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The Queen, whoever was, you 
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with my episode titles or just 
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It's the Season 2 finale. 
Many plots come to a head, a 

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turning point if you will, for 
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others are just getting started.
There's a big power shift as the

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Greens struggle internally while
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rally together. 
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There's potential issues down 
the road with some of the new 

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additions to their team, but for
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right. 
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start of the season, the season 
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Game of Thrones season. 
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development, more set up. 
It certainly had that. 

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Season three is primed to be a 
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season three or book three of A 
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of those big setups paid off and
no episode carries the weight of

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the season's expectations like a
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And while this episode wasn't 
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finale, there's a little bit of 
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writing side of the HB OS 
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how many episodes would be in 
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It certainly has the setup of a 
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montage is very worthy of 
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That's the kind of thing you 
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be a big break. 
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remind yourself where you're at 
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That definitely has the feel of 
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No episode of House of the 
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beyond Dragons. 
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even more so, while some of the 
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talking about ultra violence 
towards innocence as a war 

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strategy. 
Nothing supernatural about that.

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It's just straight up dark. 
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say, both of those things coming
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We'll talk about all that and 
more on this episode of History 

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of Westeros podcast. 
Hello and welcome back 

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everybody. 
We're going to discuss the 

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season as a whole separately, 
returning to our familiar 

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offseason time slot. 
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live streams happen, our is 
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we're going to be back to 
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season's over and it won't be 
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like 1820 months, we don't know.
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years from our Westeros content,
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is going to be Night of the 
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So we're back to a sort of every
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that's the good side of of the 
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Friday over at twitch.tv/history
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Sean, how's it going? 
What you, what you got? 

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You got a black and red shirt 
there like me, I've got house 

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Cole. 
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wearing a House Cole shirt? 
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so I had to give him the nod 
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man. 
He he had a great episode, so 

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respect. 
Aziz was debating between a 

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Green Man shirt and a household 
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What a strange, strange 
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That is right. 
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Green Man outfits, even antlers 
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I guess this is a sort of a 
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It's like black and red with 
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It's her Targaryen sigil shirt. 
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Heck yeah. 
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way, those Kristen Cole comments
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Silent Sisters podcast. 
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Episode 7 that's out. 
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put a link. 
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Twitter or whatever, but but we 
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missin Kristen because Kristen 
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It was about the lack of Kristen
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chat. 
Ashaya will pick up some of them

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our episodes. 
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wrap up episodes, some of that 
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do our typical coverage of the 
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point you in other directions 
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just did. 
Thank you to everyone who 

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attended our City Winery event 
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If you are ever there, you can, 
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you can, it's on the pier. 
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bottles of wine there at the bar
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Jill, 47, sends a birthday cake 

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sticker. 
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It is a Shaya's birthday or was 
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my birthday twin, Jordan 
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Shout out to Jordan there. 
So this, this episode did suffer

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a bit from HB OS directives, 
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8:00 to 10:00. 
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know, that's why the show, the 
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the the golden age of streaming 
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apparently. 
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successful too. 
I haven't watched it. 

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I know you did, Sean, but 
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the same problem where it might 
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they were told they had to cut 
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the rider strike was happening 
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Don't do that. 
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You're not like this is. 
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conglomerate. 
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from where we're sitting anyway,
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beyond taste. 
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the filmmaking process. 
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there's not this direct 
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of that $10 billion they lost 
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technology to have flamethrowers
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stuff they're setting up for the
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effects. 
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next season and maybe for other 
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anything under that umbrella? 
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to keep on using a lot of this 
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for King's Landing and 
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impressive. 
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guess if they have to cut some 
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the whole shows. 
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Dunkin, Egg and the next season 
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Ryan Condill said, yeah, this is
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based on character development 
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before it gets to the big like 
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action and things like that. 
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folks, Game of Thrones, the 
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battle in the first two seasons 
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That's it. 
Most of the battles were off 

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page. 
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Ice and Fire on page were the 
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Battle of Blackwater. 
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I've said this a million times 
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exciting to see the action and 
Dragons and everything, but me 

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personally, that is not why I'm 
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You know, when it comes and they
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dragon scene every episode, I 
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care about the dilemmas these 
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action scenes are more 
meaningful when I care about the

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people involved in them and the 
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and on and on. 
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Rest was amazing, that regard 
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and conflict regarding their 

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being there and just the like, 
you knew that whatever happened,

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it was going to have a huge 
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Yeah. 
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episodes had a big dragon 
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episodes were like huge 
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red dragon and the gold and and 
the red sewing. 

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I, I, I don't know, there's a 
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I think they should just be more
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individual scenes cost so people
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Like people complain about 
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budget goes. 
Like how much do you think that 

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cost? 
You know, Like I don't even 

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know, but I would like to know 
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My complaint about budget and 
all that, and it's one of these 

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and I talked about off the 
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about which is why did you need 
to dedicate budget to making a 

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new White Walker scene when it's
going to be really expensive? 

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You have a treasure trove of of 
existing White Walker scenes 

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from Game of Thrones, and it 
looked bad. 

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It didn't look that good. 
Jacked up I didn't. 

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Know the the other people that 
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scenes had experience with it. 
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And then you could see behind 
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whatever they said. 
Oh, some of them, but. 

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It was still that bad and they 
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it cost and I just. 
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reused foot. 
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home. 
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yeah, I agree with that. 
Now I can. 

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Now, on the other hand, like 
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that makes sense because we 
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to see seeing her from behind. 
That makes sense. 

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Like you don't want to know the 
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So that and that one probably 
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reshoot because it's just a a 
hunched over woman. 

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I guess that there are dragon 
CGI in that moment, but still. 

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Anyway, a lot more of this 
discussion will save. 

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Let's let's let's not talk about
this anymore, Sean. 

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Let's talk about this later. 
Let's get into the details and 

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then save a lot of this for our 
actual wrap up episode. 

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Let's stick to this episode as 
much as possible. 

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Tell me what you thought, Sean, 
over all of this episode and 

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your best performances. 
That's how we like to start. 

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Let's kick it up. 
Over. 

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I loved it. 
I I think I have more notes on 

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this episode than I have in the 
past few episodes as far as you 

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know, as an indication of like 
the thoughts stirred in me or 

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whatever. 
And I think I think I have to 

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give Alan of Hall credit for his
performance this episode. 

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It was kind of spread out and I 
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Every time they're featured, I'm
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But but he was so outstanding 
this time, and it was kind of 

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based on the set up so far. 
He's been so reserved and stoic.

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For it to all finally come out 
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wouldn't have been that 
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But to build up through the 
course of the series to come out

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like this was really powerful. 
Totally agree. 

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I loved Abu Bakar Salim's 
performance here and I I tweeted

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at him specifically like man, 
you crushed that scene and all 

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of our feelings. 
It was so good. 

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I totally agree. 
And and with what you're saying 

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too about how the build up meant
everything there, like this guy 

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was holding it back and finally 
he just couldn't hold it back 

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anymore and had to unleash 
Michelle, what about you? 

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Yeah, I definitely chose Abu's 
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number one spot. 
And you, you absolutely hit the 

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nail on the head with how it's a
when a character has held back 

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and been restrained for a long 
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it is very powerful. 
And it makes me think of my 

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favorite television monologue, 
which is the monologue from 

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15,000,000 merits in Black 
Mirror, where he also is like 

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the character is silent like 
almost the entire episode. 

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And then finally, when he 
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it's so powerful, right? 
And so I think that was part of 

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it, But also the difference is 
in Alan's character from the 

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book and that this is like a 30 
year old man who's had to raise 

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his little brother and it's a 
lot weightier of a of a life 

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he's lived a lot harder. 
And all of that. 

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It was very powerful. 
I want to also give a shout out 

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to Fabian Frankel as Christian 
Cole, because I thought, I mean,

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frankly, he was speaking very 
bleak poetry. 

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Like, frankly. 
Yeah, frankly. 

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But he was. 
He was. 

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His words were beautiful and 
moving and dark and his 

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performance was so good. 
And yeah, I loved that scene. 

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And I want to give one final 
shout out for humor to Tom 

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Bennett as oh, because that is 
also a really impressive 

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performance to, to ride the line
of, of earnest and trolling and 

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being funny and not being too 
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And I, I, I loved it. 
I thought he was very funny. 

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You know, even though I didn't 
vote for Fabian Frankel, I still

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think that scene was one of my 
favorite of the whole series. 

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That even like Game of Thrones 
included that was that that 

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speech he gave, I thought was, I
don't know, powerful and moving.

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I. 
I, I wrote the whole thing down.

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So when we get to it, yeah, 
we'll be able to re relive it as

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best as we can. 
And yeah, and a lot of people 

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I've seen comparing it to 
Shakespeare just the way that 

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was written. 
Like, yeah, I'm not a 

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Shakespeare expert, but I can, I
can feel that vibe. 

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I personally also picked Abu and
Fabian and, and in our Facebook 

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poll, Emma and Thea actually 
beat them both. 

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Emma, of course, just like you 
said, Sean just just always 

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wins. 
Like she, they're just so good. 

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It's just like, and I think 
about that, it's, it's 

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interesting to compare them to 
Emilia Clarke, who at first 

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Emilia Clarke, I was a little 
critical of her acting, but she 

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just won me over in the long 
term. 

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It's just, but Emma just hits 
the ground running just amazing 

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from the get go. 
And I think I was, I mentioned 

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this to Shay earlier today. 
I was like, Can you believe 

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Emma? 
Darcy's only been in 13 

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episodes? 
Like there's only been 18 total.

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Millie Alcock was so good, too. 
That's part of it. 

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So just the character. 
Raniera has been amazing since 

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the beginning, and so is 
Allison, but kind of 

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overshadowed by Raniera, in my 
opinion, personally. 

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And maybe some people's mileage 
may vary. 

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Of course, we all have different
tastes. 

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But yeah, Sophia Saban, of 
course, is not usually at the 

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top. 
She doesn't have as big a role, 

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so her performance is harder for
it to stand out when some 

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episodes she's barely in. 
But this one really stood out 

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for a lot of people. 
And it was also a real, a real 

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combination of of her character 
and not just of her performance 

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because well, as we'll discuss, 
this was the first time her 

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prophecies were like understood 
and, and part of the story 

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rather than something for us to 
see is foreshadowing. 

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OK, Before all her prophecies 
were for the, for us watchers, 

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but now they're part of the 
story and it's affecting how 

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people take action, which is a 
big change. 

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Most episodes we handle location
to location, but this one we're 

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going to do in order the scenes 
that they come in because I 

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think that was particularly 
important this time around. 

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I think the the the writers 
really paid a lot of attention 

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to how to connect each scene to 
the next one, and I want to try 

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to preserve some of that as we 
talk about it. 

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Can I also say that from AI 
don't know a filmmaking, maybe 

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editing perspective, I think it 
did a lot to kind of establish a

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tone with the pacing to 
culminate in that montage at the

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end. 
I think they did a really good 

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job with the the pacing of the 
cuts back and forth. 

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I think I agree with that. 
Yeah. 

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Boxy sends a super chat, says 
you are dismissed. 

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Bitch. 
What? 

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That's that's referring to Alan 
not being this, but he's like, 

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no, I'm going to tell you what I
think. 

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And Coralie's is going to is 
going to listen to it. 

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Yeah, I can't wait to discuss 
that scene in more detail. 

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Well, let's start off where it 
starts with the intro. 

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There is a thread passing 
through many Dragons. 

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That's the difference in the 
intro. 

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This time, basically every 
dragon I think that's been in 

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the show so far appears at the 
end. 

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And then there's ash instead of 
black blood. 

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I think it might be black blood 
still, but I think it looked 

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like ash, like scorched earth. 
So as I have said several times,

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we have a a mostly written intro
episode that we just have to 

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tweak based on the last few sets
of changes and then we'll have 

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the full thing for you. 
We start with the triarchy. 

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Our lead into the building where
the conversations are taking 

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place is a monkey of all things.
We get a monkey as our guide 

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there, sort of our our camera 
angle to start. 

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It's kind of neat. 
Can I say by the way, just 

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again, talking about the film 
making every now and then I, as 

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I watch this show, I can't 
decide is this a real image? 

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Is this a, an actual camera 
filming the coast off of, you 

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know, Spain or something or CGI.
And I, and when that monkey came

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in, I was like, that monkey 
looks real. 

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Maybe that was just a smooth 
transition of a real monkey into

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a CGIC. 
Maybe the whole scene's real. 

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And sure enough, in the behind 
the scenes that is a real monkey

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that had an animal handler and 
that so on, so on. 

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Like I, I, I don't know how much
credit I should give to the 

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House of the Dragon or the, the 
state of filmmaking technology 

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in general. 
But the the blending of of the 

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real imagery, the real 
characters and the real sets and

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the CGI stuff, whether it's 
something in the background or a

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dragon or whatever it is, it's 
becoming more and more seamless 

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and. 
Beautiful. 

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I totally agree. 
And that's one of the things I 

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think the show is just amazing. 
So I think when people like, you

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know, that when people complain 
about the show, they're 

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complaining about the story. 
No one ever seems to complain 

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about the acting or the music or
stuff like this. 

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And I wish people would conclude
that when they judge the show as

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always, like, well, you just 
don't take that for granted. 

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Like, how can it be when all 
when all these factors are like 

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a pluses? 
If you don't think the story's 

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an A+, well, that's fine. 
But how does that make the whole

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thing nothing? 
You know, I mean, the story can 

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be that bad. 
Don't get me wrong, I don't 

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think it is, but. 
I'm going to say I think there 

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were a couple of egregiously bad
VFX shots in this episode. 

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We did just talk about the White
Walker being kind of crappy. 

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OK, Yeah. 
Fairpoint Fairpoint at the end 

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the scene with Scirocco and and 
Thailand on that ship. 

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Awful looking, don't even. 
Put them on. 

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I didn't notice, but I I believe
you. 

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So I I I generally stunning show
some of the most incredible 

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cinematography. 
Maybe an A+? 

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Yeah, maybe. 
An A+ but somehow a couple are 

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DS. 
A couple. 

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Yeah, if you write, if you, I'm 
giving an overall grade. 

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But yeah, if you're talking 
about individual scenes, yeah, 

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yeah. 
Also keep in mind if you're 

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grading this like the Olympics, 
right, that you have like 

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difficulty and execution. 
Sure, they're maxed out in 

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difficulty, so sometimes the, 
the execution might miss, but if

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they're missing because they're 
doing something so difficult. 

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And you know, I had a little 
comment that it's not that 

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important, but it came up again 
about the, the white Walker's 

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scene, which again, maybe it 
wasn't worth the budget they 

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spent on it, but I'm a little 
more forgiving because it's part

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of a vision. 
So the vision or Damon's 

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interpretation of it might not 
be clear or accurate or good or 

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whatever. 
Does that make sense? 

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I I can well. 
That doesn't explain why it 

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doesn't look good though. 
It just doesn't look that good. 

449
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,200
That's that's the problem. 
Like that's it's not the 

450
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,040
confusing, it's not like what is
he seeing here? 

451
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:29,080
No, it just doesn't look that 
good. 

452
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,800
Anyway, we can talk about that 
scene more when we get to it. 

453
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,400
There is. 
Oh yeah. 

454
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,160
And about the monkey, I wanted 
to say something funny You you 

455
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,360
referenced behind the scenes 
Jefferson Hall, who plays 

456
00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:40,800
Thailand. 
And of course his brother, Sir 

457
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:45,000
Lord Jason doesn't like monkeys 
and so he didn't really like the

458
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,560
monkey. 
There's a little bit of David 

459
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,680
Schwimmer on friends vibe 
because David Schwimmer also 

460
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,640
didn't like that monkey because 
it was difficult to be a scene 

461
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,840
partner with the monkey and 
Thailand. 

462
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,680
Jefferson Hall doesn't didn't go
so far as to say I hate that 

463
00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,000
monkey like David Schwimmer did.
So funny. 

464
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,120
He just was like a little 
uncomfortable. 

465
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:03,800
He was also uncomfortable with 
singing. 

466
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,680
He said that was the worst part.
That was worse than the monkey 

467
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,680
was having to sing because he's 
like, I'm not a good singer. 

468
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,000
You know, he's like, I hate this
part. 

469
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,160
And and a reminder that this 
actor was also Sir Hugh of the 

470
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,280
Veil back in season one of Game 
of Thrones. 

471
00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:18,560
So he's just this guy's been 
around. 

472
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,880
He's also in Vikings. 
This is the first time where I 

473
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,200
see why they bothered to cast 
someone who was in Game of 

474
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,400
Thrones. 
This whole time I've been like, 

475
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,840
you know, there's a wide world 
of actors out there. 

476
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:31,280
You really didn't need to, but 
he really does show the range of

477
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,960
these two twins very well. 
You forget that Jason and 

478
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,560
Thailand are the same person. 
And, and it's something to be 

479
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,400
said for like, well, we've 
worked with this guy before. 

480
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,680
We know he's competent, 
professional or whatever. 

481
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,600
He knows maybe, maybe he's got a
little bit of a head start. 

482
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:43,440
I don't know. 
Maybe not. 

483
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:44,520
Maybe that doesn't matter at 
all. 

484
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,600
But yeah, I, I'm kind of with 
you there. 

485
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,080
It was a little, it's a little 
strange to reuse an actor, but 

486
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,840
when there's a small role like 
that, yeah. 

487
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,920
Like most people, the the 99% of
people wouldn't even notice that

488
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,520
that was Sir Hugh unless we 
pointed it out. 

489
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,240
Next season, they're going to 
cast Robert Downey Junior as a 

490
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,080
White Walker. 
That's funny. 

491
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,560
So there's three speakers facing
Thailand and these are each a 

492
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,800
representative from the three 
nations that make up the Kingdom

493
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,160
of Three Daughters. 
The pretty safe assumption that 

494
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,720
the blue bearded guy is from 
Thai Rash because that's what we

495
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,120
associate with dyed beard as a 
Thai Rashi thing. 

496
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:22,600
The rough voiced guy I kind of 
assume is Mirish because by 

497
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,240
process of elimination, I think 
the white guy with blue eyes is 

498
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,880
Lyseny, which makes sense. 
These guys seems to have blonde 

499
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,800
hair poking out from under his 
little hat there too. 

500
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:34,160
So he's I think I think that 
narrows it down pretty well, but

501
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,520
we don't actually know for sure 
because those actors are listed 

502
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,800
on the IMDb page without names, 
without roles. 

503
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,080
It just has their actor names. 
So I don't know. 

504
00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:45,880
Anyway, not super important. 
Thailand is uncomfortable and 

505
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,680
they said in the behind the 
scenes that that was part of 

506
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,960
what they were trying to do is 
make this place's non Westerosi 

507
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:55,840
as possible to make this rich 
Lord, you know, counselor guy as

508
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,920
uncomfortable as possible. 
Put him out of his element as 

509
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,000
much as possible. 
I love that they're just like 

510
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,200
your castle is the stables are 
made of gold and you're all this

511
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,880
and he's like he doesn't even 
try to tell them that's complete

512
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,120
nonsense. 
He's just like, yeah, but we 

513
00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:13,440
need all that money. 
Like, I can't convince them this

514
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:14,760
isn't true. 
They're not going to believe me.

515
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,440
It's again, you cry poverty 
like. 

516
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,040
So finally they agreed. 
Yeah, we'll do the step stones. 

517
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:23,600
Finally, I'll give you the step 
stones. 

518
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,960
Yeah, it's like, again, like you
have to. 

519
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,080
The step stones come back again.
And he's like, they're just a 

520
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,680
pile of rocks. 
He's like those pile of rocks 

521
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,680
y'all fought over, like all of 
season one. 

522
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,000
They're clearly worth more than 
some. 

523
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,960
If y'all A, you're wanting them 
now and B, you fought over them 

524
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,640
so much before they're clearly 
more than a pile. 

525
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,560
And he says, and you're like, 
you're just going to go right 

526
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,280
back to charging exorbitant fees
to get through there, aren't 

527
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,720
you? 
And he's like, better than 

528
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,600
losing. 
It's kind of like like, yes, in 

529
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,040
other words, yes, we are going 
to do that. 

530
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,080
We are going to basically be 
pirates again. 

531
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,440
You know, you called us pirates 
and we didn't like it, but we 

532
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,560
didn't argue. 
So, and they're like, all right,

533
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,520
fine, He, he, he gives up, you 
know, like, fine, I'll give you 

534
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:05,880
the we'll give you the step 
stones. 

535
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,200
A king might, you know, shred, 
you know, play me alive or 

536
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:10,640
whatever it is he says or hang 
him. 

537
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,120
And they're like, wait, hold on 
one more condition. 

538
00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:15,960
You have to impress Admiral 
Shirako Lohar. 

539
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,920
So this is Abigail Thorne of 
Philosophy tube, the YouTube 

540
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,480
channel. 
And also she's in the acolyte 

541
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,080
and Balder's Gate 3 as the voice
of Nocturne. 

542
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,800
And I love that this is a maybe 
a little hint there, a little, a

543
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:37,080
little nod because first line 
Abigail says or Chiraco says is 

544
00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:40,160
what kind of man are you? 
A poet, a philosopher? 

545
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:41,920
You know, and there you go, 
philosophy too. 

546
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,160
But there you go. 
So Abigail is a lesbian trans 

547
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:49,040
woman. 
And here they're calling her 

548
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,680
him, but in the behind the 
scenes they refer to her as she.

549
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,960
So maybe they them maybe non 
binary. 

550
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,440
It's OK to be confused about 
this because they haven't 

551
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,280
exactly made it clear. 
Yeah, I I think that if you're 

552
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,960
if you don't watch the 
interviews or BTS stuff, I think

553
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,080
your read of this character 
would be that this is a person 

554
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,920
who's living as a man with he 
him pronouns. 

555
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,600
But Abigail Thorne has made it 
clear that she refers to the 

556
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,760
character with she her. 
So I think I I'm just going to 

557
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,280
think of it as like femme, non 
binary. 

558
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:23,280
You can use either pronouns 
depending on context, etcetera. 

559
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:29,840
Seems to into women and men 
because seems to be flirting 

560
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,760
quite a bit with Thailand and 
trolling him a little bit, 

561
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,440
razzing him as it were and 
Abigail spoke about how she 

562
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,120
ships the two of them Thailand. 
Literally on a ship. 

563
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,240
But she ships the two of them 
and she had a really good a 

564
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,320
really good quote here that I 
want to that I want to read 

565
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,600
where she says I wanted to go 
back to the small council and 

566
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,120
just be like you guys all said 
that I was worth nothing. 

567
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,600
But here's my girlfriend and 
she's queen of the pirates. 

568
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,720
F you and I go, that's right, 
babe, F them up. 

569
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,920
So I don't know, I think it's 
cute. 

570
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,880
I mean, I'm I'm into the 
dynamic. 

571
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,800
I kind of like character who 
gives another kind of stodgy, 

572
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,600
stuffy character a hard time and
opens them up. 

573
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,080
I don't know. 
I'm I'm on board. 

574
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,120
Yeah, seeing him get in the mud,
that was fun. 

575
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:17,520
And some people didn't like that
scene. 

576
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,040
Thought it could have been, you 
know, that time could have been 

577
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,000
used for something else. 
I don't really get into the 

578
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,560
whole scene accounting. 
Like if we hadn't spent two 

579
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,320
minutes on that scene, we could 
have done this or that. 

580
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,360
I'm like, yeah, I guess. 
But I enjoyed the scene. 

581
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,600
Yeah, maybe it's not the best 
scene ever, but like, yeah, I 

582
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,560
don't know. 
I liked it and that's all I I 

583
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:36,840
don't really need to go beyond 
that. 

584
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:42,120
So I agree it is nice to see 
like a a rich kind of stodgy 

585
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,640
kind of guy get hazed. 
It's for lack of a better word. 

586
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,440
They were trying to like bring 
him down a notch, you know, and 

587
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,960
it it worked out. 
To his credit, it kind of he he 

588
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,160
played along pretty well and did
what was needed of him. 

589
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,880
Oh yeah, he did. 
He sure did. 

590
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,680
How many wives? 
How many wives do you have? 

591
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,480
I love how he's not against it. 
He's like, wait, how many wives 

592
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,360
are you talking about? 
You didn't you to say we're 

593
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,280
leaving tomorrow? 
Like how? 

594
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,200
Like, jeez, like I just said, I 
wanted to get a a bed and a flag

595
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,000
and a wand. 
Then you make me wrestle. 

596
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,960
Now I got to do that. 
Like where is all this energy 

597
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,480
coming from? 
There was another really good 

598
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,880
quote where they asked about 
like, how many wives in the 

599
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,840
interview, you know, and Abigail
goes, well, there's wives and 

600
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,040
there's wives, aren't there? 
I figured that maybe by the time

601
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,360
we see them again on the prow of
the ship, maybe Thailand is one 

602
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,360
of the wives at that point. 
You know, a wife can be many 

603
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,840
things. 
Wifey, he's totally wifed up. 

604
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,720
Yeah, yeah. 
Can I say a couple things about 

605
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,240
this scene? 
One is that the show in general 

606
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,800
is really heavy and dark. 
I mean, Game of Thrones was too,

607
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,360
but there was more. 
There were more light hearted 

608
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,120
characters and moments. 
There's not much of it. 

609
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,280
It's not like there's none. 
I definitely appreciate the 

610
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,440
comedic elements, but I feel 
like I seem like this does help 

611
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,840
to counter some of the tragedy 
that is pervasive in the show. 

612
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,360
It's a fairpoint, yeah. 
And also. 

613
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,640
As I was saying, I, I think it 
helped to kind of like balance 

614
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:11,080
the pacing as we lead up to the,
the kind of montage at the end. 

615
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,600
This is a little bit of an 
extended scene and it might have

616
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:19,960
been doing something else here. 
It's been 20 ish years since 

617
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,280
that fight in the step stones 
when Damon went down there with 

618
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,640
Corliss and everything right 
2218. 

619
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,560
Maybe more like 15, but yeah, 
something like that. 

620
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:34,040
Yeah, long enough that most of 
those sailors probably weren't 

621
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:35,840
there, probably don't remember 
it. 

622
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,440
And there was a little bit. 
I wonder how much of this was 

623
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,800
supposed to be showing us the 
the sweet summer children. 

624
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,520
Like, they don't realize the 
war. 

625
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:45,840
They're about to go into a 
dragon. 

626
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,480
Like, yeah, let's go get 
Corliss. 

627
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,480
Come on, everybody, fight, 
fight, fight. 

628
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,040
And they're about to get burned 
to death. 

629
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,320
You know, I wonder how much of 
that's going on. 

630
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,680
Here, well, they don't know and 
neither does Thailand about the 

631
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,440
dragon seeds yet. 
So they probably have the same 

632
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,640
information that the blacks 
don't actually have much going 

633
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,360
with Dragons right now. 
So that I don't know that they 

634
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,040
would have agreed so easily if 
it weren't for that. 

635
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,200
So they're, they're kind of not 
the Thailand's misleading 

636
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,120
because he doesn't know either, 
but they're kind of going under 

637
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,320
false pretenses here without 
the, without the, the full 

638
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,120
information. 
But I think you're you're, you 

639
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,200
make a decent point there that, 
yeah, a lot of them wouldn't 

640
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,480
know some of them. 
But, but some of the fighting 

641
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:17,760
was more recent. 
Remember, they've been fighting 

642
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,280
over, but it was only recently 
that, that, that it was 

643
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,640
finished. 
Remember, Corliss got injured. 

644
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,520
That wasn't that, that wasn't 15
years ago. 

645
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,440
That was like finishing, but 
Damon wasn't part of that. 

646
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,280
Right, Dragons weren't involved.
Right. 

647
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:30,680
So this was just that was just 
coral. 

648
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,360
That was just naval activity. 
So, yeah. 

649
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,360
And that's what they said. 
They didn't mention getting back

650
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:35,880
at Damon. 
They mentioned we're going to 

651
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,680
the seasnake rue the day he, you
know, but they didn't. 

652
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,760
Yeah, no, no mention of Damon. 
So that that's who they 

653
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,840
remember, that's who they've 
been struggling against for so 

654
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,440
long. 
And he's kind of the eternal 

655
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,600
villain to them. 
He's an older man. 

656
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,520
He's been the the dominant 
presence for so long and has 

657
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,280
this big name this there's all 
this glory that he just in this 

658
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,560
episode decides to eschew for 
for more. 

659
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,600
Or maybe it was when Rainey's 
died that he's on that track now

660
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,400
of doing things for other people
and less about himself. 

661
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,440
But again, we'll talk about that
when we get to it. 

662
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,080
So the ship set sail pretty 
quickly. 

663
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:09,920
That was my one. 
One minor complaint I have is 

664
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,680
like, that's an awfully large 
Armada to just get up and go. 

665
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,920
You usually would need some more
preparation, but. 

666
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,880
And that's how you could have 
solved my issue of that terrible

667
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,400
ship scene is just don't put 
them on the ship yet and have 

668
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,840
them still just on land. 
We'll sail later, you know. 

669
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,400
Yeah, that makes some sense. 
So yeah, we do see them in the 

670
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,280
montage later. 
I have the whole montage written

671
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:29,640
out, so at the end of the 
episode we'll just go through 

672
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,200
that real quick and see all the 
things we talk about. 

673
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,840
But hey, Sean, are you going to 
be surprised or expecting in 20 

674
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:39,520
years for a a host of blonde 
pirates to show up in Westeros 

675
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,200
and start menacing the Seven 
Kingdoms like those look like 

676
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:43,800
Lannisters? 
What's going on here? 

677
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,560
You don't think Thailand's kids 
would be born more virtuous than

678
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,000
to be a parrot? 
I love how she calls him Tywin. 

679
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,040
That's the first name he gets. 
Is Tywin, Yeah. 

680
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,120
She calls him Tywin, Tyrod and 
Thiamine. 

681
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:58,800
Yeah, it's not a name we've ever
heard of. 

682
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,480
Yeah, we haven't heard Tyrod, I 
don't think. 

683
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:02,800
Yeah. 
And then she and then she calls 

684
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,520
him Thailand. 
She actually does finally say 

685
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,080
Thailand when she's like 
accepting him or whatever. 

686
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,440
And also there's one at one 
point he says it's Thailand. 

687
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,280
And it says in the subtitle, it 
says futilely in parentheses, 

688
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,560
it's it's Thailand, like 
futilely. 

689
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:16,920
That's an adverb. 
Now. 

690
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,239
I love it. 
I didn't never used that word 

691
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,239
before. 
Anyway, so there's the scene 

692
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,280
kind of ends with her giving a 
toothy grin. 

693
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:27,159
And it's a great transition to 
Vagar's toothy grin having just 

694
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:30,760
devastated sharp point. 
So this is the seat of Bar 

695
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,920
Emmon. 
If you watch the watch the 

696
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,159
behind the scenes, Ryan Condall 
made an oopsie. 

697
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,040
He said this is the seat of 
House Massey. 

698
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,239
It is not. 
But it is one of Rainier's 

699
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:41,679
allies. 
It's one of her key allies. 

700
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:43,440
It's not a, it's not a 
functional mistake it. 

701
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,719
Is on Massey's hook. 
So, yeah, yeah. 

702
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,600
You know House Massey lives on 
Massey's Hook, but not at sharp.

703
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,760
Points and they might even be 
Bar Emmon might even be sworn to

704
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,040
Stone dance. 
I don't think they are. 

705
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:55,480
I think they're both sworn to 
Dragonstone. 

706
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,360
But anyway, it's not a mistake 
in the show. 

707
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,040
It's just a mistake that Ryan 
made describing who this seat is

708
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,400
because the in the show they 
refer to that as Bar Emmon's 

709
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,120
seat. 
In other times prior to this, 

710
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:11,200
like Maestro Girardi says that 
Bar Emmon is, you know, raised 

711
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,720
their banners for Rainier. 
So this is it's all fits anyway,

712
00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:16,160
Despite that little mistake in 
the behind the scenes. 

713
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,960
So not much to see here or to 
talk about. 

714
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,120
Rather, it's just a quick shot 
of sharp point being burned and 

715
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,120
and then it comes up later in 
the conversations. 

716
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,440
Is is. 
It just weird. 

717
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,480
It even just seemed like he's 
just kind of hovering. 

718
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,040
He is just looks like he's kind 
of hovering. 

719
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,480
I noticed that too. 
I don't see why a dragon 

720
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,560
couldn't just flap in place. 
Birds can do that. 

721
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,160
A Hummingbird, yeah. 
Yeah. 

722
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:40,760
Yeah, I think he's on a Cliff 
face. 

723
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,120
I think he's just like landed 
and looking over, I think. 

724
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:44,840
He was perched. 
Thank you for that, Sean, 

725
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,120
because it really was bothering 
me, the idea of just like 

726
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:52,000
stationary dragon in the air. 
Yeah, Sean, you wonder about 

727
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,640
this. 
Is this what's your take on 

728
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,280
Eamon just flying off and just 
burning a town? 

729
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:02,440
You know, like that's not cool. 
Yeah, I not that it's unexpected

730
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,320
necessarily. 
It's not cool to burn towns, 

731
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:07,880
kids. 
You heard it here first. 

732
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:12,200
Just say no when Eamon comes to 
you and he will come to you, 

733
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,520
everyone of you, in your homes. 
Helena, it was first, but he's 

734
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:20,280
going to come to you next. 
And she said, no, he's like, 

735
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:26,600
well, maybe you will help me. 
It is, I mean, it is something 

736
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,240
that is part of war and it's 
part of why war is so bad. 

737
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:33,520
And it's something that, you 
know, Ranira is facing as well. 

738
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,960
And it's something that I hope 
that Ranira or some of these 

739
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:43,880
characters could simply circle 
the city. 1 strafe run through 

740
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,880
the outskirts burned down a 
farm, some small. 

741
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:51,720
You know, rather than like level
the Main Street with fire. 

742
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:56,200
Just show the potential, show 
the threat is is what I would do

743
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,120
if I was would. 
That be a situation war. 

744
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,280
Would that be a not? 
Try. 

745
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,480
Yeah, I don't know, I I think it
would because I think that it's 

746
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,240
especially because part of the 
the dynamics going on here is 

747
00:37:07,240 --> 00:37:09,760
that you can only be in so many 
places at once. 

748
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:14,200
Yeah, so even with a bunch of 
Dragons that the other side has,

749
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,560
they still have to know where 
Veigar or Amond is, right? 

750
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,240
So he could fly to some random 
town, burn it and fly to some 

751
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:23,280
other random town if they happen
to guess the right place, and 

752
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,160
intercepts with three or four 
Dragons with OK, maybe they can 

753
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:31,080
stop him. 
But until then, what do they do?

754
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,120
This is it. 
You know what I mean. 

755
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:36,800
And and at the flip side, the 
other Dragons could do the same 

756
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,720
thing. 
And I think that's what Raniero 

757
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:40,600
was saying or Corliss was 
saying. 

758
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,800
I don't want to get it too much.
We'll talk about later, but but 

759
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,640
strike now. 
Like if we go attack at Old Town

760
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,000
and Atlantisport or whatever, 
Veigar can't just hang around 

761
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,520
King's Landing to defend it. 
There's other places to go 

762
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,080
defend. 
And we can keep hitting other 

763
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,520
towns with three of our seven or
whatever Dragons. 

764
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,360
And he can only stop so much, 
even if Elena went with them or 

765
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,000
not. 
What this leads to is thousands 

766
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,840
of innocent people just randomly
dying as the dragon riders try 

767
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,400
to distract each other or catch 
each other, whatever it is, and 

768
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,160
so off, Phil. 
So if you're going to do that, I

769
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,720
would hope at least you try to 
do it in a way that threatens 

770
00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:19,400
the potential and not actually 
burning the town. 

771
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,120
Well, the problem with the 
problem with that strategy, 

772
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,320
Sean, is that then you're more 
afraid of the other side 'cause 

773
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,640
they can do worse to you. 
You're like, well, both sides 

774
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,840
have the ability to burn you out
if you don't take their side, 

775
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,560
but so if you're not going full 
scale like Eamon did here, then 

776
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,320
you're going to fear the other 
side even more because like, 

777
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,720
well, this side only burned us a
little, then the other side will

778
00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:39,800
burn us completely. 
Also, it doesn't remove them as 

779
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,120
a military threat. 
If you do that, if you if you 

780
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,440
burn the whole city now this 
this city can't help Rainier at 

781
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,480
all. 
So they're no longer part of the

782
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:47,960
war. 
So I don't know. 

783
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,160
I mean, I see what you're 
saying, but you can see why it's

784
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,320
there's a reason to destroy it, 
even though it's not moral. 

785
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:55,760
But like you said, it's a part 
of war. 

786
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,240
He. 
He's not exactly just destroying

787
00:38:59,240 --> 00:39:02,000
stuff, right? 
But like I'm saying, what is he 

788
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,240
just saying? 
He's not just just being just 

789
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:07,760
needlessly, like, wantonly 
destructive, like, oh, I love 

790
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,480
this destruction. 
He could have stopped it 

791
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,560
destroying the port, only he 
could have just destroyed the 

792
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,800
port and maybe like the 
barracks, like the military 

793
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,480
stuff and just left the 
population alone because they're

794
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,280
not participating in the war. 
Like, what's he worried about? 

795
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,320
Some levees, some farmers with 
pitchforks, Like that's not, 

796
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:24,800
that's not really a threat to 
him, you know? 

797
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,880
So I think this is an important 
scene to me personally because 

798
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,600
this is the moment in the show 
that Eamon has crossed over in 

799
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:40,160
my eyes from love to watch him 
hope for some moments of 

800
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,040
vulnerability. 
You know, whatever my opinion 

801
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,440
was, which was I was never a 
Damon fan fan. 

802
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,600
I knew the darkness, etcetera. 
This is the moment where I'm 

803
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:52,360
like love to hate him, think 
he's despicable, think he has 

804
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:57,000
has killed a lot, a lot. 
Again, the battle of Rooks Rest 

805
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,120
was a little bit different to 
me. 

806
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,600
It was it wasn't that moment and
this is it. 

807
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,440
And then it gets worse and worse
as the episode goes on, as he, 

808
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,720
you know, the manhandles Helena 
and is pushy with her. 

809
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,840
But I still love to see him on 
my screen. 

810
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,920
I'm still a huge fan, Mitchell. 
He still serves. 

811
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,400
Yeah, all of that. 
You're you're right, but I don't

812
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:17,000
know. 
He killed a. 

813
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,400
Whole whole lot of people ruined
a whole lot of lives. 

814
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,880
It's like what his mom said, 
like you're insulted, you're 

815
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,080
beaten, you're embarrassed, so 
you go hurt people. 

816
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,040
It's it's it's pretty classic 
like psychopath or sociopath. 

817
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,560
Like he things don't go his way,
so he goes and hurts someone. 

818
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,720
And now, yes, there is even 
even. 

819
00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:36,000
And that's true even with this 
as a military target, which it's

820
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,560
it's partly questionable, not 
entirely. 

821
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:42,760
So yeah, anyway, let's move on. 
What's a lot about the burning 

822
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,640
of Sharp Point? 
Larry's and Aegon? 

823
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,360
Like I, like I said, transition 
from a burned city where people 

824
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,720
are screaming to a person that 
has been through that. 

825
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,000
And I like how he's like, or 
while maybe we could have a 

826
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,960
little bit of rum and he calls 
him a good man, I think he's 

827
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,920
just calling him a good man 
'cause he's once the rum. 

828
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,080
He's like, you're a good man, 
Come on, give me that rum. 

829
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,600
But he's not wrong. 
He is one of the most decent 

830
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,640
people left in King's Landing, 
which isn't saying a lot because

831
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,840
he has been partied to some kind
of shitty things, but generally 

832
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,760
he is. 
Yeah, he doesn't have so much 

833
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,600
baggage on his shoulders like 
this guy. 

834
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,840
Like, compared to other people, 
like, yeah, he's his, his bad 

835
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,400
deeds are pretty minor, I 
suppose. 

836
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,640
So the news comes in, Lauris 
comes in and gives him the 

837
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:23,840
scoop. 
He's like, well, your brother 

838
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,600
just ran off and burned a bunch 
of innocent people. 

839
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,320
And. 
And Aegon's response was to call

840
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,080
him a, a mad C word. 
He's like, what? 

841
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,240
And then he's like, no, really, 
Rainier really did find 3 new 

842
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:35,880
dragon riders first. 
He didn't accept it. 

843
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:37,640
He's like, she really did that, 
huh? 

844
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,720
He's like, yeah, that's that's 
what word we have is. 

845
00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:43,280
So he's confused about that, how
that's even possible. 

846
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,680
But before he doesn't, before he
can really think about it, 

847
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,440
Larry's pushes this hole. 
We got to go. 

848
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,080
Ayman will kill you. 
He doesn't beat around the Bush 

849
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:52,680
anymore. 
He's like, he's he will kill 

850
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,240
you. 
It's not like he might kill you.

851
00:41:55,240 --> 00:41:56,400
I don't. 
I'm worried about what he might 

852
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:57,640
do. 
No, he will kill you. 

853
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,000
It's very straightforward, and 
it's hard to argue he's wrong. 

854
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,880
Like, what do you think, Sean? 
You think you think Larry's 

855
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,480
exaggerating a lot or a little? 
Because he's definitely not 

856
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,880
exaggerating completely. 
Or maybe not exaggerating at 

857
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,600
all, Maybe. 
Yeah, I think he's making a a 

858
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:16,640
very reasonable guess as to what
might happen, but presenting it 

859
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,480
like a given fact. 
And so I'm not sure. 

860
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,800
I think it's a a little bit of 
an exaggeration. 

861
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,880
But the other part is is a 
little easier to believe, right.

862
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,200
He's when he says, well, what if
you if you arrest your brother? 

863
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,400
Well, then what you're going to 
do against Rainier has seven 

864
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:29,760
Dragons. 
He has no answer for that 

865
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,280
because there is no answer for 
that. 

866
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:36,000
Like no so so Larius plan and to
leave and let the two sides tear

867
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,160
each other apart. 
It. 

868
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,960
Might be a decent plan. 
It's a little a little bit of 

869
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,560
Jorah and Danny to it doesn't 
he's like run away, run away 

870
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,360
with me to the east and we'll 
live well until well. 

871
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,560
It's also got shades of Kristen 
Rainiera and Kristen and Allison

872
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:51,960
and Allison and Rainiera. 
Yeah. 

873
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,680
Anyways. 
There's a lot of run away with 

874
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,440
me. 
Examples. 

875
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,640
Yeah, there's, yeah. 
Allison and Helena want to run. 

876
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,280
Yeah, I don't know. 
Helena isn't like, where are we 

877
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:01,640
going? 
But Allison's, yeah, talking 

878
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,320
about running away. 
She both times Allison has asked

879
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,400
that she doesn't actually say 
where she wants to go, but we'll

880
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:06,240
get to that later. 
Yeah. 

881
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,680
So, yeah, Sean, go ahead. 
Let me let you weigh in here. 

882
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,560
One thought here, especially the
way they transitioned from AM 

883
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,160
and burned in that town to Aegon
laying there with all those 

884
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:20,240
burns makes me wonder if Aegon 
maybe has had some sort of 

885
00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:23,240
internal growth that he may feel
some empathy for the people of 

886
00:43:23,240 --> 00:43:24,280
that town. 
Like maybe? 

887
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,080
He know how he's been through it
himself, yeah. 

888
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,480
Exactly when he knows the sort 
of pain and suffering that comes

889
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:34,000
from it and also in line with 
him telling or while he's a good

890
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,440
man, like you're really helping 
me, I'm really suffering and 

891
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,600
you're really helping and you're
a good person for that. 

892
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,360
Like maybe he just wants to run 
but. 

893
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,200
Could be both. 
Yeah, I think a lot about Theon 

894
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:50,080
in the main story, you know, the
song of main song of Isafire 

895
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:54,800
novels and how I I feel like 
frustrated with his his arc, if 

896
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,760
you will, is reek that for all 
the suffering that he's gone 

897
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:04,240
through, I don't think he really
regrets the mistakes or the the 

898
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:05,880
the real mistakes that he made, 
if you will. 

899
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,480
I think he regrets the turn that
things have taken. 

900
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,640
Maybe he even regrets betraying 
Rob. 

901
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,480
I don't think he regrets raping 
any of the girls that he raped, 

902
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:15,360
right. 
I don't. 

903
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,500
Think that all this. 
Suffering has made him re 

904
00:44:18,500 --> 00:44:20,760
evaluate the type of man he was 
before. 

905
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,040
He doesn't feel bad about 
betraying the Starks, you know? 

906
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,360
Or not just Rob, but Sansa too, 
Yeah. 

907
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:31,360
But but even that is sort of 
like a decision of loyalty among

908
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,400
the nobles. 
It's not he's I still don't feel

909
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,040
like he actually has respect for
the rights of other humans. 

910
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,280
You know, I don't, he's never 
said it. 

911
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:44,360
We've gotten his POV and I feel 
like the all the suffering he's 

912
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,840
gone through doesn't make me 
forgive him because I don't 

913
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,720
think he's acknowledged the 
things that he's done wrong. 

914
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,880
Sure and I was thinking the same
thing about Aegon until this 

915
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,480
scene. 
The whole time was like all 

916
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,520
right this is really sucky for 
him but I don't think he even 

917
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,400
remembers that he raped that 
girl or killed those rat 

918
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,240
catchers. 
I don't think he has any remorse

919
00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:06,040
for his lack of morality, but I 
think maybe for the first time 

920
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,520
here he is having a little bit 
of empathy and. 

921
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,600
Think that I don't, I don't 
have, I mean, I, I, I was with 

922
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,640
you up until that and that. 
I don't think Aegon, I think he 

923
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,440
feels badly about the situation 
he's in, but I don't think he's 

924
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:21,840
thinking about him assaulting 
Diana, for example. 

925
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,120
Are you saying he didn't? 
Think he's girly, thinking about

926
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,880
the fact that he cannot sleep 
with any girl again. 

927
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,360
Right, right. 
I think about a lot of things 

928
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,880
and I said he might. 
I don't know if he has, but I 

929
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,400
feel like he might be starting 
to consider what the rest of the

930
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,000
world lives like when you just 
don't have the power to walk 

931
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:39,920
into the king and tell everyone 
what to do when he's. 

932
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,360
Losing his, losing his 
physicality. 

933
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:43,920
Well, no, no, I think you might 
have misunderstood, Sean. 

934
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,000
He wasn't saying he she was. 
He was thinking about those 

935
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,200
things. 
He was saying he wasn't thinking

936
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,360
about those things. 
He wasn't thinking about Diana. 

937
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,920
He's saying he's thinking about 
the burn victims because they've

938
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:54,120
experienced the same thing, 
right? 

939
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,960
Isn't that what you're saying? 
Which might lead to him to think

940
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,800
it. 
Might eventually lead to think 

941
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,120
about Deanna, but it hasn't yet.
Yeah, that he wasn't saying 

942
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:02,960
that. 
Feeling for the burn victims. 

943
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:07,520
Yes, I but when he brings up how
his his cock bursts like a 

944
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,920
sausage, I don't think he's 
thinking, oh good, I'm never 

945
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,080
gonna do that. 
Deanna, I agree. 

946
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,560
He's not thinking that he's. 
Thinking I sure would sleep with

947
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,840
Deanna again if I could. 
You know, 100% agree, yes. 

948
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,600
Well, here's the other thing he 
might be thinking about. 

949
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,760
Maybe not, but that Laura should
be thinking about. 

950
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:28,000
And then I'm thinking about he 
can't have an air now, what's 

951
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,400
what's Lars in game? 
Say Lars takes Aegon away and 

952
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,760
the greens and the blacks do 
tear each other part and Aegon 

953
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,680
is able to show back up and 
everyone is so happy. 

954
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,600
He has bastards, Sean. 
There's a very easy answer 

955
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:41,680
there. 
He can legitimize one of his 

956
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,280
bastards. 
Yeah. 

957
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,000
I mean, that's not necessarily 
what's going to happen, but he 

958
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:47,720
doesn't have to. 
And also, he can just name an 

959
00:46:47,720 --> 00:46:48,560
air. 
He doesn't have to have 

960
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,000
children. 
It just has to be some other 

961
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:51,760
Targaryen or some other person 
with blood. 

962
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,480
That's not that hard of a thing 
to get over. 

963
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,360
It's not, it's not a, it's not a
deal breaker. 

964
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,080
I I, I kind of wanted to agree 
with you, except that's what 

965
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,080
this whole war is right now. 
Someone named their Aaron is not

966
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,480
being accepted so. 
Well, that's a lot different 

967
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,280
than at the end of a war when 
everyone's tired, which is what 

968
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,760
he said he's like, well, they'll
be well, they'll accept you as a

969
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,520
hail you as the guy that can put
on a stop to all this. 

970
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,520
So which is much different than 
in a time of peace where that's 

971
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,640
what it all got started. 
Can he though? 

972
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:15,840
What's he gonna do to put his 
well? 

973
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,200
That's the remains to be seen. 
We'll have to wait and see. 

974
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:19,160
Yeah. 
So can he? 

975
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,200
I don't know, like with Larry's 
help, maybe. 

976
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,000
But like, things are gonna be a 
lot different when they if when 

977
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,640
Slash if they make their return.
I just can't be help but be 

978
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,760
suspicious of what Lars's plan 
is here, other than we just got 

979
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,640
to get out of town before we die
and we'll figure out the rest. 

980
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:35,120
Later. 
Well, yes, that is it. 

981
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,520
I think that's all that I think 
that is the majority of it is 

982
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:41,520
that they're both not safe. 
Aymond isn't giving him a place 

983
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,680
in his regime. 
He's and Aymond is running 

984
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,280
things horribly. 
So it's time to get the heck out

985
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,360
of there because he can see the 
direction things are going, 

986
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,320
especially now that they're 
outnumbered dragon wise. 

987
00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:52,720
But does Lars want to come back 
with nothing? 

988
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,560
He wants to come back with a 
person that might be able that 

989
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:58,160
still has a claim to the throne 
because that's a that's a route 

990
00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:59,560
to power, which is what he's 
always wanted. 

991
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,520
He's always wanted power. 
We don't know why he wants 

992
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:02,720
power, but he clearly does want 
it. 

993
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,480
So the names get thrown. 
He brings up the sobriquet. 

994
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,360
He's like, you could be Aegon 
the rebuilder, Aegon the 

995
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,960
victorious. 
And he says Aegon the realms 

996
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,440
delight, which is a book Easter 
egg. 

997
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,000
That was Rainier's nickname in 
the books. 

998
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,360
That name was not used in the 
show for her. 

999
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,800
I'm. 
Trying to think in my head, 

1000
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,080
Canada, this is that Rainier was
called that in the show and that

1001
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:27,760
Aegon was was admitting to kind 
of really wanting to to be in 

1002
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,000
her role as like the one the 
king had chosen and all of that 

1003
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,720
so that I don't. 
Know I'm choosing to. 

1004
00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:36,000
Believe that rather than Aegon 
coming up with that out of his 

1005
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:40,480
head out of nowhere, that he was
really thinking that he could be

1006
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,680
everything that, you know, 
Rainier had been to the the 

1007
00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:44,800
realm. 
Yeah, I I can see that. 

1008
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,160
I can see that. 
So the next thing we cut to is 

1009
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,080
Reyna in the veil. 
Now Reyna in the veil pops 

1010
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:51,760
several times. 
This is this is the one 

1011
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,280
exception to us going scene by 
scene because there's just a 

1012
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:58,200
bunch of like four, maybe five 
or six of these scenes where 

1013
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,440
she'd goes drink some water, 
She's sleeping in the cold, 

1014
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,640
she's running over a hill. 
None of these are even a minute 

1015
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:06,880
long. 
They're really quick. 

1016
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,520
It's very serious Daenerys vibes
lost in the wilderness trying to

1017
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,600
find a dragon that hasn't 
actually accepted her yet. 

1018
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,000
She has called that in season 
one. 

1019
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:16,200
Oh, she is. 
OK cool. 

1020
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:17,720
I just said like a couple times 
maybe. 

1021
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:19,840
What by the by the street 
performers? 

1022
00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:22,600
The street performers. 
OK, Yeah, it is a common name. 

1023
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,000
Yeah, of course. 
Like nobles are going to call 

1024
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,080
her that. 
But either way, she is called. 

1025
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:27,800
OK, I guess I just forgot. 
Cool. 

1026
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,360
So yeah, Danny vibes here with 
Rayna. 

1027
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:38,400
And it's easier for Danny in 
some ways though, because Danny 

1028
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,240
has a prior connection to 
Drogon, whereas Rayna's never 

1029
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:44,680
even seen this dragon and of 
course it hasn't seen her. 

1030
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:49,720
And and Drogon isn't wild for 
decades before this scene. 

1031
00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:52,640
So it's not going to be easy for
her to tame this dragon, I 

1032
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,320
think, which is why it doesn't 
end with her doing so. 

1033
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,520
It shouldn't it? 
It can't just be that simple. 

1034
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,560
Anyone who has read the books 
had to have been a little bit 

1035
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,080
scared of her drinking this 
water. 

1036
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:04,920
I. 
Was like Danny's like, Oh no, 

1037
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,840
don't get the Danny bad, bro. 
This is a cool mountain stream 

1038
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:12,280
though, yeah? 
You know, Danny also, if you 

1039
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,320
will, had it easier because 
she'd have more experience 

1040
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,800
roughing it. 
But you know, she might not have

1041
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:22,720
had it easier at the beginning 
with the the the Dothraki horde,

1042
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:25,640
but after being with them for a 
while she would be a little more

1043
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,200
used to the wilderness and 
thirst. 

1044
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,480
Good point. 
Danny crossed the red waist that

1045
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:33,120
she has some serious experience 
and and deprivation and yeah, 

1046
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:34,240
going without water and all 
that. 

1047
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:39,240
Yeah, Raina does not have that. 
But I was one one thing that I 

1048
00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:43,440
found pretty odd here is that or
maybe I don't find odd. 

1049
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:45,360
I feel like something's being 
ignored. 

1050
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,080
The rest of her party and maybe 
even everyone in a veil should 

1051
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:50,920
be out looking for her. 
There should be some real 

1052
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:52,840
concern. 
I can't believe that they just 

1053
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:54,360
like where'd she go? 
Oh well. 

1054
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,040
And just kept going to. 
I can believe they haven't found

1055
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:58,200
her though. 
Like why would they? 

1056
00:50:58,200 --> 00:50:59,560
Why would you assume they found 
her though? 

1057
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,720
This is. 
What I don't get about this is 

1058
00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:04,880
that she's very privileged. 
She's like one of the most 

1059
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:08,080
senior people in that party, if 
not the a senior person. 

1060
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,760
I think she could have just told
her party, oh, I got word that 

1061
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,040
I'm supposed to go tame this 
dragon or whatever she's 

1062
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,080
supposed to do. 
And she could have had a pack of

1063
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:17,320
supplies and she could have gone
off. 

1064
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,440
I don't think anyone would have 
argued against her again, 

1065
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,400
because I think she is the most 
in charge person in that group 

1066
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,320
of people. 
So yeah, I agree. 

1067
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,560
I I kind of just wish she had 
handled it differently. 

1068
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:29,920
I don't. 
I'm not surprised at all that 

1069
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,600
she hasn't found. 
I just wish one of those cuts in

1070
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,400
the scenes was the captain of 
that guard and like, we've got 

1071
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,440
to find her. 
Go tell Lady Jane where's. 

1072
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,760
Bayla. 
There's going to be all kinds of

1073
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,560
drama going on with the people 
in this. 

1074
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,600
I guess it's. 
Just not important though, like 

1075
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,800
the there's this whole who cares
about that captain? 

1076
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,880
Like, like, So what if they're 
looking for her? 

1077
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:51,120
Like, you know what I mean? 
Like, that's all I see. 

1078
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:52,640
Like that's the kind of scene. 
Yeah. 

1079
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,880
Well, we can assume they are, 
but we don't need to see it, you

1080
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,960
know, like that. 
That is one I would put counting

1081
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:57,680
on. 
Why do we need to see these 

1082
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,080
people's searching for Reyna? 
That would be a waste of time in

1083
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:01,960
my opinion. 
I agree we don't need to see it.

1084
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,360
I think you're right is these we
should assume, Sean that they 

1085
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,400
are looking the veil is large. 
They cannot find her. 

1086
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:11,120
She's a single girl. 
I still can also wish that they 

1087
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,240
that wouldn't even be an issue. 
If she had just been a liar and 

1088
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:16,640
just told like I would have I 
would have found it more cunning

1089
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,040
of her. 
You know, if she had maneuvered 

1090
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,600
things so that like, they gave 
her a pack and set her off with 

1091
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,080
well wishes, I would have 
admired her canniness and and 

1092
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,400
and. 
I'm not sure that I don't think 

1093
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,200
I'd buy that though. 
I don't agree with that because 

1094
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,320
like they like Jane gave them 
specific orders like you've take

1095
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,360
her to the boat. 
Like why would she just have 

1096
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,280
separate orders that countermand
what their lady told? 

1097
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,760
Her, I think she could have told
Jane that and Jane would have 

1098
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,720
said, oh, you got a letter from 
Rainier, OK. 

1099
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,680
But she would know like either 
the letter, the letter goes 

1100
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,440
through Jane. 
Jane sees any letter that goes 

1101
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:48,800
to Raina, it goes to her 
maester. 

1102
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,600
She's not going to. 
I don't think she has that. 

1103
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,360
Lie harder Reyna, get some 
supplies, don't be out there 

1104
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,280
with. 
With I'm not buying that y'all, 

1105
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,600
but I I do agree that there's 
some flaws here, but I don't 

1106
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,720
know about that one. 
Anyway, let's not get bogged 

1107
00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:03,520
down on this is a very small 
thing. 

1108
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:08,520
Let's move on. 
So possibly in episode one of 

1109
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,120
season three, this will 
conclude, but I wouldn't bet on 

1110
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:11,520
that either. 
I bet it's gonna take a little 

1111
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,280
while for her to win this dragon
over. 

1112
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,120
This brings me to my complaint 
of this scene. 

1113
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,240
My major complaint is where the 
the Veil, the clansmen would 

1114
00:53:19,240 --> 00:53:22,040
know she's there. 
The Veil, the the clans of the 

1115
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,400
Veil are all over. 
And she's gone a lot of ways 

1116
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,680
without in in apparently 
encountering a single soul. 

1117
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,760
That part I have a little bit of
an issue with. 

1118
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,880
But yeah, what are you gonna do?
Maybe the clans noticed. 

1119
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,240
Steer clear of this Dragon's 
hunting area. 

1120
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,360
Maybe that I did that did occur 
to me, but it seems kind of 

1121
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,400
unlikely that they would be that
worried about this dragon 

1122
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,960
considering it's so new and 
probably hasn't killed any of 

1123
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:44,560
them or anything. 
Maybe it has. 

1124
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:48,040
Dad, I just I am bothered by in 
the press conference that Ryan 

1125
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:52,040
Condell gave, he just is very 
cagey about the condensation of 

1126
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,640
of this character with the book 
character of Nettles, which 

1127
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:56,640
seems pretty obvious at this 
point. 

1128
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,440
And I I feel that his caginess 
has given people hope for 

1129
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,480
Nettles to still exist in season
three. 

1130
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:06,240
And I just think we needed give 
her up for lost and I wish he 

1131
00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:07,880
would just be honest with us 
that no. 

1132
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,520
Well, I don't know that he's not
being honest. 

1133
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,440
I think he maybe they just 
haven't written it all yet. 

1134
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,440
I don't know that he's fully 
decided yet. 

1135
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,800
Maybe maybe it is and he is just
being cagey, but I'm not 

1136
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:17,000
assuming that. 
I don't know that they've 

1137
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:17,720
decided. 
Fully. 

1138
00:54:17,720 --> 00:54:21,680
I'm going out there and saying 
if Raina fails to tame sheep 

1139
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,680
Steeler because she's already 
tamed by nettles or something 

1140
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:26,720
happens here, that I will be so 
on board. 

1141
00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:28,840
That'll be the funniest thing 
they could have ever done. 

1142
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,320
That seems unlikely, but I'll be
cool. 

1143
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,400
That's. 
Hard, but I I don't think it's 

1144
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,640
possible and I wish he wouldn't 
give me that glimmer of hope. 

1145
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,240
I would like to just spend the 
next two years. 

1146
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,200
That's interesting. 
I really don't see it as that 

1147
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:39,640
glimmer. 
I really, that's not how I see 

1148
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,000
it at all, but I get that. 
I'm not saying you're wrong to 

1149
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,480
feel that way, but it doesn't 
give me a glimmer frankly in. 

1150
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,160
Discord channels on, Twitter on 
and everything people are using 

1151
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,960
that quote as proof for. 
Well, maybe we will still get I.

1152
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,640
Mean people were saying that 
people were predicting that this

1153
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,080
scene would end with her finding
Nettles already on sheep 

1154
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,400
stealer, which was very hopium 
like that never that was never 

1155
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,280
people are very people are just 
really hopeful for Nettles. 

1156
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,480
I agree, but some of that is 
just people are really. 

1157
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,160
Hopeful. 
Like if he just said in that 

1158
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,880
interview, no, there's no 
nettles, stay tuned for what we 

1159
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:08,560
do with Reyna. 
Like that would cover it, but he

1160
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,720
just really could not. 
Well, maybe there, yeah, maybe 

1161
00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:12,280
there is a Nettles and it'll be 
something else. 

1162
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,280
Yeah, I don't know. 
Anyway, let's move on. 

1163
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,920
I I only have this vague idea in
my mind that Nettles was a 

1164
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:22,360
dragon rider that wasn't 
Targaryen and I guess she's. 

1165
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:23,640
Another dragon team. 
Period. 

1166
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,960
But yeah, I, I, I didn't really 
know that Nettles was even from 

1167
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,720
this time period. 
But so I I don't have the right 

1168
00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:33,720
context and maybe I don't even 
want to know too much more, but 

1169
00:55:33,720 --> 00:55:36,360
I wonder if Nettles could be 
like an Obi Wan type character 

1170
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,040
that guides her or something you
know? 

1171
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,240
No, that wouldn't work. 
That wouldn't work. 

1172
00:55:41,240 --> 00:55:44,440
Some people have even had 
theories about this means that 

1173
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,200
like, Raina's gonna have like a 
secret persona, you know that 

1174
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,520
she is going to not let people 
know that she's Raina Targaryen.

1175
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,960
And let's talk about this in a 
non spoilery episode 'cause 

1176
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,120
we're we're already talking over
what Sean can can process you. 

1177
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:57,960
Mean a spoilery episode. 
Yeah, that's what I meant. 

1178
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:02,560
Yeah, painted table hue in. 
Oh, let's go there. 

1179
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:05,720
He was telling Alf they're 
supposed to be learning verbal 

1180
00:56:05,720 --> 00:56:09,840
commands, but Alf is kind of 
already leveraging his position,

1181
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,600
but not for anything serious, 
just to have a little extra fun,

1182
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:14,320
which I think that's kind of 
funny. 

1183
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,720
He's basically like testing the 
limits of how in trouble he can 

1184
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:18,240
get. 
There's a certain, like, 

1185
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:22,520
realistic cunning to this. 
Like he knows it's like wisdom 

1186
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:24,360
amended and immaturity rolled 
into one. 

1187
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:25,880
He knows that he's got leeway 
now. 

1188
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,960
They're not just going to 
execute him for being rude like 

1189
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,880
as as they would have for being 
when he was just a commoner, 

1190
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:33,520
right? 
Like that you will get executed 

1191
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:37,200
for just rudeness to a Lord when
he was who he used to be. 

1192
00:56:37,240 --> 00:56:41,240
But now he's a dragon rider. 
He's got a lot more leverage. 

1193
00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:43,320
And like a young person, he's 
kind of testing those 

1194
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:44,720
boundaries. 
Like what can I get away with? 

1195
00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:48,160
What not, you know, which is 
that's why it's like immaturity,

1196
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,760
because it's like, dude, you've 
got this position of power now 

1197
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,640
and all you're doing is it just 
to see how many noses you can 

1198
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,160
tweak and how much, how many 
little birds you can eat. 

1199
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,280
Like that's, that's very 
unambitious. 

1200
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,040
It's, it's like your ambition is
to just kind of see how much of 

1201
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,360
A jerk I can be and how, how you
know, like that. 

1202
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,440
But that makes him kind of very 
interesting character here. 

1203
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,400
Like this is just a a a real 
wrench in the system. 

1204
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,920
These nobles don't know what to 
do with this guy and even the 

1205
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,120
other dragon tease don't know 
what to do with this guy. 

1206
00:57:15,240 --> 00:57:20,400
Hugh is like he's still thinking
of himself as a commoner. 

1207
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,600
He's still the fish out of water
in in a way he has adjusted less

1208
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,840
than ulf has, which I think is 
kind of interesting. 

1209
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:29,960
Hugh is like, I don't want to 
waste my new found status on 

1210
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,920
being a drunk uncle, but he's 
not leveraging at all. 

1211
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,520
He's just, you know, he's kind 
of apologizing for ulf which he 

1212
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,040
doesn't have to do. 
He's Ulf doesn't have any, 

1213
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:42,000
doesn't reflect on him directly.
He might indirectly. 

1214
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:43,920
Though he might. 
Indirectly, yeah, He. 

1215
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,160
He sees how Chase is getting mad
at him. 

1216
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:47,360
He doesn't want to be lumped in 
with him. 

1217
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:48,760
You. 
Know yeah, where whereas Adam is

1218
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,640
just like, I don't I don't have 
anything to do with that guy 

1219
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:55,800
Like he doesn't I got he's 
nothing nothing like me. 

1220
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,520
And so that's kind of how I 
looked at it Like there's Alf. 

1221
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,520
Hugh is apologizing for Alf, 
while Adam is just like keeping 

1222
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:04,120
his distance like putting a 
distance between them. 

1223
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:10,720
And so they're they're all 
having and they're they all had 

1224
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:12,480
ambitions or dreams. 
Maybe weren't even maybe 

1225
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,800
ambition isn't even the right 
word because it's where they are

1226
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:16,960
in life now is a place they 
could have only dreamed of. 

1227
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,240
They never could have really 
expected to be here. 

1228
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,000
No, no ambition amount of 
ambition would have gotten them 

1229
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:25,000
to this place. 
So the social status and power 

1230
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:28,600
they have is immense, but it's 
hard to quantify or or even 

1231
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,800
qualify. 
Like it's on completely new. 

1232
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:35,400
There has never been bastard 
dragon riders, never been these 

1233
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:36,760
lowborn drag. 
Well, they have been bastard 

1234
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:37,840
dragon riders. 
Chase's one. 

1235
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,120
They've never been lowborn 
bastard dragon riders before. 

1236
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:44,680
And yeah, like Rainier or later 
is going to offer them 

1237
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:48,000
knighthood and that seems like 
they could do better than that 

1238
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:49,480
maybe. 
But you know, it's a start. 

1239
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:54,040
So it's a bit of a red flag 
though, for all things are going

1240
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,680
to his head a little bit. 
And you know, it's we get that 

1241
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,960
comedic relief of he lives here,
you know, like the Prince. 

1242
00:58:59,960 --> 00:59:01,840
So imagine that he's like he 
lives here. 

1243
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:03,280
This is his castle. 
Of course. 

1244
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:04,600
What do you mean? 
Imagine that? 

1245
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,760
And Alf kind of puts his foot in
his mouth here because he 

1246
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:12,720
doesn't know just how upset Jace
is. 

1247
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,680
Jace doesn't like being compared
to them. 

1248
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:19,040
He doesn't like how they 
threaten his station and Alf 

1249
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:21,560
just says all these things. 
He's like, we're so alike. 

1250
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,720
Well, your hair is as dark as 
they say, gives them a hug, says

1251
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:26,720
we're cut from the same cloth. 
That's like these are like all 

1252
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:28,680
the things Jace is completely 
anxious about. 

1253
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,240
And you know, all of us. 
No idea how how much he's 

1254
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:32,960
putting off Jace. 
He's like, you think you're 

1255
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:35,680
being friends with this guy and 
you're just making it worse. 

1256
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,440
So. 
I've really gone back and forth 

1257
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:43,000
on my interpretation of ulf's 
vibe during this scene, you 

1258
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:47,920
know, because I first thought he
was just purely earnest, that he

1259
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:51,600
just totally fumbling through 
it, foot in his mouth, you know,

1260
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:55,760
he had no clue. 
I think after a few watches, I 

1261
00:59:55,760 --> 01:00:00,240
think he knew that this was 
razzing, that this was trolling 

1262
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,080
Jace. 
I think he underestimated how 

1263
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,920
much of an enemy he was making 
by doing it. 

1264
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:08,080
I think he thought, like, I'm 
going to tweak the nose of this 

1265
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:10,200
noble. 
Maybe he'll warm to me. 

1266
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,000
This is how you make friends. 
You know the boys, we give each 

1267
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,480
other a hard time. 
This is funny, right? 

1268
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:19,600
Like, I, I think he, he was, I 
don't think he was totally 

1269
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,520
clueless to the fact that Jace 
was going to be bothered by 

1270
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:26,880
that, but I think he totally 
didn't realize that Jace hates 

1271
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:29,320
his guts. 
Now I've gone back and forth. 

1272
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:33,160
I've been thinking he's a total 
oaf who's totally clueless, 

1273
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,800
thinking he knows and he is 
messing with him. 

1274
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,640
Because he said who? 
Who like, whose business is it, 

1275
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:41,600
boy? 
And then Alf goes, Alf, he goes,

1276
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:43,480
that's the Prince. 
And he stands up like as if. 

1277
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:44,400
He's here. 
Imagine that. 

1278
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,000
Like that's like, who could be 
honestly serious about like, 

1279
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,600
imagine the Prince lives here. 
I think he's joking. 

1280
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:51,600
Well, that part I think he's 
joking about, but I don't think 

1281
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,600
he was joking about not knowing 
who he was. 

1282
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,280
Like I think he, like he knows 
the dark hair. 

1283
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:59,160
He knows who my point is. 
He knows who just Sarah's 

1284
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:02,480
Valerian is, the Prince who 
doesn't like his heritage and 

1285
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,280
his dark hair at any point that 
he's talking to him. 

1286
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,320
I think he knows his identity, 
his persona, you know what I 

1287
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:10,160
mean? 
Like he doesn't think Jacerys 

1288
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:13,560
Valerian loves his dark hair and
rumoured bastardy. 

1289
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:15,360
I don't think he thinks that of 
Jace. 

1290
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,440
Sure, that's my point. 
He knows him as a person. 

1291
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:23,120
Yeah, I think he may not have 
known who the the person that is

1292
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:24,720
that walked in was Jace, the 
Prince. 

1293
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:28,840
He may not, but I think when he 
realized it, if not before. 

1294
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:32,160
He continued to tweak, I think. 
That he is, and we're cut from 

1295
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:34,640
the same clause then. 
I agree like that's what I 

1296
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:36,160
started by saying. 
I said he's tweaking him on 

1297
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:38,240
purpose but I just. 
I only thing I'm disagreeing 

1298
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:39,720
with is that he didn't recognize
him. 

1299
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:41,840
He didn't know who he was until 
you told him. 

1300
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:43,120
That's the only thing I disagree
with. 

1301
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:45,600
Otherwise IA 100% agree. 
With what I think again, he's 

1302
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:47,640
he's totally miscalculated here 
though. 

1303
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:49,400
I agree with that too. 
He tweaked. 

1304
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:51,880
He went too far. 
He tweaked too too hard, too 

1305
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:55,040
much meth. 
And add adding to it two other 

1306
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,000
factors. 
One, that sharp point just got 

1307
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,040
burned down. 
So this is like a somber moment.

1308
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:00,480
He just couldn't have known 
that, right? 

1309
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,680
Yeah, Jace was already a react. 
You're right. 

1310
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:04,520
Jace was reacting to that. 
And how is all supposed to know 

1311
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:05,960
that this horrible thing just 
happened? 

1312
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,400
And also Ultimate has a point. 
He's like, look, we're about to 

1313
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:10,400
all go into war. 
Let me have a little. 

1314
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,720
Let me enjoy the good life. 
I might not be. 

1315
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,640
I might be dead in a few weeks. 
You know, it's a very good 

1316
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:17,760
point, that point. 
I'm totally with Alphon. 

1317
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,320
Yeah. 
You might be with Alphon that, 

1318
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:23,360
but you might not say that in 
front of the Prince, at least 

1319
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:25,080
not in that way. 
And he didn't realize the Prince

1320
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:26,760
was overhearing that. 
Yeah, I agree. 

1321
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:28,920
Yeah, that that I wouldn't have 
said those things to the with 

1322
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,120
the Prince in in your shot. 
Yeah. 

1323
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:34,120
As the Prince, as Jace, I 
wouldn't have told my new dragon

1324
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:37,680
riders, oh, look at this awful 
thing that's just becoming a 

1325
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:39,600
little angry. 
Like that was obviously Jace 

1326
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:43,160
losing his temper, being 
inappropriate with them, not 

1327
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:46,080
doing something conducive to 
getting them hyped up to go into

1328
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:49,840
battle at all. 
Yep, I agree and this is all 

1329
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:53,440
pales in comparison to the 
biggest and darkest shift of 

1330
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:54,760
all. 
This actually comes. 

1331
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:56,960
This actually moment comes a 
little later, but I want to 

1332
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:00,560
bring it up now. 
When Rainiera, the plant tells 

1333
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:03,000
them the plan is to just burn 
Old Town Atlantis port, which 

1334
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:06,040
are two, the second and third 
largest population center in the

1335
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:08,920
entire continent. 
Now, maybe not the entire 

1336
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:10,840
cities, but it's not clear 
still. 

1337
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:13,880
That's like, whoa. 
Now part of this is like you 

1338
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:15,120
said, Sean, part of this is 
strategy. 

1339
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:17,520
She doesn't have a land army. 
When she makes this plan, she's 

1340
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,840
like, well, we have our 
advantage is Dragons. 

1341
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:21,640
Let's use that. 
That's where we can. 

1342
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:23,600
That's where our advantage is. 
Let's make use of it. 

1343
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:26,160
They're making use of their Navy
at sea blockade, blah, blah, 

1344
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,640
blah. 
They don't have a land army, at 

1345
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,680
least until later in the episode
she finds out actually, you do 

1346
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:33,520
have a land army. 
So hopefully this changes her 

1347
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:35,680
mind on this burning of Old Town
Atlanta sport plan. 

1348
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,880
But at the moment, she's like, 
well, this is what we can do. 

1349
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:41,800
Mazaria, as we'll see later, 
Mazaria is going to kind of 

1350
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:45,760
encourage her to it in Missouri,
but she's also kind of wavering.

1351
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,400
But we'll come back to that when
that scene actually occurs. 

1352
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:53,120
Those are two of the biggest 
population centers, but there 

1353
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:55,440
are also ports there. 
It is also possible. 

1354
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:58,400
I mean it would still be 
devastating and and lots of 

1355
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:02,200
innocent people would die, but 
she could just burn the ports 

1356
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:03,000
and the ships of. 
Those. 

1357
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,160
That's true, yeah. 
And not level the city's the 

1358
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,120
entire population. 
And that would still be 

1359
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:10,960
crippling to their war efforts 
and to morale and send the 

1360
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:13,160
message, hey, look what we can 
do. 

1361
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:15,000
Veigar can't be everyone at 
once. 

1362
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,000
On and on. 
I hope that that would be part 

1363
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:20,760
of her plan too. 
Yeah, I could see that, and I 

1364
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:24,880
hope that's what she meant by 
just disabling them militarily. 

1365
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,960
Yeah, 'cause that is that would 
probably be pretty effective. 

1366
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,960
And burning everything would 
look make her look like a 

1367
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:35,040
monster, and that wouldn't 
exactly win people to her 'cause

1368
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:39,920
so, yeah. 
Moving on, Bogsy says ulf had 

1369
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:43,720
more little birds than virus. 
Yes, he said, Yeah, Yeah. 

1370
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:45,920
A little more on that when we 
get to the dinner scene, but 

1371
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,120
yes, he did. 
He had a lot of little birds. 

1372
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:51,760
Driftmark. 
Let's go to Driftmark. 

1373
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:56,280
Rainiera and Corlis discuss Adam
and Corlis's ship, and they 

1374
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,360
just. 
Yeah, meaning Adam and Corlis's 

1375
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:03,600
ship, not Adam and Corlis's 
jointly owned ship, Adam. 

1376
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:05,280
He says Adam is a man of 
integrity. 

1377
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,600
He says it's reported to me that
Adam is a man of integrity. 

1378
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:10,080
And then kind of under the 
radar, he says, I don't know the

1379
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:13,120
man to my regret. 
Like, Oh yeah, To your regret, 

1380
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:14,440
huh? 
Yeah, 'cause he's your son. 

1381
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:16,600
Yeah, Yeah. 
So that's a very loaded 

1382
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:19,240
statement that Rainier has no 
idea what he's talking about, 

1383
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:22,240
but it's certainly us watchers 
caught that probably. 

1384
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:26,000
You know, I wonder what the age 
gap is between Allen and Adam, 

1385
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:29,440
because it obviously points to, 
like, the idea of it had Adam. 

1386
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:32,600
I mean, yeah, yeah, he had Allen
and then came back years later 

1387
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:36,160
and slept with her mother again,
got her pregnant again. 

1388
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:37,760
Do we think? 
The gap is that bad. 

1389
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:39,080
Huh. 
Do we think the gap is that 

1390
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:40,840
large? 
I think so because it's implied 

1391
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:44,160
that Allen kind of raised him. 
Well, sure, but he could be 

1392
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:47,000
three or, you know, he could 
just be like two years older to.

1393
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:51,960
Me, I would guess he's like as 
much as 10, as little as five, 

1394
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:54,680
but I would guess he's at least 
five years older. 

1395
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,440
Would be my my gay. 
Pinned it smaller, but I don't 

1396
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:00,640
have a lot of reason for that. 
But yeah, anyway, maybe they'll 

1397
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:04,080
let us know at some point. 
So this is a big character shift

1398
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:07,120
for him in an episode where a 
lot of people have shifted 

1399
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:10,360
mostly for the better. 
Allison shifted for the better. 

1400
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:11,880
Corliss is shifting for the 
better. 

1401
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:14,960
He has more shifting to do. 
Damon shifted for the better, 

1402
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:17,800
big time. 
Rainier is not shifting for the 

1403
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:19,080
better. 
Rainier is shifting to the 

1404
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:22,560
worse, and a few people are 
encouraging her to that, but 

1405
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:27,440
we'll talk about that later. 
Corliss is eschewing his former 

1406
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:31,200
self of realizing some of the 
the criticisms that were levied 

1407
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:35,520
to him were accurate. 
And the main one was that he was

1408
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:36,880
pretty selfish. 
He was mostly about his own 

1409
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,080
glory. 
Naming the ship after himself. 

1410
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:40,640
Who does that? 
Who names your ship after 

1411
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:41,400
yourself? 
Right. 

1412
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:44,720
Like the s s Aziz. 
Like, I'm not doing that. 

1413
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:47,120
Come on. 
The s s Sean. 

1414
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:50,200
You know, I kind of like the s s
Sean. 

1415
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:51,440
It sounds like stuttering, 
though. 

1416
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,800
It's this Sean. 
Yeah. 

1417
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:55,040
I. 
Think you'd be better off using 

1418
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:57,360
pink in your ship? 
Yeah, the Sean snake. 

1419
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:58,920
There we go. 
The sea snake, the Sean snake, 

1420
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:01,000
Just throw an N in there and it 
all works. 

1421
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:02,760
I've done that a lot, a million 
times. 

1422
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:04,560
The S S dance. 
The s s dance. 

1423
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:06,480
I like that I've done that so 
many times. 

1424
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:08,760
By the way, y'all when typing 
our notes, I'll type the Shawn 

1425
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:11,760
snake by accident to do it 
again. 

1426
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:17,760
So he's realizing that that he 
was selfish even and he says all

1427
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:21,240
I do now I do for her. 
You know cuts a Rainier. 

1428
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:23,880
She's that's why he named the 
ship the Queen who never was 

1429
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:25,880
renamed it from Sea Snake. 
You know, that's sweet and all, 

1430
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:28,040
but how about do something for 
your sons? 

1431
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:31,080
I'm saying yeah, you. 
Should probably appreciate that.

1432
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:33,640
Yes. 
Can I say two things about this 

1433
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:37,600
One, it's kind of a weird like 
for Rainier, like I would feel 

1434
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:40,640
weird about the name the queen 
who never was like as the queen 

1435
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:44,400
who's trying to be like that. 
Would it's a kind of a loaded 

1436
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:45,400
name. 
I don't know. 

1437
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:47,440
I would feel awkward, frankly, a
little bit. 

1438
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:51,800
But also I just want to take 
this moment to say I hate the 

1439
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:55,000
name of this episode. 
The Queen, whoever was I if 

1440
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:58,600
there's I don't think I've ever 
disliked in an episode titled of

1441
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:02,240
Game of Thrones or House of the 
Dragon more than I have disliked

1442
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:03,800
this time. 
Why do you hate it so much? 

1443
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,160
I just think it's it doesn't 
roll off the tongue, it's 

1444
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:08,200
clunky. 
What is it like the Queen, 

1445
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:11,000
whoever, What? 
Like it's just a weird title 

1446
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:11,800
like. 
Explain it to me. 

1447
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:13,880
I think it refers to Daenerys. 
Explain the meaning to me. 

1448
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:15,360
It's about Daenerys and Rainiera
I. 

1449
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:17,720
Think it refers to Daenerys 
because she's the queen that 

1450
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:19,800
they're all dreaming of, the 
future queen that they're all 

1451
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:21,040
dreaming. 
Of that's not even really like a

1452
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:24,359
turn of phrase, like who says 
whoever, queen, whoever was? 

1453
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:27,040
It's not even really like a a a.
Who Who is permanent? 

1454
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,920
It's the the one who's always 
there, who's who's eternal and 

1455
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:31,880
always. 
It's always been that way, yeah.

1456
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:37,319
Sounds clunky. 
So there's a, there's a little 

1457
01:08:37,319 --> 01:08:42,640
interesting minute here where 
we, we, we see a couple 

1458
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:46,000
different angles of it being 
brought up of dream fire, 

1459
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:47,760
Hellena's dragon. 
It's introduced a little bit in 

1460
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:49,960
the scene to which helps set up 
the future scenes. 

1461
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:54,840
Mentioning dream fire even 
Rainier is basically like dream 

1462
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:56,680
fire. 
Like she hadn't forgotten the 

1463
01:08:56,680 --> 01:09:00,000
dream fire existed, she just 
didn't think she mattered 

1464
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:04,399
because Elena doesn't like to 
fly and and and of course he's 

1465
01:09:04,399 --> 01:09:06,399
like well don't be so sure that 
she won't be compelled. 

1466
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:09,080
Case in point, Heyman just 
trying to compel her. 

1467
01:09:09,319 --> 01:09:12,240
It isn't working, but Coralise 
isn't wrong to consider the 

1468
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:16,040
idea. 
So this is another like to me, 

1469
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:19,359
this is Corliss is a good hand. 
He thinks of things like this, 

1470
01:09:19,359 --> 01:09:21,520
things that he's experienced, 
he's been around more. 

1471
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:24,880
He's a more aware he's older. 
You know, he's he's especially 

1472
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:27,520
military matters. 
Something I wanted to say 

1473
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:29,800
earlier about that scene with 
Loris and Aegon. 

1474
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:33,359
He warned Aegon that, you know, 
what do you do with seven 

1475
01:09:33,359 --> 01:09:35,720
Dragons show up? 
And in my mind, it would be 

1476
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:37,120
funny that someone might correct
him. 

1477
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:39,880
It's like, well, six. 
You can't really count Damon. 

1478
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:43,040
But by the, by the end of this 
episode, like, well, eight, 

1479
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:45,439
'cause there's Damon and Lana's 
going to get one too. 

1480
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:48,160
Or not. 
Lana, Rayla, Rayna. 

1481
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:49,520
Yeah. 
Yeah, you're right, That is the 

1482
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:50,760
difference. 
Yeah, 'cause that's what I was 

1483
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:54,320
going to bring up. 
Like Corliss says 6 Dragons and 

1484
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:56,520
but but Laurie says 7 Dragons 
and some people like. 

1485
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:58,360
Why was it a discrepancy? 
Yes, Lauris was counting 

1486
01:09:58,360 --> 01:09:59,800
Coraxes, you're absolutely 
right. 

1487
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:02,840
Whereas Rainier, whereas Corliss
was not good catch. 

1488
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,480
So neither of them are counting 
the two baby Dragons to rack 

1489
01:10:05,480 --> 01:10:07,200
season Stormcloud. 
But Fairpoint, they're not. 

1490
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:09,480
They're they're useless in 
military right now. 

1491
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:13,120
So then we cut over to 
Harrenhal. 

1492
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:14,960
This is our first Harrenhal 
scene of the episode. 

1493
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:19,840
We have Damon sort of amongst 
the troops doing very I love 

1494
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:22,280
this little opening scene where 
he's like, I don't actually have

1495
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:24,160
any sheep left, but we got a lot
of pigs. 

1496
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:26,000
Do Dragons eat pigs? 
Corrects. 

1497
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,760
He prefers pigs. 
He loves eating cops, even 

1498
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:31,120
though Damon's a cop #1 cop I 
don't know. 

1499
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:33,960
Also, this is Damon doing a walk
and talk. 

1500
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:36,240
Yeah, there's a couple of walk 
and talk in this episode. 

1501
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:37,920
Yeah, Amon does a walk and talk 
later. 

1502
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:39,480
Yeah, you're right. 
Just some walk and talk here. 

1503
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:43,320
So that's a pretty cool scene 
there. 

1504
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:45,760
You can see like they're doing 
stuff for getting army ready. 

1505
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,320
You know, that makes sense. 
And then Alfred Broom arrives 

1506
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:50,480
and it's like Alfred Broom is 
here to see you and he goes. 

1507
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,160
Interesting. 
Yeah. 

1508
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:57,360
I wonder if he thought that it 
was interesting that Raniera 

1509
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:01,120
sent a messenger or that Alfred 
Broome was the messenger that 

1510
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:02,560
she sent. 
What? 

1511
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:04,080
What house is he from, by the 
way? 

1512
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:06,760
Klaus Broome? 
Who? 

1513
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:08,320
Where are they? 
What's their banner? 

1514
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:09,880
Who are they? 
They're in the Crown lands. 

1515
01:11:10,480 --> 01:11:13,200
OK. 
Yeah, yeah, Crown lands pretty 

1516
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:19,120
sure so which is usually they're
loyal to the the Crown, but the 

1517
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:22,520
Crown is divided right now. 
So we don't know why he's like, 

1518
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:24,080
he's like, I would never support
the Hightowers. 

1519
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:27,560
We don't know why what his 
grievance is, but. 

1520
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:31,600
He said it a couple times too, 
but I'm starting to not believe 

1521
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:33,080
it. 
Well, he, he not only did he say

1522
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:34,920
it, but Ray Nearest said it was 
like, I know you would never 

1523
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:37,280
support the Hightowers. 
He's like, not where I live, you

1524
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:38,320
know? 
So yeah, it's been pretty, 

1525
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:40,480
pretty clear, but not the 
reasoning behind. 

1526
01:11:40,480 --> 01:11:42,680
It he hates redheads, he. 
Hates redheads. 

1527
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:46,240
He hates high towers. 
He's like, no, low towers only, 

1528
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:49,880
yeah. 
I wonder if Damon knew that this

1529
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:56,040
guy was maybe a little sexist or
a thorn in in Rainier's side. 

1530
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:58,240
I wonder if he thought 
interesting she found a way to 

1531
01:11:58,240 --> 01:11:59,680
get rid of. 
Him, I wonder. 

1532
01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:01,760
What Damon thought about that. 
Yeah, I think, yeah. 

1533
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:03,560
Yeah, I agree with you. 
There's probably multiple things

1534
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:04,640
in mind. 
That sounds like the kind of 

1535
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:06,440
thing you say when there could 
be multiple reasons for 

1536
01:12:06,440 --> 01:12:08,160
something is you just like 
summarize. 

1537
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:09,560
It was like, oh, that's 
interesting because there's a 

1538
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:11,680
lot of possibilities here as to 
why she could have done that, as

1539
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:14,240
you just very well explained. 
Good take, Sean. 

1540
01:12:14,480 --> 01:12:18,080
So then so they'd go outside to 
have a conversation. 

1541
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:20,280
And as you said, as we talked 
about earlier, there's this the 

1542
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:23,200
voice over and he's like, 
traitor, right? 

1543
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:26,480
I was trying so hard to figure 
out where that voice came from. 

1544
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:28,800
But yeah, I can't recognize the 
voice. 

1545
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:31,000
It's when you hear one word, 
it's hard to make out the voice.

1546
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:34,160
It was a male voice, I guess. 
But even that wasn't like super 

1547
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:35,760
clear. 
Yeah, I wouldn't have known that

1548
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:37,520
it said traitor if not for the 
subtitle. 

1549
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:40,760
I just heard a sort of a whisper
of sorts, you know? 

1550
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:42,800
You know, man, a theory of sound
in a background. 

1551
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:45,800
They reacted, but I didn't know 
that it was a a specific word 

1552
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:48,720
spoken right. 
It's pretty interesting. 

1553
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:51,640
And and so he's trying to 
convince Damon to turn on 

1554
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:54,560
Rainier to be a king or not to 
turn on her, but to put himself 

1555
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:56,960
above her. 
But Alfred is no match for the 

1556
01:12:56,960 --> 01:13:00,440
old gods because Damon's kind of
been, they've been working on 

1557
01:13:00,440 --> 01:13:02,320
him this whole time with Alice 
and everything. 

1558
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:04,960
And then just a little if, if 
Roman gotten there earlier, 

1559
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:08,880
maybe he could have pulled this 
off, but it's too late. 

1560
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:12,040
They, the old gods want Damon to
play his part. 

1561
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:14,200
And it's a big part. 
But as we learn, it's not the 

1562
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:16,200
part, which I suppose we already
knew. 

1563
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:19,240
But he needed to know that Sir 
Simon overhears this 

1564
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:20,880
conversation. 
Since Damon doesn't just 

1565
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:26,040
outright reject him, Sir Simon 
fears the worst fairpoint and. 

1566
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:27,200
You know what this reminded me 
of? 

1567
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:31,840
That's C where Tyrion sees Danny
and John, the boat sex scene. 

1568
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:34,840
You know it's like the framing 
of it of like this. 

1569
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:37,000
Anyways, I'm like I I love Simon
snooping. 

1570
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:40,200
Wow that's hilarious. 
Great catch. 

1571
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:43,960
That is really funny. 
Boat sex has so many good 

1572
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:48,880
memories, not of not of the 
quality of the season, but of 

1573
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:55,480
the humor of that moment. 
Look for Lex in the Super chat. 

1574
01:13:55,480 --> 01:13:57,760
Says I'm behind the stream 
watching at 1.35 X. 

1575
01:13:57,760 --> 01:13:59,440
But in case I don't catch up, I 
wanted to thank you for your 

1576
01:13:59,440 --> 01:14:01,080
amazing coverage and sorry I 
missed the pure event. 

1577
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:03,240
Thank all y'all. 
As they say in the South, yes 

1578
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:07,520
all y'all, it's a good word, the
Red Keep yes, there's Ashaya's 

1579
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:11,000
mentioning the other walk and 
talk, which I even put it in the

1580
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:12,880
notes that. 
Way as I predicted when he got 

1581
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:15,680
rid of Council Ball, that soon 
would be the end of tedious 

1582
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:19,640
meetings in the beginning of a 
of Amon's West Wing Walk and 

1583
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:21,320
Talk era. 
You called it. 

1584
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:25,880
You did well, Point Ashaya. 
Iron Rod informs him how Rainier

1585
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:27,240
got her dragon. 
I was like, well, they just 

1586
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:29,800
sailed up and, you know, asked 
for Targaryen blood. 

1587
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:33,040
He's like, lock down the boats. 
Like, bro, it's too late. 

1588
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:34,680
Like what are they? 
You think they're still looking 

1589
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:35,880
for dragon riders? 
Like they don't. 

1590
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:38,520
I don't think they have any 
Dragons left to find riders for.

1591
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:40,680
So it's kind of a so it's like 
kind of a thoughtless and 

1592
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:42,440
mindless order. 
He's just like kind of kind of a

1593
01:14:42,440 --> 01:14:44,080
version of lashing out like you 
did before. 

1594
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:47,720
Iron Rod is like, Are you sure? 
Like that doesn't seem like the 

1595
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:50,360
smart response, like this is 
just going to make things worse.

1596
01:14:50,480 --> 01:14:52,080
He's like, well, we all have to 
make sacrifices. 

1597
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:56,080
It's like, oh this is not good. 
Where I love to hate Eamonn, 

1598
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:58,360
Where I'm like, Yep, Yep, he's 
not a good ruler, he's not a 

1599
01:14:58,360 --> 01:15:00,120
good man. 
Yeah, he's just not good. 

1600
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:02,360
He was. 
Failed by his culture and by his

1601
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:05,440
family, but he is a failure. 
He sucks. 

1602
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:08,320
And a lot of this is fear he's 
losing now, but he doesn't want 

1603
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:11,000
to like show that he's got to 
act tough. 

1604
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:12,840
I guess. 
I mean, is that part of how you 

1605
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:14,840
interpret this, Sean? 
Or is it just Do you have other 

1606
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:18,240
other thoughts and and instincts
here? 

1607
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:21,000
Yeah, I think it's maybe, I 
don't know what word of 

1608
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,600
aloofness, like I think he's 
just in his ivory tower. 

1609
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:26,440
He just doesn't understand the 
effects this will have in the 

1610
01:15:26,440 --> 01:15:28,760
population. 
He's just not thinking ahead. 

1611
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:32,080
It's just on a lot of levels 
it's, I think it's a mistake. 

1612
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:35,360
You're right, he it does speak 
to how he is up in an ivory 

1613
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:38,480
tower, but I think it also 
speaks to just a general 

1614
01:15:38,480 --> 01:15:42,160
callousness and, and youth that 
he is not thinking forward. 

1615
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:44,600
Like it's, I think it's multiple
reasons that that's making him 

1616
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:46,800
make this bad decision. 
And I think also the fact that 

1617
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:49,440
he just doesn't want to face it.
Like I think he doesn't want to 

1618
01:15:49,440 --> 01:15:53,560
face head on that things are 
looking dire for him and his 

1619
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:55,400
side, right. 
So like if you have to actually 

1620
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:57,920
address the issues, then you 
have to face that. 

1621
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:00,800
It's a fairpoint. 
It's not far from the same thing

1622
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:05,600
that Aegon did, right? 
A rat catcher killed my son. 

1623
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:09,920
Kill all the rat catchers. 
The small folk are going off to 

1624
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:12,920
help Rainier now. 
All right, punish all the small 

1625
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:14,400
folk. 
They, they're just like this 

1626
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:18,480
blind mass that you just treat 
as one and don't realize they 

1627
01:16:18,480 --> 01:16:21,680
all have different motivations 
and personalities and needs and 

1628
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:24,760
and power as a whole. 
When you if you're going to 

1629
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:27,680
treat them as a whole poorly, 
they're going to treat you as a 

1630
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:30,440
whole poorly. 
Yeah, as individuals, they can't

1631
01:16:30,440 --> 01:16:32,840
do much to you, but as a whole, 
they could potentially do quite 

1632
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:35,600
a bit. 
As Mushroom said, in Fire and 

1633
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:41,000
Blood, you know, 1000 rats can 
take down a lion, he said. 

1634
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:42,480
And he said he's seen it, which 
like, really? 

1635
01:16:42,480 --> 01:16:46,120
He's like, yeah. 
And and Fleabottom, they show 

1636
01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:49,440
all sorts of weird stuff and 
weird shows. 

1637
01:16:49,440 --> 01:16:53,520
And yeah. 
Anyway, so he goes to find 

1638
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:58,640
Helena and he finds her with 
Allison, and she's telling 

1639
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:03,560
Allison that she was happier 
before she was queen and. 

1640
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:06,960
I know Allison is in a rush 
here, like she needs to like 

1641
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:10,720
tell Helena what's up, but like,
can't you just take one moment 

1642
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:13,440
and be like, me too, Helena? 
Like I felt the same way. 

1643
01:17:13,440 --> 01:17:15,800
You're not alone. 
Or just just just. 

1644
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:18,000
Her conditioning is so heavy 
you. 

1645
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:19,920
Know like Allison agrees with 
her. 

1646
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:22,720
You know, Allison was happier 
before she was queen. 

1647
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:25,880
If she I I just wish that she 
had just said me too just 

1648
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:28,480
something. 
But again, I understand that the

1649
01:17:28,480 --> 01:17:31,960
reason she doesn't say anything 
is because she has to tell her 

1650
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:33,880
immediately. 
Like, what if we got like and 

1651
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:36,480
she hardly has any time to have 
this conversation before Aymond 

1652
01:17:36,480 --> 01:17:38,720
comes in, right? 
Yeah, they don't get to finish 

1653
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:39,160
it. 
You're right. 

1654
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:40,760
She says she's happy before the 
1st Queen. 

1655
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:42,960
Allison says hey, what if we run
off together and Helena's like 

1656
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:45,400
where? 
And then Aymond arrives so 

1657
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:48,240
there's no answer. 
And then even this, it comes up 

1658
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:50,400
a little bit later and and 
Allison still doesn't have an 

1659
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:52,360
answer for where maybe she 
doesn't want to say. 

1660
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:55,840
Helena's kind of smiling when 
she's thinking about like, the 

1661
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:58,080
idea you know, of, like, where 
would she go? 

1662
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:00,920
Like as she asks her, she seems 
a little pleased with the idea. 

1663
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:04,560
But it makes me think that I 
can't help but feel that as some

1664
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:10,520
prophet dreamer, Helena has to 
know whether she goes to SOS 

1665
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:13,480
ever or not. 
Maybe she would know something 

1666
01:18:13,480 --> 01:18:14,240
about that. 
I don't know. 

1667
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:18,200
I don't know about that because 
I don't, you know, she can't see

1668
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:19,880
a lot of you know, she can't see
everything. 

1669
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:25,200
She may know that she's in some 
foreign, strange place and she 

1670
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:27,360
doesn't know what it is. 
She may have had this vision and

1671
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:29,760
now Allison's asking her, do you
want to go somewhere? 

1672
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:32,560
She's not necessarily asking 
Allison, Oh, where do you want 

1673
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:34,520
to go? 
She's asking Allison, oh, where 

1674
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:36,040
is it? 
I've been seeing in my dreams. 

1675
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:37,840
That might be the question. 
Does that make sense? 

1676
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:40,600
Yeah, I guess it makes sense. 
I I don't see it that way 

1677
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:44,440
because she's not speaking in 
the she often speaks in the past

1678
01:18:44,440 --> 01:18:47,120
or the OR or the future, and 
she's speaking in the present 

1679
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:49,200
tense for this one. 
Where would we go? 

1680
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:53,240
But anyway, it's all possible 
with Helena. 

1681
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:57,360
But I, I interpreted this more 
as she's interpreting. 

1682
01:18:57,360 --> 01:18:59,600
She sees a lot of these big 
events, but that doesn't mean 

1683
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:01,480
she's seeing just everything, 
you know, she's seeing like the 

1684
01:19:01,480 --> 01:19:05,520
big epic events. 
I don't think she said a single 

1685
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:08,080
thing about herself. 
We know she's seen things that 

1686
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:10,480
are referred to her, like she 
sewed her own son's shroud ahead

1687
01:19:10,480 --> 01:19:13,920
of time apparently. 
But I don't know that she's 

1688
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,520
seeing everything else. 
She would be some of these 

1689
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:18,280
questions she wouldn't even ask 
in the 1st place. 

1690
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:20,760
You know she would already know.
Like I said, she would already 

1691
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:21,760
know. 
Well, she's like, I know we're 

1692
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:23,520
not going overseas. 
That's not going to happen. 

1693
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:26,880
Mom, I have seen the future or 
she knows exactly where they 

1694
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:28,600
are. 
You know, one thing I wondered 

1695
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:34,080
about this scene, aside from 
Helena's potential visions, is I

1696
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:36,760
think Allison's got a plan. 
I think you know, when she was 

1697
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:39,480
floating in the lake last 
episode, staring in the sky and 

1698
01:19:39,480 --> 01:19:41,440
suddenly kind of came to him and
came back home. 

1699
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:45,080
I think she's been plotting some
stuff out and I think there 

1700
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:49,120
might be some if thens to her 
plan or maybe some changes she 

1701
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:52,880
didn't expect, like Renera have 
a new dragon riders and Eamon's 

1702
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:56,880
overreaction or whatever. 
But but I, I don't think this is

1703
01:19:56,880 --> 01:20:02,000
just a, a random conversation 
that that she's having. 

1704
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:05,040
I think she's got a plot. 
She's got a plan for taking 

1705
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:07,440
Helena somewhere. 
We see the plan right, 'cause I 

1706
01:20:07,480 --> 01:20:09,840
mean, we see her go to Rainier. 
Isn't that the plan? 

1707
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:13,600
Well, yes, I think she's got 
different parts to it. 

1708
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:16,720
And I think that the plan might 
have changed because when she 

1709
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:22,120
talks to Reneera, she says 
Helena will be queen, she'll be 

1710
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:23,680
in power, and she'll turn it 
over to you. 

1711
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:26,240
But if Allison gets Helena out 
of there, she can't do that. 

1712
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:28,200
No, no, no, no, Sean, you're 
misunderstanding. 

1713
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:29,160
Hold on. 
Let me cut in then. 

1714
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:33,920
She is saying Helena will be 
Queen when you arrive and then 

1715
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:36,320
Helena and I and Jahara will 
leave. 

1716
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:38,480
That's what she said. 
She said, yeah, yeah, I see. 

1717
01:20:38,480 --> 01:20:41,120
And then she and then out and 
Rainier was like, where will you

1718
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:42,320
go? 
And she didn't really answer. 

1719
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:45,880
So yeah, that's the idea. 
But so you're not. 

1720
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:49,640
I do agree with you that she's 
working through a plan here, and

1721
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:54,560
it involves saving Helena and 
Jara and just saying, Oh well, I

1722
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:56,520
can't, I can't necessarily save 
my sons. 

1723
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:58,640
Now, of course, when the final 
scene begins, she's still trying

1724
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:01,000
to find a way to save Aegon, but
she kind of concedes that no, I 

1725
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:03,000
can't do that either. 
So I think at this point she's 

1726
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:04,320
trying to save Aegon too. 
Yeah. 

1727
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:07,040
So yes, everyone that is her 
sacrificing Daron. 

1728
01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:09,800
Amen. 
And I think, as Aziz said, she 

1729
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:13,560
thinks Aegon is so broken that 
he could be saved. 

1730
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:17,000
But I, I get, I think just the 
whole time she's not thinking 

1731
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:19,160
that Daron and Amond will be 
spared. 

1732
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:21,120
I think that's that's the 
sacrifice. 

1733
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:25,200
Yeah, there's three sons for a 
son, or whatever it turns out to

1734
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:28,560
be. 
You know, on top of that, she's 

1735
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:30,280
probably written Kristen Koloff 
too. 

1736
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:33,240
He's probably going to die in 
battle or executed or whatever. 

1737
01:21:33,440 --> 01:21:36,960
Three sons and a lover, Yeah. 
The part she already knows is is

1738
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:40,280
Amon's plan, men's plan to go 
meet Cole in the field with with

1739
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:43,440
with Vegar. 
That's or he already knows that 

1740
01:21:43,440 --> 01:21:45,080
or she already knows that part 
because that was announced 

1741
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:51,000
council like episode one or two.
No 5 actually 5. 

1742
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:53,800
So yeah, just Monty Python. 
Yeah, right after Rooks Rest is 

1743
01:21:54,320 --> 01:22:00,520
is when that came up. 
So Eamon physically tries to 

1744
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:03,960
drag Elaine is like get on your 
dragon, we're going to war right

1745
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:05,000
now. 
What a strange thing. 

1746
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:07,280
Like I'm dragging you off to 
war, like literally dragging you

1747
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:09,720
off to war. 
And she's like slick at me. 

1748
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:12,400
Right, like how are you going to
force her once she gets on her 

1749
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:13,880
dragon? 
She burns you bro. 

1750
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:17,320
Yeah, like, you know, talk about
not thinking things through 

1751
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:19,920
like. 
Or she just flies off somewhere 

1752
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:21,920
else. 
Like how can you coordinate to 

1753
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:23,560
get her to do what you need in 
battle? 

1754
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:25,760
How are you going to get her to 
go where you want or breathe 

1755
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:27,400
fire from the dragon when you 
want just. 

1756
01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:31,600
He's desperate, he's desperate. 
I just want to give you credit, 

1757
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:34,960
whether you meant to or not, for
saying he's going to dragging 

1758
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:38,560
her off, dragging her away. 
That was not on purpose, but 

1759
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:43,560
I'll take credit anyway. 
So, and Amens justification is 

1760
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:46,560
here's like they've sinned 
against our birthright. 

1761
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:49,040
They gave them Dragons. 
You know, that's a sin. 

1762
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:51,280
It must be punished. 
And then it's like, well, I 

1763
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:53,000
don't want to do that. 
I don't want to burn anyone. 

1764
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:55,400
It's like, well, our wishes come
second place to survival and 

1765
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:56,760
victory. 
You know, it's like, well, 

1766
01:22:57,080 --> 01:23:00,520
clearly that's the only possible
thing we can do here. 

1767
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:02,440
And Allison's like, no, I'd 
rather lose, actually, 

1768
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:05,560
seriously, no, I'd rather lose 
rather than break her mind, like

1769
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:09,720
turn her into a monster or have 
her live in suffering the rest 

1770
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:12,120
of her life because she knows 
she killed all these people. 

1771
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:14,080
She would rather be dead than do
that. 

1772
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:16,240
So, so would I. 
You know, I'm I'm going to stand

1773
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:19,400
for her because she's not as 
articulate as as you are, Eamon.

1774
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:24,120
So I'm going to stand for her. 
And he's very put off here. 

1775
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:27,400
He's like his eye gets really 
severe and he doesn't cry, but 

1776
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:32,080
he does later. 
And she says she accuses him 

1777
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:33,960
again of just taking out his 
frustration and his 

1778
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:36,480
embarrassment on innocence since
it makes you feel strong, which 

1779
01:23:36,480 --> 01:23:39,080
may be strong wasn't the right 
thing to call him, but. 

1780
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:43,080
But still, she's right. 
She's 100% right that that's 

1781
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:45,080
that is what he does. 
We've seen it a lot of Times 

1782
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:46,920
Now. 
And I guess she's kind of given 

1783
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:49,760
up on trying to get him to stop 
that and just calls him out on 

1784
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:51,400
it instead. 
Yeah. 

1785
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:54,720
It has follow up when Eamonn and
Helena meet alone that that's 

1786
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:56,560
where the weightier moments 
happen, I suppose. 

1787
01:23:57,240 --> 01:23:58,280
So. 
Yes, exactly. 

1788
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:01,720
Let's talk about Cole and Gwaine
then Talk about a weighty scene.

1789
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:02,840
This was a big one. 
Yeah. 

1790
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:06,880
So we were really curious what 
was going to set Gwain off here,

1791
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:10,040
like looking at the trailer, 
like, what is why is Gwain so 

1792
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:11,120
mad? 
What is Chris? 

1793
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:14,720
Because we know Kristin's lines 
like his his Shakespearean 

1794
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:16,200
lines. 
And we're like, what is is this 

1795
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:17,920
going to upset him? 
Like why has he got his sword, 

1796
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:20,040
his neck? 
So it is over Allison, which 

1797
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:21,880
makes sense. 
Gwain. 

1798
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:25,960
So he loses the he he sees the 
kerchief and loses his temper. 

1799
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:28,560
He's like, that's my sister. 
You know, I could send you to 

1800
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:32,200
the wall and he's like, you 
could would stay in the 

1801
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:34,880
Hightower name for a generation 
because as usual, he's thinking 

1802
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:37,160
of he's thinking of Alice. 
And he's like, well, it's not 

1803
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:38,840
her fault. 
Like she didn't break any vows. 

1804
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:41,040
I broke vows. 
But she didn't, you know, she 

1805
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:42,960
was a widow when we slept 
together. 

1806
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:48,000
And and he's like, why don't you
just not, you know, have desire 

1807
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:49,880
for women, you know, like your 
other brothers do that. 

1808
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:54,200
And he's like, do they? 
There are a lot of Kristen's not

1809
01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:55,560
wrong. 
I'm sure some of them do. 

1810
01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:58,680
Some of them really are that 
disciplined, but a lot of them 

1811
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:01,840
are not. 
Not that this is a great excuse,

1812
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:05,360
but he's not wrong that a lot of
them do that. 

1813
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:11,240
I loved Kristen saying saying to
Gwain that Allison had saved his

1814
01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:15,240
life multiple times because this
was like this really brilliant 

1815
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:19,240
moment in which Gwain was forced
to like reckon with the idea 

1816
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:22,040
that his sister, who he doesn't 
know who's just kind of this 

1817
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:28,240
object to him of like female, 
you know, honor and chastity and

1818
01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:30,200
all of these things. 
Like she's not a person. 

1819
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:32,800
She's not a person to him really
right. 

1820
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:35,520
Like he is defending her honor 
without thinking about what 

1821
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:38,920
Allison wanted here. 
And so like when Kristen says 

1822
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:42,480
she saved my life twice, like 
Wayne, like really like you can.

1823
01:25:42,480 --> 01:25:45,840
And the actor Freddie Fox, you 
really see in his eyes, like him

1824
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:50,680
reeling with like, oh, wow. 
Like I, I totally miscalculated 

1825
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:54,040
what this relationship is, what 
this dynamic is, the very idea 

1826
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:57,320
that my my sister has saved a 
man's life twice. 

1827
01:25:57,320 --> 01:26:00,680
Like how can he even conceive of
how Allison could have ever 

1828
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:02,840
saved someone's life? 
I feel like that was so mind 

1829
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:04,560
blowing to him. 
I loved it. 

1830
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:07,120
Yeah, great Taga share. 
And I think this is where we get

1831
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:08,800
a little bit of a hint of a 
deleted scene. 

1832
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:11,600
He says he she saved me twice. 
One of we know that when he was 

1833
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:13,000
about to kill himself in front 
of the heart tree. 

1834
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:16,240
The other is from the headsman's
axe, which is presumably from 

1835
01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:19,040
when he pummeled Joffrey to 
death. 

1836
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:23,720
And it was only because of her 
intercession that Viserys spared

1837
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:26,960
him from execution, which we 
hinted at the time was like, 

1838
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:31,080
it's not hard to imagine that 
Allison got him off because 

1839
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:33,320
he's, well, I got him off. 
That's not what I meant. 

1840
01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:39,720
Got him cleared of charges 
because hey, Viserys is a 

1841
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:43,760
pushover B she wants Kristen 
Cole at her side. 

1842
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:45,440
He's her protector and her 
champion. 

1843
01:26:45,440 --> 01:26:46,840
So he she didn't want to lose 
that. 

1844
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:48,760
This is before they had a 
relationship, but she may have 

1845
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:51,480
already been attracted to him 
because I mean, look at him, you

1846
01:26:51,480 --> 01:26:54,360
know, and and vice versa 
because, you know, look at her. 

1847
01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:58,360
I mean, it's easy to see that. 
Part but I I wonder by the way, 

1848
01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:03,440
because Cole was very careful in
how he worded things that if he 

1849
01:27:03,440 --> 01:27:07,240
might have got Gawain to doubt 
whether or not they had actually

1850
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:10,840
had sexual relations, he never 
quite admitted to it. 

1851
01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:13,560
And I think that moment is 
saying she's saying my life wife

1852
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:17,000
might have been enough to 
justify what was clear emotions 

1853
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:19,240
between them, but maybe it 
wasn't romantic. 

1854
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:23,240
He he he brings up Sean that 
that she didn't break any walls 

1855
01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:24,960
because she's not married like 
she's not married to the. 

1856
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:27,520
Yeah, he said. 
Whatever I may have done, she 

1857
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:31,040
didn't break any ballots. 
So it's he, he kept it vague 

1858
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:33,120
enough that. 
It's vague, but it's pretty 

1859
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:36,040
straightforward, I think. 
Like he's not, he's not saying 

1860
01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:38,880
it, but it's. 
Yeah, but but he's if nothing 

1861
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:41,600
else, he's giving Gwain what's 
a. 

1862
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:43,600
Little bit of reasonable 
possible denial. 

1863
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:45,080
Yeah, you're right. 
That's that's that's true. 

1864
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:47,080
I agree with that. 
That definitely is important to 

1865
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:49,640
not just be like, yeah, you're 
right, we're screwing. 

1866
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:51,440
Yeah, I was banging her all the 
time, bro. 

1867
01:27:51,440 --> 01:27:56,560
Like, sorry about that, but we 
just couldn't keep it in the 

1868
01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:58,840
pants, you know? 
Yeah, it was just lust, you 

1869
01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:00,600
know? 
Like what? 

1870
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:03,080
I'm gonna, I'm going to 
definitely kill you now. 

1871
01:28:03,440 --> 01:28:06,760
Man, what poetry that Kristen is
spitting here. 

1872
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:09,600
Like the words that he's saying 
are beautiful. 

1873
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:11,040
So good. 
Yeah, No wonder that he's in the

1874
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:13,000
trailer, right? 
It was like, wow, this is a good

1875
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:14,840
setup. 
Like, it's dark as hell, but 

1876
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:15,800
it's so good. 
Yeah. 

1877
01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:19,000
The line is the Dragons dance. 
And the. 

1878
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:21,240
And men are like dust under 
their feet. 

1879
01:28:21,480 --> 01:28:25,560
And all our fine thoughts, all 
our endeavors are as nothing. 

1880
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:27,880
We March now toward our 
annihilation. 

1881
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:30,920
To die will be a kind of relief,
don't you think? 

1882
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:35,520
And Gwaine is just like all his 
anger, just like he just plops 

1883
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:37,880
down next to him and doesn't 
even look at him. 

1884
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:41,440
Like, you really just took the 
steam out of me there, bro. 

1885
01:28:41,440 --> 01:28:45,080
Like, morale is the most 
important factor in leading 

1886
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:46,840
soldiers. 
And this guy, just this guy has 

1887
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:49,440
no morale at all. 
He's duty, but no morale. 

1888
01:28:49,440 --> 01:28:51,200
He's like, Yep, we're going to 
die now. 

1889
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:53,280
That is not what you want to 
hear from your commander. 

1890
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:56,560
You know, I wanted to point out 
that was somewhat of a, a theme 

1891
01:28:56,560 --> 01:29:00,960
I felt of this episode was that 
the Greens are losing morale, 

1892
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:04,200
for lack of a better word. 
Like Aegon has kind of given up 

1893
01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:06,440
on his life and Lars is trying 
to keep him motivated, but 

1894
01:29:06,440 --> 01:29:08,880
Allison just wants to run away 
from everything. 

1895
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:12,960
Cole feels like it's have 
nihilistic attitude about stuff.

1896
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:17,320
In the meantime, the blacks are 
like, hey, we got some more 

1897
01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:19,560
Dragons, let's eat these birds, 
let's go. 

1898
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:22,800
Hey, Damon's with us too now. 
Like they're getting fired up 

1899
01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:25,280
and the Greens are becoming 
demoralized. 

1900
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:28,800
Yeah, it's a real reversal of of
who's winning. 

1901
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:33,440
Yeah. 
And that would put you in a dark

1902
01:29:33,440 --> 01:29:36,600
state of mind, I think even if 
you or someone like Rainier that

1903
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:39,320
has a, you know, struggles with 
harming innocence, maybe less 

1904
01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:41,320
and less, but still struggles 
with it. 

1905
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:44,880
And someone like when you're 
when you're losing, it's all, 

1906
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:47,240
it's all harder. 
So yeah, what a what a brilliant

1907
01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:49,240
scene. 
Just one real quick thing before

1908
01:29:49,240 --> 01:29:51,440
we move on. 
For this, I wish that Allison 

1909
01:29:51,440 --> 01:29:57,200
would relieve me of all charges.
I would also like a handkerchief

1910
01:29:57,200 --> 01:29:59,640
like that little AH on it, you 
know. 

1911
01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:07,000
So heading over to Bayla and 
Jace, Baila, as usual, is the 

1912
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:09,440
mature one. 
She's got the right attitude. 

1913
01:30:09,440 --> 01:30:11,600
She did therapy on Corelise. 
Now she does it with her 

1914
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:13,800
betrothed. 
Not that Jayce doesn't have a 

1915
01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:17,880
reason to be upset, he does, but
he's not handling it in a 

1916
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:20,080
proactive way. 
He's not handling in a way 

1917
01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:22,600
that's pragmatic. 
And Baila kind of sets him 

1918
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:25,080
straight on like, look, if you, 
you're right, you're the heir. 

1919
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:28,360
And if you're worried about 
being replaced, well, be the 

1920
01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:32,000
heir, be more prominent, do the 
things that an that are expected

1921
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:34,400
of an heir. 
Now, to be fair, it's he's not 

1922
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:36,720
given a lot of opportunities at 
some of those things, but just 

1923
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:40,440
be by her side, be seen with her
back, her decisions, that kind 

1924
01:30:40,440 --> 01:30:41,680
of thing. 
He's not really doing that. 

1925
01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:43,800
He's kind of moping. 
And she calls him out for that. 

1926
01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:47,080
He's like, oh, you're moping, 
you know, and he kind of is 

1927
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:48,560
moping. 
I I do wonder what book he's 

1928
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:54,760
reading, but yeah, he's just 
kind of staring at it. 

1929
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:56,800
Yeah, he's. 
Looking directly like past it. 

1930
01:30:57,080 --> 01:30:58,520
Yeah, you're right. 
He's look at that. 

1931
01:30:58,520 --> 01:31:02,040
But he's just playing the like a
grieved teenager very well here,

1932
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:06,200
look at that. 
He's like, everybody sucks, 

1933
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:10,280
nothing's good. 
Yeah, he's listening to some 

1934
01:31:10,280 --> 01:31:12,920
blue. 
Steel, blue steel, blue seed and

1935
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:16,000
blue Reed. 
He's got he's got earbuds then 

1936
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:19,320
he's listening to some emo, some
some pop punk is going in those 

1937
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:22,280
ears right now. 
So she says, do you think you're

1938
01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:25,160
the only noble heir whose sire 
is not their noble father 'cause

1939
01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:26,240
he's like, you know what I am, 
I'm back. 

1940
01:31:26,240 --> 01:31:28,160
He's like, it doesn't matter. 
She says. 

1941
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:30,320
Carly said the same thing. 
You know, history doesn't 

1942
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:32,600
remember blood. 
It remembers names like you're a

1943
01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:34,960
Valarian cause the world thinks 
of you're a valarian. 

1944
01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:38,120
Your blood doesn't matter. 
Now with Targaryens, it actually

1945
01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:42,520
does matter. 
But that aside, I love how this 

1946
01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:46,720
relates to Shirak Alohar and 
Jason Lannister who just sire 

1947
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:49,880
children on someone else, right?
You said Jason Lannister. 

1948
01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:51,200
Oh, sorry, Thailand. 
My bad. 

1949
01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:52,280
Yes, thank you for the 
correction. 

1950
01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:55,560
Thailand. 
Lannister, Tymon, Tyrod, Tywin. 

1951
01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:57,000
They have many fathers, 
actually. 

1952
01:31:57,000 --> 01:32:00,000
Can you imagine if Scirocco's 
like he's a twin? 

1953
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:04,000
Oh my God. 
Oh yeah, she doesn't know that 

1954
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:04,400
yet. 
I don't. 

1955
01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:07,120
Know that she would know he's a 
twin that's this funny little. 

1956
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:09,680
That is really funny. 
He needs to get twice as many 

1957
01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:12,920
wives now. 
They won't know which is is that

1958
01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:15,160
Jason's son or is that 
Thailand's son? 

1959
01:32:15,160 --> 01:32:17,640
I don't know. 
So it seems to, it seems to work

1960
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:20,400
like Jace's attitude does shift 
somewhat, though maybe not 

1961
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:23,920
entirely. 
But by the dinner, he when ulf 

1962
01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:27,760
upsets him, he keeps his calm, 
he, he chastises ulf but he 

1963
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:32,680
isn't like aggressive or like 
angry about it. 

1964
01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:37,160
He just says what he needs to 
say is like, you know, be better

1965
01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:38,680
friend. 
You know, he's a little, he's a 

1966
01:32:38,760 --> 01:32:41,680
little bit of English in there, 
a little bit of like needling 

1967
01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:45,080
him, but he's, it's nothing like
I will hang you and have your 

1968
01:32:45,080 --> 01:32:47,080
body eaten by the dogs. 
You know, it's it's he 

1969
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:50,000
definitely has toned it down. 
He's not quite as mad. 

1970
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:53,280
So I appreciate that. 
He might feel a little more 

1971
01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:55,680
hurt, too. 
He, he, everyone else sees this,

1972
01:32:55,680 --> 01:32:57,040
right? 
There's a little bit of him, 

1973
01:32:57,040 --> 01:33:00,000
like you guys all see this. 
I'm not, I'm not being mean to 

1974
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:02,000
him for no reason, right? 
Everyone else, you guys were all

1975
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:02,400
OK. 
Yeah. 

1976
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:03,320
It's not just me. 
Yeah. 

1977
01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:09,000
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
So let's see dinner with dragon 

1978
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:11,280
seeds. 
This is our our let's talk about

1979
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:12,800
this scene, very important scene
right here. 

1980
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:14,640
It tells them they have 
responsibilities that they will 

1981
01:33:14,640 --> 01:33:16,440
be made Knights if they do 
really well. 

1982
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:18,880
Again, as I said before, maybe 
this is a little light for 

1983
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:20,640
dragon riders, but it's just a 
start. 

1984
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:22,280
You know, you can start with 
knighthood, maybe work your way 

1985
01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:23,920
up. 
But it's an important thing, you

1986
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:26,040
know, when you're when you have 
a lot of power, you have to be 

1987
01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:28,880
taken care of. 
So Alps manners are a topic of 

1988
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:30,880
conversation. 
The reactions are interesting. 

1989
01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:34,000
As I pointed out before, Hugh 
kind of apologizes for him. 

1990
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:37,400
Adam distances himself and and 
ulf just keep kind of keeps 

1991
01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:38,880
going. 
He's trying to needle them a 

1992
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:40,240
little little sarcasm, little 
joke. 

1993
01:33:40,240 --> 01:33:41,760
He's like, you guys need a sense
of humor. 

1994
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:43,800
You know? 
He's right. 

1995
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:47,560
He's right. 
Yeah, I say one as people in the

1996
01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:50,880
chat have been mentioning, he 
did eat over 30 quails. 

1997
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:52,640
That's what the little birds are
here. 

1998
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:57,040
He ate over 30 quails in the 
filming, which is was very funny

1999
01:33:57,040 --> 01:33:59,160
in the BTS in the house the 
Dragons built. 

2000
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:02,320
So I clipped it while we were 
stuck at the at the airport for 

2001
01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:04,720
18 hours. 
I made a little TikTok clip of 

2002
01:34:04,720 --> 01:34:08,560
it and my little TikTok Scott 
like almost 700,000 views on 

2003
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:11,880
TikTok and Tom Bennett retweeted
it, reposted it. 

2004
01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:14,480
So that made me happy. 
Off, off, off. 

2005
01:34:14,760 --> 01:34:19,240
The comments keep cracking me up
because so many people hate OLF 

2006
01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:22,880
and lots of people love OLF. 
Some people are horny for OLF 

2007
01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:26,040
which is funny. 
But a lot of people hate OLF and

2008
01:34:26,040 --> 01:34:28,960
their comments just really make 
them sound like real life. 

2009
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:32,960
Like bootlicking peasants I have
to say because they're like This

2010
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:34,960
is why you don't invite the help
to eat with you. 

2011
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:39,480
And I'm like OK, OK then but. 
But Adam is awesome and like, 

2012
01:34:40,240 --> 01:34:42,600
like, what do you mean? 
Like he's objectively great so 

2013
01:34:42,600 --> 01:34:45,280
far, I mean. 
Yeah, people, yeah, I, I, they 

2014
01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:47,000
say that with their whole chest.
Yeah. 

2015
01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:50,520
And I, I think it's, it speaks a
lot about people's perspectives 

2016
01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:54,800
that they would blame ulf's 
yeah, up upbringing on this and 

2017
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:57,000
not just him being kind of kind 
of bad. 

2018
01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:00,320
And this is in the same scene 
where Rainier is like, yes let's

2019
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:02,480
burn Old Town Atlantis port. 
So I don't know why ulf is the 

2020
01:35:02,480 --> 01:35:04,400
problem here. 
Thank you. 

2021
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:07,240
Thank you. 
Like, yeah, I was happy to see 

2022
01:35:07,240 --> 01:35:10,240
Hugh was the one in the scene 
who was like, I I sounds awful. 

2023
01:35:10,240 --> 01:35:13,440
Like he, he, he, he did not seem
to like that idea. 

2024
01:35:13,560 --> 01:35:16,160
It's so brilliant now that I'm 
thinking about it and I don't 

2025
01:35:16,160 --> 01:35:18,440
even know if it's intentional 
because this is such a real 

2026
01:35:18,440 --> 01:35:22,840
world thing. 
People so often just push aside 

2027
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:24,800
a really good point 'cause 
you're rude about it. 

2028
01:35:25,360 --> 01:35:28,720
Like OK, it could have been 
better delivered, but like it 

2029
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:30,200
doesn't. 
This is we're talking about like

2030
01:35:30,200 --> 01:35:34,280
genocide or mass murder here. 
Like, I'm sorry, I'm rude about 

2031
01:35:34,280 --> 01:35:37,040
it, but like, come on, like 
that. 

2032
01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:39,720
Can't we get past the rudeness 
to like deal with this? 

2033
01:35:39,720 --> 01:35:42,160
The death of the potential death
of thousands or hundreds of 

2034
01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:43,760
thousands of people or whatever 
the number is. 

2035
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:46,720
Like that seems like it's more 
important than some root table 

2036
01:35:46,720 --> 01:35:49,520
manners, right? 
Like that's this isn't even 

2037
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:52,160
doesn't even register in the 
scheme of things. 

2038
01:35:52,280 --> 01:35:54,920
But interestingly, the reaction 
to her saying that if we move on

2039
01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:59,480
to to their reaction to being 
told they have to burn these 

2040
01:35:59,480 --> 01:36:06,960
cities, Bayla and Hugh object. 
Adam and Ulph say nothing and 

2041
01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:10,480
Jace backs his mom up like, Yep,
it's terrible, but it's got to 

2042
01:36:10,480 --> 01:36:13,360
be done, you know? 
So it's like, Oh yeah, I don't 

2043
01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:16,920
know how to feel about that. 
By the way, in terms of I know 

2044
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:21,800
why that TikTok went viral, 
Shaya, because it's contagious. 

2045
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:24,240
It went viral and off backwards 
is flu. 

2046
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:27,200
There you go. 
Once it ends. 

2047
01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:33,560
Hugh backwards is them, 
backwards is Mata. 

2048
01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:35,280
So yeah, none of those work, 
right? 

2049
01:36:35,960 --> 01:36:38,080
See. 
Yeah, you only get this quality 

2050
01:36:38,480 --> 01:36:40,840
quality analysis from History of
Westeros podcast. 

2051
01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:45,840
I wanted to get one line in when
told them they could use a sense

2052
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:47,520
of humor and he is kind of 
right. 

2053
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:50,760
They maybe could lighten up a 
little, but he could use a sense

2054
01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:53,640
of humility as well, probably. 
Yeah. 

2055
01:36:54,120 --> 01:36:55,880
I think that's true, I think. 
That's me in the middle. 

2056
01:36:56,640 --> 01:36:58,520
But this also brings me to the 
other thing is that she tells 

2057
01:36:58,520 --> 01:37:00,240
them that she'll make them 
nights. 

2058
01:37:00,760 --> 01:37:02,400
Excuse me, They're dragon 
riders. 

2059
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:06,760
I think you give them a lordship
and I think that that's very at 

2060
01:37:06,760 --> 01:37:09,560
LAX. 
How can she think that they'll 

2061
01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:11,560
be happy with night like 
knighthoods? 

2062
01:37:11,680 --> 01:37:14,520
And how can she not think that 
someone else will try to bribe 

2063
01:37:14,520 --> 01:37:16,760
them? 
You have to take care of these 

2064
01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:18,360
people or they will leave you 
so. 

2065
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:21,640
That's be very. 
Concerned when he says best make

2066
01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:24,240
us Knights then I'm like even if
she made you a knight, someone 

2067
01:37:24,240 --> 01:37:27,240
can make you a Lord. 
All of like I don't know. 

2068
01:37:27,240 --> 01:37:31,040
I had a sense of dread at her 
just offering them the bare 

2069
01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:33,640
minimum like that. 
Silver wings a goer too, so. 

2070
01:37:34,440 --> 01:37:36,400
Silver Wing is not a goer. 
He doesn't know. 

2071
01:37:38,240 --> 01:37:39,480
Love that line. 
Silver Wings a goer. 

2072
01:37:39,480 --> 01:37:42,840
We'll take on Vegar. 
Like maybe you are drunk. 

2073
01:37:45,120 --> 01:37:47,960
Yeah, on one hand I I largely 
agree with you, but on the other

2074
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:49,520
hand, they got to prove 
themselves. 

2075
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:51,280
They haven't really done 
anything yet. 

2076
01:37:51,280 --> 01:37:54,400
They just got the Dragons what 
they do with them, you know? 

2077
01:37:54,640 --> 01:37:57,000
Adam said. 
Like there'll be a chance to see

2078
01:37:57,000 --> 01:37:58,320
who the coward is. 
Yeah, I. 

2079
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:01,800
Agree, but that's what you say. 
If you acquit yourself honorably

2080
01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:05,400
throughout the war and you make 
it through alive, I promise you 

2081
01:38:05,400 --> 01:38:08,160
you'll get your own castle. 
You don't even have to say which

2082
01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:12,160
I think if you one of the green 
castles, yeah, I think I think 

2083
01:38:12,160 --> 01:38:17,080
that is a too low of a bar for a
dragon rider and any any person 

2084
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:21,640
would offer them more and I'm 
very worried about this low ball

2085
01:38:21,640 --> 01:38:23,120
offer. 
Yeah, I mean, right here I said 

2086
01:38:23,120 --> 01:38:25,480
that you have been entrusted 
with the power few have ever 

2087
01:38:25,480 --> 01:38:29,480
known, yet you are outranked by 
all these people, these like, 

2088
01:38:29,480 --> 01:38:32,560
lower level Lords, you know, 
It's like that does confrate a 

2089
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:37,560
weird conflict, you know? 
So one other little tiniest bit,

2090
01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:41,400
Hugh, I almost did it too. 
Olf actually did thank the 

2091
01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:43,800
serving girl when the little 
birds were finally brought to 

2092
01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:45,680
him again. 
Easy to miss that. 

2093
01:38:45,680 --> 01:38:47,000
So he was at least polite to the
serving. 

2094
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:48,160
Girl, that's good. 
I like that. 

2095
01:38:48,160 --> 01:38:51,120
I like that point a lot. 
Aziz 'cause I mean he is really 

2096
01:38:51,120 --> 01:38:54,720
rude, but I think he is being 
rude to the nobles who he kind 

2097
01:38:54,720 --> 01:38:57,520
of Loki hates. 
Like we have seen him throughout

2098
01:38:57,520 --> 01:39:01,640
the season be kinda more of a 
populist. 

2099
01:39:01,640 --> 01:39:04,080
I mean, I, I still think once he
has the power, he's not gonna 

2100
01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:07,960
give up the power, but I'm glad 
to see him not just be a jerk to

2101
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:10,160
a serving girl immediately. 
I agree. 

2102
01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:14,240
Yeah. 
So Master Girardis comes in and 

2103
01:39:14,240 --> 01:39:18,440
sort of interrupts the scene and
changes to pivots it to 

2104
01:39:18,440 --> 01:39:21,160
Harrenhal. 
Ray Rainier is like she's 

2105
01:39:21,160 --> 01:39:24,840
frustrated when she hears that 
Sir Simon is fierce treachery 

2106
01:39:24,840 --> 01:39:25,840
and she says I will not allow 
it. 

2107
01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:28,200
It's going to go there. 
It's time to just confront him. 

2108
01:39:28,200 --> 01:39:32,440
And that I'm glad to see that 
Now it cut to her saying I'm 

2109
01:39:32,440 --> 01:39:35,040
going to bring Adam. 
Now you it's easy to understand 

2110
01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:38,800
why she chose Adam. 
She doesn't know Hugh very well.

2111
01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:41,360
Alf has been rude so that's kind
of easy to not choose him. 

2112
01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:43,680
He also is probably drunk so 
it's not the best time to bring 

2113
01:39:43,680 --> 01:39:45,040
him. 
She doesn't want to put all her 

2114
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:46,720
eggs in one basket by bringing 
Jace. 

2115
01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:48,800
Plus Jace's dragon is small and 
she probably wants to be 

2116
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:51,560
intimidating, so that also 
eliminates Bayla. 

2117
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:53,840
So Adam is really the the best 
call. 

2118
01:39:53,960 --> 01:39:55,360
But Sean, you have a really good
point here. 

2119
01:39:55,360 --> 01:39:57,800
Like Jace seemed kind of put out
by not being brought. 

2120
01:39:58,120 --> 01:40:01,720
Maybe he should understand. 
But Rainier could have explained

2121
01:40:01,720 --> 01:40:04,640
herself a little here, huh? 
Yeah, he wasn't just put out. 

2122
01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:07,640
He was left out. 
Like here comes the maestro with

2123
01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:11,200
this message and she gets up and
walks away to discuss the 

2124
01:40:11,200 --> 01:40:13,000
message in private. 
And Chase is like, hey, what's 

2125
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:14,800
going on? 
I'm the heir. 

2126
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:16,400
I'm your son. 
I got a dragon. 

2127
01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:19,600
And. 
And as far as I could tell, she 

2128
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:21,080
didn't announce what was going 
on. 

2129
01:40:21,080 --> 01:40:23,160
She just said, Adam, come with 
me. 

2130
01:40:23,560 --> 01:40:25,880
And Jace is just sitting there, 
like, what the heck. 

2131
01:40:26,200 --> 01:40:30,600
Like not only did I not get to 
hear the message, not only is my

2132
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:33,360
mom going off to do something 
with someone other than me, I 

2133
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:35,640
don't even know what she's going
to do. 

2134
01:40:35,880 --> 01:40:41,120
Like Raniera could have, should 
have easily said I need to go 

2135
01:40:41,160 --> 01:40:45,240
meet Damon at Harrenhal. 
Jase, stay here and make sure 

2136
01:40:45,240 --> 01:40:47,280
the dragon riders are ready to 
go. 

2137
01:40:47,440 --> 01:40:49,000
I'll be back in a week or 
something. 

2138
01:40:49,400 --> 01:40:52,480
But she didn't tell anyone where
she was going or why she didn't 

2139
01:40:52,480 --> 01:40:57,760
involve Jason anyway. 
And and in front of these noobs,

2140
01:40:57,760 --> 01:40:59,840
he's trying to assert himself 
overall. 

2141
01:40:59,920 --> 01:41:01,640
You. 
Better listen to me and that was

2142
01:41:01,680 --> 01:41:04,360
like, your mom doesn't even 
respect you, you know, like 

2143
01:41:04,360 --> 01:41:06,680
you're. 
Right after bail is like be by 

2144
01:41:06,680 --> 01:41:09,800
your mom's side and he's like, 
she's not, she's excluding me. 

2145
01:41:09,960 --> 01:41:11,880
Yeah. 
He looked more hurt than angry 

2146
01:41:11,880 --> 01:41:13,800
there. 
He looks kind of concerned, 

2147
01:41:13,800 --> 01:41:17,760
confused, hurt, but not not mad,
which that would have been, you 

2148
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:19,480
know, fair too. 
But yeah, it was more. 

2149
01:41:19,480 --> 01:41:21,960
He's like my mom's replacing me 
with Adam. 

2150
01:41:22,200 --> 01:41:24,400
So but it but like we said, it 
does make sense. 

2151
01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:26,200
It just should have she should 
have just taken the time to 

2152
01:41:26,200 --> 01:41:28,720
explain it to him. 
But more on that. 

2153
01:41:28,720 --> 01:41:31,000
Let's let's take a quick break 
and then we'll come back with 

2154
01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:35,640
Haranol. 
Dom Tartaglia sends a super 

2155
01:41:35,640 --> 01:41:37,800
chat. 
Hey Dom, shout out to folk wise 

2156
01:41:37,800 --> 01:41:41,040
YouTube channel he says. 
I thought of Aziz and the BTS 

2157
01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:45,080
because Tom as Alf is to quails 
the same way Mark is as Illyrio 

2158
01:41:45,080 --> 01:41:47,440
is to blocks of cheese. 
Yeah, our friend Mark Swan, I 

2159
01:41:47,440 --> 01:41:52,280
love to comment on this. 
He ate during the performance of

2160
01:41:52,360 --> 01:41:54,560
of 6 Queens or just was it 6 
right? 

2161
01:41:54,560 --> 01:41:58,560
Just called 6, is that right? 
Yes, it's Queens based on 6. 

2162
01:41:58,920 --> 01:42:00,280
Oh, that's right. 
OK, yeah, I don't know the 

2163
01:42:00,280 --> 01:42:01,440
original. 
That's why I get confused. 

2164
01:42:01,600 --> 01:42:05,320
So Queens is the name of the 
musical they rewrote in A Song 

2165
01:42:05,320 --> 01:42:08,320
of Ice and Fire format. 
It was brilliant and Mark played

2166
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:11,760
the role of Illyrio and he he 
ate a whole block on stage of 

2167
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:14,280
cheese just to so we would know 
who he was like a little gag, 

2168
01:42:14,280 --> 01:42:15,280
but he actually ate a whole 
block. 

2169
01:42:15,280 --> 01:42:17,600
It was crazy. 
It's Charlie Kelly like eating 

2170
01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:19,160
his heart out. 
Like even Charlie couldn't eat 

2171
01:42:19,160 --> 01:42:21,560
that much cheese. 
Very impressive, very 

2172
01:42:21,560 --> 01:42:25,600
impressive. 
So yeah, friends, we're going to

2173
01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:27,840
we're going to have a lot of 
coverage after the season. 

2174
01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:30,640
We've got several character 
based episodes we're going to 

2175
01:42:30,640 --> 01:42:32,080
do. 
One's going to be on Damon. 

2176
01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:33,760
We've got some other ones 
planned. 

2177
01:42:33,760 --> 01:42:36,120
We're going to figure out we've 
got to get our schedule all 

2178
01:42:36,120 --> 01:42:37,160
together. 
But we're doing, like I said, 

2179
01:42:37,160 --> 01:42:41,320
we're doing a show wrap up 
episode on Sunday. 

2180
01:42:41,440 --> 01:42:44,000
We're going to do a book to show
episode. 

2181
01:42:44,080 --> 01:42:47,000
We're going to do Dance of the 
Dragons Part 7, the book only 

2182
01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:49,440
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2183
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through our feed and or our 

2196
01:43:32,760 --> 01:43:34,480
YouTube channel. 
It's kind of be kind of hard to 

2197
01:43:34,480 --> 01:43:38,800
find things, so that's nice. 
Wait, Dom said he ate two blocks

2198
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:40,760
of cheese? 
What? 

2199
01:43:40,800 --> 01:43:43,600
OK, Charlie Kelly isn't even in 
the same league. 

2200
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:45,600
That's off level commitment to 
the bit. 

2201
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:48,440
Yeah, that's two like 2 quails 
per take, two blocks per 

2202
01:43:48,920 --> 01:43:51,760
performance. 
That's dedication cheese. 

2203
01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:59,400
It's a lot heavier than a quail.
Damn Jordan Ellis Reynolds, 

2204
01:43:59,400 --> 01:44:03,760
shout out to long expected 
soundscape and other projects. 

2205
01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:07,000
You are doing a new one for real
time as well. 

2206
01:44:07,000 --> 01:44:09,760
That's really cool, he says. 
Would love to hear a talk later 

2207
01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:11,400
on about the final piece of 
music in this episode. 

2208
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:13,000
All must choose. 
Oh yeah. 

2209
01:44:13,000 --> 01:44:15,760
Well, yeah, we'll do that during
the the montage section. 

2210
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:18,360
I will. 
I will talk about that 'cause I 

2211
01:44:18,360 --> 01:44:19,720
was very pleased by that as 
well. 

2212
01:44:19,720 --> 01:44:23,040
And now that the soundtrack is 
out, we have, well, we have 

2213
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:25,000
titles like that one, which we 
didn't have before. 

2214
01:44:26,480 --> 01:44:27,280
Tyrannall. 
Yeah. 

2215
01:44:27,280 --> 01:44:29,920
Let's talk about Harrenhal. 
This is a really interesting 

2216
01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:31,480
moment, Sean. 
Alice awakens him. 

2217
01:44:31,480 --> 01:44:33,440
He calls her a witch again. 
He's like, you never do you ever

2218
01:44:33,440 --> 01:44:35,600
sleep? 
Which she's crying. 

2219
01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:38,240
Did you catch that, Sean? 
That her eyes were, like, 

2220
01:44:38,640 --> 01:44:40,360
watering? 
They weren't tears running down,

2221
01:44:40,360 --> 01:44:44,000
but the eyes were watering. 
I, I didn't at first, but I did,

2222
01:44:44,040 --> 01:44:47,320
I don't know, 4th watch. 
I think I noticed when it when 

2223
01:44:47,320 --> 01:44:50,040
she turned from the other angle 
that it seemed like that her, 

2224
01:44:50,040 --> 01:44:53,400
you know, her not just watering,
but like tears on her cheek, you

2225
01:44:53,400 --> 01:44:55,200
know, beneath her eye, down her 
cheek, it looked. 

2226
01:44:55,200 --> 01:44:56,600
Like, OK, yeah. 
Yeah, it was on her face. 

2227
01:44:56,600 --> 01:44:57,240
You can see it on the. 
Face. 

2228
01:44:57,240 --> 01:44:57,680
Oh, it was. 
Yeah. 

2229
01:44:57,680 --> 01:44:59,760
You could see it yourself. 
I undersold it. 

2230
01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:03,200
She was crying more than I said.
My only guess here is because 

2231
01:45:03,200 --> 01:45:05,040
the heart tree is is bleeding 
too. 

2232
01:45:05,040 --> 01:45:06,320
Is that the heart tree is 
crying. 

2233
01:45:06,320 --> 01:45:08,240
So she is too. 
She's like In Sync with it. 

2234
01:45:08,240 --> 01:45:10,240
But other than that, I I'm not 
really sure. 

2235
01:45:10,240 --> 01:45:16,680
Do you have any other takes? 
My guess was that she that these

2236
01:45:16,680 --> 01:45:20,160
visions are, are similar to 
everyone who's having different 

2237
01:45:20,160 --> 01:45:21,760
prophecies. 
It's hard to piece it together 

2238
01:45:21,760 --> 01:45:27,280
and understand it, right? 
And I think this course that 

2239
01:45:27,280 --> 01:45:31,160
Damon has gone through at 
Harrenhal with her, she's going 

2240
01:45:31,160 --> 01:45:32,680
through it with him, if you 
will, right? 

2241
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:36,400
And she has seen him grow and 
evolve and become the person 

2242
01:45:36,400 --> 01:45:39,960
he's supposed to be. 
And now she sees that he's going

2243
01:45:39,960 --> 01:45:41,560
to die tragically. 
And it's sad. 

2244
01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:44,520
That's what I think. 
OK, yeah, he's she's like a he's

2245
01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:47,920
like a son that she's been 
raising right to be a good 

2246
01:45:47,920 --> 01:45:50,240
little father just follower of 
the old gods. 

2247
01:45:50,240 --> 01:45:52,840
Yeah, be a good little piece on 
the board. 

2248
01:45:52,840 --> 01:45:54,360
And now. 
But also I have to watch you 

2249
01:45:54,360 --> 01:45:54,760
die. 
Yeah. 

2250
01:45:54,760 --> 01:45:56,240
That is, I can buy that. 
That's I. 

2251
01:45:56,280 --> 01:45:58,640
Like that interpretation, Sean, 
whether it's about Damon 

2252
01:45:58,640 --> 01:46:02,680
specifically or about she just 
witnessed all of this death and 

2253
01:46:02,680 --> 01:46:04,200
destruct all of what Damon just 
saw. 

2254
01:46:04,200 --> 01:46:06,680
And it was very emotional for 
her to see and seeing the 

2255
01:46:06,680 --> 01:46:09,320
sacrifices that were going to be
made and all of that. 

2256
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:12,040
I think that's one really good 
interpretation. 

2257
01:46:12,320 --> 01:46:15,560
Probably where I land. 
I guess the only real other 

2258
01:46:15,560 --> 01:46:18,960
interpretation I would see is 
that she's she's upset that she 

2259
01:46:18,960 --> 01:46:25,200
has to kind of show someone not 
worthy of such a thing and she 

2260
01:46:25,200 --> 01:46:28,440
is like that is the only kind of
alternative explanation I've 

2261
01:46:28,440 --> 01:46:31,240
seen out there. 
And I think I prefer the former,

2262
01:46:31,240 --> 01:46:34,000
but I I don't know that I see 
much of 1/3 option. 

2263
01:46:34,360 --> 01:46:36,840
Yeah, I didn't really even see a
second option until Sean gave 

2264
01:46:36,840 --> 01:46:39,680
that one, which I think is 
pretty good, but I've seen some 

2265
01:46:39,680 --> 01:46:41,040
other ones. 
I just didn't really like them. 

2266
01:46:41,040 --> 01:46:43,000
But I think, I think both of 
what you all said is are pretty 

2267
01:46:43,000 --> 01:46:46,320
solid. 
So she leads him outside for I 

2268
01:46:46,320 --> 01:46:48,480
guess what it seems to be a 
final dream. 

2269
01:46:49,440 --> 01:46:53,120
Maybe not final final for now, 
but certainly a big climactic 

2270
01:46:53,120 --> 01:46:56,640
dream, that's for damn sure. 
And I wrote down her speech. 

2271
01:46:56,840 --> 01:46:58,040
It's great you want to read it 
to show you. 

2272
01:46:58,360 --> 01:47:02,080
When you came here, you were a 
closed fist who wished to bend 

2273
01:47:02,080 --> 01:47:05,720
the world to your will. 
But you've discovered, I think 

2274
01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:10,800
this world will not be governed.
There are omens here for those 

2275
01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:13,520
who seek them. 
You do not scoff. 

2276
01:47:13,760 --> 01:47:15,960
He says I am no longer inclined 
to. 

2277
01:47:16,280 --> 01:47:20,280
I am pleased to hear it. 
Do you wish to learn then what 

2278
01:47:20,280 --> 01:47:23,080
is given to you? 
All your life you've sought to 

2279
01:47:23,080 --> 01:47:26,080
command your fate, but today you
are ready. 

2280
01:47:26,720 --> 01:47:29,360
Yeah, it's ready to give in, to 
become part of the network, 

2281
01:47:29,360 --> 01:47:32,400
maybe not a permanent part of 
it, to see your future, to see 

2282
01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:34,000
the omen here for those who seek
them. 

2283
01:47:34,480 --> 01:47:38,920
And yeah, I mean, this is where 
I have to say that we have a way

2284
01:47:38,920 --> 01:47:42,920
more to say about this because 
we need to look at Damon's Ark 

2285
01:47:42,920 --> 01:47:45,240
as a whole to to really 
understand this moment. 

2286
01:47:46,120 --> 01:47:48,760
But beyond that, the scene had 
implications for a variety of 

2287
01:47:48,760 --> 01:47:51,600
magical related subtopics that 
we'll also have to focus on 

2288
01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:54,760
separately, but probably not in 
one episode because there's, 

2289
01:47:54,760 --> 01:47:57,160
like I said, a variety of 
different magical tendrils have 

2290
01:47:57,160 --> 01:47:59,360
been shot out here and has 
affected what we see about 

2291
01:47:59,360 --> 01:48:01,760
things. 
Just seeing the Green Man is 

2292
01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:05,560
amazing enough. 
But for now, to summarize 

2293
01:48:05,600 --> 01:48:08,240
briefly what a lot of those 
discussions will revolve around,

2294
01:48:08,240 --> 01:48:11,920
remember that Damon hated the 
supernatural so much that 

2295
01:48:12,600 --> 01:48:16,880
Rainier is Bear's suggestion of 
it, of the prophecy coming from 

2296
01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:18,400
Beceris. 
He choked her. 

2297
01:48:19,120 --> 01:48:21,880
And then when she Alice brought 
it up in a few episodes ago, 

2298
01:48:21,880 --> 01:48:24,480
like, well, it's the old guy. 
She's he's like drivel. 

2299
01:48:24,480 --> 01:48:27,040
He yelled it. 
He's so worked up, so mad. 

2300
01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:30,520
So this is it took some work for
him to get to this point. 

2301
01:48:30,520 --> 01:48:32,800
So I for those of you who 
thought this this arc was maybe 

2302
01:48:32,800 --> 01:48:35,000
a little stretched out too long,
I don't think so. 

2303
01:48:35,200 --> 01:48:38,440
He had to go some undergo some 
serious character change. 

2304
01:48:38,440 --> 01:48:40,360
And you can't just have that 
happen quickly. 

2305
01:48:41,240 --> 01:48:42,640
He's this is the the person he 
was. 

2306
01:48:42,640 --> 01:48:44,720
His whole life has to change, 
and he did. 

2307
01:48:45,280 --> 01:48:47,040
Whether the change will stick, 
we'll see. 

2308
01:48:47,040 --> 01:48:49,760
But they certainly look pretty 
strong. 

2309
01:48:50,280 --> 01:48:52,600
I didn't even think of it till 
just now, but if you could 

2310
01:48:52,600 --> 01:48:55,280
compare this to, you know, A 
Christmas Carol, right? 

2311
01:48:55,280 --> 01:48:57,280
Scrooge's. 
Gotta. 

2312
01:48:57,720 --> 01:49:02,360
Evaluate his whole life right 
and it it You can't do it in one

2313
01:49:02,360 --> 01:49:04,480
scene or even one episode if you
will. 

2314
01:49:04,480 --> 01:49:07,600
I, I think that that the screen 
time that Damon and his ark and 

2315
01:49:07,600 --> 01:49:10,960
Harrenhal has taken is probably 
on par with the screen time of 

2316
01:49:12,040 --> 01:49:14,760
Scrooged or A Christmas Carol, 
one of those movies, you know 

2317
01:49:14,760 --> 01:49:16,760
about that. 
I bet they're, I bet it's even 

2318
01:49:16,760 --> 01:49:19,560
less time than you took to watch
Scrooge go through his growth, 

2319
01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:21,200
you know? 
That's a yeah, that's a great 

2320
01:49:21,200 --> 01:49:22,280
comparison. 
I love that. 

2321
01:49:23,320 --> 01:49:25,320
So the actual vision let's let's
go through the points. 

2322
01:49:25,320 --> 01:49:27,000
As I said, somebody's we'll have
to expand on and talk about 

2323
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:28,800
later. 
But if we just talk about the 

2324
01:49:28,800 --> 01:49:32,640
images that happen here first 
she see he sees the Green Man 

2325
01:49:32,800 --> 01:49:35,720
and if you got your subtitles 
on, the Green Man is like making

2326
01:49:35,720 --> 01:49:37,160
clopping sounds. 
It's like you can hear. 

2327
01:49:37,160 --> 01:49:38,960
It's like hooves, which Mitch 
indicates. 

2328
01:49:38,960 --> 01:49:43,400
There's hooves and there's like 
a grumbling sound like the the 

2329
01:49:43,600 --> 01:49:47,480
Green Man makes a vocalization 
that's like a a kind of a roar, 

2330
01:49:47,480 --> 01:49:50,400
kind of a grumble. 
To me, the Green Man looks very 

2331
01:49:50,400 --> 01:49:54,560
small, which points to this 
being either child of the Forest

2332
01:49:54,560 --> 01:49:58,960
Green man all just possible in 
the books as well, or bet some 

2333
01:49:58,960 --> 01:50:03,720
sort of in between point between
the children and a human, some 

2334
01:50:03,720 --> 01:50:06,280
sort of inhuman creature. 
But they look, it looks very 

2335
01:50:06,280 --> 01:50:08,720
small to me. 
And I, I kind of did think of 

2336
01:50:08,720 --> 01:50:12,080
the Green Man as being one with 
the children, but like in all 

2337
01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:13,440
their own sect. 
So I don't know. 

2338
01:50:13,640 --> 01:50:16,120
Yeah, that's how I see it too. 
Like the Order of the Green Hand

2339
01:50:16,120 --> 01:50:19,400
or, or specific type of Knights.
And I think the the green manner

2340
01:50:19,400 --> 01:50:21,680
or an Order of the Children. 
I I see it that way too. 

2341
01:50:21,720 --> 01:50:24,640
Yeah, I think I answer this. 
I'm glad to see this as to be a 

2342
01:50:24,640 --> 01:50:26,160
small figure. 
Yeah, yeah. 

2343
01:50:26,160 --> 01:50:28,400
If they made it a human form, 
that would have been that would 

2344
01:50:28,400 --> 01:50:30,520
have gone against kind of our 
head cannon so far. 

2345
01:50:30,520 --> 01:50:31,760
I think this I think this was a 
good choice. 

2346
01:50:32,240 --> 01:50:33,720
So he places his hand on the 
tree. 

2347
01:50:34,240 --> 01:50:36,960
And if you if you watch how he 
does it, his hand kind of swoops

2348
01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:38,760
up. 
So he, his hand passes over 

2349
01:50:38,760 --> 01:50:41,240
George RR Martin's face. 
This is very meta. 

2350
01:50:41,440 --> 01:50:43,080
He's seeing a vision of the 
future. 

2351
01:50:43,240 --> 01:50:45,360
He's reading George RR Martin's 
mind. 

2352
01:50:45,360 --> 01:50:47,840
Like, he's like, the creator is 
telling you what's going to 

2353
01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:49,400
come. 
And that's part of the fun of, 

2354
01:50:49,400 --> 01:50:53,120
of them referring to it as a 
story because, yeah, that's all 

2355
01:50:53,120 --> 01:50:54,640
there. 
So you get, this is like, you're

2356
01:50:54,640 --> 01:50:56,360
getting George's CHEAT SHEET. 
You're like, here's what's 

2357
01:50:56,360 --> 01:50:58,160
coming. 
You're like, here's what's in 

2358
01:50:58,160 --> 01:51:00,640
his head. 
But it's also like the flowing 

2359
01:51:00,640 --> 01:51:03,400
SAP is like the flow of time, 
and he's rooted in it, and it's 

2360
01:51:03,400 --> 01:51:05,800
flowing around him while he's 
stuck in place. 

2361
01:51:05,800 --> 01:51:08,880
So I think that's a really cool 
like symbolic way to show it. 

2362
01:51:09,960 --> 01:51:12,320
So he puts his hand on it, the 
blood flows there, the tree 

2363
01:51:12,320 --> 01:51:15,400
starts to grow and expand. 
His eyes bulge out a little bit 

2364
01:51:16,400 --> 01:51:20,320
and we pretty quickly see a man 
in the throne of the tree. 

2365
01:51:20,320 --> 01:51:25,080
And it's it's blood Raven, which
is the same character that Bran 

2366
01:51:25,080 --> 01:51:27,800
personified as the three eyed 
crow or three eyed Raven in the 

2367
01:51:27,800 --> 01:51:33,280
show 3 eyed crow in the book. 
And this is shown to us visually

2368
01:51:33,280 --> 01:51:36,840
by him having a crow shaped or a
Raven shaped birthmark on his 

2369
01:51:36,840 --> 01:51:39,640
face which the three eyed crow 
emerges from. 

2370
01:51:40,360 --> 01:51:43,720
So that should tell you a lot. 
And for our book readers who are

2371
01:51:43,720 --> 01:51:46,360
like where? 
Why does he have two eyes and 

2372
01:51:46,360 --> 01:51:50,240
show cannon blood Raven? 
This red Raven thread crow in 

2373
01:51:50,240 --> 01:51:53,160
the show had two eyes in Game of
Thrones. 

2374
01:51:53,160 --> 01:51:55,360
Yeah, they kind of. 
Think they're going to do into 

2375
01:51:55,360 --> 01:51:58,720
this, and I don't know what they
will do in A Night of the Seven 

2376
01:51:58,720 --> 01:52:00,760
Kingdoms, what they'll do with 
Blood Raven. 

2377
01:52:00,760 --> 01:52:04,680
But I feel that whether this 
actor is the actor we see in A 

2378
01:52:04,680 --> 01:52:06,880
Night of the Seven Kingdoms or 
not, which is not for sure, It 

2379
01:52:06,880 --> 01:52:10,040
would be cool if it was so that 
we don't have four Blood Raven 

2380
01:52:10,040 --> 01:52:11,720
actors, right? 
That was Blood Raven. 

2381
01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:14,080
It'll be the 4th. 
How many faces does Blood Raven 

2382
01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:15,880
have? 
Yeah, instead of how many eyes? 

2383
01:52:16,040 --> 01:52:17,440
But yeah, that is the line. 
You know how many? 

2384
01:52:17,800 --> 01:52:20,320
There's a big quote about him 
having to do with his, you know,

2385
01:52:20,320 --> 01:52:23,680
eyes. 
But I just, I think if they want

2386
01:52:23,680 --> 01:52:26,760
to be consistent with show 
cannon, they were kind of stuck 

2387
01:52:26,760 --> 01:52:27,720
with this. 
I don't think. 

2388
01:52:27,720 --> 01:52:30,280
I don't think they just chose to
mess it up. 

2389
01:52:31,160 --> 01:52:32,880
Yeah. 
It really bothers me when people

2390
01:52:32,880 --> 01:52:34,920
say that this ruins his 
character like they ruin Blood 

2391
01:52:34,920 --> 01:52:36,960
Raven. 
Like what, taking giving him a 

2392
01:52:36,960 --> 01:52:40,040
second eye and not having his 
eye missing doesn't ruin the 

2393
01:52:40,040 --> 01:52:41,760
character. 
That's the most over the top 

2394
01:52:41,840 --> 01:52:43,640
thing I can imagine saying about
this character. 

2395
01:52:43,640 --> 01:52:46,320
Like he's still incredible 
because because he has two eyes 

2396
01:52:46,320 --> 01:52:48,840
doesn't change anything. 
Yeah, he doesn't have the Odin 

2397
01:52:48,840 --> 01:52:51,400
vibe anymore because he doesn't 
didn't give up his eye for 

2398
01:52:51,400 --> 01:52:53,520
knowledge. 
You can't use the thousand eyes 

2399
01:52:53,520 --> 01:52:55,200
in one song anymore. 
But that's it. 

2400
01:52:55,200 --> 01:52:57,440
That's all we lose. 
Everything else about the 

2401
01:52:57,440 --> 01:52:59,840
character is still intact. 
And I agree that if you're going

2402
01:52:59,840 --> 01:53:01,800
to blame someone, don't blame 
House of the Dragon, blame Game 

2403
01:53:01,800 --> 01:53:03,440
of Thrones. 
They're the ones who made him 

2404
01:53:03,440 --> 01:53:04,680
two eyed. 
They they're the ones who threw 

2405
01:53:04,680 --> 01:53:06,760
that off. 
Anyway, rant over. 

2406
01:53:07,080 --> 01:53:11,000
I will say that you can justify 
stuff again in mystical visions 

2407
01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:15,560
like this because it might not 
be properly transmitted to Damon

2408
01:53:15,720 --> 01:53:18,760
or blood. 
Raven might envision himself 

2409
01:53:18,760 --> 01:53:20,720
with two eyes, at least at this 
point. 

2410
01:53:20,960 --> 01:53:23,600
But again, we've seen him with 
two eyes in the show. 

2411
01:53:23,680 --> 01:53:26,240
So I mean you're you're what 
you're saying is maybe they will

2412
01:53:26,240 --> 01:53:28,240
go ahead and take a second eye 
away later, but I. 

2413
01:53:28,600 --> 01:53:30,760
Given the possibility. 
I really don't think so. 

2414
01:53:30,760 --> 01:53:32,400
I think if they were going to do
that, they would do it here. 

2415
01:53:32,680 --> 01:53:35,400
Yeah, I think we all need to 
accept the fact that a Knight of

2416
01:53:35,400 --> 01:53:39,760
the Seven Kingdoms, Blood Raven 
is very likely to have two eyes 

2417
01:53:40,240 --> 01:53:43,960
and people are going to be mad. 
But it really doesn't have a 

2418
01:53:43,960 --> 01:53:47,280
strong bearing on him at all. 
He still kind of looks like a 

2419
01:53:47,280 --> 01:53:50,240
freak to Westeros. 
Like George still matters to it,

2420
01:53:50,240 --> 01:53:52,080
right? 
Is that he's treated worse for a

2421
01:53:52,080 --> 01:53:53,720
lot of reasons, including his 
appearance. 

2422
01:53:53,840 --> 01:53:55,960
He looks very eerie and creepy 
to people. 

2423
01:53:56,120 --> 01:53:59,040
And I think he's still and he's 
a bastard of course, but like 

2424
01:53:59,040 --> 01:54:02,000
there's a lighter, an aesthetic 
part part of it that I think 

2425
01:54:02,000 --> 01:54:04,640
also has is off putting to 
folks. 

2426
01:54:04,640 --> 01:54:07,000
Yes, so they can find other ways
to make him off putting. 

2427
01:54:07,000 --> 01:54:09,520
It's that doesn't you know, he 
can still look certain ways to 

2428
01:54:09,520 --> 01:54:10,880
make him kind of dark or 
whatever. 

2429
01:54:11,200 --> 01:54:17,120
And yeah, so we go into the so 
the the three eyed crow emerges 

2430
01:54:17,120 --> 01:54:19,080
from his face, which I thought 
was a really cool effect. 

2431
01:54:19,080 --> 01:54:22,520
We go and we sort of go into 
that eye and we emerge from the 

2432
01:54:22,520 --> 01:54:26,720
other side of it as a direwolf. 
We don't see the direwolf, but 

2433
01:54:26,880 --> 01:54:29,320
if you're sort of paying close 
attention, you can tell that 

2434
01:54:29,320 --> 01:54:32,400
it's a direwolf because it's low
and there's adding sounds and 

2435
01:54:32,400 --> 01:54:34,920
then it kind of jumps up into 
the bargain. 

2436
01:54:34,920 --> 01:54:36,320
Brand. 
White Walker here. 

2437
01:54:36,320 --> 01:54:38,920
Yeah. 
Yeah, I like someone who's like,

2438
01:54:38,920 --> 01:54:40,760
this is just like at the very 
beginning of the long night. 

2439
01:54:40,760 --> 01:54:43,120
So he doesn't look as old. 
He isn't quite as wrinkled, you 

2440
01:54:43,120 --> 01:54:44,920
know? 
But I just think something 

2441
01:54:45,240 --> 01:54:47,200
missed the bar. 
The OK, by the way, the other 

2442
01:54:47,200 --> 01:54:49,680
thing about Bloodraven I forgot 
to mention is some people have 

2443
01:54:49,680 --> 01:54:51,840
the theory that maybe they 
didn't have him missing the eye 

2444
01:54:51,840 --> 01:54:52,960
because people would think it's 
Aymond. 

2445
01:54:53,000 --> 01:54:54,520
Yeah. 
Which is like, I mean, like, 

2446
01:54:54,520 --> 01:54:57,480
sure, but like, I think that's a
happy accident. 

2447
01:54:57,480 --> 01:54:59,280
Right, right. 
I think that's more likely that 

2448
01:54:59,280 --> 01:55:01,040
it's just they had to stick with
what the first show did. 

2449
01:55:01,040 --> 01:55:02,480
They can't, they can't really 
get around that. 

2450
01:55:03,240 --> 01:55:04,240
Yeah, I think that's more 
likely. 

2451
01:55:04,240 --> 01:55:07,960
But but it does kind of work. 
Like George even had Bloodraven 

2452
01:55:08,600 --> 01:55:11,120
get good with the bow again. 
You know, even after losing his 

2453
01:55:11,120 --> 01:55:13,240
eye, he's like, well, he sucked 
at it immediately after losing 

2454
01:55:13,240 --> 01:55:14,800
his eye, but then learned it, 
relearned it. 

2455
01:55:15,320 --> 01:55:19,200
So it's like the loss of his eye
is it's really not that big a 

2456
01:55:19,200 --> 01:55:21,280
deal. 
In the BTS, they really patted 

2457
01:55:21,280 --> 01:55:23,840
themselves on the back for this 
White Walker thing and talked 

2458
01:55:23,840 --> 01:55:26,720
about like, everyone had to be 
on set to see this White Walker.

2459
01:55:27,120 --> 01:55:31,080
How how did how many people were
on that set and no one said 

2460
01:55:31,080 --> 01:55:34,120
y'all it looks bad I'm. 
Sorry, but like. 

2461
01:55:34,360 --> 01:55:37,440
I don't know how anyone can 
defend this White Walker, and it

2462
01:55:37,440 --> 01:55:39,840
doesn't really impact my 
enjoyment of the episode at all.

2463
01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:41,000
It's. 
Just one. 

2464
01:55:41,120 --> 01:55:44,960
Image yeah I still I'm pro the 
episode as a whole but I can 

2465
01:55:44,960 --> 01:55:48,640
still just be honest and be like
I laughed when I saw the picture

2466
01:55:48,640 --> 01:55:50,200
of this. 
Yeah, we're like, that looked 

2467
01:55:50,200 --> 01:55:51,480
weird. 
Yeah, it was like a little 

2468
01:55:51,480 --> 01:55:54,320
goofy. 
He's not wrinkly enough. 

2469
01:55:54,360 --> 01:55:56,360
Yeah. 
So then we move forward and we 

2470
01:55:56,360 --> 01:56:00,080
see we emerge from the die wolf 
eye view. 

2471
01:56:00,080 --> 01:56:02,520
Like I said, we have the White 
Walkers and we see this scene, 

2472
01:56:02,520 --> 01:56:05,360
which is dead Dragons, or I 
think it's multiple dead 

2473
01:56:05,360 --> 01:56:08,880
Dragons, other corpses, there's 
muck and Merc. 

2474
01:56:09,280 --> 01:56:11,720
So when we talk spoilers, I've 
got my thoughts on what the 

2475
01:56:11,720 --> 01:56:13,720
scene is, but I'm not going to 
say what it what I think it is 

2476
01:56:13,720 --> 01:56:15,840
now, because that's that's not 
for Sean's ears. 

2477
01:56:16,240 --> 01:56:18,040
But I would like to hear your 
interpretation of it. 

2478
01:56:18,400 --> 01:56:21,360
I'm scared to ask too many 
questions, but I will say I did 

2479
01:56:21,360 --> 01:56:24,560
look at this a long time trying 
to decide if I should be able to

2480
01:56:24,560 --> 01:56:26,960
recognize this dragon. 
And I didn't go through the 

2481
01:56:26,960 --> 01:56:29,280
effort of like trying to pull up
images of a bunch of other 

2482
01:56:29,280 --> 01:56:31,240
Dragons. 
One because I didn't want to 

2483
01:56:31,240 --> 01:56:34,240
accidentally spoil myself and 
two, because it's difficult. 

2484
01:56:35,200 --> 01:56:38,160
But I couldn't conclude. 
Did this look like any certain 

2485
01:56:38,160 --> 01:56:40,520
like it? 
It doesn't looks like it is not 

2486
01:56:40,520 --> 01:56:42,240
Vergar. 
It is not cracksies. 

2487
01:56:42,240 --> 01:56:44,560
It's not certain Dragons for 
sure, but I can't tell which one

2488
01:56:44,560 --> 01:56:47,840
it is. 
But also it looks to me and in 

2489
01:56:47,840 --> 01:56:51,480
the background, you know, it's 
very hazy and misty and dark, 

2490
01:56:51,480 --> 01:56:56,040
but that looks like Herrenhall 
to me, kind of just in the 

2491
01:56:56,320 --> 01:57:00,240
basically in the center above 
the dragon that looks like an 

2492
01:57:00,240 --> 01:57:01,760
outline of it. 
Looks like a castle. 

2493
01:57:01,760 --> 01:57:03,240
I'm not sure that it's 
Herrenhall, but it looks like a 

2494
01:57:03,240 --> 01:57:04,880
castle. 
I'm not sure either, but that 

2495
01:57:04,880 --> 01:57:09,640
was my best guess. 
And you know, later Helena tells

2496
01:57:09,680 --> 01:57:12,440
Amon that he's going to drowned 
into God's eye. 

2497
01:57:12,440 --> 01:57:15,080
And it seems like Damon's seeing
his own death here. 

2498
01:57:15,080 --> 01:57:16,840
So I wonder. 
And we know things are 

2499
01:57:16,840 --> 01:57:20,080
converging at Harrenhal. 
So that's kind of where my mind 

2500
01:57:20,080 --> 01:57:22,360
went for all this. 
That's right. 

2501
01:57:22,360 --> 01:57:24,160
The good, good call. 
So yeah, he's walked through the

2502
01:57:24,160 --> 01:57:26,560
carnage and then, yeah, he 
eventually plunges in himself 

2503
01:57:26,560 --> 01:57:29,120
and becomes fully immersed. 
And in the BTS, they do confirm 

2504
01:57:29,120 --> 01:57:30,760
he's seeing his own death. 
And it has to be this moment 

2505
01:57:30,760 --> 01:57:32,040
because the next thing is the 
red comet. 

2506
01:57:32,040 --> 01:57:36,480
That's not his death, right? 
So 3 eggs in the fire is the 

2507
01:57:36,480 --> 01:57:38,400
next thing we see, which is we 
were wondering what that all 

2508
01:57:38,400 --> 01:57:40,880
season long and how about that 
It is actually Daenerys. 

2509
01:57:41,200 --> 01:57:42,960
We see a couple shots of the 
comet. 

2510
01:57:43,120 --> 01:57:44,120
Yeah, a couple shots of the 
comet. 

2511
01:57:44,120 --> 01:57:46,320
Yeah, you're right. 
Then then we get so this is the 

2512
01:57:46,320 --> 01:57:49,080
future and we get the Mother of 
Dragons. 

2513
01:57:49,080 --> 01:57:51,360
This is how we know we've jumped
forward the red comet, like 

2514
01:57:51,440 --> 01:57:55,640
Damon falling into the water is 
him, but then jumping forward 

2515
01:57:55,640 --> 01:57:58,280
with the red comet and eggs in 
the fire, and then Daenerys, the

2516
01:57:58,280 --> 01:58:00,040
Mother of Dragons. 
So. 

2517
01:58:00,560 --> 01:58:03,720
But then it goes back to the 
present, which is Rainier on the

2518
01:58:03,720 --> 01:58:09,320
throne with dancing fire light 
on her crown and Damon looking 

2519
01:58:09,320 --> 01:58:11,600
up at her, and there's no 
conversation this time. 

2520
01:58:11,600 --> 01:58:16,320
There's no High Valyrian or no 
begging or pleading or or 

2521
01:58:16,320 --> 01:58:18,080
anything. 
He's just in the dream. 

2522
01:58:18,360 --> 01:58:22,520
Yeah, we're beheading or trying 
to grab the crown or any of that

2523
01:58:22,520 --> 01:58:23,480
thing. 
The crown doesn't hit the 

2524
01:58:23,480 --> 01:58:24,400
ground. 
None of that. 

2525
01:58:24,400 --> 01:58:29,320
No sewing on neck, none of these
horror scenes, Just finality. 

2526
01:58:29,600 --> 01:58:32,760
But then over his left shoulder,
just like it was for Amon's when

2527
01:58:32,760 --> 01:58:35,880
Amon was staring at the throne, 
not in a dream, but over his 

2528
01:58:35,880 --> 01:58:37,320
shoulder. 
There's there's Elena. 

2529
01:58:37,760 --> 01:58:42,160
And she says it's all a story 
and you are but one part in it. 

2530
01:58:42,400 --> 01:58:44,840
No, you know your part. 
Then he takes his hand off the 

2531
01:58:44,840 --> 01:58:46,880
tree and he still hears one last
line. 

2532
01:58:47,080 --> 01:58:48,960
You know what you must do? 
Boom. 

2533
01:58:49,400 --> 01:58:51,360
Pretty cool. 
I like that vision. 

2534
01:58:51,400 --> 01:58:54,680
You know, book versions of 
visions can do so much more 

2535
01:58:55,080 --> 01:58:57,400
because it's words. 
But this was pretty solid other 

2536
01:58:57,400 --> 01:59:01,240
than the low right white Walker.
I really like this. 

2537
01:59:01,720 --> 01:59:06,840
And I thought it was a a fitting
culmination of of Damon's long 

2538
01:59:06,840 --> 01:59:10,400
journey here. 
And we'll come back to it 

2539
01:59:10,400 --> 01:59:11,960
because we're like, we're we're 
doing this linear. 

2540
01:59:11,960 --> 01:59:16,360
So it pivots to Helena looking 
the exact same way with the same

2541
01:59:16,360 --> 01:59:19,440
expression on her face and the 
same clothes on her balcony. 

2542
01:59:19,880 --> 01:59:22,280
It's pretty sweet. 
And given that there's so much 

2543
01:59:22,280 --> 01:59:25,560
Damon Aimon parallelism in the 
show, having Aimon appear next 

2544
01:59:25,560 --> 01:59:29,520
is like, oh, you know, that's 
kind of neat too. 

2545
01:59:30,880 --> 01:59:32,600
So that's by the way, that's one
of the other things we'll want 

2546
01:59:32,600 --> 01:59:34,400
to talk about. 
The fact that Helena was present

2547
01:59:34,400 --> 01:59:37,920
in a weirwood vision is a little
unusual, but it it does speak to

2548
01:59:37,960 --> 01:59:44,840
our Sean, our long standing 
theory of different magical 

2549
01:59:44,840 --> 01:59:48,840
sources all porting into the 
same magical central, you know, 

2550
01:59:48,960 --> 01:59:52,000
repository. 
But let, but let's not get into 

2551
01:59:52,000 --> 01:59:54,200
that now, because we we've, 
we're already way over time here

2552
01:59:54,200 --> 01:59:55,880
today. 
So we'll save that for another 

2553
01:59:55,880 --> 01:59:57,920
time. 
So Eamon appears and just again 

2554
01:59:57,920 --> 02:00:00,200
tries to get her to see his way 
this time. 

2555
02:00:00,200 --> 02:00:02,440
He's like, mom doesn't 
understand us. 

2556
02:00:02,440 --> 02:00:04,040
We're dragon riders. 
We're different. 

2557
02:00:04,040 --> 02:00:06,080
She doesn't get it, but we get 
it. 

2558
02:00:06,080 --> 02:00:11,480
And she's like, no, will you 
burn me like you burned Aegon? 

2559
02:00:11,480 --> 02:00:13,600
He's like, wait, that's that's a
lie. 

2560
02:00:13,600 --> 02:00:17,040
That's treason. 
I saw it like whoa. 

2561
02:00:17,040 --> 02:00:20,440
So here we go. 
This is the first time other 

2562
02:00:20,440 --> 02:00:22,640
than in Damon's dream, like 30 
seconds before this. 

2563
02:00:22,640 --> 02:00:26,120
Where? 
Her prophecies are directly 

2564
02:00:26,120 --> 02:00:29,160
impacting people's view of her 
and changing the story, and 

2565
02:00:29,160 --> 02:00:31,680
people are acting on it. 
And so that's a big change. 

2566
02:00:31,760 --> 02:00:34,240
Is that what did you think of 
this moment there, Sean, before 

2567
02:00:34,240 --> 02:00:35,800
we even get to the rest of what 
she says? 

2568
02:00:36,080 --> 02:00:40,000
Yeah, I, I suspect, by the way, 
that Damon was or sorry Aymond 

2569
02:00:40,000 --> 02:00:44,040
was hit so hard by this because 
he I, I think maybe some other 

2570
02:00:44,040 --> 02:00:47,960
people too are kind of aware of 
her visions, that she does seem 

2571
02:00:47,960 --> 02:00:50,880
to have something supernatural 
going on. 

2572
02:00:50,880 --> 02:00:53,040
And it because it would have 
been easy for him to just 

2573
02:00:53,040 --> 02:00:55,920
dismiss it. 
So he didn't he seemed to listen

2574
02:00:55,920 --> 02:00:57,760
and and care about what she 
said. 

2575
02:00:58,120 --> 02:01:04,560
So this is the first direct on 
screen announcement of one of 

2576
02:01:04,560 --> 02:01:06,800
her visions. 
But I suspect that he has 

2577
02:01:06,800 --> 02:01:10,920
observed or heard or had her 
tell things in the past that he 

2578
02:01:10,920 --> 02:01:15,080
may be similar to Damon kind of 
blew off, but still living his 

2579
02:01:15,080 --> 02:01:16,240
head rent free. 
Does that make? 

2580
02:01:16,320 --> 02:01:19,240
Sense the next line is Aegon 
will be king again. 

2581
02:01:19,360 --> 02:01:21,840
He sits on a wooden throne. 
He has yet to see victory. 

2582
02:01:21,840 --> 02:01:24,720
And you, you'll be dead. 
You were swallowed up in the 

2583
02:01:24,720 --> 02:01:29,520
God's eye and never seen again. 
And he just he's so back footed 

2584
02:01:29,520 --> 02:01:31,040
by this. 
He's so blown away. 

2585
02:01:31,120 --> 02:01:33,440
This is when his eye starts to 
like cloud up a little. 

2586
02:01:33,440 --> 02:01:35,400
He's almost crying. 
And he's like, I could have you 

2587
02:01:35,400 --> 02:01:36,840
killed. 
He's just so doesn't know what 

2588
02:01:36,840 --> 02:01:38,480
to do. 
It's just so like final. 

2589
02:01:38,480 --> 02:01:41,120
And he can't make an argument 
here. 

2590
02:01:41,120 --> 02:01:45,240
He's just he's just faced with a
person that can see the future 

2591
02:01:45,240 --> 02:01:47,240
that he didn't know could this 
was possible. 

2592
02:01:47,240 --> 02:01:49,560
And she's telling him that he's 
it's all hopeless for him. 

2593
02:01:49,560 --> 02:01:50,760
Like it wouldn't change 
anything. 

2594
02:01:51,120 --> 02:01:53,960
Wow. 
But very dark, right? 

2595
02:01:53,960 --> 02:01:56,720
Like this is a guy that lashes 
out when he's thwarted, and he's

2596
02:01:56,720 --> 02:01:59,640
been thwarted repeatedly, and 
now he's thwarted by like the 

2597
02:01:59,640 --> 02:02:03,840
heavens themself. 
Like it's terrifying to think of

2598
02:02:03,840 --> 02:02:05,600
how he might react to this in 
the long term. 

2599
02:02:06,080 --> 02:02:09,120
Yeah, I just wanted to talk 
about this scene a lot. 

2600
02:02:09,120 --> 02:02:12,600
Everyone who listens to the 
podcast knows I love the I love 

2601
02:02:12,600 --> 02:02:14,960
thinking about the Helena Amond 
dynamic. 

2602
02:02:14,960 --> 02:02:16,480
And you might wonder, did I love
it? 

2603
02:02:16,480 --> 02:02:18,160
Did I hate it? 
I loved it. 

2604
02:02:18,320 --> 02:02:22,520
I this is like the darkness that
I wanted from this dynamic. 

2605
02:02:22,520 --> 02:02:24,880
And you can tell how heartbroken
he is. 

2606
02:02:25,080 --> 02:02:28,120
He I think he really thought he 
would he would talk to her. 

2607
02:02:28,120 --> 02:02:30,920
She would see reason. 
They would fly off together and 

2608
02:02:30,920 --> 02:02:33,720
win this war. 
And he had this this kind of 

2609
02:02:33,880 --> 02:02:37,160
childish fantasy, immature 
fantasy of what he thought it 

2610
02:02:37,160 --> 02:02:38,400
would be. 
And he doesn't really know his 

2611
02:02:38,400 --> 02:02:41,400
sister that well, like he 
thought, and he just thinks of 

2612
02:02:41,400 --> 02:02:43,960
her again as an object, just 
like Dwayne kind of thought of 

2613
02:02:43,960 --> 02:02:46,680
his sister Allison as an object 
and doesn't see her as a person.

2614
02:02:46,680 --> 02:02:48,840
And I just thought it was so 
rich. 

2615
02:02:49,000 --> 02:02:54,040
I loved so much about it. 
I had made me want to reconsider

2616
02:02:54,040 --> 02:02:57,080
every scene with Helena. 
And when she's speaking, is she 

2617
02:02:57,080 --> 02:02:59,400
speaking to Blood Raven? 
Is she speaking to Bran? 

2618
02:02:59,400 --> 02:03:01,800
Is she speaking to someone in 
the net, you know, like Alice? 

2619
02:03:02,560 --> 02:03:04,680
It really makes you think about 
every scene with her 

2620
02:03:04,680 --> 02:03:06,520
differently. 
So I loved all of that. 

2621
02:03:07,760 --> 02:03:12,440
I don't love her just saying 
what happens to Amond. 

2622
02:03:12,440 --> 02:03:16,480
I prefer it when she's a little 
bit more vague with it, both as 

2623
02:03:16,480 --> 02:03:20,440
a viewer and for show people and
as AI Don't know. 

2624
02:03:21,800 --> 02:03:25,040
Yeah, if I had to give my 
criticism, I, I didn't love it 

2625
02:03:25,040 --> 02:03:27,960
being so on the nose and so 
clear. 

2626
02:03:28,360 --> 02:03:33,040
I, I, I, I have to see how Amond
reacts in season three to 

2627
02:03:33,040 --> 02:03:36,440
knowing this and how he speaks 
to people that he might interact

2628
02:03:36,440 --> 02:03:39,000
with. 
The jury is out for me on 

2629
02:03:39,000 --> 02:03:41,880
whether that was like an 
effective choice or whether it 

2630
02:03:41,880 --> 02:03:44,160
kind of makes everything seem 
futile. 

2631
02:03:44,240 --> 02:03:45,600
Yeah, it might make him lash out
more. 

2632
02:03:45,600 --> 02:03:47,920
It might have the effect of 
making him worse because like 

2633
02:03:48,080 --> 02:03:51,360
when he he goes and burns sharp 
port, when he's defeated, slash 

2634
02:03:51,360 --> 02:03:53,280
embarrassed or outmaneuvered or 
whatever. 

2635
02:03:53,400 --> 02:03:55,960
This is like his being told his 
whole life is going to be that 

2636
02:03:55,960 --> 02:03:57,840
his whole life is a failure. 
You're not going to win. 

2637
02:03:58,200 --> 02:04:00,840
Like that's just that's so 
heavy. 

2638
02:04:01,200 --> 02:04:03,560
Yeah, so I'm you're right. 
It's it's so much depends on how

2639
02:04:03,560 --> 02:04:06,920
he reacts to this. 
Just knowing that like you, you 

2640
02:04:07,360 --> 02:04:10,120
put yourself through so much. 
As he said, he studied, he 

2641
02:04:10,120 --> 02:04:12,560
worked, he thinks he deserves 
it, lost his eye. 

2642
02:04:12,560 --> 02:04:16,200
He has the biggest dragon. 
And now the person he thinks, 

2643
02:04:16,200 --> 02:04:18,440
the only person he thinks who 
should understand him and 

2644
02:04:18,440 --> 02:04:22,640
support him is saying, no, 
you're wrong, you're going to 

2645
02:04:22,640 --> 02:04:24,680
die. 
God, that's hard. 

2646
02:04:24,680 --> 02:04:27,480
That's hard for him. 
So one thing about the prophecy,

2647
02:04:27,480 --> 02:04:30,440
one thing you can, I don't know,
get away with and still be 

2648
02:04:30,440 --> 02:04:32,000
vague. 
And any prophecy is saying 

2649
02:04:32,320 --> 02:04:34,920
you'll be dead. 
Well, yeah, everyone's gonna die

2650
02:04:34,920 --> 02:04:38,400
eventually. 
Is he gonna be dead from old age

2651
02:04:38,400 --> 02:04:40,800
after? 
He said you'll no, she said 

2652
02:04:40,800 --> 02:04:43,720
you'll be swallowed in the gods 
by she gave a specific Yeah. 

2653
02:04:43,840 --> 02:04:45,720
That that does make it more 
specific. 

2654
02:04:45,760 --> 02:04:48,480
And she said after Aegon 
returns, she said after before 

2655
02:04:48,480 --> 02:04:50,880
Aegon returns, you'll be dead. 
So it's not far in the future, I

2656
02:04:50,880 --> 02:04:53,200
don't think. 
She says Aegon will be king 

2657
02:04:53,200 --> 02:04:55,000
again, he'll sit in a wooden 
throne. 

2658
02:04:55,000 --> 02:04:57,400
He is yet to see victory and you
you'll be dead. 

2659
02:04:57,720 --> 02:05:02,680
So again, I the whole point of 
prophecies is they're vague and 

2660
02:05:02,680 --> 02:05:04,960
Shea is pointing out this one 
maybe is a little too specific 

2661
02:05:04,960 --> 02:05:08,960
but even a specific it is Aegon.
I don't expect this, but I'm 

2662
02:05:08,960 --> 02:05:12,080
just saying if Amon wants to 
find a way in his mind to 

2663
02:05:12,080 --> 02:05:14,240
interpret the prophecy, like 
we're like, yeah, Aegon will 

2664
02:05:14,240 --> 02:05:19,280
return in 30 years and I'll be 
swallowed into this God die by, 

2665
02:05:19,960 --> 02:05:22,560
you know, a flood that happens 
when I'm helping rebuild 

2666
02:05:22,560 --> 02:05:25,800
Herrenhal. 
Aiming the rebuilder of 

2667
02:05:25,800 --> 02:05:29,320
Herrenhal, yeah. 
Can I point out the the the line

2668
02:05:29,320 --> 02:05:32,800
I did like of hers when she says
Aegon will sit on a wooden 

2669
02:05:32,800 --> 02:05:35,240
throne? 
He hasn't seen victory yet. 

2670
02:05:35,520 --> 02:05:39,960
Because I felt that that was a 
little bit nicely, it was less, 

2671
02:05:39,960 --> 02:05:43,120
it was less clear, but it makes 
sense. 

2672
02:05:43,120 --> 02:05:47,680
Aegon can't can't walk as well 
anymore that he would sit in a 

2673
02:05:47,680 --> 02:05:50,040
chair or a wheelchair, a wooden 
throne. 

2674
02:05:50,200 --> 02:05:52,200
But I want to bring it to the 
other thing that it made me 

2675
02:05:52,200 --> 02:05:56,240
think of, which is that Helena 
might have seen something to do 

2676
02:05:56,240 --> 02:05:59,480
with Bran, Bran Stark, who was 
in like a wheelchair and a 

2677
02:05:59,480 --> 02:06:03,760
wooden throne of the tree. 
And if she had, if she she maybe

2678
02:06:03,760 --> 02:06:07,680
has interpreted her vision 
slightly incorrectly still, or 

2679
02:06:07,680 --> 02:06:10,600
maybe she did correctly see 
Aegon gets a wheelchair, but I 

2680
02:06:10,600 --> 02:06:13,320
wanted to throw that out there. 
For now, he's sitting in the 

2681
02:06:13,320 --> 02:06:15,880
carriage, which is a wooden 
throne of of sorts, too. 

2682
02:06:16,440 --> 02:06:18,360
I wonder if that might be what 
he was referring to. 

2683
02:06:18,400 --> 02:06:21,280
Yeah, he might be in a a 
carriage of some sort for years,

2684
02:06:21,320 --> 02:06:23,040
right? 
Yeah, absolutely. 

2685
02:06:23,040 --> 02:06:28,600
Yeah. 
So it's an interesting set of 

2686
02:06:28,600 --> 02:06:30,600
comments for sure. 
Like a Shaya said, we have, 

2687
02:06:30,600 --> 02:06:31,840
we'll have more to say on it 
later. 

2688
02:06:31,840 --> 02:06:33,600
We'll have to consider keep 
thinking about it. 

2689
02:06:33,600 --> 02:06:37,120
I'm sure we'll have some more 
thoughts later, but we go back 

2690
02:06:37,120 --> 02:06:39,720
to Harrenhal, Cyrax and Sea 
Smoke arrive. 

2691
02:06:39,720 --> 02:06:42,200
We were really looking forward 
to this scene all season long. 

2692
02:06:42,200 --> 02:06:44,600
We were like, wow, it looks like
Rainier is flying to Harrenhal. 

2693
02:06:44,600 --> 02:06:46,400
We got the God's eye there. 
It was a beautiful shot. 

2694
02:06:46,600 --> 02:06:49,240
We didn't know Sea Smoke was 
part of it until the trailer, 

2695
02:06:49,520 --> 02:06:52,080
but that adds a lot to it. 
Another example of the really 

2696
02:06:52,080 --> 02:06:55,440
good transitions because we go 
from her Elena telling Aymond 

2697
02:06:55,440 --> 02:06:58,720
you will die in the God's eye, 
the shot of the God's. 

2698
02:06:58,720 --> 02:07:01,040
Eye. 
Good point, very good catch. 

2699
02:07:01,040 --> 02:07:03,520
Yeah, I totally glossed over 
that for some reason. 

2700
02:07:03,920 --> 02:07:07,800
Now sea smoke stays in the air 
the whole scene, which 

2701
02:07:08,240 --> 02:07:10,360
presumably is to guard against 
worst case scenario, like 

2702
02:07:10,360 --> 02:07:12,560
Rainier is going into an 
uncertain situation here. 

2703
02:07:12,560 --> 02:07:15,520
And you know, there's nothing 
like a an extra dragon up in the

2704
02:07:15,520 --> 02:07:17,040
air to make sure things don't go
wrong. 

2705
02:07:17,400 --> 02:07:19,720
Someone had a like a a fall back
plan, right? 

2706
02:07:20,160 --> 02:07:23,720
But I was a little disappointed 
that it didn't come up at all. 

2707
02:07:23,720 --> 02:07:26,360
Like Damon and Rainier didn't 
discuss this new dragon. 

2708
02:07:26,360 --> 02:07:28,760
She's like, who is that? 
You know, let me tell you. 

2709
02:07:28,760 --> 02:07:31,880
That's that's that's Adam of 
Hull on sea smoke. 

2710
02:07:32,120 --> 02:07:34,400
Damon didn't even act like. 
Damon wasn't outside. 

2711
02:07:34,560 --> 02:07:35,640
He was inside. 
He didn't even. 

2712
02:07:35,640 --> 02:07:37,000
He has no clue. 
He didn't see it. 

2713
02:07:37,120 --> 02:07:38,720
He's like, you'd think she would
bring that up. 

2714
02:07:38,720 --> 02:07:40,680
Like by the way, I've got a 
bunch of new dragon riders now. 

2715
02:07:40,680 --> 02:07:42,640
Like either way, that 
conversation didn't happen and I

2716
02:07:42,640 --> 02:07:44,640
kind of wanted it to, but 
whatever, not a big deal. 

2717
02:07:44,880 --> 02:07:48,240
I still love the scene. 
I wish it had been included in 

2718
02:07:48,240 --> 02:07:52,800
some way, but I can imagine that
Damon is being updated from 

2719
02:07:52,800 --> 02:07:55,440
Dragonstone even though he's not
sending updates. 

2720
02:07:55,440 --> 02:07:56,560
That's true. 
You're right. 

2721
02:07:56,560 --> 02:07:58,600
They have been saying that 
pretty much all along, that 

2722
02:07:58,600 --> 02:07:59,760
they've been sending messages to
Damon. 

2723
02:07:59,760 --> 02:08:01,800
He's not responding back. 
So yeah, that's a fairpoint. 

2724
02:08:01,800 --> 02:08:03,840
Maybe he does already know. 
Either way, it would have been 

2725
02:08:03,840 --> 02:08:06,360
cool to have them talk about it.
But, you know, not a big. 

2726
02:08:06,360 --> 02:08:09,160
Yeah, just one line of him 
acknowledging, hey, good job or?

2727
02:08:09,160 --> 02:08:11,680
Whatever, you know, I love how 
Cyrax follows her. 

2728
02:08:11,680 --> 02:08:14,240
She leaves Cyrax outside, but 
she jumps up on the rafters 

2729
02:08:14,240 --> 02:08:16,560
there and is like looking down 
over them as the army's all 

2730
02:08:16,560 --> 02:08:18,200
gathered. 
That was pretty cool. 

2731
02:08:18,480 --> 02:08:20,560
So Rainier is like, or Damon's 
like. 

2732
02:08:20,560 --> 02:08:22,360
Well, I didn't expect to see you
here. 

2733
02:08:22,360 --> 02:08:25,560
You know, he's like, looks like 
you've done pretty well here for

2734
02:08:25,560 --> 02:08:28,200
yourself. 
And like, they're sworn to me. 

2735
02:08:28,200 --> 02:08:30,920
He's like, and she, I love this.
She steps back and says, and to 

2736
02:08:30,920 --> 02:08:33,920
whom are you sworn? 
It was a very good way to do it,

2737
02:08:33,920 --> 02:08:36,440
nice and efficient and puts him 
on the spot there. 

2738
02:08:37,200 --> 02:08:39,920
And he approaches her and speaks
High Valyrian and says, the 

2739
02:08:39,920 --> 02:08:41,440
world is not what we thought it 
was. 

2740
02:08:41,640 --> 02:08:43,880
Winter is coming. 
We cannot stand against it, but 

2741
02:08:43,880 --> 02:08:47,440
somehow we must. 
And High Valyrian. 

2742
02:08:47,440 --> 02:08:50,480
And she's like, you sound like 
my father. 

2743
02:08:50,480 --> 02:08:52,560
This is the this is the first of
two times she's going to be 

2744
02:08:52,560 --> 02:08:55,760
completely surprised by one of 
her closest people in her life 

2745
02:08:55,760 --> 02:08:58,160
saying something a big turn. 
Like she's going to be very 

2746
02:08:58,160 --> 02:09:00,840
surprised at what Allison says. 
She's very surprised at Damon 

2747
02:09:00,960 --> 02:09:04,160
saying these things. 
Like Damon being about the 

2748
02:09:04,160 --> 02:09:06,560
prophecy is like what? 
Like last time I brought this 

2749
02:09:06,560 --> 02:09:09,680
up, you choked me, you know, 
like this is she says, you sound

2750
02:09:09,680 --> 02:09:11,680
like my father. 
He goes further with it. 

2751
02:09:11,680 --> 02:09:16,560
He's like, yeah, your father 
chose you to steward all this. 

2752
02:09:17,400 --> 02:09:20,120
So yeah, I'm. 
He says I saw it like, kind of 

2753
02:09:20,120 --> 02:09:23,960
like how Elena says I, I saw it,
you know, or I saw you. 

2754
02:09:23,960 --> 02:09:27,560
It's very similar and it's 
really great. 

2755
02:09:27,560 --> 02:09:30,480
Yeah. 
It's almost the opposite of old 

2756
02:09:30,480 --> 02:09:34,520
saying the perfectly wrong 
things to Jace Damon is saying 

2757
02:09:34,520 --> 02:09:38,240
the perfectly correct things to.
Exactly what she wanted to hear.

2758
02:09:38,240 --> 02:09:39,600
Yeah, yeah, I love it. 
And she's. 

2759
02:09:39,720 --> 02:09:42,280
She doesn't want to, like, 
celebrate too much because she's

2760
02:09:42,280 --> 02:09:43,680
happy, but she's still to be 
queenly. 

2761
02:09:43,680 --> 02:09:47,240
So she's like, leave me again at
your peril. 

2762
02:09:47,480 --> 02:09:49,600
And he's like, I could never. 
I tried. 

2763
02:09:50,400 --> 02:09:51,800
Well, that's great. 
I love that response. 

2764
02:09:51,800 --> 02:09:54,120
That's really good. 
And then he hypes up the troops.

2765
02:09:54,120 --> 02:09:56,600
The roar is huge. 
They're all for her. 

2766
02:09:56,600 --> 02:09:58,840
It's great. 
You know, 100 for every one of 

2767
02:09:58,840 --> 02:09:59,760
us who follows 100. 
Yeah. 

2768
02:09:59,760 --> 02:10:02,240
He, I mean, when he gets, once 
he gets past the politicking, 

2769
02:10:02,240 --> 02:10:04,880
he's very good at leading the 
actual soldiers like this 

2770
02:10:04,880 --> 02:10:08,360
party's really good at Alfred 
Broome likes moves to the back. 

2771
02:10:08,360 --> 02:10:09,760
Like, yeah, you see, he walks 
out. 

2772
02:10:09,760 --> 02:10:12,320
He leaves right there, as I 
would too, if I were him. 

2773
02:10:12,800 --> 02:10:15,360
Also, I want to shout out to 
Simon Strong's reactions. 

2774
02:10:15,360 --> 02:10:18,360
His his face, he's like. 
Shocked it was a little bit like

2775
02:10:18,360 --> 02:10:22,600
Otto's slow clap at the dinner. 
You know, he's like over Helena 

2776
02:10:22,600 --> 02:10:25,080
like it was it was more of a 
mini clap, but Simon's was more 

2777
02:10:25,080 --> 02:10:28,240
of a slow clap, like a but not a
sarcastic one. 

2778
02:10:28,240 --> 02:10:30,520
Like normally the slow clap 
often is a sarcastic one, but 

2779
02:10:30,520 --> 02:10:32,440
he's like, all right, this is 
going. 

2780
02:10:32,720 --> 02:10:34,160
Well, like, I can't believe 
this. 

2781
02:10:34,160 --> 02:10:36,200
I guess I should applaud. 
Yeah, he's like, all right, 

2782
02:10:36,200 --> 02:10:38,800
well, that hell, that went way 
better than I thought. 

2783
02:10:38,800 --> 02:10:41,800
All right, so Rainier has 
overcome, but also relieved. 

2784
02:10:42,840 --> 02:10:44,200
It's huge. 
Like, we were talking about how 

2785
02:10:44,200 --> 02:10:45,880
she had a Navy and an Air Force,
but no Army. 

2786
02:10:45,960 --> 02:10:47,680
Now she does. 
Maybe she doesn't have to burn 

2787
02:10:47,680 --> 02:10:49,520
landsport and Old Town now. 
What do you think, Sean? 

2788
02:10:49,520 --> 02:10:51,800
Is she still going to do that, 
or is maybe that that changes 

2789
02:10:51,800 --> 02:10:54,280
things? 
Not imminently, I hope. 

2790
02:10:55,000 --> 02:10:59,200
I, I, I can imagine still 
sending the Dragons to those 

2791
02:10:59,200 --> 02:11:02,720
cities just as a threat. 
Just let them be seen. 

2792
02:11:02,720 --> 02:11:06,920
Like just that in and of itself.
She even said herself she hoped 

2793
02:11:07,000 --> 02:11:09,920
that the Dragons would be enough
to stay the enemy's hand. 

2794
02:11:09,920 --> 02:11:12,840
I think that was the close to 
the the line that she said that 

2795
02:11:13,080 --> 02:11:16,680
just having these superior 
numbers hopefully would be 

2796
02:11:16,680 --> 02:11:19,240
enough for them to be like, oh, 
we can't win anymore. 

2797
02:11:19,240 --> 02:11:21,400
But it doesn't seem like that's 
going to do it. 

2798
02:11:21,840 --> 02:11:23,040
And Aemon went and burned a 
city. 

2799
02:11:23,040 --> 02:11:26,320
So yeah, I guess we're going to 
have to actually strike, if you 

2800
02:11:26,320 --> 02:11:30,000
will. 
So she goes back to Dragonstone.

2801
02:11:30,000 --> 02:11:32,280
Mazaria and Raniera have a 
conversation. 

2802
02:11:32,280 --> 02:11:35,000
Looks like Sea Smoke and Cyrax 
were kind of playing in the air 

2803
02:11:35,000 --> 02:11:36,360
there. 
I think that's who that was, but

2804
02:11:36,360 --> 02:11:37,640
I'm not sure if that's who that 
was. 

2805
02:11:38,280 --> 02:11:41,200
If anyone has different idea on 
which Dragons those was, I'd be 

2806
02:11:41,200 --> 02:11:42,680
curious. 
But you know, not the most 

2807
02:11:42,680 --> 02:11:45,320
important thing, but it's worthy
curiosity. 

2808
02:11:45,920 --> 02:11:48,680
Now, Missouri is worrying me 
here that she's like, as I 

2809
02:11:48,680 --> 02:11:53,160
alluded to before, she's kind of
encouraging Rainier to do some 

2810
02:11:53,160 --> 02:11:56,040
of her worst things. 
She's basically telling Rainier 

2811
02:11:56,040 --> 02:11:57,520
that you can't do anything 
wrong. 

2812
02:11:58,000 --> 02:12:00,960
The gods are on your side. 
So like all your actions are 

2813
02:12:00,960 --> 02:12:03,480
approved by the gods, which is 
really you don't want that much 

2814
02:12:03,480 --> 02:12:04,560
leeway. 
You don't want that like 

2815
02:12:04,720 --> 02:12:06,680
approval of all atrocities ahead
of time. 

2816
02:12:06,680 --> 02:12:09,680
Like it's the. 
Other way around. 

2817
02:12:09,680 --> 02:12:12,160
The gods are on your side 
because you're doing the right 

2818
02:12:12,160 --> 02:12:13,280
thing. 
I. 

2819
02:12:13,280 --> 02:12:15,080
Hope so, but. 
Cause and effect. 

2820
02:12:15,360 --> 02:12:19,120
So and she's got a like a not a 
point, but what she means is 

2821
02:12:19,120 --> 02:12:21,880
like everything's working out 
now, like the the gods just gave

2822
02:12:21,880 --> 02:12:24,480
you more dragon riders in a way 
that seems impossible. 

2823
02:12:24,760 --> 02:12:27,720
Damon's now just suddenly on 
your side because of a vision, 

2824
02:12:28,360 --> 02:12:31,080
right? 
Like that's this is all. 

2825
02:12:31,080 --> 02:12:32,800
Everything is supernatural about
this. 

2826
02:12:32,800 --> 02:12:35,320
It didn't seem possible. 
So the impossible is becoming 

2827
02:12:35,320 --> 02:12:39,840
possible in multiple ways in 
Dragons and Damon's behavior and

2828
02:12:39,840 --> 02:12:44,640
prophecies. 
So it's not too hard to see why 

2829
02:12:44,640 --> 02:12:48,560
this is getting more and more 
like to her head. 

2830
02:12:48,560 --> 02:12:50,840
Like, yeah, all these things are
going her way. 

2831
02:12:51,280 --> 02:12:54,480
Oh, I was going to ask, did you 
clock the during the Raniera and

2832
02:12:54,480 --> 02:12:57,600
Damon reunion? 
They're like, he tries to like 

2833
02:12:57,600 --> 02:12:59,920
do that thing that they do kind 
of in their, their wedding 

2834
02:12:59,920 --> 02:13:02,720
ceremony where they put their 
heads together and she, she 

2835
02:13:02,720 --> 02:13:04,480
rebuffs him. 
She kind of says, no. 

2836
02:13:04,480 --> 02:13:05,920
I mean, it's not the time 
really. 

2837
02:13:06,040 --> 02:13:09,160
So I don't know that I want to 
read into it, but I, I, I mean, 

2838
02:13:09,160 --> 02:13:12,880
she does theoretically have a 
lover at Dragonstone and is not 

2839
02:13:12,880 --> 02:13:16,160
trying to, maybe she wants Damon
on her side, but not in her bed.

2840
02:13:16,160 --> 02:13:18,000
I don't know. 
Maybe he hasn't fully forgiven 

2841
02:13:18,000 --> 02:13:20,360
her, or maybe or she hasn't 
fully forgiven him, or maybe she

2842
02:13:20,360 --> 02:13:21,920
just doesn't want to show that 
to other people. 

2843
02:13:22,360 --> 02:13:24,840
Yeah, that remind, I'm glad that
reminded you of the the wedding.

2844
02:13:24,920 --> 02:13:27,120
Good thing too. 
I like it, was very similar in 

2845
02:13:27,120 --> 02:13:28,960
the shot. 
I had to watch it a few times to

2846
02:13:28,960 --> 02:13:30,600
see what's going on there. 
But yeah, like I thought maybe 

2847
02:13:30,600 --> 02:13:32,360
at first, the first time I saw 
it, I thought it was just just 

2848
02:13:32,400 --> 02:13:33,880
like, like they had a moment, 
but I didn't. 

2849
02:13:34,000 --> 02:13:37,040
I didn't tact at first that she 
stirred away first. 

2850
02:13:37,160 --> 02:13:38,440
But yeah, so I agree with you 
there. 

2851
02:13:38,520 --> 02:13:42,760
I just so you know, I, I didn't 
pause, play, pause, play it, but

2852
02:13:42,760 --> 02:13:48,640
I did take note of that and I 
couldn't decide who was veering 

2853
02:13:48,640 --> 02:13:50,080
off. 
I couldn't just, it seemed like 

2854
02:13:50,080 --> 02:13:52,280
they were both leaning in to do 
it, but then didn't. 

2855
02:13:52,280 --> 02:13:55,480
I couldn't decide it was because
Damon maybe realizes an 

2856
02:13:55,480 --> 02:13:57,960
appropriate need to turn to the 
crowd or she backed off because 

2857
02:13:57,960 --> 02:13:59,400
she didn't want that public 
show. 

2858
02:14:00,840 --> 02:14:02,840
I I didn't even consider till 
just now when you guys are 

2859
02:14:02,840 --> 02:14:05,040
bringing up that it might have 
be connected to her emotional 

2860
02:14:05,040 --> 02:14:07,440
attachment to Massaria. 
I didn't even think of that. 

2861
02:14:07,600 --> 02:14:10,040
Could be, could be. 
So, yeah. 

2862
02:14:10,040 --> 02:14:12,120
Does Massaria believe her own 
lines here? 

2863
02:14:12,120 --> 02:14:14,360
Does she really believe that the
gods are on Rainier aside? 

2864
02:14:14,360 --> 02:14:16,160
Like, that's another part of me 
that thinks this is a little bit

2865
02:14:16,160 --> 02:14:19,040
manipulative because I don't 
know that she actually genuinely

2866
02:14:19,040 --> 02:14:20,760
believes that. 
I think she's just saying that 

2867
02:14:20,760 --> 02:14:23,920
to pump Rainier up to give her 
confidence, which isn't 

2868
02:14:24,040 --> 02:14:27,120
necessarily super dark, but 
definitely just saying, yeah, go

2869
02:14:27,120 --> 02:14:28,240
ahead. 
Whatever war crimes you need to 

2870
02:14:28,240 --> 02:14:30,160
do, that's fine because you must
prevail. 

2871
02:14:30,160 --> 02:14:31,680
You're the good guy. 
So you have to win. 

2872
02:14:31,680 --> 02:14:33,680
Like, well, if you do whatever 
you're not, are you actually the

2873
02:14:33,680 --> 02:14:35,200
good guy or are you just as bad 
as them? 

2874
02:14:36,120 --> 02:14:37,800
Rainier points out how many 
innocents will suffer. 

2875
02:14:37,800 --> 02:14:38,960
This is what you said earlier, 
Sean. 

2876
02:14:38,960 --> 02:14:42,000
She was like, expressing some 
regrets or some doubts, like, 

2877
02:14:42,000 --> 02:14:44,640
but who's going to suffer? 
The innocents Will Mazaria says.

2878
02:14:45,400 --> 02:14:50,920
But that's OK because in the 
long run, you're a person of 

2879
02:14:50,920 --> 02:14:53,160
peace and they're people of 
power. 

2880
02:14:53,400 --> 02:14:55,960
So in the long run, it's better 
for you to be on the throne, 

2881
02:14:55,960 --> 02:14:58,040
even if a lot of people die in 
that process. 

2882
02:14:58,040 --> 02:15:00,800
Which in a nutshell, that 
argument isn't terrible, but 

2883
02:15:00,800 --> 02:15:02,800
like, well, you can definitely 
go too far with it. 

2884
02:15:02,800 --> 02:15:05,360
Like it's, it's not just like an
automatic, like there's a 

2885
02:15:05,360 --> 02:15:08,240
slippery slope there. 
That was, again, I've expressed 

2886
02:15:08,920 --> 02:15:12,320
something I thought along this 
line a couple times, but if 

2887
02:15:12,320 --> 02:15:18,400
Ranira in war taxi cities but 
does minimal damage and minimal 

2888
02:15:18,400 --> 02:15:22,240
casualty, she finds targets that
don't have huge population 

2889
02:15:22,240 --> 02:15:26,240
centers or lets the Dragons, you
know, rotate around two or three

2890
02:15:26,240 --> 02:15:28,600
times before they go down and 
stride to get people a chance to

2891
02:15:28,600 --> 02:15:31,160
evacuate. 
Like where Emma just goes after 

2892
02:15:31,160 --> 02:15:36,440
city and burns it to the ground,
especially if they win like it 

2893
02:15:36,440 --> 02:15:40,160
if if, if she can get the the 
Lords of Old Town and 

2894
02:15:40,160 --> 02:15:43,600
Atlantisport whoever to bend the
knee and Amon has no more 

2895
02:15:43,600 --> 02:15:46,480
support in the war ends. 
Like, you know, I I think 

2896
02:15:46,480 --> 02:15:50,360
Missouri is, you know, if you 
look at it very coldly, very 

2897
02:15:50,360 --> 02:15:55,480
auto Hightower, like ironic for 
Massaria to what way gets the 

2898
02:15:55,480 --> 02:15:58,760
least people killed? 
You, your methods and you 

2899
02:15:58,760 --> 02:16:00,520
winning will get the least 
people killed. 

2900
02:16:00,520 --> 02:16:04,680
So I guess you should do it. 
It sucks that anyone has to be 

2901
02:16:04,680 --> 02:16:08,000
killed, but given we're at war 
and Dragons are going to kill 

2902
02:16:08,000 --> 02:16:12,080
and you know, given the way it's
going, it's better for you to be

2903
02:16:12,080 --> 02:16:16,560
in charge both of these armies 
and after the war is over 

2904
02:16:16,560 --> 02:16:19,560
because you are a good person 
and will kill less people if you

2905
02:16:19,560 --> 02:16:21,520
can. 
That that's how I want to read 

2906
02:16:21,520 --> 02:16:24,560
what Missari is saying and what 
what I hope will happen is this 

2907
02:16:24,560 --> 02:16:26,160
shit. 
We go back to the last shot I 

2908
02:16:26,160 --> 02:16:28,000
show you. 
I wonder if that ship is 

2909
02:16:28,000 --> 02:16:28,880
supposed to be Allison. 
Yeah. 

2910
02:16:28,880 --> 02:16:30,280
Definitely. 
That's the whole point is like 

2911
02:16:30,280 --> 02:16:33,879
Mazaria looks and like, oh, it's
her other, like her real true 

2912
02:16:33,879 --> 02:16:35,680
love. 
I didn't catch that is Allison. 

2913
02:16:35,680 --> 02:16:40,040
And it's like the kind of the 
that is the spanner in the works

2914
02:16:40,040 --> 02:16:44,320
of Mazaria's like grip on 
Rainiera is Allison and her 

2915
02:16:44,320 --> 02:16:46,160
influence. 
I think it's extra meaningful 

2916
02:16:46,160 --> 02:16:49,840
that it's like a shot of Mazaria
looking over and seeing the ship

2917
02:16:49,840 --> 02:16:51,400
coming. 
But yeah, that's Allison 

2918
02:16:51,400 --> 02:16:53,080
arriving. 
And I wanted to bring up about 

2919
02:16:53,080 --> 02:16:55,600
the Dragons. 
Some people in the chat, I think

2920
02:16:55,600 --> 02:16:59,520
what I think that this is Vermax
and Moon Dancer based on the 

2921
02:16:59,520 --> 02:17:04,040
wing color and the fact of like 
Bella and Jace being together 

2922
02:17:04,040 --> 02:17:06,920
and that their Dragons might be 
a little bit bonded and paired 

2923
02:17:06,920 --> 02:17:08,719
and be playing with one another 
I think it looks like. 

2924
02:17:08,760 --> 02:17:10,680
That's what I thought at the 
trailer and then I changed my 

2925
02:17:10,680 --> 02:17:12,600
mind after seeing them fly 
together and was like, maybe 

2926
02:17:12,600 --> 02:17:14,879
just still see Smoke and Cyrax 
because they've been hanging out

2927
02:17:14,879 --> 02:17:17,000
a lot lately. 
But but yeah, I. 

2928
02:17:17,040 --> 02:17:19,799
Think I'm totally down Sir. 
It's pairings like it would be 

2929
02:17:19,799 --> 02:17:23,080
Sea Smoke and Cyrax where it 
would be Vermax and Moon Dancer 

2930
02:17:23,080 --> 02:17:25,320
and we don't think it's Silver 
Ring and Vermouth they're. 

2931
02:17:25,320 --> 02:17:26,559
Too small for that, yeah. 
Exactly. 

2932
02:17:27,240 --> 02:17:29,000
So that's why if you're 
wondering what we don't think 

2933
02:17:29,000 --> 02:17:32,440
it's that third pairing, but 
there are three kind of pairings

2934
02:17:32,440 --> 02:17:35,040
of Dragons right now. 
Like they all kind of have their

2935
02:17:35,040 --> 02:17:36,840
their their buddy system. 
That's true. 

2936
02:17:38,160 --> 02:17:40,520
So it's a bit of a role reversal
from the last time we discussed 

2937
02:17:40,520 --> 02:17:43,160
the Master of Whispers and their
monarchs because we had less 

2938
02:17:43,160 --> 02:17:46,200
trust of Larry's initial goals. 
But now it's like, well, I don't

2939
02:17:46,200 --> 02:17:48,040
know about his long term plan, 
but the getting out of King's 

2940
02:17:48,040 --> 02:17:51,120
Landing, absolutely. 
Like, you can't beat Rainier's 

2941
02:17:51,120 --> 02:17:52,480
Dragons and your own brother 
might kill you. 

2942
02:17:52,480 --> 02:17:56,520
So that that part of Larry's 
plan, yes, makes sense. 

2943
02:17:56,680 --> 02:18:00,879
Mazaria is now pushing Rainiera 
to be like, darker and more 

2944
02:18:00,879 --> 02:18:03,600
aggressive. 
And that could be kind of plow 

2945
02:18:03,600 --> 02:18:05,520
through her own doubts. 
They look, yeah, you you got to 

2946
02:18:05,520 --> 02:18:07,799
get over these hesitations and 
say, yeah, go ahead and kill 

2947
02:18:07,799 --> 02:18:08,440
people. 
It's fine. 

2948
02:18:10,320 --> 02:18:13,160
So moving forward to Rainiera 
asleep. 

2949
02:18:15,200 --> 02:18:16,799
Interesting. 
Missouri is not in her bed. 

2950
02:18:17,600 --> 02:18:20,040
Something to take note of. 
I wonder if we will eventually 

2951
02:18:20,040 --> 02:18:21,760
see that I'm in fact, I'm 
guessing we will. 

2952
02:18:21,760 --> 02:18:24,959
But you know, Royals don't 
actually share beds with people.

2953
02:18:24,959 --> 02:18:28,320
Even even married couples at 
this level don't sleep in the 

2954
02:18:28,320 --> 02:18:31,320
same bed like thesaurus and 
Allison didn't share a bed most 

2955
02:18:31,320 --> 02:18:35,320
nights, I don't think. 
But it's also kind of 

2956
02:18:35,320 --> 02:18:37,080
complicated because like she 
doesn't exactly have a lot of 

2957
02:18:37,080 --> 02:18:38,920
privacy. 
You know, like her, she's always

2958
02:18:38,920 --> 02:18:41,000
got maidservants and kings guard
just knocking on her door in the

2959
02:18:41,000 --> 02:18:44,040
middle of the night and like 
doesn't really have that 

2960
02:18:44,040 --> 02:18:46,360
expectation of like she can't 
have a relationship on the down 

2961
02:18:46,360 --> 02:18:49,000
low very easily. 
So that's also that's something 

2962
02:18:49,000 --> 02:18:51,799
to consider about that as well. 
This is a little bit of a 

2963
02:18:51,799 --> 02:18:53,480
parallel. 
We got Damon being woken up in 

2964
02:18:53,480 --> 02:18:54,680
the middle of the night by 
Alice. 

2965
02:18:55,080 --> 02:18:58,760
Now we have Rainier woken up by 
Alice sent and a non magical 

2966
02:18:58,760 --> 02:19:01,639
person, but still an important 
moment. 

2967
02:19:03,680 --> 02:19:07,480
So as compared to the other 
secret meeting of Allison and 

2968
02:19:07,480 --> 02:19:12,920
Rainiera, I find this scene far 
more contrived, but way more 

2969
02:19:12,920 --> 02:19:15,080
impact on the plot than the 
meaning of the Sep. 

2970
02:19:15,080 --> 02:19:19,040
So it's kind of little little, 
maybe a little less good in some

2971
02:19:19,040 --> 02:19:20,920
ways, but more important in 
other ways. 

2972
02:19:21,840 --> 02:19:24,480
And one thing we talked about 
ahead of this was the Orwell bit

2973
02:19:24,920 --> 02:19:27,320
where she goes to Orwell for 
passage, which at first I was 

2974
02:19:27,320 --> 02:19:32,200
like, why does Orwell have any 
like secret means of ingress 

2975
02:19:32,200 --> 02:19:34,080
here? 
Like how does he know? 

2976
02:19:34,080 --> 02:19:36,680
Like of all the people, like why
does he this the guy to go to to

2977
02:19:36,680 --> 02:19:38,520
get through the blockade? 
Because right here getting 

2978
02:19:38,520 --> 02:19:39,920
through the blockade is no 
problem. 

2979
02:19:39,920 --> 02:19:42,920
That's her blockade. 
But like, how does does Allison 

2980
02:19:42,920 --> 02:19:44,799
do it now? 
They could have just had Allison

2981
02:19:44,799 --> 02:19:47,480
show up at the blockade, go hey,
take me to the queen and they 

2982
02:19:47,480 --> 02:19:49,640
would have done that. 
But she's trying to do this on 

2983
02:19:49,640 --> 02:19:50,800
the sly. 
So they that's not why. 

2984
02:19:50,800 --> 02:19:51,800
That's not. 
That's why they didn't do it 

2985
02:19:51,800 --> 02:19:54,280
that way. 
Yeah, she doesn't want Laurice 

2986
02:19:54,280 --> 02:19:58,280
or Amond or any of the other, 
you know, people within her 

2987
02:19:58,280 --> 02:20:02,240
party to know that she is 
betraying them effect like she's

2988
02:20:02,400 --> 02:20:04,120
she's not effectively she is 
this. 

2989
02:20:04,120 --> 02:20:05,520
Is treason. 
This is treason. 

2990
02:20:05,520 --> 02:20:07,880
Yeah, straight up. 
Yeah, that's why for me 

2991
02:20:07,880 --> 02:20:13,120
personally, I, I, I, I didn't, I
wasn't bothered by the initial 

2992
02:20:13,120 --> 02:20:15,880
Sep scene and I'm not bothered 
by this scene. 

2993
02:20:16,000 --> 02:20:18,960
I just think we only needed one 
of these scenes. 

2994
02:20:18,960 --> 02:20:22,520
Personally, I think the 
conversation that they had could

2995
02:20:22,520 --> 02:20:26,280
have been one scene at this 
moment at the end of the season 

2996
02:20:26,520 --> 02:20:28,680
or at the beginning. 
I I don't know how they could 

2997
02:20:28,680 --> 02:20:29,840
have played it. 
Had to be this one, because 

2998
02:20:29,840 --> 02:20:31,400
there's actually an actual plan 
here. 

2999
02:20:31,400 --> 02:20:33,440
Yeah, it actually the other one,
they just were like, well, we 

3000
02:20:33,440 --> 02:20:35,400
can't do anything so. 
And in order for her to have 

3001
02:20:35,400 --> 02:20:37,680
this plan, I guess she needed to
know that from Rainier. 

3002
02:20:37,680 --> 02:20:39,520
But I don't know. 
I think they're writers. 

3003
02:20:39,520 --> 02:20:42,480
They could have figured out a 
way to do it a little bit more 

3004
02:20:42,480 --> 02:20:44,880
efficiently. 
Is it really for me? 

3005
02:20:44,880 --> 02:20:46,520
I think that. 
It could be a writers strike 

3006
02:20:46,520 --> 02:20:47,640
thing. 
They didn't have time to go back

3007
02:20:47,640 --> 02:20:48,560
over. 
Somebody sings and. 

3008
02:20:48,560 --> 02:20:51,680
I think that they would argue 
that this was the effective and 

3009
02:20:51,680 --> 02:20:54,800
efficient way that they think 
that because the story is about 

3010
02:20:54,800 --> 02:20:58,480
Allison and Rainiera that they 
should bookend this the show the

3011
02:20:58,480 --> 02:21:01,040
the season with an Allison 
Rainiera scene and an Allison 

3012
02:21:01,040 --> 02:21:04,720
Rainiera scene. 
So I, I, I, as much as I think 

3013
02:21:04,720 --> 02:21:08,560
that it wasn't the most 
effective or efficient thing, I,

3014
02:21:08,560 --> 02:21:12,520
I do think that the writers 
would argue that again, I, I 

3015
02:21:12,520 --> 02:21:15,200
don't think that they chose what
they think was bad. 

3016
02:21:15,560 --> 02:21:18,560
Frankly, I just, you know, if, 
if I were going to cut a scene, 

3017
02:21:18,840 --> 02:21:21,120
I would, I would condense these 
to one. 

3018
02:21:21,120 --> 02:21:21,840
I. 
Agree with that. 

3019
02:21:21,840 --> 02:21:24,040
What do you think, Sean? 
I like both the scenes. 

3020
02:21:24,120 --> 02:21:25,800
I, I don't have a big problem 
with either. 

3021
02:21:25,800 --> 02:21:28,160
I think there's fair. 
I, I, I think it, maybe it's a 

3022
02:21:28,160 --> 02:21:30,440
little contrived, the idea that 
they could get over there 

3023
02:21:30,440 --> 02:21:35,040
secretly, but if they wanted, 
they could have brought us 

3024
02:21:35,040 --> 02:21:39,200
through a bunch of meetings and 
secret costumes and smuggling on

3025
02:21:39,200 --> 02:21:40,720
the boat. 
They could have showed it happen

3026
02:21:40,720 --> 02:21:42,800
and I would have bought it. 
I'm glad they didn't spend a 

3027
02:21:42,800 --> 02:21:44,840
bunch of time on that. 
The important thing is that they

3028
02:21:44,840 --> 02:21:48,480
have these meetings. 
And I think in the first one was

3029
02:21:48,480 --> 02:21:52,880
the realization, I think by both
of them that war is inevitable. 

3030
02:21:52,880 --> 02:21:54,520
There's nothing we can do to 
stop this. 

3031
02:21:54,520 --> 02:21:58,320
It's out of our hands. 
And then in this one for Allison

3032
02:21:58,320 --> 02:22:02,040
to realize I don't want to be 
part of it anymore. 

3033
02:22:02,040 --> 02:22:06,040
I'm willing to sacrifice my life
or I need to save my kids. 

3034
02:22:06,040 --> 02:22:09,520
It like that she's removing 
herself from this and and 

3035
02:22:09,520 --> 02:22:11,840
connected to that. 
It's not so simple. 

3036
02:22:11,840 --> 02:22:13,720
Like you know when Rener is like
what? 

3037
02:22:13,720 --> 02:22:15,160
So you just you're just going to
quit. 

3038
02:22:15,160 --> 02:22:16,520
It's not that easy. 
It's too late. 

3039
02:22:16,520 --> 02:22:20,640
You can't just quit. 
And Allison basically says, yes,

3040
02:22:20,640 --> 02:22:22,520
I can. 
And Raniera says, well, OK, 

3041
02:22:22,520 --> 02:22:26,000
fine, you can, but not and you 
can't quit and save your son. 

3042
02:22:26,000 --> 02:22:28,040
Your son's got to die. 
There's no two ways about it. 

3043
02:22:28,160 --> 02:22:31,800
And Allison accepting that. 
And I I don't know how you could

3044
02:22:31,800 --> 02:22:36,560
have had both those pieces of 
each meeting happen in the same 

3045
02:22:36,560 --> 02:22:38,600
meeting. 
So I'm OK with them being 

3046
02:22:38,600 --> 02:22:41,480
haven't been separate meetings. 
I think a letter could have done

3047
02:22:41,480 --> 02:22:43,120
the trick. 
To me, I think that it is 

3048
02:22:43,120 --> 02:22:45,760
information that conceivably 
could have been communicated 

3049
02:22:45,760 --> 02:22:47,840
that way. 
I think so too. 

3050
02:22:47,840 --> 02:22:50,560
But then you eliminate their 
ability to win best actress. 

3051
02:22:50,560 --> 02:22:52,560
I think you take away this 
dramatic moment in the 

3052
02:22:52,560 --> 02:22:54,000
cinematography and everything 
that comes. 

3053
02:22:54,000 --> 02:22:57,960
With it there is that, but also 
like, again, it's treason. 

3054
02:22:58,240 --> 02:23:00,080
She doesn't want to send a 
letter that I mean. 

3055
02:23:00,080 --> 02:23:01,520
The first letter, sorry, sorry, 
sorry. 

3056
02:23:01,560 --> 02:23:04,240
The first one, which I get that 
Rainier is trying to keep it 

3057
02:23:04,240 --> 02:23:06,320
super secret or whatever, but I 
don't know. 

3058
02:23:06,320 --> 02:23:10,000
I think the first meeting is 
what I this meeting I think is 

3059
02:23:10,000 --> 02:23:12,240
the more important meeting too. 
Yeah, yeah. 

3060
02:23:12,600 --> 02:23:14,640
I think this is the more 
important, but like in that 

3061
02:23:14,640 --> 02:23:17,800
other one, and again, this maybe
isn't even important, I made a 

3062
02:23:17,800 --> 02:23:20,120
big deal about it, how it wasn't
really effectively that 

3063
02:23:20,120 --> 02:23:22,520
important. 
But how does Raniero make 

3064
02:23:22,680 --> 02:23:24,600
Ranella and Allison make the 
realization of the 

3065
02:23:24,600 --> 02:23:27,680
miscommunication of thesaurus's 
last words right one. 

3066
02:23:27,880 --> 02:23:29,960
Maybe it would have to be a 
series of letters back and 

3067
02:23:29,960 --> 02:23:31,160
forth. 
The moment when she asked me, 

3068
02:23:31,160 --> 02:23:32,960
what did he say to Tiffany? 
They could have done that in 

3069
02:23:32,960 --> 02:23:34,440
this scene. 
Why can't they do that in this 

3070
02:23:34,440 --> 02:23:36,320
scene? 
Maybe they could have done that 

3071
02:23:36,320 --> 02:23:38,440
in the scene, yeah. 
I think people would think that 

3072
02:23:38,760 --> 02:23:42,280
that Alice had needed to have 
the doubt planted in her to get 

3073
02:23:42,280 --> 02:23:46,680
to the scene, but I think that 
if they had a back and forth of 

3074
02:23:46,680 --> 02:23:48,960
secret letters or something, I 
think that could have been 

3075
02:23:48,960 --> 02:23:51,040
compelling. 
You could have seen their faces 

3076
02:23:51,040 --> 02:23:53,160
during these scenes. 
I think it could have been 

3077
02:23:53,160 --> 02:23:56,000
filmed and shot and written in a
way that worked. 

3078
02:23:56,160 --> 02:23:58,240
You can have them read it with 
the other person's voice, like 

3079
02:23:58,240 --> 02:23:59,840
being the reading like that kind
of trick. 

3080
02:23:59,960 --> 02:24:02,240
You can do a. 
Lot I think with communicating 

3081
02:24:02,240 --> 02:24:04,920
via letters. 
The problem is, again, whether 

3082
02:24:04,920 --> 02:24:06,800
they think any, everyone's going
to read the letters they're 

3083
02:24:06,800 --> 02:24:09,080
sending. 
But again, I think that that's a

3084
02:24:09,080 --> 02:24:10,760
writing problem. 
I don't think it's an 

3085
02:24:10,760 --> 02:24:14,200
impossibility to have done that 
as plausible. 

3086
02:24:14,320 --> 02:24:17,360
Or at the very least, I think 
it's as plausible as a secret 

3087
02:24:17,360 --> 02:24:19,800
meeting. 
You know, like secret letters 

3088
02:24:19,960 --> 02:24:22,600
are probably as plausible as 
secret meetings. 

3089
02:24:22,600 --> 02:24:25,120
Like they, they both run the 
same issue if people will find 

3090
02:24:25,120 --> 02:24:26,760
out what you've done. 
Yeah. 

3091
02:24:27,400 --> 02:24:30,880
So Allison apologizes without 
actually saying I'm sorry, but 

3092
02:24:30,880 --> 02:24:36,000
she says she's been wrong. 
And she talks about, like, very 

3093
02:24:36,000 --> 02:24:39,200
similar to Kristen Cole in a lot
of ways, how talking about this 

3094
02:24:39,200 --> 02:24:41,960
life of duty has really blown up
in their face. 

3095
02:24:41,960 --> 02:24:42,960
It's not what they thought it 
was. 

3096
02:24:42,960 --> 02:24:44,480
Now she thinks she has a way 
out. 

3097
02:24:44,480 --> 02:24:47,040
Kristen's like, I got no choice.
I'm marching to my annihilation.

3098
02:24:47,280 --> 02:24:50,440
That's where diverges a bit. 
The difference is she actually 

3099
02:24:50,440 --> 02:24:52,520
thinks she has a way out. 
But she does mention him. 

3100
02:24:52,520 --> 02:24:54,520
She's like my what? 
My father, my what? 

3101
02:24:54,520 --> 02:24:56,640
My husband, my lover. 
And she's like your lover. 

3102
02:24:56,640 --> 02:24:58,680
Oh, and she gets on her case a 
little bit about her right. 

3103
02:24:58,680 --> 02:25:03,360
Here, jumped on that so quick. 
Yeah, that virtue, Roniera the 

3104
02:25:03,360 --> 02:25:04,560
1st. 
As soon as you're a lover, 

3105
02:25:04,560 --> 02:25:06,760
that's what she jumped on. 
Yeah, it wasn't the other stuff.

3106
02:25:06,760 --> 02:25:09,480
It was like, oh, you hypocrite. 
You know, it's it's too funny 

3107
02:25:09,480 --> 02:25:12,000
the name of that lover didn't 
come up because oh, boy, she 

3108
02:25:12,000 --> 02:25:14,680
would have been even had an even
stronger reaction to that. 

3109
02:25:14,680 --> 02:25:19,240
But so far that's a secret 
that's being maintained. 

3110
02:25:19,360 --> 02:25:23,240
It may never get told. 
But so, yeah, like you said, 

3111
02:25:23,520 --> 02:25:27,160
Sean, she has to eventually. 
She thinks she can have it both 

3112
02:25:27,160 --> 02:25:30,120
ways, like and Rainier basically
calls around, you think you can 

3113
02:25:30,120 --> 02:25:32,680
just do all this and still have 
it your way with minimal 

3114
02:25:32,680 --> 02:25:34,120
suffering. 
He's like, no, your son has to 

3115
02:25:34,120 --> 02:25:36,760
die, have to cut his head off 
and everyone has to know it. 

3116
02:25:36,760 --> 02:25:40,080
Everyone has to see me do it. 
It has to be spread round the 

3117
02:25:40,080 --> 02:25:43,400
realm so everybody knows for 
sure that it's not like a trick,

3118
02:25:43,400 --> 02:25:48,320
that Aegon is really dead. 
So she agrees after a pause. 

3119
02:25:48,320 --> 02:25:50,760
And then then Alice and and 
Rainier is pretty surprised. 

3120
02:25:50,880 --> 02:25:51,880
She thought that would be the 
end of it. 

3121
02:25:51,880 --> 02:25:52,840
She's like, oh, she's not going 
to do that. 

3122
02:25:52,840 --> 02:25:55,800
She says, oh, well, you've, you 
have changed. 

3123
02:25:56,080 --> 02:25:59,440
You know which this this could 
apply to a lot of characters in 

3124
02:25:59,440 --> 02:26:02,560
this episode. 
Damon again. 

3125
02:26:02,840 --> 02:26:04,040
Yeah. 
Allison, yes. 

3126
02:26:04,040 --> 02:26:07,880
Rainier as well, maybe in the 
wrong direction, but yeah, other

3127
02:26:07,880 --> 02:26:08,440
characters. 
Too. 

3128
02:26:09,600 --> 02:26:13,200
A beautiful little call back was
in the middle of this 

3129
02:26:13,200 --> 02:26:15,840
conversation. 
Allison, you know, kind of 

3130
02:26:15,840 --> 02:26:18,120
facing the fact that Aegon is 
going to have to die, starts 

3131
02:26:18,120 --> 02:26:20,680
biting your nails again. 
Yeah, that was good. 

3132
02:26:20,880 --> 02:26:25,120
Nervous tick, if you will, from 
before and it when Allison does 

3133
02:26:25,120 --> 02:26:28,560
concede that is part of what's 
going to happen it Raniera 

3134
02:26:28,560 --> 02:26:31,720
starts to cry. 
I think the Raniera knew it but 

3135
02:26:31,720 --> 02:26:35,560
also didn't want it like this is
she Raniera told Jason a couple 

3136
02:26:35,560 --> 02:26:37,560
episodes Like I just like all of
this. 

3137
02:26:37,560 --> 02:26:41,480
I don't think Raniera wants any 
of this either, but she just 

3138
02:26:41,560 --> 02:26:43,720
doesn't feel like she has any 
other choice. 

3139
02:26:43,840 --> 02:26:46,000
Yeah, the the prophecy is part 
of it. 

3140
02:26:46,000 --> 02:26:47,640
Like she has to win. 
Yeah. 

3141
02:26:48,440 --> 02:26:52,400
And so the other, the other way 
I would describe the difference 

3142
02:26:52,400 --> 02:26:55,160
between this and Kristen Cole's 
situation is that Kristen Cole's

3143
02:26:55,160 --> 02:26:56,960
going down with the ship. 
He's like, I've got my duty, I'm

3144
02:26:56,960 --> 02:26:59,760
going down with it. 
Allison's like, no, I'm not 

3145
02:26:59,760 --> 02:27:01,520
doing my duty anymore. 
I'm not going to do my duty. 

3146
02:27:01,520 --> 02:27:04,320
I'm going to do what I think is 
right, which is that's the big 

3147
02:27:04,320 --> 02:27:06,080
change for her. 
And what she thinks is right is 

3148
02:27:06,080 --> 02:27:10,480
to, yeah, turn on her own family
to save her own family, the ones

3149
02:27:10,480 --> 02:27:12,280
who can be saved. 
She's like, well, I can't save 

3150
02:27:12,280 --> 02:27:13,960
everybody. 
I'm save the innocent one. 

3151
02:27:13,960 --> 02:27:16,840
She said women and children 
first and only. 

3152
02:27:17,200 --> 02:27:19,080
And she said that to Amy. 
She's like the one most 

3153
02:27:19,080 --> 02:27:21,080
deserving of your protection and
they're the one that you're 

3154
02:27:21,080 --> 02:27:22,680
putting in the harm's way. 
Like she's the one that you 

3155
02:27:22,680 --> 02:27:24,640
should most be trying to protect
and keep out of all this. 

3156
02:27:25,360 --> 02:27:26,800
And so, well, if you're not 
going to do it, well, then I'm 

3157
02:27:26,800 --> 02:27:30,120
going to. 
Yeah, I know a lot of people I 

3158
02:27:30,120 --> 02:27:33,960
think harshly of Allison for 
sacrificing her family, her sons

3159
02:27:33,960 --> 02:27:37,680
and turning on them. 
And, you know, and I, I think 

3160
02:27:37,680 --> 02:27:39,440
Allison thinks harshly of 
herself for it. 

3161
02:27:39,440 --> 02:27:41,680
I, you know what I mean? 
Like, I, I don't think she's 

3162
02:27:41,680 --> 02:27:43,520
like, I, I did the most noble 
thing. 

3163
02:27:43,520 --> 02:27:48,480
She's like, I have, have 
betrayed my family to, to save 

3164
02:27:48,480 --> 02:27:51,160
my, the rest of my family. 
I don't know, I I think 

3165
02:27:51,360 --> 02:27:53,560
Allison's bigger biggest hater 
is Allison. 

3166
02:27:54,240 --> 02:27:56,960
Yeah, maybe. 
I mean, Raniera is turning on 

3167
02:27:56,960 --> 02:27:59,080
her family, right? 
Allison's sons or Raniera's 

3168
02:27:59,080 --> 02:28:02,880
brothers, you could argue. 
Her, her family turned on her 

3169
02:28:02,880 --> 02:28:05,320
first. 
Like she doesn't want to do, 

3170
02:28:05,320 --> 02:28:07,560
like she wouldn't have done this
and doesn't want to, but she 

3171
02:28:07,560 --> 02:28:10,000
feels that they have turned on 
her first. 

3172
02:28:10,000 --> 02:28:13,720
So I don't know it's a true like
the people might think of 

3173
02:28:13,720 --> 02:28:17,480
Raniera as a kinslayer for doing
this and, and all of that. 

3174
02:28:17,480 --> 02:28:20,280
So it's a pretty problematic 
thing she has to do. 

3175
02:28:20,280 --> 02:28:22,640
Like, you're not wrong that it's
rife with issues, but I think a 

3176
02:28:22,640 --> 02:28:26,600
lot of people would say he 
committed treason, you had to 

3177
02:28:26,600 --> 02:28:28,400
kill him. 
I, I don't, I don't know how 

3178
02:28:28,400 --> 02:28:32,160
much that exonerates you as a 
kinslayer if in this situation, 

3179
02:28:32,160 --> 02:28:33,880
right? 
Yeah, hopefully you shouldn't 

3180
02:28:33,880 --> 02:28:36,720
get someone else to kill him 
like Jace can't do it either. 

3181
02:28:36,760 --> 02:28:39,880
I mean even if someone else does
it like didn't she give the 

3182
02:28:39,880 --> 02:28:41,400
command? 
Like even if she has her 

3183
02:28:41,400 --> 02:28:43,640
headsman do it like. 
We don't know how that works. 

3184
02:28:43,640 --> 02:28:46,960
Victorian himself was like, does
it work if someone else does it?

3185
02:28:46,960 --> 02:28:48,560
Is that Kinsley? 
He asked the question. 

3186
02:28:48,560 --> 02:28:49,840
He didn't know the answer and 
neither do we. 

3187
02:28:49,840 --> 02:28:52,840
We don't know how how the gods 
view indirect kinslaying. 

3188
02:28:53,000 --> 02:28:54,840
Maybe we have to be sending 
someone to the wall. 

3189
02:28:55,080 --> 02:28:56,600
Maybe that would be the the 
solution instead. 

3190
02:28:57,520 --> 02:29:03,520
Steve Van Preen had a great 
comment here about the bit in 

3191
02:29:03,680 --> 02:29:07,040
Dance with Dragons where Illyrio
is telling Tyrion no, no you 

3192
02:29:07,040 --> 02:29:08,280
can't. 
He's like, Tyrion's like, oh, 

3193
02:29:08,280 --> 02:29:11,680
crown Marcella, he's like, to 
crown her is to kill her. 

3194
02:29:12,160 --> 02:29:15,520
So he's he's he's he's wondering
about this here, especially in 

3195
02:29:15,520 --> 02:29:19,920
light of Allison not admitting 
she wasn't happier as queen. 

3196
02:29:19,920 --> 02:29:22,640
But the vibe was there when 
Helena said she was happier 

3197
02:29:22,640 --> 02:29:26,120
before she was queen. 
So now Rainier, so now Allison 

3198
02:29:26,120 --> 02:29:29,840
is helping Rainier become queen 
with this plan, which I don't 

3199
02:29:29,840 --> 02:29:31,280
think she's doing it to get her 
killed. 

3200
02:29:31,280 --> 02:29:33,200
But it's like, well, you're 
putting her in this position 

3201
02:29:33,200 --> 02:29:36,480
that has it's not actually going
to be good for her. 

3202
02:29:36,480 --> 02:29:38,960
Probably to be the queen. 
This might be the best choice, 

3203
02:29:39,240 --> 02:29:43,120
but it's still a great burden. 
And it makes you kind of 

3204
02:29:43,120 --> 02:29:45,440
corrupts your morality and makes
you do things that you wouldn't 

3205
02:29:45,440 --> 02:29:48,160
necessarily do. 
We just talked about Helena 

3206
02:29:48,160 --> 02:29:50,400
saying she was happy before she 
was Queen and knowing that 

3207
02:29:50,400 --> 02:29:55,200
Allison felt the same way. 
And last episode, we had Viserys

3208
02:29:55,200 --> 02:29:58,880
telling Damon that the crown 
crushes whoever wears it to be 

3209
02:29:59,200 --> 02:30:00,480
careful what you wish for, 
Renera. 

3210
02:30:00,600 --> 02:30:01,520
Yeah. 
That's true. 

3211
02:30:01,520 --> 02:30:03,640
You're right. 
That owl, I think Rainier feels 

3212
02:30:03,640 --> 02:30:06,640
that same way. 
She is crushed by the burden of 

3213
02:30:06,640 --> 02:30:09,240
it, and that's why we see that 
beautiful shot. 

3214
02:30:09,240 --> 02:30:13,680
I think of her that in the final
montage, you know, where she is,

3215
02:30:13,680 --> 02:30:18,240
I think crushed by the weight of
all of her history, the scrolls.

3216
02:30:18,240 --> 02:30:21,000
She is part of the scrolls. 
But I think like, it's impactful

3217
02:30:21,000 --> 02:30:24,720
to me that she's at the bottom 
of it like she is, oh, over, 

3218
02:30:24,720 --> 02:30:26,520
like under the weight of all of 
that. 

3219
02:30:26,520 --> 02:30:28,760
Almost makes her a footnote. 
Yeah, yeah, right. 

3220
02:30:29,200 --> 02:30:32,440
She's trapped in this little 
position of history and just one

3221
02:30:32,440 --> 02:30:35,560
little piece of it. 
And that was such a beautiful 

3222
02:30:35,560 --> 02:30:37,000
shot. 
And then the way they cut 

3223
02:30:37,000 --> 02:30:41,240
immediately from that to Allison
out in the wide open, the. 

3224
02:30:41,280 --> 02:30:43,400
Freedom that she was saying I 
was perfect. 

3225
02:30:43,400 --> 02:30:46,240
That was that was awesome. 
Yeah, I think it no matter what 

3226
02:30:46,240 --> 02:30:50,200
criticisms any of the three of 
us say about this episode, when 

3227
02:30:50,200 --> 02:30:52,920
you come, when you bring up 
shots like these two paired with

3228
02:30:52,920 --> 02:30:56,640
one another, how how beautiful, 
rich and meaningful. 

3229
02:30:56,640 --> 02:30:59,280
Like not just beautiful, but 
again, with they just have 

3230
02:30:59,280 --> 02:31:03,720
layers and layers of meaning to 
why the shot looks so beautiful.

3231
02:31:04,240 --> 02:31:06,040
I don't know. 
My, my, my criticism seemed to 

3232
02:31:06,040 --> 02:31:08,080
just like melt away in the wind 
a lot of the time. 

3233
02:31:08,080 --> 02:31:11,360
Like I'm like, whatever I would 
say, I'm like what? 

3234
02:31:11,360 --> 02:31:14,840
It knocks it from A10 to a nine 
or a nine to an 8. 

3235
02:31:15,000 --> 02:31:17,520
To me, it's still a phenomenal 
piece of television. 

3236
02:31:17,520 --> 02:31:22,480
I yeah, I don't understand any 
single thing in any episode of, 

3237
02:31:22,480 --> 02:31:24,560
of a, of a show with this level 
of production quality. 

3238
02:31:24,560 --> 02:31:27,040
How can one single thing ruin it
for you? 

3239
02:31:27,040 --> 02:31:29,280
Like, I don't know, that sounds 
like that's a no, no offense to 

3240
02:31:29,280 --> 02:31:31,640
anyone, but that's AU problem. 
Like I don't I don't have that 

3241
02:31:31,640 --> 02:31:32,640
issue. 
It takes a lot. 

3242
02:31:32,640 --> 02:31:35,440
It takes a lot for some this 
many elements that go into it, 

3243
02:31:36,120 --> 02:31:39,760
acting, planning, 
cinematography, just things like

3244
02:31:39,760 --> 02:31:41,960
lighting and scripts and the 
music. 

3245
02:31:41,960 --> 02:31:44,800
God, the music was so good all 
season long. 

3246
02:31:44,800 --> 02:31:48,360
Like like those things help. 
Like it's not a yeah, I don't, I

3247
02:31:48,360 --> 02:31:51,920
don't get focusing on one aspect
of it as the as the deciding 

3248
02:31:51,920 --> 02:31:54,000
factor. 
I think we all have said, I 

3249
02:31:54,000 --> 02:31:57,360
thought negative things about 
both of this episode and the 

3250
02:31:57,360 --> 02:31:59,760
season. 
And I don't think we're just 

3251
02:31:59,760 --> 02:32:01,720
like, oh, love it, love it, love
it. 

3252
02:32:01,720 --> 02:32:04,560
No negativity ever. 
But I think we're just able to 

3253
02:32:04,560 --> 02:32:08,440
just kind of shake off the bad 
stuff and focus on the, the 

3254
02:32:08,600 --> 02:32:11,760
honestly, the the scales. 
Like, I mean, we saw Orwell 

3255
02:32:11,760 --> 02:32:13,760
weighing the scales or whatever 
in that scene. 

3256
02:32:14,040 --> 02:32:17,160
Like to me, like the scale of 
positive next to the negative, 

3257
02:32:17,160 --> 02:32:20,720
like it's so outweighs it. 
I, I, I, I, I have to say it in 

3258
02:32:20,720 --> 02:32:22,640
the podcast because I, I, I 
should get it all out of my 

3259
02:32:22,640 --> 02:32:26,560
system and make you all feel 
heard that there is like, you 

3260
02:32:26,560 --> 02:32:30,520
know, there are things to 
quibble about, but I, I, I urge 

3261
02:32:30,520 --> 02:32:33,920
you all to just like, think 
about them so much good. 

3262
02:32:34,120 --> 02:32:36,680
Yeah, and if you allow one thing
to throw it off for you, then 

3263
02:32:36,680 --> 02:32:38,560
you discover new things that you
didn't know. 

3264
02:32:38,560 --> 02:32:41,040
Your opinions are already set. 
And you won't you, you're rooted

3265
02:32:41,040 --> 02:32:42,080
in that. 
You can't like. 

3266
02:32:42,080 --> 02:32:43,680
Oh, actually, this is better 
than I thought. 

3267
02:32:43,680 --> 02:32:46,120
But if you've already decided, 
yeah, you got to have, you got 

3268
02:32:46,120 --> 02:32:47,960
to have that flexibility because
you might have missed stuff, you

3269
02:32:48,000 --> 02:32:49,680
know, missing things might 
change your entire view of 

3270
02:32:49,680 --> 02:32:51,840
things. 
There are things that could ruin

3271
02:32:51,840 --> 02:32:55,160
it, you know, like if you got a 
brand new car and then someone 

3272
02:32:55,240 --> 02:32:58,720
scraped the hood with your key, 
you wouldn't be like the car's 

3273
02:32:58,720 --> 02:33:01,680
ruined. 
But if someone like slashed all 

3274
02:33:01,680 --> 02:33:04,720
four tires, like even then it's 
not really ruined, you know what

3275
02:33:04,720 --> 02:33:06,560
I mean? 
There are things that could ruin

3276
02:33:06,560 --> 02:33:09,800
it, but scraping it with a key 
that does not ruin it 1 little. 

3277
02:33:09,800 --> 02:33:14,200
Unless they scrape it like a a 
swastika, then that's you can't 

3278
02:33:14,200 --> 02:33:15,800
drive it for a little while. 
It's still not ruined. 

3279
02:33:15,800 --> 02:33:17,040
You have to get that buffed out.
Yeah. 

3280
02:33:17,800 --> 02:33:20,000
We've gone down quite a rabbit 
hole here, I think. 

3281
02:33:20,120 --> 02:33:22,400
At least we're pointing out that
swastikas are bad, right? 

3282
02:33:22,400 --> 02:33:24,600
It would be would be a problem, 
but I was like, actually, that's

3283
02:33:24,600 --> 02:33:28,320
a good thing, no? 
Clearly not one thought I'm 

3284
02:33:28,320 --> 02:33:30,960
happy for this little tangent we
went on and I'm so happy we got 

3285
02:33:31,040 --> 02:33:33,480
to Shay. 
I love that you had those photos

3286
02:33:33,480 --> 02:33:37,880
ready to go 1-2 after another. 
But but I wanted to say one of 

3287
02:33:37,880 --> 02:33:46,000
the things about Allison's 
sacrificing of Aegon, is it in 

3288
02:33:46,000 --> 02:33:49,520
light of Kristen Cole's speech 
earlier that death is sort of a 

3289
02:33:49,520 --> 02:33:53,000
relief and the misery that Aegon
is in over his life. 

3290
02:33:53,000 --> 02:33:56,560
Laris is trying to give him some
hope, but Allison doesn't know 

3291
02:33:56,560 --> 02:33:58,440
that. 
And Allison may not even be 

3292
02:33:58,440 --> 02:34:01,480
aware of how far his recovery is
coming, right? 

3293
02:34:01,480 --> 02:34:04,440
Like Laris might be hiding that 
from her and she might think 

3294
02:34:04,440 --> 02:34:08,160
he's worse off physically and 
psychologically than he is. 

3295
02:34:08,480 --> 02:34:11,400
And it might be a little bit of 
putting him out of suffering to 

3296
02:34:11,400 --> 02:34:13,960
have him be be killed. 
And you know, again, that 

3297
02:34:13,960 --> 02:34:19,200
doesn't make it easy or happy or
good even, but adds to the 

3298
02:34:19,200 --> 02:34:21,200
understandability of Allison's 
decision. 

3299
02:34:21,200 --> 02:34:24,560
So what do you think will happen
though, when Rainier if if, 

3300
02:34:24,560 --> 02:34:27,680
assuming this all happens, 
Rainier takes the city and 

3301
02:34:27,720 --> 02:34:30,040
Hagan's gone, is she going to 
believe that Allison had nothing

3302
02:34:30,040 --> 02:34:33,320
to do with it? 
Yeah, that, that is a a tricky 

3303
02:34:33,440 --> 02:34:35,960
piece of it like I'm not sure. 
What would happen? 

3304
02:34:36,000 --> 02:34:39,480
Yeah. 
Yeah, even if if Aegan was 

3305
02:34:39,480 --> 02:34:41,840
there, I'm not quite sure how 
that plays out. 

3306
02:34:41,840 --> 02:34:44,720
She shows up, she executes. 
Him like right away. 

3307
02:34:44,960 --> 02:34:46,880
That's what she would do. 
She would execute him very 

3308
02:34:46,880 --> 02:34:49,040
publicly. 
Yeah, like she said. 

3309
02:34:49,040 --> 02:34:52,400
Let's say Allison and Helene are
there, and Helene is like, yeah,

3310
02:34:52,400 --> 02:34:54,480
I guess, whatever. 
And she executes him. 

3311
02:34:54,480 --> 02:34:57,080
Da, da, da. 
I still don't think Amon's like,

3312
02:34:57,680 --> 02:35:01,040
Oh well, I'll bend the knee like
he needs to be killed. 

3313
02:35:01,040 --> 02:35:03,560
Amon's gone. 
The idea is that Amon is not 

3314
02:35:03,560 --> 02:35:05,800
there. 
Amon is out in the field. 

3315
02:35:06,280 --> 02:35:08,520
He's out in the field and he's 
out in the field and a Raven 

3316
02:35:08,520 --> 02:35:10,920
comes and says hey, Aegon is 
dead. 

3317
02:35:11,000 --> 02:35:12,000
Yeah, he still needs to be 
killed. 

3318
02:35:12,040 --> 02:35:12,880
That's what you're saying. 
What? 

3319
02:35:12,880 --> 02:35:15,760
Does he do I think he still 
might burn cities down or go 

3320
02:35:15,960 --> 02:35:16,800
attack? 
See I. 

3321
02:35:16,800 --> 02:35:17,520
Don't. 
You're not wrong. 

3322
02:35:17,760 --> 02:35:19,640
You're not wrong. 
Ayman will not just give up. 

3323
02:35:19,640 --> 02:35:21,320
You're right about that. 
Yeah, like or you shouldn't 

3324
02:35:21,320 --> 02:35:25,360
expect him to anyway. 
Aegon being gone makes it even 

3325
02:35:25,360 --> 02:35:29,640
more difficult for Raniera to 
really claim she's won the crown

3326
02:35:29,640 --> 02:35:31,840
back, Yes. 
Because he's still out there 

3327
02:35:31,840 --> 02:35:33,840
somewhere. 
She blames Allison or not, which

3328
02:35:34,080 --> 02:35:37,360
it seems like she will. 
I don't know how she could not 

3329
02:35:37,360 --> 02:35:39,760
and how I don't know what effect
that will have on her. 

3330
02:35:39,760 --> 02:35:46,440
Maybe she'll even, maybe it'll 
like lower some of her respect 

3331
02:35:46,440 --> 02:35:49,160
for the Greens in general. 
She might be more likely to do 

3332
02:35:49,160 --> 02:35:51,760
something vindictive or 
destructive, you know, as a 

3333
02:35:52,400 --> 02:35:55,120
feeling like she was betrayed by
Allison, or maybe more worried 

3334
02:35:55,120 --> 02:35:58,560
about some kind of trick coming 
and do something more aggressive

3335
02:35:58,560 --> 02:36:02,400
to like stop some sort of 
retaliation. 

3336
02:36:02,400 --> 02:36:04,920
She might be more determined to 
burn armies or up or whatever. 

3337
02:36:04,920 --> 02:36:10,520
But that's why I pointed out 
that I that she was really 

3338
02:36:10,520 --> 02:36:14,320
surprised when Allison actually 
agreed to to let Allison's like,

3339
02:36:14,320 --> 02:36:15,800
oh, you've changed. 
Like, well, she's going to be 

3340
02:36:15,800 --> 02:36:17,680
like, oh, I was wrong. 
You weren't, you didn't change. 

3341
02:36:17,680 --> 02:36:19,160
You just lied to me. 
You know, that's I think she 

3342
02:36:19,160 --> 02:36:21,880
might think that. 
Yeah, I think she's going to 

3343
02:36:21,960 --> 02:36:25,960
call her a liar and it's just 
going to be very, very tragic 

3344
02:36:25,960 --> 02:36:27,280
because I get ugly. 
I swear. 

3345
02:36:27,280 --> 02:36:27,960
I didn't. 
I don't. 

3346
02:36:27,960 --> 02:36:29,920
Yeah, she didn't. 
Yeah, I did. 

3347
02:36:30,200 --> 02:36:32,520
And Helena is going to get the 
brunt of, I think, a like, well,

3348
02:36:32,520 --> 02:36:34,760
Allison too. 
But I think Helena, who might 

3349
02:36:34,760 --> 02:36:38,280
have been treated a little bit 
more warmly and let go free as 

3350
02:36:38,280 --> 02:36:42,240
was the plan, is instead also 
going to be stuck here. 

3351
02:36:42,360 --> 02:36:45,840
Yep, house arrest, something 
like that. 

3352
02:36:46,360 --> 02:36:50,200
So let's go through the things 
that will be in the montage. 

3353
02:36:50,200 --> 02:36:53,000
Actually, one other line. 
Rainier tells Allison that 

3354
02:36:53,000 --> 02:36:57,440
she'll be painted as a villain, 
a cold queen, which you know, 

3355
02:36:58,200 --> 02:36:59,920
what is Rainier going to look 
like in the long run? 

3356
02:37:00,200 --> 02:37:05,360
So back to that, that shot of 
the Rainier as history. 

3357
02:37:05,960 --> 02:37:10,480
There's a fantastic crossover 
from Game of Thrones episode 3, 

3358
02:37:10,480 --> 02:37:12,960
season four, which you should 
not watch because it will tell 

3359
02:37:12,960 --> 02:37:16,560
you, it will give you a huge 
spoiler, but it's looks a lot 

3360
02:37:16,560 --> 02:37:19,200
like this. 
It's got the same crisscross 

3361
02:37:19,960 --> 02:37:24,040
pattern there and Joffrey is 
telling, I think Marjorie or 

3362
02:37:24,040 --> 02:37:27,480
Sansa about what happened in the
Dance of the Dragons. 

3363
02:37:27,640 --> 02:37:29,360
And it's got the same 
backgrounds. 

3364
02:37:29,720 --> 02:37:33,880
So it's pretty sweet like that 
same like cross work thing 

3365
02:37:33,880 --> 02:37:35,320
there. 
It's that's at King's Landing, 

3366
02:37:35,320 --> 02:37:37,480
not Dragonstone, but it's still 
the same view. 

3367
02:37:37,480 --> 02:37:40,680
So I love that Easter egg. 
Very, very smooth and subtle 

3368
02:37:40,680 --> 02:37:43,360
there. 
So the actual montage, let's go 

3369
02:37:43,360 --> 02:37:44,520
through all the things that are 
in it. 

3370
02:37:45,200 --> 02:37:47,800
We'll put some of the images on 
screen, but not all of them. 

3371
02:37:47,800 --> 02:37:48,640
You can do all of them. 
Wow. 

3372
02:37:48,640 --> 02:37:50,600
OK, you're ready to go, huh? 
OK, cool. 

3373
02:37:50,800 --> 02:37:53,120
Well, I'll go at a pace that you
can handle here then. 

3374
02:37:53,400 --> 02:37:55,840
First we have Allison leaving. 
There's actually several moments

3375
02:37:55,840 --> 02:37:57,920
of Allison leaving throughout 
this, kind of interspersed along

3376
02:37:57,920 --> 02:38:00,000
with Reyna searching. 
Those are the two things that 

3377
02:38:00,000 --> 02:38:01,400
keep kind of keep popping back 
up. 

3378
02:38:02,080 --> 02:38:05,000
We have the dragon seeds getting
armored, all three of them and 

3379
02:38:05,000 --> 02:38:07,040
yes not. 
All three ulf does not get 

3380
02:38:07,040 --> 02:38:10,120
armor. 
He is in like a diplomat's garb 

3381
02:38:10,120 --> 02:38:13,520
and and Adam and Hugh are in 
armor notably. 

3382
02:38:13,520 --> 02:38:15,120
That's a good point. 
That's a good point. 

3383
02:38:15,120 --> 02:38:16,880
He chooses not to wear armor. 
He chooses to wear like a 

3384
02:38:16,880 --> 02:38:19,880
doublet and with a little cross 
and A and a Cape. 

3385
02:38:19,880 --> 02:38:21,480
But the other two have armor. 
That's a good point. 

3386
02:38:21,480 --> 02:38:22,720
Yeah. 
Eamon doesn't wear armor. 

3387
02:38:24,040 --> 02:38:25,280
Damon does. 
Some of the. 

3388
02:38:25,280 --> 02:38:27,640
Yeah, It's just a matter of they
have different preferences when 

3389
02:38:27,640 --> 02:38:29,760
they're riding their Dragons. 
Good point. 

3390
02:38:29,760 --> 02:38:34,560
So, Jason? 
Neither, notably, he's all 

3391
02:38:34,560 --> 02:38:36,800
stressed like Jace, really. 
Oh, yeah, he kind of is. 

3392
02:38:38,480 --> 02:38:42,600
Jordan Rannells says that this 
was the song is called All Must 

3393
02:38:42,600 --> 02:38:45,040
Choose, kind of like the the 
theme of the season, the 

3394
02:38:45,040 --> 02:38:47,040
marketing. 
And what's interesting about 

3395
02:38:47,040 --> 02:38:49,720
this song is that it is a 
medley. 

3396
02:38:49,800 --> 02:38:51,640
It's it's almost made for a 
montage. 

3397
02:38:51,640 --> 02:38:53,400
We've heard parts of it 
throughout the season. 

3398
02:38:53,800 --> 02:38:56,040
You might have heard a chunk of 
the reigns of Castamere, but it 

3399
02:38:56,040 --> 02:38:57,800
wasn't the original reigns of 
Castamere. 

3400
02:38:58,600 --> 02:39:00,240
And I was wondering, like, I'm 
wondering about this, like, oh, 

3401
02:39:00,240 --> 02:39:02,000
I guess it's just a mod, a 
variation on the Rains of 

3402
02:39:02,000 --> 02:39:03,520
Castamere. 
What I think happened is all 

3403
02:39:03,520 --> 02:39:06,520
those little bits are part of 
this one long montage song that 

3404
02:39:06,520 --> 02:39:09,160
we didn't know was one song that
we've heard snippets of. 

3405
02:39:09,160 --> 02:39:11,880
And now in this version at the 
end, we hear the song go all the

3406
02:39:11,880 --> 02:39:15,240
way through where it all these 
different themes come up during 

3407
02:39:15,240 --> 02:39:17,040
the song. 
We've got the Stark theme comes 

3408
02:39:17,040 --> 02:39:18,680
up when we see the Starks 
marching at the Twins. 

3409
02:39:19,160 --> 02:39:24,040
We hear the the Rains of 
Castamere variation when we see 

3410
02:39:24,040 --> 02:39:27,000
the Lannisters, but then we hear
other there's other just 

3411
02:39:27,040 --> 02:39:28,560
different parts of music at 
different times. 

3412
02:39:28,800 --> 02:39:31,600
We have Damon and Armor looking 
at his assembled river Lords 

3413
02:39:31,600 --> 02:39:35,560
encamped, which we thought this 
was like episode three or four. 

3414
02:39:35,720 --> 02:39:37,040
It turns out to be episode 
eight. 

3415
02:39:38,400 --> 02:39:43,880
We have the Triarchies fleet 
with Thailand and Lohar in their

3416
02:39:43,880 --> 02:39:47,680
final moment, which was pretty 
cool, which you said, Yeah, the 

3417
02:39:47,680 --> 02:39:50,760
CGI, you can see the yeah, it 
does look a little, I don't 

3418
02:39:50,760 --> 02:39:52,320
know, those look a little thick.
Yeah, the shit. 

3419
02:39:52,320 --> 02:39:52,800
Why? 
Where? 

3420
02:39:52,800 --> 02:39:54,880
Where is everyone? 
Where are the crew mates? 

3421
02:39:54,880 --> 02:39:55,400
Who? 
Who else? 

3422
02:39:55,400 --> 02:39:56,880
Well, they wouldn't be up front 
like that. 

3423
02:39:56,880 --> 02:39:58,720
That's not where they stand. 
Like the crew is manning the 

3424
02:39:58,720 --> 02:39:59,840
sails. 
They wouldn't be up front. 

3425
02:40:00,280 --> 02:40:02,400
The the, the, the steering's in 
the back. 

3426
02:40:02,560 --> 02:40:05,160
Yeah. 
That's that's. 

3427
02:40:05,240 --> 02:40:07,760
That is a remarkably clean no 
clutter. 

3428
02:40:07,760 --> 02:40:09,600
No, not that ship. 
That's what I think. 

3429
02:40:09,600 --> 02:40:10,840
It looks weird. 
It looks sterile. 

3430
02:40:10,840 --> 02:40:13,280
It looks like a set ship. 
It looks just like a sterile. 

3431
02:40:13,280 --> 02:40:15,680
No, it does not look lived in to
me. 

3432
02:40:15,680 --> 02:40:17,160
Yeah, that I agree with for 
sure. 

3433
02:40:17,160 --> 02:40:25,360
You know, so we have Allen and 
Corliss both taking boats out to

3434
02:40:25,360 --> 02:40:28,360
the Queen, who never was. 
I was almost calling to call it 

3435
02:40:28,360 --> 02:40:30,200
the Sea Snake, but it's been 
recommissioned. 

3436
02:40:31,280 --> 02:40:33,800
And then look at that serious 
look he has on his face. 

3437
02:40:33,800 --> 02:40:36,320
The end of the episode, still 
what Alan and Corliss you. 

3438
02:40:36,880 --> 02:40:38,720
Want to talk about it more? 
Yeah, we just, we only talked 

3439
02:40:38,720 --> 02:40:40,600
about it at the very beginning 
like to say we liked it. 

3440
02:40:40,600 --> 02:40:42,440
I we didn't really speak in 
depth about it at all. 

3441
02:40:42,520 --> 02:40:44,560
OK, sure. 
Corliss has the look on his face

3442
02:40:44,560 --> 02:40:47,520
like he's very serious because 
he just got called out by by 

3443
02:40:47,520 --> 02:40:48,720
Alan. 
I think that's definitely part 

3444
02:40:48,720 --> 02:40:50,360
of what's going on with his his 
expression. 

3445
02:40:50,360 --> 02:40:52,640
Although he is riding off to war
or sailing off to war, so 

3446
02:40:53,000 --> 02:40:53,920
there's a lot of things on his 
mind. 

3447
02:40:53,920 --> 02:40:55,520
Probably. 
I love that he adhered his hand 

3448
02:40:55,520 --> 02:40:58,000
to the queen, pin to his armor. 
I know that is cool. 

3449
02:40:58,000 --> 02:41:01,600
I like that. 
Then Reyna again, this time 

3450
02:41:01,600 --> 02:41:04,440
actually finding the dragon, 
which is pretty cool. 

3451
02:41:04,480 --> 02:41:08,000
We were told sheep sheep stealer
in the book is is ugly and this 

3452
02:41:08,000 --> 02:41:10,640
dragon is I don't know about 
ugly, but it's weird looking. 

3453
02:41:10,640 --> 02:41:12,440
You know, ugly is a super fair 
description. 

3454
02:41:12,440 --> 02:41:15,480
It's like models. 
The skin is uncut is like UN is 

3455
02:41:15,480 --> 02:41:18,560
inconsistent. 
And rough, maybe rough the word 

3456
02:41:18,600 --> 02:41:20,280
I would use. 
Funny looking I guess. 

3457
02:41:20,280 --> 02:41:21,360
I don't know. 
Look at those wings. 

3458
02:41:21,360 --> 02:41:23,520
Like look at how the wings end. 
Yeah, they're all jagged and 

3459
02:41:23,520 --> 02:41:25,080
weird. 
Yeah, weird details that. 

3460
02:41:25,080 --> 02:41:26,680
Yeah, it is. 
That beauty's in the eye of the 

3461
02:41:26,680 --> 02:41:30,880
beholder, but like it's jacked 
up looking like it looks funky. 

3462
02:41:31,040 --> 02:41:32,920
That's why no other Targaryen 
claimed this dragon. 

3463
02:41:32,920 --> 02:41:33,920
I was like, I don't want that 
one. 

3464
02:41:33,920 --> 02:41:35,680
It's ugly. 
Terrain is like a little 

3465
02:41:35,680 --> 02:41:36,880
Taggart. 
It does look bad. 

3466
02:41:36,880 --> 02:41:39,320
It looks dangerous as as hell. 
Like, yeah, you don't mess with 

3467
02:41:39,320 --> 02:41:40,440
that. 
How is she going to pull this 

3468
02:41:40,440 --> 02:41:42,400
off? 
But I do suspect she will. 

3469
02:41:42,400 --> 02:41:43,520
But I'm curious to see how they 
do it. 

3470
02:41:43,520 --> 02:41:46,080
Hopefully she doesn't just walk 
up and that's all it takes. 

3471
02:41:46,080 --> 02:41:50,360
But she is Targaryen, so she has
a head start on, you know, some 

3472
02:41:50,360 --> 02:41:55,560
other people. 
So Otto imprisoned, Whoa, we 

3473
02:41:55,560 --> 02:41:57,800
found him, but we don't know 
where this prison is. 

3474
02:41:57,800 --> 02:41:59,840
So found him. 
Kind of not exactly found him. 

3475
02:41:59,840 --> 02:42:01,880
We, we, we spotted him. 
We don't know where this prison 

3476
02:42:01,880 --> 02:42:03,880
is. 
We don't know who's got him. 

3477
02:42:04,080 --> 02:42:07,280
There's a lot of possibilities. 
It could be anyone from Laris 

3478
02:42:07,280 --> 02:42:10,280
himself, which would be weird 
for Laris to like imprison him 

3479
02:42:10,280 --> 02:42:12,000
and then leave, but not the 
weirdest thing. 

3480
02:42:12,040 --> 02:42:15,960
Yeah, we see this shot before 
Laris leaves the Red Keep as the

3481
02:42:15,960 --> 02:42:19,480
one thing I want to say about 
the placement in the shot, like 

3482
02:42:19,480 --> 02:42:23,760
Laris leaves after we see this, 
which is a point in the favor. 

3483
02:42:23,840 --> 02:42:26,280
But why would lorries have Otto 
and not just kill? 

3484
02:42:27,040 --> 02:42:29,520
That's what I don't understand. 
Yeah, I think you're right. 

3485
02:42:29,520 --> 02:42:32,760
If lorries wanted to to take out
Otto, he'd just kill him. 

3486
02:42:32,760 --> 02:42:34,840
He wouldn't imprison him. 
Yeah, I don't, unless he has 

3487
02:42:34,840 --> 02:42:38,040
some larger plan, but that's the
point against lorries. 

3488
02:42:38,200 --> 02:42:40,960
So other people have thought, 
we've heard a lot this season 

3489
02:42:40,960 --> 02:42:44,680
about the bees, berries, for 
example, and there are other 

3490
02:42:44,680 --> 02:42:47,000
people who might side with the 
blacks who might take a 

3491
02:42:47,000 --> 02:42:48,560
prisoner. 
So there's a few theories. 

3492
02:42:48,720 --> 02:42:52,960
We'll talk about it in our later
episode, but I think for me the 

3493
02:42:52,960 --> 02:42:56,960
top two choices are lorries or 
the bees, berries or my like 

3494
02:42:57,200 --> 02:42:59,360
frontrunners, and I think they 
both have flaws. 

3495
02:42:59,520 --> 02:43:00,720
Yeah, I agree. 
What do you think, Sean? 

3496
02:43:01,240 --> 02:43:04,320
The fact that they showed it 
seems like someone coming to 

3497
02:43:04,320 --> 02:43:09,440
Otto and then immediately we see
lorries leaving with Aegon makes

3498
02:43:09,440 --> 02:43:13,200
me think that he's getting Otto 
out of there too, maybe coming 

3499
02:43:13,200 --> 02:43:14,760
with them or going to the same 
place. 

3500
02:43:15,720 --> 02:43:17,840
I, I, I don't know, I'm not dead
set on that at all. 

3501
02:43:17,840 --> 02:43:20,720
It's just a thought that I had. 
My other thought my, my first 

3502
02:43:20,720 --> 02:43:23,240
instinct was the bees Berry. 
Is that something, it seemed to 

3503
02:43:23,240 --> 02:43:26,480
be kind of pointing to my 
problem with that and many other

3504
02:43:26,720 --> 02:43:30,360
potential candidates is it, why 
would they keep it secret? 

3505
02:43:30,360 --> 02:43:33,320
He's a valuable prisoner. 
You should be asking for a 

3506
02:43:33,320 --> 02:43:36,400
ransom or demanding some 
exchange or if you attack the 

3507
02:43:36,400 --> 02:43:38,400
city will kill him or etcetera, 
etcetera. 

3508
02:43:38,560 --> 02:43:40,560
Whoever has him is trying to 
keep it secret. 

3509
02:43:40,960 --> 02:43:42,560
That steers me back toward 
Laurie's. 

3510
02:43:43,240 --> 02:43:47,240
So an important detail in this 
carriage, technically it's we 

3511
02:43:47,240 --> 02:43:50,240
see Otto imprisoned, then we see
more Allison leaving and then we

3512
02:43:50,240 --> 02:43:52,000
see Aegon and Lyre. 
So it's there's one thing in 

3513
02:43:52,000 --> 02:43:53,280
between but not a big 
difference. 

3514
02:43:53,920 --> 02:43:56,760
There's Ravens in this carriage.
This is like one of those Raven 

3515
02:43:56,760 --> 02:43:59,120
carriages where the Ravens are 
being sent back to the place 

3516
02:43:59,120 --> 02:44:02,440
that to a castle that they can 
then fly to King's Landing. 

3517
02:44:02,680 --> 02:44:05,040
Cause Ravens only go one way for
the most part. 

3518
02:44:05,920 --> 02:44:07,440
So they have to be shipped back 
like this. 

3519
02:44:08,360 --> 02:44:11,200
So that's pretty interesting. 
So that might give a clue that 

3520
02:44:11,200 --> 02:44:13,680
they're going to some castle. 
But it also is explains kind of 

3521
02:44:13,680 --> 02:44:15,880
how they got out of the city. 
They, they got into one of these

3522
02:44:16,440 --> 02:44:21,400
licensed Raven carriers and, and
with that, we're able to get out

3523
02:44:21,400 --> 02:44:23,120
of the city. 
By the way, this is kind of a 

3524
02:44:23,160 --> 02:44:25,040
complete aside. 
I just thought of it randomly. 

3525
02:44:25,200 --> 02:44:26,720
I know this question came up 
earlier. 

3526
02:44:27,280 --> 02:44:29,280
Damon's army does have 
Blackwoods in it. 

3527
02:44:29,440 --> 02:44:31,880
I saw a Blackwood soldier 
amongst the soldiers there. 

3528
02:44:31,880 --> 02:44:36,160
So they didn't like turn on him 
because he executed Willem. 

3529
02:44:36,160 --> 02:44:38,720
They're still, they're still 
going, they're still following 

3530
02:44:38,720 --> 02:44:41,320
their Liege Lord's command 
Despite that. 

3531
02:44:41,320 --> 02:44:44,480
So that's, I wish I brought that
up at the appropriate time 

3532
02:44:44,480 --> 02:44:46,040
instead of right here. 
But hey, wanted to get it in 

3533
02:44:46,040 --> 02:44:47,400
before we were done. 
And we're getting pretty close 

3534
02:44:47,400 --> 02:44:49,440
to that. 
So yeah, we'll have to consider 

3535
02:44:49,440 --> 02:44:51,680
more about where Lars might be 
and we might come up some other,

3536
02:44:51,680 --> 02:44:53,320
I mean, sorry, Otto, where he 
might be. 

3537
02:44:53,320 --> 02:44:55,040
And we'll have to consider some 
other theories potentially, 

3538
02:44:55,040 --> 02:44:58,080
maybe some other ideas will pop 
up, other thoughts. 

3539
02:44:58,720 --> 02:45:01,120
But yeah, that is the end of the
montage. 

3540
02:45:01,440 --> 02:45:03,720
And that is basically the end of
the episode for us. 

3541
02:45:03,720 --> 02:45:08,600
We, as I said, we'll be 
reuniting on Sunday at our usual

3542
02:45:09,600 --> 02:45:13,000
time of three to do a full 
season wrap up where we can pick

3543
02:45:13,000 --> 02:45:15,600
up on some of these topics that 
we maybe want to flesh out a 

3544
02:45:15,600 --> 02:45:18,560
little more things that we have 
more thoughts on, looking at the

3545
02:45:18,560 --> 02:45:22,480
season as a whole, looking at 
certain character arcs, things 

3546
02:45:22,480 --> 02:45:23,840
like that should be a lot of 
fun. 

3547
02:45:24,280 --> 02:45:27,920
And then we'll continue on with 
more post season coverage for 

3548
02:45:28,840 --> 02:45:32,320
working our way back to book 
coverage as the year winds down.

3549
02:45:32,880 --> 02:45:37,280
So we certainly encourage you 
all to send your thoughts, 

3550
02:45:37,280 --> 02:45:40,320
certainly on the whole season or
just this episode or any 

3551
02:45:40,320 --> 02:45:42,680
thoughts you may have, any 
questions you may have, things 

3552
02:45:42,680 --> 02:45:44,840
like that. 
We'd certainly like to hear from

3553
02:45:44,840 --> 02:45:47,080
y'all. 
Did not feel that I did a 

3554
02:45:47,080 --> 02:45:51,520
service to Abu's scene as Alan 
to only mention it as my 

3555
02:45:51,520 --> 02:45:53,040
favorite performance at the 
beginning. 

3556
02:45:53,040 --> 02:45:56,840
I wanted to really talk a bit 
more about this, which is that 

3557
02:45:57,360 --> 02:46:00,840
it is implied he talks about how
he had to live with grief, 

3558
02:46:00,840 --> 02:46:03,720
right? 
Which implies to me strongly 

3559
02:46:03,720 --> 02:46:08,360
that their mother, mouse, 
Marilda of Hull, died in the 

3560
02:46:08,360 --> 02:46:11,280
interim years. 
That because he's much, and in 

3561
02:46:11,280 --> 02:46:14,080
the book, Alan is 15, he's a 15 
year old boy. 

3562
02:46:14,360 --> 02:46:17,000
OK, He does try to ride a 
dragon. 

3563
02:46:17,000 --> 02:46:21,040
And it, this explains to me why 
he has changed so much that he's

3564
02:46:21,040 --> 02:46:25,880
gone through 15 years of raising
his brother on his own, of 

3565
02:46:25,880 --> 02:46:31,280
struggling, of seeing Corliss 
and Lenore and Lena and, and, 

3566
02:46:31,280 --> 02:46:33,600
and being envious and having to 
come to terms with it. 

3567
02:46:33,600 --> 02:46:37,680
And I just, I just wanted to 
bring up how I felt that they 

3568
02:46:37,800 --> 02:46:41,240
changed something in the 
timeline, the plot, the ages, 

3569
02:46:41,440 --> 02:46:46,360
and they let it play out in a 
way that I found to be very real

3570
02:46:46,560 --> 02:46:51,240
to, to what I would expect from 
a, a, a young man whose father 

3571
02:46:51,520 --> 02:46:56,200
left him in the lurch for his 
whole life and comes in and 

3572
02:46:56,200 --> 02:46:58,160
expects him to be just be 
grateful. 

3573
02:46:58,320 --> 02:47:02,760
And, and Corliss is so clueless 
to what Alan has been through 

3574
02:47:02,880 --> 02:47:04,760
and to the struggles of the 
small folk. 

3575
02:47:04,760 --> 02:47:06,720
And in terms of like, we talk a 
lot about the season, but like 

3576
02:47:07,280 --> 02:47:10,680
small folks plate and, you know,
all eating all the little birds 

3577
02:47:10,680 --> 02:47:15,000
and all that, like it all speaks
to the same, the same plate, 

3578
02:47:15,000 --> 02:47:17,400
which is that these people are 
struggling. 

3579
02:47:17,400 --> 02:47:21,400
They are trying to make ends 
meet and I don't know, I just, 

3580
02:47:21,440 --> 02:47:24,320
I, I loved this scene. 
I loved his performance. 

3581
02:47:24,320 --> 02:47:27,640
I loved it in the context of, 
again, seeing the scene with 

3582
02:47:27,680 --> 02:47:30,240
with Ulf and Adam and them at 
table. 

3583
02:47:30,360 --> 02:47:33,640
When you have to compare how 
much struggle all of these 

3584
02:47:33,640 --> 02:47:36,320
characters went through. 
And yeah, I don't know. 

3585
02:47:36,400 --> 02:47:40,040
I love this actor. 
I look forward to seeing him in 

3586
02:47:40,040 --> 02:47:44,640
season three more than ever. 
He has cemented himself as one 

3587
02:47:44,640 --> 02:47:48,240
of my favorite characters in the
show with this performance and 

3588
02:47:48,240 --> 02:47:51,640
thinking about he clearly took 
good care of Adam because Adam 

3589
02:47:51,640 --> 02:47:54,160
is is a little bit like, you 
know, he's. 

3590
02:47:54,160 --> 02:47:56,760
More optimistic yeah, he's he's 
got a better worldview. 

3591
02:47:56,760 --> 02:47:58,080
Yeah. 
He doesn't have the the same 

3592
02:47:58,080 --> 02:48:02,920
dark like grief and pain. 
And yeah, he's probably because 

3593
02:48:02,920 --> 02:48:05,080
Alan shielded him from from from
a lot of that. 

3594
02:48:05,080 --> 02:48:07,520
Yeah, yeah. 
Just to back up a little more of

3595
02:48:07,520 --> 02:48:08,680
what you're saying too, on top 
of that. 

3596
02:48:08,680 --> 02:48:11,040
Yeah. 
The the book version, they're 

3597
02:48:11,040 --> 02:48:11,920
not. 
They're not poor. 

3598
02:48:11,960 --> 02:48:13,320
Yeah. 
So maybe we're supposed to 

3599
02:48:13,320 --> 02:48:16,680
believe that they weren't poor 
and then Moralda died and that's

3600
02:48:16,680 --> 02:48:19,480
what then they became poor. 
Or maybe they just did more of a

3601
02:48:19,480 --> 02:48:21,520
change and. 
That's a good point. 

3602
02:48:21,520 --> 02:48:21,840
Thank you. 
She. 

3603
02:48:21,840 --> 02:48:23,520
Died much younger. 
That that's a very because they 

3604
02:48:23,520 --> 02:48:25,560
were kind of the merchant class,
because he's a ship. 

3605
02:48:25,600 --> 02:48:28,680
They, they have a trade, you 
know, like they aren't the same 

3606
02:48:28,680 --> 02:48:30,600
as just small folk. 
They are merchants. 

3607
02:48:30,600 --> 02:48:32,360
Yeah, they have skills. 
Yeah, yeah. 

3608
02:48:32,600 --> 02:48:35,080
So that that's a great, great 
point that that's another 

3609
02:48:35,080 --> 02:48:38,480
difference that they they don't 
seem to have had their mother 

3610
02:48:38,480 --> 02:48:40,360
for at least a large part of 
this. 

3611
02:48:40,360 --> 02:48:43,280
And and yeah, I mean, talk 
something Sean's you talk about 

3612
02:48:43,280 --> 02:48:45,800
how like something could be a 
whole story, a whole show on its

3613
02:48:45,800 --> 02:48:48,000
own. 
And this is one of those moments

3614
02:48:48,000 --> 02:48:51,840
where it's like, this is such a 
a rich, rich story. 

3615
02:48:52,320 --> 02:48:55,440
Well, Sir. 
I want to think more even about 

3616
02:48:56,120 --> 02:49:00,120
his line when he said, you know,
when this is over, I'm going to 

3617
02:49:00,120 --> 02:49:01,800
go back to where I was before 
alone. 

3618
02:49:02,400 --> 02:49:04,840
It's it'd be interesting to 
think about all the different 

3619
02:49:04,840 --> 02:49:07,120
characters, where they were 
before and what they're going to

3620
02:49:07,120 --> 02:49:09,520
go to when this is all over, 
because whom they live, you 

3621
02:49:09,520 --> 02:49:11,440
know? 
Yeah, yeah, Maybe I should have 

3622
02:49:11,440 --> 02:49:13,280
included him on the list of 
people that had a big turning 

3623
02:49:13,280 --> 02:49:15,480
point because he, he he's the 
same person. 

3624
02:49:15,480 --> 02:49:18,760
But now that he's had it out 
with his father, that kind of 

3625
02:49:18,960 --> 02:49:20,880
it's a pretty big deal. 
Like he said these things out 

3626
02:49:20,880 --> 02:49:22,280
loud that he's been holding on 
to his whole life. 

3627
02:49:22,280 --> 02:49:25,320
And I don't know that's going to
change who he is or make him 

3628
02:49:25,320 --> 02:49:27,360
more about who he is. 
But Corley certainly has a 

3629
02:49:27,360 --> 02:49:29,440
different view now. 
And that's that's another big 

3630
02:49:29,440 --> 02:49:31,040
part of this is how he's going 
to react to it. 

3631
02:49:31,040 --> 02:49:33,200
We haven't really seen it. 
He's just, he's mostly just like

3632
02:49:33,520 --> 02:49:37,120
sitting with it and like vibing 
with it and like, well, I was 

3633
02:49:37,240 --> 02:49:40,800
like, yeah, maybe I was a bad 
father or maybe who knows what's

3634
02:49:40,800 --> 02:49:42,600
in his mind now, but he's 
thinking about it, I'm pretty 

3635
02:49:42,600 --> 02:49:45,040
sure. 
And even Alan in this moment is 

3636
02:49:45,040 --> 02:49:47,880
sort of venting this lifelong 
frustration. 

3637
02:49:48,240 --> 02:49:50,080
I wonder if he really thinks 
he'll be alone. 

3638
02:49:50,080 --> 02:49:53,920
Does he not consider his brother
to be with him, you know, And 

3639
02:49:54,400 --> 02:49:57,400
what what does he want? 
Does he want his dad to make 

3640
02:49:57,400 --> 02:50:00,120
amends? 
Or is he just so bitter he just 

3641
02:50:00,120 --> 02:50:01,560
never wants to see him again? 
Like. 

3642
02:50:01,960 --> 02:50:05,280
I'm I'm trying to imagine. 
In a theoretical way that 

3643
02:50:05,280 --> 02:50:08,560
Corliss might be able to 
reconnect with the sun somehow 

3644
02:50:08,960 --> 02:50:13,040
if Alan, you know, if that did 
come to fruition somehow, would 

3645
02:50:13,040 --> 02:50:17,080
Alan regret what he said here or
was it because of what he said 

3646
02:50:17,080 --> 02:50:18,600
here that it might spur some 
change? 

3647
02:50:18,640 --> 02:50:21,760
Yeah, it's a very. 
Is that all you have for me 

3648
02:50:21,760 --> 02:50:23,880
after all this time? 
A reminder to be grateful. 

3649
02:50:23,880 --> 02:50:25,280
That's such a good line. 
Like, oof. 

3650
02:50:25,360 --> 02:50:28,200
Yeah, man. 
I don't want to stop any more 

3651
02:50:28,200 --> 02:50:29,920
conversation about this, but I 
have one other. 

3652
02:50:31,120 --> 02:50:34,840
We're trying to end, so whatever
you want to say, time to do it. 

3653
02:50:35,680 --> 02:50:38,680
You know, when that montage 
came, you know, with the story, 

3654
02:50:38,920 --> 02:50:41,080
we, we spent a lot of time in 
the beginning and then went back

3655
02:50:41,080 --> 02:50:44,600
to the, you know, the Thailand 
Lohar bit and then kind of 

3656
02:50:44,600 --> 02:50:47,240
bounced around between a lot of 
other things and spent a lot of 

3657
02:50:47,240 --> 02:50:48,760
time there. 
That, that that scene with 

3658
02:50:48,760 --> 02:50:52,040
Allison and Raniero was, was 
kind of long. 

3659
02:50:52,320 --> 02:50:55,400
And then bam bam, bam, bam with 
this, this quick montage of all 

3660
02:50:55,400 --> 02:50:58,840
the things going going on, kind 
of tying it all together. 

3661
02:50:59,080 --> 02:51:02,400
And I thought for sure, and at 
montage we would get a spicy 

3662
02:51:02,400 --> 02:51:04,920
scene of Thailand with all those
wives. 

3663
02:51:07,560 --> 02:51:10,400
But instead we got the CGI both 
seen. 

3664
02:51:10,400 --> 02:51:12,560
Oh well. 
Also from that interview with 

3665
02:51:12,560 --> 02:51:14,240
Abigail Thorne, it was a great 
read. 

3666
02:51:14,240 --> 02:51:20,640
She said in her mind, Of course,
of course Scirocco is when she, 

3667
02:51:20,720 --> 02:51:24,200
when she asks him to sleep with 
all of her wives, she's saying 

3668
02:51:24,200 --> 02:51:27,440
with me there like I will be 
there while you do this, we are 

3669
02:51:27,440 --> 02:51:29,800
going to, to screw my wives 
together. 

3670
02:51:29,920 --> 02:51:32,680
Which is also where Abigail 
comes in to say she ships them 

3671
02:51:32,680 --> 02:51:35,600
like they if, if this has 
happened, they have been 

3672
02:51:35,600 --> 02:51:37,920
intimate and with one another in
some way. 

3673
02:51:37,920 --> 02:51:39,680
I don't know. 
I I am intrigued. 

3674
02:51:39,760 --> 02:51:41,160
Yeah, it's already happened by 
that point then. 

3675
02:51:41,160 --> 02:51:43,400
So yeah, they've already. 
Yeah, like they've already 

3676
02:51:43,400 --> 02:51:47,240
conceivably hooked up. 
Maybe not one-on-one, but in a 

3677
02:51:47,240 --> 02:51:51,360
large group of people they have,
you know, anyways, I, I, I know 

3678
02:51:51,360 --> 02:51:54,080
a lot of people are haters about
this and I think, but I think 

3679
02:51:54,080 --> 02:51:56,320
most of the people that didn't 
like it just didn't like it in 

3680
02:51:56,320 --> 02:52:00,080
the context of the finale, you 
know, like, I, I don't think a 

3681
02:52:00,080 --> 02:52:01,640
lot of people just hated this 
period. 

3682
02:52:01,640 --> 02:52:04,520
I saw a lot of that complaint 
like, yeah, this, this wasn't a 

3683
02:52:04,520 --> 02:52:06,520
thing wrong with this episode, 
but it wasn't it shouldn't have 

3684
02:52:06,520 --> 02:52:09,200
been the finale, which blame 
HBO. 

3685
02:52:10,000 --> 02:52:11,680
Make sure you put your anger in 
the right spot. 

3686
02:52:11,680 --> 02:52:13,120
I blame HBO. 
I don't know why. 

3687
02:52:13,120 --> 02:52:15,200
I don't know why you blame the 
showrunners when they they're 

3688
02:52:15,480 --> 02:52:18,200
given a last minute directive to
cut the cut the season short. 

3689
02:52:19,040 --> 02:52:20,960
I'm just all the more excited 
for the next season. 

3690
02:52:20,960 --> 02:52:23,640
I'm just on the edge of my seat.
I guess it's frustrating to be 

3691
02:52:23,640 --> 02:52:26,360
on the edge of your seat for two
years, but actually even going 

3692
02:52:26,360 --> 02:52:28,400
it Junk and egg is your. 
Blood will get kind of sore 

3693
02:52:28,400 --> 02:52:32,200
being that way, yeah. 
Your ties will get strong. 

3694
02:52:32,200 --> 02:52:34,320
Yeah, but you certainly won't 
have to hear it. 

3695
02:52:34,320 --> 02:52:35,840
Wait two years to hear from us 
again. 

3696
02:52:36,640 --> 02:52:38,680
Oh yeah, we didn't mention we 
ever mentioned Tasarian. 

3697
02:52:38,680 --> 02:52:39,760
Yeah, we skipped over that one. 
We. 

3698
02:52:39,800 --> 02:52:41,560
Didn't say that we see. 
It's in the. 

3699
02:52:41,560 --> 02:52:43,840
It's in the montage list here, 
but we skipped past it. 

3700
02:52:45,280 --> 02:52:48,040
So yeah, the Hightowers were on 
the March before the Starks were

3701
02:52:48,040 --> 02:52:50,600
on the March. 
And we see Deron's dragon. 

3702
02:52:50,600 --> 02:52:52,680
We don't really see Deron 
because he's on there, but, you 

3703
02:52:52,680 --> 02:52:54,960
know, they haven't cast him yet.
But yeah, a little blue. 

3704
02:52:54,960 --> 02:52:57,280
The Blue Queen is that Dragon's 
nickname, Sean. 

3705
02:52:57,920 --> 02:53:00,280
Kind of like the Red Queen, but 
a lot younger. 

3706
02:53:00,280 --> 02:53:01,800
This dragon isn't old like the 
Red Queen. 

3707
02:53:01,800 --> 02:53:04,880
This is a dragon roughly the 
same age as its rider, which is 

3708
02:53:04,880 --> 02:53:08,240
about 16. 
You know, I, I, I know we're 

3709
02:53:08,240 --> 02:53:10,240
trying to sum this up, but if 
we're going back to the montage 

3710
02:53:10,240 --> 02:53:14,040
again, I want to point out often
when I'm watching a film or TV 

3711
02:53:14,040 --> 02:53:18,040
show or whatever, maybe not 
often every now and then I'm 

3712
02:53:18,040 --> 02:53:20,240
like, how do they make, how do 
they get that shot? 

3713
02:53:20,440 --> 02:53:23,280
And, and this current generation
of filmmaking? 

3714
02:53:23,280 --> 02:53:29,240
Often the answer is a drone or 
CGI, but that shot from up high 

3715
02:53:29,240 --> 02:53:32,640
on the bridge coming down into 
this dark soldiers like down to 

3716
02:53:32,640 --> 02:53:34,760
their feet and turning around 
backwards. 

3717
02:53:35,720 --> 02:53:37,200
I I was like, how did they do 
that? 

3718
02:53:37,200 --> 02:53:38,640
I don't understand where the 
watch. 

3719
02:53:38,640 --> 02:53:40,680
The behind the scenes they show 
you, it's really incredible. 

3720
02:53:40,680 --> 02:53:42,400
Oh, that's what you're going to 
say? 

3721
02:53:42,400 --> 02:53:43,960
I was. 
Glad in the behind the scenes 

3722
02:53:43,960 --> 02:53:46,080
that they talked about that 
because when I saw that scenes 

3723
02:53:46,080 --> 02:53:48,840
like how did they do that so. 
It was really incredible. 

3724
02:53:48,840 --> 02:53:49,760
Yeah. 
It didn't occur to me. 

3725
02:53:49,760 --> 02:53:52,040
I'm not as quiet as on top of 
things as you are when it comes 

3726
02:53:52,040 --> 02:53:54,360
to like filming directions and 
angles and stuff like that. 

3727
02:53:54,360 --> 02:53:56,360
But seeing the behind the scenes
on that, yeah, that was 

3728
02:53:56,360 --> 02:53:57,520
impressive. 
They built this whole pulley 

3729
02:53:57,520 --> 02:54:01,040
system and something like 7000 
wires to connect it all and it 

3730
02:54:01,040 --> 02:54:02,200
was like, yeah, it's really 
impressive. 

3731
02:54:02,960 --> 02:54:06,680
So again, another like just a 
creative impressive thing that 

3732
02:54:06,680 --> 02:54:08,560
happened behind the scenes that 
you may not even be aware of. 

3733
02:54:08,560 --> 02:54:10,920
And it's like, yeah, people will
dismiss the whole episode 

3734
02:54:10,920 --> 02:54:12,680
because of one thing they don't 
like. 

3735
02:54:12,680 --> 02:54:16,000
I'm like, well, well, that's not
my, that's not how I engage with

3736
02:54:16,000 --> 02:54:17,960
with media like this. 
So I guess we're just different.

3737
02:54:18,120 --> 02:54:22,400
But that's, you know, your 
mileage may vary. 

3738
02:54:22,400 --> 02:54:25,200
Obviously my way isn't superior.
Shawn's way isn't superior or 

3739
02:54:25,200 --> 02:54:26,760
Shay's way is superior. 
No, I'm just. 

3740
02:54:27,480 --> 02:54:29,960
Kidding, I am. 
The best we we. 

3741
02:54:30,120 --> 02:54:32,040
She didn't give herself that 
title. 

3742
02:54:32,040 --> 02:54:35,520
So you know, it's not it's she's
not the Sea snake naming her own

3743
02:54:35,520 --> 02:54:37,920
ship after herself. 
She didn't we we dubbed her the 

3744
02:54:37,920 --> 02:54:39,920
best. 
So that's how you earn a 

3745
02:54:39,920 --> 02:54:41,800
nickname. 
You can't be like Aegon calling 

3746
02:54:41,800 --> 02:54:43,400
yourself Aegon the realm's 
delight. 

3747
02:54:44,360 --> 02:54:46,160
You got to get it. 
You got to earn it like a Shaya 

3748
02:54:46,160 --> 02:54:49,640
has. 
So everybody, we've enjoyed the 

3749
02:54:49,640 --> 02:54:52,960
season with you and we hope you 
continue to stick with us for 

3750
02:54:52,960 --> 02:54:55,920
some fun additional coverage and
then post season coverage and 

3751
02:54:55,920 --> 02:54:59,160
book coverage and all the other 
fun stuff we do here at History 

3752
02:54:59,160 --> 02:55:01,560
of Westeros. 
We've got plenty more to come. 

3753
02:55:01,720 --> 02:55:04,320
We never stop. 
We take the occasional week off,

3754
02:55:04,320 --> 02:55:08,880
but that's about it. 
So thanks to you all for being a

3755
02:55:08,880 --> 02:55:13,320
part of our Season 2 experience.
Thanks to all of you who came to

3756
02:55:13,320 --> 02:55:16,640
our live streams or who 
commented on our Facebook group 

3757
02:55:16,640 --> 02:55:18,960
or engage with us on other 
social media, whether it's 

3758
02:55:18,960 --> 02:55:22,600
Discord or Twitter, whatever 
that site's called these days, 

3759
02:55:23,280 --> 02:55:25,720
and all the other places you can
engage with us. 

3760
02:55:26,160 --> 02:55:29,320
And we absolutely appreciate all
the things you say to your 

3761
02:55:29,320 --> 02:55:31,400
friends about us because we know
that that's one of the most 

3762
02:55:31,400 --> 02:55:35,120
important ways and best ways for
word of our show to spread is 

3763
02:55:35,400 --> 02:55:37,200
through people telling each 
other it's better than 

3764
02:55:37,200 --> 02:55:39,760
advertisements, better than 
better than anything else. 

3765
02:55:40,040 --> 02:55:41,680
Follow me on Twitter at Dancing 
Sean. 

3766
02:55:41,680 --> 02:55:43,080
I haven't made that plug in a 
long time. 

3767
02:55:43,080 --> 02:55:45,520
Yeah, at dancing, Sean, do that.
Follow Sean. 

3768
02:55:46,200 --> 02:55:48,280
Elizabeth Ashcraft sends a super
chat. 

3769
02:55:48,480 --> 02:55:50,000
No question, but thank you, 
Elizabeth. 

3770
02:55:50,000 --> 02:55:54,200
Appreciate that. 
Thanks as well to Joey, Jesse 

3771
02:55:54,200 --> 02:55:56,920
and Bran. 
Our music makes our show better.

3772
02:55:57,280 --> 02:56:01,560
We they're like our mini 
versions of Ramen Jawadi. 

3773
02:56:01,560 --> 02:56:03,520
You know, they're making great 
music for us. 

3774
02:56:03,960 --> 02:56:06,440
But also thanks to Michael 
Arfeld for his maps. 

3775
02:56:06,800 --> 02:56:10,360
Thanks to Bran for the intro and
Michael as well again for our 

3776
02:56:10,360 --> 02:56:13,600
regular intro that we'll be 
seeing a little more often as we

3777
02:56:13,600 --> 02:56:17,360
get back to book coverage and, 
you know, all know what to do. 

3778
02:56:17,480 --> 02:56:20,640
And before the next episode. 
Between every episode, it's the 

3779
02:56:20,640 --> 02:56:24,520
same. 
You should always Valar reread 

3780
02:56:24,520 --> 02:56:25,000
us.