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The Black Dinner was an infamous
event in Scottish history that 

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caught George RR Martin's 
attention and inspired him to 

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write The Red Wedding. 
Along the way, while delving 

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into this corner of history, we 
noticed quite a few other 

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parallels and possible 
influences. 

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Or at least happy coincidences. 
Happy to us that is. 

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Maybe not to the people 
involved, as we'll see these a 

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lot of these stories are pretty 
bloody. 

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Regardless, they make for a 
great series of stories and 

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anecdotes which we've compiled 
for you today. 

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Much of it will revolve around 
houses, Stewart and Douglas, and

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at one point Douglas splits into
the Black Douglas's and the Red 

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Douglas's. 
A familiar split, since we're 

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familiar with red and black 
Dragons and all. 

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But also we'll be talking about 
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Scottish figures like Robert the
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Several of them really, but two 
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And the actual murders at the 
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1440. 
But we'll be looking back quite 

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a bit farther than that to cover
the history of the players and 

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the families involved and other 
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All that juicy, juicy context in
Scottish history that's relevant

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today. 
Then we'll continue a little bit

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past the Black Dinner to see 
what happened in the aftermath 

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because it's sort of things did 
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sorts. 
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some ways. 
You'll see it does form a bit of

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a story, what we've put together
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Just like the Red Wedding, there
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But that fall out, like the Red 
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more intrigue, more murder, 
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and some more parallels that'll 
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roughly speaking. 
You may notice how this overlaps

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much of what we saw in our 
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episode, which somewhat 
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only three years apart. 
It's almost exactly the same 

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timeline. 
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overlap, a few of the same 
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impacts. 
For example, if you caught that 

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episode, you might recall that 
Margaret Danjou, who is our 

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Cersei parallel, recruited a lot
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to fight for her and her son 
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called that Edward, Edward 
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we acknowledge that it was 
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People like Shakespeare in 
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In this case, there's been a 
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sorts as the black dinner has 
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word has been out for over 10 
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the inspiration for the Red 
Wedding and that because Game of

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Thrones is so popular, drew a 
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And lots of articles and think 
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it. 
Now, that said, you have to sift

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through a lot of takes on those 
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kind of shallow. 
They're just, hey, this inspired

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the Red Wedding and then there's
not a lot there. 

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They don't analyze it very well.
They just give you some basics. 

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So for us, it was more work to 
sift through all this, which was

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pretty fun, actually. 
There's a lot of fun stuff here.

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Even though it's more obscure, 
that doesn't make it less 

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interesting. 
In fact, it might make it even 

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more interesting. 
So that's kind of a neat thing 

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that that George and HBO brought
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turn dug deeper to get to some 
of these interesting stories. 

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And of course, like the Red 
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itself is not the story. 
The Red Wedding, it's not the 

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story of the Red Wedding, A Song
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I mean it's that's 60% of the 
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It's a major event but it's not 
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let alone some end of the 
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It's a big moment to be sure. 
It's a shocking stand out event.

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And the same thing is true. 
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It's not the whole story but it 
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A shocking stand out event. 
I mean imagine hearing about the

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Red Wedding without knowing who 
Rob and Catelyn and Roose Bolton

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and Jaime Lannister and the 
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It would still sound like a 
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context is what makes it so 
interesting, what makes it stick

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with you and what makes you feel
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And that's what we're going to 
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possible by bringing this 
history to life and enriching it

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with a Song of Ice and Fire 
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possible. 
We've got all that and more for 

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you today on this episode of 
History of Westeros podcast. 

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Hello and welcome back 
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It's another episode of our 
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This is one of our History and 
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Less than a History of Westeros 
episode certainly has some 

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Westeros history in it, but it's
it's more about the real world. 

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We're here most Sundays at 3:00 
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Hey Sean, how's it going? 
We haven't seen you in a few 

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weeks here. 
We've been travelling and doing 

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some other stuff, but good to 
have you back Branzig as you 

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are. 
Yeah, it's good to be back. 

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I'm jealous of you guys 
adventures in Spain. 

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It's probably too much to get 
into now, especially for how 

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much we got on this black dinner
build up, but there is there are

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so many things in this little 
take we've got here that are 

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sound fantastic. 
I'll say it like that. 

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Yeah. 
I can't wait to talk about the 

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Stone of Destiny. 
It's the stone. 

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I know, right? 
The Stone of Destiny. 

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That's a real thing in an 
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or barely has to do with 
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No kidding. 
Yeah, There's some surprises in 

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this one for sure. 
Some things you may have heard 

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of but didn't recognize as part 
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And some other things are a 
little familiar that you might 

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learn more about. 
And we have an extra shout out 

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today. 
We always shout out Nina right 

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here, but today's a little 
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last time we're going to call 
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That's right. 
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queenalley.tumblr.com. 
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over there and all her blog 
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Nina Krusling going forward. 
Congratulations to Nina for 

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getting married. 
No, she just changed her name. 

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She. 
Just changed her name. 

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No, she as of this recording 
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By the time most you hear this, 
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is James Krusling. 
It's almost funny that his name 

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is James because there's a lot 
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He has the distinction of being 
the only James that will mention

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today who is still among the 
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quite some time longer. 
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pretty long dad. 
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terms of being alive and. 
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but she hates Jaharis. 
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that. 
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Not like that exactly, so do not
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But she is good Queen Al. 
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and James. 
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name, James, too. 
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in the family around here. 
James and my family too. 

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Oh, nice. 
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And, and in fact, we'll be going
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We'll see when it becomes a 
popular name in Scotland. 

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In this episode, you're going to
hear some of the following 

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parallels. 
Besides the Red Wedding, we're 

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going to talk about Anise, 
Blackfyre, Bittersteel, 

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Bittersteel's skull, Unwin Peak,
Tywin Lannister, quite a bit 

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Blackfish. 
The whole idea of cadet branches

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comes about a lot. 
There's a whole lot of 

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illegitimate children. 
There's revenge murders for 

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various reasons, the good old 
fashioned games of Thrones with 

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the James of Thrones in this 
case, I guess you could say at 

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least later in the episode. 
And if you catch a parallel that

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we missed, hey, this is real 
history and we don't know it 

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quite as well or not even half 
as well as we know A song of Ice

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and fire history. 
So, you know, we could miss a 

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thing here or there. 
So if you catch something that 

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we missed, let us know. 
Let us know for sure. 

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I mean, that's true always, but 
I, I feel like it's maybe a 

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little more likely in this. 
Let me read the headers we've 

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got prepared for you. 
These are the topics we've got 

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today that we'll get into. 
We're going to get into the 

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players. 
Then the recent history of 

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Scotland, King Hakand and the 
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Then Alexander the Third. 
Then the Great 'cause which yes,

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should sound like the Great 
Council, 'cause it is a lot like

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the Great Council. 
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The King in the North. 
King Robert and the Spider of 

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Braveheart and Bitter Steel. 
The Scottish Golden Company. 

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The Flower of Chivalry. 
The King in Chains. 

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Scotland's Game of Thrones. 
The Red and Black Douglas. 

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Black Douglas versus Fireball. 
That's right. 

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Fireballs in here too. 
Archibald the Grim. 

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That's a guy's name. 
Robert the Kinslayer. 

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That's a name we gave him. 
James and the Black Douglas. 

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Not to be confused with James 
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free to make that comparison if 
you want a changing of the James

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the Black Dinner, the Blackfire 
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Death. 
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get to it. 
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is that that recent Scottish 
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1990s during the recent history 
of leading up to the Black 

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dinner I was a little confused 
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That Yeah, you're right. 
Not recent. 

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the Black Dinner. 
So recent compared to 1440, Not 

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recent to us. 
Yeah, good call. 

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So, as with our Wars of the 
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of the Black dinner as told 
through the eyes of A Song of 

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Ice and Fire fans. 
I'm going to be filling this 

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episode with all the parallels, 
not just because they're fun, 

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but it fast forwards your 
knowledge of the story by making

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comparisons that you're already 
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But shot, even though this is a 
very similar time to the wars, 

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the Rosa recovering a similar 
era, like these things were 

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happening in concert in a lot of
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The sourcing isn't quite as 
strong, is it? 

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No, it's not. 
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through a lot of history, you 
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worth of build up to the black 
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But the the black dinner itself,
some of it is a little dubious. 

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Some of it is like clearly known
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But some of the details of like 
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potentially, if not probably 
legendary, you know that a lot 

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of it is, you know, recounted by
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So it, you know, probably mostly
true or at least representing of

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the truth, but some of it might 
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But we won't let the facts get 
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That's right. 
Or lack of facts. 

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It's, it's not like you invite 
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know, like you're going to 
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Let's bring some witnesses to 
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right. 
But it's also interesting. 

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It was something we talked about
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up to this is looking at 
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this. 
We've always, of course, looked 

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at the Starks as good guys, 
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the Red Wedding. 
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way to look at it. 
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digging in different ways or, or
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perspectives, you know, and you 
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you know, very brief spoiler 
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happens in a black wedding is 
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power worry what might, he might
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more power for themselves. 
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then they buy them and they kill
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was thinking about it in terms 
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the Red Wedding. 
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protagonist and evil Tywin and 
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But if you think of it, and from
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He was a usurper. 
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Now, you know, not the time We 
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Violent things but you know if 
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other stuff time we did and just
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It's still troublesome because 
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soldiers were killed but but all
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follow this traitor. 
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where you could see that this 
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realm, right. 
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running around with the army 
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maybe there is some argument 
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in that he didn't get a trial. 
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wall, even that that opening 
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Like it's anyway, it's sometimes
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about why did they kill this 
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Because it so exactly who did it
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they there was there was a mock 
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quote know that there was a mock
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what even ostensibly they were 
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Trial, I didn't find one thing 
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talk about it. 
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It's vague, like you said, it's 
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which leads to the idea that's a
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And I love this this this point 
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if you don't have to agree with 
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don't like very few of us do. 
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isn't value into seeing his 
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You don't have to agree with any
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understand, like, the logic 
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And that's the case here. 
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How powerful people think. 
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How rude. 
What What does a ruthless person

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do in a spot like this? 
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So yeah, that's that's a lot of 
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That's really interesting. 
And we'll be doing a lot of that

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today. 
What? 

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We're going to start here with a
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George R Martin. 
Let's go. 

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The names in A Song of Ice and 
Fire were something I devoted a 

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fair amount of thought to. 
I violated a fair amount of 

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rules that they teach you when 
you are a young writer. 

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When I was younger, I tried not 
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Never have two characters in a 
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same letter. 
People will get confused. 

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because people will get really 
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I encountered English histories 
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Louise and Phillips. 
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using the same names over and 
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There were particular names 
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houses. 
I decided to do that. 

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To hell with the rules. 
The readers can pay attention. 

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I even have characters 
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which Brandon is being talked 
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Go and break those rules, 
George. 

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Those rules suck. 
I'm totally with George on that.

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Like we can pay attention. 
Yes, maybe it eliminates some 

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people from reading this book, 
but too bad for them. 

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history they get confused also. 
Yeah, I I got confused a lot. 

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There's so many confused 
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Yeah, there. 
We're going to do our best to 

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keep that from being a problem 
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that. 
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there's so many Williams too. 
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They, they, there's just so many
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fun. 
And there's so many Margarets 

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too. 
We'll, we'll see it again. 

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You know, the one guy even 
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And there's so many Roberts 
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It's just also Scottish history 
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English history. 
We got a lot of colorful 

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nicknames and that really helps.
You know, I, I didn't even think

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about it too. 
You were talking about names, 

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like family names in your family
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and all. 
I realized that my dad, my dad 

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and my granddad's names are 
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my sister's name is Margaret. 
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Scottish. 
They're Scottish powers in play 

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here. 
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the major 2 houses we're going 
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throughout this history. 
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and Tully, but some Baratheon 
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which that's kind of the 
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sometimes before the Stewarts 
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Lannister ish. 
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powerful house in Scotland at 
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And they're still around even 
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There's even a Swedish branch of
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and there's a Lord Douglas 
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And yeah, they're still, they 
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They're still really powerful 
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just little doubt that they were
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Scotland and held on to that for
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We don't know how long ago they 
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known recorded Douglas who was a
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William and most of the ones 
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Williams. 
Douglas has a lot of heart 

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sigilry around it. 
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because we just compared them to
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Stewarts have the lion sigils. 
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We don't care about sigils too 
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Stewart is a lot like Baratheon 
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So both of them are like 
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Yes, this in the case. 
Is there a new royal house 

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relatively new in the time of 
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from Stewarts Stewart Stewart. 
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It's like a it's a mix. 
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just call them Stewart because 
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related to Robert the Bruce 
who's going to come up big in 

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this story. 
They were originally a French 

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family descended from a guy 
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He came over in 1136 to serve as
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first king of Scotland. 
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during the Anarchy. 
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basically, while King Stephen 
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He he was steward for three 
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Hightower vibe, maybe. 
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Queen of Scots, this, this line.
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the whole, the whole of Britain 
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So there's are the Tyrell 
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And Walter was given a lot of 
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really took off. 
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others, of course, but the 
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family are the main ones. 
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House Bruce quite a bit that you
might recognize House Bruce from

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Braveheart. 
The movie is not historically 

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accurate, but it's a very useful
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you have seen it probably. 
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history out the window, the 
character portrayals in terms of

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their personality, their basic 
bearing, that stuff isn't too 

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far off. 
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major characters like William 
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and Prince Edward who becomes 
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And Robert the Bruce himself is 
actually the real Braveheart in 

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Scottish history. 
He's the guy that they call 

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Braveheart, not William Wallace 
Mel Gibson's character. 

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And he didn't actually betray 
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So that was kind of a, hey, 
that's like one of our national 

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heroes and he's betraying way. 
Come on, I'll do that. 

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Anyway, we're going to describe 
how we got that nickname. 

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And it's in the Song of Ice and 
Fire parallel. 

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So that's pretty cool. 
There's so many Roberts in this 

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story, as I said, partly because
of Roberts Bruce. 

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And that's part of where the 
Robert Baratheon parallels come 

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in to some some degree. 
There's no Cersei, but there's a

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lot of Margarets. 
And like I said, there's no 

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Jamie, but there's James's 
Jamie. 

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James. 
That's the kind of the 

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equivalent. 
And if you thought we were done 

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with all the Edwards, you are 
incorrect. 

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There's plenty more Edwards to 
come. 

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Because I know you just love all
the Edwards. 

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Yeah. 
So let's get into it. 

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Recent history of Scotland, 
mostly. 

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This was a long series of 
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England, but it starts with the 
ousting of the Norse. 

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Yes, The Norse had long 
dominated northern Scotland, 

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especially the aisles around 
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culture with lots of ships and 
competence with ships, and so 

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taking islands makes a lot of 
sense for them. 

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But the struggles against the 
North are how Stewart and 

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Douglas and some of these others
rose to prominence in the 1st 

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place by defeating them. 
Yeah, so that's pretty neat. 

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There's a lot of elements of 
Dorn in Scotland here. 

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You're going to think of them as
the North a lot because they 

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are. 
But the way they behave, the way

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they deal with war is a lot more
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So that's an interesting fusion 
of the North and Dorne, the two 

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extreme ends of Westeros here in
Scotland, and I think that's 

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really cool. 
And as the power of Scotland's 

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throne grew, they became more 
powerful and the internal 

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infighting intensified. 
So we're going to have is a a 

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series of going from fighting 
for independence to gaining 

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power to starting to fight 
amongst themselves as that power

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was shared within the country 
and accordingly fought over, 

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Yeah, lots of castles and houses
and armies and all that good 

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stuff. 
So let's get going with King 

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Hakon and the Alexanders. 
King Hakon Hakonsen, yes, son of

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Hakon. 
He was Hakon the 4th, very 

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formidable guy, living legend. 
And when he was a baby, his 

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father was like poisoned and two
guys like snatched the baby and 

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snuck through the mountains in 
extreme cold and Blizzard. 

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Just snow hike to save this kid.
They still eventually caught him

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and and he still refused to call
them kings even at 3 when he was

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eight. 
His uncle Hakon the crazy. 

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How is his uncle named Hakon 
when his father was named Hakon?

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I don't get it. 
But maybe that's why he was the 

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crazy. 
He conspired with the king to 

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cut Hakon young Hakon out of out
of the will out of his 

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succession and he said no you 
can't do that. 

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This 8 year old said you can't 
do that because my lawyer wasn't

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there. 
And they said who's your lawyer?

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And he said God. 
And St. 

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O laughs. 
You've heard the phrase God is 

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my copilot. 
Yeah, hack on hack Onsen said 

451
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:12,680
God is my lawyer. 
So this is interesting too 

452
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,840
because Sean, you would expect 
like you hear about the Norse, 

453
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:19,240
you hear about Norse kings and 
all this, how did they not just 

454
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,160
kill this boy, right? 
Wasn't that what you would 

455
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,200
expect to just kill him and then
just take the throne? 

456
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,920
Right. 
But that's not how they did it. 

457
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,720
This is not the Norse kingdoms 
of a few 100 years before. 

458
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,360
They're a little bit more 
civilized. 

459
00:23:32,360 --> 00:23:34,800
A little bit more anyway. 
They were going to kill him, but

460
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,760
he said you can't. 
My executioner isn't here. 

461
00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:42,520
Well played young King Hakan. 
So that's that's a really 

462
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,800
interesting, I think. 
And it's important for our story

463
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,240
because a lot of these Royals 
and nobles were treated better 

464
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,440
than you would expect, which 
leads us to the the black dinner

465
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:56,040
where they definitely were not. 
And the other neat thing here is

466
00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:00,680
to is to point out that the 
Scots continue to win their 

467
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:05,080
independence against badasses, 
like actually strong kings. 

468
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:09,040
Usually countries win their 
independence when there's a 

469
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:10,840
moment of weakness from the 
ruling nation. 

470
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,200
But Scotland was like, Nah, 
we'll take on the the big boss 

471
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,800
leaders here and and still beat 
them or at least hold our own. 

472
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,920
So again, that's part of what 
makes this episode pretty fun is

473
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,240
these are these are good 
stories, very stories of 

474
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,920
overcoming adversity and odds. 
So this this King Hakan was 

475
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,000
friends with the Holy Roman 
Emperor and the Pope. 

476
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,240
I talk about powerful friends. 
And he was friends with Henry 

477
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,080
the third of England, who was 
the king at the time, which he 

478
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,640
leveraged into power over 
Scotland. 

479
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,400
Like it's like the old boys 
club. 

480
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,680
Henry is like, I'll take the 
little subparts of Scotland and 

481
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,200
you take the islands and we'll 
just, yeah, we'll split it up 

482
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:48,720
evenly, right. 
Yeah. 

483
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,720
That's pretty much what they did
there. 

484
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,440
So this is a very dangerous guy 
and this is who they're going to

485
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,600
take on. 
First of all, King Alexander the

486
00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,800
Second comes into play and he 
says, hey, how about you sell us

487
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,120
the Hebrides Islands? 
Those are the islands right off 

488
00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:05,000
the western coast of Scotland. 
They're really close. 

489
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,080
It's like an archipelago. 
There's a bunch of islands 

490
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,920
there. 
And he says something to the 

491
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,440
effect of the gold price. 
Outrageous. 

492
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,760
I'm not selling the islands. 
His son, King Alexander the 

493
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:21,200
Third goes a bit farther and 
says let's raid the Isles in, in

494
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:26,280
secret, You know, kind of like 
how Tywin or maybe the Dornish 

495
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,800
raided through proxies, you 
know, maybe the the Princess of 

496
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,280
Dorn. 
We've got examples of her 

497
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,360
encouraging raids without 
actually supporting them or 

498
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,600
supporting them in secret. 
There's a lot of examples of 

499
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,720
when the Dornish rebels or 
Dornish raids happen and there's

500
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,440
suspicion that they're being 
supported or funded by someone 

501
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,120
much more powerful. 
Definitely the case here. 

502
00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:48,880
But he wasn't done with that. 
He, he, the raids were just to 

503
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,280
kind of feeling things out. 
His long term plan was to 

504
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,560
invade. 
But King Hakan, again not the 

505
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,760
typical Viking king, had spies 
and informants and learned of 

506
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,000
this plan and was able to 
quickly mount an expedition of 

507
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,760
120 ships, 120 ships quickly. 
Like within weeks he was 

508
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,480
sailing. 
That is crazy. 

509
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,040
Very well organized. 
Like Sean, you remember Bailon 

510
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:12,640
Greyjoy when he's mustering his 
ships? 

511
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,160
What did he do? 
What do you mean what did? 

512
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,800
He, well, he he, he hid like he 
didn't let anyone know he was 

513
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,600
doing it. 
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 

514
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,880
He concealed it because it took 
so long and if anyone found out 

515
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,480
they would know what he was up 
to. 

516
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:28,240
So six months or more that he 
kept it a secret and people 

517
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,080
could. 
Plan for it and build their own 

518
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,280
ships, or attack the ships being
built on and on yet or prepare 

519
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:34,960
ships. 
That's that's a lot. 

520
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,400
That's no joke. 
That's clean enough to like, 

521
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,720
embargo a port, transport 
thousands of troops. 

522
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,600
That's a lot. 
Yeah, So Theon, when he shows up

523
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,160
the Iron Islands, he's like, Oh 
my God, they're getting ready 

524
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:45,160
for war. 
I had no idea. 

525
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,840
And then we only find out like 
six months later, the ship that 

526
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,560
dropped him off was held there 
for like half a year to keep 

527
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,840
that secret. 
So he sails to Largs, a place 

528
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,800
that actually had a large Norse 
population on the mainland, to 

529
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,520
make his base. 
Now, he didn't want to fight. 

530
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,000
He just wanted to intimidate 
them because, you know, he wants

531
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,240
the tax revenue and all that. 
He's not trying to, like, kill 

532
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,800
people that he doesn't have to 
because those are people paying 

533
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,240
him taxes. 
Alexander the Third was really 

534
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:10,520
clever. 
He's like, oh, what if we 

535
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,240
negotiate? 
We'll negotiate, you know? 

536
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,840
And he drags it out. 
He lets the weather turn to 

537
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,600
storms. 
And once a storm hits, they make

538
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,840
their move. 
Alexander the Third, his high 

539
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:28,560
steward was Alexander, who was 
the 4th high steward of 

540
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,200
Scotland. 
And this guy led the attack and 

541
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,720
they win. 
It's a very small army against a

542
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,480
much bigger 1. 
And that's amazing. 

543
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,280
They, they throw out the, the 
Norse and it looks like the 

544
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,240
Norse are just going to come 
back the next year because, you 

545
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:47,640
know, it was a temporary 
victory. 

546
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,400
But, and then Alexander, the 4th
high steward of Scotland, dies 

547
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,280
in the intervening year. 
And the and his son, the James 

548
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,040
Stewart takes over. 
And luckily though, for them, 

549
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,720
King Hakan dies too in that 
intervening year. 

550
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,480
So lucky for Scotland, they beat
him and then didn't have to 

551
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:10,720
fight him again. 
His son says, actually, I will 

552
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,320
sell these islands to you. 
I don't care about the gold 

553
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,160
price. 
It's only three years later he 

554
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,720
sells it. 
And Magnus, King Magnus, that's 

555
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,480
this guy's name, the son of King
Hakkon. 

556
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,840
He ended up being called a King 
Magnus, the law mender, and he 

557
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,680
went on to focus on fighting 
Sweden, who also had a King 

558
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,080
Magnus at the time. 
So but that's the last Magnus we

559
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,520
have to deal with for now. 
So that's it. 500 years of Norse

560
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,960
rule was overthrown by these 
pair of Alexander's Alexander 

561
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,480
the King and Alexander the 4th 
High Steward of Scotland. 

562
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,160
So that's pretty cool. 
I think it's worth pointing out 

563
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:48,320
here that the official Norse 
ruler might be gone, but Norse 

564
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,600
influence have become pervasive.
Yeah. 

565
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,480
So many. 
People live in England and 

566
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,480
France and all over the place. 
Yeah, so. 

567
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,400
So yeah, they were there, their 
influence was there. 

568
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:58,360
They just weren't ruling 
anymore. 

569
00:28:58,360 --> 00:28:59,520
That's probably a better way to 
put it. 

570
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,000
Yeah, good clarification. 
So let's talk a little bit about

571
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,960
Alexander the 3rd. 
When he defeated King Hakan, he 

572
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,640
was only 22. 
So that's a really good start. 

573
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,080
And with James Stewart, the 5th 
High Steward of Scotland's help,

574
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,800
the the son of, of Alexander, 
his, his reign was very 

575
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,680
successful to maintain peace 
with his southern neighbors. 

576
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,760
His father had married him to 
Margaret of England, the sister 

577
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,240
of a certain Prince Edward, 
who's going to be huge in this 

578
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:29,960
story. 
This Margaret was a daughter of 

579
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,560
Henry the third of England. 
So he was she was a member of 

580
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,320
House Plantagenet. 
So this is this happened when he

581
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,160
was 11 and she was 10. 
And eventually when they were 

582
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:42,400
around 20, they had a daughter 
who's also called Margaret and 

583
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:43,840
she was called Margaret of 
Scotland. 

584
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,280
Now then, they had an Alexander 
son, so yes, Margaret and 

585
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,440
Alexander had Margaret and 
Alexander. 

586
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,480
Then Alexander becomes the heir,
of course, because he's the boy.

587
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,640
And then eight years later, 
there's a son named David. 

588
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,240
So the perfect number of 
children in some ways, right? 

589
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,160
You got your heir, your heir to 
spare and a girl to form an 

590
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:06,680
alliance with to marry to 
another family. 

591
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,200
And that's how they would have 
looked at it anyway. 

592
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,600
So King Alexander and Queen 
Margaret attend the coronation 

593
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,960
of her brother after the death 
of King Henry the Third. 

594
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,800
Now, I'll tell you who that is. 
Edward Longshanks, AKA Tywin 

595
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,240
Lannister. 
Yes. 

596
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,320
George has been very open about 
comparing him to Tywin 

597
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,000
Lannister. 
He's the number one influence. 

598
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,560
And if you think that Longshanks
is going to have a peaceful 

599
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,000
relationship with Scotland, let 
me remind you or inform you, if 

600
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,560
you didn't know already, that 
one of his nicknames was the 

601
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,920
Hammer of the Scots. 
Yes. 

602
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,400
Not because he was friendly to 
them. 

603
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,000
Yes, Hammers. 
You don't hammer people you're 

604
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,360
friends with. 
I don't think certain 

605
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,360
euphemisms. 
Maybe it wasn't like the Scots 

606
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,240
were using. 
Oh, hey, good one. 

607
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,440
So, Edward, you might remember 
him from as the English king in 

608
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,480
Braveheart. 
And yeah, you might remind that 

609
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,240
might remind you of the kind of 
guy he was. 

610
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,560
And that's fairly accurate. 
Yeah, very tie when asked. 

611
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,000
He'd already conquered whales by
the time. 

612
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,320
So he was our very, very 
impressive figure. 

613
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,040
He was tall, 6 foot 2. 
That's where the name Longshanks

614
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,240
comes from. 
He had become king in 1272, 

615
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,920
about nine years after Scotland 
defeated the Norse. 

616
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,680
He was on crusade when he became
king, and not long before he 

617
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,080
became king he was attacked by 
the order of assassins. 

618
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,000
They tried to assassinate him. 
The actual original assassins 

619
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:31,600
from Syria, the Ismaili group, 
and King Edward actually fought 

620
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,600
off the Assassin and killed him,
but not before the Assassin 

621
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,960
poisoned him. 
Poison didn't kill Edward. 

622
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,240
He was able to get home. 
He was crowned a full year and a

623
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,880
half later after returning from 
the Holy Land. 

624
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,320
So Alexander the third was the 
brother-in-law, brother by 

625
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,200
marriage to Edward Longshanks. 
And this is good because you 

626
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,120
don't want that guy as an enemy.
So as long as you have you're 

627
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,400
married to his family. 
That that's a buffer, right? 

628
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,880
Unfortunately, this buffer fell 
apart kind of fast. 

629
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,240
Queen Margaret died the year 
after Edward was crowned. 

630
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,560
So, well, his sister's out of 
the way, but they're still, he 

631
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,000
still has, you know, nephews and
and and a niece, right? 

632
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,640
So there's still that six years 
later, in the year 12, at 81, 

633
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,080
Alexander shored up those 
relations with Norway by 

634
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,960
marrying Margaret of Scotland, 
his daughter to King Magnus, the

635
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:28,000
lawmender's son and heir, Eric. 
So here we see a difference and 

636
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,480
a difference in marriages, 
because she was married a little

637
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,000
later than you would expect, but
not a big deal here. 

638
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,840
Very soon after this marriage, 
the the real disaster unfolded 

639
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,600
for Alexander's heirs. 
They'd already lost their mother

640
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,560
in 1275, and though Alexander 
slept around a lot, he didn't 

641
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:50,400
remarry. 
So Prince David dies in 1281, 

642
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:55,760
the same year that his sister 
marries into the Norse throne. 

643
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,320
So this is the year 1281. 
Still the following year 

644
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:05,440
Alexander marries his son 
Alexander to another Margaret, 

645
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:10,200
Margaret of Flanders. 
Margaret of Scotland dies giving

646
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:15,680
birth to her son with Eric and 
the daughter is called Margaret.

647
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,640
It's already so many Margarets. 
So that's the daughter. 

648
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,000
The daughter-in-law and the 
granddaughter are all named 

649
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,920
Margaret, right? 
Yeah, yeah. 

650
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,040
And there's probably some more 
Margarets here and there that we

651
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:26,880
haven't. 
Yeah. 

652
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,840
And the and the other wife of of
the brother. 

653
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:34,160
So to son Prince Alexander. 
So to distinguish her from the 

654
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,000
other, She's the Maid of Norway.
That's the name very familiar to

655
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,200
A Song of Ice and Fire, 
Margaret, the Maid of Norway. 

656
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:44,320
The following year though, the 
heir, Prince Alexander dies, so 

657
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,000
he's gone and they waited a 
little while to see if Margaret 

658
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,320
of Flanders was pregnant because
if she had a kid then that would

659
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,880
be the heir, but she was not. 
So this is very much a Jaharis 

660
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,520
and Alison situation. 
Alexander the Third outlived his

661
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:59,720
wife and all his children, 
leading to an eventual great 

662
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,680
council type situation and which
we'll get to in a second. 

663
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,440
This is tragic as well for 
Scotland because all of a sudden

664
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,960
all the people related to Edward
Longshanks in the royal family 

665
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,679
are dead. 
So all of a sudden he can go, 

666
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,920
no, I can maybe think about 
invading or come after you in 

667
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,040
some way, exercise my authority.
And of course, that's exactly 

668
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:25,400
what he did. 
But Scotland saw this coming, or

669
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,159
at least was worried about this 
possibility. 

670
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:30,880
So in 1284, Alexander the Third 
induces the Parliament of 

671
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,159
Scotland to accept this 
granddaughter, the maid of 

672
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:37,600
Norway, as his heir presumptive,
even though she lives in Norway,

673
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,000
even though she's, you know, 
product of the Norwegian 

674
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,760
influence and all that. 
They're like, well, this is this

675
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,600
is the only kid we've got, let's
go with her. 

676
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,320
And to strengthen that claim and
to re establish relationship 

677
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:54,679
with England, they married her 
to King Edward's heir, Prince 

678
00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:58,000
Edward, who would eventually be 
Edward the Second. 

679
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,240
Not for a long time, though. 
Now you'd say, wait a minute. 

680
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,120
I'm sure they're fully in love 
too. 

681
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,400
Right. 
Oh, they're fully in love yes. 

682
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,040
At this at this very early age. 
She's Margaret of Norway is 

683
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:15,080
about what, 7 at this time 8 so 
yeah, not very old now you would

684
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,160
seem to you would think wait, 
did he really just marry his 

685
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:22,000
only heir to the this the Prince
of England? 

686
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,320
Wouldn't that mean her lands go 
to their children? 

687
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,360
And that gives Edward Longshanks
what he wants? 

688
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,400
They're just going to give the 
throne of Scotland through 

689
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,640
marriage? 
No, the the marriage pact had a 

690
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,720
specific carve out for that, 
that it would not pass to 

691
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:39,760
England. 
The question is, would Edward 

692
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:44,040
Longshanks actually obey this? 
Maybe, maybe not. 

693
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,960
At the time they said, well, 
maybe the best course of action 

694
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,840
is to not tempt fate and just 
yo, King Alexander, you're not 

695
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,680
that old, just remarry. 
Maybe you can have a son or more

696
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,720
daughters or something. 
And that, that'll solve this 

697
00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:57,240
problem altogether. 
So that's what he does. 

698
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,840
He remarries to a woman named 
Yolanda of Drew. 

699
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,440
Probably said that wrong. 
She's French. 

700
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:07,120
I don't speak French. 
But Alexander then pulls a 

701
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,960
Baylon Greyjoy slash. 
Luthor Tyrell. 

702
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,720
Oh boy, he was brave, Brave guy.
He fought in that war. 

703
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:17,560
He did a lot of stuff, but maybe
too brave. 

704
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:22,760
On March 19th, 1286, he rode off
at night during a storm because 

705
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,800
March 20th, the next day, was 
going to be Lana's birthday. 

706
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,880
He didn't want to miss her 
birthday, right? 

707
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:32,040
You got to be there for your new
wife's birthday, even if you're 

708
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:36,800
riding in the storm and 
darkness, which his counselors 

709
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,480
had repeatedly told him not to 
do. 

710
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,680
So what does he do? 
I told you, Luthor Tyrell. 

711
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,000
I told you. 
Baylon Greyjoy. 

712
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,080
That's right. 
He went right off a Cliff. 

713
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,600
He rode right off a Cliff in the
rain and darkness. 

714
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,720
Broke his neck in the earldom of
Fife at a place called the 

715
00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:53,480
Kinghorn. 
Yeah. 

716
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,360
Kinghorn, or in this case, King 
Fall and break his neck. 

717
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,800
So that was a problem. 
So whoops. 

718
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,520
Lots of oopsies here and lots of
people dying, and all of a 

719
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,400
sudden you've got a big problem.
So what happens next? 

720
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,920
It's called the Great Cause. 
At the beginning I mentioned 

721
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,880
that the Great 'cause is pretty 
much the Great Council. 

722
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,880
Yeah, that's, that's right. 
It pretty much is the Great 

723
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:19,640
Council now, because there's no 
obvious ruler at this point, 

724
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,520
you've got the Guardians of 
Scotland who come forward. 

725
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,680
They are Regents. 
This is very much like the 

726
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,400
Regency of Aegon the Third or 
perhaps some other regencies 

727
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,760
where the Regents weren't very 
kind to each other. 

728
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,800
They didn't exactly work 
together that well. 

729
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,800
In some cases, they killed each 
other or tried to kill each 

730
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,440
other. 
There's a little unwind peak in 

731
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,040
here, or maybe a lot. 
There were six of these guys 

732
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:45,000
with rotations at the top, like,
meaning who was in charge of 

733
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,600
them changed and changed 
quickly. 

734
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,040
The first primary Regent was 
Duncan, the third Earl of Fife. 

735
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,840
This is exactly the place where 
the king fell to his death. 

736
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:56,560
So it's just. 
But that's just a coincidence 

737
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,040
now. 
Well, probably. 

738
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,280
Yeah. 
They they summoned the storm in 

739
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:01,680
darkness that killed him. 
Yeah, that's right. 

740
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,440
Now the they were the second 
most powerful at the realm of 

741
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:06,680
the time. 
Eventually that's going to be 

742
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,240
the Stuarts. 
And and they're going to take 

743
00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:10,600
more than just their position of
promise. 

744
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,440
They're going to take their 
position as the people who are 

745
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:19,040
able to use the Stone of Scone, 
AKA the Stone of Destiny, which 

746
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,720
is a coronation tool or 
coronation artifact. 

747
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,560
Whenever a new king of Scotland 
was crowned, they would use the 

748
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,480
Stone of Destiny, and this stone
remains a part of the story 

749
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,160
going forward. 
Real quick, I want to say 

750
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:32,280
something about that. 
Yeah, do it. 

751
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,600
At first I thought this was a 
stone, like, you know, maybe the

752
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,920
size of a a baseball or 
something. 

753
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,640
It's huge. 
It's like 2 feet by 1 foot by 1 

754
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,920
foot. 
It weighs like over 300 lbs It's

755
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,240
huge. 
Wow. 

756
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,080
It it still exists today. 
Eventually it got incorporated 

757
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,640
into the British throne that 
they crowned the king on. 

758
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,440
They like, built a chair around 
this stone. 

759
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,320
King Charles last year sat on 
that stone to be crowned the 

760
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:00,120
king of England. 
Yeah. 

761
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,320
Pretty amazing. 
I saw a bunch of other stories 

762
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,160
around it too. 
It like got blown up in a 

763
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,520
terrorist attack by suffrage 
rights actually at one point and

764
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,720
it got stolen by the Scottish 
students to bring it back from 

765
00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:14,200
England to Scotland and all 
sorts of history around. 

766
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,200
That I've got a few more details
about the Scone of stone, The 

767
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,680
Stone of Scone rather, it was 
called the Scone of stone and 

768
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,360
Terry Pratchett, he reversed it.
So that's why I said that. 

769
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,320
No, actually, I said that by 
accident and then just kind of 

770
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,160
pivoted to that. 
So, but really the the Stone of 

771
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,040
Scone, we'll have a little bit 
more about that at the end too, 

772
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,920
and a little more in the middle 
now. 

773
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:36,480
But Duncan the third here is on 
his way to the Capitol to do his

774
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,920
business ruling as this, you 
know, as the one of the most 

775
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,280
powerful men in Scotland at the 
time. 

776
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,640
And his own kin murder him. 
They just kill him. 

777
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,160
They're like, Nope, not, not for
you. 

778
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,800
That made his baby son Duncan 
the 4th, the new Earl of Fife. 

779
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,880
But you can't be coronating 
people and wielding the Stone of

780
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,720
Scone when you're a baby. 
So his responsibilities were 

781
00:39:56,720 --> 00:40:00,480
handed off and that was prestige
for a different family. 

782
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,040
But. 
We're going to come back to 

783
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:04,960
Duncan the 4th later when he's 
an adult. 

784
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,760
The next head region was a guy 
named Alexander Coleman. 

785
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,920
Now the Coleman's are going to 
be pretty big in the story too. 

786
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,960
He had been Alexander the 
Third's chief counselor. 

787
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,680
So he was our he was in good 
with the king and was was well 

788
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,720
respected. 
But he was also dead within a 

789
00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:21,200
year. 
So we have a region who rules 

790
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,440
for less than a year killed by 
his own family, then another 

791
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,520
region who dies and we're not 
really sure why. 

792
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:26,680
He may have just died of old 
age. 

793
00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:30,680
James Stewart, the 5th High 
Steward, now becomes the chief 

794
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,920
Regent. 
So that guy had been around and 

795
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,480
had been effective even after 
taking over for his father, who 

796
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,320
was another Alexander. 
Now, along with James Stewart, 

797
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,240
there's another Alexander, 
rather the son of the Alexander 

798
00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:45,840
Coleman that we just mentioned, 
Black John Common. 

799
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,360
So the last four Regents are 
James Stewart, 5th High Steward,

800
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,240
Black John Common, and two 
bishops named Robert and 

801
00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:55,200
William. 
And Robert in particular is 

802
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:56,960
going to be important. 
Now let's talk about the 

803
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,720
Douglases for a minute. 
Let a little Douglas interlude. 

804
00:40:59,720 --> 00:41:04,320
We'll say the Lord Douglas of 
this time was called Sir William

805
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:05,520
the Bold. 
Yes. 

806
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,200
Not to be confused with Bearish 
and the Bold. 

807
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,240
Or actually go right ahead and 
confuse him for Bearish and the 

808
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:12,680
Bold if you want to. 
He had married Elizabeth 

809
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,280
Stewart, the daughter of 
Alexander, this 4th High Steward

810
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,560
who led the Scottish Scottish 
armies against the Norse. 

811
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:25,880
She seems to have died back in 
1288, but not before Alexander 

812
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:30,160
Stewart and her had a a kid 
named James. 

813
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:31,560
James. 
A new one. 

814
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:36,520
Yes, that's right. 
This James is remembered by the 

815
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:41,120
English as the Black Douglas and
he's remembered by the Scottish.

816
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,080
He has good Sir James. 
So it's really all about where 

817
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,080
you're sitting because to the 
Scots he was a hero to the James

818
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,240
he was like to the to the 
English, he was like a boogeyman

819
00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:52,720
of sorts, like the J The Black 
Douglas will come get you. 

820
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,440
And as we go through the story, 
you'll see why he has that 

821
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,000
reputation. 
Now a little confusion because 

822
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:02,080
there are the Black Douglases, 
which is a branch of the Douglas

823
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:06,240
family that forms from his 
descendants, but he's the Black 

824
00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:08,600
Douglas. 
It's not exactly the same thing.

825
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:13,920
Anyway, this guy, after his wife
Elizabeth Stewart dies, decides 

826
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,840
he needs to remarry 'cause he's 
only got 1 James as a son. 

827
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,880
You need more than that. 
You need multiple James's and 

828
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,800
Williams to survive in this 
environment, right? 

829
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,680
So he needs more kids. 
He he abducts a woman named 

830
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,800
Eleanor de Lovaine and it's a 
mystery. 

831
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:32,040
It's like how did Aegon the 
Uncrowned and his wife Reyna, 

832
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,800
how did they get their Dragons 
when they were out in the field 

833
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,080
and they snuck back into King's 
land? 

834
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,520
Somehow they got their Dragons 
to fight against Megor. 

835
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,640
We don't know how that happened.
It was some some amazing 

836
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,600
adventure that George has yet to
describe. 

837
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,760
Similar case here. 
This guy marries Eleanor even 

838
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:53,440
though at the time she was 
besieged by a different army in 

839
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,040
a castle, right? 
She's stuck in a castle with a 

840
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,480
besieging army around and he has
nothing to do with this army. 

841
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:03,760
Yet somehow she escapes this 
castle to and is his prisoner 

842
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,640
now prisoner. 
I'm using finger quotes to 

843
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,880
describe because it seems like 
she was in on this or wanted it 

844
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:15,800
or something because a he was 
punished for it for kidnapping 

845
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:20,720
her but she bailed him out so 
that tells you something and he 

846
00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:22,680
was then allowed to marry her. 
Which is like, usually you're 

847
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,120
not allowed to marry people you 
kidnap. 

848
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,080
But I mean, this is a different 
time and place, right? 

849
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,080
But King Edward Longshanks was 
not happy about all this. 

850
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,920
Even though he has no authority 
here, he ordered his land 

851
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,080
seized, which he did actually 
have some authority because the 

852
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,240
Douglass had English lands and 
Scottish lands. 

853
00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:43,880
So he said, hey, your English 
lands were taking that and I 

854
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,000
want those two delivered to me 
because he didn't approve of 

855
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,240
this marriage. 
He didn't approve of any of 

856
00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:49,320
this. 
But the Guardians of Scotland 

857
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,880
just said they said nothing, 
actually, they just didn't do 

858
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,920
it. 
So Edward was got mad and and 

859
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,920
waited for an opportunity to get
his revenge. 

860
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:06,800
And he did get it now with her, 
with Eleanor the Black Douglas 

861
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:11,160
had a a son called Hugh Douglas 
who was called Hugh the Dull. 

862
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,840
Now it's not very nice to call 
him Hugh the Dull. 

863
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,400
He wasn't stupid. 
He was a cleric, he was a a 

864
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,120
priest. 
So he was boring. 

865
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,080
That was the idea. 
They called him dull because he 

866
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:28,040
was boring, but more importantly
he had a another son called Sir 

867
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,280
Archibald Douglas, the man from 
whom the red Douglas's would 

868
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:36,040
descend. 
So this again is William the 

869
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,800
Bold has the black Douglas, the 
Red the future red Douglas and 

870
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,520
Hugh the doll in between them, 
right? 

871
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,840
So William the Bold had a back 
and forth relationship with 

872
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,280
Longshanks mostly back. 
As you can see, he's already mad

873
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,280
at him for the kidnapping and 
this marriage and not being 

874
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:58,600
seized when he was ordered. 
And this is going to be a thing 

875
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,520
going forward. 
So the, the the Scottish 

876
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:04,760
nobility is like, all right, 
there's still no more options. 

877
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,640
Alexander the third is dead. 
His his widow didn't have a 

878
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,320
child. 
She, she was, you know, oh, 

879
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,520
wait, oh, she does have a child.
Wait, no, she doesn't. 

880
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,600
She's pregnant, but the child is
stillborn. 

881
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,680
So that's that's no good. 
So they go ahead with Margaret, 

882
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:24,520
as in the Maid of Norway, to be 
the Queen. 

883
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,600
Air presumptive. 
Maybe something will change. 

884
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:27,640
Maybe something else will 
change. 

885
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,680
Not air presumptive, but you 
know, maybe something else will 

886
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,600
happen. 
But she's the only one they have

887
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,160
so. 
What's the timing here? 

888
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:35,760
How old is she at this point, do
you know? 

889
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,280
She's seven, Yeah. 
Still a child. 

890
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,080
Yeah, she's seven years old, 
very young. 

891
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:46,040
So they agree. 
And I mean, they a majority of 

892
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,800
Scottish nobles, but enough of 
them are not happy about this, 

893
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:53,240
including Robert De Bruce, Not 
Robert the Bruce, his father, 

894
00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:57,160
Robert De Bruce, right, The 
Bruce and de Bruce, like there's

895
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,240
the span, the French version and
the not one is the father, one 

896
00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:01,920
is the son, the famous one is 
the son. 

897
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:06,480
This is the father, Robert De 
Bruce and his friends go to the 

898
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,480
spot where they're planning to 
inaugurate Margaret and just 

899
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,720
camp out there with soldiers 
because they aren't going to 

900
00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:13,840
allow this to happen. 
They're like, Nope, you will not

901
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,360
crown her. 
Turns out they didn't have to 

902
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:20,840
bother because on the on like on
the ship or on the road, not 

903
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,080
entirely clear where, but on the
way from Norway, she dies. 

904
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,640
There's just, there's no 
evidence of foul play. 

905
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,440
It's not even suggested. 
But she rode her horse off a 

906
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,200
Cliff. 
She blown her ship. 

907
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,200
She blown her ship off a Cliff. 
The world was flat back then, 

908
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,560
let's not forget. 
So it's pretty suspicious. 

909
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:44,280
But I don't know that Edward 
Longshanks could have murdered 

910
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,160
her from that far away. 
It's possible. 

911
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:47,920
Maybe someone loyal to him, I 
don't know. 

912
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,320
It's there. 
There's definitely reason to be 

913
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,680
suspicious. 
He's the beneficiary and it 

914
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:57,480
throws Scotland into chaos. 
So here's where it becomes the 

915
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:02,040
Great Council of one-on-one 
situation because they have to 

916
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,440
go, well, who's going to be king
now? 

917
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,440
And they, they decide, OK, let's
not fight over it if possible. 

918
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,560
If possible, they try not to 
fight over it. 

919
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,960
And the idea is, OK, we'll just 
put forth anyone wants to come 

920
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:19,680
forward with a claim can say, 
all right, I want you all to 

921
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,160
examine my legal claim. 
And then eventually going to 

922
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,080
figure out who has the best 
claim and that person's going to

923
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,800
be king. 14 people came forward.
It's a very similar number to 

924
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,000
how many came forward in the 
Great Council of 101. 

925
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:32,960
One of them was actually the 
King Eric of Norway. 

926
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:37,840
He's like, yeah, my daughter was
going to be king or queen, why 

927
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,600
not me? 
Like, well, you have no relation

928
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,520
to any of this anymore, King 
Eric. 

929
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:47,120
But that's the medieval mindset.
And the foremost ones were John 

930
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,680
Balliol and that same Robert 
Debruce. 

931
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:53,120
So you kind of can see why 
Robert Debruce didn't want 

932
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,720
Margaret crowned because he 
wanted it for himself, right? 

933
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,040
So, so did this Jon Balliol 
character. 

934
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,800
And well, let's go back to a 
quote from George. 

935
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,520
Here we go. 
When Alexander the third King of

936
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:11,600
Scots rode over a Cliff and 
Margaret the Maid of Norway died

937
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,600
on route back home and the 
Scottish Lords called on Edward 

938
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,280
the First of England to decide 
who had the best claim to the 

939
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,840
throne. 
Something like 14 or 15. 

940
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,120
I need to look up the exact 
number. 

941
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:30,080
Competitors came forward to 
present their pedigrees and 

942
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,720
documents to the court. 
The decision eventually boiled 

943
00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:37,480
down to precedence. 
John Balliol versus proximity 

944
00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:42,440
Bruce and went to Balliol. 
But those other 13 guys all had 

945
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,720
claims as well. 
King Eric of Norway, for 

946
00:48:45,720 --> 00:48:49,960
instance, based his claim to the
throne on his daughter, the 

947
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,320
aforementioned Maid of Norway, 
who had been the Queen. 

948
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,080
However briefly. 
He seemed to believe that 

949
00:48:56,080 --> 00:49:00,040
inheritance should run 
backwards, and hell, if he had 

950
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,480
been the King of France instead 
of the king of Norway, maybe it 

951
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,200
would have. 
The medieval world was governed 

952
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:10,480
by men, not by laws. 
You could even make a case that 

953
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:14,720
the Lords preferred the laws to 
be vague and contradictory, 

954
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:20,560
since that gave them more power.
Great insight by George there 

955
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,240
both tells you how he operates 
as a writer and how the real 

956
00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:27,960
world operated then and now. 
Yes, people can be above the 

957
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:29,320
law. 
Laws are for people who aren't 

958
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,600
above them. 
And usually the nobles are above

959
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,640
them, especially these most 
powerful of nobles. 

960
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,280
There's always ways to get 
around. 

961
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:38,880
Sometimes it's, it's difficult. 
You know, you've got the Pope 

962
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,520
and, and other Lords and, and, 
and laws that to, to contend 

963
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:46,800
with, but you can see that 
those, even those things can be 

964
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,400
overcome. 
So as George said, Edward 

965
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,880
Longshanks is invited by many 
Scottish Lords, not all but many

966
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,880
to administer but not adjudicate
the situation. 

967
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:59,520
Right. 
That's a very fine line They're 

968
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,280
walking with a very dangerous, 
ambitious man. 

969
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:06,000
And indeed, as soon as he's 
brought in, he's like, all 

970
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,080
right, if you want me to do 
this, you guys will have to be 

971
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,240
my vassals. 
You know, all of Scotland has to

972
00:50:11,240 --> 00:50:13,880
be my vassal. 
They're like, that's exactly 

973
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,200
what we didn't want to do. 
And he's he tries to force the 

974
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,680
issue. 
And here's where we get the 

975
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,440
Harold Westerling on TV 
argument. 

976
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,600
Remember what happened on House 
of the Dragon? 

977
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,680
Harold Westerling is ordered by 
Otto to go kill Rainier and her 

978
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,000
children. 
He says, I'm a Kingsguard, Lord 

979
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:31,280
commander. 
The Kingsguard, the only person 

980
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,320
who can give me an order is the 
king. 

981
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,520
There's no king. 
I don't have to listen to any of

982
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:36,600
you. 
See you later. 

983
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,520
Now, they couldn't just walk 
away from Edward because they're

984
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,040
in their own country, but they 
did make a similar argument. 

985
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,480
It's like, look, Edward, the 
only one who can give you what 

986
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,240
you want is the king, and we 
don't have a king. 

987
00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:51,280
Only the King's order would be 
valid. 

988
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:52,800
Only the king can do homage to 
you. 

989
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,640
And we don't have 1:00. 
So we can't agree to that. 

990
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,960
If we make a king and he agrees 
to that, then maybe, but we 

991
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,240
can't agree to that. 
We lack the authority. 

992
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,360
We can't. 
It's not our place. 

993
00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:06,320
It's a pretty good argument, but
of course it annoys the heck out

994
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,960
of Edward, and he doesn't 
exactly give up. 

995
00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:13,600
So yeah, it's 1292 that John 
Balliol is chosen king, as 

996
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,720
George pointed out in the quote 
there six years after 

997
00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:18,960
Alexander's death. 
So they went six years without a

998
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,240
king. 
And even this doesn't go very 

999
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:25,480
well because a lot of people are
like, screw this Balliol guy, we

1000
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,080
don't agree with it. 
Douglas the Bold. 

1001
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,000
William Douglas the Bold doesn't
show up for the first Parliament

1002
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,480
and neither does Robert Debruce,
which really both undermines his

1003
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:38,240
John Balliols authority and gets
them in trouble with John and 

1004
00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:40,720
with King Edward. 
One little side note here I 

1005
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:43,880
found interesting was the the 
council, the people making this 

1006
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,000
decision. 
It was 40 people picked by 

1007
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:51,480
Balliol, 40 people picked by 
Bruce, and 24 people picked by 

1008
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,440
Edward. 
It was 104 people. 

1009
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,760
I don't know how where they come
up with those numbers and how 

1010
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,680
the other 12 or whatever 
claimants didn't get to pick any

1011
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:03,080
of the people involved. 
But I think that would be as 

1012
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:06,400
interesting as anything to learn
about how and who those 

1013
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:07,480
individuals were. 
But. 

1014
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:12,120
Yeah, I agree. 
So next is the old alliance. 

1015
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,680
Our next section, Edward 
Longshanks finally just went too

1016
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:16,240
far. 
He kept ordering the Scots 

1017
00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:18,240
around. 
He made John Bally, I'll go to 

1018
00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:20,840
court in England over some kind 
of trivial matter. 

1019
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,200
Was very embarrassing for a king
to be summoned to do a minor 

1020
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,640
legal matter in another country.
But he went because he didn't 

1021
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:30,000
want to upset Edward. 
But finally, Edward ordered 

1022
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,800
Scotland to just provide 
military support for his war in 

1023
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,800
France and they and that finally
they balked. 

1024
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,120
Not only do they balk, they 
formed the old alliance with 

1025
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,120
France that was a mutual pact 
against England. 

1026
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:46,120
This was huge. 
This is like Mance Rayder 

1027
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,440
signing a deal with Tywin 
Lannister, right? 

1028
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:52,800
Or Baylon Greyjoy with Tywin, 
because this is a very small 

1029
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,440
country. 
Scotland is not powerful. 

1030
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:58,040
Scotland at this point is 
particularly small and and not 

1031
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,680
well regarded on the 
international stage, right? 

1032
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,160
They didn't have a lot of 
regional power. 

1033
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,600
They were mostly just controlled
by these outside nations. 

1034
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,280
This is starting to change and 
there's a big sign of that. 

1035
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,200
Yes, the the deal heavily 
favored France as a result of 

1036
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,720
France being the much more 
powerful half of this 

1037
00:53:15,720 --> 00:53:18,680
partnership. 
But the deal was with Iron King 

1038
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:20,960
Philip the 4th. 
This is the guy that ended the 

1039
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,160
Templars. 
This is the guy that starts the 

1040
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,520
accursed king series that we've 
referenced so many times. 

1041
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,880
This was Philip the fair. 
He was an incredibly powerful 

1042
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:31,680
king. 
So to be dealing with this John 

1043
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:35,440
Ballyhol guy who was not even 
like well invested, like a lot 

1044
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,280
of the Scottish lawyers weren't 
even following his authorities. 

1045
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,280
So it was a pretty big deal. 
And the reason I bring up Tywin,

1046
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:44,560
not only because the deal was 
with against Edward, but because

1047
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,840
Tywin actually says this, 
remember, there's a council 

1048
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,680
meeting in, I think a Clash of 
Kings. 

1049
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,160
But maybe it's, no, it must be a
Storm of Swords. 

1050
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,960
Definitely a Storm of Swords 
where they're talking about the 

1051
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,360
fact that Mance Rayder is 
invading the North and they're 

1052
00:53:58,360 --> 00:53:59,640
like, maybe we should have a 
deal with him. 

1053
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,960
And Tywin's like, we don't have 
to have a deal with him. 

1054
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,960
He's doing what we want. 
We'll just let him do that. 

1055
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,880
We don't have to have a deal. 
Why give him anything? 

1056
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,960
He's already doing what we want.
And then he made the same point 

1057
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:11,800
about Bailon Greyjoy. 
He's like Bailon Greyjoy's 

1058
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,840
attacking the North. 
He wants to deal with us. 

1059
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,240
Let's see how well he does. 
If he gets a little farther, 

1060
00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:17,520
maybe then we'll make a deal 
with him. 

1061
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:21,000
Which eventually Tywin does 
suggest marrying Cersei to 

1062
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,360
Bailon, which of course Cersei 
and many others are like, no, 

1063
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,560
please don't do that. 
And then Tywin dies so it 

1064
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:30,000
doesn't happen. 
But similar point here, Iron 

1065
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,080
King Phillip maybe didn't really
need Scotland as an ally, maybe 

1066
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,400
didn't really care. 
He couldn't really hurt him, but

1067
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,000
it could only help. 
It's it's the same thing they're

1068
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,360
going to they're totally willing
to use Scotland and if it got 

1069
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,240
more out of it, great. 
If not, no big deal, they're 

1070
00:54:43,240 --> 00:54:44,280
still going to have to fight 
England. 

1071
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,000
So here's a line from George. 
Just a single line. 

1072
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:48,920
He said. 
Certainly the policies Edward 

1073
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:50,800
followed, Tywin would have 
approved of. 

1074
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,520
So yeah, this goes to show, 
right? 

1075
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:57,480
So Tywin, Tywin rather Edward 
responded to the old alliance by

1076
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,320
invading and he takes the town 
of Berwick on Tweed. 

1077
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,880
Berwick on tree Tweed, where he 
killed a lot of citizens, a 

1078
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:04,440
massacre. 
This was actually portrayed in 

1079
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,320
Braveheart. 
It just so happens that Berwick 

1080
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:14,320
was governed by William Douglas 
the Bold, the very guy that 

1081
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,960
Edward had ordered seized but 
was not seized. 

1082
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,800
So he goes right for his lands 
when he invades. 

1083
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,280
This time Edward had him though,
because Douglas was brave and he

1084
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:25,440
wasn't going to abandon his 
lands. 

1085
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,680
He defends the city and is 
captured. 

1086
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:33,440
He is forced to sign a new oath 
to Edward and then he just kind 

1087
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,480
of breaks the deal. 
He the battle of Dunbar happens.

1088
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:40,800
England wins that easily, takes 
the capital and takes the Stone 

1089
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,200
of Destiny. 
No, Edward seizes the Stone of 

1090
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,320
Destiny. 
James, the 5th high steward of 

1091
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,000
Scotland at this point, who's 
still around? 

1092
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:50,240
He's going to be around for a 
while. 

1093
00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:53,560
He says this is going very 
badly, We can't beat Edward. 

1094
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:55,560
He surrenders. 
The rest of the Scottish 

1095
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,960
nobility basically follows his 
lead and says, yeah, well, if 

1096
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,400
he's not fighting and we're not,
we're not fighting either. 

1097
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:05,040
King John Balliol has is forced 
into a very humiliating 

1098
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,680
surrender. 
He has to stand in front of 

1099
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:11,840
Edward with his coat with all 
its sigils and and all the 

1100
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,760
heraldry in front of all these 
English nobles while they RIP 

1101
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:19,880
the sigils off his coat. 
To this day, he's known as empty

1102
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:24,600
coat Tomb Tabard. 
Yes, people still call him that 

1103
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,240
to this day. 
He was eventually imprisoned in 

1104
00:56:27,240 --> 00:56:30,840
the Tower of London and then 
eventually after that sent to 

1105
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,120
live out his days as a rich but 
obscure person. 

1106
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,440
And he's out of the story. 
Worth noting, this is another 

1107
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,000
example of someone that you 
almost just expected they would 

1108
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:43,240
execute, but they didn't. 
He's an adult, he's the king, 

1109
00:56:43,240 --> 00:56:45,240
but they want to remove him. 
You would think they want to 

1110
00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:47,000
remove his line. 
They might even kill his kids. 

1111
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:48,320
You can imagine all kinds of 
butt. 

1112
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,760
Nah, just go. 
Just don't bother. 

1113
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,400
Just out of the picture and 
everything will be OK. 

1114
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:58,080
And indeed, his son is going to 
enter the picture at some point.

1115
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:02,040
But before that, Edward says, 
all right, I, I conquered 

1116
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:03,440
Scotland's. 
It's done. 

1117
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,520
It was not done, however. 
He did take the Stone of Destiny

1118
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:12,000
to London and then went to 
France where he continued 

1119
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,480
warring and ordered many 
Scottish Lords who he considered

1120
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,600
his vassals now to follow him 
there. 

1121
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,400
Most did because they were still
scared of this guy for good 

1122
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,720
reason. 
He was intimidating, capable and

1123
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:25,480
had a lot more soldiers and 
money than they did. 

1124
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,160
But some of them still just 
didn't obey. 

1125
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,320
William the Bold just said no, 
he just didn't show up. 

1126
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,200
He just said I'm going to stay 
here and we'll see what happens.

1127
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,520
Bishop Robert, that same Bishop 
Robert who was one of the 

1128
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,880
counselors, he also refused, 
just didn't show up. 

1129
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,160
Another little footnote. 
I think I meant to mention this 

1130
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,680
earlier, but that's part of why 
Douglas the Black got that name,

1131
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,800
because Scotland was usually 
fighting from a disadvantage. 

1132
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:51,760
Like England just had way more 
supplies, population, 

1133
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,880
infrastructure and so on. 
And so Scotland would use like 

1134
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,240
Grilla tactics, right? 
They wouldn't like March up 

1135
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,120
troops in middle of the field to
fight at 9:00 AM. 

1136
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:04,840
You know, they would attack on 
the roads, little skirmishes and

1137
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:09,280
Grilla tactic type stuff. 
And it was like Black Douglas. 

1138
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:13,280
It was like unfair, like, you 
know, he's a bringing us doom, 

1139
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,800
you know, of course, the 
Scotland Ziggy with Douglas the 

1140
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,360
Good. 
Yeah, you're beating the 

1141
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:21,520
English. 
You know, Yep, it's very true 

1142
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,840
that guerrilla tactics were what
they had to work with. 

1143
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:25,360
They couldn't face the English 
directly. 

1144
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,800
Kind of like America. 
We couldn't face the English 

1145
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:29,560
either directly. 
We had to do guerrilla tactics. 

1146
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,520
Different style of guerrilla 
tactics, gunpower era, but 

1147
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,280
similar line of thinking. 
This is very much Aegon the 

1148
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,160
First or dare on the 1st 
thinking, hey, I conquered Dorn,

1149
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:40,720
I installed some people, now I 
can go elsewhere. 

1150
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,920
But as soon as he left, they 
rose up. 

1151
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:44,560
And that's exactly what happened
here. 

1152
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,600
As soon as Edward went to 
France, they were like, aha, 

1153
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:51,640
he's embroiled with the French. 
That's a really powerful army. 

1154
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,320
That's a really powerful nation 
He's fighting. 

1155
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,960
This is our chance to rise up. 
Edward, of course, would not 

1156
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,840
forgive or forget that they rose
up while he was engaged. 

1157
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:04,520
So they rise up. 
This is when Andrew Moray and 

1158
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,760
then William Wallace emerges as 
leaders. 

1159
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,360
The movie was accurate in one 
way in that William Wallace did 

1160
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,960
start off by killing a sheriff. 
The the reason for killing that 

1161
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,480
sheriff is was not because they 
killed his wife, but whatever. 

1162
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:23,120
Edward was too busy in France. 
He orders Robert the Bruce to go

1163
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:28,440
back to England or Scotland 
rather and deal with the 

1164
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:33,040
Douglas. 
So Robert the Bruce gets some 

1165
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:37,000
men together, goes to the 
Douglas lands, and when he gets 

1166
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,240
there, he's like, I'm here to 
join you. 

1167
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,200
So he just flips and says I'm on
your side. 

1168
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,760
His head's like, it's we're told
he had like a crisis of 

1169
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,000
conscience. 
Who knows what really happened? 

1170
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:49,600
Maybe he planned all along. 
He's like, all right, here's my 

1171
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,440
chance. 
It's portrayed that he was, you 

1172
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,800
know, conflicted about it until 
he got there. 

1173
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:57,720
But who knows what really 
happened anyway? 

1174
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,880
The first noble supporter of 
William Wallace and Andrew 

1175
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:03,920
Moray. 
It was William the Bold. 

1176
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:05,880
He immediately broke that oath 
of fealty. 

1177
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:09,080
He's like, yeah, I had an oath 
to, I took an oath to the king 

1178
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:12,120
of England, but my oath to 
Scotland is stronger. 

1179
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:15,680
It's very much a Jaime Lannister
like a oath conundrum. 

1180
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,120
He's like, yeah, I took an oath,
but I took that. 

1181
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,040
I took this oath too. 
And they, you know, so yeah, I 

1182
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,360
love that the, the conflicting 
oath comes up big here. 

1183
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,800
I don't suppose he was really 
that conflicted about it, but 

1184
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:31,880
he's able to say that, you know?
So Robert De Bruce is only 22 

1185
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:33,840
years old at this point. 
He's one of the first other 

1186
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:37,920
nobles to join. 
And quickly Moray and Wallace 

1187
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,360
win the Battle of Sterling 
Bridge, which is portrayed in 

1188
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:44,520
Braveheart, though without a 
bridge, it's just the Battle of 

1189
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:45,280
Sterling. 
I don't know. 

1190
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,520
They didn't call it anything 
anyway, they wouldn't have 

1191
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:50,000
battle. 
But shortly after, Lord William 

1192
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,520
is captured again. 
This time he doesn't get out of 

1193
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:54,760
prison. 
They mistreat him in jail and he

1194
01:00:54,760 --> 01:01:00,400
dies the following year in 1298.
But his heirs would cause all 

1195
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,960
sorts of problems. 
This is this is the remember, 

1196
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,400
this is the father of the black 
Douglas, not the black Douglas. 

1197
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,280
Now the black Douglas is going 
to get going. 

1198
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:12,000
But back in 1298, Edward won a 
political victory. 

1199
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:15,600
He actually got the king of 
France to agree to a truce. 

1200
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,120
And in that deal, they just cut 
Scotland out. 

1201
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:21,440
They're like, well, see what I 
said before, Like the king 

1202
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:25,040
didn't have to necessarily give 
Scotland what he wanted because 

1203
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:27,160
they were the more powerful end 
of the partnership here. 

1204
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:30,720
And in fact it was no longer the
Iron King in charge anyway. 

1205
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:34,480
So Edward just reinvade Scotland
under now that he has a truce 

1206
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,200
with France. 
This was happens at the same 

1207
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:38,640
time William Wallace is 
knighted. 

1208
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:40,680
William Wallace is named 
guardian of the Kingdom of 

1209
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:43,360
Scotland. 
There's some evidence actually. 

1210
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:47,160
William was ruling in a non non 
military capacity. 

1211
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:49,360
See this title over the whole 
country. 

1212
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:53,520
But interestingly, when Edward 
later conquered it again or won 

1213
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,360
several battles, he destroyed a 
lot of the records. 

1214
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,840
This is maybe why we're missing 
some of the other other records 

1215
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,680
as well. 
Anyway, Edward defeated William 

1216
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:05,120
at Falkirk. 
William escaped but resigned his

1217
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:08,200
post because no one trusted him 
as a military leader anymore. 

1218
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:10,040
He had, he had failed. 
And they're like, well, we got 

1219
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:14,080
to go with somebody else. 
The Pope said, Edward stop, stop

1220
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:15,760
doing this. 
But he didn't. 

1221
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,960
Wallace instead goes to France, 
starts trying to recruit 

1222
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,280
instead, since he's no longer a 
general, he's a recruiter. 

1223
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:25,880
Robert the Bruce and John the 
third common. 

1224
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:27,600
We had John the second common in
the black. 

1225
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:29,680
Now we have John the third 
Common in the red. 

1226
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:32,400
We're now the joint guardians. 
But they just couldn't get 

1227
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:35,520
along. 
Finally another letter from the 

1228
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:39,280
Pope came and Edward backed off 
a little bit and then Robert 

1229
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:40,720
resigned his guardian of 
Scotland. 

1230
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:43,000
And then John the Red resigned 
his guardian of Scotland. 

1231
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:44,680
So things are really changing 
quickly here. 

1232
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:49,920
Edward again invades a few years
later and brings his son, Prince

1233
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:53,240
Edward, the future King Edward 
the Second to get him some 

1234
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:55,120
experience to win him some 
glory. 

1235
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,160
He gives his son the bigger 
army. 

1236
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:00,040
He's like, go do this. 
And it doesn't work. 

1237
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:03,160
He's just not he he's in many 
ways, Edward the second was 

1238
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,520
considered a great Prince, but 
he was a horrible military 

1239
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:07,840
leader and horrible politician. 
So I, I don't exactly know what 

1240
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:09,760
they were talking about now. 
He's just, he was good at like 

1241
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:13,920
non, he's like courtly behavior 
and music and other stuff, but 

1242
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,920
he wasn't good at ruling or 
managing other nobles and stuff 

1243
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:20,320
like that. 
So he's still fighting even 

1244
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:23,240
though Edward does a poor job. 
King Edward does a good job 

1245
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:26,440
continuously. 
And Robert just finally says, I 

1246
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,200
got I give up, I give up, I 
surrender. 

1247
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:31,000
He he we don't know why. 
Maybe it was a stratagem. 

1248
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,480
Maybe he was tired of seeing his
people die. 

1249
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:37,480
His father, remember the old guy
that's giving Robert the Bruce 

1250
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:40,840
advice and telling him what to 
do that that was fairly 

1251
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:42,640
accurate. 
The things he was telling him to

1252
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:47,120
do weren't accurate, but Robert 
De Bruce was still alive, he was

1253
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,280
just infirm. 
So Robert the Bruce was out 

1254
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:51,760
there doing stuff while his 
father is still lying in bed. 

1255
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:55,760
But in the movie he's like we, 
we got to bend the knee and then

1256
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:57,960
we can come back, which is 
pretty much what happens. 

1257
01:03:57,960 --> 01:03:59,760
So that that at least is semi 
accurate. 

1258
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:02,520
Now Edward wanted to make 
examples out of some of the 

1259
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:05,440
leadership and that was William 
Wallace. 

1260
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,760
William Wallace is the guy that 
was made an example of at one 

1261
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:11,200
point he ordered the Scottish 
nobles. 

1262
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,960
He's like look, you guys hand 
over William Wallace or none of 

1263
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,040
you get your lands back. 
Like I'm going to take all your 

1264
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:18,280
lands away. 
So this this included the 5th 

1265
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:20,920
high steward, James and John 
Coleman the Red. 

1266
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:25,960
It's not super clear whether 
they participated or how much 

1267
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,320
they participated or just acted 
like they were helping flush 

1268
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:31,720
Wallace out. 
Wallace was a controversial 

1269
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:34,640
figure even amongst Scott's, 
especially the nobility. 

1270
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:39,360
He was captured in 1305 and 
executed actually more brutally 

1271
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:41,680
than they showed in the movie. 
I was like, wow, he was. 

1272
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:46,240
It was worse. 
Now, just prior to William's 

1273
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:50,760
execution, Robert the Bruce 
secretly engaged Bishop William 

1274
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:54,680
Lamberton and they had a pact. 
They're like, all right, we're 

1275
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:57,800
going to free Scotland one day 
and we're going to bide our time

1276
01:04:57,800 --> 01:04:59,280
until Edward dies. 
He's old. 

1277
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:00,760
We're not going to go up against
that guy again. 

1278
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,760
He's too formidable. 
So we'll just divide our time, 

1279
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:06,240
work together behind the scenes,
and when he died, we'll rise up.

1280
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:10,240
Now, this isn't exactly how it 
went, but that was the idea. 

1281
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:13,680
Now, John the Red finds out 
about this and he says, hey, you

1282
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:15,800
guys making a deal without me? 
I want in. 

1283
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:19,320
And so Robert's like, OK, OK, 
I'll make a deal with you, too. 

1284
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:21,520
Let's support each other's 
claims. 

1285
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:23,200
One of us is going to become 
king. 

1286
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:25,400
The other one gets the other's 
lands. 

1287
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,880
Now there's some evidence that 
John took this deal and maybe 

1288
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:34,600
decided to go tell King Edward 
about it to get his side to work

1289
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:37,000
out and to kind of cut Robert 
back out of the deal. 

1290
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:43,520
Robert found out about it and 
didn't let John know he found 

1291
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:47,200
out about it. 
He arranged to meet John at a 

1292
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,240
church because they needed 
neutral ground. 

1293
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:50,840
The two of these guys didn't 
really like each other that 

1294
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:52,040
much, even though they had this 
deal. 

1295
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:55,560
They had fought before. 
There was a lot of bad blood and

1296
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:57,680
mutual ambition. 
You know, they'll maybe too much

1297
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:00,000
alike in some ways. 
That church is neutral ground. 

1298
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:01,280
They'll be safe. 
Yeah, yeah, right. 

1299
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:02,600
What could go wrong? 
They're in a church. 

1300
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:04,360
Like no one ever kills someone 
else in a church. 

1301
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:08,680
Robert kills John Common in the 
church stabs. 

1302
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:11,200
Him to dead music, yeah. 
Exactly. 

1303
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:17,360
And this isn't he would have 
been excommunicated really like 

1304
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:18,360
this. 
That's what should have 

1305
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:19,800
happened. 
The Pope like basically ordered 

1306
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:23,800
this, but Bishop Lamberton and 
and Bishop Robert Wishart are 

1307
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:26,280
like, no, we're not going to 
excommunicate Robert. 

1308
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,080
He's our hero. 
He's the guy that's going to be 

1309
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:30,800
our king. 
And that's still their plan. 

1310
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:33,440
So that's what happened. 
Instead of being excommunicated,

1311
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:36,000
he's crowned. 
They make him Robert the first 

1312
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:39,000
of Scotland. 
Yay, Robert, King Robert. 

1313
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:41,440
Now what does England say about 
this? 

1314
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:45,320
They say that's not a king. 
He's Robert the Bruce. 

1315
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:48,200
He's he's he's not a king. 
No, we don't recognize Robert as

1316
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:49,560
king. 
So this is the year. 

1317
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:56,120
What is it 13 O 5 or 6? 
Anyway, so he declares himself 

1318
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:58,520
his first campaign is a 
disaster. 

1319
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:02,560
He gets a lot of men. 
He loses the Battle of Methven 

1320
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:07,800
and his family is captured like 
his his sisters, his daughters, 

1321
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:10,000
everybody. 
His brothers were caught and 

1322
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,840
those three were hanged, drawn 
and quartered. 

1323
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:15,040
Bad news. 
Awful. 

1324
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:18,360
They got the William Wallace 
treatment and his his other 

1325
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:21,360
family are treated in a variety 
of embarrassing ways. 

1326
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:26,320
One of them was put in a cage 
outside a castle and left there 

1327
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:28,520
every day for four years. 
That's his. 

1328
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:31,600
This is sister Marjorie. 
Marjorie is going to be 

1329
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:34,200
important later. 
So this here's we get the spider

1330
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:36,200
story, though this is a little 
bit like Ned Stark. 

1331
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:38,960
Remember when Ned Stark was in 
prison and virus comes to talk 

1332
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:42,880
to him and and he won't bend 
until Santa is brought up? 

1333
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:45,920
Well, there's no spider in that 
one except virus himself. 

1334
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:48,080
Here there's an actual, we're 
we're told there's an actual 

1335
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:52,200
spider and it's an, it's 
probably a legend, but Robert 

1336
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,440
saw this. 
He's hiding in the, in the 

1337
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:56,800
Scottish forests. 
He's he's penniless and, and 

1338
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:59,320
decrepit at this point and 
doesn't know if he's going to 

1339
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:02,160
got any future left. 
He sees this spider making a 

1340
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:04,080
web. 
The spider's web gets broken by 

1341
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:06,560
the wind or the rain and the 
spider just starts over again. 

1342
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:08,160
He just perseveres. 
He keeps going. 

1343
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:10,680
He just keeps on going. 
Like Var said, keep on paddling 

1344
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:13,480
right? 
Robert is apparently inspired by

1345
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:14,840
this. 
He's like that spider didn't 

1346
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:17,319
give up, neither am I. 
I'm going for it. 

1347
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:21,439
A year later he reemerges from 
hiding and again the Scots 

1348
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:24,760
flocked to his banners. 
This time it does goes really 

1349
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:29,439
well because Edward is sick. 
They know he's going to die. 

1350
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:31,200
It's unlikely he's going to 
recover. 

1351
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:35,160
And then as Robert gains 
momentum, winning some battles, 

1352
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:39,200
Edward does finally die. 
And more men join Robert like, 

1353
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:41,720
oh, it's going even better. 
Let's join up now. 

1354
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:45,080
Edward died and it was placed in
his tomb. 

1355
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:49,800
And his tomb to this day 
contains a vow to revenge 

1356
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:53,120
himself on Robert the Bruce. 
And this is where the the 

1357
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:54,840
nickname Hammer of the Scots 
comes from. 

1358
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:58,680
Around this time was the 
incident of the Douglas Larder. 

1359
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:03,040
OK, this was maybe 13 or O 7 or 
maybe 13 O eight. 

1360
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:06,520
It was on Palm Sunday. 
So again, using the religious 

1361
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:11,840
holidays or the church or this 
moment to attack when it's least

1362
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:14,640
expected. 
So the black Douglas is now 

1363
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:16,240
becoming prominent. 
Remember, this is the son of 

1364
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:19,439
William the Bold, the oldest son
of William the Bold, also known 

1365
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:22,359
the Black Douglas, also known of
course, as Good Sir James, as 

1366
01:09:22,359 --> 01:09:26,319
Sean pointed out, right? 
So when everyone's at church, he

1367
01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:30,319
bursts in with his men and 
they're, they shout a Douglas, a

1368
01:09:30,319 --> 01:09:32,479
Douglas, which is, you know, 
like a Griffin. 

1369
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:34,080
A Griffin like the Conningtons, 
right? 

1370
01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:37,120
They killed the English soldiers
of the Garrison, cut off their 

1371
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:39,520
heads, threw them all in a pile 
and burned the pile. 

1372
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:43,960
And then they put salt in the 
wells and dead horse parts in 

1373
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:47,960
the wells to ruin the wells. 
So why was this called the 

1374
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:50,560
Douglas Larder? 
Was it because the Douglass did 

1375
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:52,359
it? 
Well, yes, partly, but it was 

1376
01:09:52,359 --> 01:09:54,880
against his own castle. 
The English held his castle and 

1377
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:57,840
he did this to his own castle. 
He's like, no, if I can't use 

1378
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:00,640
it, neither can you. 
That's the kind of an enemy 

1379
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:02,920
you're dealing with here. 
This is what Edward has to deal 

1380
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:04,600
with. 
And this is the man that is good

1381
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:06,280
Sir James, AKA the Black 
Douglas. 

1382
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:08,360
He is not willing to give an 
inch. 

1383
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:11,160
And this becomes very 
characteristic of Scottish 

1384
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:13,800
warfare against the English. 
It kind of already was, but it, 

1385
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:16,960
it, it goes up a notch or 
several notches in that their 

1386
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:19,080
goal is to deny the English 
anything. 

1387
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:22,200
If you, if they can't take a 
castle, they're going to burn 

1388
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:23,520
that castle. 
If you're, if they're going to, 

1389
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:25,720
if you're going to come into our
territory, we're going to burn 

1390
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:27,800
the land. 
So you can't have any farmland. 

1391
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,160
If we're going to leave these 
wells behind, we're going to 

1392
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:32,040
poison them so your men can't 
drink out of them. 

1393
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:36,240
If we can't have it, no one can.
Yes, that's the idea. 

1394
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:40,040
That was, I think that was 
Edinburgh Castle if I remember. 

1395
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:41,640
Correctly. 
Apparently it's we're supposed 

1396
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:44,120
to pronounce it Edinburgh. 
Edinburgh. 

1397
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:47,240
It has a very story history. 
It's one of the most assaulted 

1398
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:51,160
locations on Earth over the 
centuries and one of the most 

1399
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:53,840
continuously occupied locations 
in Europe. 

1400
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:55,720
So. 
Now the following year in 13 O 

1401
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:58,680
9, our good friend James 
Stewart, the 5th High Steward of

1402
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:00,360
Scotland, who's still around 
after all this. 

1403
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:04,800
Well, he finally isn't. 
He passes and his son Walter 

1404
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,560
became the 6th High Steward of 
Scotland because it's a 

1405
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:09,040
hereditary title like the 
Tyrells. 

1406
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:11,920
This is a problem though, 
because this Walter was 13, the 

1407
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:15,720
High Steward of Scotland during 
a time of war, is 13 years old. 

1408
01:11:16,440 --> 01:11:18,680
He didn't actually carry out his
duties. 

1409
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:21,920
He's had the title and other 
people kind of did it for him so

1410
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,160
that they did have a solution 
for these kind of issues. 

1411
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:27,560
Now Fast forward four more 
years. 

1412
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:32,240
Robert the Bruce declares that 
any Scottish Lord who still 

1413
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:35,400
supports John Baliol or anyone 
else 'cause even even though 

1414
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:37,480
Baliol was out of the picture, 
there are people still loyal to 

1415
01:11:37,480 --> 01:11:40,160
him or holding out for his 
family or whatever. 

1416
01:11:40,440 --> 01:11:44,520
He says if you don't support me,
your lands are forfeit. 

1417
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:48,760
So that really got a few people 
off the couch to join him and a 

1418
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:55,120
few others to go deeper into 
Edward's side, shall we say, 

1419
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:57,160
Because again, we're we're in 
Edward the second now, it's 

1420
01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:59,440
still Edward. 
Now remember we had Edward the 

1421
01:11:59,440 --> 01:12:01,960
4th as the Robert Baratheon 
parallel and we have Edward the 

1422
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:03,960
first here. 
We're going to get all the way 

1423
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:05,720
back to that. 
Not not that Edward the 4th will

1424
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:07,800
be in here, but we're going to 
have Edward the 2nd and Edward 

1425
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:09,680
the 3rd. 
So all the Edwards are covered 

1426
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:12,600
here. 
In 1314, the famous Battle of 

1427
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:16,400
Bannockburn was won by Robert. 
In this battle, John Common the 

1428
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:18,200
4th. 
We already had John the second 

1429
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:20,160
the black, John the third the 
red. 

1430
01:12:20,480 --> 01:12:25,200
Robert had stripped his lands 
back when a while back because 

1431
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:29,280
they're still enemies and John 
Common fought was for the 

1432
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,560
English in hopes of getting his 
land back but he was killed in a

1433
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:37,120
cavalry charge and they cease to
be a player in in this game. 

1434
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:41,920
Robert himself fought very hard.
At one point he was charged by a

1435
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,840
certain Sir Henry de Bohun, Earl
of Hereford. 

1436
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:49,360
It's a real strong bellwass 
moment. 

1437
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:53,560
Robert only had an axe and Henry
had a Lance. 

1438
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:56,000
The guy comes right at him with 
a Lance and Robert stands his 

1439
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:57,120
gag. 
He was actually on a small 

1440
01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:01,160
horse, but he still stood his 
ground on that horse. 

1441
01:13:01,480 --> 01:13:05,840
So with the Lance coming right 
at him like Osnac Zopal coming 

1442
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:07,880
right at him, he does the strong
bellwass movement. 

1443
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:12,800
He just dodges the point of the 
Lance and then axes Hugh in the 

1444
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:16,240
in the face or sorry, Henry, not
Hugh in the face. 

1445
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:19,560
He was very nonchalant about it.
He just cuts this guy's head. 

1446
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:23,000
He chops this guy's face with 
his with his axe and he's like, 

1447
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:26,320
I broke my favorite axe. 
Dang it. 

1448
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:29,960
Some of this, this guy's real 
quite a tough one. 

1449
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:35,320
Now they so they beat Edward the
Second's army. 

1450
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:40,040
He has to retreat. 
And there's this guy named Gia 

1451
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:42,200
de Argentin. 
He's another Frenchman whose 

1452
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:45,600
name I have butchered, probably.
He was considered the third best

1453
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:49,520
knight in all the realm, in all 
the realms, in all of Europe. 

1454
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:51,280
He was a Norman fighting for 
Edward. 

1455
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:53,880
His job was to make sure the 
king was safe. 

1456
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:56,400
So the king is retreating. 
He helps the king retreat, and 

1457
01:13:56,400 --> 01:14:00,600
he says, you know what, king, 
your retreat appears to be safe.

1458
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:02,960
I don't retreat, so I'm going 
back. 

1459
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:07,200
So he goes back and dies. 
The point of this is to because 

1460
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:10,200
it's a crazy story, but also 
well, who are the other two 

1461
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:12,360
greatest Knights? 
Well, you said third greatest. 

1462
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:15,200
Well, who are the top 2? 
Henry the Holy Roman Emperor, 

1463
01:14:15,480 --> 01:14:18,880
not a part of the story other 
than this moment and Robert the 

1464
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:21,480
Bruce. 
Robert the Bruce was that famous

1465
01:14:21,480 --> 01:14:26,320
that well regarded even before 
his strong bell wasp moment. 

1466
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:31,160
Apparently so after all this, 
Robert wins this, this stirring 

1467
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:32,800
victory. 
And it gives him negotiating 

1468
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:35,360
power because he captures a lot 
of nobles and he's able to get 

1469
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:38,000
his family out. 
Plus Bishop Wishart. 

1470
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:41,240
He gets all these people freed 
from prison, including Marjorie,

1471
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:44,680
the one who was had four years 
of solitary confinement. 

1472
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:48,960
And Marjorie is released from 
prison and she's picked up by 

1473
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:52,240
escort by Walter Stewart, this 
man who's now a few years older.

1474
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:55,120
He's no longer a 13 year old. 
He's only about maybe 17 now. 

1475
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:58,360
And they get to talking and then
they get to marry him. 

1476
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:02,760
So Walter Stewart marries 
Marjorie Bruce. 

1477
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:05,920
You can see how they're getting 
into the royal family now, 

1478
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:08,280
right? 
Here's another little parallel. 

1479
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:11,960
Even though the Battle of 
Bannockburn is maybe the most 

1480
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:14,080
famous battle in Scottish 
history, certainly the most 

1481
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:15,720
famous in this period of time, 
they don't know where it is. 

1482
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:16,560
They don't know where it 
happened. 

1483
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:18,640
There's there's monuments. 
They're not exactly in the right

1484
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:20,720
spot because they don't know 
where that was very similar to 

1485
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:23,400
the red grass field of of Black 
Fire Rebellion fame. 

1486
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:26,160
We don't know where that was. 
We have some ideas, we have some

1487
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:27,840
guesses, but we don't actually 
know. 

1488
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:29,720
There was some campaigning in 
Ireland. 

1489
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:33,200
Robert tried to install his 
brother, another gosh darn 

1490
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:35,720
Edward, Edward Bruce, as the 
High King of Ireland. 

1491
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:41,360
But Edward Bruce was a real 
glory hound maybe, or maybe a 

1492
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:43,280
guy who didn't like the 
Stewarts. 

1493
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:47,280
Maybe he would didn't like the 
fact that his sister or his 

1494
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:51,760
niece was married to a Stewart, 
the brother of 5th Stewart 

1495
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:55,480
James. 
So the uncle of this current 

1496
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:59,120
Walter Stewart, Jon Stewart 
brings an army to Ireland to 

1497
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:02,560
help Edward Bruce win against 
the English. 

1498
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:05,880
But Edward's like I don't want 
your help and he starts his 

1499
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:08,960
battle before Jon arrives and 
loses. 

1500
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:10,480
So he really should have waited 
for that help. 

1501
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:14,440
Even though Edward Bruce was 
killed in this battle, it was 

1502
01:16:14,440 --> 01:16:18,200
still effective for the Scottish
because Ireland was just used as

1503
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:20,640
a recruiting ground for soldiers
to send against Scotland. 

1504
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:24,600
And that stopped with this. 
Edward Bruce was also a 

1505
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:28,680
Lieutenant to Robert, his 
brother and with his death the 

1506
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:31,360
new guardian of the realm, the 
new Lieutenant to Robert the 

1507
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:37,240
Bruce is the black Douglas. 
Meanwhile, while this all this 

1508
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:41,520
Irish business is happening, 
Marjorie was thrown from her 

1509
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:44,960
horse but pregnant with Walter 
Stewart's son. 

1510
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:50,200
She either died right after 
falling or during. 

1511
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:53,880
It's not clear either way. 
The better version of the story,

1512
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:56,640
meaning the more interesting, is
that her the fall from the horse

1513
01:16:56,640 --> 01:17:01,720
triggered the premature birth of
her son. 

1514
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:05,400
Of course, they named the son 
Robert after Robert the Bruce, 

1515
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:08,400
and this boy became the 
presumptive heir to Robert the 

1516
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:10,520
Bruce 'cause he didn't have any 
actual sons of his own. 

1517
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:13,800
So he now has a grandson, and 
that's his presumptive heir for 

1518
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:18,200
a few years. 
In late 1318, the Black Douglas 

1519
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:20,200
becomes this young Roberts 
tutor. 

1520
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,200
Yeah. 
And just before that, the Black 

1521
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:27,000
Douglas fought a guy named Sir 
Robert Neville, the Peacock of 

1522
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:29,480
the North, and defeated him in 
single combat. 

1523
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:33,520
His skills, as Sean mentioned 
earlier, how guerrilla warfare 

1524
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:35,880
was becoming a Scottish thing, 
They just kept getting better 

1525
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:37,240
and better at it. 
Eventually by the end of the 

1526
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:39,000
story, they're going to have, 
like, hundreds of years of 

1527
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:40,640
practice at this. 
You got to imagine they were 

1528
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:43,240
really, really good at. 
Yeah, the American 

1529
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:45,920
revolutionaries were good at it,
but they only had to be good at 

1530
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:47,160
it for a few years, and then 
they won. 

1531
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:49,440
And that was it. 
And you got America. 

1532
01:17:49,440 --> 01:17:51,400
And that's it's done. 
Like they don't have to do that 

1533
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:52,560
kind of guerrilla fighting 
anymore. 

1534
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:55,000
These guys did it for 
generations. 

1535
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:56,600
They must have been amazing at 
it. 

1536
01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:58,760
Yeah. 
But it was also really a brutal 

1537
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:02,680
style of war because, yes, this 
this scorched earth policy was 

1538
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:04,920
pretty tough on the locals too, 
right? 

1539
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:07,480
You're like, you're burning. 
Those are our own farms were 

1540
01:18:07,480 --> 01:18:09,040
burning. 
Our own wells were denying. 

1541
01:18:09,440 --> 01:18:12,840
So this is where I compare the 
Black Douglas to the Black fish,

1542
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:15,440
because that is what the Black 
fish wanted to do. 

1543
01:18:15,440 --> 01:18:19,440
He wanted to burn all the land 
around River Run so that the 

1544
01:18:19,440 --> 01:18:22,280
Lannisters wouldn't have a lot 
of food to besiege them. 

1545
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:24,200
And that it. 
Well, he didn't just want to. 

1546
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:28,320
He did do that. 
There's a lot as you can see the

1547
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:30,480
combination of skills that the 
Blackfish has. 

1548
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:34,440
Blackfish was amazing at 
scouting and raiding and sneak 

1549
01:18:34,440 --> 01:18:37,680
attacks. 
Same thing with this guy, right?

1550
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:39,120
Hit a career, made a career out 
of it. 

1551
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:46,480
Brendan and James very much cut 
from the same cloth here. 

1552
01:18:46,480 --> 01:18:54,280
Same black cloth that is now in 
1324, Robert had a son, his own 

1553
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:57,160
son, a David. 
So that makes this Robert 

1554
01:18:57,160 --> 01:18:59,960
Stewart now second in line to 
the throne. 

1555
01:18:59,960 --> 01:19:01,680
So he's pushed down a spot, 
right? 

1556
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:05,880
In the 1320s, in general, King 
Edward the Second, again, not 

1557
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:08,960
nearly as effective as his 
father gave power to the 

1558
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:11,560
dispenser family and he 
dispensed power to the 

1559
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:12,600
dispensers. 
That's right. 

1560
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:14,800
They were marcher Lords. 
You know, marcher Lords, a 

1561
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:16,600
familiar term. 
And in Westeros, the marches 

1562
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:18,720
are, well, it depends. 
There's a couple different 

1563
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:21,040
marches, the marches, the 
Dornish marches in in the 

1564
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:23,400
Stormlands. 
There's Dornish marches also in 

1565
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:26,560
the Reach. 
Basically just the borders, the 

1566
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:29,440
marchers in England are the 
borders of Wales. 

1567
01:19:29,440 --> 01:19:33,080
So Wales was also for a very 
long time, you know, a separate 

1568
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:35,160
country that was ruled as a 
vassal ship. 

1569
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:37,440
But eventually, you know, Edward
Longshanks conquered them and 

1570
01:19:37,440 --> 01:19:40,160
they became fully part of, of 
England at that point. 

1571
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:42,320
So the dispensers were really 
bad. 

1572
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:44,240
They were awful. 
They were rapacious. 

1573
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:47,680
They stole lots of land. 
They their, one of their tactics

1574
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:53,680
was to take land from widows who
were unable to fight the claims 

1575
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:56,400
or they didn't have enough help 
to stop this from happening. 

1576
01:19:56,840 --> 01:20:00,240
This is the kind of thing that 
the, the widow's law introduced 

1577
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:04,680
by Alison was, was designed to 
combat against this sort of 

1578
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:09,440
thing. 
In 1326, the old alliance was 

1579
01:20:09,440 --> 01:20:13,920
renewed. 
In 1327, Edward the Second was 

1580
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:17,320
deposed and killed by his own 
wife and her lover Rodger 

1581
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:19,520
Mortimer. 
Such a thing would never have 

1582
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:21,880
happened to the Long Shanks. 
Even though in the movie they 

1583
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:24,400
portrayed the same woman is 
sleeping with William Wallace 

1584
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:28,760
the same Isabella didn't happen.
She was like 12 in that moment 

1585
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:30,920
in real real life. 
So no, she was not sleeping with

1586
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:35,840
William Wallace. 
So Edward the second dies, 

1587
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:38,880
Edward the third becomes king. 
Thankfully, it's just another 

1588
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:41,440
Edward. 
Actually, is that good or is 

1589
01:20:41,440 --> 01:20:42,160
that bad? 
I don't know. 

1590
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:45,880
This Edward would rule for 50 
years, so he's going to be in 

1591
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:47,600
the picture for a while. 
And of course, he's going to 

1592
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:50,520
make war on Scotland again. 
In fact, Isabella and Rodger 

1593
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:53,320
thought, hey, what better way to
legitimize our rule than by 

1594
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:55,840
attacking Scotland? 
Everybody, all the English will 

1595
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:57,800
love us if we win victories over
the Scots. 

1596
01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:00,720
Yeah. 
Anyway, now Edward the Third, we

1597
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:03,400
don't need to talk about him 
very much, but I do want to draw

1598
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:07,320
a connection to our Wars of the 
Roses episode because Edward the

1599
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:10,920
Third children include Edward 
the Black Prince and John of 

1600
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:13,200
Gaunt. 
John of Gaunt is the guy that 

1601
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:18,080
both York and Lancaster houses 
come from, so that's pretty big 

1602
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:19,680
little connection to our 
previous episode. 

1603
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:22,520
Now, Walter Stewart died even 
though he was young. 

1604
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:27,120
So his son with Marjorie Bruce, 
that young Robert Stewart 

1605
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:30,520
becomes the 7th high steward, 
even younger than his father 

1606
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:32,360
was, who became High Stewart at 
13. 

1607
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:35,320
He's 11. 
And of course, he also has Sir 

1608
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:38,840
James Stewart as his guardian. 
The black James or the the black

1609
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:40,880
James, the black Douglas, Yeah, 
Black James. 

1610
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:44,360
That works. 
So Edward Third is he is a 

1611
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:46,560
formidable king eventually, but 
at this point, he's a teenager. 

1612
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:51,200
He's inexperienced and he's 
nominally in charge of his army 

1613
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:52,720
when they invade Scotland, but 
not really. 

1614
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:54,760
They just, they say he's in 
charge, but really it's his 

1615
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:58,000
advisors. 
The Black Douglas just 

1616
01:21:58,000 --> 01:21:59,760
completely run circles around 
them. 

1617
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:03,560
Edwards invading army is there. 
They they go here, they go 

1618
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:06,120
there. 
The Black Douglas ambushes them,

1619
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:09,840
leads them away from where they 
can get supplies, burns the 

1620
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:13,520
supplies, burns the countryside.
They're all they're all at wit's

1621
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:17,320
end. 
Eventually he leads a night 

1622
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:19,920
assault against them when he 
seems to have a strong position.

1623
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:22,280
They're not expecting it. 
They're like, well, if you're 

1624
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:24,200
sitting up there, we're going to
hold out. 

1625
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:26,400
We can't attack you, but you're 
going to run out of food. 

1626
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:30,760
He says, OK, yes, I am running 
out of food, but I can attack 

1627
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:32,400
you at night because I'm the 
black Douglas. 

1628
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:36,160
So they attack and they almost 
actually capture Edward the 

1629
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:38,520
Third. 
They get as far as his tent and 

1630
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:42,280
cut some of the poles out. 
His own pastor, his personal 

1631
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:44,840
pastor, the King's pastor dies 
trying to defend him. 

1632
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:48,360
So good pastor, I guess if your 
pastor's going to take one for 

1633
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:52,280
you, I guess they had chose well
with that guy, but he's dead 

1634
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:54,440
now. 
Well, all these guys are dead 

1635
01:22:54,440 --> 01:22:59,320
now, but he was dead then. 
This is followed by Robert 

1636
01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:02,080
counter invading. 
Robert the Bruce leads an 

1637
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:04,720
invasion into England. 
It's very successful because of 

1638
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:06,640
the embarrassing loss they just 
suffered. 

1639
01:23:07,480 --> 01:23:15,560
And finally, in the year 1328 or
1327, the English throne finally

1640
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:19,840
recognizes that Robert the Bruce
is King of Scotland. 

1641
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:22,320
And like fine, you win, you 
proved it. 

1642
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:25,920
All right, it took 20 some 
years, but OK now. 

1643
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:30,160
This included marrying that new 
son David to Edward, the third 

1644
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:33,480
sister Joan AKA Joan of the 
Tower. 

1645
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:38,240
This is the daughter of Isabella
who was the she Wolf of France. 

1646
01:23:38,240 --> 01:23:41,640
Now I said married and I meant 
married not betrothed. 

1647
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:47,400
Even though David was four and 
and Joan was seven. 

1648
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:49,520
Yes. 
Married and not betrothed, yes. 

1649
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:55,440
So peace at last 1328. 
It only lasted 4 years, but 

1650
01:23:55,440 --> 01:23:58,840
before that we get our 
Braveheart and Bitter Steel 

1651
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:02,400
example. 
Robert died in 1329, so you 

1652
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:04,800
might have thought peace would 
last even less time because 

1653
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:05,720
they're powerful. 
King dies. 

1654
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:10,280
He was only 55. 
We don't know why he died, it's 

1655
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:14,320
not clear. 
Anyway, his dying wish was very 

1656
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:18,000
bitter steelish. 
He wanted his heart to go to the

1657
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:20,640
Holy Land, either to be buried 
there or to be carried. 

1658
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:26,760
While people holding his body, 
his heart, were fighting against

1659
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:31,480
God's foes, one or the other. 
So who decides to do this for 

1660
01:24:31,480 --> 01:24:32,960
him? 
None other than the black 

1661
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:35,880
Douglas. 
He takes Roberts heart, removes 

1662
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:37,720
it from the corpse. 
Well, not personally. 

1663
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:41,440
That was done by other people. 
He puts it in a silver casket. 

1664
01:24:41,440 --> 01:24:43,400
A small silver casket around his
neck. 

1665
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:45,440
Hey, I'm wearing Gray and 
silver, sort of. 

1666
01:24:45,440 --> 01:24:48,000
And here's the heart. 
Yeah, I have Robert the Bruces 

1667
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:49,240
heart right here. 
No, it's a Stannis. 

1668
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:51,680
That silver cascade was 
originally intended for finger 

1669
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:53,320
bones. 
Nice. 

1670
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:57,240
That's right. 
So he could he took Roberts 

1671
01:24:57,240 --> 01:25:01,200
heart with him on crusade, just 
like Bitter Steel's skull was 

1672
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:03,360
carried in front by the Golden 
Company when they returned to 

1673
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:05,680
Westeros. 
What's extra wild here is that 

1674
01:25:05,680 --> 01:25:08,760
even though the Black Douglas 
was the most bitter foe of 

1675
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:11,080
Edward the Third, of course they
were cousins. 

1676
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:12,760
Because all these folks are 
related, right? 

1677
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:16,040
Edward the Third wrote the black
Douglas a letter of 

1678
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:18,040
recommendation. 
He's like, yeah, take this guy 

1679
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:20,080
on crusade. 
On the surface, that's a little 

1680
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:21,640
weird because they were bitter 
enemies. 

1681
01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:24,000
On the on the other hand, it's 
like, well, you're going to go 

1682
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:26,040
to a crusade down. 
There, you're not coming after 

1683
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:27,320
me. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1684
01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:29,800
Yeah, Go to the Holy Land, by 
all means, go. 

1685
01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:32,080
But way the hell over there, 
it's so far away. 

1686
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:34,040
So the black Douglas goes on 
crusade. 

1687
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:36,920
He wants to go on crusade with 
the English or the French or the

1688
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:39,680
Scots, but they couldn't get 
their act together. 

1689
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:44,680
So he goes to Castile and goes 
on crusade with King Alfonso the

1690
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:50,880
11th AKA Alfonso the Avenger AKA
Alfonso the 11 because he had 

1691
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:54,960
even though he was Alfonso the 
11th he had 11 children only one

1692
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:57,240
of whom was legit. 
Now this is where we give a 

1693
01:25:57,240 --> 01:26:00,840
little shout out to Sevilla. 
Ashea and I were just in Spain. 

1694
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:06,600
We went to buildings that King 
Alfonso the 11th and other 

1695
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:11,400
Alfonso's lived in and and or 
built and, or restored and it 

1696
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:13,440
was great. 
So we're going to have lots of 

1697
01:26:13,440 --> 01:26:16,560
pictures in a future episode and
maybe we'll talk a little more 

1698
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:19,760
about Alfonso the 11th and 
Alfonso the 13th, Ashea's 

1699
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:23,320
favorite, the porn king. 
That's right, Alfonso the 13th. 

1700
01:26:24,440 --> 01:26:30,320
Guy, I support his proclivities.
Unfortunately for the Black 

1701
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:33,520
Douglas, it didn't go so well 
with King Alfonso. 

1702
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:36,240
He and his men at one point were
cut off from their allies and he

1703
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:41,080
bravely stood his ground and 
they were overrun by by the 

1704
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:44,320
Muslims. 
I suppose the body was recovered

1705
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:46,360
and went back to England along 
with Robert Hart. 

1706
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:50,080
Robert Hart was recovered and to
this day Robert Hart rests in 

1707
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:52,040
Melrose Abbey. 
Probably there. 

1708
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:54,640
Maybe there's some doubt, but 
not not much. 

1709
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:59,760
Now all Scottish monarchs period
since Robert De Bruce are 

1710
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:03,640
related to Robert De Bruce. 
All British monarchs in 16 O3 

1711
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:05,840
are also related to Robert De 
Bruce. 

1712
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:09,240
Nina reminds us that Kit 
Harrington is in that club. 

1713
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:12,880
Kit Harrington was descended 
from Charles the second son, the

1714
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:15,640
Duke of Lennox. 
And Rose Leslie is also 

1715
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:18,960
descended from Charles the 2nd 
through a different branch of 

1716
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:22,160
Scottish aristocracy. 
So yeah, Kit and Rose incest. 

1717
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:24,040
Oh my gosh. 
No, no, it's extremely far 

1718
01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:26,040
apart. 
They're not even like trackable 

1719
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:28,200
cousins, just like 20th cousins 
or something like that. 

1720
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:33,560
Anyway, O'Shea and I's trip to 
Spain was amazing, But of 

1721
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:38,560
course, when you travel and fly 
long distances and Dr. long 

1722
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:41,800
distances, you can get a little 
out of sorts with your sleep 

1723
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:46,280
schedule and your jet lag can be
a factor. 

1724
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:49,760
You can kind of easily get sick 
when you're overseas. 

1725
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:51,760
Both of Shay and I have been 
sleeping a little funny when we 

1726
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:55,400
came back. 
And by funny I mean extra longer

1727
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:57,800
periods of time recovering from 
all that. 

1728
01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:02,720
One of the tools that I find 
very useful for recovering from 

1729
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:07,760
fatigue and any sort of 
situation where whether I'm sick

1730
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:13,360
or just tired are good friends. 
Magic mind, we've seen anecdotal

1731
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:17,040
evidence from comments, lots of 
them, that people have used 

1732
01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:21,400
magic mind to recover from long 
COVID or or short COVID too, I 

1733
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:23,240
suppose. 
I haven't had long COVID, at 

1734
01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:26,920
least not that I know of, but I 
have noticed that Magic Mind is 

1735
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:27,880
is great for that. 
Now. 

1736
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:29,760
I didn't drink Magic Mind when 
we were in Spain. 

1737
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:31,840
I took a break because I didn't 
want to carry it around with me.

1738
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:34,160
Like carrying all these bottles 
around, even though they're tiny

1739
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:36,600
while traveling. 
Yeah, that's a bit much. 

1740
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:38,280
So I'm very happy to be back to 
it. 

1741
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:39,520
And I could immediately tell the
difference. 

1742
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:41,720
There's a little bit of a boost 
for me as I'm trying to get back

1743
01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:45,360
to normal, so let's have a shot 
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1744
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:49,440
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1745
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:52,960
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1746
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1747
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1748
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Let's do it. 

1749
01:29:05,480 --> 01:29:08,040
Good stuff. 
Also, we're back in the swing of

1750
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:12,240
things on Twitch. 
We're playing House Corbray 

1751
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:14,320
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1752
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:17,960
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1753
01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:21,120
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1754
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:27,160
How 20? 
Big shout out to Minotaur on our

1755
01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:29,880
Discord. 
One of our listeners, Scottish 

1756
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:33,240
Gentleman, and I say gentleman 
because his help was so valuable

1757
01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:36,240
to this episode. 
He's from the town of Hoyk, 

1758
01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:39,520
which is spelled Haywick, which 
is a house in the Song of Ice 

1759
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:41,560
and Fire. 
He wants me to mention as well, 

1760
01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:45,800
Lem Len Lawnmuth, who of course,
that's a a name from our discord

1761
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:49,440
as well and a reference to a, a 
character in A Song of Ice and 

1762
01:29:49,440 --> 01:29:51,880
Fire. 
He's the one who pointed out to 

1763
01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:54,240
Minotaur that house Haywick 
exists in A Song of Ice and 

1764
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:55,360
Fire. 
Now it's Hoyk. 

1765
01:29:55,960 --> 01:29:59,120
You say it like really fast. 
That's how you say Hick in 

1766
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:00,960
Scottish. 
I don't suppose the Song of Ice 

1767
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:04,680
and Fire version is pronounced 
that way and House Haywick? 

1768
01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:09,200
The song of Ice and fire version
are married into House Frey from

1769
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:14,200
from Haywick's from Saltpans. 
So good job that. 

1770
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:17,400
That's very helpful. 
Minotaur gave me a ton of 

1771
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:21,760
references and little Nuggets to
look into for this episode. 

1772
01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:26,760
A large portion of these were at
least encouraged by him or 

1773
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:29,120
suggested. 
I might not have found some of 

1774
01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:31,000
them without him. 
Some of them definitely wouldn't

1775
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:32,560
have. 
Here's one more anecdote from 

1776
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:34,680
him. 
Scottish nicknames are great. 

1777
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:36,520
As I said, he pulled this one 
for me. 

1778
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:39,280
People from a place called 
Galashiels probably said that 

1779
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:43,200
wrong are known as pale mercs. 
What's a pale Merc? 

1780
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:48,800
Well, it's, it's a saying that 
references the fact that this 

1781
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:51,520
was the last region of Scotland 
to get indoor toilets. 

1782
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:57,000
So they used to sit on buckets 
and that would leave a mark on 

1783
01:30:57,000 --> 01:30:59,560
your butt. 
So that's the pale mark, The 

1784
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:02,520
mark from a bucket on your butt.
It's not like pale white. 

1785
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:06,000
It's like a pale, but a bucket 
is moving on. 

1786
01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:09,440
Yeah, it's kind of bucket. 
He said, just thought you might 

1787
01:31:09,440 --> 01:31:11,920
find that amusing. 
You are correct. 

1788
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:15,280
I did find that amusing because 
I do have the sense of humor of 

1789
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:18,040
a nine year old. 
You will see more of that sense 

1790
01:31:18,040 --> 01:31:20,560
of humor later in this episode. 
So the thing I learned about 

1791
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:23,560
medieval, this medieval period, 
I don't know how long this rule 

1792
01:31:23,560 --> 01:31:26,720
existed, is you can't get 
knighted until you're 21. 

1793
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:30,440
We have kings operating at age 
1617 eighteen, but you can be 

1794
01:31:30,440 --> 01:31:33,080
knighted till you're 21. 
This is very much like in the US

1795
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:37,880
where you can't drink till 
you're 21, but you can vote and 

1796
01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:40,640
go to the army when you're 18. 
Like what? 

1797
01:31:41,320 --> 01:31:43,400
We can give you this 
responsibility that you die or 

1798
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:45,960
help rule the country, but you 
can't have a drink until you're 

1799
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:49,600
21. 
Anyway, I rented a lot of other 

1800
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:52,000
funny names. 
Not funny names, but similar 

1801
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:55,000
names that I recognize from A 
Song of Ice and Fire while doing

1802
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:57,040
this. 
It's probably a ton more that I 

1803
01:31:57,040 --> 01:32:00,120
missed, but what a couple that I
wanted to mention was Harlow. 

1804
01:32:00,200 --> 01:32:02,200
There's a Battle of Harlow that 
we'll mention later. 

1805
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:04,960
There's a place called Harlow in
northern Scotland and there's a 

1806
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:08,160
castle called Hermitage that has
a dark reputation that of course

1807
01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:10,800
reminds me of High Hermitage 
where Dark Star lives. 

1808
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:13,880
So dark reputation, Dark Star, 
High Hermitage, etcetera. 

1809
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:17,080
That's of course the cadet 
branch of House Dame back to it 

1810
01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:20,080
with an A portion called the 
Scottish Golden Company. 

1811
01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:22,520
This is the second Scottish War 
of Independence. 

1812
01:32:22,520 --> 01:32:26,800
The first one was one when 
Robert defeated Edward the 

1813
01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:29,800
second finally or defeated 
Edward the third, I guess 

1814
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:32,000
because Edward the Second was 
dead right before that. 

1815
01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:35,360
Either way, he defeated England,
but things came back around. 

1816
01:32:36,440 --> 01:32:40,320
So even though Isabella and 
Rodger Mortimer, who overthrew 

1817
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:44,480
Edward the Second rebelled, one 
of the reasons they rebelled was

1818
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:47,200
against Edward the 2nd and 
overthrew him was because they 

1819
01:32:47,200 --> 01:32:50,120
weren't sure that her son, 
Edward the Third would be 

1820
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:53,240
allowed to rule. 
But then ironically, after 

1821
01:32:53,240 --> 01:32:55,360
making sure he could rule, they 
held on to power for themselves.

1822
01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:58,200
So they didn't actually let him 
rule, they ruled on their own. 

1823
01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:02,120
But Edward the Third, again, 
competent, much more like his 

1824
01:33:02,120 --> 01:33:06,000
grandfather than his father. 
He pushed his mother out and had

1825
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:09,200
Rodger executed. 
So she was able to keep her 

1826
01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:12,120
wealth and her status, but she 
was out of politics. 

1827
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:15,800
So that was that. 
Now, this is amazing. 

1828
01:33:16,720 --> 01:33:20,040
Remember when Tyrion is sneaking
through the walls and he hears 

1829
01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:23,080
them talking about him and 
they're like, you know, I think 

1830
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:24,880
Tyrion's going to die like a 
coward and they're guys. 

1831
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:26,280
No, he's going to die like a 
Lannister. 

1832
01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:28,480
And he's like, I like that guy. 
The one who thought I said I was

1833
01:33:28,480 --> 01:33:31,400
going to. 
Who's going to die like a man? 

1834
01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:32,960
Well, of course, Tyrion didn't 
die at all. 

1835
01:33:33,440 --> 01:33:38,280
But anyway, so Lancastrian 
supporters actually helped here.

1836
01:33:38,280 --> 01:33:42,480
They helped Edward the 3rd and 
and a guy named William Montague

1837
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:47,920
LED about 20 good men through a 
secret tunnel. 

1838
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:53,560
Think Red Keep tunnels. 
We're told that an active 

1839
01:33:53,560 --> 01:33:56,720
council session was going on, 
and the topic of the council 

1840
01:33:56,720 --> 01:34:01,160
session at that moment was what 
to do about William Montague, 

1841
01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:05,600
the very man who was sneaking 
through tunnels into their room 

1842
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:10,120
at that very moment. 
He jumped in and got rid of 

1843
01:34:10,120 --> 01:34:12,880
them. 
And Edward the Third was able to

1844
01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:15,200
assume the throne, as was his 
right. 

1845
01:34:15,880 --> 01:34:21,640
And in 1332, a little while 
after that, Edward allied with a

1846
01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:24,760
group of Scottish exiles called 
the Disinherited. 

1847
01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:27,120
Yes, the Disinherited. 
They were Scottish nobles who 

1848
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:30,160
lost lands during these previous
conflicts. 

1849
01:34:30,160 --> 01:34:33,080
They wanted their lands back, 
very much like the Golden 

1850
01:34:33,080 --> 01:34:35,160
Company exiles, where they're 
like, hey, we're famous 

1851
01:34:35,160 --> 01:34:38,200
families. 
We have names of prominence, but

1852
01:34:38,200 --> 01:34:40,040
we lost our lands. 
We want them back, give our 

1853
01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:42,160
lands back. 
This is very similar to that. 

1854
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:44,440
And yeah, that's what happens 
when you fight on the losing 

1855
01:34:44,440 --> 01:34:45,920
side. 
But in their case, these are 

1856
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:49,520
nobles who get second and third 
chances and all that. 

1857
01:34:50,280 --> 01:34:53,760
But to be the Golden Company, to
complete a Golden Company 

1858
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:58,120
parallel, you need a pretender 
at the head of their ranks, 

1859
01:34:58,120 --> 01:34:59,520
right? 
A king, a pretender to the 

1860
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:02,560
throne. 
Someone like a son of Rhaegar or

1861
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:04,280
someone purporting to be the son
of Rhaegar. 

1862
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:08,520
Exactly what they got here. 
Not a guy named Rhaegar. 

1863
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:10,600
Not a son of Rhaegar. 
His name wasn't Aegon. 

1864
01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:14,480
But remember we said Jon 
Baleyall Empty coat was out of 

1865
01:35:14,480 --> 01:35:16,840
the picture, but his son was 
not. 

1866
01:35:17,480 --> 01:35:20,120
Here comes the son, little 
darling. 

1867
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:26,400
I also told you that the Scots 
weren't done dealing with 

1868
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:28,640
Edwards. 
Now we got Edward the Third 

1869
01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:32,360
here, so that's one Edward. 
Now what do you suppose Jon 

1870
01:35:32,360 --> 01:35:36,600
Baliol's son was called? 
Yes indeed, Edward. 

1871
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:40,560
I had a 20% chance of guessing 
that because there are only 5 

1872
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:42,240
names. 
There are only 5 names. 

1873
01:35:42,240 --> 01:35:45,520
That's right, Edward Balliol had
been betrothed. 

1874
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:48,720
None other than Isabella, 
daughter of Margarita Anjou, the

1875
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:53,000
very Cersei parallel that we 
talked about, who married into 

1876
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:55,280
House Lancaster. 
And of course she had a son, 

1877
01:35:55,280 --> 01:35:58,000
Edward as well, who was killed. 
But this marriage never actually

1878
01:35:58,000 --> 01:35:59,240
happened. 
This was a betrothal. 

1879
01:35:59,240 --> 01:36:03,200
That betrothal was broken 
because Edward ultimately wasn't

1880
01:36:03,200 --> 01:36:06,360
successful. 
But before that, he was involved

1881
01:36:06,360 --> 01:36:09,720
in a plot to depose Robert the 
Bruce that also didn't succeed. 

1882
01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:14,520
When Robert the Bruce's son 
David ascended as David the 

1883
01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:18,640
Second, he was only 6. 
So this is when Edward Balial 

1884
01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:21,080
took his shot. 
He's like, OK, we got a six year

1885
01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:24,480
old on the throne. 
We've got secret support from 

1886
01:36:24,480 --> 01:36:27,240
Edward the Third. 
Not that secret because, hey, we

1887
01:36:27,240 --> 01:36:29,280
know about it now, several 100 
years later. 

1888
01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:32,880
It's like the most obvious 
scooby-doo reveal ever. 

1889
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:36,000
Like, who's under this mask? 
Who's helping support this 

1890
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:39,360
invasion of Scotland? 
An Englishman named Edward. 

1891
01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:42,440
I can't believe it. 
Right. 

1892
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:45,320
And of course, like, a year 
later, he's just openly 

1893
01:36:45,320 --> 01:36:47,320
supporting him anyway. 
There was no need for all the 

1894
01:36:47,320 --> 01:36:49,320
secrecy in the 1st place. 
Yeah. 

1895
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:53,080
And just as obviously, when 
there's a foreign power 

1896
01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:57,120
supporting Scotland, especially 
against England, it's France. 

1897
01:36:58,040 --> 01:37:01,320
So, yeah, so the old alliance, 
but also because it's pragmatic 

1898
01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:04,200
for France, constant enemy of of
England, to have someone to 

1899
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:07,440
attack England from another 
front or to make to draw English

1900
01:37:07,440 --> 01:37:12,640
resources away from them. 
So Edward Baliol landed in Fife,

1901
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:16,640
the same place where Alexander 
the Third rode off that Cliff to

1902
01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:20,960
his death, and the same place 
ruled by that former Duncan the 

1903
01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:24,040
Third who was murdered by his 
own kin on his way to execute 

1904
01:37:24,040 --> 01:37:27,480
the business of the Regency. 
That little baby who inherited 

1905
01:37:27,480 --> 01:37:36,040
Duncan the 4th was an adult now,
and he also brought Robert the 

1906
01:37:36,040 --> 01:37:39,280
Bruce's bastard called Robert 
Bruce. 

1907
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:44,960
Like come on, this guy helps the
Earl of Fife fight Edward 

1908
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:46,880
Baliol. 
You can't complain about that 

1909
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:48,080
too much. 
That's a sixth name. 

1910
01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:51,720
We've got Bruce now. 
That's right. 

1911
01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:55,440
So this battle is called Duplin 
Moore, not Dublin Moore. 

1912
01:37:55,440 --> 01:37:58,000
Duplin Moore. 
And Edward wins. 

1913
01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:01,160
Edward Balial wins this battle 
and Robert Bruce is killed. 

1914
01:38:01,560 --> 01:38:05,320
Balial then claims the throne. 
But it's kind of like, you know,

1915
01:38:05,320 --> 01:38:08,400
Aegon claiming Sun Spear or 
Darren claiming Sun Spear, like 

1916
01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:10,440
the rest of the country doesn't 
really recognize this. 

1917
01:38:10,440 --> 01:38:13,280
They're like, yeah, you took the
throne, but we don't have to 

1918
01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:15,040
follow you. 
It's just a, it's just a seat, 

1919
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:18,160
bro. 
So he loses control of the 

1920
01:38:18,160 --> 01:38:21,320
country within the same year. 
Then with Edward the Third 

1921
01:38:21,320 --> 01:38:24,200
openly helping him, he regains 
it in 1333. 

1922
01:38:24,360 --> 01:38:26,920
Then he loses it in 1334. 
Then he gets it back in 1335, 

1923
01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:29,320
Then he loses it again in 1336. 
I'm not joking. 

1924
01:38:29,320 --> 01:38:31,160
It really went like that. 
Just what the hell? 

1925
01:38:31,680 --> 01:38:33,840
So no, we don't have to go 
through the detail of all that. 

1926
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:35,800
It's just the back and forth is 
the story there. 

1927
01:38:36,480 --> 01:38:41,040
And during all that back and 
forth, Edward the Third pledges 

1928
01:38:41,040 --> 01:38:44,440
the hand of his sister, Joan of 
the Tower to Edward Baliol. 

1929
01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:48,680
But Aziz, didn't you just tell 
us that Joan of the Tower, 

1930
01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:51,720
despite being so young, was 
married to David, Not betrothed,

1931
01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:52,960
you said. 
You said married. 

1932
01:38:53,440 --> 01:38:56,520
Yes. 
Edward fully intended to just 

1933
01:38:57,040 --> 01:39:00,080
undo that marriage. 
I don't exactly know how, but 

1934
01:39:00,160 --> 01:39:02,440
you can guess that lack of 
consummation was part of it. 

1935
01:39:02,440 --> 01:39:05,240
I mean, they were, you know, 8 
years old or whatever, so they 

1936
01:39:05,240 --> 01:39:06,520
definitely hadn't consummated 
it. 

1937
01:39:07,160 --> 01:39:09,400
But this didn't happen. 
It's ironic. 

1938
01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:14,280
Of all the things that were 
options that did happen, undoing

1939
01:39:14,280 --> 01:39:16,840
a marriage was not really one. 
Like that's the thing that like 

1940
01:39:16,840 --> 01:39:19,440
of all the different things that
might have killing a kid or 

1941
01:39:19,440 --> 01:39:22,280
taking a castle, whatever. 
Like when I read that they were 

1942
01:39:22,280 --> 01:39:24,640
going to undo this marriage, 
like, well, that's not going to 

1943
01:39:24,640 --> 01:39:27,200
happen. 
Like be easier to kill him. 

1944
01:39:27,240 --> 01:39:29,000
Right, that's going. 
To happen. 

1945
01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:30,080
You're right, there was it 
didn't. 

1946
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:33,200
So David was actually captured 
at one point during this back 

1947
01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:34,760
and forth too. 
So they captured the King of 

1948
01:39:34,760 --> 01:39:36,720
Scotland. 
You would think that's the end. 

1949
01:39:37,080 --> 01:39:40,560
Nope, it wasn't. 
Again, the killing of nobles and

1950
01:39:40,560 --> 01:39:44,040
Royals was pretty rare. 
We saw that with in Norway. 

1951
01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:47,640
We saw that's in other examples.
And again, this is me setting up

1952
01:39:47,640 --> 01:39:50,400
why the black dinner was 
shocking, because this sort of 

1953
01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:54,920
thing was actually unusual. 
And I repeat it because it's 

1954
01:39:54,920 --> 01:39:56,880
probably hard to get in that 
mindset of actually these 

1955
01:39:56,880 --> 01:39:59,920
medieval, late medieval folks. 
Sure, they were brutal and 

1956
01:39:59,920 --> 01:40:02,600
ruthless, but less so than 
people who came before them. 

1957
01:40:02,600 --> 01:40:04,040
They were a lot less willing to 
kill. 

1958
01:40:04,240 --> 01:40:07,200
This was the burgeoning 
influence of the church, I 

1959
01:40:07,200 --> 01:40:10,120
think, in a lot of ways. 
A church that was never so 

1960
01:40:10,120 --> 01:40:12,040
powerful in Westeros. 
I think that's part of why that 

1961
01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:16,400
never really Westeros never got 
to that point because that this,

1962
01:40:16,440 --> 01:40:18,200
this cult, that culture never 
developed in Westeros. 

1963
01:40:18,200 --> 01:40:20,160
Maybe it will someday, but 
certainly didn't certainly 

1964
01:40:20,160 --> 01:40:25,200
hasn't yet. 
So David's new guardian, while 

1965
01:40:25,200 --> 01:40:29,440
captured, there's none other 
than Sir Archibald Douglas who 

1966
01:40:29,440 --> 01:40:31,960
is half brother to Black 
Douglas. 

1967
01:40:32,320 --> 01:40:36,000
This Archibald Douglas is the 
guy who the Red Douglases will 

1968
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:38,280
descend from. 
So, So keep an eye on him. 

1969
01:40:38,920 --> 01:40:40,840
Even though there's going to be 
a lot of Archibald, it's going 

1970
01:40:40,840 --> 01:40:42,720
to be hard to keep track of all 
the Archibalds. 

1971
01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:45,600
Now Archibald was killed that 
same year, so you don't have to 

1972
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:47,640
keep track of this particular 
Archibald anymore. 

1973
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:54,360
The same city, Berwick, Berwick,
Berwick, Berwick on Tweed where 

1974
01:40:54,360 --> 01:40:56,320
Edward the First massacred 
citizens. 

1975
01:40:56,760 --> 01:40:59,680
The same one where William the 
Bold was captured. 

1976
01:41:00,480 --> 01:41:03,680
The father of both of the Black 
and the Red Douglases, Archibald

1977
01:41:03,680 --> 01:41:08,000
Douglas was killed leading the 
defense of that same place in 

1978
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:13,680
1333. 
So that that the black Douglas 

1979
01:41:13,800 --> 01:41:17,480
died in on crusade. 
And now Archibald Douglas has 

1980
01:41:17,480 --> 01:41:19,040
died. 
They have a middle brother 

1981
01:41:19,040 --> 01:41:22,160
called Hugh now. 
His nickname was Hugh the Doll. 

1982
01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:27,360
The real reason Hugh is called 
the Dull, as I said, was because

1983
01:41:27,360 --> 01:41:31,600
he's a priest. 
But my theory is Hugh was pushed

1984
01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:34,320
out of the lordship, which is 
what happens next, because his 

1985
01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:36,800
name was Hugh. 
If you look at all the list, if 

1986
01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:40,360
you look at the list of the 
Earls and Lords of Douglas, 

1987
01:41:40,840 --> 01:41:43,600
they're all William, James or 
Archibald. 

1988
01:41:43,800 --> 01:41:47,160
There's only three names among 
all, the Lord Douglas of the 

1989
01:41:47,160 --> 01:41:49,640
Black Line and the Earl 
Douglas's and the Lord 

1990
01:41:49,640 --> 01:41:51,720
Douglas's. 
Before that, only three names, 

1991
01:41:51,720 --> 01:41:54,120
except for Hughes, a fourth 
name, and he's the only one that

1992
01:41:54,320 --> 01:41:58,320
didn't get to keep the titles. 
I think that's the real reason. 

1993
01:41:58,320 --> 01:42:00,320
You chose the wrong name, Hugh. 
What were you thinking? 

1994
01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:04,240
That's right. 
So in 1337, Hugh the Doll had 

1995
01:42:04,240 --> 01:42:07,760
given their cousin another 
William Douglas, the Knight of 

1996
01:42:07,760 --> 01:42:11,480
Liddesdale, AKA the Flower of 
Chivalry, which is I'm going to 

1997
01:42:11,480 --> 01:42:12,960
call him from now on because 
there's too many William 

1998
01:42:12,960 --> 01:42:15,840
Douglass. 
He's the command of the family 

1999
01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:17,840
now. 
He doesn't have the title, but 

2000
01:42:17,840 --> 01:42:21,240
he sort of muscles his way into 
it over Hugh the Doll. 

2001
01:42:21,440 --> 01:42:23,920
And Hugh the Doll says, sure, 
I'm a priest, go ahead. 

2002
01:42:23,920 --> 01:42:25,320
I don't want to do military 
commands. 

2003
01:42:25,320 --> 01:42:28,800
Anyway, we're not sure. 
This Flower of Chivalry guy, 

2004
01:42:29,960 --> 01:42:32,200
it's an ironic nickname, to be 
clear. 

2005
01:42:32,840 --> 01:42:35,920
It's like like a skinny guy 
named, you know, Kevin the Fat 

2006
01:42:35,920 --> 01:42:37,800
or something like that. 
And there's going to be there is

2007
01:42:37,800 --> 01:42:41,080
going to be a James the Fat 
later in the story. 

2008
01:42:41,680 --> 01:42:44,600
This guy is also besides the 
flower of chivalry was called 

2009
01:42:44,600 --> 01:42:47,080
flail of the English and wall of
the Scots. 

2010
01:42:47,080 --> 01:42:50,240
Like he's a wall, but we'll call
him the flower of chivalry. 

2011
01:42:50,760 --> 01:42:53,960
He continued the Douglas 
guerrilla tactics, very good at 

2012
01:42:53,960 --> 01:42:56,800
it, as good as the black Douglas
most likely. 

2013
01:42:56,800 --> 01:42:59,680
And it's where he got his 
nickname, the flower of chivalry

2014
01:42:59,680 --> 01:43:02,880
by being a guerrilla war leader.
Very, like I said, very ironic. 

2015
01:43:03,520 --> 01:43:07,320
It was he who commanded half of 
the forces in the 1335 defeat of

2016
01:43:07,320 --> 01:43:09,120
Edward Baliol during all that 
back and forth. 

2017
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:13,720
So he was, he was really, really
good commander, but not a good 

2018
01:43:13,720 --> 01:43:15,520
man. 
He was like an evil Barrack 

2019
01:43:15,520 --> 01:43:16,600
Dondarian. 
We'll see. 

2020
01:43:16,600 --> 01:43:18,120
Kind of. 
In the early days he was good, 

2021
01:43:18,120 --> 01:43:20,880
the the Scots respected him, but
over time, maybe power went to 

2022
01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:24,960
his head, I don't know. 
His men lived in a network of 

2023
01:43:24,960 --> 01:43:29,520
forests and caves in effective 
poverty, ambushing and raiding 

2024
01:43:29,520 --> 01:43:31,160
especially. 
He's very much like the Brother 

2025
01:43:31,160 --> 01:43:33,920
without Banners and him being 
their leader. 

2026
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:37,240
Yeah, Barrack Dondarian, the 
Flower of Chivalry in this case,

2027
01:43:37,240 --> 01:43:41,080
But again, not nearly as noble 
as Barrack and definitely didn't

2028
01:43:41,080 --> 01:43:44,160
die multiple times. 
I don't know about flaming 

2029
01:43:44,160 --> 01:43:46,520
swords either, and maybe they 
had flaming swords. 

2030
01:43:46,520 --> 01:43:47,680
They definitely used fire 
though. 

2031
01:43:47,680 --> 01:43:50,840
A lot of burning happened. 
Alright, let's let's focus on 

2032
01:43:50,840 --> 01:43:52,720
the Flower of Chivalry here for 
a minute. 

2033
01:43:53,560 --> 01:43:57,440
In 1341 he recaptured Edinburgh 
Castle after it had been lost 

2034
01:43:57,560 --> 01:43:59,640
during all that back and forth 
in 1335. 

2035
01:44:00,120 --> 01:44:03,600
Now of course this castle will 
change hands a lot of times and 

2036
01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:07,960
I kid you not, the flower of 
chivalry did this in a Victorian

2037
01:44:07,960 --> 01:44:12,600
Greyjoy at Slaver's Bay type 
method, AKA the Trojan Horse 

2038
01:44:12,600 --> 01:44:15,440
method. 
The Edinburgh Castle needed lots

2039
01:44:15,440 --> 01:44:18,480
of supplies to feed the 
Garrison, to get arrows and 

2040
01:44:18,920 --> 01:44:22,000
Flint for their swords and scat,
all the stuff they needed. 

2041
01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:25,760
Lots of stuff. 
One day the flower of Chivalry 

2042
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:30,240
and his men hid in hay wagons 
and were brought inside the 

2043
01:44:30,240 --> 01:44:31,920
castle. 
They jumped out of the hay 

2044
01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:35,960
wagons, held the gate open while
more Douglas men rushed inside 

2045
01:44:36,440 --> 01:44:38,440
and took the castle. 
Amazing. 

2046
01:44:40,160 --> 01:44:42,880
In early 1342 he was made an 
Earl. 

2047
01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:47,040
But then he had to give that up 
to Robert Stewart, which was the

2048
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:56,080
Robert Stewart, son of Marjorie 
Bruce and Walter Stewart, who is

2049
01:44:56,080 --> 01:44:58,840
now second in line for the 
throne behind King David. 

2050
01:44:59,920 --> 01:45:01,520
So there's a pattern developing 
here. 

2051
01:45:01,680 --> 01:45:04,960
We have the flower of chivalry, 
just keeps kind of getting land,

2052
01:45:04,960 --> 01:45:07,640
maybe muscling his way into it 
and then losing it because it 

2053
01:45:07,640 --> 01:45:09,120
really shouldn't have been his 
in the 1st place. 

2054
01:45:09,400 --> 01:45:13,320
He also held title over Roxburgh
Castle, another important castle

2055
01:45:13,320 --> 01:45:15,200
that changed hands a bunch of 
times during all these 

2056
01:45:15,200 --> 01:45:18,320
conflicts, but he wasn't able to
get it back. 

2057
01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:19,960
He tried several times and 
failed. 

2058
01:45:20,200 --> 01:45:22,560
And he was annoyed by this 
because, well, he held the 

2059
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:23,640
title. 
He wanted it back. 

2060
01:45:24,640 --> 01:45:27,080
Now, this is the same place 
Robert the Bruce's daughter 

2061
01:45:27,080 --> 01:45:30,680
Mary, was hanged. 
Not hanged not to death, but 

2062
01:45:30,680 --> 01:45:32,840
hanged in a cage outside to 
embarrass her. 

2063
01:45:32,840 --> 01:45:37,680
This is, yeah, bad. 
So in 1313 or 1314, on the night

2064
01:45:37,680 --> 01:45:40,760
of Shrove Tide, which is a 
religious holiday, again, 

2065
01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:44,040
they're attacking on a religious
holiday, following in the 

2066
01:45:44,040 --> 01:45:46,880
footsteps of the Black Douglas. 
And indeed, since we're talking 

2067
01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:49,840
about before the Black Douglas's
death, this is 1313, remember? 

2068
01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:51,800
Now we're in roughly the year 
1340. 

2069
01:45:52,040 --> 01:45:55,040
The Black Douglas had LED a 
night attack on this Roxburgh 

2070
01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:59,480
castle with 60 men dressed in 
black cloaks who were mistaken 

2071
01:45:59,480 --> 01:46:03,520
for sheep, or rather cattle. 
Cattle climbing the walls. 

2072
01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:05,360
They were cattle climbing the 
walls like those cattle are 

2073
01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:06,960
climbing the walls. 
That seems unusual. 

2074
01:46:07,160 --> 01:46:10,760
They wore all black and used 
like Spears to, with long Spears

2075
01:46:10,760 --> 01:46:13,640
to raise like a rope ladder up 
over the battlements. 

2076
01:46:13,640 --> 01:46:16,040
And they climbed over and they 
took the castle. 

2077
01:46:16,040 --> 01:46:18,400
Then they destroyed the 
fortifications because they were

2078
01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:20,960
pretty sure they'd lose the 
castle again, which they did. 

2079
01:46:21,320 --> 01:46:23,360
So this is. 
And now that brings us back to 

2080
01:46:23,360 --> 01:46:27,880
here where he's unable to 
recapture it because the British

2081
01:46:27,880 --> 01:46:30,480
across the English rather had 
rebuilt those defenses. 

2082
01:46:31,120 --> 01:46:35,560
Now in 1342, a certain Sir 
Alexander Ramsey spelled like 

2083
01:46:35,560 --> 01:46:39,160
Ramsey Bolton, but not much like
Ramsey, although it's done to 

2084
01:46:39,160 --> 01:46:42,320
him, is very like Ramsey. 
He recaptures it in another 

2085
01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:46,640
night assault and he's rewarded 
by King David, which made the 

2086
01:46:46,640 --> 01:46:49,840
flower of chivalry mad 'cause he
wanted to be the one to take 

2087
01:46:49,840 --> 01:46:52,040
that castle back. 
And he'd already had a rivalry 

2088
01:46:52,040 --> 01:46:58,320
with this Sir Alexander Ramsey. 
So later that year, the 1342 

2089
01:46:58,320 --> 01:47:02,000
Flower of Chivalry just rides 
with some men to to Hoyke, 

2090
01:47:02,440 --> 01:47:07,120
seizes Alexander Ramsey, ties 
him to a mule, and takes him to 

2091
01:47:07,120 --> 01:47:09,520
that castle Hermitage that I 
mentioned earlier and starves 

2092
01:47:09,520 --> 01:47:11,560
him to death. 
Yikes. 

2093
01:47:12,360 --> 01:47:17,280
Hugh the Doll also died in 1342,
and the Flower of Chivalry 

2094
01:47:17,360 --> 01:47:23,760
became not just Lord of Douglas,
but tried to rule and become 

2095
01:47:23,760 --> 01:47:27,840
the, you know, tried to hang on 
to power and this didn't go so 

2096
01:47:27,840 --> 01:47:30,600
well. 
By the way, that that ties into 

2097
01:47:30,600 --> 01:47:33,920
a mule part I find so odd I've 
been trying to figure out what. 

2098
01:47:34,480 --> 01:47:35,920
Just to embarrass him or I don't
know, keep. 

2099
01:47:36,040 --> 01:47:39,000
Him from running is it dangerous
maybe being said the mule might 

2100
01:47:39,000 --> 01:47:42,440
kick you or the smell of the 
mule poop is around all the time

2101
01:47:42,440 --> 01:47:46,240
I was thinking about the about 
the the heart hanging around 

2102
01:47:46,240 --> 01:47:47,760
your neck too. 
It's got a smell. 

2103
01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:49,560
What's the reality of that? 
How much does it? 

2104
01:47:50,120 --> 01:47:52,160
Does it? 
Smack you in a chin when you're 

2105
01:47:52,160 --> 01:47:55,000
riding your horse. 
Like sometimes I just try to 

2106
01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:57,360
think about the day-to-day 
reality of some of this stuff. 

2107
01:47:57,360 --> 01:48:02,760
It's so odd to me. 
So there was an offer in 1336 

2108
01:48:03,360 --> 01:48:05,840
made by Philip the Fortunate, 
the new king of France. 

2109
01:48:05,840 --> 01:48:07,360
This is king. 
This is Philip the 6th. 

2110
01:48:08,120 --> 01:48:10,160
The offer is OK. 
Edward Bally all gets to become 

2111
01:48:10,160 --> 01:48:13,840
King David. 
You get to become his heir, but 

2112
01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:15,680
you have to give up that jone of
the tower to Edward. 

2113
01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:18,080
They say no, it's like, no, I'm 
not doing that. 

2114
01:48:18,160 --> 01:48:20,880
No, no, no deal. 
No, definitely no deal. 

2115
01:48:21,000 --> 01:48:23,640
One of the reasons this deal was
rejected was because of Robert 

2116
01:48:23,640 --> 01:48:26,200
Stewart, who was in charge of 
things. 

2117
01:48:26,200 --> 01:48:27,840
He was. 
He was Stewart, even though he 

2118
01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:29,080
was also second in line to the 
throne. 

2119
01:48:29,200 --> 01:48:31,920
He wasn't about to accept any 
deal that pushed him out of the 

2120
01:48:31,920 --> 01:48:33,480
line further down the line of 
succession either. 

2121
01:48:33,640 --> 01:48:36,280
So this was not only unpalatable
to David, but to him. 

2122
01:48:36,280 --> 01:48:37,840
So there's a lot of opposition 
to this. 

2123
01:48:38,400 --> 01:48:40,480
The next year the 100 Years War 
begins. 

2124
01:48:40,920 --> 01:48:44,160
Scotland is not deeply embroiled
in it, but Scottish people are 

2125
01:48:44,160 --> 01:48:50,320
like a lot of nobles fight over 
there, either for the French or 

2126
01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:53,200
for other reasons, but usually 
just as allies to the French, 

2127
01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:57,560
mostly to fight against England.
Now by 1338, Edward Valiola is 

2128
01:48:57,560 --> 01:49:01,760
still trying to win, but he's 
just losing popularity and he's 

2129
01:49:01,760 --> 01:49:04,480
being seen as more and more 
English because more and more of

2130
01:49:04,480 --> 01:49:09,280
his support is English and not 
Scottish, and he is considered a

2131
01:49:09,280 --> 01:49:13,520
usurper by this point. 
So in 1341, the year before this

2132
01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:18,240
incident with the starvation of 
Alexander Ramsey, David was 17 

2133
01:49:18,240 --> 01:49:20,200
and takes over the government, 
even though he's younger than 

2134
01:49:20,200 --> 01:49:22,480
you can be, than you can be a 
knight. 

2135
01:49:23,400 --> 01:49:26,400
And but things were tense. 
There's lots of feuds. 

2136
01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:32,800
Scotland was in a tense place 
and this is an increasing 

2137
01:49:32,800 --> 01:49:35,600
problem as Scotland becomes a 
more powerful Kingdom, more and 

2138
01:49:35,600 --> 01:49:37,920
more nobles getting more power. 
They have more to lose, more to 

2139
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:40,520
fight over. 
It took David a good four years 

2140
01:49:40,520 --> 01:49:43,560
to kind of calm things down and 
all the while the war is still 

2141
01:49:43,560 --> 01:49:48,000
happening against England. 
But the war is also happening in

2142
01:49:48,000 --> 01:49:50,800
France during the 100 Years War.
So England's divided and I 

2143
01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:55,440
turned their attention is in 
1346, Edward the Third is 

2144
01:49:55,440 --> 01:49:57,920
Stillwell embroiled in France 
and doing well. 

2145
01:49:58,720 --> 01:50:02,760
So France needs some help. 
They're like, David, you're old 

2146
01:50:02,760 --> 01:50:06,000
enough now, why don't you 
invade, go invade England to 

2147
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:07,760
draw some attention back over 
there. 

2148
01:50:07,760 --> 01:50:10,080
He does it. 
He's we're told he happily did. 

2149
01:50:10,080 --> 01:50:12,360
So he brings a lot of men, like 
12,000 men. 

2150
01:50:12,960 --> 01:50:15,520
He brings 3 armies, 1 he leads 
himself. 

2151
01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:18,680
One is led by the Flower of 
Chivalry and one is led by 

2152
01:50:18,680 --> 01:50:22,400
Robert Stewart. 
OK, so he allows his men to 

2153
01:50:22,400 --> 01:50:26,160
rampage through Durham. 
They're kind of pillaging and 

2154
01:50:26,160 --> 01:50:28,600
looting the countryside. 
And then he's surprised by an 

2155
01:50:28,600 --> 01:50:30,400
English army. 
They didn't expect resistance so

2156
01:50:30,400 --> 01:50:35,280
fast, but the English mobilized 
quickly and the three portions 

2157
01:50:35,280 --> 01:50:38,440
of the army all unite to fight 
the Battle of Neville's Cross, 

2158
01:50:38,440 --> 01:50:41,120
which was a disastrous loss for 
Scotland. 

2159
01:50:41,800 --> 01:50:46,280
Robert Stewart and his men flee,
and King David the second is hit

2160
01:50:46,280 --> 01:50:50,400
twice in the face by arrows. 
He lives though and is such a 

2161
01:50:50,400 --> 01:50:54,960
bad ass that when they come to 
seize him, he breaks the teeth 

2162
01:50:54,960 --> 01:50:57,760
of one of the guys who grabs him
with his mailed fist. 

2163
01:50:58,440 --> 01:51:00,680
And the Flower of Chivalry was 
captured as well. 

2164
01:51:01,760 --> 01:51:05,720
Now many of the nobles caught in
this battle are ransomed because

2165
01:51:05,720 --> 01:51:08,360
Edward the Third constantly 
needs money for this war in 

2166
01:51:08,360 --> 01:51:10,880
France, but he doesn't release 
those two, they're too 

2167
01:51:10,880 --> 01:51:12,040
important. 
Now. 

2168
01:51:12,080 --> 01:51:15,880
The Flower of Chivalry was such 
an established leader at this 

2169
01:51:15,880 --> 01:51:20,320
point, even though he was 
operating above his titles, he 

2170
01:51:20,320 --> 01:51:23,120
actually ordered a hit from 
prison like some kind of mafia 

2171
01:51:23,120 --> 01:51:25,800
boss. 
Some knight killed his brother 

2172
01:51:26,360 --> 01:51:29,600
while he was in prison and he 
ordered that knight killed. 

2173
01:51:29,600 --> 01:51:32,640
And it happened while he's in 
prison, but in England. 

2174
01:51:32,640 --> 01:51:36,960
So that's pretty wild. 
This next section is called The 

2175
01:51:36,960 --> 01:51:39,560
King in Chains, and of course, 
it refers to David the second. 

2176
01:51:40,080 --> 01:51:45,720
So Edward Balliol is still, 
we're trying to win and still 

2177
01:51:45,720 --> 01:51:52,720
failing here many years later. 
And eventually things are going 

2178
01:51:52,720 --> 01:51:54,600
to come to a head shortly here. 
But in the meantime, Robert 

2179
01:51:54,600 --> 01:51:56,960
Stewart, who escaped, he was the
one leader who escaped that 

2180
01:51:56,960 --> 01:52:00,320
disaster, was calling the shots.
He's the 7th high steward. 

2181
01:52:00,400 --> 01:52:01,960
He's grandson of Robert the 
Bruce. 

2182
01:52:01,960 --> 01:52:05,840
He has a lot of political clout 
and he's he's basically ruling 

2183
01:52:06,440 --> 01:52:10,480
in David's name. 
And he's just a teenager. 

2184
01:52:10,640 --> 01:52:13,040
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Robert's very 
young too. 

2185
01:52:13,040 --> 01:52:15,080
Yeah. 
He's a little older than David, 

2186
01:52:15,080 --> 01:52:16,360
I think. 
He's not a teenager anymore, but

2187
01:52:16,360 --> 01:52:18,320
he's just, he's a young 20s at 
this point, I think. 

2188
01:52:18,880 --> 01:52:23,920
Anyway, another offer comes by 
that same John of Gaunt who 

2189
01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:27,600
Lancaster and York descend from.
They are like, hey, what if you 

2190
01:52:27,600 --> 01:52:29,520
make John of Gaunt your heir, 
David? 

2191
01:52:29,520 --> 01:52:34,040
And he's like, no, again, no, 
Robert Stewart says again, I'm 

2192
01:52:34,040 --> 01:52:36,400
David's Eyre. 
So no, I'm not. 

2193
01:52:36,400 --> 01:52:39,240
We're not going with that. 
So again, that was pushed aside.

2194
01:52:39,960 --> 01:52:43,160
In 1348, things came to a head 
for the Flower of Chivalry. 

2195
01:52:43,640 --> 01:52:46,920
Not only had he seemingly forced
his uncle to give that lordship 

2196
01:52:46,920 --> 01:52:48,560
to him. 
So that wasn't exactly legal. 

2197
01:52:49,360 --> 01:52:56,040
He had held Archibald's air, the
the true Lord of those lands, of

2198
01:52:56,040 --> 01:52:59,440
the Douglas lands. 
He hailed him as his ward. 

2199
01:52:59,440 --> 01:53:01,840
It was like one of the 
situations where the ward is the

2200
01:53:01,840 --> 01:53:06,680
the legal owner of the titles, 
but the powerful guy in charge 

2201
01:53:06,680 --> 01:53:09,080
kind of keeps the stuff for 
himself. 

2202
01:53:09,880 --> 01:53:13,360
Problem is this William guy 
who's his ward. 

2203
01:53:13,840 --> 01:53:16,600
Remember, they're both Williams.
The Flower of Chivalry's name is

2204
01:53:16,600 --> 01:53:19,520
William Douglas also, So this is
Archibald's heir, William 

2205
01:53:19,520 --> 01:53:22,040
Douglas. 
He had been educated in France. 

2206
01:53:22,040 --> 01:53:25,320
He was kept over there and was 
getting a good education. 

2207
01:53:25,320 --> 01:53:26,720
But finally he's old enough to 
come home. 

2208
01:53:27,040 --> 01:53:31,320
So he immediately comes back and
follows in the footsteps of all 

2209
01:53:31,320 --> 01:53:34,320
the other Douglases of this era 
who were war leaders guerrilla 

2210
01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:37,120
style, and immediately goes to 
war with the English who were 

2211
01:53:37,120 --> 01:53:41,360
squatting on his lands. 
So he wins over a lot of those 

2212
01:53:41,360 --> 01:53:43,840
men that had fought for the 
Flower of Chivalry become his 

2213
01:53:43,840 --> 01:53:45,960
men. 
All the while, the Tower of the 

2214
01:53:46,120 --> 01:53:48,480
the Flower of Chivalry is 
imprisoned at the Tower of 

2215
01:53:48,480 --> 01:53:51,960
London. 
Three years later, Edward the 

2216
01:53:51,960 --> 01:53:55,200
Third says, all right, time has 
come. 

2217
01:53:55,800 --> 01:53:58,200
I'm going to go ahead and ransom
King David and the Flower of 

2218
01:53:58,200 --> 01:54:00,920
Chivalry because I really need 
more money. 

2219
01:54:00,920 --> 01:54:04,480
The ransom is £40,000, just an 
absurd amount of money in this 

2220
01:54:04,480 --> 01:54:06,240
era. 
He released them. 

2221
01:54:06,240 --> 01:54:07,680
He releases them to go collect 
them. 

2222
01:54:07,680 --> 01:54:09,760
It's like, OK, I'm gonna let you
guys go, go collect the money. 

2223
01:54:10,320 --> 01:54:12,760
Give me the money. 
And again, you see the kind of 

2224
01:54:12,760 --> 01:54:17,680
odd culture that is happening 
here, though, the belief that 

2225
01:54:17,680 --> 01:54:20,880
they adhere to. 
They failed to collect the money

2226
01:54:21,200 --> 01:54:23,720
and just report back for 
imprisonment. 

2227
01:54:24,760 --> 01:54:25,920
They didn't just try to run off 
that. 

2228
01:54:25,920 --> 01:54:27,000
But you're not going to catch 
us. 

2229
01:54:27,000 --> 01:54:29,520
We're out of your hands now. 
They just go back to prison. 

2230
01:54:30,840 --> 01:54:34,600
But like the idea that they 
expected them to leave, get the 

2231
01:54:34,600 --> 01:54:37,760
money and come back and then be 
let go again, like on both 

2232
01:54:37,760 --> 01:54:41,920
sides, it's so crazy to me. 
Like say they say they had got 

2233
01:54:41,920 --> 01:54:44,360
the money. 
I'm just trying to imagine how 

2234
01:54:44,400 --> 01:54:45,880
how do they physically deliver 
it? 

2235
01:54:45,880 --> 01:54:48,960
How much like do it, you know, 
like how do they not get robbed 

2236
01:54:48,960 --> 01:54:52,480
by bandits on a way? 
There's so much about that just 

2237
01:54:52,480 --> 01:54:53,480
blows my mind. 
Like. 

2238
01:54:53,560 --> 01:54:55,160
Right. 
It's it is really hard to 

2239
01:54:55,160 --> 01:54:56,960
believe, but that's what's what 
happened. 

2240
01:54:56,960 --> 01:54:59,720
So since it didn't work, Edward 
tries a different tactic. 

2241
01:54:59,720 --> 01:55:01,480
He's like, all right, flower of 
chivalry. 

2242
01:55:01,600 --> 01:55:05,960
You're a chivalrous guy. 
Ironically, what if I give you 

2243
01:55:05,960 --> 01:55:10,200
lands and title in exchange for 
bringing your men over to my 

2244
01:55:10,200 --> 01:55:12,640
side? 
And I'm also going to keep some 

2245
01:55:12,640 --> 01:55:14,760
of your people as hostages, just
in case you don't. 

2246
01:55:15,400 --> 01:55:18,600
Just in case you don't go with 
this plan. 

2247
01:55:18,600 --> 01:55:20,000
In case you try to double cross 
me. 

2248
01:55:20,200 --> 01:55:23,680
Back with 40,000 lbs Yeah. 
So another word and and the 

2249
01:55:23,680 --> 01:55:25,120
flower of chivalry agrees to 
this. 

2250
01:55:25,520 --> 01:55:28,240
This is agreeing to treason. 
He this is, this is a treasonous

2251
01:55:28,240 --> 01:55:31,920
deal. 
So but he he thought it was his 

2252
01:55:31,920 --> 01:55:32,960
play. 
He still did it. 

2253
01:55:32,960 --> 01:55:34,600
This is what I'm saying. 
Like he's an evil Barrack 

2254
01:55:34,600 --> 01:55:36,720
Dondarian because he he was the 
good guy. 

2255
01:55:36,720 --> 01:55:38,680
He was leading his man. 
But then when he then he kind of

2256
01:55:38,680 --> 01:55:41,880
turns English, sort of, and he'd
been in prison for 11 years. 

2257
01:55:42,040 --> 01:55:44,040
Let's keep that in mind. 
Much had changed, though. 

2258
01:55:44,120 --> 01:55:47,920
Remember what did I say? 
The his men had turned to this 

2259
01:55:47,920 --> 01:55:50,400
other William Douglas, the one 
that was ward of his for a 

2260
01:55:50,400 --> 01:55:53,480
while. 
So when he gets back to his to 

2261
01:55:53,480 --> 01:55:56,120
Scotland, he's trying to bring 
these men over to Edward. 

2262
01:55:56,400 --> 01:55:59,440
They're already following this 
new other William Douglas, the 

2263
01:55:59,440 --> 01:56:01,840
actual true Lord of the Douglas 
lands. 

2264
01:56:02,080 --> 01:56:05,200
So a very odd event happens two 
years later. 

2265
01:56:06,040 --> 01:56:09,720
Edward Baliol, still squatting 
in Scottish lands, hasn't exited

2266
01:56:09,720 --> 01:56:11,240
the picture yet. 
He's having no success 

2267
01:56:11,240 --> 01:56:13,280
whatsoever, but he's still in 
the picture. 

2268
01:56:13,280 --> 01:56:17,960
So many years later. 
He he was raided by the new Lord

2269
01:56:17,960 --> 01:56:20,960
William here, who was trying to 
get Baliol to leave. 

2270
01:56:20,960 --> 01:56:22,960
He's like, I'm going to attack 
your forces and get you to 

2271
01:56:22,960 --> 01:56:25,160
leave. 
He's sitting, he's squatting in 

2272
01:56:25,160 --> 01:56:29,600
his territory, and on his way 
back with his from this raid, he

2273
01:56:29,600 --> 01:56:33,480
encounters the flower of 
chivalry who is hunting Earl. 

2274
01:56:33,480 --> 01:56:37,240
William is very resentful over, 
well, he's not Earl yet, He's 

2275
01:56:37,240 --> 01:56:39,520
about to become Earl because it 
becomes an Earl in five years. 

2276
01:56:39,600 --> 01:56:41,680
I'm calling Earl William to 
distinguish him from the flower 

2277
01:56:41,680 --> 01:56:42,480
of Chivalry. 
William. 

2278
01:56:43,200 --> 01:56:45,720
He's resentful over lots of the 
things the flower had done, 

2279
01:56:45,840 --> 01:56:50,560
being a traitor, trying to steal
his men, keeping him as a ward. 

2280
01:56:50,640 --> 01:56:53,000
We're not sure exactly, but he 
kills him. 

2281
01:56:54,000 --> 01:56:58,200
William Douglas kills William 
Douglas straight up, right? 

2282
01:56:58,200 --> 01:57:02,680
So Lord William kills the flower
of chivalry. 

2283
01:57:03,360 --> 01:57:05,280
That's, that's wild. 
So that's that happened. 

2284
01:57:05,600 --> 01:57:10,320
Then two years later, more 
scorched earth tactics, more 

2285
01:57:10,320 --> 01:57:12,640
ambushes. 
Edward the Third is driven back 

2286
01:57:12,840 --> 01:57:15,360
to his country and a new truce 
is signed. 

2287
01:57:15,880 --> 01:57:19,640
Scotland immediately breaks the 
truce with help from France. 

2288
01:57:20,160 --> 01:57:22,320
England gets mad, reinvades 
again. 

2289
01:57:22,320 --> 01:57:26,040
The following year, Edward 
Balliol finally gives up, even 

2290
01:57:26,040 --> 01:57:28,720
though he's still on the English
side and England is doing well 

2291
01:57:28,720 --> 01:57:30,080
this time. 
He's like, all right, I'm done. 

2292
01:57:30,600 --> 01:57:33,800
He surrenders his claim to 
Edward the Third in exchange for

2293
01:57:33,800 --> 01:57:35,920
money. 
Like, can you do that? 

2294
01:57:36,520 --> 01:57:41,800
You can sell your claim. 
It declined in value, but he got

2295
01:57:41,800 --> 01:57:44,240
good money for it. 
I wish they had all bought and 

2296
01:57:44,240 --> 01:57:46,360
sold their claims instead of 
going to war and killing each 

2297
01:57:46,360 --> 01:57:50,000
other over the claims honestly. 
So Edward Baliol ends up like 

2298
01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:51,880
his father John. 
Remember, John just goes and 

2299
01:57:51,880 --> 01:57:54,240
retires on his lands, lives out 
his days in obscurity. 

2300
01:57:54,520 --> 01:57:57,600
Edward does the same. 
He gets his second, third, four.

2301
01:57:57,600 --> 01:57:58,920
I don't know how many chances he
got. 

2302
01:57:59,040 --> 01:58:02,760
Just the ultimate rich guy's 
exit from the story. 

2303
01:58:02,760 --> 01:58:05,520
Like he fails all he's having. 
He still gets to go live on his 

2304
01:58:05,520 --> 01:58:07,600
rich lands and just dies in 
obscurity. 

2305
01:58:07,720 --> 01:58:11,560
This time though, no children. 
So it's, it's actually done. 

2306
01:58:11,560 --> 01:58:13,720
The Baliols are actually done 
this time. 

2307
01:58:14,760 --> 01:58:16,680
So Edward the 3rd may have been 
like, yeah, I'm, I'm going to 

2308
01:58:16,680 --> 01:58:19,360
make myself king of Scotland. 
Screw all this other business, 

2309
01:58:19,360 --> 01:58:22,480
screw vassals, screw 
overlordships, direct controls, 

2310
01:58:22,480 --> 01:58:25,200
what we're after. 
But the weather messed up this 

2311
01:58:25,200 --> 01:58:28,240
campaign and some other things, 
but especially the weather and, 

2312
01:58:28,240 --> 01:58:29,800
and the scorched earth and all 
that other stuff. 

2313
01:58:29,800 --> 01:58:33,360
So he had to go back again in 
1357. 

2314
01:58:33,880 --> 01:58:36,720
The war ended, though. 
Edwards had enough, in part 

2315
01:58:36,720 --> 01:58:41,960
because of the the 100 Years War
had a huge battle, the Battle of

2316
01:58:41,960 --> 01:58:46,640
Poitier I think it was, where 
the French suffered a humongous,

2317
01:58:46,640 --> 01:58:48,800
humiliating defeat. 
Their king was captured in 

2318
01:58:48,800 --> 01:58:53,760
battle, and William Douglas was 
there. 

2319
01:58:53,920 --> 01:58:55,640
He had been knighted by King 
John the second. 

2320
01:58:56,200 --> 01:58:59,200
He had barely escaped as he 
couldn't bear to be captured by 

2321
01:58:59,200 --> 01:59:01,760
the English. 
But his first cousin, Archibald 

2322
01:59:01,760 --> 01:59:04,440
the Grimm was captured. 
Archibald the Grimm, he's going 

2323
01:59:04,440 --> 01:59:06,960
to be important too. 
So finally they agreed on an 

2324
01:59:06,960 --> 01:59:08,840
actual ransom for David. 
Remember it before it had been 

2325
01:59:08,840 --> 01:59:10,480
40K. 
They couldn't collect the money.

2326
01:59:10,680 --> 01:59:13,400
So what if you do? 
When you can't collect 40K, you 

2327
01:59:13,400 --> 01:59:18,760
increase the ransom to 100K. 
Like you can't get me 40K, you 

2328
01:59:18,760 --> 01:59:21,280
have to get me 100K. 
They actually only paid about 20

2329
01:59:21,280 --> 01:59:24,760
K of it. 
So, you know, now Joan of the 

2330
01:59:24,760 --> 01:59:28,200
Tower, even though David refused
to give her up, he wasn't like, 

2331
01:59:28,200 --> 01:59:29,360
I'm not going to give away my 
wife. 

2332
01:59:29,520 --> 01:59:32,720
She didn't want to be with him 
because during his eleven years 

2333
01:59:32,720 --> 01:59:35,840
in prison, he had lots of 
conjugal visits and took a 

2334
01:59:35,840 --> 01:59:39,040
lover, but he had no children. 
So that's interesting. 

2335
01:59:39,640 --> 01:59:42,840
He didn't have any with her or 
his lovers, so he was maybe 

2336
01:59:42,840 --> 01:59:45,160
sterile, maybe like an egg on 
the Conqueror situation. 

2337
01:59:45,600 --> 01:59:48,200
But a king without an air is an 
interesting thing and a 

2338
01:59:48,200 --> 01:59:50,280
dangerous thing. 
Who is his heir, though? 

2339
01:59:50,920 --> 01:59:53,760
Robert Stewart, grandson of 
Robert the Bruce, through his 

2340
01:59:53,760 --> 01:59:57,240
daughter Marjorie, and the son 
of Walter Stewart, this guy 

2341
01:59:57,240 --> 01:59:59,440
who's still kind of running 
England, meaning Robert Stewart.

2342
01:59:59,800 --> 02:00:03,360
So Scarlett and Feist fought off
England after driving out the 

2343
02:00:03,360 --> 02:00:06,160
Norse. 
And this is again, this is 

2344
02:00:06,160 --> 02:00:09,200
really reminds us of Dorn. 
Isn't this like Dornish more 

2345
02:00:09,200 --> 02:00:10,640
than anything? 
They just, they just won't give 

2346
02:00:10,640 --> 02:00:12,560
up. 
They burn their own stuff. 

2347
02:00:12,640 --> 02:00:17,080
The local population often often
helps and just they just won't 

2348
02:00:17,080 --> 02:00:18,320
guerrilla. 
Tactics. 

2349
02:00:18,560 --> 02:00:21,640
Yeah, very Dornish. 
Really. 

2350
02:00:22,080 --> 02:00:25,000
I think a lot of Scottish people
would identify with Dorn. 

2351
02:00:25,120 --> 02:00:27,680
Maybe not today, maybe, but 
certainly in this era. 

2352
02:00:29,560 --> 02:00:31,280
There's a new feature on 
Patreon. 

2353
02:00:31,800 --> 02:00:35,240
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2354
02:00:35,240 --> 02:00:36,960
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2355
02:00:36,960 --> 02:00:39,280
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02:00:42,600 --> 02:00:46,080
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02:00:46,080 --> 02:00:51,000
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2359
02:00:51,000 --> 02:00:53,480
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2360
02:00:53,520 --> 02:00:55,600
It's the giving thing to do. 
It's great, right? 

2361
02:00:56,520 --> 02:01:00,120
But seriously folks, episodes 
like this, a lot of y'all love 

2362
02:01:00,120 --> 02:01:02,080
them. 
I love them, but frankly, 

2363
02:01:02,440 --> 02:01:04,720
they're not super popular. 
This is not the kind of episodes

2364
02:01:04,720 --> 02:01:07,760
we want to make if we want to 
get 10s and 10s of thousands of 

2365
02:01:07,760 --> 02:01:09,560
downloads and views. 
This is. 

2366
02:01:09,560 --> 02:01:14,680
This is not popular content. 
Thankfully, we want to cater to 

2367
02:01:14,680 --> 02:01:17,440
y'all. 
Most of all, more than we want 

2368
02:01:17,520 --> 02:01:21,440
to appeal to popularity, we want
Scottish. 

2369
02:01:25,440 --> 02:01:28,040
Exactly. 
But no, I think this is the type

2370
02:01:28,040 --> 02:01:31,440
of thing that makes Patreon 
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2371
02:01:31,440 --> 02:01:35,400
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2372
02:01:35,400 --> 02:01:38,800
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That is very well said and very 

2373
02:01:38,800 --> 02:01:41,320
accurate because yes, it's it is
more fun for us and so we're 

2374
02:01:41,320 --> 02:01:43,320
thankful for that. 
But we wouldn't be able to do it

2375
02:01:43,320 --> 02:01:45,440
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Because with without y'all, we 

2376
02:01:45,440 --> 02:01:48,680
would have to make more episodes
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2377
02:01:48,680 --> 02:01:52,960
very rarely stray into these 
obscure topics, especially for 

2378
02:01:52,960 --> 02:01:55,400
deep dives this long, right? 
We just wouldn't be able to do 

2379
02:01:55,400 --> 02:01:56,520
it. 
So thank you very much, 

2380
02:01:56,520 --> 02:01:58,120
sincerely. 
We really appreciate it. 

2381
02:01:58,120 --> 02:02:00,560
And and we hope that support 
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2382
02:02:01,080 --> 02:02:02,720
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this. 

2383
02:02:04,040 --> 02:02:08,480
Let's now move into the final 
phase of the episode, Scotland's

2384
02:02:08,480 --> 02:02:12,920
Game of Thrones. 
Now is when we turn from outside

2385
02:02:12,920 --> 02:02:17,160
wars to internal wars, for the 
most part because Stewart and 

2386
02:02:17,160 --> 02:02:20,320
Douglas, after their long rise 
to prominence, fighting in all 

2387
02:02:20,320 --> 02:02:23,080
these wars of independence, all 
these wars against England and 

2388
02:02:23,080 --> 02:02:27,080
before that against Norway, as 
they gain power through these 

2389
02:02:27,080 --> 02:02:30,240
conflicts, they start to fight 
each other more and more. 

2390
02:02:30,240 --> 02:02:33,440
Such is the way of power. 
You can see the elements in 

2391
02:02:33,440 --> 02:02:35,840
place already at the start of 
this phase of the episode. 

2392
02:02:36,000 --> 02:02:40,200
You have an ancient realm, an 
old Kingdom with new power and 

2393
02:02:40,200 --> 02:02:42,760
pride over what they've 
overcome, what they've beaten. 

2394
02:02:43,240 --> 02:02:44,360
That would give you a sense of 
pride. 

2395
02:02:44,360 --> 02:02:46,600
We beat the English we many 
times. 

2396
02:02:46,600 --> 02:02:49,200
That's hard to do. 
And they're the smaller country.

2397
02:02:49,200 --> 02:02:52,640
It is something to be proud of. 
But there's so many rivalries 

2398
02:02:52,640 --> 02:02:55,160
and blood feuds within Scotland 
that date back to who knows 

2399
02:02:55,160 --> 02:02:56,720
when. 
Prior to their trouble with the 

2400
02:02:56,720 --> 02:02:59,080
English, before the English even
existed really. 

2401
02:02:59,160 --> 02:03:02,680
And that's where we get a nice 
Blackwood Bracken parallel 

2402
02:03:02,680 --> 02:03:05,680
because by now Stewart and 
Douglas have been intermarried 

2403
02:03:05,680 --> 02:03:07,280
many times. 
Douglas is intermarried. 

2404
02:03:07,280 --> 02:03:08,640
Douglas is going to fight 
itself. 

2405
02:03:08,920 --> 02:03:11,520
Stewart's going to fight 
Douglas, just like Blackens. 

2406
02:03:11,560 --> 02:03:12,560
Blackens. 
I keep doing it. 

2407
02:03:12,560 --> 02:03:14,720
Bracken and Black would fight 
each other at this time. 

2408
02:03:14,720 --> 02:03:18,160
Also, the king is the son of a 
famous hero king and has no 

2409
02:03:18,160 --> 02:03:22,840
children or brothers. 
That nothing could go wrong, 

2410
02:03:23,400 --> 02:03:26,200
right? 
Of course the succession will be

2411
02:03:26,200 --> 02:03:28,000
smooth, right? 
Yeah. 

2412
02:03:28,400 --> 02:03:31,560
He didn't even have nephews from
the male line. 

2413
02:03:31,560 --> 02:03:34,200
Because that Edward Bruce 
character died in England 

2414
02:03:34,200 --> 02:03:38,240
without Stuart reinforcements. 
He had no kids either. 

2415
02:03:39,120 --> 02:03:44,720
And worse, King David hated 
Robert Stewart, his heir, the 

2416
02:03:44,720 --> 02:03:46,840
7th High Steward of Scotland. 
Why? 

2417
02:03:47,360 --> 02:03:50,680
I don't know, but there's a lot 
of reasons to guess. 1 is 

2418
02:03:50,680 --> 02:03:55,240
because maybe Robert, well, 
maybe because Robert escaped the

2419
02:03:55,240 --> 02:03:57,240
same battle where David and the 
Flower of Chivalry were 

2420
02:03:57,240 --> 02:04:00,880
captured. 
Maybe Robert was cowardly in 

2421
02:04:00,880 --> 02:04:02,160
escaping that. 
Maybe he should have fought 

2422
02:04:02,160 --> 02:04:05,440
harder to save David. 
He's also the one that forced 

2423
02:04:05,440 --> 02:04:08,000
David to resume captivity 
because he wouldn't agree to the

2424
02:04:08,000 --> 02:04:10,960
deal, pushing himself farther 
down in the line of succession. 

2425
02:04:12,680 --> 02:04:16,760
Maybe he was jealous David was 
that he had zero children and 

2426
02:04:16,760 --> 02:04:20,240
Robert had nine, and then 13 and
then 25. 

2427
02:04:20,240 --> 02:04:26,880
Yes, Robert Stewart, 7th High 
Stewart of Scotland had 25 

2428
02:04:26,880 --> 02:04:31,640
children and David had 0. 
How many different wives was 

2429
02:04:31,640 --> 02:04:33,760
that? 
Only two, but he had a lot of 

2430
02:04:33,760 --> 02:04:35,040
illegitimate children. 
Yeah. 

2431
02:04:35,040 --> 02:04:37,240
So he had nine with his first 
wife, four with the second, and 

2432
02:04:37,240 --> 02:04:40,000
12 illegitimate children. 
Blowing my mind, jeez. 

2433
02:04:40,200 --> 02:04:43,440
I know right? 
What the F now? 

2434
02:04:43,440 --> 02:04:46,640
David tried many times to 
disinherit Robert Stewart but 

2435
02:04:46,640 --> 02:04:50,160
just couldn't do it. 
The most obvious way he tried to

2436
02:04:50,280 --> 02:04:52,720
disinherit Robert Stewart was by
having kids, but as we already 

2437
02:04:52,720 --> 02:04:57,000
said, that failed. 
Now in 1358 it went from the 

2438
02:04:57,000 --> 02:04:58,920
lordship of Douglas to the 
earldom of Douglas. 

2439
02:04:58,920 --> 02:05:04,520
So their Earls from now on. 
In 1960, the Earl of Angus 

2440
02:05:05,120 --> 02:05:07,840
murdered David's lover, 
Catherine Mortimer. 

2441
02:05:07,880 --> 02:05:11,640
We don't know how Catherine 
Mortimer was related to Roger 

2442
02:05:11,640 --> 02:05:16,000
Mortimer, the lover of Isabella 
the the one who overthrew Edward

2443
02:05:16,000 --> 02:05:20,040
the Second, but the Earl of 
Angus is going to very soon 

2444
02:05:20,760 --> 02:05:23,160
become the title of the Red 
Douglas's. 

2445
02:05:23,160 --> 02:05:29,080
Not quite yet. 
In 1363, Robert rebelled with 

2446
02:05:29,080 --> 02:05:33,440
the support of the Douglases 
against David, but they came to 

2447
02:05:33,440 --> 02:05:34,880
terms. 
Apparently David threatened to 

2448
02:05:34,880 --> 02:05:36,080
remove him from the line of 
succession. 

2449
02:05:36,080 --> 02:05:37,680
Like, well, didn't you see that 
coming? 

2450
02:05:37,680 --> 02:05:39,120
Robert, You're the second in 
line. 

2451
02:05:39,200 --> 02:05:40,680
You're you're next in line to 
the throne. 

2452
02:05:40,880 --> 02:05:42,920
You go to war against the guy 
who's ahead of you and he 

2453
02:05:42,920 --> 02:05:44,560
threatens you to that You won't 
be king. 

2454
02:05:44,680 --> 02:05:46,080
Wait, aren't you rebelling 
against him? 

2455
02:05:46,080 --> 02:05:47,760
Can't you just force him? 
No, I don't know. 

2456
02:05:48,000 --> 02:05:50,080
It didn't work. 
Whatever happened, they just, 

2457
02:05:50,440 --> 02:05:52,320
they said stop and went back to 
normal. 

2458
02:05:53,200 --> 02:05:57,600
But then the very next year 
William supported the removal of

2459
02:05:57,600 --> 02:06:00,040
Robert Stewart from the 
succession in exchange for the 

2460
02:06:00,040 --> 02:06:04,840
removal of that huge debt and 
the return of the Douglas lands 

2461
02:06:04,840 --> 02:06:08,880
in England. 
But it meant giving the Scottish

2462
02:06:08,880 --> 02:06:12,080
throne to a certain Prince 
Lionel, a different son of King 

2463
02:06:12,080 --> 02:06:15,600
Edward the Third. 
Even though they put a clause in

2464
02:06:15,600 --> 02:06:19,280
that contract to say that, yes, 
after Lionel, the throne will go

2465
02:06:19,280 --> 02:06:20,880
back to Scotland. 
The plan failed. 

2466
02:06:20,880 --> 02:06:23,760
They're like, I don't trust you.
We can't trust you to keep to 

2467
02:06:23,760 --> 02:06:27,360
give the throne back. 
So a bunch of back and forth 

2468
02:06:27,360 --> 02:06:29,720
again, that kind of resulted in 
nothing. 

2469
02:06:30,280 --> 02:06:33,800
In 1371, David was only 46, but 
he died. 

2470
02:06:34,840 --> 02:06:37,240
Doesn't seem to be foul play, 
but it was definitely. 

2471
02:06:37,520 --> 02:06:40,800
And it seems to have been a 
surprise because, you know, he 

2472
02:06:40,800 --> 02:06:44,640
was kind of young. 
Robert ascends the throne as 

2473
02:06:44,640 --> 02:06:46,720
Roberts a second. 
It finally happened. 

2474
02:06:46,720 --> 02:06:52,240
The stewards had become kings 
and the Douglasses were, if not 

2475
02:06:52,240 --> 02:06:54,640
even more powerful than the 
Stewarts, close enough. 

2476
02:06:54,640 --> 02:06:57,720
So the Stewarts and the 
Douglasses have really arrived 

2477
02:06:57,720 --> 02:07:01,080
at this point. 
Now Robert starts making music. 

2478
02:07:01,200 --> 02:07:04,000
They like, like a Bloodraven 
type of thing or a Tywin 

2479
02:07:04,000 --> 02:07:06,240
Lannister kind of thing with the
reigns of Castamere where they 

2480
02:07:06,240 --> 02:07:09,720
they create music and ballads to
glorify their reign. 

2481
02:07:10,040 --> 02:07:12,600
They can, they connect 
themselves to the Bruces 

2482
02:07:12,680 --> 02:07:16,320
because, well, he is. 
Bruce was his grandfather, but 

2483
02:07:16,320 --> 02:07:18,320
he has the name Stewart. 
So they got to make that clear 

2484
02:07:18,320 --> 02:07:22,040
to everybody else. 
They glorify Good Sir James, AKA

2485
02:07:22,040 --> 02:07:25,920
the Black Douglas and Walter the
Stewart who was the father of 

2486
02:07:25,920 --> 02:07:28,640
Robert Stewart, right? 
There were still problems, of 

2487
02:07:28,640 --> 02:07:34,520
course, but it was pretty good 
overall this this early period 

2488
02:07:34,520 --> 02:07:39,080
of Robert's rule, because there 
wasn't a lot of war and Robert 

2489
02:07:39,080 --> 02:07:42,640
was a decent administrator or 
maybe even a good administrator.

2490
02:07:42,640 --> 02:07:45,720
Wool, the wool trade, which is 
still to this day a big deal in 

2491
02:07:45,720 --> 02:07:49,360
Scotland, really took off and 
the ransom payments ended. 

2492
02:07:49,520 --> 02:07:53,320
So Scotland was way better off 
financially and they started to 

2493
02:07:53,320 --> 02:07:56,680
recover and rebuild and a lot of
the scorched earth damage was 

2494
02:07:56,680 --> 02:07:59,680
undone. 
There were still raids, lots of 

2495
02:07:59,680 --> 02:08:04,280
fights on the border but it was 
mostly confined to that. 

2496
02:08:04,280 --> 02:08:07,720
Except for one case where the 
same John of Gaunt, that same 

2497
02:08:07,720 --> 02:08:11,360
guy that Lancaster, NY descend 
from, he raided Scotland and got

2498
02:08:11,360 --> 02:08:14,320
as far as Edinburgh before going
back. 

2499
02:08:16,240 --> 02:08:19,360
Now the red and Black Douglas, 
let's get into that. 

2500
02:08:19,360 --> 02:08:22,560
This is when that really comes 
to a head and the two halves of 

2501
02:08:22,560 --> 02:08:25,480
the family really distinctly 
split. 

2502
02:08:25,480 --> 02:08:29,360
It's it's not 100% clear in 
reality when the split was 

2503
02:08:29,360 --> 02:08:31,040
official or when people started 
calling them. 

2504
02:08:31,040 --> 02:08:33,560
The red and black Douglas is 
doesn't really matter for our 

2505
02:08:33,560 --> 02:08:36,200
purposes, but it certainly 
happened. 

2506
02:08:36,560 --> 02:08:40,560
William still in charge. 
Lord William, first Earl of 

2507
02:08:40,560 --> 02:08:43,960
Douglas, married Isabel, one of 
Robert Stewart's daughters, 

2508
02:08:43,960 --> 02:08:45,920
showing the growing closeness of
the two. 

2509
02:08:45,920 --> 02:08:48,360
One of those 25 children. 
But this is one of the 

2510
02:08:48,360 --> 02:08:51,440
legitimate children. 
Now, to be fair, legitimate and 

2511
02:08:51,440 --> 02:08:55,520
illegitimate and this time 
didn't mean as much as it did as

2512
02:08:55,560 --> 02:08:58,080
as dozen Westeros bastards in 
this era. 

2513
02:08:58,720 --> 02:09:02,400
For in medieval England, 
Scotland, France, they weren't 

2514
02:09:02,400 --> 02:09:04,280
shunned. 
They weren't looked down on 

2515
02:09:04,280 --> 02:09:06,800
nearly as much. 
They often got titles. 

2516
02:09:06,800 --> 02:09:08,840
They often got lordships, 
earldoms, what have you. 

2517
02:09:08,840 --> 02:09:12,000
So still, they were they were 
lower, but they weren't like, 

2518
02:09:12,720 --> 02:09:16,480
oh, bastards are only conceived 
of lust and and like it wasn't 

2519
02:09:16,480 --> 02:09:19,080
really like that. 
So keep that in mind that that 

2520
02:09:19,080 --> 02:09:21,760
the illegitimate children aren't
aren't look down on nearly as 

2521
02:09:21,760 --> 02:09:23,640
much as they are in Westeros. 
That's an important distinction.

2522
02:09:23,760 --> 02:09:27,680
Now we get a little romance on 
the side. 

2523
02:09:27,680 --> 02:09:31,840
Around 1380, same William 
Douglas begins an affair with 

2524
02:09:32,040 --> 02:09:36,240
Margaret Stewart, who was a 
widow by this time, but also his

2525
02:09:36,560 --> 02:09:40,440
brother-in-law because 
Margaret's deceased husband was 

2526
02:09:40,440 --> 02:09:42,920
William's wife's brother. 
Yeah. 

2527
02:09:44,520 --> 02:09:49,000
So you have a William married 
and a Margaret married, his 

2528
02:09:49,000 --> 02:09:52,760
brother, Margaret's Williams 
brother dies, and then William 

2529
02:09:52,760 --> 02:09:55,280
also hooks up with Margaret. 
Yeah. 

2530
02:09:55,280 --> 02:09:57,600
Anyway. 
And Douglas also had a Stewart 

2531
02:09:57,600 --> 02:09:59,400
grandmother. 
So there's just so much Stewart 

2532
02:09:59,400 --> 02:10:02,120
and Douglas mixed in now, you 
can't even keep track anymore. 

2533
02:10:02,240 --> 02:10:05,400
And you don't have to just know.
Douglas and Stewart are just 

2534
02:10:05,400 --> 02:10:08,840
dominating everything now. 
They would have two children, 

2535
02:10:08,840 --> 02:10:14,960
George and, of course, Margaret.
George is the one who inherits 

2536
02:10:14,960 --> 02:10:16,960
the lands from his mother 
because Margaret actually 

2537
02:10:16,960 --> 02:10:21,440
inherited the land, the Angus 
lands, possibly because of that 

2538
02:10:21,440 --> 02:10:26,680
incident where the Earl of Angus
assassinated David's lover, 

2539
02:10:26,680 --> 02:10:29,160
Catherine Mortimer. 
He was maybe punished for that. 

2540
02:10:29,160 --> 02:10:31,720
And then the lands went to the 
Douglasses. 

2541
02:10:31,920 --> 02:10:33,400
Like, yeah, give the Douglasses 
more power. 

2542
02:10:33,400 --> 02:10:36,200
That's a good solution. 
So Douglas inherits. 

2543
02:10:36,200 --> 02:10:39,040
So George inherits the Douglas, 
the Angus lands from Margaret 

2544
02:10:39,480 --> 02:10:43,360
and this is the Red Douglases. 
That's official now, like or at 

2545
02:10:43,360 --> 02:10:44,920
least official enough for our 
purposes. 

2546
02:10:44,920 --> 02:10:49,360
So the red Douglases are the 
Angus lands, whereas the Douglas

2547
02:10:49,360 --> 02:10:51,800
lands become the black Douglas 
lands. 

2548
02:10:52,000 --> 02:10:55,720
The the, the bigger branch, over
time, the branches would start 

2549
02:10:55,720 --> 02:10:59,280
to grow closer in power because 
it becomes like a, like a, a 

2550
02:10:59,280 --> 02:11:00,880
scale. 
It's like, well, we can't have 

2551
02:11:00,880 --> 02:11:02,360
the black Douglases being too 
powerful. 

2552
02:11:02,360 --> 02:11:03,960
We need the red Douglas to 
counterbalance them. 

2553
02:11:04,080 --> 02:11:08,160
So instead of like you have the 
the Tyrells to balance out the 

2554
02:11:08,160 --> 02:11:10,240
Lannisters, whatever, you know, 
it's all just the Douglases, the

2555
02:11:10,240 --> 02:11:11,880
red Douglas balancing at the 
black. 

2556
02:11:11,880 --> 02:11:15,760
It's just so much Douglas. 
You can't even you can't even 

2557
02:11:15,760 --> 02:11:18,480
understand. 
You can't even can't even count 

2558
02:11:18,480 --> 02:11:20,000
it all. 
There's just so much Douglas 

2559
02:11:21,000 --> 02:11:23,800
now. 
William Douglas, first Earl, 

2560
02:11:24,960 --> 02:11:28,000
finished his life sort of the 
way it began, making and 

2561
02:11:28,000 --> 02:11:30,000
repelling border raids, very 
Darnish. 

2562
02:11:30,000 --> 02:11:32,680
Again, just a life of raids back
and forth. 

2563
02:11:32,680 --> 02:11:36,640
He dies in 1384. 
James, second Earl of Douglas 

2564
02:11:36,640 --> 02:11:39,400
takes over and it's even more 
officially the Black Douglas 

2565
02:11:39,400 --> 02:11:43,280
lands at this point. 
Now we have the incident of 

2566
02:11:43,280 --> 02:11:46,000
Black Douglas versus Fireball. 
Fireball, you all remember 

2567
02:11:46,000 --> 02:11:50,320
that's the famous commander who 
died the day before the red 

2568
02:11:50,320 --> 02:11:53,640
grass field, one of the men who 
was crucial in encouraging game 

2569
02:11:53,640 --> 02:11:56,560
in Black Fire to rebel. 
His real life parallel is Sir 

2570
02:11:56,560 --> 02:12:00,440
Henry Percy AKA Hotspur. 
Hotspur, Fireball, you see the 

2571
02:12:00,440 --> 02:12:03,120
connection? 
Hotspur was also very rash, very

2572
02:12:03,120 --> 02:12:05,480
aggressive commander like 
Fireball was. 

2573
02:12:05,880 --> 02:12:09,440
I think they both had red hair. 
Remember his supposed son? 

2574
02:12:09,440 --> 02:12:13,360
You know the the the kid that is
the hero in the mystery night 

2575
02:12:13,360 --> 02:12:15,640
doesn't have red hair but claims
to be descendant of him. 

2576
02:12:15,640 --> 02:12:18,160
That's house ball, right? 
Supposed son. 

2577
02:12:18,600 --> 02:12:22,680
Glendon Ball for this injustice.
He won his trial by combat. 

2578
02:12:22,680 --> 02:12:27,920
He can prove now. 
Anyway, James launches his 

2579
02:12:27,920 --> 02:12:31,720
earldom because it's now an 
earldom and he's just taking it 

2580
02:12:31,720 --> 02:12:35,480
over by writing the English. 
What better way to celebrate 

2581
02:12:35,480 --> 02:12:38,880
becoming the the the Earl of the
Black Douglas lands by writing 

2582
02:12:38,880 --> 02:12:41,120
the It's a very Scottish thing 
to do write the English just 

2583
02:12:41,120 --> 02:12:43,400
like it's a very English thing 
to do to write. 

2584
02:12:44,240 --> 02:12:48,520
Exactly. 
And France shows up in Scotland 

2585
02:12:48,600 --> 02:12:50,520
like a bunch. 
A big French delegation shows up

2586
02:12:50,520 --> 02:12:52,240
in Scots negotiate a truce with 
the English. 

2587
02:12:52,240 --> 02:12:54,520
They they they have it in this 
sort of semi neutral ground. 

2588
02:12:54,800 --> 02:12:56,920
There were a lot of extra 
Frenchmen there. 

2589
02:12:56,920 --> 02:12:59,760
Some of them were just weren't 
happy about the idea of a truce.

2590
02:12:59,760 --> 02:13:02,080
So they're like, hey, these 
French Knights, a a gang of 

2591
02:13:02,080 --> 02:13:03,800
them. 
And I'm calling them a gang on 

2592
02:13:03,800 --> 02:13:07,440
purpose. 
They're like they they float the

2593
02:13:07,440 --> 02:13:10,360
word to the Scots. 
They're like, we like fighting 

2594
02:13:10,360 --> 02:13:11,960
English. 
You like fighting English. 

2595
02:13:12,640 --> 02:13:13,800
Yeah. 
They're trying to negotiate a 

2596
02:13:13,800 --> 02:13:18,200
truce, but what if we had gang 
up together and go into England 

2597
02:13:18,200 --> 02:13:19,880
and raid it? 
What, Wouldn't that be cool? 

2598
02:13:20,040 --> 02:13:21,320
You can help us. 
We'll help you. 

2599
02:13:21,320 --> 02:13:23,960
They're basically sell swords, 
saying hey, or just opportunists

2600
02:13:23,960 --> 02:13:28,960
or adventurers, pick your term. 
So James is like, yeah, let's do

2601
02:13:28,960 --> 02:13:30,920
that. 
James, second Earl of Douglas, 

2602
02:13:30,920 --> 02:13:33,160
is like, let's do it. 
He brings his buddy Sir David 

2603
02:13:33,160 --> 02:13:35,200
Lindsey. 
This is 1484. 

2604
02:13:35,240 --> 02:13:37,840
They attacked Northumberland. 
Remember this Northumberland is 

2605
02:13:37,840 --> 02:13:41,280
the territory that is York 
Territory or was York Territory.

2606
02:13:41,840 --> 02:13:44,560
And of course it's also 
associated with Utred, son of 

2607
02:13:44,560 --> 02:13:47,880
Utred and son of Utred, son of 
Utred, son of Utred. 

2608
02:13:47,880 --> 02:13:52,560
Yes, lots of Utreds. 
So the French and, and James and

2609
02:13:52,560 --> 02:13:55,560
David, they raid Northumberland.
It's very successful. 

2610
02:13:55,560 --> 02:13:59,080
They carry off loot and stuff 
and meanwhile the truce is 

2611
02:13:59,080 --> 02:14:00,560
successful. 
Despite all this, they still 

2612
02:14:00,560 --> 02:14:04,120
call it truce despite this raid.
It's like 11 raid isn't going to

2613
02:14:04,120 --> 02:14:06,880
throw ruin the whole thing. 
It's kind of weird to they just 

2614
02:14:06,880 --> 02:14:09,240
they got away with it like there
was no penalty for any of this. 

2615
02:14:09,240 --> 02:14:12,040
Apparently the French Knights 
are like, OK, hey, we got to go 

2616
02:14:12,040 --> 02:14:14,560
back to France, but we had such 
a great time. 

2617
02:14:14,560 --> 02:14:18,840
Let's do this again. 
So that's what happened the the 

2618
02:14:18,840 --> 02:14:21,440
next year the truce expires. 
It was a short term truce. 

2619
02:14:21,640 --> 02:14:23,880
I said 1484. 
I meant to say 1384. 

2620
02:14:23,880 --> 02:14:27,640
My bad. 
So in 1385, the truce expired 

2621
02:14:27,640 --> 02:14:29,080
and the French Knights came 
back. 

2622
02:14:29,080 --> 02:14:31,840
They're like, yeah, we said we'd
come back for more partying. 

2623
02:14:32,120 --> 02:14:35,800
We're back. 
They again raid England, but 

2624
02:14:35,800 --> 02:14:38,640
this time Richard the Second is 
in charge of England, and he had

2625
02:14:38,640 --> 02:14:41,720
a bigger army. 
Richard's army chases the Scots 

2626
02:14:41,720 --> 02:14:47,000
French army back into Scotland, 
and he ravages the countryside. 

2627
02:14:47,000 --> 02:14:49,520
And the Scots ravaged the 
countryside to deny him 

2628
02:14:49,520 --> 02:14:52,000
supplies. 
It's backfired pretty badly. 

2629
02:14:52,000 --> 02:14:53,720
Yeah, especially for the common 
folk. 

2630
02:14:53,840 --> 02:14:57,600
Meanwhile, Archibald the Grimm, 
who remember had been captured 

2631
02:14:57,600 --> 02:15:03,560
in France, was free by this time
and he was counter rating still 

2632
02:15:03,560 --> 02:15:05,920
in England, while England is 
rating in Scotland. 

2633
02:15:05,920 --> 02:15:09,640
So we're back to all the rating.
This rating includes a place in 

2634
02:15:09,640 --> 02:15:13,520
England called Cockermouth, 
which I only mentioned because 

2635
02:15:13,520 --> 02:15:16,640
of my aforementioned 9 year old 
sense of humor. 

2636
02:15:17,120 --> 02:15:22,600
Yes, I probably know her. 
In 1388, King Richard the Second

2637
02:15:22,600 --> 02:15:27,240
of England was having troubles 
and they took another shot, 

2638
02:15:27,240 --> 02:15:32,000
meaning the Scots to avenge the 
raid of 1385 that they started. 

2639
02:15:32,080 --> 02:15:35,760
Like we raided your territory, 
you raided us back, we want 

2640
02:15:35,760 --> 02:15:39,120
revenge. 
Wait, they were never mind. 

2641
02:15:39,120 --> 02:15:45,320
So this is when Earl William, 
still second Earl of Douglas, 

2642
02:15:45,480 --> 02:15:49,880
faced Sir Henry AKA Hotspur in 
an actual duel. 

2643
02:15:49,880 --> 02:15:54,120
They fought A1 on one duel with 
Lances, and Douglas wins. 

2644
02:15:54,120 --> 02:15:57,200
He beats Henry and captures his 
pennon, which is his flag. 

2645
02:15:57,200 --> 02:16:01,000
So yes, he captured his flag. 
Supposedly he bragged. 

2646
02:16:01,040 --> 02:16:04,400
He's like William says. 
I'm going to display your flag 

2647
02:16:04,400 --> 02:16:08,000
on my tower so all of Scotland 
can see it, and Hotspur's like 

2648
02:16:08,000 --> 02:16:10,680
you'll never leave north 
Umberland alive with my flag. 

2649
02:16:11,000 --> 02:16:16,160
Well, it's debatable whether 
this is it depends on which. 

2650
02:16:16,840 --> 02:16:19,760
Well, I'll elaborate here. 
Then came a battle that had two 

2651
02:16:19,760 --> 02:16:23,640
great names, The Battle of 
Otterburn, where no otters were 

2652
02:16:23,640 --> 02:16:28,920
actually burned, or the Battle 
of Chevy Chase, where. 

2653
02:16:29,200 --> 02:16:31,600
Where otters were burned. 
Otters were burned at Chevy 

2654
02:16:31,600 --> 02:16:33,160
Chase was involved. 
Now it's the same battle. 

2655
02:16:33,680 --> 02:16:35,639
So Hotspur tries to surprise 
attack. 

2656
02:16:35,680 --> 02:16:38,680
It wasn't very effective, and 
this is where some of the 

2657
02:16:38,680 --> 02:16:41,080
argument that he was a rash 
commander came from, because 

2658
02:16:41,080 --> 02:16:45,240
maybe it wasn't the best idea. 
Archibald the Grimm was one of 

2659
02:16:45,240 --> 02:16:51,639
the leaders of the Douglas 
contingents, and it was a defeat

2660
02:16:51,639 --> 02:16:55,240
for the English. 
Hotspur was captured, but Earl 

2661
02:16:55,240 --> 02:16:58,559
William was killed. 
So it was another one of these 

2662
02:16:58,559 --> 02:17:00,080
kind of Pyrrhic victories. 
So he wins. 

2663
02:17:00,080 --> 02:17:03,520
He doesn't actually get to carry
that flag back. 

2664
02:17:03,520 --> 02:17:07,200
I think the flag actually did go
back, but not with Earl William.

2665
02:17:07,200 --> 02:17:10,280
So it was like he the flag. 
He did lose the flag, but Earl 

2666
02:17:10,280 --> 02:17:13,520
William was killed. 
So yeah, the ransom for Hotspur 

2667
02:17:13,520 --> 02:17:18,719
was so big that this guy named 
Sir John Montgomery Montgomery, 

2668
02:17:18,719 --> 02:17:22,000
not Montgomery Montgomery, built
a whole ass castle with it. 

2669
02:17:22,000 --> 02:17:23,959
It's called Paul Noon Castle and
it's still there. 

2670
02:17:26,080 --> 02:17:27,920
Now let's talk a little bit 
about Archibald the Grim, 

2671
02:17:28,480 --> 02:17:31,959
because what a cool name. 
And he's the going to become the

2672
02:17:31,959 --> 02:17:35,639
third Earl of Douglas after the 
death of William. 

2673
02:17:35,920 --> 02:17:39,120
Well, William had no heirs. 
So Archibald the Grimm takes 

2674
02:17:39,120 --> 02:17:41,520
over. 
Now he's not, this is a little 

2675
02:17:41,520 --> 02:17:45,160
bit of chicanery here because 
there's no obvious heir, but 

2676
02:17:45,160 --> 02:17:47,400
Archibald's the most powerful 
Douglas, so he claims it. 

2677
02:17:47,600 --> 02:17:50,080
This is going to start a bit of 
a pattern that's going to lead 

2678
02:17:50,080 --> 02:17:54,400
to the black dinner of well, the
Douglas lands are so big and 

2679
02:17:54,400 --> 02:17:57,600
powerful and occasionally 
there's going to be fights over 

2680
02:17:57,600 --> 02:18:01,559
who inherits them. 
And that's going to be pretty 

2681
02:18:01,559 --> 02:18:04,639
much the state of the fairs for 
the rest of this episode, which 

2682
02:18:04,639 --> 02:18:07,760
is not a whole. 
We've got 5 pages of our 31 page

2683
02:18:07,760 --> 02:18:09,160
document left. 
So we're getting, we're getting 

2684
02:18:09,160 --> 02:18:11,440
near the end now. 
Archibald actually escaped from 

2685
02:18:11,440 --> 02:18:13,959
prison in France. 
We said he was in prison, but I 

2686
02:18:13,959 --> 02:18:16,840
didn't tell you how he got out. 
He did it by pretending to be 

2687
02:18:16,840 --> 02:18:19,719
someone lesser. 
He had he and a buddy like 

2688
02:18:19,719 --> 02:18:22,680
staged a prison fight. 
We've seen this in so many 

2689
02:18:22,680 --> 02:18:24,840
movies where two prisoners get 
into a fight and they use it as 

2690
02:18:24,840 --> 02:18:27,840
an excuse to do something. 
In this case, they used it as a 

2691
02:18:27,840 --> 02:18:29,959
way to make him look like he was
a nobody. 

2692
02:18:30,440 --> 02:18:32,799
Like he, he, he was captured. 
He had this great armor. 

2693
02:18:32,799 --> 02:18:34,080
And they were like, wow, look at
that armor. 

2694
02:18:34,080 --> 02:18:36,799
And they took it from him and, 
and sold it and, but, but they 

2695
02:18:36,799 --> 02:18:38,920
kind of forgot who he was 
because he'd been in prison for 

2696
02:18:38,920 --> 02:18:40,280
a while. 
So he pretended to be kind of a 

2697
02:18:40,280 --> 02:18:42,480
nobody and was let out for 40 
lbs. 

2698
02:18:42,719 --> 02:18:46,799
Remember, David was ransomed for
100,000 pounds, 40 lbs. 

2699
02:18:46,799 --> 02:18:50,160
That's it. 40 bucks. 
Well, not bucks, but that was 

2700
02:18:50,160 --> 02:18:52,080
worth a lot of money then. 
But it's still kind of like, 

2701
02:18:52,280 --> 02:18:54,000
that's tiny. 
So yeah, this could have been a 

2702
02:18:54,000 --> 02:18:59,520
huge amount of money for Edward 
the Black Prince, another guy 

2703
02:18:59,520 --> 02:19:01,080
with the nickname Black. 
This was Edward the Black 

2704
02:19:01,080 --> 02:19:05,480
Prince, son of Edward the Third,
a very capable military leader. 

2705
02:19:05,799 --> 02:19:09,400
Anyway, he's not a big part of 
the story, but he's in this 

2706
02:19:09,400 --> 02:19:11,799
little spot. 
So Edward the Black Prince was 

2707
02:19:11,799 --> 02:19:17,959
deprived of a massive ransom by 
this conniving of Archibald, who

2708
02:19:17,959 --> 02:19:19,600
became the third Earl of 
Douglas. 

2709
02:19:19,959 --> 02:19:23,080
Now this of course, is setting 
up, like I said, our main 

2710
02:19:23,080 --> 02:19:26,400
course, which is a black dinner.
And that main course is a black 

2711
02:19:26,400 --> 02:19:28,400
bull's head. 
Yes, it is. 

2712
02:19:29,160 --> 02:19:34,400
Robert the Second dies in 1390, 
aged 74. 

2713
02:19:34,799 --> 02:19:36,320
So he actually lasted quite a 
long time. 

2714
02:19:36,320 --> 02:19:39,080
He lived to a ripe old age. 
That's older than a lot of these

2715
02:19:39,080 --> 02:19:41,240
folks make it too. 
David only made it to 46. 

2716
02:19:41,440 --> 02:19:44,680
Robert Bruce only made it to 55.
There's some evidence that his 

2717
02:19:44,680 --> 02:19:48,840
sons, Robert the second, who was
also, you know, his, his, his 

2718
02:19:48,840 --> 02:19:51,200
family still had the stewardship
and the kingship. 

2719
02:19:51,200 --> 02:19:54,160
So there's a lot of power there.
And some of his sons, there's 

2720
02:19:54,160 --> 02:19:56,200
some evidence they started to 
usurp some of his authority. 

2721
02:19:56,680 --> 02:19:58,800
Despite all this, he reigned for
19 years was pretty good. 

2722
02:19:58,800 --> 02:20:01,480
One of his sons was nicknamed 
the Wolf of Bedknock. 

2723
02:20:02,360 --> 02:20:04,200
Pretty cool. 
The other thing about bastards 

2724
02:20:04,200 --> 02:20:06,440
that is in that's relevant here 
is they all had the last name 

2725
02:20:06,440 --> 02:20:08,320
Stewart. 
All his 12 bastards were. 

2726
02:20:09,000 --> 02:20:10,720
Blank Stewart. 
So that's another interesting 

2727
02:20:10,720 --> 02:20:11,960
difference. 
They weren't like, I don't know,

2728
02:20:11,960 --> 02:20:13,600
what would you call if it had 
OS? 

2729
02:20:13,640 --> 02:20:15,560
They wouldn't be like Heather or
Hill or something like that. 

2730
02:20:15,560 --> 02:20:16,960
What's the Scottish like last 
name? 

2731
02:20:16,960 --> 02:20:20,160
Moore, Locke. 
It'd probably be William or 

2732
02:20:20,160 --> 02:20:21,840
James. 
William. 

2733
02:20:21,840 --> 02:20:23,800
William. 
William. 

2734
02:20:23,800 --> 02:20:24,720
James. 
James James. 

2735
02:20:24,720 --> 02:20:25,880
Oh my God. 
No. 

2736
02:20:26,120 --> 02:20:27,440
No at all. 
A good thing Sean wasn't in 

2737
02:20:27,440 --> 02:20:32,160
charge of the names. 
So Robert was succeeded by his 

2738
02:20:32,160 --> 02:20:35,640
son, Jon Stewart. 
But John's, like, I don't want 

2739
02:20:35,640 --> 02:20:37,880
to be John. 
John Balliol sucked. 

2740
02:20:37,880 --> 02:20:39,040
I don't want to be associated 
with him. 

2741
02:20:39,040 --> 02:20:40,440
So what? 
Am I going to change my name to 

2742
02:20:41,200 --> 02:20:44,080
Robert, even though he already 
had a brother named Robert? 

2743
02:20:44,080 --> 02:20:45,800
So they're just Robert and 
another brother. 

2744
02:20:45,800 --> 02:20:47,400
It's like this hack on thing all
over again. 

2745
02:20:47,400 --> 02:20:50,080
You got a king hack on, uncle, 
hack on, son, hack on. 

2746
02:20:50,400 --> 02:20:51,280
Yeah. 
And of course, there's going to 

2747
02:20:51,280 --> 02:20:55,960
be another son Robert, too. 
Now, Robert the Third wasn't 

2748
02:20:56,120 --> 02:20:59,400
healthy, though. 
He inherited, but just like his 

2749
02:20:59,400 --> 02:21:02,880
grandmother Marjorie Bruce, he 
fell from a horse. 

2750
02:21:02,880 --> 02:21:05,840
He didn't die like she did, but 
he was permanently injured by 

2751
02:21:05,840 --> 02:21:08,400
it. 
And he was not a very good ruler

2752
02:21:08,400 --> 02:21:09,880
either. 
Not a strong ruler. 

2753
02:21:09,880 --> 02:21:13,720
So by the combination of his 
infirmity and his bad politics, 

2754
02:21:13,920 --> 02:21:17,400
his authority was limited and 
somewhat shared with his son and

2755
02:21:17,400 --> 02:21:21,120
heir, another David. 
Archibald the Grim was more 

2756
02:21:21,120 --> 02:21:23,560
powerful than the king. 
The Douglas more powerful than 

2757
02:21:23,560 --> 02:21:27,720
the king is going. 
It is and was a common thing, in

2758
02:21:27,720 --> 02:21:30,160
fact. 
And the guy named Archibald more

2759
02:21:30,160 --> 02:21:34,280
powerful than the king happened 
a few times because Archibald is

2760
02:21:34,280 --> 02:21:36,200
going to be succeeded by 
Archibald, who's going to be 

2761
02:21:36,200 --> 02:21:40,680
succeeded by Archibald. 
This is when things get very red

2762
02:21:40,680 --> 02:21:42,920
and Black Douglas and the 
families really start to be 

2763
02:21:42,920 --> 02:21:45,800
defined as halves and start to 
fight against each other more 

2764
02:21:45,800 --> 02:21:49,360
and more. 
The Red Douglas power was 

2765
02:21:49,360 --> 02:21:53,880
increased by Robert the 3rd to 
counterbalance the Black Douglas

2766
02:21:53,880 --> 02:21:56,440
power. 
He also married his daughter 

2767
02:21:56,480 --> 02:22:00,160
Mary to George Douglas, the guy 
who basically founded the Red 

2768
02:22:00,160 --> 02:22:02,480
Douglases, the the ones who 
ruled the Angus lands rather 

2769
02:22:02,480 --> 02:22:05,400
than the Douglas lands. 
Another daughter of the Flower 

2770
02:22:05,400 --> 02:22:08,160
of Chivalry was married to 
another James Douglas at this 

2771
02:22:08,160 --> 02:22:11,880
time to shore it all up. 
This is another Red Douglas, so 

2772
02:22:11,880 --> 02:22:15,160
he died in 1400. 
The Archibald the Grim that is, 

2773
02:22:15,520 --> 02:22:18,120
but was able to kept keep this 
this strong power by passing it 

2774
02:22:18,120 --> 02:22:23,280
on to Archibald the 4th 4th Earl
that is next we talk about 

2775
02:22:23,320 --> 02:22:26,080
Robert the kinslayer. 
That's my nickname for him. 

2776
02:22:26,080 --> 02:22:28,960
And you'll very quickly say why 
term kinslaying? 

2777
02:22:28,960 --> 02:22:30,400
I don't think they use that in 
Scotland. 

2778
02:22:30,400 --> 02:22:32,920
If they did, I never heard it. 
So it's just but it's it really 

2779
02:22:32,920 --> 02:22:37,280
explains things. 
This Prince David died in 14 O2 

2780
02:22:37,400 --> 02:22:40,240
probably killed by this Robert 
the kinslayer, his uncle Robert 

2781
02:22:40,240 --> 02:22:43,200
the the Robert who had his name 
taken by his older brother who 

2782
02:22:43,200 --> 02:22:47,400
changed his name to Robert. 
So he was maybe he wasn't happy 

2783
02:22:47,400 --> 02:22:49,000
about his name being stolen. 
I don't know. 

2784
02:22:50,800 --> 02:22:53,520
The other brother Robert also 
died young. 

2785
02:22:53,520 --> 02:22:58,480
So David and his younger brother
Robert were both died and that 

2786
02:22:58,480 --> 02:23:01,400
made James the heir. 
Yeah James right. 

2787
02:23:01,720 --> 02:23:05,360
James would eventually James 
became James the 1st, but Robert

2788
02:23:05,360 --> 02:23:08,840
the kinslayer was his Regent. 
So and Robert the third dies in 

2789
02:23:08,840 --> 02:23:11,560
14 O 6. 
So what does Robert kingslayer 

2790
02:23:11,560 --> 02:23:15,160
do? 
He's like, I'm just going to 

2791
02:23:15,160 --> 02:23:18,960
keep ruling as the region. 
I'm not going to This James 

2792
02:23:19,040 --> 02:23:22,600
doesn't matter. 
And indeed, James was raised in 

2793
02:23:22,600 --> 02:23:26,400
France for his safety. 
He was almost abducted by Earl 

2794
02:23:26,400 --> 02:23:28,800
Archibald the 4th. 
His men came for him, but he 

2795
02:23:28,800 --> 02:23:34,000
escaped. 
He instead was abducted by the 

2796
02:23:34,000 --> 02:23:36,280
English. 
He escaped captivity from his 

2797
02:23:36,280 --> 02:23:40,640
Scots allies or erstwhile allies
or opponents, whatever other 

2798
02:23:40,640 --> 02:23:43,880
Scots to only be captured by the
English and delivered by the 

2799
02:23:43,880 --> 02:23:49,360
king or to the king who was now 
Henry the fourth son of that 

2800
02:23:49,360 --> 02:23:51,360
same John of God who keeps 
coming into the store. 

2801
02:23:51,360 --> 02:23:52,800
So again, these are the 
descendants. 

2802
02:23:52,800 --> 02:23:55,120
These are the the Lancastrians 
in this Yorks eventually. 

2803
02:23:56,320 --> 02:23:59,320
Now this is a really good 
captivity as far as captivities 

2804
02:23:59,320 --> 02:24:01,600
go. 
He was given a great education, 

2805
02:24:01,600 --> 02:24:03,840
like a lot of Royals are. 
Even though he's in captivity. 

2806
02:24:04,520 --> 02:24:07,520
They brought him on campaign. 
Henry the fifth took him on 

2807
02:24:07,520 --> 02:24:10,360
campaign. 
Henry the fifth was a great 

2808
02:24:10,360 --> 02:24:12,040
military leader. 
He had a lot of success in 

2809
02:24:12,040 --> 02:24:16,680
France, but this is a problem 
because who is who are the 

2810
02:24:16,680 --> 02:24:19,680
English campaigning against in 
France when they're fighting 

2811
02:24:19,680 --> 02:24:26,000
against the French, the Scots? 
So the king of Scotland in 

2812
02:24:26,000 --> 02:24:29,760
captivity is bringing brought on
campaign against his own people.

2813
02:24:30,240 --> 02:24:32,960
So he learned a lot about 
military, but his reputation 

2814
02:24:32,960 --> 02:24:36,960
wasn't great because he was 
constantly on the side of the 

2815
02:24:36,960 --> 02:24:41,200
English as they fought against 
Scottish forces in France. 

2816
02:24:41,400 --> 02:24:44,680
Think Neon as a ward of 
Winterfell. 

2817
02:24:45,440 --> 02:24:47,040
The Greyjoy didn't trust him 
when he came back. 

2818
02:24:47,040 --> 02:24:48,360
Like Nah. 
You were raised as a wolf. 

2819
02:24:48,360 --> 02:24:50,200
You're not you. 
We were raised in our culture, 

2820
02:24:50,440 --> 02:24:51,960
you were raised in theirs. 
You're not one of us. 

2821
02:24:52,040 --> 02:24:57,160
You have the name, but not the, 
not the, not the education, not 

2822
02:24:57,160 --> 02:24:58,040
the life. 
You don't. 

2823
02:24:58,040 --> 02:25:00,480
You're not one of us. 
Similar vibe here. 

2824
02:25:01,160 --> 02:25:03,200
Not the culture. 
Not the yeah, very much. 

2825
02:25:03,200 --> 02:25:05,880
You're are, you're, are you more
French or English than you are 

2826
02:25:05,880 --> 02:25:08,960
Scottish? 
Not French, Scottish English. 

2827
02:25:09,200 --> 02:25:13,400
So he'd also been imprisoned 
alongside Murdoch Stewart, which

2828
02:25:13,400 --> 02:25:16,880
was Robert the Kinslayer's sons.
So even though Robert the 

2829
02:25:16,880 --> 02:25:21,160
Kinslayer wanted to rule through
James, James was imprisoned 

2830
02:25:21,160 --> 02:25:23,920
alongside Murdoch's Murdoch, who
was Robert's son. 

2831
02:25:24,440 --> 02:25:28,240
Now Robert the Kinslayer 
arranges the release of his son 

2832
02:25:28,240 --> 02:25:31,440
Murdoch by trading him for 
Hotspur's son, who had also been

2833
02:25:31,440 --> 02:25:33,040
captured. 
Hotspur was dead by this time. 

2834
02:25:33,760 --> 02:25:37,960
This is 10 years later, but the 
Kinslayer just refused to 

2835
02:25:37,960 --> 02:25:40,600
negotiate at all for James the 
first release. 

2836
02:25:40,600 --> 02:25:43,480
He just didn't want James out of
prison because he wanted to keep

2837
02:25:43,480 --> 02:25:47,440
ruling. 
So Robert does that. 

2838
02:25:47,440 --> 02:25:52,680
Robert the Kinslayer continues 
to rule and and claim more power

2839
02:25:52,680 --> 02:25:55,280
and just bring more power to 
himself and gets it all going. 

2840
02:25:55,680 --> 02:25:59,640
At one point he forces a claim 
on a place called Ross, which is

2841
02:25:59,640 --> 02:26:02,560
a territory in Scotland, tries 
to give it to his second son, 

2842
02:26:03,000 --> 02:26:06,040
which ends in the Battle of 
Harlow, which was nicknamed Red 

2843
02:26:06,040 --> 02:26:08,120
Harlow because of how bloody it 
was. 

2844
02:26:08,280 --> 02:26:11,520
This was against a guy called 
Lord of the Isles, a very 

2845
02:26:11,520 --> 02:26:13,240
familiar name from A Song of Ice
and Fire. 

2846
02:26:13,400 --> 02:26:15,880
The Lord of the Isles is a 
constant thorn in the side of 

2847
02:26:15,880 --> 02:26:19,160
many Scottish monarchs because 
their territory was so far 

2848
02:26:19,160 --> 02:26:21,840
north, a lot of it was those 
same islands that used to be 

2849
02:26:21,840 --> 02:26:24,480
ruled by the north. 
So it was kind of hard to exert 

2850
02:26:24,480 --> 02:26:26,960
authority over them because 
they're just like, like hundreds

2851
02:26:26,960 --> 02:26:30,200
of little 900 Scottish Isles, 
900. 

2852
02:26:30,400 --> 02:26:32,760
So like, yeah, it's hard to like
collect taxes from every 

2853
02:26:32,760 --> 02:26:34,360
individual. 
Not people don't live on all of 

2854
02:26:34,360 --> 02:26:36,640
them. 
But still, it's hard to exert 

2855
02:26:36,640 --> 02:26:42,040
power over that. 
So in 1420, the kinslayer just 

2856
02:26:42,040 --> 02:26:44,240
dies. 
He's up, heat up and dies not of

2857
02:26:44,440 --> 02:26:47,760
anything strange. 
He was 80, so it was his time, I

2858
02:26:47,760 --> 02:26:50,320
guess. 
But Murdoch and his sons, the 

2859
02:26:50,320 --> 02:26:54,160
same Murdoch that was let 
negotiated for release by Robert

2860
02:26:54,640 --> 02:26:58,680
was later found guilty of 
treason along with his sons and 

2861
02:26:58,680 --> 02:27:00,800
they were executed. 
This line of the Stewarts was 

2862
02:27:00,800 --> 02:27:05,440
called the Albany Stewarts and 
they were very powerful and they

2863
02:27:05,440 --> 02:27:11,200
were basically pushed aside now.
And all that did was open up 

2864
02:27:11,200 --> 02:27:13,440
more power for the Douglass. 
So it's like you move take power

2865
02:27:13,440 --> 02:27:15,320
from the Stewarts. 
It goes back to the Douglass. 

2866
02:27:15,320 --> 02:27:18,040
It's like they can't seem to 
distribute power anywhere else 

2867
02:27:18,040 --> 02:27:20,480
but Stewart and Douglass even 
get rid of 1 Stewart and Douglas

2868
02:27:20,480 --> 02:27:21,560
takes it. 
Get rid of a Douglass, the 

2869
02:27:21,560 --> 02:27:23,960
different Douglass takes it. 
It just keeps happening. 

2870
02:27:24,240 --> 02:27:27,760
So now we have James and the 
Black Douglas. 

2871
02:27:27,760 --> 02:27:29,720
Not to be confused with James 
and the Giant Peach. 

2872
02:27:30,120 --> 02:27:33,320
The fall of the Albany Stewarts 
did indeed make Archibald 

2873
02:27:33,320 --> 02:27:37,040
Douglas, 4th Earl, the most 
powerful man in Scotland, even 

2874
02:27:37,040 --> 02:27:39,160
more powerful than he had been. 
So arguably this made the 

2875
02:27:39,160 --> 02:27:42,360
problem worse. 
But he actually shored this up 

2876
02:27:42,360 --> 02:27:43,920
by working towards James's 
release. 

2877
02:27:43,920 --> 02:27:46,800
He actually wanted James to get 
out, and he was helping do this 

2878
02:27:46,800 --> 02:27:49,840
when Robert Kinsler was still in
charge, because he wanted to be 

2879
02:27:49,840 --> 02:27:51,120
rewarded. 
He could see what's happening. 

2880
02:27:51,120 --> 02:27:54,840
He's like this Robert Stewart is
keeping our king imprisoned 

2881
02:27:54,840 --> 02:27:58,360
rather than me, but he didn't 
make an ideological issue out of

2882
02:27:58,360 --> 02:28:00,240
it. 
He's like opportunity. 

2883
02:28:00,240 --> 02:28:03,560
Yes, if I free the king, I can 
be second in command to get 

2884
02:28:03,560 --> 02:28:06,320
rewards, which means more lands 
and titles and all that. 

2885
02:28:06,400 --> 02:28:10,040
In 1424, James married Joan 
Beaufort. 

2886
02:28:10,800 --> 02:28:14,320
Yes, those Beaufort's, the same 
ones that were all over the Wars

2887
02:28:14,320 --> 02:28:17,720
of the Roses. 
And then he was released for 

2888
02:28:17,720 --> 02:28:22,280
ransom, of course, after 18 
years in prison or in sort of 

2889
02:28:22,520 --> 02:28:24,880
prison, just in captivity, house
arrest, whatever you want to 

2890
02:28:24,880 --> 02:28:26,160
call it. 
He wasn't behind bars. 

2891
02:28:27,280 --> 02:28:31,320
This is the time of Henry the 
6th, which is our Henry Baylor. 

2892
02:28:31,360 --> 02:28:36,000
But remember, Henry Baylor was a
baby when he took the throne. 

2893
02:28:36,000 --> 02:28:37,360
So he didn't really take the 
throne. 

2894
02:28:37,360 --> 02:28:38,880
He was ruled by the nobles 
around him. 

2895
02:28:38,880 --> 02:28:42,680
And those nobles were like, it's
time to do away with us having 

2896
02:28:42,680 --> 02:28:45,280
this Scottish king on our we, we
got too much going on. 

2897
02:28:45,520 --> 02:28:49,760
We also want that money. 
So he was finally let out in 

2898
02:28:49,760 --> 02:28:51,680
1424. 
When he's released, he 

2899
02:28:51,680 --> 02:28:55,480
immediately starts undermining 
Black Douglas Estates through 

2900
02:28:55,480 --> 02:28:58,200
legalese. 
He starts looking up old 

2901
02:28:58,200 --> 02:29:01,200
charters and saying hey, this, 
this sentence is wrong. 

2902
02:29:01,720 --> 02:29:04,800
It makes your all claim invalid.
So this is how he's undermining 

2903
02:29:04,800 --> 02:29:08,720
the black Douglass doesn't go 
great, but it it's pretty 

2904
02:29:08,720 --> 02:29:10,760
effective. 
And the reason it's effective is

2905
02:29:10,760 --> 02:29:12,360
because the 100 years war is 
still going on. 

2906
02:29:12,360 --> 02:29:16,840
And Archibald, 4th Earl Douglas,
most powerful Lord in Scotland, 

2907
02:29:17,120 --> 02:29:19,760
would normally be able to like 
push back against these legal 

2908
02:29:19,760 --> 02:29:22,160
claims. 
But he's in France fighting the 

2909
02:29:22,160 --> 02:29:25,960
100 years War as a commander, of
course, as a commander, a losing

2910
02:29:25,960 --> 02:29:29,680
commander, he loses the battle 
of Vernule Vernuh. 

2911
02:29:29,680 --> 02:29:33,080
I don't know how to say it. 
He was killed there and his son 

2912
02:29:33,720 --> 02:29:37,440
Archibald inherits. 
So we've got Archibald 

2913
02:29:37,440 --> 02:29:39,600
inheriting from Archibald. 
But let's not forget the first 

2914
02:29:39,600 --> 02:29:42,400
Archibald wasn't the son of the 
second Archibald. 

2915
02:29:42,640 --> 02:29:46,280
So that the the Douglas land 
shift amongst cousins. 

2916
02:29:46,280 --> 02:29:49,280
And again, this is setting up 
the pattern that leads to the 

2917
02:29:49,280 --> 02:29:52,360
black dinner where they don't 
always have to just pass it 

2918
02:29:52,360 --> 02:29:55,160
down. 
They can kill each other or push

2919
02:29:55,160 --> 02:29:57,920
each other aside to claim those 
very powerful lands, lands that 

2920
02:29:57,920 --> 02:29:59,800
are getting increasingly more 
powerful. 

2921
02:29:59,800 --> 02:30:02,840
This title is getting more and 
more valuable with every passing

2922
02:30:02,840 --> 02:30:05,120
year. 
In 1427, James the 1st just 

2923
02:30:05,120 --> 02:30:08,000
invites a bunch of Lords to 
parley and just has a bunch of 

2924
02:30:08,000 --> 02:30:10,240
them killed or in prison, 
including that Lord of the 

2925
02:30:10,240 --> 02:30:13,640
Isles. 
So like, you can see all this 

2926
02:30:13,640 --> 02:30:15,680
time, Sean, we've been talking 
about how there's pretty good 

2927
02:30:15,680 --> 02:30:17,200
behavior. 
You got people get let out of 

2928
02:30:17,200 --> 02:30:18,720
prison and they're just going 
right back. 

2929
02:30:18,720 --> 02:30:21,600
You got nobles not being 
executed when it would seem to 

2930
02:30:21,600 --> 02:30:24,400
be politically expedient. 
Yet this guy is kind of taking 

2931
02:30:24,400 --> 02:30:26,360
advantage of that. 
He's like, well, they're they're

2932
02:30:26,360 --> 02:30:29,400
just, they're willing to believe
that I'm going to give them safe

2933
02:30:29,400 --> 02:30:30,760
passes. 
Then he doesn't. 

2934
02:30:30,840 --> 02:30:34,480
So it's like things are 
backsliding in terms of culture.

2935
02:30:34,480 --> 02:30:36,480
You know, arguably it's still 
pretty bad. 

2936
02:30:36,480 --> 02:30:38,560
They're all fighting over power,
which is not the most, you know,

2937
02:30:38,560 --> 02:30:41,000
civilized thing to do, but you 
can see there was some semblance

2938
02:30:41,000 --> 02:30:45,880
of honor and agreements and 
truces, but this seems to be 

2939
02:30:45,880 --> 02:30:47,640
falling. 
Apart that's one thing one 

2940
02:30:47,640 --> 02:30:52,080
reason to follow rules to to 
have morality or whatever is 

2941
02:30:52,080 --> 02:30:55,320
it's about precedent setting. 
It's like I don't want someone 

2942
02:30:55,320 --> 02:30:57,640
else to do this to me, so I'm 
not going to do it to anyone 

2943
02:30:57,640 --> 02:30:59,200
else. 
Agree agree right. 

2944
02:30:59,360 --> 02:31:00,600
You won't kill me. 
I won't kill you. 

2945
02:31:00,600 --> 02:31:01,720
We're all going to not kill each
other. 

2946
02:31:01,720 --> 02:31:04,240
Cool got it. 
That's the that's the the rule 

2947
02:31:04,240 --> 02:31:06,480
now. 
But once someone starts breaking

2948
02:31:06,480 --> 02:31:10,560
a rule and it pays off well, now
other people were motivated to 

2949
02:31:10,560 --> 02:31:12,600
do it and eventually it'll come 
around and no one will be safe 

2950
02:31:12,600 --> 02:31:15,280
anymore. 
But but it it that seems to be 

2951
02:31:15,480 --> 02:31:18,760
and and I can't help but wonder 
if one reason for this might 

2952
02:31:18,760 --> 02:31:22,080
have been Sure, there's a number
of reasons, but because of the 

2953
02:31:22,080 --> 02:31:26,040
100 years war and also the black
plague was like in the the same 

2954
02:31:26,320 --> 02:31:29,520
era, I wonder if life literally 
just had less value. 

2955
02:31:29,520 --> 02:31:32,800
People were just more accustomed
to death, less mood by it. 

2956
02:31:32,800 --> 02:31:36,440
It was more common. 
I, I, it seems so odd to me that

2957
02:31:36,960 --> 02:31:39,080
all these killings started 
happening. 

2958
02:31:40,440 --> 02:31:43,360
Just trying to find some way in 
my mind to understand what why 

2959
02:31:43,360 --> 02:31:45,920
it wasn't happening before and 
it stopped happening later, but 

2960
02:31:45,920 --> 02:31:47,400
it happened a whole lot in this 
little era. 

2961
02:31:47,400 --> 02:31:48,800
Here, Yeah. 
Meanwhile, like it just started 

2962
02:31:48,800 --> 02:31:51,040
to fall apart in England, too, 
like during the 100 years, the 

2963
02:31:51,040 --> 02:31:54,960
wars, the Roses, like Richard 
the Third started to like or 

2964
02:31:55,440 --> 02:31:58,560
rumor or things that were pinned
on him, depending on your view. 

2965
02:31:59,440 --> 02:32:01,080
The things were happening, 
whether Richard did them or not.

2966
02:32:01,080 --> 02:32:04,360
People were getting murdered, 
prince's disappearing, usurping,

2967
02:32:04,360 --> 02:32:06,400
kings dying in prison, all sorts
of stuff that hadn't been 

2968
02:32:06,400 --> 02:32:08,560
happened like they they had. 
They had gone through a time 

2969
02:32:08,560 --> 02:32:11,360
where that wasn't happening. 
It seemed to be like, ostensibly

2970
02:32:11,360 --> 02:32:13,360
they wanted to be following the 
rules, right? 

2971
02:32:13,440 --> 02:32:18,440
Yeah, it wasn't as blatant open 
murder as what started happening

2972
02:32:18,440 --> 02:32:20,160
in the Scotland. 
Absolutely. 

2973
02:32:20,800 --> 02:32:22,960
There's also some like 
prophecies around this time, 

2974
02:32:22,960 --> 02:32:26,880
like 1370 is when prophecy 
started to be more important in 

2975
02:32:26,880 --> 02:32:30,680
England or in Scotland. 
And it's like this is, it's an 

2976
02:32:30,800 --> 02:32:34,240
interesting thing I read shared 
to me by Minotaur that Macbeth 

2977
02:32:34,240 --> 02:32:36,440
is not a Scottish play. 
It's about Scotland. 

2978
02:32:36,440 --> 02:32:38,280
It's about Scottish characters, 
but it was written by the 

2979
02:32:38,320 --> 02:32:39,920
English. 
It's Shakespeare wrote that he 

2980
02:32:39,920 --> 02:32:41,680
was an Englishman, not a 
Scotsman, right? 

2981
02:32:42,520 --> 02:32:46,960
And this is part of so in the 
same way that Macbeth was 

2982
02:32:46,960 --> 02:32:51,080
popularized by England, we've 
got George R Martin and HBO 

2983
02:32:51,080 --> 02:32:53,920
popularizing the black dinner 
much later much, you know, kind 

2984
02:32:53,920 --> 02:32:59,040
of after the fact. 
And Macbeth is a story about 

2985
02:32:59,040 --> 02:33:00,920
prophecy. 
Like Macbeth has a he has a 

2986
02:33:00,920 --> 02:33:03,520
prophecy and it's like there's 
all this fulfilling and conflict

2987
02:33:03,520 --> 02:33:05,240
around that prophecy and the 
deaths and all this other 

2988
02:33:05,240 --> 02:33:07,520
business. 
There were prophecies around 

2989
02:33:07,520 --> 02:33:10,400
James's death too. 
So that's kind of neat that 

2990
02:33:10,800 --> 02:33:12,760
well, well, James is going to 
die. 

2991
02:33:12,760 --> 02:33:17,280
Of course he dies but, and some 
of these maybe were post mortem,

2992
02:33:17,280 --> 02:33:18,960
some of them but maybe not. 
I don't know. 

2993
02:33:19,800 --> 02:33:22,760
Probably they were written after
the fact, but they're written as

2994
02:33:22,760 --> 02:33:24,880
if they didn't. 
That's usually how it happens. 

2995
02:33:24,880 --> 02:33:27,760
But anyway, it's neat to see 
that that was part of the story.

2996
02:33:28,400 --> 02:33:30,840
By the way, they're so setting 
themselves up for failure 

2997
02:33:30,840 --> 02:33:35,240
because if there's some prophecy
about James dying, 40 different 

2998
02:33:35,240 --> 02:33:39,760
people like, Oh no. 
Yep, that's right. 

2999
02:33:39,760 --> 02:33:42,640
So I, I see this, this like 
going real briefly back to this 

3000
02:33:42,640 --> 02:33:44,840
conquest of the aisles. 
It's sort of like James trying 

3001
02:33:44,840 --> 02:33:47,120
to conquer the Free Folk. 
It's like you can't do that. 

3002
02:33:47,120 --> 02:33:49,080
They, they can't be, they, they 
won't kneel. 

3003
02:33:49,080 --> 02:33:50,280
I mean, that's just not going to
happen. 

3004
02:33:50,280 --> 02:33:51,640
So yeah, it didn't, it didn't 
work so well. 

3005
02:33:52,240 --> 02:33:56,240
Here we have the next section, 
the changing of the James, or 

3006
02:33:56,240 --> 02:33:58,200
the James of Thrones maybe 
should have been what I called 

3007
02:33:58,200 --> 02:33:59,640
it anyway. 
His political problems. 

3008
02:34:00,440 --> 02:34:02,880
They might have said the reason 
James was such a jerk in the way

3009
02:34:02,880 --> 02:34:05,680
he was breaking these codes was 
because he was raised by the 

3010
02:34:05,680 --> 02:34:07,400
English. 
That's not if he is a proper 

3011
02:34:07,400 --> 02:34:09,440
Scotsman, he wouldn't have done 
all this anyway. 

3012
02:34:09,440 --> 02:34:13,120
An assassination plot was 
launched against him because of 

3013
02:34:13,120 --> 02:34:17,720
his policies and other stuff. 
His own Chamberlain, a different

3014
02:34:17,720 --> 02:34:22,920
Robert Stewart, assisted 30 men 
in getting inside the castle. 

3015
02:34:23,880 --> 02:34:26,960
James found out while it was 
happening and tries to flee 

3016
02:34:26,960 --> 02:34:30,120
through a secret tunnel. 
Catherine Douglas, lady in 

3017
02:34:30,120 --> 02:34:32,960
waiting to the Queen. 
I've got a Douglas and a Stewart

3018
02:34:32,960 --> 02:34:36,760
just on the inside here. 1's 
A1's a heel, one's a hero, and 

3019
02:34:36,760 --> 02:34:40,640
Catherine's the hero. 
She earned the nickname Bar Last

3020
02:34:40,640 --> 02:34:44,320
not because she served drinks at
a bar, because she behaved like 

3021
02:34:44,320 --> 02:34:45,840
a bar. 
And again, not like a bar that 

3022
02:34:45,840 --> 02:34:48,680
serves drinks, but like an 
actual wooden bar. 

3023
02:34:48,680 --> 02:34:51,560
You know, we'll see medieval 
shows and movies where you bar 

3024
02:34:51,560 --> 02:34:54,280
the door. 
Well, she didn't have a bar, so 

3025
02:34:54,280 --> 02:34:56,840
she used her arm. 
She put her arm in the bar. 

3026
02:34:57,000 --> 02:34:58,680
They did eventually break her 
arm. 

3027
02:34:59,480 --> 02:35:02,520
She survived, but she's heroic 
for that action. 

3028
02:35:02,800 --> 02:35:04,640
It didn't work. 
This little anecdote here is so 

3029
02:35:04,640 --> 02:35:06,800
crazy to me. 
It's totally the makings of a 

3030
02:35:07,360 --> 02:35:09,480
right, I don't know, an episode 
of Game of Thrones or something.

3031
02:35:09,640 --> 02:35:11,760
It reminds me of Alice Anne was 
Queen. 

3032
02:35:11,760 --> 02:35:17,680
Alice Anne was set upon by some 
assassins at Maiden Pool and one

3033
02:35:17,680 --> 02:35:21,240
of her ladies in waiting died 
defending her. 

3034
02:35:21,240 --> 02:35:23,640
Another one was wounded and 
survive but survive. 

3035
02:35:23,640 --> 02:35:24,880
So it's a little similar to 
that. 

3036
02:35:25,560 --> 02:35:27,760
Unfortunately, Alice and 
survived. 

3037
02:35:27,880 --> 02:35:30,000
Well, that's not unfortunate. 
Alice and survived, fortunately.

3038
02:35:30,000 --> 02:35:33,440
Unfortunately, Catherine 
Barlass's maneuver didn't work 

3039
02:35:33,560 --> 02:35:36,960
for the silliest reason. 
James was going to flee through 

3040
02:35:36,960 --> 02:35:41,720
the secret tunnel, but it had 
been closed off because of 

3041
02:35:41,720 --> 02:35:44,680
tennis. 
The tennis balls kept going into

3042
02:35:44,680 --> 02:35:46,680
the tunnel and become they were 
difficult to get. 

3043
02:35:47,160 --> 02:35:51,360
But this tunnel, it's a sewer. 
It's like a underwater water 

3044
02:35:51,560 --> 02:35:55,840
underground waterway. 
And the king like went down in 

3045
02:35:55,840 --> 02:36:00,520
there to escape these sail ants 
and he he hit a dead end and 

3046
02:36:00,520 --> 02:36:03,160
they just killed him, just 
killed the king in a tunnel like

3047
02:36:03,160 --> 02:36:04,120
man. 
Yeah, A. 

3048
02:36:04,640 --> 02:36:06,400
Yeah. 
A tennis ball? 

3049
02:36:06,400 --> 02:36:08,320
Sewer. 
Yep, his heart was also carried 

3050
02:36:08,320 --> 02:36:11,600
to the Holy Land, but it wasn't 
Braveheart and it was apparently

3051
02:36:11,600 --> 02:36:13,160
only for a visit. 
There was no crusade. 

3052
02:36:13,160 --> 02:36:15,720
It was just bring your heart to 
the Holy Land, say you went 

3053
02:36:15,720 --> 02:36:17,200
there and then bring it back and
bury it. 

3054
02:36:17,200 --> 02:36:20,880
And it's just super hearts. 
Yeah, just super heart. 

3055
02:36:20,880 --> 02:36:22,880
Not Braveheart. 
Tennis hearts visit heart, You 

3056
02:36:22,920 --> 02:36:25,760
know, the the wandering heart. 
Lots of hearts wander. 

3057
02:36:25,800 --> 02:36:29,520
Yeah. 
So 6 year old James the Second 

3058
02:36:29,520 --> 02:36:33,200
ascends to the throne with the 
red Douglas sort of taking 

3059
02:36:33,200 --> 02:36:36,880
charge and his mother taking 
charge or trying to or his 

3060
02:36:36,880 --> 02:36:38,520
mother, the he tried to become 
Regent. 

3061
02:36:39,000 --> 02:36:42,720
Now she had remarried to the 
Black Knight of Lorne. 

3062
02:36:42,880 --> 02:36:46,240
She real quick, she was also in 
that keep. 

3063
02:36:46,400 --> 02:36:47,640
Yeah, she was wounded during 
the. 

3064
02:36:48,280 --> 02:36:50,760
And she she escaped, but not 
without injury. 

3065
02:36:50,760 --> 02:36:55,320
But yeah, just adding to the 
excitement around the you know, 

3066
02:36:55,320 --> 02:36:59,400
I, I often you think of kings 
and nobles, all these courtly 

3067
02:36:59,400 --> 02:37:02,720
people, they're just in some 
palace in some throne room with 

3068
02:37:03,160 --> 02:37:07,720
tapestries and wine and grapes. 
But the I just trying to imagine

3069
02:37:07,720 --> 02:37:11,680
him like jumping out the window 
or running into the sewer is 

3070
02:37:11,680 --> 02:37:13,640
such. 
A out of. 

3071
02:37:13,720 --> 02:37:15,520
Stewart's moment? 
I know it's wild. 

3072
02:37:15,520 --> 02:37:19,160
The stories are amazing. 
So she tries to become Regent, 

3073
02:37:19,160 --> 02:37:21,720
she tries to use this as an 
opportunity to become powerful. 

3074
02:37:22,080 --> 02:37:24,440
And again, like I said, she 
remarried to a guy named the 

3075
02:37:24,440 --> 02:37:27,640
Black Knight of Lorne, who was a
descendant of Alexander Stewart,

3076
02:37:27,640 --> 02:37:30,240
the 4th High Stewart who all the
way back when they defeated the 

3077
02:37:30,240 --> 02:37:32,920
Norse, he's a Direct Line 
descendant from that guy. 

3078
02:37:33,280 --> 02:37:35,520
So more Stewart's getting 
involved here. 

3079
02:37:35,680 --> 02:37:39,120
So this was actually incestuous.
But hey, it's OK, they got a 

3080
02:37:39,120 --> 02:37:41,360
papal dispensation because 
everybody knows with the wave of

3081
02:37:41,360 --> 02:37:44,760
his hand, the Pope can just 
remove any possible chance of 

3082
02:37:44,760 --> 02:37:47,000
incest damage, right? 
There's no, there's no genetic 

3083
02:37:47,000 --> 02:37:48,640
liability here. 
The Pope said so. 

3084
02:37:50,120 --> 02:37:52,360
There was also a certain William
Crichton. 

3085
02:37:53,160 --> 02:37:56,880
I don't know if he's related to 
Michael Crichton, the author for

3086
02:37:56,880 --> 02:37:59,400
a few 100 years ahead of that. 
This guy's also trying to win 

3087
02:37:59,400 --> 02:38:04,120
power throughout this, this new 
regime of James the Second here.

3088
02:38:04,640 --> 02:38:09,280
But Robert Stewart confessed to 
his part in the assassination 

3089
02:38:09,840 --> 02:38:12,320
and the truth coming out changed
a lot of things that had a 

3090
02:38:12,320 --> 02:38:14,360
domino effect. 
Queen Joan is kind of pushed 

3091
02:38:14,360 --> 02:38:15,720
aside. 
She's not able to do anything 

3092
02:38:15,720 --> 02:38:17,760
anymore. 
The Black Knight of Lorne is 

3093
02:38:17,760 --> 02:38:20,680
they're they're pushed aside. 
And who becomes protector of the

3094
02:38:20,680 --> 02:38:23,400
realm? 
And Lieutenant General Archibald

3095
02:38:23,400 --> 02:38:27,760
Douglas, 5th Earl of Douglas, 
Martha Archibald back in the 

3096
02:38:27,760 --> 02:38:28,440
game. 
Yeah. 

3097
02:38:28,440 --> 02:38:32,720
Archibald had three children, 
William, then Margaret, called 

3098
02:38:32,720 --> 02:38:35,720
the Fair Lady of Galloway, and 
another, David. 

3099
02:38:36,760 --> 02:38:38,600
Now Archibald was only 
Lieutenant General for two 

3100
02:38:38,600 --> 02:38:40,360
years. 
He had been the Earl for a 

3101
02:38:40,360 --> 02:38:43,880
while, but he died of a fever 
only two years into his 

3102
02:38:44,640 --> 02:38:48,400
protectorship of the realm. 
His son William becomes 6th 

3103
02:38:48,440 --> 02:38:52,880
Earl. 
And when, right after he becomes

3104
02:38:52,880 --> 02:38:56,320
6th Earl, he's invited to a 
meal. 

3105
02:38:56,400 --> 02:39:00,720
A meal, you know, the one that 
you eat later in the day. 

3106
02:39:00,720 --> 02:39:04,240
Not breakfast, not lunch, not 
brunch. 

3107
02:39:05,160 --> 02:39:08,240
What's that final meal called? 
Second lunch. 

3108
02:39:08,400 --> 02:39:11,720
No, not that one. 
No, a little farther. 

3109
02:39:11,760 --> 02:39:13,000
Leonard. 
Leonard. 

3110
02:39:13,000 --> 02:39:14,640
Not Leonard. 
We're getting there. 

3111
02:39:15,120 --> 02:39:18,560
Yeah. 
So dinner, supper, supper. 

3112
02:39:18,560 --> 02:39:21,840
He was invited to supper. 
That's right, at Edinburgh 

3113
02:39:21,840 --> 02:39:25,040
Castle. 
William, 6th Earl. 

3114
02:39:25,040 --> 02:39:26,400
Pretty happy with his new 
position. 

3115
02:39:26,400 --> 02:39:29,600
He's only 16 years old. 
He and his brother were invited,

3116
02:39:29,600 --> 02:39:31,360
his brother the David that we 
just mentioned. 

3117
02:39:31,360 --> 02:39:34,080
So William and David bring their
dudes. 

3118
02:39:34,360 --> 02:39:40,200
They go to the Black Dinner, the
event that brought us here in 

3119
02:39:40,200 --> 02:39:43,280
the 1st place. 
With Archibald the 5th's death, 

3120
02:39:43,800 --> 02:39:49,120
an opportunity came for James 
Douglas to usurp the power that 

3121
02:39:49,120 --> 02:39:51,320
had belonged to his father, 
Archibald. 

3122
02:39:51,320 --> 02:39:55,640
Now this James was the son of 
Archibald the Grim, who was the 

3123
02:39:55,640 --> 02:39:59,400
3rd Earl and the first Archibald
of this group. 

3124
02:39:59,560 --> 02:40:02,800
This is the third Archibald who 
was Archibald the 5th. 

3125
02:40:03,240 --> 02:40:09,720
So he wants the the lands that 
just passed to William to come 

3126
02:40:09,720 --> 02:40:11,560
back to his corner of the 
family. 

3127
02:40:11,960 --> 02:40:15,640
Those are his nephews, his great
nephews, the William and David 

3128
02:40:15,640 --> 02:40:17,160
who were invited to the black 
dinner. 

3129
02:40:17,440 --> 02:40:20,200
So it's a family struggle. 
It's a it's a family in it's 

3130
02:40:20,200 --> 02:40:23,440
infighting for power. 
That same William Crichton guy 

3131
02:40:23,440 --> 02:40:25,880
that I just mentioned, who may 
or may not be related to Michael

3132
02:40:25,880 --> 02:40:29,120
Crichton, who had. 
Become the Royal Chancellor and 

3133
02:40:29,120 --> 02:40:32,560
he was the primary architect 
along with this guy, the 

3134
02:40:32,560 --> 02:40:34,640
Justiciar, Sir Alexander 
Livingston. 

3135
02:40:34,640 --> 02:40:36,920
So he's kind of like the the new
region, like the Hand of the 

3136
02:40:36,920 --> 02:40:41,480
King, this William Crichton guy.
By the way, the date of this 

3137
02:40:41,480 --> 02:40:46,040
event, this dinner, was November
24th, 1440. 

3138
02:40:46,240 --> 02:40:49,960
Some of you astute listeners may
realize that the original date 

3139
02:40:49,960 --> 02:40:54,760
we planned for this episode was 
November 24th, 2024. 

3140
02:40:54,760 --> 02:40:57,000
But I was too scared. 
I say I was too scared of the 

3141
02:40:57,000 --> 02:40:59,360
the omens. 
Yeah, yeah. 

3142
02:40:59,360 --> 02:41:02,200
Also, we were going to Spain and
that kind of threw things off. 

3143
02:41:02,200 --> 02:41:04,400
But really we were having our 
own Thanksgiving, which we did 

3144
02:41:04,400 --> 02:41:06,360
not want to associate with the 
black dinner. 

3145
02:41:06,400 --> 02:41:07,920
You can't have the black friends
giving. 

3146
02:41:08,160 --> 02:41:11,440
You can't have that. 
No, we did not have that. 

3147
02:41:11,480 --> 02:41:16,120
We avoided all such curses. 
So what happens? 

3148
02:41:16,120 --> 02:41:18,960
You got William, 6th Earl of 
Douglas, with his brother David.

3149
02:41:18,960 --> 02:41:22,000
They show up again. 
He's only 16 years old. 

3150
02:41:22,000 --> 02:41:24,680
Maybe, you know, he inherits a 
whole lot of power. 

3151
02:41:24,680 --> 02:41:26,680
Maybe he's a little naive 
because he's only 16. 

3152
02:41:26,680 --> 02:41:29,080
Maybe he doesn't. 
Maybe he doesn't know what's 

3153
02:41:29,080 --> 02:41:30,720
coming. 
Maybe. 

3154
02:41:31,200 --> 02:41:34,840
Regardless, like Sean said at 
the beginning, we don't know a 

3155
02:41:34,840 --> 02:41:35,960
lot of the details that 
happened. 

3156
02:41:35,960 --> 02:41:40,640
Legend says while they're 
eating, a black bull's head is 

3157
02:41:40,640 --> 02:41:43,280
placed in front of them. 
This is the Rains of Castamere 

3158
02:41:43,280 --> 02:41:44,840
starting to play during the Red 
Wedding. 

3159
02:41:44,840 --> 02:41:47,880
It's the same thing. 
Of course, George, because it's 

3160
02:41:47,880 --> 02:41:51,240
a story and his version added a 
heck of a lot more literary 

3161
02:41:51,240 --> 02:41:52,960
foreshadowing. 
Well, before that, there was 

3162
02:41:52,960 --> 02:41:57,280
also the drums, the rain, the 
breaking of the, the, you know, 

3163
02:41:57,280 --> 02:42:01,440
hurting Walder Frey's pride, all
sorts of things that were there.

3164
02:42:02,280 --> 02:42:04,240
Some of these things were 
probably present, too. 

3165
02:42:04,240 --> 02:42:06,680
We're just not as aware of them 
because history doesn't record 

3166
02:42:06,680 --> 02:42:07,880
them. 
But they're probably wear some 

3167
02:42:07,880 --> 02:42:10,520
other clothes to this. 
By the way, I've got a couple 

3168
02:42:10,520 --> 02:42:13,760
things to add here which might 
come into play as we get a 

3169
02:42:13,760 --> 02:42:14,920
little deeper. 
But fire away. 

3170
02:42:15,280 --> 02:42:19,720
The kid you know he was he was 
only quote UN quote only 16. 

3171
02:42:20,120 --> 02:42:23,240
But remember some other kid that
was only 17 was king. 

3172
02:42:23,440 --> 02:42:26,160
Lots of 16 year olds right off 
into battle and have. 

3173
02:42:26,160 --> 02:42:27,880
Rob Stark was 16. 
Ambition. 

3174
02:42:28,720 --> 02:42:32,440
And so, you know, not a lot is 
known about him, but, you know, 

3175
02:42:32,480 --> 02:42:35,920
I again, digging into this just 
to try to figure out, you know, 

3176
02:42:35,920 --> 02:42:39,240
what was going on here. 
There is this possibility that 

3177
02:42:39,240 --> 02:42:43,960
he was ambitious. 
He had an entourage of dozens of

3178
02:42:43,960 --> 02:42:46,480
armed soldiers that he rode 
around with all the time. 

3179
02:42:47,040 --> 02:42:49,360
And that might have come off as 
a threat, at least to some 

3180
02:42:49,360 --> 02:42:52,360
people, whether he meant it to 
be or not, you know, whether you

3181
02:42:52,360 --> 02:42:55,120
had some intention of recruiting
more or attacking towns. 

3182
02:42:55,120 --> 02:42:57,640
But you could see how some 
people might feel threatened, 

3183
02:42:57,960 --> 02:43:00,640
especially when this Douglas 
family is so powerful already. 

3184
02:43:00,800 --> 02:43:04,520
Also, he was invited to the 
Scottish Parliament and didn't 

3185
02:43:04,520 --> 02:43:08,480
go now, maybe didn't go because 
there was a storm or he's a kid 

3186
02:43:08,680 --> 02:43:12,960
or maybe because he was. 
It was like a stance like he was

3187
02:43:12,960 --> 02:43:15,880
not acknowledging the authority 
of the parliament and even if 

3188
02:43:15,880 --> 02:43:18,200
that wasn't the case, some 
people in parliament might have 

3189
02:43:18,200 --> 02:43:21,960
perceived it that way or might 
be convinced that that was it. 

3190
02:43:21,960 --> 02:43:27,240
However, they did perceive it. 
So before the actual dinner, he 

3191
02:43:27,240 --> 02:43:31,320
actually spent a few days at the
estate there and got to know the

3192
02:43:31,320 --> 02:43:33,800
young king, the 10 year old King
James. 

3193
02:43:33,800 --> 02:43:35,360
They were like him and the Dave 
brother. 

3194
02:43:35,360 --> 02:43:37,960
They were all like friends and 
playing games and getting to 

3195
02:43:37,960 --> 02:43:40,400
know each other. 
And when it was time for the 

3196
02:43:40,400 --> 02:43:44,480
actual dinner, he left his 
entourage behind at the estate 

3197
02:43:44,480 --> 02:43:48,240
to go to the actual dining hall 
and was warned not to. 

3198
02:43:48,480 --> 02:43:50,000
There was this one other guy 
with him. 

3199
02:43:50,000 --> 02:43:53,400
It's like it might not be safe. 
Don't take a chance, just bring 

3200
02:43:53,400 --> 02:43:56,160
a few guards with you. 
Nah, the King's my friend. 

3201
02:43:56,160 --> 02:43:58,560
I don't need to. 
And just went on his own with 

3202
02:43:58,560 --> 02:44:00,240
his little brother and his one 
other guardian. 

3203
02:44:02,240 --> 02:44:03,720
That other guardian was killed 
also. 

3204
02:44:03,760 --> 02:44:06,240
Yeah, yeah. 
And that's a great point, Sean, 

3205
02:44:06,240 --> 02:44:08,680
because, yes, the King James the
Second was there, but he was 

3206
02:44:08,680 --> 02:44:10,080
only 10 years old. 
So yeah, they're they're 

3207
02:44:10,080 --> 02:44:12,000
friends, but he doesn't actually
have authority. 

3208
02:44:12,360 --> 02:44:16,400
It's this Crichton guy and the 
red Douglas, some of these other

3209
02:44:16,400 --> 02:44:18,760
and James Douglas who was 
conniving at all this. 

3210
02:44:18,760 --> 02:44:20,560
Those are the guys that were 
behind the scenes here. 

3211
02:44:21,280 --> 02:44:23,840
So the charge is treason. 
They bring out the Black Bull's 

3212
02:44:23,840 --> 02:44:25,200
head. 
Maybe, maybe that didn't happen.

3213
02:44:25,200 --> 02:44:27,760
I, I did some research. 
I cannot find anything about the

3214
02:44:27,760 --> 02:44:29,600
Black Bull's head. 
I don't have any other examples 

3215
02:44:29,600 --> 02:44:31,240
of it happening. 
I couldn't find anything. 

3216
02:44:31,240 --> 02:44:36,120
Maybe it's so obscure that it's 
not on the Internet, but I 

3217
02:44:36,120 --> 02:44:37,960
couldn't find any. 
Some tellings it's a black 

3218
02:44:37,960 --> 02:44:43,280
boar's head, and in either case 
it's supposed to be a symbol of 

3219
02:44:43,280 --> 02:44:45,720
death. 
And it's like when it came out, 

3220
02:44:45,720 --> 02:44:47,440
it was a whoa. 
That's why it's the rains of 

3221
02:44:47,440 --> 02:44:49,200
cast me are perfect. 
Like parallel there. 

3222
02:44:49,200 --> 02:44:51,480
Yeah. 
So the charge was treason. 

3223
02:44:51,480 --> 02:44:53,920
They were given a mock trial and
then their heads were cut off, 

3224
02:44:53,920 --> 02:44:56,520
both William and David. 
So James Douglas, son of 

3225
02:44:56,520 --> 02:44:59,680
Archibald the Grim, becomes Earl
Douglas and he becomes the most 

3226
02:44:59,680 --> 02:45:02,280
powerful Lord in Scotland. 
So he's killed his own grand 

3227
02:45:02,280 --> 02:45:04,480
nephews. 
He becomes nicknamed James the 

3228
02:45:04,480 --> 02:45:06,600
Gross. 
So there's that because, you 

3229
02:45:06,600 --> 02:45:08,640
know, he's was kind of a gross 
thing to do. 

3230
02:45:08,840 --> 02:45:11,360
He would eventually pass the 
Earlham to William, 8th Earl of 

3231
02:45:11,360 --> 02:45:14,160
Douglas only three years later 
because he he didn't live very 

3232
02:45:14,160 --> 02:45:16,440
long. 
And it becomes a becomes a case 

3233
02:45:16,440 --> 02:45:17,440
of what goes around, comes 
around. 

3234
02:45:17,440 --> 02:45:19,800
Like we, we started to show 
this, these these types of 

3235
02:45:19,800 --> 02:45:22,000
violence was escalating. 
And here at the Black Dinner 

3236
02:45:22,000 --> 02:45:26,440
1440, it's almost immediately 
after, very soon after there's 

3237
02:45:26,680 --> 02:45:31,160
there's similar atrocities or 
violations of guest right or 

3238
02:45:31,160 --> 02:45:33,400
whatever you want to call it and
more examples of kinsling. 

3239
02:45:33,680 --> 02:45:36,040
So it's almost straightforward. 
Like there's not a lot of 

3240
02:45:36,040 --> 02:45:38,360
reasons that I complained at the
beginning of this episode that 

3241
02:45:38,360 --> 02:45:40,400
there's, there's not great 
analysis on this out there 

3242
02:45:40,400 --> 02:45:42,120
that's out there, unlike the 
wars of the road, there's lots 

3243
02:45:42,120 --> 02:45:44,600
of great analysis out there. 
This is like people are like, I 

3244
02:45:44,600 --> 02:45:45,840
don't know, I don't know why he 
did this. 

3245
02:45:46,080 --> 02:45:47,960
It's easy to see why he did 
this. 

3246
02:45:48,360 --> 02:45:51,480
These are just heirs of the 
original Black Douglas fighting 

3247
02:45:51,480 --> 02:45:54,520
over the insanely powerful 
Douglas titles. 

3248
02:45:55,080 --> 02:45:57,360
It's just that simple. 
There's really like, oh, it was 

3249
02:45:57,360 --> 02:46:00,480
an idea like, no, they killed 
this guy for power or this this 

3250
02:46:00,480 --> 02:46:02,800
kid for power. 
It's very straightforward. 

3251
02:46:02,800 --> 02:46:04,920
I think you. 
Know it's interesting as easy as

3252
02:46:04,920 --> 02:46:07,480
you say, but you know that 
there's not a lot of a ton of 

3253
02:46:07,480 --> 02:46:10,080
talk about it, Dornish Jame in 
the chat said. 

3254
02:46:10,080 --> 02:46:13,080
Shockingly, given how 
interesting all of this is, 

3255
02:46:13,320 --> 02:46:16,560
Scottish history is not taught 
in any detail in Scottish 

3256
02:46:16,560 --> 02:46:18,360
school. 
There's. 

3257
02:46:18,360 --> 02:46:21,840
One of the other eras and more 
European history in general. 

3258
02:46:21,840 --> 02:46:24,640
So even in their schools. 
Bit of a shame they should teach

3259
02:46:24,680 --> 02:46:26,440
that maybe not this to young 
people. 

3260
02:46:26,440 --> 02:46:29,720
This is a little, little R rated
for the kids, but still you 

3261
02:46:29,720 --> 02:46:32,280
know, and the teenagers could 
learn this maybe the college 

3262
02:46:32,280 --> 02:46:34,320
students. 
I think some of the mystery is 

3263
02:46:34,320 --> 02:46:37,600
why this Crichton guy did it 
because he didn't stand to 

3264
02:46:37,600 --> 02:46:39,880
directly gain anything. 
Exactly. 

3265
02:46:39,880 --> 02:46:43,080
It doesn't seem like James the 
Gross, who stood to gain the 

3266
02:46:43,080 --> 02:46:45,720
most, was actively involved in 
it. 

3267
02:46:45,800 --> 02:46:48,600
Yeah, but maybe they expected to
get favor from him. 

3268
02:46:48,600 --> 02:46:50,360
And you know, you can imagine 
all the kind of. 

3269
02:46:50,360 --> 02:46:51,960
Pressure from him? 
Yeah, maybe he promised them 

3270
02:46:51,960 --> 02:46:53,880
rewards that we're not that 
history isn't Privy to. 

3271
02:46:53,880 --> 02:46:56,360
But yeah, you're right. 
Because it's a little odd, 

3272
02:46:57,120 --> 02:46:58,360
because Crichton got away with 
it. 

3273
02:46:58,360 --> 02:46:59,640
Yeah. 
The only thing that happens in 

3274
02:46:59,640 --> 02:47:01,840
the rest of his life of note and
that we could find like 

3275
02:47:01,840 --> 02:47:04,840
Wikipedia or elsewhere was just 
he eventually loaned James the 

3276
02:47:04,840 --> 02:47:06,760
second a bunch of money. 
Maybe This is Money that the 

3277
02:47:06,760 --> 02:47:08,080
Douglass has paid him as part of
this. 

3278
02:47:08,320 --> 02:47:10,760
But regardless, that's, that's 
it. 

3279
02:47:10,760 --> 02:47:13,480
That's like the only like he 
just kind of got away with it 

3280
02:47:13,480 --> 02:47:16,840
and retired and died normally. 
Now, when James reached 

3281
02:47:16,840 --> 02:47:21,360
adulthood in 1449, he had 
Douglas assistance in getting 

3282
02:47:21,360 --> 02:47:23,960
rid of this Livingston guy that 
was another conniver, another 

3283
02:47:23,960 --> 02:47:26,880
conspirator. 
So it appears like so two of the

3284
02:47:26,880 --> 02:47:28,240
conspirators turned on each 
other. 

3285
02:47:28,960 --> 02:47:30,400
Shocking, right? 
That never happens. 

3286
02:47:31,680 --> 02:47:34,640
People who are willing to do 
murders and and theft and all 

3287
02:47:34,640 --> 02:47:36,680
this sort of thing, they would 
never do that to each other. 

3288
02:47:37,320 --> 02:47:39,160
That's another sort of 
speculation, by the way. 

3289
02:47:39,200 --> 02:47:42,760
The fact that these two guys 
did, at least for years and 

3290
02:47:42,760 --> 02:47:46,160
years and years, seemingly got 
away with this, it makes people 

3291
02:47:46,160 --> 02:47:49,720
wonder who else might have been 
involved or gained from it or 

3292
02:47:49,720 --> 02:47:51,840
condoned it or whatever. 
The fact that they weren't 

3293
02:47:51,840 --> 02:47:55,000
immediately punished makes it 
seem like there were probably 

3294
02:47:55,000 --> 02:47:57,120
more people in on the 
conspiracy, you know? 

3295
02:47:57,120 --> 02:48:01,120
Yeah. 
Now we have the next event, the 

3296
02:48:01,120 --> 02:48:03,760
Black Fire Dinner. 
Again, just think of these 

3297
02:48:03,760 --> 02:48:04,920
Douglas's. 
They're just, they're very 

3298
02:48:04,920 --> 02:48:06,760
Tyrell ish, Frey ish, or or 
Lannister. 

3299
02:48:06,760 --> 02:48:09,440
You kill a few of them, but 
there's just always someone else

3300
02:48:09,440 --> 02:48:12,400
to replace them. 
There's always more Douglas's to

3301
02:48:12,400 --> 02:48:13,800
come out of the woodwork. 
Doug lie. 

3302
02:48:13,800 --> 02:48:15,600
Is that the plural of Douglas's?
No, Douglas. 

3303
02:48:16,240 --> 02:48:19,200
Anyway, the Black Dinner didn't 
really break the power of Clan 

3304
02:48:19,200 --> 02:48:21,560
Douglas at all. 
That was I've seen that floated 

3305
02:48:21,560 --> 02:48:23,160
as a reason, but that's just 
kind of silly. 

3306
02:48:23,160 --> 02:48:24,200
Of course it wasn't going to do 
that. 

3307
02:48:24,200 --> 02:48:26,400
It just moved the power to a 
different Douglas, an older, 

3308
02:48:26,800 --> 02:48:30,520
more dangerous Douglas. 
That James the Gross that got 

3309
02:48:31,040 --> 02:48:33,760
most of those titles, someone 
got divvied around, but I think 

3310
02:48:33,760 --> 02:48:35,920
he just died like a year later. 
Three years later, yeah. 

3311
02:48:35,920 --> 02:48:39,080
Very quickly after, yeah. 
But still, that wasn't the end 

3312
02:48:39,120 --> 02:48:40,200
either. 
It just went to some other 

3313
02:48:40,200 --> 02:48:41,280
Douglas, right? 
Like. 

3314
02:48:41,560 --> 02:48:43,600
Or some Doug Ladd? 
Some Doug Last. 

3315
02:48:43,600 --> 02:48:45,800
Yeah, Doug. 
Last and Doug Last. 

3316
02:48:47,920 --> 02:48:50,400
Before you continue, even though
I know this next part is so 

3317
02:48:50,400 --> 02:48:54,280
interesting, I just have to go. 
I I I love this episode and this

3318
02:48:54,280 --> 02:48:56,160
topic but I have something I 
have to do now. 

3319
02:48:56,160 --> 02:48:57,640
We're running a bit long. 
We're going to finish. 

3320
02:48:57,640 --> 02:48:58,920
It'll take us about 15 minutes 
to finish. 

3321
02:48:58,920 --> 02:49:00,720
So folks, stick with us, but 
we'll say goodbye to Sean for 

3322
02:49:00,720 --> 02:49:02,080
now. 
Thank you for your great input, 

3323
02:49:02,080 --> 02:49:04,560
your great takes, and we'll, 
we'll see you next time. 

3324
02:49:04,640 --> 02:49:07,560
The rest of you, let's do the 
Black Fire dinner. 

3325
02:49:07,560 --> 02:49:09,920
That's just my own name for it. 
We got the black dinner followed

3326
02:49:09,920 --> 02:49:12,000
up by the Black Fire dinner. 
And it's because it's a Black 

3327
02:49:12,000 --> 02:49:15,200
Fire parallel. 
That's why now James the second,

3328
02:49:15,200 --> 02:49:18,400
when he came of age, he, he 
leveraged that same Douglas 

3329
02:49:18,400 --> 02:49:20,680
power that had been shifted 
around so much times to help 

3330
02:49:20,920 --> 02:49:25,640
himself get established. 
So he invites that 8th Earl of 

3331
02:49:25,640 --> 02:49:29,600
Douglas, the son of James the 
Gross, who only ruled for three 

3332
02:49:29,600 --> 02:49:32,600
years, and promises him safe 
conduct. 

3333
02:49:32,600 --> 02:49:35,720
Now he promises him safe conduct
because, well, you can see why 

3334
02:49:35,720 --> 02:49:37,880
in this era, there's a lot of 
murderers going on. 

3335
02:49:37,880 --> 02:49:39,520
People couldn't trust each other
that much. 

3336
02:49:39,680 --> 02:49:44,760
Black Dinner was only 12 years 
old, but he did not give him 

3337
02:49:44,760 --> 02:49:46,560
safe conduct. 
So we got a real a nice 

3338
02:49:46,560 --> 02:49:49,360
Blackfyre Bloodraven situation 
here. 

3339
02:49:50,080 --> 02:49:55,600
He accused William of Southron 
ambitions, basically saying, hey

3340
02:49:55,600 --> 02:49:59,600
you, you're allying with all 
these people, you need to not do

3341
02:49:59,600 --> 02:50:01,920
that. 
And he's like, I'm going to do 

3342
02:50:01,920 --> 02:50:06,040
that. 
And so despite the promise of 

3343
02:50:06,040 --> 02:50:08,880
safe conduct, he stabbed him 26 
times. 

3344
02:50:08,880 --> 02:50:11,680
That is the king himself. 
James the Second stabbed 

3345
02:50:11,680 --> 02:50:14,760
William, the 8th Earl of 
Douglas, 26 times, then threw 

3346
02:50:14,760 --> 02:50:16,920
his body out the window just for
good measure. 

3347
02:50:17,160 --> 02:50:19,640
And then more people just 
started hacking away at him. 

3348
02:50:19,640 --> 02:50:22,240
One dude, like, slammed an axe 
into his face. 

3349
02:50:22,240 --> 02:50:26,920
Like that was kind of 
unnecessary, but you know, they 

3350
02:50:26,920 --> 02:50:29,280
did it. 
All right, you got me. 

3351
02:50:29,280 --> 02:50:31,960
That was that wasn't a dinner, 
but it was black fire ish cause 

3352
02:50:31,960 --> 02:50:34,800
of Anis and Bloodraven. 
Now to complete the parallel, 

3353
02:50:35,040 --> 02:50:38,640
the new Earl of Douglas, the 9th
Earl of Douglas, who is the last

3354
02:50:38,640 --> 02:50:44,720
Earl of Douglas, the last black 
Douglas Earl, he now takes the 

3355
02:50:44,720 --> 02:50:48,000
earldom and he should be 
described because he's part of 

3356
02:50:48,000 --> 02:50:50,400
the picture here. 
He's got the look. 

3357
02:50:50,400 --> 02:50:53,920
And by the look, I mean he had a
red birthmark on his cheek like 

3358
02:50:53,920 --> 02:50:57,280
Bloodraven did. 
His nickname was Fiery Face 

3359
02:50:58,000 --> 02:51:00,240
because he had a temper and 
because of that birthmark on his

3360
02:51:00,240 --> 02:51:03,880
face, which was red like Blood 
Ravens, also red birthmark. 

3361
02:51:04,160 --> 02:51:07,320
We've got James versus James. 
James responded to the stabbing 

3362
02:51:07,320 --> 02:51:12,560
of his father by attaching the 
false letter of safe conduct to 

3363
02:51:12,560 --> 02:51:15,440
a horse and having that horse 
ride through town to sort of 

3364
02:51:16,480 --> 02:51:20,680
show everybody what King James 
had done to show how he had, you

3365
02:51:20,680 --> 02:51:22,600
know, violated this order of 
safe conduct. 

3366
02:51:24,360 --> 02:51:32,000
Despite this James Douglas being
kind of in the right here, he 

3367
02:51:32,440 --> 02:51:36,320
didn't end up doing so well. 
So now we have our last section,

3368
02:51:36,320 --> 02:51:40,160
the Black Douglas death. 
James kept on warring against 

3369
02:51:40,160 --> 02:51:42,200
the Earl of Douglas. 
He kept fighting against this 

3370
02:51:42,280 --> 02:51:45,680
same James was James versus 
James game of James. 

3371
02:51:46,320 --> 02:51:49,800
And for about 3 years, James 
Douglas was winning. 

3372
02:51:50,200 --> 02:51:55,040
He kept winning in these 
battles, but there was a 

3373
02:51:55,040 --> 02:52:00,880
marriage to Margaret Douglas, 
the Fair Maid of Galloway, and 

3374
02:52:00,920 --> 02:52:02,680
she had inherited Galloway after
the black dinner. 

3375
02:52:02,680 --> 02:52:05,960
She actually inherited land 
because her brother had both 

3376
02:52:05,960 --> 02:52:07,720
those titles and one passed to 
her. 

3377
02:52:07,960 --> 02:52:11,080
Real Marjorie Tyrell vibes with 
the fair Maid of Galloway. 

3378
02:52:11,800 --> 02:52:16,280
So she had been married to the 
8th Earl, The 8th Earl was 

3379
02:52:16,280 --> 02:52:19,200
killed and she married the 9th 
Earl. 

3380
02:52:20,160 --> 02:52:23,960
And then when the 9th Earl was 
eventually lost his lands and 

3381
02:52:23,960 --> 02:52:27,680
later died, she married Jon 
Stewart. 

3382
02:52:27,680 --> 02:52:30,760
So it just go Douglas Douglas 
Stewart. 

3383
02:52:30,760 --> 02:52:34,120
Yeah. 
It actually looked this war was 

3384
02:52:34,120 --> 02:52:38,360
going so well in James Douglas 
favor that it might look like 

3385
02:52:38,360 --> 02:52:39,640
James the Second would lose the 
throne. 

3386
02:52:39,960 --> 02:52:43,160
But he was finally able to win 
enough support from the other 

3387
02:52:43,160 --> 02:52:46,560
nobles to put down James 
Douglas, 9th Earl. 

3388
02:52:47,360 --> 02:52:51,880
James escaped, but his three 
brothers, who were all Lords 

3389
02:52:51,880 --> 02:52:54,800
were killed or executed in this 
final battle of Arcanholm. 

3390
02:52:55,120 --> 02:52:59,640
Not to be confused with the 
Arcan Stone of Lord of the Rings

3391
02:52:59,640 --> 02:53:03,000
fame or Ian Holm of Lord of the 
Rings fame. 

3392
02:53:03,160 --> 02:53:08,000
Arcanholm, the commander in the 
final battle against this black 

3393
02:53:08,000 --> 02:53:13,240
Douglass's George Douglas, 4th 
Earl of the Red Douglas line. 

3394
02:53:13,240 --> 02:53:16,080
So this final battle had Red 
Douglas versus Black Douglas, 

3395
02:53:16,840 --> 02:53:19,880
and then James the Second had 
done so well. 

3396
02:53:19,880 --> 02:53:22,560
His defeat of the Black 
Douglases was powerful enough 

3397
02:53:22,560 --> 02:53:25,920
and secure enough that he was 
actually able to have Parliament

3398
02:53:26,720 --> 02:53:31,160
forfeit all Black Douglas lands.
The Black Douglases were 

3399
02:53:31,160 --> 02:53:36,400
completely purged as nobles. 
Their lands were seized and 

3400
02:53:36,400 --> 02:53:41,000
redistributed. 
Now, James the Second died only 

3401
02:53:41,000 --> 02:53:44,640
5, about five years later in 
1460, trying to retake that same

3402
02:53:44,640 --> 02:53:48,320
Roxbrook Castle that the English
still held from the Wars of 

3403
02:53:48,320 --> 02:53:49,680
Independence. 
Even though they won those wars,

3404
02:53:49,680 --> 02:53:51,160
the English still had Roxbrook 
Castle. 

3405
02:53:51,680 --> 02:53:55,000
But I'm sad Sean missed this 
little anecdote 'cause we talked

3406
02:53:55,000 --> 02:53:56,880
about this before as a thing 
that could happen. 

3407
02:53:57,200 --> 02:54:00,120
How did he die? 
He stood too close to one of his

3408
02:54:00,120 --> 02:54:02,640
own cannons and it backfired and
it killed him just like that. 

3409
02:54:02,640 --> 02:54:05,280
Simple as that. 
Just the most ignominious death.

3410
02:54:05,720 --> 02:54:09,200
Who finished the siege of 
Roxbrook Castle in his place 

3411
02:54:09,200 --> 02:54:10,800
though? 
The Red Douglas. 

3412
02:54:11,120 --> 02:54:14,280
He did the job. 
So who ascends after James the 

3413
02:54:14,280 --> 02:54:17,240
Second? 
James the Third, his mother 

3414
02:54:17,240 --> 02:54:19,440
handled Scotland for a little 
while because James the Third 

3415
02:54:19,440 --> 02:54:21,640
was young. 
The Wars the Roses were getting 

3416
02:54:21,640 --> 02:54:26,160
started and James the Third 
later in his life was opposed by

3417
02:54:26,160 --> 02:54:32,080
a guy named Archibald Bell the 
cat with hyphens, Bell Dash the 

3418
02:54:32,080 --> 02:54:35,760
Dash cat, who was a red Douglas,
now the 9th Earl. 

3419
02:54:35,760 --> 02:54:39,200
Even though he lost, he still 
survived until 1484, where he 

3420
02:54:39,200 --> 02:54:43,520
and Alexander Stewart of the 
disenfranchised Albany Stewart's

3421
02:54:43,520 --> 02:54:46,160
teamed up. 
This is also the second son of 

3422
02:54:46,160 --> 02:54:49,040
King James the Second. 
So you got an Alexander Stewart 

3423
02:54:49,040 --> 02:54:51,480
who's son of the king. 
This is James the Third's 

3424
02:54:51,480 --> 02:54:53,520
brother. 
So the the King's brother teams 

3425
02:54:53,520 --> 02:54:56,720
up with the last Earl of the 
Black Douglases to fight one 

3426
02:54:56,720 --> 02:55:03,320
last try, but their ally backed 
out at the last minute. 

3427
02:55:03,320 --> 02:55:06,640
And who was their ally? 
Everything comes together here 

3428
02:55:06,640 --> 02:55:09,400
at the end. 
It was Richard the Third, our 

3429
02:55:09,400 --> 02:55:12,080
main subject of the Wars of the 
Roses episode. 

3430
02:55:12,640 --> 02:55:15,240
Instead of supporting them, he 
just gave them permission like 

3431
02:55:15,240 --> 02:55:18,200
they needed it, but they So 
their invasion backfired really 

3432
02:55:18,200 --> 02:55:20,800
badly. 
This is why the final battle. 

3433
02:55:20,800 --> 02:55:22,960
I said it already happened 
because there was no battle here

3434
02:55:22,960 --> 02:55:24,960
really not much of one. 
They invaded. 

3435
02:55:25,120 --> 02:55:26,640
They were hoping for local 
support. 

3436
02:55:26,640 --> 02:55:28,320
Instead the locals turned on 
them. 

3437
02:55:28,320 --> 02:55:31,200
The locals attacked them. 
Rather than waiting for an army,

3438
02:55:31,200 --> 02:55:34,240
they just attacked them. 
So Douglas was captured, never a

3439
02:55:34,240 --> 02:55:36,720
factor again. 
Prince Alexander escaped to 

3440
02:55:36,720 --> 02:55:42,000
France where he was killed the 
following year in a duel. 

3441
02:55:42,200 --> 02:55:44,880
He challenged the Duke of 
Orlean. 

3442
02:55:45,360 --> 02:55:49,240
The Duke of Orlean killed him 
because of a splinter from his 

3443
02:55:49,240 --> 02:55:51,800
Lance got him. 
It was maybe like Gregor 

3444
02:55:51,800 --> 02:55:55,960
fighting Hue of the Veil, except
that the Duke of Orlean probably

3445
02:55:55,960 --> 02:55:58,760
wasn't nearly as large as Gregor
Clegane, but same result. 

3446
02:55:58,920 --> 02:56:00,920
The Duke of Orlean eventually 
became King of France. 

3447
02:56:00,920 --> 02:56:03,120
So this was not just some random
Duke. 

3448
02:56:03,120 --> 02:56:04,560
Not that any Duke is really that
random. 

3449
02:56:05,120 --> 02:56:08,760
So with the end of both the 
Albany Stewarts and the Black 

3450
02:56:08,760 --> 02:56:13,440
Douglases, royal power in 
Scotland entered an entirely new

3451
02:56:13,440 --> 02:56:16,600
phase. 
The Red Douglases stuck around, 

3452
02:56:16,760 --> 02:56:19,680
but they had learned their 
lesson in this new era. 

3453
02:56:19,680 --> 02:56:22,960
They maintained their power 
without getting too close to the

3454
02:56:22,960 --> 02:56:24,360
top. 
They never got burned. 

3455
02:56:24,360 --> 02:56:26,200
They stuck around. 
There were some disputes, of 

3456
02:56:26,200 --> 02:56:29,760
course, back and forth, but as I
said at the beginning, the Red 

3457
02:56:29,760 --> 02:56:31,800
Douglases are still around 
today. 

3458
02:56:32,160 --> 02:56:35,440
There's the Lord Douglas 
Hamilton that still exists. 

3459
02:56:35,440 --> 02:56:37,640
There's the Douglases of 
Scotland. 

3460
02:56:38,160 --> 02:56:41,160
I mean, Scotland, I said that 
the Douglases of Sweden, there's

3461
02:56:41,160 --> 02:56:43,560
a Swedish branch of the Red 
Douglases that still exists at 

3462
02:56:43,560 --> 02:56:45,760
this day as well. 
So ultimately the family was 

3463
02:56:45,760 --> 02:56:48,760
very successful despite the the 
fall of the Black Douglases. 

3464
02:56:49,120 --> 02:56:53,040
As I also said at the beginning,
there's no real end here, nor is

3465
02:56:53,040 --> 02:56:55,480
there really a beginning here. 
There's just our version, the 

3466
02:56:55,480 --> 02:56:58,080
history of Westeros, version of 
the wars of Scottish 

3467
02:56:58,080 --> 02:57:01,640
independence, the war against 
the Norse, the tales of Robert, 

3468
02:57:01,640 --> 02:57:04,720
Bruce and all the Stewarts and 
Douglass's. 

3469
02:57:05,680 --> 02:57:08,600
Our interpretation, our version,
we got to stop somewhere. 

3470
02:57:08,960 --> 02:57:12,400
Rebels with James the Sun's 
third, who was James tried to 

3471
02:57:12,400 --> 02:57:16,040
pull a Rhaegar and Aries, right?
They tried to like put James 

3472
02:57:16,040 --> 02:57:20,120
down but not kill him, just sort
of force him to abdicate, but 

3473
02:57:20,120 --> 02:57:23,000
King James just died instead 
during this kind of work, just 

3474
02:57:23,000 --> 02:57:25,040
he died instead of them putting 
him in prison. 

3475
02:57:25,400 --> 02:57:28,440
James the 4th ascended who was 
followed by James the 5th who 

3476
02:57:28,440 --> 02:57:30,960
was followed by Mary Queen of 
Scots. 

3477
02:57:31,160 --> 02:57:34,480
And after that the throne, the 
crown of Scotland was united 

3478
02:57:34,520 --> 02:57:37,440
with the crown of England and 
Ireland and Great Britain became

3479
02:57:37,440 --> 02:57:41,000
a thing. 
So as you can see, we covered a 

3480
02:57:41,000 --> 02:57:42,560
lot, but there's endless 
stories. 

3481
02:57:42,560 --> 02:57:45,280
There's so many we didn't tell. 
There's so many more tales of 

3482
02:57:45,280 --> 02:57:48,440
Douglas Stewart and other 
families that weren't named. 

3483
02:57:48,440 --> 02:57:51,720
Hopefully I've inspired you to 
check some more of this out or 

3484
02:57:51,720 --> 02:57:57,840
at least inspire you to vote for
episodes like this in Topics or 

3485
02:57:57,840 --> 02:58:01,520
to just, you know, tweet at us 
or Blue sky at us or send us 

3486
02:58:01,520 --> 02:58:03,640
messages to say, hey, I liked 
episodes like this. 

3487
02:58:04,080 --> 02:58:07,840
Make more of them. 
Final footnote, the Stone of 

3488
02:58:07,840 --> 02:58:09,480
Destiny. 
Sean alluded to some of this, 

3489
02:58:09,480 --> 02:58:12,240
but yes, the the the British 
monarchs kept using it. 

3490
02:58:12,960 --> 02:58:18,000
Some kids stole it in 1950. 
They stashed it in a church 

3491
02:58:18,000 --> 02:58:21,600
where it was later found. 
Like Sean said, it was really 

3492
02:58:21,600 --> 02:58:22,840
heavy. 
So it's kind of amazing they 

3493
02:58:22,840 --> 02:58:25,200
pulled this off. 
There were four kids that stole 

3494
02:58:25,200 --> 02:58:27,120
it. 
If you go to the Wikipedia 

3495
02:58:27,120 --> 02:58:29,880
article on the Stone of Destiny,
you can see there's links to 

3496
02:58:29,880 --> 02:58:32,600
three of these kids. 
Who there you can read about 

3497
02:58:32,600 --> 02:58:35,520
these three kids that stole one 
of them doesn't have a link. 

3498
02:58:36,680 --> 02:58:40,400
Alan Stewart. 
Maybe the Stewart family doesn't

3499
02:58:40,400 --> 02:58:42,760
want this kid associated with 
all that. 

3500
02:58:42,760 --> 02:58:46,760
But it's hilarious to me that a 
Stewart was involved in stealing

3501
02:58:46,760 --> 02:58:50,440
back the Stone of Destiny many 
years later in the night in 

3502
02:58:50,440 --> 02:58:54,360
1950. 
Some, I don't know, seven. 

3503
02:58:54,360 --> 02:58:55,600
Well, how many years later was 
that? 

3504
02:58:55,600 --> 02:58:58,000
Still somewhere like 640 some 
years later. 

3505
02:58:58,240 --> 02:59:02,440
So yeah, in 1996 it was returned
for real and it's now on display

3506
02:59:02,640 --> 02:59:04,680
in Scotland. 
You can you can go see it if you

3507
02:59:04,680 --> 02:59:08,840
want next week. 
The Shadow by a Shy sort of a 

3508
02:59:08,840 --> 02:59:14,680
long post sequel to our A Shy by
the Shadow episode made many, 

3509
02:59:14,680 --> 02:59:17,680
many years ago. 
I want to shout out as well our 

3510
02:59:17,680 --> 02:59:19,840
long ago episode, The Witch 
Queen of Harrenhal. 

3511
02:59:20,280 --> 02:59:22,720
It talks about Alice Rivers, but
it also has the guest Shakes of 

3512
02:59:22,720 --> 02:59:25,280
Thrones and Joe Magician. 
But in that episode, Shakes of 

3513
02:59:25,280 --> 02:59:28,640
Thrones talked about witches and
prophecy, a lot of which comes 

3514
02:59:28,640 --> 02:59:31,120
from Macbeth and Shakespeare. 
So it's very related to some of 

3515
02:59:31,120 --> 02:59:32,800
that little bit of prophecy we 
talked about. 

3516
02:59:33,200 --> 02:59:39,040
And I also want to bring to you 
our cat, Xerxes, the blue eyed 

3517
02:59:39,720 --> 02:59:41,040
Persian boy. 
Can you hear him? 

3518
02:59:41,600 --> 02:59:43,280
Is he purring into the 
microphone? 

3519
02:59:43,600 --> 02:59:45,160
Maybe not. 
He's not really happy about 

3520
02:59:45,160 --> 02:59:48,280
being picked up like this, but 
we didn't have She's Cat today, 

3521
02:59:48,280 --> 02:59:49,880
one of She's Cat, so we grabbed 
one of our own. 

3522
02:59:49,880 --> 02:59:51,720
We make do. 
Thank you everybody. 

3523
02:59:52,120 --> 02:59:55,240
An extra long episode today, but
as you can see, we had a lot to 

3524
02:59:55,240 --> 02:59:56,560
cover. 
I hope you enjoyed it. 

3525
02:59:57,320 --> 03:00:00,840
Thanks to Nina, Congrats again 
on her nuptials. 

3526
03:00:00,840 --> 03:00:04,160
To James, again, the only living
James we discussed today. 

3527
03:00:04,560 --> 03:00:09,840
Thanks as well to Joey and Jesse
and Bran, those kind folks who 

3528
03:00:09,840 --> 03:00:13,640
made our music and adapted our 
music and made videos for our 

3529
03:00:13,640 --> 03:00:16,200
show to introduce it. 
That also goes for Michael 

3530
03:00:16,200 --> 03:00:18,360
Klarfeld who made our original 
video intro. 

3531
03:00:18,520 --> 03:00:24,200
You can check Michael out at 
claredox.de KLARADO x.de. 

3532
03:00:24,800 --> 03:00:27,760
You can buy copies of his maps, 
just the files if you want. 

3533
03:00:27,760 --> 03:00:30,240
Go get them printed yourself. 
Nice and cheap that way. 

3534
03:00:30,480 --> 03:00:33,440
Xerxes has a Persian name, but 
it's a Siamese cat. 

3535
03:00:33,960 --> 03:00:37,320
I just needed to say that yes, 
for him, his sake. 

3536
03:00:37,600 --> 03:00:39,680
That is a very good point. 
Yes, Persian. 

3537
03:00:39,800 --> 03:00:41,880
Persian cats are entirely 
different. 

3538
03:00:41,880 --> 03:00:43,640
That's the the big fluffy ones. 
So. 

3539
03:00:43,640 --> 03:00:46,600
Yeah, if anyone was confused, 
that's why, as he said, Persian 

3540
03:00:46,600 --> 03:00:47,960
cat. 
Yeah, because he has a Persian 

3541
03:00:47,960 --> 03:00:49,880
name. 
Yeah, he's not actually a 

3542
03:00:49,880 --> 03:00:52,800
Persian cat. 
Yeah, he is clearly a Siamese, a

3543
03:00:52,800 --> 03:00:56,120
very beautiful Siamese boy with 
blue eyes. 

3544
03:00:56,880 --> 03:00:59,800
And we will be back next time 
for more. 

3545
03:00:59,800 --> 03:01:03,360
And you know what to do. 
Valar reread us.