1 00:00:48,290 --> 00:00:52,330 500 years. After it, the historian 2 00:00:52,330 --> 00:00:56,730 Pausanius called the Battle of Luktra the most decisive battle 3 00:00:56,730 --> 00:00:59,850 ever fought by Greeks against Greeks. 4 00:01:00,450 --> 00:01:04,010 But what did? Catelyn Tully Stark say so 5 00:01:04,010 --> 00:01:09,170 memorably after hearing of Rob's victories in the West early in 6 00:01:09,170 --> 00:01:12,320 the War of 5 Kings, she said. Did he beat? 7 00:01:12,320 --> 00:01:15,320 Lord Tywin. He was the one that mattered. 8 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,800 The Spartans, at least. Unfamiliar with the Song of Ice 9 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:22,600 and Fire took heart in the concept, which is to say that 10 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:26,320 their version of Tywin King Agis Allows wasn't president. 11 00:01:26,320 --> 00:01:30,640 The battle he hadn't lost, it was the younger King Cleombrtus 12 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:32,640 in command. And frankly, as we saw, his 13 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:36,000 decisions were terrible, especially considering he comes 14 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:41,200 from this military society where the top of the top spend all 15 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,240 their time fighting and thinking about how to fight. 16 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,880 Thus, Agisilaus was now more motivated than ever to regain 17 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:53,520 the just recently lost Spartan supremacy, while Thebes under 18 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,200 Epaminondas and Palopitus was suddenly the spear point of a 19 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,600 new Greece. Hundreds of years of. 20 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:05,240 The status quo had changed in one afternoon, or morning even. 21 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,120 This certainly disrupted the expectations and plans of the 22 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,680 biggest players who have been involved in our story, people 23 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,000 like Jason Ephiri and great King Artaxerxes of Persia. 24 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,480 They've been reckoning with what's going on in Greece and 25 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:21,240 planning around it this whole time. 26 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,680 They didn't necessarily expect this battle to even happen, let 27 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:29,040 alone who won. So they had some adjustments to 28 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,120 make they would have to figure out. 29 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,560 How to twist this to their advantage as was their? 30 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,440 Want but both of these two are going to face internal threats 31 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,640 that's going to make capitalizing on what's going on 32 00:02:40,640 --> 00:02:43,880 in Greece more difficult, which might open the way for other 33 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,960 people to get their. Finger or foot in the door or 34 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:51,080 what have you. Most deaths in battle occur when 35 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,520 one side breaks and runs. This is well established in The 36 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,280 Song of Ice and Fire. In the real world, etcetera. 37 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:58,640 It's been said many times, right? 38 00:02:58,640 --> 00:03:00,960 And it's true. It like that Maxim. 39 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,920 This episode follows that pattern a bit, which is just 40 00:03:04,920 --> 00:03:06,960 after a major battle. We're going to have a lot of 41 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,680 deaths, but not because they're running away. 42 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,320 In fact, they for the most part, won't see it coming. 43 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:18,480 Today is a day of assassins, the unseen hands of the gods. 44 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,120 Timely death that would be hackneyed and convenient if 45 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,360 written by anyone other than that. 46 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,800 Most random of authors. Reality, right? 47 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,240 Reality is the only author that can get away with this sort of 48 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,920 thing truly right? This is the storm. 49 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:39,520 Of swords of the series so far because yeah, lots of people are 50 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,480 going to die history is cooperating with us as well by 51 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,240 turning. Giving us a different look. 52 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,120 We go from this big battle and then we get to switch to 53 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:47,960 intrigue. That's kind of how it goes a lot 54 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,320 of times, right? Power changes and shifts. 55 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,000 People got to fight for IT. People fight on battlefields. 56 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,480 People fight in the halls of power, but also the halls of 57 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,200 power. Let's not forget what that 58 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,760 means. That means families. 59 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,840 The halls of power can just mean within the House of a certain 60 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,760 last name, a certain dynasty. And what's interesting about 61 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,840 this time period in particular is how many dynasties are new. 62 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,840 Yet we also still have ancient dynasties that track themselves 63 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,399 back to the gods. So yeah, crowns are claimed on 64 00:04:19,399 --> 00:04:22,040 battlefields, but they're also claimed on family estates. 65 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,080 And there's nothing like a big, unexpected battle to shake 66 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,400 things up. The unbeatable mystique of 67 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,200 Sparta was gone, but that doesn't mean they're suddenly 68 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,000 weak, right? Thebes is suddenly the top 69 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,400 power. That doesn't mean they can hold 70 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:36,760 it. That doesn't mean. 71 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,960 Much of anything, if they can't capitalize on that right, it's 72 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,800 just a blip in history. Otherwise, we'll see. 73 00:04:43,280 --> 00:04:47,080 Now that's made worse for thieves because most of the 74 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,240 regional powers don't really want the thieves to have this 75 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,160 top spot. They didn't really want anyone 76 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,240 to. Hold it, but Thebes even less so 77 00:04:56,240 --> 00:05:00,040 because most people prefer the enemy they know Athens and 78 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,280 Sparta had been the 2 powers all along. 79 00:05:02,280 --> 00:05:05,280 They kind of like, well who, what's this new guy going to do? 80 00:05:05,280 --> 00:05:08,560 You know it's the enemy you know versus the new one, right? 81 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,360 So it should be interesting and filled with the unexpected as it 82 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,480 was. For ancient Greece at the time. 83 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,040 All that and more on this episode of History of Westeros 84 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:23,880 Podcast. 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This episode will cover a couple 106 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,240 years and having fun with this. I'm glad to get the feedback 107 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,880 from those of those of y'all who are enjoying this if this is in 108 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:39,640 your bag. Well, luckily we have a huge 109 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:41,560 catalog and there's lots of other things you can listen to, 110 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:45,040 lots of other great Song of Ice and Fire content, and of course 111 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,040 we'll be. Hitting the hitting the bricks 112 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,080 for House of the Dragon in just a month or two here. 113 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,600 But before we get started, we have an announcement. 114 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,640 Shay and I are very. Pleased to announce Very honored 115 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:02,000 to announce that we have been nominated for a Hugo Award in 116 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:07,960 the Best Related Work category. Which is related to this episode 117 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:12,040 in that it is one of our history of Westeros history and Westeros 118 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,920 episodes rather than a straightforward A Song of Ice 119 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,120 Fire episode. It's our Long Night versus 120 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,120 Ragnarok episode. That is the one nominated. 121 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,440 And we thank all of those of you who helped nominate us. 122 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:26,480 And we're going to be going to world. 123 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,120 Con We would have gone to World Con anyway. 124 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,840 But it's at the end of August in Anaheim. 125 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:37,000 But now we'll be going as nominees instead of just fans 126 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,760 and people who love World Con so. 127 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,240 Anything to add to that a share? Did I catch everything or miss 128 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,560 anything? Yeah, you got everything except 129 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:50,200 that if you're thinking about going to World Con, get extra 130 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,800 value if you decide to go this year because then you'll be able 131 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,000 to vote for us. But also it's just a really fun 132 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:01,880 con with like a really deep paneling, a lot of panels, wide 133 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,600 variety academic presentations. Yeah. 134 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,800 So I, I, I recommend World Con in general, if you're the kind 135 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:14,000 of person who goes to cons looking for panels, education, 136 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,240 stuff like that. It's not so much of A cosplay 137 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:17,680 con. So if you're looking for a con 138 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,120 for that, then you want to go to Dragon Con or something like 139 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:21,880 that. But I love World Con. 140 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,440 I'm excited to go back to California and really excited 141 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,800 about the nomination. We'll be talking about it more 142 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,480 in the months to come, especially because we'll, you 143 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,120 know, remind you all when voting opens and stuff like that. 144 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:34,520 Right on. Yeah. 145 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,159 So that's that. We're very excited. 146 00:08:36,159 --> 00:08:39,080 Thank you all for the support. And like a Shia said, we will 147 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,320 keep you abreast of developments and more news. 148 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,840 Related to that, let me read you all these section headers for 149 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:49,200 today. Get a little advance on what 150 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,920 we're going to be talking about. We're in the year 371 and we'll 151 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,240 be going to the aftermath of. Lutra, then, dark hooves, dark 152 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:00,840 words, Thebes rising. Then we'll move to the year 370 153 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,720 and the Sword of Damocles. That's right, the Sword of 154 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,400 Damocles. You all have heard of that 155 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,960 anecdote, that thing. We're going to have it in 156 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,520 today's episode. Cecily will be next, followed by 157 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,640 Macedon, Persia, The Great Satrap's Revolt. 158 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:17,400 Fallout. Greece. 159 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,080 And then we'll take our outro and discuss what's to come in 160 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:25,960 the next episode. Let's get to it. 371, the 161 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,640 aftermath of Lucra. In fact, we even know the day, 162 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:34,760 July 6th, the day Sparta lost their some 300 year old mystique 163 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,320 and they were scrambling. They hadn't necessarily accepted 164 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,920 they had lost it. Some of them still wanted to 165 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:42,720 fight. At the end of last episode, I 166 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,120 pointed out that that was going to be difficult for them because 167 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:50,800 their allies were really quite excited to take advantage of the 168 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:52,480 situation and be like, hey, Sparta. 169 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:54,240 You're weaker now. You just lost. 170 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,760 We don't have to fight for you right now, or perhaps at all. 171 00:09:58,040 --> 00:09:59,880 So we're going to head out. See ya. 172 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,560 And that was something they could do comfortably because the 173 00:10:03,560 --> 00:10:07,200 way the battle played out, Epaminondas was thinking ahead. 174 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:08,840 He's like, yeah, I don't want to fight Sparta's allies. 175 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,200 I want to fight Sparta. So let's avoid any sort of 176 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,080 contact during the battle as much as possible. 177 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,080 And that played out and that paid off because after the 178 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:21,480 battle, the other commanders who hadn't really been attacked by 179 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:23,640 Thebes despite being on the other side, were like, you know, 180 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:25,600 Thebes didn't really come after us, even though we were standing 181 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,240 right there. You could see very clearly that 182 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,400 they. Focused on the Spartans and that 183 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,840 enabled us to get away. So actually thanks Thebes, you 184 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,680 know they so they're a lot of them were probably just waiting 185 00:10:34,680 --> 00:10:38,120 to see where the next shoe fell. You know maybe Sparta gets it 186 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,080 right back. We're not going to piss them off 187 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,520 too much because they might just force us to fight for them 188 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,640 again, and we don't want to be punished over much. 189 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,760 But we might be a facing a new world order here, a new grease 190 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,440 here, and we don't want to piss off Thebes either. 191 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,840 So they did the smart thing and kind of just waited to see what 192 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,280 was happening. So see. 193 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,680 There were plenty of Spartans you still wanted to fight, but 194 00:11:00,680 --> 00:11:02,520 could they? Would they be able to? 195 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:06,320 Well, let's see what happened. Thebes went and set up a trophy. 196 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,080 That is normal, right? You win a battle in the ancient 197 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:10,520 world. In ancient Greece, you set up a 198 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,120 trophy. And you set the trophy up at the 199 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,880 spot where you think the battle turned, like the spot where you 200 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:19,560 think the enemy's lines broke, and the moment at which the spot 201 00:11:19,560 --> 00:11:22,840 at which the tide turned, where you basically started winning, 202 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:24,920 right? Maybe it was a tie before, maybe 203 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:26,960 it wasn't undecided. But at some point something 204 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,840 happened, and it's usually the turning of a line and there in 205 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:31,240 this case, that's exactly what happened. 206 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:36,120 It was when Palopolis took the. Initiative after Epaminondas's 207 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,480 great strategy and charge the Spartans right as they were 208 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,960 trying to reform their lines to adjust to the strategy that 209 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,040 Epaminondas had used they were like oh oh, this isn't what we 210 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,240 were expecting we better make a change and while they're 211 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:52,520 changing Palapitus charges and boom success what's. 212 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,000 Crazy too is this is normal to set up the trophy as I said but 213 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:00,200 this was such a big deal that Thebes went against traditional 214 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,640 little bit by coming back later. I don't know when exactly, but 215 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:05,880 later. And making it permanent. 216 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:07,960 Trophies are supposed to be temporal. 217 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:09,760 They're supposed to be, yeah. Battle happened here, but you 218 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,240 know, battles aren't necessarily something that we want to 219 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:14,680 remember forever. Forever. 220 00:12:14,680 --> 00:12:16,840 That's not how Greece. Thought about it because, well, 221 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:17,840 there's going to be more battles. 222 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:19,200 Right. And you can't just have trophies 223 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,720 everywhere. But this one was so important 224 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:23,480 that thieves decided to memorialize it forever. 225 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,360 You can still see the base of it today. 226 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:30,280 Most of it's gone. But this was three years short 227 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,240 of 2400 years. Ago. 228 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:33,920 And you can still see the base of this trophy. 229 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,840 Now, if you're a fan of The Expanse, which Ishaya and I are 230 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,600 big fans of The Expanse, you may recall the. 231 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:46,240 Battle of Point Lutra, which was in Book 7, I believe one side in 232 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,640 the battle was the Laconians, which is the, you know, it's the 233 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:54,440 region Sparta lives in now and you know, and then so that tells 234 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:55,920 you something about this Expanse faction. 235 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,960 They're naming themselves after the Spartans and the book this 236 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,840 takes place, and I said Book 7 is Persepolis rising. 237 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,800 Persepolis rising is the capital or not rising. 238 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:09,680 Persepolis is the capital of Persia in this current era and 239 00:13:09,680 --> 00:13:14,960 will be for maybe 60 more years or so. 240 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,840 It's not it's it's gonna, it's on its wind down. 241 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,120 But it's been that way for 200 years so far. 242 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:24,520 So it's got a bit longer now. Epaminondas never stops. 243 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,920 Thinking never stops. Strategizing never starts, never 244 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,840 stops pondering what's next. He's a guy that really thinks 245 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:31,720 ahead. Now. 246 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,640 Jason de Feria is the one that gets the nickname Prometheus, 247 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:36,480 and we'll talk about him more later, of course. 248 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,160 But he, Pam Anandis really could have deserved a nickname like 249 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:40,960 that as well. And of course he's. 250 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,240 Thinking sort of along the lines of Doran Martel, meaning he's 251 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,880 really wants to undo Adis allows, although more about 252 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:51,240 Sparta than Adis allows in. Particular although at this 253 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:56,120 point the 2 are inextricably connected so when the time comes 254 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,320 to collect the dead, which is very normal right Greek 255 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,040 commanders, Greek politicians, Greek citizens always expect 256 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:05,120 this. We talked about how important 257 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:06,600 it. Was it's the it's a matter of 258 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,040 life and death to collect the dead. 259 00:14:08,560 --> 00:14:10,560 So both sides tend to allow it to happen. 260 00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:12,240 Like you want to collect your dead, go for it. 261 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:16,240 We, you know, we both swear a little oath to obey, to not 262 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:17,960 fight. It's like a little mini truce. 263 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:22,720 The gods are watching, etcetera. All of my Greek historical. 264 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,800 Fanboying throughout the years, I've never seen this violated 265 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:28,160 SO. They they held. 266 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:29,960 True to it pretty well so, buddy. 267 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,520 Pam Anand has had an alteration to the plan. 268 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:34,720 Yeah, normally say go ahead, collect your dad, do your thing. 269 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,320 No big deal. You Pam Anand has said OK, but 270 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:41,840 one change. Spartan allies, guys, that hey, 271 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:43,680 remember, I didn't try to kill you during the battle. 272 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,840 Remember that? Well, also, some of y'all did 273 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,320 die, even though we weren't trying to kill you too much. 274 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,840 You go ahead first. You pick your bodies up first. 275 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,760 I want to let you guys go first. Now, why would he do that? 276 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,920 Well, because the Spartans had also, for a very long time used 277 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,600 the collecting of the dead. They sort of manipulated a 278 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,840 little bit. They would pick the dead up all 279 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,280 in a certain way to hide their casualties. 280 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:08,800 It's like the stormtrooper from Star Wars. 281 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,120 They March in single file line to conceal their numbers. 282 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,480 Well, Sparta would conceal their casualties by collecting the 283 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:18,280 dead in a mass like while everyone else was doing it. 284 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:22,560 Epaminondas knew that he's like, yeah, so he said yes, Sparta's 285 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,840 allies collect their dead, then Sparta's other allies and 286 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,880 Sparta's allies basically left it so that the only bodies. 287 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,800 Left on the field would be Spartans, so it'd be very clear 288 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,320 how many died. And this is important because a 289 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:37,120 very unusually high number of Spartan full citizens died. 290 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:42,000 He wanted to see everyone to see that, because he wanted to drive 291 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,240 home the point. Hey, Disparza didn't just lose, 292 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:50,320 they lost decisively. And their ability to get it 293 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,240 going again is. Hanford, if not severely 294 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:58,240 handicapped by the loss of these important citizen soldiers, not 295 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,520 to mention a king, died on the field and people like Spodrios 296 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:05,000 and Clayonymus, guys who are basically villains in the eyes 297 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,560 of Thievans. But not so much in the eyes. 298 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:11,160 Of just these allied cities who were kind of pulled into this 299 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:15,000 whole mess so that worked really effectively a bunch of people 300 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,520 saw it wasn't just a rumor because. 301 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:19,880 It's easy to he be told. That a bunch of Spartans. 302 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:21,880 Died, but you see it in front of you. 303 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,320 You're standing there on the battlefield hanging out and 304 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,680 they're the they're the only ones left. 305 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,720 And this is an interesting point too. 306 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:38,000 Sparta, Thebes, none of these nations had like uniforms. 307 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:42,520 They didn't even really have uniform Shields. 308 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:46,560 That was a thing that came along pretty soon after this, like 309 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,960 less than 10 years after this battle, is what we're told by. 310 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,720 Historians that that's when that trend started, when they 311 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,840 realized that maybe one too many times people on the same side. 312 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,000 Have attacked each other. Especially when you have like 10 313 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,840 different allied cities all fighting in one battle when you 314 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,160 might have been on the opposite side of them two. 315 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,920 Battles ago, right? Like we fought for Athens in 316 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:09,839 this battle, we fought for Thebes in this battle. 317 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,839 Athens was on the same side as Thebes in that battle, but they 318 00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:15,520 had allies on other side, blah blah blah. 319 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,839 You can easily be fighting someone that you were on the 320 00:17:17,839 --> 00:17:22,359 same side with two battles ago, 1 battle ago, yet they had very 321 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,880 little way to distinguish. Themselves from each other. 322 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,800 You think of course of of Norsemen, the comedy show. 323 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,200 We've brought this up before, but there's a great bit where 324 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,280 one of the guys is, he's fighting, he's killing and 325 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:37,320 someone's like, how do you know who's who's on your side and who 326 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,560 isn't? He goes if they're on the other 327 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,200 side of me, if they're facing me, if. 328 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,280 He's coming out of me. He must be my enemy, right? 329 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:44,680 We're like. That works. 330 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,400 It's like you never kill someone on your own side. 331 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:47,600 Like why? I don't know. 332 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:52,520 I mean, I how would I know? Like after the fact the guy's 333 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:53,840 dad, he's not complaining. You. 334 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,360 Know I don't remember who I killed even like. 335 00:17:57,360 --> 00:17:59,320 It's all so fast. Yeah. 336 00:17:59,360 --> 00:18:01,840 So it really is kind of amazing to think about that. 337 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,520 Like, how did they tell? Like they they're all Greek. 338 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,440 It's not like it's not like when it's Greece versus Persia, the 339 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,280 style of dress. Even though you have like 20 340 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,480 different nations on each other, well, probably like 100 nations 341 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,120 on the Persian side. They're all fighting for Persia. 342 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,320 The skin color is at least different, in some cases even. 343 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,200 When when that isn't the case, you at least have different 344 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,400 clothing. But these are like guys that are 345 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,960 neighbors of each other. They're my city's 10 miles away 346 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:28,920 from yours and this is 20 miles away from that. 347 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:30,360 Like they aren't that. Different. 348 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,080 So yeah, it's funny to think about. 349 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:35,120 So yeah, this is. These. 350 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,280 All these You might have thought they'd figure that out sooner, 351 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,360 but now Sparta was a little more uniform in their dress. 352 00:18:40,360 --> 00:18:43,000 They had the red cloaks and so they. 353 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,360 Did stand out. That's why I bring this up now. 354 00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:49,000 It's a lot of the Allied armies didn't have that uniformity, but 355 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,120 Sparta did and that's. Why Epaminonda's play here was 356 00:18:52,120 --> 00:18:53,920 so effective? Because the Spartans were very 357 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,920 distinct. What Sparta wanted was to win 358 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,760 another battle quickly, to make everyone kind of forget about 359 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:02,000 this, be like, oh, that was just a blip. 360 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,000 Yeah, Sparta's unbeaten streak was broken, but they went right 361 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,880 back to winning, OK, So it really wasn't that big a change. 362 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,800 Meanwhile. Thebes is like, we got to, you 363 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,000 know, prove that this wasn't it wasn't a blip. 364 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,880 We got to show that this is the new thing where we can beat them 365 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,840 multiple times. We got to, we got to follow this 366 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:21,840 up with another victory or something to show that. 367 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:26,000 Our advantage is real, you know, And then make, maybe make that 368 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,560 advantage larger. So the remaining Spartan armies 369 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:36,640 in a bind, some of them saw the writing on the wall and decided, 370 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,080 yeah, we can't fight again. But wait, what happens if we go 371 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,080 home? We got to go home and tell 372 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,400 everybody we lost. Uh oh. 373 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,280 Like, we got to bring the news. That that our unbeaten streak is 374 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,560 broken. Truth be told, a horseman or two 375 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,480 had already rushed home back to Sparta to deliver the news. 376 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:55,640 So they're going to find out anyway. 377 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,640 But still there's they're still going home and being like, yeah, 378 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,160 sorry, we're the losers. We're the guys that shamed 379 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,960 everyone like such. This weight fell on them big 380 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,560 time. Worse, the ones who didn't want 381 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:14,120 to fight and go home, the lesser of two evils, were concerned 382 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,400 that they'd get attacked on their way back because they 383 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,200 managed to get back up onto a hill. 384 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,520 So they're hiding up on this hill, it's defensible, but they 385 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:26,120 can't stay there forever. Is time on their side or not 386 00:20:26,120 --> 00:20:27,560 though? They're like, well if we leave 387 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,160 we could get attacked, but it what's Sparta going to do in the 388 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:31,240 meantime? What are they going to do back 389 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:32,600 home? It can't be that long before 390 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,920 they find out, right? We're only like 3 days March 391 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,600 away from home. Will they send a relief army? 392 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,920 Maybe if we stay here they'll send help and then we can fight 393 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:41,320 again. So they really didn't know what 394 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,920 to do and there was a lot of disagreement and their king was 395 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,400 dead so they didn't have like the one guy who could make the 396 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,240 decision. So there's just a it's a real 397 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,400 rock and a hard place for them. If they leave, they risk getting 398 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:58,680 attacked if and blowing their opportunity for a follow up 399 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,840 battle if they stay. Well, they could get starved 400 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,400 out, their position could get worse, they could get the hill, 401 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,640 could be put under siege rather than just this sort of iffy 402 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,640 situation they have. So the. 403 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,200 Best thing they might. Think well, if we're going to, 404 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,320 if we're in this tough position. Maybe we should just. 405 00:21:15,360 --> 00:21:18,640 Try to fight it, you know, 'cause at least we die fighting. 406 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:20,480 But the problem with that means a. 407 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,560 Second loss. That means it shows that 408 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,000 Sparta's loss. It kind of justifies the first 409 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,280 one. So it they really didn't know 410 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,160 what to do and they lacked leadership. 411 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,440 And of course that was part of Epaminondas's plan in the 1st 412 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:33,920 place. Get rid of their leadership and 413 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:35,960 they're going to be the headless snake. 414 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,240 It was working. Even after the battle worked 415 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:39,640 during and it was working. Afterwards. 416 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,120 So thieves. Their battle, their victory 417 00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:45,600 comes quickly in terms of the news because this battle 418 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,560 happened in Seben territory and once. 419 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:51,000 Again, this is a small place, so the families of the victorious 420 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,880 heard the news almost as quickly as we in the modern world would 421 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:55,600 hear. It's almost like the cell phone 422 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:59,000 era was there for them temporarily, because they 423 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,280 learned almost immediately the family of Epaminondas. 424 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,960 We know his parents were alive. Still at this point. 425 00:22:05,120 --> 00:22:08,200 So they would have been like, Oh my gosh, our son led the. 426 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,360 Victory over Sparta. Oh my goodness. 427 00:22:11,360 --> 00:22:13,880 Give thanks to the gods, all that now he had a brother, 428 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,400 Kafisa Doris, who was. Probably in the battle too, we 429 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,840 don't really hear about him. But now Ipam and I just 430 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,800 celebrated with the rest, you know, they had a little party or 431 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:23,080 what have you. I don't know exactly what they 432 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:24,360 did. I don't know how they celebrate 433 00:22:24,360 --> 00:22:27,720 these sort of things. Probably wine and and stuff. 434 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,800 But the next day he looked downcast and bedraggled. 435 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,600 Like you hungover or something. Do you drink too much, man? 436 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,640 Like, no, that's not. Of it, he was like, did you did 437 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,800 did someone die? Did we find out about a death 438 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,400 after the fact that, you know, you didn't learn about and you 439 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,080 know someone died close to you. You didn't hear about it during 440 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,000 the battle. No, that's not either chastising 441 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,640 myself for immoderate joy. Like what? 442 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:56,160 Yeah, he celebrated too much. And I don't mean drank too much. 443 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,480 He just let himself feel quote UN quote immoderate joy. 444 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:00,960 He's like, Nah, we got to be more balanced. 445 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,760 I got to, I got to be more centered. 446 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,480 You know you can't get too mad. You can't get too happy either. 447 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,760 That's his thing. Like if you get too mad, you get 448 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,000 vindictive, you get bloody, you get bloodthirsty, what have you. 449 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,920 If you get too happy, you get. You get LAX, you get. 450 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,320 You know you get, you don't. Push yourself as hard your 451 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,600 discipline slips. This is a guy that's, again, I 452 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,880 believe I brought this anecdote up when I introduced this 453 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,920 character, maybe even in episode 1. 454 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,760 This is who he is. This is this is some kind of 455 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,200 dude just punishing himself for getting too happy. 456 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:32,880 Who does that? Well, he does. 457 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,200 And it might sound silly, but it's going to come up kind of 458 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,640 big because, yeah, Thebes is going to start to act a little 459 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,960 bit like they deserve to be in power. 460 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,880 Power corrupts. Pam Menander was already looking 461 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,720 ahead to power corrupting his own people in the moment of 462 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,200 victory. He's starting to think about 463 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:52,720 that already. Talk about thinking. 464 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,000 Ahead. So you can't allow yourself to 465 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,440 think, well, hey, just 'cause we won this battle, we're the best 466 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,240 now. He knew. 467 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,800 He knew that over celebrating would lead to slacking off and 468 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,160 he was like I can't allow that to happen and it starts with me. 469 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,640 Right, if I'm the. Leader or a leader? 470 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,120 Well, I got to. Set the example. 471 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,720 And he also knew, as I just said, it's part, It's not an 472 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,080 army sitting right there. It was a beaten army, but it was 473 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,520 a Spartan army. And as the Spartan. 474 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,360 Army was wondering and hoping maybe reinforcements would come. 475 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,400 Biebs was concerned about that as well. 476 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,680 So Sparta, as I said, they learned of this about two to 477 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,400 three days later because. That's about how long it takes a 478 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,240 horse to get there. And you can you best believe 479 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,680 that some horses were speeding off to Sparta to bring that news 480 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,880 as quickly as possible. And that's exactly what 481 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:41,680 happened. And that's. 482 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:47,680 Exactly where we're going next. Dark hooves, dark words. 483 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,080 Yeah, you know what I mean. Dark wings, dark words. 484 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,160 Well, they didn't have Ravens delivering messages, but they 485 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,800 did have these horses. What else? 486 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,000 Could I have said there dark manes? 487 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,600 Dark words, as Shea and I were talking about it. 488 00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,360 What's dark hooves? Dark nays? 489 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,040 Dark nays instead of dark words. That's a good one. 490 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,920 So Greece. Made a point of dramatizing, and 491 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,320 I mean that. Literally in actual stage plays 492 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,840 because Greece. Loved dramatic stage plays and a 493 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,720 lot of them were tragedies. They would dramatize the moment 494 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,960 news arrived, usually bad news 'cause that's more dramatic than 495 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,520 good news, right? We all know that we we watch TV 496 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,720 and movies and read books. It makes sense, right? 497 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,360 But it makes. Even more sense when you put 498 00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:30,160 yourselves in their shoes or their clogs, whatever footwear 499 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,240 they had, because we. Even in the modern world, we 500 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,240 know what it's like to wait for. News, right? 501 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,440 Like all this? Well, did we get the deal? 502 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,000 Did I get the job? Is she going to accept my 503 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,880 marriage proposal? Just lots of infinite examples 504 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,880 out there. When it comes to things like 505 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,520 modern war, yeah, we don't get like the top secret information, 506 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:52,960 but we find out when battles happen. 507 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,760 We usually find out when bombs are dropped. 508 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,720 Not always, but usually. And when we do find out, it's 509 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,800 usually pretty quickly. But what we don't usually have 510 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,640 in the modern world, some people do. 511 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,960 We don't in like America, for example. 512 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,120 Europe does cause Ukraine exists and there's stuff happening 513 00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:12,920 there but like. You might be waiting on. 514 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,520 News of something like the biggest victory in our history 515 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,400 just happened, or the biggest loss in our history just 516 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,400 happened and an army is now a few miles away coming to 517 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:22,680 enslave. Us all. 518 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,480 I cannot fathom that level of anxiety right and well it, but 519 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:33,040 it did exist and the reactions. And Sparta to this loss we're 520 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:38,640 anywhere from Oh my God, the sky is falling to well, time for us 521 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,840 to step up and and do our best, right. 522 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:46,560 And the but the cultural reaction is very odd. 523 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,400 And let me talk a little bit about that. 524 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,280 Because it's super unique and, and interesting. 525 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,400 We're not just talking about nations here. 526 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,080 We're not just talking about, you know, your nation may fall 527 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,000 because you lost a battle. We're talking about your way of 528 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,680 life, which can span nations or not. 529 00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:06,520 Sparta thought their way of life was superior because it was 530 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,560 working. They were the dominant power. 531 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,560 And they believed themselves to be the most moral, so that those 532 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,640 two things went together. We're the most moral in Greece, 533 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,600 therefore we're in charge. They thought those two things 534 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,640 were deeply connected. We're the most moral army. 535 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,360 You've heard that term before in modern times. 536 00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:25,040 The most moral army. Yeah, that's an oxymoron. 537 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,160 And they and they thought of themselves as the most pious. 538 00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:31,120 Which maybe was true. I don't know that it mattered. 539 00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:33,880 But they thought it did. So they thought all these things 540 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,120 were self-evident. We're the most moral. 541 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,120 We're the most, we have the best society. 542 00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:42,400 That's why we're number. One, you know, it all adds up. 543 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,080 It's very straightforward. Don't overthink it. 544 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,280 So wait, what does this mean? Now we've lost? 545 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,440 Are we no longer the best nation or what? 546 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,400 What does it mean? Like they they they had this 547 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,200 attitude or this belief in themselves that was so old, so 548 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,120 long standing, it'd spanned entire life spans of many 549 00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:01,920 Spartans that they just never had chance to think about. 550 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,600 It and why would they? Well, let's let's think about 551 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,600 what it would life would be. Like if we were losing all the 552 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:07,080 time. Yeah. 553 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,440 And then they just, they just don't go there too often, at 554 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:10,400 least not in public. Right. 555 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,040 So they they have all these hundreds of years of being the 556 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:17,480 top dog, top lion in Greece and the results proved it right. 557 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,320 The results backed that up. And can you just how modern all 558 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,600 this is for a minute? Here we have the the Thebans, 559 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:28,600 with their literal pairs of gay lovers in their elite unit, the 560 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,640 one that did the most damage, The most famous unit. 561 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,600 Meanwhile, Sparta. Has plenty of homosexuality in 562 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,760 their culture but they don't like it in the military. 563 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,400 So you have a side that doesn't like gays in the military that 564 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,560 just lost to the side that openly has them so that they 565 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,000 don't like that they don't like losing because it's A to them, 566 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,600 it's morality. The the less moral army beat 567 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,120 them. It's so, so modern and they're 568 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,240 like, what? What does that mean? 569 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,360 We're not the most moral? Or does it mean that they the 570 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:57,960 other the other? Side must have cheated or 571 00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,360 something like that. They come up with all these 572 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,040 excuses. Xenophon, the Athenian warrior, 573 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,320 author, historian who was a fan of Sparta and a friend of a just 574 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,040 allows personally wrote that Clam Brodus and his inner circle 575 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,560 were drunk the night before that battle. 576 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,960 No other source writes this. No other historian puts this 577 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,880 down. There's no other evidence for 578 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,800 it. He just, he pretty much probably 579 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,040 just threw that in there because he was a Spartan fanboy and it 580 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,280 just allows his buddy and so he's just trying to like. 581 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,000 Let me, let me, let me. Float some propaganda out there 582 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,600 that'll mitigate some of this. So the country that was 583 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,760 accepting of. Gay relationships as long as 584 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:39,360 they're on the down low that just lost to the country that 585 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:45,480 has open gays in the military. What were the Spartan E Fours, 586 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,640 the five guys who are in charge of Spartan culture? 587 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,720 One step down from it just allows. 588 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,560 All of them. All six of them it just allows. 589 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:56,120 And the 5E Fours were all attending a performance at the 590 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,640 time. The news arrived in Sparta. 591 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,880 What was this performance? Yes, it was naked boys dancing. 592 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,600 Yes, the the the city that doesn't want gays in their. 593 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,440 Military it is. Definitely hypocritical to see 594 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,160 it this way. Anyway, they have a pattern it 595 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,480 but. Kind of a order of effects here, 596 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,760 like a standing order. Don't just spread the news to 597 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,440 everyone you go. Tell the leaders and they decide 598 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,760 who knows next, especially the time like this, which was 599 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,600 unprecedented. So the news arise and they're 600 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,160 like, you know, you can just picture, just allow us to 601 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,440 sitting at the play watching the boys dancing. 602 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,440 And someone whispers in his ear and he's like, takes a deep 603 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,640 breath. Nods, you know, Waves the 604 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,880 messenger away, acts like nothing happened. 605 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,920 He tells the other E fours like maybe during a break in the 606 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,880 performance. They just keep watching the 607 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,640 performance. They sit there, let it end up. 608 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,680 They are not going to let anyone get any sort of clue as to 609 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,040 what's happening. They will not poker face. 610 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,840 That's what they're doing here. We just got news, but you guys 611 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,960 can keep going about your business. 612 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,480 They came up with a plan. All right, We're not going to 613 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,800 tell everybody. There's people here, there's 614 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,000 foreigners watching our performances there. 615 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,560 We've got a a big. Festival going on right now we 616 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,200 can't have. All these people going. 617 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,800 Home two or three days from now when the festival ends, telling 618 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,000 everyone that we lost. Let's let the festival end and 619 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,360 then we'll tell everybody. So that's what they did. 620 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,800 They they told just who needed to know. 621 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,960 And then once the festival ended, then they started 622 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,200 reacting like they held it in. For a few days, the whole city. 623 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,480 I mean, surely there were some exceptions, but this is an 624 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,080 unbelievable amount of citywide discipline. 625 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:40,600 They just told who needed to know to keep it secret, to make 626 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,720 sure no one else found out, and then spilled the secret. 627 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,800 Then they reacted, but they reacted backwards. 628 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,000 What does that mean? Yes, it's bizarro Sparta. 629 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,520 Or perhaps it's bizarro grease, because maybe this is normal for 630 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,640 Sparta. We don't know what normal for 631 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,720 Sparta is in this case because. Normal losing. 632 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,840 Well, that's not normal. But what they did was the 633 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,840 families of the slain, the ones who fell in battle. 634 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,160 They would walk around cheerfully, acting like 635 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:12,280 something good happened. And the ones whose son or sons 636 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,840 or fathers or uncles or whatever survived, they wept. 637 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:22,000 They walked around receiving comfort from their neighbors. 638 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,400 The ones whose people survived, the soldiers that survived, were 639 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,440 the ones that got the sentiment. The sentiment and the empathy. 640 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:35,360 Like, wait, what? Because that's just their this 641 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,080 is how they decided to face it with their They face this 642 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,920 enormous set back. It is more than a set back 643 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,320 because they thought the gods favored them. 644 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,320 It was like, wait, do the gods not favor us anymore? 645 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:46,920 We're really pious. That hurts. 646 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,360 Right. Is is this really the new 647 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:49,720 normal? Are we just on our own? 648 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,960 Even the gods don't favor us. Or is this something we can get 649 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,560 back? Because if we can get it back by 650 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,800 acting a certain way, we're starting right now with that 651 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,240 behavior. If it's discipline, we're going 652 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:01,560 to be very. Disciplined. 653 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:06,640 A number of authors, Greek or not, have written that grief is 654 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,680 the ultimate. Maybe love, maybe hate, but 655 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:14,120 grief might be the hardest. Thing to to keep internalized, 656 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,520 to not let out, to keep hidden from other people. 657 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:22,120 So Sparta's state discipline, something they made such a big 658 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:23,800 deal out of was really tested here. 659 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,680 And from their perspective, they seem to have passed. 660 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,680 They held it in. They rewarded the people whose 661 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:34,640 sons fell in battle and looked down on the ones who survived 662 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,360 because it was a loss. So it's shameful to survive a 663 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,240 battle that you lost, right? And the Spartan system doesn't 664 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,240 just this isn't just a cultural thing. 665 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,960 This is like law. Some of it is anyway. 666 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:51,400 They have a a rule for anyone who flees from battle is marked 667 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,280 forever as a trembler, and this is a legal state. 668 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,000 You are a trembler. That means anyone can beat you 669 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,920 up. They cannot give you shelter. 670 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,440 No fire, no guest right. The equivalent of guest right. 671 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:04,600 They had a version of. That. 672 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,560 No guest right to a trembler. They can only shave half their 673 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,400 beard. They can only wear bedraggled 674 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,280 clothes. Again, a warrior first culture 675 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,639 really being a coward, even though you aren't necessarily a 676 00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:20,320 coward because you ran away this one time. 677 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,760 But that's how they see it. There's they have no except 678 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:27,040 there's no it's a 0 tolerance policy except that here's a time 679 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,760 where they needed to tolerate it because what are you going to 680 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,360 do? Just designate the entire army 681 00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:37,520 as tremblers, all of them. What do you do? 682 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,360 Like this is already a Spartan system that's collapsing under 683 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,800 its own weight because there aren't enough people that live 684 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,199 up to these ideals like they they're, they don't have the 685 00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:51,880 noble, the birth status or the ability to accomplish the 686 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,000 Marshall tasks that are necessary. 687 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,199 This is the bar is too high. And the people that aren't 688 00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:58,800 making it, they fall to lower status, lower status, lower 689 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,200 status, and they get people getting killed who are above the 690 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,320 bar. Their society is shrinking. 691 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:08,520 So it's, it's really bad. And what are they going to do? 692 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,000 Like you're going to just throw away all these other soldiers 693 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,000 too? So it just allows his rule was 694 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,880 more important than ever. They look to him as a leader 695 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,800 more than ever, You might say, well, weren't they already doing 696 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,160 that? Well, yeah, they. 697 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,880 But they had two kings, right? Well, oh, well, what about the 698 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,240 dead king? Who's the new king? 699 00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:25,720 Right. There's a new king, right? 700 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,400 Yes. Agispolis the second. 701 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,520 So we have Agisalaus the second and Agispolis the second. 702 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,960 Agispolis the second, however, is 10 years old. 703 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:40,040 So 2 kings, Yeah, but really one king. 704 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,440 Because this 10 year old ain't doing anything. 705 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,720 He's not issuing orders. No one's listening to him 706 00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:46,480 anyway. They might eventually. 707 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:51,400 But not at this point. So Sparta's two king system 708 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,880 really comes down to 1. And this decision comes to just 709 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:55,840 allow us, what are we going to do? 710 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,600 What are we going to do? About the law, he says Spartans. 711 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,200 He calls the assembly. He announces his decision. 712 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,920 He says, all right, it's good that we have these laws. 713 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,960 It's good that we keep. Courage at the head of. 714 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,800 Our virtues that it's the most important thing and by that same 715 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,720 turn that cowardice is at is the biggest sin. 716 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,520 We will not abandon our laws. We will let them sleep for one 717 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,960 day, however. So you didn't see that's just 718 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,280 weasel words or lying words, whatever he's like. 719 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:32,840 Yeah, we're not going to. And the law, but we will not use 720 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,440 it today, the only time it's ever really come up. 721 00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:37,760 We're just not going to enforce it. 722 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,640 So we're going to enforce it starting tomorrow. 723 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,160 You better believe it. And anyone else runs away, they 724 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,640 will face the full extent of the law. 725 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:50,280 But this time, no. We're just going to, I don't 726 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,200 know exactly. I would really love to to know. 727 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,720 Exactly what words he used to to get this across to people who 728 00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:58,880 were probably like. Whatever you say man, we're all 729 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,240 just paranoid and scared now because it's like, is thieves 730 00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:04,040 coming? For us, that's that was on the 731 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,920 minds of many. You know, a lot of them are 732 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,000 ready to get back out there and fight, but a lot of the others 733 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,800 are like, I'm not. Used to this feeling of being on 734 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,600 the losing side, of being in danger. 735 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,520 Like I maybe I wasn't as brave as I thought because I'm always 736 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,680 just on the winning. Side and I can only take heart 737 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,280 in the fact that we haven't lost in 300 years like what was I 738 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:26,240 worried about now they're worried it just allow us says 739 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,000 not just are we suspending the. Laws, but we got to take action. 740 00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:33,000 So he immediately tests some of the allies. 741 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,800 Some of the allies kind of abandoned the army up there. 742 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,960 But remember what I said? They weren't fully leaving 743 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,920 Sparta because they didn't want to test it too much. 744 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,360 They were like, well, maybe this is a new world order, maybe it 745 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:44,960 isn't. It hadn't all set in yet. 746 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,760 Nobody knew exactly where things were headed. 747 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,400 Were only a couple of days after the battle was over here maybe a 748 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,600 week or two. So a lot of these other Greek 749 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,280 city states were still going to toe the line. 750 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,000 They weren't going to do anything too out of the 751 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,200 ordinary. They weren't going to get too 752 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,280 bold yet until they saw where things lay. 753 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,240 So it just allow us knew that or at least sussed it out. 754 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:06,840 He kind of, he kind of knew how they were going to think, so he 755 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,320 immediately called for soldiers. For some of from some of those. 756 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,080 Allied cities to test them to see if they do it A&B because he 757 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:18,040 needed some men to send N he wanted to send a relief army. 758 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,560 He had not yet given up. He was of the same mind as many 759 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,000 of those soldiers still sitting on that hill. 760 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,840 And Boisia were thinking like maybe we can still win a follow 761 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,800 up battle here and that's it and that'll erase Luktran. 762 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,560 Well, it'll look like we can just act like it was a couple of 763 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,280 running days of battle. But in the end Sparta came out 764 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:37,440 ahead. There was a little bit of a set 765 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,920 back but but but you know, just call it all one big battle. 766 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,960 You know, that's kind of their angle here. 767 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,800 So he sends his son Arcademus. Prince Arcademus. 768 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,320 Goes out with this with this relief. 769 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:52,120 Army and it heads N it's heading as quickly as it can to go to 770 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,960 Boesha to link up with the other army and and maybe start things 771 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,760 back up again. But before they got there we got 772 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,760 to see what's happening in the meantime. 773 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,440 Oh, but wait one last thing Arcademus let's not forget 774 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,360 that's this is just allows his son he was the lover of 775 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,760 Cleonimus. Cleonimus was the son of 776 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,280 Phodrius. Phodrius and Cleonimus were just 777 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,840 killed at Luchtra, so Arcademus may want, might be, might have 778 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,640 been pretty happy that his father sent him there 'cause he 779 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:19,840 might have been looking for some payback. 780 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,640 So Thebes is doing their thing. In the meantime, let's check in 781 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,720 with them. This next part is called Thebes 782 00:39:25,720 --> 00:39:30,240 Rising. So they sent to Athens, also not 783 00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:32,120 very far away. This didn't take very long. 784 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,600 And they say, look, we beat Sparta. 785 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,400 It really happened. How cool is that? 786 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,280 Yo, Yeah. Athens's response? 787 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:45,120 Was Chirp chirp crickets. They loved to hate Sparta. 788 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:49,080 They didn't love to love Thebes, despite them being closer. 789 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,240 They're a democracy. They got more in common than 790 00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:53,160 Sparta. It's that old thing. 791 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,640 It's that old thing that we humans do. 792 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,600 Politics, religion, everything else people often hate. 793 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,880 What's more similar to them than something is the polar opposite. 794 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,000 How many? There's plenty of like ancient 795 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,040 Christians or Muslims that hated the other side. 796 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,960 But. They hated other Muslims or 797 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,560 Christians even more because they're a different. 798 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,280 Denomination, you know, and it doesn't have to be about 799 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:14,280 religion. Like I said, it could be 800 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,960 politics. There's how many Democrats in 801 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,160 America hate other Democrats as much or more so than they hate 802 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,840 the Republicans or vice versa. There's a lot of that right? 803 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,160 We all know this. I think there's like two ways 804 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,720 that that happens in particular. I may may more ways than that, 805 00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:31,360 but in some of the ways I think of is feeling threatened because 806 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,120 they're in your same sphere, right? 807 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,680 You know, like they're kind of they should have more power over 808 00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:36,520 you. Yeah, yeah. 809 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,440 And so one feel well, feeling threatened like if they could 810 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,360 fill your slot, you know what I mean, because they're so similar 811 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,960 to you. But also there's the other idea 812 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,760 in terms like politics is that you like have higher standards 813 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:49,680 for this. Right. 814 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,120 That's a good one. And that comes up here because 815 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:53,920 Athens just thinks it's better than Thebes. 816 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,600 They just they don't want to be subordinate to that. 817 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,400 They're like subordinate to Sparta is one thing because, 818 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,560 well, Sparta beat them. You know, they had a whole 819 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:03,720 thing. They had a Peloponnesian. 820 00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:06,440 War and then Sparta won. So Athens is like, well, they 821 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,520 beat us, We haven't lost to you and we don't really want to 822 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:10,840 fight you. And we also don't really want 823 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:15,320 you to be that close with you because that's the enemy. 824 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,200 We know you're similar to us. We don't want to prop prop you 825 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:19,840 up. It might make everyone think 826 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,120 that your version of democracy, your version of all these things 827 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,280 is the superior version, whereas we think our version, it's very 828 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,240 much what a share was saying just now, but it's goes farther 829 00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:30,640 than that. There's another angle here that 830 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,600 I'm trying to get into, which is, yeah, Athens just didn't 831 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,520 like Thebes because they look down on them culturally. 832 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,480 They thought they were like bump country bumpkins. 833 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,680 They're the equivalent of. Of the redneck or something like 834 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,000 that. The way a city person looks at a 835 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,160 country person or something like. 836 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,200 That, you know just. Using terms that are somewhat 837 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,560 similar. Clog wearing the oceans, that's 838 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,840 what they called them. They wore clogs, which was like 839 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,720 a a rustic thing, you know, I don't know, maybe that's like 840 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,280 saying someone wears Crocs. Or something like that, which I 841 00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:58,920 don't have a problem with, but some people looked. 842 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,360 Out on that right so Athens didn't really want. 843 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,320 Thebes in charge either they're like, well, yeah, we don't want 844 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,600 Sparta in charge, but that's not that doesn't mean we want you in 845 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,640 charge. We want us in charge so. 846 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,320 And arguably Sparta was preferable because Sparta was so 847 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,640 concerned with land armies and land empire where Athens is 848 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,000 like, we're a naval empire bro. They're not really even 849 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,560 interfering with us that. Much only with that blip when 850 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,040 they had that Lysander. Guy who's been dead for. 851 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,440 Decades. That was the only time they 852 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:27,800 really gave us a challenge at sea. 853 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,840 So they're so focused on land and all this other stuff. 854 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,560 They're so conservative. They never change. 855 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,400 We're not really worried about them adapting to beating us out 856 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,680 there, you know? But thieves, they're like, they 857 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,440 might adapt. They might be able to do these 858 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,160 things. And we don't want to be 859 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,680 subordinate to country bumpkins that we look down on. 860 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,160 Was this short sighted on Athens's part? 861 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,440 Yeah, absolutely. Just like all these examples 862 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,120 I've given of similar. It's short sighted when there's 863 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,760 infighting in political parties. It's it's short sighted all 864 00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,320 these things. Yeah, this is just as short 865 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,080 sighted, partly because thieves said OK well. 866 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,560 That's kind of surprising, but we have other options. 867 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,880 We can call one of our other friends. 868 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,960 We got other possible friends. Hey, we we just gained leverage. 869 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,120 We just beat Sparta. A lot of people are going to 870 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,640 want to be our friends. We offered you first. 871 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,600 OK, You said no. Let's see who's next. 872 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,800 How about how about that? Jason of. 873 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,040 Fear eye guy. He's looking pretty strong right 874 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:25,200 now. Maybe we should make friends 875 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,680 with him. Again, this gets into the 876 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:32,440 weirdness of fellows, allies who have very little in common 877 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,360 fighting, teaming up against people that they do have things 878 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,200 in common with. Jason is a military dictator. 879 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:42,560 He's more like a Sparta than in Athens or a Thieves. 880 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,360 But go. Figure, you know an enemy of my 881 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,560 enemy is my friend kind of situation maybe that's not what 882 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,360 this was like Athens was friendly with Jason. 883 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,600 They didn't want to be an enemy of his, but they saw how they 884 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,080 were kind of competing for the same things Jason openly talked 885 00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:01,520 about building his own Navy from the same timber forests that 886 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,960 Athens was getting theirs Athens didn't own these forests. 887 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,080 Neither did Jason. They were owned by Macedonia. 888 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,600 And Jason's like, well, what if we're, well, we're next door to 889 00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:11,720 Matt. That's our next door neighbor in 890 00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:12,520 Macedonia. Athens. 891 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,240 You're farther away. You're not next door to. 892 00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:16,200 Either of us. You're a little farther away. 893 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,520 You're not far, but you're not as close as we are. 894 00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:22,080 So what if we get that timber, either through force or by 895 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,000 offering more money? Then we build a Navy and you 896 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,560 don't have timber to build ships anymore. 897 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,520 And we don't even have to beat you at sea. 898 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,840 We just take your resources away and all your ships are going to 899 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,560 rot and fall apart. Never mind that, Jason, it comes 900 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,400 from horse country. They don't have sailors. 901 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,480 But this is still a fear that Athens had. 902 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,560 They're like, huh, that's not good, we don't want that. 903 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,400 And now Thieves is going. To team up with them maybe. 904 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,680 We were short sighted. But anyway, Jason's young, so 905 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,160 like all these things about, well, maybe he's not a sailing 906 00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,440 guy, these are. I wouldn't, but you wouldn't put 907 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,040 it past him either given all the other adaptations and 908 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,840 advancements he had made. So again, this guy was nicknamed 909 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,200 Prometheus and his reputation for thinking ahead was well 910 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,200 known. So when he talks about things 911 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,720 that are coming, you take it seriously because he has a 912 00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:09,640 reputation for being right when he talks about what he's. 913 00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,080 Going to accomplish. You take that seriously too, 914 00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,720 because this is a guy that has accomplished everything he said 915 00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:16,320 he was going to accomplish. And then some. 916 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:22,520 He had been talking openly about Persia as the common goal of all 917 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,040 Greece. Like, hey, Persia attacks us all 918 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:30,480 the time, right? Why do why not turn the tide? 919 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,800 Why not let's they're always hiring our soldiers. 920 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:38,400 Why not go after them? So thieves and Sparta grinding 921 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,080 each other down. He doesn't like that. 922 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,160 He wants thieves and Sparta to be part of his team. 923 00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:47,120 His go gets Persia team, you know, don't fight each other, 924 00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:48,560 right? It's the same sort of thing. 925 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,040 This is a different level of infighting. 926 00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,600 You know, thieves and Sparta may seem like diametrically opposed 927 00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,560 in a lot of ways they are. But from Jason's perspective, 928 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,360 they're all Greek. They're all not Persian. 929 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,120 They could all be a weapon against the bigger common enemy, 930 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,680 right? So they ask for, hey, buddy, 931 00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,800 what's going on? Can you help us out here? 932 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,400 Do you want to be our ally? Jason does more than say yes. 933 00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,800 He gets 1500 of his best troops and rushes South. 934 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,600 And we've talked before about how quickly this guy moves. 935 00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,600 He when he wants to get somewhere quickly, he'll camp 936 00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,600 for just a few hours, wake up. Go. 937 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,280 Right. And that's what he does. 938 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,440 He saw the opportunity. And he wanted to show. 939 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:31,480 Off and he's like hey they're inviting me to like put myself 940 00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,240 in the middle of things and maybe broker a piece or broker 941 00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:36,800 whatever I love to be in the middle of things that's where I 942 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,480 am all the time that's they're inviting me to be where I want 943 00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,520 to be so he jumped at this chance brought 1500 soldiers, 944 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,200 which is like OK, 1500 soldiers that's a lot but it's not enough 945 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,400 to like conquer something he can't like take a city well, 946 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,720 maybe he could but that's not enough it's not an invasion 947 00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:51,760 force. You don't look at that like an 948 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,760 invasion force, but you also can't just like. 949 00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:54,960 Ha. He's weak. 950 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,840 Let's get him not with his 1500 of his best soldiers. 951 00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,120 And part of the reason he moved so quickly was to show that he 952 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:02,480 could. He had that reputation. 953 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,760 I think he, I bet he turned on The Jets even more to prove that 954 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,600 it was true when people were actually watching. 955 00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:11,280 He got there fast. And let's not forget he was a 956 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,240 friend of Thebes. His wife was Theben. 957 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:18,240 His first kid, a daughter named Phoebe, now, he got there and he 958 00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:22,040 encouraged him to make peace. So he says now, I believe that. 959 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,000 I believe that he encouraged him to make peace. 960 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,680 The part I'm not so sure about is he takes a lot of credit for 961 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:28,560 it. After the fact. 962 00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:32,320 He's like, yeah, I got Sparta and Thebes to calm down. 963 00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,960 Without me, they might have just gone right back at it again. 964 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,520 You know, it's all. That's exactly the sort of thing 965 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,760 he would do. He puts himself in the middle or 966 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,600 gets put in the middle and then claims credit for whatever 967 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,720 happens unless things go wrong. But they didn't go wrong. 968 00:47:45,720 --> 00:47:47,560 So he nothing to do but claim credit. 969 00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,680 He's he said I, I went back and forth between both camps. 970 00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,280 I went up to the hill, talked to the Spartans, showed them the 971 00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:58,280 folly of fighting right now, talked to the Thebans, told them 972 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:02,200 it was magnanimous and manly to hold back. 973 00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:06,000 You know, show that worthiness, show that you were. 974 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,400 Sure that you're the bigger city, that you don't need to 975 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,280 punish these guys, that you're you've made your. 976 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,960 Point, you know, and someone like Epaminondas, Palapas, 977 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,440 they're all, they're like, yeah, 'cause you, as we'll see in the 978 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:19,640 future, Epaminondas and Palapas are a different sort in, in 979 00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,720 terms of how they deal with defeated enemies. 980 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:26,560 Even Greeks in this era and later very commonly follow the 981 00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:30,440 the whole battering ram rule if the battering ram touches the 982 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,720 gate. All bets are off. 983 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,720 We're going to. Do whatever we want with your 984 00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:37,320 people. And when we take your city, 985 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:42,440 which usually means pillaging and enslaving, Palapas and 986 00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,320 Impanas weren't about that. They're like, no, no, no, no, 987 00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,800 you can't do that. We're never going to get after 988 00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:51,280 this cycle if we don't treat our neighbors better, Sparta. 989 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:52,800 Didn't care about that. They're like Nah, Nah, we're. 990 00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,040 In charge, we do what we want now, we won't go too far. 991 00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,360 We have some restraint, you know, we're not executing people 992 00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,640 left and right, but we will kill a few people here and there to 993 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,280 because it needs doing. So that's different. 994 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,040 So, so that's a long. That's what Jason wants. 995 00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,680 He's like, yeah, don't kill each other, 'cause I want you all to 996 00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,360 work for me. So he didn't want Sparta to lose 997 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,000 too much glory or supremacy either, 'cause he wants that 998 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,200 supremacy in glory. He wants that, that people 999 00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,320 afraid of Sparta. He wants Persia to be afraid of 1000 00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:21,520 Sparta. He doesn't want them to lose 1001 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:22,840 that. He just wants it pointed at 1002 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,760 Persia. He wanted Persia to fear a 1003 00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,720 united Greek army that included the mighty Sparta, right? 1004 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,160 So there's no more undefeated Sparta, but they can still scare 1005 00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:33,760 people. They can still scare Persians. 1006 00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:38,520 So it it's sneaky, right? He's acting like he's doing all 1007 00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:39,960 this. He's putting it, he's centered 1008 00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,720 here, but he isn't necessarily changing anything. 1009 00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:43,920 He's taking a lot of credit for it. 1010 00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,880 I'm not sure that anything would have gone differently here. 1011 00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,640 But his charisma was so potent and well known that it's hard 1012 00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,200 not to give him some credit. He was saving Greek lives. 1013 00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:55,920 He was saying, yeah, I'm, I'm, this is, I'm leadership 1014 00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:57,320 material. Look at what I'm doing here. 1015 00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,400 I stopped the fighting. Did he? 1016 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,960 We're not really sure He he definitely presented it that 1017 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,040 way. So he said, hey, thieves, leave 1018 00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:06,680 it at that. You know, one victory, leave it 1019 00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:07,960 at they did not leave it at that. 1020 00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,960 And This is why I'm not so sure Jason really did a whole lot 1021 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,040 here, even though he claimed for it. 1022 00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,280 Because Thieves is. Not really going to stop. 1023 00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,960 They just are going to start with what's closer to home. 1024 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,200 They're going to start shoring up their region, Sparta. 1025 00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,920 When Sparta had the upper hand, they were able to insert some 1026 00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:25,200 garrison's here and there. That's. 1027 00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:30,400 Going to be Thebes first task is getting Thebes and Boisha to be 1028 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,240 purely theirs. Get rid of all the Spartan 1029 00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:34,600 influence. That's their first priority and 1030 00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,960 the Spartan army, their first priority is getting out of the 1031 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,840 pickle they're in. So Jason says he arranged a 1032 00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,320 truce here, right? He wants all those dudes now. 1033 00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:47,320 Persia also likes this because Persia doesn't want Persia's and 1034 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,080 we want Greece fighting each other a little bit 'cause we 1035 00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:51,440 don't want this unified Greece thing. 1036 00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:52,960 We don't want that unified Greece thing that Jason's 1037 00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,160 talking about, but we don't want them too. 1038 00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,760 Deep in the trenches or there won't be any mercenaries for us 1039 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,400 to hire. And we do love those Greece 1040 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,600 Greek mercenaries, right? So stack all that together. 1041 00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,600 Persia wanted peace and Greece to buy soldiers to attack Egypt 1042 00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,040 and elsewhere. Jason wanted peace and Greece to 1043 00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:14,880 lead them to attack Persia. He's like, why take their pay 1044 00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,560 when you can take their pay, right? 1045 00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,080 Give me that. So Persia's position is top 1046 00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:26,400 paymaster for unemployed Greek soldiers was wavering because 1047 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:30,360 other power brokers in the Greek world had figured out that 1048 00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,280 blueprint and headed to implementing it. 1049 00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:36,680 Jason wasn't the first, although he was taking it farther, 1050 00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,200 perhaps than anyone else had to that point. 1051 00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:41,720 So he goes home and he starts telling people. 1052 00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:42,840 What a great job. He did. 1053 00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,560 He's like, yo, I'm even stronger than I was. 1054 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,240 They invited me down there 'cause they needed me, and I 1055 00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:50,880 delivered. I stopped the bloodshed. 1056 00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:56,120 I got them to agree to a truce. And oh, by the way, on my way 1057 00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,360 home, I passed through Thermopylae. 1058 00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,000 You guys know Thermopylae? That's the movie 300. 1059 00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,360 That was the big pass that was guarded to keep the Persians 1060 00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,400 out. It's hard to get into Greece 1061 00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,400 without going through Thermopylae with an army. 1062 00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:12,040 So Jason said I'm probably coming back. 1063 00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:16,600 And even though his words were I'm coming back, I'm a peace 1064 00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,280 broker, I'm going to, you know, I'm a leader. 1065 00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,560 When he passed through Thermopylae, he ordered his 1500 1066 00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:26,560 soldiers to destroy the city of Heraclea, which was the northern 1067 00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:31,000 defence point. Now Thermopylae, he could just 1068 00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,560 walk right back through if if he if Greece wanted to fortify it 1069 00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,200 to keep him from coming back in, they wouldn't have enough time. 1070 00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,400 Because he well, unless he didn't. 1071 00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:43,200 Come back for a while, but everybody knew he'd be back and 1072 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:44,960 in fact, he might be back pretty soon. 1073 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,720 In fact, he was definitely going to be back pretty soon, if you 1074 00:52:47,720 --> 00:52:50,520 believe what he said. So he's telling everybody how 1075 00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,520 well it went in his country. He's like, look, he hasn't fully 1076 00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,120 gotten control of Thessaly. It's a big country, very 1077 00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,080 disunited. A lot of still, parts of it are 1078 00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,880 still sort somewhat tribal. So he's got most of it, but he's 1079 00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,280 trying to lock down the rest and he's using this as lever. 1080 00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,000 He's like, look, I did all this stuff there. 1081 00:53:07,720 --> 00:53:09,840 Look, Thebes thieves just won that battle, y'all? 1082 00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,560 I didn't tell them this, but they're bumpkins. 1083 00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,040 Like Athens agrees with me, you know? 1084 00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,840 So they're not fit. They're not fit to be #1 they're 1085 00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:20,920 Athens and Sparta. Their time is done and Thebes 1086 00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:22,800 isn't fit. It's our time. 1087 00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,200 Thessaly should be #1 And I'm number one in Thessaly. 1088 00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,880 So he's selling them on. Hey, wasn't it great? 1089 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:31,560 Don't you? Wouldn't you want to be in that 1090 00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,640 position like the leaders of Greece? 1091 00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:35,640 Like that's a serious trickle down for everybody. 1092 00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,280 Yeah, I'm number one. But you guys will all be 1093 00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,640 elevated. Every noble's going to have more 1094 00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,960 land. Every peasant's going to have 1095 00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,720 more esteem. Everything's going to be better. 1096 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:49,720 It's very, very, very encouraging, very, very tempting 1097 00:53:49,720 --> 00:53:52,400 for the Thessalians, many of them, not all of them, but a lot 1098 00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:53,720 of them. He's very charismatic. 1099 00:53:53,720 --> 00:53:56,680 He's very good at this. On top of that, you got people 1100 00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,120 like the Athenian philosopher Isocrates. 1101 00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,240 Very confusing. Not Socrates, Isocrates. 1102 00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:08,040 He has been in and out of our story as a man who. 1103 00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,320 Looks up. To these charismatic, powerful 1104 00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:15,560 leaders and says you should take over. 1105 00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,040 Unified Greece is a good thing. We want that. 1106 00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:19,760 We're better off that way. Look how much we fight. 1107 00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:20,960 Each other. Of course he's not. 1108 00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:22,080 Thinking ahead. He's not thinking. 1109 00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,120 Whoa. If he were really on top of his 1110 00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,600 game, he'd be thinking bigger nations still fight each other. 1111 00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,960 Just because it's a bigger nation doesn't mean it's immune 1112 00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:31,680 to war. It just has bigger wars. 1113 00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,040 It's bigger civil wars. Yeah. 1114 00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,120 So he's. He's imagining one leader can 1115 00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:37,200 hold it all together. Yeah. 1116 00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:38,680 Not really. Maybe for a time. 1117 00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:40,400 Yeah. It's just pie in the sky. 1118 00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:41,760 Sorry. I, Socrates. 1119 00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:46,280 I Socrates. It came 2400 years before Frank 1120 00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,480 Herbert warned us all about charismatic leaders. 1121 00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:52,640 You know, dunes, Jason Efira is definitely Paul tradies here. 1122 00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,760 And yeah, I think a Socrates would have encouraged Paul to 1123 00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,760 follow the golden path. He's like, yeah, we need you, We 1124 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,200 need you to take over everything. 1125 00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,480 And yeah, anyway, yeah, I don't. I'm not with you there. 1126 00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,280 I Socrates. So this partner army on the hill 1127 00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,360 is another reason why I'm not so sure that Jason didn't 1128 00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:15,520 exaggerate his role because Sparta either didn't trust him 1129 00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:19,320 or like I said, Jason was exaggerating because they he got 1130 00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,560 them to agree to a truce, as he said, or maybe a truce was 1131 00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,320 agreed to. Maybe he didn't do that. 1132 00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,360 Either way, the Spartan officer said OK, They told their men, 1133 00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,760 hey, we've got a truce now. We've got a truce with thieves. 1134 00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,640 We have every, we know we're going to leave in the morning, 1135 00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:37,640 so get ready. But instead they left at night. 1136 00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,560 They left before the morning, like 5-6 hours ahead of that. 1137 00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:43,560 They didn't tell anyone except themselves, and they just 1138 00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:45,360 changed their plans at the last second. 1139 00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,240 They knew they were going to change those plans, they just 1140 00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:50,240 didn't tell anyone because they were afraid of word getting out. 1141 00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,640 They kind of hoped word would get out that they were leaving 1142 00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:54,360 in the morning because they wanted their enemies to find 1143 00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:55,800 that out. They wanted thieves to think 1144 00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:56,800 they were leaving in the morning. 1145 00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,040 They wanted maybe Jason to think they were leaving in the 1146 00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:00,400 morning. But they left at night. 1147 00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,480 They were so wary of being attacked on the March, they used 1148 00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,400 deception. They didn't even go the most 1149 00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,160 straightforward path. They took a circuitous route so 1150 00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,040 they'd be less likely to be followed, a route that their 1151 00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:12,480 enemies would not guess they'd take. 1152 00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:17,480 And when morning came, the Stevens and Jason were like, Oh 1153 00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:21,320 yeah, OK, they're gone. Interesting it the plan worked, 1154 00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:22,920 sort of. I don't think thieves was going 1155 00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,280 to attack them from behind, so it maybe didn't matter. 1156 00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:27,760 Jason probably wouldn't have either or anything like that. 1157 00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,400 But they were trying to be safe. They wanted to be sure the last 1158 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,880 thing they needed. Was another loss to report as 1159 00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:35,240 they got home. It was already going to be 1160 00:56:35,240 --> 00:56:37,760 difficult enough to get home and be like, yeah, we're the guys 1161 00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:41,320 who lost, hey, what's going on? Even though they took a 1162 00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,440 circuitous route, even though they took an unusual route home, 1163 00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:50,960 less than a day after leaving, they encountered the relief army 1164 00:56:51,240 --> 00:56:54,520 sent by a just allow us under his son, Arcademus. 1165 00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,440 One day too late and they were already gone. 1166 00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,200 They'd given up their fortified position too late now. 1167 00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:04,920 So Arcademus said, The gods really aren't on our side right 1168 00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:06,400 now. One day. 1169 00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,560 If we had shown up a day later like this, you guys had waited 1170 00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,520 12 more hours to leave, we would have shown up, and then we could 1171 00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,960 have maybe attacked. And too late now, so they went 1172 00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:17,680 back home. Now, there's no doubt they'd be 1173 00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,560 back. But when? 1174 00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:24,120 So again, when news of that came, Jason was able to just 1175 00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,680 brag even more. He's like, yeah, see, look what 1176 00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,800 I did. I stopped that from happening. 1177 00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:33,160 Like, it was my timing. Like as much as the the timing 1178 00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,520 of all this is so fortuitous in a superstitious society, even 1179 00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:40,080 people who don't believe in the gods or in omens are going to 1180 00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,880 go, the gods favored me here. Look at that. 1181 00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,200 Look at that. You know, it's just too 1182 00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:49,120 straightforward to the the rank and file people out there that 1183 00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:50,640 do believe in these superstitions. 1184 00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:56,160 Yeah, pretty bad. Now we move to the year 370. 1185 00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:00,760 We are in the year 370 from 371. And that's cool because we get 1186 00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:02,520 to say a few fun things at the beginning of the year. 1187 00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,880 But to start off though, I want to point out how we've kept 1188 00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:09,560 track of various kings in the states north of Greece, but 1189 00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,960 only. But the only family we've kept 1190 00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,280 track of outside of Greece is the Persian royal family for the 1191 00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:17,360 most part, and a few of the other noble families in Persia. 1192 00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,720 Now we need to look at a few of the other families because, 1193 00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:23,840 well, as these kingdoms are growing, the temptation for 1194 00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,960 internal strife or assassinations, for seizing the 1195 00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:31,560 crown from your father, your brother, your uncle, whoever 1196 00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,280 becomes greater and greater. The things that we're very 1197 00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,160 familiar with, the type of intrigue we're very familiar 1198 00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,800 with, not just from the real world, but very much from A Song 1199 00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,800 of Ice and Fire. As one family member leverages 1200 00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:45,280 its house's power to increase that power, the internal strife 1201 00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:49,720 potential goes up because the temptation to seize that power 1202 00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,000 which is increasing is all the greater. 1203 00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,800 The sculptor Praxitelli's his career began around this time 1204 00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:57,800 with 370 BC. He was the. 1205 00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:02,080 First ever person in the world known of to carve a full size 1206 00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:06,040 female nude sculpture, which clearly that means that men had 1207 00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,560 been carved fully nude. Sculpted before that that was 1208 00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,560 not that was not written in this article I read but clearly that 1209 00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:16,840 must be the case unless the full female full male statue came 1210 00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:18,240 later. Well maybe that's the case. 1211 00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:19,760 Kind of doubt given the way these Greeks were. 1212 00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:25,200 Interesting thing about him is they scholars and art historians 1213 00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:30,440 and regular historians, they're positive that some of these 1214 00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,800 ancient world statues that we still have are his. 1215 00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,440 They just don't know which ones because a lot of these ancient 1216 00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,760 sculptures, we're just not sure who made them. 1217 00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:42,520 But this guy was so famous, so influential, they're sure 1218 00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,720 mathematically speaking, like the odds of none of these being 1219 00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:49,760 his are tiny, but they don't know for sure which ones there 1220 00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:51,160 are. So it's kind of funny. 1221 00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:54,240 We have, we definitely have the work of Praxitelli's still 1222 00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,320 around in this world. We just don't know which ones 1223 00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,680 there are. There's no just like anything 1224 00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:00,680 else. Like a lot of these infighting 1225 01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,760 things we talked about go to an even more micro version of that 1226 01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:09,400 the community of art historians. I wouldn't go so far to say they 1227 01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:10,920 hate. Each other and some some of 1228 01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:12,960 these factions within. Art historians hate each other 1229 01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,880 as much as certain Christian denominations hate other 1230 01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:17,400 Christian denominations or what have you. 1231 01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,400 But yet again, there is not agreement. 1232 01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:24,120 And then some of these arguments are probably not violent, but 1233 01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:27,040 like, they probably get pretty mad, you know? 1234 01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,480 And at some point, like, no, you look at this evidence. 1235 01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,640 This is not 3rd century, blah, blah, blah. 1236 01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:33,480 You know, I don't know what kind of the arguments take. 1237 01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:36,040 But. I'm sure they get pretty fierce, 1238 01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,600 right, Udox? Now we'll come back to 1239 01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,080 Praxitelli's because his, some of his other stuff is going to 1240 01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,240 pop up here and there. But we're introducing him now, 1241 01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:46,000 and I think throughout the rest of our series there'll be some a 1242 01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:47,520 moment or two where we can bring him up. 1243 01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,680 Because statues matter. Statues come up a lot. 1244 01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,840 They're they're the province of the wealthy and the successful, 1245 01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:57,880 and Greeks loves its statues. A guy named Udoxas of Kinetas. 1246 01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,680 I probably said both the name and the place wrong there. 1247 01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:05,160 The mathematician he was, he figured out the formula for 1248 01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,320 determining the area under a curve. 1249 01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:11,480 I don't know how he did that, but well done you Daxus of 1250 01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:12,680 Kinitas. That's a lot of you. 1251 01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:15,200 Who know math pretty well or like might have known that or 1252 01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:18,520 not and you're like, well now you know 2 to be mad at for all 1253 01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:22,240 those difficult math questions. Or for making the world a better 1254 01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,080 place because of his calculations. 1255 01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,920 He was also a doctor and an astronomer and a lawmaker and a 1256 01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:28,160 student of Plato. So. 1257 01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:32,920 Boy, his resume was fat. Arguably he was the most 1258 01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:38,120 successful, most influential mathematician in ancient Greece. 1259 01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:40,360 Period. Next. 1260 01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:45,760 To Archimedes, who will be born in 287, so Eudoxus during his 1261 01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,320 life for a long time was the most. 1262 01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:52,520 Until Archimedes came along. Archimedes, like I said, came 1263 01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:54,760 along in 287. That's 83 years after where we 1264 01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:58,080 are now. But Archimedes was born in 1265 01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:01,280 Syracuse or Syracuse. I don't know how they said it. 1266 01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,120 Both is probably right. And that's where we're going 1267 01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:08,640 next. The sword of Damocles. 1268 01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:11,440 That's right. You all have heard of this 1269 01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:15,240 anecdote. Thing, but just in case you need 1270 01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:17,520 a. Refresher Dionysius the tyrant 1271 01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:19,880 of Syracuse. Good example of a popular leader 1272 01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:23,400 who seized power and used the wealth of his city to pay 1273 01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,400 mercenaries. And thus hold. 1274 01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:27,080 Power. He was also a poet. 1275 01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,800 Not a very good one. I think I may have told you 1276 01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,200 about his poetry in a past episode. 1277 01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:35,200 If not, we'll come back to it because it's going to come up in 1278 01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,240 a very humorous way in a couple of years from where we're at. 1279 01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:42,320 So he's kind of the opposite of Jason in that he build his power 1280 01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,880 base the same way, Take money, buy mercenaries, keep paying 1281 01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:47,920 those mercenaries. Hold power, blah, blah blah. 1282 01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:50,640 He was just much farther down that road at this point. 1283 01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:53,600 He's in his 60s and it held power for a long time using this 1284 01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:56,720 method and but he was the opposite of Jason in that he 1285 01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:58,720 was. Very not immune. 1286 01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:01,240 To the pleasures of the flesh. Maybe in the long term, Jason 1287 01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:03,960 would get this way, but right now Jason is, you know, he's 1288 01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:05,920 like. Adonis or something. 1289 01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,960 The guy goes exercises every day and makes his soldiers keep up 1290 01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:10,880 with him and says, hey soldier, you can't keep up with me, 1291 01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,360 you're not in my army, Dionysius is. 1292 01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:18,520 Wow, overweight like he's illyrio, drinks and eats all the 1293 01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:20,160 time. Very lavish, very Persian in 1294 01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:21,680 that regard. Some people look down on him 1295 01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:24,440 because his lifestyle was very Persian and Greeks don't like 1296 01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:27,840 Persians, so he had a poet at his. 1297 01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:29,360 Court. He was a poet, so he surrounded 1298 01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:30,960 himself with other poets and philosophers. 1299 01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:35,160 Plato was there for a while. He wants enslaved Plato and then 1300 01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,720 let him go. And yeah, this guy was a real, 1301 01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:39,720 real piece of work, this Dionysius he. 1302 01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:41,200 Really lived up to his name. He. 1303 01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:41,960 He. Really. 1304 01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:49,080 Did Damocles once, well not once, many times would praise 1305 01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:53,000 Dionysius court like how? Lavish your court is, how nice 1306 01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:56,040 how? The vintage of your wines, the 1307 01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:58,960 nice gold, the. The purple cloth, all the nice 1308 01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:00,920 stuff, he's like, he's would praise it all the time. 1309 01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:02,760 Diana just got tired of the flattery one day. 1310 01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:04,960 And he's like, look, man, I don't think you get it. 1311 01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:11,040 Let's trade for a day. You be me for a day, and I'll be 1312 01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:14,280 you. And this is how you're going to 1313 01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:17,760 understand what it's like. Above your head will be a sword 1314 01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:21,200 hanging by a single horse hair. And here it comes from that 1315 01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:26,240 quote to evoke the sense of what it is like to be king, though 1316 01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:30,280 having much fortune, always having to watch an anxiety 1317 01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:34,960 against dangers that might try to overtake him, whether it is a 1318 01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:39,880 jealous advisor or servant, A slanderous rumor, an enemy 1319 01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:45,800 Kingdom, a poor royal decision, or anything else put in other 1320 01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:47,840 ways. You can't enjoy anything because 1321 01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,120 you're always worried that someone's going to try to take 1322 01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:52,720 it from you or that you'll screw it up yourself. 1323 01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:56,280 One could lead to the other. It's kind of similar to what 1324 01:04:56,280 --> 01:05:00,920 Stannis said about, you know, you can't really relax. 1325 01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:03,080 You have to be. King, You know you have to be 1326 01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:04,840 king all the time. You can't have friends, you only 1327 01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:06,000 have subjects, that kind of thing. 1328 01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:10,960 And others have interpreted this anecdote differently because 1329 01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:14,640 it's been around for 2400 years. It's a it's a really interesting 1330 01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:18,160 philosophical point. For example, some people say 1331 01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:21,640 it's a good reason to enjoy life as best as you can because death 1332 01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:23,640 looms over everyone. You could die at any moment. 1333 01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:25,680 So just enjoy yourself. Do the make the most of what you 1334 01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,360 have. It's in Shakespeare. 1335 01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:31,000 It's very similar to the phrase uneasy lies, the head that wears 1336 01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:32,720 the crown. Very similar. 1337 01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:34,120 Canterbury Tales gets deep into it. 1338 01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:38,840 JFK said nuclear war. The threat of nuclear war is the 1339 01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:42,160 sword of Damocles, A flaming sword held above the world. 1340 01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:44,640 Lightbringer. That's the concept here. 1341 01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:48,480 It's been in a lot of songs. The rock Rocky Horror Picture 1342 01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,760 Show has a song has a song called The Sword of Damocles. 1343 01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:54,320 Lou Reed has a song about it. Trivium Sleep Token. 1344 01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:56,280 Probably the most reason to do a song about it was them. 1345 01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:58,960 They did one last year about it. 2025 rap. 1346 01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:02,240 It comes up a lot in rap. The concept because the concept 1347 01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:05,000 of kings is very common in rap. Well, not very common. 1348 01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:08,200 It's it's frequently found in rap music, people talking about 1349 01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,760 being the king and how it's acknowledged that staying king 1350 01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,920 is really hard. The Fugees have a song called 1351 01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:15,920 Zealots that. Refers to the Sword of Demacles. 1352 01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:20,200 I really wish it was a concept more would be tyrants would be 1353 01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,840 people who seize power would learn before they do that 'cause 1354 01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:24,280 then they might not do that. They're like, you know, this 1355 01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:28,000 isn't all it's cracked up to be. You seize that power and then 1356 01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:31,640 you can't let it go because then you got then the people who you 1357 01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:34,760 stepped over to get to it will kill you or get their revenge. 1358 01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:38,000 And so, yeah, it's kill you. You put yourself in a kill or be 1359 01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,440 killed situation you thought you would enjoy. 1360 01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:42,600 You thought it would be the best thing ever, but it actually 1361 01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:43,840 sucks. Yeah. 1362 01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:46,160 So, yeah, that would be a good thing for more people to learn. 1363 01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:48,000 Don't, don't become a tyrant, y'all. 1364 01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:51,280 You won't like it. You won't enjoy it yourself. 1365 01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:53,640 You know, if you did it, you you made yourself a tyrant so you 1366 01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:55,640 could be the one guy that got to enjoy everything. 1367 01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:57,240 Well, you won't you won't like it. 1368 01:06:57,560 --> 01:06:59,880 You won't have fun. You won't have time to have fun. 1369 01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:01,480 You'll be too worried about who's coming to get you. 1370 01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:05,640 Perhaps what isn't said enough is that the sword of Damocles 1371 01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:08,120 hangs over families, especially powerful families. 1372 01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:10,440 Now. Dionysius at this point was 62 1373 01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:13,840 years old, as I said, so his fears would also include just 1374 01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:17,440 I'm old now and I'm I eat and drink. 1375 01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,160 A lot. I could just drop dead any 1376 01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:23,120 minute from my lifestyle, let alone murder. 1377 01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:25,320 Now this is a guy that was able to handle fear. 1378 01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:27,480 This wasn't some paranoid man in general. 1379 01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:31,520 It just goes to show how heavy. The crown is. 1380 01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,840 This is a guy that was a military commander like Jason. 1381 01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:38,960 He was a military leader that grew his esteem, his reputation 1382 01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:43,280 by being good in a fight. So he wasn't a coward. 1383 01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:45,240 He was, in fact, very much the opposite. 1384 01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:49,440 I mean, it's just another thing he used to gain power, though. 1385 01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:55,120 He used his soldiering career to make himself a hero. 1386 01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:59,720 And then he put himself into politics, and then he staged an 1387 01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:01,400 attack on himself. This is when he was very young, 1388 01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:05,000 when he was in his 20s or so, after his successful military 1389 01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:06,880 career, where they defeated Carthage. 1390 01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:09,120 Carthage was the enemy of Syracuse. 1391 01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:12,480 On and off for, well, forever. The Carthage is still the enemy 1392 01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:15,080 long after Dionysius goes and was before. 1393 01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:19,240 He had more success against Carthage than most Syracuse and 1394 01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:22,279 rulers. He got about 2/3 of Sicily for 1395 01:08:22,319 --> 01:08:25,439 Greece for himself, where the Carthage held on to that other 1396 01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:27,439 third and. You all know. 1397 01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:29,880 Rome, when Rome comes around, which is, you know, another 100 1398 01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:34,080 years or so, give or take, they fight Carthage for Sicily in the 1399 01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:36,080 First Punic War. And yeah, it's a. 1400 01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:37,279 Big. It's a big whole thing. 1401 01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:41,720 Anyway, what did he do to gain power after his heroism? 1402 01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:44,600 Heroism in the military. It's very normal in the modern 1403 01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:47,080 world for someone to have a military career, a brief one, 1404 01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:49,080 just so they can put it on their resume because they want to go 1405 01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:51,600 up in politics. This guy actually saw combat, so 1406 01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:53,880 it's a little different. Was actually a leader, but still 1407 01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:55,319 he leveraged it just the same way. 1408 01:08:55,319 --> 01:08:57,960 As I said. What did he do as a political 1409 01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:00,600 figure? He was attacked. 1410 01:09:01,319 --> 01:09:03,120 He survived. Then he went crying to the 1411 01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:06,080 assemblies, like, look, I'm this important political figure. 1412 01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:07,880 I got attacked. I need bodyguards. 1413 01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:09,439 The city should pay for my bodyguards. 1414 01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:11,040 He pushed, he pushed. They agreed. 1415 01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:13,720 Well, turns out the attack was staged. 1416 01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:15,560 He was never attacked. He faked it. 1417 01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:18,520 Have you heard of such a thing? A leader staging a fake attack 1418 01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:19,640 on themselves. No, never. 1419 01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:21,200 That's never happened in the real world. 1420 01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:24,120 He gained further popularity. He was already popular. 1421 01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:27,040 He gained more popularity by being the guy that survived the 1422 01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:28,479 hit. You know, they're coming to get 1423 01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:29,359 me. But I beat it. 1424 01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:31,279 I survived. I toughed it out, and now I've 1425 01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:32,760 got bodyguards. What did he do with those 1426 01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:35,560 bodyguards? Got them to be real loyal 1427 01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:39,000 treated them real well like Jason was doing, you know, 50 1428 01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:42,720 years later and then once those bodyguards were real loyal he. 1429 01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:43,920 Used them to. Seize power. 1430 01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:46,200 He had our he. He got the city to give him 1431 01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:48,479 soldiers and then use those soldiers to take over the city. 1432 01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:52,560 Pretty clever actually. He elevated his station like 1433 01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:56,440 Lysander did decades before. He actually had divine honors in 1434 01:09:56,440 --> 01:09:57,960 his name while he was alive, usually. 1435 01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:00,280 That's the thing that. Happens after you're dead or 1436 01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,480 usually doesn't happen at all. But during his life he was 1437 01:10:03,480 --> 01:10:06,400 worshipped as a God, which is pretty wild. 1438 01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:09,200 And, you know, he was actually very successful. 1439 01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:11,920 Most powerful city in the Greek world by most accounts. 1440 01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:16,440 And partially because Sicily is so far to the West. 1441 01:10:16,440 --> 01:10:18,120 It's on the fringes of the Greek world. 1442 01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:22,360 You go a little farther West and you're in Italy or Spain or 1443 01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:24,240 that's. Not what it was called then, but 1444 01:10:24,480 --> 01:10:27,440 you get the point. He conquered a lot of the boot 1445 01:10:27,440 --> 01:10:31,360 of Italy, right? And he wasn't just a great 1446 01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:33,520 military leader and a tyrant and a great. 1447 01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:37,440 Economic leader. He was an innovator like a 1448 01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:39,880 ficker teaser. Jason, he was he he built 1449 01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:42,400 things, designed things that were used in war. 1450 01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:47,480 He you he actually popularized slash created the first Western 1451 01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:50,560 crossbows in the Greek world. They'd already existed over in 1452 01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:53,240 China for a while. But they called them belly bows 1453 01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:55,360 'cause you reload them like on your belly, like you push it 1454 01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:58,160 like that to reload it. And then he took it farther and 1455 01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:01,480 made big ones like ballista, like modern, well, what would 1456 01:11:01,480 --> 01:11:04,480 have been modern in the medieval times, many hundreds of years 1457 01:11:04,480 --> 01:11:07,080 later. He was making them then, and he 1458 01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:09,360 also was. A big wall builder. 1459 01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:12,720 The walls of Syracuse were really, really well designed and 1460 01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:16,640 really used new techniques. And he was a guy that had been 1461 01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:19,840 directly involved with that too. In fact, Rome, when they do, 1462 01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:23,000 come 100 years from now. They're going to have a hell of 1463 01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:26,120 a time taking it thanks to those walls and thanks to Archimedes, 1464 01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:29,440 the inventor, mathematician who we mentioned that will be alive 1465 01:11:29,440 --> 01:11:32,320 at the time when Rome conquers the city. 1466 01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:35,960 But all that success, man, he had all that success. 1467 01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,520 He made Syracuse the most powerful Greek city he had. 1468 01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:43,440 No one ever killed him. You know, he had poets and 1469 01:11:43,440 --> 01:11:46,720 philosophers and acclaim and all this other stuff, but he was 1470 01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:49,560 paranoid about everything. And he knew that his own family, 1471 01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:52,200 the only reason his family didn't get him or a reason his 1472 01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:56,240 family didn't get him was because he was worried about 1473 01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:57,760 that. And so he kept his son, 1474 01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:00,640 Dionysius the Younger. He kept him cloistered. 1475 01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:04,040 He wouldn't let him like out to do things. 1476 01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:07,280 He would kept him locked down, which isn't good for the guy 1477 01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:08,520 who's going to take over after you. 1478 01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:10,160 Like this guy wasn't out there learning. 1479 01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:11,600 He doesn't know how the city works. 1480 01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:17,320 So yeah, now Dionysius the Elder had a. 1481 01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:20,040 Brother-in-law named Dion, who was his most trusted advisor. 1482 01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:26,160 And Dion was a real like, I'm a firebrand, like a real guy who 1483 01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:28,040 had. Big hopes for making Syracuse 1484 01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:31,840 into a great city of democracy and and center of Greek 1485 01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:33,320 learning. And that didn't really work out. 1486 01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:37,400 We'll come back because Dion is still around despite Dion and 1487 01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:40,000 Dionysius not getting along anymore in terms of their 1488 01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,920 political vision. Dion was not killed or anything. 1489 01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:46,320 And well, Dionysius might regret that. 1490 01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:49,760 So we'll come back to Dion. But I will point out that Dion 1491 01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:53,200 was a lover of Plato. They were probably lovers. 1492 01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:58,000 It's it's not 100% certain. Plato also had high hopes for 1493 01:12:58,000 --> 01:12:59,600 the city of Syracuse and had gone there. 1494 01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:02,200 And of course I pointed out Dionysius threw him in jail or 1495 01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:05,560 threw him in the not jail, but the send him to the quarries as 1496 01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:09,840 a slave for a while. So yeah, anyway, so this is this 1497 01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:11,680 guy's been. Around like he's been doing 1498 01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:15,160 stuff, but he's mostly been work working in his own region, which 1499 01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:17,640 just overlaps with the region we're talking about, even though 1500 01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:19,280 he's fully greased. So, yeah, Jason. 1501 01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:22,880 Probably learned from him by watching his rise and doing some 1502 01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:24,480 of the things he did. Now here's but he's going to 1503 01:13:24,480 --> 01:13:27,960 start getting a little more involved as he's more powerful 1504 01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:29,520 and his sphere of influence grows. 1505 01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:32,560 Something I mentioned, I think it was last episode, maybe it 1506 01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:35,480 was 2 episodes ago, is that he teamed up with the Illyrian king 1507 01:13:35,480 --> 01:13:39,120 Bardillos, the coal miner king. The guy that formed a Kingdom. 1508 01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:40,680 He had been a coal miner. Literally. 1509 01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:43,720 It's like something out of the Faceless men's mines in Valyria. 1510 01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:46,000 This guy becomes a king from the mines. 1511 01:13:46,480 --> 01:13:50,640 He and Dionysius teamed up to try to loot the Temple of 1512 01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,880 Delphi. That was a little while ago, but 1513 01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:57,120 in between now and then, remember, Delphi has a crazy 1514 01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:59,560 amount of wealth. And well, actually let me give 1515 01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:01,680 you a a little brief moment on that. 1516 01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:04,520 The wealth at Delphi is like this bizarre game of chicken. 1517 01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:08,000 And what I mean by that is it's so much money. 1518 01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:11,760 There's literal Kingdom building amounts of money stored. 1519 01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:15,840 They're given to the gods. There's 10s of thousands of. 1520 01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,120 Talents stored at Delphi at this time. 1521 01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:19,800 Do you remember how much a talent is? 1522 01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:22,480 I I told you a while back, I don't blame you if you forgot. 1523 01:14:22,480 --> 01:14:29,040 It's 57 lbs or 26 kilograms of gold or silver. 57 lbs of silver 1524 01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:32,320 or gold. One talent. 10s of thousands of 1525 01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:36,280 talents of gold and silver sitting there unguarded because 1526 01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:38,120 who would steal from the gods? Oh yeah? 1527 01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:42,520 So something like well over a half, 1,000,000 lbs of gold and 1528 01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:46,400 silver, probably 1,000,000 lbs of gold and silver there just 1529 01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:48,560 sitting there. And some of that stuff was it's 1530 01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:51,160 such as blocks, such as ingots, it's such as coins. 1531 01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:54,480 You got things like like artifacts, like the crown worn 1532 01:14:54,480 --> 01:14:56,800 by some king. You got like Olympic laurels, 1533 01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:00,760 you got statues of Zeus. You've got things believed to 1534 01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:05,640 have curses or, or magical powers, like jewelry worn by 1535 01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:09,560 Paris, jewelry worn by Agamemnon. 1536 01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:14,000 I mean the crazy wealthy valuable stuff that only the 1537 01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:17,360 gods are protecting. So you can see why someone like 1538 01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:19,640 Dionysius and Bardellus would be like, let's just take that. 1539 01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:24,240 But Sparta, remember Sparta just allow us and other people teamed 1540 01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:26,440 up to stop that. Like Nope, do not do that. 1541 01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:29,440 Well, let's remember what happened in the last episode. 1542 01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:32,040 There was an earthquake. There was an Atlantis like event 1543 01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:39,040 where that city sank and Delphi was also damaged by either the 1544 01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:41,280 same, I forget if it was the same earthquake or a different 1545 01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:43,800 or a related one. Delphi was destroyed and it's 1546 01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:45,440 not going to be rebuilt for a long time. 1547 01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:49,080 So it's also kind of damaged right now. 1548 01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:50,640 So it's not even in its best state. 1549 01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:54,040 So the question is what what have we been saying? 1550 01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:56,960 This blueprint that exists that Persia's followed, that 1551 01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:59,480 Dionysius has followed, that other people can quite clearly 1552 01:15:59,480 --> 01:16:02,760 see that Jason seems to be following lots of money. 1553 01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:06,200 Buy mercenaries, use those mercenaries to get more money to 1554 01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:11,120 keep paying them. Kingdom £1,000,000 of gold and 1555 01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:14,480 silver to sit in there. How sacrilegious is it exactly 1556 01:16:14,480 --> 01:16:17,760 to steal that? Would soldiers fight for a 1557 01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:20,800 sacrilegious 'cause that's the big question, isn't it? 1558 01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:23,240 Who's going to find out? Who's going to test this? 1559 01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:26,640 Who's going to take this money and try to figure that out? 1560 01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:29,800 Well, Dionysius and Bart Dallas almost did. 1561 01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:30,960 They tried and they were thwarted. 1562 01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:34,200 There's a point at which the answer becomes yes, they will 1563 01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:38,920 fight for a sacrilegious cause. And that, yes, point aligns 1564 01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:41,760 with. Well, it's the question Bron 1565 01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:44,200 asks Tyrion. Remember, Tyrion was like, would 1566 01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:47,520 you kill a child if I ordered you to do it, Bron? 1567 01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:49,280 He's like, well, the question isn't wouldn't I do it? 1568 01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:50,680 The question is, how much would you pay me? 1569 01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:52,000 I was like, if you pay me enough. 1570 01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:53,680 Yes, that's his. That was his answer. 1571 01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:55,560 He's like, there isn't an amount that you could pay me. 1572 01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:57,160 He's like, it won't would not be cheap. 1573 01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:00,080 Have me kill an adult. That's cheaper. 1574 01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:02,960 Kill a baby. Yeah, I'll do it. 1575 01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:05,040 I'll do it. And then Tyrion's like, what 1576 01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:06,800 kind of man do I have in my employee here? 1577 01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:08,840 He's like, well, you just found out, Tyrion. 1578 01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:11,160 So yes, that's what we're dealing with here. 1579 01:17:11,480 --> 01:17:14,120 It's just a matter of that's why I called it a game of chickens. 1580 01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:16,320 Someone is going to break and be like. 1581 01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:19,600 I got to do it. I'm going to take this money and 1582 01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:20,880 it's either going to work or it's not. 1583 01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:22,240 Who's going to do it? Who's? 1584 01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:25,080 Going to do it Well let's. Let's get let's move a little 1585 01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:28,320 farther here, Hippocrates of costs, before we move on. 1586 01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:30,680 The father of medicine himself, he died this year. 1587 01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:34,720 He was a great man. He did his best to separate 1588 01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:36,640 religion and superstition from medicine. 1589 01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:40,360 I just, he, he wanted to focus on prognosis data, not on 1590 01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:43,440 beliefs. Right now, if you're curious, 1591 01:17:43,440 --> 01:17:47,440 cost is about 4:00 on the Aegean clock that I pointed out before. 1592 01:17:47,440 --> 01:17:50,120 It's near Rhodes, the island of Rhodes. 1593 01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:55,120 Not, you know, Rhodes. So important guy, father of 1594 01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:57,000 medicine, but a lot of confusion around him because there was a 1595 01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:01,840 lot of Hippocrates is very traditional for your grandson to 1596 01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:04,040 be named after you. So there were. 1597 01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:08,440 He came from a tradition of doctors, so some of his deeds 1598 01:18:08,440 --> 01:18:10,200 may have been actually the deeds of. 1599 01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:13,520 His grandson or his grandfather or his great great grandfather, 1600 01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:15,200 But either. Way. 1601 01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:18,000 Two thumbs up, Hippocrates, Father of medicine. 1602 01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:24,880 Shay and I will be attending the Mad King play in the UK the 1603 01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:27,440 weekend of it. We are going August 14th and 1604 01:18:27,440 --> 01:18:30,360 15th, is that right? Yeah, we are going both the 14th 1605 01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:32,280 and the 15th. We're going to see it down in 1606 01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:35,800 the stalls, like the same level as the stage, and then up in the 1607 01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:39,800 circle so we can get kind of a view from a little bit further, 1608 01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:41,840 which we thought would be nice if we're making that trip all 1609 01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:44,280 the way there, might as well see it a few times. 1610 01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:47,440 But yeah. So we will be there the week of 1611 01:18:47,440 --> 01:18:52,040 August 14th, 15th, our days. We aren't set yet, but you know, 1612 01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:57,320 to our UK fans, to our fans who live near Birmingham, who live 1613 01:18:57,320 --> 01:19:00,800 in London, because we will spend time in London, hit us up. 1614 01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:05,240 Yeah, this somewhat replaces the trip we had been talking about 1615 01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:09,760 planning a group trip last year to go to the UK or Ireland. 1616 01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:13,320 We we'll still do something like that a different year, but this 1617 01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:16,640 came up and we just can't do 2 Europe trips in one year like 1618 01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:19,560 that. So we can't afford that. 1619 01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:21,680 But we will have another opportunity or other 1620 01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:24,880 opportunities to visit filming locations or the Game of 1621 01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:27,800 Thrones. Spot in Belfast, so those of you 1622 01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:30,840 who had been curious about that. This has taken its place for 1623 01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:33,840 now, but we will of course be making future announcements when 1624 01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:36,800 we have other trips planned. Hopefully some of y'all can join 1625 01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:41,960 us in the UK for this. So as I told you, let's go to 1626 01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:44,280 Cecily. Jason has his theben wife and 1627 01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:46,480 his daughter named Phoebe. And I told I told you a little 1628 01:19:46,480 --> 01:19:48,520 while ago, we need to Start learning a little more about 1629 01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:52,240 these big players families because, well, this is the 1630 01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:53,760 direction things are heading. If you're establishing a 1631 01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:56,720 dynasty, we got to know what sort of family culture is here. 1632 01:19:57,240 --> 01:19:58,880 Are they with him? Are they against him? 1633 01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:01,000 What's the what's the situation? What's the deal yo? 1634 01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:04,520 He's still relatively young. He's got his daughter Phoebe and 1635 01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:08,280 he had three sons to Sophonis look like a Fran and Paithalaus. 1636 01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:10,520 Now they're all pretty young at this point. 1637 01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:13,760 They're not doing anything. He had two brothers named Polly, 1638 01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:18,640 Doris and Pollyfron. There was also an older son of 1639 01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:23,000 Polly Doris named Alexander. So Jason's nephew Alexander, he 1640 01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:24,720 was an adult as well and significant. 1641 01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:29,080 So none of these family members of his are really like. 1642 01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:32,520 Him other than, you know, they like money is a it's a rich 1643 01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:35,040 family, very wealthy family. Phoebe actually is. 1644 01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:37,440 We're going to see in the long run is probably the bravest of 1645 01:20:37,440 --> 01:20:39,120 the group. Besides maybe Jason himself, 1646 01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:42,120 we'll see. So the Pytheon games were coming 1647 01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:44,520 up. The Pytheon games happen in the 1648 01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:49,000 summer like August, September. So we're they would be happening 1649 01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:53,080 roughly a year after Lutra. So because Lutra was July of 1650 01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:56,680 371, so the Pytheon games were scheduled for August, September 1651 01:20:56,680 --> 01:20:59,800 of 370. So Jason is doing all this talk 1652 01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:02,400 about how he's going to preside over the games, how he's going 1653 01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:05,160 to show up and be a leadership figure. 1654 01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:07,600 He puts it out that he's going to be offering sacrifice. 1655 01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:10,000 He's going to be leading sacrifices at the games, which 1656 01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:11,680 is a big deal. It's cost a lot of money. 1657 01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:14,800 That's what heads of state do. This, this, this, this is head 1658 01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:17,320 priest stuff. So he's basically nominating 1659 01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:18,600 himself as a head, head of state. 1660 01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:21,360 He is a head of state, but he's inserting himself into it 1661 01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:22,920 regardless. Because he wasn't officially 1662 01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:24,880 invited, no one's going to say no to him. 1663 01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:28,600 But he takes the step further. He says, hey, everybody, whoever 1664 01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:32,440 brings the best sacrificial bull, whichever city, you all 1665 01:21:32,440 --> 01:21:34,320 have some friendly competition amongst each other. 1666 01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:36,840 Whoever brings the best sacrificial bull, I'm giving 1667 01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:39,480 that city a golden crown. You can take that golden crown. 1668 01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:42,520 Put it in your city center. Take pride in that. 1669 01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:45,240 Once again, he's just putting himself at the top, saying, hey, 1670 01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:48,960 I'm going to give you rewards for doing stuff that I dictate. 1671 01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:52,920 But the rumor starts that he's not just going to preside over 1672 01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:54,960 Delphi. He's going to take that 1673 01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:56,920 treasure. There's all that loot we just 1674 01:21:56,920 --> 01:21:59,160 talked about. Why would wouldn't he do that? 1675 01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:03,320 Doesn't it make sense? Like this is a guy that has held 1676 01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:08,440 fake sacrifices before. He stole his his mother's 1677 01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:11,720 servants and made her pay ransom to get them back. 1678 01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:14,400 This guy has done maneuvers. Before. 1679 01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:19,360 This is a scammer, right? He can scam, but still, seizing 1680 01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:23,760 the Temple of Delphi's treasures would be audacious. 1681 01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:25,880 No one's done that. So it's unthinkable. 1682 01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:28,920 But people are thinking about it like they're thinking through 1683 01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:30,240 the unthinkable. So maybe it's not so 1684 01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:33,040 unthinkable. The Pytheon games, in case I 1685 01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:35,840 wasn't clear, take place right here at the Temple of Delphi. 1686 01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:37,880 Like, they're right next to each other, are they? 1687 01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:39,280 Like, is he really going to do that? 1688 01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:41,800 Could he do that? Like, just by himself? 1689 01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:43,920 You know, like, you need an army to do that. 1690 01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:46,200 Like, you can't just walk down here with like, your squad and 1691 01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:50,800 carry off 1,000,000 lbs of gold. And so like, the logistics alone 1692 01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:53,640 come on. But he did destroy the defenses 1693 01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:56,800 of Thermopylae. So maybe he's going to bring an 1694 01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:58,400 army. Maybe like, why would he do that 1695 01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:00,840 unless he wanted to make sure he could get back into Greece? 1696 01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:03,400 So there's a lot of evidence that he was going to do 1697 01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:06,840 something, right? Maybe it was maybe it was the 1698 01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:08,880 money. Like that's an obvious target, 1699 01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:10,640 right? This is a guy who needs money. 1700 01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:14,440 He's got to pay his mercenaries. And he's done things like this 1701 01:23:14,440 --> 01:23:17,200 before on a smaller scale. And we just got, I just got to 1702 01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:19,600 tell you just how absurd the amount of welfare is. 1703 01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:23,280 So the idea was out there, people are thinking about the 1704 01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:25,920 unthinkable. And Dionysus had tried for it. 1705 01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:28,360 So it was even less unthinkable because, you know, we had two 1706 01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:30,000 other kings from outside trying to do it. 1707 01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:34,680 This is like the remember, we're in, we're in Westeros, 100 1708 01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:37,400 kingdoms, period, right? Stealing this amount of money, 1709 01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:39,720 this would be enough to change the fortunes. 1710 01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:42,520 Of of Westeros, let alone a single city state. 1711 01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:45,520 Like the amount of money it's. Just really weird to imagine 1712 01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:47,040 that This is Money is just sitting there. 1713 01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:51,440 But it was, it really was. It makes this era very unique. 1714 01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:54,440 The the level of superstition and belief in the gods is 1715 01:23:54,440 --> 01:23:56,400 something that's a little hard to fathom for so many. 1716 01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:58,120 People like you. We've all run into people. 1717 01:23:58,120 --> 01:24:02,920 That have that kind of sincere belief, but to have so many. 1718 01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:05,840 People think that way. That's I don't know. 1719 01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:09,600 I don't see that very much. So the threat was apparently 1720 01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:15,120 enough out there, imagined or not, that the temple priests 1721 01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:17,200 were like they They went for a reading. 1722 01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:22,160 They went for a. Hey temple priestess, what do we 1723 01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:25,800 do about this? And the answer they received 1724 01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:27,800 was. Apollo can take care of himself, 1725 01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:28,480 said. All right then. 1726 01:24:28,480 --> 01:24:29,640 All right. We won't worry about it too 1727 01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:32,760 much. However, there was definite 1728 01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:35,280 confirmation that he was bringing some kind of army. 1729 01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:37,480 Maybe not a big one, maybe it was about the same size as that 1730 01:24:37,480 --> 01:24:40,000 last one, but that made people even more nervous. 1731 01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:41,960 Something was coming. He destroyed the Thermopylae 1732 01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:43,760 defenses. He's putting himself in the 1733 01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,280 center. He's talking about being first 1734 01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:48,160 man in Greece. Other people are talking about 1735 01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:53,120 him being first man in Greece. He had been throwing lots of 1736 01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:55,320 parades and military demonstrations because that's 1737 01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:57,600 what military dictatorships do. You demonstrate your power, you 1738 01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:00,880 March in front of people and over all of them with your 1739 01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:02,200 strength. You say, look what I got here. 1740 01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:03,760 Look at all these horses. Look at all these men. 1741 01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:06,520 Look at all their fancy gear. Look at their look how straight 1742 01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:08,720 their Spears are. Look how shiny their swords are. 1743 01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:10,960 You don't want to fight that. I want to throw right in your 1744 01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:12,400 face so you know what you're up against. 1745 01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:16,320 The nobility of Thessaly are shown this over and over. 1746 01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:18,960 He throws these demonstrations. The people line up and watch, 1747 01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:20,120 but it's really for the nobility. 1748 01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:21,320 It's really for the people that can. 1749 01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:24,240 That are a threat. To him, people, he wants to be 1750 01:25:24,480 --> 01:25:29,640 cowed, so he does it a lot to, you know, drive the point home 1751 01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:33,080 and to remind them of how strong he is and to let word spread. 1752 01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:35,680 So they sit there. These families have to watch him 1753 01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:37,400 demonstrate and he hears petitions. 1754 01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:39,160 He's not a king. He doesn't have the title king. 1755 01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:42,600 It's Tagus first, you know, first military officer, 1756 01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:45,320 commander in chief of Thessaly, right? 1757 01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:48,760 Even back then they were very diplomatic about the titles. 1758 01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:51,240 The word king isn't something you do lightly, especially in 1759 01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:53,440 Greece that hate where a place that hates kings. 1760 01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:56,800 So one of these demonstrations, one of these petitions he's 1761 01:25:56,800 --> 01:26:01,160 hearing petitions what the parade is happening etcetera. 7 1762 01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:03,720 younger nobles are start fighting. 1763 01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:05,800 It's kind of strange. Or why are these guys fighting, 1764 01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:07,400 you know? Like nobles are bored. 1765 01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:09,400 What's this parade they have to sit through? 1766 01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:11,720 It wasn't clear why they were. Fighting. 1767 01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:16,560 Before anyone could discern what the deal was, one of them 1768 01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:20,200 shouted out a word, a signal word, and they all stopped 1769 01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:23,520 fighting and attacked. But Jason's bodyguard were 1770 01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:25,840 ready. They're always ready. 1771 01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:28,480 Even though, you know, this kind of thing happens a lot in terms 1772 01:26:28,480 --> 01:26:30,360 of these parades and standing around and all that. 1773 01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:32,960 Well, the bodyguards were not enough. 1774 01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:36,360 Jason's prowess was not enough. The assassins got him. 1775 01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:38,880 They killed 2 of the bodyguards, but Jason was killed. 1776 01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:42,560 I just got through telling you the whole world changed because 1777 01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:44,680 of the Battle of Lutra. Then this happens. 1778 01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:47,880 The one guy perhaps poised most to take advantage of it all. 1779 01:26:48,440 --> 01:26:51,680 Now he's gone too. If you thought Thebes and Sparta 1780 01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:55,440 created a power vacuum, we haven't even gotten to that yet 1781 01:26:55,440 --> 01:26:58,960 because it's just happened. Now we have another power vacuum 1782 01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:02,080 on the northern border by someone who amassed more power 1783 01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:05,160 than either Thebes or Sparta had on their own. 1784 01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:09,440 But this isn't some state military that just passes to the 1785 01:27:09,440 --> 01:27:11,360 next leader, necessarily. These are mercenaries. 1786 01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:14,600 Who's going to hire them? Who's going to pay for them? 1787 01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:18,800 Will it be the next the Thesalian leader to take over? 1788 01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:23,080 Will it be somebody else? This is a big power vacuum. 1789 01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:24,840 Persia might have been happy about it. 1790 01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:26,520 They're like, well, maybe we'll hire these guys. 1791 01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:30,240 Maybe Persia did it. Maybe Persia paid these guys. 1792 01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:32,680 Maybe they were in on it because this guy's talking about 1793 01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:35,840 invading. Persia, right the the the motive 1794 01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:38,400 is very straightforward there. So they might have even been 1795 01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:39,920 culprits, they might have even been involved. 1796 01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:43,680 The thing is, we don't know. It's a little bit unsatisfying, 1797 01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:45,720 isn't it? We do not know who killed Jason. 1798 01:27:46,440 --> 01:27:48,680 Five of the the the five survivors. 1799 01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:51,920 We are told that they may have done it for fame. 1800 01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:54,400 Probably not probably not. You don't take that risk just 1801 01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:55,640 for fame. Maybe you will. 1802 01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:59,720 I mean tyrant slayers in ancient Greece were genuinely seen as 1803 01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:02,400 heroes often. But we don't know these guys 1804 01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:06,640 names so I don't think they gain that much fame from it. 1805 01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:08,040 Like we literally don't have their names. 1806 01:28:08,040 --> 01:28:12,720 Not one of them and he, but they were apparently treated very. 1807 01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:16,040 Well across Thessaly like they would go into they wouldn't pay 1808 01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:18,400 for their own drinks. People like them. 1809 01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:22,040 So this goes to show you that. Maybe Jason's hold on power 1810 01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:24,640 wasn't as strong as we thought. Maybe he, maybe some as many 1811 01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:27,000 people weren't as bought in as we might have thought. 1812 01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:29,240 It was just he was just so effective at what he did. 1813 01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:32,080 He his rise to power was so well executed. 1814 01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:36,320 His strategy was so top notch. Except for this part. 1815 01:28:37,480 --> 01:28:39,480 There's always that the sword of Damocles right? 1816 01:28:39,480 --> 01:28:42,320 It's it's a perfect demonstration of what Dionysius 1817 01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:44,600 was talking about. He managed to avoid that at 1818 01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:47,560 least to this point. He's 62 for all for all you all 1819 01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:49,000 know, unless you know the history already. 1820 01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:53,080 He gets stabbed tomorrow, but Dionysius outlived Jason and 1821 01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:55,120 freaking Artaxerxes is still alive too. 1822 01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:57,120 This guy's in his 70s. It just allows us as well. 1823 01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:59,920 But this young man, this up and Comer Nope gone. 1824 01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:04,240 So the fact that these murderers, these assassins were 1825 01:29:04,240 --> 01:29:07,280 genuinely. Generally slash well received 1826 01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:10,120 yet not popularized is a little odd. 1827 01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:11,680 Right. It it seems like if they were 1828 01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:17,080 celebrated, we'd know them, but apparently they were treated 1829 01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:19,280 well. So yeah, it kind of does speak 1830 01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:23,840 to they were agents. They weren't the ones who came 1831 01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:24,800 up. They were paid. 1832 01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:29,920 They were offered something. I mean, it wouldn't be the first 1833 01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:32,920 time a bunch of 20 somethings did something to change 1834 01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:37,480 politics, but considering what went what followed up it, it's a 1835 01:29:37,480 --> 01:29:41,040 little suspicious that I think there was something behind them. 1836 01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:45,640 We just don't know who it is. So if if Thessaly thought 1837 01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:49,800 getting rid of Jason would help the country as a whole, well, 1838 01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:53,000 they if you're. Thinking they're wrong, then 1839 01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:54,520 you. Are thinking correctly. 1840 01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:57,440 Let's find out together more specifically, however, what's 1841 01:29:57,440 --> 01:29:59,600 going to happen next. Let's go to their neighbor, 1842 01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:02,920 however, their neighbor, Macedonia. 1843 01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:05,920 Macedonia was growing. They were growing as well. 1844 01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:07,680 I told you a lot of these kingdoms of the north were 1845 01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:10,640 growing in part because they were emerging from tribal status 1846 01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:15,560 to Kingdom slash monarchy slash dynasty slash noble houses type 1847 01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:18,080 stuff. And this country in particular 1848 01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:22,920 was rising because it was doing a good job of at last making use 1849 01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:25,480 of its natural resources, had a lot of great natural resources. 1850 01:30:25,480 --> 01:30:29,160 That it just wasn't using to stuck in its. 1851 01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:31,440 Endless cycles of violence, I suppose. 1852 01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:34,240 Remember the guy that we've had in charge here for a while was 1853 01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:38,680 Amintas the Third. He in particular was the one 1854 01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:42,400 making the timber profits that we were Speaking of, that Jason 1855 01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:45,960 might try to take over or at least abscond with one way or 1856 01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:48,080 another, either through conquest or just trade deals. 1857 01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:52,760 So Amintas was making lots of money selling timber to Athens, 1858 01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:57,040 using that money to upgrade his military, upgrade his defenses 1859 01:30:57,720 --> 01:30:59,120 and doing other stuff. Right. 1860 01:30:59,960 --> 01:31:04,680 Now their leadership wasn't exactly Jason Efirai level. 1861 01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:08,920 He wasn't some Paula Tradies type charismatic leader, but he 1862 01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:13,040 was unusually successful for Macedonia because most 1863 01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:15,640 Macedonian kings died the way Jason Efirai did. 1864 01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:19,560 They were assassinated, King Amontos, he died as well this 1865 01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:22,200 same year. I told you this was a Storm of 1866 01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:26,160 Swords. He died at age 50, but it wasn't 1867 01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:29,840 murder as far as we know. He just died regular old, died 1868 01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:32,160 of unnatural causes which is now. 1869 01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:34,800 You would have guessed he was murdered because most Macedonian 1870 01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:38,240 kings get murdered and based on what happened after his death it 1871 01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:41,880 seemed like a murder but to the way people reacted. 1872 01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:44,680 But we're told him anyways. Sort of. 1873 01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:48,440 Damocles was just as present over him and it just picked an 1874 01:31:48,440 --> 01:31:53,760 odd time to strike now. He may have even helped avoid 1875 01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:56,760 his fate earlier. He may have been invaded by an 1876 01:31:56,760 --> 01:31:58,520 outside power. Maybe Jason would have come for 1877 01:31:58,520 --> 01:31:59,440 him. Maybe someone else would have 1878 01:31:59,440 --> 01:32:03,680 come for him if not for his timber profiteering because that 1879 01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:06,120 wealth made his country stronger and may have forestalled some 1880 01:32:06,120 --> 01:32:08,680 sort of outside invasion. I told you that he didn't get 1881 01:32:08,680 --> 01:32:12,040 assassinated by his wife. You're you're Idiki did try. 1882 01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:16,440 That was an episode or two ago. The plot was foiled and he 1883 01:32:16,440 --> 01:32:18,040 spared her because they had kids together. 1884 01:32:18,040 --> 01:32:21,320 He didn't want to kill his kids mother so he just apparently was 1885 01:32:21,320 --> 01:32:23,720 just kept away from her. He had multiple wives so. 1886 01:32:24,280 --> 01:32:26,320 You know, he just, he didn't go celibate or anything. 1887 01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:30,760 But he died as we sat here at age 50. 1888 01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:34,080 And his children, his oldest son, one of the kids with. 1889 01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:37,800 Yuridici became Alexander, the second king of Macedonia. 1890 01:32:38,480 --> 01:32:42,760 Meanwhile, Yuridici began a liaison with one of the top 1891 01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:47,320 officials at court, a certain Ptolemy of Alaros, who had been 1892 01:32:47,320 --> 01:32:50,640 the chief envoy to Athens, The chief ambassador to Athens. 1893 01:32:51,160 --> 01:32:53,560 He himself was descended from Macedonian royalty. 1894 01:32:54,040 --> 01:32:57,880 So this is quite a dramatic set up here. 1895 01:32:57,880 --> 01:33:03,280 We've got an envoy, top power, big player Guy Ptolemy, who's 1896 01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:04,600 now back. He's not in Athens anymore. 1897 01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:07,640 He's back in in Macedonia doing his thing there. 1898 01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:12,160 He starts a relationship with the queen, the queen Dowager, 1899 01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:15,400 and there's a new young Alexander the Second as king. 1900 01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:18,040 Now he immediately faces a challenge. 1901 01:33:18,160 --> 01:33:20,760 He's already got challenges around him because Vasily is his 1902 01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:22,920 neighbor, and who knows what's going to happen next there. 1903 01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:26,120 And he's got Persia far to the east. 1904 01:33:26,120 --> 01:33:28,440 He's got, you know, Athens and Sparta. 1905 01:33:28,440 --> 01:33:31,560 And thieves aren't his direct neighbors, but they're certainly 1906 01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:34,880 involved. And now he's got a challenger. 1907 01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:38,240 The second he gets the throne, this guy named Passenius pops 1908 01:33:38,240 --> 01:33:41,080 up, Passenius the pretender. And he's coming from the West. 1909 01:33:41,080 --> 01:33:43,080 He's trying to get the Macedonian throne. 1910 01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:47,440 It's chaos in Macedonia. So we got potential chaos in 1911 01:33:47,440 --> 01:33:54,040 Thessaly, definite chaos in Macedonia, and we still have the 1912 01:33:54,040 --> 01:33:57,400 very dangerous King Bardillos of Illyria, who's not actually 1913 01:33:57,400 --> 01:33:59,800 doing anything right this minute that we need to talk about, but 1914 01:33:59,800 --> 01:34:01,680 he's there, he's dangerous, he's someone to consider. 1915 01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:06,560 And we have the Thracian king Kautis the first, whose daughter 1916 01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:08,360 married if thicker Tees, the innovator. 1917 01:34:08,360 --> 01:34:11,240 So, so many entanglements. Who's next? 1918 01:34:11,240 --> 01:34:13,160 What's going on? Like how is everybody else going 1919 01:34:13,160 --> 01:34:15,760 to react? Who even we who's the big player 1920 01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:19,000 we haven't talked about yet that's hanging over all of this? 1921 01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:21,440 The Sword of Damocles, of nations. 1922 01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:23,320 Well, that would be Persia, of course. 1923 01:34:23,480 --> 01:34:27,560 What's going on there? This is a nation that was going 1924 01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:30,080 through all the things Greece is going through 200 years before 1925 01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:33,840 when they were a bunch of city states forming into an empire. 1926 01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:36,400 Well, or at least a bigger Kingdom. 1927 01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:38,120 They're like, look at. These children look at these 1928 01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:41,880 sweet summer children with their city States and their 1929 01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:44,480 democracies. Well, Persia never had 1930 01:34:44,480 --> 01:34:46,760 democracies. They just they just saw that as 1931 01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:51,960 another growing pain towards an eventual Kingdom because that's 1932 01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:54,040 how they thought. They thought that they're more 1933 01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:55,640 of an end state. This is where you go. 1934 01:34:55,640 --> 01:34:58,080 We're the more advanced version. We're more civilized, surely. 1935 01:34:58,520 --> 01:35:01,240 So while some northern Greek regions returning into kingdoms, 1936 01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:04,360 Persia had was old hat at this sort of thing, they. 1937 01:35:04,440 --> 01:35:08,880 They're busy conquering old places and making them their. 1938 01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:11,400 Old crown, old hat, old crown, old deodem. 1939 01:35:11,440 --> 01:35:16,080 Yeah, but empires and city states alike, size doesn't 1940 01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:19,840 matter when it talk, when when you look at what it the biggest 1941 01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:22,240 internal threats are. Internal struggles happen 1942 01:35:22,240 --> 01:35:24,600 whether you're a city state or the biggest empire ever. 1943 01:35:25,160 --> 01:35:29,040 In fact, arguably the bigger the more likely that sort of thing 1944 01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:33,000 is, whether it's within the ruling family or a similarly 1945 01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:34,840 powerful family close to the top. 1946 01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:40,600 So let's remember the character Kira Bazis he had a great career 1947 01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:43,200 under Artizerxes. He earned the hand of a Princess 1948 01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:45,080 in marriage 1 of Artizerxes daughter. 1949 01:35:45,200 --> 01:35:47,880 But then Artizerxes said Nope actually I want to marry her 1950 01:35:47,880 --> 01:35:50,560 myself. Then he said OK but chill man 1951 01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:53,600 let me give you a different daughter of my of of from my 1952 01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:58,440 wife and I mother the main queen of a true born daughter both 1953 01:35:58,440 --> 01:36:01,760 royalty royal on both sides. You know not a daughter or one 1954 01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:03,800 of my comments. I'll give this daughter to you. 1955 01:36:04,640 --> 01:36:06,760 Oh well, that's cool. That makes up for everything. 1956 01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:08,760 Thank you. Actually, no, I'm taking her. 1957 01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:10,560 We've been through this. So that's that's a recap. 1958 01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:14,200 He took he offered two different of his daughters to her to to 1959 01:36:14,200 --> 01:36:17,080 her. Baz's reneged on both counts and 1960 01:36:17,080 --> 01:36:20,080 married them himself. His mother encouraged that to 1961 01:36:20,200 --> 01:36:23,120 push the limits of powers like look, I'm above thing. 1962 01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:25,080 It's one of the things that people in power do to prove how 1963 01:36:25,080 --> 01:36:26,960 powerful they are. When you're at the top, you you 1964 01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:29,680 go further by. Proving you can do things, no. 1965 01:36:29,680 --> 01:36:31,160 One else can do. I'm the exception. 1966 01:36:31,160 --> 01:36:33,240 Rich people in the real world do this all the time. 1967 01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:35,320 How many rich people in the real world think they're above the 1968 01:36:35,320 --> 01:36:37,760 law? They think they can do things 1969 01:36:38,040 --> 01:36:41,920 that are completely unacceptable to the rest of us, yet they do 1970 01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:44,200 it anyway because they know they can get away with it. 1971 01:36:44,200 --> 01:36:46,600 They know that. The the the hand of justice will 1972 01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:48,520 not touch them, or if it. Does it will just tap them 1973 01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:51,840 lightly on the wrist and go hey, don't do that at most right. 1974 01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:54,760 So Artiserx, he's gotten away with all this. 1975 01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:59,760 Remember then as well. He offered his concubine Aspasia 1976 01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:02,800 his favorite. He had her for so long and he 1977 01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:08,200 and he nominated his heir, his oldest son Derias to be air and 1978 01:37:08,200 --> 01:37:11,840 Derias using the Carthene marriage custom that Persia. 1979 01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:14,080 Had at the time. Which was you get to ask your 1980 01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:15,880 dad for anything when he names you air. 1981 01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:19,960 He asked for Aspasia if you recall and Artaxerxes was like 1982 01:37:19,960 --> 01:37:23,040 ah damn I don't I don't like that at all but it's the law. 1983 01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:28,360 But wait, Aspasia, you pick. She picked Dorias because he's 1984 01:37:28,360 --> 01:37:30,680 the next king, so she wants to get in good graces with the next 1985 01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:32,160 king. But Artuzerxes was still in 1986 01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:34,800 power, and what did he do? If you recall, he sent her off 1987 01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:39,960 to be a sexless priestess who couldn't live, couldn't sleep 1988 01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:41,320 with anyone, unless he was around, of course. 1989 01:37:41,320 --> 01:37:43,760 Because of course, again, Artuzerxes is above all the 1990 01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:47,440 rules, even his own rules. So what I told you is that 1991 01:37:47,440 --> 01:37:49,800 Dorias and Terra Bazis got together and started plotting 1992 01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:51,240 last time. Here's where he picked that up. 1993 01:37:51,560 --> 01:37:56,320 It wasn't just a plot, it was kill Artuzerxes and since Darius 1994 01:37:56,320 --> 01:37:58,520 was next in line he could get away with it right? 1995 01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:00,440 If he kills his father, he can then forgive himself. 1996 01:38:00,440 --> 01:38:03,160 He can forgive Tirabazos because he's the guy in charge now. 1997 01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:04,840 So. Seems like a good plan, right? 1998 01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:07,240 But. These guys aren't very good at 1999 01:38:07,240 --> 01:38:09,440 what they're doing. These aren't experienced 2000 01:38:09,440 --> 01:38:11,480 plotters. These aren't people who have a 2001 01:38:11,480 --> 01:38:14,760 lot of military experience. Tirabazos did, but Darius 2002 01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:17,600 didn't. Once again, as it had in 2003 01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:22,040 previous Persian intrigues, things hinged on a eunuch. 2004 01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:25,320 I don't know the name of the eunuch this time. 2005 01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:29,720 It's like what Ario Hotas said, though to to Arianne when 2006 01:38:29,720 --> 01:38:32,400 everything went haywire. She's like, how did I was so 2007 01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:34,600 careful? And Ario said somebody told, 2008 01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:37,520 someone always tells. In this case, it was this 2009 01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:40,880 nameless eunuch who told guards came to arrest Tira Bazis. 2010 01:38:41,080 --> 01:38:45,440 But Tira Bazis made like the Sergeant who was caught 2011 01:38:45,440 --> 01:38:48,600 cannibalizing in Santa's army. Rather than be burned to death, 2012 01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:51,480 he provoked them to kill him first. 2013 01:38:51,680 --> 01:38:54,440 He attacked the guards that came for him and they killed him. 2014 01:38:54,920 --> 01:38:57,440 I was probably smart because. We've saw some of the horrible, 2015 01:38:57,440 --> 01:39:00,320 horrible methods of death that Persia used on people. 2016 01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:02,920 That were treasonous. And Terra Bazzas was very much 2017 01:39:02,920 --> 01:39:05,160 afraid of that. Happening to himself, probably. 2018 01:39:05,160 --> 01:39:08,360 Smart move, Darius. Well, he, Darius didn't really 2019 01:39:08,360 --> 01:39:11,520 have to fear that sort of killing because he was royal, 2020 01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:16,480 but he begged for clemency. And anyway, he begged for the an 2021 01:39:16,480 --> 01:39:21,680 easy death, which he got. He was given an easy death, a 2022 01:39:21,680 --> 01:39:23,960 simple beheading. In some version of the story, 2023 01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:26,880 Artaxerxes did the deed himself and others. 2024 01:39:26,920 --> 01:39:29,920 He had to almost threaten the executioner because it's just so 2025 01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:31,960 unthinkable to kill a Prince of the blood. 2026 01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:34,240 They're, they're, it's just drilled into them that these are 2027 01:39:34,240 --> 01:39:36,040 not normal people. They're not even really people. 2028 01:39:36,040 --> 01:39:37,760 They're gods come to live among us. 2029 01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:40,240 They're chosen by the gods. There's some other species. 2030 01:39:40,240 --> 01:39:43,160 They're not people. You don't touch them, everything 2031 01:39:43,160 --> 01:39:45,960 they want is law. So killing someone like that is 2032 01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:48,360 a big reversal, even though it's your job as executioner. 2033 01:39:48,360 --> 01:39:49,560 So it was difficult for him to do that. 2034 01:39:49,880 --> 01:39:54,160 But yes, even though he wasn't tortured or treated cruelly 2035 01:39:54,160 --> 01:39:56,600 during his execution, it was ruthless. 2036 01:39:56,840 --> 01:39:59,200 His whole branch of the family was killed. 2037 01:39:59,200 --> 01:40:02,760 All of Darius's children, his wives, just about all of them as 2038 01:40:02,760 --> 01:40:05,000 well. Only a few of the really young 2039 01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:06,920 ones. There's a kid named Arbu Palace 2040 01:40:07,480 --> 01:40:10,160 who was. Left alive and he's going to 2041 01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:12,600 reappear as a commander about 35 years from now. 2042 01:40:13,240 --> 01:40:14,760 So yeah, yeah. Drives was in his 50s. 2043 01:40:14,760 --> 01:40:16,960 He had lots of kids this whole nearly his whole branch his wife 2044 01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:19,320 got including some of his half brothers, like people who he 2045 01:40:19,320 --> 01:40:22,400 didn't father them or but they were killed anyway. 2046 01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:24,320 Probably some of them were involved in the plot. 2047 01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:26,880 That's probably why. Some courtiers were as 2. 2048 01:40:27,160 --> 01:40:29,040 So the new heir, You need a new heir, right? 2049 01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:34,320 So Artaxerxes had to pick a a new guy to succeed him, and now 2050 01:40:34,320 --> 01:40:37,080 he's just the next eldest son, a guy named Ariaspes. 2051 01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:40,600 Now, what do you suppose Ariaspis's odds about living 2052 01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:43,800 Artaxerxes are? Artaxerxes seems to outlive 2053 01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:45,280 everybody. He's got to go at some point, 2054 01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:47,760 doesn't he? Well, it it wasn't today. 2055 01:40:48,120 --> 01:40:51,720 One of those daughters that Artaxerxes took back from 2056 01:40:51,720 --> 01:40:54,760 Tirabazzis before he married her and married himself was named 2057 01:40:54,760 --> 01:40:57,320 Atasa. Now Atasa was. 2058 01:40:57,360 --> 01:41:03,120 Adding to the intrigue in court drama by Yes, she's married to 2059 01:41:03,120 --> 01:41:06,840 Artaxerxes and Artaxerxes really liked her. 2060 01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:12,800 Creepy guy that he was, she was also sleeping with the next guy 2061 01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:15,520 in line. The the air. 2062 01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:18,880 The air behind Ariaspi's a guy named Akas. 2063 01:41:19,360 --> 01:41:21,400 August was second in line behind Ariaspi. 2064 01:41:21,400 --> 01:41:24,360 So she's sleeping with August and she had been pushing for 2065 01:41:24,360 --> 01:41:25,960 August before Darius was. Killed. 2066 01:41:25,960 --> 01:41:29,160 She had been pushing for August to be there when Darius was 2067 01:41:29,160 --> 01:41:31,280 still alive, so she just kept that up. 2068 01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:33,680 She's like well it should be August, not Ariaspi's. 2069 01:41:34,040 --> 01:41:37,480 Now I don't suppose our Xerxes knew that she was sleeping with 2070 01:41:37,480 --> 01:41:40,320 August because if he did, that would have caused problems 2071 01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:44,400 because he's jealous just like he was with Aspasia either. 2072 01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:47,400 Way. This was not Darius's only 2073 01:41:47,400 --> 01:41:49,840 problem. Let's not forget the last 2074 01:41:49,840 --> 01:41:53,640 episode. After six years of preparation, 2075 01:41:53,640 --> 01:41:57,680 Farnabez's finally attacked. Egypt got into all sorts of 2076 01:41:57,680 --> 01:41:59,920 arguments with Aficretes about strategy. 2077 01:41:59,920 --> 01:42:02,480 Aficretes was probably right about nearly all of it. 2078 01:42:02,840 --> 01:42:05,120 And Farnabez. 'S. 2079 01:42:05,360 --> 01:42:06,840 Attack on Egypt was a big failure. 2080 01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:14,680 The Great Satraps revolt. So yeah, Farnabazzis failed in 2081 01:42:14,680 --> 01:42:16,320 Egypt. Farnabazzis the paymaster. 2082 01:42:16,320 --> 01:42:17,480 But he was just allowed to retire. 2083 01:42:17,480 --> 01:42:19,120 He had to distinguish enough career. 2084 01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:22,760 They just put him out to pasture shed, you know, no 2085 01:42:22,760 --> 01:42:24,560 embarrassment. Just go home, do your thing, 2086 01:42:24,560 --> 01:42:27,000 retire, live on your estate. It's all good. 2087 01:42:27,480 --> 01:42:31,280 He was replaced by Datamines. Who was fearsome, esteemed, very 2088 01:42:31,280 --> 01:42:34,880 clever leader who began preparing another invasion. 2089 01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:37,080 He took over and was like, OK, we're going to get started on 2090 01:42:37,080 --> 01:42:38,840 this a lot quicker than Farnabazzis did. 2091 01:42:38,840 --> 01:42:40,360 It's not going to be another six years. 2092 01:42:40,360 --> 01:42:43,360 Before we attack, he also had a better approach. 2093 01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:47,200 He was not arrogant about it. He understood that Nectoneebo, 2094 01:42:47,200 --> 01:42:49,280 the rebel pharaoh, was not an easy mark. 2095 01:42:49,280 --> 01:42:51,640 This was a a. Good leader he the Egyptians 2096 01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:53,520 were behind him. He had done a lot of building 2097 01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:56,920 and fortifying so Egypt was in a stronger position than it had 2098 01:42:56,920 --> 01:43:00,560 been a 5 or 6 years ago. He also didn't have as many 2099 01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:04,600 Greek mercenaries to work with, Datamese did, and he didn't have 2100 01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:07,120 ethiquities on his side either. And if he probably would have 2101 01:43:07,120 --> 01:43:10,080 listened to ethiquities if he did have him anyway. 2102 01:43:10,600 --> 01:43:12,640 He's making his preparations, planning on doing things 2103 01:43:12,640 --> 01:43:14,800 differently. He's what he's going to. 2104 01:43:15,160 --> 01:43:17,320 He's not sure what he's going to do is going to work, but he's 2105 01:43:17,320 --> 01:43:20,040 had so much success in the past and he's not going to repeat the 2106 01:43:20,040 --> 01:43:23,080 mistakes of his predecessor. But he's a powerful, 2107 01:43:23,240 --> 01:43:26,080 high-ranking noble. He's got his own sources and 2108 01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:28,160 spies. Persia is that type of place. 2109 01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:31,280 It's huge. So he's got, while he's in 2110 01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:35,800 Egypt, he's got his own people back at court keeping him 2111 01:43:35,800 --> 01:43:37,960 abreast of things, right? They're listening, they're 2112 01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:40,400 collecting rumors, they're hearing what's being said. 2113 01:43:40,520 --> 01:43:41,240 You know what? What? 2114 01:43:41,240 --> 01:43:43,440 What is being said about datamines in the Egyptian 2115 01:43:43,440 --> 01:43:46,560 campaign, people, there was a pattern of helping is that they 2116 01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:50,600 would speak of datamines negatively, even though he's so 2117 01:43:50,600 --> 01:43:53,400 accomplished. And the reason was, well, you 2118 01:43:53,400 --> 01:43:56,360 don't want to. You can't say great. 2119 01:43:56,640 --> 01:43:59,240 You can't imply that he's better than the great king. 2120 01:43:59,240 --> 01:44:01,800 You got to Artie Zorksi has to be the best at everything. 2121 01:44:01,960 --> 01:44:05,400 The type of leader that has to be recognized as the number one 2122 01:44:05,400 --> 01:44:07,160 for everything. Sound familiar? 2123 01:44:07,360 --> 01:44:08,320 Yeah. How many? 2124 01:44:08,320 --> 01:44:10,160 Yeah, great. A leader out there that can't 2125 01:44:10,160 --> 01:44:12,680 handle not being the can't handle, not only can't handle 2126 01:44:12,680 --> 01:44:15,280 being criticized, has to be told how great he is all the time. 2127 01:44:15,680 --> 01:44:21,600 So Datames is being insulted and dishonored semi regularly, not 2128 01:44:21,600 --> 01:44:24,600 because of anything he did, but just to not offend the king. 2129 01:44:24,800 --> 01:44:26,400 This starts to really grate on him. 2130 01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:30,240 And then frankly, we're playing the game of telephone here. 2131 01:44:30,640 --> 01:44:35,160 We got some 18 hundred 1500 miles between Persepolis and 2132 01:44:35,160 --> 01:44:38,920 Egypt. By the time the insults spoken 2133 01:44:38,920 --> 01:44:42,280 at court are repeated to datamines in Egypt, it's 2134 01:44:42,280 --> 01:44:44,480 probably grown a little bit, might be grown a lot. 2135 01:44:44,480 --> 01:44:47,320 The insults might sound a little bigger than that, sound a lot 2136 01:44:47,320 --> 01:44:49,080 more flagrant, a lot more insulting. 2137 01:44:49,400 --> 01:44:52,640 Doesn't really matter. At one point, Artaxerxes orders 2138 01:44:52,640 --> 01:44:56,240 Dynamis to take a quick. Detour and attack this other 2139 01:44:56,240 --> 01:45:01,680 rebellious smaller Kingdom. And then he's then he maybe a 2140 01:45:01,680 --> 01:45:04,160 couple weeks later, because remember how slowly these things 2141 01:45:04,160 --> 01:45:07,560 move and how much time spaces between these two locations, he 2142 01:45:07,560 --> 01:45:09,440 sends out another message, like, actually don't do that. 2143 01:45:09,440 --> 01:45:11,680 I'm sorry, I shouldn't have ordered Datamis to do that. 2144 01:45:11,840 --> 01:45:13,880 It's beneath him. He's a high-ranking guy than 2145 01:45:13,880 --> 01:45:17,200 this belay that order. But by the time the belayed 2146 01:45:17,200 --> 01:45:20,040 order got there, Datamis had already done it because he's 2147 01:45:20,040 --> 01:45:22,000 just that effective. He's like, oh wow, I mean, I 2148 01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:23,320 can't call it off. It's done. 2149 01:45:23,520 --> 01:45:25,920 And he's #2 he has this guy Mithridati's with him. 2150 01:45:26,160 --> 01:45:28,840 Mithridati is one of the more common names in this region for 2151 01:45:29,080 --> 01:45:32,000 Persian nobles and, and other related cultural nobles. 2152 01:45:32,640 --> 01:45:34,000 And don't forget about this Mithridati's guy. 2153 01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:36,960 He's pretty important, so it backfired. 2154 01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:41,120 Datamis did the job that he. Was above. 2155 01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:45,720 But that just resulted in the court insulting him even more. 2156 01:45:45,720 --> 01:45:48,880 They had to talk bad about even more to make up for Art Dzerks. 2157 01:45:48,880 --> 01:45:50,760 He's kind of looking bad for all this. 2158 01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:54,400 You don't, you can't inflamed his very, very thin skin there, 2159 01:45:54,400 --> 01:45:56,720 right? So Datamis finally had enough. 2160 01:45:56,720 --> 01:45:58,520 He's like, I can't, this is, this is too much. 2161 01:45:58,520 --> 01:46:01,600 I can't handle this dishonor. I can't be given this important 2162 01:46:01,600 --> 01:46:05,640 job by the king because it needs an important person, yet behind 2163 01:46:05,640 --> 01:46:07,440 is my back. They're calling me names, 2164 01:46:07,440 --> 01:46:09,760 telling me I'm weak and I'm not as good as this. 2165 01:46:09,760 --> 01:46:12,040 Like it can't they? This is too much. 2166 01:46:12,040 --> 01:46:15,320 He couldn't take it anymore, so he just left. 2167 01:46:15,480 --> 01:46:19,240 He gathered his closest men, went to Paphlagonia, which is 2168 01:46:19,480 --> 01:46:22,120 his territory, and started fortifying and start spending 2169 01:46:22,120 --> 01:46:25,560 money on building his army. And he didn't openly rebel, He 2170 01:46:25,560 --> 01:46:30,560 didn't attack Persia. He just, I just seceded without 2171 01:46:30,560 --> 01:46:32,720 telling anybody. I just, I just waited for the 2172 01:46:32,720 --> 01:46:34,040 inevitable. Eventually, they're going to 2173 01:46:34,040 --> 01:46:34,760 figure. This out. 2174 01:46:35,000 --> 01:46:37,520 And they'll come for me. But by then, hopefully I'm well 2175 01:46:37,520 --> 01:46:38,200 prepared. Now. 2176 01:46:38,200 --> 01:46:40,400 I called this the Great Satraps revolt. 2177 01:46:40,760 --> 01:46:42,480 This is only one satrap, isn't it? 2178 01:46:43,120 --> 01:46:46,040 Yep, it is only one. There is more to come, but the 2179 01:46:46,040 --> 01:46:49,600 Great Satraps revolt because of the great amount of time, 2180 01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:52,480 because of the great amount of space phrase I keep repeating 2181 01:46:52,480 --> 01:46:53,360 here. It sounds like we're talking 2182 01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:55,960 astronomy here. Not all the satraps are going to 2183 01:46:55,960 --> 01:46:57,960 jump on board right away. In fact, it's going to be 2184 01:46:57,960 --> 01:46:59,520 There's going to be years in between some of these. 2185 01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:02,160 This satraps revolt is not going to be short. 2186 01:47:02,920 --> 01:47:06,080 Now arguably Egypt is already a satrapy in revolt. 2187 01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:08,840 Certainly Persia sees it that. Way but I I don't. 2188 01:47:08,840 --> 01:47:12,080 Because it had been like more than 20 years that they've been 2189 01:47:12,080 --> 01:47:14,560 independent, you know, they've been operating on their own. 2190 01:47:14,680 --> 01:47:18,520 So it's you can't really call it a satrapy in rebellion. 2191 01:47:18,520 --> 01:47:21,160 I think when they've been independent for so long and 2192 01:47:21,160 --> 01:47:25,240 there's been. A large cessation in any sort of 2193 01:47:25,240 --> 01:47:27,480 violence. So whatever, that's semantics. 2194 01:47:28,040 --> 01:47:32,440 Either way, we will shift our focus to another region and come 2195 01:47:32,440 --> 01:47:34,000 back to this later because. It's. 2196 01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:38,000 Going to take a while to play out but one last thing before we 2197 01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:41,920 move away is datamines was about to go up against neck to Nabo 2198 01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:46,320 and then he turned so neck to Nabo all of a sudden this guy 2199 01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:48,320 was about to attack him. He's like, hey bro, need some 2200 01:47:48,320 --> 01:47:50,440 help? Enemy and my enemy. 2201 01:47:51,160 --> 01:47:53,560 So he started sending money to Datamis. 2202 01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:56,040 And then you can predict what's next. 2203 01:47:56,080 --> 01:47:58,760 We haven't gotten there yet. But when other SAT traps start 2204 01:47:58,760 --> 01:48:02,600 revolting against Persia, Oh yeah, neck to Nabo's like hey, 2205 01:48:02,600 --> 01:48:03,560 need some help? Need some help? 2206 01:48:04,120 --> 01:48:05,680 I got money. I got chips. 2207 01:48:05,680 --> 01:48:07,040 What do you need, bro? I got food. 2208 01:48:07,040 --> 01:48:08,880 We got a lot of food. This is a bread basket here. 2209 01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:10,480 You need armies. Need food. 2210 01:48:10,480 --> 01:48:14,280 We got that for you. So he is very ready to find 2211 01:48:14,280 --> 01:48:17,320 allies against Persia and hopefully topple the whole thing 2212 01:48:17,360 --> 01:48:19,920 maybe maybe become into maybe a whole lot of independent 2213 01:48:19,920 --> 01:48:21,120 nations. Maybe the whole empire can come 2214 01:48:21,120 --> 01:48:24,400 down, if not at least a chunk of it, at least push them back 2215 01:48:24,400 --> 01:48:28,600 right now today about says all right, well, it's not just these 2216 01:48:28,600 --> 01:48:31,720 nations under the Persian yoke. Let me go talk to Sparta and 2217 01:48:31,720 --> 01:48:33,840 Athens and figure out what's there. 2218 01:48:33,840 --> 01:48:37,920 Maybe we can work with them. Notice who was not included just 2219 01:48:37,920 --> 01:48:41,080 now Thebes. He he began re establishing ties 2220 01:48:41,080 --> 01:48:43,280 with Sparta and Athens, not Thebes. 2221 01:48:43,360 --> 01:48:44,880 He couldn't re establish ties with Thebes. 2222 01:48:44,880 --> 01:48:46,680 He didn't have any, but he didn't establish them either. 2223 01:48:46,680 --> 01:48:50,920 So it goes to show that yeah, not everyone looked on the 2224 01:48:50,920 --> 01:48:53,960 battle of Lucdra as just everything's different now. 2225 01:48:54,240 --> 01:48:57,240 They may have looked at it as a maybe things are going to 2226 01:48:57,240 --> 01:48:59,960 change. But inside Greece, it it was 2227 01:48:59,960 --> 01:49:01,440 having a bigger effect than outside. 2228 01:49:01,480 --> 01:49:04,880 Even though it was having effect outside, it was definitely not 2229 01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:08,040 as potent. So how about that crazy, right? 2230 01:49:08,040 --> 01:49:12,760 The very old Artaxerxes escapes assassination so far at least, 2231 01:49:13,000 --> 01:49:16,200 while the young Marshall Jason did not. 2232 01:49:16,320 --> 01:49:19,400 And while Jason had nothing to do with Persian palace intrigue, 2233 01:49:19,400 --> 01:49:23,160 I have my suspicions that maybe Artaxerxes gave the order or 2234 01:49:23,160 --> 01:49:26,040 permission to make Jason's death happen. 2235 01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:29,000 Definitely not a sure thing. But the motive is pretty 2236 01:49:29,000 --> 01:49:31,120 straightforward, right? Jason talked about attacking 2237 01:49:31,120 --> 01:49:33,640 Persia and it was a popular idea in Greece. 2238 01:49:33,640 --> 01:49:35,960 It wasn't just something that people talked about talked about 2239 01:49:35,960 --> 01:49:39,640 in hushed whispers. And Persia has spies everywhere. 2240 01:49:40,760 --> 01:49:45,640 So it's a lesson in human power. The end of Jason and possibly 2241 01:49:45,640 --> 01:49:47,960 the end of Amontos and some of these other spots. 2242 01:49:48,120 --> 01:49:53,040 The chaos building, it shows or is about to show an example. 2243 01:49:53,480 --> 01:49:56,480 I talked about it. What happens when a man with all 2244 01:49:56,480 --> 01:49:59,400 these mercenaries just is taken off the playing board? 2245 01:49:59,640 --> 01:50:01,080 He's gone. He's no longer in the Game of 2246 01:50:01,080 --> 01:50:03,680 Thrones, but his army is still just sitting there. 2247 01:50:03,680 --> 01:50:05,760 Who's going to take it over? Who's going to use it? 2248 01:50:05,760 --> 01:50:07,440 Will it be one person, multiple people? 2249 01:50:08,080 --> 01:50:10,120 No one has his charisma or force of will. 2250 01:50:10,120 --> 01:50:14,160 So even if they get the whole thing, they don't necessarily 2251 01:50:14,160 --> 01:50:17,720 have the buy in that Jason had. So this is a real dangerous 2252 01:50:17,720 --> 01:50:22,280 thing and it's not going to take very long to matter. 2253 01:50:22,440 --> 01:50:24,240 Let's move on to that immediately. 2254 01:50:26,320 --> 01:50:29,200 This section is called Fallout Grease. 2255 01:50:29,560 --> 01:50:32,480 Yeah, it's predictable in some ways. 2256 01:50:32,920 --> 01:50:35,760 That when there's a lot of deaths, or even one death of a 2257 01:50:35,760 --> 01:50:39,800 powerful monarch or power broker, tyrant, whatever title. 2258 01:50:40,400 --> 01:50:42,120 Things happen, there's a big shift. 2259 01:50:42,120 --> 01:50:45,800 Vacuums fill, then vacuums may cause new vacuums. 2260 01:50:45,960 --> 01:50:49,040 Lutra was the center of all this, right? 2261 01:50:49,040 --> 01:50:52,320 The Battle of Lutra kicked so much of this off, but there were 2262 01:50:52,320 --> 01:50:55,120 more meaningful deaths outside of Lutra than in it More. 2263 01:50:55,120 --> 01:50:56,200 Total. That's that, Lutra. 2264 01:50:56,200 --> 01:50:57,280 It was a whole. Battle right. 2265 01:50:58,360 --> 01:51:00,840 Hundreds of nameless soldiers died. 2266 01:51:00,840 --> 01:51:02,920 Lots of real people died, but we don't know who they were. 2267 01:51:02,920 --> 01:51:05,040 They weren't the people commanding other than Clean 2268 01:51:05,040 --> 01:51:05,840 Brodus. Who was? 2269 01:51:06,480 --> 01:51:09,440 Commanding badly. So let's go to Thessaly. 2270 01:51:09,440 --> 01:51:11,680 What happened with the fallout of Jason's death? 2271 01:51:12,040 --> 01:51:16,680 Polly, Doris and Pollyfron, his two brothers, I don't think they 2272 01:51:16,680 --> 01:51:18,840 were twins even though their names are really similar. 2273 01:51:19,240 --> 01:51:24,360 But they inherited his office and said hey, let's let's work 2274 01:51:24,360 --> 01:51:27,560 together. Let's be Co monarchs. 2275 01:51:28,480 --> 01:51:31,720 That's not going to work. This is not Sparta. 2276 01:51:33,160 --> 01:51:39,920 That's what that's probably what Pollyfron yelled at Pollydoris 2277 01:51:39,920 --> 01:51:41,720 when he murdered him, because that's what happened. 2278 01:51:42,240 --> 01:51:45,800 Pollyfron and Pollydoris started together with some of the 2279 01:51:45,800 --> 01:51:48,760 mercenaries and headed to Larissa, which was the most 2280 01:51:48,760 --> 01:51:51,920 powerful city in Thessaly. And you know, they're like. 2281 01:51:52,240 --> 01:51:54,080 Let's shore up our new rule. Right bro? 2282 01:51:54,080 --> 01:51:55,920 Right bro? Yeah, let's do that. 2283 01:51:56,520 --> 01:51:59,320 But Polyfron started the shoring up a little bit early by 2284 01:51:59,320 --> 01:52:01,680 murdering his brother. I mean, yeah, whoever heard of. 2285 01:52:01,760 --> 01:52:04,560 Yeah, it's two Taguses. Yeah. 2286 01:52:04,560 --> 01:52:08,200 This is not Sparta. So he gets to Larissa and 2287 01:52:08,200 --> 01:52:10,600 immediately starts doing very unjacen like things. 2288 01:52:10,600 --> 01:52:14,040 He's not like I'm the best, follow me, we all win. 2289 01:52:14,040 --> 01:52:17,640 No, he's like, I'm in charge, follow me or I kill you. 2290 01:52:17,640 --> 01:52:21,960 And it's a much more expected, standard way of doing things, 2291 01:52:21,960 --> 01:52:24,200 one that we've all seen in a variety of ways, where Jason's 2292 01:52:24,200 --> 01:52:26,160 way was the new and interesting and different one. 2293 01:52:26,320 --> 01:52:28,680 This is old hat, and we know what's going to happen. 2294 01:52:28,680 --> 01:52:31,760 This guy, he's not going to last, right, Right. 2295 01:52:32,400 --> 01:52:35,120 Yeah, right. So he starts getting people 2296 01:52:35,120 --> 01:52:37,200 killed. He executes leading citizens. 2297 01:52:37,200 --> 01:52:39,200 That's always going to go well, right? 2298 01:52:39,920 --> 01:52:43,120 Some of the citizens seem to have resisted his new edicts. 2299 01:52:43,120 --> 01:52:46,120 He was like, I want more taxes, I want obedience, I want people 2300 01:52:46,120 --> 01:52:50,040 to bend the knee, etcetera. People pushed back gently, had 2301 01:52:50,040 --> 01:52:53,680 them killed. He had a guy named Polydamus 2302 01:52:53,760 --> 01:52:55,840 executed. Polydamus was from the leading 2303 01:52:55,840 --> 01:52:59,360 family. He had been an envoy to Sparta, 2304 01:52:59,360 --> 01:53:02,400 if I remember correctly. That was just a big thing to do 2305 01:53:02,400 --> 01:53:06,040 to kill someone like this. So this is the this is the bar, 2306 01:53:06,040 --> 01:53:08,160 right? This is a big problem in the 2307 01:53:08,160 --> 01:53:10,240 real world. You got a guy who's only 2308 01:53:10,240 --> 01:53:14,280 interested in himself, creates this power structure that only 2309 01:53:14,280 --> 01:53:16,120 he can manage. And when he's gone, well, he 2310 01:53:16,120 --> 01:53:17,720 doesn't care. He doesn't care what happens to 2311 01:53:17,720 --> 01:53:19,800 the rest of the world when he's dead, he's dead. 2312 01:53:20,160 --> 01:53:24,400 But that left behind power structure is just it's a flaming 2313 01:53:24,400 --> 01:53:26,560 sword held above the world. It's bad. 2314 01:53:26,560 --> 01:53:30,480 It's it's just a a series of atrocities waiting to happen. 2315 01:53:30,480 --> 01:53:32,720 It's a series of injustices waiting to happen. 2316 01:53:33,040 --> 01:53:37,560 This also creates the opportunity for someone to be 2317 01:53:37,560 --> 01:53:39,520 hero. You don't have to be a hero, but 2318 01:53:39,520 --> 01:53:41,800 you can pretend to be hero. What I mean by that? 2319 01:53:41,800 --> 01:53:48,760 Is well, this evil Polyfron guy, I had to think for a second 2320 01:53:48,800 --> 01:53:52,400 which you know, or Polydorus guy rather, I mean which of them it 2321 01:53:52,400 --> 01:53:55,480 was that was still alive, still a very much a Macedonian. 2322 01:53:55,480 --> 01:53:57,560 And what I mean by that is Macedonians love. 2323 01:53:57,560 --> 01:54:01,480 Drinking Macedonians love drinking contests. 2324 01:54:02,000 --> 01:54:05,000 They would drink uncut wine in these drinking contests quite 2325 01:54:05,000 --> 01:54:05,960 often. What? 2326 01:54:05,960 --> 01:54:08,920 Which means like water. No water in the wine. 2327 01:54:08,920 --> 01:54:11,720 It's just defermented grape juice only They don't add 2328 01:54:11,720 --> 01:54:13,520 anything else to it. It is real strong. 2329 01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:18,960 So Alexander was the son of Polydorus, and he challenged 2330 01:54:19,320 --> 01:54:22,360 Polyfron. To a drinking bout. 2331 01:54:22,600 --> 01:54:25,400 He was like you killed my father, I challenge you to a 2332 01:54:25,400 --> 01:54:27,120 drinking bout. A pretty standard. 2333 01:54:27,120 --> 01:54:28,280 Reaction, right? You killed my. 2334 01:54:28,320 --> 01:54:31,320 Father, it's like Princess Bride. 2335 01:54:31,320 --> 01:54:33,560 I am Alexander. You. 2336 01:54:33,720 --> 01:54:41,240 I'm I'm son of Polly. Doris, you must drink with me. 2337 01:54:41,520 --> 01:54:43,400 What? Anyway, so this drinking bout 2338 01:54:43,400 --> 01:54:48,640 happened and there's one source that says that Alexander 2339 01:54:48,640 --> 01:54:51,360 poisoned Polly Frond at this bout, but I don't think that's 2340 01:54:51,360 --> 01:54:53,640 what happened. It it's he definitely killed him 2341 01:54:53,640 --> 01:54:55,840 though. He killed him with a spear. 2342 01:54:55,840 --> 01:54:57,600 He stabbed him in the back with a spear. 2343 01:54:58,000 --> 01:55:03,480 And the reason this is much more likely version is that Alexander 2344 01:55:03,480 --> 01:55:08,520 then took the spear and set up a shrine for it. 2345 01:55:08,680 --> 01:55:11,400 He gave it a name, Ticon, and worshipped it. 2346 01:55:11,400 --> 01:55:15,560 He made sacrifices to the spear. He was like, hey, y'all, I'm a 2347 01:55:15,560 --> 01:55:17,800 hero. I killed this evil guy that was 2348 01:55:17,800 --> 01:55:21,640 trying to seize power that my Uncle Jason had built up. 2349 01:55:21,640 --> 01:55:24,160 You know, he was awful. But I'm the good guy that just 2350 01:55:24,160 --> 01:55:26,720 put a stop to that. So he want a little bit of 2351 01:55:26,720 --> 01:55:29,120 acclaim, short term acclaim for that I guess. 2352 01:55:29,320 --> 01:55:33,760 But it didn't take very long for him to be called tyrant because, 2353 01:55:34,040 --> 01:55:39,160 well, the Alludia Alludae. It's an 8 letter word with six 2354 01:55:39,160 --> 01:55:39,920 vowels. Y'all. 2355 01:55:39,920 --> 01:55:43,360 I don't know what to do with it. They were descended from 2356 01:55:43,360 --> 01:55:47,160 Heracles, who is of course the Garth Green Hand of Greece. 2357 01:55:47,360 --> 01:55:49,560 It's bajillion different families connect themselves to 2358 01:55:49,560 --> 01:55:52,280 Heracles. They were worried that this 2359 01:55:52,280 --> 01:55:55,560 Alexander guy was going to kill them all because he started 2360 01:55:55,560 --> 01:55:57,880 killing people kind of like his uncle had. 2361 01:55:58,760 --> 01:56:02,360 So they hot. Footed it West and asked for 2362 01:56:02,360 --> 01:56:04,840 help from the new king of Macedonia. 2363 01:56:05,040 --> 01:56:07,920 That's right, Alexander the second, they said, hey, 2364 01:56:07,920 --> 01:56:11,960 Alexander the second, we need help against Alexander of Farai. 2365 01:56:12,600 --> 01:56:17,040 That's right, Alexander versus. Alexander, the bout is set. 2366 01:56:17,800 --> 01:56:21,640 So Alexander Fierai has not shored up his power by any means 2367 01:56:21,640 --> 01:56:24,840 at this like Tesla, as I told you, is a very large place, much 2368 01:56:24,840 --> 01:56:27,800 larger than Greece, the Greece, Greek, Peloponnese and and the 2369 01:56:28,040 --> 01:56:29,840 areas of Attica and Boesha combined. 2370 01:56:30,360 --> 01:56:35,800 So he gathered what mercenaries and supporters he could and sort 2371 01:56:35,800 --> 01:56:38,040 of buckled. Down like sort of hunker down a 2372 01:56:38,040 --> 01:56:40,280 bit, but. The Alidae had left some 2373 01:56:40,280 --> 01:56:43,480 supporters behind in the city, and those supporters opened like 2374 01:56:43,480 --> 01:56:47,080 a side gate to let Alexander of Macedon in along with the 2375 01:56:47,080 --> 01:56:51,040 refugees who fled, and they took the city and then put the 2376 01:56:51,040 --> 01:56:53,840 citadel under siege. The Alidae had two branches. 2377 01:56:53,840 --> 01:56:55,840 The other is called the Scopodi of Crannon. 2378 01:56:55,840 --> 01:56:57,800 So there's the Alidae and the Scopodi there. 2379 01:56:57,800 --> 01:57:02,160 It's like a cadet branch. So Alexander of Macedon then 2380 01:57:02,160 --> 01:57:04,680 brought his army to Crannon to shore that up. 2381 01:57:04,680 --> 01:57:09,040 So the ally day had the king of Macedon now holding their 2382 01:57:09,040 --> 01:57:12,560 capital and their sub capital, their other important city. 2383 01:57:13,320 --> 01:57:15,400 This is kind of similar. If you remember way back earlier 2384 01:57:15,400 --> 01:57:17,840 in the series, Alexander the Second's father, Amintas the 2385 01:57:17,840 --> 01:57:20,720 Third, the one who just died, he had loaned some of his territory 2386 01:57:20,720 --> 01:57:23,240 away and then it would that they wouldn't give it back. 2387 01:57:24,080 --> 01:57:28,360 This is very similar here. You invited Alexander the second 2388 01:57:28,360 --> 01:57:30,400 of Macedon in to hold these things and they're like, will 2389 01:57:30,400 --> 01:57:32,440 you give it back now that we've settled things up? 2390 01:57:32,440 --> 01:57:36,880 He's like, no, I don't think so. Instead, I'm going to bring more 2391 01:57:36,880 --> 01:57:40,880 troops over and fortify them even more, keep keep my hold on 2392 01:57:40,880 --> 01:57:44,640 them even firmer somehow. Alexander Fira, I don't know how 2393 01:57:44,640 --> 01:57:47,520 it's not recorded. He got out, He escaped the siege 2394 01:57:47,520 --> 01:57:51,280 or something and ran back to Fear I with what followers he 2395 01:57:51,280 --> 01:57:54,240 still had, all the while shouting you haven't seen the 2396 01:57:54,240 --> 01:57:58,760 last of me like some cartoon villain, and indeed we have not 2397 01:57:58,760 --> 01:58:01,800 seen the last of him. This guy is a real piece of 2398 01:58:01,800 --> 01:58:04,760 work. I told you when the series began 2399 01:58:04,880 --> 01:58:06,560 that there would be a Ramsay Bolton. 2400 01:58:07,160 --> 01:58:09,840 Well, here he is. Alexander Fear I is Ramsay 2401 01:58:09,840 --> 01:58:11,600 Bolton. Yep, he sure is. 2402 01:58:12,080 --> 01:58:14,360 And by the way, I never did it, but I think Jason Efirai was 2403 01:58:14,360 --> 01:58:16,040 Mance Raider. Yeah, I think that was his. 2404 01:58:16,040 --> 01:58:18,240 I think that's who he was. Charismatic, but also a strong 2405 01:58:18,240 --> 01:58:19,640 leader, United a bunch of people. 2406 01:58:20,000 --> 01:58:23,320 Stuff started to fall apart. And when he was killed, Yeah. 2407 01:58:23,360 --> 01:58:24,560 Yeah. Anyway, moving on. 2408 01:58:25,480 --> 01:58:27,520 So Sparta had to deal with a number of their allies and 2409 01:58:27,520 --> 01:58:29,760 subjects using this opportunity to break free. 2410 01:58:29,760 --> 01:58:33,160 So like I said, thieves first first goal was to shore up their 2411 01:58:33,160 --> 01:58:35,120 territory, get rid of the Spartan influence. 2412 01:58:35,680 --> 01:58:39,640 Sparta's first task after losing at Luktra was to make sure they 2413 01:58:39,640 --> 01:58:42,040 didn't lose more allies. Like like this is the time where 2414 01:58:42,040 --> 01:58:43,840 allies are going to jump ship. We got to stop that from 2415 01:58:43,840 --> 01:58:45,040 happening. We got to shore up our power 2416 01:58:45,040 --> 01:58:46,640 too. So both sides are shoring up 2417 01:58:46,640 --> 01:58:49,480 their power before the inevitable next conflict, which 2418 01:58:49,840 --> 01:58:52,640 is coming. But Persia's no longer excited 2419 01:58:52,640 --> 01:58:56,000 about helping Sparta. Big blow to Sparta's hopes 2420 01:58:56,240 --> 01:58:58,240 because Persia was always kind of like you guys are our 2421 01:58:58,240 --> 01:59:00,280 enforcement arm. We'll, we'll give you a little 2422 01:59:00,280 --> 01:59:02,600 strength. You're our bulldog in Greece. 2423 01:59:02,840 --> 01:59:05,400 We'll give you some money here and there and you guys enforce 2424 01:59:05,400 --> 01:59:08,760 things and kind of make sure our will is at least somewhat 2425 01:59:08,760 --> 01:59:10,440 enforced there. You know, you hold peace 2426 01:59:10,440 --> 01:59:12,640 conferences in our name, do things like that. 2427 01:59:13,440 --> 01:59:15,600 So that made Sparta kind of nervous. 2428 01:59:15,600 --> 01:59:17,000 They were already nervous. Now they're more nervous. 2429 01:59:17,000 --> 01:59:19,360 They're like, wait, are they number one? 2430 01:59:20,360 --> 01:59:23,200 Does Persia just think we're weak because we are weak? 2431 01:59:23,200 --> 01:59:27,400 Are we actually weak or wait, what or what? 2432 01:59:27,400 --> 01:59:29,320 Or are they going to give it to somebody else? 2433 01:59:29,520 --> 01:59:32,560 Are they going to give their backing to somebody else? 2434 01:59:32,560 --> 01:59:35,040 They're really afraid of that. They were really afraid of that. 2435 01:59:35,040 --> 01:59:39,680 Athens or even Thebes would get the backing of Persia because, 2436 01:59:40,240 --> 01:59:42,800 well, they would probably give it to somebody if not them. 2437 01:59:43,360 --> 01:59:44,800 That's not actually what happened in the short term. 2438 01:59:44,800 --> 01:59:46,640 In the short term, Persia just stayed out of it for a little 2439 01:59:46,640 --> 01:59:49,440 while. Like, we got our own problems. 2440 01:59:49,440 --> 01:59:51,440 We got palace intrigue, we got Egypt. 2441 01:59:51,920 --> 01:59:54,640 So they were a little distracted, but Greece didn't 2442 01:59:54,640 --> 01:59:57,320 know that. And Sparta wanted to strike back 2443 01:59:57,320 --> 02:00:00,880 quick, quickly to, you know, maybe diminish. 2444 02:00:01,360 --> 02:00:05,360 The effect of their loss, which meant it just allows had to go 2445 02:00:05,360 --> 02:00:07,520 back to the field. Yes, he had his son Archodamus. 2446 02:00:07,520 --> 02:00:12,080 Archodamus was capable but it just allows his wounded leg the 2447 02:00:12,080 --> 02:00:17,480 one that he had a like a strange cyst that burst and he almost 2448 02:00:17,480 --> 02:00:20,160 bled to death that almost killed him that was healed and I 2449 02:00:20,160 --> 02:00:23,680 remember his other leg was already shorter than than the 2450 02:00:23,680 --> 02:00:26,920 right like he had. So both his legs were damaged in 2451 02:00:26,920 --> 02:00:30,600 a way, one from birth and one from battle or just. 2452 02:00:31,080 --> 02:00:32,960 Disease. But he was ready. 2453 02:00:32,960 --> 02:00:35,040 He in his 70s, but he was finally ready to go back out 2454 02:00:35,040 --> 02:00:37,480 again. It's like just when I thought I 2455 02:00:37,480 --> 02:00:41,120 was out, they pull me back in. But he couldn't go right for 2456 02:00:41,120 --> 02:00:42,240 thieves. He hates thieves. 2457 02:00:42,280 --> 02:00:45,000 He hasn't stopped hating Thebes for decades. 2458 02:00:45,280 --> 02:00:46,560 But he had to do this allies thing. 2459 02:00:46,560 --> 02:00:47,800 He had to work. With them first. 2460 02:00:47,800 --> 02:00:52,200 So he had to take either bring your allies back into the fold 2461 02:00:52,200 --> 02:00:54,120 or Thebes. The threat of thieves becomes 2462 02:00:54,120 --> 02:00:58,880 much more dangerous. But to add insult to injury, 2463 02:00:59,640 --> 02:01:02,680 Agissepolis the second, this new 10 year old king, he just up and 2464 02:01:02,680 --> 02:01:05,240 died. Now there's no foul play that we 2465 02:01:05,240 --> 02:01:06,560 know of here. And why would there be? 2466 02:01:06,560 --> 02:01:09,320 There's no point in killing the 10 year old king unless it puts 2467 02:01:09,320 --> 02:01:10,600 an adult in charge. It didn't. 2468 02:01:10,600 --> 02:01:13,160 It put a younger tank, a younger brother in charge. 2469 02:01:13,160 --> 02:01:14,640 Now we have like an 8 year old brother. 2470 02:01:15,040 --> 02:01:17,160 Another of the second. We go from Agislaus, the second 2471 02:01:17,480 --> 02:01:19,600 Agissepolis, the second Cleomenes. 2472 02:01:19,600 --> 02:01:23,160 The second SO. There you go. 2473 02:01:23,160 --> 02:01:25,880 That's pretty wild, right? So again, yeah, no reason to 2474 02:01:25,880 --> 02:01:27,400 suspect foul play. Why would you kill the 10 year 2475 02:01:27,400 --> 02:01:29,360 old king who's not doing anything anyway, right? 2476 02:01:29,360 --> 02:01:31,880 So but it just and it. Just from a religious 2477 02:01:31,880 --> 02:01:34,960 perspective, though, it's just another thing that the the 2478 02:01:35,120 --> 02:01:37,520 Spartans are nervous about or anxious about like. 2479 02:01:37,960 --> 02:01:40,480 God are the gods on our side. Our 10 year old king just 2480 02:01:40,480 --> 02:01:42,800 dropped dead, man, that is not a good sign. 2481 02:01:43,160 --> 02:01:47,600 That's not a good omen, right? And they knew as well. 2482 02:01:48,200 --> 02:01:51,040 The threat wasn't just to their lives, but to their power 2483 02:01:51,040 --> 02:01:52,480 structure, their way of life, their culture. 2484 02:01:52,480 --> 02:01:56,520 They knew that Epaminondas had his sights set on Messini. 2485 02:01:56,800 --> 02:01:59,600 Messini is Spartest biggest abuse. 2486 02:01:59,920 --> 02:02:02,440 Sparta's enslaved neighbor. They are Greek, just like 2487 02:02:02,440 --> 02:02:06,360 everybody else in this area. And Greeks, yeah, they're 2488 02:02:06,360 --> 02:02:08,560 hypocritical. They're willing to enslave non 2489 02:02:08,560 --> 02:02:11,200 Greeks. A lot of them are, but not so 2490 02:02:11,200 --> 02:02:13,400 much other Greeks. That's a seems to be a 2491 02:02:13,400 --> 02:02:16,960 distinction. So Sparta has had Messini 2492 02:02:16,960 --> 02:02:20,720 enslaved for hundreds of years, so long that some people kind of 2493 02:02:20,720 --> 02:02:22,240 just kind of go along and they're like, yeah, they don't 2494 02:02:22,240 --> 02:02:23,240 even really think of them that way. 2495 02:02:23,240 --> 02:02:25,240 It doesn't, it doesn't. They're not perceiving it that 2496 02:02:25,240 --> 02:02:26,680 way. But EPA MENA just like restarted 2497 02:02:26,680 --> 02:02:30,280 that conversation saying, hey, remember, This is why the Battle 2498 02:02:30,280 --> 02:02:32,120 of Lukra happened. Remember, they would not, they 2499 02:02:32,120 --> 02:02:34,120 were not allowed to sign for all of Oisha. 2500 02:02:34,120 --> 02:02:36,920 Like, yeah, we signed the peace treaty and on behalf of all of 2501 02:02:36,920 --> 02:02:38,840 our region, Sparta wouldn't let them. 2502 02:02:39,080 --> 02:02:40,040 It just allows, wouldn't let them. 2503 02:02:40,040 --> 02:02:43,320 And he's like, well, but you're signing for all of Sparta, which 2504 02:02:43,320 --> 02:02:45,960 includes Masini. How can you sign for Masini if 2505 02:02:45,960 --> 02:02:47,760 we can't sign for the rest of Boisha? 2506 02:02:48,320 --> 02:02:50,560 Very hypocritical, huh? It just allows got so. 2507 02:02:50,560 --> 02:02:54,040 Mad then in the war happened right and here we are. 2508 02:02:54,280 --> 02:02:56,760 It just allows nose. That's what he pan man has had 2509 02:02:56,760 --> 02:02:58,960 his sights set on because he brought it up at the conference. 2510 02:02:59,160 --> 02:03:01,360 That hasn't stopped. He knows that's their next 2511 02:03:01,360 --> 02:03:03,360 target. He knows they're going to come 2512 02:03:04,200 --> 02:03:07,720 and try to free Messini and that's a whole nother group of 2513 02:03:07,760 --> 02:03:11,640 soldiers potential that will fight for thieves and or at 2514 02:03:11,640 --> 02:03:13,360 least for themselves against Sparta. 2515 02:03:13,920 --> 02:03:17,000 This Spartan system isn't just collapsing from the inside, it's 2516 02:03:17,000 --> 02:03:20,080 collapsing from the outside. But let me tell you folks, it 2517 02:03:20,080 --> 02:03:22,400 just allow us is not going to go down easy. 2518 02:03:23,000 --> 02:03:26,760 And there's a lot of other Spartan nameless Spartans who 2519 02:03:26,760 --> 02:03:30,720 are willing to give their lives on the battlefield or elsewhere 2520 02:03:30,720 --> 02:03:34,000 to stop this result, even if it. Might seem somewhat inevitable. 2521 02:03:34,560 --> 02:03:37,000 Is it inevitable? Well, we'll just have to see. 2522 02:03:37,960 --> 02:03:41,160 So Pam and honest, he's not like, I'm not trying to wipe out 2523 02:03:41,160 --> 02:03:42,640 Sparta. I'm not trying to kill Sparta. 2524 02:03:43,000 --> 02:03:44,720 I'm just trying to get rid of their slave army. 2525 02:03:44,720 --> 02:03:46,800 I'm trying to get rid of the source of so much of their 2526 02:03:46,800 --> 02:03:49,080 power, which is a very unjust source of power. 2527 02:03:49,360 --> 02:03:52,280 You've got Greek slaves doing your farming so that you can 2528 02:03:52,280 --> 02:03:54,880 spend all your time fighting. That's why you're so good at 2529 02:03:54,880 --> 02:03:58,040 fighting, because you don't have to farm, right? 2530 02:03:58,040 --> 02:04:01,000 That's not fair. It's not only unfair in terms of 2531 02:04:01,560 --> 02:04:04,200 your military supremacy is unearned because you're using 2532 02:04:04,200 --> 02:04:08,080 slavery, but it's also you're using your military supremacy to 2533 02:04:08,320 --> 02:04:10,960 to as leverage to show that you're the best. 2534 02:04:11,160 --> 02:04:13,080 Yet you didn't earn it the proper way. 2535 02:04:13,080 --> 02:04:15,760 You earned it through slavery of your fellow Greeks. 2536 02:04:16,040 --> 02:04:17,440 They see all this argument coming. 2537 02:04:17,440 --> 02:04:19,400 They don't agree with it. They've obviously been engaged 2538 02:04:19,400 --> 02:04:22,680 in this for hundreds of years, but they can see the weakness, 2539 02:04:23,040 --> 02:04:26,440 the moral weakness in their structure that people like the 2540 02:04:26,440 --> 02:04:29,560 Pam Anandis will hammer away at, in addition to him hammering 2541 02:04:29,560 --> 02:04:32,520 away at in more traditional military means with, you know, 2542 02:04:32,800 --> 02:04:35,000 armies and stuff. We haven't had a second. 2543 02:04:35,000 --> 02:04:36,600 Battle yet, but you know it's coming. 2544 02:04:36,800 --> 02:04:40,280 And 3rd and if we yeah, more battles are coming you all this 2545 02:04:40,280 --> 02:04:42,640 is that moment where the two boxers have retreated to their 2546 02:04:42,640 --> 02:04:46,320 corner to get the blood wiped off the sweat wiped off the 2547 02:04:46,320 --> 02:04:48,520 Reese discussed strategy. But they're going right back 2548 02:04:48,520 --> 02:04:51,240 forward very soon. So now they could negotiate with 2549 02:04:51,240 --> 02:04:53,040 greater leverage. Thieves could That's the other 2550 02:04:53,040 --> 02:04:54,600 thing. Sparta is now negotiating with 2551 02:04:54,600 --> 02:04:56,880 lesser leverage Before when they're talking to their allies, 2552 02:04:56,880 --> 02:04:58,360 they could be a bully. They'll be well, if you don't 2553 02:04:58,360 --> 02:05:00,400 join with us, you know what's going to happen. 2554 02:05:00,400 --> 02:05:02,400 They don't even have to say it. If you don't join with us 2555 02:05:02,400 --> 02:05:05,120 willingly, then Plato O plomo, right? 2556 02:05:05,120 --> 02:05:08,680 The old Spanish drug cartel line. 2557 02:05:08,680 --> 02:05:11,400 You know, silver or lead. You either take our money or you 2558 02:05:11,400 --> 02:05:12,880 take our bullets. Same thing. 2559 02:05:12,880 --> 02:05:18,040 That's what Sparta would do. You either take our alliance or 2560 02:05:18,040 --> 02:05:22,640 you take our Spears. And now thieves could 2561 02:05:22,640 --> 02:05:24,560 renegotiate. Thieves could say, hey, so Evan. 2562 02:05:24,560 --> 02:05:29,680 Said no to us. But we get to go back to every 2563 02:05:29,680 --> 02:05:35,080 single ally we had and some that we didn't and say hey before you 2564 02:05:35,080 --> 02:05:38,160 rejected us or hey before we agreed to this deal. 2565 02:05:38,160 --> 02:05:41,640 But let's tear that deal up and have a new deal because we're 2566 02:05:41,640 --> 02:05:45,080 the bosses now. That is not how he, Pam Anandis 2567 02:05:45,080 --> 02:05:47,600 wants to do it. But he's only one man. 2568 02:05:47,680 --> 02:05:51,480 He's only one Theban leader in a proto democracy. 2569 02:05:51,480 --> 02:05:53,920 He's not a king. He doesn't have the power of him 2570 02:05:53,920 --> 02:05:56,840 to just allow us. He may have the clout. 2571 02:05:56,840 --> 02:06:00,600 I mean, it just allows his word carries a lot of weight because 2572 02:06:00,600 --> 02:06:04,680 of he's proved himself both in his behavior and in his 2573 02:06:04,680 --> 02:06:08,960 decisions. But this is the cusp of a new 2574 02:06:08,960 --> 02:06:10,880 thieves. Everything is different and they 2575 02:06:10,880 --> 02:06:14,600 have to deal with all the problems that humanity always 2576 02:06:14,600 --> 02:06:19,520 faces when they when people gain a lot of power, especially when 2577 02:06:19,520 --> 02:06:21,800 people gain a lot of power, all of a sudden, is it going to ruin 2578 02:06:21,800 --> 02:06:22,200 them? Is it? 2579 02:06:22,280 --> 02:06:25,920 Are they going to be corrupted by their own power, or, thanks 2580 02:06:25,920 --> 02:06:31,040 to their rather unusually moral leadership, will they actually 2581 02:06:31,040 --> 02:06:33,400 do some things differently? Are they going to be bullies? 2582 02:06:33,640 --> 02:06:35,080 Are they going to be? True leaders, or are they? 2583 02:06:35,080 --> 02:06:37,680 Going to be little of both, we'll see. 2584 02:06:38,600 --> 02:06:41,800 We said kings and tyrants would alter their plans in the wake of 2585 02:06:41,800 --> 02:06:45,400 Thebes victory at Lutra, but the ground kept shifting. 2586 02:06:45,400 --> 02:06:49,960 Who can make plans when more kings and more leaders keep 2587 02:06:49,960 --> 02:06:54,320 dying right afterwards? So the smoke hasn't cleared. 2588 02:06:54,320 --> 02:06:58,840 We had a whole battle and I was trying to get to the smoke 2589 02:06:58,840 --> 02:07:01,200 clearing after the battle, but the smoke just got thicker, my 2590 02:07:01,200 --> 02:07:03,000 friends. But that's it's a very 2591 02:07:03,000 --> 02:07:07,880 interesting, fun type of smoke. If we recap a little bit, 2592 02:07:07,880 --> 02:07:11,040 Macedon saw the death of their king, Amontos the Third. 2593 02:07:11,120 --> 02:07:12,920 His son Alexander the second takes over. 2594 02:07:13,120 --> 02:07:16,960 Sparta lost a king in 371 before this episode and then their 10 2595 02:07:16,960 --> 02:07:20,240 year old king dies in this episode of natural causes less 2596 02:07:20,240 --> 02:07:23,320 than a year later. Jason is assassinated, then his 2597 02:07:23,320 --> 02:07:26,240 brother kills his other brother, then his nephew kills that 2598 02:07:26,240 --> 02:07:27,640 brother. Prince. 2599 02:07:27,640 --> 02:07:31,640 Darius and Tirabazzis failed in their coup and lost their lives. 2600 02:07:31,640 --> 02:07:34,120 Darius whole branch of the family lost his lives. 2601 02:07:34,640 --> 02:07:38,560 But Tirabazzis family I didn't mention that anything else 2602 02:07:38,560 --> 02:07:40,360 didn't happen to them. They will continue to do 2603 02:07:40,360 --> 02:07:43,120 interesting things. Darius may. 2604 02:07:43,200 --> 02:07:45,920 Some Persians may wish that Tirabazzis whole family was 2605 02:07:45,920 --> 02:07:47,920 wiped out too. That's a lot. 2606 02:07:47,960 --> 02:07:50,200 That's a lot of power vacuums. And those power vacuums are 2607 02:07:50,200 --> 02:07:52,560 still happening. Some of them are big power 2608 02:07:52,560 --> 02:07:55,040 vacuums, like the one left behind by Jason. 2609 02:07:55,600 --> 02:07:58,560 Some of them are kind of uncertain, like Prince Darius, 2610 02:07:58,800 --> 02:08:01,600 and some of them are very much ongoing, like Mintas the Third. 2611 02:08:02,200 --> 02:08:05,280 And As for those deaths of Kings and Sparta, well, we'll see what 2612 02:08:05,280 --> 02:08:07,440 kind of difference that makes. We'll see if that's just a blip 2613 02:08:07,440 --> 02:08:11,200 for them or something that proves to be a much bigger 2614 02:08:11,200 --> 02:08:14,040 problem than they thought because, well, just allow us in 2615 02:08:14,040 --> 02:08:15,600 desert. Our desert seas are still 2616 02:08:15,600 --> 02:08:20,280 somehow alive, but they're old. That could go any minute. 2617 02:08:20,280 --> 02:08:22,720 That we're not just waiting on an assassin. 2618 02:08:22,760 --> 02:08:25,000 We could be. We could just be waiting on 2619 02:08:25,000 --> 02:08:28,520 Father Time, Mother Nature. Right there. 2620 02:08:28,800 --> 02:08:32,120 Stuff is happening and Artiserxes is facing a revolt. 2621 02:08:32,480 --> 02:08:35,920 Just because Darius's assassination plot didn't work 2622 02:08:35,920 --> 02:08:37,640 doesn't mean there won't be another one, right? 2623 02:08:38,360 --> 02:08:43,040 Similar issue, different scale. Both Sparta and Artiserxes, the 2624 02:08:43,040 --> 02:08:47,600 authoritarian leaders of this era, have lost substantial 2625 02:08:47,600 --> 02:08:51,360 ground and are having to deal with those that were former 2626 02:08:51,360 --> 02:08:53,680 subjects. But just allow us to hates 2627 02:08:53,680 --> 02:08:55,640 thieves. No, friend of you, Pam Anandis, 2628 02:08:55,640 --> 02:08:57,360 that there is some respect there. 2629 02:08:57,520 --> 02:08:59,520 If you're expecting a showdown between those two. 2630 02:08:59,520 --> 02:09:01,760 Good, good, good. It's coming. 2631 02:09:02,080 --> 02:09:05,800 Palopitus is the one that's really going to react the most 2632 02:09:05,800 --> 02:09:10,840 strongly to this Alexander Fierai guy and well, we'll see 2633 02:09:10,840 --> 02:09:13,080 what happens there. It's going to be interesting. 2634 02:09:13,080 --> 02:09:17,440 I'm excited to tell you about Ramsey Bolton versus Brendan 2635 02:09:17,440 --> 02:09:21,320 Stark because yes, as I've said before, that's my pick for 2636 02:09:21,320 --> 02:09:23,080 palapa. This is parallel. 2637 02:09:24,480 --> 02:09:28,640 So we'll see Ramsey begin ramseying and we'll see what 2638 02:09:28,640 --> 02:09:31,600 Brandon Stark does about it. Like a song, the vice inspire. 2639 02:09:31,600 --> 02:09:34,320 We have so many nations and players and interesting figures 2640 02:09:34,320 --> 02:09:37,720 that we can go ours without some of them being heard from. 2641 02:09:37,720 --> 02:09:40,440 We barely heard from Athens today, for example. 2642 02:09:40,440 --> 02:09:41,920 They mostly sat on the sidelines. 2643 02:09:41,920 --> 02:09:44,120 But that can only last for so long, right? 2644 02:09:44,400 --> 02:09:45,560 Right. Exactly. 2645 02:09:45,560 --> 02:09:47,720 By the next episode, they'll be right back in the swing of 2646 02:09:47,720 --> 02:09:50,440 things. We didn't even mention Cabrius 2647 02:09:50,440 --> 02:09:55,120 or Focion or Timotheus. I did mention Plato, but he's 2648 02:09:55,120 --> 02:09:57,640 not exactly a military leader. Important guy Athenian. 2649 02:09:58,400 --> 02:10:01,320 They will return to take part in what can only be described as 2650 02:10:01,320 --> 02:10:04,200 barely controlled chaos. Very interesting and fun. 2651 02:10:04,200 --> 02:10:06,040 Barely controlled chaos. Barely controlled. 2652 02:10:06,160 --> 02:10:08,280 Barely controlled as BCC. It's almost. 2653 02:10:08,280 --> 02:10:11,120 BCI told you this episode will resemble A Storm of Swords. 2654 02:10:11,120 --> 02:10:13,080 I hope you agree. I hope it lived up to that. 2655 02:10:13,280 --> 02:10:17,640 Well, after A Storm of Swords is a feast for crows indeed. 2656 02:10:18,080 --> 02:10:21,280 That is what I think this next episode will feel a lot like. 2657 02:10:21,760 --> 02:10:24,080 Power vacuums taking a lot more lives. 2658 02:10:24,600 --> 02:10:30,040 Crows feasting on the dead and dying, Kingdoms being pickings 2659 02:10:30,040 --> 02:10:34,240 for someone stronger. Our trivia question was what was 2660 02:10:34,240 --> 02:10:37,320 used to barely hold the Sword of Damocles aloft? 2661 02:10:38,040 --> 02:10:42,640 A single horse hair. Did anyone get that Dom said a 2662 02:10:42,640 --> 02:10:44,640 hair? He didn't say the horse hair. 2663 02:10:44,640 --> 02:10:46,280 close enough. That's definitely close enough. 2664 02:10:46,320 --> 02:10:49,800 Yeah. Good job, Dom Shout out to 2665 02:10:50,000 --> 02:10:53,000 Folkwise. Twitch channel their most 2666 02:10:53,000 --> 02:10:55,760 Tuesdays episodes. Are they on hiatus right now? 2667 02:10:55,800 --> 02:11:00,240 Yeah, they're working on a conference that they're doing a 2668 02:11:00,240 --> 02:11:04,920 Folk wise event, so they're throwing all their energies 2669 02:11:04,920 --> 02:11:07,640 especially into that. I had an occasional stream still 2670 02:11:08,000 --> 02:11:09,320 cool. Well, check out Folk wise. 2671 02:11:09,320 --> 02:11:10,520 Look at their Twitch page. They'll have it. 2672 02:11:10,520 --> 02:11:13,960 I'm sure there's a we'll be back on type notification there and 2673 02:11:13,960 --> 02:11:16,400 if not, you'll just subscribe or something and you'll get the 2674 02:11:16,400 --> 02:11:17,640 notification when they come back on. 2675 02:11:18,280 --> 02:11:20,680 Thank you all very much for hanging out today. 2676 02:11:20,680 --> 02:11:23,000 I had a. Lot of fun with this, as I 2677 02:11:23,000 --> 02:11:25,440 always do. I spend honestly more time with 2678 02:11:25,440 --> 02:11:27,720 this than a lot of some of these Song of Ice and Fire topics 2679 02:11:27,720 --> 02:11:29,840 because I have more to learn. I have more to learn about. 2680 02:11:29,840 --> 02:11:31,440 This, you know, there's. Just things that I just don't 2681 02:11:31,440 --> 02:11:33,200 know. Whereas of course I've been 2682 02:11:33,200 --> 02:11:37,800 studying A Song of Ice and Fire for for 12 years as a podcaster 2683 02:11:37,800 --> 02:11:39,840 and 10 years before. That as a fan. 2684 02:11:40,040 --> 02:11:43,920 So anyway, someone here, apparently Ashea, put a note 2685 02:11:43,920 --> 02:11:46,680 here for me that says the channel called Fig Tree. 2686 02:11:46,880 --> 02:11:49,280 There's a channel called Fig Tree that is being recommended 2687 02:11:49,280 --> 02:11:51,040 to me. Well, I'll say that out loud 2688 02:11:51,040 --> 02:11:53,000 because if it's a good recommendation for me, it might 2689 02:11:53,000 --> 02:11:55,400 be for you all as well. Either way, I will report back 2690 02:11:55,400 --> 02:11:58,520 on that because I'm always interested in new content along 2691 02:11:58,520 --> 02:12:01,080 these lines. We'll be back with more, more 2692 02:12:01,080 --> 02:12:04,320 thieves and Sparta and Athens and Persia and some of the other 2693 02:12:04,320 --> 02:12:06,000 nations we haven't heard from in a while. 2694 02:12:06,280 --> 02:12:10,600 Some big entanglements, some tough philosophical and moral 2695 02:12:10,600 --> 02:12:13,560 situations, and of course, a lot more blood. 2696 02:12:13,880 --> 02:12:16,800 A lot of cities are going to take their opportunity to throw 2697 02:12:16,800 --> 02:12:19,520 off what they perceive as the Spartan yoke, and it will not 2698 02:12:19,760 --> 02:12:21,320 be. Peaceful. 2699 02:12:21,840 --> 02:12:25,840 Until next time, my friends will certainly be returning with more 2700 02:12:25,840 --> 02:12:28,320 Song of Ice and Fire content and before the next. 2701 02:12:28,320 --> 02:12:30,520 Episode of this. But there will be lots more 2702 02:12:30,520 --> 02:12:32,280 coming. Until then, you know what to do, 2703 02:12:32,280 --> 02:12:36,200 my friends. Valar Riritis.