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Of all the characters in A Song 
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doubt Patchface is one of the 
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terms of who he is, what he is, 
and why he is the way he is. 

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There are elements and aspects 
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no other character. 
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through comparison, but he is 
very hard to compare to other 

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characters, even amongst those 
very select few who seem to be 

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capable of seeing the future in 
some form or fashion. 

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To be unique amongst that group 
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We'll get into the weeds during 
the episode, but just one 

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example is he might be the only 
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that doesn't know he can tell 
the future. 

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It's also partly because he 
breaks and inverts tropes. 

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But I mean, honestly, George 
does that a lot. 

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He's really good at that, so 
it's not entirely unexpected 

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that he would do it. 
But which tropes is he breaking 

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exactly? 
That's something we'll get into,

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but that also doesn't 
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the pack in terms of 
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So I'm going to propose before 
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It's a bit of a thesis statement
here during the intro that this 

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is exactly what George was 
aiming for. 

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A character that he 
intentionally made difficult to 

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categorize. 
Basically an avatar of how his 

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views on magic should operate in
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Like a character that ensures or
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supernatural side of things 
stays mysterious. 

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If there's a few characters we 
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several more that we can't, then
that maintains at least a 

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significant amount of mystery 
Patch faces, certainly on the 

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side of we probably won't ever 
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Even if we get a dozen deep cut 
answers on patch face that would

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leave what, another dozen 
unanswered. 

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You know there's there's a lot, 
right? 

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He does have things in common 
with other characters, don't get

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me wrong, but no one seems 
particularly close to his unique

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mix of qualities. 
He he does defy categorization 

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in a setting that often defies 
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We have patch face the 
perplexing, Should we call him 

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Patch face the peculiar patch 
face the problem, patch face the

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profound patch face the Prophet.
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What are they even? 
What can we connect him to in 

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terms of other forms of 
supernatural origin and prophecy

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and all that? 
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Shereen and how intertwined are 
their fates? 

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She's got a little supernatural 
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And will that connect or overlap
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As usual with supernatural or 
hazy topics, we don't claim to 

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have all the answers. 
Anyone who does is, well, wrong.

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But I think we have some 
answers, at least some good 

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guesses, and we'll surely raise 
some questions you hadn't even 

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considered. 
A lot of times that's half the 

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fun, just getting to the 
question. 

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We don't have to always have the
answer for it to be really 

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interesting. 
Mysteries are fun, right? 

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If we all solve them all, then 
that's not quite as fun. 

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So yeah, a lot of very unclear 
answers here or non answers. 

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And Speaking of Shereen and his 
friendship with her, he's also 

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patch face the person he is a 
human being, even if he's deeply

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changed. 
So we're going to take a look at

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him with that lens on as well. 
George didn't neglect to make 

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him a person. 
You know, he has this qualities.

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We there's things we can connect
to our cell, there's human 

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aspects of him that that are 
worth considering and delving 

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into. 
So we have all that more on this

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episode of History of Westeros 
podcast. 

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The Patch face podcast is here. 
Again, we live stream most 

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Sundays at 3:00 Eastern. 
So if you want to catch us live,

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that's when to do it over on 
YouTube. 

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podcasts can be found after the 
fact. 

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And that includes on Spotify 
where the video exists as well 

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in an edited form. 
So that's probably the cleanest 

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version. 
But hey, take it where you want 

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it, get it where you like. 
We're everywhere. 

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And if you listen to on Patreon,
it's ad free, so that's nice. 

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Good shout out to 
ninagoodqueenalley.tumblr.com. 

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She has some great thoughts on 
patch face included here today. 

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You should definitely check out 
her blog, good 

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queenalley.tumblr.com. 
As I said, that's one L in 

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alley. 
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is a question about Argylla 
Durand and and and him her being

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the heir to Argalac and how that
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different tales in the world of 
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So you'll want to check that 
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It's a it's a good question and 
answer sesh there. 

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I'll mention some episodes at 
the end of this one that relate 

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to this one, of course, as I 
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And we will have a trivia 
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get the answer at the end, but 
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during the episode if you pay 
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Which three POV characters have 
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drowned? 
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Ironborn ritual, that doesn't 
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So not that that's doesn't make 
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qualify SO3 characters nearly 
drowned POV. 

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Enter at the end. 
Our different sections today, 

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let's read those fun topics so 
you can get an idea what we're 

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delving into. 
We'll start with our setup that 

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includes his first appearance, 
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Then we'll go to the Drowned 
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Maesters, then Witch Songs, then
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Agent, then prophetic 
categorization, then prophecies.

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Just patch faces prophecies, 
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of the Deep, then pathos for 
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Then that creature is Dangerous.
That's aligned by Melisandre. 

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Then Skulls and bloody lips, 
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And that will be our last 
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Also, let's start with a poll. 
What do y'all think? 

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Who's going to survive the 
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characters? 
Which one will be standing at 

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while the after the other three 
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Of course it's possible that 
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time, but it seems unlikely, but
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Anyway, the four characters that
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live the longest, Shereen, 
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Patchface? 
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but I want to see who you guys 
will pick and we'll give you all

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the results at the end. 
Let's start with that first 

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appearance. 
Here it is quote. 

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When Pylos returned, the girl 
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Behind her, shuffling and 
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walk of his, came her fool. 
On his head was a mock helm 

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fashioned from an old tin 
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antlers strapped to the crown 
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With his every lurching step, 
the bells rang, each with a 

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different voice. 
Clang a Dang bong Dong ring a 

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Ling clong clong clong. 
Who comes to see us so early, 

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Pilos? 
Cresson said. 

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It's me and patches, Maester. 
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calling him Patches. 
It makes him sound almost cuter,

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perhaps more innocent in a way, 
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But boy does that change, 
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George is big on describing the 
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Like we got, we went through 
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doesn't describe cursing very 
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describe food. 
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in the latter category, things 
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It's a little funny, makes you. 
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Oh yeah, the Bell's in Norville.
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True with their unique tone. 
Yeah, yeah, a good point. 

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So Nina adds. 
It's a little silly, but also 

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unsettling, which is very 
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He is an unnerving clown, which 
is, you know, honestly, a lot of

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clowns are kind of unnerving. 
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you have a head start on being 
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lot of times, especially in a 
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Let's hear how the quote 
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The fool turned his patched and 
piebald head to watch Pylos 

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climb the steep iron steps to 
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His bells rang with the motion. 
Under the sea, the birds have 

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scales for feathers. 
He sang Clang a Langing. 

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I know, I know. 
Oh, oh, oh. 

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It need your bells. 
That's right folks, I have bells

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today for my patch face voice. 
Let me tell you where these 

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bells came from. 
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can see maybe that I pulled up 
like what looks like hair with 

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bells. 
Yes, this is a Dothraki braid 

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that I wore for my first ever a 
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It was actually a mash up 
cosplay where I did better call 

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Drogo, which is Better Call Saul
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So it's like is it better call 
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Is it superior Khal Drogo? 
Are you better call Drogo? 

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Who knows? 
But Aziz did that cosplay back 

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in like 2014, 2015, before 
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show. 
This was Breaking Bad era and he

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ran it back a couple years ago. 
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It's really fun. 
I've done some variations on it 

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and I still have this braid with
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the the Khal Drogo aspect. 
So why not use that for some 

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clang a Lang in here so that 
that will be a nice little audio

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feature throughout this episode.
He he's saying fish are just 

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birds who live underwater. 
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The birds have scales for 
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Maybe that's what he's saying. 
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It's certainly possible here. 
The description continues about 

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Patchface quote. 
Even for a fool, Patchface was a

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sorry thing. 
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gales of laughter with a quip, 
but the sea had taken that power

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from him, along with half his 
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He was soft and obese, subject 
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incoherent as often as not. 
The girl was the only one who 

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laughed at him now, the only one
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This is a good example, a minor 
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giving you the answer before he 
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We don't know that at this 
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You don't know that Patchface 
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You've just met him and he's 
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about birds and fish. 
But having one person, only one 

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person caring if he lived or 
died, that's setting him up to 

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be a Cassandra figure, someone 
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but tells the future. 
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Cassandra is he's a she's a 
Princess and Patchface is a 

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fool, but Patchface is 
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instead, So it's still some of 
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George just shifted around a 
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And Speaking of the image 
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paragraph does for us. 
We've we hear who the strange 

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guy was this this weird quote he
has and then the sea had taken 

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that power from him. 
Wait, what does that mean? 

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Soft and obese twitches and 
trembles. 

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OK, he doesn't sound. 
He's not cute anymore. 

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He's a little That becomes 
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Crescent thinks of him as a 
sorry thing, and he can't evoke 

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gales of laughter anymore. 
So, yeah, it sounds not so 

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great, right? 
It sounds like. 

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Yeah, yeah, you should feel bad 
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I think you all will as well, 
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him as a person. 
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called Patch Face as it says he 
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And in Lord Stefan's letter that
describes him, he was sent back 

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to Storms End before Stefan and,
and his and his wife, they came 

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back to Westeros. 
They sent this letter in 

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advance. 
They called him Patchface or 

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wait, I don't think they called 
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They didn't name him. 
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this young boy and what he can 
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And then they they crash the 
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Patchface is found. 
He doesn't have a memory of 

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anything. 
So they have no idea what his 

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He doesn't know what his name 

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Who does that sound like? 

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Cold Hands, right? 
Cold Hands is a character that 

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doesn't know his own name, and 
no one else seems to either, so 

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this is someone to consider as a
loose parallel. 

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As I said at the beginning, a 
lot of these parallels are 

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thoroughly partly connected 
here. 

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Another character that we should
think of is Barack Dandarian. 

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He knows his name, but he 
certainly has been losing his 

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memory as an undead being or 
semi undead being, and each 

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death lost him more memories. 
At least that's how it seemed to

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be explained to us. 
The twitches and trembles are a 

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little a little creepy, a little
off putting, maybe something to,

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but definitely something to have
sympathy for as well. 

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And yeah, that's like a, a, a 
fool, a person who's supposed to

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be comedic. 
Yeah, that's a difficult feature

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to get around when you're trying
to entertain people. 

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But no one cares about him. 
Serene's the only one who cares 

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if he lives or dies, so that 
he's not really in that role 

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now. 
Here's Davos's description of 

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him. 
It's good that we have multiple 

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takes because, well, it's useful
to us and this is a quite a 

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character to analyze. 
The Princess's fool was waiting 

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outside the maester's door for 
her like a faithful hound. 

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Doe soft and slump shouldered, 
his broad face tattooed in a 

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motley pattern of red and green 
squares. 

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Patchface wore a helm made of a 
rack of deer antlers strapped to

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a tin bucket. 
A dozen bells hung from the 

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tines and rang when he moved, 
which meant constantly, since 

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the fool seldom stood still. 
He jingled and jangled his way 

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everywhere he went. 
Small wonder that Pylos had 

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exiled him from Shireen's 
lessons. 

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Yeah, that would be distracting.
She used to start singing 

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during. 
I was like, I'm trying to teach 

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her history and you're just 
singing. 

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Come on. 
Shut up. 

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So, yeah, that makes sense. 
But this is the only, literally 

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the only time that they're not 
together. 

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And he's just outside the door, 
so they're just a one room 

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apart. 
So that's interesting. 

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They're never separated, and 
they're kind of united by this 

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outcast status. 
She has grayscale and doesn't 

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seem to have a lot of other 
friends. 

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Maybe Edric Storm briefly, but 
then he's gone. 

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She's had bad dreams as long as 
Crescent can remember too. 

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There of Dragons, which could be
her Valyrian blood. 

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Baratheons are descended partly 
from Targaryens. 

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Obviously those are they're 
Valyrian. 

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Patchface could have Valyrian 
blood too. 

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He is from well, he's he was 
purchased in Volantis. 

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We don't know that he's from 
Volantis. 

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He could be from a lot of 
places. 

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There's places he can't be from 
because he's not dark skinned, 

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like he can't be, you know, from
the Summer Isles. 

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Or he's not Dothraki, but could 
narrow it down a bit. 

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And it says he's as faithful as 
a hound. 

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That's really important because 
by the end of the episode we're 

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going to consider the 
uncomfortable subject of 

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Shereen's death and how 
Patchface will react or if we'll

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see it coming or well, who 
knows. 

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We'll get to that later. 
Like I said here, Shereen is 

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asking questions about winter 
and snow. 

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This is her first white Raven 
and we get this quote. 

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The small folks said that a long
summer meant an even longer 

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winter, but the maester saw no 
reason to frighten the child 

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with such tails. 
Patchface rang his bells. 

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It is always summer under the 
sea. 

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He intoned. 
The Murr wise wearing any moans 

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in their hair and weave gowns of
silver seaweed. 

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I know, I know. 
Oh, oh, oh. 

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Shereen giggled. 
I should like a gown of silver 

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seaweed. 
Under the sea it snows up. 

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Said the fool. 
And the rain is dry as bone. 

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I know, I know. 
Oh, oh, oh, yeah. 

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It seems like the tales to 
frighten children are already 

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right there in the room. 
Right. 

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But this is the girl with the 
undead fool, right? 

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And instead of the girl with the
Dragon Tattoo. 

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Yeah. 
But Patchface is arguably trying

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to make her feel less fear 
sometimes. 

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Right here he's saying, you 
know, don't fear fear summer or 

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don't fear winter. 
It's always summer under the 

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sea. 
That's somewhat comforting. 

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I think maybe his attempt to be 
comforting or, you know, maybe 

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he's just random, a gown of 
silver seaweed. 

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I don't know what to make of 
that. 

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That's interesting though. 
Like the it's just Merlin 

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royalty we're looking at or 
these Merlin middle class folks,

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you know. 
So a nenny moan, I think that's 

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almost straightforward. 
What's a nenny moan? 

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Well, I think it's just a 
pronunciation of anemone. 

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Nenny moan. 
Anemone Anemone is spelled very 

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similarly. 
Now this is also where it gets a

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little tricky too, because you 
think of a sea anemone, right? 

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It's under the sea. 
Sea anemone and sea anemones 

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are, they're colorful and take a
lot of shapes. 

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But an anemone is also a kind of
flower and flower woven in the 

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hair. 
That's typical enough. 

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You've seen that a bunch of 
times, but flowers under the sea

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is a little strange. 
So that takes us back to the sea

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anemone. 
So anyway, you could weave sea 

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anemones in your hair, I guess, 
if you're a Merlin. 

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What is the under the sea? 
It snows up and the rain is dry 

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as bone. 
Mean is that bubbles are rising.

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Bubbles would be dry, I guess 
'cause they're air bubbles. 

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And that is what he thinks of as
rain. 

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Nina suggests we consider 
underwater volcanic activity, 

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which is a very good catch, I 
think, because we've seen ash 

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and snow often connected. 
Ash could be like dry rain. 

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Rain is dry as bone. 
Yeah, right. 

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That that works. 
I don't know what the 

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significance of him seeing that 
is why it's important for him to

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point out undersea volcanoes. 
But they live at Dragonstone. 

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So you know, volcanoes are kind 
of they're nearby. 

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You know, it would be on your 
mind. 

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Maybe this is a scene, of 
course, where we're getting the 

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white Raven because the season 
is turning to Autumn and Kevin. 

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Epilogue Several books later we 
get the white Raven scene when 

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it turns to winter. 
So here when seeing the white 

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Raven patches it goes full 
creepy. 

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The child's mouth gaped open. 
It talks a few words, as I said.

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They are clever, these birds. 
Clever bird, clever man, clever 

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clever fool. 
Said patchface, jangling. 

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Oh. 
Clever, clever, clever fool. 

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He began to sing. 
The shadows come to dance, my 

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Lord. 
Dance, my Lord. 

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Dance, my Lord. 
He sang, hopping from 1 foot to 

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the other and back again. 
The shadows come to stay, my 

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Lord. 
Stay, my Lord, Stay my Lord. 

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He jerked his head with each 
word, the bells in his antlers 

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sending up a clanger. 
The white Raven screamed and 

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went flapping away to perch on 
the iron railing of the Rookery 

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stairs. 
Shereen seemed to grow smaller. 

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He sings that all the time. 
I told him to stop but he won't.

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It makes me scared. 
Make him stop. 

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And how do I do that? 
The old man wondered. 

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Once I might have silenced him 
forever, but now? 

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He calls the bird and the man 
clever, but he calls himself 

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clever, clever and then clever, 
clever, clever. 

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So he's like, hey, I'm smarter 
than the bird and the man. 

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Yeah. 
Which Melisandre kind of does 

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say that later in the in this, 
in this chapter. 

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So there's something there. 
Who is the Lord in the my Lord 

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he keeps referring to? 
I think it's just part part of 

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the song. 
There's no Lords in the room 

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there. 
I mean, the maester is not a 

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Lord. 
Shereen's a Princess. 

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It could just be part of the 
song. 

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It's the word the white Raven 
seizes on, though. 

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It's the one that makes the 
Raven kind of fly away with 

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this. 
This song scares him. 

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Might just be the bells 
rattling, but yeah, Sheree here 

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is creeped out by this. 
Yet it doesn't stop her from 

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hanging out with her only 
friend. 

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She accepts being creeped out as
the cost of this, even though 

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it's. 
What does she mean though when 

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she says he does it all the 
time? 

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What does that mean? 
How long has he been doing it 

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all the time? 
Is this a new thing that he's 

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been doing lately or has he been
doing it for months or years? 

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I don't know, but that's it's 
worth considering. 

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It's certainly an an interesting
question. 

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Which shadows exactly does he 
refer to? 

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There's a few possibilities, and
it could be multiples. 

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Here's the best options. 
I think Miriam Mazdor had 

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happened not very long before 
this, right? 

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This is the first chapter of A 
Clash of Kings. 

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Miriam Mazdor is near the end of
A Game of Thrones. 

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Danny absolutely describes the 
shadows that she sees in the 

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tent that Mary Masdor is with is
dancing with her. 

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She's dancing and singing too. 
Melisandre's shadow babies are 

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soon to come in the same book 
later in this book, but that's a

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possibility. 
The Others are white shadows and

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they did dance with Waymar 
Royce, I suppose at the 

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beginning. 
The shadows come to stay though,

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only it doesn't really fit the 
shadow babies or Miriam Mazdor 

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necessarily. 
It does fit the others, I think,

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but that's a consideration. 
The the whole they come to stay 

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part. 
The shadows come. 

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Well, there's a lot of options, 
but the shadows come to stay. 

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I think that might narrow it 
down. 

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This whole hopping from 1 foot 
to the other thing that's always

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weird, you know, like awkward 
and like it's meant to be a 

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little off putting I think. 
And that's just part of how 

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George has designed this 
character, giving him a lot of 

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off putting characteristics. 
But he's also got a limp. 

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So his hopping back and forth 
might also be like uneven, you 

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know, which also would add to 
the effect. 

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We could have seen that on TV. 
But of course, he's in the sur, 

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not appearing in this film club 
where he was not on TV. 

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The Drowned Fool. 
His origin story is very fleshed

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out in the Crescent prologue. 
It's certainly incomplete, but 

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it's a lot and it's he who 
witnessed Patchface seemingly 

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rise from the dead. 
Maybe quote? 

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Patchface had come to them as a 
boy. 

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Lord Stefan of cherished memory 
had found him in Volantis, 

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across the Narrow Sea. 
The King, the old King Aries, 

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Second Targaryen, who had not 
been quite so mad in those days,

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had sent his lordship to seek a 
bride for Prince Rhaegar, who 

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had no sisters to wed. 
We have found the most splendid 

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fool. 
He wrote Crescent a fortnight 

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before he was to return home 
from his fruitless mission. 

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Only a boy, yet nimble as a 
monkey and witty as a dozen 

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courtiers, he juggles and 
riddles and does magic, and he 

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can sing prettily in four 
tongues. 

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We have bought his freedom and 
hope to bring him home with us. 

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Robert will be delighted with 
him and perhaps in time he will 

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even teach Stannis how to laugh.
It saddened Crescent to remember

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that letter. 
No one had ever taught Stannis 

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how to laugh, least of all the 
boy patch face. 

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00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,040
It's a good reminder of how old 
Patchface is. 

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Yeah, yeah, he's. 
Not a boy anymore. 

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00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,320
He's not a boy. 
I think he's, I've got something

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about his age here in a minute 
actually, but we can go ahead 

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and talk about that now. 
I think he's about 28 to 32 

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because he was a boy when they 
brought him over and this would 

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have been around 270-8279. 
It's now 300 ish. 

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So if he was 8, somewhere 
between the range of 8:00 and 

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12:00, then he's somewhere 
between 27 and 33. 

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So we'll say 30 rounded off. 
He's about 30 years old. 

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00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,800
Look, he probably looks older 
than that, though, because he's,

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you know, suffered physical 
trauma. 

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00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,360
Yeah, No one taught Stannis to 
laugh, but he is funny. 

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He is the funniest of the 
Baratheon brothers, even though 

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he's the one that laughed the 
least by far. 

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00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:12,320
And it's funny that this very 
unfunny fool is the one employed

449
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,640
by Stannis and Solis, two people
who are strangers to laughter 

450
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:16,640
and humor. 
They have no idea. 

451
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:17,760
They're like, yeah, this is a 
fool. 

452
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,560
We'll hire him. 
Makes sense that they don't 

453
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,400
recognize their fool isn't funny
because they don't get any 

454
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,560
jokes. 
They don't laugh at anything. 

455
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:29,240
So it's just it's really an 
ironic joke by George that a 

456
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,240
family full of laughers. 
This is the family that produced

457
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,320
the laughing storm. 
They have the least funny fool 

458
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:41,880
of all time employed and the guy
that he attaches to is the the 

459
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,800
least laughter guy of all the 
Baratheons that we've ever seen.

460
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:50,640
So, So he used to sing prettily 
in four tongues, we see. 

461
00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:53,320
Was he taught that by the 
slavers? 

462
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,760
Masande apparently was. 
She was captured very young. 

463
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,440
And I don't think on Nathe she 
was learning a bunch of 

464
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,080
different languages. 
That's not something they really

465
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,000
seem to do there, but she showed
talent for it. 

466
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,160
And so they taught her all these
other languages. 

467
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:07,760
I'm guessing that's what 
happened here. 

468
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,600
But maybe he already knew a 
bunch of languages when he was 

469
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,720
enslaved. 
It's unclear, but he lost those 

470
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:14,880
languages. 
He doesn't seem to have them 

471
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,800
anymore. 
And I wonder if he lost even the

472
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,400
Common Tongue and had to relearn
that because it would be awfully

473
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,920
convenient if the only language 
of the four that he knew was the

474
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,560
one that everyone in Westeros 
speaks like that. 

475
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,080
Yeah. 
So anyway, but Crescent 

476
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,720
absolutely talks about how he, 
you know, is the one that 

477
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,200
basically took care of, took 
care of him. 

478
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,480
If if it wasn't for Crescent, 
Patchface would have just been 

479
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,000
left to die. 
So this is sad. 

480
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,040
We'll talk about it a little 
more later in the patch face 

481
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,440
pathos for patch face section. 
But this kid was extremely 

482
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,800
talented, like world class, and 
he's just forced into slavery 

483
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,800
and yeah, and didn't have much 
time to be free. 

484
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,040
Those were the last words of 
Lord Stefan, apparently that 

485
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,640
letter, because here's what 
happened next quote. 

486
00:26:58,120 --> 00:27:02,520
The storm came up suddenly 
howling, and Shipbreaker BAE 

487
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:07,120
proved the truth of its name. 
The Lord's two masted galley 

488
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:13,240
wind prow broke up within sight 
of his castle from its parapets.

489
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:18,080
His two eldest sons had watched 
as their father's ship was 

490
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:23,200
smashed against the rocks and 
swallowed by the waters. 100 

491
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,840
oarsmen and sailors went down 
with Lord Stefan Baratheon and 

492
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:32,840
his lady wife, and for days 
thereafter every tide left a 

493
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:37,520
fresh crop of swollen corpses on
the strand below Storm's End. 

494
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,280
He's thinking about Stannis and 
Robert and feeling sympathy for 

495
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,240
them, and fair enough, it's 
horrible what they saw. 

496
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,680
No, no joke, no, no hesitation 
there. 

497
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,920
But focusing on patch face here 
our topic. 

498
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,920
He was free for the length of 
that boat ride. 

499
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,120
That's it. 
He took ship from Volantis and 

500
00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:58,240
he was free on the ship, you 
know, in in the employ of the 

501
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,120
Baratheons. 
But that's a decent job for 

502
00:28:00,120 --> 00:28:04,800
someone that was forced into 
slavery and has a fool's tattoo 

503
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,000
covering his entire face. 
What is he going to what other 

504
00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:10,160
options of employment do you 
have when you have that facial 

505
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,360
tattoo? 
So, yeah, he was a free man sort

506
00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:16,400
of for the length of that ship 
ride and that's it. 

507
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,000
And then he, I mean, he's sort 
of free now, but he, he's, so 

508
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,840
he's such a different person 
now, it's not even clear if he 

509
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,560
can perceive the difference. 
So they would have been sort of 

510
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,280
his guardians because, yeah, 
they freed him from slavery. 

511
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,560
But he's like 10 years old, as 
we said. 

512
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,160
So that's kind of a Gray area, I
suppose. 

513
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:36,720
And but these are high Lords of 
Westeros. 

514
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,200
No one's going to question what 
they're doing or tell them that 

515
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,440
you can't have a 10 year old boy
that isn't in your family. 

516
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:46,760
And of course they can. 
He's probably not paid, but he 

517
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,600
probably would have been if he 
hadn't, you know, become so try 

518
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,560
heavily physically traumatized 
or whatever. 

519
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:54,520
So let's check the timeline 
here. 

520
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,680
Like we said, he's probably 
around 27 to 33 ish. 

521
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:03,800
This means he was probably at 
Storm's End during the siege, 

522
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,200
during Robert's Rebellion when 
Stannis was cooped up in there. 

523
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,560
And eventually the onion showed 
up and that helped. 

524
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:16,320
You wonder if Patchface had any 
prophecies or visions about 

525
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,640
onions or about a black ship 
sneaking at something like that.

526
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:24,720
How would you express this 
visually in in the prophecy 

527
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,360
format? 
You know, what words would you 

528
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,760
choose? 
Or to describe the what's going 

529
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,800
on in his head when he sees 
this, assuming he sees something

530
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,120
like this. 
But Daryl, you'd think there'd 

531
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:34,960
be some imagery and maybe he's 
just sitting in a corner 

532
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,240
muttering to himself because 
Shereen wasn't born yet. 

533
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,200
So who's he talking to? 
I kind of feel like he was just 

534
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:41,760
left in a corner a lot and 
ignored. 

535
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,520
And every once in awhile 
Crescent would talk to him or 

536
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:49,440
teach him some words or I don't 
know, But it I I'm confident 

537
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,360
that he mostly was just ignored.
He got some food, you know, he's

538
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,640
obese, they say. 
So maybe he ate a lot, but that 

539
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,600
makes sense. 
He's he's got nothing else to 

540
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:57,960
do. 
No one to talk to. 

541
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,800
Go eat. 
Now a common theory here. 

542
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:07,280
It's a long standing theory that
Patchface is some sort of 

543
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:12,040
example or profit, even if you 
want to go bigger with it, of 

544
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:16,080
the Drowned God because he 
drowned and now he has powers 

545
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:17,840
and he talks about things under 
the sea. 

546
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,440
So that it's it's a decent 
starting point for a theoretical

547
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,720
basis here. 
So if he was around, which he 

548
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,400
would have been, let's say when 
he was around during bail on 

549
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,080
Greyjoy's Rebellion, you wonder 
if he had some songs related to 

550
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,720
that coming out of his head. 
Maybe he was imagining that was 

551
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,920
the big thing going on in 
Westeros at the time. 

552
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,480
And Stannis sailed over there to
fight Bailon. 

553
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,440
So, I mean, Patchface wouldn't 
have gone with him, but he'd be 

554
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,160
aware of what was happening, you
know, And obviously he has some 

555
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,880
prescience beyond what's able, 
what's available to normal folks

556
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:56,800
for picking up information here.
The origin story The unexplained

557
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,680
continues quote. 
The boy washed up on the third 

558
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,680
day. 
Maester Crescent had come down 

559
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:08,440
with the rest to help put names 
to the dead when they found the 

560
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,960
fool. 
He was naked, his skin white and

561
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,640
wrinkled and powdered with wet 
sand. 

562
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,240
Pressin had thought him another 
corpse, but when Jomi grabbed 

563
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,480
his ankles to drag him off to 
the burial wagon, the boy 

564
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:29,600
coughed water and sat up. 
To his dying day, Jomi had sworn

565
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,040
that Patchface's flesh was 
clammy, cold. 

566
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:39,320
Robert might be able to forget 
this maybe, but Stannis maybe 

567
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,520
not because patch face is around
all the time. 

568
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,880
He'd round his daughter and vice
versa. 

569
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,240
His daughter's around him. 
So that might be a difficult 

570
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:53,120
reminder of his parents death. 
But Stannis isn't very well. 

571
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,640
I can say he's pretty hard. 
I don't know if this would 

572
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,720
actually bother him, you know, I
mean, maybe he's too tough for 

573
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,920
that. 
He's not very, you know, he 

574
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:03,160
doesn't have a lot of fond 
memories of anything, really. 

575
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,640
Yeah, he's he doesn't have a lot
of a lot of love for the past, I

576
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:09,960
guess. 
So I don't know, maybe that's 

577
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,920
maybe that's not how Stannis 
would work. 

578
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,400
But either way, it's a creepy 
reminder of his parents death 

579
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,240
that he witnessed just walking 
around all the time. 

580
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,920
So that's just, I don't know. 
That would seem this is just a 

581
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,560
strange thing to have in your 
castle. 

582
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,720
And here they thought he could 
make Stannis laugh. 

583
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:29,360
No, quite the opposite. 
And here's where Crescent has to

584
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,640
dance because he's a maester. 
He can't quite admit to himself 

585
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,080
what is going on. 
The implications are too much 

586
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,280
for him. 
Quote. 

587
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,680
No one ever explained those two 
days. 

588
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,840
The fool have been lost in the 
sea, the fisherfolk liked to 

589
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,600
say. 
A mermaid had taught him to 

590
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,120
breathe water in return for his 
seed. 

591
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,120
Patchface himself had said 
nothing. 

592
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,960
The witty, clever lad that Lord 
Stefan had written of never 

593
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,960
reached Storm's End. 
The boy they found was someone 

594
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:07,480
else, broken in body and mind, 
hardly capable of speech, much 

595
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,280
less of wit. 
Yet his fool's face left no 

596
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,760
doubt of who he was. 
It was the fashion in the free 

597
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:19,280
city of Volantis to tattoo the 
faces of slaves and servants 

598
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,560
from neck to scalp. 
The boy's skin had been 

599
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,200
patterned in squares of red and 
green motley. 

600
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,560
It's hard for him to fit this in
his worldview. 

601
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,440
He's a maester and he's an older
maester. 

602
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,520
He's been someone that lived 
through the very long lower 

603
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,400
magic era of Westeros. 
He's biased against the 

604
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,840
supernatural and his POV puts 
his puts that filter on what 

605
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,120
we're seeing. 
We're seeing everything through 

606
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,480
the eyes of a stubborn old 
maester. 

607
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,240
There are certain things he's 
just unwilling to consider. 

608
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,160
He doesn't believe in omens, for
example. 

609
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,280
That's one of the first lines of
the book. 

610
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,440
He sees the comment. 
He's like omens. 

611
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:02,680
I don't believe in those. 
And yet. 

612
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,160
But he doesn't go any farther 
than the end yet. 

613
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,520
He just thinks, well, it's 
certainly is the brightest 

614
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,320
comment I've ever seen. 
That sure is strange. 

615
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:14,360
It's a peculiar comment about 
the the fisherfolk saying the 

616
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,719
mermaids taught him to breathe 
water in return for his seed 

617
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,880
because there's a lot of talk 
around that. 

618
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,199
Similar ideas. 
In other words, like the idea of

619
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:29,040
a merming mermen being half 
human, half fish or so. 

620
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,360
You would need, you know, a 
human being to make that 

621
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,000
pairing, I suppose. 
And of course, that also relates

622
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,480
to the concept of the Deep Ones,
which we'll touch on a bit 

623
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,280
later, and how they breed with 
women, a human women. 

624
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,199
So this would be the reverse. 
There's a mermaid and a human 

625
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:46,679
man, but it's obviously a 
similar concept. 

626
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,480
Do you remember that bit in 
Futurama where Fry's dating the 

627
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,400
the the mermaid from Atlanta and
he like they get down to 

628
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,000
business and he's like why 
couldn't it have been the other 

629
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:02,680
kind of mermaid fish top but the
women warts in the anyway once 

630
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,080
it come down came down to it and
he couldn't milt her, whatever 

631
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,680
that word is anyway. 
That's hilarious. 

632
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,360
Imagine though, imagine what 
would what would a a Merling 

633
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,000
have? 
What characteristics would they 

634
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,800
have if it was actually the the 
child of Patch face? 

635
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,400
Would it have a motley face like
a a jester faced merman? 

636
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:27,160
Yeah, that's creepy, right? 
Crescent goes on to recall how 

637
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,240
the Castell and the Storms End 
at the time argued to just put 

638
00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:31,760
the boy out of his misery. 
Right. 

639
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,200
That would it would be. 
It would be a mercy, probably, 

640
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,600
especially in can give it. 
Crescent sees it that way now, 

641
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,080
like well, it's too late to kill
him. 

642
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,000
That would be murder. 
But at the time, maybe I could 

643
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,840
have made that choice. 
But Crescent at times like no, 

644
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,400
this is a living person. 
You know, I want to save them. 

645
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,440
You know I've sanctity of life 
and all that. 

646
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,440
It actually kind of humanizes 
patch face a bit, and I mean 

647
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,840
that literally, as in if 
Crescent nursed him back to 

648
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,560
health, maybe he wasn't dead. 
That's why I say quasi or proto 

649
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,600
undead. 
I'm using these terms that kind 

650
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,040
of made-up terms, but he's 
definitely not fully undead. 

651
00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:07,240
He might not be undead at all, 
but you know, the magical 

652
00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:09,640
explanation might not involve 
him being dead. 

653
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:13,280
But this is getting into 
semantics, I think anyway, his 

654
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,320
the story is incomplete, right? 
There's definitely a lot of time

655
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,120
here where Crescent was nursing 
him back to health. 

656
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,120
What that means, whether that 
involved reteaching him, how to 

657
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,720
speak and things like that. 
But at some point he did start 

658
00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:28,440
speaking again because it the 
initial quote from Patchface or 

659
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,960
from Crescent is that he was 
hardly capable of speech. 

660
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,640
So he must have been able to say
a little bit and Crescent must 

661
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,800
have built on that. 
Now he's still kind of incapable

662
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,160
of speech. 
He mostly sings. 

663
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,080
He's not incapable of singing. 
He does talk a little bit, but 

664
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,880
it's very sing songy even when 
he's just talking. 

665
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,000
And a lot of that's in Riddle 
form, right? 

666
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,600
Or at least if it's not a 
Riddle, it's just difficult to 

667
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,480
understand what he means. 
It's just filtered through the 

668
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,960
the brain of a insane person, 
perhaps a mad person. 

669
00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:03,240
Yeah. 
This brings us back to Stannis 

670
00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:06,480
and Solis having no idea what 
humor is too, because they like,

671
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,000
at some point this must have 
happened. 

672
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,720
They're like, well, he was a 
fool and Crescent's nursed him 

673
00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:16,200
back to health. 
Should we employ him as a fool? 

674
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,800
Well, he's not funny. 
Well, Stannis and Solis wouldn't

675
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,440
notice that. 
And then eventually he attached 

676
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,440
himself to Shireen and then the 
rest is history in terms of that

677
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,520
once they've connected and 
became a pair. 

678
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,760
That easily explains why 
Patchface was connected to 

679
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,000
Stannis and vice versa. 
I suppose. 

680
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:39,120
For Shireen we have a a a 
Patchface cosplay here. 

681
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,320
Is this on screen? 
Yeah, I put it on screen from 

682
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:46,440
Ice and Firecon 2023, our friend
Genevieve cosplay patch face, a 

683
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,400
party patch face with a Corona 
in hand. 

684
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,640
So I think we know what he's 
been up to during this gap. 

685
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,680
I think we see it here, but this
is the only patch face cosplay 

686
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,000
we've ever seen, certainly the 
only one at an Ice and Fire con.

687
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,880
So if you've seen one, I'd be 
curious to know. 

688
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,360
But yeah, I think she nailed it.
Absolutely yes. 

689
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,960
This might be why Stannis 
claimed him and took him to 

690
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,080
Dragonstone. 
I guess he must have realized 

691
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:15,840
the connection between Shireen 
and and Patchface because he 

692
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,560
moved from Storm's End to 
Dragonstone. 

693
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,600
And if if everyone was just 
ignoring him, well this would be

694
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,040
why. 
Because even if he didn't notice

695
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,240
someone pointed it out and 
Stannis wouldn't care be like 

696
00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:27,400
yeah bring this fool. 
He's like yeah I don't care go 

697
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:28,360
ahead. 
I doubt. 

698
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,480
I doubt Stannis have strong 
feelings about it either way. 

699
00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:33,640
Not it's beneath him to worry 
about something like that. 

700
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:41,120
No country for old maesters. 
Like we said, he's the only one.

701
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,520
Crescent is the only one who 
seemed to pay attention to 

702
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,520
Patchface until Shereen came 
along, which was quite a while 

703
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,240
later. 
Crescent dies while wearing 

704
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:53,080
Patchface's helmet, his fool's 
helmet. 

705
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,800
This is very it's both not 
subtle and subtle at the same 

706
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,320
time. 
It's, he has thoughts of being 

707
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,800
Stannis's father. 
And he's, he's, he's hurt by 

708
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,240
Stannis's light mockery, which 
that he's puts a stop to when 

709
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:09,800
Solis tries to push it a little 
farther. 

710
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,880
But they put the fool's helmet 
on him. 

711
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,120
And that's really insulting and 
cruel. 

712
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,720
And Patchface doesn't know it's 
insulting or cruel. 

713
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:20,520
He's just going along with that.
He's just like, yeah, we're 

714
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,160
doing stuff. 
I'm involved, you know. 

715
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:26,360
And he's also continuing to sing
about the shadows coming to 

716
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,600
dance, which is, yeah, I guess 
everybody's just ignoring him. 

717
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,000
Like if Stannis told him to shut
up, I don't know if he would, 

718
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,880
you know, but maybe he would 
cause Stannis is imposing and, 

719
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,320
and Patchface is, is not 
ignorant to dangers. 

720
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,240
We'll see much later. 
Patchface gets a little bit 

721
00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:44,800
scared of 11 the giant. 
So Stannis is no giant, but he's

722
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:49,080
6 foot four and very scary. 
So yeah, I, I would, I would be 

723
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,880
scared of that too, most likely.
So yes, he's Crescent is 

724
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,920
thinking about how cruel it is 
what Stannis is doing. 

725
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,240
Hey, I was a father figure to 
you, but he, again, we just got 

726
00:39:57,240 --> 00:39:59,720
through talking about how he was
a father figure to Patchface as 

727
00:39:59,720 --> 00:40:04,520
well, if not a, you know, kind 
uncle figure, something like 

728
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,680
that, you know? 
So Crescent goes through the 

729
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,200
rest of this chapter and let me 
remind you, it is the single 

730
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,360
longest chapter in the Song of 
Ice and Fire to date, including 

731
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:18,480
him taking a nap. 
He arrives at the banquet right 

732
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,040
late. 
He's on again. 

733
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:21,800
He's this is before they put the
helmet on him. 

734
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,720
So he shows up he's like, oh, 
they didn't they started the 

735
00:40:23,720 --> 00:40:25,120
party without me. 
No one woke me up. 

736
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,080
So he hurries there, gets in, 
and as he's coming in, he bumps 

737
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,200
into Patchface, literally bumps 
into him, and they fall over 

738
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:36,440
together and we get this quote. 
Patchface sprawled half on top 

739
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,680
of him, Motley Fool's face 
pressed close to his own. 

740
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,800
He had lost his tin helm with 
its antlers and bells. 

741
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,680
Under the sea you fall up. 
He declared. 

742
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,720
I know, I know. 
Oh, oh, oh. 

743
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:57,000
Giggling, the fool rolled off, 
bounded to his feet and did a 

744
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,360
little dance. 
Yeah, it's a good way to handle 

745
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,120
it, you know. 
Now you dance, Aziz. 

746
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:06,120
You've been singing, you know. 
You don't actually fall up if 

747
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,040
you're underwater and a person 
you you might, but it's not an 

748
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,320
automatic thing. 
Certainly if you're wearing 

749
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,080
armor, you don't. 
Certainly if you're you've 

750
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,240
you're out of oxygen. 
You don't. 

751
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,080
Or you do Rather you do if 
you're dead and bloated. 

752
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,960
You know, like Stone Temple 
Pilots sing about, You know, I 

753
00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:22,760
am. 
So you also smell like a rose. 

754
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,960
Yeah. 
So this is a little weird. 

755
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,720
Is this is more of his reverse 
perception. 

756
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,160
Davos quips that Stannis's 
Blackwater plan has them likely 

757
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,840
to see the bottom of the sea 
like Patchface has. 

758
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,600
And he turns out to be kind of 
right about that, doesn't he? 

759
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,200
He's joking about it, but it 
comes to reality. 

760
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,840
Melisandre's the one who helps 
Crescent up. 

761
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,360
And at first, if you recall, 
Crescent's like, oh, someone 

762
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,160
very strong is helping me up. 
Hey, thank you, Sir, Not, oh, 

763
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,840
Melisandre. 
And she tells him, you got to be

764
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,240
careful, man. 
You're an old man. 

765
00:41:57,240 --> 00:41:58,960
You can't be walking around that
quickly. 

766
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,440
You got to be careful. 
You know, she's a little mean to

767
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,120
him. 
Of all the people in the room 

768
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,720
being mean to Crescent, 
Melisandre's the one I can. 

769
00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:08,680
Oh, I'm OK with. 
I can understand 'cause she what

770
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,240
does she do every morning? 
She looks for danger to herself.

771
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:12,760
She knew Crescent was going to 
try to kill her. 

772
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,360
So she's like giving light 
insults to a person who intends 

773
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,320
to murder you. 
I don't have a problem with 

774
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,280
that. 
I think it's OK to insult 

775
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,120
someone you know is going to try
to kill you, even if you know 

776
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:28,280
they're going to fail. 
So, but cuttingly, she's 

777
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,560
specific about it. 
She picks up this question. 

778
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:35,040
She says, now here is a Riddle, 
a clever fool and a foolish wise

779
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,160
man. 
And that's when the helm goes on

780
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:38,480
his head. 
She picks up the fool put it on 

781
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,560
his head and she mocks the 
Citadel's rejection of the 

782
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,120
supernatural, saying she says 
there are truths in this world 

783
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,840
that are not taught at Old Town 
and Cresson's. 

784
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:55,560
Like we know she's right 
100,000% right, and we also know

785
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,280
that she's right that he is not 
equipped to explain it. 

786
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,440
He cannot explain her or patch 
face. 

787
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,520
To be fair, she can't explain 
patch face either. 

788
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,760
No one can really explain Patch 
Face, but the least of all 

789
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,400
Crescent. 
Even though he knows more about 

790
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,520
Patch Face than anyone from a 
human perspective, he's in such 

791
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,160
denial about the supernatural, 
and this is the moment where his

792
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,680
denial peaks. 
He's dying. 

793
00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:25,200
He's dying from poison that 
Melisandre is not dying from, 

794
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,480
and yet she drank it, the line 
goes. 

795
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:31,000
He shakes his head, denying her,
denying her power, denying her 

796
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,920
magic, denying her God as he's 
dying from poison that she's not

797
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,600
dying from. 
Patchface suddenly opened his 

798
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,720
eyes. 
He says earlier, Patchface came 

799
00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:43,480
back to life. 
No one could explain those two 

800
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,880
days at sea. 
This should have opened 

801
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,920
Crescent's eyes to the 
supernatural. 

802
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:50,760
I'm not saying George made a 
mistake. 

803
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,960
No, I'm saying this is an 
example of how stubborn this guy

804
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,560
was. 
He's an older guy. 

805
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,800
Even when Crescent, even when 
Patchface washed up on the 

806
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,120
shore, Crescent was already an 
older man by then. 

807
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,360
Even though that was 20 years 
earlier, Crescent was probably 

808
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,560
already like 50 or 60 by then. 
So there's a host of 

809
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,600
supernatural elements around 
Patchface, but Crescent's not 

810
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,120
the guy to notice because he's 
just in denial. 

811
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,160
He can't make that leap. 
It's not even a leap of faith. 

812
00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:22,560
There's evidence, strong 
evidence, he saw Patchface rise 

813
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:27,320
from when Jonny swore his body 
was cold and clammy. 

814
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:28,760
By the way, Jonny, what a great 
name. 

815
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,480
I guess Jonny is just Jimmy 
George just changes one letter 

816
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:34,760
to make. 
It's like Joffrey and Jeffrey, 

817
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:35,160
right? 
Yeah. 

818
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:41,280
So Patch Face is like this 
glaring element in the world 

819
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:47,760
that Crescent just can't accept,
even though he's right there and

820
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,000
he's not. 
Unlike the comet itself, Patch 

821
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:54,720
Face is a bit of a herald of the
new era where Dragons are reborn

822
00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:58,160
and shadows come to play again. 
It's no country for old 

823
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,000
maesters. 
This new world, or perhaps this 

824
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,000
new world come again, the new 
age of heroes, whatever you want

825
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,080
to call this new age of wonders 
and terrors. 

826
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:08,760
It is no country for old 
maesters. 

827
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,720
It might not be country for 
young maesters either, but 

828
00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:14,360
definitely not the older ones 
who are just very set in their 

829
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,400
ways, guys like Lewin and well, 
Crescents. 

830
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,440
We don't need more examples. 
You, you already know what I'm 

831
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:21,800
talking about. 
But there's, there's a couple 

832
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,560
already. 
So interestingly, though, of all

833
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,920
the things Patchface talks 
about, of all his ramblings and 

834
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,000
songs and sayings, there's 
nothing that really seems like 

835
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,800
he's talking about Dragons. 
Shereen does. 

836
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,440
Shereen talks about Dragons, her
dreams. 

837
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,120
That's one of the first things 
we learned about her, is that 

838
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,560
she has dragon nightmares, that 
they're coming to eat her, 

839
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,800
which, yeah, 'cause she probably
is going to be burned alive. 

840
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:47,080
Is that prophetic or just she's 
just a traumatized little girl? 

841
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:48,520
Maybe both. 
Yeah. 

842
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:52,080
So Patch faces, ramblings, 
etcetera, have more to do with 

843
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,400
shadows and the dead. 
They seem to be more related to 

844
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,720
the other's side of things. 
If we're looking at the ice and 

845
00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:04,280
the fire, his insight into the 
future seems on the ice side or 

846
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,120
some other side of the water 
side, but not the fireside. 

847
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,640
There's there's almost nothing 
that you can look at in his 

848
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:12,000
talk. 
Anything he says that relates to

849
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,920
any of that, Only a little bit. 
Let's get into that now. 

850
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,760
This section is called Witch 
Songs. 

851
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,280
This is a particularly confusing
aspect to Patchface. 

852
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,720
Consider this when we when we 
compare him to other prophetic 

853
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:27,800
type characters. 
Not everything the ghost of high

854
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,880
heart says is prophecy. 
She has regular conversations, 

855
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:32,760
just says things right 
day-to-day. 

856
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,960
You know Not every single thing 
she says is prophetic. 

857
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,160
You can tell one from the other.
She's distinct. 

858
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,320
It's like when she's speaking in
prophecy. 

859
00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:42,560
I think George even puts it in 
italics. 

860
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,240
Either way, you can tell that 
it's just not some normal 

861
00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:49,000
conversation. 
She tells almost exactly what 

862
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,120
she's seeing as it comes into 
her mind, or at least that's 

863
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:52,720
what it seems like. 
She's not filtering it, she's 

864
00:46:52,720 --> 00:46:55,320
not trying to interpret it, She 
just says what images are in her

865
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,320
brain and lets you interpret 
that. 

866
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,960
But with patch face he's only 
got 1 mode. 

867
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:06,040
You can't tell the difference. 
There's no regular talking and 

868
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,440
prophetical talking, they all 
seem the same. 

869
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:12,360
It's all the same sing songy, 
hopping from one leg to another 

870
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:16,080
under the sea. 
Oh, oh, oh, he talks like that 

871
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,680
100% of the time. 
So there's no distinguishing 

872
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:20,240
his. 
He's not like he it's not like 

873
00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:22,600
he goes into a trance. 
Like that's some that's one way 

874
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,960
you see prophetic characters, 
not necessarily a song of Ice 

875
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,880
and fire, but that's a thing 
that happens. 

876
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,560
You know, like the TV show had 
Bran's eyes roll back in his 

877
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,840
head, which lots of movies and 
TV shows have done that. 

878
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,760
It's a it's a fairway of 
visually showing what's going 

879
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,240
on. 
But Patchbase doesn't do 

880
00:47:37,240 --> 00:47:40,520
anything like that. 
It just happens, right, Which is

881
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,080
part of why no one notices 
because if he went to if he went

882
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,280
into trances, that's noticeable,
right? 

883
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,000
Like what's going on? 
He every once in a while he 

884
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,720
freezes up and says some really 
weird stuff. 

885
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,720
Someone would start to associate
that with prophecy, especially 

886
00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:56,880
if they noticed that he was 
right once or twice. 

887
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,520
But apparently that's just never
happened because he just sings 

888
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,520
random weird stuff. 
And that's what they think. 

889
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,640
He's just some weird guy who's a
little messed up. 

890
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:10,680
That's their perception of him. 
Like this quote here. 

891
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,320
We eat fish. 
The fool declared happily, 

892
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,680
waving a cod about like a 
scepter. 

893
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,720
Under the sea, the fish eat us. 
I know, I know. 

894
00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:26,080
Oh, oh, oh. 
Most fish don't eat a person 

895
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,080
unless they're again dead and 
bloated. 

896
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,960
Sharks are an exception, of 
course. 

897
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,600
But yeah, I mean, he's not 
wrong. 

898
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,120
But yeah, I don't know if 
there's much to, I don't know if

899
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,720
there's much to glean from this 
one, but I do want my own COD 

900
00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:43,920
scepter. 
Ashaya, please take a note. 

901
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,600
I want a COD scepter. 
So this one actually seems 

902
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,160
almost straightforward. 
The other one's a little more 

903
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,120
metaphorical or hazy. 
It's like, maybe there is more 

904
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,640
to it, but you can take that one
on on face value and be like, 

905
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:58,680
well, yeah, he's he's right. 
I guess When Stannis orders 

906
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:02,520
Patch face to give the helm to 
Crescent, we get this line Quote

907
00:49:03,240 --> 00:49:06,200
Under the sea, no one wears 
hats. 

908
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,800
Hatchface said. 
I know, I know. 

909
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:08,880
Oh. 
Oh. 

910
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,960
Oh. 
Well, yeah, he already explained

911
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:13,160
that one, right? 
They weren't. 

912
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:14,760
They weave many moans in their 
hair. 

913
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:18,600
They don't wait, wear hats. 
This might be another example of

914
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,840
what I was just saying, how some
of the things Patchface says, 

915
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,560
they all sound the same in terms
of his cadence, his delivery. 

916
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,600
But they can't all be prophetic,
can they? 

917
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,400
Well, I guess they could be, but
that seems unlikely, right? 

918
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,720
I don't know if George writes a 
character that that's that's 

919
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:34,920
that one-dimensional, that 
extreme. 

920
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,840
Like every single thing he says 
is prophetic. 

921
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,600
Probably not. 
This might be an example of 

922
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,520
that. 
It's just he's saying things. 

923
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:43,840
It doesn't necessarily have to 
have a meaning. 

924
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,720
If you want to look at it for a 
meaning, be my guest. 

925
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:50,760
One idea I came up with 
underwater, when you're dead, 

926
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,760
you don't wear. 
There's no crowns underwater, 

927
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,960
there's no, it's like a rank 
thing. 

928
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,920
Everyone's equal underwater 
because if you're underwater, 

929
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:00,400
you're dead. 
If you're a person. 

930
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,960
It's the kind of a morbid 
comparison, like a morbid 

931
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:09,000
communism of, of bodies. 
You know, one idea I had long 

932
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,320
ago, I think a few other people 
probably considered this, is 

933
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:17,040
that could under the sea refer 
to the afterlife, a place that 

934
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,160
he would have spent two days 
when he was dead. 

935
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,120
He would have. 
His mind would have been 

936
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:23,440
elsewhere, and he would have 
been. 

937
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,960
Yeah, maybe those two days were 
under the sea. 

938
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,080
There would be shadows there, 
right? 

939
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:33,240
Dancing maybe. 
Ultimately, though, I think he 

940
00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:38,640
became what he is under the sea.
So I think that's, I don't think

941
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,880
we need to look deeper than 
that. 

942
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,800
There's the depth is already 
there, but it could be both. 

943
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,760
He could have been seeing 
visions of the afterlife 

944
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,320
filtered through the underwater 
haze of the fact that he was 

945
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,520
floating in the sea. 
You know, these these images can

946
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,400
mash together. 
Again, we have no basis for how 

947
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,120
any of this works. 
So we have to have a we have to 

948
00:50:58,120 --> 00:50:59,960
cast a wide net. 
I can't stop with the nautical 

949
00:50:59,960 --> 00:51:05,960
puns in terms of the using our 
imagination and coming to coming

950
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:09,680
up with ideas and possibilities.
Stannis is angry in this moment.

951
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:14,040
Of course that is normal. 
That's like a normal you could 

952
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,800
just guess is Stannis angry? 
He's if you bet, yes, you'll be 

953
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,280
right more than half the time. 
But again, I wonder if he could.

954
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,720
I wonder how much he is he 
annoyed by Patch face just 

955
00:51:23,720 --> 00:51:26,320
doesn't have patience for 
anything that's not important. 

956
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,760
You know, like anything that 
isn't about him becoming king, 

957
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:33,880
he doesn't care about if we jump
very far ahead into A Dance with

958
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,920
Dragons. 
When Solis wants to speak with 

959
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,760
John without Shereen there we 
get this line quote. 

960
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:45,320
Hatchface, be a good fool and 
take the Princess to her room. 

961
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:50,840
The bells on his hat rang. 
Away, away. 

962
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,280
The Fool sang. 
Come with me beneath the sea. 

963
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:59,360
Away, away, away. 
He took the little Princess by 

964
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,800
one hand and drew her from the 
room, skipping. 

965
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:07,040
Come with him beneath the sea. 
Why would you want to go back 

966
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:07,760
there? 
Was it? 

967
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,080
It kind of seems like the sea 
was unkind to you, Patches. 

968
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:15,880
But this raises A notable point.
Even though he drowned, even 

969
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:21,560
though it seems horrifying and 
creepy, he doesn't project fear 

970
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,240
of any of that. 
Like the only thing he seems to 

971
00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:27,520
be afraid of is, well, one one 
later he's afraid of. 

972
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,800
But I mean, that's a big 
imposing physical presence. 

973
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,920
It makes sense. 
And 11, like tries to grab him 

974
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:34,800
because he's sees him as like a 
toy. 

975
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:39,440
So yeah, he mentions going under
the sea. 

976
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,920
He mentions going back there. 
He mentions returning to the 

977
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:43,600
sea. 
He mentions marching to the sea,

978
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:48,480
all these different ways he 
refers to going back or being 

979
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,040
there. 
But he doesn't seem afraid of 

980
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,040
it. 
He doesn't seem like it's, he 

981
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,040
doesn't act like someone 
traumatized by the sea, even 

982
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:59,360
though he certainly has physical
trauma related to the sea. 

983
00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:01,720
So that's it. 
So if anything, he seems to have

984
00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:03,280
positive impressions of it, 
Right. 

985
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:04,040
Like it's some. 
Yeah. 

986
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:05,760
He's almost like he's think it's
a positive place. 

987
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,120
He likes Shereen. 
He wants to take care of her, be

988
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,200
a good friend, if that's the 
right word. 

989
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,400
So I don't think he would lead 
her to a place he thinks is 

990
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,680
dangerous, even if he's just 
singing about it, you know? 

991
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:20,800
Now when Solis names off the 
Knights of hers that she's 

992
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:26,080
marrying to Garrick Kings 
Blood's daughters, we get this 

993
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:30,400
line quote. 
Under the sea, men marry fishes.

994
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,760
Patchface did a little dance 
step, jingling his bells. 

995
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,080
They do, They do. 
They do. 

996
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:40,480
They marry fishes instead of 
birds. 

997
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,840
Remember he said birds swim 
underwater. 

998
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,320
Yeah, I don't. 
He has a very interesting, maybe

999
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,320
inconsistent take on zoology 
here. 

1000
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:51,440
Don't go to Patchface for your 
animal knowledge. 

1001
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,680
This could be taken like the old
mafia line, sleeping with the 

1002
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,720
fishes, right? 
You know, maybe another metaphor

1003
00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:00,480
for death, which is why I keep 
coming back. 

1004
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,040
Well, not keep coming back to 
why I have suggested the 

1005
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:07,680
possibility that it's combined 
with some sort of vision of the 

1006
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,720
afterlife because he keeps 
talking about things that are 

1007
00:54:09,720 --> 00:54:14,040
associated with death and under 
the sea often mixed together. 

1008
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,520
This could be a metaphorical 
description of a merling you 

1009
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:22,560
might call a Centaur, the 
marriage of man and horse, a 

1010
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:26,760
mermaid, merling, merman, 
whatever is a marriage in that 

1011
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:31,720
same context of fish and human. 
So maybe that's what he's 

1012
00:54:31,720 --> 00:54:34,360
talking about. 
Under the sea, men marry fishes.

1013
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:39,520
That's why 'cause he there's 
that other line about merwives 

1014
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,200
and he actually mentions 
mermaids and merwives multiple 

1015
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,480
times. 
So which does he mean? 

1016
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,560
Like which is he talking about? 
It's like he's using the 

1017
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,360
metaphor here. 
So we should be using metaphor 

1018
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,600
when we're understanding this. 
So, yeah, if he uses this 

1019
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,800
multiple ways, if he if he 
refers to merwives and mermaids 

1020
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,440
and men marrying fishes. 
Well, this is these are all 

1021
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:00,800
different angles. 
They're not they see, they don't

1022
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,360
quite line up as the same. 
So I think we're talking about 

1023
00:55:03,720 --> 00:55:05,400
slightly different scenarios at 
the very least. 

1024
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:07,960
Oh, Shay, I found another patch 
face cosplay. 

1025
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,680
Let's let's see that here. 
This is Annalise Rose from Kind 

1026
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:15,280
of Thrones 2019 on the Iron 
Throne where he belongs. 

1027
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,720
Yeah, absolutely. 
I did a little digging and I 

1028
00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:20,960
yeah, I was like, I thought I'd 
seen one more before. 

1029
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:24,360
So I've seen 2 patch faces at 
two different conventions. 

1030
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:29,440
So. 
Patch face Hard Home Travel 

1031
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:33,400
agent John tells Solis he's 
going to hard home and she's not

1032
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,200
happy about it but she's like 
well you I can't tell you what 

1033
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,200
to do but you're going to answer
to Stannis. 

1034
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,520
This is the only scene where we 
see Patchface sitting down. 

1035
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,120
He's cross legged at Shereen's 
feet while she's standing next 

1036
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,680
to her mother's thrown ish type 
chairs. 

1037
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,880
Not described as a throne but 
she's the only one sitting in a 

1038
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,440
chair which gives it a throne 
vibe. 

1039
00:55:53,720 --> 00:55:55,720
So Patchface isn't bouncing or 
singing. 

1040
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,840
Well not for long he didn't. 
He does very soon into the scene

1041
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:01,960
start doing both. 
Quote. 

1042
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:07,120
Upspoke Sir Melagorn, Lord Snow,
who will lead this ranging? 

1043
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,960
Are you offering yourself, Sir? 
Do I look so foolish? 

1044
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,520
Patchface jumped up. 
I will lead it. 

1045
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:20,560
His bells rang merrily. 
We will March into the sea and 

1046
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:24,480
out again under the waves. 
We will ride sea horses and 

1047
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:28,880
mermaids will blow seashells to 
announce our coming 000. 

1048
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,360
I think there's more word play 
by George there. 

1049
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,600
Malagorn says, do I look so 
foolish? 

1050
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:40,040
And Patchface is like, fool, you
say that's me, I guess I'll lead

1051
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:43,640
it, you know? 
And yeah, he says, oh, oh, oh, 

1052
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:45,520
three times. 
I mean, it's just three times, 

1053
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:49,480
but three times it's three 
blowing three horn blows. 

1054
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,440
They're up at the wall. 
This is the others land others 

1055
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:56,320
territory. 
That could be a connection there

1056
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,400
or something that George is 
trying to get us to think about.

1057
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:04,400
I could also relate to the 
Battle of Ice trick that we have

1058
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,040
theorized. 
Other people have theorized that

1059
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:11,160
is a popular fandom theory, 
which is that the phrase will be

1060
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:15,400
LED into onto thin ice and fall 
through it, and then Stannis 

1061
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:20,800
will recover the bodies and take
their uniforms and banners in 

1062
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,640
order to deceive the men inside 
Winterfell. 

1063
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,000
They'll show back up and be 
like, we need Stannis, let us 

1064
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,320
back in. 
And of course the Manderleys 

1065
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,600
would be with them because the 
Manderleys rode out with the 

1066
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,800
phrase, the Manderleys probably 
won't be the ones to fall 

1067
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,760
through the ice. 
They'll probably attack the 

1068
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:40,760
phrase from behind. 
So you have riding the you have 

1069
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,600
this recovering of the phrase, 
riding, going underwater and 

1070
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,200
then coming back, coming back 
out again. 

1071
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,000
So the phrase fall in the water,
their uniforms, their identity 

1072
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,800
come back out and mermaids 
blowing seashells to announce 

1073
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:54,680
they're coming to Winterfell. 
Something like that, right? 

1074
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,920
The Mangerleese could blow a 
horn upon their arrival to alert

1075
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:58,080
the castle that they've 
returned. 

1076
00:57:58,080 --> 00:57:59,320
Something like that, something 
like that. 

1077
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,440
And I want to point out 
something that we're going to 

1078
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:06,000
get to in a minute. 
This is shivering sea territory.

1079
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,360
When you're up in the north, 
you're dealing with the 

1080
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,360
Shivering Sea. 
When you're on the East Coast 

1081
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,240
anyway, which almost always we 
are farther South, it's the 

1082
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:14,720
Narrow Sea. 
That's where Patch Face was 

1083
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:16,840
drowned and the Narrow Sea near 
storms end up here. 

1084
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,040
It's a considered a different 
body of water, even though 

1085
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,280
they're linked. 
That's important for later. 

1086
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:25,480
Keep that thought in mind. 
Yeah, as far and remember what 

1087
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:32,240
happens at near Hardhome at sea.
We get dead things in the water,

1088
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,400
Miss Patch face like, hey, those
are my cousins. 

1089
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:38,240
I want to see. 
That's why he wants to lead this

1090
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,400
this March, because he's like my
cousins live there under the 

1091
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,280
water. 
I'm kind of like them. 

1092
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:47,720
I'm semi dead and yeah, creepy 
creepy. 

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00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:53,000
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the more we can glean from it. 

1113
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:55,400
So we'd appreciate if you took 
those few minutes, less than 5 

1114
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,720
probably, to get that in the can
and sent over to us. 

1115
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:03,760
There's a few miscellaneous 
items about Patch face that are 

1116
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,440
not directly related to him, 
just things that are said about 

1117
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,920
him. 
If you recall that Littlefinger 

1118
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:14,560
comes up with that scheme to. 
Spread the rumor that Solis and 

1119
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,600
patch face or Solis and patch 
face or Shereen's parents rather

1120
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:21,000
than Stannis and Solis and at 
first some of the other 

1121
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,080
councilors like that's just 
ridiculous. 

1122
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:26,560
No one's going to seems like too
over the top and and little 

1123
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:31,280
fingers like yes, exactly. 
That's how the commoners respond

1124
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,240
best. 
They will most latch on to 

1125
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:36,840
something ridiculous like that 
because they're just that 

1126
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:38,960
ignorant. 
That's Littlefinger's take and 

1127
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:43,000
Tyrion, oddly enough, this of 
all things, is something that 

1128
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,800
Tyrion notes about Littlefinger 
that makes him seem very 

1129
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,200
dangerous. 
He's like, this guy is a really 

1130
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:51,000
good liar. 
He knows how people think and 

1131
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,800
how best to manipulate them. 
And and he's bold with it too. 

1132
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:58,880
So it's the example of hatch 
face thrown into the mix as a a 

1133
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:03,360
way to denigrate Stannis. 
And it's that's what causes 

1134
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,840
Tyrion to up his realization of 
how dangerous little finger. 

1135
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,320
He already knew little thing was
dangerous, but this he's like, 

1136
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:12,040
let me adjust that even higher. 
At least this guy is really 

1137
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:17,560
dangerous. 
Prophetic categorization. 

1138
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:20,200
That's our next section here. 
Again, let's recall that the 

1139
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:22,400
ghost of High Heart is an 
example of someone who seems to 

1140
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:27,320
give raw visions, doesn't really
try to analyze, just says what 

1141
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,280
she sees. 
That's kind of what it seems to 

1142
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,960
me. 
Melisandre interprets her 

1143
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,600
visions, she gets the visions, 
and then tries to tell you what 

1144
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:36,720
she thinks they mean, with mixed
results. 

1145
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,120
Patchface doesn't do either of 
those things. 

1146
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:44,960
He's got no guile to manipulate,
nor does he have an ability to 

1147
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,400
even interpret what he's seeing.
Probably. 

1148
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:54,120
So he's mad he's a Cassandra. 
Again, that trope of a character

1149
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:57,520
who knows the future but no one 
pays attention to them 'cause 

1150
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:02,160
normally with that trope, 
Cassandra is goes mad or goes 

1151
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:05,080
it's. 
It's horrifying for her to have 

1152
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,000
everyone ignore her. 
Patchface doesn't seem to care 

1153
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:07,840
about that. 
He doesn't. 

1154
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:09,880
He doesn't seem bothered. 
He's just doing his thing, 

1155
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:13,840
ringing his bells, singing songs
and smiling, sort of. 

1156
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,600
He seems happy, or he's 
pretending to be, I don't know. 

1157
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:20,120
But he's not. 
He doesn't display anger or 

1158
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:26,440
upset or even much fear. 
Let's go back to Davos's first 

1159
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,640
chapter. 
During the Light Ringer 

1160
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:33,800
ceremony, just as Stannis is 
changing clothes to pull the 

1161
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:38,960
sword out of the flaming statue,
we get this quote. 

1162
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:44,280
Under the sea, smoke rises in 
bubbles and flames burn green 

1163
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:48,360
and blue and black. 
Hatchface sang somewhere. 

1164
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:53,880
I know, I know. 
Oh oh oh, he sang somewhere 

1165
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:57,480
Davos can't see him, but he's 
loud enough that Stannis can 

1166
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,480
that he can hear him from behind
Stannis's group and there's some

1167
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,880
other people there. 
It's a decent crowd here. 

1168
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:06,960
We have smoke rising in bubbles.
Before he mentioned air as dry 

1169
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:10,040
as bone. 
This is kind of similar I guess.

1170
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:13,320
Isn't smoke as dry as bone? 
Maybe, I don't know. 

1171
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:18,120
Again, I wouldn't say it's 
inconsistent, but patch face is 

1172
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:20,720
presents similar things 
differently. 

1173
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:24,600
Sometimes his metaphors are 
difficult to perceive. 

1174
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:30,120
I think this one's probably 
predicting the Battle of the 

1175
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:32,360
Blackwater, the smoke rising and
bubbles thing. 

1176
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,640
Let me go back to Nina talking 
about volcanic activity below 

1177
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:38,080
the sea. 
And those flames could burn 

1178
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:40,360
green and blue and black. 
No, they would. 

1179
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:42,720
There would be some red and 
orange even in the undersea 

1180
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:44,080
flames. 
So this is kind of why I think 

1181
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:47,240
of the Battle of the Blackwater.
You got the green flames from 

1182
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:48,760
the wildfire quite 
straightforwardly. 

1183
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:52,520
Black because it's the black 
water, and the black water was 

1184
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:55,320
on fire, and blue because, well,
that's the real color of water 

1185
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:57,880
and it was on fire too. 
Do you think at all it could 

1186
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:00,640
relate to like dragonglass, 
Obsidian or those like kind of 

1187
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,080
colors of of of dragon? 
Glass. 

1188
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,240
Those are some of the colors we.
Some of it's not all of the 

1189
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:07,000
colors though. 
I just that's what it made me 

1190
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:08,120
think of I. 
Think it's most of them though I

1191
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:09,680
think Purple's the only other 
one maybe? 

1192
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:11,880
Yeah, yeah, maybe that's a flaw 
in it. 

1193
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:15,400
I just dragonglass cute if you 
think of that as like flame made

1194
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:16,800
stone. 
I don't know. 

1195
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:19,360
There's something to that. 
Maybe that's a it's a good idea 

1196
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:21,280
because, yeah, it's it's flames 
underwater. 

1197
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:23,000
They wouldn't necessarily take 
the same. 

1198
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:24,920
It might be more symbolic. 
I don't know. 

1199
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:28,000
It's it's that's very tricky. 
Flames on waters makes me think 

1200
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:30,920
of the black water for sure. 
But yeah, it's these things can 

1201
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:32,760
have multiple meanings. 
George is very good at that. 

1202
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:34,920
And it maybe it's not the black 
water. 

1203
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:36,160
That's just certainly what I 
think, though. 

1204
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:40,880
Here's Davos having a somewhat 
random encounter with Patchface 

1205
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:44,840
quote. 
Then he heard a faint ringing of

1206
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:49,840
bells and a child's giggle, and 
suddenly the fool Patch face 

1207
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:53,760
popped from the bushes, 
shambling along as fast as he 

1208
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:57,320
could go with the Princess 
Shereen hot on his heels. 

1209
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,960
You come back now. 
She was shouting after him. 

1210
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:06,560
Patches, you come back. 
When the fool saw Davos, he 

1211
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:11,800
jerked to a sudden halt, bells 
on his antler tin helmet going, 

1212
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:17,520
tingling, tingling, hopping from
1 foot to the other, he sang. 

1213
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:21,400
Fool's blood, King's blood. 
Blood on the maiden's thigh. 

1214
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,720
But change for the guests and 
change for the bridegroom. 

1215
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:28,080
Aye, aye, aye. 
This is the most straightforward

1216
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:30,160
of his prophecies, I think, by 
far. 

1217
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:33,520
It's so clearly the Red Wedding.
Fool's blood. 

1218
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:37,040
Jingle Bell's death. 
King's blood, Rob's death. 

1219
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,680
Roslyn is the blood on the 
maiden's thigh. 

1220
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:44,040
She's was, you know, a maid, to 
use their terminology, before 

1221
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:45,480
the wedding. 
And there's the the bedding 

1222
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,000
ceremony happened while the 
slaughter was going on. 

1223
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:51,080
And chains for the bridegroom, 
Ed Muir, and chains, chain for 

1224
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,200
the guests. 
Lots of people like Great John 

1225
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:56,800
and others were captured. 
Very about as straightforward as

1226
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:58,520
you can get. 
This is almost ghost of high 

1227
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:00,840
heart level where it's just 
like, Yep, we know exactly what 

1228
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,000
you're talking about. 
It also rhymes very 

1229
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:05,800
straightforwardly and clearly. 
Some of the other ones I kind of

1230
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:07,880
had to work to make them rhyme 
or they just didn't rhyme at 

1231
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:09,840
all. 
Like the meter wasn't even Even 

1232
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:15,440
so, which I think is on purpose.
He's not gonna, he's a little 

1233
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:18,240
off. 
So his songs will be off rhythm 

1234
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:20,520
or maybe off key. 
I can almost imagine him singing

1235
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:24,400
like inconsistently. 
This bell sound is different. 

1236
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:27,000
Ting A Ling, Ting a Ling. 
We had to clang a Dang and bong 

1237
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:28,920
along and all that. 
I think you got some new bells 

1238
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:32,320
y'all. 
And now here's at the wall. 

1239
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:36,440
Here's another similar ish 
version, one that I think might 

1240
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:42,520
be prophetic quote. 
They found her Grace sewing by 

1241
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:46,440
the fire whilst her fool danced 
about to music. 

1242
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:51,120
Only he could hear the cowbells 
on his antlers clanging. 

1243
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:53,480
The Crow. 
The Crow. 

1244
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:56,320
Patchface cried when he saw 
John. 

1245
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,560
Under the sea, the crows are 
white as snow. 

1246
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:02,480
I know, I know. 
Oh, oh, oh. 

1247
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:08,800
This is very similar to the 
Davos example because Davos has 

1248
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:10,720
nothing to do with the Red 
Wedding, right? 

1249
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:13,320
Nothing at all. 
He's not even loosely connected 

1250
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:16,680
to it. 
So patch face seeing him 

1251
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:19,520
suddenly stopping and then 
talking about the Red Wedding. 

1252
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:22,120
Why did he do that? 
Why did Davos? 

1253
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:25,520
Well, who else is he going to do
it for if it's in the Storm's 

1254
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:26,840
End? 
I mean, at at Dragonstone 

1255
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,120
there's no other POV, so maybe 
it's just that. 

1256
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:32,760
But it proves, or at least 
heavily suggest that the 

1257
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:36,680
prophetic things he says aren't 
necessarily connected to who's 

1258
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:39,560
standing around him. 
He might just like randomly have

1259
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:41,920
visions and thoughts and he 
blurts them out when they 

1260
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:43,760
happen. 
They may not have anything to do

1261
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:45,080
necessarily with what's around 
him. 

1262
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:48,760
Or consider the brain of an 
insane person. 

1263
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:51,080
Who knows what kind of 
connections are made in a brain 

1264
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:52,800
like that. 
It's certainly hard for us to 

1265
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:56,560
perceive because our brains, I 
hope, aren't like that. 

1266
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:59,760
They aren't insane, they aren't 
waterlogged or whatever. 

1267
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:03,800
So this one is, well, John. 
You can almost connect this one 

1268
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:07,800
to John, right? 
But maybe not like Dabo, Patrice

1269
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:12,360
never uses proper names. 
That's a a interesting note on 

1270
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:15,280
his character. 
He doesn't ever say Solis or 

1271
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:18,520
Shereen or Davos. 
So he just says things. 

1272
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:20,840
So he says so when he sees John 
and says the crow. 

1273
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:22,520
The crow. 
That's a little more fitting 

1274
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:27,600
because the nights watcher often
called crows, but he says the 

1275
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:29,800
crow. 
He doesn't say a crow, He says 

1276
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:32,160
the crow. 
Yes, John's the Lord Commander. 

1277
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:34,640
You could say he's the Lord 
Crow, the the crow. 

1278
01:08:35,319 --> 01:08:38,120
But yeah, he's at the wall. 
There's crows everywhere. 

1279
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:41,080
There's lots of nights Watchmen 
all about. 

1280
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:45,040
So yeah, Patchface saw the white
Raven before. 

1281
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:47,960
So he's already kind of seen a 
white. 

1282
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:50,000
Does Patchface know the 
difference between a crow and a 

1283
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,000
Raven? 
And kind of dubious he would be 

1284
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:55,240
able to tell, but. 
And he's also already called 

1285
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:58,080
fish underwater birds. 
I mean, crows are obviously 

1286
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:03,640
birds, but white, the only white
crow I know of his blood Raven, 

1287
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,319
he's very white because of his 
albinism and he's a three eyed 

1288
01:09:06,319 --> 01:09:08,200
crow. 
So he's pretty special crow. 

1289
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:09,680
He could be the crow, maybe 
that. 

1290
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:12,600
But why does seeing John make 
him say that? 

1291
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:18,600
Maybe because they're related in
both bloodline and literally 

1292
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:19,880
related. 
They're, you know, they have 

1293
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:22,000
they're both Targaryen, so 
they're related in that sense. 

1294
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:24,640
But they always have old gods 
magic within them. 

1295
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:26,600
One's a Blackwood, one's a 
Stark. 

1296
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,040
It's kind of thin, but it's 
something. 

1297
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:34,000
Remember that Melisandre saw 
Bran and Bloodraven in one of 

1298
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,520
her visions during her POV, and 
they were kind of symbolic, 

1299
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:38,800
right? 
She saw Bran as a boy with a 

1300
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:41,640
wolf's face. 
And Bloodraven was a tree man of

1301
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,000
some sort, which is he's in a 
tree, he's part of a tree. 

1302
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:49,200
That makes sense, right? 
What would happen if Bran met 

1303
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:50,920
Patchface? 
What would he see? 

1304
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:54,840
Or if he envisioned one or Jojen
saw what how that manifest in 

1305
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:57,040
one of their visions, right. 
What? 

1306
01:09:57,040 --> 01:10:00,080
What does Patchface look like 
through the eyes of other 

1307
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:02,600
prophetic slash magical beings? 
You haven't really seen that. 

1308
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,080
Melisandre has, though. 
Melisandre's the exception. 

1309
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:07,600
We have seen that and she thinks
he's scary. 

1310
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:09,240
She thinks he's dangerous. 
More on that in a minute. 

1311
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:14,080
So other people like what is has
Patchface seen any of them? 

1312
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:16,840
Has Patchface had visions of 
Melisandre flipping that script?

1313
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:18,720
Has Patchface seen visions of 
John? 

1314
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:20,640
That would make sense. 
That might explain why he 

1315
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,880
stopped suddenly and delivered a
prophetic line when he saw Jon 

1316
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:27,160
Snow. 
But again, if we view him as a 

1317
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:31,920
prophetic vessel, like being 
whose mind was altered in a way 

1318
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:37,160
that enables supernatural 
beings, deities, whatever, to 

1319
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:41,440
broadcast through him, for lack 
of a better word, maybe to use 

1320
01:10:41,440 --> 01:10:47,480
the way HP Lovecraft did, it was
the most artistic creative minds

1321
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:52,040
were the most sensitive minds. 
And when the big evils of the of

1322
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:56,840
the Cthulhu mythos would appear 
or be active, it was the people 

1323
01:10:56,840 --> 01:11:00,280
that were the biggest dreamers 
that were the first ones to be 

1324
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:01,880
affected by this. 
They would sense it coming. 

1325
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:03,840
These are people who are 
prophetic, but they would have 

1326
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:07,880
prophetic visions of this 
because of this great old one or

1327
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:11,360
this super, super, super 
supernatural being a very 

1328
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:14,960
powerful thing. 
It's it's it's power is so great

1329
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:19,000
that it's projecting like 
wavelength, like dream 

1330
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:22,360
wavelength, like radio waves of 
dreams that the most sensitive 

1331
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:26,080
people, they have the receptors 
to pick that up patch faces sort

1332
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:29,280
of like that where he's 
operating on that wavelength, 

1333
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:31,600
but to operate on that 
wavelength, you can no longer 

1334
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:34,520
operate like a normal person. 
Which brings us to this next 

1335
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:39,880
section called mad Oracle, which
is the name of the TV tropes 

1336
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:42,960
category that he best fits into.
There's already that's ATV trope

1337
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:44,840
mad Oracle. 
He's definitely that. 

1338
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:47,720
He also fits the court jester 
trope. 

1339
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:52,840
Like very rarely does 1 
character have only one trope if

1340
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:57,280
they fit into court jester trope
is generally used to disguise 

1341
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:00,400
someone like a someone who's 
really strong or powerful or has

1342
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:02,800
hidden heritage hidden as a 
court jester. 

1343
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:07,960
That is not really what's been 
done here, but it's sort of is. 

1344
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:12,280
It's not hiding any sort of 
hidden heritage or he's a secret

1345
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:15,520
king or whatever, but he is 
hidden as a prophet. 

1346
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:17,680
Not to us, but to the characters
in the world. 

1347
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:20,280
Nobody has any idea in the world
that he's got prophetic 

1348
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:22,040
abilities, but pretty much all 
of us do. 

1349
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:26,440
So that's a big, like in world 
two reader dichotomy there. 

1350
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:29,960
It's an interesting idea for a 
character concept, a person with

1351
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:34,280
prophetic powers that doesn't go
mad from the powers. 

1352
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:36,320
That happens a lot. 
We see a lot of characters in A 

1353
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:38,920
Song of Ice and Fire and in a 
lot of other stories and real 

1354
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:41,400
world myths where prophetic 
powers drive someone mad. 

1355
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:42,960
It's bad to see behind the 
curtain. 

1356
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:45,000
It's bad to see the future. 
It'll mess you up. 

1357
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:48,520
Patchface doesn't bother him 
because he's already kind of 

1358
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:51,840
messed up. 
You know, there's one theory 

1359
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:56,520
that maybe he had prophetic 
powers before his drowning and 

1360
01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:59,800
that the drowning has made him 
unclear. 

1361
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:04,600
Maybe Stefan noticed that. 
I kind of doubt it though. 

1362
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:07,920
Why would Stefan Baratheon 
notice this kids prophetic 

1363
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:09,720
abilities when the slavers 
missed it? 

1364
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:11,200
Doesn't seem that likely. 
Why? 

1365
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:12,640
Why Stefan Baratheon of all 
people? 

1366
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:14,400
What does he have some 
connection to the supernatural 

1367
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:16,400
that we're not aware of? 
It doesn't seem like he would be

1368
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:18,120
that knowledgeable about such 
things. 

1369
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:21,560
If he was speaking intelligibly,
you know, someone might have 

1370
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:24,920
caught on. 
But I suspect most people around

1371
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:27,240
Patchface just reflexively 
ignore him. 

1372
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:28,840
They're just like this guy just 
rambles. 

1373
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:30,600
They don't, They don't bother 
thinking about a single thing he

1374
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:32,680
says other than, you know, 
Shereen. 

1375
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:35,760
And if he's just repeating 
himself all the time, you 

1376
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:37,000
understand why you'd shut him 
out. 

1377
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:38,680
If he's a singer, let's come to 
dance, my Lord. 

1378
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:42,240
Like, all day for several weeks.
Yeah. 

1379
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:45,000
You would ignore that. 
I think most people would. 

1380
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:48,040
So in terms of that trope of a 
hidden, you know, the court 

1381
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:50,160
jester hidden power, he might 
actually have hidden strength 

1382
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:54,360
after all, Not the kind of, you 
know, ancestral strength, like 

1383
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:56,080
having being a secret king or 
whatever. 

1384
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:59,720
But when Shereen maybe needs it,
maybe when Shereen's in danger, 

1385
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:04,160
he might deliver somehow. 
Because personally, I think 

1386
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:06,640
Patchface is more likely to help
Shereen than harm her. 

1387
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:09,400
But we have to be open to both 
possibilities, I think. 

1388
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:14,560
I also like to draw a comparison
to Patchface and Quaithe because

1389
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:20,360
Quaithe is the Imps hard to 
understand prophetic figure that

1390
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:22,480
keeps popping up and confusing 
Danny. 

1391
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:25,560
Now the difference here of 
course is Patch face is not 

1392
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:29,760
connected to anyone POV person. 
He is connected to Shereen of 

1393
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:31,440
course. 
So he is connected to a young 

1394
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:34,240
Princess Royal type. 
In fact Danny and Shereen aren't

1395
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:37,320
that far apart in age really. 
I mean these are important years

1396
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:40,240
when you're 12 to like 16. 
Those are every year counts for 

1397
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:43,240
a lot, but they're not it's not 
a big kind of giant difference, 

1398
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:46,000
we'll say. 
So Quaithe talks about the 

1399
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:48,720
shadow. 
So does Patch face talk about 

1400
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:50,680
shadows? 
Different shadow, I think in 

1401
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:52,640
this case, but there's some 
overlap there. 

1402
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:54,200
He talks about the depths, 
right? 

1403
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:57,040
So there's some associations 
there, but he talks more about 

1404
01:14:57,040 --> 01:15:00,320
the fire, shadow and fire, where
he's more about shadow and 

1405
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:04,080
depths and death and all that. 
So it's I think it's a pretty 

1406
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:11,440
good parallel memories of the 
deep, as in what the heck did 

1407
01:15:11,440 --> 01:15:14,080
Patch face see when he was down 
there, when he was floating 

1408
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:16,000
around for two days? 
Was he underwater? 

1409
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:19,440
Was he floating on the surface? 
What did he quote UN quote see 

1410
01:15:19,440 --> 01:15:21,440
or experience perhaps is a 
better word. 

1411
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:24,320
If we operate under the 
assumption that when he says 

1412
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:26,760
under the sea, it's not some 
weird metaphor that he really 

1413
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:32,920
does mean under the sea, then he
might be through his visions or 

1414
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:35,840
his ramblings. 
He might be projecting bits and 

1415
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:38,920
pieces of what he remembers from
being down there, like under the

1416
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:43,120
sea men, Mary Fish, some that's 
some version of what he 

1417
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:46,160
witnessed through the haze of 
trauma and insanity. 

1418
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:49,280
And Davos, remember, Davos has a
similar experience, right? 

1419
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:52,920
He probably did sort of drown. 
Like, it's kind of inexplicable 

1420
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:54,600
what happened there. 
Davos sinks under the water and 

1421
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:55,960
the next thing you know, he's 
washed ashore. 

1422
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:59,640
Like, how did he get back from 
sinking to up? 

1423
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:02,040
It seems like there may have 
been something involved. 

1424
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:04,600
Maybe just, you know, maybe just
the current pulled threw him 

1425
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:06,880
back up on the surface. 
But it's a little strange, 

1426
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:09,080
right? 
And he sees, when he sees Patch 

1427
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:11,560
Face shortly after returning 
from that ordeal, he's like, 

1428
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:15,400
maybe I'm mad, like him. 
So Davos actually compares 

1429
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:21,560
himself to Patch Face briefly. 
And despite the confusion or the

1430
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:25,760
suggestion of supernatural 
elements around Davos's 

1431
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:29,000
drowning, there's no suggestion 
that he's now prophetic. 

1432
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:32,040
Nothing remotely about Davos. 
That's like, Oh, yeah, no, I can

1433
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:34,280
tell the future. 
Hey, how about that? 

1434
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:35,840
I drown. 
That's how that works. 

1435
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:38,680
Apparently, so many of the iron 
born can see the future because 

1436
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:40,560
of the drownings. 
Not really because they don't do

1437
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:42,960
the real drownings. 
They just use a lake, you know, 

1438
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:45,400
dunk your head in a barrel. 
Some of them do the good 

1439
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:49,760
drownings, you know, but it's 
still not two days underwater or

1440
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:50,960
whatever. 
It's nowhere near that. 

1441
01:16:51,480 --> 01:16:54,360
So Aaron Damper, you know, he 
had his own drowning of the 

1442
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:58,280
sorts when he was lost at sea 
during the battle against 

1443
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:00,680
Stannis, of all people. 
A nice kind of funny indirect 

1444
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:03,960
connection there. 
And when Aaron came back up, he 

1445
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:07,200
was a changed man. 
But we've seen his POV doesn't 

1446
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:10,040
really seem like he's got true 
prophetic abilities. 

1447
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:12,400
There's that one scene where 
he's sort of is hearing the 

1448
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:15,440
voice of the Drowned God. 
And that might be legitimate. 

1449
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:18,320
But there's also this is the 
suggestion that he's kind of 

1450
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:20,920
hearing what he wants to hear. 
And he's also just like putting 

1451
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:23,080
himself in a very strange place.
He gets, he takes his clothes 

1452
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:25,280
off, gets into the very icy 
water and sits there for a 

1453
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:27,000
while. 
And it it's almost like he does 

1454
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:29,320
kind of go into a trance, but it
doesn't necessarily seem 

1455
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:31,320
supernatural. 
It could be, though. 

1456
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:33,800
We can't eliminate that. 
Pretty much you can almost never

1457
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:36,120
completely eliminate 
supernatural possibilities from 

1458
01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:39,200
from, well, just almost any A 
Song of ice and fire topic. 

1459
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:41,400
Another one who drowns is 
Tyrion. 

1460
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:45,840
He drowns sort of drowns in the 
in the Roin right now. 

1461
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:47,920
He falls overboard with the 
stone man and gets pulled back 

1462
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:51,080
up by Jon Connington. 
So you know that another person 

1463
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:54,080
that seemingly drowns and 
doesn't get prophetic powers. 

1464
01:17:54,840 --> 01:18:01,280
So, so is this, let's bring 
bring back this question, the 

1465
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:05,800
Drowned God, is he some sort of 
prophet or evidence or relation 

1466
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:08,960
to the drowned God or that style
of magic, for lack of a better 

1467
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:13,120
word, that category of magic. 
What right Aaron says he can. 

1468
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:16,120
Like I said a minute ago, Aaron 
complaints that so many Ironborn

1469
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:18,840
don't do true drownings anymore.
They like, they just do this 

1470
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:21,880
weak water on your head type. 
It's basically the baptism. 

1471
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:24,680
It's not even a drowning. 
It's hardly even a baptism 

1472
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:26,360
really. 
So, Aaron. 

1473
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:28,200
But it what what did what 
happened to Patch Face? 

1474
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:30,920
Like I said, nothing even close 
to what even Aaron thinks is a a

1475
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:34,520
proper ironborn drowning. 
He's a truly drowned man. 

1476
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:37,160
Patch Face is y'all aren't 
drowned, Aaron. 

1477
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:39,520
You never lost a single person 
to drowning. 

1478
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:41,680
They all came back. 
They weren't actually drowned. 

1479
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:44,720
Yeah, their lungs filled with 
water, but they weren't dead. 

1480
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:47,400
They weren't there two days. 
Man, that's such a huge 

1481
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:50,280
difference. 
Forget Lotos, Forget the Shrike.

1482
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:51,800
Forget Aaron. 
Damp hair. 

1483
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:54,840
Patch Face is the real drowned 
prophet. 

1484
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:59,720
This is a great way to just mock
the entire clown, the entire 

1485
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:02,560
religion, make fools of them 
all. 

1486
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:06,600
On the other hand, he does not 
seem harder and stronger. 

1487
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:08,480
He did not rise harder and 
stronger. 

1488
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:12,320
What is dead may never die, but 
rises again, singing and 

1489
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:15,560
dancing. 
It's not quite how they say that

1490
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:19,920
phrase, is it? 
Here's a funny connection all 

1491
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:22,360
the way back to the prologue of 
Book One. 

1492
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:26,920
Will says. 
My mother told me the dead men 

1493
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:31,040
sing no songs. 
If Patchface is dead or quasi 

1494
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:33,400
dead, he's singing lots of 
songs. 

1495
01:19:34,480 --> 01:19:37,840
Waymar Royce retorted. 
There are things to be learned 

1496
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:41,920
even from the dead. 
Got to give one to Waymar there.

1497
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,040
The ultimate fool in the 1st 
chapter. 

1498
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:46,960
But Waymar isn't wrong about 
everything. 

1499
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:50,400
He made several good points 
before getting himself killed. 

1500
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:52,840
So there are he's right. 
There are things to be learned 

1501
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:55,440
from even from the dead. 
He wasn't thinking of undead, 

1502
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:59,000
but he's kind of he's right 
about regular Dead 2. 

1503
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:02,520
If we extend his his point into 
the undead, it's even more 

1504
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:04,680
right. 
One of my favorite tinfoil 

1505
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:07,160
theories associated with the 
Song of Ice and Fire is the Deep

1506
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:08,560
Ones. 
You know, actually they aren't 

1507
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:11,200
really a tinfoil theory. 
There's very strong evidence 

1508
01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:13,560
they exist. 
It's written about in the world 

1509
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:14,800
of Ice and Fire and other 
places. 

1510
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:18,520
It's just there's not a lot of 
hard evidence, just a lot of 

1511
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:21,080
stories and histories. 
But a lot of it. 

1512
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:23,760
So it that adds up to some 
pretty strong. 

1513
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:25,960
We have a strong reason to 
believe it's real. 

1514
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:30,200
Again, the deep ones sound 
terrifying, especially because 

1515
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:32,360
they're like, yeah, they mate 
with human women. 

1516
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:36,040
And the Lovecraft deep Ones, 
they the similar thing happens. 

1517
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:39,120
You slowly turn into one. 
You don't know you are one until

1518
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:42,440
you begin transforming. 
So we can't assume that's the 

1519
01:20:42,440 --> 01:20:47,280
same thing. 
But again, that's terrifying. 

1520
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:50,560
That's scary. 
Nothing Patchface describes 

1521
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:53,040
about the Deep seems that scary.
Not to him, anyway. 

1522
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:55,520
He doesn't seem. 
He's not expressing horror at 

1523
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:58,640
what he saw down there. 
So that is a strike against the 

1524
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:01,400
Deep Ones there, because it's 
hard to imagine someone just 

1525
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:05,160
embracing that totally without 
being one of them, which maybe 

1526
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:06,800
he is, but he's not really. 
He's not showing that 

1527
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:09,080
transformation or anything. 
He's not showing any signs of 

1528
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:11,120
it. 
They are said to be blissful. 

1529
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:13,920
You know when you fully 
transform into a Deep 1 and go 

1530
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:17,160
join them below the water? 
It's you're joining your own 

1531
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:18,800
people. 
It's supposed to be like that, 

1532
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:22,040
but from the outside, it's 
ridiculously creepy. 

1533
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:24,440
Let's return to the idea of 
Merlings. 

1534
01:21:24,440 --> 01:21:28,080
While we're at on the top 
subject of underwater beings, 

1535
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:33,000
there is also evidence of them 
well beyond just sailor stories.

1536
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:35,560
Of course, there's also a lot of
sailor stories, and of course 

1537
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:39,720
they are probably the undersea 
creature that Patchface refers 

1538
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:42,720
to the the most. 
He refers to Mer wives, mermen, 

1539
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:45,880
mermaids, and I believe he used 
the term Merlin as well. 

1540
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:47,400
So like all these different 
terms that are basically the 

1541
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:51,200
same thing, The Drowned God 
supposedly has merlings at his 

1542
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:58,320
court and the Grey King of all 
people beings figures is also 

1543
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:01,600
said to have wed a mermaid drown
God. 

1544
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:05,400
Priests. 
Part of their religious believe 

1545
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:08,600
part of their scripture for lack
of a better word, is that the 

1546
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:11,800
Ironborn are closer genetically 
speaking. 

1547
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:14,000
They don't use the word 
genetically obviously, they just

1548
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:17,200
say relation or whatever. 
The Ironborn are closer 

1549
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:20,920
genetically to fish and merlings
than humans are then they are to

1550
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:22,720
humans, rather. 
So Ironborn are closer to fish 

1551
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:24,560
and merlings than they are to 
humans. 

1552
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:28,160
Which I don't know if I would go
that far, but the suggestion is 

1553
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:29,800
very interesting, very 
intriguing. 

1554
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:32,240
And even even if it's not quite 
true, even if it's only partly 

1555
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:35,720
true, whoa, There's some pretty 
big, pretty big implications of 

1556
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:38,280
that. 
A Maestro Theron connected all 

1557
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:42,520
these things, claiming that the 
Deep Ones are the origin of 

1558
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:46,920
tales about Merlings and the 
Merlings in turn inspired the 

1559
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:49,640
religion of the Ironborn. 
And the Deep Ones do live 

1560
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:51,360
beneath the sea. 
They're very powerful. 

1561
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:53,800
According to all the tales that 
so does the Drowned God. 

1562
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:58,000
That is an absolutely strong 
parallel, strong link, which 

1563
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:00,920
might indicate we're referring 
to the same being or one of the 

1564
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:02,640
same beings. 
Maybe the the Drowned God is a 

1565
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:05,360
very strong, very powerful 
particular Deep One. 

1566
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:10,120
There's two types of Merlings 
that we're told there's the more

1567
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:14,720
common, I guess they're light 
skinned with maybe green hair, 

1568
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:20,080
lighter, you know, lighter 
colored tails and that's this. 

1569
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:23,120
Those would be the ones that 
exist in the Narrow Sea and most

1570
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:24,520
elsewhere where Patch face 
drowned. 

1571
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:27,640
If you go to the northern, the 
Shivering Sea, remember I told 

1572
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:29,520
you to hold on to that thought 
about the Shivering Sea and the 

1573
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:33,120
merlings. 
That's where the other more 

1574
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:35,840
aggressive, more dangerous 
species of Merlin supposedly 

1575
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:38,280
live. 
They're pale skinned and black 

1576
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:40,560
tailed, right. 
So that's their that's their 

1577
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:45,800
distinct look. 
So if Patch Face has any true 

1578
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:48,120
experience with merlings, it 
makes sense that his his 

1579
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:54,040
memories, his relation to them, 
it makes sense that they're pie.

1580
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:58,160
It's a positive association 
because he drowned in the region

1581
01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:03,480
of the nicer mermaids. 
The Merlin King is a specific 

1582
01:24:03,480 --> 01:24:06,200
God of the Narrow Sea. 
The Merlin King. 

1583
01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:08,160
There's a statue in the House of
Black and white. 

1584
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:13,200
We don't have a great 
description of the statue, but I

1585
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:18,120
connect it to that quote about 
nanny moans and silver seaweed 

1586
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:21,680
gowns where we theorize that 
perhaps this is an image of 

1587
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:26,320
Merlin royalty. 
Which Merlin King would be the 

1588
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:28,320
ultimate example of Merlin 
royalty? 

1589
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:31,480
I mean, silver seaweed gowns 
doesn't sound like everyday 

1590
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:33,320
attire. 
That sounds pretty fancy. 

1591
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:36,480
That sounds like it could be 
Royal Court type stuff, or maybe

1592
01:24:36,480 --> 01:24:39,760
just all the merlings are the 
the royalty of the undersea, you

1593
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:41,600
know, And there's, this is the 
one that's above them all. 

1594
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:43,880
There's this Spears of the 
Merlin King. 

1595
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:46,920
Davos washed up on those. 
That's where he was stranded for

1596
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:52,400
a while. 
Let's discuss Patchface as a 

1597
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:55,560
person. 
Pathos for Patchface. 

1598
01:24:56,040 --> 01:25:00,720
We should feel bad for this guy.
Crescent steals the sympathy in 

1599
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:03,040
the in his prologue chapter. 
Fair enough. 

1600
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:06,360
It's his POV and he dies during 
it, so let him have center stage

1601
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:10,240
during his death. 
But Patchface is not only silly 

1602
01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:12,600
and weird and creepy, he's 
unintentionally part of the 

1603
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:17,560
mockery right around Crescent's 
death, which can trick us 

1604
01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:21,120
readers into not really thinking
about his humanity. 

1605
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:25,520
He's so off putting, so strange,
so different that you might not 

1606
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:28,600
consider his humanity, but he's 
kind to Shireen. 

1607
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:30,680
At least it seems like he's kind
to Shireen. 

1608
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:33,000
He's certainly company to her 
and and her to him. 

1609
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:34,480
I think that counts for 
something. 

1610
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:39,320
And whether he was enslaved 
young or born into slavery, we 

1611
01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:41,320
don't know, but it's sad either 
way. 

1612
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:45,280
This is someone with the kind of
talent that comes along very 

1613
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:49,920
rarely, but it has to be. 
It's forced into the talent, is 

1614
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:52,200
forced to be using for someone 
else's entertainment. 

1615
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:54,080
He's not given any respect for 
it. 

1616
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:56,320
They don't appreciate his 
talent, it's just an 

1617
01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:57,400
entertainment. 
They just believe. 

1618
01:25:57,400 --> 01:26:01,240
They believe they deserve it. 
It's their due as Royals or high

1619
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:04,760
nobles. 
And think about how painful a 

1620
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:08,640
full face tattoo must be on a 
boy. 

1621
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:14,080
Ouch. 
Damn, Nina had a great point 

1622
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:16,040
here. 
Patchface is an interesting 

1623
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:21,120
exploration of how George likes 
to assign and explore the costs 

1624
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:24,040
to magic, especially prophecy. 
It's often quite severe. 

1625
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:27,640
Characters associated with magic
who have magical powers very 

1626
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:34,000
often have severe drawbacks, 
crippling other elements. 

1627
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:37,200
A Bran. 
Obviously Darren the Drunken is 

1628
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:41,880
traumatized by his dreams. 
Jojen Reed, right he Jojen Reid 

1629
01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:44,920
didn't have dreams until he was 
stricken with Gray water fever 

1630
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:48,680
brand didn't start having his 
dreams until he was thrown from 

1631
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:51,480
the window by Jamie there on the
drunken. 

1632
01:26:51,480 --> 01:26:54,560
He can't understand what he's 
seeing, but he's trying not to. 

1633
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:57,720
He's drinking himself into a 
stupor so he doesn't have 

1634
01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:03,560
dreams. 
So Patch Face is the unusually 

1635
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:06,920
immune to that because he's got 
the ultimate ignorance is bliss 

1636
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:11,560
type situation going on where he
doesn't know that he's 

1637
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:15,080
delivering secrets that no one 
should know. 

1638
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:19,200
He doesn't even recognize his 
own very unusual abilities. 

1639
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:23,160
Probably even Arya going to the 
House of Black and White even 

1640
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:25,000
there's a huge cost for that 
magic. 

1641
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:26,800
You have to give up your own 
identity. 

1642
01:27:27,480 --> 01:27:29,200
They want her to not be Arya 
anymore. 

1643
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:31,720
What a trade off. 
That's a huge sacrifice. 

1644
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:34,400
Arya doesn't want to completely 
do it, and I can understand why.

1645
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:37,400
And Bloodraven very much agrees 
with this. 

1646
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:39,000
He says this is how the Old Gods
do it. 

1647
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:42,720
Quote the the Chosen Ones are 
not robust and their quick years

1648
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:45,840
upon the earth are few. 
For every song must have its 

1649
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:48,040
balance. 
By the way, I wish I had caught 

1650
01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:50,920
that line when writing the What 
is the Song of Ice and Fire 

1651
01:27:51,480 --> 01:27:54,040
episode, because every song must
have its balance for this 

1652
01:27:54,440 --> 01:27:57,400
subtopic is pretty cool. 
Not a big deal, but I couldn't 

1653
01:27:57,400 --> 01:28:01,400
have possibly found there's 500 
instances of the word song in A 

1654
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:03,320
Song of Ice and Fire. 
So, you know, I did look that 

1655
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:05,720
up. 
So yeah, Bloodraven himself, 

1656
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:09,000
even he lost an eye. 
That's a very odnesque. 

1657
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:12,240
He maybe gave up that eye, 
metaphorically speaking, for 

1658
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:14,400
power, for for supernatural 
power. 

1659
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:17,840
A bit of barrack is is present 
here as well, somewhere between 

1660
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:22,160
life and death. 
But a type of undead that is 

1661
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:25,800
pretty explicitly unrelated to 
the others, like Lady 

1662
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:29,400
Stoneheart, probably, maybe and 
but also not relorist your patch

1663
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:32,040
faces. 
You can't associate him with the

1664
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:35,640
undead relorists, the raising 
the dead, the resurrection from 

1665
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:38,800
their side of things or from the
other side of it. 

1666
01:28:39,440 --> 01:28:41,480
This doesn't seem to fit though.
So that just makes them even 

1667
01:28:41,480 --> 01:28:43,960
more unique. 
We don't know who is powering 

1668
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:46,880
what magical energy, what deity,
for lack of a better word, is 

1669
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:49,320
powering Patch face. 
And I mentioned to Nina this 

1670
01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:52,120
could be worthy of an episode. 
This whole concept of the 

1671
01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:56,400
sacrifices or the force 
sacrifices or the gods only 

1672
01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:59,400
giving power to those who have 
that balance, that's a, that's a

1673
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:04,840
deep topic. 
That creature is dangerous. 

1674
01:29:05,480 --> 01:29:08,080
Well, I just got through telling
you to feel sorry for him. 

1675
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:12,920
Nevertheless, empathy doesn't 
mean you ignore danger. 

1676
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:15,240
He can be both. 
He can be a care, an object of 

1677
01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:17,600
sympathy and empathy, and also 
someone that's dangerous. 

1678
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:21,200
Melisandre seems to believe he 
is dangerous, and that's our 

1679
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:24,280
basis for this topic, besides 
the fact that he seems creepy 

1680
01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:26,440
and anyone who seems creepy 
might be dangerous. 

1681
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:28,840
So Melisandre actually said that
specifically. 

1682
01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:31,240
She said that creature is 
dangerous. 

1683
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:32,920
She doesn't even refer to him as
a human. 

1684
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:34,840
She refers to him as that 
creature, which is a bit 

1685
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:37,800
telling. 
In A Dance of Dragons, John 

1686
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:41,160
meets Patchface and of course so
many other folks do at the wall.

1687
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:44,600
John is immediately creeped out,
which is unusual because most 

1688
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:46,200
people aren't creeped out by 
Patchface. 

1689
01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:49,240
They just kind of think he's, 
you know, harmless. 

1690
01:29:49,240 --> 01:29:51,000
They think he's weird, but not 
but harmless. 

1691
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:54,200
They don't see the danger there.
John very insightful. 

1692
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:57,240
He is creeped out and that's 
telling. 

1693
01:29:57,800 --> 01:30:02,720
Also, having Patchface at the 
wall, that's notable. 

1694
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:05,840
This is a guy that was talking 
about shadows for a while. 

1695
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:08,360
Over and over, he was talking 
about shadows. 

1696
01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:11,680
Again, we tried to relate or 
played around with the 

1697
01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:15,240
possibility that those are 
Melisandre's shadows or those 

1698
01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:20,880
are Miri Mazdor's shadows. 
But again, the only shadows that

1699
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:25,120
come to stay seem to be the 
others, at least so far. 

1700
01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:28,800
And here we get a little bit of 
a change to what Patchface is 

1701
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:31,200
saying. 
It seems like his his his words 

1702
01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:34,480
at the wall are different than 
his words of Dragonstone. 

1703
01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:38,960
Here's an example quote. 
In the dark, the dead are 

1704
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:42,880
dancing. 
Patchface shuffled his feet in a

1705
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:45,840
grotesque dance step. 
I know, I know. 

1706
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:50,600
Oh, oh, oh. 
At Eastwatch, someone had sewn 

1707
01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:54,960
him a motley cloak of Beaver 
pelts, sheepskins and rabbit 

1708
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:58,200
fur. 
His hat sported antlers hung 

1709
01:30:58,200 --> 01:31:03,560
with bells and long brown flaps 
of squirrel fur that hung down 

1710
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:07,720
over his ears. 
Every step he took set him to 

1711
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:10,680
ringing. 
What is this? 

1712
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:13,560
What is a grotesque dance? 
Steph, I really want someone to 

1713
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:15,960
do this, what they think this 
dance would look like. 

1714
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:18,160
Yeah, it's very. 
It's quite a line, isn't it? 

1715
01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:21,040
And this is what John is like. 
He he's, this is how we know 

1716
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:24,400
that John is creeped out. 
It's that line, grotesque dance 

1717
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:25,400
step. 
It's like, yeah. 

1718
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:26,440
What does that mean? 
I don't know what. 

1719
01:31:26,440 --> 01:31:29,040
I think that means other than 
that, I think maybe John is 

1720
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:31,520
grossed out by Patch face's 
obesity. 

1721
01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:35,720
It could be that's my theory is 
that it's it's like he he looks 

1722
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:38,680
gross dancing because I don't 
know what dance move. 

1723
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:42,760
Like you could shuffle your feet
and could could just like, be 

1724
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:45,160
that grotesque. 
I wonder if Patch Face is obese 

1725
01:31:45,160 --> 01:31:48,120
because he starved during the 
siege of Storms End and then 

1726
01:31:48,120 --> 01:31:49,800
he's just like, now I have food,
I'm going to eat. 

1727
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:50,840
I'm never going to have that 
happen. 

1728
01:31:50,840 --> 01:31:53,320
It's going to eat and eat 
because I don't want to be like 

1729
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:56,000
that again. 
Cotter Pike sent a letter to 

1730
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:59,040
John ahead of time before 
Stannis's court shows up. 

1731
01:31:59,160 --> 01:32:02,760
And you mentioned Patchface. 
Pike didn't have anything really

1732
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:06,120
to say about Patchface other 
than he's a simpleton. 

1733
01:32:06,440 --> 01:32:10,640
John's like, OK, that's, that 
was selling it short here, Pike.

1734
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:12,640
But this is Cotter Pike. 
This is a very hard man. 

1735
01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:16,720
This is an Ironborn guy who is 
in command at Eastwatch by the 

1736
01:32:16,720 --> 01:32:18,240
sea. 
Very hard place to be. 

1737
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:21,440
So a Pike is just too hardened 
to be creeped out by Patchface. 

1738
01:32:21,640 --> 01:32:25,200
This is the guy who said dud 
things in the water, dead things

1739
01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:26,720
in the sea, you know, are dead 
things on. 

1740
01:32:26,720 --> 01:32:27,640
Yeah. 
Dead things in the land, dead 

1741
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:28,760
things in the water. 
Whoa. 

1742
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:32,760
So he, he's it's kind of a 
understated way to describe the 

1743
01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:35,320
horror going on. 
So, yeah, I, I don't think Pike 

1744
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:36,920
is too worried about a guy like 
Patchface. 

1745
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:39,640
Maybe he should be, but he he 
just can't be bothered. 

1746
01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:43,800
So if he's touched from the 
drown by the drown God, wouldn't

1747
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:47,080
Melisandre see something like 
that because she sees skulls and

1748
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:50,400
blood on his lips when she 
perceives him in her visions? 

1749
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:53,080
There's nothing nautical or 
aquatic remotely about that. 

1750
01:32:53,080 --> 01:32:57,840
There's no like krakens or 
tentacles or sea bubbles or 

1751
01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:01,400
color of water, nothing. 
I mean, that's just not watery 

1752
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:03,800
at all. 
But that line in the dark, the 

1753
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:05,520
dead are dancing. 
Whoa. 

1754
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:08,400
That's yeah, that's that's a big
one. 

1755
01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:10,120
Because the others only come at 
night, right? 

1756
01:33:10,120 --> 01:33:11,480
And they're they bring their 
servants at night. 

1757
01:33:11,480 --> 01:33:13,920
So and the dead are their 
servants. 

1758
01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:16,320
That's a big one. 
Very big one, Right y'all? 

1759
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:18,760
Hannah? 
Joe comments. 

1760
01:33:18,760 --> 01:33:20,680
He danced like Elaine in 
Seinfeld. 

1761
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:22,840
Little kicks. 
That's hilarious. 

1762
01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:25,280
Yeah, I have a really clear 
picture of it now. 

1763
01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:29,200
That is pretty grotesque, you 
know, that she came up with that

1764
01:33:29,200 --> 01:33:30,600
on her own. 
Yeah, I did. 

1765
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:32,440
Julia Louis Dreyfus. 
Yeah, she just, like, worked it 

1766
01:33:32,440 --> 01:33:33,600
out. 
She figured it out at home and 

1767
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:35,240
with her mother apparently 
helping her, like, which is the 

1768
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:38,760
weirdest one of these, you know?
So good job, Julia. 

1769
01:33:39,680 --> 01:33:42,560
So I I briefly touched on this a
minute ago. 

1770
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:45,120
Now the patch race is at the 
wall as he's seeing different 

1771
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:50,720
things if he's a conduit for 
visions from above or from 

1772
01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:52,800
another place, from another 
dimension, from from the 

1773
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:54,760
deities, whatever lack of a 
better word there. 

1774
01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:57,360
Well, it would make some sense 
that he's these would be 

1775
01:33:57,360 --> 01:33:59,600
different if he's in a different
place, especially a place like 

1776
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:02,960
the wall, the hinge of the 
world, where there's magical 

1777
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:04,720
association. 
Not just magical association, 

1778
01:34:04,720 --> 01:34:07,440
but more powers there. 
Melisandre says. 

1779
01:34:07,440 --> 01:34:09,440
Hey, anything I do here is going
to be more powerful. 

1780
01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:11,720
That should apply to pouch face 
too, I think. 

1781
01:34:12,240 --> 01:34:14,000
And there's definitely a change 
in what he's saying. 

1782
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:15,920
I've already pointed that out, 
which might be a direct 

1783
01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:18,440
relation. 
Wheezy squeeze box says he's 

1784
01:34:18,440 --> 01:34:20,760
twerking. 
That would be grow. 

1785
01:34:20,920 --> 01:34:22,000
Patch face. 
Twerking. 

1786
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:23,480
That's grow. 
OK, good one. 

1787
01:34:23,480 --> 01:34:26,760
Yeah, that's that's tough to 
imagine and it is grotesque. 

1788
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:35,960
Next up, patch face meets 11 The
Giant quote. 11 gaped at him 

1789
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:40,360
with fascination, but when the 
giant reached for him, the fool 

1790
01:34:40,360 --> 01:34:43,240
hopped back away, jingling. 
Oh no. 

1791
01:34:43,240 --> 01:34:45,120
Oh no. 
Oh no. 

1792
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:48,480
That brought 11 lurching to his 
feet. 

1793
01:34:48,720 --> 01:34:52,480
The Queen grabbed hold of 
Princess Shereen and pulled her 

1794
01:34:52,480 --> 01:34:54,760
back. 
Her Knights reached for their 

1795
01:34:54,760 --> 01:34:59,920
swords, and Patch, face reeled 
away in alarm, lost his footing,

1796
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:05,640
and plopped down on his arse in 
a snowdrift. 11 began to laugh. 

1797
01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:10,560
A giant's laughter could put to 
shame a Dragon's roar. 

1798
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:15,280
Patchface covered his ears. 
Princess Shereen pressed her 

1799
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:19,160
face into her mother's furs, and
the boldest of the Queen's 

1800
01:35:19,160 --> 01:35:22,400
Knights moved forward, steel in 
hand. 

1801
01:35:23,320 --> 01:35:27,800
I actually find him covering his
ears as a very human gesture, 

1802
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:30,600
something that brings it back 
around a little that he's 

1803
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:34,840
grotesque and unhuman and 
unsettling and off putting. 

1804
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:38,800
This is just a very normal thing
to do. 

1805
01:35:39,440 --> 01:35:42,600
It's like, yeah, it's loud. 
He's he's reacting like 

1806
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:45,680
everybody else. 
It's one of the few times he's 

1807
01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:48,200
reacting the same way. 
Like the group is reacting like 

1808
01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:51,040
he's having a very normal human 
reaction to this, which is 

1809
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:55,000
again, an argument for some, at 
least some, if not more sympathy

1810
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:57,360
for this character. 
But again, don't ignore the 

1811
01:35:57,360 --> 01:35:58,800
danger just cuz you have 
sympathy. 

1812
01:35:59,480 --> 01:36:03,000
Almost everyone else is ignoring
the danger, but not really. 

1813
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:04,520
Maybe, maybe that's not the 
right way to put it. 

1814
01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:06,400
They aren't aware of it. 
They they're not ignoring it, 

1815
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:09,560
they just don't perceive it. 
I wonder if he foresaw this. 

1816
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:11,840
Like, did he see a giant in one 
of his visions or did he see 

1817
01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:14,760
himself falling into the snow? 
Did he hear that roar in his 

1818
01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:17,400
dreams? 
Does he, has he seen anything 

1819
01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:19,640
about all the violence that 
breaks out at the wall shortly 

1820
01:36:19,640 --> 01:36:21,680
after this? 
Did he see, you know, John 

1821
01:36:21,680 --> 01:36:25,120
getting stabbed like Melisandre?
Did you know daggers in the 

1822
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:26,760
dark? 
Well, he sees dead dancing in 

1823
01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:27,960
the dark. 
Is that similar? 

1824
01:36:28,160 --> 01:36:32,280
Does he see Jon Snow? 
Is one of these dead dancing? 

1825
01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:35,280
What would happen if Ghost and 
Patchface met? 

1826
01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:37,400
I don't think that's happened. 
And if it has, we haven't heard 

1827
01:36:37,400 --> 01:36:39,240
about it. 
What would Ghost think of 

1828
01:36:39,240 --> 01:36:42,240
Patchface's smell? 
The direwolf's reaction to 

1829
01:36:42,240 --> 01:36:44,120
Patchface would be very 
interesting. 

1830
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:45,960
What does he smell like to a 
direwolf? 

1831
01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:47,440
They have that such sensitive 
noses. 

1832
01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:50,960
Yeah, if Patchface would be 
scared like he was of the giant,

1833
01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:52,320
or if he's just like, hey, 
that's a dog. 

1834
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:54,160
It's a lot would depend on how 
Ghost reacted to him. 

1835
01:36:54,160 --> 01:36:57,120
If Ghost is friendly, Patchface 
probably not too worried about 

1836
01:36:57,120 --> 01:36:59,680
it. 
If Ghost growls at Patchface, we

1837
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:03,720
should all take note. 
Of course, if Ghost growls at 

1838
01:37:04,240 --> 01:37:09,360
Patchface in the near future, 
it's while John is dead. 

1839
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:14,120
That would mean John is perhaps 
powering that growl, for lack of

1840
01:37:14,120 --> 01:37:16,640
a better word. 
John will be in the midst of his

1841
01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:18,320
second life, and it would be him
growling. 

1842
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:20,320
Ghost doesn't growl, let's be 
clear. 

1843
01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:22,480
So snarling, you know, raising 
his teeth. 

1844
01:37:22,480 --> 01:37:26,800
Showing his teeth soundlessly. 
If Ghost did make a sound, what 

1845
01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:30,040
a great way for George to 
demonstrate that it's John in 

1846
01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:33,000
there, because Ghost on his own 
wouldn't do that. 

1847
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:38,120
But if John's in there, that'd 
be a really cool way to have to 

1848
01:37:38,120 --> 01:37:40,680
be like, to show the 
distinction, be like, whoa, 

1849
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:44,080
Ghost barked. 
It never happened before. 

1850
01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:52,240
Skulls and bloody lips. 
So last of all, Mel's point of 

1851
01:37:52,240 --> 01:37:56,680
view of we we get some more 
ideas on Patchface Now before 

1852
01:37:57,160 --> 01:38:01,720
she pointed out that when she 
sees Patchface, she sees skulls 

1853
01:38:01,720 --> 01:38:05,400
around him and bloody lips. 
Here we have this quote here in 

1854
01:38:05,400 --> 01:38:09,240
a second, but Mel's under first.
She warned Crescent she wasn't 

1855
01:38:09,240 --> 01:38:12,360
afraid of him, right? 
But all along she's been 

1856
01:38:12,360 --> 01:38:14,760
concerned about Patchface and 
calls him creature, as we'll see

1857
01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:20,160
in a minute before her POV, she 
says this extremely weighty 

1858
01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:23,280
thing during the wedding of 
Alice Karstark and Sigourne 

1859
01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:28,760
Magnar of Fen quote. 
Sarah Melagorn offered his arm, 

1860
01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:33,360
and Queen Solis took it stiffly.
Her other hand settled on her 

1861
01:38:33,360 --> 01:38:36,760
daughter's shoulder. 
The royal ducklings fell in 

1862
01:38:36,760 --> 01:38:41,080
behind them as they made their 
way across the yard, marching to

1863
01:38:41,080 --> 01:38:43,760
the music of the Bells on the 
Fool's Hat. 

1864
01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:49,160
Under the sea, the mermen feast 
on starfish soup and all the 

1865
01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:53,320
serving men are crabs. 
Hatchface proclaimed as they 

1866
01:38:53,320 --> 01:38:55,280
went. 
I know, I know. 

1867
01:38:55,280 --> 01:39:00,840
Oh, oh, oh. 
Melisandre's face darkened. 

1868
01:39:01,480 --> 01:39:06,880
That creature is dangerous. 
Many a time I have glimpsed him 

1869
01:39:07,160 --> 01:39:11,360
in my flames. 
Sometimes there are skulls about

1870
01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:14,880
him and his lips are red with 
blood. 

1871
01:39:15,800 --> 01:39:19,000
This could be an example of not 
everything Patchface says is 

1872
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:20,840
prophecy. 
Crabs. 

1873
01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:23,040
What is that? 
Celtigar mermen? 

1874
01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:24,680
That's manually. 
That's connected to something 

1875
01:39:24,680 --> 01:39:27,680
that happened around this time, 
which is the Frey pie thing. 

1876
01:39:27,680 --> 01:39:31,120
It was a soup, not pie, but 
maybe Patchface can't tell the 

1877
01:39:31,120 --> 01:39:33,360
difference. 
A line that really sticks out to

1878
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:37,640
me many a time. 
I've limped him in the flames. 

1879
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:42,240
Melisandre sees him many a time.
OK, Wow. 

1880
01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:45,440
Weird, interesting, peculiar, 
scary. 

1881
01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:48,240
And she's looking for other 
things, right? 

1882
01:39:48,240 --> 01:39:52,040
She looks for specific things, 
like we, for example, she talks 

1883
01:39:52,040 --> 01:39:54,480
about how she's trying to see 
Stannis, and she ends up seeing 

1884
01:39:54,480 --> 01:39:58,440
John. 
And so who does? 

1885
01:39:58,600 --> 01:40:01,640
Who is she trying to see when 
she sees Patchface that we don't

1886
01:40:01,640 --> 01:40:04,680
know? 
So this is a way of making it a 

1887
01:40:04,680 --> 01:40:07,760
little more tangible that we're 
all guessing at Patchface being 

1888
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:11,200
dangerous. 
Eventually it's hard to see how 

1889
01:40:11,200 --> 01:40:13,800
and why and what the danger 
actually is. 

1890
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:15,760
That's the thing that kind of 
gets me. 

1891
01:40:16,200 --> 01:40:18,600
He's got a limp, he's soft, he's
overweight. 

1892
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:21,760
What exactly is the danger from 
this guy? 

1893
01:40:22,480 --> 01:40:25,080
Anyone could be a danger, you 
know, with a knife in hand, I 

1894
01:40:25,080 --> 01:40:27,720
guess. 
But like, who's he going to go 

1895
01:40:27,720 --> 01:40:31,800
after Shereen, the one person 
that he seems to care about? 

1896
01:40:31,800 --> 01:40:34,880
I guess I just, I find that hard
to believe. 

1897
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:38,720
And it seems like Shereen's fate
is absolutely tied elsewhere to,

1898
01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:44,960
you know, a, a bonfire. 
So yeah, what is the deal here? 

1899
01:40:45,160 --> 01:40:52,080
Melisandre is completely immune 
to some suggestions of danger. 

1900
01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:53,960
There's a lot of things where 
like, oh, this is dangerous. 

1901
01:40:53,960 --> 01:40:55,920
And Mel's under like, Nah, I'm 
not worried about that. 

1902
01:40:56,240 --> 01:40:57,560
I'm not worried about that at 
all. 

1903
01:40:58,160 --> 01:41:01,520
So there's a lot of things she 
has that attitude towards this. 

1904
01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:05,280
So this really stands out that 
she not only thinks patch face 

1905
01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:09,880
is dangerous, but she has seen 
this vision many a time. 

1906
01:41:11,720 --> 01:41:14,040
Very telling. 
I don't know exactly what it's 

1907
01:41:14,040 --> 01:41:18,560
telling, but it's very telling. 
So the skull, what do the skulls

1908
01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:21,360
mean? 
I mean, they're a symbol of 

1909
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:23,880
death, I guess. 
But who's death? 

1910
01:41:24,320 --> 01:41:27,320
Or that he is dead, that he is 
partly a dead being. 

1911
01:41:27,320 --> 01:41:30,480
That might be why she sees the 
skulls, but lots of skulls. 

1912
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:33,680
It might imply lots of death, 
lots of people dying and that 

1913
01:41:33,680 --> 01:41:35,920
would be beyond him. 
That would maybe, but he might 

1914
01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:39,880
be the reason why bloody lips 
and many traditions are a marker

1915
01:41:39,880 --> 01:41:42,320
for murderer. 
You mark a a killer that way. 

1916
01:41:42,480 --> 01:41:45,160
You portray it through visions 
or imagery. 

1917
01:41:45,680 --> 01:41:48,280
It's a long standing literary 
tradition. 

1918
01:41:48,480 --> 01:41:52,760
It can express what a person is 
capable of, such as in extreme 

1919
01:41:52,760 --> 01:41:55,800
circumstances. 
What if Shireen is burned? 

1920
01:41:55,800 --> 01:41:57,880
What? 
Maybe that gives him lots of 

1921
01:41:57,880 --> 01:42:01,520
adrenaline and wakens something 
within him that we can't 

1922
01:42:01,520 --> 01:42:06,200
perceive currently. 
It should be said as well that 

1923
01:42:06,200 --> 01:42:10,240
skulls and bloody lips, early 
skulls and red lips are the 

1924
01:42:10,840 --> 01:42:14,600
House Lawnmouth sigil, but they 
aren't really connected to any 

1925
01:42:14,600 --> 01:42:17,240
of this. 
Richard Lawnmouth was called the

1926
01:42:17,240 --> 01:42:20,280
Night of Skulls and Kisses. 
He was Rhaegar's Squire and he 

1927
01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:22,320
hasn't been seen for a long. 
He's probably dead. 

1928
01:42:23,160 --> 01:42:25,320
The only other really Lawnmuth 
we know about is Joffrey 

1929
01:42:25,320 --> 01:42:27,240
Lawnmuth, who was Leinor 
Valerian's lover. 

1930
01:42:27,240 --> 01:42:31,000
So this is, you know, more than 
200 years in the past he was 

1931
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:33,920
killed by Kristen Cole. 
So like, can't really connect 

1932
01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:37,240
that here. 
During that wedding of Allison 

1933
01:42:37,240 --> 01:42:41,680
Sigourne, Owen the oaf dances 
with Patchface again, a way to 

1934
01:42:41,680 --> 01:42:44,400
sort of dial down threatening 
elements of him. 

1935
01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:47,160
It's like right and right after 
Mel and John are kind of worried

1936
01:42:47,160 --> 01:42:48,840
about him. 
George is like, let me try to 

1937
01:42:48,840 --> 01:42:51,560
conceal a little of this here, 
Let me let me cover my tracks. 

1938
01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:53,960
I gave you some clues that he's 
dangerous, but now I'm going to 

1939
01:42:53,960 --> 01:42:56,480
suggest maybe he isn't. 
I'm going to see if you remember

1940
01:42:56,480 --> 01:42:59,160
that right, because it's it's a 
long series. 

1941
01:42:59,160 --> 01:43:01,920
Maybe you forgot what he 
originally set up for patch face

1942
01:43:02,280 --> 01:43:05,240
and here at the end of a dance 
with Dragons he's it was kind of

1943
01:43:05,240 --> 01:43:07,880
nice moment where on the elf is 
dancing with Patchface. 

1944
01:43:07,880 --> 01:43:09,720
It's like, hey, hardly anyone 
would ever do that. 

1945
01:43:09,720 --> 01:43:12,320
Patchface is usually going to be
kind of shunned or just ignored.

1946
01:43:12,600 --> 01:43:14,880
So this is a person apart from 
Shireen that's actually 

1947
01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:17,480
interacting with him. 
That's a little it's not like a 

1948
01:43:17,480 --> 01:43:19,760
big plot point, but I think it's
nice to note. 

1949
01:43:20,400 --> 01:43:25,960
So again, I don't think he's a 
danger to Shireen, but so let's 

1950
01:43:25,960 --> 01:43:31,560
consider that possibility along 
with the fate of Shireen and a 

1951
01:43:31,560 --> 01:43:35,240
few ideas as to, well, maybe he 
is dangerous and what could that

1952
01:43:35,240 --> 01:43:38,040
mean and why? 
But before we leave this 

1953
01:43:38,040 --> 01:43:42,000
section, there's one last point.
John wonders sarcastically 

1954
01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:43,240
internally. 
Like I said, wonders. 

1955
01:43:43,240 --> 01:43:46,240
He doesn't say it out loud. 
Just if, if this creature is 

1956
01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:48,240
dangerous, why haven't you 
burned him? 

1957
01:43:49,280 --> 01:43:50,360
It might be foreshadowing, 
right? 

1958
01:43:50,360 --> 01:43:52,320
That's the kind of thing that 
George kind of tosses lightly. 

1959
01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:54,160
And maybe Melisandre will burn 
patch face. 

1960
01:43:54,200 --> 01:43:56,760
Yikes. 
More likely, though, is that she

1961
01:43:56,760 --> 01:43:59,200
burns Shereen. 
So let's talk about the fate of 

1962
01:43:59,200 --> 01:44:04,200
Shereen. 
Yeah, we've talked about the 

1963
01:44:04,200 --> 01:44:07,880
prophecy, the foreshadowing, 
Mel's comments, but what's going

1964
01:44:07,880 --> 01:44:10,560
to trigger the danger from 
Patchface? 

1965
01:44:10,560 --> 01:44:12,440
It seems like it's something 
that has to be a trigger, I 

1966
01:44:12,440 --> 01:44:13,840
think, or some event, because 
it's. 

1967
01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:18,360
He hasn't done a single like, 
dangerous, evil, bad thing. 

1968
01:44:18,360 --> 01:44:20,440
He's only come off as creepy. 
He hasn't actually done 

1969
01:44:20,440 --> 01:44:22,440
anything. 
What if they go to the night 

1970
01:44:22,440 --> 01:44:24,000
Fort? 
That's on tap, Right? 

1971
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:26,880
Stannis's court is supposed to 
move to the night Fort. 

1972
01:44:27,120 --> 01:44:29,880
That would take Patchface there,
is he not? 

1973
01:44:31,120 --> 01:44:34,560
In addition to being an 
ironically perfect unfunny court

1974
01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:38,400
jester for two unfunny king and 
queen, the unfunny king and 

1975
01:44:38,400 --> 01:44:42,240
queen combo, Stannis and Solis. 
He a court jester at the Night 

1976
01:44:42,240 --> 01:44:44,040
Fort? 
Seems about right. 

1977
01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:50,360
This guy, Yeah, the darkest 
jester you can imagine belongs 

1978
01:44:50,360 --> 01:44:55,320
there. 
If going to the wall changed the

1979
01:44:55,320 --> 01:44:59,920
tone, Timber, whatever his 
visions, whatever he's saying, 

1980
01:44:59,920 --> 01:45:01,760
going to the Night Fork could 
affect that too. 

1981
01:45:02,320 --> 01:45:04,160
You could be seeing all sorts of
different things. 

1982
01:45:04,160 --> 01:45:08,760
That place has a lot of history,
some dark, dark history. 

1983
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:12,760
There's some possibility there. 
And again, we've been talking 

1984
01:45:12,760 --> 01:45:15,200
about Ironborn connections. 
Well, more Drowned God 

1985
01:45:15,200 --> 01:45:17,800
connections, but indirectly 
connected to the Ironborn. 

1986
01:45:17,800 --> 01:45:24,320
If he's a Drowned God avatar of 
some kind, then this might come 

1987
01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:34,320
around because Stannis is the 
holder of Asha and Theon as 

1988
01:45:34,320 --> 01:45:37,320
captives. 
What if either or both of them 

1989
01:45:37,320 --> 01:45:39,360
go there? 
I have long theorized that the 

1990
01:45:39,360 --> 01:45:46,040
Night Fort POV will be Asha, the
person who isn't used to any of 

1991
01:45:46,040 --> 01:45:48,160
this. 
She's the one that isn't in the 

1992
01:45:48,160 --> 01:45:50,080
midst of it. 
She's just a witness and had no 

1993
01:45:50,080 --> 01:45:51,400
idea any of this was even 
coming. 

1994
01:45:51,400 --> 01:45:52,920
That kind of makes her perfect 
for it. 

1995
01:45:53,160 --> 01:45:54,680
The moon, who will be shocked by
it? 

1996
01:45:55,400 --> 01:45:56,960
And she's already been set up 
for this. 

1997
01:45:56,960 --> 01:46:00,920
She already witnessed a burning.
Those four people burned the 

1998
01:46:00,920 --> 01:46:02,480
ones who were can't turn 
cannibal. 

1999
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:05,840
Stannis being kind of a 
hypocrite there 'cause Stannis 

2000
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:08,080
was prepared to eat bodies 
during the siege of Storms End. 

2001
01:46:08,120 --> 01:46:11,360
And, and by the way, Patchface 
might have been one of the first

2002
01:46:11,360 --> 01:46:15,880
people they ate if they did do 
that 'cause they would think him

2003
01:46:15,880 --> 01:46:18,520
the most expendable. 
Good thing that didn't happen. 

2004
01:46:18,840 --> 01:46:24,160
So This is why I think Asha is 
very likely apov candidate for 

2005
01:46:24,160 --> 01:46:25,920
the night for it. 
Of course, it could be Theon, it

2006
01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:28,280
could be Melisandre, and Davos 
is another possible. 

2007
01:46:28,280 --> 01:46:30,040
There's actually several 
possibilities and it could 

2008
01:46:30,600 --> 01:46:32,160
obviously no reason. 
It can only be one of them. 

2009
01:46:32,160 --> 01:46:34,760
It could be multiples. 
So, yeah. 

2010
01:46:34,760 --> 01:46:36,560
So what would he do if he turns 
dark? 

2011
01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:38,760
What? 
What kind of damage could he 

2012
01:46:38,760 --> 01:46:41,440
inflict? 
He's not some kind of swordsman.

2013
01:46:41,440 --> 01:46:44,040
He's limping. 
He's again, soft and obese. 

2014
01:46:44,040 --> 01:46:46,640
Like, doesn't come off as 
dangerous physically, right? 

2015
01:46:47,160 --> 01:46:50,080
But something is, you know, 
powering those dreams that 

2016
01:46:50,080 --> 01:46:53,400
Melisandre is having. 
He it's also notable that 

2017
01:46:53,400 --> 01:46:56,520
Melisandre refers to him being 
dangerous, but he doesn't refer 

2018
01:46:56,520 --> 01:47:00,880
to him being dangerous to her. 
And she is careful to make that 

2019
01:47:01,080 --> 01:47:03,120
distinction. 
She looks for again, she looks 

2020
01:47:03,120 --> 01:47:05,120
for danger to herself every 
morning, first thing in the 

2021
01:47:05,120 --> 01:47:07,160
morning. 
Am I going to die today? 

2022
01:47:07,160 --> 01:47:08,480
Is someone going to come after 
me today? 

2023
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:09,280
No. 
OK. 

2024
01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:12,240
What else am I going to look at?
What else am I going to 

2025
01:47:12,240 --> 01:47:15,120
envision? 
So if that maybe that day comes 

2026
01:47:15,120 --> 01:47:17,280
where he's like, oh, this is the
day Patchface is coming for me. 

2027
01:47:18,040 --> 01:47:22,440
Unless something like that 
happens, then her instinct or 

2028
01:47:22,440 --> 01:47:25,240
her vision that he's going to do
something is going to be 

2029
01:47:25,240 --> 01:47:28,400
unrelated to her unless she's 
just wrong, which is possible. 

2030
01:47:29,080 --> 01:47:31,960
Now, the one person he could 
physically overpower is Shireen.

2031
01:47:31,960 --> 01:47:35,760
But again, like, I just don't 
see that he like trusts her. 

2032
01:47:35,760 --> 01:47:38,280
She's the one person that is his
friend. 

2033
01:47:38,840 --> 01:47:40,200
But maybe we should consider 
that. 

2034
01:47:40,200 --> 01:47:44,360
Maybe we should consider that he
would harm Shireen or, and I 

2035
01:47:44,360 --> 01:47:47,440
think more likely he will react 
to someone else harming. 

2036
01:47:47,560 --> 01:47:50,520
Hey, that's my only friend. 
You're burning at the stake. 

2037
01:47:51,640 --> 01:47:58,320
So if Patchface's song start to 
turn towards something that 

2038
01:47:58,320 --> 01:48:01,040
reflects burning, that'll be a 
change. 

2039
01:48:01,040 --> 01:48:03,680
He hasn't talked about burning 
at all except for fire under the

2040
01:48:03,680 --> 01:48:05,400
sea, the blue, black, green 
thing. 

2041
01:48:05,400 --> 01:48:07,040
That's the only time I think he 
refers to fire. 

2042
01:48:07,760 --> 01:48:11,640
So if he starts talking more 
about fire, uh oh, watch out. 

2043
01:48:11,640 --> 01:48:15,440
That could be the Shereen bit. 
Just as Melisandre warns of 

2044
01:48:15,440 --> 01:48:20,600
Patch Face, Val warns of Shireen
dangerous pair of youngsters. 

2045
01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:26,720
Apparently the two afflicted 
outcasts could disconnect. 

2046
01:48:27,160 --> 01:48:31,960
Could patch face be somehow the 
mechanism that reactivates her 

2047
01:48:31,960 --> 01:48:34,000
grayscale? 
I really can't conceive of how, 

2048
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:36,400
but it's an idea that's out 
there. 

2049
01:48:36,840 --> 01:48:40,240
And if we want to try to find a 
way to connect these plot lines 

2050
01:48:40,240 --> 01:48:43,880
that are verging on each other, 
overlapping each other, that's a

2051
01:48:44,160 --> 01:48:47,680
that's an idea at least 
something maybe maybe similar 

2052
01:48:47,680 --> 01:48:50,160
ideas are better, maybe 
something maybe this leads to, 

2053
01:48:50,160 --> 01:48:51,640
maybe this sparks other 
thoughts. 

2054
01:48:52,120 --> 01:48:57,400
But it's interesting that both 
of these figures are considered 

2055
01:48:57,400 --> 01:49:03,320
dangerous when and it's if the 
danger in Shirene is sleeping 

2056
01:49:03,400 --> 01:49:06,240
the the grayscale is sleeping 
within her, which is what Val 

2057
01:49:06,240 --> 01:49:07,760
says. 
Maybe the danger is sleeping 

2058
01:49:07,760 --> 01:49:09,360
within Patchface. 
It's just something hasn't 

2059
01:49:10,200 --> 01:49:12,000
triggered that yet. 
Someone hasn't triggered that 

2060
01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:13,960
awakening. 
Yeah, this could be linked. 

2061
01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:19,800
So yeah, if she's burned, he 
could go berserk. 

2062
01:49:19,800 --> 01:49:21,600
He could attack Melisandre, 
right? 

2063
01:49:21,600 --> 01:49:24,680
That could be a reason why Mel 
sees him as a danger, because 

2064
01:49:25,240 --> 01:49:28,520
she is the one in danger. 
She just hasn't perceived that 

2065
01:49:28,520 --> 01:49:31,160
yet because she's the one 
that'll burn Shereen. 

2066
01:49:31,160 --> 01:49:34,320
So patch face will will try to 
stop it or try to go after her 

2067
01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:36,360
or try to get revenge. 
I don't know. 

2068
01:49:36,560 --> 01:49:39,400
Maybe that's maybe as that event
grows closer, we'll see some 

2069
01:49:39,400 --> 01:49:42,240
things that point to it or if 
they're at the night for it, 

2070
01:49:42,240 --> 01:49:44,360
which I believe that's the most 
likely place for it to happen. 

2071
01:49:45,200 --> 01:49:49,800
Maybe he bites Melisandre. 
That's he just that's the bloody

2072
01:49:49,800 --> 01:49:50,800
lips. 
He actually bites her. 

2073
01:49:52,360 --> 01:49:54,800
Wouldn't it be wild if he killed
Melisandre? 

2074
01:49:55,520 --> 01:49:57,440
I would not see that coming 
except for that. 

2075
01:49:57,440 --> 01:50:00,200
I just pointed out the 
possibility, but no one in world

2076
01:50:00,200 --> 01:50:02,240
would see that coming. 
I don't think even Melisandre 

2077
01:50:02,240 --> 01:50:04,520
would be like the danger from 
him. 

2078
01:50:04,840 --> 01:50:08,680
Really imagine her being like, 
hey, y'all I need I need extra 

2079
01:50:08,680 --> 01:50:12,080
guards on patch face today. 
They're like, what? 

2080
01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:14,920
Why? 
What are you worried about 

2081
01:50:14,920 --> 01:50:16,960
Melisandre? 
Like just trust me, I have 

2082
01:50:16,960 --> 01:50:19,000
visions. 
This guy's dangerous. 

2083
01:50:19,000 --> 01:50:21,840
Put him in chains or something. 
You know, I just don't see that 

2084
01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:24,960
happening. 
So the way this will manifest, 

2085
01:50:24,960 --> 01:50:27,240
it's hard to perceive, but 
that's that's up to George. 

2086
01:50:27,240 --> 01:50:28,640
And he's good at this sort of 
thing, isn't he? 

2087
01:50:29,680 --> 01:50:33,760
Final thoughts He's an outlier 
in so many ways, as I hope we've

2088
01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:37,160
demonstrated. 
There's no way to explain him 

2089
01:50:37,160 --> 01:50:40,680
being alive, but he doesn't 
exactly show a lot of signs of 

2090
01:50:40,680 --> 01:50:43,480
being undead. 
He eats, he's cold, he gets 

2091
01:50:43,480 --> 01:50:47,200
cold, he he things are loud to 
him like these are very human 

2092
01:50:47,200 --> 01:50:49,520
reactions, even though his words
are not. 

2093
01:50:50,200 --> 01:50:52,560
So magic is involved, but it's 
not magic. 

2094
01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:55,560
We can easily link to other 
forms of magic we've seen. 

2095
01:50:56,040 --> 01:50:58,800
That in itself might be telling,
and it might be part of the 

2096
01:50:58,800 --> 01:51:00,440
point that George is laying down
here. 

2097
01:51:00,440 --> 01:51:04,200
He's like, look, as much as I've
shown you, Rellore, magic of the

2098
01:51:04,200 --> 01:51:07,640
Old Gods, and a few other 
things, there's other things out

2099
01:51:07,640 --> 01:51:12,000
there that won't be explained. 
And that's how I'm going to help

2100
01:51:12,000 --> 01:51:15,240
maintain a lot of the mystery 
present in this setting. 

2101
01:51:15,880 --> 01:51:18,960
So he's prophetic, but with an 
affliction unlike any other 

2102
01:51:18,960 --> 01:51:21,680
prophetic character. 
As I said of the intro, he might

2103
01:51:21,680 --> 01:51:25,280
be the only character who can 
see the future, who doesn't know

2104
01:51:25,440 --> 01:51:29,200
he can see the future. 
So I remain perplexed by much of

2105
01:51:29,200 --> 01:51:32,800
what Patchface says. 
But again, I will reiterate, I 

2106
01:51:32,800 --> 01:51:35,560
think that's part of the point. 
I think George has made him 

2107
01:51:35,560 --> 01:51:38,720
perplexing on purpose. 
He's like, I'm going to make a 

2108
01:51:38,720 --> 01:51:42,880
character that has things that 
no one can understand or that 

2109
01:51:42,960 --> 01:51:45,280
only a few things can be 
understood eventually. 

2110
01:51:46,120 --> 01:51:48,000
Because with the Ghost of High 
Heart, we're supposed to be able

2111
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:50,440
to figure those out. 
George does not make them that 

2112
01:51:51,120 --> 01:51:53,560
dense, doesn't make them that 
hard to understand. 

2113
01:51:53,560 --> 01:51:56,400
If you've reread A Storm of 
Swords and you reread the 

2114
01:51:56,400 --> 01:51:58,840
section with the Ghost of High 
Hearts prophecies, you can 

2115
01:51:58,840 --> 01:52:02,640
identify a lot of them without 
even having, you know, listen to

2116
01:52:02,640 --> 01:52:05,200
a single podcast or read any 
analysis. 

2117
01:52:05,200 --> 01:52:08,040
I think they come off as fairly 
straightforward. 

2118
01:52:08,280 --> 01:52:12,560
Even if you don't catch every 
single detail, the gist comes 

2119
01:52:12,560 --> 01:52:15,640
across. 
So this character has answers, 

2120
01:52:16,040 --> 01:52:18,680
but we can't understand them. 
And that's a different sort of 

2121
01:52:18,680 --> 01:52:22,560
creepy, like he's talking about 
the shadows, the dead, the 

2122
01:52:22,600 --> 01:52:25,200
others. 
He's got answers, but we don't 

2123
01:52:25,200 --> 01:52:27,120
know what they are. 
We're that close to him. 

2124
01:52:27,360 --> 01:52:30,200
And no one in the setting 
realizes how close they are to 

2125
01:52:30,200 --> 01:52:32,720
those answers because even 
Melisandre and John, who have 

2126
01:52:32,720 --> 01:52:35,520
identified him as dangerous, 
they haven't identified him as a

2127
01:52:35,520 --> 01:52:38,640
source of information. 
That's as close as anyone has 

2128
01:52:38,640 --> 01:52:43,040
gotten, and it's not that close.
He of course, is in danger too. 

2129
01:52:43,040 --> 01:52:44,800
Anyone at the wall is in danger 
beyond. 

2130
01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:48,680
I mean, there's a big civil war 
of sorts happening and plus the 

2131
01:52:48,680 --> 01:52:53,120
others are coming. 
So yeah, he's in danger in that 

2132
01:52:53,120 --> 01:52:55,800
sense, in addition to being a 
danger to others. 

2133
01:52:55,800 --> 01:52:59,400
Maybe the others lowercase, 
maybe it's the others presence 

2134
01:52:59,400 --> 01:53:01,800
that will activate him or turn 
him. 

2135
01:53:02,000 --> 01:53:05,280
Who knows. 
Given how unusual, unique, 

2136
01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:09,040
unsettling, and unknown 
Patchface and his abilities are,

2137
01:53:09,360 --> 01:53:13,160
I'm excited to learn more, not 
just the mysteries around who 

2138
01:53:13,160 --> 01:53:15,000
and what he is and where his 
powers come from. 

2139
01:53:15,000 --> 01:53:16,920
Because a lot of that we may not
get answered. 

2140
01:53:17,560 --> 01:53:20,320
I think we'll get closer to the 
truth on some of that, but not 

2141
01:53:20,320 --> 01:53:23,240
all the way. 
I'm intrigued by the possibility

2142
01:53:23,240 --> 01:53:27,800
that someone eventually figures 
out in world that he's 

2143
01:53:27,800 --> 01:53:30,440
predicting the future. 
I'm also just curious what he's 

2144
01:53:30,440 --> 01:53:35,680
going to say or sing next. 
Our trivia answer and poll 

2145
01:53:35,680 --> 01:53:37,840
results. 
Let's get to those real quick. 

2146
01:53:37,840 --> 01:53:40,880
That's fun. 
The question was which 3 

2147
01:53:40,880 --> 01:53:46,240
characters with PO VS drown 
during this the span of books. 

2148
01:53:46,240 --> 01:53:48,280
Davos and Tyrion drown. 
You see them both, they see that

2149
01:53:48,280 --> 01:53:50,680
both happen to them at the end 
of each of their one of them 

2150
01:53:50,680 --> 01:53:52,440
each, each of them have a 
chapter that ends with them 

2151
01:53:52,440 --> 01:53:55,640
drowning. 
And Aaron drowns during the bail

2152
01:53:55,640 --> 01:53:58,320
on Greyjoy's rebellion. 
So we don't have that through 

2153
01:53:58,320 --> 01:54:00,800
his POV directly. 
We have his memory of it. 

2154
01:54:00,800 --> 01:54:02,880
So close enough. 
How did our poll go? 

2155
01:54:02,880 --> 01:54:07,760
Yeah, looks like Shereen by far 
got the fewest votes for who's 

2156
01:54:07,760 --> 01:54:10,600
going to survive the longest, 
and fair enough, I get that. 

2157
01:54:12,000 --> 01:54:14,520
Stannis second fewest. 
Serene only got 2% of the votes 

2158
01:54:14,520 --> 01:54:17,120
for who will survive longest. 
Stannis got 6%. 

2159
01:54:17,120 --> 01:54:21,680
So not a lot of optimism on 
Stannis's survival beyond patch 

2160
01:54:21,680 --> 01:54:23,000
face. 
We've got 30% of the votes, but 

2161
01:54:23,000 --> 01:54:25,640
Melisandre dominated this poll. 
Most people think Melisandre 

2162
01:54:25,640 --> 01:54:28,560
will survive the longest out of 
those 462% of you. 

2163
01:54:28,560 --> 01:54:31,720
In fact, that's probably what I 
would say too, wouldn't you? 

2164
01:54:32,680 --> 01:54:34,640
I could see it being Patchface, 
but I do agree that it's 

2165
01:54:34,640 --> 01:54:38,880
probably not Stannis or Shireen.
Some episodes that relate to 

2166
01:54:38,880 --> 01:54:42,480
this one, which is a funny thing
to say given how we've said it's

2167
01:54:42,480 --> 01:54:44,640
so hard to relate Patchface to 
other characters, but we can 

2168
01:54:44,640 --> 01:54:47,640
relate him to other prophets. 
A Question of Clays, an episode 

2169
01:54:47,640 --> 01:54:51,280
we did recently that's got a lot
of overlap and because it's at 

2170
01:54:51,280 --> 01:54:54,320
least another character of with 
prophetic abilities who is hard 

2171
01:54:54,320 --> 01:54:57,280
to understand and who is driving
an important character. 

2172
01:54:58,000 --> 01:55:01,200
Different episodes we've done on
Dragonstone and different 

2173
01:55:01,200 --> 01:55:03,840
Valyrian topics. 
We've done episodes on the 

2174
01:55:03,840 --> 01:55:06,240
Ironborn. 
Yeah, there's some other ones 

2175
01:55:06,240 --> 01:55:08,720
like that. 
So not a lot of suggestions here

2176
01:55:08,720 --> 01:55:10,720
because, yeah, hard to connect 
this guy. 

2177
01:55:11,320 --> 01:55:13,800
He's such an outlier. 
But that, again, is part of what

2178
01:55:13,800 --> 01:55:15,240
makes him so fun and so 
interesting. 

2179
01:55:16,000 --> 01:55:18,840
Thanks, everybody, for hanging 
out with us today, for listening

2180
01:55:18,840 --> 01:55:21,520
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2181
01:55:21,520 --> 01:55:25,600
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2182
01:55:25,600 --> 01:55:28,040
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2183
01:55:28,280 --> 01:55:31,280
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When you tell them you like 

2184
01:55:31,280 --> 01:55:34,800
something, they listen. 
At least I hope they do. 

2185
01:55:35,600 --> 01:55:38,240
If they don't listen, maybe you 
need to better friends. 

2186
01:55:38,240 --> 01:55:39,360
Yeah, right. 
Come on, y'all. 

2187
01:55:39,480 --> 01:55:44,120
Yeah. 
On behalf of a Shaya, I'm Aziz. 

2188
01:55:44,560 --> 01:55:47,680
Thanks to Nina. 
Good Queen Ali for her input. 

2189
01:55:47,680 --> 01:55:51,440
Of Aziz, I'm a Shaya. 
Yes, that's true too. 

2190
01:55:51,880 --> 01:55:55,480
Thanks as well to Joey Townsend 
for our original intro music. 

2191
01:55:55,480 --> 01:55:59,480
And thanks to Michael Klarfeld 
for his maps and video intro. 

2192
01:55:59,920 --> 01:56:02,400
We are so happy to have those. 
And if you want to check out his

2193
01:56:02,400 --> 01:56:08,480
website, itsclaradox.de, that's 
KLARADO x.de. 

2194
01:56:08,880 --> 01:56:11,200
We'll see you next time with 
more and you know what to do 

2195
01:56:11,200 --> 01:56:15,320
until then. 
Valar Riritis.