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George R Martin once said in 
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five year gap, If a 12 year old 
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so be it. 
The natural first thought here 

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is one of the Starks, or maybe 
Danny. 

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But the only Stark who is in the
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five year gap is Aria. 
The rest are older and Danny as 

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well as older. 
They are 12 well past 12 

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already, unless you're talking 
about Bran, who is well less 

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than 12, and Rick on even more. 
So a character who was very 

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clearly part of George's plans 
for after the five year gap is 

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our subject today, Lord Edrick 
Dane of Starfall. 

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He's 12 when we first meet him, 
and without the gap, he, you 

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know, could be one year older at
most by now. 

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But he was 12 when George made 
that comment. 

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But already he's been subtly 
shown to be formidable. 

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So George won't have to stretch 
if he wants to have this 12 year

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old take over the world. 
Which of course we don't mean 

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that literally. 
He doesn't mean that literally 

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no one's going to take over the 
world. 

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But Barrack was killed 6 times. 
Edrick was likely by his side 

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for several of those, yet like 
Thoros of Mirror is apparently 

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hard to kill. 
How's Dane has always been a big

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part of George's plans, Edrick 
aside in a manner that indicates

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their role is for later in the 
story. 

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The Danes aren't a big part of 
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until Dark Star came along, they
weren't really part of the drama

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in Dorne either. 
During the war, Edrick was an 

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outlaw, though he didn't begin 
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He was a King's man like Barrick
and the rest, and the world 

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turned upside down for them, as 
they said. 

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How's Dane were and certainly 
are a part of some of the 

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biggest mysteries raised since 
the start of the story. 

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What's up with the sword? 
What does Edric know about 

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Arthur Aschara, the Tower of 
Joy? 

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John's parentage, the history of
his house itself is a compelling

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topic, and surely he has been 
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heritage that so far we haven't 
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It's something they're proud of 
after all, something that wins 

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them respect amongst Westeros's 
noble culture, because the more 

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ancient your family line is, the
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And Edrik's lineage is arguably 
as old as it gets. 

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The Lords of Starfall have a 
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family in Westeros, or close 
enough that no one can say 

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otherwise. 
It may not be true, and like I 

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said, it's not provable, but 
they do have that claim and it's

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hard to argue against that. 
Furthermore, Edrick Dane is the 

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only character so far that has 
been Squire to an Undead Knight,

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the only firewhite in the story 
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John might be about to be there,
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encounter each other. 
What a strange thing. 

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That might be strange and 
interesting because, well, 

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Edrick will have had experience 
with this in a way that no one 

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else has. 
And at his age too, that makes 

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it particularly interesting. 
There's really nothing like him 

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in a world of detailed and 
unique characters. 

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Ned Dane's circumstances, 
background, meta considerations,

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planned role, I mean, he touched
his own aspects of the story and

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the world that only the Starks 
approach. 

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And his story is deeply entwined
with them, especially Arya and 

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Jon Snow. 
All that and more on this 

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episode of History of Westeros 
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this one. 
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pick up that for me. 
Here is the trivia question to 

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start us off. 
I will reveal the answer at the 

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end, but the answer is also 
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you're paying close attention. 
How old was Edrick Dane when he 

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became Lord Barracks Paid? 
Is the question. 

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Let us now turn to the different
sections of this episode. 

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I will read you those and then 
we'll get to it. 

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We have our setup, which 
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and 1st mention of Edric Gain. 
Then we have a history of Edric 

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Starfall to Black Haven and to 
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Then we have King's Men, which 
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Banners in their initial role. 
A Squire to the undead to outlaw

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the duel. 
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No Barrack, no Brotherhood, 12 
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morning question mark and. 
That'll be it. 

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Hope you enjoy this episode, 
let's get to it. 

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We have a poll to start us off. 
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you're catching the episode on 
Spotify, the poll will appear 

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there as well. 
Will Edrick Dane wield Dawn? 

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Simple yes No2 choices. 
Will he wield it or no? 

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Doesn't matter if he wields it 
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wield it at all. 
I don't mean just, you know, 

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touch it, hold it, but will he 
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it at somebody or carry it into 
battle with him, that kind of 

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thing. 
First appearance and mention, 

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his actual first mention is in 
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Thrones, so he is certainly not 
a character bolted on later. 

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In fact, the appendix page 
dedicated to the Martels also 

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includes Ario Hota and Maester 
Kaliot. 

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So those are characters that 
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but they are there and under the
his Knights and Lords Bannerman 

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section of House Martel, it says
Edric Dane, Lord of Starfall and

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nobody else. 
There's no other Knights and 

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bannerman for Dorn. 
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houses of Dorn after that and 
that's where you get all the 

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names you would expect, but it 
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So only one Lord of Dorn is 
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and he's a Prince really so and 
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So that's that's telling in a 
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Certainly proves that he was 
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beginning. 
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mean his plans for Edrick 
haven't changed in in fact, he's

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one of the most likely 
characters we can point to whose

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plans George has changed, and 
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the five year gap, but not only 
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So that is a question we're 
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throughout this episode. 
How much did he change it? 

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How much and what will he change
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What's the context of these 
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So we'll try to get into that 
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It's not a single question, 
something that we will come back

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to on and off. 
Here's the first appearance 

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quote. 
Your sword you shall have 

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declared Lord Barrack, but your 
innocence must be your armor. 

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Clegane's mouth twitched. 
My. 

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Innocence against your 
breastplate, is that the way of 

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it? 
Ned, help me remove my 

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breastplate. 
Arya got goosebumps when Lord 

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Barrack said her father's name. 
But this Ned was only a boy, a 

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fair haired Squire, no more than
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He stepped up quickly to undo 
the clasps that fastened the 

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battered steel about the martyr 
Lord. 

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George draws attention to the 
matching nicknames, which has a 

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subtle implication. 
It kicks off some thoughts in 

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Arya's mind, which leads to 
eventually her discussing some 

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things with Edrick that are 
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We'll talk about those a little 
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There's also an implication of 
familiarity. 

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Ned Nina points out here. 
Barrick doesn't refer to Edrick 

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as Edrick it or my Lord or 
anything like that, which is 

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often how 1 Lord speaks to 
another. 

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Even though he's a Squire, he is
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He's equal to Barrick in terms 
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in a subordinate position as his
Squire. 

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But Ned is is a nickname. 
It's an affectionate thing. 

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It's it's a something that shows
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other. 
You know that that kind of 

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familiarity. 
That's to the point where they 

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have dispensed with the normal 
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this regular day-to-day speech 
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Also it's pretty interesting 
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squiring for a marcher Lord his.
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each other. 
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Dondurians wouldn't have fought 
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Danes are western Dorn, so they 
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ancient enemies of the Tarly's 
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areas in the Reach rather than 
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But still, Dornish versus 
Reacher is a that's still an 

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enemy over thousands of years. 
Here's the first time he 

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actually speaks. 
Edrick Dane does and it's a 

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great intro. 
You have a house. 

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That was stupid. 
He was a Squire. 

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Of course he had a house. 
Who are you? 

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My lady. 
Ned looked embarrassed. 

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I'm Edrick Dane, the the Lord of
Starfall. 

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There's a lot in those two 
sentences or so that big brief 

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exchange if we learn that he's a
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didn't know that prior to this 
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If it's your first read and his 
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sudden is is telling right? 
That part just the nickname, 

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which is itself like, wait, Ned?
Why is he called Ned? 

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I mean, shouldn't the Danes be 
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Stark? 
Why would they nickname the heir

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to their house the same thing as
this guy who's a, you know, 

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controversial figure in their 
history? 

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That's very telling, isn't it? 
Not in a way that Arya would 

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detect, but for us readers, 
it's. 

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Whoa, wait, what's up that? 
Also, it shows us that he's a 

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little shy. 
It gives us a little insight to 

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his personality. 
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Lords of Westeros would be proud
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So he's also modest. 
Maybe it's shyness, but it's 

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also he's not this blustering, a
typical character that you see. 

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That's a little awkward for Ned.
Maybe he's not typically 

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recognized as a Lord. 
He's maybe a little shy about 

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that too, given the way he 
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basically pointing out who he 
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I it comes off to me as he 
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he's so much higher born than 
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He thinks it's like, it's like 
it's like embarrassing for him 

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to be like, yes, I'm so much 
better than you. 

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I'm not actually saying I'm 
better than you. 

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But if I tell you I'm Lord Dane,
then that has implications. 

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But I'm not trying to, I'm not 
trying to give you those 

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implications. 
I'm actually an A humble kid, 

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you know, but it's hard to get 
that right away, right? 

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He has to, you have to learn 
that about him. 

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There's not a lot of other 
Edricks in the story. 

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There's Edrick Storm, of course,
who is a good example of someone

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that's very proud of his 
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It's it's notable that Davos, I 
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Storm loves to remember who his 
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remember his the circumstances 
of his birth. 

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And yeah, so this is very 
different. 

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Edrick Storm way prouder of his 
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way more outspoken about it than
Edrick Dane, who is actually of 

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a Lord of Starfall. 
That's a character who might 

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make for a solid parallel, 
someone who George may have 

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introduced to help set up a 12 
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not Conqueror, if not Wielder of
Dawn. 

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If not, well, who knows lots of 
other great things that a 13 

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year old who's just had a growth
spurt, which George would 

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probably do if he's going that 
route. 

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So think about bloody Ben 
Blackwood. 

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Even younger. 
Actually became Lord at age 11. 

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Also shy and sensitive. 
Also very capable, though in the

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field, especially so perhaps in 
a category of characters who 

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don't like or even hate war but 
are good at it anyway. 

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Rhaegar Targaryen's another one.
Ned Stark too, another worthy 

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comparison. 
Now, his lordship came at 18, he

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wasn't quite as young, but he 
also isn't someone that likes 

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war, or he's not someone that's 
particularly violent. 

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He's good at it, he'll do what 
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going to seek it out. 
So Edrick is 12 in the scene. 

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Like we said, our guess he's 10 
or 12. 

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He is 12. 
He might be 13 now. 

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Two whole books have passed 
since that scene, but whatever, 

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not a big difference. 
It's unclear how long he's been 

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Lord of Starfall. 
He wasn't Lord of Starfall when 

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he left to become Lord Barrack's
page when he was 7, but at some 

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point in between the five years 
since then, he became Lord. 

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Now he's not described as big, 
but remember what happens when 

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the Brotherhood Without Banners 
before their the Brotherhood 

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Without Banners gets ambushed by
Gregor and his men. 

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Barrett gets lanced by Gregor 
and falls into the river and 

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Barrett and Edrick pulls him out
of the river. 

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That's a man in full armor 
soaked wet. 

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So he's a heavier because of the
water. 

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So that would take a little bit 
of strength. 

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I think, you know, that's not a 
job for a weakling. 

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Ari describes him not as big or 
tall, but she does think of him 

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as not small because she's 
surprised that he isn't. 

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She thinks Dornish men are 
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swarthy, and he is neither. 
She notes that his hair is pale,

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more ash than honey. 
So yeah, very like grayish. 

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Maybe not quite silvery, not as 
lustrous as the Targaryens. 

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But we all have heard this 
before about the Danes, that 

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some of them have this color 
hair. 

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She also notes that he's very 
polite and well spoken, and she 

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appreciates that Gendry doesn't 
think Gendry's a little jealous.

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Hey, there's some very humorous 
conversations between the three 

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of them. 
Arya throws crab apples at 

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Gendry for being rude, and 
Gendry says, well, at least your

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father raised his bastard. 
Mine's probably some smelly 

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drunk. 
Right you are, Gendry, and he 

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didn't raise you. 
Good point. 

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Let's go back in time before 
that scene to talk about a 

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history of Edrick. 
He was born in 287, so three to 

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four years after Robert's 
Rebellion. 

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Notably, this means he never 
knew Sir Arthur or the 

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mysterious Lady Ashara. 
He also didn't likely know his 

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own father very well because, as
we said, he was sent off when he

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was 7 and then his father would 
have died within a few years. 

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So that's all the experience he 
had with his father, which to me

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suggests that Barack Dondarian 
becomes his father figure. 

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More on that later. 
We don't know this father's 

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name. 
Oddly enough, we know all the 

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others. 
We know Arthur, Arthur, Ashara, 

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and Illyria. 
So good chance his name starts 

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with an A, right? 
So we'll call him Lord Dane A or

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a Lord Dane. 
So yeah, those are his younger 

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siblings. 
So we also don't know who his 

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wife was. 
We don't know his first name or 

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his wife, so we don't know what 
other house Edrick descends 

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from. 
Not super important necessarily,

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but we would like to know. 
Maybe we will one day. 

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It's possible she was a second 
wife. 

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It's also possible Edrick had 
older siblings who were killed 

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during Robert's Rebellion or 
something like that. 

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Because he's pretty young to be 
a first born, right? 

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This is his age is way high. 
He he's it's seems like he would

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have been born when his father 
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if not already in his 40s. 
So that's that's telling. 

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So we don't think he has any 
siblings or living siblings. 

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Some highborn women pass on 
breastfeeding and have wet 

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nurses no matter what. 
But apparently Edrick's mother 

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legitimately just couldn't. 
She just didn't have milk, 

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apparently. 
Maybe she had some health 

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issues, who knows. 
Illyria, his aunt, is the one 

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living member of his branch of 
the family that we know of, so 

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he may he might have uncles and 
aunts or something like that. 

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Other cousins. 
Dark Star is a cousin, but a 

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distant cousin. 
He's a Dane of High Hermitage, 

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not a Dane of Starfall. 
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but her betrothal to Lord 
Barrack happened at the same 

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time that Edrick was sent to be 
a page for Berrick and they 

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never got married. 
It was a betrothal that was 

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never completed. 
It was never never got to the 

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marriage stage. 
Which implies she was young, 

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that there's other reasons they 
didn't get married. 

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Quite possibly, but this is I 
think is the most likely that 

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she wasn't 16 yet. 
And then, you know, but the war 

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happens and Berrick goes off and
stuff happens, and now he's not 

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really a great candidate for 
marriage anymore at that point. 

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Then he's gone. 
So not a candidate at all. 

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So that's a little interesting 
though, that Illyria might be as

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much as like 20 years younger 
than Ashara and Arthur and 

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Edrick's father. 
There's a lot of theories out 

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there that Illyria is not their 
sister, but a daughter of Ashara

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and Ned. 
I doubt that, but the fact that 

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George has kept a lot of this 
fairly hidden, clearly intending

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it to be revealed later that 
lack of clarity is where a lot 

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of this room for theorizing 
comes from. 

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But to me, I think it's just 
more likely that yeah, they just

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his the father remarried and 
just had a second child with a 

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different mother. 
So maybe Illyria is 1/2 brother 

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or half sister to Ashara and 
Arthur and Edrick's father. 

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Now Nina does supply some other 
possibilities. 

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The the too young thing is not 
the only option. 

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The political circumstances 
could have changed between her 

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being betrothed and the time of 
the main novels. 

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For example, there's no other 
Dane siblings or cousins for 

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Edrick, and no other living 
aunts or uncles beyond Illyria. 

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It's possible that Illyria was 
betrothed before she became the 

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heiress presumptive to Starfall.
She might be second in line to 

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inherit Starfall, in which case 
the Danes would not want that 

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marriage to go through because 
then the Darndarians would 

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inherit Starfall most likely. 
So they don't want that to 

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happen. 
That's a very good reason to to 

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delayed America. 
I think that's a really good 

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reason. 
Yes, that's a very good reason. 

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Yeah. 
So it's also possible that both 

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are true. 
She could be too young and the 

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heir to * heir presumptive to 
Starfall, which is a chintzy 

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situation for the inheritance. 
So yeah, there's lots of 

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possibilities here that go 
beyond some conspiracy to 

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conceal parentage, but that also
is possible. 

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We can't throw that out. 
Yeah. 

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Edrick becomes uncomfortable 
when talking about this subject.

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He's like, yeah, my and Illyria 
was is betrothed to Lord 

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Barrack, but that happened 
before. 

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He doesn't really know how to 
finish the sentence. 

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And it's like before he died. 
Yeah, Barrack's undead. 

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He does not make for a good 
husband anymore. 

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He living. 
He made for a great one. 

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I think, you know, who knows 
what he's like in a 

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relationship, but the man was 
just absolutely upstanding and 

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honorable and all that. 
So instead of a Dondarian 

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marrying a Dane, which. 
Almost happened here back in the

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time of Daron the Second. 
Daron the Good Baylor brakes 

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beer. 
His first born son married Jenna

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Dondarian, while another of his 
sons, Makar, married Deanna 

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Dane. 
Now this is also has political 

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implications. 
Daron the Good was trying to 

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create peace in the realm and 
part of that was to balance the 

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issues between Dorne and what 
his what Daron the First had 

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done invading Dorne. 
There's still a lot of problems 

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from that. 
So what you see here is Darren 

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marrying 2 of his sons, 21 to a 
donde, 21 to a martyr Lord and 

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one to Adain Adornish House. 
So keeping them both happy, 

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bringing them both into the 
royal fold, making them in laws 

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of each other. 
They're not that close. 

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They didn't marry each other, 
but they're both now connected 

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to the same royal family. 
So that's a very strong impetus 

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for them to behave and to keep 
the peace right now, of course, 

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as a lot of y'all may be aware, 
all current Targaryens descend 

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from Makar and Deanna Dane. 
Since Baylor's line didn't 

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continue, his two sons died in 
the Great Spring Sickness. 

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So that means even Daenerys has 
some Dane in her. 

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It's, you know, several 
generations back, but you know, 

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it, it might matter, might come 
up as like a point of interest 

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if, say, for example, Danny was 
ever to meet Edric Dane. 

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It's like, hey, we have some 
distant ancestry. 

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We are actually related. 
We're actually distant cousins 

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might matter. 
Starfall. 

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He was born in Starfall, so 
that's where we start with his 

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timeline, his chronology. 
There's a point of interest from

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almost the moment he's born. 
Since we're told that Willa was 

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his net, was his wet nurse. 
I almost said net worth. 

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What's a net worth? 
That's a bad net. 

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Don't go fishing With that, he 
tells Aria that he is Jon Snow's

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milk brothers. 
She's like, wait, what milk 

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brother? 
You're not related. 

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She doesn't know what that 
means. 

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He explains that milk brothers, 
not Blood Brothers. 

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Edrick is about four years 
younger than John. 

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Now this is notable because 
Willa went to Winterfell with 

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Ned Stark as nurse as wet nurse 
to Jon Snow, right? 

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Which Edrick is Speaking of here
to Winterfell. 

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Willa lived at Winterfell for 
several years. 

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To be wet nurse for Edrick. 
She had to go back to Starfall. 

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Not strange, not hard to 
believe. 

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But you might not have noticed 
that once John was weaned, it 

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seems she went back to Starfall.
And there's other reasons she 

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might have gone back. 
That's where she's from, so she 

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might have just wanted to go 
home. 

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It's cold up there. 
Actually, I don't like it up 

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here. 
It's the North. 

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Also, there may have been some 
drama, right? 

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Catelyn might not have liked 
her. 

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There's rumor, you know, Catlin 
and other people trying to suss 

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out the deal here and and Ned 
trying to shut all that down 

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never mention the name of Shara 
again. 

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So if he's thinking that people 
are trying to figure out things 

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from Willa, it would make sense 
to send her away so that no 

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other Northerner could ask her 
those questions. 

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If she's not there, she can't be
grilled by grilled about her 

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history or about John's history.
And obviously that's a secret 

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Ned was very intent on keeping. 
So by the way, a weaning has a 

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different meaning in different 
parts of the world. 

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In the US, it means you're done 
nursing. 

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In the UK, it just means the 
introduction of solid food. 

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So it's very, very different 
now. 

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It fits the timeline very well. 
We, like we said, Edrick is 4 

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years younger than John, and 
John could have easily been 

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weaned by age 4 or close enough 
that it makes no matter. 

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Now, Catelyn does remember that 
when she asked about John's 

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origins, Charles Dane's name was
never spoken again in 

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Winterfell, according to her, 
and in part that would be 

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because Willow was sent away. 
Willow was certainly not there 

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by the time Catelyn has that 
thought in her first chapter in 

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00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,840
A Game of Thrones, which would 
be more than a decade since she 

447
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,960
went back to Starfall, or about 
a decade, Yeah, maybe like 11 

448
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,120
years. 
So all fits very well. 

449
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,640
And Edra confirms to Ari that 
Willa served his family for 

450
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,440
years and years since before I 
was born. 

451
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,320
So she's probably up there now. 
She's probably no longer a wet 

452
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,160
nurse because, you know, you 
don't think you can be a wet 

453
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:09,560
nurse when you're like 50 years 
old. 

454
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,640
And if she had served his family
for years and years before he 

455
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,120
was born and she was obviously 
John's nose a wet nurse, well, 

456
00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:16,960
that's already 20 years on top 
of how old she was. 

457
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,640
So she'd at least be in the in 
her 40s, I think. 

458
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:22,800
What does milk brothers actually
mean? 

459
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,240
Let's talk about that because 
it's a little confusing. 

460
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,600
At one point, George in an 
interview or at a convention, I 

461
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,440
don't remember the 
circumstances, he said that 

462
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,040
Edrick was stretching the 
definition of milk brothers 

463
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:38,640
because to him, in George's 
world, apparently milk brothers 

464
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,800
are nursing off of the same 
woman at the same time. 

465
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,080
But honestly, I think George got
it wrong because that's not how 

466
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,280
it works in the real world. 
In the real world, most of the 

467
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,960
time, a wet nurse is just 
nursing one person at a time. 

468
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,200
And it stands to reason because 
here's how it goes, right? 

469
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,320
Let me, let me lay this out for 
you and it's going to make a lot

470
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,320
of sense. 
Most of the time wet nurses work

471
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,800
for a rich family, right. 
OK. 

472
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,640
The wet nurse lives with them. 
Well, unless there's multiple 

473
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,280
babies, there's only one rich 
child to be nursing. 

474
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,560
Maybe there's a, maybe there's a
four year old and a one year 

475
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,240
old. 
So, yeah, sometimes there's two,

476
00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:15,200
but sometimes they'll hire two 
different wet nurses 'cause I 

477
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,520
mean, it is a lot, it is a lot 
of nutritional, you know, 

478
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,840
necessity there. 
There's a lot going on. 

479
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,120
So in the body, it's, it's 
taxing on the woman. 

480
00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:24,760
So yeah. 
Rich women have been paying. 

481
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:29,680
For wet nurses since longer than
we have records of it, it's just

482
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,880
implied to have existed for 
thousands of years now. 

483
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,640
To be fair, even though I think 
George may have gotten it wrong,

484
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,560
quote UN quote, he he can't have
gotten it wrong because this is 

485
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,320
how it works in his world. 
So apparently milk brothers in 

486
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,600
his world does tend to mean you 
were weaned or nursed at the 

487
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,680
same time. 
Let's just not get confused with

488
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:52,720
how that works in the real 
world. 11 exception in the real 

489
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,960
world that's not pleasant is 
slavery, where it's very common 

490
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,040
for slave women to be made into 
wet nurses. 

491
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,440
And of course another exception 
is twins or triplets or what 

492
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,280
have you. 
Of course, twins and triplets 

493
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,000
are part of the reason a wet 
nurse has brought in some of the

494
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,200
time. 
Maybe the mother does want to 

495
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,880
breastfeed, but I have three. 
I have triplets. 

496
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,680
Like I need help. 
You know, here's something I 

497
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,880
pulled just for fun. 
It's a wet nursing receipt, a 

498
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:23,400
receipt from the year 187 AD, 
October 13th. 

499
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,440
Can you believe that we have the
actual date? 

500
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,880
This is to me kind of funny 
because of how it starts here. 

501
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,520
I'll read it to you. 
Chozion, son of Sarapion, son of

502
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,160
Harpukratian, his mother being 
Sarapius of Oxyrinkus, to 

503
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,880
Tinetorus, daughter of Thonus 
son of Thonus, her mother being 

504
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,720
Zoilus of the same city with her
guardian Demetrius son of Horion

505
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,360
and Arsenault of the same city. 
Greeting all that, just for the 

506
00:26:48,360 --> 00:26:49,960
greeting. 
So this is like the title. 

507
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,160
This is like Daenerys title 
stuff right here, right? 

508
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,360
Anyway, it continues here. 
I acknowledge the receipt from 

509
00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:58,240
you through Heliadoris and his 
associate overseers of the bank 

510
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,920
at the Serapium near the city of
Oxarinkus, through which 

511
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,200
Epimachus made the promise of 
payment of 400 drachma, an 

512
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,960
imperial coin for wages, oil, 
clothes and all other expenses. 

513
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,680
During the two years in which my
slave Serapius nursed your 

514
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,840
daughter Helena, known as her 
father's child, who when you 

515
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,480
took her back and had been 
weaned and had received every 

516
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,640
attention and I knowledge that I
neither have nor shall have any 

517
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,480
complaint or charge to make 
against you either in connection

518
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,080
with this transaction or any 
other matter whatever up to the 

519
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,040
present time. 
This receipt is valid. 

520
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,040
Amazing, right? 
Like this. 

521
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,880
The context here is very similar
to what receipts are nowadays. 

522
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,200
It's a little more like 
contractual and it's and it's 

523
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,360
vibe, you know, it's a little 
more thorough and explaining, 

524
00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:41,960
especially the introduction of 
all the people there. 

525
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,840
Jeez, But you've got a single 
person, a slave rented out to be

526
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,200
a wet nurse to this other 
person. 

527
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,160
And the receipt, look at it, 
it's very specific, right? 

528
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,200
So anyway, the other point here 
I wanted to make is that they 

529
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:57,760
mentioned the city Oxarinkus 
twice. 

530
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:02,880
Oxarinkus is a city in Egypt 
where it has a there's thousands

531
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,960
of years of the same trash dump 
being used. 

532
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,360
And because the climate in this 
part of Egypt is so very 

533
00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:10,920
specific, the trash doesn't 
breakdown. 

534
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:12,760
It's like preserved. 
It's so dry. 

535
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,040
There's like very little 
bacteria. 

536
00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:16,560
So modern technology and what I 
mean modern, I mean like the 

537
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,640
last like 10 to 12 years they've
made great. 

538
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,200
Advancements. 
In studying that trash dump, 

539
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,640
because they find like little 
tiny fragments, papyrus and 

540
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,840
vellum, and like other types of 
ancient paper. 

541
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:29,680
And they have been painstakingly
putting all that together, 

542
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,480
piercing it together like little
puzzles, like putting together a

543
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,240
trash dump. 
And it and because of the modern

544
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,440
technology they have with, they 
can read very faint writing with

545
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,560
like laser technology and all. 
It's really fancy and and 

546
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,240
interesting. 
And that's they're slowly like, 

547
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,960
they found a whole play by 
Aristophanes in this trash dump 

548
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,320
that no one even knew existed. 
A whole play. 

549
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,400
So there's some amazing things 
coming out of this trash dump. 

550
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,400
Most of them are things like 
this receipts. 

551
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,680
But as Sam Tarly tells John, you
can tell a lot by receipts. 

552
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,400
You learn what they ate, learn 
what kind of what things cost, 

553
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,680
learn certain things about how 
their society works. 

554
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:08,680
So anyway, back to Westeros in 
either 294 or 295, that's when 

555
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,400
Edrick went to be Lord Barrick's
page and when Illyria was 

556
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,440
betrothed to Lord Barrick. 
So those things happened 

557
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,720
together. 
Barrick's pretty young too, he 

558
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,360
was 1718 or 19, whereas Edrick, 
as I said, was 7. 

559
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:24,040
So this is the same age Bran is 
at the start of the book. 7 egg 

560
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:25,600
when? 
He becomes Squire to dunk. 

561
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,600
Is 8 or 9. 
So fostering is common but not 

562
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,680
always done and less so with the
first born. 

563
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,240
The first born is more likely to
stay home and and learn directly

564
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:35,800
what's going on in their home 
castle. 

565
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,440
Obviously there's exception to 
that. 

566
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,680
Ned and Brandon were fostered, 
Benjen wasn't, but none of Ned's

567
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,280
kids were. 
Ned went to the Erie himself at 

568
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,400
8 and maybe he didn't have any 
of his kids fostered elsewhere 

569
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,600
because he saw all the 
entangling problems that caused.

570
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,800
So thinking of the name Ned, 
calling him that nickname, it's 

571
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,280
pretty poignant, isn't it? 
It's pretty curious. 

572
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,160
It certainly gets Aria's brain 
moving. 

573
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,720
It gets her thinking of her 
father, which most of us would 

574
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,240
have too, even if she hadn't 
thought of him in that moment. 

575
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,040
But it's curious, right? 
A big open question is what do 

576
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,880
the Danes think of Eddard and 
the Starks in general? 

577
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,800
Well, obviously Eddrick didn't 
have a problem with Aria and 

578
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,680
she, he didn't mention anything 
about the Danes and the Starks 

579
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:16,800
having a problem with each 
other. 

580
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,960
But ask yourself this, would the
Danes nickname the heir to 

581
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,160
Starfall Ned if they had a 
problem with Ned Stark, saw him 

582
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,160
as controversial, or straight up
hated him? 

583
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,240
That does not add up at all. 
They even if they were like 

584
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,840
ashamed of their association 
with him. 

585
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,240
This implies something positive,
not only something neutral or 

586
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,320
not negative, it implies a 
positive association with Ned 

587
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:38,760
Stark. 
Like, you would not want to hear

588
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,160
that name at all if you didn't 
like that man, or if that man 

589
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,600
was the reason that you know one
of your your sister or your 

590
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,520
daughter. 
Whoever is mad at Ned Stark for 

591
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,440
a chardae jumping off of the 
Pale Stone tower. 

592
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,160
Assuming that's connected at 
all. 

593
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,680
Either way, Ned Stark is 
definitely responsible for the 

594
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,880
death of Arthur Dayne. 
So somehow. 

595
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:01,600
They. 
Forgive him for that or 

596
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:07,920
understand it's not crazy, but 
it is very notable as we'll. 

597
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,800
See throughout this episode. 
Edrick isn't that likely. 

598
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,680
To. 
Know much of what happened at 

599
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,920
the Tower of Joy or about our 
Ashar Arthur. 

600
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:21,920
Since he wasn't alive when they 
died, he wasn't around when 

601
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,960
their secrets were happening, 
and I would can't imagine his 

602
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,760
father would want to tell him 
those things, especially at the 

603
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,320
age he was at. 
He was seven years old when he 

604
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,640
was sent off, So what secrets, 
family secrets, would have 

605
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,920
learned by that point? 
He may have, we might have a Ned

606
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,960
Stark and John situation where 
Ned eventually planned to tell 

607
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,280
John some things or had that 
thought when he's under in the 

608
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,280
black cells, like if I could 
just speak with John one more 

609
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,280
time, that might have been on 
tap for Edrick had his father 

610
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:48,200
lived long. 
He's like, well, when you're 

611
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,400
older, I'll tell you some of 
these family secrets, but that 

612
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,520
never that never happened. 
He never learned those family 

613
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,200
secrets, or at least not any of 
them. 

614
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,840
However, it's still notable what
he's been told. 

615
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,440
Whatever stories he tells, he 
says well, as John's knows 

616
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,480
mother. 
He didn't suss that out himself.

617
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,040
Illyria told him that. 
Illyria doesn't necessarily know

618
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,000
the truth either. 
Either Illyria is helping 

619
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,720
maintain the subterfuge by 
passing the lie on to Edrick, 

620
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,520
who will believe it 
uncritically, or she's been 

621
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,520
misled as well. 
She's repeating a lie, not 

622
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,520
knowing it's a lie. 
So it's all very interesting. 

623
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,920
But yeah, we're not sure. 
I'm very sure Edrick doesn't 

624
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,040
really know the truth, and he's 
not. 

625
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,360
He wasn't just like, ha ha. 
I'm going to trick Arya here by 

626
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:28,560
bringing his wheel. 
Yeah, he's not. 

627
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,640
That's extremely unlikely. 
So. 

628
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,360
So unlikely that I wouldn't even
entertain it. 

629
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:37,080
But what he knows isn't, hasn't 
been fully spoken. 

630
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,400
And even if he knows things that
aren't true, those would be 

631
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,160
interesting because that would 
mean they lied to him about 

632
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:42,480
that. 
He was like, well, what lie did 

633
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,080
they need to tell? 
Or the fact that they needed to 

634
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:48,560
lie at all is telling. 
Let's go to Black Haven. 

635
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,560
The choice. 
To send Edrick to page for 

636
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,520
Barrick and be seen as a 
strengthening of the connection 

637
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,680
between their houses. 
And they have a lot. 

638
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,440
I mean, whether it was the 
intent or not, he effectively 

639
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,600
became Edrick's father figure. 
As we said, Barrick was lured 

640
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,520
from a young age too. 
We don't know how young, but he 

641
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,480
is lured when he's gets Edrick 
as his page. 

642
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,240
He himself is maybe only 17. 
So it's entirely possible he's 

643
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,640
been lured for several years. 
In fact, that might be something

644
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,960
they have very much in common, 
both of them becoming Lord at a 

645
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,040
very young age. 
And this just kicks off a whole 

646
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:25,240
host of things they have in 
common and just personality wise

647
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,760
and and vibes and the 
implication of their closeness 

648
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:30,760
and the relationship that 
developed between them. 

649
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,760
A relationship that has to 
become a little. 

650
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,840
Weird after. 
Peric is dead so, but we'll get 

651
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,400
to that. 
Yeah, Lord Dane almost certainly

652
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,720
died while Edrick was at Black 
Haven rather than during the 

653
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,720
events of A Song of Ice and 
Fire, because we probably would 

654
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,840
have been told that Edrick would
have maybe mentioned that his 

655
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,720
father died recently or 
something like that. 

656
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,160
We don't know the circumstances 
of Lord Dane's death, but we do 

657
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,240
learn from the World of Ice and 
Fire app that it was a untimely 

658
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,920
death. 
So it wasn't like he was sick 

659
00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:02,840
for a while and he was, people 
thought, you know, maybe saw it 

660
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,440
coming. 
Now, this was this kind of a, 

661
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:10,639
oh, you know, an accident maybe.
It's certainly unusual that Ned 

662
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:13,920
Dane, after his father died, 
didn't go back to Starfall to 

663
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,280
just take up his lordship. 
He stayed with Berrick. 

664
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,880
And think about what he stayed 
with Berrick through. 

665
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,120
Like this is a kid. 
That. 

666
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,440
Was becoming an outlaw. 
That was haunted. 

667
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,679
That was sleeping in dirt, 
sleeping in caves. 

668
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:30,480
He could have gone back to 
Starfall any time he wanted and 

669
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,360
no one could have gained said 
he's like, yeah, I'm the Lord of

670
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,719
Starfall, see you guys later. 
But he did not do that, not for 

671
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,120
a long time, not till Barrick 
died. 

672
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,800
More on that later. 
There are examples of people who

673
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:45,000
stay like Robert Brathy. 
Robert Brathian stayed a Esquire

674
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,440
or a ward of John Aaron even 
after his parents died at Ship 

675
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,480
Breaker Bay. 
Bringing home patch face. 

676
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:53,920
It is his choice. 
As I said, but. 

677
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,920
He is underage, so part of the 
factor here might be that if 

678
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,760
Edrick goes back to Starfall, he
still has to. 

679
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,120
A Regent is still going to be 
ruling in his place, so maybe 

680
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,920
he'd still rather, you know, 
stay out in the world and learn 

681
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,040
experience that way rather than 
just go home and sit there while

682
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,840
someone else rules in his name. 
And if he and if? 

683
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,040
He sees Barrick as his. 
Father figure, which I'm very 

684
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,600
keen on believing. 
That's my head cannon. 

685
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,440
Then he would want to stay. 
He's a loyal. 

686
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,680
Devoted. 
Kid, he likes Berrick, he wants 

687
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,720
to keep learning from him. 
Berrick has treated him well. 

688
00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:27,640
He's, you know, fond of him, 
they're fond of each other, 

689
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,040
etcetera. 
And if the betrothal was 

690
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,400
political, Nina points out, 
perhaps motivated by divided 

691
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:35,920
loyalties during Robert 
Rebellion. 

692
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:41,520
Remember, the Dornish were on 
the Targaryen side for the most 

693
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,160
part. 
So Edrick at Blackhaven, he 

694
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,040
could be like a bit of a hostage
against the good behavior of the

695
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,440
Danes. 
On the other hand, what Danes 

696
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,720
are going to do anything other 
than Dark Star, you know, and 

697
00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:52,840
maybe that. 
But of course, when this was 

698
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,680
arranged, Edrick's father was 
still alive. 

699
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,880
So maybe they were trying to 
make sure he was, you know, 

700
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,280
behaving. 
On the other hand, there's no 

701
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,360
indication this marriage was 
arranged by somebody else. 

702
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,240
It seems like they they pulled 
it off on their own. 

703
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:07,880
Maybe anyway, Barrick would have
helped Edrick deal with the loss

704
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,560
of his father. 
He might, as we said, have very 

705
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,280
similar experience. 
Like, yeah, I lost my father at 

706
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:13,800
a young age, too. 
That's something we can bond 

707
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,200
over, something I've 
experienced. 

708
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,760
You can. 
You can trust in me on this, you

709
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,360
know you, I've been through it, 
etcetera. 

710
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,480
He may have even been Berrick. 
'S father may have. 

711
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,520
Even died younger than Hedrick's
did so and. 

712
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,640
Berrick was. 
Upstanding still is, or was 

713
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,120
until his death. 
He his whole life was upstanding

714
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:35,040
and honorable and all that so 
and he had that reputation. 

715
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,560
Ned Stark picked him to lead the
expedition against Gregor. 

716
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,040
That that wasn't random. 
Ned knew who Banner Dondarian 

717
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:43,840
was. 
He already, even he was only a 

718
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,880
teenager. 
He already had a reputation of 

719
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:47,960
well, maybe he was 20 by then. 
He already had a reputation. 

720
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,160
Actually, yes, he was 22. 
Yeah, Barrick was 22 when the 

721
00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:51,880
mission was sent. 
But either way, that's pretty 

722
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,120
young. 
But I already had that 

723
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,360
reputation. 
Chosen to lead by Ned Stark, 

724
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,760
chosen to marry Illyria. 
Dane and the Danes are steeped 

725
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,160
in honor. 
Then Edrick is a page as well. 

726
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,880
So Barrick kudos there. 
Clearly he earned himself some 

727
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,280
points to have gotten all this, 
to have been trusted with all 

728
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,480
this. 
So Lord Dane probably thought 

729
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,840
very well of Lord Barrick unless
they were forced into this 

730
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,600
marriage. 
It seems like he was a good 

731
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,160
judge of character because yeah,
Lord Barrack is a good guy. 

732
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,440
Even in death. 
Lord Barrack was more of a 

733
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,720
knight than almost everyone 
else, You know, very few 

734
00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:26,240
characters were more nightly 
than Lord Barrack, even as a 

735
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:30,720
dead guy at some point in this 
era when he was maybe when he 

736
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:34,800
became a Squire, which is around
age 10, he won the rings event 

737
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,800
in a Squires tournament, which 
shows he's good at holding a 

738
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,200
Lance steady, which may have 
implications later. 

739
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,560
I think George, as we've said, 
George gave little hints that 

740
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,200
he's got some martial skills in 
training there. 

741
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,600
Maybe he's maybe the prowess is 
just around the corner. 

742
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,840
Barrick is Edrick Dane's main 
influence and Barrick is one of 

743
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,000
the best examples of knighthood 
we have of someone who actually 

744
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,560
follows the vows. 
Like I said, he's he's right up 

745
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,960
there. 
So think about the effect I 

746
00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:02,240
would have. 
This guy is now your father 

747
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:04,400
figure and this is how he 
behaves. 

748
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,760
And maybe you've already been 
predisposed to act that way. 

749
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,760
This is how you've been raised. 
You're you're, you're come from 

750
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,680
the same family Arthur Dayne 
came from. 

751
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:15,440
You know, you've already got a 
distinct legendary figure to 

752
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,880
live up to. 
That is your uncle, right? 

753
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,440
Even if you didn't meet him, the
dude was insanely famous. 

754
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:25,880
And people tend to, you know, 
young people tend to emulate the

755
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,400
people around them are the 
people that are spoken of the 

756
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,120
most highly. 
And, well, this is certainly 

757
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,000
played out that way, at least at
this point. 

758
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:39,480
King's Landing. 
So Barrick decided, Hey, young 

759
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,240
Squire Edrick, the Hand is 
having a tournament. 

760
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:43,960
Actually, it was Robert, but we 
know how that went. 

761
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,680
It was in Ned's name, but Ned 
actually didn't want anything to

762
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,160
do with it. 
So that was a big deal. 

763
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,640
A lot of people came from all 
over. 

764
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:55,080
And it's interesting not just 
how this brought the characters 

765
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,680
into town. 
That ended up becoming Ned's 

766
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,240
expedition. 
They became the Brotherhood 

767
00:38:59,240 --> 00:39:03,400
Without Banners, right? 
So this was just supposed to be 

768
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,840
a trip to go to a tournament, 
but it really took a turn, 

769
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,240
several turns really. 
Edrick would have been very 

770
00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:11,480
busy. 
Barrick was a competitor. 

771
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,360
He was in the joust and the 
melee. 

772
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,960
So he would be, you know, 
helping him with his weapons and

773
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,200
his armor and all that. 
Lots to do Edrick, actually. 

774
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,960
Sees. 
Lord Eddard, but it's too shy to

775
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,160
approach him. 
Let tracks. 

776
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,480
He's notably shy. 
He doesn't know what to say. 

777
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:27,360
He doesn't know what to bring 
up. 

778
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,800
It's definitely too bad. 
What would they have said to 

779
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:30,600
each other? 
Right? 

780
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,000
Like, what would Ned say to 
Edrick? 

781
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,160
Would he be feel a little 
awkward? 

782
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,800
He'd be like, it might have been
awkward. 

783
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,080
It might have been stiff, like, 
hello. 

784
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:38,440
Pleased to meet you. 
See you later. 

785
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,280
I got to go. 
You know, I Yeah. 

786
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,880
So I kind of get why Edrick was 
shy about it, given the, the 

787
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,040
family secrets and the all the 
stuff that goes on between. 

788
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,240
Even though Edrick doesn't have 
the full picture, it's still a 

789
00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:54,920
little like, yeah, is he going 
to be happy to see me or not? 

790
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,440
I think one of the. 
Reasons George passed. 

791
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:02,880
On this too, is that Ned Stark 
avoids thinking about the Tower 

792
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,280
of Joy and his family as much as
possible. 

793
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,960
It's like it's like blocked off 
by trauma. 

794
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,280
So having Ned Dane approach him 
would he would kind of have to 

795
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:12,160
think about some of those 
things. 

796
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:13,360
He would have to think about 
Ashara. 

797
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,080
And he he doesn't want to. 
George didn't want to go that 

798
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:17,840
way. 
He wanted Ned. 

799
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,880
He wanted to hide that stuff and
keep it for later. 

800
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:25,600
Consider that when Jamie 
assaulted him in the streets and

801
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,480
the circumstances played out so 
much like the Tower of Joy, and 

802
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,720
then, you know, he's holding 
Jory's body. 

803
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:35,320
It's 7 versus 3 in terms of the 
number seven die versus 3 die. 

804
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,400
And the the some of the language
that's used, he wakes up 

805
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,520
dreaming about the Tower of Joy 
right after that. 

806
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,160
And so this is a perfect example
of something similar triggers 

807
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,040
his memories. 
This isn't something similar. 

808
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:51,840
A Dane approaching him, you 
know, with his same nickname is 

809
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,080
yeah, I really don't know what 
Ned would have done there. 

810
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,880
He also observes, Sir Loris 
giving Santa a red rose. 

811
00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:00,440
He asked if Ari was there. 
He's like, yeah, I saw this. 

812
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,440
I saw Loris give your sister a 
rose. 

813
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,000
This is kind of funny because 
Loris doesn't even remember 

814
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,760
giving Santa the red rose. 
And Santa, of course, remembered

815
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:09,880
it. 
Like it was the most important 

816
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:11,400
thing that ever happened in her 
life at the time. 

817
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,920
Obviously she's moved past that.
But in the moment, yeah, she had

818
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,440
the most gigantic crush on him 
that anyone's ever had on 

819
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,080
anyone, I don't think. 
This is. 

820
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:24,240
Necessarily like a set up, like 
maybe Edrick was noticing Sansa 

821
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:28,240
because it's like foreshadowing.
Probably not, but it's possible 

822
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:30,680
They're about the same age and, 
you know, he's a good kid. 

823
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:34,840
He's noble born and all that. 
You know, maybe it was an idea 

824
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,720
that George is crap. 
Maybe originally George is going

825
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:41,040
to set up a Sansa Edrick thing, 
but it could be like a red rose 

826
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,000
herring. 
Yeah, but maybe it's still, 

827
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,840
maybe it's still in. 
More on that later. 

828
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,280
I want to at the end of the 
episode, we're going to go 

829
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,440
through a lot of the possible 
characters Edra could interact 

830
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,120
with, mostly Stark's. 
And we'll we'll we'll try to 

831
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,720
flesh a little bit of that out. 
So again, Illyria may have been 

832
00:41:56,720 --> 00:42:00,360
too young to marry Barack at the
time, but notably more years 

833
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,600
have passed. 
Like four or five more years 

834
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,960
have passed since that betrothal
and they still didn't get 

835
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,280
married. 
Which starts to make. 

836
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:09,920
Me think Nina. 
Might have had the right of it 

837
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,000
because it's how young could she
be? 

838
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,640
I mean, was she? 
11 and then four. 

839
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,200
Years go by and she's still not 
quite 16 and now Barrick is 

840
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,400
dead, so it's it's moot. 
But yeah, like the age, the 

841
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,400
timing is a little tricky here. 
Not tricky, but telling I guess.

842
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,680
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843
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844
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845
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:43,040
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846
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847
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848
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849
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In particular one of the biggest

850
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851
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852
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853
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854
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855
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856
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857
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858
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863
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,280
Couple of miscellaneous things 
about this episode. 

864
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,200
Other than Edric Storm, there's 
only one other Edric we know of 

865
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,560
at all, and that's Edric Stark. 
Who? 

866
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,960
Was. 
The grandson of Alaric Stark, 

867
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,600
Alex. 
The real Stanisi Stark who met 

868
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:55,600
Alison and Jairus so his sons 
died and Edric inherited. 

869
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,760
At 170. 
Two or in 72 AC. 

870
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,040
There's also an Edrick Guild 
navigator in Dune. 

871
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,080
I know George is red Dune. 
He wasn't a huge fan of Dune, 

872
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,960
but he might have noted that 
name. 

873
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,160
Edrick is not in the first book,
but he appears in the second 

874
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,040
book. 
And well, I won't say how many 

875
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:14,320
books he's in because that would
be a spoiler. 

876
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:16,600
There's also a. 
Disney show. 

877
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,920
Owl House. 
Never heard of it until looking 

878
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,800
it up just before this episode 
and there's two friends of 

879
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,480
Cosplay Owl House. 
Including, notably, Becca 

880
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:25,760
Starshark. 
Oh cool. 

881
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:26,800
I guess I just didn't click 
because I. 

882
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,520
Don't, I didn't have any memory 
for it. 

883
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,000
So 2 characters named Emira and 
Edric Blight are in that they're

884
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,000
twins. 
And yeah, so that's another 

885
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,400
Edrick I know of. 
Do we think there's a connection

886
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,160
slash inspiration to Elrich of 
Melnabone? 

887
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,960
Possibly. 
He, George, has absolutely read 

888
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,560
that series and he mentioned 
Eldrich Shadow Chaser is a 

889
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,920
character name that he made-up 
for one of the Azora High 

890
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,040
personas in the World of Ice and
Fire. 

891
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:56,440
So Eldrich does sound like a 
mash up of Edrich and Elrich. 

892
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,200
So yeah. 
And given that we know George 

893
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,640
has read Elrich of Meldabone, it
seems likely. 

894
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,960
I don't know the character very 
well, so I don't know if there's

895
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:06,880
like similarities between the 
characters or not. 

896
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,280
I kind of doubt it, but the 
name, yeah. 

897
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:14,040
Yeah, I think so. 
Kingsman. 

898
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,440
When Barrack was chosen to lead 
the contingent against Sir 

899
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,360
Gregor, it probably meant the 
first action Edrick ever saw, 

900
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,960
and it was horrible. 
They rode under the King's 

901
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,120
banner, empowered by the King's 
hand to bring justice to an 

902
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,720
outlaw. 
They'd all you know, we're out 

903
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:30,840
there doing good work, they 
thought. 

904
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,880
And they were ambushed in what 
became known afterwards as the 

905
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,320
Battle at the Mummers Ford. 
Let's consider that battle 

906
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,960
through Edrick's point of view. 
It began as they were. 

907
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,440
Crossing. 
A river, that is a time when an 

908
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,040
army of any size, big or small, 
and this was 120 men, so not 

909
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,120
that big, but certainly as I 
said. 

910
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:49,880
In any case. 
Crossing a river makes you 

911
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,440
vulnerable. 
Your, your horses are, you know,

912
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,000
in water you can't maneuver very
well. 

913
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,000
You're not in a formation. 
So if somebody attacks you in 

914
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,800
that moment, it's bad. 
And that is what happened. 

915
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,200
So they waited for them. 
They attacked them at the 

916
00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:03,800
perfect right moment, and they 
were probably a completely 

917
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,320
unprepared. 
They had no idea anyone was 

918
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:06,760
waiting for them. 
They had no reason to suspect 

919
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,480
it. 
And now? 

920
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:09,880
Remember what was. 
Supposed to happen. 

921
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,680
The ambushers were supposed to 
capture Ned Stark. 

922
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,720
That was the goal. 
They were going to capture Ned 

923
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:17,320
Stark and then swap him for 
Tyrion. 

924
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:18,480
And that would be the end of the
war. 

925
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,720
Of course Jamie got involved. 
Ned's leg was broken, so Ned 

926
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:24,680
wasn't there. 
Tywin was smart enough to 

927
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,520
realize that Ned would lead that
expedition himself. 

928
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,000
That's because he he's, he had a
read on Ned's personality. 

929
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,400
And he was right. 
Ned would have led that 

930
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:32,840
expedition had he not broken his
leg. 

931
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,360
But of course, Tywin didn't know
that Ned broke his leg. 

932
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:41,040
So they would have known right 
away or probably realized right 

933
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,080
away that Ned Stark wasn't in 
that group because there would 

934
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,480
be no Stark banner. 
Well, or if there was a Stark 

935
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,720
banner, it was attached to the 
King's banner and there was no 

936
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,000
Stark accoutrement. 
There was no like Lord decked 

937
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,200
out like the Stark high Lord. 
No one that looked like 

938
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:55,960
Niagstark was there. 
And again, it's not that large 

939
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,160
of a group. 
So no, the attack came from 

940
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:00,760
three sides. 
They have their back is to the 

941
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,360
river and it's like they're 
enclosed. 

942
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,200
The attack comes from the front 
and from both sides. 

943
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,880
So there's the only way to run 
was to go through the enemy. 

944
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,040
You can't really cross back over
because it's too slow and 

945
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,360
they'll just pick you off while 
you're slowly slogging your way 

946
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:17,920
across the river. 
So my guess is that Gregor went 

947
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,760
right for Barrick. 
Like Barrick was taken out of 

948
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,880
the fight almost immediately. 
He's the only Lord on the field,

949
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,200
he's the leader. 
So if Gregor takes him out that 

950
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,560
he knows that's going to cause 
chaos to their ranks. 

951
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,560
They don't have anyone to shout 
orders. 

952
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,760
Now we know Edrick pulled 
Barrick out of the river, so 

953
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,600
Gregor must have time discharged
very well. 

954
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,960
Barrick was knocked into the 
river. 

955
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:39,720
He must have been still very 
close to the shoreline. 

956
00:47:39,720 --> 00:47:42,840
And perhaps Barrick, being the 
kind of guy he is, put himself 

957
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,520
in harm's way, got in front of 
other people. 

958
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,360
You know, I'm the leader. 
I got to take the brunt. 

959
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,680
Especially if Ned himself was in
danger. 

960
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,680
He would want to protect his his
young Squire that he has a very 

961
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,360
strong connection to. 
Either way, Ned would have been 

962
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:56,560
right there when it happened, 
most likely. 

963
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,720
Squire is almost certainly 
riding alongside his master. 

964
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:06,400
So it would have been really 
quite a few seconds of extreme 

965
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,920
tension and danger there when 
Barrack is like, uh oh, we're 

966
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,600
screwed. 
But we still got to do our best.

967
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,120
And he wanted to protect his men
and save as many as possible. 

968
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:16,400
But of course he couldn't do 
anything. 

969
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,160
He's taken out of the fight 
almost immediately. 

970
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,760
We're told that he stood over. 
Greg. 

971
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,840
Over barrack's body after 
pulling it out of the water and 

972
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,880
just kind of waited there and no
one paid any attention to him. 

973
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:33,120
All the the enemies were too 
busy dealing with men who are 

974
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,720
actually standing and wielding 
weapons rather than a dude on 

975
00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:38,880
the ground with a foot of Lance 
sticking out of his chest and 

976
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:43,240
some boy right now that said 
that boy is worth a lot of money

977
00:48:43,240 --> 00:48:47,280
for a ransom that you could get 
a fat ransom for the Lord of 

978
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,000
Starfall. 
But they didn't know he was the 

979
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,920
Lord they they would have seen 
you know the the kit and the the

980
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,840
sigil, but that doesn't mean 
he's a Lord. 

981
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,400
They don't suspect a 12 year 
old's a Lord and they're too 

982
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,800
busy killing people who were 
trying to kill them. 

983
00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:04,600
So Gregor would have been the. 
Largest. 

984
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,960
Man he's ever seen except before
or after. 

985
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,680
Except that he sees Gregor again
later, so he gets a repeat. 

986
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:15,440
Now he's standing over Barrick, 
thinking he's almost certainly 

987
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,760
dead, even though he had no idea
Thoris could bring him back. 

988
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,800
Of course, neither did Thoros, 
so he's guarding a body like 

989
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:23,720
Barrick is almost certainly 
dead, but he wasn't actually 

990
00:49:23,720 --> 00:49:25,440
dead yet. 
The wound looked really bad, but

991
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:26,840
Barrick hadn't actually passed 
yet. 

992
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:28,760
Edrick didn't Wade. 
Into the. 

993
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,320
Battle. 
He dismounted, pulled Barrick 

994
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,320
out of the water and then stood 
over him. 

995
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:34,800
The battle probably surged. 
Past. 

996
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,560
Them like the some of the men 
were trying to breakthrough and 

997
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,440
the others are, like I said, 
concerned with people who are 

998
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,520
actually fighting. 
Very chaotic, but we actually 

999
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,280
get a. 
Accounting of the battle from 

1000
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:47,160
Harwin. 
Of all people. 

1001
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,200
And he tells Aria this quote. 
We had lions on. 

1002
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,680
Every. 
Side and I thought I was doomed 

1003
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:57,840
with the rest, but Allen shouted
commands and restored order to 

1004
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:02,960
our ranks, and those still a 
horse rallied around Thoros and 

1005
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:07,160
cut our way free. 6 score we'd 
been that morning. 

1006
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:12,480
By dark, no more than two score 
were left and Lord Barrack was 

1007
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,280
gravely wounded 120. 
Down to 40. 

1008
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,640
Hedrick amongst the 40, the 
first of many. 

1009
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,440
Times that he. 
Proves to be a survivor. 

1010
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,800
Sure he's less of a target but 
still, he's in danger a lot of 

1011
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:26,320
times and comes through 
unscathed. 

1012
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,280
So Hedrick would have thrown 
Barrick on the back of his own 

1013
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:35,320
horse and and either led his 
horse or Red ridden off a brick 

1014
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,680
slung over the back of his. 
And we know that he was helped 

1015
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:41,160
by a guy named Green Gergen, a 
man who was now probably dead. 

1016
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,600
But either way, it was another 
example of something that would 

1017
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,200
take some strength and certainly
bravery. 

1018
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,160
So he helps his mortally wounded
Lord, with the help of this 

1019
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,840
Green Gergen guy onto his horse.
And they ride through this 

1020
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,080
melee. 
They ride through this this 

1021
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,120
sick, you know, 40 of them 
cutting their way through barely

1022
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,920
and getting away. 
And you got to think that Ned 

1023
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,080
Dane, probably in the center of 
that formation, he's not one of 

1024
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,800
the big warriors, They would 
have him to be protected because

1025
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,120
they're also trying to protect 
Lord Barrick. 

1026
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,000
Now, Green Gerg, Green Gergan is
the name here. 

1027
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,880
But there's a green Gerg who was
in a Song of Ice and Fire forum 

1028
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,440
member from the very early days.
And George, well, clearly gave 

1029
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,120
them a nod here. 
There's more of a story to this,

1030
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,120
George. 
In 1999, George auctioned 4 

1031
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,200
unreleased chapters of A Storm 
of Swords on eBay. 

1032
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:26,560
This was for charity I believe. 
Green Gerg and 41 others from 

1033
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,800
the westeros.org forums 
including Elio and Linda I 

1034
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,440
believe pooled their money to 
win that auction. 

1035
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,760
Well done y'all. 
The four chapters were the 

1036
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:36,480
prologue, the Chet prologue 
right? 

1037
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,200
Tyrion 1, Sansa 1 which is when 
she meets the Queen of Thorns 

1038
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,720
and Marjorie. 
And then a last minute addition 

1039
00:51:43,240 --> 00:51:45,800
because it was supposed to be 3 
but then George offered a fourth

1040
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,640
one and let them pick and they I
don't know what the choices were

1041
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:52,080
but they picked John 1 which is 
when he meets Tormund and Mance.

1042
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,520
So that's pretty cool. 
He also gave them a. 

1043
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,480
Pay a random. 
Page which was the when Sam 

1044
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,680
sings the lullaby of the seven 
to Gillies babe because green 

1045
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:04,000
Gerg also had a newborn around 
that time and green Gerg and 

1046
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:08,160
their partner named their 
newborn child RR, not RR, but 

1047
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,280
their initials are RR so and 
George was was made aware of 

1048
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,800
that so he gave them this an 
honor now. 

1049
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:16,520
Edrick, given that he's Dornish 
and a. 

1050
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,360
Lord would have probably had one
of the best horses on the field 

1051
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:20,920
there. 
He might have even had like a 

1052
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:22,680
Sandsteed because the Dornish 
and particularly have great 

1053
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,000
horses, but he probably doesn't 
have that horse anymore. 

1054
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:26,160
You know, they've been through 
so much. 

1055
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,680
But that might have been part of
why he was able to escape having

1056
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,600
one of the best horses now as 
well. 

1057
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,000
Edrick would have been one of 
the best armored on the field. 

1058
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,640
He's a a Lord and young, so 
protection would be important 

1059
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:42,160
for him and he can afford his 
family, can afford some of the 

1060
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,200
best. 
Despite these advantages, you 

1061
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,280
got to give him a ton of credit 
for his bravery, for his 

1062
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,000
initiative, for competence, for 
just making it out of there. 

1063
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,040
Like a lot of Squires would have
just been killed. 

1064
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,920
You got to give Barrack some 
credit for teaching him that 

1065
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,120
way. 
Like Barrack taught him well, 

1066
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:02,720
he's a talented kid that was 
raised right, but no one could 

1067
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:06,320
have taught him or educated him 
about what was going to come 

1068
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:10,920
next. 
Squire to the. 

1069
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,320
Undead. 
Now is unique as Edrick may be, 

1070
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,360
this might be the most unique 
thing about him. 

1071
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:20,360
There is no one else that has 
been a Squire to a dead person 

1072
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,480
that we know of. 
This is how it starts. 

1073
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:29,040
Thoros prayed as he does and the
result was startling. 

1074
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,880
Quote that first. 
Time. 

1075
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:36,000
His lordship had a hole right 
through him and blood in his 

1076
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,640
mouth. 
I knew there was no hope, so 

1077
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:44,760
when his poor torn chest stopped
moving, I gave him the good 

1078
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,680
God's own kiss to send him on 
his way. 

1079
00:53:48,240 --> 00:53:53,440
I filled my mouth with fire and 
breathed the flames inside him 

1080
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:57,640
down his throat to lungs and 
heart and soul. 

1081
00:53:58,240 --> 00:54:03,040
The last kiss it is called, and 
many a time I saw the old 

1082
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:07,160
priests bestow it on the Lord's 
servants as they died. 

1083
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:14,080
I had given it a time or two 
myself, as all priests must, but

1084
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:19,720
never before had I felt a dead 
man shudder as the fire filled 

1085
00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:23,440
him, nor seen his eyes come 
open. 

1086
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:28,600
Given Edrick. 
Seems to stick by Barrick's side

1087
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,640
no matter what. 
I believe he was likely standing

1088
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,760
right there when this happened. 
So he would have shared the 

1089
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,920
astonishment with Thoros and 
Thoros be like, yeah, I'm 

1090
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,080
astonished too, man. 
Like I didn't think this was 

1091
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,360
going to happen either. 
And Barrick too, like Barrick 

1092
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,120
was like, wait, I'm a lot wait, 
what's going on here? 

1093
00:54:43,720 --> 00:54:45,920
What? 
So we have Thoros's perspective 

1094
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,280
here, but Edrick's perspective 
must be really something. 

1095
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:49,920
We just haven't heard him talk 
about it. 

1096
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,920
It's still the implications are 
are extreme. 

1097
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,120
Like it must have been almost 
literally unbelievable if he 

1098
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,080
wasn't seeing it. 
It would be like what? 

1099
00:54:58,240 --> 00:55:01,640
Like Edrick probably had never 
seen magic in his life. 

1100
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,240
Like most of these characters 
never seen magic in their life 

1101
00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:06,960
because we're not in a high 
magic era right now. 

1102
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,560
It'd been a while even. 
Like I said, even Thoros was 

1103
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,480
completely stunned by, and 
Thoros being so stunned by it 

1104
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,880
would increase how stunned 
everyone else is by it. 

1105
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:17,920
I was like, wait, you did that 
by accident? 

1106
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,280
You just resurrected somebody by
accident. 

1107
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,320
That's crazy. 
And. 

1108
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,400
Some people like. 
Lem, they're in denial. 

1109
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,640
They think Thoros is just a 
great healer. 

1110
00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:30,400
I doubt that's the case with 
Ned. 

1111
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,800
I mean, a foot of Lance in his 
chest, I mean, he's that's a 

1112
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,160
foot. 
Like if you had a foot of Lance 

1113
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:36,840
in my chest, that would pop out 
the other side. 

1114
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,400
Like that's all the way through.
So I don't think. 

1115
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,920
Edrick is like Lem. 
That he's in denial about it. 

1116
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,600
But he's been up much, much 
closer to Barrick. 

1117
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,680
He's seen these wounds as he's 
helping him put his armor on. 

1118
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,560
You can't fail to see these 
gnarly, unlivable. 

1119
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,360
No one could be alive with these
wounds. 

1120
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,800
Sure, Edrick is really young. 
Maybe he could be in denial in a

1121
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:00,360
way that only children can. 
I just tend to doubt it, though 

1122
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,920
he seems more mature than that. 
He seems, you know, he's, he's 

1123
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:04,760
around Thoros. 
Barrick would talk to him about 

1124
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:06,120
it. 
He's Barrick's Squire. 

1125
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:06,800
He's his. 
Mentor. 

1126
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,720
They're tight, so I don't think 
Barrick would just not talk 

1127
00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:11,640
about it. 
But like, you know, our can we 

1128
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:12,960
talk about the fact that you're 
dead? 

1129
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:14,480
Nah, Nah, I don't want to talk 
about that. 

1130
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,360
I, I imagine. 
Well, my faithful Squire, you 

1131
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:21,600
might have some questions. 
I do too hard to imagine. 

1132
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,520
Exactly how that conversation? 
Would go, but it's implied that 

1133
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,760
he and Thoros have had 
conversations and Ned would have

1134
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:28,640
been there for a lot of those 
and Ned would have had 

1135
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,120
conversations with Barrack too 
about all this and it just. 

1136
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:33,440
I mean, this is he. 
He also would be. 

1137
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:38,480
Very aware of the fact that 
Barrack doesn't eat, drink or 

1138
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,840
need sleep. 
There's just so many clues that 

1139
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,760
this is not normal, This is 
something else. 

1140
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,200
So people like Lem, that level 
of denial is already difficult 

1141
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,480
to reach. 
But Lem is not up close to 

1142
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,240
Barrick, to his body, to his 
person, to his secrets like 

1143
00:56:53,240 --> 00:56:54,720
Edrick is. 
Yeah. 

1144
00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:55,640
So I I. 
Don't know that. 

1145
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,560
I don't know that Ned would want
to broach the subject 'cause 

1146
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,320
he's a little shy, but he would 
be so curious and, and be 

1147
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,160
bewildered. 
And I think Barrick, being a 

1148
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,240
good mentor, would, would talk 
to him about it, you know, level

1149
00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:07,280
with him. 
Like, yeah, I don't really know 

1150
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,560
what's happening either. 
And. 

1151
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:11,640
But think of. 
The The lesson here, like 

1152
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:15,640
Barracks, still continues to 
lead his group with honor and 

1153
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:21,600
dignity and with sacrifice, with
willingness to die for others. 

1154
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,720
What a. 
Inspiration that must. 

1155
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:28,640
Be beyond his words, the words 
that we don't hear him speak, 

1156
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,960
that we know must have been 
spoken, just his actions, right.

1157
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,040
He he's willing to die for 
commoners like he gives himself 

1158
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:38,920
to Amory Lorch to be hanged so 
that Lorch won't hang couple of 

1159
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,000
beekeepers. 
He hangs them all, as we. 

1160
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:44,320
If you recall, that would be one
of the few times Edrick wasn't 

1161
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,120
at his side during one of his 
deaths because he just 

1162
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:47,440
surrendered. 
Like Ned wouldn't have 

1163
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,040
surrendered with him. 
No, there'll be no need for 

1164
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:50,640
that. 
But for the rest of Barrick's 

1165
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:54,000
deaths, Ned was probably in the 
battle with him, at least some 

1166
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,320
of them. 
So Edrick's obligation as a 

1167
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,320
Squire to this man is it's 
changing. 

1168
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,080
In a way that he has no. 
Basis for comparison. 

1169
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,000
Barrick's memories are 
compromised more so with each 

1170
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:07,800
death. 
At one point he says he can't 

1171
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,320
even remember what his betrothed
looks like, and he doesn't even 

1172
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,880
name her by say her by name. 
I bet he doesn't remember her 

1173
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:16,840
name either, even though it's 
his squire's aunt. 

1174
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,040
He might remember that she's a. 
Dane. 

1175
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,360
But he might not even remember 
that, which is like, whoa, 

1176
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,280
that's. 
That's a lot of lost memories. 

1177
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:27,040
So day-to-day, this would be 
extremely strange, not something

1178
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,320
to get used to easily. 
Sure, there's distractions like 

1179
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,360
they're hungry, they're they're 
in danger constantly, they're 

1180
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,400
trying to save people, so 
they've got a purpose. 

1181
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,840
But just the this dead man who 
keeps standing back up, walking 

1182
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,720
around, getting more more 
himself than ever or less 

1183
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:45,360
himself than ever, more intent, 
more purposeful and less of 

1184
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:49,600
anything else. 
So yeah, I, I. 

1185
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:51,720
Wonder. 
Would. 

1186
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,680
Someone like Edrick notice. 
Even more subtle changes in him 

1187
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,040
like well, this is he every 
morning he used to say this or 

1188
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:00,880
he used to always pray at this 
time of day and well, his 

1189
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:04,720
routines have changed because 
he's dead or you know, only. 

1190
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:06,880
Edrick would be keen. 
On these things, someone that's 

1191
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,760
just attending his every. 
Need you know that's. 

1192
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:11,720
What a Squire is supposed to do,
you're supposed to be paying 

1193
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:13,680
attention to. 
What the knight needs is what 

1194
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:15,920
the Lord needs. 
And, well, these needs are 

1195
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,560
peculiar. 
And the lack of certain needs is

1196
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:20,880
also peculiar. 
Like, wait, yeah, he doesn't 

1197
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:22,720
need food or drink. 
That's normally what I would be 

1198
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:24,840
doing is getting my Lord ready 
something to eat. 

1199
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,280
And he doesn't do that. 
Now we do have another 

1200
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,480
possibility. 
As I mentioned earlier, Jon Snow

1201
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,560
could be an undead person with 
the Squire because he has a 

1202
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:35,560
Squire Satin, right? 
And he might be a fire white 

1203
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:37,600
too. 
So Satin will be the second 

1204
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:39,360
person to Squire for a fire 
White. 

1205
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,200
And at the end of the episode, 
like I I teased earlier, we'll 

1206
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,120
talk a little more about Edrick 
and Jon Snow. 

1207
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,840
And with the possibility of them
meeting, Yeah, isn't that crazy 

1208
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:48,160
to think about it? 
He's like, hey, I've I've 

1209
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,160
squired for a fire white before.
I know things. 

1210
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,240
Marjo, 32, says wait. 
Is he going to be John Squire 

1211
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:55,560
next? 
He's the only one with a resume 

1212
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,920
to fit. 
Lol yeah well it's possible. 

1213
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,200
I don't know about his Squire, 
but maybe. 

1214
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,600
Fighting side by. 
Side or they got they have 

1215
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,120
things to talk about, as we'll 
see. 

1216
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:09,680
OK to outlaws the next. 
Section here. 

1217
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:11,920
Let us be very clear about it, 
Edrick Dane. 

1218
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,200
Again, I said this earlier, but 
I want to reiterate it here, 

1219
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,640
because this is the point at 
which you would expect that he 

1220
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,240
would be very tempted, let alone
being. 

1221
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,560
Within his rights. 
Even before Barrack's first 

1222
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:23,600
death, he could have left. 
She could be like Ned Stark, 

1223
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:27,600
picks Gregor, picks Barrack to 
go after Gregor, Ned Dane could 

1224
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:28,480
go. 
That's it. 

1225
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:29,680
I'm out. 
I don't need to be a part of 

1226
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:31,240
that. 
I am Lord of Starfall. 

1227
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:34,880
Why am I here? 
But again, even after Barack is 

1228
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:40,520
killed repeatedly, he stays. 
He goes through all this pain 

1229
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:46,240
and suffering and exposure and 
possibly getting hanged, 

1230
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:49,720
possibly getting captured by the
Brave Companions or something 

1231
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,560
awful like that. 
I mean, danger, extreme danger, 

1232
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:56,160
and he could have just left. 
That is extremely telling. 

1233
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:59,160
He could go eat nice food and 
sleep in a Lord's bed and be 

1234
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:02,200
completely out of harm's way. 
But he stayed no. 

1235
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,040
One else in that group, No. 
Other Brotherhood without Banner

1236
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:08,320
can say that most of them didn't
have another place to go. 

1237
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,920
If they were to leave, they 
would be trying to sneak off and

1238
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,320
pretend no one ever knew they 
were in the Brotherhood without 

1239
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,520
Banners. 
But they'd still be, you know, a

1240
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:19,280
poor person with no group or 
organization to be a part of. 

1241
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:23,120
They certainly can't just go to 
their own castle, yeah? 

1242
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,680
This is extreme. 
Dedicated this is top tier 

1243
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:28,360
Squire behavior. 
This is, I mean, this is some 

1244
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,760
egg Podrick type. 
So he's up there with those 

1245
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:32,720
guys. 
Yeah, Podrick who are the best 

1246
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:36,520
Squires in all of history. 
Well, Edrick belongs in that 

1247
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:39,200
group and this had to have. 
A huge impact on. 

1248
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:42,040
Him the fact that he stayed and 
kept experiencing these things 

1249
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,200
and that he had this dedication 
and saw it through and that has 

1250
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:48,080
had to make the rest of the 
brotherhood respect him. 

1251
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,600
They know who he is too. 
They know he could leave. 

1252
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,920
They know he could go back home 
at any any point, but he chose 

1253
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,960
to stay with him. 
That had to earn some big points

1254
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:58,880
with them. 
And that's why when he did 

1255
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,280
eventually leave, some of them 
went with him, which we'll get 

1256
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:05,320
to in in due time here. 
So Edrick has had one of the 

1257
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:08,920
very few mentors in all of the 
Song of Ice and Fire who 

1258
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:13,200
actually behaves as a knight 
should, which gives him a decent

1259
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:16,680
chance or gives us the 
expectation that he will behave 

1260
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:19,000
that way too when he's given the
chance. 

1261
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:21,040
He's seen what devotion to. 
A just. 

1262
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,720
Cause means. 
In some ways this makes. 

1263
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:25,280
Him. 
A potential foil for Arthur 

1264
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:29,560
Dayne, a man who went down 
fighting for his honor and duty 

1265
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,280
rather than doing the right 
thing, The humane thing, right. 

1266
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:36,040
Arthur Dayne stuck with Aries, 
you know, he's a Kingsguard. 

1267
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:39,320
So it's a little different than 
Edrick who wasn't not not sworn 

1268
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:42,160
duty like that. 
But still Arthur is is 

1269
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:46,880
uncompromising in that way. 
Whereas and this wasn't a golden

1270
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:50,800
age, right he could have he 
didn't he wasn't tested until 

1271
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:52,360
Aries and we saw what happened 
there. 

1272
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:57,120
But they were both King's men 
who became outlaws because of a 

1273
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:59,520
regime, regime change. 
Like they both went out into the

1274
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:03,280
world to do their jobs. 
And while they were in the field

1275
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:06,960
doing their jobs, a new king 
took over and they became 

1276
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:10,200
outlaws. 
Like that's a very similar thing

1277
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:11,640
that Edrick and Arthur both went
through. 

1278
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:15,920
And I think Edrick knows that. 
Like he has at least some 

1279
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:17,800
knowledge that he knows. 
He knows Arthur died at the 

1280
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:21,240
tower Joy and he knows Arthur 
died at the tower Joy after 

1281
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:24,520
Robert had won the war. 
So it's not. 

1282
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:25,600
Those aren't. 
Secrets. 

1283
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:27,840
So Edrick. 
Has a chance to be. 

1284
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:29,640
Kind of the opposite. 
Now, later in the episode, I'm 

1285
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:31,880
going to talk about similarities
between Edrick and Arthur. 

1286
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:33,080
Here, we're talking about a 
difference. 

1287
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:36,480
This is a chance for Edrick, 
given what he's learned and what

1288
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:38,120
he's been through, to be a 
compromising day. 

1289
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:40,920
And the opposite, someone that 
that goes with. 

1290
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:43,320
What's? 
Right over with, over his own 

1291
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:44,680
honor. 
Someone like Corin Halfan who 

1292
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:49,320
says, yeah, honor is important, 
but more important is the realm.

1293
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:51,760
Ned Stark would agree. 
Ned Stark put his honor very 

1294
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:54,240
highly, but he was, he threw his
honor away in a split second 

1295
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:56,320
when his daughter's life was in 
the was in the balance. 

1296
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:58,880
And that's what Barrick does 
too. 

1297
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,720
Barrick is like, yeah, honor's 
important, but more important is

1298
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:03,560
justice. 
More important is is defending 

1299
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:05,040
the weak. 
These other nightly virtues are 

1300
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:07,560
more important than my personal 
honor, right? 

1301
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:10,720
And I think most of us would 
agree with that, Edrick. 

1302
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:14,360
Has been taught he's. 
He's learned in that school, 

1303
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:17,120
he's been through the school of 
what's right versus. 

1304
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:19,960
What's? 
Just he's went out to give 

1305
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:21,080
justice. 
And became an. 

1306
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:23,240
Outlaw, like, that's crazy, 
that's not fair. 

1307
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:25,520
So he's been on the the short 
end of that stick. 

1308
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:29,120
Thus has a very keen 
understanding of just because 

1309
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:30,640
you're an outlaw doesn't mean 
you're not a good person. 

1310
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:33,000
Just because you're a King's man
doesn't mean you are a good 

1311
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,400
person. 
There are things more important 

1312
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:38,320
than duty and honor. 
One of those things is justice. 

1313
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,040
One of those things is humanity,
right or another. 

1314
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:44,760
One of those things is humanity.
So it's better when what's good 

1315
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:47,560
and what's law are in alignment,
but it is not always true. 

1316
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:49,920
The laws can be unjust, the laws
can be straight up evil. 

1317
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:53,280
And for a while the laws were 
good right? 

1318
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:54,800
The Kingsguard defending their 
king. 

1319
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:56,800
That usually works out pretty 
well until you have a really 

1320
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,440
awful king like Aries who's 
who's using. 

1321
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:03,080
His Kingsguard to. 
As an arm of his evil right for.

1322
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:07,640
His his atrocities. 
So while Edrick is living in a 

1323
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:10,240
much different time than Arthur 
Arthur, the end of Arthur's life

1324
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,880
was when things got quote UN 
quote interesting. 

1325
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,560
But before that he had, he 
hadn't fought in many wars. 

1326
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,160
I mean, he fought the Kingswood 
Brotherhood, but he didn't fight

1327
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:22,400
in like pitched battles. 
Even so, you want to live in a 

1328
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:24,440
golden age? 
You want to live in the era 

1329
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:26,640
before Aries went crazy, that 
would be a good time to have 

1330
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:28,800
lived in Westeros. 
But those don't make the most 

1331
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:31,760
interesting stories, do they? 
When if everything is great, 

1332
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,800
there's no conflict at all, we 
have another. 

1333
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:36,760
Parallel source between. 
Arthur and Edrick, though in 

1334
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:38,880
some ways it is more of a 
parallel between Arthur and 

1335
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:42,520
Barrick, with Edrick observing 
Lord Barrick in the case of the 

1336
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:44,640
Kingswood Brotherhood. 
Let's talk about that. 

1337
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:48,840
Let's take note of what Jamie 
recalls regarding Sir Arthur's 

1338
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:50,920
strategy in this case. 
Quote. 

1339
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:55,440
If you want their help. 
You need to make them love you. 

1340
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:59,640
That was how Arthur Dayne did it
when we rode against the 

1341
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:03,320
Kingswood Brotherhood. 
He paid the small folk for the 

1342
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:07,200
food we ate, brought their 
grievances to King Ares, 

1343
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:12,080
expanded the grazing lands 
around their villages, even won 

1344
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:16,400
them the right to fell a certain
number of trees each year and 

1345
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:19,280
take a few of the King's deer 
during the autumn. 

1346
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:25,000
The forest folk had looked to 
Toyne to defend them, but Sir 

1347
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:29,240
Arthur did more for them than 
the Brotherhood could ever hope 

1348
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:34,840
to do and won them to our side. 
After that, the rest was easy. 

1349
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:37,640
That's really. 
Similar to what barrack? 

1350
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:40,560
Did for the common folk of the 
Riverlands during the outbreak 

1351
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:43,720
of the war, 5 Kings, isn't it? 
I mean, he couldn't get them new

1352
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,320
rights 'cause they're in the 
midst of war and he's an outlaw.

1353
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:50,640
But he tried to do the same 
things that these deeds Arthur 

1354
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:51,840
was doing. 
He tried to, he won. 

1355
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:54,000
He'd successfully won them over 
that part he did, and he 

1356
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:57,480
certainly tried to give them 
food and paid them in other ways

1357
01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:59,920
when he couldn't and gave his 
life for them. 

1358
01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:04,520
So this is very similar he and. 
Most importantly, he. 

1359
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:07,400
Gave them justice. 
And Arthur in part did that as 

1360
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:08,960
well. 
So and and he was lauded for it.

1361
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:13,280
They both gave help above and 
beyond the common, what the 

1362
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,880
common folk would normally come 
to expect from the highborn. 

1363
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:18,280
And in fact, they were basically
champions. 

1364
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:19,920
So it was like, yeah, these guys
were champions for us. 

1365
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:22,440
So Arthur Dayne was a champion 
for us, Lord Barrack's a 

1366
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:25,400
champion for them. 
You know, 15 years later, 20 

1367
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:28,920
years later, and Nedane is right
there to see it. 

1368
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:30,760
He knows what his, he knows what
Arthur did. 

1369
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:32,440
He probably knows about the 
Kingswood Brotherhood. 

1370
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:34,040
He's told those stories. 
Those aren't secrets. 

1371
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:37,560
That's not some mystery. 
So he's and he's living it out 

1372
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:39,800
here. 
So this is twice he, he's got 

1373
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:42,080
the stories of Arthur and his 
own first hand experience with 

1374
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:45,040
Lord Barrack. 
That's got to sink in big time. 

1375
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:48,040
There's even a parallel to Jamie
and Edrick here, right? 

1376
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:51,000
Both fighting in a campaign for 
or against outlaws at a very 

1377
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:54,280
young age as Squires, both heirs
to their house at the time. 

1378
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:58,080
Obviously Jamie didn't ascend, 
but we all we know that story. 

1379
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:00,720
Both of them were Squires to 
someone very upstanding, someone

1380
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:03,880
rare who has skill and adheres 
to nightly vows and common 

1381
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:05,280
decency. 
Both for the most part, 

1382
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:09,920
especially by this point. 
So Edrick, or rather Arthur and 

1383
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:13,480
Barrick similar in their 
leadership skills and Jamie and 

1384
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:15,560
Edrick similar in their Squire 
roles for that. 

1385
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:18,520
Obviously Jamie didn't stay a 
Squire for Arthur after this. 

1386
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:21,040
He was older and became a 
Kingsguard. 

1387
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:24,040
But yeah. 
Now. 

1388
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:26,880
One thing is backwards here. 
Or inverse, it's Barrick. 

1389
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:29,640
In Barrick's case, the outlaws 
are winning over the commoners, 

1390
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:32,920
where Arthur won the commoners 
away from the outlaws. 

1391
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:37,080
But we know that Barrick and 
Edrick aren't actually outlaws 

1392
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:40,800
by trade, whereas, you know, the
Kingswood brotherhood was they 

1393
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:43,279
started off as outlaws. 
They they were never kings, men 

1394
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:46,520
who, you know, a usurpation 
changed who they were. 

1395
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:49,600
No, that's it. 
So that's a that's that's a good

1396
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:51,600
point. 
Now one thing Arthur never. 

1397
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:53,640
Had to. 
Deal with that we know of is 

1398
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:56,840
truly awful brigands. 
The Kingswood Brotherhood were 

1399
01:08:56,840 --> 01:09:00,000
robbers, thieves, kidnappers, 
but they're not like killers or 

1400
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,479
torturers that as far as we know
they're they're not like the 

1401
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:05,080
Bloody Melmers or Gregor Clegane
or Emerald Lorch. 

1402
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:07,600
I don't know Arthur ever had to 
deal with someone like that 

1403
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:10,720
though maybe the Smiling Knight.
Arthur did kill the Smiling 

1404
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:14,840
Knight personally and he was 
said to be cruel and mad but 

1405
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:18,200
also chivalrous. 
So I don't know that that 

1406
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:19,359
doesn't. 
Exactly. 

1407
01:09:19,359 --> 01:09:21,680
Tell us. 
In in detail there. 

1408
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:25,120
Here's our best direct example 
of the Brother Without Banners 

1409
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:28,359
fighting on behalf of the common
folk at the Battle of the 

1410
01:09:28,359 --> 01:09:33,439
Burning Sceptre quote. 
Thoros and Lord Barek were 

1411
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:37,000
everywhere, their swords 
swirling fire. 

1412
01:09:37,319 --> 01:09:42,439
The red priest hacked at a hide 
shield until it flew to pieces 

1413
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,680
while his horse kicked the man 
in the face. 

1414
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:50,680
A Dothraki screamed and charged 
the Lightning Lord, and the 

1415
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:54,160
flaming sword leapt out to meet 
his Arak. 

1416
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:58,520
The blades kissed and spun and 
kissed again. 

1417
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:03,960
Then the Dothraki's hair was 
ablaze, and a moment later he 

1418
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:07,800
was dead. 
She spied Ned, too, fighting at 

1419
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:10,920
the Lightning Lord's side. 
Important. 

1420
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:11,720
To remember? 
Maybe not. 

1421
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:14,880
Important but a detail to 
remember here is that Dothraki 

1422
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:16,960
oiled her hair. 
That's probably why it caught 

1423
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:20,000
fire so easily and went up 
quickly. 

1424
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:22,960
It's this is this scene is 
almost it has a little bit of 

1425
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:26,880
humor to it, even though it's 
like pretty brutal, but the good

1426
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:28,720
guys win with very few 
casualties. 

1427
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:32,280
So that's that's nice. 
But the humor is Arya thinking 

1428
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:35,400
that it's unfair that Ned gets 
to fight and she doesn't. 

1429
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:38,720
She's like, I want to be out 
there, but there you go, Ned 

1430
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:39,280
fighting. 
At the. 

1431
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:41,800
Lightning Lord's side, he gets 
charged by a Dothraki. 

1432
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:44,960
Ned's right there, right? 
So that he's in danger. 

1433
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:46,880
He's coming. 
But he came out just fine. 

1434
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:49,520
And Berrick and Berrick gets 
into the thick of things. 

1435
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:51,240
Berrick is the one putting 
himself in harm's way. 

1436
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:52,360
It's part of why he's getting 
killed. 

1437
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:55,200
Ned's got to be right there with
him a lot of times, you know, 

1438
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:57,400
he, he Barrett doesn't have. 
A lot of concern. 

1439
01:10:57,400 --> 01:10:59,880
For himself, but he probably 
does have concern for his 

1440
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:02,400
Squire. 
So now if we. 

1441
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:04,560
Think about this like. 
From the perspective of a foe, 

1442
01:11:05,480 --> 01:11:07,920
if if. 
This knight and the. 

1443
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:10,640
Squire are coming at you is 
definitely. 

1444
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:13,400
The the bigger guy. 
With the flaming sword you're 

1445
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:15,000
more concerned about than the 
look. 

1446
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:19,080
The kid in pale purple that's 
shorter, you know, and not an 

1447
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:23,000
adult. 
So there is that two yeah, two 

1448
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:27,000
guy and it's and with Thoros 
right there too, it's actually 2

1449
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:30,920
flaming sword guys to take all 
the catch all the eyes of 

1450
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:32,280
everybody. 
Hey, it takes the heat off of 

1451
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:35,840
Edrick. 
Hey, Speaking of heat. 

1452
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:36,920
The. 
Duel. 

1453
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:41,160
The trial by combat between 
Barrack and Sandor is actually 

1454
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:43,600
when we hear his name. 
When we did, when we did the 

1455
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:45,800
beginning of this episode and 
showed his first mention in 

1456
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:49,080
first words. 
It's this scene that these 

1457
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:51,240
things happen in. 
Aria talks to him right after 

1458
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:53,920
the the duel basically. 
What? 

1459
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,000
Was he thinking during the duel?
I mean, like what's going 

1460
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,320
through Edrick's mind? 
He's probably like, well, if 

1461
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:03,200
Barrick, if my Lord dies here, 
no big deal, he'll come back. 

1462
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:05,680
I mean, he's seen Thoros bring 
him back several times. 

1463
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:09,200
In fact, this is the last time 
Barrick is brought back. 

1464
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:14,320
This death is Barrick's last his
his last from being killed. 

1465
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:16,640
The next death Barrick has is 
his intentional death when he 

1466
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:20,760
gives his life force to Catlin. 
So Edrick by now has. 

1467
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:23,560
Seen. 
This is the sixth death he's 

1468
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:26,080
witnessed or been aware of. 
He probably wasn't witness to 

1469
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:31,840
Barrack getting hanged, but he 
certainly was aware of it so he 

1470
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:33,200
would know less. 
Is at stake. 

1471
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:35,560
Than than Aria did. 
Aria is like Oh my God Barrack 

1472
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:37,120
is dead. 
And of course Aria is more 

1473
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:41,360
concerned that Sander was 
getting off without punishment 

1474
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:46,680
than than Lord Barrack's life. 
But similar enough, right? 

1475
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:49,000
And this this. 
Is a big deal for. 

1476
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:51,680
Aria as an aside because she's 
like wait I am positive he's 

1477
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:53,840
guilty. 
Lord of Light. 

1478
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:56,080
Screw you. 
You know, like. 

1479
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:58,520
I'm positive. 
Like why? 

1480
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:03,360
How can you anyway so? 
After Barack loses, you know if 

1481
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:04,440
you. 
Remember what happened? 

1482
01:13:04,440 --> 01:13:07,440
He's winning. 
Sandor's arm is on fire, and 

1483
01:13:07,440 --> 01:13:10,560
then Sandor makes a wild 
downward slash as hard as he 

1484
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:12,320
can. 
Barack easily blocks it, but 

1485
01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:15,680
Sandor's sword just crushes. 
Barack's sword breaks the blade 

1486
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:18,680
and hits Barrick right in the 
right where the shoulder and the

1487
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:24,760
neck meet and Thoros goes Lem 
Jack or names some people and 

1488
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:29,040
goes help me carry Barrick away.
Ned, you should come with this 

1489
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:33,120
is just a good evidence to me 
that Ned was there for all the 

1490
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:35,600
other resurrections too, because
Thoros thinks nothing of letting

1491
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:38,920
him bringing him back there. 
So then Aria gets mad. 

1492
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:40,320
She's like I can't believe this 
happened. 

1493
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:44,480
She grabs A dagger, tries to go 
at Sandor and Sandor's like, go 

1494
01:13:44,480 --> 01:13:47,160
ahead, kill me. 
If you want me dead that bad, do

1495
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:49,040
it. 
You know, he he he does the he 

1496
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:52,080
starts to do the thing that he 
will do later when he wants her 

1497
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:54,320
to kill him when he's in this 
massive pain, he's like he tries

1498
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:57,160
to taunt her into doing it. 
This is a little milder version 

1499
01:13:57,160 --> 01:14:02,400
of that, but he basically kind 
of insults her and and talks 

1500
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:04,680
about bad things he's done to 
get her to go ahead and go ahead

1501
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:07,520
and do it then, and he's just in
bad sorts there. 

1502
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:10,640
His a piece, his arm, like the 
flesh off his arm sloughs off. 

1503
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:13,360
The burns were that bad. 
And he faints when that happens.

1504
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:16,960
And then of course, what happens
is you go to hell, Hound, you go

1505
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:21,760
to hell and Berrick appears 
behind, coming back out of the 

1506
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:23,280
cavern that they had taken him 
to. 

1507
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:26,400
And he's like he has. 
And. 

1508
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:29,560
It's the end of the chapter. 
And so Aria has seen the her 

1509
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:32,400
barrack rise again. 
But Ned has seen this several 

1510
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:35,080
times already. 
He presumably witnessed this 

1511
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:36,920
one. 
So after the duel. 

1512
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:39,560
She gets to speak with Ned A. 
Little bit Ned tries to be her 

1513
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:41,640
friend. 
That's when we had those earlier

1514
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:43,720
conversations. 
He's being polite, he's a good 

1515
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:47,280
kid, and Gendry tries to mock 
them and Aria's a bit wary, 

1516
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:49,760
though Aria's like she doesn't. 
She has trouble trusting. 

1517
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:52,680
In general. 
Which is understandable, but 

1518
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:55,560
when Edric brings up the stuff 
about milk brothers and all 

1519
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:58,520
that, well, she's like, is he? 
Is he telling the truth? 

1520
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:01,560
So you know, and then then he 
says something else that upsets 

1521
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:04,040
her. 
Let's let's talk about that now.

1522
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:06,760
This next section is called What
does He Know? 

1523
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:09,720
Let's begin it with a quote 
this. 

1524
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:11,120
Conversation that I was just 
teasing. 

1525
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:16,840
Let's have it, Arya. 
Was lost who's Willa? 

1526
01:15:17,440 --> 01:15:18,560
Jon Snow's mother. 
He. 

1527
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:20,800
Never told you. 
She served us for years and 

1528
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:24,240
years, since before I was born. 
John never knew. 

1529
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:29,640
His mother, not even her name. 
Arya gave Ned a wary look. 

1530
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:35,720
You know her, truly. 
Is he making mock of me? 

1531
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:38,320
If you lie, I'll punch your 
face. 

1532
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:42,200
Willa was. 
My wet nurse, he repeated 

1533
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:44,320
solemnly. 
I swear it on the. 

1534
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:47,600
Honor of my house. 
That's when she says. 

1535
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:49,960
You have a house and then it 
comes out who he really is. 

1536
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:52,560
And so this revelation is pretty
big, right? 

1537
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:54,600
We we discussed some of the 
implications before. 

1538
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:56,400
Let's discuss a different angle 
of it. 

1539
01:15:57,200 --> 01:16:00,840
Arya and Edrick's conversation 
has a lot in common with brands 

1540
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:03,920
conversation or story time, 
because it's this is a story 

1541
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:06,600
time kind of deal with Jojen and
Mira regarding the tournament of

1542
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:08,720
Harrah Hall. 
This is a smaller version of 

1543
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:12,640
that but it's very similar vibes
happens in a similar ish point 

1544
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:14,800
in the story. 
In both cases we have someone 

1545
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:18,840
telling a Stark a story about 
the tourney of Harrenhal that 

1546
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:23,280
this Stark has not heard and 
both storytellers are surprised 

1547
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:27,040
that the Stark hasn't heard it. 
Jojen and Mir are surprised that

1548
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:30,520
Bran hasn't heard the story of 
the Kranigman and Liana and all 

1549
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:35,840
that, just like Edrick is 
surprised that Aria doesn't know

1550
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:38,200
about Willa being Jon Snow's 
mother. 

1551
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:41,760
Edrick is also surprised Aria 
had never heard about a shark 

1552
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:43,360
committing suicide of a broken 
heart. 

1553
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:47,520
Over Ned Stark, that is. 
Who who met her at the? 

1554
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:50,560
Tourney just as Jojen and Mira 
know what they know because 

1555
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:53,120
their father told them. 
Edrick was told that Ned and 

1556
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:57,040
Ashara were in love by his aunt 
Elyria, but this is when Aria. 

1557
01:16:57,040 --> 01:16:58,920
Shuts down. 
She doesn't want to hear it. 

1558
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:02,000
She doesn't love the idea. 
She in fact hates the idea of 

1559
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:04,440
hearing that her father loved 
anyone else. 

1560
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:06,560
Like Nope, my father was my 
mother and that's it. 

1561
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:11,240
This is a very young person 
reaction to hearing the the 

1562
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:14,360
shattered illusion of your 
parents being perfect. 

1563
01:17:14,480 --> 01:17:16,600
You know, and, and, but she's 
also wrong. 

1564
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:18,680
This isn't imperfect. 
It's not an. 

1565
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:21,280
Imperfection at all. 
Catlin and Ned were not married 

1566
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:23,680
when this happened. 
In fact, they weren't even 

1567
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:25,400
betrothed. 
Brandon was still alive. 

1568
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:27,800
So it was just something that 
Harwin explains later. 

1569
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:29,880
Harwin's like, look, Aria, 
there's no dishonor here. 

1570
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:31,600
You got to put this together. 
You got to consider the 

1571
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:34,960
timeline. 
He, he, he. 

1572
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:38,240
Points out he's like, yeah, the 
story of Ashara's suicide over 

1573
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:39,920
broken heart. 
Yeah, I've heard that story too.

1574
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:43,480
But there was also grief over 
Arthur, that part Ned didn't 

1575
01:17:43,480 --> 01:17:45,080
mention, Ned Dane didn't 
mention. 

1576
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:48,200
So Harwin adds the part that 
Ashara, that's part of what she 

1577
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:50,280
was going through was the was 
the grief over Arthur Dane. 

1578
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:53,960
Part of that may be that she may
be the one that revealed the 

1579
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:56,800
location of the Tower of Joy. 
Eddard had to find that out 

1580
01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:00,760
somehow and that would be 
potentially something that she 

1581
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:06,440
was very guilty over etcetera. 
Now Harwin also says, hey Aria, 

1582
01:18:06,440 --> 01:18:09,160
don't mention any of this Willa 
Chardine stuff to your mother 

1583
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:11,840
because at the. 
Time they were going to. 

1584
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:13,320
River. 
And that was their plan to to 

1585
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:16,360
ransom her to the Starks or to 
Rob and Catlin. 

1586
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:18,280
And he's like, yeah, don't 
mention this Willa Chard. 

1587
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:20,160
The same does the Chardain 
stuff. 

1588
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:22,720
That's kind of. 
Funny now? 

1589
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:26,160
Thinking about Lord Eddard and 
why he hid these, this 

1590
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:28,880
information from Bran and Aria, 
etcetera. 

1591
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:33,480
This is just par for the course.
Ned concealed all sorts of 

1592
01:18:33,480 --> 01:18:35,040
details from his family about 
this. 

1593
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:36,560
He, he tried to protect them 
from the worst of it. 

1594
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:40,520
Catlin didn't know just how bad 
Brandon and Rickard's deaths 

1595
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:42,280
were. 
He just said, Oh yeah, a 

1596
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:45,240
beheading and another execution 
or strangling and a beheading or

1597
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:46,680
whatever. 
He didn't, he didn't talk about 

1598
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:50,280
the fire, the, the slow burning,
the slow strangulation, the, the

1599
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:53,600
setup. 
He just declined to give them 

1600
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:55,880
those details. 
Not to keep it from them for 

1601
01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:58,160
some, obviously for some 
nefarious purpose, but to keep, 

1602
01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:01,880
spare their feelings, right? 
But now she's learning the other

1603
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:05,920
way 'cause Edric Dane had no 
idea her father spared her those

1604
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:10,000
feelings. 
As we know, Ned returned Dawn to

1605
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:14,040
Starfall after the events of the
Tower of Joy, after he and Hal 

1606
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:16,760
and Reid killed Arthur, and 
after the others were all 

1607
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:19,840
killed. 
But he had also gone before in 

1608
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:22,840
search, right? 
So this is supposedly the cover 

1609
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:27,360
story has to be that he's 
searching for the Tower of Joy. 

1610
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:29,640
They go to Starfall, and that's 
when Willa gets pregnant with 

1611
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:31,240
John. 
That's that has to be a because 

1612
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:33,680
it can't, it wouldn't really 
make sense for John for Ned to 

1613
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:38,600
go to Starfall, return Dawn and 
John to be born. 

1614
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:41,720
Then where's the nine months? 
Where's the gestation period for

1615
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:43,880
this kid? 
Even people who don't know much 

1616
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:45,840
about babies would would catch 
that. 

1617
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:47,320
That's too big of a detail to 
leave out. 

1618
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:50,520
So the implication has to be 
that Willa got pregnant before 

1619
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:54,000
Ned returned at Starfall. 
Unless he stayed there for a 

1620
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:55,600
year, nine months, which that 
doesn't make. 

1621
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:57,880
That doesn't clock either. 
Why would he be there for that 

1622
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:01,480
long? 
So you know, we don't. 

1623
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:04,320
Edrick never indicates he knows 
exactly what happened with 

1624
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:06,760
Arthur Dayne, but it seems to be
common knowledge. 

1625
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:08,080
So I I wouldn't worry about 
that. 

1626
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:11,360
But he he does mention the 
suicide of Ashara from the Pale 

1627
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:14,680
Stone Tower. 
But again, that. 

1628
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:16,560
He doesn't. 
Necessarily know the details. 

1629
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:18,080
He was not alive when that 
happened. 

1630
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:22,520
He she jumped from the tower. 
What was it 4? 

1631
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:24,320
3 or 4. 
Years before Edrick was born. 

1632
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:30,240
No, Barrick, No. 
Brotherhood a path for. 

1633
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:33,280
Ned Dane to become. 
Part of other plot lines he's 

1634
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:35,080
already not part of. 
The Brother Without Banners now 

1635
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:36,720
comes with Barrick's final 
death. 

1636
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:39,680
Let's go through that process 
when the Brotherhood. 

1637
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:41,120
Found Lady. 
Catlin in the river. 

1638
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:44,960
We know Barrick passed his life 
force to her despite protests 

1639
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:48,520
from Thoros and probably from 
others, probably Ned Dane as 

1640
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:50,920
well. 
Like no my Lord, no, my you've 

1641
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:54,000
been my mentor all this time. 
Don't go, don't leave us, 

1642
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:56,880
etcetera. 
Maybe there was some they may 

1643
01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:58,880
have thought highly of him for 
doing it anyway, just the 

1644
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:01,080
respect is there. 
But you know, they didn't want 

1645
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:03,160
to lose him, but he made-up his 
mind. 

1646
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:05,840
He's a single minded. 
We're we're told that George 

1647
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:09,760
doesn't use the word revenant, 
but he does say that these. 

1648
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:12,680
Dead beings. 
They maintain their sense of 

1649
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:16,320
purpose and lose much else. 
So that sense of purpose, that 

1650
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:19,080
unfinished business from their 
life, becomes the focus. 

1651
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:22,240
And he also hints that Barrick 
is extremely focused on that 

1652
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:25,920
because of the multiple deaths 
now maybe so there might have 

1653
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:26,800
been there would have been a 
good buy. 

1654
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:29,240
I don't think Barrick would be 
like Zoop give the life force to

1655
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:32,360
Catelyn and just collapses 
without saying something first. 

1656
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:35,400
You know, I'm sure he was like, 
you know, Ned to go out into the

1657
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:36,960
world, be good. 
Remember everything I've taught 

1658
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:38,400
you. 
Probably pretty poignant. 

1659
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:41,080
Probably there's a lot of 
probably poignant off screen 

1660
01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:46,360
moments between Ned Dane and 
Barrick that maybe Ned Dane will

1661
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:48,440
tell us about later. 
We there's an opportunity for 

1662
01:21:48,440 --> 01:21:51,280
him to relate some of those 
instances to us down the road. 

1663
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:53,480
And he he'd been. 
With Barrick since. 

1664
01:21:53,480 --> 01:21:55,760
He was 7, so I mean it's like 
half. 

1665
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:58,280
Almost half. 
His life and again father figure

1666
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:02,520
like to replace his real father 
because his father's dead now. 

1667
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:05,320
On the other hand, maybe Ned had
gotten used to the idea that. 

1668
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:06,840
This was a. 
Short term thing that the 

1669
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:09,840
barrack could not possibly keep 
going like this, that as an 

1670
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:13,400
undead being his time would be 
limited. 

1671
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:15,080
I don't know what he conceived 
of though. 

1672
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:16,880
I don't know what he's like. 
Well, because he doesn't know 

1673
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:18,640
how any of this works, we don't 
know how any of this works. 

1674
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:20,880
Either way, he would. 
Have been. 

1675
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:23,480
Riding with an undead mentor for
quite a while. 

1676
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:26,560
And so maybe he would have come 
to accept that yeah, this is 

1677
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:29,800
this is a short term thing, but 
this proves that he was devoted 

1678
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:32,120
to Barrick. 
He was a good Squire. 

1679
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:34,920
He was staying with Barrick as 
long as Barrick is walking. 

1680
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:37,400
Now, we can't say as long as 
he's alive because he clearly 

1681
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:41,880
stayed past that point. 
But as with Barrick's death, he 

1682
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:44,040
didn't have loyalty to the 
brother without Banner 

1683
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:48,800
specifically, and he maybe was 
uncomfortable following Catlin, 

1684
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:53,280
especially given her changing 
the way she sort of changed the 

1685
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:55,360
vibes of the Brotherhood. 
Instead of justice, they're 

1686
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:57,920
about revenge. 
And that's not honorable, that's

1687
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:00,560
not noble, that's not how he was
raised, that's not how he was 

1688
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:02,400
taught by barracks. 
So I think there's a lot of 

1689
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:06,640
reasons he would have left when 
Edrick goes back to Starfall. 

1690
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:08,560
I know we don't know that he's 
actually made it back yet. 

1691
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:10,160
Good chance he has. 
But. 

1692
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:13,160
Maybe not. 
Thinking back to Willa and 

1693
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:16,520
Catlin, would Edrick have a 
negative opinion of Catlin 

1694
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:19,360
because of what he might have 
learned from Willa? 

1695
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:22,080
Would Willa have said bad things
about Catlin because I mean, she

1696
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:24,520
lived up there in the North and 
maybe Catlin wasn't very kind to

1697
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:26,560
her. 
It's an assumption that Catlin 

1698
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:29,920
was unkind to Willa. 
It's not a a a definite she, but

1699
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:33,240
she was unkind to John. 
So if she thought now she 

1700
01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:34,840
doesn't think. 
Well Catlin didn't think Willa 

1701
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:36,480
was John's mother. 
If she did then she would be 

1702
01:23:36,480 --> 01:23:39,480
unkind to her for sure. 
But she was of the mind that 

1703
01:23:39,480 --> 01:23:41,520
Ashara Dane is John's mother, 
Catlin is. 

1704
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:45,960
So she might just have not cared
much about Willa at all, but 

1705
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:48,360
Willa would have said some 
things. 

1706
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:49,280
When? 
She got back. 

1707
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:51,560
She comes back from the North. 
They would have asked her some 

1708
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:53,360
questions, like, what was it 
like at Winterfell? 

1709
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:56,080
How did the Starks treat you? 
What about this and that and 

1710
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:58,680
this and the other? 
And are these secrets still 

1711
01:23:58,680 --> 01:23:59,960
held? 
Because Will is in on it. 

1712
01:23:59,960 --> 01:24:02,040
She was at the Tower of Joy. 
I love being like the only thing

1713
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:03,920
colder. 
Than the North is Lady Stark. 

1714
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:08,960
That's crazy. 
Like you, Eddard Stark. 

1715
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:13,640
Is cold man, but Lady Stark is 
worse so. 

1716
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:16,200
And Eddrick isn't the only one, 
right? 

1717
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:19,960
A lot of Brotherhood members 
were like, yeah, we're not 

1718
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:22,040
following Stone hard. 
It's not 'cause she's a woman, 

1719
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:25,080
it's because she's a vindictive 
revenant. 

1720
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:27,840
That is a horror. 
You know, walking horror. 

1721
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:32,200
Some of them may have left. 
Eventually, where some of them 

1722
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:35,160
may have left right away, I 
suspect Ned left right away. 

1723
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:37,400
So the other words that. 
Maybe. 

1724
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:41,800
Went with him are N guy Swampy 
Meg Swampy Meg. 

1725
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:45,480
What a name John O Nuttin 
Merritt O Moontown. 

1726
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:49,240
Sorry, John O Nuttin is the. 
Best name I hope John O Nuttin 

1727
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:51,200
and Swampy. 
Meg are a are a couple. 

1728
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:56,960
Merit. 
O Moontown Wadi, the Miller, the

1729
01:24:56,960 --> 01:25:00,560
Mad Huntsman, and the mad 
Huntsman and Green Beard were 

1730
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:06,040
sent S to buy food using the 
gold they got from the hound. 

1731
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:09,680
They confiscated, they they they
foraged from the hound as they 

1732
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:11,680
put it, and we we never hear 
them. 

1733
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:13,520
Again, we don't know. 
Whether they come back, whether 

1734
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:16,760
they were successful. 
They might have also decided to 

1735
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:18,880
part ways with the Brotherhood 
after the death of Barrick. 

1736
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:21,360
And maybe they are with Edrick 
now. 

1737
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:22,000
Like that's. 
A. 

1738
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:23,920
A reasonable option for some of 
them. 

1739
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:25,440
Is Edrick's going to go take up 
his lordship? 

1740
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:27,680
That's a great. 
Opportunity for these. 

1741
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:31,040
Outlaws to go to go straight so 
to speak because like yeah I'm 

1742
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:34,520
going to go with Edrick to be 
one of his men and I'll be an 

1743
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:38,080
employed Lords man. 
You know that'll my outlaw past 

1744
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:41,080
will be forgotten, especially 
with this new leader. 

1745
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:43,440
That's and, and how hard things 
are getting. 

1746
01:25:43,440 --> 01:25:47,120
Like they look at how Thoros is 
just, he's changed. 

1747
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:51,400
He looks bedraggled and he's his
morale is low and he's just 

1748
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:53,320
seeing it through 'cause he 
feels like he has to. 

1749
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:57,200
And people like Lem are kind of 
turning evil, Not evil, but dark

1750
01:25:57,200 --> 01:26:00,720
and and more violent and not so 
honorable, you know, not so 

1751
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:04,280
they've forgotten the lessons of
Barek out of the. 

1752
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:06,720
People I just named I think. 
Angai might be the one who 

1753
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:08,720
matters the most because he's 
the most competent, because he's

1754
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:12,600
extremely good at, well, he's. 
Angai the Archer, isn't he? 

1755
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:17,320
We have that theory that if Dark
Star comes for Edrick or Dawn 

1756
01:26:17,440 --> 01:26:20,480
and that means going through 
Edrick, then Angai would be the 

1757
01:26:20,480 --> 01:26:23,080
one of the people in his way and
that would be a tough person to 

1758
01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:28,880
overcome. 12 year old conqueror.
Remember that quote I gave at 

1759
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:30,720
the beginning? 
If a 12 year old has to conquer 

1760
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:33,000
the world, then so be it. 
George RR Martin. 

1761
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:35,360
So that was a in response to a 
question about the five year 

1762
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:38,200
gap. 
So Edrick would have been 17 or 

1763
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:40,040
18 had the five year gap 
happened. 

1764
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:42,760
I don't think it's unreasonable 
for George to just say, hey, you

1765
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:46,560
know, give him a growth spurt. 
You know, that's 13 or so. 

1766
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:48,720
That's a time when that happens.
It's not unrealistic. 

1767
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:50,840
He's going to have to do that 
with the Dragons too, probably. 

1768
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:53,360
So we got Dragons and Danes 
going fast. 

1769
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:56,360
Now, obviously, as I said also 
in the intro, no one's 

1770
01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:58,560
conquering the world here. 
This is a turn of a phrase by 

1771
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:00,120
George. 
Not even Daenerys is going to do

1772
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:02,440
that. 
Bran maybe could do that with 

1773
01:27:02,440 --> 01:27:04,960
his powers, but he's not going 
to. 

1774
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:06,880
Be 12, He would have been. 
After the five year gap. 

1775
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:10,080
But Bran, when the story ends, 
Bran won't probably even be 10. 

1776
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:14,320
Yeah, John, Danny, Sansa, 
they're all past 12 now and 

1777
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:17,040
again. 
I mentioned Bloody Ben as maybe 

1778
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:19,080
as a precursor to. 
Edrick. 

1779
01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:23,000
Now, but what does it mean 
though, if he doesn't mean 

1780
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:25,320
literal conquering the world, 
which he can't mean that, What 

1781
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:27,160
does he mean? 
Does it mean being a great 

1782
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:30,720
warrior, being a great leader at
a very early age, achieving 

1783
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:33,840
something important, defeating 
someone important, all of the 

1784
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:35,800
above. 
Each of those things could be 

1785
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:38,920
seen to have some overlap. 
So yeah, I kind of think that's 

1786
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:42,080
where he what he means by that, 
being a leader, being someone, a

1787
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:44,160
a boy or a girl. 
Doing. 

1788
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:46,040
A man or a woman's job, or a 
leader's job. 

1789
01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:48,800
Someone too young for that role 
normally. 

1790
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:52,360
The conflict that he seems to be
faced with now, now that he's 

1791
01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:54,760
moved theaters, he's moved from 
the Riverlands and the 

1792
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:58,840
Brotherhood to back to Dorn. 
The problem is this whole Dark 

1793
01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:03,360
Star drama with Marcella and and
Aryan and and all that and the 

1794
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:07,440
the death of Arias Oakhart. 
He could easily be pulled into 

1795
01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:09,760
that. 
Especially because that's the 

1796
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:12,440
direction things are headed. 
They're going over to High 

1797
01:28:12,440 --> 01:28:15,720
Hermitage which is north of 
Starfall, not super far away. 

1798
01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:17,760
Could easily see how they get 
pulled in. 

1799
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:22,040
I think if there's a very good 
chance that Edrick is pulled N 

1800
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:25,720
to the wall, what would Barrick 
do if the others? 

1801
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:26,920
Attacked the wall and everybody 
knew. 

1802
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:27,960
About it. 
And it was confirmed. 

1803
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:29,480
I think Barrick would be like, 
yeah, well, if we're going to 

1804
01:28:29,480 --> 01:28:31,400
defend the realm, that's the 
place to be. 

1805
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:33,200
That's the most. 
That's that's where the people, 

1806
01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:35,200
the honorable people need to be.
The people who were fighting for

1807
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:38,480
Westeros need to go there. 
And I think Edrick could easily 

1808
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:40,440
suss that out himself. 
Because what would Barrick do? 

1809
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:42,600
He would go north too. 
He would go north, fight at the 

1810
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:44,240
Wall. 
He would go fight the others. 

1811
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:47,600
He would go fight the undead, 
even though he's one of them 

1812
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:50,400
now, George has not revealed. 
The Dane. 

1813
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:53,200
House words, but he has created 
them apparently and he hasn't 

1814
01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:56,360
revealed them because they might
be spoiler which is like, oh, is

1815
01:28:56,360 --> 01:28:58,920
it something about Lightbringer 
or Dawn or both? 

1816
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:01,640
I mean, those things could 
easily go together, so it's 

1817
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:02,760
your. 
Guess is as good as. 

1818
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:04,560
Ours. 
I guess at this point Nina's got

1819
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:08,560
some guesses as what that means.
But yeah, I think if George has 

1820
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:12,800
plans for him, which meaning how
he hasn't abandoned his original

1821
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:16,640
plans for Edrick, it seems very 
likely this is I'd put this at 

1822
01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:17,640
the top of the. 
List that he gets. 

1823
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:20,440
Involved in the War for the 
Dawn, especially because it 

1824
01:29:20,440 --> 01:29:23,360
would allow him to interact with
these Stark characters who might

1825
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:24,960
be in the North as well who 
should be in the North, 

1826
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:27,360
especially John and perhaps 
Danny as. 

1827
01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:29,680
Well, if she goes north. 
On the other hand, we've talked 

1828
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:32,880
him up as a, as someone who's 
ahead of ahead of himself age 

1829
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:36,040
wise and leadership wise, 
maturity wise, he hasn't killed 

1830
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:37,840
anyone. 
So I, I talked about him being a

1831
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:41,240
survivor and fairly competent in
battle, but he hasn't 

1832
01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:45,000
necessarily proven himself as a,
you know, the guy in front 

1833
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:46,880
that's that's wading through the
enemy. 

1834
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:49,960
You know, being a survivor isn't
the same as being a killer. 

1835
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:51,440
He says it. 
OK, cool. 

1836
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:52,640
He says it, yeah. 
I don't know. 

1837
01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:55,200
Like since we've last seen him. 
He's gone a lot, you know what I

1838
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:56,480
mean? 
Yeah, it's possible he's killed 

1839
01:29:56,480 --> 01:29:57,400
someone since. 
But. 

1840
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:01,440
After the trial by combat with 
Sandor, Ari is like, how do you 

1841
01:30:01,440 --> 01:30:02,320
kill? 
You know, how many people have 

1842
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:03,760
you killed? 
He's like, I what? 

1843
01:30:04,440 --> 01:30:06,800
You know, he's like, he's like, 
I've never killed anyone, you 

1844
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:07,920
know? 
And he's startled by the 

1845
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:09,720
question, So. 
And Aria's like, well, I killed 

1846
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:11,280
someone when I was eight. 
Well, she doesn't say that she 

1847
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:13,760
thinks it, but he's like, hmm. 
So. 

1848
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:17,600
And Aria's a good question. 
Will she encounter him again? 

1849
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:21,520
Will Aria and Edrick meet again?
If he goes N, Aria's probably 

1850
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:22,840
going to go back to the North, 
too. 

1851
01:30:23,160 --> 01:30:25,800
So yeah, why not? 
If not, then it's kind. 

1852
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:27,560
Of hard to imagine them. 
Meeting up because I do think 

1853
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:30,120
Aria will go north and if Edrick
doesn't go north then he's 

1854
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:33,520
probably still down in Dorn, 
which I really doubt Arda goes 

1855
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:36,280
there and yeah and by then he 
probably will have killed 

1856
01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:39,280
somebody so. 
Yeah, now I've killed somebody, 

1857
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:41,840
y'all? 
Could George have plans for him 

1858
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:43,600
to meet Jon Snow? 
That is one of the more 

1859
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:47,360
compelling possibilities because
of, well, the milk brother 

1860
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:49,120
thing. 
Side by side fighting the others

1861
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:51,480
with his milk brother with his 
sword of milk glass. 

1862
01:30:51,480 --> 01:30:54,920
Potentially that. 
Is not hard to imagine at. 

1863
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:57,280
All Edrick doesn't know enough. 
To. 

1864
01:30:57,280 --> 01:30:59,320
Tell Jon what really happened 
about his past. 

1865
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:03,240
But the fact that he knows the 
name of John's mother, even 

1866
01:31:03,240 --> 01:31:06,040
though he's wrong, most likely 
John doesn't know better. 

1867
01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:09,000
So John will be like, really? 
You know, my mother, you. 

1868
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:11,160
Is he still alive? 
And, and he, Edrick would say, 

1869
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:14,120
would probably say yes, Will is 
still alive down there at 

1870
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:15,840
Starfall. 
That's because there's no 

1871
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:18,120
indication she's dead. 
Edrick didn't speak of her in 

1872
01:31:18,120 --> 01:31:20,520
the past tense. 
He said has worked for them for 

1873
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:22,360
years and years. 
In fact, he speaks of her in the

1874
01:31:22,360 --> 01:31:23,600
present tense as if she's still 
alive. 

1875
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:28,920
So I very much assume she's 
alive and John may have given up

1876
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:33,000
on ever learning about his 
mother now that Eddard is dead. 

1877
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:35,920
He's like, well, that's the only
person that might have told me, 

1878
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:38,600
unless, unless she appears and 
tells me, Hey, I'm your mom. 

1879
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:42,160
So this is this is a possibility
John is probably never 

1880
01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:45,040
considered. 
And this this Dane kid shows up 

1881
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:49,320
and has a similar vibe to John, 
like he's a guy that is noble 

1882
01:31:49,320 --> 01:31:51,560
and honorable and forthright. 
John would, would appreciate 

1883
01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:53,360
that, you know, he would respect
that. 

1884
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:56,600
And now this kid has family 
secrets about him too. 

1885
01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:59,120
That that could be really 
interesting. 

1886
01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:02,240
Bran though, what if he needs 
Bran? 

1887
01:32:02,240 --> 01:32:04,040
This is another one that's 
really hard to figure. 

1888
01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:07,800
We have long said that not. 
Just because of the TV. 

1889
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:11,600
Show that, yeah, Bran could be 
the one to reveal the tower Joy 

1890
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:14,680
stuff by simply looking into the
past, but he has to have a 

1891
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:18,000
reason to do that. 
Something has to clue him in to 

1892
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:20,840
that path to look in in the 
first place. 

1893
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:22,760
Unless he knows about the tower 
Joy. 

1894
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:25,440
Unless he has a reason to look. 
It's like the Dewey Decimal 

1895
01:32:25,440 --> 01:32:27,200
System, like a library card 
thing. 

1896
01:32:27,440 --> 01:32:30,200
If you know where the book is on
the shelf, you can read it. 

1897
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:31,760
But if you don't even know that 
book. 

1898
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:34,200
Exists. 
Even if you're omniscient, sort 

1899
01:32:34,200 --> 01:32:36,240
of like Bran is, he doesn't know
where to look. 

1900
01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:38,560
He doesn't know to look into the
tower, Joy. 

1901
01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:42,360
He hasn't heard of it. 
So if someone like Edrick Dane 

1902
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:46,680
brings it up to him, he'd be 
like, huh, well, let me gaze 

1903
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:49,160
into the past and and see that 
for myself. 

1904
01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:50,520
And then he would learn the 
truth of it. 

1905
01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:52,880
And then that would be an 
opportunity for George to put it

1906
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:55,960
on page. 
That's a very compelling idea, 

1907
01:32:55,960 --> 01:32:58,040
isn't it? 
Right now, Bran? 

1908
01:32:58,040 --> 01:32:59,240
Doesn't. 
Even know there's a mystery 

1909
01:32:59,240 --> 01:33:01,920
about John's parentage, if that 
if the idea is raised, he'd be 

1910
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:06,840
like interesting, you know, let 
me find out you know and Bran 

1911
01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:09,480
again, Bran's one of the few 
people with the literal power to

1912
01:33:09,480 --> 01:33:11,440
be able to do that. 
The information could be passed 

1913
01:33:11,440 --> 01:33:14,920
along in a mundane fashion, but 
nothing would convince us more 

1914
01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:18,480
as readers of the truth of 
something that we've been given 

1915
01:33:18,480 --> 01:33:22,040
several versions of, right. 
There's a lot of different 

1916
01:33:22,040 --> 01:33:24,640
stories about John's parentage. 
Even though us experienced 

1917
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:27,400
readers, those of us deep in the
fandom, are pretty darn sure 

1918
01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:31,000
it's Rhaegar Liana George may 
want to present it in a way that

1919
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:35,200
leaves no doubt, which in a 
brand vision would leave no 

1920
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:36,960
doubt. 
That's not a person's opinion. 

1921
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:38,400
That's not a person telling a 
story. 

1922
01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:41,640
That's us seeing what happened 
through Bran's vision of the 

1923
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:43,640
past. 
And there's no indication those 

1924
01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:47,640
visions are are mistaken, or 
that someone makes them look 

1925
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:49,440
like they're not. 
There's every indication that 

1926
01:33:49,440 --> 01:33:52,480
other visions are really what 
happened, Sansa. 

1927
01:33:52,480 --> 01:33:53,160
As well. 
It's kind of. 

1928
01:33:53,160 --> 01:33:55,440
Interesting. 
You know, obviously I hate to 

1929
01:33:55,440 --> 01:33:57,880
bring the show up too much, but 
the way they finished the show 

1930
01:33:57,880 --> 01:34:02,760
was with her Queen of the North 
without a husband, which could 

1931
01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:04,600
very well be how it goes. 
Nothing she doesn't need a 

1932
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:07,520
husband, but if she does have 
one, this would be kind of a 

1933
01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:09,640
cool option. 
You know, like I said, someone 

1934
01:34:09,640 --> 01:34:13,040
near her age, someone 
upstanding, nightly, virtuous 

1935
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:15,920
highborn. 
An interesting connection. 

1936
01:34:16,360 --> 01:34:18,960
That's a really far apart 
marriage, like a stark marrying 

1937
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:22,680
a Dane is kind of cool and a 
little bit unheard of that far 

1938
01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:25,040
away like that. 
So I I kind of like the. 

1939
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:27,400
Idea. 
I'm not as big on. 

1940
01:34:27,400 --> 01:34:29,280
This. 
Idea as I am some of the others,

1941
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:32,040
but I wanted to go through all 
the possibilities and this one 

1942
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:33,680
seems kind of fun, seems kind of
interesting. 

1943
01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:36,520
There's something to it, maybe. 
As we said, Ari is a great 

1944
01:34:36,520 --> 01:34:38,400
possibility. 
I'd love to see them meet again.

1945
01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:41,280
But Danny is another very 
compelling possibility. 

1946
01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:44,360
Again, we bring back the 
possibility that they are aware 

1947
01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:48,120
of their ancestral connection 
between Deanna Dane, even if 

1948
01:34:48,120 --> 01:34:50,840
Danny doesn't know that. 
She doesn't have a lot of 

1949
01:34:51,440 --> 01:34:53,680
knowledge of her own family 
history, a lot of specifics. 

1950
01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:58,920
Hedrick probably knows. 
I mean, right what you don't 

1951
01:34:58,920 --> 01:34:59,920
forget. 
That. 

1952
01:34:59,920 --> 01:35:02,760
You don't forget that your house
married in the Targaryens, you 

1953
01:35:02,760 --> 01:35:05,120
would trumpet. 
That in fact, that's. 

1954
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:08,480
A A the thing you would 
highlight for others to take 

1955
01:35:08,480 --> 01:35:11,000
note of, like, Yep, we were 
chosen as brides to the 

1956
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:13,320
Targaryens when they were Royals
back in the day. 

1957
01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:15,120
Yeah, that's a that's a thing to
flout. 

1958
01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:19,280
Sword of the Morning question 
mark. 

1959
01:35:20,280 --> 01:35:22,280
It has. 
Long been a theory that edrick. 

1960
01:35:22,280 --> 01:35:25,280
Was going to be the sword of the
morning after the five year gap.

1961
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:27,280
Is that still the case? 
Is he too? 

1962
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:30,080
Young or is it a case of a 12 
year old has to conquer the 

1963
01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:30,680
world? 
So be it. 

1964
01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:32,120
Can a 12 year old sword in the 
morning exist? 

1965
01:35:32,120 --> 01:35:36,560
Or 13 year old that might be 
stretching the notion? 

1966
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:37,720
Of what a sword in the morning 
is. 

1967
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:41,760
But these are unusual times. 
These are just an extreme era. 

1968
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:44,000
This is an extraordinary moment 
in time. 

1969
01:35:44,320 --> 01:35:46,480
George may have hinted at 
getting around the age thing, so

1970
01:35:46,480 --> 01:35:49,560
we can maybe set that aside. 
The personality, the honor, the 

1971
01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:52,800
nobility, the the people he 
learned from, the people he 

1972
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:56,200
looks up to, that all fits. 
Like you got to be a good, you 

1973
01:35:56,200 --> 01:35:59,040
got to be virtuous and skilled 
to be sort of the morning. 

1974
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:02,320
Seems like he's on that track, 
if not already there. 

1975
01:36:02,880 --> 01:36:05,440
Again, he never was seriously 
harmed. 

1976
01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:07,320
Despite all those deaths of 
Barrack. 

1977
01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:11,160
He somehow got through all that 
again, in some cases, no one to 

1978
01:36:11,160 --> 01:36:12,480
want to kill him. 
They want to capture him and 

1979
01:36:12,480 --> 01:36:15,160
ransom him. 
But he didn't get captured and 

1980
01:36:15,160 --> 01:36:16,920
Squires do die in battle all the
time. 

1981
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:21,040
He survived the Mummers Ford. 
He probably fought in the battle

1982
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:23,480
where Barrick had his second 
death, which when he took a Mace

1983
01:36:23,480 --> 01:36:27,440
to the head by Burton Krakal, 
one of the most obvious signs 

1984
01:36:27,440 --> 01:36:29,960
that this is not a living man, 
his head is caved in. 

1985
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:33,520
Like he usually wears. 
A helmet over it. 

1986
01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:36,280
But like, again, Ned Dane's 
going to see him without his 

1987
01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:37,600
clothes on. 
He's going to be the guy that 

1988
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:39,640
dresses him. 
No one's going to be up closer 

1989
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:40,920
to those wounds other than 
Thoros. 

1990
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:44,640
And this might be like a tie. 
He fought in that battle of the 

1991
01:36:44,640 --> 01:36:46,880
Burning Sceptre. 
As we saw from Mario's point of 

1992
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:50,560
view, Vargo Haute killed him 
right Greg? 

1993
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:53,960
Or killed him a second time. 
Ned made it through. 

1994
01:36:53,960 --> 01:36:58,280
All these right? 
Now we again referring. 

1995
01:36:58,280 --> 01:37:02,240
To the theory of dark stars 
creation was maybe to seize dawn

1996
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:05,920
because Edrick can't wield it. 
That doesn't mean they can't 

1997
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:08,560
both wield it. 
Dark star could steal it and 

1998
01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:10,400
then Edrick could get it back. 
Something like that. 

1999
01:37:10,400 --> 01:37:13,040
Or or maybe the darker version 
where Edrick wields it and the 

2000
01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:17,000
dark star takes it. 
The original plan for Aegon, I 

2001
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:20,320
mean Edrick, well an Aegon was, 
could have been for Edrick to be

2002
01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:22,240
an ally of Aegon's instead of 
Dark Star. 

2003
01:37:22,240 --> 01:37:26,320
Now that's changed, maybe Edrick
will be someone else's ally 

2004
01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:29,600
instead since Dark Star and 
Edrick won't likely be on the 

2005
01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:32,280
same side. 
That could have been tragic. 

2006
01:37:32,280 --> 01:37:34,080
For the. 
Original plan, Edrick teaming up

2007
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:36,560
with Aegon, like, yeah, 'cause 
Aegon's probably not going to 

2008
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:39,720
end well and a lot of his allies
won't either, but maybe some of 

2009
01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:43,240
them will will be, will turn to 
Danny instead of like, yeah 

2010
01:37:43,240 --> 01:37:46,000
we'll, we'll fight for you 
instead if none of this dark. 

2011
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:48,840
Star business happens. 
If our theory is wrong, if Dark 

2012
01:37:48,840 --> 01:37:51,600
Star never has anything to do 
with Dawn, or if he just fails, 

2013
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:53,520
or if it just goes some other 
direction that we haven't 

2014
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:57,080
predicted, Yeah, Adric. 
Could claim it himself, I mean. 

2015
01:37:57,280 --> 01:37:59,800
Would it be dishonorable? 
Would it be a compromise? 

2016
01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:02,640
Or again, is it a a sign of the 
times? 

2017
01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:05,960
Extraordinary to Kimes The 
others are invading. 

2018
01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:09,040
You got to bust Dawn out. 
Screw this old rule. 

2019
01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:11,760
We need everything we can get to
win the dwarf for the Dawn. 

2020
01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:14,920
We need Dawn to win more for the
Dawn and this is this question. 

2021
01:38:14,920 --> 01:38:16,880
Is difficult. 
For us to answer, because we 

2022
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:19,520
don't know what the selection 
criteria is in in the 1st place,

2023
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:23,720
we know it has to be virtuous, 
competent, well, virtuous and 

2024
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:26,600
excellent fighter. 
But that is that's not that 

2025
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:29,480
specific, right? 
How what to what level of 

2026
01:38:29,480 --> 01:38:32,480
virtuosity? 
What level of competence is in 

2027
01:38:32,480 --> 01:38:37,480
combat and who decides where? 
Who makes the choice? 

2028
01:38:37,480 --> 01:38:39,480
Like who's going to say if 
Edrick? 

2029
01:38:39,480 --> 01:38:40,920
Danes. 
Like, yeah, I'm taking it. 

2030
01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:43,200
Who's going to say no? 
To him, who's going to? 

2031
01:38:43,200 --> 01:38:46,520
Tell him he can't. 
His, his uncles, his cousins, I 

2032
01:38:46,520 --> 01:38:47,920
don't even know if those people 
exist. 

2033
01:38:48,480 --> 01:38:51,560
So it might be just no one's 
going to say no, I get to do it.

2034
01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:55,960
That's that now. 
Is Don Lightbringer Is. 

2035
01:38:55,960 --> 01:38:58,880
That related to the motto that 
we haven't been told yet. 

2036
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:01,920
I'm I would. 
Rate that a lower. 

2037
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:03,320
Possibility. 
I think the Dragons are 

2038
01:39:03,320 --> 01:39:05,360
Lightbringer. 
There's but there could be 

2039
01:39:05,360 --> 01:39:08,440
multiple Lightbringers and 
whether or not it is 

2040
01:39:08,440 --> 01:39:11,880
Lightbringer is a separate 
question from what people in the

2041
01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:14,600
story think. 
Some people think Stannis's 

2042
01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:17,240
Lightbringer is Lightbringer. 
They don't have to be right? 

2043
01:39:17,240 --> 01:39:19,880
They aren't, but they act as if 
it's true. 

2044
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:21,640
That's what I'm pointing out 
here. 

2045
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:24,600
Edrick and. 
Maybe some other people might. 

2046
01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:28,760
Think Dawn is Lightbringer. 
They might be wrong, but it's a.

2047
01:39:28,760 --> 01:39:31,160
Valid theory that. 
A lot of people in the fandom 

2048
01:39:31,160 --> 01:39:33,160
have, so why not people in the 
story? 

2049
01:39:34,280 --> 01:39:37,760
Let's return to this Arthur 
Dayne Edrick parallel. 

2050
01:39:38,520 --> 01:39:40,360
As we said, they're both. 
Kingsmen. 

2051
01:39:40,680 --> 01:39:44,120
Arthur to a greater extreme, 
being a King's guard who became 

2052
01:39:44,120 --> 01:39:49,400
outlaws because their side lost.
Now Arthur became outlaw when 

2053
01:39:49,400 --> 01:39:51,800
Aries fell to Robert Baratheon 
and Edrick became outlaw when 

2054
01:39:51,800 --> 01:39:53,440
Robert in turn fell to the 
Lannisters. 

2055
01:39:53,440 --> 01:39:55,880
So it's kind of like it's both 
involves Robert. 

2056
01:39:56,800 --> 01:39:58,640
Technically it was the 
Lannisters both times who did 

2057
01:39:58,640 --> 01:40:01,480
the felling of the kings, but in
terms of who actually claimed 

2058
01:40:01,480 --> 01:40:04,880
the throne, yeah, it was Robert 
so and then Joffrey. 

2059
01:40:05,080 --> 01:40:08,160
So not just a regime change. 
But a regime changed while 

2060
01:40:08,160 --> 01:40:10,640
they're in the field. 
It's like, oh, that's bad. 

2061
01:40:11,200 --> 01:40:15,320
So these parallels again with 
Arthur might be a clue to his 

2062
01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:18,520
sort of the morningness, right? 
He's following in some similar 

2063
01:40:18,520 --> 01:40:22,680
footsteps, helping the 
commoners, being virtuous, 

2064
01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:25,640
surviving a lot of battles. 
You know, it's there's a lot of 

2065
01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:30,280
similar things going on here. 
And then again, I'd I just love 

2066
01:40:30,280 --> 01:40:33,840
the image of John wielding 
Longclaw, a side Edrick Dane 

2067
01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:37,280
wielding Dawn, hanging out with 
the undead, his old hat for 

2068
01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:38,320
Edrick. 
He's not going to be 

2069
01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:40,480
uncomfortable with that, not 
more than other people would, 

2070
01:40:41,200 --> 01:40:42,640
doing what's right no matter 
what. 

2071
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:46,240
He stuck with Barrick as an 
undead being. 

2072
01:40:47,120 --> 01:40:49,720
Barrick was doing good and I was
like that mattered to him more. 

2073
01:40:49,720 --> 01:40:53,360
His his dedication to Barrick 
and Barrick's dedication in turn

2074
01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:56,360
to justice and honor in 
protecting the small folk kept 

2075
01:40:56,360 --> 01:41:00,160
Edrick there. 
So if Edrick teams up with John 

2076
01:41:00,160 --> 01:41:03,560
and sees some of those same 
vibes, some of those same 

2077
01:41:03,560 --> 01:41:07,440
virtues in John, including being
a Firewhite. 

2078
01:41:09,320 --> 01:41:11,040
Then. 
Yeah, that's going to be. 

2079
01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:14,040
Someone he would gravitate 
towards if he gets the chance 

2080
01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:17,480
and they have at least a a a 
thing to kick it all off being 

2081
01:41:17,480 --> 01:41:21,400
hey, I'm your milk brother man, 
let's get to talking and see 

2082
01:41:21,400 --> 01:41:24,160
where this goes. 
Lot of compelling. 

2083
01:41:24,160 --> 01:41:25,200
Possibilities y'all. 
Right. 

2084
01:41:25,200 --> 01:41:29,200
Like he's a Dane. 
He might know things about Star 

2085
01:41:29,200 --> 01:41:32,200
Fall's history, Dawn's history, 
even if he never wields the 

2086
01:41:32,200 --> 01:41:33,800
sword. 
He might have some info for us. 

2087
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:36,640
There's just so many things he 
might know, so many things he 

2088
01:41:36,640 --> 01:41:38,640
might know that aren't true. 
That will still be telling. 

2089
01:41:38,640 --> 01:41:41,000
The fact that he believes it's 
Willa is telling, even though 

2090
01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:42,520
that's almost certainly not 
true. 

2091
01:41:43,560 --> 01:41:47,360
And what George has planned for 
him, I mean, he, he, he, there's

2092
01:41:47,360 --> 01:41:50,600
really no one like him in terms 
of the five year gaps 

2093
01:41:50,600 --> 01:41:53,280
implications. 
The Starks are still the Starks.

2094
01:41:53,280 --> 01:41:56,560
George isn't going to be like, 
well, since I can't age Sansa up

2095
01:41:56,640 --> 01:41:58,720
five years, I'm going to cut her
from the story. 

2096
01:41:59,080 --> 01:42:02,320
That's not a possibility. 
He might have changed his plans 

2097
01:42:02,320 --> 01:42:05,320
for Sansa, but he didn't change 
them. 

2098
01:42:05,480 --> 01:42:07,600
Like. 
Massively right. 

2099
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:09,840
Same goes for all the Starks. 
Like none of them are getting 

2100
01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:11,440
cut from the story because of 
the five year gap. 

2101
01:42:11,440 --> 01:42:14,840
I don't think Edrick would 
either, but he of all the 

2102
01:42:14,840 --> 01:42:17,760
characters I can think of, the 
five year gap might infect him 

2103
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:19,600
the most. 
And that's. 

2104
01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:23,680
Very interesting. 
I do think I'm going to 

2105
01:42:23,680 --> 01:42:25,560
reiterate. 
That he belongs in that Squire 

2106
01:42:25,560 --> 01:42:28,400
Hall of Fame with Podrick Egg 
and a few others. 

2107
01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:31,240
And by that I don't mean 
fighting skill, though that 

2108
01:42:31,240 --> 01:42:33,760
helps a little bit. 
I mean loyalty to the night they

2109
01:42:33,760 --> 01:42:38,320
serve, dedication, honor. 
The qualities that we look for 

2110
01:42:38,320 --> 01:42:42,080
in adults like Duncan the Tall, 
Brienne and Corin Halfand and 

2111
01:42:42,080 --> 01:42:44,520
Jon Snow. 
These are leaders that are 

2112
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:49,680
worthy of that and are worthy of
Squires like these because they 

2113
01:42:49,680 --> 01:42:55,320
have a similar attitude towards 
virtue and honor and justice. 

2114
01:42:56,080 --> 01:42:59,840
So I think Edrick, despite what 
I just said about him, it's 

2115
01:42:59,840 --> 01:43:01,080
actually. 
A possibility that George. 

2116
01:43:01,080 --> 01:43:03,280
Just gets written doesn't have a
big plan for him. 

2117
01:43:03,280 --> 01:43:04,920
I I doubt that. 
I think he still has a 

2118
01:43:04,920 --> 01:43:07,320
significant role to play even 
though it's been changed from 

2119
01:43:07,320 --> 01:43:10,120
its original conception. 
I think it's probably like Sansa

2120
01:43:10,120 --> 01:43:12,920
and Arya and John. 
The plan changed a little bit 

2121
01:43:12,920 --> 01:43:15,760
because of the lack of aging up,
but it's still a similar plan 

2122
01:43:15,760 --> 01:43:18,800
from the original conception. 
And the best evidence for that 

2123
01:43:18,800 --> 01:43:21,440
is George's comment. 
If a 12 year old has to conquer 

2124
01:43:21,440 --> 01:43:24,640
the world, so be it. 
Again, he said that in reference

2125
01:43:24,640 --> 01:43:26,960
to the five year gap. 
He's a unique. 

2126
01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:28,720
Character who is Lord? 
Of the one of the most unique 

2127
01:43:28,720 --> 01:43:32,360
houses whose story is tied to 
perhaps both House Stark and 

2128
01:43:32,360 --> 01:43:35,400
House Targaryen. 
In addition to many enduring 

2129
01:43:35,400 --> 01:43:38,520
mysteries, another incredible 
job of character creation and 

2130
01:43:38,520 --> 01:43:41,720
writing by George RR Martin. 
Few questions. 

2131
01:43:41,720 --> 01:43:43,200
From y'all let's. 
Let's talk. 

2132
01:43:43,200 --> 01:43:44,600
Let's get these handled for 
y'all. 

2133
01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:46,960
Kimber Lafay asks how does the 
timeline of Barracks first 

2134
01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:48,840
resurrection fit with the return
of Dragons? 

2135
01:43:49,160 --> 01:43:51,560
Were they hatched yet to bring 
the magic back? 

2136
01:43:52,240 --> 01:43:55,760
No, they were not. 
That's a great question, by the 

2137
01:43:55,760 --> 01:43:56,920
way. 
Yeah, that Dragons were not 

2138
01:43:56,920 --> 01:43:58,240
hatched yet. 
The Dragons were hatched at the 

2139
01:43:58,240 --> 01:44:02,040
end of Game of Thrones and 
Barracks. 

2140
01:44:02,040 --> 01:44:04,880
Resurrection. 
Happens like halfway through 

2141
01:44:04,880 --> 01:44:06,760
Game of Thrones. 
So that like early, like midway 

2142
01:44:06,760 --> 01:44:10,240
through the book, because, yeah,
when Barrack is sent out, you 

2143
01:44:10,240 --> 01:44:12,600
know, Ned is still alive. 
Ned has just broken his leg. 

2144
01:44:12,600 --> 01:44:14,840
Yeah, that's, that's maybe a 
part past halfway, but it's 

2145
01:44:14,840 --> 01:44:15,800
nowhere near the end of the 
book. 

2146
01:44:15,800 --> 01:44:18,360
So I think, yeah. 
So this is a good example of 

2147
01:44:18,360 --> 01:44:20,480
magic. 
Excuse me, magic prior to the 

2148
01:44:20,480 --> 01:44:22,520
Dragons. 
It's an argument against the 

2149
01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:26,240
Dragons being the 'cause it's an
argument that the Dragons are a 

2150
01:44:26,360 --> 01:44:29,320
one of the symptoms. 
Another example of that is the 

2151
01:44:29,320 --> 01:44:31,080
others returned before the 
Dragons came back. 

2152
01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:34,160
Melisandre's had powers before 
the Dragons came back. 

2153
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:37,080
Blood Raven had powers, you 
know, there's, there's, there 

2154
01:44:37,080 --> 01:44:40,720
are magics that were got used 
before the Dragons came back. 

2155
01:44:41,320 --> 01:44:43,040
Even if they're less powerful, 
they were still there. 

2156
01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:45,840
Yakiniko says. 
Has Edrick been converted to 

2157
01:44:45,840 --> 01:44:48,120
relore during his time in the 
Brotherhood or does he stay with

2158
01:44:48,120 --> 01:44:50,320
the Seven despite his 
experiences and all he has 

2159
01:44:50,320 --> 01:44:51,600
witnessed with Barrack and 
Thoros? 

2160
01:44:52,040 --> 01:44:54,360
That's a great question and I 
something I meant to mention, so

2161
01:44:54,360 --> 01:44:55,520
I'm really glad you pointed it 
out. 

2162
01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:58,200
I, I, I had this in my notes and
I must have skipped it somewhere

2163
01:44:58,560 --> 01:45:03,800
because Barrack says he knighted
everyone, all men, though he 

2164
01:45:03,800 --> 01:45:07,240
said he knighted all the men 
Berk and Edrick is a boy. 

2165
01:45:07,320 --> 01:45:08,840
So I don't think he counted him 
as a knight. 

2166
01:45:08,840 --> 01:45:09,760
So I don't think he knighted 
him. 

2167
01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:12,520
I think he would have said so if
he had been knighted, he would 

2168
01:45:12,520 --> 01:45:15,720
be Sir Edrick. 
He's not Sir Edrick, he's just 

2169
01:45:15,720 --> 01:45:17,040
Edrick. 
He's Lord Edrick, but no one 

2170
01:45:17,040 --> 01:45:18,480
even calls him Lord Edrick. 
They call him Ned, you know. 

2171
01:45:18,480 --> 01:45:22,720
So I don't think he's a knight, 
but if he is, then it was done 

2172
01:45:22,720 --> 01:45:25,280
under the auspices of Relor. 
But I still think he's probably 

2173
01:45:25,280 --> 01:45:27,600
O 7 worshipper. 
I doubt he abandoned the seven. 

2174
01:45:28,160 --> 01:45:31,280
He was raised on them, and he's 
a, you know, he's more likely to

2175
01:45:31,280 --> 01:45:34,960
do a do a synchronous thing 
where he he worships them both. 

2176
01:45:35,640 --> 01:45:37,000
But, yeah, that's a good 
question. 

2177
01:45:37,760 --> 01:45:39,200
Yeah. 
A weezy squeeze box says the 

2178
01:45:39,200 --> 01:45:41,160
meteor also appears before the 
return of the Dragons. 

2179
01:45:41,160 --> 01:45:44,160
Yes, absolutely. 
The comet appears like before. 

2180
01:45:44,160 --> 01:45:45,520
Yeah. 
It's like in the sky when Danny 

2181
01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:48,480
begins the ritual. 
It's also in the sky well before

2182
01:45:48,480 --> 01:45:51,760
that. 
Maester Lewin is looking at it 

2183
01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:54,960
through his mirrorish lens at 
one point, very early in the 

2184
01:45:54,960 --> 01:45:56,120
story. 
I think it's actually during 

2185
01:45:56,120 --> 01:45:57,720
Brand's vision when he's in a 
coma. 

2186
01:45:57,720 --> 01:46:01,320
He's picturing Lewin making 
notes while looking at the sky, 

2187
01:46:01,320 --> 01:46:03,200
and it's like, well, that comet 
is there. 

2188
01:46:04,640 --> 01:46:07,600
Yaki Nikko also. 
Points out Alexander the Great 

2189
01:46:07,600 --> 01:46:09,800
was 16 when he was given his 
first command and LED that army 

2190
01:46:09,800 --> 01:46:11,960
to V4. 
Years before his father died, 

2191
01:46:12,760 --> 01:46:14,200
that is. 
True, in fact. 

2192
01:46:14,440 --> 01:46:17,880
I'm glad you mentioned that 
because that's getting into 

2193
01:46:18,200 --> 01:46:20,960
what's going to be happening in 
our ancient Greece episodes that

2194
01:46:20,960 --> 01:46:23,120
we're doing right now. 
And yes, Alexander the Great 

2195
01:46:23,120 --> 01:46:25,720
will be appearing in that sort 
and that battle that you're 

2196
01:46:25,720 --> 01:46:27,720
referring to. 
I will be going into great 

2197
01:46:27,720 --> 01:46:30,560
detail with that, so let's save 
that for later. 

2198
01:46:30,600 --> 01:46:33,080
For now, we'll just point out, 
yes, Alexander the Great was 

2199
01:46:33,080 --> 01:46:35,800
like basically the second in 
command for Philip the second 

2200
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:38,640
his father. 
And he was already leading. 

2201
01:46:38,680 --> 01:46:41,240
Yeah, he was already leading 
large parts of the army at that 

2202
01:46:41,240 --> 01:46:44,240
age. 
Dornish Dame 383 says Edward the

2203
01:46:44,240 --> 01:46:46,440
Black Prince also commanded the 
vanguard at Cressy when he was 

2204
01:46:46,440 --> 01:46:48,480
only 16. 
Yeah, Edward the Black Prince 

2205
01:46:48,480 --> 01:46:53,120
was exceptional. 
He is somewhat Rhaegar vibes 

2206
01:46:53,120 --> 01:46:54,560
there. 
George has compared him a little

2207
01:46:54,560 --> 01:46:57,960
bit to Edward the Black Prince, 
and yeah, this kid was very 

2208
01:46:57,960 --> 01:47:01,320
Marshall from a young age, very 
excellent fighter from from a 

2209
01:47:01,320 --> 01:47:03,560
young from a young age. 
Going forward. 

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Trivia answer How old was Edrick
Dane when he became Lord 

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Barrick's? 
Page 7. 

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Yeah, seven years old he went. 
So he's. 

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You know, he spent seven years 
in Starfall and then the next 

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5-6 with Barrick and now only a 
matter of months have passed 

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since then. 
So he's now, I guess he's now 

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he's on his own for the first 
time or, and kind of in charge 

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of his own destiny, not 
following anybody. 

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Now he's got people following 
him like an guy and Swampy Meg 

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01:47:28,720 --> 01:47:31,240
and John O Nuttin. 
Hey, they've got a place to be 

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01:47:31,240 --> 01:47:34,080
alone now. 
Like they can have a, they can 

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01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:37,880
have a nice bed at Starfall. 
Our poll results. 

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Will. 
Edrick gain wield Dawn pretty 

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01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:45,280
close, pretty close yes, 57% no 
43%. 

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So those of you hearing those 
numbers, this is during the live

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stream. 
I'm also, we're also going to 

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have that poll for those of you 
listening on the podcast. 

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So check that vote out and 
register yours. 

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See if it goes the same way or 
not. 

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01:47:55,840 --> 01:47:59,960
And we will reveal that answer 
in a future Q&A episode. 

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Reveal that total rather the 
poll results. 

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I mentioned Dark Star in this 
episode, so why not check out 

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01:48:06,200 --> 01:48:08,360
our dance with Dark Star episode
if you have not, There's 

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definitely some crossover here 
and a lot of Dane content. 

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01:48:11,720 --> 01:48:13,600
And we did a full episode of the
Brotherhood without Banners 

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01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:15,640
earlier this year. 
In fact, if I remember 

2236
01:48:15,640 --> 01:48:18,240
correctly, there's obviously a 
good bit about Edrick in there 

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01:48:18,240 --> 01:48:20,480
and more about Barrick and 
Thoros and a lot of the other 

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01:48:20,480 --> 01:48:23,080
stuff. 
And Speaking of Thoros, we did 

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01:48:23,080 --> 01:48:25,800
an episode on him, The Full Life
of Thoros, which obviously 

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includes some of this as well. 
So there's a good amount of 

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overlap there. 
And of course, any episode. 

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01:48:31,560 --> 01:48:35,000
We discuss. 
Has some overlap with our Valar 

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01:48:35,000 --> 01:48:39,040
rereader series because that is 
the entire coverage of the Song 

2244
01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:41,840
of Ice and Fire novels, so of 
course our coverage of these 

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01:48:41,840 --> 01:48:45,320
chapters is relevant as well. 
Thanks again. 

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To Nina. 
For her great assistance or 

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01:48:47,680 --> 01:48:49,480
great notes, Lots of good stuff 
in here. 

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01:48:49,680 --> 01:48:53,760
She's also been hard at work on 
some more Targaryen Kings 

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01:48:53,760 --> 01:48:56,080
episodes, which we'll be 
bringing to you in the short 

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term and in the long term 
because hey, there's multiples 

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01:48:58,600 --> 01:49:01,080
we got working. 
Thanks as well to Joey Townsend 

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01:49:01,080 --> 01:49:04,880
for our music and to Michael 
Klarfeld for the maps you see 

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01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:09,280
behind us and for our video that
starts the episode on behalf of 

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Ushera, I'm Aziz. 
We'll see you next time, and you

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know what to do. 
Until then, Valar Rereadus.