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Throughout A Song of Ice and 
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prophecies as well as stories, 
usually quite ancient, that 

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serve as foreshadowing. 
So we have a couple of different

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ways of George letting us know 
what's going to happen and or 

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letting the characters know 
what's going to happen through a

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bit of mystery. 
On top of that, there's history 

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books, scholarly sources, and 
texts referring to some of those

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same prophecies or stories, and 
sometimes they contain different

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information. 
Some sources differ on which 

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prophesied outcomes are actually
good or evil or something else 

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altogether, something outside of
the good evil paradigm. 

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Even some sources wonder if what
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of years ago is actually true. 
It's fun and exciting and 

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mysterious and mystical, and 
there's a little bit of anxiety 

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behind it, too. 
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impossible to keep track of it 
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time. 
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Melisandre believe versus what 
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How does Brands knowledge and 
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Weirwood network stack up 
against that of Marwin or Macoro

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or Rhaegar or any of the other 
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Even the sources themselves 
don't have at all, right? 

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The Werewood network doesn't 
have all the answers, nor do the

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books in Ash High. 
Certainly no individual does. 

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The story of the last Hero 
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Night, the Children, the Night's
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that story. 
The story of Azora High mentions

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a great cold darkness. 
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stone. 
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heroes. 
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in that one, though. 
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character most focused on all 
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Daenerys exists, right? 
Danny, meanwhile, has been 

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trying to figure out some of 
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far she hasn't made a lot of 
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When she left the House of the 
Undying, she said, well, I came 

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for answers and now I have even 
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And, and us too. 
But she has seen and heard a lot

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along the way for us to 
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And given we have more 
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to come to more conclusions than
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And now in her case, it's 
dreams, the House of the Undying

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from people. 
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what Bran has seen or what 
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Rhaegar or Bloodraven, or Aries 
the First who is very bookish 

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and interested in prophecies, or
Old Nan. 

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And it's not just what they 
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know. 
George isn't giving these 

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characters precise, detailed 
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They just know things that they 
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true, and they may not be right.
Also, Sam has read a lot of 

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books and he hasn't actually 
told us what's in some of those 

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books he's read. 
It hasn't been a part of his 

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POV's, and now that he's at the 
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lot more of that, you might 
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And Maester Eamonn, another 
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comes at it from a supernatural 
angle, being Targaryen himself, 

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he spent a lot of his life 
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And throughout the whole thing, 
we have the disparate ways this 

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knowledge is circulated or 
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These characters I've just 
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at some conclave to discuss it 
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They can't really. 
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We can put all these scraps and 
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All the relevant lore from 
recently to all the way back, as

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well as far as A Song of Ice and
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So this episode is a collection 
of all we know about all the 

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prophecies and relevant ancient 
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Which stories refer to the 
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Which prophecies refer to 
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Do any refer to both? 
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each prophecy, each text, 
they're all different in ways 

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that George has spiced with 
realistic information handling 

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it. 
Just we're going to try to get 

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at every source we have. 
Again, no one has all the 

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answers. 
No one is even particularly 

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close to having all the answers.
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not even be and all the answers.
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conceived it that way. 
I think even the way he imagines

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it, there are some things that 
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Even he won't come up with the 
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intends for it to be mysterious.
So why would he come up with 

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something, right? 
It's even mysterious to him in 

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that sense. 
Now, some people, meaning some 

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characters, have their heads 
buried deep in prophecy while 

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also having their heads buried 
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They know a lot, but they're 
also ignorant or a lot or in 

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denial about a lot. 
Some people are partly 

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enlightened. 
They're on the right track, but 

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they're also wrong about things.
So this is something we will pay

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attention to to today in great 
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Not just which prophecies, 
dreams and books, which 

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characters have that knowledge 
and who they may discuss or help

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fill out the picture using each 
other's knowledge. 

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No one has read all the same 
books, right? 

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Or had the same dreams. 
In fact, they rarely do. 

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It's a large and very old world 
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On top of all this, as a way to 
frame everything wrong with the 

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subject, brings us back to the 
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The concept of the Song of Ice 
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It seems to somewhat serve as a 
catch all for these story 

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elements, these supernatural 
elements, these prophetic 

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elements, these foreshadowy 
elements, but also more than 

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that. 
There's also all, all kinds of 

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Song of Ice and Fire themes that
we'll touch on a little bit 

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because they help us understand 
the bigger picture and how 

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George uses the concept of ice 
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stories and, and all that. 
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takes, outright lies, honest 
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I mean, something true 1000 
years ago might not be true 

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today, right? 
And we're not talking about 1000

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years here. 
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that. 
Songs are a big part of this 

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episode as well, as I've said, 
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into the Song of Ice and Fire 
conceptually, as well as what it

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means within the confines of the
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Songs are very memorable, not 
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them, but because of the nature 
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a little bit of time on today as
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It helps explain why, after so, 
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remember these things. 
Songs contain stories, they 

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contain characters, they contain
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So we've got the Princess that 
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was promised as well, Azora 
High, the Last Hero, dragon 

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dreamers and the rebirth of 
Dragons, the comet, the Others, 

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the Long Night, Green Seers, and
Ice and Fire themes outside the 

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supernatural. 
All that and more on this 

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Our trivia question today, who 

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does Danny discuss the Song of 
Ice and Fire with? 

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The phrase is very rarely used 
in the books, but she does bring

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it up to talk to one person 
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Who is that? 
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The answer I will give you at 
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the confines of this episode. 
It will come up. 

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Let me read the sections that 
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After the little set up, we will
discuss what is the Song of Ice 

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and Fire. 
Then we will get into the Ice 

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and Fire prophecy timeline, a 
perspective of Ice and fire. 

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Then Azor Ahai and friends, the 
Great other, the last hero, the 

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Princess that was promised songs
and memory, Aegon's dream. 

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That's right, Aegon the 
Conqueror's dream that did come 

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from George, not just from House
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So that's involved here too. 
The Dragon Dreamer soundtrack, 

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then sheet music, then the three
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Question mark and an outro and 
we'll be done. 

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Let me also hit you all with a 
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We'll give you the results at 
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Those of you who are here live 
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The pole question is it's just a
simple yes or no answer. 

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When Danny sees that singular 
vision of her brother Rhaegar, 

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he plays his harp. 
The music lingers. 

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She hears the music in this 
vision, and even as the vision 

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fades, the music remains for a 
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It lingers. 
Will Danny ever hear that song 

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again, in a vision or otherwise?
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Weigh in and we'll give you the 
results at the end of the 

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episode, along with some other 
episodes that relate to this 

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one. 
If you want to stay immersed, 

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let's go. 
What is the Song of Ice and 

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Fire? 
The title of the series is A 

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Song of Ice and Fire, but we're 
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and Fire within the story 
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Only once though, as I as I 
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looked at similarly the A Song 
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of Ice and Fire. 
There's a difference there. 

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There's some nuance. 
Song is a fitting metaphor as it

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can blend ideas and themes and 
stories write songs are able to 

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weave a lot of different things 
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memorable, emotional, etcetera. 
It's a great way to represent so

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many plot lines while pointing 
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foreshadowed showdown. 
I don't want to say prophesied 

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climax because this story might 
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climax. 
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know yet. 
I I would guess no. 

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I guess there's a lot of 
climactic events in the in the 

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final and even before the final 
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The House of the Undying, of all
places, is where the Song of Ice

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and Fire is first stated out 
loud within the book books. 

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This vision doesn't indicate 
that the warlocks necessarily 

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have this information, but the 
magic of this place and the 

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shade of the evening brings it 
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Or what? 
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how this magic works. 
Either way, let's get into what 

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she sees. 
Here's Rhaegar and Elia quote. 

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The man had her brother's hair, 
but he was taller and his eyes 

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were a dark indigo rather than 
lilac. 

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Hagon. 
He said to a woman nursing a 

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newborn babe in a great wooden 
bed. 

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What better? 
Name for a king. 

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Will you make a song for him? 
The woman asked. 

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He has a song. 
The man replied. 

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He is the Prince that was 
promised, and his is the song of

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ice and fire. 
He looked up when he said it, 

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and his eyes met Danny's and it 
seemed as if he saw her standing

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there beyond the door. 
There must be one more. 

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He said, though whether he was 
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the bed, she could not say. 
The dragon has three heads. 

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He went to the window seat, 
picked up a harp, and ran his 

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fingers lightly over its silvery
strings. 

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Sweet sadness filled the room as
man and wife and babe faded like

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the morning mist, only the music
lingering behind to speed her on

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her way. 
Just in general, the use of the 

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word song here is curious. 
Why does Rhaegar say it like 

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that? 
Again, we don't have anything 

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else to compare it to. 
No one else uses the phrase 

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except Danny in reference to 
this moment. 

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She's like, what happened? 
What did he mean? 

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So she's basically asking the 
same question I'm asking right 

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now. 
What does that mean? 

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What is the Song of Ice and 
Fire? 

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Is it just a turn of a phrase 
'cause he's a musical guy and he

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perceives it musically, He 
writes songs for people. 

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He's holding his harp in there. 
It's a big part of his 

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character. 
Does he mean it like a story? 

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Like his is the Song of Ice and 
Fire, His is the story of ice 

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and fire. 
He is the prophesied individual.

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He is a child of destiny. 
Is that just how he just calls 

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that a song 'cause it's a it's a
similar metaphor, or is there 

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more to it? 
Is his song his destiny? 

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Is it like his whole story, this
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he believes has that destiny? 
Ilya asks if he would write a 

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song for this child, for this 
boy, this newborn. 

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Apparently that's something he 
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wouldn't ask that otherwise. 
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Rainey's, maybe for her, Ilya as
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people in his life, maybe his 
mother, you know. 

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So given that it's, it's tricky 
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here, not just because this is a
vision and not an actual thing 

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that Rhaegar definitely said. 
I I'm guessing he did. 

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I'm guessing Danny is seeing 
something that really happened. 

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But even that, we can't be 100% 
on that even though, can we? 

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And I'm not sure Rhaegar's 
answer here is, Nah, I'm not 

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writing a song for this kid 
because he's already got one. 

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So in that sense, it's not a 
metaphor. 

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He's literally referring to a 
song that he isn't going to 

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write for this kid because he 
already has a metaphorical song.

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So that's tricky, right? 
He's not going to write a 

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literal song because he has a 
metaphorical song. 

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Yeah. 
So that's. 

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You can understand why Danny's 
confused by this and why we're 

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confused by this and, and the 
idea that Rhaegar seems to be 

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looking at her or through the 
doorway or. 

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Yeah, that's the a creepy way or
intriguing way to conceive of 

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this is maybe Rhaegar was seeing
her when he when this really 

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happened. 
Like he was a dreamy guy. 

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Maybe he had dreams as well. 
And we know he read about 

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prophecy. 
We don't hear anything about 

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dreams or anything supernatural 
there with him, only 

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interpretations of it. 
But it's definitely possible 

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that he had some dreams. 
I mean, it's not uncommon for 

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Targaryens, right? 
So that would be something if 

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they're she's seeing him and you
know, 20 years prior he saw a 

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vision of her when he's saying 
there must be one more, he at 

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the time would have probably 
perceived that as his next 

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child, as the Visenya that's 
missing from the Rainey's Aegon 

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Visenya 3 headed combo that he's
referring to here. 

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So he may have seen a vision of 
Danny and thought, ah, that's my

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Visenya that we're going to have
next. 

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Danny, of course, has no idea 
about that. 

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But she can hear the 
conversation and she may 

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eventually put a piece that 
together. 

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She certainly understands some 
of this stuff from a very basic 

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level. 
She understands. 

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She knows who Aiken the 
Conqueror was. 

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She knows he had two sisters. 
She knows about their three 

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Dragons. 
So the only other time the 

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phrase the Song of Ice and Fire 
is used, as I said, is when 

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Danny brings it up and asks 
Jorah what it means. 

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And of course, Jorah has no idea
what that means. 

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He's like, I don't know what the
Song of Ice and Fire. 

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I mean, I've never heard that 
song. 

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He does help her verify, though,
that the person in the dream is 

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Rhaegar. 
She wasn't sure when she tells 

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him about the harp with silver 
strings. 

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Jorah's like, damn, yeah, that's
that's pretty conclusive there. 

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He did have a harp like that. 
And Danny never knew that, never

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saw that. 
She never met Rhaegar. 

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So Jorah's got to be a little 
spooked by that because it's so 

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accurate. 
But he but neither of them know 

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what else to make of it beyond 
that. 

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And the phrase the dragon has 
three heads. 

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There must be one more. 
That's a huge statement. 

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Like we're going to have to 
cover that separately in this 

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episode, mind you. 
But we'll come. 

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So we'll come back to that. 
But it's very curious, like is 

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that part of what he read, you 
know, the three heads thing is 

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that or is that something he 
dreamed also? 

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So yeah, that's why we'll come 
back to it. 

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So I think the Song of Ice and 
Fire is Rhaegar's interpretation

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of the destiny of the Prince 
that was promised. 

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Now, of course, he identified 
the wrong figure. 

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He first thought it was himself.
So did Amon, by the way, Maestro

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Amon. 
Then he thought it was his own 

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son. 
And, well, we don't know what he

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thought at the end. 
Like, we know what he was saying

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in this dream, but he didn't die
right after that dream. 

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He died, what, a year later, 
nine months later. 

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So there's time for him to 
rethink some things. 

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We don't know what he thought, 
you know, at the end there, but 

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we know we we know this and it's
it's a big deal. 

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So we can see obvious themes 
with certain characters and 

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especially with supernatural 
elements. 

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The book begins with the return 
of the others. 

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The first book that is in the 
snow and ice with and ends with 

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the return of the Dragons born 
on a pyre. 

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So we got ice and fire 
bookending Game of Thrones book 

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one right there. 
And of course, both of these 

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events evolve quite a few 
deaths. 

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Danny also has those dreams of 
her ancestors pushing her 

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towards her destiny. 
That's in book one, that's in 

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Game of Thrones. 
When she's in her fever dream. 

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She's had her complications with
pregnancy and all that. 

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And after the the Miriam Mazdu's
ritual so much later though, we 

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learned that actually a lot of 
her ancestors had dragon dreams 

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not like hers exactly because 
she's the actual Mother of 

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Dragons, the one who actually 
fulfills the prophecy. 

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Whereas a lot of her ancestors 
were people who had dreams of 

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Dragons returning or vague 
things to do with Dragons. 

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Some of them may have thought 
they were the 1. 

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Some of them may have perceived 
that they were dreaming over 

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someone else. 
Either way, dragon dreams are 

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not uncommon up and down the 
family tree. 

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And a few of her ancestors were 
like famous dreamers like 

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Danny's a dreamer explicitly. 
Like that's a name that all the 

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Targaryens know and they know 
why. 

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I mean, she's the reason they 
all exist today, because without

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her they'd have died in the 
Doom. 

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So the dreams about bringing 
back the Dragons may be 

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purposeful. 
They may be designed, they may 

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be implanted glass, candles, 
other means for the purpose of 

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stopping the others. 
You, you know who the you know 

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who the savior of the world is? 
Well, you got to make sure the 

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savior of the world knows that 
they're the savior of the world.

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They have to be convinced to do 
all those things or else 

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everyone's going to die. 
Danny doesn't know she's Azora. 

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Hi. 
Danny doesn't know she's the 

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Princess that was promised, and 
will she accept it if she does 

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learn that? 
That's not exactly the purpose 

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of this episode, but it's a 
great question to ask. 

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Meanwhile, Bran has dreams too 
after his fall, right? 

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These dreams are mostly of 
what's to come, but they're all 

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so vague. 
He's also told ancient tales by 

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Old Nan after he wakes back up. 
It's more important then to kind

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of put all that together, what's
happening in his dreams and how 

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that relates to what Old Nan is 
saying. 

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So this isn't prophecy when Old 
Man is telling it. 

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This is more straight up 
literary foreshadowing. 

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But the stories are so ancient 
and old, they kind of function 

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like a prophecy because they're 
not straightforward like a 

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prophecy. 
There's some language that's 

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inexact. 
There's the likelihood of the 

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corruption of the language over 
8000 or 6000 years of stories 

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probably changed a little bit, 
if not a lot after all that 

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time. 
So it's we know that Bran is 

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explicitly told by the three 
eyed crow. 

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This is why you have to live. 
This is blah blah blah, because 

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winter is coming. 
We need you for that. 

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That may be something like 
what's going on in the 

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background with Danny. 
Different forces, different 

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elements, an individual or two 
pushing her towards her destiny 

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via prophecy, via vision, via 
ancient text. 

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All the above and more. 
And even though I just described

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A Game of Thrones the way I did,
it's really A Clash of Kings 

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where the supernatural elements 
really take off. 

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They're set up in a Game of 
Thrones, but they really, but 

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they really flourish and become 
fuller in A Clash of Kings. 

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It's it's the supernatural 
elements book. 

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It's it starts with the comet. 
It's when we get truly 

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introduced to red priests, 
shadow babies, skin changers. 

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There's no prophecy in the first
book. 

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There's the there's 
foreshadowing, right? 

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There's Old Nan's stories and 
there's some other things, but 

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there's no prophecies until book
2. 

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The House of the Undying is in 
book 2 and that's where Danny 

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gets her vision that leads to 
this, her talking about the Song

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of Ice and Fire. 
So, so much of this is a clash 

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of kings. 
George starts filling in the 

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back story of these returns, 
Like why did the Dragons come 

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back? 
Why are the others back? 

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It isn't just here they are now 
we start to learn what led to 

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that and all the back story 
behind all of it. 

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We had heard about the Long 
Night in The Last Hero, but not 

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Lightbringer, not Azorahai, not 
Nisa Nisa, not the Prince that 

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was Promised, not the 
significance of the Comet, not 

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Melisandre, not Quaithe, Right? 
All these things come after Book

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1. 
So given what we said about 

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music and memory, which we'll 
come back to a little more, it's

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quite telling that George made 
Rhaegar such a key figure here, 

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a musician, A songwriter, and a 
good one, someone very much 

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known for his music. 
It's pretty much impossible to 

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in for an in world character to 
think of Rhaegar and be ignorant

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of his musicianship. 
That's just something that's 

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like very attached to his 
identity. 

450
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,120
So here's Danny ruminating on 
what she saw in the House of the

451
00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:54,720
Undying, which included hearing 
his song. 

452
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:59,720
Danny could not let it go. 
His is the song of Ice and Fire,

453
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,760
my brother said. 
I'm certain it was my brother, 

454
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,520
not Viserys. 
Rhaegar. 

455
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,520
He had a harp with silver 
strings, Sir. 

456
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:13,360
Jorah's frown deepened until his
eyebrows came together. 

457
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,960
Prince Rhaegar played such a 
harp. 

458
00:24:16,120 --> 00:24:17,800
He conceded. 
You saw him. 

459
00:24:18,120 --> 00:24:21,000
She nodded. 
There was a woman in a bed with 

460
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,840
a babe at her breast. 
My brother said the babe was the

461
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,720
Prince that was promised and 
told her to name him Aegon. 

462
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,360
So Danny has the seed of a 
connection to her brother with 

463
00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:34,960
regards to a destiny that she 
isn't quite clear on. 

464
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,360
Again, she doesn't know what he 
means by the Song of Ice and 

465
00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:38,360
Fire. 
She doesn't know what the Prince

466
00:24:38,360 --> 00:24:41,760
that Was Promised means. 
She could maybe guess that 

467
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:46,400
that's a prophetic individual, 
but she not only hasn't figured 

468
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,960
that out explicitly, she 
certainly hasn't connected it to

469
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,920
herself. 
And Rhaegar seemed awfully 

470
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,520
confident in this dream here, 
right? 

471
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,520
So it's got to really make her 
wonder what he was thinking. 

472
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,480
She's like, my brother was 
really confident about these 

473
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:58,960
things. 
What was he on about? 

474
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,800
What is he talking about? 
But she really, not only does 

475
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:07,160
she want to know because it's 
this big deal, but that's her 

476
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,640
brother that she never knew. 
She yearns to understand what he

477
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,960
was driven by. 
That's her family that she 

478
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,360
doesn't know or have much of A 
connection to at all. 

479
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,280
And it would be very meaningful,
even though it might be tragic 

480
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:23,080
at the same time, for her to 
find out that she's on a similar

481
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,840
path to her brother and is 
working on something that was 

482
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,160
important to him. 
And she will eventually realize 

483
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,400
probably that the Prince that 
was promised that Rhaegar kept 

484
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,080
expecting to come along was her 
all along. 

485
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,960
She's like, Oh my God, Rhaegar 
was looking for me, my brother 

486
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,160
was looking for me. 
She very likely will have that 

487
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,120
realization someday, you know? 
She's just not, hasn't gotten 

488
00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:48,920
that very far down this path 
yet. 

489
00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:51,400
A lot of the elements are there,
but she hasn't really put them 

490
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,480
together or thought about them a
whole lot explicitly though. 

491
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,720
She has thought about them 
somewhat, of course, but she the

492
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,080
problem is she just doesn't have
much knowledge of her, of her 

493
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,200
own family. 
Viserys didn't teach her very 

494
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,440
much. 
She was separated from House 

495
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,840
Targaryen very early, obviously 
never knew her parents, didn't 

496
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,160
get to read the books at 
Dragonstone right? 

497
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,400
Just is missing a lot of her 
heritage from not being raised 

498
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,160
in that in that way. 
So the only person she can ask 

499
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,640
is Jora, who Jora doesn't know 
anything right about this kind 

500
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,040
of thing. 
Quote. 

501
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,520
Prince Agon was Rhaegar's heir 
by Elia of Dorn. 

502
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,880
Sir, Jora said. 
But if he was this Prince that 

503
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,680
was promised, the promise was 
broken along with his skull when

504
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,800
the Lannisters dashed his head 
against a wall. 

505
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:40,400
I remember, Danny said sadly. 
They murdered Rhaegar's daughter

506
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,680
as well, the little Princess 
Rainey's. 

507
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,360
She was named like Aegon's 
sister. 

508
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:51,480
There was no Visenya, but he 
said the dragon has three heads.

509
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,560
What is the Song of Ice and 
Fire? 

510
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,560
And it's no song I've ever 
heard. 

511
00:26:57,120 --> 00:27:01,160
I went to the warlocks hoping 
for answers, but instead they've

512
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:05,160
left me with 100 new questions. 
Yeah, true, right. 

513
00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:08,360
Can't argue with that, Danny. 
We have a lot of the same 

514
00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:09,640
questions. 
So Joy. 

515
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:10,720
Yeah. 
He only knows the basics. 

516
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,480
He knows a few things about 
Rhaegar. 

517
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,840
He knows a few things about 
these murdered princelings. 

518
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,480
He knows who Elia was. 
He knows Rhaegar played a harp. 

519
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,680
Yeah, but he doesn't know 
anything about the supernatural 

520
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,280
stuff. 
Not a not a not a whit. 

521
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,560
She won't get that education to 
some degree. 

522
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,560
At some point, it's going to be 
interesting to see who she talks

523
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,520
to 1st. 
If Macoro gets there first and 

524
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,800
starts filling her head with Red
priest stuff, it'll be very 

525
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,160
biased, right? 
It'll be not quite like 

526
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,840
Melisandre, but it'll be along 
that line. 

527
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,760
It'll be along that range 
because it'll be all filtered 

528
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,040
through the beliefs of a red 
priest. 

529
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,880
Not all these, not taking all 
these other things into account.

530
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:53,040
They're going to a red priest is
going to dismiss the talk of the

531
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,000
Old Gods or dismiss the talk of 
the Seven. 

532
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,440
Well, the Seven have nothing to 
do with any of this. 

533
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,600
But you know what I'm saying 
here? 

534
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,240
That the problem with the red 
priests is they're not going to 

535
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,280
perceive anything outside of 
their worldview. 

536
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,440
They're going to make everything
fit their worldview within. 

537
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:12,360
Everything they see has to be 
framed within that dualistic 

538
00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:14,920
great other versus relore 
paradigm. 

539
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,400
And anything else is a demon. 
It's either of relore of the 

540
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,160
great other or it's just 
unnatural, you know, that's it. 

541
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:27,280
So that makes someone like him 
both interesting, compelling, 

542
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:31,320
but also highly flawed in a, in 
a way that we've sort of 

543
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,640
experienced through Melisandre. 
Obviously Mccoy's a different 

544
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,520
person, but there's got to be 
some similarities there. 

545
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,080
They're both red priests. 
What if Marwin gets there first?

546
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:44,640
He's a supernatural maester 
type, but he's a maester. 

547
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,000
The key is maester. 
He has a different understanding

548
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,480
of these things. 
He's not religious. 

549
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,360
He has an understanding of a lot
of religions rather than being 

550
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,760
focused on one particular 1. 
So it's super interesting. 

551
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,360
Who's going to talk to her 
first? 

552
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,600
Who might be able to undo some 
of the words? 

553
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,720
They might argue, right? 
I don't know. 

554
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,520
Marvin could counter some of 
what Mocoro says with hard 

555
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,080
facts. 
And Mocoro can summon fire and 

556
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,920
show fire readings and be like, 
look, I'm I've got real power 

557
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,200
here. 
This guy just has talk. 

558
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,960
So it's like, and that we've 
seen this play out with Stannis,

559
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:21,360
like Davos versus Melisandre or 
Melisandre versus any one of 

560
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,440
other Stannis's advisors. 
So then there she gets right 

561
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,080
back to having 100 questions. 
Again. 

562
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,800
She's like, you guys have 
brought me new information, but 

563
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,520
neither of you actually have 
answers. 

564
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,880
So on top of all this, that's 
Danny's only dream slash vision 

565
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,720
of radar. 
She has nothing else there other

566
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,240
than, you know, maybe Barristan 
has said a few things about him,

567
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,320
but they're not supernatural 
things. 

568
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:50,520
So for the rest of her arc, it's
mostly Quaif pushing her right 

569
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,360
through a glass candle, probably
urging her towards her destiny, 

570
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,880
while the warlocks who actually 
revealed so much of that destiny

571
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,000
through the House of the Undying
are actually coming at her for 

572
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,480
revenge. 
Or were until you're on like a 

573
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,960
proper pirate not only stole all
their stuff, but he stole their 

574
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,960
whole purpose, stole their 
revenge. 

575
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,480
So just a few quick lists that 
we're going to get deeper into 

576
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,720
as we move on here. 
Azor High now where we're Ashay 

577
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,000
and I have long been promonents 
of there being multiple Azora 

578
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,400
High figures, though to be fair,
no one actually interpreting any

579
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,000
of these prophecies says so. 
So we'll we'll include those 

580
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:28,640
lines of thinking as we move 
forward. 

581
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,200
The Prince and Princess that was
promised very linked to Azora 

582
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:33,400
High. 
As we'll explain. 

583
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,960
The last hero seems to be a 
different kind of figure, but 

584
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,680
there's a lot of overlap in the 
stories that are being told here

585
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,080
versus the prophecies. 
And of course, the dream of 

586
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,360
Aegon the Conqueror. 
Now that's again, George RR 

587
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,800
Martin brought that up. 
House of the Dragon did their 

588
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,040
own spin on it. 
So we have to be careful here. 

589
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,520
We should not be including the 
House of the Dragon elements, 

590
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,000
only the stuff George said and 
that's it, which is very 

591
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,600
limited. 
So we'll, we'll make sure to 

592
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,240
parse that when we get to it. 
And then there's a few other 

593
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,440
tidbits like the Stallion Who 
Mounts the World. 

594
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:09,080
That's another prophecy that's 
minor, but still plays into this

595
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:13,520
general pastiche of prophecies 
all sort of pointing to some of 

596
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,520
the same things. 
Well, lacking some of the 

597
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:21,080
elements of others. 
So most of these prophecies or 

598
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:27,360
stories end with some great cold
northern darkness. 

599
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,320
The Long night, Long Night, 2 
point O the New Long Night, 

600
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,400
whatever you want to call it. 
Some of these are books, some of

601
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,800
these are tales passed down, 
some of them are actual songs, 

602
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,320
some of them are histories. 
And there's histories in 

603
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,560
Westeros, there's histories all 
over the world of these 

604
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,080
alternate Azora High personas. 
Each of them have a different 

605
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,960
version of how the Long Night 
was stopped. 

606
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,880
The Rhinar example, very 
poignantly and very on topic 

607
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,800
here today, is said to have been
a song that stopped it. 

608
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:01,080
And there's other lots of 
different reasons given to us as

609
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,200
to how it started, like the 
cause of the original Long 

610
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,760
Night, which can be looked at as
potential foreshadowing for how 

611
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,120
the next one will happen. 
And of course we're given 

612
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,160
details about the others and 
their origin in some places, but

613
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,200
that's pretty limited. 
It isn't. 

614
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,440
It's mostly not prophetic. 
It's mostly from text and from 

615
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,480
the Werewood network. 
And occasionally these terms are

616
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,040
interchangeable. 
For example, Melisandre refers 

617
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,360
to the Prince that was promised 
Anasora High as the same thing. 

618
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,160
No one else does that. 
So that's an important detail. 

619
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,240
And of course, what isn't 
mentioned in some of these 

620
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,840
prophecies is can be almost as 
big as what is mentioned. 

621
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,200
And and that's, that's 
important. 

622
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,960
So Danny has some inkling of 
what's going on. 

623
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,000
She doesn't know it's her, but 
she knows that there's 

624
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,480
prophecies. 
She knows that there's things 

625
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:49,880
happening. 
She just hasn't, she hasn't 

626
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,760
gotten very deep into it yet. 
Melisandre obviously does too. 

627
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,400
And she's told a lot of people. 
She's spread the word. 

628
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,480
Not everyone believes her, but 
quite a few people do. 

629
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,440
And of course Stannis does. 
And that's a big one, because 

630
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,920
Stannis, Stannis's authority 
reaches a lot more people. 

631
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,360
But Aria nothing to do with any 
of this, right? 

632
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,680
Not yet. 
Sansa Nope. 

633
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,800
Theon Nah. 
Cersei. 

634
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:13,440
Jamie. 
No. 

635
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:14,880
No. 
Tyrion. 

636
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:15,960
Barely. 
Right. 

637
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,480
Tyrion hears Benaro preach in 
front of the Red Temple of 

638
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:20,600
Volantis. 
It's creeps him out. 

639
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,680
He sees Valerian glyphs, doom, 
darkness, the eye, the the eye 

640
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,360
of evil on Daenerys and all this
stuff. 

641
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,040
It creeps him out. 
Brand knows some things, but 

642
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,720
what he knows is entirely 
different than what Quaiste 

643
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,560
knows, for example. 
And through different means. 

644
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:37,880
If only they could get together 
and talk about it all. 

645
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,920
But of course, they can't. 
And Bran doesn't know anything 

646
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,040
about the Prince that was 
promised. 

647
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,440
He's never heard the term Azora 
High, right? 

648
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,840
So it's really neat seeing how 
these different pieces land in 

649
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,400
different places. 
So here's the thing. 

650
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,480
Well, let's do a quick list here
of people who have either seen 

651
00:33:54,480 --> 00:34:00,040
this, heard about it, read about
it, or been told about it first 

652
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,640
with the ones who have seen it 
and what I mean by seen it, I 

653
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,680
mean they've actually had 
visions, dreams, something 

654
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,440
supernatural. 
Aegon the Conqueror, the ghost 

655
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,560
of high heart. 
Dragon dreamers. 

656
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,800
We don't know how many there 
are, but dragon dreamers pretty 

657
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,600
exclusively see the rebirth of 
Dragons, among other things, but

658
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,560
that's a very much recurring 
thing. 

659
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,760
Maester Amon supposedly has had 
dreams too, although maybe he's 

660
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,400
more properly put in the 
scholarly category here. 

661
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,320
Rhaegar as well. 
We're not sure if he really had 

662
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:32,920
dreams. 
Maybe it's just the books and 

663
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,600
the songs and the stuff for him.
Maybe he had dreams. 

664
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,080
Danny definitely has had dreams.
How's the undying? 

665
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,760
She got Quaithe pushing her. 
She's got more people on her way

666
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,000
to her to tell her things, but 
she's still pretty new to it. 

667
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:45,760
Bloodraven. 
We don't know exactly what he 

668
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,400
knows, but he's a three eyed 
crow most likely and has been 

669
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,080
educating Bran on how to defeat 
the Others and what the Others 

670
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,440
are. 
He warned him through that first

671
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,679
coma dream long ago. 
So he probably knows quite a 

672
00:34:56,679 --> 00:35:01,520
bit, but even he may not know 
some of the Eastern stuff. 

673
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,640
He probably does. 
I mean, he lived with Sierra Sea

674
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,360
Star and they were studying 
magic and it's it's unlikely 

675
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,440
they never encountered the Azora
High Prince that was promised 

676
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,520
prophecy. 
But so far he hasn't mentioned 

677
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:12,600
it. 
So maybe one day he'll bring 

678
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:13,880
that up to Bran. 
And that could be really 

679
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,480
interesting if these things 
start to merge. 

680
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,880
He himself is sort of a child of
ice and fire, given his 

681
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,320
Blackwood Targaryen heritage. 
So he's a he's a little more, 

682
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,400
he's closer to the most 
knowledgeable potentially of all

683
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,520
these characters. 
And of course he's bringing Bran

684
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,640
along. 
And of course, that doesn't even

685
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,480
mention what else, what other 
information is contained in the 

686
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,200
Weirwood network learned by 
people before Blood Raven or 

687
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,960
children before Blood Raven, 
long before perhaps you're on as

688
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,720
someone we'll mention briefly in
this episode because maybe he 

689
00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:49,760
had one of those crow dreams. 
Maybe he was seen as a potential

690
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,040
green seer when he was young and
then they gave up on that idea. 

691
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,000
But he's also interesting 
because of all the characters 

692
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,000
that we're going to discuss 
today, throughout this episode, 

693
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,680
Euron's the only one who might 
look at the prophecies and go, I

694
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,080
want that to happen. 
I want the others to come. 

695
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,040
I want the wall to come down. 
I want the long night. 

696
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,040
Everyone else is like, I don't 
want that. 

697
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,360
We got to stop that. 
Or I hope that doesn't happen 

698
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,040
because some of them, some 
people are completely powerless 

699
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,160
to do anything about it. 
But Euron might be like, yeah, 

700
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,840
let's do that. 
He's the only one that's like 

701
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,240
that. 
I think Jojen is interesting 

702
00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:26,440
because he's had all these green
dreams, but they're more what's 

703
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,560
next for Bran type things. 
They're more focused on 

704
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,640
protecting Bran and and getting 
Bran to where he needs to be. 

705
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:38,640
Jojen hasn't really had explicit
dreams about the nature of the 

706
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,720
song of ice and fire or about 
the others or, or if he has, he 

707
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:44,160
hasn't said anything about it. 
Right. 

708
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,400
So he's like, he's kind of, I'm 
not sure you know what, what he 

709
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,320
actually knows and what what his
dreams have told him. 

710
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,520
His dreams are also very steep 
in symbolism, so they're not 

711
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:58,080
easy to interpret, which is 
different than what Danny saw in

712
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,680
the house, The Undying, which 
seemed pretty straightforward. 

713
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,000
It wasn't symbolic. 
There was Rhaegar, there was 

714
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,600
Elia, there was a baby. 
They had a conversation. 

715
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,240
He played his harp, she heard 
the music. 

716
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,720
That's not some mishmash dream 
of swirling visions and ideas. 

717
00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:16,960
That's like a watching ATV show.
It's very, very particular. 

718
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,760
Jojen's dreams were all, you 
know, the the sea will flood 

719
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:21,920
Winterfell. 
That turned out to be the 

720
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,720
Ironborn coming over the walls, 
right? 

721
00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:25,280
Very metaphorical, very 
symbolic. 

722
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,920
It's it's easy to get confused 
on that. 

723
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:30,800
Now. 
Patch face is another one that's

724
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,200
like, oh, he may know a lot, but
does he understand it? 

725
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,440
Does it mean anything to him? 
What will he, will his 

726
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,080
information ever be used by any 
other character? 

727
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,200
Well, we're going to do a patch 
face episode, so we'll get into 

728
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,360
deeper, deeper waters with him 
when we get there. 

729
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,680
Ha, pun intended. 
Jon Snow. 

730
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,880
Of course, Jon Snow is in an 
unusual category because he's 

731
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,000
had a few prophetic ish dreams 
that he doesn't quite understand

732
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,440
that that maybe we readers have 
a little bit of better 

733
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,360
understanding of. 
But they're also vague and 

734
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,080
swirly, like they're not images 
of what's going to happen. 

735
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,880
They're symbolic and and 
confusing and and hazy. 

736
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:13,000
But these he's seen the others. 
Well, Jon has it, but Sam has 

737
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:14,600
and some of his other brothers 
have. 

738
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,160
So he's like, Oh my God, that's 
real. 

739
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,800
So when Melisandre shows up and 
is like this great cold 

740
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,480
darkness, they're like, yeah, we
know. 

741
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,800
We've seen it. 
So pretty much the whole Night's

742
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,840
Watch is on board with this. 
They know. 

743
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,840
But as we know, they are not 
having any success convincing 

744
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,560
the rest of the world, and 
they've barely even tried at 

745
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,840
this point. 
John also has dreams that are 

746
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,320
kind of unrelated to this or 
tangentially related to it, like

747
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,200
his skin changing dreams or his 
identity dreams, his crypt 

748
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,080
dreams, which are, like I said, 
somewhat related. 

749
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,440
His identity definitely has 
something to do with whether 

750
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:53,000
he's an Azor Ha, if there's 
multiples or the last hero or an

751
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,720
last hero, if there's multiples 
there too. 

752
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,880
Now, as far as people who are 
aware of it but aren't in it, 

753
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,040
right, all of the above, they 
all know they're in it to some 

754
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,640
extent. 
Quaithe, Yeah, she might be 

755
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,600
someone who's had direct dreams 
of it, visions of it, but 

756
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,960
they're not, they don't 
associated with her, right? 

757
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,600
She they don't, they don't refer
to her. 

758
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:16,960
She's not the person in these 
dreams. 

759
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,280
She's seeing what's happening to
other people. 

760
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,760
I think Marwan kind of similar, 
but through a more scholarly 

761
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,320
approach. 
And what about Sorella, Right? 

762
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,800
Sorella Elaris. 
They all heard what Sam said. 

763
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,800
Sam told the whole story to 
them, including the faceless man

764
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,120
who was used to be known as Jack
and Agar. 

765
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,800
So that information could spread
to a lot of people. 

766
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,920
All red priests have believed 
this for a long time. 

767
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,560
It's part of their religion, 
that Lightbringer waking dragon 

768
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,760
from stone, Azorihai reborn 
again. 

769
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,040
They've known that for a long 
time. 

770
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,200
They're just waiting for it. 
It's like, yeah, Azorihai will 

771
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,360
come again. 
And during the confines of this 

772
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,280
story, it is happening. 
Melisson got the wrong person, 

773
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:56,600
but she's not wrong that it's 
happening. 

774
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:01,240
So I, I assume that pretty much 
every red priest on the planet 

775
00:40:01,240 --> 00:40:04,520
is aware of this at this point. 
They don't all know about Danny 

776
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,320
and or Stannis, but they're all 
educated in this prophecy. 

777
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,680
It's it's not something that 
only the higher level priests 

778
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:11,680
get. 
I'm pretty sure this is just 

779
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,880
basic. 
Red Priest, rather relorist 

780
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,160
belief stuff. 
Obviously Stannis has been 

781
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,800
indoctrinated somewhat. 
He doesn't necessarily believe 

782
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,760
everything she does, but he's 
seen too much to dismiss it, 

783
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,280
right? 
He's seen Melisandre's powers, 

784
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,880
he's seen her predict things 
that have come true, and now he 

785
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,600
has. 
He hasn't seen the others 

786
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,040
personally, but he believes that
they exist. 

787
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,280
He believes these Rangers that 
have seen them, so he's in on 

788
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:37,960
that too. 
He's very much involved. 

789
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,280
We have Aries the first quite a 
while back he told the court 

790
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,520
Dragons would return. 
He discovered in a book, 

791
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,560
convinced everyone it was it was
the truth. 

792
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:51,440
And that had a big effect on the
people, the Targaryens who came 

793
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,680
after him. 
Cher, a sea star maybe like we 

794
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,840
don't know what she knew or 
didn't know, but she was deeply 

795
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,480
involved in sorcery, in the 
occult. 

796
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:03,480
So it seems not unlikely. 
Duncan the Duncan the Small, and

797
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,000
of course Jenny of Old Stones. 
They were very close to the 

798
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:11,960
Ghost of High Heart, who told 
Jairus the Second and presumably

799
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:16,560
his wife Queen Shara that, well,
they weren't, they weren't King 

800
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,560
and Queen at the time, but 
whatever, they'd eventually come

801
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,600
King and Queen that the Princess
that was or the Prince that was 

802
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,080
promised would be born of their 
line and they believed it. 

803
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:28,520
So I presume Duncan and Jenny 
believed that too, especially 

804
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,440
because they were willing to 
step aside and let the line pass

805
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:37,040
through Aries and Raella, which 
is where the prophecy said, 

806
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,320
according to the woods, which 
would happen. 

807
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,560
Danny's the dreamer. 
We've talked about her 

808
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,040
separately and we wonder if she 
saw any of this stuff. 

809
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,200
You saw the doom. 
Maybe she saw this too, but we 

810
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:48,920
just don't know. 
It's, it's not told. 

811
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,080
Darren the drunkard was one of 
the most powerful dragon 

812
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,560
dreamers that we know of in 
terms of the intensity of his 

813
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,040
dreams. 
Or though maybe that's just it 

814
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,520
just looks that way because of 
how hard it was for him to 

815
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,240
handle them. 
Anyway, he is another candidate 

816
00:42:03,240 --> 00:42:04,440
for having seen some of these 
things. 

817
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,400
Barristan sell me what? 
Why am I mentioning Barristan 

818
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,880
sell me? 
Well, because Barristan sell me 

819
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,280
just casually mentions the 
Prince that was promised one 

820
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:14,840
day. 
He's like, yeah, he's the one 

821
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,360
that tells Danny that a woods 
witch told Harry and Cher that 

822
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,080
the Prince that was promised 
would be born of their line. 

823
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,920
But Barristan doesn't indicate 
he knows who the heck that is. 

824
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,760
He doesn't. 
It isn't followed up on. 

825
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,800
Barristan says the phrase the 
Prince that was promised, but he

826
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,920
doesn't indicate that he knows 
what that means, or if he does 

827
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,000
have some idea what it means, he
hasn't elaborated. 

828
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,040
Maybe Danny will ask him one 
day, but I think Bearson will 

829
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,000
probably be dead before before 
Danny even meets him again. 

830
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,840
Jon Snow at last as well. 
Not only has he had these 

831
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,320
dreams, not only is he deep in 
the thick of it because of who 

832
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,240
he is, but he's had a lot of 
conversations with Melisandre 

833
00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:52,560
about these things. 
Plus he's read some of the Jade 

834
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,840
Compendium. 
Let's not forget that's a easy 

835
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,040
thing to miss. 
Before Eamon departed the Wall, 

836
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:02,280
he told John, hey, I left the 
Jade Compendium in your quarters

837
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:03,960
with some pages marked. 
Go ahead and read that. 

838
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,040
He does. 
He doesn't say much about what 

839
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,960
he read, but he does say a 
little bit it has to do with The

840
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:10,920
Last Hero. 
So we'll get back to that. 

841
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,280
And the Last Hero is of course, 
really important here as well. 

842
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,960
Brandon, John Snow are the only 
ones who really qualify for 

843
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,080
that, but we'll see as we move 
forward. 

844
00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:24,600
Heisenfire prophecy timeline. 
So we have various prophecies 

845
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,240
all pointing to different 
aspects of what seems to be the 

846
00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:28,080
same event. 
Right. 

847
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:29,920
Some the long night come again. 
Yeah. 

848
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,800
The song of ice and fire the 
long night is or high the 

849
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,760
Prince. 
They all kind of indicate this 

850
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,840
one way or another. 
It's sometimes it's vague like 

851
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,240
some great cold darkness. 
Sometimes it's specific like the

852
00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:41,480
others are coming. 
So we could just call it the ice

853
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,400
and fire prophecy or we could 
call it the song of ice and 

854
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,240
fire. 
We're not quite sure if that's 

855
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:48,640
what George has in mind with 
that it it seems to fit it it it

856
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,920
could be a catch all phrase for 
all these prophecies. 

857
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,000
The Song of Ice and Fire is the 
the weaving of all these ideas 

858
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,800
together in song form and story 
form. 

859
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,280
And of course this the sources 
in world have a lot of detail on

860
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,040
The Long Night. 
A lot of that hasn't been given 

861
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:04,280
to us. 
Sam has read a lot of these 

862
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,520
books, but he hasn't shared 
through his POV what he's read. 

863
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:12,880
Melisandre says the books that 
claim Azora High will be born 

864
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,880
again, the ones that say When 
the Red Star Bleeds is those 

865
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,840
books are over 5000 years old 
but the information in them has 

866
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,040
to be even older assuming the 
timeline is correct because they

867
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:29,440
would have been first recorded 
during or after the first long 

868
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,400
night which was more than 5000 
years ago from what we know. 

869
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:37,320
So the was there even prophecies
for that for the first long 

870
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,920
night before it? 
That is something that might be 

871
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,200
in the books. 
If there were prophecies for the

872
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,800
first one, it would add 
credibility to prophecies for 

873
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,280
the second one. 
Even though there's this massive

874
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,920
time frame between them and 
Melisandre's religion, the red 

875
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,000
priest religion, the Reloris 
religion is rooted in this, 

876
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,280
their religion. 
It's, it's the basis that 

877
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,080
Azorihai will come again, that 
will be reborn again, that he 

878
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,400
will bear Lightbringer, that he 
will wake dragon from stone. 

879
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,640
This is intrinsic to their 
religion. 

880
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,840
It's the anchor, it's an 
anchoring piece for their whole 

881
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,040
belief system. 
It isn't just something that 

882
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,880
they added on to. 
They hey, here comes this and 

883
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,400
then and then then they fit it 
into their worldview. 

884
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,680
No, it's been in their worldview
for thousands of years. 

885
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,320
They they adopted it into their 
religion when they made their 

886
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,440
religion. 
This isn't something to add it 

887
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,400
on later. 
So that's a really big deal. 

888
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,120
And there's probably other 
religions around the world that 

889
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:36,040
incorporate some of this stuff. 
For example, in Yi T, it's not 

890
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,200
unlikely that some of their 
belief systems have to do with 

891
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,360
the Bloodstone Emperor and the 
blood betrayal and all that. 

892
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:46,440
They're something that had an 
impact on how they viewed 

893
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,600
everything. 
And religion in books have an 

894
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:53,040
obvious overlap here because a 
lot, most people who write 

895
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,320
books, especially in this world,
have some sort of religious 

896
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,720
view, some sort of religious 
filter that everything goes 

897
00:45:57,720 --> 00:46:00,800
through, or a heavy one like a 
Melisandre or a Mokoro. 

898
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:05,400
And obviously religious texts 
are books as well. 

899
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,840
And they can have supernatural 
information that's completely 

900
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,760
accurate. 
So something that's really, 

901
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,200
really old, right? 
On the other hand, Aegon the 

902
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,960
Conqueror's dream of some danger
from the North, which apparently

903
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,560
was specifically included the 
White Walkers. 

904
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,560
So he did actually see the White
Walkers, which I don't think any

905
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,880
other dragon dreamer has anyway,
that's only about 300 years old 

906
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,240
because that's, you know, how 
long ago Aegon lived. 

907
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,760
So we've got a huge span. 
These prophecies have been 

908
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:36,240
popping up anywhere from 8000 
years ago to during the books, 

909
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,200
right? 
A huge span of time 

910
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,480
consistently. 
Now, the book that Aries the 

911
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:45,480
first found that made him 
believe the Dragons would come 

912
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,720
about and it would come back. 
Actually, it might be multiple 

913
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:49,920
texts. 
He might have been convinced 

914
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,520
because he saw this corroborated
several places. 

915
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,440
We're told it was just one 
source, but that's second hand 

916
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,720
information so we don't actually
know that he read it roughly 90 

917
00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:00,280
years ago. 
We don't know when the book was 

918
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,240
actually written though. 
Like that book, that source 

919
00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:04,120
could be really ancient. 
Who knows? 

920
00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:07,600
The Ghost of High Heart's 
visions that refer to Eris and 

921
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,680
Rayela's line producing the 
Princess that was promised. 

922
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,880
Well, she said Prince. 
That's about 60 years ago, or at

923
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,160
least that's when she told them 
to Duncan, Jenny and Joe Harris 

924
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:18,480
and Sheriff. 
She may have had the visions 

925
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,800
long before that, but she passed
them on to her Targaryen 

926
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,640
compatriots at that time. 
She's another person. 

927
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,720
Nellis under doesn't know about 
Danny, neither does the ghost of

928
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:29,680
hierarchy seemingly, which is a 
little bit confusing to me. 

929
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:33,640
Like how did she get the gender 
wrong of the Prince that was 

930
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,760
promised right? 
Maybe, you know, maybe it's just

931
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,000
an that vague of a figure in 
their in their visions and they 

932
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,240
just assumed it was a man. 
And Rhaegar found a scroll that 

933
00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:45,160
said, it seems I must be a 
warrior. 

934
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,200
What what was that all about? 
It led him to the song of ice 

935
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,120
and fire, led him to the Prince 
that was promised prophecy. 

936
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,360
But it's pretty clear he was 
wrong. 

937
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:58,000
Danny is a warrior in the sense 
that she rides a dragon into 

938
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,440
battle, that she's willing to 
face those dangers. 

939
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,240
She would not shirk from 
something like that. 

940
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:06,200
But she's not a sword and shield
type warrior, which is what 

941
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,040
Rhaegar is saying here. 
Rhaegar's like, I got to learn 

942
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,680
how to use a sword and shield. 
I got to be a warrior. 

943
00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:13,600
That's not quite right, is it, 
Rhaegar? 

944
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,160
And that's the thing about 
Rhaegar that we don't get from 

945
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,080
any other character is we get, 
even though he's such a 

946
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:23,240
mysterious figure, we get a bit 
of a process from him as a 

947
00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:24,440
child. 
He thinks it's him. 

948
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,120
He does certain things, but he 
doesn't get stuck on that. 

949
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,760
When the evidence changes, he 
goes with it. 

950
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:34,560
He doesn't say, hey, no, I'm, 
I'm so egotistical that it has 

951
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,040
to be me. 
No, he's perfectly willing to 

952
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,080
say, OK, I was wrong. 
It's must be my son. 

953
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,560
Comet smoke and salt, all these 
other details that he thinks 

954
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,360
fit. 
And Maestro, he's sending 

955
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,240
letters to Maestro AIM and 
they're talking about it while 

956
00:48:47,240 --> 00:48:50,600
he's on the wall. 
So we see different ways of this

957
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,040
prophecy being interpreted. 
We see Rhaegar taking this 

958
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,320
warrior bit literally. 
And if we look at Danny and her 

959
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,320
as an example of what they what 
the prophecy actually refers to,

960
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,600
because the prophecy does seem 
to refer to Danny. 

961
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,640
So we can sort of look at that 
in reverse. 

962
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:08,040
If the prophecy refers to Danny,
then Danny must be what that 

963
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,840
prophecy is referring to. 
Like her qualities are what the 

964
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,000
prophecy refers to. 
So if it says she must be a 

965
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,600
warrior, well it's a warrior in 
the sense that she is a leader, 

966
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:23,400
a commander, not a down in the 
scrum type fighter, not a not a 

967
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,720
Jorah Morma, not a Barristan 
Selmy, more of a Nymeria type. 

968
00:49:28,240 --> 00:49:31,240
And then he moves on. 
What did we don't we also 

969
00:49:31,240 --> 00:49:33,120
missing some parts of Rhaegar's 
belief. 

970
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:37,440
We have this vision of of him 
talking to Elia, but what about?

971
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:41,960
But this is all prior to Lyanna.
So did his views change at all 

972
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:46,000
after he met her and after they 
started hooking up and he 

973
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:50,480
decided to have another kid? 
He saw that it was, he's 

974
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,200
assuming it would be Visenya or 
something. 

975
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,040
He never got to have 
confirmation of that. 

976
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,400
So there's a possibility that 
his he, he had another fork in 

977
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,120
the road and changed his mind 
because we saw that he has the 

978
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,280
ability to change his mind with 
new information. 

979
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,680
We have to keep that possibility
open in our minds. 

980
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:08,960
So that's makes him very 
interesting. 

981
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:10,640
He's he's very scholarly in his 
approach. 

982
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,160
He's willing to admit mistakes 
and and change what he believes.

983
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:15,880
Even if he never did get it 
right. 

984
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:22,080
He kept he may have eventually, 
if he got enough time, a 

985
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,280
perspective of ice and fire. 
Here's our next section. 

986
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:28,200
I want to this is a little bit 
off of the rest of the episode, 

987
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:32,520
but they relate very strongly. 
I think this phase of the 

988
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,000
episode will help enrich our 
overall understanding of how 

989
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:39,200
George uses prophecy as a theme,
because ice and fire as a theme 

990
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,640
is expressed differently 
throughout depending on 

991
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,120
character, circumstance, plot 
line, all sorts of things. 

992
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:50,240
So if we interpret, as I 
proposed earlier, The Song of 

993
00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:55,120
Ice and Fire as a amalgam of all
these different plot lines, 

994
00:50:55,280 --> 00:51:01,080
concepts, themes, all the events
coming together, maybe later we 

995
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,600
can expand on the concept a bit 
if we think of it that way. 

996
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,520
Sometimes they're portrayed as 
opposites, sometimes they're 

997
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,200
portrayed as similar or even 
mixed. 

998
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,000
It's something that George plays
with and explores in a number of

999
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,800
ways. 
Here's one example. 

1000
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:19,400
Drogo's funeral pyre quote. 
The third level of the platform 

1001
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:24,320
was woven of branches no thicker
than a finger and covered with 

1002
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:28,800
dry leaves and twigs. 
They laid them north to South, 

1003
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:34,280
from ice to fire, and piled them
high with soft cushions and 

1004
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,600
sleeping silks. 
The sun had begun to lower 

1005
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,760
toward the West by the time they
were done. 

1006
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,600
Danny called the Dothraki around
her. 

1007
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:47,640
Fewer than 100 were left. 
How many had Aegon started with,

1008
00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:50,680
she wondered. 
Only a few, 100 for him too, 

1009
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:54,200
actually, but his Dragons were 
grown and Valerian was maybe the

1010
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,120
biggest dragon ever, certainly 
the biggest we've ever heard of.

1011
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,960
So there are some differences, 
but there are important 

1012
00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:02,960
similarities. 
And that's a big deal comparing 

1013
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,800
Danny to Aegon, because if Aegon
started these dreams, united the

1014
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,160
Seven Kingdoms in order to 
prepare them for the others, 

1015
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,400
well, Danny is sort of the 
climax of that. 

1016
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,240
She's the one that the prophecy 
has been waiting for. 

1017
00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:17,360
The dream is referred to all the
time. 

1018
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,840
She's the one that is the reason
why there needed to be someone 

1019
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,720
like this, why this preparation 
was needed to prepare for her. 

1020
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,240
And of course, this pyre turned 
out to be a miracle, right? 

1021
00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:28,680
It caused the rebirth of the 
Dragons. 

1022
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:30,320
It wasn't something that Danny 
could replicate. 

1023
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,200
It wasn't something that there's
ingredients or a manual for. 

1024
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:38,440
But it happened, it worked, and 
the rest is history, right? 

1025
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,520
So again, Danny doesn't know 
what the Song of Ice and Fire 

1026
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,120
is. 
She's got, she's thinking about 

1027
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,000
it, but she doesn't have any 
real answers. 

1028
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,360
She doesn't really even have a 
source for this at this point. 

1029
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,240
But she doesn't also doesn't 
know her, her names or her 

1030
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,040
parallel, her egg on the 
conquer, who she constantly 

1031
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,160
compares herself to. 
She doesn't know about him 

1032
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,080
having dreams either. 
It hasn't even occurred to her. 

1033
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,240
It might be an interesting thing
for her to realize. 

1034
00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:03,320
Yeah, You know, a lot of my 
ancestors were Dragons, had 

1035
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,280
dreams, had visions. 
I'm not the only one having 

1036
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,200
those. 
That even that isn't something 

1037
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,480
she knows that it was common in 
her family. 

1038
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,960
It hasn't occurred to her that 
any of her ancestors, including 

1039
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,840
her own parents, her brother, 
could have been having visions 

1040
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,840
and dreams, too. 
But she has seen these themes 

1041
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:25,200
around ice and fire as a worldly
device, as a conceptual topic, 

1042
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:31,720
as a opposites or as a opposites
attract type situation, or a two

1043
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,480
different elements working 
together. 

1044
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:35,960
These are all things that can 
happen. 

1045
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:40,800
There's a range of possibilities
here that are all apparent just 

1046
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:44,240
through observable reality. 
Here's another example. 

1047
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:48,840
Jojen and Mira's oath to the 
King in the North through Bran 

1048
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:54,040
includes this language quote. 
You are only a boy, I know, but 

1049
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:58,480
you are our Prince as well. 
Our Lord's son and our King's 

1050
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,760
true heir. 
We have sworn you our faith by 

1051
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:06,240
earth and water, bronze and 
iron, ice and fire. 

1052
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,880
The risk is yours, Bran, as is 
the gift. 

1053
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,040
The choice should be yours too, 
I think. 

1054
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,720
It's very elemental, very 
naturalistic, very ancient, 

1055
00:54:17,720 --> 00:54:20,840
because that's the way the world
was a long time ago. 

1056
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,840
The earliest beliefs of the 
earliest humans were very rooted

1057
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:28,440
in nature and elements and 
observable things, observable 

1058
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:33,200
nature, observable reality. 
Here it's it's a complete cycle.

1059
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,760
Ice and fire, both ends of the 
spectrum. 

1060
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,640
Bronze, Iron, Earth, water, 
these are all connected, 

1061
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,880
circular, and sometimes 
competing. 

1062
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,320
Here's another place that it 
comes up with the same 

1063
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:50,000
characters quote. 
My Lord father told me about 

1064
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,960
mountains, but I never saw one 
till now. 

1065
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:57,520
I love them more than I can say.
Bran made a face at her. 

1066
00:54:58,120 --> 00:54:59,560
But you just said you hated 
them. 

1067
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:03,440
Why can't it be both? 
Mira reached up to pinch his 

1068
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,760
nose. 
Because they're different. 

1069
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,960
He insisted. 
Like night and day or ice and 

1070
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:13,040
fire. 
If ice can burn, said Jojen in 

1071
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:17,360
his solemn voice, then love and 
hate can mate. 

1072
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:22,280
Mountain or marsh it makes no 
matter the land is 1. 

1073
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,840
As usual, Jojen is very 
poignant. 

1074
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,400
He nails it. 
It's perfect. 

1075
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,320
Like, it's, yes, they're 
opposites. 

1076
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:34,760
But as Jojen says, opposites are
not always in opposition. 

1077
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:38,680
Opposites can work together. 
Love and hate can mate. 

1078
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,800
Mountain or marsh. 
Yeah. 

1079
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,560
Ice. 
There is no ice without fire. 

1080
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,600
They also kind of depend on each
other, right? 

1081
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:49,920
Or if they didn't, the world 
would be really screwed, right, 

1082
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:51,920
if we had too much ice or too 
much fire. 

1083
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,200
We need that balance. 
That's important. 

1084
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,680
So yeah, they can work together 
just as much as they can cancel 

1085
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,000
each other out. 
Opposites can attract. 

1086
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,880
There's a lot of ways to 
perceive this that isn't just 

1087
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:06,920
they're opposites, they're at 
war, they're an eternal no, 

1088
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,040
that's just not right. 
That is not how George sees it. 

1089
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,440
He's got the whole amalgam of 
options here. 

1090
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,240
So again, this doesn't directly 
relate to prophecies, but it 

1091
00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:16,960
does help us understand the 
vagaries. 

1092
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,720
The language that prophecy uses 
is tricky. 

1093
00:56:19,720 --> 00:56:23,760
It's hidden, it's sneaky, it has
multiple meanings, and we have 

1094
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,360
to understand how George views 
ice and fire within the context 

1095
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,680
of the story in order to at 
least sort of understand what 

1096
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:32,120
he's getting at with these 
prophecies. 

1097
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,480
And again, it comes back to 
songs and how great a device 

1098
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:39,080
that is for pulling all this 
together, for pulling it all 

1099
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:42,200
under one umbrella. 
Songs can make harmony from 

1100
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,840
discord. 
Opposite elements within a song 

1101
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,240
can function very well 
musically. 

1102
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:51,280
Here's a passage I find similar 
to some of that in some ways. 

1103
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,520
It's notably in the same book as
well. 

1104
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:57,560
It's Clash of Kings, but it's a 
completely different viewpoint 

1105
00:56:57,720 --> 00:57:02,720
as Jojen and Mira explained to 
Bran how opposites can work 

1106
00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:05,360
together. 
Melisandre doesn't see it that 

1107
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,920
way. 
Melisandre is a ice and fire are

1108
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,320
opposites type of person without
the other nuance. 

1109
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:15,480
Her entire religion is that way,
and that's an important aspect 

1110
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,360
of analyzing the prophecies 
through the Red priest and 

1111
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:23,120
through her quote. 
The truth is all around you, 

1112
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:27,400
plain to behold. 
The night is dark and full of 

1113
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:32,200
terrors, the day bright and 
beautiful and full of hope. 

1114
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:37,120
One is black, the other white. 
There is ice and there is fire. 

1115
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:44,000
Hate and love, bitter and sweet,
male and female, pain and 

1116
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:48,840
pleasure, winter and summer, 
evil and good. 

1117
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:55,360
She took a step toward him. 
Death and life everywhere. 

1118
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,880
Opposites everywhere. 
The war. 

1119
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,080
The war. 
Asked Davos. 

1120
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,760
The war? 
She affirmed. 

1121
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:13,400
There are two onionite not 7, 
not 1, not 100 or 1002. 

1122
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:18,200
Do you think I crossed half the 
world to put yet another vain 

1123
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:20,600
king on yet another empty 
throne? 

1124
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:25,280
The war has been waged since 
time began, and before it is 

1125
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:29,640
done all men must choose where 
they will stand. 

1126
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:36,240
On one side is Rellore, the Lord
of Light, the heart of Fire, the

1127
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:41,840
God of flame and shadow. 
Against him stands the Great 

1128
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:47,440
Other, whose name may not be 
spoken, the Lord of Darkness, 

1129
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:52,280
the soul of Ice, the God of 
night and terror. 

1130
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:57,760
Ours is not a choice between 
Baratheon and Lannister, between

1131
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:03,680
Greyjoy and Stark. 
It is death we choose, or life, 

1132
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:09,360
darkness or light. 
So she clearly doesn't agree. 

1133
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:15,400
She believes fire good, ice bad,
which is just obviously wrong, 

1134
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,680
right? 
I mean, we've just got to talk 

1135
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,680
about how balance is important 
and how that's something we kind

1136
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:25,560
of all understand. 
This is a human worldview 

1137
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:30,560
filtered through the concept of 
divine information. 

1138
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:35,320
She believes these things, so 
they must be right, but we can 

1139
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,320
demonstrably see that they're 
not only wrong, but how they've 

1140
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:41,320
LED her astray. 
We know she's wrong about a lot 

1141
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:45,120
of things, even though she has 
the basic right idea that, yeah,

1142
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:48,520
there is a big evil darkness 
coming, big evil cold, and it 

1143
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:50,800
does need to be defeated. 
She kind of understand where 

1144
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,520
she's coming from. 
The big evil darkness needs to 

1145
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:54,880
be defeated. 
And it's cold. 

1146
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:58,200
So it it really does seem to 
fulfill her religion. 

1147
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,640
But that's in part because her 
religion was based on what 

1148
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:04,280
happened in the first Long 
Night, and it's happening again.

1149
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:09,440
So cold became a problem then. 
But we can obviously see how 

1150
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:14,440
fire can be a problem if there's
too much, or how Benero says 

1151
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,600
there will be. 
The death will be defeated and 

1152
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:20,040
everyone will live forever. 
And there'll be a summer that 

1153
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,160
doesn't end. 
That sounds good to relore us, 

1154
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,640
but to the rest of us, it's 
like, that's not good. 

1155
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,240
That's real bad. 
Again, where's the balance? 

1156
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:30,880
Summer without winter, That's 
not good. 

1157
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:33,920
Darkness without light. 
There is no such thing. 

1158
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:35,680
That's right. 
Right. 

1159
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,240
If there's only light, then 
darkness doesn't even exist. 

1160
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,520
Yeah. 
So it's clearly she's gone too 

1161
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,880
far with it. 
Clearly the human element of 

1162
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:47,880
this is what I believe is at the
root of the problems here. 

1163
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,480
Why she's gotten it wrong 
Because hey, fire is good. 

1164
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,440
Well, let's go all the way. 
It's a very human thing to do, 

1165
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,640
at least when you're at least a 
common human thing to do. 

1166
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,360
If, if something is good, we'll 
do more of it. 

1167
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,960
But we all know that's the dose 
makes the poison, right? 

1168
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:04,800
You know, like a little bit of 
aspirin is great. 

1169
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:08,200
Too much aspirin will kill you. 
This is too much aspirin. 

1170
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,280
This is too much fire. 
A little bit of fire is great. 

1171
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:13,080
Keeps you warm you know you can 
cook your food. 

1172
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,560
Too much fire and you melt or 
you burn or you die or it burns 

1173
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,560
the crops or yeah, I mean, it's 
it's doesn't need a whole lot of

1174
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:21,920
explanation here why too much 
fire is bad, right. 

1175
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:26,680
So she and she completely fails 
to see how Jojen's perspective 

1176
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:29,880
there how ice and fire can mate 
if ice can burn fire can things 

1177
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,440
like that. 
She doesn't see that her her 

1178
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:36,040
song is out of key. 
If we're going to stick with 

1179
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:38,320
that metaphor, she's singing out
of tune here. 

1180
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:41,160
She thinks she's singing right. 
She's tone deaf. 

1181
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:42,720
Doesn't know it. 
She's like, I'm singing 

1182
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:44,720
beautifully. 
Her brother's like, yeah, you. 

1183
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:48,640
No, you're not. 
And I think Davos gets this. 

1184
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:53,680
He knows she's wrong, but he's 
doesn't have the words to 

1185
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:56,800
express it. 
He's like, I hear this song it's

1186
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,440
out of key. 
But not only do I not have the 

1187
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,280
right words to contradict you, 
this conversation's happening 

1188
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,880
while he's in prison and she's 
speaking through the jail door. 

1189
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,040
He's not exactly going to push 
too hard. 

1190
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:08,560
He's worried about what she 
might do to him. 

1191
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,160
So she's he's not exactly a 
neutral observer here. 

1192
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,640
He can't exactly say what he of 
course he's not neutral. 

1193
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,200
He can't really argue with her 
without putting himself in 

1194
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:17,920
danger. 
At least that's how he sees it. 

1195
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:22,000
And then later he gets a more 
full explanation. 

1196
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,640
He talks to Salador, son of all 
people, who gives him the full 

1197
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:27,560
story of Azora Hai, Nis and 
Nisa. 

1198
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:31,640
Which by the way, tells us that 
it's not an uncommon story. 

1199
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:34,600
Like Salador San isn't some 
scholar, right? 

1200
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:39,200
He's a lysine pirate. 
I mean, he's got money and his 

1201
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:40,440
family's been around for a 
while. 

1202
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,120
He's had money for a while, 
which sometimes implies a 

1203
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:47,960
greater access to education. 
But like studying ancient 

1204
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,320
prophecies education, I don't 
know. 

1205
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:54,600
So I tend to think that means 
it's a fairly well known story, 

1206
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:57,320
which makes sense because who 
spreads that story? 

1207
01:02:58,000 --> 01:02:59,760
The Red Priests, and there's 
tons of them. 

1208
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:06,960
Azor High and friends. 
The story of Azor High has a lot

1209
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:08,560
going on. 
We're not going to cover every 

1210
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:12,280
aspect of it, of course. 
Ultimately, it's the story of a 

1211
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:15,200
hero defeating the Darkness. 
That's the bottom line. 

1212
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:19,120
Whether they forge a sword, 
whether that's actually a sword,

1213
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:20,400
what the deal with Nisa. 
Nisa. 

1214
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:26,000
Setting all that aside, the end 
result is a hero defeating the 

1215
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:29,280
darkness. 
And what I want to draw our 

1216
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:32,240
attention to here is on what 
these different prophecies focus

1217
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:35,240
on. 
The Azora High prophecy as it 

1218
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:39,960
comes from Melisandre focuses on
Azora High, not on the danger. 

1219
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:43,640
The danger is mentioned, but 
there's like no detail to it. 

1220
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:46,880
It's just grand, cold darkness 
from the north. 

1221
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,880
Melisandre knows where it's 
emanating from. 

1222
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:51,880
She knows it's coming from the 
north of the Wall for some 

1223
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,320
reason. 
But if she has these other 

1224
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:57,160
details, she hasn't really 
shared them. 

1225
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:59,120
She never mentioned to the 
others before. 

1226
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,640
She's learned about them, but I 
think she didn't learn about 

1227
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:04,320
them until she got to the wall 
and talked to Rangers who had 

1228
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:08,600
actually seen them. 
Still, it's not like she's 

1229
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,760
surprised. 
It's easy for her to just fit 

1230
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:15,280
this into her worldview, which 
of course she has to do. 

1231
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:19,200
As someone who very steeped in a
dualistic religion, everything 

1232
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:21,480
has to fit that worldview. 
This is easy though. 

1233
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,400
She already calls it the Great 
Other, the enemy of relore 

1234
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:27,280
right? 
And the others fit that so well.

1235
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:31,840
Melisandre provides us with a 
good example of how the hero 

1236
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:37,160
will rise without giving us much
about the actual evil that this 

1237
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:38,760
hero will be facing. 
Quote. 

1238
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:43,640
He is the Lord's chosen, the 
warrior of fire. 

1239
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:47,280
I have seen him leading the 
fight against the dark. 

1240
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:52,880
I have seen it in the flames. 
The flames do not lie, else you 

1241
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:56,640
would not be here. 
It is written in prophecy as 

1242
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:59,840
well. 
When the red * bleeds and the 

1243
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:06,400
darkness gathers, Azorahai shall
be born again amidst smoke and 

1244
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:09,480
salt, to wake Dragons out of 
stone. 

1245
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:14,320
She saw it in the flames. 
I wonder what exactly she saw. 

1246
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:18,080
John, in a quote we'll read 
later, pictures himself armored 

1247
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:21,760
in black ice with a red sword 
burning his hand. 

1248
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:24,600
The red sword burning in his 
hand is pretty interesting 

1249
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:29,520
because light bringer from the 
tails is warm when it's just 

1250
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:32,160
sitting there, but when it goes 
into battle it bursts into flame

1251
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:36,120
and becomes super hot. 
So it's possible Melisandre saw 

1252
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:38,160
this and thought she was seeing 
Stannis. 

1253
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:43,920
The flames don't lie, she says, 
but she leaves out at least this

1254
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:47,160
time. 
She says at other times that her

1255
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:50,480
interpretations can be wrong, so
the flames don't lie, but she 

1256
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,320
can be wrong and that's the part
that matters. 

1257
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:55,200
If you can be wrong, then it's 
this. 

1258
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:56,720
The same as if the flames were 
lying. 

1259
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:58,000
This, the end result is the 
same. 

1260
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:02,200
There's a mistake made here. 
So she's kind of like using 

1261
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:05,000
mealy mouthed words to to 
indicate that everything is 

1262
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,640
accurate when actually there's a
very clear way this can go 

1263
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:09,080
wrong. 
And she admits it elsewhere. 

1264
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:12,400
So she knows the terms both 
Azorihai and the Prince that was

1265
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:13,680
promised. 
As I said earlier, she's the 

1266
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:16,160
only one who seems to use both 
those terms interchangeably. 

1267
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:19,320
She prefers Azorihai, but she 
refers to both. 

1268
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:21,200
And again, no one else does 
that. 

1269
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,640
The Prince that was promised in 
the Song of Ice and Fire, if we 

1270
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:29,000
can compare those again or put 
them up against each other 

1271
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:33,440
again, Mel says the it's at 
least 5000 years old, the books 

1272
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:35,880
that she's read. 
But other people are getting it 

1273
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,960
through dreams. 
And yeah, if you get it in a 

1274
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:43,240
dream, read it in a text that's 
or you've been indoctrinated in 

1275
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,600
that text as part of your 
religion, it's a very different 

1276
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:47,560
intake, right? 
It's something that you maybe 

1277
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:49,280
never heard about and now you're
learning about it through a 

1278
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:51,840
dream versus something. 
Melisandre, let's say she's 100 

1279
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:55,360
or 203 hundred, 400 years old. 
That's a lot of time to believe 

1280
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:58,680
what she's believed, right? 
They say can't teach an old dog 

1281
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:01,960
new tricks. 
Dogs don't live that long 

1282
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:08,040
compared to Melisandre. 
Her lifespan is already 20 times

1283
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:11,280
out of like, the oldest dog. 
So, yeah. 

1284
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:15,040
And religion is even stubborner 
than a lot of these other 

1285
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:17,880
things, especially when you've 
been steeped in it for just that

1286
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:19,720
long. 
It's it's it's unfathomable as 

1287
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:23,480
human beings, the stubbornness 
of a 400 year old. 

1288
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:26,560
You know, like, we all know 
older people who are stubborn. 

1289
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:28,320
We know younger people who are 
stubborn, right? 

1290
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,960
It's a it's a thing that older 
people are more stubborn. 

1291
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:32,400
I'm not sure that's actually 
true. 

1292
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:38,280
But if it is, Melisandre is the 
stubbornest and you know, 

1293
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:40,200
religious people tend to be 
pretty stubborn zealots, 

1294
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:42,640
especially not all religious 
people, but zealots, yes. 

1295
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:45,760
But that's just all validating 
for her because she can fit so 

1296
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:48,320
much of this very easily in her 
worldview because her religion 

1297
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:51,240
is based on so much of this. 
When she sees other signs, when 

1298
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:54,360
other people have information or
dreams or vision, she just it 

1299
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:56,160
all fits for her. 
She's like, Yep, well, you 

1300
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:58,480
should be having dreams of this 
because it's happening. 

1301
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:00,560
It doesn't. 
It makes sense that Relor would 

1302
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:04,520
send visions to other people 
because it's happening. 

1303
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:06,880
The times are happening. 
This is the time of trouble. 

1304
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:09,360
This is when the great other is 
is arriving. 

1305
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:11,920
So of course Relore is going to 
send out the warnings and, and 

1306
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:14,040
raise up his heroes and all 
that. 

1307
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:19,279
But let's review really quickly 
what actually we know about what

1308
01:08:19,279 --> 01:08:20,960
is said in the Azora High 
prophecy. 

1309
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:23,240
It's it's been said a couple of 
times. 

1310
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:26,520
There's a few small differences 
in these different tellings. 

1311
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:30,800
So we hear after a long summer 
when the stars bleed and the 

1312
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:33,279
cold breath of darkness falls 
heavy on the world. 

1313
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:37,439
We've also heard it's similarly 
like when the Red Star bleeds, 

1314
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:39,960
the darkness gathers. 
Pretty similar. 

1315
01:08:40,359 --> 01:08:42,600
Azora High will be born again 
amidst smoke and salt. 

1316
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:44,240
OK, that's come up a bunch of 
times. 

1317
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:46,960
The smoke and salt evidence is 
all over the place. 

1318
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:49,359
There's a lot of different 
theories on who Azora High is 

1319
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:52,040
based on that. 
Smoke and salt shall wake 

1320
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:54,920
Dragons from Stonewell. 
That's a big part of it. 

1321
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:58,720
But only one person's done that 
shall draw from the fire. 

1322
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:02,840
A burning sword light bringer. 
That's tricky because if it's a 

1323
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:06,439
sword or actual sword, no one's 
done that except for 

1324
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:11,200
Melisandre's, you know, pre 
arranged fire sword drawing that

1325
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:12,680
she just completely made all 
that up. 

1326
01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:17,640
Arguably Danny drew light 
bringer is if if they're Dragons

1327
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:20,520
from the funeral pyre. 
So there's a lot of ways to look

1328
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:24,760
at that one, too. 
Banero repeats the prophecy of 

1329
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:28,080
Azorihai to a crowd that as 
Tyrion is passing by. 

1330
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:30,960
He also says Azorihai was born 
from smoking salt. 

1331
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:35,080
He but he but he adds, Azorihai 
will make the world anew. 

1332
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:37,600
That's a lot bigger of a 
statement. 

1333
01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:42,600
And then it goes even farther. 
Banero says Azorihai will 

1334
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:46,399
triumph over darkness and will 
bring a summer that will never 

1335
01:09:46,399 --> 01:09:49,160
end again. 
I, I, we mentioned this a few 

1336
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:50,520
minutes ago. 
That's not good. 

1337
01:09:51,279 --> 01:09:54,600
And then Benaro explicitly says 
that Azorihai is Daenerys. 

1338
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:58,520
Then he says death itself will 
bend its knee. 

1339
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:02,600
All those who die fighting in 
Azorihai's cause will be reborn.

1340
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:04,920
That sounds like what the others
do. 

1341
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:09,400
That's not that's not good. 
Again, that's bad to have no 

1342
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:11,800
balance between life and death. 
If everyone lived forever, that 

1343
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:15,080
would be terrible. 
Die, reborn, fighting in 

1344
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:17,640
Azorihai's 'cause it sounds like
Are you zombies? 

1345
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:21,400
Are you or are you some sort of 
Melisandre type? 

1346
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:23,240
That's that's how she has an 
extended life? 

1347
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:24,800
I don't know. 
It doesn't sound good though. 

1348
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:28,720
Binero sees death as the domain 
of the Great Other, just like 

1349
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:33,160
Melisandre does. 
So what they're saying is Azor 

1350
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:37,280
High will defeat the devil. 
The Great Other is their devil. 

1351
01:10:37,480 --> 01:10:39,880
So it's sort of like this 
champion from heaven that will 

1352
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:43,560
defeat Satan. 
If you want to try to frame it 

1353
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:47,440
into a Christian context, that's
crazy. 

1354
01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:51,960
There's there's nothing in the 
Bible about, you know, Jesus 

1355
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:57,040
like defeating the devils, not 
just as a being, but all the 

1356
01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:59,440
evil in the world that exists 
because of the devil. 

1357
01:10:59,440 --> 01:11:03,800
Like people won't die anymore. 
If that was in the Bible, it 

1358
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:06,160
would be creepy. 
It'd be like, whoa, yeah. 

1359
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:08,080
I don't think God thinks that's 
good either. 

1360
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:12,000
Now, Bonero doesn't mention 
Lightbringer. 

1361
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:15,240
That doesn't necessarily mean a 
whole lot, but it's it's an 

1362
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:17,280
interesting thing to take note 
of. 

1363
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:20,360
Again, the whole idea of 
Lightbringer being mentioned. 

1364
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:23,280
As I brought this up earlier, 
John reads that section of the 

1365
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:26,760
Jay Compendium which tells him 
Lightbringer glows and is warm 

1366
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:29,520
to the touch, which is a clue 
that Stannis's Lightbringer is 

1367
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:31,400
not because it's not warm to the
touch. 

1368
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:36,040
It's also supposed to, like I 
said, become flaming hot when it

1369
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:37,920
enters battle. 
We haven't seen Stannis enter 

1370
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,240
battle, so well, John hasn't 
anyway. 

1371
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:43,000
This is why Eamon is skeptical 
as well. 

1372
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:46,760
But the whole thing could be a 
red herring, right? 

1373
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:50,840
If Lightbringer isn't a literal 
sword, then that none of that 

1374
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:55,800
matters, right? 
If it's a dragon, well yeah, 

1375
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:59,120
Dragons are warm to the touch as
well, though they don't glow and

1376
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:04,040
but they do become fiery in 
battle in a sense. 

1377
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:09,520
So this is a maybe a clever red 
herring on George's part because

1378
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:11,800
he has aim and maester aim. 
And who is so wise and 

1379
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:15,600
knowledgeable going down this 
track of the sword and how it's 

1380
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:19,400
not warm, but if it's not a 
sword at all, it doesn't matter.

1381
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:23,600
Now, when Melisandre looks in 
her fires, in her one chapter to

1382
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,440
see the enemy, she sees 
Bloodraven, she sees Bran, she 

1383
01:12:26,440 --> 01:12:28,640
sees other things, but she 
doesn't see the Others. 

1384
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:32,240
Though she does refer to the 
Others as the Great Others, Cold

1385
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:34,240
children, she still hasn't 
witnessed them. 

1386
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:38,560
She sees a wooden face, corpse 
white, 1000 red eyes. 

1387
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:39,320
Yeah. 
The Bloodraven. 

1388
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:42,360
That's Bran and Bloodraven 
beside him, a boy with a wolf's 

1389
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:44,080
face. 
And she asks, was this the 

1390
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:45,760
enemy? 
No, it's not. 

1391
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:47,600
We know it's Bloodraven and 
Bran. 

1392
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:50,600
They're also trying to stop the 
they're they're allies here. 

1393
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:54,200
They're both trying to stop what
Melisandre wants to stop. 

1394
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:58,200
Melisandre has maybe framed it 
improperly as to what the enemy 

1395
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:01,400
is, what the great darkness is. 
But she's you know, she's on the

1396
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:02,960
right track and so are blood 
Raven and Bran. 

1397
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:04,920
So they're so yeah, she should 
see them as allies. 

1398
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:09,120
And this is just proof how how 
wrong she is that she sees these

1399
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:11,600
potential allies. 
These seem these the enemy of my

1400
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,000
enemy is my friend type 
circumstance at worst. 

1401
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:17,120
But she hasn't actually seen the
great other. 

1402
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:19,320
She hasn't actually seen Azora 
high either. 

1403
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:24,720
She doesn't ever see blue, which
if she was seeing the others or 

1404
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:27,240
something like that, she would 
see the blue eyes or something 

1405
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:28,160
like that. 
Nothing. 

1406
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:30,640
In her chapters, the word blue 
doesn't even really appear, 

1407
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:33,240
except for when she's perceiving
Deep Lake. 

1408
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:37,400
She envisions the fires of 
Hardhome going out because of 

1409
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:41,280
the deep cold and the shambling 
dead, but again, no others. 

1410
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:45,680
Just the cold so great that 
extinguishes the fires of the 

1411
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:48,000
earth at Hardhome, which is 
pretty damn intense. 

1412
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:51,880
But again, no others. 
And here's another piece of 

1413
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:54,840
personal bias, which I think 
isn't even a red priest thing, 

1414
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:59,360
although it might be. 
She thinks that dreams are an 

1415
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:02,480
opening for the Great Other to 
whisper to people, to get in 

1416
01:14:02,480 --> 01:14:07,880
your head. 
By the same token, other people 

1417
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:14,360
dream of the Others, or of Azor 
High, or of true visions, Things

1418
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:17,360
that really will happen. 
How does Melisandre view that? 

1419
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:21,960
What would Melisandre say to the
Ghost of High Heart? 

1420
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:24,280
Would she? 
How could she accept this into 

1421
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:26,280
her world? 
Just like these are visions from

1422
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:27,240
the Great Other. 
Yeah. 

1423
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:29,560
But these are just completely 
accurate mundane visions. 

1424
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:32,920
Yeah. 
Ghost of High Heart predicted 

1425
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:36,520
through a vision that Riveron 
would come under assault. 

1426
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:39,920
Is that really the whisperings 
of the Great Other or just 

1427
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:43,200
accurate information? 
There's nothing evil about that.

1428
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:46,760
I don't think so. 
If she gets to a point where 

1429
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:49,960
something just it's too hard for
her to fit in her worldview, 

1430
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:51,800
then maybe that'll cause her to 
think a little bit. 

1431
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:54,920
But for now, everything just 
very easily fits in her 

1432
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:56,840
worldview. 
She's doesn't have to work very 

1433
01:14:56,840 --> 01:15:00,080
hard to say these others are the
children of the great other. 

1434
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:02,920
That's fitting. 
You know, he's a God of darkness

1435
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:05,520
and death. 
These are beings of darkness and

1436
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:07,640
death. 
It fits so well. 

1437
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:12,200
And as we've said, though, she's
we've been saying for years, 

1438
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:14,400
it's going to be interesting 
when she learns about Danny, if 

1439
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:15,920
she ever does. 
Maybe she'll die before that 

1440
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:19,080
happens, but I assume she will. 
So Danny's the best candidate 

1441
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:21,680
for Azor High, but there's just 
no ice in her. 

1442
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:24,480
She's all fire. 
She doesn't have, she barely has

1443
01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:27,320
any ice ancestry, just a little 
bit of Blackwood back there 

1444
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:31,320
several generations back. 
It's John who is the better 

1445
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:34,560
straightforward child of ice and
fire, given his parentage, 

1446
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:36,960
right? 
But again, this brings us back 

1447
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:39,120
to the notion that there's 
multiple figures. 

1448
01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:42,800
Just as the ancient myths tell 
us, there are champions from a 

1449
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:45,680
bunch of different cultures that
are equivalent to Azor High, 

1450
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:49,400
Herkoon, the Hero, Yin, Tar, 
Eldrick, Shadow Chaser. 

1451
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:53,000
So maybe there's multiple 
champions just like that. 

1452
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:56,480
Maybe John is one of them. 
Maybe John is the champion of 

1453
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:58,400
ice and Danny is a champion of 
fire. 

1454
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:01,320
Maybe, who knows? 
But it's an interesting detail. 

1455
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:04,400
We'll handle the Prince that was
promised separately from Azor 

1456
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:06,080
High, even though there's a lot 
of overlap. 

1457
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:07,920
And we'll, we'll include 
candidates here in a minute. 

1458
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:11,280
And let's do that. 
Let's, let's have a, a quick 

1459
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:12,560
break and then we'll get back to
it. 

1460
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:14,440
This is shaping up to be a nice 
lengthy episode. 

1461
01:16:14,440 --> 01:16:17,440
I hope you all are enjoying it. 
Let's see here. 

1462
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:22,800
I want to make you all aware 
that we are considering a group 

1463
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:28,360
trip, a, a journey to maybe 
Spain or England or Ireland or 

1464
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:30,880
somewhere in Europe to visit 
Game of Thrones filming 

1465
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:36,120
locations with a small group, 
maybe a dozen, maximum maybe 20.

1466
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:39,320
Travel with us. 
Go to one of these locations, 

1467
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:44,800
spend a week or so meeting each 
other and experiencing what's 

1468
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,680
probably a once in a lifetime 
opportunity to see some of these

1469
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:51,280
filming locations and to meet 
fellow super fans and hang out 

1470
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:53,880
with us. 
If enough people are interested,

1471
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:55,920
we're going to do that. 
It's through Geek Nation Tours. 

1472
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:58,240
So hit us up, let us know if 
you're interested. 

1473
01:16:58,240 --> 01:16:59,680
A few people have said so 
already. 

1474
01:16:59,920 --> 01:17:03,200
We need to get, you know, a a 
few dozen people or so 

1475
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:06,960
tentatively interested or just a
dozen or so actually confirmed, 

1476
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:09,840
and then we'll make it happen. 
If not, then so be it. 

1477
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:13,200
But we think that enough of you 
are interested and we would 

1478
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:15,320
think it would be really fun. 
We've traveled to these filming 

1479
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:16,840
locations before. 
It is so much fun. 

1480
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:19,200
Yeah, we've. 
Seen ones in Spain and in 

1481
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:23,280
Ireland so far, but there's 
obviously a lot more that we 

1482
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:26,120
haven't seen yet and more that 
are coming out because of course

1483
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:29,160
the House of the Dragon still 
has new locations and a Knight 

1484
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:31,840
of the Seven Kingdoms has a 
bunch of filming locations in 

1485
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:34,120
Ireland now. 
Very true. 

1486
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:39,040
And the rough timeline for this 
was April, May 2026. 

1487
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:43,520
So if that is a time frame that 
works for you but or doesn't, 

1488
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:46,160
then you can factor that in. 
But when you're deciding whether

1489
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:49,520
or not you want to try to 
participate, Kirstie Angel says 

1490
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:52,120
it makes sense to me that the 
Prince who was promised would be

1491
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:54,880
somewhat Royish or Dornish in 
origin because of the whole 

1492
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:57,360
principality thing. 
That's a good call. 

1493
01:17:57,360 --> 01:17:59,280
It's not the King who was 
promised, not the Queen who was 

1494
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:02,320
promised, not the Lord who was 
promised the Prince. 

1495
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:05,320
That is very interesting. 
That's probably part of why 

1496
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:07,960
Rhaegar thought it was him, 
because he was a Prince, you 

1497
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:09,760
know, at the time when he 
discovered this prophecy. 

1498
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:12,720
And then his son was a Prince, 
of course, when he changed his 

1499
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:14,960
mind about who it was. 
That's a good call. 

1500
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:16,840
There's not a lot of 
principalities and in fact, I 

1501
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:20,840
think Dorn is the only 
principality except for the 

1502
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:23,840
Rhinar culture, which, you know,
doesn't exist anymore, but it's 

1503
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:28,560
certainly existed for a very 
long time and may even predate 

1504
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:30,880
the first Azor high myths. 
If it if the Rhinar existed 

1505
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:32,960
before the long night, which I 
think they did because we're 

1506
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:37,880
told that the long night ended 
from the Rhinish histories when 

1507
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:44,080
the various gods of the river 
gathered together to sing a sing

1508
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:46,240
a secret song. 
More on that later. 

1509
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:48,280
But yeah, that's that's a good 
catch. 

1510
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:52,040
I didn't think of it thinking 
about the the, the rarity of the

1511
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:53,840
title Prince, especially in 
Essos. 

1512
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:56,040
Yeah, when we think of Essos, we
think mostly of, you know, the 

1513
01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:59,560
Free Cities and even the 
Freehold of Valyria didn't have 

1514
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:02,480
kings. 
So the Dothraki don't have 

1515
01:19:02,480 --> 01:19:03,040
kings. 
Yeah. 

1516
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:05,320
There's just not a lot of kings 
and Queens and Essos in general,

1517
01:19:05,480 --> 01:19:07,600
which means there's also not a 
lot of Princess and princesses. 

1518
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:09,200
So good catch. 
Good catch. 

1519
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:11,720
The language is important. 
Coming back to the Prince that 

1520
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:14,320
was promised, first we got to 
talk about the Great Other. 

1521
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:19,200
The interesting aspect, or an 
interesting aspect of the Velour

1522
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:22,440
version of the prophecy is that 
it includes the Great Other, 

1523
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:26,360
which is confusing because it's 
there's a lot of reason to think

1524
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:29,800
this has nothing to do with the 
others, even though it sounds so

1525
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:32,000
similar. 
And again, that's part of why 

1526
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:34,440
Melisandre can be so easily 
taken in by this. 

1527
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:38,360
What she calls the Great Other 
is also called the other Lord of

1528
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:41,360
Darkness, Soul of ice, God of 
Night and terror. 

1529
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:44,560
And yeah, that's, that's pretty 
distinct, right? 

1530
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:48,040
That does sound like the others,
but there's a huge distinct 

1531
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:52,720
difference that kind of kills 
the whole theory, which is that 

1532
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:57,240
Melisandre perceives the great 
other as having black eyes. 

1533
01:19:57,240 --> 01:19:59,120
Very specifically. 
George points this out. 

1534
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:01,400
Melisandre perceives the great 
others having black eyes. 

1535
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:04,000
That is just can't be right. 
They have to have blue eyes. 

1536
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:06,200
It's just every other has the 
blue eyes. 

1537
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:08,840
It's just such a thing. 
The whites have the blue eyes. 

1538
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:12,720
It's the most distinct trait 
they have I think by far. 

1539
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:15,480
Like the show changed everything
else about them except the blue 

1540
01:20:15,480 --> 01:20:19,280
eyes instead of making them 
fairy like and and graceful and 

1541
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:21,960
and scary in that since they're 
they're more just horrific and. 

1542
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:25,600
Scary from a more regular 
perspective. 

1543
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:28,720
Either way, the blue eyes are 
the most important detail and 

1544
01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:31,720
the great Other doesn't have 
that, so that's a huge deal to 

1545
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:33,600
me. 
And again, this is just how it 

1546
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:35,120
has to be for a dualistic 
religion. 

1547
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:38,480
Melisandre's making it fit into 
her worldview again. 

1548
01:20:38,480 --> 01:20:40,480
There's a storm God in the 
Drowned God, right? 

1549
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:44,840
Aaron does the same thing. 
Everything is the comet that's 

1550
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:47,240
the Drowned God, even though 
it's like, what sense does that 

1551
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:48,800
make? 
The comet came from the Drowned 

1552
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:51,640
God. 
What? 

1553
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:54,920
How did he get through the the 
storm God controls the sky. 

1554
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:57,880
How did Never mind. 
You don't have to argue with 

1555
01:20:57,880 --> 01:20:59,320
zealots. 
It's not going to work, right? 

1556
01:20:59,880 --> 01:21:01,600
But you see what I'm saying? 
It doesn't make a whole lot of 

1557
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:03,400
sense. 
Anything of significant 

1558
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:06,440
supernatural power, they have to
credit it to one of their two 

1559
01:21:06,440 --> 01:21:07,800
gods. 
There's only two. 

1560
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:11,400
If it's not, if it's doesn't 
come from the gods, it's 

1561
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:13,600
demonic, it's evil, it's 
unnatural. 

1562
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:15,560
Mokoro called the Drowned God a 
demon. 

1563
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:16,760
Victorian. 
He's like, hey, don't do that. 

1564
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:19,320
Watch your mouth. 
But Macro didn't back down, of 

1565
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:21,880
course. 
So again, I think it's very 

1566
01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:24,800
likely that the reason so much 
so much of this stuff were lines

1567
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:27,640
up from Melisandre and other red
priests is because their 

1568
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:30,320
religion was based on the first 
time this all happened in the 

1569
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:33,080
1st place. 
Just because the others aren't 

1570
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:36,240
mentioned in any relorist 
associated text that we know of,

1571
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:38,240
it doesn't mean that much to 
them. 

1572
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:41,880
They don't care about this blue 
eyes detail, but to us readers, 

1573
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:44,040
it's enormous. 
That's a big detail. 

1574
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:48,720
So yeah, I think that's a pretty
big deal. 

1575
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:51,360
And I wonder if these texts, 
what else they say, I wonder if 

1576
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:55,000
we ever will get more on that. 
And again, here's Melisandre's 

1577
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:57,720
bit on dreams. 
Let's come back to that briefly 

1578
01:21:57,720 --> 01:21:59,840
because I think it's enormous 
and it takes us to some 

1579
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:02,840
interesting places. 
She says, quote, sleep is a 

1580
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:05,560
little death, dreams, the 
whisperings of the great other. 

1581
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:07,040
So she doesn't trust dreams at 
all. 

1582
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:12,800
But Aegon the Conqueror had the 
same dream of the others coming,

1583
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:15,120
which we're not supposed to 
trust that Did the Great Other 

1584
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:17,640
tell Aegon the Conqueror exactly
what he was going to do? 

1585
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:22,360
Hey, man, I'm going to invade 
the Westeros in 300 years. 

1586
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:24,200
Get ready for me. 
What? 

1587
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:25,240
Yeah. 
That doesn't make sense, does 

1588
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:29,200
it? 
So lots of accurate dreams that 

1589
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:31,520
are helpful to humanity, or at 
least could be. 

1590
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:33,160
And Melisandre thinks they're 
bad. 

1591
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:38,800
So that's just a good to me. 
That's proof that Melisandre is 

1592
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:41,760
trying too hard to fit us all 
into her worldview, rather than 

1593
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:44,760
being open to possibilities that
are outside of what her religion

1594
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:47,480
has taught her, John Merkel 
says. 

1595
01:22:47,480 --> 01:22:50,520
I know we always focus on his 
black fire clues, but one of the

1596
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:53,720
first things Illyrio says to 
Danny is may the Lord of Light 

1597
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:56,920
shower you with blessings. 
Maybe he's a true believer and 

1598
01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:59,200
knows the prophecies or the Song
of Ice and fire, something like 

1599
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:02,280
that. 
Yeah, it's possible you wonder 

1600
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:06,720
what Illyrio believes. 
I'm skeptical of Varus's anti 

1601
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:11,400
magic stance because he it was 
so self-serving. 

1602
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:15,480
Like he really really needed to 
convince Tyrion that he was on 

1603
01:23:15,480 --> 01:23:18,040
their side. 
So what better way than to just 

1604
01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:21,640
say that Stannis. 
Everything about Stannis goes 

1605
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:24,840
against everything I stand for. 
If he uses black magic he's my 

1606
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:27,160
number one foe. 
That's a really convincing 

1607
01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:29,560
argument and it's exactly the 
virus needed to do is to 

1608
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:31,400
convince that he's I'm on your 
side. 

1609
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:32,920
I'm not going to turn you all 
in. 

1610
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:36,720
I'm not going to flip and help 
Stannis win to save my skin 

1611
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:40,840
because I hate Stannis. 
Does he? 

1612
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:43,000
I mean, yeah, I think he doesn't
want Stannis to rule. 

1613
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:47,320
Stannis would not keep Varus as 
master of whispers. 

1614
01:23:47,440 --> 01:23:50,320
He might kill it. 
And so that's more likely what 

1615
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:53,160
farce is worried about. 
The more mundane Stannis will 

1616
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:58,120
kill me rather than I oppose use
of black magic because of this 

1617
01:23:58,120 --> 01:24:00,600
ritual that was done to me, 
which may not have been done to 

1618
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:01,520
him. 
Like I don't. 

1619
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:06,400
I am not nearly a soul that 
Bars's story about the voice and

1620
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:08,000
the cutting and all that was 
accurate. 

1621
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:12,480
It could be. 
But I mean, we we'd be foolish 

1622
01:24:12,480 --> 01:24:15,360
to just believe anything Bars 
says without evidence, right? 

1623
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:19,920
Without corroborating evidence. 
So with that in mind, it's not 

1624
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:22,880
so far fetched that Illyrio 
could have a little bit of, you 

1625
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:24,800
know, supernatural in his 
background. 

1626
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:29,160
But I somewhat doubt it. 
But it's not dismissable, and 

1627
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:33,800
it's also not too late for him 
to maybe get mixed up with some 

1628
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:38,400
of this. 
Let's talk about the last hero. 

1629
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:42,320
Here's some old Nan for ya 
quote. 

1630
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:45,360
You know, this is a long quote 
and I'm not going to do my old 

1631
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:47,720
Nan voice. 
I'm just going to go ahead and 

1632
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:49,920
say that because of the length. 
All right? 

1633
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:56,160
Thousands and thousands of years
ago a winter fell that was cold 

1634
01:24:56,240 --> 01:25:00,160
and hard and endless. 
Beyond all memory of man. 

1635
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:05,160
There came a knight that lasted 
a generation, and kings shivered

1636
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:09,440
and died in their castles even 
as the swine herds in their 

1637
01:25:09,440 --> 01:25:12,800
hovels. 
Women smothered their children 

1638
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:17,480
rather than see them starve, and
cried and felt their tears 

1639
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:23,080
freeze on their cheeks. 
In that darkness the others came

1640
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:27,640
for the first time. 
They were cold things, dead 

1641
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:33,440
things that hated iron and fire 
and the touch of the sun and 

1642
01:25:33,440 --> 01:25:36,640
every creature with hot blood in
its veins. 

1643
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:42,000
They swept over holdfasts and 
cities and kingdoms, felled 

1644
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:47,960
heroes and armies by the score, 
riding pale dead horses and 

1645
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:53,000
leading hosts of the slain. 
All the swords of men could not 

1646
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:58,200
stay their advance, and even 
maidens and suckling babes found

1647
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:02,200
no pity in them. 
They haunted the maids through 

1648
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:07,360
the frozen forests and fed their
dead servants on the flesh of 

1649
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:12,440
human children. 
Now these were the days before 

1650
01:26:12,440 --> 01:26:17,040
the and dolls came, and long 
before the women fled across the

1651
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:21,360
narrow Sea from the cities of 
the Royne and the 100 kingdoms 

1652
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:26,560
of those times were the kingdoms
of the first men who had taken 

1653
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:28,680
those lands from the children of
the forests. 

1654
01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:33,440
Yet here and there in the 
fastness of the woods, the 

1655
01:26:33,440 --> 01:26:38,000
children still lived in their 
wooden cities and hollow hills, 

1656
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:41,200
and the faces in the trees kept 
watch. 

1657
01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:47,480
So as cold and death filled the 
earth, the last Hero determined 

1658
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:52,000
to seek out the children in the 
hopes that their ancient magics 

1659
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:56,000
could win back what the armies 
of men had lost. 

1660
01:26:56,760 --> 01:27:02,200
He set out into the dead lands 
with a sword, a horse, a dog, 

1661
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:07,040
and a dozen companions. 
For years he searched until he 

1662
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:10,800
despaired of ever finding the 
children of the forest in their 

1663
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:17,920
secret cities. 1 by 1 his 
friends died, and his horse and 

1664
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:24,320
finally even his dog and his 
sword froze so hard the blade 

1665
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:29,320
snapped when he tried to use it,
and the others smelled the hot 

1666
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:34,800
blood in him and came silent on 
his trail, stalking him with 

1667
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:38,640
packs of pale white spiders big 
as hounds. 

1668
01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:41,520
And then Lewin and Hodor 
interrupt the story. 

1669
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:44,760
It's the first example of 
something George does every once

1670
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:48,600
in a while. 
Interrupt lore with something 

1671
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:53,640
lore's mid sentence. 
It's particularly symbolic here 

1672
01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:57,080
because Lewin and Hodor 
interrupt the story. 

1673
01:27:57,080 --> 01:27:59,720
So Lewin is the representative 
of rationality. 

1674
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:02,400
So it's fitting that he ends the
supernatural tale. 

1675
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:05,480
He downplays it all. 
He's explored it and found it 

1676
01:28:05,480 --> 01:28:06,880
empty. 
He's wrong. 

1677
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:12,880
But yeah, anyway, Hodor is 
literally a man who will be one 

1678
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:17,120
of the last hero's companions. 
And of course, he opens the door

1679
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:19,680
here where and he opens the door
to the crypts when to get out. 

1680
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:23,040
And later he may hold the door 
to enable some kind of escape, 

1681
01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:25,800
something like that. 
This is obviously a tale, not 

1682
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:28,640
only the others, but of the Long
Night and the Last Hero. 

1683
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:33,320
And of course, what makes the 
Last Hero story unique in this 

1684
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:35,240
episode's context is it's not a 
prophecy. 

1685
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:38,520
It's an ancient story. 
But as I indicated at the 

1686
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:41,480
beginning, these two could be 
very similar things. 

1687
01:28:41,480 --> 01:28:45,080
Within the confines of a of a 
book, the last year, a story 

1688
01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:46,800
very much appears to be 
foreshadowing. 

1689
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:48,680
At the time, it looked like 
foreshadowing. 

1690
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:53,120
Now, it's almost certainly that 
because we're seeing it play out

1691
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:56,200
in Bran's story. 
It's told to Bran specifically, 

1692
01:28:56,200 --> 01:28:59,000
but he's the only POV character 
to interact with the Children of

1693
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:00,640
the Forest at this point that we
know. 

1694
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:02,800
Well, POV character, yes, maybe 
other characters have, maybe 

1695
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:04,880
Benjen has, but not POV 
characters. 

1696
01:29:05,240 --> 01:29:08,760
And he is definitely, as the 
story indicates, learning their 

1697
01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:12,240
ancient magics for the purpose 
of fighting the Others. 

1698
01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:16,440
His dog. 
It was summer, the horse maybe 

1699
01:29:16,440 --> 01:29:19,400
doesn't have a horse is not 12 
companions and I don't know if 

1700
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:22,280
his sword is going to snap. 
But there's a lot in common with

1701
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:24,640
this story that no one else is 
even close to having in common. 

1702
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:28,720
No other character in the story 
is John has some elements of the

1703
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:31,920
of the last hero in his story 
and some of the ones that Brand 

1704
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:35,200
doesn't. 
But John hasn't met this the 

1705
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:38,680
Children of the Forest. 
I seriously doubt John's sword 

1706
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:40,800
will snap. 
I mean it's Valyrian steel, so 

1707
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:42,360
that doesn't that doesn't really
line up either. 

1708
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:46,560
However, John is the only other 
one to dream of white pale 

1709
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:48,520
spiders. 
So let's come back to that. 

1710
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:54,160
When we talk more about John, 
the Last Hero, his purpose is 

1711
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:59,400
very similar to what we have 
honed in on about Azora High and

1712
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:01,760
the associated Azora High like 
figures. 

1713
01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:05,160
They're not so much they are 
warriors in a sense of the word,

1714
01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:10,880
but the most important task they
pull off to defeat the Darkness 

1715
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:15,760
is uniting people to fight the 
Darkness together. 

1716
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:21,880
As or as the Roynar example 
says, some figure, some being, 

1717
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:25,920
someone united all the different
gods of the river to to sing a 

1718
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:28,200
secret song that brought back 
the light. 

1719
01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:31,600
A uniter. 
That's what the Last Hero says 

1720
01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:34,200
in this example. 
In this quote, the Last Hero 

1721
01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:38,080
unites the Night's Watch and the
Children to defeat the Others in

1722
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:41,160
the Battle for the Dawn. 
The Children seem to already be 

1723
01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:42,720
doing that right this time 
around. 

1724
01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:45,760
Their training Bran, obviously, 
And it might be them who left 

1725
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:48,680
that stash of dragonglass at the
Fist. 

1726
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:52,160
Someone left it, or someone gave
it to someone to leave it. 

1727
01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:54,200
The source is almost certainly 
the Children. 

1728
01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:58,160
Who else is making who else has 
100 dragonglass blades sitting 

1729
01:30:58,160 --> 01:31:01,640
around right? 
And we're told that in ancient 

1730
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:04,880
times, the Children would supply
the First Men with Obsidian 

1731
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:07,680
weapons. 
So like everything about 

1732
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:10,080
Obsidian weapons tells us that 
they come from the children. 

1733
01:31:10,440 --> 01:31:12,080
We don't have people making 
them. 

1734
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:15,720
They could be. 
I mean, in the real world there 

1735
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:17,400
are people that made Obsidian 
weapons. 

1736
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:21,240
But in Westeros, the only source
of Obsidian weapons that we've 

1737
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:23,120
been given so far is the 
children. 

1738
01:31:24,040 --> 01:31:28,600
Sam read a different book about 
the last hero, which said he had

1739
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:34,000
a blade of dragon steel, which 
John and Sam are like Valyrian 

1740
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:37,480
steel and they're like, I guess 
that's that's the same 

1741
01:31:37,480 --> 01:31:40,920
conclusion I think most of us 
reach is that it's either a 

1742
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:44,240
different name for Valyrian 
steel or something very similar 

1743
01:31:44,240 --> 01:31:47,640
to Valyrian steel, like a 
similar method, similar, you 

1744
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:50,800
know, forging method using 
similar magics or what have you.

1745
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:53,040
It's maybe not the same, but it 
sounds awfully similar. 

1746
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:56,400
Again, you're on it comes up 
here just briefly. 

1747
01:31:57,400 --> 01:32:00,400
Not only did I say earlier that 
he'd be the one that would want 

1748
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:03,880
the darkness to come, he'd be 
like, all right, who's the 

1749
01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:05,160
Prince that was promised? 
Who's the Zorahai? 

1750
01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:09,520
I'm a kill that he would be 
like, who's this hero that's 

1751
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:12,240
going to mess up my plans? 
I want to end that person, 

1752
01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:15,000
whereas everybody else would 
want to like, either not believe

1753
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:18,480
it or support the savior. 
Like this person's going to save

1754
01:32:18,480 --> 01:32:22,680
mankind or Euron's like, it's 
better for me if the savior is 

1755
01:32:22,680 --> 01:32:26,360
killed. 
So Euron's a little bit of an 

1756
01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:28,720
exception to all this and is an 
interesting possibility to 

1757
01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:30,920
consider. 
Separately, on the other side of

1758
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:35,000
things, we have the Citadel. 
Even they weigh in here a little

1759
01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:39,840
bit, a little bit quote. 
Legend further holds that the 

1760
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:44,520
green seers could also delve 
into the past and see far into 

1761
01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:47,560
the future. 
But as all our learning has 

1762
01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:52,720
shown us, the higher mysteries 
that claim this power also claim

1763
01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:57,480
that their visions of the things
to come are unclear and often 

1764
01:32:57,480 --> 01:33:02,440
misleading, A useful thing to 
say when seeking to fool the 

1765
01:33:02,440 --> 01:33:06,840
unwary with fortune telling. 
I understand their cynicism. 

1766
01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:09,160
It's true. 
There are lots of fortune 

1767
01:33:09,160 --> 01:33:13,080
tellers in this world who are 
just scamming people in our 

1768
01:33:13,080 --> 01:33:14,520
world too, while we're at it, 
you know? 

1769
01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:17,360
But they're not quite right 
here, are they? 

1770
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:23,520
Yes, it's true. 
Foretelling can be very 

1771
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:27,120
inaccurate and misleading, but 
he's talking in this quote about

1772
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:32,880
the green seers version of that.
As we said earlier, Brand's 

1773
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:38,520
visions when he, for example, 
has that weirwood vision, that 

1774
01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:42,760
very big one in A Dance With 
Dragons, he's not seeing cymbals

1775
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:45,160
and haze. 
He's seeing very specific, 

1776
01:33:45,160 --> 01:33:47,400
particular images. 
He doesn't always know who he's 

1777
01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:54,880
seeing, but they're clear images
of people with faces and eyes 

1778
01:33:54,880 --> 01:34:01,000
and beards or not beards and 
clothing and trees around them. 

1779
01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:06,400
It's not like vague images of 
ice and fire or shadowy beings. 

1780
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:07,960
No, he's saying very specific 
things. 

1781
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:11,920
So yeah, this could be 
misleading, but it's not. 

1782
01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:17,440
It's not the same as the visions
we've seen from like flame 

1783
01:34:17,440 --> 01:34:19,600
reading or whatever. 
Those are very unspecific. 

1784
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:22,200
They're way more mysterious and 
harder to perceive what's 

1785
01:34:22,200 --> 01:34:23,720
actually being communicated 
there. 

1786
01:34:23,720 --> 01:34:25,400
It's way easier to get that 
wrong. 

1787
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:28,800
So this is something the masters
just don't seem to understand 

1788
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:33,760
that there is a a variety here. 
There are some vision type 

1789
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:38,040
dreams or whatever that are 
actually pretty clear, and many 

1790
01:34:38,040 --> 01:34:41,120
that are not, many that do fit 
this particular description, but

1791
01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:43,680
it seems like the Citadel's 
treating them all that way, and 

1792
01:34:43,680 --> 01:34:47,720
that's not right. 
Magical overlap is something 

1793
01:34:47,720 --> 01:34:50,760
we've talked about a lot, right?
But that doesn't mean 

1794
01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:53,680
everything's exactly the same, 
different. 

1795
01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:57,480
We have foretellings from a 
variety of magical origins, but 

1796
01:34:57,480 --> 01:34:59,120
they obviously don't all work 
the same. 

1797
01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:04,000
So what neither Brand sees nor 
is told about by Old Nan or 

1798
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:07,720
Jojen is basically anything to 
do with Dragons or fire. 

1799
01:35:07,720 --> 01:35:10,280
As much as he's seen, as much as
he's been told, as much as he's 

1800
01:35:10,280 --> 01:35:13,360
been educated on, this isn't 
really come up at all. 

1801
01:35:14,040 --> 01:35:17,880
In his coma dream, he did see 
Dragons in the shadow, in the 

1802
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:21,040
shadows of Ash Eye. 
But that's pretty vague, right? 

1803
01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:24,200
And that's it and nothing since.
So that's something that's 

1804
01:35:24,200 --> 01:35:27,280
waiting for a lot of these 
characters is for that the other

1805
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:30,080
shoe to drop for them to they've
been introduced to one part of 

1806
01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:32,800
this one aspect of all this. 
Eventually the rest will come 

1807
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:34,520
together. 
A lot of characters are going to

1808
01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:39,400
learn the other half or the 
other 2/3 or whatever, and what 

1809
01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:43,400
that will do to so many 
different characters, I got no 

1810
01:35:43,400 --> 01:35:45,760
idea, but it sounds very 
compelling. 

1811
01:35:48,360 --> 01:35:50,840
All right, now we're back to the
Prince slash Princess that was 

1812
01:35:50,840 --> 01:35:54,040
promised. 
Melisandre, as I said, uses this

1813
01:35:54,040 --> 01:35:55,920
term interchangeably to her. 
They don't, they don't seem to 

1814
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:57,640
be any different, which is a 
pretty big clue. 

1815
01:35:58,280 --> 01:36:03,440
Maester Eamonn refers to some of
the very same precise details. 

1816
01:36:04,040 --> 01:36:06,520
He says smoke and salt, the 
Prince that was promised a 

1817
01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:08,960
bleeding star. 
He doesn't actually say 

1818
01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:10,760
Azorihai. 
I don't know who want to read 

1819
01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:12,680
too much into that, given how 
much these other details are the

1820
01:36:12,680 --> 01:36:15,760
same and how ubiquitous a name 
Azorihai seems to be throughout 

1821
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:19,000
Essos. 
Still, it reminds us that 

1822
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:24,040
different prophecies, different 
magical origins, can produce the

1823
01:36:24,040 --> 01:36:27,040
same conclusions, or same 
prophecies that lead to the same

1824
01:36:27,040 --> 01:36:29,400
conclusions, or prophecies, 
different prophecies that lead 

1825
01:36:29,400 --> 01:36:30,640
to the same conclusions, I 
should say. 

1826
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:36,080
Now let's recall why this 
mistake was made via Prince 

1827
01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:39,240
Princess, IE why the gender 
error popped up in these 

1828
01:36:39,240 --> 01:36:41,800
translations. 
Eamon is very explicit. 

1829
01:36:41,800 --> 01:36:43,600
He says it's Barth that figured 
it out. 

1830
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:47,560
Septon Barth figured it out 
because the valerian word for 

1831
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:50,480
dragon is genderless. 
It's gender neutral. 

1832
01:36:51,080 --> 01:36:53,640
And if and the translation here 
is, you know, it's basically the

1833
01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:58,400
Prince is the Prince slash 
Princess is it's a draconic 

1834
01:36:59,240 --> 01:37:02,200
meaning here. 
So that's the subtext. 

1835
01:37:02,200 --> 01:37:03,800
Or if maybe it's not even 
subtext, maybe it's more 

1836
01:37:03,800 --> 01:37:10,960
explicit so that Barth perceived
as he's like, wait, the word for

1837
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:14,160
dragon is genderless. 
So this Prince that was promised

1838
01:37:14,160 --> 01:37:16,720
the translation is should be 
gender neutral also. 

1839
01:37:17,360 --> 01:37:19,400
But no one else went with that. 
Barth is like the only one who 

1840
01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:22,080
caught that. 
Again, I'm confused, not 

1841
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:25,400
confused as I'm curious how 
people who perceived this in a 

1842
01:37:25,400 --> 01:37:27,400
vision could get it wrong. 
It's one thing to read it in a 

1843
01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:31,800
text and just mistake gender 
neutral for male in a male 

1844
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:34,520
dominated world. 
That makes sense. 

1845
01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:37,000
You could see that playing out 
as realistic anyway. 

1846
01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:40,000
But yeah, like the ghost of high
heart or other people who see 

1847
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:42,680
that in a vision, like I wonder 
how they got the gender off. 

1848
01:37:42,680 --> 01:37:44,600
Maybe just because they were 
maybe they were predisposed to 

1849
01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:46,280
think it was a man and just went
with that. 

1850
01:37:46,280 --> 01:37:50,360
I don't know. 
So in world now, this is not 

1851
01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:55,040
what we think, but what 
characters in the story think. 

1852
01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:57,800
We have our own list of 
candidates for the Prince that 

1853
01:37:57,800 --> 01:38:00,480
was promised, or maybe we just 
have a list of 1 Danny. 

1854
01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:03,760
But in World there's a lot of 
candidates with what other 

1855
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:06,440
characters think are possible. 
Obviously the ghost of Hire 

1856
01:38:06,440 --> 01:38:08,960
predicted that it would be of 
the line of Eris and Rayella, 

1857
01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:12,200
and that was true, but the ghost
of Hart doesn't seem to know 

1858
01:38:12,200 --> 01:38:13,320
that. 
The ghost of Hire is like, oh, I

1859
01:38:13,320 --> 01:38:16,000
guess I got that wrong. 
At some point she might realize 

1860
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:18,320
actually I was right. 
There's Danny and that is the 

1861
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:20,040
child of Aries and Rayla, isn't 
it? 

1862
01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:25,320
Oh boy, I was not wrong. 
Rhaegar obviously has the 

1863
01:38:25,320 --> 01:38:28,480
influence of Amon and maybe 
Bloodraven because Bloodraven 

1864
01:38:28,480 --> 01:38:30,600
and Amon went to the wall at the
same time. 

1865
01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:34,920
Now Bloodraven vanished beyond 
the wall before Rhaegar was even

1866
01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:37,680
born. 
So this isn't necessarily a big 

1867
01:38:37,680 --> 01:38:40,640
connection, but I I think it's 
pretty strong. 

1868
01:38:40,640 --> 01:38:42,760
Indirectly, Bloodraven would 
have known things. 

1869
01:38:43,040 --> 01:38:46,040
He could have passed them on to 
Amon that Eamon would have then 

1870
01:38:46,200 --> 01:38:50,080
corresponded with Rhaegar about.
It's unlikely to me that Blood 

1871
01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:52,560
Raven and Eamon didn't at least 
have some conversations like 

1872
01:38:52,560 --> 01:38:54,440
this, but it's possible they 
didn't. 

1873
01:38:54,440 --> 01:38:57,000
Maybe they just didn't like each
other so they didn't chat much. 

1874
01:38:57,800 --> 01:39:03,360
Obviously Summer Hall happened, 
and that made Rhaegar think he 

1875
01:39:03,360 --> 01:39:07,080
was the Prince that was promised
because of the smoke and salt. 

1876
01:39:07,080 --> 01:39:10,200
There was smoke from the fires, 
salt from all the tears of all 

1877
01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:12,080
his family dying or so many of 
his family dying. 

1878
01:39:12,240 --> 01:39:14,160
And Eamon agreed with that 
interpretation. 

1879
01:39:14,160 --> 01:39:17,720
So just as I pointed out 
earlier, when Eamon believes 

1880
01:39:17,720 --> 01:39:20,480
that Lightbringer is a sword, 
it's an effective red herring 

1881
01:39:20,480 --> 01:39:22,120
because Eamon is someone we 
trust. 

1882
01:39:22,360 --> 01:39:25,920
He is, he's wise. 
Rhaegar would think the same 

1883
01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:27,400
thing. 
He would be like, Oh, my 

1884
01:39:28,200 --> 01:39:34,840
maesterly ancestor, who is very 
well regarded, also believes I'm

1885
01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:38,120
right about this prophecy. 
That's going to really give him 

1886
01:39:38,120 --> 01:39:39,600
a lot of confidence that he's 
right. 

1887
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:43,520
Like, if Maestra agrees with 
you, you feel good about your 

1888
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:45,120
point. 
You feel good about it. 

1889
01:39:45,120 --> 01:39:46,600
You're like, yeah, Maestra 
agrees with me. 

1890
01:39:46,920 --> 01:39:50,280
All right, I'm probably right. 
But Rhaegar did eventually 

1891
01:39:50,280 --> 01:39:52,720
change his mind, right? 
He started to believe that it 

1892
01:39:52,720 --> 01:39:57,680
was his son Aegon partly because
of there was a comet on the day 

1893
01:39:57,680 --> 01:39:59,320
he was born. 
That's a pretty big clue. 

1894
01:39:59,320 --> 01:40:03,120
And the first line is. 
When the red * bleeds and the 

1895
01:40:03,120 --> 01:40:05,640
darkness gathers, Azor High 
shall be resorted, blah blah 

1896
01:40:05,640 --> 01:40:08,320
blah. 
The smoke and salt part for 

1897
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:11,440
Rhaegar's son is Dragonstone. 
He was born on Dragonstone, 

1898
01:40:11,440 --> 01:40:14,120
which is a salty, smoky place. 
Right? 

1899
01:40:14,120 --> 01:40:16,960
The smoke from Dragons to the 
the volcanoes, active volcanoes,

1900
01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:20,360
is all, all sorts of smoke. 
And it's in the ocean, so 

1901
01:40:20,360 --> 01:40:24,080
there's salt everywhere. 
Stannis, Melisandre believed 

1902
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:26,160
this too, because there's also a
red comet wasn't on the day 

1903
01:40:26,160 --> 01:40:28,880
Stannis was born, of course, it 
was around for a little while. 

1904
01:40:29,120 --> 01:40:31,680
But Stannis is at Dragonstone. 
He wasn't born there, but he's 

1905
01:40:31,680 --> 01:40:33,880
there. 
He's got some Targaryen blood. 

1906
01:40:33,880 --> 01:40:35,840
So that helps. 
And there's this whole light 

1907
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:40,720
right bringer business that 
Melisandre sort of foisted on on

1908
01:40:40,720 --> 01:40:43,040
the world. 
And even she sorts of kind of 

1909
01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:45,760
believes in it because she's 
holding the ceremony making sort

1910
01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:50,240
of making it true by going 
through the the motions of what 

1911
01:40:50,240 --> 01:40:54,640
the texts say. 
Now, Jon Snow is where we get a 

1912
01:40:54,640 --> 01:40:57,920
little different. 
Nobody in the in Westeros or 

1913
01:40:57,920 --> 01:41:00,640
Essos that we know of thinks of 
Jon Snow as the Prince that was 

1914
01:41:00,640 --> 01:41:04,400
promised. 
The fandom, however, does see 

1915
01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:07,400
this possibility. 
So this is the exception to all 

1916
01:41:07,400 --> 01:41:10,040
these others. 
No one in the fandom really 

1917
01:41:10,040 --> 01:41:14,760
thinks Stannis or Aegon or 
Rhaegar are this Prince that was

1918
01:41:14,760 --> 01:41:17,320
promised, right? 
But Jon Snow, a lot of people 

1919
01:41:17,320 --> 01:41:19,920
are holding out on that one, 
especially if you subscribe to 

1920
01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:22,600
the multiple Azor high or 
multiple Prince that was 

1921
01:41:22,600 --> 01:41:26,880
promised theory, which is has 
some some momentum here. 

1922
01:41:27,720 --> 01:41:32,120
The smoke and salt for Jon Snow 
rests on his wounds, which seem 

1923
01:41:32,120 --> 01:41:36,120
to smoke when he's stabbed by 
Bowen Marsh, who is crying when 

1924
01:41:36,120 --> 01:41:39,440
he stabs Jon. 
We also have a bleeding star 

1925
01:41:39,720 --> 01:41:44,240
right there because Sir Patrick 
of Kings Mountain is killed by 

1926
01:41:44,240 --> 01:41:49,880
11 the giant and his heraldry is
a cloak with stars on it. 

1927
01:41:50,080 --> 01:41:52,240
And when 11 kills him, it's very
brutal. 

1928
01:41:52,240 --> 01:41:54,160
And this his cloak is blood 
soaked. 

1929
01:41:54,160 --> 01:41:58,800
So the the stars are bleeding. 
The problem with that theory is 

1930
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:02,120
George stuck that in as a as an 
Easter egg about football. 

1931
01:42:02,360 --> 01:42:05,560
Sir Patrick of Kings Mountain 
was a friend of his and the 

1932
01:42:05,560 --> 01:42:09,400
giant, as in the New York 
football giants are the joke 

1933
01:42:09,400 --> 01:42:10,840
here. 
So maybe that's just maybe 

1934
01:42:10,840 --> 01:42:13,360
George was able to combine them 
into one thing that all fit 

1935
01:42:13,360 --> 01:42:16,320
together. 
But there is this other meaning 

1936
01:42:16,320 --> 01:42:20,760
here that might be all of it. 
But even bigger, much bigger in 

1937
01:42:20,760 --> 01:42:24,040
my opinion, and I think a lot of
y'all would agree, is that when 

1938
01:42:24,040 --> 01:42:28,160
Melisandre is looking into the 
fire, she asks for lore, for a 

1939
01:42:28,160 --> 01:42:32,520
vision of Azure High. 
She sees Jon and she sees Snow, 

1940
01:42:33,320 --> 01:42:36,520
Capital S. 
So that's a big deal, right? 

1941
01:42:36,520 --> 01:42:39,160
She's looking for that and she 
says what she actually gets to 

1942
01:42:39,160 --> 01:42:41,600
see. 
It doesn't show her Daenerys, it

1943
01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:46,640
shows her Jon Snow and Snow. 
So that's a pretty big deal. 

1944
01:42:46,840 --> 01:42:50,600
John also is a son of Rhaegar 
and thus fulfills the the Ghost 

1945
01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:54,040
of High Hearts prophecy, which 
is that the son that the Prince 

1946
01:42:54,040 --> 01:42:56,360
that was promised would be born 
of the line of Arias and Raela. 

1947
01:42:56,360 --> 01:42:58,240
He is of the line of Arias and 
Raela. 

1948
01:42:58,240 --> 01:43:00,680
Even though he's a bastard or 
even if he isn't, it doesn't 

1949
01:43:00,680 --> 01:43:02,200
matter. 
Those are still his 

1950
01:43:02,200 --> 01:43:05,320
grandparents. 
John has a dream of fighting the

1951
01:43:05,320 --> 01:43:08,760
Others with a burning red sword.
That's a pretty well equipped 

1952
01:43:08,760 --> 01:43:13,120
dead person 'cause he's he 
dreams of himself as armored in 

1953
01:43:13,120 --> 01:43:16,400
black ice, which is a reference 
to him being dead, I think being

1954
01:43:16,400 --> 01:43:19,480
frozen, you know, having gone 
cold, his body gone cold. 

1955
01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:22,880
Something the brand also has a 
vision of John all warmth 

1956
01:43:22,880 --> 01:43:25,440
leaving his body. 
The burning red sword could be 

1957
01:43:25,440 --> 01:43:27,880
Lightbringer, right? 
We just got through saying how 

1958
01:43:28,200 --> 01:43:30,640
in battle Lightbringer burns red
hot. 

1959
01:43:30,760 --> 01:43:32,440
You know, it goes from warm to 
hot. 

1960
01:43:32,440 --> 01:43:34,320
But John isn't wielding 
Lightbringer. 

1961
01:43:34,320 --> 01:43:37,160
He's got Longclaw, right? 
I don't think Longclaw is going 

1962
01:43:37,600 --> 01:43:41,320
to burst into flame. 
I guess it could, but that 

1963
01:43:41,320 --> 01:43:43,120
doesn't seem right. 
It's also just not warm when 

1964
01:43:43,120 --> 01:43:44,120
it's sitting there. 
So I don't know. 

1965
01:43:44,120 --> 01:43:45,640
It doesn't seem to really line 
up. 

1966
01:43:46,520 --> 01:43:48,000
Regardless, the evidence is 
pretty strong. 

1967
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:50,320
Better than anybody else except 
Danny. 

1968
01:43:50,640 --> 01:43:54,040
Now, Danny, The evidence for 
Danny is pretty overwhelming. 

1969
01:43:54,320 --> 01:43:57,240
No one else makes dragon from 
Stone, Right? 

1970
01:43:57,240 --> 01:44:01,320
And when the Red Star bleeds, 
Yeah, like the the comet had 

1971
01:44:01,320 --> 01:44:06,080
just arrived. 
Danny is reborn amid smoking 

1972
01:44:06,080 --> 01:44:08,760
salt. 
The pyre drogue was pyre the 

1973
01:44:08,760 --> 01:44:12,760
tears that she was crying and 
other people as well like I 

1974
01:44:12,760 --> 01:44:15,840
suppose Miri Mazdur. 
But regardless, it all adds up 

1975
01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:18,160
there and and and Eamon says it 
himself. 

1976
01:44:18,160 --> 01:44:20,960
He's like the Dragons prove it. 
She woke Dragons from like no 

1977
01:44:20,960 --> 01:44:23,400
one else did that come on or 
what are we going to have 

1978
01:44:23,400 --> 01:44:26,240
multiple people bringing Dragons
back from extinction? 

1979
01:44:26,840 --> 01:44:31,160
Probably not now if we know. 
And Danny again is being pushed 

1980
01:44:31,160 --> 01:44:34,680
by Quaithe, influenced by Red 
priests indirectly. 

1981
01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:37,680
Perhaps soon enough she'll be 
influenced by Red priests very 

1982
01:44:37,680 --> 01:44:41,120
directly once Macoro arrives, 
assuming he does, Maester Eamon 

1983
01:44:41,120 --> 01:44:43,280
is no longer with us, so he 
can't influence her. 

1984
01:44:43,320 --> 01:44:47,720
He badly wanted to, so he tells 
Sam a lot of things that Sam may

1985
01:44:47,720 --> 01:44:50,080
in turn pass on to Daenerys if 
he ever gets a chance. 

1986
01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:52,320
And of course, Sam blurts out 
what he knows. 

1987
01:44:52,560 --> 01:44:54,400
I know I said this earlier, but 
it bears repeating. 

1988
01:44:54,840 --> 01:45:00,240
Sam blurts out what he knows to 
Marwin, Alaris, Lazy Leo Tyrell,

1989
01:45:00,840 --> 01:45:04,160
and Pate, who was jocking a 
guard in disguise as a faceless 

1990
01:45:04,160 --> 01:45:06,560
man. 
So who knows who, Who knows Who 

1991
01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:09,640
else knows this stuff now? 
Because Sam kind of told a lot 

1992
01:45:09,640 --> 01:45:10,920
of people. 
Plus everybody on the wall 

1993
01:45:10,920 --> 01:45:12,000
knows. 
Yeah, there's a lot of people 

1994
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:14,000
who know these things now. 
It's a matter of who believes it

1995
01:45:14,760 --> 01:45:15,880
now. 
The Prince that was promised of 

1996
01:45:15,880 --> 01:45:19,720
all the prophecies is the one we
most associate with Song because

1997
01:45:19,720 --> 01:45:23,000
of Rhaegar, not just because 
he's a musician and not just 

1998
01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:26,200
because Danny hears music when 
she sees a vision of him, which 

1999
01:45:26,360 --> 01:45:28,760
I'm pretty sure is unique. 
I don't think she hears music or

2000
01:45:28,760 --> 01:45:31,360
sees or perceives music in any 
other vision she has at any 

2001
01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:33,880
other time. 
Certainly there's things that 

2002
01:45:33,880 --> 01:45:37,040
resemble music, like the chorus 
of her, the chorus of her 

2003
01:45:37,040 --> 01:45:40,880
ancestors voices, which is may a
little bit of a musical 

2004
01:45:41,200 --> 01:45:45,600
reference there chorus, but it 
isn't explicitly music from an 

2005
01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:50,160
instrument, a harp. 
Very distinct, but also because 

2006
01:45:50,760 --> 01:45:54,560
Rhaegar is the only one to use 
the phrase the song of ice and 

2007
01:45:54,560 --> 01:45:58,760
fire, the song of ice and fire. 
So it's inextricably tied, at 

2008
01:45:58,760 --> 01:46:00,640
least at this point, because 
he's the only one who says that 

2009
01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:02,240
and Danny's the only one who 
thinks about it. 

2010
01:46:04,520 --> 01:46:09,200
Let's diverge a little bit again
to, as we did with the prior 

2011
01:46:09,200 --> 01:46:12,760
topic about themes of ice and 
fire, to talk about songs and 

2012
01:46:12,760 --> 01:46:15,480
memory from a little bit of a 
real world perspective. 

2013
01:46:16,160 --> 01:46:18,400
Songs are more memorable than 
spoken words. 

2014
01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:24,080
There's more to remember, right?
There isn't just the word and 

2015
01:46:24,080 --> 01:46:28,200
the meaning and the context. 
There's all those things in a 

2016
01:46:28,200 --> 01:46:35,400
song plus harmony, melody, 
timber, tone, rhythm, lots of 

2017
01:46:35,400 --> 01:46:37,000
different things. 
That's that's part of what makes

2018
01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:41,680
it more memorable. 
And emotions are sparked by 

2019
01:46:41,680 --> 01:46:43,680
music in ways that spoken words 
are not. 

2020
01:46:43,760 --> 01:46:46,880
Spoken words can also evoke 
emotions, but songs have a lot 

2021
01:46:46,880 --> 01:46:49,600
more power to do that because 
they have the same power of 

2022
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:53,120
spoken word plus the power of 
music, which is very strong for 

2023
01:46:53,120 --> 01:46:56,160
evoking emotion. 
And emotions are memorable. 

2024
01:46:56,800 --> 01:47:00,280
Emotions are what make things 
more memorable in the 1st place.

2025
01:47:00,280 --> 01:47:06,480
Just plain data is harder to 
remember than when you have 

2026
01:47:06,480 --> 01:47:09,960
something emotional to associate
with that it makes it again. 

2027
01:47:09,960 --> 01:47:13,320
That's just more to sink your 
brain into. 

2028
01:47:13,320 --> 01:47:17,560
As far as memory goes, there's 
multiple parts of your brain at 

2029
01:47:17,560 --> 01:47:22,600
work when it's a song versus 
when it's spoken word more more 

2030
01:47:22,600 --> 01:47:27,200
of your perception is engaged 
and thus that also makes it more

2031
01:47:27,200 --> 01:47:29,720
memorable. 
A neutral subject. 

2032
01:47:29,720 --> 01:47:32,280
This is this is research stuff, 
not just my opinion. 

2033
01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:37,400
A neutral subject with positive 
music leads to positive 

2034
01:47:37,400 --> 01:47:39,800
memories. 
All of you probably know this 

2035
01:47:39,800 --> 01:47:41,960
from watching TV and modern 
movies. 

2036
01:47:41,960 --> 01:47:49,200
Like music can make a kind of 
sad moment super sad, right? 

2037
01:47:49,680 --> 01:47:51,520
Like the you throw the right 
music in there and it's like, 

2038
01:47:51,520 --> 01:47:54,520
man, this is making me cry. 
Turn the scene off and the music

2039
01:47:54,520 --> 01:47:57,600
alone might make you weep. 
You know, like some music is 

2040
01:47:57,600 --> 01:48:01,200
just that strong. 
Maybe not for everybody, but for

2041
01:48:01,200 --> 01:48:05,280
a lot of people. 
And researchers have done things

2042
01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:09,800
like study brain activity, brain
waves while listening to music. 

2043
01:48:09,880 --> 01:48:14,880
It's a big area of study and 
some things I learned, some 

2044
01:48:14,880 --> 01:48:17,440
brief overview of, some things I
learned by doing a little bit of

2045
01:48:17,440 --> 01:48:21,000
research on this. 
Emotional intensity showed the 

2046
01:48:21,000 --> 01:48:25,200
highest correlation to what's 
called autobiographical salience

2047
01:48:25,200 --> 01:48:27,440
and familiarity. 
We don't need to get into what a

2048
01:48:27,440 --> 01:48:30,400
deck of that means. 
It's just self view, how you 

2049
01:48:30,400 --> 01:48:33,480
view yourself and things that 
are relevant to what you're 

2050
01:48:33,480 --> 01:48:37,720
hearing or engaging with. 
Three musical components are 

2051
01:48:37,720 --> 01:48:41,520
particularly important in 
memory, pulse strength, high 

2052
01:48:41,520 --> 01:48:45,920
harmonics, which is also called 
brightness, and a fluctuation in

2053
01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:49,840
the frequencies of of our 
hearing range, low to mid, low 

2054
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:51,720
to mid rather than high. 
So this is separate from 

2055
01:48:51,720 --> 01:48:55,080
brightness. 
Emotional intensity also 

2056
01:48:55,440 --> 01:48:59,440
mediated the predictive effect. 
So music evoked emotions and 

2057
01:48:59,440 --> 01:49:02,080
memories are much more powerful 
and especially based on those 

2058
01:49:02,080 --> 01:49:05,120
three data points. 
And when you add emotional 

2059
01:49:05,120 --> 01:49:07,840
intensity into the mix, it gets 
all the more powerful. 

2060
01:49:08,120 --> 01:49:11,920
So the results suggest This is a
quote from a study that I read 

2061
01:49:11,960 --> 01:49:15,560
music evoked emotions are 
strongly related to music evoked

2062
01:49:15,560 --> 01:49:19,000
memories in healthy older 
adults, and that both music 

2063
01:49:19,000 --> 01:49:22,840
evoked emotions and memories are
predicted by the same core 

2064
01:49:22,960 --> 01:49:27,040
musical features. 
Music seems like it's such a 

2065
01:49:27,640 --> 01:49:30,200
can, can often seem like magic 
in a sense 'cause it's so hard 

2066
01:49:30,200 --> 01:49:34,320
to like describe and and 
categorize and solve and figure 

2067
01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:37,600
out. 
But we know a lot about it. 

2068
01:49:37,760 --> 01:49:42,360
There's repeatable results on a 
wide variety of humans with 

2069
01:49:42,360 --> 01:49:45,040
different backgrounds. 
And it does say older adults 

2070
01:49:45,040 --> 01:49:46,480
here. 
And this is healthy older 

2071
01:49:46,480 --> 01:49:47,560
adults. 
Yeah, 'cause it's not the same 

2072
01:49:47,560 --> 01:49:50,200
for children. 
Cause, well, when you're 8, your

2073
01:49:50,200 --> 01:49:53,280
memories are what, 5-6 years 
long at most? 

2074
01:49:53,720 --> 01:49:55,200
So we're talking about long term
memory here. 

2075
01:49:55,200 --> 01:49:57,320
And there's no long term when 
you're 8 years old really. 

2076
01:49:57,520 --> 01:49:59,760
Or at least it's relatively 
short. 

2077
01:50:00,360 --> 01:50:04,520
That's why, or these concepts 
are why music therapy is a 

2078
01:50:04,520 --> 01:50:08,800
thing, because music 
overwhelmingly elicits positive 

2079
01:50:08,800 --> 01:50:10,760
reactions and memories or has 
the power to. 

2080
01:50:10,760 --> 01:50:14,200
So that's why it can be so 
useful, bringing people out of 

2081
01:50:14,200 --> 01:50:18,600
depression or other related 
ailments. 

2082
01:50:20,280 --> 01:50:23,720
One method here, at least a 
helpful method, is yeah, remind 

2083
01:50:23,720 --> 01:50:26,080
people of good things in your 
life or remind people of 

2084
01:50:26,080 --> 01:50:28,160
positive things. 
Have this positive soundtrack to

2085
01:50:28,160 --> 01:50:31,320
your life. 
Even sad music can evoke 

2086
01:50:31,320 --> 01:50:34,560
positive emotions. 
According to his research and 

2087
01:50:34,560 --> 01:50:39,160
other research, sad music can 
evoke positive emotions way more

2088
01:50:39,160 --> 01:50:42,480
than sad words or just sad 
sounds can invoke like sake. 

2089
01:50:42,840 --> 01:50:47,320
A good example of sad sounds is 
like someone crying sad words or

2090
01:50:47,320 --> 01:50:50,840
like yeah, I just I'm sad or 
you're describing something 

2091
01:50:50,840 --> 01:50:54,240
depressing. 
But if it's set to music that 

2092
01:50:54,400 --> 01:50:58,120
can actually make it positive, 
think of how many like sad songs

2093
01:50:58,120 --> 01:51:01,880
that you actually like. 
Some of them are like downright 

2094
01:51:01,880 --> 01:51:03,160
depressing. 
If you look at the lyrics, like 

2095
01:51:03,160 --> 01:51:05,640
I like a lot of sad music. 
Some of it, I just love it. 

2096
01:51:05,720 --> 01:51:07,320
It gets me fired up. 
And then when you think about 

2097
01:51:07,320 --> 01:51:09,600
that, I'm like, sad music get me
fired up. 

2098
01:51:09,720 --> 01:51:12,440
If this was just talking, it 
would not fire me up at all. 

2099
01:51:12,440 --> 01:51:13,920
It would be like, this is 
depressing. 

2100
01:51:13,920 --> 01:51:17,440
I don't want to hear this. 
Nina makes what I think is a 

2101
01:51:17,560 --> 01:51:21,960
strong somewhat conclusion ish 
point here. 

2102
01:51:22,440 --> 01:51:25,680
Songs and stories save the 
world. 

2103
01:51:26,280 --> 01:51:31,840
They are how we remember when 
there's no writing, when there's

2104
01:51:31,840 --> 01:51:37,120
no other way to perceive or, 
sorry, preserve memory or 

2105
01:51:37,120 --> 01:51:40,800
important human information. 
Songs and stories are our best 

2106
01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:42,520
way to do that. 
Songs perhaps even better than 

2107
01:51:42,520 --> 01:51:45,600
stories, because stories can fit
within songs. 

2108
01:51:46,040 --> 01:51:47,760
I guess song can fit within 
stories too. 

2109
01:51:48,120 --> 01:51:54,040
But still the empty, the 
darkness of the human knowledge 

2110
01:51:54,040 --> 01:51:57,080
or the lack of the lack of human
knowledge, when we lose 

2111
01:51:57,080 --> 01:51:59,480
everything we know, that's the 
ultimate darkness. 

2112
01:51:59,720 --> 01:52:03,400
Everything human civilization 
has learned, done, and loved. 

2113
01:52:03,400 --> 01:52:06,400
The ultimate darkness of cold 
wiping all that out or the 

2114
01:52:06,440 --> 01:52:08,920
ultimate heat of fire burning 
that all out. 

2115
01:52:09,360 --> 01:52:15,000
If if only humanity remains 
memory through song and story is

2116
01:52:15,080 --> 01:52:17,320
the only way to preserve what we
know. 

2117
01:52:17,320 --> 01:52:19,680
And of course in this world, 
there's also like the where word

2118
01:52:19,680 --> 01:52:24,160
network and things like that. 
But still, you get the point, 

2119
01:52:24,360 --> 01:52:26,760
right? 
Songs and stories are the real 

2120
01:52:26,760 --> 01:52:29,920
light bringer. 
Or the friends we made along the

2121
01:52:29,920 --> 01:52:33,360
way, if you prefer. 
Nina also suggests that A Song 

2122
01:52:33,360 --> 01:52:37,800
of Ice and Fire is a story about
stories. 

2123
01:52:38,440 --> 01:52:42,360
Every character's story is its 
own story, and all these stories

2124
01:52:42,360 --> 01:52:44,640
are woven to get. 
Even these minor characters have

2125
01:52:44,640 --> 01:52:45,760
their own stories. 
That's something George does 

2126
01:52:45,760 --> 01:52:47,160
such a good job about. 
We get work. 

2127
01:52:47,280 --> 01:52:50,520
How many episodes have we done 
on single characters that aren't

2128
01:52:50,520 --> 01:52:54,280
POV, that have just so much to 
talk about, so much back story, 

2129
01:52:54,360 --> 01:52:57,200
so much context to place them 
in, to imagine what they might 

2130
01:52:57,200 --> 01:53:00,120
have done or how they might have
reacted or all these other 

2131
01:53:00,120 --> 01:53:02,600
things. 
That tracks for me, Nina saying 

2132
01:53:02,600 --> 01:53:05,120
that it's a story about stories.
Well, with with concepts like 

2133
01:53:05,120 --> 01:53:08,760
that, it really lands. 
I, I do wonder if Danny will, as

2134
01:53:08,760 --> 01:53:12,320
we asked in our at the beginning
with our pole, is Danny going to

2135
01:53:12,320 --> 01:53:14,880
hear that music again, that 
Rhaegar's harp or something that

2136
01:53:14,880 --> 01:53:18,440
she thinks of as the song of ice
and fire? 

2137
01:53:18,440 --> 01:53:21,440
Will there be a literal moment 
where she hears music and thinks

2138
01:53:21,640 --> 01:53:23,160
song of ice and fire or 
something like that? 

2139
01:53:23,680 --> 01:53:27,040
Probably not, but but you might 
because of the music from from 

2140
01:53:27,040 --> 01:53:28,640
that vision, it certainly sets 
it up. 

2141
01:53:29,520 --> 01:53:31,880
Now here's a challenge, though. 
I mean, this is a book after 

2142
01:53:31,880 --> 01:53:33,200
all. 
So music, it's a little harder 

2143
01:53:33,200 --> 01:53:37,200
to use music and books as a as a
something that lands. 

2144
01:53:37,640 --> 01:53:39,840
Obviously TV shows and movies 
were the examples I used. 

2145
01:53:39,840 --> 01:53:41,480
And that's where it works really
well because you can actually 

2146
01:53:41,480 --> 01:53:43,360
obviously hear the music, you 
know, in a book. 

2147
01:53:43,360 --> 01:53:45,960
It's like you have to imagine it
or something which doesn't land 

2148
01:53:45,960 --> 01:53:47,640
as well. 
So I'm not sure that's the 

2149
01:53:47,640 --> 01:53:48,800
direction George will go with 
it. 

2150
01:53:48,800 --> 01:53:52,080
So I kind of argued against 
actual songs being important. 

2151
01:53:52,560 --> 01:53:55,400
The metaphor of song might be 
more what he's aiming for here, 

2152
01:53:55,400 --> 01:54:00,040
but we'll see. 
Let's talk about Aegon's dream. 

2153
01:54:00,920 --> 01:54:05,040
Yes, as I've said before and as 
most of you are aware of by now,

2154
01:54:05,760 --> 01:54:07,360
this came from George. 
It isn't just House of the 

2155
01:54:07,360 --> 01:54:08,680
Dragon thing, it came from 
George. 

2156
01:54:08,680 --> 01:54:10,000
House of the Dragon did run with
it. 

2157
01:54:10,440 --> 01:54:13,240
And this is where we're going to
parse what's TV only and what 

2158
01:54:13,240 --> 01:54:15,320
George has said. 
But let's start with the 

2159
01:54:15,320 --> 01:54:18,320
original wording of what George 
said quote. 

2160
01:54:18,800 --> 01:54:23,000
Aegon finally decided to take 
over Westeros and unify the 

2161
01:54:23,000 --> 01:54:27,400
seven Kingdoms that existed at 
the time under a single rule. 

2162
01:54:27,880 --> 01:54:32,800
There was a lot of speculation 
that in some sense he saw what 

2163
01:54:32,800 --> 01:54:37,600
was coming 300 years later and 
wanted to unify the Seven 

2164
01:54:37,600 --> 01:54:41,160
Kingdoms to be better prepared 
for the threat that he 

2165
01:54:41,160 --> 01:54:44,920
eventually saw coming from the 
north, the threat we are dealing

2166
01:54:44,920 --> 01:54:49,360
with in A Song of Ice and Fire. 
Seeing the threat of the others 

2167
01:54:49,640 --> 01:54:52,760
is not the same as seeing a 
prophecy of Azor High, but 

2168
01:54:52,760 --> 01:54:54,680
they're obviously connected to 
the same events or the Prince 

2169
01:54:54,680 --> 01:54:57,080
that was promised, etcetera. 
So this is a difference. 

2170
01:54:57,240 --> 01:55:00,440
Aegon saw the danger without 
seeing the savior. 

2171
01:55:00,560 --> 01:55:03,160
Most of the other things we've 
seen are the savior is what 

2172
01:55:03,160 --> 01:55:05,080
they're focused on. 
Azoriah will come again, the 

2173
01:55:05,080 --> 01:55:06,680
Prince that will promise, the 
Prince that was promised will 

2174
01:55:06,680 --> 01:55:10,240
come again to defeat this 
darkness of some kind. 

2175
01:55:10,240 --> 01:55:13,720
Here, Aegon's dream focuses on 
what that actual threat is. 

2176
01:55:14,120 --> 01:55:15,840
So that's a very, it's a 
different, it's a very different

2177
01:55:15,840 --> 01:55:17,640
angle to the whole thing. 
He's seeing a different piece of

2178
01:55:17,640 --> 01:55:19,200
the pie, different piece of the 
puzzle. 

2179
01:55:19,880 --> 01:55:22,200
And I wonder how that is for 
some other dragon dreamers. 

2180
01:55:22,200 --> 01:55:25,240
Like maybe that's it's mostly we
hear about them just dreaming of

2181
01:55:25,240 --> 01:55:27,000
the Dragons returning. 
That doesn't seem to be what 

2182
01:55:27,000 --> 01:55:30,720
Aegon dreamed because I mean, in
his time, the Dragons hadn't 

2183
01:55:30,720 --> 01:55:32,600
even died out. 
It may not have even occurred to

2184
01:55:32,600 --> 01:55:34,520
him. 
There wasn't necessarily a 

2185
01:55:34,520 --> 01:55:36,680
property that the Dragons will 
die out and then come back. 

2186
01:55:36,680 --> 01:55:38,080
We don't hear anything about 
that. 

2187
01:55:38,640 --> 01:55:42,440
So that sort of when will the 
Dragons return thing started 

2188
01:55:42,960 --> 01:55:47,800
after the Dragons died out. 
So what we have here is yet 

2189
01:55:47,800 --> 01:55:52,920
another angle that someone's 
supernatural background or 

2190
01:55:53,400 --> 01:55:56,000
insight gives us a different 
piece of the puzzle. 

2191
01:55:56,760 --> 01:55:58,800
So he didn't see any sort of 
savior that we know of. 

2192
01:55:59,000 --> 01:56:03,800
Aegon didn't imagine a savior. 
And this is important because in

2193
01:56:03,800 --> 01:56:08,240
the show version, Aegon believed
a Targaryen had to sit the Iron 

2194
01:56:08,240 --> 01:56:10,400
Throne. 
But that isn't what George says.

2195
01:56:10,920 --> 01:56:14,360
That's a show only invention. 
So we got to ignore that for 

2196
01:56:14,360 --> 01:56:15,800
purposes of understanding the 
books. 

2197
01:56:16,160 --> 01:56:21,080
Here is Ryan Condal, though, in 
his words, telling us what 

2198
01:56:21,080 --> 01:56:23,280
George said, which is a little 
different. 

2199
01:56:23,280 --> 01:56:24,840
So let's check it out. 
Quote. 

2200
01:56:25,800 --> 01:56:30,040
That actually came from George, 
at least the origin of that 

2201
01:56:30,040 --> 01:56:32,880
point. 
He told us very early on in the 

2202
01:56:32,880 --> 01:56:36,000
room, as he does. 
He just casually mentioned the 

2203
01:56:36,000 --> 01:56:39,680
fact that Aegon the Conqueror 
was a dreamer who saw a vision 

2204
01:56:39,680 --> 01:56:42,960
of the White Walkers coming 
across the Wall and sweeping 

2205
01:56:42,960 --> 01:56:45,240
over the land with cold and 
darkness. 

2206
01:56:45,680 --> 01:56:49,120
But it never made the history 
books because he never told 

2207
01:56:49,120 --> 01:56:52,440
anyone, or at least the people 
that he told didn't tell the 

2208
01:56:52,440 --> 01:56:55,800
history writers. 
So it's in George's head and at 

2209
01:56:55,800 --> 01:57:01,920
some point it will come out. 
Yeah, I mean, that's Ryan 

2210
01:57:01,920 --> 01:57:05,200
telling us what George said, and
I don't have any reason to doubt

2211
01:57:05,200 --> 01:57:06,480
him. 
Maybe he didn't get the exact 

2212
01:57:06,480 --> 01:57:09,280
wording right. 
I doubt he just hit record and 

2213
01:57:09,280 --> 01:57:11,080
got George's exact. 
This is his memory of what 

2214
01:57:11,080 --> 01:57:13,720
George said. 
But that bottom line, that this 

2215
01:57:13,720 --> 01:57:15,320
is in George's head, at some 
point it will come out. 

2216
01:57:15,320 --> 01:57:18,880
Yeah, I think Danny will maybe 
discover that or someone will, 

2217
01:57:18,880 --> 01:57:20,360
or multiple someones will 
discover that. 

2218
01:57:20,360 --> 01:57:24,040
Actually, some of this, this 
Targaryen dynasty is a little 

2219
01:57:24,040 --> 01:57:27,800
bit more steeped in dreams and 
visions and prophecies than some

2220
01:57:27,800 --> 01:57:29,600
people may have realized, 
especially Danny herself. 

2221
01:57:30,480 --> 01:57:34,320
So again, there's no George 
doesn't give this aspect of 

2222
01:57:34,320 --> 01:57:36,360
Aegon's dream as there must be a
Targaryen. 

2223
01:57:36,360 --> 01:57:38,160
It's not like there must be a 
Stark in Winterfell. 

2224
01:57:38,240 --> 01:57:41,760
There must be a Targaryen on the
Iron Throne that isn't there. 

2225
01:57:42,200 --> 01:57:44,520
So maybe he or maybe he had a 
different version of that. 

2226
01:57:44,520 --> 01:57:46,520
Maybe he did interpret the 
Prince or Princess that was 

2227
01:57:46,520 --> 01:57:50,240
promised, meaning some 
Targaryen, maybe not necessarily

2228
01:57:50,240 --> 01:57:55,160
the king because it says Prince.
So did Aegon's dream actually 

2229
01:57:55,160 --> 01:57:57,840
contain that phrase, the Prince 
that was promised? 

2230
01:57:57,960 --> 01:58:01,840
Or did he have the dream that 
led him to research, starting to

2231
01:58:01,840 --> 01:58:04,600
look at old books? 
He tells Visenya and Rainey's 

2232
01:58:05,400 --> 01:58:07,720
they also have some insight. 
Maybe they know which books to 

2233
01:58:07,720 --> 01:58:09,520
look at together. 
They all look at different 

2234
01:58:09,800 --> 01:58:12,840
different books and this is what
they find, and maybe that's how 

2235
01:58:12,840 --> 01:58:14,080
they discover the Prince. 
It was promised. 

2236
01:58:14,080 --> 01:58:17,160
They they backfill that they're 
they have the he has the dream. 

2237
01:58:17,320 --> 01:58:21,840
They look for similar dreams 
written down by other people, 

2238
01:58:21,840 --> 01:58:24,240
Maybe Danis the dreamers where 
they start, and then they start 

2239
01:58:24,360 --> 01:58:28,480
to look at other, less of less 
well known dreamers within the 

2240
01:58:28,480 --> 01:58:33,360
family and realize, Hey, Azor, 
hi Prince, it was promised. 

2241
01:58:33,360 --> 01:58:37,720
That's aligning with your dream,
you know, it fits with the the 

2242
01:58:37,720 --> 01:58:39,680
White Walkers in this cold 
darkness from the North. 

2243
01:58:39,840 --> 01:58:43,320
The unifying principle or detail
being this cold darkness from 

2244
01:58:43,320 --> 01:58:46,080
the North, this danger. 
Even if they don't, even if 

2245
01:58:46,080 --> 01:58:48,240
these other properties don't 
mention the others, it's still 

2246
01:58:48,320 --> 01:58:52,080
pretty clearly fits the same 
idea. 

2247
01:58:52,840 --> 01:58:54,520
Maybe they had the right books. 
Maybe. 

2248
01:58:54,520 --> 01:58:59,160
Maybe Dragonstone back in Aegon,
Visenya Rainey's day had a lot 

2249
01:58:59,160 --> 01:59:02,640
more books from Valyria that 
could explain some of these 

2250
01:59:02,640 --> 01:59:06,120
things that no longer exists 
thanks to Baylor, right? 

2251
01:59:06,920 --> 01:59:10,000
Aries the first in Rhaegar came 
after Baylor. 

2252
01:59:10,160 --> 01:59:13,880
So some books definitely 
survived that mention these 

2253
01:59:13,880 --> 01:59:15,680
prophecies. 
Or maybe they got new books. 

2254
01:59:16,040 --> 01:59:21,320
Maybe Aries the first restocked 
to the library's, you know, 40 

2255
01:59:21,320 --> 01:59:24,520
years after Baylor burned 
everything, because obviously 

2256
01:59:24,520 --> 01:59:27,200
there were books that pointed to
these things after Baylor died. 

2257
01:59:27,200 --> 01:59:32,440
So he didn't get it all right. 
So Aegon very possibly was like,

2258
01:59:32,960 --> 01:59:35,720
bring me all the books I got to 
research what's what I'm seeing 

2259
01:59:35,720 --> 01:59:39,080
here, maybe in my dream. 
And that leads him to conquer 

2260
01:59:39,080 --> 01:59:40,800
Westeros. 
And maybe it wasn't just the 

2261
01:59:40,800 --> 01:59:42,800
dream. 
Maybe it was a dream followed up

2262
01:59:42,800 --> 01:59:45,360
by the research. 
And this whole this whole 

2263
01:59:45,360 --> 01:59:48,200
picture made him reach this 
conclusion that you know what, 

2264
01:59:48,800 --> 01:59:51,880
I'm up to unite the land here. 
You know, I don't know that he 

2265
01:59:51,880 --> 01:59:55,280
would have told anybody else, 
which is why it's not in the 

2266
01:59:55,280 --> 01:59:57,160
history books. 
Maybe he told Oris or his 

2267
01:59:57,160 --> 02:00:01,080
Baratheon, maybe the maybe some 
other of the Valyrians that were

2268
02:00:01,080 --> 02:00:03,800
in his court. 
But we don't know. 

2269
02:00:03,960 --> 02:00:06,760
We don't know. 
It definitely helps us 

2270
02:00:07,320 --> 02:00:10,760
understand why Aegon is such an 
unknown, why his personality is 

2271
02:00:10,760 --> 02:00:12,600
missing from the history books 
as well. 

2272
02:00:13,240 --> 02:00:16,760
This is part of why he didn't 
want them to know about this. 

2273
02:00:17,320 --> 02:00:19,760
And there's no way to keep all 
that information from the 

2274
02:00:19,760 --> 02:00:21,640
history books without also 
keeping a lot of other things. 

2275
02:00:21,640 --> 02:00:25,400
You just got to keep a low 
profile and not give much away. 

2276
02:00:26,280 --> 02:00:27,760
So maybe he had more than one 
vision too. 

2277
02:00:27,760 --> 02:00:32,360
George said or Condol says Aegon
was a dreamer, so that means 

2278
02:00:32,760 --> 02:00:34,640
more dreams than just this one, 
right? 

2279
02:00:34,640 --> 02:00:36,160
I don't know if you would call 
him a dreamer if he just had 

2280
02:00:36,160 --> 02:00:37,520
one. 
And I don't know that we have a 

2281
02:00:37,520 --> 02:00:39,760
lot of examples of dreamers that
just have one dream. 

2282
02:00:40,240 --> 02:00:42,960
So this same dream may have been
recurring. 

2283
02:00:42,960 --> 02:00:45,040
He may have seen it, it may have
been recurring but with 

2284
02:00:45,040 --> 02:00:46,960
differences each time, you know,
subtle. 

2285
02:00:47,120 --> 02:00:48,560
It was not the exact same every 
time. 

2286
02:00:48,840 --> 02:00:51,720
Maybe he had a variety of 
different visions related to 

2287
02:00:51,720 --> 02:00:53,960
this. 
Maybe he just had other visions 

2288
02:00:54,600 --> 02:00:57,120
all together that have nothing 
to do with this. 

2289
02:00:57,120 --> 02:00:59,640
So who knows. 
It sounds like it's possible, 

2290
02:00:59,640 --> 02:01:01,520
though. 
If he was a dreamer, then a lot 

2291
02:01:01,520 --> 02:01:03,360
of things are on the table for 
possibilities here. 

2292
02:01:04,240 --> 02:01:07,680
But something made him take it 
seriously, possibly just the 

2293
02:01:07,680 --> 02:01:10,760
notion that it's a common enough
thing in his family. 

2294
02:01:10,920 --> 02:01:12,920
Danis the dreamer is the reason 
they're all there, so they have 

2295
02:01:12,920 --> 02:01:15,400
a lot of trust and prophecy. 
Like, OK, well, none of us would

2296
02:01:15,400 --> 02:01:19,040
even exist without prophecy, so 
let's not just toss prophecy to 

2297
02:01:19,040 --> 02:01:20,440
the side here. 
Let's take it seriously. 

2298
02:01:21,000 --> 02:01:24,480
But again, none of the 
prophecies, none of his dream, 

2299
02:01:24,800 --> 02:01:27,920
none of this seems to be 
something he uniting of Westeros

2300
02:01:27,920 --> 02:01:30,400
doesn't seem to be in the dream.
It's some it's a conclusion that

2301
02:01:30,400 --> 02:01:33,200
he reached because of the dream.
I think that seems to be how 

2302
02:01:33,200 --> 02:01:36,680
it's written, which is a unique 
feature of his dream compared to

2303
02:01:36,680 --> 02:01:40,360
the other prophecies. 
Nothing in any of the prophecies

2304
02:01:40,360 --> 02:01:42,760
say you must unite Westeros. 
However, there is an 

2305
02:01:42,760 --> 02:01:46,480
overwhelming recurring theme of 
unity, of having to bring people

2306
02:01:46,480 --> 02:01:49,320
together to fight the darkness. 
So that in a in an indirect 

2307
02:01:49,320 --> 02:01:52,520
sense is is a bullseye. 
Even though it doesn't seem to 

2308
02:01:52,520 --> 02:01:54,480
directly apply to Aegon in that 
sense, you could see how it 

2309
02:01:54,480 --> 02:01:58,120
would fit because that's a big 
piece of uniting Aegon to 

2310
02:01:58,120 --> 02:02:01,960
conquer, uniting Westeros into 
something like a you, a unified 

2311
02:02:01,960 --> 02:02:07,280
army is perhaps the biggest 
piece of unification that any of

2312
02:02:07,280 --> 02:02:10,120
these characters have done. 
Some of this is still ongoing, 

2313
02:02:10,120 --> 02:02:12,040
so it's hard to say. 
Arguably Danny is doing 

2314
02:02:12,040 --> 02:02:16,400
something similar by bringing 
together Unsoli, Dothraki, lots 

2315
02:02:16,400 --> 02:02:18,880
of other people from Essos, and 
eventually lots of people from 

2316
02:02:18,880 --> 02:02:21,280
Westeros. 
So that could be perhaps the 

2317
02:02:21,280 --> 02:02:25,640
most diverse host slash army of 
anyone's ever seen. 

2318
02:02:26,480 --> 02:02:30,320
But so is Jon Snow. 
Jon Snow is uniting Stannis and 

2319
02:02:30,320 --> 02:02:34,280
the Free Folk and different free
folk cultures and the Nights 

2320
02:02:34,280 --> 02:02:37,440
Watch all together with some 
Northern Lords in the mix. 

2321
02:02:37,760 --> 02:02:40,440
So yeah, again, that's why we 
struggle to say there's only one

2322
02:02:40,440 --> 02:02:43,640
Azora High because so many other
people seem to fit. 

2323
02:02:43,640 --> 02:02:46,000
Like you could argue Aegon the 
Conqueror hasn't Azora High 

2324
02:02:46,000 --> 02:02:48,160
element to him given this 
unification business. 

2325
02:02:49,040 --> 02:02:52,920
And of course, Danny, who we I 
would rate as the biggest uniter

2326
02:02:52,920 --> 02:02:56,360
of them all, or at least on 
track to be, is the Stallion who

2327
02:02:56,360 --> 02:02:59,080
Mounts the World, which is, we 
haven't had much 'cause to bring

2328
02:02:59,080 --> 02:03:01,760
that prophecy yet, But the 
Stallion who Mounts the World 

2329
02:03:01,760 --> 02:03:05,720
brings all the calisars of the 
world together into one. 

2330
02:03:05,720 --> 02:03:11,160
That's the even the Dithraki 
have this vision of a great 

2331
02:03:11,160 --> 02:03:13,120
uniter. 
They don't see it as a united, 

2332
02:03:13,120 --> 02:03:15,320
they see it as a great conqueror
or a great warrior. 

2333
02:03:15,600 --> 02:03:19,520
But the subtext is brings 
everyone together to fight for 

2334
02:03:19,520 --> 02:03:22,600
one cause and who else could it 
be? 

2335
02:03:22,800 --> 02:03:27,280
Like it's hard to come up with 
anyone else for the Azor high 

2336
02:03:27,280 --> 02:03:28,840
other than Danny given the 
Dragons thing. 

2337
02:03:28,840 --> 02:03:31,880
But it's also really hard to who
else could the stallion amounts 

2338
02:03:31,880 --> 02:03:34,200
to the world be in world. 
They believed briefly that it 

2339
02:03:34,200 --> 02:03:37,440
was Rego and maybe Danny still 
thinks that, but I think pretty 

2340
02:03:37,440 --> 02:03:39,200
much the rest of us are all 
convinced it's her. 

2341
02:03:39,440 --> 02:03:42,040
Like she checks off all those 
boxes and it looks like she is 

2342
02:03:42,040 --> 02:03:44,760
going to unite the Dothrakis 
that's been prophesied too in 

2343
02:03:44,760 --> 02:03:49,360
her own dreams with the whole 
Crohn's bowing to her vision. 

2344
02:03:50,000 --> 02:03:55,600
So yeah, who else could it beat?
The Dragon Dreamer soundtrack. 

2345
02:03:55,760 --> 02:04:00,000
It's our next section here. 
So there's been a lot of dragon 

2346
02:04:00,000 --> 02:04:01,320
dreamers. 
Obviously we've talked about 

2347
02:04:01,400 --> 02:04:04,760
Danny and Aegon and maybe 
they're in their own category, 

2348
02:04:04,760 --> 02:04:06,320
so let's we've talked about them
anyway. 

2349
02:04:06,320 --> 02:04:07,920
But what about these other 
people? 

2350
02:04:08,480 --> 02:04:10,720
What are they seeing and how 
they fit into all this? 

2351
02:04:11,280 --> 02:04:15,000
Mostly they're just seeing a 
small part of this, right? 

2352
02:04:15,960 --> 02:04:20,600
Take the Azor High screed. 
When the darkness gathers, Red 

2353
02:04:20,600 --> 02:04:24,720
Star bleeds. 
Azor High will, you know, wake 

2354
02:04:24,720 --> 02:04:27,320
Dragons from stone. 
Bring light, bring her from the 

2355
02:04:27,320 --> 02:04:30,000
fire. 
All they're seeing the dragon 

2356
02:04:30,000 --> 02:04:33,200
dreamers seem to be seeing is 
the waking Dragons from stone 

2357
02:04:33,200 --> 02:04:34,920
part. 
They're only seeing the Dragons 

2358
02:04:34,920 --> 02:04:36,560
returning part. 
They don't see the others. 

2359
02:04:36,960 --> 02:04:41,760
They don't see the red comet. 
They don't see any of that other

2360
02:04:41,760 --> 02:04:43,880
stuff, right? 
Rhaegar read about the red 

2361
02:04:43,880 --> 02:04:46,360
comet. 
Eamon read about the red comet. 

2362
02:04:46,360 --> 02:04:48,200
It's in these ancient 
prophecies. 

2363
02:04:48,200 --> 02:04:50,000
It wasn't something they 
perceived through dreams, as far

2364
02:04:50,000 --> 02:04:53,320
as we know. 
So all these dragon dreamers 

2365
02:04:53,320 --> 02:04:56,760
seem to have in terms of their 
piece of the puzzle is someday 

2366
02:04:56,760 --> 02:05:01,800
the Dragons will return. 
But as Aegon is an example of 

2367
02:05:01,960 --> 02:05:06,600
and, and maybe Danny and Danny's
the dreamer, the dreams of 

2368
02:05:06,600 --> 02:05:09,640
dragon dreamers were a lot 
different back when Dragons did 

2369
02:05:09,640 --> 02:05:11,000
exist. 
They weren't dreaming about the 

2370
02:05:11,000 --> 02:05:13,000
Dragons returning as far as we 
know, because the Dragons 

2371
02:05:13,000 --> 02:05:15,200
weren't gone. 
Maybe they, some of them had 

2372
02:05:15,200 --> 02:05:17,000
dreams of the Dragons being gone
and then coming back, But we 

2373
02:05:17,000 --> 02:05:20,240
don't hear about that. 
So everything we've heard about 

2374
02:05:20,240 --> 02:05:23,400
Dragons returning comes after 
the Dragons die out. 

2375
02:05:24,080 --> 02:05:27,560
So that's, that's very curious. 
And you know, and of course the 

2376
02:05:27,560 --> 02:05:30,560
dragon dreamers don't, their 
dream is different than Aegons. 

2377
02:05:30,560 --> 02:05:32,800
As far as we know, there's 
nothing about none of the dragon

2378
02:05:32,800 --> 02:05:36,480
dreamers that we know of have 
perceived the Others or even the

2379
02:05:36,480 --> 02:05:39,480
Long Night or anything like it. 
It's just this Dragon's 

2380
02:05:39,480 --> 02:05:40,760
returning thing. 
That's it. 

2381
02:05:40,800 --> 02:05:43,040
You know, it's, well, I mean, 
that is a lot because it's 

2382
02:05:43,080 --> 02:05:45,720
supernatural dreams basically, 
but that's it. 

2383
02:05:45,880 --> 02:05:47,880
You know, they're, they don't 
see their, their slice of the 

2384
02:05:47,880 --> 02:05:50,000
pie is kind of small compared to
some of these others. 

2385
02:05:50,600 --> 02:05:53,000
But there's also a lot of 
unknown Targaryens here who are 

2386
02:05:53,000 --> 02:05:54,880
having these dreams. 
It's possible some of them had 

2387
02:05:55,200 --> 02:05:59,320
much more vivid imagery here and
they just didn't know what to 

2388
02:05:59,320 --> 02:06:00,880
make of it. 
Maybe some of them didn't write 

2389
02:06:00,880 --> 02:06:02,640
it down, but maybe some of them 
did. 

2390
02:06:03,160 --> 02:06:04,760
And that could be interesting. 
That could be a way for George 

2391
02:06:04,760 --> 02:06:07,160
to give a little more 
information to some of these 

2392
02:06:07,160 --> 02:06:09,560
main characters is to reveal 
some some books. 

2393
02:06:10,560 --> 02:06:11,920
But it's these are Targaryens 
too. 

2394
02:06:11,920 --> 02:06:14,880
It's to keep in mind that 
they're all very privileged 

2395
02:06:14,880 --> 02:06:18,360
people that are not unlikely to 
have big egos. 

2396
02:06:18,480 --> 02:06:22,120
So a lot of the Targaryens would
be like, it's me, I'm the one. 

2397
02:06:22,120 --> 02:06:26,280
A lot of them would feel like 
confidence and unearned 

2398
02:06:26,280 --> 02:06:28,080
confidence that they're the 
special one. 

2399
02:06:28,640 --> 02:06:31,240
And even if you aren't, you know
that arrogant to think that 

2400
02:06:31,240 --> 02:06:35,080
you're probably the one you want
to at least check and make sure 

2401
02:06:35,080 --> 02:06:37,480
if you're aware that someone in 
your family is going to be this 

2402
02:06:37,480 --> 02:06:40,080
special being, you might want to
make sure, check at least to 

2403
02:06:40,080 --> 02:06:42,960
make sure it's not you or, and 
if it is, then we'll get on with

2404
02:06:42,960 --> 02:06:45,320
it. 
And if dragon Dreamers did have 

2405
02:06:45,320 --> 02:06:49,040
this idea from the TV show that 
there had to be a Targaryen on 

2406
02:06:49,040 --> 02:06:53,480
the throne, well, until post 
Aries, they would be like, all 

2407
02:06:53,480 --> 02:06:55,120
right, we're fine. 
We do have a Targaryen on the 

2408
02:06:55,120 --> 02:06:56,160
throne. 
So they wouldn't have anything 

2409
02:06:56,160 --> 02:06:57,520
to do. 
They'd be like, yeah, well, 

2410
02:06:57,760 --> 02:06:59,160
we're good. 
There's still a Targaryen on the

2411
02:06:59,160 --> 02:07:02,360
throne. 
No worries, it isn't until 280 

2412
02:07:02,360 --> 02:07:06,800
years later, 284 years later or 
so, that that ends. 

2413
02:07:07,280 --> 02:07:10,800
So there hasn't been that long 
of a time for people to dream of

2414
02:07:11,120 --> 02:07:13,880
uh oh, we need a Targaryen on 
the throne still. 

2415
02:07:13,880 --> 02:07:16,840
That hasn't been a thing. 
We have not seen anything in any

2416
02:07:16,840 --> 02:07:20,400
prophecy or dream that says 
Danny has to be the Queen or has

2417
02:07:20,400 --> 02:07:22,320
to rule Westeros, which is the 
Iron Throne, to make any of this

2418
02:07:22,320 --> 02:07:24,240
happen. 
It isn't necessarily a 

2419
02:07:24,240 --> 02:07:27,000
prerequisite. 
I still kind of think she will, 

2420
02:07:27,000 --> 02:07:30,800
but it doesn't seem to be 
prophesied again, Prince slash 

2421
02:07:30,800 --> 02:07:32,760
Princess that was promised, not 
queen. 

2422
02:07:33,840 --> 02:07:36,800
So I think what a lot of the 
other dragon dreamers were 

2423
02:07:36,800 --> 02:07:39,720
dreaming of when they dreamt of 
the return of the Dragons. 

2424
02:07:39,720 --> 02:07:42,120
This is something Joe Magician I
think originally introduced me 

2425
02:07:42,120 --> 02:07:44,520
the idea of. 
So shout out Joe Magician or 

2426
02:07:44,520 --> 02:07:46,920
shout out someone else if I'm 
wrong about who I got this from.

2427
02:07:46,920 --> 02:07:50,880
But I think it was Joe Magician,
the idea that a lot of the 

2428
02:07:50,880 --> 02:07:53,240
dragon dreamers were dreaming of
Danny. 

2429
02:07:53,240 --> 02:07:56,520
They were perceiving the return 
of the Dragons and they were 

2430
02:07:56,520 --> 02:07:58,760
seeing this figure in those 
dreams that did it. 

2431
02:07:59,080 --> 02:08:02,240
And because it's a generic 
Targaryen, they can perceive it 

2432
02:08:02,240 --> 02:08:03,400
as themselves. 
They don't know who it is. 

2433
02:08:03,400 --> 02:08:06,480
They see silver hair or maybe 
they see no hair because that's 

2434
02:08:06,480 --> 02:08:09,120
how she came out of the fire. 
Which might be why Egg thought 

2435
02:08:09,120 --> 02:08:11,720
it was himself because he didn't
have hair for a while there too.

2436
02:08:11,720 --> 02:08:15,960
That could be very very 
unfortunate misleading detail 

2437
02:08:15,960 --> 02:08:18,040
there. 
So Summerhall could have been a 

2438
02:08:18,040 --> 02:08:23,120
self fulfilling prophecy right? 
So many of the people who tried 

2439
02:08:23,120 --> 02:08:28,520
to bring Dragons back used 
wildfire, Aryan, Aries, AG 

2440
02:08:28,520 --> 02:08:31,480
himself. 
This maybe argues that they were

2441
02:08:31,480 --> 02:08:34,760
perceiving wildfire in their 
dreams too, which means they 

2442
02:08:34,760 --> 02:08:36,680
aren't dreaming of Danny. 
If they were dreaming of 

2443
02:08:36,680 --> 02:08:41,720
wildfire bringing back Dragons, 
they were dreaming of failed 

2444
02:08:41,720 --> 02:08:44,640
attempts and maybe not realizing
those were failed attempts. 

2445
02:08:44,640 --> 02:08:48,280
They're dreaming of what their 
descendants would try, but they 

2446
02:08:48,600 --> 02:08:50,160
maybe didn't dream the whole 
thing. 

2447
02:08:50,160 --> 02:08:53,520
They just saw a wildfire. 
And so that's why they lean 

2448
02:08:53,520 --> 02:08:57,400
towards wildfire, not knowing 
that they were probably dreaming

2449
02:08:57,400 --> 02:09:02,000
of Summerhall or of Aries and 
thinking and seeing what they 

2450
02:09:02,000 --> 02:09:04,400
expected to work. 
And actually it's it's an 

2451
02:09:04,960 --> 02:09:09,080
example of it didn't work. 
But dreams are misleading, 

2452
02:09:09,080 --> 02:09:10,400
right? 
You can see this happening and 

2453
02:09:10,400 --> 02:09:12,520
think, is this something that 
I'm supposed to do or is this a 

2454
02:09:12,520 --> 02:09:17,280
warning of what not to do there 
With the difficulty of dreams, 

2455
02:09:17,280 --> 02:09:19,120
that's a pretty easy thing to 
get lost in. 

2456
02:09:19,600 --> 02:09:22,160
Rhaegar certainly looked too 
hard for what wasn't there, 

2457
02:09:22,520 --> 02:09:23,920
right? 
But he wasn't far off. 

2458
02:09:23,920 --> 02:09:26,800
And as we said earlier, he did a
pretty good job of changing his 

2459
02:09:26,800 --> 02:09:30,360
mind, something like that, and 
changing, adapting to the new 

2460
02:09:30,360 --> 02:09:33,200
evidence. 
But he kept getting wrong 

2461
02:09:33,200 --> 02:09:35,840
evidence, so he kept adapting to
bad input. 

2462
02:09:37,080 --> 02:09:39,960
John Merkel says the Targaryens 
may have imagined themselves the

2463
02:09:39,960 --> 02:09:42,840
brand of the prophecy, the quote
hero, the last hero or the the 

2464
02:09:42,840 --> 02:09:47,000
the Azora High when they're 
actually the Jojen destined to 

2465
02:09:47,000 --> 02:09:50,360
tell the tale and die destined 
to have the information pass it 

2466
02:09:50,360 --> 02:09:53,160
on to someone who matters. 
That's a good call. 

2467
02:09:53,160 --> 02:09:55,120
Like so many of these other 
Targaryen Princess and 

2468
02:09:55,120 --> 02:09:57,520
princelings and and kings and 
Queens that may have thought it 

2469
02:09:57,520 --> 02:09:59,960
was them. 
They were just all building it 

2470
02:09:59,960 --> 02:10:03,480
up to Danny, who was the actual 
1 Danny's the Danny's the Bran 

2471
02:10:03,640 --> 02:10:06,200
of this prophecy, but they 
didn't know that they're the 

2472
02:10:06,200 --> 02:10:08,160
ones they are the Jojo's. 
That's a good way to put it. 

2473
02:10:08,160 --> 02:10:12,080
I like that it's pretty cool. 
This next section is called 

2474
02:10:12,080 --> 02:10:15,200
sheet music. 
And the point of that is to 

2475
02:10:15,200 --> 02:10:19,240
extend our musical metaphor, our
song metaphor, into the written 

2476
02:10:19,240 --> 02:10:22,280
word and how that applies here. 
So we've talked about 

2477
02:10:22,280 --> 02:10:27,720
Melisandre's texts and other 
books from ancient Eshai, which 

2478
02:10:27,840 --> 02:10:31,120
are probably the oldest written 
sources for anything resembling 

2479
02:10:31,120 --> 02:10:33,880
the Azora High prophecy. 
The Targaryens clearly have some

2480
02:10:33,880 --> 02:10:36,080
sources of their own. 
Obviously, Septon Barth is a 

2481
02:10:36,080 --> 02:10:38,520
great source on Dragons. 
Most of his writings were 

2482
02:10:38,520 --> 02:10:41,240
unfortunately burned. 
Plenty of other texts were 

2483
02:10:41,240 --> 02:10:43,120
burned as well. 
Thanks, Baylor. 

2484
02:10:43,680 --> 02:10:47,000
But as we just mentioned a few 
minutes ago, and now we get to 

2485
02:10:47,000 --> 02:10:51,520
focus on him, one king in 
particular did what he could to 

2486
02:10:51,520 --> 02:10:54,160
get the books back in the Red 
Keep quote. 

2487
02:10:55,120 --> 02:11:01,480
Assuming the throne in 184 AC, 
Daron's second son Aries had 

2488
02:11:01,480 --> 02:11:06,600
never imagined he would be king 
and was singularly I'll suited 

2489
02:11:06,600 --> 02:11:11,080
to sit the Iron Throne. 
Aries was learned in his way, 

2490
02:11:11,560 --> 02:11:15,760
though his interests were 
largely to do with dusty tomes 

2491
02:11:15,760 --> 02:11:20,040
concerned with ancient prophecy 
and the higher mysteries. 

2492
02:11:21,000 --> 02:11:25,040
So Aries read, the Dragons would
return, or at least that's the 

2493
02:11:25,040 --> 02:11:28,480
part that Egg tells Dunk. 
And it's a young Egg who says 

2494
02:11:28,480 --> 02:11:30,800
this. 
So he's not the most reliable 

2495
02:11:31,520 --> 02:11:33,920
source of information here, 
because he's also excited about 

2496
02:11:33,920 --> 02:11:34,800
it. 
He's a child. 

2497
02:11:34,920 --> 02:11:36,600
He want, he's hearing what he 
wants to hear. 

2498
02:11:37,160 --> 02:11:38,840
He tells Dunk. 
Wouldn't that be amazing if 

2499
02:11:38,840 --> 02:11:41,360
Dragons came back and Dunk's 
like I don't no that would be so

2500
02:11:41,360 --> 02:11:43,760
great. 
Actually, that quote's a little 

2501
02:11:43,760 --> 02:11:45,880
bit misleading because it makes 
it sound like Aries became king 

2502
02:11:45,880 --> 02:11:48,600
in 184. 
Darren became king in 184. 

2503
02:11:48,760 --> 02:11:51,760
Aries became king in I think 2O9
right after the Great Spring 

2504
02:11:51,760 --> 02:11:56,120
Sickness. 
So he is the most bookish of all

2505
02:11:56,120 --> 02:11:59,880
the Targaryen kings and the one 
that restored the belief, at 

2506
02:11:59,880 --> 02:12:02,000
least from a prophetic 
standpoint, that the Dragons 

2507
02:12:02,000 --> 02:12:05,760
would return there. 
There were attempts to rehash 

2508
02:12:05,760 --> 02:12:09,120
Dragons to hatch the dragon eggs
prior to Aries, but they didn't 

2509
02:12:09,120 --> 02:12:12,960
do that on a basis of, we know 
because of a prophecy that this 

2510
02:12:12,960 --> 02:12:15,200
is going to work. 
They did it because they just 

2511
02:12:15,200 --> 02:12:17,720
really wanted Dragons back. 
The Dragons are the source of 

2512
02:12:17,720 --> 02:12:21,040
their power and they're like any
we we want these again, let's 

2513
02:12:21,040 --> 02:12:23,160
try to hatch them. 
They tried all sorts of things, 

2514
02:12:23,880 --> 02:12:26,240
but those things they tried 
weren't rooted in trying to 

2515
02:12:26,240 --> 02:12:31,440
fulfill prophecies. 
They were maybe mages from maybe

2516
02:12:31,440 --> 02:12:33,680
warlocks can do this. 
Maybe this other thing will 

2517
02:12:33,680 --> 02:12:35,040
work. 
Maybe wildfire will work. 

2518
02:12:35,040 --> 02:12:38,840
They weren't trying things that 
came from existing prophecies, 

2519
02:12:38,840 --> 02:12:41,280
so that they may have been 
trying things that came from 

2520
02:12:41,280 --> 02:12:43,440
dreams, from newest dreams, from
recent dreams. 

2521
02:12:44,200 --> 02:12:48,760
So in this case, what Ares is 
dealing with is not a prophecy 

2522
02:12:48,760 --> 02:12:51,040
from a dream or a vision 
directly, although that may be 

2523
02:12:51,040 --> 02:12:53,480
how it started. 
It's one that was written down, 

2524
02:12:53,680 --> 02:12:58,040
a prophecy put to text, which 
obviously can. 

2525
02:12:58,680 --> 02:13:02,880
There's all sorts of ways it can
be wrong or misrecorded, let 

2526
02:13:02,880 --> 02:13:06,160
alone just the basic flaws that 
come with any prophecy, the 

2527
02:13:06,160 --> 02:13:10,000
inherent issues that come with 
anything from this, from this 

2528
02:13:10,000 --> 02:13:11,240
angle. 
So. 

2529
02:13:11,640 --> 02:13:13,840
But it did. 
Aries did establish it as a 

2530
02:13:13,840 --> 02:13:16,920
persistent belief. 
After him, pretty much every 

2531
02:13:16,920 --> 02:13:21,440
Targaryen was on this track, at 
least somewhat. 

2532
02:13:21,720 --> 02:13:24,560
Maybe Makar didn't, but maybe he
did. 

2533
02:13:25,160 --> 02:13:27,360
Aries didn't actually try to 
hatch his eggs, right? 

2534
02:13:27,360 --> 02:13:30,400
They went from trying to hatch 
the eggs to just thinking about 

2535
02:13:30,400 --> 02:13:32,040
this prophecy and wondering how 
that would work. 

2536
02:13:32,040 --> 02:13:35,720
So it's a definitely an 
interesting shift in Targaryen 

2537
02:13:35,720 --> 02:13:39,320
behavior after Aries came along.
But AG of course did. 

2538
02:13:39,320 --> 02:13:42,000
AG did culminate all this with 
Summerhall? 

2539
02:13:42,240 --> 02:13:46,960
Maybe both a culmination of the 
prior generation and Aries's 

2540
02:13:47,240 --> 02:13:49,640
influence. 
Tragic combination there. 

2541
02:13:50,600 --> 02:13:52,800
And let's look at the Rhinar 
histories again real quick. 

2542
02:13:52,880 --> 02:13:54,640
I've talked about this once or 
twice throughout this episode, 

2543
02:13:54,640 --> 02:13:56,480
but let's get let's hone in on a
little more here. 

2544
02:13:56,760 --> 02:13:59,320
You could say that the Rhinar 
histories share a thread, or 

2545
02:13:59,320 --> 02:14:02,040
maybe you could say that they 
harmonize to keep with our song 

2546
02:14:02,040 --> 02:14:06,760
metaphors quote. 
The Rhinar tell of a darkness 

2547
02:14:06,760 --> 02:14:11,200
that made the Rhin of Essos 
dwindle and disappear, her 

2548
02:14:11,200 --> 02:14:15,640
waters frozen as far South as 
the joining of the Selhoru, 

2549
02:14:16,160 --> 02:14:20,840
until a hero convinced the many 
children of Mother Rhyne, such 

2550
02:14:20,840 --> 02:14:25,840
as the Crab King and the Old Man
of the River, to put aside their

2551
02:14:25,840 --> 02:14:31,040
bickering and join in a secret 
song that brought back the day. 

2552
02:14:32,080 --> 02:14:35,040
Unity and song are the key 
elements to their victory, 

2553
02:14:35,040 --> 02:14:39,920
according to this anecdote. 
But it also says a single hero 

2554
02:14:39,920 --> 02:14:42,000
is who united them and kicked it
all off. 

2555
02:14:42,360 --> 02:14:44,040
It was the combined efforts that
worked. 

2556
02:14:44,040 --> 02:14:46,960
But none of that would have 
happened without this unifying 

2557
02:14:46,960 --> 02:14:50,960
hero figure. 
Again, a recurring aspect to 

2558
02:14:50,960 --> 02:14:54,520
these prophecies as a unifying 
figure that's crucial to any of 

2559
02:14:54,520 --> 02:14:56,600
this working. 
So yeah, after Aries the first, 

2560
02:14:56,600 --> 02:14:59,120
lots more focus on prophecies. 
It was a big deal. 

2561
02:14:59,320 --> 02:15:02,520
Jaharius the second and Shara 
believed the Ghost of High Heart

2562
02:15:02,520 --> 02:15:04,600
that the Prince that was 
promised would be born to their 

2563
02:15:04,600 --> 02:15:06,200
line. 
They just, they accepted that 

2564
02:15:06,200 --> 02:15:07,960
pretty much uncritically as far 
as we can tell. 

2565
02:15:08,160 --> 02:15:11,280
And I bet that's partly because 
they were primed for it because 

2566
02:15:11,280 --> 02:15:14,480
of Aries the 1st and this talk 
of prophecy and that the Dragons

2567
02:15:14,480 --> 02:15:16,760
would return something that all 
the Targaryens want. 

2568
02:15:17,240 --> 02:15:21,920
So it's definitely one of those 
things that they would justify 

2569
02:15:21,920 --> 02:15:25,560
or hope for or maybe, you know, 
have reverse denial about like, 

2570
02:15:25,560 --> 02:15:26,720
yeah, it's coming, It's 
happening. 

2571
02:15:26,720 --> 02:15:28,920
We just got to we just got to 
make it happen. 

2572
02:15:28,920 --> 02:15:31,080
We got to do what we what we 
must to make it happen. 

2573
02:15:31,080 --> 02:15:32,480
So Jerry isn't sure we're all 
about it. 

2574
02:15:32,480 --> 02:15:34,360
They're like, Yep, goes to high 
heart said. 

2575
02:15:34,360 --> 02:15:38,080
So we believe her. 
She's had accurate visions. 

2576
02:15:38,240 --> 02:15:46,080
We got no reason to doubt it. 
But just like Aegon what what 

2577
02:15:46,080 --> 02:15:49,040
books got involved here? 
Because I don't think, just like

2578
02:15:49,040 --> 02:15:51,320
I don't believe Egg and the 
Conqueror stopped with visions. 

2579
02:15:51,320 --> 02:15:54,520
He probably, you know, opened up
some books and tried to learn 

2580
02:15:54,520 --> 02:15:57,760
more about what he was seeing. 
I bet these two did too. 

2581
02:15:58,040 --> 02:16:01,040
Not automatically. 
It's just of not unlikely thing 

2582
02:16:01,040 --> 02:16:03,560
to imagine they would want to 
know who the Prince that was 

2583
02:16:03,560 --> 02:16:06,720
promised was like just that's 
just something they've heard of 

2584
02:16:06,720 --> 02:16:07,560
already. 
Maybe. 

2585
02:16:07,560 --> 02:16:12,240
I mean, maybe they had because 
of Erius's groundwork, maybe 

2586
02:16:12,240 --> 02:16:15,000
that was just common knowledge 
at court because it had been 

2587
02:16:15,000 --> 02:16:16,720
made a big deal. 
They wouldn't just say Prince 

2588
02:16:16,720 --> 02:16:18,200
that was promised. 
That sounds cool. 

2589
02:16:18,200 --> 02:16:19,800
I don't need to know anything 
more than that though. 

2590
02:16:20,080 --> 02:16:21,480
No, you feel like, wait, what is
that? 

2591
02:16:22,000 --> 02:16:25,120
At some point they would have 
asked and maybe learned and 

2592
02:16:25,120 --> 02:16:28,160
maybe been told and who knows, 
that we don't have anything to 

2593
02:16:28,160 --> 02:16:32,920
go on as as far as specifics. 
Of course, like the dreamers, we

2594
02:16:32,920 --> 02:16:36,240
can assume some Targaryens learn
some things that history does 

2595
02:16:36,240 --> 02:16:40,320
not record supernatural dreams, 
things they learned in text that

2596
02:16:40,320 --> 02:16:43,559
they didn't make mainstream 
because it might make them seem 

2597
02:16:43,559 --> 02:16:45,520
crazy or because they wanted to 
keep it a secret for other 

2598
02:16:45,520 --> 02:16:48,120
reasons. 
And in terms of history not 

2599
02:16:48,120 --> 02:16:50,360
recording things, George is very
consistent with that. 

2600
02:16:50,840 --> 02:16:53,680
The word prophecy only appears 
once in the World of Ice and 

2601
02:16:53,680 --> 02:16:55,520
Fire, and it's in reference to 
Aries. 

2602
02:16:55,520 --> 02:17:00,480
The first only three cases of 
the word vision being used in a 

2603
02:17:00,480 --> 02:17:02,400
supernatural context in the 
World of Ice and Fire. 

2604
02:17:02,400 --> 02:17:07,799
Also one being the High Septon 
claiming he had a vision to not 

2605
02:17:07,799 --> 02:17:12,320
fight egg on the Conqueror. 
So I think that was not a real 

2606
02:17:12,320 --> 02:17:16,600
vision, just a a common sense 
that he framed as a message from

2607
02:17:16,600 --> 02:17:19,480
the gods. 
But also Baylor the blessed 

2608
02:17:19,480 --> 02:17:24,040
dreamed of the great Sept, which
that I kind of take on his take 

2609
02:17:24,040 --> 02:17:29,120
is is accurate as because I bet 
Baylor was sincere. 

2610
02:17:29,680 --> 02:17:33,120
But I mean, he also wanted this.
He probably just wanted to build

2611
02:17:33,120 --> 02:17:37,320
a big church, Stannis Baratheon 
says. the Super chat says. 

2612
02:17:37,320 --> 02:17:40,440
Does Aegon's strategy post 
conquest make sense to you? 

2613
02:17:40,440 --> 02:17:43,160
If he envisioned a northern 
threat, no relationship was 

2614
02:17:43,160 --> 02:17:45,559
really established with the 
North and actually weakening the

2615
02:17:45,559 --> 02:17:48,400
wall in many ways. 
Can I say First off how funny it

2616
02:17:48,400 --> 02:17:51,840
is the name that's asking this 
question picturing like actual 

2617
02:17:51,840 --> 02:17:54,559
Stannis ask anyways. 
That is really funny. 

2618
02:17:54,879 --> 02:17:56,799
Stannis is like, yeah, these 
guys didn't do it right. 

2619
02:17:56,799 --> 02:17:58,840
Yeah, Stannis would would point 
out the flaws here. 

2620
02:17:58,840 --> 02:18:00,200
That's Stannis for you. 
I got it. 

2621
02:18:00,240 --> 02:18:02,959
I I like that. 
I appreciate that there are some

2622
02:18:03,320 --> 02:18:06,480
possible flaws here, or it can 
be a little hard to frame. 

2623
02:18:06,480 --> 02:18:09,520
I agree with that. 
But I can also see it as Aegon 

2624
02:18:09,520 --> 02:18:14,480
was too focused on establishing 
the realm like he did the 

2625
02:18:14,480 --> 02:18:16,840
conquest. 
It wasn't over then. 

2626
02:18:16,959 --> 02:18:22,080
He still had to keep the realm 
together and make that all work,

2627
02:18:22,080 --> 02:18:25,160
make sure that would last. 
I think he was more focused on 

2628
02:18:25,160 --> 02:18:26,520
that. 
So that's kind of where I land 

2629
02:18:26,520 --> 02:18:27,440
on it. 
Yeah, he may have. 

2630
02:18:28,200 --> 02:18:31,920
He did the thing that he needed 
to do, which was unite Westeros,

2631
02:18:31,920 --> 02:18:34,639
but if he didn't keep working on
that, it would it it would lose 

2632
02:18:34,639 --> 02:18:36,360
it all. 
And then what good would it have

2633
02:18:36,360 --> 02:18:37,959
been? 
So I, I, that's kind of how I 

2634
02:18:37,959 --> 02:18:40,879
look at it that he was really 
focused on just making sure it 

2635
02:18:40,879 --> 02:18:44,240
would last rather he wasn't too 
worried about the short term. 

2636
02:18:44,240 --> 02:18:46,559
Yes, a nice watch was starting 
to decline under his Well, 

2637
02:18:46,559 --> 02:18:49,639
absolutely. 
Aegon's Conquest absolutely 

2638
02:18:49,639 --> 02:18:51,480
screwed the nights Watch's 
numbers up. 

2639
02:18:51,480 --> 02:18:57,240
Like they just lost the ability 
to get new members when wars 

2640
02:18:57,240 --> 02:18:59,240
ended. 
Like you have the Reach fights 

2641
02:18:59,240 --> 02:19:02,680
the West, the losing side, a 
bunch of people get sent to the 

2642
02:19:02,680 --> 02:19:04,719
wall. 
Well, with unification that 

2643
02:19:04,719 --> 02:19:07,200
never happens anymore. 
The the kingdoms aren't fighting

2644
02:19:07,200 --> 02:19:10,760
each other. 
There's there's no mass sending 

2645
02:19:10,760 --> 02:19:12,879
of people to the wall at once. 
It rarely happens. 

2646
02:19:12,879 --> 02:19:14,959
I mean, it did happen 
occasionally even under Aegon 

2647
02:19:14,959 --> 02:19:17,040
and and later Targaryens, but it
was a lot rarer. 

2648
02:19:17,600 --> 02:19:20,240
So yeah. 
But that's a short term problem.

2649
02:19:20,440 --> 02:19:23,400
If Aegon's belief is that this 
is a long way in the future, 

2650
02:19:23,400 --> 02:19:25,240
he's not going to be worried 
about the short term of the 

2651
02:19:25,240 --> 02:19:27,680
Nights Watch. 
I think you can explain it away,

2652
02:19:28,200 --> 02:19:34,360
but you need to bring up several
points, several reasons, and I 

2653
02:19:34,360 --> 02:19:38,120
think it works. 
It's not as clean as a lot of 

2654
02:19:38,120 --> 02:19:40,000
these other things, but it it 
works. 

2655
02:19:40,000 --> 02:19:43,240
Yeah, He weakened the wall, yes,
but it was a short term thing. 

2656
02:19:44,160 --> 02:19:46,000
It it depends on what he saw in 
his visions too. 

2657
02:19:46,000 --> 02:19:48,640
Maybe his visions told him that 
this would work itself out. 

2658
02:19:49,040 --> 02:19:52,040
There's a lot missing here that 
could explain it, as some of his

2659
02:19:52,040 --> 02:19:53,880
is just left up to George's 
imagination. 

2660
02:19:54,000 --> 02:19:57,720
And if, as Ryan Condell 
indicated, George is going to 

2661
02:19:57,720 --> 02:19:59,800
tell us more about this someday,
well, yeah, then we'll get 

2662
02:19:59,800 --> 02:20:02,520
answers. 
So I think that this is 

2663
02:20:02,720 --> 02:20:07,120
something that's forthcoming, 
the three headed dragon. 

2664
02:20:07,520 --> 02:20:09,680
This to me, is one of the most 
interesting aspects of this 

2665
02:20:09,680 --> 02:20:12,120
episode because there's some 
underexplored connections 

2666
02:20:12,120 --> 02:20:14,840
between Aegon and Daenerys. 
Obviously, on the surface, 

2667
02:20:15,440 --> 02:20:19,720
Aegon, 33 heads of the dragon, 
him, Vicenya, Rainey's, there 

2668
02:20:19,720 --> 02:20:21,400
was only three Dragons alive at 
the time. 

2669
02:20:21,720 --> 02:20:24,160
That part straightforward from 
matching A3 headed dragon. 

2670
02:20:24,400 --> 02:20:27,920
Same for Daenerys. 
She's reborn, or she's born and 

2671
02:20:27,920 --> 02:20:30,280
the Dragons are reborn, and 
there's three of them, so of 

2672
02:20:30,280 --> 02:20:32,480
course. 
And she's intends to take the 

2673
02:20:32,480 --> 02:20:34,320
throne of Westeros. 
So there's obvious reasons for 

2674
02:20:34,320 --> 02:20:37,240
her to compare herself to Aegon 
in a mundane way, but also in a 

2675
02:20:37,240 --> 02:20:40,680
supernatural, prophetic way. 
And let's recall what Rhaegar 

2676
02:20:40,680 --> 02:20:42,200
said. 
Remember way back earlier in 

2677
02:20:42,200 --> 02:20:43,800
this episode, I said we'd come 
back to this. 

2678
02:20:44,080 --> 02:20:47,600
It was too much to cover at 
once, trying to take small bites

2679
02:20:47,600 --> 02:20:51,160
here rather than huge bites. 
Rhaegar said there must be one 

2680
02:20:51,160 --> 02:20:53,920
more. 
The dragon has three heads. 

2681
02:20:54,680 --> 02:20:56,840
He didn't say the dragon must 
have 3 heads by the way. 

2682
02:20:56,840 --> 02:20:59,280
That's an important distinction.
He said the dragon has three 

2683
02:20:59,280 --> 02:21:02,080
heads. 
So Rhaegar clearly seemed to 

2684
02:21:02,080 --> 02:21:04,520
interpret this as he needed 
three children because he was 

2685
02:21:04,520 --> 02:21:06,720
referring to two kids and 
needing one more. 

2686
02:21:07,000 --> 02:21:09,600
He must not have seen the stone 
Dragons part as literal if he 

2687
02:21:09,600 --> 02:21:12,800
was aware of this prophecy, 
which he must have been. 

2688
02:21:13,520 --> 02:21:15,880
He doesn't care about the stone 
Dragons waking up. 

2689
02:21:15,880 --> 02:21:17,920
Or he must have looked at that 
as some sort of metaphor and 

2690
02:21:17,920 --> 02:21:21,040
been like no, that's nothing Or 
that's something later because 

2691
02:21:21,040 --> 02:21:23,960
he doesn't seem to be referring 
to that or caring about that. 

2692
02:21:23,960 --> 02:21:27,480
He's focused on the three 
princelings, the three heads of 

2693
02:21:27,480 --> 02:21:29,920
the dragon from a Targaryen 
perspective, not 3 literal 

2694
02:21:29,920 --> 02:21:33,680
Dragons with Danny. 
Well these three literal Dragons

2695
02:21:33,680 --> 02:21:36,560
come on pretty early on, so 
she's obviously going to focus 

2696
02:21:36,560 --> 02:21:39,440
on that now. 
We also find out that Aries 

2697
02:21:39,440 --> 02:21:43,800
tried to hatch Dragons but 
Rhaegar didn't, and Rhaegar's 

2698
02:21:43,800 --> 02:21:45,720
the one that seems to have more 
information. 

2699
02:21:45,720 --> 02:21:49,520
And Aries was obviously insane 
too, so we can easily discount 

2700
02:21:49,520 --> 02:21:52,360
that. 
During the House of the Undying 

2701
02:21:52,440 --> 02:21:54,960
is when Danny gets this vision 
of radar. 

2702
02:21:54,960 --> 02:21:58,840
But she also gets this at one 
point. 

2703
02:21:58,920 --> 02:22:03,400
It's 3 fires, must you like 3 
loves blah blah blah 3 heads as 

2704
02:22:03,400 --> 02:22:04,800
the dragon is one of the lines 
in there. 

2705
02:22:04,800 --> 02:22:07,880
So it's kind of repeated. 
It is in a separate part of her 

2706
02:22:07,880 --> 02:22:09,560
jaunt through the House of the 
Undying. 

2707
02:22:10,120 --> 02:22:12,120
It's all very predictive and 
Riddle ish. 

2708
02:22:12,520 --> 02:22:16,520
Obviously they're not informing 
her that she has three Dragons. 

2709
02:22:16,520 --> 02:22:19,360
She knows that. 
So what do they mean when they 

2710
02:22:19,360 --> 02:22:22,240
say 3 heads as the dragon? 
They aren't talking about the 

2711
02:22:22,240 --> 02:22:25,880
obvious, I don't think. 
And if it's talking about dragon

2712
02:22:25,880 --> 02:22:28,960
riders, which is maybe what the 
angle Rhaegar was seeming to 

2713
02:22:28,960 --> 02:22:31,240
take, well that's another 
problem. 

2714
02:22:31,840 --> 02:22:35,760
Because as Danny herself notes, 
there aren't even 3 living 

2715
02:22:35,760 --> 02:22:39,440
Targaryens. 
Probably as she sees it, maybe 

2716
02:22:39,440 --> 02:22:44,720
there are, but if you count John
as one of them and the other 

2717
02:22:44,720 --> 02:22:48,120
one, well, ironically, even 
though I think most of us 

2718
02:22:48,120 --> 02:22:53,320
believe that Aegon Young Griff 
is a black fire, that would give

2719
02:22:53,320 --> 02:22:56,680
him some Targaryen blood anyway.
But even he would be a better 

2720
02:22:56,680 --> 02:22:58,080
candidate for a head of the 
dragon. 

2721
02:22:58,080 --> 02:23:00,600
If he was actually Rhaegar's 
son, he would be, you know, 

2722
02:23:01,160 --> 02:23:05,640
Danny's niece or nephew rather. 
So that's a much closer 

2723
02:23:05,640 --> 02:23:08,800
relationship. 
So it's always stuck out as one 

2724
02:23:09,440 --> 02:23:15,400
little point that makes me not 
100% sold that Aegon is a black 

2725
02:23:15,400 --> 02:23:18,240
fire, even though that's still 
clearly where I land given what 

2726
02:23:18,240 --> 02:23:21,240
I know. 
And if Danny is introduced to 

2727
02:23:21,240 --> 02:23:22,800
this three heads must have the 
dragon thing. 

2728
02:23:22,800 --> 02:23:26,840
She hears this from a prophecy. 
She's already hatched 3 Dragons.

2729
02:23:26,840 --> 02:23:31,000
So she's like OK, that could 
lead her to realizing that she's

2730
02:23:31,000 --> 02:23:32,440
fulfilling this prophecy 
herself. 

2731
02:23:32,960 --> 02:23:35,200
But here's where I think it gets
really interesting when you 

2732
02:23:35,200 --> 02:23:37,240
combine this notion with Aegon's
dream. 

2733
02:23:38,040 --> 02:23:40,600
House Targaryen didn't have a 
sigil before Aegon. 

2734
02:23:40,920 --> 02:23:44,640
They didn't bother with that 
piece of Andal heraldry during 

2735
02:23:44,640 --> 02:23:47,120
the Lords of Dragonstone era. 
Aynar didn't have one. 

2736
02:23:47,120 --> 02:23:48,640
Game of the Glorious didn't 
bother with that. 

2737
02:23:48,640 --> 02:23:52,960
It was when the Conquest began, 
Aegon and his sisters unfurled 

2738
02:23:52,960 --> 02:23:56,000
their new 3 headed sigil for the
first time. 

2739
02:23:56,760 --> 02:23:59,280
It yes it looks like a reference
to themselves. 

2740
02:23:59,280 --> 02:24:01,360
The three siblings are the three
heads with three Dragons. 

2741
02:24:01,360 --> 02:24:08,160
But if he also had a dream that 
Rhaegar later followed up on, 

2742
02:24:08,960 --> 02:24:11,120
did he dream of the three headed
dragon? 

2743
02:24:11,120 --> 02:24:15,000
2 This, the dragon must have 3 
heads and that's why the sigil 

2744
02:24:15,000 --> 02:24:20,720
fits so well for them. 
He's like we are the exposition,

2745
02:24:20,720 --> 02:24:23,120
we are the explanation here. 
We are the result of this 

2746
02:24:23,120 --> 02:24:25,040
prophecy. 
We are fulfilling the prophecy. 

2747
02:24:25,040 --> 02:24:27,720
There's three heads, three of 
us, three Dragons. 

2748
02:24:28,080 --> 02:24:32,240
It must be us. 
Danny's starting on that same 

2749
02:24:32,240 --> 02:24:34,840
track of realizing it's going to
be her and the people are going 

2750
02:24:34,840 --> 02:24:39,800
to tell her that she's the one. 
So you can see why if Aegon had 

2751
02:24:39,800 --> 02:24:42,360
this dream and then these things
happen, it's like, well it's all

2752
02:24:42,360 --> 02:24:45,680
coming true. 
He had a dream of vague cold and

2753
02:24:45,680 --> 02:24:47,080
darkness. 
He had a dream of the others 

2754
02:24:47,080 --> 02:24:49,200
invading. 
So there could be a connection 

2755
02:24:49,200 --> 02:24:55,080
here of he perceives the others 
and realizes the Dragons are 

2756
02:24:55,080 --> 02:24:56,920
needed to stop that because of 
his dream. 

2757
02:24:57,240 --> 02:25:01,240
There's a three headed dragon in
his dream or some sort of phrase

2758
02:25:01,240 --> 02:25:03,600
that pops up in his mind as he's
dreaming that says the dragon 

2759
02:25:03,600 --> 02:25:06,600
must have 3 heads or he reads 
about that somewhere or both. 

2760
02:25:08,480 --> 02:25:13,120
It it's very telling he would 
the sigil has a lot more meaning

2761
02:25:13,120 --> 02:25:15,400
there. 
It's also a prophetic device, 

2762
02:25:15,400 --> 02:25:18,280
not just a thing that matches 
who they were at the time 

2763
02:25:18,560 --> 02:25:21,800
because it's the the the 
prophecy would be the reason why

2764
02:25:21,800 --> 02:25:23,240
they made such a big deal out of
that. 

2765
02:25:23,240 --> 02:25:26,760
Be like hey, this all aligns 
exactly like dreams and books 

2766
02:25:26,760 --> 02:25:30,520
and and or visions tell us this 
must be happening, it must be 

2767
02:25:30,520 --> 02:25:35,120
real, must be us. 
So it's a good theory in my mind

2768
02:25:35,120 --> 02:25:40,080
that Aegon also had this 3 
headed dragon dream thing that 

2769
02:25:40,280 --> 02:25:45,520
much later Rhaegar read about or
maybe also dreamed about and for

2770
02:25:45,520 --> 02:25:48,320
all we know this was written 
down by Aegon himself. 

2771
02:25:48,320 --> 02:25:51,520
That would be a wild little 
thing to find out like that this

2772
02:25:51,520 --> 02:25:55,240
survived somehow Baylor didn't 
burn it and that's that 

2773
02:25:55,240 --> 02:25:58,200
happened. 
So this is actually a recurring 

2774
02:25:58,200 --> 02:26:00,760
possibility for a lot of the 
dragon dreamers is that they 

2775
02:26:00,920 --> 02:26:04,160
think they're the ones or 
they're dreaming. 

2776
02:26:04,160 --> 02:26:08,000
They're dreaming of their own 
descendant or relation farther 

2777
02:26:08,000 --> 02:26:10,240
down the timeline and thinking 
it's themselves. 

2778
02:26:10,320 --> 02:26:11,840
That's part of why that works so
well. 

2779
02:26:12,520 --> 02:26:14,200
Danny thinks she needs two men 
to trust. 

2780
02:26:14,200 --> 02:26:17,160
That's a thought she has three 
against the world is here's her 

2781
02:26:17,160 --> 02:26:19,000
thought like Aegon and his 
sisters. 

2782
02:26:19,280 --> 02:26:20,680
But who would those? 
Who would they be? 

2783
02:26:20,680 --> 02:26:22,400
She thinks about it like a 
Darian. 

2784
02:26:23,720 --> 02:26:27,920
Jorah nominated himself and 
she's like Amon Maester Amon's 

2785
02:26:27,920 --> 02:26:30,000
like, oh, I should be 1, but I'm
too old and frail. 

2786
02:26:30,000 --> 02:26:33,280
He says that to Sam. 
So if Sam and Daenerys ever 

2787
02:26:33,280 --> 02:26:36,000
meet, well, that's something 
they'll talk about. 

2788
02:26:36,000 --> 02:26:39,040
Or you, you you would hope so if
Sam, and maybe Sam is too afraid

2789
02:26:39,200 --> 02:26:43,320
to bring that up, but it's it's 
a it's quite an ice breaker. 

2790
02:26:43,480 --> 02:26:46,200
Like, hey, I knew you're the 
great uncle. 

2791
02:26:46,200 --> 02:26:48,760
What is Eamon's relation? 
Yeah, anyway. 

2792
02:26:48,920 --> 02:26:51,520
And he had a lot of information 
for you might rather than just 

2793
02:26:51,520 --> 02:26:54,200
his, whatever his familial 
connection is, it's it's it's 

2794
02:26:54,200 --> 02:26:56,360
his information is, is far more 
important. 

2795
02:26:56,360 --> 02:26:59,360
And it's hard to predict because
Danny will have come a lot 

2796
02:26:59,440 --> 02:27:01,360
farther along in her knowledge 
by that point. 

2797
02:27:02,160 --> 02:27:04,720
This is openly discussed during 
A Feast for Crows in the 1st 

2798
02:27:04,720 --> 02:27:07,120
chapter in the prologue by the 
companions at the Quill and 

2799
02:27:07,120 --> 02:27:11,840
Tankard. 
Alaris says some kind of self 

2800
02:27:11,840 --> 02:27:15,600
defeating, not self defeating. 
But she kind of contradicts 

2801
02:27:15,600 --> 02:27:17,400
herself a little bit in a funny 
way. 

2802
02:27:17,400 --> 02:27:19,440
She says I'll tell you what I 
suspect. 

2803
02:27:20,160 --> 02:27:22,480
And then she says the dragon has
three heads. 

2804
02:27:23,360 --> 02:27:25,720
But that's not a Riddle. 
She says what? 

2805
02:27:25,760 --> 02:27:28,560
Yes, it is. 
And you're the Sphinx, of course

2806
02:27:28,560 --> 02:27:31,360
you're speaking in riddles. 
So that's all like, wait a 

2807
02:27:31,360 --> 02:27:32,720
minute. 
Come on, Alaris. 

2808
02:27:33,280 --> 02:27:36,680
You know, that's a Riddle. 
You just, it's a phrase that no 

2809
02:27:36,680 --> 02:27:40,800
one knows the meaning to. 
So yeah, that's maybe not 

2810
02:27:40,800 --> 02:27:43,000
technically a Riddle because 
it's not asking a question, but 

2811
02:27:43,000 --> 02:27:45,800
it is definitely like a, a 
thinker, like a, a puzzle or 

2812
02:27:45,800 --> 02:27:48,880
like, what does that mean? 
And she doesn't elaborate. 

2813
02:27:48,880 --> 02:27:51,200
So. 
Yeah. 

2814
02:27:51,880 --> 02:27:55,000
So Rhaegar brought it up. 
Danny, here's the phrase in the 

2815
02:27:55,000 --> 02:27:58,400
house, the undying drink from 
the cup of ice slash fire, 3 

2816
02:27:58,400 --> 02:28:01,440
heads has the dragon, all these 
phrases. 

2817
02:28:02,040 --> 02:28:04,200
Melisandre doesn't say anything 
about a three headed dragon, 

2818
02:28:04,200 --> 02:28:07,840
neither does Benero. 
So the Azure high myths don't 

2819
02:28:07,840 --> 02:28:09,200
bring in a three headed dragon 
thing. 

2820
02:28:09,200 --> 02:28:12,480
That's something that comes from
just the dragon dreamers as far 

2821
02:28:12,480 --> 02:28:18,360
as we can tell just from Aegon, 
just from Danny, just from 

2822
02:28:18,360 --> 02:28:20,160
Rhaegar. 
And Rhaegar may not have dreamed

2823
02:28:20,160 --> 02:28:21,240
it. 
He may have just read about it. 

2824
02:28:21,240 --> 02:28:22,560
So where did it get written 
down? 

2825
02:28:22,560 --> 02:28:26,400
Who wrote that down? 
Is that also is that tar text 

2826
02:28:26,400 --> 02:28:29,440
that Melisandre never saw? 
No one on the red priest saw 

2827
02:28:29,440 --> 02:28:30,640
that? 
Well, that'd be interesting. 

2828
02:28:31,160 --> 02:28:33,920
And the way George expresses 
this sort of like the ice and 

2829
02:28:33,920 --> 02:28:37,000
fire themes that aren't directly
supernatural but show us how he 

2830
02:28:37,000 --> 02:28:40,720
views them conceptually. 
Elementally. 3 headed dragon is 

2831
02:28:40,720 --> 02:28:44,040
hatched and carved as one of the
rumors that gets floated during 

2832
02:28:44,040 --> 02:28:45,320
the prologue of A Feast for 
Crows. 

2833
02:28:46,160 --> 02:28:48,480
Three becomes one other way 
around. 

2834
02:28:48,600 --> 02:28:50,520
Yeah, it's the way the rumor is 
expressed. 

2835
02:28:50,520 --> 02:28:54,200
It's not a three headed dragon, 
but we see how the same 

2836
02:28:54,200 --> 02:28:57,320
conceptual thing happens. 
The rumor turns into a three 

2837
02:28:57,320 --> 02:29:00,600
headed dragon instead of three 
regular Dragons. 

2838
02:29:01,160 --> 02:29:03,320
And maybe in the world of 
dreams, you could see how the 

2839
02:29:03,320 --> 02:29:06,320
same thing would happen, how one
would be perceived as three or 

2840
02:29:06,320 --> 02:29:08,000
three as one or something in 
between. 

2841
02:29:09,000 --> 02:29:13,200
Again, the riders, Jon Snow and 
Aegon, you know, I really don't 

2842
02:29:13,200 --> 02:29:15,160
know who else it could be. 
So this is a this is a peculiar 

2843
02:29:15,160 --> 02:29:16,800
thing. 
Like a lot of people, this is 

2844
02:29:16,800 --> 02:29:19,840
one of the reasons Tyrion 
Targaryen has some legs to it 

2845
02:29:20,280 --> 02:29:24,840
because this out of sheer lack 
of Valyrian potential dragon 

2846
02:29:24,840 --> 02:29:26,560
writers, it's like, well, who 
else could it be? 

2847
02:29:26,960 --> 02:29:30,120
So that that's why it's it's a 
lack of options that lead to 

2848
02:29:30,120 --> 02:29:31,680
some of these Wilder theories, I
think. 

2849
02:29:32,080 --> 02:29:34,320
So there's probably some missing
information here that might 

2850
02:29:34,320 --> 02:29:36,640
maybe clear some of this up that
we just don't have. 

2851
02:29:37,320 --> 02:29:42,360
Speaking of John, let's now 
consider his, for lack of better

2852
02:29:42,360 --> 02:29:47,840
words, Ice and Fire dream quote.
Burning shafts hissed upward, 

2853
02:29:48,080 --> 02:29:52,600
trailing tongues of fire. 
Scarecrow brothers tumbled down,

2854
02:29:52,880 --> 02:29:55,800
black cloaks ablaze. 
Snow. 

2855
02:29:56,000 --> 02:30:00,480
An eagle cried as foemen 
scuttled up the ice like 

2856
02:30:00,480 --> 02:30:04,280
spiders. 
John was armoured in black ice, 

2857
02:30:04,640 --> 02:30:07,400
but his blade burned red in his 
first. 

2858
02:30:07,920 --> 02:30:12,240
As the dead men reached the top 
of the wall, he set them down to

2859
02:30:12,240 --> 02:30:15,400
die again. 
He slew a Gray beard and a 

2860
02:30:15,400 --> 02:30:21,360
beardless boy, a giant, a gaunt 
man with filed teeth, a girl 

2861
02:30:21,360 --> 02:30:24,960
with thick red hair. 
Too late, he recognized, he 

2862
02:30:24,960 --> 02:30:27,720
grit. 
She was gone as quick as she'd 

2863
02:30:27,720 --> 02:30:31,520
appeared. 
So this dream has a notable 

2864
02:30:31,520 --> 02:30:34,360
connection to multiple other 
tales we've covered today. 

2865
02:30:34,720 --> 02:30:37,160
For example, the ice spider 
scuttling up like spiders. 

2866
02:30:37,160 --> 02:30:40,280
That's the only other mention of
it, of the spider, of the ice 

2867
02:30:40,320 --> 02:30:42,560
spiders, other than maybe Sam 
brings them up in a book. 

2868
02:30:42,800 --> 02:30:45,640
So that's interesting, that 
connection. 

2869
02:30:45,640 --> 02:30:50,120
It's the last hero story, so 
that having a connection to John

2870
02:30:50,720 --> 02:30:53,360
is interesting. 
The burning blade thing, that's 

2871
02:30:53,360 --> 02:30:54,720
what we learned about 
Lightbringers. 

2872
02:30:54,720 --> 02:30:58,560
It's supposed to turn to fire 
when it's in combat, which this 

2873
02:30:58,560 --> 02:31:01,640
dream is absolutely portraying. 
He kills a grey beard, a 

2874
02:31:01,640 --> 02:31:04,080
beardless boy, a giant, 
etcetera. 

2875
02:31:04,920 --> 02:31:06,160
It could just be Longclaw, 
right? 

2876
02:31:06,160 --> 02:31:09,840
But let's and then Dragon Steel 
from the last Euro tales. 

2877
02:31:09,840 --> 02:31:11,280
How is this all wrapped up 
together? 

2878
02:31:11,440 --> 02:31:13,320
I don't know, but I think those 
are the elements we need to 

2879
02:31:13,320 --> 02:31:15,480
consider. 
So these are whites. 

2880
02:31:15,480 --> 02:31:17,520
He doesn't call them whites, but
there he says they're dead men. 

2881
02:31:17,520 --> 02:31:19,960
Same difference, but he 
recognizes some of them. 

2882
02:31:20,560 --> 02:31:24,160
And I think this is a bit of 
foreshadowing or reminding us 

2883
02:31:24,160 --> 02:31:26,240
that this will happen again. 
And Grit's already dead at this 

2884
02:31:26,240 --> 02:31:29,320
point, but it's a warning of 
what's to come from any care. 

2885
02:31:29,320 --> 02:31:36,320
A lot of characters will find 
themselves fighting their own 

2886
02:31:36,320 --> 02:31:38,880
dead friends or people, at least
people they knew That. 

2887
02:31:38,880 --> 02:31:43,920
Yeah, scary. 
Also, we're told I, I briefly 

2888
02:31:43,920 --> 02:31:47,320
touched on this before, but Sam,
one of Sam's chapters starts 

2889
02:31:47,320 --> 02:31:50,040
with he was reading about the 
others when the mouse, blah, 

2890
02:31:50,040 --> 02:31:54,160
blah, blah. 
He was reading for like so long 

2891
02:31:54,360 --> 02:31:56,280
that he lost track of time. 
He thinks maybe it was more than

2892
02:31:56,280 --> 02:31:59,400
a day and he had a stack of 
books that he was reading. 

2893
02:31:59,400 --> 02:32:01,000
He was reading a book about 
dragonkind. 

2894
02:32:01,000 --> 02:32:02,320
He was reading a book about the 
others. 

2895
02:32:02,320 --> 02:32:03,720
He was reading about the last 
hero. 

2896
02:32:04,440 --> 02:32:07,800
Very little of this comes out in
his words later. 

2897
02:32:08,320 --> 02:32:11,160
So we have a lot of books that 
Sam has read that he hasn't 

2898
02:32:11,160 --> 02:32:13,880
actually like talked about or 
shared that information with 

2899
02:32:13,880 --> 02:32:14,840
anybody. 
So I think that's something 

2900
02:32:14,840 --> 02:32:17,480
George is holding on to for 
later, but it's so it's 

2901
02:32:17,560 --> 02:32:19,320
something to keep an eye on 
because Sam has a lot of 

2902
02:32:19,320 --> 02:32:20,720
knowledge that he hasn't 
revealed yet. 

2903
02:32:21,480 --> 02:32:24,120
And now he's at the Citadel 
where there's just even way more

2904
02:32:24,120 --> 02:32:26,360
knowledge. 
So what that could do is 

2905
02:32:27,000 --> 02:32:29,080
corroborate some of what he's 
already learned. 

2906
02:32:29,080 --> 02:32:31,760
He could find books that are 
like mentioning the same things 

2907
02:32:31,760 --> 02:32:35,760
that he's either witnessed in 
person or read in books at the 

2908
02:32:35,760 --> 02:32:39,240
Wall, which as we've been told, 
the book the the Wall has some 

2909
02:32:39,240 --> 02:32:42,520
pretty rare books. 
So that and a substantial 

2910
02:32:42,520 --> 02:32:47,160
library on top of that. 
So a lot of potential there for 

2911
02:32:47,160 --> 02:32:50,880
some connections to be made for 
George to go a little farther 

2912
02:32:50,880 --> 02:32:54,480
with the written prophecies, or 
at least the written information

2913
02:32:54,840 --> 02:32:58,960
by Maester's long gone. 
Let's move from the from John to

2914
02:32:58,960 --> 02:33:01,560
the foes he's dreaming of. 
And I don't mean the whites, but

2915
02:33:01,560 --> 02:33:05,560
the ones sending them the others
a meaning, or rather the others 

2916
02:33:06,080 --> 02:33:09,280
as this is actually written. 
So some of the stories mention 

2917
02:33:09,280 --> 02:33:12,920
the Others, but none of the 
prophecies do. 

2918
02:33:13,440 --> 02:33:15,440
How interesting is that? 
There's vague mentions of a 

2919
02:33:15,440 --> 02:33:18,880
great darkness and overwhelming 
cold that it's from the North. 

2920
02:33:19,880 --> 02:33:23,480
Dreams have them, books have 
them, stories have them. 

2921
02:33:24,200 --> 02:33:27,920
None of the prophecies do. 
Part of this is perhaps or 

2922
02:33:27,920 --> 02:33:31,640
surely because the Others were 
not a worldwide phenomenon. 

2923
02:33:31,880 --> 02:33:34,400
The darkness was everywhere. 
It was global, but the Others 

2924
02:33:34,400 --> 02:33:35,440
weren't. 
The Others were just in 

2925
02:33:35,440 --> 02:33:37,120
Westeros. 
Maybe Westeros might have gotten

2926
02:33:37,120 --> 02:33:40,000
the short end of that stick. 
The entire hemisphere, if not 

2927
02:33:40,000 --> 02:33:44,120
world got the Long Night, but 
only Westeros got the Others. 

2928
02:33:44,480 --> 02:33:47,080
That is how it's worded in Old 
Nan's tale sorta. 

2929
02:33:47,360 --> 02:33:51,320
She says in that darkness the 
Others came for the first time. 

2930
02:33:52,040 --> 02:33:54,880
Some of the texts say that the 
Others brought the darkness with

2931
02:33:54,880 --> 02:33:59,680
them, but she frames it as the 
Others emerged in the dark. 

2932
02:33:59,680 --> 02:34:02,280
The the darkness is what allowed
them to come back. 

2933
02:34:03,120 --> 02:34:05,480
Melisandre, like I said, didn't 
necessarily show any prior 

2934
02:34:05,480 --> 02:34:08,600
knowledge of them, but that 
doesn't mean she didn't have 

2935
02:34:08,600 --> 02:34:11,240
knowledge of them. 
Again, she definitely calls them

2936
02:34:11,240 --> 02:34:12,760
the cold children of the great 
other. 

2937
02:34:13,080 --> 02:34:18,280
And now here is one of the first
clues to any of this. 

2938
02:34:18,280 --> 02:34:21,120
We're going all the way back to 
the beginning, the three eyed 

2939
02:34:21,120 --> 02:34:24,840
crow showing Bran what was far 
to the north. 

2940
02:34:25,520 --> 02:34:29,080
If we interpret this as blood 
Raven, which I do a plus blood 

2941
02:34:29,080 --> 02:34:32,160
Ravens knowledge that he's 
gleaned from the weirwood 

2942
02:34:32,160 --> 02:34:34,600
network. 
So this is brand 3A Game of 

2943
02:34:34,600 --> 02:34:36,840
Thrones when he's in a coma 
quote. 

2944
02:34:38,040 --> 02:34:42,600
He saw the wall shining like 
blue crystal, and his bastard 

2945
02:34:42,600 --> 02:34:47,720
brother John sleeping alone in a
cold bed, his skin growing pale 

2946
02:34:47,720 --> 02:34:51,120
and hard as the memory of all 
warmth fled from him. 

2947
02:34:51,120 --> 02:34:56,520
And he looked past the wall, 
past endless forests cloaked in 

2948
02:34:56,520 --> 02:35:01,400
snow, past the frozen shore and 
the great blue white rivers of 

2949
02:35:01,400 --> 02:35:06,200
ice and the dead plains where 
nothing grew or lived, north and

2950
02:35:06,200 --> 02:35:09,640
north and N. 
He looked to the curtain of 

2951
02:35:09,640 --> 02:35:14,120
light at the end of the world, 
and then yawned that curtain. 

2952
02:35:14,640 --> 02:35:16,920
He looked deep into the heart of
winter. 

2953
02:35:17,480 --> 02:35:22,320
And then he cried out, afraid, 
and the heat of his tears burned

2954
02:35:22,320 --> 02:35:26,280
on his cheeks. 
Now you know, the crow whispered

2955
02:35:26,280 --> 02:35:30,560
as it sat on his shoulder. 
Now you know why you must live. 

2956
02:35:31,160 --> 02:35:34,800
Why? 
Fran said, not understanding. 

2957
02:35:35,320 --> 02:35:38,640
Falling. 
Falling because winter is 

2958
02:35:38,640 --> 02:35:41,400
coming. 
Bran looked at the crow on his 

2959
02:35:41,400 --> 02:35:44,360
shoulder, and the crow looked 
back. 

2960
02:35:44,800 --> 02:35:49,360
It had three eyes, and the third
eye was full of a terrible 

2961
02:35:49,360 --> 02:35:52,120
knowledge. 
Bran looked down. 

2962
02:35:52,680 --> 02:35:58,240
There was nothing below him now 
but snow and cold and death, a 

2963
02:35:58,240 --> 02:36:03,000
frozen wasteland where jagged 
blue white Spires of ice waited 

2964
02:36:03,000 --> 02:36:06,720
to embrace him. 
They flew up at him like Spears.

2965
02:36:07,320 --> 02:36:12,200
He saw the bones of 1000 other 
dreamers impaled upon their 

2966
02:36:12,200 --> 02:36:15,800
points. 
He was desperately afraid. 

2967
02:36:16,840 --> 02:36:22,720
Just the imagery there of this 
frozen wasteland of where the 

2968
02:36:22,720 --> 02:36:26,560
others may emerge from, where 
their home may be, where they 

2969
02:36:26,560 --> 02:36:30,400
first came from, the the 
thousand other dreamers impaled 

2970
02:36:30,400 --> 02:36:34,800
on their dream points. 
That is creepy and evocative and

2971
02:36:34,800 --> 02:36:38,520
I, I really much appreciate how 
this is all coming back around. 

2972
02:36:38,520 --> 02:36:40,680
We, we've talked about so many 
different prophecies and 

2973
02:36:40,680 --> 02:36:43,240
predictions and foreshadowing. 
It shows how well connected a 

2974
02:36:43,240 --> 02:36:46,000
lot of this is. 
It also reminds you of what I 

2975
02:36:46,000 --> 02:36:48,440
said at the beginning, how 
pretty much impossible this is 

2976
02:36:48,440 --> 02:36:50,080
all is to piece together just by
reading. 

2977
02:36:51,000 --> 02:36:53,560
Even if you've read like 3-4 
five times, there's just, 

2978
02:36:53,760 --> 02:36:56,640
there's just too much here, too 
many, too much nuance, too much,

2979
02:36:57,560 --> 02:37:00,680
too many things that are kind of
similar but not completely the 

2980
02:37:00,680 --> 02:37:02,720
same. 
Very hard to parse without 

2981
02:37:02,720 --> 02:37:04,320
getting into the weeds like 
we're doing right now. 

2982
02:37:05,280 --> 02:37:08,760
Melisandre's knowledge of, of 
the Azora High and Lightbringer 

2983
02:37:08,760 --> 02:37:11,400
myths or stories, not to mention
her obvious powers, they give 

2984
02:37:11,400 --> 02:37:17,000
her credibility at, at the wall.
But when she brings up, you 

2985
02:37:17,000 --> 02:37:20,200
know, the growing darkness 
again, they've, they know that 

2986
02:37:20,200 --> 02:37:21,560
already. 
They're like, yeah, we, we know,

2987
02:37:21,560 --> 02:37:23,320
we, we've seen the others, we've
seen the dead. 

2988
02:37:23,960 --> 02:37:28,240
But most people don't with, even
with prophetic knowledge, know 

2989
02:37:28,240 --> 02:37:30,640
that the others exist or even 
mention them. 

2990
02:37:30,640 --> 02:37:33,960
So that's it's it's it's being 
held out for some reason, like 

2991
02:37:34,160 --> 02:37:36,800
Alessandra hasn't perceived 
Danny and the ghost of IR 

2992
02:37:36,800 --> 02:37:41,000
doesn't perceive Danny and Danny
hasn't perceived the others and 

2993
02:37:41,000 --> 02:37:44,280
things like that as all these so
many people don't have really 

2994
02:37:44,280 --> 02:37:47,560
important missing pieces here. 
And that's going to be something

2995
02:37:47,560 --> 02:37:50,040
that's very satisfying and 
interesting to read eventually 

2996
02:37:50,040 --> 02:37:52,800
is when they do, when these 
things do come together as the 

2997
02:37:52,800 --> 02:37:57,200
story starts to the story 
started small ish and spread out

2998
02:37:57,200 --> 02:38:00,760
a whole lot and then spread out 
more. 

2999
02:38:00,920 --> 02:38:03,560
And it's starting to come 
together because so many of the 

3000
02:38:03,560 --> 02:38:06,440
plot lines are starting to merge
slowly but surely. 

3001
02:38:07,360 --> 02:38:09,840
Now, who outside of the Nights 
Watch knows that the others are 

3002
02:38:09,840 --> 02:38:11,880
real? 
And here again, there's a few, 

3003
02:38:12,400 --> 02:38:17,040
But, and for our purposes, it's 
an important sign because the 

3004
02:38:17,040 --> 02:38:19,600
return of the others is proof 
that a lot of the which some of 

3005
02:38:19,600 --> 02:38:21,680
these things are right, even 
though the others aren't in 

3006
02:38:21,680 --> 02:38:25,400
these prophecies, darkness, the 
cold is, and that's a pretty 

3007
02:38:25,400 --> 02:38:28,000
clear indication of that. 
Like, well, these cold evil 

3008
02:38:28,000 --> 02:38:30,920
beings emerge from the darkness.
They weren't explicitly named in

3009
02:38:30,920 --> 02:38:32,800
the prophecy, but that's clearly
what's happening. 

3010
02:38:32,800 --> 02:38:37,400
This, this giant internal 
eternal darkness has has 

3011
02:38:37,400 --> 02:38:39,760
arrived. 
That must be what the prophecy 

3012
02:38:39,760 --> 02:38:42,040
was referring to or, or 
something like that. 

3013
02:38:42,880 --> 02:38:46,000
They are the cold darkness after
the long summer, prophesied in 

3014
02:38:46,000 --> 02:38:50,400
the ancient books of ASCII and 
carried forward to this day by 

3015
02:38:50,400 --> 02:38:52,040
worshippers of Valore and other 
groups. 

3016
02:38:52,040 --> 02:38:56,040
So even if the others aren't 
specifically understood, they 

3017
02:38:56,040 --> 02:38:59,640
are similar enough to what's 
named in these prophecies to be 

3018
02:38:59,640 --> 02:39:02,320
an obvious fit. 
The original darkness. 

3019
02:39:02,320 --> 02:39:03,280
Let's think about this for a 
minute. 

3020
02:39:03,280 --> 02:39:06,320
The original darkness. 
We theorize that it came from 

3021
02:39:06,720 --> 02:39:09,840
somewhere else, like the Shadow 
by ASCII is a is a very strong 

3022
02:39:09,840 --> 02:39:14,080
candidate. 
Or perhaps the others are where 

3023
02:39:14,080 --> 02:39:18,120
it first came from and other 
histories backfilled with what 

3024
02:39:18,120 --> 02:39:21,800
they thought was the source. 
For example, the blood betrayal 

3025
02:39:21,800 --> 02:39:24,920
of the Bloodstone Emperor. 
We're told that's what brought 

3026
02:39:24,920 --> 02:39:28,040
the Long Night on, but that 
could just be what they believe 

3027
02:39:28,040 --> 02:39:31,280
brought the Long Night on. 
The Long Night happened then, so

3028
02:39:31,280 --> 02:39:33,400
they blame it on the Bloodstone 
Emperor 'cause he was such a 

3029
02:39:33,680 --> 02:39:37,120
jerk, such a cruel, supernatural
evil dude. 

3030
02:39:38,160 --> 02:39:39,840
But that's just filling in what 
they think they know. 

3031
02:39:40,720 --> 02:39:43,240
Perhaps there's other creatures 
of darkness, though, that 

3032
02:39:43,240 --> 02:39:45,520
plagued Essos. 
They didn't have the Others, but

3033
02:39:45,520 --> 02:39:50,040
they had whatever the five Forts
were built to guard against. 

3034
02:39:50,520 --> 02:39:52,080
Something like the Others. 
Maybe. 

3035
02:39:52,080 --> 02:39:56,360
They're certainly expressed as 
children of the Lion of Night, 

3036
02:39:56,400 --> 02:40:01,480
which that's similar enough. 
One way or another, the darkness

3037
02:40:01,480 --> 02:40:05,240
of long ago enabled the Others 
of Westeros to emerge. 

3038
02:40:05,280 --> 02:40:09,840
Or maybe they created it. 
Either way, they came together. 

3039
02:40:10,600 --> 02:40:14,560
So maybe it's so if it is them, 
the darkness may be coming from 

3040
02:40:14,560 --> 02:40:16,280
quote inside the house, so to 
speak. 

3041
02:40:16,280 --> 02:40:21,640
They're the cause of it. 
Or they just know that this is 

3042
02:40:21,640 --> 02:40:23,680
the right time. 
The stars are aligned. 

3043
02:40:23,760 --> 02:40:26,760
The long winter is going to come
because there was a long summer.

3044
02:40:26,920 --> 02:40:28,840
They've they've they keyed in on
that. 

3045
02:40:28,840 --> 02:40:31,880
They know. 
So they're acting accordingly. 

3046
02:40:31,880 --> 02:40:33,400
The others are like, hey, now's 
our time. 

3047
02:40:33,560 --> 02:40:35,920
They aren't responsible for 
bringing the darkness, but they 

3048
02:40:35,920 --> 02:40:37,480
will absolutely capitalize on 
it. 

3049
02:40:38,120 --> 02:40:41,280
And that asks us maybe one final
question. 

3050
02:40:41,880 --> 02:40:45,800
Do the Others themselves have 
something resembling prophecy, 

3051
02:40:45,800 --> 02:40:48,960
foretelling ancient lore or 
anything like that? 

3052
02:40:49,440 --> 02:40:52,600
If they are creatures of the Old
Gods, corrupted creatures 

3053
02:40:52,600 --> 02:40:56,000
perhaps, but still, that would 
be their origin creations of the

3054
02:40:56,000 --> 02:40:59,720
Children. 
Perhaps then they might have 

3055
02:40:59,720 --> 02:41:03,160
some of that same ability. 
The Children have access to the 

3056
02:41:03,160 --> 02:41:07,920
Weirwood network, or at least 
some of them do the Green Seers.

3057
02:41:08,720 --> 02:41:12,360
If the Others were just regular 
humans converted to what they 

3058
02:41:12,360 --> 02:41:15,880
are now, then maybe they don't 
have foretelling or prophecy. 

3059
02:41:16,040 --> 02:41:19,400
But if they were green seers or 
green dreamers turned into 

3060
02:41:19,400 --> 02:41:23,160
Others, if it might take that to
make another, if that's if 

3061
02:41:23,160 --> 02:41:26,240
indeed that's how they're 
created in the 1st place, then 

3062
02:41:26,240 --> 02:41:28,600
it would definitely fit. 
If you have a green seer 

3063
02:41:28,800 --> 02:41:31,960
converted to another, then they 
might have some of their powers 

3064
02:41:31,960 --> 02:41:33,520
still. 
They they clearly can still 

3065
02:41:33,520 --> 02:41:37,960
animate the dead and do other 
stuff, so why not that? 

3066
02:41:39,040 --> 02:41:42,440
I would love to see how this 
plays out and this is hopefully 

3067
02:41:42,440 --> 02:41:43,440
something that will get 
revealed. 

3068
02:41:44,200 --> 02:41:48,080
Though I'm pleased with this 
episode overall, a part of me 

3069
02:41:48,080 --> 02:41:50,280
feels like some aspects of this 
episode could do with a lot more

3070
02:41:50,280 --> 02:41:52,480
attention. 
It was a pretty big episode, so 

3071
02:41:52,760 --> 02:41:56,680
we covered about as much as we 
could or should, but there it 

3072
02:41:56,800 --> 02:41:59,520
feels like some of these topics 
we we only barely touched on 

3073
02:41:59,520 --> 02:42:01,120
because we're trying to look at 
it from a high level. 

3074
02:42:01,120 --> 02:42:03,440
We're looking at the high level 
connections, not necessarily 

3075
02:42:03,440 --> 02:42:09,360
some of the deep deeper cuts 
that are more harder to see, but

3076
02:42:09,360 --> 02:42:13,280
the that said, these high level 
things are pretty hard to see 

3077
02:42:13,280 --> 02:42:15,680
anyway. 
One thing I originally planned 

3078
02:42:15,680 --> 02:42:19,200
for this episode that I kind of 
moved past but still want to do 

3079
02:42:19,560 --> 02:42:21,680
is just going through the 
Targaryen dynasty. 

3080
02:42:22,160 --> 02:42:25,800
Looking at each reign as the 
Stannis Baratheon brought up 

3081
02:42:25,800 --> 02:42:28,920
earlier and and imagine Aegon 
the Conqueror in the light of 

3082
02:42:28,920 --> 02:42:32,080
the dream. 
How does his behavior fit with 

3083
02:42:32,080 --> 02:42:35,160
what we think he knows? 
We could do that with every 

3084
02:42:35,160 --> 02:42:37,640
possible Targaryen king and 
imagine, well, does this 

3085
02:42:37,640 --> 02:42:43,360
behavior indicate they know the 
prophecy or they care or or not,

3086
02:42:43,400 --> 02:42:45,120
you know, or something other 
than that. 

3087
02:42:45,120 --> 02:42:48,720
Like, it's easy enough early on.
Like Makar. 

3088
02:42:48,880 --> 02:42:51,440
I mean, Megor probably knew 
because Bessenia probably knew 

3089
02:42:51,440 --> 02:42:53,840
and she would have told him. 
Anius would have known because 

3090
02:42:53,840 --> 02:42:55,360
he was the one expected to 
inherit. 

3091
02:42:55,360 --> 02:42:58,160
I did eventually, or did inherit
rather. 

3092
02:42:58,800 --> 02:43:04,400
So it's one thing for Aegon not 
to write it down, not to give it

3093
02:43:04,400 --> 02:43:07,160
to any historians, but would he 
just not tell anyone? 

3094
02:43:07,440 --> 02:43:10,040
That seems super unlikely. 
And how would it even be 

3095
02:43:10,040 --> 02:43:10,760
possible? 
How? 

3096
02:43:10,760 --> 02:43:12,680
Why would George be telling us 
this? 

3097
02:43:12,840 --> 02:43:15,160
Where's his? 
Where's the speculation coming 

3098
02:43:15,160 --> 02:43:17,800
from that George refers to if, 
if Aegon is the only one who 

3099
02:43:17,800 --> 02:43:19,720
knows so that we can throw it 
out the window. 

3100
02:43:19,880 --> 02:43:23,000
Other people had to know. 
If not just his sisters or or 

3101
02:43:23,000 --> 02:43:26,240
his Baratheon or whatever. 
Maybe some other people, Our own

3102
02:43:26,240 --> 02:43:29,760
guesses are similar. 
Like, consider what the show 

3103
02:43:29,760 --> 02:43:30,920
did. 
The show built the House of 

3104
02:43:30,920 --> 02:43:35,600
Dragon, built its own lore 
around these seedlings here, and

3105
02:43:35,600 --> 02:43:37,720
it's pretty cool. 
Like like some of what they did 

3106
02:43:37,720 --> 02:43:39,520
with it. 
But we can't. 

3107
02:43:39,720 --> 02:43:42,440
But that's not relevant to what 
the books are doing here. 

3108
02:43:42,720 --> 02:43:45,240
We only care about what George 
said. 

3109
02:43:46,040 --> 02:43:47,880
At times throughout this 
episode, we've pointed out 

3110
02:43:47,880 --> 02:43:50,560
characters who don't know 
anything about any of the Song 

3111
02:43:50,560 --> 02:43:54,520
and Ice Fire prophecy, like, 
again, Aria, Sansa, Theon, 

3112
02:43:55,240 --> 02:43:58,280
Cersei, Jamies, lots of them. 
You know, some of the lesser 

3113
02:43:58,280 --> 02:44:02,080
characters, Barristan, you know,
he's, he mentioned the Princess 

3114
02:44:02,080 --> 02:44:03,960
that was prominent or Prince 
that was promised, but he didn't

3115
02:44:03,960 --> 02:44:05,680
display any knowledge of what 
that means. 

3116
02:44:06,480 --> 02:44:08,320
Again, there's even lots of 
characters only with Daenerys 

3117
02:44:08,320 --> 02:44:11,600
exists, let alone that she's 
some kind of prophecy savior. 

3118
02:44:11,760 --> 02:44:15,320
This is mostly, shall we call it
the political arc, the war arcs.

3119
02:44:15,320 --> 02:44:18,040
The, the, the characters that 
are involved in the war of 5 

3120
02:44:18,040 --> 02:44:21,560
Kings were the, the, the 
extension of that that's still 

3121
02:44:21,560 --> 02:44:23,720
playing out. 
Like Aegon Young Griff. 

3122
02:44:24,120 --> 02:44:27,440
He has a lot to do with Danny's 
story, but probably not a lot to

3123
02:44:27,440 --> 02:44:30,360
do with Danny's end game. 
What's going to happen at the 

3124
02:44:30,360 --> 02:44:33,280
wall with the others? 
With quite a few other 

3125
02:44:33,280 --> 02:44:36,440
characters it's tricky though. 
Brienne hasn't seen any Whites 

3126
02:44:36,520 --> 02:44:39,960
or the others, and she has no 
idea who Azora High is, but 

3127
02:44:39,960 --> 02:44:44,200
she's seen the dead walk. 
She saw Lady Stoneheart and 

3128
02:44:44,200 --> 02:44:46,800
other Brotherhood without 
banners, saw Barack Dandarian 

3129
02:44:46,800 --> 02:44:49,120
walking around undead before 
Stoneheart. 

3130
02:44:49,120 --> 02:44:54,360
So at least some people in the 
South won't find it so far 

3131
02:44:54,360 --> 02:44:57,120
fetched that the dead are 
walking up in the north. 

3132
02:44:57,120 --> 02:44:59,480
Everybody else will be like, 
that doesn't sound possible. 

3133
02:44:59,480 --> 02:45:01,000
That sounds like some crazy ass 
rumor. 

3134
02:45:01,360 --> 02:45:03,840
But people who have seen the 
dead walk in the South, that 

3135
02:45:03,840 --> 02:45:06,880
might be part of why George is 
introducing those plots to, you 

3136
02:45:06,880 --> 02:45:11,120
know, help set up those 
characters for understanding or 

3137
02:45:11,120 --> 02:45:13,600
or believing what's going on 
farther in the North. 

3138
02:45:14,040 --> 02:45:16,000
Either way, it's something very 
much to look forward to. 

3139
02:45:16,360 --> 02:45:20,840
Characters in the dark who 
finally see the light bringer or

3140
02:45:20,840 --> 02:45:23,400
what have you. 
Characters in the dark who see 

3141
02:45:23,400 --> 02:45:27,800
the dark for what it really is. 
And everyone's seen the comet. 

3142
02:45:28,080 --> 02:45:30,720
So if people start telling the 
comet Herald did this change, 

3143
02:45:30,720 --> 02:45:33,360
they'd be like, oh, yeah, all 
right, yeah. 

3144
02:45:33,720 --> 02:45:36,000
Especially after seeing the 
others or the Dragons. 

3145
02:45:36,000 --> 02:45:38,440
And you see that, and then you 
think about the comet, you're 

3146
02:45:38,440 --> 02:45:41,360
like, OK, and these Dragons are 
young, aren't they? 

3147
02:45:41,360 --> 02:45:44,400
So they, the whole idea that 
they came at the same time as 

3148
02:45:44,400 --> 02:45:47,160
the comet, that that's it's easy
to perceive. 

3149
02:45:47,160 --> 02:45:48,760
It's easy to believe that to be 
true. 

3150
02:45:49,360 --> 02:45:54,360
And it might be true either way.
So many different characters are

3151
02:45:54,360 --> 02:45:58,520
going to go through the learning
process for these prophecies for

3152
02:45:58,640 --> 02:46:02,520
one or more of them. 
Some of them will be very deep 

3153
02:46:02,520 --> 02:46:05,320
in it, like Tyrion is barely in 
it now and he's going to get 

3154
02:46:05,320 --> 02:46:07,880
thrust into the middle of it as 
soon as he gets Daenerys, I 

3155
02:46:08,000 --> 02:46:11,080
would, I would assume. 
And there's other characters 

3156
02:46:11,080 --> 02:46:13,880
that meet that description as 
well, potentially. 

3157
02:46:13,960 --> 02:46:17,840
And for each one of them, it's 
going to be a ride, I think. 

3158
02:46:17,840 --> 02:46:20,520
So I, I'm excited for that. 
I expect their reactions to be 

3159
02:46:20,520 --> 02:46:24,160
compelling and for that to be a 
device for George to reveal 

3160
02:46:24,160 --> 02:46:26,880
more. 
Trivia answer. 

3161
02:46:26,880 --> 02:46:29,320
Who does Danny discuss the Song 
of Ice and Fire with? 

3162
02:46:30,240 --> 02:46:33,240
Sir Jorah, a man who knows 
nothing about it whatsoever. 

3163
02:46:33,240 --> 02:46:37,040
So it didn't get her very far, 
but it was an opportunity for 

3164
02:46:37,040 --> 02:46:40,240
her to air her thoughts out loud
for so we could all have 

3165
02:46:40,240 --> 02:46:41,880
something to think about as 
well. 

3166
02:46:43,160 --> 02:46:46,320
The poll results? 
Yes, the poll results. 

3167
02:46:46,480 --> 02:46:49,720
The question was Danny sees a 
vision of Rhaegar playing his 

3168
02:46:49,720 --> 02:46:51,640
harp. 
Will Danny hear that song again 

3169
02:46:51,640 --> 02:46:56,000
in a vision or elsewhere? 
74% of you said yes and the rest

3170
02:46:56,000 --> 02:46:59,240
said no. 
So there were 133 votes. 

3171
02:46:59,240 --> 02:47:01,320
So it was a pretty good number 
of people voting there. 

3172
02:47:01,880 --> 02:47:06,520
Speaking of voting, remember to 
go to our survey bit dot LY 

3173
02:47:06,520 --> 02:47:09,520
slash how survey, one word how 
survey. 

3174
02:47:09,520 --> 02:47:11,560
We would really appreciate your 
input there. 

3175
02:47:11,800 --> 02:47:13,200
It will help make the show 
better. 

3176
02:47:13,720 --> 02:47:16,920
And well, yeah, that's it. 
It'll help make a show better 

3177
02:47:16,920 --> 02:47:18,200
and we appreciate it. 
That's enough. 

3178
02:47:19,040 --> 02:47:21,560
Those are good reasons. 
In this episode we mentioned 

3179
02:47:21,560 --> 02:47:25,760
quite a few other topics that we
already have episodes for the 

3180
02:47:25,760 --> 02:47:28,880
Red comet. 
We have episodes on weirwoods 

3181
02:47:28,880 --> 02:47:32,920
that are tangentially related. 
The question of Quaithe very 

3182
02:47:32,920 --> 02:47:35,840
related to this, the Ghost of 
High Heart episode also very 

3183
02:47:35,840 --> 02:47:37,880
related. 
We have a episode called 

3184
02:47:38,000 --> 02:47:41,880
Melisandre before Westeros, 
meaning her time, you know, her 

3185
02:47:41,880 --> 02:47:44,720
young years basically absolutely
related to this. 

3186
02:47:45,000 --> 02:47:48,320
And a similar episode on Maestra
Amon, his time before going to 

3187
02:47:48,320 --> 02:47:50,440
the Wall. 
Very relevant here as well. 

3188
02:47:50,760 --> 02:47:53,240
We have several episodes on 
Bloodraven, but the most 

3189
02:47:53,240 --> 02:47:56,240
relevant is the three eyed 
Bloodraven because that details 

3190
02:47:56,240 --> 02:47:58,640
his time once he got to the 
wall. 

3191
02:47:58,800 --> 02:48:01,320
Doesn't cover his time in the 
South at all. 

3192
02:48:01,320 --> 02:48:04,000
So that's a very focused on just
the northern arc of Bloodraven's

3193
02:48:04,000 --> 02:48:05,880
life. 
We did an episode recently 

3194
02:48:05,880 --> 02:48:09,600
called the Book of Benjen Stark.
Benjen in the north with the 

3195
02:48:09,600 --> 02:48:12,520
children and the dragonglass 
caches and other mysteries 

3196
02:48:12,520 --> 02:48:14,880
associated with some of this 
Very relevant. 

3197
02:48:15,440 --> 02:48:18,120
Some of his last, some of the 
last hero stuff relates to him a

3198
02:48:18,120 --> 02:48:19,320
little bit, I think, if not 
more. 

3199
02:48:19,320 --> 02:48:22,160
We have an episode called The 
Curious Case of Hold Cold Hands.

3200
02:48:22,360 --> 02:48:24,320
You can see why that would 
relate to a lot of these things,

3201
02:48:24,320 --> 02:48:26,960
including Benjen and the undead 
and the others. 

3202
02:48:27,560 --> 02:48:29,040
We haven't called the horror at 
heart home. 

3203
02:48:29,280 --> 02:48:33,040
That relates to Melisandre's 
vision that the the cold brought

3204
02:48:33,040 --> 02:48:37,080
by the others will be so severe 
that it ends the fires of the 

3205
02:48:37,080 --> 02:48:39,680
earth. 
It puts out volcanoes that's 

3206
02:48:39,680 --> 02:48:42,880
crazy cold. 
And there's prophecy in that 

3207
02:48:42,880 --> 02:48:44,320
one. 
Not prophecy related to anything

3208
02:48:44,320 --> 02:48:47,240
we've talked about today, but 
more prophecy regardless. 

3209
02:48:47,600 --> 02:48:51,160
Danny's the dreamer, the 
prophetic, the most powerful 

3210
02:48:51,160 --> 02:48:54,160
prophet of all time, possibly, 
certainly of ones we know about,

3211
02:48:54,600 --> 02:48:57,000
and the whole reason the 
Targaryen family still exists. 

3212
02:48:57,440 --> 02:49:00,840
We have an episode on 
Dragonstone detailing just 

3213
02:49:00,840 --> 02:49:04,240
mundane and the supernatural, 
how it was founded, of secrets 

3214
02:49:04,240 --> 02:49:06,280
within different people who have
ruled there. 

3215
02:49:06,280 --> 02:49:10,080
Obviously Targaryens and an 
episode on Danny's birth, which 

3216
02:49:10,080 --> 02:49:14,080
is super important given her 
distance from her family, her 

3217
02:49:14,080 --> 02:49:19,280
early life, and how her birth 
actually reflects some of the 

3218
02:49:19,280 --> 02:49:20,720
prophecies as well. 
Something we didn't even talk 

3219
02:49:20,720 --> 02:49:23,120
about today because there was 
just so much to cover. 

3220
02:49:23,840 --> 02:49:27,280
Thank you to everyone who came 
out today and watched live. 

3221
02:49:27,280 --> 02:49:30,320
We certainly appreciate if you 
catch us later as well, the 

3222
02:49:30,320 --> 02:49:33,040
edited version and that's 
certainly we appreciate however 

3223
02:49:33,040 --> 02:49:37,680
you consume our content. 
Thanks to Nina for helping me 

3224
02:49:37,680 --> 02:49:40,560
through some of these ideas and 
giving me some some specific 

3225
02:49:40,560 --> 02:49:44,080
notes as well to add in. 
Thanks to Joey Townsend for the 

3226
02:49:44,080 --> 02:49:46,080
music. 
Thanks to Michael Klarfeld for 

3227
02:49:46,080 --> 02:49:50,440
the videos and maps. 
And on behalf of Ashea, I'm 

3228
02:49:50,440 --> 02:49:53,640
Aziz. 
We'll see you next time and you 

3229
02:49:53,640 --> 02:49:58,120
know what to do. 
Until then, Valar Ariritas.