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Obscure can mean a lot of things
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or of a geeky nerdy disposition,
or both to you, it probably 

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rarely means uninteresting. 
It's rarely a turn-off often. 

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It's the opposite. 
And that's what we have for you 

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today. 
The Isle of nathe or Nath, 

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however, you want to say it is. 
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anything we've seen in the Known
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pacifists. 
In a world of violence that is 

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indeed unusual. 
And while generalizing over much

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about an entire ethnicity is a 
path riddled with errors. 

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There's a reason to believe. 
It might actually be almost 

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true. 
In this case, the features of 

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Nath Nath are just so unusual 
and extreme that one must 

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discard much of what we expect 
from humanity and they might 

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have an origin that sets them 
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If not actual blood lines from 
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race that both tests, the notion
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while, ultimately still proving 
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I think, thus, in some ways we 
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unnatural with regards to 
individuality in our perception 

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of basic Humanity, but the 
biggest singular reason for 

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this, however, might be 
Supernatural. 

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So that quickly dispenses with 
any concerns regarding what is, 

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or what is it natural or needs 
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And nobody suspects the 
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Well today, we'll do our part to
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We do suspect the butterfly, 
this unjustified butterfly 

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exceptionalism ends. 
Now I say, but notice to, I said

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biggest singular Reason Not only
singular reason there are others

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will delve into all that and 
more on this episode of history 

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of Westeros podcast. 
So I gotta say I feel like I'm 

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missing some kind of reference. 
What's with expecting a 

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butterfly? 
His reference. 

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There's also a very important 
Song of Ice and Fire Creator who

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goes by nobody suspects the 
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We cited her we've cited, nobody
smokes, the butterfly many times

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I've been on panels with 
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fire Khan and I'm friends with 
her but mainly she's an amazing 

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resource and a Simpsons 
reference. 

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That's right. 
So why don't we explain that 

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reference entirely since we've 
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I was going to do that later. 
Why not now sure the It's itself

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is to round Springfield, 
episode, 125 from season six of 

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The Simpsons. 
That's 125 of, 750 mind you. 

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That is the current total of 
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recording of this episode. 
We've been doing our show for a 

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long time. 
We've only got we don't even 

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have half that many tell you one
point, I'd seen a hundred 

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percent of The Simpsons which 
was 700 and now I'm about 50 

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behind. 
Yeah, they just keep going, Bart

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gets sick in that episode, which
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this episode. 
There's even a reference to a 

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brand of crusty cereal that has 
flesh-eating bacteria in. 

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And this is the episode where 
bleeding gums Murphy dies. 

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So all sorts of sicknesses that 
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That we'll discuss today. 
So yeah, shout out to her and to

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The Simpsons and with that, 
let's kick it off Shawn. 

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You got anything special to 
drink today. 

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Anything like red or green or 
butterfly related. 

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It looks kind of murky. 
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again with the Coconuts Berry 
Red Bull and the black raspberry

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Sparkling Ice. 
And so like the kind of purply 

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and the orange and mixed 
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You can only see the layers 
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He's been tricking bottom. 
Yeah it's darker at the top for 

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sure. 
It's delicious. 

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I'll tell ya. 
I doubt it the coconut Berry Red

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Bull by itself tastes like 
medicine, not so good, but mix 

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it with some other stuff. 
Well, hello and welcome, 

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everybody. 
Welcome to another episode 

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history of Westeros podcast. 
Things a little bit out of order

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in our start today but that's 
okay. 

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We take things as they come, we 
maneuver and do what needs to be

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done to get our episodes flowing
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How do you all say it? 
You say nay Thorn Authority just

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I just kind of find myself 
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do with a lot of these. 
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I kind of Go down the middle. 
I think we know how I said? 

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Nah. 
No, I think I said nothing and 

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sometimes nathe but I think I've
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because I want to use not pun. 
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That is nothing like the Celtic 
our debate but nothing like this

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exactly like that. 
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Yeah. 
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So this is also NAFA livestream.
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happening, during our normal 
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especially if you're catching 
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I usually read through the chat 
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appreciated the comments and 
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So we might not have that for 
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the comments to so comments 
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There still will be a live chat 
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People can still watch, it'll be
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chatting know that Sean will go 
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Bonus bonus. 
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because of the hiccup in our 
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on by patrons. 
Tweek is the vegetation episode,

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which is Ned's childhood. 
And if is episode ends, and you 

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want to stay immersed. 
Well, we've got you covered with

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suggestions for topics related 
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And we'll go through those at 
the end as well. 

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At the end of the episode will 
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Trivia question, the true name 
of the goddess of the unsullied 

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is hidden to all but those who 
have sacrificed their manhood to

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the Flames, they call her to 
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The lady of Spears or one of two
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Are those other nicknames one or
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If you can name both good for 
you, This episode will feel a 

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lot like our Valerie Rita's for 
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episodes, it's by Nature. 
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Quite obviously focused on World
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That gives us a little extra 
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A little more room for theories.
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well, first of all, we wouldn't 
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topic but we'd build this 
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Something like, you are not 
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truth. 
And if you're watching, see 

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where my finger is pointing 
there it is. 

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I'm doing a little circle around
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doing that because it's 
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Yes. 
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arrow pointing at it. 
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of the Isle of naath Kraznys has
High. 

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Valyrian was twisted and 
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growl of geese and flavor here. 
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are go Danny, understood him 
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looked blankly at the slave 
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As if wondering what he might 
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The good Master kraznys asks, 
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girl spoke the common tongue? 
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to Westeros no older than 10. 
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Dusky skin and golden eyes of Na
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Her folk were called all agreed 
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slavers Bay and sadly. 
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Simple storytelling. 
Those storytelling is of course,

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huge here. 
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readers are seeing George. 
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slavery by giving us an 
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makes the evil of slavery. 
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such good people. 
We're told that they're the best

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slaves because they're so 
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That's heartbreaking, right? 
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anyway. 
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like to turn it up to 11. 
This is a pretty good way to do 

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it. 
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yet even these folk are turned 
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missandei who retain a lot of 
who they are, but slaves 

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soldiers. 
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through much more Extreme 
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remains to be seen how the 
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out in this case, in terms of 
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of their Humanity or not. 
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and making and taking that from 
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Killers. 
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into a killer but her brothers 
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seen if their original peaceful 
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training experience. 
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find themselves and they're 
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It's not a place you can expect 
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I think so. 
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interesting subplot to be 
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unless you see them as slaves. 
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because they don't, as far as 
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Homeland, right? 
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from Nathan Westeros just 
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from Nate that's probably in 
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great, but it does kind of make 
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kind of a sad unfortunate truth.
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world where it was a true for a 
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slave, you know, for hundreds of
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That was just the nature of the 
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That's a good point. 
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place. 
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butterflies. 
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just part of the intro, 
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the world of Ice and Fire, 
Northwest of South Oreos and the

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summer sea lies, the mysterious 
island of naath known to the 

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Ancients as the Isle of 
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So, it's been called that for a 
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our episode. 
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briefly pointed out. 
That math is almost close enough

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to be considered one of them, 
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westerosi map standards. 
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things are essentially 
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Some people other map makers 
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it. 
One of the Basilisk Isles is 

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very different in terms of the 
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people. 
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closed in terms of some other 
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similarities. 
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other small Islands. 
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like tiny islands that you can 
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They don't have names. 
I was kind of wonder what's up 

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with those if they're also 
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Basilisk? 
Sir, something certainly if 

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they're basilisks, they should 
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I mean, come on. 
It's there right there. 

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I mean, but who knows what they 
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And I wonder too, like, it 
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I just love seeing these little 
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Whenever I see miniature Isles 
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fantasy map but also a real map.
I wonder like what's their 

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what's on that? 
Like, I'm drawn to the most 

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obscure thing and I wonder like,
is there any people? 

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There's a creatures on there. 
There's like species that have 

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never ever had human contact at 
all or trees that have never 

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heard this. 
What was that that reference? 

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I made several weeks ago, trees 
that are never heard the sound 

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of an axe. 
Let alone felt the taste of the 

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bite of one. 
I think we do. 

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Zis is future fan fiction in the
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That will not be happening. 
That will not be the last time. 

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I do that in this episode. 
I think about that sometimes to 

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some some little piece of nature
on Bye man. 

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And it's kind of like intriguing
or impressive or beautiful, but 

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there's no way to see it. 
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man, it's kind of a catch-22, 
you know. 

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Yeah, that's true. 
We need this. 

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What we need so we have drones 
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That's count as being touched. 
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down there some children of the 
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undersea tunnels, right? 
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right? 
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common with the summer 
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described because I mean you 
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people because you can't really 
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It's hard to, they don't leave. 
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opportunities for academic 
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They have very different eyes in
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of also separates them 
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the sum around, are just some of
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exploration, which the not 
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interested in going anywhere 
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added, the disease that seems to
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we'll explain later, which is 
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One of the most deadly diseases,
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comparison to some of the ones 
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scenario. 
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this planet is really freaking 
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Y'all feel like there's some 
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not just deadly, but gruesome 
right. 

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It would be one thing if like, 
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died of a fever, three days 
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comes off or something, right? 
It's so bad. 

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slavers write the Basilisk Isles
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elsewhere, but the Basilisk 
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worst slave raids come from 
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proximity. 
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back in the day ancient times. 
It says that's been called the 

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Isle of butterfly since ancient 
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Well, well who which ancients 
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were aware of that when was 
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about that. 
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butterflies in the real world 
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Okay, there's the guesses. 
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that they they're out in the 
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one. 
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popular varieties was yellow and
so they just have the same color

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but those are the kind of those 
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like a green grass field 
suddenly being covered by yellow

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butterflies. 
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you know, Mmm butter grass. 
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conjunction with that like 
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relative to, you know, what to 
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I mean, maybe you could assume 
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several hundred years, I don't 
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ancient, but especially in 
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It could be 700 or 7,000 or 
17,000. 

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So, yeah, I'm pretty sure in the
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thousand years or more. 
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BC that's gradually falling off.
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farther away from that but still
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is not ancient. 
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historians and academics. 
Do not so properly if you're 

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trying to be technical. 
Don't talk, don't say ancient 

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about something only a thousand 
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So it's shaped like a backwards 
question mark. 

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It only only imagine that the 
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The question mark has floated 
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Hook part which again is another
little I wonder about that 

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little island in there. 
Then Athey don't take shit but 

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the do they take wrath to that? 
I mean, it's so close but even 

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that might be something they've 
never gone to because it's well 

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but we don't leave our Shores or
even how effective is it by the 

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tides? 
Is it possible to get across on 

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foot in a I'd you know, that's a
great call, it might be. 

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Yeah, who knows? 
Yeah, might have a Promontory. 

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It's really, really hard to say 
maybe there's yeah, who knows, 

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there's ways across what kind of
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happen there if there's maybe 
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who live a little bit apart from
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caves on there or some mountains
or something. 

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There's supposedly a hundred or 
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me. 
I love butterflies. 

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This Smithsonian Museum calls 
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appealing. 
Teachers in nature in real life.

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A hundred or more species. 
Butterflies is nothing. 

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There's 18,000 plus species of 
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Every continent has them except 
Antarctica, which is true for a 

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lot of species. 
Because if you do live on an 

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Arctica, they evolved from moths
about 55 million years ago. 

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So it does make sense that on 
planet 0 State. 

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Also would have been around 
since before people, from by a 

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long shot. 
Fun fact, some butterfly species

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embark on Degeneration Journeys 
like they'll a butterfly will 

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embark on a journey. 
It will make it part of the way.

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They will breed and die and it's
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Journey. 
It could take up to six 

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generations, to get there. 
It's got to understand how they 

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know they remember. 
Is it ancestral memory? 

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Or do they just have the same 
obvious goal in mind? 

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My question is like what that 
original butterfly have gone to 

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the same spot or do they just 
continue? 

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Like that's my question. 
Well, it worked Usually, it's 

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not one butterfly, it's they 
migrate, you know, sick a whole,

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I don't know calling or 
whatever. 

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And I believe that they're 
following some patterns and 

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that's, it's like a generation 
think of it is or whatever. 

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But it has to do with, like, the
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in a direction of the sun is 
facing and things like that. 

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And they see and they see much 
different spectrums. 

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Like they can see sunlight even 
when it's cloudy because they 

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could see like infrared and, 
and, or ultraviolet for violet. 

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Yeah, ultraviolet. 
Yeah, that's right. 

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And Yeah, it's like Generation 
ship from sci-fi Sci-Fi series, 

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like the expanse. 
There was that ship? 

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That's just going off to a new 
planet that they're not going to

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get to in their lifetime but the
ship is built so that multiple 

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generation people can live on 
and eventually their ancestors 

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will make it and establish a new
colony. 

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And it's this is kind of like 
that but for the insect world so

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that's pretty wild. 
You did some research on them, 

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too, huh? 
Shawn? 

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Yeah, yeah. 
A couple times just now I was I 

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want to say it was. 
You can choose my words. 

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Carefully when I would say 
butterflies because, you know, 

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there's names for different 
groupings of animals like a herd

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of sheep or a flock of geese or 
whatever a group of butterfly is

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apparently sometimes called a 
flutter or a kaleidoscope. 

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Not so cool. 
Cool. 

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And that was a new one. 
But I in different readings. 

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I found these different terms is
like, well, which is it. 

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And so I was trying to research 
just in general where these 

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different kind of cute unusual, 
weird names, you get four groups

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of animals come from and you 
know, like Wikipedia had like 

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this list but I still want to 
well where did Wikipedia get 

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this us? 
Where's it come from? 

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Apparently this English woman in
the 1400s wrote a book on 

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heraldry and hunting and 
apparently she was from a 

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wealthy family so she maybe 
would have had some insight and 

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she worked at a monastery and 
had whatever resources and 

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motivation. to consolidate all 
this information about how 

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Animals are referred to when 
they're hunted and also the 

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heraldry of the castles around 
like a weird hodgepodge of 

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information. 
She put out there. 

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Yeah, it's called The Book of 
st. 

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Albans, written by Giuliana 
burners, and I know she has 

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somewhat of a legacy, a lot of 
all women groups. 

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Hunting groups are called 
burners burners. 

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Yeah. 
He's another called ber in. 

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ER, but yeah. 
But by the way, large group of 

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caterpillars is called an army 
of caterpillars. 

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There's so many of those good 
times good names for groups. 

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I, that is one of my favorite 
things, I don't know. 

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My fate, I don't know if y'all 
have a favorite out of all of 

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that. 
I don't know that. 

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I Like You Gotta Love Murder of 
Crows or what is it a 

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consequence of the Symphony of 
Destruction of Destruction? 

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Me like a coffin e of parrots. 
Parents abrasive. 

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No, I Of a brace of asses. 
Yeah, that's a technical term. 

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Abrasiveness of hippopotamus, 
two hippopotamus. 

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A group of pandas is called an 
embarrassment, really? 

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Yeah, I guess because they're 
clumsy and flop around that 

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sounds, but that sounds like a 
delight of pandas. 

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Yes, yeah, butterflies are 
really, really different 

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diverse. 
There's butterflies that like 

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help pollinate flowers. 
There's others that destroy 

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crops. 
There's some that live in 

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harmony with ants. 
There's others that eat ants. 

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Yeah, they're just every type of
everything, the caterpillars are

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called an army caterpillars 
because they just destroy 

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everything in a way that just 
eat all the vegetation to go 

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across yet a group of 
butterflies, is not called an 

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Air Force. 
That's weird. 

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So, on a, there's a lot of other
insects, but maybe not regular 

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flies, which is like, hey, how 
lucky because Danny asked, do 

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they have flies on Nathan? 
She's like, well, we have 

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butterflies which is kind of 
like a. 

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No we don't but we have this 
instead, but It doesn't 

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necessarily what she meant. 
Maybe she was trying to change 

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the subject. 
I don't know, but it sounded 

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like, no, they don't have 
regular flies, which is Lucky 

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them. 
Another Place. 

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Another reason why the sound 
Place sounds great except for 

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the death of except for the fact
that we couldn't live there. 

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But the most valuable insect 
there is the silkworm and the 

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silkworm is part of the reason 
why this country is is somewhat 

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Global despite being obscure and
way the heck out there and way 

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off the beaten path because cuz 
silk is an extreme luxury good. 

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And there's lots of people in 
this world or in that world and 

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Planet those who want that. 
And there's been different times

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when though the value of such 
Goods was extremely high because

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well, rich people in particular,
once a by silks, it also has 

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apparently delicate spiced, 
wines and fine hand crafts. 

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Which sounds great, especially 
the spiced wine. 

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People would want to get those 
things. 

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Probably very rare, maybe not as
good as Zarbor wine but maybe 

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maybe one of the few competitive
Industries, certainly rare. 

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So yeah, - that is a deadly 
disease and thread of slavers. 

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It's an extremely lovely place. 
It's tropical and you know it's 

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fertile it's got to be fertile 
because it supports a population

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that doesn't kill animals. 
So they're not eating meat, so 

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they've got to be eaten, you 
know, they got to be get enough 

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food from other sources. 
And there's enough of a 

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population of people keep coming
to try to enslave them. 

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So it's it might be sparse ish, 
but it can't be that sparse if 

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if it's not as far as because 
they're starving. 

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Yeah exactly. 
So let's move on to the actual 

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people themselves rather than 
their Locale. 

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The peaceful people quote, the 
people native to the island or a

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beautiful and gentle race with 
round flat faces. 

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Dusky skin and large soft Amber 
eyes off the flecked with Old, 

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the peaceful people, then a 
theater called by seafarers for 

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they will not fight even in 
defense of their homes and 

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persons and that they do not 
kill, not even Beasts of the 

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field and would they eat fruit. 
Not flesh and make music not war

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Jake. 
Yeah. 

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I was gonna say my kind of 
people use that sound like great

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again except for that. 
Darn butterfly playing would be 

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amazing place to live. 
But yeah, and you wonder this 

450
00:25:07,300 --> 00:25:10,900
isn't mentioned, it wouldn't be.
There's not really a scenario 

451
00:25:10,900 --> 00:25:13,600
where could come up partly 
because the only Not that we 

452
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,000
know of were taken as slaves 
when they were really young. 

453
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,800
So how could they have learned 
the no theme music of their 

454
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,200
people. 
They were too young to have like

455
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,000
learned how to play it. 
They wouldn't have been able to 

456
00:25:22,008 --> 00:25:24,100
keep up practice with it. 
They don't have whatever, 

457
00:25:24,100 --> 00:25:26,000
instruments are native to their 
land. 

458
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,200
So, someone like missandei, 
who's only like 10 or 11. 

459
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:33,000
Now has no has no ability to 
play an instrument but it sounds

460
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,500
like it's something. 
They're really good at their 

461
00:25:34,500 --> 00:25:39,400
songs could be really beautiful,
really impressive, especially 

462
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,400
with something that they have 
worked on for Generations. 

463
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,900
Maybe they have like Ancestral 
music that they passed down, 

464
00:25:45,100 --> 00:25:49,100
things like that, like songs of 
their histories, something like 

465
00:25:49,100 --> 00:25:52,200
that. 
In fact, I the more I say it out

466
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:58,400
loud, the more I feels true and 
it's yet it's one of many things

467
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,300
that connects them vaguely to 
the children of the forest who 

468
00:26:02,300 --> 00:26:05,300
were called the singers, right, 
they also made music, the 

469
00:26:05,300 --> 00:26:08,500
children did make war as well on
the Giants and stuff. 

470
00:26:08,500 --> 00:26:13,200
But still, I'm not saying they 
have everything in common I'd 

471
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,200
rather keep the positive image 
of the Nazi people but I think 

472
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,800
it would be funny if they 
actually really bad at music, 

473
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,700
Everything Was Out Of Tune and 
no sense of Rhythm. 

474
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,200
But they didn't know they had no
relative music to compare it to.

475
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,600
So so happy want to tell him it 
sucked. 

476
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,300
It could be it could be good to 
them if it's like Out Of Tune to

477
00:26:30,300 --> 00:26:32,700
us. 
But really looks at how that's 

478
00:26:32,700 --> 00:26:34,500
so discordant. 
It's so awesome. 

479
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,600
It was the original way to try 
to keep people away from their 

480
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:38,800
Island. 
Like we're not willing to do 

481
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,400
violence to Invaders, but if we 
play really bad music, they will

482
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,200
leave. 
Yeah, since they never took to 

483
00:26:45,208 --> 00:26:48,300
the Sea, we can't go through a 
list of like their Explorations,

484
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,300
but it does seem that the first 
Outsiders to discover them were 

485
00:26:52,300 --> 00:26:54,600
the summer Islanders, which is 
fitting given the fact that 

486
00:26:54,608 --> 00:26:57,100
they're so close by and the 
summer Islanders were and 

487
00:26:57,100 --> 00:26:59,900
perhaps the most Adept at 
exploration, or at least they'd 

488
00:26:59,900 --> 00:27:02,000
be in that discussion. 
If we've heard of Yacht. 

489
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:07,200
Rock We Have? 
Nots rock is not rock. 

490
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,500
It's peaceful music. 
Yes, definitely not metal. 

491
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,000
They don't even know I guess 
pretty peaceful. 

492
00:27:15,100 --> 00:27:19,400
Yeah, I can be. 
So they're probably decent 

493
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,700
neighbors if not good neighbors 
or somewhere Islanders, because 

494
00:27:21,700 --> 00:27:25,000
they're not slavers. 
So that that's one huge benefit 

495
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,700
at least by comparison to all 
the other potential neighbors 

496
00:27:27,700 --> 00:27:29,500
that are around them. 
And I say potential neighbors, 

497
00:27:29,500 --> 00:27:32,200
because we're going to really 
long period of time. 

498
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:37,900
Like what about, ye when ye mean
was a city that actually had 

499
00:27:37,900 --> 00:27:40,800
people living in it where, 
however, long that was ago or 

500
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:45,100
whenever maybe sutorius was more
populated than it was maybe in 

501
00:27:45,100 --> 00:27:49,800
ancient times naath was it's 
connected to that, maybe even 

502
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,500
settled by people from the 
mainland South Oreos because 

503
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,000
people just coming up on an 
island by themselves. 

504
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,200
It's usually not how it works, 
right? 

505
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,000
People usually have to migrate 
to these small Islands at some 

506
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,700
point, you know, they don't 
evolve separate from Humanity 

507
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,000
that Fargo, maybe their land 
separated and some sort of 

508
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,100
continental drift thing, but 
that would be millions of years 

509
00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:16,100
ago. 
So, the seam is likely is just 

510
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,400
something more recent, some 
Adler's long ago, develop their 

511
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,000
cultural Exiles maybe, who 
knows? 

512
00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:27,800
Get rid of those, peaceniks send
them over to that Island pieces 

513
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:28,300
are ready. 
Yeah. 

514
00:28:28,300 --> 00:28:31,500
We're happy to leave and they're
still going well the rest of the

515
00:28:31,500 --> 00:28:35,100
continent is turned to a virtual
hellscape over there. 

516
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,900
Yeah, there's some real just big
on trading in the not be as we 

517
00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:42,300
said, have these great trade 
goods, the silks, the 

518
00:28:42,300 --> 00:28:45,300
handcrafts, the wine somewhere 
Islanders could probably make a 

519
00:28:45,308 --> 00:28:47,200
killing reselling that stuff. 
They could. 

520
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,300
If that stuff is in really high 
demand around the world. 

521
00:28:49,300 --> 00:28:51,200
While the summer Islanders are 
amazing, it's finding the 

522
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,300
marketplaces for those goods. 
And then keeping track of all 

523
00:28:54,300 --> 00:28:57,800
that getting the best prices. 
They can also coming back to 

524
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,300
Nathan with things that they can
trade relatively cheaply and a 

525
00:29:01,300 --> 00:29:04,200
theory, probably all interested 
in all sorts of goods, that 

526
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:05,900
might not have much value 
elsewhere. 

527
00:29:06,100 --> 00:29:07,900
Just because of the Relative 
obscurity in there and 

528
00:29:07,900 --> 00:29:11,300
unavailability locally. 
So probably a lot of opportunity

529
00:29:11,300 --> 00:29:13,300
there. 
So, I'm guessing given that we 

530
00:29:13,300 --> 00:29:15,500
don't hear about westerosi 
visiting their other people. 

531
00:29:15,500 --> 00:29:19,900
Maybe they do, it's probably 
they're number one trading 

532
00:29:19,900 --> 00:29:21,200
partners, probably the summer 
Islands. 

533
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,000
As, for the people there, in 
terms of physical description, 

534
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,700
it says their eyes are often 
flecked with Golder oft flecked 

535
00:29:27,700 --> 00:29:31,000
with gold Masson days are quote,
like molten gold. 

536
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,600
So her eyes might be a little 
even up for her. 

537
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,300
People might be a little 
outstanding, Maybe not, maybe, 

538
00:29:36,900 --> 00:29:39,400
maybe the world of Ice and Fire 
just is a little wrong. 

539
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,100
Because how many subjects do 
they actually have right? 

540
00:29:42,100 --> 00:29:46,700
It seems like the error margin 
is bigger for a race like this. 

541
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,300
There's less known there's more 
obscurity. 

542
00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:52,800
And as our general rule is the 
farther away. 

543
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,300
Westeros, the less likely the 
accuracy is going to be there, I

544
00:29:56,308 --> 00:30:00,900
think with Islands that's even 
more true islands, where there's

545
00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:02,200
a disease that keep you from 
staying. 

546
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,000
There is even it makes that 
reason even bigger. 

547
00:30:05,500 --> 00:30:10,400
So yeah. 
With missandei Rising. 

548
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:15,500
So high in Danny's esteem and 
amongst while a slave just for 

549
00:30:15,500 --> 00:30:19,300
her abilities. 
She was so good at languages and

550
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,000
just thinking about the man. 
Speaking them, both delivering 

551
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,000
them and processing them. 
There's also that odd bit about 

552
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,300
her hearing the scratching and 
the pyramids. 

553
00:30:28,300 --> 00:30:30,300
If you all remember, and I Dance
with Dragons like what? 

554
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,800
This is a really interesting 
mystery that I don't want to 

555
00:30:33,808 --> 00:30:37,200
tackle today what want to bring 
it up as a possible evidence 

556
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:42,200
that something else is is going 
on with her or their, her 

557
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,900
people. 
I mean what is that is that some

558
00:30:44,900 --> 00:30:48,600
sort of magical ability or no? 
It's another maybe a little 

559
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,800
connection to the children of 
the forest but problem with 

560
00:30:50,808 --> 00:30:52,900
connecting to the children of 
the forest is we're really 

561
00:30:52,900 --> 00:30:55,700
really far from Westeros. 
And even if you have like 

562
00:30:55,700 --> 00:30:58,700
continental drift or stuff like 
that, it's still kind of hard to

563
00:30:58,700 --> 00:31:02,000
imagine. 
This was ever Part of Westeros. 

564
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,300
And anyway, I mean it's just so 
far away and I don't know, I'm 

565
00:31:05,300 --> 00:31:07,100
skeptical about that but I'm 
open to it. 

566
00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:09,900
What's that for care fraud? 
In my opinion is the connection.

567
00:31:09,900 --> 00:31:13,200
I was my thought too. 
I'm partial to it. 

568
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,500
I really like the idea that the 
nathi people did at one point 

569
00:31:17,900 --> 00:31:21,800
breed with the Africa for on. 
It could be because they could 

570
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,800
have relocated. 
I mean, if you imagine something

571
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,500
Oreos was once connected to 
Mainland essos long, long long 

572
00:31:27,500 --> 00:31:30,000
ago, then they can be connected,
like where they are now. 

573
00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:33,800
If a Kev Runner, arguably even 
farther away than Westeros is 

574
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,300
because they're all North SOS 
but but you're right, I mean, 

575
00:31:37,300 --> 00:31:40,100
we're talking thousands, if not 
tens of thousands of years ago. 

576
00:31:40,100 --> 00:31:42,900
So like these distances don't 
mean as much when we're talking 

577
00:31:42,900 --> 00:31:47,700
about longer periods of time and
if potential for the continents 

578
00:31:47,700 --> 00:31:49,700
being in different places, if 
we're going back like hundreds 

579
00:31:49,700 --> 00:31:50,800
of thousands or millions of 
years. 

580
00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:54,300
Yeah. 
Also just the more time that 

581
00:31:54,300 --> 00:31:57,400
passes the more opportunity for 
something that would be very 

582
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,000
unusual to happen, something 
that only happens. 

583
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,800
In a thousand years might 
happen, ten times in a hundred 

584
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,100
thousand years, so something 
that's otherwise unpredictable. 

585
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,900
Yeah, that's a good point. 
Her brother Marcela has also 

586
00:32:08,900 --> 00:32:11,100
risen really high, we'll talk 
about him later. 

587
00:32:11,300 --> 00:32:14,200
So we have just a couple of 
examples of nathi and they just 

588
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,500
seem to be like outstanding. 
Maybe, it's just coincidence, 

589
00:32:18,500 --> 00:32:20,600
maybe it's for the purpose of 
the storage or just wants to 

590
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,800
highlight this character because
it's my Sandy's brother, but 

591
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,400
built different. 
They're just built different was

592
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,800
nothing but different, I mean 
better better. 

593
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,900
Yes, little yellow different 
better there. 

594
00:32:30,100 --> 00:32:31,600
Kind of like what does that? 
What was that? 

595
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,100
That was an ad for a new print 
or some sort of medicine at 

596
00:32:35,100 --> 00:32:36,700
reference. 
Yeah, it's a little old 

597
00:32:36,700 --> 00:32:38,500
medicine. 
Some medicine commercials 

598
00:32:38,500 --> 00:32:42,000
medicine reference really, I 
won't be the only one to get 

599
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,600
that, but I'm sure some people 
more money. 

600
00:32:44,700 --> 00:32:50,200
My age will get that one much, 
not not a sham and I'm referring

601
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:51,900
to their eyes. 
Their eyes are a little golden 

602
00:32:51,900 --> 00:32:53,600
eyes, a little golden yellow 
eyes. 

603
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,800
But interestingly multiple 
times? 

604
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,800
Danny brings up taking missandei
back there. 

605
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,200
My son. 
Just like I don't know about 

606
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,100
that. 
She's not super Earth enthralled

607
00:33:04,100 --> 00:33:08,200
with the idea of going back. 
And I mean she was taken when 

608
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,800
she was probably, like 45 years 
old surprise and have great 

609
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,400
memories of it. 
And she also says, she might be 

610
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,400
taken by the slavers again. 
She's kind of afraid of that and

611
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,300
which go figure. 
She's worried about her 

612
00:33:18,300 --> 00:33:21,500
childhood trauma occurring. 
Again, I totally get that. 

613
00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:24,100
I mean, it makes sense like not,
I'd rather not go back to the to

614
00:33:24,100 --> 00:33:26,200
where that happened. 
Where I'm It's less against that

615
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,100
happening again. 
So, you example, there was a 

616
00:33:28,108 --> 00:33:30,800
masonic a she asked, if she 
wants to go back and missandei 

617
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:35,300
goes, nah, nah. 
Yeah, he goes, finish your 

618
00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:39,600
words. 
Yeah, I didn't even think of it 

619
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,300
till just now, but I wonder if 
George is trying to create a 

620
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:49,300
parallel or contrast or whatever
that was Sunday, you know, was 

621
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:54,300
taken from her home, too young 
to really know where understand 

622
00:33:54,300 --> 00:33:56,700
what her home was. 
In the first place or why she 

623
00:33:56,700 --> 00:33:59,000
was taken from there, but she 
has this new life now. 

624
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,600
Whose else is that? 
Sound like Danny? 

625
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,500
I'd really. 
Yeah, this is the room Danny's. 

626
00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:05,900
Not this her room door. 
Yeah. 

627
00:34:06,300 --> 00:34:09,000
And Danny is almost obsessed 
with going back home. 

628
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,900
Where my son is, okay. 
I don't care about going back 

629
00:34:11,900 --> 00:34:14,400
home. 
Yeah, I wonder if maybe my 

630
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,600
Sunday has the better idea, you 
know? 

631
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,199
Like she's not attached to the 
same as she doesn't really even 

632
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:22,199
understand where Danny is and 
maybe it's a mistake that I 

633
00:34:22,207 --> 00:34:24,199
don't know. 
It's funny because I mean 

634
00:34:24,300 --> 00:34:26,500
missandei is kind of, is it now 
attached to a thing. 

635
00:34:26,500 --> 00:34:28,600
She also doesn't really 
understand, which is Danny 

636
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:33,300
request for her home. 
So either way, she's a part of a

637
00:34:33,699 --> 00:34:38,600
kind of vain Quest and maybe 
maybe Miss Sunday cares more 

638
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:44,100
about Danny's Quest For Justice 
and rolled up in that is Danny 

639
00:34:44,100 --> 00:34:46,500
wanting to get back home. 
But maybe that's also a mistake 

640
00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:48,900
to Danny's making it like look 
just do the right thing where 

641
00:34:48,900 --> 00:34:51,100
you are now and stop worrying 
about getting back home. 

642
00:34:51,100 --> 00:34:54,000
Like maybe I'm imposing too much
in my thoughts about what Dana 

643
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,000
should do. 
But I just never occurred to me 

644
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,400
that, that sort of difference, 
in that both similarity and 

645
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,700
difference between Liam Sunday? 
Yeah, it really is. 

646
00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:04,000
I mean honestly I have some 
notes on that later in the 

647
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,200
episodes will come back to this 
a bit but that's a yeah you're 

648
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:07,300
right. 
You're totally right to think of

649
00:35:07,308 --> 00:35:12,000
that and it's yeah it's a place.
She can t imagine to play. 

650
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,900
She could not have all these 
responsibilities. 

651
00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:17,300
It's something she thinks about 
when she's overwhelmed with all 

652
00:35:17,300 --> 00:35:21,000
she has to do missandei says she
feels safe with Danny and that's

653
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,400
that's maybe as much as 
important as anything else 

654
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,900
because she's still really young
like half her life has been in 

655
00:35:26,900 --> 00:35:30,100
slavery, in the other half was 
she was super, super young and 

656
00:35:30,100 --> 00:35:31,400
has As private. 
Very dim memory. 

657
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,800
Yeah, so, so yeah. 
So safety is high up on her 

658
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,400
list. 
Like, she's not an adult so like

659
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:38,900
she's not able to fend for 
herself. 

660
00:35:38,900 --> 00:35:42,300
Despite her extreme capacity, 
her big brain. 

661
00:35:42,300 --> 00:35:44,900
You know she still not able to 
fend for herself despite that 

662
00:35:44,900 --> 00:35:47,300
especially given where she is. 
She's like I'm in Marine still 

663
00:35:47,300 --> 00:35:48,300
y'all. 
Like if you're if you're going 

664
00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:50,300
to take ship to leave I'm going 
with you no matter where you're 

665
00:35:50,300 --> 00:35:52,600
going you want to take me back 
there. 

666
00:35:53,300 --> 00:35:56,400
Well that would better than 
being here but I feel safe with 

667
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:01,400
you. 
So, the Lord of Harmony, that is

668
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,100
the god of Nath later. 
Danny thinks about the Lord of 

669
00:36:05,107 --> 00:36:08,300
Harmony and feels like, it 
sounds lonely to be what the 

670
00:36:08,300 --> 00:36:10,300
lord of Harmony is, which is a 
really interesting. 

671
00:36:12,300 --> 00:36:15,200
Culmination of Danny's beliefs 
and character aspects. 

672
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,300
So yeah, we'll come back to that
but let's talk about the Lord of

673
00:36:18,308 --> 00:36:19,700
Harmony for now. 
Here's a quote. 

674
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,500
Yeah, first off, I want to say, 
I appreciate Michael Clark Field

675
00:36:22,500 --> 00:36:27,200
as he drew the Lord of Harmony 
for his map and he drew him, 

676
00:36:27,700 --> 00:36:31,000
referencing Prince. 
Hmm. 

677
00:36:31,100 --> 00:36:38,400
Frances the Lord of Harmony. 
Anyways, is that the essos map 

678
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,200
he did? 
Yes, that's on the SS map, 

679
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:44,300
exactly. 
Anyways, Quote, the god of Nath 

680
00:36:44,300 --> 00:36:48,300
is called the Lord of Harmony 
often shown as a laughing giant 

681
00:36:48,300 --> 00:36:52,400
bearded and naked always 
attended by swarms of Slender 

682
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,300
maidens. 
With butterfly wings 100 

683
00:36:55,300 --> 00:36:58,700
varieties of butterflies flutter
about the island. 

684
00:36:58,700 --> 00:37:02,700
The nathi, Revere them, as 
messengers of the Lord charged, 

685
00:37:02,700 --> 00:37:04,200
with the protection of his 
people. 

686
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,800
Mayhaps. 
There is some truth to these 

687
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:11,000
Legends for whilst the docile 
nature of the nathi seemed to 

688
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:15,400
make their Ripe for Conquest, 
strangers from Beyond the Sea. 

689
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,900
Do not live long upon the Isle 
of butterflies. 

690
00:37:19,900 --> 00:37:23,000
In some sense, it's like the 
opposite, the death, the the 

691
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,700
butterfly stuff. 
It's like when like the 

692
00:37:26,700 --> 00:37:29,600
Conquistadors came to South 
America, the diseases they 

693
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,300
brought with them wiped out the 
locals rather than the other way

694
00:37:32,300 --> 00:37:36,000
around. 
But people who visited like 

695
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,000
natives who were brought back a 
lot of like slaves who were 

696
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,700
brought over seas suffered a 
similar fate, they didn't have 

697
00:37:41,700 --> 00:37:44,900
the immune system that developed
in the place. 

698
00:37:44,900 --> 00:37:48,900
They were being taken to nor was
there enough cross-continental 

699
00:37:48,900 --> 00:37:52,500
traffic for those antibodies to 
make their way into the various 

700
00:37:52,500 --> 00:37:56,100
societies ahead of time. 
The Nazi, see the Lord of 

701
00:37:56,107 --> 00:37:59,100
Harmony as the one true God. 
It's a monotheistic religion 

702
00:37:59,100 --> 00:38:04,400
which opens up a lot of IRL 
religious comparisons because of

703
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:08,200
the, the line swarms of Slender 
maidens with butterfly wings, 

704
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,100
kind of like sexualized Angels 
or silk sir certain versions of 

705
00:38:12,100 --> 00:38:14,400
fairy of course Ferry is a 
pretty wide open term. 

706
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,400
It's a protector figure that 
enables their pacifism. 

707
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,300
It's pretty hard to be a 
pacifist as I've said in this 

708
00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:24,700
world even on an island. 
When there is a particularly 

709
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,600
When world, the only reason you 
wouldn't get wiped out as a 

710
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,800
pacifist Society, especially 
this dedicated to pacifism, is 

711
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,600
because they have this 
protective element, whether it's

712
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,900
the God, protecting them. 
Whether it's just, this strange,

713
00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:43,400
Quirk of nature that immune 
systems work, a certain way, or 

714
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,500
a combination of both, which 
kind of how I like to perceive. 

715
00:38:46,500 --> 00:38:49,800
It seems like a good way to 
imagine things in a fantasy 

716
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:50,800
world where these things are 
happening. 

717
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:55,300
But it's, it's for that reason, 
it's Unique, bro. 

718
00:38:55,300 --> 00:39:01,000
I mean, there's I don't lamb men
of the lazzarini nor also fairly

719
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,900
pacifistic but not to this 
degree. 

720
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:09,100
But it is another person we 
think of, when we think of the 

721
00:39:09,100 --> 00:39:11,400
whole, what is life. 
When you know what is life, when

722
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,300
you've lost everything around 
you that mirri Maz duur says, 

723
00:39:13,300 --> 00:39:16,900
this is kind of where missandei 
and Danny have both found 

724
00:39:16,900 --> 00:39:19,300
themselves. 
Even though Danny is at least 

725
00:39:19,900 --> 00:39:23,700
not responsible for that being 
inflicted on mirri. 

726
00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:28,400
Maz duur. but she didn't 
perceive it as an evil when it 

727
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:35,500
when it very much was, and 
There's an episode of Star Trek 

728
00:39:35,500 --> 00:39:37,300
the Next Generation that really 
reminds me of this. 

729
00:39:37,300 --> 00:39:41,000
There's an episode where they 
find a Proto a human culture, 

730
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:45,500
that's extremely primitive and 
there's this like alien presence

731
00:39:45,500 --> 00:39:49,500
that protects them and enforces.
These really really harsh laws, 

732
00:39:49,500 --> 00:39:53,600
like Wesley Crusher is playing 
catch and he falls into some 

733
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,500
plants and they're like, well, 
you're gonna be executed now 

734
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,600
what you like and they have the 
prime directive. 

735
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,900
So they're not allowed in A fear
but they can't just allow their 

736
00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:06,100
crew member to be executed 
either in like, well what do we 

737
00:40:06,100 --> 00:40:07,600
do here? 
So, yeah. 

738
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,700
Anyway, I'm going to describe 
the whole episode but it's kind 

739
00:40:10,700 --> 00:40:12,300
of like that where like if you 
don't there's this 

740
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:18,200
overwhelmingly powerful 
unexplained, Godlike being 

741
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:22,700
protecting these really happy 
friendly. 

742
00:40:23,100 --> 00:40:27,100
Untouched like Garden of Eden 
style naive naive. 

743
00:40:27,100 --> 00:40:28,800
Yes, very nice. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

744
00:40:29,300 --> 00:40:31,900
You know, it reminds me a little
bit of the time machine to but 

745
00:40:31,900 --> 00:40:34,000
before I say, As a couple of the
thoughts that have been like 

746
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,400
sternum me for a second here, 
the idea is really hard to be a 

747
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,600
pacifist in this world. 
It's it's it wouldn't be hard if

748
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,700
everyone did it. 
It's only hard because some 

749
00:40:44,700 --> 00:40:46,500
people don't do it. 
It'd be really easy to be a 

750
00:40:46,500 --> 00:40:48,300
pacifist. 
If everyone was a passenger. 

751
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,200
It is always hard getting people
on the same page and this world 

752
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,700
or any world. 
Yeah, another that to you just 

753
00:40:55,700 --> 00:40:59,200
the idea of just a couple 
thoughts. 

754
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,300
Swirling in me that, I don't 
know where to go with him. 

755
00:41:01,300 --> 00:41:03,000
Exactly. 
But it's what about how? 

756
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:07,500
There's just the nasty people 
just have this one. 

757
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:12,700
True God, which is different 
from most of the rest of Planet 

758
00:41:12,700 --> 00:41:17,400
hosts culture that there are a 
couple exceptions but I think 

759
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:18,600
even some of the other 
exceptions. 

760
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,200
Still, like the boys do 
knowledge of the Gods, even if 

761
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,300
they don't worship them, right? 
Even the other monotheistic 

762
00:41:23,300 --> 00:41:25,300
religions like real or has a 
great other. 

763
00:41:25,300 --> 00:41:26,900
Like it's actually to God's at 
War. 

764
00:41:26,900 --> 00:41:29,200
As far as we know, there is no 
counterpart to the Lord of 

765
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,700
Harmony, like the Lord of 
disharmony, or should. 

766
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:40,100
And but that's good. 
But yeah so I want to think 

767
00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:42,800
about that for a second and also
think I had this idea of maybe 

768
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,700
what kind of symbolic idea 
George potentially had whether 

769
00:41:46,700 --> 00:41:49,500
he actually had it or had it but
it evolved over time. 

770
00:41:49,500 --> 00:41:51,700
But but I don't know. 
Just think about the idea that 

771
00:41:51,700 --> 00:41:56,400
maybe Sunday is going to come 
out of her cocoon at some point.

772
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,500
You know, let's close our maybe 
the or maybe her brother or the 

773
00:42:00,500 --> 00:42:03,500
nephew people in general. 
That, you know, maybe they will 

774
00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:05,300
Bloom. 
If you will into something 

775
00:42:05,300 --> 00:42:08,100
bigger or more beautiful, and 
maybe that could happen with 

776
00:42:08,100 --> 00:42:10,300
their religion or their belief 
about God. 

777
00:42:10,300 --> 00:42:15,800
And Harmony also, it seems to 
tertiary, or course she area to 

778
00:42:16,100 --> 00:42:19,400
to get that involved in that the
central plot lines that are 

779
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,100
going on. 
But I don't know. 

780
00:42:22,100 --> 00:42:24,500
But just a thought, just a 
thought that you, maybe, maybe 

781
00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:27,200
not the Lord of Harmony or the 
Nazi people, but maybe we're 

782
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,600
lures idea of there being only 
one true God. 

783
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,400
And it did. 
Yeah, seven of Westeros are 

784
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:35,700
going to fall and that would be 
Sort of a new Blossom. 

785
00:42:35,700 --> 00:42:38,100
You know, something that's in a 
cocoon is going to come out and 

786
00:42:38,100 --> 00:42:39,800
fly over all the rest of 
everything. 

787
00:42:41,700 --> 00:42:47,300
But um, so anyway, sorry for 
that ramble, but in The Time 

788
00:42:47,300 --> 00:42:50,000
Machine, by the way, spoiler 
alert in case you're about to 

789
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,300
read The Time Machine. 
I could just go back in time to 

790
00:42:52,300 --> 00:42:56,500
before that. 
Yeah, it was, it was so 

791
00:42:56,500 --> 00:42:58,400
different than what I thought it
was gonna be, you know, I 

792
00:42:58,408 --> 00:43:01,100
thought, you know, when I think 
of a time machine or maybe if I 

793
00:43:01,107 --> 00:43:03,400
was going to write about a time 
machine, I think about, like 

794
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,100
going back into past the change 
things or going to Future, see 

795
00:43:06,100 --> 00:43:08,400
what's going to happen and 
coming back to the presents for 

796
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,300
to give a warning, whatever. 
But it really was, I realized 

797
00:43:12,300 --> 00:43:15,100
this more like a like a 
dystopian. 

798
00:43:15,100 --> 00:43:18,000
It's closer to like, you know, I
do 1984 Brave New World or 

799
00:43:18,008 --> 00:43:20,500
something. 
He goes way into the future, 

800
00:43:20,500 --> 00:43:24,500
like hundreds of thousands of 
years into the future and I 

801
00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:26,800
think there's some other like 
maybe first, he goes like two 

802
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,800
hours into the future and 
doesn't even realize that he did

803
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,400
it, you know, isn't fooling 
around but the Crux of it is 

804
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,700
like hundreds of Of years into 
the future and the world has 

805
00:43:35,700 --> 00:43:40,800
evolved at first, it seems and 
to this very pacifistic Paradise

806
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:45,300
naive culture where everyone 
they don't know how to read, but

807
00:43:45,300 --> 00:43:48,200
they have plenty of food. 
They only eat fruit, no killing 

808
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,700
no meet, you know? 
But it turns out that there's 

809
00:43:51,700 --> 00:43:57,400
this underground tribe of people
who are, Who harvest? 

810
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:01,300
The, I think this the morlocks 
are underground than that Eli or

811
00:44:01,300 --> 00:44:05,000
something or above ground. 
Into these darker. 

812
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,200
This darker race underground 
provides for the upper race, but

813
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,700
then also, They have to be 
sacrificed. 

814
00:44:12,700 --> 00:44:15,000
So it's like that's kind of like
the Matrix then to right, there 

815
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,200
are making everyone feel happy 
but they're not really. 

816
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,400
Yeah, actually being harvested. 
Yeah. 

817
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:20,800
Yeah, it's a simile at similar 
truck. 

818
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:21,700
That makes sense. 
Cool. 

819
00:44:21,700 --> 00:44:23,200
Yeah. 
Now I don't know if you have the

820
00:44:23,207 --> 00:44:26,300
same harvesting element it going
on in math but the idea that 

821
00:44:26,300 --> 00:44:29,600
they're this very pacifistic, I 
don't eat meat, but, but there 

822
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,300
is this dark element mixed in 
there too. 

823
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,600
There is a dark element. 
Yeah, with the disease and yeah,

824
00:44:34,700 --> 00:44:36,900
and maybe more, but yeah, it is 
interesting that they don't seem

825
00:44:36,900 --> 00:44:39,700
to have like a, like a devil 
figure, you know, there's no 

826
00:44:39,700 --> 00:44:41,100
Satan equivalent storm. 
God. 

827
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,900
To their Drowned God or great 
other two they're real or at 

828
00:44:43,900 --> 00:44:47,000
least as far as we know it's 
gonna be people that isn't super

829
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,600
well. 
Export like for example what is 

830
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,600
there, what is there long night?
Myth look like, do they have 

831
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,700
one? 
They probably do but we you know

832
00:44:53,700 --> 00:44:57,600
that we're not really exposed to
their myth Cycles in their 

833
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:02,800
history because of the 
difficulty in contacting their 

834
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,500
people and establishing 
relations and things like that. 

835
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,800
Yeah, we're probably lucky to 
have as much information as we 

836
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,600
do given their basic nature, 
right? 

837
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,200
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 
It's often interesting to 

838
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,200
compare in World scholarly texts
like the world of Ice and Fire. 

839
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,000
Two knowledge is it's probably 
closer to the source. 

840
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,200
Like in this quote, Danny 
speaking on what she's learned 

841
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:26,600
from a Sunday Missandei had told
her of the Lord of Harmony 

842
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,000
worshipped by the peaceful 
people of naath. 

843
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,400
He was the only true God, her 
little scribe said the God who 

844
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:38,200
always was, and always would be 
who made the moon and stars and 

845
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:43,000
Earth and all the creatures that
dwelt upon them, poor Lord of 

846
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:47,900
Harmony Danny pitied him. 
It must be terrible to be alone 

847
00:45:47,900 --> 00:45:51,300
for all time. 
Attended by hordes of butterfly 

848
00:45:51,300 --> 00:45:55,000
women you could make or unmake. 
At a word. 

849
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,200
Well, pitying, a God. 
That's a mood, isn't it? 

850
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:02,200
Like you gotta. 
Danny is not a normal being but 

851
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,100
I do get it. 
I'm not, that's not an insult 

852
00:46:04,100 --> 00:46:06,300
dateable. 
To hers is exactly, which is 

853
00:46:06,300 --> 00:46:08,800
it's not relatable to normal 
people but to her it is like 

854
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,900
she's on top of a pyramid, 
looking down on Marine when she 

855
00:46:11,900 --> 00:46:14,100
has this moment. 
So it is by hordes of what. 

856
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,500
Exactly has she has her? 
Her handmaid? 

857
00:46:17,500 --> 00:46:22,300
She has missandei specifically 
who is like exactly one of those

858
00:46:22,300 --> 00:46:24,800
beings because she's not the The
that would be one of the 

859
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,700
butterfly women's almost her. 
Yeah. 

860
00:46:26,700 --> 00:46:28,600
So, yeah, I'm not criticizing 
Danny. 

861
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,900
I think this is very 
understandable given her 

862
00:46:31,900 --> 00:46:36,400
position in life and her lack of
her own family history that 

863
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,400
she's got a direct connection to
she knows it's there and she's 

864
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,300
heard of it, like the targaryens
are famous and all that 

865
00:46:41,300 --> 00:46:44,100
obviously, but she's 
disconnected from that on a 

866
00:46:44,100 --> 00:46:46,300
personal level. 
So she feels a lot of these 

867
00:46:46,300 --> 00:46:50,300
other things in, she's got to 
fill in that Gap with other 

868
00:46:50,300 --> 00:46:53,600
things and yeah like like Sean 
was smart to bring up a fourth 

869
00:46:53,700 --> 00:46:56,000
Yeah, it's this is her red door.
In a lot of ways is thinking 

870
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:02,000
about she's romanticizing. 
Someone else's lost childhood 

871
00:47:02,500 --> 00:47:06,100
over hers, partly because she 
doesn't know that much about her

872
00:47:06,100 --> 00:47:09,600
own, and I mean, this 
description sounds amazing. 

873
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,300
It sounds like, yeah, I'd love 
to go there where it's out of 

874
00:47:13,308 --> 00:47:16,800
the way and people don't kill, 
and there's songs. 

875
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:21,200
And yeah, Danny seems to not be 
getting this butterfly part that

876
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,400
you can't actually go there. 
For very long. 

877
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,000
Like, she just got him glosses 
over that when she's thinking 

878
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:31,000
about it. 
But hey, you know, she's 

879
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,600
daydreaming, you're allowed to 
do that. 

880
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,500
So in real life pacifism, isn't 
that uncommon in various 

881
00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:41,200
scriptures though? 
There's what's written and what 

882
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,600
people actually do. 
Of course, there's always 

883
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,200
there's a lot of differences and
what's written, what people 

884
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:50,100
actually do out in life, the 5 
precepts of Buddhism include. 

885
00:47:50,100 --> 00:47:52,100
Number one is a belief and not 
killing anything. 

886
00:47:52,100 --> 00:47:55,900
That breathes even, you know, 
plenty of Buddhists, don't do 

887
00:47:55,900 --> 00:47:57,800
that, there have been Buddhist 
armies. 

888
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,800
See that's a thing as maybe that
sounds like Oxymoron. 

889
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,900
But you know, if you go back in 
history that's been a thing 

890
00:48:03,300 --> 00:48:07,000
obviously doesn't really align 
with their belief systems to do 

891
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:12,700
that but people have obviously 
more egregiously gone against 

892
00:48:12,700 --> 00:48:15,500
religious texts than that. 
It's not even that different 

893
00:48:15,500 --> 00:48:18,300
from Thou shalt not kill. 
It's not the first of the Ten 

894
00:48:18,300 --> 00:48:19,900
Commandments. 
It's usually the fifth, the 

895
00:48:19,900 --> 00:48:24,900
order kind of depends on which 
version you look at either way 

896
00:48:25,100 --> 00:48:29,800
it's still, you know, in there. 
There's many versions of 

897
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,500
pacifism and that aren't 
religious as well in the real 

898
00:48:32,500 --> 00:48:35,500
life in real life. 
But they tend to the way the 

899
00:48:35,500 --> 00:48:38,700
argument tends to fall is 
whether or not self-defense is 

900
00:48:38,700 --> 00:48:42,900
okay, that's tends to be where a
lot of the Crux of pacifism 

901
00:48:42,900 --> 00:48:44,300
fall. 
Some verses pacifism we're like 

902
00:48:44,300 --> 00:48:46,000
yes, absolutely self-defense is 
okay. 

903
00:48:46,700 --> 00:48:51,000
Some verses passivism like the 
naughty version is just no 

904
00:48:51,100 --> 00:48:53,800
outright no form of violence is 
okay? 

905
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:55,500
No matter what not even 
self-defense. 

906
00:48:57,500 --> 00:49:01,700
Almost all versions of real life
pacifists agree that serving in 

907
00:49:01,700 --> 00:49:03,900
any sort of military is goes 
against their beliefs because 

908
00:49:03,900 --> 00:49:06,000
almost no military is purely 
defensive. 

909
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,700
And even in that sense, you, you
lose your ability to make 

910
00:49:08,700 --> 00:49:10,800
decisions on your own and it's 
your individual choice, that 

911
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:15,300
enables it to stay that way. 
Another criticism, one of the 

912
00:49:15,300 --> 00:49:18,100
one of the arguments against 
pacifism of courses that it's 

913
00:49:18,300 --> 00:49:20,700
isn't, it better to have 
thousands died to prevent the 

914
00:49:20,707 --> 00:49:22,800
death of millions. 
It's like I'm pure maths like 

915
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,200
yeah, I guess so. 
But what kind of long-term are 

916
00:49:26,207 --> 00:49:27,200
we talking about? 
You know? 

917
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,100
That's, yeah. 
How sure are you? 

918
00:49:29,100 --> 00:49:30,800
That you will be saving 
Millions? 

919
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,300
It will only be thousands. 
It dies. 

920
00:49:32,300 --> 00:49:34,200
It's a slippery slope but yeah, 
exactly. 

921
00:49:34,300 --> 00:49:39,200
Yeah. 
Yeah, you know, you know, Gandhi

922
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:43,400
had his own kind of awkward and 
distasteful at Aesthetic 

923
00:49:44,500 --> 00:49:47,700
elements, but his idea of 
pacifism, was it known even in 

924
00:49:47,700 --> 00:49:50,300
not in self-defense? 
His idea was it, absolute 

925
00:49:50,300 --> 00:49:51,000
fastest. 
Yeah. 

926
00:49:51,100 --> 00:49:54,500
Fundamentally and the end humans
are good. 

927
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:59,400
And that if you just literally, 
let someone beat you to death, 

928
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,600
the person beating you to death,
eventually will realize they're 

929
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,200
doing something wrong and if 
they don't the rest of culture 

930
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,100
will and they will stop it from 
happening, it was kind of right.

931
00:50:07,100 --> 00:50:11,100
Like the the British soldiers 
literally opened machine guns on

932
00:50:11,100 --> 00:50:15,400
people sitting down and Sugar 
hundreds of people and then the 

933
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,700
rest of the world was like okay.
That's you can't do that anymore

934
00:50:17,700 --> 00:50:18,900
in England's like yep you're 
right. 

935
00:50:18,900 --> 00:50:21,100
We can't believe we did that. 
You can be independent. 

936
00:50:21,100 --> 00:50:23,800
Now we're getting out of here, 
you know that it took a terrible

937
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:28,700
sacrifice but it's the basic 
cure pacifism did work for the 

938
00:50:28,700 --> 00:50:30,400
benefit of a billion people, you
know. 

939
00:50:30,900 --> 00:50:34,100
And of course India is a very 
Hindu country and one version of

940
00:50:34,100 --> 00:50:37,600
Hindu is Jainism. 
And that's the most similar that

941
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:42,400
I could find to the belief 
system of the peaceful people of

942
00:50:42,408 --> 00:50:46,900
the not. 
Because Jainism is sure no harm 

943
00:50:46,900 --> 00:50:49,500
to anything. 
No harm to animals, no harm to 

944
00:50:49,500 --> 00:50:52,800
people. 
Nothing that leads to violence 

945
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,200
indirectly. 
Not necessarily vegan because 

946
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,600
you're allowed to have milk from
an animal if the male animal 

947
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:03,200
wasn't harmed, but you they may 
find themselves having to choose

948
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,600
veganism in order to avoid harm 
to animals because a lot of 

949
00:51:05,607 --> 00:51:09,800
times, it's hard to in the real 
world get products from animals 

950
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,900
that don't involve harming them.
They don't even. 

951
00:51:13,900 --> 00:51:16,900
By the way, eat root vegetables.
It's because you have to kill 

952
00:51:16,900 --> 00:51:18,300
the whole playing. 
You have to like uproot the 

953
00:51:18,308 --> 00:51:20,600
whole plant and kill it. 
So you can eat the berries and 

954
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,000
apples off of a tree or whatever
and not kill it. 

955
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,400
But if you pull up the potato 
from the earth, you kill the 

956
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,200
whole thing. 
They don't even want to do that.

957
00:51:27,300 --> 00:51:30,200
Yep, you're totally right. 
Yeah, so that's that's absolute 

958
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:34,100
pacifism and that I would guess 
is the best model we have for 

959
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,900
the naafi in the real world. 
There's something like four to 

960
00:51:36,900 --> 00:51:40,800
five million Janus in the world 
right now and they're Amish. 

961
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,800
I would maybe be the closest 
like American versions of that 

962
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,700
but I think even Quakers believe
in self defense. 

963
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:53,100
I think Amish do as well but 
very limited. 

964
00:51:53,700 --> 00:51:55,900
They're, they're pretty, they're
not as quite as pacifist. 

965
00:51:55,900 --> 00:51:58,900
This is Jana. 
Slickers, vegetarian, did I not 

966
00:51:58,900 --> 00:52:01,500
know? 
I think some of these but I 

967
00:52:01,500 --> 00:52:04,800
don't think so. 
I think they know I don't think 

968
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:06,700
they're. 
Yeah, I don't think they eat 

969
00:52:06,700 --> 00:52:09,100
animal. 
Yeah, pretty sure I wish. 

970
00:52:09,100 --> 00:52:10,700
I knew a little better. 
I'm definitely don't. 

971
00:52:10,700 --> 00:52:13,100
They're definitely Aryan 
Christian sects. 

972
00:52:13,300 --> 00:52:15,500
Yeah, yeah. 
And those tend to be the 

973
00:52:15,500 --> 00:52:18,900
pacifistic ones. 
So yeah, like I Sean and I have 

974
00:52:18,900 --> 00:52:23,300
a mutual lung a friend from a 
long way back, who is a vegan 

975
00:52:23,300 --> 00:52:26,000
advocate for Christians? 
He's a super Christian guy who's

976
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,900
also thinks that all Christians 
should be vegan. 

977
00:52:27,900 --> 00:52:32,600
So, he believes scripture should
be interpreted that way, not a 

978
00:52:32,607 --> 00:52:36,200
lot of people agree. 
But hey, it's a valid point as 

979
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:40,100
far as I'm concerned. 
I do know, a fundamental 

980
00:52:40,100 --> 00:52:41,800
difference between Amish and 
Quakers. 

981
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,600
Amish are very much about 
following the scripture. 

982
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:47,700
They very much want to try to 
fault. 

983
00:52:47,700 --> 00:52:50,200
Now the scripture has a lot of 
contradictions so I don't know, 

984
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,800
quite how to handle it, but I 
believe Quakers are a little bit

985
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,800
more. 
Like try to figure out the right

986
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:56,900
thing. 
Like follow your inner goodness,

987
00:52:56,900 --> 00:52:59,300
you know, and hopefully that 
lines up with scripture, but 

988
00:52:59,300 --> 00:53:01,200
fundamentally you got to do what
you believe is, right? 

989
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:06,000
Modern Quakers, actually aren't 
All Christian anymore, they cite

990
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,800
other religious texts. 
Like there's there's a famous 

991
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:13,000
quote, famous quote, unquote 
famous Quaker, who sites from 

992
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:14,900
the Quran, quite a bit because 
yeah, it's more it because 

993
00:53:14,900 --> 00:53:16,600
you're because that fits in with
your saying, they care more 

994
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:20,200
about good than what people 
wrote down in the past, you 

995
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,600
know, it's is what is good is 
what's good? 

996
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,200
That doesn't, you know, you 
don't need necessary. 

997
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,600
Need a book to tell you that, so
they don't want to rely on 

998
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,200
scripture for that. 
So the, yeah, I went to a quaker

999
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:31,800
school when I was in first 
grade. 

1000
00:53:31,900 --> 00:53:34,800
So let's talk about the Let's 
get into their academics a 

1001
00:53:34,808 --> 00:53:36,800
little bit here. 
Someone does suspect the 

1002
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:42,200
butterfly a certain archmaester 
quote archmaester ebro's who has

1003
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,600
made a study of all known 
accounts of the Affliction 

1004
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,300
believes that. 
It is spread by the butterflies 

1005
00:53:48,300 --> 00:53:50,500
that the peaceful people Revere 
for. 

1006
00:53:50,500 --> 00:53:54,600
This reason, the disease is 
often called Butterfly fever. 

1007
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,600
Some believe the fever is 
carried only by one particular, 

1008
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:02,800
sort of butterfly, a large black
and white variety with wings as 

1009
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,400
big as a man. 
Hand is favored by Eros, but 

1010
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:10,300
this remains conjecture whether 
the butterflies of, nah, they're

1011
00:54:10,300 --> 00:54:12,200
true. 
Handmaids of the Lord of 

1012
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:16,300
Harmony, or no more than common 
insects like their cousins in 

1013
00:54:16,300 --> 00:54:21,100
the Seven Kingdoms, it may well 
be that the nathi are not wrong 

1014
00:54:21,100 --> 00:54:25,000
in regarding them as Guardians. 
So someone does respect the 

1015
00:54:25,008 --> 00:54:27,600
butterfly, glad to see that 
someone figured it out. 

1016
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,500
No, none of this butterfly 
propaganda getting around 

1017
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,400
picturing mindset, butterfly 
being like eBay. 

1018
00:54:33,500 --> 00:54:40,600
Bro. 
Yeah, it was the butterfly. 

1019
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:45,000
Sure. 
Yeah. 

1020
00:54:45,100 --> 00:54:48,700
So it's a nasty disease. 
It's brutal. 

1021
00:54:48,700 --> 00:54:51,600
And just yeah, like you said 
Shawn, it's with something 

1022
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:55,000
that's a little out of sync with
all the rest of the vibe of this

1023
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,300
island because it's just so 
gross. 

1024
00:54:57,300 --> 00:55:00,800
Sounding for example, here's the
quote that describes just that 

1025
00:55:01,700 --> 00:55:05,300
Fever is the first sign of this 
plague followed by painful 

1026
00:55:05,300 --> 00:55:09,500
spasms that make it seem as if 
victims are dancing wildly and 

1027
00:55:09,500 --> 00:55:13,400
uncontrollably in the last 
stage, The Afflicted, sweat 

1028
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:17,300
blood and their flesh sloths 
from their bones. 

1029
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:18,900
What the hell? 
You know. 

1030
00:55:18,900 --> 00:55:21,000
You dance. 
You know the chill dancing 

1031
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:22,000
disease. 
Yeah. 

1032
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:25,200
How does that? 
How does it? 

1033
00:55:25,207 --> 00:55:27,500
How does dancing Sean feel about
this? 

1034
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,200
I would rather do a different 
dance. 

1035
00:55:31,900 --> 00:55:34,200
You know, I'm not being serious 
when I say this, but Loki, 

1036
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,600
reason my son to be like, you 
know what, maybe my immunity 

1037
00:55:37,100 --> 00:55:41,000
isn't his Wayne since I'm not 
there amongst the butterflies, 

1038
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:42,700
and I don't know if I should go 
back. 

1039
00:55:42,700 --> 00:55:43,900
We don't understand how it 
works. 

1040
00:55:43,900 --> 00:55:48,700
It's, it's very possibly, just a
real world thing, you know, like

1041
00:55:48,700 --> 00:55:51,300
a nature, or natural disease. 
It's transmitted. 

1042
00:55:51,300 --> 00:55:54,000
Now that would be a little 
outside of what we know about 

1043
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:55,600
butterflies. 
Can the real world butterflies 

1044
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,200
can transmit diseases, not to 
people. 

1045
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,700
They can carry diseases but they
can't transmit them to There's 

1046
00:56:01,700 --> 00:56:06,200
no Vector for like butterflies, 
can't bite you but they can 

1047
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,100
carry parasites. 
Like any living thing. 

1048
00:56:08,100 --> 00:56:10,000
Any living thing can carry 
parasites basically. 

1049
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:15,000
But yeah, they're not like fleas
or ticks or mosquitoes or any 

1050
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,900
number of insects that can bite 
people or other animals and 

1051
00:56:17,908 --> 00:56:21,400
spread diseases. 
So, that is why it might be 

1052
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:25,000
magical. 
Maybe a lot of times parasites 

1053
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:29,700
are pretty, especially evolved 
Like A Parasite for one thing 

1054
00:56:29,700 --> 00:56:33,200
isn't necessarily going to be 
able to Be parasitical to 

1055
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:37,300
another thing I haven't studied 
butterfly parasites. 

1056
00:56:37,300 --> 00:56:40,100
Exactly. 
But uh, another thing about her 

1057
00:56:40,100 --> 00:56:42,800
butterflies is they can be 
poisonous like in real life. 

1058
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,100
There are there are several 
poisonous species or whatever 

1059
00:56:46,300 --> 00:56:50,400
but there's a difference between
like you know if you eat it and 

1060
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,800
you get sick to your stomach, 
then if you're on an island, 

1061
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:57,000
where they exist, your skin 
falls off, you know, is their 

1062
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:02,500
range of what poisonous means 
but but Apparently they it's 

1063
00:57:02,500 --> 00:57:06,900
some butterflies can eat, I 
guess they eat maybe others but 

1064
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:11,500
milkweed, which is poisonous, 
but the butterfly itself has is 

1065
00:57:11,500 --> 00:57:14,900
able to, like, I don't know, 
compartmentalize the toxin, so 

1066
00:57:14,900 --> 00:57:17,600
it doesn't poison itself, but if
something else eats a butterfly,

1067
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,900
then they get the poison. 
And there are colorful patterns,

1068
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,300
often in nature, colorful 
patterns like a warning and 

1069
00:57:23,300 --> 00:57:26,400
poison. 
So the Predator is no, are not 

1070
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,300
going to eat that butterfly 
because it's poisonous. 

1071
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,400
So, but again, it's it doesn't, 
it seems That's easy to avoid. 

1072
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,000
This doesn't seem like the 
people especially if it's kind 

1073
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,200
of known as the butterfly 
disease. 

1074
00:57:37,300 --> 00:57:40,700
I can't imagine people land on 
math and eat the butterflies for

1075
00:57:40,700 --> 00:57:43,700
three days and then get sick and
don't understand what happened, 

1076
00:57:43,700 --> 00:57:45,600
you know. 
So I'm not sure why they'd be 

1077
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:52,600
eating the butterflies at all 
because especially if you're 

1078
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:54,900
from somewhere else like this, 
there's probably plenty of 

1079
00:57:54,900 --> 00:57:56,900
animals roaming around because, 
you know, the Nathan aren't 

1080
00:57:56,900 --> 00:57:59,400
eating them. 
Let's go fishing. 

1081
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,100
The fish are like the fish fry 
swim right up to you. 

1082
00:58:01,100 --> 00:58:04,200
They don't no better Hibernian 
fruit anyway. 

1083
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:05,600
Yeah, why bother killing me 
animals. 

1084
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:06,800
You got this fruit hanging 
there? 

1085
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,600
Yeah, I am once again, we 
reminded of George r.r. 

1086
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,900
Martin story and seven times 
never kill man. 

1087
00:58:12,900 --> 00:58:17,100
We've referred to it many times 
because it just keeps being a 

1088
00:58:17,100 --> 00:58:19,900
good reference point. 
The Jane, she are the peaceful 

1089
00:58:19,900 --> 00:58:24,500
race in that setting their 
absolute pacifist as well even 

1090
00:58:24,500 --> 00:58:27,300
when they're like religious 
altars are being destroyed. 

1091
00:58:27,300 --> 00:58:31,500
Their gods are being destroyed 
but there Their long-term innate

1092
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:36,900
sort of mysterious defense ends 
up working out and converting 

1093
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,800
the attackers to something else,
and kind of neutralizing them in

1094
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:42,700
the very long term. 
In the meantime, a lot of people

1095
00:58:42,700 --> 00:58:47,100
get slaughtered, but in the long
term, the bad guys are defeated 

1096
00:58:47,100 --> 00:58:49,300
basically like here, Nothing 
Stops. 

1097
00:58:49,300 --> 00:58:51,900
The bad guys from coming back 
and Nothing Stops this, the 

1098
00:58:51,900 --> 00:58:55,000
immediate, slaughter, their 
people, but in the long term, 

1099
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,700
there is that Karma, you know, I
think it's then that children of

1100
00:58:58,707 --> 00:59:00,500
the forest episode Talk about 
that. 

1101
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:03,900
There's also one more real-world
thing. 

1102
00:59:03,900 --> 00:59:07,300
I want to throw out here before 
we go to our mid-roll, which is 

1103
00:59:07,300 --> 00:59:12,400
the dancing plague of 1518 of 
mysterious occurrence. 

1104
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:16,800
That is pretty well, documented 
by sources, in the city of 

1105
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:20,000
Strasbourg. 
Lady true FEA, a woman named 

1106
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,400
late, August would have been 
Frau true FEA cause this is 

1107
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,000
Germany. 
She just started dancing one day

1108
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,300
in the square and danced for 
like a week. 

1109
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,700
And other people started joining
in up to from somewhere from 

1110
00:59:30,700 --> 00:59:36,300
between. 50 and 400 people 
danced with her for weeks. 

1111
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:41,600
Some, there's some claims that 
people died, many people died, 

1112
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,700
but those were mostly the later 
sources that may have been in 

1113
00:59:43,700 --> 00:59:46,000
later embellishment. 
But there's no good explanation 

1114
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,800
for this. 
There is a abundant evidence 

1115
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,500
that this happened to some 
degree and be no good 

1116
00:59:51,500 --> 00:59:54,300
explanation for why it's like 
Mass hysteria. 

1117
00:59:54,300 --> 00:59:58,700
Some strange unknown documented 
disease. 

1118
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:01,800
Mushrooms got in the water 
mushrooms. 

1119
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,800
Got you know what though? 
Very suspiciously. 

1120
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:09,300
I read a lot of possible 
explanations for This nobody 

1121
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:19,200
suspects the butterfly not one 
like hello, gosh, hmm. 

1122
01:00:20,500 --> 01:00:23,100
Those strassburger hers, not 
thinking correctly. 

1123
01:00:23,500 --> 01:00:26,100
I'm never more grateful for our 
patreon community. 

1124
01:00:26,100 --> 01:00:29,200
Then we do episodes like this, 
the ones that are extremely 

1125
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:33,600
obscure, we really couldn't. 
If we were trying solely to 

1126
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:37,000
court advertisers, we really 
would not be doing episodes like

1127
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:41,000
If this at all to obscure we 
can't go showing the download 

1128
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,300
numbers on this episode to 
someone be like look at the 

1129
01:00:43,300 --> 01:00:46,000
numbers on this one. 
Yeah it's it's not going to be 

1130
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:50,700
as high as you know like a main 
down the middle topic like 

1131
01:00:50,700 --> 01:00:53,900
something about the main series 
or a TV show House of the dragon

1132
01:00:53,900 --> 01:00:55,900
or Game of Thrones. 
So yeah. 

1133
01:00:56,100 --> 01:00:58,900
So I'm thankful to those of you 
who support us and all the 

1134
01:00:58,900 --> 01:01:00,200
different ways you can support 
us. 

1135
01:01:00,700 --> 01:01:03,300
Whenever we do an episode like 
this that comes to mind for me. 

1136
01:01:03,700 --> 01:01:06,900
Let's talk some history such 
that it is because we don't have

1137
01:01:06,900 --> 01:01:09,600
a Lot of history on it as we 
said they don't have their own 

1138
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:14,700
stories and lore how even they 
keep history is a mystery to us 

1139
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:18,900
if they do it all but we have 
outside stories and anecdotes 

1140
01:01:18,900 --> 01:01:21,300
here and there here's Danny 
thinking of what she's learned 

1141
01:01:21,300 --> 01:01:25,400
from missandei. 
One day she hoped to see this 

1142
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:26,800
fabled. 
I love math. 

1143
01:01:27,500 --> 01:01:30,900
Missandei said the peaceful 
people made music instead of 

1144
01:01:30,900 --> 01:01:34,300
War, they did not kill. 
Not even animals. 

1145
01:01:34,500 --> 01:01:39,200
They ate only fruit and never 
Flash the butterfly Spirits 

1146
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:42,100
sacred to their lord of Harmony 
Protected. 

1147
01:01:42,100 --> 01:01:45,500
Their, I'll against those who 
would do them harm, many 

1148
01:01:45,500 --> 01:01:49,500
conquerors had, sailed on, not 
to blood their swords only to 

1149
01:01:49,500 --> 01:01:52,500
sicken and die, the butterflies,
do not help. 

1150
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,700
Help them when the slave ships. 
Come rating though. 

1151
01:01:55,900 --> 01:01:58,500
Yeah. 
And that's an important 

1152
01:01:58,500 --> 01:02:00,700
consideration and important 
reality is something that Danny 

1153
01:02:00,700 --> 01:02:03,300
can't help, but notice, 
especially given her position. 

1154
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:06,900
Remember, we're talking this is 
the same part of the book. 

1155
01:02:06,900 --> 01:02:12,200
When she's Atop The Pyramid, 
feeling lonely, and Godlike and 

1156
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:14,400
trying to balance all that and 
still be a human. 

1157
01:02:15,100 --> 01:02:19,800
And while bonding with missandei
over these unusual traumatic 

1158
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:24,700
traumatic things from their 
past, So she can't help but 

1159
01:02:24,700 --> 01:02:28,700
notice that, yes, even though 
the butterfly God has his 

1160
01:02:28,700 --> 01:02:31,400
revenge, so to speak on the 
people that come to raid, the 

1161
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:34,200
aisle, doesn't actually stop 
them from doing it and they keep

1162
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:39,700
coming back. 
So, it is kind of a Romanticized

1163
01:02:39,700 --> 01:02:42,100
ideal. 
She's daydreaming, as we said in

1164
01:02:42,100 --> 01:02:45,900
the first half, sort of hoping, 
but I think a part of her 

1165
01:02:45,908 --> 01:02:49,800
realizes that this isn't really 
in her future that it's not very

1166
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:54,800
likely to happen. 
And as things get realer, and 

1167
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:58,100
realer for her throughout the 
story, as she gets to Westeros 

1168
01:02:58,100 --> 01:03:01,500
and is confronted with the 
enemies that are just names to 

1169
01:03:01,500 --> 01:03:03,400
her. 
Let alone, the ones that she 

1170
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,900
isn't fully aware of like, but 
others and the army of the Dead 

1171
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:12,000
The dream of a place, like nathe
or the red door will be even 

1172
01:03:12,100 --> 01:03:15,700
less realistic and it's already 
pretty unrealistic given all her

1173
01:03:16,100 --> 01:03:20,600
responsibilities and the swirl 
of everything she's caught up 

1174
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:22,700
in. 
So, no, even if it was 

1175
01:03:22,700 --> 01:03:25,800
realistic, it's probably not 
what she thinks you know. 

1176
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:31,300
Like I think this a lot of times
the good old days are the old 

1177
01:03:31,300 --> 01:03:33,200
days are always the good old 
days, you know? 

1178
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:38,400
Yeah, yeah. 
And even what missandei know 

1179
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,100
that we said might be a little 
romanticize because she her only

1180
01:03:41,100 --> 01:03:44,600
perspective of it is as a 
five-year-old and or 

1181
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:46,700
four-year-old. 
However old she was and for 

1182
01:03:46,700 --> 01:03:48,500
maybe what little she's talked 
to her brothers who were a 

1183
01:03:48,500 --> 01:03:51,700
little older than her but 
they've been through unsullied 

1184
01:03:51,700 --> 01:03:53,600
training. 
I mean they've been horribly 

1185
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,100
traumatized and changed. 
They might still have memories 

1186
01:03:56,100 --> 01:04:00,300
of it but they would have been 
What's the condition to forget 

1187
01:04:00,300 --> 01:04:03,800
their past as much as possible 
as part of that brutal 

1188
01:04:04,100 --> 01:04:09,300
conditioning? 
So when I brought this up 

1189
01:04:09,300 --> 01:04:11,200
before, what about Yeon? 
Do they ever trade with the 

1190
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:12,600
union and the super ancient 
past? 

1191
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:17,500
Or what about could go so's? 
See, it's a bit of an irony that

1192
01:04:19,500 --> 01:04:22,800
knife is in worse shape, after 
the Doom, even though the 

1193
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:27,300
valyrians were such big slavers 
and the Nabi make quote-unquote,

1194
01:04:27,300 --> 01:04:31,000
the best slaves. 
Well, it seems that the 

1195
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:34,500
valyrians maybe didn't see it 
quite that way, because they 

1196
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:38,100
might have value. 
Did the products the produce of 

1197
01:04:38,100 --> 01:04:41,700
math more than just enslaving 
yet another race? 

1198
01:04:41,900 --> 01:04:44,700
Because well, we mentioned the 
silk, right? 

1199
01:04:44,700 --> 01:04:49,400
That's something that the elite 
valyrians would value more than 

1200
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:53,200
not more than any slave but they
have so many slaves from all 

1201
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:55,200
over the world. 
I mean, they're just ass in 

1202
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:58,300
massive slaving Empire, this 
tiny Island. 

1203
01:04:58,300 --> 01:05:02,300
Can't be that big a source of 
Manpower, but if it's the best 

1204
01:05:02,300 --> 01:05:05,700
silk in the world, yeah, the 
elite would value that more, 

1205
01:05:05,900 --> 01:05:08,500
right? 
It's rarer, it's more, it's more

1206
01:05:08,500 --> 01:05:13,300
Prestige of a good than just one
other type of slave. 

1207
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:18,200
Same thing goes for some of 
those hand crafts and rare wines

1208
01:05:18,700 --> 01:05:24,200
that ironically velarium. 
May have valued those goods more

1209
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,900
than what we're seeing. 
Now in the post Doom era where 

1210
01:05:27,900 --> 01:05:32,200
it says back to just more brutal
straightforward slavery that we 

1211
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:37,900
get from well, the slaver cities
of Old geese that are in their 

1212
01:05:37,900 --> 01:05:40,600
rebound phase over the last. 
Several hundred years in the 

1213
01:05:40,607 --> 01:05:42,500
post. 
Do mayor, of course, marine and 

1214
01:05:42,500 --> 01:05:45,900
yunkai and astapor mostly 
referring to but also places 

1215
01:05:45,900 --> 01:05:53,800
like volantis. 
So, The basilisks may have been 

1216
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:59,500
more tightly controlled when 
gaseous was the big Power in 

1217
01:05:59,500 --> 01:06:04,100
that region. 
An actual Valyrian City, ruled 

1218
01:06:04,100 --> 01:06:09,000
by probably archons under 
directly ruled by dragonlords. 

1219
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:11,600
Well, yeah, there would have 
been less piracy in that era and

1220
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,300
certainly would have been some. 
But now we're in an era where 

1221
01:06:14,300 --> 01:06:16,400
just a bunch of topic. 
Free-for-all, it's a big wild 

1222
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:20,500
west and our key situation which
is not good for the peaceful. 

1223
01:06:20,500 --> 01:06:25,500
I love Nate. 
So we do have some of this POV 

1224
01:06:25,500 --> 01:06:29,300
from other cultures who 
attempted to go, there are a 

1225
01:06:29,300 --> 01:06:32,700
variety of things were tried. 
None of which really addressed 

1226
01:06:32,700 --> 01:06:35,100
the root cause of why you 
shouldn't go there in the first 

1227
01:06:35,100 --> 01:06:40,000
place, quote. 
The ghiscari seized the island 

1228
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,400
Thrice in the days of the old 
Empire. 

1229
01:06:42,700 --> 01:06:45,300
The valyrians erected a fort 
there. 

1230
01:06:45,300 --> 01:06:50,200
Whose walls a fuse Dragonstone 
can still be seen a company of 

1231
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:54,000
volunteen adventurers once built
to trade Town, Complete with 

1232
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,500
Timber, Palisades and slave 
pens. 

1233
01:06:56,900 --> 01:07:00,300
Corsairs from the Basilisk 
Isles, have landed on naath 

1234
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:05,100
countless times yet. 
None of these Invaders survived,

1235
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:07,300
and the nathi, claimed that 
none. 

1236
01:07:07,300 --> 01:07:11,800
Last Lasted more than a year for
some evil humor lurks in the 

1237
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:16,300
very air of this Fair Isle. 
And all those who linger too 

1238
01:07:16,300 --> 01:07:20,600
long enough soon, succumb 
Fortress of the fuse 

1239
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:22,700
Dragonstone. 
There's not many of these in the

1240
01:07:22,707 --> 01:07:25,700
world that we know of, so it's 
peculiar that they built one 

1241
01:07:25,700 --> 01:07:27,200
here thinking, nothing lives 
there. 

1242
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:31,500
I wonder, I'm guessing, no, 
because it was probably built on

1243
01:07:31,500 --> 01:07:34,600
the coast and we know that they 
have since shunned. 

1244
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:37,200
The coast supposed Doom, be cut 
to avoid the slaver. 

1245
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:41,600
So, I would think maybe they 
lived there before this became a

1246
01:07:41,607 --> 01:07:44,200
problem because the valyrians 
would have abandoned it long 

1247
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:49,200
before the Doom. 
And maybe they would, or should 

1248
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:53,100
live there because it's 
defensible, but they don't want 

1249
01:07:53,100 --> 01:07:55,300
to defend, they don't even want 
to defend themselves against. 

1250
01:07:55,300 --> 01:07:58,000
So they just leave and go where 
it's harder to be found. 

1251
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:00,900
Yeah, I could see them 
completely shutting the place 

1252
01:08:00,900 --> 01:08:05,300
because it's got beasts like 
Dragon Stone carved into it or 

1253
01:08:05,300 --> 01:08:07,600
just because of they don't like 
it. 

1254
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:10,300
They're just like yuck that 
place along to them and who 

1255
01:08:10,300 --> 01:08:14,100
knows what weird sorceries they 
use, just they're against it, 

1256
01:08:14,300 --> 01:08:16,399
what it represents, and they 
don't Need it, so they're not 

1257
01:08:16,399 --> 01:08:18,600
going to use it. 
This is these aren't people that

1258
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:23,300
seem like They're looking to get
ahead, you know, they're looking

1259
01:08:23,300 --> 01:08:28,100
to exist and be at peace or 
maybe it's a hint that they're 

1260
01:08:28,100 --> 01:08:32,399
not as absolutely pacifistic. 
As we thought, maybe they did do

1261
01:08:32,399 --> 01:08:34,800
defend themselves. 
Maybe there's a 10% of them are 

1262
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:39,100
like We're going to take up 
arms. 

1263
01:08:39,700 --> 01:08:42,100
What are the other 90% gonna do 
about that besides social 

1264
01:08:42,100 --> 01:08:43,899
consequences? 
I mean there there, which could 

1265
01:08:43,899 --> 01:08:47,000
be severe, you know, there's a 
lot of like you said, India, 

1266
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:50,899
long-term the shunning, and the 
worldview help mattered. 

1267
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,600
Maybe that 10% just couldn't 
stand up to the weight of the 

1268
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:57,500
shame from their ancestors and 
their, their elders. 

1269
01:08:57,899 --> 01:09:01,100
But, you know, maybe it lasted 
for several years, who knows? 

1270
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:06,600
Also, like, what difference does
the social shame matter if 

1271
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:08,300
you're dead or they're dead 
anyway? 

1272
01:09:08,300 --> 01:09:11,800
You like I can see some 
contingency of them deciding. 

1273
01:09:12,300 --> 01:09:14,700
This is the best way or we have 
no choice or whatever. 

1274
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:20,500
But it still seems like It still
seems weird that such I don't 

1275
01:09:20,500 --> 01:09:23,500
know, large, elaborate, whatever
structures could have been 

1276
01:09:23,500 --> 01:09:26,500
built, that they would have had 
to like building quickly to not 

1277
01:09:26,500 --> 01:09:29,500
die from doing it, which means 
they had kind of had to have had

1278
01:09:29,500 --> 01:09:31,600
a plan for it in the first 
place. 

1279
01:09:32,700 --> 01:09:35,600
I wonder if maybe it wasn't so 
much that they wanted to build 

1280
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:38,399
this to defend against the Nazi.
That might have tried to fight 

1281
01:09:38,399 --> 01:09:41,700
back despite their gentle 
nature, maybe to fight off. 

1282
01:09:41,700 --> 01:09:44,200
Other invading forces may be. 
Like, we're going to get a 

1283
01:09:44,207 --> 01:09:47,800
foothold on this island and get 
control their silkworms and We 

1284
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:50,899
don't want these other Pirates. 
Taking it from us, but they 

1285
01:09:50,899 --> 01:09:54,300
maybe they even naively thought 
they'd be safe inside a dragon 

1286
01:09:54,300 --> 01:09:58,200
Stone structure. 
It seems it is a lot about this 

1287
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:00,500
seems unusual to me. 
I definitely agree with you 

1288
01:10:00,500 --> 01:10:01,700
Sean. 
I let some of these same 

1289
01:10:01,700 --> 01:10:04,400
thoughts that you're expressing 
her similar to some of the ones 

1290
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:07,800
I've had, like, if we again, use
example of gases, that was what 

1291
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:11,300
I was originally Gore guy, which
was built by the ghiscari and 

1292
01:10:11,300 --> 01:10:13,300
the valyrians took it. 
So you can see ya. 

1293
01:10:13,300 --> 01:10:15,900
And this isn't far from the 
Basilisk Isles, the theater of 

1294
01:10:15,900 --> 01:10:19,500
war in one of the many, if not, 
Not multiple of the Valerian 

1295
01:10:19,500 --> 01:10:24,600
ghiscari Wars included Seth 
Oreos, which is because they 

1296
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:27,700
were both getting resources from
their to use in their greater 

1297
01:10:27,700 --> 01:10:33,400
overall War efforts. 
So now it's hard to see nathe as

1298
01:10:34,500 --> 01:10:40,100
a valued source of wartime 
Goods, but wealth. 

1299
01:10:40,300 --> 01:10:41,700
Okay. 
Yeah, there is there definitely 

1300
01:10:41,700 --> 01:10:45,000
generating different gender in 
money from it so there is that. 

1301
01:10:45,300 --> 01:10:50,200
So maybe you can work in tile 
type conflict rather than a 

1302
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:55,300
military one but I could see 
maybe someone maybe had some 

1303
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:59,400
strategic positioning but from a
trade standpoint or military 

1304
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:02,200
standpoint and may be combined 
with that. 

1305
01:11:02,300 --> 01:11:07,400
Some naivete or foolishness. 
Like they literally just didn't 

1306
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:10,200
know the rumors that, you know, 
you can imagine maybe some some 

1307
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:12,600
foreign pirate that came to this
area. 

1308
01:11:12,900 --> 01:11:17,400
So the potential, you know, 
found some fortune and said, 

1309
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:19,200
hey, why is no one building 
anything this island? 

1310
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:23,500
Let's go do it, but it still 
seems like to have done it to 

1311
01:11:23,500 --> 01:11:26,500
the extent that they did and 
they would have had to do it 

1312
01:11:26,500 --> 01:11:29,200
quickly. 
It seems like that's sort of 

1313
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:31,200
planning wouldn't have come from
someone. 

1314
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:33,600
It was completely naive. 
Yeah, that makes sense. 

1315
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:35,700
It's still doesn't totally add 
up to me. 

1316
01:11:35,700 --> 01:11:37,700
So okay, so a couple more 
theories I have here and a 

1317
01:11:37,708 --> 01:11:41,100
couple more considerations which
color the theories somewhat. 

1318
01:11:41,100 --> 01:11:48,500
Okay so we have the valyrians. 
The dragonlords have probably a 

1319
01:11:48,500 --> 01:11:52,400
greater resistance to disease 
not this one apparently or maybe

1320
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:54,300
they do and we just don't know. 
It's not exactly. 

1321
01:11:55,100 --> 01:11:57,500
The individual cases aren't 
exactly well-documented. 

1322
01:11:57,500 --> 01:12:00,300
We don't have a lot of, we don't
have any like, maybe, maybe they

1323
01:12:00,300 --> 01:12:04,600
could survive for Enter 15 days 
instead of two or three days and

1324
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:06,500
that might be enough to build a 
structure here. 

1325
01:12:06,500 --> 01:12:09,000
Well, we're told it takes up to 
a year for people to start dying

1326
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:10,200
from it. 
So maybe that's that might be 

1327
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:13,500
part of the buffer. 
There might be part of what 

1328
01:12:13,500 --> 01:12:15,800
causes people's disbelief and 
like, yeah, see, I'm been here 

1329
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:20,300
for weeks and I've been fine, 
you know, and, and you're right,

1330
01:12:20,300 --> 01:12:22,100
they might have tried other 
methods like, well, we just kill

1331
01:12:22,100 --> 01:12:24,400
all the butterflies to come near
us, just, you know, we use 

1332
01:12:24,500 --> 01:12:27,400
sorcery or Flames or something 
to keep all the butterflies 

1333
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:28,100
away. 
We're fine. 

1334
01:12:28,300 --> 01:12:31,100
And they use locals to do a lot 
of the labor. 

1335
01:12:31,100 --> 01:12:37,500
So the labor force is building 
the walls, maybe is You know, 

1336
01:12:37,500 --> 01:12:39,300
not doesn't put them as much 
risk. 

1337
01:12:39,300 --> 01:12:42,500
They don't have to import other 
laborers who would just die as 

1338
01:12:42,500 --> 01:12:44,500
well. 
Or if they do, they don't care 

1339
01:12:44,500 --> 01:12:46,300
because they don't care what 
happens to their slaves because 

1340
01:12:46,300 --> 01:12:50,500
they're huge jerks or the wall 
building is faster than we think

1341
01:12:50,500 --> 01:12:52,700
because it's this fuse 
Dragonstone thing which implies 

1342
01:12:52,700 --> 01:12:55,700
a magical process or some sort 
of technological process that we

1343
01:12:55,708 --> 01:12:57,600
don't fully understand Proto 
magical. 

1344
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:01,100
So that might be quicker than we
think my laws might be a really 

1345
01:13:01,100 --> 01:13:03,400
small Fort might not be 
happening. 

1346
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:06,000
It might be like a, a 50-person 
Enclave. 

1347
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:09,100
Or something. 
But it may they may have planned

1348
01:13:09,100 --> 01:13:12,500
it being larger and just 
everybody died. 

1349
01:13:12,500 --> 01:13:16,200
So, they stopped. 
It says Ford it might Amin 

1350
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:19,800
incomplete for it partially. 
Yeah Port, yeah. 

1351
01:13:21,300 --> 01:13:23,400
It could also, I suppose, it 
could be other things, too, 

1352
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:28,800
like, maybe a Twain's may be 
different seasons especially 

1353
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:30,800
since seasons can last for 
years. 

1354
01:13:31,500 --> 01:13:36,300
Maybe, maybe in the winter or 
the summer, the death doesn't 

1355
01:13:36,500 --> 01:13:38,300
happen, it doesn't happen as 
quickly. 

1356
01:13:39,300 --> 01:13:41,800
Well, we are at we seem to be in
a tropical regions there. 

1357
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:43,400
May not be as much of a 
distinction between winter and 

1358
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:45,700
summer, but still there. 
You're right and I think you're 

1359
01:13:45,700 --> 01:13:48,400
on the right track for their 
kids to be magical Seasons, like

1360
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:50,300
the comic coming or something 
like that. 

1361
01:13:50,300 --> 01:13:52,500
That in this sir. 
Time period, they got away with 

1362
01:13:52,500 --> 01:13:56,400
it and you know, but I almost 
understand why they kept trying 

1363
01:13:57,100 --> 01:13:59,800
for one things. 
Like if the valyrians learned 

1364
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:02,300
about the butterfly sickness, 
they're not going to go tell the

1365
01:14:02,300 --> 01:14:04,700
ghiscari and vice versa. 
They don't have, you know, 

1366
01:14:04,700 --> 01:14:08,100
they're these are enemies and it
does. 

1367
01:14:08,100 --> 01:14:09,200
It does sound kind of 
ridiculous? 

1368
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:11,400
Doesn't it? 
Put a butterfly Again, The 

1369
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:12,600
Simpsons reference? 
The butterfly. 

1370
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:14,500
No One Believes. 
It's the butterflies. 

1371
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:18,500
Come on the butterfly. 
It's like the Holy Grail like 

1372
01:14:18,500 --> 01:14:20,900
you don't go in that cares of 
monster too. 

1373
01:14:21,100 --> 01:14:25,500
Huge fan of butterflies are gay,
like, we're not worried about 

1374
01:14:25,500 --> 01:14:28,000
the butterflies. 
I mean, if you have been worried

1375
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:30,400
about the butterflies, because, 
yeah, if you're some bold 

1376
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:33,400
Adventurer, and if you heard of 
a place where everyone was 

1377
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:36,800
completely nonviolent, had 
golden eyes and a butterfly God 

1378
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:39,400
protected them, you wouldn't 
believe like any of that. 

1379
01:14:39,700 --> 01:14:44,300
He would think all of it was 
exaggerated or at least not 

1380
01:14:44,300 --> 01:14:46,700
entirely true, you know, being 
delegated or whatever. 

1381
01:14:46,700 --> 01:14:48,700
Yeah. 
So and again. 

1382
01:14:48,700 --> 01:14:51,600
Yeah, but they'd be wrong. 
There's under Estimating the 

1383
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:55,800
butterfly. but again, so this is
like you said, this is peculiar 

1384
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:59,500
a the fact that they tried the 
fact that they Went through so 

1385
01:14:59,500 --> 01:15:03,700
much again that I could not have
done all that, just for some few

1386
01:15:03,700 --> 01:15:05,400
extra slaves, it just doesn't 
stack. 

1387
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:08,700
Even though even again, they're 
the best slaves, they have to 

1388
01:15:08,700 --> 01:15:10,900
be. 
So amazingly better than all the

1389
01:15:10,900 --> 01:15:13,400
other people, so justify it and 
less. 

1390
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:15,900
So I again, I suspect it's the 
trade goods. 

1391
01:15:15,900 --> 01:15:18,700
The some, the Great Value that 
they were finding here in 

1392
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:23,500
mercantilism is more the thing 
that matters to them or in a non

1393
01:15:23,500 --> 01:15:27,400
human capital. 
Yeah kind of following up on 

1394
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:31,100
what you were saying earlier 
from a you know, very cold, very

1395
01:15:31,100 --> 01:15:34,300
evil standpoint. 
If they're you know if you just 

1396
01:15:34,300 --> 01:15:38,600
don't care about the value of 
life or culture and there is a 

1397
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:43,600
tribe in the jungle and they're 
just sustaining themselves right

1398
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:46,100
there, they're generating food, 
they're singing songs to each 

1399
01:15:46,100 --> 01:15:47,600
other. 
You know, they may be a happy 

1400
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:50,900
people and happy culture but 
they're not generating some tray

1401
01:15:50,900 --> 01:15:52,400
good. 
You can take and go sell 

1402
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:56,100
somewhere, take them all slaves.
But if you find some coal, Chur,

1403
01:15:56,100 --> 01:16:00,200
that's generating wine and silk 
if you take them all as slaves. 

1404
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:02,800
Well, that's it. 
But if you come back every year 

1405
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:05,700
and get their wine and silks, 
that's more valuable than just 

1406
01:16:05,700 --> 01:16:08,300
take them all slaves once so 
that you can see how it may. 

1407
01:16:08,300 --> 01:16:10,800
Be the Pirates might have 
treated the island differently 

1408
01:16:11,100 --> 01:16:13,100
aside from the butterfly death, 
you know. 

1409
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:14,300
Right. 
Exactly. 

1410
01:16:14,300 --> 01:16:17,800
Like what Danny is taught about 
the Dothraki. 

1411
01:16:18,100 --> 01:16:19,900
She's like why don't the three a
Kia stack. 

1412
01:16:19,900 --> 01:16:21,900
The slave cities was like, well 
because then, who would they 

1413
01:16:21,900 --> 01:16:23,700
sell their slaves? 
To they need the markets. 

1414
01:16:23,700 --> 01:16:25,500
They don't want to destroy the 
marketplaces, you know? 

1415
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:28,400
They'll destroy pretty much 
anything else but they need a 

1416
01:16:28,407 --> 01:16:32,600
place to sell their it's like 
even criminals won't rob their 

1417
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:34,500
one fence. 
Right. 

1418
01:16:34,500 --> 01:16:36,800
Because that's who they sell all
their stolen goods to like 

1419
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:38,500
they're screwed without that 
outlet. 

1420
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:43,200
So yeah, even evil War mongering
people still value a certain 

1421
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:46,400
level of stability and 
consistency or whatever. 

1422
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:47,300
Right. 
Right. 

1423
01:16:47,300 --> 01:16:52,100
Yeah, it wasn't. 
It wasn't other, like it wasn't 

1424
01:16:52,100 --> 01:16:54,700
drug dealers who brought down 
the Silk Road online, silk 

1425
01:16:54,700 --> 01:16:55,800
route. 
Yeah. 

1426
01:16:55,900 --> 01:17:02,200
Yeah, whatever. 
Okay, let's move on a little 

1427
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:04,700
bit. 
Here's another people that came 

1428
01:17:04,700 --> 01:17:08,100
on the aisle for once. 
They came in peace quote. 

1429
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:13,000
For the next three years, the 
rhoynar wandered, the southern 

1430
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:17,800
Seas seeking a new home, on na 
the Isle of butterflies, the 

1431
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:19,800
peaceful people gave them 
welcome. 

1432
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:24,100
But the god that protects that 
Strange Land began to strike 

1433
01:17:24,100 --> 01:17:28,800
down the newcomers by the score 
with a nameless mortal illness. 

1434
01:17:28,900 --> 01:17:31,400
Driving them back to their 
ships. 

1435
01:17:32,100 --> 01:17:34,400
So I gotta wonder how this 
played out. 

1436
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:37,700
Like, did they not warn them? 
I mean, I guess they couldn't 

1437
01:17:37,700 --> 01:17:41,000
maybe communicate with each 
other. be like pointing at the 

1438
01:17:41,100 --> 01:17:44,600
Matthew point of butterflies and
being like, And morning. 

1439
01:17:45,300 --> 01:17:47,800
Very beautiful. 
I was a beautiful. 

1440
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:51,200
Yeah. 
Butterfly necklace is okay. 

1441
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:52,400
Yeah we'll make butterfly 
necklace. 

1442
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:56,500
This necklace is gonna let them 
put them right here. 

1443
01:17:58,700 --> 01:18:01,700
So this was of course after the 
rhoynar nymeria letter, people 

1444
01:18:01,700 --> 01:18:05,100
away from Seth Oreos in the 
Basilisk Isles, the the entire 

1445
01:18:05,300 --> 01:18:08,200
group vanished from Eugene and 
all that other stuff. 

1446
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:10,900
So, Clearly, the Lord of 
Harmony. 

1447
01:18:10,900 --> 01:18:15,900
The butterfly sickness makes no 
distinction between friendly and

1448
01:18:15,900 --> 01:18:18,800
slaver. 
I mean, we're not, obviously, 

1449
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:23,400
maybe not every single rhoynar 
was friendly but it sounds like 

1450
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:27,600
nymeria was looking for a home. 
And didn't antagonize anyone 

1451
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:30,200
over much, but you know, who 
knows? 

1452
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:32,700
What's going to offend a culture
like this? 

1453
01:18:32,700 --> 01:18:35,800
So extremely pacifistic in 
different, the Renard been 

1454
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:39,200
through a lot. 
I mean I see them as good guys. 

1455
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:41,200
Compared to the valyrians but I 
don't know that you can just say

1456
01:18:41,208 --> 01:18:44,500
they're good guys. 
You know, they, they were, they 

1457
01:18:44,500 --> 01:18:47,500
had soldiers and Wars as well. 
Not that all soldiers are bad. 

1458
01:18:47,500 --> 01:18:50,200
Obviously, I'm just saying their
values would be a lot different 

1459
01:18:50,300 --> 01:18:54,400
than the nathi even coming in 
peace, right? 

1460
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:57,900
You know, you remind me of 
another thought I had earlier 

1461
01:18:57,900 --> 01:19:01,800
that I was resistant to even put
out there because I'm trying to 

1462
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:03,400
think of the not the as being 
positive. 

1463
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:07,000
I'm so excited about the idea of
their pacifism to the point of 

1464
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:10,400
not even eating meat but But 
that still doesn't necessarily 

1465
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:12,400
mean they're good. 
They're, you can do evil things 

1466
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:14,900
without being violent. 
You know, we were even if not 

1467
01:19:14,900 --> 01:19:17,700
straight up evil, you could 
still be mean or inappropriate, 

1468
01:19:17,700 --> 01:19:20,800
even if you're not violent. 
So might be a little much for us

1469
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,000
to assume the not the are all 
pure good. 

1470
01:19:23,100 --> 01:19:26,000
Yeah, So eventually the rhoynar 
you know it says they fled to 

1471
01:19:26,008 --> 01:19:28,900
their ships and moved on they 
next went to the Summer Isles 

1472
01:19:29,100 --> 01:19:32,200
where they had to leave because 
the place the Summer Isles 

1473
01:19:32,500 --> 01:19:34,600
Islanders allow them to settle 
wasn't fertile enough for them 

1474
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:37,700
to make a scratch out a living 
and that's what led him to 

1475
01:19:37,700 --> 01:19:39,200
Dorne, right. 
But you wonder what? 

1476
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:42,600
A the stories they would have 
told of math. 

1477
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:45,600
I wonder if this is where some 
of the knowledge of math came 

1478
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:48,500
from in Westeros because this 
these people eventually migrated

1479
01:19:48,500 --> 01:19:53,000
Dorn and that's Westeros right 
so the knowledge of nathe is 

1480
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:56,700
very limited in Westeros and 
some of it may have been seated 

1481
01:19:56,700 --> 01:19:59,200
by the rhoynar actually going 
there. 

1482
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:02,500
Some 600 years ago. 
We're not entirely clear on that

1483
01:20:02,500 --> 01:20:04,600
timeline but it's in the 
hundreds, not thousands. 

1484
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:08,400
So interesting possibility 
entering little in direct 

1485
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:11,100
connection to To Westeros would 
be the rhoynar passing through 

1486
01:20:11,100 --> 01:20:14,400
there because we certainly West 
Rossi knowledge about. 

1487
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:17,100
It isn't likely to have 
originated As Much from the 

1488
01:20:17,100 --> 01:20:18,800
ghiscari or the valyrians, 
right? 

1489
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:22,300
I mean, that's a lot of that's 
is too far or far gone in the 

1490
01:20:22,300 --> 01:20:27,800
case of it being blown up. 
Or just different languages, 

1491
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:30,500
right? 
Whereas the Rhine are eventually

1492
01:20:30,500 --> 01:20:34,600
were learning common and writing
stuff down and passing it on to 

1493
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:36,200
maesters. 
You see what I'm saying? 

1494
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:40,900
So given in their popularity 
among slavers, it's no surprise 

1495
01:20:40,900 --> 01:20:44,600
that amongst the many, many 
races that were there for the 

1496
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:48,700
founding of Bravo's, the 
not--they were included, so they

1497
01:20:48,700 --> 01:20:52,600
are in that group. 
We don't have anything special 

1498
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:54,900
to say about that. 
Just thought it was worth 

1499
01:20:54,900 --> 01:20:55,900
mentioning. 
It's kind of cool. 

1500
01:20:55,900 --> 01:20:59,800
Little world-building tidbit. 
Now, you can tell that they were

1501
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:01,900
involved in the founding of 
braavos. 

1502
01:21:03,100 --> 01:21:06,700
Why is that right? 
The devil. 

1503
01:21:06,700 --> 01:21:12,300
Hey, that was their contribution
is Bravo's with the 1A and the 

1504
01:21:12,300 --> 01:21:15,500
Naki representative like, wait 
wait wait wait, wait. 

1505
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:22,900
I don't feel represented here. 
This is, we agree with your 

1506
01:21:22,900 --> 01:21:26,700
position on. 
I'm being very anti slavery, but

1507
01:21:26,700 --> 01:21:34,200
slavery. 
However, if we have A small 

1508
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:40,300
change, like you got the not 
they just wanted a added. 

1509
01:21:40,300 --> 01:21:43,300
They're like what? 
Okay, give it to them, I guess. 

1510
01:21:45,500 --> 01:21:48,500
No, that's that's where the Fonz
would be from. 

1511
01:21:54,500 --> 01:21:59,500
Here's this sad to say, the 
coursera's who prowled the seas 

1512
01:21:59,500 --> 01:22:03,000
around off long ago, learned 
that the chances of dying Of 

1513
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:06,600
butterfly fever. 
We're low so long as they did 

1514
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:11,700
not remain upon the island for 
more than a few hours and lower 

1515
01:22:11,700 --> 01:22:14,300
still. 
If they only came ashore at 

1516
01:22:14,300 --> 01:22:18,300
night, for butterflies, are 
creatures of the day and love 

1517
01:22:18,300 --> 01:22:21,000
the Morning Dew and the 
afternoon sun. 

1518
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:25,800
Thus, it is that slavers from 
the Basilisk Isles of descend 

1519
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:29,300
upon NOS during the dark of 
night to carry off whole 

1520
01:22:29,300 --> 01:22:32,600
Villages into bondage. 
So it sounds like there. 

1521
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:35,200
Learning. 
Unfortunately, all this 400 

1522
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:38,800
years in the post Valerian era, 
these slavers from the Basilisk 

1523
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:43,200
Isles that are recurring thing. 
Have passed down this knowledge 

1524
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:46,500
and this is like evil slaver 
knowledge. 

1525
01:22:46,500 --> 01:22:48,900
The kind of stuff we see all 
over the slave cities where they

1526
01:22:48,900 --> 01:22:53,700
learn the weaknesses, and tricks
of the trade that are used to 

1527
01:22:53,700 --> 01:22:57,200
exploit Humanity in some of the 
worst ways we can imagine. 

1528
01:22:57,600 --> 01:23:02,700
And this is basically from that 
same overall, Playbook figuring 

1529
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:05,100
Going out. 
When the best time to do evil 

1530
01:23:05,100 --> 01:23:08,300
is, it's almost simple when you 
break it down this way, like 

1531
01:23:08,300 --> 01:23:10,400
yeah, just go at night and of 
course, in some ways attacking 

1532
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:12,700
at night, gives them even more 
advantages. 

1533
01:23:13,300 --> 01:23:18,100
But yeah, it makes sense that 
the nearby slavers would be the 

1534
01:23:18,100 --> 01:23:21,600
ones that figured that out, you 
know, the regional knowledge, 

1535
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:24,600
rather than the ones coming from
far away they would be less 

1536
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:28,700
likely to know that Here's 
another quote related to this. 

1537
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:32,600
The peaceful people always bring
good prices. 

1538
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:36,300
It is said for, they are as 
clever as they are, gentle, fair

1539
01:23:36,300 --> 01:23:39,900
to look upon and quick to learn 
obedience. 

1540
01:23:40,300 --> 01:23:44,100
It is reported that one pillow 
house on lease is famed for its 

1541
01:23:44,100 --> 01:23:48,300
naughty girls who are clad and 
diaphanous silk and gowns. 

1542
01:23:48,300 --> 01:23:53,100
And adorned with gaily painted 
butterfly wings, such raids have

1543
01:23:53,100 --> 01:23:56,300
become so frequent since the 
century of blood that the 

1544
01:23:56,300 --> 01:23:59,500
peaceful people have largely 
abandoned their own. 

1545
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:04,000
Doors moving Inland to the hills
and forests where it is harder 

1546
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:08,000
for the slavers to find them. 
Thus the fine handicrafts 

1547
01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:12,600
shimmering silks and delicate 
spiced wines of the Isle of 

1548
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:16,400
butterflies are seen less and 
less in the markets of the Seven

1549
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:18,800
Kingdoms and the nine free 
cities. 

1550
01:24:18,900 --> 01:24:21,900
So again, this points to the 
valyrians being more Savvy about

1551
01:24:21,900 --> 01:24:26,100
this clearly, they were not 
inflicting this level of slavery

1552
01:24:26,100 --> 01:24:28,600
and Devastation. 
I'm not giving them credit for 

1553
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:30,400
being good guys. 
Obviously, they're still a 

1554
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:34,700
country run on slavery and they 
were probably still taking some 

1555
01:24:34,700 --> 01:24:37,700
nathi. 
Slaves just not to this degree. 

1556
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:41,500
So degree of cynicism is 
warranted here. 

1557
01:24:41,500 --> 01:24:45,000
They just saw it as an 
opportunity like an accounting 

1558
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:46,700
problem. 
Like what's the maximum amount 

1559
01:24:46,700 --> 01:24:50,900
of harm we can inflict without 
damaging the industries? 

1560
01:24:50,900 --> 01:24:54,400
We value even more. 
So they want to get the most 

1561
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:57,700
amount of slaves and the most 
amount of wine and silk and all 

1562
01:24:57,700 --> 01:25:00,800
that other stuff they were 
Probably just more Savvy about 

1563
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:04,500
it, where these different pirate
enclaves, just more like Smash 

1564
01:25:04,500 --> 01:25:09,300
and grab operations. 
I mean, those shimmering silks 

1565
01:25:09,300 --> 01:25:11,500
that are described. 
I mean, these these might be, 

1566
01:25:11,500 --> 01:25:15,700
literally the finest in the 
world, it's entirely possible, 

1567
01:25:15,700 --> 01:25:18,700
which you could understand. 
Given the value of silk in the 

1568
01:25:18,708 --> 01:25:21,400
real world, I mean the Silk 
Road, I was joking before about 

1569
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:24,200
the Silk Road website but that 
of course was named after the 

1570
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:29,900
real Silk Road, a thing that ran
from China, all the way to 

1571
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:34,000
effectively to Europe through 
the Middle East and Arabia. 

1572
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:43,300
And they Jealously and fiercely 
protected the secret of making 

1573
01:25:43,300 --> 01:25:45,800
silk like you could not sneak a 
silk or Mountain, they would 

1574
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:50,200
search you like every inch of 
your body if you were leaving 

1575
01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:52,600
and they're like suspected you 
of having a silkworm like one 

1576
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:55,600
guy's mobile them out of a, in a
cane or something like that. 

1577
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:57,700
Finally. 
And yeah. 

1578
01:25:57,700 --> 01:26:03,100
Like this is it's so valuable. 
So I mean it's the clothing of 

1579
01:26:03,100 --> 01:26:05,200
the elite. 
Right. 

1580
01:26:06,100 --> 01:26:08,400
The thing that rich people are 
willing to pay the The most for 

1581
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:11,900
the top of the Heap for clothing
in the entire world. 

1582
01:26:11,900 --> 01:26:14,900
And it's probably true for this 
world as well. 

1583
01:26:15,100 --> 01:26:21,300
So you, if you're imagining, how
much it costs aim higher because

1584
01:26:21,300 --> 01:26:22,900
we're not like talking to find a
substance. 

1585
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:26,300
We're talking with the finest 
version of the finest substance.

1586
01:26:26,300 --> 01:26:28,900
It's like not just silk, but the
best silk. 

1587
01:26:29,500 --> 01:26:31,400
Yeah, you know how they love to 
show off. 

1588
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:33,400
They get to because not, it's 
not just having it. 

1589
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:35,300
It's being able to show it off 
to everybody else thing. 

1590
01:26:35,300 --> 01:26:39,700
Like I've got naughty, silk you 
So much of it like oh he's got 

1591
01:26:39,700 --> 01:26:41,100
another rich. 
People would know what that 

1592
01:26:41,100 --> 01:26:43,700
means, you know, like oh not 
these silk, they know exactly 

1593
01:26:43,700 --> 01:26:45,700
how expensive that is. 
Yeah. 

1594
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:48,400
So it wouldn't be as fancy to 
other people. 

1595
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:50,100
I don't know. 
They're not in the market for 

1596
01:26:50,100 --> 01:26:52,200
silk. 
There's like rich people talking

1597
01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:53,700
about their best, their favorite
watches. 

1598
01:26:53,700 --> 01:26:56,200
Like I don't know, what the hell
you're talking about, I don't 

1599
01:26:56,200 --> 01:26:57,500
know which ones are fancier than
others. 

1600
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:02,100
Something to be said for both 
the scarcity in addition to help

1601
01:27:02,100 --> 01:27:05,900
find it is but the scarcity but 
you know adds to the value. 

1602
01:27:05,900 --> 01:27:09,700
Yeah. 
And the how to say it the the 

1603
01:27:09,700 --> 01:27:12,500
risk involved, right? 
That the fact that lives are 

1604
01:27:12,500 --> 01:27:17,000
lost or potentially lost to get 
this one, makes it actually more

1605
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:19,200
rare but also makes it more of a
story. 

1606
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:21,300
More of a Prestige thing to 
have, you know. 

1607
01:27:21,300 --> 01:27:24,400
Yeah. 
So it's almost like it's almost 

1608
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:30,100
a joke or an irony if we could 
return to Jorah explaining to 

1609
01:27:30,100 --> 01:27:32,100
Danny why the Dothraki don't 
destroy the slaves. 

1610
01:27:32,100 --> 01:27:33,700
He's like he's like, well then 
they wouldn't have a place to 

1611
01:27:33,708 --> 01:27:37,200
sell their slaves. 
So Danny's like no place to sell

1612
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:41,500
your slaves. 
Say he's like that's a that 

1613
01:27:41,500 --> 01:27:43,900
sounds like a good thing you 
know, she's like, oh maybe 

1614
01:27:43,900 --> 01:27:46,600
that's the path that we should 
be taking here. 

1615
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:48,800
So it's almost like George is 
telling her why doesn't work and

1616
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:51,300
to her it's like a blueprint. 
It's or foreshadowing if you 

1617
01:27:51,308 --> 01:27:54,200
want to see if you want to 
imagine that, Danny will smash 

1618
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:56,400
the slave trade, which I think a
lot of us are really hoping for 

1619
01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:58,600
that would be great, the very 
heroic, I mean, mad the 

1620
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:01,200
fist-pumping we would get. 
I mean it as awesome as it was 

1621
01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:05,100
when she freed those unsullied 
and pulled that trick like that 

1622
01:28:05,100 --> 01:28:07,000
was like 9,000 people because 
yeah 8000. 

1623
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:09,900
So like with some of the Younger
ones and then bringing the city 

1624
01:28:09,900 --> 01:28:13,000
itself beyond that. 
So it did extend extend beyond 

1625
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:15,100
them, but imagine that on a much
larger scale. 

1626
01:28:15,100 --> 01:28:20,900
So yeah, it's a thing to root 
for But yeah, she might be 

1627
01:28:20,900 --> 01:28:22,500
willing to smash the entire here
with. 

1628
01:28:22,500 --> 01:28:24,300
She's like, well, I'll smash 
every slave market. 

1629
01:28:24,300 --> 01:28:26,800
If I got a break every single 
one, then I'll do that. 

1630
01:28:26,900 --> 01:28:29,100
Let's talk about some specific 
characters. 

1631
01:28:29,100 --> 01:28:32,700
There's not many, but we do have
a few missandei, of course, is 

1632
01:28:32,700 --> 01:28:33,700
the first one that comes to 
mind. 

1633
01:28:33,700 --> 01:28:36,800
But honestly there's enough 
about her especially mixing 

1634
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:39,000
theories which we of course 
would do. 

1635
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:41,100
Well do an episode on her stand 
alone. 

1636
01:28:41,100 --> 01:28:44,300
One day just real quickly though
book for show. 

1637
01:28:44,300 --> 01:28:47,800
Missandei is one of the bigger 
changes Michelle met Her role as

1638
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:49,700
Danny's close Confidant and kind
of made it kind of made her. 

1639
01:28:49,700 --> 01:28:52,500
Her only close Confidant, it was
the law of conservation of 

1640
01:28:52,508 --> 01:28:57,100
characters in essence, they're 
in effect, full effect. 

1641
01:28:57,100 --> 01:29:01,100
I got rid of Erie and G key and 
the blood Riders and everyone 

1642
01:29:01,100 --> 01:29:05,200
you know, except for joram 
barristan who also kind of died 

1643
01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:08,200
and weren't there. 
So yeah missandei was by far the

1644
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:09,700
top. 
I mean Grey Worm to I guess to a

1645
01:29:09,708 --> 01:29:14,000
lesser extent but missandei was 
way number one there and 

1646
01:29:14,100 --> 01:29:15,800
Michelle. 
Yeah missandei is like book 

1647
01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:17,200
version which obviously we care 
about way. 

1648
01:29:17,300 --> 01:29:20,900
More is about the same age as 
Arya and Shireen the for 

1649
01:29:20,900 --> 01:29:23,000
comparison. 
Five years younger than Danny 

1650
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:27,000
roughly, by the way about the 
same age as egg for Anna Duncan 

1651
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:30,800
- oh yeah, yeah, you're right. 
Yeah, that's a good point. 

1652
01:29:32,700 --> 01:29:34,900
We get at least when we first 
meet a big, you know, so yeah, 

1653
01:29:34,900 --> 01:29:36,900
see you later. 
Older versions of egg down the 

1654
01:29:36,900 --> 01:29:40,800
line, but we got a pretty brutal
example of nature versus 

1655
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:42,400
nurture. 
When we learned that missandei 

1656
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:45,300
had three. 
Brothers, most likely, they were

1657
01:29:45,300 --> 01:29:47,300
all captured at the same time 
may be from the same Village. 

1658
01:29:47,300 --> 01:29:49,500
There may have been some other 
people from her Village that 

1659
01:29:49,500 --> 01:29:52,800
were all captured like with them
because of what it says, they 

1660
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:55,800
target individual Villages, and 
try to get out as quickly as 

1661
01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:57,900
possible because they're aware 
of the butterfly fever. 

1662
01:29:57,900 --> 01:30:03,200
So, It makes sense that she was 
captured alongside people, she 

1663
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:06,600
knew. 
So she's ten now as we said, and

1664
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:08,400
her brothers were older than 
her. 

1665
01:30:08,700 --> 01:30:12,300
And we know that that unsullied 
training starts as young as five

1666
01:30:12,300 --> 01:30:14,500
and that they're fully trained 
now and it takes several years. 

1667
01:30:14,500 --> 01:30:17,700
So that gives you a little bit 
of an idea of the timeline here.

1668
01:30:18,300 --> 01:30:20,700
One of them died in that 
training to be unsullied. 

1669
01:30:20,700 --> 01:30:25,300
The other two made it through 
which it's a it's an odd 

1670
01:30:25,300 --> 01:30:26,600
conundrum. 
Like on one hand, they're 

1671
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:29,700
supposedly really easy, obedient
but they're also really 

1672
01:30:29,700 --> 01:30:31,500
peaceful. 
And it's one of their few, like 

1673
01:30:31,500 --> 01:30:35,800
overarching values as a, as a 
people because As you can 

1674
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:39,100
understand why they might be 
coerced or argued into, or 

1675
01:30:39,100 --> 01:30:43,900
forced into doing things, but 
they won't even defend 

1676
01:30:43,900 --> 01:30:46,100
themselves. 
Like, that's something that's 

1677
01:30:46,100 --> 01:30:49,700
not a passive thing. 
You have to You know, you have 

1678
01:30:49,708 --> 01:30:54,900
to work at is almost like, takes
bravery to be that dedicated to 

1679
01:30:54,900 --> 01:30:59,900
pacifism, you know, I mean, not 
almost it does, but it's just a 

1680
01:30:59,900 --> 01:31:01,900
different mindset. 
It's hard to maybe you can frame

1681
01:31:01,900 --> 01:31:05,500
it differently and maybe even 
lack the words or certainly 

1682
01:31:05,500 --> 01:31:07,600
perspective to explain it 
properly. 

1683
01:31:07,900 --> 01:31:10,900
But I think you kind of see 
where I'm coming from at least 

1684
01:31:10,900 --> 01:31:14,000
two. 
We somewhat Still will be. 

1685
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:19,700
I feel like they were probably 
young enough to not fully had 

1686
01:31:19,700 --> 01:31:23,000
the that cultural ideal 
ingrained in them yet. 

1687
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:27,500
You know, even if it was, it 
would get overridden by the type

1688
01:31:27,500 --> 01:31:30,300
of training and mutilation and 
everything else that came with 

1689
01:31:30,300 --> 01:31:33,100
slavery and the in solely. 
Yeah. 

1690
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:37,900
So given that they're freed, 
it's interesting to see some 

1691
01:31:37,900 --> 01:31:40,200
small differences, it's real 
under the radar stuff. 

1692
01:31:40,200 --> 01:31:42,300
I think with the unsullied lot 
of has yet to play out and I 

1693
01:31:42,300 --> 01:31:45,100
think we'll see more of it show.
Just didn't delve into it. 

1694
01:31:45,100 --> 01:31:46,900
Much at all, which is not 
surprising. 

1695
01:31:47,700 --> 01:31:50,600
But both of the brothers Grey 
Worm takes the name Grey Worm, 

1696
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:52,600
he's like, that's the name I had
on the day. 

1697
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:54,400
You freed me and that's very 
symbolic to me. 

1698
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:59,300
It's got a lot of meaning, but 
both of Masson Days Brothers, 

1699
01:31:59,300 --> 01:32:01,900
take their given names back. 
They return to their original 

1700
01:32:01,900 --> 01:32:03,500
names which says a little 
something to me. 

1701
01:32:03,500 --> 01:32:05,000
And I leaving as, you know, 
there's a little bit of 

1702
01:32:05,008 --> 01:32:08,400
connection at least, at least a 
little bit of connection to 

1703
01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:12,000
their Heritage, to their origin.
And that makes a little sense. 

1704
01:32:12,100 --> 01:32:13,700
Me as well because they're older
than missandei. 

1705
01:32:13,700 --> 01:32:16,900
They would have more memories of
their upbringing of their home, 

1706
01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:22,100
you know, unfortunately, Masjid 
or one of the two brothers was 

1707
01:32:22,100 --> 01:32:25,700
killed by the sons of the harpy,
amongst those mini, you 

1708
01:32:25,700 --> 01:32:28,500
terroristic murders that were 
happening. 

1709
01:32:28,900 --> 01:32:31,600
Before she married his daughter,
he was crushed by Falling 

1710
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:35,800
stones. 
And here's a quote, He taught me

1711
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:37,900
how to climb a tree when we were
little. 

1712
01:32:38,200 --> 01:32:40,400
He could catch fish with his 
hands. 

1713
01:32:40,700 --> 01:32:44,900
Once I found him sleeping in our
garden with 100 butterflies. 

1714
01:32:44,900 --> 01:32:48,300
Crawling over him. 
He looked so beautiful that 

1715
01:32:48,300 --> 01:32:52,600
morning this one. 
I mean, I loved him. 

1716
01:32:53,200 --> 01:32:58,200
So catching fish is an 
interesting little tidbit there 

1717
01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:00,800
because they don't eat flesh. 
Is he just catching them for fun

1718
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:03,800
or they basket Aryan maybe? 
Oh yeah, yeah maybe they are 

1719
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:05,600
past. 
This area but maybe he has just 

1720
01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:08,200
catching them for fun. 
Yeah, just to stash it just for 

1721
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:10,800
practice, just for agility and 
he lets them go afterwards, 

1722
01:33:11,100 --> 01:33:12,000
okay. 
That's kind of where my head. 

1723
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:13,300
Canon is going on. 
I don't know. 

1724
01:33:13,308 --> 01:33:17,600
This isn't like, that's meat. 
I mean, you don't know why I 

1725
01:33:17,608 --> 01:33:20,700
like to think she's mainly 
fresh, you know, they so yeah. 

1726
01:33:20,700 --> 01:33:22,800
And that, you're right. 
They say Flash, not meet never 

1727
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:24,000
said. 
I mean, technically, you could 

1728
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:27,000
call the, for the Flesh of a 
fruit is flesh. 

1729
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:29,700
Some people call that flash? 
I don't know. 

1730
01:33:30,700 --> 01:33:33,300
But also, I wonder their stance 
on pets. 

1731
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:35,800
Okay. 
Yeah, they can maybe stock a 

1732
01:33:35,808 --> 01:33:38,600
little ponds with fish as pets 
or something like that. 

1733
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:39,700
Okay. 
Or to free. 

1734
01:33:39,700 --> 01:33:42,700
The maybe they were caught in a 
tide pool and they read them and

1735
01:33:42,700 --> 01:33:46,400
put them back in the ocean, 
something like that. 

1736
01:33:47,300 --> 01:33:50,800
This character Masa door was 
named in the song characters. 

1737
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:54,200
We don't know by the band Danny 
and the targaryens love them. 

1738
01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:55,400
Are you going to sing this for 
us is? 

1739
01:33:55,400 --> 01:33:56,700
He's okay, sure. 
Okay. 

1740
01:33:56,700 --> 01:34:00,000
Here's a line here's how the 
song goes it's conveniently in 

1741
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:04,300
the first verse of the song. 
I'm a big fan of Game of 

1742
01:34:04,300 --> 01:34:07,100
Thrones, but there's so many 
characters, I don't know. 

1743
01:34:07,100 --> 01:34:10,900
So listen up, as you drink your 
beer, here's a tribute for all 

1744
01:34:10,900 --> 01:34:13,500
to hear. 
There's a little guy who can be 

1745
01:34:13,500 --> 01:34:17,700
seen by Khaleesi out an old 
Marine looks like Grey Worm 

1746
01:34:17,700 --> 01:34:21,000
slightly bald must adore is what
he's called. 

1747
01:34:23,900 --> 01:34:26,300
Beautiful singing. 
You can hear that song on 

1748
01:34:26,300 --> 01:34:29,100
Spotify if you want I'm sure 
it's available in other places 

1749
01:34:29,100 --> 01:34:31,400
like YouTube but that's 
certainly where I reminded 

1750
01:34:31,400 --> 01:34:35,000
myself of the lyrics. 
It's worth checking out all of 

1751
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:37,700
the Danny and Targaryen songs. 
I think they have at least two 

1752
01:34:37,700 --> 01:34:39,700
albums, right? 
They have two Studio albums in a

1753
01:34:39,708 --> 01:34:41,300
live album. 
This is from the living room. 

1754
01:34:41,400 --> 01:34:42,100
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1755
01:34:42,100 --> 01:34:44,300
They're great. 
We see in the mirror, they're 

1756
01:34:44,300 --> 01:34:45,500
very good. 
Yes. 

1757
01:34:45,500 --> 01:34:49,600
Absolutely three. 
Thumbs up from us or 67, 

1758
01:34:57,100 --> 01:35:00,300
magically Sean's door, opens and
Rita's, hand pops. 

1759
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:08,300
So Marcel in is the other 
surviving of the Sunday's 

1760
01:35:08,300 --> 01:35:14,500
Brothers. 
Three companies of Friedman 

1761
01:35:15,300 --> 01:35:18,300
sellswords effectively, but not 
really sellswords because he's, 

1762
01:35:18,300 --> 01:35:23,600
they have sworn themselves to 
Danny formed in the wake of the 

1763
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:25,900
fall of marine and her friend 
the unsullied. 

1764
01:35:27,300 --> 01:35:32,000
Marcel n' isn't a nun solid 
anymore, he left clearly because

1765
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:34,800
he's now leading this company of
Friedman. 

1766
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:37,800
So that's really interesting, is
another sign of reclaiming, his 

1767
01:35:37,800 --> 01:35:40,800
individuality a little bit 
different than Grey Worm, but 

1768
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:43,000
still similar because he still 
dedicated to Danny. 

1769
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:44,600
I mean, the group is called the 
mothers men. 

1770
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:47,600
And obviously, that's my mother 
and references her. 

1771
01:35:48,700 --> 01:35:51,600
So, but also another example of 
their Excellence. 

1772
01:35:51,900 --> 01:35:54,000
He's a little bit more of his, 
he retains little bit more of 

1773
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:56,900
his individuality, maybe, and 
he's named captain. 

1774
01:35:57,000 --> 01:35:59,500
He's elected Captain like they 
nominate him. 

1775
01:35:59,700 --> 01:36:05,300
So another outstanding figure 
from nathe maybe for story 

1776
01:36:05,300 --> 01:36:10,000
reasons but well cynical to say 
perhaps. 

1777
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:13,600
But again there's maybe that's 
why the the slavers like the 

1778
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:15,800
Matthew so much. 
There it really are Works. 

1779
01:36:16,100 --> 01:36:19,700
May be exceptionally talented or
just better at stuff for some 

1780
01:36:19,700 --> 01:36:21,900
reason. 
And again referring to the fact 

1781
01:36:21,900 --> 01:36:25,100
that they tend to raid whole 
Villages and things like that. 

1782
01:36:25,100 --> 01:36:28,900
Probably other not the Monks the
8,000 unsullied, it's probably a

1783
01:36:28,900 --> 01:36:32,300
few other survivors hard to 
imagine that nasaan Days 

1784
01:36:32,300 --> 01:36:34,900
Brothers are the only ones that 
made it through training. 

1785
01:36:36,100 --> 01:36:38,100
Maybe some of them are in that 
same company, maybe some of them

1786
01:36:38,100 --> 01:36:40,500
will get names later or get 
referred to. 

1787
01:36:40,800 --> 01:36:44,000
Because if this one's becoming a
little more individual, why not 

1788
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:47,700
a few others, you know, George 
doesn't stint on the side 

1789
01:36:47,700 --> 01:36:51,800
characters, as we know and I 
think there's a little more 

1790
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:56,400
opportunity as the unsullied and
the farmer unsullied. 

1791
01:36:56,400 --> 01:36:59,400
Go to Westeros and have more 
interactions with westerosi. 

1792
01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:02,000
There's more, there's no 
definitely more opportunity for 

1793
01:37:02,900 --> 01:37:04,700
Some of these personalities to 
emerge. 

1794
01:37:05,900 --> 01:37:08,000
I appreciate that. 
You said if this one is becoming

1795
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:13,100
a little bit more individual? 
Yes, that's right. 

1796
01:37:13,100 --> 01:37:15,900
I'm trying to speak like she's 
supposed to break that habit. 

1797
01:37:15,900 --> 01:37:22,300
If I'm so the unsullied worship.
The lady of Spears as we refer 

1798
01:37:22,300 --> 01:37:24,400
to in the trivia. 
Question at the beginning, they 

1799
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:27,100
refused to speak of much to 
Outsiders know. 

1800
01:37:27,100 --> 01:37:30,800
I wonder How does this work with
their religion? 

1801
01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:32,700
Now, is this, another example of
syncretism? 

1802
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:36,400
The naafi, see the Lord of 
Harmony as the one true God. 

1803
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:39,100
But the nathi, who are unsullied
now, also worship the lady of 

1804
01:37:39,108 --> 01:37:41,300
Spears. 
So it's not a, I'm not 

1805
01:37:41,300 --> 01:37:43,800
criticizing, obviously, there's 
tons of syncretism and real 

1806
01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:49,100
world, and in this planet, but I
wonder how they You sort that 

1807
01:37:49,100 --> 01:37:52,400
out in their minds of Spears is 
just one of the butterfly women 

1808
01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:54,800
to the Lord of Harmony and very 
pointy Wings. 

1809
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:00,400
By the spears are like the 
design on the wings. 

1810
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:04,900
That would look really cool 
lady's face with with spear-like

1811
01:38:04,900 --> 01:38:07,700
protrude rinses designs. 
It's pretty cool. 

1812
01:38:08,200 --> 01:38:09,600
Someone commission Center 
exeunt. 

1813
01:38:10,100 --> 01:38:13,800
Oh yeah, yeah, it's a bullet 
with butterfly wings. 

1814
01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:16,300
Is that Smashing Pumpkins on 
have a spear with Butterfly 

1815
01:38:16,300 --> 01:38:20,700
Wings. 
But Marcel and should have a 

1816
01:38:20,700 --> 01:38:23,300
role going forward. 
I'm, he's a commander of one of 

1817
01:38:23,300 --> 01:38:26,900
these three free companies and 
Danny's leading all these people

1818
01:38:26,900 --> 01:38:29,400
to Westeros to face the others, 
in the whites and other 

1819
01:38:29,400 --> 01:38:32,800
westerosi armies. 
We definitely haven't heard the 

1820
01:38:32,808 --> 01:38:35,300
last from this character. 
I do think his role is, you 

1821
01:38:35,300 --> 01:38:38,600
know, I don't think it'll be big
role, but it'll matter, 

1822
01:38:38,600 --> 01:38:41,200
especially considering Danny's 
relationship with missandei so 

1823
01:38:41,200 --> 01:38:43,200
important. 
And thus, her the fate of her 

1824
01:38:43,208 --> 01:38:46,900
brother, will matter a lot to 
her, you know, there, whatever. 

1825
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:50,700
Feels is going to matter and we 
may even see a scene with them 

1826
01:38:50,700 --> 01:38:53,000
together missandei and Marcel 
and that'd be cool. 

1827
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:56,300
Well it could be cool. 
It might be like, sad. 

1828
01:38:58,700 --> 01:39:00,400
I still want. 
I'm optimistic that I would 

1829
01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:02,900
enjoy such a scene. 
You know, let's have that George

1830
01:39:02,900 --> 01:39:06,000
shall we? 
So just some final thoughts 

1831
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:08,200
here. 
The show made this really 

1832
01:39:08,200 --> 01:39:11,100
humorously sick joke that I 
don't even think they were aware

1833
01:39:11,100 --> 01:39:13,400
of when they're like Grey Worm 
is going to go to NASA at the 

1834
01:39:13,400 --> 01:39:14,100
end. 
Remember? 

1835
01:39:14,100 --> 01:39:16,900
Being like wait no don't do this
laughing. 

1836
01:39:17,500 --> 01:39:20,600
Picturing like, okay, well, this
is now a perfect setup for like,

1837
01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:29,200
a 2 hour hour-and-a-half horror 
movie seemingly idyllic place 

1838
01:39:29,200 --> 01:39:32,600
and he's like, wanted to 
investigate my Sunday's family, 

1839
01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:34,800
and like, yeah. 
Anyways, it can actually be very

1840
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:37,900
good but no. 
I do not think they did that on 

1841
01:39:37,900 --> 01:39:40,600
purpose. 
Yeah, I don't either it. 

1842
01:39:40,600 --> 01:39:45,900
Certainly did create some fodder
for jokes, but yeah, I really 

1843
01:39:45,900 --> 01:39:46,900
don't think the books will go 
there. 

1844
01:39:46,900 --> 01:39:48,700
It's one of the most Most. 
It's one of the locations we can

1845
01:39:48,700 --> 01:39:50,500
be. 
Most sure we won't see. 

1846
01:39:51,300 --> 01:39:54,100
Even you know, as if there was 
like a bin lorath with like 

1847
01:39:54,100 --> 01:39:56,300
yeah, there's just we're not 
going there, maybe in some 

1848
01:39:56,300 --> 01:39:59,000
future production, but not in A 
Song of Ice and Fire. 

1849
01:40:00,300 --> 01:40:02,200
But maybe, you know, missandei 
says, she's going to go back, 

1850
01:40:02,200 --> 01:40:04,100
but what about Marcel? 
Maybe he does, maybe he does 

1851
01:40:04,100 --> 01:40:07,100
want to go back, you know, I 
mean, if that I will say, if the

1852
01:40:07,100 --> 01:40:10,400
nymeria show of the rhoynar show
actually happens, there's our, 

1853
01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:12,000
we would see it. 
That's the first place we would 

1854
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:13,700
see it on screen. 
You are so right? 

1855
01:40:14,300 --> 01:40:16,400
But that requires that show 
being made and I'm actually 

1856
01:40:16,400 --> 01:40:18,000
going to all the places they go 
to. 

1857
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:20,700
There's a lot, a lot stopping 
that, but when you heard it from

1858
01:40:20,700 --> 01:40:23,600
Asha folks, pray harder for the 
nymeria show. 

1859
01:40:25,200 --> 01:40:26,500
But yeah, like what do you even 
fit in? 

1860
01:40:26,500 --> 01:40:28,700
Like, the people are so peaceful
and he's been trained as an 

1861
01:40:28,700 --> 01:40:29,600
unsullied. 
I don't know. 

1862
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:32,000
I mean you could he could you 
could find find peace again but 

1863
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:35,000
that's a hard to undo all that, 
you know, it would be a 

1864
01:40:35,008 --> 01:40:39,000
challenge but worth a worthy 
challenge or maybe he'll just 

1865
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:40,500
die fighting the others in the 
north. 

1866
01:40:40,500 --> 01:40:43,500
You know, that would be not 
unexpected fate for any 

1867
01:40:43,500 --> 01:40:46,900
character in this series. 
But if he does survive, he could

1868
01:40:46,900 --> 01:40:49,100
be a part of that, you know, the
dream of spring, whatever that 

1869
01:40:49,100 --> 01:40:55,100
means. 
So if Danny dies, I don't know. 

1870
01:40:55,100 --> 01:40:58,600
And it seems pretty likely, but 
I'm doubtful that both Marcel 

1871
01:40:58,600 --> 01:41:00,500
and missandei dies. 
Well, maybe all three of them 

1872
01:41:00,500 --> 01:41:04,800
will but it and if they do there
still, could be a happy ending 

1873
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:06,500
for her people for the naughty 
people. 

1874
01:41:07,900 --> 01:41:12,400
Let's say there is someone that 
survives of those three Marcel 

1875
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:15,700
enormous on day more likely than
Danny probably, they could be 

1876
01:41:15,700 --> 01:41:18,400
part of the proceedings during a
dream of spring. 

1877
01:41:18,400 --> 01:41:21,100
The various episodic are pelagic
epilogue. 

1878
01:41:21,100 --> 01:41:24,600
If I'm going to use that word, 
it's a good words to wrap up. 

1879
01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:27,300
Various the so many plot 
threads, that would be one way 

1880
01:41:27,300 --> 01:41:30,000
to, to have someone from Nathan 
and just to have them have a 

1881
01:41:30,008 --> 01:41:32,400
conversation with one of the 
povs like A2 liner. 

1882
01:41:32,700 --> 01:41:38,500
Just to get us some closure. 
But we could also learn as part 

1883
01:41:38,500 --> 01:41:40,700
of this or something entirely 
separate and it's kind of my 

1884
01:41:40,700 --> 01:41:45,400
hope that even as Danny is 
saving Westeros from maybe the 

1885
01:41:45,400 --> 01:41:47,900
world from the other. 
She also saves the naughty 

1886
01:41:47,900 --> 01:41:50,800
people or help them restore 
their, at least their trade 

1887
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:52,600
economy, and their ability to 
live. 

1888
01:41:53,400 --> 01:41:56,200
In Greater Peace by Smashing the
slave trade. 

1889
01:41:56,200 --> 01:41:58,900
Like, if he smashes it 
thoroughly enough, it'll really 

1890
01:41:58,900 --> 01:42:01,500
help the Nazi people. 
Even the ones, you know, the 

1891
01:42:01,500 --> 01:42:05,700
ones that she's never met. 
Just the their people as a whole

1892
01:42:05,700 --> 01:42:07,600
would be really helped by that. 
The Basilisk Isles, could still 

1893
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:10,800
be a problem, but if you smashes
their Market places, the places 

1894
01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:13,700
they sell their slaves, that 
would that be a huge gift to her

1895
01:42:13,700 --> 01:42:15,700
to? 
That's it at people that we 

1896
01:42:15,700 --> 01:42:20,500
could infer or if not get direct
evidence of from the text. 

1897
01:42:21,400 --> 01:42:27,500
It would be a good way to convey
a lot if we had a scene where 

1898
01:42:27,600 --> 01:42:30,200
the Nazi people were 
establishing a village on the 

1899
01:42:30,200 --> 01:42:31,400
coast. 
Hmm. 

1900
01:42:31,500 --> 01:42:34,200
And that would like tell us that
the slave trade isn't a threat 

1901
01:42:34,200 --> 01:42:34,900
anymore. 
You know? 

1902
01:42:34,900 --> 01:42:36,700
Yeah. 
It would be very much like the 

1903
01:42:36,700 --> 01:42:39,000
little bit of greenery growing 
north of the wall because kind 

1904
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:41,500
of a symbol just like I just one
little bit would show that's the

1905
01:42:41,500 --> 01:42:43,200
symbol of more to come. 
You're right. 

1906
01:42:43,200 --> 01:42:44,300
That's it. 
That's a great way if you're 

1907
01:42:44,300 --> 01:42:45,900
filming it, that's how you do 
it. 

1908
01:42:45,900 --> 01:42:48,100
I think that's a great way. 
Yeah, you're great call Shawn. 

1909
01:42:48,400 --> 01:42:50,200
And if we think about it in 
terms of winter, I mean it's one

1910
01:42:50,200 --> 01:42:52,400
of the least likely We places to
be impacted by winter. 

1911
01:42:53,100 --> 01:42:55,300
It could almost be a refuge if 
not for the butterflies. 

1912
01:42:56,300 --> 01:43:00,500
Again, those turn flutterflies a
global long, that would surely 

1913
01:43:00,500 --> 01:43:02,500
be a problem. 
Again, I wonder if they would 

1914
01:43:02,500 --> 01:43:06,700
have ancestral memory of that, 
from some long time gone or 

1915
01:43:06,800 --> 01:43:09,900
record of it somehow, maybe they
have songs like the rhoynar. 

1916
01:43:11,100 --> 01:43:13,700
But it's interesting to consider
that it could be, it will be a 

1917
01:43:13,700 --> 01:43:16,200
refuge at least for them. 
They wouldn't be as impacted by 

1918
01:43:16,200 --> 01:43:17,600
it. 
So I'm pretty optimistic about 

1919
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:20,500
their future, even as I'm not as
optimistic about so many other 

1920
01:43:20,500 --> 01:43:22,800
things. 
So many other characters, you 

1921
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:25,000
know what, I want to sit down 
and look at it, I think. 

1922
01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:27,500
Yeah. 
You know, things are probably 

1923
01:43:27,500 --> 01:43:30,000
better for them, because I think
a lot of the things that are 

1924
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:34,700
making their lives, hard are 
going to be severely damaged if 

1925
01:43:34,700 --> 01:43:37,000
not outright destroyed by the 
actions of Daenerys. 

1926
01:43:39,100 --> 01:43:41,200
Caesars for things, get better 
for them when they're not that 

1927
01:43:41,200 --> 01:43:43,500
ambitious in the first place, 
you know, they're not like this 

1928
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:47,200
great Empire. 
That is going to fall, they're 

1929
01:43:47,200 --> 01:43:50,900
just content community that 
wants to maintain. 

1930
01:43:50,900 --> 01:43:57,200
So it only takes people to stop 
being violent toward them for it

1931
01:43:57,200 --> 01:44:00,500
to get better, right? 
It doesn't require some massive 

1932
01:44:00,500 --> 01:44:04,100
bun or some huge Stroke of Luck 
or some discovery of gold, or 

1933
01:44:04,100 --> 01:44:06,100
anything else. 
To just all they need is for 

1934
01:44:06,100 --> 01:44:07,800
people to not violently attack 
them. 

1935
01:44:08,100 --> 01:44:11,400
Yeah. 
Yeah, it's like what Jorah said 

1936
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:15,500
to Danny, you know? 
Peasants want to be the 

1937
01:44:15,500 --> 01:44:18,200
commoners, want to be left alone
you know you high Lords, play 

1938
01:44:18,200 --> 01:44:21,200
your game of thrones like this 
is like an if entire people 

1939
01:44:21,200 --> 01:44:26,300
represented that concept right? 
And but people don't leave them 

1940
01:44:26,300 --> 01:44:27,200
alone. 
Yeah. 

1941
01:44:27,500 --> 01:44:29,200
Because people keep playing that
game of thrones. 

1942
01:44:29,200 --> 01:44:32,000
Even if it's just in this case, 
maybe it's more about wealth and

1943
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:34,000
power. 
But as we know those two things 

1944
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:37,200
are tied together an extremely 
and that's our episode, folks, 

1945
01:44:37,200 --> 01:44:39,800
the trivia question let's get to
that, shall we? 

1946
01:44:39,900 --> 01:44:44,700
The question again was what are 
the other nicknames or Or 

1947
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:50,800
monikers for the lady of Spears 
and the answers Our Lady of 

1948
01:44:50,800 --> 01:44:53,700
Spears. 
Right of battle mother of hosts 

1949
01:44:53,900 --> 01:44:57,500
three names same figure that's 
right. 

1950
01:44:58,000 --> 01:45:02,400
Next week is the Ned ucation 
episode and we'll be continuing 

1951
01:45:02,400 --> 01:45:07,600
from there with more episodes. 
Of course we rarely stop. 

1952
01:45:07,600 --> 01:45:09,500
We only occasionally, take a 
break. 

1953
01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:13,300
Hmm. 
Episodes we mentioned along the 

1954
01:45:13,300 --> 01:45:19,600
way that you might turn to, for 
further immersion, the Basilisk 

1955
01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:23,600
Isles, episode fairly, recent 
one, like a gossip dose, patreon

1956
01:45:23,900 --> 01:45:25,900
/. 
Bonus episode is out there as 

1957
01:45:25,900 --> 01:45:28,100
well. 
As well as the Valar reread this

1958
01:45:28,100 --> 01:45:31,100
episode on the children of the 
forest, which contained some 

1959
01:45:31,200 --> 01:45:34,200
references to this things that 
we discussed in this one as 

1960
01:45:34,200 --> 01:45:36,500
well. 
Not to mention Valerie, Rita's 

1961
01:45:36,500 --> 01:45:40,200
for A Dance with Dragons and A 
Storm of Swords and we're very 

1962
01:45:40,400 --> 01:45:43,100
chapters are featured Oh yes. 
Nymeria of course you're right. 

1963
01:45:43,400 --> 01:45:45,000
Good catch a almost forgot that 
one. 

1964
01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:49,000
I'm hearing everything I'm area.
No she never would never would. 

1965
01:45:49,500 --> 01:45:56,000
I'm here is like Dre, thanks to 
all of you who support us on 

1966
01:45:56,000 --> 01:46:00,300
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1967
01:46:00,300 --> 01:46:03,000
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1968
01:46:03,000 --> 01:46:05,500
That works as well. 
Thank you too. 

1969
01:46:05,600 --> 01:46:09,000
Joey. 
Jesse and bran for help with our

1970
01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:12,800
music and video intro. 
As well as Michael car failed 

1971
01:46:12,800 --> 01:46:14,300
for that. 
And this awesome map. 

1972
01:46:14,300 --> 01:46:17,300
You see behind me and other Maps
you've seen behind me on 

1973
01:46:17,300 --> 01:46:19,900
different days. 
Those are pretty much all 

1974
01:46:19,900 --> 01:46:23,400
Michael car failed. 
His sight is Claire Doc's, dot 

1975
01:46:23,400 --> 01:46:26,400
d, e. 
You can get stuff like that from

1976
01:46:26,400 --> 01:46:33,100
him directly. and until next 
time, You can catch us again for

1977
01:46:33,100 --> 01:46:38,900
more and you know what to do? 
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