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under Aegon the Conqueror, not 
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the conquest. 
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expansion of the story yet in 
Fire and Blood, because now we 

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focus on characters. 
We started to tease it more the 

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last few times as Amy's and 
Alyssa and their children and 

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Megor come up and grow up and 
Vicenia is no longer just her 

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She takes a far more active role
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House Targaryen. 
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Targaryen. 
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overlapped, but this is more of 
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rather than the realm at large. 
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they rule the realm. 
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family, though? 
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How do they rule themselves? 
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makes this episode unique. 
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House of the Dragon come into 
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This is how it starts. 
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children and grandchildren, and 
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arrangements. 
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the home of the dragon. 
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about family normally, or at 
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family and other contexts, it's 
often you know something 

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Wholesome time with loved ones, 
people you can trust and count 

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not the very first House of the 

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to rule, but managing yourself, 
getting along with other people 

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adds not as much of A focus. 
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threats, new Targaryens, some 
who are both new Targaryens, and

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new threats, not to mention more
actual Dragons, and a few open 

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questions that might rise to the
level of mystery. 

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All that and more on this 
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podcast. 
Hello and welcome back, 

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everybody. 
My fellow W Orians, we are here 

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once again. 
This episode is being recorded 

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at 3:00 Eastern on YouTube, 
which is when we do most of our 

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ATV season on and the occasional
other thing. 

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But yeah, Sundays at 3:00, 
that's our home or our house, 

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you know, since that's the theme
today. 

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And we, well, we do record in 
our house and Sean records in 

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his. 
So hey, we got a whole house 

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home thing going on here. 
After the live stream, you can 

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eventually find the video on 
Spotify about a week later in 

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edited form, and the podcast 
version is anywhere. 

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You find podcasts in edited form
as well. 

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And it's ad free if you listen 
on Patreon. 

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That's right, cut out several 
minutes of ads if you subscribe 

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voluntarily. 
And you also get bonus episodes.

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So not only do you cut out the 
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It's ads gone. 
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That's a pretty good deal. 
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on our Patreon is the topics 
moot. 

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It's been running all month. 
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but as of this recording it's 
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roll we'll talk about some fun 
things going on with that 

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because there's been some fun 
developments and some topics 

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chosen. 
Sean, what are you, what are you

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drinking today and what is that 
on your? 

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Shirt, you know, it's 
reminiscent of of Dunk at 

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Arlen's grave by the Oak tree I 
think, but that's not what it 

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is. 
This is from The Last Airbender,

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Avatar The Last Airbender. 
There's a couple Uncle Iro goes 

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to visit his son's grave at a 
tree and and it reminds me a 

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little bit of just the nature of
the father, Son Dynamics, did 

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that show included, and how 
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better, the children would have 
been better. 

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Yeah, isn't that always the 
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What about your beverage? 
Well, this is a little different

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than normal. 
I've been drinking the Naked 

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Green machine pretty 
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mixed in it, and this time I 
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ice flavor. 
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Starburst strawberry. 
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Right on. 
That's cool. 

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Shay, what shirt do you have on 
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I'm wearing one I wear a lot 
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It's a long sleeve sweatshirt 
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Throne, but the Iron Throne is 
made all out of like magical 

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girl weaponry instead of just 
sword. 

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I've got a little Westeros shirt
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original TV show era, and I 
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because we're discussing the 
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Westeros. 
So I thought it was appropriate.

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Also, you know, I just, I have a
lot of Game of Thrones shirts, 

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but we've done a lot of episodes
and I have to wear them twice 

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every well or three or four, you
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every episode. 
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Wanted to make a a quick note. 
Talking about house and home 

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earlier just reminded me of a a 
a thought, a quote that has 

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stuck with me, I think. 
I'm pretty sure it's from The 

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death of a salesman. 
Home is where when you have to 

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go, they have to take you. 
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angle you come at that. 
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Well, this is the kind of 
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about royalty, where that's 
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They've got too much money to be
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Let's just give you another 
castle like, well, no, if we 

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want to let you live, we can 
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Well, that means that's not 
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I guess not. 
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That is one of the problems 
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Is that a nice and Megor didn't 
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together. 
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To them, it wasn't really a 
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It was a house and not a home 
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Shout out to our good friend 
Nina AKA Good Queen Allie. 

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Good Queen allie.tumblr.com is 
where you can find her writings.

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The latest blog post is 
regarding a question she got 

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about House Ironwood support for
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What might the black fires have 
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them over? 
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a benefit to siding with the 
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It it involves some of what 
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Westeros is included and how 
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use in this scenario where some 
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didn't want to become a part of 
the Seven Kingdoms and that 

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might be who the Iron Woods 
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And it's a pretty good take and 
a pretty good question. 

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I'm going to give a personal 
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Also, my sister has arranged a 
trip to Disney World for my 

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family for my niece's 4th 
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Disney World and that thing? 
She knows more about Disney 

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World than A Song of Ice and 
Fire. 

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She mean like. 
Which is really saying some. 

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Paragraphs of information, he 
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That was the tip of the iceberg.
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That is verb darn. 
Sure About both. 

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Yes, about both. 
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And much more. 
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her top five probably. 
So I will mention some episodes 

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at the end that relate to this 
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Of course, we often talk about 
over things that relate to other

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episodes we've done in the past,
and that's always a fun way to 

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stay immersed if that's your 
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And if you have any questions 
for us, you can put them in the 

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chat if you're watching live or 
send them to 

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westeroshistory@gmail.com as a 
good default way to send 

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questions. 
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from Y'all lately, enough so 
that we might have to do another

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mail bag episode one of these 
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So if you want a mail bag 
episode to happen, by all means 

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send us more questions. 
It'll make it happen sooner. 

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And the trivia question? 
Let's get started with that. 

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And also the answer at the end, 
along with the episode 

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recommendations. 
Which one of Aegon's 

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grandchildren now? 
Grandchildren only? 

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Not great grandchildren, or 
great grandchildren, or great 

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great grandchildren, or great 
great? 

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No, I'll stop there. 
Never rode a dragon. 

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Which one of Aegon's 
grandchildren never rode a 

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dragon? 
Only one of them. 

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But Yep, and again, as usual, 
the answer will be in this 

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episode. 
Also at the end, we'll name off 

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some patron names too. 
That's right. 

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We do like to do that good fun 
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That's true. 
Good shout outs there. 

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Last time we took a look at 
policy law and gradual changes 

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to the realm. 
On a macro level, we jumped 

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around in the timeline because 
much of what we had to discuss 

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played out up to several 
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This time we have a better idea 
of the years and the order of 

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events, so we'll be letting 
several narratives play out at 

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once as we move through the 
founding of the House, the 

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dragon. 
We'll go year by year. 

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Their expansion, the 
proliferation of actual Dragons 

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and Targaryens came along with 
that, and the death of their 

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founding patriarch, the 
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That will happen at the end of 
this episode. 

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It's in this episode as well 
that people would start to look 

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at him and see Aegon the 1st, 
meaning that one after his name,

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because, well, he had a grandson
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timeline named Aegon, and this 
Prince was in the Direct Line of

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succession, and many other 
grandchildren came before and 

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after. 
Well, one came before and 

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several more came after, but in 
total several came. 

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Little could Aegon the First 
know that Prince Aegon, his 

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grandchild, would never be 
crowned, and not because of some

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tragedy that befell him. 
Although you could argue it was 

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a tragedy, but really it was 
Megor that befell him on his own

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Dragon Valerian. 
I don't think Aegon would have 

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been pleased to find that out 
from beyond the grave, but he 

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was beyond the grave when that 
happened. 

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So yes, this will come many 
years later, but we can 

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absolutely trace the events of 
this era to the events of that 

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era. 
A lot of those dots. 

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Pretty easy to connect. 
A few others, Not so much 

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though. 
So we'll that'll be something 

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for us to delve into today. 
We'll be talking about Aegon and

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Vicenya, Lord Ethan, Valarian, 
Sir Osmond Strong, The Hand of 

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the King, Princess Aenis and 
Megor. 

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Alyssa, Valarian the eventual 
Queen. 

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Princess Reina and Princess Al 
Sand. 

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Princess Aegon Viseris and 
Jaharis, Cerise, Hightower 

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Pirate King Sargasso San. 
Lots of names there. 

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That's a lot of Princess and 
princesses. 

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More than one king, thanks to 
Sargoso. 

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Only one current queen, but 
several future Queens? 

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Yeah, lots of future Queens. 
Cerise, Allison, Alyssa. 

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It's a lot of Queens and two 
hands as well. 

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But there's a lot of actual 
Dragons born this era, too. 

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And I mean actual Dragons, not 
these Targaryens. 

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And of course more as well, a 
great era of growth for both the

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House of the Dragon and the 
Dragons in the House. 

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One of the reasons why this 
larger cast makes the story a 

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bit more fun is because there's 
so many more perspectives to 

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consider, so many interactions 
between so many important 

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people, and, well, we have the 
characters who forged this new 

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world and those who were born 
into it. 

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That's enough Queens, by the 
way. 

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For musical, that's. 
True, that's true. 

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You could go a bit higher, you 
know. 

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I feel like you get up to about 
six, you know, and that's that's

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about where you want to stop. 
The Year 19 ACI believe, is 

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where we can start to go year by
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stay on that chronology without 
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So a house for the House of the 
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A royal city gave Aegon manpower
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Kingdom was ever threatened by 
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from outside the Kingdom. 
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King's Landing, and he could 
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even more wealth and manpower to
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rapidly it became a city in the 
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just continued for decades and 
decades, which I think was 

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predictable quote. 
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King's Landing had no walls. 
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Some of its residents were known
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attack the city so long as it 
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and their Dragons. 
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shared these views originally, 
but the death of his sister 

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Raines and her dragon Miraxis in
10 AC and the attacks upon his 

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own person undoubtedly gave him 
cause. 

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And in the 19th year after the 
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of a daring raid in the Summer 
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sacked Tall Trees Town and 
carried off 1000 women and 

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children as slaves, along with a
fortune in plunder. 

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The accounts of the raid greatly
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that King's Landing would be 
similarly vulnerable to any 

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enemy shrewd enough to fall upon
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were elsewhere. 
So he really, really couldn't 

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have something like that. 
Tall Trees raid happening now. 

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Tall Trees Town is old. 
It's been around a long time. 

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It is what it is. 
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tragedy what happened to them, 
but it doesn't really change 

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what that city is. 
It doesn't change its history. 

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It doesn't establish it as 
something different. 

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This is a new city, King's 
Landing. 

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If word gets out that this new 
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there's going to be more 
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So it isn't just about saving 
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saving them from a pattern. 
It's he doesn't want that to be 

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how his city is viewed as a 
target. 

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He doesn't want it to look like 
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In fact, he wants it to be the 
opposite. 

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He would. 
He might like someone to come 

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lose and then that's the message
that everybody gets, kind of 

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like what happened to them and 
Dorne. 

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It's also sort of symbolic. 
He doesn't want that to be its 

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legacy either. 
Right. 

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And it doesn't have a legacy 
because it's so new. 

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So that would be a new city is 
in search of a legacy when it's 

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it's establishing that and this 
would be part of that this this 

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weakness, this. 
Well, when it was new IT was 

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sacked and that's it's been that
ever, ever since then blah blah,

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blah. 
You know that could be how it's 

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described. 
Aegon doesn't want that. 

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And not just a new city, a new 
capital of a new realm. 

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Yeah. 
Right, the new caps. 

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And layers of symbolism here 
make it important for Aegon to 

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not let something negative 
happen. 

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Yeah, that would be really bad 
for his reputation as a king, 

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for his dynasty getting started,
for his new realm. 

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Yeah, just a number of really 
bad things. 

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And he realized, but he kind of 
left himself open for it by not 

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setting up some defenses sooner.
So he did make the effort to 

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address that shortcoming. 
And all this growth was was 

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surely something to be 
encouraged. 

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As as difficult as it was to 
manage and as hard as it 

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probably was to keep track of 
and growing out of control that 

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it was, this would have been a 
much bigger problem. 

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You know, that's a good problem 
to have as a ruler. 

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I've got too many people coming 
to join my new city. 

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Oh, what will I woe with me? 
But if they're all carried off 

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into slavery to another 
continent, yeah, that is a real 

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problem. 
I mean, that's not even talking 

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about the individual lives and 
the horrors they would have to 

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face. 
He's just, this is just egging 

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on thinking about his Kingdom. 
He's not thinking about 

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individuals and their suffering,
though that is certainly 

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relevant. 
I'm just not. 

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I'm just a bit cynical in 
thinking that he probably 

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doesn't care about that too much
there. 

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There had never been a large 
scale settlement at this spot 

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before. 
You know, King's Landing, the 

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area, there had never been a 
united Westeros, the Kingdom. 

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Of course, we've said that 
before but that's it's important

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to point that out as a 
perspective to the rest of the 

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world. 
The rest of the world has never 

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seen Westeros united. 
The rest of the world has never 

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seen it. 
Under one rule, of course it's 

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not quite under one rule, 
There's beyond the Wall and 

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beyond the Red Mountains, but 
you know you get the point. 

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It's a very new situation. 
So the rumors would spread far 

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and wide. 
The the reputation of King's 

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Landing and say a shy is almost 
non existent at this point. 

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You know it's only been around 
for 20 years and it takes what 

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two years to do a voyage back 
and forth to a shy. 

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So yeah, there's not a lot of, 
there's not a lot to say yet 

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people, some people in Ash, I 
probably haven't even heard of 

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King's Landing by this point, 
which is really saying a lot. 

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But it's also goes to the point 
that 20 years for a city is is 

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nothing. 
That's the infancy of a city. 

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And there is a as well the 
possibility of, you know, like 

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it says in the book Aegon, the 
times that Aegon was attacked 

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where he was almost 
assassinated. 

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You know, if he had been killed 
at this point, what would 

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happen? 
I mean, his heir is too young. 

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The Senia is maybe bit a bit of 
a hardliner. 

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Having her in full charge might 
not work out great. 

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She's a little maybe too too 
tough and not good enough at 

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using soft power. 
So who knows? 

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Yeah, and lots of things could 
have gone wrong to have King's 

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Landing been sacked. 
I can imagine even even thinking

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about some of the conflicts that
had happened in his conquest, 

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like that wedding that got 
raided by the Dornish. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
Something like that happening in

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King's Landing. 
It's not like an all out, you 

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know, assault or something like 
that. 

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Something like that would still 
be a bad mark. 

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And I'm sure in considering or 
realizing this, or maybe someone

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else like a maester might have 
brought this to his attention, 

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right? 
And I can imagine there would 

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have been infinite examples they
would have brought to him, 

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right? 
Of like what you need to be 

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afraid of. 
It might not have been hard to 

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convince him, but if he was 
reluctant at all, they could 

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have just one after another 
talked about different cities 

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being sacked and the impacts of 
it and so on. 

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He was like, OK, OK, OK, we'll 
build some walls. 

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You know, yeah. 
So walls, he did build. 

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And this is, of course, familiar
to us because the King's Landing

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that we have seen in The Song of
Ice and Fire during the Dance of

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the Dragons, the Duncan egg, all
that. 

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It always has had walls from all
the times we've seen it, so it 

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becomes the more familiar 
version of itself, the one that 

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we know, 7 gates, each with a 
named Rd. 

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Although those Rd. names 
probably didn't happen right 

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away, Those walls are really 
high. 

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As far as we know, they've never
had to be added onto a rebuild, 

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so they did it right the first 
time, which is, you know, good 

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on them. 
And remember that Kings Rd. is 

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new. 
Jerry's did a big, big Rd. 

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building project. 
So these roads, when we say 

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there's roads out of the seven 
gates, these are still dirt 

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roads. 
Maybe they're they're might 

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well, they might be well worn 
paths to like, well traveled, 

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but they're definitely not made 
of stone. 

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They're still going to be 
susceptible to mud and things 

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like that. 
So that would be a later 

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development. 
Now remember, King's Landing is 

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on three hills. 
There's Aegon's High Hill, the 

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Hill of Rainy's Hill of Vicenia,
and the walls as a whore as a 

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whole. 
I'm going to say walls as a 

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whore. 
I did say walls as a whore. 

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I didn't almost say it. 
I did say that by accident, and 

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it's almost a square, even 
though it's such a big thing and

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so sprawling, the way the walls 
are built, it's it is basically 

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that one side faces the 
Blackwater Rush, which is the 

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river. 
Another side faces Blackwater 

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Bay, one side faces inland going
southwest along the Blackwater 

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Rush, and the other side faces 
NW pointing towards the 

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Riverlands and the north and all
that. 

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So we can imagine when the walls
were built, there was a lot of 

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space, 'cause, like we said, we 
don't know of any rebuilding 

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project or the walls being 
expanded on or anything like 

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that. 
So they had to have left room 

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for King's Lane to grow into the
size it is now 'cause it's 

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obviously if they'd built the 
walls just surrounding what it 

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was there at the time, they 
would have been, oops, we need 

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to expand and do that again. 
Here's a little map that Shea 

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put up there. 
You can see, you can see how 

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it's basically a square. 
It's got a bulge there on the on

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the coast, but pretty much a 
square. 

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One day we'll do a full episode 
on King's Landing. 

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We we had all these notes on 
King's Landing last time. 

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In fact, a lot more than we're 
going through today. 

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And I realized, yeah, we'll just
a King's Landing episode is is 

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more than appropriate. 
We've done episodes on 

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Highgarden and and Old Town, so 
of course King's Landing's 

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appropriate. 
Even though it's got a much 

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shorter history than those 
places, it's got a very rich, 

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full history. 
New York has a shorter history 

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than London or Paris, but it's 
not like there's not a lot to 

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talk about new. 
York, Great point. 

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Yeah. 
New York is relatively young 

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compared comparatively. 
That's a great point. 

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It's like 100 years younger than
King's Landing even. 

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And the egg on forts is also 
going to be torn down a little 

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later. 
We'll talk about that. 

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But it's another part of 
expanding their house, making it

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more of a home and making it 
more appropriate. 

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So a lot of King's Landing at 
this stuff was kind of mobile 

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and changeable because. 
It wasn't planned this way in 

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the 1st place, so people just 
put things in places. 

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And yeah, I think that's kind of
a recurring theme though, with 

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the Targaryens. 
They make some Targaryens, 

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they're just bad rulers and they
make all sorts of bad decisions.

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But even the ones who make good 
decisions as rulers often make 

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bad decisions as parents, right?
Viserys on House of the Dragon 

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is our primary example. 
He may not be the best example, 

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but he's so prominent because 
he's on T was on TV. 

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Robert Baratheon, similar 
example. 

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Tywin's not a good parent, you 
know, there's all these bad 

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parents now, those aren't 
Targaryens, but it's still a 

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recurring theme of people who 
rule effectively, not 

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necessarily well, but 
effectively are good. 

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You know, Tywin, it's debatable.
There's a lot of things he 

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didn't do well, but he he he was
still better than a lot of other

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rulers. 
Cause the bar is low, but if 

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you're a bad parent of people 
who are going to be rulers 

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later, you undermine all that, 
right? 

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You Ray ruled Wells yourself, 
but you just foisted a bad ruler

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on on the realm after your death
for maybe a period that's longer

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than your period of rule. 
So Tywin rules decently for 20 

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years and then foists his family
on the realm and Cersei and 

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Jamie and Joffrey and they'll do
all this stuff like doesn't that

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take away from his credit even 
though he didn't do it because 

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he made those people, you know, 
he taught those people, he 

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educated them, he raised them or
didn't raise them to right, 

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which is in itself a failure. 
So I think Aegon's more of that.

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Aegon isn't a isn't a actively 
bad father. 

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He not even be a bad father. 
But I think he what we'll see 

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here going forward is he was 
more interested in things like 

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this about King's Landing than 
he was in managing the people 

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who were who will rule King's 
Landing after him. 

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You know, it's I don't know we 
could talk about this infinitely

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and we're trying to, but just 
thinking about, you know, Aegon 

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I, I I want to try to justify 
some of his failures as a parent

449
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:16,560
'cause he's ruling this new 
Kingdom which has all sorts of 

450
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,160
new challenges like even to 
whatever extent Taiwan was 

451
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,160
ruling it. 
There was some established 

452
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,680
precedent and infrastructure and
who wants to contact and 

453
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,280
everything else in place for him
to work with, you know? 

454
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,800
But Aegon had established all 
that in the 1st place. 

455
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:35,220
So, you know, you know, I can 
maybe see Aegon being quote, UN 

456
00:22:35,220 --> 00:22:39,040
quote, justifiably busy with 
other things not being able to 

457
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,440
manage his kids. 
But Tywin, I guess, was too busy

458
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:43,600
committing genocide. 
He. 

459
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,200
Asked him. 
Here he was like, what's his? 

460
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:50,480
Excuse, you know, as a reminder 
for me this is Reedus, not 

461
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,760
Reedus. 
It's a lot that I'm taking in 

462
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,480
and processing and trying to 
just trying to like remember all

463
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,600
the names and dates and stuff, 
much less drawing conclusions. 

464
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,200
But it is something I've been 
the stewing over a lot. 

465
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,040
Is that this point that you're 
making? 

466
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:08,080
It's this sort of this recurring
thing of decent, at least 

467
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:12,520
ostensibly decent rulers failing
with their kids, which then that

468
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,480
next generation rules badly. 
Yeah, but maybe if they had done

469
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,960
worse as rulers and go with 
their kids, then maybe we'd be 

470
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,320
talking about how it's their 
current theme if they leave 

471
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:22,600
their kids with all these 
problems. 

472
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,680
Yeah, I'm not sure how much of 
it would have been different, or

473
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,800
how much is to blame them. 
But one or the other, I'm just 

474
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,800
thinking so much about this 
consistent pattern. 

475
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,200
I wonder what Martin's trying to
reflect here, you know, or if 

476
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,600
it's intentional, if it's just a
Natural History, or what? 

477
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,720
I agree with you in in theory 
that it's difficult maybe to do 

478
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,440
both, but I think that's one 
thing that George is teaching us

479
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,880
is that there's very few people 
that are good at both of these 

480
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,560
things. 
And so these are very different 

481
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:49,960
skill sets. 
I think ruling A realm and 

482
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,640
ruling a family or providing for
a family or leading a family or 

483
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,240
being a father are just 
extremely different things. 

484
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,360
There's no reason why being good
at one would make you good at 

485
00:23:58,360 --> 00:24:01,000
the other. 
They're just, it's like, why the

486
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,640
old Mitch Hedberg joke like, oh,
you're a chef, so you're good at

487
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,160
farming. 
No, of course not. 

488
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,240
Yes, they're food related, but 
they're completely different 

489
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,840
skill sets. 
Raising eggs versus cooking 

490
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,360
eggs. 
And I like eggs as an example 

491
00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:17,200
because there's egg ONS instead 
of eggs and dragon eggs. 

492
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,040
It's all it all fits very well, 
yes. 

493
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,840
One thing that they both take is
time, and there's only so many 

494
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,880
hours in a day. 
You know, even if you sacrifice 

495
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,480
sleep or hobbies or whatever 
else, it's it's hard to just 

496
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,280
have enough hours to raise kids 
and manage kingdoms. 

497
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,040
Well, one thing that gets me, 
though, I agree with what you're

498
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,640
saying in theory. 
One thing that gets me though, 

499
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,840
and we'll go through examples of
this throughout the episode, is 

500
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:40,120
that Aegon will go against his 
own teachings in accomplishing 

501
00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:41,680
these rather in making these 
failures. 

502
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,360
For example, he made a big 
point, send your children to me 

503
00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:47,280
so that I can have them all get 
along together. 

504
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,080
Yet he didn't do that with his 
own children. 

505
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,080
His own children were not raised
together. 

506
00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:56,720
And so he just putting the wedge
he's trying to not have between 

507
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,560
other houses. 
He's creating it in his own 

508
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,480
house. 
So that's to me kind of blatant.

509
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:02,680
Now maybe some of these other 
ones. 

510
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,720
There's nuance. 
But anyway, I'm getting ahead of

511
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,200
myself. 
This next section is called 

512
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,280
Filling the House of the Dragon 
with Dragons. 

513
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,400
Let's have a quote. 
Prince Amy's was the heir 

514
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,960
apparent, and King Aegon kept 
him close by his side. 

515
00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:15,920
As the king moved about the 
realm from castle to castle, so 

516
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,320
did the Prince. 
Prince Megor remained with his 

517
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,400
mother, sitting by her side when
she held court. 

518
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,840
Queen Vicinia and King Aegon 
were off the part in those 

519
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,680
years. 
When he was not on a royal 

520
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,840
progress, Egon returned to 
King's Landing and the Egon Fort

521
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,600
boss Vicinia and her son 
remained on Dragon soon. 

522
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,560
So Annies learned how to hold 
court from his father, where 

523
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,520
Magor learned how to hold court 
from his mother. 

524
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,600
And we know Vicenya is a lot 
more hardcore, a lot less 

525
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,800
forgiving, more of a rule by 
fear type. 

526
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,920
So no surprise, that's how Magor
turned out. 

527
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,080
We're in the year 20 now. 
We started on year 19, The Walls

528
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,960
project begins, and it's 
overseen by Hand of the King 

529
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,040
Osmond Strong. 
It kept on going and going. 

530
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,440
It took several years. 
The Realm would have a lot of 

531
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,640
young men and women born after 
the conquest. 

532
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:03,600
Of course, the initial effect of
the conquest would be a lowering

533
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,560
of the population, because all 
the people killed in war. 

534
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,360
But then you enter this and then
more killed in Dorne. 

535
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,960
But then you have this period 
where we have peace for quite a 

536
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:16,760
while and peace between all the 
kingdoms, which means a boom of 

537
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,200
babies being born. 
Now, of course, we're still too 

538
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:24,720
early in the timeline for those 
people to be adults, but they're

539
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,480
still mouths to feed. 
There's just lots of children 

540
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,040
being born, and that's going to 
matter. 

541
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,280
And of course, when we're 
talking about noble children, 

542
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,840
that's going to be true as well.
You have, you're the men of the 

543
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,080
householder, less are out less 
fighting in war. 

544
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:42,800
They're at home with their wife,
and that means babies are more 

545
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,920
likely to be made, especially 
when you're talking about an 

546
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,160
entire population and not just a
couple of houses. 

547
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,560
We're looking at macro numbers 
here, and that was true for the 

548
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,920
Targaryens too. 
Instead of Aegon, you know, 

549
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,560
Conquering and his his wives 
being out on their Dragons, 

550
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,520
burning castles, they're at 
home. 

551
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,440
Well, Rainey's isn't anymore, 
but still his kids will be as 

552
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,080
well. 
So they're basically a 

553
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,080
population boom all over the 
place. 

554
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,480
And I'd have. 
I believe that the population 

555
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,280
boom began, if not during the 
First Dornish War, because as 

556
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,160
many people as were killed down 
there, we're still talking about

557
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,200
an entire nation and 40,000 
warriors going into Dorne isn't 

558
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,480
that big of a number when 
especially since not all of them

559
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,480
were killed, just just, you 
know, more than half when we're 

560
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,600
talking about the entire 
continent, right, that it's a 

561
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,160
lot of people, but it's not that
big a number when we're talking 

562
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,680
about the entirety of Westeros 
population. 

563
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,120
So macro numbers are difficult 
to pin down here, but we can 

564
00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:38,920
still imagine certain trends. 
Amy's would have been flying by 

565
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,720
now, which is neat to think 
about. 

566
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,080
He'd be the first new dragon 
rider since well before the 

567
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:44,880
conquest. 
Think about that it it might 

568
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:49,040
have been over 3 decades before 
a new dragon had been claimed in

569
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,400
Westeros like from the time. 
I don't know who. 

570
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,640
We don't know whether it was 
probably Raines was probably the

571
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,000
last person to claim a dragon 
before Raines claiming Meraxis, 

572
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,800
but it could have been Visenya 
claiming Vega or Aegon claiming 

573
00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:01,400
Valerian. 
Those might have happened later.

574
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,360
We don't know who claimed the 
dragon first, but all three of 

575
00:28:04,360 --> 00:28:08,640
them happened well before the 
conquest and now here we are you

576
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,320
know in the in the year 20 and 
yeah, pretty neat. 

577
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,000
Meanwhile, Magor does not have a
dragon of course, but he does 

578
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,200
have he's already squired age 8 
as we said last time and his 

579
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,440
master at arms, as we also said,
one of the deadliest Knights in 

580
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,480
the realm, Sir Gowan Corbray. 
So he's learning how to fight 

581
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,480
from one of the best. 
Now we know he's eventually 

582
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,760
going to claim Valerian, so I I 
want to start thinking about 

583
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,160
that now because was he waiting 
for that? 

584
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,160
Was that what he was that his 
intent all along? 

585
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:40,640
But was it or was it his intent?
Did he 678 year old Megor have 

586
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,360
this plan or was it his mother's
idea? 

587
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,600
It seems more likely the adult 
having that idea is a little 

588
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,800
more likely than the 8 year old,
but it is possible. 

589
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,400
Megor had it himself. 
I mean, the idea is pretty 

590
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,600
straightforward. 
Don't claim a hatchling, Claim a

591
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,960
big one or the biggest one. 
Yeah 'cause it might have just 

592
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,400
been, hey, wait for a bigger 
one, but it might have been wait

593
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,800
for that one, right? 
What do you what do you think 

594
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,520
about that, Sean? 
I think it would have been the 

595
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,560
mother's influence. 
I mean, not that he couldn't 

596
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,960
have thought of it as an 8 year 
old, but things 8 year olds 

597
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,280
think of aren't really well 
thought out. 

598
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,000
Yeah, even a Squire. 
Still, yeah. 

599
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,440
So I'd like, and it makes more 
sense to me at AJ. 

600
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,880
He would have just wanted any 
dragon he could get. 

601
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,600
I think it's more likely that 
his mom was like be patient, 

602
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,160
wait for this certain dragon or 
probably that certain dragon. 

603
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,800
It it does still seem. 
I will say it does still seem 

604
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,760
like a bit of a risk for her to 
take, but maybe she knows she 

605
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,600
has to be patient already since 
he's already just a second born 

606
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,720
son. 
There's all these other factors 

607
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:39,680
in place, that's. 
A good point. 

608
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,560
A lot of great takes from Nina 
here on this subject. 

609
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,080
Everything about Megor is about 
being a warrior. 

610
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,240
He loved battle, He loved 
showing his strength, He loved 

611
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,520
dominating people. 
He was good at it, right? 

612
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,200
And so it does kind of make 
sense that he would want to 

613
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,200
choose the biggest weapon of 
war. 

614
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,440
He wants to choose something 
that's dominating and something 

615
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,000
that enables him to express that
part of himself this the 

616
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,240
dominant side, the violent side,
the the one that intimidates 

617
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,680
people. 
And what's more intimidating 

618
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,560
than Valerian? 
He saw his own father on that 

619
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,640
dragon was like, yeah, that's 
for me. 

620
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,120
So maybe his mom gave him the 
idea but I would imagine he 

621
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,320
light. 
He seized on it. 

622
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,200
Like yeah, that is a good idea. 
I want that now It might have 

623
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,080
been the idea might have been 
yeah. 

624
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,760
Wait for a bigger dragon. 
Not necessarily that one. 

625
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,440
Because what if Vasenia died 
first. 

626
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,480
Would he have still waited for 
blaring or would he have just 

627
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,680
taken Veigar who's, you know, 
the second biggest? 

628
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,440
I don't know. 
That's a tough call and we will 

629
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,800
never know that one. 
But we're we're minded of Eamond

630
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:41,840
Eamon one eye who, you know, 
pink dread aside in the book he 

631
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,200
says I don't want some puny 
hatchling or some stupid egg. 

632
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,600
That's a direct quote from much 
later in Fire and Blood. 

633
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:53,680
He wants the biggest. 
So maybe Aymond channeling Megor

634
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,280
a bit here. 
And Aymond does have some things

635
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,880
in common with Megor other than 
now let's not forget book Aymond

636
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,360
was small Show Aymond is 
actually a bit big. 

637
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,920
Not like muscular, but tall and 
that's a difference. 

638
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,800
And of course neither anywhere 
the size of Megor is huge. 

639
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,960
I think Megor would have taken 
Veigar, by the way, especially 

640
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,680
once Andy's already has a 
dragon. 

641
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,120
I think he would have. 
He or Vasena would have been 

642
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,000
happy for him to take Veigar. 
Yeah, it's possible for sure. 

643
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,280
And Valerian was his father's 
dragon too. 

644
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,120
So that's another thing. 
It's like, well, I'm the second 

645
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:28,360
born. 
I've been left out. 

646
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:29,760
And you know, Andy's gets all 
the attention. 

647
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,880
Maybe that's a way to. 
He'd never admit to it being 

648
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,440
such a macho warrior type, but 
that might be a way to, like, 

649
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,480
emulate his father or be more 
like his dad. 

650
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,880
And if we're imagining that it 
was Vasenia's idea, it it isn't 

651
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,680
straightforward that oh, she 
wanted her son to be the biggest

652
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,680
and strongest. 
It could be that simple that, 

653
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:48,720
but I think that's just part of 
it. 

654
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,880
Now, did she perceive Anis as 
too weak and thought her son 

655
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,000
should be the king? 
Or did she perceive Anis as too 

656
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,480
weak and thought her son would 
be very helpful, was like, oh, 

657
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,560
he's going to need Megor and 
this could change over time. 

658
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,880
She might be like, OK, no, I 
want Megor to be king. 

659
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,600
But at first I wouldn't quite go
that far, though I'm open to it.

660
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,520
You know Visenya, I think she 
wanted her house to be strong. 

661
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,080
I don't know that she had to 
have her son on the throne. 

662
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,600
Maybe at some point her mind 
changed on that. 

663
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,800
But I I kind of doubt it began 
that way. 

664
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,520
But it might have. 
It might have, Definitely might 

665
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:24,840
have. 
So yeah, I think it's a very 

666
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,080
strong chance that she wanted 
Valerian for for for her son. 

667
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,360
And it may have been because she
expected him to be king in the 

668
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,160
long run, or may have just been 
because she wanted him to be as 

669
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,080
powerful as possible, which 
might have included being king. 

670
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,400
There's another potential She 
might have seen some of the red 

671
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,800
flags and wanted to put off him 
getting a dragon as long as 

672
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:44,840
possible. 
Okay. 

673
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,360
Maybe, yeah. 
Maybe you need to mature first. 

674
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,040
Maybe make sure you can handle a
dragon. 

675
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,040
Maybe we need some other people 
with Dragons to keep you in 

676
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:55,480
check, and maybe that's cynical 
of me or optimistic of me of 

677
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,840
her, to have him be patient. 
But. 

678
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,320
And she will later suggest 
betrothing Megor to Annies's 

679
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,760
first child, which is like, 
that's not the mark of someone 

680
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,240
who wants to overthrow annies. 
That's just someone who wants 

681
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,000
her son to come next, which is, 
And you know, honestly, that 

682
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,720
wasn't the worst idea ever. 
It wasn't accepted. 

683
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,760
But anyway, it's it's about to 
happen now. 

684
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:18,920
So Annies and Alyssa get married
at in the year 22, Alyssa was 

685
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,240
daughter to Lord Ethan Valarian 
and Lady Alara Massey. 

686
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,400
Now remember Ethan was the son 
of Damon Valarian, the same 

687
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,400
Damon that died trying to take 
Gull town during the conquest. 

688
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,040
He'd been master of ships ever 
since. 

689
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,600
Ethan has been so 20 plus years 
at this point. 

690
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,720
So he's a big man around campus 
or big man around court. 

691
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,320
Well accustomed to the 
Targaryens, been in their 

692
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,880
service for a long time. 
Obviously has Valyrian heritage 

693
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,000
shared with them his brother 
Lord Corleiss, not to be 

694
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,400
confused with the Sea Snake, who
won't be born for several 

695
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,640
decades. 
Still, Corleiss was the first 

696
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,640
ever Lord Commander, the 
Kingsguard, so he's uncle to the

697
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,760
future Queen. 
Although it's actually possible 

698
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,400
Corleiss is dead by this time, 
we don't know when he died. 

699
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,000
He might live for another 20 
years. 

700
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,560
He might already have been dead 
by this time. 

701
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,600
Unfortunately we don't have any 
more info than that. 

702
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,120
So this is not an incest 
marriage in the eyes of the 

703
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,280
Faith, right? 
It's it's a Valerian and a 

704
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,120
Targaryen. 
So they got around the problem 

705
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,600
this time. 
But as we said last time, they 

706
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,880
had to know it was going to be a
problem eventually, you know, 

707
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,159
'cause they would have married a
daughter if they had had one. 

708
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,600
And Aegon himself and Viceni and
Rainey's were also the children 

709
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,760
of a Valerian. 
So, right, their mother was 

710
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,800
Valena Valerian and their dad 
was Lord Aryan. 

711
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:35,760
So either way, Alyssa looked 
Valyrian. 

712
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,880
Silvery blonde hair, purple 
eyes. 

713
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,600
Now a Lara. 
Here's a little change. 

714
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,040
Alyssa was said to be Targaryen 
on her mother's side in the 

715
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,639
World of Ice and Fire, but then 
in Fire and Blood, it's changed 

716
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:49,719
to a Lara Massey. 
So who is? 

717
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,360
Not Targaryen, clearly, but she 
might have Targaryen in her 

718
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,400
heritage, so it might have been 
less of a change than it sounds 

719
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:55,840
like. 
Anyway, that's a small thing, 

720
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,560
but fun little trivia there for 
you. 

721
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,560
Hey, I could have made that the 
trivia today, but I didn't. 

722
00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:02,800
Either way, they were linked by 
blood because Amy's paternal 

723
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,400
grandmother was villain of 
Valerian. 

724
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,600
And that's they're all you know.
All those Valorians will be 

725
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,520
connected to her somehow. 
So this is the purpose may have 

726
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,680
been the same as usual. 
Keep the blood of the dragon 

727
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,040
pure. 
Now acknowledging we don't know 

728
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,600
exactly what that means, we have
our theories on what the blood 

729
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:22,760
of the dragon pure means, but to
the rest of the realm, it 

730
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,400
probably just looked like they 
weren't willing to marry into 

731
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,040
the realm they ruled over. 
They were keeping it close knit.

732
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:32,440
They were keeping it Valyrian, 
which that's not ideal, 

733
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,440
especially because they're 
trying to adopt A lot of stuff 

734
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,520
about the Seven Kingdoms. 
They're adopting the faith, 

735
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,320
they're doing all these like 
house words and sigils and all 

736
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,480
these other things. 
It's still an understandable 

737
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:47,280
match from the Targaryen side of
things because, well, it's not 

738
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,560
an incestuous merit to them. 
It seems like a compromise 

739
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,080
probably, you know, even though 
to some members of the faith of 

740
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,440
like, no, we're not compromising
over incest. 

741
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,040
Like that's not something you 
compromise over. 

742
00:35:57,720 --> 00:35:59,160
It's like either you do it or 
you don't. 

743
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:04,040
So was he trying to maybe 
gradually shift things, like 

744
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:08,840
slowly break the realm into 
these issues that he knew would 

745
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,960
be a problem? 
Or was he just kind of expecting

746
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,880
him to accept it because he's in
charge and his family will be in

747
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,600
charge after him? 
Yeah, it's it's not clear. 

748
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,720
And there's no evidence that 
they ever married into a non 

749
00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:21,280
Valyrian house prior to Egon 
either. 

750
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:26,360
We don't know who his father's 
father and who Vasenia and 

751
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,840
Rainey's grandparents married 
and all that. 

752
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:35,040
We do hear that there was a 
marriage between Game and the 

753
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:42,960
Glorious and a younger daughter,
so there probably is actually 

754
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,320
some evidence. 
I'm probably wrong about that. 

755
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,120
There probably is at least a 
little evidence that there was 

756
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,960
marriages to the Seven Kingdoms 
from the Targaryens, but but not

757
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,080
a lot of it. 
But even that one's not positive

758
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,920
because it might have been a 
Valarian or Celtigar or someone 

759
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,840
else's Valyrian descent, but 
it's not sure. 

760
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,840
Angies and Alyssa were born in 
the same year, so they were very

761
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:01,680
age appropriate. 
They had a lot in common. 

762
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,120
This may have helped their 
marriage quite a bit that they 

763
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,120
had so much in common, but maybe
you know, sometimes people bring

764
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,320
out the worst in each other. 
You know, like you feed on each 

765
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,600
other's worst qualities. 
You know some of these traits 

766
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,320
they had were not helpful as 
rulers. 

767
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,880
Like they both apparently liked 
to be loved and praised, which 

768
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,680
is not a great trait for a 
ruler. 

769
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,280
You need to be able to handle 
criticism and and being wrong 

770
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,880
and things like that. 
However, there is some evidence 

771
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,880
that this isn't that accurate 
when it comes to Alyssa. 

772
00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:35,280
Like Septon, Barth is the one 
that says she desired to be 

773
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,920
loved, admired, and praised. 
There isn't really any evidence 

774
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,680
for it. 
There is for Amy's We don't have

775
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:47,280
like like times when this 
happened And Septon Barth didn't

776
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,200
really know Alyssa that well. 
She know he knew her later in 

777
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,880
life, but he didn't know her at 
this time. 

778
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,720
So it might be a way to make 
Jaharis look a little better by 

779
00:37:55,720 --> 00:37:57,240
comparison. 
I'm not sure. 

780
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,720
Either way, neither of them were
big on making unpopular 

781
00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:03,960
decisions at first, though 
Alyssa's going to show that when

782
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,640
things get dangerous, she could 
totally handle herself and is 

783
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,760
willing to do brave things and 
dangerous things where Amy's not

784
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,280
so much. 
I was going to make the point 

785
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:18,080
that, you know, wanting praise, 
like almost any trait, it's not 

786
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,320
automatically, completely, 
inherently bad. 

787
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,200
It can be bad if you do it too 
much, right? 

788
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,560
Yeah, it can be good because if 
you want praise, that means 

789
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,280
you're going to do things that 
people like. 

790
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,120
And that's a good thing for a 
leader, right? 

791
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,560
But you can't only do things 
that people like. 

792
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,720
Or sometimes some people like A 
and some people like B. 

793
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:36,160
And you have to be able to 
decide between them. 

794
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,080
And there's like a correct 
decision that you might avoid 

795
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,920
because people will like 1. 
Yeah, there's the popular choice

796
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,560
and the right choice and they're
not always the same annies. 

797
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,880
What what I think is being 
suggested is Annies would rather

798
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,880
choose the popular shoot choice 
than the the one that maybe is 

799
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,320
better for the realm. 
And it's maybe Bart is 

800
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:56,640
suggesting that about Alyssa 
too. 

801
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,880
But that's the thing. 
We're not so so. 

802
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,200
Sure. 
And also, Barth is the one 

803
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:01,600
deciding what's better for the 
realm. 

804
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,760
So if he thinks it's better for 
the realm, for the maesters and 

805
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,000
the church to get more money, 
but Amy thinks it's better for 

806
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,920
the realm for the average person
to get more money or be taxed 

807
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,040
less or whatever, you know 
there's still going to be a 

808
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,640
perspective of what's quote, UN 
quote better for the realm. 

809
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,160
That that's true may or may not 
have been making bad decisions. 

810
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,920
He might have been a better king
at a different time. 

811
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,800
He was not a king to follow his 
father, I don't think, at least 

812
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,440
if we're being results oriented 
and well, we don't have much 

813
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,480
else to go on other than the 
results here. 

814
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:37,160
So in the year 23 AC moving 
forward, one more year Aegon and

815
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,080
Ainies fly to Sunspear to 
celebrate 10 years of peace with

816
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,640
Thorne. 
And let me tell you, I do not 

817
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:47,600
suspect this was the most loose,
fun event of all time you have. 

818
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,600
You have Valerian and 
Quicksilver hanging out, so 

819
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,280
there's always the thread of 
Dragons just right there. 

820
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,320
And the Dornish were probably 
wondering what kind of guy this 

821
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:58,920
Anis was. 
They probably heard a bit about 

822
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,640
it when they met him. 
They're probably like, OK, well,

823
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:01,800
I'm not so worried about this 
guy. 

824
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,040
This guy doesn't seem like he's 
going to come at us like his 

825
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,880
father. 
So they probably felt some 

826
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,840
measure of optimism. 
And this is the only son of the 

827
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,400
queen who had been killed in 
Dorne. 

828
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:12,880
I mean, this is the son of 
Raines. 

829
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,960
They killed Raines in this 
country. 

830
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,720
He would be about 16, Is that 
correct? 

831
00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:20,120
Yeah. 
Yeah, he was born in the year 7.

832
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,800
Right like this is like he's 
he's right in the throes of like

833
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:29,520
his majority becoming like he's 
about to be an adult properly. 

834
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,480
Right, like. 
Rob Stark was already leading 

835
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,520
armies this age. 
Yeah, like this is 16, is 

836
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,080
considered a man by royal 
standards, by Westerosi 

837
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,200
standards, and this is a Crown 
Prince. 

838
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,000
So he he's been raised to be a 
leader. 

839
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,640
You know, I have a thought here,
kind of going back to something 

840
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,760
from earlier too. 
The idea that Amy's was 

841
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:54,480
travelling around with Aegon for
all these royal progresses, one 

842
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,680
that would have prepared him for
this moment. 

843
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,680
However awkward this moment is, 
he was better prepared. 

844
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,600
He knew what to say. 
Negro would have been right. 

845
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,800
Like if he had just been sitting
around in Ivory tower somewhere,

846
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,280
he might not be as prepared for 
this sort of, like, interaction 

847
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,040
with new people, diplomatic 
moment, etcetera, etcetera. 

848
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:15,960
So however awkward it might have
been, at least it wasn't quite 

849
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,560
as bad as it of a set up as it 
could have been, right? 

850
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,520
Yeah, observing the form, so to 
speak. 

851
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,560
Yeah, all the court diplomacy 
and doing all the right things 

852
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,120
and showing all the saying the 
right. 

853
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,760
Smiling at the right time and 
complimenting people. 

854
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,200
Yeah, all the stuff that we see.
Yeah. 

855
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:36,320
Picture Arya Hota observing the 
the court when there's the when 

856
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,200
Doran gets the skull and some 
people are saying all the right 

857
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,120
things, like, yes, we can 
finally put the enmity behind 

858
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:43,840
us, even though everybody's 
like, no, we can't. 

859
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,400
Some people are drinking, some 
people are not, are pouring 

860
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,600
their drinks out. 
You know, that kind of stuff. 

861
00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:51,800
Another thought on this, and I 
haven't thought this out very 

862
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,040
well, but I'm just thinking 
about the difference because a 

863
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,360
lot of this is about the 
difference between Annies and 

864
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,040
Megor. 
Did I wonder how different a 

865
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,080
perspective and a personality 
and a leader they would have 

866
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:06,720
developed into when Megor, not 
only, you know, being under 

867
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:10,040
Vicinia, who would have had a 
different approach than Aegon, 

868
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,800
but also the things he's 
observing are a little bit more 

869
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,600
I I think people coming to the 
Targaryens where we need this 

870
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,200
from you, right? 
You have all this power and we 

871
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:27,160
need your assistance. 
Whereas Aegon is going out to 

872
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:31,320
other people saying, hey, how 
can I assist you, right. 

873
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,400
It's a it's a different 
interaction, it's a different 

874
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,320
fundamental stand that they're 
taking when they interact with 

875
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,000
the different people. 
And I wonder how much that leads

876
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,880
Magor to being a little bit more
arrogant and maybe even 

877
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,360
frustrated with people. 
Yeah, they're more of just like 

878
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:47,640
a chore to him. 
Where is it? 

879
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,600
I think you're right that Aegon 
and Amies would have much more 

880
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,560
fun with with their experiences 
of dealing with petitioners and 

881
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,280
and and a more positive spin on 
it. 

882
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,120
Amy's especially. 
That's a great point. 

883
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,360
He would love to be the guy 
that's giving people what they 

884
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,000
want and giving them justice and
being seen to be praised for 

885
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,280
doing the right thing. 
And that's what a lot of you do 

886
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,240
when you're holding court. 
You're like, hey, I have this 

887
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:09,520
problem, King, can you settle 
this? 

888
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:10,840
And he's like, yes, I can settle
this. 

889
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,760
And then he would probably take 
a lot of satisfaction that 

890
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,920
whereas I agree with you, I 
think Megor and Vicini might 

891
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:19,720
find that tedious. 
Yeah, and Amy's is part of 

892
00:43:19,720 --> 00:43:22,320
Aegon's intention is learning 
about these other people in 

893
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:23,600
their cultures. 
Right. 

894
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,160
So you have to. 
Listen to Megor's not learning 

895
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:26,320
about the other people in the 
cultures. 

896
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,080
He doesn't care and it feels. 
Like he has to deal with these 

897
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:33,200
people where Annie's feels like 
he gets to go help them and I 

898
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:37,000
could just see that that that 
start off in their careers 

899
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,760
setting him in very different 
mindsets. 

900
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,040
You know, it's a lot like Robert
Baratheon that Robert Baratheon 

901
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,600
isn't nearly as brutal as Megor,
but he does like to fight that. 

902
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:46,800
They have that in common. 
He liked to fight. 

903
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,600
He wasn't mean or cruel about it
or sadistic or psychopathic, but

904
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,280
he enjoyed fighting and he hated
rule. 

905
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,600
He thought it very tedious. 
He was boring to him. 

906
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,120
He just was like, let me get out
there and fight, and that's 

907
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:58,240
Megor. 
Megor just wasn't. 

908
00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:00,200
Megor loves tournaments and all 
this other stuff. 

909
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:01,960
But like, yeah, there's some 
real parallels there. 

910
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,760
And so how much of that is 
Megor's DNA versus his 

911
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:06,760
upbringing? 
Right. 

912
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:07,640
Yeah, Yeah. 
The. 

913
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,080
Thing he could do that was fun 
and to prove himself was go win 

914
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,200
a tournament. 
The thing Amy's that could do 

915
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,080
that was fun and to prove 
himself was go help out other 

916
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,000
Lords. 
Yeah, So in a lot of ways, it 

917
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:19,040
can. 
Happen when they're put in a 

918
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,560
position of power. 
You might even see a why. 

919
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,120
Aegon thought, hey, this is 
pretty good. 

920
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,080
The one who's going to be in 
charge is the one that like can 

921
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,920
has the patience for this. 
And the one that if anyone comes

922
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,080
at him, well, my second son will
put them in their place. 

923
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,280
He might have had a rose colored
lens on like yeah, look how 

924
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,440
perfect that is. 
You know I've got my warrior son

925
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,800
going to back up my ruling son. 
It's perfect. 

926
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,080
Yeah. 
Well, not so much, but you can 

927
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,640
see it that way. 
We might be looking at things in

928
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,320
a 2020 hindsight lens. 
True, right? 

929
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,600
It didn't happen to work out. 
But is it definitely a mistake 

930
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:53,880
that Aegon made? 
It's hard to say. 

931
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,760
So if we're getting back to this
peace conference or this peace 

932
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,480
dinner, whatever we call it, 
Daria would have had some goals 

933
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,520
or things to accomplish. 
One would you just make sure 

934
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:03,760
this whole thing goes off 
without a hitch? 

935
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,040
You know, make sure there's no 
violence. 

936
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:06,360
You know, make sure it all goes 
fine. 

937
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,000
Everybody sees that there's 
peace. 

938
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,160
Everybody sees that they're not 
kowtowing to what the Targaryens

939
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:12,360
want. 
These are still independent 

940
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,280
nations. 
But they'd also want to suss out

941
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,960
Amy's like, is this guy going to
want revenge for his mother, 

942
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,200
like his father did, You know, 
Like, how does he feel about it?

943
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,480
And I think they probably come 
away feeling pretty good about 

944
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,920
it, because he's such a amiable,
like nice person. 

945
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,120
They'd probably be like, well, 
even this guy's really putting 

946
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:33,880
on an act or he's not going to 
come at us. 

947
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,680
And the latter was certainly 
true not to Aegon wouldn't have.

948
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,960
Ames wouldn't have time to come 
after him, or even if he had 

949
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,760
wanted to His his reign's going 
to be beset by internal problems

950
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,680
like the idea of raising an army
and going to Doran is would be 

951
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,080
nuts given what's going to 
happen. 

952
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,640
It's also worth noting that even
if he is just putting on an act,

953
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,200
at least he understands he needs
to put on the ACT. 

954
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:55,600
That's also important. 
Yeah. 

955
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,640
And so think about this from 
Egon's perspective. 

956
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,560
He has to sit there and drink 
toasts and say nice things to 

957
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:05,280
the people that he perceives as 
killing the person he loved most

958
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,880
in this world and may have 
tortured her afterwards and used

959
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,080
her life as a bargaining chip, 
potentially. 

960
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,040
Oh yeah, talk about having to 
pretend it's a really. 

961
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,320
Talk about having to put your 
diplomatic face first. 

962
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:20,160
Because behind deep down he was 
probably feeling some things. 

963
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,960
You know some anger, some 
sadness some a little of both. 

964
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,480
Maybe a lot of both. 
Yeah, definitely. 

965
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,480
He was having emotions though 
this couldn't have been just a 

966
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,040
another trip S Nah, let me go 
get out of his dinner and then 

967
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,600
we'll get this over with. 
No, I'm sure he had a lot like 

968
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,880
another we we always have strong
examples from A Song of Ice and 

969
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,040
Fire for for these social 
situations. 

970
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:40,400
I love it. 
Why? 

971
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,760
I'm in manderly having to like, 
pretend to be happy with the 

972
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:50,480
phrase the phrase who killed his
son at the Red Wedding. 

973
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,560
I mean, this man had to really 
pretend. 

974
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,800
And he did a really good job. 
And he's continuing to keep that

975
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,240
up until he finally got the 
chance. 

976
00:46:57,240 --> 00:47:01,240
And then he let it out like, 
huh, You know, good. 

977
00:47:01,240 --> 00:47:04,000
Or he would have grown up to be 
a Fray, You know, he gets to 

978
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,480
finally unleash his, what he's 
really been thinking all this 

979
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,840
time murdering frays on the road
and being like, I don't know 

980
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:14,360
what happened to them, you know,
So yeah. 

981
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,360
And that's what they're the, the
Dornish men are thinking. 

982
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,280
They're like, well, he's saying 
these nice things, but is he 

983
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,440
going to, like, have some of our
people killed when we're not 

984
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,600
looking like, what is this? 
You know, they they have to be 

985
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,200
worried about revenge from 
someone so powerful. 

986
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:29,680
I wonder if there's any part of 
this trip is to get vicinas or 

987
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:34,840
to get renny's bodies back. 
I wonder if any of this is to as

988
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,720
part of the original letter that
was sent. 

989
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:40,240
Like if you keep the peace 10 
years from now, you know. 

990
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:41,720
Wouldn't be much body left to 
give. 

991
00:47:41,720 --> 00:47:43,360
There'd just be bones. 
But still, that's something. 

992
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,120
Bones matter. 
But the Targaryen's burn their 

993
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:46,720
body. 
Yeah, we never hear about her 

994
00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:49,400
body being returned, only the 
skull of Meraxis, which is, 

995
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,600
Which is part of what makes the 
mystery a little deeper, 'cause 

996
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,560
if we had the body that would, 
well, that would tell us a 

997
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,240
little something that wouldn't 
tell us a whole lot. 

998
00:47:55,240 --> 00:47:58,240
But yeah, yeah, it's possible. 
But maybe that maybe he we 

999
00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:00,640
needed to keep that secret. 
Maybe the the reason we don't 

1000
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,160
know is because the people that 
do know needed to keep that 

1001
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:07,640
piece of its secret, to keep up 
the front of the piece or 

1002
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:08,320
whatever. 
I don't know. 

1003
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,000
I don't know. 
It's just this is just another 

1004
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:11,880
piece to me. 
This is another piece of the 

1005
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,600
mystery. 
The fact that they go back ten 

1006
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,360
years later for this meeting and
it goes well, that there's 

1007
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,600
another piece to consider to 
figure out what was in that 

1008
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:19,240
letter. 
Right on. 

1009
00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:20,800
Yeah, I agree. 
I think it is worth considering.

1010
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,320
By the way, a good point from 
Nina here is he still calls 

1011
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,880
himself King of the Roinar. 
He still declares himself their 

1012
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,600
king even though he had signed 
this Treaty of eternal peace. 

1013
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,400
He didn't stop calling himself 
their king, even though it 

1014
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,600
didn't have any, like, real 
authority behind it. 

1015
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,400
And of course they're going to 
keep saying that until it 

1016
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:42,240
actually does become true, you 
know, 160 years later, 170 ish. 

1017
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,000
Anyway, here's another point 
from Nina. 

1018
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,720
Maybe Aegon applied to Westerosi
less than he might have learned 

1019
00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:49,320
on his progresses and made a 
point of a public show of guest 

1020
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:53,920
right, asking for bread and salt
for himself and his son. 

1021
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,320
Of course that would be 
important rather than just 

1022
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,600
showing up and being like, hey, 
this is a good like observing 

1023
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,560
the forms, diplomatic forms. 
This would be a quite positive 

1024
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:09,120
because that's an ultimate sign,
using Westerosi culture of, you 

1025
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,080
know, I'm going to not murder 
you while you're here. 

1026
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:17,880
And if I do, then I deserve all 
the whatever, all the chagrin, 

1027
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:22,080
all the retribution shame. 
Yeah, like whatever Walter Frey 

1028
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,280
deserves. 
This is what they would deserve.

1029
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,520
Because yes, he did give Rob 
bread and salt and then still 

1030
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,040
did all that. 
So it is a paper shield, but 

1031
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,080
it's a pretty big paper shield. 
And it's good on both sides, 

1032
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:34,680
too. 
Both. 

1033
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,760
It's assuring on both sides that
this is going to go over well, 

1034
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,440
and it's they're both bought 
into Westerosi culture. 

1035
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,120
Yeah, and they showed up on 
their Dragons. 

1036
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,520
It's not like there isn't the 
unspoken threat there to back. 

1037
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,040
And was like, hey, if you murder
us, who knows what those Dragons

1038
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,920
will do, you know, you know. 
So yeah, and we know it was 

1039
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:56,880
Daria Martel ruling. 
We know Nymore died during that 

1040
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:58,960
10 years. 
He might have died right after 

1041
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:00,880
the peace. 
He might have died right before 

1042
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,880
this peace dinner. 
We don't really know, but either

1043
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,040
way, seeing Diria again would be
a pretty big deal. 

1044
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,880
I mean, she is the one who led 
that peace delegation, so 

1045
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,920
whether it was Nymore, you know,
Nymore this Nymore that Diria is

1046
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,240
the one who actually came to 
King's Landing and handed the 

1047
00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:16,640
letter to Aegon and was like for
your eyes only, Your Grace. 

1048
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:21,000
She's the one that took the risk
to her person travelling with 

1049
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,840
Miraxis skull through dangerous 
territory. 

1050
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:27,400
She's the one that would have 
been seized and had awful things

1051
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:31,200
happen to her if the suggestions
at court had been accepted, 

1052
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,080
right? 
Like, make her, you know, put 

1053
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,240
her in a brothel, you know, cut 
her hand off all those things 

1054
00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:38,360
like, so this is not in. 
This is a person who's been in 

1055
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,000
the Dragon's mouth and walked 
back out. 

1056
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,280
This is just a person that's 
gone through some things. 

1057
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,160
She's brave, or at least had 
done a very brave thing. 

1058
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,640
This is in some very fundamental
ways different from the rest of 

1059
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,840
the progresses, but in some ways
very similar to, like you said, 

1060
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,200
like bringing the Dragons with 
them is just this reminder, like

1061
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,680
we're not at war right now, but 
don't forget we still have these

1062
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,200
Dragons. 
You know, if if you prompted us 

1063
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,840
we would, it would just start 
burning you, burning your your 

1064
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,840
fields and your your cities and 
everything down again. 

1065
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,120
We we haven't, you know, lost 
what we had before. 

1066
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,120
Yeah. 
So it's interesting to trace 

1067
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,120
this meeting to what's going to 
happen when Aegon dies. 

1068
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,760
When Aegon dies, of course, lots
of things are going to erupt. 

1069
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,160
Dorn is one of them. 
The Vulture King will emerge and

1070
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:24,320
attack the Reach or the the the 
Marches which includes the 

1071
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,200
Reach. 
But mostly the storm lands. 

1072
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,080
Really Deary is going to claim I
have nothing to do with this. 

1073
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,040
I got you know this isn't my you
know this is Vulture King is is 

1074
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:33,080
a rebel. 
You know I have. 

1075
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:38,280
But is he it's it's certainly 
there's the idea that he might 

1076
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:42,080
be a a proxy or that she's 
helping him in secret, that she 

1077
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,880
really didn't get him started 
but she's happy to help him in 

1078
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,360
secret and to maybe do some 
things here and there. 

1079
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,120
Or just not going after him in 
and of itself. 

1080
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:51,560
Exactly. 
Just ignoring it. 

1081
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,120
Yeah. 
And saying, oh wait, this is out

1082
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:53,960
of my hands. 
Yeah. 

1083
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:58,280
So if when she takes the measure
of Prince Amy's here and sees 

1084
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,200
what kind of man he is, learns 
the kind of person he is, and 

1085
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,120
then gets to see the next 14 
years, actually would be the 

1086
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,840
right number. 
And judging the kind of person 

1087
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,360
he is and and guesstimating 
that, hey, we could get away 

1088
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,520
with this under him, we might 
not be able to under Aegon, but 

1089
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,400
under this guy, yeah, 
absolutely. 

1090
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:19,600
So Yep, that's quite a thing. 
Let's turn our our eyes back to 

1091
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:25,600
the internal Targaryen scenario 
and talk about their marriages. 

1092
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,520
Quote. 
The tradition amongst the 

1093
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:32,400
Targaryens had always been to 
marry kin to kin. 

1094
00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:35,840
Wedding brother to sister was 
thought to be ideal. 

1095
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:41,240
Failing that, a girl might wed 
an uncle, a cousin or a nephew, 

1096
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:46,120
a boy, a cousin, aunt or niece. 
This practice went back to old 

1097
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,640
Valyria, where it was common 
amongst many of the ancient 

1098
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:54,080
families, particularly those who
bred and rode Dragons. 

1099
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,040
The blood of the dragon must 
remain pure, the wisdom went. 

1100
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:02,800
Some of the sorcerer Princess 
also took more than one wife 

1101
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,360
when it pleased them, though 
this was less common than 

1102
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,640
incestuous marriage. 
That last line is very peculiar 

1103
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:11,320
and and needs to be explored 
elsewhere. 

1104
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,400
It doesn't have much to do with 
what we're talking about today, 

1105
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,640
but the fact that it's Sorcerer 
Princess that did this and maybe

1106
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,720
not some of the other ones makes
me really curious. 

1107
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:21,800
Because when we asked George 
about blood magic and and incest

1108
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,720
and old Valyria, he did say that
the blood magicians also 

1109
00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:27,320
practiced incest. 
So maybe then it sounds like 

1110
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,000
these things are related. 
If you have people who practice 

1111
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:33,160
blood magic and you have 
Valyrian Princess from the 40 

1112
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,720
families, some of them are both 
and maybe that's who these 

1113
00:53:35,720 --> 00:53:38,520
sorcerer Princess are and maybe 
that's why they practice 

1114
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:42,280
polygamy and or incest because 
if they have permanently 

1115
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,480
affected their own genetics, 
they want to be able to spread 

1116
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,680
that by having children. 
Now it's still very interesting 

1117
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,160
as well that polygamy is less 
common than incestuous marriage 

1118
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,760
and Aegon's was both Aegon 
practiced a polygamous 

1119
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,000
incestuous marriage, so he just 
clearly thought he was above 

1120
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,600
both that I don't know. 
I don't know what he thought of 

1121
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:59,080
himself as compared to the 
others. 

1122
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,560
He probably just did what he 
thought he could get away with, 

1123
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,600
and that's fine. 
From where he's sitting, which 

1124
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,840
is the Iron Throne, that's where
he's sitting. 

1125
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,400
This also clarifies for us that 
they don't seem to have any 

1126
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,720
qualms about any old pairing 
within the family aunt to 

1127
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,360
nephew, you know, little boy to 
because it doesn't matter. 

1128
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,080
Like any related if it's if it 
works, it works for them. 

1129
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:20,480
And apparently a lot of things 
work. 

1130
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:22,720
I guess all they really cared 
about was will this match 

1131
00:54:22,720 --> 00:54:24,880
produce children A? 
Little rhyme for you where 

1132
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:26,120
they're. 
Like a rhyme? 

1133
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,720
Yeah, I love a good rhyme. 
Related consummate IT. 

1134
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,920
Nice. 
Those were the Targaryen's real 

1135
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,200
house words before they came to 
Westeros. 

1136
00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:39,960
They were like. 
Related and consummated. 

1137
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:44,880
Incest is the best. 
Put your family to the test. 

1138
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:46,800
That's. 
Right, that's that. 

1139
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,320
They live there. 
That's the whole nation of 

1140
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:52,920
Valyria's motto. 
It's like, it's like in God we 

1141
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:56,040
trust for America or whatever. 
Let's have another quote 

1142
00:54:56,040 --> 00:55:00,040
continuing on with the incest 
practice and Valyrian marriages,

1143
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,000
etcetera. 
In Valyria, before the Doom, 

1144
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:08,640
wise men wrote 1000, Gods were 
honored, but none were feared, 

1145
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,040
so few dared to speak against 
these customs. 

1146
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:16,080
This was not true in Westeros, 
where the power of the faith 

1147
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,840
went unquestioned. 
Maybe that's why. 

1148
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:21,360
What would you say? 
I was like, I don't know, it was

1149
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,600
completely unquestioned, like, 
OK, I think there's some 

1150
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,600
questioners. 
There is some people questioning

1151
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:27,960
the power of the faith, 
definitely. 

1152
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,880
For example, the Targaryens like
Megor absolutely questions their

1153
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:33,760
power later and puts it to the 
test. 

1154
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,680
Or in the north of Dragon. 
Is technically part of Westeros 

1155
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,320
right now, at this very moment 
in bed at the right age. 

1156
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:41,720
And the Iron Islands questions 
it too. 

1157
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,520
Yeah, I think, yeah. 
The priests of relor. 

1158
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,720
Yeah, lots of people question 
it, but that might be part of 

1159
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:49,800
it. 
Maybe they were the the 

1160
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,440
Targaryens were just so used to 
doing whatever they wanted and 

1161
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,160
and it was just accepted that 
maybe they thought that the 

1162
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:57,480
faith would give them a little 
bit of a pass. 

1163
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:01,960
I don't know, really powerful 
people can sometimes just it. 

1164
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,640
It seems like a stretch to us. 
But when you have such power and

1165
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,120
privilege, it's you might think 
that you can get away with 

1166
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:09,880
things that to us would be like 
unthinkable. 

1167
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,920
I guess also you could clarify, 
like maybe the Iron Islands 

1168
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,480
question, that the power of the 
faith is greater than their own 

1169
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:20,760
God's power, or question it 
whether it should be worshipped 

1170
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:23,360
or even whether it exists. 
But you can't question that the 

1171
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,440
faith has power, right? 
Maybe not ultimate power, or 

1172
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,240
maybe not the power we care 
about, but it clearly has 

1173
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:30,240
powers. 
Yeah. 

1174
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:32,920
So, yeah. 
And clearly has a lot of power 

1175
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:34,960
in, and that's part of why Aegon
cozied up to it. 

1176
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:36,720
He's like, well, I'm going to, 
I'm not going to take on this 

1177
00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:39,120
power structure. 
I'm going to sit at the, try to 

1178
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,880
sit at the top of it, or at 
least make it my friend. 

1179
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:46,760
And it starts to really matter 
because this is when the 

1180
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:48,600
Princess and princesses start to
be born. 

1181
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:52,040
The big purpose of this episode 
is to show the the first birth 

1182
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,320
of the of the House of the 
Dragon in terms of family 

1183
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,520
members. 
And these are family members 

1184
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,120
that are going to be set to 
marry each other eventually, and

1185
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,480
that's where the problems begin,
or at least where the problems 

1186
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:07,320
are exacerbated. 
While Aenes was at this peace 

1187
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:12,200
dinner in Sunspear, it appears 
that his wife Alyssa was 

1188
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:16,120
pregnant because later in the 
year Reyna is born. 

1189
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:17,600
This is Aegon's first 
grandchild. 

1190
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,880
We're told he cried when he 
first held her, which is a 

1191
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:24,800
curious moment given all of the 
stoicism and lack of personality

1192
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,840
assigned to him. 
But it might also be because of 

1193
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,160
Rainey's, like she's named for 
Rainey's. 

1194
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:33,640
This would have been her 
grandchild. 

1195
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,440
It's a girl. 
It might look like her probably 

1196
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,800
does in terms of hair and eyes. 
I mean they they have that sort 

1197
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:41,720
of. 
I wouldn't say it's all 

1198
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,800
homogeneous, but they it's it's 
a rare trait that only they have

1199
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,160
for the most part in Westeros. 
Now, I'm not someone who thinks 

1200
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:50,640
crying is weakness, and many 
societies and throughout history

1201
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:52,480
didn't either. 
Like if you ever read like 

1202
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:57,440
Homer, not Simpsons, but I do 
make that joke every single time

1203
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,280
because it never gets old. 
But. 

1204
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,200
It makes me laugh every time. 
Yeah, so why would I stop? 

1205
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,600
Right. 
Achilles and the Greeks of the 

1206
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,360
Trojan War did not think it was 
unmanly. 

1207
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,480
For example, he cries a bunch of
times, right? 

1208
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,400
He He cries when he's mad. 
He cries when he's Yeah, just 

1209
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,640
just what they did. 
It was a considered normal and 

1210
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,880
acceptable showing emotion. 
What's the big deal in world 

1211
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:19,720
with the same thing, the car 
theme. 

1212
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:24,400
They weep often and and freely, 
and it's not unmanly. 

1213
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:26,800
So George is certainly 
acknowledges that there's just 

1214
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:30,520
different societal views on men 
crying in Westeros. 

1215
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,400
It is unmanly. 
Let's be clear. 

1216
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,440
I'm not trying to make a point 
about what it should be like in 

1217
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,240
Westeros versus what it is. 
It is considered unmanly by a 

1218
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,200
lot of people in Westeros, 
especially the powerful people 

1219
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,160
in Westeros. 
So it is. 

1220
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,000
That's why it's a curious 
moment, The fact that they would

1221
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,360
write this, the fact that it 
might be true, it definitely 

1222
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,520
humanizes Aegon a bit. 
Assuming it's true. 

1223
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:53,720
And Vesenia immediately 
proposes, proposes, not opposes,

1224
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,320
the opposition will come from 
the other people, proposes 

1225
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,960
betrothing Reyna Tamegor. 
There's a big age gap. 

1226
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,320
But you know, obviously given 
what we just said with these 

1227
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:05,520
quotes, it's not that strange, 
especially given the the girl is

1228
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,600
the younger one, which is the 
less unusual pairing, like when 

1229
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,080
you have a A1 year old boy 
married to a 12 year old girl. 

1230
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,320
That is a little unusual. 
Well, the marriage would be very

1231
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:15,520
unusual. 
Their betrothal would be. 

1232
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,840
But even that even that happens,
especially 'cause that is what's

1233
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:21,000
going to happen to Megor. 
In fact, now you can see the 

1234
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,440
sense in this arrangement 
though, even with the despite 

1235
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:28,080
the the age gap, it unites the 
two lines it it removes 

1236
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:29,880
questions of succession. 
It is. 

1237
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:34,560
This is when I we talk about 
Vesenia and her aim with her son

1238
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:38,760
earlier. 
This says unity between the 

1239
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:40,120
families, 2 branches of the 
family. 

1240
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:43,320
She's trying to create unity. 
Yes, it's also a power move for 

1241
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,960
her branch of the family, which 
is the lesser branch in terms of

1242
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,880
prestige. 
But you can't just put it on all

1243
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:50,040
onto that. 
You know what I mean? 

1244
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,880
Because it absolutely would have
created stability in theory. 

1245
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:57,680
Of course, who knows how it 
would have really gone if they 

1246
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,480
had actually gotten married and 
all that, but and. 

1247
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,600
It doesn't take away power from 
the other branch either, right? 

1248
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,440
In fact, in almost any other 
marriage. 

1249
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:07,760
Takes more power away than this 
would, yeah. 

1250
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:10,480
It makes it 1 branch. 
It almost just create. 

1251
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:11,680
Yeah. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1252
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:13,720
So now it could have 
complicated. 

1253
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:15,640
Things could have been 
complicated by this arrangement 

1254
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:18,000
if a Nice and Alyssa followed up
with a son. 

1255
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,560
So now you have Megor and Rayna 
married together and then they 

1256
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:24,880
have a son. 
So who gets precedence 'cause 

1257
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,760
you could say, well, Rayna, you 
say, well, they Zenya wasn't 

1258
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,480
Lady of Dragonstone, so the 
Targaryens clearly have this 

1259
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,960
male thing going on, so it 
should pass to the boy. 

1260
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:36,200
But if Megor is already married 
to Rain and they've already got 

1261
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:39,680
a paired Targaryen Princess 
Prince, why would they skip that

1262
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:41,720
over? 
You know, so it might have. 

1263
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:45,320
It might have actually created 
some new complications rather 

1264
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:46,800
than just settling the other 
one. 

1265
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:48,280
So it's possible that could have
been a problem. 

1266
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:52,640
Some other complications might 
have come from the 12 year old 

1267
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:56,520
aggressive, arrogant boy going 
through puberty, expected to 

1268
01:00:56,520 --> 01:01:01,080
wait for the newborn baby to 
grow up and marry him like he's 

1269
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,360
going to sleep around, right? 
And probably have some. 

1270
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:07,040
Masters or not agree to the 
marriage or who knows, but 

1271
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,120
that's probably not going to go 
perfectly smooth away all the 

1272
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:10,160
adults once. 
Good point. 

1273
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,640
And either way it comes up, the 
rejections come immediately. 

1274
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:16,480
Apparently Aegon never weighs 
in, which is interesting. 

1275
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,840
The High Septon's like, no, and 
he says no, we didn't. 

1276
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,400
We can't accept that. 
And Amy's and Alyssa say no too.

1277
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,120
So that's just it. 
And like, unless Aegon orders 

1278
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:27,080
them to accept it, that's the 
end of it. 

1279
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,120
So this could really matter 
later. 

1280
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:32,400
This rejection could matter. 
Keep this in your back pocket. 

1281
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:33,880
Don't forget about this 
rejection. 

1282
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,520
It might be. 
It might be taken personally by 

1283
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:38,960
Visenya, by Megor, or by both of
them. 

1284
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:40,600
We know why The High Septon 
says. 

1285
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:42,840
No, that's very straightforward,
but it's actually not quite so 

1286
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:44,520
straightforward. 
It's not just about the incest 

1287
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:48,720
marriage, because Amy's and 
Alyssa go ahead and marry their 

1288
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:52,920
children together anyway, so 
they weren't worried about that.

1289
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:56,160
They weren't worried about the 
incest aspect to Megor and and 

1290
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:58,560
Rayna, they go ahead and marry 
their daughter and their son 

1291
01:01:58,560 --> 01:01:59,960
together anyway, so that's not 
it. 

1292
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:06,120
But Megor is going to marry a 
Hightower, so his refusal to 

1293
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:09,560
accept Megor's marriage to Rayna
does become his does become a 

1294
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:13,560
marriage to the family that's 
closest to the the I septic. 

1295
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,080
I wonder why did Amy's refuse 
it? 

1296
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:17,920
Why? 
I wonder what their angle was. 

1297
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,080
I don't know, it might have been
more about Alyssa. 

1298
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:23,440
Alyssa didn't seem to like 
Megor, and oh gosh, I wonder 

1299
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,520
why. 
I mean, the dude was full of red

1300
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:28,800
with a walking red flag, but it 
might have just been that just 

1301
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:32,000
that Megor was like, no, we 
don't want to want that. 

1302
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:33,520
Or they wanted to keep it within
their own family. 

1303
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:37,400
They they they were set on 
having a son to marry their 

1304
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:38,920
daughter and that's what they 
wanted. 

1305
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,960
Yeah, we were like, let's marry 
her to our first born son, keep 

1306
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,520
it age appropriate. 
And again, I think it's very 

1307
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:51,600
likely they both, or won or 
whatever saw Magor's red flags. 

1308
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,520
Yeah, he's 12 at this time. 
Well, keep that in mind. 

1309
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:56,760
He had no friends. 
He'd already shown violence 

1310
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:00,680
towards animals and violence, 
maybe violence towards, like, 

1311
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:04,920
servants. 
So yeah, lots of red flags. 

1312
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:09,000
And they might have been worried
about his ambition. 

1313
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,840
He might have shown red flags 
about ambition as well, which 

1314
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,200
would have been, Oh yeah, like, 
what's he going to do? 

1315
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,480
Like we don't want to marry our 
daughter to this man, just as 

1316
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:18,000
parents. 
We don't want this man to marry 

1317
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,040
our our daughter. 
Just that's that, that simple. 

1318
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:22,560
It could be that simple, but I 
imagine it isn't just one 

1319
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:23,960
reason. 
It's probably multiple reasons. 

1320
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:27,240
And I'm still just it's really 
interesting about Aegon not 

1321
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:28,400
weighing in at all that we know 
of. 

1322
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,040
Maybe he just agreed he's like 
yeah, let's let's not do that 

1323
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:33,720
And he but he didn't feel the 
need to say so because it would 

1324
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:36,840
rub it in Vicenia and and 
Meghor's faces but they still 

1325
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,360
might they might have been upset
that he didn't force it or weigh

1326
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,640
in. 
I mean like, why don't you have 

1327
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:47,240
something to say here, King? 
Yeah, I mean, I wonder if he was

1328
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,600
like, it's the prerogative of 
the parents. 

1329
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:51,760
They are the parents. 
I'm not. 

1330
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:53,920
It's not my decision. 
He's the king someday. 

1331
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:55,640
I don't tell who. 
I'm not going to decide who 

1332
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:57,720
marries who unless I have to. 
And yeah. 

1333
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:01,720
Except he or his agents had been
doing that for people left and 

1334
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:05,360
right across the realm here to 
suddenly now not do it. 

1335
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:09,720
But not not for his there and 
the future king and like who's 

1336
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:12,120
now has his first born child. 
I don't know. 

1337
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:16,640
I could see it as being this is 
your you know, testing ground, 

1338
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:18,200
as it were. 
And this is your one of your 

1339
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:20,440
first big things that you're 
doing on your own. 

1340
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:22,040
I don't know. 
I think him treating 80s 

1341
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,800
differently than everyone else 
in the realm makes sense. 

1342
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:26,920
Yeah, that makes sense. 
Yeah, he maybe he needed to give

1343
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:29,560
his son his own agency. 
It's, it's it's one of those 

1344
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:31,560
interesting things, though. 
Like, if this were made into a 

1345
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:33,880
show, there would be a lot of 
drama around this. 

1346
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:36,040
I mean, just think about the 
scene when Olena and Marjorie go

1347
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:37,880
to question songs about Joffrey,
right? 

1348
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,040
Like there might be some 
parallel to that. 

1349
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:44,600
I I wonder how much Anis was 
blind to it, or very aware of 

1350
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,480
it, and how much anyone else 
would have had to be like. 

1351
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:49,840
No, look like Anis. 
Be real with yourself. 

1352
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:53,360
He's not all there or something 
like that. 

1353
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:57,360
Or if Amies knew it and like 
that's my question is whether 

1354
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:00,320
Amies kind of had rose colored 
glasses and wanted to look 

1355
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:03,040
because like, think about this, 
this is like his little brother,

1356
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:04,840
right. 
And like, you might. 

1357
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:05,960
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1358
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:08,560
But you might think that he 
would have some real, like 

1359
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:12,040
warmth in his heart for him and 
not one of, especially if he's 

1360
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:14,080
12 years old. 
Only he might be like, no, he's 

1361
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:15,360
still a boy. 
He's still you. 

1362
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:20,560
You might think that Amies 
wouldn't just think of him as a 

1363
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:24,160
lost cause. 
Yeah, and he's a 17 by remind 

1364
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:25,920
ourselves at this point. 
Alyssa, also 17. 

1365
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,440
We see Viserys let Damon get 
away with a lot, too. 

1366
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:29,920
Oh yeah, right. 
Very true. 

1367
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:31,800
Very true. 
But we also see, I think 

1368
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:36,720
Versaries is not unaware of his 
proclivities or issues as well, 

1369
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:38,200
right? 
Like he isn't completely just 

1370
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:40,640
like blinders on either. 
Yeah. 

1371
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:44,600
And Viserys did have, did show 
some spine occasionally. 

1372
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:48,080
Now Amis, Will as well Amis was 
going to like exiled Agor, which

1373
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:50,040
is you obviously don't do that 
lightly. 

1374
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:52,400
And that showed some. 
He wasn't afraid of him, you 

1375
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,120
know. 
But he had to be pushed pretty 

1376
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:55,240
far. 
Kind of like Viserys had to be 

1377
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:57,440
pushed pretty far to like come 
down on Damon. 

1378
01:05:57,640 --> 01:05:59,640
So yeah. 
So maybe just Aegon. 

1379
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:02,360
Another way to look is maybe 
Aegon just isn't that active of 

1380
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:04,600
a family patriarch. 
He's like you said, Shawnee is 

1381
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:07,000
more concerned with the realm 
he's on his progresses all the 

1382
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:08,640
time. 
And Amis was with him a lot of 

1383
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:13,280
progresses and Alyssa was as 
well, although this would be her

1384
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:16,720
participation in the progresses 
would have to slow down I think 

1385
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:18,800
because she's about, she's going
to have five children over the 

1386
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:23,080
next 10 years ish. 
So definitely pregnancies and 

1387
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:26,000
royal progresses aren't always 
able to happen at the same time.

1388
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,840
I mean, you know, you're one or 
two months in, sure travel a 

1389
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:30,160
bit, but. 
Well, that's my other question 

1390
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:30,960
is. 
Six months pregnant? 

1391
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:32,080
No, you're not going on royal 
progress. 

1392
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:34,320
Well, how many times were they, 
like, out on royal progress? 

1393
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:35,880
And they're like, oh, I'm she's 
pregnant. 

1394
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,680
And then they like, stay 
somewhere longer or fly her back

1395
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:40,000
on the dragon quickly? 
I don't know. 

1396
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:41,360
That's nice. 
You could just take her dragon 

1397
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:42,680
back home. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1398
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:44,480
That's why I don't know. 
I'm not sure if I think it's 

1399
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,280
more or less likely, but. 
Air Force One, Targaryen Force 

1400
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:48,560
One. 
Just fly that back. 

1401
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:53,800
I guess hers would be Force 4 
Valerians #1. 

1402
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:57,400
So yeah. 
So yeah, it's it's really 

1403
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:59,520
interesting how Aegon just 
doesn't pop up. 

1404
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:01,320
All these family disputes, all 
these things have happened. 

1405
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:03,680
It's like why isn't Aegon? 
He just isn't present for any of

1406
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:04,960
this. 
It's just really interesting how

1407
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:07,640
often he's just like, well, 
yeah, figure it out yourselves. 

1408
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:10,080
Y'all, which I somewhat respect.
Figure it out yourselves. 

1409
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:13,240
But you kind of she should weigh
in sometimes. 

1410
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:14,800
You know, they they're they're 
17. 

1411
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,560
Like I just said, like, like, 
yes, it's good to like let them 

1412
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:20,880
be adults, but they're not. 
I mean, by the standards of his 

1413
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:22,600
society, they are. 
But they're teenagers. 

1414
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:24,880
Come on, come on, man. 
Yeah. 

1415
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:27,600
And it's also not super clear to
me where like the rest of the 

1416
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,600
family who spent their time 
because the the 20s were a 

1417
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:33,000
decade where the Targaryen 
family exploded in terms of 

1418
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,760
numbers as Amy's and Elicit, 
like I said, just kept having 

1419
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:39,280
kids and well, where where were 
they? 

1420
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:43,840
Where were they at the Aegon 
Fort where they Dragonstone. 

1421
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:46,360
Like which? 
Which was their place to be in 

1422
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:48,680
between. 
Because we hear about this 

1423
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:51,480
incident where Alyssa teases 
Megor about not having a dragon.

1424
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:52,840
It's like, what are you afraid? 
You know? 

1425
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:54,080
And we'll come back to that 
later. 

1426
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:58,200
But that clearly means they were
at the same location at that 

1427
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:02,680
time. 
And Reyna, the first born, is 

1428
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:07,080
going to take on like the real 
older sister mode. 

1429
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,640
She's going to mother her 
younger siblings. 

1430
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:13,600
And I wonder if that's partly 
because their parents were gone 

1431
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:15,400
a lot on their progresses or 
whatever. 

1432
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:19,640
She kind of had to be a second 
mother to her younger siblings 

1433
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,359
because her parents were king 
and queen and well, they're 

1434
01:08:22,359 --> 01:08:26,120
rather busy and traveling a lot 
and didn't have time to be full 

1435
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:28,720
time parents. 
And a lot of they were probably 

1436
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:32,160
raised a lot by maesters and 
nursemaids and other servants 

1437
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:33,359
and men at arms and things like 
that. 

1438
01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:39,080
So Reyna seems to have had that 
nurturing instinct and yeah, so 

1439
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:41,880
probably back and forth. 
I mean, there's probably no, 

1440
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:44,040
there isn't one answer to this. 
Sometimes they would be a 

1441
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:46,399
Dragonstone, sometimes they 
would be a King's Landing, 

1442
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:48,359
sometimes they would be at the 
Egg on Fort. 

1443
01:08:48,359 --> 01:08:49,560
Later they'll be at the Red 
Keep. 

1444
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:54,160
But the Red Keep won't exist 
until after Aegon's reign is 

1445
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:55,640
over. 
It will be started during it, 

1446
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:56,800
but it won't be finished till 
later. 

1447
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,040
So there has to have been some 
movement here and there, and 

1448
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:01,359
that would create all sorts of 
interesting different scenarios 

1449
01:09:01,359 --> 01:09:05,439
with different people and 
different flexible courts 

1450
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:08,000
scenarios of different people 
there. 

1451
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,680
And anyway, I'm rambling, let's 
move on. 

1452
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:15,200
You know, there's a lot of ways 
that you can describe something 

1453
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,680
you like to get people 
interested in it. 

1454
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:21,960
And if you're a a show like 
ours, if you describe a product 

1455
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:25,920
that you use or that you're 
pitching, of course one of the 

1456
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:29,200
reasons you're pitching it is 
'cause you've got a company 

1457
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:33,000
paying you to do that. 
So you want something a little. 

1458
01:09:33,399 --> 01:09:36,800
Sometimes it's good to have a 
little more real information, 

1459
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:38,760
like behind the scenes, like 
what's really going on here? 

1460
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:41,319
Are they just pitching this 
product to me because they're 

1461
01:09:41,319 --> 01:09:43,200
being paid or do they really 
like it? 

1462
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:47,600
Well, one of the best ways I 
think we can prove that we are 

1463
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:52,560
really, really genuinely behind 
this magic mine beverage is that

1464
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:56,040
they gave us a good amount of it
to help you know it. 

1465
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:58,880
They gave us a box of it. 
We drank it. 

1466
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,960
They gave us another box of it. 
We dressed both locations, Sean 

1467
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:05,360
in Denver and me and Shay here 
in in Atlanta, because it takes 

1468
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:08,000
a while to for it to work. 
You got to drink it for a while 

1469
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,480
for some of the effects to 
really take hold. 

1470
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:12,440
So it makes sense that we'd 
spread that out a bit. 

1471
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:16,120
Now it's been a few months, so 
we've mostly run through our 

1472
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:19,040
free product. 
Ashay and I bought it ourselves.

1473
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:22,360
We're still pitching it, but we 
bought it with our own money. 

1474
01:10:22,440 --> 01:10:24,840
I did too. 
I mean, I think that says a lot.

1475
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:29,000
I mean, right, you we actually 
have invested in this ourselves.

1476
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:32,760
So yeah, we're we're fully 
bought in, I guess you could say

1477
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:35,080
and you can go to get some 
yourself. 

1478
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:39,840
You can get in it with us. 
Magicmind.com Westeros is where 

1479
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:43,120
you can go to get 56% off your 
subscription. 

1480
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:47,840
If you use the code Westeros 20,
it can be a little more but 

1481
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:49,720
there's always got they've 
always got some sort of special 

1482
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:53,520
going on So whenever you do hear
this and decide it's time to 

1483
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:56,840
begin Magic mind. 
And I hope that soon use that 

1484
01:10:56,840 --> 01:11:00,040
code Westeros 20 and the sooner 
the better though because the 

1485
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:02,400
deal right now is particularly 
good and also the sooner the 

1486
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:04,640
better for you to start having 
better focus. 

1487
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:08,720
Maybe drinking less coffee maybe
thinking a little more clearly 

1488
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:11,000
and that has a trickle down 
effect on the rest of your life.

1489
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,400
If you if the early part of your
day goes well, then your 

1490
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:16,840
evenings will probably go better
as well that's I tend to crash 

1491
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:20,560
earlier if my day starts badly. 
You know and I think I think 

1492
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:21,640
Magic minds helped out with 
that. 

1493
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:24,680
So yeah, Westeros 20 Magic 
mind.com/westeros. 

1494
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:26,680
OK, let's move on. 
Let's talk a little bit update 

1495
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:28,960
on our topics. 
Moot going over going on over at

1496
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:34,160
patreon.com/history of Westeros,
we ran an authorial poll and 

1497
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:37,640
then a historical influence poll
and then ran the winners of 

1498
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:38,880
those two polls against each 
other. 

1499
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:41,960
And the top vote getter was the 
Wars of the Roses. 

1500
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:43,080
So we'll be doing an episode on 
that. 

1501
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:44,120
It might actually take more than
one. 

1502
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:47,080
We'll see. 
And an episode on Rome Rome's 

1503
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:50,440
parallels and influence on a 
song by some fire but in 3rd 

1504
01:11:50,440 --> 01:11:52,520
place was a tie. 
So we're going to have to have a

1505
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:53,600
run off. 
That's pretty exciting. 

1506
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:55,640
We have never had a pole run off
before. 

1507
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:57,640
Figures. 
Where'd it run off to? 

1508
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:00,320
I don't. 
Know it ran. 

1509
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:04,160
It ran off to tie the knot. 
So we're gonna, yeah, we're 

1510
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:05,280
gonna, we're gonna have a run 
off for that. 

1511
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:06,680
Like I said, it's the first time
it's ever happened. 

1512
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:08,600
Pretty exciting figures that it 
would happen during topics moot 

1513
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:10,720
something poll related. 
That's never happened to us 

1514
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:12,880
before. 
And the run off is between Jr. 

1515
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:15,520
Tokian and the black dinner. 
The black dinner was the 

1516
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:17,120
influence for the Red Wedding. 
And Jr. 

1517
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:20,280
Tokian is Jr. 
Tokian, the guy who wrote Lord 

1518
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:21,520
of the Rings. 
Of course you've heard of him. 

1519
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:24,320
He's the George RR Martin's 
favorite author, so that's 

1520
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:25,600
obviously a big influence on 
him. 

1521
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:28,160
He was also an inspiration for 
one of South Park's characters. 

1522
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:35,280
Yes, I suppose that's true. 
We also have a poll running 

1523
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:40,480
right now, young POV character 
versus young non POV characters.

1524
01:12:40,480 --> 01:12:43,480
We did one poll for each and the
winners advance to compete 

1525
01:12:43,480 --> 01:12:45,680
against each other at the end. 
The six winners which are 

1526
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:50,240
currently being voted on are 
Eamon, Melisandre, old man, So 

1527
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:53,920
young man for purposes of that 
episode, Jaime Lannister virus 

1528
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:56,160
and Barristan. 
One of those is not like the 

1529
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:58,920
others, and I mean you, Jaime 
Lannister, because all these 

1530
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:00,920
characters are pretty old, 
because it makes sense that 

1531
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:03,200
people would pick for looking at
their young life. 

1532
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:07,000
People would pick characters 
that have a lot of relatively 

1533
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:09,480
younger life to talk about. 
You know, the older you are, the

1534
01:13:09,480 --> 01:13:12,080
more your young life can span I 
suppose. 

1535
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:13,720
And. 
Yeah, I found funny was that 

1536
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:17,680
Jamie got like a good 20 or 30 
more votes than Cersei. 

1537
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:20,520
Even though and they both crush 
Tyrion too, like. 

1538
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:23,080
And even though it's a similar 
childhood, yeah. 

1539
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:27,440
Yeah. 
I I find it funny, the idea that

1540
01:13:27,440 --> 01:13:30,360
we could do an episode on the 
War of the Roses. 

1541
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:32,360
Yeah, it's going to take more. 
Rome for that matter. 

1542
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:35,120
Rome might actually be less 
because I think the influences 

1543
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:38,360
are not so huge. 
There's some big ones, and Rome 

1544
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:41,600
itself is just so influential. 
But you know, like about. 

1545
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:46,080
It every day. 
You think about the Roman Empire

1546
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:51,200
every day, of course, like the 
meme says, you know, and yeah, 

1547
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:53,560
'cause it's like Westeros isn't 
particularly like Rome. 

1548
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:56,240
Slaver's Bay and old Valyria 
have some things in common. 

1549
01:13:56,240 --> 01:13:58,080
But yeah, there's there's things
to say, that's for sure. 

1550
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:00,680
And we'll be digging into that 
'cause that was the second 

1551
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:02,840
highest vote getter. 
All right, let's let's get back 

1552
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:04,440
to our topic. 
Today. 

1553
01:14:04,440 --> 01:14:09,600
We are in the year 25 AC. 
Now Megor has a big year. 

1554
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:12,560
There's a melee. 
He's 13 years old and he wins 

1555
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,000
it. 
Veteran Knights taken down by 

1556
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:18,400
Megor. 
Very proud moment for him, very 

1557
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:22,640
proud for his dad and his mom, 
most likely Vasenia, probably 

1558
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:26,040
nodding and like, that's right, 
that's my son right there. 

1559
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:28,120
And then she marry. 
Or then he marries Cerise 

1560
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:30,720
Hightower in Old Town. 
She was 23. 

1561
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:33,000
So instead of someone, instead 
of marrying someone 12 years 

1562
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:34,960
younger than him, he married 
someone 10 years older than him.

1563
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:36,720
It was the melee at Old Town 
too. 

1564
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:38,800
Might have been, it might have 
been, I don't know. 

1565
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:41,000
We have no idea where the melee 
was, but he married her the same

1566
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:43,680
year, so it makes sense. 
Old Town would be a likely 

1567
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:46,160
enough place for such an event, 
but really it could have been 

1568
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:47,080
anywhere. 
It could have been King's 

1569
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:49,880
Landing, probably not 
Dragonstone, a little bit 

1570
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:52,520
remote, but it's possible, and 
it's a political marriage that 

1571
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:55,680
has a lot of sense to it. 
For Aegon, it again connects him

1572
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:58,040
to the Faith, who he's trying to
cozy up to, and the High Towers 

1573
01:14:58,040 --> 01:14:59,360
are about as close as you can 
get to the Faith. 

1574
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:04,120
And Cerise was the niece of the 
current High Septon as well as 

1575
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:07,640
the daughter of the Lord of the 
High Tower, So it really ties 

1576
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:10,520
them directly to both. 
So when we say it's a perfect 

1577
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:13,480
marriage, like Cerise was a 
really perfect candidate because

1578
01:15:13,480 --> 01:15:17,200
of her unique connection to both
the High Septon and House heist 

1579
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:18,680
hat. 
I always struggle to say house 

1580
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:21,680
High Tower, which is part of why
they were willing to be a little

1581
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:23,800
loose with the ages. 
Here they're like, yeah, 13 year

1582
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:26,400
old boy, 23 year old woman. 
That's not usually how they do 

1583
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:29,200
these marriages, but it's not 
exactly unprecedented either. 

1584
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:31,680
He was so sure. 
Now we go into some more detail 

1585
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:35,240
on this in our Under the Dragons
House Hightower episodes. 

1586
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:37,960
There's two of them, but we're 
focusing on it from the 

1587
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:42,040
Targaryen angle this time. 
A son for House Targaryen is 

1588
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:45,560
what Megor declared he made very
confidently that wedding night, 

1589
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:49,120
but of course he did not. 
Had he done so, it would have 

1590
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:51,080
been the first grandson for 
Aegon. 

1591
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:54,320
And that's an interesting race, 
you know, like where they was 

1592
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:56,960
Meghor wanting to have the first
grandson for the house, You 

1593
01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:58,760
know, he's like, well, he wasn't
the first son, but he couldn't 

1594
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:02,320
make the first grandson. 
But you know, the other reason 

1595
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:06,080
for him to want that is that 
might be a son to marry Rayna. 

1596
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:10,640
If his son marries Rayna, who's 
that would be age appropriate 

1597
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:13,920
and it would be harder for Ames 
and Elisa to say no to that. 

1598
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:16,520
And they might not say no to it 
cause like just cause it's 

1599
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:19,160
Megor's son, doesn't mean it's 
going to be like Megor. 

1600
01:16:19,440 --> 01:16:21,840
They might be worried about that
and they might want to hold off 

1601
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:26,520
for a few years just to find out
if he's got the Megor you know, 

1602
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:29,160
DNA too much of it. 
But it would be harder to say no

1603
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:31,840
to not from the Hyseptan's 
perspective, although maybe it 

1604
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:34,240
would have, because that would 
have been a Hightower baby as 

1605
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:37,560
well. 
So what a what an interesting 

1606
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:40,600
child that would have been a boy
if Megor had had a boy with 

1607
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:45,160
Cerise Hightower before Raina 
and Annies had their baby egg 

1608
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:46,640
on. 
Oh boy, would that have been 

1609
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:48,360
interesting. 
You know, another motivation for

1610
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:51,200
Megor to have a son is Cerise 
Hightower might have just been 

1611
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:51,560
hot. 
That's. 

1612
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:54,760
True, that's good motivation 
right there. 

1613
01:16:54,760 --> 01:17:00,560
Yeah, and so this is the Greens.
Before the Greens, right? 

1614
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:03,280
This was, this was if they had 
had any kids, it would have 

1615
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:05,360
become like a scenario, a lot 
like the Greens. 

1616
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:09,680
But since they had no children, 
then that just was cut off 

1617
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:12,200
before it could become a thing, 
and it still was kind of a 

1618
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:13,560
thing. 
It just wasn't as much as a 

1619
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:15,400
thing as it could have been 
because there wasn't other 

1620
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:17,080
Princess and princelings 
involved. 

1621
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:19,440
And other like, alliances would 
have been made, other marriages 

1622
01:17:19,440 --> 01:17:21,560
would have been made, and it 
would have just made the whole 

1623
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:22,800
thing a bigger mess. 
Yeah. 

1624
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:27,040
And because of the way Westeros 
is such a patriarchal society, 

1625
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:30,600
if Megor has a son, that just 
makes him more of a man. 

1626
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:32,920
That's just how Westeros works. 
It's kind of hard for us to 

1627
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:35,640
think that in on those terms or 
to put ourselves in those shoes.

1628
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:38,040
But fathering sons is considered
manly. 

1629
01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:40,520
Fathering Daughters is 
considered Manly too, but he 

1630
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:43,080
couldn't do either. 
But especially Fathering Sons is

1631
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:45,400
considering Manly and Westeros 
as much as, yeah, she was 

1632
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:48,280
supposed to father sons, be good
at fighting and not cry. 

1633
01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:52,880
That's Westeros Manhood in a in 
a nutshell, right there. 

1634
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:55,800
And Megor continues to refuse 
hatchlings all throughout this 

1635
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:57,120
time. 
He's still like, no, I don't 

1636
01:17:57,120 --> 01:18:00,240
want any, I don't want any 
stupid hatchling, a half dozen 

1637
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:01,600
different hatchlings. 
He refuses. 

1638
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:04,720
So it's clearly not about the 
color or the the the horns or 

1639
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:09,200
how long the neck is or whatever
other traits you look for in a 

1640
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:11,040
hatchling. 
And we don't know when this 

1641
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:12,640
happened. 
This probably wasn't just like 

1642
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:15,400
one day they brought him six 
hatchlings on a platter and he 

1643
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:18,080
refused them all. 
It was probably one in the first

1644
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:20,200
year, then another one a few 
months later, and then here's 

1645
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:23,160
another one that just hatched. 
Maybe he likes green. 

1646
01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:24,560
Here's a green dragon for you, 
Meg. 

1647
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:27,000
Or no, he doesn't like green. 
Well, here's a here's a pink 

1648
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:28,160
one. 
No, he definitely doesn't like 

1649
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:30,520
pink. 
So this might be when Alyssa 

1650
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:32,960
teased him about, not about 
being afraid of Dragons. 

1651
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:36,360
And there's a chance she knew 
she figured it out. 

1652
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:39,480
Alyssa is smart. 
She might understand what he's 

1653
01:18:39,480 --> 01:18:41,280
doing by refusing these 
hatchlings. 

1654
01:18:41,440 --> 01:18:44,640
She might get that she's waiting
for the big one, because what 

1655
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:46,360
else would he be doing? 
She doesn't really think he's 

1656
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:48,040
scared. 
You know? 

1657
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:49,360
I don't. 
That doesn't make sense. 

1658
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:53,080
But if she does, the old Back to
the Future, what are you, 

1659
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:55,640
chicken? 
Are you yellow All that sort of 

1660
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:57,720
that sort of thing? 
Then yeah, it might actually 

1661
01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:00,200
work to make Megor lose his 
cool. 

1662
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:03,960
And no, I'm not chicken. 
I'll tame a dragon right now. 

1663
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:04,840
Didn't work. 
Didn't. 

1664
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:05,920
Work. 
But it was worth the try. 

1665
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:08,720
Yeah, because that's a very 
powerful spell, those 4 words. 

1666
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:11,000
It's the simplest cast spell in 
Westeros. 

1667
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:14,480
What are you scared? 
And like variations, like Ashaya

1668
01:19:14,480 --> 01:19:17,880
said, what are you chicken or 
why are you scared? 

1669
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:20,520
It's the most provocative 
question in Westeros. 

1670
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:25,680
It's also very provocative in 
1985 and in the old. 

1671
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:30,720
West Yes, it's it's the most 
powerful spell on men it's ever 

1672
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:33,600
existed. 
The most powerful 4 words ever 

1673
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:36,520
existed for challenging, 
aggressive man. 

1674
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:39,640
Yeah, you have to use the right 
inflection and tone, right? 

1675
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:43,000
What are you scared like? 
It adds more juice to the It's 

1676
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:44,760
like more mana is put into the 
spell. 

1677
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:48,240
Especially coming from Alyssa, 
like herself a woman. 

1678
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:50,000
Exactly. 
Yes, that's right. 

1679
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:51,640
Right. 
So she may have figured it out 

1680
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:53,120
that he was trying to go for a 
bigger dragon. 

1681
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:54,960
It might have been like, well, I
don't want him to do that. 

1682
01:19:54,960 --> 01:20:00,040
Maybe I can talk him into 
through, through shame, into 

1683
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:03,360
taking a smaller dragon now. 
That's another scenario I'd want

1684
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:05,400
to see the details play out on 
screen. 

1685
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:09,400
I bet he was motivated by that 
and did want to tame a dragon if

1686
01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:11,440
Vicinia had to stop him. 
He was like, no, yeah, I'm like,

1687
01:20:11,440 --> 01:20:16,120
no, wait, Patience, my son. 
I haven't counseled you patience

1688
01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:19,280
in many things, but patience in 
this one is a good thing. 

1689
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:21,360
I wonder which hatchlings those 
were. 

1690
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:26,480
I mean, dream Fire doesn't work.
Dream Fire's the oldest one I 

1691
01:20:26,480 --> 01:20:29,320
could think of. 
But Dream Fire is a hatchling a 

1692
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:31,520
few years from now, so it 
doesn't quite work. 

1693
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:34,640
I don't think they stay 
hatchlings for six years or 

1694
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:36,200
eight years, so I don't think 
that works. 

1695
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:39,200
My best guess is one of them was
the cannibal. 

1696
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:44,120
And boy, if a dragon ever exudes
Megor personality, it's that 

1697
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:46,640
one. 
The one that eats its own, you 

1698
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:49,240
know, and and it has no loyalty 
towards its own. 

1699
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:52,680
So much so. 
And it's even black with green 

1700
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:55,240
eyes just like shaggy dog, those
colors. 

1701
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:58,680
Something about that coloration 
is very demonic or self fighting

1702
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:00,440
if you think about the blacks 
versus the greens when the 

1703
01:21:00,440 --> 01:21:05,200
cannibal was alive. 
So again, yeah, so again Eamon 

1704
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:08,360
comes back to us here, Eamon, 
we'll wait and then claim Vegar 

1705
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:09,760
as soon as Vegar comes 
available. 

1706
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:12,640
Similar, very similar and in 
fact who. 

1707
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:17,400
Not to confuse Y'all, but who 
was the rider of Veigar before 

1708
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:20,640
Amond is Lena from 1 faction to 
another is kind of the point. 

1709
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:23,640
The big Dragon shifts factions. 
So this is also the same year 

1710
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:26,560
that King's Landing moves into 
third place size wise bigger 

1711
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:28,280
than Gault Town and White 
Harbor. 

1712
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:31,720
Better access to foreign markets
because of its proximity to the 

1713
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:34,440
Free Cities as compared to like 
Old Town and Landsport. 

1714
01:21:34,440 --> 01:21:37,960
It's it's closer to them. 
Lots of merchants would see an 

1715
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:42,480
opportunity to get in on the 
ground floor in a burgeoning 

1716
01:21:42,480 --> 01:21:43,680
market. 
Well, get in. 

1717
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:47,520
In King's Landing in the year 
25, you're sitting pretty. 

1718
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:50,600
Another 10 years go by you've 
you're established you got 10 

1719
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:53,560
years in the city that's grown 
around you and your your 

1720
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:55,720
business will grow with. 
It might be easier to get 

1721
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:58,160
started at a new city than it is
to break into the existing 

1722
01:21:58,160 --> 01:22:01,320
markets of Lannisport and Old 
Town where they already are 

1723
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:05,280
probably well occupied by the 
existing rich powers, right? 

1724
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:07,880
Like the existing got to be in 
with the high towers, you got to

1725
01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:09,960
be in with the Lannisters, or at
least the people that they're in

1726
01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:14,240
with to to get a good deal, get 
some brakes on customs or 

1727
01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:16,040
whatever. 
And especially when you consider

1728
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:19,400
like the scale of things and the
age of these cities. 

1729
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:22,480
Like it's not necessarily even 
like these upper Lords you're 

1730
01:22:22,480 --> 01:22:26,520
competing with just the the the 
random local farmers. 

1731
01:22:27,440 --> 01:22:30,400
They already own their land and 
pass it on to their families for

1732
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:32,560
generations. 
On all the area around Lannis 

1733
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:37,920
Port or Old Town or wherever 
else but King's Landing, there's

1734
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:40,600
plenty of new farmland for 
anyone to make a stake on. 

1735
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:42,320
Right. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

1736
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:45,360
And a lot of the Lords of the 
Narrow Sea as well, their 

1737
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:49,680
fortunes rose significantly. 
Driftmark and Dragonstone 

1738
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:52,880
itself, and of course Matthew's 
Hook and Claw Isle. 

1739
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:55,320
These places have gained 
significant wealth and power 

1740
01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:56,760
just partly just because of 
their connection to the 

1741
01:22:56,760 --> 01:23:00,440
Targaryen royal House, but also 
just because this era of growth 

1742
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:03,640
has has enabled every the rising
tide lifts all boats, so all the

1743
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:05,240
Free Cities would trade with 
them more too. 

1744
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:08,880
They'd all have more money to 
spend and they'd all be 

1745
01:23:09,480 --> 01:23:11,840
potential in routes to the 
Targaryen like make friends with

1746
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:14,000
the Celtic cars. 
Maybe that gets me in with the 

1747
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:16,720
Targaryen later that might not. 
They might not have cared about 

1748
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:19,000
that as much 100 years ago and 
and they would have less reason 

1749
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:20,520
to. 
So it all, it all stands to 

1750
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:22,240
reason. 
So new connections for the Lords

1751
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:25,680
of the Narrow Sea. 
All sorts of benefits in this 

1752
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:28,280
region and and growth. 
Consider the difference in 

1753
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:30,800
perspective that we turn it back
to the human side of things. 

1754
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:36,000
Aegon and Vesenia and Oris and 
and Ethan Valarian and Osman 

1755
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:39,520
Strong and a lot of these other 
guys would remember what it was 

1756
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:41,480
like before King's Landing even 
existed. 

1757
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:44,200
And now you have these new 
Targaryens, these kids on my 

1758
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:47,080
lawn, on their lawn, who were 
born into a world where it's 

1759
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:51,640
already the third largest city 
in in in just like a generation 

1760
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:53,880
and 1/2. 
Or maybe you can call it two 

1761
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:54,800
generations. 
I don't know. 

1762
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:57,760
It's just a world of difference.
Like the world one. 

1763
01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:01,240
In my day, we didn't have this 
giant smelly city. 

1764
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:05,240
Like it literally wasn't here. 
And these aren't like old 

1765
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:06,880
people. 
These aren't like people in 

1766
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:08,520
their 80s. 
And this isn't like Walder Frey,

1767
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:11,240
like I lived during the 
Blackfyre rebellions. 

1768
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:13,400
No, this is this wasn't that 
long ago. 

1769
01:24:13,440 --> 01:24:17,080
This is like us thinking back on
like 911 or something or 

1770
01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:18,480
something, the turn of the 
century. 

1771
01:24:18,480 --> 01:24:21,040
Like it's not that long ago 
historically speaking. 

1772
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:25,080
But from a perspective wise, 
like no city versus huge city, 

1773
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:27,000
that's just such a bigger 
difference. 

1774
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:30,720
And like Reyna and Alyssa and 
Aegon and young Aegon were born 

1775
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:32,360
into this world where King's 
Landing existed. 

1776
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:35,480
And Aegon and Viceni were like, 
yeah, these kids today don't 

1777
01:24:35,480 --> 01:24:38,480
know what it was like before. 
The following year is the year 

1778
01:24:38,480 --> 01:24:40,280
26. 
So the year 25 was one of the 

1779
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:43,160
most bustling years, 26, a 
little less so. 

1780
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:46,480
But Aegon was born the first 
grandson. 

1781
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:48,840
Pretty big deal. 
So all the Megor must have been 

1782
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:50,800
disappointed. 
Vicenia maybe as well. 

1783
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:54,680
Certainly Alyssa and Amyes were 
not disappointed. 

1784
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:56,360
They may have been relieved. 
Who knows? 

1785
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:59,280
Like, they were like, oh, we 
beat Megor, you know, didn't 

1786
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:01,480
want that to happen. 
And now it it just seals all up,

1787
01:25:01,480 --> 01:25:02,920
like, OK, we can keep it within 
the family. 

1788
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:06,600
So as there may be relaxing a 
bit and knowing that they can 

1789
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:08,960
create, keep it all on their 
side of the family. 

1790
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:12,960
That creates problems down the 
road for how the faith is going 

1791
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:15,400
to react to all this. 
And it will be a big problem. 

1792
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:18,200
Oren Baratheon is going to be 
born the same year as well. 

1793
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:20,880
He's going to have an 
entertaining life, a life that 

1794
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:26,560
will entertain us, us readers. 
He's not necessarily going to be

1795
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:29,520
a happy person or have things go
out or go well for him, but he 

1796
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:31,680
is going to provide us with some
entertainment. 

1797
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:34,360
He's a younger brother of Rogar 
Baratheon, who of course will be

1798
01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:37,240
driving all the Baratheon 
activity moving forward, 

1799
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:41,400
starting right around the time 
Ain't E becomes King. 

1800
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:42,760
So we're still a decade away 
from that. 

1801
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:46,000
But I like to point out when 
these figures are born because 

1802
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:49,160
their early lives matter too. 
It's also the year the walls are

1803
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:51,000
finished. 
So we talked about those walls. 

1804
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:53,080
That Walls project took six 
years. 

1805
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:56,120
And this will be a good example 
of like another mark in King's 

1806
01:25:56,120 --> 01:26:00,880
Landings growth. 
That would be a a milestone in 

1807
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:05,040
its development that would parse
its existence as a difference 

1808
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:09,120
between those who saw it when it
was young or non existent versus

1809
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:11,240
those who are like, wow, it got 
walls today. 

1810
01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:14,240
You know, that's a change. 
Like, Yep, that's nothing 

1811
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:16,520
compared to when it wasn't here 
at all. 

1812
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:19,640
Not much to say about the year 
27, so we'll skip to the year 

1813
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:23,400
28. 
There was a great tournament at 

1814
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:26,760
River Run in the year 28. 
This was possibly still Lord 

1815
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:29,640
Edmund Tully. 
We don't know how long he lived.

1816
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:32,680
Remember, this is the guy that 
became Hand of the King in the 

1817
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:37,040
year 7 and then quit in the year
9 when his wife died in 

1818
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:40,200
childbirth. 
And he's also, of course, the 

1819
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:43,240
same guy that's Lord Paramount 
of the Trident, and that might 

1820
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:47,120
be, you know, he's doing his 
thing as Lord Paramount, 

1821
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:50,080
throwing a tournament. 
And this is a great tournament, 

1822
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:52,160
not just a small tournament, 
great tournament like one of the

1823
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:54,000
like like Ashford Meadows or 
something like that. 

1824
01:26:54,440 --> 01:26:58,200
So if he were not Lord Paramount
of the Trident, he might not 

1825
01:26:58,200 --> 01:27:02,800
have had this tournament, and 
honestly, honestly, probably 

1826
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:05,280
wasn't Lord Edmond by this time.
But it it might have been. 

1827
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:10,000
I mean, Aegon's still alive, so 
why not Lord Edmond either way, 

1828
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:13,000
The more important thing that 
happened at this event, I think,

1829
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:16,880
is that Megor increases his 
reputation. 

1830
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:20,360
You remember he won that melee 
before, which was pretty 

1831
01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:24,520
impressive, but this time he 
beats three nights of the 

1832
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:27,040
Kingsguard in a row in the 
joust. 

1833
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:30,800
He does eventually lose to 
somebody, we don't know who, and

1834
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:34,880
then goes on to win the Melee. 
So he's won another Melee, and 

1835
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:37,720
that's as impressive as it 
sounds like I we have no reason 

1836
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:39,480
to think people were losing to 
him on purpose. 

1837
01:27:39,480 --> 01:27:44,400
Like we sort of suspect might 
have happened for Rhaegar at the

1838
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:46,680
tournament at lands for not that
Rhaegar wasn't a good word, he 

1839
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:49,880
was, but we still have evidence 
to suggest the possibility that 

1840
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:53,040
they lost him on purpose because
of Tywin's plan to marry him to 

1841
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:55,480
Cersei. 
But regardless, there's none of 

1842
01:27:55,480 --> 01:27:57,360
that here. 
Megar's already married. 

1843
01:27:57,800 --> 01:28:00,080
You know, maybe they just want 
to make Megor look good, but it 

1844
01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:01,880
doesn't seem very likely. 
Three different nights, the 

1845
01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:04,360
Kingsguard agreeing to lose 
after he's already proven 

1846
01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:06,280
himself a great warrior. 
This seems legit to me. 

1847
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:07,760
I have no reason to suspect it's
not. 

1848
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:11,360
I think there's some reason to 
suspect it's not, but I I don't.

1849
01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:14,080
I think the default is to accept
it, but I think there is some 

1850
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:17,400
reason because we've seen other 
examples of bouts being thrown 

1851
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:20,360
and there might even be some 
fear of retribution for Megor if

1852
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:21,720
they beat him or something. 
Like that? 

1853
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:23,880
Yeah, that's possible. 
Now one of those three nights of

1854
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:26,360
the Kingsguard might have been 
this very same Lord Commander 

1855
01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:28,560
Coralis Valarium that we've 
mentioned a few times. 

1856
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:32,280
That would be brother to the 
master ships, Lord Ethan, and 

1857
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:35,560
would be thus A relation, 
probably the uncle of of Alyssa.

1858
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:39,560
So if the division between the 
family started by this point, if

1859
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:43,440
the the lines between the Ames 
branch and the Magor branch have

1860
01:28:43,480 --> 01:28:47,360
have developed, if they're a 
thing already, well that would 

1861
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:50,080
be a reason to not lose to him 
on purpose for sure like Lord if

1862
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:55,320
if if the Lord Commander is 
taking the side of his kin, he's

1863
01:28:55,320 --> 01:28:57,600
definitely not tanking it for 
for Megor and he's also not 

1864
01:28:57,600 --> 01:28:58,960
going to be afraid of him I 
don't think. 

1865
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:00,520
I mean this is the Lord 
Commander, the Kingsguard, he's 

1866
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:03,160
probably not afraid of anybody. 
Meanwhile Megor is rewarded for 

1867
01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:05,800
this by being knighted becomes 
the youngest knight in the realm

1868
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:07,800
and that's why I mentioned this 
whole. 

1869
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:09,200
Did anyone lose on purpose 
thing? 

1870
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:12,480
Because the youngest knight in 
the realm, and he happens to be 

1871
01:29:12,480 --> 01:29:15,720
the A Prince. 
Yeah, it seems like he really 

1872
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:18,080
did earn it, though it doesn't. 
Again, doesn't, doesn't come up 

1873
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:21,320
as nepotism. 
Maybe a little bit, but but not 

1874
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:23,800
too much. 
Aegon knighted him personally, 

1875
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:28,280
too, so that had to be a good 
feeling for Megor, and Vicena 

1876
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:30,400
would have been happy with that.
And it wasn't. 

1877
01:29:30,480 --> 01:29:32,480
It was an impressive 
accomplishment, assuming it was 

1878
01:29:32,480 --> 01:29:35,000
all as legit as it looked. 
I will say depends on what you 

1879
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:37,680
mean by earn it. 
Because you know, as you're 

1880
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:40,760
going to point out here in a 
second, I think that Gregor 

1881
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:47,400
might be a legitimate physical 
force on the battlefield, but I 

1882
01:29:47,400 --> 01:29:48,960
don't think he earned being a 
knight. 

1883
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:51,480
There's more to being a knight 
than just being a great fighter.

1884
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:54,040
They said yeah I agree and 
Westeros tends to forget that. 

1885
01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:56,680
Westeros tends to forget about 
the the non fighting parts of 

1886
01:29:56,680 --> 01:29:59,560
knighthood which is why people 
like Sandor are disgusted with 

1887
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:03,240
the the idea in the 1st place 
and you get it. 

1888
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:06,240
I understand why Sandor hates it
cuz yeah that is pretty blatant 

1889
01:30:06,240 --> 01:30:10,040
society wide hypocrisy. 
Very few people push true 

1890
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:13,480
knighthood in the way that, like
a Sansa thinks about it, or even

1891
01:30:13,480 --> 01:30:18,080
someone that's not attaching 
naive views to it, which Sansa 

1892
01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:21,200
doesn't anymore. 
But I meant younger Sansa, of 

1893
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:22,840
course. 
So yeah, you're right to bring 

1894
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:26,120
up Gregor Cuz Megor even the 
name sounds kind of similar. 

1895
01:30:26,120 --> 01:30:30,160
I mean, this is a man who will 
be an awful lot like Gregor, 

1896
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:32,640
especially in that they are both
awful a lot. 

1897
01:30:33,240 --> 01:30:34,840
So yeah, a lot. 
Awful. 

1898
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:39,040
Let's move up to the year 29 AC.
One more year Prince Viserys is 

1899
01:30:39,040 --> 01:30:41,240
born. 
This is the first Viserys that 

1900
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:44,320
we know of. 
Not Viserys the first though. 

1901
01:30:45,160 --> 01:30:48,160
He will eventually be Squire to 
Megor and would be very popular 

1902
01:30:48,160 --> 01:30:50,320
in the realm. 
Though he will never ride a 

1903
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:53,840
dragon with those walls finished
three years prior they had more 

1904
01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:56,400
options now they could actually 
afford they were like OK, I'm 

1905
01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:58,080
worried about what's going to 
happen to King's Landing when 

1906
01:30:58,080 --> 01:30:59,760
I'm not here. 
Now they don't have to worry 

1907
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:02,960
about they're like well we got 
walls I can go elsewhere and and

1908
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:05,800
we're not so worried about some 
invasion happening so they went 

1909
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:09,560
on the offensive and by they I 
mean the council. 

1910
01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:13,080
Aegon was not part of this. 
Sir Osman Strong handed the king

1911
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:16,280
went with Lord Ethan Valorian, 
master of ships, to the Step 

1912
01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:20,400
Stones to fight Sargoso San, the
pirate King and apparent 

1913
01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:24,120
ancestor of Salador. 
Presumably this is something 

1914
01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:27,680
along the lines of what we see 
in House of the Dragon, or 

1915
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:29,960
various times when the Step 
Stones have been a problem for 

1916
01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:34,480
Westeros, which is some sort of 
pirate king or the equivalent. 

1917
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:39,160
It might be a nation like Mirror
Lis or Volantis or a grouping of

1918
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:43,120
them or Tyrosh holding it and 
then exacting finds as if there 

1919
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:46,240
were some sort of pirate king 
seizing vessels and taking 

1920
01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:49,720
stuff. 
Little of 1 little of the other 

1921
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:51,120
they're they're end up being 
kind of similar. 

1922
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:55,160
So that's probably what the 
Salador or Sargoso san fellow 

1923
01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:58,440
was doing. 
So they had to go after him. 

1924
01:31:58,440 --> 01:32:02,000
They sent their fleet, went 
after him and Megor went with 

1925
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:05,720
them. 
Oh yeah, 17 year old Megor and I

1926
01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:09,320
got a picture of this guy like I
I've my head cannon is like 

1927
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:12,480
Victorian, he's in his armor. 
He doesn't have an axe, but he's

1928
01:32:12,480 --> 01:32:17,360
got dark sister, right? 
And whoa, right, Dark sister in 

1929
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:19,080
hand. 
I think I forgot to mention that

1930
01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:22,000
he was given dark sister. 
Would Dark Sister look a little 

1931
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:25,240
puny in his hands though? 
I wondered about that. 

1932
01:32:25,240 --> 01:32:30,040
Yeah, Like, was it Ben More? 
For Vasenia, it's definitely not

1933
01:32:30,040 --> 01:32:32,600
a big, big old blade and he's a 
big old guy. 

1934
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:34,840
Yeah, he is a big old guy now, 
aiming The dragon Knight was 

1935
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:37,160
also a large man and it didn't. 
Apparently no one ever said it 

1936
01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:39,720
looks small in his hand and 
while you won't rework the 

1937
01:32:39,720 --> 01:32:41,600
blade, you might rework the 
hilt. 

1938
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:43,720
You could be give it a bigger 
hilt and so that would might 

1939
01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:47,440
make it more appropriate for 
Meghor's hand. 

1940
01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:50,280
Arnold Schwarzenegger's a big 
guy, but if he's sold an M16, 

1941
01:32:50,280 --> 01:32:52,000
your thought isn't What a puny 
gun? 

1942
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:55,360
Right like he. 
Could hold a bigger gun, but a 

1943
01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:57,520
sword is a sword. 
You know it's still a long 

1944
01:32:57,520 --> 01:33:00,000
sword. 
Even if it's a relatively small 

1945
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:01,520
long sword, it's still a long 
sword. 

1946
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:05,080
Good point. 
Yeah, so he must have killed 

1947
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:06,920
some pirates. 
I mean, I can't imagine he 

1948
01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:09,040
wouldn't have been, but what a 
what a sight he was must have 

1949
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:11,000
made. 
You're like some pirate on a 

1950
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:15,640
ship and you come to the rails, 
crash together and men are 

1951
01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:18,560
boarding and you're like, that 
guy hops over the rail. 

1952
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:21,640
You're like, whoa, I'd rather 
fight someone else. 

1953
01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:24,360
The Ironborn would prove Victor 
Iron would be like. 

1954
01:33:24,360 --> 01:33:27,960
Yeah, now that guy not afraid of
drowning. 

1955
01:33:28,040 --> 01:33:30,080
Yeah. 
Now, honestly, I have no eyes 

1956
01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:31,760
fall overboard. 
I don't fall overboard. 

1957
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:33,840
Yeah. 
Now I have no idea if Megor 

1958
01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:36,440
actually wore his armor. 
I just feel like he just seems 

1959
01:33:36,440 --> 01:33:39,680
like he would. 
I'm just like guessing and feel 

1960
01:33:39,680 --> 01:33:41,800
like it's a good guess. 
Now, he would have had some 

1961
01:33:41,800 --> 01:33:43,240
people with him. 
He would have had some sworn 

1962
01:33:43,240 --> 01:33:45,880
Shields, You know, his father 
and mother would have been like,

1963
01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:48,400
well, you're not going entirely 
by yourself here, you know? 

1964
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:52,280
You know you're with Lord Ethan 
Osmond Strong, but it might not 

1965
01:33:52,280 --> 01:33:53,920
have included Kingsguard. 
They might have been. 

1966
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:56,000
It is more Princess and Prince 
lings for them to guard. 

1967
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:59,160
And and let's be honest Megor 
needs less guarding than just 

1968
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:01,600
about anyone else in the family.
But he's they still would have 

1969
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:03,440
had some some guys with him 
probably. 

1970
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:06,960
And this is important because 
this is the first time that in 

1971
01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:12,680
under Aegon's reign that they do
a Marshall activity outside of 

1972
01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:14,800
the Kingdom. 
Unless you count Dorn, you know 

1973
01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:17,400
and this wasn't conquest either.
So it was. 

1974
01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:20,560
It was military action in a 
nearby territory designed to 

1975
01:34:21,200 --> 01:34:23,000
presumably make things better 
for them, but would also 

1976
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:25,640
probably make things better for 
the Free Cities around as well. 

1977
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:28,480
It probably was, except for 
maybe lease cause. 

1978
01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:31,920
Sargasso's son is lysine, so he 
might have been backed by 

1979
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:33,600
elements there, but maybe not, 
maybe not. 

1980
01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:36,720
It may have also been Sargasso 
who attacked Tall Trees Town. 

1981
01:34:36,720 --> 01:34:39,160
He might have been the one that 
that pulled off that daring 

1982
01:34:39,160 --> 01:34:41,120
raid, though I imagine they 
would have said so if if that 

1983
01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:44,560
was the case. 
Speaking of important navigators

1984
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:47,880
and and seamen, AC Woman, an 
important sea woman, was born 

1985
01:34:47,880 --> 01:34:50,640
this year. 
Alyssa Farman of Sun Chaser 

1986
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:53,320
fame. 
But of course her her campaign 

1987
01:34:53,320 --> 01:34:57,320
wouldn't be for a couple of 
decades and the campaign against

1988
01:34:57,320 --> 01:35:00,280
Sargoso may not have succeeded. 
Well, it definitely didn't 

1989
01:35:00,280 --> 01:35:03,760
succeed because they went back 
the following year and maybe I I

1990
01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:06,880
don't think the first time was a
disaster given that it was the 

1991
01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:09,160
exact same group of leaders in 
Meghor again. 

1992
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:11,160
Or maybe that's just the way 
it's written, makes it sound 

1993
01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:12,800
like they went twice. 
Maybe it was just a two year 

1994
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:15,640
campaign, I'm not entirely sure 
either way. 

1995
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:17,760
Depends on how you define 
success, right? 

1996
01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:22,680
Like because we went to a war in
Iraq in the 90s and that was one

1997
01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:25,880
of the most successful military 
operations of all time, and we 

1998
01:35:25,880 --> 01:35:27,960
went back again 10 years later. 
It doesn't mean we didn't 

1999
01:35:27,960 --> 01:35:29,200
succeed the first time. 
That's true. 

2000
01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:31,120
That's true. 
And the San family clearly 

2001
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:32,720
continued. 
So it didn't wipe them out like 

2002
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:35,200
they they clearly kept on going.
Maybe they just maybe he just 

2003
01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:37,840
sailed off into the sunset to 
enjoy his wealth somewhere else.

2004
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:39,640
And again, the connections, at 
least here, are interesting. 

2005
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:43,880
Not just because they might have
been backing him or not, but 

2006
01:35:43,880 --> 01:35:49,680
because Aegon helped the Lysenti
at the end of the Century of 

2007
01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:53,720
blood. 
Pray recall how he burnt a 

2008
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:56,400
volunteer fleet that was 
preparing to invade lice. 

2009
01:35:56,400 --> 01:36:00,200
So yeah, that's that's that's 
important to keep in mind 

2010
01:36:00,360 --> 01:36:03,320
though. 
Rebellions were curbed by the 

2011
01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:05,560
thought of Aegon and Valerian 
etcetera. 

2012
01:36:05,560 --> 01:36:09,480
We didn't have any rebellions 
inside Westeros during Aegon's 

2013
01:36:09,480 --> 01:36:11,560
reign. 
There were still, you know, 

2014
01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:14,720
smaller scale problems. 
Bandit leaders, robber Knights, 

2015
01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:16,240
pirate kings. 
Guys we just saw. 

2016
01:36:16,240 --> 01:36:20,000
Although technically Sargoso 
wasn't operating in Westeros, he

2017
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:23,600
was affecting Westeros. 
And still, this was another 

2018
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:25,960
reason to have walls, right? 
Like a powerful enough bandit 

2019
01:36:25,960 --> 01:36:28,320
leader could have, you know, 
raided King's Landing. 

2020
01:36:28,320 --> 01:36:30,640
It wouldn't be the same scale, 
they wouldn't be carrying off 

2021
01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:34,760
slaves to other continents, but 
it could have done some damage. 

2022
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:38,000
One example is the so-called 
Giant of the Trident. 

2023
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:40,680
We don't know his real name. 
Must have been a very notable 

2024
01:36:40,680 --> 01:36:42,840
Robert Knight given he was 
remembered by the histories. 

2025
01:36:43,200 --> 01:36:46,000
Robber Knight is usually not 
going to be a problem for the 

2026
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:48,280
king or the hand or the royal 
family at all, really. 

2027
01:36:48,280 --> 01:36:50,760
That's usually something for 
just some house to take care of,

2028
01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:53,040
you know, House tall, you take 
care of that house Harrenhal 

2029
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:54,640
take care of that. 
But clearly they didn't. 

2030
01:36:54,720 --> 01:36:57,480
They couldn't. 
This guy was such a problem that

2031
01:36:57,480 --> 01:36:59,520
they needed to go up the chain 
for bigger help. 

2032
01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:04,160
This is kind of like Dagon 
Greyjoy, who just busted out and

2033
01:37:04,160 --> 01:37:06,480
started attacking the West Coast
of Westeros. 

2034
01:37:06,920 --> 01:37:09,760
And Bloodraven's like 
Lannisters, Starks, you deal 

2035
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:11,600
with that. 
And they tried to and they 

2036
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:13,200
couldn't. 
So he had to send some help, 

2037
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:16,160
which was embarrassing for 
everyone involved. 

2038
01:37:16,160 --> 01:37:17,360
Except. 
Except the Ironborn. 

2039
01:37:18,120 --> 01:37:20,400
Yeah, who were like, yeah, until
they lost. 

2040
01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:22,480
And then they were like, oh, 
that wasn't worth it, was it? 

2041
01:37:22,840 --> 01:37:24,480
But it was a great ride. 
Yeah. 

2042
01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:28,360
So this guy was pretty clearly 
operating in the Riverlands, 

2043
01:37:28,360 --> 01:37:30,200
given his name was the Giant of 
the Trident. 

2044
01:37:30,480 --> 01:37:33,280
But, and it's hard not to think 
of Gregor Clegaine or the 

2045
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:36,880
smiling knight who Jamie 
remembers as the Gregor Clegaine

2046
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:39,120
of his day, half as big but 
twice as mad. 

2047
01:37:39,680 --> 01:37:43,040
So yeah, there's clearly men 
like this have exist from time 

2048
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:47,640
to time, people who are such a 
problem that the the royal house

2049
01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:50,000
has to get involved. 
So yeah, so clearly it's Hullys.

2050
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:51,880
Or the Harrenhalls. 
The Harrenhalls. 

2051
01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:57,480
The Co Harris's Kohairai. 
I don't even know what to call 

2052
01:37:57,480 --> 01:38:00,000
these people could stop him. 
And the reason I mentioned the 

2053
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:02,640
Kohairai Gargon the guest, that 
awful man who was in charge, 

2054
01:38:03,120 --> 01:38:07,960
He's a Tully grandson, so he's 
connected to the Lord's 

2055
01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:10,520
Paramount of the Trident. 
But neither the Blackwoods or 

2056
01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:13,600
the Strongs or the Brackens or 
whoever couldn't stop this guy. 

2057
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:16,840
So who kills him? 
Megor, like a lot of people, 

2058
01:38:16,840 --> 01:38:19,320
wouldn't know the red flags 
about Magor. 

2059
01:38:19,320 --> 01:38:21,720
They wouldn't know that he had 
harmed animals and that he's a 

2060
01:38:21,720 --> 01:38:24,520
brute just from his reputation. 
Now this is a guy that takes 

2061
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:27,000
care of business. 
Winning tournaments, killing 

2062
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:29,920
bandits, like a lot of people 
probably liked him. 

2063
01:38:30,120 --> 01:38:32,080
They would maybe change their 
opinion later. 

2064
01:38:32,520 --> 01:38:35,800
But in the early going, before 
his reputation was fully known, 

2065
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:39,240
if all you hear about what is 
what a winner he is, you could 

2066
01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:42,480
see why people would from a 
distance might like yeah okay, 

2067
01:38:42,480 --> 01:38:45,800
Prince magor cool, cool wielding
of Lurian steel blade with a 

2068
01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:48,600
cool name. 
I mean, yeah, like that's, yeah,

2069
01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:51,800
reputation building. 
Whether Magor actually thought 

2070
01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:54,120
he was keeping the Magor might 
has been like, yeah, I want to 

2071
01:38:54,120 --> 01:38:56,120
fight this guy. 
I want to fight some dude that 

2072
01:38:56,120 --> 01:38:57,400
thinks he's the giant of the 
Trident. 

2073
01:38:57,400 --> 01:38:58,800
This is the kind of man I want 
to fight. 

2074
01:38:59,040 --> 01:39:03,080
Again, think of Victorian and 
how Victorian is such a warrior 

2075
01:39:03,080 --> 01:39:05,760
at heart that he's like, I give 
half my teeth to fight Jamie 

2076
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:09,680
Lannister. 
What kind of mindset is that? 

2077
01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:13,400
Like he would give his teeth 
just to fight some guy just 

2078
01:39:13,400 --> 01:39:14,760
because it would be a great 
fight. 

2079
01:39:14,760 --> 01:39:17,520
Like, that's Megor. 
Like Megor is like, oh man, let 

2080
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:20,680
me add him, let me add him. 
I want to fight this guy because

2081
01:39:21,080 --> 01:39:25,480
he sees the reputation, he sees 
the prestige that he could earn 

2082
01:39:25,480 --> 01:39:28,480
by beating this man. 
Also, he just likes fighting, as

2083
01:39:28,480 --> 01:39:30,040
we've seen. 
It's like he wants to fight 

2084
01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:32,640
someone who's a worthy, worthy 
opponent, someone he doesn't 

2085
01:39:32,640 --> 01:39:34,400
have to hold back against. 
It's not a tournament, like 

2086
01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:37,080
actual blood will be drawn. 
Can you imagine? 

2087
01:39:37,080 --> 01:39:38,440
It's like in the moment it's 
happening. 

2088
01:39:38,480 --> 01:39:41,200
The giant that tried and 
probably easy to spot in a you 

2089
01:39:41,200 --> 01:39:44,000
know in a battle he's probably 
got a big standard and he's a 

2090
01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:46,840
large man if the unless it's one
of those like sarcastic 

2091
01:39:46,840 --> 01:39:50,960
nicknames like he's actually 
like 5 foot 2 and 100 lbs and 

2092
01:39:51,400 --> 01:39:55,480
the giant of the Trident once 
your blood I'm coming for you 

2093
01:39:55,640 --> 01:39:59,840
fear me I'm the giant of the 
Trident Meghor's like I wanted 

2094
01:39:59,840 --> 01:40:02,600
to prove myself and this is well
come on man. 

2095
01:40:02,600 --> 01:40:05,720
No, but seriously. 
It's all it's everything he 

2096
01:40:05,720 --> 01:40:10,160
wanted as a worthy opponent that
he could be get more fame and 

2097
01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:12,400
and defeat. 
Yeah, and it also does have to 

2098
01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:14,840
be dealt with. 
Like as as we return to the 

2099
01:40:15,360 --> 01:40:17,760
heart of feudalism the king is 
supposed to deal with things 

2100
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:20,840
like this and and sending his 
own son to deal with it is a 

2101
01:40:20,840 --> 01:40:24,120
pretty good way of showing that 
he's taking a personal stake in 

2102
01:40:24,120 --> 01:40:27,600
this this issue. 
So moving on to the year 32 AC, 

2103
01:40:28,040 --> 01:40:31,640
here's a good time as any to 
note that Lord Ori's One Hand is

2104
01:40:31,640 --> 01:40:33,760
still alive. 
We haven't heard from him in a 

2105
01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:36,360
while, but the small chance that
he had to inherit the throne is 

2106
01:40:36,360 --> 01:40:39,080
all but gone now, right? 
There was a time before any 

2107
01:40:39,080 --> 01:40:41,240
Princess had been born and you 
know it. 

2108
01:40:41,240 --> 01:40:45,680
Had Aegon died, he might have 
become king, but you know that's

2109
01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:48,920
long gone and he has his own 
large family developing down to 

2110
01:40:48,920 --> 01:40:50,800
Storm's End. 
So we'll come back to them 

2111
01:40:50,800 --> 01:40:52,200
later. 
Just wanted to check in real 

2112
01:40:52,200 --> 01:40:54,600
quick there. 
This is the year 32 AC that 

2113
01:40:54,600 --> 01:40:58,440
Reyna is presented with dream 
fire and bonded with her pretty 

2114
01:40:58,440 --> 01:41:02,120
quickly. 
She is nine years old at this 

2115
01:41:02,120 --> 01:41:05,400
time. 
Example of someone who starts 

2116
01:41:05,400 --> 01:41:09,320
off a little shy, starts off a 
little weak, and then when they 

2117
01:41:09,320 --> 01:41:11,520
bond with their dragon, their 
confidence shoots up. 

2118
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:13,960
In some cases, it's more than 
just their confidence, like 

2119
01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:15,880
Amy's himself. 
It was like it almost seemed 

2120
01:41:15,880 --> 01:41:19,040
like some of his physical 
strength was derived from his 

2121
01:41:19,040 --> 01:41:20,800
bond with Quicksilver. 
So now we see the same thing 

2122
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:23,760
with Rayna and who's again, we 
have an amazing parallel from A 

2123
01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:25,560
Song of Ice and Fire. 
Danny. 

2124
01:41:25,800 --> 01:41:28,600
Remember I'm Bring me my egg, 
Bring me my egg. 

2125
01:41:28,600 --> 01:41:30,600
You know I want a credit. 
And it brings her strength. 

2126
01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:31,920
She feels stronger when she's 
holding the egg. 

2127
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:34,800
She feels the warmth within it 
when, which no one else feels. 

2128
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:37,400
So there's definitely some 
supernatural element potential 

2129
01:41:37,400 --> 01:41:41,440
here, like, and if Reyna felt 
that, if she felt that bond grow

2130
01:41:41,440 --> 01:41:44,000
and she recognized it, that 
would explain her mothering 

2131
01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:46,160
instinct. 
That would explain why she is 

2132
01:41:46,160 --> 01:41:49,640
the first one to put eggs in the
cradles of her younger siblings.

2133
01:41:49,640 --> 01:41:51,880
Because she's like, well, why? 
Why wait till they're older? 

2134
01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:54,800
She had that instinct, kind of 
like Danny did, from beyond. 

2135
01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:58,440
Something intuitive within her 
DNA told her to do that. 

2136
01:41:59,160 --> 01:42:01,000
And if with Danny that is what 
it feels like, she's having 

2137
01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:04,600
these dreams of just, you know, 
Mother of Dragons, you know, go 

2138
01:42:04,600 --> 01:42:07,600
into the fire, you know, hatch 
the eggs, All this stuff. 

2139
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:11,640
It's just it's like voices from 
the ancient past or voices from 

2140
01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:14,280
her own DNA, or both. 
Reyna seems to have had that 

2141
01:42:14,280 --> 01:42:17,400
too. 
And I think that's really neat 

2142
01:42:17,560 --> 01:42:21,160
and it deserves a further look 
at another time. 

2143
01:42:21,400 --> 01:42:23,760
But we're trying to cover a lot 
in one episode today. 

2144
01:42:23,760 --> 01:42:25,520
Can you take on that, Sean? 
Pretty cool, huh? 

2145
01:42:25,720 --> 01:42:29,280
Yeah, it's the type of thing. 
I wonder if that was lost in the

2146
01:42:29,280 --> 01:42:31,040
Doom. 
Somehow that was something that 

2147
01:42:31,360 --> 01:42:35,320
surely someone must have been 
aware of that, but in the the 

2148
01:42:35,320 --> 01:42:37,880
turmoil and transition and 
everything, it was lost. 

2149
01:42:38,160 --> 01:42:40,520
Some of it just comes off like 
regular confidence, like, oh, 

2150
01:42:40,520 --> 01:42:41,720
I'm a kid, I'm a little shy, but
oh. 

2151
01:42:41,720 --> 01:42:43,400
But look what I can do. 
I'm proud of myself. 

2152
01:42:43,400 --> 01:42:45,480
I've I've taken on this big 
challenge. 

2153
01:42:45,480 --> 01:42:47,880
I'm a confident dragon rider now
you know some of that's just 

2154
01:42:47,880 --> 01:42:50,080
like human nature I think. 
But it doesn't like when you 

2155
01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:53,120
throw Danny in there and the 
eggs and that's like it is more 

2156
01:42:53,120 --> 01:42:56,200
to be like a mystical element 
and and I wonder too in this 

2157
01:42:56,200 --> 01:42:58,360
sort of. 
Male dominated scenario. 

2158
01:42:58,360 --> 01:43:00,840
If it might have been lost, 
something that the the mothers 

2159
01:43:00,840 --> 01:43:03,840
realize, we need to put these 
eggs in the cradles. 

2160
01:43:04,440 --> 01:43:07,880
So she was too old to have done 
that for her own. 

2161
01:43:08,160 --> 01:43:11,040
Future husband Aegon. 
So she didn't start doing that 

2162
01:43:11,040 --> 01:43:13,520
with him 'cause she was only 
three when he was born. 

2163
01:43:13,520 --> 01:43:16,280
She didn't have the idea till 
later, and maybe it's the idea 

2164
01:43:16,280 --> 01:43:18,560
that she gains here bonding with
dream fire. 

2165
01:43:18,560 --> 01:43:22,040
I I think the egg dropping 
starts right after this in fact,

2166
01:43:22,200 --> 01:43:25,680
and interestingly too, though 
Aegon doesn't have a dragon, he 

2167
01:43:25,680 --> 01:43:28,400
also didn't take one. 
He will have one later. 

2168
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:30,200
But was he waiting? 
Kind of like Megor? 

2169
01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:33,600
Was was he like? 
I'll also wait for a big one. 

2170
01:43:34,120 --> 01:43:35,600
It's definitely an interesting 
concept here. 

2171
01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:38,120
So we also have to ask the 
question, did they know they'd 

2172
01:43:38,120 --> 01:43:40,000
be betrothed to each other? 
Did they wonder about it? 

2173
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:42,800
I think yes. 
Reyna would be 9 and Aegon would

2174
01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:45,360
be 6 at this time. 
And the Faith are going to hate 

2175
01:43:45,360 --> 01:43:46,400
it. 
And a lot of people are going to

2176
01:43:46,400 --> 01:43:48,840
predictably guess that the Faith
would hate it. 

2177
01:43:49,160 --> 01:43:52,040
And once again, I wonder if 
Aegon had anything to weigh in 

2178
01:43:52,040 --> 01:43:54,560
on here. 
Did King Aegon just expect this?

2179
01:43:54,560 --> 01:43:56,920
Did he expect they can deal with
this problem themself? 

2180
01:43:56,960 --> 01:44:01,320
Gildane will suggest in Fire and
Blood much later that they knew 

2181
01:44:01,320 --> 01:44:03,560
they were going to marry from 
very early on. 

2182
01:44:03,920 --> 01:44:06,200
Now he wasn't there, but I have 
no reason to doubt him. 

2183
01:44:06,280 --> 01:44:08,120
I don't assume. 
I don't assume he just made that

2184
01:44:08,120 --> 01:44:11,160
up. 
So it seems to be that was the 

2185
01:44:11,160 --> 01:44:14,080
vibe at at court at the time 
that yeah, everybody expected 

2186
01:44:14,080 --> 01:44:16,520
Rayna and Aegon to marry and and
of course that makes sense given

2187
01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:18,600
Targaryen, Valyrian marriage 
practices. 

2188
01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:23,480
But the question is, what did 
they expect in terms of 

2189
01:44:23,480 --> 01:44:26,400
consequences, if any? 
They were, they just blind to 

2190
01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:28,720
it, 'cause they might have been,
they might have been that 

2191
01:44:28,720 --> 01:44:30,920
arrogant, that detached, that 
they just thought the faith 

2192
01:44:30,920 --> 01:44:32,520
would be fine with it or just 
accept it. 

2193
01:44:32,520 --> 01:44:34,200
Even though they knew the faith 
wouldn't like it. 

2194
01:44:34,200 --> 01:44:37,240
They'd be like, well, they can, 
they can handle it, you know, 

2195
01:44:37,240 --> 01:44:39,000
they'll they'll have to learn to
live with it. 

2196
01:44:39,000 --> 01:44:41,280
The faith, it's like that's not 
a good attitude to take towards 

2197
01:44:41,600 --> 01:44:44,320
something, an organization with 
that much military power and 

2198
01:44:44,320 --> 01:44:49,600
that much influence. 
So Speaking of sowing Bad Seeds,

2199
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:51,880
the problem continues between 
Anis and Megor. 

2200
01:44:51,880 --> 01:44:54,560
It's not just the future 
problems between Anis and the 

2201
01:44:54,560 --> 01:44:58,480
Faith and Megor in the face, by 
the way, who will have a much 

2202
01:44:58,480 --> 01:45:01,320
bigger problem with them, if 
we're being honest, as concerned

2203
01:45:01,320 --> 01:45:04,360
as a gun with that piece. 
He didn't seem to perceive or 

2204
01:45:04,360 --> 01:45:06,800
show this kind of concern in the
differences with the Sons. 

2205
01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:08,760
And as we pointed out earlier, 
they weren't raised together, so

2206
01:45:08,760 --> 01:45:10,680
they didn't really have a lot of
time to bond. 

2207
01:45:10,880 --> 01:45:16,080
And let's check in with that, 
because here at the year 32, Ace

2208
01:45:16,080 --> 01:45:19,800
is 25 and Megor is 20 a lot 
longer, a lot farther down the 

2209
01:45:19,800 --> 01:45:22,200
line. 
Here quote The half brothers 

2210
01:45:22,240 --> 01:45:27,160
were never close Prince Aenies. 
Was the heir apparent, and King 

2211
01:45:27,160 --> 01:45:29,600
Aegon kept him close by his 
side. 

2212
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:34,080
As the king moved about the 
realm from castle to castle, so 

2213
01:45:34,080 --> 01:45:37,040
did the Prince. 
Prince Megor remained with his 

2214
01:45:37,040 --> 01:45:40,080
mother, sitting by her side when
she held court. 

2215
01:45:40,840 --> 01:45:43,960
Yup, there we go, sitting by her
side when we held court. 

2216
01:45:43,960 --> 01:45:46,280
Yes, that's. 
Familiar. 

2217
01:45:46,280 --> 01:45:48,520
It's kind of restating what we 
already knew. 

2218
01:45:48,520 --> 01:45:52,200
It's it's the same same deal. 
It's also, as we've said 

2219
01:45:52,200 --> 01:45:54,280
throughout this episode, it's 
it's kind of human. 

2220
01:45:54,280 --> 01:45:57,160
There's maybe some reasons that 
Aegon might have expected to go 

2221
01:45:57,160 --> 01:45:59,040
better. 
But yeah, having rose colored 

2222
01:45:59,040 --> 01:46:02,520
glasses on where your own 
children are concerned is super 

2223
01:46:02,520 --> 01:46:04,400
normal. 
You know, let's be honest, lots 

2224
01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:09,360
of people see their own children
without the flaws or with the 

2225
01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:13,760
flaws you know, made smaller. 
And that's part of parenting. 

2226
01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:16,200
You're supposed to love your 
children despite their flaws. 

2227
01:46:16,200 --> 01:46:19,480
So I don't like that's a bad 
thing, but it definitely can 

2228
01:46:19,480 --> 01:46:22,000
cause problems in ruling 
families, which is why we 

2229
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:25,080
shouldn't have ruling families. 
You know, it's one of many 

2230
01:46:25,080 --> 01:46:26,240
reasons why we shouldn't have 
that. 

2231
01:46:26,240 --> 01:46:30,480
And Tywin had the blindness 
about his own children and their

2232
01:46:30,480 --> 01:46:33,040
incest, you know, and what 
problems that might cause And 

2233
01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:35,400
whether it's even happening or 
not, at least they at least here

2234
01:46:35,400 --> 01:46:37,960
we they know it's happening. 
They just are blind to the 

2235
01:46:38,080 --> 01:46:39,360
social problems that it's going 
to cause. 

2236
01:46:39,360 --> 01:46:42,880
Later, Cersei and Robert were 
blind to Joffrey's problems. 

2237
01:46:42,880 --> 01:46:44,840
Oh yeah, not. 
Completely blind to it. 

2238
01:46:44,840 --> 01:46:47,000
Not addressing it, You know, not
accounting for it. 

2239
01:46:47,080 --> 01:46:49,120
Yeah. 
And Robert was blind to just a 

2240
01:46:49,120 --> 01:46:51,120
lot of other things about his 
children. 

2241
01:46:51,120 --> 01:46:54,120
Like them not being his. 
And again, we come back to TV 

2242
01:46:54,120 --> 01:46:56,760
Viserys and book Viserys too. 
Look, we get more personal with 

2243
01:46:56,760 --> 01:46:58,160
TV Viserys. 
So I think he makes a better 

2244
01:46:58,160 --> 01:47:01,240
example for, especially 'cause 
it does reflect what we know 

2245
01:47:01,240 --> 01:47:05,120
about the books with him. 
Just like just get along, just 

2246
01:47:05,120 --> 01:47:08,440
stop fighting like, yo, that's 
not going to work. 

2247
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:10,080
Just telling them to stop 
fighting isn't. 

2248
01:47:10,080 --> 01:47:12,240
You realize what's at stake 
here, The throne. 

2249
01:47:12,600 --> 01:47:15,880
Just arguing with them and 
telling them to stop will not 

2250
01:47:15,880 --> 01:47:17,640
work. 
And it's kind of crazy that you 

2251
01:47:17,640 --> 01:47:20,360
think it will. 
But it's also very easy to start

2252
01:47:20,360 --> 01:47:23,040
though, right? 
'Cause he was pretty much 

2253
01:47:23,040 --> 01:47:26,800
ignoring it until. 
That point so, and we had a 

2254
01:47:26,800 --> 01:47:29,720
moment of hope at that point 
too, that maybe it would maybe 

2255
01:47:29,720 --> 01:47:33,280
that appeal, maybe that personal
appeal from a it was just the 

2256
01:47:33,280 --> 01:47:34,880
music that made us feel that, 
yeah. 

2257
01:47:37,840 --> 01:47:40,240
Yeah. 
And again, I repeat that Aegon 

2258
01:47:40,240 --> 01:47:42,000
made it such a point to have 
everybody together. 

2259
01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:45,000
So they would grow up together 
and and learn together and and 

2260
01:47:45,360 --> 01:47:46,840
grow together. 
But he didn't do that with his 

2261
01:47:46,840 --> 01:47:48,160
sons. 
Yeah. 

2262
01:47:48,480 --> 01:47:51,080
And and another difference here 
is that in Viserys case, these 

2263
01:47:51,080 --> 01:47:53,080
are adult children. 
You know, with Aegon, they're 

2264
01:47:53,240 --> 01:47:55,720
they're a step younger here 
because Aegon didn't have kids. 

2265
01:47:55,720 --> 01:47:57,720
So he was later, like Viserys 
started having kids when he was 

2266
01:47:57,720 --> 01:47:58,760
young. 
Aegon didn't. 

2267
01:47:58,880 --> 01:48:02,120
And Viserys can't use the excuse
of being on the road a lot and 

2268
01:48:02,120 --> 01:48:04,280
having to rule the realm. 
He wasn't exactly doing that. 

2269
01:48:04,280 --> 01:48:07,880
Instead he was doing neither. 
Whereas Aegon actually was at 

2270
01:48:07,880 --> 01:48:12,000
least trying to rule and was had
a difficult, more difficult time

2271
01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:15,480
of ruling, you know, His time 
was understandably split. 

2272
01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:19,280
You know if if not. 
Maybe not excusably split, but 

2273
01:48:19,280 --> 01:48:22,120
at least understandably split. 
So yeah, so honestly, it seems 

2274
01:48:22,120 --> 01:48:25,080
like Aegon just didn't have a 
very active role in his family's

2275
01:48:25,080 --> 01:48:27,760
life at all. 
Except for his first born son, 

2276
01:48:27,960 --> 01:48:32,360
who he took on progresses and 
taught him how to rule, and 

2277
01:48:32,680 --> 01:48:34,800
although that didn't go very 
well, did it, he maybe didn't 

2278
01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:37,560
teach him very well because Anis
was not a good king. 

2279
01:48:37,640 --> 01:48:40,480
And yeah, and maybe he should 
have been a bigger part of 

2280
01:48:40,480 --> 01:48:44,080
Megor's life. 
Maybe Megor was harmed by that 

2281
01:48:44,280 --> 01:48:46,360
by not having his dad around. 
Maybe he took it personally. 

2282
01:48:46,440 --> 01:48:47,800
May have been the case of 
expedience. 

2283
01:48:47,800 --> 01:48:51,440
The reason Megor was left aside 
may have been like it's the 

2284
01:48:51,440 --> 01:48:52,960
equivalent of having a Stark in 
Winterfell. 

2285
01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:54,200
There must always be a Stark in 
Winterfell. 

2286
01:48:54,200 --> 01:48:56,000
There must always be a 
Targaryen, A Dragonstone. 

2287
01:48:56,160 --> 01:48:57,880
We can't have both heirs on the 
road. 

2288
01:48:57,880 --> 01:48:59,000
That would be an unnecessary 
risk. 

2289
01:48:59,000 --> 01:49:00,240
What if the whole family is 
poisoned? 

2290
01:49:00,240 --> 01:49:03,040
What if? 
Yeah, yeah, but them growing 

2291
01:49:03,040 --> 01:49:06,360
apart is clearly a big risk too,
one that Aegon has obviously 

2292
01:49:06,360 --> 01:49:09,240
understood already. 
So it's like he either thought 

2293
01:49:09,240 --> 01:49:12,400
this risk was bigger than the 
other or he just kind of we're 

2294
01:49:12,400 --> 01:49:14,240
back to our rose colored glasses
argument. 

2295
01:49:14,480 --> 01:49:16,640
This is definitely not a case of
opposites attract. 

2296
01:49:16,640 --> 01:49:20,040
You know, it's not like I'm the 
protective bigger brother who 

2297
01:49:20,040 --> 01:49:23,720
has to, you know, help. 
His younger brother doesn't 

2298
01:49:23,720 --> 01:49:26,320
really seem like Megor looked at
Amys that way, especially 

2299
01:49:26,320 --> 01:49:28,320
because Vicenya didn't seem to 
look at Amys that way. 

2300
01:49:28,320 --> 01:49:29,800
And he may have gotten that from
his mom. 

2301
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:32,000
And maybe Aegon was just getting
softer in his older age. 

2302
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:36,040
Not soft, but softer because he 
was pretty heavy, pretty hard. 

2303
01:49:36,320 --> 01:49:39,240
When he was younger. 
He was extremely happy at being 

2304
01:49:39,240 --> 01:49:41,560
a grandfather, might have been 
pretty happy with what he had 

2305
01:49:41,560 --> 01:49:43,840
accomplished in his life and 
might have thought things were 

2306
01:49:44,080 --> 01:49:46,880
going well. 
The Targaryen family was in kind

2307
01:49:46,880 --> 01:49:49,440
of a fragile state, right? 
Like it didn't have a lot of 

2308
01:49:49,440 --> 01:49:50,440
air. 
There weren't heirs, there 

2309
01:49:50,440 --> 01:49:52,880
weren't a lot of branches of the
family, There weren't any other 

2310
01:49:52,880 --> 01:49:55,080
branches of the family. 
Like I said, there hadn't been a

2311
01:49:55,080 --> 01:49:57,080
new dragon Rider in such a long 
time, and all of a sudden 

2312
01:49:57,080 --> 01:49:59,320
there's Dragon riders happening 
like every other year. 

2313
01:49:59,800 --> 01:50:02,160
So like, as far as the health of
House Targaryen, it probably 

2314
01:50:02,160 --> 01:50:04,920
looked really good given where 
it had been using that same 

2315
01:50:04,920 --> 01:50:07,360
dichotomy of before King's 
Landing. 

2316
01:50:08,080 --> 01:50:10,400
There was nothing here, you 
know, you all don't know what it

2317
01:50:10,400 --> 01:50:13,200
was like 25 years ago. 
Same thing applies here. 

2318
01:50:13,200 --> 01:50:14,560
We're just pointing at a 
different target. 

2319
01:50:14,560 --> 01:50:17,680
We're just highlighting a 
different thing that was much 

2320
01:50:18,120 --> 01:50:22,080
changed over those years. 
The distinct change in House 

2321
01:50:22,080 --> 01:50:24,200
Targaryen and its its outlook, 
its power. 

2322
01:50:24,200 --> 01:50:26,760
It's just its quantity, the 
number of Dragon right now. 

2323
01:50:26,760 --> 01:50:29,920
As we know, the quantity is 
going to become a problem later.

2324
01:50:30,160 --> 01:50:32,400
But it wasn't. 
There weren't too many of them 

2325
01:50:32,400 --> 01:50:35,320
at this point. 
I think I maybe there were. 

2326
01:50:35,320 --> 01:50:37,440
I don't know. 
I don't know how many Dragons is

2327
01:50:37,440 --> 01:50:39,960
too many Dragons, but one. 
OK, All right. 

2328
01:50:39,960 --> 01:50:41,280
Well, in that case, there are 
anyway. 

2329
01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:42,960
Yeah, that's a fairpoint. 
Yes. 

2330
01:50:44,280 --> 01:50:47,280
And if we think about how old he
is, you know, and you can see, 

2331
01:50:47,280 --> 01:50:50,760
you know, you're he's in the 
year 32, he was 57 or 58 years 

2332
01:50:50,760 --> 01:50:52,080
old. 
So he's getting up there. 

2333
01:50:52,080 --> 01:50:53,920
You know, he had a hard life 
living on the road. 

2334
01:50:54,400 --> 01:50:56,800
This is a man who lived a 
soldier's life, even though he 

2335
01:50:56,800 --> 01:50:59,120
was the king and had it more 
comfortable than a lot of 

2336
01:50:59,120 --> 01:51:02,360
soldiers would have been. 
Still hard living, you know. 

2337
01:51:02,400 --> 01:51:06,520
Yes, feasting and and luxuries, 
but also lots of travel, you 

2338
01:51:06,520 --> 01:51:08,200
know. 
And he wasn't always traveling 

2339
01:51:08,200 --> 01:51:10,360
in comfort, you know. 
He was traveling with lots of 

2340
01:51:10,360 --> 01:51:13,640
people. 
But it's still living on the 

2341
01:51:13,640 --> 01:51:16,040
road isn't easy. 
Even when you're rich, even when

2342
01:51:16,040 --> 01:51:18,960
you you know, even when you get 
to sleep in whatever Lord's bed 

2343
01:51:18,960 --> 01:51:21,040
you're staying in whenever 
you're there. 

2344
01:51:21,480 --> 01:51:25,160
Still also lots of burden and 
responsibility and tragedy that 

2345
01:51:25,160 --> 01:51:27,960
he's faced through stress. 
Too let me throw a little angle.

2346
01:51:27,960 --> 01:51:29,480
It's something I was 
considering. 

2347
01:51:30,040 --> 01:51:32,120
This is very conspiratorial. 
We we always want to bring. 

2348
01:51:32,120 --> 01:51:35,440
It back to the prophecy Aegon's 
The prophecy that Aegon had in 

2349
01:51:35,440 --> 01:51:37,600
his dream, and that that's part 
of the stress that he would have

2350
01:51:37,600 --> 01:51:42,040
is making sure the realm doesn't
get overwhelmed by Winter on his

2351
01:51:42,040 --> 01:51:43,880
watch or on his descendants 
watch. 

2352
01:51:44,640 --> 01:51:46,200
I would think that would stress 
you out a bit. 

2353
01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:51,240
Having dreams like that might 
make your silver hair turn Gray 

2354
01:51:51,240 --> 01:51:52,120
a little sooner. 
How does it? 

2355
01:51:52,120 --> 01:51:53,560
How do you even tell though? 
How do you tell? 

2356
01:51:54,240 --> 01:51:56,240
How can you tell when Targaryens
are getting older? 

2357
01:51:56,320 --> 01:51:59,160
Consider the possibility this is
very conspiratorial, but the 

2358
01:51:59,160 --> 01:52:01,760
idea that the dreams were were 
sent to him. 

2359
01:52:02,120 --> 01:52:04,720
You know, we we know that's a 
thing because of glass candles. 

2360
01:52:05,040 --> 01:52:08,240
That someone, some power 
convinced him that this was 

2361
01:52:08,240 --> 01:52:12,920
necessary to unite Westeros in 
order to take it from Targaryens

2362
01:52:12,920 --> 01:52:15,760
300 years later, which is, you 
know, that's why it's a crazy 

2363
01:52:15,760 --> 01:52:18,720
conspiratorial idea. 
But if we look at the TV shows 

2364
01:52:18,720 --> 01:52:20,760
ending with Bran on the Iron 
Throne, it's like, well, the old

2365
01:52:20,760 --> 01:52:23,880
Gods are the ones who can have 
the power to send dreams in 

2366
01:52:23,880 --> 01:52:26,880
this. 
In this film, if the Old Gods, 

2367
01:52:27,240 --> 01:52:31,160
this continuum of of tree 
Wizards, sent this dream to 

2368
01:52:31,160 --> 01:52:34,680
Aegon just like they sent dreams
to Bran, then this is their 

2369
01:52:34,800 --> 01:52:37,840
their goal enacted, they they 
conned Aegon into conquering the

2370
01:52:37,840 --> 01:52:40,400
Seven Kingdoms and then stole it
from his descendants 300 years 

2371
01:52:40,400 --> 01:52:42,920
later. 
Again, pretty wild idea, but I I

2372
01:52:42,920 --> 01:52:45,200
think it's fun anyway. 
It's all stuff with Amy's 

2373
01:52:45,200 --> 01:52:48,840
getting all the attention and 
all the the business of being 

2374
01:52:48,840 --> 01:52:51,160
first born. 
All this stuff could cause the 

2375
01:52:51,160 --> 01:52:55,040
jealousy and family friction to 
get worse and it would be 

2376
01:52:55,040 --> 01:52:59,080
exacerbated by Megor's failure 
to have children and his 

2377
01:52:59,280 --> 01:53:01,200
confidence that he was going to.
He thought he was going to have 

2378
01:53:01,200 --> 01:53:03,440
kids and then he didn't. 
So that made him feel bad, 

2379
01:53:03,440 --> 01:53:06,520
probably. 
And then that would cause him to

2380
01:53:06,520 --> 01:53:08,960
drop in the line of succession 
as each successive child is 

2381
01:53:08,960 --> 01:53:12,560
born, because we have baby Aegon
born, then we have the Saris 

2382
01:53:12,560 --> 01:53:14,640
born and we're about to have 
some more. 

2383
01:53:14,720 --> 01:53:16,440
So he's falling farther and 
farther behind the line of 

2384
01:53:16,440 --> 01:53:18,880
succession and not having 
children of his own. 

2385
01:53:19,360 --> 01:53:23,080
So that's a lot of frustration. 
Maybe his pride, his manliness 

2386
01:53:23,080 --> 01:53:28,000
is touched on because again, 
Westeros men having children is 

2387
01:53:28,000 --> 01:53:30,000
a manly thing. 
He's not doing it now. 

2388
01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:32,440
Again, we don't know if Rayna 
bumped him down in the line of 

2389
01:53:32,440 --> 01:53:35,960
succession, but Aegon and 
Viserys and in a minute Jaris 

2390
01:53:36,160 --> 01:53:37,840
definitely did. 
And of course, Jaris is the one 

2391
01:53:37,840 --> 01:53:40,520
who's going to take the throne 
from him eventually anyway, 

2392
01:53:40,960 --> 01:53:45,040
although with a lot of help. 
So not only were these Princess 

2393
01:53:45,040 --> 01:53:46,760
jumping him in the line of 
succession, two of them had 

2394
01:53:46,760 --> 01:53:48,200
Dragons. 
So they're they're also just 

2395
01:53:48,200 --> 01:53:50,800
like in some ways they're just 
more Targaryen than him. 

2396
01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:54,400
And yeah, I thought I had here 
that that you know kind of a 

2397
01:53:54,400 --> 01:53:58,880
theme we've been running is if. 
If he had been prepared to be 

2398
01:53:58,880 --> 01:54:01,400
hand, if that had been. 
Like a? 

2399
01:54:01,400 --> 01:54:08,320
Mission on Aegon's Plate to prep
Megor to be hand so instead of 

2400
01:54:08,320 --> 01:54:09,480
him. 
Being so focused. 

2401
01:54:09,480 --> 01:54:12,680
On being able to beat people up,
he was focused on learning how 

2402
01:54:12,680 --> 01:54:15,800
to rule right? 
If he had at least maybe split 

2403
01:54:15,800 --> 01:54:20,520
time with annies on these royal 
progresses, if he had spent more

2404
01:54:20,520 --> 01:54:25,120
time with his dad, it might have
kept him from getting so jealous

2405
01:54:25,120 --> 01:54:29,160
and bitter in the 1st place, so 
so militant and violent in the 

2406
01:54:29,160 --> 01:54:31,280
first place. 
They would have given him a more

2407
01:54:31,280 --> 01:54:34,360
worldly perspective and a 
greater sense of responsibility.

2408
01:54:34,520 --> 01:54:37,400
There might have been a greater 
obligation on Aegon or the 

2409
01:54:37,400 --> 01:54:41,880
advisors around to address the 
red flags that May Gore had, and

2410
01:54:41,880 --> 01:54:45,080
he wouldn't be slipping farther 
out of power too if he was 

2411
01:54:45,080 --> 01:54:49,280
secure and a #2 or spot as Hand 
of the King, all these new 

2412
01:54:49,280 --> 01:54:51,440
Princess being born wouldn't 
have felt like a threat to him. 

2413
01:54:52,320 --> 01:54:56,920
So maybe that's a lot to expect 
him to have been prep for handed

2414
01:54:56,920 --> 01:55:00,120
the King, but I think, and maybe
he's just going to be crazy 

2415
01:55:00,120 --> 01:55:03,800
anyway. 
But I wonder if that had been, 

2416
01:55:03,800 --> 01:55:07,160
if you've been cultivated for 
that position all along, if it 

2417
01:55:07,160 --> 01:55:09,800
would have resolved a lot of the
issues that came out of this 

2418
01:55:09,800 --> 01:55:10,880
whole scenario. 
And you might. 

2419
01:55:10,920 --> 01:55:12,960
And it's a good, very good 
question, because he is going to

2420
01:55:12,960 --> 01:55:14,400
be hand to the king. 
Amis will make him. 

2421
01:55:14,400 --> 01:55:16,760
Hand to the King. 
But that doesn't mean he was 

2422
01:55:16,760 --> 01:55:19,240
prepared for it wasn't right, 
Yeah, but doesn't mean he's 

2423
01:55:19,240 --> 01:55:20,640
prepared to do anything more 
than just like. 

2424
01:55:20,640 --> 01:55:22,160
Deal with the Crown's enemies, 
he seems. 

2425
01:55:22,160 --> 01:55:23,920
Good at that. 
He's very good at that. 

2426
01:55:23,920 --> 01:55:27,640
It's going to be kind of like I 
was saying before this annoying 

2427
01:55:27,640 --> 01:55:29,720
thing. 
He's stuck doing back home while

2428
01:55:29,720 --> 01:55:32,240
his brother has all the fun with
his dad, right? 

2429
01:55:32,520 --> 01:55:36,920
But if instead, if he thought of
it as this responsible way to 

2430
01:55:37,040 --> 01:55:41,120
impress his father, to maintain 
peace in the realm, peace and 

2431
01:55:41,120 --> 01:55:44,800
prosperity, right, instead of 
I'll impress my father by 

2432
01:55:44,800 --> 01:55:49,600
beating people up, yeah, this is
another big difference between. 

2433
01:55:49,840 --> 01:55:52,240
Like if we're trying to compare 
Ames and Megor to Damon and 

2434
01:55:52,240 --> 01:55:55,240
Viserys, this is something they 
don't have in common because 

2435
01:55:55,240 --> 01:55:57,520
Damon and Viserys were close. 
That's part of where a lot of 

2436
01:55:57,520 --> 01:56:00,640
the conflict between them comes 
is Damon feels slighted by some 

2437
01:56:00,640 --> 01:56:03,560
of his brother's choices, 
whereas Ames and Megar just 

2438
01:56:03,560 --> 01:56:06,480
weren't close. 
So, like, you're sliding me 

2439
01:56:06,480 --> 01:56:08,640
because we're brothers, but not 
because we have a personal 

2440
01:56:08,640 --> 01:56:09,960
relationship. 
And he didn't slide him, he 

2441
01:56:09,960 --> 01:56:13,120
named him Hands. 
In the year 33, AC comes the 

2442
01:56:13,120 --> 01:56:16,560
death of Vicon Greyjoy, Lord 
Vicon Greyjoy, and the ascent of

2443
01:56:16,560 --> 01:56:20,400
Lord Goran. 
Not a big change because Goran 

2444
01:56:20,400 --> 01:56:24,320
learned the lessons of his 
father's father was there when 

2445
01:56:24,320 --> 01:56:27,560
Valerian came and defeated them 
and put down the rebellion that 

2446
01:56:27,560 --> 01:56:30,440
was happening between Lotos and 
all that other business. 

2447
01:56:31,000 --> 01:56:32,880
And the Greyjoys were appointed 
to rule. 

2448
01:56:32,880 --> 01:56:35,280
And he's like, yeah, we want to 
hold on to this, Don't go 

2449
01:56:35,280 --> 01:56:38,520
against the Dragons, hey son, 
don't go against the Dragons. 

2450
01:56:39,080 --> 01:56:44,560
And we know that the royal 
progresses took three trips to 

2451
01:56:44,640 --> 01:56:47,280
the Iron Islands so they would 
have been reminded of what 

2452
01:56:47,280 --> 01:56:50,640
they're up against with Valerian
and Aegon coming there 

2453
01:56:50,640 --> 01:56:52,560
personally. 
So Goran would have if Goran 

2454
01:56:52,560 --> 01:56:57,320
wasn't there to witness Valerian
in action during that short 

2455
01:56:57,320 --> 01:57:00,160
period of time when the Iron 
Islands was was put to rights or

2456
01:57:00,160 --> 01:57:03,840
put to order, he would have seen
Valerian at least just chilling 

2457
01:57:03,920 --> 01:57:06,440
in one of the future visits and 
would have been wowed by the 

2458
01:57:06,440 --> 01:57:09,520
sheer size of the animal. 
This is also the year of the 

2459
01:57:09,520 --> 01:57:12,680
final progress Aegon takes, 
which was, as we talked about 

2460
01:57:12,680 --> 01:57:15,000
last time, his first trip to 
Winterfell. 

2461
01:57:15,000 --> 01:57:17,880
So it may have included other 
stops in the North, because he 

2462
01:57:17,880 --> 01:57:21,040
had been to the North before and
might have wanted to go other 

2463
01:57:21,040 --> 01:57:23,480
places. 
But yeah, it's his first trip to

2464
01:57:23,480 --> 01:57:24,880
Winterfell. 
Now, we talked a bit about that 

2465
01:57:24,880 --> 01:57:27,760
last time, about how it may have
related to a change in 

2466
01:57:27,760 --> 01:57:30,040
leadership and all this stuff. 
One thing that we didn't mention

2467
01:57:30,040 --> 01:57:33,880
also relates to the prophecy, 
which is it's another chance for

2468
01:57:33,880 --> 01:57:36,560
Aegon and whoever the Stark and 
Winterfell is at the time, 

2469
01:57:36,560 --> 01:57:40,200
whether it's Tauren or Brandon 
the Boisterous or Rickard Stark.

2470
01:57:40,240 --> 01:57:43,720
One of those three, most likely.
They could discuss the prophecy 

2471
01:57:44,200 --> 01:57:47,080
in private, perhaps not even 
with maesters around, and but 

2472
01:57:47,080 --> 01:57:49,880
that also isn't worth something.
Bring is worth bringing up 

2473
01:57:49,960 --> 01:57:51,440
Aegon. 
Did he ever discuss the 

2474
01:57:51,440 --> 01:57:55,640
prophecies with his maesters? 
I'm guessing no, but maybe it's 

2475
01:57:55,640 --> 01:57:57,600
a. 
It's a soft no because none of 

2476
01:57:57,600 --> 01:58:00,240
them wrote about it, so that's a
problem. 

2477
01:58:00,240 --> 01:58:02,360
There would have had to be a 
campaign to, like, remove it 

2478
01:58:02,360 --> 01:58:03,480
from the. 
Histories If. 

2479
01:58:03,480 --> 01:58:05,280
If it existed, I don't. 
Think the Maesters would have 

2480
01:58:05,280 --> 01:58:07,280
just chosen to not mention it 
once? 

2481
01:58:07,280 --> 01:58:09,320
I don't. 
I think I think there's no way. 

2482
01:58:09,360 --> 01:58:11,840
But he did make a big deal about
having a lot of masters around 

2483
01:58:11,840 --> 01:58:13,440
him. 
Like 6 maybe one? 

2484
01:58:13,440 --> 01:58:16,120
Of the maesters I can. 
I can imagine him confiding in 

2485
01:58:16,120 --> 01:58:18,400
one especially. 
Given that he had so many, that 

2486
01:58:18,400 --> 01:58:19,960
might have been part of why he 
had. 

2487
01:58:20,320 --> 01:58:22,480
They might have each had 
different sort of roles, like 

2488
01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:26,520
someone who's more knowledgeable
about the histories of each of 

2489
01:58:26,520 --> 01:58:29,280
the kingdoms one is more 
knowledgeable about, you know, 

2490
01:58:29,320 --> 01:58:31,040
medicine. 
One of the ones with the 

2491
01:58:31,040 --> 01:58:34,040
Valerian Steel link would be, 
yeah, a candidate for magic 

2492
01:58:34,040 --> 01:58:36,240
discussions. 
Yeah, he might have instructed 

2493
01:58:36,240 --> 01:58:38,560
him not to repeat any or write 
down anything of what they 

2494
01:58:38,560 --> 01:58:41,000
discussed that would that would 
remove the need for it to be 

2495
01:58:41,000 --> 01:58:42,920
removed after the fact that it 
would never written down in the 

2496
01:58:42,920 --> 01:58:44,720
1st place, which I think that's 
possible. 

2497
01:58:44,760 --> 01:58:48,800
It is possible anyway. 
And I'll recall Cersei again. 

2498
01:58:48,800 --> 01:58:51,440
We haven't a Song of Ice and 
Fire example asking Kyburn about

2499
01:58:51,440 --> 01:58:53,800
the supernatural, about prophecy
specifically. 

2500
01:58:53,800 --> 01:58:57,920
Like she's concerned about the 
prophecy of Maggie the Frog and 

2501
01:58:58,120 --> 01:59:00,320
Eamon. 
Maester Eamon has thoughts on 

2502
01:59:00,320 --> 01:59:02,520
the supernatural, and he 
probably corresponded with 

2503
01:59:02,520 --> 01:59:04,440
Rhaegar. 
Marwin has thoughts on the 

2504
01:59:04,440 --> 01:59:08,840
prophecy, which is, you know, 
prophecy is like a having your, 

2505
01:59:09,560 --> 01:59:11,320
what is it like having your Dick
bitten or whatever. 

2506
01:59:12,000 --> 01:59:14,200
That's what he says. 
Melisandre says it's a sword 

2507
01:59:14,200 --> 01:59:16,160
without a hilt. 
Yeah, there's lots of colorful 

2508
01:59:16,160 --> 01:59:19,760
euphemisms for prophecy in this,
in this series and elsewhere. 

2509
01:59:19,840 --> 01:59:22,960
And again, I I've asked this 
question before, but I feel like

2510
01:59:23,240 --> 01:59:25,560
even Raines and Vesenya, did he 
not tell? 

2511
01:59:25,560 --> 01:59:27,480
I think he might have had to 
tell them, but maybe not. 

2512
01:59:27,480 --> 01:59:29,920
He had to tell Amy, so he had to
pass it on. 

2513
01:59:29,920 --> 01:59:31,240
That's one person that had to 
know. 

2514
01:59:31,640 --> 01:59:34,160
And if he tells Amy's, who knows
when, though when did he tell 

2515
01:59:34,160 --> 01:59:35,040
him? 
On one of those royal 

2516
01:59:35,040 --> 01:59:37,200
progresses? 
When he turned 16? 

2517
01:59:37,280 --> 01:59:40,280
When he first rode a dragon? 
This would be decent guesses I 

2518
01:59:40,280 --> 01:59:42,800
suppose, but I don't know. 
Any chance, he told Megor? 

2519
01:59:43,520 --> 01:59:46,960
I would think no, because. 
The throne was wasn't going to 

2520
01:59:46,960 --> 01:59:48,920
pass. 
To Megor, especially like after 

2521
01:59:48,920 --> 01:59:50,600
and he starts having kids and 
all that. 

2522
01:59:50,600 --> 01:59:52,520
It looks like Megor's even 
farther behind. 

2523
01:59:52,520 --> 01:59:54,840
Yeah, it's possible. 
It is possible, but I'm guessing

2524
01:59:54,840 --> 01:59:57,600
no, because I wonder if it could
explain why Megor was so 

2525
01:59:57,600 --> 01:59:59,200
determined to be a good warrior.
Maybe he. 

2526
01:59:59,200 --> 02:00:04,040
Thought he had to Oh. 
Interesting maybe. 

2527
02:00:04,280 --> 02:00:08,240
Part of why he was cruel. 
Like maybe he thought the world 

2528
02:00:08,240 --> 02:00:11,520
doesn't matter anyway. 
Like the I haven't had a son so 

2529
02:00:11,520 --> 02:00:14,000
the prophecy can't fulfill, so 
nothing matters anyway. 

2530
02:00:14,480 --> 02:00:19,120
You know, dark but possible. 
And with. 

2531
02:00:19,320 --> 02:00:23,760
The growing family and important
Targaryens in multiple 

2532
02:00:23,760 --> 02:00:25,480
locations. 
You would see more of the 

2533
02:00:25,480 --> 02:00:28,240
Kingsguard being divided and and
split in different areas, which 

2534
02:00:28,240 --> 02:00:31,000
might be where you start to see 
a little more. 

2535
02:00:31,960 --> 02:00:35,040
Little personal relationships, 
maybe bias within the 

2536
02:00:35,040 --> 02:00:37,040
Kingsguard. 
Some Kingsguard might favor 

2537
02:00:37,040 --> 02:00:39,720
certain Targaryens more than 
others because of who they spend

2538
02:00:39,720 --> 02:00:41,880
more time with. 
Things like that might start to 

2539
02:00:41,880 --> 02:00:45,360
happen, and for example, again 
we come back to or Commander 

2540
02:00:45,360 --> 02:00:48,120
Corley's. 
Did Viceni and Magor not trust 

2541
02:00:48,120 --> 02:00:50,680
him as much, maybe because he's 
connected to Alyssa and the 

2542
02:00:50,680 --> 02:00:52,520
others? 
Or was his loyalty well 

2543
02:00:52,520 --> 02:00:54,960
established? 
Maybe he was not. 

2544
02:00:54,960 --> 02:00:57,960
Again, I have to repeat that he 
may not be alive at this point. 

2545
02:00:57,960 --> 02:01:01,080
We don't know when he died, but 
either way there would be what 

2546
02:01:01,080 --> 02:01:04,840
house is this Kingsguard from 
and is that maybe an an issue or

2547
02:01:04,840 --> 02:01:08,520
not? 
The year 34, the year Jaharis 

2548
02:01:08,520 --> 02:01:13,880
was born, this is when Reyna 
definitely did the egg cradle 

2549
02:01:13,880 --> 02:01:16,440
thing, and probably the first 
time, and it did. 

2550
02:01:16,440 --> 02:01:20,200
She did it for Jaris and that 
egg did indeed become Vermathore

2551
02:01:20,200 --> 02:01:23,480
the dragon he bonded with. 
And it was a big dragon. 

2552
02:01:23,480 --> 02:01:32,280
The Bronze Fury I reticent to 
say this early bonding helped 

2553
02:01:32,280 --> 02:01:36,240
the dragon grow larger, but 
given how little we know about 

2554
02:01:36,240 --> 02:01:39,560
how Dragons work, and given 
their magical things, it's 

2555
02:01:39,560 --> 02:01:43,400
possible it's very possible. 
It's worth adding on to the long

2556
02:01:43,400 --> 02:01:46,080
list of theories about Dragons 
and how they work and grow. 

2557
02:01:47,280 --> 02:01:51,520
Meanwhile, Sir Osman Strong, 
Hand of the King Wall Builder 

2558
02:01:51,520 --> 02:01:56,320
for King's Landing and Sargoso 
San Fighter, died and was 

2559
02:01:56,320 --> 02:01:58,880
replaced by Lord Alan 
Stokeworth, a man who seems 

2560
02:01:58,880 --> 02:02:01,440
brave and likely to be very 
competent. 

2561
02:02:01,800 --> 02:02:05,880
Now Alan Stokeworth is going to 
hold the the job for a little 

2562
02:02:05,880 --> 02:02:09,680
while, but if we refer back to 
this to the career of Sir 

2563
02:02:09,680 --> 02:02:12,400
Osmond, there's gaps in the 
hands record like there's 

2564
02:02:12,400 --> 02:02:15,160
sometimes there's some periods 
where we don't know who the hand

2565
02:02:15,160 --> 02:02:16,360
was. 
Not a lot though. 

2566
02:02:16,360 --> 02:02:19,720
Most of the hands we know it's 
mostly during the reign of Aegon

2567
02:02:19,720 --> 02:02:23,000
the 3rd and Aegon the 5th where 
we have these large gaps. 

2568
02:02:23,440 --> 02:02:27,040
But very few ever will hold the 
office longer than Sir Osmond 

2569
02:02:27,040 --> 02:02:30,520
who held it for 17 years. 
So the third ever hand of the 

2570
02:02:30,520 --> 02:02:34,200
King will be the longest running
for quite a while until Barth 

2571
02:02:34,240 --> 02:02:37,360
comes along actually not that 
far later and and and sets the 

2572
02:02:37,360 --> 02:02:44,160
all time record Bloodraven 26 
plus years, Tywin 19 and then 

2573
02:02:44,160 --> 02:02:46,920
again for about two 'cause he 
had two separate terms and then 

2574
02:02:46,920 --> 02:02:49,520
Prince Viserys again not to be 
confused with this current 

2575
02:02:49,520 --> 02:02:51,520
Prince Viserys. 
This is the Prince Viserys who 

2576
02:02:51,520 --> 02:02:54,800
became King Viserys the 2nd. 
He's going to rule as Hand of 

2577
02:02:54,800 --> 02:02:58,360
the King for about 18 years, so 
a little longer than Osmond. 

2578
02:02:58,360 --> 02:03:00,400
A strong hand can hold on for a 
long time. 

2579
02:03:01,080 --> 02:03:04,520
Very good. 
The year 35 is when we get. 

2580
02:03:04,520 --> 02:03:06,840
More home making, more making 
the house a home. 

2581
02:03:07,360 --> 02:03:10,280
Aegon gives the order to destroy
the Aegon Fort and build 

2582
02:03:10,280 --> 02:03:13,240
something more fitting. 
Now again it was wooden. 

2583
02:03:13,680 --> 02:03:17,480
He had a wooden castle for the 
king of the Iron Throne and the 

2584
02:03:17,480 --> 02:03:19,120
guy with Dragons. 
It's just not fitting. 

2585
02:03:19,120 --> 02:03:22,080
I mean, your dragon can destroy 
your castle with a sneeze. 

2586
02:03:22,080 --> 02:03:23,880
I mean, yeah, it's time to 
rebuild, right? 

2587
02:03:24,120 --> 02:03:28,080
Allen Stokeworth's first major 
task was to do this was to 

2588
02:03:28,080 --> 02:03:29,920
rebuild what we came the Red 
Keep. 

2589
02:03:29,920 --> 02:03:33,160
I don't even know if they had a 
name for it at first, but that 

2590
02:03:33,160 --> 02:03:35,800
name seems to have come after 
they were building it and 

2591
02:03:35,800 --> 02:03:37,040
realized, hey, this thing is 
red. 

2592
02:03:37,640 --> 02:03:39,080
Look at that, Let's call it the 
Red Keep. 

2593
02:03:39,080 --> 02:03:41,760
It really seems like 
qualification to be a Hand of 

2594
02:03:41,760 --> 02:03:45,480
the King in this era was to have
some some skill in overseeing 

2595
02:03:45,480 --> 02:03:47,840
building projects because the 
last one did the wall building 

2596
02:03:47,840 --> 02:03:51,240
project for six years. 
This Red Keep building projects 

2597
02:03:51,240 --> 02:03:55,240
can take more than a decade. 
Oh yeah, but it wasn't just his 

2598
02:03:55,240 --> 02:03:56,920
job. 
It was also Vicenias. 

2599
02:03:56,920 --> 02:03:59,080
He sent Vicenia to King's 
Landing to help oversee the 

2600
02:03:59,080 --> 02:04:01,440
castle. 
She wasn't needed for the wall 

2601
02:04:01,440 --> 02:04:03,360
building project. 
But this is a little more about,

2602
02:04:03,360 --> 02:04:04,760
like, where they're going to be 
living. 

2603
02:04:04,760 --> 02:04:05,880
And so it's a little more 
personal. 

2604
02:04:05,920 --> 02:04:08,720
Like, it's like have your wife 
take charge of the interior 

2605
02:04:08,720 --> 02:04:10,760
design kind of situation or 
something. 

2606
02:04:11,320 --> 02:04:14,440
On the other hand, this also, he
also swapped places with her 

2607
02:04:14,440 --> 02:04:15,920
again. 
You know, he was living in 

2608
02:04:15,920 --> 02:04:17,080
King's Landing. 
She was a Dragonstone. 

2609
02:04:17,080 --> 02:04:20,520
He ordered her to come to build 
the Red Keep and he went to 

2610
02:04:20,520 --> 02:04:23,400
Dragonstone. 
So it's like keeps avoiding her 

2611
02:04:23,480 --> 02:04:27,680
or is not just more about having
the rulers in different places, 

2612
02:04:27,680 --> 02:04:30,000
but you can see why those rumors
about him not wanting to be 

2613
02:04:30,000 --> 02:04:32,640
around her, I think, yeah, I 
think so. 

2614
02:04:32,640 --> 02:04:34,720
I really, really think he was 
not. 

2615
02:04:35,120 --> 02:04:37,520
Fond of her? 
I don't think he hated her or 

2616
02:04:37,520 --> 02:04:40,720
anything like that. 
Like anything so extreme, but I 

2617
02:04:40,720 --> 02:04:44,000
don't think he was like raring 
to spend his time with her at 

2618
02:04:44,000 --> 02:04:46,880
all, especially if he was 
getting softer and and and you 

2619
02:04:46,880 --> 02:04:48,440
know, and she was still getting 
as hardcore as. 

2620
02:04:48,440 --> 02:04:49,000
Ever. 
And she. 

2621
02:04:49,120 --> 02:04:50,320
And she was getting harder. 
Yeah. 

2622
02:04:50,880 --> 02:04:53,320
I mean if he was, if he was 
pressing him about this and that

2623
02:04:53,320 --> 02:04:56,240
or about these marriages or Mary
Magor to hit to my to your 

2624
02:04:56,240 --> 02:04:59,040
granddaughter and she's just 
like I'm so sick of this. 

2625
02:04:59,120 --> 02:05:00,600
Or yeah. 
It could have might not have 

2626
02:05:00,600 --> 02:05:02,280
been political at all. 
Might have been like, yeah, he 

2627
02:05:02,280 --> 02:05:03,920
just, yeah. 
Could she just finds her 

2628
02:05:03,920 --> 02:05:05,000
grading. 
Yeah. 

2629
02:05:05,400 --> 02:05:06,680
Or it could have been what you 
said. 

2630
02:05:06,680 --> 02:05:08,720
He just, like, thought it was 
best to not. 

2631
02:05:08,720 --> 02:05:12,560
Keep all their eggs in in one 
nest or whatever, and just keep 

2632
02:05:12,680 --> 02:05:15,400
Vicenya suffering from him. 
Yeah, he could have thought of 

2633
02:05:15,480 --> 02:05:16,000
that. 
I don't know. 

2634
02:05:16,080 --> 02:05:17,320
It's true. 
I mean, it could be both of 

2635
02:05:17,320 --> 02:05:18,600
those things. 
I mean, he could say it was 

2636
02:05:18,600 --> 02:05:22,080
that, but in his head, you know,
he's like, oh, I'm so glad I 

2637
02:05:22,080 --> 02:05:23,760
have an excuse to not see 
Vicenya. 

2638
02:05:23,760 --> 02:05:28,320
And here we see another impact 
of their. 

2639
02:05:28,320 --> 02:05:34,440
Parenting As brutal and psycho 
as Megor is, he had a lot of 

2640
02:05:34,440 --> 02:05:37,840
energy for building projects. 
And maybe he got this from his 

2641
02:05:37,840 --> 02:05:40,560
mother, watching her operate, 
watching her take over the 

2642
02:05:40,560 --> 02:05:43,400
building of the Red Keep, which 
he would later take a big hand 

2643
02:05:43,400 --> 02:05:46,520
in. 
After all, Megor's hold fast is 

2644
02:05:46,520 --> 02:05:50,720
the final refuge within the Red 
Keep, and it's named after him 

2645
02:05:50,720 --> 02:05:52,120
for a reason. 
He designed it. 

2646
02:05:52,240 --> 02:05:54,840
He ordered it put in there. 
Of course, this is also the guy 

2647
02:05:54,840 --> 02:05:58,720
that had all the builders 
killed, but that's Megor for 

2648
02:05:58,720 --> 02:06:01,400
you. 
He's a brutal guy, but he's not 

2649
02:06:01,400 --> 02:06:04,080
uninteresting. 
He definitely drives the story 

2650
02:06:04,080 --> 02:06:08,440
in some some fun ways. 
And yeah, so I think that's an 

2651
02:06:08,440 --> 02:06:10,880
interesting kind of dot 
connection there, His interest 

2652
02:06:10,880 --> 02:06:13,160
in building projects and how his
mother had a lot of 

2653
02:06:14,120 --> 02:06:18,280
responsibility in terms of 
building the house for the 

2654
02:06:18,280 --> 02:06:20,880
Targaryens would live in the Red
Keep the one they'd live in 

2655
02:06:20,880 --> 02:06:25,360
forever. 
And it also shows their the 

2656
02:06:25,360 --> 02:06:27,200
paranoia, though, and the 
mistrust of their own people. 

2657
02:06:27,200 --> 02:06:30,320
We talked about how, yeah, they 
built walls to keep out 

2658
02:06:30,320 --> 02:06:32,680
outsiders. 
The Red Keep is just as much 

2659
02:06:32,680 --> 02:06:36,000
keeping out their own people. 
It's it's it's defense against 

2660
02:06:36,200 --> 02:06:40,200
the population rising up against
them, which it will absolutely 

2661
02:06:40,200 --> 02:06:43,280
prove valuable in that regard 
multiple times in its history. 

2662
02:06:43,280 --> 02:06:48,960
It will keep out angry, rioting 
commoners and as well as some 

2663
02:06:49,080 --> 02:06:52,080
legitimate like invading armies.
And this is another thing I 

2664
02:06:52,080 --> 02:06:55,960
wonder about as far as when 
Aegon went to Dragonstone and 

2665
02:06:55,960 --> 02:06:59,520
sent Viceni to court, it says he
took the small council with him.

2666
02:06:59,960 --> 02:07:04,120
So what about Magor? 
Did he also, I assume he went to

2667
02:07:04,640 --> 02:07:06,800
court to stay with his mom 
because especially because this 

2668
02:07:06,800 --> 02:07:08,840
this dot connecting with the 
building projects and the Red 

2669
02:07:08,840 --> 02:07:10,640
Keep and all that. 
But it's possible he stayed on 

2670
02:07:10,640 --> 02:07:12,960
Dragonstone and was for a short 
time, had a little bit more of 

2671
02:07:12,960 --> 02:07:14,800
an active role at court and 
council. 

2672
02:07:15,200 --> 02:07:17,120
But I'm guessing he went to with
his mom. 

2673
02:07:17,120 --> 02:07:19,200
What do you think, Sean? 
Any guesses on that or takes on 

2674
02:07:19,200 --> 02:07:20,800
that? 
Yeah, it's another scenario 

2675
02:07:20,800 --> 02:07:22,960
where I wonder how much conflict
there would have been between 

2676
02:07:22,960 --> 02:07:26,040
him and the the. 
Hand, who was charged with 

2677
02:07:26,040 --> 02:07:29,560
building this if they work 
together well, how involved was 

2678
02:07:29,560 --> 02:07:32,000
the council or if they were at 
odds with each other? 

2679
02:07:32,280 --> 02:07:36,040
I I wonder how much if Megor had
been given more building 

2680
02:07:36,040 --> 02:07:40,120
projects, if would have kept 
them busy enough for, and how to

2681
02:07:40,120 --> 02:07:41,440
do some of the other stuff he 
did. 

2682
02:07:41,440 --> 02:07:42,840
You know that's something to put
his energy. 

2683
02:07:42,840 --> 02:07:45,320
Into that isn't violent you. 
Know well. 

2684
02:07:45,840 --> 02:07:47,720
Should it be violent? 
But he still ended up. 

2685
02:07:47,800 --> 02:07:49,080
He managed to find a way to make
it. 

2686
02:07:49,080 --> 02:07:50,720
Violent, Yeah. 
Do you think Megor also had a 

2687
02:07:50,840 --> 02:07:53,800
had a bedroom filled? 
With models. 

2688
02:07:53,960 --> 02:07:56,760
Yeah, that's a funny thing, 
actually. 

2689
02:07:56,760 --> 02:07:59,320
Viserys, the dragon you had the 
most in common. 

2690
02:07:59,320 --> 02:08:03,080
With was Mego or like what? 
Yeah, you guys both were really 

2691
02:08:03,080 --> 02:08:04,680
into models. 
Yeah, this was Megor before it 

2692
02:08:04,680 --> 02:08:07,440
was yours. 
Yeah, that's an interesting 

2693
02:08:07,480 --> 02:08:08,920
thought, I wonder. 
Yeah, yeah. 

2694
02:08:09,000 --> 02:08:10,600
Imagine, Basen, you giving Megor
some. 

2695
02:08:11,120 --> 02:08:13,680
Little model. 
Valyria, when he's a boy, and 

2696
02:08:13,680 --> 02:08:15,720
then him growing into a bigger 
version of that later. 

2697
02:08:15,720 --> 02:08:18,720
And then, yeah, it just gets 
sticking to a dusty closet later

2698
02:08:18,720 --> 02:08:22,000
until Viserys finds like, whoa, 
look at this. 

2699
02:08:22,000 --> 02:08:24,280
It's like Legos, man. 
Yeah, I love it. 

2700
02:08:24,480 --> 02:08:27,960
I'm imagining him having all 
sorts of like proposed Red Keep 

2701
02:08:27,960 --> 02:08:29,680
designs. 
You know, yeah, yeah. 

2702
02:08:29,720 --> 02:08:33,040
Different architectural little 
secret tunnels structures. 

2703
02:08:33,040 --> 02:08:34,920
Trying to figure out which. 
One is going to. 

2704
02:08:35,360 --> 02:08:36,760
Actually get built? 
Yeah. 

2705
02:08:37,120 --> 02:08:39,000
Yeah, isn't that it's It's 
fascinating though, to think 

2706
02:08:39,000 --> 02:08:40,360
about that, that the guy who had
all. 

2707
02:08:40,360 --> 02:08:47,400
Those secret tunnels made is 
Meghor, so the year 36, this is 

2708
02:08:47,400 --> 02:08:49,320
basically the last year we'll 
cover. 

2709
02:08:49,320 --> 02:08:52,840
We'll flirt with the following 
year briefly in in our outro, 

2710
02:08:52,840 --> 02:08:57,720
but 36 AC Allison is born future
wife to Jaharis. 

2711
02:08:57,920 --> 02:09:01,320
Reyna places an egg in her 
cradle as well, 'cause she's 

2712
02:09:01,320 --> 02:09:05,960
that mothering older sibling 
that she is, and that dragon egg

2713
02:09:05,960 --> 02:09:09,080
hatches and becomes Silverwing. 
So again, it's a success story. 

2714
02:09:09,680 --> 02:09:12,240
I wonder if Vermathore had 
already hatched by this time. 

2715
02:09:12,360 --> 02:09:14,360
Probably. 
It had only been a couple years,

2716
02:09:14,480 --> 02:09:17,720
but that's all it takes. 
I think so, yeah, probably so 

2717
02:09:17,720 --> 02:09:20,640
this time. 
Reyna is now 13, Aegon's 10, 

2718
02:09:20,840 --> 02:09:26,240
Aegis and Alyssa are 29, 
Meghor's 24, Aegon 62, Massenia 

2719
02:09:26,240 --> 02:09:28,400
64. 
A lot of others are still out 

2720
02:09:28,400 --> 02:09:30,880
there too. 
Darya Martel is still alive, as 

2721
02:09:30,880 --> 02:09:34,080
far as we know. 
Gargon the Guest, Lord Ori's One

2722
02:09:34,080 --> 02:09:37,240
Hand, also still alive. 
Ethan Valarian still alive, 

2723
02:09:38,160 --> 02:09:41,080
possibly Lord Commander Corliss 
Valarian, We don't know about 

2724
02:09:41,080 --> 02:09:42,520
him. 
That's still again, that's 

2725
02:09:42,520 --> 02:09:46,920
Athan's brother, and it's a 
pretty, pretty important year. 

2726
02:09:46,920 --> 02:09:49,240
Although in terms of milestones,
though, I don't know that we 

2727
02:09:49,240 --> 02:09:51,880
have a ton to say about it. 
This is continuing forward, 

2728
02:09:52,160 --> 02:09:56,920
barreling towards the problems 
of the beginning of Anis's reign

2729
02:09:57,440 --> 02:10:00,720
and setting up a lot of 
groundwork for the conflict 

2730
02:10:00,720 --> 02:10:05,400
between Megor and Anis's 
descendants later, as well as 

2731
02:10:05,400 --> 02:10:08,120
Megor and the Faith and the 
Dance of the Dragons. 

2732
02:10:08,680 --> 02:10:11,800
You could absolutely trace some 
of the Dance of the Dragons 

2733
02:10:12,160 --> 02:10:16,800
groundwork to this stuff here I 
forgot to mention in the year 35

2734
02:10:16,800 --> 02:10:18,520
was Reyna's first flight on 
Dream Fire. 

2735
02:10:18,520 --> 02:10:21,080
She bonded with Dream Fire when 
she was 9, but she didn't fly on

2736
02:10:21,080 --> 02:10:23,280
until she was 12. 
So three more years, and part of

2737
02:10:23,280 --> 02:10:25,240
that is Dream Fire being too 
small to ride. 

2738
02:10:25,240 --> 02:10:27,880
That's not just her, her 
development, it's the dragon as 

2739
02:10:27,880 --> 02:10:29,640
well. 
Because Dream Fire was a 

2740
02:10:29,640 --> 02:10:33,520
hatchling when she was presented
with her the first time. 

2741
02:10:33,720 --> 02:10:36,000
So yeah, you'd see, that's an 
interesting like brother, sister

2742
02:10:36,000 --> 02:10:38,000
Dynamic Ren is out there flying 
her dragon. 

2743
02:10:38,000 --> 02:10:39,680
Meanwhile Aegon doesn't have one
yet. 

2744
02:10:39,800 --> 02:10:42,760
And again, that's why we asked 
the question of was he waiting? 

2745
02:10:43,240 --> 02:10:45,400
Was it a similar thing? 
If Megor was waiting for a 

2746
02:10:45,400 --> 02:10:48,760
dragon, you bet it you should 
wait for one too, for the same 

2747
02:10:48,760 --> 02:10:50,160
reason. 
And he if he wants to claim 

2748
02:10:50,160 --> 02:10:53,280
Valerian, maybe you should wait 
to claim Valerian because you 

2749
02:10:53,280 --> 02:10:55,400
have arguably a better claim to 
Valerian. 

2750
02:10:55,400 --> 02:10:57,240
That might have been a thing 
that came to head as it as it 

2751
02:10:57,240 --> 02:11:00,080
turned out, Magor just got the 
initiative and claimed Valerian 

2752
02:11:00,320 --> 02:11:02,080
and that was that, you know? 
But they've been. 

2753
02:11:02,240 --> 02:11:04,720
They may have been thinking that
Aegon would have that chance, 

2754
02:11:04,720 --> 02:11:07,400
and I don't know who they is. 
Maybe Aegon himself, maybe 

2755
02:11:07,400 --> 02:11:08,840
Aegis, maybe Alyssa, maybe all 
of them. 

2756
02:11:08,840 --> 02:11:10,720
Maybe. 
Maybe Aegon the King. 

2757
02:11:10,720 --> 02:11:14,880
Aegon himself as well, was 
expecting this Aegon to get 

2758
02:11:15,040 --> 02:11:18,000
Valerian, but he obviously 
didn't like write that down or 

2759
02:11:18,000 --> 02:11:22,320
decree it 'cause that certainly 
isn't given to us as in the 

2760
02:11:22,320 --> 02:11:24,520
sources, and it seems like it 
would have been if that had 

2761
02:11:24,520 --> 02:11:28,360
happened. 
So the next year is when Aegon 

2762
02:11:28,360 --> 02:11:31,920
dies, and that's when things are
going to really blow up and 

2763
02:11:31,920 --> 02:11:35,200
we're going to leave the story 
here, But leaving it here gives 

2764
02:11:35,200 --> 02:11:38,200
us quite a picture of how star 
game we've got a lot of kids 

2765
02:11:38,200 --> 02:11:42,360
now, a lot of grandchildren. 
You got 5 grandchildren from the

2766
02:11:42,360 --> 02:11:47,160
Union of Alyssa and Anies, and 
you still have Megor and all the

2767
02:11:47,160 --> 02:11:49,280
others. 
The family is double digits now,

2768
02:11:50,080 --> 02:11:53,120
depending on who you count. 
But I think even a tight 

2769
02:11:53,120 --> 02:11:55,240
counting is a large number of 
people. 

2770
02:11:55,240 --> 02:11:57,240
And if you count the Dragons 
that have been born in this era 

2771
02:11:57,240 --> 02:12:01,240
we have, we have unnamed Dragons
in this era that we don't even 

2772
02:12:01,240 --> 02:12:03,640
know about. 
We we tried to guess who those 

2773
02:12:03,640 --> 02:12:05,680
six hatchlings were that were 
offered to Megor, and we only 

2774
02:12:05,680 --> 02:12:08,920
had one idea, the cannibal. 
Which might mean the cannibal 

2775
02:12:08,920 --> 02:12:12,280
ate the other five. 
That would that would explain it

2776
02:12:12,280 --> 02:12:14,200
somewhat. 
It would give it its name real 

2777
02:12:14,200 --> 02:12:17,400
quick if like they had six 
Dragons and one dragon. 

2778
02:12:17,400 --> 02:12:18,600
Ate the other five. 
They're like, you're the 

2779
02:12:18,600 --> 02:12:21,680
cannibal. 
Yeah, like, Dang, that's a thing

2780
02:12:21,680 --> 02:12:22,880
that can happen. 
Yikes. 

2781
02:12:22,880 --> 02:12:25,560
Like. 
That's like something out of, I 

2782
02:12:26,080 --> 02:12:28,160
don't know, you hear that? 
And like some of the Star Wars 

2783
02:12:28,160 --> 02:12:30,240
races have things like that. 
Some of these weird aliens that 

2784
02:12:30,240 --> 02:12:32,880
exist in Star Wars, like the, 
Yeah, Trandoceans do that. 

2785
02:12:32,880 --> 02:12:34,800
Yeah, they're they're brutal 
from the beginning. 

2786
02:12:35,120 --> 02:12:36,840
Yeah. 
So the Dragons and trend oceans 

2787
02:12:36,840 --> 02:12:40,200
have some things in in common 
that is a real thing and just 

2788
02:12:40,200 --> 02:12:41,520
normal nature also. 
Yeah, you're right. 

2789
02:12:41,560 --> 02:12:43,080
Yeah. 
And and Mamas do that too. 

2790
02:12:43,080 --> 02:12:44,920
Like you'll see, like a mom bird
or. 

2791
02:12:44,920 --> 02:12:48,160
Squirrel, It's like I can't 
raise all five of you. 

2792
02:12:48,360 --> 02:12:49,680
One of you has got to go. 
I can. 

2793
02:12:49,800 --> 02:12:51,160
I can only race for you. 
It's brutal. 

2794
02:12:51,160 --> 02:12:54,640
But yeah, nature is. 
Nature is metal, as they say. 

2795
02:12:55,680 --> 02:12:58,880
What's that Futurama quote about
nature for in the? 

2796
02:12:58,920 --> 02:13:02,080
End Nature is horrific and 
teaches us nothing. 

2797
02:13:05,160 --> 02:13:07,400
In the end, nature is horrific 
and teaches us nothing. 

2798
02:13:09,640 --> 02:13:14,040
Yep, supernatural. 
Super nature, it's true that in 

2799
02:13:14,040 --> 02:13:18,280
that case as well. 
So, yeah, all right. 

2800
02:13:18,280 --> 02:13:20,280
So yeah, it will not be a 
transition, a peaceful 

2801
02:13:20,280 --> 02:13:22,560
transition of power. 
It's almost like many people 

2802
02:13:22,560 --> 02:13:26,040
were just waiting for Aegon to 
die, or for annies to take over 

2803
02:13:26,040 --> 02:13:28,080
one or the other. 
It's the same pick take, you 

2804
02:13:28,080 --> 02:13:30,360
know, chicken or the egg, Dragon
or the egg. 

2805
02:13:30,400 --> 02:13:33,080
You take your pick. 
The realm went from someone 

2806
02:13:33,080 --> 02:13:35,840
everyone was afraid of because 
he had proved repeatedly that 

2807
02:13:35,840 --> 02:13:38,360
you should be afraid of him to 
someone that almost no one was 

2808
02:13:38,360 --> 02:13:41,760
afraid of, even though he had a 
dragon and a nasty, dangerous 

2809
02:13:41,760 --> 02:13:44,560
brother. 
They apparently just kind of 

2810
02:13:44,560 --> 02:13:47,120
ignored that part. 
But to be fair, Megor was not 

2811
02:13:47,120 --> 02:13:51,840
the writer of Valerian just yet,
so it was still a bad idea. 

2812
02:13:52,000 --> 02:13:56,080
But you can see why it was a 
better idea to try it against 

2813
02:13:56,120 --> 02:13:59,000
Anis than against Aegon. 
So we have a lot to say about 

2814
02:13:59,000 --> 02:14:01,720
that, but we won't be coming 
back with that. 

2815
02:14:01,720 --> 02:14:04,360
Next time. 
We're going to pivot away from 

2816
02:14:04,360 --> 02:14:08,880
Fire and Blood briefly as we are
establishing a pattern. 

2817
02:14:09,240 --> 02:14:13,120
We'll do, you know, 5678 Fire 
and Blood episodes at a time, 

2818
02:14:13,120 --> 02:14:14,840
pivot away, do other stuff and 
then come back to it. 

2819
02:14:15,280 --> 02:14:18,480
And I imagine we'll be able to 
pivot back to it probably one 

2820
02:14:18,480 --> 02:14:20,520
more time before House of the 
Dragon season. 

2821
02:14:20,840 --> 02:14:25,720
But of course will return to it 
when the time is appropriate and

2822
02:14:25,720 --> 02:14:27,360
we will let you know. 
So next week I'm going to leave 

2823
02:14:27,360 --> 02:14:29,040
it a little bit of a surprise 
for now. 

2824
02:14:29,560 --> 02:14:32,480
So because we usually tell you, 
but it's fun to have the 

2825
02:14:32,480 --> 02:14:35,400
occasional surprise, so this is 
a good time for that. 

2826
02:14:35,560 --> 02:14:38,760
But I won't leave you in the 
dark on the trivia question, 

2827
02:14:38,760 --> 02:14:40,240
because that would be very mean 
of me. 

2828
02:14:40,480 --> 02:14:44,240
Which of Prince Aegon's 
grandson's grandchildren rather 

2829
02:14:44,480 --> 02:14:48,400
did not ever ride a dragon? 
That would be Prince Viserys. 

2830
02:14:48,440 --> 02:14:52,320
The middle child never rode a 
dragon that we know of. 

2831
02:14:52,760 --> 02:14:55,600
He did become Meg or Squire, and
that didn't go very well for 

2832
02:14:55,600 --> 02:14:58,960
him. 
I will say we got a number of 

2833
02:14:58,960 --> 02:15:01,200
people who said Viserys. 
And some people who questioned 

2834
02:15:01,200 --> 02:15:04,080
whether Vala would count. 
That's a fairpoint. 

2835
02:15:04,120 --> 02:15:06,680
Vala died in the cradle. 
I don't usually count. 

2836
02:15:06,720 --> 02:15:09,120
She lived. 
Longer enough that, yeah. 

2837
02:15:09,120 --> 02:15:10,800
Anyway, that was the debate 
going on. 

2838
02:15:10,800 --> 02:15:12,520
It's a good. 
That's a good point. 

2839
02:15:12,680 --> 02:15:15,640
I should, I could, if I were to 
ever ask that question again out

2840
02:15:15,640 --> 02:15:19,040
of all the. 
Building who lived to to be 

2841
02:15:19,040 --> 02:15:21,800
dragon riding aid. 
Yeah, to to be old enough to 

2842
02:15:21,800 --> 02:15:24,000
ride a dragon, because. 
Certainly Vayela was not old 

2843
02:15:24,000 --> 02:15:25,120
enough to. 
Ride a dragon. 

2844
02:15:25,120 --> 02:15:26,960
So yeah, there's there's an 
we'll have to word that 

2845
02:15:26,960 --> 02:15:30,160
exception properly. 
But yes, that's a it's a 

2846
02:15:30,160 --> 02:15:33,160
fairpoint. 
When we're doing trivia, trivial

2847
02:15:33,160 --> 02:15:36,480
answers definitely are fair 
game. 

2848
02:15:36,680 --> 02:15:38,680
So good call on those of you who
mentioned Vayela. 

2849
02:15:39,800 --> 02:15:41,560
Wait, we have to wait. 
What would we have to say? 

2850
02:15:41,600 --> 02:15:41,840
Vaya. 
Vaya. 

2851
02:15:42,600 --> 02:15:45,520
Yes, Vaya. 
Chloe of Grossman, Canon and and

2852
02:15:45,720 --> 02:15:47,240
got us. 
Started on, she says. 

2853
02:15:47,240 --> 02:15:48,040
Diet. 
Diet. 

2854
02:15:48,440 --> 02:15:53,240
She's Dale as like Paella and I 
now whenever I see those names, 

2855
02:15:53,680 --> 02:15:56,480
I'm like Vaya. 
Yeah, yeah, I just have to hear 

2856
02:15:56,480 --> 02:15:57,680
it. 
It's the. 

2857
02:15:58,240 --> 02:16:00,720
It's the Spanish. 
Or Portuguese Targaryen. 

2858
02:16:04,280 --> 02:16:06,680
Yes, All right. 
So we mentioned some episodes 

2859
02:16:06,680 --> 02:16:10,240
that relate to this one, of 
course, we mentioned Young 

2860
02:16:10,240 --> 02:16:12,480
Tywin, so the reigns of 
Castamere would be a good one. 

2861
02:16:12,480 --> 02:16:16,160
Obviously under the Dragon's 
High Tower, both the parts one 

2862
02:16:16,160 --> 02:16:19,200
and two. 
We talked about the the changes 

2863
02:16:19,200 --> 02:16:21,440
at the Iron Island, so our 
Patreon episode on the Red 

2864
02:16:21,440 --> 02:16:26,280
Kraken would be fun. 
We talked about Dorne a bit, so 

2865
02:16:26,280 --> 02:16:30,600
maybe Nymeria is your bag. 
And we talked a bit about Dark 

2866
02:16:30,600 --> 02:16:33,360
Sister. 
So you you can check out our 

2867
02:16:33,360 --> 02:16:37,040
episode on Dark Sister. 
Those are my suggestions for 

2868
02:16:37,040 --> 02:16:40,440
this time, but there's so many 
others you can find by browsing 

2869
02:16:40,440 --> 02:16:44,040
our back catalog. 
It is large if I do say so 

2870
02:16:44,040 --> 02:16:46,120
myself. 
Yes, I do. 

2871
02:16:46,920 --> 02:16:50,920
Sean, you have some shout outs 
you wish to give to some of our 

2872
02:16:50,920 --> 02:16:52,840
patrons. 
Let's hear them. 

2873
02:16:52,920 --> 02:16:57,040
As always, I include a few 
classic veterans. 

2874
02:16:57,040 --> 02:17:01,280
And new recruits We've got Lady 
Aaron of House, Snow, Blood, 

2875
02:17:01,320 --> 02:17:04,440
Mother of Maniacs. 
A couple straightforward names 

2876
02:17:04,440 --> 02:17:07,600
here. 
Jake the 5th and the Paladin. 

2877
02:17:07,719 --> 02:17:08,680
Oh, the Palladin. 
Nice. 

2878
02:17:08,920 --> 02:17:12,000
And some newer ones, Sir. 
Dumpsteer of House. 

2879
02:17:12,000 --> 02:17:14,959
Raccoon. 
Sigil is a fat black and silver 

2880
02:17:14,959 --> 02:17:19,120
raccoon on grayfield words. 
Gimme that is the right way to 

2881
02:17:19,120 --> 02:17:21,920
spell dumpster. 
It's spelled DUMPSTY. 

2882
02:17:21,959 --> 02:17:28,120
R like the magnar steer, the 
magnar that is Dom O folk wise 

2883
02:17:28,360 --> 02:17:31,360
over. 
On Twitch Hey yeah, Notable. 

2884
02:17:31,680 --> 02:17:33,920
Yeah, notable raccoon. 
Lover. 

2885
02:17:36,600 --> 02:17:39,760
Yes, absolutely. 
A couple more here. 

2886
02:17:39,840 --> 02:17:42,920
Adler Snow Bastard of Bear 
Island, Known as. 

2887
02:17:42,920 --> 02:17:47,400
The Northern Fury, as fierce as 
she is Loyal and wisdom. 

2888
02:17:47,400 --> 02:17:49,520
Mendex. 
Bastard of Starfall. 

2889
02:17:49,520 --> 02:17:51,959
Yeah, cool. 
Yes, that's appropriate. 

2890
02:17:52,400 --> 02:17:55,520
Thanks as well to Nina. 
For all the great notes, lots of

2891
02:17:55,520 --> 02:17:58,200
great points today, lots of 
great discussion topics, lots of

2892
02:17:58,200 --> 02:17:59,719
good rabbit holes for us to dive
into. 

2893
02:18:00,200 --> 02:18:05,040
Again, her blog is good. 
Queen Alley with 1l.tumblr.com 

2894
02:18:05,400 --> 02:18:09,920
You know, never point out that 
Tumblr is without an E but I 

2895
02:18:09,920 --> 02:18:12,600
imagine you knew that If you 
know anything about Tumblr, it's

2896
02:18:12,600 --> 02:18:16,799
like, I don't know Grinder. 
That it's not like Grinder. 

2897
02:18:16,799 --> 02:18:19,440
I mean, the spelling is like it.
Yeah, it sounds like Tumblr just

2898
02:18:19,440 --> 02:18:22,280
like Grinder, but not. 
At all. 

2899
02:18:22,280 --> 02:18:25,160
Just like, yeah, not just Google
knows enough to help you. 

2900
02:18:25,160 --> 02:18:28,760
Out if you're. 
If you didn't know, yes, Joey, 

2901
02:18:28,760 --> 02:18:31,680
Jesse Bran and Michael Klorfeld.
Thanks to you all. 

2902
02:18:31,680 --> 02:18:36,400
For your excellent additions to 
our show in the form of maps, 

2903
02:18:36,639 --> 02:18:40,360
intro, outro and music in all 
its forms. 

2904
02:18:40,600 --> 02:18:43,360
Every time you say though that 
group of names, I think. 

2905
02:18:43,440 --> 02:18:48,040
Of Daria. 
Daria is in the the cartoon. 

2906
02:18:48,240 --> 02:18:50,000
Yeah, the cartoon Daria 'cause 
there's. 

2907
02:18:50,799 --> 02:18:54,480
There's Joey. 
Jeffy and Jamie, the three boys 

2908
02:18:54,480 --> 02:18:57,400
that like Quinn Morgendorfer 
like has always following her 

2909
02:18:57,400 --> 02:18:59,400
around but like the three JS 
they're known by. 

2910
02:18:59,400 --> 02:19:01,320
So I do hear go you go Joey, 
Jesse. 

2911
02:19:01,320 --> 02:19:02,959
And I'm like Jeffy. 
Jeffy. 

2912
02:19:04,959 --> 02:19:05,680
Yeah. 
Burning Dari. 

2913
02:19:05,680 --> 02:19:08,799
I love her, Jeffy. 
Is definitely a little a a name 

2914
02:19:08,799 --> 02:19:10,200
of someone. 
Very young, I think. 

2915
02:19:10,559 --> 02:19:12,520
An adult named Jeffy. 
I've never heard of such a 

2916
02:19:12,600 --> 02:19:13,520
thing. 
Yeah, it's AI mean. 

2917
02:19:13,520 --> 02:19:15,000
It's a teen boy. 
They're all they're all teen 

2918
02:19:15,000 --> 02:19:18,200
boys and they're all meant to. 
Be a little bit emasculated by, 

2919
02:19:18,200 --> 02:19:22,280
I think, being Joey, Jesse and 
Jamie and Jeffy, whatever. 

2920
02:19:22,280 --> 02:19:26,959
Yeah, well, on behalf of my 
fellow. 

2921
02:19:26,959 --> 02:19:30,680
Co hosts and all of our many 
cats who I guess we didn't get 

2922
02:19:30,680 --> 02:19:34,559
any appearances from them today,
but next time, perhaps next 

2923
02:19:34,559 --> 02:19:37,280
y'all got to come in and ask. 
Yeah, you got to ask for cat 

2924
02:19:37,280 --> 02:19:38,680
appearances. 
We rarely. 

2925
02:19:38,680 --> 02:19:40,520
Don't come through when you. 
Ask. 

2926
02:19:40,520 --> 02:19:46,000
But y'all, don't always ask, but
until next time, Valar Reedus 

2927
02:19:58,680 --> 02:19:58,760
the.