37:44,840 was entirely ignorant of that? Well, maybe he it's possible, 2031 01:37:44,840 --> 01:37:48,480 but he very likely observed or otherwise knew about it was 2032 01:37:48,480 --> 01:37:50,440 involved somehow. But he vanished. 2033 01:37:50,440 --> 01:37:52,840 During the riot in the Clash of Kings, the Bread Riot, Tyrion 2034 01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:54,960 ordered a search for him. Then in the Storm of Swords, 2035 01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:58,560 Tywin orders another search for him, insists on continuing it 2036 01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:01,120 well after they have turned up nothing, Adam Marbrand is 2037 01:38:01,120 --> 01:38:03,360 promoted to Lord Commander. The Gold Cloaks continues the 2038 01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:07,680 search for Tyrek points out how Tywin is stubborn where his 2039 01:38:07,680 --> 01:38:11,880 blood is concerned, and I mean to continue the search. 2040 01:38:12,440 --> 01:38:15,840 Basically the wording there. And there's some curious meta 2041 01:38:15,880 --> 01:38:19,240 with Tyrek as well. Like back in the days when there 2042 01:38:19,240 --> 01:38:22,760 was only the first two books, theories about Tyrek began to 2043 01:38:22,760 --> 01:38:26,880 form, like they were already pointing to Virus due to his 2044 01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:30,160 absence from that procession. Right, there's the the they all 2045 01:38:30,160 --> 01:38:34,080 go to see Marcella off, and Virus isn't part of the group 2046 01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:35,480 where you might expect him to be. 2047 01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:36,960 And so there, that's the suspicion. 2048 01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:38,080 He's like, well, Virus wasn't there. 2049 01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:42,760 Maybe he kicks, kicked off the riot, snatched Tyrek and has him 2050 01:38:42,760 --> 01:38:46,400 in hiding somewhere. And this is basically what 2051 01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:49,400 theories pop up in world two books later in A Feast for 2052 01:38:49,400 --> 01:38:51,360 Crows. All the fan theories are what 2053 01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:54,800 Jamie basically has. He's like Virus is probably 2054 01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:57,000 involved. He may have started the riot. 2055 01:38:57,000 --> 01:39:00,120 He wasn't there during it. You know, he may have taken 2056 01:39:00,120 --> 01:39:04,880 Tyreq, all the theories that the fandom had about Tyreq or what 2057 01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:06,640 Jamie has. That was really neat, a very 2058 01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:08,280 meta. It's potentially very valuable 2059 01:39:08,280 --> 01:39:10,080 to Varys. Why would Varys want Tyreq? 2060 01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:13,480 Well, it could doom Cersei's rule if she's outed for murder 2061 01:39:13,480 --> 01:39:16,040 and robber like like, oh, we were all so sad that Robert was 2062 01:39:16,040 --> 01:39:17,520 killed, you know, and blah blah blah. 2063 01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:19,520 But what if it comes out that she was part of it? 2064 01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:24,120 That could be part of how Varys helps his claimant get Cersei 2065 01:39:24,160 --> 01:39:27,880 off the throne in order to install Aegon the 6th, who is 2066 01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:29,840 who he's supporting. We're all very much looking 2067 01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:33,520 forward to how Varys supports his claimant through subterfuge 2068 01:39:33,520 --> 01:39:37,240 and whispers and intrigue, the type of which he's been holding 2069 01:39:37,240 --> 01:39:40,040 back on because he's been, you know, playing it safe and 2070 01:39:40,120 --> 01:39:42,640 playing both sides and making sure everyone gets a little bit 2071 01:39:42,640 --> 01:39:44,560 of value from him. So they all want to keep him 2072 01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:47,720 alive. But now he's just full on my 2073 01:39:47,720 --> 01:39:48,840 candidate. You know. 2074 01:39:48,840 --> 01:39:52,960 And he's going to the gloves are off where he can take people 2075 01:39:52,960 --> 01:39:55,360 down and reveal all these secrets he's been hiding and 2076 01:39:55,360 --> 01:39:59,160 whatever plans he's been pulling together for the past several 2077 01:39:59,160 --> 01:40:01,880 decades, he's it's ready. It's time to unleash those. 2078 01:40:01,880 --> 01:40:07,920 So if Tyrek is somewhere in hiding under viruses control, 2079 01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:11,960 the win's a winner is when he might emerge, though he might 2080 01:40:11,960 --> 01:40:16,240 now be, you know, excess. They they've already got their 2081 01:40:16,240 --> 01:40:18,760 Lance or they've got Tyrion. Now do they also need Tyrek? 2082 01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:20,960 Well, they might because of what he knows, because he's the 2083 01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:23,400 witness to regicide and all these other things. 2084 01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:28,200 Tyrion is not a witness to Cersei planning to kill Jamie. 2085 01:40:28,200 --> 01:40:33,280 I mean Robert and Lancell also knows, however, and Lancell 2086 01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:35,520 might talk as well, and you might need both of them talking. 2087 01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:38,920 You might need Lancell and Tyrek to verify the story, because one 2088 01:40:38,920 --> 01:40:41,120 witness might not be enough. Multiple people telling the same 2089 01:40:41,120 --> 01:40:44,240 story. You're swearing on their sword 2090 01:40:44,240 --> 01:40:47,120 or whatever that that matters more than just one person doing 2091 01:40:47,120 --> 01:40:49,280 it. Sticking with Cersei and her 2092 01:40:50,080 --> 01:40:55,240 very sketchy leadership, Her, you know, slender hold on power 2093 01:40:55,720 --> 01:40:57,600 when things started to go bad for her. 2094 01:40:57,600 --> 01:40:59,960 Now she's recovered a bit, of course, but when it first had to 2095 01:40:59,960 --> 01:41:03,240 go bad for her and the the Faith of the Seven seized her, her 2096 01:41:03,240 --> 01:41:06,160 young and inexperienced master of ship slash Lord Admiral, 2097 01:41:06,160 --> 01:41:08,840 'cause you know, she wanted those new titles in play, stole 2098 01:41:08,840 --> 01:41:10,560 all her fancy. New Dromans. 2099 01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:14,440 She gave him command to them and when she was captured, he just 2100 01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:17,000 left, took all the ships and skedaddled. 2101 01:41:18,240 --> 01:41:21,360 As we've said in a few places in a few prior episodes. 2102 01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:24,440 He's most likely this new guy calling himself the Lord of the 2103 01:41:24,440 --> 01:41:29,040 Waters who is set up on the step stone called Torturers Deep. 2104 01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:30,320 There's a bunch of different step stones. 2105 01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:31,600 We don't have the names for all of them. 2106 01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:32,760 Hey, you could call that missing. 2107 01:41:32,760 --> 01:41:35,600 The names of some of the step stones are missing, but this one 2108 01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:37,480 is called Torturers Deep. That's almost certainly Orion 2109 01:41:37,480 --> 01:41:42,480 Waters, and his plot line will very possibly revolve around 2110 01:41:42,480 --> 01:41:45,280 maybe stuff happening with Salad or Sun also in the step stones, 2111 01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:50,080 but maybe even more likely to connect to the lysine ship that 2112 01:41:50,160 --> 01:41:54,040 knows about Hardhome or Danny's ships coming through that will 2113 01:41:54,040 --> 01:41:57,720 encounter him and maybe hook up with him or be an enemy. 2114 01:41:57,720 --> 01:41:59,880 Who knows? There's a lot of these ten ships 2115 01:41:59,880 --> 01:42:03,200 are very important because they're very powerful. 2116 01:42:03,200 --> 01:42:06,840 These are warships, and whoever gets them on their side, we'll 2117 01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:09,800 have a big edge because of that. It's a big boost to whoever will 2118 01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:11,120 get it. And we have no idea whose side 2119 01:42:11,120 --> 01:42:12,960 he'll take. But my guess is he'll do what a 2120 01:42:12,960 --> 01:42:18,160 lot of ambitious people of power do is he'll hold back and wait 2121 01:42:18,160 --> 01:42:20,480 to see who's winning, who's doing well, and then just show 2122 01:42:20,480 --> 01:42:23,280 up one day and be like, yo, 10 warships. 2123 01:42:23,680 --> 01:42:26,480 Give me something. I'm on your side, you know? 2124 01:42:26,640 --> 01:42:28,920 And he's a valarian. He's a valarian blood. 2125 01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:32,600 So Danny might be predisposed to like, and he's good looking, 2126 01:42:32,600 --> 01:42:36,320 which now Danny unfortunately, is a little bit susceptible to 2127 01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:37,000 that. Not a lot. 2128 01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:39,720 She's not, you know, like overwhelmed by all this Guy's 2129 01:42:39,720 --> 01:42:40,880 good looking. I'm going to do everything. 2130 01:42:41,480 --> 01:42:43,200 She's got a little of that, not a lot of that. 2131 01:42:43,200 --> 01:42:46,520 You see it with, with Dario, it worked on Cersei. 2132 01:42:46,520 --> 01:42:48,720 Or Cersei was like daydreaming about Orane and how he looked 2133 01:42:48,720 --> 01:42:51,360 like Rhaegar. So he's handsome and that 2134 01:42:51,360 --> 01:42:54,400 matters, I think because of these, these, the particular 2135 01:42:54,760 --> 01:42:56,120 circumstances that are coming up here. 2136 01:42:56,120 --> 01:43:00,040 But yeah, we'll see about him now. 2137 01:43:00,040 --> 01:43:02,640 One who's not so handsome is Shagga. 2138 01:43:03,240 --> 01:43:07,360 He falls in the general idea like we kind of know where he 2139 01:43:07,360 --> 01:43:10,720 is, but he's hidden. And but I mean by general ideas, 2140 01:43:10,720 --> 01:43:14,480 he's in the Kingswood. He was sent there by Tyrion to 2141 01:43:14,480 --> 01:43:17,800 give Stannis trouble, give Stanis his army trouble. 2142 01:43:17,800 --> 01:43:19,280 Before the Black Battle of Blackwater. 2143 01:43:19,640 --> 01:43:21,280 Battle of Blackwater was quite a while ago. 2144 01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:22,920 Y'all, as you know, end of Clash of Kings. 2145 01:43:23,080 --> 01:43:25,840 We have not seen or heard of Shagga since, but we do know 2146 01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:29,800 he's still there and probably just sitting on the shelf in 2147 01:43:29,800 --> 01:43:31,120 terms of narrative. He's sitting on the shelf 2148 01:43:31,120 --> 01:43:34,160 waiting for Tyrion to return to King's, to either King's Landing 2149 01:43:34,160 --> 01:43:36,480 or just to Westeros, at which point they will probably hook 2150 01:43:36,480 --> 01:43:38,560 back up. They got along well. 2151 01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:40,960 Their conversations were amusing too. 2152 01:43:40,960 --> 01:43:43,720 Shagga's funny, you know. So I think we'll see him again. 2153 01:43:43,720 --> 01:43:44,880 I think he'll hook up with Tyrion. 2154 01:43:44,880 --> 01:43:47,360 And we also talk about him in the Clans of the Veil episode 2155 01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:49,920 and a little more with a little more detail, a little more about 2156 01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:51,480 what he might be doing in the meantime. 2157 01:43:51,880 --> 01:43:54,560 But yeah, he he was worth a mention here for sure. 2158 01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:57,680 Next up, Lara Rogara. Here's one going into the past. 2159 01:43:57,720 --> 01:44:01,720 She was married to Viserus. As in The Viserus who became 2160 01:44:01,720 --> 01:44:04,920 Viserus the Second, The one who was handed a king for Aegon the 2161 01:44:04,920 --> 01:44:11,200 3rd and for Aegon who was the father of Aegon the 4th and was 2162 01:44:11,200 --> 01:44:12,840 handed the king also for Baylor of the Blessed. 2163 01:44:12,840 --> 01:44:17,600 So this guy is the the Tywin parallel one and Laura is part 2164 01:44:17,600 --> 01:44:21,200 of the parallel because remember for Tywin Joanna dies young and 2165 01:44:21,200 --> 01:44:23,560 it changes personality. He becomes severe and kind of 2166 01:44:23,560 --> 01:44:26,800 hardcore and all that and all the love dies in his life. 2167 01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:30,920 Similar here Laura doesn't die but leaves him. 2168 01:44:31,080 --> 01:44:32,760 She has kids with him and then leaves. 2169 01:44:32,760 --> 01:44:35,600 She doesn't like Westeros, she never learns to speak Common. 2170 01:44:36,240 --> 01:44:41,520 She's was a victim of a lot of prejudice and rumor mongering 2171 01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:45,520 about her kind of crazy rumors. Although given lysine religion, 2172 01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:47,160 we don't actually know. Maybe some of them are actually 2173 01:44:47,160 --> 01:44:51,360 true, but it's a fairly safe assumption, 'cause she was known 2174 01:44:51,360 --> 01:44:55,600 to be just incredibly beautiful that Viserys was into her. 2175 01:44:55,600 --> 01:44:59,240 You know, you get this young teenager who's like married to 2176 01:44:59,240 --> 01:45:02,080 the like one of the hottest women in the world with 2177 01:45:02,080 --> 01:45:05,280 impeccable bloodlines and all this other stuff Rich family 2178 01:45:05,280 --> 01:45:08,800 like he was probably very into her and and given his reaction 2179 01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:11,400 to her leaving too kind of proves that that he was turned 2180 01:45:11,400 --> 01:45:15,440 sour by her, her her departure. We cannot assume she was into 2181 01:45:15,440 --> 01:45:20,160 him like he was a teenager, a young teenager, a boy, you know, 2182 01:45:20,160 --> 01:45:23,840 where she's a woman forced to marry overseas to a language he 2183 01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:26,400 doesn't speak. She may have just been waiting 2184 01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:28,720 to leave all that time, but it's still tough. 2185 01:45:28,720 --> 01:45:30,120 I mean, she had to leave her children. 2186 01:45:30,440 --> 01:45:32,880 Doesn't necessarily kind of reflects poorly on her leaving 2187 01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:34,600 your children. But on the other hand, like it 2188 01:45:34,600 --> 01:45:37,160 was a bad life for her there, maybe her children. 2189 01:45:37,160 --> 01:45:38,760 She wasn't probably allowed to raise them that much. 2190 01:45:38,760 --> 01:45:41,040 They were kept separate from her a lot. 2191 01:45:41,160 --> 01:45:43,120 Reminds me a bit of another character we're going to talk 2192 01:45:43,120 --> 01:45:46,960 about here in a minute, but we do actually have a follow up on 2193 01:45:46,960 --> 01:45:49,560 her and this was new to me as of this episode. 2194 01:45:49,560 --> 01:45:52,720 I didn't know this, but according to Elio Garcia, there 2195 01:45:52,720 --> 01:45:55,200 was a few notes that didn't make the world book. 2196 01:45:55,640 --> 01:45:58,280 But one of them actually several notes that didn't make the World 2197 01:45:58,280 --> 01:46:00,040 book. One of them is that Lara Rogaria 2198 01:46:00,040 --> 01:46:03,120 returned to lease in 139, which is later than we thought. 2199 01:46:03,280 --> 01:46:08,480 I mean she returned you know, and died six years later at only 2200 01:46:08,480 --> 01:46:10,080 about 30 years old. So we don't know the 2201 01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:12,520 circumstances of her death, but the the Rogaria family had a 2202 01:46:12,520 --> 01:46:14,880 huge collapse and then a resurgence. 2203 01:46:15,320 --> 01:46:18,360 And 139 is, I think after the resurgence, not, you know, 2204 01:46:18,640 --> 01:46:21,360 before, well after the collapse. So or maybe it's the beginning 2205 01:46:21,360 --> 01:46:22,680 of the collab, beginning of the resurgence. 2206 01:46:22,760 --> 01:46:27,240 Either way, 30 is pretty darn young to die, so probably not 2207 01:46:27,240 --> 01:46:29,800 good circumstances. We can't assume it was murder, 2208 01:46:30,480 --> 01:46:34,640 but you know, more likely when you're 30 to it's not that 2209 01:46:34,640 --> 01:46:37,360 likely that you died of natural causes at such a young age. 2210 01:46:37,360 --> 01:46:41,200 But we don't know more detail. And if we do learn it, it will 2211 01:46:41,200 --> 01:46:44,240 probably be in Fire and Blood 2, because Fire and Blood 2 picks 2212 01:46:44,240 --> 01:46:47,240 up like, right at that time. Dorne is where we're going next. 2213 01:46:47,240 --> 01:46:50,400 And yeah, a character with a lot of in common with Laura, a woman 2214 01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:53,880 from Essos who had children with a Westerosi man only to later 2215 01:46:53,880 --> 01:46:57,080 return to their homeland. That's Malario Norvos. 2216 01:46:57,280 --> 01:47:01,000 Unlike Viserys and Lara, in this case, we're told there was a 2217 01:47:01,000 --> 01:47:03,880 major mutual attraction confirmed where I suspect that 2218 01:47:03,880 --> 01:47:06,880 Lara wasn't all that into Viserys, but in the long run, 2219 01:47:06,880 --> 01:47:08,080 they just didn't have enough in common. 2220 01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:10,360 That's what Doran basically says, is like, yeah, we, we fell 2221 01:47:10,360 --> 01:47:12,120 in love. George R Martin says the same 2222 01:47:12,120 --> 01:47:13,400 thing. Like, there was a lot of lost, a 2223 01:47:13,400 --> 01:47:17,840 lot of mutual traction. But but when that wore off and 2224 01:47:17,840 --> 01:47:19,240 maybe they didn't have as much in common. 2225 01:47:19,440 --> 01:47:23,800 And she did not like being married to the Prince of Doran. 2226 01:47:23,800 --> 01:47:25,120 She didn't like being the Princess of Doran. 2227 01:47:25,120 --> 01:47:26,960 She didn't like that. She didn't like having her 2228 01:47:26,960 --> 01:47:30,480 children used as alliances and sent away to be married. 2229 01:47:30,480 --> 01:47:33,040 And she wanted to have her children around her. 2230 01:47:33,040 --> 01:47:35,240 She wanted to, you know, be their mother and live with them. 2231 01:47:35,240 --> 01:47:38,520 And this this whole business of politics and these arrangements. 2232 01:47:38,520 --> 01:47:40,880 She really didn't like it. I suppose she just didn't like 2233 01:47:40,880 --> 01:47:44,840 Doran that much either. Arya Hota says it took a lot of 2234 01:47:44,840 --> 01:47:48,120 getting used to, and maybe Malario never adjusted as much 2235 01:47:48,120 --> 01:47:50,760 as he did. So with all her isolation, the 2236 01:47:50,960 --> 01:47:53,640 the failed romance, pain of separation from her children, 2237 01:47:53,640 --> 01:47:56,520 and homesickness, she just left. And maybe we don't need to 2238 01:47:56,520 --> 01:47:59,440 wonder about her fate. She's just in Norvas living her 2239 01:47:59,440 --> 01:48:01,560 life and maybe there's, you know, she's got some sadness, 2240 01:48:01,560 --> 01:48:04,880 but maybe she's found love again and you know, she wouldn't be 2241 01:48:04,880 --> 01:48:06,480 having kids again. I don't think she's too old for 2242 01:48:06,480 --> 01:48:08,960 that, probably. But you know, maybe she's having 2243 01:48:08,960 --> 01:48:11,880 a decent life in retirement and maybe there's a chance we'll 2244 01:48:12,840 --> 01:48:14,600 we'll hear from her. I kind of doubt it. 2245 01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:16,960 She's probably up up there among the characters we're least 2246 01:48:16,960 --> 01:48:19,920 likely hear from again. But never be too sure. 2247 01:48:20,080 --> 01:48:25,080 Sticking in Dorne and sticking to the past Tanzel Tutal Dunk 2248 01:48:25,080 --> 01:48:27,040 certainly wants to know where she is, right? 2249 01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:29,520 He certainly went looking for her and didn't find her. 2250 01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:32,480 This one is interesting because it's entirely possible Dunk will 2251 01:48:32,480 --> 01:48:35,880 meet her again. And hey, we had we wanted to 2252 01:48:35,880 --> 01:48:37,040 know about that too, didn't we, Shaya? 2253 01:48:37,120 --> 01:48:39,600 Yes. I asked George this question 2254 01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:42,280 directly at a convention years ago. 2255 01:48:42,840 --> 01:48:46,720 I said, to quote, I just wanted to ask, I know you have quite a 2256 01:48:46,720 --> 01:48:50,920 lot of Dunkin Egg books planned. Are we ever going to see Tansel 2257 01:48:50,920 --> 01:48:53,520 too tall again? Are we going to find out what 2258 01:48:53,520 --> 01:48:56,120 happened to her? And then he had a big smile and 2259 01:48:56,120 --> 01:48:59,240 he said, well, that would be telling laughs, But I think 2260 01:48:59,240 --> 01:49:02,440 there's a good chance, yes. And to be clear, I asked this 2261 01:49:02,440 --> 01:49:06,800 question not because I expected to get a significant answer or 2262 01:49:07,280 --> 01:49:09,200 anything like that. Sometimes I just like to ask a 2263 01:49:09,200 --> 01:49:11,960 question to just be like, hey George, we we we like Tanzel. 2264 01:49:11,960 --> 01:49:14,200 We're thinking about her. She's on our radar. 2265 01:49:14,200 --> 01:49:18,440 Like I just like to kind of show him that we care about other 2266 01:49:18,440 --> 01:49:23,280 things sometimes I I suppose. But I was very pleased that he 2267 01:49:23,600 --> 01:49:28,360 he gave kind of an affirmative. And we'll also see Tanzel on the 2268 01:49:28,360 --> 01:49:32,400 television, because Dunkin Egg is going to television and 2269 01:49:33,080 --> 01:49:36,920 there's no way TV audiences will tolerate no follow up. 2270 01:49:37,400 --> 01:49:39,640 They want. Tanzel and Dunk they're going to 2271 01:49:39,640 --> 01:49:43,400 be give us that re meeting. They want people TV audiences 2272 01:49:43,400 --> 01:49:47,600 will clamor for a reunion which apparently George has already 2273 01:49:47,800 --> 01:49:49,440 planned to some degree. I don't know. 2274 01:49:49,480 --> 01:49:51,720 I mean think about it this way. Dunks going to become famous. 2275 01:49:51,720 --> 01:49:53,400 He's going to become Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, or 2276 01:49:53,400 --> 01:49:54,720 at least at first just the Kingsguard. 2277 01:49:54,920 --> 01:49:56,560 He's going to be next to the king. 2278 01:49:56,800 --> 01:50:00,280 Tanzel will know where he is if she doesn't know, if he doesn't 2279 01:50:00,280 --> 01:50:02,840 know where he is, she is, she will be able to find him, you 2280 01:50:02,840 --> 01:50:04,560 know, because he's going to be famous. 2281 01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:07,840 So that might be how it happens. Is that she's the one who finds 2282 01:50:07,840 --> 01:50:09,640 him. He'll be easier to find. 2283 01:50:09,720 --> 01:50:12,240 He's also easier to spot in the crowd, although she's tall, so 2284 01:50:12,240 --> 01:50:13,520 you know she's not so hard to spot either. 2285 01:50:14,400 --> 01:50:16,160 To him though, she's just the right height. 2286 01:50:16,440 --> 01:50:18,160 Willa. Oh boy. 2287 01:50:18,160 --> 01:50:21,520 Big missing person here. Part of the early mystery as to 2288 01:50:21,520 --> 01:50:23,800 John's parentage is is Cat thinks of Shara. 2289 01:50:23,800 --> 01:50:26,880 Dane is John's mother. Ned himself says it's Willa to 2290 01:50:26,880 --> 01:50:28,200 Robert. When Robert's like, what was the 2291 01:50:28,200 --> 01:50:29,760 name of your bastard's mother again? 2292 01:50:29,760 --> 01:50:32,080 He says Willa, or in the show he says whyla. 2293 01:50:32,080 --> 01:50:33,680 I don't know. Whichever pronunciation doesn't 2294 01:50:33,680 --> 01:50:36,320 matter. As we said earlier, Willa was 2295 01:50:36,520 --> 01:50:41,160 Edrick Dane's wet nurse as well. Edrick says I was Jon Snow's 2296 01:50:41,200 --> 01:50:44,120 milk brother. Ari is confused and insulted by 2297 01:50:44,120 --> 01:50:47,520 that information, 'cause she's like, no way, my father never 2298 01:50:47,520 --> 01:50:49,880 loved anyone but my mother. This is, you know, a little 2299 01:50:49,880 --> 01:50:52,720 girl's reaction to finding out that no, actually you, your 2300 01:50:52,720 --> 01:50:54,960 parents can can like other people you know, doesn't quite 2301 01:50:54,960 --> 01:50:57,840 work that simply, you know. Ned knew people before Catelyn 2302 01:50:57,840 --> 01:50:59,920 too. This is before he barely even 2303 01:50:59,920 --> 01:51:02,320 knew her, right? So it's pretty likely Will is 2304 01:51:02,320 --> 01:51:06,320 alive because, you know, as a wet nurse less than a decade 2305 01:51:06,320 --> 01:51:08,320 ago, that's not an old person's job, right? 2306 01:51:08,320 --> 01:51:10,040 You can't. You know you're not like a 60 2307 01:51:10,040 --> 01:51:12,360 year old wet nurse, right? That doesn't really work that 2308 01:51:12,360 --> 01:51:14,800 way. So she's probably only in like 2309 01:51:14,800 --> 01:51:16,880 her 40s or something. She's probably not that old at 2310 01:51:17,000 --> 01:51:18,360 all. Maybe, maybe a little older than 2311 01:51:18,360 --> 01:51:21,720 that, but she's definitely not at an age where you would expect 2312 01:51:21,880 --> 01:51:24,800 she's has passed from from natural causes. 2313 01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:27,560 It's possible she's dead. Of course it's possible she's 2314 01:51:27,560 --> 01:51:30,960 dead, but there's no reason to assume that unlike many of the 2315 01:51:30,960 --> 01:51:36,440 other potential Tower of Joy witnesses, she's most likely 2316 01:51:36,440 --> 01:51:39,720 there beforehand. In other words, she may have 2317 01:51:39,720 --> 01:51:44,560 already been there when Leanna was brought there too, or 2318 01:51:44,560 --> 01:51:47,200 brought with Leanna, like she may have been summoned because 2319 01:51:47,200 --> 01:51:50,280 Leanna was pregnant. So when they moved into the 2320 01:51:50,280 --> 01:51:52,480 Tower of Joy and decided to stay there for a while, like to 2321 01:51:52,800 --> 01:51:55,360 facilitate the rest of her pregnancy, Willa was right 2322 01:51:55,360 --> 01:51:58,080 there, that whole time. Most of what we see about the 2323 01:51:58,080 --> 01:52:01,320 Tower of Joy is, you know, through Ned's perspective, maybe 2324 01:52:01,320 --> 01:52:03,440 a little bit through some other places. 2325 01:52:03,440 --> 01:52:06,920 But it's not generally through the perspective of people who 2326 01:52:06,920 --> 01:52:09,520 were there before Ned. People who were there in that 2327 01:52:09,520 --> 01:52:13,600 location before Ned and and his party even knew where it was 2328 01:52:13,600 --> 01:52:16,880 before the Tower of Joy was even, you know, discovered by 2329 01:52:16,880 --> 01:52:21,280 them or revealed to them. So she potentially knows a lot, 2330 01:52:22,360 --> 01:52:26,080 maybe even some things that Benjen might know, as in things 2331 01:52:26,080 --> 01:52:29,200 that they would discuss in private or that she would have 2332 01:52:29,200 --> 01:52:32,360 overheard by being in the room when Leon and Rhaegar were 2333 01:52:32,360 --> 01:52:35,160 talking about things. Like she was probably there when 2334 01:52:35,160 --> 01:52:37,680 Rhaegar was still there before he left to go back north and 2335 01:52:37,680 --> 01:52:41,480 fight the war. Whereas obviously Ned and the 2336 01:52:41,480 --> 01:52:42,960 others weren't. Didn't get to see that. 2337 01:52:43,240 --> 01:52:47,160 She might have been witness to, you know, lots of conversations 2338 01:52:47,160 --> 01:52:49,760 that between the Kingsguard and Rhaegar about a whole number of 2339 01:52:49,760 --> 01:52:52,480 things about what he expected their duty to be and what they 2340 01:52:52,480 --> 01:52:54,520 should do in case of this or that. 2341 01:52:55,560 --> 01:52:59,800 So maybe the only person that knows or has access to this 2342 01:52:59,800 --> 01:53:04,920 level of knowledge is maybe other servants that were at in 2343 01:53:04,920 --> 01:53:06,680 her, you know, in a similar role to her. 2344 01:53:07,800 --> 01:53:11,440 But maybe not even that, because if Willa was specifically John's 2345 01:53:11,440 --> 01:53:15,120 wet nurse, then I don't suppose John had multiple wet nurses. 2346 01:53:15,320 --> 01:53:17,440 So really she might have more information than just about 2347 01:53:17,440 --> 01:53:19,600 anybody on the Tower of Joy. The only other person I think 2348 01:53:19,600 --> 01:53:23,120 that might have more access is Bran, by just looking into the 2349 01:53:23,120 --> 01:53:26,760 past and seeing things that regular people can't see outside 2350 01:53:26,760 --> 01:53:31,320 of magic. She knows the most, except maybe 2351 01:53:31,320 --> 01:53:33,600 Benjin, but I think she's probably knows more than Benjin. 2352 01:53:33,600 --> 01:53:34,640 And Benjin might not know anything. 2353 01:53:35,000 --> 01:53:37,000 It's we just guessed that Benjamin might know some things 2354 01:53:37,000 --> 01:53:40,600 or figured some things out. But really, I don't think I have 2355 01:53:40,600 --> 01:53:42,960 a better candidate than Willa for knowledge about the Tower of 2356 01:53:42,960 --> 01:53:46,320 Joy amongst the living, right. Ned obviously knew some things 2357 01:53:46,320 --> 01:53:48,840 but he's dead, you know? And maybe Howland Reid like 2358 01:53:48,840 --> 01:53:49,960 Helen Reid of course is up there too. 2359 01:53:49,960 --> 01:53:51,960 Because Helen Reid would know things that maybe Willa doesn't 2360 01:53:51,960 --> 01:53:56,120 know given Ned and his proximity to her and to to Leanna. 2361 01:53:56,120 --> 01:53:59,040 Cause Helen Reid knew Leanna too and their connection also 2362 01:53:59,360 --> 01:54:02,600 perhaps indicate some some secrets that they pass between 2363 01:54:02,600 --> 01:54:06,040 them. But as far as people who weren't 2364 01:54:06,160 --> 01:54:09,120 personally connected, as far as friendships with them, Willa is 2365 01:54:09,120 --> 01:54:11,680 number one there. And yeah, witness. 2366 01:54:11,720 --> 01:54:15,320 That's a a repeating trait for a lot of missing characters we've 2367 01:54:15,320 --> 01:54:17,320 discussed today. The reason they're missing 2368 01:54:17,320 --> 01:54:20,360 narratively, is 'cause they know things that the story isn't 2369 01:54:20,360 --> 01:54:22,680 ready to reveal a lot of times. And it's not just, like 2370 01:54:22,680 --> 01:54:24,640 information they have. It's specifically that they were 2371 01:54:24,640 --> 01:54:30,680 a witness to something Old Town, not too far from from Dorn Chaka 2372 01:54:30,680 --> 01:54:32,880 Nagar. We don't have a lot to say about 2373 01:54:32,880 --> 01:54:35,440 him, but he does kind of belong in this in this thing he's he's 2374 01:54:35,440 --> 01:54:38,120 been missing. We we pretty sure he's at Old 2375 01:54:38,120 --> 01:54:40,440 Town after a possible stop off at Pike. 2376 01:54:40,840 --> 01:54:43,040 Of course his description, the description of the face he 2377 01:54:43,040 --> 01:54:47,040 changes into, looks exactly like The Alchemist that Pate sees. 2378 01:54:47,040 --> 01:54:48,280 So that's why we think he's at Old Town. 2379 01:54:48,280 --> 01:54:50,160 But of course, we're very curious what's going to happen 2380 01:54:50,160 --> 01:54:54,200 next there and if anybody else is going to go missing because 2381 01:54:54,200 --> 01:54:59,640 of him and what books might go missing when he leaves. 2382 01:54:59,640 --> 01:55:02,680 So yeah, Jack and Nagar. And what what what is going to 2383 01:55:02,680 --> 01:55:04,320 happen next? Like what happens when, you 2384 01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:07,200 know, Euron shows up? Is that going to mess with 2385 01:55:07,200 --> 01:55:09,400 Jotkin's ability to do things? Probably not. 2386 01:55:09,400 --> 01:55:11,720 He's so skilled. He can take on the face of an 2387 01:55:11,720 --> 01:55:13,960 ironborn, maybe or who knows, right. 2388 01:55:14,120 --> 01:55:16,280 But it wouldn't do to have only one hidden character at the 2389 01:55:16,280 --> 01:55:17,360 Citadel. We've got Sorella. 2390 01:55:17,880 --> 01:55:20,880 Most of you listening have heard the Aloris equals Sorella 2391 01:55:20,880 --> 01:55:24,160 theory, which is arguably not even a theory given how blatant 2392 01:55:24,160 --> 01:55:26,560 it is. The name Sorella backwards is 2393 01:55:26,560 --> 01:55:28,080 Aloris. I mean, you can't really get 2394 01:55:28,080 --> 01:55:30,320 more blatant than that. Plus, the appearance matches the 2395 01:55:30,320 --> 01:55:32,440 description of them. You know, they look the same. 2396 01:55:32,960 --> 01:55:35,720 So at least she wants to get an education and women aren't 2397 01:55:35,720 --> 01:55:37,760 allowed to sit at all. That might be all there is to 2398 01:55:37,760 --> 01:55:39,240 it. She's in disguise as a boy so 2399 01:55:39,240 --> 01:55:41,280 that she can have access to levels of education that aren't 2400 01:55:41,280 --> 01:55:42,880 given to men. Might just be that. 2401 01:55:43,560 --> 01:55:45,560 But it's not clear her family knows that. 2402 01:55:45,560 --> 01:55:50,720 I mean, Doran Martel says she's playing her own game, but. 2403 01:55:50,720 --> 01:55:52,760 But that's such a vague thing. Like, what does that mean? 2404 01:55:52,760 --> 01:55:56,240 Like playing her own game in disguise, Learning things at the 2405 01:55:56,240 --> 01:55:57,320 Citadel. Is that what she is? 2406 01:55:57,320 --> 01:55:58,800 That what he means by playing her own game? 2407 01:55:58,800 --> 01:56:00,240 Maybe. But. 2408 01:56:02,120 --> 01:56:04,120 But maybe there's a bigger purpose for this education. 2409 01:56:04,120 --> 01:56:06,480 What is Sorella studying? Is it just she's following in 2410 01:56:06,480 --> 01:56:08,960 her father's footsteps? Or maybe she has goals that 2411 01:56:08,960 --> 01:56:11,320 involve learning specific things. 2412 01:56:11,640 --> 01:56:15,560 She needs to be educated on certain subjects in order to 2413 01:56:15,560 --> 01:56:18,320 facilitate these goals. Whatever they are, I don't know, 2414 01:56:18,760 --> 01:56:21,800 but just like Jacques Nagar, Maybe not. 2415 01:56:21,800 --> 01:56:25,160 Just like Jacques Nagar. She's in a location that's very 2416 01:56:26,200 --> 01:56:28,280 sketchy. It seems very safe, but it's 2417 01:56:28,280 --> 01:56:30,040 not. It's it's in great danger. 2418 01:56:30,200 --> 01:56:34,520 The Citadel. Old ton of general, and that's 2419 01:56:34,520 --> 01:56:36,400 going to matter. Whatever plot lines, whatever's 2420 01:56:36,400 --> 01:56:38,360 in the future for her, whatever she's studying, whatever reasons 2421 01:56:38,360 --> 01:56:40,240 it is, it could get very much interrupted. 2422 01:56:40,240 --> 01:56:42,280 You're honest. Interruptus could be happening 2423 01:56:42,280 --> 01:56:45,960 here. 1 character who maybe got away before any of this is 2424 01:56:45,960 --> 01:56:50,720 Marwin Old Town is actually the one place we can be pretty sure 2425 01:56:50,720 --> 01:56:52,960 he's not, even though it's the only place we've seen him 2426 01:56:52,960 --> 01:56:55,840 because he took ship and left. He took got on the Cinnamon 2427 01:56:55,840 --> 01:56:57,320 Wind. At least that city said he was 2428 01:56:57,320 --> 01:57:00,040 going to do, and he might just show up at Danny's court and 2429 01:57:00,040 --> 01:57:01,680 that'll solve that. Like, well, there he is, you 2430 01:57:01,680 --> 01:57:05,000 know, but it's a little odd because he's not in the vision, 2431 01:57:05,200 --> 01:57:08,600 the vision that that is told to Danny about or that she has of 2432 01:57:08,600 --> 01:57:11,760 all the, you know, dark flame and and cracking and all these 2433 01:57:11,760 --> 01:57:14,400 different people coming to her Gray lips, smiling sadly, all 2434 01:57:14,400 --> 01:57:17,520 that business, right? He's not in this vision. 2435 01:57:17,680 --> 01:57:19,800 So does that mean he's not going to show up? 2436 01:57:19,800 --> 01:57:21,560 Does that mean something's going to happen on the way? 2437 01:57:21,560 --> 01:57:24,440 Or does that mean maybe just he just wasn't in the vision 2438 01:57:24,440 --> 01:57:25,440 because there wasn't room for him? 2439 01:57:25,440 --> 01:57:28,040 There's so many people in that vision that didn't have room for 2440 01:57:28,040 --> 01:57:30,240 him. But it's been a while too. 2441 01:57:30,240 --> 01:57:31,320 He left. I mean, he left at the end of 2442 01:57:31,320 --> 01:57:35,440 the piece for Crows and you know Tyrion sailed all the way across 2443 01:57:35,440 --> 01:57:37,480 the ocean and. And the Dance with Dragons, 2444 01:57:37,520 --> 01:57:38,600 right. Some of that may have been, you 2445 01:57:38,600 --> 01:57:41,360 know, concurrent, but still the Victorian sailed all the way 2446 01:57:41,360 --> 01:57:43,720 across too, right? Like in that same time. 2447 01:57:43,720 --> 01:57:46,200 So we've, we've had multiple characters sail all the way from 2448 01:57:46,320 --> 01:57:50,400 Westeros to Slavers Bay and it's not like Tyrion went straight 2449 01:57:50,440 --> 01:57:52,520 there. He had all that time in Pentas 2450 01:57:52,520 --> 01:57:56,120 and spent time elsewhere, you know, throwing overboard. 2451 01:57:56,240 --> 01:57:59,960 Or rather, his companions were thrown over, people he knew were 2452 01:57:59,960 --> 01:58:01,040 thrown overboard, all this stuff. 2453 01:58:01,040 --> 01:58:03,600 So yeah, what happened tomorrow? Is he missing? 2454 01:58:03,600 --> 01:58:07,600 Is he going to turn up later? I mean, it'd be pretty weird if 2455 01:58:07,600 --> 01:58:09,880 we never saw or heard from him again, but I definitely wonder 2456 01:58:09,880 --> 01:58:11,160 what happened. Still thinking. 2457 01:58:11,160 --> 01:58:12,880 In Old Town, we have Leighton Hightower. 2458 01:58:13,560 --> 01:58:15,720 We're told he hasn't come down in over 10 years. 2459 01:58:15,800 --> 01:58:17,600 So he's not really missing because apparently he's been 2460 01:58:17,600 --> 01:58:17,960 there. But. 2461 01:58:17,960 --> 01:58:20,560 But it's weird that he's been up there for 10 years without any 2462 01:58:20,560 --> 01:58:22,280 word. Yeah, so he's kind of, like 2463 01:58:22,280 --> 01:58:24,240 missing from the story and that, like, when's he going to take a, 2464 01:58:24,240 --> 01:58:26,080 when's he going to do something? When's he going to have a role? 2465 01:58:26,400 --> 01:58:28,520 And what, what is that role going to be and what are we 2466 01:58:28,520 --> 01:58:30,040 waiting for? His name's been mentioned a few 2467 01:58:30,040 --> 01:58:33,240 times, as well as that of his daughter Matt Melora, who like, 2468 01:58:33,360 --> 01:58:35,560 supposedly they're doing spells up there. 2469 01:58:35,560 --> 01:58:38,360 And it's kind of strange. The rumors are probably a little 2470 01:58:38,360 --> 01:58:41,840 exaggerated, but the question remains, what are they doing? 2471 01:58:41,920 --> 01:58:44,120 What's he doing up there? You know what's he working on? 2472 01:58:44,480 --> 01:58:47,640 And he has his other children doing things. 2473 01:58:47,640 --> 01:58:51,760 One of them is Baylor Bright Smile, AKA Baylor Break Wind. 2474 01:58:51,960 --> 01:58:57,120 He is the heir to the Hightower and he's just working on the the 2475 01:58:57,120 --> 01:59:01,720 port, like working on working on adding defenses to the port of 2476 01:59:01,720 --> 01:59:03,200 Old Town. But his younger brother, 2477 01:59:03,200 --> 01:59:06,680 Humphrey Hightower went to lease to hire cell sales. 2478 01:59:06,920 --> 01:59:09,680 Now I wonder about Humphrey because one of the reasons he's 2479 01:59:09,680 --> 01:59:11,440 going there is to talk to Laness. 2480 01:59:11,440 --> 01:59:15,520 Who is her, You know, her husband of Paramore. 2481 01:59:15,520 --> 01:59:17,160 I forget what their actual title is. 2482 01:59:18,120 --> 01:59:20,000 She has a lot of sway over him and he's rich. 2483 01:59:20,000 --> 01:59:23,840 So maybe they can work something out there and that could get 2484 01:59:23,840 --> 01:59:25,960 interesting because there's another person over there. 2485 01:59:26,720 --> 01:59:28,560 Edrick Storm. Edrick Storm is in lease. 2486 01:59:29,160 --> 01:59:31,240 Arguably, he's not missing. He may be just one that Y'all 2487 01:59:31,240 --> 01:59:33,360 forgot about, because we've known he's been in lease for a 2488 01:59:33,360 --> 01:59:34,400 while. We've known that. 2489 01:59:34,560 --> 01:59:37,600 But will he return to claim Storm's End, or will he return 2490 01:59:37,600 --> 01:59:39,840 to help fight the others? Because his father was a 2491 01:59:39,840 --> 01:59:42,320 warrior. His he he, he takes after Robert 2492 01:59:42,320 --> 01:59:43,800 a lot. And if the kingdom's under 2493 01:59:43,800 --> 01:59:46,320 threat, what would a son of Robert do? 2494 01:59:46,320 --> 01:59:48,400 He's like, I want to join the fight, you know? 2495 01:59:48,720 --> 01:59:52,280 So it's interesting to think like maybe he comes back with 2496 01:59:52,280 --> 01:59:54,800 the Hightowers. You know, the Hightower is 2497 01:59:54,800 --> 01:59:58,560 declared for Renly, so it's not like they have some connection 2498 01:59:58,560 --> 01:59:59,840 to Edrick Storm. They're not like, they're not 2499 01:59:59,840 --> 02:00:02,240 like Baratheon people. But I mean, it's been a couple 2500 02:00:02,240 --> 02:00:03,520 of years. Edrick's probably gotten even 2501 02:00:03,520 --> 02:00:05,720 bigger, and he looks a lot like Robert. 2502 02:00:06,160 --> 02:00:07,560 In fact, he looks even more like Renly. 2503 02:00:08,320 --> 02:00:10,680 So that's what Davos thinks. When he sees him. 2504 02:00:10,680 --> 02:00:11,640 He's like, Oh my God, look at that. 2505 02:00:11,760 --> 02:00:13,400 He looks so much like a Baratheon. 2506 02:00:13,520 --> 02:00:17,160 So Nina thinks that at the end of the series, Edrick Storm will 2507 02:00:17,160 --> 02:00:21,880 become a Lord of Storm's End, not Gendry. 2508 02:00:22,360 --> 02:00:24,680 So, you know, it's going to be one of the two probably. 2509 02:00:24,680 --> 02:00:26,360 I mean, it could be like Mia Stone or something else. 2510 02:00:26,360 --> 02:00:28,400 There's other possibilities. But Mia Stone is she's a veil 2511 02:00:28,400 --> 02:00:30,000 person. You know, I don't she's who's 2512 02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:31,920 less likely. But you know, it's possible and 2513 02:00:31,920 --> 02:00:33,920 it could be a king, not a Lord. You know, it could be the first 2514 02:00:33,920 --> 02:00:36,760 Baratheon king in in a long time depending on how the what 2515 02:00:36,760 --> 02:00:39,760 happens with the Iron Throne. And yeah, and maybe Davos will 2516 02:00:39,760 --> 02:00:41,720 be around because, you know, Davos and Edric had a good 2517 02:00:41,720 --> 02:00:46,240 relationship and Davos survives. That could be where he ends up 2518 02:00:46,240 --> 02:00:49,280 in Edric's court as an advisor, you know. 2519 02:00:49,280 --> 02:00:50,360 That could be where he finishes things out. 2520 02:00:50,360 --> 02:00:52,840 That'd be a good happy ending for for Davos probably. 2521 02:00:54,240 --> 02:00:58,000 Surely would for Edrick. You know, if he's the Lord or 2522 02:00:58,000 --> 02:01:01,360 king of of the stormlands at the end it'd be good surviving all 2523 02:01:01,360 --> 02:01:04,280 that business. Garmin Hightower and Rayna 2524 02:01:04,280 --> 02:01:06,440 Targaryen's kids. This is Garmin himself. 2525 02:01:06,440 --> 02:01:08,920 We're not wondering about him and and not so much about Rayna. 2526 02:01:08,920 --> 02:01:11,400 Now this is Rayna is in Bayla's twin during the Dance of the 2527 02:01:11,400 --> 02:01:13,800 Dragons. After the dance ends, she 2528 02:01:13,800 --> 02:01:16,720 marries this Garmin Hightower, which is a sort of a peace 2529 02:01:16,720 --> 02:01:19,600 thing, right? To heal the wounds of blacks 2530 02:01:19,600 --> 02:01:24,480 versus greens. They have six children 6 he's in 2531 02:01:24,480 --> 02:01:25,800 chance. We hear some of them in fire and 2532 02:01:25,800 --> 02:01:28,320 blood too, but as of now we don't know anything would happen 2533 02:01:28,320 --> 02:01:30,840 to these these Hightower Targaryen children. 2534 02:01:30,840 --> 02:01:34,880 But it maybe helps explain why some of the high towers might 2535 02:01:34,880 --> 02:01:37,760 look a little Targaryen at least have the silver hair or that 2536 02:01:37,760 --> 02:01:40,120 coloring hair so that that could help explain some of that. 2537 02:01:40,120 --> 02:01:43,120 It's not super long time ago though, not recent. 2538 02:01:43,120 --> 02:01:46,680 We're talking 170 years in the past that those kids were born 2539 02:01:46,680 --> 02:01:49,840 roughly. So yeah, interesting sticking 2540 02:01:49,840 --> 02:01:52,960 with Targaryens and Dragons. We've already mentioned nettles 2541 02:01:52,960 --> 02:01:55,240 and sheep stealer, but there were three other Dragons alive 2542 02:01:55,240 --> 02:01:56,920 at the end of the dance besides sheep stealer. 2543 02:01:57,080 --> 02:02:01,920 In addition to the lack of info on Reyna and her children there, 2544 02:02:01,920 --> 02:02:04,480 we don't know what became of her dragon mourning, right? 2545 02:02:04,480 --> 02:02:06,560 She had a dragon. She actually had a pink and 2546 02:02:06,560 --> 02:02:08,960 black dragon that survived the dance. 2547 02:02:08,960 --> 02:02:10,840 It was too small to really be used in war. 2548 02:02:11,480 --> 02:02:14,440 And so alongside her missing children, we don't know what 2549 02:02:14,440 --> 02:02:16,640 happened to her dragon, you know, but it definitely died 2550 02:02:16,640 --> 02:02:20,240 before 153 because 153 is when the last dragon died. 2551 02:02:21,000 --> 02:02:23,400 Of course we also don't know the name of that last dragon, so 2552 02:02:23,400 --> 02:02:26,600 it's a missing name. My head cannon is that mourning 2553 02:02:26,600 --> 02:02:30,000 was the 2nd last dragon to die, but we don't know why. 2554 02:02:30,000 --> 02:02:32,440 Could because magic was waning. And you know, a lot of these 2555 02:02:32,440 --> 02:02:35,120 Dragons were less healthy. Could be the Mace or conspiracy. 2556 02:02:35,320 --> 02:02:36,600 They were poisoned something like that. 2557 02:02:36,600 --> 02:02:40,040 But the problem with the maitre conspiracy, killing off some of 2558 02:02:40,040 --> 02:02:42,240 the Dragons like it. It could work for morning and 2559 02:02:42,240 --> 02:02:44,920 and the last dragon because they were small and the maitres had 2560 02:02:44,920 --> 02:02:47,080 access to them. It doesn't really work as a 2561 02:02:47,080 --> 02:02:50,280 solution for what? Why the cannibal and Silverwing 2562 02:02:50,280 --> 02:02:52,720 vanished. Cannibal No idea when cannibal 2563 02:02:52,720 --> 02:02:56,200 passed but also prior to 153 because of you know well he 2564 02:02:56,200 --> 02:02:59,480 wasn't the last dragon. Maybe also cannibal died too. 2565 02:02:59,480 --> 02:03:03,640 Magical waning or maybe Cannibal was actually as old as some of 2566 02:03:03,640 --> 02:03:06,520 the Wilder rumors suggest and he just died of old age. 2567 02:03:06,680 --> 02:03:11,520 Open mystery for sure. Silver Wing Sha's pulling up the 2568 02:03:11,520 --> 02:03:16,400 map here and this map has a special familiarity for us. 2569 02:03:16,400 --> 02:03:19,320 Red Lake, Why is what is it about Rd. 2570 02:03:19,320 --> 02:03:21,800 Red Lake that that has such a connection to you Sha? 2571 02:03:22,600 --> 02:03:27,880 Oh, well, on Michael Klarfeld's Reach map specifically, I am 2572 02:03:27,880 --> 02:03:32,160 Rose of Red Lake, one of Garth Green Hand's children, one of 2573 02:03:32,160 --> 02:03:34,880 his many children, along with other people in the fandom. 2574 02:03:35,200 --> 02:03:37,640 But yeah, I'm Rose of Red Lake. So he was like, can you pull up 2575 02:03:37,640 --> 02:03:41,000 a map shot of Red Lake? And I was like, actually, yes. 2576 02:03:41,520 --> 02:03:43,120 I wouldn't have been able to otherwise. 2577 02:03:43,120 --> 02:03:45,040 If you weren't Rose of Red Lake, it wouldn't have been possible. 2578 02:03:46,240 --> 02:03:48,600 Yeah, it's perfect match. Rose of Red Lake, I'm going to 2579 02:03:48,600 --> 02:03:50,520 say, has red hair. And yeah, it's a great, great 2580 02:03:50,520 --> 02:03:52,840 fit for that. Turn into a bird. 2581 02:03:54,680 --> 02:03:57,840 Yeah. So yeah, Roosevelt Red Lake was 2582 02:03:58,200 --> 02:04:02,800 supposedly able to turn into a bird, which usually that rumor 2583 02:04:02,800 --> 02:04:06,200 is means they were a skin changer, right? 2584 02:04:06,600 --> 02:04:09,400 Having control over an animal's often kind of how that is 2585 02:04:09,400 --> 02:04:11,800 expressed. So Silverwing chose a great 2586 02:04:11,800 --> 02:04:15,520 location around some skin changer houses perhaps, I don't 2587 02:04:15,520 --> 02:04:17,400 know. Red Lake is maybe like a 2588 02:04:17,400 --> 02:04:20,320 microcosm of the God's eye because there was a lot of 2589 02:04:20,320 --> 02:04:25,160 stories about magic of the old gods and and skin changing that 2590 02:04:25,160 --> 02:04:28,120 are associated with Red Lake. And there's an island in the 2591 02:04:28,120 --> 02:04:31,400 center of it, which is where Silver Wing made her home and 2592 02:04:31,400 --> 02:04:34,200 apparently passed over. You know, eventually just ate 2593 02:04:34,200 --> 02:04:37,240 fish and animals and just got left alone and eventually died. 2594 02:04:37,240 --> 02:04:43,240 But apparently before 153, which yeah, don't know why she died. 2595 02:04:43,240 --> 02:04:45,120 That wouldn't have been a super long lifespan. 2596 02:04:45,520 --> 02:04:48,600 Silver Wing was born in the what, in the 20s or 30s, I 2597 02:04:48,600 --> 02:04:51,560 forget. So maybe 130 year lifespan or 2598 02:04:51,560 --> 02:04:54,280 something like that. Next up we have Ray and Dayela, 2599 02:04:54,280 --> 02:04:58,040 or sorry, Daya, Daya as we say, according thanks to the 2600 02:04:58,120 --> 02:05:02,360 pronunciation guide provided to us by Chloe of Girls Gone 2601 02:05:02,360 --> 02:05:02,760 Cannon. Yeah. 2602 02:05:03,240 --> 02:05:04,880 That That's Daya. Like paella. 2603 02:05:05,320 --> 02:05:06,880 That's right, a delicious Targaryen. 2604 02:05:06,880 --> 02:05:10,680 That's right. So of course these are the also 2605 02:05:10,680 --> 02:05:14,520 the sisters of Amon, Maester, Amon and Daron, the drunkard and 2606 02:05:14,520 --> 02:05:16,360 Aryan bride Flame. Because of course, those that's 2607 02:05:16,360 --> 02:05:18,480 egg, Those are Egg's brothers. So there were, there were six 2608 02:05:19,040 --> 02:05:23,720 siblings there. Daya was the 4th, Ray was the 2609 02:05:23,720 --> 02:05:26,000 6th. So you got three boys, then 2610 02:05:26,080 --> 02:05:29,880 Daella, and then, then then Egg, then Ray. 2611 02:05:30,160 --> 02:05:34,000 They both married and had no children or had children, 2612 02:05:34,000 --> 02:05:36,240 plural. So we both Daella and Ray had 2613 02:05:36,240 --> 02:05:38,720 children, plural. But we have no idea who they 2614 02:05:38,720 --> 02:05:41,520 married or how many children they had or what became of those 2615 02:05:41,520 --> 02:05:43,200 children. So it's kind of a missing piece 2616 02:05:43,200 --> 02:05:45,120 of the Targaryen family tree. None of them would have been 2617 02:05:45,120 --> 02:05:47,600 named Targaryen. So that's why maybe it's not, It 2618 02:05:47,600 --> 02:05:49,800 wouldn't necessarily be they're not Targaryen, but they have 2619 02:05:49,800 --> 02:05:53,320 Targaryen bloodlines that went out there somewhere and not that 2620 02:05:53,320 --> 02:05:57,640 long ago, right? Eamon, when he's dying, thinks 2621 02:05:57,640 --> 02:06:01,600 of he wishes he could see Rey and Daella with their children, 2622 02:06:02,080 --> 02:06:03,280 right. That's what he's just thinking 2623 02:06:03,280 --> 02:06:05,280 of what he'll see. So they they have clearly passed 2624 02:06:05,280 --> 02:06:08,040 by then too. But he's expecting to see them 2625 02:06:08,040 --> 02:06:09,680 in the afterlife or something like that. 2626 02:06:11,440 --> 02:06:14,680 So open question, what happened to them? 2627 02:06:14,920 --> 02:06:17,600 But there's also when we do hear the stories, like filling some 2628 02:06:17,600 --> 02:06:19,520 of these, the stories of these characters out a bit. 2629 02:06:20,320 --> 02:06:23,040 There's got to be a reason why Egg married Betha instead of 2630 02:06:23,040 --> 02:06:27,280 Diana, because that's what was expected. 2631 02:06:27,680 --> 02:06:32,480 Rey specifically gave a love potion to Egg so that she'd 2632 02:06:32,480 --> 02:06:35,040 marry hit her instead of Dale. So that was clearly the 2633 02:06:35,040 --> 02:06:38,400 expectation for a while there. But that, you know, instead 2634 02:06:38,400 --> 02:06:41,920 Black Betha happened probably because they fell in love and 2635 02:06:42,840 --> 02:06:45,760 they accepted that marriage and their love because Egg was so 2636 02:06:45,760 --> 02:06:47,720 far down the line of succession at the time. 2637 02:06:48,040 --> 02:06:50,720 Now obviously that changed, but that's why he's called Egg on 2638 02:06:50,720 --> 02:06:55,400 the Unlikely, Megor and De Nora Targaryen, not Megor the Cruel. 2639 02:06:55,400 --> 02:06:57,800 We know exactly what happened to him, although we don't know who 2640 02:06:57,800 --> 02:07:00,400 killed him or why he died. We know where it happened. 2641 02:07:01,120 --> 02:07:02,880 This is the child of Aryan, right? 2642 02:07:02,880 --> 02:07:05,200 Flame who was who was passed over at the Great Council. 2643 02:07:05,200 --> 02:07:08,320 Not Aryan passed over, but Megor baby Megor. 2644 02:07:09,240 --> 02:07:11,880 It was passed over in part because he was a baby, but also 2645 02:07:11,880 --> 02:07:15,440 because of who his father was. They're like, well, if he was an 2646 02:07:15,440 --> 02:07:19,160 adult and he had shown he wasn't insane like his father, maybe. 2647 02:07:19,520 --> 02:07:22,280 But the coin flip hasn't happened yet. 2648 02:07:22,280 --> 02:07:24,880 The darker coin flip hasn't happened when you're only a baby 2649 02:07:24,880 --> 02:07:27,320 because, well, maybe it has happened, it just hasn't 2650 02:07:27,320 --> 02:07:29,680 manifested yet. So you know that's that's a 2651 02:07:29,680 --> 02:07:33,040 thing. And his mother, De Nora, who was 2652 02:07:33,040 --> 02:07:36,840 the third child of a third child, was the one married to 2653 02:07:36,840 --> 02:07:40,960 Arian and she disappears after Arian's death. 2654 02:07:42,000 --> 02:07:43,040 We don't know what happened to her. 2655 02:07:43,040 --> 02:07:46,320 She doesn't apparently remarry and we didn't exactly know much 2656 02:07:46,320 --> 02:07:49,400 about her before that. So yeah, another historical 2657 02:07:49,400 --> 02:07:50,920 female character that kind of vanishes. 2658 02:07:51,120 --> 02:07:53,640 And that's another missing character. 2659 02:07:53,640 --> 02:07:55,920 This is, this is right along with Ray and Daela. 2660 02:07:55,920 --> 02:07:57,720 These are same timeline, basically. 2661 02:07:57,720 --> 02:08:00,600 So when these stories get filled out, I guess the plan would be 2662 02:08:00,600 --> 02:08:04,200 during Duncan egg. This is apparently we could 2663 02:08:04,200 --> 02:08:06,680 expect to get answers if these stories are ever written, but 2664 02:08:06,680 --> 02:08:11,600 that is where they would fall. There's also Vayela who was born 2665 02:08:11,600 --> 02:08:14,920 before these characters but only 10 or 11 years before Megor. 2666 02:08:14,920 --> 02:08:17,000 So this would have been another young Targaryen. 2667 02:08:17,200 --> 02:08:20,160 Now she was the daughter of Kiara of Tyrosh and Daron the 2668 02:08:20,160 --> 02:08:22,160 Drunkard. Remember this is Kiara's second 2669 02:08:22,200 --> 02:08:25,400 Targaryen marriage. She was first married to Valar 2670 02:08:25,560 --> 02:08:28,640 and then Valar died in the great Spring Sickness. 2671 02:08:29,680 --> 02:08:32,240 She remarried to Daron Vale of Targaryen. 2672 02:08:32,240 --> 02:08:35,040 This child of of Kiara and Daron was considered sweet and simple 2673 02:08:35,040 --> 02:08:38,800 minded. So she was alive at the time of 2674 02:08:38,800 --> 02:08:40,240 the Great Council, but she was passed over. 2675 02:08:40,240 --> 02:08:43,360 She was only, you know, like I said, 10 or 11 years old. 2676 02:08:43,360 --> 02:08:45,680 So she wasn't very old, but also not seemingly not. 2677 02:08:45,680 --> 02:08:48,160 It wasn't because she was a girl, although that didn't help. 2678 02:08:48,600 --> 02:08:51,360 She was, like I said, simple minded, but also too young. 2679 02:08:51,360 --> 02:08:58,040 So yeah, now sadly, Vella Megor de Nora. 2680 02:08:58,360 --> 02:09:01,680 There's a pretty straightforward potential fate for them. 2681 02:09:01,760 --> 02:09:06,680 And some of these others like Ray de Ella, some of their 2682 02:09:06,680 --> 02:09:11,560 children, Summerhall might have done for all of them, probably 2683 02:09:11,560 --> 02:09:15,320 not all, but maybe quite a few of them, cause a lot of the 2684 02:09:15,320 --> 02:09:17,280 Targaryen family was apparently present for that. 2685 02:09:17,280 --> 02:09:23,280 It was super tragic and well some of them had to have been 2686 02:09:23,280 --> 02:09:26,480 there, right. So probably the fates of some of 2687 02:09:26,480 --> 02:09:29,440 these characters is is Summerhall, but it's also kind 2688 02:09:29,440 --> 02:09:30,960 of unlikely that all of them died there. 2689 02:09:30,960 --> 02:09:34,480 So he's got maybe a few dangling threads here and there, some 2690 02:09:34,480 --> 02:09:36,040 other Targaryen that might have been around. 2691 02:09:36,520 --> 02:09:40,120 Sierra Seastar, another example of a character we don't want to 2692 02:09:40,120 --> 02:09:42,040 spend much time on because she got her own episodes to check 2693 02:09:42,040 --> 02:09:44,200 out the Sierra Seastar episode, but we just don't know what 2694 02:09:44,200 --> 02:09:46,320 happened to her. Bloodraven went missing in World 2695 02:09:46,320 --> 02:09:48,480 and then forgotten about because so much time passed. 2696 02:09:49,080 --> 02:09:52,920 We don't know if people look for her or whether she just vanished 2697 02:09:52,920 --> 02:09:55,640 or whether she died and they just said, OK, she's dead, so 2698 02:09:56,080 --> 02:09:59,360 have a funeral. But she might have also been a 2699 02:09:59,360 --> 02:10:01,480 summer hall. That's a slight possibility. 2700 02:10:01,520 --> 02:10:03,200 And she wouldn't have been. She would have been kind of old, 2701 02:10:03,200 --> 02:10:04,640 but not super old. She would have been in like her 2702 02:10:04,640 --> 02:10:08,080 70s, but we just have no idea what happened to her. 2703 02:10:08,080 --> 02:10:10,480 Similarly, we have no idea what happened to quite a few 2704 02:10:10,480 --> 02:10:13,160 different Blackfires. There's big gaps in the family 2705 02:10:13,160 --> 02:10:14,960 tree. We don't even know how many 2706 02:10:14,960 --> 02:10:17,840 Blackfires were missing, but there's some that were for sure 2707 02:10:17,840 --> 02:10:19,520 are missing. So let's focus on those. 2708 02:10:20,320 --> 02:10:22,800 Daemon Blackfyre's first five sons are known. 2709 02:10:22,840 --> 02:10:25,480 They have names and all that, but we don't even have the names 2710 02:10:25,480 --> 02:10:27,400 of the 6th and 7th sons of Daemon. 2711 02:10:27,800 --> 02:10:30,200 And there's at least one accounted for daughter as well, 2712 02:10:30,520 --> 02:10:33,720 because he had daughters. We know of Cala Blackfyre, who 2713 02:10:33,720 --> 02:10:36,400 married Bitter Steel, so there's at least one more daughter, 2714 02:10:36,680 --> 02:10:38,280 maybe just one, but maybe multiples. 2715 02:10:38,840 --> 02:10:41,360 George did say Cala Blackfyre and Bitter Steel didn't have 2716 02:10:41,360 --> 02:10:43,040 children. I personally asked him that 2717 02:10:43,040 --> 02:10:45,000 question, so I'm pretty sure about that. 2718 02:10:45,320 --> 02:10:48,840 Although George did say I don't think so, So he kind of left the 2719 02:10:48,840 --> 02:10:52,320 door open to change his mind. But that's probably a dead end. 2720 02:10:53,160 --> 02:10:55,600 So it's possible that these other sons had more children 2721 02:10:55,600 --> 02:11:00,320 than ones of Damon's first five sons, but not the first five. 2722 02:11:01,480 --> 02:11:04,160 The only of the first five who had sons was Hagan. 2723 02:11:04,160 --> 02:11:06,720 So Amon and Aegon, the twin sons were died on the red grass 2724 02:11:06,720 --> 02:11:08,160 field. Way too young to have had kids. 2725 02:11:08,440 --> 02:11:10,920 Damon, the 2nd we see him in the mystery night, he didn't have 2726 02:11:10,920 --> 02:11:13,480 kids. And then the fifth one was 2727 02:11:13,480 --> 02:11:16,120 Aenis, the one that was invited to make his case for the Great 2728 02:11:16,120 --> 02:11:17,600 Council. Then Bloodraven seized him and 2729 02:11:17,600 --> 02:11:20,120 executed him. There's no indication he was 2730 02:11:20,120 --> 02:11:23,920 married either. Hagan, who was the claimant for 2731 02:11:23,920 --> 02:11:27,200 the third black fire rebellion and he was the 4th son of Damon, 2732 02:11:27,800 --> 02:11:30,720 definitely had children. One of them was named Damon. 2733 02:11:30,880 --> 02:11:36,720 That kid was the 4th Blackfyre claimant that Damon who was 2734 02:11:36,720 --> 02:11:41,360 killed by Dunk. So there may, like I said, that 2735 02:11:41,720 --> 02:11:44,920 Damon may have also had kids, but Hagan definitely had at 2736 02:11:44,920 --> 02:11:49,440 least one more son. So again there's the 6th and 2737 02:11:49,440 --> 02:11:52,480 seven sons of Damon Blackfyre and then maybe more from Hagan. 2738 02:11:53,200 --> 02:11:58,960 Those children somehow had more kids and this led to Meili's the 2739 02:11:58,960 --> 02:12:01,960 monstrous eventually and Meili's killed his cousin. 2740 02:12:01,960 --> 02:12:05,160 Another Damon for control of the golden Company says that Damon 2741 02:12:05,160 --> 02:12:08,360 was a descendant of these these people as well and one of the 2742 02:12:08,360 --> 02:12:12,120 black fires had filed teeth that was one of the because of the 2743 02:12:12,160 --> 02:12:15,400 the skull we see as part of their you know next to bitter 2744 02:12:15,400 --> 02:12:17,920 steel and these other skulls. So that's an interesting 2745 02:12:17,920 --> 02:12:19,800 character. We I'd like to learn more about 2746 02:12:19,800 --> 02:12:22,760 him and why he filed his teeth, and I guess he used them as a 2747 02:12:22,760 --> 02:12:24,200 weapon or just to intimidate people. 2748 02:12:24,200 --> 02:12:27,880 But goodness, that's scary. The mother of all black fires is 2749 02:12:27,880 --> 02:12:30,160 kind of missing, too. This is Dana the Defiant. 2750 02:12:30,160 --> 02:12:32,480 We don't know much about her at all. 2751 02:12:33,000 --> 02:12:35,000 I really hope George flushes this out. 2752 02:12:35,080 --> 02:12:38,960 She might have been anything from the primary driver of her 2753 02:12:38,960 --> 02:12:43,000 son's ambitions to dead before the Black fire rebellion ever 2754 02:12:43,000 --> 02:12:44,440 began. That's how little we know about 2755 02:12:44,440 --> 02:12:46,400 her, that these are both possibilities and those are 2756 02:12:46,400 --> 02:12:47,800 pretty distinct differences, right? 2757 02:12:47,800 --> 02:12:50,760 There's a there's a wide range of options there. 2758 02:12:51,120 --> 02:12:53,120 Nina guesses that Dana died relatively early. 2759 02:12:53,680 --> 02:12:58,000 Elena, her sister, was described as living quote much longer than 2760 02:12:58,000 --> 02:13:01,080 her sisters. But Elena lived into her 70s, so 2761 02:13:01,080 --> 02:13:03,680 there's still a lot of room for like Dana to have lived into her 2762 02:13:03,680 --> 02:13:07,680 40s, even 50s. That's 20 years, 30 years longer 2763 02:13:07,680 --> 02:13:11,200 than than Dana. So Dana is one of the bigger 2764 02:13:11,200 --> 02:13:14,760 characters we have here that could have a big impact on what 2765 02:13:14,760 --> 02:13:17,560 we know about the Black Fire rebellions if more gets revealed 2766 02:13:18,080 --> 02:13:23,080 and if Black Fire Balance ever hits TV, which it's not a 2767 02:13:23,080 --> 02:13:25,240 slender hope, it's a very decent chance we get that. 2768 02:13:25,240 --> 02:13:28,320 Ryan Condell's a huge fan of it. House of the Dragon might go 2769 02:13:28,320 --> 02:13:31,040 there one day, you know, because it's an anthology style show 2770 02:13:31,600 --> 02:13:33,680 they will have to flesh out. Then they do fine. 2771 02:13:33,720 --> 02:13:36,160 They might decide just have her die early. 2772 02:13:36,720 --> 02:13:41,000 But it's a really good chance to have a strong female character 2773 02:13:41,000 --> 02:13:43,800 at court that a lot of, there's a lot of potential for people to 2774 02:13:43,800 --> 02:13:47,560 like her A lot. She's like a character that has 2775 02:13:47,560 --> 02:13:51,200 a lot of potential I think for being popular. 2776 02:13:51,200 --> 02:13:53,800 You know, in which that's going to be something HBO and Ryan 2777 02:13:53,800 --> 02:13:55,840 Condell, whoever works on the show, is going to be like, yeah, 2778 02:13:55,840 --> 02:13:57,160 we want to this is a good character. 2779 02:13:57,160 --> 02:13:59,840 Let's make use of her. So I I've got a lot of hope that 2780 02:13:59,840 --> 02:14:02,360 we will see her. And it's an interesting hope 2781 02:14:02,360 --> 02:14:05,400 because it's, you know, George maybe doesn't have time to flesh 2782 02:14:05,400 --> 02:14:07,000 all this out. So we might be more likely to 2783 02:14:07,000 --> 02:14:10,640 see her on TV than we are to get the fleshed out book version of 2784 02:14:10,640 --> 02:14:11,760 her. But hopefully we get both. 2785 02:14:12,200 --> 02:14:14,360 We briefly transitioned to the Iron Islands because we don't 2786 02:14:14,360 --> 02:14:15,960 have a lot of missing characters here to talk about. 2787 02:14:15,960 --> 02:14:19,240 In fact, we only have one at the moment and then some follow up 2788 02:14:19,240 --> 02:14:20,520 later. That's Aaron. 2789 02:14:20,520 --> 02:14:22,280 He's not actually missing from our perspective. 2790 02:14:22,280 --> 02:14:27,120 We know he's strapped to the the prow of the silence or silence. 2791 02:14:27,120 --> 02:14:31,040 It's not the silence, it's just silence and probably going to 2792 02:14:31,040 --> 02:14:32,480 die there, right? Like, it doesn't seem like he's 2793 02:14:32,480 --> 02:14:33,880 going to get out of that predicament. 2794 02:14:34,400 --> 02:14:37,560 But he's missing by the perspective of the Iron Islands. 2795 02:14:37,560 --> 02:14:39,280 Like no one on the Iron Islands knew where he went. 2796 02:14:40,240 --> 02:14:41,840 He was kidnapped. This is a good example of 2797 02:14:41,840 --> 02:14:47,000 someone taken by force in secret and they're all like, oh, he's 2798 02:14:47,400 --> 02:14:49,760 doing his thing, We don't know he's he's going to re emerge one 2799 02:14:49,760 --> 02:14:52,360 day and etcetera. But no, he's not going to re 2800 02:14:52,360 --> 02:14:55,520 emerge one day. Only Christopher Botley, of all 2801 02:14:55,520 --> 02:14:58,240 people, has guessed correctly of what happened to him. 2802 02:14:58,480 --> 02:15:01,240 He guesses that err on his dead already, which, yeah, he's not 2803 02:15:01,240 --> 02:15:03,440 too far off on that because he probably is about to be. 2804 02:15:03,440 --> 02:15:07,920 And that's probably coming very soon because yeah, the next time 2805 02:15:07,920 --> 02:15:10,200 we see Aaron will probably be his last chapter. 2806 02:15:10,200 --> 02:15:12,800 It seems unlikely that he'll have another one, and he might 2807 02:15:12,800 --> 02:15:14,960 not even have another one. But I do think we'll have one 2808 02:15:14,960 --> 02:15:16,760 more. Exactly one more. 2809 02:15:17,680 --> 02:15:20,680 Slaver's Bay, Daenerys. She's missing. 2810 02:15:20,920 --> 02:15:23,440 We know where she is, kinda. She's on her version of 2811 02:15:23,440 --> 02:15:25,240 Dragonstone in the middle of the dress, Raki C, which is 2812 02:15:25,240 --> 02:15:29,120 enormous, an enormous place. But more importantly, within the 2813 02:15:29,120 --> 02:15:33,040 narrative, she's missing to the Mirronese and the youngkish and 2814 02:15:33,040 --> 02:15:36,800 the Astapori, and her absence and fears of her death are 2815 02:15:36,800 --> 02:15:40,480 causing a lot of chaos. Barristan is acting as if she's 2816 02:15:40,480 --> 02:15:41,880 alive. Good for him. 2817 02:15:41,880 --> 02:15:44,360 He's holding on to hope. He's being loyal, doing what a 2818 02:15:44,360 --> 02:15:47,760 good night should do. Meanwhile, other people all 2819 02:15:47,760 --> 02:15:51,400 throughout these cities are acting as if she's dead, 2820 02:15:51,840 --> 02:15:55,880 gambling that she's dead, or holding out hope. 2821 02:15:56,240 --> 02:15:59,080 And it's just a big variety, and it's just causing a lot of 2822 02:15:59,640 --> 02:16:01,760 anxiety within the city. Some people like, when's she 2823 02:16:01,760 --> 02:16:03,200 going to come back? We need her to return. 2824 02:16:03,200 --> 02:16:06,560 Where's our mother? Some people are like, kind of 2825 02:16:07,120 --> 02:16:09,120 what would seem realistic is that she's not. 2826 02:16:09,120 --> 02:16:10,680 They're like, yeah, I mean, she flew away. 2827 02:16:10,680 --> 02:16:13,600 Like, that doesn't look good. Like, are we, are we going to 2828 02:16:13,600 --> 02:16:15,640 ever see her again? It's been so long. 2829 02:16:15,640 --> 02:16:17,960 With each passing day, it gets less likely that she's going to 2830 02:16:17,960 --> 02:16:22,680 return. So her being missing is causing 2831 02:16:22,680 --> 02:16:24,000 a lot of problems. Just her. 2832 02:16:24,000 --> 02:16:29,200 Her lack of presence is driving a lot of the story from the Povs 2833 02:16:29,280 --> 02:16:34,240 we see through Barristan and basically we're starting to see 2834 02:16:34,240 --> 02:16:37,480 Povs outside of Marine in the Bay. 2835 02:16:37,480 --> 02:16:41,440 And you know, as the battle is raging with Tyrion and maybe 2836 02:16:41,440 --> 02:16:44,040 Victorian as well as just now, shit what he has just showed up. 2837 02:16:44,040 --> 02:16:47,559 It remains to be seen what his PO VS will reveal as far as 2838 02:16:47,559 --> 02:16:50,879 Daenerys and and that plot line, but he's there. 2839 02:16:50,879 --> 02:16:54,680 His his chapters could involve this, reveal some of this, but 2840 02:16:54,680 --> 02:16:56,559 the biggest name was in there, like I said, is Tyrion. 2841 02:16:56,760 --> 02:17:00,520 The major POV character. He's missing too, right? 2842 02:17:00,680 --> 02:17:04,559 We again know where he is. He's right in that tent with the 2843 02:17:04,600 --> 02:17:09,440 Second Sons, but everyone in Westeros thinks he's missing. 2844 02:17:09,559 --> 02:17:14,400 He escaped from prison, and a lot of people want him found. 2845 02:17:15,040 --> 02:17:18,240 Many of those simply because there's a reward. 2846 02:17:18,240 --> 02:17:19,480 They want to collect that reward. 2847 02:17:19,959 --> 02:17:23,000 But if Cersei loses power, that reward offer becomes worthless. 2848 02:17:23,000 --> 02:17:26,360 Like she can't reward give a lordship to someone when she's 2849 02:17:26,360 --> 02:17:31,559 no longer on the throne. So she's used his absence as a 2850 02:17:31,559 --> 02:17:34,120 boogeyman. Kind of like how Danny's absence 2851 02:17:34,120 --> 02:17:36,959 is driving a lot of story. Cersei's capitalizing on it by 2852 02:17:36,959 --> 02:17:38,600 blaming him for things she's like. 2853 02:17:38,840 --> 02:17:45,040 She plans on having Tristane killed and blame it on Tyrion, 2854 02:17:45,160 --> 02:17:49,080 right? But not just does she? 2855 02:17:49,120 --> 02:17:54,320 Part of the reason she's doing this is because she sees him as 2856 02:17:54,320 --> 02:17:56,840 a boogeyman and believes other people will too. 2857 02:17:57,000 --> 02:17:59,480 She's legitimately scared of what he's going to do and she's 2858 02:17:59,879 --> 02:18:02,240 probably right to be scared because he does want revenge. 2859 02:18:02,240 --> 02:18:05,320 And he said some nasty things about his intent towards her 2860 02:18:05,320 --> 02:18:09,719 When he gets a chance, he's a he's an exile, he's the monster 2861 02:18:09,719 --> 02:18:12,280 they made him into. And he's got powerful and 2862 02:18:12,280 --> 02:18:14,160 dangerous allies. Yeah, she should be worried 2863 02:18:14,160 --> 02:18:17,120 about what he's going to do in general and to her. 2864 02:18:17,360 --> 02:18:21,440 So in order to make him into more of a monster, to make him 2865 02:18:21,440 --> 02:18:24,120 into somebody that no one will follow, she's demonizing him 2866 02:18:24,120 --> 02:18:27,160 further by saying, look, he's killing the heir to Dorne, look 2867 02:18:27,160 --> 02:18:29,240 at these things, or the secondary heir to Dorne and all 2868 02:18:29,240 --> 02:18:31,879 these other things, so blah blah, blah. 2869 02:18:31,879 --> 02:18:34,920 I guess tertiary heir, really. He's the third, third in line. 2870 02:18:34,920 --> 02:18:36,200 But still, that's a Prince of Dorne. 2871 02:18:36,520 --> 02:18:39,959 It's a big deal. You know, she's trying to keep 2872 02:18:39,959 --> 02:18:44,480 Doran as an ally while not being as close of an ally. 2873 02:18:44,879 --> 02:18:48,080 And you, by blaming it on someone who's not there, they're 2874 02:18:48,080 --> 02:18:49,559 not going to. It's not going to work, I don't 2875 02:18:49,559 --> 02:18:50,760 think. I don't even think Christine 2876 02:18:50,760 --> 02:18:52,920 will die, because of course Doran knows about the plan. 2877 02:18:52,920 --> 02:18:54,200 He's the one that tells us about it. 2878 02:18:54,600 --> 02:18:58,719 So yeah, Christine will be fine, at least as far as that plot 2879 02:18:58,719 --> 02:19:00,879 goes. He might be in danger like 5 2880 02:19:00,879 --> 02:19:04,400 minutes later. But yeah, so you see, it isn't 2881 02:19:04,400 --> 02:19:07,240 just the Starks. It's a huge chunk of the major 2882 02:19:07,240 --> 02:19:11,360 characters, POV or not. Some that aren't missing were 2883 02:19:11,360 --> 02:19:13,920 missing at one point. Like, where did Stannis go? 2884 02:19:13,920 --> 02:19:15,280 He disappeared from even Dragons. 2885 02:19:15,320 --> 02:19:16,719 Oh, there he is, He's at the wall. 2886 02:19:17,160 --> 02:19:19,200 Theon went missing for several books. 2887 02:19:19,200 --> 02:19:22,040 Yeah, he's in the dread fork dungeons, but no one, like 2888 02:19:22,040 --> 02:19:23,600 almost no one in the world knew that. 2889 02:19:23,600 --> 02:19:27,040 Only like like Ramsay or Ruse told Catelyn and she maybe told 2890 02:19:27,040 --> 02:19:30,120 a few people, but she was told at the Red Wedding when did she 2891 02:19:30,280 --> 02:19:33,080 when, what time was there for her to spread that information? 2892 02:19:33,080 --> 02:19:34,280 You know, right before that right? 2893 02:19:34,320 --> 02:19:37,320 So it wasn't really publicized very much. 2894 02:19:37,440 --> 02:19:41,400 Major non POV characters, an example of his virus. 2895 02:19:41,400 --> 02:19:44,120 Virus went missing after Tyrion's disappearance because 2896 02:19:44,120 --> 02:19:46,639 he helped Tyrion disappear and he knew he would be incriminated 2897 02:19:46,639 --> 02:19:48,400 in that. He's pretty much still missing, 2898 02:19:48,400 --> 02:19:50,440 even though we finally see where he appeared out of the the 2899 02:19:50,440 --> 02:19:54,240 passages to pop up in the Tower of the Hand to shoot Kevin and 2900 02:19:54,240 --> 02:19:58,320 then presumably go back into the shadows where he's continuing to 2901 02:19:58,320 --> 02:20:00,000 operate. But he was missing for several 2902 02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:01,160 books there. We didn't see him at all. 2903 02:20:01,280 --> 02:20:04,320 Well, book and a half, basically all of a dance until the last 2904 02:20:04,320 --> 02:20:06,040 chapter and all of the Feast for Crows. 2905 02:20:06,200 --> 02:20:08,200 Euron was missing for a long time. 2906 02:20:08,200 --> 02:20:10,800 I think this is a big part of his story is that he was exiled 2907 02:20:10,800 --> 02:20:14,200 and then returned at a very opportune time that he probably 2908 02:20:14,640 --> 02:20:17,480 planned, which involved the murder of his brother. 2909 02:20:18,400 --> 02:20:22,880 So to be fair, in a world, in a low tech world like this, a 2910 02:20:22,880 --> 02:20:26,560 giant world. With humongous world building 2911 02:20:26,560 --> 02:20:30,000 and as well as just the size of the continents, it's not that 2912 02:20:30,000 --> 02:20:33,280 hard to go missing if you have. It only takes modest means to go 2913 02:20:33,280 --> 02:20:35,000 into hiding. Although it is harder when 2914 02:20:35,000 --> 02:20:36,880 people are looking for you, Powerful people are looking for 2915 02:20:36,880 --> 02:20:39,120 you. Related to Tyrion is Maccoro. 2916 02:20:39,120 --> 02:20:41,800 I don't mean they are related like their family, like Maccoro 2917 02:20:41,800 --> 02:20:45,240 is some long lost Lannister. He's on Victorian ship. 2918 02:20:45,240 --> 02:20:48,360 We know exactly where he is, but I included him here because he 2919 02:20:48,360 --> 02:20:51,240 went overboard while with Tyrion and Jorah and Penny and it's 2920 02:20:51,240 --> 02:20:54,040 going to blow Tyrion's mind when he sees them again. 2921 02:20:54,040 --> 02:20:57,000 He's like, holy crap, how are you alive? 2922 02:20:57,000 --> 02:20:59,720 You went missing in the middle of the ocean. 2923 02:21:00,120 --> 02:21:02,480 It's not something where you can just like, explain it away like, 2924 02:21:02,480 --> 02:21:06,320 oh, he probably wait, no, how how is this possible? 2925 02:21:06,360 --> 02:21:09,000 How did he live? It's going to change Tyrion's 2926 02:21:09,000 --> 02:21:11,520 mind on some things. I think Tyrion, among all the 2927 02:21:11,520 --> 02:21:15,640 characters, is one of the most skeptical about magic, is one of 2928 02:21:15,640 --> 02:21:18,280 the most disbelief. He he calls them snarks and 2929 02:21:18,280 --> 02:21:19,840 grumpkins. You know, he doesn't really 2930 02:21:19,840 --> 02:21:21,880 believe a lot of this, and that's interesting because he 2931 02:21:21,880 --> 02:21:23,720 has this fascination with Dragons and all that. 2932 02:21:23,720 --> 02:21:26,160 So he's he's, he's open to the supernatural when it when 2933 02:21:26,160 --> 02:21:29,160 they're in that form. But in terms of like, ghosts and 2934 02:21:29,520 --> 02:21:32,880 demons and the others and things like that, he he, he kind of 2935 02:21:32,880 --> 02:21:35,600 laughs at it, which of course he's wrong to do that, which is 2936 02:21:36,080 --> 02:21:38,600 ironic because he's one of the more intelligent, more educated 2937 02:21:38,600 --> 02:21:43,320 characters. But this alone has the chance to 2938 02:21:43,320 --> 02:21:46,920 move the needle for him. Just seeing Maccoro alive like 2939 02:21:46,920 --> 02:21:50,880 that has to be supernatural. He's not going to have an 2940 02:21:50,880 --> 02:21:52,760 ordinary, mundane explanation for that. 2941 02:21:52,920 --> 02:21:54,880 And of course, Maccoro would say the same. 2942 02:21:54,880 --> 02:21:57,520 He's like, yeah, the Lord of Light protected me and then blah 2943 02:21:57,520 --> 02:21:59,560 blah, blah. And he's like, if the 2944 02:21:59,560 --> 02:22:01,200 circumstances were different here, he'd be like, yeah, yeah, 2945 02:22:01,200 --> 02:22:02,760 sure, the Lord of Light protected you, blah, blah, blah. 2946 02:22:02,760 --> 02:22:07,240 But this one, he's like, no, really seems like, how did you 2947 02:22:07,280 --> 02:22:10,320 not die of thirst and exposure? Like he was out there for 10 2948 02:22:10,320 --> 02:22:12,520 days? Like, yeah, that's not normal. 2949 02:22:12,520 --> 02:22:14,640 That's not natural. Melisandre could have survived 2950 02:22:14,640 --> 02:22:16,200 that, too, given what we know about her. 2951 02:22:16,200 --> 02:22:19,320 But that's clearly supernatural. So this is maybe more like 2952 02:22:19,320 --> 02:22:21,480 Stannis seeing Davos again. Like, Oh my God, I thought you 2953 02:22:21,480 --> 02:22:23,640 were dead. Except it won't be, it won't be 2954 02:22:23,720 --> 02:22:25,720 pleasant. It won't be as like it won't be 2955 02:22:25,720 --> 02:22:27,480 like, oh, my God, my best friend's alive. 2956 02:22:27,480 --> 02:22:31,040 You know, Taryn, Davos and Stannis are like besties, but 2957 02:22:31,040 --> 02:22:32,840 for Tyrion. Tyrion's not Makoro's bestie. 2958 02:22:32,840 --> 02:22:34,840 He'll be, like, freaked out rather than happy, you know? 2959 02:22:34,840 --> 02:22:40,560 So, and Stannis already has a red priest who who disabused him 2960 02:22:40,560 --> 02:22:43,960 of of disbelief in magic. Stannis also was like, I didn't 2961 02:22:43,960 --> 02:22:46,720 really believe in the gods. He was like ash, these are just 2962 02:22:47,080 --> 02:22:51,560 things people say, you know, But Stannis has seen shadow babies 2963 02:22:51,560 --> 02:22:53,960 and seen things in the flames and all these other things. 2964 02:22:53,960 --> 02:22:58,200 So his disbelief is is is long gone and I think Tyrion is on 2965 02:22:58,200 --> 02:23:00,920 that same path of a disbeliever who's going to believe. 2966 02:23:01,280 --> 02:23:04,280 Speaking of Maccoro, the place he is is Victorian's fleet who 2967 02:23:04,280 --> 02:23:05,960 have some missing of their own, don't they? 2968 02:23:05,960 --> 02:23:09,840 What happened to all of those ships, a lot of Venice ships, so 2969 02:23:09,840 --> 02:23:13,880 many that we are a little suspicious now If 1020, even 30 2970 02:23:13,880 --> 02:23:16,800 ships were missing, it's a dangerous journey. 2971 02:23:17,000 --> 02:23:19,640 They went through Sartorius, they went to some really 2972 02:23:20,160 --> 02:23:22,320 difficult places. So yeah, some ships missing 2973 02:23:22,320 --> 02:23:26,160 makes sense, but it's like 50, 40 something ships. 2974 02:23:26,160 --> 02:23:28,800 It's so many that you got to wonder like maybe some of them 2975 02:23:28,800 --> 02:23:31,160 just didn't want to go. They just took, they just said 2976 02:23:31,160 --> 02:23:34,440 screw it, I'm not going, but it's suspicious and a large 2977 02:23:34,440 --> 02:23:38,200 percentage of the missing ones went missing down in Sothorio, 2978 02:23:38,200 --> 02:23:43,000 so that could be indication of something that happened down 2979 02:23:43,000 --> 02:23:44,600 there. Anyway, I wanted to include 2980 02:23:44,600 --> 02:23:46,040 them. No names in this. 2981 02:23:46,040 --> 02:23:48,640 We we have ship names maybe, but we don't have people names. 2982 02:23:48,640 --> 02:23:53,240 So let's just acknowledge that Victorian's fleet, the Iron 2983 02:23:53,240 --> 02:23:55,920 Fleet might be some extra ships out there somewhere. 2984 02:23:55,920 --> 02:23:59,800 I don't really believe in the Euron theory that Euron they 2985 02:23:59,800 --> 02:24:03,760 were going back to go to Euron, but that's a it's a legitimate 2986 02:24:03,760 --> 02:24:06,000 place for them to go if they get lost and they're like we got to 2987 02:24:06,000 --> 02:24:09,640 go back, they would go back home and thus be under Euron's 2988 02:24:09,640 --> 02:24:11,520 command again. But I don't suppose that's a 2989 02:24:11,520 --> 02:24:14,480 large number of them. Speaking of sailing, Speaking of 2990 02:24:15,000 --> 02:24:17,520 places that Tyrion and Maccoro went, they passed by Valyria, 2991 02:24:17,520 --> 02:24:18,880 right? They they went near it. 2992 02:24:18,880 --> 02:24:23,000 And quite a few people have claimed to go to Valyria or or 2993 02:24:23,720 --> 02:24:26,040 actually have gone maybe, but we have. 2994 02:24:26,040 --> 02:24:28,760 We actually see in the distance in that Tyrion chapter and 2995 02:24:28,760 --> 02:24:31,440 Tyrion's uncle Jerry and Lannister sailed to Valyria to 2996 02:24:31,440 --> 02:24:35,920 search for bright roar after their ancestor King Tommen 2997 02:24:36,360 --> 02:24:38,960 sailed there with bright roar and never returned. 2998 02:24:38,960 --> 02:24:41,960 So he was a missing person who became a missing brother. 2999 02:24:41,960 --> 02:24:45,240 This is Benjenish, where one person goes missing, another 3000 02:24:45,240 --> 02:24:47,480 person goes to search after them and also goes missing. 3001 02:24:48,160 --> 02:24:53,200 So that is basically the story of Jerian and Tom and Lannister 3002 02:24:53,200 --> 02:24:55,080 before him. I don't think we'll ever hear 3003 02:24:55,080 --> 02:24:56,800 what happened to them. There's a lot of theories about 3004 02:24:56,800 --> 02:24:59,880 Jerian being like the Shrouded Lord or some other things like 3005 02:24:59,880 --> 02:25:00,400 that. I don't know. 3006 02:25:00,520 --> 02:25:03,280 I kind of doubt I think he's gone, I think he's dead, but I 3007 02:25:03,280 --> 02:25:04,560 would like to know the circumstances of it. 3008 02:25:04,560 --> 02:25:06,600 I would like to know, you know, I would like follow up 3009 02:25:06,600 --> 02:25:11,040 regardless and to hear maybe the the the volunteers mess with 3010 02:25:11,040 --> 02:25:13,240 him. We talk about that in the Loss 3011 02:25:13,240 --> 02:25:15,720 Valyrian steel episode. Like maybe they were welcoming 3012 02:25:15,720 --> 02:25:19,640 to his endeavor only because they saw it as an opportunity to 3013 02:25:20,800 --> 02:25:22,920 rip him off. Rohan Weber. 3014 02:25:23,240 --> 02:25:25,720 That's right. Pretty big missing person from 3015 02:25:25,720 --> 02:25:29,000 the Duncan egg era. After marrying Eustace Webber at 3016 02:25:29,000 --> 02:25:32,280 the end of the sworn sword she later remarries to Gerald the 3017 02:25:32,280 --> 02:25:34,360 Golden Lannister. Now Gerald the Golden, that's 3018 02:25:34,440 --> 02:25:39,480 that's Tywin's grandfather and they have kids together. 3019 02:25:40,120 --> 02:25:44,080 Then one day, less than a year after her fourth child with 3020 02:25:44,080 --> 02:25:46,280 Gerald, she had more than four children but four with Gerald, 3021 02:25:46,800 --> 02:25:49,240 she up and disappears under mysterious quote under 3022 02:25:49,240 --> 02:25:51,760 mysterious circumstances in the year 230. 3023 02:25:52,080 --> 02:25:53,920 So 2:30. That's three years before the 3024 02:25:53,920 --> 02:25:57,080 Great Council, still during the reign of Makar, right. 3025 02:25:57,440 --> 02:26:00,360 So unless she was murdered or something, it's clear that this 3026 02:26:00,360 --> 02:26:06,400 is a a big old fat gardener seed planted by George to tackle 3027 02:26:06,400 --> 02:26:07,920 during the Duncan egg era, I suppose. 3028 02:26:09,040 --> 02:26:11,320 But it says disappears under mysterious circumstances. 3029 02:26:12,080 --> 02:26:15,720 So I don't doesn't sound like a murder sounds like, but it might 3030 02:26:15,720 --> 02:26:18,520 be you know it's an interesting time for them right. 3031 02:26:18,520 --> 02:26:21,080 So three years before he becomes king. 3032 02:26:21,160 --> 02:26:26,320 So there's a little it might be the last Duncan egg tale before 3033 02:26:26,480 --> 02:26:30,640 egg is a king. And that obviously would change 3034 02:26:30,640 --> 02:26:32,960 the the direction of the Duncan egg novels. 3035 02:26:32,960 --> 02:26:36,080 But they they could you know they'd still be cool and still 3036 02:26:36,080 --> 02:26:37,080 have lots of things they could do. 3037 02:26:37,080 --> 02:26:40,320 But it would be Egg is King and it wouldn't be wandering around 3038 02:26:40,320 --> 02:26:42,280 anymore. So that's a different, like a 3039 02:26:42,280 --> 02:26:44,560 different vibe there. And yeah, so. 3040 02:26:44,720 --> 02:26:47,360 It would be Dunk King Egg. Dunking Egg. 3041 02:26:49,440 --> 02:26:52,360 Nice. Now, Speaking of Lannister's 3042 02:26:53,040 --> 02:26:58,720 Taisha, big name Tyrion met her when he was 13 and she was 14, 3043 02:26:58,720 --> 02:27:00,560 so she would be about 28 or so now. 3044 02:27:01,360 --> 02:27:04,600 Tyrion constantly thinks of her, but I don't think we'll ever see 3045 02:27:04,600 --> 02:27:06,360 her. I don't think we're meant to. 3046 02:27:06,880 --> 02:27:08,400 I don't think there's a narrative purpose to her 3047 02:27:08,400 --> 02:27:11,640 appearing. I do say that with the the 3048 02:27:11,640 --> 02:27:14,920 caveat that I'm not a writer, I'm narrative purposes. 3049 02:27:15,080 --> 02:27:19,400 That's the province of writers, of someone, George, you know. 3050 02:27:19,400 --> 02:27:21,600 But still, you know, as a reader you can kind of get a sense of 3051 02:27:21,600 --> 02:27:22,880 what would make sense and what wouldn't. 3052 02:27:22,880 --> 02:27:27,920 And yeah, I don't think so. His father's cruelty to the 3053 02:27:27,920 --> 02:27:31,920 entire family is part of the story here. 3054 02:27:32,080 --> 02:27:35,720 Like how Tywin made Jamie complicit in it. 3055 02:27:35,720 --> 02:27:38,040 He forced him to be part of this awful thing. 3056 02:27:38,240 --> 02:27:40,280 And Tyrion? He forced Tyrion into it. 3057 02:27:40,720 --> 02:27:42,920 But it was Tyrion still participated. 3058 02:27:42,920 --> 02:27:45,440 You know, it's part of Tyrion's own darkness by being brought 3059 02:27:45,440 --> 02:27:46,920 into it. Part of it was choice, part of 3060 02:27:46,920 --> 02:27:50,840 it was compulsion. And it's the focal point of 3061 02:27:50,840 --> 02:27:53,440 Tywin's death scene when Tywin is shot by Tyrion. 3062 02:27:53,440 --> 02:27:59,320 It's it comes down to this insistence on referring to her 3063 02:27:59,320 --> 02:28:01,760 as a whore, which she definitely wasn't. 3064 02:28:01,760 --> 02:28:05,920 Like, this is, that was the lie that Tywin forced Tyrion to 3065 02:28:05,920 --> 02:28:07,760 believe the trick Tyrion to believe. 3066 02:28:08,360 --> 02:28:11,400 And it's the reveal of this lie that has Tyrion so mad. 3067 02:28:11,400 --> 02:28:14,880 Yet Tywin, just to his face, insists on maintaining that lie 3068 02:28:15,080 --> 02:28:16,760 even though the lie has been completely outed. 3069 02:28:16,960 --> 02:28:19,600 He's like, I know the truth. You paid for this. 3070 02:28:19,600 --> 02:28:22,320 You arranged for this, you know? Or that that story about you 3071 02:28:22,320 --> 02:28:26,240 paying for it was made-up at post facto to because you, in 3072 02:28:26,240 --> 02:28:31,880 your paranoid, you know view of the low born, assume that no, it 3073 02:28:31,880 --> 02:28:35,080 must have been because she was after Lannister gold. 3074 02:28:35,080 --> 02:28:36,680 It couldn't have been because she was into you. 3075 02:28:37,080 --> 02:28:38,240 Like what? Thanks for the vote of 3076 02:28:38,240 --> 02:28:41,520 confidence, dad. You know, it's brutal all 3077 02:28:41,520 --> 02:28:43,280 around. His attitude towards it, his 3078 02:28:43,280 --> 02:28:47,720 handling of it and the impact it has on, yes, Jamie and Tyrion. 3079 02:28:47,720 --> 02:28:50,720 But on Taisha, the one who is the hidden character, the one 3080 02:28:50,720 --> 02:28:53,520 who we don't see the impact on her, right. 3081 02:28:53,520 --> 02:28:55,320 We don't know what happened. We don't know if she's even 3082 02:28:55,320 --> 02:28:57,680 still alive, That many people think she's the Titan's 3083 02:28:57,680 --> 02:28:58,800 daughter. I don't think she's the Titan's 3084 02:28:58,800 --> 02:29:00,480 daughter. That seems so random to me. 3085 02:29:00,480 --> 02:29:02,240 You know, she didn't have the money. 3086 02:29:02,240 --> 02:29:06,440 She didn't get paid. It was sufficient money to leave 3087 02:29:06,440 --> 02:29:09,040 Westeros, which you might see why she would want to go 3088 02:29:09,040 --> 02:29:11,000 somewhere else and never be there again. 3089 02:29:11,720 --> 02:29:15,120 I hope she went somewhere nice, like the Arbor, and not in the 3090 02:29:15,120 --> 02:29:17,000 areas that Euron's men have raided. 3091 02:29:17,000 --> 02:29:19,600 Obviously I don't want her to be there, somewhere nice, you know, 3092 02:29:19,600 --> 02:29:22,840 maybe she could have a retirement and peace, I don't 3093 02:29:22,840 --> 02:29:25,440 know. It's so hard to predict head 3094 02:29:25,440 --> 02:29:27,120 cannon that I hope something nice happened to her. 3095 02:29:27,440 --> 02:29:30,480 But if she does reappear, if I'm wrong and she does reappear, my 3096 02:29:30,480 --> 02:29:35,360 best guess is that it's the same thing as Dunk in that Dunk 3097 02:29:35,360 --> 02:29:38,320 doesn't find Tanzel. And of course Dunk and Tanzel's 3098 02:29:38,320 --> 02:29:40,240 relationship is nothing with Tyrion and Taisha's, but the the 3099 02:29:40,320 --> 02:29:42,800 the the difficulty of them finding each other is somewhat 3100 02:29:42,800 --> 02:29:45,160 similar. And of course, Taisha may not 3101 02:29:45,160 --> 02:29:47,960 want to find Tyrion. In fact, I doubt that she does. 3102 02:29:48,040 --> 02:29:51,000 But if she does, it would be because Tyrion is now Lord of 3103 02:29:51,000 --> 02:29:52,960 casted Rock. He's returned from exile. 3104 02:29:52,960 --> 02:29:54,440 He's becomes Lord of casted Rock. 3105 02:29:54,600 --> 02:29:56,840 Then it's easy to find him. She knows where he is. 3106 02:29:56,840 --> 02:29:59,840 If she wants to go, say, hey, she wants to go yell at him. 3107 02:30:00,400 --> 02:30:04,040 She wants to poison his wine. She'll know where he is, you 3108 02:30:04,040 --> 02:30:05,760 know? But this seems like a thing that 3109 02:30:05,760 --> 02:30:08,880 would happen beyond A Song of Ice and Fire, like afterwards, 3110 02:30:08,880 --> 02:30:10,920 like in the aftermath that we wouldn't necessarily have time 3111 02:30:10,920 --> 02:30:12,600 for. It is a dream of spring and 3112 02:30:12,600 --> 02:30:14,680 beyond thing, if that. Maybe. 3113 02:30:14,680 --> 02:30:18,040 Maybe it's a thing that we leave Tyrion with that he thinks about 3114 02:30:18,040 --> 02:30:20,000 trying to find her. He's like, hey, now I'm Lord of 3115 02:30:20,000 --> 02:30:24,120 Castley Rock, the war's over. Maybe I could track down Taisha 3116 02:30:24,120 --> 02:30:25,440 and, you know, apologize or something. 3117 02:30:25,440 --> 02:30:27,680 I don't know what he would want to do, but an apology would 3118 02:30:27,680 --> 02:30:29,960 certainly be part of it. But it's not something that 3119 02:30:29,960 --> 02:30:32,760 could be like how we leave him. You know, we it stays. 3120 02:30:32,760 --> 02:30:35,360 She stays a missing person even at the end of the story, 3121 02:30:35,440 --> 02:30:38,160 although the the door is open for maybe him finding her, it's 3122 02:30:38,160 --> 02:30:38,960 possible. I don't know. 3123 02:30:39,240 --> 02:30:40,880 Taisha's a big one though. Taisha's one of the biggest 3124 02:30:40,880 --> 02:30:43,600 missing characters even though we don't expect to see her, but 3125 02:30:43,600 --> 02:30:46,520 because of such a she has such a huge impact on not just Tyrion 3126 02:30:46,560 --> 02:30:49,480 but all the Lannisters. Less so Cersei, but, but even 3127 02:30:49,480 --> 02:30:51,760 her like, it comes up because Cersei like throws it in 3128 02:30:51,760 --> 02:30:53,640 Tyrion's face like, oh, you shamed us all with that 3129 02:30:53,640 --> 02:30:56,680 marriage, blah, blah, blah. So in the Stormlands, not a lot 3130 02:30:56,720 --> 02:30:59,040 of Stormlands characters that are explicitly tied to the 3131 02:30:59,040 --> 02:31:00,680 Stormlands. We got one here that I want to 3132 02:31:00,680 --> 02:31:03,520 mention. That's Rhaegar's second Squire, 3133 02:31:03,520 --> 02:31:06,040 Richard Lawnmouth. Now, Rhaegar's first Squire was 3134 02:31:06,040 --> 02:31:07,960 Miles Mouton. Miles Mouton was killed during 3135 02:31:07,960 --> 02:31:09,560 the rebellion. So there's he's not missing. 3136 02:31:09,920 --> 02:31:12,640 But Richard Lawnmouth, there's no fate recorded for him. 3137 02:31:12,960 --> 02:31:14,680 And he's an interesting one because at the attorney of 3138 02:31:14,680 --> 02:31:18,720 Harrenhall he was seen drinking and playing, playing a drinking 3139 02:31:18,720 --> 02:31:22,680 game with Robert Baratheon. And both of them, Robert and 3140 02:31:23,040 --> 02:31:25,720 Richard promised to unmask the Night of the Laughing Tree when 3141 02:31:25,720 --> 02:31:27,360 he put out his calls. Like Unmask the Night of the 3142 02:31:27,360 --> 02:31:28,840 Laughing Tree. This is no friend of mine. 3143 02:31:29,120 --> 02:31:31,200 Yeah, Richard Launmuth was one of the people who said I'll do 3144 02:31:31,200 --> 02:31:32,000 it. Of course he didn't. 3145 02:31:32,440 --> 02:31:36,080 It was Rhaegar apparently. But Mira refers to Richard 3146 02:31:36,080 --> 02:31:39,520 Launmuth as the Knight of Sculls and Kisses due to his sigil. 3147 02:31:39,640 --> 02:31:41,680 And the twist is, who did he fight for in the Rebellion? 3148 02:31:42,720 --> 02:31:45,800 Is this a Stormlands guy? You'd think he would fight for 3149 02:31:45,800 --> 02:31:48,480 Robert, but he was Rhaegar Squire and he was still Rhaegar 3150 02:31:48,480 --> 02:31:49,160 Squire. He wasn't. 3151 02:31:49,160 --> 02:31:52,480 Wasn't like after being Rhaegar Squire, it was still like in 3152 02:31:52,480 --> 02:31:55,760 progress. So that's a tough choice. 3153 02:31:55,760 --> 02:31:57,080 That's like, who do you fight for? 3154 02:31:57,080 --> 02:31:59,240 Like, this is a good example of someone that had a really, 3155 02:31:59,240 --> 02:32:01,160 really tough decision to make. Like Stannis. 3156 02:32:01,160 --> 02:32:06,080 Like a few others, Like the the well, like a few others. 3157 02:32:06,120 --> 02:32:08,080 Lots of examples of people who had a tough choice there. 3158 02:32:08,080 --> 02:32:09,400 I just can't think of one on top of my head. 3159 02:32:09,680 --> 02:32:14,600 And there's a popular theory proposed by Lady Gwen that 3160 02:32:14,880 --> 02:32:17,280 Richard Lawnmouth is none other than Lem Lemon Cloak. 3161 02:32:17,640 --> 02:32:19,680 You can I I highly suggest you read it. 3162 02:32:20,080 --> 02:32:24,040 Just Google Lem Lemon Cloak Richard Lawnmouth and you'll 3163 02:32:24,040 --> 02:32:27,120 find it. And Lady Gwen goes into a lot of 3164 02:32:27,120 --> 02:32:30,520 the details to show why they have things in common, physical 3165 02:32:30,520 --> 02:32:31,800 characteristics, things like that. 3166 02:32:32,200 --> 02:32:36,240 And the important part, the narrative purpose. 3167 02:32:36,240 --> 02:32:39,160 Why would he be alive? Well, because Richard Lawnmouth 3168 02:32:39,640 --> 02:32:43,440 would have been there for Liana's abduction for a lot of 3169 02:32:43,440 --> 02:32:45,520 things that happened between Rhaegar and Liana. 3170 02:32:45,720 --> 02:32:50,320 So he's another character that whose important to the narrative 3171 02:32:50,320 --> 02:32:55,120 is very much wrapped in being a witness to Rhaegar Liana's 3172 02:32:55,120 --> 02:32:58,360 stuff. He might have even gone with 3173 02:32:58,360 --> 02:33:01,960 Rhaegar to the Tower of Joy. He's a Squire, right? 3174 02:33:02,840 --> 02:33:06,080 Yeah, it's entirely possible. So this guy could know a lot. 3175 02:33:06,080 --> 02:33:08,000 And if he is Lem, lemon cloak, well then there you go. 3176 02:33:08,000 --> 02:33:10,520 And if he's not Lemon Cloak, he might be alive and out there 3177 02:33:10,520 --> 02:33:13,480 somewhere. So well yeah, it's a big one. 3178 02:33:14,800 --> 02:33:16,440 That's one of the more obscure ones. 3179 02:33:16,440 --> 02:33:19,680 But he has information that might be on the level of nearly 3180 02:33:19,680 --> 02:33:23,880 on the level of a Willa or or a Benjamin couple, other last 3181 02:33:23,880 --> 02:33:27,760 random ones we have here. And then some comments from 3182 02:33:27,760 --> 02:33:31,520 Y'all because you'll have some good suggestions, I'm assuming. 3183 02:33:31,520 --> 02:33:33,320 I haven't had the chance to look through them yet since they're 3184 02:33:33,320 --> 02:33:36,840 they were added to the document during this episode, but I 3185 02:33:36,840 --> 02:33:39,600 assume so. The sorcerer who cut Varys, Good 3186 02:33:39,600 --> 02:33:41,800 example, one that we probably won't see. 3187 02:33:41,800 --> 02:33:43,800 Almost certainly you aren't going to see or hear about or 3188 02:33:43,800 --> 02:33:46,080 anything like that. He may not even exist, as we 3189 02:33:46,080 --> 02:33:48,920 talked about in our Varys education episode. 3190 02:33:49,160 --> 02:33:55,160 He might be entirely made-up and he was already a man grown 3191 02:33:55,160 --> 02:33:57,960 probably older, when Varys was young. 3192 02:33:57,960 --> 02:34:01,080 So very good chance this person's dead even of old age or 3193 02:34:01,080 --> 02:34:03,760 or what have you. But I thought he was worth a 3194 02:34:03,760 --> 02:34:05,800 mention. He's he was on our mind because 3195 02:34:05,800 --> 02:34:09,120 of the virus episode was recent and you know he's somebody that 3196 02:34:09,120 --> 02:34:13,120 we don't have a fate for Quaith. The bigger question about Quaith 3197 02:34:13,120 --> 02:34:15,240 is who she is or what her deal is. 3198 02:34:15,560 --> 02:34:18,440 She may not be someone else even though she's masked and we're 3199 02:34:18,440 --> 02:34:21,600 curious and her location is probably just somewhere in 3200 02:34:21,600 --> 02:34:24,000 Karth. But her interest in Danny and 3201 02:34:24,000 --> 02:34:28,520 the fact that she appears in at least one dream is like, well, 3202 02:34:28,520 --> 02:34:30,400 where where is she doing this from? 3203 02:34:30,400 --> 02:34:34,840 If she's got, like, a glass candle that's enabling her to 3204 02:34:34,840 --> 02:34:37,400 appear in dreams? Well, where is it? 3205 02:34:37,440 --> 02:34:41,200 Where is this glass candle room? What does it look like? 3206 02:34:41,200 --> 02:34:44,600 Like, Is this like a sorceress, you know, chamber? 3207 02:34:44,600 --> 02:34:45,840 Like, yeah, I'm curious about that. 3208 02:34:45,840 --> 02:34:49,320 Or is she following Danny? Like, is she actually trying to 3209 02:34:49,320 --> 02:34:51,280 be in her proximity for later deeds? 3210 02:34:51,280 --> 02:34:53,240 Is she trying to, like, show up and give her advice? 3211 02:34:53,240 --> 02:34:56,000 You know, 'cause she's trying to guide her through dreams? 3212 02:34:56,000 --> 02:34:59,920 Why not in person? You know, Quafe is a one of the 3213 02:34:59,920 --> 02:35:03,720 more mysterious characters there is and right now we don't know 3214 02:35:03,720 --> 02:35:05,720 exactly where she is so I thought she was worth a mention 3215 02:35:05,720 --> 02:35:07,440 here. Even if the bigger part of her 3216 02:35:07,440 --> 02:35:10,640 role is is better discussed elsewhere, there are always more 3217 02:35:10,640 --> 02:35:13,280 characters one could consider missing, given it can be a 3218 02:35:13,280 --> 02:35:15,960 matter of perspective. Again, I I use a very wide open 3219 02:35:15,960 --> 02:35:20,240 definition of missing here and you could certainly have taken 3220 02:35:20,240 --> 02:35:23,440 it a little wider or picked on some that I didn't think of. 3221 02:35:23,640 --> 02:35:26,440 The unnamed Princess of Dorne. What's her deal? 3222 02:35:26,440 --> 02:35:27,680 We haven't even we don't even know her name. 3223 02:35:27,680 --> 02:35:31,880 Like, that's Elia and Oberyn and Doran's mother. 3224 02:35:31,880 --> 02:35:34,120 And she was the ruling lady of Doran. 3225 02:35:34,560 --> 02:35:38,200 Brandon LED and Brandon LED. Brandon, Ned, Liana, Benjen's 3226 02:35:38,200 --> 02:35:40,560 mother. That's Rickard's wife, Liara. 3227 02:35:41,520 --> 02:35:43,880 We know she's dead, but what happened to her? 3228 02:35:43,880 --> 02:35:46,880 We we they don't think about her, you know, Not that Ned 3229 02:35:46,880 --> 02:35:48,920 thinks about much of his family. Ned doesn't think about his his 3230 02:35:48,920 --> 02:35:51,680 own father either. So it's not like he just doesn't 3231 02:35:51,680 --> 02:35:54,920 think about a lot of his past. Ned just yeah, his past is 3232 02:35:54,920 --> 02:35:56,280 painful. He just stays out of there. 3233 02:35:57,400 --> 02:35:59,960 There's telling examples, like why is the Iron Bank never 3234 02:35:59,960 --> 02:36:03,120 mentioned in Aria's chapters? That's more like a missing thing 3235 02:36:03,120 --> 02:36:05,800 that's meant to keep build the mystery. 3236 02:36:05,800 --> 02:36:09,680 I think you know why is Daenerys never mentioned in Davos and 3237 02:36:09,680 --> 02:36:11,880 Melisandre's chapters? Probably for similar reason. 3238 02:36:11,880 --> 02:36:14,400 It's something the lines of it's not time yet for that. 3239 02:36:14,400 --> 02:36:17,360 They haven't learned about it yet, and George hasn't decided 3240 02:36:17,360 --> 02:36:18,880 that it's time for them to learn about it yet. 3241 02:36:18,880 --> 02:36:21,080 And it's it's not like this doesn't make sense. 3242 02:36:21,880 --> 02:36:25,520 Stannis and Melisandre are so far away, out of out of where 3243 02:36:25,520 --> 02:36:27,760 you would be getting news about the rest of the world right now. 3244 02:36:27,800 --> 02:36:31,080 You know, there's children of like Bayla and Oakenfist. 3245 02:36:31,600 --> 02:36:34,080 We'll wonder about them. But that'll also probably get 3246 02:36:34,080 --> 02:36:37,680 covered in fire and blood, too. We could get really obscure, 3247 02:36:37,680 --> 02:36:41,360 really ultra obscure, like we joke about bears and Marmont 3248 02:36:41,360 --> 02:36:43,480 women. But hey, where's the male dire 3249 02:36:43,480 --> 02:36:45,520 wolf that fathered all those Stark wolves? 3250 02:36:45,640 --> 02:36:46,920 Right? Where's the dad? 3251 02:36:46,920 --> 02:36:49,760 Where's Papa Dire wolf at? He's probably still out there, 3252 02:36:49,760 --> 02:36:52,800 right? It wasn't an Immaculate 3253 02:36:52,800 --> 02:36:55,160 Conception of a, of a lady direwolf, was it? 3254 02:36:55,160 --> 02:36:58,080 I mean, maybe it was. That would make it even more 3255 02:36:58,080 --> 02:36:59,640 mystery and supernatural element this year. 3256 02:36:59,640 --> 02:37:01,200 Like, the gods really are playing a role here. 3257 02:37:01,200 --> 02:37:04,560 They're immaculately concepting direwolf here to give these to 3258 02:37:04,560 --> 02:37:05,280 the kids. Yeah. 3259 02:37:05,480 --> 02:37:07,840 And so one of the one of the tricks with this episode was 3260 02:37:07,840 --> 02:37:10,360 it's sometimes it's easy, like it's some of these mysteries are 3261 02:37:10,360 --> 02:37:13,760 prominent, but it's not always easy to tell what's not there. 3262 02:37:13,760 --> 02:37:16,360 Like when something's missing, you don't always notice it's 3263 02:37:16,360 --> 02:37:20,240 missing, you know? So I'm again, this is my caveat 3264 02:37:20,240 --> 02:37:23,160 from quite sure we missed some Please let us know who we 3265 02:37:23,160 --> 02:37:25,560 missed. Let's start here with some of 3266 02:37:25,560 --> 02:37:28,000 these examples sent in during the episode here we've got 3267 02:37:28,200 --> 02:37:30,040 cannibal the dragon says. Did you guys talk about Alice 3268 02:37:30,040 --> 02:37:31,880 Rivers and her unnamed baby and the dragon? 3269 02:37:31,880 --> 02:37:34,040 She may have no see. Good example. 3270 02:37:34,040 --> 02:37:35,480 That's a big one that I didn't mention. 3271 02:37:35,480 --> 02:37:37,120 And you're in a house strong shirt. 3272 02:37:37,120 --> 02:37:38,640 I'm even wearing a house strong shirt. 3273 02:37:38,640 --> 02:37:40,960 Dang it. So yeah, what happened to her, 3274 02:37:40,960 --> 02:37:43,480 like Fire and Blood 2 is that should cover that. 3275 02:37:44,120 --> 02:37:48,400 But it it's like that narrative is kind of dropped near the end 3276 02:37:48,400 --> 02:37:49,920 of the book. Like Alice Rivers was like 3277 02:37:49,920 --> 02:37:52,520 defeated, the challenge to her holding Heronhall and there's no 3278 02:37:52,520 --> 02:37:54,680 follow up on it. And she said she had a baby with 3279 02:37:54,680 --> 02:37:57,400 Amon. That might just be a lie but 3280 02:37:57,400 --> 02:38:00,040 what about the dragon? Maybe that was an illusion, but 3281 02:38:00,040 --> 02:38:03,160 jeez, yeah, there's a lot of mysteries there and part of them 3282 02:38:03,160 --> 02:38:04,560 are just as where is Alice Rivers? 3283 02:38:04,560 --> 02:38:07,360 What happened to her? So yeah good call good proof of 3284 02:38:07,880 --> 02:38:10,200 of the of the my point that there's just too many of these 3285 02:38:10,200 --> 02:38:12,800 to keep track of them all Egret Warewood says. 3286 02:38:12,800 --> 02:38:15,240 Didn't Maester Wally's get a mention that's Winterfell's 3287 02:38:15,240 --> 02:38:18,440 maester before Lewin. I don't consider him missing. 3288 02:38:18,440 --> 02:38:21,720 I did dig into this our good friend Laura Brondos brought him 3289 02:38:21,720 --> 02:38:26,640 up to shout out to Laura Facebook mod and I believe she's 3290 02:38:26,640 --> 02:38:32,040 still a mod on the on the subreddit as well and he simply 3291 02:38:32,040 --> 02:38:35,480 Maester Lewin just takes over and I in in the year 283 so I I 3292 02:38:35,480 --> 02:38:38,280 think that's just cause Maester Wells died he just his time his 3293 02:38:38,280 --> 02:38:41,680 term ended because he passed but if not then it is a mystery. 3294 02:38:41,680 --> 02:38:43,520 If I'm wrong about that then what happened to him where did 3295 02:38:43,520 --> 02:38:47,560 he go Why why did he leave Winterfell cause usually they 3296 02:38:47,560 --> 02:38:49,520 just stay there and it's their job until they die. 3297 02:38:49,520 --> 02:38:52,920 Or why was he recalled if he was swapped out for some reason So 3298 02:38:52,920 --> 02:38:55,920 yeah it's a potential and if he did die before though that means 3299 02:38:55,920 --> 02:39:00,000 he his his father. If his father is Arch Mester 3300 02:39:00,320 --> 02:39:03,400 Walgrave, then he out the Walgrave outlived him. 3301 02:39:03,400 --> 02:39:06,640 But Walgrave is like senile now, so we we don't know what the 3302 02:39:06,640 --> 02:39:08,360 deal there is. Guilty Undertaker says. 3303 02:39:08,360 --> 02:39:10,840 Did the ultimate question did Ashara Dane change her name to 3304 02:39:10,840 --> 02:39:12,600 Gianna and did she marry Howlin Reid? 3305 02:39:12,600 --> 02:39:16,240 Well second time I've had a call to mention Chloe of Girls Gone 3306 02:39:16,240 --> 02:39:17,800 Can and that's one of her favorite theories. 3307 02:39:18,280 --> 02:39:22,000 But personally I don't think so. But I can't say no, I can't say 3308 02:39:22,000 --> 02:39:24,680 it's impossible. Ashara Dane is arguably belongs 3309 02:39:24,680 --> 02:39:26,720 in the missing category. We never found a body. 3310 02:39:27,120 --> 02:39:28,480 She jumped out the window, we're told. 3311 02:39:28,480 --> 02:39:32,200 But there's no body. You know, the body, the the pale 3312 02:39:32,200 --> 02:39:34,000 stone sword tower is over the sea. 3313 02:39:34,000 --> 02:39:38,760 So we wouldn't expect a body, but it's possible she's alive, 3314 02:39:39,280 --> 02:39:41,320 you know? Yeah, I'd say I'm in the same 3315 02:39:41,320 --> 02:39:45,280 boat as Aziz and that, you know, I I just don't buy the theory 3316 02:39:45,280 --> 02:39:48,760 really. But I can't fully rule it out. 3317 02:39:48,760 --> 02:39:52,320 I wouldn't call it crackpot. I wouldn't go that far, but I 3318 02:39:52,320 --> 02:39:55,040 wouldn't consider it likely in my own estimation. 3319 02:39:55,320 --> 02:39:58,160 More than that, I would say I don't want it to be true. 3320 02:39:58,160 --> 02:40:03,120 Like I don't find great meaning or like narrative significance 3321 02:40:03,120 --> 02:40:05,880 or I I don't know. I it doesn't do much for me. 3322 02:40:05,880 --> 02:40:08,240 So I don't find myself wanting it, if you know what I mean. 3323 02:40:08,240 --> 02:40:11,400 Like I like the tragedy more of her having killed herself. 3324 02:40:11,880 --> 02:40:14,680 I don't like it, but I I like it on a narrative sense more. 3325 02:40:15,120 --> 02:40:16,440 I don't know. Yeah, that, that. 3326 02:40:16,440 --> 02:40:18,720 That's to be clear when I I say what I think about it, I think 3327 02:40:18,720 --> 02:40:21,480 it's just I'm looking at what it means for the story to bring it 3328 02:40:21,480 --> 02:40:24,800 back to what what we cited from Nina to start things off. 3329 02:40:25,080 --> 02:40:26,840 Why would this character come back? 3330 02:40:26,840 --> 02:40:29,360 What's the meaning, What's the narrative purpose? 3331 02:40:29,720 --> 02:40:32,640 And I don't think Ashar is really necessary in order to 3332 02:40:32,640 --> 02:40:34,720 know John's heritage or anything. 3333 02:40:34,880 --> 02:40:39,360 We named quite a few characters in this episode alone that can 3334 02:40:39,520 --> 02:40:40,920 fill that out. Bran. 3335 02:40:41,280 --> 02:40:45,320 Willa Richard Lawnmouth Benjen. Yeah, there's a lot of people 3336 02:40:45,320 --> 02:40:47,960 that might know that. So we don't necessarily need 3337 02:40:48,240 --> 02:40:52,520 Ashara to be for that, although. And there's other Danes alive 3338 02:40:52,520 --> 02:40:55,600 that might know, like Elyria Dane who was married to 3339 02:40:55,600 --> 02:40:58,600 betrothed to Barrack Donderian. Or were they actually married? 3340 02:40:58,600 --> 02:40:59,520 Either. It doesn't matter whether 3341 02:40:59,520 --> 02:41:00,800 they're married or betrothed. I think they were just 3342 02:41:00,800 --> 02:41:02,800 betrothed. The point is, she should still 3343 02:41:02,800 --> 02:41:05,000 be out there, you know. Arguably she's considered 3344 02:41:05,000 --> 02:41:05,960 missing. Probably not missing, though 3345 02:41:05,960 --> 02:41:08,640 she's probably just at Starfall. Nothing too strange about that. 3346 02:41:09,000 --> 02:41:11,640 But still, she's relevant to this greater discussion about 3347 02:41:11,640 --> 02:41:14,120 who knows things about the Tower of Joy or the things that came 3348 02:41:14,120 --> 02:41:16,080 up before it. And we will eventually return to 3349 02:41:16,080 --> 02:41:18,600 this because one of the other topics episodes it was voted on 3350 02:41:18,600 --> 02:41:20,920 was The Abduction of Leanna. So you'll see some of these 3351 02:41:20,920 --> 02:41:23,640 names come back sometime in 2024. 3352 02:41:23,640 --> 02:41:26,640 We do not currently have that one on the schedule, but it will 3353 02:41:26,640 --> 02:41:31,680 be this year. Next week is Lomas Long Strider. 3354 02:41:31,680 --> 02:41:33,760 You know, it's an episode that I wanted to do for a long time. 3355 02:41:33,760 --> 02:41:35,760 I thought I would script it and I had trouble. 3356 02:41:35,760 --> 02:41:36,960 I've been had trouble writing it. 3357 02:41:37,040 --> 02:41:39,080 So we're not going to do it as a scripted episode. 3358 02:41:39,080 --> 02:41:42,440 We're going to do it as a hybrid, partly scripted, partly 3359 02:41:42,440 --> 02:41:44,120 discussion. And I think it works better as a 3360 02:41:44,120 --> 02:41:45,920 discussion episode because, well, because there's so many, 3361 02:41:46,160 --> 02:41:49,240 so many unknowns and just comparisons to the real world. 3362 02:41:49,240 --> 02:41:50,640 Yeah, just things to throw out and have fun with. 3363 02:41:50,640 --> 02:41:52,080 So we're looking forward to that. 3364 02:41:52,080 --> 02:41:54,840 I hope you are too. Our trivia question today was 3365 02:41:55,640 --> 02:42:00,000 Rhaegar Frey is the brother of Aegon Frey, Son of Annie's Frey. 3366 02:42:00,320 --> 02:42:01,720 Yeah. And what was the name of his 3367 02:42:01,720 --> 02:42:03,080 son? Robert? 3368 02:42:03,080 --> 02:42:05,160 It's like this guy had a sense of humor. 3369 02:42:05,280 --> 02:42:09,440 He's like, he is named Rhaegar and he named his. 3370 02:42:09,800 --> 02:42:13,600 He's named after Prince Rhaegar, and he named his son after the 3371 02:42:13,600 --> 02:42:17,640 guy who killed his namesake. More than a sense of humor, I 3372 02:42:17,640 --> 02:42:20,840 think he has a sense of of desperation and be like I am not 3373 02:42:20,840 --> 02:42:24,080 going to be looked kindly upon by this administration. 3374 02:42:24,240 --> 02:42:27,840 I really need to do anything I can to Curry his favor and to 3375 02:42:27,880 --> 02:42:31,120 not have him like like, oh Rhaegar Fray kill him. 3376 02:42:31,120 --> 02:42:33,080 There's also a Cersei Fray from a different branch. 3377 02:42:33,080 --> 02:42:34,440 Yeah, yeah. So like, you can see. 3378 02:42:34,960 --> 02:42:38,920 It speaks to the back of the phrase as a whole, for multiple 3379 02:42:38,920 --> 02:42:41,320 generations have just been trying to Curry favor. 3380 02:42:41,320 --> 02:42:43,000 Yeah, they just blow where the wind is blowing, yeah. 3381 02:42:43,080 --> 02:42:45,360 They just do that, period. But I think this Rhaegar Fray 3382 02:42:45,360 --> 02:42:47,320 really needed to do this. Yeah, yeah. 3383 02:42:47,320 --> 02:42:49,800 And Rhaegar isn't young. That's that's all you're right. 3384 02:42:49,800 --> 02:42:52,800 Like these, these, these names were definitely given during the 3385 02:42:52,800 --> 02:42:55,720 Targaryen era. Like, so yeah, but Rhaegar ended 3386 02:42:55,720 --> 02:42:57,680 up in a pie. Despite all his efforts to be on 3387 02:42:57,680 --> 02:42:59,240 the right side, He ended up in a pie. 3388 02:42:59,240 --> 02:43:00,840 So you know, that's what happens. 3389 02:43:00,960 --> 02:43:04,440 And Annie's ended up in a pit and Aegon is outlaw living 3390 02:43:04,440 --> 02:43:07,360 somewhere. So yeah, other episodes that 3391 02:43:07,880 --> 02:43:12,040 pertain to this one, there's a so many connection points made 3392 02:43:12,040 --> 02:43:14,080 in this one, maybe more than any other episode we've ever done. 3393 02:43:15,280 --> 02:43:17,720 Craster and the Cold Gods. We talked about him in relation 3394 02:43:17,720 --> 02:43:19,640 to Benjen. We talked about the Golden 3395 02:43:19,640 --> 02:43:23,960 Company in relation to several missing black fires and all that 3396 02:43:24,440 --> 02:43:28,160 including Bitter Steel and Calla and others House Dane episodes 3397 02:43:28,160 --> 02:43:30,680 one and two, mostly episode one because that's where we focused 3398 02:43:30,680 --> 02:43:34,280 on the characters which gets into, you know, Illyria and 3399 02:43:34,280 --> 02:43:37,320 Edrick and some of these others. We talked about Shira Seastar or 3400 02:43:37,320 --> 02:43:39,200 we didn't go into too much detail because she has her own 3401 02:43:39,200 --> 02:43:41,480 episode, The future of Duncan Egg. 3402 02:43:41,480 --> 02:43:45,040 We had to did a whole episode with Stefan Sasa, but Sean was a 3403 02:43:45,040 --> 02:43:47,360 part of that. We went into all sorts of 3404 02:43:47,360 --> 02:43:49,760 predictions and and what might happen in the future of that 3405 02:43:49,760 --> 02:43:50,720 series. That includes a lot of the 3406 02:43:50,720 --> 02:43:53,160 characters you mentioned today. Our good friend Tommy Pappas 3407 02:43:53,160 --> 02:43:56,120 came on for an episode called Lost Valyrian Steel where we 3408 02:43:56,120 --> 02:43:59,680 discussed characters like Jerian and Tommen and other characters 3409 02:43:59,680 --> 02:44:03,520 that were associated with Lost Valyrian Steel items like 3410 02:44:03,520 --> 02:44:05,240 Aegon's Crown and things like that. 3411 02:44:05,720 --> 02:44:11,720 Our Victorian Wins of Winter Chapter deals with Mukoro and 3412 02:44:11,880 --> 02:44:16,640 the Being Lost and Euron and the Missing ships Sansa's. 3413 02:44:16,640 --> 02:44:19,360 The Wins of Winter Chapter deals with characters like the Mad 3414 02:44:19,360 --> 02:44:23,680 Mouse and Miranda Royce, who might know who she is, as well 3415 02:44:23,680 --> 02:44:25,400 as just being a really fun chapter. 3416 02:44:25,560 --> 02:44:27,200 Mercy. Ditto. 3417 02:44:27,320 --> 02:44:29,560 That's where RAF the Sweetling goes missing. 3418 02:44:29,560 --> 02:44:35,080 Cause Mercy kills him, and we continue along the strange and 3419 02:44:35,080 --> 02:44:38,040 curious pattern of Aria's chapters, never mentioning the 3420 02:44:38,040 --> 02:44:40,680 Iron Bank. We did an episode on Lease, 3421 02:44:40,680 --> 02:44:45,280 which we also have a mention of Edric Storm, Laura Rogare, and a 3422 02:44:45,280 --> 02:44:47,320 variety of other characters we talk about. 3423 02:44:47,320 --> 02:44:49,960 We have an episode on the Step Stones that includes mention of 3424 02:44:49,960 --> 02:44:52,880 a lot of these different naval fleets that are relevant now or 3425 02:44:52,880 --> 02:44:56,760 in the past, including Salador, Sun and Orane Waters. 3426 02:44:57,120 --> 02:45:00,680 Rob's Will episode, fairly recent one that we talked a lot 3427 02:45:00,680 --> 02:45:05,040 about Galbert, Glover, Mage, Mormont, Ned's Bones and a lot 3428 02:45:05,040 --> 02:45:08,520 of related topics there, including Harold Reed Blackfish 3429 02:45:08,520 --> 02:45:12,080 episode talks about where he might be now, his role in the 3430 02:45:12,080 --> 02:45:14,640 future of the story. Ditto the clans of the Veil. 3431 02:45:14,760 --> 02:45:21,200 What might be, what might be see from Shagga and Timit and in the 3432 02:45:21,200 --> 02:45:22,960 future? Plus what about their past? 3433 02:45:22,960 --> 02:45:25,040 What happened in the past? What about the the history of 3434 02:45:25,040 --> 02:45:28,600 the clans and the and and versus the end alls and things like 3435 02:45:28,600 --> 02:45:30,360 that. We have an episode on Dragons 3436 02:45:30,360 --> 02:45:32,400 that we did during Fire and Blood that gets into a lot of 3437 02:45:32,400 --> 02:45:35,000 these details and discusses some of these missing Dragons in 3438 02:45:35,000 --> 02:45:37,280 greater context or with different details during their 3439 02:45:37,280 --> 02:45:39,360 lives. And of course, Dance of the 3440 02:45:39,360 --> 02:45:42,320 Dragons scripted series with Radio Westeros, where a lot of 3441 02:45:42,320 --> 02:45:44,760 these characters are mentioned and quite a bit more. 3442 02:45:45,920 --> 02:45:50,720 So you can dial in in a lot of places, stay immersed in 3443 02:45:50,720 --> 02:45:52,960 Westeros past, present and future. 3444 02:45:53,080 --> 02:45:55,320 Have a lot of fun and we appreciate that You do. 3445 02:45:55,320 --> 02:45:57,880 We we appreciate your consuming our podcast. 3446 02:45:58,080 --> 02:46:01,080 We we appreciate your your presence and your support. 3447 02:46:01,600 --> 02:46:05,040 And we we we need it. We we can't exist without it. 3448 02:46:05,480 --> 02:46:07,840 And if you want to support us financially, go to 3449 02:46:07,840 --> 02:46:10,880 patreon.com/history of Westeros. Or you can sign up with a 3450 02:46:10,880 --> 02:46:13,640 Spotify subscription. Same price structure there. 3451 02:46:13,640 --> 02:46:16,240 We can only do the low. We can only do $5 subscribers on 3452 02:46:16,600 --> 02:46:19,840 on Spotify. But we've got bigger options 3453 02:46:19,840 --> 02:46:23,320 with more perks. If you go to Patreon and tell 3454 02:46:23,320 --> 02:46:24,840 your friends, that's one of the best ways. 3455 02:46:24,840 --> 02:46:28,800 That word of mouth is one of the best ways to spread knowledge of 3456 02:46:28,800 --> 02:46:33,720 a show, and we appreciate that you bring new people in. 3457 02:46:33,720 --> 02:46:37,000 For us, we need it. Can't survive as an independent 3458 02:46:37,000 --> 02:46:39,520 show without a lot of support. It is a group effort. 3459 02:46:39,680 --> 02:46:43,480 Oh, we're saying in terms of community, Aziz is going to a 3460 02:46:43,480 --> 02:46:46,160 Little Song of Ice and Fire event the last weekend. 3461 02:46:46,160 --> 02:46:49,360 Of April in Ohio at Deer Creek Lodge. 3462 02:46:49,360 --> 02:46:52,080 Not Ice and Fire Con. He's going to the long Summer 3463 02:46:52,360 --> 02:46:55,720 maiden's day festival. Lots of it's a really small 3464 02:46:55,720 --> 02:46:58,280 little event with lots of friends going and so if you're 3465 02:46:58,280 --> 02:47:03,240 in Ohio whether it's 2024 or not, be keep in mind often at 3466 02:47:03,240 --> 02:47:05,760 the end of April there's an event yeah hit us up if you want 3467 02:47:05,760 --> 02:47:09,840 more info about it we can direct you to that where the where 3468 02:47:09,840 --> 02:47:11,400 there you can ask further questions. 3469 02:47:11,400 --> 02:47:15,000 Or learn more about it and keep track of it in future years. 3470 02:47:15,760 --> 02:47:18,080 Thanks to Nina for her invaluable note. 3471 02:47:18,080 --> 02:47:20,680 She weighed in on quite a few of the characters here and gave 3472 02:47:20,680 --> 02:47:24,880 good takes as regards to narrative purpose and potential 3473 02:47:24,880 --> 02:47:27,440 for characters to reappear and a happy belated. 3474 02:47:27,640 --> 02:47:28,760 To Nina, it was just her birthday. 3475 02:47:29,040 --> 02:47:32,960 That's right. Her birthday was Saturday today. 3476 02:47:32,960 --> 02:47:34,240 Is Sunday so. That's right. 3477 02:47:34,240 --> 02:47:35,280 Yeah. Happy birthday, Nina. 3478 02:47:35,360 --> 02:47:40,360 Also thanks to Joey. Jesse and Bran for the help with 3479 02:47:40,360 --> 02:47:43,240 our intros. Same goes for Michael Klorfeld. 3480 02:47:43,440 --> 02:47:45,760 We've got two different versions of our intro, One by Michael 3481 02:47:45,760 --> 02:47:48,800 Klorfeld, 1 by Bran, the builder who does our House the Dragon 3482 02:47:48,800 --> 02:47:51,120 intro. Joey and Jesse are responsible 3483 02:47:51,120 --> 02:47:56,040 for our music and we yell Again, just goes to show how much this 3484 02:47:56,040 --> 02:48:01,520 is a group effort. For Ashea, I'm Aziz, And we'll 3485 02:48:01,520 --> 02:48:03,280 see you next time you know what to do. 3486 02:48:03,280 --> 02:48:06,800 Until then, Valar, reread us.