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Hello my fellow Westorians. 
We are all hightowered today 

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when all of Westro saved Dorn 
and beyond the Wall knelt to 

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Agon the Conqueror himself in 
turn knelt at the star except in

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Old Town to receive the blessing
of the High Septon as the New 

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and 1st Lord of the Seven 
Kingdoms. 

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Though the Reach is ruled from 
High Garden, the center of the 

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face in all of Westeros was 
ruled by House Hightower. 

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I say was because it's no longer
the center of the faith in 

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Westeros, though it's still very
prominent in that regard. 

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But it was the Center for 
thousands of years and still was

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for a few generations. 
After the conquest it it 

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gradually shifted to King's 
Landing. 

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So in this era we're discussing 
today the early phase of House 

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Hightower under the Dragons 
well. 

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It's going to still be the 
center of the face for that 

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time, and with Agon wielding so 
much of his, your arms are to 

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get tired there, Sean. 
For those listening. 

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Sean's been holding a House 
Hightower sigil shirt up over 

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the camera, so you couldn't. 
You can only see it. 

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And again, his arms. 
Not much commitment to house 

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Hightower. 
You couldn't keep it going for 

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more than two minutes. 
We don't really light the way, 

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we just light the way as long as
it's convenient. 

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We cover the way we. 
Cover the We cover the camera. 

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You make me feel guilty because 
I want to be loyal to House 

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Hightower. 
Yeah, you should be. 

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Your wife is House Hightower. 
Yeah, that's what that was 

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actually not assured. 
It was a bag from her Lynette 

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costume. 
Anyway, with a gun wielding so 

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much of his power through the 
faith and the Hightower presence

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at court, which includes several
marriages to House Targaryen, we

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have a house with significant 
influence over the most the two 

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most important powers in all the
realm. 

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But of course, it doesn't stop 
there. 

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They rule the second largest 
city on the continent, but at 

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this time it was the largest 
city on the continent. 

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King's Landing didn't surpass 
Old Town for a little while, and

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not in those first 45 years of 
its existence. 

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So we don't actually know when 
King's Landing surpassed Old 

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Town. 
But it wasn't this early, and 

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they're accordingly wealthy. 
Not quite Lannister. 

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Wealthy, perhaps. 
Some estimates say they are as 

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wealthy as a Lannister. 
It doesn't really matter. 

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They're ridiculously wealthy to 
a degree that we couldn't even 

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counter fathom. 
And of course there's the 

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Citadel. 
They have a huge amount of 

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influence there too, though it's
entirely possible they wielded 

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greater relative strength in 
ancient times. 

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The arrow we're discussing today
in The Conquest to halfway 

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through Megor's Rain was 
probably the peak of their 

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power. 
Add it all up now, Royal 

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influence. 
Religious influence, financial 

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might control over knowledge, if
not communication. 

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Because the, you know, all the 
Ravens go through Citadel the 

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Citadel as well. 
They're trained there. 

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And then of course their 
military strength, which we 

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haven't mentioned yet both in 
manpower and in ships. 

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Well, we got all that and more 
on this episode of History of 

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West Rose podcast. 
Hello and welcome everyone. 

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Time for another deep dive into 
somewhat recent history of. 

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House Hightower, One of the most
powerful and prominent houses in

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all of W 1st, especially among 
those that are not technically a

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Great house but wield the 
strength and power of 1. 

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In fact, they're probably a lot 
more influential than saying the

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Great joys who were technically 
a great house, I think. 

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In fact, I would wager to say 
that's not even a question. 

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I'd say they definitely are more
powerful, but technically they 

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don't have that same rank 
anyway. 

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There's a lot to discuss with 
them, as often is the case. 

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I underestimate how long an 
episode is going to be. 

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You'd think I'd learn, but no, 
no, I haven't. 

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And I started off thinking we'd 
do all of the era prior to the 

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dance in one episode. 
Yeah, no, Not even, Not even 

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close. 
Not even half. 

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Although we do know more about 
this phase than we know about 

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the latter phase, the middle 
phase, really the latter phase 

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we know a lot about. 
Because that's predance. 

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And that's that's a juicy time. 
But we'll be discussing that 

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one. 
Next time, this one will be 

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focused on those early years, 
right after the Conquest and how

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you doing, Sean? 
What's happening today for you? 

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Yes, you got a green shirt. 
I've got a black shirt. 

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It's kind of funny. 
We're not actually talking about

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the blacks and the greens, but 
my black shirt is the Hightower 

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shirt. 
You have a green shirt. 

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That's the office shirt. 
Yeah, Office Beatles shirt. 

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Really. 
That's just a mashup. 

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Yeah, I like it. 
So it's a 3 way mashup without 

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even realizing it's a Hightower 
office Beatles. 

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I got to ask some of the office 
cast a couple questions at the 

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Denver Comic Con a couple weeks 
ago, so it's a little extra on 

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my mind. 
Hell yeah. 

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That's cool. 
I mean that I also have a green 

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drink here in honor of the 
Honorable House Hightower. 

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It's. 
Difficult to have a black 

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beverage like you can have a 
rest so dark it looks like like 

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actual black. 
Like black coffee isn't actually

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black, it's brown. 
You know, sometimes. 

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Coke doctor pepper look pretty 
black and yeah, it looks like 

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white you've got on it. 
But it's brown too, right? 

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Yeah, anyway. 
This is definitely green. 

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It's the green machine naked 
drink with Mountain Dew and 

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apple juice and Peach mango 
bank. 

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You've been finding your bangs. 
Good for you, yeah? 

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Bangs Getting back on the market
there, huh? 

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Reappearing without the Creatine
advertisement. 

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Big shout out to Nina, her blog 
is good. 

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Queen Alley with 1l.tumblr.com. 
Her notes are in here as usual, 

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and you're going to want to 
check out good 

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queenalley.tumblr.com for her 
blog post where she answers a 

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lot of questions and does other 
fun stuff. 

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Lately there's the most recent 
post is about Littlefinger and 

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Sansa and how that's going to 
all work out logistically, like 

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how the army is going to move. 
From the veil to the north, 

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Like, how are they going to get 
there? 

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The show, of course, just 
skipped over that, like it often

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does with logistics, but it's no
small thing to go from the veil 

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to the north, especially in 
winter, which it presumably 

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won't have stopped. 
Winter, well, it's already 

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started, so I don't suppose it's
going to let up in time for the 

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the veil forces to get up there.
So that's a good question. 

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Yeah. 
This episode was voted on by 

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We have a high level vote coming

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And next week will be Part 2 of 

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this one. 
But after that we're going to 

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have an episode on drum roll 
please. 

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Craster. 
Yes, I put up a I put up a poll 

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on Villains and y'all were just 
like Yay Craster. 

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More than 50% of the vote went 
to Craster. 

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I never know how these polls are
going to go. 

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Sometimes I think I have a 
handle on who's going to win, 

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but y'all surprised me 
sometimes. 

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That one was a surprise. 
I I kind of thought people would

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pick Kyburn maybe, or maybe even
Joffrey. 

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Joffrey got like 3% of the vote,
so that was not even, not even 

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close. 
As bad as Joffrey is, he's not 

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as bad as Craster. 
He's not as much of a bill. 

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He may have become so if he 
lived in A. 

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Lot like Joffrey had had it in 
him to do way more damage than 

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Craster had, wielding power over
far more people. 

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But yeah, I can see. 
But also there's no supernatural

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element to to Joffrey. 
I think that's part of what the 

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draw of Craster is like why 
there's more unanswered 

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questions, I think, with 
Craster. 

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More speculation to be had about
crashers and. 

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Yeah, and things around him, 
like, why is he doing the 

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sacrifices anyway? 
So, yeah, well, we'll discuss 

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all that when the episode's up. 
And until then, let's talk about

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House High tower. 
House high, tower under the 

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Dragons. 
But first, a trivia question 

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that we will answer for you at 
the end, unless you already know

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the answer, in which case, good 
for you. 

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The question is, May Gore wanted
to ambush some of the Faith 

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Militant by publicly executing 
one of their leaders via. 

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Burning to death. 
Very pleasant. 

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He expected more poor fellows to
rescue this condemned 

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individual. 
His plan was to ambush the 

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rescuers and thus kill this 
condemned person and capture and

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kill a bunch more poor fellows. 
Who was this person given the 

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death penalty? 
Bonus points if you can name the

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poor fellow leader who fell for 
this trap which he was a 

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successful trap. 
Spoiler alert. 

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And of course, that's something 
we'll be talking more about in 

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our Fire and Blood Valor. 
Rita Switch starts in only a few

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weeks. 
Y'all getting pretty close. 

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Also, a super chat from TKOK 
podcast network. 

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My own nonsensical head cannon 
is among the many inspirations 

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for House Hightower. 
Chief among them is Cadet Moses 

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Hightower of the awardwinning 
and beloved cinematic juggernaut

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that was the Police Academy 
franchise. 

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That's right, that guy that did 
all the. 

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Was it the guy that did all the 
voices that? 

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No, no, it was the big. 
No, I don't think. 

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It was like the the big, 
intimidating black guy was 

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Hightower, right? 
Yeah. 

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He was actually like, really 
tall. 

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Yeah. 
OK Yes. 

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Moses Hightower. 
That dude was, man, They made a 

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lot of those movies, didn't 
they, like? 

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I think they were like 7 or 
something. 

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Yeah, a lot of Police Academy. 
It was like the big franchise of

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the 80s. 
Anyway, check out. 

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Head of their time. 
Check out the TKOK Podcast 

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Network for great shows like. 
New Dad podcast and the Pot Moms

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Podcast. 
The Movie Club Podcast was most 

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relevant to the Police Academy. 
Oh yeah, good point. 

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I. 
Suppose good call, good call. 

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I think of Shay and I have each 
been featured on that podcast. 

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I did The Graduate with Tommy 
and Shay. 

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You did Fantastic Planet, right?
Do Fantastic Planet Aziz, 

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meanwhile, is the New Dad 
Podcast. 

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That's right talking about his 
own home life, family life. 

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Yes. 
Knew he had an episode where he 

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interviewed people that don't 
really know their dads, like me.

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So. 
Who did it? 

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Who don't know that new dad? 
You know new dad KNEW. 

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I should get new Dad. 
I should have been on the No Dad

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podcast. 
So this one's a slightly 

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different format from the 
northern one. 

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The north, of course we covered 
in two episodes under the 

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Dragons, but it was the whole N 
this is we were able to focus on

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each Stark Lord and turn Here 
we're we're more focused on the 

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Targaryen rain. 
We're not going to go Hightower 

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Lord by Lord. 
Because the high towers were far

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more closely tied to the 
Targaryens and the Starks ever 

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were or have been since the the 
the North is, in a sense, the 

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Targaryen rule almost made the 
North more isolated in some 

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ways, whereas House Hightower 
almost in reverse became more 

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embroiled in global continental 
politics than they'd ever been 

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before. 
So the full story of House 

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Hightower, of course, much, much
longer than one episode. 

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This Under the Dragons series 
should take us two episodes. 

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We'll see, But that's. 
What I expect, although I'm not 

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great at these estimates, so 
I'll take that with a grain of 

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salt or several grains of salt. 
They've always been pretty 

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important, of course, outside 
Tower, But interestingly, they 

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haven't been that big in A Song 
of Ice and Fire. 

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Their role has more increased 
over the last 10 years, partly 

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because, well, there's been so 
much time to talk about what's 

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going to happen in A Song of Ice
and Fire. 

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And they are pretty big on the 
yet to come stage. 

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They're like they're on the cusp
of mattering a lot. 

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Like we've got you're on getting
ready to do stuff in Old Town. 

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We've got chapters there. 
Sam's at the Citadel. 

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Jake and Higar. 
Jac and Higar or some faceless 

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man is there as well. 
So yeah stuff is happening there

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now, whereas it hasn't so much 
before. 

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So it it's not like their time 
has passed. 

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In fact their time on stage is 
is still coming but obviously 

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beyond that they've gained so 
much more clout in the fandom 

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because of. 
The world of fire, fire and 

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blood, and obviously House of 
the Dragon has really propelled 

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them to prominence within the 
community and the real world out

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there. 
In the real world, a lot more 

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people have heard Hightower now 
than they ever have before. 

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A lot of that is not only a lot 
of new material that Martin has 

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given us about them, even if it 
is more rooted in the past than 

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the, you know, the main Song of 
Ice and Fire series, but that 

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material also shows you. 
How integral they have been in 

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the past, which maybe adds to 
the potential relevance of them 

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in the future. 
Like it did. 

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We could probably do entire 
episodes on it, but they were 

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sort of like the Vatican of the 
world, right? 

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This is the it's like the center
of religion is in Old Town and 

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was for thousands of years, you 
know, So it's hard to measure 

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that influence. 
And the Citadel, right? 

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They stopped just Citadel, which
is also like a center of 

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learning, but not just the 
center of learning, but if they 

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send out people from there to 
all the other castles, like once

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again hard to measure the the 
influence that that's had over 

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time and will continue to have. 
Yeah, there's probably no house 

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that has their fingers and more 
important, influential like 

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centers of culture or just 
society. 

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What power. 
Knowledge. 

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Religion trait, Yeah, just 
everything. 

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There's there's probably no one 
besides because House Targaryen 

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of course rules over all that 
stuff. 

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But as far as directly 
influencing, it's more like, 

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yeah, they just rule it all. 
It isn't like they're not in 

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there like making moves in this 
in the way. 

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House Targaryen said Hey, how a 
Hightowers do X and A Hightower 

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said, you know, actually we're 
going to do the opposite of X. 

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House Targaryen would be 
scratching her head trying to 

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figure out what to do right? 
Even with Dragons, it would be 

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trouble for them. 
Hightower went against instead 

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of with. 
And also their house. 

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Targaryen's influence over all 
this is relatively new. 

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Whereas the high towers, even 
though their their situation has

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changed, they have the faith. 
The Old Town, the Old Town, the 

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the city that's all been there 
for so long that a lot of it is,

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is just has much more history to
it. 

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And history that we're not 
talking about today but 

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certainly is relevant towards by
the high towers, who are who 

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they are and why they have so 
much power. 

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So starting with Egg on the 
Conqueror of course. 

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Meagan prior to the Conquest. 
He is said to have visited a Old

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Town and the Citadel prior to 
launching his conquest as well 

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as going to the Arbor. 
We surely wonder, did he go to 

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the Citadel? 
Did he check out any books you 

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know? 
Did he look for anything to do 

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with his dreams? 
Anything to corroborate them or 

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more information? 
Possibly. 

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I mean, it doesn't have to have 
been that at all. 

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He he quite possibly hadn't even
had the dreams yet. 

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At this point we don't exactly 
know when he visited Old Town. 

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But it certainly is interesting,
and it's even more interesting 

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because Vasenia was with him and
Vasenia's. 

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Of the three Rainy's, Agon and 
Vasenia he seemed, she seems to 

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be the one by far the most 
associated with magic and the 

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occult and things like that, 
although we don't know if she 

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had any dreams of her own. 
So the notion that Agon had 

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dreams actually makes two of 
them more salted towards the 

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supernatural, and we're we're 
less sure about Rainy's. 

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But anyway. 
It's just compelling to consider

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not just what interactions he 
would have had with these old 

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books, even though it is, as we 
acknowledge possible. 

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He didn't really care for that 
at all at this time. 

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I'm guessing he did. 
But how he met the Hightower, 

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she would have visited them. 
They would have, you know, 

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feasted, hunted, hawked, 
whatever. 

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You know how these nobles do 
their fancy activities. 

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Gone on pleasure barges sailed. 
But you know on the Honey Wah, I

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don't know what they would have 
done, but it's. 

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I'm sure it was expensive. 
But they would have judged each 

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other's character. 
These a lot of these things are 

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are theater. 
To draw out the character of 

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each other and for them to, 
like, make decisions about what 

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kind of person they're dealing 
with here. 

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But as well, you have the 
Dragons. 

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I don't think they took ship 
there. 

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This is something that will come
up later, I think. 

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Given how the High Towers behave
when the war breaks out, I'm not

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convinced. 
Everyone knew what they were 

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getting into and they've decided
to stand up to Agon. 

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Did they? 
Some of them had probably never 

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seen Valerian, and if they had, 
they might have thought twice 

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about going up against him. 
You know, and then his you know,

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and not, let alone Moraxis and 
Vagar. 

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But we know for 99% certainty 
that the Lord of Old Town had 

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seen the Dragons, and that may 
have been a big part of what 

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came next, and why they had 
nothing to do with fighting 

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against the Targaryens during 
the conquest. 

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Aegon might have been pretty 
aware of the high towers even 

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before he ever went there, 
right? 

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There's still, like, the most 
among the most coupled part of 

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why he went there, yeah? 
And also, even if they didn't 

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see the Dragons there, which I 
agree they almost certainly did.

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But Old Town is probably more 
likely to have an understanding 

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of the power of the Dragons that
that the level of education and 

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history that is centered there 
is greater than you know. 

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Some random small town in the 
middle of the North, like even 

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Winterfell, is so separated and 
not really center of learning. 

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They might not have had the same
awareness of Dragons that Old 

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Town would have had whether 
they'd seen him or not, you 

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know? 
Also, he supposedly visited 

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Landis Port. 
So if you look at the places he 

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visited, there seems to be like,
yeah, he went to visit the 

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population center, he went to 
Old Town and Landis Port on the 

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West Coast is the most prominent
place. 

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He also went to the Arbor, which
is important, but that's, you 

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know, that's a center of wealth.
So it wasn't all about going to 

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the cities, but that's still 
kind of, it's kind of telling, 

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especially since you founded 
King's Landing not that far in 

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the future from there. 
So maybe he was trying to learn 

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a few things about how cities 
are made or how they're laid out

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or. 
Just getting into all that 

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stuff, there's a lot of 
possibilities. 

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Like we we definitely shouldn't 
limit ourselves to just a few 

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possibilities as to what he was 
doing there. 

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Probably just let your mind run 
wild. 

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All the all the reasons he might
want there to be there, to suss 

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it out, to judge the leadership,
to look at how cities are made, 

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just all these things they the 
list could be that plus more 

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quite easily. 
I imagine he had a lot of goals 

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in mind. 
I want to give him credit for 

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where my logistical mind goes. 
Is things about a city, huge 

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populations of people? 
Where does poop go? 

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How do they get water there? 
These are things that you don't 

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have to worry about with a 
village of 100 people when you 

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start talking about 100,000 
people. 

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Those are issues that a good 
leader has got to anticipate. 

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And there were probably some 
books in the Citadel that 

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described how they designed the 
streets in the sewer system. 

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And I would like to think that's
something as much as you wanted 

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to know about some prophecy. 
Some magical sword. 

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If he has some plan to build a 
city. 

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I hope we really learned about 
the infrastructure that was 

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required. 
Great point. 

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You could have just asked Lord 
Hightower like well how do you 

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do this how do you manage this? 
How do you manage like it just 

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asked a bunch of questions about
cities and you would have 

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wondered like the Lord Hightower
in response to these questions. 

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It's like this guy building the 
city or what's going like why 

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does he want to know? 
Is he just curious like he would

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have been very like peaked by 
those questions like I wonder 

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why what his what his mind is 
like because what? 

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And this leads us to another 
topic like I wonder if the 

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Hightowers. 
Lord Hightower figured out that 

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maybe this guy was going to make
a movie. 

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You might have sussed it out 
that this Aegon fellow was 

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awfully ambitious. 
He has a lot of he's very put 

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together. 
Like he's smart, capable, like 

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here's his bad ass sister with 
him. 

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She's also smart, capable and 
dangerous like. 

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What are they thinking here? 
He's thinking about cities and 

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and stuff like that. 
He might have figured it out. 

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You're looking for knowledge. 
They're here, you know, like 

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feeling us out as allies, Yeah. 
Smart. 

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Sure. 
Or anyone. 

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Yeah, start spinning ahead on 
where this might go, You know, 

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even if it's a small chance, 
it's a it's a chance it's worth 

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being prepared for. 
Yeah, the idea of them kind of 

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sizing each other up, I think 
it's important to consider, even

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if they're sort of putting on a 
show. 

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00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:29,440
Right. 
Putting our best foot forward. 

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00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,360
That still is something to 
judge, right? 

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The things that you want to show
off or try to hide, even if you 

401
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see through it, it's still 
noteworthy what they feel like 

402
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they need to be presenting 
someone like Baylon. 

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00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,600
But Baylon Greyjoy, even when he
puts his best foot forward, he 

404
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can still tell he's a jerk. 
You know what I mean? 

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You can still tell he's not 
really your plan or what, Yeah. 

406
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Yeah, I'd be like Robert trying 
to hide his penchant for 

407
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alcohol. 
Like no, Yeah, this is no hiding

408
00:19:56,540 --> 00:19:57,860
that. 
We can see what this guy's 

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about. 
Yeah. 

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Like, and they they, you know, 
like Marjorie and then Elena 

411
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kind of trying to question Sansa
about what's going on. 

412
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They kind of knew they were 
really looking for confirmation.

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00:20:06,780 --> 00:20:08,020
They knew Joffrey was. 
You're right. 

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00:20:08,020 --> 00:20:09,620
They were asked their questions,
were leading. 

415
00:20:09,620 --> 00:20:11,140
Yeah, they had already. 
Yeah, That you're right. 

416
00:20:11,220 --> 00:20:13,500
They weren't looking for. 
Information and the things that 

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Sansa didn't tell. 
Was giving him the answers they 

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really wanted the fact. 
That she didn't want to, like, 

419
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talk about about Joffrey said 
everything. 

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00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:21,760
Yes, you're totally right. 
Like, so you can. 

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Imagine there'd be some of that 
the things that that that agon 

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or the high towers or whoever. 
Even the things that they were 

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sneaky or quiet about is still. 
Telling because these are people

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who have wielded men's power for
so long. 

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His dad taught him like the 
proper way is not to screw it up

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and all these things and going 
back ad nauseam through prior 

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generations. 
Yeah. 

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I I wonder too if Agon was 
wondering if the Lord of the 

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Hightower was was like out of 
touch or you know way up. 

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Because we we hear that about 
the current Lord at Hightower. 

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Like that's an idea floated 
about him. 

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It's not confirmed but people 
say that he hasn't descended 

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from the Hightower in 10 years 
which is like whoa, that's 

434
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that's wild to think about, you 
know. 

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00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,160
And then it's what kind of 
effect does that have on your 

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personality and your you know, 
like your all your information 

437
00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,520
comes from what people are 
telling you and yeah. 

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Or maybe some of your 
information comes from glass 

439
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,800
candles. 
Yeah, that's true. 

440
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They do have those in Old Town, 
so. 

441
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It might not be quite as removed
from what's going on as people 

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think good. 
Point. 

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00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,840
Good point. 
So either way, the high tower is

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way up there, and you know 
whether that makes you more 

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aloof or more paranoid or more 
worldly or some combination of 

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the above. 
Anyway, it's going to have an 

447
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effect on your character one way
or the other. 

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So the conquest, the histories 
tell us that. 

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Lord Manfred Hightower was the 
man in charge when the conquest 

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began. 
This may have been the same Lord

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that met Agon and Vissenia when 
they came through. 

452
00:21:48,180 --> 00:21:51,500
We don't know when that was. 
We assume it wasn't a huge gap, 

453
00:21:52,020 --> 00:21:55,500
but we also don't know when the 
previous Lord Hightower died. 

454
00:21:55,500 --> 00:21:58,260
Now we do have a good whole 
handle on who all the Lord's 

455
00:21:58,260 --> 00:22:01,500
Hightower were going forward 
until the reign of Jaharis, when

456
00:22:01,500 --> 00:22:05,140
there's more peace and less 
specificity there. 

457
00:22:05,620 --> 00:22:08,300
But anyway, Manfred would have 
been. 

458
00:22:08,670 --> 00:22:13,510
Present for Agon's visits, even 
if he wasn't Lord so he knew he 

459
00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:16,510
would have seen the dragon just 
like his father did the Dragons 

460
00:22:16,830 --> 00:22:19,310
because he would have been 
around 34 at least. 

461
00:22:19,310 --> 00:22:21,710
This was the youngest Lord 
Manfred could have been when the

462
00:22:21,710 --> 00:22:24,070
conquest began was 34. 
More likely he was in his 40s. 

463
00:22:24,070 --> 00:22:26,750
So yeah he would. 
Either way he would have the 

464
00:22:26,750 --> 00:22:29,190
information his father had or he
was the one to collect it 

465
00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:31,790
initially. 
And one of his younger sons, 

466
00:22:32,270 --> 00:22:36,230
Lord Manfred was already in the 
warriors sons and another of his

467
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:39,120
sons was already a septon. 
And he had at least two other 

468
00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:41,840
sons, one named Adam and one 
named Garmin. 

469
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,080
He also had at least three 
daughters. 

470
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,240
And we're told he was a godly 
man. 

471
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,960
Now, we should always take 
Hightower history with a grain 

472
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,120
of salt because these are the 
like, history is written by the 

473
00:22:52,120 --> 00:22:54,000
winners is the thing, or history
is written by victors. 

474
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,400
Now that's, you know, you can't 
take that. 

475
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,320
There's more nuance to that 
saying than on the surface. 

476
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,000
But here it's particularly true 
because. 

477
00:23:03,770 --> 00:23:05,730
These are powerful people. 
They're often the winners, and 

478
00:23:05,730 --> 00:23:09,090
they literally, like, control 
the people writing the history. 

479
00:23:09,090 --> 00:23:10,930
So it's even more direct than it
is. 

480
00:23:10,930 --> 00:23:13,290
And like, not just recent 
history. 

481
00:23:13,290 --> 00:23:15,610
Like a lot of times a dynasty 
will write the history of 

482
00:23:15,610 --> 00:23:17,770
something and then the next 
dynasty will write a like a 

483
00:23:17,770 --> 00:23:19,410
corrective thing. 
And maybe the truth lies 

484
00:23:19,410 --> 00:23:21,970
somewhere between. 
But how high towers have ruled 

485
00:23:21,970 --> 00:23:24,770
the citadel effectively or 
through influence for thousands 

486
00:23:24,770 --> 00:23:27,010
of years and that hasn't, that's
never really shifted away from 

487
00:23:27,010 --> 00:23:28,850
them. 
So it hasn't been a break for 

488
00:23:28,850 --> 00:23:31,500
someone else to like. 
Cut through the bias or 

489
00:23:31,500 --> 00:23:33,740
whatever. 
So one thing I wrote a note for 

490
00:23:33,740 --> 00:23:37,140
myself when we were doing, when 
doing my my research and reading

491
00:23:37,140 --> 00:23:39,460
for this episode was like, I 
doubt I'm going to find a lot of

492
00:23:39,460 --> 00:23:42,660
critical takes on House. 
I'm having trouble saying that 

493
00:23:42,660 --> 00:23:44,980
name House High Tower in any of 
the histories because they're 

494
00:23:44,980 --> 00:23:48,700
all written at the Senate all. 
And I mean yeah, that seems to 

495
00:23:48,700 --> 00:23:52,620
be true. 
So we might have to just insert 

496
00:23:52,940 --> 00:23:55,740
some criticism. 
Imagine that these. 

497
00:23:56,090 --> 00:24:00,410
Guys and gals are probably some 
negative things about them have 

498
00:24:00,410 --> 00:24:03,770
probably been omitted. 
Probably like if you were to 

499
00:24:03,770 --> 00:24:07,410
write a top ten list of houses, 
most likely to receive positive 

500
00:24:07,410 --> 00:24:10,010
source bias. 
How the hightowers would 

501
00:24:10,010 --> 00:24:13,530
probably be #1 even more than 
the Targaryens. 

502
00:24:15,250 --> 00:24:19,650
But still it's believable that 
this Lord Hightower was godly 

503
00:24:19,650 --> 00:24:23,210
given his actions. 
Now it's pretty easy and common,

504
00:24:23,210 --> 00:24:26,670
I think, for like a Lord to. 
Make all the right noises and 

505
00:24:26,670 --> 00:24:28,790
pretend to be faithful and all 
that stuff. 

506
00:24:28,790 --> 00:24:31,550
But this guy seems to. 
I kind of get the sense this guy

507
00:24:31,550 --> 00:24:34,430
was genuine, but we'll see your 
Your mileage may vary. 

508
00:24:34,710 --> 00:24:37,550
Let's go through it now. 
Yeah, go ahead. 

509
00:24:37,710 --> 00:24:41,630
Can I say another thing here? 
Is it, given what we just said, 

510
00:24:41,630 --> 00:24:44,790
right, that that there would be 
certain biases in the history 

511
00:24:44,790 --> 00:24:47,590
that's written and maintained, 
and it's been that way for 

512
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:50,910
thousands of years. 
There are some people who might,

513
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:54,350
but not just some people, Most 
people probably just. 

514
00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:59,430
Believe it, Yeah, they do. 
Like, see, if a Hightower child 

515
00:24:59,430 --> 00:25:02,270
is born and raised and studies 
at Citadel, there's like, 

516
00:25:03,070 --> 00:25:05,750
they're not necessarily being 
dishonest about the history. 

517
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:07,950
It's just what was taught to 
them their whole life and 

518
00:25:07,950 --> 00:25:09,430
everyone else their whole life. 
Like, whatever. 

519
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:13,510
The truth is that that's not 
necessarily this evil bias of 

520
00:25:13,510 --> 00:25:15,230
the Hightower side cover up 
that. 

521
00:25:15,230 --> 00:25:17,510
See, it's just what everyone has
learned and believes. 

522
00:25:17,550 --> 00:25:19,870
You're totally right. 
Effectively, just as truth, it's

523
00:25:19,870 --> 00:25:23,150
a two way St. the high. 
SI really can't say it House 

524
00:25:23,150 --> 00:25:26,470
Hightower has. 
A strong influence over the 

525
00:25:26,470 --> 00:25:28,430
Faith. 
It's a two way St. the Faith is 

526
00:25:28,430 --> 00:25:29,830
a strong influence over House 
Hightower. 

527
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:33,230
You're totally right. 
So I I totally believe that some

528
00:25:33,230 --> 00:25:37,590
of these Lords are very devout 
because that proximity to the 

529
00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:38,870
Faith. 
You're right it's a two way St. 

530
00:25:38,870 --> 00:25:42,230
they live near the center of 
Westerosi worship of the Faith 

531
00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:43,910
of the 7th. 
So yeah of course it could rub 

532
00:25:43,910 --> 00:25:46,470
off in a in a non cynical way. 
Right. 

533
00:25:47,860 --> 00:25:50,180
So yeah the list of Hightower 
Lords influenced by the High 

534
00:25:50,180 --> 00:25:54,100
Septin would be massive like the
High Septin would know where to 

535
00:25:54,100 --> 00:25:57,340
go to influence like well we 
know who the powerful ones in 

536
00:25:57,340 --> 00:25:59,660
this city are. 
Let's and a lot of times the 

537
00:25:59,660 --> 00:26:02,620
High Septin maybe not a lot of 
times but often there have been 

538
00:26:02,620 --> 00:26:05,700
several cases where the High 
Septin literally is a high 

539
00:26:05,700 --> 00:26:08,500
tower. 
I mean there you go that and not

540
00:26:08,500 --> 00:26:10,940
just high towers but the most 
about who are the the highest 

541
00:26:10,940 --> 00:26:12,460
rank. 
They're like the Archbishop's 

542
00:26:12,460 --> 00:26:16,340
the equivalent or the Cardinals 
and a lot of them are often high

543
00:26:16,340 --> 00:26:20,250
towers so. 
This is a little bit hazy 

544
00:26:20,250 --> 00:26:23,730
because as we know, high septons
aren't called by their original 

545
00:26:23,730 --> 00:26:27,850
name, which I wonder if the high
towers just now occurring to me 

546
00:26:27,850 --> 00:26:31,050
that maybe they're part of the 
reason that that's done, that 

547
00:26:31,170 --> 00:26:34,930
that policy was implemented to 
hide how many high towers are 

548
00:26:34,930 --> 00:26:39,250
are in this organization. 
In fact that would make a lot of

549
00:26:39,250 --> 00:26:41,890
sense. 
Yeah, I like that anyway. 

550
00:26:42,970 --> 00:26:45,770
And even aside from high towers,
to hide whoever was in charge 

551
00:26:45,770 --> 00:26:47,130
because some certain bike you 
know. 

552
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,280
I don't know if they made a 
Blackwood, the High Septon, 

553
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,800
where there's some people who 
don't like the Blackwoods and so

554
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,400
like this, he's not really a 
Blackwood. 

555
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,080
He's it's also not it's like 
there's precedent for that in 

556
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,320
the real world too. 
The popes and kings often just 

557
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:01,880
change their name once they get 
that. 

558
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,960
Position. 
So it looks like the in the 

559
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,000
scenario we're dealing with 
right now, the beginning of the 

560
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,440
conquest, it looks like Manfred 
Hightower was one of those Lords

561
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,080
that was influenced by the High 
Septon rather than the other way

562
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,400
around. 
Like who had more power in this.

563
00:27:16,890 --> 00:27:19,290
Two way St. relationship. 
In this case it looks like the 

564
00:27:19,290 --> 00:27:23,170
High Septon had more power, 
although can't be certain, but 

565
00:27:23,170 --> 00:27:25,410
here's the quote to kick us off 
on that. 

566
00:27:26,490 --> 00:27:30,730
When word of Aegon's Landing 
first reached Old Town, the High

567
00:27:30,730 --> 00:27:34,810
Septon had locked himself within
the Starry Sept for seven days 

568
00:27:34,810 --> 00:27:38,250
and seven nights, seeking after 
the guidance of the gods. 

569
00:27:38,810 --> 00:27:42,890
He took no nourishment but bread
and water, it was said, and 

570
00:27:42,890 --> 00:27:45,530
spent all his waking hours in 
prayer. 

571
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:51,360
Moving from 1 altar to the next,
and on the 7th day the Crone had

572
00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:55,000
lifted her golden lamp to show 
him the path ahead. 

573
00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:00,440
If Old Town took up arms against
Aegon the dragon His High 

574
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:05,360
Holiness saw the city would 
surely burn, and the high tower 

575
00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:09,920
and the citadel and the starry 
set would be cast down and 

576
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,880
destroyed. 
Manfred Hightower, Lord of Old 

577
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,380
Town. 
Was a cautious Lord, and godly 

578
00:28:17,700 --> 00:28:21,340
one of his younger sons served 
with the warriors sons, and 

579
00:28:21,340 --> 00:28:24,580
another had only recently taken 
vows as a septon. 

580
00:28:25,260 --> 00:28:29,980
When the High Septon told him of
the vision, vouchsafed him by 

581
00:28:29,980 --> 00:28:33,460
the Crone, Lord Hightower 
determined that he would not 

582
00:28:33,460 --> 00:28:36,380
oppose the Conqueror by force of
arms. 

583
00:28:36,700 --> 00:28:41,180
Thus it was that no man from Old
Town burned on the field of 

584
00:28:41,180 --> 00:28:43,690
fire. 
So the High Towers were 

585
00:28:43,690 --> 00:28:46,090
bannermen to the gardeners of 
High Garden. 

586
00:28:46,970 --> 00:28:49,410
So it's awfully convenient. 
It happened. 

587
00:28:49,410 --> 00:28:53,010
The vision came on the 7th day, 
the whole, you know, seven days 

588
00:28:53,010 --> 00:28:55,570
obviously for the seven. 
So this is like, this sounds 

589
00:28:55,570 --> 00:28:57,450
very engineered, but I I'm with 
it. 

590
00:28:57,450 --> 00:29:01,170
I mean, you really shouldn't go 
out there and stand against the 

591
00:29:01,170 --> 00:29:04,690
drill like, yeah, like common 
sense says you would lose this, 

592
00:29:04,890 --> 00:29:07,970
this battle slash war. 
So yeah. 

593
00:29:09,020 --> 00:29:10,900
They needed a cover story. 
They needed an excuse. 

594
00:29:10,900 --> 00:29:14,500
And this was it. 
I imagine that as much as that 

595
00:29:14,500 --> 00:29:17,540
seven days, it probably didn't 
take 7 hours for them to be 

596
00:29:17,540 --> 00:29:19,260
like, all right, we're not 
trying to fight the Dragons, 

597
00:29:19,260 --> 00:29:20,140
right? 
No, of course not. 

598
00:29:20,140 --> 00:29:21,940
Okay. 
Well like how do we pitch this 

599
00:29:21,940 --> 00:29:24,140
to the people? 
How do we deal with the 

600
00:29:24,140 --> 00:29:26,700
targarians? 
How do we you know, they they 

601
00:29:26,700 --> 00:29:29,740
they were probably planning 
details of. 

602
00:29:30,140 --> 00:29:32,620
What they knew right away was 
going to happen that that's what

603
00:29:32,620 --> 00:29:34,340
I expected. 
Yeah, it's still. 

604
00:29:34,340 --> 00:29:36,460
And because they have to go 
against their Liege Lords. 

605
00:29:36,460 --> 00:29:39,580
Like they have to not support 
the gardeners who would rule the

606
00:29:39,580 --> 00:29:43,620
Reach for a long time and like 
with Garth the Gardner and Garth

607
00:29:43,620 --> 00:29:47,020
Greenhand, like all this, they 
really, as we've discussed in 

608
00:29:47,020 --> 00:29:49,860
other episodes, there was little
challenge to their rule. 

609
00:29:49,860 --> 00:29:53,220
The Gardeners were just the 
pinnacle of Reach, culture and 

610
00:29:53,220 --> 00:29:56,860
and heritage, and there was 
really no no one else even 

611
00:29:56,860 --> 00:29:59,620
close. 
So not backing them was a really

612
00:29:59,620 --> 00:30:01,740
big deal. 
Nina writes it as a crisis of 

613
00:30:01,740 --> 00:30:04,340
faith. 
Like not only is it the Gardner 

614
00:30:04,340 --> 00:30:08,460
Liege Lord, but the gardeners 
are practice this worship of the

615
00:30:08,460 --> 00:30:12,580
Seven for thousands of years, 
whereas Agon hadn't yet, like, 

616
00:30:12,940 --> 00:30:17,140
publicly converted to the faith.
He or maybe he had sent missives

617
00:30:17,140 --> 00:30:20,300
out that he was going to, but 
until he knelt at the Starry Sep

618
00:30:20,300 --> 00:30:23,780
to receive a blessing of the 
High Septum, well, they didn't 

619
00:30:23,780 --> 00:30:26,230
know he was going to do that. 
They didn't know he was would 

620
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:28,230
have done that, so they they 
couldn't have seen this coming 

621
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:31,350
specifically. 
I mean, even if he had done 

622
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:33,950
that, you got to imagine it's 
still a little suspicion, right?

623
00:30:34,910 --> 00:30:37,310
Sure, he did that, but I mean, 
he just showed up, right? 

624
00:30:37,310 --> 00:30:41,110
Like they're they're still, they
would still want to make plans 

625
00:30:41,150 --> 00:30:43,990
that have questions to ask and 
they know it's going to be a 

626
00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:46,430
shift and everything the way 
things have been. 

627
00:30:46,750 --> 00:30:48,910
And it makes sense that they 
would want some time to send 

628
00:30:48,910 --> 00:30:51,630
some Ravens out to ask some 
questions to get their ducks in 

629
00:30:51,630 --> 00:30:53,900
a row before this. 
Where this change comes? 

630
00:30:54,100 --> 00:30:56,860
And he has a responsibility to 
the people of Old Town too. 

631
00:30:56,860 --> 00:30:59,460
I mean, yeah he's like, well, I 
want to protect my house's 

632
00:30:59,460 --> 00:31:01,260
power. 
But these two things are very 

633
00:31:01,260 --> 00:31:03,540
tied together. 
Like if Old Town falls, a lot of

634
00:31:03,540 --> 00:31:04,780
innocent people are going to 
die. 

635
00:31:05,060 --> 00:31:08,860
It isn't just going to be we all
surrender and and no one is 

636
00:31:08,860 --> 00:31:10,780
suffers. 
You know we just no, no, 

637
00:31:11,700 --> 00:31:13,980
especially not according to the 
dream, but according to the 

638
00:31:13,980 --> 00:31:16,700
dream, the Starstep, Old Town, 
all of that would burn. 

639
00:31:16,700 --> 00:31:19,020
So yeah so if they put that out 
there. 

640
00:31:19,850 --> 00:31:20,930
That the high step that had this
dream. 

641
00:31:20,930 --> 00:31:23,170
People will believe that. 
And they're like, yeah, well, do

642
00:31:23,170 --> 00:31:25,050
the. 
You don't want to walk right 

643
00:31:25,050 --> 00:31:26,570
into that. 
Sure. 

644
00:31:26,570 --> 00:31:27,610
Yeah. 
Well let's not fight the 

645
00:31:27,610 --> 00:31:29,290
Dragons. 
And given the way things went 

646
00:31:29,370 --> 00:31:32,930
like the aftermath only 
justified their decision. 

647
00:31:32,930 --> 00:31:35,090
The field of fire wiped out all 
the gardeners. 

648
00:31:35,090 --> 00:31:37,410
I mean, it was worse than they 
probably could have guessed. 

649
00:31:37,650 --> 00:31:39,730
So they're like, well, that and 
that was a silver lining for 

650
00:31:39,730 --> 00:31:42,570
them because they didn't have to
face any sort of. 

651
00:31:43,450 --> 00:31:46,490
You know, justice from House, 
the gardeners saying, hey, why 

652
00:31:46,490 --> 00:31:48,250
weren't you there? 
You know, why didn't you help 

653
00:31:48,250 --> 00:31:50,450
us? 
You betrayed your Liege Lord. 

654
00:31:50,450 --> 00:31:53,570
Well, now there's they skirted 
that issue entirely. 

655
00:31:54,210 --> 00:31:56,730
And the Tyrells had been named 
Lords of High Gardens. 

656
00:31:56,730 --> 00:31:58,410
So that's like, all right, well,
yeah, we have. 

657
00:31:59,010 --> 00:32:02,170
We answer to them, if anyone. 
And the Tyrells are fully in 

658
00:32:02,170 --> 00:32:04,690
Agon's court. 
So they're not going to take 

659
00:32:04,690 --> 00:32:07,650
action against the high towers 
for not supporting when they've 

660
00:32:07,650 --> 00:32:10,610
already bent the knee. 
So that worked out as well as it

661
00:32:10,610 --> 00:32:14,810
could have, really. 
Once again, it makes me wonder 

662
00:32:15,210 --> 00:32:17,610
if that was something they were 
plotting through those seven 

663
00:32:17,610 --> 00:32:19,370
days. 
Like we got to make sure the 

664
00:32:19,370 --> 00:32:21,210
Targaryens take out all the high
towers. 

665
00:32:21,250 --> 00:32:22,770
We got to make sure there's not 
an air. 

666
00:32:22,770 --> 00:32:24,570
There's no. 
Repercussions, which like, I 

667
00:32:24,570 --> 00:32:26,250
don't think they could have 
engineered for that. 

668
00:32:26,250 --> 00:32:28,850
They were like, what do we do? 
Like if hopefully they bend the 

669
00:32:28,850 --> 00:32:30,690
knee and there's no pushback 
against us. 

670
00:32:30,690 --> 00:32:33,050
But yeah, just worked out 
probably better than it could 

671
00:32:33,050 --> 00:32:34,930
have because they could they 
couldn't have known all those 

672
00:32:34,930 --> 00:32:36,850
gardeners would get wiped out. 
Although Aegon may have 

673
00:32:36,850 --> 00:32:38,650
intentionally been trying to 
wipe out all the gardeners. 

674
00:32:38,650 --> 00:32:41,810
That's something I. 
Like they sent letters to. 

675
00:32:42,410 --> 00:32:44,730
Yeah, they might have sent 
letters to high gardens, say. 

676
00:32:45,250 --> 00:32:46,650
All the gardeners need to 
mobilize. 

677
00:32:46,650 --> 00:32:48,410
Make sure you guys are united 
front. 

678
00:32:48,410 --> 00:32:50,330
Everyone needs to be in that 
battlefield to face these. 

679
00:32:50,650 --> 00:32:52,610
Through some intermediary, like 
it wouldn't just be from the 

680
00:32:52,610 --> 00:32:53,970
High Tower, Yeah, but yeah, I 
like that. 

681
00:32:53,970 --> 00:32:57,290
Yeah, so that's a pretty big 
deal to think about that. 

682
00:32:57,290 --> 00:32:59,170
And Nina makes a similar point 
to you. 

683
00:32:59,170 --> 00:33:01,690
Did you as well, not just seeing
the Dragons, but having read the

684
00:33:01,690 --> 00:33:03,850
books about them and how 
devastating they are, which is 

685
00:33:03,850 --> 00:33:06,810
these rest of these reach Lords,
the gardeners, everyone else 

686
00:33:06,810 --> 00:33:08,690
would not necessarily have 
gained. 

687
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,400
To read their histories, let 
alone again. 

688
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,720
As we said already, not 
physically, not having met the 

689
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,160
Dragons in person, which alone 
is a way to change your mind. 

690
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,480
House Tyrell regarding them. 
While the Hightower in Old Town 

691
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,120
would remain A vassal of High 
Garden. 

692
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,280
This is a point of pride. 
We've talked about that. 

693
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:29,080
How I gone to this on purpose to
you kind of neutralize the reach

694
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,120
against him. 
It would be more concerned with 

695
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,840
infighting by appointing someone
who had been the High stewards 

696
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:35,960
above them all. 
They would they would wrangle 

697
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,130
and and not like that. 
And be like those High Stewards 

698
00:33:39,130 --> 00:33:40,850
are above us now, we're not 
happy about that. 

699
00:33:40,850 --> 00:33:43,130
So the High Towers will be 
amongst those Lords, perhaps the

700
00:33:43,130 --> 00:33:45,810
most prominent amongst the 
Lords, saying we don't, we don't

701
00:33:45,810 --> 00:33:47,930
love this new state of affairs, 
but what are they going to do 

702
00:33:47,930 --> 00:33:49,770
about it? 
They bent the need, egg on the 

703
00:33:49,770 --> 00:33:53,970
field of fire was lost, You 
know, there's not much they can 

704
00:33:54,210 --> 00:33:56,730
do in this case other than just 
go along with it. 

705
00:33:57,930 --> 00:33:59,890
I can imagine them being okay 
with it, too. 

706
00:33:59,890 --> 00:34:02,810
It's like, you know what? 
We still have the step we saw 

707
00:34:02,810 --> 00:34:04,530
The Citadel. 
We're still the biggest, richest

708
00:34:04,530 --> 00:34:07,340
city as you go, yeah. 
That's true. 

709
00:34:07,380 --> 00:34:08,540
You cute. 
Tyrell. 

710
00:34:08,620 --> 00:34:10,540
You think you're in charge. 
That's nice. 

711
00:34:10,739 --> 00:34:11,020
Yeah. 
Go. 

712
00:34:11,100 --> 00:34:12,940
You go ahead and do that. 
You're right, that's a good 

713
00:34:12,940 --> 00:34:15,500
point, because the Tyrells 
wouldn't be able to wield as 

714
00:34:15,500 --> 00:34:18,100
much authority over them even 
with, even though they're the 

715
00:34:18,100 --> 00:34:20,500
same rank technically as the 
Gardeners without that prestige 

716
00:34:20,500 --> 00:34:21,980
and history. 
Like, yeah, the high towers 

717
00:34:21,980 --> 00:34:24,219
could, they can't summon as. 
Much They won't be, yeah. 

718
00:34:25,090 --> 00:34:28,730
And they won't be called on as 
directly to send soldiers off to

719
00:34:28,730 --> 00:34:30,850
battle or whatever else the 
charges you want to do. 

720
00:34:30,850 --> 00:34:32,770
Like, yeah, Tyrells, you go be 
their stooges. 

721
00:34:32,770 --> 00:34:34,370
We're just going to keep doing 
what we've been doing for 

722
00:34:34,370 --> 00:34:35,770
thousands. 
Of years, not to mention the 

723
00:34:35,770 --> 00:34:39,730
Tyrells were slash high Garden 
was severely weakened after the 

724
00:34:39,730 --> 00:34:40,850
field of fire. 
They just lost a lot of 

725
00:34:40,850 --> 00:34:42,010
soldiers. 
So there's that too. 

726
00:34:43,290 --> 00:34:46,570
Regardless of how Lord Manfred 
felt or what he thought he 

727
00:34:46,570 --> 00:34:50,409
wanted to do, this is what he 
actually did quote. 

728
00:34:51,670 --> 00:34:56,230
Lord Manfred rode forth to greet
Agon the dragon as he approached

729
00:34:56,270 --> 00:34:59,190
and to OfferUp his sword, his 
city, and his oath. 

730
00:34:59,790 --> 00:35:03,470
Some say that Lord Hightower 
also offered up the hand of his 

731
00:35:03,470 --> 00:35:08,230
youngest daughter, which Agon 
declined politely lest it offend

732
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:12,430
his 2 Queens. 
Three days later, in the Starry 

733
00:35:12,430 --> 00:35:17,350
Sept, His High Holiness himself 
anointed Agon with the seven 

734
00:35:17,350 --> 00:35:20,110
oils placed a crown upon his 
head. 

735
00:35:20,620 --> 00:35:24,660
And proclaimed him Agon of House
Targaryen, the first of his 

736
00:35:24,660 --> 00:35:29,220
name, King of the Andals, the 
Roynar, and the First Men, Lord 

737
00:35:29,220 --> 00:35:32,500
of the Seven Kingdoms, and 
Protector of the Realm I. 

738
00:35:32,780 --> 00:35:35,780
Wonder what the seven oils 
actually are Like? 

739
00:35:35,780 --> 00:35:37,260
What are the each individual 
oil? 

740
00:35:37,260 --> 00:35:41,230
Is a Crone oil stranger oil? 
Made in oil. 

741
00:35:41,470 --> 00:35:44,510
What the Hell C. 
BD Oil. 

742
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:48,990
Now it's thinking olive oil. 
Peanut oil. 

743
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:50,950
I don't know. 
If they have. 

744
00:35:51,150 --> 00:35:54,070
Peanuts in Western or something.
They do have olives. 

745
00:35:54,110 --> 00:35:55,390
I don't know if they have. 
Peanuts. 

746
00:35:55,390 --> 00:35:56,910
They're missing. 
Out peanuts when they find the 

747
00:35:56,910 --> 00:35:57,790
new world. 
I guess so. 

748
00:35:59,470 --> 00:36:01,550
That would have been an 
interesting three days, it says.

749
00:36:01,550 --> 00:36:03,630
Three days later in the Starry 
stepped His High Holiness 

750
00:36:03,630 --> 00:36:04,790
himself. 
Annoying and like, what were 

751
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:06,270
they talking about in those 
three days? 

752
00:36:06,270 --> 00:36:08,430
Just, I'm sure it wasn't simply 
just. 

753
00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:10,560
How many people do we invite for
the coronation? 

754
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,880
Where does everyone stand? 
That would be part of it because

755
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,360
these, you know, they care about
these ceremonies and stuff. 

756
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,440
But there would have been other 
negotiations behind the scenes, 

757
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,280
certain concessions or requests 
or certain things that would 

758
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,320
need to be settled behind closed
doors to make sure everything is

759
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,120
smooth and to make sure you know
a lot of power is changing hands

760
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,200
here, a lot is happening and 
there would be need to be 

761
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:38,120
assurances and and diplomacy, 
just a lot of things going on. 

762
00:36:39,300 --> 00:36:42,780
Even things that aren't 
necessarily cynical maneuvering 

763
00:36:42,780 --> 00:36:45,500
for power, there would have been
like legit concerns about like 

764
00:36:45,900 --> 00:36:48,100
this shipment of grain is going 
to this village. 

765
00:36:48,180 --> 00:36:50,340
These people will starve to 
death if it doesn't get there. 

766
00:36:50,700 --> 00:36:53,500
Can you make sure we had the 
same troops here? 

767
00:36:53,500 --> 00:36:55,860
Your Dragons might be flying. 
Is this village safe? 

768
00:36:55,860 --> 00:36:59,180
You know, I can imagine and 
times you know 20 villages that 

769
00:36:59,180 --> 00:37:02,060
I I can imagine some very legit 
concerns of. 

770
00:37:03,310 --> 00:37:06,470
The people in logistics, even if
behind that, they just want to 

771
00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:07,950
make sure they can collect those
taxes. 

772
00:37:08,910 --> 00:37:11,310
Even if there is a cynical 
reason behind it, there are 

773
00:37:11,310 --> 00:37:15,150
probably were still a lot of 
maneuvering to maintain peace 

774
00:37:15,150 --> 00:37:19,550
and safety of the people. 
Yeah, now this marriage offer. 

775
00:37:19,550 --> 00:37:21,510
Highly interesting. 
I love how it's said the a gun 

776
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:23,390
declined politely. 
Like, no, it got declined 

777
00:37:23,390 --> 00:37:25,350
rudely. 
Like get your daughter out of my

778
00:37:25,350 --> 00:37:26,990
face. 
No, But it's interesting to 

779
00:37:26,990 --> 00:37:30,470
compare that towards, they say. 
What happened with the Dance of 

780
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:33,070
the Dragons? 
Where two offending the two 

781
00:37:33,070 --> 00:37:35,950
Queens, you say? 
Imagine that. 

782
00:37:36,670 --> 00:37:39,230
Upsetting both your Queens and 
causing a civil war. 

783
00:37:39,230 --> 00:37:42,350
Yeah, Aegon had bet it was 
smarter than Becerras and had 

784
00:37:42,350 --> 00:37:45,230
better advisors most likely. 
Nina points out that Aegon had a

785
00:37:45,230 --> 00:37:47,270
difficult position to navigate 
here too. 

786
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:53,150
I mean, it would have been. 
You could see why Aegon might 

787
00:37:53,150 --> 00:37:55,790
have wanted to accept taking a 
third wife and been like. 

788
00:37:56,590 --> 00:37:59,750
Lock up House Hightower in his 
corner when he's trying to 

789
00:37:59,830 --> 00:38:01,430
establish power over the entire 
realm. 

790
00:38:01,430 --> 00:38:03,430
You can see why he might want a 
marriage alliance with House 

791
00:38:03,430 --> 00:38:06,750
Hightower, even though, as he 
says here, apparently he doesn't

792
00:38:06,750 --> 00:38:09,310
want to offend his 2 Queens like
his Queens would understand if 

793
00:38:09,310 --> 00:38:12,750
it was for power. 
I think so maybe that's maybe 

794
00:38:12,750 --> 00:38:15,150
that's maybe there's other 
reasoning going on here, but but

795
00:38:15,350 --> 00:38:16,910
maybe not. 
Maybe they would be offended, I 

796
00:38:16,910 --> 00:38:19,990
don't know. 
And not to mention you might. 

797
00:38:20,750 --> 00:38:23,150
As much as you might find an 
alliance with Old Town to an 

798
00:38:23,150 --> 00:38:25,590
act, you might find a rival in 
Old Town to an act. 

799
00:38:26,350 --> 00:38:28,870
And the faith is not going to be
happy about a third one. 

800
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:31,310
Two is bad enough. 
You're right, two is bad enough.

801
00:38:31,310 --> 00:38:33,710
And a third one. 
He can't say I'm not allowed to 

802
00:38:33,710 --> 00:38:35,790
have a third one. 
Like, that's obviously not true.

803
00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:38,910
It's like 2, but not three. 
And I know you, you're in a 

804
00:38:39,030 --> 00:38:42,910
polygamous marriage like and we 
know, but this is we have the 

805
00:38:42,910 --> 00:38:44,950
Citadel here in our town. 
We know y'all. 

806
00:38:45,700 --> 00:38:48,100
Have had more marriages than 
that, you know, we know, we know

807
00:38:48,100 --> 00:38:52,900
your history. 
So yeah, he he might not have 

808
00:38:52,900 --> 00:38:55,100
wanted to boost the high towers 
that high. 

809
00:38:55,100 --> 00:38:57,700
He might want to have kept them 
at arm's length a bit. 

810
00:38:57,780 --> 00:39:00,700
There's a lot of reasons why. 
Also, there's apparently there's

811
00:39:00,700 --> 00:39:02,620
a chance this didn't even 
happen, although I suspect it 

812
00:39:02,620 --> 00:39:05,060
did. 
The way the high towers are and 

813
00:39:05,060 --> 00:39:09,020
the way a lot of houses are, 
ambition is just a currency for 

814
00:39:09,020 --> 00:39:10,860
them. 
It's so common that of course 

815
00:39:10,860 --> 00:39:13,300
they're going to take their shot
at marrying into the royal 

816
00:39:13,300 --> 00:39:14,660
family. 
You know, like what? 

817
00:39:15,230 --> 00:39:18,510
Couldn't hurt to ask, and no, it
it didn't hurt to ask. 

818
00:39:18,510 --> 00:39:21,230
He declined politely, but he 
probably expected it. 

819
00:39:21,230 --> 00:39:23,270
He probably was completely 
unsurprised by the offers. 

820
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:25,390
Like, Yep, here it comes, here 
comes the marriage offer. 

821
00:39:25,630 --> 00:39:30,790
I've gotten lots of these. 
So that of course, is a tried 

822
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:33,550
and true method of power and 
influences advantageous 

823
00:39:33,550 --> 00:39:35,310
marriages. 
Now you would you could argue 

824
00:39:35,310 --> 00:39:39,030
that the it's very desirable to 
marry to the Hightower family. 

825
00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:41,630
There's plenty of other families
that would jump at the chance. 

826
00:39:42,270 --> 00:39:43,590
And of course the same is 
trooper house. 

827
00:39:43,590 --> 00:39:45,920
Start carrying now. 
In this case, it's a matter of 

828
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:51,920
who benefits more from it, and I
think Agon decided that it would

829
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,800
be more of a boon to the high 
towers than it would be to him 

830
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,120
and his family and and might be 
more worthwhile to keep these 

831
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,320
things open. 
We've also noticed how often it 

832
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,360
is that the high towers have 
large families. 

833
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:08,360
This is partly a factor of you 
can have larger families when 

834
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,440
you have certain amounts of 
wealth. 

835
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,080
You can afford it. 
Kids are not cheap, you know, in

836
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:19,280
any timeline or setting really. 
So in some ways, that's why 

837
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,400
there's so many of them. 
Recall that this Lord Manfred 

838
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:23,840
had at least seven children, 
minimum. 

839
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:29,000
And Lynette Jarra's exwife, was 
the 10th child of her siblings. 

840
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,320
She was the 10th. 
So it's crazy how many so many 

841
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:37,040
kids right now. 
Jumping ahead just for a second,

842
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,280
it's possible that Donald the 
Delayer, a Lord, will discuss in

843
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,160
the next episode, Lord 
Hightower. 

844
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:45,550
Is one of these other seven 
children or beyond seven? 

845
00:40:45,910 --> 00:40:48,070
Because he was born around 17 
A/C. 

846
00:40:49,070 --> 00:40:54,110
And yeah, so this is all about 
halfway through Aegon's reign, 

847
00:40:54,150 --> 00:40:56,030
is AC17. 
So yeah. 

848
00:40:57,910 --> 00:41:01,950
You know, you might be. 
I'm. 

849
00:41:02,030 --> 00:41:05,230
I'm trying to compare Hightower 
to Fray because they're also 

850
00:41:05,230 --> 00:41:09,380
like a large family. 
But they seem to have diminished

851
00:41:09,380 --> 00:41:12,540
their value or their prestige, 
where the high towers do not 

852
00:41:12,540 --> 00:41:13,900
have, or at least not as much 
have. 

853
00:41:14,140 --> 00:41:16,420
Is it new for Fray to have a big
family like that? 

854
00:41:16,420 --> 00:41:18,700
Is that something Walter put 
into action, or have they always

855
00:41:18,700 --> 00:41:20,140
been that way? 
They're a little not. 

856
00:41:20,140 --> 00:41:22,980
They're younger as a house. 
Their house has only existed for

857
00:41:22,980 --> 00:41:25,300
about 600 years, so they don't 
have a huge long history. 

858
00:41:25,300 --> 00:41:27,740
And yes, they were considered 
more upstarts early on to like 

859
00:41:27,740 --> 00:41:31,060
the 1st century was them just 
kind of getting bigger and 

860
00:41:31,060 --> 00:41:34,340
spending reinvesting their money
into the castle. 

861
00:41:34,460 --> 00:41:36,180
It used to be just be a wooden 
bridge. 

862
00:41:36,750 --> 00:41:39,030
And they made their money off 
the tolls and over time they 

863
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:40,830
spent the money to make it a 
stone bridge. 

864
00:41:40,830 --> 00:41:43,270
And then the two wooden keeps on
either side were stone cast. 

865
00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:46,310
So they were reinvesting in 
themselves early on and then 

866
00:41:46,310 --> 00:41:48,190
eventually they became powerful 
and wealthy. 

867
00:41:48,190 --> 00:41:51,470
And yeah, the Tyrells are a good
example though as well As long 

868
00:41:51,470 --> 00:41:53,550
as the fire, they're they're 
maybe the second largest family 

869
00:41:53,550 --> 00:41:56,790
that we know of in current 
times. 

870
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:59,230
The prayers are pretty clearly 
the largest in terms of like a 

871
00:41:59,230 --> 00:42:04,830
Lord with the most children, so.
It's another example of a house 

872
00:42:04,830 --> 00:42:08,550
that uses sheer quantity of 
family members to gain power and

873
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:09,670
standing. 
There's so many of them, they 

874
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:12,070
can hold office. 
You know it has different 

875
00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:15,030
there's so many of them that you
can put here and there, like the

876
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:17,550
Tyrells. 
They've got city, like Old Town,

877
00:42:17,550 --> 00:42:22,150
they got the city watch captains
and maesters and they wanted to 

878
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:25,390
send the new Master of Coin up. 
And there's so many, right the 

879
00:42:25,390 --> 00:42:27,090
Cersei just like. 
Hates this. 

880
00:42:27,090 --> 00:42:28,650
It bothers her. 
Whereas Tywin was just like, 

881
00:42:28,650 --> 00:42:30,970
well, we just got to lean into 
it and like, well, let's be 

882
00:42:30,970 --> 00:42:33,930
allies with them and make this 
part of our strength, right? 

883
00:42:33,930 --> 00:42:35,970
You know, he's like, we can't 
fight that. 

884
00:42:35,970 --> 00:42:39,130
So let's let's make it ours. 
Like it's better to do that. 

885
00:42:39,770 --> 00:42:44,050
So maybe this is some of part of
Aegon's thinking as well, but he

886
00:42:44,050 --> 00:42:46,610
had a different calculus than 
these houses that are not at the

887
00:42:46,610 --> 00:42:49,650
top. 
He's the new king with Valerian.

888
00:42:49,650 --> 00:42:52,330
He doesn't have the same 
considerations as Rob Stark. 

889
00:42:52,330 --> 00:42:54,770
Who? 
Needs to cross the river. 

890
00:42:54,890 --> 00:42:56,730
So he's like I'll agree to a 
marriage. 

891
00:42:58,250 --> 00:43:02,090
Aegon wasn't you know wasn't 
forced into anything here. 

892
00:43:02,090 --> 00:43:06,650
He had all the all the power in 
terms of violence and and 

893
00:43:06,650 --> 00:43:09,530
standing like that. 
So as well let us recall there's

894
00:43:09,530 --> 00:43:11,650
no King's Landing yet. 
Again this keeps coming up. 

895
00:43:11,650 --> 00:43:16,970
It's super important to consider
one very likely conversation. 

896
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:21,000
That was held in Old Town while 
he was there as Where are you 

897
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,000
going to rule the Kingdom from? 
Where's your capital? 

898
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:24,480
Are you going to rule from 
Dragonstone? 

899
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,440
Have you considered making your 
throne here in Old Town? 

900
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,440
Have you considered making the 
capital here? 

901
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,320
He probably had. 
He may have already decided not 

902
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,920
to. 
He may, but this may have been 

903
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,960
when that decision was made. 
He may have heard them all. 

904
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,320
He's like Okay. 
Tell me your reasons for doing 

905
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,760
it here or doing it elsewhere. 
It might have been a really big 

906
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,520
deal, like people trying to 
argue for or against it. 

907
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,480
There might be some forces, some
powers that be within even maybe

908
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,320
some of the high towers might 
have wanted it, some others may 

909
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,720
not. 
A lot of considerations. 

910
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,120
A new royal family is nothing 
like this has existed in 

911
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,720
Westeros before. 
It might be good for them to 

912
00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:07,080
keep that power close to them, 
but they might not want that 

913
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,730
power to over shadow their own. 
In their city they might see 

914
00:44:10,730 --> 00:44:15,250
themselves getting squeezed out,
so I I'm not sure which meant 

915
00:44:15,250 --> 00:44:18,210
more to them, but it's it's a 
very huge consideration 

916
00:44:18,210 --> 00:44:22,130
regardless of where you fall 
with your guesses on what the 

917
00:44:22,130 --> 00:44:26,090
high towers might have seen as a
possible future here, because 

918
00:44:26,090 --> 00:44:27,410
you really could see it both 
ways, right? 

919
00:44:27,410 --> 00:44:29,010
It's kind of a conundrum, like 
what would they have won? 

920
00:44:29,010 --> 00:44:32,090
Would they have wanted the king 
to have his thrown there or 

921
00:44:32,090 --> 00:44:36,330
would they not have? 
I'm not sure, but there's a lot 

922
00:44:36,330 --> 00:44:37,690
of pros and cons. 
It's pretty interesting 

923
00:44:37,690 --> 00:44:42,500
decision. 
I bet that the cons outweigh the

924
00:44:42,500 --> 00:44:44,020
pros. 
Even though there were a lot of 

925
00:44:44,020 --> 00:44:45,820
pros, I bet the cons outweighed 
it. 

926
00:44:47,580 --> 00:44:50,060
Based on that on a couple of 
things would actually happen. 

927
00:44:50,140 --> 00:44:53,180
I think if they had really 
wanted it, if the the pros have 

928
00:44:53,180 --> 00:44:56,380
been strong enough, they would 
have made it happen and it we 

929
00:44:56,380 --> 00:44:58,900
would have heard more of a story
why it did or didn't, right. 

930
00:44:59,300 --> 00:45:01,540
And also just thinking about in 
the World War, for example, 

931
00:45:01,540 --> 00:45:04,300
Washington DC was just kind of 
carved out rather than, you 

932
00:45:04,300 --> 00:45:06,060
know, we kind of bounced the 
capital around. 

933
00:45:06,410 --> 00:45:08,810
Like early American history, 
like Philadelphia and New York, 

934
00:45:08,810 --> 00:45:10,130
whatever. 
But eventually they chose like 

935
00:45:10,130 --> 00:45:12,050
sort of a neutral spot. 
And there was a lot of 

936
00:45:12,050 --> 00:45:15,490
negotiation around that. 
But I'm sure that I'm sure if it

937
00:45:15,490 --> 00:45:18,570
was better for New York to have 
been in New York, they would 

938
00:45:18,570 --> 00:45:20,210
have made that happen. 
But they didn't. 

939
00:45:20,210 --> 00:45:21,850
And they're like do it somewhere
else. 

940
00:45:21,930 --> 00:45:23,810
Let us do our own thing. 
Go on here. 

941
00:45:23,810 --> 00:45:25,130
We don't want you to interfere 
or take. 

942
00:45:25,130 --> 00:45:28,050
From us, rather than one state 
having undue amount of power. 

943
00:45:28,050 --> 00:45:29,210
Yeah, and they did. 
And that. 

944
00:45:29,210 --> 00:45:32,130
That's a really good example. 
I wrote a video for In Deep Geek

945
00:45:32,130 --> 00:45:34,130
on why it's called The Seven 
Kingdoms, and I made a similar 

946
00:45:34,130 --> 00:45:35,970
point like. 
A crown land agon created the 

947
00:45:35,970 --> 00:45:40,650
crown lands which is the royal 
thief for for his lands you know

948
00:45:40,730 --> 00:45:43,970
to to taxes and soldiers and all
that and it was a new carve out 

949
00:45:43,970 --> 00:45:47,530
and it's kind of like DCDC 
Washington DC isn't part of any 

950
00:45:47,530 --> 00:45:49,970
of the 50 states nor is it a 
state itself. 

951
00:45:50,330 --> 00:45:54,170
The crown lands isn't really a 
Kingdom but it is a carve out 

952
00:45:54,170 --> 00:45:56,290
and that isn't part of another 
Kingdom so it is it's kind of a 

953
00:45:56,290 --> 00:45:58,930
similar thing in that sense. 
The crown land is a lot larger 

954
00:45:59,130 --> 00:46:02,210
relatively than Washington DC 
but it's still it's a it works 

955
00:46:02,210 --> 00:46:04,910
as a parallel there. 
So by the same token, if there's

956
00:46:04,910 --> 00:46:08,070
forces in Old Town, high towers 
and maybe other people arguing 

957
00:46:08,070 --> 00:46:09,750
for the capital, be put there or
not. 

958
00:46:10,070 --> 00:46:13,950
There might be people from the 
Crown Lands that you know in 

959
00:46:13,950 --> 00:46:17,150
Aegon's entourage that are like 
arguing against that they're 

960
00:46:17,150 --> 00:46:19,350
like, no, you should build it 
back. 

961
00:46:19,350 --> 00:46:22,470
Where close to your seat of 
power Dragonstone do back up 

962
00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:23,510
there, like that's where you 
should be. 

963
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:25,750
So there there would be forces 
arguing for it to be near them 

964
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:28,670
as well. 
Like like Duncandale and and 

965
00:46:28,670 --> 00:46:31,670
Rosby and places like that. 
They may have also had similar 

966
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:33,590
considerations, like some people
want it there, some people 

967
00:46:33,590 --> 00:46:36,190
don't. 
Yeah, a little, A little column,

968
00:46:36,190 --> 00:46:38,950
A little column B. 
You got to ruffle a lot of 

969
00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:40,430
people's feathers. 
A lot of people are going to 

970
00:46:40,430 --> 00:46:43,230
feel like, why not us, right? 
You're going to make this one 

971
00:46:43,230 --> 00:46:47,390
family, this one town, very 
happy, but assuming you even are

972
00:46:47,390 --> 00:46:51,230
actually making them happy and 
make 20 other houses jealous and

973
00:46:51,230 --> 00:46:53,630
frustrated or like, all right, 
like none of you. 

974
00:46:54,010 --> 00:46:55,050
We're just going to make our own
little. 

975
00:46:55,090 --> 00:46:56,490
Spots and that that is what 
happened. 

976
00:46:56,490 --> 00:46:59,130
And so that that in the short 
term you got to wonder what the 

977
00:46:59,130 --> 00:47:01,010
high towers thought of that in 
the long term, well, that's 

978
00:47:01,010 --> 00:47:04,330
another huge population Center 
for them to trade with might be 

979
00:47:04,330 --> 00:47:06,810
a good thing, so. 
They can get ahead of it. 

980
00:47:06,810 --> 00:47:09,170
They can get ahead of 
establishing trade routes and 

981
00:47:09,490 --> 00:47:12,450
send some carpenters over there.
Let's make sure we're the ones 

982
00:47:12,450 --> 00:47:14,130
building those buildings and 
setting up those. 

983
00:47:14,210 --> 00:47:15,970
Getting that inside track, yes, 
you're right. 

984
00:47:15,970 --> 00:47:20,010
So they would, they would see 
that opportunity which is one of

985
00:47:20,010 --> 00:47:21,170
many of the possible 
opportunities. 

986
00:47:21,170 --> 00:47:22,970
I mean we got a new power 
structure being built. 

987
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,600
A new entirely new 7 kingdoms 
and this house that Hightowers 

988
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,800
who were very practiced and 
experienced with wielding and 

989
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,680
holding power and gaining power.
They would see the opportunities

990
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:36,080
that come with a giant new power
structure being built over 

991
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:37,840
everything. 
They would want to be a part of 

992
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:43,080
that Speaking of the change in 
Westeros, a massive change that 

993
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:47,400
would be a huge boon for House 
Hightower as along with most of 

994
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,710
the West Coast of Westeros. 
Would be the end of the old way.

995
00:47:50,710 --> 00:47:54,590
Aegon shut that down hardcore by
invading them directly. 

996
00:47:54,590 --> 00:47:57,470
Valerians flames had a bit to do
with it. 

997
00:47:58,230 --> 00:48:01,950
Lord Vicon Greyjoy was named new
Lord of the Iron Isles. 

998
00:48:02,230 --> 00:48:03,670
They had like a little Lord's 
mood there. 

999
00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:06,510
Aegon allowed them to choose and
they chose the Greyjoy. 

1000
00:48:07,110 --> 00:48:11,190
And he famously told his son, 
don't be stupid, don't fight 

1001
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:14,270
against the Dragons, you know? 
We're particularly vulnerable 

1002
00:48:14,270 --> 00:48:15,310
yo. 
We have ships. 

1003
00:48:15,550 --> 00:48:18,420
Those things burn, you know. 
We really cannot go against 

1004
00:48:18,420 --> 00:48:19,660
them, you know. 
Bravery cannot. 

1005
00:48:20,020 --> 00:48:21,900
You can't be brave enough. 
It's not going to matter. 

1006
00:48:22,140 --> 00:48:23,820
Like bravery will not carry us 
here. 

1007
00:48:24,100 --> 00:48:25,980
As best as we know. 
This is something we covered in 

1008
00:48:25,980 --> 00:48:30,500
our episode on the Red Kraken in
free dance era, which he he 

1009
00:48:30,500 --> 00:48:31,500
what? 
He's not going to be born for 

1010
00:48:31,500 --> 00:48:34,220
another 100 years or so. 
But that's when the old way fell

1011
00:48:34,220 --> 00:48:38,220
out, returned under the dance 
because these laws were no 

1012
00:48:38,220 --> 00:48:41,670
longer enforced. 
So shutting down the old way 

1013
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:44,190
would have been huge for western
trade. 

1014
00:48:44,310 --> 00:48:47,110
Just no more piracy. 
Except, you know, there'd be a 

1015
00:48:47,110 --> 00:48:48,750
few holdouts that didn't obey 
the law. 

1016
00:48:48,750 --> 00:48:52,790
But this would be a giant change
from like state sanctioned 

1017
00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:56,550
piracy to the state made it 
illegal, right? 

1018
00:48:56,590 --> 00:48:58,190
That's a huge difference for 
them. 

1019
00:48:58,190 --> 00:48:59,950
So like, trade's going to flow a
lot more. 

1020
00:48:59,950 --> 00:49:02,150
Like smaller scale merchants 
could get going. 

1021
00:49:02,150 --> 00:49:04,390
They would not have to worry as 
much about having their ship 

1022
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:07,910
stolen and their entire 
livelihood lost to a a random 

1023
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:08,950
pirate. 
Just. 

1024
00:49:09,620 --> 00:49:11,500
Massive change in the outlook 
for the city. 

1025
00:49:12,500 --> 00:49:14,940
That's something that everyone, 
pretty much everyone in Old Town

1026
00:49:14,940 --> 00:49:17,660
would be thrilled about it. 
It was assuming they realized it

1027
00:49:17,660 --> 00:49:21,340
or assuming it was relevant to 
them, which to a lot of them it 

1028
00:49:21,340 --> 00:49:22,860
would be. 
And of course, landsports. 

1029
00:49:22,860 --> 00:49:24,540
Same deal for them. 
They're even closer to the Iron 

1030
00:49:24,540 --> 00:49:25,700
Islands. 
It might have mattered even more

1031
00:49:25,700 --> 00:49:29,940
to them. 
The royal house whore dynasty 

1032
00:49:29,940 --> 00:49:32,540
that built Heron Hall and was 
ruled the Iron Islands before 

1033
00:49:32,540 --> 00:49:37,940
Egon came, They were more 
concerned with landbased stuff. 

1034
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,440
Than prior Ironborn, which which
you could say, oh then they 

1035
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:41,480
probably didn't reduce much 
rate. 

1036
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,960
No that that probably means that
they didn't care. 

1037
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,920
That probably meant that the 
Iron Islanders back home were 

1038
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,360
let to do whatever they wanted 
which well, you've Ironborn to 

1039
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,360
do what they want and they will 
go rating. 

1040
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,680
So it's pretty simple I think. 
And it's not just the 

1041
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:00,640
implications in that region. 
This is a global impact on trade

1042
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,440
right. 
It would be just ships from 

1043
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,300
Essos would also be like. 
Not so. 

1044
00:50:06,340 --> 00:50:08,380
Not as dangerous as it used to 
be over there. 

1045
00:50:08,820 --> 00:50:10,500
Like the journey is still really
far. 

1046
00:50:10,500 --> 00:50:13,940
Sailing South of Thorn is still 
a little bit perilous, but a 

1047
00:50:13,940 --> 00:50:15,540
massive difference in the 
outlook. 

1048
00:50:15,540 --> 00:50:17,620
And you know, if you're 
considering it as like, well as 

1049
00:50:17,620 --> 00:50:20,500
it's worth it, it might 
completely change it from not 

1050
00:50:20,500 --> 00:50:25,900
worth it to worth it. 
And the people in charge of High

1051
00:50:25,900 --> 00:50:28,620
Tower, Lord Manford, his court, 
his entourage, people, they 

1052
00:50:28,620 --> 00:50:30,020
would. 
There's no way they didn't fail 

1053
00:50:30,020 --> 00:50:31,580
to notice this or see this 
coming. 

1054
00:50:31,860 --> 00:50:34,220
They would be aware of that 
change, like, oh, you shut down 

1055
00:50:34,220 --> 00:50:37,710
the Iron Born, did you? 
Well, yeah, that's great. 

1056
00:50:37,830 --> 00:50:39,590
So they just the rich get 
richer. 

1057
00:50:40,590 --> 00:50:43,230
But also some of the people who 
aren't rich got a little richer 

1058
00:50:43,230 --> 00:50:45,590
too. 
One of the way the rich are 

1059
00:50:45,590 --> 00:50:48,470
getting richer is through this 
increased stability, which also 

1060
00:50:48,470 --> 00:50:50,190
means the poor get richer and 
safer. 

1061
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:52,390
You know, like it said. 
This is a rising tide. 

1062
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:54,070
Lifts all boats kind of thing, 
Pun intended. 

1063
00:50:54,070 --> 00:50:57,430
Yeah. 
Except for the Ironborn, except 

1064
00:50:58,710 --> 00:51:01,670
for the ones with the boats. 
So yeah, except for the. 

1065
00:51:01,710 --> 00:51:04,030
It seems to me that generally 
speaking, the people that were 

1066
00:51:04,030 --> 00:51:07,250
like. 
More receptive to this where the

1067
00:51:07,250 --> 00:51:12,810
people that depended on trade 
and or were thinking forward 

1068
00:51:12,810 --> 00:51:16,410
about the future and or actually
cared about their people. 

1069
00:51:16,650 --> 00:51:19,970
Someone like the Ironborn are 
shortsighted and don't care 

1070
00:51:19,970 --> 00:51:23,290
about people and you know they 
just want to take stuff now. 

1071
00:51:23,650 --> 00:51:27,490
But Old Town centered around 
trade you know the land of 

1072
00:51:27,490 --> 00:51:29,770
support like all these other 
people were like we could either

1073
00:51:29,770 --> 00:51:33,730
have this strife and this 
conflict and this destruction. 

1074
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:40,280
Or we could have security and 
stability and peace. 

1075
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,640
And like it's almost like an 
easy decision. 

1076
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:44,960
You know, like even without the 
dragon, there's a lot to be 

1077
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:46,160
said. 
The dragon makes it more 

1078
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,320
obvious, right? 
For Dragons make it more 

1079
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,120
obvious. 
But even without that, it seems 

1080
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:54,120
like in the long run, the more 
established. 

1081
00:51:54,850 --> 00:51:56,850
And I'm going to say forward 
thinking. 

1082
00:51:56,970 --> 00:51:59,370
Or or I. 
Want to say moral, and it's not 

1083
00:51:59,370 --> 00:52:00,650
quite the right word I want to 
use. 

1084
00:52:00,650 --> 00:52:04,010
But like at the point where 
they're making decisions beyond 

1085
00:52:04,010 --> 00:52:07,090
like attack and don't start 
right at the point where you're 

1086
00:52:07,090 --> 00:52:09,970
making decisions about how do we
make our land better prepared 

1087
00:52:09,970 --> 00:52:12,210
for winter. 
How do we make our trade routes 

1088
00:52:12,210 --> 00:52:15,290
more safe with other entities. 
You know the those people are 

1089
00:52:15,290 --> 00:52:16,710
like. 
Yeah, of course we've been in 

1090
00:52:16,710 --> 00:52:18,270
any. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

1091
00:52:18,270 --> 00:52:20,230
Put our pry and ego aside. 
Yeah, you're right. 

1092
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:21,510
They would have seen the 
benefits. 

1093
00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:22,990
They were like, well, yeah, I 
could see how this would go 

1094
00:52:22,990 --> 00:52:25,550
badly for us. 
But the benefits are so strong. 

1095
00:52:25,550 --> 00:52:28,310
Like the negatives would have 
really have to be bigger than we

1096
00:52:28,310 --> 00:52:32,510
think they are for this not to 
be a windfall for them and in 

1097
00:52:32,510 --> 00:52:34,630
terms of influence at court. 
So of course, they would want to

1098
00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:36,990
make sure things stayed 
favorable to them. 

1099
00:52:36,990 --> 00:52:38,750
They would want to be like, 
yeah, let's make sure tax 

1100
00:52:38,750 --> 00:52:41,660
policies this and that. 
Maybe not a huge deal under 

1101
00:52:41,660 --> 00:52:45,180
Agon's reign, because Agon, his 
policy was to mostly let the 

1102
00:52:45,180 --> 00:52:48,740
individual regions carry on as 
they had before without 

1103
00:52:48,740 --> 00:52:50,860
codifying the laws there would. 
That eventually became a 

1104
00:52:50,860 --> 00:52:53,420
problem, and other kings had to 
deal with that, mostly to 

1105
00:52:53,420 --> 00:52:55,820
Harry's. 
But he dealt with it by not 

1106
00:52:55,820 --> 00:52:59,140
dealing with it by like let's 
let this transition be a little 

1107
00:52:59,140 --> 00:53:00,540
slower. 
We're not going to force all 

1108
00:53:00,540 --> 00:53:02,940
this change at once. 
Or maybe he just didn't see the 

1109
00:53:02,940 --> 00:53:07,980
benefit to it either way. 
His first small council didn't 

1110
00:53:07,980 --> 00:53:10,420
include any high towers that we 
know of. 

1111
00:53:10,540 --> 00:53:13,700
It's possible there were the 
Masters of Coin. 

1112
00:53:13,700 --> 00:53:15,460
His first 2 masters of Coin are 
complete unknown. 

1113
00:53:15,940 --> 00:53:18,020
There's a there's a chance there
was a high tower in there 

1114
00:53:18,020 --> 00:53:20,260
somewhere. 
Those super rich houses always 

1115
00:53:20,260 --> 00:53:22,900
seem to have the inside track on
the Master of Coin Job, although

1116
00:53:22,900 --> 00:53:27,340
there's obviously exceptions 
like Littlefinger, No King's 

1117
00:53:27,340 --> 00:53:29,580
Guard that we know of either. 
Until Gerald Hightower and 

1118
00:53:29,580 --> 00:53:32,060
that's way later obviously at 
the White Bull. 

1119
00:53:32,930 --> 00:53:37,970
Queen Rainey's did arrange the 
betrothal of one of the tarth 

1120
00:53:37,970 --> 00:53:39,970
triplets. 
There was tarth triplet girls 

1121
00:53:39,970 --> 00:53:42,450
born around this time, and one 
of those 3 married a Hightower 

1122
00:53:42,450 --> 00:53:46,130
son, which again, there's so 
many Hightower kids we don't 

1123
00:53:46,130 --> 00:53:48,810
know which Hightower kid this 
was, but that's something that 

1124
00:53:48,810 --> 00:53:51,530
the Iron Throne did a lot of 
early on was make these was 

1125
00:53:51,530 --> 00:53:54,930
doing a lot of marriage, 
brokering across Kingdom lines 

1126
00:53:54,930 --> 00:53:57,830
that normally weren't. 
Done like usually houses married

1127
00:53:57,830 --> 00:54:00,670
within their own region because,
well, these other regions were 

1128
00:54:00,670 --> 00:54:02,750
like separate countries to them,
and there wasn't as much to be 

1129
00:54:02,750 --> 00:54:06,590
gained in alliances with houses 
that are halfway across the 

1130
00:54:06,590 --> 00:54:08,710
continent. 
Well, here that's exactly what 

1131
00:54:08,710 --> 00:54:10,830
they were trying to make happen.
The Ironstone was doing that. 

1132
00:54:10,950 --> 00:54:13,830
You wonder if they tried to 
involve themselves in the other 

1133
00:54:13,830 --> 00:54:17,230
Hightower marriages, and if 
there was any sort of logic 

1134
00:54:17,230 --> 00:54:22,270
behind Tarth specifically as 
another island holding on the 

1135
00:54:22,270 --> 00:54:25,470
other side of the continent. 
Maybe there may have been some 

1136
00:54:25,470 --> 00:54:28,030
specific thinking here or maybe 
they were just trying to make as

1137
00:54:28,030 --> 00:54:31,670
many matches as they could from 
houses and that were didn't 

1138
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:36,750
share a Kingdom. 
And Lord Manfred's Fortunes, as 

1139
00:54:36,750 --> 00:54:39,070
good as all these things were, 
we talked about all these 

1140
00:54:39,070 --> 00:54:40,470
obvious benefits. 
We talked about why they 

1141
00:54:40,790 --> 00:54:44,310
probably engineered that vision 
because it's all seems so 

1142
00:54:44,310 --> 00:54:46,390
engineered because they, like 
you said, Sean, like the 

1143
00:54:46,390 --> 00:54:48,670
benefits to this arrangement are
just so obvious. 

1144
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,840
But they don't want to look like
cowards and they don't want to 

1145
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:53,960
go against the face. 
So, like, how do we do this Just

1146
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:55,640
right? 
But they know what their end 

1147
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:59,680
goal is, Bow to this new king 
and reap the rewards of it. 

1148
00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:02,560
And long term, arguably they 
did. 

1149
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,360
But in the short term there were
some big setbacks. 

1150
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,840
What looked like the great path 
forward had some serious bumps 

1151
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:12,240
in the road and those row and 
that road ran right through 

1152
00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:15,640
Dorn. 
The invasion of Dorn began in 

1153
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,400
four a C2. 
Things of immediate interest 

1154
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:22,270
come to mind here. 
One having so many children. 

1155
00:55:22,350 --> 00:55:24,630
We talked about how that's an 
advantage when you're marrying. 

1156
00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:26,390
You can marry make so many 
marriage alliances. 

1157
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:29,030
Occasionally it's it backfires 
because of entangling alliances.

1158
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:31,990
Like what happens with say, the 
phrase or some of these other 

1159
00:55:31,990 --> 00:55:34,470
cases. 
Or when you're allege is like 

1160
00:55:35,470 --> 00:55:39,510
it's time for war and you have 
to send ten children off to war 

1161
00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:41,950
or fight like you would rather 
not have so many children in war

1162
00:55:41,950 --> 00:55:45,590
at once 2. 
The issue of pride in the new 

1163
00:55:45,590 --> 00:55:48,270
Tyrell Lordship. 
Like you have this Lord Harlan 

1164
00:55:48,270 --> 00:55:51,870
Tyrell leading the reach armies 
in the Dorn with the high towers

1165
00:55:51,870 --> 00:55:56,590
Be like chafing under having 
their soldiers led by a Tyrell. 

1166
00:55:56,870 --> 00:56:00,750
Maybe not, maybe I make too much
out of that, but we do hear that

1167
00:56:00,750 --> 00:56:03,670
there was chafing under Tyrell 
leadership and the high towers 

1168
00:56:03,670 --> 00:56:07,270
is are the most prestigious 
house in the Reach, even more so

1169
00:56:07,270 --> 00:56:10,630
than the Tyrells at this point. 
So if anyone's pride is ruffled,

1170
00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:13,270
it's a good place to start is 
with the high towers. 

1171
00:56:14,550 --> 00:56:17,110
You're more likely to have that 
chafing the more people are 

1172
00:56:17,110 --> 00:56:19,710
involved. 
Some of it is going to depend on

1173
00:56:19,710 --> 00:56:22,190
the personalities of the people 
involved or whatever. 

1174
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:26,510
So if you have two sons and 
they're both like reasonable, 

1175
00:56:26,510 --> 00:56:30,830
even keeled, educated, you know.
But if you have seven sons and 

1176
00:56:30,830 --> 00:56:34,790
one of them is a loudmouthed 
arrogant, you know, yeah, that 

1177
00:56:34,870 --> 00:56:37,390
guy's going to get his ruffles, 
his his ruffles feathered. 

1178
00:56:37,390 --> 00:56:42,190
His ruffles feathered. 
Yes, if there was ruffled pride.

1179
00:56:42,190 --> 00:56:45,660
Pride ruffled here. 
Then it would have gotten worse 

1180
00:56:46,020 --> 00:56:48,340
given how things went. 
Dorn like they wouldn't have 

1181
00:56:48,420 --> 00:56:51,140
looked and like, well, he sure 
did a good job with losing the 

1182
00:56:51,140 --> 00:56:54,100
entire army in the desert, you 
know, because that is what 

1183
00:56:54,100 --> 00:56:55,300
happened. 
This is that Lord, this is the 

1184
00:56:55,500 --> 00:56:58,420
scorpion canopy Lord that was 
killed this way. 

1185
00:56:58,420 --> 00:57:01,420
So they're probably high. 
I did it again, high tower 

1186
00:57:01,620 --> 00:57:04,340
soldiers in this host. 
It was a large host and I can't 

1187
00:57:04,340 --> 00:57:06,100
imagine the high towers didn't 
supply any of it. 

1188
00:57:06,100 --> 00:57:09,140
It was like it was like 20-30 
thousand men, like none of them 

1189
00:57:09,140 --> 00:57:11,540
came from Old Town. 
That seems super unlikely. 

1190
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,120
There was probably like officers
and lesser lordlings in that 

1191
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:19,120
host and they all, just as we'll
see shortly, they just all died.

1192
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:23,400
And this is also a host that 
struggled through the prince's 

1193
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,320
past. 
It was brutal and and difficult.

1194
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,920
And then the desert itself 
before getting to Hell Hole 

1195
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,400
before everyone banished in the 
desert. 

1196
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,360
So it was bad before it got 
worse. 

1197
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,800
And the high towers that were in
that host would have suffered 

1198
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,560
along with the rest. 
So what happens of course, since

1199
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:43,710
the darnish didn't fight back. 
The way that Westerossi normally

1200
00:57:43,710 --> 00:57:44,910
do. 
They engaged in guerrilla 

1201
00:57:44,910 --> 00:57:46,870
warfare and ambushes and all 
this stuff. 

1202
00:57:47,110 --> 00:57:50,110
Aegon, decide, OK, we won. 
They we went to Sunspear. 

1203
00:57:50,110 --> 00:57:52,150
No one stopped us. 
So that means we won, right? 

1204
00:57:53,550 --> 00:57:56,670
No, but for a while, that's what
they told people. 

1205
00:57:57,390 --> 00:58:00,790
And of course he appointed A 
variety of nondarnish Lords to 

1206
00:58:00,790 --> 00:58:02,390
rule Dawn. 
Apparently none of them were 

1207
00:58:02,390 --> 00:58:03,990
high towers. 
Good for the high towers, 

1208
00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:05,390
because that's obviously didn't 
go well. 

1209
00:58:05,390 --> 00:58:09,190
Like all of them were murdered. 
So the high towers escaped that 

1210
00:58:09,190 --> 00:58:12,030
fate. 
So that phase of the war maybe 

1211
00:58:12,030 --> 00:58:13,670
wasn't too bad for the 
Hightowers. 

1212
00:58:14,070 --> 00:58:16,390
Maybe it was because of the 
soldier, the unnamed soldiers 

1213
00:58:16,390 --> 00:58:19,070
that we still know about. 
The second phase of the war was 

1214
00:58:19,270 --> 00:58:24,830
definitely terrible for House 
Hightower during the progression

1215
00:58:24,830 --> 00:58:26,350
of this war. 
Another item of note is the 

1216
00:58:26,350 --> 00:58:28,910
creation of the position of Gran
Maester. 

1217
00:58:29,430 --> 00:58:31,630
That position didn't exist 
before, of course, why would it 

1218
00:58:31,630 --> 00:58:33,510
have? 
There was no central Royal 

1219
00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:36,630
Court. 
Of course, this is right up the 

1220
00:58:36,630 --> 00:58:38,990
Hightowers alley, They already 
have this huge influence over 

1221
00:58:38,990 --> 00:58:41,610
the citadel. 
The Grand Maester is chosen by 

1222
00:58:41,610 --> 00:58:46,610
the Archmaesters. 
If you think that the Lord of 

1223
00:58:46,610 --> 00:58:49,770
the Hightower isn't going to, 
like, stick his finger in this 

1224
00:58:49,770 --> 00:58:51,970
voting process, well, I've got a
bridge to sell you. 

1225
00:58:51,970 --> 00:58:54,050
I mean, certainly some of them 
probably did and some of them 

1226
00:58:54,050 --> 00:58:56,650
probably didn't care, but 
there's if they wanted to 

1227
00:58:56,650 --> 00:58:59,410
influence the choice, they 
probably did right? 

1228
00:59:00,250 --> 00:59:02,810
And they may have even came up 
with the idea of this position 

1229
00:59:02,810 --> 00:59:05,010
like, you know, we need, we need
a Maester. 

1230
00:59:05,950 --> 00:59:08,510
A maester above the other 
maesters to advise the king. 

1231
00:59:08,510 --> 00:59:09,830
We've got one for all the like 
this. 

1232
00:59:09,910 --> 00:59:12,670
Someone had this idea. 
It may have come from the high 

1233
00:59:12,670 --> 00:59:14,550
towers or maybe just came 
straight from the citadel like 

1234
00:59:14,550 --> 00:59:16,150
that. 
Makes sense, but could have been

1235
00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:18,670
a joint creation of the two, you
know? 

1236
00:59:19,270 --> 00:59:24,950
Wherever the idea came from, and
however genuine or unbiased 

1237
00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:28,590
different leaders would try to 
be, there would still be this 

1238
00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:30,870
passive influence coming 
through. 

1239
00:59:30,870 --> 00:59:32,990
All of it, right there, There 
still would be. 

1240
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,320
Old Town and the Citadel are 
still so tied together that even

1241
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,880
if someone else came up with the
idea of someone else, someone 

1242
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:40,400
from the Citadel should be the 
Grandmaster. 

1243
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,480
And whoever's in charge of old 
towns and you guys decide I 

1244
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,120
don't want any part of it. 
There's still people in the 

1245
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,880
Citadel that are going to be and
have been their whole life 

1246
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:53,120
influenced by old towns. 
Even people trying their best to

1247
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:56,000
be genuine and stay out of it 
and do whatever's best. 

1248
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,000
Just do the right thing. 
There will still be this 

1249
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,420
influence. 
And and you know, there's not 

1250
01:00:00,420 --> 01:00:04,380
everyone being purely stepped 
back, genuine, honest about it. 

1251
01:00:05,100 --> 01:00:07,460
So I guess this would have 
happened around the same time 

1252
01:00:07,460 --> 01:00:10,300
when Agon declares victory over 
Dorn is around the same time the

1253
01:00:10,300 --> 01:00:11,900
position of Grandmaster was 
created. 

1254
01:00:12,100 --> 01:00:13,980
And that's also when Doran 
erupted. 

1255
01:00:14,020 --> 01:00:16,620
Like basically when Agon gets 
back to King's Landing, maybe 

1256
01:00:16,860 --> 01:00:20,260
meets his new Grandmaster. 
Just as that's happening, Dorn 

1257
01:00:20,540 --> 01:00:24,580
rises up, murders all the people
appointed to rule over them, and

1258
01:00:24,580 --> 01:00:28,500
kicks out slash murders the 
Garrisons held but to rule over 

1259
01:00:28,500 --> 01:00:31,250
them. 
That's when Lord Tyrell moved 

1260
01:00:31,250 --> 01:00:33,450
out of the Hellholt. 
His army vanishes. 

1261
01:00:33,930 --> 01:00:36,210
And then four or five more years
later, this is going to have 

1262
01:00:36,210 --> 01:00:40,610
consequences because the 
Hellholt is going to be more the

1263
01:00:40,610 --> 01:00:42,570
site of more failure for the 
Iron Throne. 

1264
01:00:43,050 --> 01:00:50,410
In 10 A/C, Lord Fowler emerged 
from the Prince's past to attack

1265
01:00:50,410 --> 01:00:53,690
Knights Song, the Castle Knights
Song and captured it. 

1266
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:58,200
Lord Manfred of you know, 
Hightower Lord not. 

1267
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,600
It's kind of far from 
Knightsong, but not so far that 

1268
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,040
he apparently had some 
responsibility here. 

1269
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:07,120
He dispatched his heir, Sir 
Adam, with a large army to 

1270
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:09,920
retake it, and it was a huge 
failure. 

1271
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:13,320
By the time Sir Adam arrived 
with his army, the castle had 

1272
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:16,040
already been burned, all the 
nobles have been taken hostage, 

1273
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:19,760
and Lord Fowler had returned to 
Doran already. 

1274
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:23,480
He was already back through the 
prince's past meanwhile. 

1275
01:01:23,950 --> 01:01:27,310
This appeared to be maybe a a, a
faint or an arranged maneuver 

1276
01:01:27,470 --> 01:01:30,430
because as these troops were 
drawn off the Night Song Lord or

1277
01:01:30,430 --> 01:01:34,710
Sir Joffrey Dane emerges from 
the Red Mountains presumably 

1278
01:01:34,710 --> 01:01:37,950
from some secret passes because 
it's not the Prince's Pass of 

1279
01:01:37,950 --> 01:01:39,470
the Bone Way. 
There must be some way. 

1280
01:01:40,350 --> 01:01:43,310
There's a lot of mountains 
between Starfall and Old Town. 

1281
01:01:43,390 --> 01:01:44,790
There's got to be some ways 
through. 

1282
01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:47,630
And if you're a local you might 
know the ways they might have. 

1283
01:01:47,670 --> 01:01:49,190
Don't. 
Yeah, she has got the map up if 

1284
01:01:49,190 --> 01:01:51,470
you if you're watching on video 
or watching the video. 

1285
01:01:52,060 --> 01:01:54,980
Elsewhere, looking at the map 
yourself, you can see it's it's 

1286
01:01:55,220 --> 01:01:58,980
there's no obvious way through, 
but there is a way through 

1287
01:01:59,100 --> 01:02:00,740
clearly because that's what 
happened here. 

1288
01:02:01,620 --> 01:02:04,580
So they pillaged the surrounding
towns and farms. 

1289
01:02:04,580 --> 01:02:08,660
They didn't have enough manpower
to take Old Town itself, which 

1290
01:02:08,660 --> 01:02:11,780
is not surprising. 
Old Town is a severe and large 

1291
01:02:11,780 --> 01:02:14,660
place and this is an army that 
emerged from the mountains. 

1292
01:02:14,660 --> 01:02:17,940
So it's, you know, it's not a 
giant host, but. 

1293
01:02:18,420 --> 01:02:19,700
Lord Manfred had to do 
something. 

1294
01:02:19,700 --> 01:02:23,860
He couldn't just allow this host
to run around and destroy the 

1295
01:02:23,860 --> 01:02:26,300
countryside, so he dispatched 
his others. 

1296
01:02:26,300 --> 01:02:29,580
One of his other sons, this was 
Garmin, and Garmin went to 

1297
01:02:29,580 --> 01:02:33,820
confront Sir Joffrey now. 
But remember, most of the army 

1298
01:02:34,020 --> 01:02:36,300
of Old Town was away at night 
song. 

1299
01:02:37,060 --> 01:02:40,820
So Sir Joffrey Dane did not turn
and run. 

1300
01:02:41,100 --> 01:02:43,980
Instead he faced the High Tower 
sorting quote. 

1301
01:02:45,550 --> 01:02:48,230
All towns walls prove too strong
for the doornish to overcome. 

1302
01:02:48,550 --> 01:02:51,950
The Dane burn fields, farms and 
villages for 20 leagues around 

1303
01:02:51,950 --> 01:02:55,310
the city and slew Lord 
Hightower's younger son Garmin 

1304
01:02:55,470 --> 01:02:56,910
and the boy led a sword against.
Him. 

1305
01:02:56,910 --> 01:03:00,950
So apparently Joffrey slew 
Garmin personally, which, I 

1306
01:03:00,950 --> 01:03:04,390
mean, that's pretty nasty. 
So this is just when they 

1307
01:03:04,390 --> 01:03:05,990
thought they were done with 
raiding, right? 

1308
01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:08,550
The Ironborn are are cut off 
from raiding them. 

1309
01:03:08,550 --> 01:03:10,830
But here comes the doornish, you
know, but the doornish in this 

1310
01:03:10,830 --> 01:03:13,470
case were provoked by the same 
people they just bent the knee 

1311
01:03:13,470 --> 01:03:14,030
to. 
So it's. 

1312
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:17,120
You can't. 
I mean, I'm not saying Joffrey's

1313
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:20,040
a good guy here for burning the 
farms and villages of innocent 

1314
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:24,720
people, but the Seven Kingdoms 
are the aggressors here pretty 

1315
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:28,960
clearly, right? 
As for Sir Adam, he didn't do 

1316
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,160
the dumb thing. 
He didn't run into dorm with his

1317
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:34,640
army trying to recover these 
hostages and punish this army 

1318
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:36,720
that that would have been pretty
foolish. 

1319
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:41,240
He tried to run back to Old Town
to try to confront. 

1320
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,640
Sir Joffrey who had just killed 
his brother because he got news 

1321
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:48,280
of that like a rider ran up the 
road and told him about this. 

1322
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:50,520
He moved quickly to run back to 
Old Town. 

1323
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:56,080
But of course Joffrey knew again
this was probably planned. 

1324
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:58,880
They knew that the army had been
drawn away tonight song and this

1325
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:00,560
was enabled Joffrey to make his 
move. 

1326
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:05,400
So once that the larger force is
moving back to Old Town, well, 

1327
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:07,000
Joffrey's everything. 
Now it's time to get the hell 

1328
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:10,240
out of here through our secret 
mountain passes and. 

1329
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:15,400
Yeah, so spies and scouting and 
planning really worked for the 

1330
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:17,800
Dornish here. 
They really fooled the high 

1331
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:20,440
towers and then got them to move
their men away and attacked 

1332
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,040
while they were weak. 
And yeah, just to they got own. 

1333
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:25,840
They got really out thought 
here, outmaneuvered badly. 

1334
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:27,880
Intelligence. 
The value of a battlefield 

1335
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,360
intelligence, right? 
Now it may just be a 

1336
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:35,080
coincidence, but maybe Lord 
Manfred felt responsible, felt 

1337
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,320
the loss of his son. 
You know, it may have. 

1338
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,720
He may have thought like his 
decision making was the reason 

1339
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:42,480
for that. 
Maybe his son wasn't ready for 

1340
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,760
this responsibility. 
Maybe he felt guilty. 

1341
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:46,520
Who knows. 
Either way, he died within 

1342
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:49,680
within the year. 
So it may have, just may have 

1343
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:53,000
been completely unrelated. 
But yeah, this couldn't have 

1344
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,800
helped his outlook, his 
disposition, his stress level, 

1345
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:59,880
etcetera. 
So Adam, who had run a wild 

1346
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:04,120
goose chase trying to chase down
Darnish Raiders, became the new 

1347
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:07,160
Lord of the Hightower and Old 
Town was presumably. 

1348
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:10,960
Angry for revenge against the 
Darnish, particularly Starfall, 

1349
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,800
even though even though Dorn 
wasn't the aggressor, they kind 

1350
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:17,600
of were in this sub theater of 
the war because they did invade.

1351
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:19,600
Kind of kind of counter invasion
you could call it. 

1352
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:22,680
And they did get it. 
They got their revenge. 

1353
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:25,800
Not directly, not by their own 
hand, but Vasenia brought Vagar 

1354
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:27,760
to Starfall and gave it a good 
baking. 

1355
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:31,120
Wasn't as vicious as Valerian 
burning hair and all because 

1356
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:32,800
Vagar's flames don't burn as 
hot. 

1357
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:37,280
It didn't melt the castle, but 
that happened so. 

1358
01:05:37,860 --> 01:05:39,340
Nina writes. 
That's really important. 

1359
01:05:39,460 --> 01:05:42,340
It's really important the feudal
relationship, the the overlord 

1360
01:05:42,340 --> 01:05:46,060
and vassal connection. 
While you're supposed to punish 

1361
01:05:46,060 --> 01:05:49,180
the people that attacked you, 
your feudal Lord is supposed to 

1362
01:05:50,100 --> 01:05:52,020
you hand over the keys to 
violence to them. 

1363
01:05:52,460 --> 01:05:54,980
They're allowed to do that. 
They're supposed to be the ones 

1364
01:05:54,980 --> 01:05:57,420
that handle justice and and 
things like this. 

1365
01:05:57,660 --> 01:06:03,980
So burning Starfall might have 
seemed like sufficient payback 

1366
01:06:04,260 --> 01:06:06,420
for what had happened to them, 
but. 

1367
01:06:06,950 --> 01:06:10,630
Things only got worse on the 
revenge side for the Targaryens 

1368
01:06:10,630 --> 01:06:14,390
because Meraxis was shot down 
over the Hellholt, the site that

1369
01:06:14,550 --> 01:06:17,790
the Tyrells had on lockdown for 
a little while there, and of 

1370
01:06:17,790 --> 01:06:21,310
course Rainey's and went down 
with Meraxis and they were never

1371
01:06:21,550 --> 01:06:26,190
heard of again. 
No word on if Sir Joffrey was 

1372
01:06:26,190 --> 01:06:30,830
ever killed or if he lived out 
his life normally or what 

1373
01:06:30,830 --> 01:06:32,990
happened, so he he may have 
gotten away with it. 

1374
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:35,640
It's an outside possibility. 
He was a Sword of the Morning 

1375
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:37,160
that you kind of think that 
would have been mentioned. 

1376
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:39,920
The reason I bring this up, even
though it's not really related 

1377
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:43,000
to the high tower stuff, is you 
would like this guy burned 

1378
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:44,200
villages and stuff. 
How could he be? 

1379
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:46,080
Sort of. 
Come on, y'all got to be a 

1380
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:50,160
little more cynical. 
Human beings vote for who the 

1381
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,840
Sword of the Morning is that 
human beings can do all sorts 

1382
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:54,970
of. 
Stuff, you know, like they don't

1383
01:06:55,010 --> 01:06:58,810
have to and they can be a 
coerced into choosing this guy. 

1384
01:06:58,810 --> 01:07:00,730
You could have. 
I think we're going to see that 

1385
01:07:00,730 --> 01:07:02,410
in a song about this fire. 
I think we're going to see Dark 

1386
01:07:02,410 --> 01:07:04,690
Star Sees Dawn. 
You're like, Yep, I'm sort of 

1387
01:07:04,690 --> 01:07:06,210
the morning and what are you 
going to do about it? 

1388
01:07:06,210 --> 01:07:10,170
You know, the King's Guard, 
ostensibly or perfectly. 

1389
01:07:10,210 --> 01:07:11,890
Symbol. 
And you know, nightly. 

1390
01:07:12,210 --> 01:07:14,850
And yet we know they are not 
consistently or not. 

1391
01:07:14,970 --> 01:07:17,810
We have literally an undead 
monster is in the King's Guard 

1392
01:07:17,810 --> 01:07:19,570
now. 
I mean, she's like, come on. 

1393
01:07:21,130 --> 01:07:22,970
Maybe Joffrey was a dead undead 
monster. 

1394
01:07:24,290 --> 01:07:27,570
Yeah, sure. 
Yeah, it's possible, right? 

1395
01:07:27,610 --> 01:07:31,170
Yeah. 
So regardless of whether Lord 

1396
01:07:31,170 --> 01:07:33,610
Adams felt like that was 
sufficient vengeance for his 

1397
01:07:33,610 --> 01:07:37,690
brother or not, we don't know. 
Or just if enough had been done 

1398
01:07:37,690 --> 01:07:41,210
to Dorn. 
I mean, Dorn was messed up by 

1399
01:07:41,450 --> 01:07:44,890
all the burnings of the the 
Dragons, so it's hard to say 

1400
01:07:44,890 --> 01:07:46,290
that they weren't sufficiently 
punished. 

1401
01:07:46,290 --> 01:07:48,370
But you never know. 
Again, humans have a large 

1402
01:07:48,370 --> 01:07:51,470
capacity for revenge. 
Either way, the war ended three 

1403
01:07:51,470 --> 01:07:54,950
years later when Aegon just gave
up the war after getting that 

1404
01:07:54,950 --> 01:07:58,750
mysterious letter that caused 
him to say all right, he got 

1405
01:07:58,750 --> 01:08:01,710
real frustrated, went, flew back
to Dragonstone, came back and 

1406
01:08:01,710 --> 01:08:05,230
was like all right, no more war,
No no high towers are mentioned 

1407
01:08:05,230 --> 01:08:09,590
at court when that happened. 
Still, whether they wanted 

1408
01:08:09,630 --> 01:08:12,470
revenge or not, or whether they 
felt satisfied, this is the the 

1409
01:08:12,470 --> 01:08:14,230
quote that describes that 
moment. 

1410
01:08:15,310 --> 01:08:19,109
The Dornish victory if victory 
it was. 

1411
01:08:19,540 --> 01:08:23,700
Was seen to be dishonorable, and
the survivors of the fight, and 

1412
01:08:23,700 --> 01:08:27,340
the sons and brothers of those 
who had fallen, promised one 

1413
01:08:27,340 --> 01:08:31,500
another that another day would 
come, and with it a reckoning. 

1414
01:08:32,220 --> 01:08:36,260
Their vengeance would need to 
wait for a future generation and

1415
01:08:36,260 --> 01:08:40,020
the accession of a younger, more
bloodthirsty king. 

1416
01:08:40,620 --> 01:08:45,060
Though he would set the Iron 
Throne for another 20-4 years, 

1417
01:08:45,380 --> 01:08:48,500
the Dornish conflict was egg on 
the conquerors. 

1418
01:08:48,890 --> 01:08:52,130
Last war. 
So whether or not they got 

1419
01:08:52,130 --> 01:08:54,290
enough vengeance, they certainly
got extended peace. 

1420
01:08:54,290 --> 01:08:58,170
And that's a pretty valuable 
especially in this new raid, 

1421
01:08:58,250 --> 01:09:01,410
nearly raid free environment, no
Dornish raids, no iron born 

1422
01:09:01,410 --> 01:09:02,970
raid, nothing, at least nothing 
on a large scale. 

1423
01:09:02,970 --> 01:09:04,649
Surely there were some 
exceptions here and there, but 

1424
01:09:04,649 --> 01:09:08,930
nothing that would cause a, you 
know, policy changes or anything

1425
01:09:08,930 --> 01:09:13,970
like that at this phase if we 
jump forward to the year 25. 

1426
01:09:14,550 --> 01:09:17,630
This is when we know King's 
Landing had was growing fast. 

1427
01:09:17,630 --> 01:09:20,670
It was already the third largest
city by this point. 

1428
01:09:20,670 --> 01:09:23,790
So still Old Town was larger by 
this point. 

1429
01:09:23,790 --> 01:09:26,630
Old Town could probably see the 
writing on the wall and was like

1430
01:09:27,229 --> 01:09:29,870
this new this King's Landing is 
going to surpass us, whether 

1431
01:09:29,870 --> 01:09:32,069
that bothered them or not. 
Like it's it's probably not a 

1432
01:09:32,069 --> 01:09:34,189
big deal. 
Like it's a small point of pride

1433
01:09:34,189 --> 01:09:36,710
maybe. 
I doubt it was a huge problem. 

1434
01:09:36,710 --> 01:09:39,550
You know a bigger city to them 
that might be even a benefit 

1435
01:09:39,550 --> 01:09:41,310
like we talked about earlier. 
I might just be more trade that 

1436
01:09:41,310 --> 01:09:43,350
might actually be good for them.
I'm not. 

1437
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:46,040
An expert on this sort of thing,
but I think it's a good thing. 

1438
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:48,560
Even though even though some 
pride may have been involved, 

1439
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:51,080
ultimately it's probably good 
for them. 

1440
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:58,680
I also feel like a city is old 
and wealthy and educated as them

1441
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:01,840
might recognize that we're at 
capacity, like we don't 

1442
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:05,160
necessarily have the land or 
food for more people. 

1443
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:07,520
You know, a good job if you can 
make more, but we're at 

1444
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:09,320
capacity. 
We are at capacity. 

1445
01:10:12,020 --> 01:10:14,260
Yep. 
So Lord Adam had two children of

1446
01:10:14,260 --> 01:10:17,780
note, perhaps only two children 
total, though we don't even know

1447
01:10:17,860 --> 01:10:20,900
who he married. 
So there's just some unknowns 

1448
01:10:20,900 --> 01:10:21,340
here. 
A few. 

1449
01:10:21,340 --> 01:10:23,540
These two kids that we do know 
of are very interesting though. 

1450
01:10:23,620 --> 01:10:27,780
The elder was Patrice Patrice 
Hightower, and she has a lot in 

1451
01:10:27,780 --> 01:10:31,460
common with the current, A 
current member of House 

1452
01:10:31,460 --> 01:10:33,500
Hightower. 
That is Melora Melora, who is 

1453
01:10:33,500 --> 01:10:36,460
called Melora the Mad Maid. 
What they have in common is 

1454
01:10:36,460 --> 01:10:39,080
both. 
Being the eldest, Although I'm 

1455
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:41,000
not sure if Melora's the eldest 
or just the eldest daughter. 

1456
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:45,240
Patrice is actually the eldest 
and they're both rumored to be 

1457
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:48,320
involved in sorcery. 
They're both maidens, which only

1458
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:52,520
enhances their reputation as 
using magic because of all these

1459
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:56,640
superstitions that you have to 
be a virgin to practice magic, 

1460
01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:00,280
which is a tradition rooted in 
some real world superstitions 

1461
01:11:01,440 --> 01:11:07,780
and Melora is. 
Supposedly helping her father 

1462
01:11:07,780 --> 01:11:11,140
research books and spells to 
deal with these Ironborn raids. 

1463
01:11:11,140 --> 01:11:13,820
So Patrice wouldn't have had 
that issue since the Ironborn 

1464
01:11:13,820 --> 01:11:16,180
had stopped. 
But all these things they have 

1465
01:11:16,180 --> 01:11:18,860
in common. 
The son that Adam had was 

1466
01:11:18,860 --> 01:11:22,220
another Manfred, so he named his
son after his father, and that 

1467
01:11:22,220 --> 01:11:24,940
Manfred also became Lord. 
He was the next Lord after Adam,

1468
01:11:24,940 --> 01:11:28,860
but we aren't quite there yet. 
It's possible this Manfred was 

1469
01:11:28,860 --> 01:11:32,140
the one who married the tarth 
triplet, though certainly don't 

1470
01:11:32,140 --> 01:11:35,180
have a lot of possibilities 
there Manfred had. 

1471
01:11:35,460 --> 01:11:38,940
The second Lord Manford had sons
Martin and Morgan, as well as a 

1472
01:11:38,940 --> 01:11:42,380
daughter named Cyrese. 
Cyrese might ring a bell because

1473
01:11:42,380 --> 01:11:45,740
she is pretty famous. 
You'll see why in a moment if 

1474
01:11:45,740 --> 01:11:48,100
you don't already know. 
And again, probably some other 

1475
01:11:48,100 --> 01:11:50,380
of the unnamed children. 
These high towers, as fertile as

1476
01:11:50,380 --> 01:11:52,740
they are, but they don't all 
make the history books. 

1477
01:11:53,460 --> 01:11:57,900
There were seven different high 
septons during Aegons 36 to 37 

1478
01:11:57,900 --> 01:12:00,300
year reign. 
All of them apparently stayed on

1479
01:12:00,300 --> 01:12:02,740
good terms with him, which 
likely benefited the high 

1480
01:12:02,740 --> 01:12:04,660
towers. 
That may have been in part 

1481
01:12:04,660 --> 01:12:07,580
because of the high towers. 
They may have been like get 

1482
01:12:07,580 --> 01:12:10,420
along with him, just we need you
to get along with the king. 

1483
01:12:10,420 --> 01:12:12,300
You can see why it would be good
for us. 

1484
01:12:12,300 --> 01:12:14,140
Like, don't don't be too 
religious. 

1485
01:12:17,340 --> 01:12:20,540
People, they would get along 
with him in the 1st place, coach

1486
01:12:20,540 --> 01:12:22,020
them on how to get along with 
him. 

1487
01:12:22,020 --> 01:12:24,140
Once they're in position, are 
substance. 

1488
01:12:24,140 --> 01:12:26,580
Position for life did all seven 
of them. 

1489
01:12:27,090 --> 01:12:28,650
Die and get replaced or is there
some? 

1490
01:12:29,090 --> 01:12:29,690
Yeah. 
They are. 

1491
01:12:29,690 --> 01:12:32,130
It's like it's like the Pope or 
whatever, where you don't you 

1492
01:12:32,130 --> 01:12:34,370
you're not you only it's a 
position you hold till you die. 

1493
01:12:34,370 --> 01:12:37,050
I like king scarves that 
although there's probably been a

1494
01:12:37,050 --> 01:12:40,050
few exceptions where someone got
booted, I can't think of any. 

1495
01:12:40,330 --> 01:12:43,090
I mean for the King's Guard I 
can well I can think of B1 

1496
01:12:43,090 --> 01:12:46,970
example, but I can't think of 
any examples of a High Septon 

1497
01:12:46,970 --> 01:12:50,850
being booted before his time, 
except also in a song by some 

1498
01:12:50,850 --> 01:12:52,890
fire when the High Sparrows 
people just like. 

1499
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:55,800
Interrupted the choosing, so 
maybe even technically the new 

1500
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:57,640
high stepped in. 
Hadn't been chosen yet. 

1501
01:12:57,760 --> 01:12:59,480
Anyway, that's that's the other 
here nor there. 

1502
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:03,840
It just seems like that's a lot 
to die in that span of time. 

1503
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:06,080
Well, they're usually old in the
1st place because it's usually 

1504
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:07,240
like you know, but still, you're
right. 

1505
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:10,360
Maybe they're picking older 
people, but I I also wonder if 

1506
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:13,320
maybe some of them weren't 
playing ball and got some poison

1507
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:16,280
in their wine or whatever. 
Possible, but it says they all. 

1508
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:19,440
There was no animosity between 
them so if that but that could 

1509
01:13:19,440 --> 01:13:20,760
have been covered up, they may 
have just. 

1510
01:13:21,470 --> 01:13:23,430
Poisoned quickly. 
But they're also chosen by vote.

1511
01:13:23,430 --> 01:13:26,590
It's not like they're just like 
the oldest guy gets nominated so

1512
01:13:26,590 --> 01:13:29,430
that the voting process that 
would have been concerned with 

1513
01:13:29,430 --> 01:13:32,030
that. 
Pleasing the king before 

1514
01:13:32,030 --> 01:13:35,510
choosing him, not after now. 
There's always the chance of you

1515
01:13:35,510 --> 01:13:37,910
elect someone that says all the 
right things and then they 

1516
01:13:37,910 --> 01:13:39,270
completely flip on you and do 
with it. 

1517
01:13:39,270 --> 01:13:41,150
Like we've all seen that happen 
in the real world. 

1518
01:13:41,350 --> 01:13:44,150
We've all seen politicians break
like all their promises. 

1519
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:48,120
Only Nixon could go to China. 
You know, that's We got to keep 

1520
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:50,040
that in mind. 
A healthy dose of cynicism 

1521
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:52,840
always, always comes in handy 
here, always seems appropriate. 

1522
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:59,120
Now, one of those high septons 
did object, though there wasn't.

1523
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:01,640
It wasn't like it was all smooth
sailing entirely. 

1524
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:04,120
They stayed on good terms, but 
it wasn't like they didn't have 

1525
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:07,400
conflict. 
One of them objected. 

1526
01:14:08,110 --> 01:14:10,230
To the notion of Megor marrying 
Rayna. 

1527
01:14:10,350 --> 01:14:12,990
Now remember, let's Megor uncle 
of Rayna. 

1528
01:14:13,230 --> 01:14:15,910
Megor didn't have, didn't have 
any living children of his own, 

1529
01:14:16,870 --> 01:14:20,350
but his older brother, a nice, 
had plenty of kids. 

1530
01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:25,310
So what is the High Septon say? 
He says we object to Rayna 

1531
01:14:25,310 --> 01:14:27,150
marrying Megor, we're against 
incest. 

1532
01:14:27,550 --> 01:14:34,830
Why not marry my niece instead? 
My niece Cerise Hightower and 

1533
01:14:34,830 --> 01:14:37,870
this was accepted, they were 
like, yes, okay, let's do that. 

1534
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:40,960
This kind of shows that Agon was
like he was interested in a 

1535
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:42,800
Hightower marriage but not to 
himself. 

1536
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:44,120
So he's like, yeah, let's do 
that. 

1537
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:48,480
He had the Hightower marriage to
the junior branch of his family 

1538
01:14:48,480 --> 01:14:50,880
because a nice branch is the one
that was going to inherit throne

1539
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:55,640
or so he thought, well, a nice 
branch didn't inherit but his 

1540
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:59,120
kids didn't. 
That's super interesting because

1541
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:02,360
that's whoever Lord Manfred 
Mary, we don't know who his wife

1542
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:03,960
was. 
It's the same house that this 

1543
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:06,960
high stepping came from because 
that's his series is his niece 

1544
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:08,620
so. 
We can make that connection. 

1545
01:15:09,420 --> 01:15:11,060
So they got their connection to 
the royal family. 

1546
01:15:11,060 --> 01:15:14,900
It wasn't through the main line,
but it still was a big deal. 

1547
01:15:15,180 --> 01:15:17,500
Megor wasn't in the line of 
succession, but he was 

1548
01:15:17,500 --> 01:15:19,300
eventually handed the king to 
Amy. 

1549
01:15:19,300 --> 01:15:21,460
So there's a lot of, you know, 
he was a great warrior, one of 

1550
01:15:21,460 --> 01:15:25,500
the finest Knights in the realm.
And Cerise married Megor, so she

1551
01:15:25,500 --> 01:15:30,100
was 23 and he was 13. 
That's important, not because of

1552
01:15:30,100 --> 01:15:32,420
the age capital that's relevant,
but because. 

1553
01:15:32,730 --> 01:15:35,210
People didn't know what Meg or 
was yet. 

1554
01:15:35,210 --> 01:15:36,530
They didn't know what they were 
dealing with. 

1555
01:15:36,530 --> 01:15:40,370
The full like the his, his inner
psychopath hadn't fully 

1556
01:15:40,370 --> 01:15:42,450
manifested yet. 
They were the red flags. 

1557
01:15:43,050 --> 01:15:44,690
But those were mostly kept under
wraps. 

1558
01:15:44,690 --> 01:15:46,650
Like people didn't necessarily 
know that he'd already like 

1559
01:15:47,210 --> 01:15:50,770
killed a horse and a nearly 
killed a stable boy that, you 

1560
01:15:50,770 --> 01:15:53,130
know, screamed at him or just 
just in shock and whore. 

1561
01:15:53,130 --> 01:15:54,490
Yeah. 
So like they didn't know what 

1562
01:15:54,490 --> 01:15:55,810
they were dealing with yet. 
Yeah. 

1563
01:15:55,810 --> 01:15:57,890
That didn't turn out to be so 
great. 

1564
01:15:57,890 --> 01:16:00,890
Tying yourself to Meg or. 
Yeah. 

1565
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:04,800
Now, Megor boasted of his many 
attempts to make an error on 

1566
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:07,520
Cerise. 
They never had a child, and this

1567
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:10,360
was a big problem for him 
because he thought of it as a 

1568
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:13,240
manly thing to have kids like a 
lot of Westeros he men do. 

1569
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:15,120
They're like, you're not man 
enough to have kids and he 

1570
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:17,760
didn't have kids with Cerise. 
Meanwhile, his brother Amy, who 

1571
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:23,200
by a lot of measures was not 
manly at all, according to 

1572
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:27,280
people like Megor, he had five 
kids by, you know, just kept 

1573
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:30,320
hopping more kids out. 
So, like by that measure. 

1574
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:32,520
His brother was far manlier than
him. 

1575
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:36,200
Yeah, there was actually a sixth
child that died as an infant. 

1576
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:39,840
So, you know, there's that too. 
So let's move on to to Amy's. 

1577
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:44,480
In fact, Amy's like his father. 
He was crowned in the star. 

1578
01:16:44,480 --> 01:16:48,480
He stepped. 
And a number of revolts happened

1579
01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:51,560
like soon after Aegon's death, 
in part because. 

1580
01:16:52,700 --> 01:16:55,820
Well Aegon was strong and 
powerful and no one wanted to 

1581
01:16:55,820 --> 01:16:59,060
rebel against him, but Amy was 
seen as a lot softer and weaker 

1582
01:16:59,060 --> 01:17:02,060
so thought people thought maybe 
they could they could get over 

1583
01:17:02,060 --> 01:17:03,620
on him whereas they couldn't on 
Aegon. 

1584
01:17:05,060 --> 01:17:07,420
But most of these aren't 
terribly relevant to house 

1585
01:17:07,420 --> 01:17:10,500
Hightower. the Vulture King 
maybe had been because that's 

1586
01:17:10,500 --> 01:17:14,420
sort of in their sphere, but 
maybe not a big deal. 

1587
01:17:15,260 --> 01:17:17,220
They may have been worried 
though if the Vulture King is 

1588
01:17:17,220 --> 01:17:19,700
going to emerge and and savage 
other parts of the reason they 

1589
01:17:19,700 --> 01:17:21,580
might have been worried about 
something. 

1590
01:17:22,060 --> 01:17:26,940
Happening another army like 
Joffrey Danes emerging from from

1591
01:17:26,940 --> 01:17:31,540
the east and and causing 
problems, so they might have 

1592
01:17:31,540 --> 01:17:34,060
been wary of that. 
They also would have been maybe 

1593
01:17:34,060 --> 01:17:39,060
wary about what was happening in
the Iron Aisles because after 

1594
01:17:39,060 --> 01:17:43,900
the latest Ironborn rebellion 
was put down Amy's offered them 

1595
01:17:43,900 --> 01:17:47,620
a boon and the boon they asked 
for was to kick all the septons 

1596
01:17:47,620 --> 01:17:49,060
and septas out of the Iron 
Islands. 

1597
01:17:49,060 --> 01:17:51,780
And Amy's is like, oh, I guess I
have to accept that. 

1598
01:17:52,310 --> 01:17:54,350
That might have made them 
nervous about the Ironborn 

1599
01:17:54,350 --> 01:17:55,790
starting their raiding ways 
again. 

1600
01:17:56,470 --> 01:17:59,510
It didn't, apparently, but it 
did bring them closer to that 

1601
01:17:59,510 --> 01:18:02,350
point again and they might have 
been worried. 

1602
01:18:02,350 --> 01:18:06,630
They're like, okay, well, we're 
tied to Megor and this weak King

1603
01:18:06,830 --> 01:18:10,070
Amy's. 
You wonder if they thought maybe

1604
01:18:10,070 --> 01:18:11,830
Megor would have been a better 
king too. 

1605
01:18:11,910 --> 01:18:13,470
And of course that is what 
happens. 

1606
01:18:13,910 --> 01:18:17,190
But you wonder if did they do 
anything to maybe make that 

1607
01:18:17,190 --> 01:18:17,910
happen? 
Or did they? 

1608
01:18:17,910 --> 01:18:20,490
Did they? 
Tell Megor they'd help? 

1609
01:18:20,490 --> 01:18:23,370
Or was there any sort of back 
and forth prior to these next 

1610
01:18:23,370 --> 01:18:26,410
set of events? 
Because Megor was a problem? 

1611
01:18:26,410 --> 01:18:28,850
Like, you don't just say, yeah, 
yeah, you look at him and say 

1612
01:18:28,850 --> 01:18:30,930
he's stronger than Annie's, but 
that doesn't mean you look at 

1613
01:18:30,930 --> 01:18:33,930
him and say, oh, he's our 
ticket, because he obviously 

1614
01:18:33,930 --> 01:18:37,850
became very problematic over 
time, very murderous, and not to

1615
01:18:37,850 --> 01:18:42,010
mention not having children, 
which puts the stability of his 

1616
01:18:42,010 --> 01:18:44,810
line in question. 
So we're jumping forward to the 

1617
01:18:44,810 --> 01:18:48,300
year 39. 
Where he's Meg or is now at this

1618
01:18:48,300 --> 01:18:53,740
point hand of the king to Amy's 
he declared cerise Baron and 

1619
01:18:53,740 --> 01:18:57,980
took Alice hair away to wife. 
He's like well my father was had

1620
01:18:57,980 --> 01:19:01,300
a polygamous marriage why can't 
I do it And Vasenia backed him 

1621
01:19:01,300 --> 01:19:04,140
in this Vasenia was like yeah go
right ahead do it son. 

1622
01:19:04,860 --> 01:19:09,700
But obviously the face was like 
no and house I tires like no 

1623
01:19:09,700 --> 01:19:14,980
that's our daughter slash sister
you can't do that to her. 

1624
01:19:15,550 --> 01:19:17,230
This is embarrassing. 
Like you're embarrassing our 

1625
01:19:17,230 --> 01:19:18,990
whole house. 
Like, think of that. 

1626
01:19:19,030 --> 01:19:21,870
We just set his wife aside and 
declares her Baron. 

1627
01:19:22,350 --> 01:19:25,510
Pretty embarrassing, right? 
So the High Septon demanded Meg.

1628
01:19:25,510 --> 01:19:29,030
Or return to Cerise. 
I want to clarify, it's worth 

1629
01:19:29,030 --> 01:19:32,670
noting that there is. 
I mean they can't compete with 

1630
01:19:32,670 --> 01:19:36,990
Dragons, but the Faith has like 
a military arm right at this 

1631
01:19:36,990 --> 01:19:41,910
time it's it's not a complete. 
Hollow statement for the high 

1632
01:19:41,910 --> 01:19:45,270
septum to say I don't want X. 
He can't say I'm going to send 

1633
01:19:45,270 --> 01:19:48,230
troops if you do X, right? 
He didn't because he didn't. 

1634
01:19:48,230 --> 01:19:51,790
He didn't want to have it come 
to that. 

1635
01:19:52,190 --> 01:19:54,870
But he was trying to use social 
slash religious pressure rather 

1636
01:19:54,870 --> 01:19:56,670
than the threat of violence. 
Because yeah, the threat of 

1637
01:19:56,670 --> 01:19:59,750
violence wouldn't be wouldn't 
benefit them. 

1638
01:19:59,750 --> 01:20:00,950
It wouldn't work, probably work 
for them. 

1639
01:20:00,950 --> 01:20:02,030
They didn't want to take on the 
dragon. 

1640
01:20:02,030 --> 01:20:05,110
So though they could, they could
skirt that line with Amy's on 

1641
01:20:05,110 --> 01:20:08,390
the throne because Amy's was 
unlikely to bring things to a 

1642
01:20:08,390 --> 01:20:10,470
head. 
And Megor obviously a different 

1643
01:20:10,470 --> 01:20:11,590
matter. 
If Megor had been king at this 

1644
01:20:11,590 --> 01:20:14,790
point they might have done 
things differently or not 

1645
01:20:14,790 --> 01:20:16,510
because this Isep and didn't 
back down. 

1646
01:20:18,030 --> 01:20:19,390
So let's yeah, let's move on 
here. 

1647
01:20:19,430 --> 01:20:24,830
He demands that Megor return to 
Cyrese and and we accept her as 

1648
01:20:24,830 --> 01:20:27,830
his lawful wedded wife and and 
bring her back to his household.

1649
01:20:28,230 --> 01:20:31,510
But he also went so far as to 
call Alice Haraway who he had 

1650
01:20:31,510 --> 01:20:33,630
married as a second wife. 
He went and called her The 

1651
01:20:33,630 --> 01:20:36,190
Horror of Haraway. 
I was like that's pretty harsh 

1652
01:20:36,590 --> 01:20:40,230
like it's not her fault. 
Lord Manfred was also loudly 

1653
01:20:40,230 --> 01:20:42,390
against the polygamy too, 
unsurprisingly. 

1654
01:20:42,390 --> 01:20:46,150
I mean, Cerise was his daughter,
so he would not have take kindly

1655
01:20:46,150 --> 01:20:49,710
to all the insults and the the 
fraying of this connection to 

1656
01:20:49,710 --> 01:20:52,550
the royal house as well. 
So he and the High Septon were 

1657
01:20:52,550 --> 01:20:54,310
together on this. 
They were united on it. 

1658
01:20:54,670 --> 01:20:57,830
Meg or Amy's pushed back on his 
brother and was like, you have 

1659
01:20:57,830 --> 01:21:02,590
to take Cerise back and set 
aside your second wife or face 

1660
01:21:02,590 --> 01:21:05,310
the consequences of exile like, 
all right, exile. 

1661
01:21:05,310 --> 01:21:08,430
And he went. 
Packed up and went to Pentos. 

1662
01:21:09,510 --> 01:21:12,830
Meg or obviously had to abandon 
his post as his hand to the 

1663
01:21:12,830 --> 01:21:16,750
king, and Amy appointed Septon 
Murmison in his place. 

1664
01:21:16,750 --> 01:21:22,630
Septon Murmison was a creepy old
weirdo who said he could fix 

1665
01:21:22,630 --> 01:21:25,110
Cerise's fertility by laying his
hands upon her. 

1666
01:21:25,790 --> 01:21:29,350
Hanging his hands upon her To 
fix her for like that is some 

1667
01:21:29,350 --> 01:21:31,190
real creepy stuff right there, 
right? 

1668
01:21:31,190 --> 01:21:33,670
And Cerise got tired of it and 
left. 

1669
01:21:34,190 --> 01:21:36,270
She's like, I'm not going 
through these. 

1670
01:21:36,610 --> 01:21:38,810
Quote UN quote Fertility 
treatments anymore. 

1671
01:21:39,010 --> 01:21:41,810
I'm going back to Old Town. 
Leave me alone, you creepy 

1672
01:21:41,810 --> 01:21:44,890
weirdo. 
Like a side anecdote. 

1673
01:21:44,890 --> 01:21:47,890
Time, folks. 
When I first moved to Atlanta, I

1674
01:21:47,890 --> 01:21:50,810
got a hold of this magazine 
that's only distributed. 

1675
01:21:51,190 --> 01:21:55,790
To people that go to strip clubs
and people who attend like adult

1676
01:21:55,790 --> 01:21:57,870
entertainment and this, this 
magazine is full of 

1677
01:21:57,870 --> 01:21:59,270
entertaining, hilarious, 
hilarious. 

1678
01:22:00,030 --> 01:22:02,190
Oh, no, of course, because. 
I wasn't at this trouble. 

1679
01:22:02,190 --> 01:22:04,790
No. 21 year old me would never 
have gone to a strip club. 

1680
01:22:05,510 --> 01:22:07,230
Never. 
Not in Atlanta. 

1681
01:22:07,230 --> 01:22:09,310
The like the the capital of 
strip clubs. 

1682
01:22:09,310 --> 01:22:12,550
No. 
But in this magazine was this 

1683
01:22:12,550 --> 01:22:16,270
man with his hands like this, 
like like he's getting ready to 

1684
01:22:16,270 --> 01:22:20,830
grab something. 
His pitch was he through his. 

1685
01:22:21,210 --> 01:22:23,890
Massage techniques. 
He will make your breasts 

1686
01:22:23,890 --> 01:22:27,330
larger. 
He was trying to get women to 

1687
01:22:27,330 --> 01:22:30,410
pay him to fondle them. 
Like. 

1688
01:22:30,890 --> 01:22:32,890
What the hell, man? 
So this is what I think of, 

1689
01:22:33,050 --> 01:22:35,530
except in Mirmus. 
What's his number? 

1690
01:22:35,850 --> 01:22:36,730
Where? 
Where? 

1691
01:22:36,730 --> 01:22:38,090
It's horrible. 
Where is he? 

1692
01:22:38,090 --> 01:22:44,850
Where is this man? 
How do I find him So I can 

1693
01:22:44,850 --> 01:22:45,570
complain? 
No. 

1694
01:22:46,090 --> 01:22:49,650
Anyway, but the price problem 
was inflamed even further by 

1695
01:22:49,650 --> 01:22:54,000
Megor. 
Because rather worse than what 

1696
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:57,280
Megor had done, because anus is 
like, yeah, the faith is mad at 

1697
01:22:57,280 --> 01:22:59,600
us. 
They were mad at what Megor did.

1698
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:04,240
So I know I will just marry my 
son to my daughter that that 

1699
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:05,600
won't make things worse, will 
it? 

1700
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:07,680
So of course that was a huge 
problem. 

1701
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:13,320
The High Septon went volcanic on
that and was like what the hell,

1702
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:15,400
you know, this is an 
abomination, blah blah blah. 

1703
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:17,680
He said all the thing he said, 
all the things he said before, 

1704
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:19,600
but louder and and more 
forceful. 

1705
01:23:20,500 --> 01:23:23,820
And Amy's again, because he's 
kind of a softie was unwilling 

1706
01:23:23,820 --> 01:23:28,460
to threaten them or say shut up 
or I'll burn the starry Sept, 

1707
01:23:28,460 --> 01:23:31,860
which is what Vasenia told him 
to do and what Megor would have 

1708
01:23:31,860 --> 01:23:33,260
told him to do had he been 
there. 

1709
01:23:33,660 --> 01:23:36,500
And Nina's like, yeah, just her 
notes were like, yeah, shaking 

1710
01:23:36,500 --> 01:23:39,980
his, shaking your head here what
are you doing, Amy's Hey, God's 

1711
01:23:39,980 --> 01:23:43,340
marriage was accepted by the 
faith because it already 

1712
01:23:43,340 --> 01:23:46,220
happened. 
It was already there before the 

1713
01:23:46,220 --> 01:23:48,600
conquest. 
So they didn't have a say in 

1714
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:49,680
that one. 
They weren't going to be like, 

1715
01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:51,960
you have to divorce your Queens.
Like, yeah, they just, that 

1716
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:53,920
wasn't going to happen. 
They didn't try that. 

1717
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:58,200
But this before it happens, like
they announced the intention of 

1718
01:23:58,200 --> 01:23:59,720
this. 
It hasn't actually happened yet.

1719
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:01,760
They're like, so they of course 
they speak up and say, are you 

1720
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:04,840
kidding me? 
Didn't you accept our religion? 

1721
01:24:05,440 --> 01:24:08,280
This is so against our religion.
Remember the doctrine of of 

1722
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:09,880
exceptionalism hadn't been 
written yet. 

1723
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:12,000
Hadn't that's that's the thing 
that happened under Jerry. 

1724
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:16,200
So this was completely out of 
nowhere and crazy that Amy's 

1725
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:17,610
would. 
I think it was accepted. 

1726
01:24:18,690 --> 01:24:21,210
You wonder if the senia was just
like egging him on like yeah, 

1727
01:24:21,210 --> 01:24:23,050
don't listen to them just do it.
Just do it. 

1728
01:24:23,050 --> 01:24:25,850
You know because that seems to 
be the senia is definitely the 

1729
01:24:25,850 --> 01:24:28,530
Angel on the shoulder that's 
choosing violence. 

1730
01:24:28,530 --> 01:24:30,410
Like if you've got I don't I 
don't know if she I don't know 

1731
01:24:30,410 --> 01:24:32,690
if he had anyone on his left 
shoulder saying no don't do that

1732
01:24:32,930 --> 01:24:35,770
and the other non voice that 
doesn't exist at all, you know. 

1733
01:24:36,550 --> 01:24:40,030
I can imagine Amy's or Vesenia 
feeling like it's out of nowhere

1734
01:24:40,030 --> 01:24:42,310
for the step to tell me who I 
can marry, you know? 

1735
01:24:42,590 --> 01:24:43,550
Yeah. 
I agree. 

1736
01:24:43,550 --> 01:24:45,990
I mean Vesenia would not have 
that's that tends to be her 

1737
01:24:45,990 --> 01:24:47,550
attitude. 
Like you can't tell us what to 

1738
01:24:47,550 --> 01:24:49,910
do, you can't. 
You have no say at all. 

1739
01:24:49,910 --> 01:24:53,150
Like how dare you even suggest 
you have a say in this like 

1740
01:24:53,150 --> 01:24:54,270
that. 
That feels like her attitude. 

1741
01:24:54,270 --> 01:24:57,470
Accepting your religion and 
following the the rules of your 

1742
01:24:57,470 --> 01:25:00,190
religion's leader are different.
Yeah, you've got Dragons, buddy,

1743
01:25:00,270 --> 01:25:01,470
yeah. 
Absolutely, Yeah. 

1744
01:25:01,550 --> 01:25:02,750
Yeah. 
Vesenia is so awesome. 

1745
01:25:02,790 --> 01:25:04,470
I love Vesenia. 
She's. 

1746
01:25:04,790 --> 01:25:10,630
She's a maker of fun events. 
In the year 41, all these 

1747
01:25:10,630 --> 01:25:14,390
problems came to a full on head.
The faith uprising became kind 

1748
01:25:14,390 --> 01:25:16,950
of official at this point. 
Like it was already burbling, 

1749
01:25:16,950 --> 01:25:19,430
like I was the high step that's 
been complaining for a while. 

1750
01:25:20,350 --> 01:25:23,870
And super relevant to the high 
towers because the commander of 

1751
01:25:23,870 --> 01:25:27,310
the Warriors son's chapter in 
Old Town was Morgan Hightower, 

1752
01:25:28,350 --> 01:25:32,870
and that's the son of of 
Manfred, and Manfred dies. 

1753
01:25:33,380 --> 01:25:36,420
Shortly after this was succeeded
by his eldest son, Martin, 

1754
01:25:37,300 --> 01:25:40,260
Martin would face an entirely 
different problem, because while

1755
01:25:40,260 --> 01:25:43,940
Anes is not a violent man, Anes 
wouldn't be around much longer 

1756
01:25:43,940 --> 01:25:48,540
and Martin would have to deal 
with Meg or the Cruel as king 

1757
01:25:49,300 --> 01:25:53,340
instead of this dude in exile. 
So about a year later, as the 

1758
01:25:53,340 --> 01:25:56,300
early stages of the uprising 
continued to progress and Anes 

1759
01:25:56,300 --> 01:25:58,700
was just like, I don't know what
to do, he throws his hands up in

1760
01:25:58,700 --> 01:26:00,910
his hair like. 
Call a council to deal with 

1761
01:26:00,910 --> 01:26:02,870
these problems. 
Wait, don't call a council to 

1762
01:26:02,870 --> 01:26:03,390
deal with. 
Just wait. 

1763
01:26:03,550 --> 01:26:05,630
Send you. 
He just yeah, he just effed it 

1764
01:26:05,630 --> 01:26:09,430
up pretty bad. 
And he died after having some 

1765
01:26:09,430 --> 01:26:12,870
health issues in the care of 
Vasenia, so it's pretty sketchy.

1766
01:26:12,870 --> 01:26:16,670
But that's a whole another story
and that's our stopping point 

1767
01:26:16,670 --> 01:26:19,470
for halfway through the episode.
Can I ask a quick question? 

1768
01:26:19,990 --> 01:26:22,630
So Martin and Morgan were 
brothers? 

1769
01:26:22,910 --> 01:26:24,990
Yes, Manfred was their father. 
Yeah. 

1770
01:26:25,870 --> 01:26:27,870
Is Martin the older brother? 
Yes. 

1771
01:26:28,490 --> 01:26:30,530
Say he died would have been gone
to Morgan. 

1772
01:26:30,530 --> 01:26:33,570
Has Morgan not given up his 
rights to be in the faith or 

1773
01:26:33,570 --> 01:26:35,090
whatever? 
It depends on. 

1774
01:26:35,090 --> 01:26:36,330
I don't. 
Probably not, because by that 

1775
01:26:36,330 --> 01:26:38,130
time Martin probably already had
his own children. 

1776
01:26:38,690 --> 01:26:41,210
But if not, yes, yes. 
And then Morgan would have had 

1777
01:26:41,210 --> 01:26:44,050
to either been passed over for a
son that hadn't committed or 

1778
01:26:44,050 --> 01:26:45,690
would have had to have left the 
Warrior Sons. 

1779
01:26:45,930 --> 01:26:47,890
But the warrior Sons wasn't like
a lifetime commitment. 

1780
01:26:47,890 --> 01:26:49,930
And I don't think in this era, 
so I don't think it's like the 

1781
01:26:49,930 --> 01:26:51,610
King's Guard or something like 
that. 

1782
01:26:51,610 --> 01:26:55,410
So I think that would have been 
accepted, especially for such a 

1783
01:26:55,410 --> 01:26:57,210
rich house that could have 
gotten around any sort of. 

1784
01:26:57,640 --> 01:26:59,600
Yeah, consequence for that, 
like, yeah, it was. 

1785
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:01,760
Yeah, it was a little. 
Leverage. 

1786
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:04,000
Who's our? 
Yeah, let's, let's settle this 

1787
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:06,920
our way anyway. 
That's a lot. 

1788
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:09,720
That's a very active part of the
first rain. 

1789
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:12,280
We covered Eggon and Amy's In 
the second-half of this episode,

1790
01:27:12,280 --> 01:27:14,680
we're going to get to its Meg or
covers even more time. 

1791
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:18,560
I just want to say, you know, 
y'all we're only a few weeks 

1792
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:22,000
away from fire and blood. 
Reread us and in that time, as 

1793
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:23,840
you as I've been saying the last
several weeks. 

1794
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:28,440
It's it's the time is dwindling 
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And that reason and one of the 

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1800
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1803
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1808
01:28:06,380 --> 01:28:08,980
Like they where are they now? 
Is like some other ones and I 

1809
01:28:08,980 --> 01:28:11,420
can't remember them all. 
Can I share a funny anecdote 

1810
01:28:11,420 --> 01:28:14,020
about the creation of mentors? 
Absolutely. 

1811
01:28:14,380 --> 01:28:16,060
I just cracked me out. 
When we were making that 

1812
01:28:16,060 --> 01:28:18,580
episode, I had Shawn do the 
quotes for it because I did the 

1813
01:28:18,580 --> 01:28:20,540
editing and I didn't really want
to listen to myself to the 

1814
01:28:20,540 --> 01:28:22,460
quotes. 
So I had Shawn do the quotes and

1815
01:28:22,460 --> 01:28:24,660
there were eight quotes 
originally and he sent me an 

1816
01:28:24,660 --> 01:28:28,140
e-mail with the quotes and then 
we said, oh sorry, we added a 

1817
01:28:28,140 --> 01:28:31,620
9th quote that you don't have. 
Can you send us that one too? 

1818
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:36,120
And well, I got an e-mail from 
Sean that said mantari's now 

1819
01:28:36,120 --> 01:28:41,200
with the shocking 9th quote. 
You won't believe it. 

1820
01:28:42,440 --> 01:28:46,840
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subscribe to hear what the 

1821
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shocking 9th quote. 
Is. 

1822
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:51,880
Quite amused me. 
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1832
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And Jenny P says, I know this is

1833
01:29:19,830 --> 01:29:22,390
a tat off topic but just popping
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1834
01:29:22,390 --> 01:29:23,590
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1835
01:29:23,590 --> 01:29:26,390
So good, love your content. 
Well thank you Jenny P and we're

1836
01:29:26,390 --> 01:29:29,710
happy to be getting back to 
Valerieta's pretty Soon for Fire

1837
01:29:29,710 --> 01:29:32,630
and Blood. 
It's a long way out, but we will

1838
01:29:32,710 --> 01:29:36,270
redo the entirety of Valoretus 
one day, and that day will come 

1839
01:29:36,270 --> 01:29:39,750
after the Windsor winter. 
It'll be a good time to do the 

1840
01:29:39,750 --> 01:29:42,270
whole Rereadus once we have a 
whole new book to consider in 

1841
01:29:42,510 --> 01:29:45,830
light of the previous five, but 
we'll see when that is. 

1842
01:29:45,830 --> 01:29:49,910
Who knows? 
Okay Megor. 

1843
01:29:50,230 --> 01:29:51,430
Wow. 
The reign of Megor, though 

1844
01:29:51,430 --> 01:29:54,910
relatively short, was extremely 
active for House Hightower and 

1845
01:29:54,910 --> 01:29:57,030
launched events that would 
continue after his reign. 

1846
01:29:58,290 --> 01:30:01,530
The dual problems of Meg or the 
Cruel and the Faith Militant 

1847
01:30:01,570 --> 01:30:05,330
became A1 big combined problem 
as the two factions embarked on 

1848
01:30:05,410 --> 01:30:07,330
a bloody campaign against one 
another. 

1849
01:30:07,770 --> 01:30:09,170
The high towers were caught in 
the middle. 

1850
01:30:09,530 --> 01:30:13,650
On one side Cerise was married 
to Meg or on the other side they

1851
01:30:13,650 --> 01:30:17,930
were estranged and they had a 
long association with the Faith 

1852
01:30:18,170 --> 01:30:21,170
and thus some elements of the 
Faith Militant. 

1853
01:30:21,170 --> 01:30:24,050
It's not clear, especially at 
this era. 

1854
01:30:25,100 --> 01:30:27,700
Where the faith begins and where
the Faith Militant begins, like 

1855
01:30:27,700 --> 01:30:32,420
how much overlap, It wasn't as 
well defined thing because, 

1856
01:30:32,420 --> 01:30:35,460
well, it's like people are out 
there wearing their allegiance 

1857
01:30:35,460 --> 01:30:38,180
badges and like they're carrying
around a flag to say which side 

1858
01:30:38,180 --> 01:30:39,900
they're on, right? 
No, of course not. 

1859
01:30:39,900 --> 01:30:43,820
In fact, the Faith Militant 
practiced a lot of subterfuge 

1860
01:30:43,820 --> 01:30:45,740
because Mega started hunting 
them down. 

1861
01:30:45,740 --> 01:30:49,940
So they had to, they had to keep
hidden for reasons of just basic

1862
01:30:49,940 --> 01:30:53,310
strategy. 
Now, again, Morgan's Martin's 

1863
01:30:53,310 --> 01:30:55,750
brother, Lord Martin Hightower's
brother was Sir Morgan, 

1864
01:30:55,750 --> 01:30:57,590
commander of the Old Town 
Warriors Sons. 

1865
01:30:57,590 --> 01:31:01,150
That's really important so that 
the Faith Militant would be even

1866
01:31:01,150 --> 01:31:04,830
closer to orders like this, the 
ones who are already kind of 

1867
01:31:04,830 --> 01:31:11,670
violent and maybe more willing 
to get bloody in the defense of 

1868
01:31:11,670 --> 01:31:13,750
their beliefs. 
The swords and stars were 

1869
01:31:13,750 --> 01:31:15,870
everywhere. 
The swords are basically as the 

1870
01:31:15,910 --> 01:31:19,070
short nickname for the the 
Warrior Sons and the stars were 

1871
01:31:19,070 --> 01:31:20,710
nicknamed for the poor fellows 
were the two. 

1872
01:31:21,310 --> 01:31:22,950
Categories within the Faith 
Militant. 

1873
01:31:22,950 --> 01:31:25,990
Remember the swords are the more
are the usually the ones that 

1874
01:31:26,110 --> 01:31:29,070
came from decent families, 
meaning money to families not 

1875
01:31:29,070 --> 01:31:30,990
decent like in their behavior of
course. 

1876
01:31:31,310 --> 01:31:35,870
And the poor fellows are more of
like the the common born members

1877
01:31:35,910 --> 01:31:39,790
of that organization. 
So before and after Megor 

1878
01:31:39,790 --> 01:31:43,670
claimed the crown, Cerise 
continued to put it out there 

1879
01:31:43,670 --> 01:31:47,550
that she was his only true wife.
Like this is not a quiet mousy 

1880
01:31:47,550 --> 01:31:50,110
individual who just like took 
what happened to her. 

1881
01:31:50,550 --> 01:31:55,630
Lying down now, she was 
outspoken about the scenario 

1882
01:31:55,630 --> 01:31:58,270
that she was faced with. 
She was like, Nope, I'm his one 

1883
01:31:58,270 --> 01:31:59,390
wife. 
That's it. 

1884
01:31:59,390 --> 01:32:01,750
Like I'm married under the eyes 
of gods and men. 

1885
01:32:01,750 --> 01:32:04,190
That's the only one that counts.
This second marriage is 

1886
01:32:04,190 --> 01:32:07,070
completely invalid. 
Is, which, by the way is an 

1887
01:32:07,070 --> 01:32:09,150
interesting argument to put 
forward. 

1888
01:32:09,150 --> 01:32:11,270
Like is the second marriage 
valid or not? 

1889
01:32:11,270 --> 01:32:14,270
That might become relevant in In
A Song of Ice and Fire. 

1890
01:32:14,550 --> 01:32:15,910
Maybe not. 
But maybe it will be. 

1891
01:32:16,110 --> 01:32:18,710
And this is true. 
This continued even after. 

1892
01:32:19,050 --> 01:32:21,410
Meg or took it even farther, 
because when he came back from 

1893
01:32:21,570 --> 01:32:26,050
exile, he had a third wife. 
He married Tiana of Pentos. 

1894
01:32:26,050 --> 01:32:28,490
He's like, well, what's better 
than two wives? 

1895
01:32:28,610 --> 01:32:31,810
Three of course eventually would
be 6, but that's that's not even

1896
01:32:31,810 --> 01:32:33,250
in this episode. 
We're not even going to get that

1897
01:32:33,250 --> 01:32:35,290
far. 
Gran Meister. 

1898
01:32:35,290 --> 01:32:39,570
Miros even told his king he's 
like your true wife is Therese 

1899
01:32:39,570 --> 01:32:42,490
Hightower. 
Gran Meister, keep in mind, 

1900
01:32:42,490 --> 01:32:45,050
influenced maybe by the 
Hightower. 

1901
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:50,280
But Meg or killed him. 
So he's like, yeah, OK, it said 

1902
01:32:50,280 --> 01:32:51,400
that Meg. 
Or listen to him. 

1903
01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:54,120
Let him say everything he was 
going to say, then killed. 

1904
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:58,560
It's just like, yeah, OK then. 
But the High Septon, that didn't

1905
01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:01,200
stop the High Septon. 
He kept condemning the 

1906
01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:04,640
polygamous marriages. 
It's it's not clear that Lord 

1907
01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:07,200
Martin did though Martin's 
father Manfred did. 

1908
01:33:07,240 --> 01:33:09,960
Manfred was out there 
complaining, but Martin didn't. 

1909
01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:12,320
And but oh, we don't know that 
he did. 

1910
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:14,080
And there's a reason why he 
might not have. 

1911
01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:17,380
And that's because. 
Manfred was complaining to Anies

1912
01:33:18,700 --> 01:33:20,220
Martin. 
If he's complaining, it's to 

1913
01:33:20,220 --> 01:33:21,980
Megor. 
And Megor just like killed the 

1914
01:33:21,980 --> 01:33:24,540
Grand Meister and Megor actually
Megor killed three of his Grand 

1915
01:33:24,540 --> 01:33:27,980
Meisters throughout his reign. 
So perilous position to be in. 

1916
01:33:27,980 --> 01:33:31,180
Apparently any proximity to 
Megor is perilous I suppose. 

1917
01:33:31,980 --> 01:33:34,700
So that's fair for Martin to 
approach things differently that

1918
01:33:34,700 --> 01:33:36,980
his father had. 
There's there was really no 

1919
01:33:36,980 --> 01:33:38,900
danger of Anies going 
ultraviolent. 

1920
01:33:38,900 --> 01:33:41,860
But Megor it's like, yeah, like 
drop of a hat. 

1921
01:33:41,860 --> 01:33:45,660
This guy could do that. 
But yeah, again, the, the and 

1922
01:33:45,660 --> 01:33:48,540
the difficulty, it's like a 
tightrope walk, like Meg or is 

1923
01:33:48,540 --> 01:33:51,060
getting increasingly bloody and 
brutal. 

1924
01:33:51,660 --> 01:33:55,260
Like, how does the High Tower 
stand on this issue of, like, 

1925
01:33:55,260 --> 01:33:59,660
the faith being persecuted, but 
also the faith, like breaking 

1926
01:33:59,660 --> 01:34:02,060
laws. 
Like some of what the Faith 

1927
01:34:02,060 --> 01:34:05,060
stood for, the Faith Militant 
stood for was just pure 

1928
01:34:05,060 --> 01:34:07,380
zealotry. 
But some of it was, yeah, 

1929
01:34:07,380 --> 01:34:09,220
they're, some of them are 
criminals, but some of them are 

1930
01:34:09,220 --> 01:34:10,740
like have the right of it's it's
not. 

1931
01:34:10,740 --> 01:34:13,310
It's this is a very Gray. 
Scenario. 

1932
01:34:13,310 --> 01:34:18,390
There's not a lot of good guys 
here, although it's I think you 

1933
01:34:18,390 --> 01:34:21,870
could make a case that Meg or 
what's worse, but that's not 

1934
01:34:21,870 --> 01:34:23,790
really our job today. 
We're not really here to discuss

1935
01:34:23,790 --> 01:34:24,830
that. 
But from the Hightower 

1936
01:34:24,830 --> 01:34:26,510
perspective, they're like, well,
what do we do? 

1937
01:34:26,550 --> 01:34:30,270
Like we're tied to Meg or 
because of this marriage, but 

1938
01:34:30,270 --> 01:34:32,070
even that isn't really working 
out right now. 

1939
01:34:32,070 --> 01:34:35,790
Like, he's estranged from her. 
But do we even want to fix that 

1940
01:34:35,790 --> 01:34:39,230
like Charisse does but do? 
Is that really what we want? 

1941
01:34:39,230 --> 01:34:42,970
And we maybe want to like? 
Cut the cord here, let this guy 

1942
01:34:42,970 --> 01:34:45,770
go down in flames. 
But at this point maybe it 

1943
01:34:45,770 --> 01:34:48,410
wasn't clear that he would. 
It wasn't clear that like Meg or

1944
01:34:48,410 --> 01:34:50,370
his reign selfdestructed over 
time, right? 

1945
01:34:50,370 --> 01:34:55,210
He just lost the lost so many of
the Lords and that eventually it

1946
01:34:55,210 --> 01:34:57,610
all just fell apart for him. 
But this is so early in his 

1947
01:34:57,610 --> 01:35:01,490
reign that had not happened yet.
He had not lost anything at this

1948
01:35:01,490 --> 01:35:02,210
point. 
He was. 

1949
01:35:02,490 --> 01:35:06,010
Everyone was afraid of him, even
his own, even the the half of 

1950
01:35:06,010 --> 01:35:08,360
the family that he had usurped. 
They just took it. 

1951
01:35:08,360 --> 01:35:10,120
At this point, they hadn't made 
any move yet. 

1952
01:35:10,120 --> 01:35:12,280
They were still just like, yeah,
all right, Megor is the king, 

1953
01:35:12,840 --> 01:35:14,600
and Megor was content to just 
let that lie. 

1954
01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:17,920
He didn't go pursue his nephew 
to murder him, to say, to make 

1955
01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:21,000
sure nothing happened. 
He seemed just confident that no

1956
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:23,720
one would move against him. 
And you can see why. 

1957
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:28,440
The guy was terrifying and he 
had Valerian, so like, And 

1958
01:35:28,440 --> 01:35:30,800
Vasenia was still alive too, 
because a lot of lot of what 

1959
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:32,680
went wrong for Megor happened 
after Vasenia's death. 

1960
01:35:33,980 --> 01:35:36,100
What a weird spot for the high 
towers to be in. 

1961
01:35:36,100 --> 01:35:38,140
Like do we want to be in this 
arrangement? 

1962
01:35:38,140 --> 01:35:39,140
Do we want to make the most of 
it? 

1963
01:35:39,140 --> 01:35:40,460
Do we want to find our way out 
of it? 

1964
01:35:40,460 --> 01:35:42,540
Like, I have no idea how they 
would have viewed it. 

1965
01:35:42,540 --> 01:35:44,660
So much depends on the 
personality of Lord Martin, 

1966
01:35:44,660 --> 01:35:46,860
which is a complete mystery to 
us. 

1967
01:35:47,540 --> 01:35:50,220
But he couldn't have just been 
like la di da, you know? 

1968
01:35:50,220 --> 01:35:52,980
It's fine that much I think is 
pretty safe. 

1969
01:35:53,700 --> 01:35:58,980
And things came to a head though
in 43 A/C, Megor and Besenia and

1970
01:35:59,020 --> 01:36:01,440
and Valerian. 
I wrote in my notes Megor and 

1971
01:36:01,440 --> 01:36:03,840
Besenia and Megor. 
Yeah, two Megors came to Old 

1972
01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:06,480
Town. 
Oh God, two Megors. 

1973
01:36:06,480 --> 01:36:08,400
That's terrible. 
Maybe it's a double negative, 

1974
01:36:08,480 --> 01:36:09,440
maybe it would have cancelled 
out. 

1975
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:12,320
Megor the cruel and Megor the 
nice. 

1976
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:15,360
You know, Megor the cool. 
Megor the cool. 

1977
01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:19,640
Yeah. 
So he and he he, it's not like 

1978
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:24,760
like why is Megor coming? 
No, no, he he had the intent of 

1979
01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:27,560
incinerating the star he set he 
like kind of. 

1980
01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:30,160
Said he would do that. 
I guess that's what the 

1981
01:36:30,160 --> 01:36:31,840
expectation was. 
Here's the quote, anyway. 

1982
01:36:32,280 --> 01:36:35,160
As fullers of smoke rose all 
through the Westerlands and the 

1983
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:39,080
Riverlands, Begar and Blerian 
turned S another Lord Hightower.

1984
01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:41,760
Counseled by another High 
Septon, it opened the gates of 

1985
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:44,680
Old Town during the Conquest. 
Now it seemed as if the greatest

1986
01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:47,200
and most populous city in 
Westeros must surely burn. 

1987
01:36:47,960 --> 01:36:50,440
Thousands fled Old Town that 
night, streaming from the city 

1988
01:36:50,440 --> 01:36:52,520
Gates were taking ship for 
distant ports. 

1989
01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:55,320
Thousands more took to the 
streets in drunken reverie. 

1990
01:36:56,040 --> 01:36:57,880
This is night for song and sin 
and drink. 

1991
01:36:57,880 --> 01:37:00,600
Men told one another for come 
tomorrow the virtuous and the 

1992
01:37:00,600 --> 01:37:03,880
vile burn together. 
Others gathered in steps and 

1993
01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:06,480
temples and ancient woods to 
pray they might be spared. 

1994
01:37:06,720 --> 01:37:09,640
The story set high, stepped and 
railed and thundered, calling 

1995
01:37:09,640 --> 01:37:12,040
down wrath of the gods upon the 
Targaryens. 

1996
01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:14,600
So this is a very different 
scenario. 

1997
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:17,760
It says that another High step 
than another Lord of Old Town 

1998
01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:20,000
you know surrendered to the 
Dragons. 

1999
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:23,560
But this Lord Hightower not it 
will. 

2000
01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:25,440
It will remain a mystery what he
really thought. 

2001
01:37:26,040 --> 01:37:28,320
But this High Septon did not 
play ball. 

2002
01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:30,040
Clearly. 
This High Septon seems to be 

2003
01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:34,360
like one of the true believers. 
He's like calling for the gods 

2004
01:37:34,360 --> 01:37:39,360
to intervene. 
Like that's not something a semi

2005
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:42,520
believer expects to happen. 
You got to really, really 

2006
01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:44,880
believe to think that's going to
happen. 

2007
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:47,880
Like this guy seems to have like
kind of gone up a deep end even 

2008
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:50,080
maybe. 
So, yeah, it was Lord Martin's 

2009
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:53,950
great grandfather Manfred that. 
That obeyed, that listened to 

2010
01:37:53,950 --> 01:37:55,950
the High Septum when I accepted 
his seven days. 

2011
01:37:56,070 --> 01:37:57,870
By the way, I didn't mention it 
at the time. 

2012
01:37:58,390 --> 01:38:02,390
The High Sparrow mentions that 
vision mentions that the High 

2013
01:38:02,390 --> 01:38:06,630
Septum preached surrender. 
He tells that to Cersei. 

2014
01:38:07,270 --> 01:38:12,190
So that's kind of interesting 
given all the potential for the 

2015
01:38:12,350 --> 01:38:15,670
Cersei to maybe blow up Sept or 
that get blown up through some 

2016
01:38:15,670 --> 01:38:17,710
other means. 
Maybe we got maybe Danny does it

2017
01:38:17,710 --> 01:38:22,120
after after all, Megor. 
Did torch the Sept of 

2018
01:38:22,120 --> 01:38:25,680
remembrance which also would 
have looked odd to the high 

2019
01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:28,760
towers like you're burning 
entire septs man. 

2020
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:33,080
Like that's not good. 
Like yeah, the Warriors sons 

2021
01:38:33,080 --> 01:38:35,440
were like all camped out in 
there and yeah they're fighting 

2022
01:38:35,440 --> 01:38:38,680
against you but it just that's 
too much man. 

2023
01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:43,440
But it also showed no this guy 
is not just talking like he he 

2024
01:38:43,480 --> 01:38:46,640
has already burned a Sept. 
So when this threat to burn the 

2025
01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:48,360
star except you can see why 
people took it seriously you can

2026
01:38:48,360 --> 01:38:50,140
see why. 
Thousands of people fled the 

2027
01:38:50,140 --> 01:38:51,220
city. 
You can see why thousands of 

2028
01:38:51,220 --> 01:38:53,060
people treated it like the 
apocalypse. 

2029
01:38:53,060 --> 01:38:56,460
Because they're like, yeah, 
well, this guy is proven 

2030
01:38:56,460 --> 01:39:00,380
multiple times that he will burn
what he says he will burn. 

2031
01:39:01,580 --> 01:39:04,020
At first, Martin seemed to be 
backing the High Septon. 

2032
01:39:04,020 --> 01:39:07,660
Like, yeah, you're right. 
Call down the Rose of the God. 

2033
01:39:07,660 --> 01:39:08,940
Maybe he didn't see a way out of
it. 

2034
01:39:08,940 --> 01:39:12,420
Maybe he couldn't figure out a 
way to to maneuver the situation

2035
01:39:12,940 --> 01:39:17,040
to something more peaceable. 
Yeah, so when High Septon says 

2036
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:19,360
things loudly that you agree 
with, you let him go. 

2037
01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:20,560
But what? 
What do you do when the High 

2038
01:39:20,560 --> 01:39:22,760
Septon like you agree? 
Not only do you agree with him, 

2039
01:39:22,760 --> 01:39:25,320
you you say, yes, it's the will 
of the gods, but what do you do 

2040
01:39:25,320 --> 01:39:27,600
when the will of the gods is 
going to get you killed? 

2041
01:39:28,520 --> 01:39:30,800
Like you got to, like do 
something right? 

2042
01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:34,720
Maybe you have faith that the 
gods will intervene you. 

2043
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:37,520
Yeah, like you might. 
There's no way Stannis could be 

2044
01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:40,840
Renley, right? 
Yeah, yeah, that's a good point.

2045
01:39:41,280 --> 01:39:43,320
So maybe that's what he thought,
But then as. 

2046
01:39:44,020 --> 01:39:48,620
The days went by and the gods 
didn't intervene, and it became 

2047
01:39:48,620 --> 01:39:50,900
clear that Negor was going to 
arrive soon. 

2048
01:39:51,900 --> 01:39:54,980
Well, maybe you just got to find
a new will of the gods. 

2049
01:39:55,700 --> 01:39:58,500
Like maybe we need a new will 
here, someone else, right? 

2050
01:39:58,500 --> 01:40:00,180
As one. 
Anyway, quote. 

2051
01:40:00,900 --> 01:40:04,740
The men of the city watch, 
filled sacks with sand and pails

2052
01:40:04,740 --> 01:40:08,700
with water to fight the fires 
they knew were coming along the 

2053
01:40:08,700 --> 01:40:12,540
city walls. 
Crossbows, scorpions, spit fires

2054
01:40:12,540 --> 01:40:15,010
and spear throwers. 
Were hoisted onto the 

2055
01:40:15,010 --> 01:40:18,330
battlements in hopes of bringing
down the Dragons when they 

2056
01:40:18,330 --> 01:40:22,090
appeared. 
Led by Sarah Morgan Hightower, a

2057
01:40:22,130 --> 01:40:26,530
younger brother of the Lord of 
Old Town, 200 warriors, sons 

2058
01:40:26,730 --> 01:40:30,450
spilled forth from their chapter
house to defend his high 

2059
01:40:30,450 --> 01:40:33,410
holiness. 
Surrounding the starry Sept with

2060
01:40:33,410 --> 01:40:39,010
a ring of steel atop the 
Hightower, the great beacon fire

2061
01:40:39,010 --> 01:40:43,520
turned a baleful green. 
As Lord Martin Hightower called 

2062
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:48,720
his banners, Old Town waited for
the dawn and the coming of the 

2063
01:40:48,720 --> 01:40:53,400
Dragons. 
And the Dragons came beg our 

2064
01:40:53,400 --> 01:40:57,360
first as the sun was rising, 
then Valerian just before 

2065
01:40:57,360 --> 01:41:00,040
midday. 
But they found the gates of the 

2066
01:41:00,040 --> 01:41:04,040
city open, the battlements 
unmanned, and the banners of 

2067
01:41:04,040 --> 01:41:08,720
House Targaryen, House Tyrell 
and House Hightower flying side 

2068
01:41:08,720 --> 01:41:13,350
by side atop the city walls. 
The Dowager Queen Besenia was 

2069
01:41:13,350 --> 01:41:17,110
the first to learn the news. 
Sometime during the blackest 

2070
01:41:17,150 --> 01:41:21,710
hour of that long and dreadful 
night, the High Septon had died.

2071
01:41:22,430 --> 01:41:25,310
So just like the High the the 
first High Septon that 

2072
01:41:25,310 --> 01:41:28,990
surrendered his thing seems so 
engineered, this seems very 

2073
01:41:28,990 --> 01:41:31,350
clearly engineered as well, 
right? 

2074
01:41:31,350 --> 01:41:33,470
Like, pretty clearly 
straightforward. 

2075
01:41:33,470 --> 01:41:36,950
Like, no way was that a 
coincidence, especially because 

2076
01:41:37,310 --> 01:41:44,470
this dude was healthy. 
He was known to be someone who 

2077
01:41:44,950 --> 01:41:48,630
just had endless energy. 
He could preach for a day and a 

2078
01:41:48,630 --> 01:41:51,750
night without getting tired. 
He was famous for his energy 

2079
01:41:51,750 --> 01:41:54,310
level. 
So yeah, maybe he just burned 

2080
01:41:54,310 --> 01:41:57,830
out drop dead. 
But so unlikely, so unlikely. 

2081
01:41:57,830 --> 01:42:00,190
I I mean, it's hard for me to 
believe. 

2082
01:42:00,190 --> 01:42:02,790
It's almost hard for me to even 
consider that as a possibly. 

2083
01:42:02,790 --> 01:42:05,550
It's only in there because it is
technically possible, You know, 

2084
01:42:05,590 --> 01:42:09,370
a person can die at any time. 
But no, I I mean, yeah, the 

2085
01:42:09,370 --> 01:42:11,330
timing is we we, we expect he 
was murdered. 

2086
01:42:11,610 --> 01:42:15,290
But who Who did it? 
Like more did Martin just like 

2087
01:42:15,290 --> 01:42:18,210
pretend like he was going to 
fight just to show his strength 

2088
01:42:18,210 --> 01:42:22,130
And then Oh well, I stopped and 
died and now well that's that 

2089
01:42:22,130 --> 01:42:24,010
changes everything. 
So he doesn't want to look like 

2090
01:42:24,010 --> 01:42:27,210
a coward or I don't know. 
But but the text gives us a lot 

2091
01:42:27,210 --> 01:42:28,810
of options. 
Here's some more quote. 

2092
01:42:29,650 --> 01:42:32,690
Some say that his high holiness 
took his own life. 

2093
01:42:33,180 --> 01:42:37,380
And what was either the act of a
Craven afraid to face the wrath 

2094
01:42:37,460 --> 01:42:42,020
of King Meghor, or a noble 
sacrifice to spare the good folk

2095
01:42:42,060 --> 01:42:46,700
of Old Town from dragon fire? 
Others claim the seven struck 

2096
01:42:46,700 --> 01:42:51,100
him down for the sin of pride, 
for heresy, treason and 

2097
01:42:51,100 --> 01:42:54,500
arrogance. 
Many and more remain certain he 

2098
01:42:54,500 --> 01:42:57,060
was murdered. 
But by whom? 

2099
01:42:57,820 --> 01:43:01,300
Sir Morgan Hightower did the 
deed at the command of his Lord 

2100
01:43:01,300 --> 01:43:05,200
brother, some say. 
And Sir Morgan was seen entering

2101
01:43:05,200 --> 01:43:08,280
and leaving the High Septons 
Privy chambers that night. 

2102
01:43:08,920 --> 01:43:13,640
Others point to the Lady Patrice
Hightower, Lord Martin's maiden 

2103
01:43:13,720 --> 01:43:18,240
aunt and a reputed witch, who 
did indeed seek an audience with

2104
01:43:18,240 --> 01:43:22,360
his High Holiness at dusk, 
though he was alive when she 

2105
01:43:22,360 --> 01:43:25,760
departed. 
The Archmasters of the Citadel 

2106
01:43:25,960 --> 01:43:29,680
are also suspected, though 
whether they made use of the 

2107
01:43:29,680 --> 01:43:34,960
Dark Arts and assassin. 
Or a poison scroll is still a 

2108
01:43:34,960 --> 01:43:38,600
matter of some debate. 
Messages went back and forth 

2109
01:43:38,600 --> 01:43:42,800
between the Citadel and the 
Starry Sept all night, and there

2110
01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:46,760
are still others who hold them 
all blameless and lay the High 

2111
01:43:46,760 --> 01:43:51,760
Septon's death at the door of 
another rumored sorceress, the 

2112
01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:56,520
Dowager Queen Vasenia Targaryen.
The truth will likely never be 

2113
01:43:56,520 --> 01:43:59,800
known, but the swift reaction of
Lord Martin. 

2114
01:44:00,120 --> 01:44:04,120
When word reached him at the 
Hightower is beyond dispute. 

2115
01:44:04,360 --> 01:44:08,240
Yes, it's notable that the High 
Septon was calling for the gods 

2116
01:44:08,240 --> 01:44:10,440
to intervene against Megor and 
to send you, and he's the one 

2117
01:44:10,440 --> 01:44:11,800
who died. 
And people are like, that's the 

2118
01:44:11,800 --> 01:44:14,200
will of the gods, that's who the
gods struck down. 

2119
01:44:14,920 --> 01:44:17,600
That's funny, the Citadel is an 
interesting possibility. 

2120
01:44:17,600 --> 01:44:20,440
Like, I don't think they 
poisoned the High Septon, 

2121
01:44:20,440 --> 01:44:23,680
although it is. 
Again, can't dismiss it, can't 

2122
01:44:23,680 --> 01:44:26,500
rule it out, but it is. 
Interesting that they had all 

2123
01:44:26,500 --> 01:44:27,780
these messages going back and 
forth all night. 

2124
01:44:27,780 --> 01:44:29,460
The Citadel's like trying to 
reason with him. 

2125
01:44:29,460 --> 01:44:35,020
Like, dude, this can't be the 
right way to proceed. 

2126
01:44:35,020 --> 01:44:37,820
Just yell at Meg or until he 
comes and burns the city. 

2127
01:44:37,820 --> 01:44:41,340
Like, how is that going to 
result in a win for the faith? 

2128
01:44:41,340 --> 01:44:43,020
Like how? 
How can we possibly go down this

2129
01:44:43,020 --> 01:44:45,500
path? 
But the Citadel has limited 

2130
01:44:45,500 --> 01:44:47,540
means to do anything about it 
other than reason with him. 

2131
01:44:47,540 --> 01:44:51,140
Except if we take this notion of
a poison scroll seriously, 

2132
01:44:51,140 --> 01:44:53,270
which? 
We don't know if that's even a 

2133
01:44:53,270 --> 01:44:55,750
thing. 
I don't know of any examples of 

2134
01:44:55,750 --> 01:44:58,230
poison scrolls, although I 
wouldn't put it past, like, The 

2135
01:44:58,230 --> 01:45:00,270
Faceless Man to come up with 
something like that. 

2136
01:45:00,270 --> 01:45:03,750
Still, it seems kind of like 
they're just throwing darts at a

2137
01:45:03,750 --> 01:45:05,830
dartboard here, like, well, it 
could have been the Citadel, 

2138
01:45:05,830 --> 01:45:08,230
because it could have been the 
Citadel, not because there's any

2139
01:45:08,230 --> 01:45:11,350
direct evidence, like messages. 
Isn't much, isn't much evidence.

2140
01:45:12,690 --> 01:45:15,090
Almost anyone has motivation 
because everyone's scared of 

2141
01:45:15,090 --> 01:45:16,450
just getting burned. 
Yeah, you're right. 

2142
01:45:16,450 --> 01:45:18,370
That's why it's so hard. 
It's like every single person is

2143
01:45:18,370 --> 01:45:22,410
like shut up, bicep and. 
Not just personal fear, but 

2144
01:45:22,410 --> 01:45:25,330
they're afraid for like their 
city, their families, their 

2145
01:45:25,330 --> 01:45:27,970
compatriots, their history and 
never everything else is 

2146
01:45:27,970 --> 01:45:29,930
connected to it. 
Like, not, but maybe also 

2147
01:45:29,930 --> 01:45:33,170
themselves, which I imagine just
to be the makings of a really 

2148
01:45:33,170 --> 01:45:37,530
intriguing episode, at least of 
a of a TV show, if not a movie 

2149
01:45:37,530 --> 01:45:40,490
or whatever, but just. 
To see the inside, to see this 

2150
01:45:40,490 --> 01:45:42,290
interaction. 
And I thought a lot about it 

2151
01:45:42,290 --> 01:45:44,250
too. 
I think another you know, 

2152
01:45:44,290 --> 01:45:47,570
suspect is there's some other 
septum or group of septums they 

2153
01:45:47,570 --> 01:45:49,290
might like. 
You might be preaching all this,

2154
01:45:49,290 --> 01:45:52,450
but all the people under him are
like, look man, like you got it 

2155
01:45:52,650 --> 01:45:55,930
and and maybe they were like, 
hey Citadel, is there any 

2156
01:45:55,930 --> 01:45:57,890
precedent? 
Can you research your books and 

2157
01:45:57,890 --> 01:45:59,530
find something to tell him? 
Can we get? 

2158
01:45:59,650 --> 01:46:01,530
Hey, can we remove him from 
office somehow? 

2159
01:46:01,530 --> 01:46:02,890
Yeah, that's a great point. 
Yeah. 

2160
01:46:03,250 --> 01:46:04,650
Send us some poison. 
What poison? 

2161
01:46:04,650 --> 01:46:06,930
I can imagine multiple people 
like. 

2162
01:46:07,240 --> 01:46:10,120
Coming and going and maybe even 
some people around him being 

2163
01:46:10,120 --> 01:46:12,760
convinced by all the other 
arguments, going to him and him 

2164
01:46:12,760 --> 01:46:14,840
not accepting. 
But everyone else is realizing 

2165
01:46:15,120 --> 01:46:17,840
the danger that they didn't know
was there because the Dragons 

2166
01:46:17,840 --> 01:46:20,920
were the options they have to do
something different and on and 

2167
01:46:20,920 --> 01:46:22,120
on. 
You're right though, that's a 

2168
01:46:22,120 --> 01:46:25,240
really, that's a good catch. 
And the the Faith aren't 

2169
01:46:25,240 --> 01:46:27,000
mentioned. 
His fellow faithful are not 

2170
01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:30,080
mentioned as the potential 
murderers here, which they 

2171
01:46:30,080 --> 01:46:31,760
should be. 
I mean, I'm not saying they're 

2172
01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:34,040
any more suspect than the rest, 
but. 

2173
01:46:34,590 --> 01:46:37,150
Like you say, pretty much 
everyone had the incentive to 

2174
01:46:37,150 --> 01:46:40,350
get rid of this guy. 
The only one I don't believe is 

2175
01:46:40,350 --> 01:46:43,230
Besenia because like she's on 
her dragon flying bear. 

2176
01:46:43,230 --> 01:46:46,950
Like how is she going to arrange
for this guy's death and a part 

2177
01:46:46,950 --> 01:46:47,630
of her? 
Angie. 

2178
01:46:47,710 --> 01:46:50,110
Yeah, yeah, she's casting spells
from dragon back. 

2179
01:46:50,110 --> 01:46:52,790
Yeah. 
Like, yeah, that doesn't that 

2180
01:46:52,790 --> 01:46:55,550
doesn't really work for me 
anyway. 

2181
01:46:55,830 --> 01:46:58,910
Patrice Hightower again, she 
gets mentioned as a witch and 

2182
01:46:58,910 --> 01:47:00,630
you know, she was in his 
presence, so that's 

2183
01:47:01,350 --> 01:47:05,140
circumstantial, but. 
I I mean, I wouldn't cast her 

2184
01:47:05,140 --> 01:47:10,260
aside like if she's if her 
nephew is like we got to get rid

2185
01:47:10,260 --> 01:47:14,140
of the high septum, she might be
a a means to make that happen. 

2186
01:47:14,500 --> 01:47:20,020
On the other hand, it's already 
an established prejudice against

2187
01:47:20,020 --> 01:47:22,820
women in Westeros that poison as
a woman's weapon or a Gornish 

2188
01:47:22,820 --> 01:47:25,460
weapon. 
So yeah, that's that's more 

2189
01:47:25,460 --> 01:47:30,190
likely why she's suspected. 
But she's more likely than a lot

2190
01:47:30,190 --> 01:47:31,670
of these other ones. 
At least she's an individual 

2191
01:47:31,670 --> 01:47:34,430
where the rest is like the 
Citadel, like, well, who? 

2192
01:47:34,430 --> 01:47:35,910
That's like the Citadel's. 
A lot of people. 

2193
01:47:36,790 --> 01:47:41,190
Morgan Hightower, though This is
the guy that I think we should 

2194
01:47:41,190 --> 01:47:44,830
be most suspicious of. 
Yes, he explicitly went into the

2195
01:47:44,830 --> 01:47:46,710
Chambers and left. 
He was definitely the high 

2196
01:47:46,710 --> 01:47:49,910
Steppens presence. 
That by itself doesn't tell you 

2197
01:47:49,910 --> 01:47:52,670
the story. 
Nina agrees. 

2198
01:47:52,830 --> 01:47:55,790
And let's get into why he's the 
most suspicious by far. 

2199
01:47:56,270 --> 01:47:59,270
Martin immediately ordered the 
arrest of his own brother. 

2200
01:47:59,310 --> 01:48:01,510
But not just his brother, all 
the warrior sons. 

2201
01:48:01,510 --> 01:48:04,350
But his brother was the captain 
of the Old Town chapter of 

2202
01:48:04,350 --> 01:48:06,990
Warrior Son. 
So he orders them all arrested, 

2203
01:48:06,990 --> 01:48:09,750
which is interesting. 
Why did he order them arrested? 

2204
01:48:09,750 --> 01:48:14,310
Was it because to to for Meg 
Or's benefit, to show that he 

2205
01:48:14,310 --> 01:48:16,710
had the, you know, these these 
people locked up or whatever, 

2206
01:48:16,710 --> 01:48:18,870
even though these these 
particular group wasn't probably

2207
01:48:18,870 --> 01:48:22,220
guilty of anything? 
Unless they were guilty, 

2208
01:48:22,220 --> 01:48:25,020
potentially, of murdering Lord 
Hightower. 

2209
01:48:25,300 --> 01:48:26,940
I mean, sorry, the septum, the 
high septum. 

2210
01:48:27,860 --> 01:48:30,580
Either he felt strongly with 
regard to who to blame, or he 

2211
01:48:30,580 --> 01:48:36,100
was doing a show for Meg or, or 
it was a setup to hide the real 

2212
01:48:36,100 --> 01:48:38,220
killer. 
There's a lot of possible just 

2213
01:48:38,220 --> 01:48:41,020
like because it's so hard to pin
down the real killer, it's so 

2214
01:48:41,020 --> 01:48:43,780
hard to pin down Martin's 
motivation in his angle here. 

2215
01:48:44,640 --> 01:48:48,240
But they definitely waited for 
Megor to hold the trial. 

2216
01:48:48,240 --> 01:48:50,080
Like they had him preside over 
the trial. 

2217
01:48:50,080 --> 01:48:52,520
And that was important to let. 
He's the king, he's the one who 

2218
01:48:52,520 --> 01:48:54,760
dispenses justice. 
So they didn't want to do that 

2219
01:48:54,760 --> 01:48:56,880
without him. 
That's his authority. 

2220
01:48:57,480 --> 01:49:03,320
And while before Megor got there
though remember it said Vesenia 

2221
01:49:03,320 --> 01:49:07,480
arrived 1st and Megor arrived 
like at the break of day. 

2222
01:49:08,080 --> 01:49:13,000
Martin immediately sent a bunch 
of spearmen to the most devout 

2223
01:49:13,080 --> 01:49:15,430
and was like. 
You're choosing a new High 

2224
01:49:15,430 --> 01:49:19,030
Septon before May Gore gets here
like we have we have we got to 

2225
01:49:19,030 --> 01:49:22,550
do this now now now now kind of 
not quite like Stannis locking 

2226
01:49:22,550 --> 01:49:25,230
the the Knights watch in a room 
and being like you're choosing a

2227
01:49:25,230 --> 01:49:28,710
Lord Commander today. 
You know we're like this we're 

2228
01:49:28,710 --> 01:49:31,830
done with this. 
But it it's somewhat similar to 

2229
01:49:31,830 --> 01:49:34,110
that. 
So of course they're like 

2230
01:49:34,990 --> 01:49:38,110
reminding them, these spearmen. 
I'm sure the captain whoever 

2231
01:49:38,110 --> 01:49:42,030
Martin sent was told, given some
very specific orders as to what 

2232
01:49:42,030 --> 01:49:47,720
to say is like. 
If you choose unwisely, we're 

2233
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:50,360
all going to burn, you know? 
Make sure. 

2234
01:49:50,640 --> 01:49:54,720
And what I mean by unwisely is 
choose someone that's kind of 

2235
01:49:54,800 --> 01:49:57,040
soft or is going to do what Meg 
or wants. 

2236
01:49:57,040 --> 01:49:59,520
You know, like this isn't hard. 
Y'all like it's this isn't. 

2237
01:49:59,520 --> 01:50:03,080
Tricky. 
Someone that can interpret the 

2238
01:50:03,080 --> 01:50:05,920
faith more symbolically and less
literally or whatever. 

2239
01:50:06,160 --> 01:50:08,800
It is, yes. 
So they picked a 90 year old man

2240
01:50:08,800 --> 01:50:11,040
who could barely stand the 
weight of the crown. 

2241
01:50:11,730 --> 01:50:15,170
He's so like old that he 
couldn't even remember all the 

2242
01:50:15,170 --> 01:50:17,410
words during the coronation 
coronation ceremony. 

2243
01:50:17,610 --> 01:50:19,370
So this is clearly a figurehead 
guy. 

2244
01:50:20,210 --> 01:50:23,490
But the ceremony was official 
and they went to did another 

2245
01:50:23,490 --> 01:50:26,850
coronation making Meg or Crown 
Meg or again to like 

2246
01:50:27,210 --> 01:50:31,970
authenticate his usurpation 
which that had to make him like 

2247
01:50:31,970 --> 01:50:35,370
that was a plus for him. 
He liked that like this is CC 

2248
01:50:35,370 --> 01:50:38,250
Meg or this is what you get, you
get you get an official 

2249
01:50:38,370 --> 01:50:41,500
coronation that. 
Kind of legitimizes your reign 

2250
01:50:41,500 --> 01:50:43,780
here rather than burning us all.
Isn't that better? 

2251
01:50:43,780 --> 01:50:47,980
You know, that was a big deal. 
Vasenia was satisfied with that,

2252
01:50:47,980 --> 01:50:51,300
and she went back to Dragonstone
while Meg or proceeded to stay 

2253
01:50:51,300 --> 01:50:53,500
and dispense justice. 
He was there for six months. 

2254
01:50:54,940 --> 01:50:57,460
They chose a nine year old man. 
They could only could barely 

2255
01:50:57,500 --> 01:50:59,780
take the weight of the crown. 
That's the crystal crown. 

2256
01:50:59,780 --> 01:51:03,300
Yeah, that big crystal crown 
that that that the High Sparrow 

2257
01:51:03,340 --> 01:51:05,700
later sells for to feed the 
poor. 

2258
01:51:06,680 --> 01:51:09,400
Yeah, I I I was, I was trying to
remember if that was still in 

2259
01:51:09,400 --> 01:51:12,680
existence in current times. 
It seemed. 

2260
01:51:12,680 --> 01:51:15,160
And I I I had this idea in my 
mind that the High Spur would 

2261
01:51:15,160 --> 01:51:17,320
probably just sell that to help.
It was. 

2262
01:51:17,920 --> 01:51:21,640
It was a new one, actually, the 
one that was sold under by High 

2263
01:51:21,640 --> 01:51:22,960
Spur. 
It was a new one because the old

2264
01:51:22,960 --> 01:51:27,000
one, which might not even be 
this one, but the the highest, 

2265
01:51:27,080 --> 01:51:31,600
remember the High Septin died in
the riot, the bread riot, when 

2266
01:51:31,600 --> 01:51:35,130
Joffrey started the riot there. 
And they dragged him off of his 

2267
01:51:35,130 --> 01:51:36,730
litter and killed him. 
And he was wearing the crystal 

2268
01:51:36,730 --> 01:51:38,010
crown. 
So the crystal crown was like 

2269
01:51:38,330 --> 01:51:40,210
destroyed and pulled into a 
million pieces there if I 

2270
01:51:40,210 --> 01:51:42,890
remember correctly. 
So they so that maybe that was 

2271
01:51:42,890 --> 01:51:45,610
this crown, but. 
Because I was thinking a crystal

2272
01:51:45,610 --> 01:51:47,490
crown doesn't seem like 
something that would last 

2273
01:51:47,850 --> 01:51:53,210
century. 
It's the it's the Crown of 

2274
01:51:53,210 --> 01:51:54,890
Theseus. 
It's been it doesn't have any of

2275
01:51:54,890 --> 01:51:59,890
its original parts. 
So the High Septon of course 

2276
01:51:59,890 --> 01:52:03,700
taking. 
Orders or or the advice of the 

2277
01:52:03,700 --> 01:52:07,220
most about and or Lord Martin 
dissolved. 

2278
01:52:07,380 --> 01:52:11,420
The warriors sons and the poor 
fellow like they're gone. 

2279
01:52:11,420 --> 01:52:13,180
Like they're no longer an 
official order. 

2280
01:52:13,420 --> 01:52:17,060
They're all anyone in that order
that doesn't lay down their arms

2281
01:52:17,700 --> 01:52:20,860
is an outlaw. 
You got a year to comply, Okay. 

2282
01:52:20,860 --> 01:52:22,020
So they gave him a little bit of
time. 

2283
01:52:22,180 --> 01:52:26,340
So this is almost certainly one 
of the behind the scenes 

2284
01:52:26,700 --> 01:52:29,300
negotiations made with Meg or 
like yeah, we'll give you your 

2285
01:52:29,300 --> 01:52:32,570
coronation. 
And you do this, you don't burn 

2286
01:52:32,570 --> 01:52:34,730
us. 
But Negor's like, but we got, 

2287
01:52:34,730 --> 01:52:36,570
you got to like also get rid of 
these orders. 

2288
01:52:36,570 --> 01:52:39,010
This has to be an official thing
like we, you know, we're done 

2289
01:52:39,010 --> 01:52:41,690
with them. 
I stepped in the most about. 

2290
01:52:41,690 --> 01:52:45,370
We're like, yeah, we agree. 
And of course Valerian was right

2291
01:52:45,370 --> 01:52:46,650
there. 
So of course they were going to 

2292
01:52:46,730 --> 01:52:50,250
agree. 
As an aside, I wonder, is 

2293
01:52:50,290 --> 01:52:53,130
Valerian too large to land atop 
the high tower? 

2294
01:52:53,130 --> 01:52:54,850
We know Silver Wing landed up 
there. 

2295
01:52:55,090 --> 01:52:57,690
So it's not out of the question,
but Valerian might just be too 

2296
01:52:57,730 --> 01:52:59,200
big. 
For that. 

2297
01:52:59,200 --> 01:53:03,240
But boy, would that look cool, 
landing next to that green flame

2298
01:53:03,240 --> 01:53:06,120
if it was still green when they 
may have changed the green back 

2299
01:53:06,120 --> 01:53:07,320
to normal by the time Meg were 
got there. 

2300
01:53:07,320 --> 01:53:08,200
Because they're like, no, we're 
not. 

2301
01:53:08,200 --> 01:53:09,560
We don't want him to think we're
fighting it. 

2302
01:53:10,320 --> 01:53:14,200
Turn that off. 
But man, that would look cool. 

2303
01:53:15,040 --> 01:53:16,560
The warriors. 
Remember some of the warriors 

2304
01:53:16,560 --> 01:53:19,040
sons were arrested right away. 
Like that's what Martin did 

2305
01:53:19,040 --> 01:53:20,760
immediately upon the death of 
High Septon. 

2306
01:53:20,760 --> 01:53:23,480
Not only did he rouse the most 
about and force them to choose a

2307
01:53:23,480 --> 01:53:25,800
new leader, he rounded up all 
the words. 

2308
01:53:25,800 --> 01:53:27,920
Remember, he rested his own, his
own brother. 

2309
01:53:28,790 --> 01:53:31,430
And they were given a choice. 
Of course they had to renounce 

2310
01:53:31,430 --> 01:53:32,710
the order because the order has 
been dissolved. 

2311
01:53:32,710 --> 01:53:35,550
So they had to renounce the 
order no matter what and either 

2312
01:53:36,430 --> 01:53:38,750
and take the black or face 
execution. 

2313
01:53:38,750 --> 01:53:40,990
If they didn't renounce the 
order slash take the black, they

2314
01:53:40,990 --> 01:53:43,150
would die. 1/4 of them chose 
death. 

2315
01:53:43,590 --> 01:53:47,230
The the seven who were seven of 
them came from families, famous 

2316
01:53:47,230 --> 01:53:49,670
families and Meg or executed 
them personally with black fire.

2317
01:53:49,670 --> 01:53:53,910
The rest were executed by their 
former brothers yet somehow. 

2318
01:53:54,740 --> 01:53:59,940
Somehow one person was pardoned.
Only one person was pardoned. 

2319
01:53:59,940 --> 01:54:03,700
And it was Sir Morgan Hightower,
the former captain of the 

2320
01:54:03,700 --> 01:54:07,900
warriors sons and brother to the
Lord of Hightower. 

2321
01:54:07,900 --> 01:54:12,700
Somehow he was spared all this, 
which is of course, Yeah, gosh, 

2322
01:54:12,700 --> 01:54:14,220
doesn't look fishy at all, does 
it? 

2323
01:54:14,900 --> 01:54:17,020
So this might have been part of 
the deal, like whatever behind 

2324
01:54:17,020 --> 01:54:19,060
the scenes negotiation. 
OK, so Morgan gets a pardon. 

2325
01:54:19,660 --> 01:54:22,490
The warriors sons are dissolved.
The rest go to the wall. 

2326
01:54:22,650 --> 01:54:25,450
This and that you. 
But there was another thing. 

2327
01:54:25,530 --> 01:54:27,930
And most of these things seem to
be in Meg Or's favor. 

2328
01:54:27,930 --> 01:54:29,170
What did the high towers get out
of it? 

2329
01:54:29,170 --> 01:54:31,050
Well, there's a thing or two. 
We'll see in a minute. 

2330
01:54:32,730 --> 01:54:36,770
But yeah, like, ultra fishy, 
like, come on, like, doll, 

2331
01:54:36,770 --> 01:54:39,410
that's so blatant, right? 
But who's going to do anything 

2332
01:54:39,410 --> 01:54:41,050
about it? 
Well, I'll tell you, Someone is 

2333
01:54:41,050 --> 01:54:43,010
going to do something. 
About it, is it? 

2334
01:54:43,730 --> 01:54:46,960
It shows how. 
About legitimate, Yeah, that 

2335
01:54:46,960 --> 01:54:50,520
deceptin was for not accepting, 
you know, willing to burn or 

2336
01:54:50,520 --> 01:54:53,000
whatever. 
It it's crazy, as it seemed to 

2337
01:54:53,000 --> 01:54:54,520
us. 
There's a bunch of other crazy 

2338
01:54:54,520 --> 01:54:57,400
people with them. 
Yeah, it just goes to show that 

2339
01:54:57,400 --> 01:55:00,480
you can. 
It also adds to the like, why 

2340
01:55:00,480 --> 01:55:03,120
certain High Tower Lords would 
be legitimately pious because 

2341
01:55:03,120 --> 01:55:05,440
they like this. 
It's a strong cultural element 

2342
01:55:05,440 --> 01:55:06,720
there. 
Yeah, like, you're right. 

2343
01:55:06,720 --> 01:55:09,200
Like a corner of them. 
It shows death instead of the 

2344
01:55:09,200 --> 01:55:12,040
wall going to the wall, which 
they might have been like, yeah.

2345
01:55:12,040 --> 01:55:14,600
Which might be death also, yeah.
So you can kind of maybe see. 

2346
01:55:14,970 --> 01:55:16,330
And that eventually became a 
problem, too. 

2347
01:55:16,330 --> 01:55:19,170
This is outside the scope of 
this episode, but recall that a 

2348
01:55:19,170 --> 01:55:22,250
lot of warriors, sons, and 
former faithful were sent to the

2349
01:55:22,250 --> 01:55:25,010
Wall, and then a bunch of Megor 
supporters were sent to the 

2350
01:55:25,010 --> 01:55:27,250
Wall. 
There were. 

2351
01:55:27,250 --> 01:55:30,450
Certainly the people at the Wall
are going to be in conflict. 

2352
01:55:30,450 --> 01:55:32,050
We don't like each other. 
You you got. 

2353
01:55:32,050 --> 01:55:34,250
You sent us here where? 
Yeah, we did. 

2354
01:55:34,450 --> 01:55:36,250
Now we're here with. 
You a follow up. 

2355
01:55:36,250 --> 01:55:40,410
A follow up thought is how many 
was that he he executed 1/4 and 

2356
01:55:40,410 --> 01:55:43,750
the other 3/4 went to the wall. 
Out of that was like I think it.

2357
01:55:43,750 --> 01:55:45,310
Was 200, Yeah. 
So it would have been like 40 

2358
01:55:45,310 --> 01:55:46,870
plus. 
That's also pretty awful, but 

2359
01:55:46,990 --> 01:55:49,750
yeah. 
It's true, yeah, it's it would 

2360
01:55:49,750 --> 01:55:51,430
have been a bloody day. 
Yeah. 

2361
01:55:52,710 --> 01:55:54,030
Remember, the coronation's a big
deal. 

2362
01:55:54,030 --> 01:55:58,070
As I said, there is still the 
usurp line, completely untouched

2363
01:55:58,070 --> 01:56:00,230
to sitting there. 
Megor wasn't threatened by them 

2364
01:56:00,230 --> 01:56:03,790
in part because they weren't 
even with their Dragons when 

2365
01:56:03,790 --> 01:56:06,430
Megor made his move. 
They were just in the West 

2366
01:56:06,710 --> 01:56:09,200
doing. 
Royal progress stuff without 

2367
01:56:09,200 --> 01:56:11,480
their Dragons. 
When Meg or seized King's 

2368
01:56:11,480 --> 01:56:14,080
Landing, their Dragons were 
there, so they didn't have 

2369
01:56:14,080 --> 01:56:17,440
access to their Dragons, except 
they maybe did while he was in 

2370
01:56:17,440 --> 01:56:20,120
Old Town, and that's kind of 
what happened. 

2371
01:56:20,480 --> 01:56:23,960
We'll get to that in a second. 
But it was almost certainly part

2372
01:56:23,960 --> 01:56:25,240
of the, you know, the 
arrangements. 

2373
01:56:25,640 --> 01:56:31,080
The Faith was already 
predisposed against Agon and 

2374
01:56:31,080 --> 01:56:33,640
Reyna, as we said, the Isepton 
was like. 

2375
01:56:34,040 --> 01:56:36,560
Are you kidding me? 
You married to a brother and 

2376
01:56:36,560 --> 01:56:38,400
sister after all this other 
stuff? 

2377
01:56:38,960 --> 01:56:40,640
That's part of what got this 
started. 

2378
01:56:40,800 --> 01:56:44,040
So of course they even though 
Megor was awful and brutal and 

2379
01:56:44,440 --> 01:56:47,720
murdering faithful. 
Well, the other branch of the 

2380
01:56:47,720 --> 01:56:51,200
Targaryens was engaged in 
straight up incest and weren't 

2381
01:56:51,440 --> 01:56:53,760
threatening them with the 
dragon, the biggest one. 

2382
01:56:54,080 --> 01:56:57,600
So you could see why they, like,
had to go along with Megor. 

2383
01:56:58,080 --> 01:57:00,320
They may have wanted to, but 
they kind of also kind of had 

2384
01:57:00,320 --> 01:57:02,680
to. 
So remember Cerise? 

2385
01:57:03,090 --> 01:57:05,650
She was back in Old Town at this
point though she had returned 

2386
01:57:05,650 --> 01:57:10,090
because she was sick of the 
healing hands of Septon creepy 

2387
01:57:10,090 --> 01:57:13,610
Murmisson. 
And this was an opportunity. 

2388
01:57:13,610 --> 01:57:16,330
And I'm guessing that among the 
things they negotiated with Meg 

2389
01:57:16,330 --> 01:57:19,130
or along with yeah we'll do 
these things you want but you 

2390
01:57:19,130 --> 01:57:22,450
have to take Cyrese back, which 
he did. 

2391
01:57:23,410 --> 01:57:28,410
But there it came with some 
extra considerations that they 

2392
01:57:28,450 --> 01:57:30,370
they had to concede a few other 
things. 

2393
01:57:30,370 --> 01:57:33,250
So here we go quote. 
During his time at Old Town the 

2394
01:57:33,490 --> 01:57:36,530
King was also reconciled with 
his first wife, Queen Cerise, 

2395
01:57:36,730 --> 01:57:38,730
the sister of his hosts Lord 
Hightower. 

2396
01:57:39,330 --> 01:57:42,050
Everybody agreed to accept the 
King's other wives to treat them

2397
01:57:42,050 --> 01:57:44,850
with respect and honor and speak
no further ill against them 

2398
01:57:45,090 --> 01:57:48,410
whilst Megors, while Megor swore
to restore cerise all the 

2399
01:57:48,410 --> 01:57:52,010
rights, incomes, privileges to 
her as his wedded wife and 

2400
01:57:52,010 --> 01:57:55,690
queen, a great feast was held at
the Hightower to celebrate the 

2401
01:57:55,690 --> 01:57:58,850
reconciliation. 
Rebels even included Abetting in

2402
01:57:58,850 --> 01:58:01,470
a second. 
Consummation so all men would 

2403
01:58:01,470 --> 01:58:03,950
know this to be true and loving 
union. 

2404
01:58:03,950 --> 01:58:06,870
True and loving union. 
Yeah, it's anything but that. 

2405
01:58:07,870 --> 01:58:10,910
So all people would be convinced
of this bold lie. 

2406
01:58:13,910 --> 01:58:16,390
This was backing them up. 
This was like also a way to make

2407
01:58:16,550 --> 01:58:19,990
sure Meg or would have their 
support if it came to war 

2408
01:58:19,990 --> 01:58:22,630
against the other branch of the 
family, which it did soon after 

2409
01:58:22,630 --> 01:58:27,510
this, because yeah, they while 
he was down in Old Town, Agon 

2410
01:58:27,510 --> 01:58:29,030
and Reyna realized they could 
make their move. 

2411
01:58:30,260 --> 01:58:32,100
And either way, the Hightower 
shouldn't want to make an enemy 

2412
01:58:32,100 --> 01:58:33,700
of him, especially when he was 
right there. 

2413
01:58:33,780 --> 01:58:36,460
But Megher wasn't an idiot. 
He he did kind of go maybe 

2414
01:58:36,460 --> 01:58:41,340
there's there's there's evidence
that maybe he lost his mind a 

2415
01:58:41,340 --> 01:58:44,460
bit as things went on, like 
power went to his head, cruelty.

2416
01:58:44,460 --> 01:58:48,500
Maybe he had went crazy over 
time, like Aries may have. 

2417
01:58:48,500 --> 01:58:50,980
Maybe he had some mental health 
issues that caused him to lose 

2418
01:58:50,980 --> 01:58:52,980
his grip on reality. 
Who knows? 

2419
01:58:52,980 --> 01:58:56,540
The thing is, early on, yeah, he
was brutal, but he wasn't 

2420
01:58:56,540 --> 01:58:58,300
stupid. 
He did a lot of clever things. 

2421
01:58:59,000 --> 01:59:00,920
He knew he needed allies. 
He knew he wouldn't be able to 

2422
01:59:00,920 --> 01:59:05,520
hold the throne and rule 
Westeros without powerful houses

2423
01:59:05,520 --> 01:59:08,400
behind him. 
So with the high towers in his 

2424
01:59:08,400 --> 01:59:11,480
camp, he could proceed with a 
lot more confidence. 

2425
01:59:11,480 --> 01:59:14,960
Like Okay, I've got the high 
towers behind me now. 

2426
01:59:14,960 --> 01:59:16,920
I'm a lot more formidable than I
was. 

2427
01:59:17,960 --> 01:59:21,160
And it was natural for many 
reasons, this alliance, because 

2428
01:59:21,160 --> 01:59:22,920
as we said, they were already 
together. 

2429
01:59:22,920 --> 01:59:24,760
They already had the preexisting
marriage. 

2430
01:59:25,360 --> 01:59:27,520
But of course there are these 
issues. 

2431
01:59:28,400 --> 01:59:30,040
The war against the Faith 
Militant. 

2432
01:59:30,880 --> 01:59:34,040
Despite the way they dodged this
bullet it still isn't popular 

2433
01:59:34,040 --> 01:59:37,200
that he's at war with the faith.
Like that's not a good thing you

2434
01:59:37,200 --> 01:59:38,760
know for for their relationship 
with him. 

2435
01:59:39,480 --> 01:59:41,640
But so you kind of wonder some 
high towers might have been 

2436
01:59:41,640 --> 01:59:45,440
like, oh this is bad we didn't 
want Cyrese to be close again 

2437
01:59:45,440 --> 01:59:48,920
with Meg where we wanted to 
further separate ourselves from 

2438
01:59:48,920 --> 01:59:53,600
this guy. 
But again they we're not sure 

2439
01:59:53,600 --> 01:59:56,040
what they really thought of it 
and Despite that. 

2440
01:59:56,350 --> 01:59:58,310
They may have realized they 
weren't really getting into bed 

2441
01:59:58,310 --> 02:00:02,030
with Meg or too much because 
this marriage hadn't produced 

2442
02:00:02,030 --> 02:00:04,670
any kids and they weren't any 
younger, right? 

2443
02:00:04,670 --> 02:00:07,550
Cerise was like 40 by this 
point, so it didn't. 

2444
02:00:07,910 --> 02:00:11,430
The odds weren't getting better 
of her having children, So it 

2445
02:00:11,430 --> 02:00:14,110
seemed like this alliance might 
have had an expiration date. 

2446
02:00:14,110 --> 02:00:16,470
If kids are going to be brought 
into it, then it could like, who

2447
02:00:16,470 --> 02:00:17,950
knows? 
Like you've got family members 

2448
02:00:17,950 --> 02:00:21,670
born and that could keep this in
place for generations. 

2449
02:00:22,150 --> 02:00:24,750
But it with no kids, you can see
it ending. 

2450
02:00:24,790 --> 02:00:26,670
And then the high towers are 
like, okay, well, we're free and

2451
02:00:26,670 --> 02:00:29,150
clear of Megor because we don't,
we won't actually have a family 

2452
02:00:29,150 --> 02:00:32,590
connection anymore. 
So they may have looked forward 

2453
02:00:32,590 --> 02:00:34,550
to that day and just been like 
we got to wait all this out. 

2454
02:00:35,990 --> 02:00:41,870
Also, this is before Megor's 
horrific infants were born. 

2455
02:00:41,870 --> 02:00:46,030
The ones that had just creepy 
things wrong with them, some of 

2456
02:00:46,030 --> 02:00:49,590
them a little draconic, some of 
them just like missing eyes and 

2457
02:00:49,590 --> 02:00:51,710
limbs and all the none of that 
had happened yet. 

2458
02:00:52,150 --> 02:00:54,510
This is later in his reigns, and
people started calling those 

2459
02:00:54,510 --> 02:00:56,670
children like abominations, like
the punishment of the gods. 

2460
02:00:56,670 --> 02:00:58,990
That would have also really 
altered the picture here of 

2461
02:00:58,990 --> 02:01:02,710
their desire to be in a 
relationship with him, in an 

2462
02:01:02,710 --> 02:01:05,550
alliance with him, because 
things just turned South so bad.

2463
02:01:05,550 --> 02:01:09,070
But they hadn't yet, so that's 
really important. 

2464
02:01:09,670 --> 02:01:12,670
Just like it was a problem 
regarding the incest of Rainies 

2465
02:01:12,670 --> 02:01:17,150
and Agon, though they were 
against him, Megor's polygamy 

2466
02:01:17,150 --> 02:01:18,910
was against church dictates, and
he was going to get worse with 

2467
02:01:18,910 --> 02:01:20,590
that as well. 
He was going to marry three more

2468
02:01:20,590 --> 02:01:22,810
people. 
And do it in a really horrible 

2469
02:01:22,810 --> 02:01:24,250
way. 
But that also hadn't happened 

2470
02:01:24,250 --> 02:01:25,890
yet. 
That's going to be in our next 

2471
02:01:25,890 --> 02:01:27,290
episode. 
That won't, we won't even get to

2472
02:01:27,290 --> 02:01:29,850
that today because. 
The next episode's going to be 

2473
02:01:29,850 --> 02:01:31,370
horrible. 
Yeah, it's going to start off 

2474
02:01:31,370 --> 02:01:33,970
pretty horrible, yeah. 
But I mean, it's Megor the 

2475
02:01:33,970 --> 02:01:36,490
Cruel, right? 
So yeah, this is the year 43 and

2476
02:01:36,490 --> 02:01:39,130
Megor's reign was six years. 
This is only the 2nd year of his

2477
02:01:39,130 --> 02:01:41,370
reign. 
So while he's in the South 

2478
02:01:42,010 --> 02:01:45,130
before he's fully established, 
they Agon and Reyna may not even

2479
02:01:45,130 --> 02:01:49,970
known that Megor was pretty 
successful down there. 

2480
02:01:50,170 --> 02:01:52,390
How it all was going. 
Either way, they made their 

2481
02:01:52,390 --> 02:01:54,430
move. 
They snuck into King's Landing 

2482
02:01:55,030 --> 02:01:58,990
in disguise and there was no 
dragon pit yet and the Red Keep 

2483
02:01:58,990 --> 02:02:01,590
wasn't finished. 
So this isn't like now where 

2484
02:02:02,150 --> 02:02:04,590
it's hard to sneak in places. 
This was a city under 

2485
02:02:04,590 --> 02:02:07,230
construction. 
These things weren't complete 

2486
02:02:07,230 --> 02:02:08,430
dragon. 
I guess the dragon pit wasn't 

2487
02:02:08,430 --> 02:02:09,950
even started, let alone 
finished, and the Red Keep 

2488
02:02:09,950 --> 02:02:13,070
wasn't finished, you know, it's 
not as locked down, tight 

2489
02:02:13,070 --> 02:02:15,830
security kind of thing. 
So they they get, they get into 

2490
02:02:15,830 --> 02:02:20,350
the city with some help, grab 
their Dragons, fly out and with 

2491
02:02:20,350 --> 02:02:22,970
their Dragons. 
They're able to raise an army. 

2492
02:02:22,970 --> 02:02:24,570
It's like okay now we're a 
serious threat. 

2493
02:02:25,130 --> 02:02:30,690
Megor did not doubt he left Old 
Town quickly and presumably news

2494
02:02:30,690 --> 02:02:32,930
would have arrived by Raven. 
And you wonder, like did the 

2495
02:02:32,930 --> 02:02:35,250
citadel, do they delay giving 
this news to him or do they rush

2496
02:02:35,250 --> 02:02:36,930
it to him? 
You know you wonder is this room

2497
02:02:36,930 --> 02:02:41,810
for some some manipulation here.
I mean this is this is the 

2498
02:02:41,810 --> 02:02:43,690
center of communications for 
Westeros. 

2499
02:02:44,050 --> 02:02:47,730
The ravenry like this is where 
they hand out the maestros chain

2500
02:02:47,730 --> 02:02:50,570
link for ravenry skill and and 
where they're all trained. 

2501
02:02:50,570 --> 02:02:52,090
Yeah it's it's. 
Pretty important. 

2502
02:02:52,850 --> 02:02:54,650
Knowledge is power. 
That's no conspiracy. 

2503
02:02:54,770 --> 02:02:57,050
What what they do with that 
knowledge just all sorts of 

2504
02:02:57,090 --> 02:02:58,530
conspiracy. 
We can we can imagine some of 

2505
02:02:58,530 --> 02:03:01,530
which might actually be true but
the actual knowledge that's 

2506
02:03:01,530 --> 02:03:03,410
that's truth. 
So. 

2507
02:03:03,570 --> 02:03:06,090
But in this case I can't see any
reason for them to mess around 

2508
02:03:06,090 --> 02:03:07,730
too much. 
Megor's there. 

2509
02:03:07,730 --> 02:03:10,530
They just recommitted to him. 
You know I think they would. 

2510
02:03:11,450 --> 02:03:14,210
They probably still wanted him 
to win at this point because 

2511
02:03:14,210 --> 02:03:16,850
again he wasn't as awful as he 
was going to be. 

2512
02:03:18,190 --> 02:03:21,510
So he you wonder if the High 
Towers supplied any troops for 

2513
02:03:21,510 --> 02:03:23,710
this. 
I'm guessing they didn't, or if 

2514
02:03:23,710 --> 02:03:27,590
they did, the troops never got 
involved because Megor flew N to

2515
02:03:27,790 --> 02:03:28,910
on Valerian. 
The troops couldn't have 

2516
02:03:28,910 --> 02:03:31,150
possibly kept up with him, so 
maybe they were marching to join

2517
02:03:31,150 --> 02:03:33,070
him later. 
But the whole thing was. 

2518
02:03:33,070 --> 02:03:35,430
Only easy for them to say. 
Like, yeah, we'll give you all 

2519
02:03:35,430 --> 02:03:37,350
the troops you want. 
They're not going to hurt 

2520
02:03:37,350 --> 02:03:38,750
anyway. 
Because the thing was over 

2521
02:03:38,750 --> 02:03:40,270
before, they couldn't have 
marched in there anyway. 

2522
02:03:40,270 --> 02:03:43,510
So they even if they didn't, 
even if they did help, they 

2523
02:03:43,510 --> 02:03:44,950
couldn't have gotten there in 
time to matter. 

2524
02:03:44,950 --> 02:03:47,110
Because Megor again, not an 
idiot. 

2525
02:03:47,450 --> 02:03:49,770
He understood the scenario, 
especially when it comes to war,

2526
02:03:49,770 --> 02:03:52,330
the guy that definitely 
understood battle and all that 

2527
02:03:52,330 --> 02:03:56,130
stuff. 
So he realized that Aegon needed

2528
02:03:56,130 --> 02:03:58,450
to win a victory. 
He needed to have a win under 

2529
02:03:58,450 --> 02:04:00,810
his belt in order for people to 
take him seriously. 

2530
02:04:01,330 --> 02:04:03,650
There were a lot of Lords on the
fence that wouldn't have taken 

2531
02:04:03,690 --> 02:04:05,770
either side because they're just
like we have no idea who's going

2532
02:04:05,770 --> 02:04:07,810
to win here and they don't want 
to get caught in the middle. 

2533
02:04:07,810 --> 02:04:09,850
There's not really that. 
It's not that big a deal to sit 

2534
02:04:09,850 --> 02:04:12,050
out like Meg or isn't probably 
going to kill every single 

2535
02:04:12,050 --> 02:04:14,890
person that sat on the on the on
the sidelines. 

2536
02:04:16,220 --> 02:04:18,180
So a lot of people just sat back
and we're like, we're not doing 

2537
02:04:18,180 --> 02:04:19,860
anything. 
But if Agon had won a victory, 

2538
02:04:19,860 --> 02:04:23,460
they would have joined him and 
Megor knew that. 

2539
02:04:24,060 --> 02:04:25,860
So he was like, well, I'm not 
going to, I'm going to get to 

2540
02:04:25,860 --> 02:04:27,740
him as quick as possible and 
make sure he doesn't win a 

2541
02:04:27,740 --> 02:04:31,020
single victory. 
So he can't bring any new houses

2542
02:04:31,020 --> 02:04:35,220
on his side and just dip this in
the bud quickly and and he's 

2543
02:04:35,220 --> 02:04:39,180
going to do that personally by 
flying Valerians into the heat 

2544
02:04:39,180 --> 02:04:42,580
of the action. 
So there was a conflict and 

2545
02:04:42,580 --> 02:04:44,350
yeah. 
If there were high towers on the

2546
02:04:44,350 --> 02:04:46,910
March to join him, which is 
entirely possible, yeah, they 

2547
02:04:46,910 --> 02:04:50,590
didn't get there in time because
Valerian just killed Agon and 

2548
02:04:50,710 --> 02:04:54,870
that was that. 
The war ended by 44 A/C the 

2549
02:04:54,870 --> 02:04:59,070
following year, and Megor was 
firmly entrenched and Cerise 

2550
02:04:59,070 --> 02:05:02,590
came to court. 
She moved back from Old Town to 

2551
02:05:02,830 --> 02:05:06,270
the Red Keep, which was only 
almost finished then, and she 

2552
02:05:06,270 --> 02:05:09,350
went, and she this will be her 
first experience living with the

2553
02:05:09,390 --> 02:05:11,270
other Queens. 
There'd be Tiana. 

2554
02:05:11,990 --> 02:05:17,310
And Alice Haraway there, that 
super old High Septon who did 

2555
02:05:17,310 --> 02:05:20,350
all the things Meg were wanted 
died because he was really old, 

2556
02:05:20,790 --> 02:05:24,950
and he was replaced by a man who
came to be known as the High 

2557
02:05:24,950 --> 02:05:27,110
Lick Spittle. 
So this guy was even more of a 

2558
02:05:27,110 --> 02:05:31,670
Patsy. 
And the poor fellows in revolt 

2559
02:05:31,670 --> 02:05:36,150
were so unhappy with this choice
is that they in response to the 

2560
02:05:36,150 --> 02:05:39,390
naming of this man, they named 
their own High Septon. 

2561
02:05:40,150 --> 02:05:45,110
Septon Moon of an infamous guy 
who we've talked about in some 

2562
02:05:45,110 --> 02:05:47,950
of our fire and blood coverage 
in mock response. 

2563
02:05:47,950 --> 02:05:51,590
So the so they basically have 
like a papal schism the 

2564
02:05:51,590 --> 02:05:54,150
equivalent of that where there's
2 popes out there or the 

2565
02:05:54,150 --> 02:05:56,990
unofficial one and the the 
chosen one of the of the chosen 

2566
02:05:56,990 --> 02:05:59,910
one of the nobility and the 
chosen of the of the people or 

2567
02:05:59,910 --> 02:06:01,590
some people just. 
Cast the two popes. 

2568
02:06:03,750 --> 02:06:06,270
Most ideal form. 
Yeah, the most ideal form of 

2569
02:06:06,270 --> 02:06:11,180
leadership is 2 leaders. 
So it had been a full year. 

2570
02:06:11,260 --> 02:06:16,340
The the, the amnesty for poor 
fellows and were sons was over. 

2571
02:06:16,460 --> 02:06:19,060
So you had they had a year to 
lay down their weapons, but 

2572
02:06:19,460 --> 02:06:22,540
clearly the ones who hadn't laid
them down by then weren't gonna.

2573
02:06:22,940 --> 02:06:25,180
And Megor had already put out 
the bounties. 

2574
02:06:25,220 --> 02:06:29,780
A gold dragon for a warrior's 
son, a silver for a poor fellow.

2575
02:06:30,140 --> 02:06:33,020
Surely no one killed innocent 
people and claimed they were. 

2576
02:06:33,670 --> 02:06:35,910
Otherwise, no, there's no way 
that happened. 

2577
02:06:35,910 --> 02:06:39,190
We didn't see that with dwarfs 
under Cersei and then Tyrion, 

2578
02:06:39,190 --> 02:06:40,750
did we? 
No, that never happens. 

2579
02:06:40,750 --> 02:06:44,070
Yeah, the Red Dog of the Hills. 
Sir Joffrey dog. 

2580
02:06:44,070 --> 02:06:47,710
Another Joffrey here. 
It was one of the key leaders of

2581
02:06:48,190 --> 02:06:53,830
the Faith Militant uprising. 
And mostly he was active in the 

2582
02:06:53,830 --> 02:06:55,510
north. 
Not the north, North like 

2583
02:06:55,510 --> 02:06:57,990
Winterfell, but like far north 
of Old Town. 

2584
02:06:57,990 --> 02:07:00,510
Like the Golden Tooth area. 
North of the Golden Tooth. 

2585
02:07:00,510 --> 02:07:02,920
So. 
More like in the Riverlands and 

2586
02:07:02,920 --> 02:07:05,320
part of the Westerlands. 
But he was powerful enough to 

2587
02:07:05,320 --> 02:07:07,840
have a lot of reach, and they 
began assassinating people. 

2588
02:07:07,840 --> 02:07:10,400
They began killing people on the
road, people they saw as 

2589
02:07:10,400 --> 02:07:13,400
traitors, nobles that weren't 
pious enough. 

2590
02:07:13,960 --> 02:07:17,720
And one of these that they 
killed was Sir Morgan Hightower.

2591
02:07:17,960 --> 02:07:20,400
They were like, you got away 
with that. 

2592
02:07:20,400 --> 02:07:22,760
No, you didn't. 
They killed him. 

2593
02:07:23,370 --> 02:07:24,690
They murdered that dude on the 
road. 

2594
02:07:24,770 --> 02:07:27,690
Not pardoned after all. 
He was pardoned by his brother, 

2595
02:07:27,690 --> 02:07:30,290
but not pardoned by the people, 
not by the faith militants. 

2596
02:07:30,290 --> 02:07:34,170
So that guy was killed and he 
had been a former, you know, 

2597
02:07:34,170 --> 02:07:35,650
obviously commander of the 
warrior's son. 

2598
02:07:35,650 --> 02:07:38,050
So that was like they clearly 
killed him for being a turn 

2599
02:07:38,050 --> 02:07:40,090
Clover. 
In their mind, he was, yeah, he 

2600
02:07:40,170 --> 02:07:42,170
was a traitor. 
Now he, I don't know what his 

2601
02:07:42,170 --> 02:07:43,810
role was at this point. 
He clearly wasn't commander of 

2602
02:07:43,810 --> 02:07:46,570
the warrior's sons anymore. 
He may have just been a knight 

2603
02:07:46,570 --> 02:07:49,650
of House Hightower, you know, 
which is pretty prominent 

2604
02:07:49,650 --> 02:07:54,010
anyway, but either way. 
That's a pretty big deal. 

2605
02:07:54,010 --> 02:07:56,090
They killed him. 
And you wonder and only wonder 

2606
02:07:56,090 --> 02:07:57,730
what Lord Martin's reaction was 
to this. 

2607
02:07:57,970 --> 02:08:00,850
It wasn't far away. 
This was close. 

2608
02:08:01,050 --> 02:08:05,810
This was on the road from Old 
Town to the honey Holt. 

2609
02:08:06,330 --> 02:08:08,850
The honey Holt is the seat of of
the bees berries. 

2610
02:08:09,250 --> 02:08:11,410
The bees berries will have, of 
course, a reasonable yeah, 

2611
02:08:11,410 --> 02:08:14,170
right. 
A reasonably important role in 

2612
02:08:14,170 --> 02:08:17,210
the next episode because Lord 
Breesbury, the one killed. 

2613
02:08:17,930 --> 02:08:20,330
And House of the Dragon, that 
guy is master of Coin for like 

2614
02:08:20,330 --> 02:08:24,450
what 50 years or something. 
So way he's Lord of he's master 

2615
02:08:24,450 --> 02:08:27,130
Coin from way before the events 
of House of the Dragons start. 

2616
02:08:27,170 --> 02:08:29,410
And we know how the dragon 
starts 30 years before the war 

2617
02:08:29,690 --> 02:08:31,250
almost 30 years. 
So they're going to have some 

2618
02:08:31,250 --> 02:08:33,970
issues later Honey Holt will 
have issues with their with 

2619
02:08:33,970 --> 02:08:37,370
their Lord at the at the Old 
Town because of these these 

2620
02:08:37,370 --> 02:08:40,210
clashes. 
Not to mention a night of Honey 

2621
02:08:40,210 --> 02:08:42,920
Holt. 
Was among the warriors sons 

2622
02:08:42,920 --> 02:08:45,960
slain by Megor when he had that 
famous trial of seven, which by 

2623
02:08:45,960 --> 02:08:48,400
the way I didn't even mention as
one of the reasons Megor had 

2624
02:08:48,960 --> 02:08:53,480
some claim to the throne. 
He won a trial by 7 saying I'm 

2625
02:08:53,960 --> 02:08:56,480
the king now who's going to 
who's going to say otherwise? 

2626
02:08:56,480 --> 02:08:58,840
And the warriors son said we 
will and he beat them. 

2627
02:08:59,200 --> 02:09:04,360
So like if you're some faithful 
gods have already spoken. 

2628
02:09:05,200 --> 02:09:08,440
You're devout enough to die. 
Rather than go to the wall, you 

2629
02:09:08,440 --> 02:09:10,000
got to be devout enough to 
accept the. 

2630
02:09:10,660 --> 02:09:13,340
Trial of the seven right, but. 
Yeah, so it's really a weird 

2631
02:09:13,340 --> 02:09:15,060
spot. 
You pick and choose. 

2632
02:09:15,060 --> 02:09:16,740
It seems like everyone just 
picks and chooses. 

2633
02:09:16,860 --> 02:09:19,780
So you can see why there's 
issues between Honey Holt and 

2634
02:09:19,780 --> 02:09:22,500
the Hightower at this point 
maybe and and and maybe more 

2635
02:09:22,500 --> 02:09:25,180
issues later. 
So he's murdered on the road 

2636
02:09:25,180 --> 02:09:27,180
there and that's like so far 
from the golden tooth. 

2637
02:09:27,180 --> 02:09:29,940
Like if you look at the map, 
like where Joffrey Doggett's men

2638
02:09:29,940 --> 02:09:32,820
were nowhere remotely near this.
So that just goes to show how 

2639
02:09:32,820 --> 02:09:36,420
powerful the faith Milton were 
and and how many high-powered. 

2640
02:09:37,080 --> 02:09:39,080
More important, people were 
getting assassinated by them in 

2641
02:09:39,080 --> 02:09:40,720
this area. 
Like, the roads weren't safe for

2642
02:09:41,080 --> 02:09:43,000
for a lot of people unless you 
really traveled in force. 

2643
02:09:43,680 --> 02:09:47,080
And so that's that's a pretty 
huge deal. 

2644
02:09:47,080 --> 02:09:50,080
And yeah, what did Martin do? 
Did he send men out to hunt down

2645
02:09:50,080 --> 02:09:52,400
the killers? 
Probably did at least that much.

2646
02:09:52,400 --> 02:09:54,360
But he may not have expected 
much result from it because 

2647
02:09:54,920 --> 02:09:58,280
these men just vanish into the 
hedges and forests and live in 

2648
02:09:58,280 --> 02:10:00,920
caves, like the Brotherhood 
Without Banners are just it's 

2649
02:10:00,920 --> 02:10:04,480
hard to hunt them down. 
It's like chasing guerrilla 

2650
02:10:04,480 --> 02:10:07,730
fighters in Dorne. 
If you go off the beaten path, 

2651
02:10:07,730 --> 02:10:10,850
you're in their turf and all of 
a sudden you are subject to 

2652
02:10:10,850 --> 02:10:14,370
ambush and being in full plate 
mail is a disadvantage. 

2653
02:10:14,370 --> 02:10:18,210
And all these just changes the 
theater of war like it's a whole

2654
02:10:18,210 --> 02:10:23,850
different type of scenario. 
Meg or actually relaxed his 

2655
02:10:23,850 --> 02:10:27,650
campaign against the faith 
because he was concerned with 

2656
02:10:27,970 --> 02:10:31,170
establishing his power and 
finishing the Red Keep and maybe

2657
02:10:31,170 --> 02:10:33,370
planning the Dragon Pit which 
got kicked off. 

2658
02:10:34,280 --> 02:10:36,440
Not long after the Red Keep, the
same year. 

2659
02:10:36,640 --> 02:10:38,800
So he he finished the Red Keep 
in the year 45. 

2660
02:10:38,800 --> 02:10:42,440
Later that year he started the 
Dragon Pit, which he might have 

2661
02:10:42,440 --> 02:10:44,640
started even sooner, but 
remember he killed all the 

2662
02:10:44,640 --> 02:10:48,360
builders of the of the Red Keep 
so they wouldn't do the secrets.

2663
02:10:49,040 --> 02:10:52,200
So which made it? 
Hard to, you know, find new 

2664
02:10:52,200 --> 02:10:54,560
builders. 
They're like, well, no, I don't 

2665
02:10:54,560 --> 02:10:56,000
want to work. 
For not only are there less 

2666
02:10:56,040 --> 02:10:59,120
builders to find, the ones that 
are there are less experienced 

2667
02:10:59,120 --> 02:11:00,360
and more suspicious. 
Yeah. 

2668
02:11:00,760 --> 02:11:03,180
Now. 
Less likely to kill them because

2669
02:11:03,180 --> 02:11:05,300
there's no, there aren't these 
like secret passageways in the 

2670
02:11:05,300 --> 02:11:07,340
dragon, but they're not. 
They're still like, why take 

2671
02:11:07,340 --> 02:11:08,260
that chance? 
You know? 

2672
02:11:09,980 --> 02:11:13,300
So from afar, the high towers 
are like, this dude is just 

2673
02:11:13,300 --> 02:11:17,940
slowly getting worse and worse. 
He's slowly frittering away his 

2674
02:11:17,940 --> 02:11:22,220
authority, What he won by 
intimidation and and outright 

2675
02:11:22,220 --> 02:11:26,340
violence, he's losing through 
intimidation, outright violence.

2676
02:11:26,580 --> 02:11:30,060
It's like it is A2 edged sword 
and it's black fire. 

2677
02:11:30,060 --> 02:11:31,500
So it's a very sharp 2 edged 
sword. 

2678
02:11:32,210 --> 02:11:37,130
And it gave the high towers 
reasons to maybe reconsider if 

2679
02:11:37,130 --> 02:11:39,210
they weren't already 
reconsidering this relationship 

2680
02:11:39,210 --> 02:11:43,210
with Megor because of the 
killing of the builders and the 

2681
02:11:43,210 --> 02:11:45,850
recurring all the brutality 
against the faith which is kept 

2682
02:11:45,850 --> 02:11:50,930
escalating and escalating. 
At this time though, 45 A/C 

2683
02:11:51,210 --> 02:11:56,490
cerise dies of a sudden illness,
so they say, but no one believes

2684
02:11:56,490 --> 02:12:01,570
it because apparently. 
Megor ordered her tongue 

2685
02:12:01,570 --> 02:12:05,450
removed, and we know she was 
outspoken, and we know she 

2686
02:12:06,050 --> 02:12:08,490
didn't seem to be afraid of him 
like a lot of other people were.

2687
02:12:08,490 --> 02:12:12,410
So she seemed brave, but but 
apparently maybe it went to 

2688
02:12:12,410 --> 02:12:16,010
Maybe she went too far here 
because he ordered her tongue 

2689
02:12:16,010 --> 02:12:19,050
removed, apparently, and one of 
the King's Guard in the process 

2690
02:12:19,050 --> 02:12:20,450
of doing this killed her by 
accident. 

2691
02:12:21,290 --> 02:12:25,010
Later it's we're told that this 
is story was considered false 

2692
02:12:25,010 --> 02:12:27,810
later by later generations like 
they're like, oh this is just a 

2693
02:12:27,810 --> 02:12:30,970
way to Black and Meg Or's name. 
Like black and Meg Or's name 

2694
02:12:30,970 --> 02:12:36,410
like how can you make it any 
blacker like it's like it's like

2695
02:12:36,410 --> 02:12:39,170
y'all remember the the movie 
Spinal Tap when they wanted 

2696
02:12:39,170 --> 02:12:41,370
their album to be just black as 
possible. 

2697
02:12:41,410 --> 02:12:41,770
They're. 
Like. 

2698
02:12:42,130 --> 02:12:44,410
People will say how much blacker
can this get? 

2699
02:12:44,920 --> 02:12:46,120
None. 
None. 

2700
02:12:46,120 --> 02:12:47,480
More blacks. 
You know it's. 

2701
02:12:48,480 --> 02:12:52,560
It's so I was thinking about a 
Metalocalypse Blackest black. 

2702
02:12:52,640 --> 02:12:54,960
Yeah, like like how can this be 
worse? 

2703
02:12:54,960 --> 02:12:59,040
So a different kings guard, the 
one who supposedly held her down

2704
02:12:59,040 --> 02:13:01,840
while she was having her tongue 
removed, said, oh, she didn't 

2705
02:13:01,840 --> 02:13:04,440
die because of being stabbed, 
she died because of her shrewest

2706
02:13:04,440 --> 02:13:07,080
Nish, which is like confirming 
it. 

2707
02:13:07,080 --> 02:13:09,240
Like you're confirming that she 
didn't die of an illness. 

2708
02:13:09,240 --> 02:13:12,480
You're confirming that Meg or 
was tired of hearing her talk 

2709
02:13:12,480 --> 02:13:14,320
and had her killed because he's 
an asshole, you know, and. 

2710
02:13:15,470 --> 02:13:16,550
So that's probably what 
happened. 

2711
02:13:16,830 --> 02:13:19,070
And it doesn't almost doesn't 
matter what really happened 

2712
02:13:19,310 --> 02:13:22,190
because it's it's said yes, 
later generations questioned 

2713
02:13:22,190 --> 02:13:24,950
that story. 
But in the moment, everyone 

2714
02:13:24,950 --> 02:13:26,990
believed it. 
Everyone believed that's what 

2715
02:13:26,990 --> 02:13:29,030
happened. 
Which means the public 

2716
02:13:29,030 --> 02:13:32,990
perception was that Megor 
murdered series Hightower. 

2717
02:13:33,350 --> 02:13:36,230
How can the Hightowers be like, 
oh, OK, that's that's fine. 

2718
02:13:38,110 --> 02:13:40,630
Like they no longer have their 
tie to him. 

2719
02:13:40,830 --> 02:13:44,190
That's their connection to Megor
is yeah, we. 

2720
02:13:44,760 --> 02:13:46,360
Crowned you here. 
But we don't know what. 

2721
02:13:46,360 --> 02:13:50,000
We no longer have a family 
connection to you, and you're 

2722
02:13:50,000 --> 02:13:52,520
falling apart here. 
You're just like, frittering 

2723
02:13:52,520 --> 02:13:53,800
everything away. 
You're blowing it. 

2724
02:13:54,520 --> 02:13:56,720
This is our out. 
This is our exit now. 

2725
02:13:57,640 --> 02:14:00,400
Yeah. 
So there's no immediate reaction

2726
02:14:00,400 --> 02:14:02,160
that we're told about from the 
high towers. 

2727
02:14:02,160 --> 02:14:05,400
If they had any soldiers at 
court or nights or whatever, you

2728
02:14:05,600 --> 02:14:06,960
got to think they would have 
come home. 

2729
02:14:06,960 --> 02:14:08,160
They were like, okay. 
Well, that's that. 

2730
02:14:08,160 --> 02:14:10,240
We can't, we can't support this 
guy anymore. 

2731
02:14:10,570 --> 02:14:12,370
But they wouldn't have maybe 
wanted to make a big show about 

2732
02:14:12,370 --> 02:14:14,490
it because he's so violent and 
nasty and you don't want to 

2733
02:14:14,490 --> 02:14:18,530
like, provoke him needlessly. 
Like the guy still has Valerian.

2734
02:14:21,330 --> 02:14:23,450
Wow. 
So that's that's where we're 

2735
02:14:23,450 --> 02:14:27,050
going to leave it for today, 
because it's a the turning point

2736
02:14:27,050 --> 02:14:32,130
in the relationship with the 
high towers and House Targaryen 

2737
02:14:32,130 --> 02:14:37,730
here in the early reign of the 
Iron Throne going to completely 

2738
02:14:37,730 --> 02:14:39,850
change the picture. 
And then of course, we're going 

2739
02:14:39,850 --> 02:14:41,930
to move into Harris's reign and 
all these other things. 

2740
02:14:41,930 --> 02:14:46,570
So though the Faith Militant 
uprising is cited as beginning 

2741
02:14:46,570 --> 02:14:49,290
in 41 A/C, which is before Mega 
or took the throne, Mega took 

2742
02:14:49,290 --> 02:14:52,770
the thrown in 42 A/C. 
It would also continue after his

2743
02:14:52,770 --> 02:14:53,810
death. 
So we're going to be covering 

2744
02:14:53,810 --> 02:14:57,850
that the extended continuation 
of the Faith Militant after his 

2745
02:14:57,850 --> 02:15:00,890
death. 
And yeah, throughout all this 

2746
02:15:00,890 --> 02:15:04,050
though, the heart of West Rossi 
faith in the Seven is still at 

2747
02:15:04,050 --> 02:15:06,480
Old Town. 
Remember, we're still a ways 

2748
02:15:06,480 --> 02:15:11,400
away from that shift happening 
where the heart of the faith is 

2749
02:15:11,880 --> 02:15:14,120
in King's Landing. 
Like King's Landing, it still 

2750
02:15:14,120 --> 02:15:16,160
isn't the largest city in the 
realm at this point, although 

2751
02:15:16,160 --> 02:15:19,440
it's getting closer and closer 
and we don't exactly know when 

2752
02:15:19,440 --> 02:15:23,080
it passed. 
But yeah, so I have so many 

2753
02:15:23,080 --> 02:15:25,440
questions. 
Where the high towers starting 

2754
02:15:25,440 --> 02:15:27,560
to keep their distance? 
Were they more aggressive in 

2755
02:15:27,560 --> 02:15:29,200
their distancing themselves from
hot? 

2756
02:15:29,200 --> 02:15:32,240
From Megor Where is it continued
tightrope walk where they're 

2757
02:15:32,240 --> 02:15:34,110
like? 
Well, we definitely don't want 

2758
02:15:34,110 --> 02:15:36,230
to piss this guy off. 
He still could come and burn the

2759
02:15:36,230 --> 02:15:38,350
starry step like there is 
nothing we could do if he did 

2760
02:15:38,350 --> 02:15:39,870
that. 
So they still have like a lot of

2761
02:15:40,110 --> 02:15:43,910
pragmatic reasons to just take 
it lying down. 

2762
02:15:43,950 --> 02:15:46,750
Even though these insults are 
are hefty and they murdered a 

2763
02:15:46,750 --> 02:15:48,750
member of their family, he 
murdered a member of their 

2764
02:15:48,750 --> 02:15:51,590
family. 
They have a lot of influence too

2765
02:15:52,070 --> 02:15:54,150
and they aren't necessarily 
monoliths. 

2766
02:15:54,270 --> 02:15:56,670
You know, one of my thoughts is 
that they probably. 

2767
02:15:57,780 --> 02:16:01,860
Anything that's very public or 
visual or that they would expect

2768
02:16:01,860 --> 02:16:04,940
Megor to be paying attention to,
they just keep it like it is. 

2769
02:16:05,900 --> 02:16:09,420
But Megor might not understand, 
like the building contracts and 

2770
02:16:09,420 --> 02:16:11,980
the trade routes and the taxes 
being collect things that they 

2771
02:16:11,980 --> 02:16:14,660
can manipulate just peel back 
on, you know what I mean? 

2772
02:16:14,660 --> 02:16:18,180
To get less involved or even to 
work against the Crown or pull 

2773
02:16:18,180 --> 02:16:21,580
into their own resources. 
Like I guess these soldiers that

2774
02:16:21,580 --> 02:16:23,660
we already have there will just 
leave them. 

2775
02:16:24,180 --> 02:16:27,460
But hey, if someone gets sick. 
We're not sending any more 

2776
02:16:27,460 --> 02:16:29,220
soldiers. 
There we go. 

2777
02:16:29,780 --> 02:16:33,900
We're not going to fund this, 
the defense of this, this trade 

2778
02:16:33,900 --> 02:16:36,100
route. 
We're not going to send taxes 

2779
02:16:36,100 --> 02:16:39,660
from this spot anymore. 
Like any angle they could find, 

2780
02:16:39,660 --> 02:16:42,459
they didn't want to get noticed,
which would be a lot like the 

2781
02:16:42,459 --> 02:16:45,219
influence they have through the 
majors and through the steps and

2782
02:16:45,219 --> 02:16:48,420
through the trade and. 
They would have all the avenues 

2783
02:16:48,420 --> 02:16:50,580
to look for other options. 
They're like, they're like, who 

2784
02:16:50,580 --> 02:16:52,500
do we talk to? 
Well, whoever we want to. 

2785
02:16:52,500 --> 02:16:54,730
We've got everyone. 
We can talk to anyone like they 

2786
02:16:54,730 --> 02:16:55,450
have. 
That's the thing. 

2787
02:16:55,450 --> 02:16:56,770
They have those lines of 
communication. 

2788
02:16:57,010 --> 02:17:00,170
Yeah, that's a great point. 
They can, they can send a Raven 

2789
02:17:00,170 --> 02:17:02,730
to the Starks if they want to 
talk about it. 

2790
02:17:02,730 --> 02:17:05,330
You know, they can send iron 
islands or something. 

2791
02:17:05,330 --> 02:17:06,809
Yeah, the ESOS, you know, who 
knows? 

2792
02:17:07,090 --> 02:17:08,730
Yeah. 
Did you guys know Megor did 

2793
02:17:08,730 --> 02:17:10,170
this? 
Are you sure you want to send 

2794
02:17:10,170 --> 02:17:11,370
more troops for that? 
Yeah. 

2795
02:17:11,570 --> 02:17:13,770
Why don't you sit up tray route 
with us instead of King's 

2796
02:17:13,770 --> 02:17:15,410
Landing? 
We'll give you this bonus and 

2797
02:17:15,410 --> 02:17:16,370
you don't have to worry about 
Megor. 

2798
02:17:16,370 --> 02:17:18,690
Because if we're all together in
this, even Megor and Blurian 

2799
02:17:18,690 --> 02:17:20,650
won't be enough. 
Like, we can beat him if we're 

2800
02:17:20,650 --> 02:17:23,209
united in this, you know he 
can't burn everyone you know. 

2801
02:17:23,969 --> 02:17:26,290
And we don't necessarily even 
have to, like, overthrow him 

2802
02:17:26,290 --> 02:17:27,770
violently. 
We just have to wait it out, 

2803
02:17:27,770 --> 02:17:28,889
man. 
I just have to wait it out. 

2804
02:17:28,889 --> 02:17:31,129
He'll die eventually. 
Maybe someone poisons something.

2805
02:17:31,530 --> 02:17:34,209
Not that we're donning that. 
But hey, if it happened, you 

2806
02:17:34,330 --> 02:17:36,330
know, it said it all. 
Can give you some advice, you. 

2807
02:17:36,930 --> 02:17:37,969
Know a thing or two about 
poisons? 

2808
02:17:37,969 --> 02:17:40,049
You're right. 
And then, and it's as it turns 

2809
02:17:40,049 --> 02:17:42,969
out, may Gore's death is a 
mystery. 

2810
02:17:42,969 --> 02:17:44,410
Issues like it's very 
suspicious. 

2811
02:17:44,410 --> 02:17:46,490
We don't know what happened. 
It probably wasn't poison, 

2812
02:17:46,490 --> 02:17:47,650
because, you know, you just 
found. 

2813
02:17:47,650 --> 02:17:50,410
And similar to that, except then
lots of people have motivation, 

2814
02:17:50,410 --> 02:17:51,570
yeah. 
Absolutely. 

2815
02:17:51,690 --> 02:17:53,129
But yeah, so it's very 
interesting. 

2816
02:17:53,730 --> 02:17:55,930
But I'll and consider the other 
side like, well, who? 

2817
02:17:55,930 --> 02:17:58,129
What side will they take? 
Will they will they take? 

2818
02:17:58,450 --> 02:17:59,770
Right now there is no side to 
take. 

2819
02:17:59,889 --> 02:18:03,570
Like Jerry isn't isn't really in
the available option. 

2820
02:18:03,570 --> 02:18:07,010
Jerry isn't even the oldest 
living member of the other 

2821
02:18:07,010 --> 02:18:09,530
branch at this point. 
Male member of the other 

2822
02:18:09,530 --> 02:18:10,410
branches. 
There's visceras. 

2823
02:18:10,809 --> 02:18:12,170
Who is Meg? 
Or Squire? 

2824
02:18:12,850 --> 02:18:16,170
That's the eldest after Bagon, 
who was killed. 

2825
02:18:16,170 --> 02:18:18,730
So Jerry was third in line 
before his elder brother was 

2826
02:18:18,730 --> 02:18:21,250
killed riding Quicksilver. 
And then. 

2827
02:18:22,059 --> 02:18:23,820
There's a whole another one in 
between them. 

2828
02:18:24,420 --> 02:18:25,980
Negro Force is going to kill him
too. 

2829
02:18:26,299 --> 02:18:30,980
But that hasn't happened yet. 
The high towers are in a tough 

2830
02:18:30,980 --> 02:18:32,940
they don't want to side with the
Faith Militant. 

2831
02:18:32,940 --> 02:18:34,420
The Faith Militant killed Sir 
Morgan. 

2832
02:18:34,420 --> 02:18:37,620
They're not, like excited about 
those guys either like and plus 

2833
02:18:37,620 --> 02:18:40,900
they have no like noble clout 
and no money and any of that. 

2834
02:18:40,900 --> 02:18:42,900
It's not It's not what the high 
towers are generally getting 

2835
02:18:42,900 --> 02:18:45,180
mixed up in the 1st place. 
You'd think that rather than 

2836
02:18:45,180 --> 02:18:47,860
side with the Faith Militant, 
they would just step aside. 

2837
02:18:48,379 --> 02:18:52,400
Side with nobody but. 
It is possible some elements of 

2838
02:18:52,400 --> 02:18:55,240
House Hightower, if not even the
main elements, were secretly 

2839
02:18:55,240 --> 02:18:57,879
supporting the Rebels. 
It's possible they preferred 

2840
02:18:57,879 --> 02:19:00,040
that to, you know, rock and a 
hard place. 

2841
02:19:00,040 --> 02:19:02,520
Maybe you got to pick someone. 
They thought maybe they 

2842
02:19:02,520 --> 02:19:06,400
supported both sides, like later
instances of House Hightower or 

2843
02:19:06,400 --> 02:19:08,920
House Swan or other houses done 
like the Butterwells, like 

2844
02:19:08,920 --> 02:19:10,320
support both sides that way we 
come. 

2845
02:19:10,559 --> 02:19:13,440
Yeah, that's right. 
So I could have been the way 

2846
02:19:13,440 --> 02:19:16,790
they they did. 
So yeah, as as we wrap this 

2847
02:19:16,790 --> 02:19:18,950
episode halfway through Megor's 
Rain, it should be said that 

2848
02:19:18,950 --> 02:19:20,910
things got much worse before 
they got better. 

2849
02:19:21,230 --> 02:19:24,389
But they did get better. 
So if we look back at these 45 

2850
02:19:24,389 --> 02:19:26,830
years, we can assume the 
continued progress and 

2851
02:19:26,830 --> 02:19:28,830
prosperity of the city itself, 
even while these other things 

2852
02:19:28,830 --> 02:19:30,950
are happening. 
The city itself is probably 

2853
02:19:30,950 --> 02:19:34,270
doing pretty darn well since it 
didn't get burned and the 

2854
02:19:34,270 --> 02:19:37,629
darnish incursion stopped. 
The Ironborn raids had stopped a

2855
02:19:37,629 --> 02:19:39,230
while ago. 
The city was probably doing 

2856
02:19:39,230 --> 02:19:43,150
great other than that big scare 
of of Megor, but that would have

2857
02:19:43,150 --> 02:19:44,549
been pretty short term, all 
things. 

2858
02:19:45,420 --> 02:19:48,180
All told, right. 
So yeah, that's pretty good. 

2859
02:19:48,500 --> 02:19:51,540
And so they have room to do 
other things and an example of 

2860
02:19:51,540 --> 02:19:54,100
which we'll see next episode as 
well like naval exploration 

2861
02:19:54,100 --> 02:19:56,580
that's going to be a part of of 
next time we'll get to think 

2862
02:19:56,580 --> 02:19:58,220
about other ways that might have
come out. 

2863
02:19:58,820 --> 02:20:01,820
Other things like this is 
basically a preview of next 

2864
02:20:01,820 --> 02:20:03,780
week. 
The fall of Meg or the rest of 

2865
02:20:04,060 --> 02:20:06,140
faith militants rebellion. 
The golden age under George 

2866
02:20:06,140 --> 02:20:08,260
Harris and Alison. 
The passing of Lord Martin, The 

2867
02:20:08,260 --> 02:20:10,860
rule of Donald the Delayer 
Hightower. 

2868
02:20:11,430 --> 02:20:13,590
Like I said, the seafaring. 
That's Eustis and Norman going 

2869
02:20:13,590 --> 02:20:15,950
with Alyssa Farman. 
The Shivers hits Old Town. 

2870
02:20:16,510 --> 02:20:20,030
Then we get to things like Otto 
Hightower and Viscera and 

2871
02:20:20,030 --> 02:20:23,590
Allison and Brendan Hightower, 
Wayne Hightower, Hobert 

2872
02:20:23,590 --> 02:20:26,990
Hightower, Lord Ormond, all that
stuff. 

2873
02:20:26,990 --> 02:20:29,670
That should be good times. 
I'm looking forward to that. 

2874
02:20:30,150 --> 02:20:33,830
Power shifts more towards King's
Landing and away from Old Town. 

2875
02:20:34,310 --> 02:20:36,230
The faith shifts more towards 
Old Town. 

2876
02:20:36,230 --> 02:20:37,430
You want, I mean towards King's 
Landing. 

2877
02:20:37,430 --> 02:20:39,630
You wonder if the high towers 
were concerned about. 

2878
02:20:40,390 --> 02:20:41,910
Their influence waning a little 
bit. 

2879
02:20:41,910 --> 02:20:44,790
Maybe they did some moves to try
to retain that. 

2880
02:20:45,110 --> 02:20:48,430
Yeah, you know, a lot of things 
up and under G Harry and then 

2881
02:20:48,590 --> 02:20:52,270
the Sarah's after him, so a lot 
of interesting stuff to come yet

2882
02:20:53,070 --> 02:20:58,310
we shall get on that next week. 
Couple of episodes I mentioned 

2883
02:20:58,310 --> 02:21:00,790
that are relevant to this one 
that you might want to consider 

2884
02:21:00,790 --> 02:21:02,830
listening to. 
To stay involved. 

2885
02:21:03,390 --> 02:21:06,630
There is several of our fire and
blood topics that are relevant 

2886
02:21:06,630 --> 02:21:09,670
to this one mentioned. 
I guess the Shivers would be 1. 

2887
02:21:10,090 --> 02:21:12,650
Our episode on the Red Kraken, 
which is a subscriber's only one

2888
02:21:12,650 --> 02:21:16,490
that came up as well, of course,
is the the beginning of the old 

2889
02:21:16,490 --> 02:21:19,890
way and some some respects 
there, and I'm sure there's some

2890
02:21:19,890 --> 02:21:21,850
other ones, but I'm spacing out 
on them at the moment. 

2891
02:21:22,610 --> 02:21:25,130
Our full Dance of the Dragons 
coverage as well is worth 

2892
02:21:25,130 --> 02:21:26,650
mentioning. 
That's of course with Radio 

2893
02:21:26,650 --> 02:21:29,690
Westeros and is fully scripted. 
Yeah. 

2894
02:21:29,930 --> 02:21:33,010
So next week we'll continue down
the timeline and probably finish

2895
02:21:33,010 --> 02:21:34,130
it off. 
I guess there's a chance that 

2896
02:21:34,210 --> 02:21:35,930
it's too much for one episode, 
but I think we'll be able to 

2897
02:21:35,930 --> 02:21:37,730
cover it. 
Famous last words. 

2898
02:21:39,400 --> 02:21:45,680
Famous start of lots more words.
Famous mineral words. 

2899
02:21:46,080 --> 02:21:48,440
Anyway, anyway, we'll deal with 
that. 

2900
02:21:48,440 --> 02:21:51,520
So thanks everyone for coming. 
Thanks if you watched live or if

2901
02:21:51,520 --> 02:21:53,880
you're catching it afterwards, 
whether you consume it on 

2902
02:21:53,880 --> 02:21:57,000
YouTube or on one of the many 
podcast platforms that hosts it,

2903
02:21:58,040 --> 02:22:01,360
we appreciate that. 
So you can give us a like or a 

2904
02:22:01,360 --> 02:22:06,040
thumbs up or a subscription, 
voluntary subscription, that's 

2905
02:22:06,040 --> 02:22:07,790
the. 
For someone of the best ways to 

2906
02:22:07,790 --> 02:22:09,590
support us, but there's lots of 
ways to do that. 

2907
02:22:09,630 --> 02:22:11,470
Tell a friend. 
That's one of my favorite 

2908
02:22:11,470 --> 02:22:15,830
methods. 
You as a person with friends. 

2909
02:22:15,830 --> 02:22:18,550
Those friends value your 
opinions, so if you tell them to

2910
02:22:18,550 --> 02:22:21,590
listen to us, well, that'll go 
farther than just about anyone 

2911
02:22:21,590 --> 02:22:24,070
else, I would think. 
Making that same request? 

2912
02:22:24,830 --> 02:22:29,070
Yeah as well. 
Thanks to Nina for the excellent

2913
02:22:29,070 --> 02:22:31,110
notes. 
Lots of great thoughts that help

2914
02:22:31,110 --> 02:22:32,830
me sort through some of these 
difficulties. 

2915
02:22:32,830 --> 02:22:36,220
Lots of. 
Different things happening all 

2916
02:22:36,220 --> 02:22:37,700
at once. 
A lot of times it's hard to sort

2917
02:22:37,700 --> 02:22:40,260
through all the different 
possibilities, especially with a

2918
02:22:40,260 --> 02:22:42,100
fair amount of unknowns thrown 
into the mix. 

2919
02:22:42,540 --> 02:22:44,140
But I think we did a solid job 
here. 

2920
02:22:44,140 --> 02:22:46,140
I'm pretty pleased with the way 
it came out. 

2921
02:22:46,620 --> 02:22:48,740
Hope you are too as well. 
Thank you too. 

2922
02:22:48,740 --> 02:22:52,100
Those of you who support us 
financially, that's the best way

2923
02:22:52,100 --> 02:22:53,620
to support. 
Like I said as well. 

2924
02:22:53,620 --> 02:22:58,300
Thanks to Joey, Jesse and Bran 
for the intro music, outro 

2925
02:22:58,300 --> 02:23:02,260
music, video intro and all the 
various things that make our 

2926
02:23:02,260 --> 02:23:04,180
show seem more professional, 
yes. 

2927
02:23:04,770 --> 02:23:09,970
And Michael Clarfell as well. 
The maps behind me that you see 

2928
02:23:09,970 --> 02:23:13,010
variations of over the years. 
It's usually this known world 

2929
02:23:13,010 --> 02:23:15,170
map, but we have other ones up 
from time to time. 

2930
02:23:15,970 --> 02:23:23,290
You can go to his site, claradox
dot DE that's KLARADOX dot EE to

2931
02:23:23,290 --> 02:23:26,210
get copies for yourself. 
Lots of different rooms out 

2932
02:23:26,210 --> 02:23:28,570
there. 
And last but not least, thank 

2933
02:23:28,570 --> 02:23:32,970
you to the engineer for doing 
the sound quality. 

2934
02:23:33,600 --> 02:23:36,520
Management before he hands it 
over to me for the final 

2935
02:23:36,520 --> 02:23:40,880
editorial cuts and final version
of. 

2936
02:23:40,920 --> 02:23:45,160
The episode, yeah. 
All right, everyone, that's our 

2937
02:23:45,160 --> 02:23:48,440
show. 
We'll see you next time for 

2938
02:23:48,440 --> 02:23:51,160
more. 
And you know what to do in the 

2939
02:23:51,160 --> 02:23:54,400
meantime, Valor 3 weeks.