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None. 
The 

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last episode we had duty. 
Duty is sacrifice, Lord Kragen 

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told us. 
And this week, that second part,

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the sacrifice, really hits hard.
It's a sacrifice to the God of 

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politics, a ruthless, capricious
and thankless deity, or perhaps 

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we should say the God of power. 
But this episode and that 

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concept also explores what duty 
means. 

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Not all facets of it, mostly 
these extreme versions, the kind

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stretch to the point that it may
no longer resemble duty, but it 

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certainly retains the concept of
sacrifice. 

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Aegon believed it's his duty to 
kill the murder of his child, 

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even if it meant killing 
innocents. 

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Arguably, that's revenge, not 
duty, but again, it's all where 

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you're sitting. 
Otto clearly disagreed with that

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logic. 
And thanks. 

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Keeping the peace is their 
primary duty, even though he's 

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got a lot of blood on his hands 
for what's happened to date. 

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Allison and Helena's duty in 
this episode is to make their 

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very real grief, normally a 
private thing, as public as 

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possible. 
Kristen Cole certainly has a 

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take on duty here, much to the 
dismay of Sir Eric and his 

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twins. 
Sir Eric, Damon and Rainier have

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a bitter argument rooted around 
trust and duty. 

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But there's also the small folk.
What is Hugh Hammer's duty to 

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his wife and daughter? 
What are Allen and Adam's duties

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to each other and to Lord 
Corliss? 

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What of the duty of the wives 
and families of the murdered rat

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catchers? 
What of Mazaria, who has no 

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family or household to be loyal 
to? 

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And just as duty means different
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to sacrifice this is yet another
massive consequence of war, the 

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overturning of society to a 
point where what's right and 

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wrong is no longer clear. 
Or, to use the example of the 

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episode title, even cruelty and 
kindness can be hard to 

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separate. 
The episode title, by the way, 

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is Rainier rather cruel. 
What were simple choices become 

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morally fraught on the strength 
of some amazing acting 

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performances and the excellent 
delivery of a scene immortalized

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in legends since the earliest 
chapters of A Game of Thrones 

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back in 1996. 
Many are calling this one of the

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best episodes of House of the 
Dragon yet. 

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We'll talk about all that and 
more on this episode of History 

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of Westeros Podcast. 
Hello and welcome. 

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Make sure to catch our 
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We summarize all the action as 
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last week it was Blood and 
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This week it's Eric and Eric. 
So we'll talk about them 

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Wednesday at 7:00, and we'll be 
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during this episode since we've 
got so much else to discuss. 

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Saturdays at three, we have our 
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I'd love to hear what you liked 
most or didn't like your 

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favorite performances, Easter 
eggs and callback. 

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We'll start with that ourselves 
with the little with just a 

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little more set up first. 
As I said, the episode's called 

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Rainier of the Cruel. 
It was directed by Claire 

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Kilner. 
It's her 4th episode directing 

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House of the Dragon and she's 
got one more to come this 

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season, episode 5, which we 
don't have a title on yet. 

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She directed season one episode 
4 and 5 S the last two episodes 

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right before the time jump. 
King of the narrow sea and we 

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light the way which the with the
big wedding and everything and 

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then the green council, which 
was episode nine of the split 

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finale. 
So she she got to focus on all 

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Eric and Eric and the chase for 
Aegon and all the politicking at

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the last minute there after the 
death of Viserys. 

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Of course. 
The episode was written by Ryan 

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Condell and Sarah Hess and was a
nice 69 minutes long. 

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Sean, what did you think of the 
episode overall? 

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I loved it. 
I I loved the last episode too. 

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To be clear, I think I might 
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think it would be splitting 
hairs to try to put one over the

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other. 
I think this one, at least it 

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stood out to me more. 
A few sort of cinematic moments.

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I feel like there was more 
moments where the camera kind of

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lingered on an image or a face 
without any dialogue or action. 

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And I, I love that kind of 
thing. 

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It gives you as an audience 
member to kind of ponder what's 

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happened and what's going to 
happen. 

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Think about what the character's
going through. 

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It's a part of filmmaking, you 
know, cinematography and imagery

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and stuff. 
I, I like it when it gets 

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featured more so than obviously,
I like dialogue too. 

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But a picture says 1000 words. 
You know, if I could say one 

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quick thing, if we're not going 
to focus as much as Eric and 

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Eric on this, I just had a a 
quick thought that we could 

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probably elaborate on Wednesday 
that early on, like last season,

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I was kind of frustrated. 
Like, why would they have twins 

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with similar names? 
There's so many parts about 

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this. 
It seems so unusual, so 

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troubling from a like trendy. 
There's already a lot of bunch 

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of Aegons, a lot of similar 
names and characters and 

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everything to keep up with, and 
they're just making it more 

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difficult. 
But their Gerard thing is still 

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a little unjustifiable to me. 
However, the twins themselves 

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are much more justifiable, One 
for this plot point of one being

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able to come in as disguised as 
the other, right? 

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But furthermore, and maybe even 
making the names more 

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justifiable too, I think they 
are sort of a microcosm of the 

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whole thing that's going on 
here. 

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Right. 
Absolutely. 

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From a distance, they look the 
same. 

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They're both have torn 
loyalties. 

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They're parts of sides that have
good and bad parts. 

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They're fighting to the depth 
over it. 

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They're, you know, all these 
things I'm saying about them you

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could say about the greens and 
the blacks. 

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Does that make sense? 
Absolutely. 

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Oh yeah, absolutely. 
A lot. 

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For the whole dilemma. 
We've made similar points 

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before. 
I'm glad you caught that on your

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own 'cause I don't think you've 
ever heard me say that. 

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But absolutely, I, I agree with 
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And it's a, it's a very fitting 
metaphor. 

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It it it really does encapsulate
a lot about the Dance of the 

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Dragons by itself. 
Great take. 

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What about you Cher? 
What did you think of the 

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episode overall? 
Well, I love this one, but it 

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was also extra long so there was
just more to love. 

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So I'm going to be biased 
probably throughout the season 

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towards the longest of the 
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But also this was a pretty 
Helena centric episode and I'm 

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fairly partial to Helena and I 
thought they really gave her a 

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chance to shine here. 
So I, I loved it and I've been 

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waiting for Eric and Eric for 
God, a long time, a very, very 

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long time to see this very 
tragic brother versus brother 

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fight. 
And I'm not one for for fights 

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exactly, but it was, it had me 
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It was, it was really dramatic. 
I loved it. 

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Right there with y'all. 
I thought it was an amazing 

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episode. 
In terms of acting, it might be 

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the strongest episode of the 
entire series so far, which is 

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only to be fair, only 12 
episodes but still that's back. 

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Thing has been really good 
throughout so that this is 

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really saying something. 
I. 

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I had a hard time picking. 
We did our usual Facebook group 

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poll and last I checked Rainiera
and Otto and Aegon were doing 

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the best, which is Tom Glencarny
as Aegon, Emma Darcy as 

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Rainiera, and of course Reese 
Efons as Otto. 

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And hard to disagree with that 
You might not have picked them 

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specifically, but you can see 
why someone else might. 

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Damon and Rainier's conflict was
really strong. 

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I thought it was a very 
realistic argument, the way they

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moved around and kind of stalk 
back and forth and the the just 

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the barely contained rage and 
frustration and just trying to 

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say things really quickly. 
Yeah, very realistic. 

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So let's start with the red key 
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The action actually stays here 
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That's very unusual for any show
but this show or Game of Thrones

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in general, because it's, it's 
usually pretty quick to shift 

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the action to kind of keep you 
back footed with just so much 

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happening. 
It's, it's kind of a quality of 

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of this show, but even more so. 
Game of Thrones did that 

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because, well, there are a lot 
more locations to go to. 

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That's one reason. 
That was one other thing I was 

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thinking a lot about this 
episode is that I don't know how

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parallels are a little easier to
draw, maybe because there's sort

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of basically just two sides, 
right? 

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And Game of Thrones, you're 
jumping back and forth between, 

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I don't know, at least four or 
five different storylines and 

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characters. 
But in this one, it's pretty 

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much just two. 
And so it's a little easier 

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sometimes to compare and 
contrast things. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
And it's also easier to see how 

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they connect. 
Like early on in A Game of 

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Thrones, you're like, well, how 
is Arya and Essos connecting to 

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anything? 
You know, you know, it's going 

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to, but it's not necessarily 
easy to connect that like right 

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now you can see, well, I don't 
know exactly know what's going 

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on with Alan and Adam, but 
connected to Lord Carly's and 

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he's connected to the black. 
So it's like that's at least 

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somewhat straightforward. 
Obviously things can change, but

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it's not terribly confusing in 
that regard. 

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So with the beginning of the 
episode, they used this other 

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technique that we saw mostly 
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season six, episode 10 of Game 
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Winter. 
The one with that haunting piano

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music all the way through it. 
It was a really different way of

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presenting the music where it 
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They do the same thing here 
during the commotion and then it

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quickly changes back to sort of 
a normal musics in the 

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background dialogue in the 
front, but it's done very 

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precisely. 
The music hits right when Aegon 

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strikes the castle. 
It the the music stops being 

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forefront and drops to the back 
as well. 

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They repeat this technique 
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there's a drummer out front and 
the drummer is in tune with the 

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banging that we're seeing and 
with the the panic in Helena's 

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eyes that she's having a bit of 
a panic attack there. 

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So it's really, well, the music 
was really well infused in this 

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episode. 
And of course, it's always just 

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excellently made surrama Jawadi.
But you know, they just a good 

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job of placing it. 
So during this chaotic, 

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dreamlike sequence that's of 
course happening probably just 

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an hour or two after the murder 
at most, There's people being 

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rounded up, A dog is being given
a cloth, the gates are closed. 

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Aymond returns to find the 
secret door open and the coins 

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missing. 
Great shot of the mural behind 

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him in blue, reminding of 
reminding us of his sapphire 

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eye. 
Neat. 

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You can't see the sapphire eye, 
but you got the blue reflection.

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That's pretty cool. 
Great shot of him finding one of

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the coins covering his eye as 
well. 

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I particularly love this one. 
It's very striking and kind of 

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reminds you of the the Greek 
myths of having putting the 

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coins over your eyes when you're
dead. 

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Or he's looking at the sigil of 
their own house. 

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Here the golden dragon is the 
sigil Thrones. 

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Too. 
Yeah, true, true. 

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They well, they weren't coins, 
they were like painted stones, 

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but it's a similar thing. 
It's very similar. 

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I certainly thought of that when
the thing with with John Aaron, 

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which I think you're referring 
to, is the first thing I thought

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of too They. 
Did with Tyron also right? 

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Oh, yeah, I guess you're right. 
Then it was Tywin. 

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Yeah, the little painted stones,
the I stones. 

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Yeah, that's pretty neat. 
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from the Greek coin thing. 
And here we go with with a more 

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direct reference. 
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in a sense, like the second Doom
of Valyria. 

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He's destroying Valyria all over
again. 

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Don't worry, folks. 
This was a model of the model. 

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They didn't destroy the original
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taken off set, and I don't know 
who owns it now, but it wasn't 

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just dumped in the trash can or 
else. 

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It'll be part of a tour or 
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it and you know, they have the 
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stuff. 
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was all scanned, it was all they
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again. 
So I, I there's if there's not 

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yet, there probably will be 
multiple copies of it. 

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Yeah, that's how they made the 
one to get smashed. 

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Yeah, exactly. 
So Red Ned does what a good 

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friend should do. 
He closes the door while his 

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friend is deep in enraged grief.
I got his shouting things. 

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He shouts, I declare war, he 
shouts traitors and villains, 

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and he shouts fire from the sky,
which I don't quite know what he

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means by that. 
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he intends to get his revenge, 
get on his dragon? 

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That's kind of what I thought, 
but it was a little unusual and 

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I thought it was worth 
mentioning. 

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My guess is it in the in the 
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things and they picked out five 
or ten snippets to stick in 

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there. 
That's possible, although they 

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did say it was only one take 
'cause they didn't have multiple

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models for him to smash. 
So good job Tom Glencarny doing 

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it so well on that, you know, 
limited filming opportunity. 

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But the, the, the phrase he says
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am the king. 
And that's a call back to Tywin 

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Lannister telling Joffrey, any 
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is no true king at all. 
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as secure as he had been told. 
And we have a similar parallel 

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follow up when Otto confronts 
Aegon about a couple of 

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different things. 
And the way he talks to him in 

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the council scene, which we'll 
get to next, Aegon complaints 

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about being seen as weak. 
And I was like, you're already 

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seen as weak. 
And Otto, a hasty coronation, a 

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dragon escaping the pit. 
The people see an omen. 

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Yeah, he's not wrong. 
So he, Otto is is he's it's 

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tough, but he's not wrong. 
He's saying truth. 

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He's not trying to water down 
the facts here, even if people 

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don't like hearing it. 
A couple of points I want to 

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make in the subtitles. 
In the very opening, when you 

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were pointing out how the music 
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the subtitles say Muffled Chaos.
The. 

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Sound of the commotion and the 
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have several thoughts here, but 
one I want to point out they're 

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using the heck out of these sets
that they built and I'm so glad 

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I really appreciate the imagery 
we get of the the courtyard and 

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the castle and everything. 
But also, that muffled chaos 

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thing kind of reminds me of AI 
Don't know a theme, a motif 

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maybe of this episode or the 
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Because in the same way that 
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having his little temper 
tantrum, Otto later closes the 

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door when he's yelling at Aegon 
and Kristen Cole. 

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And in general, they're trying 
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first. 
Much like Viserys dying, they 

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want to keep control over the 
PR, right? 

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Don't let everyone know muffled 
chaos is something crazy. 

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The kid just got killed. 
But don't let this news get out.

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Aegon has this idea that he 
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about it. 
It shows that we're weak. 

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Aldo wants to use it to his 
vantage, but I still think 

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there's a little bit of a theme 
here of like control being lost 

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and the reality that trying to 
be kept behind closed doors. 

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Sure. 
Yeah, it does make sense. 

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Yeah. 
And so Aegon kind of lays into 

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everybody and says first, you 
know, where was Lord Commander 

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of my Kingsguard? 
Cole says a bed, which 

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technically true, it was just 
his mother's bed. 

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So yeah, I mean, he wasn't 
lying. 

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More on that later because we 
have a follow up conversation 

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about the security here, but 
Larry's enters to tell them 

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they've caught blood just naming
him a gold cloak. 

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Again, we don't know what this 
guy's name is and saying he had 

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the prince's head in the sack. 
So it's a pretty literally 

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caught red handed there. 
That's basically straight from 

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the book, though. 
In the book, Allison dishes out 

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the torture instead of Aegon and
it's a lot worse. 

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It's drawn out over almost two 
weeks. 

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Can I say another little snippet
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Lars comes in in the midst of 
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the council room, and he finally
interjects when Aegon turns 

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negative energy towards Allison.
Yeah, that's a good. 

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Point that, but like he's kind 
of letting it play out till 

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Allison gets a target on 
herself. 

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He's like, oh, by the way, we 
got the bad guy and then that 

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kind of he. 
Was like letting letting the 

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rage fly around until he found 
the right moment to step in. 

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That's a good point. 
Yeah he didn't say something. 

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You're right that he walked in 
and didn't say something right 

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away. 
He waited. 

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That's that's a good good catch.
So Aegon is perplexed that they 

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could be thinking of anyone but 
Rainier. 

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He thinks she's laughing at him 
and this goes to show he's not 

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thinking very clearly and maybe 
isn't a clear headed guy in the 

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1st place, but he's in full rage
mode. 

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Otto Knows better. 
Otto Knows that Rainiera isn't a

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baby killer. 
This isn't something she would 

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do. 
Damon on the other hand, sure he

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would do this. 
But Otto says it doesn't matter.

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He's like, yeah, on one hand it 
does in case they're still 

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coming after us, like we have to
worry about current security 

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still. 
On the other hand, we're going 

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to blame this on Rainiera no 
matter what. 

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It's too juicy a political 
opportunity to to let go it it. 

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I've used this example a few 
times. 

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It calls back the a key moment 
in the show The Wire, where Slim

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Charles confronts his boss and 
says, hey, we, they killed one 

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of our guys, let's go get them. 
And he's like, it wasn't, wasn't

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them. 
And he's like, what? 

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Well, don't tell our guys that 
our gang is all fired up to go 

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attack our rivals. 
Don't let them know that it was 

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someone else, 'cause they're 
ready to go. 

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They're ready to die for you 
right now. 

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They're ready to go, like risk 
their lives. 

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And this is a rare opportunity 
to let's use it. 

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Same thing here. 
It doesn't have to be true. 

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It's so politically valuable, he
says. 

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I will not let you Harris die in
vain. 

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And of course, later, it's part 
of why Otto gets so mad later 

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that that this plan gets, which 
is such a difficult thing to do,

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just gets thrown in the trash 
after the fact. 

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Like they go through all the 
effort to do it and then Aegon 

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undermines it. 
I think Ryan Condell in the 

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inside the episode bit he said 
something he he was quoting 

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someone else. 
I don't even know who quite to 

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attribute the quote to. 
But never let a crisis go to 

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waste. 
Yeah. 

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And, and, and it's also worth 
noting, it's extra frustrating 

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because it's a difficult pitch 
for Otto to make on on a few 

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levels. 
Cause one, I believe at least 

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that he he's not a robot. 
He is emotionally disturbed by 

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this himself, you know, maybe 
some fear for his life, you 

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know, remorse for his daughter 
and the the boy himself that was

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killed. 
But he has this sort of big 

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picture sense, this 
responsibility, this leadership.

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And he's like, you know, this is
sad, it's awful. 

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But also we have to make it 
through this too. 

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We have to keep making decisions
and go through our day and our 

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the war is on, etcetera. 
So what do we do now? 

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You know, and Aegon and Allison 
and many of the other people 

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involved, they are not at that 
point yet, whether in their 

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general maturity or their grief 
at the moment. 

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And so this is a tough sell for 
him to make. 

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And Allison is able to kind of 
side with him and and reign 

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Aegon in. 
But Allison and Helena 

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themselves have to suffer extra.
They have to be put on parade 

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for this grief, which makes it 
extra frustrating for Aegon to 

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kind of ruin the whole thing so.
Yes, yeah, very much. 

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Otto wears Aegon down. 
You're right that at first even 

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Allison is kind of against it. 
He says she says father like 

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when he makes a suggestion, but 
he just doesn't stop. 

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He's relentless. 
He's like, look, the political 

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value's too much. 
Like this could save our lives 

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doing this now. 
This could be the difference 

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between us all dying or not. 
So we definitely can't throw it 

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away. 
This is what he means when he 

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says Jeharis shouldn't die in 
vain. 

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And Allison was like, yeah, I 
guess, you know, he sets it on a

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difficult course, but the hand 
is right. 

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Kind of says it gently. 
And and it's Tom Glenn Carney's 

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acting so great. 
He goes from the rage to 

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breaking down over it being 
realized, kind of realizing 

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they're right. 
He doesn't say it, but he stops 

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arguing. 
He's just like, yeah, all right,

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fine. 
It's a heartbreaking display of 

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how politics dehumanizes people.
The strategic value of this 

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procession is horrible, But the 
Aegon, the father can't bear 

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this. 
But Aegon the King, it's it's 

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good advice, right. 
And that's why the and that's 

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what you're referring to. 
Sean Otto's already in Hand of 

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the King mode. 
The rest of them are still in 

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family mode. 
They're still, well, maybe not, 

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you know, or while, and Jasper 
Iron Rod, the guys who aren't 

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part of the family, but they 
recognize that that grief is, is

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present in the room with these 
people who are having to be two 

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things at once when those two 
things are at odds. 

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Being a king and being a father 
are often at odds here in 

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particular, you know, and, and 
the same thing with Ellison 

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being a mother and being the 
queen Dowager. 

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She's like, I don't want to make
my daughter go do that, but I'm 

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gonna, you know, it's the same 
thing comes back to duty. 

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That's exactly what Ellison 
says. 

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Elena's like, I don't want to do
it. 

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And, and she has to really 
explain it 'cause she asks all 

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the questions, like, why? 
Why I don't want to. 

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And then just straight up why, 
Why do we have to do it? 

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Why do we have to pretend? 
Why do we do it? 

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And it's like the, the most 
cutting questions. 

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And Allison answers, doesn't 
hesitate. 

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She's like, we have a duty to 
the realm. 

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We have to do this, we do that. 
Like she has her answers ready. 

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And it's, yeah, it's really sad,
really dehumanizing. 

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And just goes to show some of 
the same things you mentioned 

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with Eric and Eric and how this 
all really encapsulates the 

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horrors of of civil war, of a 
family turning on itself and 

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when the realm is brought along 
for the ride. 

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I will say though, this is 
another moment to draw a 

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parallel because compare this 
fallout, the the Greens response

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or whatever to the boy being 
killed to the Blacks. 

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Renera gets her grief, if you 
will, her way, right. 

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Luke is dead. 
She flies off. 

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She's not in a council meeting. 
She's not making plans. 

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She's trying to find evidence of
her son's body. 

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She's trying to, like, accept 
the reality of it, whatever it 

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is. 
It's it's a different response. 

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Like, you know, Alison and 
Helena and his other character, 

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they don't really get the chance
to grieve that Ranira did. 

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But it was sort of at the 
sacrifice of strategy, right? 

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In the meantime, Damon's like 
jumping out of his skin trying 

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to look, we got to do something 
now. 

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We got to act. 
And knowing nothing's happening.

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And it's possible they could 
have made a key move. 

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They could have like, sent a 
bunch of Ravens out talking 

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about how their boy was unjustly
killed by these upstart greens. 

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00:23:14,120 --> 00:23:16,840
But none of that happened. 
They didn't they didn't 

449
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,360
capitalize on the crisis. 
The Greens are, yeah, Damon is 

450
00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:21,600
not Otto, even though there's a 
lot of parallels between them in

451
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,800
this episode of like what 
happens to them storyline wise 

452
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,080
and how they have a falling out 
a bit with their with their 

453
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,440
respective leadership. 
But yeah, that's one thing they 

454
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,040
didn't have in common. 
They're basically in an 

455
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,080
identical position. 
Like there is no official hand 

456
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,000
to the king, an official hand to
the queen right now. 

457
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,400
But Damon is kind of effectively
in that role. 

458
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,760
Maybe that'll change now that 
he's left as of this episode. 

459
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:45,600
But to this point, clearly 
that's his role and he was more 

460
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,760
like an egg on or an Amon, just 
like I want to get them. 

461
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,800
You know, he wasn't thinking of 
the big picture. 

462
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:56,920
So in fact, he's he, you know, 
very much hurt the big picture. 

463
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,880
He did the opposite of look at 
the big picture. 

464
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:03,400
He hurt them badly in in terms 
of that, which we'll get to a 

465
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,920
little bit later. 
Back to Helena here. 

466
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:12,000
She hands the shroud for Jerry's
to her mother and we wonder if 

467
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,800
she knew that was coming or if 
this even was meant to be a 

468
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,920
burial shroud ahead of time. 
But she couldn't have just made 

469
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,360
it all of a sudden like this is 
a long term project. 

470
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,760
I think that is what she was 
stitching and that oh. 

471
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:22,680
Yeah, she was. 
When? 

472
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,040
She was scared of the. 
Rat No, I know that. 

473
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,280
I'm saying it does. 
What did she know it was a 

474
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,320
burial shroud at the time? 
That that's that's what I'm not 

475
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:29,640
clear about. 
It right? 

476
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,440
She might not have realized why 
she was stitching it, just that 

477
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:34,600
you had this vision of it I 
guess. 

478
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,520
Yeah, yeah. 
So it's, it's unclear, but 

479
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:42,160
during the actual procession, as
I briefly mentioned before, she 

480
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:43,440
has what appears to be a panic 
attack. 

481
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,800
And they clarify in the BTS that
is what she's having. 

482
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,800
It's a it's a panic attack and 
it's really well done. 

483
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,760
Like the acting is extremely 
authentic and she can really 

484
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,640
feel her panic and it's got that
drums going. 

485
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:55,920
The drums really add to that 
tension. 

486
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,120
That was that was done to add to
the scene. 

487
00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:01,560
They knew the drums would make 
the tension be greater. 

488
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,800
You have Allison kind of helping
hold her knee and she's just. 

489
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:06,320
I don't. 
I don't. 

490
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,360
Even warming and. 
Necessarily when she's holding 

491
00:25:08,360 --> 00:25:11,000
her knee, that's Allison's fear 
and anxiety that we see. 

492
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,400
Allison is always like clenching
and like has all that stuff. 

493
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,920
I think that shows like, she's 
like, I don't know, I, I don't 

494
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,840
necessarily think that Helena is
comforted by that squeeze on her

495
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,240
leg. 
Oh, I agree. 

496
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:22,680
I don't think it did comfort 
her. 

497
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,120
I think that may be what she was
trying to do. 

498
00:25:24,120 --> 00:25:25,800
But it was really, I think 
you're right, it was projecting.

499
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,000
I think Allison was maybe doing 
it more for herself. 

500
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,160
Olivia Cook, by the way, very 
funny. 

501
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,000
To lighten the mood of the 
scene. 

502
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:36,040
She talks in the butts about how
quickly FIA Saban, that's Helena

503
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:40,960
of course, would go from this 
incredible tragic acting, 

504
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,680
playing this role so well to 
just in between scenes just like

505
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,360
bouncing happily because she's 
just like having a good time 

506
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,880
sitting on this carriage, just 
being driven around with her 

507
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,520
friend Olivia Cook, you know, 
just hanging out because of 

508
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,200
course they're not that far 
apart in age. 

509
00:25:56,360 --> 00:25:59,600
They don't have mother daughter 
type gap in real life in age 

510
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,640
wise there. 
So one thing we expected to talk

511
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,920
about today that we will have to
talk about some other time 

512
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,880
whenever it actually happens 
because it didn't happen is this

513
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,240
riot. 
So there was no riot 

514
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,040
accompanying this funeral. 
We they they they fooled us in 

515
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,800
the trailer there there was 
scenes that made it look like 

516
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,080
there's a riot, which those 
scenes were real. 

517
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,840
They're really going to happen. 
They just aren't part of this. 

518
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,720
We we thought it was one all big
scene, but apparently there's 

519
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:22,600
more to come. 
So it's. 

520
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,440
Two different. 
We'll come back to that process.

521
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,160
Oh yeah, that we could have 
figured it out then and before, 

522
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,040
but apparently we just it just 
looked similar and we didn't put

523
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,720
give further thought to it. 
Yeah, I didn't think to consider

524
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,760
the the dresses because I also 
was expecting that those riot 

525
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,240
scenes from the trailers to pop 
up here and they didn't. 

526
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,600
And it one thing that made me do
is kind of re evaluate what was 

527
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,160
happening here. 
Part of it just showing the 

528
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,720
grief and the struggle. 
But I, I, I thought for a minute

529
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,360
about why did they bother having
that wheel get stuck and having 

530
00:26:57,360 --> 00:27:00,280
them have the crowd kind of 
close in and Helena have her 

531
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,680
little panic attack. 
I can kind of imagine especially

532
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,600
an hour, an episode pushing over
an hour. 

533
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,840
They could have trimmed a minute
off that, I think, and still got

534
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,200
the gist of it across. 
But I wonder if it was symbolic 

535
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,520
or foreshadowing of this isn't 
going to go smoothly. 

536
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:17,800
It's not going to go how you 
think. 

537
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,440
There's going to be a hang up, 
you know? 

538
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,960
Yeah, or next next time maybe 
because it didn't like that's 

539
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,800
what I thought when the wheel 
got stuck, that's what I was. 

540
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,280
I was like, oh, maybe this is 
it. 

541
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,640
And but yeah, of course, of 
course not. 

542
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,000
But I think that was just to to 
heighten Helena's 

543
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,800
uncomfortability, how she was 
feeling. 

544
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,520
It was just to to really make 
you feel her panic attack. 

545
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,240
It does that too, but I think 
it's showing that there's, 

546
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:43,040
there's going to be a, a, a 
pothole in Otto's plan that that

547
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,840
he's going to quite get the 
support that he's hoping. 

548
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:50,080
For OK, OK, I like that the 
metaphorical hole in the hole in

549
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,040
the road there is. 
Yeah, it's not so smooth after 

550
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,080
all. 
OK, so there's a lot of things 

551
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,160
the crowd shout and that the 
procession leader shout. 

552
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,480
Well, and some of these are are 
interesting. 

553
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,520
Behold the works of Rainier 
Targaryen, the filer of the 

554
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,680
innocent. 
Now in the subtitles you see 

555
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,520
Kingslayer, but we are pretty 
darn sure it should be kinslayer

556
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,960
cause well for one thing, Jairus
is the king. 

557
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,080
But this does make Rainier a 
kinslayer, and you would think 

558
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,960
they would say that so. 
It doesn't make Rainier a 

559
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,800
kinslayer, to be clear. 
No, it does. 

560
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,640
It does because they're blaming 
it on her. 

561
00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:25,040
Well, that's the point. 
Well, yeah, that's. 

562
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:26,560
But that's the point. 
Yeah, that's that's what that's 

563
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,160
the point I'm trying to make. 
They're all just trying to make 

564
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:29,280
people believe these things 
about Rainier. 

565
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,000
She's also not monstrous or 
cruel, but which is what's said 

566
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,640
here. 
So Rainier the Monstrous, of 

567
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,120
course, is maybe a reference to 
Meili's the Monstrous. 

568
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,040
And Rainier the Cruel, of 
course, is not only the 

569
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,840
reference to the title of the 
episode, but it's reference to 

570
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,440
Megor. 
They're trying to make her seem 

571
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,600
like Megor, which does happen in
the book. 

572
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,280
It's the the phrase I think is 
Megor with teats rather than 

573
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,760
calling her Rainier the Cruel. 
But same difference. 

574
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,440
Just use the first part of the 
word sort of the second. 

575
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,080
Yeah, it's, it's pretty much the
exact same thing. 

576
00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:00,080
Now, when Helena returns from 
the procession, she's going up 

577
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,000
the stairs with her handmaids as
Aegon is coming down with his 

578
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,520
guards. 
And they just kind of look at 

579
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,080
each other. 
And then Aegon just kind of 

580
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,760
passes her. 
Now, we interpreted this as they

581
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:11,960
just didn't know what to say to 
each other. 

582
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:16,280
They're not a very close couple,
their brother and sister not, 

583
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,800
you know, they are king and 
queen, but they aren't that 

584
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,800
intimate, right? 
They've had relations in order 

585
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,720
to have kids and don't spend 
much time together other than 

586
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,120
that. 
But in the BTS, Tom Glencarny 

587
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,040
says they shared a moment here 
that there was a lot unspoken. 

588
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,720
I don't know that that came off.
But I I'm glad to hear it. 

589
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,080
And it does add a little more to
the scene, although the scene 

590
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,680
had plenty going without that. 
What do you think, Sean? 

591
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:44,600
I, I had that same confusion 
that I felt like he was cold to 

592
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,200
her, drafted, unsympathetic 
maybe, you know, all kinds of 

593
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:49,480
things that are basically 
negative. 

594
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,320
But he said that she's the only 
other person that maybe really 

595
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,640
knows or the closest to knowing 
how he really feels. 

596
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:03,680
Now even that I think is unfair 
at best because it's I'm trying 

597
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,960
to be sympathetic, but the fact 
is he didn't give a crap about 

598
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,960
his son until two weeks ago, 
right? 

599
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,200
Like he is not this good dad. 
He this is a lot of this, I 

600
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:17,320
think is for show. 
This is his his ego and a power 

601
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,920
trip. 
It's not like he's been fawning 

602
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,600
over his kids this whole time 
and can't believe his son is 

603
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:24,960
dead now. 
He couldn't, he couldn't even 

604
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,800
tell his son and his daughter 
apart, you know? 

605
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,000
So no, they're twins, I guess. 
But you, you see what I'm 

606
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,280
saying? 
I feel like that. 

607
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,240
That part doesn't bother me. 
Even Jamie and Cersei say that 

608
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:35,880
their mother and father couldn't
tell them apart. 

609
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,440
Yeah. 
But maybe I'm pushing it with 

610
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,000
that point. 
But but the idea is I think that

611
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,160
much like Damon, this is his 
excuse for violence. 

612
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,800
Now that these and and it's and 
it's a shame. 

613
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,200
It's a point I wanted to make 
earlier because I feel like we 

614
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,120
started to see some growth from 
him. 

615
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,880
We started to see him maybe 
shedding some of his 

616
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,880
irresponsibility, taking on the 
role of leader, learning from 

617
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:01,880
Otto and Lars. 
It seemed like there might be 

618
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,080
some hope for him as a person or
a king. 

619
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,160
And now that is gone. 
I think now just anger and 

620
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:09,920
vengeance are just going to take
over. 

621
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:16,000
And it kind of like Damon using 
Rainier's phrase, bring me Amon,

622
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,720
be like, OK, now I can go do 
whatever violent thing I want. 

623
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,840
Aegon's son being dead is now an
excuse for him to like, push 

624
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,480
forward with the war, to assert 
his power, to put people, 

625
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:26,880
etcetera etcetera. 
Absolutely. 

626
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,400
Yeah, Well said. 
I was saying I don't disagree 

627
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,240
with any of what either of you 
thought about that scene or I've

628
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,360
seen other people think that and
I think it was my first 

629
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,800
impression. 
But on rewatching it and looking

630
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,440
at kind of the nuances in 
Aegon's expression, I think it 

631
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,600
really does reflect the shared 
tragedy that they've shared and 

632
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,880
the fact that he doesn't know 
how to address this with her. 

633
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,920
He feels that he's failed and 
he's seen his weak. 

634
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,160
He feels the steep shame and 
sadness. 

635
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:56,880
He does. 
I think he really does feel that

636
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,600
and he can't bridge the, the gap
between them and I, I so I see 

637
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,800
what Tom Glencarney was saying 
about this being a moment of 

638
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,560
connect to them or like they see
one another. 

639
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,200
I think Helena does see that he 
is tortured by this in that 

640
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,360
moment, you know, like I think 
she sees that, but it is no real

641
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,760
help to her. 
And I also would like to point 

642
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,000
out that he has his multiple 
Kingsguard Knights behind him as

643
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,960
he walks around, right? 
Helena has two handmaidens. 

644
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,840
We still don't seem to value the
Queen's life enough to give her 

645
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,720
an actual guard. 
And I don't know. 

646
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,560
Well, hey, they're like, they 
had their chance to kill her and

647
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:33,720
they didn't, so we don't need to
guard her. 

648
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:38,480
They clearly don't care, no. 
I do see that other side, by the

649
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:39,800
way. 
But what he and what you were 

650
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,600
saying to Shaya, especially 
given, like I said, the 

651
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:49,040
parallels that they have, 
because we see how Ranira treats

652
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:54,160
Jace, like she embraces him 
right when he comes back and his

653
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,600
brother's dead and they're 
struggling and it's like a 

654
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,880
sentimental moment where they 
can share this sadness. 

655
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,360
But here, Aegon and Helena don't
know how to do it. 

656
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,280
And later on, Allison and Aegon 
don't know how to do it either. 

657
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,640
When she walks and he's crying, 
she just goes back out. 

658
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,880
They just don't have a proper 
familial bond or or. 

659
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,280
They don't know how to show 
affection. 

660
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,040
Yeah, it's a family that doesn't
know how to show affection. 

661
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:17,880
It's been a consistent pattern 
with them. 

662
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,360
It's it's very, this is 
something that people identify 

663
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,240
with the Greens very early on 
that they dislike. 

664
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,280
They notice it right away. 
They don't like it. 

665
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,120
The Greens remind a lot of 
people of a real world 

666
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,440
conservative religious family 
that's got a lot of money, but 

667
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:32,760
not a lot of love for each 
other. 

668
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,160
They don't. 
They look to politics and image 

669
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:39,080
and power before they take care 
of each other and they don't 

670
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:40,680
know how to be affectionate. 
They don't know how to love each

671
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,320
other. 
And not that the Blacks are a 

672
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,240
whole lot better in that regard,
but you do see them at least 

673
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,160
able to give each other basic 
comfort sometimes here. 

674
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,560
You're right. 
It's it's very, very stark how 

675
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,840
little they're able to comfort 
each other or even know how to. 

676
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,600
That's the thing I think you, 
you're right, you really touched

677
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,360
on is they don't even know how 
to because they didn't receive 

678
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,560
that kind of love growing up. 
They weren't comforted properly 

679
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,040
when they were children. 
Aegon obviously was not raised 

680
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,480
well, he was ignored by his 
family. 

681
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:13,159
Helena as well, and maybe even 
more so, probably even more so. 

682
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:15,440
It's just the consequences are 
maybe larger for the realm for 

683
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,159
not raising Aegon properly 
because he's the king, but still

684
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:19,520
the point stands for both of 
them. 

685
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,199
I don't think Elena was ignored 
by Allison particularly anyway 

686
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:25,239
because we've got a couple 
scenes with her kind of looking 

687
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,639
over her. 
But Aegon, I think was, and 

688
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:30,840
there's I'm sure none of the 
other men in the family were 

689
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,560
paying any attention to Helena. 
Well, I think Allison checked 

690
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,880
out with Aegon. 
I think after Aegon raped that 

691
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:41,159
girl, raped Deanna. 
I think Allison has struggled to

692
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,040
face the monster that she 
birthed. 

693
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:49,360
I, I think she can't face the 
the terrible thing that he did 

694
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,800
and will continue to do. 
And she knows she loves him 

695
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,400
still, but she can't show it. 
She can't hurt herself more over

696
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:56,199
it. 
I don't know. 

697
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,400
It's really sad. 
I agree with that, though. 

698
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,960
I'd say there was coldness even 
before that, you know, like, 

699
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,920
even when he was younger. 
She just, again, I just don't 

700
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,240
think she, like her mother died 
young. 

701
00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:07,400
So this is probably a big part 
of why she has this lack of 

702
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,560
affection for her children, that
she wasn't treated 

703
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,360
affectionately. 
It just goes on and on, back and

704
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:12,280
back and forth. 
Yeah. 

705
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,960
Her father pushed her into a 
marriage with a man twice her 

706
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,440
age when she was just a 
teenager. 

707
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,720
Like she when was she supposed 
to get any kind of emotional 

708
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,240
relationship experience, you 
know? 

709
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:25,480
Right. 
And that's why she's taking 

710
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,040
anything she can get, AKA 
Kristen Cole. 

711
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,520
Same with him. 
He's also got no one else. 

712
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,040
I mean, that's the life of a 
Kingsguard, right? 

713
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:33,520
They don't have those 
relationships. 

714
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,720
They're not supposed to. 
And that's, you know, a hard 

715
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:40,640
life for them. 
But this is realistic. 

716
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,280
It's human. 
That's why I don't have a 

717
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,800
problem with Alice at Cole being
added as a thing. 

718
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,400
It just makes so much sense. 
They're good looking, they're 

719
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,600
lonely, they're around each 
other all the time, They're 

720
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,560
grieving. 
They have like complicated views

721
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:57,280
on shame and and they're both 
have strange views on religion. 

722
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,680
Like Allison thinks the gods are
punishing them. 

723
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,600
That's that's from one 
perspective, it's very sad. 

724
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:03,680
Another. 
It's a little bit arrogant to 

725
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,160
think that the gods would single
you out. 

726
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,320
Like those people were punished 
more than you, you know? 

727
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,000
But this is how she's taught to 
think. 

728
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,480
And she thinks it's real. 
It's not everyone can be Euron. 

729
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,720
Not everyone can go through 
experiments to prove that gods 

730
00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:21,600
don't exist. 
Like, you know what? 

731
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,560
I'm gonna go, I'm gonna, 
Kinsley, I'm gonna do all these 

732
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,840
things that people say you can't
do, and then I'm gonna see that 

733
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,000
nothing happened and I'm then 
I'm gonna have confidence that 

734
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,600
gods aren't real. 
Allison has not been through 

735
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,120
anything like that. 
All she has is she's lived 

736
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,840
around the trappings of the 
seven and the faith all her 

737
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,000
life. 
She goes light candles at the 

738
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,640
Sept like a good person of her 
culture should do or is taught 

739
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,200
to do and to honor her ancestors
and all that. 

740
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,320
But yeah, and she's worried on 
that side from Krista Cole, from

741
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,640
her lover, she says, or have you
told anyone? 

742
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:53,800
And he's like, what do you take 
me for? 

743
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,960
And he says, a a man who who 
seeks absolution. 

744
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,320
And she's right to worry. 
Remember how quickly he 

745
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,040
confessed to Rainier, the 
Rainier affair back in season 

746
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,480
one? 
He didn't need any prodding. 

747
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,680
Like she wasn't even at member. 
She wasn't even asking him about

748
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,200
that. 
And he confessed to it anyway. 

749
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:08,840
He, she was asking about 
something else. 

750
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:10,160
And he's like, yeah, I slept 
with her. 

751
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,680
And she's like, wait, what? 
So it's like. 

752
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,480
So Allison has good reason to 
think coal might spill the beans

753
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,120
here. 
Well, she's also projecting here

754
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,680
because we then see her with 
Otto and look, guess what? 

755
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,320
She's the one who's close to 
spilling the bean. 

756
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,440
That's why she asks. 
That's so true. 

757
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,840
I was going. 
To say it's a perfect example of

758
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,280
someone expecting others to do 
what they would do. 

759
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,120
She's looking for absolution. 
Yeah, she wants to tell someone 

760
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,240
else, and so she's kind of 
expecting that he might have 

761
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:40,000
also. 
Yeah, so she's it's the same 

762
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,160
thing. 
It's like you're the you're bad 

763
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:43,000
value. 
You're worrying. 

764
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,920
I like people who lie expect 
other people to lie to them like

765
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,680
liars expect other people to be 
liars. 

766
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,480
You know, vindictive people 
expect other people to be 

767
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,160
vindictive, you know, so yeah. 
So she's expecting Cole to feel 

768
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:53,920
that way and she. 
And to be fair, it's not 

769
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,440
totally. 
Shay is right that it's 

770
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,840
projection, but she does have 
logical reason for this too, 

771
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:04,320
given his past. 
So she weeps for Helena, she 

772
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,800
weeps for G Harry's. 
But like Shaya brought up, she 

773
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:11,640
has less concern for her son. 
She's also unable to come. 

774
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,920
She doesn't come off as 
heartless like I said, it's just

775
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,000
just kind of helpless. 
And you? 

776
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,760
Think she's kind of afraid of 
Aegon. 

777
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,400
Yeah, maybe a little bit, you 
know, maybe a little bit. 

778
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,040
But I think it's just so much of
it is just the way they're 

779
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:25,680
raised. 
It's a great point y'all made 

780
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,080
about her. 
She, she first wants to confess 

781
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,120
it's Otto, and Otto asks like, 
what's sin? 

782
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,120
And she, she then she just 
doesn't say anything. 

783
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,320
And then later she says it. 
And he's by then he's probably 

784
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,120
had a chance to think about it 
and he's like, I don't want to 

785
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,720
hear of it. 
Which is another way to 

786
00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:46,240
encapsulate politics over love. 
Like she needs someone to 

787
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:48,440
confess to, to come clean to 
someone she can trust. 

788
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,480
She needs to get this off her 
chest. 

789
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,840
Like she literally scratches 
herself on the chest as she 

790
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,960
brings it up. 
It's that physical manifestation

791
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,720
thing of her picking at her 
nails and scrubbing that you 

792
00:38:57,720 --> 00:38:59,480
brought up last week, Sean, that
she was scrubbing herself in the

793
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,440
bath and she couldn't get clean.
It comes up here too. 

794
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,080
It's really great consistency of
her like foibles or quirks as a 

795
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:06,840
character. 
But Otto isn't going. 

796
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,640
He's like, Nope. 
It's it puts us at risk. 

797
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,440
If I know, like if I don't know,
then I can't spill the beans 

798
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:12,840
either. 
It's better to keep it a secret,

799
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,800
which from political perspective
you see his point, but from a 

800
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,840
father daughter perspective I 
you you don't. 

801
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,520
From a father, daughter or or 
maybe even just human or 

802
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,920
whatever kind of perspective he 
it might just be too much for 

803
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,120
him to deal with. 
He's already straught in a bunch

804
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:31,120
of ways, you know, never mind to
him the the political 

805
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,280
implications he might just not 
emotionally be able to handle 

806
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,320
anymore, you know? 
Yeah, yeah. 

807
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,720
Like in general, a father 
doesn't want to hear about who 

808
00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:42,520
his daughter's having sex with. 
In general, I think that I feel 

809
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,720
like that's a kind of a. 
Especially a religious 

810
00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:46,320
conservative family, right? 
Right. 

811
00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:52,480
So but but the their dynamic has
changed though, like we've saw 

812
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,760
and it started to change last 
time, which is they are 

813
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,080
supporting each other more like 
they are more of a team. 

814
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,080
Which is a reversal. 
They were at odds a lot season 

815
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:05,520
one. 
Now they're kind of together, 

816
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,520
which is a change from the 
blacks, Whereas Damon and 

817
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,560
Rainier were pretty tight season
one, now they're the ones split.

818
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,880
So that's a nice little little 
mirror image there. 

819
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,880
One of many mirror images in 
this episode and this series. 

820
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,360
So Sir Kristen, let's talk about
him. 

821
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,200
Let's focus on him for a minute.
A lot of people are like, he's 

822
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:27,080
not Sir. 
He's just it's one of the 

823
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,680
saddest moments of the episode 
is him watching that little bed 

824
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,360
being taken apart with like that
was like, man, they got us in 

825
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,160
the fields with that one. 
They really know how to just 

826
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,480
that little thing, you know, 
just the, the act of taking 

827
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,360
apart the little bed is so sad. 
It's like that phrase, you know 

828
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:45,960
what was like a child shoes for 
sale never worn like, Oh my God,

829
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,040
don't do that. 
So it's one of the saddest 

830
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,320
moments of the episode. 
His acting is really good here, 

831
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,600
even though you're mad at him 
all the time, especially on 

832
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,720
rewatch when you know what he's 
going to do the second time 

833
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,320
through because one of the 
cringiest moments is him 

834
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,960
lambasting Sir Aric. 
But again, we'll save that for 

835
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,120
Wednesday. 
We'll hold on. 

836
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,960
Hold on to the your frustration 
for Kristen Cole over that. 

837
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,480
But in general, does this change
your view of Kristen Cole? 

838
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,360
Does he seem more of a hypocrite
or whatever? 

839
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:14,720
Well, how do you see him now? 
It is. 

840
00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:17,040
This is basically pretty big 
moments in this episode 

841
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,080
regarding him. 
It does it clearly makes him 

842
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,600
more of a hypocrite, but it's in
a way that I understand, if that

843
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,360
makes sense You it's it's 
frustrating for him to do this, 

844
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,920
but it but people do this people
often do this and it's. 

845
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:33,720
Do do what? 
Do what? 

846
00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:34,960
Specifically, what do? 
What do you mean? 

847
00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:38,120
Lash out at other people when 
they're really upset with 

848
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,560
themselves. 
That makes sense. 

849
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,040
That is human. 
Realizes I've made a mistake. 

850
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,920
I, I, I have sinned. 
I, I've done something wrong. 

851
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:50,840
I've been a hypocrite da da. 
Well, let me find someone else 

852
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,000
being a hypocrite and I'll tell 
you know like it's there. 

853
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:55,880
There are definitely better ways
to do this. 

854
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,880
Wasn't being hypocrite though 
like this but. 

855
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,120
Arc wasn't being a hypocrite 
though, he he unleashed on him. 

856
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,120
That's not a hypocrite that's 
just a that was just a punching 

857
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,640
guy. 
That was just pure blame. 

858
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,880
What I meant, really, he's 
looking for someone to go after,

859
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,960
someone to take this 
internalized emotion out on 

860
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,400
outwardly, not necessarily for 
doing the same thing that he 

861
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,240
did. 
Yeah, but this is someone that 

862
00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:21,360
maybe he and his own mind can 
justify or maybe even 

863
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,720
legitimately have a little bit 
of concern about. 

864
00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:26,240
You know, it's not that I, I 
don't think he's being fair. 

865
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:28,400
I I don't necessarily think this
is the case. 

866
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:34,360
But even if Cole is aware enough
that Eric wouldn't do this, is 

867
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,960
everyone he that's part of why I
think he knows he can do this to

868
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,600
him, because he knows he could 
turn the king or whoever against

869
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,920
him. 
You know, I think, and and it's 

870
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,840
another thing I want to think 
about too, another sort of 

871
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:49,120
parallel you can draw that Damon
felt like he needed to do 

872
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,080
something. 
This came in the wake of seeing 

873
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:56,560
this dead baby. 
And Cole, for all his flaws, he 

874
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,520
still wants to defend Allison. 
He's still on some level 

875
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,360
believes or needs to believe 
that he's doing the right thing 

876
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,760
for the right side. 
And these freaking blacks just 

877
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,920
killed a little boy he wants. 
He's just like Damon. 

878
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,880
I want revenge. 
I want to take action. 

879
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,360
I'm tired of these council 
meetings. 

880
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,920
I'm tired of all those patients.
But we rightly condemned Damon 

881
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,160
for doing that. 
This is your your. 

882
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,600
But we rightly condemned Damon 
for that right. 

883
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,400
Oh yeah. 
So, so we condemned call for 

884
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,360
this, of course in the same, by 
the same regard absolutely. 

885
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:33,120
Yeah, it's, it's a, a, an 
emotional negative, unfair, 

886
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:37,640
hypocritical. 
Yeah, it's not. 

887
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,320
Well, no. 
As much as I want to attack him 

888
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,520
for being a bad idea, it almost 
worked. 

889
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:42,880
It. 
Did almost work right? 

890
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,040
Yeah, it worked better than Otto
thought it would, that's for 

891
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:45,360
sure. 
The. 

892
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,040
Difference there and he would 
have got to her or even if he 

893
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:49,760
would have been killed 
immediately afterwards, so. 

894
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:54,600
Yeah, yeah, it's it is really 
interesting because he confronts

895
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,560
it's, it's funny 'cause he 
confronts one of the few people 

896
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,920
that can rightly call his flaws,
his specific mistakes out, 

897
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:03,480
whereas the council doesn't know
exactly who's like they, they 

898
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,240
aren't sure exactly who was 
supposed to be where, but Ark 

899
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:08,960
does. 
He's like, why didn't you assign

900
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,080
a guard to Helena? 
Like, that's your call. 

901
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:13,840
You're the one in charge of 
security. 

902
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,160
So I was a little, remember how 
confident I was that he was 

903
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,840
supposed to be guarding them. 
I was technically wrong. 

904
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,040
So I was so Cal. 
I was like, no, Sean, you're 

905
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:22,400
wrong. 
He was supposed to be guarding 

906
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:23,320
Al. 
He was supposed to be guarding 

907
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:24,320
Helena. 
I was wrong. 

908
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,600
But it was his fault because he 
was the ones that was supposed 

909
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,800
to put a guard on Al on her and 
just didn't. 

910
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,120
So the heirs were not guarded. 
That's just wild. 

911
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,400
So it, it is Cole's fault in 
that sense and he is not taking 

912
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,360
responsibility for it. 
Mary, who we had on as a guest 

913
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,680
for Saturday, Maester Mary had a
great take on Cole and his 

914
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,120
patterns, which is that he is 
very willing to feel shame or 

915
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,520
guilt. 
He does feel that he is not 

916
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,160
above that at all, but he 
doesn't feel responsibility for 

917
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,240
the things that make him feel 
shameful or guilty. 

918
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:58,480
And that is something that some 
characters do, but he doesn't. 

919
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,600
And that's part of why a lot of 
people don't like him because he

920
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,880
does not take, he takes very 
little responsibility. 

921
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,200
And not only does he not take 
responsibility, he blames other 

922
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,120
people for it. 
We saw a little bit of that for 

923
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,840
Damon, but Damon didn't go 
nearly as far and trying to 

924
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,840
blame someone else. 
He just tried to say it was a 

925
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,680
mistake, like, oh, it was an 
accident, whereas that's a 

926
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,280
different conversation, a 
different way to shirk 

927
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,360
responsibility. 
He did do it, but it's very 

928
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,000
similar. 
It's parallel in that last 

929
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,560
episode, he tried to blame 
Rainey's. 

930
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,840
He's like, you could have just 
killed him all there and you 

931
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:27,120
didn't. 
And now we're in this situation 

932
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,240
and he tried to blame Masari and
and she called him out. 

933
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,400
You're just blaming me because 
of your mistakes. 

934
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,800
OK, so wait, so I, I want to get
a gauge on it, Sean, because 

935
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,840
people were very curious about 
how you would feel about Cole 

936
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,120
after this episode or just, you 
know, your your, your gauge. 

937
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:45,000
It seems like you're not as as 
warm to him as you are, but it 

938
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,040
still seems like if I were to 
have you rank Damon and 

939
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,560
Christian Cole, you're putting 
Damon at like a three and Cole's

940
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,280
still like a six or what? 
You know, you're there's there's

941
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,680
a gap between them. 
They're not head and head right.

942
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,000
I think I said last, I don't 
know if I said it on the stream,

943
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:03,160
but I I said to someone that 
last episode that Cole lost a 

944
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:07,160
notch to me but Damon lost 2. 
I mean Damon was lower in the 

945
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,200
1st place. 
I think in this episode they 

946
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,240
each lost a notch to me. 
So you know he's, you know you. 

947
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:14,400
Don't think Damon Cole lost two 
notches. 

948
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,680
He said he tried to send like 
the this is like a a murder 

949
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,680
thing when he's, you know, the 
blaming people and everything 

950
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,280
like Damon just all he did was 
shirk responsibility. 

951
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:24,800
He didn't like order a murder 
plot. 

952
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,720
Well, and he ordered a murder 
plot last episode, right? 

953
00:46:27,720 --> 00:46:29,560
Which we which he fell two 
notches for. 

954
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,640
So why doesn't Cole fall 2 
notches this episode? 

955
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,040
That's my point. 
Yeah. 

956
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:37,560
The difference is, I think that 
Cole, I think this murder plot 

957
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:42,960
is less bad. 
I think that it is this one is 

958
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,800
like, Why? 
Because the last one isn't with 

959
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,120
a child being killed. 
But that wasn't, but again, that

960
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,440
wasn't like his intent, right? 
It wasn't, you know, and this 

961
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,120
could have gone, this could have
gotten innocent people killed 

962
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:54,760
too. 
Like a someone got in his way, a

963
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,040
kid could have been killed. 
Cole's intent here was to end 

964
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:02,000
the war, he thinks. 
Sure, he may have some shrouded 

965
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:02,760
others. 
No. 

966
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,320
Hold on, hold on. 
Do we know that for sure? 

967
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,400
Do we actually know that? 
We that he's some other thoughts

968
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:10,400
in his head. 
Because we no, no, no, hold on, 

969
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,000
hold on, hold on. 
What I'm saying is I don't know 

970
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,800
that he's honest when he's 
saying that he's trying to get 

971
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,720
Arc to go. 
That doesn't mean he really, he 

972
00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:18,400
genuinely believes this will end
the war. 

973
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:19,680
Because I don't think that's 
true. 

974
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:21,800
I don't think it would end the 
war, and I don't think that 

975
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,880
Kristen Cole would believe that.
I think he's just telling Arc 

976
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:25,320
that to do that. 
It would just be. 

977
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:26,320
Yeah, it would. 
Jace would just be. 

978
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:27,680
Exactly. 
Jace would just be king and 

979
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,960
Damon would would be king. 
Kansor at former king. 

980
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,080
Whatever it wouldn't, it would 
definitely wouldn't stop the 

981
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:34,880
war. 
I'm not saying he's full of 

982
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,360
thought it out or that he 
doesn't have some other ulterior

983
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,880
motivations or cloud of judgment
and everything else, but it it 

984
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,320
does make sense and he said out 
loud he's like, I guess Jason be

985
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,160
the the king, but would it would
is the realm going to stay at 

986
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:48,920
war over this? 
Yes, of. 

987
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,360
Course they would. 
Yeah, they they definitely 

988
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:52,200
would. 
They definitely would. 

989
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,120
That people wouldn't support the
blacks if they believed Jason 

990
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:55,840
was a bastard in the 1st place. 
Because he's next. 

991
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:57,520
No matter, in any scenario, he's
next. 

992
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,360
I mean, they might, but what I'm
saying is even now, Rener is 

993
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:02,880
worried that her support's 
Wayne. 

994
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,160
Yeah, yeah, absolutely sure. 
It would it wouldn't support 

995
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,200
Wayne even more if she wasn't 
even alive. 

996
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,160
You know, like I'm not saying. 
No, it might not, because people

997
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,440
might rather support a man. 
A lot of lot of patriarchal 

998
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:15,920
Westeros might be happier to 
support chase. 

999
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,640
So yeah, no. 
So it's not that simple. 

1000
00:48:17,720 --> 00:48:20,240
Yeah, it's actually hilarious. 
It might have blown up in Cole's

1001
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:24,320
face if he had assassinated 
Rainier and now it's King Chase.

1002
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,360
And now, well, King Jace is as a
clear path to the throne. 

1003
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,280
I I don't know, it might have 
worked out poorly. 

1004
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:34,760
Yeah, one one way or the other, 
Damon's plan was not to end the 

1005
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,720
war, right? 
Even if Cole's plan was poor, 

1006
00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:42,640
thought out, and mixed up with 
other motivations, Damon's plan 

1007
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,480
was also poorly thought out and 
mixed up with other motivations,

1008
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,520
and didn't even have the primary
motivation of trying to end the 

1009
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:49,880
war. 
I don't think that's, to me, 

1010
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:51,640
that's not a distinguishing 
factor because it wouldn't have 

1011
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,160
ended the war either way. 
I don't think their intent 

1012
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,960
matters when we don't know for 
sure what the intent was. 

1013
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,080
And we do in Damon's case, we 
don't in Cole's case, and we 

1014
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:00,920
definitely know that the war 
wouldn't end because of it. 

1015
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,720
He's just wrong like that. 
I think there is. 

1016
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:07,760
You have to include like basics 
intelligence here and he didn't,

1017
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,640
he didn't use that. 
He just expected it. 

1018
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,760
He just like went off half cock.
He would rather support someone 

1019
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,920
knew who is dumb than someone 
who is evil. 

1020
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,400
And even if Cole and Damon. 
Well, they're both He he was. 

1021
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,680
Cole is dumb and evil. 
Yes, well, so is Damon. 

1022
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,920
I don't know that Damon is dumb.
He's definitely evil. 

1023
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:29,680
Well, they he did evil things. 
They both done evil things. 

1024
00:49:29,720 --> 00:49:31,040
Neither of them are pure evil 
guys. 

1025
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,800
But yeah, anyway, I do think the
blood cheese was dumb. 

1026
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,880
Anyway, let's move on. 
We spent a lot of time on that 

1027
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:39,560
one. 
It will be very interesting to 

1028
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,120
see how Kristen and Allison's 
relationship is impact going 

1029
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,120
forward. 
She doesn't hasn't yet reacted 

1030
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,960
to what he's just done and we 
don't know what that will be. 

1031
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,120
And of course, he's the Hand 
now, and all sorts of things are

1032
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,960
going to change between them. 
And yeah, Otto called it a 

1033
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,560
prank. 
He was like, you didn't consult 

1034
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,840
any of us about this prank 
before you left. 

1035
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,400
And Allison, I feel like, 
probably would have taken her 

1036
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,920
father's side on that one. 
Here's another thing where 

1037
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:06,640
Aegon's education would have 
really helped. 

1038
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:08,520
The lack of education really 
hurt him. 

1039
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,480
There had been a Lord Commander 
named Han not that long ago, and

1040
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:17,000
it went very badly, in fact. 
So that was Ryan Redwine. 

1041
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,640
And he was in the season one 
briefly. 

1042
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:23,280
He dies I think in episode two 
or three and he's standing 

1043
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,160
behind Jaharis at the Great 
Council, so. 

1044
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:27,320
You. 
You reminded me of another 

1045
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:28,720
thing. 
I wanted to appoint one to make 

1046
00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:32,680
an earlier scene when Aegon was 
destroying the model of 

1047
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,720
Vulvaleria. 
Yeah, I think that was also sort

1048
00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:43,280
of symbolic, if you will, of him
not only not paying attention 

1049
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,480
to, but just. 
But he's like destroying the 

1050
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,360
past and the legacy of the 
Targaryens. 

1051
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:49,640
Does that make sense? 
Like he, I. 

1052
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,640
Think it's really just his 
father's legacy, not the 

1053
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,480
Targaryen's legacy. 
That too, yeah. 

1054
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,640
Because that's referred to 
specifically in this episode. 

1055
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,080
Like, don't you remember 
thinking about your father? 

1056
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,600
And he hated his father. 
So he he's, he's violently 

1057
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,480
destroying his father's legacy, 
which he didn't like. 

1058
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:03,960
He didn't want to be like his 
father. 

1059
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,480
And now he has an excuse to just
smash. 

1060
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:10,560
It off and particularly thinking
about this because of the line 

1061
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:16,520
that is spoken to Damon by the 
the brothel woman. 

1062
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,480
I don't know if we even have a 
name for her, but she's like, 

1063
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:19,720
you know, the angry Princess 
you. 

1064
00:51:19,720 --> 00:51:21,600
Said Damon. 
You meant Aymond. 

1065
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,400
Aymond, Aymond. 
Sorry if I misspoke. 

1066
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,840
Yeah, you know, angry Princess 
end up hurting common people 

1067
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,440
like me. 
And this is an example like a 

1068
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,920
you know, that he is, I guess 
he's king at this point, but but

1069
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,760
his like on a lot of levels, but
just think of the time and work 

1070
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,080
and effort that one guy this 
day, like stop, you know, like 

1071
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,720
that in the background, like 
watch him destroy this. 

1072
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:49,520
But also what it symbolizes 
father, his legacy, their 

1073
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,480
history, on and on. 
And he's just mad in this moment

1074
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,200
and destroying all of it. 
And and this continues. 

1075
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,080
It's been happening and it keeps
happening. 

1076
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:01,560
Gamon did the same thing. 
It's it's Eric and Eric aren't 

1077
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,520
exactly common. 
People like the Cargilles are 

1078
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:08,880
like a a noble family, but they 
are still relatively common 

1079
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:13,120
compared to the Royals and they 
are suffering to death for these

1080
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,160
angry Princess, you know? 
Absolutely. 

1081
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:16,360
Yeah. 
They're losing their temper and 

1082
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,200
sending people off to do bad 
things. 

1083
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:22,160
That, by the way, is a callback 
to virus telling Ned. 

1084
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,440
Why is it always the innocents 
who suffer when you high Lords 

1085
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,040
play your Game of Thrones? 
Very strong callback there. 

1086
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:32,960
Very big moment, very big line 
talking about well, actually, 

1087
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,320
let's take a few questions here.
Mick Floyd says I was so I was 

1088
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,200
ready to kick Allison's back in,
but Tom and Egon doesn't want 

1089
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,720
anybody see him as weak. 
So was her leaving while he was 

1090
00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:46,160
crying good parenting? 
Maybe that's possible. 

1091
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:47,480
But I, I, I, I think maybe 
that's what maybe that's 

1092
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,920
something that she would tell 
herself, but I think she just 

1093
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,480
doesn't know how to comfort him.
I think that's regardless of 

1094
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,960
what else might be going on. 
I I'm pretty adamant that she 

1095
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,320
doesn't know how to comfort him 
so definitely doesn't have to be

1096
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,680
just that though. 
Like why would it be one thing? 

1097
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,520
This is she should be having a 
confusing, complex set of 

1098
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,240
emotions here and I think that's
a very valid potential 

1099
00:53:09,240 --> 00:53:12,520
possibility for one of them. 
He doesn't want to be seen as 

1100
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:13,680
weak. 
Yeah. 

1101
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,720
Like some people want to be left
alone when they're sad. 

1102
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,680
That's that's not uncommon. 
I don't want to argue too hard 

1103
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:21,920
against that take, but there is 
a difference between being seen 

1104
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,760
as weak to the public and being 
seen as weak to your mom, you 

1105
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:26,880
know? 
Yeah, that's a good point. 

1106
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,080
But she. 
But still, she might recognize 

1107
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:33,240
that he'll just get mad at her 
if she tries now. 

1108
00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:35,960
Still, maybe still she should 
try Despite that. 

1109
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,880
I don't know, But yeah. 
Whitney Lee sends a super chat. 

1110
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,720
No question, thank you Whitney. 
And Jill, 47, says it's odd that

1111
00:53:41,720 --> 00:53:43,760
no one asked the queen to pick 
the rat catcher who did it so 

1112
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:44,800
they didn't have to kill them 
all. 

1113
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,920
I wouldn't say it's odd. 
I would say it's a function of 

1114
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:52,880
just how single minded and in a 
hurry Aegon is to get revenge. 

1115
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,160
I think they don't want to re 
traumatize Helena but I don't 

1116
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,320
think it even crossed his mind. 
I don't think it crossed his 

1117
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,240
mind, but I think if it had, 
there might have. 

1118
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,840
He might not have wanted to go 
drag her to stare at a bunch of 

1119
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:05,960
men in a lineup. 
Yeah, he had the blinders on. 

1120
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,480
He was presented with with 
Blood. 

1121
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,520
He beat him to death. 
Blood admitted that he worked 

1122
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:12,960
for the rat catcher whose name 
he didn't know, just that it was

1123
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:14,280
one of the Red Keep rat 
catchers. 

1124
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,920
Simple as that. 
There is no further thought. 

1125
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:18,720
There's like, well, what? 
How can I get them as quickly as

1126
00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:20,800
possible? 
There's no other steps needed, 

1127
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,080
just have them all killed. 
He just immediately had an 

1128
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,840
answer that could satisfy him. 
Even though it's a terrible way 

1129
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:29,920
to handle it, it was quick and 
he knew he could do it right 

1130
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,640
away. 
And remember Otto when when Lars

1131
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,600
came in with this information 
and it seemed like Aegon want to

1132
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,040
go deal with himself and Chris 
and I was like, hold on. 

1133
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,040
And Lara said Otto was like, 
make sure you get some 

1134
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,200
information quick. 
Yeah, I'll just kill him right 

1135
00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:44,200
away. 
Yeah, Otto was worried about 

1136
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,520
that, and he was correct to be. 
And I think Otto would have 

1137
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,000
thought whether he should have 
or not to have Elaine and pick 

1138
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,240
him out. 
I think Lars probably knew he 

1139
00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:56,160
could have done that. 
I think Loris wanted to give 

1140
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,880
Aegon this moment of violence. 
I think Loris is trying to get 

1141
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,400
an Aegon. 
Side Oh, yeah, I think you're 

1142
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:02,760
right. 
I mean, he already has tried to 

1143
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,000
insert himself with the whole 
hand, like that's your father's 

1144
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:06,960
hand. 
Which, by the way, he he uses 

1145
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:11,400
almost the exact same wording 
when he fires Otto that that the

1146
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,200
Loris planted him. 
Yeah. 

1147
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:14,960
He's like, he's your father's 
hand, not your hand. 

1148
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,000
You know, he's like you're not 
you were my father. 

1149
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,280
You were my father's hand, not 
mine. 

1150
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,600
He says he just repeats it right
back to him. 

1151
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,840
But before that point, we have 
the shot outside of the rat 

1152
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,840
catchers hanged, and it's the 
first appearance of Alf the 

1153
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,240
White. 
We'll be seeing more of him 

1154
00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:30,360
later. 
Sean, you don't even know who 

1155
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,640
that is, but he does matter. 
The first thing he does is steal

1156
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,880
something. 
So that gives you a little quick

1157
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,880
hint as to his character. 
We have a sad shot of the little

1158
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,280
dog sitting there, still loyal 
to to Cheese. 

1159
00:55:41,720 --> 00:55:46,480
Cheese was killed. 
There's Alf, and there's the 

1160
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,040
little dog. 
Poor loyal dog. 

1161
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,880
Oh, hopefully find someone that 
won't kick him to be his next 

1162
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,280
companion. 
So this is done pretty quickly. 

1163
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:01,920
We see this, the guy Otto or Alf
asks what did they do and no one

1164
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,200
says anything. 
We just cut to this council 

1165
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,520
chamber where Otto is already 
enraged. 

1166
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,280
He finds out. 
He comes in he's like what did 

1167
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:15,960
you do to the rat catchers and 
this is his big it's giving the 

1168
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:20,680
worst person you just know made 
a great point energy Otto cause 

1169
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,360
Otto makes several great points 
here. 

1170
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,680
Of course we can't help but 
notice that so much of this was 

1171
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,520
set up by him in the 1st place. 
His own arrogance had a lot to 

1172
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,640
do with this scenario happening 
in the 1st place. 

1173
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,680
He created the conditions that 
allowed a lot of this happening.

1174
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:41,560
He's more than anyone is why 
Eggon is on the throne but he 

1175
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:46,040
and he wanted to avoid Damon 
because he feared another Megor 

1176
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:50,360
the cruel and he's telling all 
his opponents that this is right

1177
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:54,240
near the cruel. 
But the most Megor like thing 

1178
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:58,800
done in this episode was hanging
the rag catchers like Megor hung

1179
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:02,080
all the builders or hanged? 
Sorry Stannis hanged all the 

1180
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,640
builders after building the very
tunnels Blood and Cheese just 

1181
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:09,800
used to sneak through. 
Oh man yeah Megor's paranoia got

1182
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,080
more. 
Targaryens killed the red keep. 

1183
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,680
When has those tunnels ever 
helped Targaryens? 

1184
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:21,360
I don't think it's only ever so 
yeah, I got more to say about 

1185
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,000
this, but Sean, go ahead and and
weigh in before I just say all 

1186
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,080
of it at once. 
I think that this is maybe 

1187
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:30,880
another example of the, I don't 
know, this this theme, I don't 

1188
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,760
know, projected the right word. 
But like Otto's mad at himself. 

1189
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,440
I think he knows a lot of this 
is his. 

1190
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,560
Fault. 
He's taking it out on Aegon and 

1191
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:44,000
now Aegon did do a bad thing, 
but he, I, I and I was kind of 

1192
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,000
surprised at the insults he was 
throwing at him. 

1193
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,880
He kept pushing it. 
Both both the anger and both the

1194
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,640
the cinema and the actual words 
were really pushing. 

1195
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:54,880
It. 
He's never been like this, 

1196
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:56,360
right? 
He's never lost his composure 

1197
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:57,560
like this. 
This was very different. 

1198
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:00,280
Yeah, I was. 
He snapped is maybe part of it 

1199
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:05,600
is he also hasn't had his chance
to grieve his grandson being 

1200
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,520
killed and the effect that 
that's had on his granddaughter 

1201
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:13,600
and the efforts will say 
sacrifices, maybe his personal 

1202
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:16,120
sacrifices to kind of swallow 
these emotions. 

1203
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,800
He hasn't allowed himself to 
grieve because he feels like he 

1204
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:22,640
these things he has to get this 
duty he has for the long term 

1205
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,040
good of the realm and the people
and his family and his children.

1206
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,720
And he's been sucking it up and 
making these tough decisions and

1207
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:31,920
this stupid kid is ruining it 
all. 

1208
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:36,160
And he's like, you know, you 
thought about your father, like,

1209
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:38,760
you know, my, my father said I 
should be. 

1210
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:41,120
I made you king. 
Yeah. 

1211
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:42,760
And. 
That was a very dumb thing to 

1212
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:44,920
say, 'cause as we just said, he 
doesn't really like his father. 

1213
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:46,760
Bringing up his father's legacy 
is an insult. 

1214
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:48,640
He's like, yeah, I don't want to
be like that. 

1215
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,840
This is Yeah, that was a poor 
choice. 

1216
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:52,520
Yeah, Otto, you did make him 
king. 

1217
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:58,600
You made this man who killed 100
innocent men, 99 innocent men or

1218
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,760
whatever. 
You made him king. 

1219
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:02,440
You did that. 
Live with it. 

1220
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:03,480
Live with it. 
Otto. 

1221
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:04,640
Yeah. 
Hate him? 

1222
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:06,760
Yeah, but in this moment, talk 
about boxing. 

1223
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:12,080
Yeah, and but in this moment, 
unlike pretty much every other 

1224
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,760
moment, he can't control his 
emotions and and a lot of those 

1225
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:18,920
other moments, it almost makes 
him seem cruel or cold. 

1226
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:23,560
But here, when he lets it go, he
still seems cruel and cold. 

1227
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:28,360
And the timing is just wrong 
because Aegon's already got 

1228
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:32,880
these seeds planted and and 
Otto's harvesting them without 

1229
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:34,480
realizing it. 
I love it. 

1230
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,000
It's such a great scene. 
He's his acting is so good that 

1231
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,640
just he just the way he 
unleashes he he calls him 

1232
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:44,440
feckless, feckless Sean. 
He claims Aegon has no feck, not

1233
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,840
a a speck of feck in that man 
He. 

1234
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:48,920
Doesn't give one. 
He doesn't give any feck I I 

1235
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:50,800
actually honestly do not know 
what feckless means. 

1236
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:55,240
I've seen it written a million 
times but it's just context. 

1237
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:58,200
Always kind of semi explains it,
but it's about to. 

1238
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:02,160
Say also just context. 
I think it's like regard or 

1239
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,360
control. 
Certainly, that certainly fits. 

1240
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:09,920
Anyway, it's very on point. 
Yeah, he's he's yelling at him. 

1241
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:14,440
He's can't stop the insults. 
And like how Amond refers to his

1242
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,760
own mother as Allison, though in
private he's called him Aegon. 

1243
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:19,960
In the council meeting, he does 
that too. 

1244
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:21,720
He does it here. 
And in the council meeting, he's

1245
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:23,920
still thinking of him as his 
grandson, like the kid he put on

1246
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:25,600
the throne. 
He doesn't call him Your Grace. 

1247
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,520
And that might have helped a 
little bit, but it's just all 

1248
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,880
these the, the, the insults 
piling up and Aegon being like, 

1249
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:35,320
you know, just can't handle it. 
He's like, I'm handling this 

1250
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:38,560
better than you all of a sudden.
Because that's an interesting 

1251
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:40,320
thing, isn't it? 
Aegon's demeanor has shifted 

1252
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,480
dramatically by this. 
By the time the scene rolls 

1253
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,760
around, he feels like he's a 
little satisfied. 

1254
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:46,000
Maybe because he killed the rat 
catchers. 

1255
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:49,680
He's taking action. 
He's he's no longer melting down

1256
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,160
and he's drinking heavily. 
Yeah, that's exactly what I was 

1257
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,600
going to say, that he feels as 
measure of control as anyone 

1258
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:58,080
would. 
He actually did do something 

1259
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:00,280
right here. 
He, he did multiple things 

1260
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,320
actually. 
He beat blood to death, 

1261
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:08,800
presumably he killed 100 men and
he sent Kristen off to well, he 

1262
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:12,320
said he sent Kristen to send 
Aurek off to kill Rainiera, 

1263
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:16,920
right? 
Like he he has enacted 3 acts 

1264
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:20,160
better is more than has happened
so far in his whole reign. 

1265
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:23,240
So yeah. 
He says Aegon also points out 

1266
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,200
that what have you done? 
You know, I, I want to spill 

1267
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:27,760
blood, not ink. 
And all you've done is Curry the

1268
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,280
favor of fish wives. 
And he's like, no, like the 

1269
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:31,720
whole realm is hearing about 
this. 

1270
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,000
He's like, it's not just the you
you think that only the people 

1271
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:35,960
in King's Landing that saw the 
body care. 

1272
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,600
No, look, everyone's telling 
everybody word's going to 

1273
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:39,720
spread. 
It's going to take a little 

1274
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:43,200
while, but you just upended all 
that. 

1275
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:48,040
You just ruined our ethical 
advantage in front of everybody.

1276
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,480
Like we, we were the good guys 
'cause they killed a child and 

1277
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:54,640
our, you know, we were, we had 
the, the upper hand with the 

1278
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:57,120
propaganda and now we don't. 
Is, is Otto's point. 

1279
01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:02,200
Whether that's actually true or 
not remains to be seen, but you 

1280
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:05,040
tend to trust Otto's judgement 
on things like this. 

1281
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,480
He, he's not an idiot, you know,
he's a dishonest, he's 

1282
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:11,640
ambitious, but he's not a fool. 
He's, you know, the same kind of

1283
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:13,320
thing with like a Tywin who was 
also handed the king. 

1284
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:16,640
You wouldn't trust Tywin to not 
be ruthless or violent, but you 

1285
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:21,800
would trust Tywin to act 
rationally in within the frame, 

1286
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,400
within the the the framework 
he's shown you before. 

1287
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:29,720
You know, I that one line that 
Otto said that his death could 

1288
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:32,560
be worth more than 1000 nights 
on a battlefield? 

1289
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:36,040
Yeah, and, and I, I thought 
about that a lot because, you 

1290
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,360
know, if, you know, I don't know
what the number would have to 

1291
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:42,400
be, but let's say one in 100 
potential soldiers that were 

1292
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:46,600
going to join Renera's 'cause 
now they don't. 

1293
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:50,400
And if there were 10,000 people 
that were going to well, that's 

1294
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,160
1000. 
It don't if you had 1000 nights,

1295
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:55,160
go kill one person each. 
Well, if you get 1000 people to 

1296
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:58,000
not join, they don't need to be 
killed and might be even more 

1297
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,920
than that, right. 
Especially when he considered 

1298
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:05,640
the idea that like, you don't 
even have to equip and send 

1299
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:07,840
those Knights out and wait for 
them to get to the battlefield, 

1300
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:09,800
right? 
You just have to send A1 Raven 

1301
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:14,760
can affect 1000 people 200 miles
away like Otto was. 

1302
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:16,600
I think that was a very good 
assessment by Otto. 

1303
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:21,120
But now if each one of those rat
catchers had one brother and one

1304
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:24,720
son or one uncle or whatever who
are now not going to join the 

1305
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:28,520
green side because they're mad, 
what the king did he he, he just

1306
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:29,880
cancelled out the. 
Value. 

1307
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,760
He really did yeah. 
And, and that, and that'll be 

1308
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:33,960
the room. 
That's what spreads Like this is

1309
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:36,000
this is what happened. 
This is your loyalty to the and 

1310
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:40,480
this is, this is what his, you 
know, magnanimity towards the 

1311
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:42,120
guy shouldn't even use that word
'cause I can't say it. 

1312
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:45,800
All his goodwill towards the 
common people is just. 

1313
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,480
He just murdered 99 and he's 
like, do you strike at me? 

1314
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:50,000
I strike back at you. 
Like he's treating them like a 

1315
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:54,120
monolith, like they did it like,
no, it wasn't them, it was just 

1316
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:57,240
one of them. 
It was really Damon and you 

1317
01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:01,200
know, and but he's treating them
like they're some sort of group 

1318
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:05,560
that arranges together he which 
is just the height of paranoia, 

1319
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:07,240
insanity. 
I don't know which. 

1320
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:10,240
It's just it's not rational, 
it's not smart. 

1321
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:15,400
But it's also not unexpected 
that this kind of behavior would

1322
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,080
come from a person like this 
person raised like this person, 

1323
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,520
with this, with these values. 
Which, yeah, brings me to your 

1324
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:23,800
answer, Aziz to to Jill when you
said no. 

1325
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,040
I don't think it's odd for Aegon
to not show Helena. 

1326
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:29,840
You're right, Jill 47. 
That's what a rational person 

1327
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:31,760
would do. 
If Otto had charge of this, he 

1328
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,320
probably would have done that or
any number of things. 

1329
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,320
There's probably a number of 
solutions here that didn't 

1330
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:39,760
involve killing 100 men and 
publicly hanging them. 

1331
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:44,240
One other callback to Song of 
Ice and Fire here is Jamie 

1332
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:47,760
getting mad at Cersei for 
killing the guards who Virus 

1333
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:51,160
drugged. 
Virus drugged some guards and 

1334
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:55,360
went and and the business down 
in the black cells and then they

1335
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:57,280
went you know with Tyrion and 
all that right and then the 

1336
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:00,240
guard Cersei finds out and the 
first thing she does is order 

1337
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:03,200
the death the guards that fell 
asleep and Jamie's like you 

1338
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:04,920
idiot. 
We should have questioned those 

1339
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:08,760
guards like like something 
happened, you know, like what 

1340
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:10,800
now we don't know. 
We have no idea if they what 

1341
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:12,640
they saw. 
We could have just we could have

1342
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:14,040
killed them after we questioned 
them. 

1343
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:18,160
But this is big. 
This is Cersei energy right 

1344
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:20,040
here. 
Aegon just not thinking and just

1345
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:23,640
only thinking of revenge and 
violence and getting back at the

1346
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:26,560
people that did this and not 
thinking exactly what what's the

1347
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:29,560
line that Otto says? 
He says he has not the Longview.

1348
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:32,960
I love that. 
Yeah. 

1349
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,680
And it's right, right. 
In the same conversation where 

1350
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:39,320
Allison also kind of downplays 
like that. 

1351
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,560
That's really downplaying it. 
He does not the Longview like 

1352
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:43,840
saying he's very short sighted. 
Yeah, that that's that's putting

1353
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,880
it mildly. 
But Allison says Sir Kristen is 

1354
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:53,520
not temperate. 
Yeah, you don't say, Sir. 

1355
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:56,680
Kristen is not temperate. 
The thing she says after that, 

1356
01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:00,320
though, is that he's dedicated. 
You can't deny his dedication. 

1357
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:02,480
Which? 
His loyalty, maybe his. 

1358
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:05,440
Loyalty is dedication anyways, 
Which to her, yeah. 

1359
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:11,680
But really that this is a 
parallel because this is kind of

1360
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:16,360
like when Eamon was, you know, 
lambasting his mother in front 

1361
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,160
of Cole and Cole's like, Nah, 
it's all right near his fault. 

1362
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:21,400
This is this is kind of the same
thing where they're like Cole 

1363
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:23,680
and Aegon together. 
Those two idiots will just, you 

1364
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:26,000
know, Ram run the realm of the 
ground. 

1365
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,320
And she's like, Sir Kristen is 
not temperate. 

1366
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:33,160
This is like, hold on, Let's 
let's just dial it back a little

1367
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:34,480
bit. 
That's my lover you're talking 

1368
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:37,960
about. 
She's not quite as bad. 

1369
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,400
She's not. 
She's not as just Kristen's way 

1370
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:41,720
worse. 
She's blames it all in right 

1371
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:43,480
here. 
She's a little more like nuanced

1372
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:47,920
about it, but still. 
I I think by the way that Otto 

1373
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:51,280
said they have not the Longview,
not he 'cause I think he was 

1374
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:52,680
talking about. 
Both. 

1375
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,680
Kristen and Aymond also that all
three of them are. 

1376
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:58,600
Just, I think he said he, but 
he's, you're right that he, 

1377
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:01,320
you're right either way, whether
he said it or not. 

1378
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:07,000
Also, real quick, feckless is in
the realm of unqualified, 

1379
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:10,880
incompetent, irresponsible. 
OK, it's feckless lacking FEC. 

1380
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:13,560
So if I have stuff, I want to 
say someone doesn't have any 

1381
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:15,400
skills something. 
It's like you have no FEC at 

1382
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:16,760
this. 
I think we all knew what? 

1383
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:19,800
Well, I I guess we, Aziz and I 
both knew what the word feckless

1384
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:22,120
meant. 
We were asking what the root of 

1385
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:25,440
the word FEC is. 
I could not without. 

1386
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:27,400
To be clear. 
Quickly while trying to keep up 

1387
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:30,000
with this, I could not find FEC 
but I could find feckless. 

1388
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:32,960
So yeah, yeah, we knew that it. 
Might be a word that didn't have

1389
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:34,960
less added to it. 
It might have had some other 

1390
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:36,520
origin that sometimes happens, 
but. 

1391
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,600
So Aegon wasn't well educated 
into being king. 

1392
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:44,080
You know who hasn't been 
educated as Hand of the King? 

1393
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:45,480
The new guy? 
Kristen Cole. 

1394
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:46,720
What? 
What experience does this guy 

1395
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:49,760
have? 
And the one order he's given so 

1396
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:50,880
far? 
Though technically he wasn't 

1397
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:54,160
Hand when he gave the order to 
Sir Ark, if this is any 

1398
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:58,520
indication of his ability. 
And we already saw him talk to 

1399
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:02,560
Aymond about a plot, a campaign 
plan to go, you know, attack the

1400
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:05,320
crown lands and all that. 
So we can pretty much expect 

1401
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:07,320
that to be one of the first 
things he suggests. 

1402
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:10,520
One last thing with Otto and and
Aegon. 

1403
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:15,440
Another sign of Aegon's weakness
is the use of the classic saying

1404
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:17,800
you are dismissed to someone 
who's already walking away. 

1405
01:08:20,279 --> 01:08:22,760
I I did like that moment because
it was a little bit of a 

1406
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:27,319
reminder to Otto, you know, like
it, it and and maybe to Aegon 

1407
01:08:27,319 --> 01:08:30,520
himself, like he is kind of 
asserting himself and it may be 

1408
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:34,760
after the fact, but he did want 
to remind Otto that I am the 

1409
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:36,080
king. 
I'm not joking. 

1410
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:37,720
You really are out of here, you 
know. 

1411
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:40,600
But anyone who has to remind 
someone he's the king is no true

1412
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:42,160
king. 
It comes back to that. 

1413
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:46,800
One of the quick point is it and
again I'm I'm way down on where 

1414
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:49,920
I was for Kristen Cole and I've 
never been that high on him in 

1415
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:51,800
the 1st place except for how 
handsome he is. 

1416
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:55,520
Gorgeous. 
More down on him than Damon 

1417
01:08:55,520 --> 01:09:00,399
relatively, but it is possible. 
Not knowing how this pans out. 

1418
01:09:00,399 --> 01:09:03,960
I can easily find myself with my
foot in my mouth or eat my words

1419
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:08,520
in a couple weeks. 
But in this moment of war, he 

1420
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:10,240
might be a good hand. 
He might. 

1421
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:13,640
If the main thing they need to 
be deciding is how to manage 

1422
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:16,560
battles. 
He might be better than Otto 

1423
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:18,520
now. 
I immediately can see the 

1424
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:20,760
counterpoint to that is he 
hasn't really been to war just 

1425
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:22,319
'cause you're good at fighting. 
With the result. 

1426
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,840
Doesn't mean you're good at 
managing the battlefield troops,

1427
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:28,120
so we'll see about this. 
Like they don't have really 

1428
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:30,279
anyone who's got that skill. 
That's part of the problem here 

1429
01:09:30,279 --> 01:09:33,760
is like yes, you're right, 
Kristen Otto would might be even

1430
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:35,960
worse than Kristen Cole who at 
least has some Marshall 

1431
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:39,319
experience at least as probably 
read some books about strategy 

1432
01:09:39,319 --> 01:09:41,279
and talked about it. 
It's at least like in his 

1433
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:44,520
wheelhouse, even if he has no 
experience at it. 

1434
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:46,479
Eamon's probably read the most 
about it. 

1435
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:50,120
I would guess that Eamon has the
most like book learning on war 

1436
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:52,600
strategy. 
He has studied the blade and 

1437
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:54,680
philosophy and history. 
He said. 

1438
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:57,040
So actually, we should believe 
him. 

1439
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:03,080
And more on books a bit later. 
We've got a pretty cool scene 

1440
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:05,600
with Rainier in the library, but
we're not quite there yet. 

1441
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:11,240
So Aegon smashed a lot of things
the model a table blood his 

1442
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:15,120
father's legacy several glasses 
and he plans to smash more with 

1443
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:18,640
his new steel fist of a hand, 
which that's a book line. 

1444
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:20,080
My new hand will be a steel 
fist. 

1445
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:23,720
That's George RR Martin writing 
right there, by the way. 

1446
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:25,640
Another great moment. 
We didn't it kind of got lost in

1447
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:26,800
the shuffle of all the great 
acting. 

1448
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:28,960
You knew how it was actually 
quite good in his limited time 

1449
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:33,640
blood, the the the gold cloak, 
like his voice went from that 

1450
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:38,840
menacing, gravelly evil to guy 
who's rightfully afraid he's 

1451
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:42,480
going to be tortured and killed,
which again, rightfully so. 

1452
01:10:42,480 --> 01:10:46,000
Yeah, that's that. 
He got luck that it was actually

1453
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:49,480
pretty quick. 
And yeah, his his trembling and 

1454
01:10:49,480 --> 01:10:53,040
his just all that anxiety in his
voice. 

1455
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:57,080
Great job, Curtis. 
Frank says ineffective leads to 

1456
01:10:57,080 --> 01:11:00,080
the word effectless, which leads
to the word feckless. 

1457
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:03,520
OK, so it could be feckless, but
it was changed to feckless. 

1458
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:05,520
OK. 
So you have no effect. 

1459
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:06,360
You have. 
Yeah. 

1460
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:09,560
So you someone that's 
ineffectual, similar, I suppose.

1461
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:11,160
Very good. 
Thank you. 

1462
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:16,800
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1463
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:20,240
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1464
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:24,360
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1465
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:26,800
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1466
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:29,800
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We do get some, but it's, you 

1467
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:34,920
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1468
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:37,880
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And so if you want to join, go 

1469
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:40,760
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1470
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:43,360
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1471
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:47,280
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1472
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:49,960
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1473
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:52,400
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1474
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:56,000
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1475
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:59,480
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1476
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:03,000
Once again, it's 
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1477
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:05,720
You can find the link in the 
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1478
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:09,080
Most of the rest of this episode
will spend on the other side of 

1479
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:11,000
Blackwater Bay, with a few 
exceptions. 

1480
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:12,360
Let's head over to the Black 
Council. 

1481
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:15,600
Dragonstone right here. 
I just can't believe people 

1482
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:17,680
would think are capable of this.
This is a little bit of naivete.

1483
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:20,880
She's not understanding that, 
no, like they don't know you. 

1484
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:23,280
They don't know that you're a 
good person. 

1485
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:26,240
You are. 
You don't have a well defined 

1486
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:29,600
personality to the common folk 
of all over Westeros or the 

1487
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:31,400
nobility. 
Yeah, they got to know you a 

1488
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:32,600
little bit when you were 
younger. 

1489
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:37,000
But this is the part of politics
that she's not grasping fully. 

1490
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:40,400
It happened in the first episode
where her leadership being 

1491
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:44,600
paralyzed meant that they were 
unable to capitalize on this 

1492
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:50,560
event of her son's death in the 
way that Otto almost capitalized

1493
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:52,720
on it for the Greens before 
Aegon kind of threw that off. 

1494
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:55,680
But Aegon pointed out in the 
meeting, who else could it be 

1495
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:57,520
exactly? 
That's what people are going to 

1496
01:12:57,560 --> 01:12:59,120
think. 
Your son was just killed. 

1497
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:00,440
One of their sons has just 
killed. 

1498
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:03,560
Everyone's going to think of you
first. 

1499
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:05,840
And she, the fact that she 
doesn't recognize that 

1500
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,000
immediately is a little bit of a
flaw in her reasoning. 

1501
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:12,440
Alfred Broom, who is very rude 
about it and doesn't read the 

1502
01:13:12,440 --> 01:13:14,840
room very well. 
It's his first experience, first

1503
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:16,400
appearance, by the way, this 
Alfred Broom. 

1504
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:20,880
He says, yeah, actually, some of
us kind of did think you could 

1505
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:24,560
have done that in haste. 
And Rainier gives him the just 

1506
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:26,880
hard stare, like, really, 
really. 

1507
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:30,840
You really thought that? 
And Rainey's gives the mind 

1508
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:32,840
yourself without even looking at
him. 

1509
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:35,400
And it's like, oh, that was 
that's commanding right there. 

1510
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:38,440
I thought that was interesting, 
by the way, that she might have 

1511
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:42,000
also at least a little bit to 
been at least a little bit have 

1512
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:43,920
been talking to Renera A. 
Little bit I think. 

1513
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:46,440
There's a chance Renera is about
to have that guy executed. 

1514
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:49,120
Not executed, but maybe 
something? 

1515
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:53,080
Kicked off the council at least 
you know, it's like calm down 

1516
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:57,200
with you know our old trouble 
here is overreactions. 

1517
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:59,000
Let's not overreact in anyone 
so. 

1518
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:04,560
Yeah, So Damon's silence 
throughout this meeting is kind 

1519
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:07,440
of what gives it away. 
You've got Lord Celtagar saying 

1520
01:14:07,440 --> 01:14:09,400
some things. 
Broom says his things. 

1521
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:11,480
Let's actually mention Celtagar 
first. 

1522
01:14:11,480 --> 01:14:14,240
He's the one who who says, yeah,
I already doubled the guards 

1523
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:15,960
because he knows too. 
He's like, yeah, they're going 

1524
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:17,680
to come for us. 
Of course they are. 

1525
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:19,920
He understands that. 
And then he says something else 

1526
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:22,000
that's obvious. 
It must be said that the damage 

1527
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:26,200
to our position is immeasurable.
Yeah, it is hard to measure 

1528
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:31,360
because they they don't know. 
But it's also a big deal, right?

1529
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:33,400
Part of it's just lack of 
understanding. 

1530
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:35,000
Part of it is this is bad, 
right? 

1531
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:38,720
But yeah, Damon's silence and 
kind of smug face gives it away.

1532
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:40,760
And next thing you know, the 
room has been cleared. 

1533
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:42,520
Well, the room isn't cleared. 
They go to Rainiers private 

1534
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:44,720
corridors and have a 
conversation there, a room we 

1535
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:46,800
get very familiar with in this 
episode because we're in there 

1536
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:48,440
several times and we have a 
fight in there. 

1537
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:53,400
Well, an argument and a fight to
a war of words and a war of 

1538
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:56,040
swords. 
So it's a it's a great argument,

1539
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:58,440
fantastic and realistic. 
The way they kind of walk around

1540
01:14:58,440 --> 01:15:00,640
and stalk and yell and the red 
face and the just the 

1541
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:04,200
frustration barreling through. 
Rainier is relentless. 

1542
01:15:04,440 --> 01:15:06,680
Even though she's a little 
afraid of him, even after he 

1543
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:09,600
gets a little physical with her,
she still calls empathetic, 

1544
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:12,560
which is like, yeah, you go 
like, don't be afraid of him. 

1545
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:14,920
That's my favorite part of the 
episode, calling empathetic. 

1546
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:18,880
Nice. 
I thought it was telling that 

1547
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:21,000
there was a moment when he kind 
of moved toward her and she 

1548
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,800
reeled back because he choked 
her, right? 

1549
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:27,680
That's like another notch that 
Damon has lost in the past that 

1550
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:29,440
keeps him lower than Kristen, if
you're right. 

1551
01:15:29,480 --> 01:15:31,680
She jumps when he slams that 
door too. 

1552
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:35,800
Jolt. 
Also another continuing with the

1553
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:39,320
the sort of motif of losing 
control behind closed doors, 

1554
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:42,240
kind of like we saw with the 
with the greens that's happening

1555
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:44,760
here. 
Like she's realizing that Damon 

1556
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:49,120
did this and we don't see how 
that plays out in that room, but

1557
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:52,080
probably pretty short even if 
everyone realizes that Damon was

1558
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:55,680
probably behind it, but she gets
everyone out and behind closed 

1559
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:57,280
doors they have it out with each
others. 

1560
01:15:57,440 --> 01:16:02,440
Yeah, now I think Damon is loyal
to her, but just they have 

1561
01:16:02,440 --> 01:16:05,000
differing ideas of what loyalty 
means. 

1562
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:07,960
He thought he was loyal to his 
brother and like, in a lot of 

1563
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:09,840
ways he was. 
Yes, he undermined him in ways 

1564
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:12,240
and went against him in ways. 
But if it had ever come to war, 

1565
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:14,080
he'd have been the first one at 
his brother's side. 

1566
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:15,120
And that's what he's thinking 
of. 

1567
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:16,520
That's what he's thinking. 
He's like, yeah, no, I'm on 

1568
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:18,120
your, we're at war. 
I'm on your side. 

1569
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:19,440
I'm about to go lead troops for 
you. 

1570
01:16:19,440 --> 01:16:21,840
That's the point he brings up. 
He's like, how can you doubt 

1571
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:24,760
that I'm on your side? 
Well, it's not that she doubts 

1572
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:26,960
fully that he's on her side. 
It's that she can't. 

1573
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:30,480
She doubts how he expresses 
this, how he takes action to 

1574
01:16:30,480 --> 01:16:33,520
support her, and how they are 
very much on the same page about

1575
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:36,800
what that, what that means and 
what she wants from him. 

1576
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:41,360
And in the same way with 
Thesaurus too, like he is loyal 

1577
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:45,080
in his way, which is only 
physical violence in the short 

1578
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:48,080
term. 
He's not loyal in any long term 

1579
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:50,200
sense. 
And she even kind of calls him 

1580
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:53,040
out on it that he starts with 
her. 

1581
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:55,680
He he does the, the, I don't 
know. 

1582
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:58,080
It's something that people often
do make the projection thing or 

1583
01:16:58,080 --> 01:16:59,560
whatever. 
You blame someone else for doing

1584
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:04,880
what you're really doing right. 
He's like you, you know. 

1585
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:06,760
How did he? 
Say you were afraid to spill 

1586
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:07,360
blood. 
No. 

1587
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:10,880
No, no. 
Your dad was using you to keep 

1588
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:12,440
me from being right. 
Yes, that's what. 

1589
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:14,440
He was saying shadowing him. 
Yeah, he was afraid of me, 

1590
01:17:14,440 --> 01:17:15,600
right? 
Right. 

1591
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:20,640
And and the fact is that she's 
she's saying she didn't say 

1592
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:23,240
this, but what I believe is that
he's using her. 

1593
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:24,880
She kind of like puts it out 
there. 

1594
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:27,800
He's like, look, do you accept 
me as your queen and ruler? 

1595
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:29,600
And he doesn't give a straight 
answer. 

1596
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:32,360
His response is I'm about to go 
raise an army for you. 

1597
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:35,960
Because the answer is he wants 
to use her. 

1598
01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:40,480
He wants to use her name, his 
position as her king consort, to

1599
01:17:40,480 --> 01:17:43,240
do what he wants, just like he 
did with Visarus. 

1600
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:45,320
I'm the King's brother. 
You can't stop me. 

1601
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:49,560
He's sure he's loyal to Visarus,
but he's really using his 

1602
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:52,200
brotherhood to the king to do 
whatever he wants. 

1603
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:55,520
And he's still doing with her. 
And she can't trust him because 

1604
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:58,160
she thinks, I think correctly, 
she's he's going to keep doing 

1605
01:17:58,160 --> 01:17:59,520
that. 
Even when a war is over and they

1606
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:02,640
win, Assuming they win, then 
what? 

1607
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:04,880
She's still gonna have the same 
problems with him that Bizarres 

1608
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:06,040
did. 
She still had the same problems 

1609
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:08,680
with him she's having right now,
and he's not gonna stop. 

1610
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:10,880
She can't really trust him. 
He's not really loyal. 

1611
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:14,800
He's only loyal to the extent 
that he gets to keep his own 

1612
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:17,160
power, autonomy, ego, whatever 
else. 

1613
01:18:17,480 --> 01:18:20,880
Yeah, and it's really well said.
They really get at some really 

1614
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:23,480
important points here. 
The point about fear versus 

1615
01:18:23,480 --> 01:18:26,640
trust is super well done. 
Like Damon was like, no, he he 

1616
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:28,480
was afraid of me. 
And she's like, no, she didn't. 

1617
01:18:28,480 --> 01:18:30,760
He didn't trust you. 
He he wanted to rely on you, but

1618
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:33,080
he couldn't. 
It wasn't 'cause he was afraid 

1619
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:36,400
of you overshadowing him. 
It was because he was afraid of 

1620
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:39,440
what you would do that didn't 
agree with what he would do. 

1621
01:18:39,440 --> 01:18:40,800
And then that would reflect on 
him. 

1622
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:43,200
Things like this, things like 
blood and cheese. 

1623
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:50,080
Yeah. 
And at first, she's not fully 

1624
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:54,120
grasping that, actually, given 
the responsibility she's given 

1625
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:56,360
him. 
Actually, she does too bear 

1626
01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:58,080
responsibility for Jairus's 
death. 

1627
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:02,600
She believes her careless 
wording is partly to blame here.

1628
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:05,440
So she's taking responsibility 
when there's only a little bit 

1629
01:19:05,440 --> 01:19:06,640
to take. 
Maybe there's a little more than

1630
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:09,000
a little, but she's taking it. 
Whereas Damon is trying to 

1631
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:11,800
absolve himself entirely where 
clearly he's more directly 

1632
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:13,000
involved. 
It clearly bears more 

1633
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:15,960
responsibility than she does. 
No matter what percentages you 

1634
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:21,360
assign, his percentage is higher
and he's trying to shirk that 

1635
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:23,360
while she's trying to accept her
share. 

1636
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:27,600
Again, it's like Daenerys in A 
Dance with Dragons at Marine. 

1637
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:30,680
Until a shepherd brings her 
actual child's bones, she 

1638
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:33,400
doesn't realize how dangerous 
her Dragons really are. 

1639
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:36,840
In this case, it's not a literal
dragon posing the danger she 

1640
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:38,200
didn't recognize. 
It's Damon. 

1641
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:40,920
Damon is the dragon that's out 
of control here. 

1642
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:43,560
Damon is Drogon. 
He needs to be reigned in. 

1643
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:48,000
But can he be We We once 
compared Damon to Achilles in a 

1644
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:50,480
episode Parallel Lives episode 
and that's apartment. 

1645
01:19:50,480 --> 01:19:53,840
Here again, in the movie, Troy 
Agamemnon says Achilles can't be

1646
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:57,320
controlled, but Nestor, his 
advisor, says we don't need to 

1647
01:19:57,320 --> 01:19:59,520
control him, we need to unleash 
him. 

1648
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:02,360
And that's basically what 
happens here. 

1649
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:04,560
He kind of unleashes himself. 
He's just like, he leaves and 

1650
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:06,120
just go, I'm OK, I'm unleashed 
now. 

1651
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:08,880
Fine, I'm going. 
And presumably he's going to 

1652
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:10,720
Heron Hall in the Riverlands and
we'll see what happens. 

1653
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:13,240
But this is a better use of his 
talent. 

1654
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:15,680
Like you said, maybe Kristen's 
better in the field than he is 

1655
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:18,400
ruling 'cause he's clearly not 
very good at ruling. 

1656
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:20,320
Like it's no experience. 
He might do better in the field.

1657
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:23,320
Damon maybe as well. 
Like if if it's just about 

1658
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:25,560
fighting and winning the war and
killing soldiers and. 

1659
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:28,400
He might not muck it up so 
badly. 

1660
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:30,760
If you're leaving him to make 
political decisions, then it's 

1661
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:33,840
probably going to go badly. 
But this maybe this will work. 

1662
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:37,880
And that's kind of reflected by 
the later conversation with 

1663
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:41,720
Corliss and, and Rainey's where 
they where they clarify some of 

1664
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:42,760
this. 
It's like, do you think he'd go 

1665
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:45,760
against Rainier? 
And she's like, no, not like 

1666
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:47,240
that. 
Just she just, he just won't 

1667
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:48,880
always be obedient. 
He'll just always do his own 

1668
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:51,000
thing and just try to, like you 
said, he'll just try to get away

1669
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:54,160
with what he can using her as a 
cover, which that's a very good 

1670
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:56,600
way to put it, Sean. 
And I think Rainey's was kind of

1671
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:58,480
trying to say the same thing, 
but in different terms. 

1672
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:00,680
And Renee herself kind of says 
it too. 

1673
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:05,200
When Bayla says what of my 
father, she says, I don't know, 

1674
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:07,240
Chart his own course, That's 
what she says. 

1675
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:09,360
Yeah, hopefully he's going to 
help us, but we'll see, you 

1676
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:12,280
know, hopefully he's still on 
our side, you know, but she's 

1677
01:21:12,480 --> 01:21:15,200
she probably doesn't really 
think he's gone off to like she 

1678
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:16,800
doesn't think expect to get a 
turn on them. 

1679
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:19,520
But again, like, in what way is 
he going to help? 

1680
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:23,080
It's who knows? 
With help like Damon's, you 

1681
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:25,040
know, with friends like Damon, 
who needs enemy? 

1682
01:21:25,440 --> 01:21:29,000
All right, so this is again, 
again to bring up Christian Cole

1683
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:32,480
and Allison it this this part 
line hasn't gone as far because 

1684
01:21:32,480 --> 01:21:34,520
Allison doesn't know what 
Kristen's capable of yet. 

1685
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:35,760
She just knows he's not 
temperate. 

1686
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:38,680
She doesn't know what he just 
did regarding Eric Ark and she 

1687
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:40,800
doesn't know what he'll do next 
now that he's handed the king. 

1688
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:45,120
So she also bears some 
responsibility for kind of 

1689
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:50,880
knowing she has a, a, a hold 
over him and maybe not realizing

1690
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:53,080
what her hold over Kristen 
means. 

1691
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:56,080
Like, oh, what's he going to do 
in my name when I'm not looking?

1692
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:58,400
Or what's he going to do when 
I'm just because he thinks it's 

1693
01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:00,480
what I want? 
Same things happening here with 

1694
01:22:00,480 --> 01:22:03,440
Damon and and Rainier, except 
it's less about what Damon 

1695
01:22:03,440 --> 01:22:06,600
thinks Rainier wants. 
It's what Damon thinks Rainier 

1696
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:10,000
needs rather than, yeah, it's a 
little. 

1697
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:11,880
The dynamics are similar, but 
they're definitely not 

1698
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:14,400
identical. 
And real quick, a knock on 

1699
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:17,560
Allison is that she should 
already be worried about this 

1700
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:20,200
because it's happened with 
Laurie's multiple times. 

1701
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:24,200
He did something a lot more 
kniving or dreadful than she 

1702
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:28,280
affected when she was kind kind 
of giving him guidance and he 

1703
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:32,360
went like 2 steps farther than 
she thought would considered 

1704
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:35,440
would even happen. 
And so with that experience, you

1705
01:22:35,440 --> 01:22:37,680
should be, I think, a little 
more worried about what might 

1706
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:40,920
happen with Cole as well. 
Shout out to our good friends at

1707
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:44,880
the TK OK Podcast Network. 
Hey Tommy, sending hearts and 

1708
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:48,320
geese and a mirror and swords 
crossing and a headstone which 

1709
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:51,280
can only refer to the Cargill 
twins. 

1710
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:55,360
Some of his favorites. 
I As I said in the chat, Tommy 

1711
01:22:55,360 --> 01:23:00,080
is just like Lena with her 
drawings and whatnot, and she 

1712
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:03,280
wrote in her journal. 
The goose kills its own 

1713
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:07,520
reflection and now we can say 
that was the Cargill twins. 

1714
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:10,360
Their sigil is a goose. 
A golden goose is the sigil of 

1715
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:12,240
house cargo. 
That's what he's referring to 

1716
01:23:12,480 --> 01:23:16,240
with his maybe cryptic emojis. 
It's y'all. 

1717
01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:20,920
Well done, Tommy Rainier alone. 
We got some shots of her. 

1718
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:23,320
This is probably the scene you 
were most thinking of, Sean, 

1719
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:26,000
when you talked about just 
seeing people thinking. 

1720
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:28,760
This one to me, of all of them 
stands out the most because of 

1721
01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:31,960
that great camera work of going 
from one eye to the other of 

1722
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:35,200
hers and how she's, when she's 
with her children, Aegon and 

1723
01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:38,320
Viserys, she can't smile even 
when she's with her kids because

1724
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:42,360
I she's worried like they there 
are they targets now these 

1725
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:45,680
children of hers that now that 
Allison or now that Helena's 

1726
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:48,720
children have been targeted, you
know, from their perspective, 

1727
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:50,200
are they going to come after her
kids? 

1728
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:53,560
That's and yeah, that's 
dangerous. 

1729
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:56,880
Yeah, I had so many thoughts in 
this this sequence here that 

1730
01:23:56,880 --> 01:24:00,520
didn't really have any dialogue,
just this imagery because it was

1731
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:05,280
right in the mix of when I wish 
I could I I might be juxtaposing

1732
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:08,680
some of the scenes, but I I feel
like it was the same time period

1733
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:13,120
when Aegon and Helena didn't 
quite know how to interact with 

1734
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:14,440
each other. 
Yes, you're right. 

1735
01:24:14,440 --> 01:24:16,520
That's what you can see. 
I when I flip through them, it's

1736
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:18,120
going back. 
And then you see. 

1737
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:26,440
Then you see Renira with her 
kids and maybe forming a better 

1738
01:24:26,440 --> 01:24:29,160
bond than the greens are. 
It seemed like Helena was with 

1739
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:32,240
the kids alive and Rainier is 
trying but is she going to fail 

1740
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:32,880
too? 
I don't know. 

1741
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:36,360
And and it's ironic I think that
she's giving them dragon. 

1742
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:40,640
She's like, take, it's not a 
toy, you know what I mean? 

1743
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:43,040
She's like giving these Dragons 
to play with. 

1744
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:45,440
I don't know how it's symbolic. 
That's supposed to be of like 

1745
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:48,160
what has happened to the 
Targaryens in general. 

1746
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:50,640
Is she still doing it? 
Is she questioning it at this 

1747
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:55,680
moment? 
And in the scene it has her sort

1748
01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:59,480
of looking to the light, but 
looking sort of upward at a 

1749
01:24:59,480 --> 01:25:02,160
window where light is coming 
through and the, and the the 

1750
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:04,680
camera doesn't even move. 
It kind of just shifts focus 

1751
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:07,440
from one eye to the other. 
But when it goes back to the 

1752
01:25:07,440 --> 01:25:12,080
light, you can see, I don't 
know, just in the air. 

1753
01:25:12,480 --> 01:25:15,040
They spent so, so much time in 
this moment. 

1754
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:17,320
I, I feel like it, it's got to 
mean something. 

1755
01:25:17,440 --> 01:25:20,200
And maybe it's just a pacing 
thing, but when it's over an 

1756
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:23,720
hour long, they, I feel like it 
needs to have a deeper meaning. 

1757
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:27,000
And I haven't quite decided yet,
but one of my thoughts is maybe 

1758
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:31,320
that even the light is not pure,
that, you know, that the sort of

1759
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:35,160
dust or debris in the air like 
that, that nothing is pure, that

1760
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:38,840
she's questioning what she 
thought was pure or good or 

1761
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:40,520
right. 
Then she has questioned before 

1762
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:42,320
already whether or not she 
should be the heir. 

1763
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:44,840
Is this worth it? 
And then we cut from that to 

1764
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:49,680
Allison sinking into the water. 
She's, you know, drowning 

1765
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:52,800
herself rather than looking to 
the light, drowning herself. 

1766
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:57,600
And again, the way those scenes 
came one after another with no 

1767
01:25:57,600 --> 01:25:59,880
dialogue, no action, just as 
imagery. 

1768
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:02,800
I'm, I'm, I don't know if anyone
out there has any, any thoughts 

1769
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:06,560
or ideas or maybe there's some 
foreshadowing that I swear to 

1770
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:11,200
God, if Allison drowned herself.
I, I even started thinking about

1771
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:14,640
the, that, that Dalton Greyjoy 
that's supposed to come into the

1772
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:16,560
mix. 
So is somehow he going to cause 

1773
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:17,920
Allison to die? 
I don't know. 

1774
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:21,680
Maybe I'm, I'm reaching too far,
but those are the thoughts that 

1775
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:23,640
stirred at me and he's still 
moaned. 

1776
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:26,880
I also watched it three times. 
So I'm still had some thoughts 

1777
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:28,600
picking up on new things, you 
know, so. 

1778
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:31,720
I was curious, like as Renira 
looks at her. 

1779
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:37,120
Her two sons, you know, is she 
just like overcome with gruesome

1780
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:38,760
imagery? 
Like that's kind of what I was 

1781
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:42,360
thinking is that she's trying to
not picture her son's 

1782
01:26:42,360 --> 01:26:46,480
decapitated, but she it has to 
cross her mind, right? 

1783
01:26:46,480 --> 01:26:49,080
Like how do you not have that on
your mind? 

1784
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:51,800
I agree because especially 
because she says why would I do 

1785
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:54,760
that to Helena of all people? 
Like she's like if I was going 

1786
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:56,720
to target someone, why would it 
be her kids? 

1787
01:26:56,720 --> 01:26:58,480
Like that's that's kind of 
insane. 

1788
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:00,960
Like why wouldn't I go after 
Aegon or Aemon Exactly like why 

1789
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:03,560
wouldn't she go after the people
who kind of were the target That

1790
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:08,120
was sloppily handled. 
If we if we go over to yeah, 

1791
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:11,280
backing up, I would as well to 
echo what Sean said, if y'all 

1792
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:15,760
have takes on these sort of 
dialogue less scenes that seem 

1793
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:19,680
to suspend time and slow things 
down in an episode that is jam 

1794
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:21,400
packed. 
So that's a good point as well, 

1795
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:23,680
Sean, about how they they took 
the time to do this even in an 

1796
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:25,400
episode that was really kind of 
stretched out. 

1797
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:28,720
So I do appreciate that and I 
would love to hear other 

1798
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:33,480
alternate all their 
interpretations is the word I 

1799
01:27:33,480 --> 01:27:36,000
was looking for. 
If we return to the real briefly

1800
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:38,800
to the drift Mark interlude with
Rainey's and Corley's, we've had

1801
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:41,880
a few of these bed scenes. 
This is like their thing to have

1802
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:47,280
us get them talking in bed, 
which is a sign that they're one

1803
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:50,400
of the very few relatively 
healthy couples in the entire 

1804
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:52,600
series. 
One of the few couples that's 

1805
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:55,280
doing all right, you know, 
they're still like having 

1806
01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:58,280
conversations in bed. 
Like compare that to Aegon and 

1807
01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:01,680
Helena who can barely talk to 
each other at all, or Allison 

1808
01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:05,200
who can't comfort his her own 
son or Otto can barely comfort 

1809
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:07,920
his own daughter and. 
Or like, think about Allison's 

1810
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:11,840
probably not having any bedside 
bed conversations with Cole. 

1811
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:14,480
They just like, slap each other 
up and go at it. 

1812
01:28:14,480 --> 01:28:15,000
I don't know. 
And. 

1813
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:16,760
Then they're worried about 
getting caught and they're like,

1814
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:18,720
let's get out of here. 
Like panic, you know, they can't

1815
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:22,280
just take any moment like this 
cause every moment they're in 

1816
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:23,800
bed together, there's a risk of 
getting caught. 

1817
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:28,640
These two can be like we've been
married for a long time, we can 

1818
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:31,480
do this. 
Can I say Renera Allison 

1819
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:36,480
Craney's Please command me. 
Right, isn't that that's the 

1820
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:38,280
that's the joke in this in this 
moment, right. 

1821
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:41,400
He says I'm he makes them a joke
about being a sub and now it's 

1822
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:43,440
not so bad. 
You know, he's like, I don't 

1823
01:28:43,440 --> 01:28:44,920
know it works out for me just 
fine. 

1824
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:48,640
That was a good joke. 
I love how the dragon riders 

1825
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:51,560
make it much easier for 
characters to just they can do 

1826
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:53,760
scenes in multiple places 
without it being like ah, 

1827
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:56,080
Littlefinger is in his 
teleporter again, how the heck 

1828
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:58,840
did he get all the way there? 
Virus teleported to Slaver's 

1829
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:00,240
Bay, how the heck did he do 
that? 

1830
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:03,440
But because Radius was just a 
dragonstone and then she now 

1831
01:29:03,440 --> 01:29:05,720
she's over at drift mark. 
But that as a dragon rider that 

1832
01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:09,080
makes perfect like, why not? 
Like, that's fine, 'cause we. 

1833
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:10,400
Know they're not really that far
away. 

1834
01:29:10,440 --> 01:29:12,240
Either No, they're not, they're 
island next to each other. 

1835
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:13,440
Yeah, it's really not that far 
now. 

1836
01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:16,320
And of course, we could think 
maybe Coralis is a Dragonstone, 

1837
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:18,400
but no, he, he, we haven't seen 
him there yet. 

1838
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:20,320
He wasn't at the council 
meeting. 

1839
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:22,840
He wasn't around at any of those
other scenes. 

1840
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:26,040
So pretty sure he's still at 
Drift, Mark Baylor and Jace. 

1841
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:28,440
Let's talk about them. 
This is a nice conversation. 

1842
01:29:28,440 --> 01:29:31,040
We don't get a lot of these 
conversations between the core 

1843
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:32,120
characters. 
Obviously these are very 

1844
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:34,920
important characters, but 
they're, they're not tier one in

1845
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:38,960
terms of their screen time. 
And it's so it's these scenes 

1846
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:42,640
are, well, we really like them. 
We, we, we want more of them. 

1847
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:45,200
She skips dinner for crossbow 
practice. 

1848
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:48,720
She's deep in her feelings. 
It's a conversation mostly about

1849
01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:53,320
fatherhood, which this episode 
is heavy on fatherhood themes. 

1850
01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:56,120
Bayla says she has kind of a 
love hate relationship with 

1851
01:29:56,120 --> 01:30:00,920
Damon and kind of explains that 
a little bit doesn't go too deep

1852
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:02,200
with it. 
It's kind of some of it's kind 

1853
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:04,920
of self-explanatory. 
You got get the sense that they 

1854
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:08,080
don't spend a lot of time 
together, but he's protective, 

1855
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:10,880
that kind of kind of thing. 
Worth pointing out something I 

1856
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:14,160
don't think we actually noted in
the scene between Bayla and 

1857
01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:18,840
Rainiera is that when she goes 
in to see Rainiera she notes the

1858
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:23,160
broken debris on the ground. 
She sees that there was a a 

1859
01:30:23,160 --> 01:30:26,600
fight between Damon and Rainier 
and it was in conflict which she

1860
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:29,120
kind of already knew because his
Damon storms past her, doesn't 

1861
01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:31,080
even say a word. 
She knew he was in a bad mood. 

1862
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:33,640
She sees that he yelled and 
broke something. 

1863
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:36,960
And who knows how many times 
Bayla growing up has seen Damon 

1864
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:40,240
rage at something like when 
they're often and Pentos like, 

1865
01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:43,320
was he happy or did he sometimes
have some some fights and and 

1866
01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:45,440
yell and break something? 
I don't know. 

1867
01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:47,120
It might have brought back a lot
for her. 

1868
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:49,960
So yeah, I think she was very 
much thinking about her 

1869
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:52,280
relationship with her father 
right then and there. 

1870
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:54,520
That's a great point. 
And I would say that it's kind 

1871
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:57,720
of hard for me to imagine that 
Damon and Lena never had 

1872
01:30:57,720 --> 01:30:59,960
arguments like she is very 
strong willed, strong 

1873
01:30:59,960 --> 01:31:02,920
personality. 
So it's like hard, kind of hard 

1874
01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:05,160
to imagine that they didn't have
a few a few fights. 

1875
01:31:07,080 --> 01:31:11,280
And it's not hard to imagine 
that maybe Lena was the more 

1876
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:13,400
mature one in those 
conversations or arguments or 

1877
01:31:13,400 --> 01:31:15,920
whatever, and maybe Bayla would 
would have seen her mother's 

1878
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:19,000
side more. 
But again, that's mostly just 

1879
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:22,840
guessing. 
So that's also a great point and

1880
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:24,600
something that ties them 
together here in this moment 

1881
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:30,160
that is a little interesting. 
Jase asks for permission to go 

1882
01:31:30,160 --> 01:31:35,040
do the scouting job that Rainier
gives to Bayla instead, which I 

1883
01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:38,160
think is a little interesting. 
Maybe she's a little little is 

1884
01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:41,040
does she trust Balamore or more 
worried about Jace or both? 

1885
01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:44,000
Also, Jace is the heir to the 
throne, so you need to be more 

1886
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:46,120
careful with him. 
So but but but again, it's the 

1887
01:31:46,120 --> 01:31:50,000
question of what's the queen and
what's the mother here, right? 

1888
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:52,160
There's a dual role that she 
has, just like everybody else in

1889
01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:54,800
this episode is in the balance 
being apparent with being a 

1890
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:58,560
ruler, which is which is giving 
the orders here or or which is 

1891
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:00,240
taking prominence here. 
I thought that's pretty 

1892
01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:03,120
interesting. 
Yeah, I would say you could make

1893
01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:05,960
an argument either way. 
You could say that Rainier 

1894
01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:10,880
keeping Jace from action right 
then is the sensible ruler 

1895
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:13,160
decision, or you could say that 
that's the mother speaking. 

1896
01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:15,720
You could argue either and I 
would I would agree. 

1897
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:18,520
I don't think one is a slam dunk
decision. 

1898
01:32:18,760 --> 01:32:22,320
What I think you can say is that
she does see Bayla as more 

1899
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:23,920
expendable. 
Quite possibly. 

1900
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:27,080
Baila might also be more 
experienced too, right? 

1901
01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:30,040
I, I, I wish I knew better, but 
when did she claim her dragon 

1902
01:32:30,040 --> 01:32:34,520
versus when Jayce got his? 
How much more time in a cockpit 

1903
01:32:34,520 --> 01:32:37,360
does she have, so to speak? 
They're like the exact same age 

1904
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:38,480
basically, if I remember 
correctly. 

1905
01:32:38,480 --> 01:32:43,320
So it's not, it's not that won't
help this settle this, but yeah,

1906
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:45,280
I think it's possible she was 
dragon Rider first. 

1907
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:47,160
I don't recall. 
I found my head. 

1908
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:50,880
And you can imagine she might 
have pushed harder to impress 

1909
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:53,560
her dad to be a dragon writer, 
like right. 

1910
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:59,480
And I, I, I think that the 
mother is given the command to 

1911
01:32:59,480 --> 01:33:04,400
not let Jase go, but the queen 
has the excuse of you're the 

1912
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:05,520
heir. 
We can't risk it. 

1913
01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:07,440
That's that's. 
Yeah, the two, you can't 

1914
01:33:07,440 --> 01:33:08,800
separate them. 
That's that's a great way to put

1915
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:10,840
it, 'cause you even as much as 
we're trying to separate them, 

1916
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:12,400
you can't. 
They're it's the same individual

1917
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:13,840
making these decisions and we 
don't know. 

1918
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:18,200
She doesn't think she knows as a
mother that someone would argue 

1919
01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:20,160
you're just trying to protect 
him. 

1920
01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:23,680
But she has the excuse as the 
queen of he's the heir, we need 

1921
01:33:23,680 --> 01:33:26,680
to be protective. 
So it's a it's, it's certainly a

1922
01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:30,320
little of each, but it is, it 
makes the decision easy for her.

1923
01:33:30,480 --> 01:33:32,200
Yes. 
I also want to point out just 

1924
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:36,120
how competent capable they are 
showing bailed to be and 

1925
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:39,800
military minded, you know, 
fighting minded in that she made

1926
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:43,200
a lot of shots on these posts. 
She's been practicing, she's 

1927
01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:47,280
been training and she's good. 
She, you know, we have to 

1928
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:50,400
imagine you will see her in 
combat of some sort and see 

1929
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:52,640
these these skills and action. 
How? 

1930
01:33:53,040 --> 01:33:55,120
How could she be in combat? 
She was told to keep her 

1931
01:33:55,120 --> 01:33:59,080
distance. 
Who could know? 

1932
01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:03,400
Who can say? 
I mean, yeah, nothing could 

1933
01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:06,240
possibly go wrong. 
She's not hot headed at all. 

1934
01:34:06,240 --> 01:34:09,160
Her father isn't hot headed. 
Targaryens aren't known to be 

1935
01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:11,520
hot headed. 
That she would never do anything

1936
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:14,400
she's not supposed to do. 
She didn't have a deleted scene 

1937
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:18,560
where she yelled at her aunt for
not being more aggressive about 

1938
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:21,480
the war effort. 
No, not at all. 

1939
01:34:23,440 --> 01:34:26,400
So yeah, her dragon is Moon 
Dancer. 

1940
01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:28,840
Correct. 
Was that moon dancer that we saw

1941
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:31,160
flying that that Adam saw 
flying? 

1942
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:35,040
No, that was sea smoke. 
That was sea smoke. 

1943
01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:37,280
Yes, that was Lanor's dragon who
was mentioned here. 

1944
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:39,160
Jumping ahead, but I was a 
little confused by what was 

1945
01:34:39,160 --> 01:34:41,560
happening in that scene. 
That's OK 'cause Lanor is 

1946
01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:44,700
mentioned in this scene 'cause 
it's, it's Jace's, quote, UN 

1947
01:34:44,700 --> 01:34:46,840
quote father, the cover story 
father. 

1948
01:34:47,080 --> 01:34:49,720
And Bayliss asks, that's her 
uncle. 

1949
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:51,640
Lanor was her uncle. 
She's like, yeah, what about my 

1950
01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:53,000
uncle? 
And Jace is like, yeah, he 

1951
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:54,760
taught us how to fish and he 
like cake. 

1952
01:34:55,480 --> 01:34:57,400
And then she asked about Sir 
Harwin Strong. 

1953
01:34:57,400 --> 01:34:59,720
It's a very touching moment 
where he's like, yeah, he was 

1954
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:01,400
called Break Bones. 
He was fierce. 

1955
01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:02,640
He was. 
We let you know. 

1956
01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:04,480
We think I think he loved me. 
And she's like, of course he 

1957
01:35:04,480 --> 01:35:05,800
loved you. 
It's yeah, he. 

1958
01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:08,960
Was your dad? 
I mean, I mean, we all know he 

1959
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:13,800
was your dad. 
We all my bad. 

1960
01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:16,240
Did I say that out loud? 
I thought I was thinking that 

1961
01:35:16,480 --> 01:35:20,240
they share a moment over Luke 
and it's a good scene. 

1962
01:35:20,240 --> 01:35:23,480
You know, it's like I said, good
to have these two together and I

1963
01:35:23,480 --> 01:35:26,240
hope we get more. 
Let's talk about yeah, let's 

1964
01:35:26,240 --> 01:35:28,600
talk about that little since you
mentioned it, let's talk about 

1965
01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:31,960
Alan and Adam and the little 
moment with sea smoke there, 

1966
01:35:32,360 --> 01:35:36,520
starting with Alan and Adam. 
So this is on the other side of 

1967
01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:39,240
the blockade, right? 
They they're talking about goat 

1968
01:35:39,240 --> 01:35:44,040
Stew and then having food and 
all that, which is a a parallel 

1969
01:35:44,040 --> 01:35:48,560
or a mirror image of the scene 
with Hugh Hammer and Cat, which 

1970
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:50,040
we'll talk about next, where 
they're talking about food 

1971
01:35:50,040 --> 01:35:52,160
starting to go low in the 
blockade because of the 

1972
01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:54,760
blockade. 
So this is life on the opposite 

1973
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:59,080
sides of the blockade and it 
builds on what they talked about

1974
01:35:59,080 --> 01:36:01,360
last time, but it kind of 
deepens the mystery a little 

1975
01:36:01,360 --> 01:36:03,880
bit. 
Allen expresses hesitation in 

1976
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:06,080
sailing with Corley's. 
And Adam says you're come on, 

1977
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:07,840
man. 
It's the best chance you've got 

1978
01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:10,960
to make your claim to make your 
fortune, especially when he get 

1979
01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:12,880
especially given what he owes 
you, especially given what he 

1980
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:15,280
owes us. 
So you can understand the the 

1981
01:36:15,280 --> 01:36:17,880
you 'cause you already, it's 
already been established that 

1982
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:21,480
Allen saved Corley's life. 
But what does he owe them? 

1983
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:24,160
And they're his. 
It's his brother and Alan is a 

1984
01:36:24,160 --> 01:36:27,920
or Adam is a shipwright. 
So what's your latest take on 

1985
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:29,200
this? 
Actually, let me let me ask you 

1986
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:31,840
the latest take on this after we
discussed this quick sea smoke 

1987
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:34,160
scene. 
So he's just grabbing crabs and 

1988
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:37,040
mussels, maybe more stuff for 
his Stew, right? 

1989
01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:40,280
And then the dragon just appears
circling around him. 

1990
01:36:40,720 --> 01:36:43,520
We're left wondering what's on 
his mind and on what's the 

1991
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:45,000
Dragon's mind like? 
What's going on here? 

1992
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:48,320
So give us your takes on both 
Adam and Sea Smoke and Adam and 

1993
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:49,920
Alan and this deepening mystery 
around. 

1994
01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:53,080
And a shout out to the great 
reflective dragon scene. 

1995
01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:55,800
That's how we see the dragon at 
first reflection on the water in

1996
01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:58,560
the sand, which is just a 
stunning moment and shot. 

1997
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:01,280
Hard to really fully capture in 
a screenshot, but just really 

1998
01:37:01,280 --> 01:37:04,120
cool. 
Yeah, I am similarly perplexed 

1999
01:37:04,120 --> 01:37:07,000
as I was last time. 
There's clearly something here 

2000
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:09,880
they're holding back from 
telling us that I is probably 

2001
01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:13,280
going to become integral, if not
central. 

2002
01:37:14,440 --> 01:37:16,520
I thought that. 
Yeah, the the he owes us. 

2003
01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:17,960
I was like, oh, us. 
What are you? 

2004
01:37:18,120 --> 01:37:23,440
What is it did he owes? 
And why is Allen so reluctant to

2005
01:37:23,440 --> 01:37:26,520
claim it? 
And Allen seems to have given a 

2006
01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:29,040
reason. 
He's like, this is war, man. 

2007
01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:31,040
Real war. 
Like this isn't just like we're 

2008
01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:33,280
going to go beat up on some 
pirates. 

2009
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:34,880
This is like a real war is 
coming. 

2010
01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:37,600
And, and I think Adam at one 
point even said this is your 

2011
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:40,000
chance to distinguish yourself. 
And in my mind, before he even 

2012
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:43,720
said that, I was taking note of 
the scars on Allen's face. 

2013
01:37:43,720 --> 01:37:46,240
And when he said like, I think 
this dude has already 

2014
01:37:46,240 --> 01:37:51,480
distinguished himself, you know,
like, and I, I, I'm, I'm hoping,

2015
01:37:51,480 --> 01:37:55,400
you know, I, I, right now, I, I 
feel like I might align myself 

2016
01:37:55,400 --> 01:37:57,440
with this character if he just 
doesn't want to be part of 

2017
01:37:57,440 --> 01:37:59,280
another war. 
I think it's understandable, 

2018
01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:01,920
especially if you've already 
seen a lot of violence and know 

2019
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:04,040
that people are going to die. 
Maybe people close to him have 

2020
01:38:04,040 --> 01:38:08,120
already died and he just look, I
just want to sail a ship and 

2021
01:38:08,120 --> 01:38:11,920
fish and explore. 
I don't want to be mixed up with

2022
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:14,400
violence. 
I think all these Lords fighting

2023
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:17,000
over the throne is nonsense in 
the 1st place and I don't want 

2024
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:17,840
to be part of it. 
I'm. 

2025
01:38:18,440 --> 01:38:20,880
I'm wondering, hoping if that's 
what his angle is. 

2026
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:23,680
And maybe Adam is a little more 
young and naive and hasn't 

2027
01:38:23,680 --> 01:38:26,480
distinguished himself yet. 
And so it looks at work as the 

2028
01:38:26,480 --> 01:38:28,760
chance just like a lot of these 
other characters do. 

2029
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:31,080
And it always frustrates me. 
I think there's. 

2030
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:36,160
Yeah, sometimes when you know 
some terrible injustice has 

2031
01:38:36,160 --> 01:38:38,520
occurred and you need to, you 
know, it. 

2032
01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:40,640
It comes to violence I get, but 
I don't. 

2033
01:38:41,440 --> 01:38:43,640
I don't know if this war is over
a terrible injustice. 

2034
01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:46,560
This is about the rich getting 
richer. 

2035
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:48,360
You know what? 
I mean. 

2036
01:38:48,480 --> 01:38:51,520
Rich people over who should be 
the top rich person and everyone

2037
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:53,280
else is getting sucked into a 
war over it so. 

2038
01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:55,360
Agree. 
That's a very good point. 

2039
01:38:55,360 --> 01:38:56,600
Yeah. 
So you or you can see why you 

2040
01:38:56,600 --> 01:38:58,040
don't want people to to join 
this. 

2041
01:38:58,040 --> 01:39:00,320
Don't be a part of this awful 
scenario. 

2042
01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:01,720
Like, why? 
Why would you do that? 

2043
01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:04,200
Yeah, good take. 
I appreciate that. 

2044
01:39:04,200 --> 01:39:06,440
And yeah, they'll, this, this 
plot line continues to build and

2045
01:39:06,440 --> 01:39:09,600
we'll continue to to ask you 
questions about it, see what 

2046
01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:12,520
your take is 'cause we're, we're
very, we, we have of course know

2047
01:39:12,520 --> 01:39:14,720
a lot about where it's going, 
but I like the way they've kept 

2048
01:39:14,720 --> 01:39:16,560
this hidden. 
It'll enables us to quiz you 

2049
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:20,600
and, and see how it looks to a 
show only person. 

2050
01:39:21,160 --> 01:39:23,920
You're not technically a show 
only person, but you are show 

2051
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:27,360
only for House of the Dragon. 
OK. 

2052
01:39:27,360 --> 01:39:29,560
So, yeah, like I said, the other
side of the blockade, Hugh 

2053
01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:32,440
Hammer and his wife Kat, We 
actually see Kat during the 

2054
01:39:32,440 --> 01:39:33,960
procession. 
She's one of the people that we 

2055
01:39:33,960 --> 01:39:38,840
see in the crowd, and that's 
kind of neat because you might 

2056
01:39:38,840 --> 01:39:41,320
not have seen that otherwise. 
It's a very deep cut, right? 

2057
01:39:41,320 --> 01:39:43,520
She's right there. 
You can see the flowers passing 

2058
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:48,040
by and part part of the little 
procession. 

2059
01:39:48,760 --> 01:39:50,640
Technically in the behind the 
scenes, like they, yeah. 

2060
01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:52,560
They said yeah, they were 
dropping hops, yeah. 

2061
01:39:52,560 --> 01:39:54,120
That's right. 
You call it flowers there, and 

2062
01:39:54,120 --> 01:39:55,880
maybe it's meant to have that 
effect, but it's hops. 

2063
01:39:56,040 --> 01:39:58,040
Oh, I was referring to the 
flowers on the corner there. 

2064
01:39:58,040 --> 01:40:01,160
The left on the. 
On the actual yeah, I thought 

2065
01:40:01,160 --> 01:40:02,640
you meant the debris flying 
about. 

2066
01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:04,240
Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned the
debris though 'cause I would 

2067
01:40:04,240 --> 01:40:06,880
have forgotten to say that. 
Yeah, that's what the that's 

2068
01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:08,240
what Claire Kellner, the 
director said. 

2069
01:40:08,240 --> 01:40:10,800
That was it was they just, yeah,
they let made that drop down 

2070
01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:13,160
like A to make create that sort 
of dreamy effect. 

2071
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:16,760
And maybe this was meant to be a
little bit of a parallel to the 

2072
01:40:16,760 --> 01:40:20,680
little dust motes in front of 
the light of the window at 

2073
01:40:20,680 --> 01:40:25,040
Dragonstone. 
So Kat expresses fear that 

2074
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:27,360
things are going to get worse 
quickly because the rich are 

2075
01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:28,920
beginning to hoard because 
people are afraid. 

2076
01:40:29,480 --> 01:40:34,080
And he's like, you know, that's 
a bad thing to do. 

2077
01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:37,880
And she says, well, we might be 
doing that too if we had the 

2078
01:40:37,880 --> 01:40:40,600
money, you know, like if we had 
more money, we would probably be

2079
01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:43,720
hoarding as well. 
And it's a really interesting 

2080
01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:48,920
commentary on power and what 
people do when they're 

2081
01:40:48,920 --> 01:40:50,760
desperate. 
And it's like, yeah, you do. 

2082
01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:54,200
People do look to themselves and
they're not necessarily all high

2083
01:40:54,200 --> 01:40:57,400
minded and thinking of of their 
communities. 

2084
01:40:57,400 --> 01:40:59,080
Some people do absolutely, some 
people do. 

2085
01:40:59,080 --> 01:41:03,840
But sometimes the, the, the 
wave, the churn, the, the events

2086
01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:07,480
from outside are just too much 
that you, it puts you in an 

2087
01:41:07,480 --> 01:41:10,080
every person, every family, 
every man for themselves type 

2088
01:41:10,080 --> 01:41:12,160
scenario. 
And I think that's what seems to

2089
01:41:12,160 --> 01:41:13,840
be building or looking towards 
that. 

2090
01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:16,840
And they're afraid of that 
coming and what will happen if 

2091
01:41:16,840 --> 01:41:20,280
it does. 
Their daughter is sick and 

2092
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:22,760
they're not sure Aegon will keep
his promise about paying them 

2093
01:41:22,760 --> 01:41:24,960
well in advance and all that. 
There's also a little bit of 

2094
01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:27,480
basic supply and demand, not 
purely hoarding. 

2095
01:41:27,480 --> 01:41:30,720
Like if the person that has 
chickens used to hatch enough 

2096
01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:35,120
chickens each day to sell 5 
chickens to five people, but now

2097
01:41:35,400 --> 01:41:38,840
they don't like the the chickens
and the eggs that were coming in

2098
01:41:39,240 --> 01:41:41,080
have been limited by the 
blockade. 

2099
01:41:41,480 --> 01:41:44,280
So now, well, five people came a
day for chickens will only have 

2100
01:41:44,280 --> 01:41:46,280
three. 
And the next day seven people 

2101
01:41:46,280 --> 01:41:48,440
come because they're not finding
another place but only have two.

2102
01:41:48,440 --> 01:41:51,280
Like they could sell for the 
same price, but eventually they 

2103
01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:52,440
just don't have any more 
chickens. 

2104
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:56,360
And the reason they're charging 
more is because the carrots cost

2105
01:41:56,360 --> 01:41:58,800
more for the goat Stew also. 
So I need more money for my 

2106
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:00,040
chickens in order to get my 
carrots. 

2107
01:42:00,040 --> 01:42:03,280
And like everyone, it's, it's 
going to like get to a tipping 

2108
01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:04,840
point of where we're not 
charging more. 

2109
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:07,000
We don't have food. 
That's what's going to happen. 

2110
01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:09,880
And absolutely the the the riot 
scenes that are coming. 

2111
01:42:10,280 --> 01:42:12,920
Here it very much could be and I
I agree with what you're saying.

2112
01:42:12,920 --> 01:42:16,840
There's this cooperation between
the two forces of supply and 

2113
01:42:16,840 --> 01:42:21,520
demand and also price gouging. 
Those two things go together. 

2114
01:42:21,520 --> 01:42:26,840
Whenever there's natural price 
inflation, people also take 

2115
01:42:26,840 --> 01:42:28,840
advantage. 
The two things are always found 

2116
01:42:28,840 --> 01:42:31,440
together, and that is probably 
happening here as well. 

2117
01:42:31,560 --> 01:42:35,520
We shall see. 
Talking about, well, going back 

2118
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:39,680
to Dragonstone and talking about
Rainier and Mazaria. 

2119
01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:43,960
This scene begins with Rainier 
alone, looking at books and the 

2120
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:46,520
lore porn. 
Good Lord, I want them scrolls. 

2121
01:42:46,520 --> 01:42:48,960
I want access to this library. 
Gimme. 

2122
01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:50,520
Look at that. 
That is some cool stuff. 

2123
01:42:50,760 --> 01:42:53,200
You got a book there? 
She's looking at a book about 

2124
01:42:53,200 --> 01:42:56,080
Vicenia. 
And that's interesting for a 

2125
01:42:56,080 --> 01:42:58,360
couple of reasons. 
It's already established that 

2126
01:42:58,360 --> 01:43:01,480
Rainiera is interested in 
Vicenia as an ancestor. 

2127
01:43:01,960 --> 01:43:05,560
Season one, episode one, What 
did she want her new baby 

2128
01:43:05,880 --> 01:43:08,000
brother or sister to be? 
While she was hoping it would be

2129
01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:11,680
a sister named Vicenia, right? 
Her dad expected a boy named 

2130
01:43:11,680 --> 01:43:13,640
Balon, but she's like, Nah, it's
going to be a girl named 

2131
01:43:13,640 --> 01:43:15,040
Vicenia. 
And then when she had her own 

2132
01:43:15,040 --> 01:43:19,160
girl who died stillborn and 
deformed, what was she? 

2133
01:43:19,160 --> 01:43:21,280
What did she name it? 
Vicenya. 

2134
01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:23,160
So this is definitely, this is 
her. 

2135
01:43:23,160 --> 01:43:26,200
This is her Targaryen. 
She's enamored of Vicenya. 

2136
01:43:26,840 --> 01:43:29,920
Doesn't bode well if she 
actually starts behaving like 

2137
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:32,280
Vicenya. 
Vicenya is not like Rainier, not

2138
01:43:32,280 --> 01:43:33,800
book Rainier or not show 
Rainier. 

2139
01:43:33,800 --> 01:43:36,960
She's a little bit more like 
Book Rainier, but Vesenia was a 

2140
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:38,560
hardliner who ruled through 
fear. 

2141
01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:40,600
Getting her hair braided a 
little bit later. 

2142
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:43,320
Just like Vesenia gets her hair.
Wears her hair in a braid. 

2143
01:43:43,320 --> 01:43:46,720
In the scene when Raniera is is 
getting assassinated, she's 

2144
01:43:46,720 --> 01:43:48,720
getting her hair braided by a 
Linda Massey there. 

2145
01:43:48,960 --> 01:43:50,480
But she's rejecting. 
She's like, no, don't. 

2146
01:43:50,480 --> 01:43:52,000
She walks away. 
It's kind of weird. 

2147
01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:55,600
How she gets weird from it too. 
That was another note that I 

2148
01:43:55,600 --> 01:43:57,280
took. 
They bothered to show us that 

2149
01:43:57,280 --> 01:43:59,400
and gave us the name of that 
handmaiden. 

2150
01:43:59,440 --> 01:44:00,400
Yeah, Linda. 
Yeah. 

2151
01:44:01,360 --> 01:44:02,800
Yeah. 
It's Elinda Massey. 

2152
01:44:02,800 --> 01:44:04,520
Elinda. 
Elinda Massey 'cause there's a a

2153
01:44:04,520 --> 01:44:06,880
Lord Gorman Massey. 
She's the daughter of one of 

2154
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:09,520
Rainier's Lords. 
Is is is is one of her 

2155
01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:11,200
handmaidens. 
The Massey's are in A Song of 

2156
01:44:11,200 --> 01:44:13,800
Ice and Fire too. 
Remember, Justin Massey is one 

2157
01:44:13,800 --> 01:44:16,680
of Stanis's men, the one who 
tries to marry Asha and, and, 

2158
01:44:16,960 --> 01:44:20,560
and Stanis is like, maybe go get
me the cell sort company. 

2159
01:44:20,560 --> 01:44:24,240
And then maybe a lot of people 
think Justin Massey's going to 

2160
01:44:24,240 --> 01:44:27,120
be the one who runs into Aria 
over there in Essos anyway, 

2161
01:44:27,640 --> 01:44:29,520
bringing it back over to 
Dragonstone. 

2162
01:44:30,960 --> 01:44:35,960
So yeah, Vesenia is not a good 
person for Rainier to emulate, 

2163
01:44:35,960 --> 01:44:40,280
at least not in that sense. 
She wasn't compromising. 

2164
01:44:40,280 --> 01:44:41,680
You know? 
Rainier is, at least for now, 

2165
01:44:41,680 --> 01:44:43,760
but maybe that'll change. 
One person she's very 

2166
01:44:43,760 --> 01:44:47,760
compromising with, she's 
certainly open to and handles 

2167
01:44:47,800 --> 01:44:50,040
Mazzara in a way that I doubt 
Vesenia would have. 

2168
01:44:51,400 --> 01:44:54,640
Mazzara isn't fully honest with 
Rainier, but she doesn't tell 

2169
01:44:54,640 --> 01:44:56,320
any big lies. 
She certainly doesn't tell any 

2170
01:44:56,320 --> 01:44:58,200
lies that would harm right in 
here I don't think. 

2171
01:44:58,200 --> 01:45:00,120
She's mostly just trying to save
her own skin and just trying to 

2172
01:45:00,120 --> 01:45:03,880
downplay the things that might 
get her executed, which is 

2173
01:45:03,880 --> 01:45:06,440
pretty understandable. 
And she has no one else to 

2174
01:45:06,440 --> 01:45:08,440
protect. 
This is makes her very unique in

2175
01:45:08,440 --> 01:45:14,400
this entire setting for now is 
that she doesn't have a family. 

2176
01:45:14,400 --> 01:45:15,760
She doesn't know. 
She knows she's lost her 

2177
01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:18,000
position. 
She lost her house, her home as 

2178
01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:19,880
she put it, something. 
She built it very slowly. 

2179
01:45:19,880 --> 01:45:24,400
So she has like very little 
attachments, no people that 

2180
01:45:24,400 --> 01:45:27,200
she's looking out for anymore. 
She kind of was looking out for 

2181
01:45:27,200 --> 01:45:29,640
the small King's Landing, but 
now she's like, well, I, I have 

2182
01:45:29,640 --> 01:45:31,840
no ability to do anything for 
them. 

2183
01:45:32,640 --> 01:45:36,720
So she's a little aimless, not 
to be confused with feckless 

2184
01:45:36,720 --> 01:45:41,200
because she is definitely 
effective but doesn't and 

2185
01:45:41,200 --> 01:45:42,640
doesn't know what to do. 
And she's worried about being 

2186
01:45:42,640 --> 01:45:45,200
executed here. 
So she sort of figures out that 

2187
01:45:45,200 --> 01:45:47,920
Rainier is not such a bloody 
person. 

2188
01:45:47,920 --> 01:45:51,160
Not so bad as all that. 
She's not Otto. 

2189
01:45:51,320 --> 01:45:54,480
She's not Damon. 
She starts to realize that 

2190
01:45:54,480 --> 01:45:56,320
actually, there's a there's an 
opportunity here. 

2191
01:45:56,440 --> 01:45:58,400
Rainier mentions a few things 
about Damon. 

2192
01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:00,920
She kind of asks a few questions
about Damon, and she uses that 

2193
01:46:00,920 --> 01:46:04,400
to kind of make herself on 
Rainier's side. 

2194
01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:05,720
She's like, yeah, he does that, 
doesn't he? 

2195
01:46:06,320 --> 01:46:09,160
Like I'm on your side. 
Like Damon did that to me too, 

2196
01:46:09,160 --> 01:46:10,520
you know? 
Like he, she's got all these 

2197
01:46:10,520 --> 01:46:12,360
things she can say that's like, 
oh, I've been through. 

2198
01:46:12,360 --> 01:46:14,720
I've been there too. 
You know, he did that to me. 

2199
01:46:14,920 --> 01:46:17,760
I've seen him behave like that. 
We've got things in common. 

2200
01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:20,400
You know, she's not saying it 
like that, but that's the 

2201
01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:22,080
message. 
She's she's much more, she's too

2202
01:46:22,080 --> 01:46:23,800
clever to just come out and say 
it like that. 

2203
01:46:24,280 --> 01:46:27,320
But it's a very well done. 
The dialogue is clever and the 

2204
01:46:27,320 --> 01:46:29,160
way she just broaches this 
subject. 

2205
01:46:29,440 --> 01:46:31,520
And then right here it looks at 
her in the scene that O'shea's 

2206
01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:35,120
got up on screen right now. 
This is when she says, you 

2207
01:46:35,120 --> 01:46:37,920
Remember Me now, 'cause she's 
not going to volunteer that. 

2208
01:46:37,920 --> 01:46:39,120
She's not going to volunteer 
that. 

2209
01:46:39,120 --> 01:46:43,400
Hey, I was the one that Damon 
used as a pawn to say she was 

2210
01:46:43,400 --> 01:46:44,720
pregnant. 
And she's like, she see, now she

2211
01:46:44,720 --> 01:46:47,400
has to convince her like, yeah, 
not everyone found that joke 

2212
01:46:47,400 --> 01:46:50,280
funny, 'cause which this she's 
honest about, right? 

2213
01:46:50,280 --> 01:46:54,600
She was not happy, but she tore 
Damon a second butthole after he

2214
01:46:55,080 --> 01:46:57,040
did that whole, yeah, she's 
pregnant thing. 

2215
01:46:57,040 --> 01:46:59,280
She's like you. 
It's very similar to what the 

2216
01:46:59,280 --> 01:47:03,040
Madam says to Amon's like you. 
You did not consider the 

2217
01:47:03,040 --> 01:47:05,680
consequences to me when you made
that lie. 

2218
01:47:05,680 --> 01:47:08,400
You will not suffer for making 
that lie about me. 

2219
01:47:08,480 --> 01:47:11,280
I might suffer. 
They might kill me because you 

2220
01:47:11,560 --> 01:47:13,400
make it sound like I'm carrying 
a prince's child. 

2221
01:47:13,400 --> 01:47:15,320
You won't suffer for that. 
They won't kill you, but they 

2222
01:47:15,320 --> 01:47:18,440
might kill me. 
So yeah, when Princess lose 

2223
01:47:18,440 --> 01:47:20,480
their temper, the commoners 
suffer. 

2224
01:47:20,480 --> 01:47:23,600
And she's realized this. 
She realized that she was 

2225
01:47:23,600 --> 01:47:25,080
playing a game that she 
shouldn't. 

2226
01:47:25,640 --> 01:47:29,800
She got too far in, got burned. 
Which is the same realization 

2227
01:47:29,800 --> 01:47:31,000
right Near was having about 
Damon. 

2228
01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:34,400
She's like, when I was young, I 
took your your lack of attention

2229
01:47:34,400 --> 01:47:36,640
as a challenge. 
Like like a lot of young women 

2230
01:47:36,640 --> 01:47:38,960
like trying to get the the boy 
to pay attention to her. 

2231
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:40,760
Like, obviously boys do that too
to girls. 

2232
01:47:40,760 --> 01:47:44,480
But as an adult, she's like, I 
took that as a challenge, but 

2233
01:47:44,480 --> 01:47:47,560
now I have challenges enough and
she's done with that. 

2234
01:47:47,560 --> 01:47:50,800
And Mazar is kind of yeah, they 
do have a lot in common. 

2235
01:47:50,960 --> 01:47:53,120
She's clever about getting 
really here to see that, but she

2236
01:47:53,120 --> 01:47:55,440
had to be clever to do it in a 
way that wasn't offensive, that 

2237
01:47:55,440 --> 01:48:00,680
wasn't like, yeah, we we're so 
close without being a worm, a 

2238
01:48:00,680 --> 01:48:04,000
white worm, you know? 
I couldn't decide if she was 

2239
01:48:04,440 --> 01:48:07,760
digging on purpose or maybe, or 
if Renera took it this way at 

2240
01:48:07,760 --> 01:48:09,320
all. 
But when she was like, you know,

2241
01:48:09,320 --> 01:48:11,720
I used to want to be of 
consequence, but now I realize I

2242
01:48:11,720 --> 01:48:14,160
just can't. 
Damon Otto, they're never going 

2243
01:48:14,160 --> 01:48:17,400
to accept me. 
Is Renira thinking the same 

2244
01:48:17,400 --> 01:48:20,680
thing? 
Yeah, I think Rainiera, Rainiera

2245
01:48:20,680 --> 01:48:23,120
is definitely thinking that. 
I think the question for me is 

2246
01:48:23,120 --> 01:48:26,520
whether, when Mazzaria says 
that, whether she is choosing 

2247
01:48:26,520 --> 01:48:29,760
her words carefully to needle in
to Rainiera. 

2248
01:48:30,200 --> 01:48:33,000
I think there's no question that
it resonates with Rainier and 

2249
01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:34,400
what she's going through right 
now. 

2250
01:48:34,400 --> 01:48:37,200
But I don't know if Mazzaria 
knew that she was speaking so 

2251
01:48:37,200 --> 01:48:38,160
truly. 
I think she did. 

2252
01:48:38,160 --> 01:48:40,680
I think she did. 
Yeah, she's saying you need more

2253
01:48:40,960 --> 01:48:43,600
people like me as your ally or 
something like that. 

2254
01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:46,920
If not me, you need people who 
are also in this position. 

2255
01:48:46,920 --> 01:48:50,680
Who who are on who are outsiders
to the patriarchy. 

2256
01:48:51,320 --> 01:48:55,960
So they aren't going to just 
jump ship for it if it comes 

2257
01:48:55,960 --> 01:48:57,560
around again. 
Like like we talked about with 

2258
01:48:57,560 --> 01:49:00,160
Otto and Allison, Otto didn't 
realize he was being misogynist 

2259
01:49:00,160 --> 01:49:02,360
towards his own daughter by 
undermining her power in front 

2260
01:49:02,360 --> 01:49:03,800
of their sons. 
And once he once he pointed out 

2261
01:49:03,800 --> 01:49:06,080
to him, he's like, to his 
credit, he's like, yeah, you're 

2262
01:49:06,080 --> 01:49:07,800
right. 
Oh, I won't do that anymore. 

2263
01:49:08,120 --> 01:49:10,360
And this is kind of a similar 
kind of conversation. 

2264
01:49:10,360 --> 01:49:13,840
She's like, look, these men will
not listen to you, Maybe I will.

2265
01:49:14,960 --> 01:49:19,440
Follow up question when Renera 
asked where she got that scar? 

2266
01:49:20,480 --> 01:49:21,920
With those on, it was answered 
right. 

2267
01:49:21,920 --> 01:49:24,240
Isn't that interesting? 
I was in the wake of her saying 

2268
01:49:24,240 --> 01:49:26,240
I I might as well stayed a 
whore, right? 

2269
01:49:26,240 --> 01:49:28,480
Like these men are never going 
to have really respect me. 

2270
01:49:28,480 --> 01:49:29,680
I might as well just stayed as 
whore. 

2271
01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:31,080
And then she's like, where'd you
get that scar? 

2272
01:49:31,600 --> 01:49:37,520
Was that as a result of being a 
whore, or was that did did Damon

2273
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:39,280
do that to her? 
Is that what we're supposed to 

2274
01:49:39,280 --> 01:49:40,680
get here? 
I don't know. 

2275
01:49:40,680 --> 01:49:42,720
I really do not know what that 
was supposed to tell us. 

2276
01:49:42,720 --> 01:49:45,040
I think those are both valid 
interpretations, but I wouldn't 

2277
01:49:45,240 --> 01:49:47,800
I, I'm so unsure that I wouldn't
be able to like, yeah, that's 

2278
01:49:47,800 --> 01:49:49,520
got to be it. 
I really don't know. 

2279
01:49:49,520 --> 01:49:52,920
But I think it might be partly 
like it's it's it's not yeah, 

2280
01:49:52,920 --> 01:49:54,920
it's, it's something that 
happened to her personally and 

2281
01:49:54,920 --> 01:49:57,360
it's it's, you know, I'm, I 
could be a political ally, but 

2282
01:49:57,360 --> 01:49:59,720
we're not, we're not that kind 
of close, you know, we're not 

2283
01:49:59,720 --> 01:50:00,600
friends. 
I don't know. 

2284
01:50:00,600 --> 01:50:01,640
I. 
Didn't even piece it together. 

2285
01:50:01,640 --> 01:50:04,760
So we're talking about just now,
but it Renera did say that did 

2286
01:50:04,760 --> 01:50:07,840
kind of snap back with that when
she was saying like, you know, 

2287
01:50:08,080 --> 01:50:10,080
what's the point of trying to be
of consequence? 

2288
01:50:10,080 --> 01:50:11,840
These men are never going to 
matter anyway. 

2289
01:50:12,160 --> 01:50:14,840
And I went, if that's Renera 
trying to separate herself from 

2290
01:50:14,840 --> 01:50:19,360
Azaria, like I'm a Targaryen, 
I'll get these men to listen to 

2291
01:50:19,360 --> 01:50:20,760
me. 
Where'd you get that scar? 

2292
01:50:20,760 --> 01:50:23,880
You're just a whore like a but. 
But in the end she comes back 

2293
01:50:23,880 --> 01:50:26,160
and says, my bad, I'm going to 
let you go, right. 

2294
01:50:26,160 --> 01:50:28,200
So. 
My guess is that it was a 

2295
01:50:28,200 --> 01:50:32,160
slavery scar that Mazzaria was 
raised in slavery collar or 

2296
01:50:32,160 --> 01:50:35,120
something to that regard. 
She was an, you know, a former 

2297
01:50:35,120 --> 01:50:36,120
slave. 
That would that would just be my

2298
01:50:36,120 --> 01:50:39,440
call on what a a neck scar like 
that would mean. 

2299
01:50:39,440 --> 01:50:41,520
Like when you have a slave 
collar that's too tight 

2300
01:50:41,520 --> 01:50:43,440
consistently, you know, it just.
I don't know. 

2301
01:50:43,960 --> 01:50:45,840
Yeah, that's what I think. 
I've seen other people say it 

2302
01:50:45,840 --> 01:50:48,160
too. 
But it's, I'm wondering, not 

2303
01:50:48,400 --> 01:50:51,800
partly, you know, where did this
car come from, but also why was 

2304
01:50:51,800 --> 01:50:54,480
that renere's report in that 
moment? 

2305
01:50:54,760 --> 01:50:56,680
Does that make sense? 
Yeah, I wish they had talked 

2306
01:50:56,680 --> 01:50:58,720
about it at the BTS, but they 
didn't because that was a scene.

2307
01:50:58,720 --> 01:51:00,880
I was hoping they'd clarify 
more, but for now I don't know. 

2308
01:51:00,880 --> 01:51:03,160
We'll have to come back. 
If y'all have takes on it, let 

2309
01:51:03,160 --> 01:51:06,120
us know. 
We're very open to it because we

2310
01:51:06,120 --> 01:51:10,440
don't have much ourselves. 
Now another little part of this 

2311
01:51:11,000 --> 01:51:14,840
is perhaps in reference to the 
scar is we learn, or maybe we 

2312
01:51:14,840 --> 01:51:16,640
learned this a while ago. 
I just learned it. 

2313
01:51:17,200 --> 01:51:21,000
She's from ET, not from Lise, 
which the book version of hers 

2314
01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:24,000
from. 
So of course both Lise and ET 

2315
01:51:24,080 --> 01:51:26,920
have slavery. 
So that doesn't actually give us

2316
01:51:26,920 --> 01:51:30,120
any additional clue, but it does
fit the the knowledge there. 

2317
01:51:30,320 --> 01:51:34,040
So yeah, she thinks about it a 
while off page I or off screen, 

2318
01:51:34,040 --> 01:51:35,440
I guess, and then decides to 
release her. 

2319
01:51:35,440 --> 01:51:40,040
It's nice timing because 
obviously this leads to the Eric

2320
01:51:40,040 --> 01:51:45,080
Aurek tie in which, you know, 
was pretty somewhat vague but 

2321
01:51:45,240 --> 01:51:49,560
clarified that yes, Mazzaria is 
a big reason why Aurek was 

2322
01:51:49,560 --> 01:51:51,880
caught. 
But again, more on that on 

2323
01:51:52,360 --> 01:51:54,560
Wednesday. 
She's given a birth on a ship 

2324
01:51:54,560 --> 01:51:57,040
called the Corwin, which is a 
nice little detail. 

2325
01:51:57,040 --> 01:52:02,400
Corwin was an earlier Valaria, 
not a Lord Valarian. 

2326
01:52:02,400 --> 01:52:06,800
He was the son of Damon Valarian
who was Aegon's first master 

2327
01:52:06,800 --> 01:52:12,560
ships and he died before Damon 
and there's a if I remember 

2328
01:52:12,560 --> 01:52:13,960
correctly. 
Either way he wasn't the Lord. 

2329
01:52:13,960 --> 01:52:18,760
And there's also, of course, a 
nod to Corwin of the 9 Princess 

2330
01:52:18,760 --> 01:52:21,200
and Amber series by Rodger 
Zelazny, which George R Martin 

2331
01:52:21,200 --> 01:52:23,400
is a huge fan of, and Corwin is 
the main character. 

2332
01:52:23,600 --> 01:52:27,280
I I think in the at least in the
show Canon, Corwin is Coralis 

2333
01:52:27,480 --> 01:52:29,160
and Veyman's father. 
Oh really? 

2334
01:52:29,160 --> 01:52:33,000
I believe I I I just again for 
House of the Dragons show Canon.

2335
01:52:33,000 --> 01:52:36,600
I think Coralis and Veyman, 
Yeah, their father was Corwin 

2336
01:52:36,600 --> 01:52:37,640
Valarian. 
I do. 

2337
01:52:37,800 --> 01:52:40,560
Believe, I think in book cannon 
we don't know who they're. 

2338
01:52:40,560 --> 01:52:42,880
Father, I think that's correct, 
I think, but I think they 

2339
01:52:42,880 --> 01:52:44,960
clarified that for the show 
Cannon. 

2340
01:52:45,240 --> 01:52:49,400
Yeah, cool. 
So that's that for now. 

2341
01:52:49,840 --> 01:52:53,400
It turns out, by the way, that 
line in episode one where Mazari

2342
01:52:53,400 --> 01:52:56,640
says to Eric, last time we met, 
there were two of you. 

2343
01:52:56,640 --> 01:52:59,880
That was foreshadowing. 
It looks like Yep, because there

2344
01:52:59,880 --> 01:53:00,920
was like, wait, there's two of 
you. 

2345
01:53:01,440 --> 01:53:03,320
That's not that's wrong. 
There shouldn't be two of you. 

2346
01:53:03,560 --> 01:53:06,120
As I mean, she probably would 
have, she would have known about

2347
01:53:06,120 --> 01:53:08,880
these, these twin Kingsguard 
probably. 

2348
01:53:09,120 --> 01:53:11,800
But I think it's important that 
she had had those interactions 

2349
01:53:11,800 --> 01:53:14,920
with him, because I think 
Mazzaria knows enough that she, 

2350
01:53:15,240 --> 01:53:17,480
even if she'd never met those 
two, she might have. 

2351
01:53:17,880 --> 01:53:19,080
She would know who the 
Kingsguard are. 

2352
01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:22,880
But it's extra significant to 
her that she she actually has a 

2353
01:53:22,880 --> 01:53:24,560
connection to either to both of 
them. 

2354
01:53:24,880 --> 01:53:26,560
I agree it was pretty well set 
up. 

2355
01:53:26,560 --> 01:53:28,760
They weren't just Missouri and 
these two people just recognize 

2356
01:53:28,760 --> 01:53:30,040
them. 
They had scenes together last 

2357
01:53:30,040 --> 01:53:32,120
season, especially during 
episode 9. 

2358
01:53:32,360 --> 01:53:35,080
Can I say the little tidbit? 
I, I think I teased it before to

2359
01:53:35,080 --> 01:53:37,600
people that when we get our 
Screener access, they tell you 

2360
01:53:37,600 --> 01:53:40,600
like what not to talk about. 
And one of the things they said 

2361
01:53:40,600 --> 01:53:45,720
not to talk about was that 
Mazaria tells Eric about Eric 

2362
01:53:45,720 --> 01:53:47,760
being there. 
And I was kind of appreciative 

2363
01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:49,560
that they did that 'cause I 
could have seen it being a 

2364
01:53:49,560 --> 01:53:54,200
slight argument of a moment of 
discussion between a lot of 

2365
01:53:54,200 --> 01:53:55,600
folk, but it's just really 
clear. 

2366
01:53:56,440 --> 01:53:58,600
Yeah, they make it very clear 
that's that's definitely what 

2367
01:53:58,600 --> 01:54:01,080
happened. 
OK, so let's talk about Aymond 

2368
01:54:01,080 --> 01:54:03,880
at the brothel. 
As we guessed, this is where he 

2369
01:54:03,880 --> 01:54:06,560
was when the blood and cheese 
scene happened. 

2370
01:54:06,720 --> 01:54:11,000
This is Madame Sylvie, as Ashay 
clarified earlier, and big Damon

2371
01:54:11,000 --> 01:54:13,760
energy in the scene. 
This is some callbacks to season

2372
01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:16,120
one, episode one, when Damon and
Mazzari have their first scene 

2373
01:54:16,120 --> 01:54:19,000
together. 
There's this kind of stunted 

2374
01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:21,200
sexuality. 
Damon, of course, just can't 

2375
01:54:21,800 --> 01:54:24,480
keep it hard. 
Where Amon's not really 

2376
01:54:24,480 --> 01:54:27,680
interested in sex, in this scene
at least, it's more about being 

2377
01:54:27,680 --> 01:54:30,480
mothered. 
It's like she he's getting the 

2378
01:54:30,480 --> 01:54:33,600
affection that he can't get from
his own family. 

2379
01:54:33,600 --> 01:54:36,400
Something we've discussed at 
length in this episode, how they

2380
01:54:36,400 --> 01:54:40,040
have that kind of dysfunction 
and it but it doesn't end there 

2381
01:54:40,040 --> 01:54:43,040
either. 
He's confessing things that 

2382
01:54:43,320 --> 01:54:46,000
getting things off his mind and 
that's healthy. 

2383
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:47,320
Like this is what Allison can't 
do. 

2384
01:54:47,320 --> 01:54:48,400
This is what Allison wanted to 
do. 

2385
01:54:48,400 --> 01:54:50,440
She wanted to unburden herself 
and have a confession. 

2386
01:54:50,800 --> 01:54:55,080
And this is what Amond is doing.
And it's it's probably helping 

2387
01:54:55,080 --> 01:54:57,480
his mental health. 
He admits that he didn't mean to

2388
01:54:57,480 --> 01:55:00,000
kill Luke. 
He says Luke, he doesn't say 

2389
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:02,120
Prince Luceries. 
He doesn't use a formal title. 

2390
01:55:02,400 --> 01:55:07,960
He uses the familiar name, which
I think is a good way of having 

2391
01:55:07,960 --> 01:55:10,200
him express some guilt. 
Like he he does feel bad. 

2392
01:55:10,200 --> 01:55:12,040
He says I feel bad about I lost 
my temper. 

2393
01:55:12,040 --> 01:55:15,840
It reminds us how much he grew 
up with with Luke that these two

2394
01:55:15,840 --> 01:55:18,640
boys like were knew each other 
well enough that he used a 

2395
01:55:18,640 --> 01:55:22,000
nickname for him. 
Yeah, and there's this great 

2396
01:55:22,000 --> 01:55:24,520
parallel. 
Just like Damon believes Viserys

2397
01:55:24,520 --> 01:55:27,600
feared him and that's why he put
Rainier in in, you know, over 

2398
01:55:27,600 --> 01:55:30,280
him. 
Damon now believes Damon fears 

2399
01:55:30,280 --> 01:55:32,680
him because he's, oh, you 
thought so much of me. 

2400
01:55:32,680 --> 01:55:35,040
He sent assassins kill me. 
Like, if you knew how 

2401
01:55:35,040 --> 01:55:38,320
incompetent those assassins 
were, you might not be so puffed

2402
01:55:38,320 --> 01:55:41,480
up on the old ego there. 
He sees himself as this big 

2403
01:55:41,480 --> 01:55:43,360
military target, which is 
accurate. 

2404
01:55:43,360 --> 01:55:46,720
He is a big military target. 
The writer of Veigar is a big 

2405
01:55:46,720 --> 01:55:49,680
deal, as Otto reminded him, 
while simultaneously trying to 

2406
01:55:49,680 --> 01:55:53,960
like, draw his ego down by also 
separating him from his brother.

2407
01:55:55,160 --> 01:55:59,880
But so it's true, Damon really 
was as well in the first episode

2408
01:55:59,880 --> 01:56:01,920
saying, yeah, let's go get 
Veigar. 

2409
01:56:01,920 --> 01:56:05,040
He he said Veigar and her rider,
He didn't even call Amon by 

2410
01:56:05,040 --> 01:56:08,520
name. 
But Amon is wrong in that this 

2411
01:56:08,520 --> 01:56:11,960
was a military strike. 
This was out of revenge, out of 

2412
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:14,320
the caged animal finally being 
released and allowed to do 

2413
01:56:14,320 --> 01:56:18,080
something, not out of strategy, 
certainly not out of fear. 

2414
01:56:18,080 --> 01:56:20,440
That's the that's very far down 
the list. 

2415
01:56:20,440 --> 01:56:22,800
No one, no one here was was 
doing this because they were 

2416
01:56:22,800 --> 01:56:25,040
afraid of Amon. 
So his ego's getting bigger. 

2417
01:56:25,040 --> 01:56:28,120
It's already kind of big, you 
know, And we've it's, it's 

2418
01:56:28,120 --> 01:56:31,280
tempered by these childhood 
anxieties and quote the Caprice 

2419
01:56:31,280 --> 01:56:34,280
of youth, as it was said last 
episode. 

2420
01:56:35,440 --> 01:56:41,040
Now we discussed separately how 
Jaharis's death can impact the 

2421
01:56:41,040 --> 01:56:45,200
succession, whether Eamond or 
Jahara is now next in line. 

2422
01:56:45,840 --> 01:56:47,440
But this episode doesn't address
that. 

2423
01:56:47,440 --> 01:56:51,280
So we'll come back to that later
when that comes up, presumably. 

2424
01:56:52,400 --> 01:56:57,800
And I already mentioned this bit
about the High Lord suffering 

2425
01:56:57,800 --> 01:56:59,560
when you played your Game of 
Thrones, but that's such an 

2426
01:56:59,560 --> 01:57:02,880
important line here in the scene
when when Sylvie says that, that

2427
01:57:02,920 --> 01:57:05,840
it's worth a second mention. 
He has a strong theme throughout

2428
01:57:05,840 --> 01:57:08,840
the whole episode that we saw a 
common through line. 

2429
01:57:08,840 --> 01:57:12,760
I think of of the small folk or 
maybe some of the merchant class

2430
01:57:12,760 --> 01:57:16,400
in some cases, because we see 
Madam Sylvie, we see the rat 

2431
01:57:16,400 --> 01:57:20,600
catchers and Ulph, and we see 
Adam and Alan, you know, we see 

2432
01:57:20,640 --> 01:57:22,920
just a lot of different. 
We see you and Kat, of course. 

2433
01:57:22,920 --> 01:57:25,200
So we see a lot of different 
walks of life here. 

2434
01:57:25,440 --> 01:57:30,160
And yeah, I'm happy to see this,
this Madam knowing the really, 

2435
01:57:30,480 --> 01:57:33,640
really powerful role she has 
right now. 

2436
01:57:33,640 --> 01:57:37,760
She has a prince's ear. 
And so I'm very pleased to see 

2437
01:57:37,760 --> 01:57:41,640
her try to actually influence 
him for good and teach him some,

2438
01:57:41,640 --> 01:57:45,880
some some life lessons. 
And yeah, I, I'm very intrigued 

2439
01:57:45,880 --> 01:57:48,560
by this Madam character. 
Whether we see her consistently 

2440
01:57:48,560 --> 01:57:52,200
going forward at all or again or
I mean if if we see her with 

2441
01:57:52,200 --> 01:57:54,920
Aymond or with other people, I 
don't know, but solid. 

2442
01:57:55,200 --> 01:57:57,520
Or if she'll try to become a 
person of consequence like 

2443
01:57:57,520 --> 01:57:58,960
Mazzari. 
I'm making that mistake 'cause 

2444
01:57:58,960 --> 01:58:00,720
that is obviously that was a 
big. 

2445
01:58:00,880 --> 01:58:05,080
This is obviously the Eamon 
Damon, Sylvie Mazzari parallels 

2446
01:58:05,080 --> 01:58:06,440
are strong. 
But that seems to be one that's 

2447
01:58:06,440 --> 01:58:10,440
not here is that Sylvie isn't 
trying to, like, rise high in 

2448
01:58:10,440 --> 01:58:13,600
the underworld and by selling 
out the prince's secrets. 

2449
01:58:14,040 --> 01:58:16,280
But maybe she will she Or is she
exactly. 

2450
01:58:16,280 --> 01:58:17,960
Or is she at this point? 
It doesn't look like it. 

2451
01:58:18,280 --> 01:58:20,440
And it also seems like she's 
been here a long time and hasn't

2452
01:58:20,440 --> 01:58:21,480
been involved in anything like 
that. 

2453
01:58:21,480 --> 01:58:22,880
So she's probably not going to 
get started now. 

2454
01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:25,000
Whereas Missouri hit the ground 
running with that. 

2455
01:58:25,000 --> 01:58:26,480
It was always kind of part of 
her ambition. 

2456
01:58:26,760 --> 01:58:29,640
Still, it's never too late to 
sell a secret or two. 

2457
01:58:30,880 --> 01:58:33,240
It doesn't mean she's not going 
to become some big underworld 

2458
01:58:33,240 --> 01:58:34,680
operator, but that doesn't mean 
she can't sell it. 

2459
01:58:34,680 --> 01:58:36,920
Like, yeah, she doesn't mean she
can't get a little bit involved.

2460
01:58:37,960 --> 01:58:44,080
We'll see what did. 
I mention that this first person

2461
01:58:44,080 --> 01:58:47,600
here, one of the sex workers 
that people were really curious 

2462
01:58:47,600 --> 01:58:50,680
about from the trailers, there 
was the shot of this silver 

2463
01:58:50,680 --> 01:58:52,840
haired Targaryen girl at the 
brothel. 

2464
01:58:52,840 --> 01:58:53,960
And people were like, who is 
this? 

2465
01:58:53,960 --> 01:58:55,720
Who is this? 
Well, we see it. 

2466
01:58:55,920 --> 01:58:58,880
It's really just a a brief shot 
of her of her dancing with some 

2467
01:58:58,880 --> 01:59:00,560
other girls. 
But we do know the character 

2468
01:59:00,560 --> 01:59:04,240
name for this, this, this person
is Copper Penny, which is a 

2469
01:59:04,240 --> 01:59:08,320
really fun name because she's 
not a full dragon, just a copper

2470
01:59:08,320 --> 01:59:10,920
Penny. 
Anyways, I just, I just think 

2471
01:59:10,920 --> 01:59:13,360
it's a funny little detail 
whether we see more of her and 

2472
01:59:13,360 --> 01:59:15,160
these other brothel girls, I 
don't know. 

2473
01:59:15,160 --> 01:59:18,680
It's these are girls that work 
at Madam Sylvie's brothel. 

2474
01:59:18,680 --> 01:59:22,000
So like if we see this as a 
recurring location, we might see

2475
01:59:22,000 --> 01:59:24,000
Copper Penny or Sylvia again, I 
don't know. 

2476
01:59:24,600 --> 01:59:28,320
Sylvia and Copper. 
Hey, yeah. 

2477
01:59:29,800 --> 01:59:33,080
So that's also maybe a little 
bit of a nod to Penny or the 

2478
01:59:33,080 --> 01:59:35,360
dwarf's Penny in In The Song of 
Ice and Fire and. 

2479
01:59:35,440 --> 01:59:37,840
We see a dwarf here, a dwarf 
girl in this very. 

2480
01:59:38,360 --> 01:59:40,640
Episode Good call. 
That might have been intentional

2481
01:59:40,640 --> 01:59:45,160
to draw that parallel closer. 
And of course, if you go to like

2482
01:59:45,160 --> 01:59:47,600
James Bond, there were lots of 
women named after money. 

2483
01:59:47,600 --> 01:59:51,400
There was Moneypenny and most of
the rest were named after sex 

2484
01:59:51,400 --> 01:59:55,200
acts, I guess. 
But Moneypenny was like the the 

2485
01:59:55,800 --> 01:59:58,360
the administrator, the the 
secretary, something like that. 

2486
01:59:59,120 --> 02:00:01,400
She had an important role, but I
don't remember what her official

2487
02:00:01,400 --> 02:00:04,280
title was. 
Anyway, so this is our last 

2488
02:00:04,280 --> 02:00:06,960
little part here. 
I think we haven't talked about 

2489
02:00:08,640 --> 02:00:10,480
Allison and Otto's final 
conversation. 

2490
02:00:11,360 --> 02:00:14,000
I do kind of wish the episode 
ended with Eric Ark. 

2491
02:00:14,000 --> 02:00:15,760
I think that might have been a 
better way, like a good final 

2492
02:00:15,760 --> 02:00:16,880
note. 
But they did keep going. 

2493
02:00:16,880 --> 02:00:18,840
And there were a couple other 
scenes, one of which was this 

2494
02:00:18,840 --> 02:00:22,200
one. 
Otto and Allison have their last

2495
02:00:22,200 --> 02:00:23,960
meeting before apparently he's 
going to leave. 

2496
02:00:24,520 --> 02:00:28,240
Otto calls the young Peacocks, 
which is a call back to Catlin, 

2497
02:00:28,240 --> 02:00:32,240
using the term nights of summer 
and all their all their colors 

2498
02:00:32,240 --> 02:00:35,760
and and verve and eagerness to 
die. 

2499
02:00:35,880 --> 02:00:38,640
Fittingly, winter is coming. 
So you know, nights of summer 

2500
02:00:38,640 --> 02:00:43,600
won't We'll, we'll get their 
comeuppance, I suppose. 

2501
02:00:44,040 --> 02:00:47,000
And it's a parallel to Damon, an
argument and a parting of ways. 

2502
02:00:47,000 --> 02:00:49,760
Damon goes to Harrenhal, which 
again, we'll discuss that next 

2503
02:00:49,760 --> 02:00:51,520
week after that plot line 
actually begins. 

2504
02:00:51,520 --> 02:00:55,640
Presumably Otto goes to Old Town
and or Highgarden, though I'm a 

2505
02:00:55,640 --> 02:00:58,000
lot less sure we'll be seeing 
him for he might, we just might 

2506
02:00:58,000 --> 02:00:59,480
not see him for a while. 
I'm not sure. 

2507
02:00:59,920 --> 02:01:03,600
He says he'll go to Old Town and
bring Allison's other son to 

2508
02:01:03,600 --> 02:01:05,680
heel. 
Another son. 

2509
02:01:07,120 --> 02:01:10,680
That's right, there is another 
child and we were wondering how 

2510
02:01:10,680 --> 02:01:12,520
they were going to handle this 
other character. 

2511
02:01:12,560 --> 02:01:16,360
His name is Daron, and it seems 
like they've made him a little 

2512
02:01:16,360 --> 02:01:19,200
bit younger, which helps explain
his absence a little bit. 

2513
02:01:19,200 --> 02:01:22,480
It makes sense because if he was
like the same age as Aegon and 

2514
02:01:22,480 --> 02:01:26,000
Amon, they'd be like, where has 
this guy been all this time? 

2515
02:01:26,000 --> 02:01:28,600
But no, he's young and he's not 
yet a dragon rider. 

2516
02:01:28,600 --> 02:01:30,400
He has a dragon but isn't riding
it yet. 

2517
02:01:30,560 --> 02:01:33,080
So that's part of why he's not a
big deal. 

2518
02:01:33,400 --> 02:01:36,000
But now they're going to make 
him a deal. 

2519
02:01:36,040 --> 02:01:37,560
A big deal, I don't know, but a 
deal. 

2520
02:01:38,400 --> 02:01:41,760
And now, not necessarily mean 
now as in the next few episodes,

2521
02:01:41,760 --> 02:01:44,640
I just mean, he's been 
introduced with a line of 

2522
02:01:44,640 --> 02:01:46,920
dialogue. 
Who knows how much longer before

2523
02:01:46,920 --> 02:01:50,000
he's actually on screen. 
But he's in Old Town, which is 

2524
02:01:50,000 --> 02:01:52,640
in the book, and his dragon is 
called Tesarian. 

2525
02:01:52,640 --> 02:01:54,920
We assume it's the same dragon, 
a blue dragon. 

2526
02:01:55,480 --> 02:01:58,560
And this is kind of making him 
out to be more like Joffrey, a 

2527
02:01:58,560 --> 02:02:01,920
Prince who's there prominent, 
not prominent present, but just 

2528
02:02:01,920 --> 02:02:05,080
too young to do much. 
We've seen Joffrey, you know, 

2529
02:02:05,160 --> 02:02:09,200
tossing a one of his brother's 
possessions in the fire and 

2530
02:02:09,280 --> 02:02:12,720
sitting there looking cute And. 
Yeah, so you would understand 

2531
02:02:12,720 --> 02:02:15,840
that if yeah if the Greens had 
another kid basically Joffrey's 

2532
02:02:15,840 --> 02:02:20,200
age, what will he be possibly be
doing of consequence besides 

2533
02:02:20,200 --> 02:02:22,520
just being a little kid? 
So yeah, that explains why he 

2534
02:02:22,520 --> 02:02:25,440
hasn't had much of A role yet 
and why he still might not have 

2535
02:02:25,440 --> 02:02:27,480
a role for a little while 
longer, but at least he's been 

2536
02:02:27,480 --> 02:02:29,240
introduced. 
At least we know Daron is going 

2537
02:02:29,240 --> 02:02:31,960
to be a part of the show 1 way 
or another, even if it's maybe 

2538
02:02:31,960 --> 02:02:34,440
not even till next season, who 
knows, but it's definitely 

2539
02:02:34,440 --> 02:02:37,760
coming. 
And Allison in the meantime, 

2540
02:02:37,760 --> 02:02:39,960
says, yeah, I still think we can
control Aegon. 

2541
02:02:40,480 --> 02:02:41,760
What do you think, Sean? 
Do you think she can still 

2542
02:02:41,760 --> 02:02:45,000
control Egg on or maybe a little
bit or? 

2543
02:02:46,160 --> 02:02:50,360
Maybe a little bit she might. 
She might be able to control him

2544
02:02:50,360 --> 02:02:53,000
a little bit more through 
Kristen if he's the Hand now. 

2545
02:02:53,920 --> 02:02:57,200
But I don't know if she was 
controlling him through Otto 

2546
02:02:57,200 --> 02:02:59,160
even though he was a Hand. 
But she might be able to control

2547
02:02:59,160 --> 02:03:00,640
Kristen better than she control 
Otto. 

2548
02:03:00,880 --> 02:03:05,200
But maybe Kristen becoming a 
Hand might be more, he might be 

2549
02:03:05,240 --> 02:03:07,880
become more of a loose can or 
corrupt with power himself. 

2550
02:03:08,120 --> 02:03:10,560
Yeah, I can imagine, you know. 
Or if he's out in the field, 

2551
02:03:10,560 --> 02:03:12,680
there's more. 
He's not politicking if he's out

2552
02:03:12,680 --> 02:03:15,000
in the field either. 
Yeah, he might not be there to 

2553
02:03:15,000 --> 02:03:17,640
be Hand, which maybe that will 
open up. 

2554
02:03:17,680 --> 02:03:20,040
Allison's a vacuum for Allison 
to be able. 

2555
02:03:21,680 --> 02:03:23,880
Yeah, Kristen's character's 
already a little dubious. 

2556
02:03:23,880 --> 02:03:27,920
So when he feels like I'm 
sleeping with a king and now I'm

2557
02:03:27,920 --> 02:03:30,600
the Hand, no one could tell me 
what to do, you know? 

2558
02:03:32,720 --> 02:03:34,080
Yeah, that's a pretty good 
point. 

2559
02:03:34,080 --> 02:03:35,600
I think he's. 
You say he's sleeping with the 

2560
02:03:35,600 --> 02:03:39,120
king. 
The Queen I might have miss 

2561
02:03:39,120 --> 02:03:40,520
focused. 
Yeah, I think you might have. 

2562
02:03:40,520 --> 02:03:42,120
I just. 
It's good to be the king. 

2563
02:03:42,160 --> 02:03:43,600
Well, that would be a scandal. 
Whoa. 

2564
02:03:43,600 --> 02:03:45,920
Hey, So Kristen Cole sleeping 
with egg on. 

2565
02:03:45,920 --> 02:03:48,000
Whoa. 
This is a twist that's not in 

2566
02:03:48,000 --> 02:03:51,800
the book. 
You know, there is one little 

2567
02:03:51,800 --> 02:03:53,040
note if I could go back a 
second. 

2568
02:03:53,120 --> 02:03:59,880
I wanted to compare and contrast
Aymond and Damon and it kind of 

2569
02:03:59,880 --> 02:04:03,400
like how you were saying Damon 
is trying to absolve himself or,

2570
02:04:03,400 --> 02:04:07,720
or, you know, like avoid any 
real responsibility for this 

2571
02:04:07,720 --> 02:04:10,320
child being murdered. 
Like that was a mistake. 

2572
02:04:10,320 --> 02:04:13,080
You know, at first he tried to 
just keep quiet about it when he

2573
02:04:13,080 --> 02:04:15,680
got called out and he knew he 
couldn't really quite deny it, 

2574
02:04:15,680 --> 02:04:21,520
but he he he never said like, I 
shouldn't have done that or I 

2575
02:04:21,520 --> 02:04:24,120
should have thought it out 
better or I realized how bad 

2576
02:04:24,120 --> 02:04:27,360
that is on you now. 
It was all like, what do you 

2577
02:04:27,360 --> 02:04:32,320
want from me, you know, kind of 
mentality where is Aymond is 

2578
02:04:32,320 --> 02:04:34,840
like, I can't believe I did 
that. 

2579
02:04:34,840 --> 02:04:38,160
I lost my temper. 
I you know, he he seems to have 

2580
02:04:38,160 --> 02:04:42,200
real remorse and regret and you 
know, if or how he makes amends 

2581
02:04:42,200 --> 02:04:46,560
for that, I have no idea. 
But it seems like Damon, who's 

2582
02:04:46,560 --> 02:04:49,720
avoiding taking responsibility 
for it to whatever extent he's 

2583
02:04:49,720 --> 02:04:53,320
going to make amends, probably 
equates to killing a bunch of 

2584
02:04:53,320 --> 02:04:54,880
innocent people. 
That's probably what he's about 

2585
02:04:54,880 --> 02:04:58,240
to go do now, right? 
Like, especially after Ranieri 

2586
02:04:58,240 --> 02:05:00,520
calls him pathetic. 
Because I'll show you Pathetic 

2587
02:05:00,520 --> 02:05:01,880
could have. 
Been thought go kill even more 

2588
02:05:01,880 --> 02:05:06,280
innocent people. 1000 people, 
yeah, I'm gonna kill a kid was 

2589
02:05:06,280 --> 02:05:07,600
bad. 
Yeah, I'm gonna go kill some 

2590
02:05:07,600 --> 02:05:08,640
more children. 
You'll see. 

2591
02:05:10,960 --> 02:05:13,560
So yeah, I don't. 
Exactly, expect Amon to turn 

2592
02:05:13,560 --> 02:05:18,240
into a good guy after this but 
it's it's still I feel like. 

2593
02:05:19,000 --> 02:05:23,880
You appreciated that moment. 
Measure for bad the goal post to

2594
02:05:23,880 --> 02:05:26,320
avoid this. 
Guy, this is a man. 

2595
02:05:26,320 --> 02:05:28,800
Like, there's a lot of people in
this show who would never say 

2596
02:05:28,800 --> 02:05:32,040
I'm sorry, and Damon might be 
the least likely, but there's a 

2597
02:05:32,040 --> 02:05:34,160
lot who would never like. 
Cole wouldn't say it either. 

2598
02:05:35,000 --> 02:05:36,640
Allison wouldn't. 
Otto wouldn't. 

2599
02:05:37,240 --> 02:05:39,640
Egon wouldn't, but he might be 
the least likely. 

2600
02:05:40,720 --> 02:05:43,840
He's the most sure of himself. 
He's the most confidence. 

2601
02:05:43,840 --> 02:05:46,680
I think they all have. 
Confidence definitely rolls up 

2602
02:05:46,680 --> 02:05:48,800
into the arrogant like this. 
It's where does confidence end 

2603
02:05:48,800 --> 02:05:51,720
and arrogance begin? 
Someone like Damon has a lot of 

2604
02:05:51,720 --> 02:05:54,840
both. 
You know, he's got the privilege

2605
02:05:54,840 --> 02:05:58,560
of his birth and his station and
his dragon and his wealth and 

2606
02:05:58,960 --> 02:06:00,520
titles. 
But also. 

2607
02:06:01,400 --> 02:06:04,120
If he was really that competent 
and confident, he would have 

2608
02:06:04,120 --> 02:06:05,720
gone through those sewers 
himself. 

2609
02:06:05,720 --> 02:06:09,480
Why could he have not gone along
with Cheese and Blood to to 

2610
02:06:09,720 --> 02:06:13,280
attack AIM and his Eric winning 
the freaking Dragonstone by 

2611
02:06:13,280 --> 02:06:14,440
himself? 
Right? 

2612
02:06:14,600 --> 02:06:17,320
Right. 
And by the way, I've got a lot 

2613
02:06:17,320 --> 02:06:20,040
of parallels between the passing
through Dragonstone and the 

2614
02:06:20,040 --> 02:06:23,280
passing through of the Red Keep.
As part of our Eric Ark episode 

2615
02:06:23,280 --> 02:06:26,680
on Wednesday, we filled up this 
episode pretty well without 

2616
02:06:26,680 --> 02:06:29,680
talking much about Eric Ark, 
which is why we do a deep dive 

2617
02:06:29,680 --> 02:06:31,600
of the week. 
And again, that will be 

2618
02:06:31,600 --> 02:06:33,920
Wednesday at 7:00, and we'll 
talk about Eric and Ark. 

2619
02:06:34,640 --> 02:06:36,560
And yeah, we'll have you on for 
that, Sean, if you're available,

2620
02:06:36,560 --> 02:06:38,440
because we're not really going 
to talk boilers in that one. 

2621
02:06:38,680 --> 02:06:40,960
That's all going to be about 
just the the stuff that happens.

2622
02:06:40,960 --> 02:06:43,320
I mean, they're both dead. 
There's not much else going on 

2623
02:06:43,320 --> 02:06:46,440
with them anymore, right? 
And we can talk about how their 

2624
02:06:46,440 --> 02:06:49,520
legend impacts the Song of Ice 
and Fire, some real world 

2625
02:06:49,520 --> 02:06:51,840
parallels, some other 
influences. 

2626
02:06:51,840 --> 02:06:54,240
And yeah, just talk through the 
scenes and all the details and 

2627
02:06:54,240 --> 02:06:55,560
the setup and everything. 
It'll be great. 

2628
02:06:55,880 --> 02:06:58,640
We'll have a good time. 
Wasn't there a song in a first 

2629
02:06:58,640 --> 02:07:02,240
episode about something about 
brothers brothers departing or? 

2630
02:07:02,400 --> 02:07:04,800
Yes, there was a song called 
Goodbye Brother, and the first 

2631
02:07:04,800 --> 02:07:06,960
episode was the Stark theme. 
Yeah. 

2632
02:07:06,960 --> 02:07:08,240
They didn't play that here, did 
they? 

2633
02:07:08,240 --> 02:07:09,440
Because that would have. 
Been good also. 

2634
02:07:09,440 --> 02:07:10,840
It would have been. 
It's the Stark theme. 

2635
02:07:10,840 --> 02:07:13,440
Everybody recognizes that it's 
Starkey, but it would have but 

2636
02:07:13,440 --> 02:07:16,640
but a little tease for the 
episode of Wednesday. 

2637
02:07:16,640 --> 02:07:21,240
There is a in world song by 
Lucian of Tarth called Farewell 

2638
02:07:21,240 --> 02:07:25,120
My brother that is written about
Eric and Eric. 

2639
02:07:26,000 --> 02:07:28,240
There you go. 
So yeah, so and it's possible 

2640
02:07:28,240 --> 02:07:32,880
they even like made connected 
that dot when they wrote no, 

2641
02:07:32,880 --> 02:07:35,080
they couldn't have because it 
was fire and blood came out 

2642
02:07:35,080 --> 02:07:36,760
after Game of Thrones, the TV 
show. 

2643
02:07:37,080 --> 02:07:38,360
It's goodbye, brother came 
before. 

2644
02:07:38,360 --> 02:07:40,040
Farewell, my brother, now that I
think about it. 

2645
02:07:40,520 --> 02:07:44,480
All right, well, more on Eric 
and Eric and farewell my brother

2646
02:07:44,480 --> 02:07:47,440
and all this other sorted stuff 
on our Wednesday episode. 

2647
02:07:47,600 --> 02:07:53,360
Any final thoughts from y'all or
are we ready to move to the end?

2648
02:07:54,840 --> 02:07:56,800
All right, let's do it. 
Any questions y'all have, send 

2649
02:07:56,800 --> 02:07:59,480
them to us at 
westeroshistory@gmail.com or 

2650
02:07:59,480 --> 02:08:01,320
join us on our Facebook group or
Discord. 

2651
02:08:01,320 --> 02:08:03,880
You can find the links below in 
the description. 

2652
02:08:05,520 --> 02:08:08,320
And what else? 
Let me say thanks as well to 

2653
02:08:08,320 --> 02:08:10,880
Bran for our great new intro. 
It is so cool. 

2654
02:08:10,880 --> 02:08:13,800
We love those coins, the the 
different heads of those coins. 

2655
02:08:13,800 --> 02:08:16,800
They look so real and and it 
looks like what real Westerosi 

2656
02:08:16,880 --> 02:08:19,800
golden Dragons would look like, 
like maybe the one Ayman held in

2657
02:08:19,800 --> 02:08:22,920
front of his eye. 
Yeah, very good job, Bran. 

2658
02:08:22,920 --> 02:08:24,320
We love it. 
We'll keep playing that and we 

2659
02:08:24,320 --> 02:08:25,760
expect to see some changes to 
it. 

2660
02:08:26,000 --> 02:08:28,280
Lots more to come from us. 
We've got lots. 

2661
02:08:28,280 --> 02:08:30,440
We've got some scripted videos 
come in. 

2662
02:08:30,440 --> 02:08:32,280
And of course, we'll continue 
with our coverage throughout the

2663
02:08:32,280 --> 02:08:35,840
rest of the season. 
On behalf of Sean and Ashea, 

2664
02:08:36,320 --> 02:08:39,400
we'll see you all next time. 
And you know what to do. 

2665
02:08:40,280 --> 02:09:05,960
Valar Rereadas my friends, 
None.