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Hello my fellow Westorians. 
It's another Sunday. 

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It's time for more Valar, reread
us. 

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Let's see what today brings us. 
A my fellow Westorians and a 

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dancing Shawn of House Beard. 
How are you doing today, my 

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friend? 
What are you drinking? 

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I'm doing well. 
It's good to be here. 

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I have a delicious beverage. 
This is the Mango Naked drink 

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mixed with a coconut, pineapple,
sparkling ice and of course 

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mixed with Mountain Dew. 
Of course. 

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The very sweet and citrusy do 
you? 

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Really like to take it from a 
like almost healthy drink to a 

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not nearly as healthy drink. 
I want that caffeine in there. 

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It's hard to have a healthy 
beverage when your basis for 

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everything is Mountain Dew. 
So imagine a soup where the 

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broth is a Mountain Dew. 
OK, no, I do not want to think 

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about that. 
Stop thinking about that. 

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Everyone. 
Don't do that. 

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I can't stop thinking about 
that. 

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Let's change the subject. 
So Sean, you have been talking 

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about movie stuff. 
You know, you've got your 

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channel and you have done short 
videos on movies that were up 

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for awards. 
But recently you've been 

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thinking about maybe doing some 
underrated films, things that 

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are maybe not gotten as much 
attention that you think are 

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worthy of more attention. 
Are there any, any, any in 

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particular that you're thinking 
about or just the process that's

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something you want to mention? 
Yeah, I've actually got a lot in

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my brain I want to do. 
I need to buckle down and get it

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done because I kind of want to 
build a catalog. 

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I want to do some sort of 
classic movies that most people 

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have seen just so that you can 
see how my reviews are going. 

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So I'll do Indiana Jones and 
Star Wars or whatever, but also 

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want to do things that maybe 
everyone hasn't seen or maybe 

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even isn't aware of. 
Maybe underrated movies, Hedwig 

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and Andrea Inch or foreign 
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movies that are kind of well 
known but maybe not as highly 

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thought of as I thought. 
And maybe some movies you 

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haven't even heard of. 
I'm kind of the point of my 

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channel is to get people to 
watch good movies, whether it's 

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great movies that you haven't 
gone to yet or movies you 

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haven't even heard of and you 
know, even great movies you 

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haven't gotten to yet, There's 
going to be some that you're 

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going to end up liking more than
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And I want to give people an 
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going to be. 
Is it going to be serious? 

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Is it going to be funny? 
Is it going to be romantic? 

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Is it going to be dark, 
etcetera. 

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You know and. 
Underrated is a harder category 

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than just films that are up for 
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That's that gives you a starting
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So underrated means you have to 
think about more what that means

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and and take into account 
whatever people are thinking and

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things like that. 
I made a post on Facebook that 

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about that and exploded to like 
100 comets. 

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Both people talking about the 
movies they think underrated and

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talking about what it means to 
be underrated. 

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So it's it's a yeah, it's kind. 
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hear what other people think of 
underrated, whether it's like 

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how it appears on IMDb, how many
people bought tickets to see it,

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what kind of ratings it has, you
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it. 
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everyone's got their own 
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That's part of what makes it 
interesting in the first place. 

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So let's see here. 
Thanks to Nina for her help on 

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the hedge night. 
We've gotten a lot of great 

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takes from her. 
I've got a couple of 

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particularly exciting ones today
that I'm excited to talk about. 

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Excited things that I'm excited 
to talk about. 

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Yeah. 
Report me to the Department of 

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Redundancy department yet again.
I think I've been sent there at 

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least twice in the past two 
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The. 
Way. 

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The sworn sword begins versus 
the way the hedge night ends. 

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They, they really kind of bleed 
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quite a lot of time has passed 
because it, it sticks with these

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familiar sort of plot centric 
ideas while maintaining its its 

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feel, its themes of these two 
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and working together and and 
getting into adventures. 

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I'll probably mention it when we
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that. 
How does the hedge and I start? 

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It's raining. 
Yeah. 

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How's the sworn sword start? 
It's a drought. 

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Oh, good call, good call. 
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start? 
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have to check on that some sort 
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I seem to remember it was hot, 
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drought. 
Maybe it's just humid so it's 

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like in between you've got. 
The heat of you've got the heat.

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Of the desert, but the humidity 
of the it's. 

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Just really windy. 
Yeah, you need Windy. 

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We definitely don't have snow. 
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so blood Ravens around. 
So there's definitely going to 

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be a little bit of mist at the 
at the little at the least. 

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So let's start with the reveal. 
One of the it's a fun moment. 

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Of course, when Egg reveals who 
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There's a lot of clues that he's
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really something that the plot 
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It's not like who is this guy? 
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where it's it's a lot along the 
lines of the way George does a 

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lot of mysteries. 
He doesn't even tell you there's

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a mystery. 
Sometimes he just gives you the 

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answer that you didn't know 
there was something in secret 

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all this time and you're like, 
oh, this has been a a mystery 

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this whole time. 
So that's kind of neat. 

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I think you told me you already 
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this the first time. 
Is that right? 

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So it wasn't really a surprise 
for you. 

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It correct it was still AI don't
know how to say it's an exciting

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moment. 
When was it Raymond giving Dunk 

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a rundown of the different 
Princess and just this is about 

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to mention Egg. 
Egg bursts in and like. 

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Yeah, Dunk doesn't really give 
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He's not like, I wonder who this
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It just kind of goes by when any
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which you know, there's going to
be at least one more in the main

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series and perhaps one revealed 
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So we may have the reversal, 
like actually this guy is not a 

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Targaryen. 
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Both of those things happen, one
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So it's things like this where 
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It's like, well, George is going
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Is this like a warm up for him? 
Is he practicing the John 

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reveal? 
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do this? 
That's that's what I think about

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because we've we already know 
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We know the secret, but we know 
there's going to be more secrets

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of this ilk that come into much 
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Like whenever the reveal with 
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a multi stage reveal because you
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characters that have to react to
it and then John himself has to 

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react to it. 
So it's not just going to be 

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like this where Dunk is really 
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because Aryan's like, hey, what 
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you know? 
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for the future of of their 
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When he says how many Aegons 
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responds 4 Aegons have been king
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So and if Young Griff, if that 
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crowned, which I think he will 
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around Danny is that she'll slay
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And that would be a pretty big 
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He if he's crowned, he would be 
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Whether that counts in 
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But he is still an Aegon, so 
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You know what I thought I had 
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Not just how many Aegons there 
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other Targaryens and kings. 
So there's a lot of repeating 

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names, you know, and sometimes 
it's even hard. 

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I finally started to sort out 
some of them, you know, but it's

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it's kind of how the real world 
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There were so many Charles's and
Phillips and Edwards in European

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history. 
I remember the the Danielle 

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Belleli podcast about Joan of 
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He he kind of joked about, I 
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but. 
My favorite example is the show 

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The Last Kingdom and the books 
and the real History where I 

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like to think I'm good at this, 
but when they're all just like 

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Alfred and Alfred, I, I can't. 
It's very difficult for me. 

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I finally understand where some 
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and Fire. 
Yeah. 

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So it's real history is way. 
Worse than? 

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This, that's the thing, folks 
like all these Aegons and 

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Darrons, it's nothing like that.
We're all like, how many 

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Kennedys are there? 
How many Bushes are there? 

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There's lots of them. 
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True. 
This happens, some of this 

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happens there are progresses 
towards Dunk being in a cell. 

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Something is somewhat familiar 
to A Song of Ice and Fire. 

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POV has been a lot of chapters 
of characters and cells. 

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This doesn't last very long. 
He's not in jail very long. 

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It's it's it goes pretty 
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He has a discussion with Egg. 
Egg apologizes to him for the 

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deception, not realizing it 
could get Dunk in trouble, which

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that's kind of a recurring 
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Even when nobility or or trying 
to be decent, sometimes just who

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they are, just their presence 
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happening around them. 
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negative. 
And of course this is an example

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of that. 
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is, you know, AG didn't make 
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go get him knowing probably what
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I guess it's just no chance, no 
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That's we'll come back to that. 
There's this great quote here 

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that is pretty important. 
I think it's maybe one of the if

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we were to rank them the quotes 
in this story, this one might 

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fall in the top five for most 
important just for the the many 

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different things it describes, 
explains and touches on. 

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Here it is. 
Dunk looked at him thoughtfully.

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He knew what it was like to want
something so badly you would 

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tell a monstrous lie just to get
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I thought you were like me, he 
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Might be. 
You are only not the way I 

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thought. 
Yeah, so. 

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I have a question here, what do 
y'all think the two ways that 

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they're alike are? 
The way that Dunk would have 

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thought they were like him, that
Egg would have thought, which I 

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think we know, but what is Egg 
saying here? 

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That they're both. 
Decent people, yes. 

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I do think that. 
I think that he thought that 

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they were, he was an orphan boy 
like him. 

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But that's the part that he's 
not. 

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But he is like a, you know, a 
big hearted guy, one who cares 

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about other people, no matter 
how poor they are and cares 

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about justice. 
Is that how you interpreted 

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Sean? 
Yeah. 

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Exactly. 
Yeah. 

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You know, they, I, they thought 
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were lowborn or, you know, it's 
all kinds of ways that they 

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thought they were like. 
But realizing there is other 

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ways they're like, they're even 
more important. 

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Yeah. 
It's a great way to put a good 

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set. 
That's that is what it comes 

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down to. 
That's the thing that ultimately

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I think keeps them together. 
Obviously Egg couldn't know that

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about him at first, when he just
was trying to get away from 

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Deron and just go to the 
tournament and just do anything 

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other than hang out with his 
drunk older brother who's kind 

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of not doing anything. 
Like he was bored. 

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It's not just, and he wanted to,
you know, it's a lot of things 

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really. 
And. 

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Maybe Egg really just had no one
else that he could call to this.

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But I mean, I think it just 
shows how how safe Egg felt with

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Dunk already, how much he's got 
a good vibe from him. 

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Yeah, he knew. 
That this is the man to run to. 

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Like he explained, you know, it 
comes up during the conversation

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like why didn't you run to the 
castle? 

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He was like, well, I didn't 
think I could get there in time.

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You know, it was so far away. 
And those are pretty good 

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reasons, you know, the the woman
is being injured in that moment.

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You definitely don't have much 
time. 

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I think it. 
Was an emotional choice, though,

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just as much I. 
Mean he plays it. 

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Off as that, but I think Egg is 
a little boy who ran to the 

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person than he thinks would keep
him safe. 

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So might be. 
Some post facto justification. 

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He might be like, no, I would 
have run to him anyway, yeah. 

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And it made sense. 
It was like the right call, but 

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I, I think it was colored by 
that. 

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That's a great. 
Point. 

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Yeah, that might be I almost. 
Don't want to say this because I

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don't want to spin it too 
negatively, but there might have

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been an amount of selfishness. 
Egg could have just revealed 

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himself at the moment and 
ordered those guards. 

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Hey, stand back, let her set her
free. 

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I it may or may not have worked,
but he would have had to give up

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his secret life. 
You know what I mean? 

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To do that, I agree. 
With that, a lot of that, I 

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think that Egg has enough fear 
of Aryan that he he can't trust.

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He doesn't feel like he can even
trust the royal guard right 

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there. 
Whether that's that's logical or

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anything. 
I think it shows how he is very 

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fearful of Aryan. 
Yeah, I don't think. 

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He wanted to challenge Aryan 
without someone to back him up. 

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Quite possibly, but that's a 
good point because he did like 

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order them to stop, but only 
when Dunk was there. 

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Yeah, they ordered him to stop 
attacking Dunk right after Dunk 

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had already intervened. 
Yeah, when they were. 

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About to like when Aryan ordered
awful things to happen. 

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That's when Egg was like OK now 
I got to stop the them from 

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cutting his head off or 
whatever. 

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Taking out, taking all his teeth
out. 

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When Dunk was in trouble, then 
he no longer was worried about 

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his his his fun life. 
You know, I guess maybe his fun 

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life was over. 
Anyway, if Dunk gets killed, so 

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guilty. 
Guilty. 

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Undertaker also points out, 
strictly speaking, Aryan 

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outranks egg. 
Yeah, there. 

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Is that? 
Yeah, yeah. 

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Absolutely. 
Good point. 

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I'm sure some of those guards, 
on some level, they're aware of 

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the same thing. 
Who? 

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Who was it? 
Someone told? 

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I can't remember the 
conversation. 

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It was in A Game of Thrones. 
I think they're like, look, if 

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Joffrey says go get his horse, 
go get his horse, Joffrey says 

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kill all the horses in the 
stable, come talk to me first, 

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you know, because he's not. 16 
yet he's not able to. 

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Yeah, they're allowed to 
overrule even the king because 

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he hasn't reached his age and 
majority. 

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That's what Tyrion's point was 
there. 

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And the King's guard in question
is like, well, but I can't say 

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no to the king. 
It's like, yeah, you can. 

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Yeah, it's. 
Literally the law you can in 

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certain circumstances. 
So but of course there's more to

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it. 
Like you don't want to piss off 

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a king who's going to be able to
do whatever he wants when he's 

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16. 
So there's they're thinking 

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ahead. 
But anyway, we're we're getting 

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ahead of ourselves. 
Good thing Aryan was never king 

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because that's exactly the kind 
of thing that would happen. 

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So it's interesting a, a 
particularly strong thing is 

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here, Dunk continues to think 
about justice and and blame and 

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things like that, but he at no 
point seems to worry about 

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himself. 
He doesn't really worry about 

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the consequences until they're 
brooch, like, until Baylor's 

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like, yeah, you might lose your 
hand, maybe your foot. 

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He doesn't. 
Really think about the 

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consequences for himself. 
He's still even in jail thinking

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about other people. 
He's like, damn, I might have 

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gotten in. 
Tanzel in Bigger Trouble, and 

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that is a really big sign of the
kind of person he is in his own 

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internal monologue. 
He's still not thinking about 

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himself. 
That's the kind of thing that 

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POV structure gives you that you
can't get from a narrator. 

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You can't be certain that this 
character is actually thinking 

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these things, right? 
You can't be sure that it's 

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honest if it's coming from 
dialogue. 

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But when you have your their 
internal monologue, you know 

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it's real as much as it ever can
be. 

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You know, they could be lying to
themselves. 

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There's unreliable self 
narration, I suppose, but it's 

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as close to the truth as we can 
ever get, I think. 

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And I think that's something 
that's worth focusing on at 

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times like this when it really 
speaks to their character that 

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that we're getting at. 
We've mentioned it a few times, 

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but Dunk also thinks about the 
horses at that moment, right 

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even. 
The lesser beings, quote UN 

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quote lesser. 
I mean, I think it's fair to 

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call horses lesser beings. 
But you know, he's thinking 

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about the suffering of anything,
any anyone that means anything 

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to him. 
And that's it takes a big heart 

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to do that. 
So he's wondering whether this 

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is. 
What's going to? 

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Happen to them. 
But he still doesn't regret 

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doing it. 
He doesn't regret, Oh, I 

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shouldn't have done that. 
I shouldn't have stepped in it. 

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It doesn't even seem to cross 
his mind, which just reminds US 

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of of Brienne again, just to 
someone who does the right 

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thing, consequences don't even. 
It's not that they weigh the 

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consequences and decide it's 
better to do the right thing. 

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It's they don't even. 
They just do the right thing. 

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It's just a snap decision. 
There's no. 

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Weighing. 
It's just instantly acting. 

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It's. 
Almost the same instinct you 

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might have to, like, pull your 
hand away from a hot stove. 

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You don't think, well, if I keep
my hand here, it'll be burned, 

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You know, you just instantly do 
it. 

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Yeah, it's like this. 
Is wrong. 

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I must do something and when 
you're dunk, I guess you maybe 

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have a little more freedom to 
interfere or to feel like you 

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can do something 'cause you're 
a, a large person, you know, 

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like that's what it probably 
like. 

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If egg was the size of dunk, he 
may not have run off to get 

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dunk. 
He might have been like, look, 

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I'm almost 7 feet tall so I can 
do this. 

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You would have just tackled. 
It yeah, like. 

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Aryan probably wouldn't have 
picked on him so much if he was 

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7 feet tall. 
But anyway, yeah. 

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So he still doesn't think of it 
as a a mistake. 

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Even when Baylor states the 
obvious and says, you know, it's

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never a wise idea to strike a 
King's grandson, he still 

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doesn't really. 
Yeah, I shouldn't have done 

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that. 
No, he's still like, Nope, right

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Is Trump's might, etcetera. 
That always comes first. 

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And I, I love that. 
So here's another really 

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interesting quote for us to to 
play with for a minute. 

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Hedge Knight is the. 
Truest kind of knight, Dunk, the

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old man had told him a long, 
long time ago. 

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Other Knights serve the Lords 
who keep them, or from whom they

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hold their lands. 
But we serve where we will. 

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For men whose causes we believe 
in every night swears to protect

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the weak and innocent. 
We keep the vow best. 

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I think queer how strong that 
memory seemed That could quite 

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forgotten those words. 
And perhaps the old man had as 

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well toward the end. 
Yeah, let's start with that. 

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What does that last line mean 
there? 

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That's very peculiar, very 
mysterious. 

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Like what was Arlen slipping in 
his no in his honor? 

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Yeah, there's kind of. 22 parts 
to this quote to think about 

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what 1 is the idea of a hedge 
night at least potentially 

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having better ability to be a a 
true knight. 

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They're less beholden to the 
will of some Lord than they are 

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to their vows to protect the 
innocent. 

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You know, I think we've even 
mentioned this before. 

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If some if Joffrey tell us some 
knight to go kill a cat or 

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whatever, the knight just does 
it. 

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But I'd normally at a hedge 
knight, like I'm not killing a 

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cat, you know, that's pretty 
much what happens. 

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With Micah, right? 
You know, yeah. 

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I feel like. 
Part of here is that Arlen would

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have now been at the stage where
he just wouldn't. 

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He wouldn't help a cat. 
OK? 

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Dunk feels that you should help 
the cat, whereas A Kingsguard 

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feels like if someone tells you 
to kill the cat, you kill the 

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cat. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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So yeah, that, that's the other 
thing here is the fact that Dunk

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One had almost forgotten the 
words himself, but wonders if 

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Arlen had two. 
It makes you wonder if toward 

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the end if Arlen, maybe his 
standards were slipping. 

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He was too old, you know, or he 
was too desperate or too 

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frustrated or becoming bitter. 
I don't want to be too negative,

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but something made Dunk think 
this. 

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So maybe Arlen serves some Lord,
that was kind of crappy. 

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I mean desperation. 
Is a good point like he's 

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getting older. 
He's not going to have as much 

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value to a lot of Lords that 
like the job of like if he's 

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supposed to protect people like 
is he even capable of doing 

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that? 
You know, it's, it's a very 

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anxious lifestyle, not having 
like any means of retirement. 

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I mean, it's sort of like you're
just expect to die in the line 

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of duty, I guess. 
But yeah, that's, that's tough 

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to think about and it's tough to
to reckon with if you try to put

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yourself in their place. 
Dunk is nowhere near that spot 

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himself. 
He's young and and and healthy. 

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So he made, he may lack that 
perspective at this point. 

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He may, that may be part of why 
he doesn't understand it, but 

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also he's just young and not 
very worldly in the 1st place. 

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So but like along the lines of 
what you're saying, the hedge 

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nights are also among the common
folk more often just the people 

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you have more conversations 
with. 

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They're not sitting in the high 
halls and having their dinners 

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with the fancy people. 
Dunk is constantly among people 

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of a similar socioeconomic 
status, so he's more aware of 

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what their day-to-day struggles 
are. 

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So that's a great. 
Point of something to back up 

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what Arlen is saying there, that
they may keep those vows best 

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because perhaps they're more 
associated with those troubles 

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they see. 
They're confronted with these 

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issues that the true Knights are
supposed to be solving. 

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Sitting in a castle can give you
some detachment from a lot of 

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these issues and that gets into 
this very important under the 

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radar or not under the radar. 
It actually comes front and 

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center here towards the end. 
Baylor's loaded question, but 

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very poignant question of how 
you know, So I ask you again, 

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Sir Duncan atall, how good a 
knight are you truly? 

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So there's good Knights and 
there's good Knights. 

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And in this case, Baylor's 
asking how good are you in 

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quotes, meaning like, how good 
are you at fighting? 

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Because ultimately that is, I 
mean, that's what we just 

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touched on. 
If Arlen isn't capable of 

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fighting anymore, then is he 
really even a hedge knight? 

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And then that it gets into the 
desperation angles and all that.

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So how does this line resonate 
with you, Sean? 

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It seems pretty important, 
doesn't it? 

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00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,840
Yeah. 
And I I also think in AI don't 

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know in a sort of an abstract 
way he might mean how good as in

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how. 
Upright. 

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00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:44,040
Or moral or whatever are you? 
If you consider a couple things,

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one, if Baylor really does have 
faith in a gods, like if you're 

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really a good knight dunk, you 
know, then the gods will be on 

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your side for this this trial by
combat. 

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Are you really a good knight? 
And also maybe I, I don't think 

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it's come yet to the trial of 
Seven, but on some level, if 

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you're really a good knight, 
will you be able to get other 

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swords to come to your side? 
You know, I don't think he could

446
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,120
have meant that here because 
that's not happening yet, but 

447
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you could see how it could also 
be a factor. 

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And yes, Dunk is on both counts,
Yeah. 

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He maybe hasn't proved. 
It to himself yet. 

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I mean, he hasn't gotten into a 
fight to the death yet. 

451
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,120
He certainly is about to and it 
works out. 

452
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,920
Yeah, I mean, he isn't. 
Skilled. 

453
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,760
He isn't a particularly skilled 
knight, but he just has such raw

454
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,200
talent that it's hard to beat 
him. 

455
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,040
Yeah, like if you're. 
Baylor and you look at him, 

456
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,280
you're like. 
I bet he could be. 

457
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:38,800
Good. 
If he's untrained, he might not 

458
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,120
be very good, but you could see 
that it's just like he might be 

459
00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:43,560
really good because you see that
strength and size. 

460
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:49,040
You're like, well, I definitely 
wouldn't just wave him away now,

461
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:49,800
Arlen. 
Yeah. 

462
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:53,600
Like some older guy and his, you
know, that doesn't look very 

463
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,920
physically imposing. 
You might not be so intimidated 

464
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,960
by that, but this is this is. 
You can't just sneeze. 

465
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:03,040
It's A7 footer, right? 
So and. 

466
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,320
This is something that goes back
to the absolute beginning of A 

467
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,240
Game of Thrones. 
If you're good at killing, you 

468
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,920
can get away with a lot. 
I mean, talk about being ordered

469
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,600
to kill a cat. 
I brought up briefly the the 

470
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,440
question of Micah, right? 
The butcher's boy Sandor 

471
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,960
basically ordered to kill him 
and does it mostly 

472
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:22,680
unquestioningly. 
But then later, of course, we 

473
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,840
find out Sandor's somewhat 
bitter over the whole thing. 

474
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:28,720
Maybe not specifically over 
Micah. 

475
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,840
He kind of doesn't talk about 
that too much. 

476
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,960
But you don't get the you don't 
get the feeling that he liked 

477
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,640
it, even though he has this 
bravado about it 'cause he he 

478
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,400
comes back with all this stuff 
about how Knights are good at 

479
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:40,840
killing. 
That's what makes a knight. 

480
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,800
That's what makes a knight. 
He's insisting on it. 

481
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,280
He thinks the rest is all 
nonsense. 

482
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,280
The rest is bull. 
And if you if you're good at 

483
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:48,760
killing, that's all that 
matters. 

484
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,520
That's the look at who how his 
brother has advanced so high. 

485
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,360
His brother's the absolute worst
at nightly ideals, but because 

486
00:23:55,360 --> 00:23:56,840
he's good at killing, he's at 
the top. 

487
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,080
And so to to Sandor that proves 
everything. 

488
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:00,840
You're like, well, this is you 
can see. 

489
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,320
Part of that, too. 
Is not just your physical 

490
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,240
fighting ability, which is a big
factor, but your willingness to 

491
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,240
do it. 
I, I mentioned that before about

492
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,480
the idea of who wins a fight is 
a person who realizes it's 

493
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,960
really a fight first. 
And especially in a lot of these

494
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,800
scenarios, sometimes the fight 
doesn't happen if you know the 

495
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,720
other, if you know that this 
person will kill a little kid, 

496
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,200
they're definitely willing to 
kill you. 

497
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,320
Like maybe they won't be able 
to, but they're going to 

498
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:27,560
freaking try. 
They're not going to. 

499
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,720
I think about that scene and I'm
forgiven when Clint Eastwood 

500
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,400
says, yeah, I'm all money. 
I've killed women and children 

501
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,480
and anything that walks and 
crawls, and now I'm here to kill

502
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,520
you, you know? 
And that's something. 

503
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,720
That's a really interesting 
debate amongst the Kingsguard. 

504
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,880
Like what type of knight is 
right for the Kingsguard? 

505
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,560
Is it someone who's the best 
fighter or is it someone who's 

506
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,520
the most loyal? 
Or is it some combination of the

507
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,040
two? 
And that that's a fantastic 

508
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,400
conversation that comes up 
between Griff and Young Griff, 

509
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,120
which is Griff is not happy that
Duck is being added to the 

510
00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:00,800
Kingsguard because he doesn't 
think he's a good enough 

511
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,160
fighter. 
But young Aegon, I think I kind 

512
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:04,680
of agree with young Aegon. 
It's like, yeah, but he'll give 

513
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,400
his life for me. 
I think you need a. 

514
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,160
Mix. 
I think you need a good mix. 

515
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:10,200
Yeah, I agree. 
I think you. 

516
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:11,640
Need a good mix. 
If they're just good fighters 

517
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,200
but you can't count on them, 
then what good is that? 

518
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,000
Right? 
But if they will throw their 

519
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,120
life away to give you a few 
minutes to escape, well, that 

520
00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:23,080
might be worth more than a 
skilled sword and I. 

521
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,440
Think that you should throw in 
someone who is just plain 

522
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,640
honorable, just plain a good 
night in the sense a true night 

523
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,880
to, you know, help keep the 
other Knights a little honest. 

524
00:25:34,120 --> 00:25:36,040
Yeah, you. 
Don't want them to all turn into

525
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,720
You'd like the culture of the 
Kingsguard to be? 

526
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,160
Yeah, yeah. 
Like that can be. 

527
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:41,680
A thing I mean. 
This is all. 

528
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,520
Nice to 1, but it's hard to find
someone that fits all this. 

529
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,320
Even if you find someone with 
all these things also, they have

530
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,360
to give up their inheritance. 
Yeah, it's a very. 

531
00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:53,760
Political thing, there's tons of
families that want their kid to 

532
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,840
be in the Kingsguard, so you're 
kind of slighting them if their 

533
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,320
kid is is good. 
Almost. 

534
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,920
Good enough and and the whole. 
Thing is, the Kingsguard are 

535
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,560
like believed to be the finest 
Knights in the realm, but what 

536
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,160
makes the finest knight is what 
we're here discussing. 

537
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,960
And clearly there is no 
straightforward basis for that. 

538
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,920
There is no universally agreed 
upon definition for what makes 

539
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,280
the best night. 
If you ask Sandor, well, we just

540
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,000
explained that if you ask 
Brienne, she would not agree 

541
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,760
with Sandor. 
She would include the fighting 

542
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,840
prowess, of course, because that
is part of it. 

543
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,920
You have to have the ability to 
protect the people you want to 

544
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,000
protect. 
But her, her definition would be

545
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,640
more nuanced. 
For example, even though she's 

546
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,360
been through so much, you could.
Even think about like even if 

547
00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:39,160
you try to ignore political 
aspects or chivalrous aspects, 

548
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,440
one might knight might be really
good at jousting, but not that 

549
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,920
good at swordplay one vice 
versa, which is better? 

550
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,040
What's more important? 
And even if you ignore all the 

551
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,600
fighting abilities, think about 
just discretion. 

552
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,600
Think about just like keeping 
quiet about things you hear in 

553
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,480
corridor what you know is going 
on in a a treaty or an alliance 

554
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,440
or a breaking of one or 
etcetera, etcetera. 

555
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,800
You know some of that. 
I agree with you discretion and 

556
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,080
I wasn't thinking about that 
exactly, but some of that is 

557
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,960
covered under loyalty. 
But you. 

558
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,880
Still have to, even if you, I 
think how it says you could be 

559
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,640
very loyal. 
You can be a great fighter and 

560
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,000
be very loyal and very 
honorable, but not very wise. 

561
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,440
You could just be, you could 
just make mistakes. 

562
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,640
You could just be incompetent or
or or. 

563
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,000
Yeah, you could not. 
Realize yeah, you could not. 

564
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,840
Realize. 
That something is is how 

565
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,240
important it is a perfect. 
Example. 

566
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,360
Of that comes in Aryan 2 and 
she's with these lesser members 

567
00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:36,680
of the Golden Company and when 
she's trying to get information 

568
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,520
out of them and one of them is 
chatty and she gets I think 

569
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,040
Chains is chatty and she gets 
some information out of him. 

570
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,800
And then it's contrasted by when
she meets Lysona Marr and she's 

571
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,720
like, OK, this is the guy who 
knows how to keep quiet. 

572
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,960
This is the guy who knows who 
knows how to talk without saying

573
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,360
anything. 
This is a guy who's not going to

574
00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:53,840
give any away any any 
information by accident. 

575
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:58,240
So you really that that contrast
is really brought out, drawn out

576
00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:59,840
on the page there. 
And I think that's that's 

577
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:01,880
exactly what you're talking 
about here. 

578
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,520
Darren the dreamer. 
We skipped over him before to 

579
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:07,840
try to talk about him all at 
once. 

580
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,560
I see him as sort of a 
combination of Tyrion and 

581
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,480
Rhaegar and his dragon dreams 
are more frequent and intense 

582
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,080
than what we've seen from just 
about anyone. 

583
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:16,800
It's. 
Not as if there's a. 

584
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,720
Lot of examples of dragon 
dreamers. 

585
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,320
Certainly there's plenty, but 
you you're generally looking at 

586
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,320
that from a. 
Throughout history, there's. 

587
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,000
Plenty. 
There's not like a lot of them 

588
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,600
around at any given time. 
And the most famous is probably 

589
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,080
Danny's the Dreamer. 
But we don't really know 

590
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,160
anything about her personality. 
For maybe she was also a heavy 

591
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,360
drinker, you know, somebody that
was tormented by the intensity 

592
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,280
of these dreams, but she wrote 
them down or maybe dictated them

593
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,400
or something. 
So she certainly seemed to have 

594
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,480
a little more of a handle on 
what was going on. 

595
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,280
Maybe it was more of an outlet 
for her, but also very more 

596
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,240
importantly, much more 
importantly, her dreams were 

597
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,640
taken seriously. 
They listened to her. 

598
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,960
They left Valyria because of her
dreams. 

599
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,400
They she foresaw the doom. 
So that's a pretty big 

600
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:03,760
difference. 
What I mean is that you're 

601
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,480
validated. 
This poor Deron guy, He has 

602
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,160
dreams that come true. 
No one seems to care and there's

603
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,080
there's no there's no like 
makars like well, what do you 

604
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:13,520
think is going to happen next, 
son? 

605
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,720
No, this is like a this is a 
burden on him. 

606
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,400
I. 
Wonder how much Valyria 

607
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:26,680
surprised it understood it One. 
And if they did, why did no one 

608
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,120
else listen to Danis? 
Or did they not? 

609
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,720
Or did the Targaryens keep this 
quiet? 

610
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:34,120
Yeah. 
It's a. 

611
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,720
Great question. 
And I suspect that they didn't 

612
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,320
put a lot of stock into it 
because otherwise, how come none

613
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,240
of the other families got out of
there on, you know, they, yeah, 

614
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,640
Targaryens for leaving. 
So it seems like this was an 

615
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,680
exception rather than a normal, 
or it wasn't. 

616
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,960
I I have to wonder, is it 
possible that not all Valyrian 

617
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,000
families even have similar 
abilities? 

618
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,640
It's. 
Yeah, I would guess that's very 

619
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,600
likely as a possibility. 
It seems like if all the dragon 

620
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,760
Lord families had dragon dreams.
I don't know, it seems like a 

621
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,840
lot. 
I mean, yeah, if all. 

622
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,840
The Dragon Lord families had 
dragon dreams. 

623
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,520
They would put more stock into 
it. 

624
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:10,560
Yeah. 
And and. 

625
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,640
You wouldn't only have had one 
family stay and put, I think. 

626
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:14,680
I think more families would have
left. 

627
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,440
So I think it it's 
circumstantial, but I think it's

628
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,680
pretty strong circumstantial 
evidence that this was an 

629
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,000
exception we. 
Also, just don't have. 

630
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,840
A lot of other examples of the 
dreams being taken seriously by 

631
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,880
too many people through other 
dreamers like Damon the second. 

632
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,400
This is setting up the third 
story. 

633
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,200
This Daron's dreams like blood 
Ravens going to flat out say 

634
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,200
well some Targaryens have dragon
dreams so why not a few black 

635
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:37,840
fires? 
They have the same bloodlines. 

636
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,480
That makes sense right? 
But did anyone support Damon the

637
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,240
second when he came over? 
Only the people in Westeros his 

638
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,080
the rest of the Black Fires 
didn't support this dreamer guy,

639
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,840
and Bitter Steel didn't support 
him. 

640
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:56,680
So the long term seems to 
indicate that most of the time 

641
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:01,880
these dreams are not listened to
by the people around these 

642
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,920
dreamers, even when they're a 
royal. 

643
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,160
So this is a little unusual. 
You've got this guy who's rich 

644
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,920
and powerful, but still this is 
still a handicap of some kinds, 

645
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,080
viewed as a negative. 
So it's kind of unusual to be 

646
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,640
fair there. 
Are other factors, like he is 

647
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,680
also questionable honor and he's
alcoholic, so it might be a 

648
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,320
little easier for them to blow 
him off. 

649
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,960
If Baylor was having these 
dreams, he might have taken more

650
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,200
serious. 
Yeah, that's true. 

651
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,920
That's true. 
Potentially it just, I guess I 

652
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,160
just what I'm getting at is it 
doesn't seem like they've ever 

653
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,800
throughout the centuries ever 
tried to make it part of their 

654
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,320
identity. 
You'd think that maybe it's one 

655
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,960
of these dreamers or two of 
these dreamers, or some of them 

656
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,040
wouldn't be a, you know, someone
who is a dishonorable. 

657
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,240
Yeah, it makes you wonder. 
Maybe what the cause and effect 

658
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,200
is. 
Yeah, like. 

659
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,440
I think and maybe makes you. 
Wonder if it's the gods playing 

660
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,000
their games. 
Like, we'll give you the 

661
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,360
alcoholic, you get the special 
ability. 

662
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,760
Yeah, no one will believe you. 
Well, that is this. 

663
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:02,560
Will create some. 
Irony. 

664
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,240
That's a really good point 
because. 

665
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:09,040
That is what we're told about 
the gifts of the old Gods, 

666
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,800
right? 
It's it's generally quote UN 

667
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,320
quote given to those who have 
some sort of physical ailment or

668
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,600
some sort of already existing 
condition. 

669
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,680
So hey, you're not like it's 
almost seems like a random 

670
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:21,960
connection to be made in a 
vacuum. 

671
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,360
But when you line it up, like 
with the old God stuff, it, it 

672
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,200
fits quite well. 
And that's something we're very 

673
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,960
used to seeing. 
Something that's true about the 

674
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,120
old Gods thematically also line 
up on the, you know, the fire 

675
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,600
and ice things line up a lot of 
times, I guess, is what I'm 

676
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,440
saying. 
But it's. 

677
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,080
You're right too, Sean, that 
there's more to it than just 

678
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,040
this, though. 
For example, the Seven Kingdoms 

679
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,920
are overwhelmingly devout 
towards the faith or worshippers

680
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,360
of the faith. 
So if you have the royal family,

681
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,880
like listening to dragon dreams,
yeah, they're not going to. 

682
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,200
They're not going to be cool 
with that. 

683
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,440
There's definitely some societal
reason to keep that on the down 

684
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,800
low. 
The other thing I want to. 

685
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,720
Get at here is it just doesn't 
seem like it's very good for 

686
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,440
your mental health to be able to
see the future randomly. 

687
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,720
Like sleep. 
Would sleep really be Restful if

688
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,080
you're having this happen all 
the time? 

689
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,600
Constantly seeing the. 
Future but not knowing how to 

690
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,160
interpret it like he sees Dunk 
and he's like oh God, I've seen 

691
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,920
you in my dreams and he doesn't 
know exactly what's going to 

692
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,520
happen but something terrible. 
What do you do? 

693
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,600
You just like get away from me, 
I mean. 

694
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,200
You can have non prophetic 
dreams and your dreams will 

695
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:31,560
cause you to not have good sleep
and haunt you and be exhausted. 

696
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,800
That's what I'm saying. 
When they're real, it must be 

697
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,360
just all the more worse. 
Yeah. 

698
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:40,320
So it's it's hard to fathom just
how bad that would be. 

699
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,960
I mean, it's enough to. 
Drive you to drink? 

700
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:43,560
Maybe. 
Yeah. 

701
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,360
And. 
Here's another aspect we're 

702
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,240
really getting into sympathy for
the dare on here. 

703
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,320
If he's seeing the future 
regularly, he sees done well. 

704
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,520
I mean well, he is seeing the 
future regularly. 

705
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,640
He sees this calamity coming 
from Dunk. 

706
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,920
Well, think about this. 
What's coming in six months? 

707
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,960
The great Spring Sickness is 
coming in six months. 

708
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,360
Then there's another rebellion 
coming in a few years. 

709
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,360
There's all sorts of Targaryens 
are going to die. 

710
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,760
Is he seeing this stuff now? 
Is he dreaming about it now? 

711
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,480
Is he already seeing his 
father's death? 

712
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,920
Is he seeing his own death? 
Is he seeing like, how far in 

713
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,040
advance did we did these dreams 
happen? 

714
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:24,719
Like Danny saw the Doom 12 years
ahead. 

715
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,360
At least they moved 12 years 
ahead. 

716
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,400
At least she had the dreams 
before that, right? 

717
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:30,679
They didn't just wake up the 
next days. 

718
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:31,800
Like, I had a dream about the 
doom. 

719
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,800
OK, pack up now. 
No, it's probably a process. 

720
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,440
Like, OK, I had that dream 
again. 

721
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,760
You know, they probably finally 
believed it. 

722
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,000
So quite possibly he's dreaming 
of the death of his family, the 

723
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,880
great spring sickness, more 
rebellions. 

724
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,400
And think about this, he winds 
up marrying Valar's wife, Valar,

725
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,120
the same kid we see at the end 
here. 

726
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,040
Valar's named Hand after his 
father's death. 

727
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:55,239
But of course, he's only Hand 
for a few months because of the 

728
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,600
sickness gets him. 
So he marries his cousin's wife.

729
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,960
What about when he met her for 
the first time? 

730
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,160
Did he have some sort of 
premonition? 

731
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,560
Is he dreaming of her? 
Like, whoa, I'm going to, I'm 

732
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,200
going to marry her someday, and 
that means I know my cousin's 

733
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,840
going to die like. 
Like it's. 

734
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,560
It just blows your mind. 
And none of it's good, right? 

735
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,800
Yeah. 
I don't know how you would. 

736
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:20,040
Deal with this burden like it it
it's pretty constantly shown in 

737
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,320
media and fiction and and 
fantasy that the ability to see 

738
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,680
the future is not a good thing. 
You know, I've seen people 

739
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,520
speculate on like, what POV do 
you wish you could have had from

740
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,920
Song of Ice and Firewood? 
Or Darren's might have been a 

741
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,240
good one. 
It would be hard to. 

742
00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:36,960
Write. 
But yeah, it would be very 

743
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,160
interesting. 
Yeah. 

744
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,360
George would have to make these 
decisions on which visions to 

745
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,600
put in there and how to portray 
them in a dream state. 

746
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,640
Yeah, but had the way. 
Can I say we got a good thing in

747
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,280
the chat about Danny's? 
Yeah. 

748
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,520
From a child of Valyria. 
Well, as she would. 

749
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,960
Know I can't. 
Imagine where I can't imagine 

750
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,840
moving out on a dream of my 
neighbor's maiden daughter. 

751
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:02,360
Like how many? 
Things did she? 

752
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,920
Prove she could foresee before 
they're like OK, well she 

753
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,280
foresaw that that that that that
that and that so. 

754
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,920
Yeah. 
We better, we better listen. 

755
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,840
But you'd think that maybe Daron
could offer that sort of proof 

756
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,920
too. 
But it's just, it seems the 

757
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,880
dreams are too vague for him to 
to know. 

758
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,360
It almost seems like if you're 
going to have these visions, 

759
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,720
they should be more clear. 
Or it's just tormenting to only 

760
00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:30,600
see like a glimmer, like a brief
glimpse behind the curtain. 

761
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,560
It may also be that a lot of 
times he pieces together what 

762
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,640
the dream was after the event 
happened. 

763
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,320
And so if he tries to tell 
people they're like, yeah, sure,

764
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,400
if he had told them ahead of 
time, they might have been like,

765
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,640
hey, wait a minute. 
But he might not piece it 

766
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,120
together until after the fact. 
So it keep people from really 

767
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,960
putting too much stock in it. 
This might be the first time 

768
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,160
he's piercing it together ahead 
of time. 

769
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:53,720
Yeah. 
I wonder. 

770
00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:58,200
If after this he'll he will put 
more stock into it and be a 

771
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,680
little pushier with bringing it 
up to someone and maybe still 

772
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,400
get brushed away, you know what 
I mean? 

773
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,880
That's a good point. 
Yeah, You wonder if he ever like

774
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,640
I I wonder if he's talked to his
brother about it much Amon 

775
00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:12,400
because Amon's now off and gone.
Like they Amon was gone at a 

776
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,840
young age. 
You think that their 

777
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,720
relationship could have been at 
their didn't really have a 

778
00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:22,040
chance to get going in a way 
that would have maybe given dare

779
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,480
on some relief from all this, 
some understanding cause. 

780
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,880
Eamon later will. 
Express on his own death pad 

781
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,040
that you know, all my brothers 
dreamed of Dragons and it, you 

782
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:32,520
know, it tormented them all or 
whatever. 

783
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,240
And, and this is he, he means 
that in a variety of ways, but 

784
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:38,320
of course this is the most 
literal of that. 

785
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,640
You know, Egg's dreams of 
Dragons may have been also 

786
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,360
fantastical, but he he literally
tried to bring them back with 

787
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,880
the Summerhall incident. 
A couple more thoughts. 

788
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,800
One down the road. 
Dunk himself might give Aaron's 

789
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:54,680
dreams more validity. 
Yeah, since he knew that one 

790
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:55,680
time. 
Yeah, you're right. 

791
00:37:56,240 --> 00:38:02,080
Which also might make egg. 
Additionally, Aaron might at 

792
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,960
some point after having a dream,
try to do something to stop it. 

793
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,680
And it happened anyway. 
He might even felt like he 

794
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,520
caused it by trying to stop it. 
I can also see that and destiny 

795
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,080
versus decision is another theme
that George plays around with a 

796
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:16,400
lot. 
So I could see that being 

797
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,320
another reason why he stopped 
trying to tell people or stop it

798
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:20,680
or do something about it. 
He just. 

799
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,200
I just have to accept it. 
Wow. 

800
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,040
Yeah, that. 
Would might make it worse. 

801
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,880
Or make it feel more like I 
caused it rather than just I 

802
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,480
knew about it. 
That's a very good. 

803
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,880
Sad right there. 
I think you're onto something 

804
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,120
with that because that also 
really explains why he just acts

805
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,600
like he's helpless, like he's a,
he seems like a helpless person.

806
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:37,680
Like I, there's nothing I can 
do. 

807
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,200
I just drink and I'm like, even 
the way he expresses himself 

808
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,160
sarcastically, even his like 
that, he's like, well, I, I 

809
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,720
looked for my brother, but he 
wasn't in the bottom of of my 

810
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:48,560
cup, so I didn't find it like 
this is he didn't. 

811
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:49,920
He obviously isn't trying, 
right. 

812
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,080
And that's this is this is the 
guy who's given up on life. 

813
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,600
And that that's that really fits
well with someone who's just 

814
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,520
like, well, nothing matters. 
Anything I do just makes it 

815
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,760
worse. 
So yeah, for a man who's given 

816
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,560
up, I think that's a great 
theory as to maybe why. 

817
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:04,560
Yeah. 
I. 

818
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,120
Mean I could see how that would 
make you a bit of a nihilist 

819
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:12,920
just being like, yeah, fate and 
destiny are all I can't change 

820
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,960
anything in the world. 
It's all just going to happen, 

821
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,160
especially if you. 
Especially if he's seen his own 

822
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,000
death or something like that. 
I mean that would. 

823
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,360
Just make it even worse or, or 
like we said, like he's he sees 

824
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,400
this great series of deaths 
coming for his family and maybe 

825
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,120
he's amongst it. 
He can't tell it's it's bad. 

826
00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:32,440
And it's. 
It reminds. 

827
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,120
Us a bit of Rhaegar too, someone
who was very burdened by 

828
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,480
prophecy now and Rhaegar's 
another character we don't 

829
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:42,160
actually know very well. 
We've seen Deron on screen more 

830
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,360
than we've seen Rhaegar. 
So tells you something right 

831
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,640
there. 
But Rhaegar was fascinated by 

832
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,760
Summerhall, perhaps obsessed by 
it. 

833
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,400
There's maybe some supernatural 
element to that. 

834
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,360
He may have had dreams. 
He was certainly, certainly felt

835
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:57,760
this. 
He was melancholic. 

836
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,840
He didn't have a sense of humor.
Daron's sense of humor is very 

837
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,720
sarcastic. 
He does have a sense of humor, 

838
00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:06,360
but it's right. 
It's it's the self deprecating 

839
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,840
cynical type. 
And so that is a a strong peril.

840
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,680
That's why I said Tyrion and 
Rhaegar, like Rhaegar, the 

841
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:16,520
burden of prophecy, being 
highborn and you know, not being

842
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,800
capable of some of the things 
that the world needs from you. 

843
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,840
And then Tyrion is. 
Of course, that's a little more 

844
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,680
straightforward. 
The drinking, the the constantly

845
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,000
chasing sex workers, the 
disappointment to your father, 

846
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,280
the the hair that isn't quite 
the same color as the rest of 

847
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,040
your family, even just lots of 
little things like that. 

848
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,320
Of course, the sense of humor 
too, That's that's it's really 

849
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,560
does have a similar sense of 
humor to Tyrion, doesn't he? 

850
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,440
Yeah, I was going to say. 
You were being really rough on 

851
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,440
them, real mean, until you 
brought up the sense of humor. 

852
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,320
That one redeeming quality. 
Hey, I'm. 

853
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:50,840
Not the one who? 
Made the parallels. 

854
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:55,040
I'm just pointing to them. 
But yeah, I think it's 

855
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:59,880
important, like you to have this
ability, this burden of 

856
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:03,920
prophecy, you to handle that you
need a strong personality. 

857
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,960
And it just doesn't seem like 
maybe Deron just doesn't have it

858
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,080
now. 
Maybe I'm just not giving him 

859
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,000
enough credit. 
It's just that hard to handle. 

860
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,920
Rhaegar, maybe it's similar. 
Rhaegar seems like he's a little

861
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,880
stronger. 
He's able to handle this, this 

862
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,720
burden more, although it's 
didn't work out for him. 

863
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,440
So, Melisandre? 
Handles it all right. 

864
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,840
Yeah, Melisandre. 
See, that's a good example. 

865
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,640
Melisandre, someone who handles 
it pretty well, as far as like 

866
00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:27,400
the the burden of it. 
Maybe she isn't interpreting, 

867
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:28,640
She might not. 
Interpret as well. 

868
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,960
She might make mistakes, but 
yeah, she's not. 

869
00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:34,200
She hasn't turn to depression 
and alcohol, right? 

870
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:35,520
And she is very. 
Focused. 

871
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,800
She's like, Nope, save humanity,
right or wrong, there is nobody 

872
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,400
more focused on it than her. 
So you got to give her props for

873
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:42,960
that I think. 
And she may have. 

874
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:47,360
Gone more struggle in her youth 
to to gain independence, if you 

875
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,560
will, whereas Aaron's been 
cuddled cuddled, you know so I 

876
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,720
mean she. 
Also wanted these abilities, 

877
00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:57,680
they weren't thrust upon her. 
She had, you know, she's. 

878
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,760
Ambitious where Aaron doesn't 
seem to be. 

879
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:01,160
Yeah, well, I mean she was 
given. 

880
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,800
Away as a slave, as a child, I 
guess it's not entirely clear 

881
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,640
what she Yeah, I don't know how.
Much choice she had in learning 

882
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,680
to read fires or anything like 
that. 

883
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,880
I I have to think that you 
probably had. 

884
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:19,040
Choice. 
In what line of work you went 

885
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,800
into within the temple and what 
you were natural naturally 

886
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,840
talented at and she claims. 
To be one of the best at blame 

887
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,600
readings, Yeah. 
So I feel like that, you know? 

888
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,200
Maybe they just, like, they go 
through some tests and she just 

889
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,760
is naturally really good. 
So they're like, OK, you're 

890
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,880
going to be a priestess. 
Yeah. 

891
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,280
And it's a. 
Very similar concept to what 

892
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,240
we're just talking about with 
Knights. 

893
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:40,320
The the Knights who rise the 
highest are the ones who are the

894
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,640
best at fighting chivalry. 
That helps, other things matter,

895
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,680
but ultimately it's your skill 
that really carries the most 

896
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,080
weight and that would. 
Seem to be true. 

897
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,920
Here as well with the red 
priestesses and priests so as 

898
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,920
well as it is with these 
Princess and princelings and and

899
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,920
all the rest. 
Here's another quote. 

900
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,800
I do not need to be. 
Reminded of my son's failings. 

901
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,560
Brother. 
He has only 18 years. 

902
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,400
He can change. 
He will change. 

903
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,520
God's be damned or I swear I'll 
see him dead. 

904
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,240
We don't know. 
Exactly when? 

905
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:13,080
Yeah. 
We don't know. 

906
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:17,400
Exactly when Darren died, but it
was via STD, apparently, and he 

907
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,480
did die before his father. 
So we don't know whether it was 

908
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,240
a lot before his father or just 
a few years, but it was 

909
00:43:23,240 --> 00:43:25,440
definitely after his father was 
crowned. 

910
00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:29,320
But his father ruled for about 
12 years, and we're not sure 

911
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,200
when in that reign it happened. 
So it's pretty bad. 

912
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,040
Yeah. 
That's another thing we talked 

913
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,520
about. 
Nina brings it up here as well. 

914
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:41,240
Makar is very intimidating. 
Like we compare him to Stannis 

915
00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:43,080
and Stannis is pretty 
intimidating, but I think Makar 

916
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,200
is more intimidating. 
Like just picture him in that 

917
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:47,800
armor. 
The way his armor is described, 

918
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,640
it's like one of the most 
intimidating armor sets I've 

919
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,680
ever heard of, and it's just. 
Boosted. 

920
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,840
By the fact that you know who's 
wearing it and Makar is just so 

921
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:03,360
prickly and proud and and big 
intense, I mean. 

922
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,960
The a mock art where George, you
know, told mock how to draw him 

923
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,080
shows Makar. 
Is this this big buff like 

924
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,920
square jawed man of a king? 
Yeah, he's a. 

925
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,360
Tank. 
Yeah, Tank. 

926
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,200
Is the right word. 
Yeah, so. 

927
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:23,360
Even like even Arion is pretty 
mild and behaving around when 

928
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,160
his father's around. 
So it kind of gives you a sense 

929
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:30,240
of even Aryan is intimidated by 
by Daddy Makar here. 

930
00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:35,080
So that's where you wonder. 
We don't have a comparison for 

931
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,120
Stannis there because Stannis 
doesn't have a son. 

932
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:41,240
Stannis, the way he treats 
Shereen is more like a dutiful, 

933
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,800
you know, he doesn't have a lot 
of he doesn't really have warmth

934
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,320
towards hardly anyone really, 
but you. 

935
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:47,880
Got a sense that if. 
Stannis had a son. 

936
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,000
He'd be real hard on him, don't 
you think? 

937
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:51,920
Yeah. 
He'd be like, no, you got. 

938
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,280
To live up to this and that and 
this. 

939
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,160
And Stannis doesn't understand 
weakness. 

940
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,280
Like he he wouldn't understand 
it coming from a child of his 

941
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,520
body even less. 
I would, I would think he would 

942
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:04,200
be even less understanding or, 
or nuanced about it. 

943
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,360
So that's something to think 
about. 

944
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,040
What would it be like to have 
the burden of a guy like that as

945
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:14,400
your dad while also having these
dreams and this intent to like, 

946
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,400
I just can't fathom. 
I'm like, I, I it's hard to feel

947
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,600
sorry for a guy with his much 
privilege, but I do feel pretty 

948
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,280
sorry for Darren giving all this
other stuff he could have made 

949
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,240
more of his life, but maybe not 
his mental health is just that. 

950
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,720
Can't make that assumption. 
I I don't know what it's like to

951
00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:31,840
have dreams like that. 
You should. 

952
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:37,160
Try it and then. 
Yeah, we're going to stick. 

953
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,720
A Lance in you because you said 
you. 

954
00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:41,800
You said you couldn't relate to 
that either. 

955
00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:45,440
Wow, if you dream. 
About having a Lance stuck in 

956
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,200
your Aziz, I don't know. 
You better have a drink. 

957
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,560
So of course this. 
Proceeds now to the recruiting 

958
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,280
of of members for his his group 
of seven. 

959
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,480
This is pretty neat. 
It's not a common thing. 

960
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,320
A little more on this later, but
the Laughing Storm says this is 

961
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:05,880
the first trial of seven in a 
century. 

962
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,600
He says, I suspect it's going to
become a famous event or he 

963
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,640
suspects it will be because of 
that, which is probably part of 

964
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,520
why he wants to be involved, 
because he wants to be, you 

965
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,200
know, it's a good way to be in 
the history books. 

966
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,680
And these, these these nobles 
are always thinking about things

967
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,240
like that. 
Fame is part of their parlance 

968
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:24,840
of what they're looking for. 
So there's there's a little more

969
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,480
irony here with Stefan Fosseway,
wasn't there, Sean? 

970
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:32,080
Yeah. 
He had told he had told Dunk I. 

971
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,440
I think I've got the quote here.
You have one false away, at 

972
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:40,920
least the right one. 
Not so much in the end. 

973
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,560
Maybe he did have the right one.
Yeah, he did. 

974
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,040
He got the right one. 
The wrong was on the other side.

975
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,840
Yeah, it was nice to hear that. 
It seemed like Raymond came out 

976
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,840
ahead and they're fighting, too.
He's like, I think I broke some 

977
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,720
of his ribs. 
And Raymond himself seemed 

978
00:46:53,720 --> 00:46:54,440
unhurt. 
So. 

979
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,960
All right, He may have been the 
better knight in both ways, 

980
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,040
right? 
The better fighter and the 

981
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,600
honourable guy win 1 for the 
good guys there. 

982
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,640
So I really wonder, this is a 
big, big question for me, what 

983
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,000
drives Baylor to do this? 
Like he knows it's risky. 

984
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:12,480
He. 
Knows it's. 

985
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,160
Justified he knows the dunk is 
like he's at least he's 

986
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,000
convinced himself based on 
talking to dunk. 

987
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,680
Still this. 
I mean I don't think he has like

988
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,240
I'm not suggesting an ulterior 
motive. 

989
00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:24,960
I don't think he's like trying 
to like get his brother in a 

990
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,760
position where he can kill him 
or something like nothing like 

991
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,000
that. 
Not even that's not even 

992
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,520
remotely a possibility in my 
mind. 

993
00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:31,960
But what is What Does he have an
angle? 

994
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,520
Is he trying to like think ahead
to being king and try to set an 

995
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:38,000
example? 
Is he trying to like get more 

996
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:42,200
Knights to be like him and be 
more chivalrous by loudly 

997
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:46,400
standing up for someone who 
can't stand up for themselves? 

998
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,480
How do you interpret this? 
It's really interesting. 

999
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,000
I've real. 
Quick, I have one. 

1000
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,920
Question to add on to that 
before Sean answers, is there 

1001
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,120
any chance that he wanted? 
I mean, I think it's a bunch of 

1002
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:58,160
those reasons. 
To be clear. 

1003
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,240
I don't think it's just one 
reason, but is there any chance?

1004
00:48:01,240 --> 00:48:05,040
Part of those reasons was that 
Daron was in the fight and had 

1005
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,920
to fight, and Baylor didn't 
really want him killed. 

1006
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:12,480
And he felt that Aryan might 
actually be happy if Daron was 

1007
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,120
killed. 
Rather than. 

1008
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,240
Trying to kill a brother. 
He was trying to mitigate the 

1009
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:20,560
chances of a brother being 
killed. 

1010
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:23,360
Putting. 
The danger? 

1011
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:24,880
Taking on some of the danger 
himself. 

1012
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,000
Yeah. 
I think that's that's an 

1013
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,240
interesting idea for sure. 
That could be. 

1014
00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:28,840
I could have been in his mind. 
What do you think, Sean? 

1015
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,920
Again. 
It's, it's, there's so many 

1016
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,640
reasons I, I got to believe, 
especially the little bit we 

1017
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,440
know about Baylor, which is 
almost all positive. 

1018
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,200
He seems to just be perfect in 
every way, right? 

1019
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:46,680
And you got to imagine he was up
all night plotting all the 

1020
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:51,000
pieces of this together. 
So one piece might be there may 

1021
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:55,200
be a little bit of a gamble if I
take the other side, that might 

1022
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:56,720
be enough to get Aaron to back 
down. 

1023
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,600
It might just be done with as 
soon as I appear on the other 

1024
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,880
side. 
He may have like, all right, 

1025
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,080
fine. 
I didn't know you're that 

1026
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,040
serious about it. 
Forget the whole thing, right? 

1027
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,080
It's almost given Aaron and out 
to not have to follow through 

1028
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,160
with this. 
I kind of wonder if Aaron might 

1029
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,480
have been a little scared to 
fight Dunk in the 1st place and 

1030
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:18,880
that's why he wanted to trial by
7 and not heads up combat it one

1031
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:24,000
if he's not only afraid to fight
dunk heads up, but also might 

1032
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,480
know that Dunk can't gather 6 
other nights. 

1033
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,680
But now that that's happened, 
Baylor was like, you know, you 

1034
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:34,240
know, Baylor was not happy about
Aryan insisting on the trial by 

1035
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:37,000
7. 
He's like, this is a seldom 

1036
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,120
called. 
It's an ancient thing. 

1037
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,720
We don't normally do this, but 
technically you have the right, 

1038
00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:43,280
you know, so Baylor's like, 
well, now that he's done this, 

1039
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,720
you know, what's my next move? 
You know, so I could see a 

1040
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:49,120
million angles of how he looked 
at this. 

1041
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,600
Some might be very 
straightforward, like it's the 

1042
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,440
right thing to do. 
He's just being chivalrous. 

1043
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:58,040
He might have that same instinct
to do the right thing that Donk 

1044
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,800
and Brian have. 
It might be a gamble to nip it 

1045
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,520
in a bud before the combat even 
happens that maybe Aaron will 

1046
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,680
just back down. 
He probably knew Darren was like

1047
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,640
looking for an excuse to back 
down already. 

1048
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,000
You know I knew Darren wasn't 
serious about fighting to the 

1049
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,200
death, right? 
So he might need to be set an 

1050
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,520
example. 
You might want to put Aaron in 

1051
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,720
his place for the killing that 
horse and then attacking a 

1052
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:24,880
girl's like jeez, can't fight 
with them Dunks kind of right 

1053
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:26,400
here. 
You know he doesn't want to be. 

1054
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:30,360
Seen to not. 
Give justice for. 

1055
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:34,520
That like, if he's going to be 
king, he doesn't want people to 

1056
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:35,720
be able to do that sort of 
thing. 

1057
00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:37,400
Yeah, they can't attack a woman 
and just get away with it. 

1058
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:41,000
Yeah, they can't associate. 
Baylor, with Aryan's actions 

1059
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:45,280
there and in the inverse of what
I was saying in terms of Baylor 

1060
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,920
maybe thinking he could mitigate
things in the trial of seven, 

1061
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,280
I've always wondered if there's 
any chance that you, you 

1062
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,640
mentioned Aryan, maybe he was 
afraid or had some, you know, 

1063
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,400
leeriness there. 
I've wondered if he chose it 

1064
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,400
because he knew Daron would have
to be part of it and Aryan wants

1065
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:03,680
his. 
Is that Darren? 

1066
00:51:03,720 --> 00:51:06,440
Darren is ahead of him in the 
line of succession. 

1067
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:11,920
Like Darren should be dead. 
That I I feel like Aryan does 

1068
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,760
have that in his mind. 
I don't I don't like him so I 

1069
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,040
don't trust him it. 
Didn't occur to me. 

1070
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,360
But the more more I think about 
it, I think you're right. 

1071
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,480
I think that is like at least 
another part of the angle that 

1072
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,360
Aryan can shoot. 
Yeah. 

1073
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,000
Yeah, I mean that. 
Way Aryan is not a kinslayer. 

1074
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,440
He isn't involved at all. 
But Darren is not a good fighter

1075
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,320
enough that it's. 
It's entirely possible that he 

1076
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,880
is killed, or that Aryan can 
even be the one to kill him and 

1077
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,400
no one will ever know, but it 
hasn't been clear enough that 

1078
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:44,440
Aryan would go that far. 
To add on to what you were 

1079
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:49,520
saying, Sean as well, the idea 
that he may have thought there 

1080
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,280
would be someone backing down, 
he may have thought to just his 

1081
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:53,960
entering may have changed the 
picture. 

1082
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:55,640
Nina. 
Suggested. 

1083
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,440
A similar thing and are over on 
Flick. 

1084
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,400
Stefan B had a question for you 
Sean. 

1085
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,760
I would like to hear Sean's 
managing and ruling oriented 

1086
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,600
thoughts on this. 
The whole affair was extremely 

1087
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,720
poorly handled by the rulers in 
my opinion. 

1088
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,200
The Hand of the King dead and 
risk of three Kingsguard and 

1089
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,600
four Targaryens coming to harm, 
2 of them very important. 

1090
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,760
Baylor and Makar over a minor 
incident between a loose cannon 

1091
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,320
Targaryen and a hedge knight. 
Surely there must have been a 

1092
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,320
better way to resolve this. 12 
by 7 is. 

1093
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,240
Part of the law. 
So that is maybe maybe there 

1094
00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:27,000
isn't a way, but what do you 
think Sean is that? 

1095
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,160
Is that kind of how you see it 
or are they kind of trapped by 

1096
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,640
their own honor or maybe there 
was another way you. 

1097
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:33,960
Know there might. 
Have been another way. 

1098
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,280
Like I have to think for a quick
second about this. 

1099
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,880
One of my thoughts is I don't 
know if this was necessarily a 

1100
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,400
minor incident. 
Like maybe by itself it's a 

1101
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,720
minor incident, but when you add
together all the stuff that 

1102
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:50,080
Aryan's done, maybe it's not as 
minor, might not necessarily be 

1103
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,400
minor in the 1st place. 
Assuming that there is some, 

1104
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:57,080
assuming that Baylor believes in
chivalry, assuming he wants his 

1105
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,400
family to be honorable. 
Like, doggone Aryan, you can't 

1106
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,880
do this, you know, like, I have 
to do something about this. 

1107
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:07,080
Letting this go. 
This one incident maybe isn't 

1108
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,080
that bad, but it sets a 
precedent. 

1109
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,600
How many more times does Aaron 
get to do this without better 

1110
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,480
doing something about it? 
At some point, it's kind of his 

1111
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,400
role to put this in check. 
And it may on some level seem 

1112
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,920
minor right now, but as a whole,
he, I, I, I feel like he's 

1113
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,280
obliged. 
Now, if he is obliged to do 

1114
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:27,520
something about it, I don't know
if like, having royal family 

1115
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,200
fight to the death maybe isn't 
the thing to do. 

1116
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:34,280
But it they are trying to treat 
this, I don't know quite how to 

1117
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:38,360
say this, but like by the books,
they're like trying to like use 

1118
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:39,960
whatever laws of the land they 
have. 

1119
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,000
And this is what is coming. 
I think it would be worse for 

1120
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,440
Baylor to say, nevermind, we're 
not going to follow the law. 

1121
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,240
You just have to do what I say. 
That's kind of dictatorial, you 

1122
00:53:48,240 --> 00:53:50,680
know, And I don't think that's 
his character or good precedent 

1123
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,680
for him to set. 
I mean, it's a. 

1124
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,440
It's a tough situation, and 
maybe there's a better way. 

1125
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,800
I can't immediately think of 
one. 

1126
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,400
Yeah, Baylor might have been up 
all night trying to think of one

1127
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,320
himself. 
I don't know. 

1128
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:05,640
There's so many. 
Things he's trying to balance 

1129
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:09,800
here, like Ashaya said, it's 
hard to it's hard to get at what

1130
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,840
Baylor would think is the most 
important thing. 

1131
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,480
And and yeah, we really don't 
know what's in his head here. 

1132
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,520
A lot of our. 
Tanzel talk will be the 

1133
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,760
beginning of the Sworn Sword 
because he thinks about her so 

1134
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,800
much having not found her. 
So we've got a few notes on that

1135
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,440
that we'll say for then. 
But I do want to say it's a kind

1136
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:30,800
of a micro tragedy that she 
leaves before seeing Dunk win. 

1137
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,080
It's like, Dang it, she's he 
wins. 

1138
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,800
Oh man, she doesn't even get to 
see that. 

1139
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,920
It's so, but you get it, right? 
You understand why she left. 

1140
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,000
When it's laid out for him, he 
doesn't even quite. 

1141
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,680
He's not like he's disappointed,
but he doesn't think she made a 

1142
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,720
bad decision. 
She's like, Oh yeah, yeah, get 

1143
00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:50,560
away while you can. 
You can. 

1144
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,240
Maybe save it more for a later 
talk with all the other stuff 

1145
00:54:53,240 --> 00:54:55,200
that was surround this, but 
think how differently the whole 

1146
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:56,880
story might have played out if 
she had stayed. 

1147
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,000
Oh wow, yeah. 
She would have. 

1148
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:00,480
Would he have? 
Still gone on to be in the 

1149
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:01,960
Kingsguard. 
Would he have wanted to marry 

1150
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:03,880
her? 
Would he still cared as much 

1151
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,400
about being dunks? 
You know, about Egg being his 

1152
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,640
Squire, which you've been happy 
to settle down. 

1153
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,000
You know, it's a good point. 
Good. 

1154
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,600
Point SO. 
You. 

1155
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:16,800
Cited a quote here that I think 
is absolutely worth discussing. 

1156
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,880
Let's let's go to that. 
This is when. 

1157
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:22,360
He got in the shield from from 
Pate. 

1158
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,280
Now the Dark held it in his 
hands. 

1159
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,720
It seemed all wrong. 
The star was falling. 

1160
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,440
What sort of sigil was that? 
Well, he'd fall just as fast, 

1161
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:36,000
and sunset heralds night. 
I should have stayed with the 

1162
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,160
chalice, he said miserably. 
It had wings at least to fly 

1163
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,880
away and Sir Arlen said the cup 
was full of faith and fellowship

1164
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:46,120
and good things to drink. 
What do you do with Al? 

1165
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,000
That that's, that's a powerful 
question. 

1166
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:53,960
One it it kind of shows like his
his his lack of confidence. 

1167
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,880
So you know, there's a thing I 
don't know enough about it, so I

1168
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,880
don't want to speak on it too 
much, but it there's something 

1169
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:02,560
called imposter syndrome where 
the idea is someone even it's 

1170
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:05,000
expert or experience, it might 
be it's something they still 

1171
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,560
feel like they haven't earned it
or they don't belong or 

1172
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:09,400
whatever. 
And sometimes I feel like Dunk 

1173
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:14,720
might have that he is almost 
always looking at himself and in

1174
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:18,200
in a negative light, you know? 
And additionally, by the way, 

1175
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:23,440
it's it's there's a lot of this.
This may be a moment of him 

1176
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,120
getting out from under Sir 
Arlen's wings, right? 

1177
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:30,640
He's got to be his own. 
But he has to accept this is his

1178
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:34,040
own sigil. 
This is his own path also, he's 

1179
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,840
not flying away. 
He never flies away like and it 

1180
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,720
almost shows like that the Ned 
quote where you know you have to

1181
00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:42,320
be scared to be brave in the 1st
place. 

1182
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:46,520
The fact that he considers it 
makes it better, makes it more 

1183
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,320
valuable or honorable that he 
does stay time and again. 

1184
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:54,040
You know he isn't just 
completely dumb bumbling into 

1185
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:55,800
these things. 
He knows it's dangerous, he 

1186
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,280
knows he's risking his life, but
he does it anyway. 

1187
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:04,560
Side note, another clue here. 
We keep hitting, I'm trying to 

1188
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,560
save it to the end, but we keep 
passing these little moments of 

1189
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,080
evidence back and forth about 
whether Dunk might be a nice. 

1190
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:14,760
And one of my thoughts is it 
maybe Arlen was just blind drunk

1191
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,520
and didn't even remember it the 
next day and that. 

1192
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:19,920
And so Dunk doesn't think it 
counts. 

1193
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:23,640
And this is, you know, his 
Arlen's cup is a chalice. 

1194
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,840
You know what I mean? 
Like he there's a few hints that

1195
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:30,880
Arlen might be alcoholic in it. 
It could give Dunk reason to 

1196
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:32,480
question the validity of his 
knighting. 

1197
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:33,760
But that's a good point. 
Yeah, it's. 

1198
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,960
Interesting. 
There's, there's like certainly 

1199
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:40,240
people do tend to frame the 
question was he knighted or not.

1200
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:43,600
Whereas you're raising the 
question was maybe the knighting

1201
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:48,760
was incomplete or something was 
wrong with it, which is what 

1202
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:50,440
you're saying here. 
And that's a really good third 

1203
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,160
option. 
I think that's very much worth 

1204
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,520
consideration. 
Yeah, not. 

1205
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,760
That Dunk just straight up lied 
about being knighted. 

1206
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,280
That maybe Dunk knows it didn't 
count even if it really 

1207
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:00,360
happened. 
Yeah. 

1208
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:01,640
With. 
And all. 

1209
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:03,960
Kinds of reasons he might think 
it didn't count maybe Arlen was 

1210
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,760
drunk maybe he knows there's 
supposed to be a septum there 

1211
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,520
maybe Arlen hadn't been 
honorable in his final days, 

1212
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,640
maybe you know etcetera. 
Maybe he wakes up and he's. 

1213
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:12,960
Like I didn't know you. 
You kidding me? 

1214
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:14,360
You're not worthy. 
You know, something like that. 

1215
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:18,600
He's like, well, you sorted. 
You know, take it back. 

1216
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,640
Like that, Yeah. 
Anyway, we're just speculating, 

1217
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,440
but it just goes to show there 
are other possibilities besides 

1218
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,040
just yes or no here. 
Yeah, a straight. 

1219
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:27,760
Yeah, I like that. 
I like because I don't. 

1220
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,240
I don't. 
I'm not terribly open to it. 

1221
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:34,520
Never happened at all, but I 
like this sort of hybrid concept

1222
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:35,920
of something. 
Wasn't. 

1223
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,720
Quite right about it. 
Maybe the dunk season incomplete

1224
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,080
that that works better for me as
an as an alternative. 

1225
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:43,920
But maybe one day we'll find out
for sure. 

1226
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:45,800
Also with this falling star. 
Yeah. 

1227
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,520
Like as a metaphor, A lot of 
good things come from falling 

1228
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:52,680
stars, like Dawn, the sword, 
right, the metal that comes out 

1229
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:58,320
of it. the IT founded a house 
and it happens like them in 

1230
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,920
their fight, Aryan swinging his 
morning star and the ball comes 

1231
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:06,920
down on Dunk's head and, and 
it's very symbolic, but Dunk 

1232
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,320
gets back up again. 
And it reminds me of So what 

1233
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,920
Arthur Dayne says to Jamie when 
Jamie's being knighted. 

1234
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,560
He's he lays dawn on his 
shoulder to knight him, you 

1235
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:20,160
know, back and forth like, but 
dawn is so sharp that it cuts 

1236
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,760
him just being laid, just laid 
on his shoulder like that. 

1237
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:25,920
And and Arthur says all Knights 
bleed. 

1238
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:29,400
This is a function of that Dunk 
sitting there and questioning 

1239
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,040
whether he's good enough is a 
function of that of all Knights 

1240
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:33,200
bleed. 
He's getting he's. 

1241
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,160
Considering. 
Himself and asking himself 

1242
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,240
whether he's good enough. 
It's the same thing as 

1243
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:41,160
sharpening your sword or 
practicing your strokes. 

1244
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:43,880
Getting down in the mud and 
actually fighting is. 

1245
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:49,480
If we agree that knighthood is 
part fighting and part behavior,

1246
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,360
then you better have some self 
reflection. 

1247
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,880
You don't necessarily have to 
ask am I good enough? 

1248
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,840
It doesn't have to take the 
exact shape that dunks. 

1249
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,440
Imposter syndrome I. 
Think is a good thing to use as 

1250
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,120
an example here that you brought
up. 

1251
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,720
The fact that you're if you're 
not questioning yourself like 

1252
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:07,600
there too much confidence is a 
bad thing. 

1253
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:09,440
Too much confidence is arrogance
like Aryan. 

1254
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,160
Is pretty arrogant. 
You know, like the guy just 

1255
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:16,920
seems very full of himself, you 
know, a good example of that 

1256
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:18,280
perhaps. 
I mean, obviously he's, it's not

1257
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:19,560
just about his confidence. 
He's not. 

1258
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:21,440
He's also like a psychopath, but
hey. 

1259
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:26,280
Let's take a few. 
Questions here. 

1260
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,760
Julia says it's proof that Aryan
is a bully and a coward. 

1261
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,920
By demanding the trial of seven,
he would risk 14 lives instead 

1262
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:34,600
of just one. 
Yeah. 

1263
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:36,160
Yeah. 
I I think you were right, Sean. 

1264
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:40,360
I think by demanding a trial by 
7 rather than a trial of 1. 

1265
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:44,040
I think that I don't know that 
he was afraid of him to face him

1266
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:47,280
head on because he did go right 
for him in the fight, although 

1267
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:49,120
maybe that was just because 
people were watching. 

1268
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,080
But you're there's definitely 
something to the fact that he 

1269
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,240
probably thought there's a good 
chance that no one that he 

1270
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:58,840
wouldn't be able to get 7. 
After all, they tried to bribe, 

1271
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,840
they've successfully bribed 
Stefan away. 

1272
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,040
So they were definitely trying 
to undermine Dunk getting to 7. 

1273
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:06,640
So there's pretty 
straightforward evidence of 

1274
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:10,080
that. 
So yeah, I guess Aryan wasn't 

1275
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:12,280
afraid to fight when it came 
down to it, but he maybe was 

1276
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:14,400
trying to avoid the fight in the
1st place. 

1277
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:18,000
Just that's the way bullies are.
They'll they'll use violence but

1278
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,160
they prefer to and not have it 
returned. 

1279
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:25,080
Yeah, 1 sided there's different.
Types and levels of cowardice. 

1280
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,880
And I think Aryan isn't a 
straight up coward, but he's not

1281
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:29,480
a straight up hero either, 
right? 

1282
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:32,520
Dornish Dame wants. 
And you got to wonder what 

1283
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,520
Darren the second thought Slash 
did when he was told about about

1284
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:38,480
this death. 
Apparently he news went back and

1285
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,800
forth pretty quickly because 
they argued about there was some

1286
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:46,440
debate over the funeral practice
and it was Darren's word to go 

1287
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:49,080
ahead with the burning. 
Matthew Dominique. 

1288
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,880
Says I do feel like Baylor 
picking a side is just as much a

1289
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:55,640
political scandal than letting 
Dunk go and. 

1290
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:59,320
I wanted. 
To say that I agree with this, 

1291
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:03,840
but that I wanted to bring it 
back to what Sean said about it 

1292
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:10,960
being more dictatorial, about it
not necessarily being political,

1293
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:15,680
but about not just telling 
people what to do. 

1294
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:19,240
It looks bad outs from the 
outside, kind of like like the 

1295
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:21,680
Targaryens were fighting each 
other, like, you know, like, 

1296
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,920
wow, what's that all about? 
Yeah, it it. 

1297
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:27,160
You can definitely like look at 
pieces of this and judge them, 

1298
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:30,680
but what are the alternatives? 
This is sort of a, a, a no good,

1299
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:34,280
a lesser of five evils, if you 
will, you know what I mean? 

1300
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,960
Like all the different ways you 
could potentially handle this 

1301
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:40,600
have some problem. 
And this one I think in the end,

1302
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:44,440
maybe on some level has the the 
greatest risk, but also has the 

1303
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,160
least problems. 
You know that that it doesn't 

1304
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:48,800
set bad precedence for the 
future. 

1305
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:51,720
It maintains the level of honor 
and integrity for the family, 

1306
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:55,960
the law, never mind just the 
right thing or dunks character, 

1307
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:56,760
etcetera. 
Some. 

1308
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:58,800
Yeah, right. 
On and also for. 

1309
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:02,480
The most part, everyone, I don't
know, I say this risking their 

1310
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:06,120
lives here is, is asking for it.
They're they're they're in on 

1311
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:07,480
this. 
They're agreeing to it. 

1312
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,560
No one's being coerced. 
You know, that's true. 

1313
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:11,960
That's true. 
I think Daron's a little. 

1314
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:15,200
Bit being coerced, I think Daron
is honestly. 

1315
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:17,440
I guess Daron is a. 
Little bit dunk kind of is a 

1316
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,600
little bit too. 
Yeah, I guess you're too. 

1317
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:21,720
But hey, you know. 
Yeah. 

1318
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:23,200
Their. 
Whole life is coercion. 

1319
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:29,360
So here's a question from CCAKA,
Mrs. Duncan the Tall. 

1320
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,160
Hi friends, I'm loving the new 
Valeritas episodes. 

1321
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,120
Here's a question. 
At the end of the story, Makar 

1322
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:37,200
asked Dunk if his tree, his Elm 
tree, gives him any answers. 

1323
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:39,000
Dunk replies. 
None that I can hear. 

1324
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:44,600
Is this perhaps foreshadowing or
a nod or some sort of 

1325
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,360
implication that the old gods 
will communicate to Dunk via 

1326
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:50,440
weirwood or Blood Raven himself 
communicate to him? 

1327
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:52,160
Certainly he's going to have 
Blood Raven in his life. 

1328
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:56,320
So you could have the sort of 
the middle man communicating 

1329
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:59,520
there. 
And there's this quote. 

1330
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:04,240
That comes. 
At the beginning of The Sworn 

1331
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:06,640
Sword, I think it is doesn't 
matter where it is really. 

1332
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:10,840
But Dunk, remembering the first 
time he met Bloodraven, which is

1333
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:13,520
when he was a kid, he saw 
Bloodraven from afar, and he 

1334
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:15,960
said he looked like he was 
looking into his soul. 

1335
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,720
And by the way, Jimi Hendrix. 
Behind me, he's looking into 

1336
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:22,800
yourself. 
It's true. 

1337
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:24,040
That's. 
True, He is good at that. 

1338
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:27,600
Jimi Hendrix, rather in honor of
the Red Keep, he wrote a song 

1339
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:29,280
about the Red House. 
Yes. 

1340
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:32,480
There you go. 
And so, yeah, this is an 

1341
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:33,680
interesting question because, 
yeah, it is. 

1342
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:35,240
I I took note of that quote, 
too. 

1343
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:37,480
It's a little, you know, it's an
Elm tree, not a weirwood. 

1344
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:39,600
But of course, if it was a 
weirwood, that would all the 

1345
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,040
alarm bells would go off. 
And what's a weirwood doing 

1346
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:43,440
there? 
And, you know, let me see its 

1347
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,480
face. 
And yeah, that maybe would be a 

1348
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:47,400
little too obvious. 
But yeah, anytime someone asks, 

1349
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,280
are the trees talking? 
You, you got to go away. 

1350
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:51,000
What's this all? 
What's that now? 

1351
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:55,720
You can't just skip. 
Over talking trees in in the 

1352
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:57,640
song of ice and fire or related 
properties. 

1353
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:01,280
So yeah, I do wonder about that.
You know, all this connection 

1354
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,280
with the blood Raven and maker. 
I'm not sure we can. 

1355
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:05,360
We certainly don't have a 
definitive answer. 

1356
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:10,120
But yes, I think there is 
George's alluding to this as his

1357
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:15,240
future as the the whispering of 
trees is going to matter a lot. 

1358
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:18,080
Probably more for AG than Dunk 
though, if we're being honest. 

1359
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:21,000
Although things that. 
Matter for AG, matter for Dunk. 

1360
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:22,000
Yeah, that's true. 
They're really tied. 

1361
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,360
Together, it's hard to separate 
them, I guess in in a lot of 

1362
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:27,000
ways and of course we know 
they're going to go to the wall 

1363
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:30,480
right at some point that's going
to happen. 

1364
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,200
So we'll see about that. 
That's that's later. 

1365
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:35,160
I. 
Wanted to. 

1366
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:40,120
Cite this comment from YouTube 
by Ferrell 75 because it very 

1367
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:45,600
well summarizes the issues 
facing Dunk from A and and 

1368
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:49,720
Brienne from a societal angle. 
So this is a good sad from 

1369
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:52,120
Pharaoh 75. 
It's the inherent sexism which 

1370
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:54,840
defines chivalry that is 
Brienne's biggest obstacle, and 

1371
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:57,880
for Dunk it's the inherent 
snobbism which comes from the 

1372
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:00,400
upper classes. 
It also defines chivalry as his 

1373
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,600
obstacle and both are managing 
to show to everyone that these 

1374
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:07,480
two age-old tropes of chivalry 
are meaningless mummery. 

1375
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:10,280
Very, very well said Snobbism 
which? 

1376
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:13,200
Comes from the upper class AKA 
classism, yes. 

1377
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:16,040
Yes, Good said. 
Yes, So that's awesome. 

1378
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:17,440
That's really well said. 
Feral 75. 

1379
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:19,520
It's true. 
This, this story not only 

1380
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:22,320
highlights those aspects of 
chivalry which maybe aren't 

1381
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:24,880
chivalrous, they shouldn't 
belong as the as part of the 

1382
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:27,520
definition of chivalry, although
they often are lumped in there. 

1383
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:30,720
And George is showing us that by
highlighting that, we really get

1384
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:33,800
the sense of yeah. 
What the upper? 

1385
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:37,400
Class thinks of his chivalry a 
lot of times involves these 

1386
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:42,040
sexism and classism, and that's 
very much defeats the purpose in

1387
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:44,840
the first place. 
Igor. 

1388
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:47,400
Igor P says my most memorable 
cheating technique from this 

1389
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:49,440
tourney is injuring people 
during practice. 

1390
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:50,520
Yeah, that's what we didn't 
mention. 

1391
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:53,200
That's just there's we we did 
mention that there's just this 

1392
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:57,120
assault of little examples of 
cheating and unshoverous 

1393
01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:59,000
behavior, just just countless 
examples. 

1394
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,920
And this is one we didn't 
specifically cite, but that's a 

1395
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:03,720
pretty good one. 
Like like. 

1396
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:05,760
Looking for an. 
Edge, it's a good. 

1397
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:09,400
A good hint at the idea of a 
tournament night that we see in 

1398
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,640
the third book. 
The idea that that sort of 

1399
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:14,680
angles that people have just to 
win these tournaments. 

1400
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:18,120
I don't have anything to do with
chivalry or even being a good 

1401
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:19,880
fighter. 
Just like ways to game the 

1402
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:21,920
system. 
I even understand. 

1403
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,360
I understand it. 
It makes sense to try to find 

1404
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:28,400
edges, but it maybe doesn't make
sense for a chivalrous knight to

1405
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:30,440
try to find those edges, you 
know? 

1406
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:33,000
Or maybe they need to have 
better rules for the tournament.

1407
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,080
I don't know. 
But yeah, Andrew. 

1408
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:38,040
Lim calls back our example of 
dragonflies. 

1409
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:40,720
When I was stationed in Korea, 
we used to have competitions to 

1410
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:43,000
see who could get a dragonfly to
catch the biggest Pebble. 

1411
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:45,520
Some of the dragonflies were big
enough to grab and momentarily 

1412
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:47,520
hold pebbles twice the size of a
pea. 

1413
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:51,720
They are wonderful insects. 
Whoa, dragonflies catching 

1414
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:53,560
pebbles? 
That's wild. 

1415
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:56,240
I didn't know that was a thing. 
Learn something new every day, I

1416
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:58,200
suppose. 
Yeah, That's really cool. 

1417
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,760
Thanks for that, Andrew Lim. 
Dragonflies are pretty amazing. 

1418
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,080
I mean, it makes sense that 
they'd be amazing in a lot of 

1419
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:05,840
ways. 
Like human evolution didn't 

1420
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:06,840
start. 
As long ago. 

1421
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:09,240
As dragonfly evolution, they've 
been evolving for what, 60 

1422
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:11,920
million more years, years than 
us, something like that. 

1423
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:15,440
So yeah, they're impressive. 
Jefferson says. 

1424
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:17,800
On the subject of the Laughing 
Storm knocking off pieces of his

1425
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,080
opponent's armor and tossing 
them to the crowd, a victor, an 

1426
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:22,520
attorney or melee, wins his 
defeated horse in the armor. 

1427
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:24,960
So he really is giving away part
of his winnings to the Commons, 

1428
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:26,279
which I would argue is 
chivalrous. 

1429
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:30,399
Yeah, it is sort of a Gray area 
now, to be fair. 

1430
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:33,720
Yeah, I we even called it Robin 
Hooding their helmets at the 

1431
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:38,439
time when we brought this up. 
But the understanding between 

1432
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:40,520
defeated opponents is that 
you'll get to buy your stuff 

1433
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:43,200
back. 
Like they generally sell it 

1434
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:45,000
back. 
Like you almost always sell it 

1435
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:47,319
back to the person you beat. 
You take the money and let them 

1436
01:08:47,319 --> 01:08:49,359
have their stuff because their 
stuff is customized. 

1437
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:52,080
It's personal. 
It's it's their understanding. 

1438
01:08:52,399 --> 01:08:54,160
But it's not the rule, right? 
So that's. 

1439
01:08:54,319 --> 01:08:57,160
That's the argue. 
Is it chivalrous to not go by 

1440
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,680
this understood rule? 
Like it's definitely chivalrous 

1441
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:04,760
to give money to charity, I 
would say, but is it chivalrous 

1442
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:07,920
to divert that from like he 
could just get the money and 

1443
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:09,600
give it to them. 
He doesn't have to give them, 

1444
01:09:10,399 --> 01:09:12,960
you know what I mean? 
Like it's not like this. 

1445
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,680
Is his only way to give money to
charity here? 

1446
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:17,600
Yeah, it's it's. 
Starting the line, it's. 

1447
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:19,560
Selfish. 
Yeah, it's just. 

1448
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:22,000
Straight up. 
Is he wants the, you know, 

1449
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:25,240
people applauding him. 
He wants the pageantry of it 

1450
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:26,160
all. 
It's showy. 

1451
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:27,640
Yeah. 
I don't, I don't really think 

1452
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:30,840
that it's like he wants to help 
the common people. 

1453
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:32,120
He wants the. 
Approbation. 

1454
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:33,040
Yeah. 
He wants the Cheers. 

1455
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:33,800
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1456
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:34,800
I don't think he cares about 
health. 

1457
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:36,520
I do want to. 
Give him a little benefit of the

1458
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:41,080
doubt because later on, when 
Baylor's presenting his plan of 

1459
01:09:41,399 --> 01:09:44,240
fighting like, I'll take the 
Kingsguards because they can't 

1460
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:47,520
attack me anyway, he's the one 
that says, is that chivalrous? 

1461
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:49,319
Yeah, that's a good point. 
About that, that's a good point.

1462
01:09:49,319 --> 01:09:53,080
He he so he seems to be mindful.
Of it, at least, that's exactly.

1463
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:55,280
Where I was going, what I was 
going to say, he seems to care. 

1464
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:57,880
Whether or not this act is 
actually chivalrous is 

1465
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:00,600
debatable, but he might see it 
as that, and he maybe is a 

1466
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:03,160
chivalrous guy in general if he 
got into. 

1467
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:05,360
An intellectual debate with 
someone he might like re 

1468
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:07,080
evaluate and stop doing it, you 
know? 

1469
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:08,560
But maybe not. 
He might just be like Nah. 

1470
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:11,360
I'm going to keep doing it. 
It's it's Gray area, whatever. 

1471
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:13,520
Who knows? 
Who knows? 

1472
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:15,600
They're like, I didn't take. 
Their heads off with their 

1473
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:18,960
helmet. 
Julie A. 

1474
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:21,680
Asks. 
Question for the panel. 

1475
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:25,560
Is John having dragon dreams? 
I don't. 

1476
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:27,440
Think so. 
I don't think any of his dreams 

1477
01:10:27,440 --> 01:10:30,720
have been explicitly dragony. 
Like he doesn't have dreams of 

1478
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:33,200
specific Dragons. 
He has dreams that you could say

1479
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:35,720
have like flame and fire in them
and stuff like that. 

1480
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:37,400
But most of his dreams are like 
the crypts. 

1481
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:39,480
He has a few skin changing 
dreams. 

1482
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:41,000
I would. 
Say magic. 

1483
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:45,400
Dreams, yes. 
Dragon dreams specifically, no. 

1484
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,120
If that's actually if I concur. 
OK, cool. 

1485
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:49,680
Any. 
Anything to add to share? 

1486
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:53,560
Did I concur? 
I would be a fool if I did not 

1487
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:55,960
concur. 
Should have concurred. 

1488
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:57,600
Why didn't I just concur? 
Just concur. 

1489
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:00,560
That's a reference to Catch Me 
if you can. 

1490
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:02,240
You know, if you haven't seen 
that movie, Very fun. 

1491
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:04,560
Very fun. 
By the way, it's supposedly 

1492
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:07,120
based on a true story. 
It's not almost. 

1493
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:08,920
Oh, really? 
Yeah, it's not. 

1494
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:10,840
I read this whole takedown on 
it, Frank. 

1495
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:14,800
Most of what is in that in the 
movie is not was never 

1496
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,800
independently verified Abagnail 
like tells this story and wrote 

1497
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:19,440
a book about it, but people just
didn't question it. 

1498
01:11:19,440 --> 01:11:21,920
But people who have questioned 
it, yeah, it's almost all bull. 

1499
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:23,800
It's too bad because it's still.
It's like maybe. 

1500
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:26,680
Based on a true story, but it's 
highly embellished. 

1501
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:29,320
It's it's massive, massively 
embellished. 

1502
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:31,520
Yeah. 
Like, for example, he like he 

1503
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:36,640
really massively harassed that 
family in in in Louisiana and he

1504
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:38,080
didn't ever escape from the 
plane. 

1505
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:39,760
Like a lot of these other things
just didn't happen. 

1506
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:45,520
And yeah, he he downplayed how 
bad he was and upplayed, 

1507
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,640
upplayed how how clever he was. 
So yeah. 

1508
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:51,840
And also the bigger, the bigger 
issue was that so much of this 

1509
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:54,160
happened in a pre Internet era 
when people just couldn't 

1510
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:55,720
question, like things couldn't 
be questioned. 

1511
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:58,120
And and no one's now only a few 
people have gone back to check 

1512
01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:02,680
here in the year 2021. 
So anyway, quite a tangent there

1513
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:04,360
folks. 
Let's get back to it. 

1514
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:07,720
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1515
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:11,800
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1516
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1517
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Really high quality. 

1518
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1519
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:26,400
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1520
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:30,320
with sitting under a dragon for 
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1521
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:33,000
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1522
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:36,000
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1523
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:38,600
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1524
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:41,280
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1525
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:44,240
Oh God. 
Yeah, I think I. 

1526
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:49,520
Got they're probably in storage 
from when I moved here to Denver

1527
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:53,440
from Atlanta, but I think I got 
quite a few of them from from 

1528
01:12:53,440 --> 01:12:56,400
Stephen Stark. 
I think he yeah gave me a 

1529
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:59,040
selection of those coins the 1st
that I became aware of them. 

1530
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:04,000
Yeah, that was the the. 
The Bravosi iron coin is 

1531
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:07,680
probably their most popular 
seller among the Sung by some 

1532
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:08,840
Fire coins. 
That's a really good one. 

1533
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:10,160
There's very there's a lot of 
versions of it, though. 

1534
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:12,280
There is. 
There's like a square version 

1535
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:14,360
and. 
Just a lot of like. 

1536
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:16,240
Some variations on the artwork 
and stuff like that. 

1537
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:19,160
So yeah, there's like the. 
Faceless man coin versus you 

1538
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:20,880
know the Bravosi right? 
That's true. 

1539
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:23,000
There's a. 
Couple of but if you. 

1540
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:27,640
Want to buy some for yourself or
for a friend or loved one? 

1541
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:31,680
If you go to our website, on the
sidebar to the right you'll see 

1542
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:36,360
a direct link, and if you buy 
through that link it will help 

1543
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:39,440
support us most of. 
The purchases I've made of 

1544
01:13:39,440 --> 01:13:41,560
Shower Postman were for gifts 
for someone else. 

1545
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:43,600
They're really, it's a really 
easy way to just be like, oh, a 

1546
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:45,120
gift for someone. 
And there's so many of them you 

1547
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,440
don't have to ever repeat. 
But yeah, Aziz also. 

1548
01:13:47,440 --> 01:13:49,680
Has some cool, you know, 
historical ones. 

1549
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:51,440
They don't just have fantasy. 
Yeah. 

1550
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:54,920
All right, let's talk about. 
The plan as you said, Sean, you 

1551
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:56,600
already mentioned this quote 
from Lionel. 

1552
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:59,360
The gods will let us know. 
We've talked about how the gods 

1553
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:03,280
don't have any powers the seven,
but maybe they do They didn't 

1554
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:05,240
seem to be happy with this trick
with. 

1555
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:08,240
Baylor. 
'S that's the same clue, yeah. 

1556
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:11,360
It depends on what. 
The gods were letting them know 

1557
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:12,960
exactly. 
By the way, that's one of my 

1558
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:16,240
favorite lines of the whole 
series was when when Baylor says

1559
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:21,000
the gods will let us know, it's 
I like it because you can't 

1560
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:25,040
really argue against it because 
all the people that ostensibly 

1561
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:28,040
believe in the gods, he's like, 
all right, well, if you believe 

1562
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:30,480
in the gods, here we go, you 
know, like, how can you argue? 

1563
01:14:30,480 --> 01:14:32,760
Again? 
It's like this sort of excuse. 

1564
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:35,760
But also maybe he really does 
believe in the gods. 

1565
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:40,600
It's, it's so many angles to it 
that it, it, it seems like it's 

1566
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:43,440
a good plan. 
If there is a problem with it. 

1567
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:46,280
Look, we're already putting our 
hands, we're already putting our

1568
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:48,880
lives in God's hands anyway. 
So it's a very, at least we're 

1569
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:51,040
going to do it in a way that 
seems wisest. 

1570
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:53,160
And if the gods don't like it, 
they'll let us know. 

1571
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:55,280
So that's a good. 
Set right there for sure. 

1572
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:58,280
He's probably devout and I think
there's a really strong argument

1573
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:01,360
that he is legitimately devout 
and not just saying this. 

1574
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:07,200
After all, he's the son of Daron
the good who idolized Baylor the

1575
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:10,240
blessed, the so-called Septon 
King. 

1576
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:15,200
So I mean, as he's got a Direct 
Line to, I mean he's named after

1577
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:19,520
Baylor the blessed. 
That's so absolutely. 

1578
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:23,920
This guy was given of religious 
upbringing, his family's 

1579
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,280
brought. 
He was brought up amongst people

1580
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:30,120
that are devout believers that 
have Syrian faith is a big part 

1581
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:32,160
of their life. 
So yes, we have to reckon with 

1582
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:35,160
that as part of his attitude, 
part of his character. 

1583
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:38,400
I think it would be a mistake 
not to something. 

1584
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:42,120
That prayer is religion aside, 
you know, even if you're a 

1585
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:45,280
straight atheist, there still is
something. 

1586
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:49,160
Prayer still has these, I think 
at least two purposes that it 

1587
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:50,960
served. 
You reflect on what you're 

1588
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:53,440
thankful for a lot of your 
prayers or you know, thank you 

1589
01:15:53,440 --> 01:15:55,560
God for this, whatever. 
And I think that's a valuable 

1590
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:57,440
thing. 
And the other is to think about 

1591
01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:00,400
what you want. 
You know, please let my cousin 

1592
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:02,600
be cured of cancer or let me get
this job or whatever. 

1593
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:05,120
Those are things that prayer do,
whether or not you believe in 

1594
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:07,320
the gods. 
And so whether there are real 

1595
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:09,680
gods, whether Balor believe them
or not, you got to imagine he 

1596
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:13,080
probably prayed on this. 
And part of his prayer was what 

1597
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:16,120
I want to happen here. 
How do I make that happen? 

1598
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:19,160
OK, I got a plan not to let us 
know. 

1599
01:16:20,480 --> 01:16:23,560
Yeah, well said. 
A couple of things about. 

1600
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:27,320
Jousting here about whether this
like the legitimacy of this 

1601
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:29,760
trick and just a couple of 
things that are useful to know. 

1602
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:32,000
OK so the first of all I talk 
about breaking a Lance is 

1603
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:34,000
honorable when bails is breaking
in a tournament. 

1604
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:36,040
Breaking a Lance is honorable 
but but here it might be the 

1605
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:37,080
difference between life and 
death. 

1606
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:41,320
OK, the reason breaking a Lance 
is honorable is because it means

1607
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:44,160
you scored a clean hit. 
The lances are designed to 

1608
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:45,560
break. 
Tournament lances are designed 

1609
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:48,360
to break, but they're designed 
to break in a manner 

1610
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:52,600
commensurate with this would 
have been a fatal blow if or a 

1611
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:57,920
strong blow if not for this 
breakability put into the Lance.

1612
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:01,000
So it's in other words, they're 
only designed to break when you 

1613
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:04,000
strike a a really good blow or 
if you know, just bends 

1614
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,600
backwards or something like that
obvious you need to have. 

1615
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:09,440
Good skill to to to aim at will,
right? 

1616
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:14,560
But if your aim is at the horse 
or their head, you're not going 

1617
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:16,880
to break the Lance, you're going
to break their head or kill 

1618
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:20,160
their horse. 
So it's honorable to to have 

1619
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:22,880
enough skill that you could have
hit their head, but to hit their

1620
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:24,720
shield so that your Lance 
breaks. 

1621
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:27,720
It's like it's what the goal is 
in a tournament. 

1622
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:30,080
So think about a. 
Bunch of your friends, like any 

1623
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:32,040
of your friends who are gamers. 
Maybe you're a game or two you 

1624
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:34,560
talk about your favorite game, 
like your whatever game you guys

1625
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:37,040
are playing right now, some game
they've been playing for a long 

1626
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:38,760
time. 
Maybe you, or maybe you're some 

1627
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:41,680
of you have friends who like to 
discuss battles or real 

1628
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:44,720
historical battles. 
Picture this with these guys who

1629
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:46,440
go to tournaments all the time 
who joust a lot. 

1630
01:17:46,440 --> 01:17:49,560
They probably have thought about
a lot of the tactics and 

1631
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:53,360
strategies and a trial by 7, 
though, wouldn't be something 

1632
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:55,400
that none of them have ever 
participated in. 

1633
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:58,680
So they probably have thoughts 
on like the right strategy for 

1634
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:03,400
A7 on 7 and things like that. 
This is what like like jousting 

1635
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:05,560
nerds, right? 
Like there's these Knights that 

1636
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:09,680
think about jousting strategy. 
Baylor quite possibly has had 

1637
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:11,680
this idea for a long time. 
He's like, you know what, this 

1638
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:14,400
is that time to try that, you 
know, just thinking about reach 

1639
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:17,960
because I I wonder if he had 
this idea just now, like he was 

1640
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:20,120
praying like he's up all night 
thinking about it. 

1641
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:22,400
And this is one of the things 
that that came to him and he he 

1642
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:26,440
considers it like a inspiration 
from the gods, like the father 

1643
01:18:26,440 --> 01:18:29,280
sent him, you know, some 
inspiration or something like 

1644
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:31,080
that. 
It's kind of interesting. 

1645
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:32,600
I wonder how much they thought 
about this. 

1646
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:35,240
We think about like how much of 
a question of politics is here. 

1647
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:38,680
But probably quite a bit of 
tactics has been discussed or at

1648
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:41,040
least hashed out those kind of 
things. 

1649
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:42,880
These these nobles talk. 
We talk about fighting all the 

1650
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:44,640
time, right? 
Like, yeah, it's another thing. 

1651
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:48,480
That sometimes, for better or 
worse, tradition can seep its 

1652
01:18:48,480 --> 01:18:52,080
way into into a lot of things. 
But in into war, you know, even 

1653
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:57,040
like in colonial times, it was 
standard for the armies to like,

1654
01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:59,920
schedule a meeting, all right, 
nine O clock on this field. 

1655
01:18:59,920 --> 01:19:02,640
We're going to meet up and then 
shoot at each other until more 

1656
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:04,200
people die on one side of the 
other, whatever. 

1657
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:07,040
And it was kind of like, what do
these Americans do? 

1658
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:09,800
And running into the trees, you 
know, these sort of gorilla 

1659
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:11,800
tactics. 
But Americans weren't as 

1660
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:13,960
attached to the traditions. 
We're just trying to win this 

1661
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:16,600
battle. 
And so I can imagine over time, 

1662
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:19,880
tradition arose like, this is 
how you make a whirl Lance. 

1663
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:21,160
And it just made them all the 
same. 

1664
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:23,760
But it sounds like what if I 
make mine a little bit longer, 

1665
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:26,480
You know, how, like, maybe it's 
more likely to break, but I'm 

1666
01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:28,560
more likely to knock them off 
their horse first. 

1667
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:31,600
But people aren't actively 
thinking about that. 

1668
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:34,920
Mostly Baylor thought of that. 
So yeah, you're. 

1669
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:38,120
You're you touched on a lot of 
important concepts there. 

1670
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:43,480
One of them is that eventually, 
early on in early warfare, 

1671
01:19:43,480 --> 01:19:45,720
that's exactly what happened. 
They agreed to fight at a 

1672
01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:47,840
certain place and time. 
Sometimes it was just 

1673
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:49,640
one-on-one. 
It was like a trial by combat. 

1674
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:52,080
Sometimes it was just like 40 
dudes versus 40 dudes. 

1675
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:55,600
So this is this trial by of 
seven is, is reflective of 

1676
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:59,000
something that was true in 
ancient times and they didn't 

1677
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:01,080
involve the peasants. 
That's that's what happened. 

1678
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:02,760
A lot of times they just didn't 
involve the peasants at all. 

1679
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:04,960
It was just the nobles gathering
and fighting and hashing out 

1680
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:07,920
their problems. 
It was a later advancement of 

1681
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:09,720
quote, I guess you could say. 
Actually it was more of a 

1682
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:11,640
sliding backwards of a 
regression A. 

1683
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:13,800
Regression of adding in the. 
Peasants and making them fight 

1684
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:15,360
too. 
And that's part of that came 

1685
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:17,360
from these. 
When you have a powerful nation 

1686
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:19,760
that can go up against a 
powerful nation, what you do is 

1687
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:21,720
you attack their castle, you 
attack their base. 

1688
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:25,880
But the problem is you get these
barren level nobles who are 

1689
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:28,080
permitted to fight. 
They're permitted to conduct 

1690
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:31,000
private wars. 
That the Cursed Kings series, 

1691
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:34,560
which we've cited A bajillion 
times, is an example of a king 

1692
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:37,240
who tried to stop that. 
He's like, no, no more private 

1693
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:39,000
wars. 
Aegon the 5th. 

1694
01:20:39,480 --> 01:20:40,320
This. 
Egg. 

1695
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:42,560
Tried to do the same thing. 
He's like, stop it with the 

1696
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:45,120
private wars, y'all? 
Enough of that. 

1697
01:20:45,440 --> 01:20:47,240
And one of the reasons is 
historically speaking, the 

1698
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:49,880
private wars are can be so much 
more destructive than the big 

1699
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:54,280
ones, which is oddly 
unintuitive, but it's true. 

1700
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:57,160
The reason is think about this. 
I'm a Baron. 

1701
01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:00,120
I got 500 men. 
You're a Baron, you got 500 men.

1702
01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:03,800
500 men is not enough for me to 
take your castle. 500 men is not

1703
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:04,880
enough for you to take my 
castle. 

1704
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:07,720
So what do we do? 
We attack each other's weaker 

1705
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:09,640
spots. 
I attack your village, you 

1706
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:12,000
attack my village, I attack your
village. 

1707
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:14,960
And so the peasants just pay the
price because it's the, they're 

1708
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:18,400
the, they become the targets 
because these guys literally 

1709
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:22,040
can't attack each other's bases.
And this went on for hundreds of

1710
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:23,440
years. 
You also get a. 

1711
01:21:23,440 --> 01:21:27,360
Greater concentration of people 
dying in one little area where 

1712
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:31,120
if, if the, the, the larger, you
know, the levels up and the 

1713
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:35,680
feudal system Lords declare war.
This this village might have had

1714
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:38,520
to give up 20 men to go fight in
some war. 

1715
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:40,840
And all the villages give up 20 
and they all go off and they 

1716
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:42,920
fight in some war. 
And you get, you know, 3000 

1717
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:44,880
people raised. 
But if these villages fight each

1718
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:48,200
other, all 200 of the men go 
fight all 200 of the other men. 

1719
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:49,360
They all end up killing each 
other. 

1720
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:51,520
And two villages are completely 
wiped out instead of a little 

1721
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:53,120
piece of a bunch of villages 
being wiped out. 

1722
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:54,400
Yeah, Yeah, it's totally. 
True. 

1723
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:56,640
And you see that even in modern 
war, sometimes you would have 

1724
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:58,920
because you, like, I think you 
alluded to this a long time ago,

1725
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:01,840
you'll occasionally have units 
that are formed from one town, 

1726
01:22:02,480 --> 01:22:04,640
the 82nd. 
Airborne division is called the 

1727
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:07,400
all American Airborne Division 
because it was the first one 

1728
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:08,880
that had a soldier from every 
state. 

1729
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:12,640
This is like, you know, the 
early 1900s, you know, this is 

1730
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:17,160
it was the American Army was 
still fundamentally going up 

1731
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:20,440
into World War 2. 
Every soldier in a unit was just

1732
01:22:20,480 --> 01:22:23,280
all from some town in North 
Carolina or all from some town 

1733
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:27,160
in Wisconsin or whatever. 
It was a relatively modern war 

1734
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:30,520
that you started to have people 
from enough different areas 

1735
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:34,640
mixed together in army units. 
So 1. 

1736
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:38,200
Last thing about Lance's they 
did start off basically it's 

1737
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:41,000
just Spears on horseback. 
It's kind of a misunderstanding 

1738
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:43,000
that Knights fight with their 
swords a lot. 

1739
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:45,480
They don't really. 
So the sword was like your Plan 

1740
01:22:45,480 --> 01:22:47,640
B weapon when you were a knight 
fighting other Knights. 

1741
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:50,440
A sword is a fantastic weapon 
against unarmored folk, but if 

1742
01:22:50,440 --> 01:22:52,560
you're fighting against someone 
in heavy armor, a sword isn't 

1743
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:54,080
that great, especially compared 
to other things. 

1744
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:57,600
And the sword was often used 
more like a spear or a Mace when

1745
01:22:57,600 --> 01:23:00,680
fighting an armored opponent. 
Your three main nightly weapons 

1746
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:05,960
were the spear, slash, Lance, 
then the poleax, and then the 

1747
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:07,840
dagger. 
Dagger was more important than 

1748
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:09,320
the sword because the dagger is 
what you use when you're 

1749
01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:12,120
wrestling, like which we see 
Dunk get involved in multiple 

1750
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:13,200
times. 
That's when he's at his best 

1751
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:15,840
because of his size. 
So basically over the years, 

1752
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:19,320
it's just a bajillion versions 
of Lance war Lance, jousting 

1753
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:21,520
Lance, this and that. 
At first there were just 

1754
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:23,840
Lance's. 
The jousting Lance was an was a.

1755
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:27,560
Advancement. 
Because of these tournaments 

1756
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:30,080
that weren't meant to be killing
each other, although they were 

1757
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:32,400
clearly still deadly. 
And they invented something 

1758
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:35,720
called the Coronel tip. 
Coronel tip is like a like a 

1759
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:39,880
tripod almost and it's designed 
for unhorsing rather than 

1760
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:43,840
putting all the the force of the
horse and the rider into that 

1761
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:45,800
tip which. 
Would kill. 

1762
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:47,240
Obviously. 
So in a tournament, you change 

1763
01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:51,680
to that point, you have a like 
a, a, a brace, which is better 

1764
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:55,080
for shoving. 
So there you go. 

1765
01:23:55,440 --> 01:23:56,880
That's why. 
So this, these lances would have

1766
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:59,400
had those Coronel tips most 
likely, which was like, yeah, 

1767
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:01,280
they're better at on horsing, 
which they really would be 

1768
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:03,240
better at on horsing because 
they're designed for that. 

1769
01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:06,760
Whereas in a war situation. 
On horsing is. 

1770
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:08,880
Nice. 
But you really just want to kill

1771
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:12,720
them. 
Yeah, getting them off the horse

1772
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:15,080
is great, but they can get up 
and still fight if they're off 

1773
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:17,840
their horse. 
So let's go to the actual trial.

1774
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:23,880
Something that strikes me here 
very majorly in this somewhat 

1775
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:28,560
extended quote, is just how much
Ice and Fire, Others and Dragons

1776
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:32,760
theme work is being done here. 
It's really quite epic. 

1777
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:36,040
Let's have it. 
Roar went up from the crowd. 

1778
01:24:36,440 --> 01:24:38,680
At the North End of the Meadow. 
A column of Knights came 

1779
01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:41,720
trotting out of the river Mist. 
The three Kingsguard came first,

1780
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:44,920
like ghosts in their gleaming 
white enamel armor, long white 

1781
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:47,400
cloaks trailing behind him. 
Even their Shields were white, 

1782
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:49,960
blank and clean as a field of 
new fallen snow. 

1783
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:52,440
Behind rode Prince Makar and his
sons. 

1784
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:55,920
Aryan was mounted on a dapple 
grey, orange and red, flickering

1785
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:59,680
through the slashes in the 
horses caparison at each stride.

1786
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:02,680
His brother's Dexter ear was 
smaller with a smaller Bay 

1787
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:04,840
armored and overlapping black 
and gold scales. 

1788
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:07,360
A green silk plume trailed from 
Darren's helm. 

1789
01:25:07,440 --> 01:25:09,600
It was her father who made the 
most fearsome appearance, 

1790
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:12,800
however. 
Black curved dragon teeth ran 

1791
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:15,840
across his shoulders, along the 
Crest of his helm and down his 

1792
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:19,600
back, and the huge spiked Mace 
strapped to his saddle was its 

1793
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:22,840
was as deadly looking a weapon 
as any Dunk had ever seen. 

1794
01:25:23,440 --> 01:25:24,560
That's. 
What I was saying when I talked 

1795
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:26,280
about Makar looking 
intimidating, I mean picture 

1796
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:28,040
that. 
That is just woof goodness. 

1797
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:33,120
I remember when I was a kid, I 
don't know, kind of probably 

1798
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:35,320
most kids go through phase. 
We're kind of enamoured with 

1799
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:38,760
Knights and medieval kind of 
culture and combat and swords 

1800
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:40,560
and such. 
And I remember thinking that 

1801
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:44,760
ball and chain, I was like, man,
that's it. 

1802
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:46,360
I don't know. 
For some reason in my mind it 

1803
01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:50,000
was like more real that would 
just smash someone's skull in. 

1804
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:52,240
Yeah, it's more. 
Dangerous or scary? 

1805
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:54,000
To me than a sword or whatever 
else. 

1806
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:55,920
Yeah, well, you're not. 
Wrong, apparently that's. 

1807
01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:59,960
Yeah, the the Mace was didn't 
really become a thing until 

1808
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:04,400
armor became a thing. 
I mean, back in the day people 

1809
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:06,200
would fight with clubs and 
Spears. 

1810
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:10,320
You know, clubs became less 
effective when people developed 

1811
01:26:11,440 --> 01:26:14,160
armor and stuff. 
But then so this was an answer 

1812
01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:15,800
to that. 
It was like, what if we make the

1813
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:18,760
ball heavy and spiked and fully 
metal and all that? 

1814
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:22,800
Yep, most of. 
These almost every piece of 

1815
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:27,920
armor or every weapon is an 
answer to a previous armor or 

1816
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:32,000
weapon that gets used regularly.
And that's the the history of 

1817
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:36,000
warfare is is just a history of 
building something that defeats 

1818
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:37,760
the last tool your enemies were 
using. 

1819
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:39,920
Rock, paper, scissors. 
A lot of times it is. 

1820
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:43,240
Yeah, like. 
You go from, oh, this armor bees

1821
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:45,840
to where the, to where the 
proper armor you you get too 

1822
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:46,920
slow. 
OK, well, what if we don't wear 

1823
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:49,360
any armor and like, oh, then now
we're going to change weapons to

1824
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:50,760
fight against people that don't 
wear armor. 

1825
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:53,000
And yeah, just it's very 
cultural. 

1826
01:26:53,440 --> 01:26:57,760
Rock, paper, scissors turns into
knife, gun nuke eventually. 

1827
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:02,560
So what we have here, though, 
the portrayal, the theme work, 

1828
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:04,040
the symbolism here is very 
heavy. 

1829
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:10,120
You got three Dragons, Makar 
Aryan and Deron the dragon with 

1830
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:13,000
three heads and then you have 3 
kings garden, all white. 

1831
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:16,520
So ghost shadows. 
They're they're portrayed as 

1832
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:21,560
pure white snow and ghost. 
Those words are both used. 

1833
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:26,280
Then you have the Dragons with 
all their colors and teeth and 

1834
01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:29,600
it's just over the top awesome 
and. 

1835
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:31,680
Of course there's. 
Also Stephen Fossaway, SO3 

1836
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:34,200
Dragons, 3 white ghosts and an 
apple. 

1837
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:37,280
And that, by the way, it didn't 
occur to. 

1838
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:41,640
Me the, I don't know, allusion 
to the death of those Dragons, 

1839
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:44,040
that the ghosts are accompanying
them? 

1840
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:46,360
Yeah, you can. 
Call and then and who are they 

1841
01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:49,520
lining up to fight it's a 
coalition united by a common 

1842
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:55,840
goal this is Dunk's side is like
mankind all of humanity facing 

1843
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:59,040
these huge supernatural 
challenges is of of the twin 

1844
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:00,760
supernatural challenges of ice 
and fire. 

1845
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:02,880
They got we got to face the 
Dragons, we got to face the 

1846
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:06,240
others. 
And is it going to be enough? 

1847
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:07,200
Do we? 
Are we enough? 

1848
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:08,840
Well, you you want the Dragons 
the. 

1849
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:12,640
Others and the apples, yeah. 
Apple, what is he doing in 

1850
01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:14,840
there? 
Well, they need is the 7th. 

1851
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:16,760
So you got to have that guy. 
Well, it's the he. 

1852
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:20,040
Represents the the humans that 
take the side of of evil, the 

1853
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:21,920
ones who don't stand with their 
fellows. 

1854
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:24,480
Like I'm, I'm making this up as 
I go along, but there's 

1855
01:28:24,480 --> 01:28:28,200
definitely something there, you 
know, the apple as a symbol of, 

1856
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:32,880
of being tempted right by. 
Yeah, by the Yeah. 

1857
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:33,840
Well, that's actually. 
Really good. 

1858
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:37,520
I mean, yeah. 
Because he was tempted by the 

1859
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:40,680
dragon to with rewards to be 
made a Lord. 

1860
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:44,080
Didn't work out, but hey, yeah. 
That might be. 

1861
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:45,600
It, I mean, we're actually 
talking about the faith and the 

1862
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:48,800
seven, which, you know, that is 
the closest to real world 

1863
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:52,040
Catholicism or what have you, 
other Christian versions of 

1864
01:28:52,040 --> 01:28:54,920
Christianity if you prefer. 
Let's talk about the. 

1865
01:28:55,280 --> 01:28:59,520
Fight itself here's a quote 
about his him kind of struggling

1866
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:05,320
to get it going in the fight and
it's very meaningful like this 

1867
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:08,400
is you know, the action itself 
is is interesting. 

1868
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:12,640
You know, it's gripping, but 
George, once again, he does so 

1869
01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:15,960
much with how he describes the 
action that you can make 

1870
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:19,120
connections to elsewhere and you
can really feel for the struggle

1871
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:22,440
like you really feel for dunks 
imposter syndrome here because 

1872
01:29:22,440 --> 01:29:23,800
that's what he's that's what's 
happening, right? 

1873
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:27,960
He's he's losing, but he's not 
like, Oh my God, I'm dying. 

1874
01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:32,120
Oh my God, woe is me. 
No, he's like, I've failed. 

1875
01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:34,600
You know, he's worried about the
people that were counting on 

1876
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:35,960
him, and I just like to see 
that. 

1877
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:39,520
Let's have the quote his long. 
Sort of went spinning from his 

1878
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:41,440
grass in the ground, rose up to 
meet him. 

1879
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:44,640
He landed with a bruising impact
that dragged him to the bone. 

1880
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:47,760
Paint stabbed through him, so, 
so sharp. 

1881
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:49,880
He sobbed. 
For a moment, it was all he 

1882
01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:53,080
could do to lie there. 
Taste of blood filled his mouth.

1883
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:56,200
Hunk the Lunk thought it could 
be a night. 

1884
01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:59,240
He knew he had to find his feet 
again or die. 

1885
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:03,720
So he does find. 
His feet again, but then he gets

1886
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:06,200
smashed. 
It's actually I have these lines

1887
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:08,000
out of order. 
The spiked ball whirled round 

1888
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:10,000
and round the sky and fell 
towards his head as fast as a 

1889
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:12,880
shooting star, which is a call 
back to him. 

1890
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:14,520
Like, oh, the shooting star goes
down. 

1891
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:16,240
That's bad. 
You know what he's like, AM. 

1892
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:20,320
I going to fall as fast and then
indeed. 

1893
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:24,400
The quote he starts like this. 
He broke my. 

1894
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:27,920
Head and I'm dying. 
What was worse was the others 

1895
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:30,680
who would die with them. 
Raymond and Prince Baylor and 

1896
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:32,240
the rest. 
I failed them. 

1897
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:34,840
I'm no champion. 
I'm not even a hedge knight. 

1898
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:37,200
I'm nothing. 
He remembered Prince Darren 

1899
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:40,400
boasting that no one can lie and
sensible in the mud as well as 

1900
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:42,880
he did. 
He never saw a dunk to lunk, 

1901
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:45,160
though, did he? 
Shame was worse than the paint. 

1902
01:30:45,160 --> 01:30:47,720
Yeah, the shame was worse. 
Than the paint and he just said 

1903
01:30:47,720 --> 01:30:50,880
his he broke his head. 
I mean, he was just whacked by a

1904
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:52,880
spiked morning star, for God's 
sake. 

1905
01:30:53,440 --> 01:30:56,360
He's just in horrible pain. 
He's already had a Lance. 

1906
01:30:56,360 --> 01:30:57,680
He's already. 
This is past the point where 

1907
01:30:57,680 --> 01:31:00,080
he's yanked the Lance out of his
side. 

1908
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:02,600
But the shame is worse than the 
pain. 

1909
01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:05,760
This is a man who has a 
humongous heart. 

1910
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:12,720
But here's where we get a 
parallel to perhaps the most 

1911
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:16,280
famous duel in all of A Song of 
Ice and Fire. 

1912
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:20,960
Also a trial by Combat Bill with
only one-on-one, not 7 on 7. 

1913
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:24,960
And that is, well, let's see if 
you can guess as we are reading 

1914
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:26,880
the quote. 
First, the Dunkin Egg quote. 

1915
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:30,800
He rolled into. 
Aryan's legs threw a steel clad 

1916
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:33,800
arm around his thigh, dragged 
him cursing into the mud and 

1917
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:35,400
rolled on top of him. 
OK, so at this. 

1918
01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:39,880
Point when you're a huge man and
you you know, he's wounded so 

1919
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:43,640
it's not definitely over. 
But this point Dunks probably 

1920
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:48,280
going to win almost certainly 
huge guy on top of small guy as 

1921
01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:51,520
close as possible. 
That's what Dunk maybe should 

1922
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:54,680
have been aiming for all along 
to get into a spot like this. 

1923
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:57,120
Because this is as he knows he's
good at this kind of fighting. 

1924
01:31:57,320 --> 01:32:00,880
He's already skilled at it 
because it's part of his 

1925
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:04,040
upbringing, but his size and 
strength make him just 

1926
01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:06,240
overwhelmingly talented at it 
too. 

1927
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:10,640
So if you haven't figured out 
well, here's the quote that this

1928
01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:14,000
lines up with quite nicely. 
Clegane. 

1929
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:16,960
'S hand shot up and grabbed the 
Dornishman behind the knee. 

1930
01:32:17,480 --> 01:32:20,080
The Red Viper brought down the 
great sword in a wild slash, but

1931
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:22,880
he was off balance and edge to 
no more than put another dent in

1932
01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:25,760
the mountains vam brace. 
Then the sword was forgotten as 

1933
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:28,360
Gregor's hand tightened, 
twisted, yanking the Norden's 

1934
01:32:28,360 --> 01:32:30,920
been down on top of him. 
They wrestled in the dust and 

1935
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:33,400
blood, the broken spear wobbling
back and forth. 

1936
01:32:33,720 --> 01:32:36,640
Tyrion saw with horror that the 
Mountain had wrapped one huge 

1937
01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:39,600
arm around the Prince, drawing 
him tight against his chest like

1938
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:42,520
a lover and at. 
That point, it was over, right? 

1939
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:46,080
I mean, there was once. 
Oberon A. 

1940
01:32:46,160 --> 01:32:47,880
Huge advantage. 
Swung the other way. 

1941
01:32:47,880 --> 01:32:48,840
Yeah, right. 
That's. 

1942
01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:50,760
Like he used his spear, his 
reach. 

1943
01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:54,000
He did all these things to keep 
Gregor's size and strength 

1944
01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:57,320
muted. 
But then he got cocky. 

1945
01:32:57,320 --> 01:32:59,200
He got close. 
He taunted him. 

1946
01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:01,160
I thought it was. 
Over. 

1947
01:33:01,280 --> 01:33:03,400
But it wasn't. 
And that's exactly what happened

1948
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:05,120
here. 
Aryan was like, oh, I've got 

1949
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:06,600
you. 
It's over, you know, beg for 

1950
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:07,880
mercy. 
He's trying to get him to talk. 

1951
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:09,320
It's exactly what the Red 
Viper's doing. 

1952
01:33:09,320 --> 01:33:13,040
He's like, admit, admit your 
guilt, you know, and then I'll 

1953
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:14,840
kill you. 
And this is exactly like, yeah, 

1954
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:17,560
admit that you're you're you're 
a loser. 

1955
01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:20,560
And maybe I'll only take your 
hand and maybe we'll leave your 

1956
01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:22,000
foot. 
You know, it's just the same 

1957
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:25,560
kind of gloating. 
He's not after Justice here, 

1958
01:33:25,560 --> 01:33:27,440
unlike the Red Viper. 
There's, you know, you don't. 

1959
01:33:27,440 --> 01:33:30,800
You're not rooting for the guy 
on the ground in that case. 

1960
01:33:31,240 --> 01:33:32,360
You're not rooting for the 
mountain. 

1961
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:36,280
But the physical similarities in
the fights here are just 

1962
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:38,920
unmistakable once you point them
out. 

1963
01:33:39,440 --> 01:33:40,800
What's he start? 
Doing. 

1964
01:33:41,240 --> 01:33:42,680
He starts monologuing. 
Yes. 

1965
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:47,800
Never start. 
Monologuing in a fight. 

1966
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:53,840
Even when your opponent. 
'S down and poisoned and you 

1967
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:57,480
pinned him to the ground with 
his with the spear just to make 

1968
01:33:57,480 --> 01:34:00,120
sure he's dead when he's 8 feet 
tall. 

1969
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:04,000
And this is another parallel we 
have here. 

1970
01:34:04,360 --> 01:34:07,000
I like to bring this one up. 
Nina cited this one. 

1971
01:34:07,280 --> 01:34:11,880
This has been a long time coming
us talking about Brienne and 

1972
01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:16,560
Dunk, but oddly enough, this is 
the first thing we see from 

1973
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:18,680
Brienne. 
So this is a nice long quote but

1974
01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:21,800
we're going to enjoy ourselves 
dissecting it afterwards. 

1975
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:24,480
The White Horse. 
And the black one wield like 

1976
01:34:24,480 --> 01:34:27,840
lovers at a harvest dance, the 
riders throwing steel in place 

1977
01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:30,600
of kisses. 
Long axe flashed in morning Star

1978
01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:32,560
World. 
Both weapons were blunted, yet 

1979
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:35,160
they still raise an awful 
clinger shield list. 

1980
01:34:35,160 --> 01:34:37,640
The blue knight was getting 
much, much the worse of it. 

1981
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:41,640
Soloris rained down blows on his
head and shoulders to shouts of 

1982
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:44,960
high garden from the throng. 
The other gave answer with his 

1983
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:46,400
morning star. 
But whenever the ball came 

1984
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:49,720
crashing ends Loris interpose 
his battered green shield and 

1985
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:53,000
blazing with three golden roses.
When the long ends caught the 

1986
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:56,040
blue Knights hand on the 
backswing and sent the morning 

1987
01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:59,080
star flying from his grass, the 
crowd screamed like a running 

1988
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:01,120
beast. 
The Night of Flowers raised his 

1989
01:35:01,120 --> 01:35:04,280
axe for the final blow. 
The Blue knight charged into it.

1990
01:35:04,480 --> 01:35:07,440
The stallion slammed together. 
The blunted axe had smashed 

1991
01:35:07,440 --> 01:35:10,360
against the scarred blue 
breastplate but somehow the blue

1992
01:35:10,360 --> 01:35:14,120
knight had half had the half 
lock between still gauntleted 

1993
01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:16,280
fingers. 
He wrenched it from swords hand 

1994
01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:19,440
and suddenly the two were 
grappling mount to mount and an 

1995
01:35:19,440 --> 01:35:22,400
instant later they were falling.
As their horses pulled apart, 

1996
01:35:22,400 --> 01:35:24,760
they crashed to the ground with 
bone drawing force. 

1997
01:35:25,240 --> 01:35:27,680
Of course, Tyrell on the bottom 
took the brunt of the impact. 

1998
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:30,560
The Blue Knight pulled a long 
Dirk free and flipped open 

1999
01:35:30,720 --> 01:35:33,120
Tyrell's visor. 
The roar of the crowd was too 

2000
01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:36,800
loud for Caitlin to hear what 
Sir Laura said, where she saw 

2001
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:39,240
the words from his split 
bloodied lips. 

2002
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:41,400
Yield. 
So compare. 

2003
01:35:41,400 --> 01:35:45,200
That to end of the duel here and
it's very similar. 

2004
01:35:46,240 --> 01:35:47,760
A visor is a weak. 
Point here, remember? 

2005
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:50,440
Steely pit point steely Pate 
saying. 

2006
01:35:50,680 --> 01:35:52,520
The Prince had all but ceased to
struggle. 

2007
01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:54,720
His eyes were purple and full of
hair. 

2008
01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:57,800
Dunk had a sudden urge to grab 
one and pop it like a grape 

2009
01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:00,960
between 2 steel fingers. 
But that would not be nightly 

2010
01:36:01,560 --> 01:36:02,920
yield. 
He shouted. 

2011
01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:06,280
I yield. 
Dragon whispered, pale lips 

2012
01:36:06,280 --> 01:36:08,080
barely moving. 
So that was those two. 

2013
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:12,440
Fights spliced together is also 
going to like like a triumvirate

2014
01:36:12,440 --> 01:36:15,600
of fights because dunk versus 
Lucas long inch in the next 

2015
01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:18,240
story is very similar. 
It's the same thing where he 

2016
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:22,600
loses his weapon and then 
charges forward and wins because

2017
01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:24,400
he can out grapple the other 
guy. 

2018
01:36:24,920 --> 01:36:27,560
Now that's a tougher grappling 
because long inch is huge. 

2019
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:31,160
But here it's over really 
quickly because Loris is more 

2020
01:36:31,160 --> 01:36:33,440
like the Red Viper versus the 
Mountain in this case, where 

2021
01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:36,080
he's great at a distance. 
He's an amazing fighter, but 

2022
01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:39,040
once he gets in close combat 
with someone twice his size, 

2023
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:40,920
well, all his advantages are 
gone. 

2024
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:45,040
Notice too. 
Dunk talking about the urge to 

2025
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:48,280
pop his eye, which of course 
given we were just talking about

2026
01:36:48,280 --> 01:36:52,000
the Red Viper in the mountain, 
well, someone did not have any 

2027
01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:55,240
qualms about doing that. 
He didn't care about it. 

2028
01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:56,880
He was not very nightly either. 
He. 

2029
01:36:57,520 --> 01:36:58,720
Was not very. 
Nightly. 

2030
01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:03,760
Nor was yelling out about how he
did those things to his family. 

2031
01:37:04,160 --> 01:37:05,120
Yeah, that's right. 
I'm. 

2032
01:37:05,120 --> 01:37:07,120
Not a knight, and I'm going to 
keep not being a knight. 

2033
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:11,440
Yeah. 
Also, this is a nice little 

2034
01:37:11,440 --> 01:37:15,760
setup for we've got Aryan down 
in the mud all brown, which is, 

2035
01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:17,400
you know, we're about to we're 
going to have that two stories 

2036
01:37:17,400 --> 01:37:20,760
from now when the brown dragon, 
you know, they mocking him for 

2037
01:37:20,760 --> 01:37:23,520
that. 
So it's a brown dragon before 

2038
01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:26,160
the browner dragon. 
We also even have similar 

2039
01:37:26,160 --> 01:37:28,200
weapons at use. 
They're like the morning star 

2040
01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:32,960
being used by Loris versus the 
morning star being used by Aryan

2041
01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:37,080
here. 
And of course, the flicking of 

2042
01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:41,680
the visor open with the dagger, 
that is a similar aspect as 

2043
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:44,200
well. 
Also, when he's getting ready to

2044
01:37:44,200 --> 01:37:48,040
joust, he thinks to himself, my 
Lance is part of my arm. 

2045
01:37:48,200 --> 01:37:51,160
All I have to do is reach out 
and touch him with my one long 

2046
01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:53,320
finger. 
Which hey. 

2047
01:37:53,320 --> 01:37:56,480
Folks, did you? 
Think of Serio saying the sword 

2048
01:37:56,480 --> 01:37:58,520
is part of your arm. 
You cannot drop your arm. 

2049
01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:02,520
So yeah. 
That gave me good feels thinking

2050
01:38:02,520 --> 01:38:06,040
about Serio there. 
Oh, here's a, here's a fun line.

2051
01:38:06,360 --> 01:38:08,320
He pressed his heels. 
Down, tightening his legs with 

2052
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:10,600
all the strength and letting his
body become part of the motion 

2053
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:13,680
of the horse beneath. 
I am Thunder, and Thunder is me.

2054
01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:17,320
We are one and we are one beast.
We are joined, we are one. 

2055
01:38:17,480 --> 01:38:18,800
So he became a. 
Centaur. 

2056
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:22,280
Right there, yeah. 
He switched. 

2057
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:25,680
Centaur has always made me think
of that Center Live skit with 

2058
01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:27,840
Christopher Walken doing the 
interview. 

2059
01:38:28,160 --> 01:38:32,480
Remember that? 
Oh, he said someone comes in for

2060
01:38:32,480 --> 01:38:35,720
the interview and and it's a 
Centaur and, and everyone's 

2061
01:38:35,720 --> 01:38:38,520
being normal at 1st and Chris 
Walker is XO. 

2062
01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:40,600
I'm looking at your resume. 
How long were you at your last 

2063
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:42,240
job? 
Are you? 

2064
01:38:42,240 --> 01:38:44,560
Attracted to horses or women 
and. 

2065
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:47,160
Since I was like. 
Can we just keep the interview 

2066
01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:50,160
to my job call in case you stick
out a sure core but. 

2067
01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:53,080
If you saw the rear end of a 
horse. 

2068
01:38:53,080 --> 01:38:55,240
And didn't know if it was a 
horse or a Centaur. 

2069
01:38:55,480 --> 01:38:58,320
Would you be attracted? 
Like, can we just stick to my 

2070
01:38:58,320 --> 01:38:59,600
qualifications? 
Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

2071
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:02,960
But just tell me what? 
And he's like, I don't know, I 

2072
01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:05,240
guess I'd be attracted. 
It was a horse. 

2073
01:39:07,720 --> 01:39:14,080
It was a a few other. 
Historical quotes here more 

2074
01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:16,600
parallels George showing 
consistency within his world 

2075
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:18,680
building. 
We of course love to draw 

2076
01:39:18,680 --> 01:39:21,920
attention to these things, so 
here's a series of quotes that 

2077
01:39:22,240 --> 01:39:26,160
work together, starting with 
another quote from Oberyn Martel

2078
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:28,760
in the. 
Days of the Targaryens A man who

2079
01:39:28,760 --> 01:39:31,800
struck one of the blood royal 
would lose a hand he struck him 

2080
01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:34,640
with, observed the red Viper of 
Dorn and what does. 

2081
01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:38,120
Baylor Brakespear say here the 
last time a man. 

2082
01:39:38,120 --> 01:39:40,160
Was found guilty of striking one
of royal blood. 

2083
01:39:40,160 --> 01:39:42,200
It was decreed that he should 
lose the offending hand. 

2084
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:45,720
Roose Bolton also. 
Not a big fan of of hands I 

2085
01:39:45,720 --> 01:39:48,720
guess. 
Roose Bolton reached down, 

2086
01:39:48,720 --> 01:39:50,800
snapped the cord and flung the 
hand at Hote. 

2087
01:39:51,200 --> 01:39:53,560
Take this away. 
The sight of it offending an 

2088
01:39:53,560 --> 01:39:54,360
offending. 
Hand. 

2089
01:39:57,280 --> 01:39:59,080
That hand. 
Was already struck off, but. 

2090
01:40:00,840 --> 01:40:02,880
So. 
Jamie hadn't struck any royal 

2091
01:40:02,880 --> 01:40:05,360
blood. 
There was no justification for 

2092
01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:06,320
that. 
Are you sure? 

2093
01:40:06,920 --> 01:40:09,600
He's he killed Aries with that 
hand. 

2094
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:12,080
Oh, right, never mind. 
Yeah, he should have had his 

2095
01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:12,640
hand. 
It was. 

2096
01:40:12,640 --> 01:40:15,160
It was a. 
Long delayed punishment? 

2097
01:40:16,080 --> 01:40:17,360
Yes, 17. 
Years. 

2098
01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:20,960
Later or 18 years old. 
Yep, Yep. 

2099
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:22,280
What's funny is I actually 
didn't. 

2100
01:40:22,280 --> 01:40:23,640
Think of that. 
When I wrote this quote here, I 

2101
01:40:24,200 --> 01:40:26,040
was like, Oh yeah, he really did
strike. 

2102
01:40:26,040 --> 01:40:28,240
He struck him pretty roughly 
there, didn't he? 

2103
01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:34,440
Aegon the force had he tried to 
invade Dorn like so many 

2104
01:40:34,440 --> 01:40:37,280
Targaryen kings, he tried to 
invade Dorn, unlike most of 

2105
01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:41,680
them, was even weaker. 
His was probably the worst 

2106
01:40:41,680 --> 01:40:44,880
attempt of all of them. 
He he actually built Dragons of 

2107
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:49,120
wood and tried to roll them into
Dorn through those hard mountain

2108
01:40:49,120 --> 01:40:51,680
passes. 
And these things were like, 

2109
01:40:51,680 --> 01:40:54,800
meant to shoot wildfire. 
Yes, you heard that right. 

2110
01:40:54,960 --> 01:40:57,560
Wooden Dragons that shoot 
wildfire. 

2111
01:40:58,080 --> 01:41:01,520
He wanted to roll these through 
the mountain passes of Torn. 

2112
01:41:02,320 --> 01:41:02,960
Torn. 
Yeah, it. 

2113
01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:07,560
Didn't work out very well, but 
when you see Tancell's wooden 

2114
01:41:07,560 --> 01:41:10,880
Dragons in the in the puppet 
show, it might be a little 

2115
01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:14,080
something else for them to be 
upset about being mocked over 

2116
01:41:14,840 --> 01:41:17,760
this ridiculous attempt. 
I mean, fair play on mocking 

2117
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:18,960
that, right? 
But still. 

2118
01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:22,840
Still. 
OK, so. 

2119
01:41:22,840 --> 01:41:24,280
Remember when the story was 
written? 

2120
01:41:24,280 --> 01:41:26,440
The Clash of Kings right around 
the same time. 

2121
01:41:26,440 --> 01:41:30,240
So here's another little George 
filling it all out at once. 

2122
01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:32,360
Quote Prince Darren gave it. 
Where? 

2123
01:41:32,360 --> 01:41:34,160
He shrugged. 
It has the truth of it. 

2124
01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:37,000
Aryan's quite the monster. 
Thinks he's a dragon in human 

2125
01:41:37,000 --> 01:41:39,080
form, you know. 
That's why he's so Roth at that 

2126
01:41:39,080 --> 01:41:42,480
puppet show and then here. 
John's first chapter in A Clash 

2127
01:41:42,480 --> 01:41:45,680
of Kings Aryan the. 
Monstrous John knew that name. 

2128
01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:48,840
The Prince who thought he was a 
dragon was one of old man's most

2129
01:41:48,840 --> 01:41:50,960
gruesome tales. 
His little brother Bran had 

2130
01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:52,720
loved him it. 
Reminds me of when. 

2131
01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:55,160
Darren says too bad he wasn't 
born a fossil wave. 

2132
01:41:57,680 --> 01:41:58,840
True that they'll. 
Have a lot less to. 

2133
01:41:58,840 --> 01:42:00,320
Worry about if he thought he was
an apple. 

2134
01:42:00,440 --> 01:42:02,200
True that. 
True that. 

2135
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:07,440
So this is the first trial in 
seven in a century, according to

2136
01:42:07,440 --> 01:42:09,560
the Laughing Storm. 
You know, of course, that we 

2137
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:12,360
would be on point with telling 
you about that, but we don't 

2138
01:42:12,360 --> 01:42:15,280
know what that one was. 
The only other trial of seven we

2139
01:42:15,280 --> 01:42:17,840
know of is from Magor the Cruel,
and he fought a group of the 

2140
01:42:17,840 --> 01:42:20,200
warrior sons. 
Now, Baylor pretty much the 

2141
01:42:20,200 --> 01:42:23,680
opposite of Magor. 
Yeah, Magor kind of pretty much 

2142
01:42:23,680 --> 01:42:27,640
an opposite to Dunk as well, 
although maybe through the 

2143
01:42:28,160 --> 01:42:30,880
transitive property, Magor is a 
lot like Gregor. 

2144
01:42:31,080 --> 01:42:33,440
The parallels we've we've shown 
between those two are are 

2145
01:42:33,760 --> 01:42:36,160
overwhelming. 
And of course, as a mirror 

2146
01:42:36,160 --> 01:42:39,080
image, like Baylor is a mirror, 
the opposite of Magor in a lot 

2147
01:42:39,080 --> 01:42:40,120
of ways. 
Well, here you go. 

2148
01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:42,600
Dunk being the opposite of 
Gregor is something that we've 

2149
01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:45,680
come back to many times. 
So these things sort of fit 

2150
01:42:45,680 --> 01:42:49,200
together now. 
Magor had been stripped of his 

2151
01:42:49,200 --> 01:42:52,160
position of hand to the king 
after taking a second wife 

2152
01:42:52,160 --> 01:42:54,920
without permission and refusing 
to undo it. 

2153
01:42:55,680 --> 01:42:58,720
So he went into exile. 
And when he came back upon his 

2154
01:42:58,720 --> 01:43:00,800
brother's death, he's like, I'm 
the king now. 

2155
01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:02,440
And some other folk were like, 
are you? 

2156
01:43:02,840 --> 01:43:07,560
And well, they fought this trial
of seven over that question. 

2157
01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:09,560
So talk. 
About. 

2158
01:43:09,560 --> 01:43:14,040
The opposite of like political 
importance on this on the you 

2159
01:43:14,040 --> 01:43:16,960
know, on the surface here you've
got a hedge knight being a true 

2160
01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:19,520
knight, rounding out his seven 
with bail or break spear. 

2161
01:43:19,680 --> 01:43:22,200
Instead, we have the usurper 
Magor the Cruel, who had been 

2162
01:43:22,200 --> 01:43:26,040
the youngest knight in the 
realm, so very, very openly a 

2163
01:43:26,040 --> 01:43:28,680
knight in deserving of it in 
terms of his martial prowess and

2164
01:43:28,680 --> 01:43:30,840
very undeserving of it in terms 
of his personality. 

2165
01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:33,360
Magor was challenged over his 
right to rule, so the stakes 

2166
01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:36,080
could not have been higher. 
Instead of the life of a hedge 

2167
01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:38,720
knight, you've got the actual 
throne, right? 

2168
01:43:39,040 --> 01:43:44,240
He's having a trial by 7:00 to 
take the throne away from these 

2169
01:43:44,680 --> 01:43:47,360
warriors sons who were arguing 
he doesn't have the right. 

2170
01:43:47,560 --> 01:43:50,880
Like Baylor, Magor doesn't have 
the Kingsguard on hand to fight 

2171
01:43:50,880 --> 01:43:52,480
with him. 
He basically. 

2172
01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:55,760
He came back from exile. 
Stopped on Dragonstone got 

2173
01:43:55,760 --> 01:43:58,480
crowned and then flew to King's 
Landing to claim the crown so 

2174
01:43:58,480 --> 01:44:01,240
the kingsguard you know they 
weren't what are they going to 

2175
01:44:01,240 --> 01:44:05,000
ride on the back of his dragon 
with him so this is pretty cool 

2176
01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:07,520
here's another quote this this 
should ring familiar kind of 

2177
01:44:07,520 --> 01:44:11,000
like the the our lead into the 
red Viper quote this should be 

2178
01:44:11,000 --> 01:44:14,520
very familiar and it's very cool
many turned. 

2179
01:44:14,520 --> 01:44:18,080
Away in fear or pretended today 
to not hear For the prowess of 

2180
01:44:18,080 --> 01:44:21,240
the warriors song was known to 
all, But at last one man offered

2181
01:44:21,240 --> 01:44:24,280
himself no knight, but a simple 
man at arms who called himself 

2182
01:44:24,280 --> 01:44:25,560
Dick bean. 
I've been a. 

2183
01:44:25,560 --> 01:44:28,120
King's man since I was a boy, he
said. 

2184
01:44:28,240 --> 01:44:31,080
I mean to die a King's man I've 
been to. 

2185
01:44:31,120 --> 01:44:33,240
Dirt I love. 
That. 

2186
01:44:34,280 --> 01:44:37,040
Only then did the first night 
step forward. 

2187
01:44:37,120 --> 01:44:39,040
This bean shames us all, he 
shouted. 

2188
01:44:39,320 --> 01:44:41,960
Are there no true Knights here? 
No Leo men? 

2189
01:44:42,200 --> 01:44:45,880
The speaker was Bernard Brune, 
Squire, who had slain Heron the 

2190
01:44:45,880 --> 01:44:47,600
Red and been knighted by King 
Anise. 

2191
01:44:48,040 --> 01:44:50,800
King Anise himself. 
His scorn drove the others to 

2192
01:44:50,800 --> 01:44:52,680
offer their swords. 
So instead of a bean. 

2193
01:44:52,680 --> 01:44:55,120
We got an egg, I suppose. 
I don't know. 

2194
01:44:55,760 --> 01:44:58,160
Yeah, but. 
This is. 

2195
01:44:58,160 --> 01:45:02,760
Very similar right to are there 
no true Knights among you like I

2196
01:45:02,760 --> 01:45:05,960
like it's like no one comes 
except for no one actually comes

2197
01:45:05,960 --> 01:45:09,200
forward except for Baylor in 
that case. 

2198
01:45:09,200 --> 01:45:12,520
But here it works because it's 
kind of the reverse. 

2199
01:45:12,520 --> 01:45:16,120
It's the the hedge knight is the
one stepping forward to defend 

2200
01:45:16,120 --> 01:45:18,600
the king rather than the hedge 
knight asking for help against 

2201
01:45:18,600 --> 01:45:20,680
the royal family. 
So you can kind of the, the 

2202
01:45:20,680 --> 01:45:22,800
politics of the situation are 
pretty straightforward in terms 

2203
01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:27,120
of how it plays out. 
But in terms of standing as a 

2204
01:45:27,320 --> 01:45:32,120
mirror image slash parallel or 
as a example of this, it's quite

2205
01:45:32,120 --> 01:45:33,720
similar in a lot of ways. 
And I think it's pretty neat. 

2206
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:36,720
Of course, it's much bloodier 
Magor. 

2207
01:45:36,720 --> 01:45:41,720
Of those 14, only Magor survived
in his battle, whereas here, 

2208
01:45:42,320 --> 01:45:45,040
none of the guys on the losing 
side actually die. 

2209
01:45:45,040 --> 01:45:48,480
Three guys on the winning side 
die and no one on the losing 

2210
01:45:48,480 --> 01:45:50,520
side. 
So that's kind of odd, but hey, 

2211
01:45:50,520 --> 01:45:55,520
that's what happens. 
Now we have also even the ending

2212
01:45:55,520 --> 01:45:58,000
point has sort of a reverse to 
it. 

2213
01:45:58,280 --> 01:46:00,760
Now what happens with Baylor? 
He's like, he looks like he's 

2214
01:46:00,760 --> 01:46:02,080
fine. 
Maybe there's a little, maybe 

2215
01:46:02,080 --> 01:46:03,440
there's a little clue 
something's wrong because his 

2216
01:46:03,440 --> 01:46:07,360
speech is slurring, but he 
doesn't die till the helmet 

2217
01:46:07,360 --> 01:46:09,520
comes off, right? 
Well, check. 

2218
01:46:09,520 --> 01:46:14,240
This out what happens to Magor 
right here even as he fell. 

2219
01:46:14,440 --> 01:46:17,000
Sir William dealt the King a 
terrible blow to the head, 

2220
01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:18,800
cracked his helm and left him in
sensate. 

2221
01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:21,440
Many thought Magor dead until 
his mother removed his broken 

2222
01:46:21,440 --> 01:46:22,600
helm. 
So. 

2223
01:46:23,960 --> 01:46:26,040
This magor. 
Was dead until they removed his 

2224
01:46:26,040 --> 01:46:29,440
helm, whereas Baylor is alive 
until they removed his helm. 

2225
01:46:30,200 --> 01:46:31,160
The. 
Baylor. 

2226
01:46:31,160 --> 01:46:37,440
Scene where his just brain falls
out is the the most disturbing 

2227
01:46:37,440 --> 01:46:39,760
and visceral scene in all the 
books to me. 

2228
01:46:40,280 --> 01:46:45,240
Like, I see it the most clearly 
and next to Oprah and getting 

2229
01:46:45,240 --> 01:46:48,280
his head exploded. 
And that was on TV. 

2230
01:46:48,280 --> 01:46:50,320
So I, you know, have a visual 
there. 

2231
01:46:50,320 --> 01:46:53,280
And here I don't even have a 
strong visual from anything 

2232
01:46:53,280 --> 01:46:57,200
except I just, I can, like, hear
it in my head, like the swelps 

2233
01:46:57,200 --> 01:46:59,320
of it plopping down. 
Yeah. 

2234
01:46:59,440 --> 01:47:01,640
Have you been exposed? 
To any zombies you don't have 

2235
01:47:01,680 --> 01:47:05,520
craving this brain, are you? 
Well, that's a great. 

2236
01:47:05,560 --> 01:47:09,120
That's a great segue to a topic 
that's almost next. 

2237
01:47:09,120 --> 01:47:12,280
We'll just jump ahead to it. 
But before we do that, I wonder 

2238
01:47:12,280 --> 01:47:15,640
about this trial of 17, Like 
most of the major events in the 

2239
01:47:15,640 --> 01:47:18,120
Song of Ice and Fire history, 
especially the ones that 

2240
01:47:18,120 --> 01:47:21,240
happened more than once, are 
setups for it to happen during a

2241
01:47:21,240 --> 01:47:23,080
Song of Ice and Fire. 
Is there going to be a trial by 

2242
01:47:23,080 --> 01:47:24,360
7? 
We got that question. 

2243
01:47:24,360 --> 01:47:27,720
From Julie A asked what 
scenarios are likely to have one

2244
01:47:27,720 --> 01:47:30,680
and obviously the ones you 
immediately would think of are 

2245
01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:34,440
Cersei, Marjorie. 
Who else would be on a trial? 

2246
01:47:34,440 --> 01:47:37,440
I don't know. 
We have a tourney happening up 

2247
01:47:37,440 --> 01:47:39,320
where Sansa is. 
Yeah, the current of the wing 

2248
01:47:39,320 --> 01:47:39,520
night. 
So. 

2249
01:47:39,520 --> 01:47:41,440
You wonder if there could be 
some similar kind of thing where

2250
01:47:41,440 --> 01:47:43,480
like someone doesn't have the 
people to fight for them, that 

2251
01:47:43,480 --> 01:47:45,560
kind of thing where they have to
like, yeah, I don't know who 

2252
01:47:45,560 --> 01:47:48,080
would. 
Be on trial at that tourney. 

2253
01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:52,160
That is one of the places I 
think of, but I think it's far 

2254
01:47:52,160 --> 01:47:55,680
more likely to happen for 
Marjorie or Cersei. 

2255
01:47:55,680 --> 01:47:58,280
Yeah, like the other. 
Notion of the faith fighting 

2256
01:47:58,280 --> 01:48:00,760
Megor just makes you think of 
Cersei, right? 

2257
01:48:00,760 --> 01:48:03,560
Like fighting against Gregor or 
something, right? 

2258
01:48:04,920 --> 01:48:07,120
So. 
Yeah, I think, I think spinning 

2259
01:48:07,120 --> 01:48:10,200
it around Cersei's arc makes the
most sense, perhaps because of 

2260
01:48:10,200 --> 01:48:12,680
for going against the faith. 
So I think that might be a maybe

2261
01:48:12,680 --> 01:48:14,560
it's going to come much later. 
Maybe it's like a dream of 

2262
01:48:14,560 --> 01:48:16,080
spring thing. 
Maybe it's like after the 

2263
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:19,720
Dragons and others are beating 
them, the the land is trying to 

2264
01:48:20,080 --> 01:48:21,920
fix itself in the great 
aftermath period. 

2265
01:48:21,920 --> 01:48:22,920
Maybe that's when this will 
happen. 

2266
01:48:23,360 --> 01:48:25,760
So that was a great Segway of 
share bringing up the the gross 

2267
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:29,320
brain part, because it's so it 
is really tragic. 

2268
01:48:29,720 --> 01:48:31,960
You can't even people that get 
it. 

2269
01:48:31,960 --> 01:48:33,880
They understand what happened. 
They still can't help resent 

2270
01:48:33,880 --> 01:48:39,480
dunk because it's just the pain 
the realm is going to suffer and

2271
01:48:39,480 --> 01:48:42,520
they can predict they'll suffer 
without Baylor is is just so 

2272
01:48:42,520 --> 01:48:47,000
heavy, but quite possibly 
written with some real world 

2273
01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:49,400
sorrow. 
Mick mingled into it. 

2274
01:48:49,560 --> 01:48:52,400
And you touched on the reason 
this is so meaningful. 

2275
01:48:52,400 --> 01:48:54,360
Is this brain bit that you're 
talking about. 

2276
01:48:54,840 --> 01:48:57,440
OK, this comes from Steven 
Atwell. 

2277
01:48:57,440 --> 01:48:59,560
Shout out to Steven Atwell. 
Race for the Iron throne. 

2278
01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:01,440
Great. 
A song of ice and fire thinker. 

2279
01:49:01,440 --> 01:49:05,320
Nina pointed this out to us and 
that he's written about this. 

2280
01:49:05,840 --> 01:49:11,760
Think about JFK, OK JFK was 
killed when George was 15 years 

2281
01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:14,440
old. 
George's family was Roman 

2282
01:49:14,440 --> 01:49:18,440
Catholic Democrats. 
JFK is one of the most popular. 

2283
01:49:18,440 --> 01:49:21,560
Presidents of all time, 
especially among people with 

2284
01:49:21,560 --> 01:49:25,000
that background, Roman Catholic 
Democrats, right? 

2285
01:49:25,000 --> 01:49:28,000
Like, that is the bullseye. 
I mean, that's literally what 

2286
01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:30,200
JFK was, a Roman Catholic 
Democrat. 

2287
01:49:30,520 --> 01:49:34,880
So this is a handsome, 
charismatic leader who was 

2288
01:49:35,080 --> 01:49:38,400
killed. 
You know, the assassination and 

2289
01:49:38,400 --> 01:49:42,120
the descriptions of his death 
involve the brain, his a piece 

2290
01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:44,560
of his brain of coming out. 
And that was the fatal shot. 

2291
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:48,480
He was shot in this in the back 
of the head, the same spot where

2292
01:49:48,480 --> 01:49:51,760
Baylor was killed. 
So it's the same wound, the same

2293
01:49:51,760 --> 01:49:56,000
sort of like promise unrealized 
for this leader that so many 

2294
01:49:56,000 --> 01:49:59,480
people cared a lot about. 
I mean, folks, it's hard to in 

2295
01:49:59,480 --> 01:50:01,520
part if you didn't live through 
it. 

2296
01:50:01,520 --> 01:50:04,280
I didn't live through it, but 
it's a but hearing people talk 

2297
01:50:04,280 --> 01:50:06,160
about this is how popular JFK 
was. 

2298
01:50:06,160 --> 01:50:10,280
It really does give this Baylor 
vibe of just how tragic his 

2299
01:50:10,280 --> 01:50:14,640
death was and, and how, you 
know, the nation was so sad. 

2300
01:50:14,640 --> 01:50:17,120
Like people, people would put 
JFK pictures next to Jesus. 

2301
01:50:17,120 --> 01:50:20,480
You know, like they it was it. 
Was like the. 

2302
01:50:20,480 --> 01:50:24,040
Patriots, Jesus and JFK. 
And I have to. 

2303
01:50:24,040 --> 01:50:27,280
Think. 
People like George and, you 

2304
01:50:27,280 --> 01:50:31,400
know, other Kennedy Heights. 
No, I'm just, I have to think 

2305
01:50:31,400 --> 01:50:36,760
that the people back then, when 
terrible things happened in the 

2306
01:50:36,760 --> 01:50:40,800
future, at least for the next 10
years or so, they had to be 

2307
01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:44,600
thinking in the back of their 
mind, if Kennedy had stayed, you

2308
01:50:44,600 --> 01:50:47,760
know, president, this would not 
have happened. 

2309
01:50:48,080 --> 01:50:49,880
And what? 
Come what comes after this, 

2310
01:50:49,880 --> 01:50:52,480
right, more turmoil and death 
for the Targaryens. 

2311
01:50:52,480 --> 01:50:55,360
Well Robert Kennedy was 
assassinated a few years later, 

2312
01:50:55,600 --> 01:50:58,280
so it's like that also 
continued. 

2313
01:50:58,280 --> 01:51:01,040
So I don't know does do you have
any take on any of this Sean or 

2314
01:51:01,040 --> 01:51:03,600
is this kind of it never. 
Occurred to me. 

2315
01:51:03,600 --> 01:51:07,040
But when you talk about it, I 
feel like it's got to have an 

2316
01:51:07,040 --> 01:51:08,880
influence. 
George's writing here, even if 

2317
01:51:08,880 --> 01:51:11,640
it was subconscious, you know, 
like I went searching. 

2318
01:51:11,640 --> 01:51:14,520
In his SSM to see if he talks 
about Kennedy or or anything 

2319
01:51:14,520 --> 01:51:15,680
like that. 
I couldn't find any direct 

2320
01:51:15,680 --> 01:51:18,000
reference to it, but the 
circumstantial evidence is 

2321
01:51:18,000 --> 01:51:20,400
pretty damn strong. 
Yeah. 

2322
01:51:21,480 --> 01:51:22,720
OK. 
So that. 

2323
01:51:22,720 --> 01:51:23,760
Yeah. 
So it is really sad. 

2324
01:51:23,760 --> 01:51:25,280
The funeral really does reflect 
that. 

2325
01:51:25,280 --> 01:51:27,400
So you kind of wonder if he was 
trying to channel some of that. 

2326
01:51:27,960 --> 01:51:29,280
It's funny. 
I went looking for just like, 

2327
01:51:29,280 --> 01:51:32,200
more like Ashford Meadow. 
Is that like Grassy Knoll? 

2328
01:51:32,200 --> 01:51:34,000
I don't know. 
You know, it's just like really 

2329
01:51:34,000 --> 01:51:36,680
trying to like find more about 
this, but I think. 

2330
01:51:36,680 --> 01:51:38,280
The basics, really. 
Do the work. 

2331
01:51:38,280 --> 01:51:40,600
You don't really need more 
details to to feel this 

2332
01:51:40,600 --> 01:51:43,200
connection. 
So yeah, so there's that sort of

2333
01:51:43,200 --> 01:51:46,240
like great loss of what could 
have been and you know what was 

2334
01:51:46,240 --> 01:51:50,040
instead. 
And that leads us to, did you 

2335
01:51:50,040 --> 01:51:52,560
have anything more to say about 
the, the funeral or the bargain 

2336
01:51:52,560 --> 01:51:56,320
or or the the trial itself? 
So much of it we talked about. 

2337
01:51:56,320 --> 01:51:57,760
OK, Yeah. 
I don't. 

2338
01:51:57,760 --> 01:51:58,840
Think I have anything in? 
Particular. 

2339
01:51:58,920 --> 01:52:01,280
OK, I'll I'll add. 
This comment right now from 

2340
01:52:01,280 --> 01:52:03,480
Guinevere Greenstones about the 
trial. 

2341
01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:07,600
Might Jamie pull a Tyrion and 
request a trial of seven from 

2342
01:52:07,600 --> 01:52:10,640
Catlin that would bring in the 
Duncan Brienne parallel? 

2343
01:52:10,640 --> 01:52:12,400
I wonder if they. 
Would accept that. 

2344
01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:14,840
I wonder. 
If we're past that point, who I,

2345
01:52:15,080 --> 01:52:18,240
I'm, who would even be involved?
I hadn't considered it. 

2346
01:52:18,320 --> 01:52:20,320
I wonder if Jamie could even. 
Jamie would be maybe the one to 

2347
01:52:20,440 --> 01:52:22,160
struggle, to find seven people 
to fight for him. 

2348
01:52:22,160 --> 01:52:25,520
Yeah, exactly. 
Yeah. 

2349
01:52:25,560 --> 01:52:29,360
So when they're faced with this 
night, we we move from the 

2350
01:52:29,360 --> 01:52:31,720
sorrow of the tournament. 
We move from Valar. 

2351
01:52:32,520 --> 01:52:34,200
You just you can't you just feel
bad for the kid? 

2352
01:52:34,200 --> 01:52:35,280
We don't know very much about 
him. 

2353
01:52:35,280 --> 01:52:37,280
We know he become I I need the 
correct thing. 

2354
01:52:37,280 --> 01:52:39,560
I said earlier, we don't know 
how competent he was. 

2355
01:52:39,720 --> 01:52:41,480
We do know he becomes hand after
this. 

2356
01:52:41,480 --> 01:52:44,720
He takes his father's job, which
might have been politics, but 

2357
01:52:45,200 --> 01:52:48,240
probably not because Daron was a
good king. 

2358
01:52:48,240 --> 01:52:50,760
I mean, he's Daron the goods. 
He probably didn't just make 

2359
01:52:50,760 --> 01:52:54,640
this guy his hand because he's 
his nephew in the air, but he 

2360
01:52:54,640 --> 01:52:56,560
might have. 
Either way, it didn't last long 

2361
01:52:56,560 --> 01:52:58,280
because the sickness came along 
so quickly. 

2362
01:52:58,640 --> 01:53:00,240
Yeah, You feel kind of feel bad 
for him. 

2363
01:53:01,000 --> 01:53:07,520
Makar summons Dunk and before he
goes to see Dunk, he once again,

2364
01:53:07,800 --> 01:53:10,400
while he's thinking about it, 
rather he's thinking about 

2365
01:53:10,480 --> 01:53:12,600
dragonflies. 
Well, we get another quote. 

2366
01:53:12,920 --> 01:53:15,760
What shall it? 
Be Dunk, he asked himself. 

2367
01:53:16,000 --> 01:53:20,120
Dragonflies or Dragons? 
A few days ago, he would have 

2368
01:53:20,120 --> 01:53:22,680
answered it once. 
It was all he had ever dreamed. 

2369
01:53:22,840 --> 01:53:26,800
But now that the prospect was at
hand, it frightened him. 

2370
01:53:27,120 --> 01:53:31,960
Just before Prince Baylord died,
I swore to be his man. 

2371
01:53:32,120 --> 01:53:33,920
Yeah, that's. 
Really a big deal. 

2372
01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:37,480
He he's that vow. 
This is very Jamie, right? 

2373
01:53:37,480 --> 01:53:40,800
Jamie becomes someone that 
decides that his vows are 

2374
01:53:40,800 --> 01:53:42,720
important, even even though he's
broken so many of them. 

2375
01:53:42,720 --> 01:53:44,400
He's like, I'm not doing that 
anymore. 

2376
01:53:45,240 --> 01:53:48,720
You can't make up for vows I've 
broken, but I'm going to hold my

2377
01:53:48,720 --> 01:53:50,720
vows from now on. 
Like if I swear something 

2378
01:53:50,960 --> 01:53:52,800
sticking to it. 
And he, he really seems to. 

2379
01:53:52,800 --> 01:53:55,280
But once again, because we can 
see in his head, we know he 

2380
01:53:55,280 --> 01:53:58,040
means it. 
And this seems to be kind of a 

2381
01:53:58,040 --> 01:54:00,400
key decision here. 
It's not really about what Dunk 

2382
01:54:00,400 --> 01:54:02,840
wants. 
It's about what Dunk has already

2383
01:54:02,840 --> 01:54:05,640
agreed to, right? 
He's already given his word, 

2384
01:54:05,640 --> 01:54:06,720
even though it was to a dead 
man. 

2385
01:54:07,800 --> 01:54:09,800
What does that? 
Say to you, Sean, what do you, 

2386
01:54:09,800 --> 01:54:11,680
what does that? 
How does that resonate with you?

2387
01:54:11,680 --> 01:54:14,680
This notion that there's a 
promise stronger when you make 

2388
01:54:14,680 --> 01:54:17,560
it to a dead person? 
Does that kind of carry you like

2389
01:54:17,560 --> 01:54:19,000
a sense of from a sense of 
humanity? 

2390
01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:21,960
They can't do it. 
You have to does there and an 

2391
01:54:21,960 --> 01:54:24,160
emotion behind that that isn't 
present when you swear to 

2392
01:54:24,160 --> 01:54:26,960
someone who's still alive. 
It's kind of hard to hard to 

2393
01:54:26,960 --> 01:54:27,400
parse. 
Yeah, I. 

2394
01:54:27,400 --> 01:54:29,960
Think it could go? 
Either way, and I think there's 

2395
01:54:29,960 --> 01:54:34,040
other factors involved because I
can't imagine someone feeling 

2396
01:54:34,040 --> 01:54:36,960
more committed than ever, but I 
can also imagine someone feeling

2397
01:54:36,960 --> 01:54:40,560
like I guess it doesn't matter 
anymore and it might come down 

2398
01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:42,720
again. 
It might been person to person, 

2399
01:54:42,720 --> 01:54:46,480
like some people might use it as
an excuse to not have to fulfill

2400
01:54:46,480 --> 01:54:48,680
some obligation, where some 
people might use it as 

2401
01:54:48,680 --> 01:54:51,560
motivation to fulfill an 
obligation, but some people 

2402
01:54:51,560 --> 01:54:55,200
might use it as a legitimate 
reason to not pursue something 

2403
01:54:55,200 --> 01:54:58,040
that's not practical, you know? 
Yeah, it'll be. 

2404
01:54:58,080 --> 01:55:00,200
Very fair or otherwise? 
Yeah, it'll vary person to 

2405
01:55:00,200 --> 01:55:03,640
person, society to society, I 
guess. 

2406
01:55:03,640 --> 01:55:06,360
Task to task, certainly. 
That's a good point. 

2407
01:55:06,360 --> 01:55:07,280
Yeah, a good said. 
Yeah. 

2408
01:55:07,360 --> 01:55:10,480
And that that was particularly 
important here because can I 

2409
01:55:10,480 --> 01:55:12,640
just say real? 
Quick Yeah, I want to make a 

2410
01:55:12,640 --> 01:55:15,600
reference to King of the Hill, 
where Cotton Hill is going to 

2411
01:55:15,600 --> 01:55:18,120
die. 
And he tells his son Hank, he's 

2412
01:55:18,120 --> 01:55:22,560
supposed to cut his head off and
deliver it to Japan. 

2413
01:55:22,560 --> 01:55:25,080
And. 
Hank's like. 

2414
01:55:25,160 --> 01:55:33,920
Oh, I guess I got to do it. 
Sir Arlen House motto Ha tell 

2415
01:55:33,920 --> 01:55:37,560
you what? 
His sigil. 

2416
01:55:37,560 --> 01:55:44,560
Is the blue flame of propane. 
Right in this moment. 

2417
01:55:44,560 --> 01:55:48,480
He's thinking about what to do. 
Makar also brings up the fact 

2418
01:55:48,480 --> 01:55:51,600
that they're both going to be 
the guy that is blamed for 

2419
01:55:51,600 --> 01:55:53,160
Baylor's death for the rest of 
their lives. 

2420
01:55:53,520 --> 01:55:57,120
So the fact that that point 
being raised as he's thinking of

2421
01:55:57,120 --> 01:55:59,960
the fact that he swore to be 
Baylor's man is going to really 

2422
01:56:00,240 --> 01:56:03,000
for a man like Dunk, that's 
going to hit pretty hard 

2423
01:56:03,040 --> 01:56:06,480
thinking having those two ideas 
side by side like that. 

2424
01:56:06,680 --> 01:56:10,440
Like, yeah, I got to I swore to 
be his man and to be like that, 

2425
01:56:10,520 --> 01:56:12,400
this kind of person. 
He kind of already is like that.

2426
01:56:12,400 --> 01:56:16,880
But yeah, all the more reason to
live what you swore when when 

2427
01:56:16,880 --> 01:56:18,520
you're going to be when 
everyone's going to blame you 

2428
01:56:18,520 --> 01:56:20,320
for killing the guy. 
Is he thinking? 

2429
01:56:20,320 --> 01:56:22,000
He's sort of cursed. 
Yeah, right. 

2430
01:56:22,000 --> 01:56:23,600
Yeah, like. 
It's not like a supernatural 

2431
01:56:23,600 --> 01:56:26,600
curse, but it's, yeah, a social,
yes. 

2432
01:56:26,880 --> 01:56:28,960
Very much. 
True, it arguably it's worse for

2433
01:56:28,960 --> 01:56:33,520
Megor because he's or Megar 
because it's it's not for for 

2434
01:56:33,520 --> 01:56:37,240
Dunk, it's at least not 
kinsling, but this it's pretty 

2435
01:56:37,240 --> 01:56:39,960
bad from a kinsling perspective.
Well, I was kind of just. 

2436
01:56:39,960 --> 01:56:44,560
Picturing Dunk being like anyone
I swear to is colored by this 

2437
01:56:44,560 --> 01:56:48,520
and maybe doomed a little bit. 
All the more reason to stick. 

2438
01:56:48,520 --> 01:56:52,280
With egg I suppose. 
Eggs was like yeah, well, I. 

2439
01:56:52,280 --> 01:56:55,560
I forgive you for that. 
Yeah, I really. 

2440
01:56:55,560 --> 01:56:57,480
Liked that. 
I really did appreciate that, 

2441
01:56:58,200 --> 01:57:02,640
that conversation between Makar 
and Duncan and the aftermath in 

2442
01:57:02,640 --> 01:57:05,720
general, I think did a good job 
of dealing with the 

2443
01:57:05,720 --> 01:57:09,360
repercussions. 
But on both the personal level 

2444
01:57:09,360 --> 01:57:12,800
and and the effects of the, I 
don't know that the politics of 

2445
01:57:12,800 --> 01:57:15,040
the realm or whatever, you know?
Yeah, yeah. 

2446
01:57:15,720 --> 01:57:19,440
It's neat too, thinking about 
how similar this is to Stannis 

2447
01:57:19,960 --> 01:57:21,840
with Renly, right? 
Oh yeah, right. 

2448
01:57:21,840 --> 01:57:23,840
Like the whole. 
People say, like, I don't, he 

2449
01:57:23,840 --> 01:57:26,800
doesn't even remember doing it. 
He's like, I, I must have hit 

2450
01:57:26,800 --> 01:57:29,080
him, you know, there. 
I don't even remember doing it, 

2451
01:57:29,080 --> 01:57:32,200
though, which is Stannis saying 
he doesn't remember the dream. 

2452
01:57:32,320 --> 01:57:34,680
He's like, I have this dream, 
but when I woke up, my hands 

2453
01:57:34,680 --> 01:57:35,720
were clean. 
How could I have been there? 

2454
01:57:35,720 --> 01:57:37,000
Like he doesn't make sense to 
him. 

2455
01:57:37,000 --> 01:57:40,920
It's very surreal, but there's 
no doubt right in the reader's 

2456
01:57:40,920 --> 01:57:44,280
mind, right, that he was, that 
he's partly responsible. 

2457
01:57:44,640 --> 01:57:47,000
The insurance and outs, the 
logistics of it aren't clear, 

2458
01:57:47,160 --> 01:57:49,000
just as they aren't here, 
although they're a little 

2459
01:57:49,000 --> 01:57:51,840
simpler here, but still very, 
very similar. 

2460
01:57:52,400 --> 01:57:57,200
And I love too, that when Dunk 
confronts Makar with the point 

2461
01:57:57,200 --> 01:58:01,240
about roughing it and how maybe 
roughing it would be good for 

2462
01:58:01,240 --> 01:58:03,480
Egg, do you remember his 
reaction? 

2463
01:58:04,320 --> 01:58:05,920
I. 
I don't I don't know if there's 

2464
01:58:05,920 --> 01:58:09,080
an exact quote, but I I my my 
memory is that he was like. 

2465
01:58:11,000 --> 01:58:13,720
He does just walk. 
Off but his jaw, his jaw moves 

2466
01:58:13,720 --> 01:58:14,960
back and forth. 
Oh, that's. 

2467
01:58:14,960 --> 01:58:16,920
Right, like grits his jaw like 
standards. 

2468
01:58:16,920 --> 01:58:19,000
Yeah, it's not the grinding. 
It's not the grinding, but it's 

2469
01:58:19,000 --> 01:58:20,960
very similar. 
Yeah. 

2470
01:58:21,200 --> 01:58:25,120
So it's like. 
And they even gave make our POC 

2471
01:58:25,120 --> 01:58:28,320
scars, which Scannis doesn't 
have scars as far as I know, but

2472
01:58:28,320 --> 01:58:30,000
his daughter has grayscale 
scars. 

2473
01:58:30,000 --> 01:58:32,760
So I just feel like I don't 
know, George's having a little 

2474
01:58:32,760 --> 01:58:34,120
extra fun. 
It's like how many more dots can

2475
01:58:34,120 --> 01:58:36,440
I connect between these 
characters? 

2476
01:58:36,760 --> 01:58:39,000
That is not nearly all the 
connection between maker and 

2477
01:58:39,000 --> 01:58:41,640
Stannis, But we're we're going 
to do some of that in our end of

2478
01:58:41,640 --> 01:58:43,960
Dunkin egg wrap up. 
We'll we'll summarize a lot of 

2479
01:58:43,960 --> 01:58:46,960
these a little better. 
Rather than just diving into the

2480
01:58:46,960 --> 01:58:49,720
piece meal here and there. 
Let's talk about some of our our

2481
01:58:49,720 --> 01:58:52,600
funny moments as we close out 
the story. 

2482
01:58:52,600 --> 01:58:55,360
We'll do this at the end of The 
Sworn Sword and at the Mystery 

2483
01:58:55,360 --> 01:58:59,800
Night as well, real quick. 
There was a a comment I meant to

2484
01:58:59,840 --> 01:59:01,240
to get in earlier. 
Oh, sure, go ahead. 

2485
01:59:01,240 --> 01:59:04,680
And we were talking about good 
that how like how good of a 

2486
01:59:04,680 --> 01:59:07,240
night are you when he was asking
Don, can we think about the idea

2487
01:59:07,240 --> 01:59:09,920
good. 
It also reminded me of what 

2488
01:59:09,920 --> 01:59:13,800
Makar said and that I don't know
that arraignment, if you will 

2489
01:59:13,800 --> 01:59:15,680
when they're deciding to have 
the trial of seven. 

2490
01:59:16,200 --> 01:59:20,080
He says if it causes just good, 
mill will fight for it. 

2491
01:59:20,880 --> 01:59:22,720
I think you might have even said
how much more plain can it be or

2492
01:59:22,720 --> 01:59:27,040
something like but, and, and I 
kind of also fits what I was 

2493
01:59:27,040 --> 01:59:28,800
saying about the idea of like 
dunk. 

2494
01:59:29,240 --> 01:59:32,160
If he really is a good night, 
he'll find other good nights to 

2495
01:59:32,160 --> 01:59:36,200
fight for him. 
And and on some level, I I 

2496
01:59:36,200 --> 01:59:38,760
that's Makar being the same as 
Baylor. 

2497
01:59:38,800 --> 01:59:40,520
Like it's in the hands of the 
gods. 

2498
01:59:40,520 --> 01:59:42,880
You know, like if, if you can do
it, that's what they wanted. 

2499
01:59:42,880 --> 01:59:46,120
So go ahead and try. 
It also made me think. 

2500
01:59:46,120 --> 01:59:47,800
About the I oh, what's that? 
I was just going to say that's 

2501
01:59:47,800 --> 01:59:49,320
their. 
Privilege, yeah. 

2502
01:59:49,640 --> 01:59:52,520
They don't know what it's like. 
To not have, you know, bevies of

2503
01:59:52,520 --> 01:59:55,120
men willing to to step up for 
them. 

2504
01:59:55,120 --> 01:59:56,080
Yeah. 
He yes. 

2505
01:59:56,120 --> 01:59:58,280
Is he not? 
I'm not saying they're is he not

2506
01:59:58,280 --> 01:59:59,480
aware? 
Of the about this but. 

2507
02:00:00,760 --> 02:00:03,280
Yeah. 
But another thing to think about

2508
02:00:03,280 --> 02:00:07,280
is there's a lot of other ways 
to like from a logical 

2509
02:00:07,280 --> 02:00:10,840
standpoint, if a cause is just, 
Goodman will fight for it. 

2510
02:00:11,000 --> 02:00:14,520
So if a cause isn't just Goodman
won't fight for it. 

2511
02:00:15,040 --> 02:00:19,160
If a cause is just bad, men 
won't fight for it, or cause is 

2512
02:00:19,160 --> 02:00:20,640
not just bad men will fight for 
it. 

2513
02:00:20,640 --> 02:00:22,000
There's all those different ways
you can look at it. 

2514
02:00:22,120 --> 02:00:25,400
And so you on some level, it 
made me start thinking about the

2515
02:00:25,400 --> 02:00:27,520
different people fighting on the
different sides. 

2516
02:00:27,840 --> 02:00:30,840
Were they all good or bad based?
Like they had different causes. 

2517
02:00:30,880 --> 02:00:33,520
Yeah, right. 
Makar, his cause is really kind 

2518
02:00:33,520 --> 02:00:36,120
of to defend his family's honor.
And it's like my son's got in 

2519
02:00:36,120 --> 02:00:37,440
trouble. 
I got to try to protect them. 

2520
02:00:37,440 --> 02:00:39,240
Yeah. 
And I think his cause is just. 

2521
02:00:39,240 --> 02:00:41,040
I think he's a good man. 
Right. 

2522
02:00:41,080 --> 02:00:45,600
Like Baylor almost obviously 
dunk, obviously, but Aryan's 

2523
02:00:45,600 --> 02:00:48,840
cause was not just, and he was, 
he was a bad man fighting on the

2524
02:00:48,840 --> 02:00:52,840
bad side, you know, So it's kind
of it, it also sort of fits that

2525
02:00:52,840 --> 02:00:56,320
idea of like. 
You miss it Exactly. 

2526
02:00:56,320 --> 02:00:59,200
And however you define good, it 
kind of fits almost every way 

2527
02:00:59,200 --> 02:01:00,320
you look at it. 
It's at the end. 

2528
02:01:00,320 --> 02:01:02,360
Of A Dance with Dragons that 
Varus says. 

2529
02:01:02,520 --> 02:01:04,160
You know, I don't want to kill 
you, Kevin. 

2530
02:01:04,240 --> 02:01:06,960
You're like a lot of people, a 
good man in service to a bad 

2531
02:01:06,960 --> 02:01:08,400
'cause. 
Yeah, when? 

2532
02:01:08,560 --> 02:01:09,560
You were just talking about that
I. 

2533
02:01:09,560 --> 02:01:12,920
Think that's that's very much in
line here because yeah, Makar 

2534
02:01:12,920 --> 02:01:15,560
may be a decent man, but but by 
backing his son up on this 

2535
02:01:15,560 --> 02:01:18,520
'cause he's very unjust and 
that's a huge point. 

2536
02:01:18,520 --> 02:01:21,120
That's why I wanted to draw our 
attention to the thematic 

2537
02:01:21,120 --> 02:01:24,440
resonance of the dragon knee 
stuff with the others paired 

2538
02:01:24,680 --> 02:01:27,680
side by decide because both of 
those things are just enormously

2539
02:01:27,680 --> 02:01:30,200
powerful, but they're not good 
or evil on their own. 

2540
02:01:30,320 --> 02:01:32,440
They're good or evil based on 
who's in charge of them. 

2541
02:01:32,560 --> 02:01:35,000
Like the Dragons have been used 
for good and they've been used 

2542
02:01:35,000 --> 02:01:37,280
for evil. 
The others, well, they're all 

2543
02:01:37,280 --> 02:01:41,640
evil, but if they were created 
by the the children, there's the

2544
02:01:41,640 --> 02:01:43,280
source of them isn't all evil, 
right? 

2545
02:01:43,480 --> 02:01:45,400
And the people that work for 
them, like if the others are 

2546
02:01:45,400 --> 02:01:49,400
raising the dead of Knights or 
people that used to be good 

2547
02:01:49,400 --> 02:01:52,440
people, they're using good 
people for a bad cause in in a 

2548
02:01:52,480 --> 02:01:56,280
more supernatural way rather 
than a you have to do what the 

2549
02:01:56,280 --> 02:01:59,000
king says kind of way. 
But it's the same sort of thing.

2550
02:01:59,000 --> 02:02:03,480
You're compelled to obey whether
it's good or bad, whether the 

2551
02:02:03,480 --> 02:02:05,000
whether the orders are evil or 
not. 

2552
02:02:05,440 --> 02:02:10,240
Usually it's Gray right in the 
story, but sometimes it's not 

2553
02:02:11,120 --> 02:02:13,480
like Aryan. 
Like obviously Aryan is not grey

2554
02:02:13,560 --> 02:02:15,000
in that sense. 
Maybe some of his upbringing, 

2555
02:02:15,000 --> 02:02:17,280
maybe some details around him, 
but like in terms of whether 

2556
02:02:17,280 --> 02:02:19,240
he's good or or not, no, there's
not. 

2557
02:02:19,400 --> 02:02:22,640
There's really no nuance there. 
Same with Gregor, Sometimes you 

2558
02:02:22,640 --> 02:02:25,880
might. 
Find a reason for something, but

2559
02:02:25,880 --> 02:02:27,920
not a justification for it. 
Yeah, yeah. 

2560
02:02:27,960 --> 02:02:29,640
Good point. 
Well, Good's said. 

2561
02:02:29,640 --> 02:02:33,240
Good's said. 
So you. 

2562
02:02:33,320 --> 02:02:35,240
You cited. 
Let's see, you've got the first 

2563
02:02:35,240 --> 02:02:38,480
quote here under our funny list 
here the. 

2564
02:02:38,640 --> 02:02:42,000
The the gist of it is that Arlen
is insisting that they bathe at 

2565
02:02:42,000 --> 02:02:44,240
least once a month, even if 
they're not that dirty. 

2566
02:02:44,240 --> 02:02:47,080
And it's like a true knight is 
cleanly as well as godly, the 

2567
02:02:47,080 --> 02:02:50,440
old man always said, insisting 
that they wash themselves head 

2568
02:02:50,440 --> 02:02:53,360
to heels every time the moon 
turn, whether they smelled sour 

2569
02:02:53,360 --> 02:02:55,680
or not. 
Now that he was a knight, Dunk 

2570
02:02:55,680 --> 02:02:58,080
vowed he would do the same now. 
Whoa. 

2571
02:02:58,120 --> 02:03:02,840
I mean, obviously it's a 
different time and place, but 

2572
02:03:02,840 --> 02:03:07,240
hearing that they might not 
smell sour after not bathing for

2573
02:03:07,240 --> 02:03:10,520
a month in the rough, yeah, 
there's a difference. 

2574
02:03:10,600 --> 02:03:14,080
They have a different standard 
for what smells sour than, say, 

2575
02:03:14,080 --> 02:03:16,520
we sour. 
Might be relative. 

2576
02:03:18,240 --> 02:03:20,400
It's like how? 
Sour is it like? 

2577
02:03:24,040 --> 02:03:26,760
I like this one. 
Very short line dunk was as good

2578
02:03:26,760 --> 02:03:31,400
an elbow were as any. 
When he was pushing through the 

2579
02:03:31,400 --> 02:03:35,240
crowd so they could see better 
and my my thought was that if if

2580
02:03:35,240 --> 02:03:37,960
they make this into a show, they
definitely need to have Ludacris

2581
02:03:37,960 --> 02:03:40,920
playing at that moment. 
I'm see I'm. 

2582
02:03:40,920 --> 02:03:43,800
Picturing Dunk at like a Black 
Friday sale. 

2583
02:03:46,960 --> 02:03:49,080
That's who you want to go. 
Shopping with yes, yes, you 

2584
02:03:49,320 --> 02:03:50,000
definitely. 
Do. 

2585
02:03:51,240 --> 02:03:54,000
I like this line. 
Before long, only crestless men 

2586
02:03:54,000 --> 02:03:56,920
were choosing him, which is. 
Out of context. 

2587
02:03:56,920 --> 02:03:59,000
Like, wait, what? 
That's of course people who are 

2588
02:03:59,000 --> 02:04:02,600
not challenging Lionel Baratheon
anymore because of his throwing 

2589
02:04:02,600 --> 02:04:04,320
helmets in the crowds and 
crests. 

2590
02:04:04,640 --> 02:04:06,560
But it's just crestless. 
What are these? 

2591
02:04:06,600 --> 02:04:09,720
This is another thing about 
bathing is these guys that don't

2592
02:04:09,720 --> 02:04:12,200
brush their teeth because I'm 
picturing. 

2593
02:04:12,200 --> 02:04:14,160
Like lizards how they have their
crests. 

2594
02:04:19,960 --> 02:04:20,600
How about this line? 
He. 

2595
02:04:20,600 --> 02:04:23,080
Seems a likely lad. 
Might be one day he'll make a 

2596
02:04:23,080 --> 02:04:27,760
knight or the king. 
Yeah, it's kind of a weird. 

2597
02:04:27,760 --> 02:04:29,920
Term by the. 
Way a likely lad. 

2598
02:04:29,920 --> 02:04:32,680
A likely lad. 
Yeah, I guess that is that an 

2599
02:04:32,680 --> 02:04:34,760
old English term? 
Yeah, like I was kind of 

2600
02:04:34,760 --> 02:04:36,200
assuming. 
Because we don't really say. 

2601
02:04:36,200 --> 02:04:39,360
Lad in America, but they say lad
in England a lot, you know? 

2602
02:04:39,360 --> 02:04:40,320
Yeah. 
Does that like? 

2603
02:04:40,320 --> 02:04:43,680
I'm guessing it means that his 
promise. 

2604
02:04:44,120 --> 02:04:45,800
Yeah, yeah, I. 
Do yeah, I think you're totally 

2605
02:04:45,800 --> 02:04:46,600
right. 
That's what it means. 

2606
02:04:46,600 --> 02:04:48,960
But yeah, the boy shows, 
probably. 

2607
02:04:48,960 --> 02:04:50,880
Promising, I guess. 
Yeah, that makes sense. 

2608
02:04:50,880 --> 02:04:54,000
Yeah, Whereas you. 
Might all otherwise interpreted 

2609
02:04:54,000 --> 02:04:57,120
it as I like him. 
Yeah. 

2610
02:04:57,320 --> 02:04:59,160
Like worthy or something? 
Yeah. 

2611
02:04:59,160 --> 02:05:01,040
His name is Lee Ladd. 
I like Lee Ladd. 

2612
02:05:01,080 --> 02:05:06,760
What's his name? 
OK, so here's a pair of quotes 

2613
02:05:06,760 --> 02:05:09,240
that stand in contrast to each 
other. 

2614
02:05:09,560 --> 02:05:11,760
First we have. 
Boy, I do. 

2615
02:05:11,760 --> 02:05:14,480
Not require your counsel on who 
to challenge that a few minutes.

2616
02:05:14,480 --> 02:05:17,440
Later Hag. 
It was the least. 

2617
02:05:17,440 --> 02:05:22,680
Dangerous of these challenges. 
Hey, don't counsel me. 

2618
02:05:22,680 --> 02:05:24,520
Hey, can you counsel me? 
Yeah. 

2619
02:05:25,160 --> 02:05:26,240
Because then he's like egg, 
sure. 

2620
02:05:26,240 --> 02:05:27,560
Doesn't know a lot about these 
challengers. 

2621
02:05:27,560 --> 02:05:29,840
That's, that's one of the clues 
that he's not, you know, that 

2622
02:05:29,840 --> 02:05:32,120
he's actually highborn or 
whatever he's like. 

2623
02:05:32,200 --> 02:05:34,800
There's a lot about these guys, 
like specifics about how they 

2624
02:05:34,800 --> 02:05:37,960
joust. 
Apparently, according to 

2625
02:05:37,960 --> 02:05:42,320
Guinevere, Greenstone's likely 
lad is a very common term. 

2626
02:05:42,320 --> 02:05:43,960
Common. 
And enough that there's a 

2627
02:05:43,960 --> 02:05:50,360
British sitcom named Whoa Yeah. 
Thanks from the 70s. 

2628
02:05:50,680 --> 02:05:52,160
In the 70s. 
Yeah, 60s. 

2629
02:05:52,160 --> 02:05:56,840
And 70s, actually just the 60s 
now that I look at it, but yes, 

2630
02:05:57,160 --> 02:06:00,360
that's. 
Cool, here is. 

2631
02:06:00,560 --> 02:06:03,120
What? 
Nina says it's her funniest line

2632
02:06:03,120 --> 02:06:04,880
in all of A Song of Ice and 
Fire. 

2633
02:06:04,880 --> 02:06:07,200
Whoa, that's a big one. 
You're not too tall. 

2634
02:06:07,200 --> 02:06:08,560
Dunk blurted out. 
You're just right. 

2635
02:06:08,560 --> 02:06:13,840
For he realized what he had been
about to say, and furiously 4. 

2636
02:06:14,440 --> 02:06:17,680
Said. 1010 cell, cock your head 
inquisitively. 

2637
02:06:18,760 --> 02:06:23,120
Puppets, he finished lamely. 
Yeah, yeah, puppets. 

2638
02:06:23,320 --> 02:06:26,600
That's that's a likely. 
Lad story, yeah. 

2639
02:06:29,280 --> 02:06:30,920
Puppets. 
That's good. 

2640
02:06:32,400 --> 02:06:35,880
So, well, we'll pick. 
Out some more funny lines from 

2641
02:06:36,440 --> 02:06:38,720
for the from the next one. 
There's always a few you know 

2642
02:06:38,720 --> 02:06:42,880
George isn't like super big on 
up out loud laughing, but he 

2643
02:06:42,880 --> 02:06:45,520
gets the jokes in there. 
He sneaks the jokes in for sure.

2644
02:06:46,080 --> 02:06:47,720
Egg gets. 
A lot of zingers he does. 

2645
02:06:47,720 --> 02:06:50,720
He does, I think one of. 
My favorite, funniest moments 

2646
02:06:50,960 --> 02:06:54,480
has to do with all it's related 
to the art that's in A Night of 

2647
02:06:54,480 --> 02:06:57,720
the Seven Kingdoms, you know, by
Gary Gianni. 

2648
02:06:57,960 --> 02:07:01,840
It's the scene where Egg, I 
mean, where Dunk takes a bath, 

2649
02:07:02,400 --> 02:07:05,120
an Egg is, you know, ministering
to him in the bath. 

2650
02:07:05,120 --> 02:07:10,160
So he fills the bath water like 
so hot, crazy hot. 

2651
02:07:10,160 --> 02:07:13,720
But Dunk like doesn't want to 
show weakness, so he gets in 

2652
02:07:13,720 --> 02:07:16,400
anyways, even though it's like 
burning his skin. 

2653
02:07:16,400 --> 02:07:18,800
He hates it. 
And the picture of the art in 

2654
02:07:18,800 --> 02:07:20,120
the night of the Seven Kingdoms 
just so. 

2655
02:07:20,120 --> 02:07:23,640
It's like huge Dunk in a small 
bath and his teeth are just 

2656
02:07:23,640 --> 02:07:27,160
gritting in pain while like Egg 
stands next to him. 

2657
02:07:29,280 --> 02:07:31,360
Quite a bit. 
Different than the humongous 

2658
02:07:31,360 --> 02:07:34,200
bathtubs that Brienne and Jamie 
hang out at in Harrenhal. 

2659
02:07:34,200 --> 02:07:37,440
True, yeah. 
A mirror. 

2660
02:07:37,440 --> 02:07:39,480
There's always a. 
Mirror or a parallel somewhere 

2661
02:07:39,480 --> 02:07:42,080
with with Dunk and with a lot of
other characters. 

2662
02:07:42,480 --> 02:07:46,720
Folks, we're still building a 
long list of of fuller completer

2663
02:07:46,720 --> 02:07:49,200
list of parallels. 
If you have parallels and and 

2664
02:07:49,200 --> 02:07:52,600
connections that you want to 
make sure we catch, send them to

2665
02:07:52,600 --> 02:07:55,320
us. 
Do the same with any regular 

2666
02:07:55,320 --> 02:07:57,920
other types of questions you 
have or comments you have about 

2667
02:07:57,920 --> 02:08:00,880
Dunkin Egg. 
We will be moving on to The 

2668
02:08:00,880 --> 02:08:03,200
Sworn Sword next week. 
Let's do a little more wrap up 

2669
02:08:03,200 --> 02:08:04,960
though. 
Did you have any final thoughts 

2670
02:08:04,960 --> 02:08:07,240
on the Hedge Night? 
Anything that you think is Hedge

2671
02:08:07,240 --> 02:08:10,680
Night specific, Sean? 
Anything that maybe isn't 

2672
02:08:11,000 --> 02:08:13,600
appropriate to talk about in the
following stories because 

2673
02:08:13,600 --> 02:08:14,760
obviously they have a lot in 
common. 

2674
02:08:14,760 --> 02:08:16,800
So some of the themes will 
continue. 

2675
02:08:17,240 --> 02:08:19,120
The main thing is. 
That a couple points that I've 

2676
02:08:19,120 --> 02:08:22,200
missed about the idea of Dunk 
being a true knight or not. 

2677
02:08:22,520 --> 02:08:25,480
We've hit on it a few times and 
I think I've sold you, I think 

2678
02:08:25,480 --> 02:08:28,800
on the idea that it's not just 
this is there isn't that maybe 

2679
02:08:28,800 --> 02:08:31,520
there's ways that dunk is it 
straight up line, you know, and,

2680
02:08:31,800 --> 02:08:34,600
and, and that's kind of what I 
was kind of concluding because I

2681
02:08:34,600 --> 02:08:37,760
found most of the little 
arguments, like when I first 

2682
02:08:37,760 --> 02:08:40,160
read it, I, I was just oblivious
to the idea that he wasn't 

2683
02:08:40,160 --> 02:08:41,480
really a knight in the 1st 
place. 

2684
02:08:41,680 --> 02:08:44,720
And but then it was the idea was
presented to me and I was like, 

2685
02:08:44,720 --> 02:08:47,880
I read it again. 
I was like, I see, I, I, I 

2686
02:08:48,080 --> 02:08:50,640
became suspicious myself. 
But then reading it again, I was

2687
02:08:50,640 --> 02:08:52,880
like, I don't know. 
Almost every little piece of 

2688
02:08:52,880 --> 02:08:55,040
evidence I found could argue 
both ways. 

2689
02:08:55,040 --> 02:08:58,440
Some have brought up, like, for 
example, you know, piercing 

2690
02:08:58,440 --> 02:09:01,120
different things together. 
When Dunk describes how he was 

2691
02:09:01,120 --> 02:09:04,160
knighted, it's different than 
how Lionel Brathian Knights 

2692
02:09:04,160 --> 02:09:06,560
stuff on him. 
So I'm like, oh, so he did. 

2693
02:09:06,760 --> 02:09:10,040
But then the person he describes
how he's being knighted to, 

2694
02:09:10,160 --> 02:09:13,840
who's already challenging him, 
accepts that he doesn't question

2695
02:09:13,840 --> 02:09:15,800
that method. 
It was like, OK, so that's an 

2696
02:09:15,800 --> 02:09:16,920
argument. 
You see how it can be like an 

2697
02:09:16,920 --> 02:09:20,200
argument in both directions. 
And I started concluding, you 

2698
02:09:20,200 --> 02:09:21,520
know, with these different 
things. 

2699
02:09:21,600 --> 02:09:25,480
There's another one. 
Was the idea that like one thing

2700
02:09:25,480 --> 02:09:28,160
that makes people point at Dunk 
not being a knight when he 

2701
02:09:28,160 --> 02:09:31,800
hesitates tonight, Stefan? 
Maybe it's because he's. 

2702
02:09:31,800 --> 02:09:34,040
Not really a knight so he 
doesn't feel like, but maybe 

2703
02:09:34,040 --> 02:09:35,680
it's the same reason we talked 
about this. 

2704
02:09:35,680 --> 02:09:37,320
Maybe it's the same reason it's 
embarrassing. 

2705
02:09:37,320 --> 02:09:38,640
Didn't want to knight his 
Squires. 

2706
02:09:38,640 --> 02:09:40,920
Like I just, I just attacked the
Prince. 

2707
02:09:40,920 --> 02:09:43,960
And if I deny you, they might 
and lose this, they might 

2708
02:09:43,960 --> 02:09:46,640
execute you. 
It might just merge your honor 

2709
02:09:46,640 --> 02:09:48,720
and not help it. 
And that might even be why 

2710
02:09:48,720 --> 02:09:50,800
Lionel stepped up. 
And you're like, my honor's 

2711
02:09:50,800 --> 02:09:52,200
safe. 
If I know you, you're good. 

2712
02:09:52,200 --> 02:09:54,200
You know what I mean? 
We don't get to hear what 

2713
02:09:54,280 --> 02:09:56,880
Lionel's thinking. 
And Dunks doesn't have time to 

2714
02:09:56,880 --> 02:09:58,520
even think about it because it 
gets called away. 

2715
02:09:58,600 --> 02:10:02,000
And I almost think it's it makes
sense that all these things can 

2716
02:10:02,000 --> 02:10:03,880
be argued both way because 
that's what George wanted. 

2717
02:10:03,880 --> 02:10:05,800
He didn't want it to be clear 
one way or the other. 

2718
02:10:05,800 --> 02:10:09,000
He's trying to be be ambiguous 
that he's very careful about the

2719
02:10:09,000 --> 02:10:13,560
different clues, if you will. 
The one sort of smoking gun, the

2720
02:10:13,560 --> 02:10:16,200
one I have the toughest time 
with, that I'm sure Scott 

2721
02:10:16,200 --> 02:10:19,240
Wortman is like on the edge of 
his seat because he keeps asking

2722
02:10:19,240 --> 02:10:22,360
about. 
This is the monstrous Sly, yes? 

2723
02:10:22,520 --> 02:10:26,280
Dunk thinks. 
About the monstrous Sly he can. 

2724
02:10:26,280 --> 02:10:28,920
He can relate to Egg and the 
line. 

2725
02:10:28,920 --> 02:10:31,440
About have you ever you You 
wanted something so bad that you

2726
02:10:31,440 --> 02:10:33,120
were willing to lie for it, 
right? 

2727
02:10:33,320 --> 02:10:36,480
So here's how I addressed that. 
And again, I don't think I'm 

2728
02:10:37,160 --> 02:10:40,360
completely discounting it, but 
I'm showing if if this was a 

2729
02:10:40,360 --> 02:10:42,840
Corda law and I had to make my 
case, the case I would make is 

2730
02:10:43,120 --> 02:10:47,080
just because Dunk knows how it 
feels doesn't mean he did it. 

2731
02:10:48,080 --> 02:10:48,680
That's cool. 
Yeah. 

2732
02:10:49,760 --> 02:10:52,480
B. 
It could be something else the 

2733
02:10:52,960 --> 02:10:54,280
story doesn't give us. 
Something else. 

2734
02:10:54,440 --> 02:10:56,160
But you're right. 
Like, that's right, but you're 

2735
02:10:56,160 --> 02:10:57,800
right, it could be another one 
of the. 

2736
02:10:57,800 --> 02:11:01,200
Arguments that that people make 
is that Dunk doesn't think about

2737
02:11:01,200 --> 02:11:05,080
the moment of being knighted by 
Erwin, but he also doesn't think

2738
02:11:05,080 --> 02:11:07,160
about lying about being knighted
by Erwin. 

2739
02:11:07,160 --> 02:11:08,960
So, you know, if he doesn't 
think about Owen doesn't think 

2740
02:11:08,960 --> 02:11:09,680
about the other. 
That's true. 

2741
02:11:09,680 --> 02:11:12,040
He thinks about lying, but not. 
About that, and he thinks about 

2742
02:11:12,040 --> 02:11:14,200
not being knighted, but the two 
aren't directly connected. 

2743
02:11:14,520 --> 02:11:15,400
You're right. 
Yeah. 

2744
02:11:15,960 --> 02:11:18,560
So again. 
I, I don't want to just assume 

2745
02:11:18,560 --> 02:11:21,680
like I, I think it's clear 
George is trying to get us to at

2746
02:11:21,680 --> 02:11:24,040
least think about it, which 
means there's a strong chance 

2747
02:11:24,040 --> 02:11:26,520
that it's true. 
But I still feel like there's a 

2748
02:11:26,520 --> 02:11:30,200
lot of evidence and no proofs. 
Incidentally, and this might 

2749
02:11:30,200 --> 02:11:33,920
even tie in later in one of the 
other books, but he he had a 

2750
02:11:33,920 --> 02:11:35,520
whole another life before, 
right? 

2751
02:11:35,520 --> 02:11:38,160
He was a thief and a beggar on 
the streets of Flea Bottom. 

2752
02:11:38,440 --> 02:11:40,840
You can imagine he might have 
told a monstrous lie there. 

2753
02:11:41,040 --> 02:11:43,600
He might have told some lie to 
Sir Arlen to get into a service 

2754
02:11:43,600 --> 02:11:48,040
in the 1st place there that he 
lied about to to to get close to

2755
02:11:48,200 --> 02:11:52,080
a girl or to get close to Sir 
Arlen or to get out of Flea 

2756
02:11:52,080 --> 02:11:53,920
Bottom. 
Or anyway, my point is, I can 

2757
02:11:53,920 --> 02:11:56,280
think it like Dunks had a lot of
other stuff in his life that he 

2758
02:11:56,280 --> 02:11:58,840
potentially could have lied 
about that maybe he didn't think

2759
02:11:58,840 --> 02:12:01,240
about. 
And maybe even a little further 

2760
02:12:01,240 --> 02:12:03,880
evidence to that point is 
another argument people use. 

2761
02:12:03,880 --> 02:12:05,600
Is it Dunk? 
The first couple times he 

2762
02:12:05,600 --> 02:12:08,120
introduces himself, he just says
Dunk and not Sir Dunk. 

2763
02:12:08,520 --> 02:12:10,760
Well, he just became a knight. 
He's not used to it yet. 

2764
02:12:11,000 --> 02:12:13,280
Think of himself that way. 
Like people get married where 

2765
02:12:13,280 --> 02:12:15,760
the last name changes or how 
often you write the date wrong 

2766
02:12:15,760 --> 02:12:17,480
when the month changes or 
whatever, you know? 

2767
02:12:17,720 --> 02:12:20,880
And it could be that the thing 
he did, the monster, the monster

2768
02:12:20,880 --> 02:12:23,120
Sly, was long ago enough that 
he's not thinking about it 

2769
02:12:23,120 --> 02:12:27,840
anymore. 
Anyway, I totally accept that so

2770
02:12:27,840 --> 02:12:31,320
many people don't believe Dunk 
is a true knight and but I at 

2771
02:12:31,320 --> 02:12:34,040
least wanted to make my case, 
hopefully getting some people to

2772
02:12:34,040 --> 02:12:36,520
rethink it even if they keep 
believing it, that these are the

2773
02:12:36,520 --> 02:12:39,760
points you're going to have to 
beat me on to prove your case. 

2774
02:12:40,000 --> 02:12:43,040
And but what I'm really hoping 
to offer is 1/3 alternative. 

2775
02:12:43,280 --> 02:12:47,120
Is it Dunk isn't necessarily 
straight up lying about it, that

2776
02:12:47,120 --> 02:12:51,200
Dunk just has some question 
about the validity of it between

2777
02:12:51,360 --> 02:12:54,800
his personal lack of confidence,
between the potential of Arlen 

2778
02:12:54,800 --> 02:12:59,320
having been alcoholic, maybe 
even in his own mind he's 

2779
02:12:59,320 --> 02:13:02,080
distinguishing between a hedge 
knight and a real knight. 

2780
02:13:02,080 --> 02:13:05,720
You know, I could just see a lot
of ways why in Dunk's mind, he 

2781
02:13:05,720 --> 02:13:08,640
might not think of himself as a 
real knight, that when those 

2782
02:13:08,640 --> 02:13:11,680
moments come up in a story, we 
interpret it as he wasn't really

2783
02:13:11,680 --> 02:13:13,840
knighted. 
But I want to interpret it as 

2784
02:13:13,840 --> 02:13:16,680
he's not lying about it. 
He's just questioning the 

2785
02:13:16,680 --> 02:13:17,200
validity. 
Yeah. 

2786
02:13:17,400 --> 02:13:19,000
And and one thing. 
That supports is 2 things that 

2787
02:13:19,000 --> 02:13:21,280
support your argument pretty 
well here. 1 is that Dunk is the

2788
02:13:21,280 --> 02:13:23,560
kind of person that would take 
it that seriously, that he would

2789
02:13:23,560 --> 02:13:25,800
question the validity of it 
based on the circumstances. 

2790
02:13:25,800 --> 02:13:27,800
Whereas other people would say 
OK, it's done. 

2791
02:13:28,160 --> 02:13:30,280
That's it. 
It's like it's, it's I'm in the 

2792
02:13:30,280 --> 02:13:31,760
club, you know, they wouldn't 
question it. 

2793
02:13:31,920 --> 02:13:35,120
Dunk is one of the few people we
can honestly say might actually 

2794
02:13:35,120 --> 02:13:38,120
take that seriously whether 
whatever ceremony may or may not

2795
02:13:38,120 --> 02:13:39,880
have happened. 
Well, if it did happen in some 

2796
02:13:39,880 --> 02:13:44,320
degree that it counted. 
And one thing I want to cast our

2797
02:13:44,320 --> 02:13:48,280
eyes ahead for in regards to 
this is Brienne. 

2798
02:13:48,400 --> 02:13:51,800
If Brienne is eventually 
knighted in the confines of A 

2799
02:13:51,800 --> 02:13:56,040
Song of Ice and Fire, will there
be people who question whether 

2800
02:13:56,040 --> 02:13:58,800
it's valid? 
And that would come back to this

2801
02:13:58,800 --> 02:14:02,320
and be a parallel to like, 
except instead of Dunk 

2802
02:14:02,320 --> 02:14:05,200
wondering, it would be, it would
be everybody else questioning 

2803
02:14:05,200 --> 02:14:06,320
it. 
And Brienne might question it 

2804
02:14:06,320 --> 02:14:07,160
too. 
Who knows? 

2805
02:14:07,720 --> 02:14:10,280
Even Brianne. 
By the way, even similar to like

2806
02:14:10,280 --> 02:14:13,520
if Dunk kid Knight is Stefan 
might have worked against him. 

2807
02:14:14,080 --> 02:14:18,560
Brianne on one hand often might 
have sort of a claim toward 

2808
02:14:18,560 --> 02:14:22,040
knighthood at least, or 
deserving knighthood, having 

2809
02:14:22,040 --> 02:14:25,360
been on the Kingsguard, but it 
was a traitor king. 

2810
02:14:26,440 --> 02:14:28,600
It's almost worse that's. 
True, that's. 

2811
02:14:28,600 --> 02:14:29,800
True. 
Yeah, these grants, that's 

2812
02:14:30,160 --> 02:14:32,120
interesting. 
I never really thought about her

2813
02:14:32,120 --> 02:14:34,040
being on the Kingsguard and 
being a knight. 

2814
02:14:34,240 --> 02:14:35,720
Yeah, that's. 
True, she was in. 

2815
02:14:36,120 --> 02:14:40,120
Non Knights on a Kingsguard. 
OK, Yeah, yeah. 

2816
02:14:40,200 --> 02:14:41,960
But. 
Clegane was broke the rules so 

2817
02:14:41,960 --> 02:14:45,200
Brianne kind of did too I guess.
Well the Queen's the the Rainbow

2818
02:14:45,200 --> 02:14:48,680
Guard was a new institution so 
technically they make up their 

2819
02:14:48,680 --> 02:14:51,400
own new rules. 
Like they changed the colors so 

2820
02:14:51,400 --> 02:14:54,640
why not the rules? 
Another. 

2821
02:14:54,800 --> 02:14:58,000
Sort of funny half foreshadowing
moment that I forgot to mention 

2822
02:14:58,000 --> 02:15:01,920
was Dunk passing by a tent where
he hears 2 people having sex and

2823
02:15:01,920 --> 02:15:04,680
he's like I wonder if I'll die 
before ever kissing a girl. 

2824
02:15:05,200 --> 02:15:09,560
Well, considering that there's a
large amount of theories in the 

2825
02:15:09,560 --> 02:15:15,040
Phantom about who amongst these 
many people who with large size 

2826
02:15:15,040 --> 02:15:17,840
are Dunk's descendants, and many
of them seem to be the case, 

2827
02:15:17,840 --> 02:15:22,600
clearly he's going to have some 
encounters that result in 

2828
02:15:22,600 --> 02:15:25,600
children. 
So no worries. 

2829
02:15:25,600 --> 02:15:30,560
Dunk the women and the men both 
find you very attractive, so no 

2830
02:15:30,560 --> 02:15:33,280
worries at all here. 
Is one more last little 

2831
02:15:33,280 --> 02:15:36,040
question. 
Did Lord Askford? 

2832
02:15:36,040 --> 02:15:38,160
'S daughter keep the title of 
Queen of Love and Beautiful. 

2833
02:15:39,880 --> 02:15:42,080
Boy, yeah, we. 
We we brought her up like a 

2834
02:15:42,080 --> 02:15:43,840
couple episodes ago. 
Like boy, this really didn't 

2835
02:15:43,840 --> 02:15:45,160
work out for her. 
Are they going to look at her as

2836
02:15:45,160 --> 02:15:46,520
cursed? 
Like this didn't go well? 

2837
02:15:46,520 --> 02:15:48,080
Like she going to cry about 
this? 

2838
02:15:48,240 --> 02:15:51,440
I would, I mean, if I were in 
her place, if I was a 13 year 

2839
02:15:51,440 --> 02:15:54,520
old girl and this was brought, 
this was all made for me. 

2840
02:15:54,520 --> 02:15:56,000
I was like, oh, I'm the center 
of attention. 

2841
02:15:56,000 --> 02:15:58,640
This is going to be great. 
And then this happens. 

2842
02:15:59,680 --> 02:16:01,920
That is traumatizing. 
So yeah, I don't know. 

2843
02:16:01,920 --> 02:16:04,600
I don't know what her status was
after this, but her emotional 

2844
02:16:04,600 --> 02:16:06,880
stay probably wouldn't be so 
great. 

2845
02:16:08,080 --> 02:16:10,800
OK, yeah, let's. 
Let's say some thanks here. 

2846
02:16:10,800 --> 02:16:13,560
Appreciate everyone coming to 
hang out today. 

2847
02:16:13,760 --> 02:16:17,120
Appreciate Nina giving us a lot 
of great discussion points and 

2848
02:16:17,120 --> 02:16:22,360
and quotes and especially thing 
with Steven Atwell and JFK that 

2849
02:16:22,360 --> 02:16:27,120
seems really strong as a as a 
parallel, thank you to our there

2850
02:16:27,120 --> 02:16:30,680
are people over on flick and 
Facebook and slack and Discord. 

2851
02:16:30,680 --> 02:16:34,879
You guys are also doing great 
work drumming up things for us 

2852
02:16:34,879 --> 02:16:38,320
to talk about and consider 
throughout these episodes and 

2853
02:16:38,320 --> 02:16:38,719
of. 
Course we're. 

2854
02:16:38,719 --> 02:16:40,920
Talking about other things over 
there as well, I mentioned it 

2855
02:16:40,920 --> 02:16:43,600
last time. 
We've got a Expanse reread going

2856
02:16:43,600 --> 02:16:45,320
on in the discord right now. 
That's pretty fun. 

2857
02:16:45,320 --> 02:16:50,520
We're still on Book 1, so this 
is July 2021 that we're 

2858
02:16:50,520 --> 02:16:52,400
recording this. 
So if it's you could. 

2859
02:16:52,639 --> 02:16:54,520
Still get involved. 
Depending on when you're hearing

2860
02:16:54,520 --> 02:16:57,240
this and I want to. 
Bring something up for when The 

2861
02:16:57,240 --> 02:17:01,639
Expanse reread is finished. 
I'm thinking we should get a 

2862
02:17:01,639 --> 02:17:05,840
group together to read at least 
the first Wild Cards book, but 

2863
02:17:05,840 --> 02:17:07,959
for maybe I'm hoping for the 
first trilogy. 

2864
02:17:07,959 --> 02:17:11,240
After that we can scatter to the
wind because there are many 

2865
02:17:11,240 --> 02:17:13,440
books. 
But, you know, reach out if you 

2866
02:17:13,440 --> 02:17:16,200
have some interest and maybe 
we'll start getting things in 

2867
02:17:16,200 --> 02:17:18,040
line for that. 
Yeah, did. 

2868
02:17:18,040 --> 02:17:19,360
You say wild cards? 
Yeah. 

2869
02:17:19,400 --> 02:17:21,959
Are you not familiar? 
With wild cards on, you don't 

2870
02:17:21,959 --> 02:17:23,559
want to be a wild Carter with 
me. 

2871
02:17:23,559 --> 02:17:25,240
I mean, I'm familiar. 
With Charlie Kelly. 

2872
02:17:26,680 --> 02:17:28,680
George R Martin. 
It's that's one of his 

2873
02:17:28,680 --> 02:17:30,040
properties. 
Yeah, it's a shared. 

2874
02:17:30,040 --> 02:17:31,520
Universe Charlie Kelly is one 
of. 

2875
02:17:31,520 --> 02:17:34,920
George Martin Property, Yeah. 
Funny, yeah, but. 

2876
02:17:34,920 --> 02:17:38,360
Sean Wildcards is one of 
George's shared properties. 

2877
02:17:38,360 --> 02:17:41,280
Tons and tons of authors right 
in the world, different 

2878
02:17:41,280 --> 02:17:44,879
characters, and it's all about 
people with superpowers. 

2879
02:17:45,320 --> 02:17:48,520
But they're not just heroes and 
they're not your standard 

2880
02:17:48,520 --> 02:17:50,760
powers. 
It's kind of in line with The 

2881
02:17:50,760 --> 02:17:52,120
Boys. 
And what you would like there is

2882
02:17:52,120 --> 02:17:54,160
my understanding. 
Misfits. 

2883
02:17:54,360 --> 02:17:56,360
Yeah, kind of in. 
Line with that, that's my you 

2884
02:17:56,360 --> 02:17:59,440
know what I think of it as 
there's a famous story. 

2885
02:17:59,440 --> 02:18:03,480
Where there was a time when Neil
Gammon pitched Sandman for the 

2886
02:18:03,480 --> 02:18:05,440
Wild Card universe, they 
rejected him. 

2887
02:18:07,920 --> 02:18:09,520
And George likes to. 
Joke about how it worked out 

2888
02:18:09,520 --> 02:18:10,840
well for him that we rejected 
it. 

2889
02:18:14,440 --> 02:18:16,920
So yeah. 
So, so yeah, like it's not like 

2890
02:18:16,920 --> 02:18:20,480
super famous, but it's pretty 
big and it's been going a long 

2891
02:18:20,480 --> 02:18:23,799
time and honestly. 
He tweets about it and posts 

2892
02:18:23,799 --> 02:18:27,920
about it, and I would just like 
to see a tweet about wild cards 

2893
02:18:27,920 --> 02:18:31,760
and be like, hell yeah, what's 
new in the wild cards world? 

2894
02:18:32,000 --> 02:18:34,639
Yeah, it's. 
Unfortunately, when George talks

2895
02:18:34,639 --> 02:18:37,920
about wild cards too often 
there's people that just jump on

2896
02:18:37,920 --> 02:18:39,920
him for it not being a Song of 
Ice of Fire. 

2897
02:18:40,000 --> 02:18:43,520
I've even been. 
To two wild cards panels so I 

2898
02:18:43,520 --> 02:18:47,360
it's really I I should at least 
read one book and I hope some of

2899
02:18:47,360 --> 02:18:50,480
you want to join me in this 
journey of becoming a wild 

2900
02:18:50,480 --> 02:18:52,200
Carter so that's kind of. 
Neat. 

2901
02:18:52,200 --> 02:18:54,400
We didn't know you weren't aware
of wild card, Sean. 

2902
02:18:54,400 --> 02:18:56,600
Now this given. 
Yeah, given your your enjoyment 

2903
02:18:56,600 --> 02:18:59,160
of the boys and and this kind of
thing, you might this might be a

2904
02:18:59,160 --> 02:19:00,879
big thing for you. 
We'll see. 

2905
02:19:01,160 --> 02:19:03,600
We'll have to circle back on 
that at some point. 

2906
02:19:04,200 --> 02:19:06,120
Thanks everyone for coming 
today. 

2907
02:19:06,120 --> 02:19:11,280
Appreciate the support. 
If you're a patron, we are. 

2908
02:19:11,879 --> 02:19:13,160
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without you. 

2909
02:19:13,160 --> 02:19:16,120
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2910
02:19:16,120 --> 02:19:19,280
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on the Patreon link or go 

2911
02:19:19,280 --> 02:19:21,400
straight to patreon.com/history 
of Westeros. 

2912
02:19:21,879 --> 02:19:23,559
Pick the level that is right for
you. 

2913
02:19:24,760 --> 02:19:27,000
This is a great time to be 
supporting us when we're in 

2914
02:19:27,000 --> 02:19:29,559
between without lots of new 
material to deal with. 

2915
02:19:29,600 --> 02:19:31,080
Although, hey, we've never 
talked about The Hedge Night 

2916
02:19:31,080 --> 02:19:32,959
before. 
It's kind of new even though it 

2917
02:19:32,959 --> 02:19:36,840
was published in 97. 
Yeah. 

2918
02:19:37,959 --> 02:19:38,760
I'm. 
Super. 

2919
02:19:38,760 --> 02:19:41,320
New to me in terms of talking 
about all of this, for sure. 

2920
02:19:41,320 --> 02:19:43,160
We just, we really haven't 
talked about this. 

2921
02:19:43,160 --> 02:19:47,440
I feel like the Sworn Sword will
be the one we've talked about 

2922
02:19:47,440 --> 02:19:48,760
the least, yeah. 
Like we've. 

2923
02:19:48,760 --> 02:19:50,680
Talked about the history 
surrounding it the most, but the

2924
02:19:50,680 --> 02:19:52,640
events in it perhaps the least. 
And it's really interesting. 

2925
02:19:52,640 --> 02:19:54,080
I mean, a lot of people don't 
even know some of the 

2926
02:19:54,080 --> 02:19:56,120
connections Rohan Webber has to 
the greater story. 

2927
02:19:56,120 --> 02:19:58,640
And that's going to be fun. 
We look really look forward to 

2928
02:19:58,640 --> 02:20:01,520
that. 
So folks, TuneIn next week or 

2929
02:20:01,520 --> 02:20:04,440
download the podcast version 
when it's out. 

2930
02:20:04,520 --> 02:20:08,080
As usual, we record every 
episode on YouTube live, almost 

2931
02:20:08,080 --> 02:20:12,600
always on Sunday at 3:00 Eastern
and then by early morning 

2932
02:20:12,600 --> 02:20:15,720
Monday, also Eastern Time, the 
podcast version is out. 

2933
02:20:15,720 --> 02:20:18,480
Usually I stay up all most of 
the night editing it to have it 

2934
02:20:18,480 --> 02:20:21,000
ready for y'all who are 
commuters Monday morning or 

2935
02:20:21,240 --> 02:20:23,160
wherever you happen to be. 
If it's not Monday morning for 

2936
02:20:23,160 --> 02:20:24,440
you and it's Monday morning for 
me. 

2937
02:20:24,440 --> 02:20:27,200
And we'll keep them coming, 
folks. 

2938
02:20:27,520 --> 02:20:30,280
See you next week for more Velar
re Reese.