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Lord creegan start 11, Lord of 
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north, The Wolf of the north. 
He was called until he was 

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called The Old Man of the north 
he loomed as Eternal as the wall

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and Winterfell at least compared
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Stark, Lord or person and beyond
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He has a claim to be the most 
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The mall given that long 
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he had on the history of 
Westeros. 

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Yeah, us not just in the north, 
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due to his role in the dance of 
the Dragons. 

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But that part he played as major
as it was in the dance came when

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he was only about 22 or 23 years
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lived long enough to get a 
second nickname referring to his

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age. 
So he outlived the young king, 

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he helped get settled. 
Then the Our Gary and king and 

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the next, probably the next 
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little hazy towards the end as 
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Where all eyes were on the south
or where the histories have not 

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yet been revealed in great 
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As always though even with 
partial information there's an 

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awful lot. 
We know a lot more we can infer 

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and a few other things we can 
throw in here and there like 

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details and, you know, jokes he 
married three times had 10 

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Children and unknown. 
But large number of 

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grandchildren saw, countless 
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outlived. 
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Youth, and many of the younger 
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featured in. 
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mysteries and pops up in some 
eyebrow-raising spots within the

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main pages of Song of Ice and 
Fire. 

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I think if we pulled the entire 
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don't know how we would ever do 
that but if we could my opinion,

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it'd be a favorite in the top 
five Starks of all time. 

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Category. 
And there are reasons. 

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Lots of them why people feel so 
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We'll get into all those reasons
and more on this episode of 

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history of Westeros podcast. 
You know, I could have started 

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this by saying pack it up. 
Pack it in. 

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Let me free game, you'll notice 
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knew that was coming for. 
I said it, she started cringing.

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Yeah, because I tested it out on
her this morning and she cringed

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then, and I love upon which 
should have. 

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That's not a good point. 
Just been fi clear. 

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Not to open made some of you 
laugh, but it's so bad that Sean

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isn't here today. 
That's how bad it is, it just 

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blew him, right? 
I doubt he's gone. 

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Yeah, California. 
Now, we knew Sean wouldn't be 

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here today. 
We picked day spoilery topic. 

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So there will be some spoilers 
in this one. 

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Of course, when I say spoilers. 
I mean spoilers for House of the

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Dragon. 
If you've already read Fire and 

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Blood, then there's no spoilers 
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So for most of you, this isn't 
spoilery but that warning gets 

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thrown in there. 
Just in case shout out to our 

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good friend Nina, check out 
good. 

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Queen a lead on Tumblr.com, I 
don't just check it out submit a

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question, she a lot of her blog 
post over Sponsors to 

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excellently, ask question. 
Well, they're not always 

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excellent. 
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those but they're good 
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Get answered. 
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from here as a listener, to ask 
question, it will be a good one.

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This episode was voted on by 
patrons. 

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We did put up a what episode 
should we do? 

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While Shaun's gone that bills 
feature, spoilers pull, and this

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is what was chosen next week is 
the free city of cohort. 

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Yes, working our way, gradually 
through the nine. 

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Three cities, we've done lease. 
We've done. 

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Do we do? 
We only place we did Laura. 

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That's right. 
Okay. 

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Yeah. 
If the episode ends and you want

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to stay immersed in history of 
Westeros a so small that we've 

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got you covered with suggestions
for topics related to this one 

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like I said at the end also at 
the end is the answer to this 

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trivia question, what title was 
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Cersei the definition of alencar
bonus if you know, their full 

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name Mmmmm. 
It's good to cover topics like 

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this and others before they hit 
television, because that will 

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forever change. 
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it, if we even think it's they 
nail it, it's still going to 

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change. 
What? 

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We see. 
We're going to have picture, 

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whoever the actor is some of us.
Well, anyway, maybe hear their 

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voice. 
It's good to have a record of 

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our perspective before, in other
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So before that gets set, not 
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what's coming but still I'd like
to separate the two to keep our 

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ducks in a row before we really 
dig deep. 

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I think, you know, you want to 
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Do not confuse them. 
It's really about not being 

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confused and eating it straight.
It isn't about, you know, one's 

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bad. 
And the other is good. 

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Although, that is a valid 
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hold and to enjoy the 
characterization more by 

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appreciating the book version, 
through a deeper understanding. 

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I think, when you see this 
character on TV, you will 

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appreciate it more. 
If you know more about him, if 

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you understand the book, 
Character really well seeing him

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on TV unless they do a really 
bad job is going to be more 

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likely enhance the experience, 
especially this character. 

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It's a scarf after all, really 
important ones semi-legendary 

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only semi-legendary because 
maybe not enough time has passed

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for him to be fully legendary, 
you know, there's not a exactly 

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a rule book on when someone 
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But he's only Ned's 
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Either by counted, right? 
So not that far back but that 

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said if we had a fuller picture 
of creegan and we should get 

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more in Blood and fire and 
possibly talk of him and say the

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she-wolves of Winterfell or 
elsewhere, maybe this wouldn't 

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be a single topic episode, I 
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topic. 
I think it would take more than 

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one episode, but given the 
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more than enough for. 
Just one you saw. 

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How much time we spend on Aidan 
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And there's huge gaps and 
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The Dragon Knights life, too. 
And creegan lived, a lot longer 

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than Amon. 
We don't get much in the way of 

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physical descriptions, except 
for the classic Stark, gray 

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eyes. 
That reminded septon Eustace of 

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a winter storm. 
I almost think he probably 

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wasn't a really big or really 
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have stood out, especially given
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If he was also able to dominate 
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spite of it, then that would be 
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So maybe he just didn't have a 
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other than those eyes I suppose 
here is the first mention of him

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in brand, seven in the Bronx. 
That one is John start. 

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When the see Raiders landed in 
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built the castle at White 
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His son was Rickard Stark, not 
my father's father, but another 

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Rick hard. 
He took the neck away from the 

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marsh King and married, his 
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Be on Starks, the real thin one 
with the long hair and the 

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skinny beard. 
They called Him The Hungry Wolf 

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because he was always at War. 
That's a Brandon, the tall one 

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with the dream. 
He faced he was, Brandon the 

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ship right because he loved the 
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His tomb is empty. 
He tried to sail west across the

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sunset sea and was never seen 
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His son was Brandon the burner 
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because he put the torch to all 
his father's ships in greed. 

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There's Roderick Stark who Juan 
bear Island in a wrestling match

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and gave it to the Mormont. 
And that's torrhen Stark, the 

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king whom L, he was the last 
king of the North and the first 

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Lord of Winterfell. 
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Conqueror, oh, there he is. 
Craig and start. 

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He fought with Prince a man. 
Once and the Dragon Knight said 

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he'd never faced a finer 
swordsman, they were almost at 

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the end now and bran felt a 
sadness. 

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Creeping over him almost at the 
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I wonder if you can read that 
different way like an end to the

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Sharks or just an end his own 
life or this is before he knows 

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his father has passed. 
So might just be foreshadowing 

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that Nina doesn't think it's too
deep there. 

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It's just the end of the rows of
of statues. 

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But you know, your mileage, may 
vary more to the point though. 

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We don't exactly know when Craig
and got his nickname contain the

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word old as I said, so you have 
enough other information to get 

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close enough to say he died. 
Roughly, 90 to 110 years before 

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brand was born, he lived. 
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probably longer than that. 
And brand was born in. 

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What is it one or two 91, so 
Turin. 

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And Craig are the only non kings
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way. 
That's maybe noteworthy. 

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Here's the list after creegan. 
By the way, we've got john'll 

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Barth again and Brandon are 
looser, barf again? 

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Yeah, real Joss, probar lorient.
I'll hang. 

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Those are creegan signs Rodwell.
And Bear on our Brandon Sons Don

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or and Willem were bear on Sons 
and then we'll am with the 

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father of Ed while he was. 
The father of Rick are, who is 

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the father of knit 104? 
Back to the Geocache. 

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It's made of y'all watch the 
show party down. 

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They have a no, you're fine. 
They have a character named 

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Josh, robar Lorien. 
It's a fictional movie 

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characters, not actually, in the
show, they're just referring 

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this character. 
Ja fro bar, Lori Colonel, Joshua

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from Myrtle jaw throat and his 
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DeLorean. 
Now bar Lorien sounds like a 

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mash-up of Baratheon and 
Targaryen bar. 

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Lorien Targaryen like Jeff. 
Roe is just like Joffrey, right?

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So I'm sure that we're falling 
out over that name. 

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We heard that. 
Good job, bro. 

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Party Downs a great show but We 
can be pretty sure bear on died 

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around the year to 12 because of
what George teased about the 

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she-wolves Winterfell. 
Maybe it was a couple years 

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later but is roughly in that 
rain. 

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Not long after that or in that 
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that meaning creegan ruled 
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Dark, Lord's would on average. 
So he's easily the longest dark 

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lordship. 
We know of at least 60 years, 

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possibly 70. 
Yeah, the longest he could have 

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Have lived was 292. 
Yeah, he did not live into the 

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third Century definitely died 
before the end of the century. 

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He was born a 10-8. 
So, the latest he could have 

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lived his about ninety three 
ninety, ninety to their kings 

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with stories of crazy, long 
rains, like Cedric's no beard 

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who supposedly was? 
Well, over 100, when his great 

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grandson or grandson, drove the 
Raiders out of the white knife. 

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And of course, Brandon the 
Builder has the About his life 

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for crazy, but we don't really 
need to compare the super 

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ancient ones because those 
stories aren't well attested. 

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They're more likely to have been
exaggerated and if they refer to

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a time where mad more magic was 
in play than it's not really 

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fair to compare it to the 
non-magical ones. 

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Yeah. 
Old man of the North. 

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When did he get that name? 
That's something we don't know. 

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So I divided the episode 
basically into three parts, 

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we've got the wolf of the 
North's that we're going to have

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the black Ali Arrow. 
He's married his second wife and

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perhaps the one he was married 
to the longest and then the old 

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man of the north is the last 
section and we don't know when 

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one ends and the other begins. 
So we're just kind of 

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guesstimating. 
It's funny thing about though. 

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Like what counts is old, I mean 
in this context, he could have 

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been When he was 49 he had been 
Lord of Winterfell already 31. 

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Here's which Westeros seems like
a really long time. 

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So you can see mold just because
of how long you've been in place

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like Nick has been Lord forever.
It feels like, but not actually 

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as old as you might think you 
might have gone gray or silver 

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early to with so much stress in 
his life. 

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Yeah. 
All that winter. 

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Because as we'll see here, 
there's a lot of, I mean, 

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there's a lot of burden on any 
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that he had to face. 
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just the dance, but on his own 
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that. 
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second mention of creaking is 
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It's also in brand 7, but a 
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Thrones, it's like creegan time.
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When the Shadows moved it looked
for an instant as if the dead 

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were Rising as well. 
We oughta and Brandon Lord 

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Rickard Stark their father Lord 
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and his brother are toast. 
The implacable Lord honor and 

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Lord, Barren and Lord, Rodwell 
one-eyed. 

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Lord, John O Lord Barth Lord, 
Brandon and Lord Cragen who had 

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fought the Dragon Knight on 
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They sat with stone Wolves at 
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This was where they came when 
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their bodies. 
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Dead where the living feared To 
Tread they're really knows that 

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rhymed I know Christ are called 
Dead with a beard. 

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Tread certainly the Dead Rising 
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Sounds like foreshadowing of 
nothing else. 

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Maybe cragen's, spirit will be 
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aside one difference here and to
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That's this is a little more. 

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What we might Expect to see at 
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the end of the series. 
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crypts, the rising of the dead 
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people to come through or 
something? 

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Anyway, that's not directly 
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It would be interesting if his 
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we see involved in some way. 
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have the mention of him fighting
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Dragon Knight episode. 
We struggled to Place. 

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No one knows when that happened.
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here in this episode and we 
rehash briefly, the ones that we

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already made. 
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We've said, many times more than
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telling us things twice. 
So he mentioned creegan fighting

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the Dragon Knight in book 1 and 
then again in book two could be 

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relevant. 
Could be now creaking story 

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contains several elements that 
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Song of Ice and Fire. 
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or contextualize them, further 
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Let's go to his early life. 
He was born in the year 108 

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which is why I could guess he 
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he didn't rule in the third 
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He had a father named Rick on a 
mother named Julian Glover in an

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unnamed younger. 
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1919, which means he was at most
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only four fives and like that, 
that Most likely pretty safely 

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have a strong impact on Reagan 
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Having lost his brother might be
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Definitely one thing will see 
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have much of a sense of humor. 
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fairly common for Starks, but 
having lots of serious things 

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happen. 
When you're young, lots of adult

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things happen is that you 
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child are also very prominent 
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losing his brother But more than
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had a bastard half sister named 
Sarah snow. 

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Who is probably such a big story
and topic that will handle it 

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separately. 
But his childhood friend, are a 

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Nori eventually became as white.
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But the toughness he exudes 
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stark. 
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if he had these he's the hill 
Clan in-laws you know the Nori's

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are the hill tribes so it feels 
like maybe some influence from 

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the tougher side of the nor 
maybe that a Helps explain why 

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he is the way he is or was or 
maybe that was Nina says maybe 

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the other way around, maybe 
creegan found kinship with them 

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because he was already kind of 
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gravitated towards them. 
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have similar like-minded, folk 
hard to say. 

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One did all the work to 
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first place. 
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above his best. 
Friend was Lord Kerwin or 

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cerwyn, however you want to say 
it. 

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It was perhaps not Lord when 
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frigging Castle sermons, only a 
day's ride from Winterfell. 

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So this one makes a lot of sense
just from proximity standpoint. 

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This is another younger Lord 
that I figure a lot of young 

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Stark, boys and girls have been 
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of house curl and over the 
centuries. 

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Just making friends with people 
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people in your village, Etc. 
It's tempting given that 

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personality Ian so far to put 
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rather. 
The Ned Brandon Spectrum, which 

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is the talkative energetic, 
Wildfire Ewolf, versus the more 

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reserved kind of Colder, but you
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version, he's more, may be most 
similar to Alaric Stark who we 

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see through the eyes of earlier 
Fire and Blood when he meets 

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with Allison and Jerry's and 
Impaired Alaric the Stannis, and

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I'd say that's fair. 
It took a pregnancy test and 

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it's in a lot of ways, but 
without the chip on his shoulder

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because Dennis was second born 
and, you know, that it was like 

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the big deal. 
Looking up the Robert and all 

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that Craig and didn't really 
have that. 

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But one thing they have in 
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Intimidator and liking when 
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like, he walks around 
intimidating, people as a test 

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to see, right? 
If anyone here can stand up to 

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me and And match my energy, then
that's a good person or some of 

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them until actually like and 
maybe befriend, or at least 

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respect. 
Because I know I'm intimidating.

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And you can stand up to me. 
Hey, you're your special. 

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I mean that's kind of how 
Santa's he's got that pride and 

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because he's got that pride and 
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You actually recognizes when 
people can handle his withering,

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the presence. 
And I think Creek and has that 

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without probably the physicality
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That's easy to forget that 
because the TV show and all that

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but But Santa's just like a 
thinner version of Robert 

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without as many muscle but still
very tall and big very big God 

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you know very muscular just not 
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possible maybe Craig and wasn't 
very popular when he was young. 

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So I kind of feel like a lot of 
starks would have liked that 

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presents having a tough kid like
that, you know, maybe something 

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has what's needed. 
A lot of starks are a lot of 

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rather Northern Lords might even
like When this kids Lord will be

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in good shape, you know someone 
tough-minded like that. 

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They may have appreciate that 
but who knows? 

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It's a big. 
An open question or making a few

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assumptions here. 
Moving ahead to the dance of the

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direwolf. 
We described it in the episode 

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under the dragons 52 129. 
So check out that for the Fuller

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story. 
Just a quick recap here Rick on 

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his father passed in 121 and 
Rick ons, brother Bernard became

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Regent because Cregan was only 
13 now in Craig and turned 16 

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and 124 Bernards. 
Like I think I'm gonna keep 

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rolling, it doesn't relinquish 
it, our best guess is ambition, 

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there doesn't seem to be some 
sort of compelling. 

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Brett, might be a reason like 
Oh, the wildlings are coming. 

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We need to have someone an adult
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doesn't seem to be excuse. 
Will come back to that in just a

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minute. 
As to why I'm quite sure. 

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Winter wasn't a problem. 
Here, Cragen was still 

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unmarried, so he didn't have an 
in-law house to help him, 

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though. 
He may have already had that 

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connection to the Nori's. 
They may have already sort of 

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expected him to marry her or 
hoping for they may have already

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been allies at this point, or 
they may have seen it as an 

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opportunity like, all right, 
well, the young Lord is being 

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held out of his seat. 
We helped him out will get 

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rewarded, something like that. 
Could happen Bernard on the 

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other hand was married to the 
car starts, his wife was 

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Margaret karstark so they may 
have thought themselves more 

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suited or more start more purely
start, because of that Bernard 

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Sons may have had a special sort
of Pride, being both Stark and 

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karstark. 
I don't know if that's a thing, 

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just something to throw it out 
there. 

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But something I believe we 
didn't mention in the under the 

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dragon episodes was the presence
of at least one more Stark 

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Branch out there. 
Maybe I did mention it, but 

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Eventually Linares Stark will 
enter the story and she's a 

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descendant of Brandon, the 
boisterous, who was the second 

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Lord of Winterfell after the 
king who knelt? 

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So a ways back, but they still 
would have been around in this 

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time because obviously Lenora 
doesn't come around for quite a 

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while still. 
So what did this branch of the 

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family do? 
During this time it probably 

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took creegan side? 
Because what would they gain by 

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siding with Bernard, Bernard 
would would make them second, 

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fiddle, or third fiddle, or 
maybe eliminate them because If 

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he's an ambitious guy, he would 
be thinking like an ambitious 

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guy does, which is expecting 
everyone else to be like him. 

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And if he's willing to usurp, 
then he would expect other 

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people. 
Might try to use her of him so 

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he might try to remove all other
potential claimants on the other

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hand, he didn't murder Cregan. 
I mean that would have been 

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really bad from northern values 
perspective, being a kingslayer.

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Nina. 
Guess is, they probably took her

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egg inside there because again, 
you know, helping the actual 

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lawful claimant is generally. 
The morally upright thing to do 

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and even if we don't think they 
did it on moral grounds. 

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Well again, there'd be the 
rewards and just Northern 

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values. 
They're a little more dependable

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and cases like this then perhaps
the South if maybe only a little

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bit. 
Again the servants probably took

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Craig inside to thanks to that 
friendship. 

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That would be really interesting
if they didn't both. 

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With the young Lords were 
against their father, or their 

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uncle and father or whoever 
whatever took place in 126 

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Cregan, managed to reclaim, his 
lordship had Bernard and his 

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three sons imprisoned almost 
immediately. 

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Mary's our Inori again, maybe 
that implies their help was 

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prominent, not just present and 
both the Glovers as well. 

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Maybe the Glovers and Nora's 
rather may have helped because 

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the Glovers were After all 
cragen's mother's family, the 

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men have been it. 
Might've been a really 

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interesting sort of East-West of
in. 

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You got the Glovers on the west 
and the karstarks in the East 

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and maybe Nina says neither side
wanted to be left out in the 

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cold if the other side one. 
Now if our Nori was a warrior it

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would be kind of fitting given 
his personality and he later 

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Falls for black Ali Blackwood 
who definitely was a warrior 

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that need to bring that up in 
the hour of the Wolf episode. 

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By the way, our the Wolf episode
that we Did with Nina as a guest

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not just with her notes, 
although her notes alone or 

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substantial, it's even better 
when she's present. 

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So that's an absolute it back 
in. 2019 for that reason. 

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We're not going to go too deep 
into the hour of the wolf 

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because we've already covered it
and there's so much else to say 

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about creegan but more on that 
when we get to it. 

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Yeah. 
I can really picture Bernard 

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side, kind of like bringing 
status back into it under 

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estimating, the hill Clans, 
which the Bolton's did as well. 

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In this case, in A Song of Ice 
and Fire we see standard scope. 

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What are you Me at first and 
then John describes it and 

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sentences like okay 3,000 men 
and all I got to do is make nice

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and they're tough. 
You say like he'll fighter guys,

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lot sounds great. 
Yeah, so I mean that is an 

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outsider it's a little more 
understandable he would 

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underestimate or even Beyond 
aware of these fellows didn't 

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take much to convince him that 
they were tough, strong fighter 

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to happen inside but aren't my 
is more likely to already know 

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that but it's there's a chance 
he still underestimated or that 

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they were a factor in general. 
So, Glover's Nori's maybe other 

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Hill Clans, maybe the entirety 
of the Hill clans were on Dragon

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side. 
Now, it may not even come to 

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war, may not have come to 
violence. 

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I mean, after all Craig and his 
sons were just imprisoned, 

447
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,500
there's no talk of a fight 
between them, maybe it was done 

448
00:24:34,500 --> 00:24:37,600
bloodlessly, but who knows what 
other house would be interesting

449
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:41,100
to see would be the locks. 
The lies of Locke was wife, the 

450
00:24:41,100 --> 00:24:46,700
benjen Stark, Who was the father
of both rickon and Bernard. 

451
00:24:46,900 --> 00:24:51,100
So this was a divide between 
those two sides of the family. 

452
00:24:51,100 --> 00:24:54,400
So the locks may have played at 
neutral or decided with the 

453
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,700
proper placement, what happened 
to Bernard and his sons, what? 

454
00:24:57,700 --> 00:25:01,100
We don't know, the wall seems 
not unlikely. 

455
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,900
Reagan was a friend of the 
watch, which is certainly 

456
00:25:03,900 --> 00:25:07,300
typical for a stark. 
Maybe he kept one of them around

457
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,600
because You know, you got to 
have a Stark in Winterfell and 

458
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,400
if Craig is the only one, if 
you'd sends all of his other kin

459
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,800
to the wall. 
Well, on the other hand, we 

460
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,800
spoke about this other branch 
that Lenora Stark will 

461
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,400
eventually emerge from maybe 
that was sufficient to have 

462
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,000
Starks in the back. 
Right. 

463
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,100
Unfortunately our Inori dies in 
128, delivering a son whom 

464
00:25:32,100 --> 00:25:34,100
Cregan named after his own 
father rickon. 

465
00:25:34,900 --> 00:25:37,900
Yeah, so let's check the 
weather. 

466
00:25:37,900 --> 00:25:41,100
I talked about why we could be 
sure Cregan or rather why 

467
00:25:41,100 --> 00:25:44,700
Bernard couldn't use winter as 
an excuse for holding onto 

468
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,700
cragen's lordship and in 
general, the behavior and 

469
00:25:48,700 --> 00:25:52,900
policies of the Starks and the 
north factor in Winter more so 

470
00:25:52,900 --> 00:25:54,900
than any other region. 
So we need to keep it in mind if

471
00:25:54,908 --> 00:25:58,300
we're going to try to figure out
why they did certain things at 

472
00:25:58,300 --> 00:26:02,400
certain times and or not, why 
they didn't do certain things at

473
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,500
certain times. 
I it's long, been said, 

474
00:26:04,700 --> 00:26:06,800
Affected. 
For example, the reason there's 

475
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,400
no word of them in the 
blackfyre. 

476
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,800
First, blackfyre rebellion was, 
maybe it was just winter, you 

477
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:12,800
know, that could have kept him 
busy. 

478
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,700
There's other reasons. 
The plenty of other reasons 

479
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,900
potentially, but that's one of 
the easiest ones to throw out 

480
00:26:19,900 --> 00:26:22,500
there as a guess. 
And one of the more likely ones 

481
00:26:22,500 --> 00:26:26,300
to land in this case it's 
specifically relevant because 

482
00:26:26,300 --> 00:26:29,800
the north new along winter was 
coming prior to the dance of the

483
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,900
Dragons when Jason Luke left for
those diplomatic missions. 

484
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,100
In 129, it was already known. 
That Autumn was quote. 

485
00:26:38,100 --> 00:26:41,300
Well, Advanced part of why the 
storms outside storms end were 

486
00:26:41,300 --> 00:26:44,000
so bad. 
Furthermore, they knew it would 

487
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,400
be a big one because as we know 
when ter Works kind of like a 

488
00:26:48,700 --> 00:26:51,800
pendulum, the seasons are longer
this summer. 

489
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,700
The longer the winter is going 
to be farther. 

490
00:26:54,700 --> 00:26:56,600
It swings one way. 
The farther it's going to swing 

491
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,500
the other way back when winter 
comes halfway through the war in

492
00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:04,500
the year 130, it's going to end 
up being a six-year winter. 

493
00:27:04,700 --> 00:27:09,400
From 130, 135 that probably 
means it was roughly a six-year 

494
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,400
spring before. 
Maybe five maybe four. 

495
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,900
He was shorter, but it would 
have I've been a longer than 

496
00:27:13,900 --> 00:27:16,400
usual one to set up a six-year 
winter. 

497
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:22,300
So it probably began right 
around 124, right? 

498
00:27:22,300 --> 00:27:26,900
When Bernard refused to give up 
the lordship, so it's possible 

499
00:27:26,900 --> 00:27:30,400
that winter was just winding 
down and he wanted to hang on to

500
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,800
it till it was over, but then 
kept holding it onto it 

501
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:37,800
afterwards, but I think there's 
a very good chance that was a 

502
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,900
factor. 
In the early part but could not 

503
00:27:40,900 --> 00:27:44,600
have been a factor later so 
that's worth taking note of 

504
00:27:44,700 --> 00:27:47,200
winter always matters folks 
especially talking about the 

505
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,400
north. 
So his nickname became the wolf 

506
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,100
of the north, we're not entirely
sure when that name came along 

507
00:27:52,100 --> 00:27:56,900
but it apparently already 
existed before he marched South 

508
00:27:56,900 --> 00:27:59,900
before he had the hour of the 
wolf in all that. 

509
00:27:59,900 --> 00:28:05,200
So his reputation preceded him 
despite his youth but I suppose 

510
00:28:05,300 --> 00:28:08,900
overthrowing your uncle when 
you're a teenager is a pretty 

511
00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:14,800
Good start to your career as a 
badass in the year, 126 18 years

512
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,700
old, Craig and took overlordship
of the North and the warden chip

513
00:28:17,700 --> 00:28:19,800
of the north. 
It's only three years later is 

514
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,900
when the dance began by, then he
was 21, had already lost the 

515
00:28:23,900 --> 00:28:27,000
love of his life and gained a 
son, not to mention. 

516
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,600
He already had experience with 
Civil War, so he's done a lot 

517
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,900
already. 
Even if he didn't fight in a 

518
00:28:34,908 --> 00:28:38,200
bloody Civil War, because we're 
again, we don't know how Bloody 

519
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,400
the dance of the Our wolves even
was and again, that's our title 

520
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,100
for it. 
The dance entire world made that

521
00:28:43,100 --> 00:28:47,700
up. 
Even if it did involve blood, it

522
00:28:47,700 --> 00:28:50,900
didn't involve dragons and it 
took place in the north where no

523
00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:53,500
fighting will take place in the 
dance, so still a lot of 

524
00:28:53,500 --> 00:28:57,700
differences. 
But Cregan would have been more 

525
00:28:57,700 --> 00:29:00,600
prepared than most I suppose. 
If not for winter. 

526
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,000
Now, I wonder how much of the 
north took note of the doings in

527
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,500
the South if they knew this was 
coming, if they predicted it. 

528
00:29:06,500 --> 00:29:12,100
If Heck the red Kraken who is 
even a little younger than Craig

529
00:29:12,100 --> 00:29:13,900
in here. 
Pretty young man. 

530
00:29:13,900 --> 00:29:16,100
Actually like him and friggin 
yes that's it. 

531
00:29:16,100 --> 00:29:17,900
That said he knew war was 
coming. 

532
00:29:17,900 --> 00:29:19,900
He figured it out. 
He could tell the greens and 

533
00:29:19,900 --> 00:29:23,100
blacks were going to go to go at
each other's throats eventually 

534
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:24,900
and he played his hand 
accordingly. 

535
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,900
Now his was to profit from the 
Civil War. 

536
00:29:27,900 --> 00:29:31,900
That's not what Reagan did or 
probably considered, he may have

537
00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:34,800
worried because if there's war 
in the South and winter is 

538
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:39,600
coming, that could screw up 
there, Access to food because 

539
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:44,500
they buy food from the south in 
Winter very typically so that 

540
00:29:44,500 --> 00:29:48,900
could be very worrisome and they
would have an interest in if 

541
00:29:48,900 --> 00:29:52,800
they got involved making sure 
the war was short because yeah 

542
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,500
the longer it drags out the 
bigger problems of food supply. 

543
00:29:57,500 --> 00:30:00,900
Get exacerbate. 
I would think the manderlys at 

544
00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:02,800
the very least would be keeping 
track of such things because 

545
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,900
they're trading with the nor 
with the South you know every 

546
00:30:05,900 --> 00:30:09,000
day like literally They're 
shipped going in and out of 

547
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,900
their port and a lot of them are
going straight to King's Landing

548
00:30:11,900 --> 00:30:16,400
or going to King's Landing via 
other destinations first or 

549
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,500
other spots in the South. 
This is something that their 

550
00:30:19,500 --> 00:30:22,600
business, their wealth would 
depend on significantly. 

551
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,000
So I think they would be paying 
attention to that now, they're 

552
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,000
not worried about the lives of 
all the Innocents. 

553
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:31,900
They're not concerned from, you 
know, a perspective of sympathy 

554
00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:35,100
or compassion, they're just 
yeah, they're worried about 

555
00:30:35,100 --> 00:30:37,000
trade and keeping their business
in. 

556
00:30:37,100 --> 00:30:40,700
Place and all that, which you 
can expect that they might be 

557
00:30:40,700 --> 00:30:43,600
worried that things in the South
will go south. 

558
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,700
So if it isn't even question too
about, just general trade 

559
00:30:46,700 --> 00:30:49,100
policies. 
If ferritin trades with 

560
00:30:49,100 --> 00:30:53,600
lannisport and Burton goes for 
the blacks, while lannisport 

561
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,800
goes green, do they stop trading
with each other? 

562
00:30:57,900 --> 00:30:59,600
Think a lot of it would but not 
all of it. 

563
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,200
I mean a regular old Merchant 
doesn't fly some flag of 

564
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,100
Allegiance if you're buying 
goods and barrowton and selling 

565
00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:08,700
them in lannisport, it's 
probably fine. 

566
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,500
Even if there's a war going 
because you're not a barrowton 

567
00:31:12,500 --> 00:31:15,400
ship or a lannisport ship, 
you're just a ship. 

568
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,600
They don't know where you're 
coming from, and they probably 

569
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,900
don't care, but if House 
Lannister has a deal with house 

570
00:31:21,900 --> 00:31:24,900
Berenson or with House. 
Dustin rather, if lannisport has

571
00:31:24,900 --> 00:31:28,800
a deal with barrowton that 
probably cease So the deals 

572
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,500
between the Lord to Nobles would
have to stop vis-à-vis, their 

573
00:31:32,500 --> 00:31:34,800
loyalty to their leads, Lord, 
right? 

574
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,200
And it's possible, a lord would 
order even private merchants, 

575
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,900
accept they shut down the port 
for the do something that's a 

576
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,100
prevent deals from happening. 
After all, that is what happens 

577
00:31:46,700 --> 00:31:50,700
at Lourdes portwenn Balon. 
Greyjoy is preparing to attack 

578
00:31:50,700 --> 00:31:54,400
the Starks at the beginning of 
or the middle of a Clash of 

579
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,200
Kings there. 
So, it is more than an idle 

580
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,600
question because it's Herman's 
not just their War policy in the

581
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:05,000
South, but what their 
expectations are towards what's 

582
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,400
going on with their other 
allies. 

583
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,900
And you might think the Lords of
the north could almost 

584
00:32:08,900 --> 00:32:12,900
effectively ignore what was 
going on the south and that 

585
00:32:12,900 --> 00:32:16,200
would be true for some of them 
and maybe more true the farther 

586
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,100
north you get. 
But that would be less true of 

587
00:32:19,100 --> 00:32:21,600
creegan because of a number of 
factors one. 

588
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:26,200
It's his job to make sure the 
north is doesn't starve. 

589
00:32:26,300 --> 00:32:29,700
I might mean looking outside. 
That might mean looking ahead to

590
00:32:29,700 --> 00:32:33,600
being prepared for such 
eventualities and again, all 

591
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,000
signs pointed to a long nasty 
winter. 

592
00:32:36,500 --> 00:32:41,400
And that's why he took so long 
to show up for the war. 

593
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,600
It wasn't an excuse. 
So let's talk about the winters 

594
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,400
wolves in the merman because 
they were the first ones to join

595
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,300
the war and creeks and Shirley 
signed off on that. 

596
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,000
If not made the plan 
specifically, they're not 

597
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,800
necessary with the merman. 
We'll get to that here. 

598
00:32:58,100 --> 00:33:00,300
Craig Craig has first priority 
is Winners we discussed, but as 

599
00:33:00,300 --> 00:33:03,700
we well know, The onset of 
winter in the north is 

600
00:33:03,700 --> 00:33:07,100
synonymous with older Winters 
older women older Warriors 

601
00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:10,300
giving up their lives to give 
their families a better shot at 

602
00:33:10,300 --> 00:33:14,000
making it to the next spring. 
This would be of particular 

603
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,800
priority. 
Given always said about how long

604
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,900
spring had been the older folk 
of the north would know what was

605
00:33:20,900 --> 00:33:23,200
coming at the end of that long 
spring for them even like, all 

606
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,000
right, this is our last spring, 
it's going to be time to ride 

607
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,200
off into battle, or brought go 
off hunting in quotes. 

608
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,100
As we know, that's how they 
That's what they call it. 

609
00:33:34,300 --> 00:33:38,400
So this is a big reversal there 
like um actually, we could go 

610
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,100
die in the South. 
That's actually dying in 

611
00:33:41,100 --> 00:33:45,100
battles, a lot more preferable 
than freezing to death bake 

612
00:33:45,100 --> 00:33:48,800
hunting and it's a chance to 
represent the North and this 

613
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,900
might mean more than you might 
think. 

614
00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:54,200
Showing the southerners what the
north is all about, showing them

615
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,000
how tough they are, how strong 
they are. 

616
00:33:57,300 --> 00:34:01,300
They might still be remembering 
King, torrhen marching South and

617
00:34:01,300 --> 00:34:05,000
kneeling remember how upset the 
Northwest have after that, a lot

618
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,400
of Turin Sons were very 
frustrated. 

619
00:34:07,500 --> 00:34:12,400
It didn't come to Civil War but 
from what we hear it might have 

620
00:34:12,699 --> 00:34:16,699
might have been prevented before
it got started, but if certain 

621
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,400
diplomatic procedures or actions
weren't taken, maybe it would 

622
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,699
have. 
We know other Northerners left 

623
00:34:22,699 --> 00:34:25,699
the north, do sellsword company 
stuff. 

624
00:34:26,300 --> 00:34:29,000
In essos. 
So yeah, it was a very unpopular

625
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,600
decision. 
Sir probably wasn't forgotten. 

626
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,800
We're not that long past. 
It's only 100 years later 130, 

627
00:34:34,900 --> 00:34:38,199
you know. 
And that's what this is 130 

628
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:41,600
years after thousands of years 
of the status quo. 

629
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:42,900
Yeah. 
Hard to forget. 

630
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:45,699
So I gotta think that this is 
still an old especially because 

631
00:34:45,699 --> 00:34:48,900
the north remembers. 
It's like their thing, right? 

632
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,500
So deployed initially were these
Winters wolves. 

633
00:34:52,500 --> 00:34:56,199
Actually technically the 
manderlys got sent first because

634
00:34:56,300 --> 00:34:59,000
Met with them. 
First on his way to Winterfell 

635
00:34:59,300 --> 00:35:03,000
and they agreed to send some men
South but those men traveled by 

636
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,800
ship to King's Landing which 
meant they were not marching 

637
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,000
with the winners wolves who went
by horse. 

638
00:35:12,100 --> 00:35:16,200
And by the way, Jace agreed, 
that Joffrey his younger brother

639
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,400
would marry manderlys youngest 
daughter, that's important, 

640
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,700
given other marriage facts, that
will come back to in a minute. 

641
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,200
So manually nights and men in 
arms, went by ship and the 

642
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:28,200
winners wolves March down the 
Cause way through the neck Into 

643
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,300
the riverlands. 
Now, what conversations did 

644
00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:33,300
creegan have with Roderick 
Dustin easy? 

645
00:35:33,300 --> 00:35:37,000
Like all right, you've been a 
great man. 

646
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,100
See you later. 
Like, you know, he's marching 

647
00:35:39,100 --> 00:35:40,800
off to die. 
They both know that. 

648
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:46,500
Like, what kind of a parting you
have in that moment? 

649
00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:50,600
It's not like, going off to war 
when you might die. 

650
00:35:50,900 --> 00:35:53,100
Like, that's because that's 
normal for war. 

651
00:35:53,100 --> 00:35:56,100
You might die. 
This is you fully expect to die.

652
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:57,500
Die. 
I mean, this is like a Last 

653
00:35:57,500 --> 00:36:00,700
Stand thing except it's not 
defense. 

654
00:36:01,100 --> 00:36:04,700
So it's it is a little unusual 
to put yourself in that mindset.

655
00:36:06,100 --> 00:36:08,500
This is another question. 
I asked back in the under the 

656
00:36:08,500 --> 00:36:13,300
Dragon episode Roddy was known 
to be a warrior and was up there

657
00:36:13,300 --> 00:36:15,500
in age. 
What were they fighting? 

658
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,300
No, no. 
This had to be something. 

659
00:36:18,500 --> 00:36:21,500
The Pact of Ice and Fire. 
Again, this is something that 

660
00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:24,900
will probably discuss Fuller 
later, it's a little big on its 

661
00:36:24,900 --> 00:36:29,200
own and not the actual packed so
much as the saris, no stuff part

662
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:30,800
of it because it's so 
theoretical. 

663
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,200
There's so many directions, it 
could go naming all the 

664
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,800
different possibilities, that's 
where you really find a lot of 

665
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,300
time gets spent on be rising. 
So, we'll save that for another 

666
00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:43,000
time. 
The basics. 

667
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,100
However, is that well, Jace and 
creegan seem to get along. 

668
00:36:47,700 --> 00:36:50,100
Which separate House of the 
Dragon. 

669
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,300
That's what rhaenyra says to 
Jace. 

670
00:36:53,700 --> 00:36:57,100
Similar H to use a young man. 
Like you, you guys might get 

671
00:36:57,100 --> 00:36:59,700
along good point and apparently 
they did. 

672
00:36:59,900 --> 00:37:03,300
And there's a couple of other 
factors a bow that that's one 

673
00:37:03,300 --> 00:37:04,200
thing. 
They both have in common is 

674
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:05,800
being usurped by their uncle had
a. 

675
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,600
Oh yeah, you were here sir by 
your uncle. 

676
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,600
So is that? 
What's up, bro? 

677
00:37:11,100 --> 00:37:13,900
According to Monken Craig and 
like Chase as well because he 

678
00:37:13,900 --> 00:37:16,100
reminded him of his deceased 
younger brother. 

679
00:37:16,100 --> 00:37:18,700
So that would be that would be A
pretty big deal. 

680
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,400
And, of course, all the standard
Noble activities in Sioux 

681
00:37:23,700 --> 00:37:27,400
hunting training together. 
Feasting and drinking, they 

682
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,500
don't mention Hawking. 
I don't think he has much in the

683
00:37:29,508 --> 00:37:33,900
north but a decent chance that 
happened to According to Eustace

684
00:37:34,300 --> 00:37:38,000
the septon cept, in Eustis. 
Keep in mind Jays tries to 

685
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:42,700
convert Cragen to the faith. 
Like did he that sounds like yes

686
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,100
I don't believe that it's 
possible. 

687
00:37:45,100 --> 00:37:47,700
I mean again this is what 
happens when you see a TV show 

688
00:37:47,700 --> 00:37:50,300
version, we don't Jase isn't 
super fleshed out and Fire and 

689
00:37:50,300 --> 00:37:53,100
Blood. 
The Jace of TV does not seem 

690
00:37:53,100 --> 00:37:55,800
like he would try to convert. 
Although he did swear on the 

691
00:37:55,808 --> 00:37:58,400
faith of the seven. 
That still he was team learning 

692
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,400
Valerian. 
And I was, anyway, I don't 

693
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,900
believe this line from Eustace 
I'm a lot more likely to believe

694
00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:06,800
mushroom and this story of Sarah
snow even though this is a 

695
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,100
little sketchy to because no one
else mentions her hair. 

696
00:38:09,100 --> 00:38:14,300
Look pretty common headcanon fan
Theory here, but I've seen that,

697
00:38:14,300 --> 00:38:16,400
I don't think the show will go 
in this direction, but I am 

698
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,900
partial to it is these, which is
that Jason Cragen really got 

699
00:38:20,900 --> 00:38:23,500
along really good. 
Like they've had a romance. 

700
00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:29,200
Oh, wow, I can Cragen Stark by 
black Ali Blackwood, you know, 

701
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,500
like if you're saying like well 
he was married well, it's like 

702
00:38:31,500 --> 00:38:33,200
well Ali. 
Also by, you know. 

703
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,200
Yeah, that's right. 
There's a lot of shippers out 

704
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,700
there who do ship Jace and 
Cragen and who thinks Sarah was 

705
00:38:39,700 --> 00:38:42,500
faith and not real. 
And I think that's interesting. 

706
00:38:42,500 --> 00:38:44,500
That's the fake. 
The fake cheese? 

707
00:38:44,500 --> 00:38:46,000
The stand-in for their 
relationship. 

708
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:46,500
Yeah. 
Okay. 

709
00:38:46,900 --> 00:38:49,300
I mean, yeah, there's no 
obvious, there's no evidence for

710
00:38:49,300 --> 00:38:50,600
it. 
But besides I'm getting along 

711
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,500
well which isn't evidence it 
just opens the possibility, but 

712
00:38:53,500 --> 00:38:54,900
hey, that's cool. 
Hey yeah, it's certainly 

713
00:38:54,900 --> 00:38:57,500
possible. 
Can't can't discard it. 

714
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,100
It will see you will see what 
the show does. 

715
00:38:59,100 --> 00:39:00,700
Yeah, I agree with you. 
They won't, they won't like 

716
00:39:00,700 --> 00:39:03,100
that, but I think I do think. 
They'll do the saris no thing. 

717
00:39:03,100 --> 00:39:05,600
Yeah I think so. 
I mean I think they will because

718
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,800
they set up so much that Jace 
knows, he's a bastard. 

719
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,000
Yeah, and so for him to connect 
with a bastard me yeah, it's 

720
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,600
huge. 
And then the tragedy that will 

721
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,000
come from that and then it sets 
up gives Mo Creek and more 

722
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,600
motivation to like he's mad at 
what happened. 

723
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,500
Like it's a little bit personal 
for him that this kid, he likes 

724
00:39:22,500 --> 00:39:26,500
it reminded him of his brother 
who's killed and give them more 

725
00:39:26,500 --> 00:39:29,400
incentive to be so harsh like 
later. 

726
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,500
He's so harsh and unyielding 
might be partly because of a 

727
00:39:33,500 --> 00:39:36,400
little bit of anger over Jason's
death. 

728
00:39:36,900 --> 00:39:40,900
God, makes it really tragic when
you think about, like Cragen 

729
00:39:40,900 --> 00:39:44,600
with little egg on, like as his 
hand and like being reminded of 

730
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,400
like, make me really like makes 
me very sad to think about as a 

731
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,500
lot of tragedy to like deep 
relationship, they had. 

732
00:39:50,700 --> 00:39:54,100
Yeah, I think there's a lot of 
pathos here, that might be, that

733
00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:55,900
the show is probably gonna get 
into its of a lot of ways. 

734
00:39:55,900 --> 00:39:58,800
They could go with it. 
But yeah, there's a lot of Lot, 

735
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,700
they can do. 
And I guess a lot of it won't be

736
00:40:00,700 --> 00:40:03,200
season 2 out of it. 
Yeah, setup and season two and 

737
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:08,600
then, come to fruition in. 
Probably not till season 4, but 

738
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,600
I don't imagine, they'd write 
friggin entirely out of season 

739
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:11,800
3. 
They got having do something 

740
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,900
will see a way that's something 
we'll just wait and see on. 

741
00:40:15,700 --> 00:40:17,200
It's a Greek and father Rick on 
as well. 

742
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,100
This is important had sworn to 
Rainier. 

743
00:40:19,100 --> 00:40:22,500
He had bent the knee to her when
viserys asked for it back in, 

744
00:40:22,500 --> 00:40:26,000
whatever that was 105. 106. 
And of course, the manderlys 

745
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,000
already had their deal in place.
So the north is very much for 

746
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:33,700
the blacks at this point, very 
little Consideration seem to 

747
00:40:33,707 --> 00:40:37,100
have been given for them to go 
any other way despite what the 

748
00:40:37,100 --> 00:40:40,400
high Towers may have thought or 
hoped for might have been, looks

749
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,500
like it was kind of wishful 
thinking there or maybe just to 

750
00:40:42,700 --> 00:40:45,200
align to intimidate the blacks 
and thinking, hey, the Starks 

751
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,000
are considering her offer like 
they probably weren't. 

752
00:40:48,500 --> 00:40:52,000
But he just wanted to say that 
to try to get his way. 

753
00:40:52,300 --> 00:40:56,000
So Jace does agree to marry his 
eventual firstborn daughter to 

754
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,200
Kragen's son. 
Rick on who, at this point would

755
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:02,900
be about to That would have been
huge and it happened right 

756
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,000
Targaryen blood in the Stark 
wine. 

757
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,800
That's a princess that was 
promised by the way and rickon I

758
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,000
suppose would be a prince who 
was promised coming the other 

759
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:10,900
way? 
I mean I think it means a little

760
00:41:10,900 --> 00:41:13,400
more when it's a Targaryen so a 
princess that was promised seems

761
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,700
to be the relevant one here. 
But hey both could count. 

762
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,000
So that's really big deal. 
That's you can see why there's a

763
00:41:19,008 --> 00:41:23,100
lot more to this that that 
requires exploration but given 

764
00:41:23,100 --> 00:41:26,200
how much we have to cover with 
Ricans life C90 some years? 

765
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,100
Well we'll definitely do this 
with stand alone. 

766
00:41:28,900 --> 00:41:31,400
So Craig Consent. 
The winners wolves ahead have 

767
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:36,000
some 8,000 hoary. 
Old Warriors ready to go, but he

768
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,800
also sent a letter promising 
more. 

769
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,500
Here's what it said from 
Winterfell Cragen Stark wrote to

770
00:41:41,500 --> 00:41:44,600
say that he would bring a host 
South as soon as he could. 

771
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,800
But warned that it would take 
some time to gather his men for 

772
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,500
my Realms or large and with 
winter upon us. 

773
00:41:51,500 --> 00:41:55,500
We must needs bring in our last 
Harvest or starve when the Snows

774
00:41:55,500 --> 00:41:59,100
come to stay the northmen 
promised, the queen ten. 

775
00:41:59,500 --> 00:42:02,900
Men younger and fiercer than my 
winter wolves. 

776
00:42:03,300 --> 00:42:05,900
Well, unfortunately, they did 
start when the Snows came to 

777
00:42:05,900 --> 00:42:06,600
stay. 
Anyway. 

778
00:42:07,100 --> 00:42:08,500
I guess it just would have been 
worse. 

779
00:42:08,500 --> 00:42:12,500
Had they not stayed for this? 
Yeah, because it was a bad 

780
00:42:12,500 --> 00:42:15,900
winter indeed, though that did 
occupy him getting all the rest 

781
00:42:15,900 --> 00:42:19,000
of the men together and getting 
the harvests in while Roddy's 

782
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:23,100
ruin, and his men died. 
Gloriously in the South slaying 

783
00:42:23,100 --> 00:42:28,500
many times, their own losses and
inspiring fear in the southern 

784
00:42:28,500 --> 00:42:32,100
Warriors. 
Which maybe helped pave the way 

785
00:42:32,100 --> 00:42:37,300
for brigands March later. 
So when that time came, 

786
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,200
obviously, we don't need to 
cover what happened in the 

787
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:40,500
dance. 
We're just concerned with Cregan

788
00:42:40,500 --> 00:42:45,100
right now and he came down in 
the hour of the wolf, very late 

789
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,000
after the battle called the 
muddy mess. 

790
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,300
Down the neck, came Cragen 
Stark, Lord of Winterfell, with 

791
00:42:53,300 --> 00:42:57,900
a great host at his back cept, 
in Eustis speaks of 20,000, 

792
00:42:57,900 --> 00:43:01,000
howling, Savages, and Shaggy 
pelts, though. 

793
00:43:01,100 --> 00:43:05,900
Monken lowers that to 8,000 in 
his true telling maybe it was 

794
00:43:05,900 --> 00:43:09,900
somewhere in between either way,
it was a lot. 

795
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,500
I don't think they were Savages 
at all. 

796
00:43:11,500 --> 00:43:15,200
Yeah, they may have been wearing
Shaggy pelts though. 

797
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:16,400
Yeah. 
And I may have done a little 

798
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:17,300
help. 
Yeah. 

799
00:43:19,700 --> 00:43:22,600
We covered this as well. 
Also in the hour of the Wolf 

800
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,200
episode, we'll skip over some of
it but let's look at it. 

801
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,500
A big from a big picture 
perspective then since we're not

802
00:43:27,500 --> 00:43:30,100
going to get too much into the 
details of it because it is a 

803
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,200
such a big thing. 
He showed that the start keep 

804
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,800
their word as they tend to but 
reminded the south of that 

805
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,000
because they may have forgotten 
and while the north remembers 

806
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,600
the south is not winter. 
Is there bigger priority? 

807
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,400
That was also communicated very 
thoroughly. 

808
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,800
I mean if he had come sooner 
watch by would have won. 

809
00:43:48,500 --> 00:43:49,800
Not that. 
It's his fault. 

810
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,000
I'm not blaming it. 
Just saying that it had winter 

811
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,000
been time differently. 
Yeah. 

812
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,500
That the arrival of that, many 
Northern soldiers to fight for 

813
00:43:59,500 --> 00:44:02,800
rhaenyra. 
I mean, that's just, it would 

814
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,000
have been, it would have been a 
different world but it that way,

815
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,400
even if you don't assume that, 
the blacks are the ones. 

816
00:44:09,100 --> 00:44:13,100
Some not me but you could raise 
an eyebrow and call the timing 

817
00:44:13,100 --> 00:44:15,800
of his March, very convenient. 
Now again, I don't say that we 

818
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:20,200
know winner was real, we know it
was severe but Southerners don't

819
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,600
necessarily see it that way. 
You might be like, look at it, 

820
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,300
they look at it like an 
ambitious play. 

821
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,200
This guy waited for all the 
South to beat itself up to tear 

822
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,400
itself, to shred waited for 
pretty much all the dragons to 

823
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,300
be dead. 
And then he marched his army, 

824
00:44:33,300 --> 00:44:36,200
South and went straight for the 
capital without some of the 

825
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,400
detail about winter and all that
other stuff. 

826
00:44:38,700 --> 00:44:42,600
Might really look like kinda 
like what Tywin did without the 

827
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:47,100
sack of course, but just wait to
see who comes out on top and 

828
00:44:47,100 --> 00:44:51,800
then jump on their side right? 
I mean to be fair yes he sent 

829
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,100
men well ahead of that and they 
did great but he didn't 

830
00:44:54,100 --> 00:44:56,800
personally come. 
So if he's thinking about if 

831
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,900
you're looking at it cynically 
thinking well what it really 

832
00:44:59,900 --> 00:45:02,200
does look like he sent some men 
to make it look like you're 

833
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,400
participating but himself he 
held back and then when everyone

834
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:09,400
was all messed up he came in and
seize power of Course events, 

835
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:13,000
after that would prove that he 
was not after just power though 

836
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:17,200
he did certainly benefit from 
marching South and establishing 

837
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,300
a relationship with the new 
young king. 

838
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:24,200
But to flip it, that's a really 
cynical take that Southerners, 

839
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:28,500
may have held at least for some 
time and maybe even after they 

840
00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:33,800
can invent excuses as to why he 
left that are friendly to him. 

841
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,100
That don't take the full context
into play. 

842
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:38,400
But yeah, looking at him or 
romantically? 

843
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:43,700
Lord, Kragen's marched, erased. 
The shame of King torrhen 

844
00:45:43,700 --> 00:45:48,900
kneeling, they both marched 
South with huge arms intent on 

845
00:45:48,900 --> 00:45:52,900
confronting House, Targaryen 
neither actually ended up going 

846
00:45:52,900 --> 00:45:56,000
to war. 
But to be fair, creaking was not

847
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:00,500
exactly confronted by the same 
House Targaryen that aegon. 

848
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:06,400
Had that Senate Orrin had, but 
Optics wise could serve to tell 

849
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:10,300
the story. 
Creegan came he saw he they 

850
00:46:10,300 --> 00:46:14,600
didn't conquer but he wanted to.
He wanted to do what a God did 

851
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,600
he wanted to do more like egg on
than his predecessor Turin? 

852
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,500
He was like yeah. 
Let's go on. 

853
00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:20,100
Let's go. 
Attack. 

854
00:46:20,100 --> 00:46:21,000
Pastor Lee Rock. 
Let's Go. 

855
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,400
Tax forms own and he seemed 
serious. 

856
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:24,800
It didn't seem I'm like, 
Bluster. 

857
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,300
I mean, you might think it was. 
I mean, really who attacks 

858
00:46:28,300 --> 00:46:31,600
casterly Rock and storms end 
without dragons? 

859
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:36,500
Well, this guy apparently, this 
guy he had them convinced and me

860
00:46:36,500 --> 00:46:38,600
too. 
I think I'm convinced even 

861
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:43,700
cited, those who thought a gan. 
The first was mad for thinking, 

862
00:46:43,700 --> 00:46:45,700
he could conquer all Western. 
They're like, you can't do that.

863
00:46:45,700 --> 00:46:47,300
This is mad. 
There's no way you can conquer 

864
00:46:47,300 --> 00:46:49,800
all those boxes. 
Like that's what they said to 

865
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,700
egg on there. 
Like, you don't have Dragons. 

866
00:46:52,700 --> 00:46:54,000
It's like we don't need them 
niether, do they? 

867
00:46:54,008 --> 00:46:57,700
Today, you know, so he wasn't 
hearing when he argued to go to 

868
00:46:57,700 --> 00:47:01,500
war the concerns about. 
Yeah, but a lot of people will 

869
00:47:01,500 --> 00:47:02,900
die, that doesn't move him at 
all. 

870
00:47:02,908 --> 00:47:05,900
He's like so what Justice comes 
first? 

871
00:47:07,900 --> 00:47:10,400
He's like the wars not over. 
Did they bend the knee? 

872
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,500
Did they give back the Crown's 
gold? 

873
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,400
Aren't there still Targaryen 
airs in their possession? 

874
00:47:16,900 --> 00:47:19,700
How can you say the war is over?
The war is over when they bend 

875
00:47:19,700 --> 00:47:26,000
the knee, not when they say they
want peace so that he was able 

876
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,000
to have his way because a had 
this much stronger personality, 

877
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:34,000
be he had all his men there and 
they didn't know yet somewhere 

878
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,100
between eight to twenty 
thousand. 

879
00:47:36,300 --> 00:47:38,800
Quote-unquote Savages, And it's 
funny to think about that. 

880
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,700
We don't see them as Savages, 
but if the South did then that 

881
00:47:41,700 --> 00:47:44,400
intimidates them even more, you 
know, our opinion on that 

882
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,100
doesn't matter. 
It's there as far as how they 

883
00:47:47,100 --> 00:47:52,100
perceived it. 
Northerners were all over King's

884
00:47:52,100 --> 00:47:55,500
Landing and the red keep it's 
never been seen before or since 

885
00:47:55,500 --> 00:47:58,000
so many Northerners, just 
everywhere in the south in the 

886
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,600
capital must have blown Minds. 
Here's a nice lengthy. 

887
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,400
Quote to describe it in their 
mail shirts and Shaggy fur 

888
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,500
cloaks their features hidden 
behind thick Tangles beard. 

889
00:48:09,700 --> 00:48:13,000
They swaggered through the city.
Like so many armored Bears. 

890
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,600
Said, mushroom most of what 
King's Landing New of North 

891
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,100
Bend. 
They had learned from Sarah 

892
00:48:18,100 --> 00:48:20,000
meldrick, manderley, and his 
brother. 

893
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:24,900
They're Turin courtly men, 
well-spoken handsomely, clad 

894
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:29,800
well, disciplined and godly. 
The Winterfell men did not even 

895
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,700
honor the true Gods set to news.
Just notes with horror they 

896
00:48:33,700 --> 00:48:36,500
scorned the seven ignored the 
feast days. 

897
00:48:36,700 --> 00:48:41,600
Mocked the holy books showed no 
reverence to septon for SEPTA 

898
00:48:41,900 --> 00:48:47,300
worshipped, trees two years past
Cragen Stark had made a promise 

899
00:48:47,300 --> 00:48:52,200
to Prince to carries now he Had 
come to make good his pledge 

900
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,900
though Jace and the queen. 
His mother were both dead. 

901
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:01,200
The north remembers Lord Stark 
declared when Prince aegon Lord 

902
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:05,400
corley's and the lads been him. 
Welcome really does something 

903
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,400
for me. 
This hearing him say the north 

904
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,900
remembers. 
I felt that like yeah he's so 

905
00:49:10,900 --> 00:49:13,100
serious. 
He's so intense. 

906
00:49:13,700 --> 00:49:15,900
You explain something in the 
chat me sure. 

907
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,000
Tell magician says, the real 
question is, did Cragen get the 

908
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,600
save for his? 
Eighth-inning appearance and 

909
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,900
guilty. 
Undertaker says if Cragen got 

910
00:49:25,900 --> 00:49:30,000
the save, did the lads get the 
hold or the wind will you? 

911
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,500
I don't get I don't understand. 
Baseball enough to know exactly 

912
00:49:32,500 --> 00:49:33,200
what that means. 
Okay. 

913
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:34,900
So yeah, those are you do know 
that those are baseball? 

914
00:49:34,900 --> 00:49:37,700
Reference's a case. 
So a win is credited to the 

915
00:49:37,700 --> 00:49:41,300
pitcher who had the lead when he
left the game. 

916
00:49:41,300 --> 00:49:43,200
Assuming the lead is held. 
Okay. 

917
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,100
Because they get, they get the 
stack called the win. 

918
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,000
It's usually goes to the guy who
pitches along. 

919
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,000
Yeah. 
But it changes. 

920
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,000
The save is the guy comes in at 
the end. 

921
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:55,100
End and finishes the game holds 
a saves the wind keeps in gland 

922
00:49:55,100 --> 00:49:58,400
and the Pitcher who keeps the 
lead, but doesn't finish the 

923
00:49:58,408 --> 00:50:01,400
game gets a whole crap. 
So this accurate. 

924
00:50:01,500 --> 00:50:02,900
Yeah, that's pretty accurate 
creaking. 

925
00:50:02,900 --> 00:50:05,600
Start came in, got to save for 
the blacks. 

926
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:09,600
Kept, make sure they won Hagan. 
The three was there again? 

927
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,500
The third was there and he held 
me, he made. 

928
00:50:12,500 --> 00:50:14,600
Sure. 
I got the third kept his spot 

929
00:50:15,100 --> 00:50:17,300
nature known overthrew him 
settled. 

930
00:50:17,300 --> 00:50:18,500
It all. 
Yeah, works. 

931
00:50:18,500 --> 00:50:19,900
That works for baseball metaphor
and base. 

932
00:50:20,100 --> 00:50:22,300
Season just restarted on Friday 
or Thursday. 

933
00:50:22,300 --> 00:50:26,800
So it's timely this reinforces 
how much Northern honor was at 

934
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,000
issue. 
It isn't just about the Turin 

935
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,500
stuff. 
I'm sort of inventing that I I'm

936
00:50:31,500 --> 00:50:34,100
assuming it's there, I feel 
strongly about it, the north 

937
00:50:34,100 --> 00:50:37,100
remembers, you know, they've 
this is their attitude, but for 

938
00:50:37,100 --> 00:50:39,200
sure they're remembering the 
promise. 

939
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,000
They made more recently, they 
definitely pledge to rhaenyra. 

940
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,800
They definitely made the deal 
with Jace. 

941
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,000
The pack of Ice. 
And Fire was nickname given to 

942
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,700
it by Monken. 
But whatever name you call it, 

943
00:50:48,700 --> 00:50:53,200
it was a Shreemant and the north
keeps its word that's important 

944
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,800
though. 
I really had a love that quote. 

945
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,400
The armored bears like. 
Yeah. 

946
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,700
So what she leaves. 
Giggles a little kid I couldn't 

947
00:51:00,700 --> 00:51:02,700
help myself. 
Yeah, it's fun to think about 

948
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,800
how they were like, oh, that's 
what in Northern is like the 

949
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,600
manderlys come like, hello. 
We had heard, you know, this 

950
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,400
isn't so bad. 
He's Northerners all right 

951
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,700
there. 
Like oh, those are the Nerf 

952
00:51:12,100 --> 00:51:14,100
herders. 
That's not at all what we 

953
00:51:14,100 --> 00:51:17,600
thought. 
Wow, it gives you an idea of how

954
00:51:17,700 --> 00:51:21,900
little the Northerners hung. 
In the south at least in groups.

955
00:51:21,900 --> 00:51:24,300
You know, a lot of these folk 
hadn't seen, a lot of 

956
00:51:24,300 --> 00:51:26,900
Northerners only seen a couple 
at a time or yeah. 

957
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,000
So he arranged his hand of the 
king and even when Ned did he 

958
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,300
didn't bring near as many men 
with him. 

959
00:51:32,300 --> 00:51:35,100
So he was there probably only 
about as long as Ned was, 

960
00:51:35,100 --> 00:51:38,100
neither of them held that hand 
of the king position for Furlong

961
00:51:39,100 --> 00:51:42,900
unlike Ned Craig and yelled. 
It almost everyone, intimidated.

962
00:51:42,900 --> 00:51:45,600
Almost as many where's Ned was 
soft-spoken. 

963
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,800
He only yelled at like I do 
middle finger and Robert Cregan 

964
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:49,900
sentence. 
Lot of people to death. 

965
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:54,600
Ned did that to most of those 
took the black which Cregan was 

966
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,300
probably cool with because he 
was said to be a friend of the 

967
00:51:56,308 --> 00:51:57,800
watch again. 
So it's Ned. 

968
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:02,000
It's almost hilarious. 
How much the lads who are the 

969
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,700
young Lords of the riverlands. 
It survived the early battles 

970
00:52:05,700 --> 00:52:09,400
and men and became Lord in their
own right due to early deaths 

971
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:14,900
and such the man not the last. 
Yeah, they were he wasn't much 

972
00:52:14,900 --> 00:52:17,600
older than them and he's like I 
said, it's 22 or 23 during this 

973
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:21,100
part. 
They actually fought in the War.

974
00:52:21,700 --> 00:52:27,200
He did like they fought in a 
battle like one of them smashed 

975
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,300
borrows Baratheon in the face 
with a spiked mates, right? 

976
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,900
Black Ali Blackwood shot people 
with arrows, you know, Kraken 

977
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,800
didn't kill anyone, he marched 
his army South, he was handling 

978
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:41,600
winter, you know, which is hard,
but he didn't fight any battles,

979
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:45,700
but they were like, okay, fine, 
you win, you know, because they 

980
00:52:45,700 --> 00:52:48,600
were intimidated by him. 
So that's really that says a 

981
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:50,500
lot. 
Like this guy who hadn't fought 

982
00:52:50,500 --> 00:52:53,300
in a in any of the battles War. 
Now, he had fought apparently. 

983
00:52:54,700 --> 00:52:57,400
Overthrow his own Uncle. 
Although even that may not have 

984
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:01,400
been War either way, it's a 
great statement on just how 

985
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:06,200
intimidating and forthright and 
just prominent he was and he 

986
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,300
played on not on like scaring 
them. 

987
00:53:09,300 --> 00:53:10,900
He wasn't like, I'm going to 
kill you. 

988
00:53:10,900 --> 00:53:15,400
He was just hammered away at 
what their own values are 

989
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,400
supposed to be like that stuff. 
I said before, regarding, how 

990
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,700
can you say the war is over? 
They still have the Crown's 

991
00:53:21,700 --> 00:53:24,300
money. 
They still have princesses. 

992
00:53:24,500 --> 00:53:27,300
And other people that have 
committed crimes, that have not 

993
00:53:27,300 --> 00:53:29,500
answered for you. 
Can't call it over like your 

994
00:53:29,500 --> 00:53:31,200
honor demands that you keep 
going. 

995
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,600
You won one battle and you want 
to say, you're done. 

996
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,800
What is that? 
So they couldn't argue with that

997
00:53:37,100 --> 00:53:40,000
because he's right. 
I mean and I don't mean right 

998
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,900
like from a cosmic perspective I
mean he's right by the values 

999
00:53:43,900 --> 00:53:46,400
that they all commonly 
professed, a hold. 

1000
00:53:46,900 --> 00:53:50,500
So you basically just a really 
good lawyer, you know, you told 

1001
00:53:50,500 --> 00:53:54,000
them like look, guys, you've 
already said you already agreed 

1002
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:54,800
with this. 
Before. 

1003
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,400
Why aren't you fulfilling it and
so they, yeah. 

1004
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:01,700
They had to go with it. 
Hang on the third though, on the

1005
00:54:01,700 --> 00:54:03,900
other hand, treated him very 
differently. 

1006
00:54:03,900 --> 00:54:08,700
He didn't apparently come down 
heavily on him, he wasn't 

1007
00:54:08,700 --> 00:54:11,300
aggressive with him, apparently 
they got along, it may have 

1008
00:54:11,300 --> 00:54:14,100
been, yeah, it gives off some 
Ned. 

1009
00:54:14,100 --> 00:54:17,900
Brandon Barnes, net brand like 
his son, bran because well 

1010
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,500
Brands the only of his sons that
we see him have intimate moments

1011
00:54:22,500 --> 00:54:24,800
with. 
We see a little with Aria and 

1012
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,000
love with Sansa with Ned and a 
little with bran. 

1013
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,900
We don't ever seen Ed really 
have a moment Rob, or with 

1014
00:54:30,100 --> 00:54:33,200
reckon or even really with John.
He did with John on TV, but not 

1015
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,900
on the books. 
We're told aegon took to crack 

1016
00:54:36,900 --> 00:54:39,800
and he liked him, maybe having 
this strong. 

1017
00:54:41,100 --> 00:54:44,100
Presence who wasn't trying to 
get things out of him. 

1018
00:54:44,500 --> 00:54:48,600
He wasn't trying to exploit egg 
on, he wasn't trying to get 

1019
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:53,000
honors and titles from him, 
which egg on I think was aware 

1020
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,800
of from from very early life. 
He was surrounded by hangers-on 

1021
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,600
people, who were ambitious 
people, the period of Regency 

1022
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,400
was terrible, right? 
The whole secret Siege and all 

1023
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,700
that business. 
So he was probably very weary 

1024
00:55:05,700 --> 00:55:09,400
this from very early on and may 
have respected Cragen or not 

1025
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,900
trying to do that for having a 
For an approach to everything 

1026
00:55:11,900 --> 00:55:16,600
more about settling the war more
focused on ending the conflict 

1027
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,400
and setting, the realm back up, 
rather than what can I get out 

1028
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,800
of this, which is how a lot of 
the Lord's were treating. 

1029
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,300
What can I get Adams? 
The Unwin Peaks, but even Turin 

1030
00:55:25,300 --> 00:55:30,000
manderley, yeah, some more than 
others, especially Peak, but 

1031
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,600
really friggin Stark just came 
in and I don't even seemed 

1032
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:38,700
refreshing, but they're still 
fear and xenophobia and play, 

1033
00:55:38,700 --> 00:55:40,800
maybe even a bag on the third 
didn't hold. 

1034
00:55:40,900 --> 00:55:45,400
Those views, he wasn't afraid or
intimidated or prejudiced 

1035
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:49,300
against Northern culture. 
It had been a long time, since 

1036
00:55:49,300 --> 00:55:51,800
any Northern Army had come, 
South and had been seen because 

1037
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:55,000
the rather Winters wolves never 
like went into a city, they were

1038
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,600
out in battles and such and sure
other soldiers encountered them.

1039
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,200
But they weren't like walking 
around the streets of King's 

1040
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,900
Landing. 
They fought and died out in 

1041
00:56:03,500 --> 00:56:07,300
fields, and streams of the 
riverlands and the reach. 

1042
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,300
So, there were a lot of rumors 
about wood. 

1043
00:56:10,300 --> 00:56:15,000
Creaking might do mix, these 
rumors with having his army and 

1044
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,600
Northern ambition and not 
understanding Northern values. 

1045
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,900
The way we do. 
And what you get is, a lot of 

1046
00:56:19,900 --> 00:56:21,800
Southerners who were worried 
about, what is this guy going to

1047
00:56:21,808 --> 00:56:23,300
do? 
Is he going to take over as you 

1048
00:56:23,300 --> 00:56:25,600
can install himself? 
And what did I say before about 

1049
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,000
waiting till the war was 
basically over before he marched

1050
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:30,700
South and how that looks real 
Tywin s. 

1051
00:56:30,700 --> 00:56:32,200
So you can see why they were 
worried. 

1052
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,600
There was no sack. 
Like I said, like there was with

1053
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,200
Tywin but people might have been
worried that there would be they

1054
00:56:37,207 --> 00:56:39,100
might have been worried that any
minute he Ambitious, 

1055
00:56:39,100 --> 00:56:41,100
Northerners, if he doesn't get 
what he wants and what would 

1056
00:56:41,100 --> 00:56:44,200
they be able to do about it? 
Nothing Ron made me. 

1057
00:56:44,300 --> 00:56:45,600
Hide me. 
It's about it. 

1058
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,700
And there's people that might 
start such rumors. 

1059
00:56:48,100 --> 00:56:51,300
That might fuel such rumors that
fan, the Flames of such like a 

1060
00:56:51,308 --> 00:56:54,600
lhari strong, for example, but 
not particularly him because he 

1061
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,600
was locked up spoink Reagan, put
him right in jail. 

1062
00:56:57,900 --> 00:57:01,800
How long is he staying? 
It was like okay, you know, 

1063
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,900
you're one of the biggest 
problems there is. 

1064
00:57:04,900 --> 00:57:10,100
Peace us that out right away 
now, Maybe Lori's had agents out

1065
00:57:10,100 --> 00:57:13,300
in the field work on his behalf,
but I kind of think it was rats 

1066
00:57:13,300 --> 00:57:15,600
fleeing a sinking ship kind of 
situation here. 

1067
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:17,400
Yeah, emphasis on the rats, are 
ya. 

1068
00:57:21,100 --> 00:57:25,400
Lads had been talked into 
marching with Greg and storms 

1069
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,700
end, and perhaps Beyond, and 
kriging again had imprisoned, 

1070
00:57:28,700 --> 00:57:30,900
those two, this he's making 
large strong and many others, 

1071
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:35,600
but things were resolved with 
diplomacy quote. 

1072
00:57:35,900 --> 00:57:39,200
The great Lords would have given
us another two years of war, the

1073
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:43,000
fool declares in his testimony. 
It was the women who made the 

1074
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,300
piece lack a lie. 
The maiden of The Veil, The 

1075
00:57:46,300 --> 00:57:50,100
Three widows, the dragon twins. 
Was Ben who brought the 

1076
00:57:50,100 --> 00:57:52,800
bloodshed? 
It end and not with swords are 

1077
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:58,800
poison, but with Ravens words 
and kisses, so great and didn't 

1078
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:00,900
even seem to have the diplomacy 
mindset. 

1079
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:04,100
It wasn't that he wasn't willing
to accept diplomacy. 

1080
00:58:04,300 --> 00:58:07,000
He wasn't really willing to ask 
like he was like yeah, let's 

1081
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,400
send them a message that. 
Hey if you bend the knee will be

1082
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,000
done with it. 
Seems like no let's just march 

1083
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,200
on them. 
If they bend the knee then okay,

1084
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,200
fine. 
But screw this letter writing 

1085
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,100
stuff, right. 
But others were like now, 

1086
00:58:18,100 --> 00:58:20,700
letters, workmanlike letters can
do a lot. 

1087
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:22,300
Lot. 
So let's let's try this. 

1088
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,800
And the reason women are crowded
with piece here, despite the sea

1089
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,000
snake being the one to extend. 
All these offers is actually 

1090
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,500
pretty straightforward. 
First of all, most of the offers

1091
00:58:30,500 --> 00:58:33,700
were accepted by ladies ruling 
in place of their dead 

1092
00:58:33,700 --> 00:58:35,000
husband's. 
Because a lot of us husbands 

1093
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,800
died in the dance. 
And a lot of these ladies were 

1094
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:41,200
protecting the interest of their
firstborn son, who was now the 

1095
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:45,200
Lord, but is too young to rule 
correctly because they're a 

1096
00:58:45,207 --> 00:58:47,900
child. 
So they're protecting the 

1097
00:58:47,900 --> 00:58:50,700
interests of this of their son 
who probably won't send. 

1098
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,800
For eight or 10 years or a 
couple of years, why would they 

1099
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,300
want to keep fighting? 
They're looking out for their 

1100
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,600
future, their house and their 
son or rest their family as 

1101
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,500
well. 
Milady the veil was mentioned, 

1102
00:59:02,500 --> 00:59:04,600
they're made in the veils or 
other name. 

1103
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,600
She had been in charge, since 
prior to the war had been a 

1104
00:59:06,607 --> 00:59:09,700
staunch allies to. 
She was right there with her men

1105
00:59:09,700 --> 00:59:12,200
in the fighting will not 
literally, she sent her man, and

1106
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:13,900
then was right there to help 
peace. 

1107
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,400
The three. 
Widows for exactly who the three

1108
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,100
widows are. 
One of them is Johanna 

1109
00:59:18,100 --> 00:59:20,000
westerling. 
I forget who the other two are. 

1110
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,700
The dragon twins are bailing 
Reina and Bay and Reina had 

1111
00:59:23,700 --> 00:59:26,700
morning. 
Her Dragon, who was a pink? 

1112
00:59:26,900 --> 00:59:28,200
Yeah. 
There's two Bad Dragon. 

1113
00:59:28,300 --> 00:59:30,200
Yeah, that you were Samantha 
tarly and A lender. 

1114
00:59:30,300 --> 00:59:31,700
Baratheon. 
Yeah, that's right. 

1115
00:59:31,700 --> 00:59:34,300
That's right. 
Well, Sam Carly, Sam Carly of 

1116
00:59:34,300 --> 00:59:38,000
course and Atlanta. 
It was the, I guess the wife of 

1117
00:59:38,100 --> 00:59:39,300
Boris. 
Oh yeah. 

1118
00:59:39,300 --> 00:59:42,100
That was one of the well, that 
was one of the wild like her 

1119
00:59:42,100 --> 00:59:44,700
first husband was boros and then
she married Stephen connington 

1120
00:59:44,700 --> 00:59:46,400
when she woke up without twice 
over maybe, I don't know. 

1121
00:59:46,700 --> 00:59:49,900
But yeah, that was the mother of
like all those Baratheon girls 

1122
00:59:49,900 --> 00:59:53,300
that like a minute, you know, 
Marys and Flores and Ellen and 

1123
00:59:53,300 --> 00:59:53,900
all them. 
Yeah. 

1124
00:59:53,900 --> 00:59:56,100
Right on Mama. 
Yeah. 

1125
00:59:56,100 --> 00:59:58,800
So that was huge. 
They're all like you foolish 

1126
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:00,200
men. 
Of course we're done with this. 

1127
01:00:00,900 --> 01:00:02,500
Let's finally be doing this 
work. 

1128
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:06,200
And so Rana was really important
because the dragons were mostly 

1129
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:07,900
dead, there were still a few 
left, but none of them were 

1130
01:00:07,900 --> 01:00:10,100
really being controlled by 
anyone. 

1131
01:00:10,100 --> 01:00:13,300
So right. 
A having one looked important 

1132
01:00:13,300 --> 01:00:15,600
because it appeared as though 
that would eventually be an 

1133
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,600
adult and some Targaryen power 
be restored. 

1134
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,100
There's a Reina was a pretty big
deal and she was one of the ones

1135
01:00:21,100 --> 01:00:25,700
pushing for peace. 
Now, Raina, of course, was more 

1136
01:00:25,700 --> 01:00:29,900
of the softer personality, more 
diplomatic courtly. 

1137
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:37,600
Meanwhile Bela was aggressive 
and Wilder and that proved 

1138
01:00:37,700 --> 01:00:41,000
useful because cracking 
responded to that like Bela got 

1139
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:46,100
mad. 
And yeah, here's where it one of

1140
01:00:46,100 --> 01:00:48,000
the pieces of evidence that he 
has a soft spot for women. 

1141
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:52,500
Here's a one-liner not even the 
tears of a dragon could melt the

1142
01:00:52,500 --> 01:00:56,000
frozen heart of Cragen Stark. 
Men said rightly. 

1143
01:00:56,000 --> 01:01:00,100
Yeah, Reina had moved a lot of 
people but not Craig it but Bela

1144
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:04,800
she grabbed her sword and 
protested, the execution of men 

1145
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,800
that set her free. 
She's like look, yeah, they 

1146
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:12,300
murdered the guards to get me 
out, but they were on the right 

1147
01:01:12,300 --> 01:01:16,900
side and I will not stand for 
you executing. 

1148
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:19,400
And she just waving her story 
around in court that you grabbed

1149
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:22,300
off a guard and Krakens like, I 
like you. 

1150
01:01:23,900 --> 01:01:26,600
Okay. 
So he has a soft spot for hard 

1151
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:30,600
women, apparently, and so he's 
Okay, if you like those dogs so 

1152
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:35,200
much, you can keep them. 
So, just like that her display 

1153
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:38,500
of Bravery in the face of all, 
this was what moved him, 

1154
01:01:38,500 --> 01:01:40,200
apparently. 
I'm according to the maesters 

1155
01:01:40,300 --> 01:01:43,200
according to sources. 
I mean, and mushroom, the 

1156
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:46,300
maesters, the, the septons and 
the mushrooms. 

1157
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:51,000
So ultimately, the women didn't 
convince Cregan, they convinced 

1158
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:56,700
egg on the king but a gun wasn't
of age yet still Cregan didn't 

1159
01:01:56,700 --> 01:02:00,400
overrule him. 
He Kept it, what the young king 

1160
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:03,500
said, even though he didn't have
to know crazy. 

1161
01:02:03,500 --> 01:02:06,400
Like, no, I'm hands. 
You're under 16. 

1162
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:11,200
We're doing what I say that 
again, probably helps. 

1163
01:02:12,300 --> 01:02:16,000
Keep their relationship strong, 
you respected the king and later

1164
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:16,900
their relationship would be 
good. 

1165
01:02:16,900 --> 01:02:19,600
Even when Craig was back in the 
north and a gun was rolling his 

1166
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:22,500
own, right? 
I paid off anyway, here's a 

1167
01:02:22,500 --> 01:02:26,800
quote relating to that a new war
would not have this made him 

1168
01:02:27,100 --> 01:02:31,200
indeed, at times, he seemed to 
seek it, it is mushroom. 

1169
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:35,000
Who provides the most Lucid 
explanation for this surprising 

1170
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,400
leniency in The Wolf of 
Winterfell. 

1171
01:02:38,100 --> 01:02:41,800
It was not the prince who swayed
him, the full claims nor the 

1172
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:46,000
Threat of the Valerian fleets 
nor even the entreaties of the 

1173
01:02:46,008 --> 01:02:49,500
twins. 
But rather a bargain struck with

1174
01:02:49,500 --> 01:02:52,100
Lady Alice Ann of house 
Blackwood. 

1175
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:55,600
Now she is putting on screen 
some artwork. 

1176
01:02:55,800 --> 01:03:00,100
Yeah there's Cragen Stark and 
black Ali Blackwood by name. 

1177
01:03:00,100 --> 01:03:01,500
He makes art. 
He makes art. 

1178
01:03:01,500 --> 01:03:04,200
We see those those dark grey 
eyes. 

1179
01:03:04,500 --> 01:03:07,900
Yeah. 
Naomi does make our quite well 

1180
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:12,200
the full conversation between 
them and Fire and Blood is Be 

1181
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:13,700
fun, it's too long to go through
all of it. 

1182
01:03:13,700 --> 01:03:16,900
It's one of the more substantial
conversations in the entire 

1183
01:03:16,900 --> 01:03:18,900
book. 
Usually don't get that much back

1184
01:03:18,900 --> 01:03:22,300
and forth, usually just like a 
line and then a response, then 

1185
01:03:22,300 --> 01:03:24,000
that's it. 
But this is several back and 

1186
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:25,600
force. 
So he steers her towards 

1187
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:29,300
accepting marriage in exchange 
for peace and mushrooms suggest.

1188
01:03:29,300 --> 01:03:30,700
That's what she wanted all 
along. 

1189
01:03:30,700 --> 01:03:35,000
I mean, as if she saw an amazing
win win situation, which it is, 

1190
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,800
it's like, for her. 
It's what it looks like. 

1191
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:42,000
Peace for the realm and I marry 
the young Lord of Winterfell. 

1192
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:45,400
Like that is win-win but not 
just for hers, win-win-win 

1193
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,800
Winterfell. 
Yeah, other things like besides 

1194
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:52,000
preventing War, which alone is 
massive, the marriage to 

1195
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,400
creegan, which is huge. 
The removal of the stain on our 

1196
01:03:55,408 --> 01:03:56,600
honor with regard to torrhen 
Stark. 

1197
01:03:56,600 --> 01:04:01,000
They had came and done that many
join the Nights Watch because 

1198
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:04,400
when it came time to do the 
executions friggin wasn't 

1199
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:07,900
backing down on that, many of 
them were like hey Nights, Watch

1200
01:04:08,100 --> 01:04:09,300
Nights. 
Watch will join the Nights, 

1201
01:04:09,300 --> 01:04:11,800
Watch and Megan's like okay, 
cool. 

1202
01:04:12,100 --> 01:04:13,900
Saves me. 
A swing of my sword. 

1203
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,400
The sea snake got off as well 
because Callie one. 

1204
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:20,600
Yeah, he got off. 
Yeah he got because black Ali 

1205
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:22,800
said he needs to be free as part
of this. 

1206
01:04:23,100 --> 01:04:25,200
So he agreed to that. 
As part of the peace deal Lori's

1207
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:29,600
however was executed and he did 
not go to the wall, he opted not

1208
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:32,300
to go to the wall, but he also 
asked for his foot to come off 

1209
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:35,600
after his head. 
That's the whole weird story, 

1210
01:04:36,500 --> 01:04:38,500
but there were a lot of 
Northerners. 

1211
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:42,400
There's who came sell expecting 
to die and going Wasn't 

1212
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:43,400
appealing. 
Why? 

1213
01:04:43,500 --> 01:04:48,200
Well, quote, the Snows were 
already deep beyond the net. 

1214
01:04:48,500 --> 01:04:52,200
The cold winds are rising and 
keep sand castles and humble 

1215
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:56,400
Villages throughout the north, 
the Great and Small alike prayed

1216
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:58,800
to their carved. 
Wooden God, trees. 

1217
01:04:58,900 --> 01:05:02,900
That this winter might be sure. 
He'll only put that carved 

1218
01:05:02,900 --> 01:05:04,300
wooden. 
God trees. 

1219
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,400
The prejudice against 
northerner, Northern believes in

1220
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:10,500
Fire, and Blood is just so 
strong like like prey to their 

1221
01:05:10,500 --> 01:05:12,500
dead idols. 
Zuv P. 

1222
01:05:12,500 --> 01:05:14,100
I'm just like big like what do 
they talk about the faith of the

1223
01:05:14,100 --> 01:05:17,500
seven like that? 
Like they're lifeless statues. 

1224
01:05:17,900 --> 01:05:20,900
So they would put it probably 
lifeless statues and these 

1225
01:05:21,500 --> 01:05:25,900
inanimate objects inanimate 
objects that we have humanized 

1226
01:05:26,300 --> 01:05:29,200
many different versions. 
Yes, each one has seven 

1227
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:30,700
personalities or beyond that, 
even. 

1228
01:05:30,700 --> 01:05:32,200
Yeah, the other one is, what is 
it? 

1229
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:34,400
What did you used to say about 
saris know? 

1230
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:38,000
He's like, there's no way that 
he's the prince gave up his 

1231
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:41,900
virtue to unwashed Northern 
Savage, half-wild unwashed like 

1232
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:46,000
Yeah. 
How do you know she's unwashed 

1233
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,100
man? 
Like even the half wild part is 

1234
01:05:48,100 --> 01:05:51,100
just ask is a stretch, like you 
don't even think she exists yet.

1235
01:05:51,100 --> 01:05:56,000
Your prospering, she's unwashed.
I got that's like my go-to 

1236
01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:01,100
example of prejudices. 
I washed the second was, he's 

1237
01:06:01,100 --> 01:06:04,600
Define prejudice for me. 
It's when it's when you syscall 

1238
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:06,600
Sarasota. 
Okay. 

1239
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:10,400
But it is still relevant. 
The reason that prejudice is 

1240
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,600
important is because yeah a lot 
of other people Would feel like 

1241
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:14,900
Eustace a lot of this. 
The he's not the only prejudiced

1242
01:06:14,900 --> 01:06:17,500
Southerner against Northerners. 
We have to think that a lot of 

1243
01:06:17,500 --> 01:06:22,600
others felt that way, but on the
other hand, many widowed River, 

1244
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:24,300
Landers, obviously I'm referring
to women. 

1245
01:06:24,300 --> 01:06:27,700
As I said widowed are like, 
well, what do I do now? 

1246
01:06:27,700 --> 01:06:31,400
Like the riverlands as so often 
happens in a civil war gets 

1247
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:35,700
shredded by battles and armies 
passing through and the horses, 

1248
01:06:35,700 --> 01:06:38,800
eating all their grass and the 
soldiers eating all their food. 

1249
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:42,100
And Pilfering their Villages or 
worse. 

1250
01:06:42,500 --> 01:06:49,100
So this was the natural solution
all those Northern Warriors who 

1251
01:06:49,100 --> 01:06:52,000
expected to die. 
Well, why not? 

1252
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,800
Stay a new lease on life, a 
life? 

1253
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:56,900
No, unexpected. 
Hey, you could live in the 

1254
01:06:56,900 --> 01:07:00,200
riverlands where it's warmer you
could have land, you could have 

1255
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:06,900
a wife, you might actually take 
over bothering of the Widow's 

1256
01:07:06,900 --> 01:07:08,900
children. 
You might, you might have like a

1257
01:07:08,900 --> 01:07:10,600
real purpose. 
Life here. 

1258
01:07:11,300 --> 01:07:13,800
So that's what a reversal for 
these individuals. 

1259
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:15,500
They're like, all right, I'm 
going to go to the South and Dot

1260
01:07:15,500 --> 01:07:20,300
like Reagan said To the lads and
they're like, your men are going

1261
01:07:20,300 --> 01:07:23,200
to die and these was like they 
died the moment, they marched, 

1262
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:25,200
South boy, you know what he's 
saying? 

1263
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:27,100
Boy to someone who's like four 
years younger than him. 

1264
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:32,200
What a reversal like they think 
they're going to die. 

1265
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:33,900
They're expecting it. 
It's almost like they're looking

1266
01:07:33,900 --> 01:07:35,800
forward to it in some strange 
way. 

1267
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:38,500
But now, all of a sudden, 
they're like, well actually stay

1268
01:07:38,500 --> 01:07:39,900
here do this. 
Now, of course, there were also,

1269
01:07:39,900 --> 01:07:41,800
there were more sellsword 
companies formed as well because

1270
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:47,800
not everyone wanted this life of
meaning in living with a person 

1271
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:51,500
and raising a family, that's not
what everyone wants but plenty 

1272
01:07:51,500 --> 01:07:54,500
of people accepted that offer 
like a thousand men or more and 

1273
01:07:54,500 --> 01:07:58,200
that really helped set up the 
future north-south connection or

1274
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:01,400
at least riverlands North. 
In that comes along and Song of 

1275
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:03,100
Ice and Fire. 
It's already sort of been there.

1276
01:08:03,100 --> 01:08:05,700
I mean, you've got houses, like,
Blackwood that already the old 

1277
01:08:05,700 --> 01:08:09,300
gods and hey, the North, and the
riverlands our neighbor. 

1278
01:08:09,300 --> 01:08:11,500
So, yeah, a lot of stuff that 
makes sense. 

1279
01:08:11,500 --> 01:08:15,300
They're so black alley and 
creegan departed, King's Landing

1280
01:08:15,300 --> 01:08:17,800
for the north ditto for Creek 
and he had a new lease on life 

1281
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,100
when he didn't expect. 
He didn't expect to find a bride

1282
01:08:20,100 --> 01:08:23,700
in the South. 
Well, maybe he did, but nothing 

1283
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:27,600
overtly suggest that I do. 
Imagine he wanted to remarry. 

1284
01:08:28,300 --> 01:08:30,500
Although, at this point, He had 
a son. 

1285
01:08:30,500 --> 01:08:33,500
He had an air though that would 
change eventually as well. 

1286
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:38,200
He was offered a place amongst 
the Regency, but decline, which 

1287
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:42,399
may have finally put to rest 
some of the talk that he was out

1288
01:08:42,399 --> 01:08:45,600
in this for himself and for 
ambition, probably didn't put 

1289
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:49,399
that to rest entirely but it was
a big push back against anyone 

1290
01:08:49,399 --> 01:08:52,700
who thought he intended to stay 
because he did, he left and he 

1291
01:08:52,700 --> 01:08:54,800
took his men with it. 
Well, except for the ones who 

1292
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:58,399
migrated to the riverlands. 
But those were individuals 

1293
01:08:58,399 --> 01:09:02,100
settling in single plots here. 
And there there were no longer 

1294
01:09:02,100 --> 01:09:05,500
an army. 
So kind of an underrated move 

1295
01:09:05,500 --> 01:09:07,800
there. 
He was succeeded, as Hand by 

1296
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:10,300
Thailand Lannister. 
By the way, the hooded hand 

1297
01:09:10,399 --> 01:09:13,899
Jason's brother who survived the
war, but the Lannister twins 

1298
01:09:13,899 --> 01:09:16,000
been on the council. 
Yeah, that's right. 

1299
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:21,200
So he made it through as well. 
All right, let's take a quick 

1300
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:22,800
break here. 
Hmm. 

1301
01:09:22,899 --> 01:09:25,500
Here's a funny thing. 
I found in the suspect Martin 

1302
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:27,399
looking up stuff about the Crips
and things. 

1303
01:09:27,399 --> 01:09:30,100
As a question, George was asked 
in 1999. 

1304
01:09:30,100 --> 01:09:34,700
January 3rd, 1999. 
Now, this is the caveat here. 

1305
01:09:35,700 --> 01:09:38,700
The wording comes from. 
The person people who took this 

1306
01:09:38,700 --> 01:09:41,500
information down, it doesn't 
necessarily George's exact 

1307
01:09:41,500 --> 01:09:45,300
wording, but the gist here are 
not alone is pretty important. 

1308
01:09:45,700 --> 01:09:48,800
So the guy reading. 
Yeah, you got to read it after 

1309
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:52,399
rereading both a got and a cock.
I was wondering about one 

1310
01:09:52,399 --> 01:09:55,900
question. 
Why was Hodor not afraid of the 

1311
01:09:55,900 --> 01:09:58,800
Crips under Winterfell? 
At the end of a Clash of Kings? 

1312
01:09:59,100 --> 01:10:02,400
Any Game of Thrones Hodor was 
very afraid of the crits. 

1313
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:05,200
He wouldn't take Brian down 
there but in the class, A shove 

1314
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:08,600
Kings, he stayed with bran and 
rickon in the Crypt, for quite a

1315
01:10:08,608 --> 01:10:11,100
while. 
How did he stay there if he was.

1316
01:10:11,100 --> 01:10:15,900
So afraid in the answer, from 
George Hodor was only afraid of 

1317
01:10:15,900 --> 01:10:22,300
the Crips at that specific time,
not before and not after, oh, 

1318
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:27,300
there he telling Sodor sense, 
something down there and it may 

1319
01:10:27,300 --> 01:10:30,300
have been, you know, the coming 
the foreshadowing for Ned death 

1320
01:10:30,900 --> 01:10:34,600
or something else. 
Really cool. 

1321
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:41,100
When of your green stones asks 
might be a question for the end,

1322
01:10:41,100 --> 01:10:43,400
but who is your fan cast actor 
for creaking Stark? 

1323
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:46,700
He's Liam Neeson in my head. 
I mean I can see Liam Neeson for

1324
01:10:46,708 --> 01:10:49,900
the old man old old. 
Yeah but you know like middle 

1325
01:10:49,900 --> 01:10:52,800
raise the age that I think. 
A lot of people picture Cragen 

1326
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:56,900
starcat, I do like as there's a 
conversation about in the chat. 

1327
01:10:56,900 --> 01:10:59,700
I like how old you picture him 
or how old you picture people 

1328
01:10:59,700 --> 01:11:01,400
like dunk or any of these 
characters because like, they 

1329
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:04,400
live a long love whole long 
life, you know, your vision of 

1330
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:07,100
them could be a lot of different
ages, I personally, Adieu 

1331
01:11:07,100 --> 01:11:11,000
picture, 22 year-old Cragen and 
I want an unknown. 

1332
01:11:11,300 --> 01:11:13,600
If you've listened to the 
podcast long enough, you know, 

1333
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:16,400
that's always my answer. 
Should these Fan cast questions?

1334
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:18,200
Give me someone. 
I don't know very well. 

1335
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:21,600
Yeah, I think I prefer an 
unknown as well, and your right 

1336
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:23,600
is going to be someone Young's. 
It's more likely to be an 

1337
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:24,900
unknown. 
Yeah. 

1338
01:11:24,900 --> 01:11:28,000
Someone with less of a career 
less time to have established a 

1339
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,200
career. 
Let alone, something big, you 

1340
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:33,600
know, I want someone from the 
last Kingdom just for more last 

1341
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:35,600
Kingdom house there. 
I can cross overs. 

1342
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:38,100
We've got like Elena. 
Got a men and a million other 

1343
01:11:38,100 --> 01:11:39,400
people. 
I would have faith, but uh, if 

1344
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:41,800
they give it, put a beard on the
guy who played The Last King 

1345
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:43,600
there Edward. 
He was probably, yes, he's II. 

1346
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:46,300
Where's I think? 
Like, if the actors like 

1347
01:11:46,300 --> 01:11:48,600
neutered wasn't so much older 
than he is now but like, a, you 

1348
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:51,200
know, one here, the beginning of
that show, like I see him so 

1349
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:54,100
Stark, why? 
Okay, let's see who tread, but 

1350
01:11:54,100 --> 01:11:56,100
not anymore. 
Now, he needs to be a lot. 

1351
01:11:56,100 --> 01:11:58,100
You like a decade or more 
younger than? 

1352
01:11:58,100 --> 01:11:58,600
Yes. 
Yes. 

1353
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:00,400
Is Alexander Gammon have a 
younger brother or? 

1354
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:02,900
Yeah, that's his name. 
Alexander drain, dips son. 

1355
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:08,100
I like that called. 
Yeah Guinevere Liam Neeson for 

1356
01:12:08,100 --> 01:12:10,700
for a middle-aged, freaking that
would work quite well. 

1357
01:12:10,700 --> 01:12:14,500
He's got that intensity and he's
got that Charisma and and 

1358
01:12:14,500 --> 01:12:16,900
dominate. 
All right, friends, we are 

1359
01:12:16,900 --> 01:12:20,900
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1360
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1361
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1362
01:12:28,900 --> 01:12:32,400
We, of course, have sponsors 
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1363
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:35,100
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They're inconsistent the 

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01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:37,200
Landscape is constantly 
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1365
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:40,500
It's like the wild west of as 
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1366
01:12:40,500 --> 01:12:42,500
goes. 
Never can predict what's going 

1367
01:12:42,500 --> 01:12:45,000
to happen. 
We've had to move several times.

1368
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:46,600
You know, it's we ride the 
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01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:49,500
As they take us, we're one 
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1370
01:12:49,900 --> 01:12:52,000
We gotta go the way, the 
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1371
01:12:52,500 --> 01:12:54,400
So we've had some really nice 
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1372
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:56,200
right now, we find ourselves 
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1373
01:12:56,300 --> 01:12:58,000
That's so we went for having a 
lot. 

1374
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:01,000
So a little is something that we
did it, just the random nature 

1375
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:03,300
of the Beast. 
I'm sure we'll have some Morgan 

1376
01:13:03,300 --> 01:13:07,800
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This is a good time for that. 
We have plenty to offer you in 

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return occasional shoutouts at 
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1381
01:13:20,900 --> 01:13:24,300
Episodes is always the biggest 
one and a Shea and Sean, and I 

1382
01:13:24,300 --> 01:13:28,900
have been mulling over some 
changes and things we can do to 

1383
01:13:28,900 --> 01:13:31,500
add additional benefits. 
Yeah, we can't, he's one of 

1384
01:13:31,500 --> 01:13:32,900
them. 
We're going to have like some 

1385
01:13:32,900 --> 01:13:35,000
monthly trivia and jackbox I 
quit. 

1386
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:39,600
Flash games just like a hangout.
So we'll have that for one so if

1387
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:42,900
you sign up now you'll you know 
be invited to that when it 

1388
01:13:42,900 --> 01:13:44,000
starts. 
Yeah. 

1389
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:47,400
You also get access to a che as 
episode searching tool which is 

1390
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:49,700
really useful. 
The larger our catalog gets the 

1391
01:13:49,700 --> 01:13:53,300
harder it is to sincerely find 
the episode you're looking for 

1392
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:55,700
because I don't feel like I 
really want to watch all the 

1393
01:13:55,700 --> 01:13:57,500
episodes with Nina with good 
Queen Ally. 

1394
01:13:57,500 --> 01:14:00,000
For example with the opposite 
search or you can just click on 

1395
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:02,900
the Nina guest title and see all
the episodes with her and then 

1396
01:14:02,900 --> 01:14:04,400
click the links. 
It will take you to it on 

1397
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:05,800
Spotify. 
On YouTube. 

1398
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:09,000
So if you listen to it on 
podcast or on video, there's a 

1399
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:11,300
direct link to them both and so 
that's just one way you could 

1400
01:14:11,300 --> 01:14:13,200
use it ventually. 
Heck, I use that. 

1401
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:15,800
Like for example, Joe magician. 
Shout out to my buddy and 

1402
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:19,400
hopefully still in the chat. 
There were next time we have him

1403
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:21,600
on them to be like I'm going to 
use the episode Searcher to 

1404
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:23,000
romantical. 
How many episodes Community been

1405
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:24,400
on several. 
I can't remember. 

1406
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:27,500
I'm actually off top my head. 
I would use that to figure out 

1407
01:14:27,500 --> 01:14:29,400
which ones he was in and hey, 
that's a good call. 

1408
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:32,000
Clue to any of y'all. 
If you want your Joe magician 

1409
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,900
fix, you can check out the ones 
he's been on with us. 

1410
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:37,400
Or just head over to his channel
and watch his direct content 

1411
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:38,500
that works too. 
He is. 

1412
01:14:38,500 --> 01:14:41,700
But I am so curious to find this
out and I am going to see 

1413
01:14:41,700 --> 01:14:45,500
exactly how many he's been I'm 
gonna guess for four episodes. 

1414
01:14:45,500 --> 01:14:48,200
Joe magician has been on. 
Yeah okay. 

1415
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:54,100
I think you've way undersold it.
He's been on 777 but I don't 

1416
01:14:54,100 --> 01:14:57,100
know if I'm I don't think we've 
had him on since I think I've 

1417
01:14:57,100 --> 01:14:58,600
kept it up. 
Don't leave had a month since 

1418
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:01,400
House of the Dragon. 
No we haven't yapping. 

1419
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:04,300
So yeah seven episodes he's been
on one of which was our 

1420
01:15:04,300 --> 01:15:07,600
multiplayer Crusader Kings 
strange. 

1421
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:09,000
I didn't count that one. 
Yeah, I like that one. 

1422
01:15:09,500 --> 01:15:13,800
Quite the same, but we did do a 
game stream with him one time. 

1423
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:15,600
Okay, I wouldn't have kind of 
that was. 

1424
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:18,200
I will say the romance was sick.
So I was, I was, I sold it short

1425
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:20,400
by a full thirty three percent. 
How's your guess? 

1426
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:22,200
Oh. 
Geez IDK like 60. 

1427
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:26,500
He was right. 
Whoa, he knew you actually 

1428
01:15:26,500 --> 01:15:28,300
didn't know he's dead. 
I was like, no, you were right 

1429
01:15:28,300 --> 01:15:30,300
unless you count. 
I count the game stream because 

1430
01:15:30,300 --> 01:15:31,900
it's on our Channel. 
You could watch it. 

1431
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:32,900
Yeah you could. 
So what? 

1432
01:15:32,900 --> 01:15:35,300
Yeah, speaking of true, we are 
in the increase. 

1433
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:38,300
Other kings 3 beta. 
We can't share too much about 

1434
01:15:38,300 --> 01:15:39,800
it. 
Well, I don't have much for 

1435
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:42,100
sharing beta will launch on 
April 14th. 

1436
01:15:42,100 --> 01:15:43,700
Yeah. 
So we I haven't actually played 

1437
01:15:43,700 --> 01:15:44,700
it yet. 
We're going. 

1438
01:15:44,700 --> 01:15:48,500
We apparently just got access 
today so I could maybe start 

1439
01:15:48,500 --> 01:15:50,500
playing it soon. 
So we're going to also have ck3 

1440
01:15:51,300 --> 01:15:53,700
streams returning at some point.
That's part of why I haven't 

1441
01:15:53,700 --> 01:15:56,400
returned to the game streamed 
yet because we knew that ck3 was

1442
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:58,400
close. 
Yeah, yes, iting. 

1443
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:02,400
So, yeah, we'll be able to 
record content to release later,

1444
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:04,800
but once it's public, you know, 
once it's out, we can just 

1445
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:07,300
stream As we would. 
So it'll be fun. 

1446
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:12,000
Yeah, so you can sign up for our
patreon at history of 

1447
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:15,100
Westeros.com. 
There's links to all of our 

1448
01:16:15,300 --> 01:16:18,500
different places or you can go 
directly to patreon.com slash 

1449
01:16:18,500 --> 01:16:22,400
astray Westeros or if you are a 
Spotify subscriber and the link 

1450
01:16:22,700 --> 01:16:26,400
is in every episode description,
just a single symbol symbol. 

1451
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:31,300
Think of a simple click and it 
just gets added to your monthly 

1452
01:16:31,300 --> 01:16:33,900
subscription so you can kind of 
just fire-and-forget not worry 

1453
01:16:33,900 --> 01:16:37,500
about it again. 
There is a Creek in Stark, in 

1454
01:16:37,508 --> 01:16:39,900
The Song of Ice and Fire. 
You may remember him as I'm 

1455
01:16:39,900 --> 01:16:41,700
sorry, creaking karstark, it's 
not going to fire. 

1456
01:16:41,900 --> 01:16:44,500
You may remember him as the one 
that tried to forcibly, marry 

1457
01:16:44,700 --> 01:16:48,700
Alice, karstark is nice. 
And is, as we last Saw 

1458
01:16:48,900 --> 01:16:52,900
imprisoned in a nice cell. 
No creegan Stark, married Ali, 

1459
01:16:52,900 --> 01:16:55,900
not Alice, and didn't have 
Chaser back to kind of sounds 

1460
01:16:55,900 --> 01:16:58,200
like more like She chased him a 
bit and he liked, and hey, why 

1461
01:16:58,200 --> 01:16:59,700
not? 
I would like that to Black. 

1462
01:16:59,700 --> 01:17:03,400
Alex sounds pretty awesome. 
Now, let's talk about her, as I 

1463
01:17:03,407 --> 01:17:06,700
said, this would be called the 
black Ali era because at some 

1464
01:17:06,700 --> 01:17:09,000
point he went from the wolf in 
the North to the old man of the 

1465
01:17:09,008 --> 01:17:13,500
North in between was her. 
So she is a good enough 

1466
01:17:13,500 --> 01:17:15,500
Milestone. 
One of the best, probably let's 

1467
01:17:15,500 --> 01:17:17,700
have a quote about her. 
Though. 

1468
01:17:17,700 --> 01:17:21,300
Black Ali was no man's. 
Queen of love, and beauty her 

1469
01:17:21,300 --> 01:17:33,500
fearlessness, her. 
Fearlessness stuff got here. 

1470
01:17:33,500 --> 01:17:35,900
Listlessness her fearlessness, 
laughs. 

1471
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:41,500
Okay, I'm going to start that 
over Bill black Ali was no man's

1472
01:17:41,500 --> 01:17:44,000
Queen. 
Usually, I get the kicks of. 

1473
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:47,000
Oh okay though, black Ali was 
no. 

1474
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:50,800
That's History. 
This is the worst and it's 

1475
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:52,400
pickle so bad. 
No. 

1476
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:54,700
Black Ali was no man's, queen of
love, and beauty, her 

1477
01:17:54,700 --> 01:17:57,100
fearlessness, stubborn strength 
and body tongue. 

1478
01:17:57,100 --> 01:17:59,500
Struck a chord for the Lord of 
Winterfell who soon began to 

1479
01:17:59,500 --> 01:18:01,500
seek out her company in Holland 
yard. 

1480
01:18:01,700 --> 01:18:04,100
She smells of wood smoke not of 
flowers. 

1481
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:07,700
Stark told lord, cerwyn said to 
be his closest friend. 

1482
01:18:08,100 --> 01:18:10,200
How do we find that out of him 
out of the sources? 

1483
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:12,200
Find out what Stark told, Lord, 
Sauron and Saruman. 

1484
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:14,600
Like go Spill. 
The Beans, ha ha ha. 

1485
01:18:14,700 --> 01:18:17,000
He's he said, she smells upon 
smoke. 

1486
01:18:17,100 --> 01:18:24,300
Without flour what a kind of 
northerner says that but speak 

1487
01:18:24,300 --> 01:18:27,000
for yourself Meister. 
No man's queen of love, and 

1488
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:29,300
beauty, like the hell is that? 
It sounds like this is 

1489
01:18:29,300 --> 01:18:30,900
franken's. 
Queen of love and beauty. 

1490
01:18:30,900 --> 01:18:35,100
Yeah, he was exactly like I 
mean, this is the same guy who 

1491
01:18:35,100 --> 01:18:37,600
called Sarah snow, half wild 
Savage a lock. 

1492
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:42,400
So, you know us for sure. 
Berry sauce. 

1493
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:46,300
Yes. 
So they were married late in 132

1494
01:18:46,700 --> 01:18:48,500
many. 
After they left Winterfell, are 

1495
01:18:48,500 --> 01:18:50,200
after they left the South no 
rush. 

1496
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:52,100
I suppose, they had to get it 
all together. 

1497
01:18:52,100 --> 01:18:54,400
Invite the guests, but it 
happened at the gods wouldn't 

1498
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:57,300
Winterfell. 
And we know bloody been her 

1499
01:18:57,400 --> 01:19:01,400
nephew like I was nephew was in 
attendance and rickon, Young 

1500
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:06,200
Rick guns for years old sang for
her which is like what a detail 

1501
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:10,200
to include was what, how 
heartwarming unfortunately, this

1502
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:12,600
is where things start to become 
considerably less detailed 

1503
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:15,200
because this is almost near the 
end of Fire and Blood here. 

1504
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:17,000
And there's only a few more 
notes for Fire and Blood that 

1505
01:19:17,100 --> 01:19:20,500
Apply to our story from from 
that, from that point on, it 

1506
01:19:20,500 --> 01:19:25,200
becomes inferences from just 
historical detail. 

1507
01:19:25,700 --> 01:19:28,000
We lose like direct quotes and 
things like that. 

1508
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:31,300
We don't know how long black Ali
lives seems like, it was on the 

1509
01:19:31,300 --> 01:19:36,200
longer side for a couple 
reasons, one of which is that he

1510
01:19:36,300 --> 01:19:39,200
did eventually remarry. 
But it seems to have been pretty

1511
01:19:39,700 --> 01:19:43,900
far in the future given when 
those children were born with 

1512
01:19:43,900 --> 01:19:48,800
that third wife, Lenora as well.
He had four Daughters with black

1513
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:51,600
alley, which you know, that 
could have happened in a fairly 

1514
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:55,100
short span like four or five 
years, but that's not likely. 

1515
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:57,400
It's more likely to have been 
spread out somewhat. 

1516
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:02,300
And with this to you wonder 
about his soft spot for women, 

1517
01:20:02,300 --> 01:20:05,300
what it meant to him to have a 
bunch of daughters, and you 

1518
01:20:05,300 --> 01:20:11,500
wonder if that Goods back to our
Inori or maybe Sarah snow is 

1519
01:20:11,500 --> 01:20:16,100
real and she reminded and was 
actually wild and her all huh. 

1520
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:19,200
Yeah, maybe he wasn't all that 
wrong, maybe she was unwashed, 

1521
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:23,400
you know, Maybe he really loved 
his mother and or Grandma. 

1522
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:27,100
You know, maybe they all remind 
him of our, there's all these 

1523
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:32,400
Rich options we have. 
We can't narrow it down to a 

1524
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:35,800
specific one but of Joyce's 
decent fellow. 

1525
01:20:35,900 --> 01:20:38,500
Yeah, yeah exactly how the 
choices we have. 

1526
01:20:38,500 --> 01:20:40,700
And there's several they all 
there's some really solid ones. 

1527
01:20:41,900 --> 01:20:46,000
But as I said before, winter was
looming. 

1528
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:49,000
They went back to get married, 
it was already winter. 

1529
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:52,200
Had already been winter for a 
while and it didn't let up to 

1530
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:53,600
this action were calling tough 
times. 

1531
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:57,200
For the north started off. 
With a quote, the Specter of 

1532
01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:00,400
famine loomed in the north as 
Cragen Stark and his Lords. 

1533
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:04,700
Bannerman watched their food 
stores dwindle whilst the Nights

1534
01:21:04,700 --> 01:21:07,900
Watch turned back in 
ever-increasing number of 

1535
01:21:07,900 --> 01:21:10,800
wildling incursions, from Beyond
the Wall. 

1536
01:21:11,900 --> 01:21:15,100
I'm the Spectre of famine. 
Like the Ghost of Christmas 

1537
01:21:15,100 --> 01:21:18,100
Past. 
So those men took the black, 

1538
01:21:18,100 --> 01:21:20,700
after the dance, rather than 
face, Lord Cragen with ice and 

1539
01:21:20,700 --> 01:21:25,200
get executed, they found 
themselves facing that instead 

1540
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:27,800
they may have wished. 
They had accepted the execution,

1541
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:30,400
we can guess Craig and sent what
help he could. 

1542
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:32,700
He's a friend of the watch 
especially when they're being 

1543
01:21:32,700 --> 01:21:35,600
attacked but the famine would 
have caused him more problems. 

1544
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:38,300
Would have made it difficult for
him to help as much as you 

1545
01:21:38,300 --> 01:21:40,800
probably would have wanted, then
it got worse. 

1546
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:45,000
Winter fever emerged in the 
sisters sisters isn't very far 

1547
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:47,500
from White Harbor. 
Lot of traffic between the two. 

1548
01:21:47,500 --> 01:21:51,400
So, wasn't long before it spread
there and it actually spread 

1549
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:54,800
even farther, it got all the way
to barrowton, which is Overland 

1550
01:21:55,500 --> 01:21:58,800
in a sparsely populated region 
nor in the north, where people 

1551
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:02,100
aren't exactly out. 
And about a lot in Winter yet, 

1552
01:22:02,100 --> 01:22:06,600
it's still spread which reminder
how bad grayscale is going to be

1553
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:10,900
a, keep blowing that horn. 
And as is often the case. 

1554
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:14,100
When a realm falls into 
weakness. 

1555
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:18,900
That's an invitation for the 
enemies of that realm take 

1556
01:22:18,900 --> 01:22:22,400
action. 
What widespread famine was 

1557
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:25,600
reported in the North and the 
winter fever descended on 

1558
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:28,600
barrowton the first time it had 
ever traveled. 

1559
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:32,200
So far, inland a Raider named 
Silas. 

1560
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:37,200
The Grim LED 3000 wildlings 
against the wall overwhelming. 

1561
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:40,400
The black Brothers at Queen's 
Gate and spreading out across 

1562
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:42,900
the gift. 
Until Lord, Cragen Stark rode 

1563
01:22:42,900 --> 01:22:45,600
forth, from Winterfell. 
Joined with the Glovers of 

1564
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:50,100
deepwood Motte the Flint's in 
Nori's of the hills and 100 

1565
01:22:50,100 --> 01:22:53,800
Rangers from the Nights, Watch 
to hunt them down and put an end

1566
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:56,100
to them. 
So note, the helpers, their the 

1567
01:22:56,100 --> 01:23:00,300
specific ones mentioned, the 
Glovers, the flints and the 

1568
01:23:00,300 --> 01:23:03,500
Nori's the Flint's. 
Well, there's lots of Flynn's 

1569
01:23:03,500 --> 01:23:06,000
there, several branches of the 
Flynn's, but the Glovers and the

1570
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:10,600
Nori's are his closest kin Nori.
You know, our Nori is first 

1571
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:14,300
wife, Rick. 
On his son is a Nori half Nori. 

1572
01:23:14,300 --> 01:23:18,500
Whatever and his mother was a 
Glover, so yeah. 

1573
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:21,400
Three thousand is a lot of free 
folk. 

1574
01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:24,800
Although, it's nowhere close to 
like mance's Army. 

1575
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:26,500
That's because this was not a 
king-beyond-the-wall. 

1576
01:23:26,500 --> 01:23:28,900
This is some sort of super 
raider guy. 

1577
01:23:29,300 --> 01:23:32,600
On the other hand if it's that 
bad in the north, it was 

1578
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:34,200
probably really bad Beyond the 
Wall to. 

1579
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:36,900
So these three thousand Raiders 
were probably somewhat on the 

1580
01:23:36,900 --> 01:23:39,500
desperate side. 
They probably weren't like ooh, 

1581
01:23:39,500 --> 01:23:42,900
now's our chance to go. get all 
this food, now, they were like, 

1582
01:23:42,900 --> 01:23:46,400
well, what choice do we have 
were dying so both sides were 

1583
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:50,600
probably desperate need Now, 
it's hard to find 3,000 men. 

1584
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:52,900
When the Snows are constant have
to cover their tracks. 

1585
01:23:52,900 --> 01:23:54,200
You think? 
Normally, there would leave a 

1586
01:23:54,208 --> 01:23:57,000
trail and wouldn't be that hard 
to find 3,000 men. 

1587
01:23:57,000 --> 01:24:00,900
Even in a place as large as the 
north, given the familiarity, so

1588
01:24:00,900 --> 01:24:02,500
many Northerners have with their
region. 

1589
01:24:02,500 --> 01:24:05,200
They would be able to tell if 
3,000 men had marched through 

1590
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:07,000
here. 
Especially considering they're 

1591
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:09,700
going to need to eat and they're
stealing that food from people 

1592
01:24:09,700 --> 01:24:14,000
on their way. 
But in deep snows, it's a much 

1593
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:16,100
different picture. 
So this may have taken some time

1594
01:24:16,100 --> 01:24:20,000
to resolve now, on the other 
hand, the Starks have yet to 

1595
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:22,000
take advantage of Southern 
weakness, even though we just 

1596
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:24,800
pointed out that they could have
Greg and start could have done a

1597
01:24:24,808 --> 01:24:27,200
lot of things and during the 
hour of the wolf that he chose 

1598
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:30,600
not to, he could have Push 
Northern Independence completely

1599
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:35,200
but he's father made an oath and
he made an agreement with Jason,

1600
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:37,900
that's that he's not an 
oathbreaker, he doesn't break 

1601
01:24:37,900 --> 01:24:39,500
deals. 
Like, it may have been an option

1602
01:24:39,500 --> 01:24:42,500
in the sense that it was a 
choice that could have been 

1603
01:24:42,500 --> 01:24:44,000
made. 
But as far as like choices that 

1604
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:48,200
he would make no, may not have 
remotely come to mind as a 

1605
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:49,800
possible Choice, giving me 
values. 

1606
01:24:51,300 --> 01:24:53,400
But Phil is interesting to note.
This could have been a chance 

1607
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:55,400
for them to Break Free. 
The dragons were pretty much all

1608
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:57,600
dead. 
What's that one pink dragon that

1609
01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:01,500
was sitting on rain is shoulder 
and a few riderless dragons that

1610
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:03,700
were no threat to anyone? 
At least, not in war. 

1611
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:07,900
It would have been almost easy 
as far as Independence goes, 

1612
01:25:07,900 --> 01:25:11,800
right? 
Craig and stayed engaged in 

1613
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:13,600
southern politics least a little
bit. 

1614
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:17,700
He sent strongly worded letter, 
done when Peak, when Unwin tried

1615
01:25:17,700 --> 01:25:19,500
to marry his daughter to egg on 
the third. 

1616
01:25:19,500 --> 01:25:23,200
Luckily, a lot of other people 
also objected to that because 

1617
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:27,200
that letter alone may not have 
been enough but don't 

1618
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:31,000
underestimate the power of a 
letter from Cregan Stark given 

1619
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:33,700
he had proven, he was willing to
March South with all those men 

1620
01:25:33,700 --> 01:25:36,100
and he had already shown. 
What kind of man, he was, which 

1621
01:25:36,100 --> 01:25:40,800
by the way, If you're thinking 
that Kragen's a particularly 

1622
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:43,800
smart guy, which he might have 
been someone who thinks ahead a 

1623
01:25:43,808 --> 01:25:48,400
lot when she might have been all
of that Bluster, all of that 

1624
01:25:48,500 --> 01:25:51,200
energy, all that willingness to 
go fight. 

1625
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:53,400
And I may have been partly for 
show. 

1626
01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:56,200
It may have been just to remind 
everybody what the north was 

1627
01:25:56,200 --> 01:26:01,400
like a permanent semi semi 
permanent display of why you 

1628
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:05,400
should not mess with us are just
paint a picture. 

1629
01:26:05,500 --> 01:26:06,900
What happens if you mess with 
the north? 

1630
01:26:06,900 --> 01:26:08,100
So just really play that. 
Up. 

1631
01:26:08,100 --> 01:26:09,900
Just make them look as 
intimidating as and now is our 

1632
01:26:09,900 --> 01:26:12,600
chance to show the South, but 
we're about, we do it right. 

1633
01:26:13,100 --> 01:26:16,500
It'll set the stage for a 
century or more in how they view

1634
01:26:16,500 --> 01:26:18,400
US. 
Arguably that happened. 

1635
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:22,900
Whether it was an intent of 
cretins or not, He would have 

1636
01:26:22,900 --> 01:26:26,500
hated the news that they almost 
poisoned egg on the third and 

1637
01:26:26,500 --> 01:26:29,300
then they did Poison his food, 
taster gaming pale hair and 

1638
01:26:29,300 --> 01:26:31,500
almost killed, the naira 
Valerian as well. 

1639
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:33,300
Because of course, he hated the 
poisoning of aegon. 

1640
01:26:33,300 --> 01:26:35,500
The second even though egg on 
the second was his enemy. 

1641
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:38,800
He thought a gan, the second 
should have been overthrown like

1642
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:43,200
honorably like in battle rather 
than poison. 

1643
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:49,400
And thinking about maybe Unwin 
actually maybe being a little 

1644
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:51,300
worried that Reagan would return
with an army. 

1645
01:26:51,700 --> 01:26:54,900
He's not too worried about it 
during winter but you know, he 

1646
01:26:54,900 --> 01:26:56,400
knows that we're not going to 
last forever. 

1647
01:26:57,200 --> 01:27:00,400
There's a mystery as to why 
Marston Waters. 

1648
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:03,800
Never did end the secret Siege 
by force Fire and Blood opines. 

1649
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:08,000
Like, why didn't Marston Waters?
Send his men to attack. 

1650
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:10,800
He could have easily 
overwhelmed, standoff Machado, 

1651
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:13,800
even though he was intimidating 
because there's only once and 

1652
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:16,400
Doc a shadow and he I'd, you 
know, hundreds of men. 

1653
01:27:17,100 --> 01:27:20,400
Why didn't he do that one? 
Guess I have that. 

1654
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:23,200
I hadn't thought of until now is
creegan. 

1655
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:27,000
He knew egg on and creegan were,
at least a little bit tight, if 

1656
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:32,900
not a lot tight. 
And if he's like, hey creegan 

1657
01:27:32,900 --> 01:27:34,600
look what they're doing to me 
down here. 

1658
01:27:36,300 --> 01:27:39,800
He might come back and Martian, 
Waters doesn't want any of that.

1659
01:27:39,900 --> 01:27:43,800
No, thank you. 
So that might have been one of 

1660
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:46,200
the things that gave him pause. 
Might have been one of the main 

1661
01:27:46,200 --> 01:27:49,000
things they've it might have 
been the main thing, didn't Fox 

1662
01:27:49,900 --> 01:27:52,700
may be other considerations were
in play like saving his own skin

1663
01:27:52,700 --> 01:27:56,000
from the fact that it's 
conspiracy was blowing up in his

1664
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:58,600
face or the guys running. 
The conspiracy were having a 

1665
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:01,300
blow up on him. 
He wasn't, he wasn't, of course,

1666
01:28:01,300 --> 01:28:03,400
the one running it but he was 
high up there. 

1667
01:28:04,700 --> 01:28:08,000
In 135 the winter, finally 
broke. 

1668
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:12,500
And that's when apparently 
Cregan borrowed from the Iron 

1669
01:28:12,500 --> 01:28:18,000
Bay pay for new crops to plant 
and get started yet and to buy 

1670
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:20,900
enough food to get them over 
until that those crops would be 

1671
01:28:20,907 --> 01:28:23,100
ready is that's obviously months
away. 

1672
01:28:24,300 --> 01:28:27,800
So add debt to the iron bank to 
the list of problems for another

1673
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:32,200
day, we don't know how this came
into play, but it if we did 

1674
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:35,300
know, it might tell us a little 
something about About, but Jon 

1675
01:28:35,300 --> 01:28:39,200
Snow is facing having a debt of 
his own to the iron bank. 

1676
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:41,800
Well, the Nights Watch has that 
dad's, not Jon Snow's, personal 

1677
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:44,600
dead, but, you know what I mean?
It's the same scenario, roughly 

1678
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:48,300
speaking, but if there's like, 
if I'm the iron bank, is there a

1679
01:28:48,308 --> 01:28:51,000
safer bet than the Starks for a 
loan. 

1680
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:54,600
Like they've been there in 
charge firm eight thousand 

1681
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:57,500
years? 
It seems, they have this 

1682
01:28:57,500 --> 01:29:00,000
attitude about always, like it's
the Lannisters in always pay 

1683
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:03,100
their debts according to them, 
but the Starks like they 

1684
01:29:03,100 --> 01:29:07,300
remember, you know, Eternal. 
Like that's man, I would be all 

1685
01:29:07,300 --> 01:29:09,600
about loaning money to the 
Starks about the I think I would

1686
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:14,900
feel very safe with that. 
So the next year is 136 and 

1687
01:29:14,900 --> 01:29:17,400
that's when aegon, the third 
comes of age and dismisses, Lord

1688
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:21,800
man, drew some, a miniature 
Theory here because egg on like 

1689
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:26,300
creegan creegan like tagging 
Craig on but come now that's 

1690
01:29:26,300 --> 01:29:28,700
their ship name. 
No, that's not shit. 

1691
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:32,000
No, no, no, no, no. 
Never mind, just kidding 

1692
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:33,900
different egg on a different tag
on. 

1693
01:29:34,500 --> 01:29:35,500
Got that. 
Yeah, cut that. 

1694
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:40,400
So those who got along real well
manderley and egg on did not get

1695
01:29:40,400 --> 01:29:42,500
along. 
They didn't like each other 

1696
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:44,600
their different personalities. 
So does that mean Craig and in 

1697
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:47,100
Turin didn't get along. 
Then Wonder. 

1698
01:29:47,100 --> 01:29:50,100
Maybe, you know, I had Turin was
his vassal, you know? 

1699
01:29:50,100 --> 01:29:52,500
He maybe got along with Desmond 
who was torrents father. 

1700
01:29:53,300 --> 01:29:57,900
So maybe the Cregan Stark and 
porn manly Works weren't so best

1701
01:29:57,900 --> 01:30:00,800
of friends, but that's just a 
guess that's, you know, there's 

1702
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:02,800
plenty of reasons why they would
be fine and it certainly doesn't

1703
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:05,700
imply that they didn't like each
other or that they had problems 

1704
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:09,200
something to mention. 
So after this we also lose track

1705
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:10,600
of the cycles of winter and 
summer. 

1706
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:14,700
We know there was a winter ER, 
in 166 167 because there was a 

1707
01:30:15,300 --> 01:30:17,400
Autumn where there were some 
really bad storms that you're 

1708
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:20,600
poor, but we have no idea how 
long it lasted it's always 

1709
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:22,400
coming. 
Winter is always coming as they 

1710
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:25,300
say and they are Stark. 
Okay, my shirt says it. 

1711
01:30:25,300 --> 01:30:28,400
Yeah. 
I wonder if Reagan thought of 

1712
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:31,200
these other. 
Starks, was he pondering that 

1713
01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:32,600
when they're sitting there in 
the midst of winter? 

1714
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:36,000
We thinking about other Starks 
and how they handled, winter, 

1715
01:30:36,100 --> 01:30:39,600
hundreds or thousands of years 
before, or maybe he wasn't the 

1716
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:41,200
type to dwell on such things 
wolves. 

1717
01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:43,700
Don't think about the other 
wolves. 

1718
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:46,500
Not only that, we lose the 
historical mention. 

1719
01:30:46,500 --> 01:30:48,600
This is this is we're really 
getting foggy here. 

1720
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:51,000
But we do have names. 
We do have dates, and there's a 

1721
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:55,400
lot we can do with even that. 
So if Sarah's no is real, Well, 

1722
01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:57,600
she probably got married because
you didn't marry Jase. 

1723
01:30:57,800 --> 01:31:00,100
We're at least she would have 
remarried if she if she did 

1724
01:31:00,100 --> 01:31:02,000
marry him in secret or 
something, because he died. 

1725
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:05,500
So soon, after I doubt, she just
stayed a widow her whole life. 

1726
01:31:05,500 --> 01:31:08,100
Well, that is possible and it 
does happen. 

1727
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:13,200
So who are the daughters he had 
with blackout, Sarah? 

1728
01:31:14,300 --> 01:31:17,200
Dang, it spelled differently. 
So there's Sarah with two r's. 

1729
01:31:17,300 --> 01:31:23,200
Sarah with one are Sarah with 
Annie and to ours, Sara, Ella 

1730
01:31:23,700 --> 01:31:26,400
and serenella. 
They're all names that appear 

1731
01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:32,700
throughout the books is awesome.
Oh gosh, I knew I was forgetting

1732
01:31:32,700 --> 01:31:33,600
one. 
So you're right. 

1733
01:31:33,700 --> 01:31:37,500
It's a lot of Sarah's y'all and 
there and the real world, 

1734
01:31:37,500 --> 01:31:40,700
there's SAR aah to which there 
isn't a version of that here. 

1735
01:31:40,700 --> 01:31:43,100
I don't think, I don't think 
there's an aah in Westeros, but 

1736
01:31:43,500 --> 01:31:45,600
George is one still. 
He can use if he wants another 

1737
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:49,500
Sarah. 
You can also do to ours or yeah.

1738
01:31:49,500 --> 01:31:54,500
And you, So there was another 
Alice so that's not a, not an 

1739
01:31:54,500 --> 01:31:57,900
ally but kind of an ally Alice. 
So there's an ALICE Stark there,

1740
01:31:57,900 --> 01:32:01,200
then a Reyes Stark that one's 
almost certainly an Easter egg. 

1741
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:05,800
Not only is Rhea an anagram for 
Aria is the same for letters to 

1742
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:08,900
some different order but Rhea is
one of George's assistance and 

1743
01:32:08,900 --> 01:32:11,600
in career illustrator in her 
own. 

1744
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:12,800
Right? 
Excellent person. 

1745
01:32:13,100 --> 01:32:17,300
We know her rare golden. 
Yeah, his minions and she did 

1746
01:32:17,500 --> 01:32:20,400
her latest project is the I 
think maybe she doesn't Since 

1747
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:23,400
this, but she did two clerks 
promise, Clark. 

1748
01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:24,200
Clark Kent. 
Oh yeah. 

1749
01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:26,300
That's that's related. 
That was not a song. 

1750
01:32:26,300 --> 01:32:28,800
I was working on the ice dragon 
stuff. 

1751
01:32:28,900 --> 01:32:30,400
Yeah. 
I was thinking of starport a 

1752
01:32:30,407 --> 01:32:31,600
star for. 
Yeah. 

1753
01:32:31,900 --> 01:32:33,600
Anyways, yeah. 
So she's got a lot of great 

1754
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:34,900
projects. 
She's awesome. 

1755
01:32:34,900 --> 01:32:37,400
And almost certainly this is a 
nod to her. 

1756
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:42,200
Then there's a fourth daughter 
named Mariah now, we do anything

1757
01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:43,900
about these kids. 
Anything about these daughters? 

1758
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:47,300
Maybe they were like their 
mother, maybe some of them were,

1759
01:32:47,300 --> 01:32:49,100
maybe some of them were tough, 
like black like that, you know, 

1760
01:32:49,100 --> 01:32:52,400
like like that maybe they were 
real Stark women or maybe have 

1761
01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:54,700
some of them are more courtly, 
like, Santa, who knows? 

1762
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:57,000
You got four of them, there's 
all sorts of possibilities. 

1763
01:32:57,200 --> 01:32:59,200
Maybe one of them who had a 
husband whose house would be 

1764
01:32:59,200 --> 01:33:00,900
staunch for them as Lady of 
Winterfell. 

1765
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:02,900
The some had designs through 
their why. 

1766
01:33:02,900 --> 01:33:05,000
Right? 
Ambitious husband, who knows, 

1767
01:33:05,100 --> 01:33:07,700
you know what I find interesting
is like, the to Mariah's that we

1768
01:33:07,700 --> 01:33:10,500
here. 
Like, those are two extremes. 

1769
01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:13,100
Yeah, cartels in the Stark. 
That's true. 

1770
01:33:13,100 --> 01:33:16,300
Like, so far for that name to my
name is its. 

1771
01:33:16,300 --> 01:33:19,700
I mean, technically now it's 
with and Y for the dornish 

1772
01:33:19,700 --> 01:33:22,000
version but it wasn't always. 
Yeah. 

1773
01:33:22,100 --> 01:33:24,200
And so, anyways, I've since 
interesting, you're right. 

1774
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:25,700
Yeah. 
That is a curiosity, is a name 

1775
01:33:25,700 --> 01:33:28,400
that really just transcends the 
borders, I suppose. 

1776
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:29,800
Yeah. 
But we don't know anyone else 

1777
01:33:29,800 --> 01:33:32,400
like Alice, like what does seem 
to appear everywhere? 

1778
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:35,100
Yeah, it does seem pretty well, 
I'm does. 

1779
01:33:35,100 --> 01:33:36,300
It doesn't seem to appear 
everywhere. 

1780
01:33:36,300 --> 01:33:39,400
It's like a in Far, Northern Our
South and probably just haven't 

1781
01:33:39,400 --> 01:33:42,100
met any that appear in between. 
Yeah, that's true. 

1782
01:33:42,100 --> 01:33:43,800
We don't know. 
But yeah. 

1783
01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:49,600
So we don't know any of those 
four daughters marry nor when 

1784
01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:52,700
black Ali died or how we do. 
Nobody been Blackwood. 

1785
01:33:52,700 --> 01:33:55,700
Lived a particularly long life. 
So that's her nephew. 

1786
01:33:55,700 --> 01:33:58,500
So he may have come north for 
her funeral since he came for 

1787
01:33:58,500 --> 01:34:00,800
her wet or to pay his respects 
and of like that. 

1788
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:03,300
Since they had a good 
connection, the Starks in the 

1789
01:34:03,300 --> 01:34:06,400
Blackwood specialness are 
obviously so good chance. 

1790
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:08,100
He went up there for her 
funeral. 

1791
01:34:08,200 --> 01:34:11,500
Cool. 
Now if he did, marry his 

1792
01:34:11,500 --> 01:34:14,900
daughters to Northern Lords 
which is the most likely 

1793
01:34:14,900 --> 01:34:18,600
destination for them, we could 
guess at who he might have done 

1794
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:20,500
that with who we might have made
those arrangements with. 

1795
01:34:20,500 --> 01:34:22,100
Now, of course, this these are 
just guesses. 

1796
01:34:22,100 --> 01:34:24,700
We have no idea. 
Whether there were marriage 

1797
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:27,400
marriageable boys or men 
available. 

1798
01:34:27,400 --> 01:34:31,500
So pure guesswork Nori though, 
just keeping it with the 

1799
01:34:31,500 --> 01:34:34,000
families. 
He was already had strong ties 

1800
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:38,100
to Glover Flint since they 
helped against Silas. 

1801
01:34:38,900 --> 01:34:43,000
The Grim Grim black would maybe 
more blackwood's could have 

1802
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:45,700
gotten involved as they already 
had that sort of Channel open 

1803
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:49,200
sir, when for obvious reasons, 
being close and having the 

1804
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:53,300
friendships he had with Lord, 
cerwyn manderley, just for 

1805
01:34:53,300 --> 01:34:56,500
politics and, you know, keeping 
it tight with the manderlys 

1806
01:34:56,500 --> 01:34:59,700
that's important because at some
point Rick on Young, Rick on 

1807
01:34:59,700 --> 01:35:02,900
Mary's, Jane mandrel, who was 
probably a daughter of Lord 

1808
01:35:02,900 --> 01:35:05,100
Desmond, but could have been a 
daughter of Turin. 

1809
01:35:05,100 --> 01:35:08,200
Italy said Desmond had been Lord
throughout the dance, but he 

1810
01:35:08,200 --> 01:35:11,300
died in 132 from that winter 
fever, that we said that went 

1811
01:35:11,300 --> 01:35:14,900
around I saw the pack of Ice and
Fire was still unfulfilled by 

1812
01:35:14,900 --> 01:35:17,400
this point but Greek and 
couldn't wait forever to find a 

1813
01:35:17,407 --> 01:35:20,000
bride for his are but that still
is interesting. 

1814
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:22,200
Must have been a decision of 
some point. 

1815
01:35:22,200 --> 01:35:23,700
Like yeah we're not going to 
ever get that Targaryen 

1816
01:35:23,700 --> 01:35:24,700
princess. 
Are we have? 

1817
01:35:26,600 --> 01:35:29,400
You wonder like when he finally 
gave up on that or like the 

1818
01:35:29,400 --> 01:35:33,900
manager was probably like yeah 
Jane manly right here by getting

1819
01:35:33,900 --> 01:35:35,600
a. 
You don't get on this train. 

1820
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:37,900
Now we're going to have her 
marry some other Northern Lord 

1821
01:35:37,900 --> 01:35:40,900
you know. 
So I wonder how have he just 

1822
01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:43,900
Dangled that sounds like look, 
they're not gonna get a 

1823
01:35:43,907 --> 01:35:46,300
Targaryen princess. 
Yo, hahaha do this. 

1824
01:35:46,300 --> 01:35:48,400
So creaking eventually has 
granddaughter see how this 

1825
01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:51,400
marriage Sansa, you know, he's 
like, he's like, I know 

1826
01:35:51,400 --> 01:36:00,700
something else that has scales. 
Only half of them have a taste, 

1827
01:36:00,700 --> 01:36:04,900
like it's a little more details 
in a scale that would want to 

1828
01:36:04,907 --> 01:36:11,500
marry three prongs on a claw. 
Three prongs on a try. 

1829
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:15,300
I said, yeah, three prongs has 
the Trident. 

1830
01:36:15,300 --> 01:36:19,800
Yeah, yeah, so Santa and Serena 
are granddaughters from this 

1831
01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:23,900
marriage of rickon and Jane. 
And really, we don't know when 

1832
01:36:23,900 --> 01:36:25,900
they were born either. 
Although we do know when they 

1833
01:36:25,900 --> 01:36:30,100
were born before because it was 
before the conquest of Dorne is 

1834
01:36:30,100 --> 01:36:34,400
unfortunately in the year 157 or
maybe 150 a trick and is killed 

1835
01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:37,000
mirror mirror sunspear and one 
of the final battles of Dorne 

1836
01:36:38,200 --> 01:36:41,300
Darren mentioned him, King 
daeron the young dragon mentions

1837
01:36:41,300 --> 01:36:46,000
him conquests Dorn like writes 
about his exploits as if it was 

1838
01:36:46,100 --> 01:36:48,900
significant. 
So he was probably right there 

1839
01:36:48,900 --> 01:36:51,800
with him in the Dragon Knight. 
You know, fighting with all the 

1840
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:56,900
other, like, highfalutin Nobles.
Again, this is a possible 

1841
01:36:56,900 --> 01:36:59,500
landing spot for when Craig and 
himself might have Gould aemon, 

1842
01:36:59,500 --> 01:37:02,900
the dragonknight and have some 
sort of being upset about what 

1843
01:37:02,900 --> 01:37:04,400
happened here. 
How this was handled at Google 

1844
01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:08,100
for honor and just pure guessing
is also open to question of who 

1845
01:37:08,100 --> 01:37:11,300
becomes the air. 
There's a long way to question 

1846
01:37:11,300 --> 01:37:14,100
of how the north handles issues 
like this. 

1847
01:37:14,300 --> 01:37:16,700
We don't know how they did it. 
We've never had a lady of 

1848
01:37:16,700 --> 01:37:22,200
Winterfell so it's pretty hard 
to Guess that they do follow 

1849
01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:25,100
straight primogeniture, they 
probably do Passover with or 

1850
01:37:25,100 --> 01:37:28,400
they have passed over with at 
least many times if not every 

1851
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:31,300
time, so we don't know who the 
air was with sassa, the air, she

1852
01:37:31,300 --> 01:37:37,700
would be under Southern laws, 
but I don't know if she was even

1853
01:37:37,700 --> 01:37:40,200
if she wasn't her hand would 
become the most desired in the 

1854
01:37:40,208 --> 01:37:42,200
north. 
If she wasn't married because 

1855
01:37:43,200 --> 01:37:45,700
you could claim Winterfell 
through her or throw her 

1856
01:37:45,700 --> 01:37:49,200
children, if not directly 
because she's already the lady 

1857
01:37:49,200 --> 01:37:52,000
of Winterfell. the ambitious 
folks would be all over this, 

1858
01:37:52,700 --> 01:37:56,300
but Cragen's, not dying anytime 
soon. 

1859
01:37:56,600 --> 01:38:00,200
So whatever plans they made 
weren't going anywhere because 

1860
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:05,200
heirs are still heirs. 
As long as the Lord is alive and

1861
01:38:05,200 --> 01:38:08,000
much, is going to change. 
In the meantime that ships, the 

1862
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:10,900
ground around that whole 
succession situation. 

1863
01:38:12,200 --> 01:38:16,500
So when Rick on died, that was 
157. 158. 

1864
01:38:16,500 --> 01:38:20,600
So he'd be Forty Nine, ish years
old, it's possible. 

1865
01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:23,000
Black Ali had passed before 
this. 

1866
01:38:23,300 --> 01:38:26,000
Again we have no idea. 
It's the foggiest portion of the

1867
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:28,000
timeline. 
We have some idea of what was 

1868
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:30,000
going on in King's Landing on a 
basic level. 

1869
01:38:30,300 --> 01:38:35,100
For example, Darren's Reign was 
short and then bail or took over

1870
01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:39,100
It's long been a theory that 
Baylor's policies were going to 

1871
01:38:39,100 --> 01:38:41,200
cause problems for the North and
is possible. 

1872
01:38:41,500 --> 01:38:45,000
Problems is putting it mildly. 
We'd really want to know what 

1873
01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:47,400
Craig and thought about all that
is another possibility for a 

1874
01:38:47,400 --> 01:38:51,000
name in versus Cregan, dual 
here. 

1875
01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:55,200
Over northern versus Southern 
religious policies. 

1876
01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:57,200
It could be really rooted in 
that issue. 

1877
01:38:57,700 --> 01:39:00,700
Rooted being a very good word 
used for where would purposes? 

1878
01:39:00,700 --> 01:39:05,800
Yes, and basically Baylor is 
peaceful and pacifistic as he 

1879
01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:08,700
was Could have been a real 
problem for the north because of

1880
01:39:08,700 --> 01:39:12,500
all his anti non faith of the 
seven stuff like he wanted to 

1881
01:39:12,500 --> 01:39:15,400
replace the Ravens, right? 
With white doves or whatever. 

1882
01:39:15,400 --> 01:39:17,200
Like that's a disaster waiting 
to happen. 

1883
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:22,200
That alone restricts 
communication with the north. 

1884
01:39:22,300 --> 01:39:23,800
It would have heard them more 
than it would have heard other 

1885
01:39:23,800 --> 01:39:27,100
regions because they can still 
carry letters from shorter 

1886
01:39:27,100 --> 01:39:29,200
distances and still communicate 
a little bit. 

1887
01:39:29,200 --> 01:39:31,400
But cutting off. 
That's a lot of communication 

1888
01:39:31,400 --> 01:39:32,700
co-op in the north, and that's 
only one. 

1889
01:39:32,700 --> 01:39:37,100
Small problem, that of many that
Baylor has, kind of Maybe not 

1890
01:39:37,100 --> 01:39:42,400
intentionally but driving up, 
anger, and fear about tree 

1891
01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:44,200
worshipping and the old gods and
stuff. 

1892
01:39:44,200 --> 01:39:48,500
And that can have violent side 
effects of people attacking 

1893
01:39:48,500 --> 01:39:50,700
Northerners for their beliefs 
and stuff like that. 

1894
01:39:51,200 --> 01:39:53,700
And what did he think of the 
maidens in the tower? 

1895
01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:58,700
Jay sign that bag of ice and 
fire Jason was his uncle Baylor.

1896
01:39:58,700 --> 01:40:01,300
Meaning it half-uncle 
technically but it's the 

1897
01:40:01,300 --> 01:40:03,000
Targaryen side they have in 
common. 

1898
01:40:03,100 --> 01:40:04,600
That's the part that probably 
matters. 

1899
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:07,900
If you're not going to marry any
of those sisters yourself, bro. 

1900
01:40:07,900 --> 01:40:09,600
Why not fulfill your agreements,
send? 

1901
01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:13,300
One of those princesses North 
imagined and of the Define 

1902
01:40:13,300 --> 01:40:17,000
married to Craig and Stark but 
yeah, I mean, no, no way. 

1903
01:40:17,400 --> 01:40:20,100
Baylor would have ever have 
suffered Heathen marriage. 

1904
01:40:20,200 --> 01:40:23,200
No, he wasn't gonna do that, but
I'm trying to marry him out 

1905
01:40:23,200 --> 01:40:24,500
here. 
Yeah, he's not drunk. 

1906
01:40:24,700 --> 01:40:25,800
Did anyone? 
Yeah, exactly. 

1907
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:29,500
Download one or not, someone who
doesn't worship the face but 

1908
01:40:29,500 --> 01:40:31,600
from creaking perspective or 
maybe some other Northern Lords 

1909
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:33,800
who were aware of that promised 
they'd be like hey what's the 

1910
01:40:33,800 --> 01:40:35,900
deal like you had this promise? 
You're not marrying. 

1911
01:40:35,900 --> 01:40:38,500
Anyone like fulfill your promise
man. 

1912
01:40:39,900 --> 01:40:43,200
And of course like some of this 
theorizing is perhaps a complete

1913
01:40:43,200 --> 01:40:47,100
mess because they in the defiant
marrying, Cragen could be 

1914
01:40:47,200 --> 01:40:49,100
impossible because black Ali 
might've still been alive. 

1915
01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:53,700
You know we have no idea. 
But this is yet another thing 

1916
01:40:53,700 --> 01:40:55,600
that could have dual Dover. 
It's like, you promised to 

1917
01:40:55,600 --> 01:40:58,400
surprise never delivered it. 
I want to duel for honoring. 

1918
01:40:59,900 --> 01:41:02,300
At some point. 
During this his name went from 

1919
01:41:02,300 --> 01:41:04,300
Wolf of the north to Old Man of 
the north. 

1920
01:41:04,700 --> 01:41:08,200
So don't know when you know is 
again, I'm not even old wolf of 

1921
01:41:08,200 --> 01:41:11,700
the North Pole doubles of the 
door, but at some point, black 

1922
01:41:11,700 --> 01:41:14,400
Ali did die. 
We don't know how long he went 

1923
01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:17,400
without a wife. 
It may have been something he 

1924
01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:21,500
decided to address quickly 
because he doesn't have a son or

1925
01:41:21,500 --> 01:41:24,800
something that he didn't address
quickly because he loved black 

1926
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:26,300
alley and was not ready to 
remarry. 

1927
01:41:26,300 --> 01:41:29,500
So as a real Duty versus love 
question here, I suppose 

1928
01:41:29,800 --> 01:41:31,800
Potential Beauty versus love 
question here. 

1929
01:41:32,700 --> 01:41:36,000
Whatever happened. 
Whatever time passed, or didn't 

1930
01:41:36,500 --> 01:41:38,300
that third wife was line Nara 
star? 

1931
01:41:39,200 --> 01:41:42,400
So, was he trying to Father a 
new male Heir? 

1932
01:41:42,600 --> 01:41:44,700
Or was he trying to have 
company? 

1933
01:41:44,700 --> 01:41:47,000
Or was it political reasons? 
You can see why there would be 

1934
01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:49,700
political reasons. 
Let's refer back to the earliest

1935
01:41:49,700 --> 01:41:52,700
part of the episode. 
When I mentioned her Leonora and

1936
01:41:52,700 --> 01:41:55,600
her family connection, she is a 
descendant of Brandon, the 

1937
01:41:55,600 --> 01:41:59,100
boisterous, the second Lord of 
Winterfell. 

1938
01:41:59,900 --> 01:42:03,500
Meaning second Lord after Tora 
knelt, not know laughter, 

1939
01:42:03,500 --> 01:42:07,200
Brandon the Builder. 
So this marriage would unite two

1940
01:42:07,200 --> 01:42:10,400
branches of how start so that 
you can see why that would be a 

1941
01:42:10,400 --> 01:42:13,900
political move to reduce the 
chance of civil Strife uniting 

1942
01:42:13,900 --> 01:42:16,400
the Starks means there's less 
likely to be squabbling over 

1943
01:42:16,400 --> 01:42:18,900
Winterfell after the eventual 
death of friggin which is still 

1944
01:42:18,900 --> 01:42:22,300
a while away as it turned out. 
But they didn't know that even 

1945
01:42:22,300 --> 01:42:25,400
Cregan probably was like, man, 
I'm I'm still alive. 

1946
01:42:25,500 --> 01:42:29,200
It might not last but I'm still 
going and he was clearly still 

1947
01:42:29,200 --> 01:42:30,400
capable. 
Of fathering children. 

1948
01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:34,800
It seems it seems like he was 
told very capable of plenty of 

1949
01:42:34,808 --> 01:42:38,300
stuff but it would have maybe 
seemed likely to those observing

1950
01:42:38,300 --> 01:42:41,900
that he might not live much 
longer because well it's just 

1951
01:42:41,900 --> 01:42:46,400
the way of the world. 
The creaking would also have his

1952
01:42:46,400 --> 01:42:50,100
own personal experience with 
People squabbling over 

1953
01:42:50,100 --> 01:42:53,800
Winterfell, it happened to him. 
Thanks, Uncle Bernard, but, and 

1954
01:42:53,800 --> 01:42:56,700
he has no son of his own, so he 
could very easily see. 

1955
01:42:58,700 --> 01:43:00,700
Problems in the future. 
If you didn't take care of that,

1956
01:43:00,700 --> 01:43:04,000
if he didn't set things aright, 
but Winterfell back on a path. 

1957
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:07,900
With a stable are stable 
succession situation. 

1958
01:43:08,600 --> 01:43:12,500
Well, he's putting his own house
and the north on the road to 

1959
01:43:12,500 --> 01:43:14,000
exactly what happened in the 
South. 

1960
01:43:14,100 --> 01:43:16,500
He lived through the dance of 
the direwolves, the dance of the

1961
01:43:16,500 --> 01:43:19,900
dragons. 
And here he is staring down the 

1962
01:43:19,900 --> 01:43:21,800
barrel of another simple 
situation. 

1963
01:43:21,800 --> 01:43:24,800
Very similar to those two 
because of his own, lack of 

1964
01:43:25,100 --> 01:43:28,100
established succession, but that
did change underline. 

1965
01:43:28,100 --> 01:43:32,400
Our For new Stark boys and 
another daughter named Leon. 

1966
01:43:33,400 --> 01:43:37,300
Ironically that's too many sons 
too many son. 

1967
01:43:37,300 --> 01:43:39,800
I mean I bring you right back to
the original problem of too many

1968
01:43:39,800 --> 01:43:42,300
claimants to winner from. 
Yeah, maybe just two sons would 

1969
01:43:42,308 --> 01:43:44,300
have been better but hey you 
can't control these things. 

1970
01:43:44,300 --> 01:43:46,000
Exactly. 
Well, I guess you can but he 

1971
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:50,500
didn't control these things. 
They kept popping out Starks so 

1972
01:43:50,600 --> 01:43:53,300
none of them took the black, 
which is interesting in and of 

1973
01:43:53,300 --> 01:43:55,400
itself. 
Usually, excess Starks you see 

1974
01:43:55,400 --> 01:43:57,000
that happen. 
They sort of take it upon 

1975
01:43:57,000 --> 01:43:58,800
themselves, dude. 
T. 

1976
01:43:58,800 --> 01:44:00,200
Right? 
Starks are big on duty. 

1977
01:44:00,200 --> 01:44:04,200
Very often to do what's 
necessary to Tamp down those 

1978
01:44:04,200 --> 01:44:09,300
odds of Civil War. 
I mean engine did that quite 

1979
01:44:09,300 --> 01:44:12,500
clearly or apparently for the 
exact reasons, we don't know, 

1980
01:44:12,500 --> 01:44:14,100
but he did. 
He took the black at a pretty 

1981
01:44:14,100 --> 01:44:18,900
young age when once and Rob was 
born, when there was another 

1982
01:44:18,900 --> 01:44:22,200
Stark out there, to take the 
place of net, if anything bad 

1983
01:44:22,200 --> 01:44:24,400
would happen. 
So, it's a little peculiar that 

1984
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:27,600
none of these Starks took black 
and it is part of why there was 

1985
01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:30,700
so much trouble. 
It's not clear if this reflects 

1986
01:44:30,700 --> 01:44:34,600
on creegan or Lenora, more or 
both, but you don't get the 

1987
01:44:34,600 --> 01:44:39,400
impression that these were of 
the Lone Wolf dies, the pack 

1988
01:44:39,400 --> 01:44:42,700
survives attitude, like that was
not passed on to them. 

1989
01:44:42,700 --> 01:44:46,900
Seems that might be a knock-on 
craigan, or Lagana or both. 

1990
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:51,400
It is said that after cragen's 
death, they truly lamented the 

1991
01:44:51,407 --> 01:44:53,900
death of rickon at sunspear do 
to help tumultuous the following

1992
01:44:53,900 --> 01:44:56,300
error was like they were 
lamented it at the time, but 

1993
01:44:56,300 --> 01:45:00,400
they like real lamented it you 
know, 30 some years later. 

1994
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:05,000
Because of all the problems 
again like boy, if that Rick on 

1995
01:45:05,600 --> 01:45:08,800
who we all love, so much, who 
was a great singer and a great 

1996
01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:12,700
warrior, it would have been 
fine, you know, but no and and 

1997
01:45:12,700 --> 01:45:16,900
it's so compelling but we don't 
know what a lot of the tumult 

1998
01:45:16,900 --> 01:45:19,300
was going to be a great story 
for another time. 

1999
01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:23,400
Get it. 
The Suns have colorful names, 

2000
01:45:23,700 --> 01:45:28,700
kind of remind me of the sons of
Ragnar Lothbrok from Not just 

2001
01:45:28,700 --> 01:45:33,100
the TV but you know the real 
stories that might not be real. 

2002
01:45:33,800 --> 01:45:37,100
He's semi-legendary 
semi-mythical there's jonel. 

2003
01:45:37,100 --> 01:45:44,100
One eye who married Sansa the 
daughter of Ric on so whatever 

2004
01:45:44,100 --> 01:45:46,500
succession issues there might 
have been this may have been 

2005
01:45:46,500 --> 01:45:48,800
solved by marrying. 
Those two halves of break-ins 

2006
01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:55,100
family so that's a pretty 
incestuous marriage. 

2007
01:45:55,100 --> 01:45:57,100
First Arc. 
You mean we've seen first 

2008
01:45:57,100 --> 01:45:58,700
cousin? 
Marriage is before, but this is 

2009
01:45:59,700 --> 01:46:02,800
a half-brother half-sister 
marriage right here, right? 

2010
01:46:02,800 --> 01:46:05,300
Yeah, or no. 
No, it's a, it's an, it's a 

2011
01:46:05,300 --> 01:46:08,700
sorry, it's a nice half-uncle 
marriage. 

2012
01:46:08,700 --> 01:46:11,400
Yeah, still pretty close. 
That's a lot closer than cousin 

2013
01:46:11,400 --> 01:46:13,900
even first. 
Cousin, big question is did 

2014
01:46:14,200 --> 01:46:15,300
create an arranged this 
marriage. 

2015
01:46:15,300 --> 01:46:17,100
We're going to win are arranged 
this marriage. 

2016
01:46:17,100 --> 01:46:21,500
I think probably because so many
more Sons followed he was 

2017
01:46:21,500 --> 01:46:25,100
probably alive but maybe not 
next was edrick. 

2018
01:46:25,100 --> 01:46:27,500
Who also married richens 
daughter? 

2019
01:46:27,700 --> 01:46:31,300
The other ones, Serena Serena 
had first married John. 

2020
01:46:31,300 --> 01:46:33,700
I'm birthing. 
That was perhaps arranged by 

2021
01:46:33,700 --> 01:46:35,300
Craig, perhaps all of these 
bird. 

2022
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:39,900
But jaw number died, and so 
edrick and Serena had four 

2023
01:46:39,900 --> 01:46:44,000
children crais guard and Turin. 
Who were twin Sons regard. 

2024
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:48,100
Okay. 
And Turin are Rana, and are ago.

2025
01:46:48,200 --> 01:46:51,000
Now are Rana married, osric. 
Ambrose was coming like a make 

2026
01:46:51,000 --> 01:46:53,400
good for the jaw. 
Number marriage didn't work out 

2027
01:46:53,800 --> 01:46:57,500
and Arabelle married. 
Robarts Irwin, who may have been

2028
01:46:57,600 --> 01:47:00,000
You know, more this Ricans 
friendship with the sermons is 

2029
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:03,000
Neverland related, that and 
Arabelle and Robards Irwin had 

2030
01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:05,800
at least one child, which may 
have been born before Creek and 

2031
01:47:05,800 --> 01:47:07,600
died. 
So, a great-grandchild for 

2032
01:47:07,600 --> 01:47:09,900
Creek. 
Yeah, most most restaurants he 

2033
01:47:09,900 --> 01:47:11,600
don't live to see 
great-grandchildren. 

2034
01:47:13,100 --> 01:47:14,800
What's an additional wrinkle 
here though? 

2035
01:47:14,800 --> 01:47:19,800
Is that edrick was the only one 
of brigands four Sons here who 

2036
01:47:19,800 --> 01:47:23,300
did not inherit Winterfell nor 
did his children inherit, so, 

2037
01:47:23,300 --> 01:47:26,700
what the heck happened there? 
Because it went past. 

2038
01:47:26,700 --> 01:47:30,000
Jonna laughter jonalyn, Sansa 
didn't have children and Donald 

2039
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:32,400
died. 
It passed Abarth again, who was 

2040
01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:34,700
the third son, Barth black 
sword? 

2041
01:47:35,900 --> 01:47:38,200
So, how did Barth get it over 
all those other people? 

2042
01:47:38,300 --> 01:47:41,800
Something smells fishy here, it 
sounds like a usurpation. 

2043
01:47:41,800 --> 01:47:45,700
Or some and Barth was was killed
in a rebellion, which may have 

2044
01:47:45,700 --> 01:47:47,600
happened because he didn't have 
a strong. 

2045
01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:49,400
Hold on the North. 
Mmm. 

2046
01:47:51,400 --> 01:47:53,600
Black sword, sounds maybe a 
little villainous, you know, 

2047
01:47:53,600 --> 01:47:55,800
maybe like he earned that 
nickname for doing something 

2048
01:47:55,800 --> 01:48:00,000
bad, Brandon was next and 
Brandon is the one that's all 

2049
01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:02,100
passes through. 
He marries a different Alice 

2050
01:48:02,100 --> 01:48:03,400
karstark, obviously a different 
Alice. 

2051
01:48:03,400 --> 01:48:06,200
Karstark were talking 100 years 
prior to the one in the song of 

2052
01:48:06,200 --> 01:48:09,500
ice and fire. 
But it's yeah, there's a few 

2053
01:48:09,500 --> 01:48:12,900
Alice's and a few Alice. 
Karstarks apparently Brandon has

2054
01:48:13,400 --> 01:48:15,000
and Alice have three children 
together. 

2055
01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:17,700
Brandon has a fourth child 
before marrying Ellis karstark 

2056
01:48:17,700 --> 01:48:20,400
named Lionel. 
Snow with someone named Willa FN

2057
01:48:20,400 --> 01:48:24,800
another Willa thrown in there 
with a snow, but the three 

2058
01:48:24,800 --> 01:48:30,700
trueborn children were Rodwell 
bear on and RC Rodwell did not 

2059
01:48:30,700 --> 01:48:33,600
grow up to be a porn star but 
probably should have. 

2060
01:48:34,700 --> 01:48:41,800
Yeah, bear on is the one dying 
from a wound suffered by the by 

2061
01:48:41,800 --> 01:48:45,800
fighting the ironborn when the 
she-wolves of Winterfell is 

2062
01:48:45,800 --> 01:48:49,600
supposed to be starting that 
which is a unfinished. 

2063
01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:53,100
Tentatively titled episode of 
dunk and egg. 

2064
01:48:53,100 --> 01:48:56,500
Lots of interesting stories 
there and they may go beyond the

2065
01:48:56,500 --> 01:49:02,100
life of of creegan now. 
Brandon was born in 1883 Revenue

2066
01:49:02,300 --> 01:49:04,500
at the very earliest so he 
might've been born later than 

2067
01:49:04,500 --> 01:49:07,000
that. 23 is the earliest I could
have been born which tells us 

2068
01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:09,500
Cragen lived at least that long 
or at least long enough least 

2069
01:49:09,500 --> 01:49:11,500
2182. 
He could have potentially died 

2070
01:49:11,500 --> 01:49:14,900
before Brandon porn but he least
live long enough to impregnate 

2071
01:49:14,900 --> 01:49:19,300
Lenora with Brandon So if he 
died, then he would have been 

2072
01:49:19,300 --> 01:49:21,300
75. 
But he probably lived beyond 

2073
01:49:21,300 --> 01:49:22,300
that. 
And again, Brandon would 

2074
01:49:22,300 --> 01:49:24,900
probably born ready. 
So that means his father and 

2075
01:49:24,900 --> 01:49:26,800
children in the 70s. 
If not later. 

2076
01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:32,200
But since bear on was dying at 
the beginning of she-wolves of 

2077
01:49:32,208 --> 01:49:35,400
Winterfell Brandon had to have 
at least been old enough to 

2078
01:49:35,400 --> 01:49:38,200
Father, a son and for that son 
to grow up and face the ironborn

2079
01:49:38,200 --> 01:49:40,600
in battle. 
But you probably do at least 

2080
01:49:40,900 --> 01:49:42,900
until he was at least 16 or 
something. 

2081
01:49:43,200 --> 01:49:45,700
Very earliest. 
So that doesn't give us a whole 

2082
01:49:45,700 --> 01:49:50,200
lot of room to work with. 
And as I said, beginning, He did

2083
01:49:50,200 --> 01:49:53,700
not live to the year 200 because
jonel was definitely Lord before

2084
01:49:53,700 --> 01:49:57,300
the end of the century. 
Unless of course, you know Craig

2085
01:49:57,300 --> 01:50:00,400
and might have abdicated and 
taking the black like jeor 

2086
01:50:00,400 --> 01:50:01,800
Mormont. 
There's always a small chance of

2087
01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:04,500
that. 
But that's a guest, no no reason

2088
01:50:04,500 --> 01:50:07,600
to suspect that other than it 
happens occasionally what that 

2089
01:50:07,600 --> 01:50:10,600
tells us those creeks and lived 
through the reign of egg on the 

2090
01:50:10,600 --> 01:50:13,600
force. 
So all these things about seeing

2091
01:50:13,600 --> 01:50:17,300
the signs of rebellions, seeing 
the seeds planted and being able

2092
01:50:17,300 --> 01:50:20,100
to interpret it properly. 
This older man, Man, who's seen 

2093
01:50:20,100 --> 01:50:24,400
it all his wisdom gained Through
the Ages seen lots of civil 

2094
01:50:24,400 --> 01:50:27,600
conflict and the seeds that are 
planted that eventually grow 

2095
01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:31,200
into that conflict. 
I think he saw it coming, I 

2096
01:50:31,208 --> 01:50:34,600
think he did stuff, I don't know
what but maybe that's why the 

2097
01:50:34,600 --> 01:50:40,100
Starks have no record of 
appearing in the black firebugs.

2098
01:50:40,200 --> 01:50:42,300
Maybe Craig was like look ya'll 
I see this coming. 

2099
01:50:42,300 --> 01:50:45,100
Stay out of it, on the other 
hand, all this tumult in the 

2100
01:50:45,100 --> 01:50:47,200
north. 
They may have just been too busy

2101
01:50:47,200 --> 01:50:49,300
with their own stuff going on. 
You may not have been able to 

2102
01:50:49,300 --> 01:50:53,100
participate but man what would a
Cragen have thought of aegon the

2103
01:50:53,100 --> 01:50:56,000
fourth as much as you like egg 
on the 3rd and the 4th has all 

2104
01:50:56,000 --> 01:50:57,500
these values will be no one 
likes. 

2105
01:50:57,500 --> 01:51:00,500
Aegon, the fourth really For 
other ambitious people that can 

2106
01:51:00,500 --> 01:51:06,400
use him for their own means. 
But I mean at the end of our run

2107
01:51:06,400 --> 01:51:10,400
through under the dragons, 52 
129 we talked about how like, 

2108
01:51:10,400 --> 01:51:14,900
out of all the Starks there was 
just no known incidents of like,

2109
01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:19,600
drunkards or lots of sleeping 
around lots of bass, there's 

2110
01:51:19,600 --> 01:51:23,100
definitely some but not lots of 
but nothing remotely on the 

2111
01:51:23,108 --> 01:51:24,900
level of aegon. 
The fourth though, I mean that 

2112
01:51:24,900 --> 01:51:28,200
guy's in his own time he almost 
puts Robert Baratheon to shame 

2113
01:51:29,600 --> 01:51:33,600
So what would they think? 
I mean, tolerated Roberts, 

2114
01:51:34,500 --> 01:51:36,500
Behavior. 
Sort of what wood creaking think

2115
01:51:36,500 --> 01:51:38,200
freaking to know Ned. 
You know, he's a lot different 

2116
01:51:38,200 --> 01:51:40,800
than that. 
He ruled a long time and saw 

2117
01:51:40,900 --> 01:51:44,200
lived a lot, much longer life 
saw a lot more Civil Wars, a lot

2118
01:51:44,200 --> 01:51:45,800
more children. 
Just so many things. 

2119
01:51:45,800 --> 01:51:48,100
You know, you wouldn't want his 
children fighting in those words

2120
01:51:48,100 --> 01:51:50,700
for the targaryens, you know, 
what's the point? 

2121
01:51:50,700 --> 01:51:53,700
What did it, what good did it? 
Do them to march South back? 

2122
01:51:53,700 --> 01:51:56,900
And well, got him a wife, some 
children, but that didn't 

2123
01:51:56,900 --> 01:51:58,400
happen. 
That didn't happen. 

2124
01:51:58,500 --> 01:52:00,500
Happened to him because the 
warlike they could have happened

2125
01:52:00,500 --> 01:52:05,300
but for other reasons, right? 
So Civil War happened in the 

2126
01:52:05,300 --> 01:52:09,100
dance because of negligence, the
saris didn't do enough to stop 

2127
01:52:09,100 --> 01:52:12,100
it and did things that allowed 
it to happen. 

2128
01:52:12,100 --> 01:52:16,600
He wasn't trying to set that up 
though, wasn't his goal egg on 

2129
01:52:16,600 --> 01:52:21,500
the fourth Bell. 
I hey if it wasn't one to 

2130
01:52:21,500 --> 01:52:24,700
negligence it may have been 
intentionally made been like 

2131
01:52:24,700 --> 01:52:27,800
yeah, I'm setting this all up. 
I want them to fight over it 

2132
01:52:27,800 --> 01:52:30,600
when I'm gone. 
On Alexander the Great kind of 

2133
01:52:30,600 --> 01:52:34,700
did that too. 
So maybe history isn't sure. 

2134
01:52:36,000 --> 01:52:41,400
So, what's his legacy? 
It's difficult to get a handle 

2135
01:52:41,400 --> 01:52:45,600
on him because His later life 
would be what? 

2136
01:52:45,600 --> 01:52:48,700
People remember even more 
because, and how he left the nor

2137
01:52:48,700 --> 01:52:50,800
what shape he left. 
And when he died is going to be 

2138
01:52:50,800 --> 01:52:54,500
more remembered than what he 
didn't lose 20 because his life 

2139
01:52:54,500 --> 01:52:57,700
was so long if those things were
close together. 

2140
01:52:57,700 --> 01:53:01,200
They may all be remembered again
but given the bias we saw from 

2141
01:53:01,200 --> 01:53:05,200
the Mesa resources towards 
Northerners in general to the 

2142
01:53:05,200 --> 01:53:10,500
true telling haha May yet to 
come maybe Yet to Come yeah it 

2143
01:53:10,500 --> 01:53:12,800
certainly was laid to rest in 
the crypts of Winterfell of 

2144
01:53:12,800 --> 01:53:14,400
course. 
Yes, but there's still so much, 

2145
01:53:14,400 --> 01:53:17,300
we don't know in between there 
hasn't been another Stark name 

2146
01:53:17,300 --> 01:53:21,500
Creek and since that we know of 
which is a little peculiar but 

2147
01:53:21,500 --> 01:53:23,100
there was a Kree guard and I 
don't know. 

2148
01:53:23,100 --> 01:53:24,800
They're just like that name. 
Kind of sucks. 

2149
01:53:24,800 --> 01:53:26,600
We like the dude, but not the 
name. 

2150
01:53:27,400 --> 01:53:31,100
So I wouldn't read too much into
that but it is Is possible, he's

2151
01:53:31,100 --> 01:53:36,500
not remembered so fondly, he's a
towering historical figure, but 

2152
01:53:36,500 --> 01:53:39,900
in that fog that's second half 
of his life, maybe he made some 

2153
01:53:39,900 --> 01:53:41,500
regrettable decisions or unlucky
ones. 

2154
01:53:41,500 --> 01:53:46,200
Maybe his decision-making is 
blamed for or legitimately at 

2155
01:53:46,200 --> 01:53:48,600
fault for the tumult that 
followed maybe he made. 

2156
01:53:48,600 --> 01:53:51,700
Bad decisions, maybe remarrying 
was a bad idea. 

2157
01:53:51,700 --> 01:53:53,800
Me people said don't do that and
he did it. 

2158
01:53:53,800 --> 01:53:57,000
Anyway, maybe people told him to
stop having sons and he did it 

2159
01:53:57,000 --> 01:53:59,900
anyway. 
Maybe it's just all dorky name. 

2160
01:54:00,400 --> 01:54:05,400
Hahaha. 
It fits what little we do know 

2161
01:54:05,400 --> 01:54:07,400
because. 
Yeah, because things did go 

2162
01:54:07,400 --> 01:54:11,000
badly so you could see people 
blaming them for It, Maybe not, 

2163
01:54:11,100 --> 01:54:13,500
maybe the mean the some of those
seeds were planted. 

2164
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:18,400
Well, before that, no, There can
be problems when there are lots 

2165
01:54:18,400 --> 01:54:21,500
of claimants mixed with 
uncertainty, especially when 

2166
01:54:21,500 --> 01:54:24,500
uncertainty can be fabricated by
that. 

2167
01:54:24,500 --> 01:54:29,900
I mean like how the maesters are
our source for a lot of what we 

2168
01:54:29,900 --> 01:54:33,100
know in creegan and it it's 
filtered through their own bias 

2169
01:54:33,100 --> 01:54:35,800
may not be as accurate. 
So George left, a lot of this 

2170
01:54:35,800 --> 01:54:38,400
open for now. 
You can see how rich it is, 

2171
01:54:38,400 --> 01:54:41,700
though it's extremely rich. 
It's extremely deep soil. 

2172
01:54:41,700 --> 01:54:45,000
He's planted is full of 
nutrients in the narrative 

2173
01:54:45,000 --> 01:54:49,700
plants that will grow from this.
This are strong even if you know

2174
01:54:49,700 --> 01:54:53,000
we don't get them for a while or
the sourcing is different. 

2175
01:54:53,800 --> 01:54:55,700
He doesn't have to lay a lot of 
detail for the groundwork to be 

2176
01:54:55,708 --> 01:54:57,200
strong. 
Detail comes later. 

2177
01:54:57,300 --> 01:55:01,100
Like a lot of topics we cover. 
There will be a day when it's 

2178
01:55:01,100 --> 01:55:03,700
worth. 
Revisiting thanks to these gaps 

2179
01:55:03,700 --> 01:55:07,500
being filled in this context 
being added blood and fire would

2180
01:55:07,500 --> 01:55:09,400
be a huge one to fill in a lot 
more of this. 

2181
01:55:09,400 --> 01:55:12,800
He should be in most of the book
half of it, I guess. 

2182
01:55:13,800 --> 01:55:18,800
Yeah because it'll go from 130 
till about Like 135 136 till 

2183
01:55:18,800 --> 01:55:22,500
283? 
Yeah, be in about happening. 

2184
01:55:23,700 --> 01:55:24,900
That'd be great. 
Can't wait. 

2185
01:55:25,000 --> 01:55:27,400
But whatever. 
The future brings for this. 

2186
01:55:27,400 --> 01:55:31,600
Fandom will be there. 
One last note, I had no idea 

2187
01:55:31,600 --> 01:55:34,800
where to place because it's not 
dating but it works pretty well 

2188
01:55:34,800 --> 01:55:38,600
as a mystery footnote a good 
thing to leave things on a 

2189
01:55:38,600 --> 01:55:41,800
certain Meister Kenneth's. 
Was it Winterfell? 

2190
01:55:41,800 --> 01:55:45,300
At some point during Lord, 
Kragen's rain, he studied the 

2191
01:55:45,300 --> 01:55:51,400
bongs and barrows and Graves of 
the first men and that included 

2192
01:55:51,400 --> 01:55:55,300
the discovery or perhaps 
rediscovery of giants bones 

2193
01:55:55,300 --> 01:55:57,500
among them. 
The book he wrote was called 

2194
01:55:57,500 --> 01:55:59,700
passages of the dead. 
That's a pickup. 

2195
01:56:00,700 --> 01:56:12,200
Yeah, yes, you're right. 
It's actually very good and the 

2196
01:56:12,200 --> 01:56:14,900
written word passages. 
Yeah, that's pretty anyway 

2197
01:56:14,900 --> 01:56:15,800
houses. 
Yeah, yes. 

2198
01:56:15,800 --> 01:56:18,000
Yeah, exactly. 
It's like a was actually about a

2199
01:56:18,000 --> 01:56:21,500
plan on a few levels. 
It's very clever in my book, but

2200
01:56:21,500 --> 01:56:22,900
for Meister. 
Kennett. 

2201
01:56:22,900 --> 01:56:26,700
Yeah. 
So was this controversial like 

2202
01:56:26,700 --> 01:56:29,300
this book in the north? 
I mean, I don't know if 

2203
01:56:29,300 --> 01:56:33,900
northerner, Too keen on dudes, 
digging around and old grapes. 

2204
01:56:33,900 --> 01:56:36,500
I don't know if that would be a 
popular thing but Cregan allowed

2205
01:56:36,500 --> 01:56:38,900
it. 
So I wonder why I wonder if he 

2206
01:56:38,907 --> 01:56:40,700
thought there was information to
be gleaned. 

2207
01:56:40,700 --> 01:56:42,800
What was he curious about? 
Did he specifically asked for 

2208
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this or did the measure just 
say, hey, I want to study this 

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brigands like that. 
Go for it bro. 

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Or was Cragen actually 
interested in the results or 

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perhaps, he even commissioned 
the study in the first place 

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worse. 
Though. 

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Think of egrets claim that 
searching old tune Teams for the

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whole Horn of winter Unleashed, 
quote-unquote shades on the 

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01:57:03,100 --> 01:57:06,300
world. 
Foreshadowing, or did something 

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01:57:06,300 --> 01:57:10,200
similar happened here? 
I mean, Others weren't Unleashed

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01:57:10,200 --> 01:57:13,600
in Graves. 
The first men of barrows, you 

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01:57:13,608 --> 01:57:16,400
know, that's that's south of the
wall by a long way. 

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It's not the point, but it it is
relevant to that, it is related 

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to that. 
It's a reminder, that the very 

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least. 
There are Graves all over the 

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01:57:24,100 --> 01:57:27,800
north, whether that's meant to 
be symbolic foreshadowing, or 

2223
01:57:27,800 --> 01:57:30,800
little both. 
It could be just consequences 

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implied for disturbing these old
bones. 

2225
01:57:35,500 --> 01:57:38,000
Yeah, it may not have finished 
their passages yet. 

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Okay folks that is our episode. 
Let's have a trivia answer for 

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y'all. 
Me question again was what title

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01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:53,500
is held by the person. 
Cersei learned the definition of

2229
01:57:53,500 --> 01:57:59,300
valonqar from Their name was in 
this episode and that name is 

2230
01:57:59,300 --> 01:58:01,600
SEPTA serenella. 
That's right. 

2231
01:58:01,600 --> 01:58:04,200
SEPTA Sarah. 
No, it's whole are time but no 

2232
01:58:04,200 --> 01:58:06,200
one guessed it. 
Mmm, there's a pretty hard one. 

2233
01:58:06,200 --> 01:58:07,400
That's is one of the most about 
that. 

2234
01:58:07,400 --> 01:58:10,400
Most people got was like amazed 
herceptin. 

2235
01:58:10,500 --> 01:58:12,400
Yeah. 
I think they said subdomains and

2236
01:58:12,400 --> 01:58:14,800
SEPTA. 
They said septon and yep. 

2237
01:58:15,300 --> 01:58:16,900
That was only a guess. 
And they were like, still 

2238
01:58:16,900 --> 01:58:19,400
contemplating be should. 
People should have made me 

2239
01:58:19,400 --> 01:58:21,700
realize that sir, she'd be more 
likely to talk to a scepter than

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acceptance. 
Yeah, girl. 

2241
01:58:23,800 --> 01:58:26,600
Yeah. 
But that was very tough. 

2242
01:58:26,800 --> 01:58:29,400
I kind of didn't expect. 
I figured is a good chance node 

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01:58:29,400 --> 01:58:31,000
at that, but that's part of the 
fun. 

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01:58:31,200 --> 01:58:33,300
I'll make them hard, sometimes 
make them. 

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01:58:33,600 --> 01:58:38,700
Well I ever make them easy, make
less hard some next week, free 

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01:58:38,700 --> 01:58:42,300
city of cohort or city of blood,
Magic City of Valyrian steel 

2247
01:58:42,400 --> 01:58:47,400
city, where the unsullied came 
to fame, you know, they don't 

2248
01:58:47,400 --> 01:58:51,200
originate their City Once sacked
by the golden company. 

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01:58:51,600 --> 01:58:54,300
Lots to say, they're positioned 
in the deep dark forest with 

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cohorts. 
A lot of fun, a lot of 

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world-building in that episode 
and we will see you then. 

2252
01:59:00,900 --> 01:59:05,800
Also mentioned in this episode. 
If you want to stay immersed in 

2253
01:59:05,900 --> 01:59:08,500
the history of Westeros. 
The crypts of Winterfell is a 

2254
01:59:08,500 --> 01:59:11,400
great one for this topic. 
So is the hour of the wolf if 

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01:59:11,400 --> 01:59:15,000
you really want to stay with 
creegan and of course, the both 

2256
01:59:15,000 --> 01:59:16,900
under the dragons episodes, keep
you? 

2257
01:59:16,900 --> 01:59:20,800
Well, versed in how Stark the 
first one covers the period of a

2258
01:59:20,800 --> 01:59:24,200
see one Desi. 52nd, one picks 
right up, where it left off 

2259
01:59:24,400 --> 01:59:28,400
going from 51 to 129. 
So lots of material there, 

2260
01:59:28,400 --> 01:59:30,500
that's over six hours of 
Starkey. 

2261
01:59:30,700 --> 01:59:33,000
Goodness there for you. 
And of course, we have plenty of

2262
01:59:33,000 --> 01:59:36,100
other topics that have more to 
do with the Starks or nothing to

2263
01:59:36,108 --> 01:59:40,900
do with Starks. 
Take your pick and enjoy, thanks

2264
01:59:40,900 --> 01:59:43,800
to anyone who supports us on 
patreon or Spotify. 

2265
01:59:43,800 --> 01:59:46,800
Thanks to Nina for the notes and
great takes. 

2266
01:59:46,800 --> 01:59:48,600
We always discuss a lot of these
things ahead of time. 

2267
01:59:48,600 --> 01:59:52,400
Helps me get my thoughts in 
order Joey, Jesse and brand. 

2268
01:59:52,400 --> 01:59:58,200
Thanks to you all for the music.
Both intro, outro and various 

2269
01:59:58,200 --> 01:59:59,600
forms. 
We've had a lot of different 

2270
01:59:59,600 --> 02:00:02,500
takes on our From music. 
So great to have what a 

2271
02:00:02,500 --> 02:00:04,700
blessing, Michael Clarke fell a 
shout-out. 

2272
02:00:04,700 --> 02:00:08,300
To you, our friend maps that she
behind us. 

2273
02:00:08,400 --> 02:00:12,000
Almost every episode our his 
doing, get them player talks 

2274
02:00:12,000 --> 02:00:15,200
about 80 that's with AK and 
Annex. 

2275
02:00:16,100 --> 02:00:19,500
Oh yeah, I'm fine spelling. 
Yes, thanks as well. 

2276
02:00:19,500 --> 02:00:22,500
To buy coal for the original for
our other video intros. 

2277
02:00:22,500 --> 02:00:24,400
Well, I've got so many video, 
intros and music. 

2278
02:00:24,400 --> 02:00:27,900
Intros to shout out ninja. 
Do you see today is the one my 

2279
02:00:27,900 --> 02:00:32,500
pleasure, that's right. 
And we'll see you all next week 

2280
02:00:32,500 --> 02:00:33,900
for more. 
You know, what to do in the 

2281
02:00:33,900 --> 02:00:39,300
meantime, I highly encourage. 
As always you to Valar reread 

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02:00:39,300 --> 02:00:39,800
us,