And toss or pentose if you prefer it rhymes with Mentos the
nearest free City to King's Landing.
It's often embroiled in westerosi politics as a result.
It's the go-to location for Exiles or at least the first
stop on their way to a fuller Exile.
It's arguably surpassed Ty Roch as the new home of Black, fire
conspiracies, connington young Griff, the golden company not to
mention Danny and viserys Tyrion goes through there as an exile
Danny's first chapters were there.
Of course, it's where her Arc starts as, is her marriage to
Khal Drogo. We have some thoughts on that.
Of course, it housed Meg, or for a time then Damon and Lena,
Bela, and Rayna, and all their dragons.
The list doesn't stop there. The proximity to Westeros has
given us a lot of recent history to play with.
But Penthouse has a rich ancient history as well involving
valyria and dolls and other lesser known perhaps
Supernatural elements. But just the combination of
valyria and analyzation is really unique.
The region around the area is compelling and filled with fun
tales and anecdotes from Wars with their neighbors, to the
pair of valerian sphinxes, along the dragon Road, the going and
row which brings us to what some of you will find most compelling
of all, how pentose plays into the story, as the place where
Danny's Arc begins, you best believe her story is coming back
through there. It's a stepping stone away from
Westeros but also the way back to it to go forward.
You must go back is a motto of Danny's Arc and well, it's a bit
for shadowy, in this case, I think two events seem to be
culminating there. So even if you even without
that, we would have thought she'd go back there.
But there's a lot of other things happening on there as
well. Whether it's a reckoning for
illyrio or the city itself, Self or maybe the tattered, Prince
seizes the city and maybe the Reckoning comes for pentos
before Danny even gets there. And thus, it will be something
like the double Reckoning. Well, we've got all that and
more on this episode of history of Westeros podcast.
Hello and welcome everybody back for another episode, a heavily
seasoned world-building episode, but this one probably more plot
oriented than some of the free cities.
We haven't covered all the free cities yet, you know, braavos is
big volantis as well, but pain, tosses probably got as much to
do with the main story as any of them if not more.
So some of that remains to be seen, of course, we'll talk
about all of Of that today. Sean.
How's it going? I know your leg is still really
bothering you. Your we appreciate you being
able to do this while being in such pain.
Are you drinking anything to help you out there?
Any milk of the poppy or milk of the Almond or milk of the oat or
anything like that? Had the naked protein tree,
which is kind of creamy. And there's also this V8 B has a
slender fruit juices. One is pomegranate blueberry
what can I mix those together with the dr.
Pepper it was like a float. It first.
It's a little bit. Orbis Brown homogenize.
So kind of creamy, we'll call it milk of dr.
Pepper, I can see, there's like a purple bit of the bottom,
like, it's definitely separated like some weird.
Chemistry experiment there. Yeah.
Taking some Ibuprofen. And Tylenol.
And I've got, you know, I might win server known and, but I'm
abilities in proving. I'm determined to get.
Not, just get back on my feet. Get back Dancing.
Yeah. Well, we're all pulling for you.
Every single one of us, I'm sure go Sean.
Shout out to our good friend Nina, who had a question on her
blog? That's somewhat relevant to
actually quite relevant today. The question is related to
parallels between Ned and how he handles Jon Snow versus illyrio
and how he handles breath. Both have allegedly Aloha.
The child of a loved one in their possession.
Basically in their care and handle it very differently.
Its both, both these children have a claim to the throne
Thrown to the iron throne but one well we're not entirely sure
what earlier is up to, but it seems to be more about ambition
of whereas Ned was trying to protect the child very, very
different approaches. So that's a, that's a great
observation by Nina and you're going to want to read it at
good. Queen Ali, dot tumblr.com.
That's one Al and Ali just like Alice and yeah.
And of course she has a lot of notes in our episode today is
she so often, does great takes on pentos and illyrio and the
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with our trivia question as we so often, do the pentoshi
historian /, political actor, jzo Herodotus Wrote a book
called before the dragons, a title that we've used that
claimed pentos and another city were actually founded before the
Freehold. What other city does?
Jesse? Oh, name alongside pentose as
predating valyria, yes. Yes, the first mention of
pentos, we often like to start with that.
Again, I want to know. Do you say pentos or pentos?
It's not as big a pronunciation debate as Celtic Arkell cigar
but I am curious what you all would say Say, I think it's
pentos and my reasoning is that it would have a second s if it
wasn't us that, assuming normal phonetic rules that which we
can't necessarily assume, but that's my, that's a reasonable
argument. Yeah.
Okay. I say zebra.
Interesting. Yeah, I say it's Deborah.
No no, I don't except for That's Unique set of phonetic rules
there. Say passages I pronounce it
Janowski. okay, so the first mention comes very early on
because it's where we meet Dani and her verse chapter along with
the Sarah's called rogo and illyrio who is the only one of
those who's actually from pendants A gift from the
Magister illyrio, the series set smiling.
Her brother was in a high mood tonight.
The color will bring out the Violet in your eyes and you have
gold as well. Jewels of All Sorts why I was
promised tonight, you must look like a princess, a princess,
Danny thought she had forgotten what that was like, perhaps she
had never really known. Why does he give us so much?
She asked, what does he want from us?
Her nigh on half a year, they had lived in the magisters
house, eating his food hampered by his servants.
Danny was 13 old enough to know that such gifts seldom come
without their price here in the free city of pentos saris older
than 13 was not old enough to know that such gifts rubber band
without the price Danny quickly. I mean its immediate right away
how much smarter Danny is and viserys so it's a great quote
show Thing that she's way ahead in terms of Just The Way of the
World, intuition human nature. Lots of other things, too.
It's also a great sort of pun need two points out.
It's the first example of a quote unquote free City with
nothing is given for free here, as we're just told like that
doesn't even get into our recurring discussion on slavery,
in the free cities, which is a little different here in pentos
in some ways, it's very much the same, but in some ways, it's
not. So we'll get into that.
So this is very close to coming all the way back around again,
as I said in, The intro, Danny's Arc is returning her to pentos,
and there may be a reckoning sort.
So, more to come on that as we work our way through the
timeline and make a little observation here.
I think that some of Danny's awareness versus Bucyrus is not.
I mean, not that she isn't smarter than him but I think
it's at least as much that he's more self-absorbed than she is.
Yeah. And maybe a little more
single-minded, he has this sort of mission, get back to the
throne. Right.
And he's very, you know, full of himself people, where she
doesn't have a mission. She just You're going along and
she doesn't have the same sort of arrogancy he has.
So she's absorbing more different things rather than
just what he wants and needs here.
And I think that you might see elements of this throughout her
courts, right? That she has this idea of
getting back to her home and her iron throne.
But she's more aware of the other problems in these cities
to slavery since she's not so single-minded.
She has more different things to be concerned about slavery and
Justice of these different cities for better or worse.
Is If she can stay that way, it might keep her on this.
Mission of righteousness might keep her from getting to the
Iron Throne, if you're which isn't necessarily the best thing
in the first place. I don't know, we'll see.
But yeah. Also certainly got my attention.
I might be worse than fought. The second to last mention of
Pentecost, in the entire series. Here we go.
Supper was for language lessons. The blind girl, understood
braavosi and could speak it passably.
She had even lost most of her barbaric accent, but the kindly
man was not He was insisting that she improve her High
Valyrian and learn the tongues of lease.
And pentose to this could simply be part of her education.
This is Aria of course we're talking about well as you can
probably tell by the blind girl learn lots of languages but it's
interesting that 10 tosses mentioned specifically I may be
reading too much into it but I wonder what's that about.
Maybe they have plans for her to go there or if it's just part of
her education, like I said but the fact that it's mentioned
specifically is curious Of course, learning High Valyrian
leads to the other languages, pentos and lice any.
Those are just off shoots bastardized dialects.
You could say of High Valyrian. I think you could say maybe High
Valyrian is like Latin and toss. Might be Italian go kosher.
Yeah. I beat ya French or whatever.
Maybe even a little closer. But yeah, that's a great.
That's a great parallel. I like that.
I don't think we mentioned this and least because Lisa is also
probably Penthouse is close to Bravo's so that you can almost
see. That makes more sense.
Least has a Either way, so I'm not sure but maybe yeah it could
be just a clue about what where the Faceless Men have their
attention or something about their future.
Anyway, one of the reasons it during to is it reminds us that
Penthouse has their own language.
That's a nice reminder and lysine, if we continue this
comparison, it's more Valerian because it's more Valerian.
Like the city of lease is deeper Origins with malaria.
Now, they're both rule, they were the ruled by valyria.
But pentose was mingled a lot with the locals who were mostly
and dolls and other races that have now been forgotten.
And it wasn't founded by the elite.
It was founded more by middle-class, folks as a trading
colonies. Oh they don't care as much about
the Highborn blood or there just isn't as much there to be cared
about and that's really relevant for a lot of reasons that will
come up throughout this episode. Basically all the dialects of
High Valyrian or can be lumped into a category called bastard
Valyrian. Which yeah kind of like what
John was saying the romance. Which is faster Latin Masters
Latin. Yeah Nina right?
Given that there's been plenty of interaction between braavos
and pain toss in the last few centuries.
It's also possible. The kindly man expected re to
run into more pentoshi words, our speakers because of that,
either. Because more petacchi would be
expected to be in braavos. Regular diplomatic missions, or
trade or for a variety of reasons, just proximity, gives
you all sorts of reasons to mingle Tyrion also observes that
egg on while still disguises young Griff is quote, fluent in
High Valyrian and the load. Decks of pain low dialects,
rather a pentose tie Rashmi, Rand lease and the trade Talk Of
Sailors. Not to mention taking for him
that we see on page lessons in volunteen and meereenese.
If that funny anecdote rotarians, like, you need to be
up your nose to properly pronounce guard Words, which
Griff laughs at I like that. Let's talk geography for a
minute and tosses, not quite the farthest west of the free
cities. Even though it's the closest to
King's Landing, that would beat Irish which is the closest to to
the landfall on Westeros. It's very close to our rushes to
the stormlands and stepstones and Dorne.
But you could draw a straight line from braavos, almost all
the way straight down to lease passing through, then toss.
Yes, almost exactly a straight line from Bravo's all the way
down to lease passing through. Pentose pretty cool.
So this goes to show and sets up the proximity here.
Basically describes the start of the geopolitical situation that
has existed for thousands of years although braavos is not
thousands of years old so the situation would have been
different in ancient times, but as it is now these cities are
often competing over the same things.
There's been endless fights over the stepstones over trade routes
over different things here and there and It's created some
really good stories. Blanche's would be the farthest
away physically but it's not the shortest or not the farthest by
travel time because according to several things within the story,
it's quicker to go by ship. You get to blanch quicker by
ship. So that would that says to me
the farthest actual travel time would be to cohort which you
can't take ship to get there at least not right away.
If the walk all the way, they remember Danny walks that way.
With Drogo and the callous, are they pass all the way through
all that, through the forest of cohort, on their way to vaes
dothrak, which is really, really far away?
And there are bleary and Roads, there's a bellerian road that
heads, west or east rather out of know?
Yeah. East out of pain toss, two
words, what used to be the city's of the Rhine, and perhaps
some other locations as well? And that's, of course,
important, because they're tracing, they were founded as a
trade City. The Valerian roads would have
been there right away trading by ship would have been their main
deal at first, but you know, of course, they want to do a lot of
trading Land by land as well. It has a sheltered Harbor, you
can see like a bag, They in there with like a small Inlet,
that's a perfect spot, it's a knight's ideal storms, wouldn't
hit it as hard because the ocean wouldn't be able to rip up
ashore as much. Because a lot of that would be a
lot of that force would be wasted on the Outer Banks there.
And the inner bay would have less turbulence and less storm
winds. Less waves, all that stuff less
danger. In other words by the same
token, it's hard to assault pentose from the sea because
they only have to defend that little narrow opening into the
bay, which means you Use a smaller Navy that could fight a
larger Navy without fear of encirclement.
But despite that currently, it's considered the most vulnerable,
the free cities, due to a treaty with braavos that we'll discuss
later. Keep that in mind because the
vulnerability of Pentecost, absolutely is a feature for the
story to come in The Song of Ice and Fire that could play out in
a number of ways. Given we know a lot of people
want to take it, well, it might be relatively easy to take
these. Clues add up the way we think
they do but not without consequence.
Yeah, you're right now. Right, there is a lies, there's
money, you know, there's a lot of vested interests in that
City. So might be able to quickly take
it but they might not keep it or might not keep their allies if
they did it. Yeah.
Like the title Prince comes to mind as a candidate for some of
them might be able to hold it for the short term but like he
could probably not hold it against the full theory of say
Daenerys, Targaryen who has not only dragons but Dothraki and on
cellular. Yeah, there's no way he and his
windblown. And just the city of pentos kids
could stop that. They would be more likely to try
to, you know, come to an arrangement, which they already
wanted. To come to an arrangement.
They're not stupid. They're not like, hey let's take
on Danny. Yeah, I mean, they did start off
on the other side as her but they switched.
Yeah. But let's talk about the region
around pentose. It's a really cool area and
illyrio starch it all. This is Angelo's, my friend land
your and Dolls came from it, took it from the hairy men who
were here before them cousins to the hairy men.
A bib heart, a few Wars, ancient realm lies, north of us.
We are passing through itself, marches pentos, these are called
the Flatlands, farther east and the Velvet Hills whence, we are
bound. So the kingdom of Hugo, or AK
and AK Angelo's once overlap, the portion of what then toss
rules now, a large portion. It seems it's now called
Flatlands as it says, and that is pretty descriptive.
It's a very flat area, very fertile, lots of orchards and
Farms responsible for feeding much Apprentice.
There's also Minds We know that because illyrio has some so it's
a great supply of wealth for Dothraki calls as well as for
the pentoshi elite because it's incredibly hard to defend.
Like how are you going to defend the Flatlands against the Iraqi
like that's their ideal terrain for Cavalry?
No wonder. They come not expecting a fight.
They come expecting to get paid. Get bribe to go away.
And yeah, that's exactly what happens.
I mean, that's what called Drogo is doing there first.
Plays basically, Nina says this land, reminds me a lot of the
westerland's, perhaps coincidental that we see at best
through OS, turbines eyes, tyrion's Hills to the east
fertile, farmlands in the center, valuable mines in the
area, a coast in the, on the west.
Yeah, that's all. That is true.
That's very similar to catch by Nina there.
I like I said, a minute ago, the Valerian Road, or one of them
runs from Pain tostig Leandro, which is one of the rhoynar
ruins, both Danny and Tyrion, take this route in ancient times
with or without the Valyrian Road.
There have been much trade between these two cities after
all. Penthouse was founded by Traders
and go and row would have been one of their closest neighbors.
This is like an obvious connection there.
They would have been trading back and forth, probably would
have been some just regular Road maybe just beaten pass through
the Flatlands. I wouldn't even necessarily
needed to be anything special because it's probably pretty
easy. Rain, which just would increase
the amount of trade passing forth between these two places
and the right are were renowned for their technology, their
Craftsman stuff, like the pentoshi, we've been all over
that especially because they would have access to bigger
markets. They could go to grow and row by
stuff then go back to pain, sausage ship it all over the
world. The go in drove me, whatever her
name every say they're plural of them so that for them to reach
the world markets they have to sail All the Way South through
the The entire row in which they could, they could do that.
But probably easier to just sell it to people that have more
access to the World Market side. You gotta think that the
pentoshi were not thrilled by the destruction, going and row,
even though they were part of the Freehold time, like, hey, we
traded with them. That's, that's stinks.
Dang it. And you gotta remember, trade
goes two ways to. There's thing, they would have
depended on things from them to there would have been part of
their, you know, friction or organization and you know supply
line. And everything would have been
very disruptive to both spin sauce and the other people that
the trading with. Yeah, and not just going and
row, like they're the closest of the ruins.
But they would have probably been trading with a lot of the
runner cities, especially the ones on the western side of the
Rhine, but probably all of them least indirectly and there would
have been rivalries though back between the free cities back
before. The Doom, the open war is
unlikely because they're all just holding to the Freehold.
The Freehold prolly wouldn't tolerate that.
So, in some ways trade may have blown Offload more freely when
they were all rolled up under the Freehold in a manner of
speaking because Freehold was anything but free.
But you see my point that would have some things would have been
a little smoother. Whereas now that they're
independent there's occasionally little more friction, between
competing powers that be within those cities.
Usually that friction is not between the like regular folk
but the elites that have stand to gain and lose so much based
on certain laws or certain trade deals or would have You know,
also writes, there would have been more trade settlements
generally then at least different ones in exist now.
Yeah, for example, the coming of the Dothraki over ran a lot of
smaller towns, important occasion, they just were wiped
out and people just didn't want to live there anymore in the
ones that weren't wiped out because they were afraid of what
happened to the ones that were wiped out.
So, more of essos turn to cities well, big walled cities that
could afford to buy off the Dothraki or maybe fight them
off. Like in the case of cohort that
one time but with the bigger without the Dothraki with the
Freehold ruling, the area, there would have been a lot more towns
and Villages that could have been part of this ginormous
Trade Network that probably used to exist.
Now, there is still a ginormous Trade Network but it's more
space between the town's. It's, there's, there's too much
risk for a lot of these smaller places to exist.
Although we there is some evidence that that starting to
return because the Dothraki are not quite as More like as they
used to be, which is really like, well, they're still
really, really, really really warlike.
But yeah, even even, they are not quite as bad, but partly,
because of all the technique of bribing them, that didn't exist
right away. You know, it wasn't something
that just immediately popped up when the Dothraki emerged from
the Doom, Northeast of pain, tosses The Velvet Hills, which
Tyrion called disappointing. He was like, they should be
called The Velvet eats they're so.
So small. It's kind of like how he makes
fun of the ROI in the first like, this river is not that big
a deal and later he's like, Oops.
Okay, I was wrong hands. Dean Oliver.
Yeah, I got see, you may have been right about the Velvet
Hills, though. That doesn't mean they're not
interesting. They're just not large, you
know, and here's a quote that I think makes them sound quite
interesting. I saw a circle of Standing
Stones. Illyrio claimed had been raised
by Giants and later a deep lake here.
Live a den of robbers who preyed on all who passed this way.
Leery of said, it is said they still dwell beneath the water.
Those who fish the lake are Pulled Under and devoured.
Next evening, They Came Upon a huge Valerian Sphinx crouched
beside the road headed, dragons body in a woman's face.
So those sound kind of like stories have deep ones, which
pop up all over the world in various stories or something
like them, actually in a minute. it will have a different quote
that refers to them as Swan, Maiden switch, doesn't sound
like deep ones at all, although it could be like a Cousin
species or an enemy of deep lunges and like that?
Who knows what great underwater civilizations go, what's been
going on down there? All this time, who has, who
knows? You knows about the old deep one
Swan Maiden rivalry, it's an ancient tale, that we don't have
any information on. It sounds pretty sweet, though.
And that reminds us that much of central esos was once the great
silver. See a giant Inland Sea, which
may have been saltwater or not, we don't know a lot of ancient
plane. In the real world were once sea
floors? Like, that's true of the Great
Plains in the US. That's you find Sea fossils
there, you know, like in the middle of the continent, but
that's because similar stuff happens in happened.
In this setting, not to mention the sarnath connection, which
literally had deep one type creatures coming out of the
water to attack people. The Doom that came to sarnath
being a Lovecraft story, and something we talked about in
Kingdom of Sorrow, nor episode as well as in the episode, I
believe the episode as As is properly referred to.
The Sphinx now that we hear in the Fuller version of that,
anecdote illyrio says the Dothraki carried the mail Sphinx
off back to vaes dothrak leaving the females things behind.
That couldn't have been that long ago, I mean, maybe three
four hundred years, so I'll substantial amount of time but
the Sphinx might have sat there for like 1,000 years, 2,000
years read that mean, the Great Sphinx in Egypt is thousands of
years old. So not strange at all to think
about something like that. If it get a real world stinks,
it's been there. Thousands years, I mean it's
nothing to think about that here in essence, right?
Only here for at least a thousand and one.
Yeah. Right, so that's kind of neat,
of course. That's very Symbolic of the they
female Spinks. If that's meant to Dragon Sphinx
sitting on a plinth, is meant to indicate the naira steering.
Even sees it. As a good omen, Danny wasn't
carried back to base tothe rack by the symbol of that.
But she has been carried back to base though.
Track at least. It looks like she's about to be
and then well we'll see what happens next.
But yep, the Dothraki. They're about to be taught a
lesson and what feminism? I suppose.
To the southeast Li the so-called golden Fields an area
made fertile. By the roin.
This would have been another trade partner long ago and
perhaps an area they have tried to move in on after the fall
that be one good thing for them like well we can't trade with go
and draw anymore but we can take their land, the land that they
were farming and we were trading with them whether we can leave,
maybe that's our Silver. Linings, we can own this
territory now because there's no one else to claim it or no one
big enough to claim it besides us today.
It's a may have come out ahead of that after all but since then
there's been lots of worrying over.
He's territories, Penthouse is surrounded by extremely fertile
regions in every direction including West because the sea
is fertile and it's especially for them with their Bay that
they probably did quite a lot of fish out of with less risk than
a lot of fishermen would take because again, that's protected
sheltered from the worst parts of the ocean.
But these are areas have since been Ward over by the free
cities. Especially Bravo's has been a
problem for pentos and recent centuries, because braavos is
superior to Militaristically has gotten the better of it in a
number of ways and that's pushed them back a bit.
So, braavos, is kind of dominated pentose.
Somewhat to the South. They've fought a bit with mirror
and this seems to be more of an even balanced arrangement.
I don't at least not recently. We haven't seen any massive
incursions on either side turning out recently because the
pentoshi military is Tiny. Yeah.
Now referring back To the map recently briefly the so-called
golden fields are almost exactly equidistant between mere nirvash
and cohort. Ooh, they're in that like non
forested area so you can imagine that they would all want the
golden Fields. I mean it's the golden Fields.
That's it just sounds really valuable.
Yeah. Like all that food.
Yeah, there's been fights over that.
It didn't occur to me until just last night.
So I didn't get to research it very deeply.
But in my mind, I think, or I think in George's mind, pentose
is a parallel to Genoa, I think graders.
Yeah. Right braavos is probably Venice
right. There are some pretty good
parent parallels are in Venice and, you know, we're sort of a
rival rival cities and there's a lot of parallels that Genoa was
like, it's weird to me. In fact, it is not a better
known City, I guess, you know, in modern times, it's not as
important, but through history, it's up there with Rome and
Paris as far as its importance in trade.
And it, one of the first Banks ever formed was there.
They were the financial backing to the habsburgs.
I think they still are the biggest, trading port, and the
Mediterranean. Yeah, you know, it's it's hard
to fully understand the importance and relevance said,
city is head over the centuries, but it's never had like a huge
strong Army and it's been taken, Annex act several times.
You know, it seems like You know, once or twice a century on
average, but keeps bouncing back as this powerful trade in any
between its position as a port, its reach, its financial
institutions, it's had a lot of powerful influence and point
being it. This is all pintos, right?
Don't miss everything, I'm saying like lions right up with
pintos. You're very right.
That is this, he would have this.
It would have this same, sort of meshing of cultures, and
languages, and travel, and trade, and everything.
That's ethnic Quick background and so on, I know, I need to
look into it more, but I'm confident, there's probably some
more detailed parallels that I haven't come up with it, but
that someone out there is an expert on Italy or Genoa, say
probably, right? That wasn't even more.
The brandalynn price in the chat said, yeah.
Genoa recognition. Appreciate that charm.
So over nice, very good. Cool.
Thanks for that brandalynn. Let's talk about the founding
and people of pentos. Here's a quote, from the world
of Ice and Fire. Ten tosses, the nearest of the
free cities to King's Landing, and trading ships.
Pass back and forth between the two cities on an almost daily
basis. Founded by valyrians the trading
Outpost, Penta soon absorbed the hinterland surrounding it from
The Velvet Hills and the Little Roy into the sea, including
almost the whole of the ancient realm of Angelo's, the original
homeland of the Andals, the first pentoshi were merchants
Raiders seafarers and Farmers with few of high birth amongst
them. Perhaps for this reason they
were less protective of their Valyrian blood and more willing
to breed with the original. Inhabitants of the land.
They ruled as a consequence. There is considerable and all
blood amongst the men of pentos making them.
Perhaps our closest Cousins. Yeah.
You really don't see this blending of, and all and valyria
anywhere else. I mean, there is some blending
of it elsewhere. But this is the Hub of that
connection because usually because they end all is mostly
fled the Valerian they mostly ran away from her.
Like we can't stop you, we're leaving they fled Westeros very
famously, the coming of the end dolls because they couldn't
stand against the Valyrian Freehold there was just too
powerful. So this is an exception of sorts
where it came about because the valyrians that came to this area
that became pentose work coming, as conquerors originally they
were coming as traitors. And during set up a trading
Outpost and they worked. Apparently from what we're told
worked with the locals and mingled with them and to bread
with them rather than conquering at all.
Now there are different takes on this.
There is some evidence that there may have been some
fighting, but not much evidence and we hear this one.
It's mostly just speculations is a very good chance that it
started off relatively peaceably.
Sure, there was some Cutthroat business stuff back then I'm
sure people were cutting each other out of deals and doing
some underhanded stuff, too. Get the most money in certain
situations, but that probably weren't starting Wars and the
violence would have been kept on a pretty small scale.
I think. And of course, we also must
remember, as I said about braavos, it's in this quote.
It says they had most of the ancient realm of Angelo's the
time. So most of Northwestern SOS
would have been there. So pentose in ancient times
would have wax way more powerful.
They've, since had to dial it back because Bravo's rules most
of that territory now. And braavos is Just a lot
mightier than them for a lot of reasons.
As far as the size now. Hmm, a stupor is used as a
parallel, in terms of population size, it's bigger than a stupor
may be similar in size to say lease or qarth number of people,
but we don't really have great dad on.
That isn't sort of ballparking it, I don't think George has
great dead on. Yeah.
Right. He hasn't bothered his ballpark
so they're called pentoshi now but they were once a mixture of
and alls valyrians slaves from Different places would be in
mingled in the Bloodlines as well and just other people's.
Like I said I think I mentioned before there would have been
some some races that have been long forgotten, some of which
might be Supernatural, like hairy men, a bib.
Those were not as likely to be invited to the party.
So to speak, it seems like humans and hairy men didn't
really get along so well, and so each other is like, Oscar then
type scenarios like well yeah, we gotta kill them all or
they're going to kill all of us. So not a lot of agreement or
peace between that. So this is this is different
like we said with from leasing that, there was the super-rich
typed founding that whereas, this is more middle-class folks
and that's almost like Nina says it's almost a sense in that
description that pentose thrived and dominated somewhat in spite
of his origin. Its origins, or at least without
owing much to them. And toss doesn't seem to have as
much connection to the Freehold. It doesn't.
There's no, there's not a lot of stories of it getting help from
the dragonlords or this and that, it just seems to have Been
a like, we send you some taxes and get left alone, and that's
about it kind of situation. And I mean, it was really far
from the Freehold to that's ninus Aniston and reference to
that passage. We just read, which is from the
end. All right, the author of the
world of Ice and Fire book, right?
And so they would have a bias right there would want to
attribute the success of a great City to Royal Blood valyrians or
you're not so much to the hard work of the Heard person right
now. Did they win?
Yes, somehow these dumb old Merchants made a successful City
without him to lead them that, you know?
How is it possible? I don't know.
Surely because of the great location.
Yeah, couldn't be because of their hard work or anything like
that or the capability know, just what that is.
But the location is important. I mean, we've heard for sure,
you here, that's what some top three most important as your
business location location. That's still true, even in the
era of the internet, because that's how people find you.
The internet is important like we need to be accessible, right?
If people can't find you on the internet, it's just as bad as
people, not being able to find your store in the in this,
whatever City you live in or maybe worse but still the same
concept applies. So pain, tosses just right in
the middle of like, all the trading of the narrow sea there
in the center of Western essos and which lines of King's
Landing there. Whereas braavos is powerful.
They had to scrap their way into that braavos is powerful, but
kind of remote pair together. Free cities is way up in the
Northwestern corner there, which puts it To Westeros.
But in terms of like, getting like a shy or even like
volantis, it's pretty far right cars really far away for
Penthouse. It's a lot closer and they're
closer to places that are closer.
So they're really in the center of was like, if this was a giant
mall, they'd be in like the prime spot, whatever.
That is for a mall. I don't know.
I still want to give credit to the to the value of trade and
Merchants and hard work of everage people because there are
other key spots in good locations to.
Yeah, it didn't grow to these thrive.
Vince. He's like King's Landing only
relatively recently became a significant City and it's very
very similar as far as position he right.
Yeah. You're totally dressed like it
because it's no surprise. King's Landing fry because of
its great location yet. Why was there nothing there
before? Well probably, because of Dusk,
and Dale and drift Mark in other places, that would have stopped
them like, no, this is our Trade Network.
We don't want you to get going, you know, so which would have
maybe happened in ancient SOS as well.
There may have been lots of other pain toss like places that
just didn't make it. Either because the leaders were
more motivated by maintaining their power, or their Prestige,
or warring against neighbor, rather than productivity and
trade and commerce, and exchange of ideas and everything else.
So, the more often you get a city people doing that, they
Thrive more so than cities who are just trying to be the big
dog, or whatever ya know, not to say that the presence, the elite
don't have a lot of power in pentos because they do, but it
is different. You're right.
There are interesting differences.
Has in how absolute power or the highest level of power is
exercised. It's almost a bit of an in-joke.
The way they do, it will get to that pretty shortly here.
Here's a quick one line quote, whereas lorath nervous and
cohort were founded for religious reasons.
The interests of least Irish and mere have always been
Mercantile. Interestingly pentose volantis
and Bravo's are not included in that, which is peculiar saw.
Typically the Bravo's not in there because they were
obviously founded for neither reason, they were Founded for
religious or Mercantile re they were founded as a Haven for
escaped slaves. A place.
Basically a refugee place that turned into a powerful City over
time. It had religious and Mercantile
and Refugee political reasons. It had all that volantis was
more of an extension of the Freehold of first because it's
just right there out, basically right off of the peninsula and
still has its ancient eyes. They're so it's different too.
So, I wonder why pain tosses include because their interests
have always been Mercantile as well.
So, I wonder why that's not included.
And implication did. There's also been a religious
influence maybe. Yeah.
At least or maybe some of the factor by the way worth noting
Genoa. Is the birthplace of multiple
Pope's many popes and from Genoa, many or another potential
parallel there. Yeah, that's true.
Here's another story. An alternate version of the
story of Pentecost that maybe helps explain where that quote
is coming from maybe is claimed in some histories that pain toss
and Laura were of a Third type cities already extant before the
valyrians came, whose rulers paid?
Homage to valyria, and thus retained their right to Native
rule in these cities. What influx of valerian blood
there was came from migrants from the Freehold or political
marriages. Used to better buying these
cities to valyria yet most of the histories that recount this
take is their Source Jesse oh herodotus's for the dragons.
Herodotus was himself from pentos and at the time the
Lantus was threatening to restore the Valyrian empire
under its control. So the notion of an independent
pentose with Origins, distinct from valyria was a most
political convenience. Yeah, that's the super
interesting anecdote. Like this guy is me trying to
argue that actually pentose was originally an independent thing
that a join the Freehold. Now I don't know how politic
this really is because They didn't need any additional
arguments to be free. The Doom had happened.
Like there's no volantis. I mean, there's no Freehold to
be a part of anymore so I don't know why they needed Arguments
for Independence. When they're the governing body
just vanished Into Thin Air anyway, so maybe the shouldn't
be looked at as just a story for political convenience, maybe,
maybe it's just a story that was not popular in the Freehold
because it argues that. It wasn't founded by the
Freehold. So, maybe now the truth can come
out now that the Freehold isn't controlling the narrative.
So there's a couple different ways to look at this.
That isn't it goes beyond what's presented, the read between the
lines. I think that's interesting.
Anita says I would like, I would believe some extent that there
was a settlement if not a full City in the modern location of
pentos precisely because it is such an attractive, geographical
area. Absolutely.
Like we just said but again, King's Landing same deal, but
didn't have that, you know King's Landing.
There were people in the side of King's Landing going to be clear
they just Few Hubble's fishing boats, it was in a city so maybe
that's where you could say. Well yeah, there were people
there, but it was just a few people maybe like a couple
dozen. Would you really call that?
Would you really call that a city where you're like?
They founded a city there? Yes, there were people there but
those people didn't found a city.
They just built houses like so. So this is over.
That's kind of semantics. I guess.
Like what point does it become a city or a town or a village?
When is it official when does it get recognized on the map?
You know, maybe valyria officially gave It a town
Charter into this is officially a real place with authorized
governing body and that's the way they mark it.
Thus the founding there's these things can't really pinpoint.
You have to the ability to Levy its own taxes.
Yeah, its own autonomy when it comes to collecting taxes might
be a indicates and is probably a lot of gray area, you know, I
can imagine there were some people who thought of themselves
is part of a city already and some outside entity was trying
to tax them and adults paying we took credit for showing at But
maybe different outside entities we're doing that or internal
entities were doing at and yeah maybe at some point it became
clear but probably also still under debate even if some people
thought it was clear. Some reason, it may have been
more political is that this these certain reins of power or
Key Properties or things of value.
Within pentose may have been claimed by valyrians people have
learned origin because of their hairs.
Like, well, I we have first, right?
We're Noble blood. Freehold people, some people
like now actually, The this city pre-exists predates, all that,
so your claims are invalid. It might be spat that I could
see being a way to push aside, the claims of Valyrian Freehold
others who aren't like back my dragons.
Because if any dragons you're not going to stop them but red
it's hard to say that to those people when they have dragons.
Yeah. But when Sunday dragons are gone
then if you look ok now this is back to being - were supposed to
be mine in the first place only because I couldn't stop dragons
are not fight for it. Exactly.
And you have they have all this money so they like the well they
have learned of a lot of money so it We can, we can win this.
You know, they would be a lot more optimistic about being
independent in a post draconic world.
I like, let's do dragons anymore.
What are we worried about? Like yeah, there's not even a
continent, there's not even a subcontinent of Valeri anymore.
Like they had probably hadn't thought of it as Rocky at that
point is. It's a problem, but hey, that's
a different problem. And Anita says they had this
sort of foundational myth, making is a big part of the real
world to like the Romans were big on Claiming their ancestors,
were the Trojans and linking that to Romulus and Remus and
all that. It gave them gave their origin
story. A lot more potent, sand lot,
more something that's something that unites them all like shared
Heritage is a great way to build community within or within a
city, or a town about kind of proud of towns origin or what it
produces or the quality of its people or something.
You know, people are proud of braavos.
There's probably plenty of people in pentos Proud of their
City. I would argue the braavosi
probably have more to be proud of, but that's that's just my
preference. What's odd about this though is
that usually people use the Trojan War Romulus Remus stuff.
This is kind of the opposite of that where the Romans were like.
Yeah, we're connected to the Trojans.
These guys, it's Jazzy over at his guys.
Like, we're not connected to the Larry, he's doing the opposite.
He's like trying to distance themselves and instead trying to
connect to their own local Heritage.
So they are still trying to connect this foundational myth
stuff, but while also separate himself, From a different Miss
Cycles. That's kind of interesting.
Illyrio has that fork yellowbeard with, it's very
oily. That's shiny and he rubs it in a
way that Tyrion finds kind of lewd.
He's blue eyes and blond himself and is, and Tashi.
So that's kind of maybe a fusion of and all and Valerian.
Look maybe like the end walls are blue-eyed blond-haired in
the valyrians burst. They have silver hair and purple
eyes or various colored eyes are not all purple.
So you kind of out and that's maybe a clue to pentoshi beauty
standards. Like the illyrio definitely has
a type. He was almost into Danny himself
and thought the better, he remember, what do you think?
Says he's like, Oh I thought she was too timid like okay, you
misread her and then Sarah he's into Sarah who was maybe Sarah
blackfyre. Sarah's also blond and
blue-eyed. You know.
And yeah, Leo has a type and it's his own type is he is also
blonde-haired blue-eyed over that statue made of him.
That maybe that's also a clue to pentoshi beauty standards him
him, maybe the ideal look for a young pentoshi bravoman realize
what he was, he was earned a living with his sword.
At first, the statue was made by someone named pytho malinin,
which I don't know if pytho is pentoshi himself but every
pentoshi name that I've come across start ends in an O so
maybe pytho definitely Rio Jesse.
Oh grow Leo nevi. Oh Rigo and yellow.
A yellow is tyrion's pentoshi. Pseudonym are, do we know any
pentoshi women and their named and in a knot Single one we did.
Yeah, I think we did. I would guess that we would see
a prevalence of a ending names. That's a great call actually.
Cuz yeah. You see that in like romance
languages? Yeah, that's it.
That's a barrel. That's a really good call.
I was gonna say these names all sound like Juno and they are
Italian sobbing, you're totally right?
Yeah. A lot of double vowels.
I mean double consonants and well, yeah.
I appreciate the consistency of, like Herodotus said mopatis.
You know like the the vatos. Yeah, the name.
Is our George is pretty good about that, keeping pretty
consistent. There's a phrase pentoshi phrase
that says never asked the baker. What went into the pie?
Just eat. It's kind of like, like don't
ask, what's in the sausage? Or don't you want to see how the
sausage is made? But it's also kind of like,
don't ask questions. Just accept it.
You know, it old to keep your nose in your own business or
that kind of thing. Like, that's it.
I feel like you can read into that motto for like some
attitudes, the city might have because a lot of dirty things
happen in this city and you know, like people doing things
they're not supposed to. So you might Like that might be
like, adult don't be a snitch. Type vibe that gets spread
trickled down from the elite and spread to the commoners me.
Like that's our Vibe here, we will talk.
You know, what happens in pentos stays and maybe a slightly less
cynical take is, don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
Okay sure sure. Hey this looks good, right?
We're living a good life like, you know, so yeah, just accepted
what I do think clearly there's a theme of slavery, you know.
So that's another Bald by the wage and Noah key and slave
trade and con colonial times. And let's talk a little bit
about the way. The city is laid out.
It commands a large area, as we described just before in the
region section, the cities of greatest interest, though.
Of course, we have a great idea, but it looks like that even less
of what it looked like long ago. We see most of what we see is
Billy Rios manse and very little outside that but there is some
enough to make use of and make some educated guesses.
We see examples as we do throughout the world of it.
Maybe not being so much, having the vibe that it was founded
under a being a place of Lucky merchants and Traders now, it
seems to have maybe become a place of The Haves and Have Nots
where the state of unfettered capitalism has gone on so long
that it's the people with money or have taken over to the extent
that they're changing the way things work and affecting the
laws. And in ways that are eliminating
the middle class, it's something that happens in the real world
certainly. For example, when they Out to
Danny, wanted me to Khal Drogo, the streets are not lit at all,
which is kind of telling. Here's a quote, the streets of
pentos for pitch dark when they set out in a lie.
Rios, elaborately carved palanquin to servants.
Went ahead to light their way carrying ornate, oil lanterns
with pains a pale blue glass, while a dozen strong men hoisted
the polls to their shoulders. Hmm.
You would expect to see a city. We put up lights on the streets,
like that's normal. You see that in King's Landing.
See that pretty much everywhere board.
At least you see like residual lights from inhabitants.
It's kind of odd that it's pitch, black but not where we
see Danny and Company go. That's, it's an easy thing to
take. For granted in the modern world,
lighting everywhere, so many lighting devices.
And when it's cheaper, we don't have to.
I mean, there are still places in the world that don't have
access to electricity, but electricity is pretty cheap
compared to burning wood and coal.
And having to constantly re re Supply yourself with that
cheaper and safer and more infrastructure.
Like, yeah, there's less likely to start fires to keep polluting
the air and someone else. This is I'm talking about like
the elimination of the middle class perhaps in pentos.
Like these are the people that would complain about the lack of
this. Like, hey, our tax money goes
towards this. The rich don't care because they
can easily just as like a penny to them like relatively
speaking. They can afford the light their
own homes, and all this other stuff.
They carry a troop of light makers with them.
Another believer has many servants like what does he care?
You know like this another item on The Ledger for him it's
barely anything. The guy owns binds Farm Orchards
businesses, like it's nothing to him but but how do you get?
It's hard to get that rich or if not impossible to get that rich
without stepping on a lot of people's throats or hands or
both and or doing worse than that own.
That many people seem to have that much?
Well, yeah, I didn't think of this either but I seem to
remember there was a passage for the kind of describing the
nature of the slaves in pentos to wear.
Like they're your ostensibly free as long as you don't owe
money. That's Library.
They are yes, right? And one way that is, is you You
don't pay them enough to earn. Yeah, it's to get above the
food. They're being provided.
And so, a job, like lighting candles at night, that's enough.
That's not enough work to justify enough, pay to pay for
your food and so ilario gets to just keep them all slates and he
does feed them. He gives them basic sustenance
for life, but they'll never learn enough pain at back just
lighting candles at night and so he gets slaves within the law,
you know. So I want to jump ahead a little
bit because what you said was really insightful there It sort
of touches on telling that Nina and myself.
Both made note of in the document here, that illyrio has
this odd Line? This is a term which was my
household loves me. Well, they'd never betray me,
like, what a strange thing to say, for a guy who's lived a
life of intrigue? Like, how could he possibly
trust his household that much? So maybe it's something he says
to just change the subject or to move on.
Like he doesn't really believe that but he's just kind of
gaslighting Tyrion for some reason or maybe it's this like
the lamp guys not going to betrayal ear.
Because he's got nowhere else to go.
He's got no one else willing to take him.
Like if he quit silly Rio, he's gonna be a beggar, a homeless
beggar on the street. Like the other, the other light
post jobs are all taken by other people.
In other other Magister, their people rich people in pain.
Do you think it's like, hey, you need a new light guy.
Like no, of course, I don't need a new light guy.
I never have an opening. No, I when I have an opening, I
fill it like that. Like we never have like a job.
We're waiting for not for someone who is basically Old
anyway, yeah, so that's just the way it works.
Like the judge even places. Even the job market in a place
like, this is going to be just non-existent you, either do it
yourself or you fought, you get lucky, you get hired into
something or you get and it's not even miserly luck because
the job stinks and you're basically a Slave You know maybe
it's even if it's still manipulative or underhanded or
greedy or whatever ilario still my actually there might be some
truth to what he's saying because he might be wealthy
enough that he does pay all his servants enough to not want to
revolt or betray like not enough to be free.
Yeah. But better than anyone else.
Yeah. Just might pay his, you know,
it's a good point. Yeah, what?
So it's not like he may be wise enough to use his money in a way
to keep things secure around. Like he's not doing it for good
guy, reasons. But you're right.
It's just a it's a form of ruthlessness, it's like
calculated ruthless as well. I will just pay them slightly
more than anybody else and that'll ensure their loyalty you
know. Yeah.
Like they get free they get three from someone else I give
them for like why would they why would they quit 43 when they can
keep getting for for me, you know, and Robert and Ned when
they're discussing like assassinating.
Danny, of course, Ted hates the subject, but Robert is Robert
and he says, and this is one of the lines that we refer to when
we point out. How viserys was talking about it
earlier. See the higher knives coming
after him? Like, no, they were no hired
knives because Roberts like I should have gone after him when
I had the chance. You know, I should have had him
killed when I had the chance. And he is like, well, that means
you didn't try. Did you think now, he's in some
walled Mansion surrounded by pointy-headed eunuchs and he's
like a nice. Like we can't get to him now,
can you? Like, no, I can't which is
really telling like the King on the Iron.
Throne can't get inside this one mansion in pain talks, like he
can't bribe the right people, you can't.
Yeah, none of these things will. Partly because Roberts Master.
Whispers, virus. He's not gonna plan would never
assume once you have never worked but obviously that's only
part of the problem. I could sir problem despite
Robert doesn't even know that virus is connected to illyrio
and he still has this issue without that problem.
So yeah it says a lot about the strength of the Lee Rios like
mansion and looking his wild fortified mansion in the side
that you don't do that. If the city is like relatively
Safe and peaceful. And like that's the kind of
thing you do when it's your city has descended into post
capitalism where there's ever at the Haves and Have Nots and you
use security against the have-nots rather than pumping
that money into the economy, to make it like work for everyone.
You know, it's also something you do when you have excess
money. Yeah.
You know, like lower Lord, you might be wealthy and successful,
but not as much as ilario might not necessarily be investing in
that sort of security. The city isn't necessarily that
bad off, but It is not that well off either.
Yeah. We're told pentose produces a
lot of performers and sellswords the type of profession that it's
an independent professional, you don't get hired do it.
Well, you do with your sellsword.
I mean, but you first have to get good at fighting in order to
be hired in the sellsword. Same as a performer, you get
hired to perform but you have to learn that on your own and you
rarely like you can sure you can maybe go to a school for that
because it sound like there's performance schools in pain
toss. It sounds like You said they're
practicing juggling until you know how to do it.
Like you find three objects like stones, maybe like basically you
your skills and your body are your source of your income.
Not something people other people taught, you not not
education that you got at a university or school or from
middle class or wealthy parents. So Penthouse, produces a lot of
people like this. For example, Penny and Oppo and
their father, hot Bean. May our may not be from Pain to
we don't know where they're from, but they were hired in
pain pots. It's a place where performers,
well, it's a place for performer, whatever A lot of
them reproduce there, so maybe they are from there, but we
won't be too. Actually, if your name was Pana
instead of cutting, it might be more.
Sure, that's a good point Boppo though, that that fits to, it's
got the double consonants and the o ending right hand.
That's right too. But we do know what the tattered
princess real name is, but guess it ends in 0.
I do. It has a g.
Tadow, tadow Takeo. The manse gifted to Khal Drogo.
Speaking of excess, wealth, as you mentioned a minute ago,
Shawn it has nine towers and sits.
By the way, they just gave it to him.
Like here you go. We got an extra nine towered
Mansion for you just we just had an extra you know my collection
of mansions. What's one less, right?
It's extremely fancy and nice but here's the thing it's a
quirk of this who owns it now, like Dothraki don't just pass
their things down to their sons, right?
You don't you don't become called because your son was like
it happens, okay? Asian Ali, but that's because
you earn it. Like, are you brought along and
prove yourself? You don't just get it handed to
you, right? So who owns this thing now?
They just probably just took it back.
They're like well well hold on to it till another called, just
some other big call comes along. Will give it to that guy.
But Danny might show him being like so this is mine, right?
Because it was my husband's, where's my manse?
Yeah. I feel like a way for her to
know you know negotiate another wrinkle to that is it probably
wasn't just sitting empty while. Always running around in his
horse. Right me?
What are probably? We're renting it out to people.
They're probably holding events and storing stuff and like, they
are ya sure, it's yours. We'll see you later and this is
to their regular business. You know, maybe they cleared
some certain areas out or yeah, most valuable stuff but he
hardly used it like he we see when he's there and then Danny
and viserys show up, he meets many leads.
He goes to his khalasar out in the sea and then he's like,
y'all can stay here. Danny.
And viserys could stay at the nine powered mansion.
REI drug only stays there like a day or two.
Like I'd rather be with my men. No, I'm a call.
Okay, I get it, you would never notice or care that the top
three floors of each Tower were storing grain.
You know, they I guarantee you that whoever gave it to him with
still profiting off of ya now. So, there's a, I mentioned
earlier comes up here. I had this in the notes when
Danny shows up for her to meet Drogo, there's other calls.
There's other Highborn. There's Red Priest, there's
sellswords and Bravo. So there's lowborn and Highborn,
there's a leech, there's everything, but there's no women
09. He's like I'm the only woman
here. What the hell?
That's weird, right? Like I don't quite understand
that but I think maybe pentose might be even more gendered as a
sign of my feet worse than average which is pretty bad in
this setting for occluding women from Power.
Like they might like they're not even there like just like you
would be some women. They're like this is a fancy
like I said hang like that's weird, right?
Is it a pin tucks thing? All right, adults, Rocky thing,
but could be a Dothraki thing. Yeah.
Maybe that was or even a crack. Yeah, that's a good point
because it's Rocky women. Definitely are treated very low.
Yeah, maybe they just like I could see that.
Like maybe the pentoshi were like, let's not have any women
here because those Dothraki are gonna like lose take our women,
if I'm there specifically rapers and pillagers like what is
anyone in this house? Gonna do some Dothraki Warrior
comes up and just take it. Have some girl daughter takes
your wife whatever. Well you got to fight them, just
don't bring your wives your daughters to this event.
You're right. You're right.
I think this is a great guess. Yeah, I think you guys nailed
it. I did not that have not occurred
to me but yeah, you're right. Yeah.
What happened at the wedding
like each other? Okay, yeah.
It may even on some level make Danny see more special to yeah.
Yeah, yeah. I might also make her seem more
scared or be more switch. See what they're not.
Definitely have that. Effect.
She was it did that was her reactions, like, with a, with
the start of fright. You notice that she was the only
woman there, something like that, and it's hard to be the
most beautiful woman at the event.
When you're the only woman. That's right.
Tenon on the street is the most beautiful woman I've ever seen.
Eating a horse Kebab Kebab. Yeah.
By the Conchords reference. That's can get it for a second.
Let's talk about government and religion in.
And toss. Here's a quote from your Leiria
in pintos. We have a prince, my friend, he
presides at ball and feasts and rides about the city.
In a palanquin of Ivory and gold 3, Harold's go before him with
golden scales of trade, Iron Sword of War, and the silver,
and the silver scourge of justice.
And the first day of each new year, he must deflower.
The made of the fields and the made of the Seas.
Hell, are you? Lean forward?
Elbows on the table. Yet her crop fail or Or be lost.
We cut his throat to appease the gods and choose a new prints
from monks, the 40 families. Now, this in the world of Ice
and Fire describes this very similarly basic backs illyrio up
and it's suggest that this is perhaps a rising from the
mysterious origins of pre Valerian pentose so yeah, maybe
the beliefs of the original pentoshi are reflected here
because this yeah this isn't the lyrium although they're not
opposed to sacrifice, certainly they have different reasons for
it and they certainly valyrians I I think they've learned would
have ever been cool with sacrificing members of the
elite, that's kind of against the way they run things.
So it's pretty interesting that this anecdote comes at a time
when Tyrion is lamenting, how he can't go back to Westeros,
because he's a regicide, can Slayer and Trader.
And Italy are basically waves it off, like that's nothing a king.
Can just say you're absolved. And it's all and it's just as
simple as that. It really is.
Just that simple a king and it will absolve you of all that,
literally all of it and everyone has to treat you like you have
broken. No laws.
Now doesn't mean they will but as far as the official Authority
goes you're all well and good. Hilarious right.
If Danny or young Griff where to just declare Tyrion, okay?
Then he is a okay unless another you know, less that King is then
overthrown and an anti Tyrion person is put in their place and
then reverses all that. But basically illyrio is right
to point to just the way their system works and even Tyrion
isn't really taking proper account of and then he sort of
looks down on, he's like, well, look and you look down on the
will of kings and princes because he's pentoshi in a
society that has made a system out of sacrificing, the nobility
for their failures resent. Its results base not processed
base, they're not like your plan was bad, so we're going to kill,
you know, it's like bad things happen.
They could be entirely, not your fault, it can be BC, not your
fault but the will of the Gods is what it is.
I mean, we know what gods were talking about like who, which
gods, like they do not even named here.
Yeah, but this, this practice is still in play.
And in some ways, it's really good because it keeps the excess
of the nobility from that, like, tyranny.
And it prevents things like tyranny of one individual, it
keeps like long-standing power, you know, its power changes
every year, no matter what. That's good, you know, I got but
it sort of just shifts things towards the that power doesn't
remove that power. Does it just shifts that power
towards the magisters in the 40 families?
It's still there. It's still being wielded over
the commons. It still is the reason there's
no middle class now or so it seems but it's harder for the
power to be mobilized. That's you know, it's harder
for. Yeah.
Heaps restaurants also keeps the truck with internal rather than
conquering. Yeah there's a lot of pros and
cons because it also it things are less transparent.
It's hard to know the motivations and actions of all.
Sporty people behind the scenes of this one leader.
But at least this one, L can't just declare war.
Yeah. Or raise taxes twenty percent or
something like that. There's another, I remember
talking about this in the past. I wish I could remember which
episode it was with the context was, but I just remember
thinking about the idea that it's maybe, I don't have to say
exactly. But like, more fair, more better
motivation for the leader. I think it even says in a world
of Ice and Fire that there is a, it's sort of the prince, is sort
of just a figurehead, yeah, right.
He doesn't, Really have that much power.
He's mostly just a figurehead, probably kind of like the modern
Queen of England or King of England or whatever, you know,
but there still is some ability. Some leadership that that Prince
can wheel, right? Like if he does take the
initiative to set up grain storage and then there's a
drought, hey, good thing. I said out.
This grain storage. We're not all starving, so you
don't have to kill me. You know, they can plan ahead,
they can take some action and wield some leadership.
Even if it's only to keep themselves from being killed,
it's still result with better policies and stabilization, and
I can imagine a shrewd, proactive Prince, might do a
lot. Make a good positive difference,
especially the interacts with the different Lords, the chose
him, but my guess is also, they don't usually do that.
Yeah, there aren't really aware they live.
These pampered lives in Ivory Towers and or, you know,
probably a mix of the Tatar prints.
Like ran away is like screw that.
I'm not gonna risk. Yeah, he didn't smart.
I think it'd be a nice story to learn about some of the details
of those people how they're chosen, how they deal with it
and start. Yeah, it is a lot of interesting
Dynamics from like a power and political standpoint.
Yeah, it's really like they have a basically, a built-in
scapegoat for everything. So the nobility can possibly get
away with whatever because they just, this guy always gets the
blame for it. Someone that they put in front
of everybody to say. Okay this is our next
sacrificial, lamb for whatever crap we pull or whatever.
Happens randomly. We're not going to take the fall
for it, no matter what. It's always going to be this
person and it's never, again, it's never a princess of the
field. There is the maiden of the
fields in the maiden of the Seas, which are part of that.
It says, they have to Prince, has to sleep with both of them
as part of it, which is odd. But, you know, you can kind of
see how that fits into ancient fertility beliefs, and things of
that nature. Yeah, Nina since bit, it's a bit
of having their cake and eating it too.
There are advantages to having a single executive, which is why
so many governments. Do in times of Crisis, or
danger, can be advantageous to have a single person who can
make decisions on behalf of the state, in the best interest of
the best interest of it. Obviously, it assuming leader
actually has the best interest of the state in mind.
The Magister of pentos. Get the benefit of having a
single executive in the moments, where a single executive is
advantageous. Like if there is a war that guy
is in charge, even though there's power behind the throne,
they can influence. Him, he still going to have
executive Authority but it's only going to last for a year,
which is odd like if a lot of Wars go for more than one year.
So you can be kind of weird to change leadership Midstream
there. They said they can be kind of
problematic but anyway but ultimately it's a so very
retrograde just putting everything on results rather
than process. It just I just makes me squirm.
It's like no matter what you just can't blame someone for
something that's out of our control.
I hate the lack of accountability in the system.
It's bothers me is you know, You said though it's you know, as
long as they have as long as their motivations are also
what's in the best interest of the state but they are more
likely to be motivated with in the best interest of their state
if their life depends on it. Yeah.
That's true.
Nina rights of the government of King's Landing and has like a
parody of that. Where yeah, the ritual
intercourse between The Prince and the maid of the see the
made. It feels feels like a caricature
of the West Rossi obsession with ceiling claims on power through
dynastic marriages, which always Puts the burden on the woman
because they have to go join a new family and have kids with
someone. They didn't choose and they're
the glue that holds these alliances together without
having very much saying to it, which intends Oz.
It seems like, that's even more extreme.
Like, the women are even more marginalized and used his
possessions. And it also says a lot about
illyrio like what his values are and what he expects from this
Arrangement, what he expects to get out of his investment.
He expects to benefit from putting a gun on the throne or
Danny or both of them or whatever.
And to expects the puppets to dance Hebrides them.
And once results for those crimes, like he bribed that one
volunteen try Arc and like eight enough to buy him, eight times
over. It says, but it's just still
won't behave the way he expects. Now, that's a person that would
be hard for illyrio to kill his, the try Arc in volantis and well
that's far away. And you know, it's no easy
thing. Just wrap our there's trouble
again But Danny, Oregon and a little maybe that's different
things especially if they're they have proximity to him.
So yes, very interesting. These motivations of ilario to
these plays, he's making this money, he's paying his alliances
that he expects some sort of return expects to have some
power behind the throne or whatever.
Yes, that's a weird, crazy thing about ilario.
Yeah, no. That's little finger Tywin.
You know, every other character has the same sort of most of the
characters in powers of position, have very similar
sorts of motivations. Yeah, Nina.
Also writes that In addition to the aspect of see marriage as
being sealed by women and women who are expected to be virgins
for these Arrangements that comes up pretty big.
In those few examples of this like highwind being perplexed,
the Tyrion won't sleep with Sansa like because once you do
like she's basically yours, you know, in quotes like you've kind
of own her at that point. Like why don't you want to own
her? You know like like I think of
several reasons. Well, Tywin is still perplexed,
the tyrians answers like well that's silly.
You know you want her to love you like are you stupid?
She's not going to like when she met much time when dead that
part I was right but doesn't have to be so rude about it but
still you know. So yeah there's other examples
like whence you have consummated, the marriage it's
official like that is a thing that even in our society is
somewhat established as like like that is a still legally
like to this day. It's a much easier to get an
annulment in a marriage if it hasn't been constant, right?
Like this sex is still codified into marriage today in our world
and well in a lot of ways, but I'm not.
Obviously you can't speak to all World laws but I know that's
true in America. I mean that's wild to think bad
but of course we have there's a lot of religious influence on
our lawmaking. So yeah, there you go.
It's a parallel to the real world.
So there's these 40 families. We hear the biggest power in
pain tosses. He's 40 families, which is
pretty interesting because there were 40 dragonlord families.
I wonder if they copied that number Shawn.
You suggest maybe see the way around, that's possible.
Yeah, I'm not really sure Nina says that seems extremely
doubtful. Why would the the dragonlords
copy pentose because they're so pointy toity and you know the
elite won't copy someone else's. I don't know if it's that simple
but yeah also just think the lariat probably had established
that or earlier. But maybe not my accountant
would probably be that and toss copied valyria but you're right
Sean or maybe some other Central thing that they both were
copying. Okay.
Also a jerk. Yeah, that makes sense.
Yeah. Like an older.
Something older maybe something from a shy or Tsar nor, who
knows. But Nina also points out that
there was the 40 families 41. Eventually after some famous
Infamous deadlock electors, who historically chose the Doge's of
Venice, which not quite Genoa, but Barry Simms, Euler
regionally connected. So you have the 40 families of
Venice choosing the Doge, which is basically the prince so that,
yeah, that feels very much an dommage.
The pentoshi gods. We don't know that much about
them. We know that, you know, there's
this this belief that may predate Valyrian influence about
the prince of prints and the Maiden of the fields and
agencies. But apparently, there's more
that just hasn't been revealed. Here's a quote from Fire and
Blood Many are queer. God is worshipped in pentos.
The dress was known to keep but one small household Idol, like
unto a woman great with child with swollen breasts and bats
head cheese. All the god I need is all he
would say upon the matter. Now, what is that?
She was all the god, I need like, that's your one.
God, a bat headed pregnant lady. That's weird, man.
It's very lovecraftian. It's like George RR Martin's.
Obscure default for obscure. God's is Lovecraft is like I'm
gonna make it some animal head, which Really isn't that
different from non low like Egyptian gods, all have animal
heads. So maybe I'm maybe I'm reading
too much Lovecraft into it because there is a lot of love
crafting these other gods but still swollen breasts and
pregnancy is very common for fertility Idols.
They're very common for gods and idols and things objects of
worship so that part George is attaching to a very common
religious tradition from The Real World.
So that's that's cool. Now, of course, the sacrifice
part is also a big part of real world Traditions here.
There and like Nina says, the Doge of Venice would do a
marriage of the sea every year. The dojin is Court, would sail
out to a Barrier island in the lagoon of Venice, patriarch of
Venice would preach a benediction.
And then, the Doge would throw a ring into the sea while
announcing that Dennis was thereafter, wedded to the Sea.
And every year, they would renew this, this is very similar, just
a lot less bloody and they're just getting rid of a ring.
Instead of a, you know, a person Nina rides, Casanova, joked that
if the famous Centaur, the ceremonial barrage of the Doge
has capsized during the event. The Doge would finally be able
to consummate the marriage. Ha ha.
We love the name Casanova. One of our cats is he hasn't
over. That's right.
And Nina says, also, there is a parallel with the Aztec Feast of
talks. Glottal ahead of the feast, a
young male warrior typically a prisoner of war would be chosen
to impersonate the God tezcatlipoca and would live in
luxury and be revered as a God for one year.
At the end of the year, after marrying for women.
So he gets the nice. Often this person are the guys,
we sacrifice you get a year of extreme luxury culminating, with
marrying for women and then being killed like damn, and then
they would do that all over again.
So, yeah, that's very similar as well.
You can really see a lot of it's amazing.
How many of these elements of pentos or in the real world.
Like, Yeah. The Real World used to do this
to y'all. Can I be chosen for that when
I'm 75? Yeah.
Terry would be that like, when I'm in a tea, you know, and a
die with a full belly of wine. A hand on each braid.
Yeah, that's Be close, right? Oh wait, bonus points is used
for pronouncing, tezcatlipoca correctly.
Did I think it would be cool. All right, thank you.
Bonus points for pronouncing it smoothly.
How effective? My head?
Yeah, sound right. Just say it confidently.
Most of y'all aren't going to know if I got it right or not
like yeah, I probably right. So here's a quote, that combines
a lot of what we've learned here.
Of the elements from what we've discussed, both Regional
religious ancient history, sacrifice other ethnicities.
All in one, an old Legend told in pentos claims the Andals
slew, the swan maidens who lured Travelers their deaths in the
Velvet Hills that lied to the east every city, a hero, whom
the pentoshi singers Paul, who co-led the anvils at that time.
And it is said that he slew, the seven, Maids, not for their
crimes but instead as sacrificed his Gods there are some maesters
who have noted that hook oh May well be a rendering of the name
of Who-ville. So hook uh, certainly or hukou,
maybe certainly sounds like it, fits with the naming conventions
from before the double consonant + O finisher.
Yeah, very much on point there. That's cool.
You got some and all Hero, the pentoshi had their own name for
maybe sort of loosely in the tradition of his Aura High,
where you have different names, maybe for the same heroic
figure. This is, of course, not some
sort of big, legendary hero that's remembered for all time.
This is a much smaller scale person.
But still, if they LED people to slay the swan maidens who were
capturing people and pulling them under.
See, that's a pretty important thing.
Stop the rate of the ravaging of the the evil of the Swan
maidens. Bassam kind of like sirens
really. That's what I was equating in my
mind. Yeah, either way, I still, it
still seems like a, I fought allying with my bare hands.
I slayed the dragon with my sword, I killed some women.
Do they sing? They sang though they were
beautiful. Okay, what point am I supposed
to be happy? Yeah.
Well here's the heroism here. Like, what was what was the hard
part? Like what do you have to
overcome? Like decency, you know, like
Morals. You had no right to call
overcome. My morals to Slade.
He's innocent women. While maybe they're not
interested, but yeah, he doesn't sound good, doesn't it?
Yeah. Now of course there's also non
pentoshi Gods worshipped in pentos as we saw in Danny's
wedding. There were red priests
everywhere, including one that was bigger than alirio, which is
meant to show. I think the corruption the the
degradation of asceticism and things like that.
If you're a priest and you've eating and drinking that Much of
close to your God. Are you really?
Unless your God is a god of, let's just like, you know,
you're in the cult of Dionysus and I said the go right.
Go right ahead, man. You know, but we're Laura isn't
really about that. Like the narrow is like daunting
and yeah male solder doesn't even eat or drink barely really
does exist to keep up appearances, right?
All right, that's our first half.
We don't know what other gods or worship, intense Hast, but we
can assume it's kind of similar to a lot of places that have a
trading Port. Like, they're open to lots of
different gods because you want the different Sailors to have
their needs met and not to have too many trouble, but that too
much. Do you want to be a safe haven,
a safe space for whatever God, you want to worship.
Whether it's the black goat of cohort or the Weeping Lady of
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term. Brandon Price has the prince
deflower two maidens, a year for sea and land Prosperity.
Reminds me the king stag ritual in The Mists of Avalon pentoshi.
Definitely give me Celtic Gaelic Vibes.
Not just, not just that but other parts of it at least as
well. Yeah, I totally agree.
I'm not super familiar with the Mists of Avalon.
That's know my mother read it. Yeah.
Marion Zimmer Bradley of leave unfortunately Marion Zimmer
Bradley is a horrible person but that didn't come out until yeah,
I read the books. Worry later.
Yeah, really, really bad personnlity.
George thought, she George had cited her number times also
because probably didn't know what a horrible person.
She was because that really came out like 10 years ago.
Yeah. Like after her death Basin.
So she she never had to answer for her crimes in life but my
God stories her children tell are just unbelievably bad, sorry
about that. Y'all.
If you're a fan of Marion, Zimmer Bradley is a rough way to
find that out. But yeah, The Mists of Avalon is
a really big story. It's really popular.
Did really well. It was still widely read I
believe. I don't think that many people
still don't know about the Marion Zimmer Bradley is person
which would be a turn-off for a lot of folks.
But when people just, yeah, not aware of it.
How can you take that into account?
I can't comment specifically on the parallels because like I
said, I haven't read it. But yeah, my mom used to tell me
a lot about it. She loved it.
Yeah, they were good right on. Lala Tov, nice.
Name. Love that name.
Grant. Lola top.
I like not having firm ideas of population.
It's not like anyone is going out and Counting.
Yeah. Why would they have a census?
And why would they yeah? So use just doesn't even know
how many draftable peasants he has in three villages, the live
nearby him. Yeah, that's a great Point.
Like a more well-to-do Lord might bother counting but sir
Eustace you can use this is Lands.
Have the feel of disrepair. Like he just doesn't care
anymore. He's so sad and bitter and it
might not have Has much to do with being well-to-do, or not
with being competent, or motivated, or it's probably a
lot of the above, not just one, but I just want to point out.
So, Your shirt, your shirt, by the way, is east.
Is the Valyrian steel? Cranwell?
They, this is not. This is not the blur, it should
be. But as we saw on TV, this is the
TV version of the crown, which looks like it's regular iron and
not blurring steel. It's supposed to be wearing
steel. But this is the TV version and I
don't it doesn't look like Clarence teal to me they might
be but they called it iron and show it's hard to capture it on
a t-shirt. Yes.
Wearing a Star Trek shirt I could classic Star Trek.
Sure with her and Spock but I just want to Out that I have a
t-shirt on underneath this, which is the guys are here.
Molotov cocktails, actual Molotov.
Yes, fight ever. Thought of that?
I think I prefer a lot of cocktails.
Why are you wearing two shirts? I'm worried because you bring
are you active. Are you really working for to
sure. Yeah he pulled his other shirt.
I used to wear a t-shirt underneath.
Yeah I woke up. I see Denver Summer.
Yeah. Pretty warm right now actually.
Krusty the Clown. Oh yeah.
If you wear for several days, it'll be a crusty crusty.
The I've got a crown, you've got a clown.
So don't frown. I suck.
Recent history of Pentecost since most of our sources are
westerosi, what much of what we know about pentose comes from
dealings with Westeros, or when the conflicts are big enough for
Westeros to take note, of course that is fueled by the proximity.
As well. We don't hear actually that much
about the Doom from pentos this perspective probably because,
you know, even though it had to have been a big deal, the fact
that there was a lesser concentration of Highborn,
valyrians by less visits by dragonlords and less.
Estates and mansions owned by dragonlords.
It probably just had a smaller effect overall.
I mean not that it wouldn't have been big but compare it to
cohort or where they raised where a dragon, lord raised the
population to make an army or volantis.
Where they just got all up in arms about conquering, the other
three cities Penthouse was more. Like, How do we protect our
Trade Network? You know, that's the people that
ruled their did their thing and you wonder how the transition of
the whole Prince of pinto system and sacrifice how that existed
under the Freehold versus, not like the did the system come
back after the Freehold did they not have that when the Freehold
was around? I don't think so.
I think they did because they were allowed to run the city of
the way they want it. I mean that's why they're called
the free cities. The valyria buried is expected
things from them, but it didn't. Interrupt their day-to-day way
of handling their business, or their local politics.
So I think they probably still had that Prince of pentos thing.
Otherwise, it wouldn't have survived to the modern times,
probably I doubt they re revived a thousands of year old
tradition, that no one had done and like 5,000 year, although
the iron board did that with the Kings mood still, it was
unlikely. Kind of note was made, they were
redoing. Yeah.
Exactly were like, oh, what a good idea.
And that's and that's and it's a one time thing, maybe not
rather, maybe not And thing, I don't know, maybe it'll be a
recurring thing but any too early to tell ya, what we did
also get the perspective that it has come to be more of a
position of what's the word I'm looking for ceremonial?
Someone's come to be more ceremonious.
So that seems like something that would have had to have
happen. I wonder if one of the three
hold it might have actually been more authoritative or meaningful
or maybe that's why I became so ceremonial because they could
they had exercised less power under the freeholds guiding or.
Yeah. Man, but maybe not if it just
yeah but either way I can see it becoming.
Yeah, because of that more ceremonial because they had less
legal Authority Under the Freehold, maybe a now.
And after so long, it didn't revert to being think of power.
After thousands of years of just being ceremonial.
I kind of hope and expect to find out more.
I mean, it just takes one more conversation between ilario and
far as or Tywin or that time Tyrion or whoever, you know, to
just two or three paragraphs can just force explode.
Yeah. Matter knowledge.
And Yeah I agree. I think we're going to learn
more. I mean, as we've said and it's
not casual, there's a lot of reason to think there's still
plenty. More is going to happen in
pentos and that's got even more description of the city if not
its history. So when volantis tried to begin,
their Imperial pretensions pentose was one of those who
formed the alliance and stopped. In fact, pentos and tie Roch.
First, they had the help of argilac, the Arrogant,
eventually they 10,000 Irish actually sent people to go talk
to aegon the Conqueror before he was the Conqueror and he joined
them and, you know, burned that Fleet at license and thought
volunteen. So pentose an egg on had a
little bit of relationship there, the Dothraki emerging
during the Doom, in the Centre of blood would be the start of
their policy of huge bribes, right?
That wouldn't have. They wouldn't have needed to do
that before they would have had. I mean, the diffraction wouldn't
be rain. Aging all the way across the
entire Freehold to get the penthouse, that would be an
extremely remote location for them to even begin to approach
and the dragonlords would stop them.
So yeah, there's no, this would be a completely, one of the
biggest features of the new world of the post Doom world for
them to deal with the existence of the Dothraki.
The emergence that's track. As probably when that Sphinx was
taken, right? And it would be a symbol of the
new world. They're like, well we're no
longer bowing down to the sinks as were bowing down to the
people that can take the Sphinx's back to their home.
Really really far away how they wield that thing on logs like
damn. That's far.
Yeah, but it's not nearly the first time they've done
something like that. So we very frequency, pentoshi
guests at Major West Rossi, made events like weddings carnations
turn. He's too many to list.
Really, when Meg or went into Exile, after refusing to give up
his second wife, he took Blackfire his second wife and
balerion with him to live there. His second wife stayed when he
returned. But as soon as he won his trial
of seven, she came over. So she was treated well over
there. In the meantime I don't suppose,
they would want to piss Meg or off.
That's Sounds like a really dumb thing to do Grand maester
bennifer fled to pentos when Meg or took over.
So he like Meg or comes over bennifer goes the bench off like
a switch places and then when Meg or died Lourdes Buck well
and Rowling furred fled to pentos and Men of bennifer
returned beautiful. These people that were going to
Penthouse to escape nigger, and then going back to King's
Landing when Nick or died. So a lot of it just goes to show
that, it's just so close that it's convenient place to flee to
it. Easiest place to find a ship to.
You got to get out in a hurry. You're probably going to get out
to Penthouse. You know, like Aria got shipped
the Bravo's. That was kind of random and more
likely that the first ship she stumbled on, would have been a
pentoshi. Of course, they wouldn't have
taken her because she didn't have money.
They only to volunteer at the Bravo ship only took her cause
she had the right coin, but still George didn't need a
right. Like five different ships for
her to get on before she found the right one.
That would have been a bit of a waste Yeah, 22 magisters
attended the golden wedding in 49 AC.
And that's an interesting number because we don't know how many
magisters there are but well, it's at least 22 and it's
probably more than that because I doubt all of the magisters
attended. There's probably a few who were,
like, two old travel, or just didn't want to, or didn't think
was a good idea to put all your eggs in one golden wedding
basket? I don't know.
The next year, the Year 50, AC Rigo drives was made master of
coin. He was shunned for his low birth
in pentos, but he had become the richest man in the city.
And Jairus was like well that's the guy.
One for my master of coin. He became unpopular though in
Westeros and eventually was murdered in the streets and
Jerry's was yes Jerry's hunted down those responsible and was
vicious to them. There was no creating there,
that was all Justice for the murdered Alyssa farman passed
through there. Several times under her real
name, and her assumed name and before, and after she had her
shipped sunchaser In 52 after being allies against the
volunteers pentoshi. Entire Arch entered a trade War
by the year. 55, the trade War had, run it along way and they
were both getting tired of it. So they had jaehaerys try to
conciliate for the like hey Jerry's can you make the deal
for us? Can you negotiate a something
for us? And he did you negotiate, a
peace deal and both sides were really unhappy about Tyra hated
it and the prince of pentos. Those who came to the deal, was
sacrificed like, okay, well, there you go, that's that's not
surprising. Is it sacrifice their friends
because they didn't like the result.
Mmm, the following year was when the balerion Arabia episode
occurred and there was reports that there was some monster in
the Velvet Hills and so, William, the WASP a kingsguard
night was dispatched with, with some soldiers, to go.
See if it was balerion. It was not, it was an ambush and
they were all murdered sir. Williams head was returned to
recode r. As I think, with Rico and today
wanted to go, like one of the small counselors was like, we
got to go punish the pentoshi and Joe Harris is like you're
just brigands outside the city. Like that's not the fault of the
whole city. Like we can't blame them for
that and Nina says, this may have been what illyrio is
referring to there. Lived a den of robbers who
preyed on all who pass This way. Well, this was a den of robbers
who they used. A really weird story of monster.
That was killing people, just maybe to hide the fact that it
was them and keep would be authorities from coming.
Because authorities might be willing to hunt down people,
they may balk at hunting down some monster.
But we'll in the WASP was specifically hunting for a
monster, so they had to check it out.
Warehouse is why I'm The Wasp from, or is he from a house?
Where do we know I don't recall? I don't think he was Abby's
burry but they have been a bastard.
Yeah, yeah, I'm quite happy but someone could look that up while
we're sitting here. Yeah, I don't recall who would
houses from how we do now. I think.
So in Fire and Blood, and as portrayed on House of the
Dragon, Damon Smallwood swollen. Okay Williams.
Whoa. Okay.
Yeah. So, I don't know why it's called
blame the WASP I forget. I don't think I've ever heard
that character before. So, it's cool.
I wanted to Harry. Thank God.
He was just a Sworn Sword, so while small.
Whoa, whoa, okay. He was literally my dad does
not. No last name, no house.
Okay. All right, they probably took
that as his personal sigil wasp that maybe that might explain
it. Anyway, that's not too relevant
to pentos in Fire and Blood. It has portrayed on houses
Dragon, Damon and Elena were courted by the prince of pentos
not just for their prestige. But because they saw the try,
our key is an enemy and the track.
He hated Damon. So they're like well the enemy
of my enemy is my friend kind of situation that scene was pretty
cool on it, on House of the Dragon with the prince of pentos
like our Damon's is like sitting there Reserve like yeah you're
all your praise. I know what you're after here,
bro. I know what it's, you know, I'm
not blown away by all your generosity.
I know I'm a badass, powerful bad as that.
You want as an ally and I'm not going to come cheap.
And of course, Bela and Raina were born there.
And, of course, Lena died there too.
But I'm the books Elena dies adrift Mark.
So, that's a difference that's worth pointing out here.
She doesn't die in pain toss in books and Raina is called Rain
of Pain toss for a long time. So that's kind of fun to point
out as well. At the end of the dance of the
dragons and the year 131, pentas joined with Bravo's and Laura to
take on the try our key. This is one of the many backs
and force over the stepstones. Nothing new.
We talked about in our stepstones episode and of
course, it doesn't stop here. It's a ongoing fight, but
Penthouse was later. Cut out of the deal.
They were an ally with braavos and tie Roch later.
Laura app is also no longer part of it by this time.
And they just got excluded. They're like actually pen sauce,
you're not part of this. We're going to take over the
stepstones with our other allies and you get screwed.
What's interesting about this is 10 toss had two centuries of War
off and on with Bravo's that overlaps this time of being
their Ally. So maybe this is part of why
they were cut out of the deal or part of why it has to load is
resumed because they were maybe had been some bad blood or just
brought the Bad Blood back because yes six Wars six Wars
with braavos. And so at least one of those six
would have happened by the point where they were an ally with
braavos. And then some point dumped from
that Alliance because about Final of those six Wars was in
the year 2009. So for it to have happened over
the course of two centuries. We go we gotta go well before
131 to cover two centuries from 209 that's only like 78 years.
Yeah. Since Bravo's, tie rajendran
Dune ends up losing to the sneak attack of oh confessed who
earned his nickname open fist in that sneak attack kind toss.
Could look at that as our groups like good thing they cut us out
of the arrangement because then we would have fought a losing
naval battle against the, what stassi.
So I might have been work to their benefit.
They weren't on the losing side of that, didn't have to worry
about it and only a few years later.
Things got so much better. The lysine spring was in full
swing, huh? Poetry And trade in the narrow
sea was peeking. It was booming and of course if
trading the narrow sea is booming, Penthouse is benefiting
greatly as we. Let her Point as we pointed out
earlier, they're literally in the center so they had to do
quite well with that. But then we get back to these
wars with Bravo's for, as I said, the first few centuries of
Targaryen rule in Westeros concern.
Coincided with pentose fighting the six Wars with braavos.
It may have been in part because of that, something that changed
in the narrow Seas Paradigm because of of aegon and Kings,
Landing being built informed, and all this new stuff happening
may have changed just the scenario for a lot of houses and
that may have trickle-down effect of that may have been
some new trade Wars fight and of course we're still relatively
new in braavos is existence at this point.
So a lot of things changed ostensibly at least where I was
just fighting over slave trade to.
Yeah, right. Like I'm sure they don't mind
the side effect of you know, the loot and pillage.
The land they take from pentos or whatever.
But that was at least ostensibly a motivation.
Yeah. So yeah.
There's there's at least. There's three things they fought
over. Apparently one was.
Yes. Slavery Bravo's trying to stop
them from it. Also over trade and also over
land of course, land is the most Bang, we see people fighting
over, I suppose not ideological things.
But in this case it's all those things.
So pentas lost four of those six Wars and one of their two wins
it's pretty sketchy. That's all as I'll bring up in a
minute here it wasn't even necessarily a win, but the sixth
of the wars was in the year 2009 that ended in 2009 which is the
same year as the Hedge Knight and the great spring sickness,
the great spring sickness may have also in fact, likely that
SOS as well. It probably wasn't only confined
in Westeros and if it hit Westeros, including King's
Landing, which it hit big time. It almost really hit Penthouse,
which is as it says daily, their ships going back and forth
between the two places, it's pretty hard for Penthouse to
have escaped that. This would have been an ongoing
thing that flared up from time to time between braavos and
pentose need to says, the fact that braavos was willing to
fight six Wars over at least in part over an ideological issue.
Means that braavos was feeling pretty secure about itself in
their position at the time that they would be willing.
Like, you don't start ideological Wars when unless you
got crazy people or you're very well prepared to do like that.
It's almost a luxury to start an ideological war.
It's a weird way to phrase it but in a kind of see where I'm
coming from like it. Are expensive.
And if you're not fighting me over things that you get a
profit from then you must really care about this and you must
really have enough to afford it. So the boat things have to be in
place for it to happen. So yeah, in that year 2009 while
people were dying of the spring sickness for princes of pentos
were executed to two failures in one year due to this failing in
the war in the 5th. Prince was a guy named Navi
owner Otis. He found a way to end the war.
He apparently bribes some braavosi to lose a battle or at
least make it look like a loss or something in between.
Then he convinced the Magister of pentos to take the leverage
of this sketchily one. Battle and used it to sue for
peace. Of course, the piece he was
trying to protect was all, is synonymous with his own head.
All right. Because it basically, females
here, he's gonna die. It's not to be the 5th.
Prince executed in one year is where you got to be pretty thick
to not. See that possibility is like I
do. I what am I so worried about?
I don't this is where Nina says, there may be a sense here in
which the power of the magistrates is not infinite
either. Yes, they can sack and murder
and he prints. They like it pretty much any
time but if they exercise that power too frequently, The puppet
won't do, what the puppet supposed to the puppets, going
to. Very obviously try to save its
own life right? When it that's just it's just
too blatant in cases like this like four Prince's murdered or
executed in like what six or seven months or whatever.
However long it was less than a year.
So like very blatant right? This this whole system of
ritualised victim blaming or whatever.
Not even victim-blaming, just blaming a guy scapegoat URI.
It really starts to All off a little bit in situations like
this where this becomes, you know, self-defeating it's also
the limits of how and why people accept the government can be
pushed, you know, even are. He's the king at some point be
like, okay, well we're going to revolt now at some point.
You don't have trust in the leader.
If ostensibly the idea is that it's the princes fault and so
we're going to kill him and get her new home will like, he's
only been Prince for like a month, like how much of his
fault? Like even a people at some point
are going to have to blame I want to something other than the
prince, who hasn't been there long enough to actually have an
effect, right? And so, they're going to start
to look to other Solutions. Hey, you magistrates choosing
this Prince? Maybe it's your fault, you know.
Like they're probably, they're probably happy and, or encourage
this Prince to come up with a plan.
That's a good point. Yeah, you're right.
Like, how do they how do the magisters Escape culpability for
their selection of the first place?
Like, well, we killed him, but you chose him like, you picked
this guy. So shouldn't some of the blame
falls on you. Yeah, it's a good point.
Like, if there are two, if they're not careful around at
the Whole, whole narrative could flip on them.
And the whole point is for them to absolve themselves
permanently of any event of just well, and if sent resolve them.
So, yeah. So that's, that's a really good
point. And need also makes another good
point about from braavos is perspective.
Yes, there's the ideological thing.
They want to end, put away from you away with slavery, but also
in terms of the land, yeah, we talked about fertile, it is.
So it's very valuable land and Bravo's itself is low on
farmable land, they're living in that Lagoon.
In a misty Lagoon. They don't have a lot of
Farmland. So controlling Farmland was very
valuable to them, not to mention they can build a ship in one day
Bravo, scan very famously, the Arsenal can do that Arsenal with
a capital a right and but to fuel the Arsenal you got to have
Timber to build those ships with and the Flatlands.
We know there's Orchards is probably other Timber.
Some of those Orchards might literally be just Timber Farms,
right? That's a thing we have Farms
also. So, so either way, you know,
they're not buying all their wood from The Forest of cohort
other. They probably are getting some
of it that way, but they'd rather get it themselves and not
have to pay for it. If you conquer the proper land,
it has the trees and you can do that.
And relevant to that is pentoses relative weakness, and
vulnerability to Warfare, which the braavosi were sure to take
note of and after losing this Final War, the sixth War, the
one they sued for peace over when Lost in 2009.
This is when they abolish slavery by order of the
braavosi. This is a Nicole mentioned by
illyrio but also their Navy was reduced to 20 ships gravas.
Like you can't have more than 20 warships for your state Navy and
no sellsword to can't hire sellswords.
I don't know how they would be stopped from doing the eyebrow.
And look they hire sellswords would probably be to fight
braavos and to throw off this Earth has illness this yoke.
That braavos is placed on them but they would have to do that
secretly before. Bravo's got wind of it and maybe
that would have to be handled carefully time.
It's on how How many and how quick they could do it without
it being discovered. Yeah.
And in the meantime, what are they going to do with just 20
ships, like they are going to build some ships and secret.
That's really hard to do building ships.
And secret is hard hard to pull off.
It's enough to defend what they have, but not enough to go with
tax someone else, which is what braavos is worried about.
Yeah, And so that's super relevant going forward as well.
The only 20 ships in no sellsword, we talked about why
Ben Johnson's vulnerable. Well, there you go.
That's a damn, like, that's all they have.
Danny like one strafing, run on drogue on and that's, that's the
20 ships gone right there. You know, and let alone someone
else coming like a potato Prince.
Brings the wind blowing in like those ships aren't good for
anything against his land assault, you know?
Worth noting that it's still like I was trying to point out
earlier that I think that they have.
I think their defense is the value that they provide to
everyone by being this Hub of Commerce, it just doesn't
behoove anyone trying to could take over Taiwan, if they wanted
to relatively easily, but it's just not worth it.
Like, you know, it's not worth destroying this profitable
sinner. You make more from it by it
existing than taking it over. Yeah, you know, same to kind of
like Japan after world. War to had to forego its
military but the US and most rest of the world didn't want it
to continue warring it wanted it to be productive.
Everyone benefited from it focusing on productivity rather
than Warfare and so I I feel like that's a big part of where
and tosses security come from. Is the lack of motivation to
attack? Yeah.
Now, that might fall apart. It had, you know, same thing
could be said of Genoa, but it's still got attacked, you know,
several times or yeah. I like the Dothraki.
Right? Like the this Rocky.
Have they get tons of money from pentos?
What's different about pentoses like well then he's like, why
don't the the frackie just destroy the slaver City, the
easy like well they have nowhere to sell their slaves to well
they're not selling their slaves to pentos there is because
slavery is illegal there. Right now there's there is
slaves in pentos that's actually our next section especially
because the diffraction are going to travel all the way to
Pentecost to sell, even if they could sell them there.
Why would they go all the way to pentos when asked for yunkai
marine? Valenti's are all much closer to
the Dothraki? Sea cohort.
All these places are Way closer. I don't know why they would walk
all the way over there to do that.
It would only come all the way to pentos.
So Mary Daenerys or something like that or if they if
something very big changes and they actually went to attack it
but yeah. They come there they get their
money and then they go home. So yeah, that's part of like
making numbers up. But they can go to pentos once a
year and get you know, eight thousand gold pieces, or they
could sack the city and get thirty thousand gold pieces.
One time and then nothing next year.
Nothing yet. Nothing X here, so it's better.
To just maintain this profitable system.
Yeah. Like if gahl drug awarded sack
pentose? Well, he just destroyed the city
where they gave him a nine tiered Mansion.
Like does he when he rather just have that and not fight at all
and just go fight someone else and also it just the district he
liked a challenge and it doesn't wouldn't be one there like this
crazy challenge will be the other Dothraki horde.
Is it also go to Penny attribute the now mad at them?
Yeah. Other free cities.
It depend on Trevor. Other than now feel like they
need to do something about the built where I could like people
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Yeah, let's talk about the situation of slavery Then tossed
because well, it has been banned, but it still happens and
we see that in a number of places through a number of povs
talk about it. First off with Tyrion slaves,
the dwarf asked pointedly the fat man.
Stroke one of the prongs in his oiled, yellowbeard a gesture
Tyrion found remarkably. Obscene savior is forbidden in
pintos by the term, the treaty, the braavosi imposed on us, 100
years ago, still they won't Not refuse, you Tyrion figured it
out quickly enough but long before that in her first
chapter, Danny did as well. Here's that quote illyrio
servants entered bowed and set about their business.
They were slaves a gift from one of the magisters many tooth
racki friends. There was no slavery in the free
city of pentos. Nonetheless they were slaves.
The old woman, small and gray as a mouse never said a word, but
the girl made up for Or it she was a lie.
Rios favorite, a fair haired blue.
Eyed went of 16 who chattered constantly as she worked.
Another Fair haired blue eyed person, very young.
That lirio is favorite. Now, remember, when Billy Rios,
like I almost slept with Danny myself, but thought she was too
timid and then I summon my bed warmer and slept with her
instead it's probably this girl. Yeah, so he's gross.
Yeah but we knew you knew that already.
Yeah but the point here is to talk about how these women and
slit servants have no choice. They're basically slaves.
Like Sean said earlier, a lot of them are bonds bonded slaves,
their in-depth permanently to illyrio.
This is a city that is very sophisticated and its way of
getting around the laws imposed on them.
They've had Almost 100 years, it's been the year 2009 is when
the supposed on this, they've had 81 ish or 91 issue years of
figuring out how to have slaves without officially having slaves
and that encompasses all of Leo's life Delirious entire
lifespan is come in this span of existence for pentos when
slavery has been banned but still happens quite a lot.
It doesn't really look like they're hiding it all that.
Well I mean a 13 year old girl figured it out immediately,
right? I mean Danny is insightful but
you can't be the only He won you know, but others have noticed
this but what braavos is I guess content to just let things be
the way they are for now and that could be through very
interesting if Danny become this pleased with this arrangement
mean she knows she noticed it right away and she gonna come
back and be like, all right we're time to have a reckoning
for this so-called free City. We've already talked about how
the slaves will probably rise up in volantis and welcome her
there. Lice least maybe, as well.
Roch. Perhaps I don't expect all these
things to happen. As they happen on screen, I
could see us my head, Canon kind of is Danny having a chapter in
pentos where she's looking back on having just taken lease and
volantis. Maybe maybe we see volantis, but
Lisa and mirror, and tie Roch kind of doubt.
It kind of doubt. We see those firsthand from
things b.o.b., maybe we do, but in minor flashbacks after she's
already done it yet. I'd be a way to get all that
done without getting bogged down and helping us having three
different city taking. An over chapters, right?
Just in all the detail. I mean, I'm all for that, but I
don't see it coming. You know?
It would mean another book. Yeah, it's like a whole bunch of
Daddy's Conquest throughout SOS, right?
It could really go a lot of different ways like pentoshi
could be like I this is bull. You guys is fake.
Non slavery. Thing you're doing needs to end.
I'm going to torch the whole thing or because they're so
weak. Maybe she just is able to knock
them down and impose their will on them which, you know, we're
sort of way might save them from being destroyed because they're
so weak. She might be able to coerce them
into better Behavior whether or not that hold is another matter,
but In fact that they have a small military actually might
save them because they're, they're not too tough nut to
crack. She doesn't have to just burn
the whole thing down and start over, although she, she might
decide to do that anyway, but for now, she's actually kind of
loyal to malaria. She's like, I don't want to give
the city to the Tattered. Prince Ali.
Rio lives there and where he was our friends, like, 130.
I wouldn't call him your friend. He might be a benefactor Patron
supporter perhaps but yeah, he's not your friend.
He will turn on you if he can, if he needs to Or if it sees the
profit in it. So, Danny may still have a
little bit of naivete there. But Tyrion, that's not fooled
and Tyrion is not unlikely to be advising her and could quickly
disabuse her of all that. On the other hand, barristan
says, Danny should trust illyrio which is bad advice but
Harrison's, not the most skilled at Intrigue or such things
that's not his Forte. A side effect of braavos is
small military. I'm sorry ten tosses small
military, imposed by braavos. Is that a lot of people who
would be soldiers, people who have that attitude, who were
kind of have a warrior bent to them.
There's no military for them to join.
So there's a lot of sellswords up for higher there.
A lot of pentoshi sellswords exist.
Its kind of alongside that like performers and people have to
make a living with their bodies and their their natural
abilities rather than anything they can learn because that's
not available to them. So that could be important as
well. I have this odd earlier when you
mentioned that is when it comes to being a sellsword, is the
willingness to risk your body? However, good a soldier you are
or aren't just your willingness to get in the line of fire is,
you know, when you don't have anything else, when you don't
have another route out of poverty or slavery, that's a
risk. Some people are willing to take.
Yeah, absolutely part of how you good.
Good being a warrior. Is you have to go to war soon?
Yep. Take some risks and come out of
it. You know, if you're lucky enough
to survive then got some some credibility.
So here's another quote from the world of Ice and Fire that talks
about how this sort of is it. Or isn't it not slavery?
Situations handle these Provisions.
Remain the law in pentos to this day.
Those certain observers have noted that many pentoshi ships.
Invade the prohibition against the slave trade by running
lysine or me. Rish banners of their masks.
When challenged whilst in the city itself there are tens of
thousands of free. Poop seem to be slaves in all
but name for they are collared and branded much like their
counterparts in lease near anti Roch and subject to similar
Savage disciplines in law. These Bond servants, are free
men and women with the right to refuse service, as they will
provided, they're not in debt to their masters.
Almost all of them are. However, since the value of
their labor is off less than the costs of the food clothing and
shelter provided them by those. They serve so that their debt
Rose rather than diminishes over time.
You'd think they'd want to just return outright slavery but
there might be elements in the city that prefer this sort of
under the radar Arrangement. Even though it's not really that
concealed it might there might be more money in it for them.
I'm certainly not ascribing empathic sympathetic reasons
here, just whatever. Ever makes them more money.
Like they're given gift like the whole thing of giving gifts like
the Dothraki. Like that's not buying and
selling slaves. Technically.
So there will take legal ease way to get around like oh, I
didn't buy these slaves, they were given to me by a Dothraki.
Do I have to free them now? I like, well, how does that even
work? You know, I don't know.
Probably, there's probably weird secure arbitrary, like,
exceptions, coded into the law, things like that.
Probably the biggest current motivation is to maintain this
piece with braavos, right? They made this treaty this
agreement, the entered a war that included.
No slavery, no sellswords and so on.
Yeah, so they may, you know, maybe they put on one it for
the, you know, economic benefits, you know, of denying
people their rights but they but they don't, but they are more
than willing to semantically worded and organize it in a way
that keeps piece of braavos and and on some level braavos might
even get it to. They might be like they're not
really following the war the rules.
But how far did they have to go before we declare war again?
You know, you know, yeah, that's a big deal like the clerk
because it's probably a they're still trading partner, most
certainly and like a lot of it aspects, a lot of people have
powers in Bravos would be kind of wary of disturbing that just
to do something that maybe won't have any effect.
Like if they can enforce it and like it'll probably just go back
to this way like, yeah, I don't know, it might even temporarily
make things worse for the quote-unquote slaves and in and
also they might have these unintended consequences with Our
alliances and trade agreements. Like if they attack pentos and
that makes I don't know, Cersei mad or whatever and then she
wants to do something and Bravo. You know it's not that you know
I the G11 times drinking here. Yeah.
Right. Even when you're trying to do
the right thing, sometimes you have to be careful to not make
things or your goal doing the right thing is to make things
better for everybody. Yeah.
So when it comes to clearing War you might not be making things
better for everybody got to be really careful.
Yeah, that's true. Like like it like Danny face the
same. Same problem.
You know in Marine this is something she's learning much as
like. Yeah.
Like in the long term, all the people who would be enslaved
their lives are better. But in the short term a few at
least some percentage of these slaves are actually going to
have a worse life because they had pretty good positions.
Like they were treated pretty well.
You know, like now they don't even have a job and having you
have a place to live, like they have their freedom.
But you're an 80 year old person that's been a slave your whole
life, you really like wanted like what do you have now?
Like that's not good, right? So there's there is Yeah It's
Tricky, you know, of course the bad NG is true but you just have
to plan it out well and make sure that would think about the
implications and on and on and it's not that easy especially
for like this young girl, who has no World experience, you
know, like the leaders of Bravo's don't haven't
necessarily been figured out. No, sensibly.
They have more experience and resources and such.
Yeah. So earlier I misspoke.
You asked if we know of a female pentoshi and we do know one and
her name does. And today Tiana of the tower
Tiana of pentos Meg or one of my Gore's wives, who was also
basically his master Whispers. She was a torturer pretty nasty
piece of work all around. She was a bastard.
Daughter of a Magister and apparently a dancer very
attractive. And yeah, we'll talk about her
in detail some other day because He's an interesting character
and we'll have plenty of time for her.
When we're dealing with Beggars rain, or maybe her specifically
Rigo dries is another one. We talked about a little bit.
He used Jerry's his master of coin, we talk about the Savage
Miss of his death and Jerry's is Revenge on those people or
Justice against those people. He's a good story that will tell
another time a lot of parallels become him and lirio so that's
interesting. We'll talk about him.
Both of them. Kind of were lowborn that Rose
to be really powerful and Rich and involved in politics.
Although lirio is a lot more involved in politics and Rigo
was so illyrio. Yeah, he's often referred to as
a cheesemonger, which maybe gives us a Go to some of the
food that's made their. I mean Penthouse isn't known for
luxury goods, it is known for trade and we know we hear about
all the farm lands and Orchards around the area.
So there may be a lot of food as part of the exports and imports
well more exports and imports probably but exporting some food
importing others. I guess there's a lot of cheese
made in pain cause that makes sense.
It's something that wouldn't catch a lot of notice, as a
element and a big fantasy story that fantasy Epic Production of
food. But Cheese is also is what
interesting because it's not a luxury good yet.
It is electric you like fancy cheeses are luxury goods but
there's also your day-to-day cheeses that start even the
poorest people will have access to, you know, it's cheese.
Certainly isn't exclusive to Italy much less Genoa but there
are a lot of Italian cheeses mozzarella and Parmesan and so
on and I'm going to that could be and easily another parallel.
Yeah. Illyrio, his welfare member got
him to the level where I mean, well, speaks and toss.
The wealthiest have the most powerful, the her have the most
power there. He was able to marry the
daughter of a cousin of the principal toss but when he took
Sarah as a lover, Who, of course we've had a lot to say about
her, probable blackfyre, the print, the Palaces of the prince
was closed him. They saw that it's an insult.
So there's definitely still a lot of elitism in pentos, even
though it's not rooted in Valyrian Heritage plague killed
Sara. Remember we mentioned the great
spring sickness, most likely affected 10 toss back in 2009.
Of course, Sarah didn't die in 2009.
She died probably more like into 60s or to 70s, and just a
reminder that as a trade Port it's going to be very
susceptible to plagues because yeah just the nature of the way
diseases spread and you know you're bringing on a ship and
lots of people yeah like that can get go quickly at one point
half the population of Genoa was killed to the black bikes.
Yeah it's just hard to comprehend the numbers like
that. So been sauce is also allows for
the collecting of Exile. The lirio is in a collector of
Secure and unsavory things. Tyrion says, one of those that
he doesn't physically mention is exile, collects exons.
He collected John connon, he collected, the golden company
sort of he collected this daddy and viserys and and by being so
close to King's Landing enables a lot of he's the first stop for
a lot of eggs. I wasn't gonna snatch them right
up or arranged for them to be brought to him like Tyrion,
right? He actually planned on bringing
aegon and Danny. Hey gone, young Griff and Danny
together for a marriage at Us, which would have been a really
interesting like do-over of her married to Drogo.
It's kind of what in Lyra is. Mine was kind of what they're
doing there, but that isn't going to happen.
But of course, we still expect things to happen in pain toss.
It just won't be a marriage of aegon and Danny especially cuz,
Hey, Gonzo already in Westeros or, as we said before, tyrion's
pentoshi name was YOLO. We mentioned grow Leo.
Very brief intro, YOLO. Yeah, yellow grow.
Leo is pentoshi the for Admiral that.
Sailed those ships over to meet Danny and qarth and pick her up
with arstan AKA barristan. Grow Leah was executed by the
meereenese over or the youngest meereenese.
A youngish over the death of jezzin soyou cat York as rid of
that. Guy's name is the dude who was
trampled at. the gladiatorial games, the reopening of the pits
when drogon showed up, Poor guy, his Arc is nothing, but sadness
first Danny makes him go to Marine and asked.
For fact, she first asked supported by the unsullied, then
takes the Partnerships to build battering rams and he's very
bitter about that. And then then she's perplexed by
them, wanting him as a hostage because he's kind of a nobody
like what's his, what's his value?
You know, and then he's he has a wife and kids back home.
So he's valuable to them but like his no political fire and
then they execute him which is part of why they do that.
They're like, well, they're not going to start anything over
this guy's death, but it shows we can, we can, you know, kind
of push the envelope a little bit and exercise our Authority.
And kind of move move towards executing the dragons, which is
what they really wanted. It was the year 262 when the
tattered Prince age, 23 had his choosing to be the prince of
pentos. The one who had just been
two-headed. He's like, I don't want that
fate and he doesn't want to be beholding to the magistrate, the
magisters, the nobility, the 40 families.
And this I'm not gonna be your sacrificial lamb y'all.
He was not the first to notice. This obvious thing is obvious
potential and not the first to leave rather than accept.
But he is the most recent both A Song of Ice and Fire.
I think, dick straw or one of the members of the windblown
tells the story, The World Of Ice And Fire also says, the same
line. It says he fled never to return.
No about never turn, you know, he hasn't returned yet, but he
and I wouldn't say never, I think he's coming back.
Nina says, the tattered. Prince is very much, not a nice
person. I think what he wants is to
move, pentose to the opposite extreme from what it is.
Now, instead of a system where the collective Council of
Magister is can murder the executive at their whim.
The tattered Prince wants a system where he can murder the
magisters at his whim. This would not be pentose on.
Pentoses terms. This would be pentose on Tavern,
princes terms, his personal domain, where he can rule as an
absolute Authority or executive. I totally agree with that.
I think Nina nailed it. And we might get that for a
short term or may find. Yeah.
I mean, Danny doesn't want that. But barristan is already agreed
to it and then she going to be stuck with that when she returns
will barisan, even still be alive when he returned when she
returns. So there's a lot of ways for
this to go that are very unpredictable and I like that a
lot. I mean, some things we can
predict about this series, but some things like, yeah, it's
really hard to say. Also how, how much room is there
for negotiation on the part of the Tedder prints?
Both both, Both Inward and and practice like, you know, if he
makes this move and barristan okay too.
But he's not there and then it comes back.
She might be like, okay, fine. As long as you do XYZ like, as
long as there's no slave poses additional conditions or
whatever. Right.
He's okay. Sure fine.
Yeah, get to be the king of the city and I just don't and then
he can also just not do the things.
He said he was going to do after the fact, when she's goes off to
another continent or she's embroiled against the others and
winter and the other kings and queens of Westeros.
The principal the terpenes I'd be like, I don't Options.
Coming out of this. I can easily.
I can do what I want. I do what I want and pay the
consequences later. Say, oh, I'm sorry, I let me pay
you off. Hey, her up her off, like the
Dothraki. It paid off.
I don't know if that'd be enough for her, but she probably is.
He also probably won't survive everything in order to come back
and punish him. But it could be an interesting
footnote in, you know, the dream of spring as we hear about
whatever. What's happening, the various
states of Affairs of various parts of the world sent us will
likely be included in that. Do y'all remember the ship the
slow? I'd made the very sad tale of a
ship that went all the way to qarth.
And was sunk by the false lights of among the sisters.
The Lord Goddard Corral jokes about how he got pepper off a
slow. I had made and laughing about it
and Davos is like enjoying the pepper and like you who asshole
you sank the ship you letting things how horrible it is.
To go all the way. He's like the slide made when
all the way to the Jade sea, and back, and was almost home before
Lord, to its death and small bodies fall.
Flights. But the slow.
I'm a maid is the source of the rumors about Danielle.
It brought back the tales of Dani and her dragons to pentos.
And so I'd made executive officer spoke with another dude
that Davos then spoke with or heard overheard in this tavern.
So yes, I prefer pepper to groomers.
Yeah. Same one of the galleys that
that was seized for the hardhome.
Pay number John, had a bunch of gal he's just taken like nope
any ships currently at the East watches Harbor or we're going to
use them for the rescue mission. One of them was the pentoshi
galley that ship may have been sunk.
That's one of the ones that may have been sunk so we don't know
if it's going to get out but if it does get out, it'll go back
pain sauce and spread tales about what's happening Beyond
the Wall, which is maybe the vector for The Wider world to
learn about the invasion of man, sand or the actual, others and
Giants, and things like that. Like People outside of Westeros
are going to hear about Giants and zombie or whites make me
call them zombies. Sean, it's your fault, Whites
Whites and others and some like that.
Like, that's really interesting possibility just using thinking
of Penthouse is just a vector for news.
Again, it being the Center of Trade means, it's also the
center for news and rumors to spread or a cent or not decent.
So that's really interesting. Like this could spread this away
for the wider world to learn about that.
Vector of information very much likely pass through pentos.
As I said before Penny and her family are probably aren't from
pentos. They were hired for the purple
wedding there and it's you would go there to higher performers,
possibly, because that's a place known for performing.
Yeah. And the qartheen warlocks, they
didn't know where Danny went or where she was going to go after
leaving qarth, but they were going to look in cart and
Penthouse first. That's where they were going to
head first. Instead, they found your honor,
you're on found them semantics. Hey, whatever.
Whatever you want to put it. They wish that hadn't happened
that way. They probably wish they had
stayed home. Yeah, well, Karma.
Brutal brutal Karma may be a little too much, but, you know,
they went looking for trouble. They found it.
Maybe it'll come back on your and yeah.
Yeah, it's true. I mean, I don't expect your on
to have a happy ending as I've said on the show before when
several of us attended a signing by George r.r.
Martin, when I've handed him a copy of the map, you see behind
you, you know, when world map in particular, he remarked on how
nice the map was. Because, of course, it's like
the far field. Of course, it's nice.
Yeah. He said and soon, it will all be
on fire and I was like, what spoiler?
I yelled and laughed. Surely he didn't mean all the
cities of essos would be inflamed.
Although I guess it's possible but I do think it's more likely
to mean, a lot of them will go that way, Danny passing that
way, pretty high, on that list for pentos very possible, try to
pair with volantis. Here's a conversation.
I want to draw your attention to quote.
Mary mazdoor betrayed me. I burned her for it.
Miriam as juror was in your power and pintos, you shall be
in the Larios power, it is not the same.
I know the Magister as well as you well, Jorah, you were right
when you said that at the time, but now that's still right.
But less like if you have your dragons and your unsullied and
your Dothraki, you could still be in liras power, but you he's
in your power to he can't just assassinated because if you died
in his home, I mean, he would get blamed for that, the track,
he would just come for him, you know, that he can't do that
without massive consequences, so I don't think he's gonna do
that. He would have to be very careful
about how he turns on his so-called puppet.
Especially a pro Gods like right there too.
And and that's the statement. So yeah, Dora said that the
beginning of A Storm of Swords, not things are so different, and
but she might even have the windblown on her side like with
the tattered Prince and all that.
Yeah, it's just jours statement is interesting and useful, but
think the situation has changed a lot since then it is worth
noting though that it's very Matador was less of a
significant person in the political structure.
That's right. Yeah.
There wasn't some retribution for her killing Mary manager for
a large. Oh, there might be whether it's
as simple as like the influence he could have wielded to help
her. Now he's not there to do that
for people who were allied with him.
Who now want to work in. Stanny, you know if they can't
necessarily stand up and to fear Her Dragons, they still might
behind the scenes sink, our ships, or do, you know, spread
false rumors or whatever else they work against her when they
could be working for? He has more to lose killing a
larger than she did going Mary Master Spectra?
Yeah, that's that. That hurt drawer is correct.
Yeah, if the castle of harrenhal can burn, perhaps the brick
walls of pentos can as well. That's one potential fate for it
or if she doesn't want to send her dragons against it again
unsullied, the frackie sellswords plenty of options and
they don't have an army at all. So they would probably just give
up. I don't know that it would
that's one reason. I'm not sure it would come to
outright Devastation for pentos. Even their like I said, even
their Naval defenses would go from stout to pretty useless
even with those, you know, the only have 20 ships again
protecting the inlet, there's maybe they could do that.
But not with a dragon, or it's free and play.
So a number of the details about pain toss, do painted as rich
but week, but the frackie make the pentoshi nervous that's in
the Danny's very first chapter. That might be a little bit of a
little low-key foreshadowing, however, they're not a slave to
the at the moment so they can't you can't expect them to just
rise. As up, like, volantis would the
way the Widow of the Waterfront says they will, but maybe they
will maybe there they understand their situation is to.
Yeah, we're basically slaves. I don't know.
Maybe the it's kind of interesting that semantics the
dichotomy the small differences May amount to be large
differences ending on how things play out.
Illyrio even has a unsullied guards like those are slaves,
right? Like it's just it's so blatant,
right? They were purchased and in
freed. Yeah.
Like how daddy fight Danny freed hers and they just opted to stay
with her and fight with her because they don't know any
other life. Like all we're good at is
fighting like this. Seems like a good place to be
but here's another quote from Tyrion.
Slavery, may be forbidden by the laws of pentos, yet, you have a
finger in that trade as well, and maybe a whole hand and yet,
you conspire for the dragon Queen and not against her.
Why, what do you hope to gain from Queen Daenerys?
He says, he just wants to be master of coin, but I just do
not believe that for a second, Tyrion doesn't either that dude
is so rich. Like I just don't like why?
What would that do for him more? Well, he doesn't even want to he
points out, he doesn't want casterly Rock, like, Viserys
promise in casterly rock and he's like, I like my Mansion
better. I don't want to live in casterly
rock, you know, he doesn't even sound like he wants to go to
Westeros know it idiot. What do you think?
He actually doesn't want? I don't know.
I mean it could be like a little finger thing where he just wants
as much power as you can have. Like the guys Persona exudes
greed and excess, right? Like he's massively overweight
and all that kind of agree but I still think they like being
Master corn is about the most power he could have perhaps
perhaps rolling behind the throne as well.
I mean he might want that but I don't know if that's his
ultimate goal, you know. I think he would be fine to be
that, but I don't know if that's like, that's what he's doing all
this for just to be master of coin for Western Alliance and
just like very convoluted. So maybe there is some truth in
him wanting to see the son of Sarah on the throne.
Yeah. I think it might be, I think it
makes more sense for it to be personal at the level of high
power. He has put on like my counter
points. That is that I just can't ever
relate to these. Like, power-hungry people were
like, I can't help, but think like, oh.
Okay, like you're very successful.
Why are you still grasping for more yet across the point that
people do they do? They do keep grasping anymore,
even though you're like, well, you should be satisfied.
You have so much power. Yeah, I don't know.
Sometimes there's an ambitious person.
Like a, I don't know a lot. Definitely depends on what
transpires between Danny and illyrio.
The lyric and worm, his way out of the things, Dan, he's going
to figure out. Okay, so let's be some of this
together. Nina's got some good points on
here, so as well. Danny's a wearily Rios basically
using slaves but she also sees him as a friend and as a
benefactor. So maybe she's willing to let
that slide. Maybe she's going to come and be
like, okay, you have to let your slaves go though.
Like I'm I can't have my supporters owning slaves.
I'm the mother of, I'm the Breaker of Chains like that just
doesn't align the plus, I it's wrong.
It might be just willing to just do whatever she says because he
knows what's at stake and shoulders burn him, otherwise
she's she's given those vibes off.
Like yeah I will kill, you are a slaver.
So It's tricky to see which way she'll go on that but as we've
also expressed let me rename this point here.
How long will that trust maintain?
It might be kind of flimsy. Danny May.
Once more things come to life she met Change her opinion on
illyrio. Very, very dramatically because
Tyrion know something pretty critical about.
Lira that Danny doesn't namely that a leader is planned for the
better. Part of two decades was to
install aegon, not Danny or her brother that she was originally
part of the setup. She was the distraction.
She was Badr cannon. Fodder basically.
Aleera didn't intend for Danny to survive.
That only changed when she hatched dragons then they
pivoted their plan like a weight.
This is Rita called totally unexpected.
Result we should absolutely include the dragons in our plan
out of here. Missed again like whoa, couldn't
have possibly counted for that possibility, so it sounds like a
leery of cares more about this egg on person who might be his
son Terry. In my point that out, as well if
he figures that out fully. So yeah, Danny might come to
realize that so much of this is different.
She still might want to use illyrio be like, well, we still
need him, like him said to Sean. Like, she's even finding these
things out. Might mean.
Okay, I don't trust. Anymore, but we still need him.
And my greater goals are more important than solving 10 tosses
issues, she might become kind of jaded with that.
After difficulty, the Marine, it's another pie or she might
just be all more aggressive about it, you know.
Like it's so hard to figure this many possibilities, depending
how it goes. You might trust him more.
If she learns this stuff about him understand his motivations
he levels with her about it. All it may be a greater level of
trust. He is convinced.
Yeah, I mean, and Barton, don't forget bars is involved in and
all this like, Like earlier to point out, we'll look by guy
over there, if you lose me you lose him and you need you really
want and a network of spies it goes along with it and and and
also it's not like there's no way to make money without
slaves, right? Ilario might be happy to shed
this slaves because he's especially the capital and
position he has already, he can continue being successful and
Wealthy so yeah Danny want to get rid of slaves, all spearhead
that for you didn't you might be very genuine about it and
genuinely Because he needs to do it to get his for his greater
goals to be accomplished. Yeah.
And you write to him, it might be a lot of work but it might
not but it might not cost him, he might still come out ahead or
break even or yeah, as long as the and you would still cost a
lot. Like if you have like 25 million
dollars, instead of 30 million dollars that cost me 5 million.
Yeah, but I still have 25 million dollars.
I'll be okay. It's just gonna get my bigger
goals or my alliance with Danny or whatever else can can move
forward. And there is case would probably
be more appropriate using billion than million, but yeah,
Yeah, your point is still felt well taken.
Also, on top of everything, Tyrion knows or has sussed out
the truth. That hey guns, not the son of
rhaegar illyrio is Allure going to try to sell that lie to Danny
too. Will he try to sell the lie if
he figures, that Tyrion is figured it out the lot.
Figured out that like is another thing is we're going to be like
I think Terrence I figured out that this isn't really rig our
son so I better know. I won't tell about lie, but we
need, maybe he'll try to convince Danny to tell that lie
because it's important to tell Westeros that lie, right?
It's another way. He might actually win more trust
from Danielle by telling the truth about that lie and she may
also understand the value of that life.
But ultimately, I think she won't accept it because she's in
her vision the Slayer. The cloth, dragon, mummer's
dragon. On poles is almost certainly
aegon. And she, if she is the Slayer of
that lie, that foreshadows her ending this, this, this whole
thing, the Sherrod, not going along with it, but maybe she has
to go along with it for a little while.
It was just immediately tried to torch it.
Maybe she doesn't. Maybe he does.
She maybe she doesn't believe Tyrion at first.
Oh no, they're just like well, what is this little dude?
Trying to sell me a life, or maybe he's just trying to get
casually Rock. Like, Terry is awfully
convincing though, but so hilarious.
In this could get to get interesting.
It would be an interesting dilemma if there was a marriage
arranged. And and it got all this support
behind it, and then she discovered now that all the
plans are built around this. Oh, wait, he's not really who he
said he was. Yeah, we thought he was.
But all the alliances and plans and stability or all built
around it. Does she now shed it?
They can it survive even with the truth coming out.
Maybe it's enough. Another reason Danny might feel
a huge sense of betrayal is that there's the prophecy.
The prophecy of a treason in. She could think this is the
treason for love illyrio is loved Sarah and is trying to put
the child of his love on the throne of Westeros.
So, Whether that's true or not is almost irrelevant, it's
whether Danny sees it. As true is convinced it as a
Runway. Was it one of the betrayals for
gold like if you must be master of coin, if that's what he's
telling her she might interpret it that way to.
She might be like one way the other.
This is a betrayal looks bad. Yeah, it's like well this looks
like one of the prophesied for Trails here.
It could really look that way and then she could become far
from trusting illyrio just a complete flipped into the sky is
Very untrustworthy. So that's a really interesting
possible. Conundrum become up and I think
was pretty likely to happen guessing how she navigates, it
is. A lot trickier.
There's so many possibilities. So, Nina suggest that Danny has
more motivation to hand Penthouse over the title Prince,
then she has to remove and allow egg on to take the Iron Throne.
Like she has more motivation to give up and toss then to support
a god, which is an odd spot to be in.
Earlier, we referenced this quote we're about to have here
in about, Leary Azad, trust with his own people quote.
As for my household, they love me.
Well, none would betray me, cherish that thought my fat
friend one day. We will carve those words upon
your Crypt. Yeah, well we might I wonder if
Tyrion is really part of that, we put a and we'll see the death
of illyrio. And we've pointed out many times
that yes Pentecost is the closest to King's Landing, but
it's even closer to Dragonstone. So Oh, that is a jumping off
point potentially that proximity along with their small military
might help. Save pentose from greater
Devastation there, just as rotten as some of the others.
But as I said, their weaknesses might be a bit of a bun.
Danny might value it more as a base.
Then as a place to make a moral stand, might be something that
she doubles back to to deal with later while moving on to bigger
and more important things. And with dragons on so close,
she might be kind of you eager to get like we're tracking
Stones just right there. Like I don't want to get bogged
down here in pentos like I did in Marine or whatever Westeros
is things are happening there now and her advisors will
probably agree with that. I mean, Tyrion and barristan,
and maybe not quite as much mokoro because he's not West
Rossi, but all the westerosi with her, want her to go back to
Westeros because they want to go back there too.
They want to live in the country.
They're from and beer accepted there, and yeah, all that.
So that's important. So many There's so many facets
to this that they could easily go one way or the other, you
know? Like just just the right
presentation to Danny or just the wrong move by ilario or just
the right that the timing of, you know, the order things come
up seems like it could have these huge swings as to whether
or not pintos gets torched or pintos.
Is Danny strongest Allied to whether or not they launched
from pintos or to Pinto. So you know, it's I can see
accounting for all these factors with these things are all Sort
of intertwined, we've kind of pending, plotlines, and George
has going and starting to see why people want the next book to
come just now, just now started. Yeah, what other wrinkle here is
pentoses long history of befriending, and supporting her
family, that might be something that she looks positively on.
Hague on had an alliance with them, Meg, or Damon Lena, Bela
Reina jaehaerys rhaenyra one. Hide some of her kids there
during the War. I mean, there's a lot of
connection there and Danny might look at that as a plus, but it's
also kind of far in the past. So it may not be relevant.
You might be like, look, ya'll that rainy, Rose the most recent
of those and that's 170 years ago, as the show famously said,
171 years before Danna start Daenerys Targaryen.
Yeah, so that may not matter so much like and he's doing a lot
of things different than prior targaryens.
But same token. It's that family.
Ali. She is her source of connection
to the Iron Throne as well. So yeah, yeah, I don't know if
she can just throw all that away.
Yeah. Super interesting, 10 tosses, as
I hope we've displayed for you. A big part in dream of SAR,
Winds of Winter, and probably a dream of spring as well, but
probably more Winds of Winter, given its directly in Danny's
past both narratively and logistically for her return to
Westeros. A lot of really interesting plot
lines, illyrio tighter Prince biggest among them but also the
whole blackfyre stuff is still running through pentose this
point even though, it's so they've already It in Westeros
they're sort of brain power. A lot of the support is coming
from pentos so yeah a lot to go lots of set up.
A lot of interesting stuff will see one day how it all plays
out. Davy Max sends a Super Chat
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We appreciate that even though nature and technology or both
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People said we need to give them another bonus our because of
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But you know, we'll come back with more content in the future.
I'll tell you what folks will make sure the next couple
episodes are a little longer. How about that?
Maybe not the next one. The next one is scripted
episode. It's mantar.
He's and those are by Nature a little shorter.
We don't have as much open discussion so by Nature, they're
shorter but it should be a good one.
A lot more Valerian lure talking about the magic and Venturi sits
right on the outskirts of the ruin Peninsula.
It's like right there. I part of its territory.
Would have been obliterated? But part of it survived like
where the city rest was kind of an interesting like Estuary of
Fallout and normalcy, but also Valerian ancient magic and
things like that. It's not at all like volantis
even though it's similar proximity to the ruin Peninsula,
very different situation. Well, we'll be getting into that
next week that like I said, I'll be scripted episode so they
won't be a live stream. And the trivia question is this
is one where I actually left left.
The clue in the episode. If you were paying close
attention, you may have noticed. The answer the question again,
was the pentoshi historian / politician, Jesu.
Herodotus wrote a book called before the dragons that claim to
pentos and what other city were actually founded for the
Freehold. The answer is Laura.
Yes, Laura and we have an episode on Laura.
So you could go right to that one.
Next, if you haven't listened to it or feel like it's time for a
real, listen, other Foods that are along these lines, that
refer to things. We talk about in this episode
today, include the other free cities like, lease and cohort
which we have episodes on us. And now we've done four of the
nine, free cities. The stepstones, of course, came
up quite a lot Kingdom of Sorrow nor as well as ebb.
And yeah, one other one that I'm forgetting now that I've
forgotten, but that's enough. That's plenty plus.
All of our Valerie Rita's for especially Dance of the Dragons
where a lot of them. Rio stuff is and Tyrion stuff
riding in the met in the plank one with him is some really
juicy material. It's just all discussion which
you know there's so much that can come from that tearing and
illyrio there. That's a great pairing for
chatter. So that's another good
recommendation so if you want us to cover a different for you
City well you better get involved in the voting.
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That said votes will be coming a little less often in the short
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coming in August. I think I'll have two more boats
for for for the short-term W more votes in the long term.
Yeah. Because we have a few weeks off.
Well one or two weeks off and one episode already chosen.
We're going to do Under the dragons house Hightower for one
of our episodes that will be period of from the conquest till
the dance. It took us two episodes, do that
for the north, but for house Hightower being just one house
and we can do in one but maybe it'll just be a really long
episode Maybe. That'll be part of your extra
hour there that will fit in one way or another.
We got plenty more content to go the topics.
Well remains deep and fully unplumbed, we have much more to
go. Thank you all for being here.
Thank you all for supporting us if you're one of those who do so
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does we appreciate it? Thanks to Nina for her great
notes. Lot of great takes on the future
of pentos and navigating the difficulties and complexities of
illyrio, the tatter prints and Any and Tyrion and all that
information and order. It might come out in how it
might go. It's really super interesting.
George has done a great job of setting it up without making
clear on what's gonna happen. Why do you think we can kind of
see where it's going? This is one words.
Like I could perceive a lot of different directions for this to
go even though some things are pretty likely to happen.
Like Danny's, not going to get killed by the pentoshi but
pretty much everyone else. Other than like Tyrion is like
good die or change sides or out. Don't know what.
Yeah, and you know not that those two characters couldn't
die later. It's not content.
Açaí and there's a lot more to characters Arc and die or not.
Die right there. Absolutely.
It's sort of directions and Mysteries and whatnot.
Sprouting out from this or infinite.
Discounting who dies or dozens. Yeah, it's like one of those
things where this is one of those episodes where a lot of
times you have to feel this way because there's no it never ends
like the things we can say about these things.
But this is one where I feel like It feels particularly
incomplete because of all the plot lines that are just getting
big. You know, that we could only
guess on and there's the like with George's imagination.
We couldn't possibly guess all the things that makes
considering. It's almost like a chess game
where there's like, Psy basket there.
There are these. Yeah, there, they like these, if
then questions, but there's several different ones and just
going to like the third or fourth level of an, if been when
you have like eight different Has to work with it.
You're getting the thousands of potential outcomes really fast.
Yeah. That's where the phrase
permutations are to come in. Because it's like, there's so
many becomes Beyond possibilities.
They're so mad. It's like possibilities doesn't
doesn't do it justice. So, yeah, it's also thanks to
Joey Jesse and brand for the music and video intro.
And Michael are felled for the same, plus the maps behind us
and to our benjin ear, who's going to have a little extra
work to do today. Given the power outage there
that's knocked out our made our Sewed, split up.
If you're listening to the podcast version of this, you
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yeah I'm certainly assuming you got Barn which most of you did
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It's just they just stopped. Yep, well that's live streaming
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