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Episode 2 foot long. 
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of all the important stage 
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As part of the stage setting, 
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themes of confidence in various 
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We'll discuss that as it 
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Especially for Dunk. 
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Arlen's life, but still thankful
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to be. 
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introductions, a lot more egg, a
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word from the novella, and we 
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action. 
All that and more on this 

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episode of History of Westeros 
podcast. 

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Hello and welcome everybody. 
It's hard salt beef time. 

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We're here at six O clock every 
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a little bit before and after to
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And of course we do some preview
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real short, about 20-30 minutes.
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followed by a Duncan Egg game 
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Over on twitch.tv/history of 
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We have our brand new video 
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It's super cool of the vibe that
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going to unfold. 
So great job, Bran, and wouldn't

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be ATV show review without 
checking in on Sean's drink. 

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I noticed it was green. 
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certainly not what it is every 
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What we got this time, Sean? 
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tell, but it's kind of a 
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this the Green Machine Naked 
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the black cherry sparkling ice 
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Right on. 
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last part about it tasting 
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questions about the show, the 
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stuff, anything, you can also 
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most, didn't like favorite 
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you all as part of our coverage.
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later, Westeros 
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every social media platform. 
Let's start with the trivia 

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question, which Knight of the 
Kings card dueled Damon 

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Blackfire during the Battle of 
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Answer will be revealed at the 
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during the episode. 
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about our favorite performances 
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but it's back in its familiar 
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demand. 
So we'll start with favorite 

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So while you all are listening 
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performances and why you all who
are here live and those of you 

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voting on Spotify later because 
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podcast version and video 
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choices. 
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favorite performance by a non 
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all to pick from. 
And the choices are Baylor make 

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our Steely Pate and Tanzel and 
we'll start with you. 

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Sean, who was your favorite 
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Egg character in Episode 2? 
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there's not as much to work with
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central characters. 
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Is different than Game of 
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this little subtlety, it's close
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The moment when Dunk is asking 
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You know, that that whole 
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about it was Egg kind of like 
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what I mean? 
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think she got this guy kind of 
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Maybe she has a crush on him 
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introductions and flirting or 
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He doesn't know what to paint. 

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He had this idea, but he didn't 
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like she's trying to prompt them
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too. 
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directing, editing, writing, 
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Right on. 
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And I, it's, it's funny how I 
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confidence there, but Agate was.
Confidence. 

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Confidence or like thereof. 
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Lack of confidence is a form of 
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Asha, what about you? 
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performance by non dunk nor egg 
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I'm going to go with Sam Spruill
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Herald. 
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mispronounced his name. 
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portrayal than I expected, but I
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think than I expected. 
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interesting because the egg this
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he talks about making someone's 
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And I'm like, oh, he heard his 
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Like I think he gets that from 
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That's a good catch. 
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The the connecting the crass 
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several times in both book and 
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a square, shouldn't talk like 
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So for my choice, I I was really
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was, I was very pleased, but I 
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was. 
I didn't have this very specific

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experience, expectations. 
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character, obviously, but I 
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possibility. 
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for me was a little easier to 
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serene confidence is the way I 
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He's like later in the episode I
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I'll just say it now. 
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He knows he's in charge. 
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knows you know he's in charge. 
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nothing to prove. 
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confidence. 
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with that. 
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the poll. 
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Tanzel, and we'll move on to our
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But also honorable mention to 
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young Ashford daughter, and 
Aryan who. 

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Loved that that's Lady Gwynn. 
I know Lady Gwynn shout out 

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radio esteros. 
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of Aryan next episode and we'll 
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There's definitely scenes that I
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yet. 
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more of him. 
So let's talk about our favorite

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scene though, specific favorite 
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Sean, what do you got for us 
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So my favorite scene was a 
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that involved Duncan Egg when 
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Tansel when he's kind of 
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that how to say it was that I'll
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I can't remember the the term he
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Zach, I think I'll handled and 
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good. 
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with the tan cell one. 
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scene was finishing up and dunks
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paint my shield. 
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walk away and egg and tan cell 
stand there for a moment and 

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both slightly react before he 
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give you this shield, you know, 
like that. 

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They're just still a little bit 
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He's more antsy about the whole 
thing than she was right. 

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And that continues when he's 
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He's like, was that old handled?
That was old handled? 

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He's like questioning himself. 
Like what was that Catch me if 

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you can line when you enter 
DiCaprio and he's like. 

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Why didn't I just? 
Concur. 

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Yeah. 
Why did I just concur? 

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Like looking back, you know what
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you know, but it, it kept being 
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multiple levels, but the framing
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Like I, I want to give credit 
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directing, choreography, 
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The way they were seated, they 
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Like, I really think that plays 
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facing each other because Egg 
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follow up. 
When he's like everyone tells me

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I'm dumb and eggs like, and you 
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like going through these 
anticipatory facial expressions,

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waiting for some follow up and 
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and looking out of the crowd. 
He has no intended follow up, I 

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think. 
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doesn't have an intended to 
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Dunk can't see the eggs 
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I think if they're facing each 
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other and the conversation goes 
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But the way it went was so 
telling and entertaining and 

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well orchestrated and acted and 
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I I think that was a great 
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Can I tell you, Sean, the other 
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to say about how it was staged 
that I like was that they have 

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eggs sit up on the table and 
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exact right height really, so 
that they are at eye level. 

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They're at the same level. 
You know, they're talking kind 

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of a little bit more as peers. 
Although I think Egg wants to 

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see him as like someone to 
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They really are more of a closer
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Especially in this moment when 
Egg is kind of asking for advice

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and it starts off with Dunk kind
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Eggs kind of asking advice from 
Dunk. 

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And both are kind of failing. 
They are, they are kind of 

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equals in their ineptness in 
this moment. 

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And, and yeah, that, that is a 
good point, too. 

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And, and I'm not even touching 
on like, the details of what 

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they're actually saying and the 
thoughts going through their 

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heads. 
Like, I'll bring it up again 

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later, but talking about himself
being CUNY and can I really be a

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knight wondering about that? 
You know, I think it's lots of 

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thematic things we're being hit 
on in this scene. 

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That's part of the confidence. 
Discussion. 

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Absolutely. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah. 
For real. 

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O'Shea, what about you? 
Favorite scene? 

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I'm going to say two scenes, 
really, a series of scenes. 

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One is the Oscar Island 
flashbacks. 

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But because not not because of 
his prodigious member, but 

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because of how effective they 
were. 

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Sure, sweet, you know, 
meaningful. 

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You see the way that he taught 
Dunk and impacted Dunk. 

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You see how even when things 
were maybe looking pretty rough 

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and they're like under a tree in
the rain, they're still able to 

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laugh together, You know, you 
see the thing that appeals to 

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Egg about this, this lifestyle. 
So I thought it was a really 

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beautiful series of scenes with 
with Dunk narrating it and 

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showing the life that Egg is 
kind of signing up for right 

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now. 
I like that a lot. 

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And then the kind of culmination
in that of him selling Sweet 

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Foot, which I thought was very 
sad, very emotional, but just 

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had had to be done. 
You know, like he he he can't 

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have these three horses. 
He needs, he needs armor, he 

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needs so many other things. 
So he used to pay for his 

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painted shield, you know, 
etcetera. 

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So like, it's really, really, 
really sad, but I think 

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essential. 
Yeah, well said. 

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I think if you were to add up 
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that episode, I I don't even 
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but they're probably like 6 or 8
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So you're very right that 
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little time. 
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for me. 
I'm just sticking with the great

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Baylor and just going with that 
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Baylor and Makar because you've 
got those great performances and

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I I really loved plumbers. 
Just deer in the headlights look

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the whole time. 
Even Lord Ashford was funny with

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his, you know, a knight and a a 
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knight. 
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approval and Makar completely 
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But that line is in the book, 
not the Makar ignoring him part.

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But you know the that's good job
there. 

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I really like that I was that's 
such an important scene. 

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So I had AI really was hoping 
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exceeded my expectations. 
So great job there. 

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Thanks to Karina strict 558 for 
the celebration sticker. 

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Appreciate that. 
And let's go on to the first 

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scene, which Ashea has dubbed 
Sir Arlen of Penis tree. 

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One of my first thoughts was 
this guy's about to get a whole 

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lot of new nicknames. 
What would OSHA say about this 

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one? 
Is this guy half giant? 

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Also, like, who wins, Hodor or 
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So, Sean, you're right about the
POV thing. 

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Dunk wasn't actually watching 
Sir Arlen pee that morning. 

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It was nowhere to be seen and 
wouldn't have wanted to be 

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anywhere seen. 
Yeah, he's hiding around the 

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corner peeking there. 
Yeah, but he would know that. 

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Arlen made him sleep outside 
that night because he had a 

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woman over, as you can see here.
Yeah, Dunk woke up to the 

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spatter like hitting him like 
hey, what do you there's all 

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this all this room, you can go 
anywhere. 

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He. 
Goes right outside his door. 

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It's like he doesn't walk away 
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What is he doing? 
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her door, really. 
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It's his own door. 
Anyway, so that was a good call 

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and this focus on Sir Arlen 
flashbacks is largely played out

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through Dunk rethinking his 
legacy and carrying it on 

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realizing that no one else will 
and having some sort of reality 

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moments where, you know, he has 
to reckon with not everything he

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learned was quite accurate. 
Maybe Sir Ellen, great night. 

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Maybe maybe not great night. 
You know, he he keeps calling 

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him that, but that by the end 
he's like a great night doesn't 

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die in the mud of the side of 
the road, though, do they? 

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So he's he's not just like his 
other forms of bravery. 

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He's not afraid to take on these
tough truths about both who his 

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mentor was and who what he's 
facing and what egg is facing 

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and all these other things. 
And of course, that culminates 

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way later with what he's facing 
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But I think that's a a good lead
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focuses on the legacy and Dunk 
coming to terms with what that 

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really means. 
And just as he's honest about 

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some of the negative stuff, he's
also honest about a lot of the 

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positive stuff, which there is 
some, you know, Dunk is talks 

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about how he's he gives to the 
poor and he was, he treats his 

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horses well. 
And he taught Dunk to be a good 

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person, even if he necessarily 
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So, yeah, it's a very balanced 
take. 

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It's it's not, it's it's honest.
And I appreciate that. 

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What about you, Sean? 
I really love this. 

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I think it's a continuation of 
this thematic idea that George 

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toys with a lot of what is real 
knight, what makes a real 

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knight? 
And I think here we're seeing 

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Dunk, however actively he's 
thinking about it or realizing 

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it. 
He's scrolling through some 

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differences between maybe a 
night, a hedge night, a true 

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night, a great night. 
Those are all, you know, some 

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crossover in a Venn diagram. 
But on one hand, technically 

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just someone does get in your 
knees and dubs you with the 

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sword and says you're a knight, 
You're a knight. 

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But sometimes they just did that
because you're the Prince or 

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because you fought off a bandit 
that came that day. 

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But maybe you were actually 
friends with that bandit and it 

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was all a scheme and you're not 
you shouldn't really be a 

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knight. 
Or maybe on and on. 

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You see what I mean? 
Like there's, you know, he gets 

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into it with Sandor and Brienne 
and dunks so much And it Arlen 

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may not have been a great knight
in the sense that like he'll go 

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down in history and hey, he has 
respect of all the noble Lords 

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in a landing. 
He's got a great castle, LED a 

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great army. 
And someone could be a great 

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knight in those terms, but still
be a jerk, still not actually be

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chivalrous or honest or even a 
good fighter, right. 

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Like someone could be a great 
fighter like the mountain and be

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a mass murderer. 
If that doesn't make them a good

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knight or a true knight or a 
great night or does it? 

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I don't know what does. 
And I think that Dunk dunks he 

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lists off these different 
qualities that Arlen has. 

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If you don't mind, I'm going to 
I'm going to read a couple off 

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here. 
Humble never complaints benefit 

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to others. 
Those could be a night or not a 

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night, right, But a true night. 
Maybe you think or dunk would 

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think has those qualities. 
No money or lands. 

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A lot of people would discount a
night with no money and lands 

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it. 
You're just a hedge night, 

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right. 
Maybe they could still be a true

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night or true hedge night. 
No children. 

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You know, some of that sounds 
like someone on the wall or the 

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Kingsguard kind of higher, 
ostensibly level of knighthood, 

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at least the Kingsguard dog and 
fighter Ridge between Lords and 

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small folk is what he said of a 
hedge knight. 

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So Arnold might have been all 
those things, but none of those 

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things lead to the history 
books, right? 

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There are a lot of great people 
in the world who are very kind 

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and generous and hardworking. 
But maybe not in the right 

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position in their life, the 
right, you know, education or 

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family or wealth or maybe 
they're not cut throat enough or

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whatever to get into some upper 
management position where they 

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lead the world to the moon or 
some nonsense. 

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It's I think that Dunk is 
struggling with this idea and, 

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and, and I'm trying to spend it 
all in a positive light and say 

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Arnold was a good night and it 
was a true night, maybe even a 

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great night. 
But The thing is, whether it was

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or not, put yourself in our own 
shoes for a minute. 

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He hasn't won a tournament. 
He doesn't have a ward. 

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He's got rags on, basically. 
Ostensibly he must have had some

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Armory. 
I don't talks about it for 

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tournaments or whatever. 
But he, he isn't a respected 

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knight, right? 
Maybe even at one time when he 

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was younger and stronger and 
healthier and had more of a 

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social circle or something. 
Maybe he could have, would have,

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should have been. 
But he he just isn't at least a 

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vision of what a great knight 
is. 

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But he's still a great night to 
dunk both dunks vision of him 

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and the way he treats him right.
He treats Dunk the way a great 

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knight should treat any person. 
And The thing is, though, that 

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Arlen, in his own mind, he 
probably recognizes his 

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failings. 
Maybe he's embarrassed by them 

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or understands why he had them. 
You got drunk too much or just 

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ruined that one tournament or 
said the wrong thing in that 

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one. 
Lord ruined my career. 

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All these things that he might 
have done in his past to kind of

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set him on a course of what he 
or many might feel like it's 

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failure despite being a good, 
good man in many ways, right? 

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But when he's talking to Dunk or
other people, he's not going to 

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say I'm just a failure. 
You're lucky I take care of it. 

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He's going to say, ah, I'm a 
true knight. 

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Well, if you're a true knight, 
why don't you have a cat law? 

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I mean, I'm a true hedge knight.
A true knight doesn't care about

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his castle. 
He just wants the fresh air and 

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a warm fire, right? 
Arlen is going to sell a true 

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knight. 
The way Arlen is, he's going to 

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tell Dunk the things that he's 
doing are the things that are 

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true knight. 
Does Does that make sense? 

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Oh yeah, absolutely. 
He's going to sell himself as as

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the ideal, even if he's not. 
Yeah. 

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Right. 
And so it's and, and in many 

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ways it is true and fair the the
ways Arlen has told Dunk what a 

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great night is. 
And in many ways Arlen is all 

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those things. 
But it's not the whole picture. 

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Just like in a normal youths 
life, you grow up as a child, 

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you're told all these things by 
your parents and teachers and 

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you go out in a real world like 
oh wait there is more out here 

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they didn't tell me about, you 
know, dunks hitting that. 

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A relevant quote here I'd like 
to to share regarding what what 

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what you referred to what Dunk 
says about hedge nights is 

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bridge between nobility. 
This is from the late, great 

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Steven Atwell from an essay he 
wrote that I'll drop in the chat

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after I read this. 
Steven Atwell says hedge nights 

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occupy A liminal position in 
relation to the feudal class 

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structure. 
They're counted as members of 

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the nightly orders, which means 
they're expected to conform to 

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the honor code of chivalry and 
cultural mores of the 

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aristocracy, even though they 
lack access to material wealth. 

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In return, they can't be denied 
the rights and privileges common

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of all their stations, so they 
can sit on the fringes of all 

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the ceremonies and rituals, 
households and feasting tables, 

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courts and command tents of the 
great and the good. 

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And so, from this surprisingly 
intimate vantage, they serve as 

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a perfect window on the lives of
their betters. 

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And I think Aziz said something 
to this effect. 

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Talking about sex workers last 
week, didn't you, Aziz? 

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Yeah, absolutely. 
Yeah. 

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This is a great strong 
connection. 

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Great pull here, Shaya, 
remembering what Stevens quote 

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here because it's yeah, it's 
super on point here in terms of 

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these are the two classes of 
commoners who have the most 

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intimacy with the nobility work 
with them the most who their 

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their lives depend on them 
effectively like sex workers 

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can't really depend on other 
commoners to have enough money 

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for that. 
They can't afford that. 

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And hedge nights aren't going to
get lots of jobs from commoners 

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either. 
They they won't be able to 

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afford it and they don't have 
necessarily the authority to 

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even tell hedge nights what to 
do or to issue justice type 

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commands or what have you. 
So yeah, it's a these are people

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who live amongst the commoners 
but have to but depend on the 

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nobility. 
That's a great parallel. 

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Jenny of Cold Stone Creamery 
says. 

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I get Jack and the Beanstalk 
vibes from Dunk. 

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He sells his beloved sweet foot 
and rises above poverty to meet 

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giants. 
Oh, I like that. 

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Yeah, that's good. 
Good catch. 

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I like it. 
And he, he is kind of a giant, 

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but he doesn't realize he, he 
doesn't kind of accept his giant

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hood until, well, maybe by the 
end of this, this first story he

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has. 
So one thing we see very early 

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on, and it it flows very nicely 
out of the voice over Dunk is 

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doing while we're seeing scenes 
of Sir Arlen is that he's 

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actually telling these stories 
to people. 

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He's actually not just this 
isn't just narration to himself 

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or set up for the for the 
viewers, although it serves that

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purpose as well. 
He's actually talking to people 

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and trying to get them to 
remember Sir Arlen and when they

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don't remember Sir Arlen through
deeds, he tries to talk about 

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what a good person he was 
instead as a fall back plan. 

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And we apparently he's done this
a few times. 

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Egg makes the joke like I can't 
leave you when you're retelling 

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the story of your master's 
demise over and over. 

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Like that's a tough thing to 
deal with and we only see it 

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happen once. 
It's it's just we get an example

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of it rather than seeing it 
happen each time. 

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And it's with Leo Longthorne, 
played by Steve Wall. 

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This guy has quite the arsenal 
of fantasy and sci-fi shows. 

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He was in Dune 2, he's in The 
Witcher, he's in Vikings, and 

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this guy standing behind him is 
Sir Samwell, David Pierce. 

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He was also in Vikings and The 
Last Kingdom. 

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So these two guys together, they
got, they're a real power duo, I

447
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,080
said. 
It in the preview but to me Leo 

448
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,920
Longthorne is like a a Tywin 
esque character here with his 

449
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,440
apron and he just kind of has a 
similar vibe to me. 

450
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,720
He's got the sour leaf chewing 
going on there. 

451
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,120
You see his red teeth there at 
the end. 

452
00:23:36,120 --> 00:23:39,200
It's one of the clearest uses of
sour leaf, which is should be 

453
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,440
pretty common in Westeros, but 
we we haven't actually seen it 

454
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,360
on the TV very much. 
That's kind of funny, Sean. 

455
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,440
He says, I won't leave you while
you're doing it. 

456
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,160
And then the Targaryens show up 
and he says I got to maybe I 

457
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:54,560
should go check on the camp. 
Like a. 2 seconds later he's 

458
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,200
like, I got to check the camp 
for thieves. 

459
00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:01,240
Yeah, so let's talk about the 
arrival of the Targaryens and 

460
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,920
the arrival of the Kingsguard 
before the main scenes with 

461
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,200
them. 
So he he's kind of transfixed a 

462
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:11,920
bit and he is sort of gawking 
and Aryan says to him, hey, you 

463
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,280
know, stop gawking and you can 
take my horse. 

464
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,520
And that's, that's just just 
after the the kind of over the 

465
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,720
top introduction of of Baylord 
Makar. 

466
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,080
I have a slight quibble with 
that as they would never omit 

467
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:23,360
the title Prince from either of 
them. 

468
00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:24,520
And they admitted it from both 
of them. 

469
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,160
You never don't say the word 
Prince. 

470
00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:28,240
Whatever. 
It's a small thing, but they 

471
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,640
they leaned into that to make 
make our the difference between 

472
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,440
Makar and Baylor's Title's even 
larger. 

473
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:37,160
When he's when he's meek. 
Yeah, I think they might have 

474
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,240
done that on purpose, too. 
Like, does he really not know 

475
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:40,680
that they know how to say his 
name? 

476
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,760
That guy's just saying it wrong 
because he's. 

477
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,400
Yeah, they're leading into that 
even more so. 

478
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,800
Aryan's appearance is nearly 
identical, except his hair is 

479
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,280
shorter. 
His hair is really long in the 

480
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,680
book and they just went with a 
shorter version just just to be 

481
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:53,920
different I suppose, which is 
cool. 

482
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,720
You know, Speaking of staging 
and how they do that, I thought 

483
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,480
it was really nice how they did 
the Aryan Dunk meeting here, 

484
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,280
because as you see here, he's 
like, he meets him and he's 

485
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,000
taller than him, right? 
And then he gets off his horse 

486
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,400
and he's like so much shorter. 
And then they frame it so that 

487
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,720
he's really, you show how Aryan 
is looking up at him and he 

488
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,600
like, assesses how he looks up 
and down. 

489
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,280
And he's kind of, you know, you 
could see that he's maybe a 

490
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,880
little ruder to him for feeling 
inadequate. 

491
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,000
Oh, yeah, a lot of people look 
dunk up and down. 

492
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,200
It's it's like a recurring 
thing. 

493
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,160
Almost everyone seems to either 
look at him like look down and 

494
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,080
up, like even Steely Pate does 
the slow kind of eyes going up 

495
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,520
thing. 
Almost everyone reacts to him in

496
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,880
that way in some way. 
But Aryan's the only one who's, 

497
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,640
like, particularly rude about, 
well, Sir Sir, Stefan Fosse Way 

498
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,800
was very rude about it too. 
So is. 

499
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,800
So is Lady Gwynn. 
You're big. 

500
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:43,960
Ass. 
We haven't gotten to her yet, 

501
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:45,200
but you're right, you're totally
right. 

502
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:46,680
You're right. 
We just haven't gotten to her 

503
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:47,320
yet. 
But you're totally. 

504
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,960
I will say in just a moment one 
of the kings guards says that 

505
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,160
how did he word it? 
He's not used to looking up at 

506
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:55,960
people to cast his eyes down on.
Him. 

507
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,720
Yeah, that was really well said.
And that's what Aryan's doing 

508
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:04,320
exactly here, yeah. 
Yes, it is so there this is in 

509
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,920
the book what happens is it's 
very similar. 

510
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,600
He meets he meets Aryan. 
It's the similar dialogue but 

511
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,360
not clever enough line the I'm 
not a serving man very almost 

512
00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:16,040
word for word there. 
And then he meets Sir Roland and

513
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,840
Sir Donnell almost immediately 
after and they drop an extra the

514
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,360
dialogue between them is 
different that is significantly 

515
00:26:22,360 --> 00:26:24,920
different here. 
They say it's not fitting to 

516
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,240
face the Royals in the in the 
book version, which they 

517
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,040
communicate that in many other 
ways that in the in the novel, 

518
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,520
that or in the show that this is
not true. 

519
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,120
They're just downplaying for 
Valar. 

520
00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:41,840
Like we've seen Royals face 
Kingsguard in tournaments a 

521
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,320
bunch of times in every era. 
It's so they're just saying that

522
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,160
as a cover story, but that's not
in the book. 

523
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,200
That's not in the show here. 
But they just they're going to 

524
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,440
presumably show that in other 
ways, such as eggs saying I'll 

525
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,720
take that bet, Sir. 
He's like, I bet Valar is the 

526
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,600
best of these guys anyway, so 
these two Kingsguard, I love the

527
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,400
new Kingsguard armor. 
We knew we were going to get new

528
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,600
Kingsguard armor and it's sweet.
It's very cool. 

529
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,480
It's actually as white as we've 
ever seen it, which is how it's 

530
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,440
supposed to be so. 
And it has kind of a dragon 

531
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,880
dragon wing effect to it as 
well, as you can see in some of 

532
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,760
the details that I think is 
pretty cool for this era of, of 

533
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,400
Kingsguard, right? 
I agree. 

534
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,320
Yeah, so they did trying to 
emphasize that because they 

535
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,600
don't have real Dragons, right? 
Yeah, totally. 

536
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,400
Did you did you notice that both
of these actors have their their

537
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:30,120
brows furrowed like like up with
the little bridges the entire 

538
00:27:30,120 --> 00:27:32,480
conversation? 
Because they have to go to the 

539
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,040
bathroom. 
Yeah, he was looking for a place

540
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,840
to go. 
Yeah, that's a good point. 

541
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:37,120
Yeah. 
There. 

542
00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:39,560
I wonder if that's just like a, 
you know, they're trying to look

543
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:40,880
fierce, you know, like. 
Fierce. 

544
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:41,840
It was sunny. 
I don't know. 

545
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,720
Yeah, both these dudes look like
they are, are like clothing 

546
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,800
models, male clothing models or 
whatever. 

547
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,560
So they're maybe they're. 
Furrowing their brows. 

548
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,440
For for effect. 
You know what I mean? 

549
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,640
They do kind of look like like 
male models but with Kingsguard,

550
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,400
which it's which I think is very
deliberate. 

551
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,760
Oh yeah, To make Dunk feel 
inadequate or whatever. 

552
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,000
And then he's like, oh, he 
latches on. 

553
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,400
He's like, my family were 
crabbers. 

554
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,840
And that's that was with the 
hilarious resolution later when 

555
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,160
eggs like his family owns half 
the crab fleets in Westeros. 

556
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,480
It's like, wait, how do you know
that you know? 

557
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,640
Anyway, so the fact to hear I 
will. 

558
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,400
Say go ahead. 
That was. 

559
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,560
I feel like this scene was 
subtly but distinctly different 

560
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:24,120
from the books, that there still
was this vibe here in the show 

561
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,520
that these nights are kind of 
better than everyone else and 

562
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,560
it, you know, yeah, we'll talk 
to you for a minute, Don, 

563
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,040
because we're looking for the 
bathroom. 

564
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,280
You know, you're a big dude, 
maybe even slightly relating to 

565
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,400
him and the how the Prince treat
him as a jerk. 

566
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:37,600
They're like, yeah, the Prince 
is a jerk. 

567
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,720
But in the book, there wasn't 
really any of that. 

568
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:44,600
There wasn't any down talk of 
the Targaryens or this idea that

569
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,080
we're better than you. 
They were much more like 

570
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,520
respectable common men. 
Wanting to talk to another 

571
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,520
common man kind of vibe came in 
the book. 

572
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,440
Yeah, they were like proper and 
but brief. 

573
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,080
Yeah, you're right. 
But I'm definitely respectful, 

574
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:58,520
like you say. 
I I totally agree with that. 

575
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,560
You can see the third Kingsguard
knight, Sir William Wilde, in 

576
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,240
the background. 
He's the one who calls out to 

577
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:09,080
Sir Donald as their conversation
with Dunk is completed. 

578
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,600
So that's him in the background 
of the left. 

579
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:11,880
So you actually see all three of
them here. 

580
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,200
That's pretty cool. 
So Sir William Wilde, Sir Donald

581
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,120
of Duskindale and Sir Roland 
Crakehall. 

582
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,960
That's by the way, another clue 
about AG, of course, that he 

583
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,640
knows the thing about the 
crabbing fleet in that scene. 

584
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,560
Jumping ahead to that, when 
they're having cider and he 

585
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,320
talks about the crabbing fleet 
and all that comes up his 

586
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,200
delivery on There's a Bug in My 
Cider. 

587
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,280
He's really good with that semi 
deadpan delivery. 

588
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,400
He's done that a few times. 
He says the same thing about 

589
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,320
that's a tree and your belt's 
made of rope. 

590
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,760
You know the way it's delivery, 
it's very similar for the slots.

591
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,560
He's really good at that, but 
he's a lot more emphatic when he

592
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,920
says, do you suppose the Dragon 
House takes on many hedge 

593
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:45,640
nights? 
Sir? 

594
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,440
That was really good too. 
He's like, maybe they'll take me

595
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,440
on. 
He's like, are you joking? 

596
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,640
But of course, that's exactly 
what happens. 

597
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,520
Irony all around. 
Yeah, narrator he did take. 

598
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,680
He was taken on. 
So here a scene that's 

599
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,360
completely not in the novel, but
also plays into an important 

600
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:12,320
theme that is not too drawn out 
in the novel, but is pretty 

601
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:13,880
important. 
And they they catch on to it 

602
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,320
here in the show. 
And I think it's a good one that

603
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,960
they draw, which is Egg's size, 
him being small and him being 

604
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,440
him feeling a little unsure 
about that. 

605
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,360
It comes up multiple times in 
this episode. 

606
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,360
The first, the first is in this 
moment where it was we we talked

607
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,360
about before when he's joking 
about being stupid compared to 

608
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,760
being small and it so it ends 
with a joke and so you kind of 

609
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,120
forget about it. 
It gets serious later and we'll 

610
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,920
come back to that here. 
We see like a stepping stone 

611
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,520
towards that concept where Egg 
is so small that he just lock. 

612
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,240
He just puts his feet up on the 
rope and hangs from it. 

613
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:44,920
And apparently that was not in 
the script. 

614
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,320
He just, he just did that. 
Dexter did that. 

615
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,040
And it was they were like, hey, 
that's pretty funny, let's do 

616
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,880
that. 
And it looks like it's a 

617
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,560
Stormlands versus the Reach 
battle here. 

618
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,520
And oh, boy, the shippers got so
much ammo with Lionel giving 

619
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,160
Dunk a slap on the butt there. 
Just that's just so many people 

620
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,720
were like, oh, oh, there it is. 
There it is. 

621
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:04,840
There it is. 
So, yeah. 

622
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,280
And of course, Lionel calling 
dunks drink piss froth, You 

623
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,480
know, what is this? 
Piss froth don't come between 

624
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,920
Lionel and his thirst, though. 
You know, you can knock a cup 

625
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,280
out of his. 
He can knock the cup out of your

626
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:16,840
hand. 
But if he needs a drink, you 

627
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,360
know, everybody has to wait. 
So Ira Parker said that Lionel 

628
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:25,840
is only feels alive when he's at
war or when his life is at risk,

629
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,800
something like that. 
So that explains a lot about his

630
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,680
character and how they're 
setting him up. 

631
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,840
It's it it fits for the book 
version, even though the book 

632
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,200
version doesn't have as much to 
mention because he's only seems 

633
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,960
to be he seems to want to fight 
in the most dangerous fights. 

634
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,160
So that fits. 
And that's partly why he's just,

635
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,920
he parties so hard and does all 
these ridiculous things because 

636
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,640
he's life is just too easy and 
boring. 

637
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,760
You know, when it's for him, 
he's just, he's, he's 

638
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,200
experienced everything. 
He's it's too easy. 

639
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:51,400
You know, he's got all the 
money. 

640
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:52,760
Yeah. 
It's it's like the only the only

641
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,560
thing that that makes him feel 
alive is fighting. 

642
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,320
So a little moments like this 
which aren't real fighting are 

643
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,920
the next best thing. 
It it does show a certain, I 

644
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,920
don't know, confidence, 
arrogance, awareness, when he 

645
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,800
just leaves the tug of war to go
get a drink. 

646
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,960
I think that he, like, I want 
to, I want to say it is pretty 

647
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,880
cocky one way or the other, but 
it also might come from a 

648
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,520
certain confidence. 
He's like, I got the biggest 

649
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,600
dude, like I got drunk on this 
rope for a reason. 

650
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,680
So I can screw around. 
Like I know we're going to win. 

651
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,640
Like he's probably had done a 
good job of like assessing the 

652
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,440
challenge and the people 
involved is like, we got this 

653
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,240
easy, I'm going to screw around,
which is kind of an arrogant 

654
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,360
thing to do, but also a 
testament to his skill, 

655
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,120
knowledge, experience in a world
or whatever. 

656
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,080
Yeah, you can imagine he's like 
assessing a battlefield where 

657
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,040
there's way more troops and way 
more going on. 

658
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,560
He's like, this is just like 7 
on 7. 

659
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,520
You can just kind of look at the
size of everybody and kind of 

660
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:52,000
tell. 
Yeah. 

661
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,120
So that's that's a great point, 
Sean. 

662
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:59,600
So moving on to tall talk, let's
talk about Florian and Jon Keel 

663
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,320
and Tansel and Duncan Egg. 
We see the performance of 

664
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:03,640
Florian Jonke. 
That was really cool. 

665
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,920
And there's a nice touch to make
Tansel even taller. 

666
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,720
She's on stilts. 
That was very cool. 

667
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,720
And this is this is her at her 
most confident. 

668
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,240
We're talking about the theme of
confidence. 

669
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,040
Well, her stage presence is very
strong here. 

670
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:21,320
He's he's very proud, very 
confident, very in the moment, 

671
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:22,880
you know, doing what an actor 
should do. 

672
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,480
And she's the center of it. 
So. 

673
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,560
And all the eyes are on her. 
So. 

674
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:27,960
And then quick question. 
Yeah. 

675
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,120
Go ahead. 
What character is she 

676
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:31,400
representing there? 
Do we know? 

677
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,440
That's Junkiel. 
That's is Junkiel 10 feet tall. 

678
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,720
Well, it's a it's a play, so 
they're just messing around. 

679
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,320
Yeah. 
No, she's not supposed to be 10 

680
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:40,760
feet tall. 
Yeah, it's just how they're 

681
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,640
doing it. 
It's possible she's like playing

682
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:43,880
one of the gods, but I don't 
know where. 

683
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,440
Then where is Junkiel? 
If. 

684
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,000
Because there's only two 
characters there. 

685
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,600
Oh. 
She says the Junkiel lines. 

686
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,080
OK, yeah, anyway, the yeah, all 
men are fools and all men are 

687
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:52,200
knives. 
This is Junkiel lines. 

688
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,000
So but when it comes to women, 
that's a Florian line. 

689
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,600
But anyway, that's also strange 
for them to develop. 

690
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,240
Pretty much. 
And afterwards, Duncan Egg 

691
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,280
approached Tan well, very 
similar to the book 

692
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,160
conversation, as we said, about 
the shield painting stuff. 

693
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,920
But but as far as the you're not
too tall bit, that's also very 

694
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,000
much straight from the book 
giving Egg. 

695
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,800
Egg says, Hey, that was really 
good. 

696
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,639
The one line that was not one 
bit that wasn't from the books 

697
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:17,320
is the whole pollen bit where 
Egg is asking about how the fake

698
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,320
fire was done. 
Just another little touch to 

699
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:24,040
show Egg being highly educated. 
And I think this is one of the 

700
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,360
things that is, it happens in 
the book a little bit, but I 

701
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,560
think they're going to lean into
a little bit more is that Egg 

702
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:35,960
isn't just a Squire in the sense
that he's helping dunk with all 

703
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:40,520
these tasks and chores. 
He's also helping dunk with his 

704
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,480
biggest weakness or one of his 
biggest weaknesses, which is not

705
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,560
knowing the right words. 
I'm not having the right. 

706
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,199
I don't have the right words. 
The first line of the whole darn

707
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:51,840
show. 
Egg often does know what to say 

708
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,920
the partly because of his 
education and his upbringing, 

709
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:58,080
but also just he doesn't have 
dunks tongue tied nature. 

710
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,000
He that's just a skill he has 
that dunk is is working on. 

711
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,680
He's not a natural that, but Egg
is. 

712
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,280
Yeah, I mean, Aryan brings it up
right. 

713
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,960
And it's just, I mean, a lot of 
Targaryens I think are a little 

714
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:12,520
bit more quick of wit, you would
say more educated of course, for

715
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,880
their for their station, but 
also I think just a little bit 

716
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,360
little bit naturally clever. 
Yeah, sometimes to be quick of 

717
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,720
wit, you need to be in the right
position, for lack of a better 

718
00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:24,920
word. 
Like a lot of times someone 

719
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,680
might think of something clever 
to say, but you know, if you're 

720
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,520
like in a classroom with 30 
other people, you can't 

721
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,480
interrupt the teacher every time
I have something clever to say, 

722
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,280
right? 
But we're in a when you're the 

723
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,880
Prince, you can't you you you 
have both the ability and 

724
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,560
confidence to just say whatever 
is on your mind. 

725
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,480
So you get away with being with 
your quick wit or letting it be 

726
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,240
known more than other people 
might also egg. 

727
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:50,720
One might have observed people 
and a royal setting. 

728
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,280
The Squires have got to be more 
tactful. 

729
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,720
It's not enough to just sharpen 
the sword and clean the shield, 

730
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,720
right? 
You have to be able to interact 

731
00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:01,280
with all these royal people and 
be in the right place and say 

732
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,560
the right thing and turn your 
eyes down to the right with all 

733
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,120
this stuff. 
And Egg has been a witness to 

734
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,720
all this. 
And in fact, Egg might realize 

735
00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:12,280
that's his end since he's not as
big and strong as even say the 

736
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,440
other Squires, he has to be good
in some other way. 

737
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:20,120
And so knowing the etiquette and
the heraldry and The Who owns 

738
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:28,120
the crabbing suites, right, all 
that stuff, gives him an angle 

739
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,640
to compete with the other 
Squires, even if he's not as 

740
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,200
strong or big or whatever as 
they are. 

741
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:33,240
Well said. 
Yeah. 

742
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,400
So, you know, if it it occurs to
me to think back like, what's a 

743
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,560
what's a regular show watcher, 
someone who hasn't read the 

744
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,200
book, they're probably looking 
like, hey, this is a feel good 

745
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,200
comedy about his night and his 
plucky Squire, you know, beating

746
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,840
the odds, risking it all, 
believing in themselves. 

747
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,520
You know, we've seen that story 
before and there is some of that

748
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,320
to it. 
But having this spaced out into 

749
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,520
six portions where you would 
kind of it up more blurs 

750
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,680
together when you're eating the 
novella, Like there, it isn't 

751
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,600
necessarily carved into 
sections. 

752
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,920
This really amplifies for me the
coming shift in tone, which it's

753
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,960
not going to be as happy and 
plucky and feel good. 

754
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:15,480
It's going to get a lot harsher 
and more violent and brutal and 

755
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,840
it'll still have some comedy. 
But yeah, it's it's only had the

756
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,920
comedy and the like, the hard 
moments are like, oh, life is 

757
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,640
hard as a hedge night, you know,
things like that. 

758
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,600
It isn't like, oh man, fingers 
broken and brains falling out 

759
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,080
and things like that. 
So let's talk about the opposite

760
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,720
of being shy, which we just did 
with the a little bit there with

761
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:37,480
Duncan and Egg and Tanzel. 
Well, not Egg so much, just 

762
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,960
Duncan, Tanzel. 
So a confluence of confidence. 

763
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,200
I can call this part, for 
example, Tanzel, if we stay with

764
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,360
her for a minute, she's a little
shy with Dunk, maybe not as shy 

765
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,760
as he is, but she's sort of 
because he's shy. 

766
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,960
She's feeling that too. 
It it sort of puts them both in 

767
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,760
that space. 
But she's confident about her 

768
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,000
skills as a painter. 
And of course, she's very, very 

769
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,480
confident as an actress, as I 
said, and that's not uncommon 

770
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,480
for performers, a lot of actors 
or musicians, they're more 

771
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,440
comfortable being on stage, 
being watched by a bunch of 

772
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,520
people rather than talking to 
someone one-on-one. 

773
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,720
And that's pretty cool. 
Dunk is confident that people 

774
00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:17,320
will remember Sir Arlen, but 
he's he loses some confidence in

775
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,200
that over the course of the 
episode as he starts to realize 

776
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,560
certain hard truths that we 
discussed earlier. 

777
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,760
But he's still confident that he
can get accepted by a noble 

778
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,920
house, even if it's not because 
of Sir Arlen's name. 

779
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,920
That helps get him his foot in 
the door. 

780
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:37,200
So I think a lot of that is is 
very in linked here in terms of 

781
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:42,520
Dunks retelling and relitigating
what Sir Arlen was and what Dunk

782
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,680
is trying to be. 
And Egg comes into this mix very

783
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:51,040
nicely with talking about things
like, why do you, you know, 

784
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,080
think of these people as your 
betters? 

785
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:55,600
And he's like, well, they are my
betters. 

786
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,840
And Egg is trying to get him to 
think kind of like what you were

787
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,480
saying, Sean. 
He's like, just because they 

788
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,560
have more money, just because 
they have more, better 

789
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,120
upbringing, that doesn't mean 
they're a better person. 

790
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:09,360
They might be greater because 
they have more influence, more 

791
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,360
money, more, you know, better 
weapons, but that doesn't mean 

792
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,240
they're a better person. 
And Egg is leaning into that 

793
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,000
part of it like you were Sean, 
where when he's saying that he's

794
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,160
like, they're not better, 
they're stronger, they're more 

795
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,840
powerful, but better. 
I, I challenge that is kind of 

796
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,000
what Egg was saying. 
He doesn't, he doesn't 

797
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,600
necessarily have the right words
for that either, because that's 

798
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,320
a it's complicated. 
And of course he's personally 

799
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,880
wrapped up in it, but I think 
that's a really good thing. 

800
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,360
He's small, but he doesn't act 
small, especially on points like

801
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,280
this where he's very confident 
because, well, he has first hand

802
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:42,920
experience. 
He knows that. 

803
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,560
How can they be better? 
Aryan's one of them, you know. 

804
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,760
Yeah. 
It's it's blatant. 

805
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,640
It's like Sandor's, it's like 
Sandor being extremely bitter 

806
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,800
about Gregor being a knight. 
It's the whole reason he's not 

807
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,640
one. 
Like if you Sandor really leans 

808
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,600
into that whole thing because so
many other Knights are all so 

809
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,320
crappy. 
But if it wasn't for Gregor, 

810
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:04,960
Sandor probably would have just 
gone along with it like 

811
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,000
everybody else does. 
Maybe just been a little cynical

812
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:11,840
but he's just so 1000% turned 
off because it was also linked 

813
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,360
to childhood trauma, which it is
for AG2. 

814
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,800
Not burning his face, but, you 
know, having a knife held at his

815
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,880
privates and his cat thrown in a
well. 

816
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,920
That's that's nothing to to 
gloss over. 

817
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,680
Meanwhile, let's talk about his 
father a bit. 

818
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:30,200
I mean, Makar, it's as he's he's
acted really well. 

819
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,440
He's an interesting character, 
but he's he's kind of a bad 

820
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:37,400
father comes off like he's he 
hates weakness. 

821
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,440
This is one of the comparisons 
to Stannis that comes up. 

822
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,000
He he doesn't just hate 
weakness. 

823
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,560
He doesn't understand it. 
He just thinks it's something to

824
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,200
just plow over, to push. 
And that's how you deal with it.

825
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,480
There's that line about Deron. 
You know, he will change. 

826
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,600
I'll see him change or I'll see 
him dead. 

827
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,240
Something to that effect, which 
is pretty much straight from the

828
00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:59,120
novel. 
And if you know how things play 

829
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,480
out much, much later in your 
Targaryen history. 

830
00:41:01,720 --> 00:41:03,800
Narrator. 
He saw him dead. 

831
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,160
Yeah, exactly. 
Like he, he. 

832
00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:09,920
He'd make our outlives Deron. 
And Deron never, like, gets 

833
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,640
over, never does really get 
better. 

834
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:12,880
He's an alcoholic his whole 
life. 

835
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,560
So I already described Baylor's 
version of confidence, which I 

836
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,280
thought was the most impressive 
in terms of acting and and what 

837
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,240
I wasn't expecting. 
Our friend Alicia Benson points 

838
00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:27,400
out there's some solid respect 
between Baylor and Makar. 

839
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,120
They don't really, they differ 
in a few points. 

840
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,080
There's some quick like 
disagreements, but they do not 

841
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,360
argue. 
They D both deescalate, even 

842
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,560
Makar, who's angry and in a bad 
mood and and just seems like 

843
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,280
he's kind of like that a lot, 
just prickly. 

844
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,800
Baylor's quiet confidence is a 
good counterpoint there. 

845
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,800
It's respectful. 
He's not he doesn't feel talked 

846
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,080
down to by his brother and he 
does. 

847
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,320
And he's not talking down to 
him, you know, like when he when

848
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,560
he says Deron doesn't belong on 
the tournament field, you know, 

849
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:58,480
any more than Aries or Regal. 
And he's like, Makar takes that 

850
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,800
the wrong way and be like, no, 
that's not what I meant, you 

851
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,840
know, be fair. 
And and then it doesn't go any 

852
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,280
farther. 
And it's like, OK, yeah, there's

853
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,000
some there is some respect 
there. 

854
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,560
And of course, for for those of 
you who don't recall, Aries and 

855
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,600
Regal are their other brothers. 
Makar's the youngest, Baylor's 

856
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,480
the oldest, and Aries and Regal 
are in between. 

857
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,920
A couple times I wanted to give 
credit or I don't know, 

858
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,840
benefited out to Makar because 
his sons are missing, you know, 

859
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,800
so some of his ordinariness at 
this moment might be a little 

860
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,240
out of character for him, but 
maybe not also. 

861
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:31,800
Yeah, you get the picture. 
This is like, this is what 

862
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,520
Baylor is all like all the time.
But Makar, maybe not. 

863
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:35,960
You're right. 
I that's a great point. 

864
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,840
And he's not in his normal mood 
probably. 

865
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,120
Or or maybe he's just more 
intense than he normally is. 

866
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:41,880
Like you said, maybe he's just 
like this but worse, you know? 

867
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:46,960
Yeah, I'm guessing he's usually,
I guess he normally does snark 

868
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,200
and swear and all of those 
things. 

869
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:50,840
I I do think so. 
I think that's where Egg has 

870
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,720
gotten it. 
I think we've seen that quality 

871
00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:55,880
in Egg in the books and in the 
show. 

872
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,360
And I think I never really 
thought about like who he 

873
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,920
inherited that from or who he 
took after. 

874
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,640
I guess I kind of always figured
like, brother, I don't know, his

875
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,000
brother's his. 
I never thought about it. 

876
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:06,800
Right. 
It's a great point. 

877
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:07,680
Yeah. 
It's similar to the whole the 

878
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,280
classroom thing where like the 
the the Prince can tell jokes 

879
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,440
whenever he wants, even if he's 
in a room full of many people 

880
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,680
because he's of that rank. 
And that's kind of what Makar is

881
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:15,920
doing. 
Like he can curse whenever he 

882
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:17,080
wants. 
Like other people are like, oh, 

883
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,360
that's it's impolite, it's 
improper, but Makar's like do 

884
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,280
whatever I want. 
You know, I got to say that 

885
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,400
might be why Baylor will give a 
line of, you know it. 

886
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:31,800
Baylor doesn't totally ignore 
Makar's questionable comments, 

887
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,040
but he doesn't pursue them 
either. 

888
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,240
He's like, yeah, look, don't 
cuss at our host. 

889
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,720
And when Maker's like, oh, I 
cuss at myself, not him. 

890
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:40,840
Baylor doesn't fall and say, 
look, just don't cuss. 

891
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,400
Don't don't make me put you in 
your place, Baylor said. 

892
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,400
Just enough that you know he 
addressed it, but he doesn't 

893
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,520
need to follow up because I 
think he knows it may car 

894
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:50,880
wouldn't normally say these 
things. 

895
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:55,200
And if I do push him right now, 
he will snap and get worse. 

896
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,680
But if I just remind him one 
time, gently, he'll keep himself

897
00:43:58,680 --> 00:43:59,640
in check. 
You know, I think. 

898
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:00,680
That's a great point. 
He knows. 

899
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:02,240
Yeah. 
He knows his brother. 

900
00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:05,640
And pushing him, talking down to
him too much will will make it 

901
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:06,480
worse. 
Yeah. 

902
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:07,520
Well, sad. 
Yeah. 

903
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,120
That's really good. 
Can I give a shout out to the 

904
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,080
costuming here? 
Look at all this glorious black 

905
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,840
and red that you can see on 
Makar one. 

906
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,160
I think his outfit's cool. 
And then as we talked about in 

907
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,920
the preview, which not everyone 
watches, we have the very cool 

908
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:25,400
Hand of the King merged with 
like a dragon scale motif for 

909
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:30,440
Baylor, which is unique as well.
So I with also with red liner 

910
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,760
accents on him which is very 
cool. 

911
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,840
I agree, sticking with the 
confidence theme a little longer

912
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,200
here, Aryans, it's more of an 
arrogance than a confidence, but

913
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,880
that's a, you know, a subset of 
confidence and some of its 

914
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,960
projecting. 
I think is is the theme of 

915
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,120
Aryans character as it plays 
out, is that some of it's an 

916
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,240
act. 
You know, he's he's definitely 

917
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:56,920
not as brave or as confident as 
he seems, Not that he's 

918
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,360
unconfident entirely, but 
definitely there's some 

919
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,600
bolstering there. 
The Kingsguard, of course, 

920
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,120
they're we, we briefly talked 
about them in terms of their 

921
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:10,080
confidence. 
They just come off as they're 

922
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,600
part of not only are they the 
most respected order of 

923
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:17,040
knighthood in the entire realm, 
they are obviously good at 

924
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:18,680
fighting, else they wouldn't be 
there. 

925
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,160
And they're men of privilege, 
these particular ones anyway, 

926
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,680
privileged in terms of being 
high born and or wealthy. 

927
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:30,480
So there's all sorts of prestige
and and reasons to feel 

928
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,240
confident when you're that. 
And this is a Kingsguard that is

929
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:37,040
well past the name, like Sir 
Kristen Cole. 

930
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:42,760
So he's not that he's forgotten,
but his stain upon the order of 

931
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:47,120
Kingsguard is well in the past 
and has been since, let's say, 

932
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,400
better represented by say, 
Eamon, the Dragon Knight who 

933
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:55,240
died only 30 years ago. 
And there was Gwaine Corbrae who

934
00:45:55,240 --> 00:45:58,600
faced Sir Damon Blackfire in the
red Grass field and held his 

935
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,360
own. 
And of course, Dunk will of 

936
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,800
course join their ranks and his 
and his deeds will reflect well 

937
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,400
on the Kingsguard too. 
So in this era, the Kingsguard 

938
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,240
are, it's not like some of the 
other areas where there's some 

939
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:11,960
questionable stuff going on. 
They're pretty much, they're 

940
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,280
pretty pretty straightforward, 
pretty well regarded. 

941
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:16,280
And that seems to be reflected 
here. 

942
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,080
Let's talk a little bit about a 
few of the other characters as 

943
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:25,360
we get to them. 
And but Sir Arlen, he he did 

944
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,000
definitely had a confidence too.
Just that that whole he just got

945
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,040
on with it business. 
And I guess he has the 

946
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:34,320
confidence of the well endowed. 
You know, that's also what we 

947
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,200
said about Sir Lionel. 
He just has the confidence of 

948
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,040
someone who's done it all and is
bored by most of it. 

949
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,760
So he just he needs danger to 
feel alive. 

950
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,560
And that's a form of confidence.
Just a few examples of lack of 

951
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,280
confidence that come up. 
Plumber looking like a deer in 

952
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,360
the headlights. 
He's afraid of what Dunk will 

953
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,680
say and of maybe more of Makar 
than anything. 

954
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,560
Egg being concerned when he sees
the Royals. 

955
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,680
Egg being concerned about his 
own size, which we'll talk about

956
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,520
more specifically later when the
joust. 

957
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,480
Aryan's pride as well. 
That's that cup keeps coming up 

958
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,120
in various regards. 
And of course, Dunk questioning 

959
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,320
himself when he sells sweet 
foot. 

960
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,920
That's the probably when he 
questions himself the most. 

961
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,400
Even though he questions his 
ability to beat these really 

962
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,360
powerful men, it's selling sweet
foot that really makes him feel 

963
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,240
the worst. 
He's like, is there any measure 

964
00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:20,840
of a fool I fail to measure up 
to? 

965
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,120
That was a great line, but very 
sad too. 

966
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,200
It's kind of like at that 
moment, at least some part of 

967
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:30,120
him, he was letting some part of
him that knew we couldn't win 

968
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,240
come forth and he's like, I'm 
selling a horse anyway. 

969
00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:35,480
I know I can't do this and I'm 
still selling the horse. 

970
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:39,160
Like, what am I doing? 
Like, he's being determined, but

971
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:43,520
he also kind of recognizes he's 
being determined to do something

972
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,520
you can't succeed at. 
You know, it's a, it's an 

973
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,880
interesting internal conflict 
he's going through. 

974
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:53,800
Right on Steely Pate my my 
second favorite example of 

975
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,080
confidence in this episode. 
There's so many of them. 

976
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,120
It's tough to pick Baylor being 
number one for me. 

977
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:03,000
This guy is a great example of 
someone who knows what he is, 

978
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,040
knows who he is, and he knows 
who you are too. 

979
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:11,760
And that's why he likes Dunk, 
because Dunk is love cut from 

980
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,640
the same cloth. 
Dunk isn't trying to be fancy. 

981
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,640
He's not fancy. 
He knows he's a hedge knight. 

982
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,160
He's embracing that he's a hedge
knight. 

983
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:23,520
And I think Steely Pate kind of 
kind of gets that from his brief

984
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,880
interaction with Dunk. 
He's good at sizing people up. 

985
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,840
And yeah, Steely Pate said the 
same. 

986
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:33,080
He doesn't sell pigs or fancy 
foreign fruits on his Helms. 

987
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:37,240
He sells the helm that will 
protect you best when you take a

988
00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:41,960
Lance in the face. 
It's down to earth, it's not 

989
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:46,160
showy, but it's very effective. 
And that's what steely Pate the 

990
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,920
person is too. 
His delivery, the actors 

991
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,640
deliver. 
Yousef Karkor, his delivery is 

992
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,160
perfect for that. 
He never raises his voice. 

993
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,800
Very little emotion in his 
voice, but that's on purpose. 

994
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,760
And there's enough emotion at 
different points, like when he 

995
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,520
says, oh, the rest, oh, they're 
just here to to cheer you on, 

996
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:05,560
huh? 
You know, things like that. 

997
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,920
He's puts just enough in there 
that it, it, it really hits 

998
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,800
because he his regular delivery 
is so stubbornly confidence. 

999
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,920
He's got self esteem. 
He's he's lowborn and common, 

1000
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,000
but he is, he has no trouble 
with that. 

1001
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:18,400
He has no problem with who he 
is. 

1002
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,240
And I love that about him. 
And I love how that comes 

1003
00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:22,560
through with this character. 
I think there's a little bit 

1004
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:26,440
similar to how Lionel has this 
certain expectation when he 

1005
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,760
encounters someone new. 
I bet steely Pate does too. 

1006
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,360
He's probably used to people 
working some angle right? 

1007
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:38,160
Like he knows his armor is worth
whatever, you know, 1000 stags. 

1008
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,600
But some Lord will kind of like,
ah well, you don't have any 

1009
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:42,720
fancy designs. 
Why? 

1010
00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:45,960
There's no end leg, Can you? 
I I want to see a dragon on the 

1011
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,800
shoulder or what he was like. 
And they're wanting to justify 

1012
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,560
paying him less because it 
doesn't look fancy. 

1013
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,200
And he, you know, that that just
for as an example, he's used to 

1014
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,280
having to go through some sort 
of bargaining to face someone 

1015
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,480
that thinks they're better than 
him to someone who's better than

1016
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:06,320
his, someone who's not as good 
as the armor they're making for 

1017
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,000
him. 
You know, he his confidence is 

1018
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,600
usually greater than the people 
he has to interact with. 

1019
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:13,760
And he still has to interact 
with them. 

1020
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:15,320
Just the nature of his job, 
right? 

1021
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,040
But Dunk is just this dude that 
needs some armor. 

1022
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:22,280
He's not coming with any kind of
expectations of fancy designs or

1023
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,680
opinions about why your armor is
not worth as much as you say it 

1024
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,920
is. 
I just can't afford it, sorry. 

1025
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,320
And he's going to leave, you 
know, pay just sees Dunk's 

1026
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,880
earnestness in the same way that
Lionel did, right? 

1027
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:35,920
It's like, oh, wait, you don't 
have some angle. 

1028
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,720
You just wanted supper. 
You just want to buy my armor. 

1029
00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:40,280
You're not trying to haggle me 
down. 

1030
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:44,440
I tell you what, you know, like 
it's, I feel like he brought a 

1031
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,880
more natural Pate out by just 
being a more natural dunk. 

1032
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,280
Very well said, Sean, and I 
think too, this touches on very 

1033
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:55,400
briefly the concept of this 
having some Monty Python vibes. 

1034
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,920
There's two Monty Python 
moments. 1 was just what you 

1035
00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:59,280
described. 
It wasn't actually in the 

1036
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,200
episode, but it was implied. 
Just like what? 

1037
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,560
You don't want to haggle. 
You're right. 

1038
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,720
He doesn't want to haggle. 
Like, no, it's two. 

1039
00:51:07,720 --> 00:51:11,280
You said two, I'll give you 2. 
It's like, it's like, no, you 

1040
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,520
got to haggle. 
And the other one was when 

1041
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,240
Makar's like, OK, you're 
grateful now fuck off. 

1042
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:20,600
You know, it's like it's like 
the the French knight on the 

1043
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:21,400
Holy Grail. 
My. 

1044
00:51:21,720 --> 00:51:25,200
Nose on you. 
So yeah, that's funny. 

1045
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:26,520
Yeah, I totally agree with you, 
Sean. 

1046
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,480
Like that's why he brings up the
no fancy stuff, because he knows

1047
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,200
they're going to bring that up 
as a as a way to downplay the 

1048
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,920
value. 
So he he kind of cuts the mind. 

1049
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,080
He kind of, you know, dips the 
initiative on that and you're 

1050
00:51:37,240 --> 00:51:39,640
yeah, the great scenes, the 
subtle, the subtleties there 

1051
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:40,520
were amazing. 
Can. 

1052
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,800
We mention the continuity error 
that we could call the answer 

1053
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:44,800
for here. 
Absolutely. 

1054
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,120
I wrote it later, but we'll talk
about it now. 

1055
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,160
So there's a little continuity. 
It may be not an error, but when

1056
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,120
they had to gloss over, look at 
the Gray shield on Dunk's back. 

1057
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:55,160
So this is, I think I figured 
this out. 

1058
00:51:55,880 --> 00:52:00,320
The original order of the scenes
has stale steely paint scene 

1059
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:04,160
coming before the shield 
painting scene, but I they must 

1060
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:05,920
have afterwards changed the 
order. 

1061
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,960
Decided to do Lionel first 
because it's all exciting. 

1062
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,000
It's a great way to kick it off.
It's a really great scene. 

1063
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,840
So they moved this to episode 2.
Problem is Dunk was carrying a 

1064
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,200
shield around after he's already
given it to Tanzel. 

1065
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,600
So they had to edit it to just 
put no paint on, just make it 

1066
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,840
Gray. 
So it's like his backup shield 

1067
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:27,760
or something like that. 
He still wants to walk around 

1068
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,760
like a knight and he doesn't 
have enough knightly 

1069
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,280
accoutrement other than so he 
just. 

1070
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,240
Yeah, it's easy to head cannon. 
Yeah, I, I also noticed, I was 

1071
00:52:35,240 --> 00:52:36,520
like, wait, why does he have a 
shield? 

1072
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,240
That my and I I thought there 
might have been some continuity 

1073
00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:41,440
thing with how they filmed it 
and how they edited the 

1074
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:45,080
different episodes afterwards, 
but decided in my mind it's easy

1075
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,680
that oh he just has 2 Shields, 
he has a practice shield or 

1076
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,160
whatever. 
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1077
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:54,800
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1078
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1079
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1081
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1083
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1085
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1091
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1095
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1111
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1114
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you're helping us. 
I was wrong that the extended 

1115
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,200
dunk flashback scene that we saw
in this season on was in this 

1116
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,000
episode. 
I, I won't say exactly what I 

1117
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,240
was talking about in case you 
don't want to know 'cause it's 

1118
00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:01,520
that's more of a true spoiler. 
Even if you've read the books, 

1119
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,200
'cause this is not a scene 
that's in the books. 

1120
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,760
It's something on me. 
Like I said this season on 

1121
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,520
preview that they did after 
episode 1. 

1122
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,800
So I predicted in our preview 
episode that we'd see that this 

1123
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:12,640
episode. 
Well, we didn't. 

1124
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:14,680
Well, maybe next episode we'll 
we'll see. 

1125
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,040
Definitely more Young Dunk yet 
to come. 

1126
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:21,120
Possibly quite a bit. 
So far, 2 episodes, flashbacks 

1127
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:22,680
in both. 
Quite possibly we'll have 

1128
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,000
flashbacks in every single 
episode. 

1129
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:25,560
I don't know. 
Do you have guesses on that? 

1130
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,480
Yeah, that's actually the first 
time I consider that question. 

1131
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:27,800
Would you? 
Yes. 

1132
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:28,800
Strong. 
Yes. 

1133
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,160
Episodes of every episode, 
including episode 6, the finale,

1134
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,160
there will be some sort of 
flashback, Even if that 

1135
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,760
flashback is a flashback we've 
seen before. 

1136
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,840
Like we saw it. 
We saw a flashback in this 

1137
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,960
episode to him burying Sir 
Arlen, right? 

1138
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,880
That was still a flashback and 
we could see stuff like that as 

1139
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:48,880
my point. 
OK, You feel strongly about it 

1140
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,520
one way or the other, Sean. 
Yeah, I, I feel like they're 

1141
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:54,640
using flashbacks as part of 
their storytelling method and 

1142
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,920
that it will continue which 
flashbacks him at which point. 

1143
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,080
I'm not sure. 
I didn't, I regret watching that

1144
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:04,840
this season on video. 
And so I haven't gone back and 

1145
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,760
studied and thought about it. 
Just saw it one time. 

1146
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,360
It just had the thought they 
spoiled too much. 

1147
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,320
That was just, I tried to like 
get in my thoughts of that, 

1148
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,960
yeah. 
So let's talk about Dunk 

1149
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:16,360
actually getting in the 
tournament. 

1150
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:19,480
It's funny that he talks to so 
many people, so many 

1151
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,400
high-ranking people, and they 
all say no. 

1152
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,720
But the highest ranking person 
there, the second highest 

1153
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:27,520
ranking person in the entire 
realm, is the one that finally 

1154
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:31,280
lets him in. 
And that's definitely some form 

1155
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,160
of irony. 
I don't know exactly what, but 

1156
00:56:33,720 --> 00:56:36,560
it's definitely something. 
This scene again, we're coming 

1157
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,920
back to, we've already talked 
about the performances and the 

1158
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,800
and the acting and how straight 
it was from the book. 

1159
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:43,960
But a couple things I hadn't 
mentioned yet. 

1160
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,320
In the book, he thinks to 
himself, I'm speaking with 

1161
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,920
Baylor Targaryen, Prince of 
Dragonstone, Hand to the king 

1162
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,240
and heir apparent to the Iron 
Throne of Aegon the Conqueror. 

1163
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,920
That's pretty much what the 
herald says. 

1164
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,960
It's a little different, but 
they have the Herald announced 

1165
00:56:55,960 --> 00:57:00,240
that out loud and that's a good 
example of something that's in 

1166
00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:03,400
dunks head that they have to 
find a different way to say out 

1167
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,280
loud. 
But in in this case it can't be 

1168
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,120
dialogue. 
He can't say I am speaking with 

1169
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:09,320
Bailey. 
You know, that's not that 

1170
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:10,720
doesn't work. 
You have to bring it out an 

1171
00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:13,640
entirely different way. 
So that's a good example of 

1172
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,280
adaptation in action there. 
You know, it had to change that,

1173
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:18,640
but they didn't change it very 
much. 

1174
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,680
It was interesting and 
understandable and fine, I 

1175
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,680
think. 
But this difference in the book 

1176
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:29,480
from the book, this this scene, 
he was looking for plumber, if I

1177
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,920
remember right. 
He went to tell to talk to him 

1178
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:33,840
and he wasn't there. 
And someone said, oh, he's over 

1179
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,280
in this other place. 
And Dunk went to this other 

1180
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,480
place looking for plumber and 
happened into the rest of these 

1181
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:43,520
Targaryens and such right here. 
It was a plan. 

1182
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,680
It was a decision. 
Remember when the Targaryens 

1183
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,440
first showed up and eggs like, 
maybe I should get out of here. 

1184
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,720
Someone recognizing me. 
I mean, I check on the horses. 

1185
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,040
Dunk was like, yeah, you go 
ahead. 

1186
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,800
I have an idea. 
I think right at that moment he 

1187
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,720
knew Baylor. 
Remember, I need to go find 

1188
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:00,160
Baylor. 
Yeah, I think you're right. 

1189
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,360
And then you see he sees the 
door left open, and don't go 

1190
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,160
skulking about. 
He goes through the tunnel, you 

1191
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:07,720
know, here like this little 
entrance. 

1192
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:11,280
And yeah, it was kind of a 
calculated plan on his part. 

1193
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,360
I agree with that. 
So I think it's one it's 

1194
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,240
interesting that change and I 
don't think it like really 

1195
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:20,680
changes or spoils anything, but 
it does do something that to a 

1196
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:24,840
theme you're bringing out here. 
Aziz confidence Dunk had to have

1197
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,480
a certain confidence or 
desperation to make this 

1198
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:29,640
decision, you know. 
Yeah, you're right. 

1199
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:31,280
He, he. 
I think you're right. 

1200
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:32,720
It's a combination of both. 
I think there is some 

1201
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,240
desperation, lack of other 
opportunities, as he says to the

1202
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,640
sex workers. 
Like I'm not exactly, you know, 

1203
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:38,720
I don't think I have a lot of 
choices. 

1204
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,880
I forget how he put it. 
It was a lot more concise than 

1205
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:42,200
that. 
But yeah, he's like, I'm not. 

1206
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,640
I don't have a lot of choices, 
y'all. 

1207
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,680
My lifestyle doesn't give me a 
lot of options here. 

1208
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:50,320
I'm kind of broke. 
I love the moment where Dunk 

1209
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,280
blurts out it was 7 lances. 
That was a very well done 

1210
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,280
moment. 
Like that's a key moment in the 

1211
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:56,840
book. 
And I think this this might be 

1212
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,120
one of the times where the show 
did it better. 

1213
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,520
I love that Makar just laughed. 
He's like when he corrects him, 

1214
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:06,720
he's like, and everybody Plummer
like freezes like Oh my God, he 

1215
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:08,760
Plummer somehow looked more 
terrified. 

1216
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:09,760
He was already looking 
terrified. 

1217
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,920
Somehow he just managed to look 
more terrified than he already 

1218
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,960
was. 
And Dunk's like Sir and told me 

1219
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:17,840
I was thick as a castle wall, 
which is the first time we hear 

1220
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:21,240
that line. 
This is really nice and as slow 

1221
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,600
as it means. 
A lot coming from Sir Arlen, 

1222
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:28,640
I'll say yeah. 
So I also like how dunked has 

1223
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:33,320
slowly gains confidence as the 
CNN as he realizes that Baylor 

1224
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:35,880
is hey, this this guy is 
actually really nice. 

1225
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:38,240
He's actually very kind and 
honorable. 

1226
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,760
And this might work. 
You know, like you said, Sean, 

1227
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:43,960
he he goes in here maybe with a 
plan or a hope and he's it's 

1228
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,320
starting to work. 
It's maybe Lord Ashford isn't on

1229
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,760
his side. 
Plumber's not saying anything. 

1230
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:50,360
He's he's not against him. 
He's not helping. 

1231
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,360
And Makar is impatient. 
So he's like, that's the, the, 

1232
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:57,120
the obstacle he's facing. 
There's neither Lord Ashford or 

1233
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:00,120
Makar want him there. 
But Baylor's like throwing him a

1234
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:01,680
rope here. 
And he's like, I got to take 

1235
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:03,320
this. 
Yeah. 

1236
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,240
So one of the other things I 
wanted to say, one of my other 

1237
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,360
thoughts on this scene, it's 
something we've touched on a 

1238
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:14,360
couple times already, but I 
think Baylor, just like Pate and

1239
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:18,920
just like Lionel is expecting 
this guy to come with some sort 

1240
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,680
of agenda. 
He's used to people who want to 

1241
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:27,600
marry his son or have him send 
troops to the whatever, or like 

1242
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,880
maybe they're going to 
assassinate him or some angle. 

1243
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,640
But John's like, I just want to 
be in the tournament, you know, 

1244
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:36,560
Sir Arlen, Right. 
And Bray was like, it kind of 

1245
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:38,320
like Lionel is like, what? 
You just want supper? 

1246
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:39,640
You just want. 
Yeah, you could be in a 

1247
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:41,280
tournament, dude. 
Yeah, I remember Arlen, like 

1248
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:47,320
Baylor is like his Shields come 
down when he realizes, oh, this 

1249
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,680
is just a dude that just wants 
help, you know what I mean? 

1250
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,920
I think that Dunk keeps 
disarming people with this 

1251
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:59,280
earnestness and simplicity. 
And Makar is laughing because 

1252
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:03,040
it's like, oh God, this guy has 
no idea how to behave in the 

1253
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,600
presence of royalty. 
He keeps putting his foot in his

1254
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:07,480
mouth and he and he's kind of 
right. 

1255
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:11,120
And we're kind of laughing too. 
But Baylor appreciates it. 

1256
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:16,520
This guy isn't like trying to 
angle for some royal favor. 

1257
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:20,080
He's just a knight and there's a
bunch of Knights and there's a 

1258
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:21,760
bunch of good Knights and I 
don't. 

1259
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,640
And this guy isn't coming across
as someone trying to take 

1260
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:26,080
advantage in some way. 
He's trying. 

1261
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:27,520
He's coming across someone who 
just needs some help. 

1262
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,560
Let me It's so easy, so easy for
me to help this guy. 

1263
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,360
I don't have to send troops or 
commit money or marry my son 

1264
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:33,840
off. 
Nothing. 

1265
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:35,240
I just have to say, yeah, you 
could do it. 

1266
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:36,960
Yeah, all you got to do is get 
let the guy in the tournament. 

1267
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:38,440
That's easy. 
That's all you're asking for. 

1268
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:40,080
Yeah, it's. 
You're so right, Sean. 

1269
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:41,880
That's real true. 
And that's part of why Baylor 

1270
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:47,240
like Pate and like Tanzel and 
like other people like Egg, just

1271
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,440
they recognize the good in him 
quickly and they love that, 

1272
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:51,680
right? 
They like that right away. 

1273
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,400
And that's why they want to help
him or or support him or 

1274
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,640
whatever favor they can do, 
especially one that's really 

1275
01:01:56,640 --> 01:02:00,680
easy like this, as you say, it 
reminds me of the Wire. 

1276
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:03,280
We love to quote and refer to 
It's Always Sunny on this one. 

1277
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:06,320
Someone abridged to it with that
the character Cuddy in The Wire 

1278
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:10,080
who is Z in It's Always Sunny 
there. 

1279
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:12,520
Fred Johnson. 
Yeah, that's right. 

1280
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:15,320
And Fred Johnson on The Expanse,
a very rangy actor. 

1281
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:16,800
Chad Coleman is his actor's 
name. 

1282
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:20,120
His Wire character was in 
prison. 

1283
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:23,240
He was like a, a, a heavy hitter
for a drug gang. 

1284
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:25,320
And that goes straight and wants
to just teach boxing. 

1285
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:30,240
And he goes to ask his old boss,
the drug kingpin, for some money

1286
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,920
to open the gym. 
And he's like, man, I, I don't 

1287
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:34,440
want to come, you know, I'm 
just, I want to be real 

1288
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:35,800
respectful. 
I want to ask for this one. 

1289
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:37,680
He's like, man, how much do you 
need? 

1290
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:41,360
He's like $10,000. 
Like, that's all he's like, man,

1291
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:43,760
give him $15,000 and get the 
hell out of here, you know? 

1292
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:48,160
So you really expected him to be
asking for, like 50 or 100 way 

1293
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:49,680
more. 
So he's like, oh, that's a 

1294
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:53,080
relief. 
Yeah, 10 Ki got so much money. 

1295
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:54,840
That's nothing. 
Yeah, get out of here. 

1296
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,560
Like, I'd rather just give you 
that money and you're wasting my

1297
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:00,480
time, you know? 
I thought you were going to ask 

1298
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,680
me for 50K and I was going to 
need you to kill someone for it.

1299
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:09,400
But yeah, I'm just giving, yeah.
One last thing I have two last 

1300
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:13,320
things about this scene was when
Dunk is just praising he's like 

1301
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,120
Arlen spoke so highly of Prince 
Bailor. 

1302
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:19,240
Listen that and Makar just goes.
This is his exact face. 

1303
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:21,640
He rolls his eyes. 
So well, I hope this is like a 

1304
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,560
reaction image. 
Yes, it should be, yes. 

1305
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:27,720
Like a Makar's Ugg should 
definitely be a meme, at least 

1306
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:30,000
in this fandom, if not for the 
broader world. 

1307
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:33,680
So like, yeah, he's just not. 
He's colder. 

1308
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:37,960
He doesn't have this intimacy 
like he doesn't, It doesn't mean

1309
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:40,800
things to him, especially when 
he's mad in this moment. 

1310
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:44,720
And the last thing I wanted to 
point out is that Baylor doesn't

1311
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:47,080
bring up dunk shield until he 
turns around and walks out until

1312
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:50,800
he can see the shield, which you
don't catch that in the novel 

1313
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:52,400
because it's not presented 
visually. 

1314
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,960
But it's it's very nice touch 
that when he sees the shield, 

1315
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,400
then Baylor, it occurs to Baylor
to be like, wait a second, hey, 

1316
01:03:58,400 --> 01:03:59,880
hang on, bro. 
Yeah, you're going to have to 

1317
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:03,920
paint that. 
Why do you think the Lady Gwen 

1318
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:06,240
called him big and stupid? 
Why? 

1319
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:08,400
Why does she? 
She seemed almost excited to see

1320
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:11,120
him and interact with him at 
first, but then she's like, oh, 

1321
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:12,360
you're big and stupid and she 
ran off. 

1322
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:13,280
What? 
What was up with that? 

1323
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,160
What do you what do you guys? 
Because she was read on that. 

1324
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:17,560
I have a couple reads on on how 
you could look at it. 

1325
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:19,920
This is a 13 year old girl, 
right? 

1326
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:22,800
Like she was trying to have a 
conversation with him and kind 

1327
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:26,960
of gossip and and I don't know, 
share the tea with him, you know

1328
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,680
what I mean? 
And he just has nothing much to 

1329
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:31,400
add or say. 
And she's like, OK, you're big 

1330
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:33,320
and stupid. 
You're not any help to me at 

1331
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:33,920
all. 
Right? 

1332
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:37,080
That's my take. 
Is she wanted to gossip about 

1333
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:39,680
things? 
I, I, I think you're right. 

1334
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:42,800
She she she was waiting for some
like, Oh my goodness response. 

1335
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:44,680
Right. 
She was like, wars have been 

1336
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:46,160
started for less and he's like, 
OK. 

1337
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:49,240
He's like there and he's not he.
Doesn't have any sense of the 

1338
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:52,760
drama of it or how big a deal 
like she's he's useless to her. 

1339
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:54,120
Yeah. 
All right. 

1340
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:56,280
That makes sense and. 
Then later, remember, he says, I

1341
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:57,600
trust they will not be found 
dead. 

1342
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:00,400
And Makar is just like what? 
What? 

1343
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:02,080
Yeah, she. 
Put that in his head. 

1344
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,360
Yeah, she did. 
But then also like, and then you

1345
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:07,760
have the scene where he's 
talking to Egg and he says 

1346
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:09,720
people always, everyone calls me
stupid. 

1347
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:12,240
He literally just got called 
stupid by her. 

1348
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:13,920
It's like very fresh in his 
mind. 

1349
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:16,440
Even a little girl is calling 
him stupid. 

1350
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,920
So let's talk Black Fire stuff 
here. 

1351
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:21,680
We'll do a Black Fire 
intermission. 

1352
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:25,360
One of the many things that make
Baylor so confident in who he is

1353
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:27,960
and in everything is that he's a
war hero. 

1354
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:30,560
He's very skilled at arms. 
This is the thing that brings 

1355
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:33,480
confidence in a world like this 
is being good at fighting, 

1356
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:37,000
especially someone that has a 
very loud resume. 

1357
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:38,920
He fought against the 
Blackfyres. 

1358
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:41,880
He won a battle. 
He was the the hammer to make 

1359
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:44,800
ours anvil at the Battle of the 
red grass Field. 

1360
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:48,160
And he even beat Damon Blackfyre
in a famous tournament in the 

1361
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:50,800
finals when they were both late 
in their teens. 

1362
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:54,720
So this guy's resume is 
impressive and it doesn't 

1363
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:58,640
require any juking like they're 
doing with Valar. 

1364
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:01,240
Now Makar's resume is quite 
strong too. 

1365
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:03,240
It's just that he's outshine by 
Baylor. 

1366
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:08,040
So there's there's that. 
Now this is not directly 

1367
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:09,440
mentioned that Baylor is a war 
here. 

1368
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:14,960
I imagine they'll come up later 
but we were hoping for Slash 

1369
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:19,000
expecting some black fire 
mentions and we got 2. 

1370
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:21,520
I believe there might have been 
another one but I only caught 2.

1371
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:26,000
The there wasn't any in episode 
1 and the ones here are both 

1372
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:30,440
very straightforward. 
Egg reveals that in the book 

1373
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:34,400
that he and Amon Maestro Amon 
would re enact the Black Fire 

1374
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:35,880
rebellion with figurines when 
they were kids. 

1375
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:37,720
They would just play with them 
and do stuff like that. 

1376
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:41,000
So when he's playing with a 
stick sword here and yelling 

1377
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,520
take that you black fire, do you
yield? 

1378
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:45,760
You black fire bastards. 
That was so cute. 

1379
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:47,880
Yeah, it was really cute. 
It's it's really in line with 

1380
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:50,120
what we know about it. 
He played the Black Fire 

1381
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:52,280
Rebellion, so he's playing them 
here, You know, he's. 

1382
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:55,360
Really good acting beat for him,
too, because the way he, like, 

1383
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:59,080
straightens up and tries to, you
know, be proper and like a 

1384
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:01,720
little adult, you know, And he 
sees that Dunk is not kind of 

1385
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:04,120
mirroring his excitement. 
It's just really good, too. 

1386
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:07,680
Yeah, it's a good beat because 
it shows that he's just a kid, 

1387
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:11,640
but he's trying and. 
The other one is Dunk telling 

1388
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:15,440
the story of Sir Ireland as he 
does several times to different 

1389
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:17,600
Lords to try to get them to 
vouch for him. 

1390
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:22,760
One time he mentions that Sir 
Arlen lost his previous Squire 

1391
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:29,200
Roger on the red grass field. 
And that means that Dunk or that

1392
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:32,480
Sir Arlen, you know, has fought 
for the loyalists. 

1393
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:34,640
And of course Roger was his 
nephew. 

1394
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:37,120
So it's it wasn't just his 
Squire, but it was his blood. 

1395
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:42,000
And he was killed by Lord Gorman
Peak, who of course is one of 

1396
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:43,240
the antagonists in the mystery 
night. 

1397
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:45,400
And I think Lord Gorman Peak is 
going to appear in the Hedge 

1398
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:47,680
night as one of the jousters. 
I don't think he's going to have

1399
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:49,680
a big role, but he is going to 
pop up. 

1400
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:52,160
With a helm so they don't have 
to recast. 

1401
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:54,880
Yeah, you're right. 
That's the good, good trick they

1402
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:58,640
can use. 
It's they don't wear Helms when 

1403
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:00,840
they should because they really 
want you to see who the actor 

1404
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:02,640
is. 
And when they don't want you to 

1405
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:04,640
see who the actor is, they're 
like, oh, he's going to have a 

1406
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:08,800
helm on all the time. 
So that actual anecdote about 

1407
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:11,880
Rodger of Penny Tree, Sir 
Ireland's first choir is 

1408
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,120
revealed in The Sworn Sword. 
So all they did was just move it

1409
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:16,960
up a book, move it from. 
So that's a great way to do it. 

1410
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,640
They didn't really change 
anything except when the 

1411
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:22,240
anecdote appears. 
So that's a really good low 

1412
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:24,359
impact way to do it without 
changing much. 

1413
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:29,560
We we talked a little bit about 
Sweet Foot and how sad that was.

1414
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:30,880
I don't know if I have much to 
add. 

1415
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,399
We predicted it would be sad. 
We predicted he would talk to 

1416
01:08:33,399 --> 01:08:37,560
his horse and it would be an 
opportunity for some character 

1417
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:40,840
work, some nice acting by Peter 
Claphy and yeah. 

1418
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:44,279
That's a way for them to capture
the audience for for Dunk, 

1419
01:08:44,279 --> 01:08:46,040
right? 
Like you want Dunk to be a 

1420
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:49,720
character that the audience just
loves, they root for. 

1421
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:52,600
And the best way to do that is 
to have someone be an animal 

1422
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:56,640
lover and to really care for 
their animals from a pet to, you

1423
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:59,479
know, workhorse, to treat them 
like a pet like that. 

1424
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:02,240
And I, you know, I think 
important in that way to just 

1425
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:05,160
really make us love him. 
Yeah, I totally agree. 

1426
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:07,359
The only real big change to the 
scene was they took out the 

1427
01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:09,240
haggling, which is not much of A
change. 

1428
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:12,200
Like he haggles over the price 
and the guy's like, oh, well, 

1429
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:15,120
the the saddle was included. 
And that's just, yeah, we we 

1430
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,439
don't really need that. 
It's that's a fine thing to just

1431
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:19,680
imply. 
We, we don't, we don't have to 

1432
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:22,279
see that, you know. 
I I do remember in the haggling 

1433
01:09:22,279 --> 01:09:26,800
in a book, by the way, that one 
when he first appears, the guy 

1434
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:29,560
has high praise for the horse. 
Then when Dunk says he wants to 

1435
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:31,760
sell it, the guy's like, Oh, 
well, look at all these flaws 

1436
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:34,439
the horse has. 
And Dunk is sure that when he 

1437
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:38,560
comes back to buy the horse, to 
rebuy the horse once he wins and

1438
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:41,720
has a ransom, that all those 
falls will disappear and it 

1439
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:43,399
would be a great horse worth 
more money. 

1440
01:09:44,279 --> 01:09:46,560
So yeah, I do think it's 
something that, if they had 

1441
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:50,520
tried to include, would take 
away from the sentimental moment

1442
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:52,600
of him parting with his friend. 
Right. 

1443
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:55,240
And what? 
So I think that that I 

1444
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:58,520
understand multiple reasons why 
they might have taken it out the

1445
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:03,920
joust. 
Begins AKA nights at night or 

1446
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:07,320
night night. 
This is a wild five on five. 

1447
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:10,880
It's a bit hard to tell what's 
going on, but it mostly matches 

1448
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:14,320
the novella, the big changes 
that this happens the next 

1449
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:16,800
morning in the novel rather than
at night the night before. 

1450
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:20,040
So there's the timing is only 
slightly different, but it 

1451
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:23,440
provides them with the ability 
to punctuate the action with 

1452
01:10:23,440 --> 01:10:26,200
Dunk having some character 
moment, thinking about what he's

1453
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:30,400
seen, how it reflects with this 
theme of of Sir Arlen and legacy

1454
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:32,560
and all that. 
And then the action continues 

1455
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:34,600
presumably in the next episode, 
but we'll see. 

1456
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:38,520
Here is a quote that really 
helps describe what's going on 

1457
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:41,280
and helps us figure out 'cause I
had to, you know, we do some 

1458
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:44,840
freeze framing and some slowing 
things down and then referring 

1459
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:46,640
to the novel to to for 
clarification. 

1460
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:50,240
So it's the same 10 challengers.
That's pretty cool. 

1461
01:10:50,480 --> 01:10:53,240
And here is how it's quoted in 
the novel. 

1462
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:57,800
The Gray Lion of Casterly Rock 
struck the shield of Lord Tyrell

1463
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:03,240
while his golden haired heir, 
SER Tybalt Lannister challenged 

1464
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:08,200
Lord Ashford's eldest son. 
Lord Tully of River Run tapped 

1465
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:11,720
the diamond patterned shield of 
SER Humphrey Harding. 

1466
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:17,240
SER Abalar Hightower knocked 
upon Velars and the younger 

1467
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:22,040
Ashford was called out by SER 
Lionel Baratheon the night they 

1468
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:24,960
called the Laughing Storm. 
So just like they didn't bother 

1469
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:27,280
showing the bartering, they 
didn't bother showing the 

1470
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:28,880
challenging. 
No need for that. 

1471
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:31,440
You can see who challenged to 
just based on who's lined up for

1472
01:11:31,440 --> 01:11:33,760
who. 
They did, however, show Lord 

1473
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:36,760
Tully biting the head off of 
fish as if he were some sort of 

1474
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:41,000
a Westerosi Ozzy Osbourne. 
And since there's a House Wild 

1475
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:43,560
Kingsguard, remember Willem Wild
is one of the three Kingsguard 

1476
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:45,520
remember? 
We're halfway to one of the 

1477
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:49,920
latter incarnations of Black 
Sabbath because Zack Wylde was 

1478
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:52,160
the guitarist of of one of the 
later incarnations along with 

1479
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:55,440
Ozzy Osbourne. 
And he uses spirals on his 

1480
01:11:55,440 --> 01:11:57,200
guitars. 
That's like his thing spirals 

1481
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:59,480
and house white. 
Yellow, just like House Wild. 

1482
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:02,720
Yeah, and house wild sigils or 
whirlpools, which is basically a

1483
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:07,240
spiral, so say. 
About this, I don't know, fish 

1484
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:11,640
eating fish head scene. 
Us Tully's do not claim Medgar. 

1485
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:15,200
I will say as as Oscar Tully, we
we don't claim him. 

1486
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:19,120
He's not of us. 
But look Egg later says the fish

1487
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:22,720
biting was really disgusting. 
Look at his during it when it's 

1488
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:25,600
happening, he is cheering. 
He's caught up in the moment for

1489
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:28,640
all he says it was disgusting 
later he seems very into it. 

1490
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:31,160
And look at Dunk's faces is not 
into it from there. 

1491
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:35,520
Yeah, but Egg is is well caught 
up in the theater of it all. 

1492
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:37,760
I agree I. 
Haven't thought on that by the 

1493
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:38,520
way. 
Really. 

1494
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:40,840
Go for it. 
It's connected to another 

1495
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:44,680
thought. 
Is this battle, you know, joust 

1496
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:47,680
starts to unfold. 
I, I didn't catch it. 

1497
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:49,680
I, I can't believe I didn't 
catch it the first time I 

1498
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:51,080
watched it. 
But you know, the night they 

1499
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:54,280
kind of charged across and a 
couple get knocked down and they

1500
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:58,200
come to the other side and they 
turn to come again. 

1501
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:02,320
And by the way, that's where the
name tournament comes from that 

1502
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:05,600
that turn around moment when 
after they go past and turn and 

1503
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:07,800
come back to feature, that's 
where the word tournament came 

1504
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:10,040
from. 
But in that moment, you know, 

1505
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:14,280
Lance's have been shattered and 
horses are rearing up and 

1506
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:17,560
there's a little bit of a 
urgency to turn back and ride 

1507
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:19,720
down the lane again. 
And the Squires, you're like 

1508
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:25,760
dodging huge ton, tons of tons 
of human and equine flesh to 

1509
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:29,520
like get the Lance back into the
hand of the knight that they 

1510
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:33,520
charged back down and it was 
very chaotic and dangerous and 

1511
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:37,600
and those were sturdy men as the
Squires there. 

1512
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:43,760
And Egg starts to look kind of 
drained, disheartened, even 

1513
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:47,240
looks down at his own hands and 
he wants Dunk to set him down. 

1514
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:50,840
And I didn't realize what was 
going on there first, but I did 

1515
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:51,960
eventually. 
I did. 

1516
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:55,240
He's like, I can't do that. 
I can't do that. 

1517
01:13:55,480 --> 01:13:58,880
I'll get knocked down. 
I can't reach the the Lance. 

1518
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:01,760
I'll try to hand it some horse 
or some of the Squires going to 

1519
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:04,520
bump into me. 
Like I just don't, I can't be a 

1520
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:07,640
Squire, not at this type in this
moment, in this scene. 

1521
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:11,600
Like I don't think I can do it. 
I think he's like seeing the 

1522
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:15,120
reality of it just like Dunk. 
And I think that might even be 

1523
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:17,920
later on while he is like, God, 
the fishing was disgusting 

1524
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:19,760
because in that moment he's all 
excited. 

1525
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:22,360
But then when reality starts to 
sink in, he's like, I don't know

1526
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:25,680
if I like this reality after all
that fishing was kind of gross, 

1527
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:27,920
actually. 
And Dunks going through the same

1528
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:30,360
thing is like, geez, this is 
they're not messing around. 

1529
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:33,320
These guys are experts. 
They know what they're doing and

1530
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:38,920
it's dangerous and I don't think
I can win, you know, maybe I 

1531
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:40,840
won't die, but I don't think I 
can win. 

1532
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:43,720
And I think Egg is. 
I don't think I could Squire for

1533
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:46,160
dunk in this kind of 
environment, you know? 

1534
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:48,680
I think both of them, it's a 
reality check, you know? 

1535
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:49,960
Absolutely. 
That's, and that's some of the 

1536
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:52,080
confidence I was talking about. 
Egg is very confident in 

1537
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:56,080
general, but he's, but the thing
about his size and not being big

1538
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:58,520
enough and you look like you 
don't eat enough, you know, 

1539
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:02,480
comes even in the book when Egg 
is sitting on Dunk's shoulders. 

1540
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:07,840
Dunk thinks of Eggs, pipe stem, 
arms, you know, like that's the 

1541
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:11,400
description pipe stem, which is 
that's very skinny. 

1542
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:14,520
So that was very good character 
work. 

1543
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:15,720
I agree. 
That was something that's really

1544
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:20,000
important that they brought out.
That's something that Egg has to

1545
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:23,160
reckon with, and Dunk has to 
reckon with he and and neither 

1546
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:26,440
of them necessarily has fully 
grasp what the other is going 

1547
01:15:26,440 --> 01:15:29,120
through yet. 
Maybe Egg does a little more, 

1548
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:31,360
because Egg knows what Dunk is 
facing. 

1549
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:32,960
He's like, those guys are really
good. 

1550
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:37,440
He knew that already. 
But Dunk doesn't necessarily 

1551
01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:41,280
realize what Egg is feeling 
about not being large enough. 

1552
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:45,840
So regarding all of the armor 
and Helms and whatnot, we're 

1553
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:48,680
hopeful that they'll release the
making of which they haven't 

1554
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:50,880
done. 
For episode 2, they actually had

1555
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:54,880
a tour of Ashford Meadow, of 
Ashford Meadow by Dexter, Sol 

1556
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:58,360
and Cell that was posted and 
deleted within about 10 minutes 

1557
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:01,760
after the episode. 
And so I think they posted the 

1558
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:07,600
wrong BTS and didn't replace it 
with the right BTSI assumed 

1559
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:09,680
there would be 1. 
But I would like you to know 

1560
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:12,800
that the visuals here, there's a
lot of really beautiful, 

1561
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:16,880
beautiful details on the horses,
on the armor, on their Helms, 

1562
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:21,400
like from the beautiful blue 
scales on the Tullys to the lion

1563
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:25,200
helm on the Lannisters. 
You know, there's just obviously

1564
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:28,720
we've seen Lionel Baratheon's 
antler helm a bunch. 

1565
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:33,120
We've now get a closer look at 
Valor's kind of Ridge armor, 

1566
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:35,560
which is really straight from 
the graphic novel, the comic, 

1567
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:38,600
right? 
I think very, very similar to 

1568
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:42,120
the comic. 
And we see like House Tyrell has

1569
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:45,400
like a flower on their helm, you
know, like just speaking to what

1570
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:49,200
steely paint was talking about, 
that all of these guys have the 

1571
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:52,080
most ridiculous Helms. 
Look at Medgar Tulley's fish 

1572
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:55,840
head on his helm. 
And like the it's just 

1573
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,480
craziness. 
It's just utter craziness to me.

1574
01:16:58,480 --> 01:17:01,800
And I, I just love seeing it. 
And hopefully next week we're 

1575
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:05,320
able to have some real good 
concepts, art, sketches, all of 

1576
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:08,760
that for you guys from the BTS. 
It would be a real, real shame 

1577
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:10,920
if we didn't because, yeah, 
that's a lot of cool work. 

1578
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:13,560
Like, we love to get good looks 
at the armor and heraldry. 

1579
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:15,600
It's really fun and a lot of 
work goes into it. 

1580
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:19,960
So, you know, I want to, I want 
to show respect for all that 

1581
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:22,280
effort. 
So here's the challengers and 

1582
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:25,240
champions and a little bit of a 
breakdown of what happens both 

1583
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:29,440
in book and show. 
We have the challengers who are 

1584
01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:32,960
the Gray Lion, his son and heir,
Sir Tybalt Lannister. 

1585
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:37,000
We have Lord Tully, Ozzy Tully 
as I'll call him, get Elmo, 

1586
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:40,880
Oscar, Grover and Kermit. 
Why not Ozzy? 

1587
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:46,560
And then Sir Abelar Hightower, 
who is the heir to the 

1588
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:47,600
Hightower? 
And look at. 

1589
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,440
His Hightower helm here. 
Yeah, he's that tall, actually. 

1590
01:17:50,480 --> 01:17:54,480
Got the Hightower which seems 
crazy again, so dangerous. 

1591
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:58,560
Which maybe, maybe Sir Lionel, 
who's the last challenger in 

1592
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:01,640
the, in the novel, he 
specifically knocks a lot of 

1593
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:04,120
those off. 
He, he aims for the heraldry, 

1594
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:07,400
the, the sigil on top of the 
helmet and he's very good at it.

1595
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:09,800
And then he throws them to the 
Commons. 

1596
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:13,200
So then as far as the Champions,
the Champions are Leo 

1597
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:18,920
Longthorne, the 2 Ashford sons, 
Andrew and Robert, Prince Valar,

1598
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:22,640
and then Humphrey Harding. 
So what you have is in total you

1599
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:27,000
have two Lannisters, 2 Ashfords,
five members of a great house, 

1600
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:30,760
three of whom are Lords and the 
other two who are heirs to 

1601
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:34,640
lordships and a Prince. 
And the non great house is 

1602
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:37,000
Hightower which is almost a 
great house. 

1603
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:40,200
And then the Ashford's aren't a 
great house, but it's their 

1604
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:45,240
tournament and the only guy who 
isn't in a famous house or part 

1605
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:47,440
of the family hosting the 
tournament is Sir Humphrey 

1606
01:18:47,440 --> 01:18:50,000
Harding. 
And that is because he's just 

1607
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,880
that good. 
And the novella says he won a 

1608
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:55,920
great melee at Maidenpool last 
year, Sir, and overthrew Sir 

1609
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:58,880
Donald of Duskindale and the 
Lords Aaron and Royce in the 

1610
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:00,880
list. 
So he, yeah, he's just a badass.

1611
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:04,920
And that is implied by the fact 
that he is way lower ranked than

1612
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:06,160
the rest. 
He's not even from the same 

1613
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:07,360
region. 
He's from the Vale. 

1614
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:10,040
And all these pretty much the 
rest of these houses are either 

1615
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:13,760
reach West or, well, Tully of 
course is from the Riverlands. 

1616
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:17,720
So that's notable. 
So of the five challengers, 

1617
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:21,000
you've got a high tower and four
great houses, which is very much

1618
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:23,320
reflected by how Dunk said he's 
like, yeah, the all the the 

1619
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:26,160
fancy people get to go 1st and 
these are pretty much the 

1620
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:30,240
fanciest people there. 
You got the three champions who 

1621
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:34,120
are Lord Leo and a Prince and 
then this bad ass Veilman and 

1622
01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:36,360
then the two, you know, home 
team guys. 

1623
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:40,200
So here is the book version of 
how it begins. 

1624
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:43,680
Another great quote that I think
is very well reflected in the 

1625
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:46,760
action we see. 
So it's worth mentioning here 

1626
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:49,400
quote. 
As the Champions trotted into 

1627
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:53,240
position, Ashford Meadow grew 
almost still. 

1628
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:58,720
Then a horn sounded, and 
stillness turned to tumult in 

1629
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:03,960
half a heartbeat. 10 pairs of 
gilded spurs drove into the 

1630
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:09,880
flanks of 10 Great War horses. 
1000 voices began to scream and 

1631
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:15,240
shout. 40 Iron shot Hooves 
pounded and tore the grass. 10 

1632
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:19,400
lances dipped and steadied. 
The field seemed almost to 

1633
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:23,600
shake, and champions and 
challengers came together in a 

1634
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:28,560
rending crash of wood and steel.
In an instant the riders were 

1635
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:32,200
beyond each other, Wheeling 
about for another pass. 

1636
01:20:32,480 --> 01:20:37,560
Lord Tully reeled in his saddle,
but managed to keep his seat. 

1637
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:42,760
When the Commons realized that 
all 10 of the lances had broken,

1638
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:45,480
a great roar of approval went 
up. 

1639
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:49,200
It was a splendid omen for the 
success of the tourney and a 

1640
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:52,040
testament to the skill of the 
competitors. 

1641
01:20:52,480 --> 01:20:55,040
You can even see Lord Tully 
reeling and barely keeping his 

1642
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:57,760
seat, and I'm pretty sure all 10
lances broke. 

1643
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:01,280
It's not as apparent they don't 
show it that way, but I'm pretty

1644
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:03,400
sure that's what happens. 
And then just like in the book, 

1645
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:05,760
it says Squires handed fresh 
lances to the jousters. 

1646
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:09,560
And this is when we see the 
point Sean made, which I think 

1647
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:11,160
is a great point. 
I noticed that, too. 

1648
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:14,760
He's, you know, feeling 
unconfident and whether he can 

1649
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:19,560
is capable of doing this. 
Valar does defeat Sir Abelar, as

1650
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:22,320
he as he does in the novella. 
It's the start of him facing a 

1651
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:25,560
lot of easy foes. 
In the show, we get a version of

1652
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:27,320
that. 
Dunk assumes that the Prince is 

1653
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:30,640
the favorite, and Egg says, I'll
take that bet, Sir. 

1654
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:34,080
In the book, the way it goes is 
he found himself wondering if 

1655
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:37,000
Valar had indeed inherited a 
measure of his father's prowess,

1656
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:39,720
or whether it had only been that
he had drawn the weakest 

1657
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:41,960
opponent. 
So he doesn't have the same 

1658
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:45,800
assumption in the book, but he 
does make a different assumption

1659
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:47,880
about Aryan later. 
He's like, I can't believe Aryan

1660
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:50,840
would do that on purpose. 
So he does have, Dunk does have 

1661
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:55,000
that thing that he has to 
unlearn, which is that just 

1662
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:57,200
because someone's higher ranked 
doesn't mean they're a better 

1663
01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:59,400
person. 
And that's another part of that 

1664
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:02,880
theme that we'll continue to see
play out presumably in the next 

1665
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:05,880
episode, because I think that's 
when Aryan will do that to Sir 

1666
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:11,040
Humphrey, Sir Lionel. 
This is where I think I can 

1667
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:14,240
understand where they get some 
of the idea that he's a little 

1668
01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:17,120
unhinged. 
This is I'll read this quote. 

1669
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:18,440
It's really brief. 
In the book. 

1670
01:22:18,440 --> 01:22:20,840
It says against lesser foes, he 
would often break into booming 

1671
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:23,960
laughter the moment they touched
his shield and laugh all the 

1672
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:25,800
time. 
He was mounting and charging and

1673
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:28,920
knocking them from their 
stirrups the whole time, from 

1674
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:31,560
the moment they tap on his 
shield, from the moment he 

1675
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:34,240
knocks them off their horse. 
That's like 10 minutes. 

1676
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:36,400
Is he lit really laughing for 10
minutes straight? 

1677
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:38,760
OK, that's a good thing. 
Humor. 

1678
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:40,640
He's. 
Got a great sense of humor. 

1679
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:46,480
Either way, this is one of those
rare like the show is doing a 

1680
01:22:46,480 --> 01:22:48,280
better job with the character 
and it's not like George did a 

1681
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:51,400
bad job, he just didn't develop 
this character very much. 

1682
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:55,880
You could even remember from 
that quote the moment of 

1683
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:57,080
silence. 
There's a moment of silence 

1684
01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:58,880
before the horn. 
The difference in the show was 

1685
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:01,320
that guy yelling Lord Ashford 
fucks his sheep so. 

1686
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:06,000
And can I say when he says that,
which is like, well, if there's 

1687
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:09,360
a moment of silence, someone 
might take the opportunity to, 

1688
01:23:09,440 --> 01:23:12,160
you know, say their snarky 
remark, you know? 

1689
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:16,360
But if you look at the dais, 
Makar here is is amused. 

1690
01:23:16,480 --> 01:23:19,680
Baylor is amused. 
They both have a sense of humor.

1691
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:22,720
Ashford is uncomfortable. 
Aryan just doesn't even really 

1692
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:25,120
seem to care. 
And the ladies that are behind 

1693
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:29,320
Ashford are laughing too. 
Like whatever his his mother. 

1694
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:32,160
I don't know who that is, but 
like it seems like everyone is 

1695
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:36,000
is pretty amusing by it to me. 
Even Baylor has a smile on his 

1696
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:37,280
face. 
Yeah, that's a good catch. 

1697
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:39,360
I didn't notice those reactions.
That's really funny. 

1698
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:43,360
I didn't. 
I didn't at first, but I did, 

1699
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:44,800
you know, probably my third 
watch. 

1700
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:48,040
I did particularly took note of 
how Aryan is. 

1701
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:50,760
I don't know, I can't read his 
reaction there. 

1702
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:52,920
It's like. 
He doesn't have much reactions 

1703
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:54,680
at all. 
I don't think. 

1704
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:58,040
Aryan wants to see nobility made
fun of by a commoner. 

1705
01:23:58,040 --> 01:23:59,360
I don't think he finds that 
funny. 

1706
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:02,200
I think if someone else roasted 
Ashford maybe he would laugh. 

1707
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:03,720
But he doesn't show emotions I 
think. 

1708
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:05,160
Yeah, I don't, Yeah. 
I don't think he shows his 

1709
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:08,560
emotions and I don't think, 
yeah, I don't think he respected

1710
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:10,880
that particular joke. 
I think he has enough of a 

1711
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:13,520
sense. 
I I hesitate to call it a sense 

1712
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:15,720
of humor, but a cruel humor. 
I think he would laugh at 

1713
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:16,680
something. 
Yeah. 

1714
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:18,480
You know he's not humorless is 
my point. 

1715
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:21,240
Yeah, he would laugh at someone 
falling on their face, maybe. 

1716
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:23,160
Or he would. 
Someone get hurt. 

1717
01:24:23,160 --> 01:24:25,880
He would laugh at that guy 
getting getting hit by his 

1718
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:27,880
horse. 
And he had seen it, Yeah. 

1719
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:32,480
Some lower born person being 
made fun of he might laugh at, 

1720
01:24:32,480 --> 01:24:34,920
but he doesn't like the idea 
that a lower born person would 

1721
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:36,880
make fun of a higher born. 
Person yeah, he only likes to 

1722
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:38,440
punch down. 
He does he he believes in the 

1723
01:24:38,440 --> 01:24:41,680
opposite of what what most of us
believe how comedy should work. 

1724
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:44,400
He he likes punching down where 
everybody else is like, no, you 

1725
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:49,880
should punch up. 
So as I mentioned briefly, this 

1726
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:52,600
scene in the novel happens in 
the morning. 

1727
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:55,040
It's it's the beginning of the 
next day of the jousting to 

1728
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:56,520
start. 
So they just did it this way 

1729
01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:57,920
because it would look cool in 
the night. 

1730
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:01,120
It would look it's different and
it allows them to punctuate it 

1731
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:04,120
with Dunk and AG having some 
reflection time on what they've 

1732
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:06,760
just seen, allowing some more 
character moments these which 

1733
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:09,680
character moments in the novel 
happen in Dunk's head. 

1734
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:13,000
So this is another example of 
how an adaptation just has to 

1735
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:15,560
work. 
Sometimes it's not just adding 

1736
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:17,600
dialogue. 
So sometimes it is. 

1737
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:20,360
Sometimes you also have to 
create a scene for that dialogue

1738
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:22,800
to fit in because you can't just
have Dunk all of a sudden start 

1739
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:25,920
talking during this tournament, 
right? 

1740
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:28,160
When everybody's yelling and 
shouting and the action is just 

1741
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:31,200
too much to keep up with. 
You can't also have him talking.

1742
01:25:31,480 --> 01:25:34,160
You know, that's other than to 
like interject something here 

1743
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:36,240
and there to go, whoa, you know,
things like that. 

1744
01:25:36,480 --> 01:25:38,680
So they have to create a 
scenario for this dialogue to 

1745
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:40,560
make sense. 
And that's what they did here by

1746
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:44,080
putting this moment between the 
tournament and the next day's 

1747
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:46,360
action. 
It's not like you can't have 

1748
01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:49,720
dunk or some character speak at 
all during the tournament, But 

1749
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:52,840
it's difficult to have a 
reflective moment, which is what

1750
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:54,360
we have like witness the 
tournament. 

1751
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:58,280
Then they go back to go to, to 
sleep and they reflect on the 

1752
01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:01,040
day. 
And that that would be harder to

1753
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:03,280
do if this tournament happened 
first thing in the morning. 

1754
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:07,240
So I it's it's a a minor change 
I think works really well for 

1755
01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:09,000
multiple reasons. 
Totally agree. 

1756
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:11,600
Did you talk about Leo Tyrell 
here? 

1757
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:13,840
No, I was about to though, so 
here, here's something that's 

1758
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:17,280
really hard to follow, but we 
pieced it together by Zoom and 

1759
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:22,040
Enhance and slowing things down 
so the action happens like this.

1760
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:26,640
Valar goes against Sir Abelar, 
Hightower knocks him down, 

1761
01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:30,440
Abelar's horse crashes through 
the barrier, he falls down, and 

1762
01:26:30,440 --> 01:26:31,760
that's him looking up right 
here. 

1763
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:35,280
Leo Tyrell's coming right at 
him, and he's like, uh oh. 

1764
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:39,480
So Tyrell tosses his Lance aside
so that he can pull the reins 

1765
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:42,800
and try to stop. 
He's still he's unable to stop 

1766
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:46,480
completely, so he falls off. 
He drops his shield as well. 

1767
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:50,840
Then as his opponent is coming 
the other way, which is a 

1768
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:52,040
Lannister, you can see the 
horse. 

1769
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:54,520
He grabs his Lannister, the 
Lannister horse, which is no 

1770
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:57,800
longer has a rider on it, and 
gets back on and then goes down 

1771
01:26:57,800 --> 01:27:00,320
the lane with it and scoops up 
Harold Harding's shield. 

1772
01:27:00,480 --> 01:27:04,120
So you have Leo Tyrell on Damon 
Lannister's horse holding 

1773
01:27:04,120 --> 01:27:06,880
Harding's shield. 
I'm sorry, I do that all the 

1774
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:08,440
time. 
Humphrey Harding's shield. 

1775
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:10,800
Yeah, that's like the 20th time 
I've said Harold instead of 

1776
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:13,520
Humphrey anyway, so he it's very
confusing. 

1777
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:15,600
It's already kind of chaotic in 
the 1st place, but you end up 

1778
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:18,280
with Leo Tyrell. 
To repeat, Leo Tyrell is halting

1779
01:27:18,360 --> 01:27:22,400
is sitting on the Gray lion's 
horse while holding Humphrey 

1780
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:24,200
Harding's shield. 
Yeah, you can. 

1781
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:27,360
Yeah, you can see the flower 
helm here for when it makes it 

1782
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:30,360
confusing. 
The Helms are so ornate that it 

1783
01:27:30,360 --> 01:27:33,240
helps you figure out who's who. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1784
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:35,360
I'm glad you're. 
The color's out, too, because I 

1785
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:37,120
was having a hard time piercing 
together. 

1786
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:39,800
I was like, who was that that 
jumped back up on the horse? 

1787
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:41,200
I had a hard time. 
Figuring out. 

1788
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:46,920
So this guy was Mr. Sour Leaf 
himself, Leo Longthorne Tyrell. 

1789
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:48,240
That's right. 
We thought it was Humphrey 

1790
01:27:48,240 --> 01:27:51,160
Harding, which would have made 
sense because he's such a bad 

1791
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:53,320
ass. 
Yes, but no it it is not. 

1792
01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:55,000
So is Longthorne. 
So yeah, I mean, that's how he 

1793
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:57,440
Longthorne got his name, by 
being such an amazing jouster. 

1794
01:27:57,440 --> 01:27:59,720
That's Longthorne is refers to 
Lance's. 

1795
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:04,200
So just to be clear, the 
matchups are Gray Lion versus 

1796
01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:06,880
Longthorne, his heir versus 
Andrew Oshford. 

1797
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:08,440
All right? 
He said these Tully versus 

1798
01:28:08,440 --> 01:28:12,200
Harding, Tablar versus Valar and
Lionel versus the other Ashford.

1799
01:28:14,280 --> 01:28:16,040
So that's pretty much it for the
action. 

1800
01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:18,360
I'm sure we'll have more action 
to talk about next time because 

1801
01:28:18,360 --> 01:28:20,280
there's a lot more jousting 
action to come. 

1802
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:24,040
The other trailer scenes we've 
seen are during the day, so I 

1803
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:25,440
don't think there's any more 
night jousting. 

1804
01:28:25,440 --> 01:28:27,760
I think they just do the initial
part in the at night, which is 

1805
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:30,200
it's a fine way to do it as you 
said and as I said. 

1806
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:32,200
So let's all talk about our last
bit here. 

1807
01:28:32,440 --> 01:28:35,720
But regarding that, a lot of 
people have asked about why egg,

1808
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:39,000
why no one in the dais 
recognizes egg, Seize egg. 

1809
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:42,080
Right, that's pretty far away. 
I that's what I'm saying is it's

1810
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:47,160
very far away and two eggs. 
Head was wasn't shaved at that 

1811
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:49,160
point. 
They're not looking for a bald 

1812
01:28:49,160 --> 01:28:51,000
boy. 
Holy Daron knows Holy Daron. 

1813
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:54,080
He's not there, so that's your 
answer, but it's also just very 

1814
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:56,040
far. 
I don't think they can really 

1815
01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:58,800
see faces like that at all from 
that distance. 

1816
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:03,200
It's also the concept that we 
see in a Catelyn chapter when 

1817
01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:07,840
she is on the road in disguise 
and Jason Mallister passes right

1818
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:09,640
by, looks right at her and 
doesn't recognize her. 

1819
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:11,920
And he and Jason Alfred knows 
what she looks like. 

1820
01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:16,400
And it's because he just is not 
expecting a person who looks 

1821
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:18,920
like a commoner to be Lady 
Tully. 

1822
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:20,360
Like he just doesn't occur to 
him at all. 

1823
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:22,200
And this is the same thing here 
is they they just would not 

1824
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:24,880
expect egg to be there. 
So they're not. 

1825
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:27,880
This not doesn't occur to them 
to even look, they just see a 

1826
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:30,120
bald kid from far away, if they 
even see him at all. 

1827
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:33,520
By the way, it really sucks to 
be behind Duncan Egg at that 

1828
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:35,880
tourney. 
Like you like made your way to 

1829
01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:39,480
the front and then this giant of
a man gets in front of you and 

1830
01:29:39,480 --> 01:29:42,080
puts an even talk. 
It's a kid on top of you, Yeah. 

1831
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:45,320
As someone who goes to concerts 
a lot, I would not be having 

1832
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:50,280
that. 
If I could say one other thing, 

1833
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:53,680
by the way, I think it's worth 
clarifying, especially because I

1834
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:58,520
was thinking about all this sort
of chaos as the first pass goes 

1835
01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:01,720
and the riders turn and the 
Squires give them Lance as they 

1836
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:04,680
go again. 
Did that might have been an 

1837
01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:08,800
extra surprise to egg the nature
of how that went, because this 

1838
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:10,760
isn't a standard tournament, 
right? 

1839
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:14,560
Tournaments can be run in a lot 
of different ways, and this one 

1840
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:18,160
seems to be particularly unique 
where you have a set of five 

1841
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:21,760
champions and five people 
challenge each of them and then 

1842
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:25,480
they all ride together. 
Like usually you would just have

1843
01:30:26,120 --> 01:30:29,160
one rider versus one rider and 
you wouldn't have quite the 

1844
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:32,920
tumult and chaos at either end 
that you have here it. 

1845
01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:34,800
Wouldn't be at night either. 
Yeah, you're totally right. 

1846
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:36,840
Yeah. 
Yeah, so that might have taken 

1847
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:40,320
Egga back seeing how this goes, 
even though he should have a 

1848
01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:43,240
certain and and dunk too, I 
guess have a certain amount of 

1849
01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:45,800
experience witnessing 
tournaments. 

1850
01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:48,240
This one's going a little 
different than normal, a little 

1851
01:30:48,240 --> 01:30:52,720
extra chaos and maybe a little 
extra prowess on display at 

1852
01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:57,120
once, which maybe also it would 
help to explain in addition to 

1853
01:30:57,120 --> 01:31:00,920
the distance and Egg not fitting
the profile they're looking for.

1854
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:04,760
And they're not really looking 
for Egg at this moment. 

1855
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:07,080
Like no one expects him to be 
just over there in the crowd. 

1856
01:31:07,080 --> 01:31:08,880
They're not. 
Really looking at the commoners.

1857
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:11,560
Right, exactly. 
There's more to look at. 

1858
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:13,600
There's more to look at at this 
tournament than most. 

1859
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:16,120
There's a lot happening all at. 
Once and it's dark. 

1860
01:31:16,160 --> 01:31:18,800
That's true, yeah. 
Like there's lighting on these 

1861
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:20,000
people. 
It's not, they wouldn't really 

1862
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:21,560
look that light. 
There's there's artificial 

1863
01:31:21,560 --> 01:31:24,120
lighting on them so we can see 
their faces, but it's not really

1864
01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:27,480
that well lit that. 
Would be right. 

1865
01:31:27,480 --> 01:31:31,840
The torches that would be 
lighting the way for the crowd 

1866
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:36,360
to see into the jousting lanes 
would be blinding to the people 

1867
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:39,040
on the days, right. 
They if they looked up into the 

1868
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:41,120
crowd on the other side, they'd 
be looking up in that torch 

1869
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:43,080
light which blind them. 
So they don't do that. 

1870
01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:45,920
They look down at what everyone 
is looking at is the jousters. 

1871
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:48,280
So yeah. 
So this last part is called 

1872
01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:52,240
Dunk's Determination. 
He gets pretty serious seeing 

1873
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:55,320
what he sees in the joust. 
He sees, like you said, Sean, 

1874
01:31:55,320 --> 01:31:58,080
what he's up against. 
It's a lot more intense than 

1875
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:00,240
maybe what he was expecting. 
Even though he's seen it before,

1876
01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:01,960
he's never really pictured 
himself doing it. 

1877
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:04,840
Certainly not against people of 
this status, because it isn't 

1878
01:32:04,840 --> 01:32:06,880
just their equipment and their 
training. 

1879
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:09,560
It's just who they are that's 
intimidating. 

1880
01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:12,320
Now he works his way through 
that a bit. 

1881
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:15,920
And as he's thinking about it 
during this last scene, we get 

1882
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:18,560
that moment where AG is playing 
out the black fire stuff and he 

1883
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:22,480
catches on the Dunk is is lost 
in thought and he says, is 

1884
01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:26,720
everything OK, Sir? 
And Dunk is just thinking about 

1885
01:32:26,720 --> 01:32:28,160
this. 
He's like, yes, Sir, Arley. 

1886
01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:31,760
That's when he brings up the 
point about do great nights die 

1887
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:33,200
on the side of the road in the 
mud? 

1888
01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:35,080
And it's like he's reached a 
decision. 

1889
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:38,360
He's like, yeah, I admit it. 
He he was a hard man to know, 

1890
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:41,480
you know, he wasn't such a great
guy, but he had some good 

1891
01:32:41,480 --> 01:32:43,760
qualities. 
I'm his only legacy. 

1892
01:32:44,280 --> 01:32:45,960
I got to do it. 
You know, this is what I'm 

1893
01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:47,960
doing. 
I'm his legacy, whether or not 

1894
01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:50,960
he was a great night or not, I'm
his legacy period. 

1895
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:54,400
And I'm and I, even though I see
what I'm up against, that's what

1896
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:56,000
I got to do. 
No chance, no choice. 

1897
01:32:56,760 --> 01:32:58,120
You know, it kind of comes down 
to that. 

1898
01:32:58,360 --> 01:33:02,800
And I love how he it resolves 
with him taking a rough bite off

1899
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:05,880
the hard salt beef at the end as
he's as he's framing his 

1900
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:07,960
determination to do what he has 
to do here. 

1901
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:12,120
Again, mirroring the scene where
he feeds it to Sir Arlen and 

1902
01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:14,640
obviously a food that he 
probably thinks even in that 

1903
01:33:14,640 --> 01:33:17,360
moment of like of of that scene,
right? 

1904
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:20,000
It's it's, yeah, it is. 
It's it's symbol, symbolic of 

1905
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:22,560
their lifestyle. 
The hard salt beef is the meal 

1906
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:25,040
of the hedge night, perhaps more
than anything else. 

1907
01:33:25,040 --> 01:33:27,640
And then Arlen had his heart 
salt beef. 

1908
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:32,040
Sorry, sorry. 
Soft salt beef, yeah. 

1909
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:39,400
I also think that Dunk is on on 
some level he thinks or has 

1910
01:33:39,400 --> 01:33:43,280
thought right, Arlen is great. 
I will be great too. 

1911
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:47,480
Now he's starting to think, was 
Arlen great? 

1912
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:49,960
Am I great? 
Can I be great? 

1913
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:54,120
If he was great and I think 
there's at least an amount of he

1914
01:33:54,120 --> 01:33:57,880
was he was great, doggone it, 
and I'll be great also. 

1915
01:33:58,200 --> 01:34:02,200
And I think part of that comes 
through it, it it's it's so well

1916
01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:05,360
presented. 
When he asks, I'm not going to 

1917
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:07,920
quote it correctly, but he says 
something to the effect of, you 

1918
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:10,320
know, or it might have even been
Egg that said it. 

1919
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:13,240
But all these noble Lords don't 
even remember him. 

1920
01:34:13,240 --> 01:34:15,880
Like, yeah, like in Dunk's mind,
he's a great man. 

1921
01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:19,360
But all these nobles, all these 
great Knights and all these 

1922
01:34:19,360 --> 01:34:22,040
Lords of the Lamb, they don't 
remember him. 

1923
01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:25,440
And I think the question is, 
there's two questions. 

1924
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:28,720
One is, was Arlen really that 
great? 

1925
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:32,400
The other is, are these Lords 
really that noble? 

1926
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:34,720
Shouldn't they remember a great 
man? 

1927
01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:39,200
What you know, and Dunk, Dunk is
maybe waffling between these. 

1928
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:42,480
It seems like right now that the
main feed that we're getting as 

1929
01:34:42,480 --> 01:34:44,680
the audience is like, I don't 
know, maybe Arlen wasn't that 

1930
01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:48,200
great, but I think that, you 
know, whatever the intention is,

1931
01:34:48,200 --> 01:34:52,560
right from the books we learn 
the nobles are not that great. 

1932
01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:55,920
Or maybe, maybe not, but the 
nobles are not that great. 

1933
01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:57,400
Like, not like none of them, no 
matter what. 

1934
01:34:57,400 --> 01:35:00,080
Baylor seems to be fine. 
Maybe Lionel, but a lot of these

1935
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:04,160
guys are not that great. 
And it's not a knock on Owen 

1936
01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:06,880
that they don't remember him. 
Yeah, I agree. 

1937
01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:08,080
It's not a knock on them, you 
know. 

1938
01:35:08,240 --> 01:35:10,240
I don't think we mentioned this 
when talking about Baylor. 

1939
01:35:10,240 --> 01:35:12,760
I want to throw it out there. 
We all and many other people 

1940
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:16,560
separately are like Baylor gives
sober and Martel vibes. 

1941
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:19,760
You have to think that Bernie 
Carville had took some 

1942
01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:22,320
inspiration or that the 
costuming did or something. 

1943
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:25,120
But there there's definitely a 
commonality between them that I 

1944
01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:28,520
think lots of people are seeing.
Yeah, I can see that too. 

1945
01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:30,800
I hadn't really thought about 
it, but I did see a few people 

1946
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:33,320
talking about it that way. 
I'm like, Oh, yeah, I can see 

1947
01:35:33,320 --> 01:35:38,000
that. 
So I say that my predictions for

1948
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:40,080
the end of episodes three to six
are looking strong. 

1949
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:44,720
So to follow along with that 
discussion, check out our 

1950
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:46,920
preview episodes on Fridays at 
5:30. 

1951
01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:50,680
Very short, 20 to 30 minutes. 
And just to see what's coming 

1952
01:35:50,680 --> 01:35:53,760
up, we talk about the trailer 
and other predictions like that 

1953
01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:57,600
place for some more spoilers in 
terms of what's coming on the TV

1954
01:35:57,600 --> 01:35:59,600
show. 
Obviously, I'm now we're 

1955
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:02,120
operating as if you have read 
the novel or don't mind novel 

1956
01:36:02,120 --> 01:36:04,440
spoilers. 
So that's how we're going to 

1957
01:36:04,440 --> 01:36:07,600
operate the rest of the season. 
Trivia are the question was 

1958
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:10,880
which night of the Kingsguard 
dueled Damon Blackfyre during 

1959
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:14,760
the Battle of Red Brass Field? 
The answer, Sir Gwain Corbrae 

1960
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:18,000
and he was wielding Lady 
Forlorn, which means it was 

1961
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:20,520
Valyrian steel versus Valyrian 
steel. 

1962
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:24,240
Sir Eustace Ozgre describes the 
sound of those two blades 

1963
01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:28,160
hitting each other as something 
special. 

1964
01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:32,360
And we can maybe even get some 
of that. 

1965
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:35,960
We might even get flashbacks of 
that exact duel or snippets of 

1966
01:36:35,960 --> 01:36:38,080
it when in season 2. 
I really hope so. 

1967
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:40,880
So cross your fingers. 
Now begin your prayers to the 

1968
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:44,800
Seven and whoever else you pray 
to for good results on 

1969
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:47,760
television. 
Our poll was favorite 

1970
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:49,680
performance by a non Duncan Egg 
character. 

1971
01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:56,000
The results were 12% Tanzel, 13%
Steely Pate, 14% make our 61% 

1972
01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:59,040
Baylor. 
So Baylor not quite as dominant 

1973
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:02,560
as Lionel Storm was in week 1, 
but another dominant choice. 

1974
01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:05,880
So it seems like we have a scene
stealer, a clear scene stealer 

1975
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each of the 1st 2 episodes. 
If you want to follow along some

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of this lore in the book 
version, we of course have our 

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Hedge Night reviews and The 
Sworn Sword and the Mystery 

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Night. 
We did 5 episodes on each, four 

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to go through the text and one 
to wrap it up. 

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We have that now. 
The Hedge Night episodes are re 

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hitting our feed every Thursday 
during the season. 

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We also have a two-part episode 
on Baylor Break Spear, his full 

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Life and Times, legacy and 
everything. 

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And we have one on the death of 
Makar, which is pretty far in 

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the future, but it is Makar 
content and Targaryens of this 

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era content. 
We also have a episode on Blood 

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Raven, who hasn't really come up
yet, but he's certainly around 

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in this era and that's pretty 
fun. 

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So definitely check out those if
you want to stay locked in to 

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this time frame in the world of 
Westeros. 

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Thanks to everybody for being 
here today. 

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If you joined us live, we 
certainly appreciate that. 

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It's a lot of fun to have people
here with us when we're 

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recording. 
Thanks to those of you who 

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support us on Patreon. 
It's great to have you all 

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members behind us and making 
sure we can do this every week. 

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Thanks to Bran the Builder for 
our lovely new intro. 

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We're very happy with it. 
Lots of people have. 

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I've been praising it and I can 
see why I've been praising it 

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too. 
So we are excited to continue 

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playing that all season long. 
On behalf of Sean and Ishaya, 

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thanks everybody. 
You know what to do. 

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Till next time, Valerie Ritas.