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Prophecy is the central feature 
of A Song of Ice and Fire. 

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Many of the major plot lines are
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of the minor plot lines. 
But of all the POV characters, 

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there's really no contest when 
it comes to which character is 

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the most embroiled in prophecy, 
and that is Daenerys Targaryen. 

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You could argue that Melisandre 
is more involved since it's 

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basically her entire purpose. 
It's the only thing that really 

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matters to her, and Danny 
doesn't actually even really 

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know about the Others yet. 
She's only dimly aware of the 

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Long Night at most. 
But given that she is the person

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referred to the prophecies 
center around her, a lot of them

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do. 
It's pretty hard to argue from 

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someone. 
Even Melisandre would probably 

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agree that if she knew Daenerys 
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Now, lots of people have pieces 
of the prophecy puzzle, but no 

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one seems to have it all. 
In this episode, we focus on 

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someone who might have more 
pieces than anyone else, or at 

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least is well positioned for 
those pieces of knowledge to 

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matter a lot. 
And that's Quaithe of the 

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Shadow, someone who has a lot in
common with the just mentioned 

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Melisandre, yet with not more 
certainty, but more accuracy, 

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right? 
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Stannis is the wrong guy. 
Daenerys is the right gal. 

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Yet by the same token, we have a
lot more idea of what Melisandre

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is up to. 
We've been in her head, we've 

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had apov chapter, she's appeared
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Quaithe is a lot more 
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How, for example, does she keep 
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And why is she really just 
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Really? 
Maybe it's possible, but it's 

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not easy to accept without 
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That's a tough sell. 
But we might have that evidence 

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here in this episode. 
We might have sufficient 

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evidence to overcome that 
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Quaithe's prophecies are 
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She says the multiple times, 
which is something we've long 

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indicated means a lot. 
If George tells you something 

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multiple times, you really 
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Sometimes he only tells you 
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still matters. 
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want, really want you to focus 
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And Danny spends a lot of time 
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It isn't just when Quaithe is 
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times happen. 
She's just like, hmm, what does 

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Quaithe mean by that? 
So she comes up a lot even when 

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she's not there. 
And this is in A Clash of King, 

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The Storm of Swords, and A Dance
with Dragons. 

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Even Danny's final chapter in A 
Dance with Dragons Quaithe comes

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up. 
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largely separate from the other 
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obviously headed there. 
Eventually those plot lines will

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overlap and connect and collide 
at some point, and Quaithe's 

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role in part seems to be 
preparing her for that by 

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reminding her what she is, and 
by reminding her how the world 

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will perceive her and how much 
danger she's in from people who 

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might be her friends. 
And little by little, Koi seems 

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to be proving herself. 
And that's what happens when 

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your prophetic predictions come 
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So we've got Ash Eye and the 
Shadow Lands, Karth and the 

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Dothraki sea. 
Dreams that are not dreams. 

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Some of the most famous 
prophecies in all of the Song of

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Ice and Fire. 
A man who warns against 

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prophecies. 
Marwin the mage, we've got 

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Sorella, Faceless, Pate, Sam, 
and the delirious dreams of the 

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dying dragon, Eamon Targaryen. 
The glass candles are burning, 

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my friends. 
All that and more on this 

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episode of History of Westeros 
podcast. 

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Hello and welcome back 
everybody. 

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I'm Aziz. 
With me, as always, is a Shaya. 

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This is topics moot episode #13 

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February, March, time frame, and
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of this year for that, but of 
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goodqueenalley.tumblr.com. 
That's Nina Krusling, our great 

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friend, providing us with 
excellent takes and analysis as 

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usual. 
The latest post over on her blog

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is about Doran Martel and the 
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how Aryan would have handled 
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Right. 
Aryan didn't even know about the

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Viserys plan until way later, 
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her play with Marcella. 
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question that still has 
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still find herself in a position
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different Targaryen than 
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If you have questions for us, 
you can hit us up on any social 

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our e-mail address, 
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At the end of this episode, I'll
mention some other episodes that

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relate to this one, so you can 
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Keep on that prophecy track or 
that Daenerys track or whatever 

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it is you want to do, and we'll 
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answer of which is at the end as
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The question is the Citadel has 
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What colors are they? 
Let me now tell you what the 

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section headers are, the 
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the different sections we're 
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Today we have our first 
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description and background. 
Karth Chicken defeats Egg, a 

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curious touch. 
Quaithe's quirky compass. 

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Dreams in the belly of Valerian.
Glass Candles. 

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Prophecy roster. 
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Delirium on the Dothraki Sea and
the woman behind the mask. 

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Let's also have a poll here for 
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are not catching it live. 
Also, if you're on Spotify, you 

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will also see the poll. 
That's true. 

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The poll is also available on 
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Or some months. 
Or yeah, a really long time, you

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know. 
Maybe if you're listening to 

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this five years from now and you
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Yeah, the three options are if 
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option #1 Danny would know her 
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We would recognize this person. 
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Danny wouldn't know who she is, 
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Us readers would. 
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Danny wouldn't know her without 
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Those are the three 
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Tell me and Shaya what you think
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And let's start with Quaithe's 
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course begins with a quote. 
Blood of my blood. 

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Jogo called. 
I have been to the great city of

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Karth and returned with three 
who would look on you with their

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own eyes. 
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strangers. 
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Look, if that is your pleasure, 
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The pale man with the blue lips 
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I am Piatt pre the great 
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The bald man with the jewels in 
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In the Valyrian of the Free 
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I am Zarozoandoxos of the 13, a 
merchant Prince of Karth, the 

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woman in the lacquered wooden 
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of the Seven Kingdoms. 
I am Quaithe of the Shadow. 

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We come seeking Dragons. 
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Jogo came across these three in 
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And of the three, Quaithe's 
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interesting, the most 
intriguing. 

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The other two are connected. 
They're highly important people 

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in their city. 
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have declined in power, in 
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they're still important to a 
certain degree, just not as much

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as before. 
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everywhere. 
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in the city. 
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an even higher level, 'cause 
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connected, he's got eyes and 
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Quaithe, how does she know? 
She doesn't seem to be highly 

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connected. 
She doesn't seem to be connected

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at all. 
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nothing in Karth that she is 
associated with, at least that 

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we know of, right? 
She's not part of any group, any

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Guild, any anything, any 
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We all we know is that she came 
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It might even be the glass 
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and that might be how she knew. 
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well. 
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will discuss in this episode. 
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humble here. 
Zarro is dripping with wealth 

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Piatt Pre flat out calls himself
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Quaithe just says I'm Quaithe of
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That's it. 
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She's saying it as if she were 
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You know, it is very casual, 
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eldritch. 
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as it's as it's said in the 
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That's notable. 
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Valyrian. 
Quaithe probably speaks those 

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almost certainly Valyrian. 
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is set apart in that regard too.
She speaks the tongue that Danny

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is most likely to, well, feel 
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she wants to go. 
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where they speak that language, 
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That's where she thinks of his 
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Note the similarities here to an
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birth. 
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Valerie read as how there's a 
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desert. 
There's a lot of Jesus vibes 

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here. 
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that. 
You've got three like the three 

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kings, the three magi, right? 
The three wise men, that there's

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lots of different names for 
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Here we have basically the same 
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There's just some inversions, a 
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men and a woman instead of three
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That's not much of A change. 
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case on the ESO side are 
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magic, which you know, Quaithe 
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Obviously now Magi in this 
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amongst biblical scholars and 
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We're the three wise men. 
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It's a huge difference because 
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text that the Judea's text of 
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There was no Christianity back 
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in Israel and the surrounding 
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And we talked about that in our 
necromancy episode, but the 

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distinction was a lot less 
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like astrologer astronomy, 
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astronomy. 
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You're still scanning the 
heavenly bodies and looking for 

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movement, but the reason you did
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divine meeting from it. 
So it's similar to astrology in 

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that you're looking, you're 
looking at the stars to figure 

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out what's going to happen on 
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So it's still kind of like a 
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perspective, even though 
astronomy grew into something 

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that was a lot more rigid and 
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Anyway, this is relevant to 
Quaithe because she's associated

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with stars and Starlight and 
well, we'll have to go further 

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and you'll see. 
And of course it's the birth of 

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the Dragons. 
They're interested in, in this 

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case, in the biblical story, 
they're interested in the birth 

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of Jesus. 
Now, Karth is in the east, 

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relatively speaking, from our 
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centered on Westeros. 
And the three kings of the Bible

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come from the east also 
following a comet right now, 

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according to several Kartheen 
Piatt pre among them, Karth is 

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the center of the world. 
They see it that way. 

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This is the most important 
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It's the place with it's the 
oldest place. 

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It's the center of culture and 
wisdom and all this other stuff.

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I mean, they're from Karth. 
So they've they're a little 

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biased, but they've, you know, 
there's some truth to some of 

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what they're saying. 
It is a really big important 

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city. 
Nina adds to this as saying from

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the I book edition of A Clash of
Kings, which has some pretty 

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interesting notes here and 
there, that it explicitly 

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references the Magi as a 
connection of the three wise men

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as the inspiration here. 
But says that there is a quote 

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distinct fairy tale quality to 
this sending off of three 

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riders, the reports as one and 
then another returns and then 

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the final rider arriving with 
three travelers on camels. 

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Yeah. 
So there's there's a lot of 

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really straightforward 
connections and some subtle ones

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too. 
And of course, George was raised

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Catholic, so he would be very 
familiar with the story, and 

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even people who weren't raised 
Christian know at least the 

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basics of it, so it it fits 
pretty darn well. 

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In the Bible version. 
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King Herod will kill baby Jesus,
and warnings are a huge part of 

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this from Quaithe. 
Quaithe has issues, all sorts of

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warnings. 
Warnings that people will lust 

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for her Dragons, warnings that 
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This comes later, but it comes 
from Quaithe herself, so the 

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parallel is very strong. 
Now, not long after the Magi 

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leave Jesus after delivering 
their gifts of gold and friends 

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and frankincense and myrrh, an 
Angel appears to Joseph right 

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after they leave in a dream and 
commands him to take Jesus to 

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Egypt until he's told that it's 
safe to return. 

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Because they're, you know, 
they're worried about this King 

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Herod murdering thing. 
Now, this is obviously a 

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parallel as well. 
Quaeth repeatedly appears in 

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dreams to Danny. 
Now later we'll actually get 

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into the semantics of it. 
They're not dreams that Danny's 

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having. 
And that's very interesting, but

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it's obviously close enough for 
this parallel. 

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Is Quaithe comparable to an 
Angel, though? 

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That's where it's not as clear. 
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the Bible, there's no question 
that it's a being of good. 

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You know it's not fallen Angel, 
right? 

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It's just Angel. 
So this, But with Quaithe, it's 

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not nearly so clear. 
Angels are rarely given names in

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the Bible. 
Usually they're just described 

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by their purpose. 
Like, the angels have lots of 

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different jobs, you know? 
That's fitting as a parallel 

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here, too, because Quaithe is so
nondescript, we don't know much 

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about her at all. 
Like, she's covered. 

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Her body is mostly covered in a 
robe. 

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She's wearing a mask. 
There's very she's not tall, 

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She's not short. 
There's just very little we can 

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go about to to dig into what she
is or who she is. 

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Nina says she's like the living 
embodiment of prophecy, just not

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tangible. 
Not quite tangible, but very 

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much real at the same time. 
You can't grasp it fully, you 

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don't know exactly what you're 
dealing with, but you also 

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cannot ignore it. 
That's Quaithe in a nutshell. 

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I think it's a really good take 
by Nina. 

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Very succinct and gets to the 
point. 

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But I also have reasons to think
we will learn more about her, 

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even if we don't learn a lot 
more about the origins of some 

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of these prophecies. 
And it isn't just optimism or 

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hope on opium on my part. 
I'll explain later. 

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Now recall that Danny is given a
parade when she arrives at 

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Carth. 
The doors open for her. 

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They're like celebrating. 
It's a big deal. 

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So Jogo did his job well and, 
you know, spreading the word 

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and, and getting the red carpet 
rolled out for her. 

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And, and why not? 
It's you're telling quite a 

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story. 
A Targaryen emerges from the 

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desert with living Dragons. 
That's hard to believe. 

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But if you're told it's like 
right over there across the, you

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know, the city gates, go see it 
for yourself. 

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It's not so hard to believe then
when you're witnessing it, 

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right? 
And then it's no longer 

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unbelievable. 
You saw it and a lot of people 

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saw it, right? 
It was a parade. 

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So you got to believe that when 
they go home after that, after 

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seeing this parade and seeing 
the actual Dragons and the 

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actual Targaryen, this was not 
an exaggeration. 

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Well, you're going to tell 
everybody, you know, it's going 

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to be the talk of dinner that 
night, you know, and then the 

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next day when you're having 
drinks or whatever at work or 

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whatever you're doing, you're 
going to all be talking about 

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the Mother of Dragons arriving 
in your city. 

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It's by far the biggest news you
can imagine. 

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I mean, what bigger news could 
come? 

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Certainly nothing that would 
make this irrelevant, right? 

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Everybody's got to want to know.
So even though we just said 

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there's very little to describe 
about Quaithe, let's give it a 

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shot anyway. 
She's a woman with a red lacquer

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mask and a long hooded robe. 
In other words, she's completely

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covered except her hands, her 
eyes, maybe her neck, which is 

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relevant because a lot of people
from the shadow lands are 

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tattooed. 
No hint of tattoos, nothing on 

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her neck or hands which a lot of
shadow people would have tattoos

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there. 
Her skin color isn't mentioned 

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but she's always portrayed as 
light skinned and as far as we 

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know that's typical for the 
shadow lands, which that tracks.

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It's a place with very with much
lower levels of sunlight so you 

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would expect people not to be as
dark skinned. 

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Obviously it's fantasy. 
George could do what he wants 

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there, but it tracks. 
Like I said, I guess she's of 

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middling height. 
There's no mention of her being 

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short or tall. 
Maybe it's a fairly safe 

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assumption. 
But yeah, the the most 

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descriptive feature is her eyes,
which are described as wet and 

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shiny. 
Usually when George describes 

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wet eyes he means crying or 
tearing up. 

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There's a lot of examples of 
like Sansa or even the the 

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hounds eyes are wet at one 
point, lots of different cases 

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like that. 
But there's, there's only one 

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other case of wet and shiny and 
that's Lancel. 

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Lancel on A Dance with Dragons, 
or rather A Feast for crows. 

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Lancel on A feast for crows. 
Cersei thinks of him as having 

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wet eyes or shiny and wet a 
child's eyes and an old man's 

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face. 
Now of course Cersei is very 

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suspicious of Lancel and is very
paranoid that he's for good 

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reason. 
So maybe it's not paranoia, but 

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she's worried that he's going to
tell about their affair to the 

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High Septon now that he's become
all pious. 

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So she's not not exactly looking
at him without bias here. 

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Like Varus's eyes are described 
as dark and wet when he comes to

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Ned in the dungeon now he's not 
crying, but his eyes are 

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described as sort of wet for 
some reason. 

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Maybe that's his part of his 
disguise, I'm not really sure. 

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Rattle Shirt's eyes are 
described as shiny behind the 

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giant skull. 
Oberon's are dark and shiny, so 

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are Tumko Lowe's, the Basilisk 
Knight. 

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Danzos's are shiny, but only 
when they're like climbing down 

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the Cliff. 
So I don't know that we can read

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much into this at all. 
It's an interesting detail, and 

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it's interesting that nobody 
else seems to have that quite 

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that same description of wet and
shiny. 

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So our eyes are a little unique,
but in not in a way that leads 

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us anywhere. 
You know, like, I think I agree 

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with you that yeah, it seems 
like most often the connotation 

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is kind of their teary eyed or 
something. 

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But the other part of that to me
is passion. 

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You know what I mean? 
Yeah, that's what I see in some 

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of those, is that they're, 
they're feeling fervent or 

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passionate and it's like a kind 
of thing, not the wet part, but 

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the shiny. 
Part Yeah, I think you're right.

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That's what you would see like 
when someone's eyes, someone's 

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eyes are shining because they 
have like. 

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They're focused. 
They're yeah. 

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Like in. 
Them in that moment when Dontos 

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is climbing down the Cliff, 
that's really like they're doing

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it like that's the the the plan 
is culminating and he's actually

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a little bit scared about 
climbing down that Cliff as 

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well. 
Sansa was Sansa. 

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So yeah, that is interesting 
too. 

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And Nina says the well, by 
making her eyes a little bit 

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unique, this could be used later
as an identifying feature. 

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Or if Quaithe does take her mask
off or has her mask off, those 

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eyes might be recognizable 
without the mask on. 

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It'll be like, hey, that's 
Quaithe. 

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I recognize those eyes. 
So given the unique description,

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that is a a way for George to 
use that unique identifier later

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as a clue for us, for those of 
us who are paying attention and 

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and which is super important 
because George slash Quaithe 

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herself is pretty much going all
out on the lack of identifying 

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features. 
It's it in itself is a feature 

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of her that she has a lack of 
identifying feature. 

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She might be the least 
describable named character of 

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any significance in the entire 
series. 

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Like it's hard to find someone 
that's less described. 

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Another great take from Nina 
here, I think, is that she's 

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like, Quaithe is like a 
personification of prophecy 

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itself. 
That's part of why the lack of 

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description, part of the lack of
tangibility, fits with her being

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the personification of prophecy.
She's mysterious, 

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unidentifiable, vaguely 
important, but also pointedly 

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vague. 
Right. 

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She's specifically vague 
intentionally. 

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You can tell that she's being 
vague on purpose, though We 

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don't know why, though we will 
talk about that. 

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We have a whole section on that,
which is the whole why so 

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cryptic section. 
Again, Quay speaking common when

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she meets Danny is interesting. 
There's no suggestion of an 

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accent. 
This kind of detail gets people 

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thinking, theorizing that maybe 
she's from Westeros. 

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I think you need a lot more 
evidence than that. 

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Plenty of people speak common. 
Mary Mazdor speaks common. 

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She learned it from Marwin. 
You know, traders go to Ashai 

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all the time. 
Even though it's not a common 

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tourist destination, there's 
still plenty of people to go 

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there. 
So it's not something we can 

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really latch onto as a strong 
piece of evidence. 

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And if Quaith saw this coming, 
Quaith is a person of prophecy, 

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probably certainly seems that 
way. 

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If she knew Danny was coming or 
she knew Danny was the person 

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that she needed to be aware of, 
that she knew that she was the 

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savior and she saw that, well, 
she knows that person is 

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Westerosi. 
She wants to be able to 

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communicate with this savior 
who's going to come along 

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eventually. 
I better be able to talk to her.

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I need to speak her language. 
So she may have learned comments

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specifically to one day converse
with Azora High, the new Azora 

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High, the new Prince that was 
promised. 

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Now she says she's Quaithe of 
the shadow. 

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Quaithe from the shadow of the 
her Dothraki or Danny's Dothraki

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call her shadow spawn. 
All that the appendix in all the

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books says that she's from Ash 
eye, which lies by the shadows. 

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Nearly the same thing, but like,
I figured she wasn't actually 

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born in Ash Eye but in the 
Shadow Lands because there's no 

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supposedly no children in Ash 
Eye, even the locals. 

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So I don't know. 
Yeah, maybe the locals know 

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better than to raise children in
Ash Eye where it's like toxic. 

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They take them somewhere else 
where it's less toxic. 

450
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,120
The Shadow Lands are all bad. 
It's a it's, it's a place 

451
00:23:55,120 --> 00:23:59,120
steeped in sorcery, just as 
Quaithe herself is steeped in 

452
00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:01,040
prophecy and Danny is steeped in
prophecy. 

453
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,320
So I think she's probably born 
in the shadow, not literally in 

454
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:09,040
Ash Eye, but the two are such a 
so closely related. 

455
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,800
There's a there's a blurred line
there, a shadowed line. 

456
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,000
We don't have a lot of examples 
of shadow binders. 

457
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,520
The most prominent, of course, 
is Melisandre. 

458
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,280
She's going to pop up a lot in 
this episode. 

459
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,760
She forms the basis for a lot of
our comparisons and assertions 

460
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,080
about Quaithe, but also Miriam 
Mazdor, Mary Mazdor, clearly a 

461
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,760
shadow binder as well. 
There's some overlap or 

462
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:34,680
possibilities there. 
That said, Quaithe hasn't really

463
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,400
done any shadow binding. 
She's done this prophecy stuff. 

464
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,360
She may be speaking to Danny 
from afar. 

465
00:24:40,360 --> 00:24:43,560
Well, she's definitely speaking 
to Danny from afar, but that 

466
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,400
doesn't seem to be a matter of 
shadow binding. 

467
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,520
It seems to be something else, 
seems to be a different form of 

468
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,040
magic. 
So we have heard that she's from

469
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,640
the shadow and that she is 
magical, but we haven't actually

470
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,760
really seen it. 
There's implications of magic 

471
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,800
that she's done magic ahead of 
time, but we don't really get 

472
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,040
specifics and it seems to be 
more in the realm of prophecy 

473
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,840
then it seems to be in strict 
shadow binding. 

474
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,720
You know, she's not like 
launching shadow babies or 

475
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,280
anything like that. 
Something about Melissandre that

476
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,640
makes her unique is that she's a
red priestess and a shadow 

477
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,080
binder. 
There isn't anyone else we know 

478
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,000
that's like that for sure. 
Maybe Macoro is. 

479
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,200
It would make sense, but we 
don't know for sure. 

480
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,040
Like Thoris definitely isn't a 
shadow binder and a lot of these

481
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,840
other red priests we can assume 
probably aren't unless we're 

482
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:28,400
told they are. 
There's no reason to assume that

483
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,680
they know shadow binding. 
You don't assume somebody knows 

484
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,920
magic, right? 
That's a big assumption, but 

485
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:35,800
she's definitely not a priestess
of her lore. 

486
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:40,240
Quaithe on the other hand, So 
this is just a Shadowbinder, 

487
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,880
which we only have a couple of. 
I think Miriam Mazdur is 

488
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:47,440
literally the only named 
Shadowbinder and she's dead, so 

489
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,720
that doesn't give us a lot of 
bases to very mysterious 

490
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,800
discipline. 
Shadowbinding. 

491
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,200
All we know is that a lot of 
people don't like it. 

492
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,240
It seems pretty dark. 
It's associated with curses and 

493
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,520
and unscrupulous beings. 
And yeah, the Dithraki shun it, 

494
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,040
etcetera. 
Melisandre and Quaithe are both 

495
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,400
focused on the end of the world 
and stopping it. 

496
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,360
One is advising the actual 
Princess that was promised. 

497
00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:15,840
One is advising the person she 
thinks is the Prince that was 

498
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:21,120
promised and returning to the 
idea of powers. 

499
00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:23,080
Melisandre, we see her do all 
sorts of things 'cause she's 

500
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,000
there. 
Quaithe is speaking to Danny 

501
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,360
from afar. 
How can her magic, other than 

502
00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:31,600
the magic using to speak to her 
from afar be applied? 

503
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,360
She's she's got a shadow bind 
stuff from all the way back in 

504
00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:38,840
Karth that's going to affect 
Danny when she's in, I don't 

505
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,840
know, Volantis on the Dithraki 
Sea? 

506
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,120
Probably not. 
She's probably limited to 

507
00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:46,120
talking to her and giving her 
prophecies or telling her things

508
00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:48,600
or egging her on or whatever 
she's doing. 

509
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,800
But I think Quaithe's shadow 
binding qualities are not going 

510
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,000
to come up. 
It's only a way to fill out her 

511
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,040
background, make her more 
mysterious cause it's one of the

512
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,640
most mysterious things you can 
do is make her a shadow binder. 

513
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:09,000
Let's talk about Karth now, just
as a fun aside and a way to show

514
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:13,080
the lack of link between Karth 
and Quaith is the lack of AU in 

515
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,040
the Q there. 
Karth, you know, George likes to

516
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,080
do this. 
It's something that we, we David

517
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:21,000
J Peterson, the language guys 
expressed it a mild annoyment at

518
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,520
with George, with the with the 
lack of you after the Q there. 

519
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,120
But it seems to be like the way 
it's written that would indicate

520
00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:32,040
that they are not the same 
culture, which we know that, but

521
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,360
it's good to maybe expand on 
that. 

522
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,600
Quaeth is not from Karth. 
And the big question we have is 

523
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,840
why is she even there? 
What brought her there in the 

524
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,520
1st place? 
Again, she doesn't seem to have 

525
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,160
any other associations with 
anything. 

526
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,120
They're not part of any 
organizations that we know of. 

527
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,520
So what's that about? 
As the three of them meaning the

528
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,560
the three seekers, Zaro, Piatt, 
and Quaithe enter the city with 

529
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,720
Danny. 
Quaithe is quiet. 

530
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,520
Zaro and Piatt argue with each 
other and put each other down. 

531
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,560
They're both like competing for 
Danny's attention. 

532
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,320
Meanwhile, Quaithe is just hum 
to dumb, walking along not 

533
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,520
saying anything. 
Zaro warns her about Warlock 

534
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,960
saying their gifts will turn to 
ashes, a warning she doesn't 

535
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,720
actually need because she's 
already wary of magic because of

536
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,760
Mary Mazdur, which might be why 
Quaith doesn't try to do 

537
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,640
anything overly magical. 
She's like, well this is going 

538
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,120
to make Danny not trust me and I
want her to trust me. 

539
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,120
Meanwhile, Pie, it's all about 
the all the power and splendor 

540
00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:27,280
they have, which is a turn off 
for Danny. 

541
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,120
He doesn't realize that, but it 
is. 

542
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:31,000
So Quaithe plays the game 
properly. 

543
00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:33,560
She's not, they're not competing
for her attention. 

544
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,600
They're not acting like she's an
object to win. 

545
00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:40,560
Quaithe treats her like, well, 
something entirely different. 

546
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,720
Something like maybe a someone 
that she needs to advise rather 

547
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,400
than someone she wants to win 
over to get things from. 

548
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,200
That's huge. 
Jorah says the crow calls the 

549
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,280
Raven black, referring to Xaro's
gifts. 

550
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,760
Because he's like that guy's he 
says. 

551
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,880
Xaro says Piatt's gifts will 
turn to ashes, which they do by 

552
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,840
the way. 
And Jorah's like, well, his 

553
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,120
gifts will turn to ashes too, 
which they do by the way. 

554
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,200
So not less literally, but they 
do. 

555
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,680
And in in the case of the 
warlocks, they literally turn to

556
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,600
ash. 
But Xaros are more like 

557
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,720
symbolically turned to ash. 
He withdraws his gifts, he 

558
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,840
turns, takes his generosity away
when he realizes he's he's not 

559
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,360
going to get what he wants. 
And of course, the the warlocks 

560
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,560
swear revenge against Danny, but
Euron being Euron, stole their 

561
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,080
revenge. 
He's a very thorough pirate, 

562
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,120
Euron. 
He's like, I'm not just going to

563
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,360
steal your stuff. 
I'm going to steal your purpose.

564
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,000
I'm going to steal your mission,
so in case you all don't know 

565
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,480
what I'm talking about, you're 
on. 

566
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,960
Apparently captured the 
warlocks, as they were pursuing 

567
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,680
Danny, took all their stuff, 
brutally abused them, tortured 

568
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,120
them. 
Yeah, not good for them, but I 

569
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,160
don't feel too sorry for them. 
Now, in Xaro's case, he's 

570
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:50,920
constantly trying to overaw 
Danny. 

571
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,600
He's just like, look at all my 
wealth. 

572
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,760
Look at all my splendor. 
We could go sailing around the, 

573
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,040
you know, doing all these 
things. 

574
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,920
You could have all the pleasures
of the world, things you didn't 

575
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,080
even know existed. 
And she's like, no, I don't. 

576
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:05,440
I'm not really that interested 
in that. 

577
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,640
And and Karth is written like 
the richest place on the planet.

578
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:15,160
It's written like a place that 
has been so rich for so long. 

579
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,560
It's evolved in something 
unrecognizable in a lot of ways 

580
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,040
because the people are the 
powerful people there have been 

581
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,960
so powerful for so long, they've
just lost all sense of do you 

582
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,200
think powerful people in the 
real world have lost touch with 

583
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:34,000
regular folk? 
This is that idea on steroids on

584
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,240
times 100. 
That's Karf. 

585
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:42,080
It's it's the fantasy version of
of the city of unchecked avarice

586
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,280
for eons. 
And Zarro is the product of 

587
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,240
that. 
And Pietri kind of is as well, 

588
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,600
though more of the declining 
phase of that. 

589
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,240
And of course, what happens the 
Undying, We're trying to steal a

590
00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,120
dragon, if not multiples or 
steal her, steal her life force.

591
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,280
Piet Pre, I mean Xaro's own 
Daxus was trying to steal a 

592
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,840
dragon too. 
Using a traditional Kartheen 

593
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:11,760
wedding practice where you get 
to ask one favor of your husband

594
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,280
or bride to be and they can't 
refuse. 

595
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:15,600
He was going to ask for a 
dragon. 

596
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,680
Jorah figured that out. 
Danny was like, Oh yeah, that 

597
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,440
must be it. 
And that's that. 

598
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:25,720
Quaithe is nothing like this. 
She acts more like a Jorah 

599
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,360
without the creepiness than a 
pirate or a Zarro quote. 

600
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:34,480
Last of the three seekers to 
depart was Quaithe, the shadow 

601
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:39,280
binder from her Danny received 
only a warning. 

602
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,240
Beware. 
The woman in the red lacquer 

603
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,840
mask said. 
Of whom? 

604
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,200
Of all they shall come day and 
night see the wonder that has 

605
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,800
been born again into the world, 
And when they see, they shall 

606
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,760
lust. 
For Dragons are fire made flesh 

607
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,720
and fire is power. 
Of course, like I said, Danny 

608
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,440
has this wariness like she did 
with Pyatt because of her 

609
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,440
experience with Mary Mazdur. 
So she's like, eh, Quaithe isn't

610
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,080
trying to overaw me with magic, 
but she's still Speaking of 

611
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,240
supernatural things. 
And she doesn't like not being 

612
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,480
able to see her face. 
That's a that's like a a 

613
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,200
negative. 
That's a bit of a turn off. 

614
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,000
Few people like that. 
Yeah, fair, right. 

615
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,600
Few people want. 
Everybody wants to know who 

616
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,240
they're talking to. 
It's like, what are you hiding? 

617
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,920
Now we know that it's a cultural
thing in the Shadow Lands, but 

618
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,000
it's a cultural thing that makes
people not trust Shadowlander. 

619
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,280
So it's it's both. 
It's both things. 

620
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,800
Yeah. 
Now Pia and Zara want her to 

621
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,080
stay in Karth. 
Pia wants to win her over. 

622
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,520
Zara wants to win her over. 
But Quaithe wants her to flee 

623
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,040
and doesn't want her. 
Warns her to flee. 

624
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,920
Maybe both, but warns her to 
flee is what she actually says. 

625
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,200
And it's because of what these 
men's intentions are. 

626
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:56,840
She's like, worry about those 
guys. 

627
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,800
Piatt and Zara, worry about 
their true intentions. 

628
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,760
And other people who you haven't
even met yet worry about them 

629
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,480
too. 
Pretty much everyone is going to

630
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,920
want something from you. 
All these people who are going 

631
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,600
to ask things from you, they 
have ulterior motives. 

632
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,960
They want your power. 
They want your power to do 

633
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,280
things for them or they want to 
steal from you or something. 

634
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:23,440
You should always start whenever
you meet anyone, Danny, start by

635
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,600
figuring out what those ulterior
motives are 'cause they will 

636
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,720
have them. 
If you find someone without an 

637
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,720
ulterior motive, look harder 
'cause it's probably there. 

638
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:37,320
So that is sort of self 
fulfilling with Quaithe herself 

639
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,160
is like, well, we'll have to 
apply that to you as well. 

640
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,680
What's your ulterior motive, 
Quaithe? 

641
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,040
What is your ulterior motive in 
telling me to beware of other 

642
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,040
people's ulterior motives? 
Because if you're going to sit 

643
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,240
here and tell me that everyone 
has an ulterior motive, then are

644
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,680
you really different? 
What is yours? 

645
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,480
So that's the trick with Quaithe
or one of the big tricks with 

646
00:33:58,480 --> 00:33:59,960
quaithe. 
Maybe that's the question of 

647
00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:02,480
quaithe, the most important 
question of quaithe here. 

648
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,200
Your miles may vary, but it's 
certainly a contender. 

649
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:11,080
Now there's more conversations 
off page as this next part 

650
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:12,639
indicates. 
Quote. 

651
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,000
When Quaithe too, was gone, 
Sergeora said. 

652
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,400
She speaks truly my Queen, 
though I like her no more than 

653
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,760
the others. 
I do not understand her. 

654
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,000
Paya and Zarro had showered 
Danny with promises from the 

655
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:33,239
moment they first glimpsed her 
Dragons, declaring themselves 

656
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:37,840
her loyal servants in all 
things, but from Quaithe she had

657
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,719
gotten only the rare cryptic 
word. 

658
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,199
Quaithe isn't exactly being 
specific or maybe saying 

659
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:47,560
anything that isn't kind of well
known. 

660
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,280
Yeah, almost everybody wants 
something from Danny. 

661
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,159
I think Danny kind of figures 
out on her own, she doesn't 

662
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:55,400
necessarily need Quais to know 
that, but maybe she needs to 

663
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,560
make that more important. 
Maybe this is a factor in her 

664
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,400
life or in her quest that she 
needs to elevate, because it's 

665
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,760
going to happen a lot. 
People are going to really try 

666
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,080
to get things from her or try to
kill her or both. 

667
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,440
So it's basically a warning 
about everyone. 

668
00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:15,560
And I think this is a big fail 
on Jorah's part. 

669
00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:19,920
He's right to agree with her in 
saying, yeah, I don't he she's 

670
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,440
right to not trust those other 
two. 

671
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,160
But I don't like her either. 
But the other two just had way 

672
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,200
more red flags. 
They're all these office offers 

673
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,640
and promises to serve. 
And I'm so loyal to you the 

674
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,800
second you meet. 
Come on, this is obviously 

675
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,880
blowing smoke, but Quait doesn't
do that. 

676
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,040
So I think Jora should have I 
mean, and it's Jora's job to be 

677
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:41,880
suspicious, right? 
He's their bodyguard. 

678
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,440
You know, it's it's it's fine 
that he's doing that, but I 

679
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:50,600
think it's a misread because the
other two they're shamelessly 

680
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,920
doing doing all these things 
that are very red flaggish where

681
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,200
quaits. 
Maybe they're red flags, but 

682
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,680
they're they're not aimed at 
Danny, right. 

683
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,480
They're not obvious that she the
fact that she isn't trying to 

684
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,200
get anything from Danny hasn't 
made any requests, hasn't asked 

685
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,080
anything, hasn't even hinted at 
wanting something that should 

686
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,160
put her on another level, a less
threatening level. 

687
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,480
But George, maybe from George's 
perspective, it's just, well, 

688
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,040
she's the fact that I she's more
mysterious is potentially worse.

689
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,600
Yes, these men shamelessly are 
wanting things from you. 

690
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,600
They're saying all these things 
that aren't true, but in some 

691
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,720
ways that makes them easier to 
predict. 

692
00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:30,120
I This is the enemy. 
You know, lots of people are 

693
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:31,960
going to act like that. 
I can deal with that. 

694
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,640
Quase. 
What the hell is she? 

695
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,640
We don't even know who she is. 
Yeah, she's not asking for 

696
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,080
anything, but maybe she's just 
bidding your time. 

697
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,880
We don't know that. 
So I don't think Jorah's 

698
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,440
suspicion is too misplaced. 
I ultimately do think he's 

699
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,920
wrong, but that's because I have
more information than Jorah 

700
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,600
does. 
I have the benefit of hindsight,

701
00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:54,480
though not entirely, when it 
comes to Quase, because what we 

702
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,960
see to Quae so far does align 
with she's trying to stop the 

703
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,320
end of the world. 
She's trying to maybe not help 

704
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,440
Danny, but help Danny achieve 
that she doesn't make. 

705
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,480
She doesn't necessarily care 
about Danny as a person. 

706
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,480
She doesn't care about what 
happens to Danny as long as the 

707
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,240
world is saved. 
That's an important point that 

708
00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:14,000
we should keep in mind all the 
way throughout this because just

709
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,240
because Quaeth wants to save the
world doesn't mean she cares a 

710
00:37:17,240 --> 00:37:19,600
fig for Daenerys Targaryen as a 
person. 

711
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:24,120
So that is a disconnect that is 
a reason to be wary of somebody.

712
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:25,920
He's like, yeah, she wants me to
help save the world, but she 

713
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,560
doesn't care about me. 
Now that's understandable too. 

714
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,400
What is the life of one person 
against the entire freaking 

715
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,720
world? 
So you can kind of get why 

716
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:37,200
Quaith is like, well, I don't 
have room to also save you. 

717
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,320
I got to save the whole world, 
you know, and you might have to 

718
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,400
die to make that happen. 
Quaithe wouldn't want to tell 

719
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,360
her that if that's the case. 
So that's that's an important 

720
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,440
factor too. 
So I don't think we'll ever hear

721
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,880
again from Zaro. 
Zarro's done. 

722
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,240
He's out of the story. 
I doubt he. 

723
00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:56,080
Maybe Danny thinks of him as an 
example of the greed of men. 

724
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,280
But Piatt, and he's definitely, 
as we described, he's out of the

725
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:00,600
story. 
I mean, I don't think he's 

726
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,040
getting out of the Silence's 
hold. 

727
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:06,000
He's not dead. 
Or maybe he is and somebody. 

728
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,440
Is that clear? 
Which warlocks have had fed on 

729
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,280
the others because he made them 
eat themselves. 

730
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:12,280
Terrible. 
Yeah. 

731
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,280
Whether they're going to survive
or not, which is almost 

732
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,880
certainly no, they won't be a 
problem for Danny anymore. 

733
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:24,120
Their revenge plot will, because
Euron is absconded with it and 

734
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,000
he's more dangerous anyway. 
But Euron's not really much of a

735
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,720
part of this. 
Interestingly, he isn't 

736
00:38:29,720 --> 00:38:32,720
something that Quaithe warns her
about too, so that's nothing 

737
00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:37,800
else important to keep in mind. 
So just because Quaithe is 

738
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,160
saying some of these good 
things, it doesn't mean it's 

739
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:41,600
good for Danny. 
I'm sure her. 

740
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,520
That's the closest thing I can 
get to so far in terms of an 

741
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,960
ulterior motive, a a separation 
between what's good for Danny 

742
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:52,720
and what's good for the world. 
Now Danny is going to ponder 

743
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,160
whether Quaith is an enemy or a 
dangerous friend. 

744
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,280
I think that's it, That's it, 
That's it in a nutshell. 

745
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,800
A dangerous friend. 
She's dangerous because Danny's 

746
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,600
life is not terribly important 
in the scheme of things, given 

747
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,640
what is hanging in the balance. 
There's the danger, but the 

748
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,720
friend in that she is trying to 
help Danny with something that 

749
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,360
Danny wants to do. 
Now why was Quaithe and Karth, 

750
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,160
we started this section with 
that and now we can come back to

751
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,880
it. 
She's not Kartheen as we said 

752
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,480
before, no profession or 
association with others in the 

753
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,640
city, just she's just there, 
which is yet another example of 

754
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,440
how different she is from the 
other two seekers. 

755
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:33,920
So it's probably because of 
prophecy, right? 

756
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,200
Quaithe went to Karth knowing 
Azorihai would be there or would

757
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:43,360
show up there, and she went 
there to encourage Azorihai 

758
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:47,600
Danny to go E more, maybe with 
her Quaith. 

759
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,200
If Danny had gone to East, 
Quaith might have gone along, 

760
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:52,560
they might have travelled 
together. 

761
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,200
We should consider this from a 
meta level. 

762
00:39:55,600 --> 00:40:01,480
As we detailed in our Shadow by 
Asha episode, George at some 

763
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,120
point changed his mind about 
Danny going to Asha, and if in 

764
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,840
Book 1 he seemed to be set on 
that, but in A Clash of Kings 

765
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,280
he'd already changed his mind, 
it wasn't after that, it was 

766
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,920
during. 
The book indicates that like 

767
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,040
she's already changes her mind. 
She doesn't go to Ash Eye and 

768
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,040
there's no way she's going to 
she she gets the word from the 

769
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,640
cinnamon wind, she gets those 
ships, she starts going West. 

770
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,120
She's not going east and I don't
think she's going to go back. 

771
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,680
She is going to go back, but not
to that bad. 

772
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:27,560
She's not going to go to Ash 
eye. 

773
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,200
So George had already made that 
decision. 

774
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:35,320
So that's particularly 
interesting that instead of 

775
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:39,040
going to Ash Eye, she's going to
learn the things that she would 

776
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,440
have learned in Ash Eye from 
people who have been to Ash Eye.

777
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,040
They are like the portable Ash 
Eye. 

778
00:40:45,240 --> 00:40:48,160
Mary Mazdor would have been, 
She's dead, but she did a little

779
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:49,800
bit. 
Marwin has been there. 

780
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,440
He might matter. 
He's headed to Danny right at 

781
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,040
the end of A Feast for Crows. 
That's what he says he's doing. 

782
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,640
And Quaith herself, of course, 
fits into this very well. 

783
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:01,040
So people who've been to Ash Eye
can fill in those blanks for 

784
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,800
Danny instead of going there. 
She can learn what she needed to

785
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,120
learn from them and Melisandre 
too. 

786
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,480
Of course, Melisandre then it 
would have to be in the long 

787
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,120
term. 
That's something we talked about

788
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,640
in her episode or Melisandre 
episode, is that once Melisandre

789
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,800
figures out that it's not 
Stannis, assuming that she ever 

790
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,240
does before losing her life or 
something like that, she would 

791
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:21,840
switch to Danny and maybe tell 
her things. 

792
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,040
She's Melisandre might know 
things about dragon lore or just

793
00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:27,440
other things about the prophecy.
Just as the person who's been to

794
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,760
Asha, she's Melisandre of Asha, 
she could know some important 

795
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:35,320
things that haven't come up yet.
Also, how long has she been 

796
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:36,880
there? 
Quaithe? 

797
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,080
Like, that's the thing about 
prophecies, right? 

798
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:45,400
You don't have a time stamp. 
You can see through scrying or 

799
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,520
fire reading or whatever. 
You can see what's going to 

800
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:50,920
happen. 
You can see what is happening, 

801
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,720
but you don't know exactly when.
It's like, is this an hour from 

802
00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:56,200
now? 
Is this happening right now or 

803
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:57,640
is this like a few days from 
now? 

804
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,160
Or did this happen a few weeks 
ago? 

805
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:00,600
They don't yet. 
No time stamp. 

806
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,040
It's it's the event can be seen,
but there's no placing it 

807
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:08,720
chronologically beyond certain 
reasonable barriers there. 

808
00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:11,120
So that's that's curious. 
So maybe Kwaitz had been waiting

809
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,040
for a while. 
She's like, well, according to 

810
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,400
magical means, I know Azor High,
the Princess that was promised 

811
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,800
is going to show up in Karth. 
I don't know her name or their 

812
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,040
name doesn't even know the 
gender necessarily. 

813
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,320
Maybe she does because of the 
Mother of Dragons. 

814
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,400
Maybe that's part of some vision
that she had, but we can't 

815
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,840
assume specifics. 
All we know is that Quais had a 

816
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,600
reason to go to car. 
If it's probably this reason, 

817
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:38,400
and it may be something that 
she's known for a while and has 

818
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,200
been waiting for a while, but 
could it could also just be a 

819
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,320
short time? 
We know that she's been at least

820
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,320
there for half a year, but 
that's it. 

821
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,280
That which is not not a whole 
lot to work with. 

822
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,080
So maybe it's been five years, 
but at least a half a year? 

823
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,760
Chicken defeats egg. 
It's a question in the fandom 

824
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,240
whether the Dragons spurred the 
return of magic or the other way

825
00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:03,440
around. 
Quaith weighs in on this 

826
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,120
directly after they all witness 
some St. 

827
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,120
Fire magic. 
Quaith points out that it's not 

828
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:11,480
a trick. 
Jogo calls it a trick, and 

829
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,320
Quaith corrects him. 
Danny's a bit surprised to see 

830
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:15,320
her. 
She's like, Quaith, where'd you 

831
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:16,520
come from? 
Because they were just walking 

832
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,760
around the city. 
And then Quaithe appears in the 

833
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,960
crowd and like, oh, hello, Karth
is huge. 

834
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,440
So this is a problem almost 
certainly not an accident. 

835
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:28,640
Quaith was following her or 
using the same sort of magic. 

836
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,240
Quaith knew Danny would show up 
in the square that day. 

837
00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:33,600
And I was like, well, I'll wait 
here and she'll show up. 

838
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:35,640
So you can't rule out magical 
means. 

839
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,680
I mean, if she knew Danny would 
show up in Karth eventually, 

840
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,480
then maybe she could know she 
would show up in this particular

841
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,240
Plaza. 
You know, it's similar enough 

842
00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:48,280
that you can't rule it out. 
Danny is curious what Quaith is 

843
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:49,640
talking about. 
She's like, what do you mean? 

844
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:54,560
And here's what she says. 
Half a year gone, that man could

845
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,400
scarcely wake fire from 
dragonglass. 

846
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,880
He had some small skill with 
powders and wildfire, sufficient

847
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,560
to entrance a crowd while his 
cut purses did their work. 

848
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,680
He could walk across hot coals 
and make burning roses bloom in 

849
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,080
the air. 
But he could no more aspire to 

850
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,120
climb the fiery ladder than a 
common fisherman could hope to 

851
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:18,320
catch a Kraken in his Nets. 
Danny looked uneasily at where 

852
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:22,680
the ladder had stood. 
Even the smoke was gone now and 

853
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:27,320
the crowd was breaking up, each 
man going about his business in 

854
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,720
a moment. 
More than a few would find their

855
00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:32,760
purses flat and empty. 
And now? 

856
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:37,680
And now his powers grow, 
Khaleesi, and you are the cause 

857
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,840
of it. 
Me, She laughed. 

858
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:45,400
How could that be? 
Quaithe responds simply because 

859
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,560
you're the Mother of Dragons. 
And this is a curious moment. 

860
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,200
Because it's, it's less cryptic,
it's more indirect. 

861
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,040
It's just straight up because 
you're the Mother of Dragons, 

862
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:58,280
you know? 
But I've always been on the side

863
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,920
that the Dragons are one of the 
things that returned when magic 

864
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,360
came back. 
Not that the Dragons caused the 

865
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,680
other magical things to happen 
or return, but that is 

866
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,200
absolutely what Quaithe is 
saying. 

867
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,440
She is totally saying that the 
Dragons brought it back. 

868
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,640
Now she knows better than me. 
She knows better than all of us.

869
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,080
Probably assuming she's telling 
the truth, which she probably 

870
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,080
is. 
Old Dan, of all people, agrees. 

871
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,720
She claims that she could smell 
the red comet and says it 

872
00:45:23,720 --> 00:45:28,360
represents Dragons. 
OSHA similarly says it blood and

873
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,080
fire, which of course to us is a
draconic reference, and 

874
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:33,960
Melisandre straight up calls it 
Dragon's breath. 

875
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:39,400
So yeah, these are all lesser 
users of sorcery, and Old Dan's 

876
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,800
not a user of sorcery, just a a 
fount of knowledge about the 

877
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:48,080
supernatural. 
And they're all saying similar 

878
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,640
things. 
They're all kind of talking 

879
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,640
Dragons or things like Dragons 
or the product of Dragons, like 

880
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,240
dragon breath. 
It's fun to think about this as 

881
00:45:55,240 --> 00:45:58,760
an aside of this fire magician 
who's making way more money now 

882
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,000
because of the return of magic. 
And there was probably like 

883
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,120
happening all over the world, 
like all sorts of magicians and 

884
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:10,880
and St. performers are like, 
whoa, we got raises now. 

885
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:15,480
One of the reasons I'm I don't 
really get on board with the 

886
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,800
idea that the Dragons brought 
magic to the world is that the 

887
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,080
others came back before the 
Dragons were born, for example, 

888
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,280
like they obviously appear in 
the prologue and the Dragons 

889
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:25,720
don't happen until the end of 
the book. 

890
00:46:25,720 --> 00:46:27,840
It's a whole, well, it's like 
months, if not a year. 

891
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,160
The comet even appeared before 
the Dragons were born, just 

892
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,640
barely. 
Like, it appeared like minutes 

893
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,600
or hours before, but still 
before. 

894
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,520
Now, of course, they see that as
the heralding. 

895
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,360
They're like, yeah, this is, 
this is the comets coming 

896
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,800
because of all this, you know, 
because the Dragons are about to

897
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,560
be born. 
But she doesn't say but wait a 

898
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,400
second, wait a second. 
She didn't say magic is more 

899
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:49,920
potent because Dragons were 
born. 

900
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,720
She said magic is more potent 
because you are the Mother of 

901
00:46:53,720 --> 00:46:55,080
Dragons. 
She didn't say it's because they

902
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,360
were born, because you are the 
Mother of Dragons. 

903
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,240
That's not quite the same thing,
is it? 

904
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:05,480
If Quaithe sees Danny as Azora 
High, and I think she does, And 

905
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,680
Benaro, the high priest of the 
Red Temple of Volantis, the 

906
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:13,680
biggest one, also says so, then 
what she might be saying instead

907
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,760
of the birth of the Dragons 
brought magic to the world is 

908
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:21,240
no, you, You are the omen, not 
the Dragons. 

909
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,520
The Mother of Dragons is the one
that matters. 

910
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,520
That's the spike, that's the 
milestone. 

911
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,840
That's the big thing here. 
Not the Dragons that you 

912
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:34,440
brought, but you. 
You're the one that matters 

913
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,480
here. 
You're the unique happening. 

914
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:41,480
You're the symbol of end times 
of times of destruction and then

915
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,040
renewal. 
She's that her Dragons are the 

916
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,680
tool for that. 
But without Danny, none of that 

917
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,760
happens. 
That's an interesting way to 

918
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,760
look at it and and in a lot of 
ways it fits better because 

919
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,320
again, this conundrum with 
magic, the Dragons didn't it 

920
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,920
just doesn't seem to fit, even 
though Quaithe and old Nan and 

921
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,360
these other characters are seem 
to be pretty trustworthy know 

922
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,040
what they're talking about, but 
they can easily be wrong. 

923
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:08,880
I mean, this is this is deep 
stuff here, by the way, the, the

924
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,280
idea that this is destruction 
and renewal is what we're headed

925
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,120
for. 
It's super fitting for a dragon 

926
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:19,760
to be that personification. 
And you need a brain, a human to

927
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:21,200
guide. 
The Dragons aren't just going to

928
00:48:21,240 --> 00:48:24,880
scorch earth Westeros on their 
own just for the hell of it. 

929
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,440
You need a, a, a, a leader. 
The Mother of Dragons has to 

930
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,720
guide them towards that. 
The renewal part is what comes 

931
00:48:31,720 --> 00:48:35,200
after, right? 
You destroy, and then on the 

932
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:39,280
ashes a new world comes, right? 
The Dragons aren't part of that 

933
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,240
part. 
Dragons don't grow trees, right?

934
00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:42,520
Dragons don't plant or plant 
trees. 

935
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,320
Same difference. 
Well, you know, if we're really 

936
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,920
getting into the weeds, I bet 
dragon fertilizer is pretty good

937
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,840
stuff. 
Pretty strong stuff anyway. 

938
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:56,400
But that aside, what in this 
planet, what in planet Toast can

939
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,200
destroy like a dragon? 
The Doom. 

940
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:00,480
Nothing. 
Nothing that. 

941
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,920
Nothing that humans can control.
And very few humans can even 

942
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,600
control Dragons. 
And why are we talking about 

943
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:11,480
destruction and renewal? 
Because Westeros is very stuck 

944
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,440
in its system. 
It has existed in this very 

945
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:18,520
similar state of affairs without
technological advancement, 

946
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:23,120
without cultural advancement for
a long time. 

947
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:28,400
And that might be why they need 
a little kick in the butt, you 

948
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:32,320
know, get out of that cycle, 
break that wheel, burn that 

949
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,280
wheel. 
And of course, there's the 

950
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,640
others that are coming to 
potentially reset a lot of 

951
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,240
things that would be destruction
and renewal, and that may have 

952
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:42,240
been what the Children of the 
Forest had in mind in the 1st 

953
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:46,200
place. 
Freeze everybody else out, then 

954
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,600
renew with just them. 
So a little fire. 

955
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:54,360
Nice combo there. 
A curious touch. 

956
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:59,480
Here's a moment with Quaithe and
Danny that very much bears extra

957
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,240
attention. 
Sorcery may be afoot. 

958
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,800
Actually, sorcery may be a hand 
quote. 

959
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:12,000
The woman stepped closer and lay
2 fingers on Danny's wrist. 

960
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,360
You are the Mother of Dragons, 
are you not? 

961
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,360
She is, and no spawn of shadows 
may touch her. 

962
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,680
Jogo brushed Quaithe's fingers 
away with the handle of his 

963
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,600
whip. 
The woman took a step backward. 

964
00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:30,720
You must leave this city soon, 
Daenerys Targaryen, or you will 

965
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:32,640
never be permitted to leave it 
at all. 

966
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,560
Danny's wrist still tingled 
where Quaithe had touched her. 

967
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,960
Where would you have me go? 
She asked. 

968
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,760
There's zero chance this 
tingling means nothing, right? 

969
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,120
It has to matter. 
It has to be an evidence of 

970
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,080
something, some sort of magic 
happened there. 

971
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,400
They're romance. 
Mr. Romance, Danny's like, oh, 

972
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:55,640
your touch thrills me. 
Every time we touch I get this 

973
00:50:55,640 --> 00:51:01,960
feeling. 
So my favorite guess, and really

974
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,720
the only guess I have, is that 
it has to do with Quaithe 

975
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,320
appearing in her dreams later. 
Like she radio tagged her, Geo 

976
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,720
tagged her, and is like, now I 
can find you like a bug. 

977
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,400
Now I can track you, your 
location anywhere I want. 

978
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,840
I can. 
Without that physical contact, 

979
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,200
she wouldn't be able to enter 
Danny's dreams later. 

980
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,120
It's never referenced again. 
This tingling wrist. 

981
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:26,560
Danny's wrist doesn't tingle 
later, but it's not nothing, 

982
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,560
right? 
We don't have any even 

983
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,600
comparable magic though, to base
it on. 

984
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,400
I can't think of anything in the
books that's similar to that. 

985
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,160
Like a like, yeah, geotag, for 
lack of a better word. 

986
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:39,840
Like I will always be able to 
find you. 

987
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,400
Now I have a tracking device on 
you. 

988
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,680
But it's also a tracking device 
with a speaker and a projector, 

989
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:46,160
right? 
Because of video projector. 

990
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,840
Because Quaithe appears in her 
dreams. 

991
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,840
Again, it's not quite dreaming, 
but waking dreams type 

992
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,480
situation. 
And the warning is fairly 

993
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,000
straightforward too, and 
probably accurate, right? 

994
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,240
Yeah. 
These powerful people are going 

995
00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:04,080
to first try to coax her. 
Zara's trying to win her over 

996
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:09,400
π's trying to win her over. 
But if that doesn't work, there 

997
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,800
will use other means. 
They'd rather win you over, but 

998
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:16,200
they will take you. 
They will use violence as the 

999
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:17,960
next resort. 
It's not even the last resort, 

1000
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,480
it's the next resort. 
It's like, well, option one 

1001
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,920
coax, option two, option 2, 
take. 

1002
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,600
There isn't really a third, you 
know, that's it. 

1003
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:28,200
They start with one, move on to 
two. 

1004
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,680
If that doesn't work and it's 
very straightforward, it's human

1005
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,480
nature. 
This is, again, not some deep 

1006
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,640
insight that Quaithe is is 
laying on Danny. 

1007
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:40,640
Jorah's saying the same things. 
It's it's good that someone 

1008
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,400
besides Jorah's saying them so 
that Danny gets multiple 

1009
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,120
opinions on that. 
That's useful. 

1010
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,920
But, and Danny's also young. 
So maybe some of these life 

1011
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:54,640
lessons that are kind of obvious
need to be restated, need to be 

1012
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,880
made clear to Danny that, you 
know, this is really important, 

1013
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,080
not just kind of important. 
So there are those who theorize 

1014
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,920
that Quaithe was actually 
sending visions to Danny before 

1015
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,200
her first appearance, before 
Quaithe's first appearance. 

1016
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,640
All that mother Dragons talk 
inside her head in Game of 

1017
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,320
Thrones when she's having fever 
dreams, the visions of her 

1018
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,760
ancestors with gemstone eyes, 
all that, you know, mother 

1019
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,600
Dragons, you'd go, go move, do 
all this stuff like the things 

1020
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:23,160
that were pushing her to, well, 
do what she did that ended up in

1021
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,280
hatching the eggs. 
Some people would guess that 

1022
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,960
that was Quaithe all the way 
back then. 

1023
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,560
I'm not really on that train 
because I think the wrist 

1024
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,560
touching is what enabled Quaithe
to do start doing that and it 

1025
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,440
hadn't happened yet. 
But I don't have a huge amount 

1026
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,240
of confidence in that. 
But I would also think there'd 

1027
00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:45,080
be something, some clue to 
connect Quaithe to those visions

1028
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,600
if she was behind them. 
And there's nothing really, no 

1029
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:51,680
like 2 seconds of a red lacquer 
mask appearing, that would be 

1030
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,080
too obvious. 
But there's just nothing, you 

1031
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,160
know? 
And when Quaithe appears in 

1032
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,000
these visions later, it's 
Quaithe. 

1033
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,640
It's not someone else that she 
realizes, it's Quaithe. 

1034
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:03,320
It's just her. 
She just projects herself. 

1035
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:08,320
So none of these other examples 
that might be Quaithe have 

1036
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,400
Quaithe in them. 
And the ones that we know are 

1037
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,880
Quaithe, she's always in it. 
So that doesn't necessarily 

1038
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,320
align. 
So I kind of think that I would 

1039
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:19,800
guess no on that theory that 
Quaith was sending dreams to 

1040
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,120
Danny before they even 
encountered each other in Carth.

1041
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,720
Can't eliminate it, though. 
Definitely can't eliminate it. 

1042
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:31,720
Quaithe's quirky compass. 
Probably the most famous thing 

1043
00:54:31,720 --> 00:54:35,520
Quaithe says is this thing we're
about to read, and she repeats 

1044
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,520
it a few times. 
You all will recognize it. 

1045
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,280
It's the first one. 
The first time she says it, it's

1046
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,520
a bit more than halfway through 
a Clash of Kings quote. 

1047
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,320
To go north, you must journey 
South. 

1048
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:51,160
To reach the West you must go E.
To go forward, you must go back,

1049
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,560
and to touch the light you must 
pass beneath the shadow. 

1050
00:54:55,720 --> 00:55:00,120
Ashai Danny thought she would 
have me go to Ashai. 

1051
00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:04,040
Will the Ashaii give me an army?
She demanded. 

1052
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,560
Will there be gold for me and 
Ashai? 

1053
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,200
Will there be ships? 
What is there in Ashai that I 

1054
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,920
will not find in Karth? 
Truth. 

1055
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,880
Said the woman in the mask and 
bowing. 

1056
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:22,360
She faded back into the crowd. 
Danny was like channeling the 

1057
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,760
Tickler there. 
Will there be gold and ash eye? 

1058
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:25,680
Will there be ships? 
You're. 

1059
00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:33,080
Right. 
So what truth might that be? 

1060
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:34,480
Quite says truth. 
But what? 

1061
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:35,880
What truth? 
Something about Danny's 

1062
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:40,560
ancestry, her purpose, Something
uncomfortable that Quait doesn't

1063
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:42,440
want to tell her straight up 
because it'll turn her off from 

1064
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,000
listening in the anymore. 
It's like, well, I'm going to 

1065
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,160
tell you that you're the Mother 
of Dragons, you know that? 

1066
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:48,560
I'm going to tell you that 
you're Azora High. 

1067
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,640
You're the prophesied savior of 
the world. 

1068
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:53,880
Do you believe me? 
You know, I think it's a rough 

1069
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,920
thing to just drop on somebody. 
Maybe, maybe you got to bring 

1070
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,440
her along slowly, or maybe you 
have to point her in the right 

1071
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,200
direction so she learns it for 
herself. 

1072
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,160
If he learns it for herself, 
she'll she's a lot more likely 

1073
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:06,040
to believe it and take it to 
heart than if just some random 

1074
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,800
stranger in a red lacquer mask 
is telling her. 

1075
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,040
And this also speaks to 
something we'll get into a 

1076
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,360
little deeper later in the 
episode about why Quaith is so 

1077
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,360
darn cryptic. 
That's part of why maybe maybe 

1078
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,480
is to get Danny to think rather 
than just to tell her things. 

1079
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,040
And if Danny, the more Danny 
thinks, the more it will 

1080
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:24,840
resonate within her, the more 
she'll, like I said, take it to 

1081
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:26,640
heart. 
And again, she doesn't say 

1082
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,120
prophecy. 
She says truth. 

1083
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,840
She also doesn't say answers. 
She says truth, which it's not 

1084
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,320
the same thing, right? 
Because these these truths might

1085
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,160
refer to questions Danny isn't 
asking, questions she doesn't 

1086
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,520
know to ask. 
She hasn't learned that yet. 

1087
00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:44,720
And she's not going to ask Shy. 
Whatever is being said here, 

1088
00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:47,000
it's not going to happen. 
And George already knew that 

1089
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:48,880
when he wrote it. 
Be very clear on that. 

1090
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:50,800
He hadn't. 
He didn't make that decision 

1091
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,920
after this. 
He made it before. 

1092
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,520
He still wrote it as people like
Quaithe and even Jora are trying

1093
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,640
to get her to go there, but she 
decides not to. 

1094
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,360
So these truths again will have 
to be learned elsewhere since 

1095
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,880
she's not going to Ashai. 
And that's, that's speaks to my 

1096
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,480
earlier point about, well, Ashai
can come to her through people 

1097
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,840
who have been there and have 
that knowledge, that truth, 

1098
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,040
whatever that truth is. 
That might make it harder to 

1099
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:15,680
accept again, because if it's 
coming from Melisandre or Quaif 

1100
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:20,320
or Macoro or Marwin or all of 
them, well, it would help if 

1101
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,080
it's all of them. 
If they are telling her 

1102
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:23,400
something, she's more likely to 
believe it. 

1103
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,680
But if it's something she learns
from, like an old book or 

1104
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,400
something like that, that's 
she's going to, that's, that's 

1105
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,280
certainty that it's not an 
ulterior motive. 

1106
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,440
If she just reads in a text 
like, well, this old book isn't 

1107
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,240
trying to screw me over. 
It's not trying to steal from 

1108
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:37,520
me. 
It doesn't want something from 

1109
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:39,160
me. 
It's a book, you know, it's a 

1110
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,920
scroll. 
So that taking out the human 

1111
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,640
element might have been what 
George was originally thinking 

1112
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,160
about. 
Like, well, if Danny just reads 

1113
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,360
this in a scroll, then you know,
that's, that's a lot more 

1114
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,960
believable. 
How does this relate though to 

1115
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,760
Danny's fight against the Long 
Night eventually? 

1116
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,960
On the surface, it's easy to see
a connection in that well, 

1117
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,560
Aishai is where the ancient 
legends about Azorahai and the 

1118
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:05,360
last Long Night are kept there. 
That's the one place on 

1119
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,720
Planetos, or maybe the most 
likely place on Planetos where 

1120
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:12,320
there would be records of it, or
written even. 

1121
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,320
Certainly there don't seem to be
in Westeros. 

1122
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,200
Maybe they're maybe in the 
Citadel is a little bit, but 

1123
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:20,560
Aishai is the place where you 
would think the majority of the 

1124
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:24,240
best sources would be. 
So that you can just kind of see

1125
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,200
just from a very high level is 
like, well, that would be a 

1126
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,200
reason for Danny to go there to 
learn about those things. 

1127
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,240
But take that back and say, 
well, she could learn those 

1128
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,680
things from individuals who have
learned that that can be passed 

1129
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:35,040
on to her. 
She doesn't have to go learn it 

1130
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:39,520
directly, but it also would help
learn what they're facing. 

1131
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,720
If you know what happened in the
last long night, if you read 

1132
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,560
about it and get lots of detail 
that really helps you understand

1133
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:45,840
what you're going to face this 
time. 

1134
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,240
It really helps you understand 
what the consequences would 

1135
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:49,840
would be if you aren't 
successful. 

1136
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,480
And that can be very motivating.
And to repeat, Danny doesn't 

1137
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,200
even really know about that yet.
It's just a long night to her. 

1138
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:59,400
Like it's just like a not, not 
something imminent. 

1139
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,080
She hardly knows about it. 
And that's really important. 

1140
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:05,000
Keep in mind when Danny ponders 
the cryptic meanings behind 

1141
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:06,880
these things, she can't consider
that. 

1142
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,520
She can't consider the long 
night of the others. 

1143
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:12,000
That's not something that she 
will land on as a as a solution 

1144
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,160
or as an answer. 
She's not aware of it yet. 

1145
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,480
So that might be part of the 
truth that she still needs to 

1146
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,400
learn. 
And you can't just tell someone 

1147
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,120
all that. 
I was like, so Danny, 8000 years

1148
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:23,760
ago, there were these icy beings
that emerged. 

1149
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:25,600
We don't know exactly where they
came from. 

1150
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:29,080
Let me we'll talk about that 
later, but they might be coming 

1151
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:32,760
back and like, how do you just 
tell her all that Danny's 

1152
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,880
doesn't have a basis you, it's 
too much to tell all at once. 

1153
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:39,560
You have to bring that along 
slowly. 

1154
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:41,440
You have to spoon feed this 
information. 

1155
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,400
She has to learn a little bit 
about it, learn to accept that, 

1156
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,680
get a little more, because what 
she may have to eventually 

1157
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:49,320
accept is that she has to face 
that. 

1158
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:53,880
She has to set aside the thing 
that she's entirely focused on. 

1159
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,360
Her entire arc has been focused 
on reclaiming the crown, 

1160
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:59,680
reclaiming the throne. 
Eventually, she's got to divert 

1161
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:03,560
from that plan to go north right
during after, before. 

1162
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:05,800
We're not exactly sure how the 
timing will work out, but 

1163
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:10,160
someone's going to send her 
north, and this is set up for 

1164
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:13,160
that. 
Right before she even knows that

1165
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:18,040
problem exists, Quaithe is 
leading her towards it, for lack

1166
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,680
of a better term. 
This is kind of Quaithe's style.

1167
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:24,840
A lot of prophet type characters
describe images and interpret 

1168
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:28,320
them, and Quaith does that in in
one point at least with the 

1169
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:34,120
whole this, you know, Kraken and
dark flame, lion and Griffin, 

1170
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,880
sun, sun, all that stuff. 
Those are symbolic 

1171
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:41,440
interpretations of people. 
But mostly Quaithe gives 

1172
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:46,280
directions. 
She's not telling her of images 

1173
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:49,760
and imagery or things that she 
own she dreamt of. 

1174
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:53,520
She's saying you got to do this,
you got to do that, you got to 

1175
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:56,680
be a dragon, you got to go E, go
West. 

1176
01:00:56,680 --> 01:01:00,480
That's cryptic, but it's not 
painting a picture, it's telling

1177
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,720
her you know what to do. 
It's kind of like a map. 

1178
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:05,800
She's painting a map. 
It's a weird map, like I said, 

1179
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,360
with a strange compass, where 
north is South and E is West. 

1180
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:10,840
It's like an MC Escher map, 
really. 

1181
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:15,080
It just doesn't make sense. 
The Cthulhu map where you look 

1182
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,040
at it twice and it's different 
the second time. 

1183
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,720
Every time it's different 
because your mind can't process 

1184
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:22,320
it. 
So I think that's the big part 

1185
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,720
is Quaithe is bringing her along
slowly because you can't just 

1186
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:29,520
fire hose all this cryptic end 
of the world apocalypse 

1187
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,280
information. 
You know, it's too much to tell 

1188
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,680
somebody all in just a minute or
two or one session. 

1189
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:36,160
You got to bring them along 
slowly. 

1190
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,360
Danny has to learn. 
It's a curriculum, end of the 

1191
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:41,240
world curriculum. 
You can't do it all in one 

1192
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:42,720
class. 
You can't do it in one session. 

1193
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:47,720
The Crohn's eye says Lovecraft 
creeping in Viaquoith's name. 

1194
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,640
It's an anagram for Ethaq. 
Ethaq. 

1195
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,000
I don't know how to say that. 
ITHAQUE. 

1196
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:55,840
An alternate spelling of 
Issaquah the Windwalker. 

1197
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,800
One of the Great Old Ones in the
Cthulhu mythos. 

1198
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:02,840
Probably an Easter egg, huh? 
That definitely went over my 

1199
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:04,520
head. 
And it's a very good chance 

1200
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:05,880
you're right about that. 
It could be. 

1201
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:07,920
Anyway, That's cool. 
Yeah. 

1202
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:12,240
And we obviously know already 
that George is big on Lovecraft 

1203
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,400
references because it was a big 
influence on him growing up, 

1204
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:16,920
especially the farther E you go,
the more Lovecraft stuff there 

1205
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,040
is. 
And well, Quaithe is from the 

1206
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,960
Far East. 
So could indeed, could indeed be

1207
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:23,040
an Easter egg. 
I like that. 

1208
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:25,960
This is a good example of a very
spread out topic. 

1209
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:30,400
And something that I think is 
one of the things that I think 

1210
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,640
we bring to the table when we're
making episodes is it's pretty 

1211
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,480
hard to keep track of Quaithe. 
She's, she's important, but not 

1212
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:40,800
important enough or prominent 
enough that you don't forget 

1213
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:42,240
about her temporarily. 
Then she's like, Oh yeah, 

1214
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,320
Quaithe, she comes back, you're 
reading a Danny chapter, and 

1215
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,200
there she is again. 
But her stuff is so spread out 

1216
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:50,240
among so many different books, 
unless you hone in on it like 

1217
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,760
we're doing now, it's really 
hard to glean much from it 

1218
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,800
because it can easily just kind 
of mix into the whole amalgam of

1219
01:02:55,800 --> 01:03:00,080
prophecy and stuff that isn't 
quite ascertained by Danny yet. 

1220
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:01,800
Stuff that maybe she will 
eventually understand but 

1221
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:04,080
doesn't yet. 
It all just kind of mixes into 

1222
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,120
that. 
And only getting into the weeds 

1223
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:09,080
like we're doing now is when you
really start to see that it's 

1224
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,680
really well defined in some 
ways, and Quaith is very unique 

1225
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,400
in a lot of other ways, and 
that's great. 

1226
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:17,640
We love that. 
It's yet another example of 

1227
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:20,880
reading between the lines, 
digging deep and being rewarded.

1228
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,600
We've covered A Clash of Kings, 
we've covered Quaith's debut, 

1229
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,520
and we've covered Karth. 
Let's go to A Storm of Swords 

1230
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:32,680
and dreams in the belly of 
Valerian. 

1231
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:37,440
The early portion of A Storm of 
Swords sees Danny aboard 

1232
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,800
Illyrio's ships, right? 
Karth is where those ships 

1233
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:42,960
arrive. 
She gets on them, renames them 

1234
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:47,400
after Aegon's Dragons, Aegon and
the Sister's Dragons, and she 

1235
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,160
has a lot of time to think and 
dream. 

1236
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:53,640
Quote. 
That night she dreamt that she 

1237
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:58,000
was Rhaegar riding to the 
Trident, but she was mounted on 

1238
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:02,960
a dragon, not a horse. 
When she saw the usurpers rebel 

1239
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:08,280
host across the river, they were
armored all in ice, but she 

1240
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:13,400
bathed them in dragon fire and 
they melted away like dew and 

1241
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:15,800
turned the Trident into a 
torrent. 

1242
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:21,640
Some small part of her knew that
she was dreaming, but another 

1243
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:25,800
part exalted. 
This is how it was meant to be. 

1244
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:30,480
The other was a nightmare and I 
have only now awakened. 

1245
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:35,640
She's absolutely being a dragon 
in this dream right? 

1246
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:38,200
She is literally a dragon. 
She is bathing them in dragon 

1247
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:43,680
fire from her own dream mouth. 
How would the Trident gone if 

1248
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,320
they had a dragon there? 
May not have even happened in 

1249
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:50,440
the 1st place, but if she did or
if they did, it would have been 

1250
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:53,720
the end of it. 
The Robert and the his buddies 

1251
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:56,680
would have been toasted, or in 
this case melted away as the 

1252
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:59,240
dream is showing, destroying her
enemies. 

1253
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:01,880
And this is where it kind of 
overlaps. 

1254
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:04,920
Danny does have to face these 
enemies. 

1255
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:07,560
She has to face political 
enemies in Westeros and that's 

1256
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:11,480
what she's expecting to face. 
But in this dream, she's melting

1257
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:15,000
her enemies, which kind of 
foreshadows who the real enemy 

1258
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,440
is. 
The ones who would melt, which 

1259
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:19,760
humans wouldn't. 
But the ultimate enemy the 

1260
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:24,040
Others, they would melt to her 
dragon fire and that is really 

1261
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:26,920
interesting as well because of 
the way this is framed she at 

1262
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:30,040
the end given that sentence 
there the last line she's 

1263
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:33,520
feeling like the dream is 
reality and reality is a dream 

1264
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:38,440
that she's awoken from. 
That's creepy and very 

1265
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:42,760
intriguing because at the same 
time, as it says, she also knows

1266
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:44,880
she's dreaming. 
A part of her knows she's 

1267
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:48,480
dreaming, but it seems like the 
other factors are are more 

1268
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:51,760
prominent. 
The fact that she's exalting and

1269
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:54,320
feeling strong and feeling like 
that's the real world. 

1270
01:05:55,280 --> 01:06:00,200
This is important in Quaithes, 
again, in quotes dream 

1271
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:04,200
appearances, Danny is never 
fully asleep, but she's also 

1272
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:08,040
never fully awake. 
It's like to get into Danny's 

1273
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:09,800
dream to make Danny have these 
visions. 

1274
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:11,520
There she has to be in a certain
state of mind. 

1275
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:14,680
She gets to do it at any time of
day, any point she wants. 

1276
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:17,560
It has to be when Danny is like 
half asleep or feverish or 

1277
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:21,440
delirious or drowsy. 
That seems to be a pattern here,

1278
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:24,440
as you'll see as we go through 
these examples, you'll notice 

1279
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:28,040
that it's that's always a thing 
that's prominent in these in 

1280
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:31,880
these scenes. 
So after that after she says the

1281
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,880
other was a nightmare and I have
only now awakened, she actually 

1282
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:39,040
does awaken here quote. 
She woke suddenly in the 

1283
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:42,400
darkness of her cabin, still 
flush with triumph. 

1284
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:47,280
Valerian seemed to wake with 
her, and she heard the faint 

1285
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:52,280
creak of wood, water lapping 
against the hull, a footfall on 

1286
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:56,040
the deck above her head, and 
something else. 

1287
01:06:56,640 --> 01:07:00,960
Someone was in the cabin with 
her, eerie, geeky. 

1288
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:05,160
Where are you? 
Her handmaids did not respond. 

1289
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:09,280
It was too black to see, but she
could hear them breathing. 

1290
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:12,840
Jorah, is that you? 
They sleep. 

1291
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:15,440
A woman said. 
They all sleep. 

1292
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:20,040
The voice was very close. 
Even Dragons must sleep. 

1293
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:22,800
I gotta admit, that line kind of
throws me. 

1294
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:26,400
Even Dragons must sleep. 
I mean, her Dragons are asleep 

1295
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:28,360
in the scene. 
They're sleeping in the bedroom 

1296
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:30,600
with her. 
But this seems like that's a 

1297
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:33,120
very ordinary thing to say. 
Like, yeah, Dragons need to 

1298
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:34,520
sleep. 
Everything needs to sleep. 

1299
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:37,120
So yeah, I'm a little puzzled by
that one. 

1300
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:39,160
I would love to hear 
interpretations from y'all on 

1301
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:41,280
this one, because I really have 
nothing on that. 

1302
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:47,040
It's also interesting that she 
senses Quaithe with sound, like 

1303
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:49,920
she's projecting herself there. 
She's not actually there, but 

1304
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,880
Danny can see her. 
But she heard her before she 

1305
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:55,400
spoke, like Danny sensed her 
somewhere, and I think it's an 

1306
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:57,640
audio thing. 
She's describing how she heard a

1307
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:00,440
faint Crick of wood, water 
lapping against the hall, a 

1308
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,200
footfall, and something else. 
Someone was in the cabin with 

1309
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:06,040
her. 
So it's Quaithe's projection. 

1310
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:10,760
Does their footsteps or is it 
just she'd making a sound, she'd

1311
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:13,000
like, breathe heavily or 
something like that? 

1312
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:14,920
So that's interesting. 
And I wonder what that's all 

1313
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:18,160
about. 
Like a sensory thing that is too

1314
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:22,000
fleeting or unspecific for us to
put our finger on. 

1315
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:26,680
Or Danny, too. 
So later, Quaithe will say that 

1316
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:29,240
only Danny can see her. 
So Danny's like, well, are you 

1317
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:30,279
here, you know, blah, blah, 
blah. 

1318
01:08:30,279 --> 01:08:32,680
And she's like, Nope. 
And so Danny's like, trying to 

1319
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:33,800
figure out what the hell is 
going on. 

1320
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,040
And Quaithe will also tell her 
that these aren't dreams. 

1321
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:39,279
So it's sort of like Quath is 
priming her. 

1322
01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:41,960
She's like, yeah, like, stop 
freaking out about the fact that

1323
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:43,800
I'm here. 
So I'm trying to figure out what

1324
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:46,040
this means. 
Like, yeah, I know this is weird

1325
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:48,560
that I just appeared to you, but
it's not a dream. 

1326
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:52,080
And don't worry about that. 
Listen to what I'm saying and 

1327
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,600
not don't worry about why I'm 
here. 

1328
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:57,279
That's hard to do, though. 
Like, how did you get in here? 

1329
01:08:57,560 --> 01:08:59,960
How? 
If this is a dream, how is this 

1330
01:08:59,960 --> 01:09:01,439
puzzle, You know, like, none of 
this makes sense. 

1331
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:05,080
It's hard for Danny to listen to
what Quath is saying When none 

1332
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:07,279
of what's happening should be 
possible without supernatural 

1333
01:09:07,279 --> 01:09:09,279
means. 
And if supernatural means are 

1334
01:09:09,279 --> 01:09:12,359
occurring, well that's that. 
You got to put your guard up 

1335
01:09:12,359 --> 01:09:13,560
there. 
You're like, wait, what is what 

1336
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:19,120
kind of spell is going on here? 
It gives Quaithe a little more 

1337
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:22,000
gravitas though. 
It's like, OK, you really should

1338
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:23,240
pay attention to what I'm 
saying. 

1339
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:26,479
There's another aspect of my 
powers that you didn't know 

1340
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:30,520
existed until I appeared to you 
in a waking dream type scenario.

1341
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:34,600
If this doesn't overaw you a 
little bit, well, I've got more 

1342
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:37,000
work to do, but it's part of 
like, you really should listen 

1343
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:38,520
to me. 
I'm powerful. 

1344
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:43,840
It's very similar to why Stannis
gives way to Melisandre. 

1345
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:45,680
He's not like I don't believe in
the red God. 

1346
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:48,399
I'm not religious, but she 
undeniably has power. 

1347
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:51,640
She can do things that regular 
folk can't. 

1348
01:09:52,359 --> 01:09:54,760
Quaithe is kind of demonstrating
a little of that for Danny. 

1349
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:57,600
She's not like, you know, doing 
tricks like the fire, the flame 

1350
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:01,760
things or using deception in the
in the way Melisandre does. 

1351
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:05,240
But it's still proving herself 
right. 

1352
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:08,360
So did Quaithe send that dream 
about Rhaegar? 

1353
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:12,240
The one that kicked us off that 
had her dreaming about being a 

1354
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:15,120
dragon? 
The two reasons I suspect that 

1355
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:18,120
is one. 
Well, we had two reasons. 

1356
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:21,880
I suspect that one, which is 
that Danny has exactly 1 dream 

1357
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:22,960
about Rhaegar. 
This one. 

1358
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:24,320
That's it. 
She doesn't have any other 

1359
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:28,120
dreams about Rhaegar. 
The only other vision she has of

1360
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:31,320
Rhaegar is that Song of Ice and 
Fire vision right where where 

1361
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:34,240
Rhaegar's naming his kid and 
he's talking to Elia. 

1362
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:37,360
That's a vision in the House of 
the Undying. 

1363
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:39,800
That's not a dream she had or a 
vision she had elsewhere. 

1364
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:43,200
And because it's in the House of
the Undying, we can be pretty 

1365
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:45,520
confident that that one wasn't 
sent by Quaithe. 

1366
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:52,400
But this one might be because 
it's not only is it right before

1367
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:55,600
Quaithe appears, like Danny has 
this dream, then Quaithe appears

1368
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:58,000
like interrupting the dream or 
right when it gets to its 

1369
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:01,200
climax. 
But in the dream, she's a 

1370
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:03,440
dragon. 
And that's what Quaithe keeps 

1371
01:11:03,440 --> 01:11:06,440
telling her to be. 
That's a recurring piece of 

1372
01:11:06,440 --> 01:11:10,800
advice or imploring thing that 
Quaithe says is you got to be a 

1373
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:13,200
dragon. 
So see, since she is that in 

1374
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:17,160
this dragon, she's showing Danny
what she can do and how powerful

1375
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:21,520
it is like projecting her. 
Look, you need to do this to win

1376
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:25,080
Exalt in it. 
Yes, that's the good feeling. 

1377
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:27,640
You should have this good 
feeling when you win, and that's

1378
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:31,920
what you should be doing. 
So it really would fit if 

1379
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:34,880
Quaithe sent that dream, even 
though we're not sure that she 

1380
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:36,960
can. 
But I think we can be sure she 

1381
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:37,960
can. 
Because as we're going to talk 

1382
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:42,120
about here briefly, the most 
likely candidate in my mind and 

1383
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:45,240
in a lot of people's minds 
throughout this fandom is that 

1384
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:49,520
the the mechanism for Quaithe to
appear like she does, to be 

1385
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:51,720
there but not really be there is
glass candles. 

1386
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:54,040
Well, a glass candle. 
She probably doesn't have 

1387
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:55,880
multiples. 
You never know, I guess, but 

1388
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:59,680
probably just has one. 
We don't know exactly what a 

1389
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:03,440
glass candle can do, but it is 
absolutely described as being 

1390
01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:07,240
able to do that, send visions to
other people. 

1391
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:12,920
So if that fits right, and if 
you can do that, then maybe you 

1392
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:15,200
can send dreams because that's 
also sort of hinted at by Marwin

1393
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:18,840
later, but we're not entirely 
sure about that. 

1394
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,480
So it's a strong possibility. 
Let's leave it at that for now. 

1395
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:26,200
The scene continues here though,
with Danny asking questions and 

1396
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:30,400
getting a familiar response. 
She is standing over me. 

1397
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:34,520
Who's there? 
Danny peered into the darkness. 

1398
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:38,680
She thought she could see a 
shadow, the faintest outline of 

1399
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:41,440
a shape. 
What do you want of me? 

1400
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:45,000
Remember, to go north you must 
journey S. 

1401
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:49,000
To reach the West you must go E.
To go forward you must go back, 

1402
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:52,200
and to touch the light you must 
pass beneath the shadow. 

1403
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:57,760
Quaithe Danny sprung from the 
bed and threw open the door. 

1404
01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:02,480
Pale yellow Lantern light 
flooded the cabin, and Eerie and

1405
01:13:02,480 --> 01:13:08,160
Jikki sat up sleepily. 
Khaleesi murmured, Jikki rubbing

1406
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:11,240
her eyes. 
Vissarion woke and opened his 

1407
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:15,120
jaws, and a puff of flame 
brightened even the darkest 

1408
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:18,960
corners. 
There was no sign of a woman in 

1409
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:22,960
a red lacquer mask. 
Khaleesi, are you unwell? 

1410
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,000
Asked Jiki. 
A dream? 

1411
01:13:26,440 --> 01:13:29,840
Danny shook her head. 
I dreamed a dream. 

1412
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:32,160
No more. 
Go back to sleep. 

1413
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:37,640
All of us go back to sleep. 
Yet try as she might, sleep 

1414
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:41,480
would not come again. 
Soquith doesn't have a lot of 

1415
01:13:41,480 --> 01:13:47,040
time in this moment. 
She has only enough space to say

1416
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:51,760
a couple of sentences and she 
repeats this cardinal direction 

1417
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:54,160
thing, this quirky compass bit 
with the touch, the light you 

1418
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:56,080
must pass me near the shadow. 
So that is clearly very 

1419
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:57,440
important to her. 
Of all the things she could have

1420
01:13:57,440 --> 01:14:01,160
said there. 
She repeats that if we're going 

1421
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:05,080
to take this is the going back 
part is going to vase dothrack 

1422
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:06,680
going returning to vase dothrack
it. 

1423
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:08,560
It's fitting enough because it 
really does look like she's 

1424
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:11,480
going to go back to vase 
dothrack to go north. 

1425
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:15,360
You must journey. 
SI think that's not necessarily 

1426
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:19,480
too hard to understand. 
In other words, to go north in 

1427
01:14:19,480 --> 01:14:23,040
Westeros, you must journey S 
Dragonstone is in the South the 

1428
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:26,640
way we reckon it. 
So she goes to Westeros, does 

1429
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,400
stuff in the South, goes N after
that. 

1430
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:32,200
That could fit. 
It may not exactly being what's 

1431
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:33,840
said here, but it certainly 
fits. 

1432
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:38,800
And as far as you must reach to 
reach the West, you must go E 

1433
01:14:39,480 --> 01:14:43,080
That's trickier because like 
where E she's already been as 

1434
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:46,440
Far East as she's going to go. 
Going back to Vase, Dothrak 

1435
01:14:46,440 --> 01:14:48,960
seems to already be covered in 
this later this this next 

1436
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:52,080
sentence. 
And it's not east of Karth. 

1437
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:56,520
It's pretty much straight South 
or vase straight north of Karth.

1438
01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:59,960
Really. 
So, yeah, so that's I'm not so 

1439
01:14:59,960 --> 01:15:02,480
sure about that. 
But maybe to go east to east she

1440
01:15:02,480 --> 01:15:04,280
must to learn those things about
the east. 

1441
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:07,320
You just literally go there. 
It's still pretty tricky. 

1442
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:10,280
But also Danny is hardly even 
able to pay attention to all 

1443
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:13,160
this. 
She's just like too thrown by 

1444
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:15,640
Kuwait's presence to even 
listen. 

1445
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:17,560
She's like, what? 
How are you even here? 

1446
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:20,120
How are you talking to me? 
What the hell? 

1447
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:23,520
And she doesn't tell her 
handmaids the truth. 

1448
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:25,000
She's like, yeah, I was just 
dreaming. 

1449
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:26,200
She doesn't want to frighten 
them. 

1450
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:28,640
She's not sure what she saw. 
So she she wouldn't even know 

1451
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:30,080
how to describe what just 
happened. 

1452
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:33,440
She's like, well, actually 
remember that Lady with the mask

1453
01:15:33,440 --> 01:15:35,960
back in Carth? 
She was just here, you know, in 

1454
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:39,320
the room with us and then y'all 
woke up and she was gone. 

1455
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:42,200
Never mind, you know, What's she
going to say there? 

1456
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:45,280
So I was talking about this 
section. 

1457
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:48,520
We we entitled dreams in the 
belly of Valerian. 

1458
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:52,800
But as we said, they weren't 
really dreams and Quaithe is 

1459
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:54,360
going to elaborate on that here 
in a moment. 

1460
01:15:57,320 --> 01:16:03,160
Glass candles. 
Here's the second time Quaithe 

1461
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:07,000
seems to appear while not 
actually being there. 

1462
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:10,600
Quote. 
A bath will help soothe me. 

1463
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:15,040
She padded barefoot through the 
grass to her terrace pool. 

1464
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:19,440
The water felt cool on her skin,
raising goosebumps. 

1465
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:22,960
Little fish nibbled at her arms 
and legs. 

1466
01:16:23,440 --> 01:16:28,760
She closed her eyes and floated.
A soft rustle made her open them

1467
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:32,120
again. 
She sat up with a soft splash. 

1468
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:35,960
Misande. 
She called eerie. 

1469
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:38,560
Jeeky. 
They sleep. 

1470
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:41,720
Came the answer. 
A woman stood under the 

1471
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:46,400
Persimmon tree, clad in a hooded
robe that brushed the grass 

1472
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:51,400
beneath the hood. 
Her face seemed hard and shiny. 

1473
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:54,040
She's wearing a mask, Danny 
knew. 

1474
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:57,240
A wooden mask finished in dark 
red lacquer. 

1475
01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:03,120
Quaithe, am I dreaming? 
She pinched her ear and winced 

1476
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:07,000
at the pain. 
I dreamt of you on Valerian when

1477
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:13,080
first we came to Astopor. 
You did not dream then or now, 

1478
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:17,520
so this is the straightforward 
reason why I keep saying she 

1479
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:22,000
wasn't asleep and the evidence 
is there besides Disquit's 

1480
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:25,560
statement. 
She was laying in the pool, 

1481
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:28,520
closed her eyes and floated. 
She wasn't actually asleep, she 

1482
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:32,400
was just drowsing, like resting 
with her eyes closed. 

1483
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:37,320
And once again, like the last 
time, a a sound alerted her to 

1484
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:40,960
quit's presence and not a 
speaking sound, a rustle. 

1485
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:42,720
This time it's more explicit. 
The other time it was just 

1486
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:46,320
something else. 
It was it's made to sound more 

1487
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:49,560
mysterious and creepy. 
In this case, the second example

1488
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:52,760
for second instance, it's a 
little more clear what's 

1489
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:55,120
happening, but still not sure. 
She's still like a little 

1490
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:59,000
freaked out, not scared. 
Danny is very hard to scared but

1491
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:00,480
she's like what the hell she's 
confused. 

1492
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:02,960
You know, it's funny because I 
mean, it's I don't think it is 

1493
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:06,560
at all the same mechanism at 
which Blood Raven and Bran used 

1494
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:08,880
the wherewitchree. 
But it's the same word, the same

1495
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:11,440
rustling in the leaves. 
You know that that they here to 

1496
01:18:11,440 --> 01:18:13,200
tell that. 
So it's interesting to be the 

1497
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:15,120
same, but it's not the same 
magic. 

1498
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:18,600
It definitely speaks to that 
magical overlap theory that 

1499
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:22,600
seems to be a guiding overall 
principle of how George's world 

1500
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:26,160
works, that if there's certain 
forms of magic that exist, other

1501
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:29,840
cultures and disciplines can 
probably tap into that same 

1502
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:33,640
thing, doing it differently or 
putting a different name on it, 

1503
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:37,320
for example, lots of different 
prophecy magic, right? 

1504
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:39,440
There's tons of prophecy magic. 
In our necromancy episode, we 

1505
01:18:39,440 --> 01:18:41,920
talked about how there's various
forms all over the world of 

1506
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:44,600
animating the dead or 
resurrections or whatever. 

1507
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:46,960
So here we go. 
This is another example. 

1508
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:51,040
The rustling, as a Shaya said, 
is how the weirwood tree sounds 

1509
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:54,880
or when they're speaking. 
That's the verb George chooses. 

1510
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:56,960
It's rustling, or adverb. 
That adverb. 

1511
01:18:56,960 --> 01:19:00,400
Yeah, anyway, it's the same word
he uses, so that's very distinct

1512
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:02,440
and notable. 
Good catch by Ashea there. 

1513
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:07,000
So we have a lot of evidence 
that these are not dreams. 

1514
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:09,640
Not just Quake saying it, but 
the description of what's 

1515
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:11,440
happening when each of these 
scenes plays out. 

1516
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:15,920
So what I can kind of glean from
this is Quake, can't you? 

1517
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:18,200
Again, Quake can't just get in 
Danny's head in time. 

1518
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:21,000
She wants there has to be like 
an opening, and that opening is 

1519
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:23,800
when Danny's relaxing or half 
asleep, something like that. 

1520
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:25,960
That's her. 
That's when the windows open for

1521
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:28,440
Quake to get in there and and 
say something. 

1522
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:30,960
And so she's kind of choosing 
her moments. 

1523
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:34,960
Maybe she's like trying all day.
She's like, let me try again to 

1524
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:36,320
get in Danny's head. 
All right, it doesn't work. 

1525
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:37,480
Try again. 
All right. 

1526
01:19:37,480 --> 01:19:38,720
It still doesn't work. 
All right. 

1527
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:41,040
Oh, now it's working, you know. 
So then she says what she needs 

1528
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:45,200
to say again. 
Danny is very hard to scare. 

1529
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:49,080
She's not not really afraid 
here, but confused for sure and 

1530
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:50,880
wondering what the hell is going
on. 

1531
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:55,080
Waking up to someone using 
sorcery in your bedroom when you

1532
01:19:55,080 --> 01:20:01,240
were asleep is just not cool 
man, but Danny has to ask some 

1533
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:05,640
questions to make sure that it 
really is magic she's dealing 

1534
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:07,160
with here. 
She that takes a lot of 

1535
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:09,040
convincing right. 
You won't can't just go oh, that

1536
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:11,480
must be magic. 
You got to that takes a little 

1537
01:20:11,480 --> 01:20:14,040
more evidence right. 
So here come those questions, 

1538
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:16,480
quote. 
What are you doing here? 

1539
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:20,520
How did you get past my guards? 
I came another way. 

1540
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:24,880
Your guards never saw me. 
If I call out, they will kill 

1541
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:27,360
you. 
They will swear to you, but I am

1542
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:29,920
not here. 
Are you here? 

1543
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:35,600
No, hear me, Daenerys Targaryen,
the glass candles are burning. 

1544
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:39,800
Soon comes the pale mare, and 
after her the Others lowercase 

1545
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:43,000
Others. 
By the way, y'all oh, Kraken and

1546
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:47,600
dark flame, lion and Griffin, 
the sun's sun and the mummer's 

1547
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:49,240
dragon. 
Trust none of them. 

1548
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:53,960
Remember the undying. 
Beware the perfumed seneschal. 

1549
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:56,840
We'll talk through The Who those
individuals are later. 

1550
01:20:56,840 --> 01:21:01,600
Let's just focus on the scene, 
what Quaithe is doing here and 

1551
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:05,120
what this points to which again 
glass candle. 

1552
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:06,760
It really points to glass 
candle. 

1553
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:09,200
We don't really have another 
option as far as I know some 

1554
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:12,640
other if it's something else, 
it's an an unknown sorcery that 

1555
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:15,480
hasn't been described, which is 
seems unlikely. 

1556
01:21:15,480 --> 01:21:18,560
George doesn't really operate 
like he gives us a little bit 

1557
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:21,080
right. 
She actually says too at the 

1558
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:23,520
beginning of this, the second 
sentence or third sentence, she 

1559
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:25,640
says the glass candles are 
burning. 

1560
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:28,040
Straight up says it. 
That's a pretty strong clue. 

1561
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:32,440
And Zaro said the same thing. 
Zaro Zalandaxis says the glass 

1562
01:21:32,440 --> 01:21:36,040
candles are burning in the House
of Urethon Nightwalker that have

1563
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:41,520
not burned in 100 years. 
This might be a connection that 

1564
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:45,280
that Quaithe has in Karth. 
Maybe she knows this Urethon 

1565
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:48,800
Nightwalker guy. 
Maybe she has access to that 

1566
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:51,040
glass candle. 
If she's using a glass candle, 

1567
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:54,440
which again, I'm like 99% sure 
that's the answer here. 

1568
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:57,080
Where is it? 
Is it in Karth? 

1569
01:21:57,320 --> 01:21:58,520
Probably because that's where 
she is. 

1570
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:02,760
I doubt she fled back to Ashey 
after Danny got on those ships. 

1571
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:06,240
She probably just stayed where 
she was. 

1572
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:07,880
Maybe not that. 
Maybe she went back to Ashey 

1573
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:10,560
where she had as a glass access 
to a glass candle and is now 

1574
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:14,400
able to talk to Danny because 
she touched her on the wrist and

1575
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:17,520
left the the tracking device, 
the magical tracking device. 

1576
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:22,800
Glass candles are a Valyrian 
artifact, but the technology 

1577
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:25,040
could have been created earlier 
than them. 

1578
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:27,640
Like Valyria could have 
recreated that technology like 

1579
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:30,440
the Great Empire. 
The Dawn or ET could have have 

1580
01:22:30,440 --> 01:22:33,600
that technology as well. 
Just like we theorized that the 

1581
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:37,680
Great Empire had Dragons and 
knew all sorts of dragon lore 

1582
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:40,920
way before the Valyrians, and 
even possibly that's where the 

1583
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:43,120
Valyrians got some of it was 
from the Great Empire. 

1584
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:49,360
Now, in classic George R Martin 
fashion, the biggest lesson, the

1585
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:53,840
most revealing notes we get on 
glass candles comes in the book 

1586
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:57,320
that Danny isn't in A Feast for 
Crows. 

1587
01:22:57,800 --> 01:23:02,960
It begins in the prologue quote.
Armen looked down his nose at 

1588
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:06,200
Lazy Leo. 
He had the perfect nose for it, 

1589
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:11,200
long and thin and pointed. 
Archmaester Marwin believes in 

1590
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:17,480
many curious things he said, but
he has no more proof of Dragons 

1591
01:23:17,480 --> 01:23:20,880
than Mollander, just more 
sailors stories. 

1592
01:23:21,480 --> 01:23:23,320
You're wrong. 
Said Leo. 

1593
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:26,280
There is a glass candle burning 
in the mage's chambers. 

1594
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:30,000
A hush fell over the torch lit 
terrace. 

1595
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:35,120
Armin sighed and shook his head.
Mollander began to laugh. 

1596
01:23:35,440 --> 01:23:39,040
The Sphinx studied Leo with his 
big black eyes. 

1597
01:23:39,480 --> 01:23:43,360
Rune looked lost. 
Pate knew about the glass 

1598
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:45,960
candles, though he had never 
seen one burn. 

1599
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:48,920
They were the worst kept secret 
of the Citadel. 

1600
01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:52,680
It was said that they had been 
brought to Old Town from Valyria

1601
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:57,080
1000 years before the Doom. 
He had heard there were four. 

1602
01:23:57,400 --> 01:24:02,000
One was green and three were 
black, and all were tall and 

1603
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:06,120
twisted. 1000 years before the 
Doom is what? 

1604
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:08,280
That said, we could take that as
an estimate. 

1605
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:09,320
It's probably not. 
Exactly. 

1606
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:11,720
Whenever someone says 1000 years
it's always like a give or take 

1607
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:14,160
a century. 
But that puts it in the 

1608
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:17,760
neighborhood of 1500 years ago, 
long before, say, Valyrian steel

1609
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:20,280
came to Westeros in any notable 
quantity. 

1610
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:23,080
Interesting to wonder why the 
glass candles were specifically 

1611
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:25,120
sent to Old Town. 
Certainly, of all the locations 

1612
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:27,600
in Westeros, it makes perhaps 
the most sense. 

1613
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:32,160
Given this is pre Targaryen of 
Westeros, someone in Valyria 

1614
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:35,200
must have thought it worth 
communicating with the Citadel 

1615
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:41,480
or vice versa, or both, right? 
It can be both and but they said

1616
01:24:41,480 --> 01:24:42,880
more than one. 
They brought four of them. 

1617
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:45,480
So there was more purpose than 
just having one way to talk. 

1618
01:24:45,480 --> 01:24:47,600
They had. 
They wanted multiple ways. 

1619
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:51,320
Maybe they even, maybe they even
intended on setting up a network

1620
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:54,760
like that, putting one of them 
up in some other city, some 

1621
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:57,400
other place where you could use 
it to talk back and forth. 

1622
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:02,080
But that didn't happen. 
Maybe it did for a while, but 

1623
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:03,960
then they were put away because 
the glass candles stopped 

1624
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:06,440
working. 
So then they were just used 

1625
01:25:06,440 --> 01:25:09,760
differently. 
They're used by the maesters in 

1626
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:12,440
that initiation ritual. 
They have to light it on their 

1627
01:25:12,440 --> 01:25:13,840
last day. 
Of course they don't. 

1628
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:17,280
But Old Town is something of an 
opposite end of the world city 

1629
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:20,120
from Ash Eye, too. 
That's that's a notable 

1630
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:22,080
geographic feature, at least of 
the world. 

1631
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:27,440
We're shown farthest W Old Town 
city, farthest E Ash Eye. 

1632
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:29,640
You get it backwards with what's
behind you. 

1633
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:32,280
Think about behind you. 
That's true. 

1634
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:36,320
Ash I Westeros, Old Town over 
here. 

1635
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:38,720
Yeah, there we go. 
Got it. 

1636
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:41,520
Right, that side. 
Now, here's an unusual mention 

1637
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:45,400
by Maester Eamonn about this 
relevant stuff. 

1638
01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:48,200
He's also struggling with 
lucidity and consciousness at 

1639
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:49,000
the time. 
Quote. 

1640
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:54,600
When he woke, he'd call for Sam,
insisting that he had to tell 

1641
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:58,720
him something, but OFT does not.
He would have forgotten what he 

1642
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:01,320
meant to say by the time that 
Sam arrived. 

1643
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:06,080
Even when he did recall, his 
talk was all a jumble. 

1644
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:10,720
He spoke of dreams and never 
named the dreamer of a glass 

1645
01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:15,120
candle that could not be lit and
eggs that would not hatch. 

1646
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:19,360
He said the Sphinx was the 
Riddle, not the Riddler, 

1647
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:24,720
whatever that meant. 
Why is Eamonn at this point, 

1648
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:29,360
when he's really moved by what 
he's learned about the Princess 

1649
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:31,200
that was promised, how he wants 
to go to Danny? 

1650
01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:35,080
It energizes him. 
Why is he thinking about the 

1651
01:26:35,480 --> 01:26:38,520
glass candles that can't be lit?
That's like an initiation ritual

1652
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:41,880
for the maesters. 
He would have tried that like 80

1653
01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:44,720
some years ago and probably 
hasn't seen the glass candle 

1654
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:46,040
since because he's been at the 
Wall. 

1655
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:50,080
That's odd. 
Like almost everything that Sam 

1656
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:55,680
is relaying to us about Amon's 
mumblings in his state of mind 

1657
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:59,720
here, it has to do with the 
conversation and doings from the

1658
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:02,880
prologue of A Feast for Crows. 
The dreams never named the 

1659
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:05,560
Dreamer. 
Well, well, let's come back to 

1660
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:08,080
that in a second. 
But the glass candle eggs 

1661
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:10,400
Sphinx. 
The Sphinx was the Riddle, not 

1662
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:12,720
the Riddler, the Sphinx. 
Alaris. 

1663
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:13,720
Right? 
Sorella. 

1664
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:15,160
That's, that's what they call 
her. 

1665
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:19,200
What does she have to do with 
this on a very basic level? 

1666
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:23,640
Well, if Sorella has a purpose 
by being there to gain a Maestro

1667
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:27,160
chain, well, we don't know what 
that purpose is, but she's in 

1668
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:30,080
deeper than that. 
Not only is Eamon dreaming of 

1669
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:34,120
her for some reason, probably, 
which indicates a level of 

1670
01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:37,440
importance for her that we just 
can't ascertain at this time. 

1671
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:40,480
She's connected to the Glass 
Candle directly because she is 

1672
01:27:40,480 --> 01:27:43,280
an associate of Marwins. 
We'll see her in a moment here 

1673
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:47,760
talking about that. 
But spoke of dreams but never 

1674
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:51,200
named the dreamer. 
That's a very peculiar line. 

1675
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:55,240
So that means Eamon's not 
Speaking of his own dreams. 

1676
01:27:55,240 --> 01:27:57,240
If he's not naming the dreamer, 
that implies it's not even 

1677
01:27:57,240 --> 01:27:58,520
apply. 
It says straight out that it's 

1678
01:27:58,520 --> 01:27:59,640
somebody else he's talking 
about. 

1679
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:04,360
So whose dreams could they be? 
Maybe Danny's the dreamer, 

1680
01:28:04,480 --> 01:28:05,440
something like that, I don't 
know. 

1681
01:28:05,440 --> 01:28:10,160
But this is it all seems to a 
lot of it at least seems to 

1682
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:13,120
relate to the prologue of A 
Feast for Crows, which is really

1683
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:15,640
interesting. 
Why is Eamon, why so much of his

1684
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:18,800
mind set on that? 
Is it possible that the glass 

1685
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:22,400
candle is being used to get in 
his head and it's just because 

1686
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:25,400
he's already delirious and and 
old it's coming out like this? 

1687
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:29,280
Probably not if our theory is 
that there needs to be physical 

1688
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:31,160
contact to set it up in the 1st 
place. 

1689
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:34,600
But again, I can't have a super 
amount of confidence in that 

1690
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:37,120
whole touch thing. 
He is a Targaryen. 

1691
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:44,040
So we actually get to see the 
glass candle in the it's it's 

1692
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:46,080
very fitting. 
We we hear about the glass 

1693
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:50,680
candle in the prologue and then 
in the last chapter we see it 

1694
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:54,080
quote. 
The candle was unpleasantly 

1695
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:56,720
bright. 
There was something queer about 

1696
01:28:56,720 --> 01:28:59,480
it. 
The flame did not flicker, even 

1697
01:28:59,480 --> 01:29:04,040
when Archmaester Marwin closed 
the door so hard that papers 

1698
01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:08,560
blew off a nearby table. 
The light did something strange 

1699
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:12,120
to colors, too. 
Whites were bright as fresh 

1700
01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:15,480
fallen snow. 
Yellow shone like gold. 

1701
01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:20,120
Reds turned to flame, but the 
shadows were so black they 

1702
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:24,880
looked like holes in the world. 
Sam found himself staring. 

1703
01:29:25,440 --> 01:29:30,760
The candle itself was 3 feet 
tall and slender as a sword, 

1704
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:33,840
ridged and twisted, glittering 
black. 

1705
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:37,000
Now keep in mind, this is a 
large room. 

1706
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:42,320
It's described as big, yet Sam 
realizes that besides a little 

1707
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:46,360
hearth fire with a kettle on top
of it, it's the only source of 

1708
01:29:46,360 --> 01:29:48,560
light in the whole room. 
So it's pretty darn bright. 

1709
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:50,680
Now, half of this is a 
description of people who just 

1710
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:52,760
aren't used to electric light. 
Like, well, this is like, of 

1711
01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:55,760
course, like when I slam the 
door, the lights in here don't 

1712
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:57,600
flicker either. 
That's not magic. 

1713
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:01,480
But that's just something 
completely alien to these folk 

1714
01:30:01,480 --> 01:30:03,640
who don't live in a, who live in
a world without electricity. 

1715
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:07,400
And this thing about how huge 
that is, though, think about 

1716
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:11,120
someone you know, who's 6 feet 
tall and think of half of that. 

1717
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:13,600
That's how tall the scandal is. 
Really, really big. 

1718
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:17,800
And the way it changes the color
of things, that is creepy. 

1719
01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:20,800
Well done, George. 
The shadows were so black, they 

1720
01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:23,040
looked like holes in the world. 
Whoa. 

1721
01:30:23,440 --> 01:30:27,120
Great sentence. 
It's like an optical black hole.

1722
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:30,160
It like it draws your gaze and 
you can't stop staring at it. 

1723
01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:31,880
And that's kind of what we're 
seeing here. 

1724
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:36,200
Like everyone in the room except
Marwyn, it can't seem to draw 

1725
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:39,600
their eyes away from it. 
And here, here's another take. 

1726
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:41,400
Marwyn describing its 
capabilities. 

1727
01:30:41,400 --> 01:30:44,360
Quote. 
All Valyrian's sorcery was 

1728
01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:48,200
rooted in blood or fire. 
The sorcerers of the Freehold 

1729
01:30:48,200 --> 01:30:51,040
could see across mountains, 
seas, and deserts. 

1730
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:55,480
With one of these glass candles.
They could enter a man's dreams 

1731
01:30:55,480 --> 01:30:59,200
and give him visions and speak 
to one another half a world 

1732
01:30:59,200 --> 01:31:02,320
apart, seated before their 
candles. 

1733
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:05,560
Do you think that might be 
useful Slayer? 

1734
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:10,200
He says yes, basically he's 
like, yeah, but we wouldn't need

1735
01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:14,880
Messenger Ravens anymore. 
And not long after, Alaris 

1736
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:19,480
reveals to Sam that, hey, you 
know how I came to find you in 

1737
01:31:19,480 --> 01:31:22,320
the novices hall? 
That wasn't an accident. 

1738
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:26,760
Marwin saw you using the glass 
candle, and that's how I knew 

1739
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:28,360
you'd be there. 
So I went to pick you up. 

1740
01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:30,960
So this again shows Alaris and 
Marwin are working together. 

1741
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:32,960
Obviously, Marwin's the the the 
one in charge here. 

1742
01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:37,280
And remember, Alaris gives Leo a
look when Leo point out the 

1743
01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:40,880
glass candle is burning. 
Alaris knew that too, as we can 

1744
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:43,120
see here. 
And Leo is in the room for this,

1745
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:45,280
is watching the candle as well. 
He's also just kind of staring 

1746
01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:48,320
at it. 
So Alerus is like, why'd you 

1747
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:51,760
tell when he, when Leo tell Leo 
pointed that out because Alerus 

1748
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:54,600
didn't reveal it. 
She could have said so, but 

1749
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:56,600
didn't. 
So it was kind of like, yeah, 

1750
01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:58,440
maybe you shouldn't have said 
that, you know, but I don't 

1751
01:31:58,440 --> 01:31:59,720
know. 
But maybe not. 

1752
01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:02,880
Maybe that's not what the look 
meant, but it's snow worthy. 

1753
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:06,840
But the implications of Marwin 
knowing how to use the glass 

1754
01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:11,120
candle is very serious. 
You can't see future events, 

1755
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:15,720
though that's not listed as the 
power of the glass candle. 

1756
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:18,840
We just heard a list of what it 
can do and it doesn't say that. 

1757
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:22,920
So what did he see? 
Did he know what to look for? 

1758
01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:25,320
Or was he just like looking into
the glass candle saying hey, 

1759
01:32:25,320 --> 01:32:27,640
what's going to be on like ATV? 
Like what am I going to see 

1760
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:29,520
today? 
And he saw a brother of the 

1761
01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:32,480
Nights watch arriving at Old 
Town and was like, oh, let's 

1762
01:32:32,480 --> 01:32:35,200
let's go talk to him. 
How did he know Sam was 

1763
01:32:35,200 --> 01:32:37,400
important? 
How did he know Sam was someone 

1764
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:40,480
that he needed to go send Alaris
to grab? 

1765
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:43,920
Was it because he saw him 
travelling with Maester Eamon? 

1766
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:46,440
Was it something else? 
What? 

1767
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:47,840
You know, that's really 
interesting. 

1768
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:50,400
Like he picked Sam out using the
glass candle. 

1769
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:52,840
How? 
Yeah, just no idea. 

1770
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:54,200
That's as peculiar though, 
right? 

1771
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:57,200
This line, they could enter a 
man's dreams and give him 

1772
01:32:57,200 --> 01:32:59,800
visions. 
Very plainly stated and very 

1773
01:32:59,800 --> 01:33:02,240
plainly fits with what Quaithe 
has been doing. 

1774
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:05,160
Other than, you know, with a 2 
finger touching thing that maybe

1775
01:33:05,160 --> 01:33:07,480
that's needed to set it up. 
But definitely, this is a 

1776
01:33:07,480 --> 01:33:09,480
description of what they can do.
And that's definitely what she's

1777
01:33:09,480 --> 01:33:12,160
doing. 
The whole the whole idea of 

1778
01:33:12,760 --> 01:33:15,160
people having glass candles that
can speak to each other a world 

1779
01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:17,240
apart, like a telephone or a 
video call. 

1780
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:23,720
Will that come into play? 
If so, this particular glass 

1781
01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:25,600
candle at the Citadel. 
And there's obviously three 

1782
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:26,840
more. 
There's three black ones, 1 

1783
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:30,480
green one. 
This one at least is accessible 

1784
01:33:30,480 --> 01:33:32,280
to these people who are in this 
scene. 

1785
01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:37,680
Maybe it will be used to talk to
some other glass candle 

1786
01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:41,760
somewhere, including maybe the 
one that Quaithe is using. 

1787
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:45,480
Right. 
So we've compared the glass 

1788
01:33:45,480 --> 01:33:48,960
candle a little bit to Green 
Seer Powers and a little bit of 

1789
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:50,440
Quaithe. 
What Quaithe is doing is 

1790
01:33:50,440 --> 01:33:52,600
comparable to Blood Raven and 
Brands relationship. 

1791
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:54,680
But again, it can't see the 
future. 

1792
01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:56,600
That's a big difference. 
Green seers can see the future. 

1793
01:33:57,200 --> 01:34:00,880
Quaithe maybe can see the 
future, but not with the glass 

1794
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:03,240
candle. 
She's got some other means to 

1795
01:34:03,240 --> 01:34:04,720
see the future. 
Maybe. 

1796
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:08,960
Actually, if you put everything 
we've said about Quaithe, 

1797
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:13,840
everything she said, we should 
not assume or even conclude that

1798
01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:19,120
she can see the future. 
What we can extrapolate is that 

1799
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:22,920
she knows the prophecy, has 
confidence in it, and thus can 

1800
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:25,680
check off boxes. 
She can see what's happening and

1801
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:29,440
say, oh, this is Danny is 
fulfilling the terms of the 

1802
01:34:29,440 --> 01:34:31,000
prophecy. 
Here she is checking off the 

1803
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:34,320
boxes of Azor High, thus she 
must be Azor High. 

1804
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:35,720
That doesn't mean she can see 
the future. 

1805
01:34:35,720 --> 01:34:37,440
That doesn't mean she can see 
Danny coming. 

1806
01:34:37,440 --> 01:34:38,800
She doesn't know what Danny's 
going to do. 

1807
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:42,440
It certainly doesn't when she's 
giving warnings about the 

1808
01:34:42,440 --> 01:34:45,000
faithlessness of men and how 
untrustworthy they are. 

1809
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:46,440
That's got nothing to do with 
prophecy. 

1810
01:34:46,440 --> 01:34:50,640
That's just common sense. 
That's just learned wisdom about

1811
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:52,560
the world. 
So. 

1812
01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:55,760
And there's more evidence that 
Quaithe can't see the future 

1813
01:34:55,760 --> 01:34:59,560
anyway. 
Like, for example, in the line 

1814
01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:01,360
that she delivered to Danny 
about the glass, candles are 

1815
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:05,120
burning and she says that the 
sun's sun and the mummer's 

1816
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:08,520
dragon are coming. 
The lion and and Griffin are 

1817
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:12,000
coming. 
Well, Aegon is probably the 

1818
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:15,120
mummer's dragon in that, and the
Griffin is definitely Jon 

1819
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:17,720
Connington. 
She tells Danny they're coming, 

1820
01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:20,440
but they don't. 
They change their mind, they 

1821
01:35:20,440 --> 01:35:23,920
turn, they changed their plans 
and head W instead of east. 

1822
01:35:24,160 --> 01:35:25,920
That doesn't sound like someone 
who can see the future. 

1823
01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:28,520
That sounds like someone who saw
what was currently happening, 

1824
01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:31,160
reported on it, and then it 
changed. 

1825
01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:36,760
So that's a pretty big point 
that I cannot be sure. 

1826
01:35:36,760 --> 01:35:39,280
And given the evidence, it's 
very supportive. 

1827
01:35:39,720 --> 01:35:42,080
We cannot assume Quaith can see 
the future at all. 

1828
01:35:42,400 --> 01:35:45,720
We can only assume that she 
understands the prophecies that 

1829
01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:50,080
that refer to the future, but 
only that she's not actually 

1830
01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:51,640
seeing it. 
She just knows what the prophecy

1831
01:35:51,640 --> 01:35:53,840
says is going to happen and 
she's just going from that. 

1832
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:55,880
So keep that in mind. 
Very important. 

1833
01:35:55,880 --> 01:35:58,440
There very distinct thing about 
her that I think a lot of people

1834
01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:01,080
have maybe assumed too much 
about. 

1835
01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:05,480
Now, let's talk about the other 
person in the room here. 

1836
01:36:05,480 --> 01:36:07,640
And I don't mean Leo Tyrell, 
though he's a little bit 

1837
01:36:07,640 --> 01:36:11,920
interesting too. 
It's Pate the replacement Pate 

1838
01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:16,360
Jock and Hagar Pate. 
He's in the room for all of 

1839
01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:18,680
this. 
That's huge. 

1840
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:22,880
OK, so many of us have theorized
that the reason Jakin is in the 

1841
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:25,920
Citadel is and the reason he 
stole a key and the key is 

1842
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:28,280
important. 
He stole a key that would might 

1843
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:31,520
give him access to different 
rooms all around the Citadel. 

1844
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:34,720
And there's a book that we know 
is locked up the Tyrion thinks 

1845
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:38,120
about called The Death of 
Dragons, and supposedly it, it 

1846
01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:41,200
talks about the vulnerabilities 
of Dragons, how Dragons can die,

1847
01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:43,520
which you can imagine why the 
Faceless Man might want that 

1848
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:46,920
book. 
However, we shouldn't assume 

1849
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:49,360
that because that book is a 
strong candidate that it's the 

1850
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:52,480
only candidate or that it or 
that we're even right about 

1851
01:36:52,480 --> 01:36:54,240
that. 
Now, one of the reasons I think 

1852
01:36:54,240 --> 01:36:56,120
we probably are right about that
is because of the key. 

1853
01:36:56,720 --> 01:37:00,480
If Pate's goal was something to 
do with his glass candle, he 

1854
01:37:00,480 --> 01:37:02,480
didn't need the key. 
The key isn't needed here. 

1855
01:37:02,480 --> 01:37:04,960
They're just Marwin's just like,
yeah, come on in and hang out in

1856
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:06,320
my room. 
Look at the glass candle if you 

1857
01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:08,160
want. 
There's no one keeping it from 

1858
01:37:08,160 --> 01:37:09,760
them. 
So I don't know if they need 

1859
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:11,200
that. 
So that's that's that's that's a

1860
01:37:11,200 --> 01:37:14,280
little interesting. 
Now, it's easy to miss. 

1861
01:37:14,720 --> 01:37:17,800
When Sam arrives at the citadel,
he tells his story to Alice. 

1862
01:37:17,800 --> 01:37:19,280
He's like, I can't. 
He just all comes out. 

1863
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:22,680
He's like, yeah, the others, the
dead horses, the the dragonglass

1864
01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:23,880
dagger. 
I killed another. 

1865
01:37:24,280 --> 01:37:27,600
The ship down here with Amon, 
Amon talking about the Prince 

1866
01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:31,160
that was promised. 
In the scene with Marwin when 

1867
01:37:31,160 --> 01:37:34,880
he's in the room, it just says 
he repeats that story. 

1868
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:37,960
It's like 1 sentence. 
So it's very easy to miss that 

1869
01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:42,120
he repeats that story with Pate 
in the room. 

1870
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:48,280
Pate hears the flat out 
declaration that Daenerys 

1871
01:37:48,280 --> 01:37:54,000
Targaryen is Azora High. 
He flat out hears that the 

1872
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:56,480
Others exist. 
He flat out hears that Sam 

1873
01:37:56,480 --> 01:37:59,040
killed one with dragonglass. 
He hears all this. 

1874
01:37:59,480 --> 01:38:02,200
We cannot assume the Faceless 
Men knew any of this. 

1875
01:38:02,200 --> 01:38:03,360
They might have known some of 
it. 

1876
01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:05,880
Like there's a lot of stuff here
and they've got to know some of 

1877
01:38:05,880 --> 01:38:06,720
it. 
But all of it? 

1878
01:38:06,720 --> 01:38:11,080
No way what an earful this guy 
just got. 

1879
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:14,040
And he's just and no one cares 
because it's like, well, that's 

1880
01:38:14,040 --> 01:38:15,160
just Pate. 
He's sitting in the room. 

1881
01:38:15,160 --> 01:38:17,440
No one. 
It's just this person that 

1882
01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:20,280
everyone forgets about, 
including a lot of readers. 

1883
01:38:20,280 --> 01:38:21,560
You don't even you God, it's 
easy to miss. 

1884
01:38:21,560 --> 01:38:23,920
He's in that scene because he's 
just standing there staring at 

1885
01:38:23,920 --> 01:38:29,760
the glass candle until the last 
few paragraphs where he offers 

1886
01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:32,640
Sam a place to sleep or actually
he he first. 

1887
01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:36,080
The first thing he says is Sam 
goes is that? 

1888
01:38:36,280 --> 01:38:38,040
And then Pate interrupts and 
says Obsidian. 

1889
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:43,920
And this is one of the big 
tells, by the way, that he's not

1890
01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:45,640
Pate anymore, that he's a 
faceless man. 

1891
01:38:45,640 --> 01:38:49,200
Because in the prologue, when 
all the others are talking about

1892
01:38:50,120 --> 01:38:52,320
dragonglass, we're talking about
the glass candle and what is 

1893
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:54,640
made of. 
He goes, he interjects, he says 

1894
01:38:54,640 --> 01:38:57,280
dragonglass, The small folk call
it dragonglass. 

1895
01:38:57,280 --> 01:38:59,120
And he thinks that seemed 
important somehow. 

1896
01:38:59,160 --> 01:39:00,920
You know, it's like, that's my 
contribution to the 

1897
01:39:00,920 --> 01:39:04,760
conversation. 
But in this final chapter, when 

1898
01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:10,760
Sam goes is that Pate interjects
Obsidian, not dragonglass. 

1899
01:39:10,760 --> 01:39:13,280
He says Obsidian. 
So it's he says an entirely 

1900
01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:16,440
different thing. 
And then Marwin interjects Pate 

1901
01:39:16,440 --> 01:39:19,960
and says call it dragonglass. 
So it's like the reverse of what

1902
01:39:19,960 --> 01:39:22,760
happened in the prologue. 
Instead of Pate saying call it 

1903
01:39:22,760 --> 01:39:24,880
dragonglass, it's Marwin, which 
is a big tell. 

1904
01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:26,400
These are not the same person 
anymore. 

1905
01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:29,520
Bringing it back to Quaithe, 
this is something Danny might 

1906
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:32,840
need to be warned about. 
The fact that a Faceless man 

1907
01:39:32,960 --> 01:39:35,680
just heard all this stuff about 
her and the Faceless Men don't 

1908
01:39:35,680 --> 01:39:40,280
exactly like Dragons, or 
presumably the Mother of 

1909
01:39:40,280 --> 01:39:43,600
Dragons, right? 
Especially if there's some 

1910
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:46,920
prophesied person that might do 
things that the Faceless Men 

1911
01:39:46,920 --> 01:39:48,080
don't like. 
I mean, they're a whole 

1912
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:50,680
different religion, you know, 
they don't know, can't, can't 

1913
01:39:50,680 --> 01:39:54,320
trust those guys when it comes 
to dragon Lords and dragon 

1914
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:58,080
Queens, etcetera. 
And Marwyn himself, right? 

1915
01:39:58,080 --> 01:39:59,960
He says that you can't trust 
prophecy. 

1916
01:39:59,960 --> 01:40:01,960
You know, he knows about the 
prophecy, but it is you can't 

1917
01:40:01,960 --> 01:40:04,400
take it literally. 
If you do take it literally, 

1918
01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:08,120
you're bound to doom yourself. 
So Quaithe can be wrong too. 

1919
01:40:08,680 --> 01:40:13,600
If all this is based on prophecy
that Quaithe is very confident 

1920
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:16,120
in, and Marwyn here is saying, 
well, don't be too confident in 

1921
01:40:16,120 --> 01:40:19,000
prophecy, well then maybe 
Quaithe isn't quite on track 

1922
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:20,120
here. 
She could be a little wrong. 

1923
01:40:20,120 --> 01:40:22,960
She could be off. 
And that in some ways would be 

1924
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:24,880
pretty fitting for George to 
give this like. 

1925
01:40:25,320 --> 01:40:29,400
Spirit guide of sorts to Danny, 
who is not quite right. 

1926
01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:33,760
Not misleading her necessarily, 
just wrong, right. 

1927
01:40:37,720 --> 01:40:44,440
Prophecy roster or prophecy roll
call, which speaks to, in this 

1928
01:40:44,440 --> 01:40:48,920
case, the people named in Quais 
vision, The pale mare. 

1929
01:40:48,920 --> 01:40:52,200
That's what she says, right? 
Listen, Daenerys Targaryen, the 

1930
01:40:52,200 --> 01:40:56,240
blast candles are burning the 
net, the pale mare will come and

1931
01:40:56,240 --> 01:40:59,760
then blah, blah, blah. 
So credibility, she called it 

1932
01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:01,720
the pale mare. 
The pale mare came. 

1933
01:41:02,480 --> 01:41:07,520
The same word was used. 
It was a a man arriving on the a

1934
01:41:07,520 --> 01:41:11,680
pale mare and he was carrying 
the plague, carrying the bloody 

1935
01:41:11,680 --> 01:41:16,520
flux or whatever it was, and 
then cracking in dark flame. 

1936
01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:19,320
That's pretty straightforward. 
Kraken is Victorian. 

1937
01:41:19,320 --> 01:41:22,000
He's literally on his way to 
Danny Macoro. 

1938
01:41:22,520 --> 01:41:24,840
Dark flame. 
I mean, he's a super dark 

1939
01:41:24,840 --> 01:41:29,320
skinned man and he's a relorist.
Priest Flame dark and he's with 

1940
01:41:29,320 --> 01:41:30,720
Victoria and they're named 
together. 

1941
01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:32,680
Kraken and Dark flame, very 
straightforward. 

1942
01:41:33,160 --> 01:41:37,200
Lion and Griffin, Tyrion and Jon
Connington, also very 

1943
01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:38,680
straightforward. 
And at the time she delivers 

1944
01:41:38,680 --> 01:41:40,920
that line, they are both headed 
to her. 

1945
01:41:41,200 --> 01:41:43,560
Obviously that changes. 
Jon Connington no longer on his 

1946
01:41:43,560 --> 01:41:47,600
way to her, but Tyrion still is.
The sun's sun and the mummer's 

1947
01:41:47,600 --> 01:41:49,360
dragon. 
This is easy too. 

1948
01:41:49,360 --> 01:41:51,800
The son's son is Quentin Martel.
The son. 

1949
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:53,520
Son of Dorn. 
The son's son. 

1950
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:56,040
Yeah, he's easy. 
Aegon. 

1951
01:41:56,040 --> 01:41:57,520
Young Griff, the mummer's 
dragon. 

1952
01:41:57,520 --> 01:42:00,560
The cloth dragon on poles. 
That's Varus. 

1953
01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:03,120
The mummer is Varus. 
This is his dragon. 

1954
01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:05,400
He is the one propping up Young 
Griff. 

1955
01:42:06,040 --> 01:42:08,200
Very straightforward. 
These are both Princess. 

1956
01:42:08,200 --> 01:42:11,400
In this one, one turns into a 
frog and then gets roasted. 

1957
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:13,120
The other. 
We'll see. 

1958
01:42:13,320 --> 01:42:15,000
We don't know what's going to 
happen to Young Griff. 

1959
01:42:15,280 --> 01:42:19,520
He may also get roasted, though 
it may be a similar outcome, a 

1960
01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:23,080
similar end game for him. 
The perfumed seneschal. 

1961
01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:27,160
That's almost certainly Varus. 
Varus is the perfumed guy. 

1962
01:42:27,360 --> 01:42:31,320
He is roughly A seneschal. 
Certainly that role. 

1963
01:42:31,320 --> 01:42:35,320
It's an eastern term seneschal, 
but it applies to Virus's role. 

1964
01:42:35,320 --> 01:42:37,760
It's close enough. 
Danny thinks it must be Resnick.

1965
01:42:37,760 --> 01:42:40,760
She's like Resnick and Quake 
can't say no. 

1966
01:42:40,760 --> 01:42:44,320
Not him, because if she's seeing
these things symbolically in 

1967
01:42:44,320 --> 01:42:47,160
visions or imagery, she doesn't 
know the person's name. 

1968
01:42:47,160 --> 01:42:49,440
She could see Varus, but she 
doesn't know what his name is. 

1969
01:42:49,440 --> 01:42:52,880
She's like bald guy. 
That's who I'm talking about. 

1970
01:42:53,360 --> 01:42:57,400
You know, like both of them wear
perfume right now. 

1971
01:42:57,400 --> 01:43:01,440
Some people think it's the ship,
the Celisori Koran, cause Mokoro

1972
01:43:01,440 --> 01:43:06,000
tells Tyrion that the the 
translation of Celisori Koran is

1973
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:09,240
Stinky Steward, which is very 
similar to perfume Seneschal. 

1974
01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:11,880
But this is probably a red 
herring. 

1975
01:43:11,880 --> 01:43:13,600
And we know George does red 
herrings. 

1976
01:43:14,040 --> 01:43:17,800
There's red herrings about Jon 
Snow's birth, about Ned Stark's 

1977
01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:21,080
pathway to home and other things
too. 

1978
01:43:21,640 --> 01:43:23,800
He doesn't do a lot of red 
herrings, but he definitely does

1979
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:27,040
them. 
So in this case, it's so on the 

1980
01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:30,360
nose smell stinky perfume on the
nose. 

1981
01:43:31,600 --> 01:43:33,560
But this would be repetitive, 
right? 

1982
01:43:33,560 --> 01:43:38,400
It would be repetitive to have 
that stinky steward and she 

1983
01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:41,880
already knows right? 
She already knows that Tyrion 

1984
01:43:41,880 --> 01:43:45,400
and dark flame are coming to her
and that's who's on the Celisori

1985
01:43:45,400 --> 01:43:47,600
Corin. 
It's Tyrion and Macoro Anjora, 

1986
01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:49,080
but he he's not he's not named 
here. 

1987
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:52,400
So why would the prophecy repeat
them? 

1988
01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:56,640
It's like Kraken and dark flame.
Also the ship carrying them. 

1989
01:43:57,120 --> 01:43:59,840
Who cares about the ship? 
Also, it doesn't actually get 

1990
01:43:59,840 --> 01:44:03,480
there. 
It sinks or it it gets be calmed

1991
01:44:03,480 --> 01:44:05,520
and then the slavers come. 
So it same thing. 

1992
01:44:05,520 --> 01:44:08,280
It's it's just floating 
aimlessly out there. 

1993
01:44:08,840 --> 01:44:14,320
And by then McCrory was already 
slept off the off the ship 

1994
01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:16,120
during the storm. 
So he wasn't even on the ship 

1995
01:44:16,120 --> 01:44:18,920
when that happened. 
So that doesn't even work right.

1996
01:44:18,920 --> 01:44:21,240
So that that's kind of a good 
reason to think call that a red 

1997
01:44:21,240 --> 01:44:23,680
herring. 
She says at the end, trust none 

1998
01:44:23,680 --> 01:44:25,720
of them. 
Remember the undying. 

1999
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:29,480
Now, what I think that means is,
well, she the undying or 

2000
01:44:29,480 --> 01:44:31,520
someone, she immediately said 
don't trust them. 

2001
01:44:32,640 --> 01:44:34,840
I was right, wasn't I? 
You trusted the undying. 

2002
01:44:34,840 --> 01:44:36,200
You went there and they tried to
kill you. 

2003
01:44:36,200 --> 01:44:37,720
They tried to steal your life 
force. 

2004
01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:42,040
Think of that. 
Whenever you think of people 

2005
01:44:42,040 --> 01:44:45,320
wanting things from you, they're
all going to be something like 

2006
01:44:45,320 --> 01:44:47,320
that. 
They won't all be supernatural 

2007
01:44:47,320 --> 01:44:49,640
and they're not all going to try
to drain your life force or 

2008
01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:52,720
whatever that was. 
But don't trust anyone because 

2009
01:44:52,720 --> 01:44:55,440
they all want things from you. 
And it's fair. 

2010
01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:59,000
Like look at that list. 
Not all of the above are 

2011
01:44:59,000 --> 01:45:00,600
malevolent. 
None of them are particularly 

2012
01:45:00,600 --> 01:45:02,240
concerned with Danny's 
well-being either. 

2013
01:45:02,240 --> 01:45:03,960
They all want things from her 
too, even the ones who are 

2014
01:45:04,240 --> 01:45:06,280
decent folk, or at least not bad
guys. 

2015
01:45:06,440 --> 01:45:10,240
Quentin, he's dead, but he was 
seeking vengeance, justice, fire

2016
01:45:10,240 --> 01:45:12,640
and blood on behalf of his 
family. 

2017
01:45:12,640 --> 01:45:15,400
As his father tells Aryan. 
Right, that was that's about 

2018
01:45:15,400 --> 01:45:17,080
what they want. 
It's not about what Danny wants.

2019
01:45:17,080 --> 01:45:21,200
It's not about saving the world.
Tyrion same thing, his one of 

2020
01:45:21,200 --> 01:45:25,120
his prime motivations is getting
back at all the people that 

2021
01:45:25,280 --> 01:45:27,680
screwed him, especially his own 
family. 

2022
01:45:27,680 --> 01:45:29,960
So it's also revenge and of a 
different sort. 

2023
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:32,240
He's not about saving the world 
either. 

2024
01:45:32,240 --> 01:45:35,360
Fit to be fair he doesn't know 
that the world needs saving. 

2025
01:45:35,400 --> 01:45:38,440
Maybe with evidence Tyrion will 
change his tune, but for now, 

2026
01:45:38,440 --> 01:45:41,880
Nope. 
Makoro is the perhaps the most 

2027
01:45:41,880 --> 01:45:44,480
interesting inclusion here 
because he believes Danny is 

2028
01:45:44,480 --> 01:45:47,120
Azora Hai come again. 
So he's not an enemy to her, in 

2029
01:45:47,120 --> 01:45:49,200
fact he's explicitly on her 
side. 

2030
01:45:49,480 --> 01:45:52,160
She's the she's the prophet of 
his religion. 

2031
01:45:52,680 --> 01:45:56,920
He you would think is a sincere 
ally, but Quaith included him 

2032
01:45:57,440 --> 01:46:00,120
for some reason. 
So maybe it's again, this whole 

2033
01:46:00,120 --> 01:46:04,560
point about Macoro, Banero, all 
these red priests, they see her 

2034
01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:07,880
as a vehicle to saving the 
world, not as an individual, not

2035
01:46:07,880 --> 01:46:09,120
as someone they really care 
about. 

2036
01:46:09,440 --> 01:46:12,720
So they, they are neutral to her
as a human. 

2037
01:46:13,120 --> 01:46:17,560
They just need her for what she 
is, for her qualities, for her 

2038
01:46:17,560 --> 01:46:19,960
characteristics, not for her 
person. 

2039
01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:24,560
Something I've pointed out many 
times is that it's peculiar as 

2040
01:46:24,560 --> 01:46:28,800
well. 
Who's not on that list, right? 

2041
01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:32,880
She Marwyn leaves for her, gets 
on a ship. 

2042
01:46:32,920 --> 01:46:37,600
This moment he discovers what 
Sam is saying, so he goes to her

2043
01:46:37,600 --> 01:46:40,520
or is heading to her. 
Yet Quaithe doesn't name him. 

2044
01:46:41,080 --> 01:46:45,280
That isn't so confusing though. 
It's not like Oh my God, Marwyn 

2045
01:46:45,280 --> 01:46:49,600
wasn't mentioned because again, 
if you eliminate the possibility

2046
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:51,840
that Quaith was seeing into the 
future, which I think we should 

2047
01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:55,160
at least consider, then she 
couldn't have named Marwin. 

2048
01:46:55,160 --> 01:46:59,480
When she told Danny that because
he wasn't on his way yet, he was

2049
01:46:59,480 --> 01:47:01,160
still just chilling at the 
Citadel. 

2050
01:47:01,760 --> 01:47:04,280
She could only see who was 
actively heading towards her, 

2051
01:47:04,280 --> 01:47:07,920
and at the time, he wasn't all 
those people were. 

2052
01:47:08,440 --> 01:47:10,600
When she named them, all of them
were right. 

2053
01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:13,800
They all were going for Danny, 
for Tyrion, absolutely going for

2054
01:47:13,800 --> 01:47:14,960
Danny. 
Quentin going for Danny. 

2055
01:47:14,960 --> 01:47:18,840
Tyrion trying to get to Danny, 
thanks to, you know, Illyrio 

2056
01:47:18,920 --> 01:47:20,600
Macor, obviously, same thing. 
Yeah. 

2057
01:47:20,600 --> 01:47:21,960
So all of them just going for 
Danny. 

2058
01:47:22,280 --> 01:47:26,200
So there's a lot of evidence 
there that shows that she can't 

2059
01:47:26,200 --> 01:47:28,640
see what's coming, only what's 
happening in the at the current 

2060
01:47:28,640 --> 01:47:31,360
moment. 
She also doesn't mention the 

2061
01:47:31,360 --> 01:47:34,400
other maester because Marwin 
says the Citadel's going to send

2062
01:47:34,400 --> 01:47:36,640
a maester to Danny. 
I need to get there first. 

2063
01:47:37,400 --> 01:47:38,840
So that one's not mentioned 
either. 

2064
01:47:38,840 --> 01:47:41,160
Which again, she couldn't have 
seen that hadn't happened yet. 

2065
01:47:41,760 --> 01:47:44,600
That's now. 
Interestingly, Macoro and 

2066
01:47:44,600 --> 01:47:48,360
Victorian and Tyrion are now at 
Slaver's Bay, but Danny isn't, 

2067
01:47:48,720 --> 01:47:54,800
so when she presumably returns, 
she will learn as well. 

2068
01:47:54,800 --> 01:47:56,520
Presumably, that Quaithe was 
right. 

2069
01:47:56,520 --> 01:47:59,920
She'll be like Macoro. 
Oh, is that dark flame Victorian

2070
01:47:59,920 --> 01:48:03,480
That's cracking, That's easy. 
Tyrion Lion, That's also easy. 

2071
01:48:03,880 --> 01:48:07,720
And she's already gotten the 
proof of Sun Sun and pale Mare. 

2072
01:48:07,960 --> 01:48:09,920
She doesn't know Quentin burned 
to death, but that's not 

2073
01:48:09,920 --> 01:48:13,280
relevant to Quaithe being right 
that he was headed towards her. 

2074
01:48:13,640 --> 01:48:16,760
She hasn't necessarily figured 
out what Son Son meant, but she 

2075
01:48:16,760 --> 01:48:18,840
might, especially if she starts 
thinking along these lines with 

2076
01:48:18,840 --> 01:48:21,400
these easier clues to bring her 
into it. 

2077
01:48:21,400 --> 01:48:24,360
Tyrion Victarian. 
So Daddy has good reason to 

2078
01:48:24,360 --> 01:48:25,880
believe Quaithe. 
She's proving herself. 

2079
01:48:26,160 --> 01:48:28,440
And it's not like, listen to me 
now, trust me now. 

2080
01:48:28,440 --> 01:48:30,960
I'm your servant now. 
It was gradual. 

2081
01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:34,600
It's the way it's winning trust 
over time, which is kind of the 

2082
01:48:34,600 --> 01:48:36,600
right way to do it. 
Like if you're trying to win 

2083
01:48:36,600 --> 01:48:38,920
trust quickly, then you're not 
doing it right. 

2084
01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:43,200
People shouldn't trust you 
quickly on matters of great 

2085
01:48:43,200 --> 01:48:44,920
importance. 
You know, if someone's like, I'm

2086
01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:47,640
giving you $5 to hand me my 
food, well, I trust that. 

2087
01:48:47,640 --> 01:48:49,880
I'm not worried about it. 
But you know, I'm not going to 

2088
01:48:49,880 --> 01:48:54,840
hand someone $5 to invest who I 
don't know to expect. 

2089
01:48:54,840 --> 01:48:57,080
I'm not expecting that $5 back 
if I don't know this person, 

2090
01:48:57,080 --> 01:48:58,640
right? 
But if I get to know them and I 

2091
01:48:58,640 --> 01:49:00,800
learn about them, I say, OK, I 
can trust you with my money. 

2092
01:49:01,440 --> 01:49:03,720
Very similar thing here. 
Danny didn't trust Quaith at 

2093
01:49:03,720 --> 01:49:07,760
first for good reason. 
But here, as time passes and 

2094
01:49:07,760 --> 01:49:11,000
more of Quaithe predictions come
true and Quaithe still seems to 

2095
01:49:11,000 --> 01:49:14,000
have no ulterior motive, Danny's
just going to have more and more

2096
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:17,120
reason to believe and trust and 
be like, this person's been 

2097
01:49:17,120 --> 01:49:20,120
consistent for quite a while. 
They have yet to ask me for 

2098
01:49:20,120 --> 01:49:22,120
anything. 
It's getting harder and harder 

2099
01:49:22,120 --> 01:49:25,200
to ignore what they're saying as
especially with more and more of

2100
01:49:25,200 --> 01:49:28,280
their prediction coming true. 
And this is a great parallel 

2101
01:49:28,280 --> 01:49:30,480
because Stannis says the same 
thing about Melisandre. 

2102
01:49:30,480 --> 01:49:32,880
I think I said it earlier, 
Stannis doesn't necessarily 

2103
01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:36,280
believe in relore, but 
Melisandre clearly has power. 

2104
01:49:36,720 --> 01:49:40,440
Melisandre's exaggerating her 
powers, which that's a part of 

2105
01:49:40,440 --> 01:49:43,560
Stannis's flaw here is that, 
yeah, she knows that about you. 

2106
01:49:43,640 --> 01:49:46,960
She knows that you will respond 
to actual power, and so she will

2107
01:49:46,960 --> 01:49:49,520
exaggerate her powers. 
That said, she does have real 

2108
01:49:49,520 --> 01:49:52,800
power and a lot of it. 
So that's just the interesting 

2109
01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:55,280
thing about Melisandre is that 
she just exaggerates what she's 

2110
01:49:55,280 --> 01:50:00,360
already capable of. 
Why so cryptic? 

2111
01:50:00,440 --> 01:50:02,960
Let's talk about why. 
Why she's not direct. 

2112
01:50:02,960 --> 01:50:06,160
Why not just say these things? 
Why not be more explicit? 

2113
01:50:06,160 --> 01:50:07,560
Why? 
Why be so confusing? 

2114
01:50:08,320 --> 01:50:11,360
Let's let's use an example here.
When Quaithe says fear, the 

2115
01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:14,760
perfumed seneschal Danny 
responds. 

2116
01:50:15,880 --> 01:50:21,400
Resnac, why should I fear him? 
Danny Rose from the pool. 

2117
01:50:21,760 --> 01:50:26,520
Water trickled down her legs and
goose flesh covered her arms in 

2118
01:50:26,520 --> 01:50:30,440
the cool night air. 
If you have some warning for me,

2119
01:50:30,640 --> 01:50:33,640
speak plainly. 
What do you want of me? 

2120
01:50:33,640 --> 01:50:37,680
Quaithe moonlight shone in the 
woman's eyes. 

2121
01:50:38,160 --> 01:50:42,920
To show you the way. 
I remember the way I go north to

2122
01:50:42,920 --> 01:50:48,760
go SE, to go West back, to go 
forward and to touch the light I

2123
01:50:48,760 --> 01:50:53,040
have to pass beneath the shadow.
She squeezed the water from her 

2124
01:50:53,040 --> 01:50:56,440
silvery hair. 
I am half sick of riddling 

2125
01:50:56,760 --> 01:50:59,400
Inkarth. 
I was a beggar, but here I am a 

2126
01:50:59,400 --> 01:51:01,560
queen. 
I command you. 

2127
01:51:02,760 --> 01:51:05,840
And then she's interrupted him. 
If Kuwait's purpose is to save 

2128
01:51:05,840 --> 01:51:08,040
the world, yeah, why be 
mysterious? 

2129
01:51:08,040 --> 01:51:10,960
It's so important. 
If you're telling me we're all 

2130
01:51:10,960 --> 01:51:13,160
going to die unless we act, then
get on with it. 

2131
01:51:13,360 --> 01:51:14,840
Now. 
She's not actually telling Danny

2132
01:51:15,240 --> 01:51:16,560
we're all going to die unless 
you act. 

2133
01:51:17,200 --> 01:51:18,680
But she's still not being 
specific. 

2134
01:51:18,680 --> 01:51:21,360
She's still not giving details. 
It feels counterproductive to 

2135
01:51:21,360 --> 01:51:24,760
that end goal on some level. 
On one hand, it's certainly a 

2136
01:51:24,760 --> 01:51:27,160
literary device. 
Having Danny puzzle over it and 

2137
01:51:27,160 --> 01:51:30,960
be frustrated by it. 
It echoes our own concept of it,

2138
01:51:30,960 --> 01:51:32,520
our own maybe frustrations about
it. 

2139
01:51:32,520 --> 01:51:35,560
Nina says that. 
She says we're as curious as she

2140
01:51:35,560 --> 01:51:37,320
is. 
Her frustration echoes ours. 

2141
01:51:37,320 --> 01:51:39,040
And you can see she is 
frustrated here. 

2142
01:51:39,360 --> 01:51:41,280
Danny's like, I'm half sick of 
riddling. 

2143
01:51:41,280 --> 01:51:44,200
Just come tell me, you know, 
give me, give me the straight 

2144
01:51:44,200 --> 01:51:48,560
dope. 
But Danny is a wonderful mix of 

2145
01:51:48,560 --> 01:51:50,360
relatable to extremely 
unrelatable. 

2146
01:51:50,720 --> 01:51:54,600
This part's very relatable. 
Quaithe isn't being straight 

2147
01:51:54,600 --> 01:51:56,160
with her. 
She's not coming out and giving 

2148
01:51:56,160 --> 01:51:58,680
her regular answer. 
She's cryptic and we're like, 

2149
01:51:59,040 --> 01:52:01,600
can you please be more specific?
Can you please be more clear? 

2150
01:52:02,240 --> 01:52:05,280
When Danny is, you know, a 
prophesied savior birthing 

2151
01:52:05,280 --> 01:52:07,040
Dragons, That's not very 
relatable. 

2152
01:52:07,440 --> 01:52:12,040
But I love that about her that 
she has, she's still very human.

2153
01:52:12,040 --> 01:52:15,080
She still has these relatable 
moments even though she's God 

2154
01:52:15,080 --> 01:52:18,000
like. 
And the other thing, and I've 

2155
01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:20,200
kind of alluded to this 
throughout, is it keeps her 

2156
01:52:20,200 --> 01:52:24,200
thinking about it. 
Quaeth is on her mind a lot 

2157
01:52:24,200 --> 01:52:26,560
because it's a curiosity, 
because it's a mystery. 

2158
01:52:26,560 --> 01:52:28,240
If she just had these 
straightforward answers, she 

2159
01:52:28,240 --> 01:52:29,600
wouldn't have to. 
He wouldn't necessarily think 

2160
01:52:29,600 --> 01:52:31,080
about it. 
And she might just dismiss it 

2161
01:52:31,080 --> 01:52:33,080
because it sounds so crazy and 
and over the top and 

2162
01:52:33,080 --> 01:52:37,200
supernatural and might get her 
to think Quaeth is trying to 

2163
01:52:37,200 --> 01:52:40,400
steer me to something that's not
good for me or something that's 

2164
01:52:40,400 --> 01:52:43,080
steering me towards something 
that's good for her, something 

2165
01:52:43,080 --> 01:52:45,760
that she wants. 
But consistently Quaeth doesn't 

2166
01:52:45,760 --> 01:52:48,960
do that. 
And if and if at the end of all 

2167
01:52:48,960 --> 01:52:52,240
this, if at the end of all this,
Quaithe knows Danny will die or 

2168
01:52:52,240 --> 01:52:55,040
is likely to die, well, you 
know, that's a hard subject to 

2169
01:52:55,040 --> 01:52:57,120
broach, isn't it? 
She's like, yeah, you got to do 

2170
01:52:57,120 --> 01:52:59,360
all these things to save the 
world, which I haven't told you 

2171
01:52:59,360 --> 01:53:01,760
about yet. 
But when I do or when you learn 

2172
01:53:01,760 --> 01:53:04,280
that, I'm also going to have to 
tell you or you're also going to

2173
01:53:04,280 --> 01:53:06,600
learn that at the end of it, 
you're going to die. 

2174
01:53:07,200 --> 01:53:11,920
So that is a good reason to like
break it in slowly to not to 

2175
01:53:11,920 --> 01:53:16,080
gradually like bring her up to 
this tragic conclusion. 

2176
01:53:16,080 --> 01:53:19,200
If if that's where it's headed, 
I do think that's where the 

2177
01:53:19,200 --> 01:53:21,720
story is headed. 
I don't know that that's what 

2178
01:53:21,720 --> 01:53:24,960
Coit is going to say. 
But if coitus comes out and 

2179
01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:27,720
says, well, the others are 
coming, the blah, blah, blah, 

2180
01:53:27,720 --> 01:53:29,160
how's Danny going to believe 
that? 

2181
01:53:29,160 --> 01:53:31,840
You know, it's just too much. 
So there's a lot, there are a 

2182
01:53:31,840 --> 01:53:33,680
lot of reasons for Coit to be 
cryptic. 

2183
01:53:34,520 --> 01:53:39,360
And if you answer directly about
other things, like you can't be 

2184
01:53:39,360 --> 01:53:41,560
obscure, like you can't do both,
right? 

2185
01:53:41,560 --> 01:53:42,760
Because she has to be 
consistent. 

2186
01:53:43,640 --> 01:53:46,400
Also, if Quaithe is seeing 
visions herself, well, these 

2187
01:53:46,400 --> 01:53:48,360
visions aren't going to be 100% 
accurate. 

2188
01:53:48,640 --> 01:53:51,840
They're not going to be 
something she can completely 

2189
01:53:51,840 --> 01:53:54,640
deconstruct. 
In fact, there's an argument 

2190
01:53:54,640 --> 01:53:56,440
that she's not doing that at 
all. 

2191
01:53:56,560 --> 01:54:00,400
That's why it's cryptic, because
she's giving it to Danny raw. 

2192
01:54:00,400 --> 01:54:03,480
She's saying, well this is what 
I saw, so I'm just telling you 

2193
01:54:03,480 --> 01:54:05,320
exactly what I perceived in my 
visions. 

2194
01:54:05,320 --> 01:54:07,720
More support for Quaithe, 
Daenerys Quaithe. 

2195
01:54:08,240 --> 01:54:12,680
Daenerys raw quani? 
Is that the ship name for them? 

2196
01:54:13,800 --> 01:54:15,920
I think it's quaetharis 
Quaetharis. 

2197
01:54:17,120 --> 01:54:21,400
So if Quaeth is seeing visions 
or something like that, which, 

2198
01:54:21,400 --> 01:54:24,840
you know, I'm a little down on 
that, but we got to be open to 

2199
01:54:24,840 --> 01:54:27,440
the possibility, then she's not 
being able to. 

2200
01:54:27,440 --> 01:54:30,040
She can't see precise things. 
She's just seeing visions. 

2201
01:54:30,040 --> 01:54:32,320
Just like Melisandre. 
We see in Melisandre's point of 

2202
01:54:32,320 --> 01:54:34,200
view, she sees blood Raven and 
and Bran. 

2203
01:54:34,440 --> 01:54:37,440
She sees them as like a wolf 
face and a wooden demon or 

2204
01:54:37,440 --> 01:54:41,880
whatever, a tree demon. 
She, that's the kind of things 

2205
01:54:41,880 --> 01:54:45,720
that appear in these visions, 
like they're not literal. 

2206
01:54:46,080 --> 01:54:49,800
So not only should I repeat the 
point that Quaith could just be 

2207
01:54:49,800 --> 01:54:54,680
wrong, but she might be cryptic 
because she's reporting them as 

2208
01:54:54,680 --> 01:54:57,040
they come to her in her mind. 
Like, well, this is what I saw. 

2209
01:54:57,040 --> 01:55:02,240
I saw, you know, the Kraken in a
dark flame, and I didn't know 

2210
01:55:02,240 --> 01:55:04,320
what it means, but I know 
they're coming to you. 

2211
01:55:04,720 --> 01:55:06,600
You might know who those people 
are. 

2212
01:55:06,800 --> 01:55:08,600
I just know what I saw in my 
vision. 

2213
01:55:08,600 --> 01:55:10,920
So I'm just telling you what I 
saw and hope hopefully it's 

2214
01:55:10,920 --> 01:55:13,520
useful to you. 
And that's why, again, to 

2215
01:55:13,520 --> 01:55:17,360
repeat, when Danny's like 
Resnick Quasis is like, I don't 

2216
01:55:17,360 --> 01:55:18,800
know. 
I don't know what the person's 

2217
01:55:18,800 --> 01:55:20,520
name is. 
I just know perfume Seneschal. 

2218
01:55:20,520 --> 01:55:24,520
That's what my vision or the 
glass candle or both told me. 

2219
01:55:25,160 --> 01:55:28,960
I don't have a name. 
I saw somebody you know, and she

2220
01:55:28,960 --> 01:55:30,520
does know. 
What a jerk would you like? 

2221
01:55:30,520 --> 01:55:32,200
I know the names, but I'm not 
going to tell you. 

2222
01:55:32,200 --> 01:55:34,080
I'm going to give you riddles 
instead. 

2223
01:55:34,720 --> 01:55:37,720
That's unlikely. 
As much as she's being cryptic, 

2224
01:55:37,720 --> 01:55:39,840
she's she's got to be cryptic 
for a reason. 

2225
01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:42,880
And that reason isn't to make it
harder on Danny. 

2226
01:55:42,960 --> 01:55:47,520
Like it's not that. 
Now here's how the scene ends. 

2227
01:55:47,520 --> 01:55:51,040
This is when remember Danny got 
interrupted here, and this is 

2228
01:55:51,040 --> 01:55:55,640
the interruption quote. 
Daenerys, remember the Undying. 

2229
01:55:56,120 --> 01:56:00,280
Remember who you are. 
The blood of the dragon. 

2230
01:56:00,840 --> 01:56:03,440
But my Dragons are roaring in 
the darkness. 

2231
01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:07,280
I remember the undying child of 
three. 

2232
01:56:07,280 --> 01:56:11,760
They called me 3 mounts. 
They promised me 3 fires and 

2233
01:56:11,760 --> 01:56:17,440
three treasons, one for blood 
and one for gold and one for 

2234
01:56:18,120 --> 01:56:21,240
Your Grace. 
Nissande stood in the door of 

2235
01:56:21,240 --> 01:56:24,360
the Queen's bedchamber, a 
Lantern in her hand. 

2236
01:56:24,920 --> 01:56:28,880
Who are you talking to? 
Danny glanced back toward the 

2237
01:56:28,880 --> 01:56:32,240
Persimmon tree. 
There was no woman there, no 

2238
01:56:32,240 --> 01:56:35,520
hooded robe, no lacquer mask, no
quake. 

2239
01:56:36,520 --> 01:56:41,720
Where she is now, Well, this is 
obviously confusing to Danny, 

2240
01:56:41,800 --> 01:56:44,520
and she wonders if Quaithe is 
referring to the prophecies of 

2241
01:56:44,520 --> 01:56:48,080
the House of the Undying or just
the lesson of what the Undying 

2242
01:56:48,080 --> 01:56:51,240
were doing, which is tempting 
her with power. 

2243
01:56:51,800 --> 01:56:55,280
And then actually it was all a 
trick to try and steal her 

2244
01:56:55,280 --> 01:56:57,680
power. 
So she doesn't know what whether

2245
01:56:57,680 --> 01:56:59,800
that's what she's talking. 
Well, I have the Undying vision.

2246
01:56:59,800 --> 01:57:01,000
There's a lot of things in 
there. 

2247
01:57:01,080 --> 01:57:04,960
All those threes, those were 
prophecies that I should pay 

2248
01:57:04,960 --> 01:57:06,760
attention to that right? 
But isn't, isn't that what 

2249
01:57:06,760 --> 01:57:09,840
Quaith is talking about? 
Or is it the the more mundane 

2250
01:57:09,840 --> 01:57:12,400
lesson of you shouldn't be 
trusting any people of power who

2251
01:57:12,400 --> 01:57:15,720
want things from you? 
I guess it could be both, which 

2252
01:57:15,720 --> 01:57:19,360
is could be a fitting way for a 
cryptic message to be delivered.

2253
01:57:19,600 --> 01:57:23,400
Danny could think about all 
that, but it also turns a little

2254
01:57:23,400 --> 01:57:26,120
dark when Danny starts to think,
am I going mad? 

2255
01:57:26,920 --> 01:57:31,800
Like why do I keep seeing Quaith
like this runs in my family mad.

2256
01:57:31,800 --> 01:57:34,160
This runs in my family and now 
I'm like seeing somebody. 

2257
01:57:34,160 --> 01:57:39,040
Is it really it's it's difficult
introspection on her part, but 

2258
01:57:39,040 --> 01:57:42,560
she does it still though, I 
mean, I think it's sorcery. 

2259
01:57:42,560 --> 01:57:44,360
Y'all mostly think it's sorcery 
probably. 

2260
01:57:44,640 --> 01:57:47,360
But it's very interesting to put
ourselves in Danny's place and 

2261
01:57:47,360 --> 01:57:49,680
think this is it's troubling for
her for a lot of reasons, 

2262
01:57:49,680 --> 01:57:51,840
because it isn't so simple. 
She doesn't understand what 

2263
01:57:51,880 --> 01:57:53,280
she's talking, what Kwait is 
talking about. 

2264
01:57:53,280 --> 01:57:57,800
She, again, doesn't know about 
the long night, so she doesn't 

2265
01:57:57,800 --> 01:58:01,600
have context for a lot of what 
these things even mean. 3 fires,

2266
01:58:01,600 --> 01:58:02,960
3 treasons. 
Yeah. 

2267
01:58:03,200 --> 01:58:05,760
Like, is that what you're 
talking about? 

2268
01:58:05,800 --> 01:58:08,200
Is or is is that something I 
should be considering 

2269
01:58:08,200 --> 01:58:10,000
separately? 
Yeah, it's, it's tricky. 

2270
01:58:10,960 --> 01:58:15,240
Now, another idea I like is that
Danny has repressed memories. 

2271
01:58:15,240 --> 01:58:18,120
Remember, like the lemon tree, 
the house with the red door. 

2272
01:58:18,120 --> 01:58:20,400
There's something going on there
that's a little weird, a little 

2273
01:58:20,400 --> 01:58:22,440
off. 
Danny has some false memories 

2274
01:58:22,440 --> 01:58:24,520
there. 
Or maybe it's a bigger story 

2275
01:58:24,520 --> 01:58:27,160
than that. 
There may be other things Danny 

2276
01:58:27,160 --> 01:58:29,640
has forgotten, or maybe that is 
really relevant and Quaith may 

2277
01:58:29,640 --> 01:58:33,400
be trying to jog Danny's memory 
to get her to remember these 

2278
01:58:33,400 --> 01:58:35,880
things rather rather than just 
telling her. 

2279
01:58:36,640 --> 01:58:38,640
The problem with that is, well, 
how would Quaithe know any of 

2280
01:58:38,640 --> 01:58:41,320
these things? 
Where we've stripped down a lot 

2281
01:58:41,320 --> 01:58:46,360
of what Quaithe's powers are to 
glass candle and shadow binding,

2282
01:58:46,360 --> 01:58:48,760
which is shadow binding probably
isn't that relevant to talking 

2283
01:58:48,760 --> 01:58:52,120
to Danny from afar. 
And if she's just operating on 

2284
01:58:52,120 --> 01:58:54,760
what she already knows about the
prophecy rather than seeing 

2285
01:58:54,760 --> 01:58:58,840
current visions, then this 
wouldn't be feasible. 

2286
01:58:59,560 --> 01:59:03,120
But if Danny lost things to 
trauma and youth and, and, or 

2287
01:59:03,120 --> 01:59:07,520
just whatever other factors and 
Quaithe knows about that through

2288
01:59:07,560 --> 01:59:11,440
supernatural means or otherwise,
well, that's really convincing. 

2289
01:59:11,440 --> 01:59:14,680
If Danny remembers these things 
within herself, that's that's a 

2290
01:59:14,680 --> 01:59:19,080
lot more certain to her than 
someone telling her right? 

2291
01:59:21,760 --> 01:59:28,080
Delirium on the Dothraki Sea 
after she flies away with Drogon

2292
01:59:28,080 --> 01:59:33,840
from Daznac's pit, she spends 
some time living with Drogon on 

2293
01:59:33,840 --> 01:59:37,120
his new dragonstone his his 
dragonstone of the Dathraki Sea.

2294
01:59:37,520 --> 01:59:41,600
But you know she can't stay just
you know food is a problem and 

2295
01:59:41,640 --> 01:59:44,720
you know she's not exactly going
to accomplish her goal lost on 

2296
01:59:44,720 --> 01:59:46,880
the steps. 
But she's getting weak and 

2297
01:59:46,880 --> 01:59:51,240
hungry and getting lightheaded, 
which opens her mind up for 

2298
01:59:51,240 --> 01:59:53,320
Quaeth to get in there. 
Right from what we said about 

2299
01:59:54,160 --> 01:59:58,440
Sleepy Drowsy, this is the 
opening she lays down. 

2300
01:59:59,040 --> 02:00:02,560
Quote. 
Off in the distance, a wolf 

2301
02:00:02,560 --> 02:00:05,920
howled. 
The sound made her feel sad and 

2302
02:00:05,920 --> 02:00:10,560
lonely, but no less hungry. 
As the moon rose above the 

2303
02:00:10,560 --> 02:00:15,120
grasslands, Danny slipped at 
last into a restless sleep. 

2304
02:00:15,880 --> 02:00:21,680
She dreamed all her cares fell 
away from her, and all her pains

2305
02:00:21,680 --> 02:00:25,760
as well, and she seemed to float
upward into the sky. 

2306
02:00:26,320 --> 02:00:31,320
She was flying once again, 
spinning, laughing, dancing, as 

2307
02:00:31,320 --> 02:00:35,720
the stars wheeled around her and
whispered secrets in her ear. 

2308
02:00:36,440 --> 02:00:40,480
To go north, you must journey S.
To reach the West, you must go 

2309
02:00:40,480 --> 02:00:43,960
E. 
To go forward, you must go back.

2310
02:00:44,320 --> 02:00:47,760
To touch the light, you must 
pass beneath the shadow. 

2311
02:00:48,440 --> 02:00:50,480
Quaithe. 
Danny called. 

2312
02:00:51,040 --> 02:00:56,440
Where are you, Quaithe? 
Then she saw her mask is made of

2313
02:00:56,440 --> 02:01:00,040
Starlight. 
Remember who you are, Daenerys. 

2314
02:01:00,160 --> 02:01:02,880
The stars whispered in a woman's
voice. 

2315
02:01:03,040 --> 02:01:05,400
The Dragons know. 
Do you? 

2316
02:01:06,440 --> 02:01:10,160
Now, the trick with this one is 
whether it's another appearance 

2317
02:01:10,160 --> 02:01:14,160
by Quaithe or part of her 
delirium because. 

2318
02:01:14,200 --> 02:01:15,880
I debated whether to give you 
the line. 

2319
02:01:16,080 --> 02:01:17,360
Oh, yeah, right. 
Yeah, 'cause if it's a. 

2320
02:01:17,360 --> 02:01:21,520
Yeah, that's a good point 
because she also talks to 

2321
02:01:21,520 --> 02:01:26,160
Viserys, the Grass and Sir Jora 
consecutively. 

2322
02:01:26,160 --> 02:01:27,880
I don't know if it's in that 
order, but it doesn't matter. 

2323
02:01:27,880 --> 02:01:32,840
So did she talk to a Quaithe 
apparition that Quaithe sent 

2324
02:01:32,840 --> 02:01:35,840
from the glass candles? 
And then these were deliriums, 

2325
02:01:35,840 --> 02:01:38,480
the other 3 of Viserys and the 
Grass and Sir Jora? 

2326
02:01:38,480 --> 02:01:39,920
Probably not. 
So this might not be an 

2327
02:01:39,920 --> 02:01:42,280
appearance by Quaithe, but it 
might be. 

2328
02:01:42,880 --> 02:01:46,000
So she becomes extremely weak 
after all this. 

2329
02:01:46,000 --> 02:01:49,280
Then Kyle, Jaco and 50 riders 
appear, which is the end of the 

2330
02:01:49,280 --> 02:01:52,120
book. 
Not what happens next or not 

2331
02:01:52,120 --> 02:01:54,960
sure what happens next, but it 
sure does seem like this is A to

2332
02:01:54,960 --> 02:01:57,800
go forward, to go back or you 
must go back type of moment 

2333
02:01:58,000 --> 02:02:00,640
where she's going to go back to 
dealing with the Dasraki back to

2334
02:02:00,640 --> 02:02:04,920
the base Dothrak and then 
rapidly recruiting them as she 

2335
02:02:04,920 --> 02:02:06,720
is the stallion who mounts the 
world. 

2336
02:02:06,720 --> 02:02:10,040
She has the ultimate mount after
all, And Drogon will probably be

2337
02:02:10,280 --> 02:02:13,320
very crucial to all this, just 
like he was crucial at the 

2338
02:02:13,320 --> 02:02:17,400
house, the Undying. 
And at this moment her other two

2339
02:02:17,400 --> 02:02:19,240
Dragons are locked up. 
Well, actually they're not. 

2340
02:02:19,240 --> 02:02:21,240
They get out, but she doesn't 
know that. 

2341
02:02:21,240 --> 02:02:22,400
She thinks they're still locked 
up. 

2342
02:02:22,840 --> 02:02:28,480
They are released in one of the 
Barristan chapters and she is 

2343
02:02:28,480 --> 02:02:30,920
told here at the end, the 
Dragons know what you are. 

2344
02:02:31,000 --> 02:02:32,320
Do you? 
The Dragons know they're 

2345
02:02:32,320 --> 02:02:34,560
Dragons. 
That's simple. 

2346
02:02:34,720 --> 02:02:37,160
They're beasts. 
Yes, they're supernatural, but 

2347
02:02:37,160 --> 02:02:38,520
they're not like super 
intelligent. 

2348
02:02:38,520 --> 02:02:39,840
They're not that all that 
conscious. 

2349
02:02:39,840 --> 02:02:42,880
They're not, you know, they're 
not like smarter than dogs or 

2350
02:02:42,880 --> 02:02:45,240
something like that. 
Or if they are, it's only by a 

2351
02:02:45,240 --> 02:02:48,080
little. 
So this isn't some self identity

2352
02:02:48,080 --> 02:02:50,080
thing. 
It's like, no, they're Dragons, 

2353
02:02:50,080 --> 02:02:52,200
they know they're Dragons, you 
need to do that too. 

2354
02:02:52,680 --> 02:02:55,800
Be a dragon is again, this is 
this very consistent message 

2355
02:02:56,320 --> 02:02:59,480
alongside the less 
understandable, but still 

2356
02:02:59,480 --> 02:03:01,160
consistent. 
To go forward, you must go back.

2357
02:03:01,160 --> 02:03:03,880
All that business. 
She keeps saying that and Danny 

2358
02:03:03,880 --> 02:03:06,320
keeps hearing it. 
Whether Quaithe is telling her 

2359
02:03:06,320 --> 02:03:08,680
in this moment or whether she's 
just remembering it herself, it 

2360
02:03:08,680 --> 02:03:11,160
clearly matters. 
And it keeps getting repeated by

2361
02:03:11,160 --> 02:03:13,960
George. 
So it we're not meant to forget 

2362
02:03:13,960 --> 02:03:15,400
it. 
We're meant to keep thinking 

2363
02:03:15,400 --> 02:03:18,400
about it, even if we don't get 
it, even if we can't answer it, 

2364
02:03:19,000 --> 02:03:20,640
we're supposed to be thinking 
about it. 

2365
02:03:20,640 --> 02:03:23,440
We're supposed to keep it in 
mind for whenever a resolution 

2366
02:03:23,440 --> 02:03:27,280
does come up, we will say, ah, 
that's what he meant. 

2367
02:03:27,360 --> 02:03:30,120
That's what the prophecy meant. 
That's what to go forward, all 

2368
02:03:30,120 --> 02:03:32,840
that meant to touch the light, 
you must pass beneath the shot. 

2369
02:03:33,320 --> 02:03:37,080
Eventually it might become just 
like an oh, that's what it was. 

2370
02:03:37,480 --> 02:03:40,760
Right now, though, we definitely
don't have that one line from 

2371
02:03:40,760 --> 02:03:42,200
her slew of visions at the 
house. 

2372
02:03:42,200 --> 02:03:44,680
The Undying is beneath the 
mother of mountains. 

2373
02:03:44,680 --> 02:03:47,520
A line of naked crones crept 
from a great lake and knelt 

2374
02:03:47,520 --> 02:03:49,760
shivering before her, their Gray
heads bowed. 

2375
02:03:50,360 --> 02:03:54,680
That to me is hardcore proof 
that Danny is going back there. 

2376
02:03:54,680 --> 02:03:57,000
This already looked like this 
whole scene makes it look like 

2377
02:03:57,000 --> 02:04:01,400
that, but this is shows that it 
was set up books before. 

2378
02:04:01,400 --> 02:04:05,720
Back in book two, it was already
set up for Danny to go back to 

2379
02:04:05,720 --> 02:04:10,840
the Dothraki, the woman behind 
the mask. 

2380
02:04:11,280 --> 02:04:13,480
So it isn't just her words that 
a cryptic gets her entire 

2381
02:04:13,480 --> 02:04:16,520
identity now again. 
Yeah, masks are really common in

2382
02:04:16,520 --> 02:04:19,760
her culture. 
Shadow Landers wear masks, and 

2383
02:04:19,760 --> 02:04:23,160
Melisandre is wearing a mask, 
too, a mask of light, so to 

2384
02:04:23,160 --> 02:04:26,040
speak, a glamour. 
In some ways, her identity 

2385
02:04:26,040 --> 02:04:27,720
doesn't much matter. 
Like we said, she is the 

2386
02:04:27,720 --> 02:04:30,480
embodiment of prophecy. 
She's guiding Danny. 

2387
02:04:30,560 --> 02:04:32,240
She's telling some important 
things. 

2388
02:04:32,240 --> 02:04:34,080
She's encouraging her. 
She's reminding her. 

2389
02:04:34,800 --> 02:04:42,680
But what really seem right? 
Would it be satisfying if such 

2390
02:04:42,680 --> 02:04:47,240
an important being, such an 
important mentor or guiding 

2391
02:04:47,240 --> 02:04:52,360
figure is never explained? 
We have to learn more about 

2392
02:04:52,360 --> 02:04:54,840
Quaithe, or at least where she 
came from or why. 

2393
02:04:55,480 --> 02:04:58,920
Because it would just be so 
unsatisfying if Danny had this 

2394
02:04:58,920 --> 02:05:02,760
important guiding figure that 
just is never explained. 

2395
02:05:03,120 --> 02:05:06,080
Or just big help Danny got from 
Quaithe. 

2396
02:05:06,080 --> 02:05:10,720
But why she's there, Why she 
helped, how she knew to help, 

2397
02:05:10,960 --> 02:05:13,720
none of that's explained. 
I really doubt that. 

2398
02:05:13,880 --> 02:05:19,080
So I I've been very confident 
that even though Quaithe her 

2399
02:05:19,080 --> 02:05:22,800
identity might not be that 
important, I don't think it can 

2400
02:05:22,800 --> 02:05:26,960
be left just that simply we have
to at least get a little more. 

2401
02:05:26,960 --> 02:05:29,600
If it's not telling us who she 
is, it has to be telling us who 

2402
02:05:29,600 --> 02:05:33,200
she's a part of or why. 
There has to be more of some 

2403
02:05:33,200 --> 02:05:35,960
kind. 
Just like Bran isn't going to 

2404
02:05:35,960 --> 02:05:39,440
learn all the secret to the 
Children of the Forest, but he 

2405
02:05:39,440 --> 02:05:43,720
is face to face with what they 
are without any mask. 

2406
02:05:44,200 --> 02:05:47,000
He's in The Cave with all the 
skulls and the trees growing out

2407
02:05:47,000 --> 02:05:49,640
of eyes and the growing into the
everything. 

2408
02:05:49,640 --> 02:05:53,000
All that creepiness, it's not 
hidden from him anymore. 

2409
02:05:53,720 --> 02:05:56,960
And maybe that sort of thing is 
coming for Danny, where she has 

2410
02:05:56,960 --> 02:05:59,480
to be confronted by these dark 
truths and what her purpose 

2411
02:05:59,480 --> 02:06:03,160
really is and how it's not about
the throne, it's about the 

2412
02:06:03,200 --> 02:06:05,680
Others. 
It's about these other things, 

2413
02:06:05,680 --> 02:06:08,560
right? 
So back to Melisandre being our 

2414
02:06:08,560 --> 02:06:11,120
best parallel, because that's a 
little she's a little better of 

2415
02:06:11,120 --> 02:06:14,120
a parallel than Bloodraven to 
Bran, because Melisandre. 

2416
02:06:14,120 --> 02:06:19,560
Stannis is already an echo of 
Danny, and X&X in this case is 

2417
02:06:19,560 --> 02:06:21,240
Quaithe. 
Melisandre thinks Stannis is a 

2418
02:06:21,240 --> 02:06:23,360
Zora high. 
Her methods are different than 

2419
02:06:23,360 --> 02:06:26,200
Quaithes, more hands on, more 
direct. 

2420
02:06:26,200 --> 02:06:28,920
Quaithe is far away, sending 
Danny messages. 

2421
02:06:29,520 --> 02:06:32,600
Melisandre's on the front lines,
but she's got the wrong savior. 

2422
02:06:33,160 --> 02:06:35,760
Whether Quaith is doing it right
or not, she's at least got the 

2423
02:06:35,760 --> 02:06:37,360
right person. 
She at least has the right 

2424
02:06:37,360 --> 02:06:40,320
individual. 
There's some theories out there 

2425
02:06:40,320 --> 02:06:42,960
about who Quaith is. 
If there is going to be a reveal

2426
02:06:42,960 --> 02:06:45,560
who that might be. 
One of them is that she is 

2427
02:06:45,560 --> 02:06:47,480
related to Melisandre because 
there's they have so much in 

2428
02:06:47,480 --> 02:06:50,000
common. 
Maybe they're connected some in 

2429
02:06:50,040 --> 02:06:51,680
some other way. 
They both come from the East, 

2430
02:06:51,680 --> 02:06:54,120
They're both associated with 
Asha, They're both associated 

2431
02:06:54,440 --> 02:06:57,880
with a shadow binding. 
It's kind of a stretch though. 

2432
02:06:57,880 --> 02:07:00,080
There's not a lot to go on there
that those are things they have 

2433
02:07:00,080 --> 02:07:03,400
in common, but it isn't a whole 
lot. 

2434
02:07:03,400 --> 02:07:05,800
And none of that's very specific
connective tissue. 

2435
02:07:05,800 --> 02:07:10,120
It's just kind of there. 
The most popular theory, I think

2436
02:07:10,360 --> 02:07:14,680
is that she's Shierra sea star, 
the mask of Starlight. 

2437
02:07:15,320 --> 02:07:19,040
In this last scene, this last 
vision or delirium that Danny's 

2438
02:07:19,040 --> 02:07:21,760
having is is mentioned and she's
oh, I see her mask is made of 

2439
02:07:21,760 --> 02:07:24,280
Starlight as if that's an 
answer. 

2440
02:07:24,400 --> 02:07:27,480
It's not but it but if we're to 
see it as an answer, that might 

2441
02:07:27,480 --> 02:07:29,880
be the answer. 
But I don't agree. 

2442
02:07:30,440 --> 02:07:32,160
I don't see how it could be 
Shierra Seastar. 

2443
02:07:32,160 --> 02:07:35,560
I really don't because 
Bloodraven indicates she's dead.

2444
02:07:36,000 --> 02:07:40,760
He he speaks to Damon and bitter
steel and Shierra in the past 

2445
02:07:40,760 --> 02:07:43,160
tense. 
He a woman I loved. 

2446
02:07:43,160 --> 02:07:46,040
She could be saying I don't love
her anymore, but I doubt that he

2447
02:07:46,040 --> 02:07:49,440
was so besotted. 
And either way, it sounds like, 

2448
02:07:49,440 --> 02:07:51,880
and that's not the only reason 
it sounds like he's referring to

2449
02:07:51,880 --> 02:07:55,240
her as as past tense. 
Also, it just there isn't much 

2450
02:07:55,240 --> 02:07:59,120
to go on either. 
Like the eyes don't wouldn't we 

2451
02:07:59,120 --> 02:08:02,920
notice wet and shiny? 
That one's green and one's blue?

2452
02:08:02,920 --> 02:08:05,960
Yeah, I don't think so. 
Shierra's eyes are extremely 

2453
02:08:05,960 --> 02:08:08,680
distinct, and that's the only 
feature we get to this person, 

2454
02:08:08,680 --> 02:08:11,320
and they don't match. 
Yeah, this doesn't work for me. 

2455
02:08:12,000 --> 02:08:15,720
Another theory is Alyssa Farman 
with her sun chaser. 

2456
02:08:15,720 --> 02:08:18,560
There is certainly evidence she 
made it as far as that shy, 

2457
02:08:19,120 --> 02:08:22,560
which maybe makes her a 
candidate, but that's kind of 

2458
02:08:22,560 --> 02:08:24,440
weak too, at least at least on 
the surface. 

2459
02:08:24,720 --> 02:08:28,640
But Alt Shift X, our good friend
did a video on it, so check that

2460
02:08:28,640 --> 02:08:30,680
out if you're interested in 
going deeper into that rabbit 

2461
02:08:30,680 --> 02:08:34,040
hole. 
For some of the same reasons, 

2462
02:08:34,040 --> 02:08:36,400
some of the same logic that I 
think we have to learn more 

2463
02:08:36,400 --> 02:08:38,600
about Quaithe. 
We can't be done with her. 

2464
02:08:39,160 --> 02:08:41,960
She's got to appear to Danny 
again, maybe multiple times. 

2465
02:08:42,080 --> 02:08:44,120
I don't think that's the end 
yet. 

2466
02:08:44,120 --> 02:08:46,840
She hasn't done the things she 
wants Danny to do. 

2467
02:08:47,040 --> 02:08:48,280
She's got to keep encouraging 
that. 

2468
02:08:48,280 --> 02:08:50,640
She got to keep pushing her 
towards that, whatever it is. 

2469
02:08:51,440 --> 02:08:54,120
I don't think we'll necessarily 
see her in physical form again, 

2470
02:08:54,120 --> 02:08:55,520
though. 
I think we might just only in 

2471
02:08:55,520 --> 02:08:57,920
these visions, only through 
these glass candles, and maybe 

2472
02:08:57,920 --> 02:09:00,160
some of that will be explained. 
Danny may learn. 

2473
02:09:00,160 --> 02:09:02,880
It's like, oh, glass candle, I 
get it now. 

2474
02:09:03,560 --> 02:09:07,760
You know, Speaking of the glass 
candles, a little more on that. 

2475
02:09:08,680 --> 02:09:11,720
If Peyton knows how to use the 
glass candle, how creepy is 

2476
02:09:11,720 --> 02:09:13,360
that? 
He can just tell the faceless 

2477
02:09:13,360 --> 02:09:15,960
men back home with all these 
things he learned. 

2478
02:09:16,480 --> 02:09:19,240
So that's a big part of this is 
Quaithe and her association with

2479
02:09:19,240 --> 02:09:21,840
glass candles. 
Those things are related plot 

2480
02:09:21,840 --> 02:09:25,760
wise, the reveals on any of them
may be connected to each other 

2481
02:09:26,480 --> 02:09:29,240
as Quaithe pushes Danny to be 
more like a dragon. 

2482
02:09:29,720 --> 02:09:32,320
That makes her more destructive,
more of an an instrument of 

2483
02:09:32,320 --> 02:09:38,320
destruction, more dangerous, 
less attractive to Westerosi who

2484
02:09:38,320 --> 02:09:41,720
are living now Because if she's 
an agent of change it'd destroy 

2485
02:09:41,720 --> 02:09:44,400
everything so it can be reborn 
in a new world. 

2486
02:09:44,400 --> 02:09:46,680
Well the current people living 
may not like that idea. 

2487
02:09:47,320 --> 02:09:49,040
And how will Danny actually 
interpret that? 

2488
02:09:49,040 --> 02:09:50,200
She keeps telling her to be a 
dragon. 

2489
02:09:50,200 --> 02:09:53,440
What does that mean to Danny? 
Probably means devastate, 

2490
02:09:53,440 --> 02:09:58,480
destroy and conquer. 
Use your use the means at your 

2491
02:09:58,480 --> 02:10:02,360
disposal, which is blasts of 
fire and tooth and claw. 

2492
02:10:02,680 --> 02:10:06,040
That's what you have at your 
disposal, be that it's in your 

2493
02:10:06,040 --> 02:10:10,080
blood, literally. 
But if that's what Quaithe 

2494
02:10:10,080 --> 02:10:13,320
means, it's kind of similar to 
the way Olenna Tyrell said it on

2495
02:10:13,320 --> 02:10:16,200
the TV show. 
Maybe similar vibes here. 

2496
02:10:17,680 --> 02:10:19,440
It still comes down to how Danny
interprets that. 

2497
02:10:19,440 --> 02:10:21,600
What does she mean? 
What does she think that means? 

2498
02:10:22,360 --> 02:10:23,960
Does it mean burn King's 
Landing? 

2499
02:10:23,960 --> 02:10:28,800
Does it mean dominate your your,
the other Lords take. 

2500
02:10:28,800 --> 02:10:31,200
Don't take no from an answer. 
Make them all fall in line and 

2501
02:10:31,200 --> 02:10:34,400
burn the ones that don't until 
they until they're all you know,

2502
02:10:35,040 --> 02:10:37,680
beholden to you, till they're 
all cede to your authority. 

2503
02:10:38,240 --> 02:10:41,120
Maybe it's not so 
straightforward. 

2504
02:10:42,120 --> 02:10:46,360
Maybe Quaith will become less 
cryptic as Danny's eyes are more

2505
02:10:46,360 --> 02:10:49,840
open to what's really happening.
Again, for the 50th time, Danny 

2506
02:10:49,840 --> 02:10:50,840
doesn't know about the long 
night. 

2507
02:10:50,840 --> 02:10:53,200
Once she learns about that, when
she learns about the others and 

2508
02:10:54,000 --> 02:10:58,400
gets over the initial woe of 
that, then you can start telling

2509
02:10:58,400 --> 02:10:59,160
her more. 
Start. 

2510
02:10:59,160 --> 02:11:02,760
Once she accepts that, you can 
give her more details and tell 

2511
02:11:02,760 --> 02:11:05,480
her more about what's needed. 
Say, oh, look, yeah, they're 

2512
02:11:05,480 --> 02:11:08,120
beings of ice. 
You got the fire. 

2513
02:11:09,000 --> 02:11:11,360
You have the best solution to 
this. 

2514
02:11:11,760 --> 02:11:15,240
You dreamt of it too, and maybe 
Quaithe sent her that dream, as 

2515
02:11:15,240 --> 02:11:19,040
we talked about at the time. 
So as she learns these things, 

2516
02:11:19,040 --> 02:11:22,720
as she becomes more aware of 
them, it might be appropriate to

2517
02:11:22,720 --> 02:11:26,000
give her more information. 
Quaithe Melisandre might get in 

2518
02:11:26,000 --> 02:11:30,600
the mix by that point. 
But again, the dark side of all 

2519
02:11:30,600 --> 02:11:35,280
this is Quaithe pushing Danny 
towards a goal that will see her

2520
02:11:35,280 --> 02:11:38,640
own life end. 
Quaithe, not Quaithe Danny's 

2521
02:11:38,760 --> 02:11:40,200
life, right? 
I don't think Quaithe is at risk

2522
02:11:40,200 --> 02:11:43,120
here. 
That's where I land on all this.

2523
02:11:43,680 --> 02:11:47,360
I think that's like, if we're 
making a conclusion here, I 

2524
02:11:47,360 --> 02:11:50,160
think that that's likely that. 
Yeah, that's part of the reason 

2525
02:11:50,160 --> 02:11:54,520
quite this cryptic is because 
this isn't going to be this new 

2526
02:11:54,520 --> 02:11:57,080
world that's going to that 
Danny's paving the way for. 

2527
02:11:57,080 --> 02:11:58,520
Danny herself won't be a part of
it. 

2528
02:11:59,160 --> 02:12:01,240
She'll have died in the process 
of making it. 

2529
02:12:01,240 --> 02:12:06,080
And that's a dark truth that if 
Danny learns that too soon, it 

2530
02:12:06,080 --> 02:12:08,480
might steer her away from the 
goal and at all. 

2531
02:12:08,480 --> 02:12:10,480
She's like, I'm not doing that. 
It's going to lead to my death, 

2532
02:12:11,200 --> 02:12:13,400
you know, especially if she 
doesn't grasp how important her 

2533
02:12:13,400 --> 02:12:15,400
death is. 
Like if if Danny can sincerely 

2534
02:12:15,400 --> 02:12:18,680
take to heart that her death 
would save the world, all right,

2535
02:12:18,680 --> 02:12:20,040
then that might get her to do 
it. 

2536
02:12:20,040 --> 02:12:24,040
But if the first thing she 
learns is death, I'm going to 

2537
02:12:24,040 --> 02:12:25,720
die. 
And then she learns that her 

2538
02:12:25,720 --> 02:12:27,560
death will have a good purpose. 
Well, she may have already set 

2539
02:12:27,560 --> 02:12:30,360
herself against that notion that
I'm not going to go down that 

2540
02:12:30,360 --> 02:12:34,400
path. 
So she has to be given the 

2541
02:12:34,400 --> 02:12:37,080
information in the right order 
or it could throw her off. 

2542
02:12:37,680 --> 02:12:40,120
So that is another perhaps 
reason that Clayton is so 

2543
02:12:40,320 --> 02:12:43,080
cryptic. 
And again, but I do again, think

2544
02:12:43,080 --> 02:12:45,120
we will learn more about her. 
And I think we have to learn 

2545
02:12:45,120 --> 02:12:47,720
more about her for the story to 
fit, for it to be satisfying in 

2546
02:12:47,720 --> 02:12:49,560
that regard. 
We have to know something about 

2547
02:12:49,560 --> 02:12:52,080
this guiding light that's 
telling Danny so many important 

2548
02:12:52,080 --> 02:12:55,240
things. 
It can't just be left untold, 

2549
02:12:55,240 --> 02:12:57,680
unexplained. 
But that's my take. 

2550
02:12:57,960 --> 02:13:01,080
How about you? 
Poll results. 

2551
02:13:01,200 --> 02:13:06,360
If Quaithe's mask was removed, 
Danny wouldn't know her, but we 

2552
02:13:06,360 --> 02:13:09,480
would. 60% of you think that's 
the case, that we would 

2553
02:13:09,480 --> 02:13:13,000
recognize Kuwait without her 
mask on, but Danny wouldn't. 31%

2554
02:13:13,000 --> 02:13:19,040
of you think Danny wouldn't know
her, nor would we, so none of us

2555
02:13:19,040 --> 02:13:24,600
would know her if she took her 
mask off. 31% and 7% was we 

2556
02:13:24,600 --> 02:13:26,800
would both know her. 
Danny and us readers, we would 

2557
02:13:26,800 --> 02:13:29,560
all recognize her, but only 7% 
of you think that. 

2558
02:13:29,560 --> 02:13:32,720
So the most popular by far is 
Danny wouldn't know her, but we 

2559
02:13:32,720 --> 02:13:34,360
would. 
And that is fitting with a lot 

2560
02:13:34,360 --> 02:13:36,160
of the existing theories. 
Like, yeah, we would know Shira 

2561
02:13:36,160 --> 02:13:39,840
Sea Star, We would know Alyssa 
Farman, but Danny wouldn't. 

2562
02:13:39,960 --> 02:13:42,240
Trivia question. 
It was The Citadel has four 

2563
02:13:42,240 --> 02:13:43,760
glass candles. 
What colors are they? 

2564
02:13:44,280 --> 02:13:49,280
Black, black, black and green. 
John Merkel got it. 

2565
02:13:49,280 --> 02:13:50,160
Good job. 
John Merkel. 

2566
02:13:50,160 --> 02:13:52,880
Anyone else listening? 
If you got that, good job. 

2567
02:13:52,880 --> 02:13:56,600
Pat on the back for you. 
And that's apparently also 

2568
02:13:57,040 --> 02:13:59,640
George's colors for Obsidian. 
George's Obsidian is not the 

2569
02:13:59,640 --> 02:14:01,960
same as real world Obsidian. 
Most of it's black, but 

2570
02:14:01,960 --> 02:14:04,280
occasionally it's green. 
Or I think purple maybe can be a

2571
02:14:04,280 --> 02:14:05,800
color too. 
Right? 

2572
02:14:05,800 --> 02:14:07,960
OK, so but but the Citadel 
doesn't have one of those cool 

2573
02:14:07,960 --> 02:14:10,200
purple ones, only the Targaryen.
Only the Valyrians got those. 

2574
02:14:10,800 --> 02:14:12,720
Maybe there's one in carts? 
Has a purple one. 

2575
02:14:12,720 --> 02:14:16,280
Maybe, yeah, if if Danny sees 
like purple light glowing on her

2576
02:14:16,280 --> 02:14:18,120
face and he's like, hey, purple 
light, where's that coming from?

2577
02:14:19,440 --> 02:14:22,240
So some episodes that are 
relevant to this one you might 

2578
02:14:22,240 --> 02:14:24,760
want to check out to stay 
immersed of the Great Empire. 

2579
02:14:24,760 --> 02:14:27,400
The dawn episode of the Ash Eye 
by the shadow episode, the 

2580
02:14:27,400 --> 02:14:30,800
shadow by Ash eye episode, which
is by far the most recent of the

2581
02:14:30,800 --> 02:14:33,240
three. 
The Melisandre episode, also 

2582
02:14:33,240 --> 02:14:35,840
fairly recent. 
Our episode on the red comet 

2583
02:14:36,000 --> 02:14:38,280
quite a while ago, but still 
very relevant. 

2584
02:14:38,520 --> 02:14:41,240
And our episode on Sept and 
Barth, also quite a while ago, 

2585
02:14:41,240 --> 02:14:44,960
but still very relevant. 
Thanks again to Nina for her 

2586
02:14:44,960 --> 02:14:48,280
great notes on this episode and 
so many of our other episodes, 

2587
02:14:48,280 --> 02:14:52,320
and nearly all of them in the 
many years since we've been 

2588
02:14:52,320 --> 02:14:55,240
doing this. 
Thanks to Joey Townsend for the 

2589
02:14:55,240 --> 02:14:58,320
theme music, and thanks to 
Michael Klarfeld for the video 

2590
02:14:58,320 --> 02:15:00,600
intro and the maps you see 
behind me. 

2591
02:15:01,240 --> 02:15:05,720
You can get his posters, his 
maps at his website which you 

2592
02:15:05,720 --> 02:15:06,880
can find the link in the 
description. 

2593
02:15:07,520 --> 02:15:10,280
We're going to go take one of 
his maps to Seattle to get 

2594
02:15:10,280 --> 02:15:12,240
signed one of the big cloth 
maps. 

2595
02:15:12,240 --> 02:15:14,960
We're going to bring our reach 
map that has George on it as 

2596
02:15:14,960 --> 02:15:16,880
Garth Greenhand. 
It's fitting to have George's 

2597
02:15:16,880 --> 02:15:19,920
Garth Greenhand, the progenitor 
of everything in Westeros, all 

2598
02:15:19,920 --> 02:15:22,000
the people he did, he created 
them all. 

2599
02:15:22,000 --> 02:15:24,160
It's it's it's fitting. 
So yeah, we're going to Seattle 

2600
02:15:24,160 --> 02:15:27,560
World Con, and we'll hopefully 
have some stories to tell after 

2601
02:15:27,560 --> 02:15:29,400
that. 
So stay tuned. 

2602
02:15:29,800 --> 02:15:32,960
And either way, we'll have more 
content, whether that or other 

2603
02:15:32,960 --> 02:15:35,600
stuff, certainly to come. 
You know what to do in the 

2604
02:15:35,600 --> 02:15:38,640
meantime, Riridis.