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The so-called great Bastards of 
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The fourth, the Unworthy are the
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noblewomen, he had children with
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course. 
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children, only for that, we know
of spent any significant time at

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court, three, of course, were 
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Rebellion is while one our 
subject today at a more 

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mysterious Roll. 
Possibly a huge one, possibly a 

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distant calculatedly distant, 
one recently. 

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We spoke of how Celtic are or 
Celtic are both of them. 

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We spoke of both of them and an 
excellent example of soft power 

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rather than wielding Direct 
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cities, castles armies, other 
Lords and such they wield power 

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over the people who do have 
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Today's subject, share a sea 
star was far away, but I think 

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it's, I think it's Cherokee 
star. 

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Key in our I'm sorry. 
That's right. 

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Kiera. 
Key car. 

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Keytar. 
Far from Toys. 

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She's today's Cub jacked. 
Ha ha ha. 

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Yeah. 
This is difficult if it's all 

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Tiff assault. 
Yes. 

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What's up? 
She was far from impoverished 

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but she didn't wield great. 
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from extraordinary birth, 
extraordinary beauty and the 

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fortitude to make use of both at
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matters. 
Most she was a A clever person, 

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not to mention the rumor. 
She and her mother used sorcery 

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and that she and bloodraven used
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Well, think about play with what
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used and in what? 
Circumstances? 

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Because we're not entirely, I 
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It was a rumor. 
He was a little more than rumor 

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I'd say. 
But a strong rumor, she lived 

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during just because you're 
paranoid, doesn't mean they're 

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not a yes, just because it's a 
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really a star. 
Thank you. 

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And Nirvana for that one. 
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Not to mention the room yet. 
That they use sorcery. 

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And we'll think about kinds of 
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She lived during the type of 
during the era rather we're 

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Dragon dreams were prominent and
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was a lot of mistrust and 
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especially in the, in around the
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Keep she as characters, written 
by George r.r., Martin are known

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to do flips, the script on 
beautiful women. 

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In a patriarchal society, far 
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marrying into Power. 
She went her own way and reap 

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the rewards of being single and 
all she bucked the system and it

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seemed to work out pretty well 
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We are left with a lot of gaps 
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Some caveats are to be made 
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greatest beauty of her age. 
She was she was highly 

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intelligent. 
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possessed an Arcane library that
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Meanwhile the most treasured 
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vulgar. 
I like to think it's because the

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pursuit of wealth is 
Distraction, you know, she was 

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interested in higher arts and 
intellectual things and I don't 

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know. 
I'm just guessing though and 

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that's what we have to do. 
A lot of today is make some 

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guesses, but two of the biggest 
pursuers of her hand in marriage

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were none, other than bloodraven
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course, and Targaryen, family 
tradition, all siblings of each 

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other. 
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still Yeah, it's still incest 
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towards each other better, 
stealing bloodraven. 

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They hated each other. 
And she era, apparently enjoyed,

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pitting them against each other 
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With all things said about her, 
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salt maesters and historians 
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type of person very well and 
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writes it but her influence over
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Her half-siblings is cited as a 
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Rebellion. 
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it's not entirely untrue. 
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well. 
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himself thought of his 
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who was a good 10 or so years 
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So we'll have to think about 
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A few stabs at what that might 
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all this mystery and Intrigue 
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curiosity, to a character 
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Westeros. 
Cast. 

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Hello and welcome everybody back
again with another episode that 

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I hope you will find highly 
entertaining, and informative 

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and whatever other positive 
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Do you want to apply to it? 
I think we're open to it. 

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John, how's it going? 
We're fresh back from Ice and 

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Fire con. 
The three of us will throw in an

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anecdote or two around. 
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Time, We Didn't Do It. 
Full ice and fire kind up. 

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So this time we occasionally do 
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be said but we didn't have like 
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Peterson attendance this time 
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that most people hadn't heard 
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much we can talk about, you 
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But there are few things we say 
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Yeah. 
You got any beverage today or 

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anything. 
You want to talk about? 

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The kick us off. 
I've got a list of things one. 

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I didn't want people who didn't 
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new shirt. 
The razor that's great. 

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Yeah, you know, that maybe not 
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you know, parties and fun times 
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And and some of you just kind of
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like the musical that they do. 
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of the panels that I went to 
we're inspiring and some of the 

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ones that I did I'm like, 
stewing over. 

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Can we make an episode about 
prisoner? 

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Oh yes, I'm sure we got really 
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Like it's not possible to cover 
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Yeah, that's nice. 
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there and you, you have like 
less time far less time than you

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have and just a single podcast 
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You know, that's the nature of 
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I guess they don't have the 
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to find right now but I got Red 
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doctor. 
Pepper and a naked drink but 

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also just because I'm worried 
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then people got a taste of my 
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At the con might have been too 
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I have soy sauce mixed with 
pickle juice. 

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What? 
No, no, I want you to pull and 

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ask people if I should sip it 
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shot all at once. 
Okay, I'll take a little sip now

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just to prove him. 
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I really love story sauce 
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He's just spending bass is some 
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Wow, that is yikes. 
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conversation that calm that, you
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I have sushi, when I get done, 
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I drink the rest of it because I
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I don't want to go to waste. 
I said in the post could Sean 

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sip or take it as a shot and I 
give you answers as shot sip 

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for. 
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so far, for sure. 
For sure it's in the leaving 13,

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it's gonna be shot. 
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whatever. 
Want you to get this over with? 

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I want to see because I like the
flavor something. 

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But I thought other people. 
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Like the flavor of soy sauce. 
Right now shares. 

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The store has her secrets to 
Eternal Beauty. 

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I have my hair, so, I guess 
you're doing. 

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The shot was voted for sip. 
Didn't shot. 

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Gosh she are, I'll do it quicker
your but I do have another on 

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topic point that I'm trying to 
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Oh my God. 
He's doing. 

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That's a long shot that took 
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Now, is might have been wearing 
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Mmm. 
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which had a little bit more. 
We're gonna be talking about one

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of the topics in this episode is
bathing in blood to keep your 

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beauty like this is far grosser 
than what Is a good voice. 

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Austin is a good response hear 
from Karen Hightower who we met 

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at the con and who had your 
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She said, Sean, I know you'll 
read this later. 

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I know, I promised I wouldn't 
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at the con was so good, but 
you've taken it too far. 

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Speaking of bangs, it's funny. 
Yes. 

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They as we mentioned in a 
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They did lose some big lawsuit 
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was because of what you said 
Shawn, right? 

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They don't, they don't really 
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In the drink. 
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we want to go to Target right 
before the con and to bring 

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drinks to the Congress for 
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What do we do at when we see at 
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where you check out and buy 
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A bunch of Bank sitting there to
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So we bought those of course as 
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consumed him. 
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Got to have some Roswell Target 
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I had my first Shawn drink 
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drink bar and I just forgot to 
get a drink that I never tried 

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it. 
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pretty good. 
I was tasting. 

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It was just hanging out a lot 
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pickle juice. 
Yeah, I'm not trying that. 

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So anyway, let's get to it. 
Heading on topic point, I want 

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to make is they don't think we 
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remember that quote about. 
I don't think of some share 

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herself said, but someone 
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goal was born. 
That was quote from himself. 

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So yeah, it's direct okay, okay.
Yeah, I just hadn't thought 

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about it much until you brought 
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Just now, I don't think we have 
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So if you don't And I just a 
quick thought on it, I wonder if

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there's some amount of like 
parallel there to like sand or 

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kind of having this disdain for 
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knight. 
I kind of, you know, she is sort

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of this royalty that you can 
just pull up just privileged 

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position but maybe she still has
his disdain for the. 

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Yeah, I agree with you if she 
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thought about Robert Baratheon, 
but I'm just thinking of her 

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perspective being kind of like 
sand or is like if Robert 

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Baratheon is her father was a 
gandhian towards my goal. 

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Gold. 
Yeah. 

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It's a he's adorned by gold 
screw this here and I like, um, 

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yeah, with a night. 
Screw the gold. 

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Yeah, exactly. 
I totally agree with you. 

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I the more I was right working 
steps. 

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With the more I got picture of 
my head. 

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Canon was of someone that just 
thinks this is also really 

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stupid and that everyone liked 
politics and all this family 

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squabbling and their system of 
Monarch, she's just thought it 

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was all stupid. 
I've got books. 

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Like, this is smarter, this is a
better use of my time because 

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she seems to be very neutral. 
Like, when the war's 

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everything's happened with 
nothing on her, taking sides, or

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at least maybe, Both sides if 
anything. 

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Yeah, she's just like this is 
just entertainment because it's 

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just so dumb. 
Like, you guys are idiots, like 

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I'm not going to marry. 
You marriage is stupid? 

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Why would I marry you? 
It's dumb from. 

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It's a bad choice for me given 
society and way everything 

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works. 
Like, why would I do that? 

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Well, so two things happen that 
might be. 

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And I mention this later on when
we're going through some stuff. 

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But I wonder if she might have 
also had some influence of a 

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vision of a prophecy. 
I want, I might as well. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah, whether it's, that might 

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make her think. 
Think less of the goal because 

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she's like, there's more 
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think less of like marriage or 
some ain't even personal love or

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whatever because it's like, we 
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in cells. 
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some of these characters might 
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she's a sorcerer, you know, 
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course, bloodraven presents this
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was Lover, you know, and she, 
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magic together and she lived. 
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prophecy was rediscovered, like 
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that. 
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detail as move through this 
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That's all in good fun. 
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some great thoughts of this 
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Does her blog is that good? 
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that's one. 
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on of a serous. 
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sheer as uncle and she talks 
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elder brother and how that would
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his death. 
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with itself. 
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that out as well as a lot of 
other great blog posts. 

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If the episode ends, anyone stay
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We've got you covered with 
suggestions for topics related 

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to share a sea star will list 
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We'll be talking about an 
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It's a combination of a sort of 
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But of parallels episode, we do 
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more of a parallels episode but 
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Ice and Fire. 
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discuss parallels between the 
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little bit of the Targaryen 
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buyers and the Mandalorian Civil
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So we're going to get into some 
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anyway, so it kind of fits our 
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So that episode was not voted on
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is of course, votes on most 
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for upcoming episode topic. 
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to participate in that, I will 
say him and and or so. 

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If we can find some parallels to
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sand. 
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name is. 
That's all I got. 

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Yeah, a trivia question also. 
So is it the end? 

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The answer is at the end of this
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bathe in Bolton blood. 
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not meaning to take an actual 
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It's a metaphor for revenge, on 
the bones. 

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Several women are rumored to 
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including our subject today 
shiera Seastar but also Danelle 

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lost in Alice Rivers even Danny 
as that rumor said about her 

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Allison was rumored to have one 
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wife and children. 
Some of those rumors might even 

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be true. 
Two men, we know to have for 

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sure, bathed in Blood In A Song 
of Ice and Fire. 

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Can you name one or both of 
these men as we so often. 

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Do we start with first mention? 
Here we go. 

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With a nice quote to get a start
Daenerys. 

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Targaryen loved her Captain but 
that was the girl in her. 

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Not the queen Prince rhaegar 
loved, his lady Rihanna and 

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thousands died for it. 
Daemon blackfyre. 

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Loved the first Daenerys and Is 
in Rebellion. 

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When denied her bittersteel and 
bloodraven, both love, share a 

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sea star and the Seven Kingdoms 
bled. 

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The prince of dragonflies loved 
Jenny of old Stones so much he 

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cast aside a crown and Westeros 
paid the bride price in corpses.

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All three of the sons of the 
fifth aegon had wed for love in 

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defiance of their father's 
wishes and because that unlikely

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Monarch had himself followed his
heart when he He chose his 

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Queen, he allowed his sons to 
have their way making bitter 

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enemies where he might have had 
Fast Friends treason and 

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turmoil. 
Followed as night follows day, 

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ending at summer, haul in 
sorcery, fire and Grief, Lots of

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impact with that quote. 
First of all, just the fact that

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she era is connected or listed 
alongside some of these greatest

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tragedies in Westeros history. 
Rate of Civil Wars is pretty 

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tough. 
Going on the other hand, it 

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seems to be exaggerated. 
The blackfyre Rebellion is 

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weren't rooted in bloodraven and
bittersteel both loving shears. 

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He star it played a role in 
their rivalry but take share a 

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sea star completely out of the 
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blackfyre Rebellion for sure and
there's still probably the rest 

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as well. 
It probably doesn't change a 

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whole lot but I mean look at 
this example. 

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But he says Daemon blackfyre, 
love the first Daenerys and Rose

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in Rebellion when denied her, 
that is just false. 

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That didn't, that's not what He 
was denied her yes, but he 

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didn't rise in Rebellion to like
eight years after Daenerys, got 

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married to the prince of Dorne 
so that's not it. 

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The evidence for that is not 
very strong. 

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The source for this quote, of 
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Bear, arson has all sorts of 
wrong ideas about love and 

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romance as a man who's never had
either and has was forced to 

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give those things up as a 
kingsguard. 

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I detect a little bit of sour 
grapes and all this. 

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Like, yes, he wants, you know, 
dangerous love is, that's why 

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it's good. 
To be a kingsguard because you 

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don't to deal with any of that. 
So there are some not only as an

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experienced with it, he gets a 
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think there's also little just 
denial of the truth of all this 

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because it suits his fomo. 
Maybe I would even want to try 

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to spin it more positively than 
that. 

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It's just the filter he has. 
You lived his whole life with 

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this idea that like people, when
he's key positions of power and 

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responsibility can't get to 
mixed up in emotional. 

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Mentuk relationships because it 
gets in a way. 

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I mean, do you think Amon has 
sour grapes? 

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Hmm. 
You know like he had a similar 

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mentality but I don't think we 
spent him negatively. 

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Yeah. 
And we know it's going to talk 

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about it, you know, certain 
point not to necessarily spend 

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barisan totally positive. 
He maybe is being a little 

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dishonest with himself, but, but
I don't think it's like right 

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now he's lying to himself 
because he wants to get Dario 

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agree, I think through his life,
he has established this mindset 

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and he's applying it to Dario 
personal. 

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Ation ships can really screw 
things up and caused Great 

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turmoil within a realm. 
Like just two peoples romances 

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can cause everything to go 
wrong. 

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He's right about that. 
Even if his specific examples 

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are a little exaggerated, even 
if he's pushing the point little

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far, he's right in general that 
relationships just two peoples 

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falling out and caused the Civil
War or two people fighting over 

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a lover or being jilted. 
Yeah. 

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Like all those things true like 
Robert Baratheon and lyanna like

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that's his rage towards rhaegar 
was Beyond Reason. 

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Because of partly because of 
things that weren't even true. 

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But yeah, how we interpret, his 
thoughts from, I don't know, 

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like a literary analysis way or 
a, like a wisdom of leading way.

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There's also the we're trying to
suss out the history of things 

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way and this it's us as far as 
the details of History. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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So Nina agrees that Daemon 
blackfyre represented a truly 

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different political position 
from that of dare on the second 

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and that had way more to do with
why war broke out. 

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It was the The way people 
treated the dornish versus the 

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falling off of Knightly virtues 
and a whole lot of things, we 

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talked about it in there on the 
good episode in our, blackfyre 

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Rebellion Series. 
So yeah. 

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And the same goes for this 
tragedy of summerhall. 

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As you mentioned here, Shawn 
that's yes. 

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Summer haul happened and it was 
a huge tragedy but pinning it 

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all on allowing people to marry 
for love is going too far. 

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That was it was a factor but 
putting it all on that. 

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It's no that's eggs. 
Dreams didn't come from jilted 

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Love and his planned to hatched 
dragons wasn't born from his 

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kids falling in love outside of 
their marital or you know, Royal

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obligation exactly. 
As far as we know, Matt might be

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interesting to find out why 
there's some hot summer haul 

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that bears, the nose. 
And we don't, yeah, you know, 

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that's a good point because 
barristan was alive during 

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summer home. 
He was he wasn't there, but he 

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was a teenager when it happened.
So, So, he was, yeah, he has a 

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little more. 
He would have more insight to it

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than than we've gotten at this 
point. 

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I do hope he thinks about it as 
well. 

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So, embarrassed in again, as I 
said he doesn't have a lot of 

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experience with well, any 
experience with relationships 

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really or women so does that 
apply to Masters who are the 

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main source here? 
This is a carrot type of 

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character that they don't 
understand. 

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Well I mean they don't 
understand a lot of people, 

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well, because their closeted 
academics, which is, you know, 

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that's the thing that comes with
the lifestyle, you don't have a 

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lot of Experience talking to 
people and living a life outside

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of Academia. 
You get some things wrong, 

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right? 
You get other things really, 

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really right, but magic, not so,
well, women, if you're living 

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only with men, you're not gonna 
have a lot of insight there and 

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relationships for the same 
reason, you know, unless you're,

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you know, even if you are gay 
and have relationships with 

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another Meister, that's a 
different sort of relationship 

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than hyper talking about here 
between royalty, Between people 

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that have massive influence over
the entire realm in ways that 

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are hard to proceed and also 
something that they wouldn't let

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bleed out in their writings 
true. 

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And even if they did, like say 
someone, I don't became a major 

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didn't even start trying to be 
may still there into the 30s. 

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Maybe they had gotten, married 
had kids or wife died, or some 

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whatever it is, where the maybe 
they would have a better more 

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worldly experience or 
perspective. 

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There's still a certain filter 
that they're going to have to 

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write and study through, right? 
All the other majors are 

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downplaying magic. 
And whatever they write, the 

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king might execute him if he 
doesn't like it. 

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You know, you can see all these 
reasons why they might not say 

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what they really want for know 
about Shara over else guys? 

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Yeah, maybe it was even 
literally burned or edited out 

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after the fact. 
Yeah. 

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They have to tow sort of the 
line there in terms of what's 

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accepted and expected. 
That's a great point. 

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You made there about talking 
about magic like maester aemon 

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and archmaester. 
Marwan for example, a basically 

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say these things like yeah you 
can't just you want poison in 

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your porridge you know. 
Don't talk about the hey really 

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far with it. 
Like, well they're gonna kill 

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you. 
I thought they would just like 

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shown you or or talk down to you
or like drum you out, you know, 

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not murder. 
You like wow, I didn't know it 

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was that serious but it might 
just be a laxative. 

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It might not be a deadly poison,
something to keep you out of the

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way for a while. 
So let's talk about her early 

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life. 
This is a little familiar, she 

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wasn't a high tower but she was 
indirectly the result of 

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Hightower Mission and we're only
talking. 

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Y'all about 50 years. 
She was born a 50 years after 

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the dance of the Dragons. 
So these are high towers that 

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are probably related to. 
Well, definitely rely on their 

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height. 
H deaf, I mean like closely 

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related to Auto and late and not
late in Auto and Ormond and the 

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other high towers of the Arab 
dance. 

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This might be, we might be 
talking about some of their 

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children or grandchildren here 
in a minute. 

449
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,200
The downside of not knowing 
about enough about share is the 

450
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,200
obvious we have left to say than
we About other characters. 

451
00:22:17,300 --> 00:22:20,800
The upside is that we get to 
come back some day with new 

452
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,300
information and play around with
that. 

453
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,400
And in the meantime, as well, we
get to play around more with 

454
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:26,600
people. 
She's connected to like, her 

455
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,100
parents lens into, one of our 
favorite periods. 

456
00:22:29,100 --> 00:22:31,700
The blackfyre billions, of 
course, a big part of this. 

457
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:37,100
She was least impacted by aegon,
the Unworthy, as compared to all

458
00:22:37,100 --> 00:22:40,300
the other children of aegon. 
The Unworthy because she was his

459
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:44,300
last child, and he died, pretty 
closed after she was born. 

460
00:22:44,300 --> 00:22:47,400
So, she didn't have to like Like
suffer, having this horrible? 

461
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,900
Father around, that probably is 
a good thing. 

462
00:22:49,900 --> 00:22:51,500
You usually want your father 
around. 

463
00:22:51,500 --> 00:22:54,400
But this one of those cases 
where it's probably good that he

464
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,500
wasn't. 
She was the least changed by his

465
00:22:56,500 --> 00:23:00,400
deathbed legitimisation to given
how far down the line of 

466
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,300
succession she was and because 
she's a woman and, you know, 

467
00:23:04,300 --> 00:23:07,500
women don't tend to inherit. 
So she's less of a quote-unquote

468
00:23:07,500 --> 00:23:09,400
threat. 
In terms of the succession, 

469
00:23:09,900 --> 00:23:11,500
which by the way, doing the 
math. 

470
00:23:11,900 --> 00:23:14,700
Her half siblings had already 
been fighting over her before 

471
00:23:14,700 --> 00:23:18,500
the blackfyre Rebellion. 
She would have been like 10 or 

472
00:23:18,500 --> 00:23:21,200
12 when they started kind of 
fighting over her. 

473
00:23:21,500 --> 00:23:24,000
Just kind of yikes more on that 
later. 

474
00:23:24,900 --> 00:23:27,500
She's also a great window into 
the reign of dare on the second.

475
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,900
A welcome change for restaurants
because they're on was good. 

476
00:23:30,900 --> 00:23:35,000
I mean he was there on the good 
and that was a wonderful Turn 

477
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,900
Around from aegon the Unworthy 
so she probably liked her half 

478
00:23:38,900 --> 00:23:41,300
brother. 
Darren more than she liked her 

479
00:23:41,300 --> 00:23:43,900
father's memory. 
Of course like with the word 

480
00:23:43,900 --> 00:23:46,100
memory there is. 
That's what It was it was a 

481
00:23:46,108 --> 00:23:48,300
memories, she would have them 
not much of an actual 

482
00:23:48,500 --> 00:23:50,900
relationship. 
So yeah, her father, aegon the 

483
00:23:50,900 --> 00:23:54,900
fourth, you unworthy Circa, 178 
179, aegon catches Terrence 

484
00:23:54,900 --> 00:23:56,900
point with Bethany bracket, 
right? 

485
00:23:56,900 --> 00:23:59,400
Remember that from the aemon? 
The dragonknight episode more 

486
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,100
recently and as well as the 
aegon the fourth episode many 

487
00:24:03,100 --> 00:24:04,900
years ago both of them are 
executed. 

488
00:24:04,900 --> 00:24:07,300
Cruelly. 
So is Bethany bracken's father 

489
00:24:07,300 --> 00:24:11,000
who was hand of the king so that
opens up the spot for both the 

490
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:16,900
new hand of The King and I knew 
main mistress for a god On now 

491
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,400
aemon the dragonknight of course
dies defending him from Towing 

492
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,000
Revenge, which also opens a spot
in the kingsguard and also maybe

493
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:28,200
keeps an obstacle out of the way
for even greater scheming 

494
00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:32,200
because a ganar Amon was, you 
know, such a good guy in place. 

495
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,800
Close to the king and was 
probably a buffer against a lot 

496
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,700
of bad things that became more 
frequent after his death. 

497
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,500
So what happens is this guy John
Hightower Nina suggest? 

498
00:24:44,500 --> 00:24:48,800
Maybe he was the son of Lord 
Lionel and Samantha tarly that 

499
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:49,800
would that would fit pretty 
well. 

500
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,500
If that's true. 
Lord John would be very close to

501
00:24:52,500 --> 00:24:57,500
aegon's age because aegon was 
born in 135, four years after 

502
00:24:57,500 --> 00:25:00,300
the dance ended. 
So if this person was a child of

503
00:25:00,300 --> 00:25:02,500
people who got together during 
the dance, he would be very 

504
00:25:02,500 --> 00:25:04,800
close and aegon's age, which 
would give them something in 

505
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,600
common would, maybe give him a 
little more of an in to 

506
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,900
manipulating slashing 
Influencing him. 

507
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,000
There's so many obvious things a
high tower. 

508
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,000
Lord would want from a king, 
just a slight reduction in 

509
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,000
taxes. 
Would mean so much money for 

510
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:23,100
them or like a complete waving 
of taxes on certain Goods would 

511
00:25:23,100 --> 00:25:25,900
be a windfall. 
There's so many opportunities 

512
00:25:25,900 --> 00:25:29,000
for corruption here and it was 
extremely well established. 

513
00:25:29,100 --> 00:25:31,500
By the end of aegon, the 
Unworthy, is rain that the way 

514
00:25:31,500 --> 00:25:35,000
to get favors from him is to 
bring him a woman, he's into 

515
00:25:35,300 --> 00:25:37,500
which and John went all out 
here. 

516
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:42,700
He went and found a Incredibly 
beautiful woman from lease 

517
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,000
Saran. 
A sweet Serenity was her name. 

518
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,200
Why they called her sweets arena
is odd because apparently, she 

519
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,200
was proud and haughty, and cold,
doesn't sound like a very sweet 

520
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,700
person at all. 
Seems purely rooted in her looks

521
00:25:55,700 --> 00:25:58,000
or because like what they call 
something like, well, Kev, but 

522
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,400
he's real big. 
Yeah. 

523
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:03,600
Sweet tea ready? 
Yes. 

524
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,400
Our, it could have told her sour
Saran. 

525
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,500
I really might it change over 
time. 

526
00:26:07,500 --> 00:26:09,900
She might have started out as 
sweet and become bitter. 

527
00:26:10,100 --> 00:26:12,200
As oh yeah, that's her 
experience to King's Landing, 

528
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,800
you know, having to be mistress 
to this guy's. 

529
00:26:15,100 --> 00:26:17,100
Yeah, it doesn't probably 
doesn't uplift. 

530
00:26:17,100 --> 00:26:20,800
You probably worried. 
She was treated as an outsider, 

531
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,000
you know. 
Yeah, amen. 

532
00:26:22,100 --> 00:26:25,500
Kinda naive and helpful, and 
everyone treated her like crap. 

533
00:26:25,500 --> 00:26:28,600
Well, big surprise suddenly, 
she's not sweet anymore. 

534
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,000
Yeah. 
And so consider what the way the

535
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,300
height H, tried to manipulate 
the Sarah's and get their way 

536
00:26:33,300 --> 00:26:35,300
into the royal family. 
This is more of a proxy version 

537
00:26:35,300 --> 00:26:37,300
that I was like, I'm going to 
gain favor with the royal family

538
00:26:37,300 --> 00:26:38,800
but I'm not going to directly 
embroil. 

539
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,700
The high Towers in it. 
So he's kind of controlling this

540
00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:45,700
woman that he brings her from 
lease and she's got very little 

541
00:26:45,700 --> 00:26:48,100
connection to anyone there. 
So she's sort of isolated. 

542
00:26:48,100 --> 00:26:51,500
So she kind of needs John and 
Oregon to do anything. 

543
00:26:51,500 --> 00:26:56,400
To go beyond being a gilded cage
Persona Court. 

544
00:26:57,300 --> 00:27:01,800
It's a clever move by John. 
It's following the path that's 

545
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,600
been laid out by prior hands of 
the king even though that 

546
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:09,800
resulted in execution brutally 
for Lord, Bracken, John 

547
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,400
Hightower was game to try and 
not make the same mistakes. 

548
00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:16,300
Let's talk about Serena out here
for a second. 

549
00:27:17,300 --> 00:27:19,700
There's all these other 
Mistresses as well that are 

550
00:27:19,700 --> 00:27:21,800
politically connected and that 
was always a problem. 

551
00:27:21,900 --> 00:27:24,400
Like what's the Blackwood? 
Her being a black wood, became a

552
00:27:24,408 --> 00:27:27,500
problem because the Brackins got
involved and Pushed back and of 

553
00:27:27,500 --> 00:27:29,000
course, before that, they were 
bracken's in. 

554
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,900
After that, their practices 
Bracken Blackwood thing going 

555
00:27:31,900 --> 00:27:33,800
back and forth. 
She's not involved in any of 

556
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,100
that. 
She's not connected and he's 

557
00:27:35,100 --> 00:27:38,800
families. 
She's got no political baggage, 

558
00:27:38,900 --> 00:27:41,100
right? 
There's no, this family hates 

559
00:27:41,100 --> 00:27:42,600
her family, like they don't 
know. 

560
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,300
One in Westeros even knows her 
family, right? 

561
00:27:45,300 --> 00:27:46,900
They have no connection 
whatsoever there. 

562
00:27:47,300 --> 00:27:50,500
She's just looks Valerian. 
And she set the silver hair and 

563
00:27:50,500 --> 00:27:54,700
the and I guess you had blue 
eyes, the serenity I did and 

564
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,200
just none of that. 
Stuff that would make her 

565
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,200
political liability but there's 
more to it than this. 

566
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,800
I find this angle really clever 
and Insidious and cynical on 

567
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,300
Lord. 
John's part remember that 

568
00:28:07,700 --> 00:28:11,900
aegon's Mom was lice any and she
left when he was young that's 

569
00:28:11,900 --> 00:28:14,400
going to mess you up. 
I think your Mom leaves when 

570
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:15,600
you're three or four at least it
could. 

571
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,600
It's not that it's not an excuse
for why he was such a bad guy. 

572
00:28:18,900 --> 00:28:21,100
Especially because someone like 
Amon and Mary's, also their 

573
00:28:21,100 --> 00:28:22,700
mother left and they were good 
people. 

574
00:28:22,700 --> 00:28:24,200
Yeah. 
But he was the oldest and it 

575
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,300
maybe maybe hit him the hardest 
nerys. 

576
00:28:26,300 --> 00:28:28,600
Would I have been too young even
remember it, but they both 

577
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:33,000
became very extreme individual 
xamon, very like chivalric and 

578
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,000
dutiful and egg on. 
Well, he complete opposite. 

579
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,800
These extreme personalities 
might be rooted in their mother 

580
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,600
leaving early on. 
So this might be a little bit of

581
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,300
psychology like play on his 
mommy issues by finding him a 

582
00:28:44,300 --> 00:28:47,000
lice. 
Any woman that might even kind 

583
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,100
of looked like his mother and 
just the psychological impact of

584
00:28:51,100 --> 00:28:53,900
that could be substantial. 
And from Lord, John's 

585
00:28:53,900 --> 00:28:56,300
perspective, it was probably all
about getting whatever he could 

586
00:28:56,300 --> 00:28:58,600
out of Okay you know 
manipulating this guy to get 

587
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,800
favors and like we said tax 
write-offs and all that stuff. 

588
00:29:02,100 --> 00:29:04,700
Wow right like that's quite an 
angle. 

589
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,100
Hmm. 
Bring in someone who's from his 

590
00:29:07,100 --> 00:29:10,200
mother's Nation. 
That's that's probably not 

591
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:11,400
random. 
That probably isn't just an 

592
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,200
accident. 
It probably was calculated. 

593
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,100
And then like you said, maybe 
she grew cold over time. 

594
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,800
That's why Lara left that's why 
Lara regarding guns. 

595
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,900
Mom left was because she was 
isolated and treated like a 

596
00:29:21,908 --> 00:29:24,500
foreigner. 
And there was lots of prejudice.

597
00:29:24,500 --> 00:29:28,300
They mocked the God, she Ship 
the whole rumors about what she 

598
00:29:28,300 --> 00:29:30,700
was doing behind closed doors 
and she also didn't speak the 

599
00:29:30,700 --> 00:29:33,300
language, which didn't help that
made her seem even more distant 

600
00:29:33,300 --> 00:29:35,300
siren. 
I did speak common. 

601
00:29:35,300 --> 00:29:38,600
As far as we know it's possible,
she didn't, but we didn't hear 

602
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,400
anything about that. 
She may have just been cold 

603
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,000
because no one accepted her, and
people were prejudiced against 

604
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,100
her on the other hand. 
It provides an interesting 

605
00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:53,400
possibility, to keep her 
perception as someone that won't

606
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:54,600
cheat. 
Remember what just happened? 

607
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,800
Bethany Bracken cheated on him. 
Now, aegon's may be paranoid 

608
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,500
about his mistress cheating on 
him, a cold proud woman, that 

609
00:30:01,500 --> 00:30:04,900
doesn't talk to anyone that sort
of doesn't give off the vibe 

610
00:30:04,900 --> 00:30:06,000
that she's going to cheat, 
right? 

611
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,900
She's like, no, I'm too good for
anyone but the king that might 

612
00:30:08,900 --> 00:30:11,500
be what he wanted at that point,
because he's paranoid about 

613
00:30:11,500 --> 00:30:14,600
being cheated on someone, that's
too proud to slay. 

614
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,300
It's not about looks and lust. 
It's about status with someone 

615
00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:20,900
like that. 
A couple of their angles. 

616
00:30:21,100 --> 00:30:24,800
It could be that she was still 
sweet and warm and whatever else

617
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,100
positive, but people just didn't
like her. 

618
00:30:28,100 --> 00:30:30,500
And it was a way to talk bad 
about her or might, it was 

619
00:30:30,500 --> 00:30:34,100
spread of Midway to take her 
down a notch, whatever, or that?

620
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:39,600
However, cold or warm or kind or
whatever, maybe she just was 

621
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:44,100
more virtuous and maybe even 
judgmental made some of the same

622
00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:47,200
black that alicent gets, you 
know what I mean that she was 

623
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,100
trying to be loyal and honest 
and do it. 

624
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,900
In other people weren't and so 
she makes them look bad. 

625
00:30:51,900 --> 00:30:55,800
So they talk bad about her and 
maybe people that really knew 

626
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,200
her or cared about her. 
Still thought she was sweet. 

627
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,500
But people who plenty of people 
who might be, who died 

628
00:31:01,500 --> 00:31:04,000
motivation and not like her be 
distrustful would want to say 

629
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,900
that she was holier than our, 
you know, things that might be 

630
00:31:06,900 --> 00:31:08,500
wrapped up in cold or hot in 
here. 

631
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,800
That's a good point. 
Of course, the being super hot 

632
00:31:11,900 --> 00:31:14,200
came with a little bit of room 
erring. 

633
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,200
There was rumor, she used 
sorcery to stay beautiful. 

634
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,500
That is a recurring Trope about 
You keep their beauty, 

635
00:31:20,900 --> 00:31:23,900
especially ones who have extreme
Beauty in stories, like this. 

636
00:31:23,900 --> 00:31:28,200
Also in real life, maybe not so 
much anymore, but in times past 

637
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,400
Nina writes, this could be a 
little bit of expression of 

638
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,700
xenophobia. 
There's lots of ambitious, 

639
00:31:32,700 --> 00:31:37,600
westerosi Nobles who want to 
marry their daughters to the 

640
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,100
king or the prince or just 
someone above that. 

641
00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:42,900
They want to move up through 
marriage, right? 

642
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,500
They would hate the idea that 
this foreign woman is just 

643
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,000
prettier than all their 
daughters or wives. 

644
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,400
Whatever. 
And maybe take that personally, 

645
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,000
like a like a little bit of 
westerosi nationalism, like, 

646
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,300
surely this foreign woman can't 
be the most beautiful woman in 

647
00:31:57,300 --> 00:31:59,500
the country, right? 
They just don't like that idea. 

648
00:31:59,500 --> 00:32:02,700
It's just touches on their 
prejudices and well. 

649
00:32:02,700 --> 00:32:05,900
Sorry y'all. 
They said she was the most 

650
00:32:05,900 --> 00:32:07,300
beautiful. 
We'll go with that. 

651
00:32:07,900 --> 00:32:10,300
And with that, she's kind of 
isolated. 

652
00:32:10,300 --> 00:32:12,000
She's not going to have, you 
know, hard trauma finding 

653
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,600
allies. 
And but why did she come in the 

654
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,100
first place? 
She's not a slave. 

655
00:32:16,300 --> 00:32:18,300
What's in it for her? 
Of course. 

656
00:32:19,500 --> 00:32:23,900
She had this impeccable lineage 
and we hear that her family had 

657
00:32:23,900 --> 00:32:25,600
fallen on Hard Times 
financially. 

658
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,900
So there was probably a big 
payoff. 

659
00:32:27,900 --> 00:32:30,600
This may have been the reverse 
of your normal scenario where 

660
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,200
there's a when you get married 
the the wife's family pays a big

661
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:35,700
Dowry. 
This may have been this was 

662
00:32:35,700 --> 00:32:39,300
sounds like the opposite where 
John Hightower paid off her 

663
00:32:39,300 --> 00:32:42,800
family's debts or a lot of them 
in order to make this happen. 

664
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,300
So she may have been making some
big sacrifice for her family by 

665
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,800
agreeing to come and be the 
mistress to the king in order to

666
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,300
Taylor family out. 
This may have been a very big 

667
00:32:51,300 --> 00:32:52,900
deal to her family. 
Like she may have been like kind

668
00:32:52,900 --> 00:32:55,400
of a martyr to her family here 
in a sense. 

669
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:57,600
Might have been the other way 
around too. 

670
00:32:57,700 --> 00:33:02,000
Yeah might have been like you 
know exactly the height H might 

671
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,200
have had some something overs, 
this ice any family. 

672
00:33:06,300 --> 00:33:08,600
Okay. 
You OSX money. 

673
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,400
All your do we trust burned down
so sad but you stopped the past 

674
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,600
will take your daughter? 
Yeah. 

675
00:33:14,700 --> 00:33:16,600
Kind of, she might have been 
given up, you know, may not have

676
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,800
been slavery but it had been 
effectively. 

677
00:33:18,900 --> 00:33:19,400
Free. 
Yeah. 

678
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,500
Which I mean a lot of these 
arranged marriages kind of our 

679
00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:23,600
that like the one doesn't have 
any say in it. 

680
00:33:23,608 --> 00:33:25,100
The difference. 
I don't think I'm stretching to 

681
00:33:25,100 --> 00:33:26,400
think that's what might have 
happened. 

682
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,300
Yeah, like sir. 
And I apparently was a little 

683
00:33:28,300 --> 00:33:30,400
bit older, she wasn't in her 
twenties or anything. 

684
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,200
She wasn't a super young woman, 
but we don't actually know how 

685
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,100
old she was. 
Given the rumors that she used. 

686
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,700
Sorcery to keep her beauty. 
It sounds like she wasn't that. 

687
00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:41,800
You don't start saying that when
someone's 22, you know, like she

688
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,500
is a stupid young to look like 
that or to hold look like what 

689
00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:45,900
she's 22. 
Y'all look what you mean? 

690
00:33:46,700 --> 00:33:49,500
That's another kind of missing 
piece here is how old is her in?

691
00:33:49,500 --> 00:33:53,800
I was Now, they probably did it.
They probably came out ahead on 

692
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,700
that, their family, not her, but
because some she'd get dies in 

693
00:33:56,700 --> 00:33:58,900
childbirth a few years later. 
So this definitely don't work 

694
00:33:58,900 --> 00:34:01,600
out, great for her. 
But what other you know, what 

695
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,700
other promises maybe had been 
extracted? 

696
00:34:03,700 --> 00:34:05,500
There's a whole world of 
possibilities here. 

697
00:34:05,900 --> 00:34:09,199
If Nares was dying or dead by 
the time, we don't know an Aries

698
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:12,600
died. 
Remember she died after Amon, 

699
00:34:13,100 --> 00:34:17,199
but before egg on and we know 
that sir and I died before egg 

700
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:20,600
onto and this is all kind of a 
tight time line roughly in the 

701
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:25,400
Years 180 to 184. 
There's already precedent for a 

702
00:34:25,408 --> 00:34:29,500
life's, any woman, being a bride
to a king of Westeros. 

703
00:34:29,500 --> 00:34:31,400
In fact, aegon's on mother as 
we've already said. 

704
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,800
So that, that was not, at least 
that way it already been paved. 

705
00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:38,300
You wonder to, like, what kind 
of flowers did she have over, 

706
00:34:38,300 --> 00:34:40,900
like, was she using her 
influence to get more for her 

707
00:34:40,900 --> 00:34:43,000
family? 
Like John's doing that. 

708
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,000
John hightower's doing, who 
knows what for his family via 

709
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,900
being handed. 
The king to this corrupt, King. 

710
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,000
What was she getting out of it? 
Besides the initial Arrangement?

711
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:57,300
Well, we don't really know, No, 
but we know that it couldn't 

712
00:34:57,300 --> 00:35:00,600
have been great having to spend 
time with him, the state of 

713
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:05,800
health egg on was in. 
I like to think of him as Take 

714
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,700
him as the combined versions of 
book and show viserys the first 

715
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,300
book. 
Viserys never had that weird, 

716
00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:15,000
like, leprosy thing that we saw 
on the show but he did get 

717
00:35:15,100 --> 00:35:18,000
heavier and heavier through 
excessive partying, eating and 

718
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,100
drinking and his way became a 
problem, Hague on the fourth did

719
00:35:21,100 --> 00:35:23,500
as well. 
But aegon, the fourth also had 

720
00:35:23,900 --> 00:35:27,100
strange disease. 
And anyway, here's a quote that 

721
00:35:27,100 --> 00:35:29,300
I needn't explain it. 
This quote does a better job. 

722
00:35:30,300 --> 00:35:35,200
He was grossly fat, barely able 
to walk And some wondered how 

723
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,800
his last Mistress ceranae of 
lease. 

724
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,800
The mother of Sheriff's, he star
could ever have withstood. 

725
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:46,800
His braces, the king himself 
died, a horrible death, his 

726
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,600
body. 
So swollen and obese, but he 

727
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,200
could no longer lift himself. 
From his couch, his limbs 

728
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,000
rotting and crawling with flesh 
worms. 

729
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,900
The maesters claimed. 
They had never seen its life 

730
00:35:59,900 --> 00:36:03,800
while septons declared it, a 
judgment of the Gods. 

731
00:36:04,500 --> 00:36:08,600
Hagen was given milk of the 
poppy to bail his pain, but else

732
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,800
was little could be done for 
him. 

733
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:16,200
This is very similar to the 
death of sulla, the Roman 

734
00:36:16,300 --> 00:36:23,000
Consul, he had very odd flesh. 
Worms crawling in him like 

735
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,800
before he died and she had slave
just pick them out every day and

736
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,800
they couldn't couldn't control 
those crazy. 

737
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,700
And people said it was a 
judgment of the Gods on him 

738
00:36:31,700 --> 00:36:35,700
because if he had killed so many
so many People in his life I 

739
00:36:35,700 --> 00:36:38,000
believe we talked about in the 
aegon the Unworthy episodes been

740
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,600
so long. 
I don't remember for sure but 

741
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,900
anyway, more and more examples 
of potential taking advantage of

742
00:36:44,100 --> 00:36:46,700
a guy in ill health to make 
political calls like Auto and 

743
00:36:46,700 --> 00:36:51,000
Allison did during the early 
before the dance broke out. 

744
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,300
And this guy, the sicker, he 
gets the less likely. 

745
00:36:53,300 --> 00:36:55,800
He's the participate in courtly 
decisions. 

746
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,200
He wasn't all that interested in
the first place. 

747
00:36:58,300 --> 00:37:02,500
And being a being a king in 
terms of ruling his people, he 

748
00:37:02,500 --> 00:37:06,200
liked what the Did for him, in 
terms of slaking his thirst and 

749
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:10,300
appetites and lusts, but not so 
much taking care of people with 

750
00:37:10,300 --> 00:37:14,400
that notable difference here, 
that Alison, not over at where, 

751
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,900
you know, or when bottom or so, 
I suppose are Allison's book 

752
00:37:16,900 --> 00:37:19,900
Alice, and maybe more. 
So we're aiming for the throne. 

753
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,200
Whereas here, there are just 
more aiming for influence. 

754
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,100
They weren't trying to displace 
the targaryens. 

755
00:37:24,100 --> 00:37:26,600
They weren't trying to marry a 
child into this. 

756
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,700
Current state of family. 
They couldn't like are on airs 

757
00:37:29,700 --> 00:37:32,400
already. 
Married to Mariah Martel, his 

758
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:33,900
sister Daenerys married to 
Marilyn. 

759
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,000
On Martell. 
So there wasn't any way into the

760
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,300
royal family, that way that this
was that path was kind of 

761
00:37:38,300 --> 00:37:41,600
blocked. 
This was what was available and 

762
00:37:42,100 --> 00:37:45,500
very risky in a sense. 
They couldn't go too far with 

763
00:37:45,500 --> 00:37:47,200
the Kings power. 
They'd seen what happened to 

764
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:51,700
Lourdes Bracken, but they also 
had may be limited time left. 

765
00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:53,200
They could see the writing on 
the wall. 

766
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,000
This Kings got flesh, worms 
crawling in his body. 

767
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,600
How much more time does this guy
have on this Earth? 

768
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,400
He doesn't. 
This is not a picture of Health.

769
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,900
They had to know that whatever 
influence they had. 

770
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,700
Is going to be limited in time, 
so they had to make their moves 

771
00:38:06,700 --> 00:38:10,900
quickly if at all. 
So this is something that I 

772
00:38:10,908 --> 00:38:12,700
never really thought about until
think. 

773
00:38:12,700 --> 00:38:16,200
Until this episode, which is the
possibility that Daemon 

774
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,100
blackfyre, when he was given the
sword blackfyre and before he 

775
00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:22,500
was actually named Daemon 
blackfyre that was in the year 

776
00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:26,000
1982. 
And this is when he revealed 

777
00:38:26,300 --> 00:38:28,900
that a gun revealed that this 
child was actually, his son had 

778
00:38:28,900 --> 00:38:31,300
been kept under outcome, may be 
an Open Secret but he hadn't 

779
00:38:31,300 --> 00:38:32,900
officially said. 
Yeah, this is my son. 

780
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,200
I did that after Damon one that 
Squires tournament. 

781
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,600
So this decision to look to give
Damon The Sword. 

782
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,600
And his deathbed legitimisation 
is two years later happened 

783
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,500
during this period where John 
Hightower and serenity had 

784
00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:53,700
influence over him. 
She wonder if they had any play 

785
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,400
here. 
Did they suggest this? 

786
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,600
Like they knew knew he wanted to
get back at his son. 

787
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,600
They knew he hated his son and 
wanted to usurp him in, but 

788
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,800
failed given his prior Were 
plotting. 

789
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,800
So maybe this was an idea, kind 
of like, how little finger gave 

790
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,900
Joffrey the idea to execute Ned.
You could easily say, oh Joffrey

791
00:39:10,900 --> 00:39:13,200
would would have done that on 
his own, but he didn't think of 

792
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,000
it. 
Yes, if he had the idea on his 

793
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,700
own, he would have done it, but 
he needed someone smart with an 

794
00:39:18,700 --> 00:39:21,500
ulterior motive to give him that
idea and let him run with it. 

795
00:39:21,500 --> 00:39:23,700
I kind of think there might 
there's room for that here, I 

796
00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:25,100
can more than kinda. 
There's it's possible. 

797
00:39:25,100 --> 00:39:28,700
It doesn't need to have happened
like what's their angle but they

798
00:39:28,700 --> 00:39:30,300
might have planted the seed you 
know. 

799
00:39:30,300 --> 00:39:34,800
Yes even if they didn't have a 
Plan or even if they didn't do 

800
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,700
it intentionally, they might 
have just said something like, 

801
00:39:37,700 --> 00:39:40,300
what if you legitimised all your
bastards into yours? 

802
00:39:40,300 --> 00:39:43,200
One conversation, he's drunk or 
if they did, have some ulterior 

803
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,900
motive, just get her thinking 
about, it has the power to do 

804
00:39:45,900 --> 00:39:47,300
that. 
Just like, I'm just saying the 

805
00:39:47,300 --> 00:39:50,100
king, your, you know, that's 
that's within your power, a king

806
00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:53,100
could do that. 
Yeah. 

807
00:39:53,100 --> 00:39:56,500
It's pretty compelling and might
even use it as a threat and 

808
00:39:56,500 --> 00:39:57,900
didn't really mean it. 
Yeah. 

809
00:39:57,900 --> 00:40:01,100
But if enough people say that, 
what if you really did do it, 

810
00:40:01,100 --> 00:40:03,500
you don't mean that like you 
might have been pushed into It 

811
00:40:03,500 --> 00:40:05,000
just show them. 
Yeah boss. 

812
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:09,100
You know, if you want to go a 
little farther with it when idea

813
00:40:09,100 --> 00:40:12,800
I had would be that they were 
thinking maybe they could. 

814
00:40:12,900 --> 00:40:17,400
If Serena gave birth to a 
daughter, maybe this happened 

815
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,600
while she was pregnant. 
She could they could plan on 

816
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,200
maybe betrothing this daughter 
to Damon one day now. 

817
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,600
Understand this is a 12-year age
Gap so it's not the smoothest 

818
00:40:26,900 --> 00:40:30,800
Arrangement but it could be done
and it's possible anyway or they

819
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,300
may have had other plans for 
this child but Saran, I died 

820
00:40:34,500 --> 00:40:37,700
apparently not during childbirth
but shortly after because she 

821
00:40:37,700 --> 00:40:41,100
did give the name was her name. 
She chose the name, she era. 

822
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,400
So there's a little bit of a 
must have been enough time for 

823
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,900
her to say that name. 
Maybe she had already chosen at 

824
00:40:47,900 --> 00:40:50,000
name before could have. 
Yeah, it's true. 

825
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,800
She could have chosen it before.
She would want you to. 

826
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,200
Like, if it's a boy, I'm gonna 
call her this. 

827
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,300
It's a girl called that but it's
an interesting name because I 

828
00:40:56,300 --> 00:40:59,600
feel like there's some only 
circumstantial evidence that the

829
00:40:59,607 --> 00:41:02,700
child that share was born and 
that sir. 

830
00:41:02,700 --> 00:41:07,400
And I saw Saw her before she 
died because the name share a 

831
00:41:07,408 --> 00:41:09,700
starved. 
See if that's the full version. 

832
00:41:09,700 --> 00:41:11,600
It's, she Stars shortened 
version. 

833
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,700
She's striking one green, one 
blue eye. 

834
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:20,200
And I feel like that name comes 
from that and I wonder you she 

835
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,200
would have had to see her to say
that. 

836
00:41:22,500 --> 00:41:24,000
I'm not sure about that. 
Like I said, that's kind of 

837
00:41:24,008 --> 00:41:27,600
circumstantial, it's pretty much
guesswork here but also she's 

838
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,700
from lease and they're an island
nation. 

839
00:41:29,700 --> 00:41:32,200
So, I really wonder, I'm just 
curious what that name come from

840
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,200
like why did she call her? 
Are the sea like this baby? 

841
00:41:35,300 --> 00:41:36,800
Like, where does that Nick? 
That wasn't. 

842
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,600
That's like, a something you 
earn as a nickname. 

843
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,900
Like, I have Abyss Daenerys, 
Stormborn shirt on while she was

844
00:41:40,900 --> 00:41:42,300
born during a storm. 
So that fits. 

845
00:41:42,300 --> 00:41:45,800
But where does yeah. 
Where did your mother come up 

846
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,000
with that? 
It's a Grilli. 

847
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,500
Cool evocative name, but I was 
not a lot to go on with where 

848
00:41:50,500 --> 00:41:52,600
she pulled that from. 
I remain. 

849
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,200
Very curious, Nina, isn't so big
on this idea of this little 

850
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,900
conspiracy between Serena and 
John Hightower. 

851
00:41:58,900 --> 00:42:01,700
So she's a good person to have 
argue against it here. 

852
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,400
Push back on a little bit. 
It's easy enough to see this 

853
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,400
none of this has to be in place 
for egg on to have done all this

854
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,800
himself and there's any number 
of other corrupt counselors 

855
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,700
around him. 
That could have planted the 

856
00:42:13,700 --> 00:42:15,300
seed. 
It doesn't have to be these two 

857
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,100
or even this or even one of 
them. 

858
00:42:17,900 --> 00:42:20,800
So yeah, I the part I like about
it is that egg on isn't very 

859
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,400
clever and he needs other people
to suggest schemes to him. 

860
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,500
Like Joffrey did like if he was 
smart, I think he wouldn't have 

861
00:42:26,500 --> 00:42:29,000
been that hard for him to 
displace his son. 

862
00:42:29,300 --> 00:42:31,400
It's just he's just not smart 
enough that they've done it. 

863
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:32,600
Gone about it the right way. 
He did it. 

864
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,100
He did it with Like a person 
who's angry he approached it, 

865
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,100
vindictively in with rage, not 
with Calculus, not with logic, 

866
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,200
you know? 
So he's right Petty about it, 

867
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,800
you know, and another piece is 
this, we didn't quite get into 

868
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:49,500
is the idea that like fire, the 
sword wasn't quite the symbol 

869
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,100
and the past. 
That's just it became. 

870
00:42:51,100 --> 00:42:53,500
Yeah right made it was never 
like you got to make it a 

871
00:42:53,508 --> 00:42:54,700
symbol. 
You got to do something with 

872
00:42:54,700 --> 00:42:55,600
this. 
Yeah. 

873
00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:00,500
And whether aegon thought that 
himself or someone planted that 

874
00:43:00,500 --> 00:43:03,100
idea or maybe it was something 
it was developing over time. 

875
00:43:03,300 --> 00:43:07,800
Anyway, when I can see how 
especially over time, there 

876
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:13,400
would be new symbols if you will
write and write and write. 

877
00:43:13,500 --> 00:43:15,200
And I'm and I'm reminded 
specifically. 

878
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,900
There was a quote in how the 
dragon when they were trying to 

879
00:43:18,700 --> 00:43:21,300
rush. 
It, the new agon into into 

880
00:43:21,300 --> 00:43:23,700
power, right? 
Like before anyone can respond, 

881
00:43:23,700 --> 00:43:25,000
it went to get. 
Let's have this. 

882
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,100
We need to have a public 
ceremony. 

883
00:43:27,100 --> 00:43:30,300
We need to get the King's Guard 
and the septon and like Otto 

884
00:43:30,300 --> 00:43:34,300
said, every symbol of legitimacy
is Yeah. 

885
00:43:34,700 --> 00:43:37,900
And we're trying to tell Renee 
trainees, you know, or renew a 

886
00:43:37,900 --> 00:43:41,000
rather like your moment passed. 
Sorry possession. 

887
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,400
Is nine-tenths of the law lie 
here and she was hoping they 

888
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:44,400
were have might even see it that
way? 

889
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,100
Yeah, it was like, look, we just
overwhelmed you, like give up, 

890
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,400
you know. 
It's so if some symbols of 

891
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:53,300
legitimacy had passed or 
diminished, or if the ones they 

892
00:43:53,300 --> 00:43:55,800
had weren't quite enough and it 
needed another one. 

893
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,400
And if this one, particularly 
fits the moment because we have 

894
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,000
this one Warrior guy and it's 
whatnot. 

895
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,800
Warrior guys will put the sword 
in his hand like I think that's 

896
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,700
a neat. 
To Dynamic to consider, however,

897
00:44:05,700 --> 00:44:08,300
it came about as I agree. 
It's just that one thing that 

898
00:44:08,300 --> 00:44:11,200
really gets me is I just hard 
for me to see aegon the fourth 

899
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:12,200
and clever enough to figure 
that. 

900
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,100
I was like, I know I'll make 
this the seem like he could have

901
00:44:14,100 --> 00:44:16,200
done it casually to accident. 
Like I'm just going to give some

902
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,800
sort of way because he gave eggs
away just for this and now like 

903
00:44:19,900 --> 00:44:25,600
he was known for just giving 
away valuable things so that it 

904
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,000
doesn't have to be a conspiracy 
or this calculated decision. 

905
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,800
But I definitely don't think he 
came up with that idea on his 

906
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,000
own without And what it would 
do. 

907
00:44:34,900 --> 00:44:37,300
Well, I think he might even come
up with the idea and it's only 

908
00:44:37,300 --> 00:44:40,100
given that sort of way and he 
didn't think it was relevant, 

909
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:44,000
but retroactively people who 
yeah, invested interest in like 

910
00:44:44,300 --> 00:44:46,000
think how big important this 
sword is? 

911
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,100
Why did he give it to me? 
And they would hammer that home 

912
00:44:48,100 --> 00:44:50,500
and if anyone bites that they're
going to run with it? 

913
00:44:50,500 --> 00:44:53,700
Yeah like it's entirely possible
sir and I died before this even 

914
00:44:53,700 --> 00:44:57,100
happened but that still doesn't 
mean it wasn't like an idea that

915
00:44:57,100 --> 00:45:00,600
she or John Hightower planted. 
So there's there's enough 

916
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,500
timeline fog here during a lot 
of uncertainty but We do know 

917
00:45:04,500 --> 00:45:06,200
that it's still happening within
a pretty narrow range. 

918
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:10,700
Egg on died in 1844, he gave 
dare Damon the blade and 182 and

919
00:45:10,700 --> 00:45:14,400
sir, and I became his lover 
sometime after 179. 

920
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,100
So there's just all, it's all 
just pretty tightly packed in 

921
00:45:17,100 --> 00:45:19,600
there, so let's get to actual 
Sharon. 

922
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:24,200
Oh, she obviously had to have 
been born before. 

923
00:45:24,900 --> 00:45:27,900
Aegon, the fourth died or his 
deathbed legitimisation wouldn't

924
00:45:27,900 --> 00:45:30,000
have even applied to her? 
That's how we know that. 

925
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,800
Sure and I died first. 
So she died probably 182 183, a 

926
00:45:33,808 --> 00:45:36,200
year. 
R2 before egg on it really 

927
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,700
sounds like egg on wasn't even 
able to perform in bed in his 

928
00:45:38,700 --> 00:45:40,600
final months, considering how 
overweight he got. 

929
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,700
So, he made this is this maybe 
pushes share as birth back a 

930
00:45:44,700 --> 00:45:48,200
little bit based on that. 
Maybe Nina also says, on the 

931
00:45:48,207 --> 00:45:53,200
issue of naming her, she era she
suggests that he probably didn't

932
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,800
care much about names or giving 
him his like that. 

933
00:45:55,800 --> 00:46:01,500
Let the mom giving him his hair.
So sir and I had now has a 

934
00:46:01,500 --> 00:46:04,600
daughter of Royal Blood which if
she was an ambitious person, if 

935
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,900
this was part of her angle in 
the first place, like why did 

936
00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:09,400
she accept this marriage offer 
in the first place? 

937
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,500
We're still still an open 
question, then she would have 

938
00:46:13,500 --> 00:46:17,800
her peace, her pain to maybe 
manipulate and use her own 

939
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,500
daughter, but then she dies in 
childbirth. 

940
00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:22,800
So, that's gone. 
You know, since egg on died in 

941
00:46:22,808 --> 00:46:25,600
1884 and shares. 
Mother had died a little bit 

942
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:26,600
before. 
That means both. 

943
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,100
Her parents are dead by the 
time. 

944
00:46:28,100 --> 00:46:31,600
She's like Two at most. 
So, she wouldn't even have a 

945
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,900
memory of him. 
And if she did have a memory of 

946
00:46:33,900 --> 00:46:37,200
him, it would be at his end, 
which would be terrifying for a 

947
00:46:37,207 --> 00:46:38,800
two-year-old, whatever, like 
Dykes. 

948
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,700
That's your dad. 
So, think about this. 

949
00:46:40,700 --> 00:46:43,900
This is like, she has this 
reputation for being kind of 

950
00:46:43,900 --> 00:46:46,900
cold, maybe Lovelace. 
Maybe playing with men rather 

951
00:46:46,900 --> 00:46:50,400
than I get it. 
She lost both her parents by the

952
00:46:50,408 --> 00:46:53,000
time, she's to whatever memory 
she might have had her of, her 

953
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,200
father, was terrible. 
And then, just the memory of him

954
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,500
is and what he did was terrible.
No. 

955
00:46:58,700 --> 00:47:01,200
Love. 
No, aunts our uncle's really 

956
00:47:01,300 --> 00:47:05,300
either only older siblings. 
And two of them were like trying

957
00:47:05,300 --> 00:47:08,700
to hook up with her when she was
like 10 surrounded by a 

958
00:47:08,700 --> 00:47:12,200
tradition of incest. 
Yes, yes, just total all that no

959
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,300
Role Models. 
Know people like being people 

960
00:47:14,300 --> 00:47:17,200
being possessive over her, and 
rather than your brother being 

961
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,300
protective of you, they're 
fighting over you, which is not 

962
00:47:20,300 --> 00:47:22,200
great. 
That doesn't, so, loving 

963
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,500
environment. 
That doesn't teach you the value

964
00:47:24,500 --> 00:47:27,900
of camaraderie and healthy 
relationships. 

965
00:47:27,900 --> 00:47:31,300
This is Everything is a contest,
everything is people fighting 

966
00:47:31,300 --> 00:47:33,200
for what they want. 
Everything comes down to 

967
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:38,400
personal desire, that's not a 
good spot for a child to be. 

968
00:47:38,500 --> 00:47:41,500
I don't think, right. 
And also in the context of 

969
00:47:41,500 --> 00:47:44,300
entitlement, there are also no 
wealth. 

970
00:47:44,300 --> 00:47:47,200
He's and that worried about 
day-to-day stuff, they're not 

971
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,900
probably even worried about the 
lives of other people. 

972
00:47:49,900 --> 00:47:53,200
Much less the well-being of the 
for consideration in 

973
00:47:53,207 --> 00:47:57,400
relationships on and on. 
Yeah, so sometimes people say 

974
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:58,800
Sharon ever married, as far as 
No. 

975
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,500
Do we know she didn't marry 
George said, so George said she 

976
00:48:01,500 --> 00:48:03,700
never married. 
It's not a rumor. 

977
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,900
It came directly from George so 
that's pretty straightforward. 

978
00:48:07,100 --> 00:48:09,500
And yeah. 
So I just find that very 

979
00:48:09,500 --> 00:48:12,900
compelling in a very sad way. 
Like this is all these elements 

980
00:48:12,900 --> 00:48:15,100
that would make her a distant 
kind of Lovelace. 

981
00:48:15,100 --> 00:48:21,100
Like a lot of things you say 
about people who are too rich or

982
00:48:21,500 --> 00:48:25,800
too detached or just to not 
normal to not have a you know a 

983
00:48:25,808 --> 00:48:28,300
lot of this fit Cersei. 
Yeah, it does. 

984
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,600
It does love his, she's got some
combinations of Cersei and 

985
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,300
Daenerys little of Santa. 
I supposed to be see Santa as a 

986
00:48:34,308 --> 00:48:38,300
young person kind of stuck at 
court, but I share a seems like 

987
00:48:38,300 --> 00:48:42,300
she had a lot more. 
She wasn't as demure as Sansa 

988
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,000
kind of like maybe she got 
startled fam, so much compact 

989
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,100
competition around her so much 
Cutthroat. 

990
00:48:47,100 --> 00:48:49,500
And if she wasn't isolated in 
the North she was right in the 

991
00:48:49,500 --> 00:48:53,700
thick of things from the get-go.
Santa also did get parental love

992
00:48:53,700 --> 00:48:57,000
and guidance and even if maybe a
little misguided, but still 

993
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,800
yeah, no sensors. 
May be a little More naive going

994
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,300
egg like because she didn't 
start off in this. 

995
00:49:02,500 --> 00:49:03,900
I'm going to say hostile 
environment. 

996
00:49:03,900 --> 00:49:05,400
Oh King's Landing him like she 
has. 

997
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,700
These are would have come up 
from infant and Beyond where 

998
00:49:08,700 --> 00:49:13,300
sanso had sounds is naive ideas.
The world. 

999
00:49:13,700 --> 00:49:14,900
She might have gotten by with 
it. 

1000
00:49:14,900 --> 00:49:16,800
Winterfell. 
Yeah, you know, share with no. 

1001
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,000
But yeah, yeah, I feel like I 
said yeah, that's thing that you

1002
00:49:19,008 --> 00:49:21,600
could say they're opposite song.
Like Cheryl would never very 

1003
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,800
unlikely to ever have these like
romantic ideals like Prince is 

1004
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,400
going to come rescues. 
Like she was like nah that's all

1005
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,800
Bs. 
That doesn't happen for my 

1006
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,300
perspective. 
It's older. 

1007
00:49:32,300 --> 00:49:36,000
Men fighting over a young, girl,
like a civil war, family, 

1008
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,300
squabbles, all this other stuff.
Yeah, it's very different than 

1009
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,600
like, says his life became that 
later. 

1010
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,700
But, yeah, it's yours. 
It was, that was like that from 

1011
00:49:43,700 --> 00:49:46,800
the, from the beginning and did 
share have any connections to 

1012
00:49:46,808 --> 00:49:50,600
her lysine family. 
Like Serena, I died. 

1013
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,100
So young. 
She may have been kind of cut 

1014
00:49:52,100 --> 00:49:54,800
off from that, but you may have 
had like a grandmother or 

1015
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,500
something that got back in the 
mix but not her paternal. 

1016
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:02,100
Grandmother was Lara, who was 
probably dead by then and 

1017
00:50:02,100 --> 00:50:03,900
paternal grandfather. 
Viserys second who was 

1018
00:50:04,300 --> 00:50:06,100
definitely dead by then 
maternal. 

1019
00:50:06,100 --> 00:50:08,500
Grandmother and grandfather AKA 
Serena's parents. 

1020
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:10,700
Don't know who they were. 
They might have been alive 

1021
00:50:10,700 --> 00:50:13,400
especially given what we said 
about Sir and I'm probably not 

1022
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:17,200
being really old. 
So sure family good chance were 

1023
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,700
still alive and they were 
presumably lysine as well. 

1024
00:50:19,700 --> 00:50:22,300
So there may have been some sort
of hey our daughters like the 

1025
00:50:22,300 --> 00:50:24,600
King's Daughter over here. 
This is an inroad for us. 

1026
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,900
He may have contacted her and 
been like let's keep this 

1027
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,300
relationship going there. 
Could be some mutually, 

1028
00:50:29,300 --> 00:50:32,600
beneficial Arrangement here. 
Who knows if not about family, 

1029
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,400
what about cultural connections 
did share with share a cut off 

1030
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,700
from her Culture, by not having 
any family around her. 

1031
00:50:38,700 --> 00:50:42,700
Did your mother have like a 
retinue, some of whom were lice 

1032
00:50:42,700 --> 00:50:44,700
any that some of them stayed 
with her. 

1033
00:50:44,700 --> 00:50:47,900
And like, I've some serving 
people that like a, I don't 

1034
00:50:47,900 --> 00:50:51,100
know, like, the equivalent of 
ladies-in-waiting, something 

1035
00:50:51,100 --> 00:50:52,300
like that. 
I don't know how that works for 

1036
00:50:52,300 --> 00:50:55,700
Mistresses at court, but she 
probably had some people like 

1037
00:50:55,700 --> 00:51:01,100
Lara had sand DOC, The Shadow 
and And a few other people whose

1038
00:51:01,100 --> 00:51:04,600
names didn't get mentioned. 
But feel, like, kind of like how

1039
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,500
Ned may have had a few more 
people with him at the tower of 

1040
00:51:07,500 --> 00:51:09,900
joy and how the kingsguard 
nights almost definitely dead. 

1041
00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:11,700
Because, like, who's gonna have 
to put on their armor and who's 

1042
00:51:11,700 --> 00:51:14,200
going to take care of this baby 
that Leon has, like, right there

1043
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,100
had to be other people. 
There's always a few other 

1044
00:51:16,100 --> 00:51:19,200
people around that don't get 
named by the histories. 

1045
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,500
But these these really rich 
people they always have servants

1046
00:51:21,500 --> 00:51:24,500
around them, right? 
Like that's kind of a given Even

1047
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,900
Santa, who is basically a 
prisoner still had attendance. 

1048
00:51:27,900 --> 00:51:30,300
She still have people, you know,
washing her clothes and making 

1049
00:51:30,300 --> 00:51:34,600
her bed and escorting, her 
around and even crash tyrion's 

1050
00:51:34,700 --> 00:51:37,500
mistress, okay? 
Shay. 

1051
00:51:37,500 --> 00:51:40,900
Yeah, she maybe didn't have her 
own attendant, but she still 

1052
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:45,500
had, I don't know, Liberties and
favors finances if you girl 

1053
00:51:45,500 --> 00:51:46,500
favors. 
There you go. 

1054
00:51:46,500 --> 00:51:49,900
You know, she was better off if 
she was like she was 

1055
00:51:49,900 --> 00:51:53,500
specifically secret and I'll 
sensibly a servant. 

1056
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,700
But still had values that the 
average person wouldn't have 

1057
00:51:56,700 --> 00:51:58,200
because of her connection to 
Tyrion so. 

1058
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,400
So imagine, you know, you go up 
a couple levels from that from 

1059
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:02,800
shade to. 
Yeah, right. 

1060
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,600
Okay, yeah. 
And Anita asks a great question 

1061
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:11,900
here given how her grandmother 
Lara and their family had been 

1062
00:52:11,908 --> 00:52:14,500
treated by Westeros which was 
with a lot of xenophobia. 

1063
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,500
What did we say? 
Share is a very intelligent 

1064
00:52:17,500 --> 00:52:19,600
person. 
Probably very perceptive. 

1065
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,300
She may have seen that mean, 
like, I'm not going to put 

1066
00:52:22,300 --> 00:52:25,500
myself in the position to be 
Treated with all this Prejudice.

1067
00:52:25,500 --> 00:52:30,800
So I'm going to downplay, my 
lice any connections and not 

1068
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,200
face what my grandmother faced. 
It's so interesting that it's 

1069
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,100
her grandmother. 
The face that I just didn't give

1070
00:52:37,100 --> 00:52:39,200
that a lot of thought before 
working on this episode. 

1071
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,000
But yeah the connection between 
Lara gauri and she RC star is 

1072
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,600
not to be downplayed even though
they never met. 

1073
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:49,200
Yeah, I'm really imagining Shara
maybe sometimes getting comments

1074
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,200
about her grandmother hearing 
about her grandmother hearing 

1075
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,900
negative things about Laura ra 
and like internalizing it even 

1076
00:52:55,900 --> 00:52:57,700
if people weren't saying it to 
her, they might even like. 

1077
00:52:57,700 --> 00:53:00,800
Yeah, like that b word Lara, 
very, you know. 

1078
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:01,900
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1079
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,000
It's very compelling. 
This is part of the setup for 

1080
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,100
what would be going on at court 
between certain individuals and 

1081
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,900
ways they would Express their 
Prejudice and maybe try to try 

1082
00:53:11,900 --> 00:53:14,500
to take her down a peg because 
she's there's there'd be a lot 

1083
00:53:14,500 --> 00:53:19,800
of jealousy over her station and
her beauty and things like that.

1084
00:53:21,300 --> 00:53:23,800
And her back. 
She's a foreigner because people

1085
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,700
suck and I hate foreigners. 
And she may have taken some 

1086
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:29,700
pride. 
May have emphasized her West 

1087
00:53:29,700 --> 00:53:31,100
Rossi side. 
Like yes I am. 

1088
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,900
Yes, I'm listening but she would
emphasize that she's the 

1089
00:53:33,900 --> 00:53:36,800
daughter of King. 
Yeah I wonder how much she 

1090
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,900
really internalized that you 
know phobia and hatred like does

1091
00:53:39,900 --> 00:53:46,400
she love and embrace her Vice 
any Heritage or did she downplay

1092
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,400
it and hate it about herself, 
right? 

1093
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,800
Yeah, I really had to really 
open question. 

1094
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,300
I really wonder it's very 
compelling to think about such a

1095
00:53:55,308 --> 00:53:57,600
thing and I wonder if it's like 
the way she dressed. 

1096
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,600
Like we said, she thought gold 
was vulgar, that's a really 

1097
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:03,600
unusual position to take and I'd
like to read into that. 

1098
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,300
Like I said earlier, in the 
intro, but it might just be 

1099
00:54:05,308 --> 00:54:09,300
something simple. 
Like another way to stay out of 

1100
00:54:09,300 --> 00:54:10,600
it. 
Like I'm not a part of this like

1101
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,400
way to Mark herself as separate.
Like I'm neutral I'm I'm reading

1102
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:18,200
my books like she's the reader 
except the reader was like super

1103
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:19,600
hot. 
So people wouldn't Leave him 

1104
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:23,000
alone because we gotta that 
irrelevance relevant chat or 

1105
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:24,600
earlier that I put in them. 
I'll put here. 

1106
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,700
Now you got from tooka tooka. 
They said she doesn't like gold 

1107
00:54:28,700 --> 00:54:30,500
yet. 
Better steel has a golden 

1108
00:54:30,500 --> 00:54:33,400
company to fans on the 
Aesthetics but also yeah. 

1109
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,200
Like she didn't like Gold's 
about was vulgar. 

1110
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,200
Yeah, he called that's that's a 
really good catch. 

1111
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:39,800
Very good cat. 
Yeah. 

1112
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,300
Yeah, absolutely. 
I think I think it's on purpose.

1113
00:54:43,300 --> 00:54:44,900
And that's a great catch. 
Wow. 

1114
00:54:44,900 --> 00:54:46,900
Yeah. 
The golden company and she hated

1115
00:54:46,900 --> 00:54:48,500
Colts as I thought it was 
vulgar. 

1116
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,300
Yes, yeah. 
Better still is vulgar beneath 

1117
00:54:51,300 --> 00:54:54,000
the gold, the bittersteel like 
yeah that's why he's bitter, you

1118
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,300
didn't give your crush what she 
wanted. 

1119
00:54:56,300 --> 00:54:58,900
Like what do you think, man? 
You think the being combative is

1120
00:54:58,900 --> 00:55:00,400
going to work? 
No, course not. 

1121
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,300
George is really laid some 
excellent groundwork for these 

1122
00:55:03,300 --> 00:55:07,600
personal relationships, which is
what we started describing, why?

1123
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:13,000
Barristan, perceives the 
squabbling over, she era between

1124
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,200
Egor and Brendan as a crucial 
factor in the blackfyre. 

1125
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,200
Rebellion ends. 
I like this pointing ahead here.

1126
00:55:19,300 --> 00:55:21,400
Here. 
Yeah, about what, you know, the 

1127
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,300
debate on whether Cheryl took 
pride or not in her life said, 

1128
00:55:24,300 --> 00:55:28,000
he Heritage, you know, Compares 
it to Henry the fourth 

1129
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,900
granddaughter and Marie Louise 
dorland's. 

1130
00:55:30,900 --> 00:55:35,000
Who, when asked about her 
maternal, grandmother said that 

1131
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,400
the woman was not her 
grandmother because she was not 

1132
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:41,000
a queen. 
Yeah, I'm only. 

1133
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,300
Yeah, if you're not a queen, you
can't be my relative. 

1134
00:55:44,100 --> 00:55:45,300
Wow? 
Really? 

1135
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,800
That is Hottie right there? 
Yeah. 

1136
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:54,500
How hot each year was I mean and
to be very you can be haughty 

1137
00:55:54,500 --> 00:55:57,700
and expressed that but not 
really feel it deep down like 

1138
00:55:57,700 --> 00:56:01,800
she might have put on an air of 
- to like protect herself but 

1139
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:06,100
might have still had a lot of 
insecurities about her parentage

1140
00:56:06,100 --> 00:56:10,100
and her grandparents and all of 
that same as this likely this 

1141
00:56:10,100 --> 00:56:13,100
Anne-Marie will be squirrel. 
Actually probably like said that

1142
00:56:13,100 --> 00:56:16,600
but like said it because she's 
bothered by her Heritage. 

1143
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:20,000
Hmm. 
So an open question is what 

1144
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,700
happened to large on after? 
Whether he cared, what happened 

1145
00:56:23,700 --> 00:56:25,400
to Sierra weather? 
Just gave up his Ambitions 

1146
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,800
because they're on fired all of 
aegon's small Council so he was 

1147
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:32,300
he was out so he probably went 
back then old town and back to 

1148
00:56:32,300 --> 00:56:37,500
being lord of the high tower 
tough break for him but there is

1149
00:56:37,500 --> 00:56:41,200
no is daeron the good right? 
Yes yeah I can imagine the next 

1150
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:45,300
king executing with the council.
Yeah yeah I was a bit too Pious 

1151
00:56:45,300 --> 00:56:47,400
and trying to keep you didn't 
want any yeah you're executing. 

1152
00:56:47,500 --> 00:56:50,700
Young Lord hightower's a bit. 
Yeah, risky. 

1153
00:56:53,900 --> 00:56:57,000
We don't know if they maintain 
contact if it mattered or it's 

1154
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:58,900
not clear. 
Like, she was so much older 

1155
00:56:58,900 --> 00:57:01,200
shares, only like 23 years old 
at this point so it's not like 

1156
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,700
he can like stay in contact via 
letter. 

1157
00:57:03,700 --> 00:57:07,900
You know, it seems kind of 
strange to stay in contact with 

1158
00:57:07,900 --> 00:57:11,800
the bastard of the mistress you 
brought for the king. 

1159
00:57:12,500 --> 00:57:21,100
Yeah, we're transparent. 
So, in 1884, right before Darren

1160
00:57:21,100 --> 00:57:24,100
becomes king, she gets 
legitimize like all her Blings 

1161
00:57:24,100 --> 00:57:27,100
and others all her 
half-siblings, the many of them 

1162
00:57:27,700 --> 00:57:30,300
she wouldn't have understood 
exactly the significance of that

1163
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,900
at her age but later as she grew
into it, she would've been like,

1164
00:57:33,900 --> 00:57:36,400
huh, well but like all the other
she didn't call herself 

1165
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:40,000
Targaryen and that's an open 
question as to why probably 

1166
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,900
because dangerous puts them in 
the line of fire makes them 

1167
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:44,600
Target. 
Makes them dangerous. 

1168
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,200
So make some a Targaryen 
estimate. 

1169
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:52,700
Our Target area has a few 
questions from you all before we

1170
00:57:52,700 --> 00:57:55,200
move into share. 
His later life Lizzie. 

1171
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,800
I've says those poor mistress is
this is probably when reverse 

1172
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,400
cowgirl was invented, whatever? 
It's called. 

1173
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,500
Then I said reverse Dragon. 
Right? 

1174
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:06,700
First dragon from yeah. 
Seriously painkiller Jane says 

1175
00:58:06,700 --> 00:58:09,800
probably from Serena's Island 
Home Star, the seats. 

1176
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,600
See starved, see name. 
And then yeah, if you do said 

1177
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:14,800
well, Lisa is an island 
city-state with ports could see 

1178
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:16,600
her being named in relation to 
that. 

1179
00:58:16,900 --> 00:58:18,800
Yeah, it does fit. 
I did think of that. 

1180
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:20,500
I wonder. 
It's hard to think of anything 

1181
00:58:20,500 --> 00:58:22,300
else. 
Honestly, I like that a lot 

1182
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:25,500
painkiller Gentiles So pointed 
out, her name could also be 

1183
00:58:25,500 --> 00:58:29,600
derived from shirokiya. 
The Dothraki word for bleeding 

1184
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,100
star. 
Yes, I got that for a second 

1185
00:58:32,100 --> 00:58:36,000
because Shawn you noticed that 
too, let me explain the word he 

1186
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,800
or she Rach Gia is the Dothraki 
word for bleeding star. 

1187
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:44,300
Meaning the red comet in this 
context, the Chirac is star and 

1188
00:58:44,300 --> 00:58:47,600
death rakia is bleeding. 
We know that because of well 

1189
00:58:47,700 --> 00:58:50,200
David Peterson wrote this 
language and it's not that hard 

1190
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:54,900
to look these things up. 
So Chirac meaning star is very 

1191
00:58:54,900 --> 00:58:58,600
interesting, isn't it? 
That she era is seizure C star. 

1192
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,500
I think this is somewhat 
straightforward explanation from

1193
00:59:01,500 --> 00:59:04,900
this Dothraki language probably 
derives in part from Valyrian 

1194
00:59:04,900 --> 00:59:08,700
valyria is way older than the 
Dothraki people and they 

1195
00:59:08,700 --> 00:59:13,100
dominated that region for 
thousands of years at the track.

1196
00:59:13,100 --> 00:59:16,200
He's language has some 
connection to the Valyrian 

1197
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,400
language. 
Makes some sense to me, if in 

1198
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:23,500
proximus is time, I was 
surprised when we were, when I 

1199
00:59:23,508 --> 00:59:25,700
was starting to do research for 
this episode, you know, one of 

1200
00:59:25,700 --> 00:59:28,300
the things I do is I'd go to a 
search of Ice and Fire and, you 

1201
00:59:28,300 --> 00:59:31,800
know, search the topic or some 
subtopics are connected, 

1202
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:35,900
keywords, whatever, they know, I
searched Serie C star and like 

1203
00:59:35,900 --> 00:59:39,100
Five results and like, how does 
this character have so much 

1204
00:59:39,100 --> 00:59:42,600
Mystique around her? 
And I like people cosplayer, 

1205
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,700
we're doing a whole episode, and
there's only five, so, I thought

1206
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,400
maybe it's a glitch. 
Let me, let me just try just 

1207
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,300
Sierra instead of see Stark, 
just maybe I'll find More. 

1208
00:59:51,300 --> 00:59:53,700
Maybe they don't always refer to
her the whole name and his 

1209
00:59:53,700 --> 00:59:55,500
quote. 
This, you know, this is B with 

1210
00:59:55,500 --> 01:00:00,000
Danny and the in the comic came 
up and it's a slightly different

1211
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,900
word but it was so similar I 
couldn't ignore it especially 

1212
01:00:02,900 --> 01:00:07,100
when the meaning was so similar 
with said, you know, these star 

1213
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:08,000
etc. 
Etc. 

1214
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,700
So I was in my mind just 
thinking about like directions, 

1215
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,000
George might have been going or 
Parallels. 

1216
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:15,800
He was trying to draw it and 
connected. 

1217
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,100
It might just be like a language
standard, David Peterson piece 

1218
01:00:18,100 --> 01:00:20,700
together, but which it could 
still be both those things. 

1219
01:00:20,700 --> 01:00:23,200
But Don't know quite what to 
draw for this but I thought it 

1220
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:24,900
was noteworthy. 
What wouldn't it be in the David

1221
01:00:24,900 --> 01:00:26,300
J? 
Peterson made that connection. 

1222
01:00:26,300 --> 01:00:28,600
It would be that this this 
existed for build on it. 

1223
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:32,500
Yeah, built on this existed in 
the books, prior to his 

1224
01:00:32,500 --> 01:00:34,100
involvement. 
In your language, that phrase 

1225
01:00:34,100 --> 01:00:37,600
shiraki was one that David had 
to add to his lexicon when 

1226
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:39,600
starting off he's like, hey what
words do we already have? 

1227
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:41,500
Because that's, that's book one.
So yeah, Peterson wasn't 

1228
01:00:41,500 --> 01:00:42,500
involved. 
Yeah. 

1229
01:00:42,500 --> 01:00:45,500
That was one of the much later 
that one of the building blocks 

1230
01:00:45,500 --> 01:00:47,700
of how to build the Dothraki 
language. 

1231
01:00:47,700 --> 01:00:48,600
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1232
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:50,500
It's unclear would have been if 
David? 

1233
01:00:51,100 --> 01:00:53,400
Guided to connect, that's Rocky 
and blurry and at all either. 

1234
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,500
He may not have considered this 
link between their them. 

1235
01:00:56,500 --> 01:01:00,000
Proximity wise region wise or he
may have decided just that's not

1236
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,300
how it would have worked. 
You may have intentionally. 

1237
01:01:02,300 --> 01:01:05,300
Don't that way matter 
clarification it's book to 

1238
01:01:05,300 --> 01:01:06,300
write. 
I'm sorry. 

1239
01:01:06,300 --> 01:01:07,400
Yes, you're right book. 
Tune up. 

1240
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:08,600
Okay. 
Yeah, you're totally right. 

1241
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:11,400
The comic comes right at the end
and they named it. 

1242
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:12,800
Beginning of the to. 
Yeah, you're right. 

1243
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:17,300
Dang, just also that and 
balerion the translation for 

1244
01:01:17,300 --> 01:01:20,700
stars not share at all. 
It is Telos. 

1245
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:21,600
Hello. 
Okay. 

1246
01:01:21,700 --> 01:01:23,800
Yeah that's very different. 
All right cool right if it might

1247
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:28,100
just be a coincidence them. 
Yeah I mean it might not be as 

1248
01:01:28,100 --> 01:01:30,500
my other point is that it might 
not be a coincidence in the 

1249
01:01:30,500 --> 01:01:35,300
books and then David simply did 
not, you know. 

1250
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,900
Yeah sure think about that at 
that relation potentially I 

1251
01:01:38,908 --> 01:01:41,500
suppose but I don't I think 
George did it on purpose in the 

1252
01:01:41,500 --> 01:01:44,500
books. 
Personally, share a sea star 

1253
01:01:44,500 --> 01:01:49,200
longtime Patron at and listener.
And who I joked with them about?

1254
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:53,200
Who are you voting for in this? 
This poll, they did, in fact, 

1255
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:56,400
vote for Shira and they say 
considering her mother died in 

1256
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:57,700
childbirth. 
It's no wonder she'd want to 

1257
01:01:57,700 --> 01:01:58,900
stay single. 
Maybe marriage is quite 

1258
01:01:58,900 --> 01:02:01,400
endangered mother. 
Yeah, I mean I think we can just

1259
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:04,200
take that as fact throwing from 
Shara, C star herself. 

1260
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:07,500
She's weighed in seriously Stars
cannon on sheer. 

1261
01:02:07,500 --> 01:02:10,400
Sea star. 
Yes, that's true. 

1262
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,500
Yeah, and it makes sense because
we've cast share as a highly 

1263
01:02:13,500 --> 01:02:17,300
intelligent persons when you can
look you can see stimulus and 

1264
01:02:17,300 --> 01:02:20,000
result better than a lot of 
other people whose detached and 

1265
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:26,000
more educated and And it is less
beholden to following in 

1266
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,500
lockstep with existing societal 
Norms. 

1267
01:02:28,700 --> 01:02:31,100
Yeah, I could see her thing like
know. 

1268
01:02:31,100 --> 01:02:34,700
Like why would I do that? 
Like, it's such a risk to me and

1269
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,200
children any children, I have 
could be in danger because of 

1270
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:41,500
their Heritage and yeah, it's 
just, it doesn't make sense, you

1271
01:02:41,500 --> 01:02:45,100
know? 
So for a lot of reasons, Joe 

1272
01:02:45,100 --> 01:02:47,600
magician says just on a basic 
level the person she was closest

1273
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:50,500
to is the widely feared weird 
and notable Outsider bloodraven 

1274
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,100
see Seems like a towel that they
bonded over having similar 

1275
01:02:53,100 --> 01:02:54,800
experiences at court, that's a 
good point. 

1276
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:58,200
They both were a little bit 
isolated Like Blood Ravens, mom 

1277
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:01,100
was popular and that gave him a 
bit of an in route but like just

1278
01:03:01,100 --> 01:03:04,600
from his look and his his 
interests. 

1279
01:03:04,700 --> 01:03:09,100
He was an Insider Outsider kind 
of like she was like all the 

1280
01:03:09,100 --> 01:03:13,700
benefits of being a Targaryen 
connections to the royal family 

1281
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,700
both Karen and she Darren was 
liked bloodraven was like by 

1282
01:03:17,700 --> 01:03:20,900
dare on maybe Shara was to maybe
they helped him. 

1283
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:24,200
Him and either way, he kept them
close as we're told, because he 

1284
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:26,900
that was his policy towards 
dealing with threats was the 

1285
01:03:26,900 --> 01:03:29,100
old, keep your enemies, your 
friends, close your enemies, 

1286
01:03:29,100 --> 01:03:31,200
closer kind of thing, and not 
that he saw them as enemies, he 

1287
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:33,400
saw them as potential dangers 
because of their Heritage and 

1288
01:03:33,900 --> 01:03:36,100
they've been legitimized by his 
their awful father. 

1289
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:40,100
Folks, we are still in the midst
of our patreon drive. 

1290
01:03:40,100 --> 01:03:43,100
If you want to sign up now, 
we're going to cut it off. 

1291
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:45,500
Around the time, we start Fire 
and Blood, we're going to cut 

1292
01:03:45,500 --> 01:03:49,200
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1293
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:52,100
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1294
01:03:52,700 --> 01:03:54,700
We have a lot of benefits you 
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1295
01:03:54,700 --> 01:03:57,500
Two dollars a month including 
one of the biggest ones is not 

1296
01:03:57,500 --> 01:04:01,200
hearing ads like this one and 
any inserted add that comes from

1297
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:05,800
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other podcast networks, assuming

1298
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:09,600
those are still In play, but 
usually it Spotify, Those ads 

1299
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:11,800
won't play you. 
Listen on the patreon RSS feed 

1300
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:16,800
where there are not such things.
Let's talk a little bit about 

1301
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,200
some of our fun experiences at 
ice and fire con. 

1302
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,400
We want to shout ice and fire 
con out and share our love of 

1303
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:25,100
that event. 
It won't be happening next year 

1304
01:04:25,100 --> 01:04:28,400
and it should be back in 20, 25.
Want to make sure we share a 

1305
01:04:28,408 --> 01:04:30,900
little extra love since we won't
be having much to say about it 

1306
01:04:30,900 --> 01:04:34,700
next year. 
I wanted to say a thing about 

1307
01:04:34,700 --> 01:04:36,900
musical, which will be out for 
everyone to watch will be 

1308
01:04:36,900 --> 01:04:41,000
sharing links, but I wanted to 
hand as he's my Memento for me. 

1309
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:45,200
Here you go. 
Vote young grass, young, aegon, 

1310
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:49,600
that's Daisy, a folk wise, they 
played young Griff in the 

1311
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:54,100
musical and handed out these 
flyers campaign Flyers during it

1312
01:04:54,100 --> 01:04:58,000
and it was very delightful and I
saved one and framed it as did 

1313
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,000
some other people, and I'm going
to hang it up. 

1314
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,600
But before I hung it up, I 
thought I would show it off to 

1315
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:04,100
y'all. 
Hey, it's great. 

1316
01:05:04,100 --> 01:05:07,700
Yeah, we talked a little about 
the musical last year, it was 

1317
01:05:07,700 --> 01:05:09,200
the same one. 
They sometimes do the same 

1318
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,300
musical, two years in a row, 
because it's such a big 

1319
01:05:11,300 --> 01:05:13,400
production. 
Ian and enables them to maybe 

1320
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:16,800
tied it up or maybe make a few 
changes and it's so good. 

1321
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:19,800
So funny. 
It's based on Queens the musical

1322
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:24,800
and it's westerosi queens and 
that the young agon part comes 

1323
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:29,400
from a little skit that falls 
during the bit about Arianne 

1324
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:35,400
Martell and it has young Griff 
getting on Tinder and swiping, a

1325
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,800
different queens and princesses 
of Westeros. 

1326
01:05:38,100 --> 01:05:39,700
It's great. 
It's great. 

1327
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:44,800
Yeah, if you are impatient We 
the original Queens musical is 

1328
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:46,900
on YouTube right now and you 
could watch it there. 

1329
01:05:47,100 --> 01:05:50,100
But if you're patient, you can 
wait for the new version, that's

1330
01:05:50,100 --> 01:05:54,400
just yeah. 
So I dressed up as upscale Crag 

1331
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,500
has crabs heater. 
I had a mask, the same mask, he 

1332
01:05:57,500 --> 01:06:01,400
has a 3D printed mask of his, 
you know, Harpy mask, that was 

1333
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:07,100
kind of melted and I had a suit 
jacket with gold all over it and

1334
01:06:07,100 --> 01:06:10,400
some crab necklaces, I had a 
ring on every finger and I had 

1335
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:13,000
suit pants with gold trim. 
All over the map was of blinged 

1336
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:15,500
up crab feeder for sure. 
Yeah, gold shoe. 

1337
01:06:15,500 --> 01:06:19,000
Laces on my dress shoes are for 
Nami, had a matching 

1338
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:21,700
high-fashion crab Peter and I 
were together it was cool to see

1339
01:06:21,700 --> 01:06:24,200
a couple crab feeders. 
We were big crabs as big theme 

1340
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:26,600
of the weekend. 
I even had a dark sister tats, a

1341
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:28,900
temporary tattoo on my chest 
that people could see. 

1342
01:06:28,900 --> 01:06:31,200
It was like, you know, because 
that's what kills me. 

1343
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,700
That's correct. 
Figures picture on screen for 

1344
01:06:34,700 --> 01:06:36,600
everyone to see, is he? 
Yes. 

1345
01:06:36,700 --> 01:06:40,000
And I me in their crab feeder 
outfits and you see the 

1346
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:43,100
necklaces are giving out. 
Marty Of beads, I gave a lot of 

1347
01:06:43,107 --> 01:06:46,400
people crabs. 
Haha, yeah, that was crap. 

1348
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,500
I didn't like people crab one 
crab one crab. 

1349
01:06:49,500 --> 01:06:52,400
Each know multiple crab that 
gets out of hand big. 

1350
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:55,400
Shout out to the organizers, the
volunteers and the small Council

1351
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:58,100
of nicaea Park on put in a lot 
of work to make sure we all have

1352
01:06:58,100 --> 01:07:00,300
a great time and we appreciate 
it. 

1353
01:07:00,300 --> 01:07:04,900
And we did a parade by the way. 
Yeah, Tommy organized, got had a

1354
01:07:04,900 --> 01:07:08,500
snare drum and we like marched 
across the hotel leading into 

1355
01:07:08,500 --> 01:07:11,200
the masquerade ball. 
That night, it wasn't a fun 

1356
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:12,900
moment. 
Yeah, Got a good job of it, that

1357
01:07:12,900 --> 01:07:14,900
I will be sharing. 
I'm going to get through all my 

1358
01:07:14,900 --> 01:07:17,500
pictures and videos and share 
them on Facebook and photos and 

1359
01:07:17,500 --> 01:07:20,600
all that. 
I think we had 12 griemann of 

1360
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:24,000
the Isle of faces, right? 
Mashup. 

1361
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,700
Her mashup of Charlie Day and 
yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1362
01:07:26,700 --> 01:07:28,400
Charlie Kelly Green, Man. 
Safely. 

1363
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:31,000
Saving Our lives. 
Our lives right now, right? 

1364
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:31,900
Yeah. 
It was great there. 

1365
01:07:31,900 --> 01:07:35,400
There were dozens of us so we 
like double their numbers and we

1366
01:07:35,408 --> 01:07:38,400
had two green people competing 
in the tourney melee because it 

1367
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:41,700
was Sean and Ally both 
representative. 

1368
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:46,000
Us is very lovely. 
Yeah, I wanted to say I'm share 

1369
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:49,200
a brief story about The Faceless
Man game, which I always 

1370
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:53,600
participate in and this year 
Tommy Pappas was playing too, 

1371
01:07:54,100 --> 01:07:57,000
and so, the first night of the 
con Skelly night, we're hosting 

1372
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:58,900
our party together, the Skelly 
party. 

1373
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:01,800
And you know we're talk, we had 
to like come to an agreement to 

1374
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:04,300
be like we're we don't have each
other as we're not each other's 

1375
01:08:04,300 --> 01:08:06,700
targets right now because like 
otherwise how are we going to 

1376
01:08:06,700 --> 01:08:09,000
make this party? 
Fucking let me jump into the 

1377
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:11,300
faceless Man. 
Game is like a party game that 

1378
01:08:11,300 --> 01:08:13,400
happens throughout. 
The whole weekend where fastened

1379
01:08:13,500 --> 01:08:15,800
because it's an assassin game 
where certain people who are 

1380
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:19,100
playing our hunting, other 
people who were just at the con 

1381
01:08:19,399 --> 01:08:21,500
and then no one knows who's 
trying to kill who or whose 

1382
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:23,100
targets are. 
So this is kind of an open thing

1383
01:08:23,100 --> 01:08:26,700
where, unless there's collusion 
which girls go on, I will admit 

1384
01:08:26,899 --> 01:08:28,700
a certain amount of like, we're,
I want to point out. 

1385
01:08:28,700 --> 01:08:30,700
I was in this too, by the way. 
Sean was in it too. 

1386
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,800
So, on Skelly night, I get my 
target. 

1387
01:08:33,899 --> 01:08:37,399
It's the my target is Guy, David
who made pizza for the whole 

1388
01:08:37,399 --> 01:08:39,500
party and you tried to kill him 
anyway. 

1389
01:08:39,500 --> 01:08:43,399
Well II didn't kill him. 
Wait until the pizza was like 

1390
01:08:43,399 --> 01:08:48,700
giving out and then I can save 
it and I killed him and I was 

1391
01:08:48,700 --> 01:08:49,899
great. 
And then he gives me his Target 

1392
01:08:49,899 --> 01:08:53,800
and he's like, okay, my target 
is Tommy, and I was like, oh no,

1393
01:08:54,100 --> 01:08:57,000
that's like my clothes. 
I can't kill him tonight. 

1394
01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:00,399
So I simply did not. 
I did not kill him. 

1395
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:04,399
And I went, I was like, I'm 
gonna give him the night, you 

1396
01:09:04,399 --> 01:09:06,399
know. 
Well then I'm talking to a 

1397
01:09:06,407 --> 01:09:10,399
fellow over pizza. 
And what do you know, he kills 

1398
01:09:10,399 --> 01:09:13,100
me. 
Good job. 

1399
01:09:13,100 --> 01:09:15,399
Good job. 
And I give him his new Target, 

1400
01:09:15,399 --> 01:09:17,200
which is Tommy. 
And I looked, you know, him 

1401
01:09:17,300 --> 01:09:19,700
like, do you know him? 
And he's like, no, I don't know.

1402
01:09:19,700 --> 01:09:22,500
Anyone, like, I didn't even know
who you were, blah, blah. 

1403
01:09:22,500 --> 01:09:25,700
But I'm like, okay, okay, great 
and I look to my like left and 

1404
01:09:25,700 --> 01:09:29,399
Tommy's just in the room with us
and I'm like, oh my God, it's 

1405
01:09:29,399 --> 01:09:31,600
awful. 
And I'm like, trying to distract

1406
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:34,300
him, I keep him in conversation.
I see Tommy like exit, the 

1407
01:09:34,300 --> 01:09:39,100
cabin, and I'm like, okay, bye. 
Nice to meet you about a great 

1408
01:09:39,100 --> 01:09:42,300
and like I follow Tommy out, I 
think and I lose Me, I'm like, 

1409
01:09:42,300 --> 01:09:45,000
oh no, where'd he go? 
And I turned back around and 

1410
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:48,000
Tommy's back in the cabin like 
feet away from his would-be 

1411
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:52,500
assassin. 
So I like, go inside, I run back

1412
01:09:52,500 --> 01:09:56,700
inside and I like grab Tommy 
like a secret service agent, you

1413
01:09:56,700 --> 01:09:59,600
know, like I grabbed him like 
someone is trying to kill you. 

1414
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:01,600
Come with me. 
And I like fairy him out of the 

1415
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:04,100
cabin. 
And as I do, I like make eye 

1416
01:10:04,100 --> 01:10:07,900
contact with the Assassin like 
really intense eye contact. 

1417
01:10:07,900 --> 01:10:11,300
And I know in that moment, he 
knows who his Target is now. 

1418
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,500
And that moment we're like, 
okay, when we gonna do so we 

1419
01:10:14,500 --> 01:10:19,000
sneak Tommy back into the cabin 
back inside. 

1420
01:10:19,100 --> 01:10:23,200
We're Tommy has a costume change
that he'd planned but it is like

1421
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:26,600
the perfect costume, change. 
He going to give people a chance

1422
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:29,200
to guess with the costume us, do
you think anyone might guess 

1423
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:29,900
what? 
He can't. 

1424
01:10:29,900 --> 01:10:33,800
Imagine, that's what the costume
to put it on screen for everyone

1425
01:10:35,100 --> 01:10:40,300
changed into a bikini, a yellow 
bikini, and ski a full ski mask 

1426
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:44,200
and then like went out, Party 
and it was gonna have like 

1427
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:46,900
fishnet fishnets. 
Hey, it's time to hit the stores

1428
01:10:46,900 --> 01:10:49,200
all over them. 
So he does that right? 

1429
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:53,100
And I see this guy, our 
assassin, Botta, like a minute 

1430
01:10:53,100 --> 01:10:56,100
later, like after Tommy's made 
the change and he's like, I see 

1431
01:10:56,100 --> 01:10:59,700
your friend went to bed real. 
Real slick. 

1432
01:10:59,700 --> 01:11:02,400
And I'm like, yeah, yeah, he's 
asleep. 

1433
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:06,300
This isn't his cabin at all and 
like that. 

1434
01:11:06,300 --> 01:11:11,100
He goes to bed and so Tommy 
survives the night, and then the

1435
01:11:11,100 --> 01:11:15,700
next day, Tommy's real, real 
paranoid all day until a person,

1436
01:11:15,700 --> 01:11:19,200
in a son of the harpy mass comes
up to him, and kills him, and 

1437
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:21,900
which was very slick. 
And yeah, that was a very big 

1438
01:11:21,900 --> 01:11:24,300
highlight of my Cod. 
I love the faceless Man game and

1439
01:11:24,300 --> 01:11:28,100
I really loved experiencing it 
with Tommy and saving his life. 

1440
01:11:29,500 --> 01:11:31,600
Yep. 
You just needed to have said, 

1441
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:35,600
come with me. 
If you want to lose a total of 

1442
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:41,100
Terror and Tommy's eyes of a 
crowded room and like covered 

1443
01:11:41,100 --> 01:11:49,400
him with my Ash and I sang A 
filk, we say to this the tune of

1444
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:52,700
Jolene. 
We sang Shereen instead. 

1445
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:56,700
Yeah, we sure begging of you. 
Please don't burn her stand 

1446
01:11:56,900 --> 01:12:00,600
this? 
Yeah, it was my first time doing

1447
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:05,100
karaoke like that. 
And I was real nervous, but it 

1448
01:12:05,100 --> 01:12:07,300
was a nice short little song and
I had a good time. 

1449
01:12:07,300 --> 01:12:10,100
There's a video in our Facebook 
group if you care to watch our 

1450
01:12:10,100 --> 01:12:11,200
song. 
That's right. 

1451
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:12,500
That's right. 
We did the Me First and the 

1452
01:12:12,500 --> 01:12:14,600
Gimme Gimmes version rather than
the Dolly Parton version. 

1453
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:16,100
Because the me first version is 
shorter 

1454
01:12:35,500 --> 01:12:38,100
or even more fired up for that. 
After having done so many 

1455
01:12:38,100 --> 01:12:40,600
stories, I would love to share, 
but most one that was important 

1456
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:43,000
for me was the faceless Man one.
And that took plenty of time, I 

1457
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:45,600
had to communicate Kate this 
store to y'all. 

1458
01:12:45,700 --> 01:12:47,900
Well shout out to you and Tommy 
as well for arranging. 

1459
01:12:47,900 --> 01:12:50,600
The Skelly night party Thursday 
night tradition. 

1460
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:52,300
All did a fantastic job. 
Thank you. 

1461
01:12:52,300 --> 01:12:53,900
It was real fun. 
It was awesome. 

1462
01:12:53,900 --> 01:12:57,600
Maybe 15 16 other people in a 
group chat planning, it only a 

1463
01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:00,900
few weeks before the con. 
But yeah, we went, we went real 

1464
01:13:00,900 --> 01:13:03,600
big with, it was fun. 
Yeah, I said Farah, Khan really 

1465
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,700
relies on people stepping 
forward and making things happen

1466
01:13:06,700 --> 01:13:08,800
because it's not like a 
corporate convention where 

1467
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:11,300
there's people with salaries 
that are paid to make these 

1468
01:13:11,300 --> 01:13:14,200
things happen. 
So, Cause y'all. 

1469
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:16,400
That's what happened. 
Yeah, I was just really happy 

1470
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:17,900
with the the yoga. 
Did. 

1471
01:13:17,900 --> 01:13:31,400
I did 
plank pose at a plank pose. 

1472
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:33,400
Yeah. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1473
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:35,100
That was good. 
That was a good way to like get 

1474
01:13:35,300 --> 01:13:37,900
moving again. 
After Sean did that after 

1475
01:13:37,900 --> 01:13:40,700
hurting himself at the attorney 
at the melee, he had took a 

1476
01:13:40,708 --> 01:13:43,000
little tumble and messed up his 
knee a bit. 

1477
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:47,300
So, the first, You spy hurting, 
my knee was still spectacular. 

1478
01:13:47,300 --> 01:13:49,000
He was limping. 
Sean, not dancing. 

1479
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:51,700
Sean, but yeah, I'm still 
limping Sean to tell you. 

1480
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:55,500
Let's get back to. 
It was like about daeron. 

1481
01:13:55,500 --> 01:13:57,900
The good recalled. 
Darren was her half-brother, but

1482
01:13:57,900 --> 01:14:00,300
it's one of those weird 
half-brothers when your 

1483
01:14:00,300 --> 01:14:02,700
half-brother is 30 years older 
than you. 

1484
01:14:03,500 --> 01:14:05,500
That is. 
Yeah, you don't see a lot of 

1485
01:14:05,500 --> 01:14:10,700
that. 
Now, even in old times or now or

1486
01:14:10,700 --> 01:14:12,500
ever, yeah, you don't see that 
very often. 

1487
01:14:12,700 --> 01:14:15,600
Let's have a quota About what 
she looked like she was Slender 

1488
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:18,300
elegant called the greatest 
beauty of her age. 

1489
01:14:18,300 --> 01:14:22,500
Quote, she had the silver gold 
hair of the targaryens, thick 

1490
01:14:22,500 --> 01:14:25,200
and curling and wore it very 
long. 

1491
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:28,200
At some points in her life. 
It fell well below. 

1492
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:31,300
Her waist almost to the back of 
her knees. 

1493
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:36,600
She had a heart shaped face full
lips and her mismatched eyes 

1494
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:39,500
were strangely large and full of
mischief. 

1495
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:43,700
Her rival said, she used them to
melt men's hearts. 

1496
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:46,100
Look like a Disney Patrick. 
Yeah. 

1497
01:14:46,100 --> 01:14:48,500
Hurting her rivals, in this 
case, not like women. 

1498
01:14:48,500 --> 01:14:51,300
Who were jealous. 
Here's hater. 

1499
01:14:51,300 --> 01:14:52,700
Yeah, haters, that's the right 
term. 

1500
01:14:52,700 --> 01:14:55,400
Her haters said, she used him to
melt Miss, like, well, what 

1501
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:58,800
wouldn't you like? 
They would do that to? 

1502
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:00,800
I would give you that. 
Yeah, I'm using it to freeze 

1503
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:04,200
meant are, or both, she freezes 
them. 

1504
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:06,500
And then, she melts them his so 
much power over the temperature 

1505
01:15:06,500 --> 01:15:11,800
of men's hearts that quote is 
direct from George, not from the

1506
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:14,100
maesters or anything like that. 
So that's that's like Like the 

1507
01:15:14,100 --> 01:15:18,000
way he sort of how he described 
her to amok for drawing. 

1508
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:22,200
That's one bright green eye and 
one dark blue eyes. 

1509
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:26,900
That is outstanding and unusual 
and sounds pretty cool. 

1510
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:30,900
And she's depicted as her 
favorite necklace was a silver 

1511
01:15:30,900 --> 01:15:34,300
necklace, with alternating Star,
Sapphires and emeralds to 

1512
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:39,000
reflect her eye color perfectly.
And as we said, she didn't like 

1513
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:41,600
wearing gold. 
She did like Ivory and cloth of 

1514
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:46,000
silver which Do a lot of pain 
that she was very coordinated, 

1515
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:49,600
like her eye color matches, her 
necklace, her hair color matches

1516
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:53,200
her silver and ivory, and yeah, 
I mean what the heck? 

1517
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:56,000
She's super super beautiful. 
So like, apparently she 

1518
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:59,100
accessorized well also. 
So none of her close Brothers 

1519
01:15:59,300 --> 01:16:02,700
had these features really in 
combination. 

1520
01:16:02,700 --> 01:16:07,000
Anyway, like Damon had the 
silver hair and the purple eyes.

1521
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:10,600
Hey Gordon had dark hair and 
purple eyes Brendan's, hair was 

1522
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:12,900
white, not silver and he had red
eyes. 

1523
01:16:12,900 --> 01:16:15,100
So his eyes were Also 
outstanding, but in a very 

1524
01:16:15,100 --> 01:16:19,400
different way and of course 
there's a lot of other bastards 

1525
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:21,100
of aegon the fourth who we've 
never seen. 

1526
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:23,700
Like we don't even know what 
Brendan sisters look like his 

1527
01:16:23,700 --> 01:16:28,000
half-sisters when us and Mia. 
And for all we know they were 

1528
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:30,100
like friends with Sierra, they 
would have maybe been a. 

1529
01:16:30,100 --> 01:16:32,900
They were pretty close in age, 
probably early, suppose ish. 

1530
01:16:33,100 --> 01:16:36,700
So yeah, kind of unclear there. 
But so, even in terms of 

1531
01:16:36,700 --> 01:16:41,200
appearance, she had some unusual
unique features that would have 

1532
01:16:41,208 --> 01:16:43,700
just like I says, they're just 
added to her beauty. 

1533
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:49,000
I'm making her more outstanding 
and unique, as from 180 to 185 

1534
01:16:49,100 --> 01:16:52,800
996 ish. 
That's when she was about just 

1535
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:56,800
born to about age 14. 
So, I'm like her siblings, there

1536
01:16:56,800 --> 01:17:00,400
weren't questions about her 
birth right Daemon, blackfyre, 

1537
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:03,600
and King daeron there were all 
sorts of questions and if not 

1538
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:06,600
questions, just considerations 
name and yes, both, his parents 

1539
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:09,400
were Targaryen so that makes 
them better than other bastard, 

1540
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:12,000
blah, blah, blah or family 
politics. 

1541
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:16,600
Like the long-running feud 
between Bracken and black has 

1542
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:17,900
said it right that time. 
Yeah. 

1543
01:17:18,300 --> 01:17:21,000
Obviously fuels the hatred, we 
bittersteel and bloodraven, like

1544
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:22,200
they did just come out of 
nowhere. 

1545
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:24,000
Part of that is the existing 
Grudge between their two 

1546
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:28,700
families and the sitting current
fighting between them to be as 

1547
01:17:28,700 --> 01:17:30,300
close to the king as they could 
be first. 

1548
01:17:30,300 --> 01:17:33,200
It's Barbara, then it's Melissa 
Blackwood then it's Bethany 

1549
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:35,700
Bracken. 
So shares not involved in any of

1550
01:17:35,708 --> 01:17:39,100
that because her mother not only
dies young but isn't connected 

1551
01:17:39,100 --> 01:17:43,100
to any of that past feuding 
politicking. 

1552
01:17:43,500 --> 01:17:46,200
John Hightower if there was any 
business with him. 

1553
01:17:46,300 --> 01:17:48,300
He was at least one degree 
separate from it. 

1554
01:17:48,700 --> 01:17:51,800
Nino says, it's interesting to 
speculate where she lived. 

1555
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:56,400
She probably lived at court 
because of this Lack of 

1556
01:17:56,500 --> 01:18:00,500
problematic Heritage and family 
politicking that would have 

1557
01:18:00,500 --> 01:18:03,200
gotten in the way. 
On the other hand, Darren might 

1558
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:05,000
not have wanted to raise her. 
Right? 

1559
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:07,300
With the other children, the 
other Royal children the same 

1560
01:18:07,300 --> 01:18:11,300
age to sort of differentiate her
in a sense, on the other hand, 

1561
01:18:11,300 --> 01:18:13,000
he kept the great bastards 
clothes for said. 

1562
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:16,200
So he may have treated her as 
one of the group in order to 

1563
01:18:16,700 --> 01:18:20,200
keep her from feeling isolated, 
which would in long-term, a 

1564
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:23,600
beekeeper in the fold and make 
it less likely that she would 

1565
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:26,500
say join another faction. 
Or her Heritage could be used 

1566
01:18:26,500 --> 01:18:28,800
against them, her bloodline, or 
whatever. 

1567
01:18:29,300 --> 01:18:35,000
And maybe that impacted her 
young upbringing as a as a 

1568
01:18:35,008 --> 01:18:37,100
scholar. 
If he was allowed to stay at the

1569
01:18:37,100 --> 01:18:40,500
red keep, which I do suspect. 
I don't know where she would 

1570
01:18:40,500 --> 01:18:43,000
have gone summer haul. 
Some real didn't, what was 

1571
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:45,200
around but I don't know if 
that's much better to still 

1572
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:47,200
going to keep her around the 
Royal other Royals. 

1573
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:51,300
So anyway if she's a threat you 
could have gone to the Tower of 

1574
01:18:51,300 --> 01:18:54,000
Joy. 
Ha ha ha no! 

1575
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:57,100
She's at the red. 
You got access to all these 

1576
01:18:57,100 --> 01:18:59,100
great libraries that have on the
books. 

1577
01:18:59,100 --> 01:19:04,000
The same library that are he's 
the first in a decade or a 

1578
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:07,800
decade and a half from now 
discovers the prophecy that the 

1579
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:11,000
dragons will be reborn. 
Again, the very same Library so 

1580
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:14,700
that's the same Library. 
Rhaegar discovers and says, I 

1581
01:19:14,900 --> 01:19:18,400
seems, I must be a warrior. 
So I'll all these things are in 

1582
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:21,800
the red keeps Library, whatever.
And this is post baelor, the 

1583
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:23,600
Blessed it's burning. 
So there is still stuff in 

1584
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:26,800
there, clearly. 
Because He didn't, he clearly 

1585
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:30,500
didn't burn the thing that are 
he's found that said the dragons

1586
01:19:30,500 --> 01:19:33,900
would be born again. 
When she again my supposing it 

1587
01:19:33,900 --> 01:19:37,300
maybe she had some bigger 
picture view what's going on. 

1588
01:19:37,300 --> 01:19:39,900
She had some awareness of some 
prophecy whether she dreamed it 

1589
01:19:39,900 --> 01:19:43,300
herself or read it somewhere or 
someone else dreamed it and told

1590
01:19:43,300 --> 01:19:46,900
her it might have affected her 
interactions. 

1591
01:19:46,900 --> 01:19:50,000
Her getting married or not 
etcetera. 

1592
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:53,400
Yeah like unheard are on it's 
hard to tell what her role was 

1593
01:19:54,100 --> 01:19:58,300
but under area. 
The first he's concerned with 

1594
01:19:58,300 --> 01:20:01,200
prophecy and more was mauritian 
books than ruling. 

1595
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:03,300
He doesn't want to get married 
either, or he did get married 

1596
01:20:03,300 --> 01:20:06,400
and have kids, like, it sounds 
like he had things in common 

1597
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:08,100
with share alike. 
They're both interested in 

1598
01:20:08,100 --> 01:20:09,400
books. 
They don't care about marriage, 

1599
01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:11,800
they're like politics is like 
what a bother. 

1600
01:20:12,100 --> 01:20:15,600
You know there's no evidence of 
a bond between them but they had

1601
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:19,800
things in common and they lived 
at the same time in the same era

1602
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:21,900
and bloodraven. 
We know bloodraven was highly 

1603
01:20:21,900 --> 01:20:24,000
trusted by Aries and Blood 
Ravens, her lover. 

1604
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,600
So like It's one degree of 
separation there. 

1605
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:30,100
So getting a little little ahead
of ourselves by talking about 

1606
01:20:30,100 --> 01:20:35,700
areas that jump run back to the 
time of Tehran and typically 

1607
01:20:35,900 --> 01:20:40,200
young Noble girls, they're not 
around boys except when there's 

1608
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:44,100
a belt around right there. 
It's, they keep it very on the 

1609
01:20:44,100 --> 01:20:47,400
quote-unquote up and up, like 
there's no, no rumors of 

1610
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:49,400
untoward Behavior. 
Right, the way Society has 

1611
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:51,800
always had a Septa with her at 
all times, right. 

1612
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:58,200
A chaperone but the loophole is 
Especially brothers, and her 

1613
01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:02,800
brothers are targaryens. 
And so she did have suitors at 

1614
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:05,700
an early age, whereas someone 
like Sansa like they kept her 

1615
01:21:05,700 --> 01:21:08,500
away from all that because it's 
inappropriate but the targaryens

1616
01:21:08,500 --> 01:21:12,500
have a loophole because of their
exceptionalism and incest and 

1617
01:21:12,500 --> 01:21:14,100
those two things are kind of 
thrown together. 

1618
01:21:14,500 --> 01:21:17,100
That's why I bloodraven and 
bittersteel were so close to her

1619
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:19,200
when they probably shouldn't 
have been like. 

1620
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:22,500
They're already like flirting 
with her and trying to like get 

1621
01:21:22,500 --> 01:21:26,000
her attention when she's like 9 
or 10 or Evan, or even younger 

1622
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:29,500
than Sansa was, which I wonder 
if this affected her later. 

1623
01:21:29,500 --> 01:21:32,800
She's like, this is why she 
never married any of them cuz 

1624
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:36,100
they were like, creepy, from 
early age. 

1625
01:21:36,100 --> 01:21:38,400
She's like, I don't want no 
like, y'all know? 

1626
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:40,800
Yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to
turn this around Karma. 

1627
01:21:40,900 --> 01:21:43,200
Y'all. 
I'm turning this around on you. 

1628
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:46,300
I'm gonna keep you at arm's 
length and make you maybe make 

1629
01:21:46,300 --> 01:21:48,500
you think. 
I might marry you one day but 

1630
01:21:48,500 --> 01:21:50,400
I've never actually going to 
screw you. 

1631
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:54,800
Yeah, I'm done with this but I'm
going to let you think it's it's

1632
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:58,900
Like there's a lot of room for 
her to be very like jaded about 

1633
01:21:58,900 --> 01:22:01,800
the whole thing because of how 
it went for her, as a young 

1634
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:03,200
person before she was ready for 
it. 

1635
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:04,900
Like she's not going to be 
interested in this stuff when 

1636
01:22:04,900 --> 01:22:07,600
she's six, you know, but they 
could already they're already 

1637
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:09,500
looking at her as a 
six-year-old, probably like, oh,

1638
01:22:09,500 --> 01:22:12,400
man, when she's an adult, she's 
gonna look like, uh, you know, 

1639
01:22:12,500 --> 01:22:15,700
that's not normal for this for 
this setting plus because 

1640
01:22:15,700 --> 01:22:17,000
there's power involved in it 
too. 

1641
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:20,400
It's also like, oh, she chose me
over, you brother. 

1642
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:22,900
Like, they want this win over 
each other. 

1643
01:22:23,300 --> 01:22:27,700
So, as she's kind of made into 
an Object, which it's not going 

1644
01:22:27,700 --> 01:22:31,100
to make her more interested. 
And like you're treating me like

1645
01:22:31,100 --> 01:22:33,900
a thing and not a person. 
Like why, what's in it for me 

1646
01:22:33,900 --> 01:22:34,800
here? 
Right? 

1647
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:36,900
So there's a lot of reasons why 
she would be better about the 

1648
01:22:36,907 --> 01:22:40,200
whole process and this kind of 
disinterested in love and again 

1649
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:43,500
this goes back to her not having
a mother and father as well. 

1650
01:22:43,500 --> 01:22:48,800
That's not exactly the best 
thing for having role models of 

1651
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:52,800
healthy relationships around. 
Other than her siblings though. 

1652
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:54,700
There are other like family 
members that could have been in 

1653
01:22:54,700 --> 01:22:56,400
her life. 
They wouldn't have been the same

1654
01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:59,000
age at her, but you wonder about
the women of the made involves 

1655
01:22:59,100 --> 01:23:01,000
like, Dan of the defiant Daemon,
blackfyre is Mom. 

1656
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:04,700
We don't even know if she's 
still alive when she died, but 

1657
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:06,500
she might have some things in 
common with share, even though 

1658
01:23:06,500 --> 01:23:09,200
she's a lot older than her might
have taken her under her Wing or

1659
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:12,300
something to Elena as well, 
who's highly intelligent so that

1660
01:23:12,300 --> 01:23:15,400
might have been something to 
talk to share about not Rana the

1661
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:17,500
SEPTA. 
The one who was more SEPTA, 

1662
01:23:17,500 --> 01:23:20,500
like, I don't think they would 
have had too much to talk about 

1663
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:23,800
the narrative. 
Maybe, you know if she was still

1664
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:26,200
alive, you know, after egg on 
the third Steph she might have 

1665
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:29,200
still been around Dianna Dane 
who married make our? 

1666
01:23:29,700 --> 01:23:33,300
What was her deal? 
She died young and cider another

1667
01:23:33,300 --> 01:23:35,300
Outsider. 
Yeah, she was may be brought in 

1668
01:23:35,300 --> 01:23:37,600
for political reasons because of
the whole situation with Dorn 

1669
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:41,000
and tying Dorn to the realm 
after Daenerys. 

1670
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:44,900
Mary's mayor on a couple, other 
marriages to shore up that 

1671
01:23:44,900 --> 01:23:48,600
situation makes sense. 
So they're on marries his son. 

1672
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:52,400
Make our 2D on a Dane to you've 
got a Sunspear marriage. 

1673
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:55,300
You've got a star fall too far, 
west and sunspears, in the Far 

1674
01:23:55,300 --> 01:23:57,800
East to get sun and stars my sun
and stars. 

1675
01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:01,200
Yeah, that's right. 
So short up on both sides there 

1676
01:24:01,900 --> 01:24:03,500
and there are other half 
sisters, right? 

1677
01:24:03,500 --> 01:24:06,500
All the non-common, all the 
non-noble born, half sisters, 

1678
01:24:06,500 --> 01:24:08,700
that would have been out there. 
Any one of them, she could have 

1679
01:24:08,700 --> 01:24:10,800
sought out or could have sought 
her out as well. 

1680
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:12,700
We've got this in common were 
Bastards of aegon. 

1681
01:24:12,700 --> 01:24:14,800
The Unworthy, maybe we could 
just hang out. 

1682
01:24:15,100 --> 01:24:18,300
Some of them are bloodraven 
sisters, you know? 

1683
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:22,900
Yeah, Rivers maybe had more of a
Reason to have a connection with

1684
01:24:22,900 --> 01:24:25,400
Sheriff share as close with 
their brother. 

1685
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:28,300
Yeah. 
And earlier, we mentioned Daemon

1686
01:24:28,300 --> 01:24:28,800
blackfyre. 
What? 

1687
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:30,500
A Daemon. 
Blackfyre, think of share, maybe

1688
01:24:30,500 --> 01:24:33,300
just she was too young to be of 
much consideration to him. 

1689
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:39,200
She had the he died when he was 
26 and she would have been only 

1690
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:41,700
about 14 or 15. 
So they may just maybe never had

1691
01:24:41,700 --> 01:24:44,200
a whole lot of contact but he 
was in court and got chased out 

1692
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:46,600
and you know was warned they 
were coming for him when that 

1693
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:48,100
happened. 
So he was at court right before 

1694
01:24:48,100 --> 01:24:50,400
the Rebellion broke out, she 
probably was too so they would 

1695
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:53,500
have had contact Maybe she liked
a lot of the other people at 

1696
01:24:53,500 --> 01:24:55,500
court had a crush on him because
he was like the perfect 

1697
01:24:55,500 --> 01:24:59,400
Targaryen in terms of look and 
Manner and bearing and all that.

1698
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:01,200
But she may have just been just 
like all the other guys. 

1699
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:04,100
Like I just don't care. 
No, I'm not, I'm not, he's to 

1700
01:25:04,100 --> 01:25:05,900
he's too old for me, he's 
already married, he's already 

1701
01:25:05,900 --> 01:25:08,600
got kids. 
And speaking of that, his kids, 

1702
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:11,400
his twins, aim, a gun at a man 
who were also killed in the red 

1703
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:12,700
grass field. 
They would have very close in 

1704
01:25:12,700 --> 01:25:15,500
age to her. 
So you wonder maybe that's if 

1705
01:25:15,500 --> 01:25:18,200
Damon took an interest in her 
and that have been for that 

1706
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:19,800
reason. 
I think maybe I should marry one

1707
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:21,400
of my twin Sons to share a sea 
star. 

1708
01:25:21,900 --> 01:25:26,100
Stood like Nick, the family even
more prestigious and I don't 

1709
01:25:26,100 --> 01:25:28,600
know something it. 
Yeah, I mean it's Char up like 

1710
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:32,300
different claims. 
Yeah, just cut them off rather 

1711
01:25:32,300 --> 01:25:34,200
than have all these branches 
flying all over the place. 

1712
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:40,000
You can maybe reduce the number 
of Targaryen branches also Valor

1713
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:41,300
de matar has Baylor break 
Spears. 

1714
01:25:41,300 --> 01:25:42,700
Son's. 
This would have been pretty 

1715
01:25:42,700 --> 01:25:46,000
close in age to share as well. 
They were born around the same 

1716
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:47,700
time, all these people. 
So they are all in the same 

1717
01:25:47,700 --> 01:25:50,600
generation as a lot of open 
questions here, between what 

1718
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:52,600
personal relationship. 
Could have gone on between these

1719
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:54,100
care. 
Allotted, so many Dynamics we 

1720
01:25:54,100 --> 01:25:56,900
can't possibly guess at people 
that you can't just predict who 

1721
01:25:56,907 --> 01:25:58,200
would be friends and who 
wouldn't just because I have 

1722
01:25:58,208 --> 01:26:00,000
things in common doesn't mean 
they like each other it's 

1723
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:01,500
because they don't have things 
in common as I mean they 

1724
01:26:01,500 --> 01:26:04,600
wouldn't, you know, Opposites 
Attract sometimes, who knows. 

1725
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:08,000
So we're really just shining a 
light on what we don't know here

1726
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:11,500
to point out there's a lot when 
the stuff ever gets written or 

1727
01:26:11,500 --> 01:26:13,600
put on TV, it's a lot to work 
with. 

1728
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:15,400
It's a very compelling 
groundwork. 

1729
01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:18,900
Even if it's not super detailed 
in some places care of tire off,

1730
01:26:18,900 --> 01:26:21,300
another one who would have been 
maybe around another Foreigner. 

1731
01:26:21,900 --> 01:26:23,300
Whoo. 
Maybe they would have had 

1732
01:26:23,300 --> 01:26:28,800
something to bond over being not
from there or somewhat, not from

1733
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:31,100
their shares. 
Obviously born in Westeros, but 

1734
01:26:31,300 --> 01:26:33,600
I was your heritage is outside 
Westeros. 

1735
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:36,200
Now Caritas if you get to that 
was that was Darren the 

1736
01:26:36,208 --> 01:26:38,100
drunkards wife. 
He married Val are. 

1737
01:26:38,100 --> 01:26:41,000
And then, yeah, it was Val our 
first and Valor divers, great 

1738
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:44,400
spring sickness and then she 
remarried to to him to bear on 

1739
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:47,800
the drunkard. 
And they only had one girl, who 

1740
01:26:48,300 --> 01:26:50,800
may be died young, she was a 
simpleton so that she wasn't 

1741
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:53,900
really part of this. 
Succession share was a great 

1742
01:26:53,900 --> 01:26:56,100
reader, a big reader of books 
that's why I compared to the 

1743
01:26:56,100 --> 01:26:59,200
reader like a noble who would 
rather just read books and be 

1744
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:01,700
ignored. 
But she can't be ignored because

1745
01:27:02,300 --> 01:27:06,200
she's too attractive and the 
readers who powerful he's the 

1746
01:27:06,208 --> 01:27:07,900
Lord of higher law. 
So like you can't just ignore 

1747
01:27:07,900 --> 01:27:10,700
him, you know, he say when you 
say the reader that was an iron 

1748
01:27:10,700 --> 01:27:11,100
born. 
Yeah. 

1749
01:27:11,100 --> 01:27:11,800
Right. 
Yeah. 

1750
01:27:12,900 --> 01:27:14,200
Roger Karloff. 
Yeah. 

1751
01:27:14,500 --> 01:27:17,900
And he was unlike most ironborn 
a little more intellectual and 

1752
01:27:17,900 --> 01:27:19,400
educated. 
Yes exactly. 

1753
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:21,300
So she's kind of like that. 
She's a lot more. 

1754
01:27:21,500 --> 01:27:25,400
Added then like a like aerion 
brightflame or or even Baylor 

1755
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:27,700
break spear, he was well 
educated but maybe not bookish, 

1756
01:27:27,700 --> 01:27:31,000
you know, but very smart or like
maester aemon who was very 

1757
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:33,300
bookish as well. 
So another person she may have 

1758
01:27:33,300 --> 01:27:35,600
had some things in common with 
like he didn't go to, he went to

1759
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:39,800
the Citadel, you know, in early 
200s if I remember right around 

1760
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:41,300
there. 
So she are have been you know, 

1761
01:27:41,300 --> 01:27:44,500
20-ish by then so they could 
have they could have had some 

1762
01:27:44,700 --> 01:27:46,600
conversations or connections or 
what? 

1763
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:49,200
Who knows? 
She learned a dozen languages. 

1764
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:51,300
That's one of the things that 
just like striking is my God. 

1765
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:53,700
This is a smart person really 
are talented. 

1766
01:27:53,700 --> 01:27:55,700
At least like that is that is no
small thing. 

1767
01:27:55,700 --> 01:27:59,300
So she surely spoke licensing is
one of the most certainly 

1768
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:01,600
because she would, she had 
connections to her mother even 

1769
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:04,400
though her mother wasn't around 
to like teach her given. 

1770
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:06,400
I mean, it's a safe guess I'm 
not 100% sure. 

1771
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:08,400
She knew by sending, you know, a
dozen languages. 

1772
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:11,800
He probably knew the one from 
her family, as well as whatever 

1773
01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:13,300
else. 
We think some languages are then

1774
01:28:13,300 --> 01:28:15,900
like common balerion. 
Yeah. 

1775
01:28:15,900 --> 01:28:19,100
Hi Blair. 
That's three right there but 

1776
01:28:19,100 --> 01:28:20,800
like the Dozen more Really Gonna
name. 

1777
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:22,400
Nine more. 
Images Cheetos. 

1778
01:28:22,900 --> 01:28:25,200
What are these other dialects? 
Like, she knew, maybe maybe she 

1779
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:29,100
knew like this gauri. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, some of them 

1780
01:28:29,100 --> 01:28:30,800
have just been dial, Askari, 
gaze. 

1781
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:35,200
Also known as Askari K. 
So the blackfyre Rebellion, the 

1782
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:40,200
first one broke out 196, she has
no like direct family 

1783
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:42,300
connections except to the split 
here. 

1784
01:28:42,300 --> 01:28:44,800
Like obviously she has no stake 
in it from her own house. 

1785
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:47,600
Like she's not like oh God if 
this side wins I'm screwed or if

1786
01:28:47,608 --> 01:28:51,300
the side wins a know, she's kind
of positioned neutral. 

1787
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:54,800
We it's very personal to her 
like well if she's likes 

1788
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:58,700
bloodraven, then maybe she wants
that side to win or Darren is 

1789
01:28:58,700 --> 01:29:01,400
giving her access to the 
libraries and letting her live 

1790
01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:04,200
there. 
She may not want to have a 

1791
01:29:04,208 --> 01:29:07,500
change at the top because that 
might restrict her access to 

1792
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:10,300
what she has now. 
Why have a change when things 

1793
01:29:10,300 --> 01:29:11,300
are good? 
The way they are. 

1794
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:13,500
You know, that's a with change 
comes uncertainty. 

1795
01:29:13,700 --> 01:29:16,500
Does she really want her to have
siblings fighting against each 

1796
01:29:16,500 --> 01:29:21,000
other para some sources? 
Say, yes, she liked men dueling 

1797
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:23,300
over. 
Although liked is maybe like a 

1798
01:29:23,308 --> 01:29:25,400
cynical thing. 
Like she just thinks the whole 

1799
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:27,400
thing is stupid and like, yeah, 
go ahead, man. 

1800
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:29,900
Like I don't care like you guys 
were idiots. 

1801
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,900
I'm not gonna marry any of you 
anyway like why are you just 

1802
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:36,700
she's toying with out dumb? 
They are you know, I'll accept 

1803
01:29:36,700 --> 01:29:40,700
the outcome of the Duelist. 
I chose Angela sea star. 

1804
01:29:40,700 --> 01:29:44,700
Yes, need to make some point 
like which Fest side of him and 

1805
01:29:44,700 --> 01:29:46,800
she feel closest to if Darren 
was giving her an income, 

1806
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:49,700
another reason just not screw 
with that, like I'll just keep 

1807
01:29:49,700 --> 01:29:53,300
the status quo, it's better than
A whole nother team coming in 

1808
01:29:53,300 --> 01:29:55,000
and taking the throne. 
And who knows what I'll be 

1809
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:57,900
allowed to do. 
Maybe, maybe they're all nightly

1810
01:29:57,900 --> 01:30:00,500
chivalric values. 
Wouldn't allow me to study 

1811
01:30:00,700 --> 01:30:02,800
Supernatural stuff as much? 
I don't know that. 

1812
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:04,500
I mean, Darren was Pious and he 
allowed it. 

1813
01:30:04,500 --> 01:30:07,300
So who knows? 
You know, just one thing. 

1814
01:30:07,300 --> 01:30:10,600
I feel motivated to throw out 
there, I think there's got to be

1815
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:14,100
at least some potential that 
maybe she did like bloodraven in

1816
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:17,100
there. 
Still better still if you like 

1817
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:20,800
it. 
Maybe, maybe she couldn't 

1818
01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:22,800
choose. 
It would be awkward to choose 

1819
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:25,300
one over the other or there's 
that the political pressures but

1820
01:30:25,300 --> 01:30:27,500
maybe she really did. 
I mean, at least semi 

1821
01:30:27,500 --> 01:30:29,800
romantically care for them both.
And it's about have had a period

1822
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:31,900
in her life where she was real 
close with one of them and then 

1823
01:30:31,900 --> 01:30:34,400
a different period where she was
close to them both and it fit 

1824
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:35,800
didn't. 
Yeah, that's true. 

1825
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:39,000
I mean it might have been 
reciprocated for some period of 

1826
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:40,400
time and then not. 
Yeah, you're right. 

1827
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:42,300
There's no reason to think of it
as just a monologue. 

1828
01:30:42,300 --> 01:30:44,100
Her feelings would have been the
same for her whole life. 

1829
01:30:44,100 --> 01:30:46,100
She could have had, they could 
have had falling outs and then 

1830
01:30:46,100 --> 01:30:49,400
getting back together or an 
interesting person young like 

1831
01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:51,200
young, like teen Rings. 
Sheriff. 

1832
01:30:51,500 --> 01:30:54,500
Like she's like 14 might have 
been so different than 28 

1833
01:30:54,500 --> 01:30:57,100
year-old she Rose. 
Yeah absolutely and I feel like 

1834
01:30:57,100 --> 01:31:00,000
as well that she has a lot of 
incentive to be neutral at least

1835
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:02,200
on the outside to project 
neutrality. 

1836
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:03,900
Yeah. 
It doesn't want anyone thinking 

1837
01:31:03,900 --> 01:31:07,000
she's like a spy for the other 
side, or passing info to her 

1838
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:09,400
other brother like you're on our
side, but you had a relationship

1839
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:11,100
with our number one, enemy 
bittersteel. 

1840
01:31:11,100 --> 01:31:14,000
Like just make it clear that 
she's not invoke. 

1841
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:16,600
I'm not involved. 
I'm not connected to any of 

1842
01:31:16,608 --> 01:31:17,900
this. 
I'm just watching to see who 

1843
01:31:17,900 --> 01:31:19,600
wins. 
And I'll congratulate the winner

1844
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:24,900
and just I just want to be with 
my books, you know, this is this

1845
01:31:24,900 --> 01:31:28,900
is kind of comes back to the 
beginning quote where barristan 

1846
01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:34,000
thinks that this rivalry played 
a big role or if not caused it 

1847
01:31:34,100 --> 01:31:37,300
which we know he's exaggerating.
But it's not a completely 

1848
01:31:37,300 --> 01:31:40,100
made-up lie. 
Either there's it's partly true 

1849
01:31:40,100 --> 01:31:43,100
or just not sure how true. 
Like my boss is be that she 

1850
01:31:43,100 --> 01:31:45,500
could have stopped it. 
Okay? 

1851
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:48,200
Maybe she had the power to do 
something that she'd just opted 

1852
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:50,600
not to or maybe she's blamed for
that when she isn't because, you

1853
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:54,100
know, Yeah, women for something.
She's as her duty to do that, 

1854
01:31:54,100 --> 01:31:57,800
but like the assessment might be
like, oh, if she era had loved 

1855
01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:00,600
bittersteel back the wars 
wouldn't have happened. 

1856
01:32:00,700 --> 01:32:01,500
Okay? 
Just like that. 

1857
01:32:01,500 --> 01:32:04,200
Again, that's not on her but 
like she could have stopped it 

1858
01:32:04,200 --> 01:32:06,100
but then she may have been one 
of the few people with the power

1859
01:32:06,100 --> 01:32:09,100
to smooth it over because of 
their love of her. 

1860
01:32:09,100 --> 01:32:11,900
And yeah no and there's no one 
else that they both respected 

1861
01:32:11,900 --> 01:32:15,900
that much that they would agree 
to negotiate with or something 

1862
01:32:15,900 --> 01:32:17,700
like that. 
No one else had their Mutual 

1863
01:32:17,700 --> 01:32:20,800
affection anywhere close to that
level that they had. 

1864
01:32:20,900 --> 01:32:21,800
Or her. 
So yeah. 

1865
01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:23,100
That is it really? 
Yes, she does. 

1866
01:32:23,100 --> 01:32:25,300
Kind of someone that I'm trying 
to paint his neutral. 

1867
01:32:25,300 --> 01:32:28,100
There would be a lot of 
incentive for her, not to be and

1868
01:32:28,100 --> 01:32:31,500
not necessarily that she did. 
But it's a tough spot to be in. 

1869
01:32:31,500 --> 01:32:34,600
So maybe a bit of a tightrope 
walk for her to be there and you

1870
01:32:34,608 --> 01:32:37,100
can imagine also be an 
interesting drama. 

1871
01:32:37,100 --> 01:32:40,400
There would be a lot of conflict
and Intrigue and dilemma that 

1872
01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:43,400
if, you know, if we were to get 
any of this on screen, there's 

1873
01:32:43,400 --> 01:32:48,100
enough there enough players and 
enough, unknown and intrigued, 

1874
01:32:48,100 --> 01:32:53,600
they could stick to Cannon, If 
you will but create a very rich 

1875
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:58,100
story first, I'm picturing it, I
spark on John Eagan, much 

1876
01:32:58,100 --> 01:33:02,100
family, they wrote a telenovela 
script. 

1877
01:33:02,100 --> 01:33:06,700
Forehead Olenna talking to Old 
Man and it was Becca played when

1878
01:33:06,700 --> 01:33:08,100
I was very funny, but I'm 
picturing. 

1879
01:33:08,100 --> 01:33:12,200
This is like a telenovela style 
that Sharon bittersteel and 

1880
01:33:12,200 --> 01:33:15,900
bloodraven and all that only you
can I just bring the sides 

1881
01:33:15,900 --> 01:33:20,100
together. 
You can mend the family 

1882
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:30,500
close-ups on her face tears. 
Forming any eyes before he was 

1883
01:33:30,500 --> 01:33:33,000
like sweet steel and he looks 
now, I will be called Bitter. 

1884
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:41,900
Sweet, Sweet serenity. 
Later rain the so her ages like 

1885
01:33:41,900 --> 01:33:44,100
fifteen to twenty seven is, 
we're gonna, you know, we're a 

1886
01:33:44,100 --> 01:33:46,600
little loose with the timelines 
here because we're not entirely 

1887
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:47,700
sure. 
When she was born that we do, 

1888
01:33:47,700 --> 01:33:49,600
have it narrowed down to a range
of about four years. 

1889
01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:52,600
But we're also kind of jumping 
around with the topics about her

1890
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:55,700
because they are a bit vague in 
some spots. 

1891
01:33:55,900 --> 01:33:58,000
So we said Darren was said to 
have kept the great bastards 

1892
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:02,400
close Shara that may have been 
less of a consideration for him 

1893
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:04,700
because she was the least 
dangerous and a political sense 

1894
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:07,600
because she wasn't double 
Targaryen or Bracken or 

1895
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:12,300
Blackwood or married. 
To a family with a big interest 

1896
01:34:12,300 --> 01:34:15,400
in one side of the other and 
need a says, Serena as well. 

1897
01:34:15,400 --> 01:34:17,700
As seem likely seemed the least 
threatening of all the great 

1898
01:34:17,700 --> 01:34:20,300
bastards for multiple reasons 
are sharabi. 

1899
01:34:20,300 --> 01:34:23,600
She was not remotely of an age 
to consider marriage early on, 

1900
01:34:23,900 --> 01:34:27,600
so she couldn't have been a pain
and the normal considerations 

1901
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:29,800
that makes someone a threat are 
there for her. 

1902
01:34:30,500 --> 01:34:33,900
I wonder if she was used as a 
diplomat or an ambassador. 

1903
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:36,100
Certainly, that's a Theory comes
later. 

1904
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:39,200
Under eggs, rain, which she may 
not even be alive during that 

1905
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:43,700
time. 
But 12 languages, beautiful and 

1906
01:34:43,700 --> 01:34:46,500
kind of intimidating. 
How makes a good Ambassador like

1907
01:34:46,500 --> 01:34:48,500
a representative. 
Someone that's knows how to talk

1908
01:34:48,500 --> 01:34:51,600
some his courtly and experienced
feels like that would have been 

1909
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:55,200
a good role for her mate. 
Like she simply has seems to 

1910
01:34:55,200 --> 01:35:00,600
have the qualifications and the 
disposition and just a lot of 

1911
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:03,300
qualities that you need to have 
a Time, some expert on what 

1912
01:35:03,300 --> 01:35:05,900
those qualities are. 
But feels right, you know, 

1913
01:35:05,900 --> 01:35:08,500
someone who's like little 
disconnected but has all the 

1914
01:35:08,600 --> 01:35:10,700
raised a court. 
Yeah, just I feel like that 

1915
01:35:10,700 --> 01:35:13,100
works. 
On the other hand, they're on 

1916
01:35:13,100 --> 01:35:17,400
may not have liked this idea 
because for Heritage and just he

1917
01:35:17,400 --> 01:35:20,000
doesn't want her making 
connections or maybe her 

1918
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:22,700
connections to sorcery, might 
have made him uncomfortable 

1919
01:35:22,700 --> 01:35:24,600
using her as a representative 
because he's so Pious. 

1920
01:35:25,100 --> 01:35:27,400
I mean there, I don't know. 
There might still have been the 

1921
01:35:27,400 --> 01:35:31,500
exact xenophobia we mentioned. 
Yaks, is a mention as multiple 

1922
01:35:31,500 --> 01:35:36,700
reasons, why someone might say, 
hey, yeah, this person has all 

1923
01:35:36,700 --> 01:35:39,800
the qualities you want in a 
diplomat and an ambassador but 

1924
01:35:39,900 --> 01:35:43,500
But they make us look terrible, 
you know, which I don't think is

1925
01:35:43,500 --> 01:35:47,200
true, but it might be, I feel 
like Darren would want to do 

1926
01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:50,400
that because he was known for 
having a more diverse cord like 

1927
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:53,500
he had Masters and Scholars and 
Poets and musicians, and more 

1928
01:35:53,500 --> 01:35:56,400
women than West Rossi were used 
to seeing at court. 

1929
01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:58,900
He was trying to have a more to 
use of modern. 

1930
01:35:58,900 --> 01:36:02,200
He was, he was Progressive, even
though he was also religious, 

1931
01:36:02,200 --> 01:36:04,900
which is not something you kind 
of tend to associate together, 

1932
01:36:05,200 --> 01:36:08,000
but it that's a thing people. 
There's religious progressives 

1933
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:11,200
that's a thing for sure. 
I heard of Martin Luther. 

1934
01:36:11,200 --> 01:36:13,500
Yeah, like, absolutely. 
Like, it's just the matter of 

1935
01:36:13,500 --> 01:36:16,000
the time and place for what. 
Can what sensitive relative 

1936
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:17,200
sometimes? 
Yeah, absolutely. 

1937
01:36:17,200 --> 01:36:20,200
So ringing door and into the 
realm was very Progressive at 

1938
01:36:20,200 --> 01:36:22,500
the time, it was like the old 
garbage, like know, there are 

1939
01:36:22,700 --> 01:36:25,700
life term Lifeline, lifelong 
enemies, we have to fight them 

1940
01:36:26,100 --> 01:36:28,000
now. 
You have dornish princesses just

1941
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:30,400
hanging out here. 
It's like that was offensive to 

1942
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:34,000
them. 
So Darren may have yielded to 

1943
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:37,300
that to political expediency. 
But I think he would have wanted

1944
01:36:37,300 --> 01:36:42,400
to show the diversity of of his 
court and the intelligence of 

1945
01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:45,500
the people that he kept close 
and shares a smart person. 

1946
01:36:45,500 --> 01:36:46,700
So would have maybe reflect on 
him. 

1947
01:36:46,700 --> 01:36:51,400
Well, if if the xenophobia 
wasn't too overwhelming, which 

1948
01:36:51,400 --> 01:36:54,300
it may have been, it's also 
possible that she could have 

1949
01:36:54,500 --> 01:36:58,700
gone along with diplomats to 
learn from or be an advisor for.

1950
01:36:58,700 --> 01:37:01,200
So maybe if she wouldn't be 
accepted as a foreigner as a 

1951
01:37:01,200 --> 01:37:04,700
woman but she still has the 
insight and the best interest of

1952
01:37:04,700 --> 01:37:07,200
the court in mind or whatever so
she can go along with someone 

1953
01:37:07,200 --> 01:37:09,300
else. 
I like that idea, like not the 

1954
01:37:09,300 --> 01:37:10,700
only enough. 
Lead Diplomat. 

1955
01:37:10,700 --> 01:37:12,500
But part of the Diplomatic 
party. 

1956
01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:15,100
Yeah, she'd be in the group. 
Maybe not the actual leader of 

1957
01:37:15,100 --> 01:37:17,000
it. 
Let's talk about marriage and 

1958
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:19,400
why she never got married and 
play around with this notion of 

1959
01:37:19,407 --> 01:37:23,100
bit and but it did for it said, 
she refused many suitors. 

1960
01:37:23,400 --> 01:37:25,800
Maybe politics played a role, 
she just didn't want to choose 

1961
01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:28,200
because choosing a marriage. 
Using husband means, take, 

1962
01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:30,800
you're going to end up on a side
either then or later. 

1963
01:37:31,500 --> 01:37:33,000
She's seen all these Civil War. 
She comes. 

1964
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:36,300
She's born when she was there. 
This was blackfyre Rebellion. 

1965
01:37:36,300 --> 01:37:38,400
'S comes along. 
That's the second Targaryen 

1966
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:40,800
Civil War of that century. 
Right. 

1967
01:37:40,800 --> 01:37:44,800
So she's well aware of Dance of 
the dragons and what it cost, 

1968
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:48,400
the family dragons, right? 
And now the blackfyre rebellion 

1969
01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:51,500
was costume even more like, 
okay, all this comes from, he's 

1970
01:37:51,500 --> 01:37:53,700
entangling alliances. 
If I just don't get married, I'm

1971
01:37:53,708 --> 01:37:56,100
never going to be forced onto a 
side here. 

1972
01:37:56,100 --> 01:37:58,300
So may have been part of her 
calculation. 

1973
01:37:58,700 --> 01:38:01,400
Again, I must mention Darren 
taking care of the great 

1974
01:38:01,400 --> 01:38:05,300
bastards didn't to lessen their 
incentive to feel jilted to feel

1975
01:38:05,300 --> 01:38:08,000
like he's their best spots for 
he's their best bet. 

1976
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:09,700
So he was probably getting an 
income. 

1977
01:38:09,900 --> 01:38:12,100
Like an allowance, there's 
probably substantial. 

1978
01:38:12,500 --> 01:38:15,000
I mean to live. 
Like a royal does you got to 

1979
01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:19,100
have some money? 
So she may have been like yeah. 

1980
01:38:19,300 --> 01:38:21,400
Again other reason just to keep 
things the way they are. 

1981
01:38:21,400 --> 01:38:24,600
I don't need to if I change out,
who's paying me? 

1982
01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:26,400
It may not be as much for the 
mean, I pay me at all. 

1983
01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:27,900
Yeah. 
By the way, that might be 

1984
01:38:27,900 --> 01:38:32,000
another reason to think of gold 
is Borger because she wants 

1985
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:35,400
gems, whatever. 
She thinks of it, whatever she 

1986
01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:37,100
thinks have other people, find 
it valuable. 

1987
01:38:37,100 --> 01:38:42,000
So her allowance She would get 
more spendable, money from her 

1988
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:43,800
allowance. 
It's like, here's X money to buy

1989
01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:46,300
gold and all the other 
princesses go buy gold. 

1990
01:38:46,300 --> 01:38:48,200
She buy silver and has its extra
money left. 

1991
01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:50,700
Over to go buy books, or to go 
researcher. 

1992
01:38:50,700 --> 01:38:52,800
Whatever money on books. 
Yeah, you're right. 

1993
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:54,900
It's a good point as far as 
marriage. 

1994
01:38:54,900 --> 01:38:56,700
So I think we're coming up with 
these reasons. 

1995
01:38:56,700 --> 01:39:00,100
Why I like politics and not 
wanting to get involved, not 

1996
01:39:00,100 --> 01:39:01,900
wanting to be beholden to a 
husband, not wanting to be 

1997
01:39:01,900 --> 01:39:04,800
second fiddle to you. 
Like I'm subordinate to you now 

1998
01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:06,900
because that's how West Rossi 
marriages tend to work. 

1999
01:39:07,300 --> 01:39:09,500
She just didn't want to sign up 
for that, but you may have just 

2000
01:39:09,500 --> 01:39:12,000
also I had really high standard.
She's like now I'm just not you 

2001
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:13,900
were good enough for me like 
nope. 

2002
01:39:14,500 --> 01:39:17,700
Nope just does not want to ever 
be pregnant and yeah first and 

2003
01:39:17,700 --> 01:39:19,900
died in childbirth. 
Like so many other parents and 

2004
01:39:19,900 --> 01:39:22,300
is yeah yeah I think that by 
mean I think. 

2005
01:39:22,300 --> 01:39:23,900
Yeah. 
The giving of her power and 

2006
01:39:23,900 --> 01:39:26,600
freedom but yeah I think 
probably because a lot of these 

2007
01:39:26,600 --> 01:39:29,400
yeah all these things right like
there's a lot of reasons on the 

2008
01:39:29,400 --> 01:39:31,600
con list you should make a 
pro/con lists like we just named

2009
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:35,900
several major cons the only real
reason for pros like if she 

2010
01:39:35,900 --> 01:39:38,500
wanted kids or if she wanted 
love but she could have love and

2011
01:39:38,500 --> 01:39:39,600
not married. 
Yeah. 

2012
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:41,300
Yeah. 
Maybe just was kind of just like

2013
01:39:41,300 --> 01:39:42,700
we said, it talking about her 
childhood. 

2014
01:39:42,700 --> 01:39:45,600
She maybe not had a lot of love 
in her band that interested in 

2015
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:47,100
it. 
You know, this is the way he 

2016
01:39:47,100 --> 01:39:50,000
lacked role models, for loving 
relationships. 

2017
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:51,900
This may not have been something
she cared about. 

2018
01:39:51,900 --> 01:39:54,300
Yeah. 
Also, she could have some of 

2019
01:39:54,300 --> 01:39:59,300
these reasons could have she had
reason X when she's 19. 

2020
01:39:59,300 --> 01:40:02,800
And reason why when she's 24 and
reason, see why she's 27, why 

2021
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:05,300
are they could change over time?
There could have been a phase 

2022
01:40:05,300 --> 01:40:08,900
where she really did want to get
buried but bitter Stills like I 

2023
01:40:08,900 --> 01:40:11,500
can't right now. 
I have this other Duty or, you 

2024
01:40:11,500 --> 01:40:14,800
know like, you know, so moments 
when she may have wanted to kill

2025
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:19,600
the Stars, weren't the Stars 
weren't lining up for her and 

2026
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:22,300
yeah, maybe she just wasn't 
like, I don't want to marry one 

2027
01:40:22,300 --> 01:40:23,500
of my. 
Brother's neither of them are 

2028
01:40:23,508 --> 01:40:26,200
gonna end up his king or even 
prints, maybe she was holding 

2029
01:40:26,200 --> 01:40:30,900
out for someone of higher rank 
that would does not fit in very 

2030
01:40:30,900 --> 01:40:32,600
well with some of these other 
notion that she just didn't want

2031
01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:34,200
to get married at all but these 
are all possible. 

2032
01:40:34,200 --> 01:40:36,500
She's holding out for someone of
lowering haha. 

2033
01:40:36,700 --> 01:40:39,600
No and but I think about it from
her other. 

2034
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:44,000
The other angle as an unmarried 
but super high status woman, it 

2035
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:46,000
could make sense to stay 
unmarried either. 

2036
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:48,500
Wait for some amazing 
opportunity or just reap the 

2037
01:40:48,500 --> 01:40:52,300
benefits of being single and 
beautiful and Highborn. 

2038
01:40:52,600 --> 01:40:55,300
And just continuously use that 
like continuously recycled. 

2039
01:40:55,300 --> 01:40:57,500
It's been, it's been are going 
to keep dueling in her honor and

2040
01:40:57,500 --> 01:40:59,200
giving her favors just to sit by
her. 

2041
01:41:00,100 --> 01:41:03,200
I would she give that up like I 
mean you can there are some 

2042
01:41:03,200 --> 01:41:05,700
reasons why but you can see why 
she wouldn't he be like, yeah, 

2043
01:41:05,700 --> 01:41:08,100
I'm gonna just keep this running
as long as I can like why 

2044
01:41:08,200 --> 01:41:09,700
they're just giving me Jewels 
too. 

2045
01:41:09,900 --> 01:41:13,600
Sit by me if I'm married. 
There's only one guy. 

2046
01:41:14,500 --> 01:41:16,200
Is he gonna keep giving me Jules
to sit by me? 

2047
01:41:16,200 --> 01:41:18,500
If I married him probably, he's 
gonna put babies in me and they 

2048
01:41:18,500 --> 01:41:19,800
might kill me. 
Yeah, no. 

2049
01:41:20,100 --> 01:41:21,400
Yeah. 
I'm gonna, I'm gonna stay 

2050
01:41:21,400 --> 01:41:23,400
single. 
This is better for me. 

2051
01:41:23,400 --> 01:41:27,300
Yeah, like not everyone can do 
that but she can and so she did 

2052
01:41:28,600 --> 01:41:31,400
once again, I think of Angela. 
So you've had two different men 

2053
01:41:31,400 --> 01:41:33,700
dueling over you at two 
different points in life? 

2054
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:39,700
Oh yeah, I guess I have a lot 
more than that. 

2055
01:41:39,800 --> 01:41:42,700
Apparently and yeah for a lot 
lesser reasons. 

2056
01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:47,600
Yeah I guess I have I forgot 
about the, you know, you didn't 

2057
01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:53,400
John Mark and John David. 
Yeah, don't have a lot of 

2058
01:41:53,407 --> 01:41:57,200
choices. 
You know, it's not what you 

2059
01:41:57,200 --> 01:42:00,200
would say to her. 
I once again want to bring up 

2060
01:42:00,200 --> 01:42:03,800
the thought here that another 
potential motivation. 

2061
01:42:03,800 --> 01:42:06,500
Something it is like new since 
south of the Dragon for us to 

2062
01:42:06,500 --> 01:42:11,800
think of this angle but maybe 
she thought Or knew she wasn't 

2063
01:42:11,800 --> 01:42:14,700
supposed to marry more was 
supposed to marry some certain 

2064
01:42:14,700 --> 01:42:16,400
individual based on some 
prophecy. 

2065
01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:19,900
Maybe she was waiting for 
something to happen and it just 

2066
01:42:19,900 --> 01:42:22,100
never happened. 
It's hard to know. 

2067
01:42:22,100 --> 01:42:25,500
But but so many of these 
characters in this time, period 

2068
01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:28,900
might have been wrapped up and 
hand or had knowledge of certain

2069
01:42:28,900 --> 01:42:30,300
prophecies, right? 
Yeah. 

2070
01:42:30,300 --> 01:42:33,100
And and and that could have 
guided some of the decisions 

2071
01:42:33,100 --> 01:42:37,000
that were being made and 
including her getting married. 

2072
01:42:37,400 --> 01:42:42,200
I posited in our document I 
wonder if Darren while i+ 

2073
01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:44,000
several things about what his 
thoughts on this was, whether he

2074
01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:47,500
wanted her to get married or 
whether he was glad she didn't 

2075
01:42:47,500 --> 01:42:50,000
or whether he influenced her to 
not get married, stay that way. 

2076
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:51,900
Maybe like the that she was 
staying in Mary's like. 

2077
01:42:51,900 --> 01:42:54,600
Okay, that's a good thing. 
No new targaryens. 

2078
01:42:54,600 --> 01:42:55,900
None of this mess needs to 
happen. 

2079
01:42:55,900 --> 01:42:59,000
We could just keep it where it 
is and he might have just done 

2080
01:42:59,000 --> 01:43:00,600
incentivised her. 
There's like I see that she's 

2081
01:43:00,600 --> 01:43:04,100
not seem to want to get married.
I'm going to be okay, do things 

2082
01:43:04,100 --> 01:43:06,700
to that status quo. 
Like yes, let's encourage that. 

2083
01:43:06,800 --> 01:43:08,500
On the other hand you may have 
considered her as a bride for 

2084
01:43:08,500 --> 01:43:10,700
one of his son. 
You have four Sons Right? 

2085
01:43:10,900 --> 01:43:14,200
Makar would have been the 
closest in age to her and make 

2086
01:43:14,200 --> 01:43:16,600
ours, one who married the on a 
day, and he may have considered 

2087
01:43:16,600 --> 01:43:19,300
marrying him to share. 
Instead of the on a Dane that 

2088
01:43:19,300 --> 01:43:21,400
would've been interesting. 
Need a doubts that she says, I 

2089
01:43:21,407 --> 01:43:22,400
don't think Darren wanted to 
treat. 

2090
01:43:22,400 --> 01:43:25,200
The great bastards is equals to 
himself his descendants Hagen 

2091
01:43:25,200 --> 01:43:27,400
the for that seriously 
undermined Iran's position by 

2092
01:43:27,400 --> 01:43:29,900
his death bed. 
Blanket legitimisation placing 

2093
01:43:29,900 --> 01:43:32,000
Darren in the position 
politically uncomfortable 

2094
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:34,600
edition of suddenly having a 
number of extramarital siblings,

2095
01:43:34,600 --> 01:43:38,400
whose legitimacy now never be 
reversed, I don't think Darren 

2096
01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:39,600
went out of his way to be cruel 
to them. 

2097
01:43:39,800 --> 01:43:41,900
M and indeed, I think he tried 
to play nice with him but I 

2098
01:43:41,907 --> 01:43:44,600
think he did what he could to 
treat them as separate from his 

2099
01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:46,800
own legitimately born line. 
Royals less. 

2100
01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:48,800
Anyone start wondering whether 
any of these children, had more 

2101
01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:50,700
of a right to the throne than 
Darren himself. 

2102
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:53,600
That's another tightrope like 
well by start marrying them into

2103
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:57,900
my family that sort of accepts, 
their deathbed legitimisation 

2104
01:43:57,900 --> 01:44:03,500
and furthers that that belief 
and and makes in shrines them as

2105
01:44:03,700 --> 01:44:05,400
truer. 
Targaryens, I never took the 

2106
01:44:05,400 --> 01:44:07,500
name Targaryen, but if they were
to get married to targaryens, 

2107
01:44:07,500 --> 01:44:08,800
they might say, okay. 
Yes. 

2108
01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:13,600
I am a Targaryen And yeah, it's 
still best of might have been 

2109
01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:17,600
better though, because it least 
you like, and I say it but like,

2110
01:44:18,100 --> 01:44:19,400
clean it up a little bit? 
Yeah. 

2111
01:44:19,400 --> 01:44:22,100
Like, all right. 
There's like four. 

2112
01:44:22,100 --> 01:44:25,200
Great bastards and 30 other 
bastards. 

2113
01:44:25,400 --> 01:44:27,400
Well, how about these two 
bastards? 

2114
01:44:27,400 --> 01:44:29,600
Get married and now let's move 
forward. 

2115
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:32,700
Those are the clear Top Dog set 
precedent. 

2116
01:44:32,700 --> 01:44:35,300
Move on a specially. 
Like once one generation passes 

2117
01:44:35,300 --> 01:44:38,000
that you like, clarify things a 
little better and have a bunch 

2118
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:39,600
of lingering ones out there for 
me. 

2119
01:44:39,700 --> 01:44:41,800
Maybe intermarry all of them to 
each other. 

2120
01:44:41,800 --> 01:44:44,500
Just like, look, we're also part
of the same family, you know? 

2121
01:44:44,500 --> 01:44:48,200
And let's just get past this 
one, tricky generation, and it 

2122
01:44:48,200 --> 01:44:51,600
be more clear moving forward. 
That it's just the same one 

2123
01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:53,300
line. 
Yeah, good. 

2124
01:44:53,400 --> 01:44:56,600
Not, maybe that's hard for him 
to realize or coordinate or get 

2125
01:44:56,600 --> 01:44:59,800
everyone to agree to, but I 
wonder if that maybe would have 

2126
01:44:59,800 --> 01:45:02,100
been better, maybe he won't even
got a chance because they're 

2127
01:45:02,100 --> 01:45:04,300
going to rebuild before he could
be said together. 

2128
01:45:04,300 --> 01:45:06,400
I don't know. 
So, in terms of us wondering 

2129
01:45:06,400 --> 01:45:10,600
about shears Ambitions and 
wanting to marry, Someone had a 

2130
01:45:10,600 --> 01:45:13,600
Highborn or whatever. 
If we're believing share, had 

2131
01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:18,200
any kind of charm or sorceress 
abilities or actual abilities, 

2132
01:45:18,200 --> 01:45:21,400
do anything like that and was 
some seductress? 

2133
01:45:21,400 --> 01:45:23,900
Well, I don't think she had 
those Ambitions, then it's like,

2134
01:45:23,900 --> 01:45:24,800
she fails. 
She did. 

2135
01:45:24,800 --> 01:45:27,400
She never married her, right? 
You think, I guess she wanted 

2136
01:45:27,400 --> 01:45:29,200
one of those men, you kind of 
think she could have had them if

2137
01:45:29,208 --> 01:45:31,100
you write code of? 
Yeah, you're right. 

2138
01:45:31,100 --> 01:45:32,800
Like, the way it sounds like she
could have had any man, she 

2139
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:34,500
wanted basically. 
It kind of seems like if she was

2140
01:45:34,500 --> 01:45:37,400
like, yeah, I want to marry an 
heir to the throne like it seems

2141
01:45:37,400 --> 01:45:39,600
like maybe she could have an 
angled that like, every believe,

2142
01:45:39,700 --> 01:45:41,300
Even in these things said about 
her. 

2143
01:45:41,300 --> 01:45:42,200
But the point, I don't know 
that. 

2144
01:45:42,200 --> 01:45:45,000
We believe that maybe she 
thought she was supposed to 

2145
01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:50,000
marry some Dothraki horselord 
and learn that language trying 

2146
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:56,500
to get ready for horselord. 
He's all that and yes she does 

2147
01:45:56,500 --> 01:45:59,800
everything make that happen. 
I like maybe they and seeing 

2148
01:45:59,800 --> 01:46:03,000
Danny Mario yunkai with or 
what's a guy with the his 

2149
01:46:03,000 --> 01:46:04,700
daughter. 
Whatever I ghiscari. 

2150
01:46:04,700 --> 01:46:06,300
What's his language? 
Yeah. 

2151
01:46:06,400 --> 01:46:07,900
Meereenese marigny is yes, are 
ya? 

2152
01:46:10,300 --> 01:46:15,600
Yeah. 
So we theorized that maybe John 

2153
01:46:15,600 --> 01:46:20,100
Hightower and Serena. 
I conspired to have a daughter 

2154
01:46:20,200 --> 01:46:22,100
too. 
For Sorrento's daughter to maybe

2155
01:46:22,100 --> 01:46:26,700
Mary Damon Waters later Daemon 
blackfyre, maybe she era wanted 

2156
01:46:26,700 --> 01:46:29,000
that for herself. 
She saw Damon talking about 

2157
01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:32,000
marrying multiple wives and 
thought maybe I can be one of 

2158
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:33,700
them later and be married to a 
King. 

2159
01:46:33,700 --> 01:46:36,000
That way that would have come 
when she was much younger. 

2160
01:46:37,100 --> 01:46:38,500
And would have maybe been a 
childish fancy. 

2161
01:46:38,500 --> 01:46:40,100
Like this is because she would 
have dreamed of when she was 

2162
01:46:40,100 --> 01:46:42,500
like 8 like I'm gonna marry my 
brother Damon. 

2163
01:46:42,500 --> 01:46:46,400
You know like everyone has a 
crush on him so she may have had

2164
01:46:46,400 --> 01:46:51,100
that too and when she was older 
she was like actually never mind

2165
01:46:51,100 --> 01:46:53,900
but of course when she was 
older, Damon was dead. 

2166
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:56,100
I said there's that's wouldn't 
have even been possible. 

2167
01:46:56,700 --> 01:46:59,400
It's also possible Nina says 
that after the first block 

2168
01:46:59,400 --> 01:47:02,300
fire-bellied and are on the 
second, he just Carriage cheer 

2169
01:47:02,300 --> 01:47:05,400
ever marrying because he saw 
what happened? 

2170
01:47:05,400 --> 01:47:06,300
Marrying? 
Damon. 

2171
01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:09,800
Black fire de Rohan of Irish 
that enabled, the Rebellion. 

2172
01:47:09,800 --> 01:47:11,700
He thought he was maybe trying 
to shore things up and it 

2173
01:47:11,700 --> 01:47:15,700
actually led to them having all 
these children and multiple 

2174
01:47:15,700 --> 01:47:17,100
blackfyre Rebellion has followed
a. 

2175
01:47:17,100 --> 01:47:19,400
He only lived through one of 
them himself there on did. 

2176
01:47:19,400 --> 01:47:24,400
But still that maybe he didn't 
repeat that mistake and say okay

2177
01:47:24,400 --> 01:47:27,600
we're going to not let these 
other great bastards marry if it

2178
01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:31,000
all possible. 
Maybe she era took it on herself

2179
01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:32,100
and not Mary for that very 
reason. 

2180
01:47:32,100 --> 01:47:34,800
Like she saw what happened and 
she was able to Noodle that out 

2181
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:36,300
herself. 
Be like I don't want to be a 

2182
01:47:36,308 --> 01:47:39,600
part of all that, I don't need 
to throw myself into that and 

2183
01:47:39,600 --> 01:47:44,800
that fire with a why fire and 
just stay back and read her 

2184
01:47:44,800 --> 01:47:47,100
books, some more, right? 
It's I want to stick with my 

2185
01:47:47,100 --> 01:47:49,300
Scrolls. 
I'm not interested in rebellions

2186
01:47:49,300 --> 01:47:51,700
and that kind of crap. 
She's not injured in politics. 

2187
01:47:51,700 --> 01:47:53,500
Like you said, it doesn't seem 
like she was at interested. 

2188
01:47:53,500 --> 01:47:57,200
Like, she could have married 
high if she wanted to, and just 

2189
01:47:57,200 --> 01:48:01,600
doesn't seem like she did. 
You know, I thought I had 

2190
01:48:02,500 --> 01:48:06,100
earlier, you said something to 
the effect, you know, once once 

2191
01:48:06,100 --> 01:48:09,000
these once, aegon the Unworthy 
is legitimized all these 

2192
01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:11,900
bastards. 
Now you can't really go back in 

2193
01:48:11,900 --> 01:48:16,100
that they're all legitimate or 
have this claim going forward. 

2194
01:48:16,100 --> 01:48:21,500
But how true is that can someone
legitimize some someone else? 

2195
01:48:21,500 --> 01:48:26,200
It's like kind of a gray area 
cuz King is it seems like if you

2196
01:48:26,200 --> 01:48:28,900
can legitimize him you can only 
chittim eyes or maybe people 

2197
01:48:28,900 --> 01:48:31,600
wouldn't accept it. 
Or maybe there's not precedent 

2198
01:48:31,600 --> 01:48:34,900
but it's a possibility. 
But I'm just imagining if Dwight

2199
01:48:34,900 --> 01:48:38,600
was King legitimized, some 
legitimate legitimate, some 

2200
01:48:38,600 --> 01:48:41,800
legitimacy, yeah, yeah, it is 
interesting. 

2201
01:48:41,800 --> 01:48:44,100
Like, what, how does that how 
does that click? 

2202
01:48:44,100 --> 01:48:46,700
Like, how do they what do they 
think it's? 

2203
01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:52,300
It is a very gray area because 
they never took the name if they

2204
01:48:52,300 --> 01:48:53,900
had. 
What would have happened? 

2205
01:48:54,300 --> 01:48:56,500
What's their status of their 
children had? 

2206
01:48:56,500 --> 01:48:58,500
They not rebelled would have 
been an interesting question. 

2207
01:48:58,500 --> 01:49:02,600
Like what if Damon never bail 
How our like, what's the status 

2208
01:49:02,600 --> 01:49:04,100
of his children as far as where 
are they? 

2209
01:49:04,100 --> 01:49:07,200
Royal I their princes? 
But what? 

2210
01:49:07,500 --> 01:49:10,600
Yeah, it really gets into the 
heart of the way monarchy Works,

2211
01:49:10,600 --> 01:49:16,100
which is the King's word is law.
If people follow his orders, 

2212
01:49:16,100 --> 01:49:19,100
like, if enough people agree, 
then yeah, then that's what 

2213
01:49:19,100 --> 01:49:21,200
happens. 
But if people push back then 

2214
01:49:22,000 --> 01:49:24,300
they don't like are, he's like 
he wanted to burn them all and 

2215
01:49:24,300 --> 01:49:28,000
Jamie's like no, you can't. 
Yeah, and he didn't you can't go

2216
01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:29,200
too far. 
Yeah. 

2217
01:49:29,300 --> 01:49:32,200
Jamie had the Sori helps have 
precedent sets and you know 

2218
01:49:32,200 --> 01:49:36,000
there's all these things that 
you know traditions of factor 

2219
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:39,400
and you know the power you have 
at the moment and all these 

2220
01:49:39,400 --> 01:49:42,700
things but it seems like you 
know maybe his name was aegon 

2221
01:49:42,700 --> 01:49:46,500
the Unworthy and it seemed like 
he wasn't following traditions 

2222
01:49:46,700 --> 01:49:51,000
and there's all sorts of 
motivations to not obey his 

2223
01:49:51,000 --> 01:49:54,400
decrees but they did like what 
he said it. 

2224
01:49:54,400 --> 01:49:56,000
Well, they're all legitimate 
now. 

2225
01:49:56,400 --> 01:49:59,500
Well if they're on then says 
okay they're not legitimate now.

2226
01:49:59,900 --> 01:50:01,500
Carol. 
Well, he said it they're not 

2227
01:50:01,500 --> 01:50:04,200
legitimate now like it seems 
life is that he's you just say 

2228
01:50:04,200 --> 01:50:07,200
to happens. 
Can we at least run that out 

2229
01:50:07,200 --> 01:50:09,700
there and try on her? 
Yeah. 

2230
01:50:09,700 --> 01:50:11,600
So it seems like they tried to 
play the half measure like yes 

2231
01:50:11,600 --> 01:50:13,300
they're legitimate but they're 
still not. 

2232
01:50:13,300 --> 01:50:15,200
We're not going to fully treat 
them legitimate. 

2233
01:50:15,200 --> 01:50:17,800
Like we're going to give them 
the honor of legitimacy but not 

2234
01:50:17,800 --> 01:50:20,300
the political rights necessarily
and the name. 

2235
01:50:20,400 --> 01:50:23,400
So yeah, it feels like they sort
of did a half measure their, 

2236
01:50:24,200 --> 01:50:27,700
maybe they degrade their own 
power if they set the precedent,

2237
01:50:27,800 --> 01:50:31,300
the king says X, we say no. 
Remind our necks then that. 

2238
01:50:31,300 --> 01:50:33,900
Then I say why? 
Well, they might say, never mind

2239
01:50:33,900 --> 01:50:36,100
on why I gotta have to stick it 
with it. 

2240
01:50:36,100 --> 01:50:37,900
If I want people to stick with 
what I see exactly. 

2241
01:50:37,900 --> 01:50:40,300
If you undermine a prior King, 
it undermines herself. 

2242
01:50:40,300 --> 01:50:41,800
Yeah. 
Like kings were then you're not,

2243
01:50:41,800 --> 01:50:43,500
you're no. 
The Kings word is law if you do 

2244
01:50:43,500 --> 01:50:44,400
things like that. 
Yeah. 

2245
01:50:44,400 --> 01:50:47,400
So some things are easier to 
undermine than others or more 

2246
01:50:47,400 --> 01:50:53,200
acceptable to undermine than 
others or Let's talk about the 

2247
01:50:53,200 --> 01:50:57,400
duels that were part of her life
that it says men not just 

2248
01:50:57,400 --> 01:51:00,500
bloodraven and bittersteel 
fought over her. 

2249
01:51:01,100 --> 01:51:04,600
Here's a quote this is just 
crazy y'all though. 

2250
01:51:04,600 --> 01:51:08,400
She never wed, she had many 
offers and several lovers 

2251
01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:11,000
Through The Years. 
Jewels were fought over the 

2252
01:51:11,000 --> 01:51:14,200
right to sit beside her. 
Men killed themselves. 

2253
01:51:14,200 --> 01:51:18,000
After falling from her favor. 
Poets outdid each other writing 

2254
01:51:18,000 --> 01:51:21,800
songs about her beauty her. 
Most Ardent admirer was her 

2255
01:51:22,000 --> 01:51:26,500
Half-brother bloodraven who 
proposed marriage to her half a 

2256
01:51:26,500 --> 01:51:31,000
hundred times. 
Shara gave him her bed but never

2257
01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:34,000
her hand. 
It amused her more to make him 

2258
01:51:34,000 --> 01:51:37,900
jealous so that is not masterly 
editorializing that is also from

2259
01:51:37,900 --> 01:51:41,300
George so it's fact ascriptions 
of some of these characters. 

2260
01:51:41,300 --> 01:51:43,600
Yeah. 
We artists amok many years ago 

2261
01:51:43,800 --> 01:51:46,800
and that's that's important 
because it's like well if this 

2262
01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:49,400
was a major be like did he 
really did she really amused her

2263
01:51:49,400 --> 01:51:51,200
to make him jealous? 
Yes. 

2264
01:51:51,200 --> 01:51:54,800
Because George said, I'd say, 
this is this is this quote is 

2265
01:51:54,800 --> 01:51:57,900
probably the most actual 
information we have about share 

2266
01:51:57,900 --> 01:52:02,000
has personality of anything, 
like it, almost that last line. 

2267
01:52:02,100 --> 01:52:04,400
Yeah, because we would be 
suspicious of just meshed 

2268
01:52:04,400 --> 01:52:07,900
release saying that, like, they 
don't know better and they just 

2269
01:52:07,900 --> 01:52:10,300
interpret it that way. 
But nope, that's what it was 

2270
01:52:11,300 --> 01:52:14,300
play with him, a little. 
Yeah, and even this, you have to

2271
01:52:14,300 --> 01:52:19,000
wonder did did it amuse her when
she was 16 or when she was 22? 

2272
01:52:19,000 --> 01:52:20,400
You know, you're right there 
though. 

2273
01:52:20,400 --> 01:52:23,900
A very good point and we don't 
Know how old she got to be. 

2274
01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:28,000
Some people think she's still 
alive, which not the most 

2275
01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:32,400
likely, but hey, bloodraven 
stole the craziest thing ever. 

2276
01:52:32,400 --> 01:52:35,600
Yeah. 
So yeah, what is her for her 

2277
01:52:35,600 --> 01:52:37,800
favorite music? 
It's a favor for like riding in 

2278
01:52:37,800 --> 01:52:42,700
a tournament or just like I say 
your name kindly, I acknowledge 

2279
01:52:42,700 --> 01:52:45,300
you when you're in the room, 
what does that even mean? 

2280
01:52:45,800 --> 01:52:47,400
There's it falling from her 
favor. 

2281
01:52:47,400 --> 01:52:50,500
I don't think that's the same as
giving someone your favor an 

2282
01:52:50,500 --> 01:52:54,400
attorney, I think That is like 
no, you're no longer sit. 

2283
01:52:54,400 --> 01:52:56,000
Exactly. 
Next to me is my right. 

2284
01:52:56,000 --> 01:52:58,200
Like you're no longer welcome in
my bedroom. 

2285
01:52:58,200 --> 01:52:59,600
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

2286
01:53:00,200 --> 01:53:02,600
And they killed him. 
Some of his men multiple men. 

2287
01:53:02,600 --> 01:53:04,700
Plural killed themselves over 
this laws. 

2288
01:53:04,700 --> 01:53:06,500
Like whoa. 
No wonder people think there's 

2289
01:53:06,500 --> 01:53:09,200
magic involved. 
Especially men that never liked 

2290
01:53:09,200 --> 01:53:10,900
saw her in person. 
If you saw her in person, we 

2291
01:53:10,907 --> 01:53:13,800
were like, oh, I get it. 
Damn. 

2292
01:53:13,800 --> 01:53:17,100
She's beautiful. 
But, but like, writing about it,

2293
01:53:17,100 --> 01:53:19,700
after the fact, there's no 
pictures you're like, man, is 

2294
01:53:19,700 --> 01:53:21,800
it? 
It almost makes sense to us. 

2295
01:53:21,900 --> 01:53:25,200
Scribe sorcery in there 
somewhere because people are 

2296
01:53:25,200 --> 01:53:26,500
killing themselves. 
All right? 

2297
01:53:26,500 --> 01:53:28,900
Yeah, words. 
I'd like to use here to describe

2298
01:53:28,900 --> 01:53:31,600
this, but you can fill in the 
blanks yourself and be like, 

2299
01:53:31,600 --> 01:53:34,300
blank, so good. 
It makes men kill themselves. 

2300
01:53:36,200 --> 01:53:38,600
Yes. 
And it's not mismatched eyes. 

2301
01:53:39,000 --> 01:53:41,500
Yeah, so this is pretty extreme,
right? 

2302
01:53:41,500 --> 01:53:44,800
It's very much an inversion of 
the chivalric Romantic dual 

2303
01:53:44,800 --> 01:53:48,300
women but you know men fighting 
for women's honor and the best 

2304
01:53:48,300 --> 01:53:51,700
man wins or the most honorable 
whinge like no none of them win.

2305
01:53:52,800 --> 01:53:55,700
None of them get this. 
Some of them maybe get to hook 

2306
01:53:55,700 --> 01:53:57,500
up, but none of them get the 
marriage. 

2307
01:53:57,900 --> 01:54:00,600
They all get to give gifts. 
And yes, it's so different. 

2308
01:54:00,600 --> 01:54:02,700
So she sees this as 
entertainment. 

2309
01:54:02,900 --> 01:54:05,700
Maybe she's a little bit, has a 
little bit of a cruel streak to 

2310
01:54:05,700 --> 01:54:07,900
her. 
She enjoys the men fighting over

2311
01:54:07,900 --> 01:54:10,800
her and the attention. 
It shades of Sarah Targaryen 

2312
01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:14,000
even, the name is similar, Sarah
and Shira member sarahx 

2313
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:15,300
Targaryen was one of Joe 
Harrison. 

2314
01:54:15,300 --> 01:54:18,700
Alice Sands daughter's the one 
who had multiple lovers which 

2315
01:54:18,700 --> 01:54:21,000
that was a real Scandal. 
When you're an actual true born 

2316
01:54:21,000 --> 01:54:24,600
princess, Who they wanted to 
marry to some Lord to shore up 

2317
01:54:24,600 --> 01:54:27,000
their alliances. 
She never got married member, 

2318
01:54:27,000 --> 01:54:28,500
she ran away. 
Never got married. 

2319
01:54:28,500 --> 01:54:31,100
She escaped. 
She was sent to be with the 

2320
01:54:31,108 --> 01:54:33,600
silent sisters, I think, and 
escaped, and got overseas. 

2321
01:54:33,800 --> 01:54:35,800
And she did all this by charm, 
like most of her Escape. 

2322
01:54:35,800 --> 01:54:38,500
She like, talk dude into like, 
letting her on the ship and 

2323
01:54:38,600 --> 01:54:41,700
accused her beauty to break down
barriers. 

2324
01:54:41,700 --> 01:54:44,600
That a lot of people would have 
gotten caught and this and been 

2325
01:54:44,600 --> 01:54:48,900
sent back to where they'd been, 
but she escaped, and then went 

2326
01:54:48,900 --> 01:54:51,700
overseas and her children 
eventually made. 

2327
01:54:51,800 --> 01:54:54,600
Add their play at the great 
Council and they didn't get very

2328
01:54:54,600 --> 01:54:59,100
far, but you see why Darren 
didn't want this person having 

2329
01:54:59,100 --> 01:55:01,400
children necessarily because 
they could come back and 

2330
01:55:01,900 --> 01:55:05,400
threatened the dynasty later. 
But yeah, lots of similar Sarah 

2331
01:55:05,400 --> 01:55:09,600
was kind of out of control her 
father killed one of her Lover's

2332
01:55:09,600 --> 01:55:12,100
and it do laughter. 
He Dishonored her, you know, 

2333
01:55:12,100 --> 01:55:13,800
supposedly that was Braxton 
bees. 

2334
01:55:13,800 --> 01:55:15,100
Barry. 
I think if I remember correctly.

2335
01:55:15,500 --> 01:55:17,100
Yeah. 
So this is a very much a 

2336
01:55:17,108 --> 01:55:21,700
reversal of the like noble 
honorable duel for the woman's 

2337
01:55:21,900 --> 01:55:23,600
Over. 
That got the kind of things 

2338
01:55:23,600 --> 01:55:26,300
Sansa grew up, fantasizing about
and reading these stories about 

2339
01:55:26,800 --> 01:55:29,000
Sarah. 
Ashera is totally flip that 

2340
01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:31,700
script and taking control of it 
for her own Amusement rather 

2341
01:55:31,700 --> 01:55:35,800
than from some like ideal that 
she's trying to live up. 

2342
01:55:35,800 --> 01:55:40,400
If she's like nah, this is just 
fun, Campbell wonder if there's 

2343
01:55:40,400 --> 01:55:44,500
another Potential there. 
That, for example, maybe 

2344
01:55:44,500 --> 01:55:48,500
bloodraven is worried about the 
men that share has had 

2345
01:55:48,500 --> 01:55:49,900
relationships with. 
Yeah. 

2346
01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:52,500
What they might know. 
They might be privy to certain 

2347
01:55:52,500 --> 01:55:55,000
information and he has them 
killed and makes it look like a 

2348
01:55:55,008 --> 01:55:57,700
suicide. 
Wow, dark. 

2349
01:55:57,700 --> 01:56:00,800
Whether it's out of jealousy, or
protection of, its secrets of 

2350
01:56:00,800 --> 01:56:02,300
the realm or something like 
that. 

2351
01:56:02,400 --> 01:56:05,200
Yeah, I liked it. 
Thats dark, but I can buy it 

2352
01:56:05,200 --> 01:56:07,700
because we're getting into one 
of them were about to get into 

2353
01:56:07,700 --> 01:56:08,600
one of the more interesting 
section. 

2354
01:56:08,600 --> 01:56:11,600
We haven't talked about magic 
yet in detail. 

2355
01:56:11,800 --> 01:56:14,600
We're about to and Magic was at 
use. 

2356
01:56:15,300 --> 01:56:18,100
That's one of the rumors that 
she and bloodraven used magic to

2357
01:56:18,100 --> 01:56:21,100
ferret Out secret supposedly as 
Master Whispers. 

2358
01:56:21,100 --> 01:56:22,700
Hey, let's get to that in a 
minute. 

2359
01:56:22,700 --> 01:56:25,500
Now, as far as the fact that she
had a lot of lovers, never had 

2360
01:56:25,500 --> 01:56:28,500
kids, probably took care of that
herself. 

2361
01:56:28,600 --> 01:56:31,100
Like me was Aria said on the TV 
show I made, I took care to make

2362
01:56:31,100 --> 01:56:32,100
sure I would never have 
children. 

2363
01:56:32,300 --> 01:56:34,200
She may not have made it 
permanent but she may have. 

2364
01:56:34,200 --> 01:56:38,600
You may have mean she's 
well-read, she knows tansy T and

2365
01:56:38,600 --> 01:56:41,300
the recipes for not having 
children. 

2366
01:56:41,400 --> 01:56:43,200
Yeah. 
I wonder if any of her suitors 

2367
01:56:43,200 --> 01:56:46,900
were smart enough to like bring 
her books, like that's what she 

2368
01:56:46,900 --> 01:56:49,000
wanted. 
Like, okay, this guy's you 

2369
01:56:49,000 --> 01:56:51,600
brought me gold. 
You dumbass like, I don't know 

2370
01:56:51,600 --> 01:56:52,600
anything about me. 
You know. 

2371
01:56:52,600 --> 01:56:54,900
I don't like gold. 
You see any gold on me now? 

2372
01:56:54,900 --> 01:56:56,800
What? 
Hello? 

2373
01:56:56,800 --> 01:56:59,200
Pay attention golden company, 
everybody. 

2374
01:56:59,200 --> 01:57:02,000
I thought you needed to yeah. 
Like if they brought her books 

2375
01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:04,600
that would be like okay this guy
at least he's not a dumb ass. 

2376
01:57:04,600 --> 01:57:06,900
Like the others he at least 
knows what I like that's 

2377
01:57:07,500 --> 01:57:10,400
courtship 101. 
Give per the person you're 

2378
01:57:10,400 --> 01:57:13,800
trying to woo things. 
They actually like, you know 

2379
01:57:13,800 --> 01:57:16,600
find a few things out about them
and be like okay you like this. 

2380
01:57:16,800 --> 01:57:19,500
Let me get you a good version. 
Thank you, a fancy rare book. 

2381
01:57:19,600 --> 01:57:23,800
I found you signs and portents 
like oh, I'm interested. 

2382
01:57:23,800 --> 01:57:28,700
Now you know, bring me bring me 
the Jade compendium and you know

2383
01:57:28,700 --> 01:57:31,700
I'll fall into your arms, you 
know kind of thing. 

2384
01:57:32,700 --> 01:57:36,100
So that Nina says this is like a
reverse an inversion the reverse

2385
01:57:36,700 --> 01:57:40,100
of Brianna and the sick games 
they played. 

2386
01:57:40,500 --> 01:57:42,900
Make her think they They were 
actually interested. 

2387
01:57:42,900 --> 01:57:49,000
This is like they the reverse of
that, we're brand was to them so

2388
01:57:49,000 --> 01:57:51,000
unattractive, that this is, 
okay. 

2389
01:57:51,000 --> 01:57:53,300
It's okay to make fun of her 
because she's unattractive or 

2390
01:57:53,300 --> 01:57:55,300
she has the opposite end of the 
spectrum. 

2391
01:57:55,600 --> 01:57:58,500
Based on West Rossi, beauty 
standards that are pretty 

2392
01:57:58,500 --> 01:58:00,700
similar to real world ones, at 
least Western ones. 

2393
01:58:01,300 --> 01:58:07,100
And yeah, so that What she says,
here, Nina rights brand was more

2394
01:58:07,100 --> 01:58:09,400
confused than impressed, by the 
traditional displays of West 

2395
01:58:09,400 --> 01:58:11,300
Rossi romance. 
But she noted, that Hiles 

2396
01:58:11,300 --> 01:58:14,200
training with her meant more 
than all the rest. 

2397
01:58:14,200 --> 01:58:17,700
Like when someone actually 
trained with her like a treated,

2398
01:58:17,700 --> 01:58:21,100
her like a knight in the 
process. 

2399
01:58:21,100 --> 01:58:24,600
I can work ship or the oh, even 
better or like an equal and 

2400
01:58:24,700 --> 01:58:27,900
engaged with her in what she's 
interested in and treated her 

2401
01:58:27,900 --> 01:58:30,100
like an equal, that meant a lot 
to her. 

2402
01:58:30,100 --> 01:58:32,800
Like, even though she doesn't 
like her Heil hunt, but the fact

2403
01:58:32,800 --> 01:58:35,500
that he was willing to train 
with her, Hey, this guy if he 

2404
01:58:35,500 --> 01:58:39,000
was really trying, this is the 
right way to do it. 

2405
01:58:39,000 --> 01:58:43,600
He was more cunning in his evil 
prank because he actually picked

2406
01:58:43,600 --> 01:58:45,600
something that she would be 
interested in something that 

2407
01:58:45,600 --> 01:58:49,900
showed respect, even though it 
was behind that was was not 

2408
01:58:49,900 --> 01:58:52,700
respect at all and you think the
same thing here with Sierra but 

2409
01:58:52,700 --> 01:58:55,000
in Reverse so that's very good 
catch by need in there. 

2410
01:58:55,600 --> 01:58:58,100
So this rumor here, let's talk. 
Let's get into the magic stuff. 

2411
01:58:58,500 --> 01:59:01,900
This rumor exists about Danny. 
So think about she era when 

2412
01:59:01,900 --> 01:59:05,000
you're hearing this, this quote 
I have heard it said that the 

2413
01:59:05,008 --> 01:59:08,100
Silver Queen feeds them with the
Flesh of infant's, while she 

2414
01:59:08,100 --> 01:59:10,900
herself bathes in the blood of a
virgin girls and takes a 

2415
01:59:10,900 --> 01:59:14,100
different lover every night. 
Now, that's what garos. 

2416
01:59:14,100 --> 01:59:18,300
That's my kind of woman the 
Widow of the Waterfront saying 

2417
01:59:18,300 --> 01:59:23,000
that with that. 
And, of course, the winner of 

2418
01:59:23,000 --> 01:59:24,500
the Waterfront, doesn't believe 
these rumors. 

2419
01:59:24,500 --> 01:59:26,700
She's just repeating this. 
This is what people say about 

2420
01:59:26,700 --> 01:59:31,100
Danny and well, what's so 
interesting about this is the 

2421
01:59:31,100 --> 01:59:32,600
way these rumors are applied, 
okay? 

2422
01:59:32,600 --> 01:59:34,500
So the bathing in the blood A 
virgin girls. 

2423
01:59:34,500 --> 01:59:38,700
Now let's talk about that one 
first because it's, it's a 

2424
01:59:38,700 --> 01:59:41,700
little peculiar. 
We're not rumors said about, say

2425
01:59:41,700 --> 01:59:46,700
Danelle Austin, it's a reference
to her red hair and parts and in

2426
01:59:46,700 --> 01:59:49,200
a few other cases as well. 
But it can't be when in the case

2427
01:59:49,200 --> 01:59:51,400
of Danny or she are because they
don't have red hair. 

2428
01:59:51,400 --> 01:59:53,300
They have silver hair. 
So that's it's not about. 

2429
01:59:53,300 --> 01:59:57,000
It can't be the hair dye thing 
that we sometimes think might be

2430
01:59:57,200 --> 01:59:59,500
what the servants are seeing. 
Like, oh my God, that's blood. 

2431
01:59:59,500 --> 02:00:00,700
It's know what's this red hair 
dye? 

2432
02:00:00,900 --> 02:00:03,500
Well, these two and some other 
kind of fluid. 

2433
02:00:06,700 --> 02:00:10,000
Everyone, the Flesh of infant's.
That's what she means. 

2434
02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:14,600
Yeah, no, but there's no, yeah, 
yeah, we know. 

2435
02:00:14,900 --> 02:00:16,800
But there are citizens that 
doesn't apply, or they can't 

2436
02:00:16,800 --> 02:00:20,800
have stumbled on Danny or Shira 
dying their hair red because 

2437
02:00:20,800 --> 02:00:22,800
they don't have red hair, that 
just couldn't be it. 

2438
02:00:23,300 --> 02:00:25,300
I guess Rohan Weber was another 
one that people say that about, 

2439
02:00:25,300 --> 02:00:28,200
I can't remember, but there's 
some other it comes up with some

2440
02:00:28,200 --> 02:00:29,400
of the redhead. 
So it's kind of an easy 

2441
02:00:29,400 --> 02:00:31,700
explanation, but it doesn't work
here as an expert. 

2442
02:00:31,700 --> 02:00:33,200
It's just something that people 
make up. 

2443
02:00:33,200 --> 02:00:38,400
And Yeah, it's babies. 
You know, just throw that out 

2444
02:00:38,400 --> 02:00:40,300
there, just the worst in the 
worst. 

2445
02:00:40,300 --> 02:00:43,600
Slander you can imagine, you 
know, Ares. 

2446
02:00:43,600 --> 02:00:47,100
The first is sort of our 
transition into a more magical 

2447
02:00:47,100 --> 02:00:48,500
era. 
We know that they're on the 

2448
02:00:48,500 --> 02:00:51,100
second had a good rain, was his 
nickname. 

2449
02:00:51,100 --> 02:00:52,900
And after all, but he wasn't big
on Magic. 

2450
02:00:53,000 --> 02:00:54,600
He died during the Great spring 
sickness. 

2451
02:00:54,700 --> 02:00:57,700
We know she survived it. 
We don't know how if she for all

2452
02:00:57,700 --> 02:01:00,400
we know she died. 
Not long after it but for all we

2453
02:01:00,400 --> 02:01:02,500
also know she loved the long 
time after it. 

2454
02:01:02,700 --> 02:01:05,700
All we know is he definitely 
lived survive the great spring 

2455
02:01:05,700 --> 02:01:12,900
sickness because she's mentioned
as having used magic to help 

2456
02:01:13,000 --> 02:01:16,400
even as master of hand and she's
also mentioned in the present 

2457
02:01:16,400 --> 02:01:18,500
tense by egg. 
In a quote, we're going to get 

2458
02:01:18,500 --> 02:01:21,600
to later and that quote in the 
present tense comes after the 

2459
02:01:21,600 --> 02:01:23,600
great spring sickness. 
So there you go. 

2460
02:01:24,400 --> 02:01:27,200
But it did kill off many of her 
cousins. 

2461
02:01:27,700 --> 02:01:30,800
And of course, her half-brother 
bear on the king so that could 

2462
02:01:30,800 --> 02:01:34,700
have affected her personally, 
even though it didn't kill her. 

2463
02:01:35,500 --> 02:01:37,800
And as a person interested in 
sorcery, this is where we get 

2464
02:01:37,800 --> 02:01:40,800
back to the part that Ares. 
The first is a really compelling

2465
02:01:40,800 --> 02:01:45,000
King for her to live under when 
he's the It rekindled the 

2466
02:01:45,000 --> 02:01:49,200
dragons will come back prophecy.
This is the same era where Amon 

2467
02:01:49,200 --> 02:01:52,300
maester aemon, refers to his 
brothers, having dreams of 

2468
02:01:52,300 --> 02:01:54,300
dragons, that killed them, all 
right? 

2469
02:01:55,000 --> 02:01:59,400
She's at like, a young adult, 
right in this are smack dab in 

2470
02:01:59,400 --> 02:02:02,300
the middle of all this. 
This is almost unfathomable that

2471
02:02:02,300 --> 02:02:07,100
she's not involved and it seems 
likely that she's very involved 

2472
02:02:07,400 --> 02:02:10,900
just behind the scenes, a bit 
again, the red keeps books, read

2473
02:02:10,900 --> 02:02:15,500
keeps access big deal. 
Huge Factor here. 

2474
02:02:16,600 --> 02:02:18,900
By the way, Sheridan still 
didn't marry bloodraven after 

2475
02:02:18,900 --> 02:02:20,400
here. 
Ascended to handle King, she 

2476
02:02:20,400 --> 02:02:22,400
didn't? 
She refused him when before. 

2477
02:02:22,800 --> 02:02:26,100
He kept asking, she kept 
refusing so it wasn't his rank 

2478
02:02:26,100 --> 02:02:28,100
or at least. 
It wasn't enough rank for that 

2479
02:02:28,100 --> 02:02:31,400
to matter. 
Here's that quote between egg 

2480
02:02:31,400 --> 02:02:34,200
and dunk set us up with further 
discussion of Shara. 

2481
02:02:34,200 --> 02:02:38,100
See sorceress you've known 
queens and princesses that they 

2482
02:02:38,100 --> 02:02:40,900
danced with demons and practice 
the Black Arts lady. 

2483
02:02:40,900 --> 02:02:43,800
She era does Lord, Blood Ravens 
paramour. 

2484
02:02:43,900 --> 02:02:48,200
She bathed in blood to keep her 
beauty And once my sister Rhea 

2485
02:02:48,200 --> 02:02:51,800
put a love potion in my dream. 
So I've marry her instead of my 

2486
02:02:51,800 --> 02:02:53,400
sister Jaya. 
Yeah. 

2487
02:02:53,400 --> 02:02:54,600
Like wait. 
What egg? 

2488
02:02:54,600 --> 02:02:57,900
What how much does rumor did? 
He witness this? 

2489
02:02:57,900 --> 02:03:00,100
He sees here? 
Like I don't think he's watching

2490
02:03:00,100 --> 02:03:05,400
sheer a bathe but I mean this 
Kate didn't come from nowhere. 

2491
02:03:05,400 --> 02:03:08,900
I mean he lived at court, 
presumably the same time as her.

2492
02:03:08,900 --> 02:03:12,500
So it's kind of like this isn't 
just like a distant rumor about 

2493
02:03:12,600 --> 02:03:16,600
people from afar the rumor mill,
the game of telephone A phone 

2494
02:03:16,600 --> 02:03:19,600
getting expansive in the rumor 
growing with each retelling. 

2495
02:03:19,600 --> 02:03:21,700
This is he's pretty close to the
source here. 

2496
02:03:22,300 --> 02:03:23,800
This business with a love 
potion. 

2497
02:03:24,800 --> 02:03:28,000
I think, if you're young Ray 
living at court and you want a 

2498
02:03:28,008 --> 02:03:31,200
love potion, you go to Shira 
Seastar. 

2499
02:03:31,200 --> 02:03:33,600
You're like this is the person 
that would know about such 

2500
02:03:33,600 --> 02:03:35,800
things. 
Like she's the, you're a young 

2501
02:03:35,800 --> 02:03:37,700
girl. 
You see the extremely beautiful 

2502
02:03:37,700 --> 02:03:40,600
woman, who's like all put 
together and courtly and 

2503
02:03:40,900 --> 02:03:44,300
assertive, seemingly and 
Powerful sought after sought 

2504
02:03:44,300 --> 02:03:47,500
after you would look dirty would
be maybe a something of a role 

2505
02:03:47,500 --> 02:03:50,100
model and you'd be like 
especially if you heard she's 

2506
02:03:50,100 --> 02:03:52,700
into magically taking you make. 
So share a my I'd like to think 

2507
02:03:52,700 --> 02:03:55,100
there's a lot of ways. 
Just go share. 

2508
02:03:55,100 --> 02:03:57,900
Could have just entertained her 
just played along like yep 

2509
02:03:57,900 --> 02:04:00,500
here's your love posher. 
Here you go, here's a little. 

2510
02:04:00,500 --> 02:04:03,500
That's what I tend to lean 
towards told her that doesn't 

2511
02:04:03,500 --> 02:04:06,800
eliminate the potential for 
their or her really being 

2512
02:04:06,800 --> 02:04:08,800
magical but I still tend to 
think that. 

2513
02:04:08,800 --> 02:04:11,600
Yeah, she just gave her some 
root beer. 

2514
02:04:11,600 --> 02:04:16,000
Yeah exactly. 
I totally think so too. 

2515
02:04:16,000 --> 02:04:18,800
I by the way that's the Sworn 
Sword that quote comes from, but

2516
02:04:18,800 --> 02:04:20,000
also yeah. 
But she's accused of the 

2517
02:04:20,000 --> 02:04:22,900
standard Beauty magic, like the 
blood bathing and Beauty, 

2518
02:04:23,000 --> 02:04:26,500
creating a blood for beauty. 
Which maybe she was using 

2519
02:04:26,500 --> 02:04:29,200
clamors you know I mean she 
wasn't using them to like you're

2520
02:04:29,300 --> 02:04:31,900
eight years old or something 
like that or even ten or twelve 

2521
02:04:31,900 --> 02:04:34,000
probably but maybe later in life
she was using glamour's. 

2522
02:04:34,000 --> 02:04:36,600
I mean, if she's using magic 
bloodraven, definitely use 

2523
02:04:36,600 --> 02:04:39,600
glamour's and she's super 
associated with him so it 

2524
02:04:39,600 --> 02:04:42,300
really, really makes sense. 
Maybe she used it to go out and 

2525
02:04:42,300 --> 02:04:44,000
disguise like he did. 
She could have done some of the 

2526
02:04:44,000 --> 02:04:46,400
same things. 
She was said to possess a quote 

2527
02:04:46,400 --> 02:04:49,200
large, Arcane Library. 
She surrounded herself with 

2528
02:04:49,200 --> 02:04:53,900
Scrolls so the rumors of magic 
are not unfounded like she's 

2529
02:04:53,900 --> 02:04:55,300
definitely in. 
Evolved in it. 

2530
02:04:55,300 --> 02:04:57,500
Like how many spells use 
actually casting? 

2531
02:04:57,500 --> 02:05:00,300
Who knows? 
But she was interested in the 

2532
02:05:00,300 --> 02:05:02,900
topic and her mother was too 
though. 

2533
02:05:02,900 --> 02:05:04,800
They had no direct connection 
because her mother died. 

2534
02:05:04,800 --> 02:05:06,800
So young. 
But she inherited whatever her 

2535
02:05:06,800 --> 02:05:10,700
mother had like whatever books 
her mom left behind a might have

2536
02:05:10,700 --> 02:05:12,900
kicked off her interest. 
She's like well this is my only 

2537
02:05:12,900 --> 02:05:16,100
connection to my mother. 
I want to bond with my dead 

2538
02:05:16,100 --> 02:05:19,100
mother Through The Possession, 
she left behind and try to take 

2539
02:05:19,100 --> 02:05:21,800
up some of her interests, 
because that's the only 

2540
02:05:21,800 --> 02:05:23,900
connection she has to her. 
It's a little sad, right? 

2541
02:05:24,200 --> 02:05:25,800
But It makes sense. 
That's that's pretty human thing

2542
02:05:25,800 --> 02:05:27,400
to do. 
Like you don't you have no 

2543
02:05:27,400 --> 02:05:29,000
connection to your family but 
you've, they leave you some 

2544
02:05:29,000 --> 02:05:30,900
stuff. 
So you're kind of like, well 

2545
02:05:30,900 --> 02:05:34,100
this is all I have want to try 
to bond with this and explore it

2546
02:05:34,100 --> 02:05:35,500
and see where it takes me. 
Well, it just happened. 

2547
02:05:35,500 --> 02:05:38,600
Some of that is Scrolls, Arcane 
Scrolls and magic, and stuff 

2548
02:05:38,600 --> 02:05:42,200
like that. 
So also, you know, maybe she 

2549
02:05:42,200 --> 02:05:44,900
really did bathe in blood one 
time just to try it. 

2550
02:05:44,900 --> 02:05:47,300
Yeah. 
Doesn't it mean it worked but it

2551
02:05:47,300 --> 02:05:49,800
does mean everyone will talk 
about it for the rest of the 

2552
02:05:49,800 --> 02:05:53,900
history, right Point. 
Yeah, and yeah and maybe some of

2553
02:05:53,907 --> 02:05:56,100
these things. 
Came from like ergy reconnected 

2554
02:05:56,100 --> 02:06:00,200
with her lysine family and they 
sent her things and talk to her.

2555
02:06:00,200 --> 02:06:01,500
Who knows? 
Yeah. 

2556
02:06:02,100 --> 02:06:04,800
What about divination. 
Like, what about seeing secrets 

2557
02:06:04,800 --> 02:06:08,500
and seeing the future? 
Or looking into the flame there?

2558
02:06:08,500 --> 02:06:11,400
Something like that. 
Here's another quote that gets 

2559
02:06:11,400 --> 02:06:14,900
us started on this subtopic. 
Bloodraven, proved to be a 

2560
02:06:14,900 --> 02:06:19,100
capable head but also a master 
of Whisperers who rivaled lady 

2561
02:06:19,100 --> 02:06:22,900
misery and there were those who 
thought he and his half-sister 

2562
02:06:22,900 --> 02:06:26,800
and Paramore share. 
A sea star, you sorcery to 

2563
02:06:26,800 --> 02:06:30,200
ferret Out. 
Secret, it became common to 

2564
02:06:30,200 --> 02:06:34,600
refer to his thousand eyes and 
one and Men. 

2565
02:06:34,600 --> 02:06:39,100
Both high and low began to 
distrust their neighbor for fear

2566
02:06:39,100 --> 02:06:42,300
of there, being a spy and Blood 
Ravens employ. 

2567
02:06:42,900 --> 02:06:45,100
I like the reference to his eye 
because she fits in out so 

2568
02:06:45,100 --> 02:06:48,300
nicely, like his one eye, and 
His Thousand eyes has two of 

2569
02:06:48,300 --> 02:06:51,500
those thousand eyes are bright, 
green one, and a dark blue one. 

2570
02:06:52,000 --> 02:06:53,500
Yeah! 
Perceptive. 

2571
02:06:53,500 --> 02:06:55,700
Pair of eyes. 
He's highly intelligent and 

2572
02:06:55,700 --> 02:06:59,600
capable. 
Mmm, gotta love it now and maybe

2573
02:06:59,600 --> 02:07:03,100
traveling around and diplomatic 
missions picking up and dropping

2574
02:07:03,100 --> 02:07:05,100
off. 
Informational around Pro true, 

2575
02:07:05,100 --> 02:07:09,000
Nina points out that losing and 
I made her made them even more 

2576
02:07:09,000 --> 02:07:11,400
similar because they both have 
mismatched eyes now because his 

2577
02:07:11,400 --> 02:07:13,000
matching because there's one in 
there. 

2578
02:07:13,000 --> 02:07:15,400
Isn't. 
But while her different colors 

2579
02:07:15,400 --> 02:07:19,000
but still using magic, help the 
master Whispers like that just 

2580
02:07:19,200 --> 02:07:20,700
it's really hard. 
It's she was kind of a 

2581
02:07:20,708 --> 02:07:23,400
straightforward thing to do. 
We talked about that in a number

2582
02:07:23,400 --> 02:07:26,400
of cases, like Iris doesn't seem
to be using magic but other 

2583
02:07:26,400 --> 02:07:28,900
Master Whispers, he's even 
mentioned, lady misery here. 

2584
02:07:28,900 --> 02:07:34,400
Miss Aria is talked about Even 
if you don't use magic or you 

2585
02:07:34,400 --> 02:07:37,000
use magic, it could be case like
Melisandre a year on where you 

2586
02:07:37,000 --> 02:07:39,600
use some magic but you also 
spread rumors about yourself 

2587
02:07:39,600 --> 02:07:41,600
using more magic than you 
actually do. 

2588
02:07:41,600 --> 02:07:44,800
So you're let's say you're a 
level 3 magician but you make it

2589
02:07:44,800 --> 02:07:47,300
seem like you're a level 13 
magician, you know. 

2590
02:07:48,000 --> 02:07:50,800
So that's that's pretty big and 
intimidation and retire. 

2591
02:07:50,800 --> 02:07:54,500
Big part of of the Spy game. 
I'm actually only at level 3, R 

2592
02:07:54,500 --> 02:07:59,500
Izzard, but I make it seem like 
I'm a little surprised that I'm 

2593
02:07:59,500 --> 02:08:02,300
Stormborn, but it was really 
more of a Also, just like a 

2594
02:08:02,300 --> 02:08:03,700
heavy rain. 
Yeah. 

2595
02:08:04,300 --> 02:08:07,600
And I was really boring, then it
was really just a few days let 

2596
02:08:07,600 --> 02:08:10,200
you anyway. 
So those both fit with nazaria 

2597
02:08:10,200 --> 02:08:13,100
and spreading rumors and Tiana 
of the tower as well, who's also

2598
02:08:13,100 --> 02:08:15,600
rumored to be someone who cared 
about secret special, cause 

2599
02:08:15,600 --> 02:08:17,700
you've met Gore. 
He was very cruel and harsh, and

2600
02:08:17,700 --> 02:08:21,100
bloodraven isn't cruel, but he 
was harsh. 

2601
02:08:21,100 --> 02:08:23,300
He was a hardliner in a lot of 
ways. 

2602
02:08:23,700 --> 02:08:28,400
And so, you kind of see this 
sort of spy network of secret 

2603
02:08:28,400 --> 02:08:29,400
police. 
That's very kind of 

2604
02:08:29,407 --> 02:08:32,700
authoritarian under bloodraven, 
and And if she are, I was 

2605
02:08:32,700 --> 02:08:35,300
helping that engine run. 
Yeah, like I wonder what 

2606
02:08:35,300 --> 02:08:36,800
relationship you had with the 
Ravens teeth. 

2607
02:08:36,800 --> 02:08:40,400
She have Raven teeth guarding 
her half the time like following

2608
02:08:40,400 --> 02:08:42,200
her around protecting her like 
the cat. 

2609
02:08:42,200 --> 02:08:44,500
Detachment of a few of them to 
keep her safe around the red. 

2610
02:08:44,500 --> 02:08:49,200
Keep, who knows? 
Did she have dragon dreams? 

2611
02:08:49,500 --> 02:08:52,200
I would guess not, but it's 
definitely possible. 

2612
02:08:52,200 --> 02:08:54,700
And she might have had other 
ways that use divination. 

2613
02:08:55,000 --> 02:08:57,700
We, maybe, I don't know that she
had a glass candle, but all the 

2614
02:08:57,700 --> 02:09:00,500
people to have insight into how 
they might work. 

2615
02:09:00,500 --> 02:09:02,700
She would be one of them Damon 
this. 

2616
02:09:02,700 --> 02:09:06,200
I would add to her and blood 
raving seeming magically 

2617
02:09:06,200 --> 02:09:08,300
powerful. 
Yeah, between them, they had a 

2618
02:09:08,308 --> 02:09:09,500
glass candle. 
They were sharing. 

2619
02:09:09,500 --> 02:09:12,200
So I could just know things that
people like how can they 

2620
02:09:12,200 --> 02:09:13,600
possibly know that? 
You know. 

2621
02:09:13,600 --> 02:09:17,300
Yeah, and combine that with 
spies and secret passages. 

2622
02:09:17,500 --> 02:09:21,400
All this other stuff they can 
really put up a front of having 

2623
02:09:21,400 --> 02:09:24,700
more knowledge and power than it
seems possible without magic 

2624
02:09:24,800 --> 02:09:27,400
which might also have the effect
of making people. 

2625
02:09:27,400 --> 02:09:29,000
Just tell you anyway. 
Yeah. 

2626
02:09:29,000 --> 02:09:30,600
Like like that's what virus find
out. 

2627
02:09:30,600 --> 02:09:33,000
Anyway I'm magical. 
So just tell me now and save us 

2628
02:09:33,000 --> 02:09:35,800
both the trouble as far as is 
introduced as so good at his job

2629
02:09:35,800 --> 02:09:38,600
that people assume he's got 
black magic and then later, like

2630
02:09:38,600 --> 02:09:42,400
know this guy hates magic, he's 
just really good at spies, you 

2631
02:09:42,400 --> 02:09:45,100
know, of course, maybe he's 
fooled us and in thinking he 

2632
02:09:45,100 --> 02:09:47,100
hates magic and he really is 
into it, but there's no 

2633
02:09:47,100 --> 02:09:47,900
evidence. 
Dance of that. 

2634
02:09:47,900 --> 02:09:50,700
It just seems like, no, he's 
just a really damn good spy. 

2635
02:09:51,100 --> 02:09:54,500
And so our, I mean, bloodraven 
and share maybe they were too 

2636
02:09:54,800 --> 02:09:57,000
but they probably did the magic.
Another interesting about 

2637
02:09:57,000 --> 02:09:59,800
bloodraven in the idea that 
there's dreams or some prophecy 

2638
02:09:59,800 --> 02:10:02,500
that they're worried about for 
the future aegon's dream, 

2639
02:10:02,500 --> 02:10:04,300
however you want to phrase it or
call it. 

2640
02:10:05,400 --> 02:10:07,100
At some point. 
Bloodraven weather. 

2641
02:10:07,100 --> 02:10:09,300
Early in life later in life, is 
a big open question. 

2642
02:10:09,600 --> 02:10:14,200
He got on that track, he found 
himself communicating with some 

2643
02:10:14,200 --> 02:10:17,000
greens here I guess they brought
him into the fold somehow just 

2644
02:10:17,000 --> 02:10:19,700
how it looks like a brand was 
brought into the fold but 

2645
02:10:20,600 --> 02:10:22,100
saying, I know exactly what 
happened. 

2646
02:10:22,100 --> 02:10:24,500
Of course I don't we have a lot 
of theories in our bloodraven 

2647
02:10:24,500 --> 02:10:26,000
episodes about what might have 
happened here. 

2648
02:10:26,200 --> 02:10:30,000
But at some point he became 
concerned with that and if he 

2649
02:10:30,000 --> 02:10:33,000
was still connected to share sea
star at that time, he would have

2650
02:10:33,100 --> 02:10:36,100
absolutely told her and maybe 
she Been reading about as well, 

2651
02:10:36,100 --> 02:10:39,500
maybe she could corroborate it 
from things he'd already read or

2652
02:10:39,500 --> 02:10:42,700
dreamed or something and then 
there are all the been they're 

2653
02:10:42,700 --> 02:10:44,400
Off to the Races. 
Like oh my God, this is real, 

2654
02:10:44,400 --> 02:10:47,000
this is a big deal and then that
opens up all kinds of 

2655
02:10:47,000 --> 02:10:50,700
possibilities with bloodraven 
and with maybe with her help and

2656
02:10:50,700 --> 02:10:52,700
or consent manipulating the 
succession. 

2657
02:10:52,700 --> 02:10:57,200
Like one of our theories is that
Aryan didn't just drink Wildfire

2658
02:10:57,400 --> 02:11:00,900
because he was drunk and crazy. 
Someone kind of like egged him 

2659
02:11:00,900 --> 02:11:03,400
on to get him out of the way 
because he was set to be king 

2660
02:11:03,500 --> 02:11:05,000
and no one wanted that think of 
anyone. 

2661
02:11:05,100 --> 02:11:07,400
Gonna take care of that. 
It could be bloodraven or even 

2662
02:11:07,400 --> 02:11:09,200
share. 
Sea Star like know, Aaron was 

2663
02:11:09,200 --> 02:11:12,300
interested in Black Magic, as 
well, as a kind of an untapped 

2664
02:11:12,300 --> 02:11:15,200
subplot that he was involved in 
Magic, but this guy involved in 

2665
02:11:15,200 --> 02:11:16,500
Magic. 
Now this does not seem like a 

2666
02:11:16,508 --> 02:11:18,900
match for someone like share or 
bloodraven to work with on 

2667
02:11:18,900 --> 02:11:22,800
magical topics because he's he's
a Joffrey you know like who can 

2668
02:11:22,800 --> 02:11:26,000
get work with a guy like that. 
Like this isn't the careful 

2669
02:11:26,000 --> 02:11:28,700
cautious approach. 
You need to work with magic. 

2670
02:11:28,700 --> 02:11:31,400
This is a guy that drinks 
Wildfire when he's drunk. 

2671
02:11:31,400 --> 02:11:34,500
I mean you can't can't work with
that so you see why they would 

2672
02:11:34,500 --> 02:11:36,100
want him? 
Abi Way, like if you really, 

2673
02:11:36,100 --> 02:11:39,000
this is pretty tinfoil e, but 
it's within the realm of 

2674
02:11:39,000 --> 02:11:41,900
possibility that they that they 
had a hand in murdering him or 

2675
02:11:41,900 --> 02:11:44,200
tricking him into doing 
something that would get him 

2676
02:11:44,200 --> 02:11:46,700
killed. 
It's much is like, Cersei 

2677
02:11:46,700 --> 02:11:49,900
getting Robert drunk. 
Like, yeah, Robert did him to 

2678
02:11:49,900 --> 02:11:53,000
himself but Cersei pushed it 
along, they enabled it. 

2679
02:11:53,000 --> 02:11:55,100
They were like, what's this, 
create the scenario, where the, 

2680
02:11:55,200 --> 02:11:57,700
where the best case for us could
happen, eventually? 

2681
02:11:57,700 --> 02:11:59,500
They keep getting him drunk 
hunting? 

2682
02:11:59,500 --> 02:12:00,600
He's gonna die? 
Yeah. 

2683
02:12:00,700 --> 02:12:01,300
Yeah. 
May not happen. 

2684
02:12:01,300 --> 02:12:03,200
Yeah, they were lucky that. 
It happened that particular 

2685
02:12:03,200 --> 02:12:04,900
time. 
I mean, to serve the story kind 

2686
02:12:04,900 --> 02:12:09,200
of Needed to but like maybe you 
share and bloodraven were 

2687
02:12:09,200 --> 02:12:11,300
themselves. 
Curious, what happens if we 

2688
02:12:11,300 --> 02:12:14,700
drink Dragonfire? 
Like, yeah, would it work? 

2689
02:12:14,700 --> 02:12:17,300
We read this pellet. 
Let's get Aaron to do it. 

2690
02:12:17,300 --> 02:12:21,200
I guess the wind like, yeah, we 
can 50. 

2691
02:12:21,200 --> 02:12:23,200
If he kills himself then, thank 
goodness. 

2692
02:12:23,200 --> 02:12:25,200
We don't kill ourselves and 
we're rid of him. 

2693
02:12:25,300 --> 02:12:27,500
If it doesn't kill him, if it 
hatches a dragon world. 

2694
02:12:27,500 --> 02:12:31,600
We're doing it next. 
Yeah, so I really there's super 

2695
02:12:31,600 --> 02:12:34,300
wide open like, damn Damon the 
second have prophetic dreams. 

2696
02:12:34,300 --> 02:12:37,300
So this is yet another On this 
era that had, you know, Dragon 

2697
02:12:37,300 --> 02:12:39,700
dreams prophetic dreams, there's
a lot of it in this era maybe 

2698
02:12:39,700 --> 02:12:42,400
even more so than any other era 
might be because there's no 

2699
02:12:42,400 --> 02:12:46,200
dragons and everybody's the 
dreamers are picking up on these

2700
02:12:46,200 --> 02:12:48,900
dream waves that are out there. 
They're the problem it's the 

2701
02:12:48,900 --> 02:12:52,400
closer or the prophecy comes to 
fulfilling true the closer to 

2702
02:12:52,400 --> 02:12:54,500
the point in the real timeline 
and it comes to happening the 

2703
02:12:54,500 --> 02:12:57,600
more the dream start to happen 
because the event is closer in 

2704
02:12:57,600 --> 02:13:00,900
proximity trying to explain the 
unexplainable, trying to make 

2705
02:13:00,900 --> 02:13:03,900
but Logic on something that's 
kind of illogical but hey it's 

2706
02:13:03,900 --> 02:13:08,400
fun to do that. 
Aries, considering areas and 

2707
02:13:08,700 --> 02:13:10,200
dragons returning and 
Bloodlines. 

2708
02:13:10,200 --> 02:13:12,500
You wonder if he had a thought 
to marry share to someone 

2709
02:13:12,500 --> 02:13:14,500
because she has no proper 
Valyrian Heritage. 

2710
02:13:14,500 --> 02:13:17,400
And that might they might need 
to ensure that that bloodline 

2711
02:13:17,400 --> 02:13:19,800
propagates but obviously that 
wasn't enacted. 

2712
02:13:19,800 --> 02:13:22,800
Aries didn't have her. 
Marry anyone's it's maybe a dead

2713
02:13:22,800 --> 02:13:24,600
end. 
A theory there in the year. 

2714
02:13:24,600 --> 02:13:27,500
2019, the third blackfyre 
Rebellion happened. 

2715
02:13:27,600 --> 02:13:29,600
This is the one. 
We know the least about George 

2716
02:13:29,600 --> 02:13:34,100
clearly decided to hold off on 
fully, describing it in order to

2717
02:13:34,100 --> 02:13:36,000
write it at a later date. 
What we do? 

2718
02:13:36,100 --> 02:13:37,400
No. 
Is that it was another defeat 

2719
02:13:37,400 --> 02:13:39,500
for better steal. 
It was the closest probably that

2720
02:13:39,500 --> 02:13:42,900
they came to winning arguably. 
Maybe the first one, they were 

2721
02:13:42,900 --> 02:13:45,100
even closer, but something super
interesting here. 

2722
02:13:45,100 --> 02:13:48,600
That relates to she era was that
bittersteel and Hague on 

2723
02:13:48,600 --> 02:13:51,100
Blackfire? 
Hang on, hang on was the number 

2724
02:13:51,100 --> 02:13:53,600
one black fire. 
The time and better, she will 

2725
02:13:53,608 --> 02:13:57,300
both capture someone killed 
Hague on in captivity. 

2726
02:13:57,300 --> 02:13:59,600
We don't know who it was. 
It was it may have been Aryan. 

2727
02:13:59,600 --> 02:14:03,700
It may have been bloodraven and 
bloodraven argued that they 

2728
02:14:03,700 --> 02:14:07,600
execute bittersteel too. 
Aries said, no. 

2729
02:14:07,700 --> 02:14:09,400
It's like, no, we're going to 
spare him and send him to the 

2730
02:14:09,400 --> 02:14:11,900
wall. 
What did she era say? 

2731
02:14:12,600 --> 02:14:14,000
She probably had a voice in 
this. 

2732
02:14:14,000 --> 02:14:16,300
It may not have been a voice 
that anyone listen to, but I 

2733
02:14:16,300 --> 02:14:18,800
kind of tend to think she had 
influence has given everybody 

2734
02:14:18,800 --> 02:14:20,000
who cared about what she 
thought. 

2735
02:14:20,000 --> 02:14:23,300
I'll men like trying to win her 
favor and bloodraven clearly 

2736
02:14:23,300 --> 02:14:25,300
worked with her. 
I feel like areas would have at 

2737
02:14:25,300 --> 02:14:27,300
least value her opinion on some 
things. 

2738
02:14:27,900 --> 02:14:31,400
I don't suspect she pushed for 
his death but bloodraven, 

2739
02:14:31,400 --> 02:14:34,700
certainly did. 
Did she even maybe she argued, 

2740
02:14:34,700 --> 02:14:37,200
for Hague on to maybe that? 
Maybe she was involved in that 

2741
02:14:37,200 --> 02:14:39,400
one way or another, she argued 
against killing him and someone 

2742
02:14:39,400 --> 02:14:41,500
killed him anyway. 
And maybe that maybe this was 

2743
02:14:41,500 --> 02:14:44,300
some part of something that put 
a wedge between her and 

2744
02:14:44,300 --> 02:14:46,200
bloodraven. 
That she's like, look, I love 

2745
02:14:46,200 --> 02:14:48,800
you both or I don't love either 
of you. 

2746
02:14:48,800 --> 02:14:52,400
Maybe another, somebody open 
possibilities here that she was 

2747
02:14:52,400 --> 02:14:55,500
turned off, by him wanting to 
execute his brother. 

2748
02:14:57,100 --> 02:14:59,900
It's also possible that she's 
the mole. 

2749
02:15:00,400 --> 02:15:04,700
He escaped captivity on the way 
to the wall which is like, whoa!

2750
02:15:04,700 --> 02:15:08,300
That is some escape artist of 
Harry Houdini business. 

2751
02:15:08,300 --> 02:15:11,200
They're just escaping a ship on 
the way to the wall, someone 

2752
02:15:11,200 --> 02:15:15,200
told there's other possibilities
beside her but she would be in a

2753
02:15:15,208 --> 02:15:17,300
position to if anyone's gonna 
know. 

2754
02:15:17,300 --> 02:15:20,200
Like when the ship is departing,
what ship it is. 

2755
02:15:20,900 --> 02:15:23,700
Yeah it's possible that it was 
her that she is there's like I 

2756
02:15:23,708 --> 02:15:26,400
don't want my brother to go to 
the wall or she just It enjoys 

2757
02:15:26,400 --> 02:15:29,000
the fight between her brother so
much, like I'm gonna make sure 

2758
02:15:29,000 --> 02:15:30,900
he escaped so they can do this 
all over again. 

2759
02:15:31,400 --> 02:15:32,400
Yeah. 
Like it's possible. 

2760
02:15:32,400 --> 02:15:36,600
She's that kind of evil, you 
know, that she enjoys been 

2761
02:15:36,600 --> 02:15:38,500
fighting jet, a lot of it in her
life. 

2762
02:15:38,500 --> 02:15:40,200
Men fighting over her. 
She may have gotten cynical 

2763
02:15:40,200 --> 02:15:42,000
about it, you know, like these 
idiots. 

2764
02:15:43,100 --> 02:15:48,000
So, yeah. 
The next rain, after the third 

2765
02:15:48,000 --> 02:15:50,900
blackfyre Rebellion would have 
been two years later when it 

2766
02:15:50,900 --> 02:15:52,500
began. 
Make our started his reign in 

2767
02:15:52,500 --> 02:15:56,100
the year to 21. 
And that would have been 12-year

2768
02:15:56,100 --> 02:16:00,200
rain and egg would have been 
elected King following the great

2769
02:16:00,200 --> 02:16:03,100
Council of 233. 
Was she there? 

2770
02:16:04,300 --> 02:16:06,500
Was she part of the Great 
Council? 

2771
02:16:06,500 --> 02:16:08,800
Was she one of the people 
pushing for someone or not 

2772
02:16:08,800 --> 02:16:13,300
pushing for someone or arguing 
one side or another when she for

2773
02:16:13,300 --> 02:16:17,300
egg was she even alive then? 
Yeah, like what she decided to 

2774
02:16:17,300 --> 02:16:18,600
go elsewhere, she went to court 
somewhere. 

2775
02:16:18,600 --> 02:16:21,900
In Russia was an ambassador to 
some other city or maybe she 

2776
02:16:21,907 --> 02:16:24,200
just left, she went to a shy. 
She's like you know, there's 

2777
02:16:24,200 --> 02:16:26,600
lots of magic there, I can 
there's all sorts of things I 

2778
02:16:26,608 --> 02:16:27,200
can do there. 
Maybe. 

2779
02:16:27,200 --> 02:16:29,900
Yeah, maybe under make our 
things weren't so great. 

2780
02:16:29,900 --> 02:16:32,000
Make ours a hardliner, kind of a
jerk. 

2781
02:16:32,000 --> 02:16:33,400
Maybe he didn't let her do 
things. 

2782
02:16:33,500 --> 02:16:37,299
Yes, I mean make our changed his
tune, he named bloodraven hand 

2783
02:16:37,299 --> 02:16:38,700
after for a long time, being 
bitter. 

2784
02:16:38,700 --> 02:16:40,799
That fluttering was named hand 
over him. 

2785
02:16:41,500 --> 02:16:44,500
So something changed in his mind
or he was willing to accept 

2786
02:16:44,500 --> 02:16:46,400
bloodraven. 
Maybe he was just mad at his 

2787
02:16:46,400 --> 02:16:48,200
brother and not. 
So mad at the guy that he's 

2788
02:16:48,200 --> 02:16:51,000
chosen chosen to protect a 
replace him or take his spot 

2789
02:16:51,000 --> 02:16:54,400
that he thought was going to be 
his lot of personnel, a lot of 

2790
02:16:54,400 --> 02:16:58,700
personal feelings and beliefs 
that are untapped here, that can

2791
02:16:58,700 --> 02:17:01,700
really change the picture. 
But I'm very curious and if she 

2792
02:17:01,700 --> 02:17:04,700
was there and what about during 
the Great Council, a nice black 

2793
02:17:04,700 --> 02:17:06,600
fire. 
Remember what? 

2794
02:17:06,600 --> 02:17:08,799
This is, what got bloodraven 
sent to the wall, right? 

2795
02:17:08,799 --> 02:17:10,600
He's like, yes, a nice. 
Black fire. 

2796
02:17:10,600 --> 02:17:12,799
Come come. 
Make your play at the great 

2797
02:17:12,799 --> 02:17:14,299
Council. 
Give your speech. 

2798
02:17:14,500 --> 02:17:16,000
Do your thing. 
One of my theories is that a 

2799
02:17:16,000 --> 02:17:20,700
nice was surprisingly. 
Convincing and butter is like oh

2800
02:17:20,799 --> 02:17:21,900
crap. 
This guy is actually like a 

2801
02:17:21,907 --> 02:17:23,900
really good speaker. 
He's making a good point, so I 

2802
02:17:23,907 --> 02:17:27,200
gotta kill it as I may have 
pivoted to that plan to kill 

2803
02:17:27,200 --> 02:17:31,299
him, but more likely he just 
planted Kill them all, long 

2804
02:17:31,299 --> 02:17:34,299
invited him there as a trap and 
like, okay you dumbass, you came

2805
02:17:34,299 --> 02:17:36,500
here and I'm going to kill you 
now that got bloodraven sent to 

2806
02:17:36,500 --> 02:17:37,799
the wall when egg took the 
crown. 

2807
02:17:37,799 --> 02:17:41,600
He's like, no, you can't the 
Crown's word was sullied. 

2808
02:17:41,600 --> 02:17:45,200
Here you'll you, you were you 
acting as the crown lied, 

2809
02:17:45,200 --> 02:17:46,700
someone in the whole world saw 
it. 

2810
02:17:46,700 --> 02:17:51,900
We can't have that our word has 
to be as good as gold as vulgar 

2811
02:17:51,900 --> 02:17:56,500
as that may be, especially in 
his type of scenario, you know 

2812
02:17:56,500 --> 02:17:59,600
what I mean, the whole realm it.
Maybe it's one thing in the 

2813
02:17:59,600 --> 02:18:02,000
middle of War. 
Or you're trying to figure out 

2814
02:18:02,000 --> 02:18:05,400
where the divvy up the troops 
and until a commander that will 

2815
02:18:05,400 --> 02:18:07,200
give them three ships. 
But then you don't because 

2816
02:18:07,200 --> 02:18:11,400
someone else needed more but 
this is like relatively a time 

2817
02:18:11,400 --> 02:18:14,500
of peace and a time of 
diplomacy, this is you know what

2818
02:18:14,500 --> 02:18:17,200
I mean? 
This is like a moment where 

2819
02:18:17,500 --> 02:18:19,100
people need to be able to trust 
you, you know? 

2820
02:18:19,100 --> 02:18:21,799
Yeah. 
So it's a bad precedent to set. 

2821
02:18:21,799 --> 02:18:22,900
Its really interesting to 
consider. 

2822
02:18:22,900 --> 02:18:25,400
She are here to cheer a know he 
was going to do that. 

2823
02:18:25,500 --> 02:18:27,200
She know he was going to kill a 
nice black fire. 

2824
02:18:27,200 --> 02:18:29,299
Like that was just like he may 
have confided in her, that was 

2825
02:18:29,299 --> 02:18:31,799
his plan. 
Like if they Plus together if 

2826
02:18:31,799 --> 02:18:33,900
they're still working close 
together at that point, she 

2827
02:18:33,900 --> 02:18:36,400
might have known a lot of what 
he was going to do before he did

2828
02:18:36,400 --> 02:18:41,000
it because they talked through. 
It's a very unclear on how much 

2829
02:18:41,000 --> 02:18:43,600
they operated in concert or 
whether he just did these things

2830
02:18:43,600 --> 02:18:47,200
on his own, or who knows. 
And she may have argued against 

2831
02:18:47,200 --> 02:18:49,700
it you market for it. 
She made, but she may have been 

2832
02:18:49,700 --> 02:18:51,799
able to tell him. 
Well, this is a bad idea, you 

2833
02:18:51,799 --> 02:18:53,200
know? 
Like we could for you personally

2834
02:18:53,200 --> 02:18:54,700
politically like, this is gonna 
get you fired. 

2835
02:18:54,700 --> 02:18:57,799
She may have seen that coming 
and he may have like nah or just

2836
02:18:58,100 --> 02:18:59,900
I got to do it or he's just 
hates the blackfyre. 

2837
02:18:59,900 --> 02:19:03,100
So Much that he made a bad 
decision because he's so full of

2838
02:19:03,108 --> 02:19:07,000
hate. 
Either way their relationship. 

2839
02:19:07,000 --> 02:19:10,500
If it still existed that point 
would certainly be over by then 

2840
02:19:10,500 --> 02:19:15,000
because he's going to the wall, 
which another possible wrinkle 

2841
02:19:15,000 --> 02:19:18,000
here is, maybe this is why he 
was so reckless, maybe she died 

2842
02:19:18,400 --> 02:19:21,100
and he was bereft. 
Maybe she left him for good 

2843
02:19:21,100 --> 02:19:24,200
like, no, I'm moving to Ash. 
I'll never see me again or maybe

2844
02:19:24,200 --> 02:19:26,700
never see me again. 
He was just, like, sad about 

2845
02:19:26,700 --> 02:19:29,100
this. 
And, you know, took things too 

2846
02:19:29,100 --> 02:19:31,799
far because he was in his things
in this person, like we're going

2847
02:19:31,799 --> 02:19:36,500
bad, which brings us back to 
bearson's, quote About how major

2848
02:19:36,500 --> 02:19:42,200
decisions that affect the entire
realm can come because one dude 

2849
02:19:42,200 --> 02:19:45,500
feels jilted. 
One guy, the guy in charge his 

2850
02:19:45,500 --> 02:19:49,200
wife left him or his child died 
and now he's decision-making is 

2851
02:19:49,500 --> 02:19:53,100
suspect because he's just so 
personally wrecked and can't do 

2852
02:19:53,100 --> 02:19:55,600
things properly anymore. 
I wonder if Blood Ravens rash 

2853
02:19:55,600 --> 02:19:58,900
decision here was something to 
do with his personal life was 

2854
02:19:58,900 --> 02:20:05,700
sheer total, Theory, nothing to 
suggest that directly, but I 

2855
02:20:05,700 --> 02:20:08,000
think there's some Merit to the 
idea at least even if it is kind

2856
02:20:08,000 --> 02:20:11,500
of random. 
And because she's magical and 

2857
02:20:11,500 --> 02:20:13,700
her death is uncertain and 
because her lover is still 

2858
02:20:13,700 --> 02:20:18,200
alive, former lover, there are 
theories that she is to one pot.

2859
02:20:18,200 --> 02:20:22,100
One of the theories suggest she 
is quate her dream mask is made 

2860
02:20:22,100 --> 02:20:24,500
of Starlight. 
The eyes don't match. 

2861
02:20:24,500 --> 02:20:27,100
Those quite sighs. 
Aren't the color isn't describe 

2862
02:20:27,100 --> 02:20:30,500
their called wet so you could so
they're described like it's 

2863
02:20:30,500 --> 02:20:32,400
someone has looked at these eyes
and describe it they were 

2864
02:20:32,400 --> 02:20:35,800
mismatched you really think that
would we'd see that? 

2865
02:20:37,000 --> 02:20:39,700
Another theory suggests, she's 
the mother of Melisandre. 

2866
02:20:40,200 --> 02:20:42,200
The timeline is pretty tight on 
that possibility. 

2867
02:20:42,200 --> 02:20:45,100
It does. 
It is possible that she would 

2868
02:20:45,100 --> 02:20:47,000
the idea would be that she went 
to a shrine to learn and 

2869
02:20:47,000 --> 02:20:50,000
practice more sorcery and then 
got enslaved while she was over 

2870
02:20:50,000 --> 02:20:53,000
there and then her child 
Melisandre, who earliest 

2871
02:20:53,000 --> 02:20:56,800
memories are being sold at 
auction for more on this idea. 

2872
02:20:56,800 --> 02:20:58,200
Check out radio. 
Westeros is episode of 

2873
02:20:58,200 --> 02:21:01,100
Melisandre. 
You know, just thinking about 

2874
02:21:01,100 --> 02:21:04,300
that system at Melisandre. 
I'm just think about the 

2875
02:21:04,300 --> 02:21:07,100
parallel of like Stannis be on 
in this track. 

2876
02:21:07,600 --> 02:21:10,000
And in this Witchy Woman comes 
along and says, you need to go 

2877
02:21:10,000 --> 02:21:12,900
to the wall. 
Hmm, wonder bloodraven was on 

2878
02:21:12,900 --> 02:21:15,300
some certain track and share see
stars, like, no, you need to go 

2879
02:21:15,300 --> 02:21:17,000
to the wall, but that is a good 
idea. 

2880
02:21:17,000 --> 02:21:18,400
What? 
Ever reason, whatever Vision 

2881
02:21:18,400 --> 02:21:20,600
they had whatever attention or 
motivation. 

2882
02:21:20,600 --> 02:21:22,500
I wonder if there's a parallel 
to be had there. 

2883
02:21:22,700 --> 02:21:25,600
It's a good idea because people 
have wondered it along the lines

2884
02:21:25,600 --> 02:21:28,600
of when did bloodraven decided 
he needed to start working 

2885
02:21:28,600 --> 02:21:30,900
towards. 
Saving the realm from the great 

2886
02:21:30,900 --> 02:21:32,400
winter, that's coming. 
Rather than being handed the 

2887
02:21:32,408 --> 02:21:33,400
king. 
When did they, when he 

2888
02:21:33,400 --> 02:21:35,600
transition from one to the other
and did he get sent to the 

2889
02:21:35,600 --> 02:21:36,600
walls? 
And people think he got sent to 

2890
02:21:36,600 --> 02:21:38,500
the wall on purpose? 
He's knew he would get sent to 

2891
02:21:38,500 --> 02:21:40,900
the wall, right? 
As a little much for me, but he 

2892
02:21:40,900 --> 02:21:42,700
knew exactly what the penalty 
would be. 

2893
02:21:44,300 --> 02:21:46,500
But also you just voluntarily 
take the black. 

2894
02:21:46,500 --> 02:21:49,300
You know, if you wanted to know 
if it's it might not be a 

2895
02:21:49,300 --> 02:21:51,700
stretch that you know, of the 
penalty would be because he 

2896
02:21:51,700 --> 02:21:53,400
might have proposed it ahead of 
time. 

2897
02:21:53,500 --> 02:21:55,800
Oh okay might have said well 
what if I kill him? 

2898
02:21:55,800 --> 02:21:57,400
Then I'll send him to the wall. 
Okay? 

2899
02:21:57,500 --> 02:21:59,200
Okay, let's do that. 
What you gonna do Sam is of all,

2900
02:21:59,200 --> 02:22:01,800
he kind of like, set it up so 
that, that was the thing he 

2901
02:22:01,800 --> 02:22:02,400
knew. 
Okay? 

2902
02:22:02,400 --> 02:22:04,400
Yeah, okay. 
Yeah, I guess I could see that. 

2903
02:22:04,700 --> 02:22:07,700
I think whatever the idea though
connecting this to Shara 

2904
02:22:07,700 --> 02:22:11,500
whatever point at, which these 
Visions came to her, this became

2905
02:22:11,500 --> 02:22:14,600
clear. 
I imagine they were Connected on

2906
02:22:14,600 --> 02:22:17,900
this like they talk about it or 
they discussed it previously or 

2907
02:22:18,400 --> 02:22:20,400
assuming. 
She's still alive that she would

2908
02:22:20,400 --> 02:22:24,400
have been involved and maybe 
would have been aware at least 

2909
02:22:24,800 --> 02:22:27,500
of what he was doing and maybe 
even the importance of it. 

2910
02:22:27,700 --> 02:22:30,400
Which, which is part of why some
people think she's still alive 

2911
02:22:30,400 --> 02:22:34,500
because quaithe is trying to 
steer Danny, without ambition, 

2912
02:22:34,700 --> 02:22:37,500
apparently towards saving the 
world, right? 

2913
02:22:37,500 --> 02:22:39,700
So that is part of why it's 
connected here. 

2914
02:22:39,700 --> 02:22:44,700
There's like, okay, well we've 
got bloodraven on One side 

2915
02:22:45,000 --> 02:22:46,500
trying to save the world through
brand. 

2916
02:22:46,500 --> 02:22:48,200
Well, what about this other main
player? 

2917
02:22:48,200 --> 02:22:50,300
Like his right? 
And you still got the golden 

2918
02:22:50,300 --> 02:22:52,800
company involved in between 
these plot lines. 

2919
02:22:52,800 --> 02:22:57,300
So the great bastards are still 
having their huge impact on 

2920
02:22:57,300 --> 02:22:59,100
Westeros even now, it's pretty 
cool. 

2921
02:22:59,700 --> 02:23:01,800
And when Brandis covers 
bloodraven in the cave Beyond 

2922
02:23:01,800 --> 02:23:04,000
the Wall, he mentions bloodraven
does a girl. 

2923
02:23:04,000 --> 02:23:07,200
He desired. 
He pauses he's like a girl. 

2924
02:23:07,200 --> 02:23:10,600
I a woman I desire. 
He's indicating maybe that he 

2925
02:23:10,600 --> 02:23:13,600
never loved her or maybe that's 
just bitterness maybe because 

2926
02:23:13,600 --> 02:23:15,500
she Reciprocate as much as he 
wanted to. 

2927
02:23:15,500 --> 02:23:19,100
He just tells himself that. 
No, just because his brother's 

2928
02:23:19,100 --> 02:23:23,700
name is better, doesn't mean he 
can't be better to, maybe he 

2929
02:23:23,700 --> 02:23:27,100
doesn't want to Cloud Brands 
Judgment of things. 

2930
02:23:27,100 --> 02:23:30,800
Okay, just saying that. 
Now, 10 years from now, brand 

2931
02:23:30,800 --> 02:23:33,500
might think I never got the 
chance to love anyone, you know?

2932
02:23:33,500 --> 02:23:36,400
Like, it's hard to know what 
effects that might have as a 

2933
02:23:36,408 --> 02:23:38,900
mentor to a young boy. 
A good point because bloodraven 

2934
02:23:38,900 --> 02:23:41,600
from a from a rational 
perspective like this, kid's got

2935
02:23:41,600 --> 02:23:44,900
to get to saving the world now. 
Now he doesn't have time to be a

2936
02:23:44,900 --> 02:23:47,200
kid as I'm time for love and all
this other stuff. 

2937
02:23:47,400 --> 02:23:49,600
So yeah, maybe he's trying to 
just Poison the Well of love 

2938
02:23:49,600 --> 02:23:52,100
because the see just that he 
doesn't have that luxury. 

2939
02:23:52,100 --> 02:23:54,100
It's pretty sad but kind of 
understand. 

2940
02:23:54,200 --> 02:23:59,200
Hmm. 
From Kirsty Angel. 

2941
02:23:59,200 --> 02:24:01,100
Her eyes remind me of Alyssa 
Targaryen. 

2942
02:24:01,400 --> 02:24:03,600
That's a good point. 
Melissa Targaryen did have a 

2943
02:24:03,608 --> 02:24:05,300
green and blue eye. 
That's a great point. 

2944
02:24:05,300 --> 02:24:08,200
I'm some kind of surprise. 
I missed that and what doesn't 

2945
02:24:08,200 --> 02:24:09,300
tear? 
You have a green Diner. 

2946
02:24:09,300 --> 02:24:11,200
Blue green. 
And a black man. 

2947
02:24:11,200 --> 02:24:13,300
Black man. 
Yeah close. 

2948
02:24:13,300 --> 02:24:16,700
But not quite Some people wonder
if that black eye is is like 

2949
02:24:16,700 --> 02:24:19,900
dark purple because that, that 
would be, because of a giveaway 

2950
02:24:20,700 --> 02:24:23,800
of a Heritage. 
That may not be his Soaker 

2951
02:24:23,800 --> 02:24:25,100
changes. 
Her eyes remind me of listen, 

2952
02:24:25,100 --> 02:24:28,900
Targaryen share a sea, star 
sounds like shahrazad in 1001 

2953
02:24:28,900 --> 02:24:31,300
Nights links to bloodraven 2001.
I do ya see. 

2954
02:24:31,300 --> 02:24:34,200
She cursed, he pointed something
shahrazad out in a couple 

2955
02:24:34,200 --> 02:24:36,700
episodes ago and here we are. 
Again, that's so cool. 

2956
02:24:36,700 --> 02:24:38,700
It keeps coming back up and 
George of course, is aware of 

2957
02:24:38,700 --> 02:24:41,000
that story. 
George is such an Avid Reader. 

2958
02:24:41,000 --> 02:24:44,200
He's aware of all these things. 
Maybe that was sunk into his - 

2959
02:24:44,300 --> 02:24:46,900
yeah, thousand eyes and one 1001
Arabian Nights. 

2960
02:24:46,900 --> 02:24:48,500
Yeah. 
That is that's just 

2961
02:24:48,500 --> 02:24:51,900
scheherazade. 
She heresy stars like some 

2962
02:24:53,300 --> 02:24:55,800
parallel to the word. 
It's you know the pronunciation.

2963
02:24:55,800 --> 02:24:56,900
Whatever. 
That's cool. 

2964
02:24:57,500 --> 02:25:01,700
I like it. 
And she's also wondering if old 

2965
02:25:01,700 --> 02:25:04,000
man at Winterfell is may be 
related to the Starks through 

2966
02:25:04,000 --> 02:25:07,100
their bad mother based on the 
story telling ya. 

2967
02:25:07,300 --> 02:25:10,600
It's you know we have old man's 
a really wonderful mystery. 

2968
02:25:11,100 --> 02:25:13,800
I don't think she's related to 
the Starks because we're told 

2969
02:25:13,900 --> 02:25:21,300
Told that she came or she says 
she came to Winterfell for a 

2970
02:25:21,308 --> 02:25:24,800
young Brandon, it will be a 
wedding that doesn't sound like 

2971
02:25:24,900 --> 02:25:27,200
she was a stark. 
You don't, you know, she wasn't 

2972
02:25:27,200 --> 02:25:30,300
part of Winterfell and she was 
brought in as a wet nurse 

2973
02:25:30,300 --> 02:25:31,800
doesn't really sound like saying
a stark with you. 

2974
02:25:31,800 --> 02:25:36,000
That's like that's the duty of 
someone of a lower station, you 

2975
02:25:36,000 --> 02:25:38,500
know, the way they handle things
but you never know what, what an

2976
02:25:38,500 --> 02:25:40,400
old man's heritage's. 
She could have some Stark blood 

2977
02:25:40,400 --> 02:25:41,600
in her from way back. 
Who knows? 

2978
02:25:41,600 --> 02:25:44,700
Who knows. 
Okay. 

2979
02:25:45,300 --> 02:25:52,100
Trivia answer the question was, 
which men have bathed in blood 

2980
02:25:52,700 --> 02:25:55,400
in the series share C. 
Star guest, Sam. 

2981
02:25:55,400 --> 02:25:57,100
That's correct. 
Sam did bathe in blood. 

2982
02:25:57,100 --> 02:25:59,400
His father, forced him to bathe 
and Bulls blood to make him lose

2983
02:25:59,400 --> 02:26:01,500
his cowardice. 
He didn't like it so much. 

2984
02:26:01,500 --> 02:26:04,400
It made him throw up shocking. 
I would probably make me throw 

2985
02:26:04,400 --> 02:26:06,200
up too. 
That's pretty nasty. 

2986
02:26:06,700 --> 02:26:08,300
Animal lover, Nicole guess, 
truce. 

2987
02:26:08,300 --> 02:26:09,600
I don't think Bruce is bathed in
blood. 

2988
02:26:09,600 --> 02:26:13,800
He's had the leeches on him. 
And he talks about bad blood. 

2989
02:26:13,800 --> 02:26:17,100
I don't think he's bathed in it.
Maybe he has, I could be wrong. 

2990
02:26:17,100 --> 02:26:18,500
I didn't find that in my 
searching. 

2991
02:26:18,500 --> 02:26:21,100
Scott W said, Khal Drogo, which 
is correct. 

2992
02:26:21,100 --> 02:26:23,100
That's the other one he did 
bathe in blood. 

2993
02:26:23,100 --> 02:26:26,100
His stallion Zone. 
Stallions blood was put into the

2994
02:26:26,108 --> 02:26:29,400
bath with him and I was part of 
the ritual with Miriam as door. 

2995
02:26:29,800 --> 02:26:30,600
Yes. 
People. 

2996
02:26:30,600 --> 02:26:33,500
You did well on the guess is 
they're proud of Sheriff's 

2997
02:26:33,500 --> 02:26:34,800
Easter. 
Yeah, she sure. 

2998
02:26:34,800 --> 02:26:37,200
Got one of them that's your 
stuff. 

2999
02:26:38,000 --> 02:26:41,500
I appreciate that. 
Sam and called Drogo. 

3000
02:26:42,100 --> 02:26:53,600
Have in common bathing in blood.
Drogo didn't need the basket. 

3001
02:26:53,600 --> 02:27:13,200
Current for courage, you have 
had sex, maester drug Do you 

3002
02:27:13,200 --> 02:27:18,400
imagine them reversed like Sam 
Hollis are like letting the 

3003
02:27:18,700 --> 02:27:22,000
where's Drogo at the pouring 
over an old book, like reading 

3004
02:27:22,000 --> 02:27:25,100
some book that is the tallest 
Meister I've ever seen. 

3005
02:27:27,600 --> 02:27:32,400
Yeah, do not mess with that. 
Master Cheese, he's like ripping

3006
02:27:32,400 --> 02:27:33,700
other. 
He's like that guy's where he 

3007
02:27:33,700 --> 02:27:35,900
just rips the chain right off? 
You know and hold. 

3008
02:27:35,900 --> 02:27:38,500
Someone's head off with it. 
Do we have any examples? 

3009
02:27:38,500 --> 02:27:39,700
Do we specifically know that 
Khal? 

3010
02:27:39,700 --> 02:27:41,700
Drogo has killed someone with 
one blow. 

3011
02:27:41,800 --> 02:27:44,700
Whoa. 
Yeah, because Sam is told 

3012
02:27:44,700 --> 02:27:48,300
someone with one below so that 
would be another parallel to the

3013
02:27:48,300 --> 02:27:50,500
show he did. 
But I don't think we see it. 

3014
02:27:50,700 --> 02:27:53,200
Maybe we don't know that we see 
him kill anyone on TV in the 

3015
02:27:53,200 --> 02:27:55,100
books. 
He just slap do another didn't 

3016
02:27:55,100 --> 02:28:00,300
he write did Drogo ever kill 
anyone with a single book? 

3017
02:28:00,800 --> 02:28:02,600
Yeah, I don't. 
I mean, he surely did, we don't 

3018
02:28:02,600 --> 02:28:06,000
see it, you know, we actually 
never see him fight at all 

3019
02:28:06,200 --> 02:28:09,000
books. 
Just show he kills that uppity 

3020
02:28:09,000 --> 02:28:10,300
covid. 
Yeah. 

3021
02:28:11,800 --> 02:28:16,300
So next week, Blackfriars and 
mandalorians some episodes. 

3022
02:28:16,300 --> 02:28:18,700
We mentioned, if you want to 
stay immersed, the entire black 

3023
02:28:18,700 --> 02:28:21,900
Fire series, aegon the Unworthy 
and daeron the good bittersteel 

3024
02:28:21,900 --> 02:28:23,500
Daemon blackfyre. 
Lots of blood. 

3025
02:28:23,500 --> 02:28:25,700
We have multiple bloodraven 
episodes are all very relevant. 

3026
02:28:25,700 --> 02:28:29,400
Here comes up here and there and
knows, she's not directly 

3027
02:28:29,400 --> 02:28:31,700
involved in the war effort. 
Oh, so some more than others. 

3028
02:28:32,900 --> 02:28:34,500
Radio Westeros is episode of 
Melisandre. 

3029
02:28:34,500 --> 02:28:36,700
As I just mentioned a few 
minutes ago is a good example as

3030
02:28:36,700 --> 02:28:39,800
well and other things from this 
era. 

3031
02:28:40,200 --> 02:28:43,100
Some of the things that happened
before, like the Dare on the 

3032
02:28:43,100 --> 02:28:47,200
first or baelor, the Blessed 
lots of things we've got, you 

3033
02:28:47,300 --> 02:28:50,400
look at our back catalogue and 
you will probably find something

3034
02:28:50,400 --> 02:28:54,000
that tickles your fancy to 
further your Westeros immersion.

3035
02:28:55,400 --> 02:28:59,000
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3036
02:28:59,000 --> 02:29:02,900
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It adds a lot to our discussions

3037
02:29:02,900 --> 02:29:06,500
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3038
02:29:06,700 --> 02:29:13,900
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3039
02:29:13,900 --> 02:29:17,600
And when pickle juice crazy, I 
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3040
02:29:28,100 --> 02:29:31,500
Like to clip the lowest round 
content from each episode. 

3041
02:29:33,700 --> 02:29:35,300
That'll show him. 
Yep. 

3042
02:29:35,300 --> 02:29:37,300
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We like to we like to highlight 

3043
02:29:37,300 --> 02:29:39,300
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3044
02:29:39,400 --> 02:29:41,700
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3045
02:29:41,700 --> 02:29:43,400
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3046
02:29:43,400 --> 02:29:46,700
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3047
02:29:46,700 --> 02:29:50,000
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3048
02:29:50,008 --> 02:29:53,800
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all dressed up as green men. 

3049
02:29:53,800 --> 02:29:57,500
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Easy Being Green and the clips 

3050
02:29:57,500 --> 02:30:00,300
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3051
02:30:00,300 --> 02:30:01,700
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Cliff Notes. 

3052
02:30:02,000 --> 02:30:07,000
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3053
02:30:07,000 --> 02:30:08,400
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3054
02:30:08,400 --> 02:30:11,500
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3055
02:30:11,500 --> 02:30:14,000
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Shawn's. 

3056
02:30:14,000 --> 02:30:17,600
Gonna go get a cat. 
Ion is dancing Sean II need? 

3057
02:30:17,600 --> 02:30:19,200
Not on Instagram though. 
It's right. 

3058
02:30:19,200 --> 02:30:21,900
He's on Instagram. 
I am a seye taro. 

3059
02:30:21,900 --> 02:30:23,700
Yeah, Taro. 
Look at that. 

3060
02:30:23,700 --> 02:30:27,100
Can you then? 
Very still very relaxed. 

3061
02:30:27,800 --> 02:30:31,000
Yeah, thanks to our lowest 
salmon. 

3062
02:30:31,000 --> 02:30:34,300
Salmon Drogo. 
Both rescued a woman from an 

3063
02:30:34,300 --> 02:30:41,400
abusive. 
Incestuous family, rescued one 

3064
02:30:41,400 --> 02:30:42,900
rescue them. 
And put them into another one 

3065
02:30:42,900 --> 02:30:46,100
but wasn't incest. 
You still. 

3066
02:30:46,100 --> 02:30:48,300
That's again parallel, you're 
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3067
02:30:48,900 --> 02:30:51,600
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3072
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3073
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3074
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3075
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3076
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3080
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3081
02:31:27,300 --> 02:31:29,900
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3082
02:31:29,900 --> 02:31:33,400
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3083
02:31:33,400 --> 02:31:36,100
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3084
02:31:37,300 --> 02:31:39,400
You just had a birthday. 
He did, happy birthday been 

3085
02:31:39,400 --> 02:31:40,500
here. 
You know who else had a book 

3086
02:31:40,500 --> 02:31:44,200
birthday recently was Roy. 
Dotrice would have been 100 if 

3087
02:31:44,200 --> 02:31:46,700
we're he's still with us. 
So that's the only a few weeks 

3088
02:31:46,700 --> 02:31:47,900
ago. 
He would have turned 100. 

3089
02:31:47,900 --> 02:31:50,500
So I know not everyone, loves 
his rendition, I do. 

3090
02:31:50,500 --> 02:31:53,900
I'm a Roy Stan. 
I think he he is an important 

3091
02:31:53,900 --> 02:31:58,000
part of having Song of Ice and 
Fire to a lot of people and I 

3092
02:31:58,008 --> 02:31:59,900
should acknowledge his 
contributions, just depend the 

3093
02:31:59,900 --> 02:32:02,400
fact that it's really impressive
thing to do, all these voices, 

3094
02:32:02,400 --> 02:32:05,300
even if I love shouldn't have 
been doing all those voices 

3095
02:32:05,300 --> 02:32:08,200
cousin, a seven year old man, 
doing a young girls voices, but 

3096
02:32:08,200 --> 02:32:10,500
not really think you should be 
asking someone to do, even if 

3097
02:32:10,500 --> 02:32:14,600
I'm not a fan of him as voices. 
I am a fan of him is wisdom. 

3098
02:32:14,600 --> 02:32:17,400
Helene and Game of Thrones. 
I thought he was great in the 

3099
02:32:17,400 --> 02:32:19,500
show as well. 
He was originally, I think most 

3100
02:32:19,500 --> 02:32:21,300
of, you know, this already 
perhaps but he was originally 

3101
02:32:21,300 --> 02:32:24,500
going to be maester pycelle 
instead of Julian Glover, but he

3102
02:32:24,500 --> 02:32:25,600
was ill. 
He got ill. 

3103
02:32:25,600 --> 02:32:27,700
So, Julian Glover came in to 
replace a man, which is fine. 

3104
02:32:27,700 --> 02:32:30,000
Julian Glover did a fantastic 
job and Julian Glover, that way 

3105
02:32:30,000 --> 02:32:33,200
was able to be both A Game of 
Thrones and Star Wars and Empire

3106
02:32:33,200 --> 02:32:35,100
Strikes Back. 
I mean, and our anniversary. 

3107
02:32:36,200 --> 02:32:38,800
I meant Star Wars it technically
it wasn't perfect back that he 

3108
02:32:38,800 --> 02:32:41,000
was in, but I meant to say 
Indiana Jones. 

3109
02:32:42,200 --> 02:32:43,900
He was in that also. 
So, that's an interesting 

3110
02:32:43,900 --> 02:32:46,300
Trifecta. 
Probably some other big names to

3111
02:32:46,300 --> 02:32:48,200
plus, he has a Game of Thrones 
theme, music lover. 

3112
02:32:48,200 --> 02:32:52,800
Yay, yeah. 
All right folks, we will see you

3113
02:32:52,800 --> 02:32:56,100
next week for mandalorians and 
black fires and Sneak preview in

3114
02:32:56,100 --> 02:32:57,800
two weeks. 
We'll be doing an episode on 

3115
02:32:57,800 --> 02:32:59,000
high guard. 
Yeah. 

3116
02:32:59,000 --> 02:33:01,800
Patrons voted on that one. 
Steve ahead in our schedule. 

3117
02:33:01,800 --> 02:33:06,700
There is that alright know that 
yet? 

3118
02:33:06,700 --> 02:33:09,300
Actually, yeah. 
Surprise for me. 

3119
02:33:09,400 --> 02:33:12,000
Technically, the pole doesn't 
end till tomorrow, but it would 

3120
02:33:12,000 --> 02:33:14,700
be crazy for highgarden to boost
poll. 

3121
02:33:14,700 --> 02:33:17,600
We're gonna see like, a bunch of
like, sunspear Martel fans come 

3122
02:33:17,600 --> 02:33:18,800
in. 
We like it's real. 

3123
02:33:19,500 --> 02:33:21,100
Yeah, it's better. 
If they knew that they were. 

3124
02:33:21,100 --> 02:33:22,500
Yeah, sunspear them second 
place. 

3125
02:33:22,500 --> 02:33:24,600
So, you know, you could actually
fans come on. 

3126
02:33:25,100 --> 02:33:32,300
There's no such thing as it was 
highgarden, but Yuri Pike and 

3127
02:33:32,300 --> 02:33:35,500
that's something else that lost.
It was more saying that they 

3128
02:33:35,500 --> 02:33:37,600
would come in and just vote for 
something else. 

3129
02:33:37,600 --> 02:33:39,200
Oh yeah, just to just to knock 
highgarden. 

3130
02:33:40,100 --> 02:33:43,900
Yeah, you're right cool. 
All right folks, you know what 

3131
02:33:43,908 --> 02:33:47,900
to do until next time Valar 
reread us.