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You have questions, we have 
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have opinions. 
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shows, multiples. 2026 is going 
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Thrones on HBO or Game of 
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we're going to talk about that a
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And we also have pictures and 
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which happened just a few weeks 
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up as Oscar Tully with the rest 
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myself as Baylor the Blessed and
Damon Targaryen. 

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I still have the hair as you can
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Or maybe you can't see because 
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me, I still have the hair. 
Is that like a Fry from Futurama

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situation where you're your own 
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Oh, yes, I am. 
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grandfather to Baylor. 
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Fry is his own grandfather. 
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I played my own grand. 
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too. 
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Baylor later. 
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I wasn't Aegon the Third at any 
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Maybe I'll have to do that some 
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Sorry, Aegon the Third anyway, 
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So that's a we've got a 
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kind of a laid back fun one for 
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Lots of different things we'll 
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So let's get to it. 
We've got all that and more on 

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this episode of History of 
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Hello and welcome back 
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It's a bit of a special episode 
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We'll catch those as well. 
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to drop that in too. 
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we make mistakes every once in a
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those out and point something 
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got wrong, be happy to make that
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It's it's nice that you can do 
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So keep your bandwidth low and 
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especially when you're in a low 
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Westeros on Instagram, the 
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The Facebook page has all of the
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History of Westeros Instagram. 
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going to go October 9th weekend 
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I doubt we won't dedicate a 
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talk about what we learned or 
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episode this year. 
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with the TV stuff. 
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music as the first two shows? 
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music. 
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this show that's just locked in 
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The standard Game of Thrones 
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It just mostly focused on the 
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plenty of time to get them in 
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I'm excited for next year. 
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January apparently, well that 
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2025 for deep dives on other 
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Now, HBO won 30 Emmys this last 
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the most, which is a good sign 
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They are a business. 
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that. 
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make money, I suppose. 
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connected to success. 
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what have you, but certainly 
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And HBS has been going through a
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The TV industry as a whole, it's
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television, but it's still going
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didn't get to finish or they 
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above, I guess, because of its 
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trying to be like it. 
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that there would be two Game of 
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same time. 
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Night of the Seven Kingdoms 
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that year. 
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shows, which has never happened 
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Kingdoms in January. 
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going to be the 25th of of 
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Sunday, February 1st is also 
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They said January, but I mean, 
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1st, I wouldn't complain. 
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you said January, but you know 
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February 1st, that's that's 
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For you, I think the 25th is 
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18th or the 25th. 
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the 11th and. 
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Yeah, I mean, we have convention
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hoping, but I really can't 
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that for me personally that some
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Yes, Tanzen is Tanzel. 
How cool is that? 

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She is a climber, which is 
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I'm a climber and I've followed 
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Now I get to see her climb some,
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because she's such a fan 
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Tanzen Crawford to do a great 
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Shaya has a picture of them 
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of them in an event together, 
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commented and said 8 down. 
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So that's kind of fun. 
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that a whole lot. 2 of my 
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of Ice and Fire. 
Actually, I would say Tanzel too

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tall and black Alley. 
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talking just now and her role, I
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I just said about the intro, I 
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puppets on strings in the intro.
That would be a that's kind of a

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cool like visual, you know, 
intro ish kind of thing to do. 

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Well, that was what we were 
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they would probably change it 
for other seasons. 

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But that is what we're doing for
our Night of the Seven Kingdoms 

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intro. 
Like that's what Bran is doing. 

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So if he does that, he's just 
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did. 
I don't think they will, though.

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I think they'll do do something 
that translates across all three

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seasons of the show. 
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They might do that. 
I mean, they did that. 

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They did things that are only 
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Dragon 2 with the new with the 
new tapestry and all that. 

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But you're right, like that's 
not that's still a good theory. 

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We'll have to see. 
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the Seven Kingdoms is T McHale, 
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House of the dragon. 
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credits frequently and she kept 
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did a lot for House of the 
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for Night of the Seven Kings as 
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She also has her debut novel 
coming out. 

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As some of you may remember, she
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for quite a while now she's 
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as a producer and keeper of the 
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getting their feet wet as an 
author as well. 

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And then that's that's great. 
Congratulations to her. 

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The book is called The 
Archivist. 

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It's not out yet. 
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reader copy, you know, and, and 
we're I'm almost done with it. 

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I'm enjoying it. 
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to have an interview episode 
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Dragon and Night of 7 Kings. 
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We'll focus on the book, but 
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Thrones style questions as well 
with her. 

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So that's going to be fun. 
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that's going to happen probably 
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And we expect to see her at New 
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So interesting news about 
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tidbits. 
Some things I've been thinking 

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about. 
The actress Chloe Lea is going 

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to play the character Rafe. 
Now this by itself takes us down

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a path of, well, theorizing and 
production guessing because, 

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well, Rafe is 1 of Dunk's 
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child, an orphan child growing 
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So immediately that tells you 
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which that makes a lot of sense.
I mean, Sir Arlen has been cast 

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also, so, and they cast a major 
actor for him. 

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I doubt they did that just for a
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this really famous actor just to
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So there's a multiple pieces of 
evidence here that there's going

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to be flashbacks. 
And that makes a lot of sense. 

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If you read the Hedge Knight 
Sworn Sword Mystery Knight Dunk 

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does think about his past from 
time to time. 

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Occasionally he thinks about it 
a lot. 

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And I pulled a few examples 
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some quotes from his youth that 
helps us understand what's going

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on here. 
Now, Rafe is generally a boy's 

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name. 
Chloe Leah is not a boy. 

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So they may have gender flipped 
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But if you listen listen to 
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100% clear that Rafe is a boy in
the books either. 

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It's not an important thing to 
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generally not important anyway. 
It's just a fun thing to do to 

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change things up or to get 
better representation to mix 

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things up a little bit. 
In this case, it's just Dunk's 

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childhood friend and most of 
them are going to be boys 

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anyway, so maybe make throwing 
one girl in there. 

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As you know, that seems that 
makes sense. 

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So anyway, let's let's get to 
these quotes here. 

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This is pretty cool. 
The when they see the septon's 

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head, the preaching septon 
that's preaching against 

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Bloodraven. 
Well, here's what happens. 

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Quote. 
Dunk had seen such sights 

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before, Back in King's Landing, 
when I was a boy, I stole a head

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right off at Spike once, he told
Egg. 

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Actually, it had been Ferret who
scampered up the wall to snatch 

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the head after Rafe and Pudding 
said he'd never dare. 

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But when the guards came 
running, he'd tossed it down, 

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and Dunk was the one who caught 
it. 

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Some rebel Lord or robber knight
it was. 

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Or maybe just a common murderer.
A head's a head. 

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They all looked the same. 
After a few days on a spike, him

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and his three friends had used 
the head to terrorize the girls 

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of Flea Bottom. 
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alleys and make them give the 
head a kiss before they let them

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go. 
That head got kissed a lot. 

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As he recalled, there wasn't a 
girl in King's Landing who could

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run as fast as Rafe. 
Egg was better off not hearing 

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that part, though. 
Ferret, Rafe and pudding. 

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Little monsters, those three and
me, The worst of all his 

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friends. 
And he had kept the head until 

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the flesh turned black and began
to Slough away. 

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That took the fun out of chasing
girls. 

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So one night they burst into a 
pot shop and tossed what was 

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left into the kettle. 
Good Lord, that's gross, Tossing

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A rotting head into the bowl of 
brown or whatever that is. 

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Yikes. 
That'll turn you off bowls of 

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brown quickly, knowing that 
there could be rotting human 

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heads in there. 
So he thinks of Rafe one other 

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time as well, just in passing. 
It's not worth quoting. 

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It's, it's very similar to this 
quote here, and that's neat. 

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I wonder if they'll do something
like have him encounter one of 

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them later in life. 
Of course, none of the three 

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stories have them in King's 
Landing, so I don't know how 

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they would do that. 
Or maybe they would. 

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Maybe they would go to King's 
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stories, as a side quest or 
something like that. 

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I think they'll show them later.
I think they'll show one of his.

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One of the people from his past 
will come up later. 

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I think that's likely, yeah, I 
would. 

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I would agree with that. 
I would bet on that too. 

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And I think maybe there's a 
chance that we'll get more 

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information about how he 
transitioned from an orphan to 

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Sir Arlen. 
Like we're pretty much just told

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Sir Arlen found him was like, 
you're big. 

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Come be my Squire because my 
Squire died in the red grass 

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field. 
There's probably more to it than

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that. 
But. 

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And so that might be something 
the show decides to explore that

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George maybe was planning on 
exploring in a future Duncan egg

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novel. 
But they may not be planning on 

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getting any more novels from 
George. 

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So they may just try to do what 
they can now. 

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We'll see. 
Now again, we know, since we 

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know Sir Arlen is being cast, he
is certainly going to be part of

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somebody's flashbacks as well. 
And there's a few lines here and

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there from Dunk that sparked the
imagination. 

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At least they sparked mine. 
I suspect a lot of y'all's will 

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be sparked as well. 
When you consider some of the 

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things that Sir Arlen taught 
Dunk, A recurring theme or 

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recurring device is Dunk 
thinking about things Sir Arlen 

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taught him, often at very key 
moments, thinking about, you 

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know, like he's in battle or 
he's about to go into battle. 

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He's thinking about what Sir 
Arlen taught him and remembering

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his lessons and all that. 
Sometimes it's stuff that 

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doesn't have to do with combat, 
just survival. 

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I mean, a hedge knight has a 
tough life out there. 

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So sometimes he's just 
remembering philosophy, like the

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philosophy of being a hedge 
knight or what kind of attitude 

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is appropriate for that and how 
you have to manage yourself and 

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how you have to work twice as 
hard being a hedge knight 

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because people will look down on
you. 

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And that's why it's so important
to be honest and true, because 

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people are going to be 
suspicious of you. 

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So you really have to have a 
good reputation. 

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And these are not things that 
all hedge Knights do or believe,

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or there's no central authority 
or central philosophical body 

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for how a hedge knight is 
supposed to behave. 

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Everything Dunk learned from is 
from Sir Arlen. 

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And from all accounts, from what
we can tell, Sir On was a good 

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hedge knight like meaning. 
Quality person. 

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As far as his fighting skills, 
he seemed like he was competent 

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at least, maybe even a little 
better, though maybe not at the 

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end when he was getting up there
'cause Dunk said he was maybe 

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even 60 years old. 
Dunk thinks when he's burying 

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him. 
He thinks at least he lived to 

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see another spring, which is an 
important thing because the 

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summers have been shorter since 
the last dragon died and the 

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winters longer and crueler, 
right. 

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So that's an important like tie 
into the whole supernatural 

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aspect, the whole overarching 
ice and fire theme that's going 

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on in the background that 
they'll never get directly into.

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But they will say things that 
are very relevant like that, 

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talking about the distance and 
the change in the the season 

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since the Dragons died, like 
connecting the death of the 

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Dragons with the seasons, which 
is a a an indication of the type

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of things they can fill in the 
gaps for here. 

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Sir Arlen saw the last dragon. 
I don't think we'll get a 

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flashback of that because Dunk 
wasn't there for it. 

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So that's unlikely that we'll 
see it. 

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But wow, that would be pretty 
cool to see that. 

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There's a a couple other things 
he says Dunk remembers that he 

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had been to many a market town 
with Sir Arlen. 

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Maybe that'll come up. 
Maybe he'll remember some of 

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those. 
It's a little too vague, though.

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I'm not sure about that. 
He also thinks about a a few 

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different outlaws he's 
encountered over the years. 

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With Sir Arlen, he thinks about 
one really nasty one who stole 

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rings from people. 
He would bite the fingers off of

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women, cut the fingers off of 
men. 

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Just a creepy dude, you know? 
So that kind of thing. 

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There could be some anecdotes he
remembers about other bandits or

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outlaws or something. 
So maybe maybe someone we've 

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even heard of like the at one 
point Egg thinks of the song the

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night they hanged Black Robin 
and he was got him thinking 

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about good outlaws. 
You know there's no good outlaw 

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when you're a king, though. 
See Egg, they would you're the 

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rich they would steal from to 
give to the poor. 

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And it's the black black Robin. 
It sounds like it's just a Robin

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Hood thing because he's sounds 
like he's stealing from the 

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rich, giving to the poor. 
That vibe is there little 

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stories like this. 
You never know what will become 

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a flashback and you never know 
what they could expand that into

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to make it more meaningful, more
poignant. 

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Another one Sir Allen says that 
Dunk remembers is a knight has 

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to learn to live with aches and 
pains. 

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Pretty similar to what Arthur 
Dayne said to Jamie about 

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Knight's bleed right when he 
dubbed him Sir Jamie with Dawn. 

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And it made his shoulders bleed 
because the sword was so darn 

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sharp. 
Arthur's like, well, that's 

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you're going to be doing a lot 
of that as a knight, so get used

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to it. 
It made the occasional cut here 

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and there. 
Just you're better off learning 

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to just ignore that. 
There's also the example of Sir 

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Arlen jousting with Baylor 
Breaks Beer at Storm's End. 

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That's also not something Dunk 
witnessed, so it's unlikely to 

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be a flashback. 
But you never know, because in 

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that scene we also get Dunk 
telling the story of the 

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Dondarian sigil, the purple 
lightning, and where that story 

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came from to demonstrate his 
knowledge to Sir Manfred. 

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Which, you know, it doesn't get 
him anywhere, but it's a good 

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story and it's the kind of thing
that you could see now Game of 

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Thrones doesn't usually do this 
kind of thing, but we can't 

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assume it's going to be the same
where someone starts to tell, 

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00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,520
starts to tell a story and the 
screen fades and you start to 

447
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,440
get that, you start to get that 
story, you get to get visuals of

448
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,080
that. 
That's something I would like to

449
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:43,160
see. 
I don't know if they're going to

450
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:47,760
do that, but I really hope they 
do because in the long run, if 

451
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:52,080
they don't do it now in the 
season, in season 1, they're 

452
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,680
got, they got to do it for 
season 2. 

453
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,440
And what I mean is they're going
to talk about the Blackfyre 

454
00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,000
Rebellion's substantial amount. 
Dunk wasn't there. 

455
00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:02,280
Don't they want to show 
flashbacks of that? 

456
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,520
Don't we want to see the red 
grass field? 

457
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,960
Don't we want to see Damon 
Blackfyre charging? 

458
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:13,680
I think they would want to show 
us that, you know, and I hope we

459
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,000
get it, you know, so that's a 
strong possibility. 

460
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,040
So I'm I can't. 
So when I say that maybe we 

461
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,760
won't get flashbacks that Dunk 
wasn't party to, well there's a 

462
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,600
strong counter argument against 
that with the whole Blackfyre 

463
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,880
angle. 
So maybe we will see things that

464
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,240
aren't just from Dunks POV just 
because all the novellas are 

465
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,600
from Dunks POV. 
Well this is one of the major 

466
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,800
changes with any sort of 
adaptation. 

467
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,640
This is no longer POV style. 
So we will see different things 

468
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,840
like that. 
Yeah, I think we might get 

469
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,280
flashbacks that aren't from 
Dunks POV later and like in book

470
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:51,080
2 or or three, you know, season 
2 or 3 because they'll have more

471
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,440
budget and more trust and more 
abilities that, you know, 

472
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,440
because they'll have built their
world already. 

473
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:56,520
You know what? 
You know what I mean? 

474
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,680
But the other thing I want to 
ask about is whether we might 

475
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:05,440
see flashbacks that are like 
egg, egg, eggs, back story egg 

476
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,600
in the castle, you know, or if 
they're or if they're 

477
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,200
effectively flashbacks because 
we they're flashbacks because we

478
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,960
never see them on screen. 
Right, right. 

479
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:23,200
Like there's off page. 
They there is some logic or good

480
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,880
reason for them to show eggs 
dreams as well. 

481
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,320
Maybe set up? 
Maybe set up some wildfire stuff

482
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,040
or. 
Do you think they would show 

483
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,960
Deron's dreams? 
I wrote that in the notes that 

484
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,960
if anyone's dreams come out, 
he's a very strong candidate 

485
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,520
because he's going to going to 
sit up in a pool of wine and 

486
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,440
point a dunk and be like blah, 
blah, blah, blah, blah. 

487
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,520
You know, I saw you this and 
that they might show it, you 

488
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,680
know, because that would be a 
really effective story device to

489
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,080
show the dreams that way. 
They can do a lot with cold 

490
00:25:50,120 --> 00:25:55,600
opens too to in terms of the 
it's hard sometimes to to insert

491
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,040
something like that midway 
through an episode, but when it 

492
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,200
starts as like the prologue cold
open to it, you can kind of do 

493
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:02,800
it more seamlessly. 
That's a good point. 

494
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,680
That's a good point. 
Now when he arrives at Ashford, 

495
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,000
Dunk thinks how Sir Arlen knew 
some of the night's present 

496
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,200
because he had talked about 
them. 

497
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,360
Dunk wasn't there to meet them. 
He just, we're talking about Sir

498
00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:17,160
Arlen's whole life and as I 
said, he lived to be 60 ish. 

499
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,120
So he got around. 
He did. 

500
00:26:20,120 --> 00:26:23,560
He had a full life. 
So Dunk knows a few things about

501
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,680
some of these people because Sir
Arlen told him others he has no 

502
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,080
idea. 
And then a few others, you know,

503
00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:31,720
EG is telling him this sigil is 
this person, this sigil is this 

504
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,280
person. 
So it really, really helps him 

505
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,520
get his bearings, so to speak. 
Returning briefly to the subject

506
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:43,480
of the last dragon, well, he 
remarks, well, all he remembers 

507
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,480
rather that Sir Arlen told that 
story half 100 times. 

508
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,400
He told the story of the last 
dragon many, many times, which 

509
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:54,520
is maybe soft evidence that it 
will be brought up a few times 

510
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,640
or maybe it's be portrayed via 
flashback or something like 

511
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,600
that. 
So that's compelling, I'd say. 

512
00:27:02,360 --> 00:27:07,080
Now here's a particular quote 
from Sir Arlen, rather dunks 

513
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,400
memory of Sir Arlen, I think is 
very, very likely to get 

514
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:16,000
something like this, maybe even 
episode 1, maybe episode 2. 

515
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,240
But I think very early because 
it's a it's sort of a mission 

516
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,280
statement for what Dunk is, for 
how Sir Arlen taught him to be 

517
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,400
what he is. 
And Dunk is a good enough person

518
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,440
by nature to want to follow 
along with this, to live up to 

519
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,240
this. 
So here's what I think we'll 

520
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,840
get, or some version of it. 
Quote A hedge knight is the 

521
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:38,640
truest kind of knight, Dunk, the
old man had told him a long, 

522
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,440
long time ago. 
Other Knights serve the Lords 

523
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:48,200
who keep them, or from whom they
hold their lands, but we serve 

524
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,320
where we will for men whose 
causes we believe in. 

525
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,520
Every night swears to protect 
the weak and innocent, but we 

526
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:02,240
keep the vow best, I think. 
Queer how strong that memory 

527
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,080
seemed. 
Dunk had quite forgotten those 

528
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:09,600
words, and perhaps the old man 
had as well toward the end. 

529
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,560
Not only is it just a great 
quote, a great thing to say, 

530
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,360
it's, it's beautiful, it's 
meaningful. 

531
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:19,320
It's a little bit tragic because
of how he, he, he sort of hints 

532
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,240
that maybe Sir Arlen wasn't such
a great night towards the end as

533
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,880
he was getting old and, and 
weaker and not able to, he 

534
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,680
couldn't afford to be as good as
he was. 

535
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,760
I suppose you could say he was a
little more desperate, perhaps a

536
00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:34,760
little more realistic in that 
sense. 

537
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,880
So there's a, there's a, a tinge
of realism in here, dark realism

538
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:43,440
perhaps, but but the core of it 
is, I mean, this is like 

539
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,440
Brienne's attitude later. 
And of course, most of us 

540
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,080
believe that Brienne is a 
descendant of Dunk because 

541
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:56,160
there's a lot of clues for it. 
So this is who Dunk is. 

542
00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,120
And I think a lot of the 
audience members who aren't as 

543
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,520
well versed in this as we are, 
this is a great way to introduce

544
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,600
them to the concept of a hedge 
night, which they've only kind 

545
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,720
of heard of a little bit. 
Like the phrase has been tossed 

546
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,800
around, but you don't really 
hear hedge night that much in 

547
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,640
Game of Thrones or House of the 
Dragon. 

548
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,520
Certainly in the books you do. 
But the TV show audience, they 

549
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,720
don't necessarily know what that
means. 

550
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,640
They've maybe even heard, 
they've maybe heard the phrase 

551
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,240
once or twice and maybe not have
heard it at all. 

552
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,680
I don't actually recall if it's 
how often it's said in the show,

553
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,360
maybe not ever so. 
But but everybody knows, whether

554
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,160
whether they've read the books 
or not about what nights are 

555
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,920
supposed to do, how they're 
supposed to protect the weak. 

556
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,880
We all know, even people who are
barely versed in this series 

557
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,520
know that it doesn't actually 
work that way. 

558
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:46,120
Most nights aren't so great. 
He even indicates here, we keep 

559
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,400
the vow best. 
I think it's kind of a nice way 

560
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,600
of saying that a lot of them 
don't keep the vow. 

561
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:52,320
Some of them don't keep it at 
all. 

562
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,840
Like they're not even trying. 
But it's super important to 

563
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,680
Dunk. 
And Dunk's not just going to 

564
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,200
like relay that to Egg. 
He might say something like it 

565
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,000
tell him, but this is this is 
has flashback written all over 

566
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,120
it. 
Danny Webb, the actor plan Sir 

567
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,400
Arlen telling him this. 
It would be it would hit so much

568
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,400
harder than dunk being like 
walking down the road talking to

569
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,400
egg and me like so Sir Arlen 
taught me this. 

570
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:16,840
You know, hygenites have to be 
true. 

571
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,480
That would be cool too. 
But I just think it would hit 

572
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,760
really hard as a flashback. 
Arlen also taught Dunk a lot 

573
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,800
about jousting and of course, 
sword fighting. 

574
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,120
So there's a lot of these 
lessons that, as I alluded to 

575
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,120
earlier, Dunk often thinks of 
these things as right as he's 

576
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,200
about to go into action or he's 
thinking about that He remembers

577
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,520
the lessons of Sir Arlen. 
Some of them are very fresh in 

578
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,640
his mind. 
Remember, he's only 16 or 17 

579
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:43,440
when Edge Night begins. 
So yeah, it, it's, it's only 

580
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:44,760
we're talking about the last few
years. 

581
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,520
And those are his most formative
years because he was an orphan 

582
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:52,680
in Flea Bottom before that. 
There's a repeated line that Sir

583
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,520
Arlen says. 
It just shows his character and 

584
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,520
his positivity and just the fact
that he's a good guy, right? 

585
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,520
Even though, even with this, 
this comment that maybe he 

586
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,680
wasn't quite as good near the 
end, still he's, he has this 

587
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,720
line that he repeats. 
I wonder what the marrow will 

588
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,760
bring. 
It's a very positive outlook. 

589
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,160
He's not saying he's not scared 
of what the marrow will bring. 

590
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,360
He's not worried that bad things
will happen. 

591
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,360
It's a positive outlook. 
It's, it's, it's a pro thing. 

592
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,080
He's like, hey, what fun thing, 
What wondrous thing will happen 

593
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,000
today? 
It's good to be alive, you know,

594
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,120
And Dunk takes that up. 
He, he, I believe the hedge 

595
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,600
night ends with him saying that 
to Egg. 

596
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,920
And I don't remember if he tells
Egg that something Sir Arlen 

597
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,920
says or not. 
He certainly thinks of it. 

598
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,640
There's also dreams we talked 
about, yes, Darren's dreams and 

599
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,440
Egg's dreams. 
But Dunk has dreams too. 

600
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:46,160
He can have dreams that matter. 
He has the the very sad dream of

601
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,440
burying Chestnut and remembering
that and remembering both the 

602
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,000
reality of it and then the dream
version of that where the sand 

603
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,080
keeps pouring in and it it's not
exactly what really happened, 

604
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:02,600
but it's telling us that he 
really cared for his horse and 

605
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:07,040
he was sentimental and the 
Dornish men were like, what are 

606
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,520
you doing, man? 
You're crying over a horse. 

607
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,800
You know, in the desert. 
We can't wastewater like that. 

608
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,560
They're they're laughing a 
little bit, but they're also 

609
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,680
confused. 
But dunked is he's not 

610
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,280
intimidated or embarrassed at 
all. 

611
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:19,320
He's going to do what he's 
doing. 

612
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,680
He's going to be loyal to his 
horse. 

613
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,400
It's easy for us to when we 
think of dreams, to think of the

614
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,880
prophetic dreams, the flashback 
slash, flash forward dreams, but

615
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,600
this one matters a lot too. 
Things like this just dunks. 

616
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,880
Regular dreams can matter quite 
a bit as well. 

617
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:43,160
Now, another topic that we've 
just touched on briefly here, 

618
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,600
but I want to get into a little 
more thoroughly is the idea of 

619
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,680
the black fires because as we 
all know, the hedge and I does 

620
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,600
not mention the black fires. 
George had not finished 

621
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,880
developing that. 
So they don't get mentioned 

622
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,560
until the sworn sword and 
they're very prominent in the 

623
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,280
sworn sword. 
So George is this, this is some 

624
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,520
back fitting, some retro fitting
is required here. 

625
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,680
And one of the most obvious 
characters that needs to be 

626
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,480
introduced a book sooner is 
Blood Raven. 

627
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:14,760
And I found what I am almost 
positive will be the basis for 

628
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:19,680
Dunk remembering Blood Raven. 
We don't even have to see Blood 

629
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:24,320
Raven in season 1 on, you know, 
live and in person there we can 

630
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,960
have him seen as a dream or a 
flashback. 

631
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,880
And here's the best example I 
think from the Sworn Sword 

632
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,680
quote. 
Six years ago in King's Landing,

633
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:40,240
Dunk had seen him with his own 
two eyes as he rode A pale horse

634
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:44,680
up the Street of Steel with 50 
Ravens teeth behind him. 

635
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,440
That was before King Aries had 
ascended to the Iron Throne and 

636
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,560
made him the Hand. 
But Even so he cut a striking 

637
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,960
figure garbed in smoke and 
scarlet with Dark Sister on his 

638
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,160
hip. 
His pallid skin in bone white 

639
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,400
hair made him look a living 
corpse. 

640
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:10,199
Across his cheek and chin spread
a wine stained birthmark that 

641
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:14,760
was supposed to resemble a red 
Raven, though Dunk only saw an 

642
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,560
odd shaped blotch of discolored 
skin. 

643
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:21,880
He stared so hard that 
Bloodraven felt it. 

644
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,679
The King's sorcerer had turned 
to study him as he went by. 

645
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:33,199
He had one eye and that one red.
The other was an empty socket, 

646
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,480
the gift Bitter Steel had given 
him upon the red grass field. 

647
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:42,960
Yet it seemed to dunk that both 
eyes had looked right through 

648
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:48,960
his skin, down to his very soul.
Despite the heat, the memory 

649
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,159
made him shiver. 
And it's a significant shiver. 

650
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:53,760
AG even notices. 
He's like, are you OK? 

651
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:58,800
He's like, yeah, I'm fine. 
Blood Raven sensed him right, 

652
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,480
like yeah, right like he had to 
sense his importance in history 

653
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,000
as. 
Something about that seems 

654
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,200
supernatural. 
Yes. 

655
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,400
It's not. 
It's not, like, obvious. 

656
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,760
But yeah, it could just be how 
Dunk is like he's so intimidated

657
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,360
by, but why would he turn to 
look right at him? 

658
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,120
That's hard to mistake. 
I think it's like a you. 

659
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,520
You meant to think he's just 
intimidated by him, you know, 

660
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,560
and that, but then when you 
realize that Blood Raven really 

661
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,800
is this magical, powerful being,
you're like, no, I I actually 

662
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:31,040
think he was seeing you dunk. 
And it's it's a classic George 

663
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,960
set up here where blood Raven 
could just be noticing dunk 

664
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:40,120
because he's freaking 7 feet 
tall, you know, like that's that

665
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,080
makes you look like I would 
double take if someone that was 

666
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,800
that much taller than everybody 
else, you know, so it could be 

667
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,120
that. 
But the magical angle here is 

668
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,880
too strong to just dismiss. 
It could be both. 

669
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,760
It could be he noticed the big 
dude and was like, then he 

670
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:01,440
started to focus and imagine the
his history, his future, 

671
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,600
whatever kind of supernatural 
thing he's doing there. 

672
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,320
And this description is so, so 
vivid, right? 

673
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,480
The way he's dressed, his hair 
looking like a corpse, his his 

674
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:17,080
bearing his 50 Ravens teeth 
behind him, the birthmark. 

675
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,440
It's it's a lot, right? 
The description is very strong. 

676
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:25,360
So it's such a great basis for a
flashback where we get 

677
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,600
introduced to this character on 
screen. 

678
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:32,120
Again, a lot of people don't 
know who this guy is, but if 

679
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,600
they do it right, they'll 
recognize the figure from 

680
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,840
Damon's dreams in House of the 
Dragon because they made him 

681
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,880
pretty distinct. 
Blood Ravens, awfully distinct 

682
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,800
character going by this 
description, seeing him on 

683
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,560
screen in House of the Dragon 
for a minute there, not even a 

684
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:51,240
minute, couple seconds, but it's
a distinct few seconds. 

685
00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:54,120
And I think a lot of people will
catch that. 

686
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,640
Certainly it'll be on a lot of 
analysis, a lot of a lot of 

687
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,440
channels will be making look at 
this guy was in the dream, you 

688
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,080
know, the same guy. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we know. 

689
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,680
So this scene happened, it said,
six years ago, right? 

690
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,520
Six years ago in King's Landing.
So this is before Sir Arlen 

691
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,320
found him. 
He was really tall then. 

692
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,240
He's already a a big kid, so 
he's probably 10 or 11 years 

693
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:20,600
old, right? 
So that another reason why it's 

694
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,320
a little weird that Bloodraven's
staring at him. 

695
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,920
Like yes, he's tall, but he 
probably isn't full grown. 

696
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,320
Then I maybe need to correct 
myself. 

697
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,760
He probably wasn't 7 feet yet at
age 11. 

698
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,040
No, he probably wasn't because 
most boys have their growth 

699
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,160
spurt, you know, a little bit 
later than 11. 

700
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,760
Yeah, he was probably very big 
by then, but he probably didn't 

701
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,120
like stand taller than a lot of 
tall men. 

702
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:47,840
At that point, I would agree 
with that and I the thing I 

703
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,880
think is interesting is that he 
probably was a big guy in 

704
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,440
general because just things 
about Dunk, I don't know. 

705
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,560
I would guess he already was 
big, but not everyone that grows

706
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,240
to that tall is that tall when 
they're that age. 

707
00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:02,200
I'll give you the example of my 
brother is 6 foot 8. 

708
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,840
He's a huge guy. 
He had his growth spurt between 

709
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:12,160
the age of 6 and 16 and 17. 
He was not over 6 feet before he

710
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,480
was about that age. 
So when he was 15 he was below 6

711
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,880
feet and then when he by the 
time he was 18, he was 6 foot 8.

712
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,800
Yes, so like he was, he had 
terrible growing. 

713
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,000
Pains that would. 
Be painful. 

714
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,240
Yeah. 
Anyway, so like, if he's not 

715
00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:28,440
normal, he is an inspiration to 
every short boy who's entering 

716
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:29,720
his freshman year advisor like 
you. 

717
00:38:29,720 --> 00:38:31,240
Really. 
There's a chance you really 

718
00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:34,000
could have your growth spurt, 
like, and get real tall man. 

719
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,880
But unlikely. 
He probably was a tall boy. 

720
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,440
Yeah. 
Yeah, I would agree. 

721
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,720
So maybe his hands were bigger, 
you know, just like signs that 

722
00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:45,120
he would grow into a. 
Large. 

723
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:46,800
Yeah, like our. 
Signs. 

724
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,120
Yeah, you like you had. 
You had big hands, big feet. 

725
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,600
Big whiskers, Yeah. 
Big ears. 

726
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,800
Like that cat's going to be big.
And he was or is, Yes. 

727
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,280
So that's really cool. 
I love, obviously we love 

728
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,240
talking about Bloodraven. 
It's exciting to think about how

729
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:05,240
he's going to be portrayed and. 
And we don't even know what 

730
00:39:05,240 --> 00:39:08,360
actors playing him yet. 
I kind of hope it's the same 

731
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,880
one, perhaps with the dragon. 
I don't know that I think it's 

732
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,240
the most likely thing. 
I hope so. 

733
00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:16,320
I think it's going to be the 
same guy because I don't think 

734
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,880
he's going to do much but walk 
around and stare. 

735
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,120
I don't think he's going to be 
talking yet. 

736
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,520
I think we're going to get him 
talking in season 2 or season 3.

737
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,680
Definitely season 3, maybe 
season 2. 

738
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,400
So I think they can avoid 
that's, that's what we often do.

739
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,720
They, they use an actor that's 
not the one who's going to be 

740
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:34,520
speaking the lines. 
If they don't have that need and

741
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,120
then they transition to someone 
who's going to speak the lines. 

742
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,040
That's, that's not an uncommon 
thing. 

743
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,520
We saw that in Foundation. 
And I'm, I think of that because

744
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,840
it's Pilo Asbeck is the 
character that was brought in to

745
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,040
be the speaking role of a 
character who's only seen in 

746
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,160
dreams. 
It wasn't him when he was seen 

747
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,760
in dreams. 
One thing that I'm really 

748
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,720
looking forward to that is a big
distinct difference between 

749
00:39:56,720 --> 00:39:59,360
mediums. 
And by that I mean books and 

750
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,160
shows. 
One that shows have a big 

751
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,320
advantage on is we've already 
briefly touched on this music, 

752
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,440
the theme song we touched on, 
but in the show we're going to 

753
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,560
have in world music and the 
first show we had Baron the 

754
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:18,880
maiden fair reigns of Castamere 
Jenny's song just really good 

755
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,200
song. 
These were successful pop like 

756
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,600
went did well in the mainstream,
did fairly well even outside of 

757
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,720
the fandom. 
Like these were hits almost our 

758
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,080
close to you can call them hits.
I don't know if they were 

759
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,720
technically hits, you know, but 
they were successful. 

760
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,520
Game of Thrones universe has a 
history. 

761
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,000
Only 10 years or so, but it's 
got a strong history. 12 years, 

762
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,120
1515 now. 
Wow. 

763
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,720
Yeah, 15 years of quality music,
right? 

764
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,960
And there's some great 
opportunities here in season 1. 

765
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:55,320
A good way to introduce Blood 
Raven to retrofit Blood Raven is

766
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,440
just Dunk could be walking by 
looking at Ashford Meadow, 

767
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,960
taking in all the sights and 
sounds and what does he hear? 

768
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:07,080
Someone singing 1000 eyes and 
one some bar just singing about 

769
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,560
the thousand eyes and one song. 
That's a song, right? 

770
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,840
That's a song in this era. 
We've never heard it. 

771
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,040
I bet we will maybe not Season 
1. 

772
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,720
I hope season 1 'cause I I'm 
enamored with this idea that 

773
00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:20,720
Dunk could just like hear it in 
passing and we we're like, oh, 

774
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,360
that's, that's thousand eyes and
one, that's the blood Raven 

775
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:24,640
song. 
That'd be pretty cool, right? 

776
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,920
But yeah, maybe they won't do 
that till till season 2 or 

777
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,080
three. 
I've I'm going to bet season 1 

778
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,360
though. 
But that's not the only song we 

779
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:33,680
could hear. 
We could hear the hammer in the 

780
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:38,080
anvil, which is the Makar and 
Baylor break spear song. 

781
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:43,040
How Makar was the anvil, Baylor 
was the hammer broke the black 

782
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:47,040
fires at the red grass field. 
Lots of songs were made about 

783
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,640
that. 
Well, that a song was made about

784
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,920
that. 
A popular song was made about 

785
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,880
that. 
And so we could hear that song 

786
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,560
too. 
You know, those are the two that

787
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,400
I could think of. 
I'm sure there's there's 

788
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,760
probably a few other examples, 
but those who really stand out. 

789
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,760
And I'm excited to hear what 
they do. 

790
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,320
The bar is high because of, like
I said, they've been very good 

791
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,800
with the music, turning them 
into real world songs. 

792
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,240
And I'm excited to hear what 
whoever comes up with. 

793
00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:14,440
I don't know. 
House the Dragon even made their

794
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:18,320
own songs up, like with 
Nymeria's song for example, that

795
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:19,800
T wrote. 
So you know. 

796
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,120
Oh yeah, T wrote those lyrics. 
Yeah, another shout out to T. 

797
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,440
Or Vermithor Lullaby. 
Vermithor Lullaby. 

798
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,360
Yeah, good point. 
I forgot about that one. 

799
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,080
Yeah, So there's yeah, there's 
just a lot of songs. 

800
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,360
So this is a big part of it. 
I mean, it is a song of ice and 

801
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,000
fire. 
Y'all Like it's it's, it should 

802
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,240
be. 
And it's trying to portray a 

803
00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:37,000
realistic Kingdom. 
You know, music would be a part 

804
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,280
of it. 
Like, yeah, people are going to 

805
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:39,440
sing. 
People are going to. 

806
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,040
It's going to be songs. 
The actor playing Arian Finn 

807
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:47,280
Bennett, he won a Chopart Award.
It was a very prestigious acting

808
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,000
award. 
He's one of the youngest people 

809
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:50,640
ever to win it. 
I believe, if I read that 

810
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:55,640
correctly, he thought he flubbed
his audition for Arian. 

811
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,200
He called his agent was like, 
yeah, that's that's not going to

812
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,160
happen. 
Well, he was wrong. 

813
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,680
He got the role. 
He said he had never ridden a 

814
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,480
horse before, which is kind of 
baffling to me. 

815
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:12,360
Like, you're an Englishman who's
like, comes from like a rich 

816
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,640
background and you've never 
ridden a horse that's just all 

817
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,160
right. 
Well, he loved it, though. 

818
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,400
He his horse was named Zandor 
with an X. 

819
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,200
I'm glad you added the rich 
background, Parks. 

820
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,240
I was like, what do you mean? 
He's an Englishman who hasn't? 

821
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,080
OK, yeah, he's a Rich. 
A wealthy Englishman that hasn't

822
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:27,880
ridden a horse is is a little 
odd to me. 

823
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,360
And an actor, too, like, you 
would think it may have come up 

824
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:33,960
before. 
Like, he's won awards and he's 

825
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,360
been, yeah. 
If I'm a British actor, you 

826
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,840
better believe I'm practicing my
horse riding for any role I 

827
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,120
could get. 
See. 

828
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:42,800
Yeah, you know what I mean. 
Exactly what you're saying, 

829
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:47,080
yeah. 
Hints are that they're not going

830
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,480
to go past what George wrote for
The Hedge, Night Sworn, Sword of

831
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,040
Misrenite, that right now 
they're saying three seasons, 

832
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,680
which corresponds to the books. 
If George puts out a fourth one,

833
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:57,800
then maybe they'll add a fourth 
one. 

834
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,200
But I don't think they're just 
going to go all the way to the 

835
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,520
end of Duncan Egg's life, which 
is that's a mixed bag. 

836
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,200
We want to see the whole story, 
but it wouldn't be written by 

837
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,640
George. 
So yeah, I don't know. 

838
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,120
Yeah, I'm not sure about that. 
We'll have to see. 

839
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:13,920
That's kind of a wait and see 
type thing. 

840
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:18,360
But season 2 is already filming 
so yeah like there isn't a whole

841
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,680
lot of time for George to put 
out much more. 

842
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,480
And obviously they can't exactly
shelve it and come back to it. 

843
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,960
Not very easily given the mostly
due to egg. 

844
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:33,320
You can't have a nine year old 
actor that is big and full of 

845
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,440
personality. 
Dexter Sol Ansel is just 

846
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,280
crushing social media with his 
adorableness. 

847
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,640
He's just wedding so many people
over without having even 

848
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,000
appeared on the show yet. 
He's the cutest. 

849
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:46,760
He's so. 
Cute. 

850
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,480
His parents, I mean, know 
exactly how cute he is. 

851
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,280
But you can't recast him. 
That's his. 

852
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,840
Parents crushing social media. 
Yeah, that's true. 

853
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,160
By knowing when to have him, 
like wish happy birthday to 

854
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,960
George RR Martin. 
Like, it's really obvious to do,

855
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,400
but it's really sweet. 
It's just genuinely sweet of 

856
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,040
him. 
Yeah, yeah. 

857
00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:07,440
It's it's, you love to see it. 
You love to see it. 

858
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,000
So I know we've gone through 
some of these before, but let's 

859
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,240
just go through it again real 
quick. 

860
00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:15,280
In case you all missed it or 
have you forgotten, we've got 

861
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:20,160
Duncan Natal is Peter Claffey. 
Peter Claffey also doing pretty 

862
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:24,120
well on social media, but he's 
interestingly he's a former 

863
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,160
footballer. 
Can I tell you about Peter 

864
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,200
Claffey? 
He loves actors. 

865
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,320
He just, on his stories, he's 
just constantly sharing, like 

866
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:37,600
his things he likes in pop 
culture, like actors he admires.

867
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,880
He likes sharing stuff from like
the Always Sunny cast. 

868
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,480
Like, I don't know, like he just
clearly likes media. 

869
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,640
I don't know how to say it. 
He's a fan of he's a fan, if 

870
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,640
that makes sense. 
So we so Danny Webb is Sir Arlen

871
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,480
of Penny Tree. 
As we mentioned, he's an elder 

872
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,960
actor, been around a long time, 
huge number of credits, just 

873
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,160
really, really well known guy, 
very successful. 

874
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,480
Tenzin Crawford, as we 
mentioned, is Tenzil too tall. 

875
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,800
She's a bit of a newer player on
the scene. 

876
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,480
Young woman doesn't have a whole
lot of acting credits, but 

877
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,200
obviously she's good to have won
this role. 

878
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,760
That's that's says a lot. 
Daniel Ings is the Laughing 

879
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,720
Storm. 
Sir Lionel Baratheon. 

880
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,960
You look at the picture of him 
and it's like, huh? 

881
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,000
Is this guy bigger than he 
seems? 

882
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:18,960
I don't know. 
He must, because the picture of 

883
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,480
him doesn't look like a big guy,
but it's he's. 

884
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,080
Not a big guy. 
I love this actor. 

885
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,040
He's one of my favorite British 
like comedian actors. 

886
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,000
Yeah, he was. 
He's been in a number of shows 

887
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,400
that I liked. 
But he's not a big guy. 

888
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,000
He's an, he's an intense guy 
though. 

889
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:35,680
He has a certain intensity and 
he has a really askable, likable

890
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,000
mate. 
Like the Laughing Storm. 

891
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:38,360
Like, I think he's going to be 
very funny. 

892
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,240
That's that. 
Seems like it's important to 

893
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:42,880
have to have that aspect of his 
personality come through. 

894
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,720
Yeah. 
We have Steve Wall as Leo 

895
00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:48,440
Longthorne Tyrell. 
Now, this is a an actor who's 

896
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,480
played a lot of villains, which 
is interesting that Leo 

897
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,760
Longthorne is going to be 
portrayed this way. 

898
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,120
A Longthorne doesn't have a huge
role in the Hedge Night, so I 

899
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:57,840
wonder if they've boosted that a
little bit. 

900
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,840
But if I recall correctly, he's 
only got like a three lines. 

901
00:47:01,240 --> 00:47:03,320
So it's a usually characters 
that only have a few lines like 

902
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,920
that aren't listed so 
importantly here. 

903
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,120
So I I have a I'm going to guess
that his role has been expanded 

904
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:10,680
a little bit, if not more than a
little bit. 

905
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:16,080
Henry Ashton is Daron Targaryen,
the dreamer, Daron the drunkard.

906
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,720
Ashton Ashford. 
Yeah, right. 

907
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:19,520
That's close. 
Right. 

908
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,360
We've talked before about Sam 
Spruell, who was make our 

909
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,200
Targaryen. 
That is one of the most exciting

910
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:31,480
castings that we've seen here. 
He was in the most recent season

911
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,160
of Fargo. 
Good Lord, he was good. 

912
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:38,040
He stole every scene he was in. 
And I'm looking forward to him 

913
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,960
being Makar, a very different 
character than the character he 

914
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:45,400
played in Fargo, but he really 
just nailed it, so that's 

915
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,080
exciting. 
I think he'll be one of those 

916
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,280
stand outs of the whole season 
to me. 

917
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,240
Yeah. 
I'm I'm kind of expecting that 

918
00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:55,320
with with it's a little maybe 
it's a little premature, but I 

919
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:59,560
am expecting it. 
We have Bertie Carvel as Baylor 

920
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:00,960
break spear. 
That's exciting. 

921
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,920
Baylor, I feel like they're 
going to is really going to 

922
00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:08,000
captivate audiences. 
He's he's I mean, he is the 

923
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,160
princely version of Dunk 
himself. 

924
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:17,440
He's a true knight of that came 
from wealth and privilege. 

925
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:23,840
So it's almost like get taken 
Sir Arlen's quote that hedge 

926
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,600
Knights are the truest of all 
because they're they're less 

927
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,480
distracted by the wealth and 
status and privilege they 

928
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:35,440
weren't brought up to. 
As Dunk says to Makar, Aryan 

929
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:40,640
never had a cut of beef that 
wasn't bloody and rare, and 

930
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:45,160
Deron never slept in ditches. 
So I think this is a super 

931
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,440
important character. 
He's a good Targaryen. 

932
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:52,680
Like unabashedly good, which is 
who other who else is like that?

933
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,720
I mean, even Danny has some 
darkness with her, right? 

934
00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:59,240
She's at least controversial. 
She is good overall, but you 

935
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,520
know, there's there's other 
stuff going on. 

936
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,080
It's it's less straightforward 
than bail or break spear. 

937
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,000
I think it was just a, you know,
he's able to stand out. 

938
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,280
He's a war hero. 
He's in line to be the, the, 

939
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,200
the, the king. 
He's already the hand. 

940
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:13,760
He's beloved. 
He's considered the best knight 

941
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,360
of his age. 
I mean, yeah, just shining star.

942
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,360
I think we're all going to love 
him, OK? 

943
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,520
I think we are. 
I think Brody Carmel's going to 

944
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,560
do great. 
This is the one character, the 

945
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,000
one role that I'm personally 
disappointed with the casting 

946
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:26,840
in. 
Yeah, he's not half Dornish. 

947
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,440
He's just not visibly Dornish to
me. 

948
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,960
And maybe they play it up in 
some way, but I think it's a 

949
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:35,800
miss. 
But I still think we're going to

950
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:36,720
love him. 
I'm going to cry. 

951
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:41,000
I think he's going to be great. 
However, missed shot. 

952
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:46,360
Do you think they're going to do
the Rainies thing where they 

953
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,440
don't give? 
They took away her Baratheon 

954
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,920
colored hair to not confuse the 
less educated audiences. 

955
00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:54,080
Maybe they took away the silver 
hair. 

956
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,360
Maybe they'll give him Targaryen
hair to Soap. 

957
00:49:56,720 --> 00:49:58,800
They don't have to because they 
can have him dressed up and 

958
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,200
Targaryen gear and everything, 
but they don't do the purple 

959
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:03,840
eyes. 
They're not going to start doing

960
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,560
that suddenly. 
So there's there's just one less

961
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:09,360
sign that makes them, there's 
one less feature that makes them

962
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,880
look Targaryen. 
Yeah, and so that's maybe why 

963
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:13,760
they could have done it. 
But all the more reason to make 

964
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,320
him look half Dornish with 
silver hair, because people 

965
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:18,640
would still be like, oh, he's 
darker skin. 

966
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,440
Like there's if they're going to
do that, I think they maybe they

967
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:26,160
just get rid of that that issue,
that conflict entirely. 

968
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,240
I don't know that it's really 
that necessary to the Knight of 

969
00:50:29,240 --> 00:50:32,240
the Seven Kingdoms to the Dunkin
Egg saga. 

970
00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:36,080
It really, but I would be 
disappointed if it was gone. 

971
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,800
Maybe they'll do the Valor thing
where he has a streak of silver.

972
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,600
That would be cool. 
I like that because that's 

973
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,480
pretty like distinct or like the
Dark Star thing too. 

974
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,040
But like, Dark Star obviously is
a much different character, but 

975
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,840
Baylor's own son has this. 
So that could be a way to maybe 

976
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:54,120
they could have all of that 
branch have hair like that, you 

977
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,120
know, that's where it's mixed or
something like that. 

978
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,080
Christina Kay says, I think they
could open the show with Arlen 

979
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,600
telling the last dragon story to
set the scene for there not 

980
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,440
being Dragons in the series. 
That's a very good point because

981
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:11,240
again, we have to put on our new
audience cap to to think about 

982
00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:16,680
what they're going to do to make
sure the less deep in the fandom

983
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,120
audience members understand 
what's going on. 

984
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,920
We're all deep in this fandom. 
We know so much about it. 

985
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,440
We're all excited about these 
hidden details, the Easter eggs.

986
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,600
But we got to back up every once
in awhile and think about if 

987
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,120
we're going to be realistic, we 
got to be like, yeah, they're 

988
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,280
definitely going to make sure 
these things are clear. 

989
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:34,920
We got to make sure that the 
audience is taking into account 

990
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,880
when we're making predictions. 
Dom Tartaglia, shout out the 

991
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:41,920
Folk Wise channel over on 
Twitch. 

992
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,480
Folk Wise, great show. 
Also under the post rider strike

993
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,600
rules, you have to renegotiate 
with your riders after three 

994
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,640
seasons. 
That's a good point. 

995
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:54,520
So they would be able to do 
three seasons of Duncan Egg 

996
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,320
without having to renegotiate 
and say hey, well, yeah, we 

997
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,720
don't have any more material. 
Yeah, we have to stop now like, 

998
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:06,200
oh how convenient. 
Yeah, so we'll see what that 

999
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:10,040
that's, it's a, it's a bit of 
cynical realism there, I think. 

1000
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:15,360
In other words, I fully agree. 
Also, Dom says Bertie was Missus

1001
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:19,120
Trunchbull in the Matilda 
musical and was iconic Miss 

1002
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:20,800
Trunchbull. 
Yes. 

1003
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:22,920
So Bertie was a playing a woman,
eh? 

1004
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:24,720
Have you seen? 
That's a really good. 

1005
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:25,840
Movie. 
I don't know anything about 

1006
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:26,920
this. 
I don't know this character or 

1007
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,560
this musical. 
After the stream, I'm going to 

1008
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,920
look up Miss Trunchbull for you 
so you can see what she looks 

1009
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,600
like. 
OK, Matilda movie has Danny 

1010
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,640
DeVito by the way, and is he's 
heavily involved and there's a 

1011
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:38,960
lot. 
I'll tell you more about this 

1012
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,320
after the show, but it's 
interesting tale. 

1013
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:50,400
OK, if you are available and 
wanting to travel with us, reach

1014
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,960
out to us and let us know 
because we are planning a group 

1015
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,640
trip maybe to England, northern 
Spain, maybe Ireland. 

1016
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,120
It's probably those are the in 
that order are probably the most

1017
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:04,320
likely destinations were still 
in the discovery phase, but it's

1018
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:08,040
going to be sometime April, May.
So right after nine of the seven

1019
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:09,760
kingdoms and right before House 
of the dragon. 

1020
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,160
So great timing, right right 
between the two seasons, right 

1021
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,520
at the hype, the maximum hype 
point. 

1022
00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:19,720
And we have so much fun. 
You, you all have probably seen 

1023
00:53:19,720 --> 00:53:23,600
our social media, us traveling 
to these different places and 

1024
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,880
having so much fun taking 
pictures and reliving some of 

1025
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:30,080
these scenes and just exploring 
new countries. 

1026
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:35,000
So if you are interested and 
have the means, contact us and 

1027
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,040
we'll give you more information.
We're still working through some

1028
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:38,120
of it. 
And like I said, it's still 

1029
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:39,760
several months away, more than 
six months away. 

1030
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:41,600
So if we get enough people, 
we're going to do it. 

1031
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,160
If we don't, then we just won't.
But hopefully enough of y'all 

1032
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:48,000
want to do it and hang out with 
us in a group of maybe 10 to 20 

1033
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,800
folks. 
Not a big group, but enough to 

1034
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,040
have a meet some new people and 
have have fun and group 

1035
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,320
experiences. 
And yeah, let us know if you're 

1036
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,480
interested and we'll we'll 
continue to nail down more 

1037
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,600
details about it. 
Also, make sure you catch my 

1038
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:06,120
Twitch streams on every Friday 
at 6:00 Eastern. 

1039
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,080
We are getting close to the end 
of our Osgrey stream. 

1040
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaking of Dunkin Egg, House 
Osgrey, we took House Osgrey 

1041
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,080
from a small power at the 
beginning of the Century of 

1042
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:22,000
Blood to King of the Reach and 
with and we've subjugated the 

1043
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,520
West. 
Even so, the Casterly Rock is 

1044
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:28,920
dependent on us as a vassal of 
ours and we are King of the 

1045
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:30,200
Reach. 
So that's pretty fun. 

1046
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,000
We've been playing that for 
several weeks every every Friday

1047
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:34,960
on Twitch. 
And when you the way the game 

1048
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:36,960
works is when you die, you take 
over as your heir. 

1049
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,400
So it's very dynastic. 
Each character has all sorts of 

1050
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,720
different personality traits. 
It's very detailed, very, very 

1051
00:54:43,720 --> 00:54:46,040
deep, complicated game. 
Very fun to watch and to 

1052
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:50,800
interact with fellow W Dorians 
during Let's Talk about House of

1053
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:55,680
the Dragon Season 3. 
They said just outside the Emmy 

1054
00:54:55,680 --> 00:55:00,080
window, which means June because
the Emmy window is May or early 

1055
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:01,920
June. 
So but maybe July. 

1056
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:07,480
So just outside the Emmy window,
they could mean July, but it's 

1057
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,800
very unlikely to be August 
because that would be well 

1058
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:13,000
outside the Emmy window. 
So again, that's pretty 

1059
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,720
interesting, right? 
We'll have a show in January and

1060
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,560
another one in June and it's 
really the end of January. 

1061
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,840
It's more like basically the 
beginning of February and June, 

1062
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:23,920
maybe the middle of June ish 
because we've had the middle of 

1063
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,600
June before. 
House of Dragons season 2 was 

1064
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,160
June 16th if I recall correctly.
Certainly mid June. 

1065
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,200
So it sounds like we're about to
do a very similar start time. 

1066
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,960
Now. 
We've heard that they're doing 

1067
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,080
an experimental episode this 
season. 

1068
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,640
I have no idea what that means. 
The the guesses could be all 

1069
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:43,720
over the place for this. 
Who knows what that means. 

1070
00:55:43,720 --> 00:55:47,360
Experimental episode. 
It could mean of strange POV, 

1071
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:51,880
like we're seeing things from 
the POV of a a dragon or a 

1072
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,200
common person or some other 
animal. 

1073
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:55,280
I don't know. 
Some. 

1074
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:56,840
Other animal, I mean like a 
dragon animal. 

1075
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:58,720
Sorry, common. 
That came out so badly. 

1076
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:02,560
You common people are animals. 
Yes, I'm a common person. 

1077
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,040
So. 
Right now you do not look like. 

1078
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,400
AI do not I look like a 
Targaryen Yes it's true a she 

1079
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,800
ATV show Targaryen making. 
You so uppity. 

1080
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,440
Yeah, it's right there. 
It's going to my head. 

1081
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:16,840
Hair is supposed to go to your 
head. 

1082
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,920
I've seen Nate Sleeper in the 
chat, says musical episode. 

1083
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,600
I was going to say make that 
same joke a musical episode like

1084
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,520
Dan Damon just dancing in the 
Matt Smith. 

1085
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:27,960
He's got the chops for that 
right. 

1086
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:31,800
Can you can you get Alison Hart?
Can you get Amon dancing and 

1087
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:33,440
singing? 
You know, like that would just 

1088
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,720
ruin that character. 
Having him dancing around and 

1089
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,320
tap dancing, tap dancing Aimond,
even better. 

1090
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:43,440
Tap dancing Veigar, Aimon, tap 
dancing on Veigar, like on 

1091
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:45,840
Veigar's head. 
Just they, they do. 

1092
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,760
Yeah. 
Anyway, try not to think about 

1093
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,480
that too much. 
So there's that's just a 

1094
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,360
bajillion possibilities. 
They have no idea what that's 

1095
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,440
going to mean, but curious to 
know. 

1096
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:55,560
We'll see. 
We'll see what happens. 

1097
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,360
New characters of note, shout 
out Radanian Intelligence. 

1098
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:01,800
Great source of information 
there. 

1099
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:06,520
They've pretty much risen to be 
#1 these days with such things, 

1100
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:11,240
show rumors and set notes and 
just things like that. 

1101
00:57:11,720 --> 00:57:14,800
Radanian, you're doing great. 
By the way, that's a Witcher 

1102
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,520
reference for Danian. 
Intelligence is the intelligence

1103
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,600
service of. 
Wait, what nation? 

1104
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:20,800
It doesn't matter. 
I forget. 

1105
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:22,960
I'm forgetting my Witcher lore 
right now. 

1106
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,800
Anyway. 
New characters that have been 

1107
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,840
cast. 
Charlie Gordon is Deron. 

1108
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,560
Wait, which Deron? 
We just had a Deron and Deron 

1109
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:35,240
the Drunkard. 
Now this is Deron the Daring, 

1110
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,560
not Deron the Drunkard. 
Rider of Tessarian. 

1111
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,040
We saw Tessarian at the end of 
season 2. 

1112
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,080
You could barely make out a 
rider on his back. 

1113
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:44,680
That was probably just some 
rando. 

1114
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,480
And now we have an actual actor 
cast. 

1115
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:49,640
I wonder if they'll do the same 
thing here. 

1116
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,040
Will Deron have, will he look 
really Targaryen? 

1117
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,240
Well, is that it's less 
necessary when you have a dragon

1118
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,400
to ride to, to look Targaryen. 
It's like, OK, well, that's a 

1119
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:57,800
Targaryen. 
They're riding a dragon, but 

1120
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,200
obviously ahead, and I can't do 
that. 

1121
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,840
No Dragons. 
James Norton is Lord Ormond 

1122
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:04,400
Hightower. 
That's cool. 

1123
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,960
Ormond. 
We know he's part of the he 

1124
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:12,280
leads the Reach forces to 
Tumbleton, so that's crucial. 

1125
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,680
We don't see a Brendan Hightower
cast. 

1126
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:17,320
They may not have bothered with 
him. 

1127
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,600
Brendan's the one who gets his 
arm chopped off by Roddy the 

1128
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:21,960
Ruin before Roddy also kills 
Ormond. 

1129
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,960
So that law of conservation of 
characters, they probably are 

1130
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:28,920
just making Lord Ormond and Lord
and Sir Brendan 1 character. 

1131
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:35,080
And we do have Adam Brown, who 
is Lord Glendon Footley. 

1132
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,680
And if you don't remember who 
Footley is, well, that's the 

1133
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:39,120
Lord of Tumbleton. 
So there you go. 

1134
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,600
Adam Brown was Ori in The Hobbit
films, one of the one of the 

1135
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:44,960
dwarfs. 
We already mentioned Annie 

1136
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,200
Shapiro as Black Allie Blackwood
because of her real life 

1137
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:51,560
friendship with Tanzel or Tanzan
Crawford. 

1138
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:53,840
Well, yes, Tanzel, also. 
Can I say, do you remember a 

1139
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,680
dragon con? 
I took a picture of our black 

1140
00:58:56,680 --> 00:59:00,480
alley with Hannah. 
A game of owns is Tansel making 

1141
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,440
that pairing weirdly real to 
life. 

1142
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,200
That's really cool. 
But also, Deadline said that 

1143
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,680
Black Alley Annie Shapiro will 
appear in five of the 8 

1144
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,320
episodes, despite not being a 
series regular. 

1145
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,320
And there's a photo of her and I
think she looks great. 

1146
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:22,240
Yeah, we have Tommy, Tommy 
Flanagan or Flanagan, probably 

1147
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,320
Flanagan as Lord Roderick 
Dustin. 

1148
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:28,440
So we do get Roddy the Ruin. 
So they didn't combine him with 

1149
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:29,760
Kragen. 
That's good. 

1150
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,280
I didn't want them to do that. 
I did worry about that. 

1151
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,000
But I'm glad we get an actual 
Roderick Dustin. 

1152
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:39,960
Dan Fogler is Sir Toren 
Manderley, so they probably did 

1153
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,400
do the law of conservation of 
characters here 'cause they're 

1154
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:46,800
supposed to be Toren and Med 
Medrick Med. 

1155
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,880
Yeah, his brother. 
Dan Fogler, too. 

1156
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:51,880
Oh, you know Dan Fogler. 
Yeah, Dan Fogler. 

1157
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,280
Well, one, I knew him from back 
in the day, from the movie 

1158
00:59:55,280 --> 01:00:00,240
Fanboys, which is kind of a 
raunchy, nerdy, like sex comedy.

1159
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:01,440
I don't know. 
I really love that movie, 

1160
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,400
though. 
He's also in Balls of Fury, 

1161
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:07,280
which is a funny movie, and he 
was in the Fantastic Beasts 

1162
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,160
franchise. 
So you know him because you saw 

1163
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:11,800
the first Fantastic Beasts and 
then we stopped. 

1164
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,440
But you did tell he was in that 
as the lead. 

1165
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:16,400
Right on. 
So that's cool. 

1166
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:17,320
Yeah, I'm looking forward to 
that. 

1167
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:20,440
We have Tom Cullen as Sir Luther
Largent now. 

1168
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,120
Tom Cullen's an intimidating 
looking guy. 

1169
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,560
Luther Largent is supposed to be
an intimidating looking guy. 

1170
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,960
He probably isn't a 7 foot tall 
actor like Luther Largent is 

1171
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:32,000
almost in in Canon. 
But hey, these super tall guys 

1172
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,080
use, it's hard to match them in 
height in the real world, like 

1173
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:38,600
Greg or Clegane, for example. 
So Tom Collin was in Downton 

1174
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:40,760
Abbey and Nightfall. 
He was head of major role in the

1175
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,360
show Nightfall. 
So he's got experience with, you

1176
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:44,960
know, horses and armor and all 
that. 

1177
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:48,760
So, and Sir Luther Largent is, 
is probably going to ride a 

1178
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:50,880
horse or maybe he'll just walk 
around King's Landing. 

1179
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:56,120
But so he's the he's one of the 
leaders of the gold Cloaks in or

1180
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,600
the the Lord Commander of the 
Gold Cloaks at a certain point. 

1181
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:02,880
So that's important. 
Joplin Sibtane, which is 

1182
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:06,840
definitely the coolest name out 
of all these is Sir John Roxton 

1183
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:10,840
Bold Sir John Roxton. 
So he's a wielder of orphan 

1184
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:15,320
maker and a very well his bold 
is right for him. 

1185
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:19,120
He's also kind of a a bad dude, 
not a good man. 

1186
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:25,360
We have Barry Sloan as Sir 
Ardrian Red Fort and that's one 

1187
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:31,000
of the Rainiers Kingsguard, one 
of the later joining, so not 

1188
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,400
currently one of her Queens 
guard, one of the ones that 

1189
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,760
joins after she takes King's 
Landing. 

1190
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,800
She gets a she, you know, 
refills her Kingsguard out at 

1191
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,320
that point in the book. 
So presumably that's going to 

1192
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:46,720
happen in the show as well. 
So with Dunkin Egg less than 80 

1193
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,120
years after the dance and Sir 
Arlen having seen the last 

1194
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:51,960
dragon, lot of opportunities for
correct connections. 

1195
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:53,840
We touched on this briefly 
earlier. 

1196
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:54,920
Let's get into it a little 
deeper. 

1197
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,360
I don't know there's been 
anything too major, but maybe 

1198
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,800
there is, you know, like name 
drops are a guarantee 

1199
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:02,120
differently. 
Some references here and there, 

1200
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:06,160
Easter eggs, eggs, Easter eggs, 
get it, Easter egg ONS. 

1201
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,520
Lots of different opportunities 
for him to talk about Targaryen 

1202
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:14,440
family history and maybe some 
other things they could mention 

1203
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,680
their ancestors like other 
Aegon's could come up like Aegon

1204
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,240
the Unworthy in particular, 
since he's the most recent Aegon

1205
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:24,240
to sit the throne during this 
timeline and he's the reason for

1206
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:26,880
the Black Fire rebellions. 
Aegon the Unworthy, There's a 

1207
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:30,520
lot of reason to talk about him,
but also Baylor the blessed 

1208
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:34,880
Daron the first because of, you 
know, the Baylor's peace 

1209
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,360
efforts, Daron's war efforts 
before that. 

1210
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:41,840
Now, what's what I don't know 
that they'll do is talk too much

1211
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:45,920
about Damon and Raniera and 
Aegon the Second and Amon and 

1212
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,160
all that, because then it would 
be it might be spoilery to just 

1213
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:52,760
discuss those to say if they 
reveal that Egg is a descendant 

1214
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,200
of Damon and Rainier. 
Well, that kind of isn't that 

1215
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:56,680
kind of telling. 
I don't know if they want to do 

1216
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,200
that. 
Obviously it's easy to look that

1217
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,040
up and know it. 
But you know, for the for the 

1218
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,040
generic show audience, I don't 
know if they want to go there. 

1219
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:08,800
One prediction that I would bet 
a lot on a lot is that Baylor 

1220
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:14,840
Break Spear will have the dagger
when he shows up to adjudicate 

1221
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,160
and watch the tournament. 
He's going to have it on his 

1222
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,240
belt. 
I would bet so much money that 

1223
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:23,320
he's going to have that dagger 
because Deron, King Deron won't 

1224
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,120
appear. 
He probably won't appear in any 

1225
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:27,200
of them because he's going to 
die of the grand Spring sickness

1226
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:30,440
between the 1st 2 novellas and 
he doesn't have any. 

1227
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:34,000
He doesn't go to the tournament.
So we'll probably never see him 

1228
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,680
on screen so, but we will 
certainly see Baylor. 

1229
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:40,560
He's been cast. 
So yeah, that dagger, I would be

1230
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:41,920
so surprised if he doesn't have 
it. 

1231
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,480
So that's let me check to see if
any of y'all have some questions

1232
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:49,560
related to that. 
Here's one from S itazin games. 

1233
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,480
Gerald White Bull Hightower. 
I think his hair is white slash 

1234
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:54,840
silver as his hair color is 
never mentioned and most 

1235
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:56,560
nicknames stick before any 
appointment. 

1236
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:58,920
Hightowers may have had some 
Valyrian ancestors. 

1237
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:01,520
Yeah, there's a nice running 
theory that because the 

1238
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:04,640
Hightowers are so, so, so 
ancient that they could be 

1239
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:08,720
connected to, if not the 
Targaryens, that another 

1240
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:12,000
Valyrian family or the great 
Empire, the Dawn. 

1241
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:17,480
There's not a lot of examples of
Hightower hair color. 

1242
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:20,440
And in in a case like this, I 
don't know if we can take the 

1243
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,840
White Bull to mean a hair color,
then we could. 

1244
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:26,280
But he's in he's a Kingsguard, 
he's in white. 

1245
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:28,840
So that that could be why they 
call him the White Bull. 

1246
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:31,520
Maybe he was just the Bull and 
then when he became a 

1247
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:32,960
Kingsguard, they called him the 
white Bull. 

1248
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:36,080
But I think it's a good point to
consider what a Tasman Games is 

1249
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:39,040
saying here, because most of the
time you have a nickname 

1250
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:43,440
beforehand. 
Like you prove yourself and then

1251
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,920
you get invited into the 
Kingsguard, not after. 

1252
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,600
Like Barrison was Barrison the 
Bold long before he was in the 

1253
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,440
Kingsguard. 
Jamie was Kingslayer after. 

1254
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:53,920
But that's, you know, that's not
an that's not, that's an 

1255
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,560
insulting nickname. 
That's not, that's not. 

1256
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:59,080
Also, he was just so darn young.
So he's a little bit different 

1257
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:01,800
that way. 
So yeah, so that's tricky. 

1258
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:06,320
I do think it's possible though.
I, I wonder if they will explore

1259
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:09,160
any of that with Ormond. 
Some of the others, who knows? 

1260
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:10,840
But I'm always curious what 
they're going to do with the 

1261
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:12,480
hair colors. 
Obviously Allison's red haired. 

1262
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:14,640
So they didn't, they didn't go 
go that way with her. 

1263
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:16,920
And that's a smart thing because
they don't want to confuse the 

1264
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:18,760
audience is to think, oh, is she
Targaryen too? 

1265
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:20,880
You know, so I can see, I don't 
think they'll do that on the 

1266
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:23,440
show, but that doesn't mean the 
connection isn't there. 

1267
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:26,600
And the books, for example, a 
lot of people thought that's why

1268
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:30,600
Jaheris got Allison confused, 
you know, because they she would

1269
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:32,840
have had silver hair. 
So there is evidence in the 

1270
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:36,240
books that she might have had 
blonde or silver hair. 

1271
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:37,640
Very true. 
Yeah, that's very true. 

1272
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:39,600
And if you don't know what 
anecdote or Shea is referring 

1273
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:44,600
to, when Jaheris, the old king 
was dying, he Allison was 

1274
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:47,440
helping take care of him and she
multiple, he apparently multiple

1275
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:50,880
times mistook her for his 
missing daughter, which yeah, 

1276
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:52,920
why would he do that if she has 
brown hair, you know? 

1277
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:54,880
He could. 
He's senile also. 

1278
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:57,440
Yeah, it's it's possible. 
It's definitely possible. 

1279
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:00,000
And she could have blonde hair, 
but not silver. 

1280
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:01,640
And she doesn't have purple 
eyes, you know. 

1281
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:02,400
Yeah, that's true. 
Too. 

1282
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,440
But yeah, she could have light 
colored hair and not like she 

1283
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,480
probably didn't have red or 
brown hair in my guess, but you 

1284
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:11,680
know, yeah. 
Let's talk about Dragon Com. 

1285
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:13,400
We've got a lot of photos. 
This is really cool. 

1286
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:15,240
Yeah, I just accidentally 
skipped that in the document 

1287
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:17,040
here. 
It's funny because it starts 

1288
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:20,200
with the comment, the hugeness 
of it all, yet I somehow skipped

1289
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:21,480
it. 
How did I skip the hugeness of 

1290
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:22,680
it all? 
I don't know what's wrong with 

1291
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:24,640
me. 
But yeah, Dragon Con's a lot of 

1292
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:26,240
fun. 
Every year it's Labor Day 

1293
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:28,120
weekend. 
I've been going since the 90s. 

1294
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:31,320
It's here in Atlanta. 
So it's it's always been close 

1295
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:34,080
by. 
It's really easy to attend and 

1296
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:37,480
we have press passes these days,
so we don't even, we don't even 

1297
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,480
pay to go anymore. 
But shout out to Dragon Con for 

1298
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:42,720
keeping their ticket prices low.
I got to, I definitely 

1299
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:44,840
appreciate that. 
Even though we're not paying for

1300
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:48,640
it anymore, I think that's worth
shouting out because so many 

1301
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,240
things in this world have gotten
so much more expensive. 

1302
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,720
Just in Atlanta alone, the 
parking for Dragon Con has just 

1303
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:56,800
shot up. 
Every year it goes up and it's 

1304
01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:00,360
like again, it got it went up. 
But Dragon Con itself very 

1305
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,960
affordable surprisingly for it's
like $160.00 for a five day 

1306
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:05,520
pass. 
What? 

1307
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:09,640
I think it's 110 or 115 if you 
buy it ahead of time like now. 

1308
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:14,120
That is unparalleled value for a
convention in 20/25/2020 as 

1309
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:17,800
well. 2026 by the time it rolls.
Around Comic Con's like 280 for 

1310
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:21,520
the weekend. 
Yeah, and the the last kind of 

1311
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:25,000
Thrones on that didn't actually 
happen raised its prices to like

1312
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:28,320
600 or some crazy thing like 
that, which is just no wonder 

1313
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:29,120
that got cancelled. 
I. 

1314
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:32,680
Was like their VIP that wasn't 
their base price. 

1315
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:34,960
I think it might have been, it 
went way up. 

1316
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:36,960
Maybe I'm maybe I'm remembering 
Ron. 

1317
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:40,640
I thought I thought it was I 
could be, I could be remembering

1318
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:42,200
Ron. 
But I know I do recall the base 

1319
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:44,120
price going way up. 
Maybe it wasn't 600, but it went

1320
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:45,880
up a lot. 
It was it may have I feel like 

1321
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:48,960
it at least doubled. 
Anyway, it was not cost 

1322
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:51,840
effective. 
So yeah, let's start with the 

1323
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:53,920
world of Ice and fire. 
Shoot, that's the main ticket 

1324
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:56,080
here for y'all in terms of 
Dragon Con, because Dragon Con 

1325
01:07:56,080 --> 01:08:01,240
is a multi fandom sci-fi fantasy
anime. 

1326
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:08,520
Everything you can name it is 
just a festival of cosplay and 

1327
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:14,040
love for various fandoms, for 
imagined mash ups, everything. 

1328
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:16,640
It's just a a host of 
creativity. 

1329
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:21,960
It's amazing. 
It's gotten so big that I think 

1330
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:24,200
you have a photo of of Wednesday
night. 

1331
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:29,600
Do we have a photo of that now, 
the Wednesday, just in one hotel

1332
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:33,439
looking down from the first 
floor on the atrium area where 

1333
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:35,640
there's all the fans are 
gathering. 

1334
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:38,520
Dragon Con doesn't even start on
Wednesday. 

1335
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:41,560
It starts on Thursday. 
But I swear there were more 

1336
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:46,520
people on Wednesday before the 
con started partying as if it 

1337
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:48,960
already had, already wearing 
costumes, already hanging out, 

1338
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:52,520
already doing all these things. 
Then most conventions have at 

1339
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:55,520
their peak. 
There's it's just it's really 

1340
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:59,520
something it's it's really grown
into its its own thing. 

1341
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:02,560
You know, it's very it's it's 
like a customized experience 

1342
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:05,479
that's just made for geeks and 
nerds like us. 

1343
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:09,319
So you shout out to Britt and 
Emma for hosting the world of 

1344
01:09:09,319 --> 01:09:13,279
ice and fire shoot again. 
They do it every year and it's 

1345
01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:16,920
always so much fun. 
It takes place on Saturday at 5.

1346
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:18,520
I believe that's when it's going
to or 430. 

1347
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:21,640
I believe that's the, we've had 
that spot locked in for several 

1348
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:23,000
years now. 
I believe that's when it'll be 

1349
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:26,120
next year. 
We had a really great mix of 

1350
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:30,560
returning cosplayers who did a 
similar costume as last year or 

1351
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,160
like a classic look that they've
that they love to do every year 

1352
01:09:33,279 --> 01:09:35,920
and a bunch of new ones that we 
hadn't seen before. 

1353
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:38,800
Some new ideas, some characters,
people just hadn't been there 

1354
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:42,680
before. 
For example, a Shaya mentioned 

1355
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:46,439
it earlier, Zach and Hannah as 
Darren the drunken in Tanzel too

1356
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:48,120
tall. 
That's our game of owns friends.

1357
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:50,720
They dressed up as characters 
that you never see. 

1358
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:54,720
I had never seen either of those
characters before in cosplay and

1359
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:56,280
we got them both. 
That was great. 

1360
01:09:57,440 --> 01:10:01,800
Let's Shay, of course, ran back 
the awesome Muppet Tulley's 

1361
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:04,080
cosplay. 
I believe she's got that on 

1362
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:05,480
screen or we'll have it in a 
second. 

1363
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:08,920
It's super cool. 
Shout out to Chuck Lazaral for 

1364
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:13,200
making these and he built these 
himself and it's not so easy to 

1365
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:14,600
walk around and that is it a 
shaya? 

1366
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:22,080
No, I'm very encumbered in fact.
And I thankfully had Dom as 

1367
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:26,840
Damon and he was pajamas Damon 
and he was able to handle the 

1368
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:31,600
DSLR because I really cannot. 
I take photos with those hands, 

1369
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:33,920
with the Oscar hands. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1370
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:35,880
I can't. 
But so he took all these 

1371
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:40,920
wonderful DSLR picks for me. 
Very grateful to him for that. 

1372
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:44,000
Hopeful that next year we aren't
Muppet Tully. 

1373
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:47,120
So I'm less encumbered, but I 
love being it. 

1374
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:50,760
I would never not heed the call.
I would never not heed the call 

1375
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:53,200
because, I mean, I also 
couldn't. 

1376
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:57,720
Like we had Tommy Pappas as our 
Grover this year and and. 

1377
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:00,080
Michael G is our as coming back 
as Elmo. 

1378
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:02,600
Yes, exactly. 
So, yeah, we had our our group 

1379
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:03,280
of us. 
Yeah. 

1380
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:07,080
I, I love being Oscar. 
You do have to wear like a fan 

1381
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:09,440
inside your suit. 
Though, and people's reactions 

1382
01:11:09,440 --> 01:11:10,800
are always so fun to see. 
People. 

1383
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:12,720
It's educational. 
It's educational. 

1384
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:15,000
That's right, The Muppets are 
always educational. 

1385
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:20,360
Shaya also loved this closeted 
Housewives of Westeros. 

1386
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:24,240
Allison with her kids and 
vacation fits this I tell. 

1387
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:26,320
What was I saying about the 
creativity here? 

1388
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:28,480
Y'all? 
This is just so fun and and 

1389
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:31,000
imaginative and hilarious all at
the same time. 

1390
01:11:31,480 --> 01:11:35,400
Yeah, they're all in. 
You know, their Hawaiian print 

1391
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:39,040
shirts and whatnot and casual 
clothes. 

1392
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:41,000
I saw them just walking around, 
not at the shoot. 

1393
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:43,880
Oh, right on. 
And we have this Aegon the 

1394
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,480
Magnanimous you got. 
That was the name they gave. 

1395
01:11:46,480 --> 01:11:49,280
I didn't know about that name. 
You didn't. 

1396
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:52,640
See this, this this Aegon the 
second had magnanimous. 

1397
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,960
I'm trying to find the photo 
written on their ass like juicy,

1398
01:11:56,440 --> 01:11:59,080
like juicy pants. 
You know, they had a full 

1399
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:03,080
tracksuit and Aegon like a 
greens theme tracksuit and they 

1400
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:06,760
wrote magnanimous and they had 
like a those deal with it 

1401
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:09,720
sunglasses. 
I have a picture of me as Oscar 

1402
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:11,640
with Aegon. 
I'm going back and forth. 

1403
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:15,000
But no, I just thought this was 
really really really funny and I

1404
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:20,480
kind of want to do some kind of 
of of tracksuit type hot hot D 

1405
01:12:20,480 --> 01:12:24,200
cosplay now because I found it 
very inspiring and funny. 

1406
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:27,160
Heck yeah. 
Shout out to Kathy like a 

1407
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:32,080
Looking Glass cosplay. 
She did a fantastic Chapel roan 

1408
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:35,880
of Arc mixed up with Targaryen 
accoutrement and it looks 

1409
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:40,240
fantastic. 
A lot of Chapel roan mash ups 

1410
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:43,160
are just Chapel roan straight up
at Dragon Con this year. 

1411
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:46,760
She's got such long. 
Hair. 

1412
01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:49,520
This is specifically Chapel 
Roan's look for I guess the 

1413
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:51,040
VMAs. 
That she did OK. 

1414
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:54,680
Just to be clear, like I guess 
like she was inspired by Joan of

1415
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:57,720
Arc, like Chapel Roan originally
was inspired by that. 

1416
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:01,680
Oh, OK. 
But Kathy is doing a a great 

1417
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:06,760
rendition of her VM as look, 
specifically with the Targaryen 

1418
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:09,040
wig to be like a rain. 
I think she's meant to be like a

1419
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:10,560
rainy smash up. 
Right on. 

1420
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:12,080
Yeah, definitely. 
You can see the Rainy's vibe 

1421
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:15,160
there for sure. 
Great job, Kathy, and of course,

1422
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:17,200
you can just see from these some
of these group shots that Ache 

1423
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:20,040
has put up. 
There's just so many cosplayers 

1424
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:23,200
here, which is great. 
We love to see how many people 

1425
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:26,080
are participating and how many 
people love to dress up as the 

1426
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:27,720
House of the Dragon or Game of 
Thrones character. 

1427
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:32,520
Lots of Rainieras, lots of 
Damons, both those obscure 

1428
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:34,680
characters and popular 
characters. 

1429
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:37,280
We'd love to see the mix. 
There's a Grey Worm, there was a

1430
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:41,760
gender flip Masande, there was 
what I'm forgetting. 

1431
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:42,920
There's a lot of other good 
ones. 

1432
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:45,120
There was a Hodor that was 
amazing. 

1433
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:48,520
He was as tall and big as Hodor 
and had the perfect outfit and 

1434
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:50,320
was in character and everything 
there's. 

1435
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:53,520
I saw him walking around 
elsewhere, not as Hodor. 

1436
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:55,480
And I was like, that guy is 
Hodor. 

1437
01:13:55,480 --> 01:13:57,000
And then I saw him at the, you 
know. 

1438
01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:00,920
And he really was. 
He's like, yeah, there were some

1439
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:04,040
great Jon Snows. 
There's always some great 

1440
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:07,560
Tormans. 
There's a really good a grit 

1441
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:09,560
there was. 
I'm trying to think once they 

1442
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:12,200
were just one of there's not 
like there's not a lot of those,

1443
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:15,120
I guess, but they're definitely 
quite, but not a lot of those 

1444
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:16,880
they can remember. 
There were a lot, but there's 

1445
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:19,600
just so many total. 
I love the Olenna always. 

1446
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:21,840
Yeah, the Olenna. 
Yes, it was. 

1447
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:24,720
Tell them it was me. 
I want them to know it was me. 

1448
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:27,960
Yeah, with the glasses and 
everything, with the like. 

1449
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:31,960
Yeah, I did it. 
Glasses and well, myself. 

1450
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:35,600
I was Damon. 
Earlier in the week I dressed up

1451
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:40,080
as Damon in his court. 
Fit, I guess you could say and. 

1452
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:43,720
You were able to use our forged 
by foam, a Targaryen shield, 

1453
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:46,880
always nice to bust out. 
And then you lynch that to Zach 

1454
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:50,240
the next day for his dare on the
drunken to kind of pull it 

1455
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:53,840
together because he his dare on 
the drunken was him in casual 

1456
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:57,120
clothes with a a sign of of 
alcohol. 

1457
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,440
So, you know, and a shield and 
it works. 

1458
01:14:59,440 --> 01:15:01,960
It I mean it works. 
Every photo he's in, he's 

1459
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:04,600
drinking too. 
He really, he did it just right.

1460
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:10,240
It was really fun. 
So Damon was pretty fun. 

1461
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:14,520
I got to, you know, it's a kind 
of less of a costume and more 

1462
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:18,000
just like kind of being dressed 
up, but in a way that fits the 

1463
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:19,960
convention really well. 
So that was kind of nice. 

1464
01:15:20,480 --> 01:15:23,920
And I kind of ran back like a 
upscale Damon later on Sunday as

1465
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,120
well when we all had a a 
birthday dinner to go to. 

1466
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:28,960
So I kind of just did like if 
Damon was going to a party like 

1467
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:32,200
a red dragon scale shirt and 
still have the purple eyes and 

1468
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:36,920
of course the hair, but Baylor 
was much more of a thing. 

1469
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:41,080
Baylor is a lot harder to 
cosplay, a lot more being in 

1470
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:45,560
character and just kind of more 
fun in that because of that. 

1471
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:49,640
Shout out to our friend Taylor, 
who got my beard silver for it. 

1472
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:51,920
I wasn't, I didn't have a silver
beard most of the days because 

1473
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:55,880
it's a bit of work to do that, 
but I did have the silver beard 

1474
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:58,840
for the day I was Baylor. 
Basically that's just like a 

1475
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:01,760
bathrobe I'm wearing but with a 
rope belt. 

1476
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:04,880
And of course I had the flowers 
in my hair with the vines 

1477
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:07,680
because that's the Baylor's 
crown is a flower and vine crown

1478
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:12,280
and still have the purple eyes 
and had the seven pointed star 

1479
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:15,920
chain there or necklace there. 
I was really more of a choker 

1480
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:21,320
there, but you know, hey, you 
got to suffer, you know, it's 

1481
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:23,320
like wearing a hair shirt or 
something like that. 

1482
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:26,880
Got to be in character. 
I I guess the the most in 

1483
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:30,280
character thing I did well, two 
things I did in character in 

1484
01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:34,000
particular stand out as I walked
around to anytime I saw a Damon 

1485
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:37,240
or Raniera, which of course I 
saw a lot of them at the photo 

1486
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:39,240
shoot, I said, hey, grandma or 
hey, granddad. 

1487
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:42,480
I think of some people were 
confused by that because they 

1488
01:16:42,480 --> 01:16:44,960
don't really know who Baylor the
Blessed is because she hasn't 

1489
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:48,440
been on TV. 
But yeah, it was still fun for 

1490
01:16:48,440 --> 01:16:53,360
me to do that. 
And I didn't wear shoes the 

1491
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:56,920
whole day. 
My Baylor did his walk to Dorn. 

1492
01:16:57,080 --> 01:16:59,680
Hey, I got to do something like 
that. 

1493
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:03,160
I didn't walk to Dorn, but I did
walk through downtown Atlanta at

1494
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:04,880
4:00 in the morning without 
shoes. 

1495
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:08,920
Hate that I wouldn't brag about 
it. 

1496
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:12,320
Am I bragging or just kind of 
explaining? 

1497
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:16,120
Can I say? 
You learn a lot about what's on 

1498
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:18,040
the ground when you walk around 
in barefoot. 

1499
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:20,840
You were the rawest dog, as they
would say. 

1500
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:23,680
In Always Sunny terms, Baylor is
a raw dog. 

1501
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:26,600
I was a raw dog, a raw dragon. 
Yeah, raw dragon. 

1502
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:30,520
So who's the raw dragon here? 
I want to say I also really like

1503
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:37,080
our friend Ash did a Starion 
Targaryen mashup that was pretty

1504
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:40,400
cool. 
I like seeing the mashups and 

1505
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:45,840
John our our friend and listener
John did a grown up rago again 

1506
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:48,120
ran that back. 
I love that Rago cosplay. 

1507
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:50,120
Cool. 
Yeah, Yeah, I like, I like it 

1508
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:53,440
when people get a little 
inventive and speculative with 

1509
01:17:53,440 --> 01:17:55,080
it like that. 
It's pretty fun. 

1510
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:59,240
Oh, and this Helena, this this 
not, sorry, not Helena, this 

1511
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:02,720
Rainier who had a sign that said
crying in High Valyrian. 

1512
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:04,480
I like it when they have a prop 
as well. 

1513
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:08,280
Crying in High Valyrian, What 
does that sound like? 

1514
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:12,640
So really it's just a it's so 
much fun to see everybody's 

1515
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:15,320
creativity. 
We saw a couple good Kristins 

1516
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:16,920
and a Gwain. 
There was a really good 

1517
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:18,240
Christian. 
I did not see the Gwain. 

1518
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:19,800
I saw the Kristen. 
He was really good. 

1519
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:21,960
Christy Cole. 
I have a picture of the Gwain up

1520
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:27,880
now that Gwain we took a picture
of and featured on our show last

1521
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:29,840
year. 
The year before he did Damon in 

1522
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:32,080
armor. 
He took a picture and shared it 

1523
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:34,800
and he had a friend that went 
hey man here on history of 

1524
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:37,840
Westeros. 
So that happens to him again and

1525
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:40,320
now I forget his name 
unfortunately. 

1526
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:43,680
But I love his armor. 
Love to see the greens 

1527
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:46,840
represented. 
And there's also a really good 

1528
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:51,400
Viserys with all the prosthetic 
work, that really cool. 

1529
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:55,080
Yeah, so just, it's just, we 
can't say enough about how fun 

1530
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:58,200
it is to see people's creativity
and their hard work. 

1531
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:02,360
I mean, it's it's hard just to 
nail a show version of a 

1532
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:05,040
character without adding any of 
your own touches. 

1533
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:07,480
That's already just kind of hard
to pull off a lot of times, even

1534
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:09,520
if your character doesn't 
require shoes. 

1535
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:13,000
But it's it's so there's just so
many possibilities. 

1536
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:13,960
You never know what you're going
to see. 

1537
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:17,760
And I'm I'm never not just over 
the moon with with excitement to

1538
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:24,240
see what people come up with. 
OK, let's, let's talk questions 

1539
01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:26,600
here. 
Pulled some questions and from 

1540
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:30,000
recent episodes and a few others
from here and there, maybe a few

1541
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:31,720
of those that you all have asked
Live Today. 

1542
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:34,080
I have these mostly sorted by 
episode. 

1543
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:37,400
So from who knows the song of 
Ice and fire, our most recent 

1544
01:19:37,480 --> 01:19:40,720
episode besides this one and a 
couple of comments there from 

1545
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:44,880
John Rowe, 1547, he says, I feel
the only way to hear the song 

1546
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:47,560
again is from Tom O Sevens, 
maybe as a child in the 

1547
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:49,480
Riverlands. 
And what I'm what's that? 

1548
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:54,400
What that's referring to is the 
question, will Danny hear the 

1549
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:58,080
song that Rhaegar is playing in 
her dream that she hears in the 

1550
01:19:58,080 --> 01:19:59,480
house the undying? 
And the reason that's 

1551
01:19:59,480 --> 01:20:01,520
significant is because she still
hears the music. 

1552
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:03,840
Even after the vision of him 
fades, She's still hearing the 

1553
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:06,320
music and. 
And we wonder if that is 

1554
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:10,280
supposed to be like. 
The Song of Ice and Fire or just

1555
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:12,880
Rhaegar's version of it, 
something that's significant to 

1556
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:16,080
Danny that she could hear later 
and be like, oh, that song. 

1557
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:19,720
So Thomas Evans is a possibility
for someone that might have 

1558
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:22,800
heard it because Rhaegar was 
around the Riverlands. 

1559
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:26,360
He went to he went maybe met the
ghost of High Heart, though that

1560
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:29,160
probably would have been at 
Summer Hall, not the not in the 

1561
01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:31,920
Riverlands, but Thomas Evans 
could have heard it elsewhere. 

1562
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:34,440
So yeah, maybe heard Rhaegar 
perform it or something like 

1563
01:20:34,440 --> 01:20:37,080
that. 
Pie Guy 34 O3 says you touched 

1564
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:39,360
on the Red priests. 
Got me thinking of Thoros and 

1565
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:41,800
Don and Derek Darien. 
Where did they fit into the Song

1566
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:43,440
of Ice and Fire and then 
Stoneheart. 

1567
01:20:43,440 --> 01:20:45,280
What about her? 
Her strength was given to her by

1568
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:49,240
Don Darien, whose strength is 
from Relor, but she is cold as 

1569
01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:50,880
stone. 
Where did she fit it? 

1570
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:54,960
Yeah, I really don't know. 
It's a great question what 

1571
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:58,760
George is doing with the undead 
characters outside of the Others

1572
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:02,240
in the long term. 
I just don't know. 

1573
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:07,680
I think part of it is to show 
that the Summer That Never Ends 

1574
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:09,960
concept from relore isn't good 
either. 

1575
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:11,600
That's bad. 
Just like In the Winter That 

1576
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:14,240
Never Ends maybe not quite as 
bad, but they're both just the 

1577
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:17,720
end of humanity. 
And maybe to show that balance, 

1578
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:22,440
that bookend that both sides of 
the ice and fire magic have 

1579
01:21:22,480 --> 01:21:25,920
people returning from the dead, 
but that it can't be just that. 

1580
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:28,600
Though I feel like there's more 
to it that maybe just hasn't 

1581
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:31,560
been revealed. 
Is the return of the Dragons 

1582
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:35,280
part of why this is possible, or
is it something else that also 

1583
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:37,080
enabled the Dragons? 
Right. 

1584
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:38,560
These things are all happening 
together. 

1585
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:42,000
The dragon might be a symptom 
rather than a 'cause that's 

1586
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:43,000
pretty tricky. 
Yeah, I'm. 

1587
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:45,160
I'm not really sure. 
It's a tough question. 

1588
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:48,040
And it's something that George 
really keeps close to the chest 

1589
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:50,600
because he doesn't want to give 
us a lot of explanations about 

1590
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:52,800
how some of these things work. 
He doesn't want to really get 

1591
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:56,840
deep into the nature of relore. 
His deities don't directly 

1592
01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:59,120
intervene, right? 
That's just not how he does it. 

1593
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:02,560
So yeah, Stoneheart of all of 
them is one of the trickiest 

1594
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:06,480
too, because she was original. 
This is George planned this, not

1595
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:10,960
this way, but he had Catlin 
dying beyond the wall in his 

1596
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:14,440
original outline and probably 
resurrected by the others, 

1597
01:22:14,440 --> 01:22:17,080
probably turned into a a zombie 
there, a white there. 

1598
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:19,640
And that's a much different 
version of her story, but it 

1599
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:24,040
still is this same core idea of 
her dying and returning as 

1600
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:28,040
something else, something dark. 
So, yeah, I, I, I think it's an 

1601
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:31,760
an idea that he that really grew
from its original incarnation. 

1602
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:34,600
But I just, I can't, if I'm 
being honest. 

1603
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:38,880
I just, I don't have takes that 
I'm really confident in with 

1604
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:40,400
that regard. 
I'm I'm really just kind of 

1605
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:44,920
like, well, we'll have to see. 
Also from Pie guy, what other 

1606
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:47,360
faiths could know about the Song
of Ice and Fire? 

1607
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:49,400
Maybe not by that name, but by 
some. 

1608
01:22:49,440 --> 01:22:50,920
Some they may call it something 
else. 

1609
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:52,960
And how does it fit into their 
belief system? 

1610
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:57,120
If so, we could theoretically go
through every religion and try 

1611
01:22:57,120 --> 01:22:58,440
to guesstimate how that would 
work. 

1612
01:22:58,440 --> 01:23:01,080
Like, you know, how does the 
Black Goat of Kohor, what do 

1613
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:02,360
they think about the Song of Ice
and Fire? 

1614
01:23:02,440 --> 01:23:04,240
That's one word. 
I would think that they don't 

1615
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:09,080
have much knowledge of it or any
knowledge of it, but relore or 

1616
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:12,720
House of black and white, they 
might have some familiarity, if 

1617
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:14,600
not a lot of it. 
House of black and white, not 

1618
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:19,240
just from history, but from the 
fact that Sam just blurted out 

1619
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:22,480
everything about it in front of 
faceless Pate. 

1620
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:27,120
So if they didn't know about it,
well, they might soon because 

1621
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:30,400
that information could be 
delivered to them by one of 

1622
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:33,480
their own. 
From our Ryan red wine episode. 

1623
01:23:33,480 --> 01:23:37,160
Shout out to Nina for right now 
1 great job Nina debunk your 

1624
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:39,640
mind says just to point out a 
couple key issues with Sir 

1625
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:46,040
Lukamore regarding his secret 
wives. 3 secret wives debunk 

1626
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:49,360
your mind wants to emphasize 
that this was not just this is 

1627
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:56,000
really not comparable to Prince 
Lewin or Baylon or Boris blunt 

1628
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:57,760
people who just like have a 
lover. 

1629
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:04,040
This is 3 wives, which is a step
beyond just having a lover and 

1630
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:08,960
16 children. 
That's yeah, it's not really 

1631
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:13,800
comparable to any other 
Kingsguard vow breaking thing 

1632
01:24:14,440 --> 01:24:18,120
with women who aren't like a 
queen or something like that. 

1633
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:21,840
Like obviously that's a bad one 
too, but that isn't really 

1634
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:24,520
comparable to this like what 
Kristen Cole and Rainier may 

1635
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:29,120
have done is a different sort of
bad than this. 

1636
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:33,720
This is involves way more people
much harder secret to keep. 

1637
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:38,440
So the bunky minds bottom line 
is that Ryan's own honor would 

1638
01:24:38,440 --> 01:24:40,320
have been forfeit if he kept 
Luca more secrets. 

1639
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:42,400
It would have been like a how 
could you not have known this 

1640
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:45,800
was going on? 
Like, he's he would maybe get 

1641
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:48,600
pulled down in the scandal too. 
He'd be like, what kind of a 

1642
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:51,240
dummy are you? 
If Lukamar was able to get away 

1643
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:54,480
with all this and none of you 
noticed y'all were covering for 

1644
01:24:54,480 --> 01:24:56,160
him. 
You must have been covering for 

1645
01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:59,560
him If he, if you didn't notice 
this, like how you're not fit to

1646
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:02,720
be a Kingsguard if you didn't 
catch that 3 secret wives. 

1647
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:04,960
Come on, y'all. 
Like, how did you know 16 kids? 

1648
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:07,120
Really. 
How did you not catch it? 

1649
01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:10,480
I mean, it's one thing if the 
king doesn't catch that, the 

1650
01:25:10,480 --> 01:25:12,760
queen doesn't catch that. 
But his fellow brothers, Yeah, 

1651
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:15,080
let's just yeah, that's a good 
point. 

1652
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:17,360
It's a good point. 
This is it's it's a very it's 

1653
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:19,960
kind of in its own category in 
terms of because just sleeping 

1654
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:22,680
with a random woman or having a 
lover that's more like moles 

1655
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:24,480
town. 
That's like it's one of those 

1656
01:25:24,480 --> 01:25:26,520
that can turn a blind eye to 
that one because it's like 

1657
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:29,440
that's is that really causing a 
big problem? 

1658
01:25:29,440 --> 01:25:32,040
Yes, it's a violation of your 
oath, but it's like when it's 

1659
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:34,440
come on, come on, come on. 
Is that really so bad? 

1660
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:37,960
This one, however, yeah, it is 
that bad, Brandon Lord, 

1661
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:41,560
Baltimore 5182 says. 
In my humble opinion, Ryan 

1662
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:43,720
either had feelings for 
Lukamore's current Paramore 

1663
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:47,360
himself or just felt honor bound
to avenge for one of Lukamore's 

1664
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:49,840
past conquests. 
Yeah, it's it might just grate 

1665
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:53,280
on him if he was like a real a 
stickler for the rules, which we

1666
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:54,680
don't know that for sure about 
him. 

1667
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:58,200
It's just a valid theory, but 
it's an interesting angle that 

1668
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:00,960
maybe he was jealous. 
I honestly hadn't considered 

1669
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:02,240
that. 
But we should be considering 

1670
01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:04,600
things like that because even 
though Ryan's reputation is so 

1671
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:06,760
clean and spotless, that doesn't
mean it's true. 

1672
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:10,240
This is Jar Jar Martin we're 
talking about, Like, is he 

1673
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:11,760
really that good? 
Isn't there? 

1674
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:14,640
There's got to be a little bit 
maybe that's not so great about 

1675
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:17,080
him. 
We just know him 200 years later

1676
01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:18,640
and all the good things that 
were said about him. 

1677
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:21,600
That doesn't mean it's all 
really that true. 

1678
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:26,560
Was he really that good? 
Maybe he was, but it's fair to 

1679
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:29,480
be skeptical that he was really,
was he really that perfect? 

1680
01:26:29,480 --> 01:26:34,000
You know, Eric Rodriguez, 248 
says as far as epic modern day 

1681
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:38,240
sports matchups go, this is 
referring to the extremely long 

1682
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:42,440
legendary bout of rhyme red wine
versus Clarence crab with a 

1683
01:26:42,440 --> 01:26:45,800
broke, absurd number of Lance 30
lances or something like that. 

1684
01:26:46,120 --> 01:26:48,720
And we mentioned that in terms 
of, well, what's a sporting 

1685
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:50,720
event or sporting achievement 
that's similar to that? 

1686
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:55,040
Here's a good call. 
Eric Rodriguez says in two or 

1687
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:58,200
any 10, there was a match 
between John Isner and Nicholas 

1688
01:26:58,200 --> 01:27:00,000
Mahut. 
Mahut Mahut, I don't know how to

1689
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:03,440
say it. 
The match lasted 11 hours and 5 

1690
01:27:03,440 --> 01:27:04,880
minutes over the course of three
days. 

1691
01:27:05,480 --> 01:27:09,800
Now, having it take over the 
course of multiple days is a 

1692
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:12,400
little different, but still, 
that's an insane amount of 

1693
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:15,760
tennis. 
And he says that these two 

1694
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:17,800
weren't at the top of their 
game, whereas red one and crab 

1695
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:19,360
were. 
So maybe this pure display of 

1696
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:22,640
skill wasn't quite as 
impressive, but still, that's 

1697
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:25,640
impressive. 
And yeah, that's a, that's a 

1698
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:27,000
good one. 
That's a good example. 

1699
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:29,040
I like that. 
That's, that's a, that's a very 

1700
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:33,120
impressive 11 hours of tennis at
at an elite level. 

1701
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:35,640
Yeah. 
I mean, the stamina, the the 

1702
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:39,720
conditioning, you would need to 
run back and forth that much and

1703
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:43,640
swing that racket so much 
probably wasn't cool those days 

1704
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:46,920
either. 
From our Alyssa Farman episode, 

1705
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:50,720
Laughing Chicken 177 says As an 
Aaron, this was so funny to me 

1706
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:53,160
or for me. 
And what that refers to is how 

1707
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:55,200
there's so many different ways 
to spell Aaron. 

1708
01:27:56,480 --> 01:28:08,280
ERRONERINAARONERINNERYNERYNE. 
This is an infinite number of 

1709
01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:12,040
ways to spell Aaron or. 
Did you even say ARRYN? 

1710
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:14,760
No. 
House Aaron No AERON like Aaron 

1711
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:18,160
Dampair, which that one's really
just Game of Thrones, but still,

1712
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:20,360
for us, that counts right in our
world. 

1713
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:24,880
Even the name Alyssa Farman from
Alyssa Alyssa, There's a lot of 

1714
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:27,080
ways to spell that one too. 
Not as many as Aaron, but still 

1715
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:31,880
selling Zorro 8732. 
Says another way that Jon Snow 

1716
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:34,560
could learn the lesson of duty 
over honor would be if he ever 

1717
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:37,880
finds out that Ned's not his 
father, that he comes to realize

1718
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:41,720
that Ned sacrificed his honor in
order to protect Jon, Will and 

1719
01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:43,720
Leon. 
So this is from our Rob's The 

1720
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:45,640
Riddle of Rob's Will episode. 
That's a very good point. 

1721
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:48,000
Like I do expect Jon to learn 
that. 

1722
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:50,520
I think we all do at least 
probably. 

1723
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:54,400
So when he pieces all that 
together and he realizes, wow, 

1724
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:58,680
my father was lying, but it was 
well, or that guy who's not my 

1725
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:02,400
father, my uncle was lying. 
And he always thought that Ned 

1726
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:04,920
would never lie. 
I was like, well, I guess he 

1727
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:05,920
would. 
And we do know that this is 

1728
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:07,960
something that Ned absolutely 
would lie about. 

1729
01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:10,040
And we've seen it and we've seen
him do it for Sansa. 

1730
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:13,280
We've seen it when when virus 
said, well, your honor, what 

1731
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:15,320
about Sansa's life? 
And he's like, OK, my honor's 

1732
01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:17,520
nothing compared to her. 
I'm going to I will absolutely 

1733
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:19,320
sacrifice my honor to keep my 
daughter alive. 

1734
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:21,760
So that goes the show. 
It's not Ned's number one thing.

1735
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:24,800
His family does come first. 
He, if he was a Tully family 

1736
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:26,520
duty, honor, that's the right 
order for Ned. 

1737
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:31,080
And so if John figures that out 
too well, that's that could take

1738
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:36,840
him to a lot of places and would
help him understand what Ned did

1739
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:39,200
for him. 
And would he would very much 

1740
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:41,800
honor that sacrifice. 
Even though he might be like a 

1741
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:45,320
little stunned at first to find 
out that Ned lied about this, he

1742
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:49,600
would probably pretty quickly 
come around to realize that it 

1743
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:52,960
was a good lie, that it was one 
of those things that he had a 

1744
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:56,680
good reason to do. 
Not all lies are bad, Jon Snow. 

1745
01:29:57,240 --> 01:30:01,000
Sometimes you tell lies to for 
good outcomes for and you you 

1746
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:03,440
know that it's just the world 
isn't that simple, that all lies

1747
01:30:03,440 --> 01:30:05,800
are bad. 
So I think that's something that

1748
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:10,800
that Jon is going to maybe come 
around on, soften up on a little

1749
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:11,920
bit. 
Yeah, that's a good point. 

1750
01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:15,640
Balganese says, come on, guys. 
He's clearly going to kill Dark 

1751
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:18,040
Star, proclaim himself King of 
Torrentine just like his 

1752
01:30:18,040 --> 01:30:20,800
ancestors Mary Daenerys, and 
then kill others with Dawn. 

1753
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:25,280
It's so obvious that is a 
comment about Edrick Dane from 

1754
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:28,280
our Dark Star episode. 
So Edrick Dane is going to kill 

1755
01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:30,240
Dark Star, Dark Star is going to
come for him, but Edrick Dane 

1756
01:30:30,240 --> 01:30:32,360
will pull a fast one and be the 
winner there. 

1757
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:36,040
King of the Torrentine, Wow, 
that's great. 

1758
01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:41,600
The War of 6 Kings, yes. 
As an aside y'all, I said that 

1759
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:45,200
we were doing a secondary topics
moot over on our Patreon page 

1760
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:48,680
and we have two winners so far. 
Two more episodes that are going

1761
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:51,720
to be made. 
One of them is Edrick Dane. 

1762
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:55,680
Edrick Dane is is has won a 
topic Smoot poll and we're going

1763
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:56,920
to make that before the end of 
the year. 

1764
01:30:57,080 --> 01:31:00,840
The other winner so far is 
called 3 Baratheon Bastards, and

1765
01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:05,160
it's an episode dedicated to 
Gendry, Maya Stone, Mia Stone 

1766
01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:10,000
and Edrick Storm. 
A stupid ID says I would love 

1767
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:12,120
the Great John to be the one 
that kills Walter Frey. 

1768
01:31:12,480 --> 01:31:16,960
Yeah, like, Walder Frey is going
to die, most likely. 

1769
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:18,360
A lot of phrases are probably 
going to die. 

1770
01:31:18,360 --> 01:31:21,800
I don't think we should be 
looking at the TV show. 

1771
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:23,320
I mean, like, oh, yeah, Ari is 
going to do it. 

1772
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:26,120
She might. 
I'd really doubt it, though. 

1773
01:31:26,120 --> 01:31:28,120
I really doubt that. 
She kills a bunch of all those 

1774
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:31,000
phrase, like anything like the 
way the show portrays it. 

1775
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:34,400
I really don't think so. 
She sort of has the phrase on 

1776
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:36,720
her list. 
She doesn't know which names to 

1777
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:37,800
put. 
She's like, I would put the 

1778
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:39,600
phrase on my list. 
I just don't know their names. 

1779
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:42,600
So that's possible. 
She gets involved in that plot, 

1780
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:45,840
that revenge, that justice, 
whatever you want to call it. 

1781
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:50,720
But the great John is someone we
do expect to be a, you know, Act

1782
01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:52,960
Three player. 
He's been, he was a big part of 

1783
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:54,640
Act One. 
Then he got thrown in prison. 

1784
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:57,400
And I suspect he's going to get,
he's going to break those 

1785
01:31:57,400 --> 01:31:59,280
chains. 
It's like those that umber sigil

1786
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:03,280
and he's got several people are 
going to have to have a 

1787
01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:06,040
reckoning. 
And Walder Frey might be #1 

1788
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:09,000
maybe Roose Bolton, but I have a
suspicion that Bolton may 

1789
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:11,360
already be dead by the time 
Great John gets out. 

1790
01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:13,960
And also Great John, if he gets 
out, it'll be in the Riverlands.

1791
01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:16,040
That's where he's imprisoned. 
He's either he's at the Twins 

1792
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:18,600
right now. 
Jamie ordered him sent to King's

1793
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:21,080
Landing. 
If he escapes at King's Landing 

1794
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:24,480
or on the way to King's Landing,
or is freed from the Twins, all 

1795
01:32:24,480 --> 01:32:27,440
those are near, in or near the 
Riverlands, nowhere near the 

1796
01:32:27,440 --> 01:32:31,320
North. 
Le Corbusier says Theon of all 

1797
01:32:31,320 --> 01:32:33,760
people, mentions that dire 
wolves had not been seen South 

1798
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:36,920
of the Wall for 200 years. 
Assuming the Wall has magic 

1799
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:39,520
negation properties, maybe other
Starks could not make a 

1800
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:42,040
connection to more magically 
inclined animals like direwolves

1801
01:32:42,040 --> 01:32:46,120
until now. 
If Bran or a Bloodraven tipped 

1802
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:49,120
John off the Ghost, who doesn't 
make a sound but was heard by 

1803
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:50,840
John. 
I love that take that that 

1804
01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:53,040
catch, by the way, Maybe one or 
the other. 

1805
01:32:53,200 --> 01:32:56,400
Both Bran and Bloodraven 
influenced the stag and direwolf

1806
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:58,040
to go South of the Wall for the 
kids. 

1807
01:32:58,440 --> 01:33:01,560
Yeah, it's an interesting 
theory, The idea that Bloodraven

1808
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:03,760
sent those direwolves. 
I think it's a very strong 

1809
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:07,720
theory because of this, this tip
that direwolves haven't been 

1810
01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:11,880
seen South of the Wall in 200 
years, yet Winterfell is very 

1811
01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:16,000
far South of the Wall. 
It's like weeks by travel. 

1812
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:18,400
Remember how long it takes 
Tyrion and John to get there 

1813
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:20,920
when they leave Winterfell, It 
takes a while. 

1814
01:33:20,920 --> 01:33:25,200
So it's not just South of the 
Wall, it's very South of the 

1815
01:33:25,200 --> 01:33:27,400
Wall. 
So it's peculiar. 

1816
01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:33,040
And the idea that there was a 
human involvement is worth 

1817
01:33:33,160 --> 01:33:37,440
considering, if not likely, 
possibly the stag itself. 

1818
01:33:37,440 --> 01:33:38,840
That's interesting. 
Yeah. 

1819
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:41,800
That's a little like the actual 
way they were found, with the 

1820
01:33:41,800 --> 01:33:45,600
direwolf mother being dead and 
all that killed by the stag. 

1821
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:47,560
It's obviously important 
symbolism for this, this the 

1822
01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:51,360
stag, Baratheon sigil and the 
antler going in the wolf's 

1823
01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:55,960
throat as a hint of for what's 
going to happen to Ned and maybe

1824
01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:59,640
some other Starks as well. 
But I don't have a stronger 

1825
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:02,400
feelings on that part. 
But it it makes sense. 

1826
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:04,120
I mean, it blood Raven could do 
that. 

1827
01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:07,000
It's not out of it. 
It's not like imagining some 

1828
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:10,120
power that we haven't seen. 
That's just pretty basic skin 

1829
01:34:10,120 --> 01:34:12,360
changing, right? 
If you it's kind of weird to 

1830
01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:17,320
imagine a skin changer having 
two animals fight. 

1831
01:34:17,320 --> 01:34:20,600
Like Can you imagine Varamir had
sticking one of his wolves on 

1832
01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:24,280
one of his other animals? 
But they're not he's not blood 

1833
01:34:24,280 --> 01:34:25,720
Raven wouldn't be bonded to 
these animals. 

1834
01:34:25,720 --> 01:34:27,840
It would just be, you know, I'm 
going to skin change into these 

1835
01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:30,120
because I'm a green seer and can
enter any animal I want. 

1836
01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:33,120
I'm going to create this 
situation near Winterfell for 

1837
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:34,640
them to find. 
Yeah. 

1838
01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:38,760
I I don't think that we should 
be looking at that as mundane. 

1839
01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:41,400
We don't. 
We also shouldn't assume that it

1840
01:34:41,400 --> 01:34:42,840
was just blood Raven and that's 
it. 

1841
01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:45,440
But I do think it's very likely 
he was involved. 

1842
01:34:45,440 --> 01:34:49,320
A few questions from the Benjen,
the Book of Benjen Stark 

1843
01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:51,600
episode. 
Well, first one from Ben Jay. 

1844
01:34:52,840 --> 01:34:55,000
Yeah. 
Is this Benjen asking about him?

1845
01:34:56,320 --> 01:34:58,440
Listening to The Avengers Dark 
episode, the fact that Mance is 

1846
01:34:58,440 --> 01:35:02,400
at Winterfell during the feast 
when when Robert and Cersei are 

1847
01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:05,800
visiting doesn't make sense. 
He should be either fighting 

1848
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:08,960
other leaders to become leader 
of the free folk or looking for 

1849
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:12,200
that horn on unearthing graves 
and trying to find that. 

1850
01:35:12,200 --> 01:35:14,080
That's not a bad point. 
I don't agree with the first 

1851
01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:18,560
part because by the time Robert 
came to visit, Mance was already

1852
01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:21,240
King of the Beyond the Wall. 
He'd already subjugated the 

1853
01:35:21,240 --> 01:35:22,680
other leaders, so that had 
already happened. 

1854
01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:25,520
So that's in the past. 
But they were actively looking 

1855
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:26,560
for the horn. 
That is true. 

1856
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:28,280
They still were doing that. 
They hadn't stopped. 

1857
01:35:28,280 --> 01:35:33,640
But I could see Mance just, you 
know, pausing that effort or 

1858
01:35:33,640 --> 01:35:35,600
letting or having his 
subordinates continue that 

1859
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:37,600
effort while he goes S to check 
out Robert. 

1860
01:35:37,960 --> 01:35:40,080
It's not. 
So I see what you're saying that

1861
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:44,120
there's a maybe a little bit of 
overlap on what Mance is doing 

1862
01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:45,800
here and how could he be doing 
all this at once. 

1863
01:35:46,440 --> 01:35:49,480
But I don't think it's quite as 
quite as bad as what you're 

1864
01:35:49,480 --> 01:35:51,160
saying. 
I think it just requires a 

1865
01:35:51,160 --> 01:35:53,080
little explanation. 
But it's not. 

1866
01:35:53,560 --> 01:35:56,400
I don't think it's like a plot 
hole or anything. 

1867
01:35:57,080 --> 01:36:01,080
Here's a great name, Tosh 
Furatu, of course, that's a play

1868
01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:07,080
on Nos Furatu and I assume a 
Peter Tosh, the reggae legend 

1869
01:36:07,080 --> 01:36:10,400
who was had a great solo career 
after being one of the Whalers, 

1870
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:12,080
as in Bob Marley and the 
Whalers. 

1871
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:13,520
Yeah, I know my reggae a little 
bit. 

1872
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:17,560
Not not Tosh point O. 
It could be Tosh .0. 

1873
01:36:18,240 --> 01:36:20,640
I guess it could be that. 
That might be more likely, 

1874
01:36:20,640 --> 01:36:22,440
actually. 
I know I think of Peter Tosh 

1875
01:36:22,440 --> 01:36:26,360
first, even though, yeah, Tosh 
Three 2.0 is probably more 

1876
01:36:26,440 --> 01:36:30,480
famous the in these days. 
My head's in the 80s, y'all, 

1877
01:36:30,480 --> 01:36:32,640
Because Peter Tosh definitely 
more popular in the 80s. 

1878
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:35,040
Yeah. 
So the question is, I have a 

1879
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:38,080
feeling Benjin is alive, living 
in a cave like a hermit while 

1880
01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:40,120
secretly watching over important
events as they happen. 

1881
01:36:40,120 --> 01:36:42,640
And of course, the nearby 
Wildling village children refer 

1882
01:36:42,640 --> 01:36:45,600
to him as Old Ben. 
Nice Star Wars reference. 

1883
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:48,920
Yes, because, yeah, he probably 
calls himself old Ben. 

1884
01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:53,320
You know, he changed his name, 
but he still calls himself 

1885
01:36:53,320 --> 01:36:55,000
Stark, right? 
It's just like, yes. 

1886
01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:56,960
Ben Kenobi. 
Oh, what a what? 

1887
01:36:56,960 --> 01:37:00,720
A disguise boy, that Ben Kenobi.
Obi Wan Kenobi. 

1888
01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:01,960
Duh. 
There's that's him. 

1889
01:37:02,440 --> 01:37:04,000
That's two. 
There's no way those are 

1890
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:06,640
connected. 
Yeah, So he'd be like Ben, you 

1891
01:37:06,640 --> 01:37:09,160
know, Starkish or something like
that. 

1892
01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:11,200
I was like, Nah, I can't be the 
same guy. 

1893
01:37:11,480 --> 01:37:13,280
Merkel. 
John says if Ben found out the 

1894
01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:16,800
prophecy from Liana via Rhaegar,
regardless of who the child was,

1895
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:19,840
be it John or Danny or whatever,
knowing they had to save the 

1896
01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:23,880
world from north winds rising 
without Dragons, one could see 

1897
01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:27,080
how he felt obligated to make 
the fight a priority to her 

1898
01:37:27,080 --> 01:37:28,720
legacy by joining the Night's 
Watch. 

1899
01:37:29,080 --> 01:37:30,240
That's true. 
Yeah. 

1900
01:37:30,240 --> 01:37:34,240
Like if Benjen discovered some 
things, like if Liana told him 

1901
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:38,240
things that Rhaegar was 
convinced of, which then she 

1902
01:37:38,240 --> 01:37:42,200
would have been convinced of, 
and Benjin would have been very 

1903
01:37:42,200 --> 01:37:45,120
young and very, as we talked 
about in the Benjin Stark 

1904
01:37:45,120 --> 01:37:48,200
episode quite a bit, Liana and 
Benjin were very close, the 

1905
01:37:48,200 --> 01:37:51,240
closest pair of those siblings 
of all those Stark siblings of 

1906
01:37:51,240 --> 01:37:54,240
that generation. 
And she had a big influence on 

1907
01:37:54,240 --> 01:37:55,320
him. 
So she could convince him of a 

1908
01:37:55,320 --> 01:37:56,600
lot. 
He really looked up to her, it 

1909
01:37:56,600 --> 01:37:59,200
seems like. 
So if she believed something 

1910
01:37:59,200 --> 01:38:02,120
very sincerely, he would 
probably believe it too. 

1911
01:38:02,440 --> 01:38:06,200
So I could definitely see this, 
that he, she learned things from

1912
01:38:06,200 --> 01:38:09,920
Rhaegar about the prophecy, 
passed them on to Ben, and he 

1913
01:38:10,040 --> 01:38:13,160
took that to heart and was like,
yeah, I should join the Night's 

1914
01:38:13,160 --> 01:38:14,040
Watch. 
I mean, we are. 

1915
01:38:14,200 --> 01:38:15,600
He was already kind of 
interested in that. 

1916
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:17,280
Like we we hear when he was 
younger, it was already 

1917
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:18,560
something that he was kind of 
drawn to. 

1918
01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:22,640
That would explain the the last 
bit of push that he needed. 

1919
01:38:22,640 --> 01:38:24,720
He was already considering it. 
And then he finds out there's a 

1920
01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:29,720
supernatural prophetic reason 
that his sister, whom he loves 

1921
01:38:29,720 --> 01:38:31,920
and trusts, sincerely believes 
in. 

1922
01:38:32,440 --> 01:38:35,000
Yeah, that would move him. 
That would that would definitely

1923
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:38,640
have a big impact, Chatty 
Lumpkin says. 

1924
01:38:39,200 --> 01:38:41,000
Well, here's an idea that's way 
out there. 

1925
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:43,280
What if Benjen received aid from
the Children of the Forest? 

1926
01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:45,960
It was traditional at one time 
for the children to gift the 

1927
01:38:45,960 --> 01:38:47,600
watch with 100 pieces of 
Obsidian. 

1928
01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:50,520
Did they find him and did he 
take refuge in The Cave system? 

1929
01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:53,480
Did has he had contact with 
Bloodraven who could potentially

1930
01:38:53,480 --> 01:38:55,720
instruct him or direct him as a 
previous Lord commander of the 

1931
01:38:55,720 --> 01:38:57,920
watch? 
Is Benjen acting on Bloodraven's

1932
01:38:57,920 --> 01:38:59,800
orders? 
And could Benjen be instrumental

1933
01:38:59,800 --> 01:39:01,920
in brand and companies escape 
back to Winterfell? 

1934
01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:05,960
Well, obviously in the show they
had Benjen helping Bran get 

1935
01:39:05,960 --> 01:39:08,880
away. 
I feel like that's not unlikely 

1936
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:12,640
to be something in that regard, 
like Benjen helping them that 

1937
01:39:12,640 --> 01:39:15,280
might that's a not an unlikely 
way for him to reappear. 

1938
01:39:15,960 --> 01:39:19,760
And I definitely like the idea 
of considering him being 

1939
01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:24,160
connected to children this way. 
Because when we discussed the 

1940
01:39:24,160 --> 01:39:26,680
last hero story, it's not a 
prophecy. 

1941
01:39:26,680 --> 01:39:30,520
It's a story that feels like 
foreshadowing, but still is a 

1942
01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:33,680
story. 
Bran lines up very well with 

1943
01:39:33,680 --> 01:39:37,160
that story about fitting with 
it, but so does Benjen. 

1944
01:39:37,160 --> 01:39:39,520
He's the second best fit for 
that. 

1945
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:42,200
And if we're going to have 
multiple people that fit Azora 

1946
01:39:42,200 --> 01:39:45,040
High, if we're going to have a 
couple of people maybe who check

1947
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:47,560
off some of the other boxes of 
the prints that was promised, 

1948
01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:50,160
even if Danny checks them off 
the best, John does a pretty 

1949
01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:52,520
good job too. 
Couple other characters, maybe 

1950
01:39:53,280 --> 01:39:57,200
not not as much, but point being
there's a lot of times multiple 

1951
01:39:57,200 --> 01:39:59,800
candidates for some of these 
prophetic figures, especially 

1952
01:39:59,800 --> 01:40:03,280
Azora High. 
So maybe this one's, maybe 

1953
01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:05,720
there's multiple Last Hero 
figures, maybe multiple people 

1954
01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:08,520
fit into that. 
If so, this theory has a lot of 

1955
01:40:08,520 --> 01:40:11,720
legs, and without knowing what 
else is going on with Benjen, a 

1956
01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:13,120
lot of thoughts are valid here. 
A lot. 

1957
01:40:13,120 --> 01:40:15,200
There's a lot of valid theories 
in my opinion as to what it 

1958
01:40:15,200 --> 01:40:18,000
could be. 
Abduction of Liana from a couple

1959
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:20,880
questions about that one, Adam 
Sarkowski says how the news of 

1960
01:40:20,880 --> 01:40:23,160
her abduction spread out to 
Brandon and others. 

1961
01:40:23,160 --> 01:40:25,720
Related to that, I'm of the 
opinion that it was no other, 

1962
01:40:25,720 --> 01:40:28,600
none other than Peter Baelish, 
who somehow managed to master a 

1963
01:40:28,600 --> 01:40:29,960
plan to throw a spanner in the 
works. 

1964
01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:33,480
Is it likely that unknowingly, 
he was the one who started this 

1965
01:40:33,480 --> 01:40:36,480
through all all through chaos? 
He wanted to kill Brandon after 

1966
01:40:36,480 --> 01:40:38,560
losing his duel. 
And he knew then that in order 

1967
01:40:38,560 --> 01:40:40,600
to beat stronger men, he had to 
do it another way. 

1968
01:40:40,920 --> 01:40:43,400
That's a good point because we 
know that Littlefinger learned, 

1969
01:40:43,440 --> 01:40:46,880
you know, he did think he he was
thinking like he was in a song 

1970
01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:48,960
or something like that. 
He was thinking he had to be 

1971
01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:51,360
brave and do all these things. 
And he learned that life is not 

1972
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:53,600
a song. 
And he became very cynical after

1973
01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:56,720
that when he was already kind of
a, you know, a shifty kind of 

1974
01:40:56,720 --> 01:41:01,200
dude, very clever. 
Obviously, this isn't, not to 

1975
01:41:01,200 --> 01:41:04,280
take anything away from this, 
but this theory has been around 

1976
01:41:04,280 --> 01:41:07,200
for quite a while. 
It's certainly makes some sense.

1977
01:41:07,200 --> 01:41:12,920
It's the part that is tricky is 
you say yourself, somehow he did

1978
01:41:12,920 --> 01:41:15,120
this. 
The trick is how did he do this 

1979
01:41:15,120 --> 01:41:21,560
when he was severely wounded and
laid up in bed and only about 15

1980
01:41:21,560 --> 01:41:24,320
or 16 years old? 
I wouldn't put it past him. 

1981
01:41:24,320 --> 01:41:30,320
He's so clever, so capable of, 
as you say, throwing a spanner 

1982
01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:33,480
in the works. 
But there are some hurdles here 

1983
01:41:33,480 --> 01:41:36,720
given his age and his he wasn't 
established as some kind of spy 

1984
01:41:36,720 --> 01:41:37,640
man. 
He didn't have some sort of 

1985
01:41:37,640 --> 01:41:39,840
network of agents. 
He didn't even have money. 

1986
01:41:40,040 --> 01:41:41,800
So he couldn't have had that 
because like what? 

1987
01:41:41,800 --> 01:41:45,040
He doesn't have any money to pay
people to, to give him secrets. 

1988
01:41:45,360 --> 01:41:50,120
He's a 16 year old, you know, 
Foster at River Run, you know, 

1989
01:41:50,160 --> 01:41:54,000
of, of a family that's being a 
favor is being done to them 

1990
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:57,240
because they're not so big, you 
know, they're not a really 

1991
01:41:57,240 --> 01:42:00,320
powerful family. 
It's he was kind of up jumped in

1992
01:42:00,320 --> 01:42:03,440
the 1st place based on their 
social mores here. 

1993
01:42:03,960 --> 01:42:08,920
So it, it's very possible, 
though, that he found a way to 

1994
01:42:10,200 --> 01:42:12,480
send a message to Brandon or 
send someone out there with 

1995
01:42:12,480 --> 01:42:15,400
false information or with true 
information that was just 

1996
01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:18,480
exaggerated. 
Like, yeah, Leona ran away with 

1997
01:42:18,480 --> 01:42:21,920
Rhaegar, but let me treat it 
like a kidnapping. 

1998
01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:23,440
Let me tell everybody it was a 
kidnapping. 

1999
01:42:24,240 --> 01:42:28,040
You know, even if he might not 
be, he might not know the truth,

2000
01:42:28,120 --> 01:42:30,360
he might not know what 
circumstances Leona left with 

2001
01:42:30,360 --> 01:42:33,240
Rhaegar on. 
He just decided to make up that 

2002
01:42:33,240 --> 01:42:35,720
it was a kidnapping. 
And that is what fired Brandon 

2003
01:42:35,720 --> 01:42:38,960
up and had predictable results. 
Because that is, that is 

2004
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:43,960
predictable if if Brandon is 
convinced that Rhaegar kidnapped

2005
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:46,360
Leona, which is the, which is 
what he operated on. 

2006
01:42:46,440 --> 01:42:50,520
We don't know exactly why, but 
it is what he was thinking 

2007
01:42:50,520 --> 01:42:51,960
happened. 
He thought that Rhaegar 

2008
01:42:51,960 --> 01:42:54,280
kidnapped Leanne. 
So yeah, it's entirely possible 

2009
01:42:54,280 --> 01:42:57,200
that someone gave him that idea 
falsely or just pushed him in 

2010
01:42:57,200 --> 01:42:59,320
that direction. 
He may have started thinking 

2011
01:42:59,320 --> 01:43:03,640
that way and someone else pushed
him the rest of the way towards 

2012
01:43:03,640 --> 01:43:04,200
believing it. 
Maybe. 

2013
01:43:04,200 --> 01:43:07,000
Maybe gave him a false clue. 
Just a little something. 

2014
01:43:07,000 --> 01:43:11,080
Something to get Brandon, who's 
already hot about it, to get him

2015
01:43:11,080 --> 01:43:14,920
fully aflame and ready to go 
tell Rhaegar to come out and 

2016
01:43:14,920 --> 01:43:16,800
die. 
Which, again, is also going to 

2017
01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:19,440
have a predictable result. 
If you're someone who 

2018
01:43:19,440 --> 01:43:22,960
understands people, you don't 
have to be that good at 

2019
01:43:22,960 --> 01:43:25,760
understanding people to 
understand how the Mad King is 

2020
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:28,800
going to react to having his 
print, having his son and heir 

2021
01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:31,520
threatened. 
Sam Claus, too, says my head 

2022
01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:33,480
cannon is that she had a 
stronger connection with horses 

2023
01:43:33,480 --> 01:43:36,120
than normal. 
Yeah, you know, that's a valid 

2024
01:43:36,120 --> 01:43:41,880
possibility that that Liana had 
minor skin changing talent just 

2025
01:43:41,880 --> 01:43:46,880
enough to maybe just like sort 
of have a better connection with

2026
01:43:46,880 --> 01:43:50,120
horses than a regular person 
would without it being enough 

2027
01:43:50,120 --> 01:43:52,480
for her to even realize it's 
supernatural or for her to not 

2028
01:43:52,480 --> 01:43:55,480
be able to parse it because she 
was only 16 when she died. 

2029
01:43:55,480 --> 01:43:57,840
So maybe maybe if she lived 
longer, she would have figured 

2030
01:43:57,840 --> 01:44:00,720
out that there's a supernatural 
angle to her connection to 

2031
01:44:00,720 --> 01:44:03,560
horses. 
On the other hand, it's maybe 

2032
01:44:03,560 --> 01:44:06,320
better just to believe that 
she's just really talented with 

2033
01:44:06,320 --> 01:44:07,680
horses. 
I don't know if we want to make 

2034
01:44:07,680 --> 01:44:10,040
it supernatural, you know, I 
don't know that we need that. 

2035
01:44:10,040 --> 01:44:12,320
It's doesn't mean it's not true.
Doesn't mean it's not possible, 

2036
01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:16,320
but like personally prefer that 
she was just really talented and

2037
01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:19,280
that there wasn't a magical 
angle here, but I I certainly 

2038
01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:22,400
can't dispute the possibility. 
San Klons too also says I've 

2039
01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:24,360
never understood how Rhaegar 
went from wanting to depose his 

2040
01:44:24,360 --> 01:44:27,480
father to being willing to die 
for his wrongs in the field. 

2041
01:44:27,760 --> 01:44:31,840
Well I don't think he was 
willing to die for his father's 

2042
01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:33,160
wrongs. 
I don't think he was willing to 

2043
01:44:33,160 --> 01:44:37,880
die for his own family. 
Like, because he's still next in

2044
01:44:37,880 --> 01:44:42,400
line, if Rhaegar doesn't step in
and fight Robert, they might 

2045
01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:45,280
lose the rebellion and then 
Rhaegar isn't going to be king 

2046
01:44:45,320 --> 01:44:47,160
either. 
So I don't think he was doing it

2047
01:44:47,160 --> 01:44:49,520
for his father. 
I think he was doing it for his 

2048
01:44:49,520 --> 01:44:52,960
family, including himself. 
He's he's the heir to the 

2049
01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:54,400
throne. 
So it's still it's, it's still 

2050
01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:58,160
in his best interest to keep his
own status as heir. 

2051
01:44:58,560 --> 01:45:04,040
But that said, I think Sam Klons
raises a good point that quite 

2052
01:45:04,040 --> 01:45:07,800
possibly some of the things that
Rhaegar learned through prophecy

2053
01:45:08,360 --> 01:45:12,680
might have guided his actions 
vis A vis the battle to Trident 

2054
01:45:12,680 --> 01:45:16,840
or facing Robert or whatever he 
may have believed as Aegon the 

2055
01:45:16,840 --> 01:45:20,880
Conqueror did, that a Targaryen 
has to sit the throne for now. 

2056
01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:22,480
That's a show invention. 
Let's not forget that. 

2057
01:45:22,480 --> 01:45:24,960
As far as we know, that's a show
only invention, not Aegon's 

2058
01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:27,800
dream, that's from George. 
But the idea that there has to 

2059
01:45:27,800 --> 01:45:30,080
be a Targaryen sitting the 
throne, that's House of the 

2060
01:45:30,080 --> 01:45:34,200
Dragon for sure. 
It might be a song of ice and 

2061
01:45:34,200 --> 01:45:36,280
fire also, but we don't we we're
not sure of that. 

2062
01:45:36,280 --> 01:45:40,040
If it is A Song of Ice and Fire,
if that's also part of it, then 

2063
01:45:40,640 --> 01:45:43,080
it fits a lot. 
It fits neatly. 

2064
01:45:43,080 --> 01:45:45,080
The rigor's like, well, yeah, we
can't lose the throne because 

2065
01:45:45,080 --> 01:45:47,880
that's part of the prophecy. 
We have to keep it so that that 

2066
01:45:47,880 --> 01:45:51,800
would fit very well. 
Couple questions about both the 

2067
01:45:51,800 --> 01:45:54,120
House Fray episodes and the 
Winterfell murders. 

2068
01:45:54,280 --> 01:45:56,440
There's some connection here 
between because they're raised 

2069
01:45:56,640 --> 01:45:58,040
were involved in the Winterfell 
murders. 

2070
01:45:58,600 --> 01:46:03,200
JCFTWZMOFGWTF which is Jesus 
Christ for the win. 

2071
01:46:03,200 --> 01:46:06,560
ZOMF. 
Oh my God, what the Yeah that's 

2072
01:46:06,560 --> 01:46:08,360
great. 
All the expressions in once. 

2073
01:46:08,680 --> 01:46:10,400
I got you swear any. 
Oh yeah, you got me. 

2074
01:46:10,400 --> 01:46:11,480
Swear. 
I was like the first time I did 

2075
01:46:11,480 --> 01:46:13,080
that right. 
Yeah, I know you're normally so,

2076
01:46:13,200 --> 01:46:15,920
so good about that. 
And I'm the one who slips up and

2077
01:46:15,920 --> 01:46:18,120
who have to censor. 
Well, the FCC is getting looser 

2078
01:46:18,120 --> 01:46:19,360
these days. 
Not that we're not that we're 

2079
01:46:19,360 --> 01:46:22,560
guided by the FCC at all, but 
like now you can say the F word 

2080
01:46:22,560 --> 01:46:26,600
like once per movie. 
That's like PG13. 

2081
01:46:26,600 --> 01:46:28,200
Like what are we going to use 
that F word on? 

2082
01:46:28,200 --> 01:46:30,000
They like think about like, how 
are we going to, you can only 

2083
01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:31,360
get one. 
Where are we going to put it 

2084
01:46:31,360 --> 01:46:33,880
anyway? 
This. 

2085
01:46:34,200 --> 01:46:36,480
The question is, or the 
statement is, I don't have many 

2086
01:46:36,480 --> 01:46:39,200
theories that I will stand for 
against all odds, but one of 

2087
01:46:39,200 --> 01:46:42,080
them is that Big Walder will 
become Lord of the crossing only

2088
01:46:42,080 --> 01:46:44,760
for the long Night to hit and 
the Blue Fork to jump its banks.

2089
01:46:44,960 --> 01:46:49,440
And he's left with a toll bridge
and no river, thus leaving house

2090
01:46:49,440 --> 01:46:51,440
for a where they started 600 
years ago. 

2091
01:46:51,440 --> 01:46:52,920
I think you meant the Green 
Fork. 

2092
01:46:52,920 --> 01:46:54,680
But either way, point stands. 
Yeah. 

2093
01:46:55,120 --> 01:46:57,880
What happens if the the Trident 
freezes and it's like, well we 

2094
01:46:57,880 --> 01:46:59,360
don't need a bridge You can just
walk across? 

2095
01:47:01,000 --> 01:47:04,840
The idea that Big Walder will 
become Lord of the Crossing is 

2096
01:47:05,400 --> 01:47:07,600
pretty funny, right? 
Isn't Big Walder the one who got

2097
01:47:07,600 --> 01:47:08,640
killed? 
I always get that mixed up. 

2098
01:47:09,160 --> 01:47:10,760
No big one. 
Yeah, little one. 

2099
01:47:10,760 --> 01:47:13,560
The little sneaky 1 is Big 
Walder and Little Walder is the 

2100
01:47:13,560 --> 01:47:16,560
Big Less. 
They're all backwards, yeah, so.

2101
01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:18,840
That's how I remember. 
I'm like, it's not the way I 

2102
01:47:18,840 --> 01:47:22,720
would think. 
He's like 40th in line now a lot

2103
01:47:22,720 --> 01:47:25,320
of phrase might die. 
So maybe he'll go from 40th in 

2104
01:47:25,320 --> 01:47:29,000
line to like 15th in line and 
just with a just a Red Wedding 2

2105
01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:33,000
point O or something like that. 
But he may just also not get out

2106
01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:37,000
of the North alive. 
Noi metal 4440. 

2107
01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:40,640
Is that Donald Noi metal, like 
the true steel and the bronze 

2108
01:47:40,640 --> 01:47:41,760
and everything? 
Yeah, that's cool. 

2109
01:47:42,520 --> 01:47:45,440
Here's an alternate theory about
who killed, about who killed 

2110
01:47:45,720 --> 01:47:48,680
Walder, thinking that maybe 
Ramsey put him up to it. 

2111
01:47:48,960 --> 01:47:50,080
Right? 
That Ramsey put him up to the 

2112
01:47:50,080 --> 01:47:53,200
murder and threatened him with 
death if he didn't do it. 

2113
01:47:54,360 --> 01:47:56,840
I can't argue against that. 
I still think it was Walter 

2114
01:47:56,840 --> 01:48:00,640
killing his own brother, but and
I also don't know why Ramsey 

2115
01:48:00,640 --> 01:48:02,480
would want to do this. 
That's my argument against This 

2116
01:48:02,480 --> 01:48:05,680
is why would Ramsey want to kill
this young Frey? 

2117
01:48:05,680 --> 01:48:08,200
What's his what's his benefit? 
What's what does he gain from 

2118
01:48:08,200 --> 01:48:10,200
this? 
On the other hand, Walter 

2119
01:48:10,200 --> 01:48:12,440
killing his own brother also 
like what does he gain from 

2120
01:48:12,440 --> 01:48:14,800
this? 
He moves up one spot in the line

2121
01:48:14,800 --> 01:48:17,680
of succession from 40 something 
as to still 40 something. 

2122
01:48:17,680 --> 01:48:20,840
If so, the motives aren't that 
clear either way. 

2123
01:48:21,880 --> 01:48:24,600
So I don't know that I can say, 
oh, Ramsey doesn't have a motive

2124
01:48:24,600 --> 01:48:27,160
because neither does the brother
doesn't have that strong of a 

2125
01:48:27,160 --> 01:48:29,400
motive either. 
So it is a little peculiar. 

2126
01:48:29,400 --> 01:48:31,360
So that's that's a fairpoint, 
You know, if he. 

2127
01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:33,400
Has that strong of a motive, 
huh? 

2128
01:48:33,600 --> 01:48:35,920
You don't you don't think Big 
Walter is that strong of a 

2129
01:48:35,920 --> 01:48:37,640
motive? 
He has a huge motive. 

2130
01:48:37,640 --> 01:48:39,360
What is it? 
He's just trying to make it. 

2131
01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:42,600
He has to take his shot when he 
can to make his way up in line. 

2132
01:48:42,600 --> 01:48:45,480
That's the only way he's going 
to make it is if he every chance

2133
01:48:45,480 --> 01:48:47,800
he gets to eliminate someone, he
does it. 

2134
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:51,160
I think that's that's what he 
was thinking is like he's never 

2135
01:48:51,160 --> 01:48:52,640
going to be lured unless he 
kills him. 

2136
01:48:53,080 --> 01:48:54,760
This is when's he going to have 
the chance again? 

2137
01:48:54,760 --> 01:48:56,440
Never. 
I think. 

2138
01:48:56,440 --> 01:48:58,800
That I think it's just this kid 
is has the law he's. 

2139
01:48:58,800 --> 01:49:01,040
Like I got to kill 30 more of 
them, but I got to start now. 

2140
01:49:01,040 --> 01:49:03,560
Yeah, I mean, maybe he's like, I
don't have to kill 30 more, but 

2141
01:49:03,560 --> 01:49:06,800
every time 1 is in my has, I 
have a shot, I got to kill him 

2142
01:49:06,800 --> 01:49:08,960
and maybe he kills 10 more and 
the rest just get killed. 

2143
01:49:08,960 --> 01:49:10,680
I don't know. 
I think we have his motive, I 

2144
01:49:10,680 --> 01:49:11,960
guess. 
Clearly. 

2145
01:49:12,360 --> 01:49:16,840
And one tell here is that or two
tells here that NOI Metal 44 

2146
01:49:16,840 --> 01:49:19,920
points out is one of them is 
that Ruth's remarks that to 

2147
01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:23,840
Theon that Ramsey fights like a 
butcher and we're told that 

2148
01:49:24,040 --> 01:49:28,520
Walder was butchered like a hog.
I like the word play connection 

2149
01:49:28,520 --> 01:49:31,040
there. 
Obviously that's not foolproof, 

2150
01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:35,000
but Oh yeah, you're right. 
Sorry, Michelle Miscellaneous 

2151
01:49:35,000 --> 01:49:36,000
says aren't they cousins? 
Aren't we? 

2152
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:37,480
They're not brothers. 
They're absolutely cousins. 

2153
01:49:37,480 --> 01:49:38,960
They're not brothers. 
My bad. 

2154
01:49:39,480 --> 01:49:42,200
It's so funny to think about 
that They're they're like nearly

2155
01:49:42,200 --> 01:49:43,640
the same age. 
They have the same name. 

2156
01:49:43,640 --> 01:49:46,080
They're from the fame family. 
But yeah, they're cousins, not 

2157
01:49:46,080 --> 01:49:50,400
brothers. 
So the other clue is that the 

2158
01:49:50,400 --> 01:49:54,640
moments before the corpse is 
brought in, Ramsey is the one 

2159
01:49:54,640 --> 01:49:57,760
who walks in, is the last one to
walk in before that, and he's 

2160
01:49:57,760 --> 01:50:00,880
just buckling his sword belt on.
So maybe it's a clue that he had

2161
01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:02,840
just been up to no good or 
something like that. 

2162
01:50:03,680 --> 01:50:05,200
It's a decent theory. 
Yeah. 

2163
01:50:05,200 --> 01:50:08,000
I mean, a sham makes a good 
point that yeah, it's just him. 

2164
01:50:08,040 --> 01:50:11,480
He's taking his shot when he 
can, even if he has to take 40 

2165
01:50:11,480 --> 01:50:13,760
more shots later. 
Or maybe he doesn't. 

2166
01:50:13,760 --> 01:50:15,840
Maybe he only has to take 20 
more shots or 10. 

2167
01:50:16,120 --> 01:50:19,560
Either way, yeah, it's not an 
open and shut case, let's put it

2168
01:50:19,560 --> 01:50:23,200
that way. 
Will Dane says the hooded man in

2169
01:50:23,200 --> 01:50:25,160
Winterfell. 
It says, it says, it says he's 

2170
01:50:25,160 --> 01:50:27,680
wearing a hooded cloak flapping 
behind him. 

2171
01:50:27,680 --> 01:50:30,680
It doesn't say the hood is up. 
And this is in reference to me 

2172
01:50:30,680 --> 01:50:34,080
saying he might not be able to 
identify who the person is 

2173
01:50:34,080 --> 01:50:37,480
because the hood is over. 
So that would preclude him from 

2174
01:50:37,480 --> 01:50:40,120
necessarily identifying the 
person on site. 

2175
01:50:40,760 --> 01:50:42,760
That's a good point. 
I went and reread the the 

2176
01:50:42,760 --> 01:50:44,720
passage. 
It is not explicit that the hood

2177
01:50:44,720 --> 01:50:47,280
is up. 
I would guess the hood is up 

2178
01:50:47,280 --> 01:50:51,520
because it's really damn cold 
and the the snow is blowing 

2179
01:50:51,520 --> 01:50:53,040
around. 
You would think the hood would 

2180
01:50:53,040 --> 01:50:55,680
be up. 
But yeah, it it doesn't have to 

2181
01:50:55,680 --> 01:50:56,800
be. 
It doesn't. 

2182
01:50:56,800 --> 01:51:00,600
It's not an automatic. 
From our Quaithe episode, 

2183
01:51:00,800 --> 01:51:04,360
Aramka, 87, says Danny's isn't 
much of A reader, according to 

2184
01:51:04,360 --> 01:51:05,800
George. 
That's a good point. 

2185
01:51:05,800 --> 01:51:09,080
And and this is in reference to 
Danny picking up some of the 

2186
01:51:09,080 --> 01:51:11,240
books that she's been given and 
learning some more about her 

2187
01:51:11,240 --> 01:51:13,320
family, learning more about some
of these other things that are 

2188
01:51:13,320 --> 01:51:16,200
relevant to her arc, which 
George is saying, man, maybe 

2189
01:51:16,200 --> 01:51:19,080
that won't happen because Danny 
isn't just isn't very bookish. 

2190
01:51:19,760 --> 01:51:20,680
Good point. 
Good point. 

2191
01:51:21,360 --> 01:51:24,400
Jay from nowhere says perhaps 
even Dragons must sleep refers 

2192
01:51:24,400 --> 01:51:27,040
to the death of the Dragons, 
whether that means they must 

2193
01:51:27,040 --> 01:51:29,920
sleep before being woken again 
or that they must return to 

2194
01:51:29,920 --> 01:51:31,960
their slumber again. 
Interesting. 

2195
01:51:31,960 --> 01:51:34,560
Yeah. 
So certainly metaphorically, the

2196
01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:36,800
sleeping of Dragons, you could 
say that they've been, they were

2197
01:51:36,800 --> 01:51:39,560
asleep for 150 years, sleeping 
in stone or whatever. 

2198
01:51:40,400 --> 01:51:42,680
It's, it's maybe stretching the 
metaphor a little bit. 

2199
01:51:43,200 --> 01:51:49,000
But Bran did see Dragons in ash 
eye in his, in his dream that 

2200
01:51:49,000 --> 01:51:51,040
looked like they were, you know,
they're kind of hidden or 

2201
01:51:51,040 --> 01:51:53,320
concealed or whatever. 
And you could you could argue 

2202
01:51:53,320 --> 01:51:56,480
that they were metaphorically 
sleeping, waiting for their time

2203
01:51:56,480 --> 01:51:59,880
to return because obviously Bran
was seeing if he was seeing 

2204
01:51:59,880 --> 01:52:01,920
actual Dragons, then the Dragons
weren't extinct. 

2205
01:52:01,960 --> 01:52:04,440
But it seems like that was more 
of a symbolic image or seeing 

2206
01:52:04,440 --> 01:52:06,640
the future. 
But yeah, I like the idea of 

2207
01:52:06,640 --> 01:52:09,120
slumber mixing up slumber and 
and death. 

2208
01:52:09,400 --> 01:52:12,960
Maybe they've woken up for this 
purpose, woken up metaphorically

2209
01:52:12,960 --> 01:52:15,560
in order to fight the others, 
and then at the end of it all, 

2210
01:52:15,560 --> 01:52:19,120
they'll be gone again. 
In reference to Quaithe being so

2211
01:52:19,120 --> 01:52:23,560
cryptic, Barris Aurelius says 
one possibility is she might be 

2212
01:52:23,560 --> 01:52:26,880
afraid of being overheard. 
She might be not in a place 

2213
01:52:26,880 --> 01:52:29,280
where it's entirely secret. 
She might be. 

2214
01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:30,840
There might be She might be 
worried people are listening to 

2215
01:52:30,840 --> 01:52:35,720
her or spying on her, and thus 
she speaks in language that 

2216
01:52:35,720 --> 01:52:38,280
maybe isn't so easily understood
by people who might be spying on

2217
01:52:38,280 --> 01:52:40,760
her. 
Yeah, that makes some sense. 

2218
01:52:40,760 --> 01:52:44,240
And another person, Beatay 
Bredtastic, agrees with this and

2219
01:52:44,240 --> 01:52:46,720
says, I assume Quake talks and 
riddles because someone else 

2220
01:52:46,720 --> 01:52:49,600
could be listening. 
And Danny might be able to 

2221
01:52:49,600 --> 01:52:51,800
figure these things out because 
she has some of the clues where 

2222
01:52:51,920 --> 01:52:54,960
some random listener might not 
have all the context to be able 

2223
01:52:54,960 --> 01:52:57,160
to figure out what's being said.
It's certainly possible. 

2224
01:52:57,160 --> 01:53:01,200
That's a pretty solid idea. 
I don't have a great answer as 

2225
01:53:01,200 --> 01:53:03,680
to why she talks in riddles. 
My best guess, as I said during 

2226
01:53:03,680 --> 01:53:06,400
the episode, was that she was 
trying to get Danny to figure it

2227
01:53:06,400 --> 01:53:08,920
out on her own. 
It's it's a it's a lot to take 

2228
01:53:08,920 --> 01:53:10,240
in. 
If you just say, hey, you, 

2229
01:53:10,240 --> 01:53:13,960
Danny, you're the prophesied 
savior of the world. 

2230
01:53:14,600 --> 01:53:16,880
Let's go save the world. 
Like, is she going to believe 

2231
01:53:16,880 --> 01:53:18,520
that you got to bring her along 
slowly? 

2232
01:53:19,720 --> 01:53:21,200
That's a lot to put on someone 
right away. 

2233
01:53:21,480 --> 01:53:24,400
Braun Holler says, also elected 
goes to high heart. 

2234
01:53:24,400 --> 01:53:27,840
She speaks what she sees rather 
than trying to interpret and 

2235
01:53:27,840 --> 01:53:31,760
risk interpretation like 
Melisandre and Cersei do. 

2236
01:53:31,760 --> 01:53:34,360
They both misinterpret some of 
their dreams, especially 

2237
01:53:34,360 --> 01:53:36,040
Melisandre. 
But yes, Cersei does it too with

2238
01:53:36,040 --> 01:53:37,960
the with the Maggie the Frog 
stuff. 

2239
01:53:38,320 --> 01:53:41,560
But that's a good point because 
if you're just trying to give 

2240
01:53:41,560 --> 01:53:44,400
the straight dope like this is 
what I saw in my dream, I'm not 

2241
01:53:44,400 --> 01:53:47,360
trying to interpret it. 
This is straight up what I saw. 

2242
01:53:47,360 --> 01:53:49,880
You interpret it. 
That is how the ghost of Hire 

2243
01:53:49,880 --> 01:53:52,200
communicates. 
She says exactly what she sees 

2244
01:53:52,200 --> 01:53:55,120
in her dreams, even when it's 
really obvious to us what that 

2245
01:53:55,120 --> 01:54:00,920
means, and she still speaks 
directly to what the images are 

2246
01:54:00,920 --> 01:54:02,760
in her dream. 
She does not translate it. 

2247
01:54:02,760 --> 01:54:05,480
She just says what she sees. 
So maybe that's what Quaithe is 

2248
01:54:05,480 --> 01:54:09,720
doing too to a certain degree. 
And of course Quaith isn't 

2249
01:54:09,720 --> 01:54:11,960
giving straight visions and 
predictions, so there's a little

2250
01:54:11,960 --> 01:54:14,080
bit of difference between them 
in terms of what they seem to be

2251
01:54:14,080 --> 01:54:16,240
capable of. 
But still, I like the idea. 

2252
01:54:16,400 --> 01:54:19,520
It's certainly possible giving 
the direct take rather than 

2253
01:54:19,520 --> 01:54:21,480
doing the pre interpretation so 
to speak. 

2254
01:54:22,160 --> 01:54:25,960
Magmafrost 13 Magmafrost. 
That's a good ice and fire name.

2255
01:54:26,680 --> 01:54:29,600
It seems pretty unlikely to me 
that Sorella is actually the 

2256
01:54:29,600 --> 01:54:31,160
sphinx that Eamon was dreaming 
about. 

2257
01:54:31,160 --> 01:54:33,400
It seems more likely to me that 
his dream was about the Valyrian

2258
01:54:33,400 --> 01:54:35,320
Sphinx, which is a dragon with a
human head. 

2259
01:54:35,640 --> 01:54:37,880
And the Riddle is with regards 
to the nature of Dragons. 

2260
01:54:38,160 --> 01:54:41,760
I agree with that. 
I do think that there is a 

2261
01:54:41,760 --> 01:54:44,560
mystery behind Alerus the 
Sphinx. 

2262
01:54:45,200 --> 01:54:49,680
But the whole Valyrian Sphinx 
idea, the symbol, the symbol of 

2263
01:54:49,680 --> 01:54:52,880
a dragon with a human head. 
Or even even taking that even 

2264
01:54:52,880 --> 01:54:55,400
farther, some of the Valyrian 
sphinxes are said to be 

2265
01:54:56,440 --> 01:54:59,080
specifically the product of 
blood magic, that they were 

2266
01:54:59,080 --> 01:55:02,000
actually creatures that were 
made in the time of the 

2267
01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:04,960
freehold. 
They could have a lion's body, a

2268
01:55:04,960 --> 01:55:08,360
Griffin's head, Dragon's scale, 
all sorts of different weird 

2269
01:55:08,360 --> 01:55:11,200
combos that they would call 
sphinxes because the sphinx to 

2270
01:55:11,200 --> 01:55:14,960
them is just a, it's kind of 
like a chimera, like a a being 

2271
01:55:14,960 --> 01:55:18,760
that has the parts of several 
animals, and in this case, like 

2272
01:55:19,240 --> 01:55:22,480
supernatural animals. 
So, yeah, absolutely possible. 

2273
01:55:23,000 --> 01:55:24,880
And it's one of the thing. 
It's one of the mysteries that 

2274
01:55:24,880 --> 01:55:27,440
really gets me. 
Like, what the heck is up with 

2275
01:55:27,440 --> 01:55:29,760
Alaris? 
Like, I really do not get it. 

2276
01:55:30,720 --> 01:55:33,200
I've never heard a theory that 
I'm like, oh, that's got to be 

2277
01:55:33,200 --> 01:55:34,360
it. 
I've heard some good theories, 

2278
01:55:34,360 --> 01:55:36,040
and we talked about some of them
in that episode. 

2279
01:55:36,040 --> 01:55:38,120
But that's one that really gets 
me. 

2280
01:55:38,120 --> 01:55:41,040
I just really don't feel like I 
have a strong guess on that one.

2281
01:55:41,400 --> 01:55:45,000
Merkel John also says, So that 
just struck me that Danny says, 

2282
01:55:45,120 --> 01:55:48,120
but my Dragons are roaring in 
the darkness, right? 

2283
01:55:48,120 --> 01:55:53,760
That's when they're imprisoned 
and that could be why Quentin 

2284
01:55:53,760 --> 01:55:57,240
tried to release them because 
maybe he was sent to dream by 

2285
01:55:57,240 --> 01:55:59,360
Quaithe or somebody. 
If Quaithe can send glass candle

2286
01:55:59,360 --> 01:56:01,280
dreams to Danny, which 
definitely seems to be 

2287
01:56:01,280 --> 01:56:05,120
happening, why not someone else 
that's involved? 

2288
01:56:05,120 --> 01:56:07,800
Why not to Quentin? 
The problem with that, which 

2289
01:56:07,800 --> 01:56:11,200
Merkel John acknowledges here in
the comment, is that remember 

2290
01:56:11,200 --> 01:56:14,160
that Danny was touched by 
Quaithe on the wrist and she 

2291
01:56:14,160 --> 01:56:17,320
felt that later. 
And we we we theorized that that

2292
01:56:17,320 --> 01:56:21,160
sort of a Geo tag like she 
blocked her, added a, you know, 

2293
01:56:21,280 --> 01:56:23,600
marked her and could come back 
to that somehow. 

2294
01:56:23,600 --> 01:56:26,200
Like I can detect where you are 
because I Geo tagged you. 

2295
01:56:26,480 --> 01:56:28,600
How if that's the case, you 
didn't do that to Quentin. 

2296
01:56:28,600 --> 01:56:30,680
So it wouldn't really be as as 
possible. 

2297
01:56:30,880 --> 01:56:33,520
But I like the idea. 
I like the idea in theory that 

2298
01:56:33,800 --> 01:56:35,720
someone was pushing Quentin to 
do this. 

2299
01:56:36,280 --> 01:56:39,120
I kind of think there would be 
clues in his chapters, though, 

2300
01:56:39,120 --> 01:56:41,320
that something else was going 
on, that something was pushing 

2301
01:56:41,320 --> 01:56:43,160
him. 
It seems to be just he just 

2302
01:56:43,160 --> 01:56:46,000
wants to impress Danny. 
I think it feels like the vibe 

2303
01:56:46,000 --> 01:56:47,840
we get. 
All right, just a couple more 

2304
01:56:47,840 --> 01:56:51,080
and we'll wrap it up here. 
From the Ragnarok episode. 

2305
01:56:51,640 --> 01:56:57,360
A lot of y'all had fun watching 
me fail to pronounce Idrisil. 

2306
01:56:58,440 --> 01:57:00,000
Igdrazil. 
It's Igdrazil. 

2307
01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:01,880
Someone even spelled it out for 
me, so there you go. 

2308
01:57:02,320 --> 01:57:05,520
Kept adding another syllable. 
Yeah, because I've heard other 

2309
01:57:05,520 --> 01:57:08,080
people say it that way and I 
couldn't remember exactly how to

2310
01:57:08,080 --> 01:57:09,120
do it, but either way, I was 
wrong. 

2311
01:57:09,120 --> 01:57:15,800
So Danny the Dana, the Dreamy 
905 three says great video in 

2312
01:57:15,800 --> 01:57:17,560
German. 
We have a female sun and a male 

2313
01:57:17,560 --> 01:57:19,360
moon as well. 
So that's a good example of it's

2314
01:57:19,360 --> 01:57:21,520
unusual. 
Most of the time it's the sun 

2315
01:57:21,520 --> 01:57:24,680
that's male and the moon that's 
female in most myth traditions, 

2316
01:57:24,680 --> 01:57:29,640
but not all as we can see here. 
Dana expands saying just talk to

2317
01:57:29,640 --> 01:57:32,560
my husband about it in the 
context of Roman languages last 

2318
01:57:32,560 --> 01:57:34,160
week. 
So your timing was perfect. 

2319
01:57:34,440 --> 01:57:36,160
I guess we got it from the same 
sources. 

2320
01:57:36,160 --> 01:57:38,560
Then you also talked about the 
Indo European roots. 

2321
01:57:38,840 --> 01:57:41,600
So what are the pronouns of sun 
and moon in Farsi? 

2322
01:57:41,720 --> 01:57:43,240
That's a good question. 
I don't know. 

2323
01:57:43,800 --> 01:57:46,280
That's something we'll have to 
look up and go a little deeper. 

2324
01:57:46,280 --> 01:57:49,760
And I'm curious now, how many 
other myths, traditions or 

2325
01:57:49,760 --> 01:57:52,920
legends would ever have the sun 
as feminine? 

2326
01:57:53,760 --> 01:57:55,640
In which you would think if the 
sun is feminine, the moon is 

2327
01:57:55,920 --> 01:57:57,880
masculine. 
I wonder if there's any that 

2328
01:57:57,880 --> 01:57:59,880
have them both feminine or both 
masculine. 

2329
01:57:59,880 --> 01:58:04,520
Probably not, but that would be 
an interesting variation if it 

2330
01:58:04,520 --> 01:58:07,000
was that way. 
Randomly generated username 

2331
01:58:07,000 --> 01:58:08,080
says. 
I think it's worth mentioning 

2332
01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:10,680
that Tolkien borrowed from many 
different mythologies, including

2333
01:58:10,680 --> 01:58:14,440
Catholicism and the old 
Anglo-Saxon beliefs, but also in

2334
01:58:14,440 --> 01:58:17,200
lesser amounts the good old 
Greco Roman, and in a 

2335
01:58:17,200 --> 01:58:19,920
significant amount the Finnish 
mythology, which is distinct and

2336
01:58:19,920 --> 01:58:24,480
separate from Norse equivalent 
that I was aware of. 

2337
01:58:24,480 --> 01:58:26,320
All of those except for the 
Finnish mythology. 

2338
01:58:26,320 --> 01:58:28,440
I don't know anything about 
Finnish mythology. 

2339
01:58:28,880 --> 01:58:31,240
I'm sure there's some 
connections to Norse mythology 

2340
01:58:31,240 --> 01:58:35,600
because, well, Scandinavia 
includes Finland and Norse 

2341
01:58:35,760 --> 01:58:38,280
mythology includes pretty much 
all Scandinavia, so there might 

2342
01:58:38,280 --> 01:58:41,360
be some overlap there, something
for me to look into more 

2343
01:58:41,360 --> 01:58:44,120
thoroughly at another time. 
So I'm glad for the tip there. 

2344
01:58:44,440 --> 01:58:46,720
They also add, unfortunately, 
little remains of the old 

2345
01:58:46,720 --> 01:58:49,200
beliefs of the ancient Britons 
before the Roman period. 

2346
01:58:49,480 --> 01:58:54,400
But there were Tolkien had other
British epics to lean on. 

2347
01:58:54,400 --> 01:58:56,360
So yeah, it's true the the 
Romans were pretty thorough in 

2348
01:58:56,360 --> 01:58:57,800
getting rid of a lot of that old
stuff. 

2349
01:58:58,120 --> 01:58:59,840
That's why we don't know 
anything about the Druids for 

2350
01:58:59,840 --> 01:59:04,600
the most part. 
For example, Khaled 91 says how 

2351
01:59:04,600 --> 01:59:06,800
come whenever fantasy is 
discussed, people never bring up

2352
01:59:06,800 --> 01:59:09,280
the completed memory, Sorrow and
Thorn fantasy series by Tad 

2353
01:59:09,280 --> 01:59:10,920
Williams. 
I have actually brought up Tad 

2354
01:59:10,920 --> 01:59:14,080
Williams a few times throughout 
the History of History of 

2355
01:59:14,080 --> 01:59:18,040
Westeros podcast, but Khaled 91,
unless you've listened to like 

2356
01:59:18,040 --> 01:59:20,280
every episode of ours, you could
easily have missed that because 

2357
01:59:20,280 --> 01:59:23,080
we've got like 500 episodes and 
I've probably mentioned it like 

2358
01:59:23,080 --> 01:59:27,600
four or five times. 
But I think Tad Williams does 

2359
01:59:27,600 --> 01:59:29,920
deserve a huge amount of credit 
for being one of the main 

2360
01:59:29,920 --> 01:59:33,120
inspirations, not just for A 
Song of Ice and Fire, but for 

2361
01:59:33,120 --> 01:59:35,200
the structure of A Song of Ice 
and Fire. 

2362
01:59:35,480 --> 01:59:39,800
Tad Williams did POV style for 
Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn, and 

2363
01:59:39,800 --> 01:59:43,560
George was struck by that as a 
great device for what he wanted 

2364
01:59:43,560 --> 01:59:45,240
to do. 
Obviously he's not the only one 

2365
01:59:45,240 --> 01:59:51,040
to do POV style, but I believe 
it was George's first time 

2366
01:59:51,040 --> 01:59:54,360
reading POV Silence fantasy. 
I could be wrong about that, 

2367
01:59:54,640 --> 01:59:56,760
check me if I'm wrong. 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm

2368
01:59:56,760 --> 01:59:59,680
pretty sure that's right. 
I I have read all of the Tad 

2369
01:59:59,680 --> 02:00:01,920
Williams novels in Memory 
Sovereign Thorne, plus the 

2370
02:00:01,920 --> 02:00:03,960
trilogy quadrilogy that comes 
after it. 

2371
02:00:04,160 --> 02:00:06,600
That's a funny anecdote. 
Memory Sovereign Thorne was 

2372
02:00:06,600 --> 02:00:09,520
supposed to be a trilogy. 
It was 4 books. 

2373
02:00:09,840 --> 02:00:11,360
Tad Williams. 
Like yeah I couldn't finish it. 

2374
02:00:11,360 --> 02:00:13,480
I had to do longer because 
George would understand that 

2375
02:00:13,480 --> 02:00:15,200
too. 
And then he did a second 

2376
02:00:15,200 --> 02:00:17,200
trilogy. 
But at the beginning of the 

2377
02:00:17,200 --> 02:00:21,720
third book, it says he wrote an 
author's note that says I have 

2378
02:00:21,720 --> 02:00:23,960
once again failed to write a 
trilogy. 

2379
02:00:25,200 --> 02:00:27,400
So both trilogy's are actually 
four books. 

2380
02:00:27,400 --> 02:00:29,680
So Memory, Sorrow and Thorn is a
great series. 

2381
02:00:29,840 --> 02:00:32,320
You will recognize a lot of the 
Easter eggs from George. 

2382
02:00:32,320 --> 02:00:33,640
You will. 
You'll catch a lot of 

2383
02:00:33,640 --> 02:00:37,120
references, a lot of things that
he nodded to or borrowed. 

2384
02:00:37,840 --> 02:00:40,760
And that's fun by itself, but 
the story's actually quite solid

2385
02:00:40,760 --> 02:00:44,520
on its own. 
LED 91 says maybe this is a a a 

2386
02:00:44,680 --> 02:00:46,720
no one mentions him as a 
possibility to finish the 

2387
02:00:46,720 --> 02:00:48,560
series. 
If, if, but I don't know if we 

2388
02:00:48,560 --> 02:00:50,280
need to go there right now 
anyway. 

2389
02:00:50,520 --> 02:00:52,240
Certainly a better choice than 
Brandon Sanderson. 

2390
02:00:52,480 --> 02:00:55,560
But I also recommend the second 
quadrilogy. 

2391
02:00:55,600 --> 02:00:58,040
It's it's set 30 years after 
Memory, Starwin Thorne, a lot of

2392
02:00:58,040 --> 02:01:00,160
the same characters, obviously 
the same world. 

2393
02:01:00,440 --> 02:01:02,160
It's really solid. 
I liked it a lot. 

2394
02:01:02,160 --> 02:01:05,800
So I recommend that you can 
always go to our web page and go

2395
02:01:05,800 --> 02:01:08,480
to our Amazon links and buy the 
books through there and let us 

2396
02:01:08,480 --> 02:01:10,720
know what you think. 
If you enjoy them as much as I 

2397
02:01:10,720 --> 02:01:13,400
did, I would love to hear that. 
You could e-mail us or or jump 

2398
02:01:13,400 --> 02:01:15,880
on our discord and and tell 
people what you thought. 

2399
02:01:16,600 --> 02:01:19,320
Two last comments from Jay from 
nowhere. 

2400
02:01:19,480 --> 02:01:23,160
One is thank you Jamie Lannister
and that's in reference to the 

2401
02:01:23,160 --> 02:01:25,440
burning of King's Landing, 
obviously for being a King 

2402
02:01:25,440 --> 02:01:26,840
Slayer. 
Good job Jamie. 

2403
02:01:27,240 --> 02:01:30,880
And then the lack of unbiased, 
empirically factual histories is

2404
02:01:30,880 --> 02:01:33,640
what makes this universe so 
fascinating to discuss. 

2405
02:01:34,000 --> 02:01:37,200
I thought that was a very good 
comment to end on. 

2406
02:01:37,440 --> 02:01:41,920
I fully agree 110%. 
It's great, George's craft. 

2407
02:01:41,920 --> 02:01:44,080
It's such a wonderful world. 
It's why we're able to keep 

2408
02:01:44,080 --> 02:01:46,480
talking about this stuff. 
Where are we able to just, we 

2409
02:01:46,480 --> 02:01:49,320
have endless topics, endless 
connections to the real world, 

2410
02:01:49,320 --> 02:01:52,320
endless parallels, endless fun. 
So thanks y'all for 

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participating. 
Thanks you all for sending 

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questions or responding or just 
being here and supporting us. 

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There's a lot of ways to do that
and we appreciate whichever 

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one's worked for you. 
We have an Instagram. 

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Don't forget the history of 
Westeros and make sure to take 

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our survey bit dot LY how survey
history of Westeros survey, how 

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survey bit dot LY how survey. 
It's in the description. 

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You can also we'd love it if you
take that survey. 

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It'll help us improve our show, 
get feedback as to what you guys

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like or maybe don't like, and it
helps us fine tune things a bit.

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It's great data for us as a as a
podcast to understand what you 

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guys prefer and it's just really
helpful. 

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We'd appreciate if you could 
spend a couple minutes taking 

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that. 
And once again, if you're going 

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to be in New York for New York 
Comic Con, make sure to hit us 

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up. 
We'd love to say hi. 

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And that's about it. 
Let's look at the poll. 

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What happened there? 
What, what did most people think

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is the, is the show going to use
the same music? 

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Michelle is looking that up 
right now. 

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Looks like not nearly as many 
said yes as I thought. 

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It was almost an exact 2/3 
split. 

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Two people, two out of three 
people said yes, 68%, almost 2 

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out of 3, and 32% said no. 
So I'm in the yes category. 

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What do you think? 
So you think they'll keep that 

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music? 
No. 

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No. 
You think they'll change it? 

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OK, I don't know. 
I think, I think people said 

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Ramin Jawadi wasn't probably 
doing the music for Night of the

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Seven Kingdoms. 
I saw her. 

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I don't know. 
So if he doesn't do it, then 

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maybe he won't. 
But I don't know, Maybe I'm just

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wishful thinking. 
I really want them to let go of 

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the song. 
Right. 

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OK. 
Well, we'll see what happens. 

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Obviously time will tell. 
By January or so, we'll know. 

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Maybe they'll maybe it'll leak 
before that, whether there's 

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something new. 
But yeah, lots to look forward 

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to, lots more to come. 
We will be getting back to just 

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regular book topics and then the
and the throughout the end of 

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the year. 
And you know what to do until 

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next time. 
Thanks on behalf of Ashea. 

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I'm Aziz. 
Don't forget to check out 

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Michael Klarfeld. 
KLARADO x.de is how you spell 

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it. 
Clara dox.de. 

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That's you can get with these 
maps. 

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You can download them yourself 
and get them printed out. 

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And we love them. 
We love ours, and I'm sure 

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you'll love them too if you get 
them and you know what to do. 

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Until next time, my friends. 
Valar Riritis.