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most chapters. 
Many people saw him as the main 

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character. 
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gone. 
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character at All, In A Song of 
Ice and Fire, not a singular one

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anyway. 
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Ned's did Ned's dead baby. 
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Now is as a father figure in 
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and roles more common and 
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character while doing what 
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So well, breaking a lot of those
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grain and some ways but not all,
it's a huge part of how the 

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story begins. 
Ned gives bran more than one 

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teachable moment during that 
execution seen in this first 

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chapter and the things that 
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discussion about fear and the 
All these, the cam with caring 

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for a dangerous pet. 
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talk about how Ned educated as 
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and talk about how he was in 
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siblings and those around him, 
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child, they say. 
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castle several surrounding 
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winter town as we all know, or 
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their own children is deeply 
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by their Her own parents in turn
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before them and other factors, 
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well, it all goes back and 
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mothers and fathers and there's 
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Dancing on the strings of those 
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And one day, our own children 
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dance on in our stead's it's a 
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know, this is Terry. 
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control are, his parents was a 
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most, not all parents view their
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Like he says, they're puppets 
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undeniably impacted by those who
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Tyrion, very much impacted by 
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Even though that's no, there's 
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choices for us, parents do and 
the world around them pressures.

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illustrious houses or whether 
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something, similar to that Ned's
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In many ways though is a typical
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Sure, much of it was typical. 
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He rode horses. 
Read and learn to write and math

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and all that other aspects were 
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And some of those are painted as
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Thrones. 
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of the books, we learn actually,
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things differently, broke some 
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was involved in serious 
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that or? 
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argue, which in itself was a bit
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of the north, meaning staying 
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games, that's how it usually 
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And young, Ned was not raised to
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with those far more versed in 
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His parents were gone and all 
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the Nights Watch soon, after 
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So he didn't have uncle's, or 
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help him though. 
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Luwin house, Cassell and others 
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been around since he was a kid, 
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the vale. 
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the south that other starts 
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which was kind of the point of 
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the first place. 
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him apart somewhat from previous
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The veil is the reason he was so
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and a few others, which of 
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With all that more on this 
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podcast, Hello and welcome 
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It's not a fun topic. 
I think we've got lined up for 

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you today. 
How are you feeling today? 

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Sean you ready for this? 
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revealed to us that Ned's 
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standard or traditional as it 
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conservative character, like 
maybe not like conservativeness 

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sense of modern American 
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the idea that tradition, he's 
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kind of reserved. 
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from the north for things are 
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bustling and you know, maybe 
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know, they're the oldest house 
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Ned is actually pretty 
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He's pretty okay, with Aria 
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sword. 
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elements of his Decisions and 
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Progressive than you might think
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even people in the might seem to
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Like King's Landing not that 
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conservative but I feel like Ned
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towards gay people for example 
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Kingsland. 
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tearing might be more okay with 
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But like we're not going to give
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So we're about the objects of it
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more, okay? 
The last word The Optics more 

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word about doing the right 
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Anyway, we've got many thoughts 
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immediately. 
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So yeah, lots of things like 
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Why we got where we are now? 
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out to our good friend, Nina 
almost every episode features, 

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her thoughts, and I want to 
shout out her blog as I often 

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do. 
Good Queen Alia tumblr.com, 

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that's one. 
L in a lie. 

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Latest question there on on Ano 
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Sansa and talking about the 
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you as an advisor there, maybe 
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whether that might happen. 
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of what sansa's Entourage at 
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when and if she return to 
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won't say Yes we were. 
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ifs and there's a what half? 
A percent less than a don't 

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He doesn't go back to work. 
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past it with those thoughts, but
I do have a drink here, with a 

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couple new things. 
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flavor called Mountain. 
No purple Thunder her space. 

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Unlike tastes like grape 
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Tastes like fun banners. 
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called Juneberry, which also 
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medicine is June. 
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But I also added the rainbow 
Naked drink and a raspberry 

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Sparkling Ice which makes up for
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It's very pretty. 
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could see that being a Heart 
Tree read you know the red 

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leaves apart Fates in northern 
part 3 red I've got on my really

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old Ned Stark on the Iron Throne
Veil of Maya shirt build my has 

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metalcore Deathcore band that 
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they had the shirt for sale 
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weren't licensed to sell but I 
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And yeah there's no promotion. 
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see where it says bail Maya but 
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face. 
I made a mistake, I meant to 

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wear my Brands big shirt and 
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forgot to change out of my 
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rod to see a project to the 
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So this episode was voted on by 
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Next week is going to be bail or
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It's gonna be another one of 
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we're going to record an advance
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out in the chat if they want. 
They're still going to be a 

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Just won't be. 

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We just won't be responding to 
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recording it in advance. 
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ultimately a very similar 
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the office. 
If this episode ends, and you're

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still wanting more, we have 
suggestions for related topics 

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to want things that come up in 
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the end along with the answer to
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will, which is, who is the first
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We see take a drink of any kind 
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And a Game of Thrones / Song of 
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It's funny that I specified A 
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because you, like, if I didn't 
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think, whoa, is this no one? 
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Kings. 
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It's like there's no one taking 
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second book like, yeah, people 
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wear those chapters are shorter 
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have time for things like 
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you didn't really send her this 
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prominent in my mind was the 
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Versus nurture. 
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If you do, you know we weren't 
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makes Ned, who he is, and how 
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plays out. 
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to say right now, but I know I'm
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that line. 
Come up right on the way. 

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It's a good place to be. 
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It is difficult to frame. 
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without having first hand 
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regardless. 
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something I helped you get out 

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of it is in your Next reread. 
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You will enjoy it thoroughly and
a lot more understanding of why 

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Ned makes a decision. 
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because and why he reacts the 
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why certain things really bother
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He kind of shrugs off that you 
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and how so much of what's 
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him of his, teen years all over 
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History repeats itself for Ned 
Stark and a lot of very 

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uncomfortable ways and seeing a 
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We love The same people, Robert 
Tywin, Jamie different houses, 

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if not the same individuals, and
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upbringing is at the core of all
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And let's start with a quote 
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Catland to, as net expresses 
frustration at his own 

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uncertainty, in the face of 
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Joffrey And I was only 12 when 
my father promised me to your 

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brother Brandon that brought a 
bitter twist in his mouth 

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Brandon yes, Brandon will know 
what to do. 

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He always did was all meant for 
Branding, you Winterfell 

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everything. 
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and father to Queens, I never 
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me. 
Perhaps not Catelyn said, but 

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Brandon is dead and the cup has 
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it, like it or not, and turned 
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Back to the night, he's just 
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watching the moon and stars, 
perhaps, or perhaps the sentries

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on the wall, Caitlin soften been
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It was dark. 
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voice as custom decreed, but 
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Still lay between them as did. 
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he would not name the woman. 
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This passage is doing a heck of 
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It's tearing us towards 
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believes about Jon Snow's 
parentage, but Nez refused The 

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tell her the truth is rooted in 
his promise to Liana which is 

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part of his upbringing. 
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loyal to his sister? 
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upbringing that devotion that 
love, as well as what he knows 

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about his best friend's views on
targaryens. 

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He knows how Robert would react 
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part of his difficulty here as 
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He thought his sister would 
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that Brandon would rule 
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So his life definitely didn't go
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I mean who Who's it's they're 
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their family. 
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the way they did and they were 
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herrings about huijeong's mother
is one of the prominent names is

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a Shard Dane. 
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instead of Caitlin Catlin, you 
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what's your Rara instead of 
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Martin writes that it's a shadow
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just John's parentage. 
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Shadows that Brandon's death 
left behind that Leon. 

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That's left behind that red 
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mention stuff on cattle inside 
to, from her family, but it's a 

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bit too big of for us to bite 
off all at. 

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by his father. 
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He wasn't told, you must marry 
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father, I mean, that would have 
happened that his father still 

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been alive, but he was the Lord 
of Winterfell. 

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When he married Catlin, he had 
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could have been. 
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And though, Ned was indeed, 
probably not that cut out to be 

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a hand of the king at least not 
in the times, he found himself 

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as hand of the king. 
He did turn out to be a great 

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Lord of Winterfell. 
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at ruling. 
It just, you know, that one job 

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more cut out for them, the other
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He holds himself to a high 
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he learned as an adult so much, 
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I mean, he probably continued to
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didn't start like, it was 
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weird. 
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isn't something we only glean 
from others, our own education, 

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our own growth. 
A lot of it comes from with it, 

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not all of it certainly. 
And this is part of the nature 

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versus nurture argument or a 
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The way you nurture yourself and
the way you engage with nature 

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around you And that's a big part
of that story. 

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He did have a huge support 
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and then it was gone all of a 
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says in the quote that huge 
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towards educating him as a 
second son. 

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He was well supported but it 
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direction that he ended up. 
They put him on a different 

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path, one that he had to switch,
even Rob who found himself 

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thrust into lordship. 
And then kingship, before 

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expectations for such, and it's 
a mall. 

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She was time to say, the least 
he was at least Educated to be 

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the eventual Lord of Winterfell.
His education was for a first 

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born so he was at least more 
prepared in that sense. 

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Not to mention, he was educated 
by our subject today who did 

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live through similar times with 
a lot of similarly tragic 

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outcomes like the loss of their 
father to a King who wasn't all 

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there mentally. 
Right? 

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Very similar, Ned gets his head.
Chopped off by Joffrey Brandon 

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and Rick Carter killed by Ares. 
And of course, there were all 

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out of manipulation by Powers 
behind the throne in both these 

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cases As well. 
But that is our Target today to 

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look at Ned's life from birth up
until a point about the point 

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where Robert's Rebellion began 
right up to the point where he 

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lost his support system brought 
up the point where he became 

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Lord of Winterfell. 
I'd say that's a fair line in 

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the sand to say. 
Okay. 

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Well if he wasn't a man before 
this, he certainly is now 

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because he has the 
responsibilities of an adult, 

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whether he was fully ready for 
it or not, but he was about 19 

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that point. 
So he wasn't Young by the 

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standards of his times but still
young by a lot of standards and 

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You know, it's you're never too 
old or young to lose your entire

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family. 
One thought that I had about the

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nature versus nurture thing. 
I was reminded think it was a 

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couple weeks ago when we did the
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And it's in fact, I think it's 
come up a few times, but the 

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idea that almost all the houses 
that we have much history on 

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have, at least one leader in 
their background, who was insane

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or drunk, or the otic or 
whatever, you know. 

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So, seems problematic leader in 
a past except for the Starks, we

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don't really have an example of 
some abusive wild leader in 

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Stark history. 
It's complicated trying to 

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study. 
Like I don't know, Evolution and

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nature versus nurture but this 
is like a dynamic that 

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scientists consider. 
Is it a more were like Society? 

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Maybe. 
They're that way because they're

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under more pressure right there.
They're in a contentious land 

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where tribes are constantly 
fighting and so whatever trait 

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might be in someone that 
encourages aggression or 

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violence, Gets encouraged like 
the people who were like that or

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more likely to survive and lead 
and so then even maybe, when 

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they finally conquer their 
enemies, there's that DNA. 

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That bit of genetic hereditary 
personality still in that 

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culture. 
Now, they have some, they have 

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to have someone to fight. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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Do the flip side of that. 
Might be true to, if you're in a

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culture where you need to be 
cautious and plan ahead, if you 

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need to have a conservative 
mindset like the north might 

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have. 
Yeah, people who are that way. 

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The impulsive Reckless people 
need. 

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Elves out of the gene pool, calm
for thinking, people become the 

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leaders and pass those jeans on,
and maybe that's why. 

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In the reach winners, 
bountifulness they can get away 

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with screwing things up and it 
can pass on some veggies cover. 

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Don't have enough food in the 
north. 

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It just won't work. 
You have to have had this 

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genetic tendency for calmness 
and forward-thinking, and that's

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why we don't get these bad 
leaders. 

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But on some level that to 
affect. 

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And, you know, of course, 
there's always exceptions. 

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So, you know, however, much you 
can even measure these genetic 

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influences, but it is tendency, 
we've certainly noticed that 

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seems to be the case with Ned 
and ours until his father. 

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And yeah, but maybe not as maybe
not Ned's brother, Ned. 

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Other is maybe a little 
different. 

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Yeah that's a something that 
comes up in this episode and 

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some of those differences and so
yeah, you're right. 

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They can't afford to have that 
kind of leadership because they 

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would, it risks wiping them out 
entirely because natural 

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consequences? 
Yeah, literally in nature. 

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So he was born in the year to 63
and his dad horse Rickard Stark.

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We don't know when he was born, 
but he probably wasn't old at 

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this point because all of his 
children were born within a 

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pretty quick succession roughly 
a nine-year period all The four 

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children. 
So we could guess that's 

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unlikely to have been later in 
life. 

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For the simple reason that he 
didn't marry multiple times so 

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it's not like he didn't have 
children with his first wife 

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that would explain that him kids
early. 

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His mother was Liara Stark they 
were first cousins, we go 

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through the genealogy, pretty 
thoroughly in the Royce episode 

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because they both come from the 
Royce Stark marriage that came 

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several Generations back. 
We know even less about Lee are 

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then we know about Rick hard. 
I'm somewhat assume she died. 

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Well before Hard. 
Well it's a pretty safe 

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assumption honestly. 
Let's let's take a look at some 

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events that happened around this
time to get set the stage for 

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what Westeros was, like maybe 
what the vibe was like, things 

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like that for years prior to his
birth was summer haul. 

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Okay? 
So rhaegar was born at summer, 

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all right, during the 
conflagration. 

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So that's the death of egg on 
the 5th. 

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And Jerry's, the second becomes 
king and pycelle becomes Grand. 

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Mesa that same here because of 
that grand maester died during 

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summer all now 260 the following
year was a warm night, many 

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kings. 
And the death of Roberts 

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grandfather, Lord, Orman by 
maelys. 

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The Monstrous. 
And Robert's father, Stefan 

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becomes Lord of storms end. 
And of course, the war of 90 

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Kings is when a lot of new 
friendships between various 

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Lords became setup because they 
formed friendships on the 

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battlefield. 
And on campaign that includes 

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Lord Rickard having friendships 
with several of these Southern 

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Lords, which leads to the 
relationships that form the 

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entire backbone of the story, or
at least the early backstory in 

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the story, Robert. 
Valuing all that the your 261, 

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the following year is the year 
of the Rains of Castamere. 

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The following year 262 is when 
Jerry second dies only a 

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three-year Reign. 
And then Aries becomes the king 

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and Tywin is named hand almost 
right away and Brandon Stark and

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Robert Baratheon, or both born 
that same year, this is a pretty

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important year. 
And then the following year, 

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that is born and Tywin and 
Joanna are married. 

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Then the following year Stannis 
is born. 

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Two years after that Jaime and 
Cersei following year, 26, 87 is

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probably when Leon it was born. 
It may have been to 66 and then 

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benjen. 
It's less clear, sometime in the

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next few years, I leaned closer 
to the year 271 but not super 

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important to 67's. 
When Tywin becomes Lord of 

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casterly rock to 68, is when 
Petyr Baelish is born, another 

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character with a very small role
in this episode, so that's 

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roughly what was going on 
around. 

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Then I just want to say how to 
think of a nice turns before, 

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but you know, we've posed a lot 
about like the rise in magic. 

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And the world and seems to be 
centered around. 

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Danny birth in the dragons the 
red comet coming the others. 

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Got your what the cause and 
effect is is unsure. 

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But a lot of these key players 
were born in the wake of Summer 

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haul. 
Yeah, maybe that was when the 

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magic was at least beginning to 
rise or the seeds have been 

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planted for it. 
That it's possible because maybe

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that's why he thought part of 
why I thought would work because

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of some environmental 
conditions. 

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Yeah there's still a lot of an 
awful lot of mystery. 

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Maybe it did work, maybe it was.
Like blessed. 

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These births were cursed at 
first. 

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Yeah. 
So though Aires and Tywin later 

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turned animosity, they were very
close and worked. 

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Well, early on. 
Let's not forget that and this, 

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is that era. 
So, that's important to remember

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because casterly, Rock, having a
strong relationship with the 

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throne. 
It's a big deal to the other 

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high Lords. 
It might even be a threat. 

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Some of the positioning and 
marriage alliances made in this 

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era, were response of sorts to 
these developments and there 

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were no lack of new friendships.
Like we said made during the war

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of ninepenny Kings, Tywin and 
Aries. 

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Are an example of that although 
austere and Peter's dad as well,

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though, Tywin and areas were 
actually knew each other before 

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the war, they may have, he was 
already a cup Bearer for egg. 

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Tell you one who's been watching
your Crusader Kings dreams? 

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Knows that hostert Iowans are 
really close. 

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Ha, ha ha. 
That's right. 

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In my Crusader Kings streams, 
Tywin and hospira became lovers.

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Now Tywin is broken up again, 
because he was already broken up

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about the death of Joanna, would
not take a new lover. 

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But this is, this was this the 
bet, the real reason why is 

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because he was, was a cover 
story for Is bisexual side, but 

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hostile died. 
He came over after yet again. 

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Now, he's taking on a new Young 
lover going. 

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Really, your old man? 
That's coming around. 

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I think at first, he was like 
now, but I think I think 

449
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:19,800
eventually he's like, all right,
I'm getting lonelier time would 

450
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,600
roll in his grave hearing this 
really, really well. 

451
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:28,300
That's why we were doing it. 
Yeah, so Tywin already new areas

452
00:22:28,300 --> 00:22:30,600
before, but you can presume. 
They got little closer as 

453
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,300
battlefields. 
Tend to do that. 

454
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:36,000
Ring and going through danger 
together, tend to grow closer to

455
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,400
people. 
You're around Jon Arryn and 

456
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:39,900
Rickard Stark though. 
It's probably the one that 

457
00:22:39,900 --> 00:22:42,100
matters most here though. 
That's a doll that I want. 

458
00:22:42,100 --> 00:22:46,000
Every step is A build-up to the 
Cornerstone of a relationship. 

459
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,700
As far as education. 
Rick guard need a points out. 

460
00:22:49,700 --> 00:22:53,100
Would have been, of course, the 
leader of the northern forces, 

461
00:22:53,100 --> 00:22:56,000
this is one of the few times 
where the warden the system 

462
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,200
comes into play Warden of the 
north south east west, all that.

463
00:22:59,300 --> 00:23:01,900
The reason so rarely comes into 
play, is because it's meant for 

464
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,100
foreign invasions, which like 
that's so rare that there are 

465
00:23:05,100 --> 00:23:08,500
foreign invasions for Westeros 
but more than K, many kings was 

466
00:23:08,500 --> 00:23:12,800
one such event. 
So Rickard Stark as we've gone 

467
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,500
over another episode, there's no
time we ever know of when a 

468
00:23:15,500 --> 00:23:17,100
stark, wasn't he Warden of the 
north. 

469
00:23:17,100 --> 00:23:19,400
So it's a pretty safe. 
Assumption Jon Arryn was 

470
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,800
definitely Warden of the East, 
so they were literally be the 

471
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,600
same rank working on the same 
problem. 

472
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,500
Same planning sessions and all 
that. 

473
00:23:27,500 --> 00:23:29,600
And I suppose they got along 
well because I don't think you 

474
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,300
send your son. 
Just Foster was someone that you

475
00:23:31,300 --> 00:23:33,500
hate. 
Especially when you have plenty 

476
00:23:33,500 --> 00:23:35,600
of other choices, especially 
when you don't normally send 

477
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,400
your son to the south at all. 
So there's a very strong case to

478
00:23:39,408 --> 00:23:42,100
be made that they not only got 
along, they got along well, 

479
00:23:42,500 --> 00:23:43,700
right? 
I think that's pretty safe 

480
00:23:43,700 --> 00:23:46,200
assumption, the Tully's as well 
because those were the three 

481
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:51,700
houses that really were the core
of this new sort of Proto 

482
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,200
Southern conspiracy is what it's
called in some circles. 

483
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:59,300
But we don't have to call it 
that it's just, it doesn't to be

484
00:23:59,300 --> 00:24:00,300
our Boris. 
Yeah. 

485
00:24:00,300 --> 00:24:02,200
Can just be like, they all got 
along. 

486
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:03,700
Yeah. 
Mutually beneficial Arrangement 

487
00:24:03,700 --> 00:24:06,000
between people who trust each 
other and had a lot of power, 

488
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,300
right? 
And maybe they were worried 

489
00:24:07,300 --> 00:24:10,100
about what other people's power 
bases were going to do to them. 

490
00:24:10,300 --> 00:24:12,200
Yeah. 
Lots of reasons for them to act.

491
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,900
The way they did in response to 
what was going on around them in

492
00:24:14,900 --> 00:24:18,500
the realm, neither says, with 
past Kings, like Aries, the 

493
00:24:18,500 --> 00:24:20,900
first and egg on the 5th. 
Not holding up with these Lords 

494
00:24:20,900 --> 00:24:22,200
might have seen is the Crown's 
end of the feudal. 

495
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,500
Bargain Rick are John and the 
Tully Brothers might have 

496
00:24:24,500 --> 00:24:27,600
thought that it was high time. 
They made sure of that by 

497
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,900
forming an alliance and better 
asserting themselves, asserting 

498
00:24:30,900 --> 00:24:33,900
themselves as a group. 
Rather than individually against

499
00:24:33,900 --> 00:24:36,200
the crown. 
Obviously, that's a more like a 

500
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:37,400
union. 
The pilots Union of hi? 

501
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,000
Laura, its Terra incognita says 
stabbed alive. 

502
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:46,300
Yeah, stab start telling me 
Aaron breath style of it or 

503
00:24:46,300 --> 00:24:48,300
bats. 
That's backwards. 

504
00:24:48,300 --> 00:24:56,700
I have, of course. 
This Alliance means marrying, 

505
00:24:56,700 --> 00:24:59,800
his children to Southern houses.
That's not a change for the 

506
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,200
errands, for the Tully's were 
the wrapping they were already. 

507
00:25:02,300 --> 00:25:04,400
He doing that all the time 
hearing their children with in 

508
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:05,900
other Southern houses. 
So that's that mrs. 

509
00:25:05,900 --> 00:25:07,500
Ethic new. 
So, Rick guard is the one that's

510
00:25:07,500 --> 00:25:09,000
having to do something a little 
different. 

511
00:25:09,300 --> 00:25:11,400
So he's the one that has to 
change something in the north. 

512
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,100
This is he's the only one 
breaking tradition to make this 

513
00:25:14,100 --> 00:25:17,100
Alliance work because there's no
like, oh, we don't know Ally 

514
00:25:17,100 --> 00:25:20,200
with Starks. 
That's not a thing for the South

515
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,600
who doesn't want the Starks 
help, you know, they're too 

516
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,000
powerful to want them on the 
other side, right? 

517
00:25:25,300 --> 00:25:27,300
But a lot of times they just 
stay out of things. 

518
00:25:27,300 --> 00:25:30,100
So yeah, so this is one of the 
many things that makes it 

519
00:25:30,100 --> 00:25:31,600
different. 
This is a world. 

520
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,300
Ned Stark is To where Southern 
and Northern politics are an 

521
00:25:35,300 --> 00:25:38,100
entirely different game. 
And it's a not a settled game. 

522
00:25:38,100 --> 00:25:39,800
This is a new thing. 
It's like, well, how is this 

523
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,100
going to play out in the long 
term? 

524
00:25:42,300 --> 00:25:45,000
And A Song of Ice and Fire, 
we're still seeing that long 

525
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,400
term. 
It's only been about 40 years 

526
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,300
since that's not long term, in 
terms of History playing, that's

527
00:25:49,300 --> 00:25:52,100
like two and a half generation 
that most, right? 

528
00:25:52,300 --> 00:25:55,400
Even. 
Going back to the conquest. 

529
00:25:55,700 --> 00:25:59,400
It's especially given that a key
Dynamic that existed at that 

530
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,600
moment, went away on a hundred 
years later, the dragons, right?

531
00:26:03,100 --> 00:26:05,400
Don't even decipher, Robert's 
Rebellion, like things are still

532
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,600
unfolding. 
That's still relatively small 

533
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,600
amount of time in history, you 
know. 

534
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:15,500
So the idea that this is and 
positions and attitudes are 

535
00:26:15,500 --> 00:26:17,400
still forming and the Seven 
Kingdoms. 

536
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,400
Yeah, that's very true. 
Good said it would have already 

537
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,300
seemed odd, not just in the 
north but to other houses, when 

538
00:26:24,300 --> 00:26:27,600
Catelyn was betrothed to Brandon
by Rick card, a bit later, why 

539
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,000
do you want like, huh? 
Well, that's interesting. 

540
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,600
Is this dangerous? 
So this is part of why the 

541
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,500
politics was a little more of a 
bubbling cauldron because there 

542
00:26:34,500 --> 00:26:37,800
were some unusual things, having
some alliances that, you know, 

543
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,400
you look back at World War, one 
part of the reason it happened 

544
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,200
is because entangling alliances 
people Well, we pledge to help 

545
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,000
this country if they got 
attacked and they got a tax we 

546
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,600
gotta fight and that country 
pledged to attack us if we. 

547
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,900
Yeah and then they just all 
they're honoring their promises 

548
00:26:50,900 --> 00:26:53,700
and it makes the war gigantic. 
And that is pretty much what 

549
00:26:53,700 --> 00:26:56,800
happened in Robert's Rebellion 
to a certain extent. 

550
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,100
So Rick are had married. 
His cousin Ali are like we said,

551
00:26:59,100 --> 00:27:01,900
first cousin, once removed his 
father had married, a lock, his 

552
00:27:01,900 --> 00:27:04,500
grandfather, had married, a 
black would lie Aras. 

553
00:27:04,500 --> 00:27:07,300
Father mother was Aria Flint the
point being. 

554
00:27:07,300 --> 00:27:10,300
These are all Northern houses - 
the black wood which is still an

555
00:27:10,300 --> 00:27:13,000
old gods worshipping house. 
So the culture ER is the same if

556
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,100
I'm only naming the Lord's. 
Look at these names. 

557
00:27:15,100 --> 00:27:17,700
We got Lara Royce whoo-hoo 
mentioned already. 

558
00:27:17,700 --> 00:27:19,500
She's the one that they both 
descend from. 

559
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,100
But after that, we have Miriam 
manderley, Alice karstark. 

560
00:27:22,100 --> 00:27:25,300
Robin R is, will create Stark 
married, a Nuria Blackwood and 

561
00:27:25,300 --> 00:27:28,000
another star. 
Creakings mother was Julian 

562
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,400
Glover. 
It's grandmother was lice a 

563
00:27:29,408 --> 00:27:33,300
lock, Alaric Stark, married a 
Marmont, even if you expand it 

564
00:27:33,300 --> 00:27:36,600
to Sons and Daughters of main 
branch, it's still almost 

565
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,500
exclusively Northern to Northern
marriages. 

566
00:27:38,500 --> 00:27:42,000
So I list all those not for you.
To remember them just to just 

567
00:27:42,100 --> 00:27:45,500
Oh, the weight of how unusual. 
This was this Behavior was 

568
00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:47,200
married. 
Marriage is between north and 

569
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,300
south and this is a lot of 
tradition that's being broken 

570
00:27:51,300 --> 00:27:53,200
here. 
And we're talking thousands of 

571
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,500
years of this, even after the 
conquest, like you say Shawn 

572
00:27:56,500 --> 00:27:58,500
didn't become normal, which 
maybe it would have become 

573
00:27:58,500 --> 00:28:00,300
normal. 
But it took this long, if it did

574
00:28:00,300 --> 00:28:03,500
become normal, it took this 
long, 250, 26 years for it to 

575
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:08,600
really actually happen. 
Nina says, yeah and Ricard had 

576
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,300
probably had every reason to 
think that this was necessary, 

577
00:28:11,300 --> 00:28:14,700
even though it was such a break 
from tradition, he was the great

578
00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:18,700
grandson of bear on Stark who 
was born, probably not too many 

579
00:28:18,700 --> 00:28:21,000
decades. 
After Dagon, Greyjoy was reading

580
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,600
the northern coast when the 
crown did not help them left 

581
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,500
them to their own devices and it
didn't go. 

582
00:28:27,500 --> 00:28:31,100
Well, it took until the crown 
did finally intervene for the 

583
00:28:31,100 --> 00:28:34,800
problem to stop so that memory 
of the Crown's failure and 

584
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,600
inability to protect it. 
Constituents, which is a primary

585
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,500
duty of your liege. 
Lord protect you from Crepes, 

586
00:28:40,500 --> 00:28:43,100
you submit to their Authority in
exchange for protection. 

587
00:28:43,500 --> 00:28:46,500
Well they don't protect you. 
Then you maybe should you maybe 

588
00:28:46,500 --> 00:28:48,200
be looking for a different 
Arrangement? 

589
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,100
Well yeah, maybe and that's part
of what's going on here over 

590
00:28:51,100 --> 00:28:53,500
those successive Generations is 
the north was thinking a little 

591
00:28:53,500 --> 00:28:55,800
differently about. 
Well they're reluctant to 

592
00:28:55,808 --> 00:28:58,300
protect us because they're busy 
with their own inner squat, 

593
00:28:58,300 --> 00:29:00,600
internet, sign squabbling, which
is what it was about bloodraven 

594
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,000
is cited as being too worried 
about bittersteel in the golden 

595
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,700
company to come, send help, they
don't have dragons. 

596
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,000
Yes. 
I mean yeah, it's just evidence 

597
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,000
of the relationships. 
Breaking down. 

598
00:29:11,300 --> 00:29:13,700
The Dynamics are changing. 
It got kind of like I was saying

599
00:29:13,700 --> 00:29:17,100
earlier that it's not like 
everything was fully fleshed out

600
00:29:17,100 --> 00:29:21,700
after the targaryens took over. 
And then aside from how they 

601
00:29:21,700 --> 00:29:23,700
might have fleshed out dragons 
going away. 

602
00:29:23,700 --> 00:29:29,100
Changes think Dorn kept becoming
part of the, The Fray of things.

603
00:29:29,100 --> 00:29:31,300
That's another variable that was
kind of nude. 

604
00:29:31,300 --> 00:29:33,700
It's going to naturally add some
monkey, wrenches, to Hell. 

605
00:29:33,700 --> 00:29:36,800
Things always had been not going
to be that way anymore. 

606
00:29:36,900 --> 00:29:40,200
Yeah, it's like the door was 
held closed by a rusty chain. 

607
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,800
Shane and it would take very 
little to kick that down, but it

608
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,100
takes someone actually kicking 
it down for to happen like, 

609
00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:48,500
yeah, some actually does it. 
It's still that thread is still 

610
00:29:48,500 --> 00:29:51,100
held in place. 
So, Ned continue with that 

611
00:29:51,100 --> 00:29:52,500
pattern. 
Is part of why we go back a 

612
00:29:52,500 --> 00:29:55,700
little before, Ned upbringing, 
or a little forward in his life,

613
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,400
depending on which aspect of 
this, you're thinking of. 

614
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,100
But he continued. 
With the southern are edges, he 

615
00:30:01,100 --> 00:30:03,100
allowed back in here, maybe just
like, okay, this is how we do 

616
00:30:03,100 --> 00:30:07,300
things now, or maybe, as I said 
early on, it's because some of 

617
00:30:07,300 --> 00:30:10,300
the same things were happening 
that made those concessions. 

618
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,600
Necessary. 
But he was also raised in the 

619
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:17,000
South, unlike his father, which 
naturally attuned, him more to 

620
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,000
what's going on down there and 
to Southern Culture is being 

621
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,400
less distant from it. 
It's not as like foreign to him 

622
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,700
as it would have been even to 
his own father. 

623
00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:27,800
Yeah. 
I just thought of another thing,

624
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,500
by the way, for the Kings Road. 
Sure. 

625
00:30:30,500 --> 00:30:33,700
Yeah, to travel back and forth 
with Windows 7 kingdoms, are 

626
00:30:33,700 --> 00:30:35,700
that makes it a lot more 
difficult to form. 

627
00:30:35,900 --> 00:30:38,700
Alliances much less marriages 
when it's hard to even get there

628
00:30:38,700 --> 00:30:40,900
or know who's are. 
So that's just another. 

629
00:30:40,900 --> 00:30:43,800
Relatively new thing is going to
change the Dynamics of the right

630
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,000
because that probably the Kings 
Road. 

631
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,400
Probably wasn't completed 
northward until about 70. 

632
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,300
A see if not a little later. 
Yeah, it hasn't even been 200 

633
00:30:51,300 --> 00:30:53,700
years since that connection has 
been fully made. 

634
00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:57,300
And when you think 200 years it 
seems like in some ways a long 

635
00:30:57,300 --> 00:30:58,800
time. 
When you compare like, how old 

636
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,900
the Starks are? 
It's like, 10%. 

637
00:31:00,900 --> 00:31:03,900
It's not that long really, like 
busting 10%, but in terms of 

638
00:31:03,900 --> 00:31:05,600
like how long a person lives 
it's long. 

639
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,300
But when you think of, in modern
times, you know, rulers don't 

640
00:31:09,300 --> 00:31:11,800
last that one. 
But in this world where you have

641
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:16,200
like, Gene's and inheritance see
200 years, my only be like 6 L 7

642
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,700
might be like, six chance for 
someone to do something 

643
00:31:18,700 --> 00:31:19,700
different, you know. 
Yeah. 

644
00:31:20,500 --> 00:31:22,900
And of course, but overwhelming 
factor for net and why he gets 

645
00:31:22,900 --> 00:31:26,200
so involved which isn't a factor
for Rick hard is. 

646
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,100
He's Roberts friends. 
If the Lord of Winterfell has no

647
00:31:29,100 --> 00:31:31,500
friends in the South he can 
ignore what's going on there. 

648
00:31:31,500 --> 00:31:35,700
A lot more easily than when it's
his best friend that needs his 

649
00:31:35,700 --> 00:31:38,400
help and his his best friend who
had formerly been betrothed to 

650
00:31:38,408 --> 00:31:41,700
his sister. 
And at this point when Robert's 

651
00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:45,100
Rebellion breaks out the 
perception with a lot of people 

652
00:31:45,100 --> 00:31:46,900
and we don't know what Ned knew 
at that time. 

653
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,500
Regardless of what he thought 
later, he may have been among 

654
00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:52,500
those who bought Sister has been
kidnapped at the time later. 

655
00:31:52,500 --> 00:31:54,200
I think he figured out that 
wasn't the case. 

656
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,400
But at the time he may have 
thought it was like, well, my 

657
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,300
sister's a hostage, my best 
friend is his head's been called

658
00:32:00,300 --> 00:32:02,700
for to just like me, of course, 
I'm in a help, right? 

659
00:32:02,700 --> 00:32:04,600
So that's the entangling 
alliances, not in this case, 

660
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,900
it's not entangling alliances, 
tangling friendship, similar 

661
00:32:07,900 --> 00:32:12,100
result, but a little different 
in terms of how it forms without

662
00:32:12,100 --> 00:32:13,700
a war. 
We don't know who robbed would 

663
00:32:13,700 --> 00:32:14,700
have buried. 
We don't know who Ned would have

664
00:32:14,708 --> 00:32:17,500
arranged Rob's marriage to maybe
another Northern girl. 

665
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:18,900
Maybe that would have just been 
the way to go. 

666
00:32:18,900 --> 00:32:20,700
Just keep return to the old 
Editions. 

667
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,900
But Ned did sign off on Sansa, 
to Joffrey not, because he 

668
00:32:23,900 --> 00:32:27,000
wanted it, but because he was 
sort of talked into it was sort 

669
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,900
of. 
It was also part of the 

670
00:32:28,900 --> 00:32:31,300
presentation, of licenses 
accusation against the 

671
00:32:31,300 --> 00:32:33,800
Lannisters accountable. 
Now, you really have to accept 

672
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,800
the job of handing, you got to 
find out what how the Lannisters

673
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,800
kill Jon, you know. 
And he's like, yeah, you're 

674
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,500
right. 
Which means you got to accept 

675
00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:42,400
this marriage. 
Proposal is kind of an awkward 

676
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,900
thing to add to his like, well, 
we got to investigate this 

677
00:32:44,900 --> 00:32:46,500
murder. 
So my daughter's gonna marry, 

678
00:32:46,500 --> 00:32:52,000
this guy also. 
His daughter marrying that guy, 

679
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,100
you know, aside from the details
of the personalities, they also 

680
00:32:55,100 --> 00:32:57,100
didn't know it's not totally 
crazy. 

681
00:32:57,100 --> 00:32:58,600
It's sort of, like, a positive 
thing. 

682
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,500
It's sort of like, an honors. 
Not some, you know, even if it's

683
00:33:01,500 --> 00:33:04,900
not exactly tradition, it's not 
like he's breaking tradition to 

684
00:33:04,900 --> 00:33:07,900
do some weird crazy things break
your tradition to do some 

685
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,400
honorable forward moving thing. 
You know, there's a lot of built

686
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,900
up, trust among the northern 
Lords and what the Starks do. 

687
00:33:13,900 --> 00:33:17,100
I think, I think they understand
that they let you if you start 

688
00:33:17,100 --> 00:33:18,900
to do something a little 
unusual, you probably have a 

689
00:33:18,900 --> 00:33:21,000
good reason for it. 
It's not necessarily true with 

690
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,100
other leaders because they don't
have that great long-term 

691
00:33:24,100 --> 00:33:28,900
reputation for Success. 
So I want to repeat how normal 

692
00:33:28,900 --> 00:33:31,100
this all seems the beginning, 
all these relationships and 

693
00:33:31,100 --> 00:33:32,900
these arrangements, and it's 
like, well, later you realize 

694
00:33:32,900 --> 00:33:35,900
this is not normal at all. 
Yes ago, just marriages. 

695
00:33:35,900 --> 00:33:37,700
Of course, Noble houses having 
marriages. 

696
00:33:37,700 --> 00:33:40,000
So it's frame, so normal. 
Especially with little things 

697
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,700
that back it up like brand 
wanting to be a knight, that's 

698
00:33:42,700 --> 00:33:44,400
really unusual. 
But we don't, of course, it 

699
00:33:44,408 --> 00:33:46,800
doesn't seem unusual little kid 
in a medieval setting wants to 

700
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,500
be a knight. 
That's so normal, right? 

701
00:33:48,500 --> 00:33:51,400
It but it's not. 
Because he's a lawyer, he's a 

702
00:33:51,408 --> 00:33:54,200
son of this of the north, right?
That's why it's not normal, but 

703
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,100
that doesn't click right away 
and the farther we dig. 

704
00:33:58,100 --> 00:34:00,600
And the more we do episodes, 
like things like this, the 

705
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,000
Starker. 
The difference becomes a. 

706
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,400
Hey. 
And that does like you said, Ned

707
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,100
doesn't do these things to 
change tradition. 

708
00:34:08,100 --> 00:34:10,400
He does them for good reasons, 
like a huge example. 

709
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,400
He built a cept for Catlin in 
Winterfell, apparently that had 

710
00:34:13,408 --> 00:34:15,500
never been done before. 
What a huge break from 

711
00:34:15,500 --> 00:34:16,900
Tradition. 
Now, if he had been worshipping 

712
00:34:16,900 --> 00:34:20,000
upset bed, it would be a problem
but he still works. 

713
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:21,699
The park trees. 
So they're like, yeah, whatever 

714
00:34:21,699 --> 00:34:23,100
big deal. 
You know, that heart, they have 

715
00:34:23,100 --> 00:34:25,500
accepted what white Harbor. 
It's been there forever. 

716
00:34:25,500 --> 00:34:27,300
You know, there's stuff is 
probably few other steps in the 

717
00:34:27,300 --> 00:34:30,199
north. 
It's not it's not offensive just

718
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:35,000
to have them there, you know? 
And it's probably how rameshan 

719
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,699
dad or other leaders thought 
about is probably better for the

720
00:34:37,699 --> 00:34:41,199
sake of Peace in the long term 
to four people become accustomed

721
00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:44,900
to this and we're of it at least
it'll eliminate some prejudices 

722
00:34:44,900 --> 00:34:48,600
or some conflicts if you'll just
get more exposure, it's not like

723
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:53,100
Ned arranged for Sansa to It's a
merry like you know, some 

724
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,600
blacksmith's, son, bastard or 
some skulls Rocky prints or 

725
00:34:57,607 --> 00:35:00,100
something. 
It's the prince of the land. 

726
00:35:00,100 --> 00:35:03,000
Like, she's gonna be the queen 
is not like any even someone who

727
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,200
doesn't like the southerners 
like, oh well, yeah, but she 

728
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:06,800
gets, but we're having Northern 
Queen. 

729
00:35:06,900 --> 00:35:08,900
Yeah, yeah. 
That's got everyone's got it. 

730
00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:10,600
I was pretty much count like 
that, you know? 

731
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,500
And that was like, yeah, I can't
really, I can't really argue 

732
00:35:12,500 --> 00:35:13,800
against that. 
Yeah, damn it. 

733
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,900
I want to argue against that but
it's special because he knows 

734
00:35:15,900 --> 00:35:18,100
his daughter once that to like, 
he'd understand. 

735
00:35:18,100 --> 00:35:20,900
Yeah, that's yeah. 
It's like In his mind, it's a 

736
00:35:20,908 --> 00:35:22,100
win. 
Win win, win win. 

737
00:35:22,900 --> 00:35:26,200
So there probably were some to 
use the repeat the phrase Tywin 

738
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,100
rolling in his grave. 
There probably were some Lords 

739
00:35:28,100 --> 00:35:30,400
of Winterfell and kings of the 
north who rolled in their graves

740
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,700
when there was a sept built in 
the north, but times changed and

741
00:35:34,700 --> 00:35:37,500
the current Lords of the north 
didn't seem to care at least. 

742
00:35:37,500 --> 00:35:41,800
There wasn't any any loud 
complaining that we know of one 

743
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,800
of the reasons, it's important 
to point out that just because 

744
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,400
it's a change, there were other 
opportunities for this. 

745
00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:49,200
Yeah, catlins. 
A rare Southern bride, but rare 

746
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:53,100
not unheard of There have been 
manderlys and Royce's. 

747
00:35:53,500 --> 00:35:55,900
So there's been other Southern 
Brides that have been the lady 

748
00:35:55,900 --> 00:35:57,900
of Winterfell. 
And they didn't have, I mean, 

749
00:35:57,900 --> 00:36:01,000
maybe they got to bring their 
like, some personal statuette to

750
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,300
worship to, but they didn't have
a whole set, right? 

751
00:36:03,500 --> 00:36:06,900
So it's pretty big difference. 
And as early years, let's talk 

752
00:36:06,900 --> 00:36:11,300
about that net 263 to 270, 
that's when he was the ages of 0

753
00:36:11,300 --> 00:36:13,900
to 8. 
So too young yet for betrothal 

754
00:36:13,900 --> 00:36:17,000
Zoar to, otherwise be used for 
the father's plan, but he was on

755
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,300
that track. 
Whatever plans his father had at

756
00:36:19,308 --> 00:36:23,500
that point he would have started
with a standard education for a 

757
00:36:23,508 --> 00:36:25,700
stark. 
Second Son with maybe a few 

758
00:36:25,700 --> 00:36:27,700
tweaks as we'll discuss in his 
case. 

759
00:36:27,700 --> 00:36:29,500
He's only one year younger than 
his older brother. 

760
00:36:29,500 --> 00:36:32,200
The are. 
So this is a case where he's 

761
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,600
probably right there at Brandon 
doing everything it trained 

762
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,600
together. 
I ride horses together. 

763
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,000
Just do all the stuff together 
because their age is so close. 

764
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,100
They're only your part. 
That's a really good way to 

765
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,600
handle things. 
You manage both boys together, 

766
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,000
going to train them separately. 
Well you do eventually but not 

767
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,400
when they're this age. 
So I think a lot about Rob and 

768
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,700
John similar maybe because 
they're almost the same age as 

769
00:36:53,700 --> 00:36:56,900
well with one of them being 
subordinate to the other in 

770
00:36:56,900 --> 00:36:59,900
terms of the pecking order in 
terms of later inheritance and 

771
00:36:59,900 --> 00:37:02,100
things like that. 
Obviously, that difference is a 

772
00:37:02,107 --> 00:37:05,000
bit larger with John because 
he's viewed as a bastard. 

773
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,600
But Still lands him in a similar
position where he's clearly 

774
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:12,200
secondary to his brother. 
I was gonna say, that's another 

775
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:17,200
thing about the dynamic between,
I guess, John and Rob or net and

776
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,800
Brandon is it when you're close 
in age is like that, you're way 

777
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,900
more compared to each other. 
That makes sense. 

778
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,300
Robin brand. 
It's not like if Robin brain go 

779
00:37:26,300 --> 00:37:30,200
out in the yard to practice 
swords that brand feels like, 

780
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,300
huh? 
I should be able to beat him but

781
00:37:32,300 --> 00:37:34,000
he's better. 
Like of course he's like, you 

782
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,900
know, it's not closed. 
Has no one expects their to be, 

783
00:37:36,900 --> 00:37:39,200
but when they are closed, when 
you're within a year of each 

784
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:40,600
other real competition are 
there. 

785
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:41,300
Yeah. 
Yes. 

786
00:37:41,300 --> 00:37:44,300
It's like, yeah, you're not as 
good as your brother, like, you 

787
00:37:44,300 --> 00:37:46,500
feel like you could or should be
when it's that close. 

788
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,400
But if there's a 10-year Gap, 
Nolan has that expect ation. 

789
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,800
So yeah, that maybe makes it 
tougher, you know, for the 

790
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,800
younger brother in that position
boys are taught to compete a lot

791
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,500
like that. 
As part of the upbringing of 

792
00:37:56,500 --> 00:37:59,900
culture for Boyd's, quite often,
as you like, you encourage that 

793
00:37:59,900 --> 00:38:01,900
a lot. 
So much of this is in the first 

794
00:38:01,900 --> 00:38:05,100
chapter brands for chapter. 
What happens when Rob and John? 

795
00:38:05,300 --> 00:38:08,300
Have a little argument about 
whether the man was Brave or 

796
00:38:08,300 --> 00:38:11,000
afraid, where he died well and 
then they race to the bridge. 

797
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,300
That's like competition 
competition. 

798
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,700
Yeah, right. 
And then, they're like, arguing 

799
00:38:15,700 --> 00:38:18,500
over names for the Wolves Lair. 
Yeah, just all this like, little

800
00:38:19,100 --> 00:38:21,500
little bits of competition and 
that it strengthens them. 

801
00:38:21,500 --> 00:38:23,700
At least, that's the idea that's
supposed to prepare them for 

802
00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:26,100
like real battles later and to 
show them who their real friends

803
00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:28,700
are, and they can count on each 
other, things like that. 

804
00:38:28,700 --> 00:38:30,600
There certainly is value to 
competition. 

805
00:38:31,100 --> 00:38:35,100
But you got imagine the effects 
on net or any second son's. 

806
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,500
Psyche in this scenario where 
like, you know, your brother is 

807
00:38:39,500 --> 00:38:40,300
the chosen one. 
Yeah. 

808
00:38:40,308 --> 00:38:42,000
You know what I mean, that 
you're always going to get 

809
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,700
second pick of everything. 
No matter how good you are, no 

810
00:38:44,700 --> 00:38:47,100
matter what even if John could 
beat net or neck, could be 

811
00:38:47,100 --> 00:38:49,500
Brandon in the yard with their 
fake swords, or whatever it 

812
00:38:49,500 --> 00:38:52,100
still, doesn't matter. 
Just as place, it's like what we

813
00:38:52,100 --> 00:38:54,300
see in house the dragon with 
Amon, he becomes the best 

814
00:38:54,300 --> 00:38:56,400
warrior, he's way better than 
his brother and everything 

815
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,100
doesn't matter. 
Doesn't matter even when his 

816
00:38:58,100 --> 00:39:02,500
brothers like, I don't want it, 
it's still does, but no he's the

817
00:39:02,500 --> 00:39:04,600
firstborn that's it. 
The only way you're getting out 

818
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,400
of this, is it? 
Dead or something like that or 

819
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,200
and his kids as well as take 
violence otherwise. 

820
00:39:09,700 --> 00:39:12,300
Otherwise succession just ended 
and anyone out there watching 

821
00:39:12,300 --> 00:39:15,900
succession has got to be like 
drawing parallels to can do 

822
00:39:15,900 --> 00:39:18,600
right now. 
Now, it should be said that. 

823
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,000
It's not at all, remotely 
unusual. 

824
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,300
For the first born to die 
prematurely and the second 

825
00:39:24,300 --> 00:39:27,700
Border in here, that was normal.
Even for this era, we mentioned 

826
00:39:27,700 --> 00:39:29,700
bear on Stark. 
One of the Lord's who died to 

827
00:39:29,700 --> 00:39:32,000
this day. 
Gun greyjoy's ravings that they 

828
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,200
were unable to stop. 
He was the Second Son of his 

829
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,000
father and Brenda and his father
was a fifth son who had 

830
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,100
inherited Winterfell. 
So there's plenty of cases where

831
00:39:40,100 --> 00:39:44,100
that and of course, Ned's 
grandfather, Ed while was not 

832
00:39:44,100 --> 00:39:47,200
the first born either. 
Old man came to Winterfell to 

833
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,100
nurse a boy named Brandon 
probably that's she's not clear 

834
00:39:51,100 --> 00:39:53,800
on her memory and Brandon was 
apparently the older brother 

835
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,600
dead while wait. 
And while that's a name that's 

836
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,700
that's that's grandfather. 
Records father had wild. 

837
00:39:58,700 --> 00:40:00,100
Yeah. 
We that's the only Ed while we 

838
00:40:00,100 --> 00:40:02,100
know of. 
So yeah your he wouldn't have 

839
00:40:02,100 --> 00:40:06,000
heard that one elsewhere. 
If never beat Brandon to 

840
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,400
something or buy a big deal for 
him, like confidence-wise, but 

841
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,300
as you said Sean and wouldn't 
like mean he's gonna now inherit

842
00:40:11,300 --> 00:40:15,200
or something, he would get a 
congratulations for that and you

843
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,200
feel good about it but yeah. 
Now George says, Ned was a 

844
00:40:18,207 --> 00:40:20,800
better Battle. 
Commander Brandon was better at 

845
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:25,800
most martial things horse-riding
sword fighting but maybe Ned was

846
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,000
a little more cerebral possibly.
There's another reason for this 

847
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,400
that we'll discuss later, 
though, but maybe just a general

848
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,800
who's better at math and 
Logistics and planning things 

849
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,200
like that. 
Nina has a nice catch here 

850
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,800
points out, that Aria was better
at math than Sansa and Arya 

851
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,100
looks more like a northerner. 
So that might be like a little 

852
00:40:42,500 --> 00:40:45,700
you know a little point of Pride
or just a little little nod to 

853
00:40:46,300 --> 00:40:48,800
taking more after her father 
then her mother and so we don't 

854
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,600
know if cats good at math but 
Ned may have if Ned was and this

855
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,200
would fit, I was thinking dating
Brandon, it might be that Ned 

856
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,400
got stuck doing it more often it
Brandon got to do the cool fun 

857
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,600
stuff, you know, he got to ride 
the horse and fight with a sword

858
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,400
and it had to take inventory of 
the sword. 

859
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,400
What's up, you know, I kind of 
have been to a patient for all 

860
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,900
that he might just skip the math
class. 

861
00:41:09,900 --> 00:41:12,000
But Ned, Ned has to find any 
age. 

862
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,800
She can to excel. 
So he would work on these things

863
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,200
that branded didn't think we're 
fine. 

864
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,000
Like, I bet if they played so 
I've asked, Ned would have won 

865
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,500
that like random probably them 
with swords 9 times out of 10. 

866
00:41:20,500 --> 00:41:23,000
If no more buts. 
I've asked, Ned had the edge 

867
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,900
there, but it's also safe to 
assume that Brandon was 

868
00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:27,500
protective of his younger 
brother. 

869
00:41:27,700 --> 00:41:31,300
This is a Vibe, all the stark 
seem to have of these multiple 

870
00:41:31,300 --> 00:41:34,000
Generations, if not farther 
back, of course, most noble has 

871
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,000
Have that in general of you, 
protect your family members, 

872
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,600
especially the ones who were 
younger than you not to say. 

873
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,700
Maybe Brandon didn't brush his 
brother around a little bit, he 

874
00:41:41,700 --> 00:41:44,200
probably did but I don't know. 
But I doubt he would tolerate 

875
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,300
anyone else doing that is one of
those things when he's my 

876
00:41:46,300 --> 00:41:48,000
brother. 
You know, I mean just look at 

877
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,500
how he says come out and died or
rhaegar later when he's mad 

878
00:41:51,500 --> 00:41:54,300
about what happened to Liana or 
that he was the one to ask a 

879
00:41:54,300 --> 00:41:57,000
Shara to dance with Ned. 
So the protectiveness is there. 

880
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,800
The helping out is there so is 
the shyness and lyanna? 

881
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,900
Similarly protected, Helen read 
right? 

882
00:42:02,900 --> 00:42:05,800
Yes they're Actly. 
So, there's a lot of this like 

883
00:42:05,900 --> 00:42:09,100
this is how the Starks are they?
Yeah, by pair and Rick card. 

884
00:42:09,100 --> 00:42:12,100
Probably whatever. 
Guesses we make about him later.

885
00:42:12,100 --> 00:42:15,000
It seems safe to assume he 
carried that tradition on. 

886
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,900
It probably, wasn't there, just 
from him. 

887
00:42:16,900 --> 00:42:19,300
It probably had been around a 
long time pack survives, right? 

888
00:42:19,300 --> 00:42:24,800
The, then the lesson Ned gives 
to Aria about when the Snows 

889
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,300
come, you know, the Lone Wolf 
dies the pack survive. 

890
00:42:27,300 --> 00:42:30,700
So yeah, don't encourage Lone 
Wolf treatment or Lone Wolf 

891
00:42:30,700 --> 00:42:33,600
Behavior, amongst Starks, 
especially, not the ones in 

892
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,500
power. 
Yeah, they don't like bullies 

893
00:42:36,500 --> 00:42:37,900
either. 
They don't seem to like bullying

894
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,700
all the standard things that we 
see brand doing grant is seven 

895
00:42:41,700 --> 00:42:44,400
when the Story begins. 
So a lot of what we see his 

896
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,900
education of at the time, even 
when it transitions to education

897
00:42:49,100 --> 00:42:51,800
for someone that can't use, 
their legs is still a lot of the

898
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,700
same stuff and that's really 
important because Ned was 

899
00:42:55,700 --> 00:42:59,100
fostered at age 8. 
So he's at the age almost Brands

900
00:42:59,100 --> 00:43:00,900
almost at the age where he would
have been fostered. 

901
00:43:00,900 --> 00:43:05,300
Presumably, although if you look
at Ned's kids, They worked 

902
00:43:05,300 --> 00:43:07,200
right? 
Like there was no like Sansa was

903
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,300
still at home, Rob was still at 
home, so Ned may have had a 

904
00:43:10,300 --> 00:43:14,200
different idea of fostering than
his forebears because of the 

905
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,100
entanglements. 
Maybe who knows but it's a very 

906
00:43:17,100 --> 00:43:20,100
important little tidbits of 
like, Ned had really held back 

907
00:43:20,100 --> 00:43:22,400
on that to this point. 
Hmm. 

908
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,400
Yeah, I wonder about that I 
hadn't thought of that. 

909
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,600
I'm glad you brought that up my 
mind spinning a little bit on 

910
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,600
and I wonder how affected he 
might have been by Theon coming 

911
00:43:32,700 --> 00:43:35,900
to Winterfell of, maybe he He 
felt more obliged to take care 

912
00:43:35,900 --> 00:43:39,100
of this other kid and he's not 
going to send one of his kids to

913
00:43:39,100 --> 00:43:41,700
be taken care of by someone else
when he's already taken. 

914
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,100
Maybe that's they just have so 
many kids and I don't know, I 

915
00:43:45,107 --> 00:43:46,300
don't know. 
I wish I thought about that more

916
00:43:46,300 --> 00:43:47,300
before this moment, I don't 
know. 

917
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:48,900
I think it's sometimes. 
It depends on the Lord. 

918
00:43:48,900 --> 00:43:51,100
Like some Lords are clearly more
aggressive about it than others.

919
00:43:51,100 --> 00:43:52,100
Some of them have more 
Ambitions. 

920
00:43:52,100 --> 00:43:54,900
Like Ned didn't have Ambitions 
like that, I guess part of it. 

921
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,600
But like, look, it's a again, 
bring a path of the Dragon is an

922
00:43:57,607 --> 00:44:00,700
example. 
The high Towers had all those 

923
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,200
poor children and only one of 
them got fostered elsewhere 

924
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:04,700
right there. 
Ron. 

925
00:44:04,700 --> 00:44:09,200
So it's not so simple. 
They have different needs and 

926
00:44:09,300 --> 00:44:12,600
opportunities time, guilty. 
Undertaker says, bran is being 

927
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,000
fostered in a way by an ancient 
tree, Wizard hahaha? 

928
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:17,500
Yeah, that's true. 
You're right. 

929
00:44:17,500 --> 00:44:21,300
Is is fostering ended up, not 
what anyone may have predicted, 

930
00:44:21,300 --> 00:44:23,100
but it's damn. 
It had nothing to do with that 

931
00:44:23,100 --> 00:44:24,400
decision. 
Yeah, sure. 

932
00:44:24,700 --> 00:44:25,200
Yeah. 
See. 

933
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,000
Funny point, but, but still not 
the direction I wanted to think 

934
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,300
about, like, why Ned didn't do 
it when he gets. 

935
00:44:31,500 --> 00:44:33,000
Like, I wonder if he was 
resentful of it. 

936
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,700
If you missed his dad, if it 
Even if maybe on some level, he 

937
00:44:36,700 --> 00:44:39,500
appreciated the friend he made 
in Robert and appreciated 

938
00:44:39,500 --> 00:44:42,400
guidance. 
You got from from Jon Arryn but 

939
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,600
he still might have missed his 
home and missed his dad. 

940
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,700
I missed his family. 
Yeah, I mean yeah, I would think

941
00:44:46,700 --> 00:44:47,800
so. 
I miss his brother. 

942
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:49,700
Yeah, mister sister. 
Yeah. 

943
00:44:49,700 --> 00:44:51,400
Like a lot of things I need to 
point out. 

944
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,500
Ned would have also had some 
gender specific lessons while at

945
00:44:53,508 --> 00:44:55,100
Winterfell to most is his own 
children. 

946
00:44:55,100 --> 00:44:58,800
Do like the Jana would probably 
have done sewing and dancing and

947
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:03,200
singing and poetry in the harp 
Ned would have doing basic arms 

948
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,100
training, right? 
The Same story of stuff. 

949
00:45:05,100 --> 00:45:07,700
Brand was allowed to have when 
the royal family read like ran 

950
00:45:07,700 --> 00:45:09,600
trained with tommen, right? 
Things like that. 

951
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,000
When he got to the Erie, it 
would have been even more a part

952
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,900
of his upbringing, because as 
you get older, you do more and 

953
00:45:14,900 --> 00:45:16,600
more of that as you're more 
capable, as you have more 

954
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,900
stamina as your body. 
Feels out, things like that. 

955
00:45:19,100 --> 00:45:21,400
Etcetera. 
What about the beginning? 

956
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,700
Another thing, let's look at the
first chapter and that bran is 

957
00:45:24,700 --> 00:45:27,500
seeing an execution and one of 
the debates right away as 

958
00:45:27,500 --> 00:45:29,300
whether he's old enough to see 
that cat was like I don't know 

959
00:45:29,308 --> 00:45:32,100
if he's ready for that and it's 
like 07 is old enough to see an 

960
00:45:32,100 --> 00:45:34,200
execution, you know. 
So which kind of implies that 

961
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,100
Scene 1 by that age or it's 
typical for a stark to have seen

962
00:45:38,100 --> 00:45:41,100
that by then or roughly by then.
So, maybe that's a little 

963
00:45:41,100 --> 00:45:43,500
difference between north and 
south is Ned's catlins coming at

964
00:45:43,500 --> 00:45:46,300
it from, maybe what she 
experienced in the South. 

965
00:45:46,300 --> 00:45:48,600
Maybe she didn't see executions 
young, but she would heal, but 

966
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,100
she was older than Ed Muir. 
So she would have seen when 

967
00:45:51,100 --> 00:45:52,800
edmure went to his first 
execution. 

968
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,700
And it might have been something
like age 9 or 10, or maybe even 

969
00:45:56,700 --> 00:46:00,000
a little older than that. 
So for to her the catlins, like,

970
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,600
this is a little young, but Ned 
is probably reflecting his own 

971
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,200
upbringing. 
When he's like not, this is the 

972
00:46:04,300 --> 00:46:06,700
Appropriate age for it. 
At least where we live. 

973
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,800
No, I don't even younger. 
Rick card. 

974
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,200
Would have been like, start him 
off. 

975
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,800
You know, better get used to the
sight of blood youngsters, you 

976
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,600
know, let's take a monies five 
or something like that and they 

977
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,900
may not have had Liara around 
advocate for waiting bit, or 

978
00:46:20,900 --> 00:46:23,000
maybe she was all for it too. 
She's like, yep. 

979
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,300
Getting started early. 
I'm a stark. 

980
00:46:25,300 --> 00:46:28,200
I would hope that my kid never 
witnessed a nice thin execution,

981
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,600
like, never in her whole life. 
That's what it seemed necessary.

982
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:36,100
Yeah, trying to rush it all, 
Thinking of Ned's kids as well 

983
00:46:36,100 --> 00:46:39,200
in that up again thing of the 
opening scene, direwolves pets, 

984
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,900
like the bed have a dog, right? 
Did he have a pet, a different 

985
00:46:42,900 --> 00:46:44,100
pet? 
You know, he would be another 

986
00:46:44,100 --> 00:46:45,600
thing. 
He would have to give up when he

987
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,000
moved to the Eyrie, maybe you 
would take a new pet while he's 

988
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,000
there because he's lived there 
for another eight or nine years.

989
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,100
So that's time to form a bond 
with an animal again or 

990
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,900
multiples. 
Horse might not quite be the 

991
00:46:55,900 --> 00:46:59,300
same thing as a pet but but it 
fits in a range and he could 

992
00:46:59,300 --> 00:47:01,300
have brought a horse with you. 
A lot of people love their 

993
00:47:01,300 --> 00:47:03,200
horses so it could never know. 
Right. 

994
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,200
And likely I love courses, 
Brandon loves horses, so maybe 

995
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,900
Ned was a little different in 
that regard, but yeah, maybe 

996
00:47:08,900 --> 00:47:11,400
that would have reminded him of 
his family and having a horse 

997
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,400
because somebody that's siblings
were poorest people. 

998
00:47:14,900 --> 00:47:17,100
Speaking of Brandon was 
eventually faucet with the r is,

999
00:47:17,100 --> 00:47:19,300
well, that's why he's a horse 
person because there is Wells, 

1000
00:47:19,300 --> 00:47:21,600
were horse people and he loved 
to ride. 

1001
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,200
So he got a lot of experience 
with that. 

1002
00:47:23,700 --> 00:47:27,600
So there'd be a year roughly. 
If we assume the ages are about 

1003
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,500
the same here. 
Let's assume Brandon was sent to

1004
00:47:29,500 --> 00:47:31,800
the Reds world around age eight.
Just like Ned was sent to the 

1005
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,600
veil around age 80 event. 
An uninteresting little single 

1006
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,500
year where Ned would have been 
missing his brother. 

1007
00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:40,200
Perhaps but also had that alone 
time with his father who had 

1008
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,800
been his father's primary focus 
for about a year. 

1009
00:47:43,100 --> 00:47:44,600
That's pretty interesting, 
right? 

1010
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,800
And maybe his primary focus of 
his mother as well if she was 

1011
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,600
still around. 
Quick, send it. 

1012
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,200
What's the ridge? 
Will schedule? 

1013
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,000
Hoarded assistant are it's a 
horse just horses horse. 

1014
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,100
Had black, I think black on 
bronze or something like that. 

1015
00:47:57,500 --> 00:47:59,400
But by the end of that year, 
Percy sent up to be faster as 

1016
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,300
well. 
So that short one year would 

1017
00:48:01,300 --> 00:48:04,000
have seemed like a long time 
because he's, you know, it's his

1018
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,800
age 7 to 8. 
When you're young time, the 

1019
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,600
relativity of time is a 
different matter than when 

1020
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,100
you're much older but it's 
interesting to note, I don't 

1021
00:48:13,100 --> 00:48:15,100
think it's a failure on 
Georgia's part. 

1022
00:48:15,100 --> 00:48:18,000
I mean, he's only got so much 
room for all this stuff and Ned 

1023
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,600
is busy constantly with things 
happening in the moment. 

1024
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:26,100
So think back on his upbringing 
right but net doesn't have many 

1025
00:48:26,100 --> 00:48:28,000
memories of his father and Of 
his mother. 

1026
00:48:28,300 --> 00:48:32,700
This is in part because he was 
raised away from his family for 

1027
00:48:32,700 --> 00:48:34,300
most of his formative years in 
part. 

1028
00:48:34,300 --> 00:48:37,500
But also, because of what I said
about story have made his 

1029
00:48:37,500 --> 00:48:41,100
without all this extra material.
Now, we want to know all that 

1030
00:48:41,100 --> 00:48:43,500
stuff, but it's there like it's 
we can read a lot of it between 

1031
00:48:43,500 --> 00:48:46,000
the lines. 
So maybe they weren't that close

1032
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:50,100
him in his spot because of this 
short time together and it's not

1033
00:48:50,100 --> 00:48:52,300
like you got to know like a lot 
of times what would happen is. 

1034
00:48:52,300 --> 00:48:55,000
You spend this time fostering, 
then you go back home and you're

1035
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,100
back home for the next a 1020 
years. 

1036
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,600
Ears, and your father lives on 
because brick card wasn't old. 

1037
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,400
As we said, he died prematurely.
So he could have got to know his

1038
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,300
father better at things gone 
differently, but by the time, 

1039
00:49:05,300 --> 00:49:10,300
his fostering was up, was only a
few years before war broke out 

1040
00:49:10,300 --> 00:49:15,000
in his family with all slain. 
But it's possible that his 

1041
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:19,500
father just wasn't a very warm 
not maybe his, he was a distant 

1042
00:49:19,500 --> 00:49:22,500
or cold, man more focused on his
ambition maybe even a little 

1043
00:49:22,500 --> 00:49:24,600
Tywin. 
Ask not sure. 

1044
00:49:24,900 --> 00:49:27,100
One of the earliest lines in 
this series is brand thinking 

1045
00:49:27,100 --> 00:49:31,600
about how his father's face 
changed from his father's face 

1046
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,700
to the Lord of Winterfell. 
With your heat ceases to kind of

1047
00:49:34,700 --> 00:49:39,600
distinct people and later he 
sees that in Rob where Rob is 

1048
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,300
put on the face of Rob, the Lord
versus Rob his brothers, like, 

1049
00:49:42,300 --> 00:49:45,000
oh did you see the way? 
Talk to me, you know, versus 

1050
00:49:45,100 --> 00:49:48,400
I'll hang you, if you take your 
troops home, you know, like 

1051
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,100
totally different demeanors 
there. 

1052
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,500
Rob had to learn that from NED. 
Right, where where is he gonna 

1053
00:49:53,500 --> 00:49:57,400
learn it from? 
We don't know when, when Ned's 

1054
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,500
dad, dad's, mom died. 
Right, right. 

1055
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:03,300
Not at all. 
So he may have become cold after

1056
00:50:03,300 --> 00:50:06,900
her dead again at the timing of 
when she died and when he went 

1057
00:50:06,900 --> 00:50:09,700
to be fostered and everything. 
You could see there might have 

1058
00:50:09,700 --> 00:50:13,100
been a especially imagine I kept
since we don't know the details 

1059
00:50:13,100 --> 00:50:15,400
like but I can imagine something
like arranging. 

1060
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,000
This is Arrangements. 
Have already been made for 

1061
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,400
Brandon to go off. 
Yeah. 

1062
00:50:19,500 --> 00:50:22,600
And in the midst of that the 
mother dies. 

1063
00:50:22,900 --> 00:50:27,500
And so now record It is losing 
his wife, and his son at the 

1064
00:50:27,500 --> 00:50:30,400
same time. 
And so maybe the alone time, Ned

1065
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,500
might have got with his dad, 
might not have been good time, 

1066
00:50:32,500 --> 00:50:34,700
but you know, you might have 
been going through depression or

1067
00:50:34,700 --> 00:50:37,000
do shifter seclusion or whatever
else. 

1068
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,300
You know, we totally right. 
I mean, we don't know when she 

1069
00:50:39,300 --> 00:50:42,500
died at, we do know that me. 
She had to have lived, long 

1070
00:50:42,500 --> 00:50:45,800
enough to Bear Vengeance. 
So there's definitely several 

1071
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,900
more years past Ned's birth. 
So, she couldn't have died like 

1072
00:50:48,900 --> 00:50:53,400
when he was poor but maybe five 
or six that's about the the 

1073
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,900
lower range, but maybe not till 
he Like 11, something like that.

1074
00:50:56,900 --> 00:50:59,400
It's a fairly wide range five or
six years. 

1075
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:04,000
Anyway, also, Ned has just had 
such a full traumatic Life. 

1076
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,800
That, of course, he's not 
thinking about his childhood as 

1077
00:51:05,808 --> 00:51:07,300
much. 
He's also kind of practice did 

1078
00:51:07,300 --> 00:51:09,900
not thinking about past. 
Perhaps you could look at it 

1079
00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:13,000
that way, he doesn't think about
a lot of these things because he

1080
00:51:13,008 --> 00:51:14,500
doesn't need to and he doesn't 
want to. 

1081
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,700
He's a little his mind is a 
little more discipline perhaps 

1082
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,700
never mind. 
George might not have had the 

1083
00:51:19,700 --> 00:51:23,100
best boy flushed out for him to 
think about and or might have 

1084
00:51:23,100 --> 00:51:24,800
been trying to hide certain 
things from the past. 

1085
00:51:24,900 --> 00:51:27,000
Last but certainly was trying to
hide certain things from the 

1086
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,200
past to yeah. 
So when you re I want to repeat 

1087
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:30,800
something, I said the beginning,
but frame. 

1088
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,800
It'll definitely when you reread
A Song of Ice and Fire next 

1089
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,900
time, or especially Just A Game 
of Thrones, when you hear these 

1090
00:51:34,900 --> 00:51:39,600
lines like Ned, giving that fear
speech to Bran or the Wolfpack 

1091
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:44,700
speech to Aria, think about how 
he probably got that speech from

1092
00:51:44,700 --> 00:51:47,300
his father and maybe his father 
from his. 

1093
00:51:47,300 --> 00:51:49,500
And how long has that been 
passed down from Stark? 

1094
00:51:49,500 --> 00:51:53,400
Lord to Stark Lord or start 
bother to Stark sons and maybe 

1095
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,400
some daughters mixed in there? 
People, deaf And daughters mix 

1096
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,300
in there too, because Ned was 
talking to Aria with the wolf 

1097
00:51:57,300 --> 00:52:00,400
pack speech. 
It's Rick card. 

1098
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,800
Who uses that term Wolfblood and
referring to Brand his temper. 

1099
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,000
It's actually Ned says it's his 
father. 

1100
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,100
He used that term, which kind of
implies that record himself. 

1101
00:52:09,100 --> 00:52:13,000
Wasn't like that, right? 
Kind of recognizes that trait 

1102
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,000
that occasionally pops up and 
starts but not within himself. 

1103
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,600
I think that's how to read that.
You agree, Shawnee thinker. 

1104
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,700
At least potentially cause you 
can't be sure. 

1105
00:52:22,700 --> 00:52:25,800
And maybe we shouldn't yeah, 
maybe should read the quote to 

1106
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,800
get the context better but 
because you can imagine it might

1107
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:32,100
be telling Ed like you know me 
and your older brother had the 

1108
00:52:32,100 --> 00:52:34,800
wolf's blood but you don't think
you might be saying it like 

1109
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,900
that, you know, guy. 
Yeah, that's entirely possible 

1110
00:52:36,900 --> 00:52:39,000
like you need to recognize this 
thing. 

1111
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:43,300
It may your kids may have it to,
you know, some of us have it. 

1112
00:52:43,308 --> 00:52:44,300
Some of us. 
Don't your brother. 

1113
00:52:44,300 --> 00:52:45,700
Has it big time. 
You know. 

1114
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,900
He was like yeah I have it but 
not bad as your brother. 

1115
00:52:48,900 --> 00:52:49,900
Yeah. 
I don't. 

1116
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:51,200
Oh yeah. 
I'll come out and died and the 

1117
00:52:51,207 --> 00:52:53,600
Crown Prince When there's a Mad 
King on the throne, I mean, ya 

1118
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:57,500
know, no one's quite that, 
that's that's elite-level acting

1119
00:52:57,500 --> 00:53:01,600
without thinking. 
So yeah, I do really like the 

1120
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,700
theory that maybe Rick guard 
lost some of his warmth because 

1121
00:53:04,700 --> 00:53:08,700
because his wife died, so young,
which again is part of why we 

1122
00:53:08,700 --> 00:53:11,200
think maybe he's a little like 
Tywin, that is what happened 

1123
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,400
with Tywin. 
I would had some warmth before 

1124
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,200
Joanna's death. 
Maybe it wasn't all that much, 

1125
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,600
but whatever he had it vanished 
and there's some evidence that 

1126
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,700
it was Fairly substantial amount
of 14 Joanna's death at least 

1127
00:53:22,700 --> 00:53:27,300
relatively relatively speaking. 
Yeah, I mean that is like losing

1128
00:53:27,300 --> 00:53:30,000
your spouse. 
Is sure that can change your 

1129
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:31,700
personality entirely for the 
rest of your life. 

1130
00:53:31,700 --> 00:53:34,500
That's very believable, 
regardless of who you were 

1131
00:53:34,500 --> 00:53:36,200
before. 
And if you're kind of a cruel 

1132
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,200
callous person, that could still
even that kind of person can be 

1133
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,600
deeply impacted by that kind of,
not level of trauma that level 

1134
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,000
of loss. 
But as we said, it's too big of 

1135
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,600
an assumption to be sure of when
there's a life full of 

1136
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,600
possibilities, but it fits. 
Well, Does fit well. 

1137
00:53:52,500 --> 00:53:55,800
All right, I asked for feedback 
from our Facebook group on 

1138
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,200
things that are seen. 
As Coming of Age events things 

1139
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,200
that we might want to think 
about in reference to this 

1140
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:04,300
episode milestones and a young 
boy's life that would help us 

1141
00:54:04,300 --> 00:54:06,700
expand the conversation a bit 
give Fuller consideration to 

1142
00:54:06,700 --> 00:54:10,300
what else might have happened or
mattered in young Ned's life and

1143
00:54:10,300 --> 00:54:12,500
this will help us for future 
installments on this sub topic. 

1144
00:54:12,500 --> 00:54:15,100
When we look at other 
characters, we also get to make 

1145
00:54:15,100 --> 00:54:18,100
comparisons between real-world 
versions of this and that which 

1146
00:54:18,100 --> 00:54:21,400
gives further illumination 
potentially like his first 

1147
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:25,000
dagger is, Sword being given 
that like 12 own and hold and 

1148
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:26,800
swing, rather, than a wooden 
practice. 

1149
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,300
That's a pretty probably pretty 
big milestone for a westerosi 

1150
00:54:30,300 --> 00:54:34,900
boy, first kiss, first dance, if
sexual experience perhaps as 

1151
00:54:34,900 --> 00:54:36,400
well, but a lot of them maybe 
wouldn't have that. 

1152
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,500
So marriage, so it's not 
necessarily think we can assume 

1153
00:54:39,100 --> 00:54:42,100
but still that would be 
irrelevant, potential inclusion.

1154
00:54:42,900 --> 00:54:44,800
Also a lot of times, they get 
married young. 

1155
00:54:44,900 --> 00:54:46,900
Oh no, I might not be considered
a real man until they're 

1156
00:54:46,900 --> 00:54:48,000
married. 
Also some point. 

1157
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,100
Yeah, you're right or something,
like, you're not a real man to 

1158
00:54:50,100 --> 00:54:52,100
you have a child, you know, or 
kill someone. 

1159
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,500
Kuo these standards are pretty 
yeah, pretty high. 

1160
00:54:55,900 --> 00:54:57,500
Damn. 
So some of these. 

1161
00:54:57,500 --> 00:54:59,500
Yeah, so some of these seem 
really outlandish to our 

1162
00:54:59,500 --> 00:55:02,300
society, but you can hear 
hearing them said about Westeros

1163
00:55:02,300 --> 00:55:05,000
was like yeah that's sounds 
about right? 

1164
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,700
Like you have sand or saying I 
killed my first man to 12 gets 

1165
00:55:07,700 --> 00:55:10,400
in like chapter 7. 
So yeah you have that extent. 

1166
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,200
Express pretty early in the 
story first time. 

1167
00:55:13,300 --> 00:55:16,900
Drinking, beer wine, first time 
having it and for some having 

1168
00:55:16,900 --> 00:55:19,900
too much. 
That's a formative moments 

1169
00:55:19,900 --> 00:55:24,000
probably John ravenscraft South 
Rob and Beyond taking bran out 

1170
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,700
on his new saddle, which bring, 
you know, mix think of your 

1171
00:55:26,700 --> 00:55:29,000
first horse ride. 
The first horseback ride and 

1172
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,800
maybe certain sub Milestones 
along side that. 

1173
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:34,200
Yeah. 
First time riding by yourself, 

1174
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:38,300
if the first time like jumping 
something or some racing horse 

1175
00:55:38,300 --> 00:55:41,400
versus just trotting on it. 
Yeah, I was gonna say the first 

1176
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,400
time, you galloping horse, maybe
that might be, maybe even 

1177
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,800
similar to getting a driver's 
license because it's one thing 

1178
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:50,700
to like, have driven a car in 
the parking lot at seven miles 

1179
00:55:50,700 --> 00:55:52,700
an hour. 
This is the break, Pedal. 

1180
00:55:52,700 --> 00:55:55,000
But it's another thing to, like,
get onto the highway. 

1181
00:55:55,300 --> 00:55:58,400
You know what I means like? 
So I think, you know, you're 

1182
00:55:58,400 --> 00:55:59,800
allowed your first time doing 
that. 

1183
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,000
Yeah, it's probably a big deal. 
Yeah, first time in traffic. 

1184
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,900
Your first time like, yeah, 
yeah. 

1185
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,200
Galloping horse is no joke. 
That's a little different than 

1186
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,500
just having someone help you up 
on a saddle and pull the reins 

1187
00:56:10,500 --> 00:56:13,700
Trot around in a circle but to 
like, take off for the horse, 

1188
00:56:13,700 --> 00:56:17,700
printing is scary and dangerous 
and you've got to have a certain

1189
00:56:17,700 --> 00:56:20,800
amount of experience and 
expertise and bravery or 

1190
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:22,100
whatever, you know, I could 
easily. 

1191
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,800
That is a standard for quote 
unquote manhood, you know, I 

1192
00:56:24,808 --> 00:56:26,100
like that. 
Yeah, it's a good cop. 

1193
00:56:26,100 --> 00:56:28,000
They're totally because you had 
something, you build up, you 

1194
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,400
slowly. 
You can't just hit the ground 

1195
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,200
Galloping. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1196
00:56:33,300 --> 00:56:35,300
Megan Edwards, has a really good
take on here. 

1197
00:56:35,300 --> 00:56:38,400
Her post said and this is coming
from a mother's perspective. 

1198
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,200
She says, first time, navigating
a tough situation on your own 

1199
00:56:41,500 --> 00:56:43,800
whenever that tough situation, 
maybe without help, in other 

1200
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,100
words, but that's not on your 
own part that she's keying in on

1201
00:56:47,100 --> 00:56:51,800
is really important, it could be
handling your beer while riding 

1202
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,000
a horse. 
Fast for the first time. 

1203
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,800
Maybe that's, you know, you're 
at that point you kind of are on

1204
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:57,900
your own, no one else can manage
your fear for you. 

1205
00:56:58,200 --> 00:56:59,900
They might be able to give you 
some words of encouragement, but

1206
00:56:59,900 --> 00:57:03,600
ultimately that's coming from, 
within both the fear and your 

1207
00:57:03,900 --> 00:57:07,600
ability to manage it. 
First time, reading a book, for 

1208
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,400
some writing a letter things 
like that. 

1209
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:13,700
Those would maybe be a little 
more important or momentous in a

1210
00:57:14,500 --> 00:57:17,500
sub literate Society, right? 
But it's still a, pretty, big 

1211
00:57:17,500 --> 00:57:20,500
deal in a literate Society. 
Pretend you like read a complete

1212
00:57:20,500 --> 00:57:22,600
your own book on your own the 
first time? 

1213
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,600
Yeah, that might be a good 
Milestone, but maybe not a 

1214
00:57:25,607 --> 00:57:28,800
milestone for becoming a man. 
I could at least that modern 

1215
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:30,900
times, maybe back then, because 
it might have been more rare and

1216
00:57:30,900 --> 00:57:33,000
special just weren't children's 
books. 

1217
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,100
Yeah, because you know, I think 
like a five-year-old kid might 

1218
00:57:35,100 --> 00:57:36,900
read a book nowadays. 
There's a caution for young 

1219
00:57:36,900 --> 00:57:40,600
girls. 
That's getting a children's 

1220
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:42,100
book. 
No, it's not up to me. 

1221
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,200
First job is an interesting one 
to cry to compare, and that one 

1222
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,400
doesn't really apply to Lourdes 
High Lords. 

1223
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,400
But you could, you could make a 
comparison to like their first 

1224
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:57,400
time, being you page or Squire. 
That's kind of like a job. 

1225
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:58,700
Yeah. 
Yeah, that's what I was 

1226
00:57:58,700 --> 00:58:00,300
thinking. 
Is someone at a lower of a lower

1227
00:58:00,300 --> 00:58:03,000
class, middle class equipment 
would be like an apprenticeship 

1228
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:07,800
in this setting where you're 
pretty much 925 incur, some 

1229
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,600
tedious thing. 
That's hopefully teaching you a 

1230
00:58:09,607 --> 00:58:12,000
skill that will have more value 
later in life. 

1231
00:58:12,300 --> 00:58:15,100
Like as a blacksmith's 
Apprentice to bring up one that 

1232
00:58:15,100 --> 00:58:18,200
we see on page with Gendry. 
That's a good example. 

1233
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,300
I suppose, the equivalent it's 
been said before to a tournament

1234
00:58:21,300 --> 00:58:23,800
is sporting events. 
So your first sporting event. 

1235
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:25,600
Yeah, especially participating 
in one. 

1236
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,100
That would be more of a 
milestone than just seeing one 

1237
00:58:29,100 --> 00:58:31,600
but seeing one is a pretty big 
deal to like Santa seeing that 

1238
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,900
tournament for her. 
She was like, wow, this is she 

1239
00:58:34,900 --> 00:58:38,800
was so like Like blown away at 
everything and just thought it 

1240
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:42,300
was amazing and wanted to be 
perfect and that had a big 

1241
00:58:42,300 --> 00:58:44,500
impact on her. 
Cause she saw things, she didn't

1242
00:58:44,500 --> 00:58:47,100
expect to see was told storage 
was that they wasn't as pretty 

1243
00:58:47,100 --> 00:58:49,800
as she thought it would be, 
there was real blood and people 

1244
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:54,000
yelling at each other and it 
almost got worse and yeah that 

1245
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:55,900
changed her view on tournaments 
Forevers. 

1246
00:58:55,900 --> 00:58:59,200
That's that was the San 
Suffocation that's when she 

1247
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:03,700
became a real Diane. 
Yeah. 

1248
00:59:05,900 --> 00:59:10,900
Tracy M says, in Scotland boys 
have to strip to the waist and 

1249
00:59:10,900 --> 00:59:13,700
Pummel each other with eight 
pound haggis has to become a 

1250
00:59:13,700 --> 00:59:15,300
man. 
Wait, is that the plural for 

1251
00:59:15,300 --> 00:59:18,300
haggis has? 
It's not haggai or yeah. 

1252
00:59:18,300 --> 00:59:20,000
What's a haggis? 
I don't even know what that is. 

1253
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,300
Haggis is a stuffed. 
It's like an intestine stuff 

1254
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,500
like a sausage kind of I think. 
Okay. 

1255
00:59:25,500 --> 00:59:29,600
Sort of eight pounds of it. 
Yeah all boys and Scotland have 

1256
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:35,200
to do I still have to do this 
and Tommy Pappas says the for 

1257
00:59:35,300 --> 00:59:38,800
His children, his sons he has to
right there, they're very young 

1258
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,700
to him, it will be a milestone 
when they complete a task meant 

1259
00:59:42,700 --> 00:59:45,700
to be done with their hands with
their feet instead. 

1260
00:59:45,700 --> 00:59:48,900
And that's when you can really, 
you can, if you can like turn 

1261
00:59:48,900 --> 00:59:52,000
the bathtub on and off with your
feet steady your hands or I 

1262
00:59:52,008 --> 00:59:53,400
don't know. 
You're something more fancy like

1263
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:54,500
Shire. 
Even yeah. 

1264
00:59:54,700 --> 01:00:00,900
Doctor I guess I'm not a man but
I've never shaved with my feet. 

1265
01:00:01,700 --> 01:00:05,500
Damn it. 
I've got one how about the first

1266
01:00:05,500 --> 01:00:07,800
time you witnessed the queen 
having sex with her brother? 

1267
01:00:15,500 --> 01:00:20,100
Wow, Darkness Dame says have 
always thought the lack of a 

1268
01:00:20,107 --> 01:00:21,600
Heart Tree theory was a huge 
part of wide. 

1269
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,700
Net allowed except be built for 
cattle interval. 

1270
01:00:23,900 --> 01:00:26,000
Good point. 
Yeah because he he didn't have 

1271
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,700
his way to worship and less 
maybe he was elsewhere in the 

1272
01:00:29,700 --> 01:00:31,200
veil. 
There may have been times where 

1273
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,600
he was like at the Royce's place
and there would have been a 

1274
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:35,700
Three. 
They're probably, but not at the

1275
01:00:35,700 --> 01:00:38,300
area, which is a big deal. 
Yeah, that's a good call, that's

1276
01:00:38,300 --> 01:00:40,400
really good. 
Yeah, good said during his name 

1277
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,200
and they also say there was also
the guilt over John and Liana 

1278
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:44,500
and the lies he was having to 
tell. 

1279
01:00:44,500 --> 01:00:46,700
But I think his inability to 
honor his own religion in here. 

1280
01:00:46,700 --> 01:00:48,100
He made him consider more than 
one. 

1281
01:00:48,100 --> 01:00:50,100
Yeah, he knew what it was like 
to not be able to worship the 

1282
01:00:50,100 --> 01:00:52,300
way he wanted and felt had done 
in turn. 

1283
01:00:52,300 --> 01:00:55,300
Had that sympathy for Catalan or
at least anticipating that 

1284
01:00:55,300 --> 01:00:57,700
he/she may have. 
None of you wonder if she asked 

1285
01:00:57,700 --> 01:01:00,200
for it or was like where will I 
worship? 

1286
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:01,700
He's like the bells went off in 
his head. 

1287
01:01:01,700 --> 01:01:04,200
He's like, oh, I'll build you 
except we can't No, that's 

1288
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:06,900
unacceptable and I have a place 
to worship. 

1289
01:01:06,900 --> 01:01:11,000
Let me tell ya, hmm, Kirsty, 
Angel ask what exactly is a 

1290
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:14,900
quote Warden of north east south
and west for titles that were 

1291
01:01:14,900 --> 01:01:17,400
created by aegon the Conqueror 
upon taking the throne. 

1292
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:20,100
He wanted to assign 
responsibility for foreign 

1293
01:01:20,100 --> 01:01:25,400
invasions to arbitrary 
distinction of four locations 

1294
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:28,300
throughout and it's called 
Warden because of warden is, you

1295
01:01:28,300 --> 01:01:34,500
know, in is a usually someone 
who is in charge of prison I 

1296
01:01:34,508 --> 01:01:37,300
don't know why that the term 
Warden is used here, but I think

1297
01:01:37,300 --> 01:01:40,900
word, that Heather's Warden is 
being someone like protector at 

1298
01:01:40,900 --> 01:01:42,800
it. 
One, who's responsible for and 

1299
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,300
so often, there's a warden of a 
prison be, could be a warden of 

1300
01:01:45,300 --> 01:01:48,000
other things, too. 
And the hospital one, right? 

1301
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,600
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
And I think the end, it probably

1302
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:55,000
was primarily areas of tent was 
from foreign Invasion but I 

1303
01:01:55,008 --> 01:01:57,400
think a warden would be 
responsible for interior stuff 

1304
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,700
too. 
Like repairing a bridge or a 

1305
01:01:59,700 --> 01:02:02,300
squabble between two Lords under
them, but you know, especially 

1306
01:02:02,300 --> 01:02:05,200
making it north, south east west
You know, you get the the West 

1307
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:08,000
probably trying to defend 
against freaking iron Islanders 

1308
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:11,300
and North is protecting the wall
that the south of the time maybe

1309
01:02:11,300 --> 01:02:14,700
was protecting against Dorn and 
it's so I on some level it's 

1310
01:02:14,700 --> 01:02:16,600
probably just a way to set up 
sort of a hierarchy. 

1311
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:19,100
So the king doesn't have to 
worry about some squabble with 

1312
01:02:19,100 --> 01:02:21,500
some lore. 
Lords or 13 wildlings came 

1313
01:02:21,500 --> 01:02:23,300
across the wall. 
The word in North will take care

1314
01:02:23,300 --> 01:02:24,500
of that. 
You know, don't come to me with 

1315
01:02:24,500 --> 01:02:26,800
that. 
But also I'm sure it was at 

1316
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,700
least, partly a political move 
to make them feel more important

1317
01:02:29,700 --> 01:02:33,100
to make them, you know, creates 
traveling and jockeying for 

1318
01:02:33,100 --> 01:02:34,600
position. 
Kind of like we talked about the

1319
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:36,500
high Garden episode. 
They created all these Noble 

1320
01:02:36,500 --> 01:02:39,300
orders and tournaments and 
things that they would want to 

1321
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:43,200
beat over rather than competing 
with them for lordship. 

1322
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:46,400
And it makes all that just makes
their Authority even stronger. 

1323
01:02:47,100 --> 01:02:50,000
Yeah, Darkness James, another 
comment quote, no doubt. 

1324
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,600
He thinks a bit of beard makes 
him a man thunk had thought the 

1325
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:54,100
same. 
When he first found some clothes

1326
01:02:54,100 --> 01:02:56,500
growing in his upper lip I tried
to shave with my dagger and 

1327
01:02:56,500 --> 01:02:59,400
almost Nick my nose off. 
That's a good point. 

1328
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:03,300
Your first facial hair as a boy 
is something that a lot of 

1329
01:03:04,100 --> 01:03:08,100
People take pride in or hope to 
take pride in, or don't know. 

1330
01:03:08,300 --> 01:03:10,300
But yeah, that is a, that is 
kind of a milestone. 

1331
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:14,200
That's pretty distinctly. 
Masculine guilty. 

1332
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:17,400
Undertaker also says, among the 
Zulu, young men were painted, 

1333
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:19,200
white and sent away with just a 
spear and shield. 

1334
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:21,600
They came back alive after the 
paint where off they were now 

1335
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:22,900
men. 
Yeah, just go jump in a river 

1336
01:03:22,900 --> 01:03:23,500
over. 
Come back. 

1337
01:03:23,500 --> 01:03:25,200
Look, you have like 20 minutes, 
bro. 

1338
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:28,400
I know that. 
That's pretty cool though. 

1339
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,000
I love hearing these other 
examples of what it takes to be 

1340
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,300
a man exertion broad differences
amongst culture. 

1341
01:03:33,300 --> 01:03:37,300
They usually evolved similar 
things, surviving bravery 

1342
01:03:37,700 --> 01:03:41,000
showing competence but its 
competence in the things that 

1343
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:45,200
matter to your culture or your 
tribe, which often are Marshal 

1344
01:03:45,700 --> 01:03:49,500
in origin or related to things 
like that like hunting which is 

1345
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:53,200
a marshal Pursuit but also one 
that you need to live at least 

1346
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:58,400
some cultures most cultures. 
Also a comment from catto Vivas 

1347
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,300
from a couple weeks ago, in 
reference to share a sea star. 

1348
01:04:01,900 --> 01:04:04,300
This could have a little bit of 
relevance to say, Liana and 

1349
01:04:04,300 --> 01:04:06,400
maybe even Liara Stark. 
We don't know how she died, but 

1350
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:11,000
it's possible means childbed. 
Now she says, we were wondering,

1351
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:16,700
whether she are his mother could
have named her even after apart 

1352
01:04:16,700 --> 01:04:19,400
from having chosen out of name 
before pregnancy. 

1353
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:20,800
Which is, of course, always a 
possibility. 

1354
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:24,700
But she says as an obstetrician.
So we should absolutely 

1355
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:26,800
Solutely. 
Listen, and take this opinion 

1356
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,100
very strongly. 
She says, most maternal deaths 

1357
01:04:29,100 --> 01:04:32,700
in childhood that occur after 
giving birth, not during the 

1358
01:04:32,700 --> 01:04:34,400
most common, cause being severe 
bleeding. 

1359
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:37,200
After the expulsion of the 
placenta is can happen even 

1360
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:40,100
hours after the birth of the 
baby and child bed, fever can 

1361
01:04:40,100 --> 01:04:43,800
start several days later. 
Not that always does, but it can

1362
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:46,200
start selling his later. 
So, yeah, there's a pretty wide 

1363
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:50,200
window or dying from childbirth.
It doesn't have to happen 

1364
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:53,500
immediately ordering. 
So, absolutely, a name can be 

1365
01:04:53,500 --> 01:04:56,100
picked out in that window. 
So, which apparently can be days

1366
01:04:56,100 --> 01:04:59,300
long for any of lease could have
like the name out, even if it 

1367
01:04:59,308 --> 01:05:02,900
was only a couple hours, as long
as she was conscious Nina points

1368
01:05:02,900 --> 01:05:06,200
out, an example from history, 
that is one relevant to us. 

1369
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:08,300
Because we talked about this 
time period, lot Henry, the 8th,

1370
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:12,100
his wife Jane Seymour, who is 
his third wife died, 12 days, 

1371
01:05:12,100 --> 01:05:16,100
after giving birth to Edward 
postpartum infection and or 

1372
01:05:16,100 --> 01:05:18,000
pulmonary embolism. 
Yeah. 

1373
01:05:19,300 --> 01:05:21,900
All right, let's talk about 
Ned's time in the veil. 

1374
01:05:21,900 --> 01:05:24,000
This was more of his ears were 
in some ways. 

1375
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,200
More formative, maybe not 
emotionally. 

1376
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:28,800
Maybe those earlier years had 
more to do with his emotional 

1377
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:31,800
upbringing, but in terms of 
things, he learned how to do and

1378
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:34,500
things that were memorable to 
him later in life distinctly. 

1379
01:05:34,900 --> 01:05:38,300
Well of course those are your 
years or more there's less fog 

1380
01:05:38,300 --> 01:05:40,700
around your later years because 
they're less distant. 

1381
01:05:40,700 --> 01:05:44,400
They're more memorable etcetera.
Barbara Dustin says her father 

1382
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:46,700
Roderick was R is well. 
Wanted her to marry either 

1383
01:05:46,700 --> 01:05:49,700
Brandon her Ned Again, as we 
said earlier, there may have 

1384
01:05:49,700 --> 01:05:53,200
been circumstances that that 
could have happened, but 

1385
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:56,600
problem, Lord regard was 
probably dead set on Southern 

1386
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:59,000
marriages. 
That's why I said this 

1387
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,000
circumstance would have to be a 
lot different from not to think 

1388
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,000
that way I guess. 
I mean part of the reason to 

1389
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:07,500
send that to the South was to 
prepare him for a southern 

1390
01:06:07,500 --> 01:06:12,000
marriage and also to in addition
to showing up that alliance with

1391
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:16,700
Jon Arryn and the Tully's 
etcetera lady Dustin claims, it 

1392
01:06:16,707 --> 01:06:20,800
was Rickards Meister Wally's who
suggested both the cat Brandon 

1393
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:25,500
and Robert Lana marriages, which
is I don't know about that 

1394
01:06:25,500 --> 01:06:27,500
Barbara's. 
Got a real prejudice against 

1395
01:06:27,500 --> 01:06:33,700
maesters and it doesn't Balaji 
care doesn't really work Ned all

1396
01:06:33,700 --> 01:06:35,200
the logistics. 
Maybe don't really work. 

1397
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:36,400
Logic Logistics. 
Yeah. 

1398
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:43,000
Similar he because Ned comes 
back from the veil carrying that

1399
01:06:43,700 --> 01:06:48,100
marriage offer to for Liana or 
his father to consider Robert 

1400
01:06:48,100 --> 01:06:50,000
Juliana. 
It doesn't sound like the idea 

1401
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:51,300
came from mr. 
Wallace. 

1402
01:06:51,300 --> 01:06:55,800
If Ned comes home with At offer 
from the veil right? 

1403
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:58,200
While hanging out with Robert 
all the time that sounds like 

1404
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:01,600
Mia, maybe they were they sent 
some birds back and forth and 

1405
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:02,600
then they decide to do it 
formally. 

1406
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:05,500
But why would Ned need to bring?
I don't understand why they 

1407
01:07:05,500 --> 01:07:09,100
could just send that message. 
Yeah, so does it sound like a 

1408
01:07:09,100 --> 01:07:11,200
Wallace? 
Nina also says. 

1409
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:14,100
Yeah, anything Barbary. 
Dustin says, should be taken 

1410
01:07:14,100 --> 01:07:16,600
with a grain of salt. 
She's got specific Grievances 

1411
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:19,000
and she's trying to sell a 
narrative, but beyond that she 

1412
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:23,700
hopes filters back to Roots 
because she wants, Ian to tell 

1413
01:07:23,700 --> 01:07:26,600
Ruth, certain things and to 
roost to believe certain things 

1414
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:29,200
and to be sure of certain things
about her loyalty. 

1415
01:07:29,500 --> 01:07:31,500
Yeah, so, yeah. 
So she's got a lot of reasons to

1416
01:07:31,500 --> 01:07:34,300
lie, and she's better. 
And she's been better for a long

1417
01:07:34,300 --> 01:07:38,700
time, which isn't the best thing
for managing your biases and 

1418
01:07:38,700 --> 01:07:40,200
said, kind of centering 
yourself. 

1419
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:46,200
I mean what she says, I could 
have married, you know, Brandon 

1420
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:48,800
or Ned but Catelyn. 
Got that one too. 

1421
01:07:48,900 --> 01:07:51,700
She's blaming her for like, 
that's that, that one's fault. 

1422
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:56,400
Phrases like that. 
Remind us of her extreme bias 

1423
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:58,400
here, but she might be, it's 
possible. 

1424
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:00,400
She's right. 
But how would she have known? 

1425
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:02,300
It was mr. 
Wallace's idea, she was like a 

1426
01:08:02,308 --> 01:08:04,600
teenager at the time. 
Like where is her information? 

1427
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:07,300
Even coming from on this. 
Like this is 15 year-old 

1428
01:08:07,300 --> 01:08:08,900
Barbara. 
Doesn't have a spy inside 

1429
01:08:08,900 --> 01:08:10,600
Winterfell. 
I don't think so. 

1430
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:16,000
She made genuine believe it. 
It might not purely be a bias or

1431
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:17,899
a lie but it still might not be 
true. 

1432
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,800
She's so might have been fed 
false information or you know 

1433
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:24,600
concluded it in her mind and 
Extends to her, especially with 

1434
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:28,899
her biases. 
But yeah, yeah, it's dubious so 

1435
01:08:28,899 --> 01:08:31,200
dead. 
Eight years old, even though it 

1436
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:33,300
sounds really young. 
It's fairly normal if you're 

1437
01:08:33,300 --> 01:08:35,200
going to be fostered. 
That's very, that's a normal 

1438
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:37,200
time for it to start. 
It's how it's just really 

1439
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:40,300
difficult to think about that. 
It's like, when I was eight, I 

1440
01:08:40,300 --> 01:08:42,600
got sent away to summer camp 
which was a huge deal that was 

1441
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:44,399
three months. 
You know, like that's a wild way

1442
01:08:44,399 --> 01:08:47,300
from my house for three months. 
Huge prior thinking back on it. 

1443
01:08:47,308 --> 01:08:50,800
My mom really needed that break 
but at the time I had been that 

1444
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:53,700
stuff didn't occur to me but 
this is Totally different 

1445
01:08:53,700 --> 01:08:55,300
scenario. 
Like that's the closest I can 

1446
01:08:55,300 --> 01:08:56,700
get to it and it's not that 
close. 

1447
01:08:57,399 --> 01:09:00,899
We're talking 28 years not three
months. 

1448
01:09:00,899 --> 01:09:04,899
I mean this is your entire 
childhood education basically - 

1449
01:09:04,899 --> 01:09:09,100
a few years it's also just a 
little side note. 

1450
01:09:09,100 --> 01:09:12,600
A lot of times when I was 
envisioning Brandon and Ned 

1451
01:09:12,899 --> 01:09:17,100
competing, his brothers, I was 
imagining it kind of like Rob 

1452
01:09:17,100 --> 01:09:20,000
and John. 
I was imagining like teenage 

1453
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,700
boys but it would have been six 
or seven. 

1454
01:09:22,700 --> 01:09:25,399
I guess I suppose it. 
Ned wasn't just permanently 

1455
01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:27,100
gone. 
They probably came back like, 

1456
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:29,200
for the summer or something. 
Well right there. 

1457
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:31,000
Probably so each other not till 
he was 16. 

1458
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:33,000
That's what they're says. 
Like, once he turned 16, he 

1459
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:35,600
started to go back and forth 
which is why also really so he 

1460
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:38,399
was just gone the whole time. 
Maybe an exception or two but it

1461
01:09:38,399 --> 01:09:40,300
wasn't. 
They weren't regular visits back

1462
01:09:40,300 --> 01:09:43,200
home apparently, which is a 
little surprising, but 

1463
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:44,500
apparently, that's just how they
do it. 

1464
01:09:44,500 --> 01:09:48,399
Like, you know, Nina gives a 
couple of similar outstanding 

1465
01:09:48,399 --> 01:09:50,000
example. 
She says Harmon, the second 

1466
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:51,800
whore, who was fostered with the
king of the rock. 

1467
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:53,899
That's, you know what? 
Ironborn fostering with king of 

1468
01:09:53,899 --> 01:09:56,300
the rock or unusual role in the 
first? 

1469
01:09:56,300 --> 01:09:58,500
Aaron who fostered with the king
of the riverlands? 

1470
01:09:58,900 --> 01:10:01,200
Well, less than usual. 
Still unusual. 

1471
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:02,400
Cause he's our separate Kingdom 
time. 

1472
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:06,200
These aren't houses under the 
Iron Throne that are working 

1473
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:08,400
together. 
These are Separate Realms that 

1474
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,500
time. 
He says, in both cases these 

1475
01:10:10,500 --> 01:10:13,500
fostering specifically encourage
the men, fostered to align 

1476
01:10:13,500 --> 01:10:16,600
themselves politically socially 
and or culturally with the 

1477
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:18,000
places. 
They were fostered. 

1478
01:10:18,100 --> 01:10:20,500
Armand by continuing his 
father's promotion of pro? 

1479
01:10:20,500 --> 01:10:25,500
Mainland reforms, like Armand 
was like, the whore family was 

1480
01:10:25,500 --> 01:10:27,900
more about Mainland domination 
than about being traditional 

1481
01:10:27,900 --> 01:10:29,200
iron board member. 
They're the ones who vote 

1482
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:33,700
harrenhal and all that 
eventually and that they were 

1483
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,200
different for ironborn. 
They were more Progressive. 

1484
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:39,000
Prime born, you can say And 
Roland, by taking inspiration 

1485
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:43,000
from the grand ancestral, 
castles cross Westeros, by 

1486
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,400
taking the seat for the Aaron. 
So in this case, we're talking 

1487
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:48,000
really long ago, this is the 
same role in people to the area 

1488
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:51,800
after looking at highgarden and 
the fashion Rock and going. 

1489
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:56,800
What are we scrubs? 
Yeah, so Lord Rickard had 

1490
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:59,400
arrangements for marriage to 
riverrun of fostering in the 

1491
01:10:59,407 --> 01:11:01,500
veil and eventually marriage, 
the storms in, those were his 

1492
01:11:01,500 --> 01:11:04,600
three big plays. 
I maybe he had plans for benjin 

1493
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:06,700
to this because benjin 
eventually joins the Nights 

1494
01:11:06,700 --> 01:11:08,000
Watch. 
It doesn't mean that was what 

1495
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:10,400
his original plan for him. 
Was that sounds like something 

1496
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:14,600
that developed later because of 
all the other stuff, the war and

1497
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:18,000
all the deaths. 
But I would strongly suspect 

1498
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,800
that Rick Carter would have 
married benjen to another 

1499
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:24,700
southern family. 
Had things gone differently, and

1500
01:11:24,700 --> 01:11:27,600
it's safe to say these 
Arrangements were not sudden 

1501
01:11:27,700 --> 01:11:31,900
they were made years in advance 
for at least a year a year in 

1502
01:11:31,900 --> 01:11:34,500
advance. 
The planning may have started 

1503
01:11:34,500 --> 01:11:37,500
even before that without 
choosing specific time, People 

1504
01:11:37,500 --> 01:11:39,400
like, well, we can maybe choose 
one of these three houses. 

1505
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:45,000
One of these four houses similar
for Robert resume And we wonder 

1506
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:48,700
if they were specifically at 
like today arrange this 

1507
01:11:48,700 --> 01:11:52,000
specifically having a stark and 
Baratheon being fostered at the 

1508
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:55,200
veil was that intentional that 
specific Arrangement or just 

1509
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:56,900
kind of worked out that the guy 
I'm gonna send my kid to the 

1510
01:11:56,900 --> 01:12:00,500
veil and oh so is Robert are at 
Robert baratheon's going to 

1511
01:12:00,500 --> 01:12:01,800
Foster their to? 
Okay. 

1512
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:04,000
Cool. 
Or did they plan that 

1513
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:06,600
specifically like we're going to
have these to be at the same 

1514
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:07,700
place? 
The same time. 

1515
01:12:08,500 --> 01:12:11,700
Consider in setting up this 
subtopic discussion. 

1516
01:12:11,700 --> 01:12:15,300
Here that the Reason brand went 
to Kingsley or was going to go 

1517
01:12:15,300 --> 01:12:19,600
to King's Landing for his fall 
was because Ned perceived ill 

1518
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:23,900
will between Rob and Joffrey. 
It was like bran will help 

1519
01:12:23,900 --> 01:12:26,700
bridge the gap between those two
because of his personality. 

1520
01:12:27,100 --> 01:12:30,800
So yeah, there may have been 
thinking it kind of like how 

1521
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:33,000
families think about arranged 
marriages, it consider the 

1522
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:35,200
personalities of the people 
they're going to have marriage 

1523
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:38,900
sometimes, they don't in cases 
like this, but sometimes they do

1524
01:12:38,900 --> 01:12:40,600
and this may have been one of 
those time for the lake trying 

1525
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:43,700
to place the right boys together
that they think would have the 

1526
01:12:43,700 --> 01:12:45,900
right results. 
It would be formed friendships 

1527
01:12:45,900 --> 01:12:48,900
or look out for each other. 
It's entirely possible. 

1528
01:12:50,300 --> 01:12:52,800
I wanted a little bit about that
to why part of it. 

1529
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:57,500
I imagine was it, John Aaron 
didn't have a son of his own or 

1530
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:01,100
any kids, even right? 
At that point he his brother's 

1531
01:13:01,100 --> 01:13:06,600
son was his are that point? 
Yeah, so maybe it's convenient I

1532
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:09,700
guess for him to take on Words, 
you know. 

1533
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:13,000
But yeah. 
I don't know how much he wanted 

1534
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:15,800
that or that was coordinated. 
It was it Aaron pushing to get 

1535
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:19,200
these boys, may have been to be 
or like, why didn't they say 

1536
01:13:19,300 --> 01:13:24,100
Listen, Ned to storms in to be 
fostered with raw or widened 

1537
01:13:24,100 --> 01:13:26,700
robber. 
Go all the way to Winterfell. 

1538
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:29,600
You know, I guess it isn't Fun. 
You think social location the 

1539
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:32,600
one that kind of yeah, like the 
better between point but like 

1540
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:35,500
the idea that maybe the area is 
like a little closer to home. 

1541
01:13:35,500 --> 01:13:37,300
What doesn't matter if you 
didn't go home for eight years, 

1542
01:13:37,300 --> 01:13:39,100
anyone like it? 
I didn't seem to be a factor. 

1543
01:13:39,100 --> 01:13:41,400
So well now I guess about of 
terms of the Kingdom's being 

1544
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,500
next to each other, right? 
That part perhaps matters in 

1545
01:13:44,500 --> 01:13:47,200
terms of the future. 
Yeah their potential and it may 

1546
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:50,700
be that Alliance is more 
important to Foster I suppose in

1547
01:13:50,900 --> 01:13:53,600
the areas connected to both of 
them and there is a history of 

1548
01:13:53,700 --> 01:13:56,000
yeah not a recent history but 
there was a long history of the 

1549
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:57,500
veil and the north fighting 
over. 

1550
01:13:57,500 --> 01:14:01,500
They fought that they worthless 
War over the sisters not that 

1551
01:14:01,500 --> 01:14:04,200
they had had any sort of recent 
flare-up of a story that we know

1552
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:07,200
about but you know, you know 
don't take chances, you know the

1553
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:10,400
friendship between the veil and 
the north is a good for 

1554
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:12,000
everyone. 
You know pretty much anything 

1555
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,700
that we know has happened in the
past is less likely to happen in

1556
01:14:14,708 --> 01:14:16,700
the future. 
If we take this action, let's 

1557
01:14:16,700 --> 01:14:19,200
say reason it didn't happen in 
the past as part because of 

1558
01:14:19,300 --> 01:14:21,000
Seems like this. 
Let's continue to do that. 

1559
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:23,100
Yeah, I totally agree except 
that. 

1560
01:14:23,100 --> 01:14:25,900
It wasn't done in this way 
because we don't have a lot of 

1561
01:14:25,900 --> 01:14:28,500
Northerners, bajoran South. 
So this was maybe a different 

1562
01:14:28,500 --> 01:14:30,400
way to do it. 
Maybe they didn't realize the 

1563
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:33,100
potential downsides of it which 
was these entangling 

1564
01:14:33,100 --> 01:14:35,800
friendships. 
Although and I think we think 

1565
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:38,500
the friendships kind of worked 
out because we didn't mean we 

1566
01:14:38,500 --> 01:14:41,400
didn't want Aires to win. 
Robert's Rebellion, did we? 

1567
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:43,000
I don't know. 
It's a little tricky when you 

1568
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,500
really break it down. 
Like that need a totally agrees 

1569
01:14:45,500 --> 01:14:48,300
that this was very likely, a 
range specifically, certain 

1570
01:14:48,300 --> 01:14:50,900
personalities, put trick, 
Places, certain members of 

1571
01:14:50,900 --> 01:14:52,900
certain houses, she says, Jon 
Arryn had the mature 

1572
01:14:52,900 --> 01:14:55,500
statesmanship, but no children 
to use for marital Alliance of 

1573
01:14:55,500 --> 01:14:57,800
its own ostrich. 
Ali had to eligible daughters, 

1574
01:14:57,800 --> 01:14:59,900
but his son was too young yet to
educate. 

1575
01:14:59,900 --> 01:15:02,600
For leadership is Brandon Robert
and to a lesser extent, Ned 

1576
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:04,500
could be. 
And while Robert was perfectly 

1577
01:15:04,500 --> 01:15:06,000
poised for that sort of 
Education. 

1578
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:09,000
His father might have seemed to 
naturally Pro Targaryen to be 

1579
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:11,300
useful. 
As an immediate Ally consider 

1580
01:15:11,300 --> 01:15:14,700
that the Brazilians are 
Targaryen descendants and not 

1581
01:15:14,700 --> 01:15:18,000
just from the ancient past. 
Remember, Robert and Stannis and

1582
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:22,400
Renly, descend from rhaella, 
Targaryen eggs, daughter, first,

1583
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:24,500
sister, rather. 
So that's not that many 

1584
01:15:24,500 --> 01:15:26,600
generations backwards to 
generation three generations 

1585
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:29,200
back. 
So you can see why they'd be 

1586
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:32,100
maybe like, well, we want them 
on our side because we don't 

1587
01:15:32,100 --> 01:15:35,900
want them the Targaryen side, 
but you can't just assume that 

1588
01:15:35,900 --> 01:15:39,100
they will side with the old 
guard because that's where they 

1589
01:15:39,100 --> 01:15:40,300
come from. 
So, you want to move doing a 

1590
01:15:40,308 --> 01:15:42,300
lock that up. 
See the, you can see the logic 

1591
01:15:42,300 --> 01:15:45,400
behind making sure the 
baratheon's are included, but it

1592
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:47,700
made you don't want to give them
the hostages to answer your 

1593
01:15:47,700 --> 01:15:49,800
earlier. 
Question, may be in this era, 

1594
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:52,600
remember Stefan breath, and went
looking for a wife for rhaegar. 

1595
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:56,000
He went searching this admin 
died on the way home. 

1596
01:15:56,900 --> 01:15:57,900
That was always a little 
suspicious. 

1597
01:15:57,900 --> 01:16:01,000
They couldn't find anyone at 
all, but which might key into 

1598
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:04,400
some of them might be part of 
this whole arraigning and 

1599
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:07,200
conspiracy stuff but not part of
this episode. 

1600
01:16:07,500 --> 01:16:11,400
It's still interesting thing 
about By the way, there were 

1601
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:15,300
phrase that Walter wanted some 
of his children or grandchildren

1602
01:16:15,300 --> 01:16:18,200
to be included in this thus 
fostering of Robert Ned and they

1603
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:22,300
were like, no can't sit with us.
You can't sit with us which 

1604
01:16:22,300 --> 01:16:25,400
further fuels Walters like 
they're always looking down on, 

1605
01:16:25,500 --> 01:16:28,400
you know, some of his revenge 
layer. 

1606
01:16:28,900 --> 01:16:32,900
One of this is one of his many 
grievances Annette. 

1607
01:16:32,900 --> 01:16:35,800
This is pretty interesting, Ned 
goes from training and growing 

1608
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:38,000
up with his brother Brandon, 
who's bigger, and stronger than 

1609
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:42,900
him and only one year older. 
To Growing Up and trading with 

1610
01:16:43,100 --> 01:16:48,500
Robert who's also even bigger 
and bigger stronger and also 

1611
01:16:48,500 --> 01:16:51,500
exactly one year older. 
So it's like the same like a 

1612
01:16:51,500 --> 01:16:54,800
swap in of a foster brother for 
his real brother who's the same 

1613
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:58,800
age and also just like bigger 
and stronger, even if he was 

1614
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:01,000
even, if they were the same age,
Robert would be a lot bigger 

1615
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:02,300
than dead. 
Yeah. 

1616
01:17:02,900 --> 01:17:05,000
And Jon Arryn becomes like a 
second father to both of them. 

1617
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:08,800
This is at this time. 
They both have their real father

1618
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:14,200
still alive, but Given a few 
more years, pass 8, I guess both

1619
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:17,800
of their fathers will be dead. 
Both Rick hard and Stefan will 

1620
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:19,500
die. 
Well prematurely not from 

1621
01:17:19,500 --> 01:17:23,400
natural causes. 
And that presumably is 

1622
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:24,800
something. 
They both Bond over during this 

1623
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:28,300
point because they would be 
together when word of that 

1624
01:17:28,300 --> 01:17:30,200
happened. 
Well, Robert wouldn't Robert saw

1625
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:32,200
his parents die, so he would 
come back from storms and and 

1626
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:36,700
never agreed with him. 
But when Ned's parents were 

1627
01:17:36,700 --> 01:17:39,200
killed or Ned's, father was 
killed in brother, they got word

1628
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:40,700
of that. 
Avail. 

1629
01:17:41,100 --> 01:17:43,600
And yeah that would have been 
quite a thing will come back to 

1630
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:48,000
that in a minute. 
This is a question we got well. 

1631
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:49,900
Setting this episode up wound, 
that's duties. 

1632
01:17:49,900 --> 01:17:51,800
Have been in the vale like we 
know he would have been learning

1633
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:53,200
things. 
What about like his 

1634
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:56,000
responsibilities? 
This is where are you? 

1635
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,500
We talked about the difference 
between a squire, as a title, 

1636
01:17:58,500 --> 01:18:01,700
and a squire as a set of Duties,
because you can be a squire 

1637
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:03,500
without having the title of 
Squire. 

1638
01:18:03,500 --> 01:18:05,900
Squire can be a verb and also be
a title. 

1639
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:09,100
So Ned was a squire and the 
sense that he did the duties of 

1640
01:18:09,100 --> 01:18:11,300
Squire, but he wasn't a squire 
in the sense that he was on 

1641
01:18:11,300 --> 01:18:15,900
track tonight, Hood, he could 
have been Jorah got knighted, so

1642
01:18:15,900 --> 01:18:18,900
it's entirely early possible 
that they asked him. 

1643
01:18:18,900 --> 01:18:20,600
Like, do you want to be a 
knight? 

1644
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:23,000
Should we is that how it when 
you wanted to go and Ned 

1645
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:24,700
decline? 
Because he probably got that 

1646
01:18:24,700 --> 01:18:26,100
offer? 
They're probably like, no, Ned. 

1647
01:18:26,100 --> 01:18:27,500
You're not worthy of being a 
knight. 

1648
01:18:27,500 --> 01:18:29,000
Yeah. 
Right please, of course, he was 

1649
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:29,800
worth it. 
Being a knight. 

1650
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:31,200
Isn't that Stark? 
We're talking about? 

1651
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:33,500
Jon Arryn raised him. 
Of course, he's worthy. 

1652
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:36,200
So he probably the offer 
probably came in probably the 

1653
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:39,300
client, or maybe his father was 
like, nah, but I bet it was his 

1654
01:18:39,300 --> 01:18:40,300
call. 
I bet it was his personal 

1655
01:18:40,300 --> 01:18:43,400
qualities like no, no thanks. 
I want to be a northern, which 

1656
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:45,200
is pretty. 
So my dad made that personal 

1657
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:48,100
call because his dad poo Rudy. 
He might be like, probably going

1658
01:18:48,100 --> 01:18:50,200
to try to make you a knight, 
don't fall for it, you know. 

1659
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:52,300
Yeah. 
So there's probably some bias, 

1660
01:18:52,300 --> 01:18:54,400
remember where you came from 
Saint, you know, like that kind 

1661
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:56,500
of topic like yeah, you're going
to the South, you're 

1662
01:18:56,500 --> 01:18:58,600
representing us here. 
So don't let them change. 

1663
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:01,500
You like like good nicer version
of bail on feels like all those 

1664
01:19:01,500 --> 01:19:04,400
Stars got their claws in you and
you're no longer a squid, you're

1665
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:07,200
no longer a crack in your some 
wolf now you didn't. 

1666
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:08,800
Did you pay the iron price for 
that necklace? 

1667
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:10,500
You know, things like that. 
Like oh you come on you're a 

1668
01:19:10,500 --> 01:19:13,400
night. 
Huh Ned you know look at you all

1669
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:15,700
fancy Southerner. 
Yeah I think there is something 

1670
01:19:15,700 --> 01:19:16,900
to that. 
Yeah. 

1671
01:19:16,900 --> 01:19:20,600
But it but again, he would have 
the same job like saddling 

1672
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:23,100
horses, sharpening swords, all 
that stuff. 

1673
01:19:23,100 --> 01:19:26,900
It's the same job even if he 
doesn't become Rands now tonight

1674
01:19:26,900 --> 01:19:29,700
but she's a but she's a night. 
Yeah you know she's what a night

1675
01:19:29,700 --> 01:19:31,700
is supposed to be. 
Net was probably what a night is

1676
01:19:31,700 --> 01:19:34,700
supposed to be even if he didn't
have the special technical type 

1677
01:19:34,700 --> 01:19:39,200
and riaan squired for Renly 
without being his Squire, or a 

1678
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:42,600
squire at all. 
Damon saint squired for Oberyn 

1679
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:45,000
before his fight with the 
mountain. 

1680
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:48,800
But Damon's D A Night at that 
point so you can be a squire 

1681
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:53,100
without being a squire like to 
me and says Tara slenderly and 

1682
01:19:53,100 --> 01:19:54,900
Giles Grafton were referred to 
as Robert. 

1683
01:19:54,900 --> 01:19:58,100
Aaron Squires. 
Robert is six years old. 

1684
01:19:58,100 --> 01:20:02,700
Like he doesn't have need for 
Squires. 

1685
01:20:02,700 --> 01:20:04,000
Yeah. 
So it's just yeah it's an 

1686
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:07,200
honorific like bars being called
the Lord when he's not really 

1687
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:09,000
Lord of anything on the small 
Council. 

1688
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:12,400
So it's a similar thing, like 
the terms are used loosely. 

1689
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:18,400
As you alluded to before, John's
are at this time, his are in 

1690
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:21,800
this era was Albert Aaron. 
Now this it was word. 

1691
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:25,400
It just keeps coming up are 
yeah, I know Aaron be so he'd 

1692
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:27,200
have been likely been around a 
lot. 

1693
01:20:27,500 --> 01:20:30,500
Albert would have been, so he 
would have probably a lot older 

1694
01:20:30,500 --> 01:20:33,600
than Robert and Ned. 
They would have known him and 

1695
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:35,800
that's like I said, John's 
nephew Nina's. 

1696
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:37,700
Like I don't know how much older
I tend to think Albert was, we 

1697
01:20:37,708 --> 01:20:39,300
have absolutely no sense on 
Ronald. 

1698
01:20:39,300 --> 01:20:43,100
Aaron's age relative to John 
Ronald, being John's younger 

1699
01:20:43,100 --> 01:20:45,100
brother, who would, who would 
pass by this time else? 

1700
01:20:45,100 --> 01:20:47,700
Ronald himself would have been 
the air before Albert, but we 

1701
01:20:47,700 --> 01:20:48,000
do. 
Yeah. 

1702
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,400
So we have no idea. 
Like Albert Sage relative to his

1703
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:52,500
own father. 
Let alone Ronald's age relative 

1704
01:20:52,500 --> 01:20:55,100
to John Brandon had Elbert as a 
companion. 

1705
01:20:55,700 --> 01:20:58,800
So he probably wouldn't have 
been Brandon's companion if he 

1706
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:00,800
had been a lot older and his 
companions were probably around 

1707
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:02,400
his age. 
That's a good point by Nina. 

1708
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:04,700
I was kind of guessing Albert 
was probably older, but this 

1709
01:21:04,900 --> 01:21:07,600
argues, from being a little 
younger and being Brandon's 

1710
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:09,700
companion. 
However, didn't have a happy 

1711
01:21:09,700 --> 01:21:11,500
ending because as we know, all 
of Brandon's companions were 

1712
01:21:11,500 --> 01:21:14,600
executed alongside him. 
Which frames the later 

1713
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:18,400
discussion about Jon arryn's 
reaction to Robert Ned's, heads 

1714
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:21,200
being called for when already 
one of his his own are, was 

1715
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:25,300
already executed, so he could 
have been older than Brandon 

1716
01:21:25,300 --> 01:21:26,500
Ned. 
But probably wasn't really a. 

1717
01:21:26,500 --> 01:21:29,100
I wasn't a lot older than them 
because of Brandon's companions.

1718
01:21:29,100 --> 01:21:32,300
Yeah, they're like his buddies 
and this is also the time when 

1719
01:21:32,300 --> 01:21:36,400
he was John wasn't even married.
So probably very lonely 

1720
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:38,600
household, as we're thinking 
about Rick cards household, 

1721
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:40,100
becoming lonely, and eventually 
Ned's. 

1722
01:21:41,500 --> 01:21:45,300
This would all be something 
maybe noticed when he was around

1723
01:21:45,300 --> 01:21:47,200
him. 
Notice the John, his own family 

1724
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:50,100
part of why they grew. 
So close was John's, didn't have

1725
01:21:50,100 --> 01:21:52,900
his own family to spend some 
time with that would have, maybe

1726
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:55,300
some of that energy would have 
been poured elsewhere, but it 

1727
01:21:55,300 --> 01:21:59,600
was all according to Robert and 
Ned and maybe a couple others if

1728
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:01,700
they were around some unnamed 
other maybe Fosters? 

1729
01:22:01,700 --> 01:22:03,700
They were there but maybe not 
maybe just those two. 

1730
01:22:04,500 --> 01:22:05,600
After all, they excluded the 
phrase. 

1731
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:07,500
I've been out of a lot of other 
candidates to be there. 

1732
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:10,100
Now, there have been other 
nights and people around who 

1733
01:22:10,100 --> 01:22:14,100
were Bellman, but I'm talking 
about Foster's to Jon Arryn 

1734
01:22:14,100 --> 01:22:16,700
specifically. 
I need a says, basically the 

1735
01:22:16,700 --> 01:22:19,000
kind of replacing the children 
who normally would the Aaron 

1736
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:20,400
children, who normally would 
have been there. 

1737
01:22:20,700 --> 01:22:21,900
He would have had Aaron 
children. 

1738
01:22:21,900 --> 01:22:24,900
We do there, we should always be
some Aaron children, but there 

1739
01:22:24,900 --> 01:22:27,300
weren't it's time, Robert, 
Aaron, of course, came much 

1740
01:22:27,300 --> 01:22:31,300
later. 
At some point, Robert would have

1741
01:22:31,300 --> 01:22:33,800
started showing the negative 
qualities. 

1742
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:35,200
It me a lot of positive 
qualities to. 

1743
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:37,200
But, at some point this, these 
the negative qualities that 

1744
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:40,400
became big problems, we have 
started to appear drinking, lots

1745
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:43,000
of chasing women all that stuff.
It sounds like Brandon was doing

1746
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:45,100
some of the same. 
They're not at age nine, when 

1747
01:22:45,100 --> 01:22:50,400
they left for the veil but still
that would have probably been in

1748
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:52,400
the back of nodes head. 
Seeing how similar his brother 

1749
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:54,800
and Robert were in a lot of ways
in terms of these qualities. 

1750
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:57,200
And maybe that's part of why Ned
so disciplined. 

1751
01:22:57,200 --> 01:23:01,400
And that because he saw, That 
weakness in his, some of his 

1752
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:03,400
Elders of his Elder, brothers 
and Buster brothers. 

1753
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:05,200
And was like, I do not want to 
be like that. 

1754
01:23:06,300 --> 01:23:08,900
For whatever reason, he had to 
be more disciplined, perhaps it 

1755
01:23:08,900 --> 01:23:11,500
s son, mentality. 
You know, the, well, this is the

1756
01:23:11,500 --> 01:23:14,300
weakness of there's, this is way
I can get ahead by being 

1757
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:16,500
disciplined and stronger than 
they are and something like 

1758
01:23:16,500 --> 01:23:18,100
that. 
I can't afford for have take 

1759
01:23:18,100 --> 01:23:20,400
these Liberties because I'm the 
second son, that's what I meant,

1760
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:23,000
ality a lot of these, put a lot 
of possibilities, but they all 

1761
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:25,400
seem to potentially fit with 
Nets personality. 

1762
01:23:27,300 --> 01:23:28,400
Coming back to the idea of 
tournaments. 

1763
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:31,300
Ian nurse wants to know if we 
think Ned participated in them 

1764
01:23:31,300 --> 01:23:33,800
at all since it is popular in 
the veil and he would have been 

1765
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:35,400
encouraged to. 
Now he's not interested in them 

1766
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:36,900
later in life. 
If that doesn't mean, he didn't 

1767
01:23:36,900 --> 01:23:39,800
give him a try when he was 
young, someone like Robert would

1768
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:42,300
have been all about it and may 
have encouraged Ned to do it 

1769
01:23:42,300 --> 01:23:44,200
with him because they're come on
Ned, you're my friend. 

1770
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:46,300
Let's douse together things like
that. 

1771
01:23:46,700 --> 01:23:48,600
And Ned were Robert wasn't some 
great Jaster. 

1772
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:51,900
So like Ned might have actually 
been decently matched against 

1773
01:23:51,900 --> 01:23:54,500
him. 
Nina says yeah it's hard to 

1774
01:23:54,500 --> 01:23:59,200
believe that Ned wasn't at least
bare minimum trained to do 

1775
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:02,900
tourney stuff. 
After all Brandon was raised was

1776
01:24:02,900 --> 01:24:05,900
good at it because of his 
upbringing riding horses and 

1777
01:24:06,100 --> 01:24:07,900
Only an apparently had some 
skills. 

1778
01:24:07,900 --> 01:24:10,800
They're also because of her 
horse riding skill, he would 

1779
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:13,400
have participated, not because 
of blurry or a claim, which is 

1780
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:15,400
why he would have avoided it 
later in life because that's 

1781
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:17,300
what have been the only Point as
an adult. 

1782
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:22,900
But he wanted to like a lot of 
things he wanted to represent 

1783
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:25,000
the North and his house. 
Well that would be it would be a

1784
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:27,400
point of he's a Stark in the 
South. 

1785
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:30,600
He wants to conduct himself well
and not have people laugh at 

1786
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:33,000
him. 
Not have their house be shamed 

1787
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:35,600
for any reason and that's not 
really going to happen by 

1788
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,000
sitting. 
Now, you know, if all the boys 

1789
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:40,300
are participating in some sort 
of contest, sort of 

1790
01:24:40,308 --> 01:24:42,900
Championship, some sort of 
competition. 

1791
01:24:43,500 --> 01:24:47,200
He's going to want to compete 
just because it's expected of 

1792
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:49,700
him. 
And isn't the type of person to 

1793
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:51,500
shun? 
That kind of thing. 

1794
01:24:51,700 --> 01:24:54,300
If he sees it as a Duty or 
responsibility, he's unlikely to

1795
01:24:54,300 --> 01:24:55,700
pass. 
He's like, well yeah, I got to 

1796
01:24:55,700 --> 01:24:58,500
do this. 
Here's another nature versus 

1797
01:24:58,500 --> 01:25:03,800
nurture Dynamic here and studies
that, you know, like there's 

1798
01:25:03,900 --> 01:25:05,800
there's all sorts of studies 
that were done in s and a lot of

1799
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:08,500
more Like, I'm twins who were 
separated at Birth or families 

1800
01:25:08,500 --> 01:25:12,400
that have an adopted child, and 
just comparing how how they 

1801
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:14,500
interact. 
And to give some idea of what, 

1802
01:25:14,500 --> 01:25:17,700
how much of it is this family 
environment or social structures

1803
01:25:17,700 --> 01:25:20,400
are being raised in versus the 
genetics that they had, you 

1804
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:21,900
know. 
And one thing they found when 

1805
01:25:21,900 --> 01:25:26,100
they do these types of studies, 
is it the nurture side of things

1806
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:31,100
tend to be stronger. 
In the youth When You're 15 and 

1807
01:25:31,100 --> 01:25:34,600
you're surrounded by parents and
teachers and stuff, you tend to 

1808
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:39,800
display more of those influences
than when you're 45 and you've 

1809
01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:42,600
moved away from that and your 
own ostensibly. 

1810
01:25:43,300 --> 01:25:48,700
Her inherited genetic 
personality definers have taken 

1811
01:25:48,700 --> 01:25:52,000
more control of your life, then 
all the nurture you were getting

1812
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:55,100
in your youth. 
So now going from age, 8 to age 

1813
01:25:55,100 --> 01:26:00,500
16 at the veil with With the 
nights and Robert and eternities

1814
01:26:00,500 --> 01:26:03,000
are way more likely to have been
affected by all that and gone 

1815
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:06,400
along and done it Flash Forward.
20 years when he's more removed 

1816
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:10,000
from that and his more natural 
personality is dominating more 

1817
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:13,500
so than the nurturer of his 
youth in might completely 

1818
01:26:13,500 --> 01:26:15,800
disregard tournament page. 
No way to know if this is 

1819
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:18,300
actually the case, but it's adds
to my beliefs that heck, yeah, 

1820
01:26:18,300 --> 01:26:19,300
he was, uh, playing in 
tournaments. 

1821
01:26:19,300 --> 01:26:20,400
Yeah. 
And you're right. 

1822
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:21,400
That's a great. 
That's a great point. 

1823
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:23,800
Also, one more thing I'll add to
it is say, also, you just 

1824
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:25,900
wouldn't understand the 
consequences of it as well. 

1825
01:26:25,900 --> 01:26:27,600
So some of the things he doesn't
like about it is, it's just a 

1826
01:26:27,608 --> 01:26:28,600
big way. 
Of money. 

1827
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:31,300
Which as a 12 year old, he may 
not have thought about that. 

1828
01:26:31,300 --> 01:26:32,400
It may not have been. 
Yeah. 

1829
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:33,800
I'm like, oh, man. 
This costs a lot. 

1830
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:37,200
We better the better to say this
money for winter supplies, like,

1831
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:39,400
when he's in charge of things 
and thinking on those on that 

1832
01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:42,400
level, he's like, yeah, we don't
wait is a big waste, you know, 

1833
01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:46,100
never mind injury, you might 
tear your ACL plan and it's 

1834
01:26:47,900 --> 01:26:50,100
bring that up at the beginning. 
By the way, y'all both of my 

1835
01:26:50,100 --> 01:26:52,300
co-host today. 
Have injured legs. 

1836
01:26:52,300 --> 01:26:55,000
We got we got we got uh I 
sprained my ankle yesterday. 

1837
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:55,900
Sean. 
Yeah. 

1838
01:26:56,400 --> 01:27:01,100
Wrapped up with icing. 
My place is at fault, I'm 

1839
01:27:01,100 --> 01:27:03,000
actually a three wrapping my 
ankle right. 

1840
01:27:03,700 --> 01:27:08,200
But yeah, it's not nearly as bad
as Sean stumble around tourney 

1841
01:27:08,300 --> 01:27:11,400
soon rights are on. 
Yeah, and 10 days are going to 

1842
01:27:11,500 --> 01:27:15,000
have surgery on his birthday. 
Everybody wishon happy surgery 

1843
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:19,000
birthday. 
This is kind of a question for 

1844
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:21,100
everyone just as soon as we 
think about, who else was around

1845
01:27:21,100 --> 01:27:22,800
the veil. 
These years for Ned to have been

1846
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:25,500
influenced by or befriended 
Ned's. 

1847
01:27:25,500 --> 01:27:26,900
Grandfather's grandfather 
married. 

1848
01:27:26,900 --> 01:27:28,700
Laura Royce. 
As we said, Head back early, in 

1849
01:27:28,708 --> 01:27:30,900
the episode and his mother 
descends from a separate Stark 

1850
01:27:30,900 --> 01:27:34,100
Branch at also come through. 
Laura Royce hasn't said, so he's

1851
01:27:34,100 --> 01:27:37,100
a distant relative to the 
Royce's on both sides, which 

1852
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:40,500
would probably be a point of 
contact with one of the primary 

1853
01:27:40,700 --> 01:27:44,000
houses in the vale, the royces 
and bronze. 

1854
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:46,900
Ian Royce is a friend to net 
later and we're not sure how old

1855
01:27:46,900 --> 01:27:50,200
bronzy on Royce is a little bit 
older, it seems like but maybe 

1856
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:53,200
not a lot older and there was 
someone named Kyle Royce 

1857
01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:56,100
murdered by Ares, alongside 
Ned's family. 

1858
01:27:56,100 --> 01:27:59,400
So this Kyle guy was probably 
Onda Ned, probably maybe even a 

1859
01:27:59,407 --> 01:28:04,000
friend. 
He was in Brandon's retinue Kyle

1860
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:05,100
Roy's, which was why he was 
killed. 

1861
01:28:05,100 --> 01:28:07,500
So he was probably around 
Brandon's age using the same 

1862
01:28:07,500 --> 01:28:13,300
logic we used for Albert Aaron 
which might mean he was God 

1863
01:28:13,300 --> 01:28:17,100
bronze younger brother but 
either way a royce with some 

1864
01:28:17,100 --> 01:28:20,300
connection to bronze young 
because rolls-royce's so 

1865
01:28:20,500 --> 01:28:23,700
obviously had a reason to be on 
the side he was on probably 

1866
01:28:23,700 --> 01:28:26,000
connection. 
Yeah and it was the right the 

1867
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:28,600
rice is did help a right away 
when the War broke out. 

1868
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:33,000
The races were alongside as we 
assume John and Robert and Ned 

1869
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:35,200
when they took all town because 
the goal Town Rose for the 

1870
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:39,700
targaryens and Ian Royce would 
later be quote close to open 

1871
01:28:39,700 --> 01:28:42,800
Revolt over lices unwillingness 
to support the Starks versus 

1872
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:45,700
Lannisters beginning of the war 
of five Kings. 

1873
01:28:46,700 --> 01:28:49,600
So there's a lot of reasons to 
look at the disconnection 

1874
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:52,900
between Royce and Stark and the 
think that a lot of it came from

1875
01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:56,900
Ned's youth or at least was 
reinforced old connections, were

1876
01:28:56,900 --> 01:28:58,200
reinforced by Ned. 
Ed's youth. 

1877
01:28:58,200 --> 01:28:59,900
Might be a better way to put it 
either way. 

1878
01:29:00,100 --> 01:29:03,700
Ned's Youth and time in the vale
seems to be pretty crucial 

1879
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:07,400
Meteorites. 
Ned remembers, Robert jesting 

1880
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:10,600
with Lord Hunter and Jon Arryn 
right before the moment, rhaegar

1881
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:12,200
presented, the crown of the 
queen of love and beauty 

1882
01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:13,400
Liliana. 
That's of course at the 

1883
01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:15,700
tournament of harrenhal. 
While Lord Hunter was 

1884
01:29:15,700 --> 01:29:18,600
considerably older than Ned or 
Robert either or both of his two

1885
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:21,200
younger Sons might have been of 
an age with Robert and Ned to 

1886
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:23,000
the hunters. 
Obviously, that's a veil house. 

1887
01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:27,100
We see them in amongst those 
Lords declar inch with 

1888
01:29:27,100 --> 01:29:29,800
Littlefinger. 
And if he's the pros and or 

1889
01:29:29,800 --> 01:29:31,900
against little finger, these 
four crows. 

1890
01:29:31,900 --> 01:29:35,400
But also with Littlefinger, The 
hunters would have been in our 

1891
01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:37,900
another potential family that 
would have been around Robert 

1892
01:29:37,900 --> 01:29:41,000
and Ned and had a solid 
relations of that era. 

1893
01:29:42,100 --> 01:29:44,500
And Ned might have even known 
Harold Harding's parents. 

1894
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:47,400
That'd be a funny little twist a
little connection that we might 

1895
01:29:47,400 --> 01:29:48,700
not have seen coming. 
I did not have that. 

1896
01:29:48,700 --> 01:29:50,400
Did not occur to me at all. 
Good. 

1897
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:53,700
Catch by Nina with Jon Arryn, as
his foster father. 

1898
01:29:53,700 --> 01:29:55,400
Ned might have been encouraged 
to see Alice. 

1899
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:59,200
Aaron John's sister as something
like an ant to him makes sense, 

1900
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:02,300
especially since net himself had
no answer uncles on his father's

1901
01:30:02,300 --> 01:30:04,400
side and only a single ant 
married to a storm later. 

1902
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:07,000
The Aristocrat on his mother's 
side, so he probably didn't know

1903
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:10,300
her very well at all some, or 
all of Alex's daughters might 

1904
01:30:10,300 --> 01:30:12,200
have been of an age with Ned and
Robert. 

1905
01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:14,400
And while the boys might have 
grown Less close to these girls 

1906
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:17,400
as they aged and you know 
westerosi gender divisions are 

1907
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:19,600
what they are. 
They are paths tend to really to

1908
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:21,000
Verge. 
They keep the young boys and 

1909
01:30:21,008 --> 01:30:22,800
young girls away from each 
other, during the reg, 

1910
01:30:22,900 --> 01:30:26,300
upbringing years quite often. 
And so, they might have still 

1911
01:30:26,300 --> 01:30:28,800
visited, though, despite that 
they may have visited, these 

1912
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:32,600
Foster quote unquote cousins, 
Harry's father was a knight 

1913
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:34,700
sworn to Iron Oaks. 
So that's another that's another

1914
01:30:34,700 --> 01:30:38,300
prominent jailhouse. 
Yeah, there's a lot of that may 

1915
01:30:38,300 --> 01:30:40,400
have a little backdoor 
connection. 

1916
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:44,100
Here's a passage that really 
helps us cast our imagination. 

1917
01:30:44,100 --> 01:30:47,500
Back to this, this time. 
This is eddard seven Game of 

1918
01:30:47,500 --> 01:30:50,600
Thrones. 
They broke their fast on black 

1919
01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:54,400
bread and boiled, goose eggs and
fish fried up with onion and 

1920
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:58,200
bacon at a trestle table by the 
River's Edge, the Kings 

1921
01:30:58,200 --> 01:31:02,500
Melancholy, melted away with 
Morning Mist, and before long, 

1922
01:31:02,700 --> 01:31:06,400
Robert was eating an orange and 
waxing fond about a morning at 

1923
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:08,600
the Eyrie when they had been 
boys. 

1924
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:11,300
And given John a barrel of 
oranges. 

1925
01:31:11,300 --> 01:31:14,700
Remember, only two things have 
gone rotten so I flung mine 

1926
01:31:14,700 --> 01:31:17,100
across the table and hit Dax 
right in the nose. 

1927
01:31:17,200 --> 01:31:19,900
You remember. 
Red Fort, Spock faced Squire. 

1928
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:22,400
You tell us what back at me and 
before John could so much as 

1929
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:24,000
fart. 
There were orange is flying 

1930
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:27,300
across a high Hall and every 
direction he laughs uproariously

1931
01:31:27,500 --> 01:31:31,300
and even Ned smiled. 
Remembering this was the boy, he

1932
01:31:31,300 --> 01:31:34,800
had grown up with God. 
This was the Robert Baratheon, 

1933
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:38,000
he'd known and loved. 
Yeah, that's a good one. 

1934
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:41,400
That's a good quote. 
Like that house red for it is 

1935
01:31:41,700 --> 01:31:43,700
pretty much in between Rune, 
Stone in the area. 

1936
01:31:43,700 --> 01:31:46,100
So it's a mix sense that the red
ports would be present there, 

1937
01:31:46,500 --> 01:31:48,900
and we wonder to this brings up.
Another question as of may be a 

1938
01:31:48,907 --> 01:31:52,000
little too big for this episode 
but gamma Rick Bolton squired 

1939
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:54,600
for Lord, Red Fort. 
So, you see this like Rickard 

1940
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:58,800
Stark not the only Northern Lord
looking South to make different 

1941
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:00,500
Arrangements of maybe that's why
the Bolton's did it. 

1942
01:32:00,500 --> 01:32:03,500
They wanted to just do what 
Starks of Winterfell we're doing

1943
01:32:03,500 --> 01:32:07,000
just play along. 
Make the same sort of parallel 

1944
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:09,200
moves and hey if they're gonna 
get involved in the South so are

1945
01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:10,700
we We're going to reap the same 
benefits. 

1946
01:32:10,700 --> 01:32:12,700
They do maybe use this to our 
advantage. 

1947
01:32:12,700 --> 01:32:17,500
Somehow. 
Yeah, you know I read this quote

1948
01:32:17,700 --> 01:32:19,000
I'm not sure how to read this 
quote. 

1949
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:22,000
I see a different interpretation
of what I had had before. 

1950
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:26,400
I felt like it was I've always 
had felt like it was Ned finally

1951
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:31,000
reflecting on Robert of Youth 
you know like this nostalgic 

1952
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:32,900
thing like oh man. 
That's the Robert I knew. 

1953
01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:36,700
But now I think maybe he's 
seeing the signs. 

1954
01:32:36,700 --> 01:32:39,000
He's like yeah Roberts always 
been this jerk. 

1955
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:41,700
This is fine. 
Inconsiderate destructive, 

1956
01:32:43,300 --> 01:32:46,400
immature etcetera, etcetera. 
You know, yeah, started a food 

1957
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:47,200
fight. 
I mean, it's pretty. 

1958
01:32:47,900 --> 01:32:50,600
Yeah, he started a food. 
Now he's starting food Wars, not

1959
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:54,100
food fights. 
It's the ideas like kind of 

1960
01:32:54,100 --> 01:32:55,000
funny started. 
Fuck. 

1961
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:59,600
Can you imagine if a strong 
teenage boy through an orange 

1962
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:02,700
and hit you in the nose? 
That's not just like light 

1963
01:33:02,700 --> 01:33:05,200
horseplay. 
That's stick it seriously. 

1964
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:07,700
At least hurt, maybe knife 
permanently and you have for 

1965
01:33:07,700 --> 01:33:09,400
people who are railing on each 
other in the practice. 

1966
01:33:09,500 --> 01:33:09,900
Sure. 
That's right. 

1967
01:33:09,900 --> 01:33:10,900
Not that big of a deal. 
Yeah. 

1968
01:33:10,900 --> 01:33:13,700
But still like it's kind of like
well I mean Aria through an 

1969
01:33:13,700 --> 01:33:17,600
orange at Sansa remember and 
ruined her dress but yeah. 

1970
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:19,800
Are you gonna throw like Robert?
Yeah like you can't throw she 

1971
01:33:19,800 --> 01:33:23,000
might not be more accurate but 
you got you can't load up like 

1972
01:33:23,300 --> 01:33:27,800
six foot three Robert yeah no 
problem Sting's like and that 

1973
01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:33,200
really hurt and again it's like 
haha that was so fun slaves. 

1974
01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:35,800
Come clean up our mess done 
having fun. 

1975
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:38,500
Now come on all the people that 
have no control of their lives. 

1976
01:33:38,500 --> 01:33:39,400
Clean up the mess. 
We had. 

1977
01:33:39,500 --> 01:33:41,500
For fun. 
Yeah, that's the result of that.

1978
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:44,600
Let's talk about Jon Arryn 
because he's like the second 

1979
01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:46,200
Father Figure. 
He's come up so much, he's 

1980
01:33:46,200 --> 01:33:48,100
really important. 
Let's focus on him for at least 

1981
01:33:48,100 --> 01:33:50,600
a few minutes. 
Starting with this quote, that 

1982
01:33:50,900 --> 01:33:53,600
sets up how big a deal. 
John was tune it. 

1983
01:33:54,500 --> 01:33:58,100
There is no way to soften the 
blow so she told him straight, 

1984
01:33:58,900 --> 01:34:02,400
I'm so sorry. 
My love Jon Arryn is dead. 

1985
01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:06,500
His eyes found hers and she 
could see how hard it took him. 

1986
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:09,300
As she had known, it would in 
his youth. 

1987
01:34:09,500 --> 01:34:13,100
That had fostered at the Eyrie 
and the child was lordaeron, had

1988
01:34:13,100 --> 01:34:16,400
become a second father to him 
and his fellow War, Robert 

1989
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:19,400
Baratheon. 
When the Mad King aerys, the 

1990
01:34:19,400 --> 01:34:22,500
second Targaryen had demanded 
their heads. 

1991
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:27,000
The lord of the Erie had raised 
his Moon and Falcon banners and 

1992
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:30,600
Revolt rather than give up 
those, he had pledged to protect

1993
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:31,900
far. 
As you can see here, he live 

1994
01:34:31,900 --> 01:34:33,600
with Jon Arryn as long. 
Has he lived in Winterfell? 

1995
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:36,000
It's eight years each right? 
Or close enough. 

1996
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:37,900
And as I said, Sean, when you 
brought it up earlier, then once

1997
01:34:37,900 --> 01:34:40,300
you turn 16, he started going 
back and forth about three years

1998
01:34:40,300 --> 01:34:43,000
of going back and forth before 
Robert's Rebellion. 

1999
01:34:43,400 --> 01:34:45,700
So we actually have a clearer 
picture of John's personality of

2000
01:34:45,700 --> 01:34:48,100
the records. 
Not only is John arguably a 

2001
01:34:48,108 --> 01:34:52,100
bigger influence on Ned but we 
know more about John so much of 

2002
01:34:52,100 --> 01:34:54,800
Ned's nobility is honor. 
His decency seems to come from 

2003
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:56,900
John. 
Maybe it was reinforced by some 

2004
01:34:56,900 --> 01:34:58,800
of those qualities. 
Also being president his own 

2005
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:01,100
father. 
So like that would be really 

2006
01:35:01,100 --> 01:35:05,400
strong influence of both Ricard 
and John had those qualities, 

2007
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:07,900
which is entirely possible. 
They did given how well, John 

2008
01:35:07,900 --> 01:35:09,200
and Rickards seemed to hit it 
off. 

2009
01:35:09,200 --> 01:35:11,000
Release, agree. 
On a lot of things at least they

2010
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:15,200
worked together, functionally as
allies implies, a level of 

2011
01:35:15,200 --> 01:35:20,100
trust, which may imply certain 
common traits among their 

2012
01:35:20,100 --> 01:35:22,600
personality like it Dad was a 
real scumbag. 

2013
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:25,400
John wouldn't trust him or he 
was untrustworthy. 

2014
01:35:25,500 --> 01:35:27,800
I just wouldn't trust 
untrustworthy person. 

2015
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:32,400
I guess right? 
And later cat points out in her 

2016
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:35,400
very first chapter that Ned's 
Father Figure became a brother 

2017
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:37,600
by marriage when they both 
married Tully sisters. 

2018
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:40,900
So it's kind of like he was my 
second father that he became my 

2019
01:35:40,900 --> 01:35:44,600
brother-in-law, which is a 
little weird, but still it 

2020
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:46,000
brought them even closer in a 
sense. 

2021
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:48,100
You know, what's also weird that
married? 

2022
01:35:48,100 --> 01:35:50,400
The older two girls with John is
never mind. 

2023
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:53,200
That's yeah. 
Political marriages are weird. 

2024
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:59,000
Ned says our Nina says rather 
National Nina Nina says, it's 

2025
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:01,200
also worth. 
During what extra education and 

2026
01:36:01,200 --> 01:36:03,700
military command. 
Ned might have gotten by virtue 

2027
01:36:03,700 --> 01:36:06,600
of being fostered with Jon Arryn
versus Rickard Stark. 

2028
01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:09,400
We don't know exactly how much 
experience Jon Arryn hadn't War 

2029
01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:12,600
prior to the word, ninepenny 
Kings, but given his age, it's 

2030
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:14,900
possible that he served in, not 
just that, but the peak 

2031
01:36:14,900 --> 01:36:18,100
Uprising, and the fourth, 
blackfyre Rebellion, which is 

2032
01:36:18,100 --> 01:36:21,300
not to say Rick card was 
necessarily bad or uneducated, 

2033
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:23,900
but I tend to think Rick art, 
played it safe in the war. 

2034
01:36:23,900 --> 01:36:27,100
Because when Rickard Stark was 
in the war of ninepenny Kings, 

2035
01:36:27,500 --> 01:36:30,700
we don't know of any other 
living Stark, nail So it'd be 

2036
01:36:30,700 --> 01:36:33,000
kind of dangerous for him to 
sell, put himself in the front 

2037
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:35,500
lines, he didn't have a son yet 
the word. 

2038
01:36:35,500 --> 01:36:39,700
Many things was into 60 Grand 
and start was born in 262 and we

2039
01:36:39,708 --> 01:36:42,500
don't know of any uncle's are 
brothers, were whatever either 

2040
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:45,600
so we know of. 
No other shark nails that time. 

2041
01:36:46,100 --> 01:36:49,100
It was also like on the far end 
of the continent to, right? 

2042
01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:51,200
Yes. 
Bailey's the Monstrous was slain

2043
01:36:51,200 --> 01:36:54,000
on the stepstones. 
So, yeah, the extreme far as 

2044
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:55,300
your right? 
So basically the door between 

2045
01:36:55,300 --> 01:36:57,400
Doran and esos. 
Yeah. 

2046
01:36:58,200 --> 01:37:02,600
Like it, you know, if he hit 
Just immediately Abandon All 

2047
01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:06,100
responsibility and taking off as
fast as you could with no 

2048
01:37:06,100 --> 01:37:09,300
support or anything. 
It started taking a like months 

2049
01:37:09,300 --> 01:37:12,200
to get there you know. 
And if you needed to tie some 

2050
01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:15,000
stuff up and gets, you know, a 
company together and her 

2051
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:17,300
traveling on a road with a bunch
of horses and wagons in it. 

2052
01:37:17,400 --> 01:37:20,000
I'm taking it little year to. 
Yeah get down there to do 

2053
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:21,600
anything. 
Do you wonder how he handled the

2054
01:37:21,608 --> 01:37:22,600
whole? 
There must be a Stark in 

2055
01:37:22,600 --> 01:37:24,400
Winterfell you know like what 
did they do it? 

2056
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:26,300
Well maybe I didn't go at all. 
Maybe he just sends a 

2057
01:37:26,308 --> 01:37:28,700
subordinate and this but that 
doesn't make sense because of 

2058
01:37:28,700 --> 01:37:31,500
the friending people. 
So he may have gone in a command

2059
01:37:31,500 --> 01:37:36,700
role and it's never never got 
close to fighting directly, but 

2060
01:37:36,700 --> 01:37:39,400
maybe he took the risk or maybe 
there was an uncle or cousin or 

2061
01:37:39,407 --> 01:37:41,300
were not aware of. 
That was the Stark at Winterfell

2062
01:37:41,300 --> 01:37:43,000
during that period, That's 
entirely possible that there's 

2063
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:45,400
an unnamed Stark around wouldn't
be a stretch at all. 

2064
01:37:46,100 --> 01:37:49,200
But this answer is an earlier 
question we had about why was 

2065
01:37:49,200 --> 01:37:52,100
maybe Ned a better Battle 
Commander than Brandon, not just

2066
01:37:52,100 --> 01:37:55,400
potentially because of just he's
more suited for because Ned 

2067
01:37:55,400 --> 01:37:58,300
learned from someone who likely 
had more experience at it. 

2068
01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:02,400
We also hear later, the Jon 
Arryn was a mitigating factor 

2069
01:38:02,400 --> 01:38:05,800
between Ned's ice and Roberts 
fire when Ned and Robert fight 

2070
01:38:05,800 --> 01:38:08,700
over the dead Targaryen children
in King's Landing. 

2071
01:38:08,700 --> 01:38:11,400
Right after rhaegar's death and 
the sack of King's Landing. 

2072
01:38:11,400 --> 01:38:15,100
Robert says I see no Babes Only 
Dragon spawn and Ned loses it at

2073
01:38:15,100 --> 01:38:17,900
that comment. 
And the next line is not even 

2074
01:38:17,900 --> 01:38:19,800
John Aaron have been able to 
calm that storm. 

2075
01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:23,900
So for that was an interesting 
role reversal, that's Robert 

2076
01:38:23,900 --> 01:38:26,900
being ice and Ned being fire, 
right? 

2077
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:28,400
Actually, that's a good call. 
Notice that? 

2078
01:38:28,500 --> 01:38:31,300
That. 
So, John was the go-between 

2079
01:38:31,300 --> 01:38:34,100
there, there would somehow like 
help them mitigate their 

2080
01:38:34,100 --> 01:38:35,600
differences, which probably come
up when they were younger, they 

2081
01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:38,100
would occasionally Clash over 
things and John was probably the

2082
01:38:38,100 --> 01:38:39,800
one to say. 
Hey, look, you guys are friends,

2083
01:38:40,400 --> 01:38:42,800
remember that? 
Like, like a father should do? 

2084
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:45,800
That's a good fatherly. 
Thing to help build Bridges 

2085
01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:48,600
between people when they're 
having disagreements and make 

2086
01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:51,100
sure the disagreements don't 
wreck their relationship for no 

2087
01:38:51,100 --> 01:38:53,800
good reason. 
And it's doubtful, they had 

2088
01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:55,300
bigger fights than that 
particular. 

2089
01:38:55,300 --> 01:38:58,400
One, the one over the no Babes 
Only. 

2090
01:38:58,600 --> 01:39:00,400
I can smile, I'm not sure they 
had a reason to have a bigger 

2091
01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:04,000
argument than that. 
But still I have a confident 

2092
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:06,500
headcanon, the John help them 
resolve many differences. 

2093
01:39:06,500 --> 01:39:09,400
Over the years that we have been
the biggest one and taught them 

2094
01:39:09,400 --> 01:39:11,000
lesson. 
One how to do it on their own, 

2095
01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:15,800
we wasn't there, which we do see
happen, do see, some decent 

2096
01:39:15,800 --> 01:39:18,900
conflict resolution between them
and just thinking about the idea

2097
01:39:18,900 --> 01:39:21,200
of, you know, how big that 
argument was if they had bigger 

2098
01:39:21,200 --> 01:39:24,600
ones, that that one was I mean 
there's more at stake with that 

2099
01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:27,600
one and other arguments that had
but I can imagine as teenage 

2100
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:30,600
boys, they argued harder over 
things that were less relevant 

2101
01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:31,600
yet. 
Exist out. 

2102
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:34,000
Yeah you got that burn yeah you 
got that like you want to be 

2103
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:35,600
when you want to be right? 
Yeah. 

2104
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:37,500
Like stuff that doesn't matter. 
Quite as much when you're older 

2105
01:39:38,300 --> 01:39:39,800
it might not have been something
right there. 

2106
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:42,400
Might not have been something. 
It was actually as important as 

2107
01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:45,900
this for John to have to come 
between them, but I can imagine 

2108
01:39:45,900 --> 01:39:49,200
John had to do more to come 
between them than what was 

2109
01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:51,000
required. 
Like, even in this is much as 

2110
01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:52,800
upset as they were, they didn't 
like it. 

2111
01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:55,800
Come to blows but I can imagine 
when you're 15 or even over 

2112
01:39:55,800 --> 01:39:58,500
girl, they might start wrestling
around over the girl, but right 

2113
01:39:59,200 --> 01:40:00,800
around there. 
Basically, you know, coming to 

2114
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:04,000
it, here's a quote that hearkens
to this concept that were 

2115
01:40:04,008 --> 01:40:08,100
discussing now for a moment. 
Ned did not follow it, run out 

2116
01:40:08,100 --> 01:40:11,400
of words and he was filled with 
a vast sense of helplessness not

2117
01:40:11,400 --> 01:40:13,600
for the first time. 
He wondered what he was doing 

2118
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:15,800
here. 
And why he had come he was no 

2119
01:40:15,800 --> 01:40:18,600
Jon Arryn to curb the wildness 
of his King and teach him 

2120
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:21,200
wisdom. 
Robert would do what he pleased 

2121
01:40:21,200 --> 01:40:24,100
as he always had. 
And I could say or do will 

2122
01:40:24,100 --> 01:40:26,500
change that. 
That's a statement that comes 

2123
01:40:26,500 --> 01:40:29,200
from long years of experience 
dealing with this man. 

2124
01:40:29,400 --> 01:40:32,100
All right, but he has the wisdom
that accepted for he would have 

2125
01:40:32,100 --> 01:40:33,500
argued. 
Like you said, it's a teenager. 

2126
01:40:33,500 --> 01:40:35,500
He would have argued. 
Probably tried to get Robert not

2127
01:40:35,500 --> 01:40:37,300
to do things. 
This is a man who's had that 

2128
01:40:37,300 --> 01:40:41,400
argument so many times doesn't 
work so he doesn't even do he's 

2129
01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:43,400
like yeah not only did Robert 
not do it before. 

2130
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:46,400
Now Roberts King, he's dead like
it's even harder. 

2131
01:40:46,500 --> 01:40:48,100
He's older. 
He's more set in his ways. 

2132
01:40:48,100 --> 01:40:48,900
He really. 
Yeah. 

2133
01:40:49,200 --> 01:40:51,900
Clearly he might have even in 
his youth, been able to appeal 

2134
01:40:51,900 --> 01:40:55,000
to John like John. 
Roberts trying to do XYZ and, 

2135
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:57,800
and sometimes John knows that 
net is, right? 

2136
01:40:57,800 --> 01:41:00,300
But still tries to find middle 
ground or whatever else. 

2137
01:41:00,400 --> 01:41:02,400
But in this case, there's no 
more for him to peel through 

2138
01:41:02,400 --> 01:41:05,500
there were formed from the go to
and say, hey, the teams doing 

2139
01:41:05,500 --> 01:41:06,900
this wrong thing. 
Put him in. 

2140
01:41:06,900 --> 01:41:09,700
Check that he's the one that's 
supposed to put together a check

2141
01:41:09,700 --> 01:41:14,500
and you knows, he can't do it. 
And you can see how Ned's tries 

2142
01:41:14,500 --> 01:41:17,900
to somehow justify things that 
happen because of his loyalty to

2143
01:41:17,900 --> 01:41:21,100
these people should be loyal to 
your friends, to a certain 

2144
01:41:21,100 --> 01:41:22,900
degree. 
But these are also Kings, and 

2145
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:25,900
Birds and their decisions affect
a lot more than just their 

2146
01:41:25,900 --> 01:41:28,700
friendship here. 
Like, when discussing Finance, 

2147
01:41:28,900 --> 01:41:32,600
Robert spent all the Crown's 
money and net is like Shirley, 

2148
01:41:32,600 --> 01:41:36,100
John wouldn't have allowed that 
and then he's like, dude, Robert

2149
01:41:36,100 --> 01:41:38,200
does what he wants? 
You just got through thinking 

2150
01:41:38,200 --> 01:41:41,200
that two chapters ago. 
Like, oh yeah, good point man. 

2151
01:41:41,200 --> 01:41:42,800
You know, he's just like he 
didn't want to believe it. 

2152
01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:46,900
His default is to express, 
loyalty to this thought 

2153
01:41:46,900 --> 01:41:50,000
processes of his friends and 
people he cares about but when 

2154
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:52,800
they were, when they say that, 
he's like yeah. 

2155
01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:55,500
Yeah, that checks out you're 
like yeah Roberts does what he 

2156
01:41:55,500 --> 01:41:56,100
wants? 
Yeah. 

2157
01:41:56,100 --> 01:41:59,800
Okay, I should have known. 
Hey, you know, but he defaults 

2158
01:41:59,800 --> 01:42:02,300
to like loyalty which is I think
that's an interesting thing. 

2159
01:42:02,300 --> 01:42:05,000
He was part of his upbringing. 
He goes back to I was the 

2160
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:08,100
younger one so I'm I should be 
supportive of their decisions as

2161
01:42:08,100 --> 01:42:10,900
a default, okay, you argued me 
into. 

2162
01:42:10,900 --> 01:42:13,800
Yeah, they made a mistake, but 
he starts off with loyalty and 

2163
01:42:13,900 --> 01:42:18,100
being on their side. 
And maybe even Beyond loyalty. 

2164
01:42:18,200 --> 01:42:21,100
A lot of people you have the 
instinct to kind of project what

2165
01:42:21,100 --> 01:42:22,400
you would do on other people. 
Yeah. 

2166
01:42:22,400 --> 01:42:25,100
Like I want has been all the 
Crown's money, neither would 

2167
01:42:25,100 --> 01:42:27,400
Robert, I would have let Robert 
spent all the crowns and money 

2168
01:42:27,400 --> 01:42:30,000
neither with John. 
But you know, when you stop to 

2169
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:33,000
think about like, everyone isn't
going to do exactly what I would

2170
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:35,700
do and I can't always do exactly
what I want to do. 

2171
01:42:35,700 --> 01:42:37,700
Yeah. 
And Roberts part of Robert Ned's

2172
01:42:37,700 --> 01:42:41,200
resentment towards Robert, is 
that he did listen like he did 

2173
01:42:41,200 --> 01:42:45,100
listen to these lessons. 
He did do what his superiors and

2174
01:42:45,400 --> 01:42:48,300
Authority, Yours and father 
figures told him. 

2175
01:42:48,900 --> 01:42:54,300
So some of that is like AA 
Second Son, mentality versus 

2176
01:42:54,300 --> 01:42:56,900
first son mentality writ large 
over the course of their 

2177
01:42:56,900 --> 01:43:00,900
lifetimes here old resentments 
coming back but also loyalties 

2178
01:43:00,900 --> 01:43:03,800
you still like despite the stuff
he's still it's still his 

2179
01:43:03,800 --> 01:43:07,500
friend, you know, like that 
doesn't fall off now, also need 

2180
01:43:07,500 --> 01:43:10,300
to point out something that kind
of segues into another subtopic.

2181
01:43:10,300 --> 01:43:13,700
Here is being to trusted like 
this is a good example. 

2182
01:43:13,700 --> 01:43:15,900
Ned was little too trusting of 
his memory of John. 

2183
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:18,400
John and Robert to put two and 
two together and think, of 

2184
01:43:18,400 --> 01:43:19,700
course, Robert did what he 
wanted. 

2185
01:43:19,700 --> 01:43:20,600
That's why they don't have 
money. 

2186
01:43:20,600 --> 01:43:23,000
I shouldn't have defaulted to 
thinking John will keep that 

2187
01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:25,300
under control, but there's more 
to it. 

2188
01:43:25,500 --> 01:43:27,200
Isn't there? 
Part of the reason, the crowns 

2189
01:43:27,200 --> 01:43:29,800
and debt is because of baelish's
schemes. 

2190
01:43:30,500 --> 01:43:34,100
And who appointed Baelish Jon 
Arryn Hoops, a? 

2191
01:43:34,100 --> 01:43:36,000
So maybe being a little too 
trusting. 

2192
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:40,900
That's where we come in to this,
like, he hired this man and saw 

2193
01:43:40,900 --> 01:43:44,600
good results from what little 
finger is doing, not realizing 

2194
01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:47,000
that this was manipulation. 
Not realizing that this was 

2195
01:43:47,000 --> 01:43:51,000
Financial scheming and all that.
That's probably something he 

2196
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:53,200
learned from that maybe being a 
little too. 

2197
01:43:53,200 --> 01:43:56,100
Trusting, like net also will be 
too trusting little finger even 

2198
01:43:56,100 --> 01:43:59,000
while he doesn't trust him. 
He's like, well, he was good to 

2199
01:43:59,000 --> 01:44:00,500
cat. 
It's that same thing where he 

2200
01:44:00,500 --> 01:44:04,400
sees loyalty to someone, he 
loves and that makes him want to

2201
01:44:04,600 --> 01:44:07,600
extend that same courtesy to, 
the person that's doing it. 

2202
01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:10,700
Even though often those people 
have ulterior motives especially

2203
01:44:10,700 --> 01:44:12,900
because of their people in 
power. 

2204
01:44:12,900 --> 01:44:15,900
Of course it's a thing when 
you're in power, people will say

2205
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:19,800
Sidle up to you for favors 
because you're powerful and 

2206
01:44:19,800 --> 01:44:23,000
Littlefinger is a master at that
sort of thing, and that's going 

2207
01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:26,100
through much of a tangent. 
But it's possible that Robert or

2208
01:44:26,100 --> 01:44:30,200
John allow more money to be 
spent and should have because 

2209
01:44:30,200 --> 01:44:32,700
Littlefinger made more money 
than they thought they could 

2210
01:44:32,700 --> 01:44:36,400
write like it's it's exact if 
Littlefinger is doing a bunch of

2211
01:44:36,400 --> 01:44:40,500
positive things to free up more 
money than Robert and or John or

2212
01:44:40,500 --> 01:44:42,900
less worried about it and like 
sure go ahead and do that next 

2213
01:44:42,900 --> 01:44:44,400
tournament. 
But after the third time of 

2214
01:44:44,400 --> 01:44:46,800
that, even little things like 
look I Only do so much, you 

2215
01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:49,000
know. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

2216
01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:50,600
A little bigger company 
promoted, he hired him to 

2217
01:44:50,600 --> 01:44:52,700
promoting him and of course that
goes back to the warm ninepenny 

2218
01:44:52,700 --> 01:44:56,500
Kings because Hofstra tolly 
befriended little fingers dad 

2219
01:44:56,500 --> 01:45:02,000
there and Little Finger got his 
appointment in part because of 

2220
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:05,200
Jon Arryn and Hofstra Tully's 
recommendations, Etc, Force 

2221
01:45:05,200 --> 01:45:09,400
posture, kicked little finger 
out which is part of why he got 

2222
01:45:09,400 --> 01:45:10,400
start working for John 
Harrington. 

2223
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:14,800
A lot of little subplots hear 
that wind up as well here, it's 

2224
01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:17,100
why this story. 
That's why we never run out of 

2225
01:45:17,108 --> 01:45:20,700
things to talk about. 
That's an uncomfortable truth. 

2226
01:45:20,700 --> 01:45:23,700
That Ned Peter actually have 
been common that Jon Arryn is a 

2227
01:45:23,708 --> 01:45:26,700
major influence and benefactor 
it went very different work 

2228
01:45:26,700 --> 01:45:29,200
directions for that. 
But with a lot of things in 

2229
01:45:29,200 --> 01:45:34,600
common like Catelyn and Lysa ye 
both of them. 

2230
01:45:34,600 --> 01:45:37,900
Yeah, there's so many memories 
moments like this and a Game of 

2231
01:45:37,907 --> 01:45:41,200
Thrones through meds memories. 
I'm sure I missed some like, I'm

2232
01:45:41,200 --> 01:45:43,700
going to do one eye next finish.
My full reread of, Just A Game 

2233
01:45:43,700 --> 01:45:45,300
of Thrones, I'll be like, oh, 
that would have been a good 

2234
01:45:45,300 --> 01:45:47,000
thing too. 
Point to that. 

2235
01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:49,100
What references Ned's 
upbringing. 

2236
01:45:49,100 --> 01:45:51,900
And, and that's why I'm excited 
to maybe do more of these on 

2237
01:45:51,900 --> 01:45:53,800
different characters will be 
able to maybe throw in a few 

2238
01:45:53,800 --> 01:45:57,300
tidbits and comparisons to 
things that we may have missed 

2239
01:45:57,800 --> 01:46:00,900
in the past. 
You know, there's one quote that

2240
01:46:00,900 --> 01:46:03,100
I found by the way. 
I'll just something we talked 

2241
01:46:03,100 --> 01:46:04,700
about that. 
I kind of want to make the point

2242
01:46:04,700 --> 01:46:06,400
of this is a tricky thing to 
research. 

2243
01:46:06,400 --> 01:46:09,800
It's hard to like, there's not 
like the first four chapters of 

2244
01:46:09,800 --> 01:46:11,500
the book, or about Ned's. 
You know what I mean? 

2245
01:46:11,500 --> 01:46:15,100
It's battered through all over 
the place in his heart of you. 

2246
01:46:15,100 --> 01:46:15,800
Fine. 
Yeah. 

2247
01:46:15,900 --> 01:46:18,500
Yeah, you kind of really have to
kind of research everything to 

2248
01:46:18,700 --> 01:46:21,500
pluck out these little bits. 
And I was attempted to do that 

2249
01:46:21,500 --> 01:46:23,300
in different areas. 
I could give at least a lot of 

2250
01:46:23,300 --> 01:46:26,500
credit for having like a good 
intuition of perspective of 

2251
01:46:26,500 --> 01:46:30,300
where to even start with this. 
But but one cool, I found that I

2252
01:46:30,300 --> 01:46:32,500
thought was very interesting but
it quite find a way to work it 

2253
01:46:32,500 --> 01:46:34,300
into the document but now that 
we're talking about little 

2254
01:46:34,300 --> 01:46:38,200
finger a little bit. 
He says, I once told Ned Stark 

2255
01:46:38,200 --> 01:46:40,700
that when you find yourself 
naked with an ugly woman, the 

2256
01:46:40,700 --> 01:46:43,400
only thing to do is close your 
eyes and get on with it, I don't

2257
01:46:43,400 --> 01:46:45,400
know if that's part of Ned's 
education. 

2258
01:46:46,200 --> 01:46:49,200
Middle finger there is a lesson.
He didn't. 

2259
01:46:49,200 --> 01:46:51,400
He didn't accept. 
Like yeah, take that like that. 

2260
01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:55,000
I didn't listen. 
He was Robert in that moment 

2261
01:46:55,000 --> 01:46:58,700
like no, I don't know. 
Yeah, harkening back. 

2262
01:46:58,700 --> 01:47:00,000
Yeah, there's just so many 
memories. 

2263
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:02,700
Not only in a Game of Thrones 
like it's not just limited to 

2264
01:47:02,708 --> 01:47:04,400
that book where we have Ned 
memories because they're just 

2265
01:47:04,400 --> 01:47:07,200
like you pointed this out. 
When we had our weekly meeting 

2266
01:47:07,200 --> 01:47:10,800
Sean, take out book one, and 
there's still hundreds of 

2267
01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:13,200
mentions of Ned Stark in the 
rest of the series because his 

2268
01:47:13,200 --> 01:47:15,700
influence is literally hundreds 
like 800 or something. 

2269
01:47:16,500 --> 01:47:22,400
And some of some subset of that 
is lessons from him to his 

2270
01:47:22,400 --> 01:47:26,500
various children, povs of which 
there are many, we could have 

2271
01:47:26,500 --> 01:47:28,500
the next book. 
John could think of something 

2272
01:47:28,500 --> 01:47:29,800
that taught him and would be 
like, oh, that would be 

2273
01:47:29,800 --> 01:47:31,500
something that we could, we 
could have included in this 

2274
01:47:31,500 --> 01:47:33,800
episode if we would have bought 
because it's probably something 

2275
01:47:33,800 --> 01:47:36,100
he learned from his father, or 
maybe wishes he had learned from

2276
01:47:36,100 --> 01:47:38,100
his father. 
So it's really important for him

2277
01:47:38,100 --> 01:47:43,500
to pass it on because he saw how
not having that lesson affected 

2278
01:47:43,500 --> 01:47:44,600
him. 
So he wants to make sure his 

2279
01:47:44,600 --> 01:47:47,400
descendant to do have that. 
That which is a big thing in 

2280
01:47:47,400 --> 01:47:50,400
parenting, right? 
People very often do the same 

2281
01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:53,200
things, their parents did and 
the some of those same people do

2282
01:47:53,200 --> 01:47:55,800
the opposite things, their 
parents did because they saw the

2283
01:47:55,800 --> 01:47:59,000
impact of it and sometimes that 
pendulum swings too far, but 

2284
01:47:59,000 --> 01:48:00,000
your parents that were too 
loose. 

2285
01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:02,600
So, you're over disciplinarian 
and then sometimes he's like 

2286
01:48:02,600 --> 01:48:03,700
your to, they were dude is 
wearing. 

2287
01:48:03,700 --> 01:48:06,200
So I'm gonna be to Leah. 
Sometimes it settles in nicely 

2288
01:48:06,200 --> 01:48:08,800
in the middle, you know, it's 
human nature. 

2289
01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:13,000
It's not tonight and we can pin 
down Worth noting that sometimes

2290
01:48:13,000 --> 01:48:15,200
it's not as simple as too loose 
or too tight, right? 

2291
01:48:15,200 --> 01:48:19,000
Sometimes it could be, there's 
your too loose on, you know, 

2292
01:48:19,100 --> 01:48:22,300
school work or too tight on, you
know, girlfriends. 

2293
01:48:22,300 --> 01:48:25,000
And you also might treat your 
son different from your daughter

2294
01:48:25,000 --> 01:48:27,500
and oldest and youngest get 
treated differently. 

2295
01:48:27,500 --> 01:48:30,500
There's all these variations to 
how you're affected by the 

2296
01:48:30,500 --> 01:48:32,400
nurturer of your own upbringing 
well. 

2297
01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:36,900
So, it plays out for yourself. 
Good said, maybe one more time. 

2298
01:48:36,900 --> 01:48:39,300
I'll say this, we won't be 
getting more memories from that.

2299
01:48:39,300 --> 01:48:41,800
We may get more things. 
You've said, Said that, I think 

2300
01:48:41,800 --> 01:48:44,500
we will definitely get, but we 
won't get any more personal 

2301
01:48:44,500 --> 01:48:47,300
memories from him. 
Obviously, he has lots of 

2302
01:48:47,300 --> 01:48:50,500
memories of what he learned from
Jon, but none from his father, 

2303
01:48:50,600 --> 01:48:53,600
but his pretty interesting but 
you know, of course, again like 

2304
01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:57,900
I said, the nature-nurture stuff
dad was raised when he was older

2305
01:48:57,900 --> 01:49:01,100
in that in the era. 
When John was the primary 

2306
01:49:01,100 --> 01:49:04,400
influence, one more piece of 
evidence for John being the 

2307
01:49:04,400 --> 01:49:07,200
battlefield. 
Commander teacher guy that had a

2308
01:49:07,200 --> 01:49:10,500
bigger impact. 
Is there is a memory of one 

2309
01:49:10,500 --> 01:49:12,200
memory. 
Annette has of John is when 

2310
01:49:12,200 --> 01:49:15,800
Robert yells stop this madness 
in the name of your king to get 

2311
01:49:15,900 --> 01:49:17,900
Gregor in sand or to stop 
biting. 

2312
01:49:18,200 --> 01:49:21,400
Ned has a flashback of John 
teaching them the importance of 

2313
01:49:21,400 --> 01:49:24,000
Battlefield voice and he's like 
whoa Robert really put that on 

2314
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:28,000
display there with his roaring 
booming voice that really worked

2315
01:49:28,500 --> 01:49:31,100
but just as all those little 
moments where he thinks of Jon 

2316
01:49:31,100 --> 01:49:33,100
Arryn, it's like the two 
sentences. 

2317
01:49:33,700 --> 01:49:36,400
Yeah, it's Rich. 
Y'all very very rich. 

2318
01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:39,900
And Nina says that may have come
from personal Battlefield 

2319
01:49:39,900 --> 01:49:41,500
experience. 
Like, John may have had the 

2320
01:49:41,500 --> 01:49:44,500
yellow really loudly at the 
pickup rising or fourth Block 

2321
01:49:44,500 --> 01:49:46,500
Party. 
May remember like I've been a 

2322
01:49:46,508 --> 01:49:48,000
little louder. 
This guy's life may have been 

2323
01:49:48,000 --> 01:49:51,200
saved and Sky, just practice 
yelling like that is a skill. 

2324
01:49:51,200 --> 01:49:53,300
You can get louder by practicing
your voice. 

2325
01:49:53,300 --> 01:49:56,600
Like you can be louder person by
practicing and they can. 

2326
01:49:56,600 --> 01:49:59,500
It's absolutely a skilled is 
cultivated in the Army to you. 

2327
01:50:00,500 --> 01:50:03,700
It's a big part of army culture 
to sing. 

2328
01:50:03,700 --> 01:50:06,500
Cadence like when you're 
marching or running to sing. 

2329
01:50:06,600 --> 01:50:08,200
Songs. 
And usually there's one person 

2330
01:50:08,200 --> 01:50:11,100
in command who, like, it's like 
a call response kind of thing. 

2331
01:50:11,300 --> 01:50:12,800
And it's part of your 
responsibility. 

2332
01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:15,800
Typically, when you get promoted
to Sergeant to start running PT,

2333
01:50:15,800 --> 01:50:18,800
or March of people around, you 
have to enunciate yet to 

2334
01:50:18,800 --> 01:50:23,900
vocalize and not only is it a 
certain level of like leadership

2335
01:50:23,900 --> 01:50:27,100
and confidence but also the 
actual ability to get your voice

2336
01:50:27,100 --> 01:50:29,500
to be loud enough to project for
a whole group of people to hear 

2337
01:50:29,500 --> 01:50:31,700
you even when they're running 
and breathing in a noises all 

2338
01:50:31,700 --> 01:50:34,600
around everything else, it is 
definitely a skill of Soul burn.

2339
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:35,500
Nice. 
Yeah. 

2340
01:50:35,500 --> 01:50:39,000
You know I text A sense and it 
is hard to yell and be loud when

2341
01:50:39,000 --> 01:50:41,200
you're running, I mean, you're 
out of breath. 

2342
01:50:41,200 --> 01:50:44,000
Like, so no wonder would make 
you stronger at that and and 

2343
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:46,900
people that work on their voice,
like your, your muscles, and 

2344
01:50:46,900 --> 01:50:49,600
your chest developed from that. 
Like, Robert would have had a 

2345
01:50:49,608 --> 01:50:52,600
natural boost there because you 
had a naturally big chest, like 

2346
01:50:52,600 --> 01:50:54,900
that's a real thing. 
Got your voice can emanate from 

2347
01:50:55,500 --> 01:50:58,300
three different main places is 
how you're taught like, him 

2348
01:50:58,300 --> 01:51:00,400
singing. 
If you take the bocal classes or

2349
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:04,100
whatever, it is not to be 
underestimated as an importance.

2350
01:51:04,500 --> 01:51:08,200
So fast forward, all this on. 
And friendship and second dad 

2351
01:51:08,200 --> 01:51:11,600
status. 
Presumably, why Jon Snow is 

2352
01:51:11,600 --> 01:51:14,900
named John, right? 
And of course he named his own 

2353
01:51:14,900 --> 01:51:18,900
firstborn Rob. 
Was to bees for Rob Baratheon, 

2354
01:51:18,900 --> 01:51:23,600
right? 
Robbie no child named Rick card.

2355
01:51:23,700 --> 01:51:28,700
I can't help but notice there's 
a trick on which is closed, but 

2356
01:51:28,700 --> 01:51:31,800
it was his third son, after John
to. 

2357
01:51:31,800 --> 01:51:36,500
So you'd already gone there's 
already a Brandon and a John and

2358
01:51:36,600 --> 01:51:39,600
And a Rob. 
But no regard until Rickman. 

2359
01:51:39,600 --> 01:51:40,900
Yeah, so it's kind of kind of 
interesting. 

2360
01:51:40,900 --> 01:51:44,800
Maybe that's the order. 
He he ranks them that does. 

2361
01:51:47,000 --> 01:51:49,900
I wonder why he didn't name 
either his daughters Liana when 

2362
01:51:49,900 --> 01:51:53,300
it was just too painful Aria is 
was his mother's name or his 

2363
01:51:53,300 --> 01:51:55,400
grandmother's names? 
That's a little more kind of 

2364
01:51:55,407 --> 01:51:59,400
easier to figure there but and 
Santa it wasn't the first Stark 

2365
01:51:59,400 --> 01:52:03,200
named Santa either. 
So that's a pretty important 

2366
01:52:03,200 --> 01:52:04,500
thing. 
So, while net is super loyal to 

2367
01:52:04,500 --> 01:52:07,500
Robert, I wouldn't say Robert 
rubbed off of him and on him in 

2368
01:52:07,500 --> 01:52:10,200
terms of dead growing up to be 
like him. 

2369
01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:12,100
All right? 
Really has that tray to by the 

2370
01:52:12,108 --> 01:52:14,100
way, Aria is the one that she 
can be around influential 

2371
01:52:14,100 --> 01:52:16,400
people, but it doesn't really 
change how she believes like her

2372
01:52:16,400 --> 01:52:18,200
core values. 
Don't really change. 

2373
01:52:18,200 --> 01:52:21,500
She's very set in her ways and 
it's hard to move her off of 

2374
01:52:21,500 --> 01:52:22,600
that. 
And I think that is kind of 

2375
01:52:22,600 --> 01:52:24,600
similar. 
Maybe some of the other starch 

2376
01:52:24,600 --> 01:52:26,400
are quite as rooted that way, I 
think. 

2377
01:52:26,400 --> 01:52:29,600
Ari is probably the most 
stubborn like that, like, Aria 

2378
01:52:30,200 --> 01:52:31,700
when she was To be learned 
taught. 

2379
01:52:31,700 --> 01:52:34,600
She picks things up quickly like
look how fast she picked up. 

2380
01:52:34,900 --> 01:52:37,300
Everything Serio said, like she 
was all about that, but 

2381
01:52:37,300 --> 01:52:38,800
something more Dane had to tell 
her things. 

2382
01:52:38,800 --> 01:52:41,900
Three, four, five times before 
words and can cause she's like, 

2383
01:52:41,900 --> 01:52:43,900
I don't care about this stuff. 
I'm not investing. 

2384
01:52:44,600 --> 01:52:47,400
You're going to make me do it 
but even making me do, it isn't 

2385
01:52:47,400 --> 01:52:50,500
going to get my me like truly 
focused and interested. 

2386
01:52:51,000 --> 01:52:55,200
Ned seems to have picked up Jon 
arryn's lessons the way. 

2387
01:52:55,200 --> 01:52:57,200
Are you picks up cereals? 
Like that kind of thing, like he

2388
01:52:57,200 --> 01:53:02,600
just was like, this guy is I'm 
listening, like he's He is my 

2389
01:53:02,600 --> 01:53:07,300
father figure and I am bought in
the year. 278 dad would have 

2390
01:53:07,300 --> 01:53:13,000
been 15 Robert and Brandon both 
turns 16 Robert starts to go 

2391
01:53:13,000 --> 01:53:14,800
back and forth between the Erie 
and storms end. 

2392
01:53:14,800 --> 01:53:18,000
Like Ned will start to do the 
next year and sadly in one of 

2393
01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:21,300
those first visits back home. 
Maybe the first one we're not 

2394
01:53:21,300 --> 01:53:25,000
sure that's when Robert and 
Stannis see their parents ship 

2395
01:53:25,000 --> 01:53:28,800
break up in shipbreaker Bay on 
their way back from trying to 

2396
01:53:28,800 --> 01:53:32,200
find A bride for rhaegar. 
And this is, of course, when 

2397
01:53:32,200 --> 01:53:35,900
patch face was quote-unquote, 
born born again in the sea and 

2398
01:53:35,900 --> 01:53:38,500
he lives in the ironborn manner 
shall we say? 

2399
01:53:39,100 --> 01:53:40,700
But he would have returned to 
the area. 

2400
01:53:40,700 --> 01:53:42,400
Some point, as I said earlier in
the episode, this is when they 

2401
01:53:42,400 --> 01:53:44,700
would have grieved together and 
had all that. 

2402
01:53:45,300 --> 01:53:48,400
And at some point Ned's mother 
would have died probably before 

2403
01:53:48,400 --> 01:53:50,900
this. 
And that would have been if he 

2404
01:53:50,900 --> 01:53:52,300
was in the veil. 
That would have been another 

2405
01:53:52,300 --> 01:53:53,400
time where they have grieved 
together. 

2406
01:53:55,200 --> 01:53:58,500
So, the following years when Ned
would be considered a man grown 

2407
01:53:58,500 --> 01:54:02,500
by West, Rossi standards, and he
would have gone back and forth 

2408
01:54:02,500 --> 01:54:05,900
and this is when Maya Stone was 
born me, a stone was born. 

2409
01:54:05,900 --> 01:54:08,800
So, obviously, this is why I 
said at some point, Robert 

2410
01:54:08,800 --> 01:54:12,100
started to have the qualities 
that we identify with him the 

2411
01:54:12,100 --> 01:54:15,800
negative qualities Ned's kind of
hushed about this. 

2412
01:54:15,800 --> 01:54:17,400
He doesn't. 
He's like, yeah, I knew who that

2413
01:54:17,400 --> 01:54:22,800
girl was but somehow word of 
Roberts proclivity. 

2414
01:54:22,800 --> 01:54:26,400
The gets back to Liana because 
when Ned Ed comes back with that

2415
01:54:26,400 --> 01:54:30,400
offer, from whoever, whatever 
the origin of the offer was, 

2416
01:54:30,400 --> 01:54:33,400
which we discussed earlier lady,
Dustin blames it on maze for 

2417
01:54:33,400 --> 01:54:36,200
Wally's but that's probably not 
the case, whatever the origin of

2418
01:54:36,200 --> 01:54:40,200
the Aurora offer was it was the 
honor to Robert Ned delivers the

2419
01:54:40,200 --> 01:54:43,200
document or the letter to 
Ricard. 

2420
01:54:43,600 --> 01:54:47,200
Ricard may have already known it
was coming but either way be 

2421
01:54:47,200 --> 01:54:48,600
honest like I don't want to 
marry me. 

2422
01:54:49,000 --> 01:54:51,100
She's heard about she's hurt 
her. 

2423
01:54:51,300 --> 01:54:54,600
His personality, she's heard 
about Maya Stone, she knows of 

2424
01:54:54,600 --> 01:54:56,400
this. 
Bastard child already. 

2425
01:54:56,400 --> 01:55:00,600
How Ned didn't tell her as far 
as we know because it sounds 

2426
01:55:00,600 --> 01:55:03,500
like he was like, a where he 
says he was aware of this girl, 

2427
01:55:04,100 --> 01:55:06,600
but there's no indication that 
he's the reason that Liana knows

2428
01:55:06,600 --> 01:55:09,100
about. 
I wondered about this to and 

2429
01:55:09,800 --> 01:55:13,500
Nina's suspicion is I wonder if 
Liana tried to intervene, 

2430
01:55:13,500 --> 01:55:16,100
interviewer, investigate 
servants, who came with Ned. 

2431
01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:19,300
Some people that were there like
Squires and other serving me 

2432
01:55:19,300 --> 01:55:21,200
like, Ned wouldn't talk about 
it, but there would be people 

2433
01:55:21,200 --> 01:55:24,400
who know that she could get the 
information out of being a Lords

2434
01:55:24,400 --> 01:55:25,600
daughter. 
They I wouldn't be able to say 

2435
01:55:25,600 --> 01:55:29,200
no to her as easily liana's kind
of sounds like she's a pretty 

2436
01:55:29,200 --> 01:55:31,500
dominant personality so she 
could get the truth. 

2437
01:55:31,500 --> 01:55:34,700
If she asks in the people you 
can sometimes you can learn as 

2438
01:55:34,700 --> 01:55:37,100
much by what people don't tell 
you is what they do is their 

2439
01:55:37,100 --> 01:55:38,900
reaction. 
I like the fact that she's 

2440
01:55:38,900 --> 01:55:41,100
trying to ask Ned and he doesn't
want to talk about it. 

2441
01:55:41,100 --> 01:55:42,800
That tells her something, right?
You're right. 

2442
01:55:42,800 --> 01:55:45,500
The variable is like, just like 
when Elena and Marjorie are 

2443
01:55:45,500 --> 01:55:47,100
questioning sounds about 
Joffrey. 

2444
01:55:47,100 --> 01:55:49,800
I just Chancellor when I say it 
up front but that they know what

2445
01:55:49,800 --> 01:55:50,800
that means. 
Yeah. 

2446
01:55:51,100 --> 01:55:53,800
Like oh you're yeah. 
Okay, you answered our question.

2447
01:55:53,800 --> 01:55:54,800
Thank you. 
Without ya. 

2448
01:55:55,000 --> 01:55:57,800
Yeah, you're totally right. 
Maya, Stone, Nia's, Tina rights.

2449
01:55:57,800 --> 01:55:59,900
Also represents a key 
distinction between Ed and John 

2450
01:55:59,900 --> 01:56:01,900
are in the approach. 
The Highborn bastards for Jon 

2451
01:56:01,900 --> 01:56:04,400
Arryn presented with the bastard
fathered by his father's his 

2452
01:56:04,400 --> 01:56:06,900
foster son, the answer was to 
install and raise my as a 

2453
01:56:06,907 --> 01:56:09,600
servant at the gates, the moon, 
he gave her a job. 

2454
01:56:10,800 --> 01:56:13,700
If Maya's Highborn lineage was 
not exactly a well-kept secret. 

2455
01:56:14,800 --> 01:56:17,200
Well, her fate was still to be 
raised not as true. 

2456
01:56:17,200 --> 01:56:20,400
Born daughter of her lordly and 
future, Royal father in his own 

2457
01:56:20,400 --> 01:56:21,900
home. 
But as a lowborn servant far 

2458
01:56:21,900 --> 01:56:24,600
from storms entered by the court
by contrast. 

2459
01:56:24,600 --> 01:56:27,100
Net only brought John and his 
own home, but he raised John as 

2460
01:56:27,100 --> 01:56:29,800
a stark and all but name. 
So, yeah, that is a little bit 

2461
01:56:30,500 --> 01:56:32,200
of a difference. 
So, that's a good example of 

2462
01:56:32,200 --> 01:56:35,300
John said, not just doing things
the way John would because he 

2463
01:56:35,600 --> 01:56:37,900
was loyal to him, or because 
he's upbringing was the way it 

2464
01:56:37,900 --> 01:56:40,800
was that learned a lot from 
John, but net is still his own 

2465
01:56:40,800 --> 01:56:42,900
person that made his own 
decisions and had his own value.

2466
01:56:42,900 --> 01:56:45,500
Some of which may be came from 
I'm from his father even though 

2467
01:56:45,500 --> 01:56:48,600
he wasn't around his father as 
much as he was around John, so 

2468
01:56:48,600 --> 01:56:50,300
that's important. 
So checking that distinction 

2469
01:56:50,600 --> 01:56:52,200
fast for another couple of 
years. 

2470
01:56:52,200 --> 01:56:54,200
Here to year, two more years to 
the tourney at harrenhal. 

2471
01:56:55,100 --> 01:56:57,500
Be, of course, the event, as we 
often say, whenever we refer to 

2472
01:56:57,500 --> 01:57:00,000
the tourney at harrenhal, it's 
one day an episode of its own 

2473
01:57:00,300 --> 01:57:05,000
but it was one of if not the 
last major event before the war.

2474
01:57:05,400 --> 01:57:08,400
So it always comes up, it's 
super important, he was 18, we 

2475
01:57:08,400 --> 01:57:11,200
know he came from the area to 
the tournament harrenhal not 

2476
01:57:11,200 --> 01:57:12,700
from Winterfell, that's 
important. 

2477
01:57:12,700 --> 01:57:13,900
So he would have come with 
people. 

2478
01:57:14,100 --> 01:57:17,500
Where he hadn't seen Liana and 
benjin and at least a month, 

2479
01:57:17,500 --> 01:57:20,700
probably several months, but 
they were there and so is 

2480
01:57:20,700 --> 01:57:23,400
Brandon and Robert. 
It's not clear. 

2481
01:57:23,400 --> 01:57:26,100
Whether Robert also traveled 
from the area at the time. 

2482
01:57:26,100 --> 01:57:28,400
He may have come from storms end
since he was going back and 

2483
01:57:28,400 --> 01:57:30,500
forth. 
Well but I imagine dead and 

2484
01:57:30,500 --> 01:57:33,300
Robert coordinated. 
Their time at storms ends are at

2485
01:57:33,300 --> 01:57:35,200
the veil somewhat. 
So they were they would back and

2486
01:57:35,200 --> 01:57:38,000
forth to Winterfell and storms 
in respectively they were at 

2487
01:57:38,000 --> 01:57:40,300
least overlapping someone so 
they could see each other. 

2488
01:57:41,300 --> 01:57:43,800
This was also the first time 
that ever met Howland Reed, her 

2489
01:57:44,000 --> 01:57:45,200
And harrenhal that's pretty 
important. 

2490
01:57:45,200 --> 01:57:48,700
So that's more of an adult 
education thing. 

2491
01:57:48,700 --> 01:57:52,300
But pretty relevant here that it
happened which of course because

2492
01:57:52,300 --> 01:57:55,000
it's also the first time Liana 
meet Alan Rita. 

2493
01:57:55,800 --> 01:57:59,000
That also comes up very big 
given what Liana does for him 

2494
01:57:59,800 --> 01:58:02,600
Ned personally recalls seeing 
rhaegar give the crown to Liana 

2495
01:58:02,600 --> 01:58:05,400
as we alluded to earlier. 
Robert was jesting with Lord 

2496
01:58:05,400 --> 01:58:09,400
Hunter and Jon Arryn. 
When this moment occurred he 

2497
01:58:09,400 --> 01:58:13,800
says all the smiles died but 
doesn't actually refer to his 

2498
01:58:14,100 --> 01:58:18,600
Reaction at the time though. 
Yandell says Ned was calmer but 

2499
01:58:18,600 --> 01:58:21,000
no more pleased than Brandon. 
So it's interesting that we get 

2500
01:58:21,000 --> 01:58:23,700
to take on Ned from the world of
Ice and Fire. 

2501
01:58:23,700 --> 01:58:25,500
The world of Ice and Fire is 
going to have much to say about 

2502
01:58:25,500 --> 01:58:28,500
Ned because he's a second son 
and well it does but only in 

2503
01:58:28,500 --> 01:58:31,400
terms of the war as a battle 
commander doesn't have much to 

2504
01:58:31,400 --> 01:58:34,400
say about his early life because
well, it's not as historically 

2505
01:58:34,400 --> 01:58:37,300
relevant. 
Also, the first time meeting a 

2506
01:58:37,300 --> 01:58:40,700
Shara deign to presumably big 
moment for Ned. 

2507
01:58:40,700 --> 01:58:43,900
Maybe his first dance with the 
girl, as we said before that. 

2508
01:58:44,000 --> 01:58:46,100
To be a milestone moment. 
He may have danced with someone 

2509
01:58:46,100 --> 01:58:50,000
before and he may have even made
him nervous, but I doubt it was 

2510
01:58:50,000 --> 01:58:51,600
like this. 
At all someone that he actually 

2511
01:58:51,600 --> 01:58:54,700
liked that, he was into that. 
He had a crush on, if not 

2512
01:58:54,700 --> 01:58:58,900
something, if not a stronger 
term her teenage falling in 

2513
01:58:58,900 --> 01:59:01,500
love. 
He may have faced his first 

2514
01:59:01,500 --> 01:59:04,500
battle more bravely, then he 
faced the shirt and you know 

2515
01:59:04,800 --> 01:59:07,300
some people are like that some 
people do me like that. 

2516
01:59:07,600 --> 01:59:10,700
I wonder about that like his 
stammering and stuttering, use 

2517
01:59:10,700 --> 01:59:17,500
your Battlefield voice Ned. 
I want to dance with you. 

2518
01:59:17,700 --> 01:59:21,600
Maybe not that metal Fieldy of a
voice said somewhere in between 

2519
01:59:21,900 --> 01:59:25,200
somewhere between stuttering, 
looking at your feet and yelling

2520
01:59:25,200 --> 01:59:31,500
like Robert. 
The Mad King enters The Fray 

2521
01:59:31,500 --> 01:59:34,600
here, not only being at the 
tournament of harrenhal, which 

2522
01:59:34,600 --> 01:59:37,900
maybe that was Ned's, first 
experience seeing Aries, which 

2523
01:59:37,900 --> 01:59:40,600
would be like, a lot of people 
be like, dikes. 

2524
01:59:41,000 --> 01:59:43,500
That dude with his three foot 
long. 

2525
01:59:43,500 --> 01:59:48,700
Fingernails and is crazy tangled
hair and is like a shrunken face

2526
01:59:48,700 --> 01:59:51,000
and because he doesn't eat very 
much and like, thanks, that's 

2527
01:59:51,000 --> 01:59:54,200
the king. 
Yeah, setting up even more. 

2528
01:59:54,200 --> 01:59:56,900
It was pretty easy for dead to 
take sides in this war given, 

2529
01:59:56,900 --> 01:59:59,400
but that would help. 
And even more. 

2530
02:00:00,700 --> 02:00:04,000
So Liana vanishes with rhaegar 
around like two of the two weeks

2531
02:00:04,000 --> 02:00:06,900
after the tournament of 
harrenhal basically, and or 

2532
02:00:06,900 --> 02:00:09,200
something like that, and Aries 
roast trick art and strangled 

2533
02:00:09,200 --> 02:00:12,600
print, you guys know that part. 
But as we mentioned earlier, he 

2534
02:00:12,600 --> 02:00:14,900
kills Albert. 
Aaron Kyle, Royce, several 

2535
02:00:14,900 --> 02:00:17,700
others as well, including some 
noisy burn them all. 

2536
02:00:17,700 --> 02:00:20,300
So no just regular have a 
regular execution. 

2537
02:00:20,500 --> 02:00:23,800
As far as we know this chop 
their heads off beheading. 

2538
02:00:23,800 --> 02:00:24,600
Yeah. 
I think so. 

2539
02:00:24,600 --> 02:00:26,300
Maybe they were hanged but I 
think it was just bad. 

2540
02:00:26,300 --> 02:00:29,100
Its yeah. 
And Ned likely heard they were 

2541
02:00:29,100 --> 02:00:30,100
going. 
It was like he probably got a 

2542
02:00:30,108 --> 02:00:33,000
letter like Hey we're heading to
the King's Landing business 

2543
02:00:33,400 --> 02:00:36,300
settle this Rickard. 
Probably did Brandon rushed off 

2544
02:00:36,300 --> 02:00:40,200
but and got caught but record 
after he was summoned, probably 

2545
02:00:40,200 --> 02:00:43,500
the realm knew about this wasn't
like I'm gonna sneak out in the 

2546
02:00:43,508 --> 02:00:46,000
night head down to King's 
Landing and settle this know, I 

2547
02:00:46,000 --> 02:00:50,100
was widely known, most likely 
and as I alluded to like more 

2548
02:00:50,100 --> 02:00:55,600
than an hour ago, what monster 
of a reaction, it would have 

2549
02:00:55,600 --> 02:00:57,500
been at the veil and they got 
the letter. 

2550
02:00:57,800 --> 02:01:01,800
But if it happens that Ned's 
father was killed Ned's, brother

2551
02:01:01,800 --> 02:01:04,300
was killed. 
Jon arryn's are was killed. 

2552
02:01:04,300 --> 02:01:07,300
All these other people were 
killed and now he's demanding 

2553
02:01:07,300 --> 02:01:09,500
more heads. 
He's like in, send me Robert and

2554
02:01:09,500 --> 02:01:11,200
Ned as well. 
Plus some other people, 

2555
02:01:11,600 --> 02:01:13,800
apparently, they weren't the 
only to being named. 

2556
02:01:14,100 --> 02:01:16,100
What did they say? 
Ned's the quiet Wing. 

2557
02:01:16,100 --> 02:01:17,900
So it's Robert and it would have
been surreal. 

2558
02:01:17,900 --> 02:01:19,800
It would have been literally 
hard for them to believe it was 

2559
02:01:19,800 --> 02:01:21,400
even true. 
First, you know, I bet there 

2560
02:01:21,400 --> 02:01:23,400
would have been some amount of 
attacking the messenger, you 

2561
02:01:23,400 --> 02:01:24,200
know? 
Good point. 

2562
02:01:24,200 --> 02:01:26,000
Yeah, how we need to verify? 
This is true. 

2563
02:01:26,000 --> 02:01:27,500
We need to like, yeah, which is 
exactly. 

2564
02:01:27,600 --> 02:01:30,600
What Ned said to Catlett about 
license message. 

2565
02:01:31,000 --> 02:01:33,500
Like I said, she's crazy. 
Like we can't believe this week.

2566
02:01:33,500 --> 02:01:36,300
No, this is the way she sent the
message. 

2567
02:01:36,300 --> 02:01:37,800
It's very cunning and very 
subtle. 

2568
02:01:37,800 --> 02:01:39,700
She wouldn't do this if he 
wasn't. 

2569
02:01:39,700 --> 02:01:42,700
Sure. 
Yeah, well, okay, they forgot 

2570
02:01:42,700 --> 02:01:46,200
about the, oh, maybe she's lying
part, but I forgive cat for not 

2571
02:01:46,200 --> 02:01:49,500
BEC, suspecting her sister of 
lying, but and that's irrelevant

2572
02:01:49,500 --> 02:01:51,700
to this point anyway. 
So yeah, like, it, you're right,

2573
02:01:51,700 --> 02:01:52,800
I think you're right, it would 
been surreal. 

2574
02:01:52,800 --> 02:01:55,300
There would have been maybe 
people questioning the veracity 

2575
02:01:55,300 --> 02:01:57,500
of it, once they got over the 
hump of believing. 

2576
02:01:57,700 --> 02:02:00,800
Though the deaths of so many 
important people and the what 

2577
02:02:00,800 --> 02:02:02,800
are we going to do? 
We can't just bend to this. 

2578
02:02:02,800 --> 02:02:04,800
We can't just hand them off for 
execution. 

2579
02:02:05,600 --> 02:02:06,900
Yeah. 
We raise the banners, you know, 

2580
02:02:06,900 --> 02:02:08,000
you say. 
All right, we got it. 

2581
02:02:08,008 --> 02:02:10,200
We got to do for Robert, 
probably as loud as he was. 

2582
02:02:10,200 --> 02:02:13,600
He imagined, he was as loud as 
anyone, if not the loudest. 

2583
02:02:13,600 --> 02:02:18,000
And I imagine John as mitigating
a voice as he was probably would

2584
02:02:18,008 --> 02:02:21,600
have been with Robert or lead. 
It like Robert wouldn't have 

2585
02:02:21,600 --> 02:02:23,500
been following his lead even 
because his own are was just 

2586
02:02:23,500 --> 02:02:26,600
killed. 
Robert was a lit. 

2587
02:02:26,600 --> 02:02:28,200
Had a little less personal 
personal stake in. 

2588
02:02:28,200 --> 02:02:32,000
It was a Baratheon, wasn't 
murdered and that moment to 

2589
02:02:32,000 --> 02:02:36,500
Starks and an errand were and 
some others, right? 

2590
02:02:36,500 --> 02:02:41,600
So yeah, they said no, no dead 
kids for you are he's there 

2591
02:02:41,600 --> 02:02:44,000
inside been staunch for the 
targaryens for many generations 

2592
02:02:44,000 --> 02:02:46,300
recall all the Targaryen Aaron 
marriages. 

2593
02:02:46,300 --> 02:02:50,900
We've seen lots of been over 
that plenty of times but this 

2594
02:02:50,900 --> 02:02:55,500
was far too personal for that 
old loyalty to matter and Aries 

2595
02:02:55,500 --> 02:02:59,600
was clearly in the wrong you've 
been Even from a king, this is a

2596
02:02:59,608 --> 02:03:02,200
No-No. 
And of course this may have had 

2597
02:03:02,200 --> 02:03:05,300
a huge impact on net other 
besides saving his life. 

2598
02:03:05,300 --> 02:03:08,900
Obviously, John also. 
So John refusing to give up 

2599
02:03:08,900 --> 02:03:11,800
children to the targaryens Ned. 
This is one of the things he's 

2600
02:03:11,800 --> 02:03:14,900
most staunch on later this 
principle of well. 

2601
02:03:14,900 --> 02:03:20,200
Here's the quote, Robert I ask 
you what do we Rise Against 

2602
02:03:20,200 --> 02:03:22,800
aerys? 
Targaryen for, if not to put an 

2603
02:03:22,800 --> 02:03:26,600
end to the murder of children, 
this is the reversal of Ice and 

2604
02:03:26,600 --> 02:03:28,800
Fire again. 
Roberts answer is to put an end 

2605
02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:32,900
to targaryens, you know, it's 
like but but why, right? 

2606
02:03:32,900 --> 02:03:36,100
That's, it's not just because 
it's not just because, you know,

2607
02:03:36,100 --> 02:03:39,600
you have you put, you put an end
to targaryens because this one 

2608
02:03:39,600 --> 02:03:43,700
was killing children and adults.
But but especially to the 

2609
02:03:43,700 --> 02:03:45,300
children is when there was had 
gone too far. 

2610
02:03:46,100 --> 02:03:48,700
However much Robert even 
recognizes about himself. 

2611
02:03:48,700 --> 02:03:51,100
He has a new motivation now 
which is to maintain his 

2612
02:03:51,100 --> 02:03:54,200
authority is King, right? 
There's just this other claim to

2613
02:03:54,200 --> 02:03:56,400
the throne. 
It's out there and however much 

2614
02:03:56,400 --> 02:03:58,400
he realizes or cares. 
Not that there's plenty of 

2615
02:03:58,407 --> 02:04:00,200
people whispering in his ear. 
Yeah. 

2616
02:04:00,300 --> 02:04:02,200
But but to Ned that's not a 
factor. 

2617
02:04:02,200 --> 02:04:04,200
You don't kill the kids. 
That's not a reason, you know. 

2618
02:04:04,700 --> 02:04:05,900
Oh yeah, he's like that, you 
can't. 

2619
02:04:05,900 --> 02:04:07,600
Yeah, we killed. 
He says that earliest. 

2620
02:04:07,600 --> 02:04:09,700
We kill children, we call adults
for the wrongs. 

2621
02:04:09,700 --> 02:04:11,600
They do not children for the 
wrong thing, they do later 

2622
02:04:11,800 --> 02:04:14,000
because this is all wrapped up 
in that argument about Dan 

2623
02:04:14,200 --> 02:04:18,900
sending murderer, sending us, a 
seems to get Danny and he says 

2624
02:04:18,900 --> 02:04:23,400
it would be vile unspeakable. 
Ned does and and Robert Roars at

2625
02:04:23,400 --> 02:04:26,800
him like what rhaegar did to 
your sister was violent 

2626
02:04:26,800 --> 02:04:30,300
unspeakable. 
Oh, and you kind of Wonder are 

2627
02:04:30,300 --> 02:04:34,800
they replaying the same sort of 
things that were yelled when 

2628
02:04:34,800 --> 02:04:39,800
they got that news about are? 
He's killing Brandon and like? 

2629
02:04:39,800 --> 02:04:41,800
No, that's bile, that's 
unspeakable like that. 

2630
02:04:41,800 --> 02:04:44,600
This is the same roaring they 
did then except they were on the

2631
02:04:44,600 --> 02:04:46,700
same team. 
Then they were roaring about, 

2632
02:04:46,700 --> 02:04:49,900
they were both agreeing on what 
needed to be done about this 

2633
02:04:49,900 --> 02:04:52,600
Injustice. 
But here they're split and Ned's

2634
02:04:52,600 --> 02:04:55,500
the one holding those old values
where Robert has changed. 

2635
02:04:55,500 --> 02:04:57,500
And that's why I know that's 
something thoughts about this. 

2636
02:04:57,600 --> 02:05:01,100
Man, I used to love not this 
guy, even though they might have

2637
02:05:01,300 --> 02:05:04,000
agreed back then about what 
needed to be done. 

2638
02:05:04,600 --> 02:05:07,900
That the thing they would have 
been are agreeing on was choking

2639
02:05:07,900 --> 02:05:11,100
Aires. 
Yes, they stated dead. 

2640
02:05:11,100 --> 02:05:13,000
At least did not want to kill 
those kids. 

2641
02:05:13,000 --> 02:05:16,700
I don't know if Robert would 
have or not, he but thankfully, 

2642
02:05:16,700 --> 02:05:19,100
you got guests. 
I don't think sleeve from with 

2643
02:05:19,100 --> 02:05:22,200
some perspective about time, we 
took care of it or Gregor took 

2644
02:05:22,200 --> 02:05:24,000
care of it or whatever. 
But I don't know, I don't know 

2645
02:05:24,000 --> 02:05:26,400
if Robert would have done it. 
Like, if Tywin and or Gregor 

2646
02:05:26,400 --> 02:05:28,900
hadn't done, it would have been 
Murdered those kids. 

2647
02:05:29,100 --> 02:05:32,100
And if you did, wouldn't it have
been admitted for given that 

2648
02:05:32,500 --> 02:05:34,300
that's a tough one. 
You're right. 

2649
02:05:34,300 --> 02:05:35,800
I mean they do have. 
Net does have that thought it 

2650
02:05:35,808 --> 02:05:39,100
was like yeah I mean that kind 
of or I don't actually I maybe 

2651
02:05:39,100 --> 02:05:40,700
wasn't Ned the Gaze at stars 
like yeah. 

2652
02:05:40,900 --> 02:05:43,500
Robert wanted to be the hero and
you can't murder children and 

2653
02:05:43,500 --> 02:05:46,000
still be a hero. 
It's like it's a tightrope walk 

2654
02:05:46,000 --> 02:05:47,200
there. 
So yeah, I was kind of Tywin, 

2655
02:05:47,200 --> 02:05:51,200
sort of did, sort of handle that
for him in a way that resolved 

2656
02:05:51,200 --> 02:05:52,900
him. 
What would have been an 

2657
02:05:52,900 --> 02:05:56,900
extremely difficult decision, 
like fostering them or just 

2658
02:05:57,100 --> 02:05:59,200
remove. 
Them from making them join the 

2659
02:05:59,200 --> 02:06:01,600
silent sister. 
Not sound sisters but the wall 

2660
02:06:01,600 --> 02:06:05,800
or something like that. 
And just adding two how crappy. 

2661
02:06:05,800 --> 02:06:08,700
Robert is, why I like Robert so 
little is because now that he 

2662
02:06:08,700 --> 02:06:10,700
has the power, like all right, 
whatever. 

2663
02:06:10,700 --> 02:06:13,200
Let's just do it. 
You know, he's just totally 

2664
02:06:13,200 --> 02:06:15,600
become corrupt and abandon his 
morality and everything. 

2665
02:06:15,600 --> 02:06:18,500
Yeah, what? 
All right? 

2666
02:06:18,500 --> 02:06:21,200
So, since Dad left, such a 
strong impact on his children, 

2667
02:06:21,200 --> 02:06:23,700
along with cat, of course, who 
also left a strong impact on 

2668
02:06:23,700 --> 02:06:26,400
their, their Mutual children and
by understanding him and his own

2669
02:06:26,400 --> 02:06:29,200
in bringing week, Understand 
some of the ways in which he 

2670
02:06:29,200 --> 02:06:31,700
treats his own children and 
abused children as a whole, and 

2671
02:06:31,700 --> 02:06:34,900
a lot of the ways, he behaves as
a person come back to this 

2672
02:06:34,900 --> 02:06:38,000
upbringing, like, which is true 
for every human, it makes this 

2673
02:06:38,000 --> 02:06:39,700
discussion. 
I think maybe a little more 

2674
02:06:39,700 --> 02:06:42,100
weighty than a lot of our 
episodes because it's so 

2675
02:06:42,600 --> 02:06:44,400
relatable in a lot of ways to 
real life. 

2676
02:06:44,400 --> 02:06:46,300
Even we don't have the same 
struggles as Ned. 

2677
02:06:47,400 --> 02:06:50,500
Oral most people in Westeros, 
but we do have family members. 

2678
02:06:50,500 --> 02:06:53,100
We care about and we have family
drama. 

2679
02:06:53,100 --> 02:06:55,700
We have things that split us 
apart. 

2680
02:06:55,700 --> 02:06:59,000
We grow older and change. 
And we look back on our 

2681
02:06:59,000 --> 02:07:01,600
childhood and learn how it's 
impacted us. 

2682
02:07:01,600 --> 02:07:05,200
Long after the fact, and yeah, 
we passed that down onto people 

2683
02:07:05,200 --> 02:07:09,700
who are under our Authority. 
Whether we're parents of them or

2684
02:07:09,700 --> 02:07:14,200
just people that are looked up 
to by younger, folks in some 

2685
02:07:14,400 --> 02:07:17,000
manner, or another like all 
humans Ned's up. 

2686
02:07:17,200 --> 02:07:19,800
In heavily depends. 
And so it's how he acts his 

2687
02:07:19,800 --> 02:07:23,200
distaste of Tywin is Again The 
Stance against the death of 

2688
02:07:23,200 --> 02:07:25,100
children. 
His desire to avoid Southern 

2689
02:07:25,100 --> 02:07:27,400
Politics. 
As we've said, countless times 

2690
02:07:27,400 --> 02:07:30,800
digging into deep into A Song of
Ice and Fire is rewarding all 

2691
02:07:30,800 --> 02:07:32,100
these things continue to make 
sense. 

2692
02:07:32,100 --> 02:07:35,700
If not more sense because you 
could see the connective tissue,

2693
02:07:35,800 --> 02:07:38,700
holding all this stuff together 
and supporting it, setting it 

2694
02:07:38,700 --> 02:07:41,500
up. 
In a way, that feels very human.

2695
02:07:41,900 --> 02:07:45,400
George puts the story first, but
he doesn't sacrifice these 

2696
02:07:45,400 --> 02:07:49,100
elements to make things fit. 
Not only does this further 

2697
02:07:49,100 --> 02:07:51,000
cement our notion that these 
books are extremely 

2698
02:07:51,000 --> 02:07:54,300
well-crafted, but it paves the 
way for further episodes of this

2699
02:07:54,300 --> 02:07:55,700
nature, featuring different 
characters. 

2700
02:07:55,700 --> 02:07:57,300
Now, we've seen this works 
really well. 

2701
02:07:57,600 --> 02:07:59,800
You do it with other characters 
ran. 

2702
02:07:59,900 --> 02:08:02,000
We've been would be a good Next 
Step because he's the one, the 

2703
02:08:02,000 --> 02:08:05,900
most, we see it firsthand with 
more, but Catlin fee on would be

2704
02:08:05,900 --> 02:08:08,500
a really interesting one because
he's Devitt divided into world 

2705
02:08:08,500 --> 02:08:11,400
as one of the ones I threw out. 
Are some of the houses Dragon 

2706
02:08:11,400 --> 02:08:14,200
characters. 
We see their upbringing you know

2707
02:08:14,200 --> 02:08:16,700
both on show and book and 
different ways has a lot of 

2708
02:08:16,700 --> 02:08:19,700
those a meaty subject. 
So I will come back to it at 

2709
02:08:19,700 --> 02:08:23,800
some point but we've got lots of
other topics in the queue as 

2710
02:08:23,800 --> 02:08:27,000
well. 
It's a rich vein of material 

2711
02:08:27,000 --> 02:08:30,500
that we always mine here. 
The mine of topics is a big vast

2712
02:08:30,500 --> 02:08:33,800
endless mine. 
Next week is Baylor breaks beer.

2713
02:08:33,800 --> 02:08:36,100
For example as I said, don't 
forget it won't be live stream. 

2714
02:08:36,100 --> 02:08:40,800
It will be released as a premier
so you can still hang out during

2715
02:08:40,800 --> 02:08:44,500
the Live premiere of it or just 
catch it later on podcast 

2716
02:08:44,500 --> 02:08:49,900
version or on YouTube side. 
A trivia question. 

2717
02:08:50,100 --> 02:08:52,200
Let's have our answer shall we? 
The question was, who's the 

2718
02:08:52,200 --> 02:08:56,200
first person to take a drink of 
anything alcoholic or not? 

2719
02:08:57,400 --> 02:09:02,100
Jon Snow. 
His first chapter is at the 

2720
02:09:02,100 --> 02:09:06,200
banquet, the welcoming banquet 
of her Robert and Cersei in the 

2721
02:09:06,200 --> 02:09:08,500
family when they arrived. 
And he's just sitting back 

2722
02:09:08,500 --> 02:09:11,600
having a sip of wine as this 
like two or three paragraphs and

2723
02:09:11,600 --> 02:09:14,900
do his newest chapter. 
And prior to that, I didn't see 

2724
02:09:14,900 --> 02:09:17,200
anyone else taking a drink. 
So it's possible, I missed 

2725
02:09:17,200 --> 02:09:20,400
something but I don't think so. 
It's like the fifth chapter 

2726
02:09:20,400 --> 02:09:22,300
Catelyn, doesn't take a drink. 
Ned, doesn't take a drink 

2727
02:09:22,300 --> 02:09:23,100
random. 
Take a drink. 

2728
02:09:23,100 --> 02:09:26,600
And no one in the prologue does.
Yeah, I was wondering if it was 

2729
02:09:26,600 --> 02:09:29,400
someone in the prologue. 
That was my my instinct to 

2730
02:09:29,400 --> 02:09:31,100
guess, but I die. 
Couldn't specifically 

2731
02:09:31,100 --> 02:09:32,100
remembered. 
Oh, yeah, like I said, it's 

2732
02:09:32,100 --> 02:09:33,500
possible. 
I missed a one-liner where they 

2733
02:09:33,500 --> 02:09:35,700
paused for a sip but I didn't I 
just didn't see that. 

2734
02:09:35,900 --> 02:09:37,700
Correct me if I'm wrong. 
I next you guys might have been 

2735
02:09:37,700 --> 02:09:40,200
Tyrion or Robert because they're
they're, you know, seem to be 

2736
02:09:40,200 --> 02:09:41,200
the heaviest Drinker. 
Yeah. 

2737
02:09:41,200 --> 02:09:43,800
But because John who doesn't 
have to be their job, you could 

2738
02:09:43,800 --> 02:09:45,200
have seen. 
Yeah, Robert was away. 

2739
02:09:45,200 --> 02:09:47,400
I thought people would guess 
because you also see him pretty 

2740
02:09:47,400 --> 02:09:50,200
early on its first chapter and 
yeah. 

2741
02:09:50,300 --> 02:09:53,100
Yeah. 
Anyway, thanks y'all for coming.

2742
02:09:53,100 --> 02:09:56,800
If you want to stay immersed and
listen to more episodes that 

2743
02:09:56,800 --> 02:09:59,400
relate to this one house, Royce 
episode touches on some of the 

2744
02:09:59,400 --> 02:10:02,200
star connections. 
A lot of other things, The Rains

2745
02:10:02,200 --> 02:10:03,800
of Castamere episode was 
mentioned. 

2746
02:10:04,000 --> 02:10:05,400
As we mentioned, The Rains of 
Castamere early on. 

2747
02:10:05,400 --> 02:10:08,300
In the war of the ninepenny 
Kings, comes up a lot, the life 

2748
02:10:08,300 --> 02:10:10,100
of Joanna Lannister would be 
interesting because it touches 

2749
02:10:10,100 --> 02:10:12,800
on a lot of the same things 
Tywin was doing and it covers 

2750
02:10:12,800 --> 02:10:19,900
some of the same era to 60s and 
to 70s and little before, as 

2751
02:10:19,900 --> 02:10:21,900
well as Valerie does Net 
chapters. 

2752
02:10:21,900 --> 02:10:24,900
Of course, that's a rich vein of
material on Ned as well. 

2753
02:10:24,900 --> 02:10:26,600
So check that out. 
If you haven't already or maybe 

2754
02:10:26,600 --> 02:10:30,200
it's time for a real. 
Listen, one other thing that we 

2755
02:10:30,300 --> 02:10:33,100
we mentioned, but we should, is 
it your kitchen at nuggets 

2756
02:10:33,100 --> 02:10:36,900
during the finals? 
Yes. 

2757
02:10:36,900 --> 02:10:41,100
Because we always factor to talk
about basketball mr. 

2758
02:10:41,100 --> 02:10:44,700
Grant exciting here in Denver, 
I'm telling you thinking of 

2759
02:10:44,700 --> 02:10:49,400
mining nuggets. 
Yeah, there you go, Rich vein. 

2760
02:10:50,700 --> 02:10:55,100
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2761
02:10:55,100 --> 02:10:58,500
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2762
02:10:58,500 --> 02:11:03,600
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2763
02:11:04,300 --> 02:11:06,800
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2764
02:11:06,800 --> 02:11:08,900
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It will be going away for good 

2765
02:11:09,000 --> 02:11:13,000
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2766
02:11:13,000 --> 02:11:16,900
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2767
02:11:16,900 --> 02:11:19,700
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2768
02:11:19,800 --> 02:11:24,100
So Last two months of that, 
you're winding it down. 

2769
02:11:24,700 --> 02:11:27,100
Thanks as well to Nina for her 
great notes. 

2770
02:11:27,100 --> 02:11:30,200
Lot of great takes about a good 
Insight, some of it. 

2771
02:11:30,200 --> 02:11:33,400
Not only are her takes great but
they lead me to takes the 

2772
02:11:33,400 --> 02:11:35,400
better. 
My own that I take credit for 

2773
02:11:35,400 --> 02:11:40,100
but are partly influenced by her
so it's a two-way street when 

2774
02:11:40,100 --> 02:11:45,200
you have moments like that. 
Joey Jesse and bran I thank you 

2775
02:11:45,300 --> 02:11:50,100
for the help with our intro 
music video. 

2776
02:11:50,700 --> 02:11:53,400
Video intro as well, Michael 
Clarke belt that as well plus 

2777
02:11:53,400 --> 02:11:56,600
the maps behind us and our Benja
near. 

2778
02:11:56,600 --> 02:12:00,900
Who does great work with our 
audio quality and has a fun 

2779
02:12:00,900 --> 02:12:06,400
nickname like to shout out. 
It's just so cool the engineer. 

2780
02:12:06,400 --> 02:12:09,700
Yeah, Pat myself on the back for
that one. 

2781
02:12:10,400 --> 02:12:15,400
And I will see you all alongside
Sean in the shade ya, next time,

2782
02:12:15,500 --> 02:12:19,100
you know what to do before then 
valeriy Rita's.