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We loved every episode, the 
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music and filming were all 
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each one in detail, week to 
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Let's now take a look back at 
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the entire thing in context, 
looking at lots of little things

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that add up to big things and 
lots of big things that add up 

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to bigger things. 
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the heartwarming to the optimism
for the future of this corner of

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the franchise and fandom. 
Let us gush geekily as we rehash

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the most memorable moments. 
All that and more on this 

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episode of History of Westeros 
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Hello and welcome back everybody
to our wrap up episode for Night

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of the Seven Kingdoms Season 1. 
We are likely to return to our 

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usual Sunday slot of three, but 
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throw a poll up on Patreon to 
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Monday slot, especially since 
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House of the Dragon season and 
having two shows in one year. 

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Anyway, this is a good time to 
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our Patreon. 
That way you can have some 

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influence on this decision as 
well as the upcoming Topics Moot

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2026 where we vote tournament 
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make this year. 
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Hugo Awards by March 28th if you
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We are suggesting Ragnarok 
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We got to specify that it's by 
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for best related work. 
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for. 
Hey Sean, how's it going? 

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I hope you're excited to talk 
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yourself a wrap up beverage of 
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Excited to talk about this 
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I don't know what to talk about.
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voltage for this electrifying 
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Green boy, if you have questions
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noticed that we didn't catch or 
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out, hit us up here live A Shaya
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best as possible and while doing
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always hit us up after the fact.
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stream or if you just thought of
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westworldhistory@gmail.com or 
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Let's have a poll. 
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one of those guesswork slash 
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YouTube polls are only four 
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here's a choice. 
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your own answer if you think 
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this, but here's what we put You
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Raymond, Arian, Makar, Tanzel. 
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Makar Sam Spruill already came 
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predict that, but it's possible.
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You're right. 
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Her can I tell you what my pick 
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we see a montage of Duncan, Egg 
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like they're constantly like 2 
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like never interacting with Dunk
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Make our, you know where he is. 
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Season 3 though, so you're right
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answers. 
What you think what what your 

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percentages came out at the end 
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Related our trivia question, 
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answer for who is the only 
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Super chat or comment from the 
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I've had the opening themed 
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Seven Kingdom streams, playing 
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the House of the House of the 
Dragon 7 Kingdoms 9 at 7 Kingdom

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soundtrack, which is out now 
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later in the episode. 
Corn Emperor sends a super chat,

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says support for the best of 
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Thanks for the support. 
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about we've got as we normally 
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Well, really just one this this 
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full runtime, you know, reps 
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It could easily have been more 
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the seconds anyway. 
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about when I make lists, my top 
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favorite or what is most 
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and one reason for a list like 
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recommend to people. 
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say, Better Call Saul, when I 
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Hey, watch 70 hours of material.
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accountable. 
You could easily watch this in a

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Game of Thrones or House of the 
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is it more time, it's way more 
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fit the world. 
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easier starting point for a lot 
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each other here on tops of our 
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trying harder to say the word 
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accurate. 
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favorites in general. 
I don't like doing top ten 

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you spend so much time on it is 
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will love or capture the moment 
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some subtle nuanced thing that 
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people caught notice of this, 
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deserves to be boosted something
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So let's start with just our, we

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kind of danced around it most of
the season. 

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There's six of these questions 
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positive one -1 criticism, 
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criticism. 
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Dunk was a part of, but we never
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on like a favorite dunk moment. 
This is the perfect time to do 

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it cuz we got the whole season 
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So Sean, start us off. 
What was your favorite dunk 

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seen, whether it had egg or not?
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I think that the the the two 
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here and maybe more because 
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I, I've got to say that moment 
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a sunset like that just really 
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also. 
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want to point out that I really 
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the banter between dunk and egg 
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when they're kind of mocking 
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only fancy berries. 
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captured them well and and and 
the general tone of the show and

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everything. 
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in on Dunk, it's it's almost the
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Who among you you know, are 
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that? 
Moment nice. 

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Great and iconic and ripped 
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books, the screen and 
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All right. 
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Shay, What about you? 
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impressions of one another, 
Dunk's impression of Egg and 

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Egg's impression of Dunk. 
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an outtake extended, I would 
like them to just give us the 

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the whole take of everything 
they tried, because that was 

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improv on the day we. 
Yes. 

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But they gave us a little 
extended part of it, and I put 

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that on the History of Westeros 
Facebook page. 

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It's also just in some of the 
other extended materials, but 

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you can find it clipped out on 
our Facebook. 

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So I really liked that and the 
fact that that was improv really

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they put it over for me. 
But my favorite Dunk specific 

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moment is when he softens and he
teaches Eggs to sew because you 

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can see he's kind of like 
scowling when Egg gets back. 

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He's grumpy. 
He was worried he thought maybe 

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he did run off, like he's in a 
bad mood about it and he's kind 

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of being sour to him. 
And then there's like this, this

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really visible moment where Dunk
like looks at him and his 

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expression just softens. 
And then he's like, no, come 

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over, let's teach you how to 
sew. 

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And then they have like that 
really sweet moment where they 

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sew and they're brushing, 
they're brushing Thunder and 

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chestnut, you know, they're 
brushing the horses. 

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And I just it's a really small 
moment. 

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But I do think Peter Claffy's 
acting and the writing beat was,

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was really strong to I think to 
make the audience love Dunk as 

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well. 
You know, like it was one of 

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those moments that you respect 
and love. 

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You know, can I add a little 
thing to that too? 

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Something I I noticed on a 
rewatch in that moment, if you 

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remember, Dunk says, you know, 
whatever was egg one, He's like,

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go brush the horses. 
And then he's like, I kind of 

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sighs like you said. 
And he's like, actually come 

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here, I'll teach you how to sew 
a patch. 

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We'll brush the horse together 
later. 

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Like it's not this dirty work 
punishment I'm giving you. 

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It could be something we work on
as a team. 

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It's something it's you 
shouldn't be. 

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It shouldn't be a punishment to 
do that. 

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It should be something you 
appreciate and your help. 

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Yeah, on a lot of. 
Levels, I agree. 

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Yeah, it was an admirable 
reaction. 

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Like his he's he corrected 
himself. 

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He's like, I this is wrong. 
Like, I don't want to treat this

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kid this way. 
This is not a good lesson. 

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This is not the way I want to do
it. 

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Yeah. 
Like, you wish more like parents

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would do that, you know, or just
authority figures in general 

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would like, stop and think, 
like, what am I doing? 

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What what message am I really 
sending here? 

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Am I am I being too harsh? 
Am I? 

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This should be a teachable 
moment, right? 

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Not a punishable moment. 
Maybe that's, or at least that 

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should be second. 
If I was in a better mood, would

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I do the same thing right now? 
Very good point. 

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Like, yeah, what is my how is my
mood affecting my, my impression

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of all this and my reaction to 
it? 

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For me, it's it's it's episode 5
stuff mostly. 

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I think basically the range he 
goes through there from the 

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really heartwarming, almost 
heartbreaking added footnote or 

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not footnote, but follow up to 
the I'll, you know, send dogs 

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after you. 
I'll I'll punch you down with 

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dog because that's in the book, 
the original for but not the 

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second time when he does it 
again before the trial that's 

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added. 
That was really good using the 

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material they already have in a 
really meaningful way. 

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And then he goes from that to 
the just it's so impressive, the

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thinking about it. 
Like you, like you said, Sean, 

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there's different things you 
think of when you're trying to 

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give you someone credit for 
something. 

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Just imagining how difficult 
that scene to film was. 

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The, the the fight. 
I'm like, God, with the wasp and

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the blood and the mud and the 
hitting each other in the face 

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by accident and all the other 
stuff and just doing it over and

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over. 
So that's just, I got to give 

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credit for that. 
And then at the end, his 

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reaction to Baylor's death was 
just, man, just showing the 

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range. 
Yeah. 

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Like, wow. 
And if I wasn't going to name 

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that, I would just say the 
actual first scene of the whole 

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show, which was just immediately
told you, oh, they're doing it 

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right. 
I mean, this is only the first 

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scene, but this is damn good for
a first scene. 

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So just that first moment where 
I was. 

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Like. 
All right, what a great start 

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that was like almost relaxed a 
little bit, you know? 

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I don't want to ramble too much,
but you know, this is a tough 

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category to choose from. 
And I want to throw out that the

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two of my contenders, or, you 
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have named were the opening 
scene too. 

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And also the dunk dragon Arian 
through the mud. 

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That was another just like very,
I mean, I, I, you should give as

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much credit to, to Martin for 
writing that or whatever, but 

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they, they put it on screen 
perfectly. 

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Well said. 
All right. 

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Next one, we're following up 
with a sort of maybe predictable

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second question. 
Favorite egg or highlight? 

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Sorry, I broke my own rule 
there. 

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Highlight egg moment slash scene
slash take Sean. 

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Do it with with just egg. 
And again, there's there's 

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several contenders. 
I I I'm probably stealing one by

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even mentioning when he goes to 
Aaron with the knife. 

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That was really good and not 
even in the book. 

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I don't know in a way that makes
me a little extra impressed with

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it, but I if I have to pick one,
I think it's eggs. 

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Airbender training when he's 
off, when he goes off on his own

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with a horse, he's swooshing 
around with the staff and the, 

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the interaction with Robert 
Riceling, Robin Riceling. 

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I loved all that and and that 
man, I wish at some point 

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somewhere in the all the 
tournament fair, they could have

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had a, a cabbage dealer in there
get his cart knocked over. 

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If you guys know Airbender, you 
would get that. 

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Reference. 
I have to know it to know that 

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reference because I've seen many
cosplays at Dragon Con and have 

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friends who cosplayed him 
actually. 

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So I just like the idea of 
cabbage things getting spilled 

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over. 
That's just funny. 

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Just the image. 
I have no idea what you're 

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talking about. 
But yes, cabbages everywhere. 

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Asia, please tell us your 
highlight egg moment. 

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Most of mine are more comedic. 
I do really like the hair 

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regrowth scene. 
I think we're all highlighting 

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that because it was no dialogue.
Such a heavy scene for such a 

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young actor and just an amazing 
scene all around, right? 

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I really like the more comedic 
moments with him, like when he's

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asking for Dunks advice 
regarding his size when he's, 

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you know, philosophizing about 
the Alice with Three Fingers 

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song, which I think both of 
those spoke a lot to kind of 

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Egg's personality. 
You get to know him better and 

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they've made me laugh a lot, 
made me really think a lot about

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Eggs future personality. 
I think people heard me a lot 

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talk about Eggs Dog and spirit 
and in the podcast. 

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And I do think that that 
resonates with Egg in a way. 

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But also the Hello Operator 
song, you know, the Miss Susie, 

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you know, Blackfyre song that he
does. 

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I just was very tickled by that 
and it has to go on my list. 

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Yeah. 
It's you're already seeing folks

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that we we really can't do this.
The way I've laid it out, we 

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can't name one. 
It's impossible. 

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We each are naming each other 
like I'm going to also name the 

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Harry regrowth one because God, 
that was so good. 

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And it's kind of the only one 
that's like that in terms of 

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like it's eggs darkest scene by 
far. 

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So many of the others, and 
including the ones we're 

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highlighting here, are, if not 
humorous, they're light hearted.

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Right? 
Like the egg training stuff is 

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pretty light hearted. 
It's pretty got some depth to it

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for sure. 
Like the way he pushes back 

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against what his father taught 
him about horses, you know, I 

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thought that was pretty cool. 
And the fact that he's doing it 

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at all, that he's, you know, 
getting up early to to work, you

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know, and train, that's pretty 
cool. 

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But yeah, also the 9 Kingdoms 
epilogue bit was just too funny.

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I love that. 
I mean, that's really a Dunkin 

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Egg moment, but it's really Egg 
that makes that moment funny. 

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Dunk's reaction kind of sells 
it, but he's just stuttering 

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like what? 
No, are you mad? 

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And that's pretty much the only 
thing he says. 

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And Egg has steals that moment 
too by saying is that relevant? 

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You know, so which is a great 
response. 

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But as far as like the most like
sincere moment, I would say it's

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when Dunk says to him, this is 
also kind of cheating because 

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it's really Dunk is a big part 
of this moment. 

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But it's Egg's reaction that 
gets me. 

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And Dunk says you really are a 
good worker when you put your 

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mind to it. 
And he the way he looks bad Dunk

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like he's just like, it's that 
best thing he could have said, 

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you know, And he's just like, 
well, does that mean you'll keep

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me after this? 
You know, I can Squire for you 

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after the tournament. 
And the way he looks with that, 

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it's just like the thing he 
wants most in the world and 

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it's, it's so touching. 
Yeah, you mentioned here, but I 

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don't think you said it there, 
but you mentioned get up Sarah 

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potentially shout out to that 
moment, him saying get up Sarah 

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and and and wait, because it was
really impressive and because 

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I've seen a lot of hilarious 
memes and tik toks of it. 

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A lot of people have made him 
saying get up Sarah their alarm 

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clock. 
I've seen a lot of videos of it.

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It's at a great alarm clock. 
I've probably seen 5 to 10 of 

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these videos of someone like 
waking up to get up there. 

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What I need, what we need is 
like, yellow lights or like 

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hazard lights that are out in 
the room. 

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Wait, you know, like you're 
trying. 

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Yeah. 
Something. 

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We got to find a way to put that
into the real world, too. 

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I will say, by the way, I had 
forgotten about that moment 

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when, when egg, when dunks like,
oh, you know, egg's like, I'm 

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too small and dunks. 
Some people say I'm too dumb and

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then egg's like. 
And and yeah, I put that one on 

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the list. 
So folks, I put up a couple of 

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polls on Patriot and Facebook 
for y'all to vote in moments 

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like this. 
And that was one of the ones I 

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included for like for favorite 
non. 

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I think it was favorite non book
moments was one of the polls 

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like things that didn't happen 
in the books. 

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I think like favorite moments 
that they invented for the show 

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only. 
All right, let's move on to the 

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next one here real quick. 
Also, I got a shout out three 

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fingered Alice. 
I think at the time I said that 

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was my favorite scene of that 
episode. 

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Yeah, that's just, I love that 
so much. 

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All right, so non Dunkin egg 
moment scene. 

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We're taking the 2 main 
characters out. 

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Sean, what you got? 
You know, there's hardly any 

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scenes that don't have Dunk or 
Egg. 

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I, I, I think I mean depending 
how you define a scene and how 

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you define dunk, maybe like the 
flashbacks when he was a boy. 

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I don't, you know. 
Just to be clear, they're 

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allowed to be in the scene. 
It's just like someone else's 

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moment there. 
You know, it isn't them. 

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They're, they can be there to 
respond or react or or yeah, it 

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could be. 
A Raymond Fosseway moment, but 

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it's him talking to Dunk. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

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I, I, I'll say I had a hard time
thinking about this one because 

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it wasn't quite sure what to 
count, how to count it. 

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Well, I, I landed on on Arlen 
when Dunk was following Arlen 

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and he's kind of drunk and 
singing Dothraki and stabbed 

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himself with his whole, his own 
knife. 

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I think that if I I think if I 
had to pick one, I think that's 

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it. 
Nice. 

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That's a good one. 
Yeah, I appreciate you. 

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You singling that one out? 
What about you, Shaya? 

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I'm going to say a scene from 
episode 1, which was Dunk going 

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to the party, but it's not for 
the dunk of it all. 

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It's for the Lionel Baratheon of
it all. 

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And for kind of it was, I think 
one of the first moments in the 

447
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,720
show where I saw them do 
something different and nail it,

448
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,400
you know, and where I saw them 
expand on Lionel Baratheon's 

449
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,880
character in a way that I found 
satisfying, intriguing, resonant

450
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:51,480
with what we could know about 
the character. 

451
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,560
You know, he's saying kind of 
the right things, I guess, with 

452
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:57,160
what I would imagine he'd say. 
And so and like the dancing in 

453
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,640
the scene, the film work, the 
way that they filmed it to 

454
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,000
really seem like this bacchanal 
type of party. 

455
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,160
Like just, there's so much about
it, from the acting to the 

456
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:10,360
choreography to just again, that
I, I was so pleased to get 

457
00:22:10,360 --> 00:22:14,480
something new and fresh that was
not in the books that I felt 

458
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,400
like could have been. 
Yeah, and that was a big like, 

459
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,400
like, like the way I referenced 
the first scene and I was like, 

460
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:21,640
oh, OK, they're doing this 
right. 

461
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,600
That's a great sign. 
This was the first like added 

462
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,240
scene. 
It was a big one. 

463
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,400
And they got that right too. 
Or did a really good job. 

464
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,280
So that was also kind of like 
comforting, like, OK, well, 

465
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:31,520
they're going to be adding other
scenes. 

466
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,200
Well, at least this first one 
was really good too. 

467
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,560
So yeah, I, I really like they 
highlighted that one because it 

468
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,160
it showed the expansion of a 
character and the expansion of a

469
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:43,160
plot in ways that fit didn't 
override anything, didn't try to

470
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:44,560
go too far in some new 
direction. 

471
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:45,640
They weren't trying to be too 
creative. 

472
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:46,960
They worked really well with 
what they had. 

473
00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:50,840
And for myself, I'll choose a a 
kind of an easy slam dunk 

474
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,680
moment. 
Baylor joining dunk just at the 

475
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,760
end of episode 4. 
This is partly for a meta 

476
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,480
reason. 
We know how important that 

477
00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:01,120
moment is in the book. 
We we figured out which is not 

478
00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:03,360
a, it wasn't very difficult to 
figure out that it would be the 

479
00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:05,480
end of an episode. 
That seems very straightforward.

480
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,920
So it was more about like, well,
are they going to nail this 

481
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,200
moment and how will the fans 
react to it? 

482
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:11,600
Because there's that's two 
different things. 

483
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,760
They could nail this moment and 
it could still be like, oh, that

484
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,880
was kind of cool. 
You know, we were, we would hope

485
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,560
for something more than Oh, that
was kind of cool. 

486
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,120
And it was, it was way more the 
fans loved it. 

487
00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:22,600
The fans blew up. 
It was maybe the first episode 

488
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:26,080
where people really, really 
started to fall for the show. 

489
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,400
Like people are into it. 
But I think episode 4 is when, 

490
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,960
if not episode 3 with the reveal
and all the heart warming 

491
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:32,840
moments. 
It was episode 4 when it got so 

492
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,680
serious and like, oh, so that 
that's a really big one for me. 

493
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,360
I'll, I'll go ahead and 
highlight that one now for 

494
00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:42,800
criticism then and before a 
couple of more positive ones. 

495
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,600
Let's do the criticism here. 
Biggest disappointment, Sean, 

496
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,240
what is your biggest 
disappointment or 

497
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,720
disappointments? 
If you feel like mentioning more

498
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,560
than one. 
Well, my biggest disappointment 

499
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,440
by far, obviously, is that we 
didn't get to see the actual 

500
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,360
moment when Dunk certainly was 
90. 

501
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,480
Sure we would get that on 
screen. 

502
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,480
George just forgot. 
George just forgot to put it in 

503
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:05,960
a book. 
So. 

504
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,560
But aside from that, I was, I 
was a little disappointed with 

505
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,320
me two other things. 
And one was, you know, one's 

506
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,480
just kind of my nitpickiness 
about action. 

507
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,920
And I'm a little extra 
disappointed because they did so

508
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,160
many other things so well, 
including all the actor stuff. 

509
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,120
So it bugged me. 
I mentioned it bugged me that 

510
00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:27,080
dunk is like on on a makeshift 
crutch. 

511
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,960
It's really just a stick and he 
uses his hand to kind of cushion

512
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,840
it. 
But that hand had just got a 

513
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,960
knife stuck through like they 
they did. 

514
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,160
I. 
Tell you, Sean. 

515
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,000
Yeah. 
I'm with you more today than I 

516
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:43,520
was last week because I I 
sprained my ankle on Friday and 

517
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,040
tried to go and I succeeded in 
going to a rave the next night. 

518
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,120
But it was a rave that was all 
like you had to take stairs to 

519
00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:53,760
get down and I had a knee screw.
It was very hard. 

520
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,880
And so like thinking about him 
getting down to that funeral. 

521
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,720
I'm I'm more with you than I 
ever was, but for for Tvi get I 

522
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,760
still get why they have to. 
Change that it is I still it's a

523
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,800
type of thing that that and I 
don't know if that bothers me 

524
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,200
more or less but they could have
done something slightly 

525
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,840
different to admit that they 
could have just had him not put 

526
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,000
his arm up there or had the 
funeral different spot. 

527
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,520
I'm not showing us it was up the
hill. 

528
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,040
Something I don't know. 
But the other thing that bugs me

529
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:23,080
because I think it might have 
more implications in how the 

530
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,880
plot goes is that the final, 
final scene when Maker is like, 

531
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,440
where is it now? 
Right now I can easily write 

532
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,920
that off because I think easily 
with one line of dialogue, they 

533
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,440
could just resolve that. 
We're like, well, it's a good 

534
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,440
thing you're the Kings guard 
caught up to us and gave you 

535
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,360
that thing that, you know, they 
could just easily one line 

536
00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:41,160
dialogue. 
I give them probably three 

537
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,480
seats. 
I bet we get 3 scenes of 

538
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,000
interaction or discussion or 
something. 

539
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,440
But I think they're just going 
to move past that quick and easy

540
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:48,720
and it won't really affect 
things. 

541
00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:51,400
But you know, it kind of stirs 
us up with that. 

542
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,920
Well, what now Hot Rod allocated
it creates this. 

543
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:59,160
I feel suspicion in the fandom 
of what that means and how it 

544
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,920
will come from and and even 
maybe more importantly, it ticks

545
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,000
away a little bit for make ours 
decision or growth or whatever, 

546
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,360
you know? 
Yeah, I I tend to agree with you

547
00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:08,840
on that. 
One, I would say that suspicion 

548
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,080
is not necessarily bad. 
I would say part of it is good 

549
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,360
to get people to be rising buzz.
But regardless, good point. 

550
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,280
Even even like the big penis was
people didn't like it, but it 

551
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,000
sort of get a lot of people 
talking about it. 

552
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:21,800
Yeah, right. 
Or the. 

553
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,080
Pooping seed, you know it's a 
disappointment. 

554
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,120
Because I don't want to give it 
more air time to be. 

555
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,960
Disappointed by that, Sean. 
My parents actually. 

556
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,440
It makes it hard for me to 
recommend it to my parents. 

557
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,680
I you know what I mean? 
You just take that out and this 

558
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,280
is a slam dunk for my parents to
watch. 

559
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:38,800
Would they be? 
Fine with the horse being 

560
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,480
stabbed in the neck. 
Yeah, they don't care about 

561
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,720
that. 
Happy about it, but they're not.

562
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,040
A difference between our 
parents. 

563
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:48,640
My mom kept bringing up Arlen. 
She loved it. 

564
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,280
She thought it was the funniest 
thing. 

565
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,560
She brought it up many times. 
That horse, she was very upset. 

566
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,520
She was like very violent. 
And then again when the the the 

567
00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:00,560
5th episode with the big fight 
she was not as into she wanted 

568
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:05,280
more penis I think. 
So real quick before yours of 

569
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,560
shed, just to add on to what you
said here, I watched a couple of

570
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,840
videos and there's a real 
there's a real disparity. 

571
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,000
Like I watched a couple of 
videos about like a doctor or an

572
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,520
ER nurse weighing in on the 
injuries and another where 

573
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,440
people were weighing in on the 
armor and the neither side 

574
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,120
understood the other like 
doctor, doctors, obviously no 

575
00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:26,520
medicine way better than anybody
like me. 

576
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,120
You these guys would understand,
but they actually don't 

577
00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:31,080
understand armor. 
They don't understand medieval 

578
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,600
armor, so that's kind of off. 
And it was interesting to see 

579
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,240
that disparity. 
Like they understand one thing 

580
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,200
like as better as, as well as 
anyone in the world and the 

581
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,040
other like their understanding 
is might be even less than you 

582
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,880
and me, you know, 'cause they 
don't watch fantasy shows or 

583
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,280
think about armor. 
So anyway, that's not a way, I'm

584
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,240
not trying to rehash all that. 
It was just thought it was 

585
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:49,840
interesting. 
There's a variety of takes out 

586
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,080
there on all this. 
And as using Ashea's example, 

587
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,560
her perspective changed based on
having her own injury. 

588
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,200
And that's extremely valid. 
Experience is the one of the 

589
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,280
most valid things there is. 
Can I interject one thing here, 

590
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,840
since you brought up armor, I, I
just kind of threw out there one

591
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,280
time. 
I, I think when we were talking 

592
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,040
about how exhausted they'd be 
fighting just wearing the armor 

593
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,160
round, never mind the exertion 
and the wounds and all. 

594
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,440
And I was like, that armor 
weighs 100 lbs and I, I didn't 

595
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,240
really know. 
I just threw that out there. 

596
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,120
And I think you said 60 is more 
accurate. 

597
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,680
I said I was 60 for full plate, 
which none of which he's not 

598
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,400
wearing and neither is Aryan. 
Right. 

599
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,120
I was going to say there's a lot
of variation and one just off 

600
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:29,560
the bat, think about it, Dunks 
armor would weigh more than 

601
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,800
Raymond's armor, right? 
So just how big you are, what 

602
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,520
type of armor you're wearing? 
But the heaviest armor is 

603
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,040
jousting armor, which ostensibly
they're wearing. 

604
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,040
Maybe they're not wearing. 
Especially Dunk might not have. 

605
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,160
No. 
Well, they wouldn't be wearing 

606
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,000
jousting armor for a trial by 7,
that would be. 

607
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,840
For they know they're going to 
end up down off the horses of 

608
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,960
fight. 
Yeah, but jousting armor weighs,

609
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,360
give or take a hundred, £130. 
Like Dunks might be 130 and 

610
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:54,640
Raymonds might be not. 
Include the. 

611
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:55,960
Does that include the shield 
and? 

612
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,400
I don't think that even includes
the shield. 

613
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,280
And the shield's not that heavy,
probably, but. 

614
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,920
Yeah, which, but but you do have
to think that is another. 

615
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,760
Adding on you. 
Know 8 lbs and I I don't know if

616
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,760
that would include things like 
they're clothes underneath which

617
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,680
wouldn't, which might be like 
pad cotton I. 

618
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,160
Believe it does because that's 
that's that's in inseparable 

619
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,240
from the kit. 
You can't really take that, you 

620
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:18,640
know, you know, I mean, why 
would you count the weight of? 

621
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,480
Not that if it's only ever going
to be worn together, but. 

622
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,160
I remember both myself and some 
of the reading and research I 

623
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,480
did that modern marines in 
combat are usually wearing. 

624
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,480
You know, give or take 80 lbs of
stuff. 

625
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,560
Now that includes. 
Like ancient Roma legionaries as

626
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:34,800
well. 
They would carry around all that

627
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:35,640
stuff. 
Yeah, it's crazy. 

628
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,920
And when I was in your army and 
I had like a radio and 

629
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,920
batteries, I was an 
intelligence, so I had extra 

630
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,520
maps and whatever extra stuff. 
But I was carrying around and 

631
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,960
I'm only 125 and I was carrying 
almost £100. 

632
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,320
That's after I jumped out of the
plane because getting on a 

633
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,000
plane, I also had the parachute 
and the reserve. 

634
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,560
So, you know, anyway, it's, it's
the type of thing that exhausts 

635
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,360
you just walking the list 
distance of a football field or 

636
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,560
whatever, never mind running 
around and swinging and 

637
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:02,720
everything. 
And then how tired you are 

638
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,200
afterwards when you're fueled by
the adrenaline that allowed you 

639
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,000
to do more than you would have 
normally been able to do. 

640
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,720
And then once that adrenaline's 
gone, you're like. 

641
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,920
Tired. 
The actors portrayed that very 

642
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,760
well. 
I I don't think they were 

643
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,160
skimping on that. 
Another one of my picks for dunk

644
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,120
scene was when he pulled himself
up and like so I can do just to 

645
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,680
raise the back this shore back 
up to the ready and Aryan is 

646
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,600
like has to lean over and pick 
up his sword. 

647
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,840
And I made the point about Aryan
that his adrenaline would have 

648
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,160
already faded because he thought
it was over. 

649
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:32,680
And like, how do you get back to
that? 

650
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,280
You know, Anyway, so let's, 
anyway, we've, we've, we've 

651
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:36,520
stuck with this point a little 
too long. 

652
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,960
Let's let's move on. 
Ashaya, your favorite, your 

653
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,080
disappointment. 
Favorite. 

654
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,000
Sorry, your favorite 
disappointment. 

655
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,560
For me, it was Tansel. 
I think there were a couple 

656
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,320
beats and scenes, moments that 
weren't in the show that were in

657
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,080
the book, specifically with her 
and Egg. 

658
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,280
Her and Egg interacted a little 
bit more like she played with 

659
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,240
the puppets with him a little 
bit more in the in the novella. 

660
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,920
Not a lot, but when when the 
characters as scant as as that I

661
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,520
I wanted that as well. 
Seems like they replaced that 

662
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,200
which is him watching more more 
scenes than watching which isn't

663
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:08,360
as. 
But I would have liked to have 

664
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,800
him and Tansel just talking and 
interacting more anyway. 

665
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,640
So it's that and just the, the, 
the length of the episode. 

666
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,280
I, I think I want more. 
So that's got to be it for me. 

667
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,480
Right on. 
I have three quick ones. 

668
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,920
One was the the lack of the 
dunks reaction to the small 

669
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,640
folk, which I acknowledge they 
just goofed and left that for 

670
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:27,920
they meant to have that in and 
forgot. 

671
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,280
Oh well, you know, don't don't 
be too hard on them for that. 

672
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:31,920
But it absolutely is a 
disappointment. 

673
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,160
I was hoping for more jousting, 
not a big deal, and more 

674
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,000
appearances of some of the other
nobles that also I can kind of 

675
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,600
go, OK, that's a budget thing. 
The tug of war was sort of a 

676
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,600
replacement for jousting that 
they couldn't afford. 

677
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,280
I think that's people. 
That's a lot of the theory 

678
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,280
that's out there. 
That seems like almost certainly

679
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,120
true. 
And I was a little disappointed 

680
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,240
with the funeral because I all 
season long I was like, oh, 

681
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,080
we're going to see some cool 
characters at the funeral. 

682
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,960
That didn't really happen. 
There were characters that we 

683
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,880
still don't know who they are. 
So maybe when we learn who they 

684
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,400
are, if we learn who they are, 
we might, I might go back and 

685
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,960
go, OK, this was a little cooler
than I thought, but right now I 

686
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,960
had higher hopes for that and it
didn't really pan out. 

687
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,680
Part of your, I don't know, 
excitement or anticipation was 

688
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,720
your ability to recognize who 
they were. 

689
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,760
Like I should know of these? 
People. 

690
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,920
Through contacts and signs and 
da, da da. 

691
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,320
And we still weren't able Yeah, 
like people who we thought would

692
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,520
be there either weren't there or
we couldn't identify them. 

693
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:24,600
And yeah, that's a. 
Little bit, yeah. 

694
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,280
Which is by the reason the 
budget's the same reason why 

695
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,480
some of those figures were seen 
walking at the end and why only 

696
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,640
certain people had horses. 
That's almost certainly budget 

697
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,240
as well. 
The horse budget, you know all 

698
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,760
that I saw. 
Someone who had a satisfying 

699
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,080
answer to that, which is that 
often when you had a courtyard 

700
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:42,480
like that, everyone would exit 
and get on getting carriages 

701
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,200
outside of the courtyard. 
Like they have carriages waiting

702
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:46,120
for them. 
There's a, There's a. 

703
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,160
Arian was already on a carriage 
though. 

704
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:49,920
But you might be right still. 
Needed it desperately. 

705
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:50,920
Everyone else would just get 
out. 

706
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,400
That's a good point. 
Get them straight to. 

707
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,240
Longer to load them in if they 
get everyone into the courtyard.

708
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:56,840
Anyways. 
It was someone was talking about

709
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,200
real world they. 
Wouldn't be carriages. 

710
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,360
You're right, they wouldn't be. 
Most of them would not be riding

711
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:01,680
on horses. 
They'd be carriages. 

712
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:02,240
You're right. 
That's. 

713
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,440
A good point. 
If they, if those ladies, 

714
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,200
specifically Kiara, if Ty Rosh 
and the other ladies with her, 

715
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,320
if they were leaving, moving the
courtyard and then they're all 

716
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,240
going to get in a carriage a 
little bit later than that. 

717
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:11,960
It's fine. 
Yeah. 

718
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:12,920
I can see that. 
You're right. 

719
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,920
That's a pretty good. 
I can work with that for sure. 

720
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,840
All right, so let's highlight 
non Dunkin Egg character that 

721
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,080
you really like the most or 
thought stood out the most, 

722
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:23,000
Sean. 
Hit it. 

723
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,320
My default is Baylor, but I I 
two things. 

724
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:28,320
I feel like he's a little 
cheating. 

725
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,680
He's among the most obvious ones
to pick. 

726
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,240
And also I, and I don't know 
quite how to say this because, 

727
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,640
you know, disappointment isn't 
quite the right word, but 

728
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,680
because he was good. 
He was. 

729
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,160
He was, I was going to say fine,
but not just fine, but good, but

730
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,720
somehow just didn't quite hit. 
And I don't know how much it was

731
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,680
the actor or the story around 
him, but he didn't quite hit 

732
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:54,160
this like, I don't know, 
monumental character to look up 

733
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,760
to that that I felt in the book,
you know, So but but yeah, I'm 

734
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,760
still picking him here and in my
backup, who I'm antsy about 

735
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,600
picking as my #1 because of his 
villainous. 

736
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,120
But Aryan did a really good job.
I thought they did. 

737
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,639
They brought he had more depth 
in the show than he did in the 

738
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:10,880
book. 
And I think that was that was 

739
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,960
done well, made it more 
meaningful, made him more 

740
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,360
interesting. 
Right on. 

741
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:15,440
OK. 
Yeah, I definitely agree with 

742
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:16,920
you about Aryan. 
I probably don't agree with you 

743
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,600
about Baylor. 
I felt like he came off 

744
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,400
similarly the book, but that's 
just that's just me. 

745
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:21,840
I definitely wouldn't argue 
Kosia. 

746
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,360
What about you? 
I'm going to say Lionel 

747
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,719
Baratheon. 
I thought Daniel Ings was just 

748
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,239
so charismatic. 
Every time he was on screen, I 

749
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,000
was excited. 
I see him in the background and 

750
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,120
he was like, oh, it's Lionel 
there. 

751
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,440
You know, like I was, I was 
enthused about him. 

752
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,040
So I mean, I feel like that's 
the easy answer. 

753
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,080
I feel like he was such a 
standout popular character for 

754
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,639
so many people, honestly. 
But you know, I, I don't need to

755
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,280
avoid a popular answer just 
because it's popular. 

756
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:50,679
I think he's popular for good 
reason. 

757
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:52,800
And that actor brought a lot to 
the role. 

758
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,520
And I think Ira Parker talked 
about this, that they went 

759
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,400
through casting that role and it
just wasn't clicking. 

760
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,360
And then they they weren't, it 
wasn't hitting for him. 

761
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,160
And then Daniel Ings comes in 
and he just brought so much of 

762
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,560
himself to it. 
Yeah. 

763
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,960
So much swagger and and all of 
that, I guess. 

764
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,880
And, and I was like, yeah, like 
their Lionel is a lot of Daniel 

765
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,960
Ings in it, I think. 
And so that was cool to to learn

766
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,120
about. 
Someone. 

767
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,320
Yeah, Well done there. 
OK, so for me, I I've been 

768
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,000
picking Raymond all season long.
I've by now a lot of you are 

769
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,440
like that dude. 
Aziz must have a man crush on 

770
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:28,480
Raymond. 
And you're right. 

771
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,880
I do. 
I like that guy a lot. 

772
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,920
I I liked him from the second he
appears like I like that guy and

773
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,560
it's just stayed all season 
long. 

774
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,960
I like Raymond. 
Everybody likes Raymond, but 

775
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,400
especially me. 
My I would love. 

776
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,320
Raymond. 
I think I do love Raymond. 

777
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,320
Yes, I do love Raymond and Sir 
Arlen too. 

778
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:49,240
Just that's one that it's hard 
to point mix up. 

779
00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:52,400
Maybe episode 5 or maybe episode
6 as well. 

780
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,400
There's not like a single moment
in the for earlier episodes. 

781
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,280
We can go Arlen boom. 
You know, like there's a little 

782
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,680
bits and pieces. 
If you look at it as a whole, 

783
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,120
and this is one of the 
characters that most benefit 

784
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,160
from looking at the season as a 
whole, it really comes together 

785
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:07,760
more. 
And like I said, especially 

786
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,040
because they did such a great 
job with his ending, with his 

787
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,000
epilogue and with how much he 
meant to Dunk when it mattered 

788
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,440
most and how Dunk thought 
through him and how he was the 

789
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,000
character the Dunk spent the 
most. 

790
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,040
I'm thinking about and and and 
landing in a good place on like,

791
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:21,560
yeah, he had problems, he had 
issues. 

792
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,600
But the most important thing was
he taught me to be a true knight

793
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,920
and that outweighs everything 
else because that's like such a 

794
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,280
huge thing. 
So that was really good. 

795
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,320
I like that. 
You know, Aziz, my second answer

796
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,720
would have been Raymond. 
You'd already written him. 

797
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:35,920
And I wanted to say Lionel more 
anyways, but I also feel that 

798
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,400
that Sean Thomas brought an 
extra sparkle to Raymond just by

799
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:41,280
his accent. 
Yeah. 

800
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,960
Accent and Stefan Fossaway too. 
I love both those guys. 

801
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,280
Actors, Stefan. 
Really like I knew what was 

802
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,200
going to happen and that actor 
had me like wanting, really 

803
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,920
wanting to believe him. 
Like he was very convincing. 

804
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,080
Stefan is a good actor in 
addition to his actor. 

805
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:56,240
Yeah, go Fossaways. 
Yeah. 

806
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,080
As you said, I want to point 
your shirt out. 

807
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:03,360
I can tell it's, you know, 
Targaryen dragon emblem, but 

808
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,560
they're red and green like. 
Apples, you know, kind of 

809
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,640
roundish and. 
I should make you a red and 

810
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,120
green apple shirt. 
Phosphate shirt. 

811
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:11,920
Please do, Please do. 
I'll wear I. 

812
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,440
Wish I'd done it before this 
season. 

813
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,160
I should think. 
I got to think more about your 

814
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,320
shirt by. 
The time that's great, yeah. 

815
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,440
And of course, just not to 
mention his the the the very 

816
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:26,120
obvious and and pleasing 
parallels to Podrick that they 

817
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,160
put in with him. 
He's so Podricky, which is of 

818
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,760
course, so perfect because 
Brienne, right? 

819
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,040
I mean, that's the connection is
straightforward. 

820
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,720
You got to love that, right? 
Highlight character slash 

821
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:36,920
performance who had very few 
lines or scenes. 

822
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,040
Now, very few is open to 
interpretation. 

823
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,840
You you 2 both picked one that I
think maybe goes over like, I 

824
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,440
don't think I think paid had too
many lines. 

825
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:44,960
I think Rowan did too. 
But you're allowed to talk 

826
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,480
about. 
I'm just going to say that I was

827
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,520
thinking of people who had like 
two or three lines at most. 

828
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,760
But let's see what you all said.
Sean, what is your choice? 

829
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,840
Yeah, my my first instinct was 
Pate, but one I was debating how

830
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:02,240
much of that is because he I 
feel, and again, trying to give 

831
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:05,400
a measured response here, I 
don't think Pate was bad or in 

832
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,120
any way in the show, but he hit 
me harder in the book. 

833
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,200
I appreciated him more in the 
book than it didn't show. 

834
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,960
I still love them in the show, 
but even more in the book, But 

835
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,120
also I was questioning whether 
or not, you know, how how minor 

836
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:17,680
was your how minor you wanted to
get here. 

837
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:22,400
And I realized when it impressed
me significantly, that was minor

838
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,840
in show and book and impressed 
me more in the show than in the 

839
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,600
book was Villar. 
I think that that little bit at 

840
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,760
the end with Villar we had 
always I don't even know if he 

841
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,200
spoke that time when Aryan wrote
up to him and said I won't 

842
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,760
embarrass you today, cousin. 
We saw him, but I don't think he

843
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:41,040
spoke and I don't think we even 
saw him again until, you know, 

844
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:42,760
maybe he was like somewhere in 
the background. 

845
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,280
I didn't notice. 
But when Dunk comes up and asks 

846
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,040
him and and that was it. 
That moment was in the book. 

847
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,000
They. 
Slightly expanded the lines. 

848
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,880
They did one extra one, yeah. 
I that when he talked about his 

849
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,400
father dying in his armor. 
Yeah. 

850
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,520
And if I remember right, I think
it was him that said what did 

851
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,680
your tree tell me? 
And they moved that to Makar. 

852
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,160
That's still Makar. 
That was still Makar. 

853
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,000
OK, but anyway that I thought 
that moment was really good. 

854
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,560
I think he again, like the whole
point is he didn't have much 

855
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,080
screen time, but that little 
moment, I think he nailed it. 

856
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,240
Yeah, I agree. 
And I also want to give some 

857
00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:17,120
credit to to the filmmaking in 
general. 

858
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,920
I think it was really good the 
way they cut to Dunk. 

859
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:21,920
He his voice over still 
happening. 

860
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,640
We see Dunk walking through town
and he tells him to be gone. 

861
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:29,360
It was, it's a thing that like, 
we want to love Dunk and it's 

862
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,520
extra hurtful because we know 
what Dunk's going through, but 

863
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,120
also we know what Velar's going 
through too. 

864
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,600
Like it makes sense for him to 
be upset and frustrated. 

865
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,160
He could have been a lot meaner 
there too. 

866
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:39,840
You know what? 
I mean, yeah. 

867
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,800
And it and it was that was 
really well done, that he wasn't

868
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,280
mean. 
It was like, look, I'm I 

869
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,400
understand everything that 
happened, but like, the sight of

870
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,280
you is still upsetting me. 
Like, I know it's not 

871
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,640
necessarily your fault, but 
like, I'm hurt and I can't deal 

872
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,160
with it. 
Yeah, it was it was very human. 

873
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,080
And and you're right, the 
performance, that one, those 

874
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,040
couple lines was just Oscar 
Morgan nailed it. 

875
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:00,000
Yeah, who is your choice? 
Well, you said Rowan slash Red 

876
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,040
is maybe a little too featured. 
I still will shout her out 

877
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,600
because, I mean, not not many 
women in the show and they 

878
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,400
wanted to add it. 
She had quite a character arc 

879
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,840
and it's a good actress. 
You know, a lot of her scenes 

880
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,720
were just her kind of her, her 
reactions and not really her 

881
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:17,640
talking. 
That much you know, but for 

882
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:22,040
someone who counts for your your
actual specifications, Gwen, who

883
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,240
I mean, she had a lot of lines 
too, like a good amount. 

884
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:30,000
But I'll say Gwen, because they 
turned a nothing character, just

885
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:34,480
kind of this nameless girl that 
this whole tourney is is 

886
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,040
centered around that we never 
really learn anything about. 

887
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:42,400
And they gave her a personality,
a clear arc. 

888
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:43,800
She really looked she looked 
young. 

889
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,840
Like we watched it with some 
friends and she said that thing 

890
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,760
about how Dunk was big and 
stupid. 

891
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,600
And my our friend goes, what is 
she, 12? 

892
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,560
I'm like, yeah, actually it's 
her 13th birthday, that. 

893
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,200
Makes sense, yeah. 
So like, I, I felt like that 

894
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,280
actress was good. 
I felt like the writing was 

895
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,440
good. 
It came full circle with her 

896
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:04,200
being teary eyed and upset about
the grave injustice and and what

897
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,080
she witnessed. 
And yeah, I just thought that 

898
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,680
was a a great arc for her on 
both ladies. 

899
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,560
I mentioned I think both of them
had kind of a complete arc, a 

900
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,400
story up to them I suppose, 
which I appreciated. 

901
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,080
I agree. 
Yeah, good shout out there. 

902
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,160
Sean, you have something to add.
Yeah, I wanted to point out of 

903
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,080
Shia that when that first scene 
happened and she's like, oh, 

904
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,120
you're you know, you're dumb and
stupid. 

905
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,040
And she kind of ran off and I, 
and I was a little perplexed by 

906
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,040
that. 
I was like, oh, I get. 

907
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,400
This instantly I'm like she's 
wants to share the tea, she 

908
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,080
wants to gossip. 
She's a 13 year old girl. 

909
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,800
And since you said that, I can't
stop thinking about it. 

910
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,680
It makes me appreciate that 
moment and that character more. 

911
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,080
And I'm even thinking in the 
next season about the one 

912
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:44,960
maester who wants to gossip with
everyone. 

913
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,840
And it is just kind of part of 
the world in people's lives, 

914
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,160
especially back then when it 
wasn't like. 

915
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,520
Your social media or your? 
TV or anything to tune into or 

916
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,920
whatever the the only thing you 
had to talk about is what Jimmy 

917
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:58,880
did at the Marquee. 
What? 

918
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,200
Other. 
Yeah like what other nobles 

919
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,360
brought their 13 year old 
daughters with them, you know, 

920
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,040
to the tournament? 
Probably very few, if any. 

921
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,320
You know, she's like, yeah, 
it's. 

922
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:07,520
A shame. 
Like, you're like, this is a 

923
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,400
tournament for a 13 year old, 
but they bring their daughters. 

924
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,160
Yeah. 
Like they belong there, too. 

925
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:13,440
That's crazy. 
Yeah, I totally agree. 

926
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,960
That was a really good added. 
Those were both very good added 

927
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,720
characters that were actually 
there, but their role was like, 

928
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:21,920
Red was there, or at least a 
redheaded sex worker was there. 

929
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,560
In the book, they don't give her
a name, which is kind of funny 

930
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,520
that they call her Red because 
that's like, well, that was what

931
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:28,480
she read. 
That's the only thing we know 

932
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:28,960
about her. 
Yeah. 

933
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:31,480
But yeah, those were. 
That was really good. 

934
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,880
Little small touches like that 
really, really help fill it out.

935
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,600
I'll choose either Beesbury or 
Sir Robin. 

936
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,760
I really appreciate it. 
Both the efficient way they gave

937
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,320
us a little bit to like about 
both of them very quickly. 

938
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:46,920
Like Sir Robin, I loved his if 
it is madness bid, it is madness

939
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,800
delivered. 
Like his delivery was just off 

940
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,040
in a way that fits a guy who's a
little off like that. 

941
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,800
His intonation and inflections 
were a little weird, which is 

942
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,200
perfect. 
And Beesberry like, let's, let's

943
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,880
not forget that Humphrey 
Beesberry was the one who did 

944
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,880
those amazing splits in the 
first episode to start off the 

945
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,560
dancing and then was doing all 
this great dancing and he had 

946
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:13,000
that great mustache. 
And and the fact that that both 

947
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,120
of these houses more so bees 
buried by a lot actually got 

948
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,000
some more like they expanded on 
how like their house lore like 

949
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,440
the the bee coffin as. 
A bee's burial. 

950
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:23,640
The bee's burial, Yeah, like, 
nice. 

951
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,760
Like, good job with that. 
You know, it wasn't just a 

952
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,640
character, it was the the lore 
around them. 

953
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,680
Can I highlight another thing 
that I like that doesn't quite 

954
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,720
fit into any of the categories 
that you had? 

955
00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:35,400
And maybe you guys might want to
do the same thing. 

956
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,560
The flashbacks, I thought it was
awesome. 

957
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,720
I thought the use of flashbacks 
was awesome. 

958
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,600
They, they, they're both the, I 
don't know that the timing, the 

959
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,320
editing, that in addition to the
actual material that we saw. 

960
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,320
And you know, I don't want to, I
was fine. 

961
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,880
I've seen some complaints about 
that, the long one with Rafe and

962
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,840
all that. 
And you know, being longer gives

963
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,640
more space to complain or 
whatever I guess. 

964
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,800
Well, this is a perfect time for
me to bring up a quote from Ira 

965
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,000
Parker. 
This was from an IGN interview 

966
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,320
where he speaks to the 
flashbacks and Sir Arlen and 

967
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,640
I'll read it. 
You guys give me your takes and 

968
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,920
I'll we're done with Sir Arlen, 
Parker said. 

969
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,640
Sir Arlen is allowed to go rest.
He has done his job with Dunk. 

970
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,080
Dunk is now a night and he's 
heading off to have his own 

971
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,760
journeys with his own Squire. 
Would Sir Arlen ever come back? 

972
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,840
I would love that. 
First of all, I just love Danny 

973
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,240
Webb and I think he's a genius 
and I think he is Sir Arlen and 

974
00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:34,240
he just did such a brilliant job
for us. 

975
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,920
But we will do flashbacks when 
they're appropriate for the 

976
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,600
story. 
For the moment, I would say 

977
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:45,360
we're probably not even doing 
them as frequently as we did in 

978
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,840
Season 1. 
They're different, they're 

979
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,880
changed. 
They're a reflection of the 

980
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,800
story that we're in and where 
Dunk is in his life. 

981
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,240
That took me aback. 
I would have thought there might

982
00:44:57,240 --> 00:45:00,000
be still plenty of Arlen 
flashbacks. 

983
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,600
There might be a lot of 
flashbacks in Season 2. 

984
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:06,680
It it definitely surprised me a 
little bit and maybe it's a 

985
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,720
misdirect and maybe he's just 
underplaying it. 

986
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,440
I'm not sure. 
Yeah, it's a little surprising 

987
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,560
to me too, because not only did 
I kind of expect there to be 

988
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,600
more on flashbacks, but I also 
kind of anticipated some Black 

989
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,160
Fire Rebellion flashbacks. 
But the the context of what you 

990
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,360
said just there makes me think 
not or is so. 

991
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:23,800
Limited. 
Yeah, yeah. 

992
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,480
No, I I don't think anything 
they said there precludes like 

993
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,640
black fire flashbacks like he 
says, like he's in fact, he's 

994
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,040
saying that's what there will 
because it has to fit the story.

995
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:33,200
He's. 
Just saying we're not doing the 

996
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,360
best frequently, you know, it 
just, it makes it seem. 

997
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,880
Different they they're going to 
be about where Dunk is right now

998
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,440
and that's a little bit but 
yeah, again, it doesn't preclude

999
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,160
it but it makes me think that 
where. 

1000
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:48,320
He is right now is in a Fleur 
service to a former black fire 

1001
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,320
Lord. 
That's so that's and who who who

1002
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:54,240
is does very little but think 
about what could have been you 

1003
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:57,160
know, like he mopes over it. 
Well, mopes is a little unfair. 

1004
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:58,960
He's lost his pretty much his 
whole family. 

1005
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,160
That's underselling it. 
But still, yeah. 

1006
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,880
So I think that is it's, it's 
inextricable from the plot line 

1007
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,600
that that that is very black 
fire coded. 

1008
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,360
I guess in my head I would have 
thought season 2 might have more

1009
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,200
flashbacks, not fewer, so that's
where I'm surprised. 

1010
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:16,240
I don't necessarily agree. 
I would think longer flashbacks,

1011
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,600
less of them though, because you
don't, you have to show extended

1012
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,720
moment. 
Like the way Sir Sir Eustace 

1013
00:46:21,720 --> 00:46:25,800
thinks about it is these 
descriptions of battle and these

1014
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,200
aren't something that you can do
with one quick flash. 

1015
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,520
You're he's like describing a 
long duel between Damon 

1016
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:35,160
Blackfyre and and Gwain Korbray 
and what happens before it and 

1017
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:36,480
right after. 
And like, I don't think you 

1018
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,960
could just do 2 seconds. 
Like that's that's 15 seconds, 

1019
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:41,960
30 seconds. 
And you're going to have several

1020
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:43,840
of those maybe. 
I mean, you would you would 

1021
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,280
think that's a strong 
possibility. 

1022
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:46,760
So. 
But we'll see. 

1023
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,040
Yeah. 
I mean, who knows? 

1024
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,280
Like, they obviously haven't 
done all this yet. 

1025
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:51,640
This is just still in the 
planning phase. 

1026
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,920
They're filming some of it, but 
it's not all set in stone yet. 

1027
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,400
So, yeah, well, it'll be fun to 
come back and, and look at this 

1028
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,280
a little later and see what's 
actually done and, and how the 

1029
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,640
flashbacks have changed. 
And that'll give us a better 

1030
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:06,280
idea to predict Season 3 if they
have different, like, approaches

1031
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,440
to the way they do flashbacks. 
Cause 'cause as we discussed, 

1032
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:10,400
it's not just the Black Fire 
stuff. 

1033
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,600
It's like, well, are they going 
to do Doran as a flashback, Old 

1034
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,000
Town as a flashback, visiting 
next to Raymond, all that? 

1035
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,960
Yeah. 
Make our finding him and give 

1036
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,200
him the ring, yeah? 
Added scenes like that, Sure, 

1037
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:21,320
yeah. 
Perfect examples. 

1038
00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:25,840
So on the same theme as 
characters like Gwen and Sir 

1039
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,800
Robin and Beesbury and maybe 
even Valar, there were 

1040
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:34,240
characters who were particularly
expanded on the most, more than 

1041
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:36,800
others, I'd say. 
And those would be the ones we 

1042
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,960
want to discuss now. 
Most of the characters, like the

1043
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:43,200
Targaryens, for example, weren't
changed very much. 

1044
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:47,600
They were adapted very 
seamlessly to the page, almost 

1045
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,240
like sure make ours. 
Personally, he was a little 

1046
00:47:49,240 --> 00:47:50,440
different. 
His delivery is a little 

1047
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,120
different. 
Baylor Sean said maybe he didn't

1048
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:54,880
have quite the weight. 
I didn't agree with that. 

1049
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,560
But either way, the dialogue 
that he's given is almost 

1050
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,360
identical to the book and and 
his scenes are almost identical.

1051
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,680
So I think it's a character like
Sir Lionel that Ishaya 

1052
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,000
highlighted earlier that we're 
we come back to here and there 

1053
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:09,320
is a may be the most shining 
example, maybe the character 

1054
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,720
that was most expanded on. 
Certainly there's a case to be 

1055
00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:13,920
made for that. 
It may be Sir Arlen or Raymond 

1056
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:15,720
or other cases to be made, but 
we'll see. 

1057
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,200
Let's talk about Sir Lionel for 
a minute. 

1058
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:18,800
I'll start it off and then hand 
it off to you guys. 

1059
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,280
In addition to disliking 
Dragons, as we see in episode 6 

1060
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,120
there, Lionel's a Stormlander. 
That's something we forgot to 

1061
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,840
mention, which might be a thing 
about, well, he doesn't like 

1062
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,720
Dornish people when Baylor is 
half Dornish. 

1063
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:30,600
So you might not have liked. 
There's another angle to Baylor 

1064
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,080
that he might not have been so 
throw about. 

1065
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,800
He said the line the others 
effing gelled me in response to 

1066
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:41,520
his witch maester saying things.
That's an interesting little 

1067
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,240
tidbit because the others the 
line the others has never been 

1068
00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:46,240
used on the TV before. 
They never used that. 

1069
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:47,920
They only only call them white 
walkers. 

1070
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:52,480
That was for a meta reason. 
It was because at the time the 

1071
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,360
show Lost was still pretty 
recent. 

1072
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:56,560
Well, there's two reasons. 
That was one of the reasons that

1073
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,200
the show Lost was pretty recent.
It's not really recent anymore 

1074
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:00,760
in 2026. 
They don't really have to care 

1075
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,320
about that anymore. 
But the others was a very big 

1076
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,120
part of lost. 
Also, when you're reading the 

1077
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,320
book, when you're reading the 
song about in fire, it's capital

1078
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,080
O others. 
So you're not you're not 

1079
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,440
confused by just a generic of 
those others in the show. 

1080
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:14,600
There's no way to communicate 
that. 

1081
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,040
So not easily. 
So they just went with White 

1082
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,320
Walkers, which is a more 
distinct, unique name. 

1083
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,520
So here we can easily just say, 
well, language drift. 

1084
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,480
Let's this is 90 years before. 
Like people just call things 

1085
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:31,160
differently, you know, over time
and words become trending and 

1086
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:32,600
then fall off and then come back
again. 

1087
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,000
So that this is a simple thing, 
but I'm. 

1088
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,200
But it was probably meant to be 
a little fun little Easter egg 

1089
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:38,880
there. 
I like how they made him a 

1090
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,160
little bit of a madman a lot. 
Some people kind of noted that 

1091
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:42,640
he was a little bit like Jack 
Sparrow. 

1092
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:44,800
And then he said, yeah, I was 
trying to be a little bit like 

1093
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,920
Jack Sparrow. 
It's like, oh, how about that? 

1094
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:51,240
I like the madman interpretation
because working with what they 

1095
00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:53,400
had, we don't know much about 
Laughing Storm. 

1096
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,840
He's tall. 
That's not really a personality 

1097
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,360
trait as much as they tried to 
make it 1 jokingly in the in 

1098
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:02,360
that tent scene with Lionel, he 
just laughed a lot and wanted to

1099
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:03,640
fight the Kingsguard. 
You know? 

1100
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,720
Like he didn't have a much of A 
personality. 

1101
00:50:05,720 --> 00:50:07,680
So they went with what they had.
Like this guy's a little crazy, 

1102
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:08,640
isn't he? 
He wants to fight the 

1103
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,640
Kingsguard. 
He laughs for 10 minutes 

1104
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,640
straight while someone's 
challenging him. 

1105
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:14,120
Remember I pointed to that 
before? 

1106
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,000
Like someone challenges him. 
He laughs. 

1107
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,040
He's still laughing as he's 
mounting his horse. 

1108
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:19,880
He's still laughing as he's 
charging. 

1109
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,200
Like, how long is this process? 
How long in a That's 10 minutes 

1110
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,320
of laughing like that is a 
little crazy, isn't it? 

1111
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:26,640
So. 
Yeah. 

1112
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,520
He's laughing at how heavy his 
armor is, and he's like, this is

1113
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,840
nothing to me. 
So yes, he's got a little bit of

1114
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,040
Tyrion in him, a little Jack 
Sparrow or maybe a little Loki, 

1115
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,000
you know, a little bit of look, 
because the mischievous is 

1116
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,560
there, too. 
They're like, he might want to 

1117
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,400
start a war. 
He's kind of talking about that 

1118
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:46,760
and he's often got, I personally
find the noble or rich person 

1119
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,200
who has everything and is bored 
by life as kind of a compelling,

1120
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,680
realistic portrayal in any 
setting. 

1121
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,520
So I worked a guy that like he's
an adrenaline junkie almost. 

1122
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,640
Nothing really excites him. 
It's more that than actual 

1123
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,600
bravery. 
It's like, yes, he's brave 

1124
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,920
because he can face dangers, but
it's more the appeal of 

1125
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,760
adrenaline that then rather 
conquering his own fear kind of 

1126
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,280
thing, if that makes sense. 
So I wonder if there's given the

1127
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:11,960
set up they have, I wonder what 
else we're going to see? 

1128
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,000
Like are those there going to be
build up? 

1129
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,160
Are we going to hear about him 
from afar, Duncan Egg and hear 

1130
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,040
news about Lionel? 
Like that's a thing. 

1131
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,720
If he if his father dies and he 
becomes Lord of Storms end, 

1132
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:23,320
that's the kind of thing we 
could a way to keep up with him 

1133
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,320
in between seasons. 
That would be that's the kind of

1134
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,680
news that would sweep the 
country like the Lord of Storms 

1135
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,240
end just passed. 
That's everyone would be talking

1136
00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:32,080
about that. 
And also I wonder like, who else

1137
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,240
he's recruiting Dunk for 
something, you know, because he 

1138
00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:37,360
saw the power of Dunk and the 
appeal of Dunk and the quality. 

1139
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,360
Who else is he recruiting? 
You know, who else is he 

1140
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,160
gathering, you know, in his 
corner? 

1141
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,480
So yeah, anyway, I, I appreciate
it all that. 

1142
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:46,760
I really like the expansion of 
the character. 

1143
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,200
Do you How do you all either of 
y'all have anything to add about

1144
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:50,680
the expansion of Sir Lionel's 
character? 

1145
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:54,160
Well, one the log line for the 
character, yeah, was part Jack 

1146
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,840
Sparrow, part Ernest Hemingway, 
and was what they compared him 

1147
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,120
to. 
I see in the chat I like this a 

1148
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,800
lot, Sunny Skies 4000 says 
Lionel reminded me of Taika 

1149
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,200
Waititi as Blackbeard and our 
flag means death. 

1150
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:07,880
He did have a bit of that 
slaying pirate. 

1151
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,680
Wow, a little. 
Bit capricious, sometimes 

1152
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:16,240
emotional, kind of just wanting 
to do things for the fun of. 

1153
00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:18,400
It the man crush on the main 
character. 

1154
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,200
Very fruity, very like. 
I mean, I that's something we 

1155
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,240
haven't said here about Lionel, 
but I think it can't be ignored 

1156
00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:30,000
that he is very queer coded in 
the way that a future Lord Ling 

1157
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,920
would be. 
You know, like he's not we're 

1158
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,320
never going to see him living 
that life, but he is going to 

1159
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,520
talk about fingers up the bum 
and smack dunks ass. 

1160
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,040
And you know what I mean? 
Like it's as coded as it could 

1161
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:45,520
be without making him a gay 
character, which also is going 

1162
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,680
to kind of be foreshadowing. 
I don't know a little a moose 

1163
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:50,280
bouche. 
I don't know, an appetizer to 

1164
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,560
what we're going to get in the 
third book in the mystery night 

1165
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,280
with John the fiddler where he 
has, you know, a real another 

1166
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:00,680
guy who has a kind of a crush on
him, not a definite crush. 

1167
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:05,960
So, you know, so I think Lionel 
set the stage for everybody once

1168
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,880
dunk, you know, everybody is 
kind of captivated by dunk. 

1169
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,840
Even someone who is this 
charismatic man is Lionel 

1170
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,160
Baratheon. 
Once dunk on his side and by his

1171
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,320
side and finds him attractive in
some way. 

1172
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,160
He sees the power of dunk he's 
like this is this is this guy's 

1173
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,080
got a future. 
He noticed it before most other 

1174
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,920
people, if not anyone even 
except maybe Egg He. 

1175
00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:30,280
Wants him on his side, by his 
side, on his lap. 

1176
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,560
Yep, I agree and and appreciate 
everything you guys have all 

1177
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,640
said. 
But I came away with a little 

1178
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,760
bit of a sour note from Lionel. 
I thought that it was he was 

1179
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:47,520
coming across a little prejudice
against the the Targaryens and 

1180
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,080
not reading the room. 
Well, with Dunk, you know, I 

1181
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,440
think that and I do think it's 
unsheatable. 

1182
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,760
I want to tell you, I like that.
I don't want a character without

1183
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,280
flaws and I like that he has 
those flaws. 

1184
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,080
Right. 
It it, I should clarify it 

1185
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:04,840
doesn't make me not like the 
character or the performance or 

1186
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:08,640
the edition or whatever else, 
but it makes me not like Lionel 

1187
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,520
and also it makes me not like 
Lionel as much. 

1188
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,360
It just took him a down when 
not. 

1189
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,600
Usually you're speaking in 
world, not like you don't 

1190
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,640
dislike the way he was writing 
or you're just like. 

1191
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:19,160
Presented well, I don't like 
that warm. 

1192
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,280
Well, he was interesting, you 
know, all the stuff you guys 

1193
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:27,800
said, but his, I don't know, 
disdain for the Targaryen in the

1194
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:31,360
face of Dunk, who is trying to 
appreciate a Targaryen like that

1195
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,760
moment. 
Like, I feel like why don't you 

1196
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,520
just wrote it? 
Dunk might have come with you 

1197
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:37,000
and you just wrote it. 
You know what I mean? 

1198
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,080
So. 
I don't think he was going to go

1199
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:40,800
with him in any case. 
But you're right, Like he if he 

1200
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:42,520
had a chance of of doing it, he 
was going to. 

1201
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,600
He was rude because Dunk was 
like, I am running the opposite 

1202
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:45,920
way from the nobility no matter 
what. 

1203
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:47,920
But you're right. 
But he, Lionel could have made 

1204
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:49,440
it more tempting, but he wasn't 
tempted. 

1205
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,800
The way he sold it, it wasn't 
really being sold at all. 

1206
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:53,600
So yeah, I totally agree with 
you there. 

1207
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,160
Let's talk about House Fossaway,
because there's 2 characters 

1208
00:54:56,160 --> 00:55:01,080
here and a whole new branch, pun
intended, a House Fossaway. 

1209
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:02,640
Yeah. 
I love the idea of Duncan Egg. 

1210
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,800
Kind of like maybe hearing that 
Lionel's now Lord of Storm's End

1211
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,960
and maybe things he's doing as a
result of that and the changes 

1212
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,040
he's making. 
We're going to hear about New 

1213
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:12,920
Barrel from afar. 
It doesn't exist yet. 

1214
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,640
We know it will soon. 
This is a cadet branch, and 

1215
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,680
that's not a yearly affair. 
You don't see new houses pop up 

1216
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,640
that often, cadet branches or 
otherwise. 

1217
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,280
Nor do you see, like new castles
built very often. 

1218
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,080
It's pretty rare. 
Like Westeros is very set, you 

1219
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,760
know what I mean? 
Like, not a lot of, not a lot of

1220
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,120
change at the top like that. 
Not a lot of New Castle's coming

1221
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:33,840
and going, right? 
That's a very rare thing. 

1222
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,520
Shout out to Nina, who caught 
that. 

1223
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,640
Edward Ashley, which is the 
actor for Stephen Fossaway, 

1224
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,840
actually knew his house words. 
There's a little behind the 

1225
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:45,400
scenes thing, which we actually 
said a taste for glory, which is

1226
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,680
the house red apple. 
Fossaway's house words, a taste 

1227
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:49,840
of glory. 
Yeah. 

1228
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:55,640
Which is pretty appropriate for 
how he acted and spoke and all 

1229
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,520
that. 
And how's he feeling now though?

1230
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,520
That he's this? 
He had a he had a shot at glory.

1231
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,840
Instead, he's famous for losing 
to his cousin. 

1232
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,560
Oh well, too bad for him. 
A guy like that, I think he's 

1233
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:08,880
still feeling fine. 
Yeah. 

1234
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:10,960
He can lie to himself easily. 
Yeah, he's lost. 

1235
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:12,400
Or his own way. 
And he's. 

1236
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,520
The heir to Cider Hall. 
His life is going to be just 

1237
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:15,000
fine. 
Yeah. 

1238
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,720
And it's a little bit of a 
parallel to Dunk himself, right?

1239
00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:23,280
Like Stefan promised tonight, 
Raymond one day and ultimately 

1240
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,160
it didn't happen. 
Raymond got knighted by somebody

1241
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:26,960
else. 
Not a parallel in that there's 

1242
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:30,240
any doubt in in this case, we 
saw it happen, but still there 

1243
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:33,160
is a little bit of that. 
And Dunk is not done thinking 

1244
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:34,800
about Stefan. 
We may never get this in the 

1245
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,640
show because it's an internal 
thought, but in in the mystery 

1246
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,480
night, Dunk thinks about 
Stefan's betrayal and how it's 

1247
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,400
still like bothers him and 
haunts him. 

1248
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,680
It continues to be a factor that
makes him mistrustful. 

1249
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,760
The nobility there I I feel like
they just would stuff with 

1250
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,360
Lionel was a way to expand on 
that. 

1251
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,480
Like well it isn't just this one
guy or the Targaryen. 

1252
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:57,720
It's also the Lord of Storms and
also all these other characters.

1253
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,640
Even if it's a different reason 
for disliking him, Lionel stood 

1254
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,200
up for him so he gets credit for
that. 

1255
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,880
He doesn't. 
He's not this weak non true 

1256
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,800
knight that won't stand up, but 
still he's like Ashaya said, 

1257
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:12,760
he's still got his flaws and 
they're interesting flaws, 

1258
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,360
especially if they're going the 
direction where it kind of seems

1259
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:16,080
like it. 
Yeah. 

1260
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:17,920
One last thing about Stefan, 
which is that he he made that 

1261
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,280
prediction. 
He said the Targaryens, you 

1262
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,240
know, they came here only the 
fossil ways are thousands years 

1263
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,480
older than I bet will be here 
long after they're gone. 

1264
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:26,920
Pretty much. 
Right. 

1265
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,320
Yeah, yeah, pretty much. 
I mean, the Targaryens aren't 

1266
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,640
quite gone, but it looks like 
they will be at the end of A 

1267
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,640
Song of Ice and Fire. 
But or if not completely, then 

1268
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:39,560
in in effect and the fossa ways 
are doing just fine both 

1269
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:41,600
branches. 
Even if they aren't completely 

1270
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:43,560
gone, neither are the FOSSA 
ways. 

1271
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,240
I wanted to bring up I don't 
think it's been one of the most 

1272
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:51,720
talked about and debated things 
is Raymond and Rowan together. 

1273
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:55,360
A lot of people like why did 
dunk cannot tell him and I I I 

1274
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,360
talked about this before where I
said, you know, he he's not 

1275
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:04,360
going to ruin her play to have 
upward like class mobility one, 

1276
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,400
but two, it's like, what are you
going to take all the wind out 

1277
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,520
of Raymond sales here and this. 
But this is the thing. 

1278
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,800
I think I should tell you guys 
who are really bothered by this.

1279
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:18,040
It's just as possible that that 
Rowan is not pregnant right then

1280
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,640
she's just stopped taking moon 
tea because she probably was 

1281
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,880
taking moon tea with Stefan. 
I mean with with Manfred. 

1282
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,040
So like she probably was taking 
moon tea with Manfred and she 

1283
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,400
just got Raymond and decided to 
baby trap him essentially by 

1284
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,360
stopping the moon tea and she 
just knows she will get pregnant

1285
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,160
shortly. 
If that makes it more palatable 

1286
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:40,120
to you, I would like to offer 
you this alternate theory in 

1287
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:41,760
this trying time. 
You know, a lot of people are 

1288
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,240
very bothered by this. 
Other people have come to 

1289
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:48,320
defense of like, even if it's 
not his birth son, it's or his 

1290
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,840
daughter, it's it's you know, he
will still love the child. 

1291
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:52,840
It's been a very spirited 
debate. 

1292
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,560
I see a lot of arguments on both
sides. 

1293
00:58:55,560 --> 00:59:00,360
I think a lot of people are are 
bothered on behalf of Raymond 

1294
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,680
that he would be tricked like 
this or be raising, you know, 

1295
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,440
someone who's not his kid. 
And I think you have an answer 

1296
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,800
that you could hopefully feel 
better about. 

1297
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,680
There is my take on it. 
That's. 

1298
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:12,960
A pretty good take, yeah. 
Like, why? 

1299
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:14,400
How would? 
She know if she's. 

1300
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:16,760
Pregnant unless she got pregnant
a while back. 

1301
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,080
And why would she be getting 
pregnant if she's a sex worker 

1302
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:22,080
taking moon T, which of course 
she would because she's a sex 

1303
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:23,200
worker. 
Like why would she doesn't want 

1304
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,160
to get pregnant unless it's to 
baby trap somebody? 

1305
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:28,560
So Sean, what do you think? 
Yeah, the fossil ways in 

1306
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:30,360
general, I, I, I loved them 
both. 

1307
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:33,280
Even though Stefan was a little 
more villainous, I still 

1308
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,440
appreciated his his character 
and the performance and his 

1309
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,160
armor. 
And same thing I've I feel with 

1310
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:42,480
with Raymond. 
I think that did a really good 

1311
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,160
job. 
And I think it was another great

1312
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:49,400
example of how they've fleshed 
out something that wasn't quite 

1313
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:53,040
in the book, but they did it 
really well without negatively 

1314
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:54,560
affecting anything else in the 
book. 

1315
00:59:55,040 --> 01:00:00,200
And I'll also say I I I 1. 
You got to be careful when you 

1316
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:04,600
think about how like. 
You think Raymond might be the 

1317
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,600
father to this child that is not
really a son or whatever? 

1318
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:09,400
I I don't know. 
It doesn't mean he's not the 

1319
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,440
father. 
Like tell that to anyone who's 

1320
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,200
adopted a baby. 
You're not really a father like.

1321
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:15,040
Tywin Tyrion thing, Yeah, I 
agree. 

1322
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:16,680
I feel strongly about that one 
too. 

1323
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,160
I agree with that, except again,
people would say those are not 

1324
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,960
people who've been tricked and 
lied to into it. 

1325
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:25,320
So that is the difference why I 
think why many people took great

1326
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,920
umbrage, like a lot of people 
were more turned off and I think

1327
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:35,480
we realized by this decision and
by Dunk not telling Raymond I. 

1328
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:38,480
Think Dunk also just isn't going
to get the whole pregnancy part.

1329
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:40,840
He doesn't know how that works. 
We do We can go sit here and go 

1330
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,520
yeah, she probably wasn't She 
probably is lying now you've 

1331
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:45,160
you've presented that theory. 
The more I think about it the 

1332
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:47,680
more I think it's true because 
yeah, like for what It's just 

1333
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:51,200
enough time has not passed you 
know for that to have like we 

1334
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:52,880
know that enough time isn't 
passed for her to get pregnant 

1335
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:54,640
from him. 
That's clearly true. 

1336
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,680
But they're like, it's not 
enough time for her to have set 

1337
01:00:57,680 --> 01:00:58,200
this up. 
I. 

1338
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,440
Mean the point of that to be 
pregnant, incidentally, with 

1339
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:03,640
Manfred's child from weeks 
before. 

1340
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:07,840
Which would be foolish, I. 
Also want to point out that this

1341
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:12,360
moment we're seeing feels like 
it might be or I think people 

1342
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:14,720
are interpreting it as the next 
day. 

1343
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:18,960
I think it is likely several 
days later. 

1344
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,600
I think it's a week. 
I think it's probably a week or 

1345
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:23,800
so. 
Which might now again, probably 

1346
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,680
not enough time for her to get 
pregnant and know that she's 

1347
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:28,040
pregnant, but it might be 
enough. 

1348
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:31,320
Time for her to get pregnant. 
Let's be clear, definitely not 

1349
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,480
enough time if it's a week. 
If it's a week, definitely not 

1350
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:35,760
enough time. 
Not enough time to get pregnant.

1351
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:37,560
To get pregnant and know it, 
there's not enough time. 

1352
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:38,560
It's enough time to get 
pregnant. 

1353
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:40,280
It's not enough time to know it.
Right. 

1354
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,200
Yeah, She it might be enough 
time for her to have done what 

1355
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:46,720
she knows will get you pregnant.
And that is enough for her to go

1356
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:48,840
ahead and say it, even if she 
isn't yet. 

1357
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:50,600
They're probably not going to 
stop having sex now. 

1358
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:51,600
They're going to keep She's 
gone. 

1359
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:52,840
Exactly. 
Yeah, she does. 

1360
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:55,560
Yeah. 
So she might know, like, hey, 

1361
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:58,760
I've had pregnancy scares 
before, I know I'm fertile. 

1362
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,640
She might have things, but she 
might be wrong and she has to 

1363
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,120
come up with a lie to Raymond 
about how she lost this child. 

1364
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:05,440
And then she never gives them a 
shot. 

1365
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:07,640
You know, like, we don't know. 
She doesn't know. 

1366
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,400
I think she's just making her 
best play, you know, get in the 

1367
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,040
bag, as it were. 
Well, here's the thing. 

1368
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:16,720
We can also extrapolate that 
since this is kind of an insert 

1369
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:20,880
into the timeline, we know this 
house continues and still exists

1370
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:22,880
later and these are the founders
of it. 

1371
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,800
So we kind of have to assume 
that they did have children. 

1372
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,800
Obviously it's possible that 
they didn't and he remarried, 

1373
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:32,040
but I think this is the safer 
assumption that this 

1374
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:34,000
relationship took off and and 
worked out. 

1375
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:40,320
Honestly I'd say that red slash 
lady Rowan might be the third or

1376
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:43,760
fourth most expanded on 
character in in the season. 

1377
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:47,800
Like Lionel might be #1 Raymond 
might be #2 I can't. 

1378
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,520
I've struggled to think who's 
the 3rd character that got the 

1379
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:52,960
most new stuff. 
Like she went from almost 

1380
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,960
nothing to quite a few lines and
in multiple episodes. 

1381
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,720
Did you get? 
Like a little bit of extended, 

1382
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,600
you know, bit and like, I feel 
like he had a little more 

1383
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:04,800
connection with Dunk. 
It kind of fell off. 

1384
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:06,880
I wanted to see him later. 
I was nominated. 

1385
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:08,560
Right. 
To not see him, Yeah. 

1386
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:11,560
He would be nominated, but I 
think he had more, it's a 

1387
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:14,360
smaller percentage increase 
'cause he had more in the book 

1388
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:17,920
in the 1st place, right And so. 
Red went from no line. 

1389
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:21,840
That's infinite. 
Increase almost 3 red went from 

1390
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:25,000
one to 10. 
You know, So instead of doubling

1391
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:26,080
A10X. 
Yeah. 

1392
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:28,160
So, yeah. 
So mathematically it's it. 

1393
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:31,080
That argument works even better.
Although Sir Arlen is another 

1394
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:35,000
one that's just really extremely
more fleshed out in the in the 

1395
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,480
book or in the OR Rafe. 
You could say Rafe. 

1396
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:40,640
I agree Rafe is probably not as 
fleshed out as these other ones,

1397
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:43,800
but compared to the book 
version, Massive increase Yes 

1398
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,360
massive increase. 
Kind of in the same way the red 

1399
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:50,280
is like from almost nothing to 
just a name to a full character 

1400
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:53,920
with lilog and and back story. 
And again, just to repeat, like 

1401
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:56,000
for characters like the 
Targaryens, it wasn't about 

1402
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,200
added stuff. 
It was just about nailing what 

1403
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:00,680
George had already written. 
And I think for the most part, 

1404
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:02,840
we've said over and over that 
they they pretty much did. 

1405
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:07,400
Let's talk about the Targaryens 
though, because they are a bit 

1406
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,960
of a contrast here in terms of 
how they're portrayed in the 

1407
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:14,080
show as a whole, not in terms of
individual performances or 

1408
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:15,800
individual lines or anything 
like that. 

1409
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,480
The big change was how everybody
else looked at them. 

1410
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:20,880
This is way more explicit in the
show. 

1411
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:24,280
The anti Targaryen sentiment was
way bigger of an undercurrent 

1412
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:26,880
than it was in the book. 
Kind of it all other than 

1413
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,640
Raymond. 
Raymond talking about Makar's 

1414
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:31,760
disappointing kids, which isn't 
really an indictment of the 

1415
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:33,480
whole family, it's just Makar's 
kids. 

1416
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:37,480
In this version, Raymond has a 
rant, then he gets part of that 

1417
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:40,200
rant from Stefon, and then you 
get people not showing up for 

1418
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,880
the funeral and you get which, 
as Sean said, maybe that was 

1419
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:45,680
intentional, but it's still 
maybe kind of it it suggests 

1420
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:47,760
that possibility or could be 
part of that. 

1421
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:52,000
And then you have, you know, 
some other things like Aryan 

1422
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:55,720
being a little bit worse or 
other ASP, maybe make ours bad 

1423
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:58,080
parenting being a little more 
explicit, even though they also 

1424
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:00,640
gave him some some positive 
stuff to make him, you know, 

1425
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:04,440
like a more conflicted human 
being rather than being more of 

1426
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:08,920
a, a cold, distant kind of 
figure, which he's more like 

1427
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:11,440
Stannis in the books. 
So I I thought that was very 

1428
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:13,920
interesting that they they and I
appreciate that the anti 

1429
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:17,760
Targaryen sentiment is important
for the plot going forward. 

1430
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:20,440
It wasn't hugely important for 
this season, but it's going to 

1431
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:22,880
be more important. 
And that's part of why they made

1432
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,880
sure to it to boost it at the 
end with with the blatancy of 

1433
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:29,880
Lionel saying what he said as a 
contrast to the kind of 

1434
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:31,680
undercurrent that's been there 
all season long. 

1435
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:35,000
I guess it's not so not so 
subtle when when Raymond goes on

1436
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:36,440
his rant. 
But other than that, it's it's 

1437
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:38,880
generally handled kind of lower 
key. 

1438
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:43,000
You all have any takes on that 
aspect of it or on anything else

1439
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:44,560
to do with the Targaryens this 
season. 

1440
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:48,240
I guess I have A1A counterpoint 
of sorts. 

1441
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:54,560
Is it certainly the book that 
the show presented us more anti 

1442
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:56,240
Targaryen sentiment than the 
book did? 

1443
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,320
Because the book presented maybe
none. 

1444
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:00,600
I, I, I don't remember that 
being part of the book at all. 

1445
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,000
I haven't read it multiple 
times, including recently. 

1446
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:06,000
Maybe there was some 
undercurrent and pick up on or 

1447
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,040
something. 
Since it was so prevalent in 

1448
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:09,960
your show, it makes me wonder if
I'd missed something in the 

1449
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:13,680
book. 
But I do want to include in that

1450
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:18,160
that it's easy to misconstrue 
that because it could be that, 

1451
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:23,160
you know, let's just say 10% of 
the populace is has this anti 

1452
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:26,840
Targaryen sentiment. 
But we see it from two or three 

1453
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:30,400
prominent figures and we might 
interpret that as they go, no 

1454
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,240
one likes the Targaryens. 
Well, that might not be true. 

1455
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:36,040
You know, again, I'm not saying 
it is 10%, but I'm suspicious if

1456
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:37,640
it's 90%. 
I think it might be a little 

1457
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:39,360
more like 5050 or something like
that. 

1458
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:43,280
I want to shout out a interview 
with Bertie Carvel, who played 

1459
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:48,720
Baylor by Marco Spagnoli. 
It's a, he's a, you know, not a 

1460
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:51,400
big YouTube channel, but he got 
a lot of views on this 

1461
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:53,960
interview. 
He's really well done, so give 

1462
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:56,440
him some love. 
The comments section on this, on

1463
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,080
this interview was amazing. 
There's people saying, oh, they 

1464
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:04,000
cast Baylor as Baylor or this 
guy needs to narrate an audio 

1465
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,960
book ASAP. 
You know, it's just like, so you

1466
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:10,240
rarely will see a comment 
section on YouTube just 

1467
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:13,400
overwhelmingly positive like 
this with like nothing negative 

1468
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:14,600
at all. 
You know, like, come on, it's a 

1469
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:16,600
YouTube comment section. 
Like, no, no, it's actually 

1470
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:19,800
really overwhelmingly positive. 
A couple of quotes that he made 

1471
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:22,840
in that, I don't want to spoil 
it for y'all, but like one line 

1472
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,880
that he said that really stood 
out to me is he said actors fear

1473
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:28,280
that we'll see through them or 
or actors fear that the viewers 

1474
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:30,440
will see through them. 
And he says, which is a silly 

1475
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:32,760
thing to think because everybody
knows you're an actor. 

1476
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:35,080
It's like you don't think you're
a real person. 

1477
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:38,840
This isn't actual footage. 
This isn't, you know, Highlander

1478
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:41,760
isn't a documentary and the 
events happened in real time 

1479
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:43,680
kind of situation. 
And he also seemed to really 

1480
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:46,960
understand Baylor in a very deep
way, like the the his dilemma, 

1481
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:49,680
the dilemma that Baylor faces. 
It's his family versus doing the

1482
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:51,560
right thing. 
It's this character with no 

1483
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:54,480
power versus him who has a lot 
of power and has the the weight 

1484
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:57,760
of decision falls to him. 
The intersection of Baylor and 

1485
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:02,320
Dunk's influences how Dunk, this
kind of nobody influences the 

1486
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:04,400
most powerful person there, the 
second most powerful person in 

1487
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:09,120
the entire realm. 
That is a great way to show the 

1488
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:12,080
power of the common people or 
how, you know, power can flow 

1489
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:15,080
the other direction sometimes 
when the circumstances are just 

1490
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:18,000
they the way they are. 
So, yeah, I didn't say it as as 

1491
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:20,279
as well as as Bertie Carville 
did, but yeah. 

1492
01:08:20,279 --> 01:08:21,800
So I recommend that that 
interview. 

1493
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:28,080
So with friends and listeners 
and fellow W Orians, we are here

1494
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:30,319
at the end of a season. 
Of course, this is a good time 

1495
01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:33,200
for you all to join us on 
Patreon because we're about to 

1496
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:36,200
do our topics mood. 
We're about to take some of the 

1497
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:38,680
topics that we discussed here in
Duncan Egg and make them into 

1498
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:41,439
full episodes as well as things 
that don't have a whole lot to 

1499
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:43,120
do with Duncan Egg. 
Just a Song of Ice and Fire 

1500
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:46,240
topics or history topics or 
theory videos, whatever, 

1501
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:49,600
whatever we happen to be putting
up there and whatever you guys 

1502
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:51,399
choose and whatever you vote on 
successfully. 

1503
01:08:51,399 --> 01:08:53,240
So good time to join and 
participate. 

1504
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:56,279
It'll be running this month in 
March into next month, and then 

1505
01:08:56,279 --> 01:08:57,920
we'll be making those episodes 
the rest of the year. 

1506
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:02,000
You can go to our website to 
sign up for that or to support 

1507
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,560
the show in a number of 
different ways, like shopping 

1508
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:07,240
through our Amazon links. 
A good suggestion I have is the 

1509
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:09,399
graphic novel for the Hedge 
Night. 

1510
01:09:09,399 --> 01:09:12,840
Really great art provides yet 
another way of looking at the 

1511
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:15,359
story that's a little somewhere.
Kind of falls. 

1512
01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:18,640
Between the written word and the
TV show, because you have 

1513
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:22,920
images, but you know, as you get
expressions and and visuals, but

1514
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:26,359
you know, of course they're not 
moving and there's no sound I 

1515
01:09:26,359 --> 01:09:28,279
don't have. 
To explain how that works really

1516
01:09:28,279 --> 01:09:30,200
and stuff like that. 
You don't get it, but. 

1517
01:09:30,279 --> 01:09:32,279
Yeah, exactly. 
So there it's but it is kind of,

1518
01:09:32,279 --> 01:09:34,640
I think saying it's falls in 
between is a reasonable way of 

1519
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:36,520
putting it. 
Also, the audio book is 

1520
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,439
extremely good. 
It's read by Harry Lloyd, who is

1521
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:43,359
Viserys in A Game of Thrones. 
He's a really fantastic 

1522
01:09:43,359 --> 01:09:45,840
narrator, surprisingly good 
with, well, maybe not 

1523
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:48,200
surprisingly, but he does a lot 
of voices really well. 

1524
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:52,279
It isn't just his, you know, 
soothing British accent. 

1525
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,640
Can I say that when I first 
listened, I was suspicious 

1526
01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:00,560
because I didn't like the saris?
But to me, Harry Lloyd isn't the

1527
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:02,600
saris anymore. 
He's the voice of Duncan Egg. 

1528
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:05,520
He's nice, incredible. 
Like I've I've said it many 

1529
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:08,880
times, it's among my favorite 
pieces of media of any kind. 

1530
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:11,560
Book, album, show, whatever. 
It's Yeah. 

1531
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:16,080
Yeah, I would say Duncan Egg is 
is is special in one way to me 

1532
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:20,440
in that, yeah, it has an the 
amazing audio book narration, 

1533
01:10:20,440 --> 01:10:23,360
which is, you know, in common, I
suppose to get like an actor 

1534
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:27,520
from the show doing a other, you
know, book related to it. 

1535
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,840
I mean, Ian Glenn has done it as
well for the Rogue Prince, 

1536
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:32,200
Princess and the Queen stuff, 
right. 

1537
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:35,160
But the other thing is that, 
yeah, it has the graphic novel 

1538
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:37,400
by Mike Miller, which has some 
really cool art. 

1539
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,640
My personal favorite is that the
Another 7 Kingdoms books are 

1540
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:45,080
illustrated by Gary Gianni, who 
is just like a master is craft 

1541
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:47,640
and so talented. 
He's done other art for the 

1542
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:50,480
series, including the calendars 
and yeah, so like, you can't go 

1543
01:10:50,480 --> 01:10:54,400
wrong, you know what I mean? 
Like you get like a real 

1544
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:59,280
immersive experience, no matter 
what medium, whether it's it's 

1545
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:03,480
the the regular old textbook, 
you get art throughout it. 

1546
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,200
You read the graphic novel, you 
get even more art. 

1547
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:08,640
You listen to the audio book, 
you get to listen to Harry Lloyd

1548
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:10,360
do these voices. 
Pretty cool. 

1549
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:13,640
Can I give it a little shout out
to Jordan Rannells, a friend of 

1550
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:18,000
the podcast who made music to 
accompany the Duncan Egg 

1551
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:19,560
audiobook? 
He also did the same thing for 

1552
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:20,840
Lord of the. 
Rings that's right. 

1553
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:22,800
Good. 
A good shout out there Sean. 

1554
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:26,120
I appreciate Jordan's work and 
of course I want to give another

1555
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:27,840
shout out to Ashaya's tour 
shirts. 

1556
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:32,920
She has done actually 22 right. 
You did one for Hedge F1 for 

1557
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:36,520
House of the Dragon and one for 
a night of seven kingdoms. the 

1558
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:39,240
United 7 Kingdoms tour shirt has
all the different spots that we 

1559
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:40,720
know of the Duncan egg will 
visit. 

1560
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:43,160
So this is a great time to get 
in get the journey is just 

1561
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:45,320
beginning. 
Season 1 was such a success. 

1562
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:48,920
A good time to get your shirt 
and have that memorabilia for 

1563
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:50,680
the long run. 
Yeah, you can get the shirts at 

1564
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:53,160
our Threadless store, but you 
can also go to 

1565
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:58,800
historyofwesteros.com/merch Dash
hub to see those shirts and a 

1566
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:02,320
whole bunch of other things that
we've picked out that are cool 

1567
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:04,960
related to the fandom. 
Some we get affiliate kickbacks 

1568
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:06,960
for, some we don't. 
I just think they're cool. 

1569
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:09,800
Yeah, that's right. 
We don't we we a lot of those 

1570
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:13,000
links aren't don't make us 
money, we just. 

1571
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:15,000
Like nothing. 
I just want to share them with 

1572
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,720
you guys just to be clear, but 
it has our our tour shirts 

1573
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:20,760
embedded there as well. 
A couple questions, more than a 

1574
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:23,040
couple questions from you all we
got a nice question section here

1575
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:26,560
let's tackle that. 
Connor McDonald says Renly. 

1576
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:29,160
There's a bit of Renly to 
Brienne versus Lionel Dunk 

1577
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:31,960
parallels. 
You got some different approach 

1578
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:34,440
to a person that everyone else 
is treating differently, like 

1579
01:12:34,440 --> 01:12:37,760
Brienne is treated differently 
by Renly than just about anybody

1580
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:39,480
else. 
No, nobody treats Brienne the 

1581
01:12:39,480 --> 01:12:42,560
way Renly did for no, almost 
nobody respected her. 

1582
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:46,320
That's baby, putting it mildly. 
A lot of people mocked her like 

1583
01:12:46,480 --> 01:12:49,840
to her face behind her back, 
both they did these games, you 

1584
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:52,840
know, these cruel games to her. 
Renly was not a part of any of 

1585
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:54,280
that. 
He was friendly towards her. 

1586
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:56,960
He was respectful. 
This is kind of a parallel here.

1587
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:59,440
I think that's a good catch 
because Lionel saw something in 

1588
01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:02,560
Dunk that pretty much no other 
noble did, even though he has 

1589
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:06,000
maybe his own angle to it. 
Renly probably did too. 

1590
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:08,120
We just don't get the it's just 
not as explicit. 

1591
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:09,880
We don't ever find out what that
was. 

1592
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:11,800
But like, he wants Tarth on his 
side. 

1593
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:13,480
Maybe it's just just pure 
pragmatism. 

1594
01:13:13,480 --> 01:13:15,120
He's like, yeah, of course, like
she can fight. 

1595
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:16,440
Like, why wouldn't I want her on
my side? 

1596
01:13:16,440 --> 01:13:19,160
You guys are weird for making 
fun of her because she's she's 

1597
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:21,400
she could clearly fight and she 
wants to defend like what's 

1598
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:23,560
wrong with that? 
Y'all let's you know we get 

1599
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:25,560
Tarth too Like what? 
Let's do this. 

1600
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:27,920
So yeah, we. 
Have a different perspective on 

1601
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:30,960
masculinity too, you know, the 
kind of machoism and. 

1602
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:36,480
Renly himself, not the standard 
masculine orientation there, but

1603
01:13:36,480 --> 01:13:37,360
that's that's pretty cool. 
Yeah. 

1604
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:39,920
Basic respect and merit and and 
caring more about who they are 

1605
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:42,320
than than their station. 
Of course that means more to for

1606
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:45,000
Dunk because he's actually low 
born, whereas Brienne is is high

1607
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:48,440
born despite how she's treated. 
Kind of a common theory that 

1608
01:13:48,440 --> 01:13:51,080
gets thrown around in the 
Phantom is could Dunk be cold 

1609
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:53,600
hands? 
I don't see how that could be 

1610
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:56,440
possible just based on sheer 
physicality. 

1611
01:13:56,680 --> 01:14:00,080
Dunk in the book is 6 foot 11. 
There is nothing about cold 

1612
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:01,400
hands that suggests he's really 
tall. 

1613
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:03,880
He is described as gaunt and 
thin. 

1614
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:07,520
There's nothing that says he's 
tall, and he would be very tall 

1615
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:09,080
if he was Dunk. 
Like that's 6 foot 11. 

1616
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:10,680
This isn't Peter Claffy 6 foot 
5. 

1617
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:13,960
This is book Dunk 611. 
So yeah, I just don't see it too

1618
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:14,560
tall. 
I. 

1619
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:15,800
Agree. 
Too tall? 

1620
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:16,680
Dunk. 
Too tall. 

1621
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:20,600
I I do agree, but I will offer a
counterpoint. 

1622
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:24,040
That may have shrunk in his 
zombieism or whatever he might 

1623
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:27,080
have lost, and I think he's 
usually on a horse and he's 

1624
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:29,600
disguised. 
The law on an elk, which is, you

1625
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:32,520
know, largest, But yeah. 
Yeah, it's. 

1626
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:35,560
Not he's not said he's not tall,
but I I mean, he'd have to 

1627
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:38,640
shrink a lot to not to be tall. 
Be worth mentioning. 

1628
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:40,760
You know, yeah, I don't, 
especially considering. 

1629
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:43,520
It's related like Hodors, that 
you might think he'd be like a 

1630
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:46,640
man almost as tall as Hodor. 
You might say something about 

1631
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:47,920
that, right? 
You would catch on to that? 

1632
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:49,960
I think so. 
So I'm down on that one. 

1633
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:53,480
But I do think that we should 
all acknowledge Sir Duck Duck is

1634
01:14:53,480 --> 01:14:56,880
the parallel Young Griff's first
Kingsguard. 

1635
01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:01,000
He's the parallel. 
Young Griff even wears a straw 

1636
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:03,160
hat and his eyes are similar 
described. 

1637
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:05,280
Similarly as so blue. 
Just be clear. 

1638
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:07,600
What's that duck? 
Is Duck Raleigh Duck field just 

1639
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:09,280
for Raleigh duck? 
Field exactly yes. 

1640
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:10,960
Maybe hard, maybe hard to 
search. 

1641
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:12,400
Sound similar? 
Yes. 

1642
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:14,840
One letter off. 
Yeah, Sir. 

1643
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:15,440
Dunk, Sir. 
Duck. 

1644
01:15:15,440 --> 01:15:17,160
Can't miss that once you hear 
it. 

1645
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:20,400
And not only similar in sound, 
but in. 

1646
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:24,320
I don't know how to say this. 
Lack of dignity or whatever. 

1647
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:26,040
You know what I mean? 
Not, not. 

1648
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:29,320
It doesn't sound like some great
warrior duck. 

1649
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:29,960
What? 
Who? 

1650
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:33,640
Yeah, neither. 
Duck nor duck sound like a Great

1651
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:34,520
War. 
It's true. 

1652
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:41,800
So a couple of comments on Sir 
Arlen here, specifically his his

1653
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:45,520
send off Jim Martin off one of 
our patrons pointed out that 

1654
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:48,080
it's a parallel to the Fast and 
the Furious because in that, but

1655
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:52,320
Paul Walker died in real life 
and he's one of the main actors 

1656
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:56,240
in that movie franchise, which 
is up to like what 11 films now?

1657
01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:58,800
Jeez. 
So he died in real life in a car

1658
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:02,800
accident pretty tragically. 
And they showed this at the end 

1659
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:05,160
of one of the movies. 
I'm not a Fast and Furious guy. 

1660
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:08,720
I don't know which one it was, 
but it was above shot where 

1661
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:11,640
they're driving down the highway
and then the Paul Walker car 

1662
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:14,320
veers off to the left just like 
this. 

1663
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:16,920
But it's not a reference to Fast
and the Furious. 

1664
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:21,920
Both of these are a reference to
what's called the Missing Man 

1665
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:26,360
Memorial. 
It is AUS military procession or

1666
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:30,680
tradition that as far as we 
know, it began in World War One.

1667
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:32,800
It's a fly over thing. 
That's why it's not. 

1668
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:35,080
You might guess, you might have 
guessed it was from something 

1669
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:37,520
much older from other military 
'cause U.S. military, you know, 

1670
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:39,440
historically speaking isn't 
particularly old. 

1671
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:44,040
But it it's a plains thing, 
which those aren't, those 

1672
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:46,000
haven't been around that long, 
as, you know, historically 

1673
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:49,200
speaking, as a military thing. 
So yeah, the idea is that you 

1674
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:51,920
fly a formation with one, 
clearly a missing 1. 

1675
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:55,520
You have like 3 or 4 planes and 
you've got a clear gap, which is

1676
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:57,760
meant to represent the missing 
person, the person that just 

1677
01:16:57,760 --> 01:16:59,560
died, the person you're giving a
send off to. 

1678
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:02,960
In addition to that, there were 
older versions of it where you 

1679
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:04,920
would have a riderless horse in 
a procession. 

1680
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:07,360
Like Abraham Lincoln was given a
riderless horse procession. 

1681
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:09,680
You even turn the saddle around 
for that. 

1682
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:12,440
So these are various types of 
memorials that happen in the 

1683
01:17:12,440 --> 01:17:15,440
real world, but I think the fly 
over 1, the military, the 

1684
01:17:15,440 --> 01:17:18,920
missing man memorial is, is 
pretty clearly the the closest 

1685
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:23,200
one, if not the exact intent. 
Now, Kimber Lafay, another 

1686
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:26,720
listener who wrote in, wants to 
know if maybe there's also a 

1687
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:28,320
little bit of a Dithraki thing 
going on there. 

1688
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:31,400
He rode off into a field which 
is a little Dithraki sea ish. 

1689
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:33,360
The great grass. 
Sea, the great grass, sea Ish, 

1690
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:34,120
right? 
Very. 

1691
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:36,000
You could see that and he was 
singing that Dithraki. 

1692
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:37,880
Obviously that would mean 
nothing without the Dithraki 

1693
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:41,520
dirge, but he's saying a 
Dithraki dirge, so there's 

1694
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:42,880
definitely some connection to 
him. 

1695
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:46,280
Mammy just did some, did some 
cell sorting, some hedge 

1696
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:48,320
knighting out in Essos because 
certainly. 

1697
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:49,760
Would have been like the Thraki 
too. 

1698
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:52,200
He's always felt a certain 
kinship to them. 

1699
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:53,680
For that. 
I'm joking. 

1700
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:55,640
No, no, really. 
Yeah, really. 

1701
01:17:56,480 --> 01:17:58,240
He has a horse. 
He has a penis like a horse. 

1702
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:01,960
So he's no. 
I think it is another, I don't 

1703
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:05,040
know, piece of his character 
that was kind of brought forth 

1704
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:08,280
is, you know, sleeping under the
stars. 

1705
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:12,360
He doesn't want to be in a 
castle and not fire for that 

1706
01:18:12,440 --> 01:18:13,640
either. 
And the dog trackers. 

1707
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:15,200
Yeah, that's a really good 
point. 

1708
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:16,360
That's I miss that part. 
You're right. 

1709
01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:17,680
That is a very death racky 
thing. 

1710
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:20,000
Yeah. 
And also just the emphasis on 

1711
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:21,640
your, you know, the difference 
between one of the biggest 

1712
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:24,760
differences between a hedge 
knight and some other regular 

1713
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:27,400
commoners having a horse. 
You got to have a horse that 

1714
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:30,480
that's the ones you're one step 
up if you have a horse, even if 

1715
01:18:30,480 --> 01:18:32,360
you're not actually a knight. 
So the whole plumber thing 

1716
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:35,320
coming back to plumber briefly, 
we predicted that maybe because 

1717
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:36,800
we didn't, we couldn't see where
that was going. 

1718
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:38,840
The whole setup for cheating in 
the tournament, we couldn't see 

1719
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:40,920
where that was going because 
it's not in the book, but it is 

1720
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:42,280
in a later book with the mystery
knight. 

1721
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:45,360
We figured maybe that was just 
setting that up this concept to 

1722
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:46,680
do could go farther with it 
later. 

1723
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:49,280
And it does appear that's what 
it was because it didn't have 

1724
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:50,720
any follow up. 
There was a plumber didn't 

1725
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:52,840
appear again even in the 
background. 

1726
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:54,920
So it's my. 
I don't have another take on 

1727
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:57,680
that. 
And I say I would rather use 

1728
01:18:57,680 --> 01:18:59,880
rather than cheating. 
I'd rather say chicanery. 

1729
01:19:00,440 --> 01:19:02,360
Both chicanery. 
Is a good word for it, yes. 

1730
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:05,920
Yeah, it's not quite cheating, 
you know what I mean. 

1731
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:09,880
It would say at least, I don't 
know, you might have to define 

1732
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:11,280
cheating, but it's definitely 
chicanery. 

1733
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:12,680
It's not. 
And also I just want to make my 

1734
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:13,640
better call. 
Sole reference. 

1735
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:16,080
Yeah, it's not cheating in the 
tournament so much as it's 

1736
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:19,800
cheating the bookies, right? 
Yeah, you're not actually. 

1737
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:21,760
I guess that would be maybe a 
more accurate way of putting it.

1738
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:25,640
And everybody is going to care 
less about cheating bookies than

1739
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:28,480
just about anybody else. 
I I remember. 

1740
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:33,120
When it happened, being very 
suspicious, they're like, oh, I 

1741
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:34,440
don't know where they're going 
with this. 

1742
01:19:34,440 --> 01:19:37,480
This is a, a hint of something 
that happened in the third book 

1743
01:19:37,480 --> 01:19:40,160
and they seem to be sticking to 
the books pretty well. 

1744
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:44,920
And I, I, I was concerned, I 
would say, but I, I settled 

1745
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:48,320
myself by deciding, you know, 
this is probably a red herring. 

1746
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:51,680
You know, it's, it's a, they're 
leading us to wonder what's 

1747
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:53,680
going to happen in a tournament.
There's not going to be a 

1748
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:55,480
tournament. 
And we kind of know that free to

1749
01:19:55,480 --> 01:19:57,360
books, but most audiences aren't
going to know that. 

1750
01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:00,200
And I think that was a good way.
And it also does set up 

1751
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:02,040
something that will happen in 
future. 

1752
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:05,560
So a combination of red herring 
and foreshadowing. 

1753
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:07,720
It's kind of funny to think 
about about about that, by the 

1754
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:08,760
way. 
It's like if the stakes hadn't 

1755
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:11,480
gotten massively raised for 
Dunk, he would have just ended 

1756
01:20:11,480 --> 01:20:13,360
the tournament and lost, and 
that would have been it. 

1757
01:20:13,440 --> 01:20:15,160
He's like, Oh well, I, I lost 
everything. 

1758
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:18,160
I have nothing. 
Or one he he was. 

1759
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:21,200
He was like, he look how he's 
look how badly he lost to Aryan 

1760
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:23,120
in the first tilt. 
Like he just, he, he has no 

1761
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:24,600
experience. 
Like he wasn't going to beat all

1762
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:26,000
these people. 
It's like Lionel said, no, you 

1763
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:28,160
have no chance. 
You have no experience with 

1764
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:30,560
this? 
I think he beats the first guy 

1765
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:34,160
because he throws it and then 
loses the second one but breaks 

1766
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:38,200
even as far as you know because.
Of the chicanery would never. 

1767
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:40,360
Carry, right? 
Yeah, he probably does just lose

1768
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:43,440
in the first round, lose his 
horse and can't buy it back and.

1769
01:20:43,480 --> 01:20:45,000
And might be badly wounded on 
top of it. 

1770
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:47,360
Maybe not because it's attorney 
Lances, but he might be hurt. 

1771
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:50,040
Still, you fall off your horse 
and break your leg or something.

1772
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:51,160
Yeah, you're right. 
That could happen. 

1773
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:53,840
It's dangerous. 
Dangerous business, yeah, it's 

1774
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:55,800
not like you die or you're 
perfect There's. 

1775
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:56,640
A lot of people. 
Doing. 

1776
01:20:57,040 --> 01:21:00,000
There is no middle ground when 
you play the game of jousts, you

1777
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:03,080
know. 
OK Upper chat from Hey Dom 

1778
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:05,400
Tartaglia. 
Shout out to the Folk Wives 

1779
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:07,120
podcast. 
Check that out on Twitch. 

1780
01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:09,320
Season will wrap up. 
Question for Sean. 

1781
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:13,200
Is there anyone on the show who 
is attractive as Fabian Frankel?

1782
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:14,640
Is it a Fabian? 
I said Fabian. 

1783
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:16,640
Fabian Frankel as Christian 
Cole. 

1784
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:19,760
Well, no. 
Next question? 

1785
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:22,480
Too easy? 
What else? 

1786
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:23,320
Who? 
Who's? 

1787
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:25,120
The best in the night of the 
Who's the closest? 

1788
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:27,880
Who's the closest the most? 
Who catches your eye? 

1789
01:21:29,480 --> 01:21:31,600
OK, good answer. 
Dunk the hunk. 

1790
01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:37,000
David Fox 4548 says favorite 
moment was Stefan's first 

1791
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:38,760
appearance where Dunk is asked 
about his sword. 

1792
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:41,600
He says it's mind by rights and 
Stefan says that's an odd thing 

1793
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:43,640
to say. 
That was hilarious. 

1794
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:45,640
That might be. 
The shout out that's one of that

1795
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:47,640
was one of the funnier lines 
that wasn't in the novella. 

1796
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:51,280
And it was one of the first 
comedic lines in the in the book

1797
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:53,080
too, or in the in the in the 
show too. 

1798
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:55,360
That wasn't there too. 
Like, because the first comedic 

1799
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:59,760
lines in the show are straight 
from the novel in terms of like 

1800
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:02,560
eggs comments, like your boat 
rope is made of your belt's made

1801
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:04,280
of rope. 
And you know, I you know, you 

1802
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:06,120
look like you need a Squire more
than most. 

1803
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:09,800
But the first, I think this is 
the first added comedic line of 

1804
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:11,520
all of them. 
And it's you're right to shout 

1805
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:12,680
that out. 
David Fox and a Shaya. 

1806
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:14,640
It's such a funny line. 
I I I definitely highlighted 

1807
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:16,040
that one at the time. 
I thought it was so funny. 

1808
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:21,120
E Tazin game says I also took 
Egg looking so adorningly like 

1809
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:23,840
to dunk during the mimicking 
scene as him being so happy to 

1810
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:26,960
have someone make fun of him to 
his face in a fun way rather 

1811
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:29,520
than like. 
I suppose what you're getting 

1812
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:32,120
out here is Aryan would mock him
and mean it. 

1813
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:35,400
Or no one would say anything 
about him, which it's unusual 

1814
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:38,320
for a Prince to have anyone mock
him at all, except for a yeah, 

1815
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:40,360
you're right, his older brother 
who's cruel. 

1816
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:42,360
He likes it, yeah. 
He likes being, he kind of likes

1817
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:44,920
being normal in that sense. 
He, he, he wants to be more 

1818
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:45,880
normal that way. 
That's great. 

1819
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:47,160
That's a good, that's a very 
good take. 

1820
01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:48,920
I really appreciate that. 
Yeah, 'cause sometimes the the 

1821
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:52,160
class angles to some of the 
stuff we miss because we're more

1822
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:54,880
tuned in maybe and most of us 
are more keyed into dunks angle 

1823
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:56,320
here. 
Not only because he's the POV, 

1824
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:59,440
but because we understand we're 
all a little bit closer to that,

1825
01:22:59,440 --> 01:23:01,440
most of us are than to royalty, 
I think. 

1826
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:07,240
But dude Egg does look at him 
like so lovingly and happy. 

1827
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:09,760
It's like it's he just like 
looks so happy in that moment. 

1828
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:12,320
I just the way I did not say 
moment dunk or like a minute 

1829
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:14,720
before that when dunks when eggs
makes that point about oh, 

1830
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:16,600
you've already married the most 
beautiful daughter, right, Sir? 

1831
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:19,400
The way Peter clap, he looks 
down and smiles. 

1832
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:22,440
It's like, it's the look that a 
parent gets when they're 

1833
01:23:22,440 --> 01:23:26,200
extremely proud of their kid. 
You know, like, Oh, my kid just 

1834
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:29,480
said something that I've just, 
I'm so happy that those words 

1835
01:23:29,480 --> 01:23:30,920
left their mouth. 
Kind of a kid. 

1836
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:33,000
Say the darndest things moment 
too, in a little. 

1837
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:35,160
Bit of a way, but the like, 
happy, like the best. 

1838
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:36,720
Yeah. 
Like boy, this kid is just pure 

1839
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:39,880
of heart, isn't he? 
You know that I want to add a 

1840
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:43,120
little to this too, because I, 
I, I am thinking about it now 

1841
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:48,160
that a, you got to be paying 
attention to egg to have that 

1842
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:50,120
kind of banter. 
You have to kind of made some 

1843
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:54,760
observations about him and care 
to point it out And, and, and B,

1844
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:58,160
which again, probably in the 
past, anyone that ever did that,

1845
01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:01,400
it was in a negative way and, or
mean cruel way. 

1846
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:03,640
And that's. 
Why we love the the breaking the

1847
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:05,760
breakdown of Three Fingered 
Alice so much? 

1848
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:08,400
Because Dunk didn't actually 
have a whole lot to add to that 

1849
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:12,480
conversation, but he was willing
to go through it for Egg, who's 

1850
01:24:12,480 --> 01:24:14,560
like Egg's brothers would have 
been like, I don't care. 

1851
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:16,160
Like who gives a crap? 
Like shut up. 

1852
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:18,960
You know he they would be not 
interested in the topic at all 

1853
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:20,800
and they would probably have 
shut him down or care. 

1854
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:23,960
Might have entertained it and 
that might be one of the people 

1855
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:27,160
that Egg has managed to have any
kind of person who brings that 

1856
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:28,600
out in him. 
Deron. 

1857
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:31,000
I think Deron might have a. 
Little bit and Eamon would have 

1858
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:32,320
before he was out of picture 
but. 

1859
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:33,480
He would. 
Have, yeah. 

1860
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:38,720
But but my quick follow up thing
is that Don't is OK with Egg 

1861
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:40,760
doing it back. 
Yes, that makes sense. 

1862
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:43,960
Like, you know, if Aryan 
belittled Egg in some way and 

1863
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:47,080
Egg came back at Aryan, Aryan 
would probably literally 

1864
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:50,560
physically assault him, right? 
But Egg was able to dunk, was 

1865
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:53,400
willing and able to play along 
and go back and forth. 

1866
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:55,200
He can dish it out and he can 
take it or whatever. 

1867
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:57,280
You know, yeah, at times Dunk is
fatherly. 

1868
01:24:57,280 --> 01:25:00,160
At times he's older brotherly. 
And it's it's it's fun to see 

1869
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:02,680
like how that plays out in 
different circumstances. 

1870
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:05,720
Taz and games again says thank 
you for a wonderful season of 

1871
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:07,240
live team breakdowns. 
Well, I appreciate that. 

1872
01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:08,960
We hope you all have enjoyed our
our run through. 

1873
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:11,040
And of course we've got plenty 
more to come. 

1874
01:25:11,480 --> 01:25:14,960
Content wise. 
Stannis Baratheon 3356 says take

1875
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:17,720
me to account every war since 
the conquest was the we're the 

1876
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:19,680
Targaryens and net positive to 
Westeros. 

1877
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:24,160
Less smaller wars, but when the 
wars did happen, they were much 

1878
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:26,880
bigger. 
That is an interesting topic 

1879
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:29,840
that spans lots of real world 
scenarios as well. 

1880
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:30,720
Yeah. 
What is better? 

1881
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:32,680
Like, what's more moral? 
Would you rather have a lot of 

1882
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:37,680
small wars or just everyone far 
rarer wars that span the entire 

1883
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:40,720
continent? 
It it's a really tough question 

1884
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:45,520
to answer with confidence 
because without like having more

1885
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:47,720
day, like how many people die, 
how many people suffer? 

1886
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:50,520
Like if you could if you could 
make those count those numbers, 

1887
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:51,960
it might be easier to reduce it 
to that. 

1888
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,440
And, and they have the, the 
monkey wrench here of that 

1889
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:58,560
there's Hungarians ultimate if, 
if the goal is for them to 

1890
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:03,680
defend against the ultimate war,
then, well, you know, it, it, it

1891
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:05,560
just becomes way more 
complicated than we could 

1892
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:08,920
compare to in our real world, 
right? 

1893
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:11,560
It's there's nothing really 
quite like that. 

1894
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:13,800
I guess maybe if someone was 
going to take control of the 

1895
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:17,800
Earth to stop climate change. 
Yeah, it's always. 

1896
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:22,560
Just like I'm going to rule with
an iron fist, but this problem 

1897
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:24,320
is not going to happen. 
I I don't know, right? 

1898
01:26:24,440 --> 01:26:26,040
Yeah, that's tough. 
It's hard to compare. 

1899
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:29,360
There there is another variable 
to consider here, by the way, 

1900
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:33,200
because there's in the spans of 
time when there's not war under 

1901
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:37,040
the Targaryens, there's also 
this other added value of 

1902
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:41,520
stability and infrastructure in 
general, like the Kings Rd. that

1903
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:45,160
just everyone's lives become 
better when not only is there 

1904
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:49,160
not war, but there's more 
communication and trade and, you

1905
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:52,760
know, intermixing of cultures 
and intermarriages of family. 

1906
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:57,280
All these other things have an 
additional cohesive stabilizing 

1907
01:26:57,280 --> 01:27:01,640
effect that gives extra value 
beyond just not war so. 

1908
01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:05,320
Well said, Greer Gladney 4553 
says I don't like what the 

1909
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:08,560
ending applies about Egg. 
I I assume you mean that the 

1910
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:11,840
dishonesty, the deception, maybe
there's more implied for later 

1911
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:14,080
and maybe that's just a a mark 
against him. 

1912
01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:17,040
I'll say we watched with a lot 
of casuals and a lot of people 

1913
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:18,480
were like, of course he did 
that. 

1914
01:27:18,480 --> 01:27:21,360
You know, like that little 
Rascal I got my mom and stepdad.

1915
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:23,400
Like of course, of course he 
lied about it. 

1916
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:26,680
That's just like him so. 
I don't remember how old he is, 

1917
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:28,640
you know, like this isn't 
necessarily who he's going to be

1918
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:29,440
as an adult. 
I think. 

1919
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:32,000
I mean, there are dark hints as 
to what he might become as an 

1920
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:33,920
adult, but I'm not sure that 
they're leaning into him 

1921
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:37,240
becoming some big deceiver. 
But I mean, but it's still like 

1922
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:39,880
a change from the book that I 
can understand someone not 

1923
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:43,440
liking because, well, I like the
original ending for other 

1924
01:27:43,440 --> 01:27:45,760
reasons, but this is this ties 
into it certainly. 

1925
01:27:46,480 --> 01:27:50,320
Also I got to say, think of the 
reasons that educated grown 

1926
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:55,760
adults lie for, like to just 
earn more money or have sex or 

1927
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:58,280
something like that. 
Eggs are lying so that he can 

1928
01:27:58,280 --> 01:27:59,920
get away from his abusive 
brother. 

1929
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:01,960
You know what I mean? 
He's a good reason, right? 

1930
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:05,160
Yeah, that's a good reason. 
Koi Benazzi. 

1931
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:07,720
Assuming he's even lying, I 
guess you did say it's Impala. 

1932
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:10,800
OK, that's a good point. 
Yeah, I know that egg just 

1933
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:13,400
wasn't going along with some 
detailed planmaker head. 

1934
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:14,840
Not that he's straight up lying.
So. 

1935
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:17,920
Koi Benazzi 1644 shout out Koi. 
How's it going, my man? 

1936
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:19,920
He says. 
Wish we got bald Danny on 

1937
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:21,920
screen. 
It would help show only folks 

1938
01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:24,720
either Danny to egg parallels. 
Yeah, yeah, They should have had

1939
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:26,040
Danny Bald. 
I agree with that. 

1940
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:28,040
It was a that's the butterfly 
effect. 

1941
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:29,880
They didn't. 
They don't think about these 

1942
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:34,240
effects as much as This is why 
we appreciate how tightly 

1943
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:37,360
they're trying to keep this show
to the to the books, to what was

1944
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:39,320
written because of things like 
this. 

1945
01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:41,080
They don't necessarily know what
they're changing. 

1946
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:42,960
They don't always know that 
they're creating a butterfly 

1947
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:44,360
effect. 
When they do it, it doesn't 

1948
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:47,040
necessarily seem like it's that 
big a deal, you know, to not 

1949
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:48,800
have her hair burned, even 
though it doesn't necessarily 

1950
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:50,240
make sense. 
Of course, her skin not burning 

1951
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:51,880
doesn't make sense either, if 
you're going to look at it that 

1952
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:52,600
way. 
So. 

1953
01:28:54,240 --> 01:28:56,200
But yeah. 
But This is why you keep things 

1954
01:28:56,200 --> 01:28:58,640
the way George wrote them, even 
when they seem small. 

1955
01:28:58,640 --> 01:29:01,240
The number of people have had 
visions and prophecies and 

1956
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:05,440
dreams about a bald headed 
person starting you you you see 

1957
01:29:05,440 --> 01:29:11,160
like it has a butterfly effect. 
Yes, a dragonfly effect, Stannis

1958
01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:13,720
Brothian 3356 says at the end of
the fight. 

1959
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:16,320
Do you guys feel Aryan saluted 
Dunk with that pound to the 

1960
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:17,960
chest? 
I have a slightly different take

1961
01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:20,440
on that pound to the chest. 
I don't think it was a salute. 

1962
01:29:20,440 --> 01:29:22,800
I think it was Dunk was waiting 
for him to be ready. 

1963
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:25,960
He wasn't going to just attack 
him before he grabbed his sword.

1964
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:28,600
He was being honorable about it 
and Aryan was signaling that he 

1965
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:30,640
was ready because Dunk clearly 
waited. 

1966
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:32,480
Dunk stopped after grabbed just 
sort of approached him and 

1967
01:29:32,480 --> 01:29:34,320
stopped. 
Aryan didn't even have his sword

1968
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:35,160
in hand. 
He picked up. 

1969
01:29:35,160 --> 01:29:36,720
He went to a knee and picked up 
his sword. 

1970
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:39,120
Dunk did not approach him during
the night. 

1971
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:41,440
He could have just like launched
himself when Aryan was on one. 

1972
01:29:41,440 --> 01:29:44,480
Knee he could have right, like, 
yeah, it would have been not 

1973
01:29:44,480 --> 01:29:47,240
honorable, but within the the 
the rules. 

1974
01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:49,720
Yeah, So Dunk, I think he was. 
I think that was just a shared 

1975
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:52,040
honor moment rather than Arian 
saluting him. 

1976
01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:54,240
I think it was like, yeah, okay,
go ahead, you know, let's go. 

1977
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:55,880
I don't. 
Know if it was shared on her 

1978
01:29:55,880 --> 01:29:57,320
because I think Arian would have
done. 

1979
01:29:57,320 --> 01:30:00,800
In fact Aaron did in the books. 
He yielded and then went for his

1980
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:04,360
mates. 
So you know what's funny? 

1981
01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:06,320
Is this a quick terminology 
thing? 

1982
01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:10,320
It's it's the people are 
sometimes call it a Mace or a 

1983
01:30:10,440 --> 01:30:12,040
that's a flail. 
Yeah, that's a flail. 

1984
01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:12,400
I. 
Misspoke. 

1985
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:14,680
Yeah, not me, sorry. 
Yeah, it's a morning star, I 

1986
01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:16,000
think. 
A morning starting to flail or. 

1987
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:17,920
No, no, no. 
Morning Star is not. 

1988
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:20,400
Not the Morning Star is the 
spike ball itself. 

1989
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:25,080
Isn't that what Arian had? 
The the spiked ball is on a 

1990
01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:27,680
chain on a chain. 
Is the entire weapon the Morning

1991
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:28,920
star? 
Piece of it's like saying a 

1992
01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:31,440
sword has a blade. 
It also has a hilt and a cross 

1993
01:30:31,440 --> 01:30:33,120
guard, but it's yeah, the whole 
thing makes it up. 

1994
01:30:33,160 --> 01:30:34,640
But you. 
Would also often say he picked 

1995
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:37,720
up his blade and it would use it
synonymously as swords and you 

1996
01:30:37,720 --> 01:30:39,520
know. 
But yeah, yeah, that's true. 

1997
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:41,040
Blade is a little more 
ubiquitous, but you're right. 

1998
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:43,080
And, and I'm not. 
Yeah, people say Mace more 

1999
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:45,640
people know what you mean when 
you say that. 

2000
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:46,560
So it's whatever. 
Yeah. 

2001
01:30:46,920 --> 01:30:48,960
Mace is specifically different. 
It does. 

2002
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:51,880
It's just one thing without the 
chain and, and, and that would 

2003
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:54,320
be like saying you picked up his
blade and you're talking about 

2004
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:55,920
the Lance. 
And no, those are two different.

2005
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:58,080
You can. 
Yes, like yeah, or like a subtle

2006
01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:00,360
difference between a spear and a
Lance, which the spear can be 

2007
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:02,200
used like a Lance, but 
technically it's a little 

2008
01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:05,360
different, you know, or yeah, 
and a a flail, there's various 

2009
01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:08,120
types of flails and flails exist
in the 1st place because they 

2010
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:10,000
were a farming implement. 
Like so many other weapons, they

2011
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:12,960
started as farming implements. 
And a Mace can be spiked or it 

2012
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:14,960
can be flanged. 
There's all sorts of options, 

2013
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:17,240
yeah. 
A value of a of a flail. 

2014
01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:19,080
By the way, it's more difficult 
to block. 

2015
01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:22,360
Oh yeah, If you're swinging it 
and someone blocks with their 

2016
01:31:22,360 --> 01:31:25,600
sword, it hits the chain but the
ball in the end still comes down

2017
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:27,080
and smashes you in the face or 
whatever. 

2018
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:29,280
It's a very crappy defensive 
weapon, is the problem. 

2019
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:30,800
You can't parry at all with one 
of those. 

2020
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:32,360
No blocking. 
Yeah, you cannot. 

2021
01:31:32,440 --> 01:31:34,400
Yeah, that's the downside of it.
Yeah. 

2022
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:36,680
I watched another one of the. 
I watched a video on that 

2023
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:39,760
recently because it was a Scala 
Gladiatoria who we posted a few 

2024
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:42,640
videos of theirs and and on 
Facebook in our group there. 

2025
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:45,920
He is a doctorate. 
He has a doctorate in medieval 

2026
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:47,800
weaponry. 
So he really knows his stuff and

2027
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:49,200
they do. 
They run through all these tests

2028
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:50,600
and showing how these things 
work. 

2029
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:53,360
And he loved night of seven 
kingdoms and goes into detail 

2030
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:55,280
about things like that. 
So a good thing to check out if 

2031
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:58,160
you all are interested. 
Jillsville sends a super chat. 

2032
01:31:58,160 --> 01:32:00,480
Thanks for that. 
No question attached Birdie 

2033
01:32:00,480 --> 01:32:02,640
perch says Hey, regarding cold 
hands height. 

2034
01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:05,520
My grandma used to be taller 
than at my adult height and now 

2035
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:08,200
she's not. 
She she maybe lost three whole 

2036
01:32:08,200 --> 01:32:10,920
inches and we're talking to 
maybe 100 years. 

2037
01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:13,880
So maybe, you know, like a whole
maybe someone could lose 9 

2038
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:15,560
inches in 100 years of being 
dead. 

2039
01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:17,320
Yeah. 
We, we don't know, you know, 

2040
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:19,920
that's not something that we 
have data on. 

2041
01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:22,680
We don't know how about somebody
breaks down over it and. 

2042
01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:27,360
You know if you're 56 and lose 3
inches percentage wise, if 

2043
01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:29,680
you're 7 foot you might lose 6 
inches. 

2044
01:32:29,680 --> 01:32:32,160
And yeah, yeah. 
Still, that would make you 66, 

2045
01:32:32,160 --> 01:32:33,440
which is still. 
Very tall. 

2046
01:32:33,440 --> 01:32:36,760
Martin, I think if Martin wanted
that to be, if Martin intended 

2047
01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:39,200
that to be Donk, he would have 
included some just. 

2048
01:32:39,800 --> 01:32:42,720
Some height or something else, 
some other clue, you know, like 

2049
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:46,960
a a a turn of a phrase, you 
know, something like that, 

2050
01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:49,200
something that I. 
Think this is a good example of 

2051
01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:53,200
something that's very difficult 
to disprove, but I don't think 

2052
01:32:53,200 --> 01:32:56,880
there's really enough evidence 
there to be considering it. 

2053
01:32:56,880 --> 01:33:01,320
And like we found a thing that 
is like it's possible some 

2054
01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:03,760
Kangaroos wear hats. 
How could you prove that they 

2055
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:05,600
don't? 
But you know, probably no one's 

2056
01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:07,080
ever seen it. 
I could probably you know what I

2057
01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:08,200
mean, like. 
You don't have a picture of 

2058
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:10,120
every kangaroo ever, so you 
can't prove it. 

2059
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:11,000
They. 
Don't even. 

2060
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:13,240
If you did, they might. 
Guarantee you. 

2061
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:16,520
I guarantee you there are 
Kangaroos that have worn hats. 

2062
01:33:16,520 --> 01:33:20,000
Well, yeah, because humans. 
Put it on analogy, but hopefully

2063
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:21,400
now we're. 
Going to hold you to that Sean. 

2064
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:23,440
We're calling when you kangaroo 
hat man. 

2065
01:33:23,440 --> 01:33:26,120
From now on every. 
Time someone skis a camera with 

2066
01:33:26,120 --> 01:33:27,760
a hat. 
Send me a picture I'm. 

2067
01:33:28,040 --> 01:33:31,560
Picturing Roger Junior from 
Tekken who is a kangaroo who 

2068
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:35,640
would probably wear a hat. 
Darius read it before, says the 

2069
01:33:35,640 --> 01:33:37,320
riderless horse goes back for 
centuries. 

2070
01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:40,080
Procession of mourners with the 
burial wagon was led by the lost

2071
01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:41,160
persons. 
Unridden horse. 

2072
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:45,800
Yeah, that part of it I have we 
have to assume wouldn't just be 

2073
01:33:45,800 --> 01:33:48,160
an American thing, especially if
it's a horse tradition. 

2074
01:33:48,160 --> 01:33:50,600
Yeah, that would be weird. 
The plain one, that does fit 

2075
01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:53,080
because it's plains. 
But yeah, that I'm sure there's 

2076
01:33:53,080 --> 01:33:55,800
other similar varieties of of 
mourning. 

2077
01:33:55,800 --> 01:34:00,720
I mean, people honoring the dead
is one of the oldest human 

2078
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:03,960
things there is, right. 
Or even Neanderthals did that. 

2079
01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:06,760
It goes beyond humans even even 
some animals, even some animals 

2080
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:08,080
do that, like elephants. 
You know, elephants. 

2081
01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:10,800
Yeah. 
Let's discuss some other 

2082
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:13,960
features of the adaptation. 
In other words, things that 

2083
01:34:14,120 --> 01:34:17,920
stood out on the screen that or 
on the TV in general, things 

2084
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:20,160
that you can't do as a book, 
things that were the strength of

2085
01:34:20,160 --> 01:34:24,000
the medium, a phrase that I've 
used a lot to season, like 

2086
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:26,360
acting you can't. 
The power of acting is just 

2087
01:34:26,360 --> 01:34:29,320
greater than the written the can
that often than the what the 

2088
01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:32,440
written word can pull off. 
Even even George's writings, you

2089
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:35,680
know, can't match what what a 
person can do with their face 

2090
01:34:35,680 --> 01:34:38,240
when they're really good at it 
or music. 

2091
01:34:38,440 --> 01:34:43,120
I, George, can't write words 
that do what music does to us. 

2092
01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:45,320
No one can. 
I will repeat that the 

2093
01:34:45,320 --> 01:34:48,920
soundtrack was is by Dan Romer 
and it's out. 

2094
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:52,640
I love the way they set us up 
with that use of the Game of 

2095
01:34:52,640 --> 01:34:54,480
Thrones theme. 
I know a lot of people didn't 

2096
01:34:54,480 --> 01:34:56,960
appreciate the the shitting on 
the original theme. 

2097
01:34:56,960 --> 01:34:58,400
That's not really what they were
trying to do. 

2098
01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:00,680
It was more of a joke. 
And it was like, oh, how Dunk is

2099
01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:02,680
realizing what he's up against. 
He's like, oh, excited. 

2100
01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:04,360
And then he's like, what am I 
doing? 

2101
01:35:04,360 --> 01:35:06,760
Anxiety, My guts are turning to 
water. 

2102
01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:09,120
A lot of people didn't quite 
take it that. 

2103
01:35:09,200 --> 01:35:12,520
Way a real trait of Peter 
Claffey. 

2104
01:35:12,520 --> 01:35:17,000
He does have anxiety that causes
him to you know, have have bowel

2105
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:19,400
and and vomit issues. 
I, you know, that type of thing,

2106
01:35:19,400 --> 01:35:21,760
he's vomiting when he's, he's 
anxious and stuff like that. 

2107
01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:23,560
And he did the he did the vomit 
scene too. 

2108
01:35:23,560 --> 01:35:25,640
So we got both of those. 
It did come out of both ends 

2109
01:35:25,640 --> 01:35:27,160
here. 
But then they did it so 

2110
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:29,680
seriously and meaningfully with 
Baylor when he rode out. 

2111
01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:30,960
That's part of why I love that 
scene so much. 

2112
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:34,480
I I highlighted Baylor's scene 
is one of my favorite, a rival 

2113
01:35:34,480 --> 01:35:35,720
joining dunk is one of my 
favorites. 

2114
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:39,240
And I didn't even mention that 
they the added music did so much

2115
01:35:39,240 --> 01:35:40,600
for that. 
I think it's part of why that's 

2116
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:42,560
something that none of us 
necessarily saw coming. 

2117
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:44,160
We knew that was going to be a 
big moment, but how are they 

2118
01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:45,440
going to make this moment so 
big? 

2119
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:47,560
That was a a, a a thing, they 
added. 

2120
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:50,600
That was brilliant and perfect 
and worked really well. 

2121
01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:53,680
They said that they tried a lot 
of other songs in the editing 

2122
01:35:53,680 --> 01:35:57,240
room before they hit, like it 
wasn't conceived of being the 

2123
01:35:57,240 --> 01:35:59,480
Game of Thrones theme song. 
For that, they tried other 

2124
01:35:59,480 --> 01:36:03,080
things, and then they finally 
realized that that that's what 

2125
01:36:03,080 --> 01:36:04,560
they needed. 
Nice. 

2126
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:06,800
That worked out Happy, happy 
accident there. 

2127
01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:08,480
And then also we have these 
other songs. 

2128
01:36:08,480 --> 01:36:11,800
There was that light song, the 
rainbow connectiony song, the 

2129
01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:13,880
one that sounded kind of like 
the rainbow connection. 

2130
01:36:13,880 --> 01:36:17,360
And there's all the way to the 
haunting music and the egg hair 

2131
01:36:17,360 --> 01:36:20,840
regrowth Aryan scene. 
That was really chilling and and

2132
01:36:21,320 --> 01:36:23,520
well, yeah, it's really chilling
that that says it all. 

2133
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:27,440
And then these exotic and 
curious Dothraki dirge like that

2134
01:36:27,440 --> 01:36:30,880
was pretty clever and unexpected
and then fits into the whole, 

2135
01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:34,120
you know, schema of music that 
they use this season and the sad

2136
01:36:34,120 --> 01:36:36,680
music of the outro like that. 
You you said it yourself, Sean, 

2137
01:36:36,680 --> 01:36:38,280
that that scene brought you to 
tears. 

2138
01:36:38,480 --> 01:36:40,840
Was the music a big part of 
that, or do you think it would 

2139
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:42,560
have hit nearly as hard without 
that? 

2140
01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:44,960
I mean, it's hard to like 
separate it like that, but I 

2141
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:46,360
feel like it still would hit 
pretty hard. 

2142
01:36:46,520 --> 01:36:48,080
It'd also be weird if there was 
no music. 

2143
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:50,240
Like who has a scene like that 
with no music, you know? 

2144
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:53,280
Well, you know, I was going to 
point out that's another thing 

2145
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:56,800
that you could do with film that
you can't do with a book is the 

2146
01:36:56,800 --> 01:36:59,880
removal of music. 
If things are kind of swollen 

2147
01:36:59,880 --> 01:37:02,680
and intense and loud and 
suddenly you take all that away,

2148
01:37:02,680 --> 01:37:06,760
that's another dynamic. 
That more in a second too, 

2149
01:37:06,760 --> 01:37:09,160
because that comes up a lot with
the sound design how they did 

2150
01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:12,680
certain other scenes to to 
change the tone or change the 

2151
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:15,120
perspective of what's happening 
on in the in the moment. 

2152
01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:18,440
Ashay, you added some of these 
other notes here with the music.

2153
01:37:18,440 --> 01:37:20,280
And I also wanted to shout out 
the Western by a lot of the 

2154
01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:22,840
music had a Western vibe to it, 
which we thought was we, we 

2155
01:37:22,840 --> 01:37:24,720
commented on that early in the 
season, how appropriate that 

2156
01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:27,120
was. 
And then the the music at the in

2157
01:37:27,160 --> 01:37:30,240
episode 6 was particularly 
different. 

2158
01:37:30,240 --> 01:37:32,360
Not different, but they did a 
few things differently. 

2159
01:37:32,360 --> 01:37:35,200
Especially anachronistic. 
And I want you guys to realize 

2160
01:37:35,200 --> 01:37:38,120
that the the music in all the 
shows is anachronistic. 

2161
01:37:38,120 --> 01:37:40,920
That's not what they would 
listen to in the world. 

2162
01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:44,880
They don't have that same. 
Anachronistic, but it's none of 

2163
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:47,320
it's, it's all of that, right? 
Like symphonies didn't exist 

2164
01:37:47,320 --> 01:37:48,960
then like. 
Anyone is saying that I'm like 

2165
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:52,800
OK but calm down now. 
Like it's all all is it all is. 

2166
01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:54,920
None of it can actually be fully
enrolled. 

2167
01:37:55,040 --> 01:37:57,760
Like I prefer it to be to feel 
more authentic. 

2168
01:37:57,760 --> 01:37:59,080
But I totally acknowledge your 
point. 

2169
01:37:59,080 --> 01:38:03,160
Like you, it's not. 
To me, I'd never really thought 

2170
01:38:03,160 --> 01:38:06,000
about the music in the show as 
being authentic to the show. 

2171
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:08,840
They even have like real world 
bands come in and perform in 

2172
01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:11,720
Game of Thrones. 
So anyways, to that point, they 

2173
01:38:11,720 --> 01:38:16,400
ended it with 16 tons by 
Tennessee Ernie Ford, which is 

2174
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:18,880
really this kind of working 
class anthem. 

2175
01:38:19,200 --> 01:38:24,760
And it speaks to the the theme 
in the show of of class 

2176
01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:27,400
disparity very well, very 
effectively. 

2177
01:38:27,400 --> 01:38:29,680
I think. 
So I loved that. 

2178
01:38:29,880 --> 01:38:32,680
I also really liked, and I 
brought this up at the time, the

2179
01:38:32,680 --> 01:38:35,560
opener to episode 6 is a jazz 
song. 

2180
01:38:35,720 --> 01:38:38,920
It's called Alone Together by 
Kenny Dorham. 

2181
01:38:39,120 --> 01:38:42,440
And like the title, it's that's 
the scene with with Lionel and 

2182
01:38:42,440 --> 01:38:43,960
Dunk. 
And I thought even the title was

2183
01:38:43,960 --> 01:38:48,320
resonant, but really just the 
jazzy music was so well, well 

2184
01:38:48,320 --> 01:38:52,600
put for comedic effect. 
So yeah, I thought the use of 

2185
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:55,640
so-called anachronistic songs 
were to great effect. 

2186
01:38:55,640 --> 01:38:57,440
I would like them to keep going 
with it. 

2187
01:38:57,640 --> 01:39:00,720
So a lot of you, I've heard you 
in the comments, Hated it. 

2188
01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:03,280
Hated it. 
One of my favorite things in the

2189
01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:05,640
show. 
Funny how that works, right? 

2190
01:39:06,200 --> 01:39:09,560
Yeah. 
A couple points they I've 

2191
01:39:09,560 --> 01:39:13,080
observed that even outside of 
this, even when it isn't 

2192
01:39:13,080 --> 01:39:17,200
necessarily anachronistic in the
alien Earth series, each episode

2193
01:39:17,200 --> 01:39:19,960
ended with, I don't know, a 
noteworthy song. 

2194
01:39:19,960 --> 01:39:23,120
Most of them in the realm of 
like metal or grunge or 

2195
01:39:23,120 --> 01:39:25,600
whatever, you know, and a lot of
people hated it. 

2196
01:39:25,640 --> 01:39:28,400
Like what? 
Why I don't I'm like baffled at 

2197
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:30,200
to each their own. 
I don't want to judge too hard 

2198
01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:33,920
but I would be more 
understanding if they stuck in 

2199
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:37,720
some you know, 90s song into 
Game of Thrones or whatever. 

2200
01:39:38,120 --> 01:39:42,360
But I felt like something it's 
even in our world old 100 years 

2201
01:39:42,360 --> 01:39:45,720
close probably is fine. 
Can I also wonder if this is a 

2202
01:39:45,720 --> 01:39:48,080
little anecdote but just an 
amazing coincidence? 

2203
01:39:48,360 --> 01:39:51,160
So Mad Men is probably my 
biggest hole. 

2204
01:39:51,160 --> 01:39:54,680
I think I've seen every major 
prestige drama TV show. 

2205
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:56,840
I've made a point of watching 
all the greatest, best, most 

2206
01:39:56,840 --> 01:39:59,640
popular, acclaim, whatever stuff
and I haven't seen Mad Men. 

2207
01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:02,440
I'm watching that. 
I could have been a little 

2208
01:40:02,440 --> 01:40:04,840
slower or quicker as I move 
through it. 

2209
01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:10,760
But I just happen to be, I think
Season 3 episode 3 was my next 

2210
01:40:10,760 --> 01:40:15,400
episode up Tuesday after we had 
watched and did our video and 

2211
01:40:15,400 --> 01:40:17,840
this and this episode. 
Minor plot thread. 

2212
01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:20,920
It's not really a spoiler, but 
Don didn't have a contract with 

2213
01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:23,640
the company he's working for and
there's pressure on to do it. 

2214
01:40:23,640 --> 01:40:25,520
And so he does. 
And he, you know, signs his 

2215
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:28,360
contract and in a closing song 
is 16. 

2216
01:40:28,360 --> 01:40:31,600
I'm like, what are the practical
chances of me hearing that song?

2217
01:40:31,840 --> 01:40:33,560
A really effective song and 
meaningful. 

2218
01:40:33,560 --> 01:40:35,240
It even says the word Saint 
Peter in it. 

2219
01:40:35,360 --> 01:40:37,120
Come on. 
And we got Peter Claffey. 

2220
01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:41,920
So pivoting to related topic 
sound design, which I mentioned 

2221
01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:44,880
it a little while ago, we talked
about, there's a lot that goes 

2222
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:46,720
into these things. 
And sometimes we're not as it's 

2223
01:40:46,720 --> 01:40:48,960
not as it's more subtle than the
music. 

2224
01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:50,400
A lot of times. 
The music is often very 

2225
01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:52,040
prominent. 
It takes up a lot of space in 

2226
01:40:52,040 --> 01:40:55,640
our of our focus. 
It's hard to not notice it, but 

2227
01:40:55,680 --> 01:40:58,240
sound design is a big part of a 
lot of these shows that have a 

2228
01:40:58,240 --> 01:41:00,160
lot of things going on outdoors 
with lots of people in the 

2229
01:41:00,160 --> 01:41:01,840
background. 
You get horses, you get crowd 

2230
01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:05,080
noise, you get the sound of mud,
you have the sound of but then 

2231
01:41:05,080 --> 01:41:06,400
they did. 
It's some creative things like 

2232
01:41:06,400 --> 01:41:08,400
being inside Dunk's helm and 
hearing his breathing. 

2233
01:41:08,400 --> 01:41:11,320
And that's like more like, OK, 
you're not going to not notice 

2234
01:41:11,320 --> 01:41:14,000
that because it's just so 
prominent in frontal and and 

2235
01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:18,360
sudden or Raymond's knighting 
where Lionel isn't. 

2236
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:22,360
His lips aren't moving, but this
this voice over is happening and

2237
01:41:22,360 --> 01:41:24,160
it's his voice and it's like, 
oh, they're doing something 

2238
01:41:24,160 --> 01:41:25,920
cool. 
Here's his artsy and and as I 

2239
01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:29,600
pointed at the time, having 
Lionel do it the the one, the 

2240
01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:32,160
least serious person they're 
doing and he's taking it 

2241
01:41:32,160 --> 01:41:35,000
seriously. 
The combination of that audio 

2242
01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:38,640
effect and that the implication 
of it being Lionel of all people

2243
01:41:38,640 --> 01:41:41,520
was just hit really. 
That was great, you know, and 

2244
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:43,320
then the sound design out of. 
Design. 

2245
01:41:43,400 --> 01:41:47,360
And also helped interject 
Arlen's little shrug too. 

2246
01:41:47,440 --> 01:41:49,160
You know, Yeah. 
Great point. 

2247
01:41:49,160 --> 01:41:50,880
Yeah. 
And then we have things like the

2248
01:41:50,920 --> 01:41:53,880
Tanzel's voice over her 
narration that rings in his head

2249
01:41:53,880 --> 01:41:57,640
later when he's at the ruined 
puppet site, kind of reflecting 

2250
01:41:57,640 --> 01:42:00,880
on it, looking at the the head 
of Florian and he's hearing her 

2251
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:03,600
voice and hearing the night, you
know, being a fool. 

2252
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:05,880
And he's hearing how he's being 
a fool and he's like, Yep, I'm a

2253
01:42:05,880 --> 01:42:07,080
fool. 
And that so that was very 

2254
01:42:07,080 --> 01:42:09,600
effective too. 
I said, maybe that isn't sound 

2255
01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:15,040
design so much as just a a way 
of using narration, but I feel 

2256
01:42:15,040 --> 01:42:17,040
like it, you know, this is a 
good enough time, good as a 

2257
01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:19,560
place as any to bring that up. 
Pivoting to visuals and 

2258
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:22,040
costumes, as Shea has some 
images for us to go through here

2259
01:42:22,040 --> 01:42:25,920
as we're talking about the ears.
Look at this cool ass Kingsguard

2260
01:42:25,920 --> 01:42:28,720
armor. 
Now jumping ahead a little bit, 

2261
01:42:28,720 --> 01:42:30,840
one of the things I think they 
did kind of subtly that we 

2262
01:42:30,840 --> 01:42:34,040
talked about at the time is this
looks kind of sinister. 

2263
01:42:34,280 --> 01:42:37,000
I think maybe a lot maybe some 
of you will disagree, but this 

2264
01:42:37,280 --> 01:42:40,920
that that helmet looks sinister 
and I think this is a reflection

2265
01:42:41,320 --> 01:42:44,640
of the anti Targaryen sentiment.
These guys look kind of illness,

2266
01:42:44,640 --> 01:42:46,480
even though they're supposed to 
be good guys and they're 

2267
01:42:46,480 --> 01:42:49,920
defending bad guys, even though 
they might be honorable and 

2268
01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:51,920
noble have gotten into it for 
reasons of duty. 

2269
01:42:52,040 --> 01:42:55,320
There's a little bit of like Sir
Arthur Dayne, you know, maybe 

2270
01:42:55,320 --> 01:42:59,440
Barristan Selmy here where 
they're very honorable legendary

2271
01:42:59,440 --> 01:43:03,880
Knights who are well regarded, 
but like they're kind of in 

2272
01:43:03,880 --> 01:43:06,240
service to crappy people. 
And so we're seeing that 

2273
01:43:06,240 --> 01:43:07,840
reflected here. 
And that that was that moment 

2274
01:43:07,840 --> 01:43:09,600
was really brought out. 
I think when there was that mini

2275
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:13,200
riot after Aryan did his thing 
to Harding and the crowd reacted

2276
01:43:13,400 --> 01:43:15,200
in a way that they didn't react 
in the novel. 

2277
01:43:15,720 --> 01:43:17,640
They got pretty mad. 
That's another way they showed 

2278
01:43:17,640 --> 01:43:20,400
the anti Targaryen sentiment. 
So I think this is this. 

2279
01:43:20,400 --> 01:43:22,680
I think this fits into that 
showing that these, even these 

2280
01:43:22,680 --> 01:43:26,760
Kingsguard who are ostensibly 
good people, are being used not 

2281
01:43:26,760 --> 01:43:29,200
in a good way because of the 
people that they're defending, 

2282
01:43:29,200 --> 01:43:31,960
who they're working for. 
Yeah, I thought it was very 

2283
01:43:31,960 --> 01:43:35,840
effective costume design. 
They looked very intimidating 

2284
01:43:35,840 --> 01:43:38,760
and, yeah, scary. 
People said it looked like snow 

2285
01:43:38,760 --> 01:43:41,240
troopers from Star Wars because 
at first I said Imperial Guard, 

2286
01:43:41,240 --> 01:43:43,400
but I think the snow troopers 
angle might even be better. 

2287
01:43:43,400 --> 01:43:45,600
It might might be closer or some
mash up of those two. 

2288
01:43:46,760 --> 01:43:49,080
Either way it looks awesome. 
Like the spike on the helmet and

2289
01:43:49,080 --> 01:43:51,560
the detail on the helm. 
Like it's a lot of grooving and 

2290
01:43:51,560 --> 01:43:52,920
and and lines in there. 
It's. 

2291
01:43:53,040 --> 01:43:56,160
A real Targaryen Kingsguard 
design, you know what I mean? 

2292
01:43:56,160 --> 01:43:59,120
Like like the way that has kind 
of like winged webbed, like I, 

2293
01:43:59,160 --> 01:44:01,000
I, I don't know, wings on their 
armor. 

2294
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:02,520
It looks like you see. 
Yeah. 

2295
01:44:03,360 --> 01:44:05,880
All these little, all these 
little effects that to me make 

2296
01:44:05,880 --> 01:44:08,320
them really very Targary. 
Oh yeah, look at the knee there,

2297
01:44:08,320 --> 01:44:11,040
the wings on the knee. 
I didn't catch that wing knee 

2298
01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:13,440
there. 
That's pretty cool. 

2299
01:44:13,440 --> 01:44:16,120
It's. 
Distinct and and also I think 

2300
01:44:16,120 --> 01:44:19,960
part of what makes it sinister 
looking, like you said, is when 

2301
01:44:19,960 --> 01:44:23,800
it's all pale white like that, 
the eye holes look more black. 

2302
01:44:23,800 --> 01:44:25,960
Good point. 
And that I mean that adds to the

2303
01:44:25,960 --> 01:44:28,400
sinister look. 
And on top of that, the when 

2304
01:44:28,400 --> 01:44:30,600
they were deployed with their 
helmets, the only other time 

2305
01:44:30,600 --> 01:44:32,360
they were deployed with their 
helmets besides the trial was 

2306
01:44:32,360 --> 01:44:35,800
during, like I said, during that
riot, they ride out and they are

2307
01:44:35,800 --> 01:44:39,800
so white compared to everything 
else around them because 

2308
01:44:39,800 --> 01:44:42,800
everything is dingy and muddy 
and they're just pristine. 

2309
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:47,560
And there's something unearthly 
about being so unmuddy, like in 

2310
01:44:47,560 --> 01:44:48,480
the midst of all that. 
Yeah. 

2311
01:44:48,480 --> 01:44:49,080
Ghosts. 
Yes. 

2312
01:44:49,120 --> 01:44:52,280
And and that's why like in the 
Song of Ice and Fire, people 

2313
01:44:52,280 --> 01:44:54,920
very often compare the King's 
Guard to the others White 

2314
01:44:54,920 --> 01:44:56,320
Walkers. 
Like there's, there's parallels 

2315
01:44:56,320 --> 01:44:58,160
there. 
Like they are white shadows. 

2316
01:44:58,320 --> 01:45:05,080
They are swords that who's you 
know they're they don't get to 

2317
01:45:05,080 --> 01:45:08,160
make their own decisions. 
They are in service to a leader 

2318
01:45:08,160 --> 01:45:10,120
that makes all the choices for 
them, which is kind of like what

2319
01:45:10,120 --> 01:45:13,640
the undead do, like they're the 
others guide the dead and they 

2320
01:45:13,640 --> 01:45:16,640
don't make any decisions. 
They're just automatons. 

2321
01:45:16,640 --> 01:45:20,320
The Kingsguard aren't quite that
atom atomic, but they are. 

2322
01:45:20,800 --> 01:45:23,720
That vibe is there and we get to
see with their masks off, 

2323
01:45:23,720 --> 01:45:25,040
they're helmet off. 
They don't talk like they're 

2324
01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:27,320
sinister evil. 
They just kind of, it seemed 

2325
01:45:27,320 --> 01:45:28,640
like kind of normal, maybe a 
little. 

2326
01:45:28,640 --> 01:45:30,080
Male models, all of. 
Them. 

2327
01:45:30,080 --> 01:45:32,640
Yeah, a little. 
Very handsome, yeah, but but not

2328
01:45:32,640 --> 01:45:34,320
bad. 
That's sinister, certainly. 

2329
01:45:35,160 --> 01:45:38,240
White steel, if you can see 
their facial expression, blue. 

2330
01:45:38,240 --> 01:45:41,560
Steel, white steel, yeah, that's
good. 

2331
01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:43,280
I want to go through the other 
ones real quick. 

2332
01:45:43,640 --> 01:45:46,240
These. 
This is from like from Instagram

2333
01:45:46,240 --> 01:45:48,400
and social media. 
We've gotten some glimpses at 

2334
01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:52,400
some of the stuff that I feel 
the making of should have 

2335
01:45:52,400 --> 01:45:55,320
focused on a little more and 
didn't. 

2336
01:45:55,320 --> 01:45:58,480
But you can see actually a 
better look at the Lannister 

2337
01:45:58,480 --> 01:46:00,840
helm here, which was cool to 
see. 

2338
01:46:01,000 --> 01:46:03,640
And from behind, a little bit of
a better shot from the social 

2339
01:46:03,640 --> 01:46:07,320
media. 
This is the embroidery that they

2340
01:46:07,320 --> 01:46:10,040
that they did for the show. 
A close up look at some of the 

2341
01:46:10,040 --> 01:46:13,440
embroidery work we see a they 
they release on social media, 

2342
01:46:13,640 --> 01:46:17,520
the Targaryen sigil, House 
Ashford sigil, which I thought 

2343
01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:20,160
was really well done. 
How they incorporated that so 

2344
01:46:20,160 --> 01:46:23,400
well into Gwen Ashford's 
clothing When you look at the 

2345
01:46:23,400 --> 01:46:25,720
details on her stuff. 
It was Sons everywhere. 

2346
01:46:25,880 --> 01:46:29,560
Loved it. 
Lannister embroidery and the 

2347
01:46:29,560 --> 01:46:34,000
crown stag of House Baratheon. 
A lot of people think this is 

2348
01:46:34,160 --> 01:46:36,240
anachronistic or wrong in the 
show. 

2349
01:46:36,240 --> 01:46:37,800
It is not. 
It is not. 

2350
01:46:37,800 --> 01:46:41,320
This is in fact the book Canon. 
The show Canon is the one that 

2351
01:46:41,320 --> 01:46:43,440
changed it so that they added 
the crown. 

2352
01:46:43,720 --> 01:46:46,720
Just so you guys know this is is
book accurate. 

2353
01:46:47,440 --> 01:46:49,200
Right on, good call. 
Share. 

2354
01:46:49,480 --> 01:46:51,960
Now returning a little bit to 
the anti Targaryen sentiment. 

2355
01:46:51,960 --> 01:46:54,160
We discussed what was present. 
We just talked about a lot of 

2356
01:46:54,160 --> 01:46:57,960
things that happened during the 
season that communicated the 

2357
01:46:57,960 --> 01:47:00,360
anti Targaryen sentiment. 
Not trying to rehash that, but I

2358
01:47:00,360 --> 01:47:03,120
want to go forward with that 
using the Kingsguard a little 

2359
01:47:03,120 --> 01:47:05,120
bit as a pivot. 
Opinions will have changed, 

2360
01:47:05,120 --> 01:47:07,520
things will have gotten worse 
because of as a result of 

2361
01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:11,200
Ashford Aryan. 
What he did is going to spread 

2362
01:47:11,720 --> 01:47:15,600
the news of that and it's going 
to look bad like what he did and

2363
01:47:15,600 --> 01:47:19,000
the result it it his active 
actions caused the death. 

2364
01:47:19,480 --> 01:47:22,120
Well at least House Beasbury and
how's Harding. 

2365
01:47:22,120 --> 01:47:24,200
I hate the Targaryens. 
If they didn't already they got 

2366
01:47:24,200 --> 01:47:25,720
a big reason to be mad like they
would. 

2367
01:47:25,720 --> 01:47:27,720
They didn't necessarily have 
that especially how's Harding 

2368
01:47:28,240 --> 01:47:31,320
That's even, you know, Beesbury 
joined as a because of, you 

2369
01:47:31,320 --> 01:47:34,720
know, family connection. 
Whereas Harding was directly 

2370
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:38,000
hurt, perhaps permanently. 
Well, and then he was killed. 

2371
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:40,160
That's pretty permanent. 
But who knows how his knee would

2372
01:47:40,160 --> 01:47:42,000
have healed otherwise, you know,
I mean like it might have been 

2373
01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:43,640
never, might never have healed 
otherwise. 

2374
01:47:43,640 --> 01:47:45,440
So. 
But here's the other side of it.

2375
01:47:46,040 --> 01:47:47,840
Not to see nothing of the horse 
too. 

2376
01:47:47,880 --> 01:47:52,040
Yeah, sure, even if he had a 
similar, I don't know mentality 

2377
01:47:52,040 --> 01:47:55,280
of Makar where the horse is just
a tool to be used and he had no 

2378
01:47:55,280 --> 01:47:57,400
connection to it, but but he 
still may have right. 

2379
01:47:57,880 --> 01:48:00,400
But also it's effectively it's 
your car. 

2380
01:48:00,520 --> 01:48:02,840
You know, if someone like 
wrecked your car and broke your 

2381
01:48:02,840 --> 01:48:08,200
leg and then killed you, you 
know, and then killed you. 

2382
01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:12,280
Yeah, like you're right. 
Like horses are the especially 

2383
01:48:12,280 --> 01:48:14,280
those kind of horses. 
So these are the sports cars or 

2384
01:48:14,280 --> 01:48:16,920
the the high end vehicles of of 
the era like. 

2385
01:48:17,000 --> 01:48:18,600
Your Lamborghini? 
Yeah, it's like why? 

2386
01:48:18,760 --> 01:48:20,520
And why would you just? 
Destroy one of those just 

2387
01:48:20,520 --> 01:48:24,160
because it's like, oh, a lot of 
people just like horses in that 

2388
01:48:24,160 --> 01:48:25,960
era because they're supposed 
like a lot of people like cars. 

2389
01:48:25,960 --> 01:48:28,160
It's like, why would you just 
destroy one just for the hell of

2390
01:48:28,160 --> 01:48:29,640
it? 
Like that's, that's just weird 

2391
01:48:29,640 --> 01:48:32,600
And, and, and, and privileged. 
Like who does that? 

2392
01:48:32,600 --> 01:48:36,200
Like, you know, like that's a 
valuable thing, you know, even 

2393
01:48:36,200 --> 01:48:39,920
despite it also on top of it 
being an animal that that can 

2394
01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:44,400
feel pain, you know, but the 
other side of all this is like, 

2395
01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:46,160
oh, this is encouraging the 
black. 

2396
01:48:46,200 --> 01:48:48,680
The black fires aren't popular 
either. 

2397
01:48:48,760 --> 01:48:51,720
They're not beloved. 
It's not like people are pining 

2398
01:48:51,720 --> 01:48:53,520
for the black fires as an 
alternative. 

2399
01:48:53,520 --> 01:48:57,040
It's like they both suck, I 
think is what we're supposed to 

2400
01:48:57,040 --> 01:48:59,120
get here. 
Like who loves bitter steel? 

2401
01:48:59,120 --> 01:49:01,760
I like him as a character, but 
like people are like, oh, that 

2402
01:49:01,760 --> 01:49:04,400
bitter steel guy, he's great. 
Let's follow like we love him. 

2403
01:49:04,400 --> 01:49:07,000
No, they, they follow him 
because they respect him, 

2404
01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:10,920
because he's strong and powerful
and effective, Not because he 

2405
01:49:10,920 --> 01:49:13,720
gives them the warm fuzzies or 
because they, they, he does 

2406
01:49:13,720 --> 01:49:16,240
right by them all the time, you 
know, or that he's extremely 

2407
01:49:16,240 --> 01:49:18,680
trustworthy. 
No, they can trust him to do 

2408
01:49:18,680 --> 01:49:21,440
what he's doing because he's so 
intense and he's, he's going to 

2409
01:49:21,440 --> 01:49:23,200
keep doing that. 
Like, oh, this guy is driven. 

2410
01:49:23,360 --> 01:49:26,960
We can count on that, you know, 
and they don't know Damon's 

2411
01:49:26,960 --> 01:49:28,120
other sons. 
They might have liked some 

2412
01:49:28,120 --> 01:49:30,160
people might have liked Damon 
Blackfyre, they might have liked

2413
01:49:30,160 --> 01:49:33,320
his, his twin sons, but they 
don't even know the other five. 

2414
01:49:33,800 --> 01:49:35,320
They don't know who they are. 
They're like, well, maybe 

2415
01:49:35,320 --> 01:49:38,520
they're like Damon, but maybe 
they're not, you know, like, who

2416
01:49:38,520 --> 01:49:40,040
knows? 
So and. 

2417
01:49:40,080 --> 01:49:43,040
Also, what what they wouldn't 
have that Damon would have the 

2418
01:49:43,040 --> 01:49:45,400
thing that they I'm going to go 
too much to manage, but they all

2419
01:49:45,400 --> 01:49:47,680
have a sort of ulterior motive. 
Yes, yes. 

2420
01:49:47,680 --> 01:49:50,640
We are behind this guy. 
When he takes power, we get 

2421
01:49:50,640 --> 01:49:52,200
power. 
People real power and out lose 

2422
01:49:52,200 --> 01:49:54,840
it. 
We gain it and however good a 

2423
01:49:54,840 --> 01:49:57,360
person is, they don't care. 
It's almost better if he's a bad

2424
01:49:57,360 --> 01:49:59,720
person because he's more likely 
to get more power. 

2425
01:49:59,720 --> 01:50:01,080
Right. 
And they're just, and the whole 

2426
01:50:01,080 --> 01:50:03,920
existence of them, the whole 
threat they pose to Westeros is,

2427
01:50:03,920 --> 01:50:05,200
oh, here comes another civil 
war. 

2428
01:50:05,200 --> 01:50:07,840
And that's, that just is 
terrifying to a lot of people 

2429
01:50:07,840 --> 01:50:09,920
for good reason like this. 
As long as these guys exist, 

2430
01:50:10,120 --> 01:50:14,240
civil war is a possibility. 
And and on top of that, in a few

2431
01:50:14,240 --> 01:50:16,040
years, bitter steel is going to 
form the Golden Company. 

2432
01:50:16,160 --> 01:50:18,920
Now, in the long term, bitter 
steel is going to prove the 

2433
01:50:18,920 --> 01:50:20,800
Golden Company is a different 
sort of sell for a company. 

2434
01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:23,200
But you think anyone believed 
that in year 1? 

2435
01:50:23,800 --> 01:50:26,240
Nah, they're like, oh, a sales 
work company that figures those 

2436
01:50:26,240 --> 01:50:28,840
guys, those losers, of course 
they would do that. 

2437
01:50:28,840 --> 01:50:31,880
They're all that's that's the 
kind of values they have in the 

2438
01:50:31,880 --> 01:50:33,880
1st place. 
They're, you know, men of low 

2439
01:50:33,880 --> 01:50:35,320
character. 
Of course they'd turn cell 

2440
01:50:35,320 --> 01:50:36,960
sword. 
So, yeah. 

2441
01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:39,280
So this is the kind of thing 
that will can involve evolve 

2442
01:50:39,280 --> 01:50:42,080
over time that we get to see a 
lot of that, which is fun. 

2443
01:50:42,080 --> 01:50:44,120
This is an era that we've talked
about quite a lot. 

2444
01:50:44,120 --> 01:50:45,920
We're going to get to see some 
of this actually play out. 

2445
01:50:46,640 --> 01:50:49,600
All right, here's a little spot 
we have on the whole concept of 

2446
01:50:49,600 --> 01:50:52,040
Dunkin Egg as a wolf and cub 
trope. 

2447
01:50:52,720 --> 01:50:55,080
It's a little different, like it
definitely fits into that 

2448
01:50:55,080 --> 01:50:59,960
category, but it it it, it's 
missing some of the standard key

2449
01:50:59,960 --> 01:51:03,880
elements that maybe put it in a 
subcategory rather than the main

2450
01:51:03,880 --> 01:51:06,080
category. 
Taking two very popular 

2451
01:51:06,080 --> 01:51:10,800
examples, The Witcher and The 
Mandalorian, the cub character 

2452
01:51:11,080 --> 01:51:13,840
is in grave danger and 
constantly haunted. 

2453
01:51:14,520 --> 01:51:16,120
That's not really the case with 
Egg, is he? 

2454
01:51:16,240 --> 01:51:19,000
He's it's his identity that 
they're going to conceal. 

2455
01:51:19,520 --> 01:51:21,640
It's not like people are hunting
him, even if they are because of

2456
01:51:21,640 --> 01:51:23,800
the signet ring thing. 
They're not hunting him to kill 

2457
01:51:23,800 --> 01:51:26,800
him, right? 
They're not, He's not in danger 

2458
01:51:26,800 --> 01:51:28,280
in that sense. 
It's not like they're trying to 

2459
01:51:28,280 --> 01:51:33,000
experiment on Grogu or 
experiment on Siri, which in 

2460
01:51:33,000 --> 01:51:35,480
both cases they're trying to do 
like Doctor Mengele stuff to 

2461
01:51:35,480 --> 01:51:37,800
these people, to these 
characters, which is kind of 

2462
01:51:37,800 --> 01:51:39,720
terrifying. 
It's a very thing you really, 

2463
01:51:39,720 --> 01:51:42,440
really want to avoid. 
But for AG, if someone finds out

2464
01:51:42,440 --> 01:51:45,600
he, he's actually willing to 
admit who he is to get out to, 

2465
01:51:45,640 --> 01:51:48,680
to facilitate things here and 
there. 

2466
01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:51,280
So it's it's very different in 
that sense. 

2467
01:51:51,480 --> 01:51:55,080
It's more and it's a little more
classic in terms of mentor 

2468
01:51:55,080 --> 01:51:59,480
mentee, except Egg actually 
teaches Dunk quite a bit too. 

2469
01:51:59,480 --> 01:52:02,280
Dunk actually learns a lot from 
Egg, and that's kind of a a cool

2470
01:52:02,920 --> 01:52:05,040
push back on that standard 
trope. 

2471
01:52:05,320 --> 01:52:08,520
If you want to read about this 
trope, it often is called the 

2472
01:52:08,520 --> 01:52:11,880
Lone Wolf and Cub or Wolf and 
Cub because it's named after 

2473
01:52:11,880 --> 01:52:15,240
this old manga called Lone Wolf 
and Cub, but it's also. 

2474
01:52:15,240 --> 01:52:17,520
If you want to read, the TV 
Tropes page was a great 

2475
01:52:17,520 --> 01:52:21,000
resource. 
Badass and Child duo is the 

2476
01:52:21,000 --> 01:52:25,600
trope it's under, and this is 
where Dunk it also kind of is 

2477
01:52:25,600 --> 01:52:29,360
different from the stroke 
because usually the badass is 

2478
01:52:29,360 --> 01:52:33,160
jaded strong, like silent, you 
know, there there's sometimes a 

2479
01:52:33,160 --> 01:52:37,640
jerk or a little bit darker, you
know, and cynical and Dunk is 

2480
01:52:37,640 --> 01:52:40,880
kind of is not so much that. 
And so I feel that they that he 

2481
01:52:40,880 --> 01:52:43,560
kind of inverts this trope in a 
lot of ways. 

2482
01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:48,240
The child is often female. 
Rarely ever is the badass a 

2483
01:52:48,240 --> 01:52:50,880
woman. 
I'd say one of the only real 

2484
01:52:50,880 --> 01:52:54,720
examples I think of immediately 
is the show Arcane with Jinx and

2485
01:52:54,720 --> 01:52:58,280
and Isha, and it ends in great 
tragedy and kind of also inverts

2486
01:52:58,280 --> 01:52:59,080
it. 
You know Podrick. 

2487
01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:02,080
Brandon, I mean, she's he's not 
a child. 

2488
01:53:02,200 --> 01:53:04,840
He's not a child who's some age 
between infant and like. 

2489
01:53:04,840 --> 01:53:07,840
He's not in a dangerous what? 
Podrick is a child or he's a 

2490
01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:08,880
teen. 
He's like 13. 

2491
01:53:08,880 --> 01:53:12,920
So I I think it's. 
The I would say the Hound and 

2492
01:53:12,920 --> 01:53:17,720
Arya are closer to a badass and 
child duo and the and Ira Parker

2493
01:53:17,720 --> 01:53:21,600
has compared that they're trying
to get that little magic 

2494
01:53:21,600 --> 01:53:23,840
ingredient that that maybe had 
like he was, he's talked about 

2495
01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:26,080
what what made Game of Thrones 
so popular. 

2496
01:53:26,200 --> 01:53:28,440
And to him, one of them was was 
the relationships and 

2497
01:53:28,440 --> 01:53:30,960
specifically he always did like 
Arya and the Hound. 

2498
01:53:31,480 --> 01:53:34,360
But I no, I would not say 
Brandon pod count exactly as 

2499
01:53:34,360 --> 01:53:36,640
that. 
I'd love to hear your favorite 

2500
01:53:36,640 --> 01:53:41,680
examples of badass and child or 
wolf and cub or however you want

2501
01:53:41,680 --> 01:53:43,760
to class it. 
And I'd love to hear more from 

2502
01:53:43,760 --> 01:53:45,480
you guys. 
I do like hearing about trolls. 

2503
01:53:45,480 --> 01:53:50,080
C. 3PO and R2D2. 
I've got one to throw out is, 

2504
01:53:50,520 --> 01:53:52,960
which I think a lot of people 
will chime in with, is Joel and 

2505
01:53:52,960 --> 01:53:54,840
Ellie from The Last of Us. 
Yeah. 

2506
01:53:55,240 --> 01:53:57,360
Yeah, yeah. 
Especially because I mentioned 

2507
01:53:57,360 --> 01:53:58,840
The Mandalorian. 
It's the same actor. 

2508
01:54:00,160 --> 01:54:02,280
And she was in and she was in 
Game of Thrones too. 

2509
01:54:02,280 --> 01:54:04,320
She was too. 
Lana Mormont. 

2510
01:54:04,320 --> 01:54:06,160
Yeah. 
Yeah, that's a great one. 

2511
01:54:06,160 --> 01:54:08,800
That's a really good one. 
Now, As for the wolf cub angle 

2512
01:54:08,800 --> 01:54:13,640
here, the bad ass and child, 
this will change a bit going 

2513
01:54:13,640 --> 01:54:15,480
back to what we just talked 
about when the Golden Company 

2514
01:54:15,480 --> 01:54:19,040
and the Blackfires are back as a
major power, which they're not. 

2515
01:54:19,120 --> 01:54:21,120
They haven't really recovered 
their power at this point in two

2516
01:54:21,120 --> 01:54:22,760
O 9. 
But after the great spring 

2517
01:54:22,760 --> 01:54:25,960
sickness and the drought and a 
few more years go by, they're 

2518
01:54:25,960 --> 01:54:28,640
going to be their their threat 
will loom larger. 

2519
01:54:28,880 --> 01:54:32,200
And that's when maybe Egg's 
identity might matter a bit more

2520
01:54:32,200 --> 01:54:33,680
like it might be more important 
for him to like. 

2521
01:54:33,680 --> 01:54:35,440
There might be black fires out 
there, people black fire 

2522
01:54:35,440 --> 01:54:37,480
sympathizers out there that 
might actually want to capture 

2523
01:54:37,480 --> 01:54:42,720
him or might intend I'll knowing
that there is a reward coming 

2524
01:54:42,720 --> 01:54:46,000
the other way, or at least 
hoping for a war coming the 

2525
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:48,240
other way. 
But that's the thing that will, 

2526
01:54:48,240 --> 01:54:49,640
you know, play out over the long
term. 

2527
01:54:50,200 --> 01:54:52,400
And alongside that, I have a 
question that doesn't have an 

2528
01:54:52,400 --> 01:54:56,600
answer, but I think it's worth 
pondering is will Egg continue 

2529
01:54:56,600 --> 01:55:01,400
wandering with Dunk Incognito? 
Or will there be a point where 

2530
01:55:01,400 --> 01:55:04,800
everyone just kind of knows that
he's there, that he's no longer 

2531
01:55:04,800 --> 01:55:06,520
concealing his identity? 
Will there become that? 

2532
01:55:06,520 --> 01:55:09,120
Will that happen at some point 
where he's just Duncan Egger 

2533
01:55:09,120 --> 01:55:10,800
wandering the seven Kingdoms 
together? 

2534
01:55:10,800 --> 01:55:15,360
But now people know who he is. 
Does that change the dynamic or 

2535
01:55:15,360 --> 01:55:16,640
can they keep operating that 
way? 

2536
01:55:16,640 --> 01:55:19,400
Will they try to operate that 
way for a while and realize it 

2537
01:55:19,400 --> 01:55:20,880
doesn't work because everybody 
knows who he is? 

2538
01:55:20,880 --> 01:55:24,080
And it's like, all right, well, 
Prince Agon, you know, like, oh,

2539
01:55:24,160 --> 01:55:25,200
you're here. 
You know, they can't. 

2540
01:55:25,200 --> 01:55:27,920
It just doesn't work if he's, if
he's out like that, I don't 

2541
01:55:27,920 --> 01:55:30,200
know. 
But it has to end at some point,

2542
01:55:30,720 --> 01:55:32,120
right? 
That's an interesting question 

2543
01:55:32,120 --> 01:55:33,720
and I had never thought about it
before. 

2544
01:55:33,720 --> 01:55:37,680
Because it would, because they 
are both so recognizable. 

2545
01:55:37,680 --> 01:55:41,040
Dunk is so big and tall, and 
Egg, at least right now, is so 

2546
01:55:41,040 --> 01:55:44,560
small with a shaved head. 
And they're going to have some 

2547
01:55:44,560 --> 01:55:46,640
noteworthy stories spread about 
them. 

2548
01:55:47,080 --> 01:55:48,960
They'll probably be an 
intermediate amount of time. 

2549
01:55:48,960 --> 01:55:50,960
Like when you say everyone will 
know. 

2550
01:55:51,520 --> 01:55:54,400
Even if everyone doesn't know, 
even if only 10% of people know,

2551
01:55:54,520 --> 01:55:57,080
that's enough. 
Because you go to the castle, 

2552
01:55:57,200 --> 01:56:00,040
there's 30 people in the castle.
Three of them know. 

2553
01:56:00,200 --> 01:56:03,000
They told the other thirty 
really quickly, you know, so. 

2554
01:56:03,680 --> 01:56:05,040
You don't need a signet ring at 
that point. 

2555
01:56:05,040 --> 01:56:06,520
You're like, no, everybody knows
who you are. 

2556
01:56:06,520 --> 01:56:08,560
Just like, look at my eyes, 
they're purple. 

2557
01:56:09,920 --> 01:56:11,120
Look at him. 
He's tall. 

2558
01:56:11,120 --> 01:56:14,080
Who do you think we are? 
Yeah. 

2559
01:56:14,080 --> 01:56:15,720
So that about. 
The trial of seven, right? 

2560
01:56:15,720 --> 01:56:16,800
Like who? 
What was that? 

2561
01:56:16,880 --> 01:56:17,640
Yeah. 
Exactly. 

2562
01:56:17,640 --> 01:56:18,720
Yeah. 
So they're they're famous. 

2563
01:56:18,720 --> 01:56:21,120
Yeah. 
So, so that's an interesting 

2564
01:56:21,120 --> 01:56:22,200
question. 
Again, like we said, we don't 

2565
01:56:22,200 --> 01:56:24,280
have an answer to that, but 
it's, it's, it's a curious one 

2566
01:56:24,280 --> 01:56:26,320
that that that that they'll 
probably have to tackle at some 

2567
01:56:26,320 --> 01:56:27,960
point. 
Can I say a real world thing 

2568
01:56:27,960 --> 01:56:31,040
I've discovered I I couldn't 
help myself and I was looking at

2569
01:56:31,040 --> 01:56:32,360
the trope stuff. 
Please. 

2570
01:56:32,480 --> 01:56:34,640
Recording. 
Apparently there's a real life 

2571
01:56:34,640 --> 01:56:39,480
example cited on TV Tropes. 
The Soviet War Memorial in 

2572
01:56:39,480 --> 01:56:43,240
Berlin has a statue that kind of
essentially has this trope on 

2573
01:56:43,240 --> 01:56:45,560
it. 
It's a 12m tall soldier with a 

2574
01:56:45,560 --> 01:56:49,080
huge sword in hand holding a 
child on his other hand. 

2575
01:56:49,360 --> 01:56:52,080
And according to the Soviet 
Marshall, the statue 

2576
01:56:52,080 --> 01:56:55,960
commemorates the deeds of 
Sergeant Masilov, who, during 

2577
01:56:55,960 --> 01:56:59,240
the final storm on the center of
Berlin, risked his life under 

2578
01:56:59,240 --> 01:57:02,800
heavy German machine gunfire to 
rescue a three-year old German 

2579
01:57:02,800 --> 01:57:05,920
girl. 
Anyways, it's AI was like real 

2580
01:57:05,920 --> 01:57:07,600
life. 
I was, I clicked on that. 

2581
01:57:07,600 --> 01:57:09,080
I was like, well, what do they 
mean real life? 

2582
01:57:09,160 --> 01:57:12,480
Oh, OK. 
So I had a question. 

2583
01:57:12,480 --> 01:57:17,720
We were wondering if the missing
man moment at the end with Sir 

2584
01:57:17,720 --> 01:57:20,440
Arlen, we were wondering if that
was intentionally meant to 

2585
01:57:20,440 --> 01:57:26,040
parallel the, the that or if it 
was they had another reason for 

2586
01:57:26,040 --> 01:57:27,600
doing it. 
Like actually maybe it was 

2587
01:57:28,120 --> 01:57:30,560
intentionally like the Fast and 
Furious 1 without knowing that 

2588
01:57:30,560 --> 01:57:33,440
it's also a military thing. 
So I texted Team Mikkel about 

2589
01:57:33,440 --> 01:57:35,080
that. 
She just responded. 

2590
01:57:35,240 --> 01:57:36,760
She doesn't know. 
She said I can ask. 

2591
01:57:36,760 --> 01:57:39,800
So maybe we'll have an answer 
for you all later on. 

2592
01:57:39,800 --> 01:57:41,600
What that happened. 
I we we even thought maybe she 

2593
01:57:41,600 --> 01:57:43,240
was the one that wrote that, but
clearly not. 

2594
01:57:43,240 --> 01:57:44,400
Yeah, because she's Americans. 
Really. 

2595
01:57:44,400 --> 01:57:45,360
Well, maybe. 
I don't know. 

2596
01:57:45,800 --> 01:57:48,080
Yeah. 
So anyway, maybe more, maybe 

2597
01:57:48,080 --> 01:57:50,960
more to comment on that. 
We'll, we'll keep keep our keep 

2598
01:57:51,200 --> 01:57:52,840
researching that one or keep 
digging on that one. 

2599
01:57:53,480 --> 01:57:56,680
Turning to fishing the egg Aryan
fishing bit. 

2600
01:57:56,680 --> 01:58:01,120
And what I mean by that, if you 
missed it, is Aryan was said to 

2601
01:58:01,120 --> 01:58:04,800
be into fishing by Deron as of 
like a nice mundane way to show 

2602
01:58:04,800 --> 01:58:06,960
that he wasn't always so crazy 
and cruel. 

2603
01:58:07,440 --> 01:58:10,440
And we also found out earlier or
it was revealed earlier, the egg

2604
01:58:10,440 --> 01:58:12,600
is into fishing. 
So it's kind of like, oh, is 

2605
01:58:12,600 --> 01:58:14,360
that meant to be? 
Oh, they're on the same path. 

2606
01:58:14,360 --> 01:58:15,960
Is that a little kind of a dark 
hint? 

2607
01:58:16,360 --> 01:58:19,520
So egg is a Targaryen. 
If he doesn't go mad later, 

2608
01:58:19,520 --> 01:58:22,720
maybe he will go a little mad, 
or maybe he will seem to go mad 

2609
01:58:22,720 --> 01:58:25,520
and isn't, and that creates this
interesting scenario where 

2610
01:58:25,520 --> 01:58:27,160
people think he's mad but we all
see. 

2611
01:58:27,440 --> 01:58:31,000
Small folk, he must be mad. 
Yeah, like that's a very 

2612
01:58:31,000 --> 01:58:33,720
straightforward way for it to 
happen or for it to like people 

2613
01:58:33,720 --> 01:58:36,160
say that about him. 
It's not true, but people might 

2614
01:58:36,160 --> 01:58:38,200
believe it. 
I'll make and it could both be 

2615
01:58:38,200 --> 01:58:39,880
true. 
He might be a little mad and be 

2616
01:58:39,880 --> 01:58:41,920
pro small folk too. 
Like it could both be true. 

2617
01:58:42,040 --> 01:58:44,840
It's a little I don't know but 
like this seems possible to do 

2618
01:58:44,840 --> 01:58:46,000
both I. 
Have a smear campaign. 

2619
01:58:46,000 --> 01:58:50,000
Also, yeah, Zach was going to 
say he could not be mad at all, 

2620
01:58:50,000 --> 01:58:53,320
but people could say that he is 
and once people think he is, see

2621
01:58:53,320 --> 01:58:56,320
certain things he does and. 
Then they kind of self 

2622
01:58:56,320 --> 01:58:58,000
fulfilling. 
Yeah. 

2623
01:58:58,400 --> 01:58:59,400
And this is something 
interesting. 

2624
01:58:59,400 --> 01:59:01,000
We're not, we don't know. 
We're not trying to predict 

2625
01:59:01,000 --> 01:59:02,720
specific symptoms that egg will 
have. 

2626
01:59:02,720 --> 01:59:06,000
Rather, I want to acknowledge 
that this is something that they

2627
01:59:06,000 --> 01:59:08,480
have to plan for and George 
almost certainly already has. 

2628
01:59:08,480 --> 01:59:12,040
Like George hasn't written, you 
know, all these stories, but he 

2629
01:59:12,040 --> 01:59:14,960
has an end point in mind. 
He knows what happened at 

2630
01:59:14,960 --> 01:59:16,880
Summerall. 
I'm sure there's a few things 

2631
01:59:16,880 --> 01:59:20,760
not settled on, but he has. 
This isn't the five year gap 

2632
01:59:20,760 --> 01:59:22,840
situation where he's going to 
have to make a big change to his

2633
01:59:22,840 --> 01:59:24,960
plan. 
Well, maybe it is, but it's this

2634
01:59:24,960 --> 01:59:28,240
show isn't likely to get lost in
the scope of its own scale and 

2635
01:59:28,240 --> 01:59:30,440
size of production like Game of 
Thrones did. 

2636
01:59:31,000 --> 01:59:33,960
Can I speak to that with some 
quotes from Ira Parker, from 

2637
01:59:33,960 --> 01:59:36,800
interviews that are relevant? 
One, as we've talked about 

2638
01:59:36,800 --> 01:59:42,680
before, he has gotten outlines 
for 12 more stories beyond the 

2639
01:59:42,680 --> 01:59:45,480
three we have. 
And so one, this is from The 

2640
01:59:45,480 --> 01:59:49,680
Hollywood Reporter interview. 
He said, I would say HBO's plan 

2641
01:59:49,680 --> 01:59:51,880
is for us to do the three 
novellas and that's it. 

2642
01:59:52,120 --> 01:59:56,640
But I would do 12 of these. 
I would do 4 now, then four more

2643
01:59:56,680 --> 02:00:00,840
10 years from now, and then four
more 10 years after that. 

2644
02:00:01,000 --> 02:00:02,920
Take them all the way through 
their lives. 

2645
02:00:02,920 --> 02:00:05,240
Just like a Richard Linklater's 
boyhood. 

2646
02:00:05,240 --> 02:00:07,240
He compares it to beautiful 
concept. 

2647
02:00:07,240 --> 02:00:09,360
Love it. 
And then to go on, this is an 

2648
02:00:09,360 --> 02:00:11,400
interview that he did with 
Polygon. 

2649
02:00:11,880 --> 02:00:16,240
He says George and I have talked
very loosely, but if it ever 

2650
02:00:16,240 --> 02:00:19,840
came to that, which is going 
past Season 3, we would just go 

2651
02:00:19,840 --> 02:00:22,280
through and break seasons 
together. 

2652
02:00:22,480 --> 02:00:26,120
That he has a lot of ideas and 
we can bounce ideas off of each 

2653
02:00:26,120 --> 02:00:28,280
other. 
Obviously I don't want to take 

2654
02:00:28,280 --> 02:00:31,880
him away too long from his day 
job, but it's amazing how much 

2655
02:00:31,880 --> 02:00:35,200
can be accomplished in a quick 
amount of time with him and a 

2656
02:00:35,200 --> 02:00:37,880
couple of his favorite authors 
in the room. 

2657
02:00:38,240 --> 02:00:41,920
We were pretty good for season 
1, so I think we could continue 

2658
02:00:41,920 --> 02:00:43,880
that and come up with some good 
stuff. 

2659
02:00:43,880 --> 02:00:46,720
And I want to note that one of 
the authors in the in that 

2660
02:00:46,720 --> 02:00:50,120
Summit, Writer Summit that they 
did to break the story was Lev 

2661
02:00:50,120 --> 02:00:52,640
Grossman. 
But as Lev Grossman confirmed on

2662
02:00:52,640 --> 02:00:56,080
social media, it was cited as a 
consultant. 

2663
02:00:56,320 --> 02:00:58,200
And God, now I can't remember 
the other author. 

2664
02:00:58,200 --> 02:01:00,360
I know a second author. 
I feel bad that I oh. 

2665
02:01:00,360 --> 02:01:02,240
I forgot to I would have shout 
out Lev. 

2666
02:01:02,280 --> 02:01:04,920
I happened to have read a Lev 
Grossman book just last year, 

2667
02:01:04,920 --> 02:01:06,760
The Bright Sword. 
It's a it's a great book. 

2668
02:01:06,760 --> 02:01:10,360
It's a Arthurian story that's 
got some nice twists, is 

2669
02:01:10,360 --> 02:01:13,840
recommended by our good friend 
Mateo Barbagala, who was The Who

2670
02:01:13,840 --> 02:01:17,640
ran the Casseras City of Dragons
event that we went to two years 

2671
02:01:17,640 --> 02:01:19,200
ago. 
And yeah. 

2672
02:01:19,880 --> 02:01:20,640
Yeah. 
So that was one of the 

2673
02:01:20,640 --> 02:01:23,560
consultants. 
And so if they go going forward,

2674
02:01:23,560 --> 02:01:26,040
they would have other of 
George's authors that are 

2675
02:01:26,040 --> 02:01:28,400
available that he likes in the 
room to help break it. 

2676
02:01:28,400 --> 02:01:30,760
And that's pretty cool to to 
hear about. 

2677
02:01:30,760 --> 02:01:33,960
And I think a good concept, 
although it's still awfully 

2678
02:01:33,960 --> 02:01:37,440
ambitious, I would say. 
I would, yeah, I would say they 

2679
02:01:37,440 --> 02:01:38,360
have to. 
That's funny. 

2680
02:01:38,600 --> 02:01:43,200
I would say they need to break 
these stories more in advance if

2681
02:01:43,200 --> 02:01:45,520
they're doing that, Like they 
should break many seasons 

2682
02:01:45,520 --> 02:01:47,880
together. 
But you know, that's for them to

2683
02:01:48,040 --> 02:01:49,680
deal with, Yeah. 
It's an interesting, interesting

2684
02:01:49,680 --> 02:01:52,640
thing, but it's I'm sure we, it 
looks like we have reasons for 

2685
02:01:52,640 --> 02:01:54,440
optimism. 
I think they'll think they'll 

2686
02:01:54,440 --> 02:01:58,120
figure it out. 22 quick thoughts
on that that the reference to 

2687
02:01:58,160 --> 02:02:00,960
Linklater's boyhood. 
He filmed that over like 14 

2688
02:02:00,960 --> 02:02:03,760
years or something. 
He knew who's filming this boy 

2689
02:02:03,760 --> 02:02:06,600
grow up kind of in real life, 
but kind of the story is 

2690
02:02:06,600 --> 02:02:08,760
writing. 
But but but so that extended 

2691
02:02:08,760 --> 02:02:12,480
amount of time and talking 
about, you know, 3 episodes and 

2692
02:02:12,480 --> 02:02:15,360
10 years later, 3 episodes and 
10 years later, 3 episodes, 

2693
02:02:15,360 --> 02:02:18,320
you're 40 years. 
It reminds me in bottle rocket, 

2694
02:02:18,320 --> 02:02:21,600
the Wes Anderson's first movie, 
when Owen Wilson's character had

2695
02:02:21,600 --> 02:02:24,320
this little notebook and he was 
making his seventy year plan, 

2696
02:02:25,000 --> 02:02:29,640
you know, not like a five year 
plan, a 70 year plan mapped out.

2697
02:02:29,640 --> 02:02:31,640
So map it out, George. 
Map it out. 

2698
02:02:31,640 --> 02:02:34,400
However, do it. 
So just returning real quick to 

2699
02:02:34,400 --> 02:02:36,600
the fishing bid, like there's a,
there's a number of ways they 

2700
02:02:36,600 --> 02:02:39,160
can build on that. 
Like they can have egg fishing 

2701
02:02:39,160 --> 02:02:40,960
again and we can be like, oh, 
there's the fishing. 

2702
02:02:41,280 --> 02:02:43,800
Remind us again, if people maybe
didn't catch that, they could 

2703
02:02:43,800 --> 02:02:45,160
show it again. 
He could be wearing his floppy 

2704
02:02:45,160 --> 02:02:47,320
straw hat when it happens too, 
You know, can dunk and dunk 

2705
02:02:47,320 --> 02:02:50,040
maybe like, oh, fishing because 
dunk maybe didn't make that 

2706
02:02:50,040 --> 02:02:51,640
catch that we did. 
He's dunk. 

2707
02:02:52,200 --> 02:02:55,040
He's not necessarily going to 
make catches like that, but it 

2708
02:02:55,040 --> 02:02:57,960
might occur to him later. 
I had a little section here on 

2709
02:02:57,960 --> 02:03:00,600
flashbacks, future flashbacks. 
We pretty much covered all of 

2710
02:03:00,600 --> 02:03:02,560
everything that I have written 
here, but I want to mention it 

2711
02:03:02,840 --> 02:03:06,120
to give you all an opportunity 
to make suggestions to us on 

2712
02:03:06,120 --> 02:03:09,960
what you think we might get in 
terms of flashbacks in the 

2713
02:03:09,960 --> 02:03:13,360
future future, not not just 
season 2, although that's a an 

2714
02:03:13,360 --> 02:03:16,920
obvious one to to think hardly 
about a hard on hard, hard. 

2715
02:03:17,120 --> 02:03:19,960
I can't say this right. 
Anyway, season 3 as well, the 

2716
02:03:19,960 --> 02:03:22,760
mystery night, imagining what 
kind of flashbacks they could 

2717
02:03:22,760 --> 02:03:27,520
insert into that story. 
Yeah, so you know, we know that 

2718
02:03:27,800 --> 02:03:30,920
the whole we know what a Shaya 
said quoted about Ira Parker and

2719
02:03:30,920 --> 02:03:32,920
Sir Arlen. 
He won't be in season 2 

2720
02:03:32,920 --> 02:03:35,200
apparently, but maybe he will be
in season 3, maybe four, who 

2721
02:03:35,200 --> 02:03:37,040
knows? 
So we don't it's not clear. 

2722
02:03:37,520 --> 02:03:40,680
But one thing that could happen 
in future seasons is we could 

2723
02:03:40,680 --> 02:03:42,640
get flashbacks of Season 1. 
Yes. 

2724
02:03:42,960 --> 02:03:44,800
That's something that maybe 
people haven't thought about as 

2725
02:03:44,800 --> 02:03:47,400
much is that we can get 
flashbacks of this show within 

2726
02:03:47,400 --> 02:03:50,720
it once it goes farther. 
One of things we saw and two of 

2727
02:03:50,720 --> 02:03:52,520
things we didn't see. 
Right. 

2728
02:03:52,800 --> 02:03:56,000
Like those are two options and 
we have seen flashbacks already 

2729
02:03:56,000 --> 02:03:58,480
of things that happened in the 
show because you know that we 

2730
02:03:58,480 --> 02:04:00,560
can see a. 
Flashback of the conversation 

2731
02:04:00,560 --> 02:04:03,040
egg and make our hat about meet 
me in the morning I'll give you 

2732
02:04:03,040 --> 02:04:04,920
the ring and da da da da da. 
Yeah, and they'll say, yeah, 

2733
02:04:04,920 --> 02:04:07,320
it'll be, it'll happen, right? 
It's like you show up with the 

2734
02:04:07,320 --> 02:04:10,640
ring, but if you get there early
you'll see Dunk describe the 

2735
02:04:10,640 --> 02:04:14,720
time he got knighted. 
Well, I'd also like to say I 

2736
02:04:14,720 --> 02:04:19,160
expect we'll see a montage in 
Season 2 has kind of been my 

2737
02:04:19,160 --> 02:04:22,400
expectation for the best way 
that they could show the Dorn 

2738
02:04:22,400 --> 02:04:26,080
stuff or flashbacks. 
Is that told as a flash? 

2739
02:04:26,080 --> 02:04:28,440
But you know what I mean? 
Like that is a flashback or is 

2740
02:04:28,440 --> 02:04:31,640
it portrayed to us not as a 
flashback, but this is what 

2741
02:04:31,640 --> 02:04:32,720
they're doing. 
You know, you see the 

2742
02:04:32,720 --> 02:04:34,480
distinction, right? 
Like there is a difference 

2743
02:04:34,480 --> 02:04:37,160
between that. 
When we talked about the idea of

2744
02:04:37,160 --> 02:04:41,760
there might be less flashbacks, 
but what if a montage it's only 

2745
02:04:42,400 --> 02:04:46,360
you might have like 14 images 
over 10 seconds, but that's 

2746
02:04:46,360 --> 02:04:48,560
still just one flashback or 
it's. 

2747
02:04:49,160 --> 02:04:51,680
Not a flashback at all. 
If it starts to show out and 

2748
02:04:51,680 --> 02:04:54,000
that's it's not a you know what 
I mean, Consider. 

2749
02:04:54,000 --> 02:04:55,520
This too. 
Like consider the flashbacks in 

2750
02:04:55,520 --> 02:04:57,720
episode 1. 
They were like less than a 

2751
02:04:57,720 --> 02:04:59,720
second at a time. 
It was like you never beat me 

2752
02:04:59,720 --> 02:05:01,440
unless I deserved it. 
Bam bam bam. 

2753
02:05:01,440 --> 02:05:03,320
Like those were so quick and 
they'll but that's three 

2754
02:05:03,320 --> 02:05:06,640
flashbacks, you know, in like. 3
seconds one. 

2755
02:05:06,720 --> 02:05:08,920
Maybe it was just one. 
Yeah, well, no, they were all 

2756
02:05:08,920 --> 02:05:10,320
three different. 
I mean you can count it as a 

2757
02:05:10,320 --> 02:05:11,560
scene with multiple. 
People, but they were a 

2758
02:05:11,560 --> 02:05:13,000
different age, a different. 
Actor. 

2759
02:05:13,000 --> 02:05:14,560
Yeah, yeah. 
Because when it was actually 

2760
02:05:14,800 --> 02:05:16,440
Peter Claffey and others were 
Bamboo Todd. 

2761
02:05:16,880 --> 02:05:17,760
Yeah. 
And they were different 

2762
02:05:17,760 --> 02:05:19,120
locations. 
So it's like, yeah, that's what 

2763
02:05:19,120 --> 02:05:20,920
I'm like. 
That's the ultimate extreme of a

2764
02:05:20,920 --> 02:05:22,120
flashback that's less than a 
second. 

2765
02:05:22,120 --> 02:05:25,640
And there's several in one 
moment almost where as you could

2766
02:05:25,640 --> 02:05:29,600
have Sir Sir Eustis just waxing 
about the Black Fire rebellion 

2767
02:05:29,600 --> 02:05:32,240
and have a good 10 minute 
flashback maybe. 

2768
02:05:32,280 --> 02:05:36,240
My my question is I I think I 
could see them playing it 

2769
02:05:36,240 --> 02:05:38,760
straight and just having 
flashbacks of the Blackfyre 

2770
02:05:38,760 --> 02:05:42,440
rebellion that Eustaces telling.
I I wonder if there's a way they

2771
02:05:42,440 --> 02:05:47,040
can do it more comedically with 
more clever editing. 

2772
02:05:47,200 --> 02:05:50,200
And it may people would be 
disappointed if it perhaps 

2773
02:05:50,200 --> 02:05:54,240
wasn't as bombastic and 
action-packed, but I I wonder if

2774
02:05:54,240 --> 02:05:58,160
there's room for them to do 
things different than we're 

2775
02:05:58,160 --> 02:06:00,800
expecting in terms of Eustace 
telling the story. 

2776
02:06:01,040 --> 02:06:05,520
You know, like maybe when Dunk 
is imagining Damon Blackfyre 

2777
02:06:05,520 --> 02:06:08,240
fighting Gwen Corbray, they 
could just have big smiley faces

2778
02:06:08,240 --> 02:06:10,480
on their, you know, and yeah, 
but they can have they can be 

2779
02:06:10,480 --> 02:06:13,400
dressed as clowns and. 
That's that extreme, but you do 

2780
02:06:13,400 --> 02:06:15,640
see the point that when he 
pictures it, he can picture it 

2781
02:06:15,640 --> 02:06:19,360
to be much more like the story 
being told and not reality so 

2782
02:06:19,440 --> 02:06:22,720
glamorized in this. 
Crazy way Dunk's POV, he's 

2783
02:06:22,720 --> 02:06:25,960
filtering what Sir Eustis tells 
him and he's imagining what he's

2784
02:06:25,960 --> 02:06:27,120
here, you know? 
What I'm picturing? 

2785
02:06:27,120 --> 02:06:29,800
It's part of. 
I'm picturing kind of like what 

2786
02:06:29,800 --> 02:06:33,040
they do in Drunk History or it's
Florida Man, you know what I 

2787
02:06:33,040 --> 02:06:34,800
mean? 
You know, like, like the, the 

2788
02:06:34,880 --> 02:06:37,040
Eustis is talking. 
It's coming out of the 

2789
02:06:37,040 --> 02:06:38,200
character's voice. 
You know what? 

2790
02:06:38,200 --> 02:06:38,520
Yeah. 
Like. 

2791
02:06:38,520 --> 02:06:40,040
It's a reenactment, not a. 
Flashback. 

2792
02:06:40,040 --> 02:06:41,760
Yeah. 
A reenactment type of flashback 

2793
02:06:41,760 --> 02:06:43,840
could be a way to go. 
Yeah. 

2794
02:06:43,840 --> 02:06:46,640
And they could save budget 
because if it's able to look a 

2795
02:06:46,640 --> 02:06:49,040
little cheesier, that could be 
fun. 

2796
02:06:49,040 --> 02:06:52,240
I don't know. 
But of course, we, we people 

2797
02:06:52,240 --> 02:06:55,640
will complain if we see Damon 
Blackfire and Bitter Steel and 

2798
02:06:55,640 --> 02:06:57,720
Blood Raven and they're they 
don't look as cool as possible. 

2799
02:06:57,720 --> 02:06:58,840
So I don't know. 
Maybe I don't know. 

2800
02:06:58,840 --> 02:07:00,440
I don't know. 
It's tough, it could look 

2801
02:07:00,440 --> 02:07:02,920
possible but still speak with 
Eustis voice. 

2802
02:07:03,840 --> 02:07:07,400
And then blood, Raven said. 
You know, And then it's just his

2803
02:07:07,400 --> 02:07:08,960
voice coming out. 
Right, like it's like Blood 

2804
02:07:08,960 --> 02:07:13,640
Ravens actual voice sounds like.
I am Hand of the King, you. 

2805
02:07:13,640 --> 02:07:15,360
Might think of respect. 
To my authority. 

2806
02:07:16,440 --> 02:07:18,800
Was he useless when he was on a 
story? 

2807
02:07:18,800 --> 02:07:19,960
I wish I could remember that a 
little. 

2808
02:07:20,080 --> 02:07:22,000
Bit he drunk a lot, he is drunk 
sometimes. 

2809
02:07:22,000 --> 02:07:23,320
I don't think all of them, but 
yeah, some. 

2810
02:07:23,320 --> 02:07:26,040
Of them they could have a quick 
history vibe right? 

2811
02:07:26,040 --> 02:07:27,800
It's blurred his Peach and you 
should. 

2812
02:07:28,000 --> 02:07:29,360
Blood Raven. 
Blood Ravens. 

2813
02:07:29,640 --> 02:07:31,680
Have you watched boys come? 
Through a single episode of It's

2814
02:07:31,680 --> 02:07:34,360
Florida Man. 
I have, I've seen clips, I know 

2815
02:07:34,360 --> 02:07:36,680
what it is, but. 
Yeah, 1 episode I think we get 

2816
02:07:37,200 --> 02:07:40,120
it's very Drunk History, but has
a certain other tone to it, 

2817
02:07:40,120 --> 02:07:42,720
which I think is is kind of 
resonant with this. 

2818
02:07:43,080 --> 02:07:45,240
OK, let's have some some quotes 
directly from Ira. 

2819
02:07:45,240 --> 02:07:46,920
We already had a few of them 
throughout the episode. 

2820
02:07:46,920 --> 02:07:48,760
We had a bunch of them pulled 
and and a few of them we were 

2821
02:07:48,760 --> 02:07:51,280
able to use during the episode 
because it came up as to the 

2822
02:07:51,280 --> 02:07:53,120
topic we were discussing. 
But here's a few others. 

2823
02:07:53,440 --> 02:07:57,400
This first one, some of us 
thought there was some clarity, 

2824
02:07:57,400 --> 02:07:59,920
but IRA's gone pushing back. 
Actually, George is the one 

2825
02:07:59,920 --> 02:08:02,000
pushing back here, but IRA's the
one talking about it. 

2826
02:08:02,640 --> 02:08:05,040
Regarding the question if Dunk 
was knighted or not, well, 

2827
02:08:05,040 --> 02:08:07,240
here's what Ira Parker had to 
say, because the interviewer 

2828
02:08:07,240 --> 02:08:09,800
said, oh, looks like you made 
that clear, Dunk wasn't knighted

2829
02:08:10,200 --> 02:08:12,200
and here's IRA's response. 
Yeah, OK. 

2830
02:08:12,200 --> 02:08:15,640
I'm glad he said this because it
is definitely ambiguous, crazy 

2831
02:08:15,640 --> 02:08:18,000
interpretation from the 
interviewer, but OK. 

2832
02:08:18,480 --> 02:08:21,520
It's fascinating to me that 
that's what you got out of that 

2833
02:08:21,520 --> 02:08:24,680
scene. 
At that moment, Dunk had never 

2834
02:08:24,680 --> 02:08:28,080
been knighted by Sir Arlen. 
He says, why did you never 

2835
02:08:28,080 --> 02:08:31,040
knight me? 
And then Sir Arlen dies and we 

2836
02:08:31,040 --> 02:08:33,440
think it's over, but then he's 
back. 

2837
02:08:33,440 --> 02:08:37,080
And as far as we know, the 
continuation of that scene is, 

2838
02:08:37,280 --> 02:08:40,320
boy, go get me my sword, and 
then he Knights him. 

2839
02:08:40,560 --> 02:08:44,280
There is no confirmation one way
or the other coming out of that 

2840
02:08:44,280 --> 02:08:47,280
scene. 
That's exactly how Mr. RR Martin

2841
02:08:47,280 --> 02:08:50,600
requested it. 
It remains ambiguous and people 

2842
02:08:50,600 --> 02:08:54,240
can decide for themselves. 
Look, Danny Webb is a fucking 

2843
02:08:54,240 --> 02:08:56,200
magician. 
I love him so much. 

2844
02:08:56,320 --> 02:09:00,000
He just became Arlit. 
It could have been no one else 

2845
02:09:00,000 --> 02:09:02,280
in this whole world. 
He was just pitch perfect all 

2846
02:09:02,280 --> 02:09:05,960
the way up until his death. 
This whole journey is going to 

2847
02:09:05,960 --> 02:09:09,480
be about what makes a true 
knight, whether or not you're 

2848
02:09:09,480 --> 02:09:13,880
given the title or if you have 
to earn the title even after 

2849
02:09:13,880 --> 02:09:17,080
you're given it. 
Can you earn it even if you've 

2850
02:09:17,080 --> 02:09:20,040
never been given it? 
I mean, like are like, I was 

2851
02:09:20,040 --> 02:09:22,480
saying all the right things and 
Ira knows Dunk was never 

2852
02:09:22,480 --> 02:09:24,480
knighted, but it has to be 
ambiguous. 

2853
02:09:24,760 --> 02:09:26,280
It's just. 
Yeah, because that's the point, 

2854
02:09:26,280 --> 02:09:27,320
right, If you. 
Know that what do? 

2855
02:09:28,120 --> 02:09:30,680
You because like right, yeah, 
the point isn't the title. 

2856
02:09:30,680 --> 02:09:32,840
The point is the deeds. 
It's the deeds, not the title 

2857
02:09:32,840 --> 02:09:35,840
that is the like. 
That's a big message that I 

2858
02:09:35,840 --> 02:09:38,000
think is somewhat 
straightforward once you get 

2859
02:09:38,000 --> 02:09:41,000
into it. 
If not from the get go, if they.

2860
02:09:41,040 --> 02:09:43,800
Ever give a clear answer to that
question? 

2861
02:09:44,280 --> 02:09:47,560
It it removes the question they 
he just won't he just. 

2862
02:09:47,560 --> 02:09:51,840
The mystery is what matters. 
Maybe in book 9 when dunks enter

2863
02:09:51,840 --> 02:09:53,600
the king. 
Like I could see maybe at some 

2864
02:09:53,600 --> 02:09:57,200
point years in the future of 
both the story and real life, 

2865
02:09:57,200 --> 02:10:00,120
but at this point in the. 
First, the first. 

2866
02:10:00,200 --> 02:10:01,760
Book being put on? 
No, wait, it's too. 

2867
02:10:01,760 --> 02:10:02,960
Early. 
Yeah, good point. 

2868
02:10:02,960 --> 02:10:03,600
Good point. 
Yeah. 

2869
02:10:03,800 --> 02:10:05,120
So yeah, I I wrote that here 
too. 

2870
02:10:05,120 --> 02:10:07,600
It's like, yeah, forever. 
I don't know, maybe, maybe it 

2871
02:10:07,600 --> 02:10:08,960
could be a plot far in the 
future. 

2872
02:10:08,960 --> 02:10:11,360
But I agree if it for him to 
feel right, like he might be 

2873
02:10:11,360 --> 02:10:14,520
unsettled by a thing that a lot 
of people bring up is a plot 

2874
02:10:14,520 --> 02:10:16,360
point or possibility. 
Possible theory is that it's 

2875
02:10:16,360 --> 02:10:18,640
when he goes to join the 
Kingsguard that he's like, wait,

2876
02:10:19,320 --> 02:10:21,160
I got to be knighted, This is 
too much. 

2877
02:10:21,160 --> 02:10:22,520
I got to be knighted before I do
this. 

2878
02:10:22,520 --> 02:10:24,280
Before it wasn't hurting anybody
else. 

2879
02:10:24,280 --> 02:10:26,760
Now I'm like, it's this is going
too far. 

2880
02:10:26,760 --> 02:10:29,960
This is crossing a line that I 
didn't intend to cross at first.

2881
02:10:30,280 --> 02:10:33,280
Maybe not though, you know, 
maybe not though, because if 

2882
02:10:33,280 --> 02:10:35,400
they want to keep it ambiguous, 
then, well, yeah, anyway. 

2883
02:10:35,840 --> 02:10:39,400
So here's the next one. 
Interviewer says you also have a

2884
02:10:39,400 --> 02:10:41,720
subtle moment connecting Dunk 
and Brienne of Tarth. 

2885
02:10:41,880 --> 02:10:45,000
And I love that you not only did
that, but also shot at the same 

2886
02:10:45,000 --> 02:10:47,760
location. 
How did all of that come about? 

2887
02:10:47,760 --> 02:10:49,760
Was that something you'd always 
wanted to include? 

2888
02:10:50,240 --> 02:10:52,560
Did that come up later? 
And to be clear, before the OR 

2889
02:10:52,560 --> 02:10:55,360
share reads the quote, the same 
location, meaning the leaning 

2890
02:10:55,360 --> 02:10:58,920
trees spot outside of King's 
Landing where Dunk where Brienne

2891
02:10:58,920 --> 02:11:01,800
and Padre had a walk. 
We first saw that, I think, with

2892
02:11:01,800 --> 02:11:05,240
Arya in Season 1, but it's a 
this is the third time we've 

2893
02:11:05,240 --> 02:11:07,040
seen it in a Game of Thrones 
show. 

2894
02:11:07,960 --> 02:11:10,440
That came up later. 
That actually came up in our 

2895
02:11:10,440 --> 02:11:12,720
reshoots. 
That was a scene that we had 

2896
02:11:12,720 --> 02:11:15,720
early on that came out for 
budget reasons but then went 

2897
02:11:15,720 --> 02:11:17,600
back in due to cutting too 
deeply. 

2898
02:11:17,920 --> 02:11:20,800
We were looking for the 
original, original spot where 

2899
02:11:20,800 --> 02:11:22,960
they did the very first of those
walks. 

2900
02:11:23,200 --> 02:11:26,840
But those trees had become a bit
of a Belfast landmark and had 

2901
02:11:26,840 --> 02:11:30,400
actually been destroyed a little
bit just by all the tourism. 

2902
02:11:30,680 --> 02:11:36,000
And so even the original series 
had to go in Season 3 or 4 for 

2903
02:11:36,000 --> 02:11:39,480
the Brienne and Pod Walk, had to
go to a different spot that 

2904
02:11:39,480 --> 02:11:43,280
looked a lot like it and use 
that because they couldn't use 

2905
02:11:43,280 --> 02:11:45,720
the original. 
So we went to that one. 

2906
02:11:45,840 --> 02:11:49,280
It just seemed perfect. 
I loved it when I found out that

2907
02:11:49,280 --> 02:11:52,360
we could get there and do that. 
That's exactly the vibe that we 

2908
02:11:52,360 --> 02:11:55,440
were going for. 
I love that image of the trees 

2909
02:11:55,440 --> 02:11:58,280
touching over the street. 
That's something that feels very

2910
02:11:58,280 --> 02:12:01,760
special to me about Dunk and his
great, great, great 

2911
02:12:01,760 --> 02:12:05,920
granddaughter, whoever it is 
walking along the same Rd. 

2912
02:12:06,120 --> 02:12:10,160
I think season 1 is a lot about 
what we passed down to the next 

2913
02:12:10,160 --> 02:12:12,960
generation. 
We have father to son, we have 

2914
02:12:12,960 --> 02:12:15,640
night to Squire, we have master 
to apprentice. 

2915
02:12:15,840 --> 02:12:20,200
And so it felt very within our 
motifs or themes for the season.

2916
02:12:20,200 --> 02:12:24,360
So yeah, we've been to the the 
one that that has been ransacked

2917
02:12:24,360 --> 02:12:26,120
by Torres. 
We are some of the tourists that

2918
02:12:26,120 --> 02:12:27,080
went there. 
Did you nail? 

2919
02:12:27,160 --> 02:12:30,280
A penny to it, huh? 
I did not nail a penny to it. 

2920
02:12:30,280 --> 02:12:32,120
No, I did not do. 
Well, that's something. 

2921
02:12:32,880 --> 02:12:36,760
But yeah, and this is honestly 
Tyrion's quote that echoes what 

2922
02:12:36,760 --> 02:12:39,240
Ira is saying here. 
It fits oddly even better 

2923
02:12:39,240 --> 02:12:42,480
because of the the connection to
the hedge knight. 

2924
02:12:42,480 --> 02:12:46,360
He says that we're all puppets 
dancing on the strings of those 

2925
02:12:46,360 --> 02:12:48,480
who came before us. 
So obviously the puppet 

2926
02:12:48,680 --> 02:12:50,160
reference is what I'm going for 
here. 

2927
02:12:50,400 --> 02:12:54,240
As a as a nice commonality, 
shall we say, As Egg would put 

2928
02:12:54,240 --> 02:12:58,320
it, that's a commonality. 
You're both gigantic. 

2929
02:12:58,760 --> 02:13:00,400
Yeah. 
So yeah, we've been like Ashea 

2930
02:13:00,400 --> 02:13:01,760
said, we've been there taking 
some great pictures. 

2931
02:13:01,760 --> 02:13:04,840
That is a really nice spot. 
I recommend it to y'all even 

2932
02:13:04,840 --> 02:13:08,480
though yeah the tourism is made 
it not quite as nice as it. 

2933
02:13:08,480 --> 02:13:10,600
Used to be share where this 
other spot is, yeah. 

2934
02:13:10,960 --> 02:13:12,480
People will ruin that one too. 
Yeah. 

2935
02:13:13,920 --> 02:13:17,320
So returning briefly to the 
subject of the boot, there's 

2936
02:13:17,320 --> 02:13:19,240
been a couple of different 
things that Ira said about it. 

2937
02:13:19,240 --> 02:13:22,160
He's sort of said they haven't 
decided how to resolve it, but 

2938
02:13:22,160 --> 02:13:26,240
they also he's also kind of said
that they have it well in hand, 

2939
02:13:26,240 --> 02:13:28,480
like maybe they haven't picked 
precisely how they're, but maybe

2940
02:13:28,480 --> 02:13:31,240
they it sounds like they have a 
lot of ideas, all of which work,

2941
02:13:31,240 --> 02:13:33,120
but they just haven't picked 
which one. 

2942
02:13:33,840 --> 02:13:36,280
As we've said it, it doesn't 
seem very complicated. 

2943
02:13:36,280 --> 02:13:38,320
It doesn't seem like it's going 
to have some butterfly effect, 

2944
02:13:38,320 --> 02:13:42,080
at least not a significant 1. 
So anyway, here is basically 

2945
02:13:42,080 --> 02:13:45,000
what he said about it all. 
Yeah, you could tell he also 

2946
02:13:45,000 --> 02:13:47,960
thought it wouldn't be a big 
deal because he says here, he 

2947
02:13:47,960 --> 02:13:51,840
says he wrote the he Parker said
he wrote that scene to be tongue

2948
02:13:51,840 --> 02:13:56,160
in cheek quote, only for half of
the people at HBO to take it 

2949
02:13:56,160 --> 02:14:00,360
quite seriously and probably 
half of my writing room, too. 

2950
02:14:00,800 --> 02:14:03,040
It was just like, no, what do 
you mean? 

2951
02:14:03,120 --> 02:14:06,400
We've got to answer it now, the 
showrunner added. 

2952
02:14:06,520 --> 02:14:09,680
We've actually gone through a 
lot of iterations on how to deal

2953
02:14:09,680 --> 02:14:14,760
with that, and so far we've 
landed on my favorite one, which

2954
02:14:14,760 --> 02:14:18,520
is being addressed with 
hopefully a light touch and also

2955
02:14:18,680 --> 02:14:21,840
a little bit of a dark humor as 
well. 

2956
02:14:22,040 --> 02:14:24,960
So yeah, it'll be played for 
comedy, it seems. 

2957
02:14:25,280 --> 02:14:26,960
Darkly. 
But it will be. 

2958
02:14:26,960 --> 02:14:31,320
Addressed in the dark and light.
Light touch, dark humor, little 

2959
02:14:31,320 --> 02:14:32,160
connotation there. 
Yeah. 

2960
02:14:32,160 --> 02:14:32,800
It's pretty cool. 
Yeah. 

2961
02:14:32,800 --> 02:14:35,840
So I think you all probably 
could agree with what I said. 

2962
02:14:35,840 --> 02:14:37,720
And it sounds like they have 
several answers for how to 

2963
02:14:37,720 --> 02:14:39,320
handle it. 
And so far, they've landed on 

2964
02:14:39,320 --> 02:14:42,320
the one that Ira prefers. 
But who knows if they maybe have

2965
02:14:42,320 --> 02:14:44,440
to change their mind. 
But even if they do, they've got

2966
02:14:44,440 --> 02:14:46,520
other possibilities. 
So either way, it sounds like 

2967
02:14:46,520 --> 02:14:48,760
they have it handled regarding 
season 2 film. 

2968
02:14:48,760 --> 02:14:51,360
Oh, Sean, go ahead. 
I just want to say real quick I 

2969
02:14:52,160 --> 02:14:54,880
reiterate what I've said many 
times is I think they can handle

2970
02:14:54,880 --> 02:14:57,240
this easily. 
I think they could even get away

2971
02:14:57,240 --> 02:15:01,320
with literally doing changing 
nothing and even later on Dung 

2972
02:15:01,440 --> 02:15:04,800
egg has a signet. 
Like as it is we never saw him 

2973
02:15:04,800 --> 02:15:08,440
get the signet and as it is we 
know there were all sorts of 

2974
02:15:08,440 --> 02:15:10,320
adventures between the 1st and 
2nd book. 

2975
02:15:10,320 --> 02:15:14,200
So I think it's easy for us to 
go in our heads how it might or 

2976
02:15:14,200 --> 02:15:16,480
when it might have happened. 
Even more time passes between 

2977
02:15:16,480 --> 02:15:17,800
book two and three. 
It's 10. 

2978
02:15:17,800 --> 02:15:19,240
It's two. 
It's like a year, a year and a 

2979
02:15:19,240 --> 02:15:23,400
half between 1:00 and 2:00, but 
more like 2 to 2 1/2 for the 

2980
02:15:23,400 --> 02:15:26,640
next. 
So I I think that he will just 

2981
02:15:26,640 --> 02:15:29,080
stick to the main story. 
I think season 2 is just going 

2982
02:15:29,080 --> 02:15:31,720
to be book 2 and they'll flesh 
out some character they didn't 

2983
02:15:31,720 --> 02:15:34,040
get in a book and I'll have some
flashback that wasn't a book. 

2984
02:15:34,200 --> 02:15:39,080
And they clearly seem to make 
some attempt to address that 

2985
02:15:39,240 --> 02:15:41,520
finish. 
But I think it was, I said 

2986
02:15:41,520 --> 02:15:44,240
earlier, I give it three seats. 
I think they're, I think it's 

2987
02:15:44,240 --> 02:15:47,960
going to be a dozen lines over 
three scenes and it'll just be 

2988
02:15:47,960 --> 02:15:49,960
something that's quick and easy 
and they just move on. 

2989
02:15:49,960 --> 02:15:51,920
It's Yep. 
He didn't intend for it to be a 

2990
02:15:51,920 --> 02:15:53,160
whole new storyline. 
Yeah. 

2991
02:15:53,440 --> 02:15:55,480
And he and not it. 
Would be a whole new storyline. 

2992
02:15:56,080 --> 02:15:58,600
People around him seem to think 
they need to address it. 

2993
02:15:58,600 --> 02:16:01,720
So fine, he'll address it, but 
it'll be quick, it'll be simple,

2994
02:16:01,720 --> 02:16:03,520
it'll be funny. 
Light touch, dark humor. 

2995
02:16:04,240 --> 02:16:07,000
So the deaths. 
The great spring sickness 

2996
02:16:07,000 --> 02:16:11,760
happens between 1:00 and 2:00. 
My theory for the dark humor is 

2997
02:16:11,760 --> 02:16:15,800
that there's a bunch of deaths 
and Makar and sees Egg and and 

2998
02:16:15,800 --> 02:16:17,560
approves it and gives him the 
the ring. 

2999
02:16:18,360 --> 02:16:19,400
Because yeah, I mean, he goes 
to. 

3000
02:16:19,920 --> 02:16:21,400
Because of all the. 
Deaths and they could be they 

3001
02:16:21,400 --> 02:16:24,280
could meet at Summer Hall too, 
which is near the which is on 

3002
02:16:24,280 --> 02:16:26,120
the border of which is where 
Makar lives. 

3003
02:16:26,120 --> 02:16:29,200
So that would make sense. 
And that's on the border like 

3004
02:16:29,200 --> 02:16:32,320
the three-way border of the 
Reach and the Stormlands and 

3005
02:16:32,959 --> 02:16:35,600
Dorn. 
So they could, you know, it 

3006
02:16:35,600 --> 02:16:37,799
could emerge from Doran and go 
right to Summerhall. 

3007
02:16:38,080 --> 02:16:40,160
Anyway, we've spent a lot of 
time on that question. 

3008
02:16:40,160 --> 02:16:41,240
It sounds like it's well 
handled. 

3009
02:16:41,719 --> 02:16:44,799
Here's a little preview. 
That's also a bit of a challenge

3010
02:16:44,799 --> 02:16:47,520
that Season 2 is facing. 
We're thinking about how muddy 

3011
02:16:47,520 --> 02:16:51,360
it was for the trial and how 
that was authentic for Ireland. 

3012
02:16:51,760 --> 02:16:54,440
Well, we're talking about a 
drought for Season 2. 

3013
02:16:54,440 --> 02:16:56,400
Well, they're not going to film 
in Belfast, are they? 

3014
02:16:56,400 --> 02:16:58,480
That's probably not going to 
work out a little too. 

3015
02:16:58,480 --> 02:17:00,520
There's just no way to make it 
dry there. 

3016
02:17:00,879 --> 02:17:02,840
So here's what Ira had to say 
about that. 

3017
02:17:03,440 --> 02:17:07,120
Yeah, he has spoken about the 
budget for Season 2 and how you 

3018
02:17:07,120 --> 02:17:10,200
might think it's, you know, 
better and they have more money 

3019
02:17:10,200 --> 02:17:11,879
to spend on things 'cause 
they're not doing all the jobs, 

3020
02:17:11,879 --> 02:17:15,360
but they're actually having some
unanticipated cost in terms of 

3021
02:17:15,360 --> 02:17:18,320
filling on location. 
Which is to say, this is from an

3022
02:17:18,320 --> 02:17:21,320
IGN interview. 
He says we are going to dryer 

3023
02:17:21,320 --> 02:17:25,840
pastures in Spain for the 
drought scenes, except that the 

3024
02:17:25,840 --> 02:17:30,040
location that was meant to be 
our dry riverbed is now a fully 

3025
02:17:30,040 --> 02:17:33,799
flowing river after getting rain
for the first time in 10 years 

3026
02:17:33,799 --> 02:17:36,160
at this location. 
And so now has sent us 

3027
02:17:36,160 --> 02:17:39,760
scrambling and searching for 
changes at this late date. 

3028
02:17:39,920 --> 02:17:43,160
So that costs a lot of money, 
location scouting, getting the 

3029
02:17:43,160 --> 02:17:45,680
rights to film in a movie, like 
all of that. 

3030
02:17:45,680 --> 02:17:47,680
So there's one that costs a lot.
2. 

3031
02:17:47,680 --> 02:17:49,920
He spoke this about this 
separately. 

3032
02:17:50,400 --> 02:17:52,480
They have they're filming more 
scenes with egg. 

3033
02:17:52,719 --> 02:17:55,280
That costs more for them to do 
because they have to use child 

3034
02:17:55,280 --> 02:17:58,879
hours, so they can't film as 
efficiently as they can with an 

3035
02:17:58,879 --> 02:18:00,879
adult. 
So it's actually costing them 

3036
02:18:00,879 --> 02:18:04,920
more to film in a few respects 
from locations to the actor 

3037
02:18:04,920 --> 02:18:06,200
feature. 
Yeah, he can't be you. 

3038
02:18:06,280 --> 02:18:07,799
They can't have. 
Like you could ask an adult to 

3039
02:18:07,799 --> 02:18:10,120
film 18 hours of the day. 
He can't do that with a 10 year 

3040
02:18:10,120 --> 02:18:10,879
old. 
That's illegal. 

3041
02:18:11,600 --> 02:18:15,799
Yeah. 
So despite it being less of a 

3042
02:18:15,799 --> 02:18:18,879
huge production with jousting 
and all, it seems like it's 

3043
02:18:18,879 --> 02:18:22,160
still like there's still using 
every bit of their budget, which

3044
02:18:22,160 --> 02:18:26,160
makes me seem like they'll be 
trying to cut corners, save 

3045
02:18:26,160 --> 02:18:28,840
money. 
I, I guess I should say on 

3046
02:18:28,840 --> 02:18:31,400
flashbacks of the Black Fire 
rebellions, which is going to be

3047
02:18:31,400 --> 02:18:33,760
very expensive. 
And if they can have a way to do

3048
02:18:33,760 --> 02:18:40,000
it in a way that is effective, 
funny or or something, they will

3049
02:18:40,000 --> 02:18:41,799
do it in a way to save money, I 
think. 

3050
02:18:42,320 --> 02:18:45,520
Yeah, I think you're right. 
So let's close this episode out,

3051
02:18:45,520 --> 02:18:48,040
closeout our wrap up with some 
questions from you all. 

3052
02:18:48,040 --> 02:18:49,959
Another set of questions here 
that you have sent in here. 

3053
02:18:49,959 --> 02:18:52,600
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3054
02:18:52,600 --> 02:18:55,400
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It's our third year of doing 

3055
02:18:55,400 --> 02:18:56,639
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It's been a lot of fun each 

3056
02:18:56,639 --> 02:18:58,959
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And of course, you can find the 

3057
02:18:58,959 --> 02:19:00,719
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3058
02:19:00,719 --> 02:19:06,280
support.ourshow@historyofwesteros.com.
Greer Gladney says it's more 

3059
02:19:06,280 --> 02:19:08,920
that it implies that he didn't 
learn the lesson about 

3060
02:19:08,920 --> 02:19:11,200
unintended consequences and 
being in a position of power. 

3061
02:19:12,000 --> 02:19:16,440
This is in reference to what 
exactly? 

3062
02:19:17,520 --> 02:19:19,320
Maybe egg running off that 
permission? 

3063
02:19:19,639 --> 02:19:22,440
Oh, OK. 
Yeah, maybe, maybe that all 

3064
02:19:22,440 --> 02:19:24,520
about disliking what it means 
about egg. 

3065
02:19:24,520 --> 02:19:25,480
Yeah, OK. 
I see. 

3066
02:19:25,480 --> 02:19:27,080
Yes, that is probably right. 
Yeah. 

3067
02:19:27,080 --> 02:19:30,920
And which again, I can, young 
people don't have the ability to

3068
02:19:30,920 --> 02:19:32,360
necessarily think through all 
that. 

3069
02:19:32,360 --> 02:19:34,639
But yeah, I, I. 
Think he did ignore that it 

3070
02:19:34,639 --> 02:19:36,200
could lead to don't be killed 
right? 

3071
02:19:36,200 --> 02:19:37,600
Like this? 
Is something I meant to make 

3072
02:19:37,600 --> 02:19:39,280
comment on when we talked about 
it. 

3073
02:19:39,280 --> 02:19:42,680
You know, when the the comment 
that Baylor made and it not that

3074
02:19:42,680 --> 02:19:45,520
there isn't some wisdom in it, 
but the fact is Baylor did 

3075
02:19:45,520 --> 02:19:47,400
things that he didn't intend to 
be harmful. 

3076
02:19:47,400 --> 02:19:49,680
They ended up being harmful to 
like every single care. 

3077
02:19:50,240 --> 02:19:52,520
Every person does that. 
Especially when you're in power 

3078
02:19:52,520 --> 02:19:53,600
and you, you're like. 
You're. 

3079
02:19:54,160 --> 02:19:56,920
All your actions have an 
influence on a lot of people. 

3080
02:19:57,640 --> 02:19:59,520
You can't be perfect. 
Yeah, you like, you make a 

3081
02:19:59,520 --> 02:20:02,040
mistake if a lot of people are 
affected by it, but like, who's 

3082
02:20:02,040 --> 02:20:03,160
a perfect leader? 
No one. 

3083
02:20:03,160 --> 02:20:04,600
I mean, never. 
No such thing exists. 

3084
02:20:04,960 --> 02:20:07,840
Corn Emperor sends a super chat,
says in my opinion, despite the 

3085
02:20:07,840 --> 02:20:10,920
conspiracy, Fagon makes for the 
best king for A Song of Ice and 

3086
02:20:10,920 --> 02:20:12,840
Fire and unlikely rain like 
eggs. 

3087
02:20:12,960 --> 02:20:14,800
My biggest dream is a dream of 
spring. 

3088
02:20:14,800 --> 02:20:17,240
Love y'all. 
Yeah, a dream for a dream of 

3089
02:20:17,240 --> 02:20:18,480
spring too. 
That's a big dream. 

3090
02:20:18,640 --> 02:20:22,040
But yeah, I mean, a great thing 
about Fagon, yeah, is virus. 

3091
02:20:23,000 --> 02:20:25,600
Did try to impart and Jon 
Clelington decided to try to 

3092
02:20:25,600 --> 02:20:29,160
impart some of the basics that 
that made Egg a good king, which

3093
02:20:29,160 --> 02:20:32,840
was understanding things from 
the common folks perspective, 

3094
02:20:32,840 --> 02:20:35,960
living that life, being in 
danger. 

3095
02:20:36,440 --> 02:20:39,440
The problem is that I think 
Danny had a more authentic 

3096
02:20:39,440 --> 02:20:42,120
version of that life. 
She actually was on the run and 

3097
02:20:42,120 --> 02:20:45,480
she was actually being chased 
without the without protection 

3098
02:20:45,480 --> 02:20:50,000
of Illyrio and and John 
Connington in this whole like 

3099
02:20:50,000 --> 02:20:54,280
conspiracy that was over 20 
years of planning, which, yeah, 

3100
02:20:54,280 --> 02:20:56,600
so it's a little more engineer. 
Danny's is a little more 

3101
02:20:56,600 --> 02:20:58,960
authentic, but still. 
But doesn't mean Fagon wouldn't 

3102
02:20:58,960 --> 02:21:01,680
be a better king because he's 
probably not insane or whatever.

3103
02:21:01,680 --> 02:21:03,320
I don't know, right. 
He. 

3104
02:21:03,440 --> 02:21:05,640
I don't know, not really 
Hungarian, that could be a 

3105
02:21:05,640 --> 02:21:07,000
bonus. 
Yeah, that's true. 

3106
02:21:07,120 --> 02:21:09,600
Yeah, that's true. 
Do you like fishing? 

3107
02:21:09,600 --> 02:21:12,040
I mean. 
I think Danny is way more likely

3108
02:21:12,040 --> 02:21:15,000
to save Westeros, but she's also
more likely to have some sort of

3109
02:21:15,000 --> 02:21:16,880
darker ending. 
Fagon, of course, might just 

3110
02:21:17,000 --> 02:21:20,080
have an ending that doesn't 
really, he just dies. 

3111
02:21:23,080 --> 02:21:26,760
Jenny of Cold Stone Creamery, 
which remains one of the cooler 

3112
02:21:26,800 --> 02:21:28,600
screen names we see regularly 
here. 

3113
02:21:28,880 --> 02:21:31,600
I think the anachronistic music 
fits the vibe, considering that 

3114
02:21:31,600 --> 02:21:34,720
George inserts pop culture 
references all over the place. 

3115
02:21:34,720 --> 02:21:38,040
Tully, Muppets, Grand Maester, 
Bennifer where Grateful Dead 

3116
02:21:38,040 --> 02:21:40,400
references all. 
Oh, Speaking of music all over 

3117
02:21:40,400 --> 02:21:42,280
the place, I'm not. 
Going to lie all black and 

3118
02:21:42,280 --> 02:21:44,640
yellow spiral. 
I've never once considered the 

3119
02:21:44,640 --> 02:21:47,440
Grand Maester Bennifer could 
actually be a reference to. 

3120
02:21:47,640 --> 02:21:49,840
I guess you mean the couple 
named Bennifer. 

3121
02:21:49,840 --> 02:21:52,640
I don't know if that's what you 
mean, but I I don't think it is 

3122
02:21:52,640 --> 02:21:55,240
a reference and it just makes me
shuffle chuckle to think that 

3123
02:21:55,240 --> 02:21:59,880
George loves celebrity couples. 
Oh, Bennifer's and I didn't get 

3124
02:21:59,880 --> 02:22:01,600
that. 
In it's a reference to that it's

3125
02:22:01,600 --> 02:22:03,320
just. 
Ben and Jennifer, OK, I don't 

3126
02:22:03,360 --> 02:22:05,520
think. 
It is, but I've never considered

3127
02:22:05,520 --> 02:22:07,680
it I it's very funny. 
That is really funny. 

3128
02:22:08,000 --> 02:22:09,160
That could be it. 
You never know. 

3129
02:22:09,160 --> 02:22:11,520
He's always shipped them. 
Yeah, you know George. 

3130
02:22:11,520 --> 02:22:13,680
George secretly is a big fan of 
pop culture. 

3131
02:22:13,680 --> 02:22:16,920
You never wouldn't know it, but.
He's always on TMZ. 

3132
02:22:18,280 --> 02:22:20,880
Ani, how are you Tiani and I 
hope I said your name right or 

3133
02:22:20,880 --> 02:22:23,360
close to it. 
Anyway, sends a super chat and a

3134
02:22:23,360 --> 02:22:24,640
hippo sticker. 
We love a hippo. 

3135
02:22:24,640 --> 02:22:27,080
Around here, my favorite animal 
actually. 

3136
02:22:27,960 --> 02:22:30,800
And Yak Yaki Niko says any 
confirmation of the Royal 

3137
02:22:30,800 --> 02:22:33,360
Shakespeare Company producing a 
stage play titled The Mad King 

3138
02:22:33,360 --> 02:22:35,880
about the Tourney of Harrenal 
more than confirmation it is 

3139
02:22:35,880 --> 02:22:39,000
happening this year. 
It is done. 

3140
02:22:39,080 --> 02:22:41,720
I mean, as in it's ready to go 
or close enough that they've 

3141
02:22:41,720 --> 02:22:43,400
announced it. 
So on. 

3142
02:22:43,880 --> 02:22:47,840
So we are going, we're likely to
do an episode about it before we

3143
02:22:47,840 --> 02:22:51,280
see see it and certainly one or 
two afterwards and. 

3144
02:22:51,280 --> 02:22:53,800
We're thinking it's Robert 
indeed. 

3145
02:22:53,800 --> 02:22:56,480
Geek did a little bit of 
research into the the the 

3146
02:22:56,480 --> 02:23:00,000
schedule and he said that there 
happens to be a window of 

3147
02:23:00,000 --> 02:23:03,560
roughly September to October 
where it seems likely that 

3148
02:23:03,560 --> 02:23:06,200
that's when it'll be. 
And they say summer and early 

3149
02:23:06,200 --> 02:23:07,760
September can still be some. 
I don't know. 

3150
02:23:08,000 --> 02:23:10,720
So stay tuned, we will announce 
as soon as, whenever we have new

3151
02:23:10,720 --> 02:23:13,960
info we will share with you all,
both in an episode and on our 

3152
02:23:13,960 --> 02:23:17,240
social media. 
That'll be at Stratford upon 

3153
02:23:17,240 --> 02:23:21,360
Avon and they'll probably almost
certainly extend the run and go 

3154
02:23:21,360 --> 02:23:25,400
to London and go to New York and
hopefully some other countries. 

3155
02:23:25,400 --> 02:23:27,240
But we're trying to see it as 
soon as possible, as soon as it,

3156
02:23:27,240 --> 02:23:29,720
yeah, like maybe, probably not 
opening, right, but as soon as 

3157
02:23:29,720 --> 02:23:31,760
possible, as close, as close as 
that as possible. 

3158
02:23:31,760 --> 02:23:34,600
And we should know, I think 
it's, was it April 14th or I, I 

3159
02:23:34,600 --> 02:23:37,920
forget the date, but we we'll 
know the dates when, when I mean

3160
02:23:37,960 --> 02:23:40,120
the ticket sales will open and, 
and all of that. 

3161
02:23:40,120 --> 02:23:42,520
So we'll know a while in 
advance. 

3162
02:23:43,280 --> 02:23:46,000
Our trivia question was who's 
the only character from the 

3163
02:23:46,000 --> 02:23:48,040
hedge night that we see again 
apart from Duncan Egg 

3164
02:23:48,040 --> 02:23:51,960
themselves, And the answer is 
Sir Roland Crakehall. 

3165
02:23:52,320 --> 02:23:54,320
He the one one of the three 
Kingsguard Knights. 

3166
02:23:54,320 --> 02:23:58,560
When when blood Raven shows up 
with the army at the end, Sir 

3167
02:23:58,560 --> 02:24:00,920
Roland Crakehall comes and finds
Duncan says, Hey, blood Raven 

3168
02:24:00,920 --> 02:24:02,440
wants to talk to you. 
I was like, oh, hey, it's Sir 

3169
02:24:02,440 --> 02:24:05,000
Roland again. 
So, you know, it's interesting. 

3170
02:24:05,000 --> 02:24:07,520
Sir Roland's one of the few 
characters also that didn't 

3171
02:24:07,520 --> 02:24:10,720
really, they didn't really seem 
to bother casting him in a way 

3172
02:24:10,720 --> 02:24:13,120
that he looked like because he's
supposed to be redhead. 

3173
02:24:13,520 --> 02:24:15,000
They just like they're like, who
cares? 

3174
02:24:15,240 --> 02:24:20,200
We'll just do random handsome 
guy that's not redheaded and not

3175
02:24:20,200 --> 02:24:22,640
worry about it too much. 
So it's possible I forgot 

3176
02:24:22,640 --> 02:24:25,800
somebody else that's in the 
mystery night or the sworn 

3177
02:24:25,800 --> 02:24:26,800
sword. 
Well, probably not the sworn 

3178
02:24:26,800 --> 02:24:29,280
sword because it's got a much 
smaller cast, but I don't, but I

3179
02:24:29,280 --> 02:24:31,760
don't I can't think of anybody. 
So if you can correct me or 

3180
02:24:31,760 --> 02:24:33,480
well, it wouldn't be a 
correction probably as much as 

3181
02:24:33,480 --> 02:24:35,640
an add on an addendum, let me 
know. 

3182
02:24:36,200 --> 02:24:37,880
Did anyone get that? 
Did anyone get Sir Roland Cray 

3183
02:24:37,880 --> 02:24:38,680
Collier? 
No. 

3184
02:24:39,200 --> 02:24:40,440
All right, that's it was a 
little bit. 

3185
02:24:40,440 --> 02:24:42,200
Tough, Yeah. 
No, no one guessed that that I 

3186
02:24:42,200 --> 02:24:45,600
saw, unless I somehow missed it.
Yeah, I think someone guessed 

3187
02:24:45,600 --> 02:24:47,960
Makar. 
I think I, I, Yeah, that was 

3188
02:24:47,960 --> 02:24:49,200
about it. 
All right. 

3189
02:24:49,400 --> 02:24:53,000
Oh. 
Actually, frakkin toaster lover 

3190
02:24:53,000 --> 02:24:55,440
says. 
Actually we see Baylor, Valar 

3191
02:24:55,440 --> 02:24:58,080
and Arlen in Dunks Dream in The 
Sworn Sword. 

3192
02:24:58,080 --> 02:24:59,440
That could count the dream, 
yeah. 

3193
02:25:01,120 --> 02:25:02,680
Yeah, OK, that's, that's 
interesting. 

3194
02:25:02,680 --> 02:25:04,880
Yeah. 
I mean, we that I, I wouldn't 

3195
02:25:04,880 --> 02:25:07,440
count that, but I can see why 
you, you might, I would say like

3196
02:25:07,440 --> 02:25:09,040
in person. 
I maybe I could clarify the 

3197
02:25:09,040 --> 02:25:11,040
question. 
I meant in person because, yeah,

3198
02:25:11,040 --> 02:25:12,080
he definitely thinks about 
Baylor. 

3199
02:25:12,080 --> 02:25:15,880
He thinks about Stefan as well, 
as we mentioned earlier. 

3200
02:25:16,160 --> 02:25:19,480
As for our poll, which character
from Season 1 will we see again?

3201
02:25:19,480 --> 02:25:22,280
First, Arian got the fewest 
votes, which makes sense because

3202
02:25:22,280 --> 02:25:25,680
he's being exiled only 6 
percent, 15% of you said Tanzel,

3203
02:25:25,960 --> 02:25:29,280
22% of you said Raymond, and 57%
said Makar. 

3204
02:25:29,800 --> 02:25:33,240
And I think the, the maybe the, 
the boot change might be part of

3205
02:25:33,240 --> 02:25:34,640
why. 
Yeah. 

3206
02:25:34,640 --> 02:25:36,360
Also just fine. 
Yeah. 

3207
02:25:36,800 --> 02:25:37,920
There's a lot of reasons it 
makes sense. 

3208
02:25:37,920 --> 02:25:39,160
Yeah. 
Yeah, definitely. 

3209
02:25:40,040 --> 02:25:43,520
So thank you all for 
participating in that poll and 

3210
02:25:43,520 --> 02:25:46,600
the other polls and everything 
else you participate in. 

3211
02:25:46,600 --> 02:25:48,200
We certainly do appreciate the 
engagement. 

3212
02:25:48,560 --> 02:25:51,880
Go find our Facebook group or or
our Patreon and go vote while 

3213
02:25:51,920 --> 02:25:53,760
you can. 
Yeah, we got more polls up, more

3214
02:25:53,760 --> 02:25:54,480
fun stuff. 
We're going to. 

3215
02:25:54,480 --> 02:25:56,240
We'd love to announce the 
results of those, but I put 

3216
02:25:56,240 --> 02:25:57,800
those polls up today. 
So they haven't really had 

3217
02:25:57,800 --> 02:26:00,680
enough time to marinate, shall 
we say. 

3218
02:26:00,920 --> 02:26:03,800
So we'll mention that again at a
future date or perhaps just post

3219
02:26:03,800 --> 02:26:06,720
the results on social media. 
Either way, we will let you all 

3220
02:26:06,720 --> 02:26:09,720
know. 
Thanks to all of you for being 

3221
02:26:09,720 --> 02:26:13,640
with us this all season long. 
And those of you who have been 

3222
02:26:13,640 --> 02:26:16,320
here even longer than that, you 
know, past seasons of other 

3223
02:26:16,320 --> 02:26:18,120
shows, we certainly appreciate 
that. 

3224
02:26:18,560 --> 02:26:21,280
Sean, did you have looks like 
you have a a some sort of 

3225
02:26:21,280 --> 02:26:23,880
comment you wanted to add? 
Just unplug that. 

3226
02:26:23,880 --> 02:26:27,240
Every year I do minute long 
reviews of all the Academy Award

3227
02:26:27,240 --> 02:26:29,440
nominees and that's coming up in
a week or two. 

3228
02:26:29,440 --> 02:26:32,560
So my dancing Sean on YouTube, 
you'll check his videos. 

3229
02:26:32,720 --> 02:26:34,800
Channel name dancing Sean yeah 
do that Sean does a really good 

3230
02:26:34,800 --> 02:26:37,600
job with those very you you put 
a lot of effort into that and I 

3231
02:26:37,600 --> 02:26:40,640
know you put a lot of thought 
into like we said earlier like 

3232
02:26:40,640 --> 02:26:43,680
you make deciding who your top 
ten are you you put a lot of 

3233
02:26:43,680 --> 02:26:46,360
work into that. 
So yeah so very worth it if you 

3234
02:26:46,360 --> 02:26:49,840
guys are curious about that or 
into that show the the awards 

3235
02:26:49,840 --> 02:26:52,480
that is and the the things that 
are up for award. 

3236
02:26:53,000 --> 02:26:55,160
Of course you can check out the 
hedge night, the sworn sword and

3237
02:26:55,160 --> 02:26:56,960
the mystery night reviews that 
we've done in the past. 

3238
02:26:56,960 --> 02:26:59,960
The Hedge Night episodes have 
been reposted to our podcast 

3239
02:26:59,960 --> 02:27:04,120
feed near the top as as as has 
our Baylor Break Spear, a pair 

3240
02:27:04,120 --> 02:27:06,360
of episodes that were made years
ago. 

3241
02:27:06,760 --> 02:27:09,600
We'll be reposting a few other 
episodes that are related to 

3242
02:27:09,600 --> 02:27:12,280
this, but you can also just find
those things deep in our catalog

3243
02:27:12,280 --> 02:27:14,760
by searching. 
For example, the Sermon of the 

3244
02:27:14,760 --> 02:27:17,240
Mirror Shield episode is going 
to get reposted because that's a

3245
02:27:17,240 --> 02:27:20,000
bit relevant here. 
Thank you all again. 

3246
02:27:20,000 --> 02:27:25,320
We will be back most weeks this 
year with more content that's 

3247
02:27:25,320 --> 02:27:28,800
going to continue through House 
of the Dragon season and not so.

3248
02:27:28,800 --> 02:27:32,040
We'll be covering book topics, 
Dunkin egg topics, all sorts of 

3249
02:27:32,040 --> 02:27:36,080
other things. 
The future remains bright and we

3250
02:27:36,240 --> 02:27:41,200
will never run out of content. 
Thank you to Bran the Builder 

3251
02:27:41,200 --> 02:27:44,160
for our awesome intro that at 
least a few of you have said the

3252
02:27:44,160 --> 02:27:46,800
music is stuck in your head and 
there's a good reason for that. 

3253
02:27:46,800 --> 02:27:50,320
It's catchy. 
We will look forward to what he 

3254
02:27:50,320 --> 02:27:52,840
has to do with the updated House
of the Dragon intro. 

3255
02:27:52,840 --> 02:27:54,800
He's been working on that too. 
He he's the one who did our 

3256
02:27:54,800 --> 02:27:57,480
intros for that in past seasons.
So in case you weren't aware of 

3257
02:27:57,480 --> 02:28:02,840
that, and thanks to Sean and a 
chef for everything this season,

3258
02:28:02,840 --> 02:28:06,160
we've had a great time covering 
this show and we are excited 

3259
02:28:06,160 --> 02:28:08,880
about the future of this 
franchise and all the other 

3260
02:28:08,880 --> 02:28:11,080
things we get to talk about. 
We're very lucky. 

3261
02:28:11,640 --> 02:28:13,680
We get a date for Elsa the 
dragon. 

3262
02:28:14,080 --> 02:28:15,160
June. 
That's all. 

3263
02:28:15,160 --> 02:28:16,440
Just June. 
We're waiting. 

3264
02:28:16,640 --> 02:28:19,640
We're waiting eagerly or 
nervously, whatever you want to 

3265
02:28:19,640 --> 02:28:22,040
say, to find out the dates we 
don't want. 

3266
02:28:22,040 --> 02:28:23,840
It early June and late June. 
Yeah, we don't. 

3267
02:28:23,840 --> 02:28:27,400
Want it to crash with World Con 
or or Dragon Con for our our 

3268
02:28:27,400 --> 02:28:29,560
purposes, but we'll see. 
But yeah, well, so we'll 

3269
02:28:29,560 --> 02:28:32,160
certainly you all probably hear 
about that around the same time 

3270
02:28:32,160 --> 02:28:34,560
we do because that'll probably 
be some big news drop when it 

3271
02:28:34,560 --> 02:28:36,840
does happen. 
But certainly we will be on top 

3272
02:28:36,840 --> 02:28:40,040
of that. 
So June. 14th is a Sunday is my 

3273
02:28:40,040 --> 02:28:41,880
birthday by the way, I'm. 
Rooting for that. 

3274
02:28:42,080 --> 02:28:44,160
That would be perfect. 
For all that would be optimal 

3275
02:28:44,160 --> 02:28:48,200
for me, everybody pray for that 
or sacrifice a goat or whatever 

3276
02:28:48,200 --> 02:28:54,200
you do to make things reality. 
So thank you all. 

3277
02:28:54,600 --> 02:28:59,120
We do not support goat 
sacrifice, do not kill any 

3278
02:28:59,120 --> 02:29:00,280
goats. 
Thank you. 

3279
02:29:01,520 --> 02:29:03,920
Sacrifice the worst of all time.
Don't sacrifice me. 

3280
02:29:05,120 --> 02:29:07,200
Yes, sacrifice. 
That's good. 

3281
02:29:07,400 --> 02:29:09,720
Nice one. 
The black goat of Kohor. 

3282
02:29:09,720 --> 02:29:10,960
That's you could sacrifice that 
one. 

3283
02:29:10,960 --> 02:29:12,280
That's a pretty bad goat 
sacrificing. 

3284
02:29:12,280 --> 02:29:14,840
Banana. 
Yes, they don't. 

3285
02:29:14,960 --> 02:29:16,240
They shouldn't exist. 
All of them. 

3286
02:29:16,240 --> 02:29:18,120
Get rid of all the banana. 
The world should be purged of 

3287
02:29:18,120 --> 02:29:21,120
bananas for and all their evil 
influence and odor. 

3288
02:29:21,120 --> 02:29:24,840
Send her to me, I'll take care. 
Thank you all, everybody. 

3289
02:29:24,840 --> 02:29:27,040
Until next time you know what to
do. 

3290
02:29:27,400 --> 02:29:30,120
Valar Riridis.