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The Summer Isles, a place that 
just by the sound of it, brings 

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to mind the polar solar opposite
of what much of A Song of Ice 

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and Fire has been slowly and 
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A long night too. 
A mega winter. 

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We hope the books will end with 
some kind of summer, and we know

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it won't be overwhelmingly 
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that he said bittersweet is the 
emotional ending he's aiming 

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for. 
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islands are almost a goal, an 
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one in terms of what we might 
hope Westerosi culture looks 

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like when it's said and done. 
And that'll just mean in terms 

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of weather, though, that's 
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Not just because they might not 
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by the original Long Night, 
which is a pretty interesting 

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tidbit to consider in this 
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their value systems are, shall 
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ways. 
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they produce happier 
individuals, people who are more

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likely to live lives free from 
suffering and less likely to 

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inflict suffering on others. 
They arguably have a more 

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sophisticated view of sex, and 
they definitely have a better 

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way of handling warfare and 
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Not to mention they have 
superior technology in many 

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areas, especially shipbuilding, 
navigation, and associated 

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ideas. 
This is in part because their 

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culture is not overwhelmed by 
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pretty far out there. 
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evolution of a culture that 
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else. 
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Westeros despite this. 
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violence is a huge part of who 
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after all. 
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because they are less so. 
It's a point of comparison. 

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The Summer Islands is in a lot 
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extremes. 
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environment. 
Geography does play a huge role.

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If God was a therapist, they'd 
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therapy than most those 
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And we see this positive 
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Gilly and Eamon catch a ride on 
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And especially Sam and Gilly are
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out with regular summer 
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It's a rare glimpse, the 
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get to see a non Westerosi 
culture doing just non Westerosi

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things this day-to-day normal 
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And the Westerosi who were there
observing it are in the small 

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minority. 
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And and they're not no nobility 
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summer Islanders living their 
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We don't get a lot like that. 
George RR Martin himself lives 

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in the American southwest. 
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it is where he's settled. 
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his own world, he would also 
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Planetos, not the southwest of 
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Although that isn't, that's 
probably the best place there if

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you want to pick like the Arbor 
or something like that. 

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But why not choose the Summer 
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The southwest of planets. 
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essentially. 
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realist, if not nothing else. 
Plenty of the Summer Islanders 

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out there are villainous or 
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We've seen them in fighting 
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Some of the cell swords are 
brave companions. 

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We've seen them as pirates, 
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So, yeah, this isn't some 
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That's all one way, you know, 
it's it's very diverse and 

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produces people of all kinds. 
But by and large, those 

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individuals operate away from 
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where violent behavior is less 
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There's more profit to be made 
being a violent person elsewhere

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in the world. 
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living through violence in 
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shows what kind of environment 
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That's always our focus, right? 
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lot of ways. 
This episode, a collection of 

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lore and characters and thoughts
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A Song of Ice and Fire may never
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Maybe other stories in the 
future in Georgia or Martin's 

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World mites. 
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Maybe some people will retire 
there at the end, or they'll 

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flee to the Summer Islands to 
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Either way, their technological 
advances in bows, ships, 

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beverages, and other things have
them appearing all over the 

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story, popping up in interesting
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And we've got all that and more 
on this episode of History of 

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Hello and welcome back 

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She's doing great things as 
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She helped us a lot with this 
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What was Asha's upbringing like 
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happened? 
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maybe be like a lot of other 
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maybe married off somewhere. 
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before things changed? 
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It's a long list as as often the
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So I've got a a long list at the
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Also at the end of this episode 
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question. 
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wood Golden heart is the second 
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world of Planetos. 
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from the Summer Isles. 
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material for making bows. 
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the series use a dragon bone 
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Who is that? 
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and a Song of Ice and Fire 
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mostly just listens, this might 
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peek at the video, especially if
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Let me read the section headers 
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These are all the different 
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First mention as usual, we start
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Then geography, the Isles of 
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are the main three Isles there. 
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because there's over 50 exports 
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Golden Heart, Flora and fauna, 
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trees, the age of Exploration, 
gods and worship, war and 

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slavery, the swan ships, 
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characters, including Jala 
Bargeau, the Cinnamon Wind, all 

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the characters on that Black 
Balak, Tal Torak, Shataya, and 

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Ala ya Ya. 
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week and then finish with some 
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with Sorella Sand and her 
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and then an outro. 
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With that first mention in her 
first chapter, Daenerys goes to 

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be introduced to Drogo for the 
first time, and as she looks 

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around at the gathered guests, 
she has an observation or two. 

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She realizes it's a majority of 
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Yet among them moved Bravos and 
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and Thai Roche, a red priest 
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men from the port of Ibn and 
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with skin as black as Ebony. 
Daenerys looked at them all in 

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wonder and realized with a 
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was the only woman there. 
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I mean, we have Ali, Ya ya, 
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summer Islanders we encounter 
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By that, I mean, George Cooley 
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black. 
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and, like, very colorful. 
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place. 
It's obviously a warm place, but

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at this point, he, George, 
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Westeros, let alone what's in 
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It's its own place. 
It isn't associated with any 

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continent, so George may not 
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relative gender quality. 
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but there is more quality in the
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Maybe he, if he had to do over 
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Princess among here as well. 
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called them Lords from the 
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don't we don't really have that.
But that's fine because Danny 

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doesn't know better. 
Danny would think of them as 

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Lords because she doesn't know 
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She's what, 12 in this scene? 
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little bit of unreliable 
narrator here, which helps serve

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to obscure some of what George 
may not have finished developing

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yet. 
The feather cloaks, like I said,

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these guys aren't wearing the 
feather cloaks, but we see them 

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almost right away because she 
sees one for sale and based oath

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rack at the at the market that 
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So that was clearly an early 
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But yeah, in the long run, we do
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an exception in many ways. 
They kind of stand out even in 

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this scene. 
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treatment of gender, but there's
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And that in turn, the treatment 
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treatment of sexuality, which is
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They have a religious 
enshrinement of their how they 

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handle sexuality, which serves 
to solidify it, make it 

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traditional and take root and 
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It's not just, it wasn't just 
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cultural thing. 
No, it's religiously enshrined 

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and that's why it has longevity.
They're an isolated people, but 

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also experts at seamanship. 
Those two things kind of go 

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together, although not all 
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have become good at seamanship. 
So it's certainly not a foregone

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conclusion. 
It's just something that makes 

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sense. 
So navigation and trade, very 

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common professions in the Summer
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On the 18th night of their 
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sweet amber from the Summer 
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the way N from Cast of the Rock 
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the history and properties of 
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a few rare volumes from the 
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them for the ride north. 
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finest wines in Westeros come 
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are the farthest South. 
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wine from grapes isn't really 
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climate. 
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by this point though, but he 
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Summer Isles. 
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guess this is not grape wine. 
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Fire, sure enough, we hear that 
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is palm wine, which is really 
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grapes. 
It's made from palm SAP from a 

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variety of different types of 
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from these different palm trees 
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wine. 
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was drinking was palm wine. 
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absolutely, it's very sweet. 
It's made from SAP and it's kind

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of kind of a fun take from the 
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So yeah, it's not something you 
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whiskey as country whiskey, but 
it's not all. 

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But anyway, it's good. 
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Hot Toddy comes from because a 
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popular in India and other 
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arriving at King's Landing 
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Yet now the banners that flew 
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golden, not black, and where the
three headed dragon had once 

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breathed fire, now pranced the 
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A high masted Swanship from the 
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from port, it's white sails huge
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but this is how world building 
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These are the little details we 
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paint a fuller picture. 
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capitol of Westeros, is going to
have people from all over, which

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means an opportunity for our 
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examples of these other places. 
It's a perfect chance to show us

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ships from other places and to 
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else is out there. 
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the most prolific trading 
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interesting and technologically 
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And the sum Morales is memorable
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It's not a true like name, name 
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or Westeros, right? 
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word is what you're hearing. 
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themselves don't call it that is
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when they were coming up as a 
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infancy as a as a people, we 
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there was a rest of the world. 
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their whole world. 
They wouldn't have called it the

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Summer Isles. 
They would have just called it 

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the world. 
That's everything to them. 

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And that name probably sticks 
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been that way for thousands of 
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They don't. 
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world just because they 
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people in it. 
So they don't call it the Summer

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Isles, but I'm sure they also 
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For example, Jamaica means rich 

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in springs. 
No one calls it rich in springs 

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land. 
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Isles is. 
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They call it Jamaica. 
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either. 
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offshoot. 
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mainland and they were the first
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South America. 
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similar. 
It's they call it Zamaka or 

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Hamaka. 
It's it's XAYMACA. 

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So it's kind of similar to 
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So even the meaning is basically
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But it's an interesting point 
about perspective, like who's 

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naming these things? 
Is this the native name for it 

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or is this the outsider's name 
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What do the natives call it if 
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it? 
Or what do the outsiders call it

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if this is the native name for 
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Like these things don't have 
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place where people don't have 
like universal connectivity or 

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things like the Internet. 
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Internet, things like the 
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invented before the Internet. 
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connectivity and and different 
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perspectives. 
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of real life peoples in in the 
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uncontacted tribes and say, the 
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Amazon. 
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tend to be effectively Stone Age
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quite advanced. 
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advanced right away. 
They weren't advanced in a lot 

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of ways when they discovered the
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than they thought is part of 
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technological advancement, 
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Or maybe this thing about names.
Maybe we should just be 

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listening to what Olenna, the 
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the matter. 
Quote Marjorie. 

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You're clever. 
Be a dear and tell your poor old

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half daft grandmother the name 
of that queer fish from the 

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Summer Isles that puffs up to 10
times its own size when you poke

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it. 
They. 

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Call them Puff fish, Grandmother
of. 

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Course they do. 
Summer Islanders have no 

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imagination. 
That's why it's just the Summer 

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Isles. 
That's not a very descriptive 

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no. 
She then goes on to say how 

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Mace, her own son, should use a 
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So got to love Olenna. 
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Ned for A Game of Thrones. 
First time he arrives at the 

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Small Council chamber freshly 
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Quote. 
The chamber was richly 

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furnished. 
Mirish carpets covered the floor

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instead of rushes, and in one 
corner 100 fabulous beasts 

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cavorted in bright paints on a 
carved screen from the Summer 

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Isles. 
The walls were hung with 

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tapestries from Norvos and Kohor
and Lise, and a pair of Valyrian

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sphinxes flanked the door, eyes 
of polished garnet smoldering in

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black marble faces. 
So we're still very early in the

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world building as I've been 
saying and moving through these 

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examples, you can clearly see 
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environment he had in mind, a 
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Part of Africa, things like 
that, similar Equatorial range 

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because of this, like these rare
woods, that's a feature of 

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places like Brazil and Africa 
where the rarest woods and most 

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sought after woods in the world 
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And a lot of these timber 
industries set up in the 

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Caribbean to do exporting. 
So this is a great example. 

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George is like, OK, So what 
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from these different places? 
Valyria, well, they got 

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sphinxes, they got tapestries 
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But the Summer Isles, that's 
where the fancy carved wood and 

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bright paints colors are 
something we already associate 

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with them. 
And the carved woods are we do 

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now. 
But at this point, this is the 

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first time I think we see the 
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thing and and it becomes just 
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Summer Isles. 
So that's pretty cool. 

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I like that they do have the 
most sought afterwards in the 

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world. 
So George, even though it was 

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early, he'd already established 
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And what's interesting too here 
is that this is these aren't 

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just luxury goods. 
These are royal luxury goods. 

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This is what the king and queen 
have decorated the Red Keep 

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with. 
It's the ultra most fanciest 

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stuff they can find. 
And it's includes these exotic 

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things from the Summer Isles. 
There's things from all over, 

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including the Summer Isles. 
They're not thought of as like a

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lesser people. 
They produce extremely great 

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luxury goods and their work 
shows up in the palaces and 

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castles of the elites. 
Here's another example from 

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Sansa 2 watching the tournament 
in a Game of Thrones quote Jane.

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Poole confessed herself 
frightened by the look of 

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Jalibar Zoe, an exiled Prince 
from the Summer Isles who wore a

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Cape of green and scarlet 
feathers over skin as dark as 

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night. 
He's actually the first person 

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from the Summer Isles that we 
see. 

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He's from Red Flower Vale, a 
place we've got on tap for 

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today. 
Immediately you see how colorful

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he is. 
Even though Jane is is scared of

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well, it doesn't say why he's 
why she's scared. 

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If it's just his skin or just 
the bright colors or who knows, 

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just that he looks so different.
Not the only person that reacts 

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to some seeing a black person 
for the first time, you know, 

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like, Oh my gosh, I've never 
seen skin like that. 

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But of course, since a black 
person from the aisles who's 

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never seen a white person before
would probably react similarly 

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like whoa, I've never seen skin 
color like that before. 

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Most people aren't afraid of 
just different skin color, but 

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that is a realistic thing for 
the occasional person to be 

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like, whoa, I've never seen that
before. 

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So sticking with her Sandor 
escorting Sansa to her chamber. 

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Sticking with Sansa, here we go.
Quote Sandor. 

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Clegane stopped suddenly in the 
middle of a dark and empty 

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field. 
She had no choice but to stop 

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beside him. 
Some SEPTA trained you well. 

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You're like one of those birds 
from the Summer Isles, aren't 

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you? 
A Pretty Little talking bird, 

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repeating all the Pretty Little 
words they taught you to recite.

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Parrots, Sandor. 
They're called parrots. 

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Yes, and they parrot what you 
teach them. 

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Hey, that's why they're called 
that. 

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Ah, you. 
You might wonder where a man 

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like Sandor Clegane learned 
about parrots. 

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But he's been around the 
Lannisters his whole life. 

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I'm sure they have rich people 
stuff that I'm sure they've seen

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a parrot at least a few times. 
Maybe, Maybe several for the 

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summer Islanders who tried to 
sell them some, Right. 

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Maybe. 
Maybe it'd even work. 

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Maybe. 
Maybe Joanna Lannister bought a 

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parrot. 
I doubt Tywin would. 

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It would be annoying to him. 
He doesn't want anyone repeating

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his plans. 
Yeah, parrots are a security 

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risk. 
They're like, they're like 

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Furbies in the Pentagon. 
You can't have recording 

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devices. 
Parrots are basically recording 

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devices anyway. 
So they. 

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Again, this is so clever to me, 
like looking for these little 

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hints. 
And this is what makes making 

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episodes like this for me 
particularly fun is this is such

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a small little thing, like the 
the point of the scene has 

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nothing to do with Paris. 
It's just a way to refer to what

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Santa's doing. 
But it does absolutely serve as 

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world building. 
This is more little tidbits that

452
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,280
add up to something that add up 
to a a full picture of the 

453
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:15,640
Summer Isles. 
We we've learned about the 

454
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,080
feather cloaks. 
Now we know where the feathers 

455
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:18,840
come from. 
We've seen a few examples of 

456
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,600
summer Islanders actually should
correct myself. 

457
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,880
I said Jalibarjo is the first 
one we see That's not true. 

458
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,680
We see those ones with Danny, 
but they are unidentified. 

459
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,240
The first one we see with a 
name, I should say about 

460
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,520
Jalibar. 
So we've gotten to see a few 

461
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:32,800
people. 
We've gotten to see how a few 

462
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,440
people how they dress. 
We've gotten to see some 

463
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,720
information about their 
geography, some information 

464
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,720
about their flora and fauna and 
about their wood. 

465
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,760
So that's a lot without ever 
going there or anyone having a 

466
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,760
conversation about it. 
These are just a little bit 

467
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,160
here, a little bit there, a 
little bit here. 

468
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,840
Oh, and of course I didn't even 
mention in my rundown there the 

469
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,120
swan ship the the Catlin saw. 
So we also see that they are 

470
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,280
advanced semen in the Game of 
Thrones appendix. 

471
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:04,040
We hear or read that the oh, 
maybe here. 

472
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,120
If you listen to the audio book,
the Ironborn occasionally raid 

473
00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:09,920
the Summer Isles. 
I'm guessing that, yeah, that's 

474
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,640
that's pretty far from them. 
But it's not as far as you know,

475
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,680
it's about as far as like the 
step stones or other places. 

476
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,000
It's a challenging place for 
them to go, not just because the

477
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,080
Summer Isles are are so good at 
archery and it's sailing 

478
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,640
themselves, but because they 
have to go into the open ocean 

479
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,600
to get there and long ships 
aren't great at that so it is 

480
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,920
extra daring. 
So I doubt this is a common 

481
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,920
occurrence and I think it's 
probably less common than it 

482
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,960
used to be when the when the 
Ironborn were particularly 

483
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,960
powerful when they ruled the 
West Coast of Westeros. 

484
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,080
I bet the Summer Isles got 
raided a lot. 

485
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:45,040
But the Ironborn are weaker now 
and even though they have to 

486
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,160
travel farther to raid because, 
right, they used to be able to 

487
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,200
raid the West Coast of Westeros 
and there's no one to stop them 

488
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,040
now under the Iron Throne. 
If they do that well, they get 

489
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,920
in big trouble. 
But back in the day, before 

490
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,920
there was an Iron Throne, yeah, 
now they probably focused on 

491
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,120
Westeros more. 
So ironically, once the Iron 

492
00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:02,680
Throne is in place and says no, 
you can't raid Westeros, the the

493
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,040
Ironborn will go farther and 
wider. 

494
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,600
We talked about that in the Red 
Kraken episode. 

495
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,000
That's why the Red Kraken spent 
so much time in the step stones,

496
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,280
because they weren't allowed to 
raid in Westeros. 

497
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,280
Same thing here. 
Some of the Ironborn probably 

498
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,680
raid the Summer Isles during the
time of the Iron Throne because 

499
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,360
they were permitted even by 
their own Lords to raid in the 

500
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,880
in the West. 
So that's something I wonder 

501
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,080
about, you know, like how how 
often that happens, what those 

502
00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:27,240
encounters look like. 
I imagine a lot of times it 

503
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,200
doesn't go very well for the 
Ironborn, but surely there's 

504
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,000
sometimes where it did or they 
would probably never do it. 

505
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:34,520
Maybe they're just that 
stubborn. 

506
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaking of that great distance,
let's talk about the geography. 

507
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,840
An easy way to describe the 
placement of the Summer Isles is

508
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,720
directly South of the Narrow 
Sea. 

509
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,680
Don't forget the Narrow Sea is 
the body of water between Essos 

510
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,640
and Westeros. 
So just take that body of water 

511
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:52,800
there and just go straight 
South. 

512
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,520
And there you go. 
And here is the description. 

513
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,240
Quote South. 
Of Westeros Cradled in the deep 

514
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,720
blue waters of the Summer Sea, 
the Summer Isles bask in the 

515
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,640
warm southern sun. 
More than fifty islands make up 

516
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,800
this verdant archipelago. 
Many are so small a man could 

517
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:16,880
walk across them in an hour. 
But Jala, largest of the aisles,

518
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,240
stretches 200 leagues from tip 
to tip. 

519
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,280
Just the tips, as a reminder, 
200 leagues is 600 miles. 

520
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,760
It's 3 to 1 ratio there. 
The wall is 100 leagues, which 

521
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,960
is 300 miles, etcetera. 
The Sunset Sea is to the West, 

522
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,600
which is, you know, the sunsets 
in the West, so that figures. 

523
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,120
And the Summer Sea is to the 
east. 

524
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,440
So the all these seas have some 
colorful names. 

525
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:45,360
Wolanu and Umboru are the other 
two major Isles next to Jala. 

526
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,960
Wolano. 
Wolano and Umboru combined are 

527
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:53,680
less than half the size of Jala 
and each are larger than all the

528
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,800
step stones combined. 
So they're pretty darn big. 

529
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,960
And those three islands out of 
the 50 have 90% of the 

530
00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:03,320
population of the Summer Isles. 
We have some fun here. 

531
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,840
We, we, we, we got the idea to 
kind of go deep with our 

532
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,520
comparisons. 
So Shay and I played around with

533
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,040
this this week comparing the 
summer AL's to other Westerosi 

534
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,200
regions. 
She did a little Photoshop work 

535
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,960
here to kind of mash them all 
together, just kind of get an 

536
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,440
idea of what their total size is
and we can overlay that on some 

537
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,080
other Westerosi regions. 
So, Shay, I won't you tell us 

538
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,880
where you're where you're laying
them right now. 

539
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:31,960
Yeah, I, I did one mock up that 
was kind of the shape of Dorn. 

540
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,480
So I could see what it looked 
like overlaid over Dorn, trying 

541
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,400
to keep, you know, overlap at 
minimum and leave some gaps 

542
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,240
because there would be lakes and
rivers and such and, and all of 

543
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,640
that. 
And as you can see, it's, I 

544
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:50,160
think probably around the size 
or a tiny bit larger than Dorn. 

545
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,840
And then I did another mock up, 
as you can see here, where I 

546
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,200
made it into like a ball shape 
so that we could put it over 

547
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,440
places like the Riverlands. 
Bigger than the Riverlands, I 

548
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:06,640
believe the Vale, roughly the 
size of the Vale, obviously 

549
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,840
smaller than than the North. 
We don't even need to look at 

550
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,880
that. 
Obviously much larger than the 

551
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:15,920
Iron Islands, maybe the size 
bigger than the the West, 

552
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,280
smaller than the Reach, 
definitely bigger here than the 

553
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,120
Stormlands. 
So I think that's a good way to 

554
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,360
look at it. 
It was pretty fun to to to pick 

555
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,240
up each island and combine them.
All the tiny islands, all the 

556
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:30,880
big ones. 
I love doing it. 

557
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,040
Yeah, that was fun. 
For us and to play with, I liked

558
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,280
watching what you came up with 
with that. 

559
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,400
So really the Somewhere Else are
quite big. 

560
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,600
If it was a restaurateur region,
it would be the third or fourth 

561
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,400
biggest region. 
We don't know how to compare the

562
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,600
population figures, but it seems
like they're reasonably popular.

563
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,800
I mean, Wilano, which we're 
about to talk about, has two 

564
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,800
notable towns and a city. 
West Coast itself only has five 

565
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:59,880
cities on the entire continent. 
So anyway, let's move on Wilano.

566
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,560
Here is a quote about the 
islands right here though. 

567
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,200
Jala is the largest of the 
Summer Isles. 

568
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:12,880
Wilano is the most populous. 
There can be found Last Lament 

569
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:18,600
with its great harbor, sleepy 
Lotus point and sun dappled Tall

570
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:23,840
trees town where priestesses in 
feathered robes carve songs and 

571
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:28,840
stories into the trunks of the 
enormous tower trees that shade 

572
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,480
the town. 
Milano is the northernmost of 

573
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,800
the three major islands. 
If you could go straight S from 

574
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,600
Sunspier, you would hit it on 
your way. 

575
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:44,440
I love the idea that Last Lament
has a great harbor because that 

576
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,440
leads me to believe that it's 
where a lot of the Swan ships 

577
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,760
are launched from or are able to
dock. 

578
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,360
Because without sufficient 
anchorage or a deep enough 

579
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,080
harbor, those big old ships 
wouldn't be able to get close to

580
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:00,360
shore. 
You need to be careful with that

581
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,400
sort of thing, Kind of things 
that some rounders would have 

582
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,920
worked out long in advance, but 
the kind of thing for us to be 

583
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,880
aware of, because it's not just 
as simple as like the Ironborn 

584
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,240
long ships, which have such a 
shallow draft they can go almost

585
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:11,560
anywhere. 
Like they can be picked up and 

586
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,280
carried over land and then 
dropped in the water again. 

587
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,320
You definitely can't do that 
with a Swan ship. 

588
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,600
So we have this place called 
Last Lament. 

589
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,760
Besides that, it's great harbor.
We don't know a whole lot about 

590
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:24,600
it other than that it's the last
place, the last population 

591
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:29,320
center before you hit the water 
north than the northern seas on 

592
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,760
the southern coast. 
There's actually more going on. 

593
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,200
It's more of a population 
center. 

594
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,080
Apparently you've got the town 
of Lotus Port, which is 

595
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,440
sometimes called Lotus Point in 
the literature. 

596
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,880
So I think that one of those 
might have been a typo before, 

597
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,320
or maybe they just have multiple
names. 

598
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,760
Doesn't doesn't really matter, 
as we've said in the real world 

599
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,480
places have multiple names all 
the time, so who cares? 

600
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,280
It's realistic. 
There's Tall Trees Town, which 

601
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,360
was mentioned there in the 
quote, and that's of course very

602
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,760
important 'cause it's where 
their history is carved into the

603
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,120
trees. 
We've got a section on that a 

604
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,520
little bit later. 
We even hear during A Feast for 

605
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:06,760
Crows that a Corsair king from 
the Basilisk Isles raided Tall 

606
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,960
Trees Town. 
And it's not the first time we 

607
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,360
hear of Tall Trees Town being 
raided. 

608
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,360
It happened during the time of 
Aegon the Conqueror as well. 

609
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,800
We'll mention that later. 
So if you look at the map again,

610
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,560
just as a glance to see how far 
the Summer Isles are from 

611
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,680
everything else, it's actually 
not that far from a lot of 

612
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,680
places. 
Like, Wolano is closer to 

613
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,520
Sunspear than Sunspear is to 
Storm's End. 

614
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,480
And Sunspear and Storm's End 
have been enemies for forever. 

615
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,600
Of course they have a, you know,
overland connection, which makes

616
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,920
it all more sensible. 
But just to give you an idea, 

617
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,640
yeah, it's not as far as you 
might think, given how isolated 

618
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,080
they were. 
I mean, it's not that far from 

619
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,160
Old Town, the Arbor Starfall, 
I'm not sure Starfall's taking a

620
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,480
lot of big ships, but still, 
it's it's close by. 

621
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,320
It's still relevant. 
Elise and Volantis in terms of 

622
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:56,520
what's going on in on Essos, 
it's reasonable to assume these 

623
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,680
are all among the most frequent 
trading partners. 

624
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,280
But because Swan Ship sails so 
far and wide, it certainly goes 

625
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,920
beyond that too. 
And in this includes places not 

626
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,280
on our maps. 
And by our maps, I mean 

627
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,480
Westerosi maps, because that's 
what we have. 

628
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,760
We only have Westerosi maps. 
And we know for a fact that the 

629
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,360
Summer Islanders have better 
maps than the Westerosi maps. 

630
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,680
It's kind of a little bit of a 
subtle world building plot point

631
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,920
there that they know more about 
the world than the Westerosi do.

632
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,440
They've been working on it 
longer. 

633
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,720
It's I mean, they've been, they 
care about it more. 

634
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,920
It's been a more focus of their 
culture, etcetera. 

635
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,520
And they also haven't been 
spending effort building 

636
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,960
warships for so long that most 
of nearly every ship they build 

637
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,760
is a ship designed for 
exploration and or trade, which 

638
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,280
given that for thousands of 
years, they're going to make 

639
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,240
more progress on the exploration
front. 

640
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:51,480
All right, nearby Isles. 
So we have the Isle of Women, 

641
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,720
which is the also called Abulu. 
It's next to Wilano. 

642
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,080
So it's among the closer places 
to Westeros. 

643
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:01,160
You may recall the Isle of Women
from our Nymeria series. 

644
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,320
There was a whole group of 
Reinar refugees who settled 

645
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,880
there originally just a few 
thousand, originally more than 

646
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,600
that, now a few thousand. 
Because when Nymeria said, never

647
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,920
mind, this isn't going to work, 
we got to go. 

648
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,159
Some of her people were like, 
you know, we're going to stay If

649
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:20,679
all of you leave, we can make 
this work. 

650
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:23,719
We can't make it work with so 
many of us because it's not 

651
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,000
fertile here. 
But if most of you leave, the 

652
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,880
rest of us can make it work. 
So that's still the case. 

653
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,880
So that that's an interesting 
little facet of the Summer Isles

654
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,400
is there's a, a pocket, 
substantial pocket of Roynar 

655
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,679
descendants who have most likely
intermingled with Summer 

656
00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:38,320
Islanders over the years, 
because we're talking at least 

657
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,239
600 years ago. 
Between Jala and Wilano is the 

658
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,400
Smiling Sea. 
That's pretty cool. 

659
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,800
And in between them is on Boro. 
Let's go to the far South. 

660
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,760
We'll, we'll come back to the 
middle one a little bit later or

661
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,400
right afterwards rather. 
Jala, it is the biggest of the 

662
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,159
three. 
As we said, it's the farthest S 

663
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,320
larger than the other two 
combined, but not in population.

664
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,480
Let's not forget it is the 
Wilano is is the smallest but 

665
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,800
has the most people and Jala is 
the biggest and has the fewest 

666
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,160
people of the three big ones 
anyway. 

667
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,840
Of course it has more people 
than the 47 others. 

668
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,200
It's also more remote to the 
rest of the world because it's 

669
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:19,960
much farther S that would put it
days if by sale, if not more 

670
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,280
away from all these other places
that we said are closer. 

671
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:27,640
So if you're a trader, a lot of 
people, you know, you might have

672
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,840
moved to Ilano to be closer to a
lot of the action. 

673
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,200
But you can see why some people 
might want to stay farther back 

674
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,240
to have access to the more 
remote markets. 

675
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,200
Nath might be an exception to a 
place that's closer to it. 

676
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:43,040
But I doubt they have a lot of 
contact with Nath because of the

677
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,800
butterfly disease. 
They might trade there, but they

678
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,440
would know not to stick around, 
right? 

679
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,360
So yeah. 
So they're remote, right? 

680
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,920
This is a we're painting a 
picture of remote but connected 

681
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:57,360
by seas, but it's still very 
civilized and ancient and full 

682
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:58,560
of interest. 
Check this quote out. 

683
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,720
Beneath its towering Green 
Mountains are vast forests, 

684
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:09,640
steaming jungles, beaches of 
green and black sand, mighty 

685
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:14,720
rivers teeming with monstrous 
crocodiles and fertile veils. 

686
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,280
I'll pass on the monstrous 
crocodiles, but the rest sounds 

687
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,000
pretty cool. 
Fertile veils. 

688
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,400
Yeah. 
That's why they're, you know, 

689
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,360
living pretty good. 
They got plenty of fertility. 

690
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,040
They got fruits and and and 
plenty of animals. 

691
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,880
But beaches of green and black 
sand. 

692
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:34,080
That's interesting, Huh? 
I of course knew black sand was 

693
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,480
a thing. 
We've talked way too much about 

694
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,960
volcanoes in in this podcast to 
not know about black sand. 

695
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,920
But So what I learned today is, 
or while making this episode 

696
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,200
rather, is that black sand isn't
always volcanic. 

697
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,320
Usually is, but isn't always. 
There's an example of Langkawi 

698
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,080
in Malaysia, also known as the 
Jewel of Kedah is one such 

699
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:54,880
beach. 
This is an interesting place. 

700
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,240
It used to be a pirate haven. 
Before that it was a Kingdom 

701
00:36:57,240 --> 00:37:00,560
where legends said they'd 
sacrifice a virgin daughter 

702
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,360
whenever a new king was chosen 
or when war was declared. 

703
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,280
Sounds like this place would fit
and planetoast pretty well. 

704
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,640
In the 18th century some woman 
there was accused of adultery 

705
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,160
wrongfully and she uttered a 
curse. 

706
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:16,240
A seven generation curse, which 
sounds like the curse dropped on

707
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,960
the the the royal dynasty of 
France in the beginning of the 

708
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,200
accursed kings, right? 
Or supposedly in real life too, 

709
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,360
but this curse as well. 
Just like that curse which 

710
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,600
seemed to somewhat play out, 
this one did as well. 

711
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,640
The Siamese army came in almost 
immediately after this curse and

712
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:38,080
enslaved the Islanders, leading 
many to credit the curse as the 

713
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,440
reason for that. 
OK, anyway, that is getting a 

714
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:42,640
bit far afield, but it's a 
thought. 

715
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,080
It was an interesting anecdote, 
but this is kind of cool that 

716
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,800
the this jewel of Queda, this 
Langkawi in Malaysia was 

717
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,920
apparently the first part of 
Southeast Asia to emerge from 

718
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,640
the depths in the Cambrian area,
500 Cambrian era, 500 million 

719
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,520
years ago when the continents 
were just forming. 

720
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,040
So that's pretty cool there. 
Let's talk about an original 

721
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:05,480
landmass, right? 
The Caribbean has so many black 

722
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,480
sand beaches that I can't 
possibly list them all. 

723
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,520
That would get boring. 
But Jamaica, Martinique, the 

724
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,560
Dominican, Puerto Rico all have 
black sand beaches right Also. 

725
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:17,720
Hawaii. 
Yes, Hawaii. 

726
00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:21,680
Too, That's right, Hawaii also 
is is maybe also has this next 

727
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,160
one green sand that's also a 
real thing. 

728
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,280
Green sand. 
I was like, OK, black sand. 

729
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,240
I knew that one the green sand. 
George made that up, right? 

730
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:31,640
Nope, he did not. 
It forms under sea. 

731
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,840
It's like a maritime kind of 
deal. 

732
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,480
So it can be very fossil rich. 
It's very popular in gardening 

733
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,600
because of all the nutrients and
it holds moisture really well. 

734
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,240
It it comes in some kind of 
random places. 

735
00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:47,120
New Jersey is a place where it 
it occurs naturally because of 

736
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:51,160
the geological formations on the
shelf there. 

737
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,000
Near the fault line maybe. 
And well, not fault line, but 

738
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,720
near just where the base of the 
continent forms. 

739
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,800
Brazil has a lot of it too. 
Again, I shout out our world 

740
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,440
building episodes. 
I learned so much just doing 

741
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,080
this. 
These research on whether these 

742
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,640
things are real or not. 
I'm like, I expected to be 

743
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,120
fantastical and I'm like, Nope, 
that's real too. 

744
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,520
Golden Heart trees, however, 
that's made-up and the the 

745
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,800
amazing bows that are produced 
from those, we have a whole 

746
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,200
section on that coming up in a 
bit. 

747
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:22,880
It grows on Jala and on Boru, 
but not on Wilano. 

748
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,720
So gold that makes Golden Heart 
a little rarer that it's in the 

749
00:39:25,720 --> 00:39:28,480
two farther aisles and not the 
one that's the closest to the 

750
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,600
trade centers. 
But ultimately that's a small 

751
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,520
difference. 
We're told that there's vast 

752
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,400
forests and jungles, and this is
the same latitude as Sothorios, 

753
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:42,960
so that really tracks. 
Thankfully we don't hear about 

754
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,320
just endless awful diseases 
happening in the Summer Isles 

755
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:51,920
like we do in Zithoria. 
So yeah, there is some river 

756
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,280
valleys here. 
There's a Red Flower Vale to the

757
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,360
east and Sweet Lotus Vale to the
southwest. 

758
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:02,640
Red Flower Vale may sound 
familiar to you because that's 

759
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:06,520
the one that Jalibarjo was 
exiled from and wants to get 

760
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,080
back. 
Sweet Lotus Vale has the city of

761
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,120
Eben Head. 
Near the mouth of the river that

762
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:17,880
Sweet Lotus Vale resides next to
and there's a peninsula there 

763
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,880
called Golden Head. 
And north of that is a small 

764
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,600
group of islands called Lizard 
Head. 

765
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,360
So there's there's also a stone 
head which we'll mention in a 

766
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:27,280
minute. 
So they really a lot of things 

767
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,760
named Head, Eben Head, Golden 
Head, Lizard Head, Stone Head. 

768
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,440
It also kind of looks like each 
of the three major islands has 

769
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,880
exactly 2 large rivers, so 
eastern Jala might actually be 

770
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,520
more remote because it has less 
fresh water, but you know, there

771
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,040
might be rivers and lakes that 
are too small for the maps. 

772
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:47,800
There's a place called Parrot 
Bay South of Jala and three 

773
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,360
islands called the Bones, so 
that's pretty cool. 

774
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,880
The. 
Passage of water the straits 

775
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:59,680
between Amburu and Jala is 
called the Indigo Straits. 

776
00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:01,760
And with that, let's move on to 
Amburu. 

777
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,120
Umburu is the central Isle, the 
middle child of the three. 

778
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,880
We're told today that each of 
the smaller islands has its own 

779
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,480
ruler. 
Each of the 47 islands, at least

780
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,840
the ones that have people on 
them, have a Prince, sort of 

781
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,400
like a sort of like the, the 
iron Isle system, right? 

782
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,560
Like each different island has a
rock king or had not anymore. 

783
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,800
They don't. 
But this still is the case in 

784
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,880
the summer islands. 
They don't have a a united 

785
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:30,800
ruler. 
It's rarely have the Isles been 

786
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,320
united for one purpose. 
We're told later that it's only 

787
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:34,720
about a dozen times it's ever 
happened. 

788
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,880
So that's pretty neat that you 
have individual islands or kind 

789
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:43,320
of individual principalities. 
But the exception is Jala. 

790
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,760
Umboro and Wilano have multiple 
Princess and sometimes they have

791
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:51,280
rivalries, presumably over land 
rights, water rights, the same 

792
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,320
things that Westerassi Lords and
ladies fight over for the most 

793
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,200
part. 
But here's where we see some of 

794
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,280
the geographical advantage. 
There's just less of it. 

795
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,320
There's less borders to fight 
over. 

796
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,320
There's. 
More. 

797
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,360
Of these like deep jungles that 
you don't have a border there. 

798
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,320
It's like, well, that's just a 
natural barrier between the two 

799
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,840
and no one really is going to 
live in that anyway, you know? 

800
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:19,840
So less disputes over who gets 
what naturally laid out. 

801
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,320
By the way, the geography isn't 
that's just, it's just a feature

802
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,520
of the place. 
West of Amburu is the Isle of 

803
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,480
Love. 
Isn't that nice? 

804
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,640
Nearby also are the singing 
stones and a couple island or 

805
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,120
trio of islands, not a couple 
called the Three exiles. 

806
00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:38,640
Lots of colorful names here. 
And these are all the kind of 

807
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,160
things that if there's ever 
I'll, I'm sure I'll repeat this 

808
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:45,360
point later in the episode that 
if we ever get like a show or 

809
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,840
another story or something that 
deals with the summer islands a 

810
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,600
lot or even features them, a lot
of these places will get a lot 

811
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,840
more development, a lot more 
back story, a lot more ideas, 

812
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,960
more just more detail. 
And it'd be kind of fun to if 

813
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,000
that ever happens to, to think 
back on this. 

814
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,320
And when it was all just with a 
few lines, you know, plus 

815
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,520
whatever we can extrapolate, 
whatever we can read between the

816
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,640
lines. 
That's how I feel like when you 

817
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,320
set out to adapt, that's what 
you should be doing anyway. 

818
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,120
Other islands, there's the 
singing Stones. 

819
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,680
They're West of the main aisles.
They have jagged peaks so 

820
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,840
riddled with holes and Airways. 
It's like it makes a sound. 

821
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,120
The wind blows through it 
creates noises and and sounds 

822
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,080
musical. 
The people who live on these 

823
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,400
aisles, because they're not 
deserted, they're not, they are 

824
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:32,720
populated, can tell the 
direction of the wind just by 

825
00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:35,520
the sound of the song it's 
blowing like the, you know, be 

826
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,840
like a musician that knows 
particular wind instrument 

827
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,000
really well. 
I can tell you, OK, I can tell 

828
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,480
you where the fingers are placed
because of I can tell you what 

829
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,760
notes that is similar, similar 
concept. 

830
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,280
They wonder whether the gods or 
men taught the stones to sing. 

831
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,120
It's a kind of a neat little add
on by the maester. 

832
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,960
There stone head is the 
northernmost island in the whole

833
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,160
chain. 
It's plainly the work of men 

834
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,760
because it's carved. 
I mean, look at this thing. 

835
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,640
Shea is going to put it up on 
screen if she hasn't already. 

836
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,000
It really looks like some 
forgotten God glowering out 

837
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,160
across the sea, it says. 
And glowering is right. 

838
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:09,800
That does it really is 
glowering. 

839
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,680
This is the last visage that 
Summer Islanders see as they 

840
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,440
sail N to Westeros. 
Maybe it's like a warning. 

841
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,600
It's like, this is what you're 
going to be seeing up there. 

842
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:22,720
Watch out for this shout out. 
To the Unseen Westeros project, 

843
00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:25,320
which is where I got this piece 
and the last piece from. 

844
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,960
They did a lot of the unseen 
parts of Westeros, Yeah, or. 

845
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,400
In this case, other places 
around the world. 

846
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,000
That's cool, very cool. 
I love this. 

847
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,480
I love this extra art. 
You just we don't get this kind 

848
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:36,880
of thing in other fandoms very 
much. 

849
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,360
I mean big fandoms. 
We do like Star Wars, Lord of 

850
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,120
the Rings, big ones like that. 
But unless it's a really big 

851
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,360
fandom, you do not see art of 
the obscure things, right? 

852
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,560
If you're seeing art of a really
obscure part as they're like, 

853
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,200
we're we have lots of summer 
islands art, you know, of course

854
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,920
there's more of the Targaryens 
and the Starks, obviously, but 

855
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,840
these are like only big 
successful fandoms have artwork 

856
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,640
of the really obscure stuff. 
Obviously there's exceptions. 

857
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,760
There's always exceptions, but 
you, you get my point. 

858
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,960
There's we get a lot we're we're
we're privileged to get to be in

859
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,160
a fandom that is so successful 
and has so many people just 

860
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,760
contributing to it just because 
they want to, because they're 

861
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,360
inspired to, which is a it's a 
great thing. 

862
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,520
Coach is another one. 
Once home to a man named 

863
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,760
Malthar, the map maker Coach 
boasts the finest shipyards in 

864
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,520
the whole archipelago. 
And the finest shipyards in the 

865
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,520
archipelago probably mean some 
of the finest shipyards in the 

866
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:34,760
world, if not the finest, right?
The Swan ships are incredible, 

867
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,680
and 3/4 of the Swan ships are 
built on Koj. 

868
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,240
And the Pearl Palace, which is 
seat of the Princess of Koj, is 

869
00:45:41,240 --> 00:45:43,800
renowned for its collection of 
charts and maps. 

870
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,120
This is what I'm saying. 
The people of the Citadel, the 

871
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,680
Iron Islanders, there's a they 
would kill for that information 

872
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,800
'cause they know. 
They know for a fact it's more 

873
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,240
than what they have. 
Can I? 

874
00:45:55,240 --> 00:45:57,000
Way more can I? 
Cut in here with a note from 

875
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,920
Dornish Dame that I was thinking
you should. 

876
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:00,960
I was. 
Thinking the same thing a great 

877
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,200
call which is that when you 
which is why I decided to say 

878
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:07,720
Jala like Jala because of Jala 
Barzo and coach like code Jamo 

879
00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:10,880
Dornish, Dame notes. 
Really like that we get those 

880
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:15,120
names, characters who may have 
been named after places, which I

881
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:19,120
yeah, I love seeing that like 
etymology that through line and 

882
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,160
George's work every time we we 
notice that. 

883
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,440
Like for me, the other one that 
I think of not is a summer 

884
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,960
Islander, but not summer 
Islander Root is like Sorella. 

885
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,920
How like when I noticed her 
name, Sorella was like Nisar, 

886
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,480
like you could see the Roy Nish 
history. 

887
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,240
You know, I love seeing when 
George does stuff like that, and

888
00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:36,040
he does. 
It with some regularity, yeah, 

889
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:37,640
he likes to keep that 
consistency. 

890
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,680
He's pretty darn good at it. 
Yeah. 

891
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,280
Good job, George. 
Yeah, good. 

892
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,400
And and great take there. 
Ishaya and Dornish Dame like 

893
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,200
that. 
South of Tall Trees town is a 

894
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,440
place called the Isle of Birds. 
And we already have Parrot Bay. 

895
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,040
So, yeah, it just gives you an 
idea that there's a lot of these

896
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,000
birds down there. 
They they they thrive in this 

897
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,360
region. 
The farthest South of the 50 

898
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:03,680
Isles is called Doku or Doku. 
It's DOQUUI. 

899
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,480
Don't know how to say that, but 
that is the farthest S aisle, 

900
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,200
Not the farthest South point we 
know of, just the farthest South

901
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,640
and the summer aisles. 
Obviously the Satorio stretches 

902
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,480
farther S towards whatever else 
is down there. 

903
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,520
Exports. 
And imports. 

904
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,600
Here's a passage from The World 
of Ice and Fire that gives us a 

905
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:27,600
great take on just that, the. 
Islands lacked iron, tin, and 

906
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:32,680
other metals, but were rich in 
gemstones, emeralds, rubies and 

907
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,800
sapphires, and pearls of many 
sorts. 

908
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:40,680
Spice, nutmeg, cinnamon, pepper,
and hardwoods. 

909
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:47,480
Bloodwood, Ebony, mahogany, 
Purple Heart, blue maho, burl, 

910
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:52,880
tiger wood, golden heart, pink 
ivory and other rare and 

911
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:57,960
precious woods were also much in
demand, along with palm wine, 

912
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,320
fruit and feathers. 
They sure respect wood there. 

913
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,000
They know how to respect wood 
there. 

914
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,400
Isn't it strange to hear pink 
ivory as a wood? 

915
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,280
But that is a real wood. 
Most of these are not like Ebony

916
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,520
and mahogany are. 
I don't think Purple Heart is 

917
00:48:13,720 --> 00:48:15,440
bloodwood. 
I don't think that is either. 

918
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,120
Although he might just be coming
up with a different name for 

919
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,200
something real. 
Burl. 

920
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:24,120
I've never heard of blue mahoe. 
That one's funny. 

921
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,920
Because usually that's the other
way around, right? 

922
00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:28,280
Heck. 
Yeah. 

923
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,320
Anyway, one of the points here 
is the aisles may lack quite a 

924
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,240
few things, iron, tin and other 
metals, but they have so much 

925
00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:40,200
other wealth. 
They can either buy what they 

926
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,680
need or just live without it. 
You know, they don't necessarily

927
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:44,440
need all that metal they can do 
with it. 

928
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,120
They can do other things. 
They just they're just they have

929
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,160
so many amazing woods that they 
can do similar things with. 

930
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,880
Japan has some similar 
upbringing or culture. 

931
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,200
There's a lot. 
Japan is amazing with wood 

932
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:58,680
houses built without nails, just
with fittings and fastenings and

933
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:02,000
and just little notches and 
slots. 

934
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,760
That is what the swan ships are 
built like. 

935
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,880
They don't have nails either. 
So that's pretty neat. 

936
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,040
Earlier we compared the Isles to
the Caribbean a bit, but I think

937
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,720
to take that comparison a little
further, what we should do is 

938
00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:18,280
imagine the Caribbean as a place
that was never colonized, 

939
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,440
because that is maybe more 
accurate. 

940
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,240
Obviously the Caribbean today 
has been heavily colonized and 

941
00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:27,280
it's it's own cultural evolution
was stunted by outside 

942
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,840
influence, violent outside 
influence in a lot of places, so

943
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,880
they weren't able to determine 
their own destiny as a culture. 

944
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,000
A lot of these nations, some are
Isles. 

945
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,480
However, they didn't really have
a lot of outside influence. 

946
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,480
There was some it wasn't. 
It's not like they were immune 

947
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:47,760
to it, but I think that's a a 
vital and valid comparison. 

948
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:52,880
What if Africa or the Caribbean 
wasn't heavily colonized by 

949
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:57,960
outside other cultures? 
If it was enabled to become what

950
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,600
it would eventually become on 
its own, It might look something

951
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,200
like this where they have they 
are in charge of their own 

952
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,800
luxury industries instead of 
outsiders ruling those things. 

953
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,000
Like, for example, that's the 
case in Hawaii. 

954
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,360
One of the rarest woods in the 
world comes from Hawaii. 

955
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,080
It's not endangered, but the 
locals no longer really control 

956
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,120
the trade of it. 
It's all outsiders, people who 

957
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,880
are not native to Hawaii that 
now over the course of the last 

958
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,880
hundred, 150 years since Hawaii 
was colonized has changed. 

959
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,320
So this is like George's 
statement in a sense on what a 

960
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:33,160
culture that was allowed, 
allowed, was not denied their 

961
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,520
own self determination. 
So I think that's a good 

962
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,440
comparison here, has a lot of 
real world merit to consider. 

963
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,200
One of the ways George did this 
was by making the summer Owls 

964
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,400
more remote. 
It's harder to colonize or 

965
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,360
conquer a place that's just so 
darn far away. 

966
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,680
You know, there were, like I 
said, there's some events that 

967
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,120
bordered on such but never 
really took, never really took. 

968
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,240
You might make that case. 
I think that this is what George

969
00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:56,760
is saying, that this is what 
would happen if colonialism 

970
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,720
didn't stick or just never 
happened in the 1st place. 

971
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,640
One of the interesting 
technological advancements they 

972
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,600
have there that maybe slid under
the radar for most of us. 

973
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,760
You surely noted the ships and 
arrows because that's discussed 

974
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,680
explicitly at the bows and 
arrows around the ships. 

975
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,480
Rather that's pointed out how 
the summer elders are superior. 

976
00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:17,240
But what you might not have 
noticed is that they also have 

977
00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:19,680
better drinks. 
And I mean by that, I mean 

978
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,720
alcohol, liquor. 
They have liquor. 

979
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:24,800
That means they have 
distillation. 

980
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,360
Westeros doesn't seem to have 
distillation. 

981
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,200
They definitely have 
fermentation. 

982
00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:31,680
Absolutely they have 
fermentation. 

983
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,680
That's how you have wine. 
That's how you have Hippocrates.

984
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,440
Say you have beer, ale, things 
like that. 

985
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,320
But to have liquor, you need 
distillation. 

986
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:45,800
Summer Islanders explicitly have
rum, a lot of rums, BlackBerry 

987
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:51,120
rum, a spiced rum, black tar 
rum, which means high end and 

988
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,400
low end. 
The kind that just like the the 

989
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,520
lower level sailors would drink 
in the porch just to get wasted,

990
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,800
and the kind that like the 
nobles would sip in their fancy 

991
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:04,080
parties. 
And we know that it's rare in 

992
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,800
Westeros because Sam and Gilly 
have never had it. 

993
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,320
OK, well, Gilly never having 
had. 

994
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,200
It's not weird. 
She lived beyond the Wall where 

995
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,880
they don't have hardly anything 
from the rest of the world. 

996
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:18,160
But Sam was born at Hornhill. 
He's a he's a high born, high 

997
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,720
falutin, high society kid. 
Even he even though he didn't 

998
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:22,680
really belong in that society, 
he still grew up in it. 

999
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,520
And so he never tasted rum, 
which means his father never 

1000
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,040
like had it or imported it. 
They just didn't care. 

1001
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:30,720
It just wasn't a thing. 
It's not on their radar. 

1002
00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:32,960
Maybe. 
So that's pretty interesting. 

1003
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:34,880
And and George had a little joke
with it. 

1004
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,120
He gave his own he he threw out 
one of his own book title style 

1005
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,280
takes from Sam. 
Sam was like Gilly's Gilly said 

1006
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,040
at first. 
She's like, I like this drink. 

1007
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:44,920
Sounds like. 
Yeah, me too. 

1008
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:49,040
It's a drink of Dragons. 
A drink of Dragons. 

1009
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:50,600
The 6th book. 
It's not going to be The Winds 

1010
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:51,720
of Winter. 
It's going to be a drink of 

1011
00:52:51,720 --> 00:52:53,760
Dragons, the follow up to A 
Dance of Dragons. 

1012
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,320
That's why they were dancing, 
because they were drunk, right. 

1013
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,720
But yeah, so that's kind of 
neat. 

1014
00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:01,960
And he he thinks of it as fiery.
That's why he thinks of it as a 

1015
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:03,640
drink of Dragons because of its 
fiery taste. 

1016
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:08,080
Liquors are seen elsewhere in 
the Free Cities, Karth, but not 

1017
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,320
so much Westeros. 
Yeah, it's a little under the 

1018
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:14,680
radar food and drink stuff that 
Georgia kept consistent that 99%

1019
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,600
of us never noticed. 
You know who didn't notice it? 

1020
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,000
Nobody suspects the butterfly. 
Hat tip to them. 

1021
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,920
That's why we're having this 
discussion right now, because of

1022
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,160
a post they put up on Tumblr way
back when. 

1023
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,720
Liam Shea is one who pointed out
to me coming from a decade. 

1024
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,120
Ago from a decade. 
Wow. 

1025
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:35,400
Yeah, another hugely valuable 
trade good they have over there 

1026
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,600
that was mentioned and it's one 
that most of you will 

1027
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:42,840
immediately grasp as powerful 
and potent is spice. 

1028
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,840
And of course I don't mean spice
like in Dune, but like in the 

1029
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,120
real world. 
Wars have been fought over spice

1030
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,480
and they've also been fought 
over in Westeros or in Essos 

1031
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:55,440
rather. 
There's this the many spice wars

1032
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,000
between the Roynar and the 
Valentines or the OR the 

1033
00:53:58,240 --> 00:54:02,480
Valyrians. 
So I mean, the, the real life 

1034
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:06,320
wars that have been fought over 
trade routes and trade rights to

1035
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,960
certain spices during the time 
of when the East India Company 

1036
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:14,600
was new and things like that, 
where there were Columbus was 

1037
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:19,200
looking for a passage to India. 
Like this was all motivated by 

1038
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,840
spice, by money, by the profits 
for spice, right? 

1039
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:30,440
So you got to figure there's 
some industrial back and forth 

1040
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,840
in the Summer Isles over rights 
to these things so they can turn

1041
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,480
around and sell them on these 
world markets for massive 

1042
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:39,240
amounts of money. 
Yeah, So, yeah, some Islanders 

1043
00:54:39,240 --> 00:54:41,800
are making bank. 
They got gemstones, they got 

1044
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,400
spices, they got all these rare 
woods. 

1045
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,680
No wonder they're so rich. 
No wonder all these people that 

1046
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:51,120
we see are dressed in really 
nice cloaks and gemstones, and 

1047
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,880
they look fancy because they're 
rich. 

1048
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:58,640
You can see why their their 
land, their aisles are great, 

1049
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,400
Nina says. 
This is a great point. 

1050
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:06,000
I love this thought, she says. 
Because they're so rich, because

1051
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:10,320
they're so widespread in trade, 
they've traded for some cool 

1052
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:14,360
stuff over the years from 
cultures that no longer exist. 

1053
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,840
You got to believe the Summer 
Islanders have Valyrian stuff. 

1054
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,880
That's really rare now because 
Valyria's gone. 

1055
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:24,560
Same with like, the kingdoms of 
Sarnor, right? 

1056
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:28,560
Or ACT Pasha even. 
Or places that used to exist on 

1057
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,520
Sithorius that don't anymore. 
Like they might have traded with

1058
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:35,720
Zamatar, they might have traded 
with yen, They might have traded

1059
00:55:35,720 --> 00:55:38,800
with who knows where else. 
They might have traded an 

1060
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,840
ancient Old Town before the 
Andals came. 

1061
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:48,280
They might have traded with the 
Free Folk before. 

1062
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,400
A lot of the prohibitions of 
with trade went into them. 

1063
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:52,880
You know, there's so many 
possibilities. 

1064
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:56,000
You might, I mean, you literally
might have mammoth fur down 

1065
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:57,600
there. 
You might have Valyrian steel 

1066
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,400
there. 
Why not? 

1067
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,200
Valyrian steel was sold to 
Wester Rossi for gold. 

1068
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,400
There's more wealth in this. 
There's more like exotic trade 

1069
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,040
goods in the summer owls than 
there might be in all of 

1070
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,680
Westeros. 
That's the kind of hard to parse

1071
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:15,120
necessarily because of the great
size, but I think it might be 

1072
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,800
true. 
I mean, I don't know. 

1073
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:21,080
The rich people want obscure, 
exotic, rare stuff. 

1074
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,720
And the summer owl is farther 
away, more exotic, has more of 

1075
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:28,680
these sought after goods. 
So what are they trading for? 

1076
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,760
Well, the summer owls aren't 
bringing gemstones to trade for 

1077
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,400
more gemstones. 
Oh, they're trading for stuff 

1078
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:34,920
they can't get. 
Yeah. 

1079
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:39,080
Valyrian steel, Obsidian, things
that aren't available there. 

1080
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,720
They would trade to faraway 
places so they could have that 

1081
00:56:41,720 --> 00:56:43,640
cool stuff. 
Those things are still there 

1082
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:45,160
now. 
That's great. 

1083
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:48,120
The doom wiped all the stuff out
there, but the summer Elms, 

1084
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,880
whatever they traded for, 
nothing doomed that. 

1085
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:52,360
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1086
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:53,880
So that's the kind of neat I 
like to think of it. 

1087
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,120
A great thought by Nino on that 
one. 

1088
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:01,280
Let's talk about Golden Heart. 
Because of all the exports of 

1089
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,600
all the products from there, 
it's probably the one that pops 

1090
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:09,520
up the most, given it is a 
military use product and A Song 

1091
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:11,160
of Ice and Fire has so much war 
in it. 

1092
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:16,200
Here is Eddard 7, the Game of 
Thrones at the tournament. 

1093
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:22,320
Quote 100 Golden Dragons on the 
Kingslayer, Littlefinger 

1094
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:26,120
announced loudly as Jamie 
Lannister entered the lists, 

1095
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,080
riding an elegant blood Bay 
destrier. 

1096
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:33,560
The horse wore a blanket of 
gilded ringmail, and Jamie 

1097
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:37,760
glittered from head to heel. 
Even his Lance was fashioned 

1098
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,840
from the golden wood of the 
Summer Isles. 

1099
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,960
OK, that is just absurd. 
Jamie, Mr. Lannisters, these 

1100
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,120
guys are, you know they're 
wealthy, but this just takes it 

1101
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,480
to another level when you 
realize the implication here. 

1102
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:56,840
Lance's are made to break. 
That's the whole point of them 

1103
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:58,720
in in tournaments anyway, not in
real warfare. 

1104
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:04,800
So he's got a made to break 
fancy ass rare wood for his 

1105
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:06,360
Lance? 
What? 

1106
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:11,720
That's not only expensive as 
hell, it's Nina used examples 

1107
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:15,080
like lighting $100 bills on fire
to light your cigars. 

1108
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:18,360
That's what this is. 
You're throwing it away. 

1109
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,320
You use it once and it's gone 
and it's so expensive. 

1110
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,680
I mean, this would pay for like 
years of food for a single, a 

1111
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:26,320
peasant family. 
Like you could probably eat for 

1112
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,560
the rest of their lives off of a
single golden heart Lance. 

1113
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:34,320
Jolles Bargeaux might have given
the Lannisters this Lance as a 

1114
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:35,480
gift. 
You know, he's been trying to 

1115
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,320
get in good with Robert. 
Later he tries to get in good 

1116
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:38,920
with Searcy. 
So it makes sense that he would 

1117
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,560
cozy up to the wealthiest family
in Westeros to try to get an 

1118
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:44,520
army to invade his country 
again. 

1119
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:47,680
It's so that also turns it 
around on us. 

1120
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,520
Like why is Jamie? 
Why are the Lannisters doing 

1121
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:51,880
this? 
Well, because they're that rich,

1122
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,320
right? 
They're they're showing off that

1123
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,760
this this isn't just rich. 
This is a banned product. 

1124
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:02,520
This is golden heart is illegal 
to export from the Summer Isles.

1125
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:06,040
So but this is eminently 
believable, right? 

1126
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,160
It's like, well, of course this 
richest family in in Westeros 

1127
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,040
has access to black market 
goods. 

1128
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,240
They're just that rich. 
They're they're both A so rich 

1129
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:15,600
they can afford to buy things 
that way. 

1130
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,000
B, They're above the law. 
And who's going to punish them 

1131
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,800
for it? 
Some summer islands, like export

1132
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:23,360
commission's going to sail up 
and go. 

1133
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,000
You guys are breaking the law 
and we're going to come after 

1134
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:26,400
you. 
What are they? 

1135
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:30,160
They're going to ignore them, 
you know, So maybe the example 

1136
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,920
shouldn't just be lighting a 
cigar with $100 bill. 

1137
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,880
It should be lighting a Cuban 
cigar in America with $100 bill 

1138
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:40,000
because it's an illegal item 
that you're using wastefully and

1139
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,200
extravagantly just to throw 
away. 

1140
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:46,200
Yeah, it's crazy, right? 
Let's follow it up with another 

1141
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:49,560
quote about the golden heart 
bows. 

1142
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:55,080
To this day, the Bowman and 
women of the Summer Isles are 

1143
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,480
esteemed the finest in the 
world. 

1144
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:02,440
Nor can their bows be matched by
common bows, for the Princess of

1145
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,840
the Isles have forbidden the 
export of Golden Heart Wood 

1146
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:10,240
since the Slavers Wars. 
Only bows of dragon bone are 

1147
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:14,160
known to surpass them, and those
are exceedingly rare. 

1148
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,040
We have some examples of this 
when we get to the character 

1149
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:20,240
section of the episode, meaning 
bows getting used, but they seem

1150
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:23,600
rare even then, in part because 
of this prohibition, right? 

1151
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,000
And the only dragon bone bow we 
get we get to see used is 

1152
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:31,080
Danny's Blood Rider AGO, right? 
We're also told the golden heart

1153
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:34,520
bows and yard long shafts 
carried by these Archers are 

1154
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:35,960
never used against their own 
people. 

1155
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,640
There's a prohibition not only 
against exporting it, but 

1156
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:42,480
against using it against other 
Summer Islanders. 

1157
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,480
You can only use it for warfare 
outside of the country or 

1158
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:48,320
against invaders. 
And this is also a religious 

1159
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,160
thing. 
It's not just like a law, a 

1160
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:51,520
regular law that people have to 
follow. 

1161
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:56,520
It's a religious law, which when
people are religious, religious 

1162
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,400
laws tend to be followed more 
strictly or more held more 

1163
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,720
tightly because you're not just 
upsetting people when you break 

1164
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:05,160
laws, you're upsetting the gods.
That's that's what people tend 

1165
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:08,360
to think, which is partly why 
those laws are made that way in 

1166
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:12,400
the 1st place, because it's 
seems a little more effective 

1167
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,040
when people are less likely to 
break it. 

1168
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:16,400
So. 
So it's not just a luxury good, 

1169
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:19,480
but it is that it's a practical 
item used in warfare and it's 

1170
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:23,240
very powerful in that regard. 
But it's also, yeah, it's also 

1171
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:28,320
used as a luxury good or show 
used in a flashy ways by people 

1172
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:32,440
like the Lannisters, which is 
crazy too because most people 

1173
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:35,520
don't even know that's a rare 
luxury good. 

1174
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,560
So to extend the metaphor one 
last time, it's like light. 

1175
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,960
Instead of the $100 bill, you're
lighting a bill from some other 

1176
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,480
country and other people don't 
know how much that is worth. 

1177
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:46,480
It's like, what is that a 
dollar? 

1178
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,680
Is that $100? 
I don't know because I. 

1179
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:50,880
Don't know what? 
I don't recognize that currency.

1180
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:55,760
So it's like this is this is a 
rich people move for only other 

1181
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:59,200
rich people to get, you know, 
it's like an elite move for only

1182
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:00,600
the elite showing off to other 
elites. 

1183
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:04,600
Only regular folk don't know 
that he just blew a, you know, 

1184
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:07,240
5000 gold Lance. 
They just, that was just another

1185
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:12,080
Lance to them. 
Let's talk flora and fauna. 

1186
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:15,080
It's a very unique environment, 
which of course means it has 

1187
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:18,960
Besides these cool trees and 
these cool spices and gemstones,

1188
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,880
there's also some neat other 
types of biological organisms 

1189
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,000
living there. 
Quote Flowers. 

1190
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:29,600
Of 1000 Different sorts bloom in
profusion on the Summer Isles, 

1191
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:32,200
filling the air with their 
perfume. 

1192
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:37,160
The trees are heavy with exotic 
fruits, and a myriad of brightly

1193
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:42,000
colored birds flitter through 
the skies from their plumage. 

1194
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:46,000
The summer Islanders make their 
fabulous feathered cloaks 

1195
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:51,240
beneath the green canopies of 
the rainforests prowl spotted 

1196
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:56,600
Panthers larger than any lion 
and packs of lean red wolves. 

1197
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:02,000
Tribes of monkeys swing through 
the branches of the trees above.

1198
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:09,960
Apes abound as well, the old red
men of Amboru, silver pelts in 

1199
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:13,960
the mountains of Jala, night 
stalkers on Wilano. 

1200
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:18,280
Wilano is the most populous, yet
they live amidst these so-called

1201
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:20,440
night stalkers. 
Yikes, that sounds terrifying. 

1202
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,400
Lemurs though, how cool. 
I love that they have lemurs. 

1203
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:26,120
We know that one that's not 
actually mentioned in this 

1204
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:30,480
quote, but we know that from the
the little Valyrians, the silver

1205
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,280
purple lemurs that live in the 
northern forests of Essos. 

1206
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:35,960
It's mentioned that these are 
the only lemurs that live up 

1207
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,440
here and normally they're only 
found in the Summer Isles and 

1208
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:40,600
tropical regions. 
So, so we know that they exist 

1209
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:42,920
down there. 
Not the Valyrian version, but 

1210
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:46,400
yeah, of course we said parrots.
We talked about them before. 

1211
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,600
This might be the only place 
that parrots are native in this 

1212
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:51,760
world. 
I'm not really sure. 

1213
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:53,320
They might also exist in 
Sothorios. 

1214
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:56,080
I, I neglected to look that one 
up, but definitely they pop up 

1215
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:58,120
all over associated with Summer 
Islanders. 

1216
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:00,360
Danny is offered one in Vase 
Dothrak. 

1217
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:03,240
She doesn't take it. 
They were trendy in Valyria for 

1218
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:04,760
a while. 
The Valyria. 

1219
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:06,560
That makes sense. 
Rich people getting like, yeah, 

1220
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:07,720
I want a talking bird. 
Yeah. 

1221
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:09,640
Oh, did you see? 
They've got a talking bird? 

1222
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:11,200
We got to get one too. 
We can't be left behind. 

1223
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:14,960
We can't be the only family at 
the social club without a 

1224
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:16,680
talking bird. 
Come on now. 

1225
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:20,040
Right. 
Maybe the feather cloaks were 

1226
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:22,600
trendy for a while too. 
I mean, we're talking thousands 

1227
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:25,520
of years of Valyrian history. 
So, you know, a 20 year trend 

1228
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:28,480
every once a century of the 
feather cloaks coming back. 

1229
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:31,400
The feather cloaks are back in. 
Y'all get your feather cloak 

1230
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:33,680
out. 
I mean, it's a a rich people 

1231
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:36,800
garb in another country that, 
you know, people do that all the

1232
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:37,640
time. 
Sometimes we call that 

1233
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:40,440
appropriation, but sometimes it 
just just looks cool. 

1234
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,280
You know? 
Either way, I can definitely 

1235
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:47,120
believe it, right. 
Nina says the old red men are 

1236
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:50,080
probably orangutans. 
Yeah, that sounds right to me. 

1237
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,280
Silver pelts, silverback 
gorillas. 

1238
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:55,040
Probably right. 
But yeah, she's also lost on 

1239
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:56,400
what the heck a Night Stalker 
is. 

1240
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:57,600
She says, what are night 
stalkers? 

1241
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:00,560
And I wrote, apart from 
terrifying, I was like, well, 

1242
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:04,040
that's about all we know. 
Yeah, maybe they don't stalk 

1243
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:05,360
people. 
Maybe they just they're just 

1244
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:09,200
nocturnal monkeys that just eat 
bananas at night. 

1245
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:11,360
Yes, it. 
Makes me think about night 

1246
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:14,720
monkey and spider man. 
And night monkeys are a real 

1247
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:16,440
type of monkey. 
These are apes. 

1248
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:19,680
Night Apes. 
Is that like the one that 

1249
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:24,160
Visenya had the the ape that 
was, does she dress up like the 

1250
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:25,560
Prince or that regal? 
Yeah. 

1251
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,560
I do wonder what kind of 
relationship they have with the 

1252
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:31,000
primates, like culturally 
speaking. 

1253
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:34,560
Like are they kept as pets like 
the Valyrians did? 

1254
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:37,720
I would assume so. 
Not the night stalkers and old 

1255
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:40,040
red men or the silver pelts, but
the smaller monkeys. 

1256
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:42,880
Maybe you would assume that 
since the Valyrians, one of them

1257
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,560
is pets that they got the idea 
from somewhere as some rounders 

1258
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:48,160
would have been keeping them as 
pets to sort of show that off 

1259
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:50,400
and to, you know, be like looked
at this. 

1260
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:51,840
Don't you want one? 
Look how cute they are. 

1261
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:53,040
Don't you want to buy one of 
these? 

1262
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:56,200
Maybe they're considered sacred 
by some people. 

1263
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:58,080
I don't know. 
It's an interesting question 

1264
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:01,280
that they would they probably 
don't have a just a shrug 

1265
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:04,440
relationship with these very 
interesting creatures. 

1266
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:07,440
Like they're so fascinating in 
our world. 

1267
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:09,400
I would assume that the summer 
Islanders, at least some of them

1268
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:11,800
would be curious. 
Maybe the night stalkers are 

1269
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:13,360
haunted. 
Maybe they're that dangerous. 

1270
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,280
You know, I keep coming back to 
the night stalkers because 

1271
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:17,920
they're so cool. 
Just the names, all we get. 

1272
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:20,120
They kind of sound like to me, 
it's like shadow cats, right? 

1273
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:21,720
It's just this is a cool 
sounding animal. 

1274
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,520
But apparently we have Panthers 
the size of lions there too. 

1275
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:28,600
So yeah, it it is not entirely 
idyllic. 

1276
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:29,960
We've said the nice things about
it. 

1277
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,720
But remember, what we're saying 
is all in comparison to the rest

1278
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:37,680
of Planetos, which is the bar is
really low for being better in 

1279
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:41,400
terms of a better place to live.
Let's talk ancient history. 

1280
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:44,560
They are unique in many ways 
because they were isolated for 

1281
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,520
such a long time in those early 
days. 

1282
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:53,240
The peoples of Essos meanwhile 
evolved with overlap to each 

1283
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:55,120
other. 
The people of Sarnor grew up 

1284
01:06:55,160 --> 01:07:00,800
influencing and being influenced
by the Ebenez and the the Quafi.

1285
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,520
And of course the Valyrians 
influenced everyone around them 

1286
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:06,560
and but in their early days they
were influenced by other people 

1287
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:11,440
like the Ghiscari and just the 
Roy NAR, just endless examples 

1288
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:13,480
of this. 
Whereas the Summer Islanders 

1289
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:17,600
were very isolated from that and
grew up on their own in their 

1290
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:22,280
own little microcosm. 
This gives them more basis for 

1291
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:27,040
much more variety and different 
origins because of that lack of 

1292
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:30,560
commerce between other peoples 
in their formative years as a 

1293
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:33,520
culture. 
That's why you see larger and 

1294
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:39,400
more distinct differences and 
more homogenization amongst some

1295
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,640
of the SoC cultures and 
Westerosi cultures, because 

1296
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:44,840
they've been living connected 
and in the same cities for so 

1297
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:47,960
long. 
Whereas this place not so much, 

1298
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:52,440
right? 
The talking trees. 

1299
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:54,200
Let's talk about the talking 
trees. 

1300
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:57,360
History can be recorded in many 
ways. 

1301
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:03,120
Here's though, there's a couple 
other ways that people record 

1302
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:05,160
history, you know, in the real 
world that are fascinating. 

1303
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:09,320
There's runes, there's books. 
This is sort of a combination of

1304
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:13,720
the two, but done with in a in a
way that's very summer Islander.

1305
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:16,000
It's using the tools they have 
at their disposal. 

1306
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:20,520
Pretty cool quote. 
Sun dappled tall trees town 

1307
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:24,920
where priestesses in feathered 
robes carved songs and stories 

1308
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:29,080
into the trunks of the enormous 
tower trees that shade the town.

1309
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:34,160
On these talking trees can be 
read the whole history of the 

1310
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:38,720
Summer Islanders, together with 
the commandments of their many 

1311
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:42,160
gods and the laws by which they 
live their lives. 

1312
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:47,080
The earliest records on the 
talking trees include their time

1313
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:49,399
of isolation when they didn't 
know any other cultures that 

1314
01:08:49,399 --> 01:08:51,920
exist in the entire world. 
That's part of why we know that 

1315
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:54,439
was a thing in the 1st place and
why that's confirmed and not 

1316
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:58,080
just like a matter of legend. 
It's just really cool though I 

1317
01:08:58,279 --> 01:09:01,120
it's very, it's a little 
reminiscent of the way history 

1318
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:02,840
is stored in the carved heart 
trees. 

1319
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:05,720
You carve a face and then the 
tree remembers. 

1320
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:08,720
This is a lot more literal. 
There's nothing supernatural 

1321
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:12,000
about this as far as we know. 
It's just record keeping on 

1322
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:16,479
trees which is neat but also 
there are some challenges cause 

1323
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:19,240
trees aren't they don't stick 
around as long you know they 

1324
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:25,920
aren't as permanent as as stone 
or even other things like bone 

1325
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:30,439
or metal especially yet. 
This is a real world thing too. 

1326
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:35,800
These are called Arbor glyphs or
dendroglyphs or Silva glyphs. 

1327
01:09:36,359 --> 01:09:39,800
Aboriginal Australia has a lot 
of these. 

1328
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:42,399
The Chatham Islands of New 
Zealand does as well. 

1329
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:44,520
And in modern times, it's still 
a thing. 

1330
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:49,760
Aspen trees in Colorado, for 
example, have these kind of 

1331
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:53,760
carvings on them just by 
settlers and and shepherds who 

1332
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:56,320
lived, you know, 150 years ago. 
Can I give a shout? 

1333
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:58,120
Out to our an old episode of 
ours. 

1334
01:09:58,280 --> 01:09:59,720
You should. 
In our. 

1335
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:02,080
Old, I think it was our Weywood 
tour episode. 

1336
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:05,920
I we had this this moment where 
we were like, well, how do the 

1337
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:11,040
faces not move up? 
And it was people, many people 

1338
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:13,960
commented on it, like, just use 
your heads for a second and 

1339
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:16,920
think about all the times like 
you people carve into a tree and

1340
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:18,880
it doesn't grow up. 
It grows from above. 

1341
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:21,840
Not well anyways. 
Yeah, trees don't grow that way,

1342
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:23,480
as he said. 
Exactly. 

1343
01:10:23,480 --> 01:10:25,840
And so it makes me think of 
that, but it also makes me think

1344
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:30,520
that like, if they start low, 
like whether summer Islanders 

1345
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:35,600
have to like climb up and carve,
like how where where they stop, 

1346
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:39,160
where where the top is, or if 
they like get higher and put 

1347
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:40,960
some stories up really tall. 
I don't know. 

1348
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:43,360
I picture. 
It like redwoods, and I know 

1349
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:45,320
you've seen redwoods in person. 
A lot of y'all out there maybe 

1350
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:46,640
haven't. 
But if you've seen redwoods in 

1351
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:49,080
person, I'm picturing trees like
this so you can fit. 

1352
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:51,720
Like you can drive a car through
a Redwood tree if it's carved 

1353
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:53,360
out. 
They're that big, so you could 

1354
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:55,280
carve quite a bit on a trunk of 
that size. 

1355
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:56,520
But you're still making a good 
point. 

1356
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,280
Like, yeah, would you like 
rappel up a little higher to 

1357
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:02,800
like, drop or they just have 
that many trees, you know, to be

1358
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:05,920
clear. 
I also I I I also want to say we

1359
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:09,160
don't think that this is the 
same as the golden heart tree 

1360
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:12,120
despite we us making comparisons
to heart trees. 

1361
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:13,440
It definitely. 
Isn't the tall tree? 

1362
01:11:13,480 --> 01:11:14,800
Yeah, they're. 
Definitely not. 

1363
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:18,000
Yeah, 'cause tall trees. 
Town is on Wilano and a golden 

1364
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,480
heart doesn't grow in Wilano. 
That's a good, good point there.

1365
01:11:20,480 --> 01:11:22,320
I didn't think of the heart 
connection with the word heart. 

1366
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:25,480
Yeah, but George may have been 
trying to give the vibe of, 

1367
01:11:25,480 --> 01:11:26,720
well, this is where the history 
is kept. 

1368
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:27,920
But otherwise, they're not that 
similar. 

1369
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:31,120
Yeah. 
So I think this is a lot like 

1370
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:35,440
the the, the, the challenges 
with these is the wood grows 

1371
01:11:35,440 --> 01:11:38,240
over it. 
Carving into a into a tree can 

1372
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:41,760
harm it like it allows, like 
that's like cutting into your 

1373
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:44,480
skin, you know, it, it, it makes
a tree more vulnerable to 

1374
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:48,120
getting sick. 
But that might be something that

1375
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:50,840
they've worked out. 
They've figured out how to carve

1376
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:53,280
into the trees without harming 
them. 

1377
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:55,200
And then they maybe just go 
over. 

1378
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:58,640
Maybe they just recarve instead 
of it fading over time, they 

1379
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:00,880
just, you know, like copying 
books. 

1380
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:04,920
You just recarve that spot on 
the tree so it's, you know, 

1381
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:07,960
distinct again. 
So George took this concept, 

1382
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:12,160
this real world concept of Arbor
glyphs and does what he does. 

1383
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:13,840
He turned it up to 11. 
He's like, well, what if a whole

1384
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:17,160
society has existed like this 
for a long time and they aren't 

1385
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:20,000
a society like Aboriginal 
Australia that's just been 

1386
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:22,040
colonized and a lot of it's been
lost. 

1387
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:24,040
Well, what if they didn't lose 
their history? 

1388
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:26,520
What if it's all still there? 
What if they not only didn't 

1389
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:30,840
lose it, but they have facts and
knowledge that other cultures 

1390
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:33,440
want? 
Like again, their maps and 

1391
01:12:33,440 --> 01:12:36,480
charts which aren't on the tall 
trees aren't the tall That this 

1392
01:12:36,480 --> 01:12:37,800
is history and laws and 
religion. 

1393
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:39,840
I'm just saying. 
They're. 

1394
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:42,000
They this culture has things 
that other people want. 

1395
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,320
There's also a history compiled 
by a maester named Gallard who 

1396
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:47,640
wrote the book Children of 
Summer, an exhaustive 

1397
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:51,520
compilation presumably just 
taken from the trees. 

1398
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:53,720
Like, it's like the primary 
source is the trees. 

1399
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:56,520
And he spent a lot of time there
just writing down what he got 

1400
01:12:56,520 --> 01:13:00,040
from the trees and compiling it 
and presenting it to presumably 

1401
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:02,840
to Westerosi people in a way 
they can understand how to say. 

1402
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:05,680
Notable the name Children of 
Summer again because we're 

1403
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:09,200
talking about the children of 
the forest carving Hart trees 

1404
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:12,160
and we're thinking of Children 
of Summer I Anyways, I just find

1405
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:14,640
it to be a brilliant title. 
It calls to. 

1406
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:18,240
Mind the similar things and 
George is just sort of the way 

1407
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:21,080
George likes to use language. 
But if that creates a lot of 

1408
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:24,280
connectivity, I totally agree. 
Now we don't know a lot of 

1409
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:26,600
what's on these trees. 
There's a lot of information, of

1410
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:28,800
course, that we're missing, just
like we're missing huge amounts 

1411
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,280
of history from all the cultures
of the World of Planets host. 

1412
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:35,440
But one thing that is explicitly
not mentioned, that is mentioned

1413
01:13:35,480 --> 01:13:38,240
for so many other cultures, is a
long nightmareth. 

1414
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:41,760
Every culture seems to have one.
The Royner have one. 

1415
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:46,800
The freaking Yeetish have one. 
There's versions from Aishai, 

1416
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:49,640
everyone seems to have one just 
about. 

1417
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:51,440
I mean, there's a few cultures 
that are too obscure to have one

1418
01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:53,880
maybe, but this one isn't that 
obscure and yet it isn't 

1419
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:57,440
mentioned. 
It's entirely possible that it 

1420
01:13:57,440 --> 01:13:58,960
just didn't affect them very 
much. 

1421
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:02,560
They were still able to fish, 
and they don't rely on 

1422
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:04,600
agriculture too much. 
There's a lot of fertility, but 

1423
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:06,880
it's mostly fruit trees and 
orchards, things like that. 

1424
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:09,800
The heat, probably. 
They probably didn't probably 

1425
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:12,960
didn't get as cold there. 
The idea of the Others is 

1426
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:15,320
probably completely foreign to 
them, other than having heard 

1427
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:17,120
about it from from Westerosse or
whatever. 

1428
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:19,240
So that's pretty interesting, I 
think. 

1429
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:21,760
Can I? 
Say there is one story I think 

1430
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:24,600
they have that isn't a long 
night story, but has the 

1431
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:28,880
resonance of the the point of 
the long night story sure hit 

1432
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:32,560
it? 
I think the story of Zonda Ko 

1433
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:35,920
that we're going to get into 
later has a lot of resonance 

1434
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:39,440
with that story because it's all
about how she unites the islands

1435
01:14:39,440 --> 01:14:42,840
under her rule. 
And so I just find that that's 

1436
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:46,600
the one story within the summer 
Islander like mythos. 

1437
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:50,880
I guess that like is still about
like, Hey y'all, we all need to 

1438
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:54,200
unite in order to stop this. 
That's a really. 

1439
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:55,320
Good take. 
Because yeah, that is an 

1440
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:59,680
important aspect of the Other's 
invasion is will humanity stop 

1441
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:04,040
its quibbling long enough to 
prevent extinction? 

1442
01:15:04,440 --> 01:15:06,720
Right. 
And so the, we've, we've talked 

1443
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:10,920
at length about how the Azora 
High myth is more about Azora 

1444
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:14,720
High being a uniter than a 
warrior, or is more of like a 

1445
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:16,200
logistician bringing people 
together. 

1446
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:19,880
A diplomat like a Daenerys 
bringing together the Dothraki, 

1447
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:23,800
the Unsullied, the people of 
Slaver's Bay, plus whoever in 

1448
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:25,640
Westeros joins her, that's a 
uniter. 

1449
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:29,520
John bringing together the Free 
folk, Stannis's people, the 

1450
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:32,360
Night's Watch, some people from 
the North, that's a uniter as 

1451
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:33,520
well. 
That's the kind of thing we're 

1452
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:35,320
talking about. 
The example of Shaya brought up 

1453
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:38,280
is very rare for the summer 
elves to be brought together. 

1454
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:40,120
And they did do it in time of 
great need. 

1455
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:44,000
And it was They were facing an 
overwhelming enemy who wanted to

1456
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:45,480
enslave them all. 
Just tell you what the others 

1457
01:15:45,480 --> 01:15:46,720
want to do. 
The others want to kill you and 

1458
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:49,280
then enslave you. 
There's an extra step in there, 

1459
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:51,200
but it's a similar vibe. 
Yeah. 

1460
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:53,720
The Great. 
Other to the summer, Islanders 

1461
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:56,080
are enslavers, yeah. 
Absolutely. 

1462
01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:58,640
Very good point. 
Yeah, I mean, that's that's the 

1463
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:01,280
worst thing they've ever faced 
as a culture, as mass 

1464
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:03,280
enslavement. 
They haven't faced mass 

1465
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:07,720
extinction by winter, whereas 
Westeros never really faced mass

1466
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:09,880
enslavement. 
A lot of people moved to 

1467
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:11,440
Westeros to to get away from 
that. 

1468
01:16:11,440 --> 01:16:14,600
A lot of the Andals fled from 
Essos to get away from Valyrian 

1469
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:17,680
enslavement. 
So but they ended up on a 

1470
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:20,040
continent where the others might
do that to them instead, but in 

1471
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:22,480
a different way. 
Anyway, the talking trees will 

1472
01:16:22,480 --> 01:16:25,080
continue to pop up throughout 
the episode here and there 

1473
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:27,960
because we we refer to them a 
few times and then we'll see 

1474
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:33,280
what happens. 
Let's move on to the age of 

1475
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:36,320
exploration. 
Let's start with how they 

1476
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:40,680
started Quote. 
As Islanders, they took to the 

1477
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:47,200
seas in the dawn of days, first 
in Ord coracles, then in larger,

1478
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:50,360
swifter ships with sails of 
woven hemp. 

1479
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:55,480
Yet few ever ventured beyond the
site of their own shores, and 

1480
01:16:55,480 --> 01:16:59,400
those who sailed beyond the 
horizons did not always return. 

1481
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:02,920
Yeah, I mean, that's that's 
early exploration for you. 

1482
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:06,280
People are brave, you know, you 
do not know what's out there. 

1483
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:08,880
And some of the people didn't 
return 'cause they legitimately 

1484
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:13,200
got lost at sea, but some of 
them found new land and didn't 

1485
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:15,600
know how to get back. 
And that creates just as much 

1486
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:17,760
risk as like, well, if I go 
back, well, how do I, I don't 

1487
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,720
know if I can find back and then
how do I get back here again, 

1488
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:25,680
You know, so the, the world of 
ancient navigation was a scary 

1489
01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:28,400
place 'cause you just have very 
little else to go on. 

1490
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:32,760
You don't have prior navigators 
to give you information or help 

1491
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:37,600
or, or anything. 
The Ironborn had a similar 

1492
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:40,040
beginning, but they didn't start
on their aisles. 

1493
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:43,480
They started as first men who 
migrated the aisles and then 

1494
01:17:43,480 --> 01:17:46,960
went further still. 
That's you would still call them

1495
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:49,640
a sailing culture even though 
that's not the only thing about 

1496
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:51,280
them. 
Same is true for the summer 

1497
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:53,320
aisles. 
Their relationship to sailing is

1498
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:56,480
very different than the iron 
aisles, but they are very much a

1499
01:17:56,480 --> 01:17:59,400
sailing culture. 
Sailors don't always represent a

1500
01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:01,800
culture because sailors are 
typically a very tiny percentage

1501
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:04,520
of that culture. 
That's less true when you're 

1502
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:07,360
talking about island people who 
thrive on sailing. 

1503
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:10,680
There's a lot larger percentage 
of the people from the Iron 

1504
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:13,520
Isles and the Summer Isles that 
know how to sail or are familiar

1505
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:15,960
with sailing, etcetera. 
So they they are more 

1506
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:19,240
representative of their culture 
than say, I don't know, an 

1507
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:21,360
American sailor. 
Isn't that representative of 

1508
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:24,440
Americans? 
You know, like that's no more 

1509
01:18:24,440 --> 01:18:27,720
than any random job would be, 
you know. 

1510
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:32,080
But if you say an American 
banker, you know, that might 

1511
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:33,960
register more with people, 
right? 

1512
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:36,080
Like, oh, American bankers. 
Yeah, there's a lot of them. 

1513
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:37,680
American insurance salesman. 
Yeah. 

1514
01:18:38,440 --> 01:18:40,720
Lawyers, etcetera. 
Sorry if that's what your 

1515
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:42,720
profession is. 
I'm not making fun. 

1516
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:44,600
But those are common professions
in America. 

1517
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:49,000
They get talked about a lot. 
So both of these cultures, the 

1518
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:52,000
Ironborn and the Summer Isles 
had a lot of incentive, a huge 

1519
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:54,720
amount of incentive to explore 
their nearby surrounding. 

1520
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:56,960
What other aisles are there? 
Well, there's I can see an 

1521
01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:59,000
island over there. 
It's in the distance. 

1522
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:00,400
You can actually see it sail to 
that. 

1523
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:02,760
Well, let's just be on the 
horizon or hey, we could. 

1524
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:05,440
Now that we've gotten to this 
island, we can see another one 

1525
01:19:05,440 --> 01:19:07,080
over there, you know, island 
hopping. 

1526
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:09,320
So they discovered all their own
aisles. 

1527
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:11,240
There's no one else down there 
finding them. 

1528
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:17,600
Maybe in some far bygone time, 
the summer some they were they 

1529
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:20,120
were they migrated there from 
somewhere else, but it doesn't 

1530
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:22,120
seem like seems like they just 
kind of developed there. 

1531
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:25,520
I don't know. 
There may have been a long ago 

1532
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:30,120
Pangaea of West of of Planetos 
and yeah, who knows. 

1533
01:19:31,440 --> 01:19:35,680
But of course, the day came when
their isolation ended, when the 

1534
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:38,280
day came, when they learned that
they were not alone in the 

1535
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:39,920
world. 
Here's what happened. 

1536
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:43,800
Quote. 
The first recorded contact 

1537
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:47,640
between the Summer Isles and the
wider world occurred at the 

1538
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:50,000
height of the old Empire of 
Geese. 

1539
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:55,280
A Ghiscari merchant ship made 
landfall on Wilano after being 

1540
01:19:55,280 --> 01:20:00,040
blown off course by a storm, 
only to flee in terror at the 

1541
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:03,920
first sight of the local 
inhabitants, whom the Ghiscari 

1542
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:08,360
took for demons with skins 
burned black by the fires of 

1543
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:12,080
Hell. 
Thereafter, Ghiscari sailors 

1544
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:17,360
took care to stay well away from
the Demon Isle, as they named 

1545
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:20,800
Wolano On their charts. 
They had no inkling of the 

1546
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:25,120
existence of Amburu Jala. 
Or the lesser islands. 

1547
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:28,960
Truly, it was the Summer 
Islanders who had reason to be 

1548
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:31,800
afraid. 
Skin color isn't scary. 

1549
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:35,040
They thought it was, but slavery
is scary. 

1550
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:37,840
That's what the Summer Islanders
had to fear from the Ghiscari. 

1551
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:42,280
So yeah, it's oddly this is an 
example of like, prejudice or 

1552
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:43,520
racism. 
I don't know if it's fully 

1553
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:46,560
racism, but whatever, whatever 
it was, it was it was a negative

1554
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:48,760
thing that worked out really 
well for the Summer Islanders. 

1555
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:50,040
Like, yeah, you don't want them 
here. 

1556
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:51,800
You don't want them. 
You want them being afraid of 

1557
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:54,120
you because if they're not 
afraid of you, they're going to 

1558
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:56,400
come back and enslave you. 
So that was good. 

1559
01:20:56,920 --> 01:20:59,720
But yeah, the Summer Islanders 
are the ones who were had reason

1560
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:02,600
to be afraid because the Giscard
even today are the biggest 

1561
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:05,440
slavers in the world since the 
Valyrians are gone because the 

1562
01:21:05,440 --> 01:21:08,440
Valyrians took that title away. 
But then, yeah, gave it back. 

1563
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:10,920
But nowadays, the Summer 
Islanders are difficult. 

1564
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:13,400
You don't go after them. 
You don't do slave raids. 

1565
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:16,320
They're nearly as often anymore 
because they're well prepared 

1566
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:18,440
for that. 
That's why it was a daring raid 

1567
01:21:18,440 --> 01:21:20,800
on Tall Trees Town, when we hear
about that from this Corsair 

1568
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,400
king during A Feast for Crows, 
because it's not a common 

1569
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:25,360
occurrence anymore. 
They're well prepared. 

1570
01:21:25,480 --> 01:21:29,360
The bows in particular are what 
make them so difficult to 

1571
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:31,080
attack. 
They can hit you from far away. 

1572
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:34,160
They're really good with them. 
A good example of the concept we

1573
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:38,640
were discussing earlier about 
naming the Gascari called it the

1574
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:41,080
Demon Isle. 
Obviously the Summer Islanders 

1575
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:43,920
weren't calling it that and they
didn't even know the Gascari 

1576
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:47,680
were using that name. 
Here's a follow up quote in 

1577
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:51,880
terms of how it impacted them 
and what it spurred them to. 

1578
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:56,280
Next quote this. 
Contact had a profound effect 

1579
01:21:56,280 --> 01:22:00,000
upon the Summer Islanders 
themselves, for it proved that 

1580
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:03,680
other peoples lived in the lands
beyond the waves. 

1581
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:09,880
Their curiosity and avarice thus
awakened, the Princess of the 

1582
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:14,480
Isles began to build larger and 
stronger ships capable of 

1583
01:22:14,480 --> 01:22:19,040
carrying sufficient provisions 
to cross long stretches of ocean

1584
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:22,720
whilst withstanding even the 
fiercest storms at sea. 

1585
01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:28,040
Malthar Zak, a Prince of the 
small island of Koj, was the 

1586
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:32,120
greatest of these shipbuilders 
and is remembered today as 

1587
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:36,400
Malthar the Wind Rider and 
Malthar the Map Maker. 

1588
01:22:37,440 --> 01:22:40,320
As we see a lot of times in 
history, there's a particular 

1589
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:44,880
individual credited with 
starting a very long term trend 

1590
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:48,800
that pays off even now. 
As we saw earlier, Koj is where 

1591
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:51,320
3/4 of the Swan ships are built 
to this day. 

1592
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:56,160
And this Malthar Zak fellow 
lived thousands of years ago. 

1593
01:22:56,160 --> 01:22:58,400
He lived during the time of the 
old Empire of Gist. 

1594
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:03,320
That's like seriously 5 to 8000 
years ago, long ago. 

1595
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:06,160
And this guy is famous. 
He's an example. 

1596
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:09,800
He is like an Aegon the 
Conqueror of his people but much

1597
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:13,480
older. 
Maybe Grasdan of of GIS or a 

1598
01:23:13,480 --> 01:23:16,240
Brandon the Builder type figure 
is more accurate. 

1599
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:18,880
Maybe even a Garth Greenhand 
type figure. 

1600
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:22,080
Less supernatural or not 
supernatural at all. 

1601
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:26,680
Just a very brave forward 
thinking person that whose 

1602
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:32,560
actions had a long lasting 
impact on the culture that is 

1603
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:35,720
still present today. 
Here's what happened next. 

1604
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:40,800
It kicked off what they say is a
new time, a new era right here 

1605
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:44,480
quote. 
A new era of exploration and 

1606
01:23:44,480 --> 01:23:48,760
trade began as the great ships 
struck out across the waters, 

1607
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:52,080
dispatched by Malthar and his 
fellow Princess. 

1608
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:56,960
Many did not return. 
More did Nath. 

1609
01:23:57,200 --> 01:24:01,560
The Basilisk Isles, the northern
coasts of Sothorios, and the 

1610
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:06,320
southern coasts of both Westeros
and Essos were all visited, and 

1611
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:10,760
within less than half a century 
a thriving trade had grown up 

1612
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:14,160
between the Summer Isles and the
Freehold of Valyria. 

1613
01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:18,400
Mad wealth must have gone back 
and forth there as these two 

1614
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:20,240
powerful, wealthy nations 
discovered each other. 

1615
01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:21,640
Of course, Summer Isles aren't 
nearly as powerful 

1616
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:24,280
militaristically, but they have 
so much wealth that makes them a

1617
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:29,240
big player on the international 
marketplace, Which was barely a 

1618
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:30,760
thing back then. 
There was a lot of trade 

1619
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:32,760
probably made between the Great,
the Great Empire, the Dawn 

1620
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:37,040
prior, and when Valyria was at 
its apex or at its peak, which 

1621
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:40,440
was a very long peak. 
They certainly facilitated lots 

1622
01:24:40,440 --> 01:24:43,880
of trade in all directions, 
including with Sarnor and and 

1623
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:46,920
Karth and and and maybe Ashai. 
Certainly they just tried to 

1624
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:49,520
establish trading posts in the 
Basilisk Isles and in the 

1625
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:51,600
Basilisk Isles in the northern 
coast of Sithorius like they 

1626
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:56,880
were trying to the the point was
all the welfare which the Summer

1627
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:59,320
Islanders were also extracting. 
So the Summer Islanders can 

1628
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:01,600
extract wealth from Sothorios 
and then trade it to Valyria, or

1629
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:03,800
keep some of it for themselves 
however they see fit. 

1630
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:07,480
This must have been such an 
interesting time to live in. 

1631
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:13,120
Where every week Malthar and his
fellow Princess are sending out 

1632
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:17,120
ships, and every week ships are 
coming back from voyages that 

1633
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:20,680
left six months to a year ago. 
And every time they're bringing 

1634
01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:25,000
new information, new history, 
new lands, new peoples, new 

1635
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:28,600
goods, new fruit, new spice, new
everything. 

1636
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:31,520
It's just would have been just 
constant excitement. 

1637
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:35,720
And what a great time for 
storytelling. 

1638
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:38,320
I suppose if someone wanted to, 
if, if ever people were looking 

1639
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:40,320
for an interesting time in the 
history of the Summer Isles, 

1640
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:43,520
their age of exploration would 
be just really neat to think 

1641
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:46,920
about. 
Here's a another little quote in

1642
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:49,840
terms of specific things that 
got traded. 

1643
01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:54,560
Yes. 
Now this this somewhat refers to

1644
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:58,280
a quote we had earlier, but it 
expands on this quote the 

1645
01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:01,120
Islands. 
Lacked iron, tin and other 

1646
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:06,000
metals, but were rich in 
gemstones, emeralds, rubies and 

1647
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:08,440
sapphires, and pearls of many 
sorts. 

1648
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:13,360
Spice, nutmeg, cinnamon, pepper 
and hardwoods. 

1649
01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:18,640
A fashion developed amongst the 
dragonlords for monkeys, apes, 

1650
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:22,720
Panther Cubs and parrots. 
Can I just say real quick the 

1651
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:25,560
the Panther Cubs is very 
telling, 'cause you know what 

1652
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:28,840
happens is that they get big and
they they don't have those 

1653
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:30,360
Panthers anymore. 
Yeah. 

1654
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:34,200
That's dangerous. 
Maybe the apes too, 'cause they 

1655
01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:36,960
might get, they probably get 
Catch the baby apes. 

1656
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:40,520
Try to train. 
To be docile and we get huge and

1657
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:43,720
who knows I hope many. 
A dragon Lord was mauled. 

1658
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:48,120
You can hope. 
So it really figures, doesn't 

1659
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:51,840
it, that they would just try to 
make pets out of all the living 

1660
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:54,400
creatures of the world. 
And these are slavers and and 

1661
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:56,240
they think they own everything. 
So yeah. 

1662
01:26:57,240 --> 01:27:00,000
But I wonder if the sport loving
Valyrians ever had a rally 

1663
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:01,520
monkey on the lighter side. 
Right. 

1664
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:04,200
We can we can use our 
imagination to come up with with

1665
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:07,080
humorous things rather than just
imagining how awful the 

1666
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:11,640
Valerians were. 
Mark Mullindor, Westerosi is 

1667
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:13,480
seen to have a pet monkey in A 
Clash of Kings. 

1668
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:15,280
It has a little suit of 
chainmail. 

1669
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:18,800
He loses part of his arm and the
monkey in the Battle of 

1670
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:21,080
Blackwater. 
Damn poor monkey, I don't care 

1671
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:25,320
about his arm so much. 
Mega Tyrell asked Marjorie for 

1672
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:28,200
help finding him a new monkey 
because she likes him and she's 

1673
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:30,120
like, well that would make him 
feel better if she finds him a 

1674
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:32,920
new monkey. 
I don't know that she succeeded.

1675
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:36,640
We do know that Mark was sent to
the dungeons as part of Cersei's

1676
01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:39,000
accusations against Marjorie. 
So he was caught up in that. 

1677
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:43,440
Instead of getting a new monkey,
he gets thrown in prison for not

1678
01:27:43,440 --> 01:27:46,240
doing anything. 
So that's, that's Cersei for 

1679
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:50,040
you. 
Let's talk about gods and 

1680
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:52,600
worship. 
Here is a quote to kick us off. 

1681
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:57,600
Though a score of gods, both 
great and small, are honored on 

1682
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:01,760
the Summer Isles, a special 
reverence is shown to the God 

1683
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:04,880
and goddess of love, beauty, and
fertility. 

1684
01:28:05,440 --> 01:28:09,280
The union of male and female is 
sacred to these deities. 

1685
01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:13,720
By joining together in this act 
of worship, the Islanders 

1686
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:19,240
believe men and women give honor
to the gods who made them, be 

1687
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:24,520
they rich or poor, male or 
female, of high birth or low. 

1688
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:29,280
All summer, Islanders are 
expected to dwell for a time in 

1689
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:33,920
the temples of love that dot the
islands, sharing their bodies 

1690
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:37,920
with any who might desire them. 
The quote's actually a lot 

1691
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:41,080
lengthier than that, and it goes
on to say how it's expected and 

1692
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:45,560
respected as worthy of on the 
same level as music, sculpture, 

1693
01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:49,400
dance and other art forms. 
Now there's a lot of real world 

1694
01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:52,720
work going on behind the scenes 
here you could point to that 

1695
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:57,080
shows that, for example, sex 
work is only decriminalized in 

1696
01:28:57,080 --> 01:28:58,960
two countries, Belgium and New 
Zealand. 

1697
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:01,880
But also it's legalized in 
certain like areas like carve 

1698
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:06,120
outs like parts of Nevada for 
example, but where almost 

1699
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:12,240
wherever sex work is legalized 
or permitted, there's a drop in 

1700
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:15,200
sexual assaults and just violent
crime in general. 

1701
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:20,560
So this is an extension of we 
have a culture that has this 

1702
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:24,400
permissive and open and almost 
Worshipful attitude towards sex 

1703
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:26,360
and also doesn't have a lot of 
warfare. 

1704
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:28,640
So I think George is connecting 
these two things and I think he 

1705
01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:30,880
should because it is connected 
in the real world. 

1706
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:36,680
I mean, war is the number one 
place where sexual assault 

1707
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:40,280
happens when it is the by far. 
It's just, it's disgusting, but 

1708
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:43,160
it's true, can I say? 
It's kind of an interesting 

1709
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:47,920
counterpoint to be on the wall, 
yeah. 

1710
01:29:47,960 --> 01:29:49,480
Yeah. 
Just cause like they're all 

1711
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:52,720
they're permissive, but in a 
kind of a very different way. 

1712
01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:55,440
And so they are there is still 
like sexual assault, but do the 

1713
01:29:55,440 --> 01:29:58,600
women see it as much as as 
sexual as I don't know, but it's

1714
01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:02,000
a it's certainly it's like. 
They don't tolerate sexual 

1715
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:05,520
assault in the Beyond the wall. 
They tolerate it if the man is 

1716
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:08,000
good enough. 
Like it's like if you're good 

1717
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:10,680
enough at not the assault part, 
but at the at the capturing and 

1718
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:11,560
the stealing. 
If you're. 

1719
01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:13,920
So there is a level of like you 
have to be good enough at what 

1720
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:15,920
you're doing. 
Yeah, we really would have to. 

1721
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:19,040
Interview more women beyond the 
wall to have a better 

1722
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:23,960
understanding of if they feel 
you know power in that or or 

1723
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:25,800
lacking in power. 
I don't really know. 

1724
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:27,880
I don't want to assume one way 
or the other and I'm sure it 

1725
01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:30,560
varies, but like like. 
Like someone like a Gilly would 

1726
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:32,920
be like, no, but like he grits 
like, well, yeah, yeah, that's 

1727
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:35,360
exactly my point, someone. 
Like a grit is like, well, yeah,

1728
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:38,080
I feel, I, I, I have all the 
control I need, you know? 

1729
01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:39,680
Yeah, he's like, well. 
Yeah, I just kill him in his 

1730
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:40,840
sleep. 
Like, what more do you need? 

1731
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:43,520
You know, it's like Gilly's like
I wouldn't, if I could do that, 

1732
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:44,800
I would have killed Craster long
ago. 

1733
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:49,080
You know, I was like, so it's 
not so simple, but for so some 

1734
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:50,880
women, and maybe it does seem 
that way because they are 

1735
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:53,200
capable in ways that a Gilly 
might not be. 

1736
01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:55,000
Yeah. 
So this is a really interesting 

1737
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:57,400
facet of it that touches on a 
lot of real world stuff that I'm

1738
01:30:57,400 --> 01:31:00,200
no expert on, but there is a lot
of bases here. 

1739
01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:03,200
There's a place in the South 
Pacific called Mangia. 

1740
01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:04,600
Yes. 
Mangia. 

1741
01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:09,920
It's spelled Mangia, where 
there's a strong cultural focus 

1742
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:14,320
on female sexual pleasure. 
It is height of importance. 

1743
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:15,960
A lot of women are awake going 
wait where? 

1744
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:19,400
Where is this island exactly? 
Yes, Mangia in the South 

1745
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:21,320
Pacific. 
I hadn't heard of it before 

1746
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:25,120
either honestly. 
So it's not exactly popular, but

1747
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:27,080
it is a thing. 
It's a real it is a real thing 

1748
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:29,840
and has existed in other 
cultures and times and places 

1749
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:32,840
throughout the world as well. 
Perhaps the most famous non 

1750
01:31:32,840 --> 01:31:37,400
modern book on sexuality is the 
Kamasutra open the butt of jokes

1751
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:40,000
in western culture. 
As a book of sex positions. 

1752
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:42,640
It is not that. 
I mean, it does have that, but 

1753
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:45,960
that is not the point. 
It has a much more broader high 

1754
01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:50,280
minded goal, living well, 
emotional fulfillment, finding 

1755
01:31:50,280 --> 01:31:53,040
love, finding partners, but 
yeah, also pleasure. 

1756
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:56,240
But mostly with how pleasure 
connects and supports and 

1757
01:31:56,240 --> 01:32:00,680
relates to those other concepts 
like fulfillment, love and and 

1758
01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:05,280
living well. 
It was written by Vatsyayana. 

1759
01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:08,360
I'm probably saying that wrong 
in probably the second or third 

1760
01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:10,800
century, so 17 to 1800 years 
ago. 

1761
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:14,680
He was a philosopher with a 
religious goal in mind for this 

1762
01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:17,440
quote after. 
Reading and considering the 

1763
01:32:17,440 --> 01:32:21,520
works of Babravia and other 
ancient authors, and thinking 

1764
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:25,640
over the meaning of the rules 
given by them, this treatise was

1765
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:29,720
composed according to the 
precepts of the Holy Writ for 

1766
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:34,760
the benefit of the world by 
Vatsyayana while leading the 

1767
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:39,320
life of a religious student at 
Banaras and wholly engaged in 

1768
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:44,560
the contemplation of the Deity. 
This work is not to be used 

1769
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:48,160
merely as an instrument for 
satisfying our desires. 

1770
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:52,400
A person acquainted with the 
true principles of this science,

1771
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:57,760
who preserves his Dharma virtue 
or religious merit, his arta, 

1772
01:32:58,120 --> 01:33:02,120
worldly wealth, and his Kama, 
pleasure or sensual 

1773
01:33:02,120 --> 01:33:06,160
gratification, and who has 
regard to the customs of the 

1774
01:33:06,160 --> 01:33:10,240
people, is sure to obtain the 
mastery over his senses. 

1775
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:15,440
In short, an intelligent and 
knowing person, attending to 

1776
01:33:15,440 --> 01:33:19,920
Dharma and Arta and also to 
Karma, without becoming the 

1777
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:24,320
slave of his passions, will 
obtain success in everything 

1778
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:27,840
that he may do. 
So yeah, that's the 

1779
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:29,880
undercurrent. 
There is not pleasure, it's not 

1780
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:32,880
sex, it's not getting off. 
It's discipline. 

1781
01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:35,320
That's the underlying anchor 
between all those things. 

1782
01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:37,640
Sure, those other elements are 
contained, the pleasure and the 

1783
01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:40,920
all the joy and the all these 
other things, but the goal is to

1784
01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:45,240
obtain mastery of his senses. 
It's explicitly saying this is 

1785
01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:48,680
not about only gratification. 
This work is not to be used 

1786
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:50,800
merely as an instrument for 
satisfying desires. 

1787
01:33:51,280 --> 01:33:54,840
Master these things rather than 
becoming a slave to your 

1788
01:33:54,840 --> 01:33:56,720
passion. 
So he's acknowledging the 

1789
01:33:56,720 --> 01:34:00,200
downside and why this is 
important to master these 

1790
01:34:00,200 --> 01:34:02,600
things. 
So why did I bring this up? 

1791
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:04,880
Why did I have a share read from
the Kama Sutra? 

1792
01:34:05,440 --> 01:34:09,680
Because we don't have direct 
religious writing on this. 

1793
01:34:09,800 --> 01:34:12,960
What we would call now sex 
positive culture. 

1794
01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:15,560
That isn't a term that 
necessarily existed in the past,

1795
01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:19,800
but the concept is not new. 
Sex positive as a term is new, 

1796
01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:23,360
relatively speaking. 
So if we don't have distinct 

1797
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:26,440
real examples from the Summer 
Islands, why not look to the 

1798
01:34:26,440 --> 01:34:28,600
best analog we have in the real 
world? 

1799
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:30,760
What does the real world sex 
positive culture look like? 

1800
01:34:30,760 --> 01:34:33,880
And we can kind of overlap that 
of the Summer Islands a little, 

1801
01:34:33,880 --> 01:34:36,080
at least a little bit to get an 
idea of what they might be 

1802
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:37,560
thinking. 
If they're making it high 

1803
01:34:37,560 --> 01:34:40,800
minded, then we should look at 
what the high minded people of 

1804
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:44,640
the world have done and think 
about it in that on those terms.

1805
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:48,120
If you were an HBO writer 
working on adapting more of 

1806
01:34:48,120 --> 01:34:51,400
George's work for screen and the
story called for the Summer 

1807
01:34:51,400 --> 01:34:56,760
Islanders to be involved, I 
would think that reading about 

1808
01:34:56,840 --> 01:34:59,640
this type of culture, reading 
about reading the Kama Sutra, 

1809
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:02,600
reading about the philosophical 
writers who have taken this on 

1810
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:05,120
and made a career of it and 
start there. 

1811
01:35:05,160 --> 01:35:09,360
You know, now this is, I can't 
go too far with this because 

1812
01:35:10,040 --> 01:35:12,240
this isn't necessarily what 
George had in mind for the 

1813
01:35:12,240 --> 01:35:14,520
Summer Islander religion, but I 
think it's at least a good 

1814
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:17,480
starting point. 
The Westerosi maesters are too 

1815
01:35:17,480 --> 01:35:20,360
ignorant of this for George to 
get too deep on it too, because 

1816
01:35:20,360 --> 01:35:24,680
they they're very sexually 
ignorant and inexperienced when 

1817
01:35:24,680 --> 01:35:28,480
it comes to their own culture. 
Westerosi maesters are basically

1818
01:35:29,360 --> 01:35:32,320
sexless academics, which I don't
mean to, that doesn't denigrate 

1819
01:35:32,320 --> 01:35:34,120
academics. 
I'm just saying like they live 

1820
01:35:34,120 --> 01:35:36,960
their whole life in academia 
without having relationships. 

1821
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:40,440
What do they know about sex 
other than the clinical aspects 

1822
01:35:40,440 --> 01:35:41,520
of it? 
They don't have it. 

1823
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:43,160
They don't they don't coming 
they're not coming at it from an

1824
01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:47,080
experiential position. 
Hey, hey, they don't come at it 

1825
01:35:47,080 --> 01:35:50,560
for with experience and they 
don't understand any of this. 

1826
01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:52,920
This is completely alien. 
These concepts are like, yeah, 

1827
01:35:52,920 --> 01:35:57,400
they esteem sex and love and I 
don't know, it sounds well, 

1828
01:35:57,400 --> 01:36:00,160
that's what they do. 
You know, it's if they they 

1829
01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:02,840
really don't get it. 
And this is a small downside of 

1830
01:36:02,880 --> 01:36:06,160
of George presenting us 
information through in world 

1831
01:36:06,160 --> 01:36:09,680
characters rather than 
narrators, But I still vastly 

1832
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:13,000
prefer it this way. 
If George wants to expand on 

1833
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:14,840
these concepts, that's what 
interviews are for. 

1834
01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:16,400
If he wants to tell us what he 
was thinking. 

1835
01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:20,440
But in terms of the books like 
the World of Ice and Fire, it 

1836
01:36:20,440 --> 01:36:24,280
wouldn't make sense for the 
maesters to really grasp what a 

1837
01:36:24,280 --> 01:36:27,000
sex positive culture looks like.
You know, they don't, they 

1838
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:28,560
wouldn't get it. 
They don't have that experience.

1839
01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:30,880
They don't have that basis. 
Everything is just Westeros to 

1840
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:33,760
them. 
And George himself getting a 

1841
01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:36,080
little bit meta. 
This is a Roman Catholic man. 

1842
01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:39,800
So that was his upbringing. 
That's not where he landed, but 

1843
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:41,160
it's definitely part of who he 
was. 

1844
01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:44,280
But he he basically became a 
hippie, you know, so a hippie 

1845
01:36:44,280 --> 01:36:48,480
who married another hippie. 
So he's very well read, You 

1846
01:36:48,480 --> 01:36:50,960
know, he's more he, he didn't 
come from a free love 

1847
01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:53,520
environment of his upbringing, 
but that's where he sort of 

1848
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:56,880
trended towards as he got older.
So I think he may have had a 

1849
01:36:56,880 --> 01:36:59,240
little extra fun with the Summer
Islands because it may be more 

1850
01:36:59,240 --> 01:37:02,440
reflects how he wants the world 
to be, whereas Westeros is more 

1851
01:37:02,440 --> 01:37:05,520
what he sees it as. 
Anyway, I might be reading a 

1852
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:07,240
little too much into George 
there, but I think there's some 

1853
01:37:07,240 --> 01:37:08,560
basis there. 
I think you're right. 

1854
01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:11,320
That he definitely views it 
positively. 

1855
01:37:11,320 --> 01:37:15,800
It is idyllic. 
It is, you know, he I, I, 

1856
01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:19,480
although I want I, I like that 
he is also sure to point out 

1857
01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:22,560
their their flaws when he brings
up like the avarice of the 

1858
01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:26,360
Princess, you know, like they 
with all these positive traits, 

1859
01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:29,320
they're still greedy, they still
fight, they still kill people, 

1860
01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:32,800
you know, all of these things. 
So like, he has some nuance to 

1861
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:34,120
it. 
Agreed. 

1862
01:37:35,240 --> 01:37:40,600
Now another aspect of violence 
and sex is that it's also I I 

1863
01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:44,080
said that the prevalence places 
that have brothels and sex work 

1864
01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:49,000
have large to modest drop offs 
in in sexual assaults and 

1865
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:51,160
regular violence. 
They also have a drop off in 

1866
01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:53,560
drug use. 
Now George just doesn't have a 

1867
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:56,560
lot of drug use or drugs in his 
world at all. 

1868
01:37:56,560 --> 01:37:59,120
There's a lot of drinking. 
Maybe the Summer Islanders drink

1869
01:37:59,120 --> 01:38:01,840
less because of that too. 
The bar is pretty low there too,

1870
01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:05,440
though Nina adds that there's a 
certain level of discomfort for 

1871
01:38:05,440 --> 01:38:08,520
her, and certainly this is 
shared by other people, to the 

1872
01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:11,640
extent to which George has had 
the culture of the Summer 

1873
01:38:11,640 --> 01:38:13,880
Islands revolve around sex, 
'cause you could have them be 

1874
01:38:13,880 --> 01:38:17,120
sex positive without it being 
just so central to their 

1875
01:38:17,120 --> 01:38:21,280
culture, right? 
Westeros, their antagonism 

1876
01:38:21,280 --> 01:38:25,120
towards sex, that violence isn't
necessarily upheld as positive. 

1877
01:38:25,120 --> 01:38:26,680
It's just what happens, right? 
It isn't. 

1878
01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:28,720
Their culture doesn't revolve 
around that. 

1879
01:38:28,720 --> 01:38:31,400
It's just a big thing that 
people don't like to talk about.

1880
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:37,520
So that might be a little some 
people could see that as 

1881
01:38:37,800 --> 01:38:39,240
painting with too broad of a 
brush. 

1882
01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:41,280
Or, well, it's a trope. 
A trope. 

1883
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:42,680
Sure, the trope is maybe the 
right word. 

1884
01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:45,560
Yeah, just the oversexed exotic 
people, you know? 

1885
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:47,800
Yeah, exactly. 
And so, like, you can't divorce 

1886
01:38:47,800 --> 01:38:51,720
the series from the tropes and 
the world it lives in, even if 

1887
01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:55,280
you're like, well, within the 
world, he's it's celebratory. 

1888
01:38:55,280 --> 01:38:58,040
It's this, it's that it still 
exists within our world. 

1889
01:38:58,040 --> 01:38:58,960
Right. 
Yeah. 

1890
01:38:59,240 --> 01:39:01,520
And Nina says the same thing. 
She don't she doesn't say George

1891
01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:04,160
is acting in bad faith here, but
there is some of that exotic 

1892
01:39:04,160 --> 01:39:06,240
equals erotic trope happening 
here. 

1893
01:39:06,440 --> 01:39:07,840
You know, that's fair. 
That's fair. 

1894
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:10,520
I mean, he is, he is working in 
dangerous territory with that. 

1895
01:39:10,520 --> 01:39:12,640
Not dangerous, but it is a 
little, you know, it's, it's an 

1896
01:39:12,640 --> 01:39:15,000
area of sexuality and things 
like that. 

1897
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:18,160
You do it gets personal with 
with the readers like we, we, 

1898
01:39:18,240 --> 01:39:20,280
it's easy. 
It's it's it's an ironic thing 

1899
01:39:20,280 --> 01:39:22,640
that we can more easily detach 
from people getting their heads 

1900
01:39:22,640 --> 01:39:24,160
cut off. 
You know, because that's not 

1901
01:39:24,160 --> 01:39:27,320
really a part of our world for 
most of us, but this but 

1902
01:39:27,320 --> 01:39:30,600
sexuality is so yeah, fair, fair
points. 

1903
01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:33,640
Good thing that we like to be 
thorough and yeah, criticize 

1904
01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:36,000
where it's where it's 
appropriate or at least raise 

1905
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:37,440
the issue of potential 
criticism. 

1906
01:39:37,440 --> 01:39:39,000
Well, actually, what I'd. 
Like to bring up here too, is 

1907
01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:43,000
that he's brought up how he he 
when he thought about if he had 

1908
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:44,800
made the Valyrians black. 
Oh yeah. 

1909
01:39:44,840 --> 01:39:47,600
Yeah, you know, like this is. 
Kind of related to that, you 

1910
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:52,520
know, sure, just just if he had,
they wouldn't be the main black 

1911
01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:54,440
culture and the sexualized 
culture. 

1912
01:39:54,440 --> 01:39:56,920
There would be multiple, that's 
true. 

1913
01:39:57,200 --> 01:39:59,120
And of course, the reason George
didn't do that is just because 

1914
01:39:59,120 --> 01:40:01,200
he thought they'd be dark elves.
And he's like, they're just like

1915
01:40:01,200 --> 01:40:03,080
dark elves. 
I don't want to do dark elves if

1916
01:40:03,120 --> 01:40:05,680
he had. 
Plenty of criticisms if he had. 

1917
01:40:05,680 --> 01:40:08,000
And yeah, you know, it's, you 
can't say what would have 

1918
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:11,120
happened if if he'd done that, 
but I see why he didn't. 

1919
01:40:11,400 --> 01:40:13,640
Yeah. 
It's hard to make realistic ish 

1920
01:40:13,640 --> 01:40:17,800
races that have, you know, big 
flaws and big, you know, 

1921
01:40:17,800 --> 01:40:20,680
cultural touchstones and not, 
you know, make people think of 

1922
01:40:20,680 --> 01:40:23,960
real world stuff and 
occasionally they can hurt some 

1923
01:40:23,960 --> 01:40:26,880
feelings or, you know, whatever.
Anyway, let's move on. 

1924
01:40:27,040 --> 01:40:29,200
I think that's a a a worthy 
discussion, but I think we've 

1925
01:40:29,200 --> 01:40:32,280
covered it for now. 
If you're enjoying our 

1926
01:40:32,280 --> 01:40:35,720
discussions today, whether 
they're world building related 

1927
01:40:35,720 --> 01:40:38,240
or some of our past episodes 
where we delve more deeply into 

1928
01:40:38,240 --> 01:40:42,360
theories of the supernatural or 
do big character studies, Well, 

1929
01:40:42,360 --> 01:40:44,480
this is what we're here for. 
This is what we love to do. 

1930
01:40:44,720 --> 01:40:48,080
This is this is our job. 
Me and a Shaya do this full time

1931
01:40:48,360 --> 01:40:53,720
and well, the way I do it in the
real world with my consumption 

1932
01:40:53,720 --> 01:40:57,440
of podcasts is the ones I listen
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1933
01:40:57,440 --> 01:40:59,480
support financially. 
Simple as that. 

1934
01:40:59,480 --> 01:41:04,240
If I consume 3 hours of this 
podcast a week and only like 1/2

1935
01:41:04,240 --> 01:41:07,120
an hour of this other one, well 
I'm a lot more likely to support

1936
01:41:07,120 --> 01:41:09,720
the one I spend hours a week on.
If you are someone that's 

1937
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:12,960
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1938
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1939
01:41:16,040 --> 01:41:19,120
Westeros. 
It's not just a fire and forget.

1940
01:41:19,320 --> 01:41:22,840
You can't treat it that way, but
we give a little back to people 

1941
01:41:22,840 --> 01:41:26,680
who sign up bonus episodes, the 
ability to participate in polls 

1942
01:41:26,680 --> 01:41:30,360
like topics moot once a year. 
And Speaking of, we're going to 

1943
01:41:30,360 --> 01:41:34,160
do a a mini moot near the end of
the year. 

1944
01:41:34,240 --> 01:41:38,920
Thanks to thanks to the moving 
of the Seven Kingdom, the Night 

1945
01:41:38,920 --> 01:41:41,920
of the Seven Kingdoms show has 
been pushed to January February 

1946
01:41:41,920 --> 01:41:44,400
2026. 
We plan for this year for that 

1947
01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:47,800
show to be happening. 
So we had carved off like an 8 

1948
01:41:47,800 --> 01:41:50,840
week block near the end of the 
year to work on that. 

1949
01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:53,400
That's not happening until next 
year, early next year. 

1950
01:41:53,400 --> 01:41:55,840
So we're going to come up with 
some new topics, some new ideas 

1951
01:41:55,840 --> 01:41:58,920
to to cover that space. 
Instead that will mean doing a 

1952
01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:00,480
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1953
01:42:00,480 --> 01:42:03,960
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1954
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:06,840
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1955
01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:09,840
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1956
01:42:10,760 --> 01:42:13,480
Guilty, Undertaker says sort of 
like the island of Hawaii is the

1957
01:42:13,480 --> 01:42:15,480
biggest, but Oahu is the most 
populous. 

1958
01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:18,080
Good example, Iron Owens is the 
same. 

1959
01:42:18,080 --> 01:42:20,760
Old Wick is the largest, but it 
is not the most populous. 

1960
01:42:21,320 --> 01:42:23,000
So that is not an uncommon thing
at all. 

1961
01:42:23,160 --> 01:42:26,400
Like think about Japan. 
Japan is there's 160 million 

1962
01:42:26,400 --> 01:42:30,400
Japanese people in the world 
roughly, but only like 10% of 

1963
01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:33,080
Japan is liveable. 
What? 

1964
01:42:34,160 --> 01:42:36,040
Right. 
But that's not, you know, 

1965
01:42:36,040 --> 01:42:38,360
compared like the Sahara Desert,
unliveable. 

1966
01:42:38,360 --> 01:42:40,280
There's huge parts of the US 
that are unliveable. 

1967
01:42:40,280 --> 01:42:43,520
Death Valley, you know, the 
terrain is not the map, right? 

1968
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:45,240
People live where people can 
live. 

1969
01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:50,720
Land is not all equal. 
All right, let's get into some 

1970
01:42:50,720 --> 01:42:54,240
of the darker subject matter. 
War and slavery, pretty much the

1971
01:42:54,240 --> 01:42:56,040
darkest subject matters there 
are here. 

1972
01:42:56,640 --> 01:42:58,320
The Summer Islanders are not 
conquerors. 

1973
01:42:58,320 --> 01:43:01,520
They've never conquered anything
other than perhaps from each 

1974
01:43:01,520 --> 01:43:03,640
other. 
And that isn't perhaps maybe 

1975
01:43:03,640 --> 01:43:05,800
that isn't even properly called 
conquest, but whatever. 

1976
01:43:06,120 --> 01:43:08,440
Semantics. 
Mostly this is because of how 

1977
01:43:08,440 --> 01:43:09,640
far away they live from anybody 
else. 

1978
01:43:09,640 --> 01:43:12,680
Like, who are they going to 
conquer and then managed to 

1979
01:43:12,760 --> 01:43:14,560
still govern from such a 
distance? 

1980
01:43:14,560 --> 01:43:17,560
Like that would be a very 
difficult conquest to manage 

1981
01:43:17,560 --> 01:43:20,240
indeed. 
And there haven't been any real 

1982
01:43:20,240 --> 01:43:22,880
attempts to conquer them either 
for similar reason. 

1983
01:43:22,920 --> 01:43:25,040
Like, wow, that would be 
difficult to pull off. 

1984
01:43:25,040 --> 01:43:26,880
It's so far from our center of 
government. 

1985
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:28,440
Valyria would try to conquer the
summer islands. 

1986
01:43:28,840 --> 01:43:33,280
I mean, days and days of travel,
weeks and weeks on by dragon 

1987
01:43:33,280 --> 01:43:35,800
back, weeks by ship, just to, 
like, communicate. 

1988
01:43:35,840 --> 01:43:37,600
Yeah. 
It just wouldn't work. 

1989
01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:41,720
It wouldn't work. 
But also just the whole concept 

1990
01:43:41,720 --> 01:43:45,720
of war and fighting. 
It's just different in some very

1991
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:49,680
fundamental ways on the Summer 
Islands, quote wars. 

1992
01:43:49,680 --> 01:43:54,560
On the summer Isles seldom last 
longer than a day and do no harm

1993
01:43:54,560 --> 01:43:57,120
to any but the warriors 
themselves. 

1994
01:43:57,520 --> 01:44:02,960
No crops are destroyed, no homes
are put to the torch, no cities 

1995
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:06,880
are sacked, no children are 
harmed, no women are raped. 

1996
01:44:07,320 --> 01:44:10,480
The warrior women OFT fight 
beside their men in the line of 

1997
01:44:10,480 --> 01:44:13,000
battle. 
Even the defeated Princess 

1998
01:44:13,000 --> 01:44:17,320
suffer neither death nor 
disfigurement, though they must 

1999
01:44:17,320 --> 01:44:21,040
leave their homes and palaces to
spend the remainder of their 

2000
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:25,040
days in exile. 
So this is a little piece of 

2001
01:44:25,040 --> 01:44:26,880
connective tissue that you may 
not have realized. 

2002
01:44:27,080 --> 01:44:33,680
JAL Bargeau is a ass. 
He, he lost and he has to spend 

2003
01:44:33,680 --> 01:44:36,880
the remainder of his days in 
exile by their laws. 

2004
01:44:36,880 --> 01:44:38,960
But he's like, no, I'm an 
election denier. 

2005
01:44:39,240 --> 01:44:43,040
He wants to bring Westerosi 
Knights and armies to somewhere 

2006
01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:48,600
else to get his, his veil back, 
which he lost fair and square, 

2007
01:44:48,600 --> 01:44:50,800
at least as far as we can tell. 
So for all we know. 

2008
01:44:50,800 --> 01:44:53,200
There was something that went 
on. 

2009
01:44:53,320 --> 01:44:54,680
Yeah, maybe he was. 
Untoward. 

2010
01:44:54,680 --> 01:44:56,240
On the other side, like what we 
can't? 

2011
01:44:56,520 --> 01:45:00,120
No, but probably the other 
person fought valiantly and won,

2012
01:45:00,280 --> 01:45:02,480
yeah. 
And even if he lost unfairly, 

2013
01:45:02,880 --> 01:45:05,720
he's would be bringing death and
destruction to a lot of 

2014
01:45:05,920 --> 01:45:08,880
innocence just to, you know, 
because he didn't get what he 

2015
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:09,800
wanted, right? 
Yeah, absolutely. 

2016
01:45:09,800 --> 01:45:11,680
He probably wouldn't follow 
these tenants with those 

2017
01:45:11,680 --> 01:45:13,640
Westerosi Knights because he 
wouldn't actually be able to 

2018
01:45:13,640 --> 01:45:16,480
control them and they would rape
and loot and destroy. 

2019
01:45:17,040 --> 01:45:20,200
Yes. 
So this is the the type of what 

2020
01:45:20,200 --> 01:45:22,840
he's willing to inflict on his 
people because he's not Prince 

2021
01:45:22,840 --> 01:45:26,840
of Red Flower Veil. 
Now, Patucia's point. 

2022
01:45:26,840 --> 01:45:29,200
Yeah, Knights in the Westerosi, 
they would do the things that 

2023
01:45:29,200 --> 01:45:30,560
they do. 
They would rape and kill and 

2024
01:45:30,560 --> 01:45:32,800
murder. 
But this line reads to me like 

2025
01:45:33,920 --> 01:45:36,520
Oberyn in the TV show, He's 
like, we don't harm little girls

2026
01:45:36,520 --> 01:45:38,440
in Dorn. 
And Cersei's like, oh, please. 

2027
01:45:39,320 --> 01:45:41,320
It's like when I'm like, yeah, 
Cersei's right on that one. 

2028
01:45:41,320 --> 01:45:42,760
I was like, no. 
I'm. 

2029
01:45:42,800 --> 01:45:43,600
Positive. 
You're right. 

2030
01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:45,840
Yeah, there's. 
Some women, yeah, Some. 

2031
01:45:45,920 --> 01:45:47,960
There's no way that the maesters
are exaggerating. 

2032
01:45:47,960 --> 01:45:50,720
This is this is the idyllic 
thing that this isn't George 

2033
01:45:50,720 --> 01:45:52,720
saying that. 
This is the maesters saying that

2034
01:45:52,720 --> 01:45:55,640
and not realizing that. 
No, that's not believable. 

2035
01:45:55,960 --> 01:45:58,960
Some this, they're not that good
a people. 

2036
01:45:59,480 --> 01:46:01,440
No, humans are that good, right?
As a whole. 

2037
01:46:01,920 --> 01:46:04,760
So yeah, I don't think I'm being
too cynical. 

2038
01:46:04,760 --> 01:46:06,800
I think these ministers aren't 
being religious, are being 

2039
01:46:06,800 --> 01:46:09,200
realistic enough. 
But maybe I'm wrong. 

2040
01:46:09,480 --> 01:46:11,240
Also I'm just. 
Kind of curious, how far do they

2041
01:46:11,240 --> 01:46:13,040
actually have to go to be in 
exile? 

2042
01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:16,200
Like definitionally you know, 
like does does a Prince have to 

2043
01:46:16,200 --> 01:46:19,720
go to the next island over? 
Just the next veil over the 

2044
01:46:19,720 --> 01:46:22,520
palace. 
All the way to Western Isles. 

2045
01:46:22,640 --> 01:46:24,360
Completely. 
Yeah, doing. 

2046
01:46:24,360 --> 01:46:26,080
How badly they lost or how much 
they were hated. 

2047
01:46:26,080 --> 01:46:27,960
He was really hated. 
He had to go all the way to the 

2048
01:46:27,960 --> 01:46:31,560
Red Keep red from the red flower
veil to the red Keep. 

2049
01:46:32,040 --> 01:46:35,760
He just likes the red places. 
So there's also a a underlying 

2050
01:46:35,760 --> 01:46:38,320
difference in just a societal 
structure here that I think is 

2051
01:46:38,320 --> 01:46:42,440
similar to the Scandinavian 
systems, which is that they had 

2052
01:46:42,440 --> 01:46:44,640
kings and Queens and Princess 
and princesses, but they didn't 

2053
01:46:44,640 --> 01:46:47,360
really have the nobility. 
They didn't really have the 

2054
01:46:47,360 --> 01:46:50,200
feudal system because their 
their geography just didn't 

2055
01:46:50,200 --> 01:46:53,200
support it. 
In we have an episode that was 

2056
01:46:53,200 --> 01:46:55,000
chosen in topics mood that we're
going to do later this year 

2057
01:46:55,000 --> 01:46:56,400
called Norse myth and the long 
nights. 

2058
01:46:56,400 --> 01:46:59,520
I've been learning a lot about 
some of these old Scandinavian 

2059
01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:02,120
countries in in medieval and 
proto medieval times and, and 

2060
01:47:02,120 --> 01:47:05,080
around this era, which is that, 
yeah, they don't have, they 

2061
01:47:05,080 --> 01:47:06,640
don't really have the feudal 
system there because their their

2062
01:47:06,640 --> 01:47:10,440
society couldn't support it. 
Just logistically, you can't 

2063
01:47:10,720 --> 01:47:15,000
make an estate farming all this 
territory to support all these 

2064
01:47:15,000 --> 01:47:18,840
slaves or or serfs or peasants 
or whatever the appropriate term

2065
01:47:18,840 --> 01:47:22,400
is for whichever place we're 
talking about where you have a 

2066
01:47:22,400 --> 01:47:25,440
household nights and all these 
other things supported by this 

2067
01:47:25,440 --> 01:47:27,840
estate. 
The Scandinavia just doesn't 

2068
01:47:27,840 --> 01:47:30,040
support that. 
The land isn't fertile enough. 

2069
01:47:30,040 --> 01:47:33,880
There isn't enough. 
Like only like 2% of Norway can 

2070
01:47:33,880 --> 01:47:36,280
be farmed. 
It's just a tiny amount. 

2071
01:47:36,280 --> 01:47:39,320
So like, where are you supposed 
to support these armies and and 

2072
01:47:39,320 --> 01:47:41,160
people? 
So the feudal system isn't 

2073
01:47:41,160 --> 01:47:43,720
support, not because it just 
didn't they didn't want it. 

2074
01:47:43,720 --> 01:47:46,280
It just doesn't work. 
You, you need to have these 

2075
01:47:46,280 --> 01:47:51,520
levels of I send my food to you 
and you give that food to your 

2076
01:47:51,520 --> 01:47:55,000
troops and they pass their 
troops up to the king when the 

2077
01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:58,800
king calls for them. 
This system can't exist in 

2078
01:47:58,800 --> 01:48:01,520
Scandinavia, couldn't exist in 
old Scandinavia because there 

2079
01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:04,760
wasn't enough food to go around.
And I suspect it's similar in 

2080
01:48:04,760 --> 01:48:07,280
the Summer Isles, maybe not for 
the same reason, maybe because 

2081
01:48:07,320 --> 01:48:10,080
maybe not because there isn't 
enough food to go around, but 

2082
01:48:10,080 --> 01:48:12,680
just because for whatever 
reason, maybe other reasons, 

2083
01:48:12,680 --> 01:48:17,200
they just didn't have this 
feudal system which leads to 

2084
01:48:18,040 --> 01:48:21,480
entangling violence. 
And you don't have anyone to 

2085
01:48:21,480 --> 01:48:23,440
say, hey, call, I call up the 
troops. 

2086
01:48:23,720 --> 01:48:28,920
What troops you don't have the 
troops to call up, you know, let

2087
01:48:30,280 --> 01:48:32,640
all you don't even, let alone 
not having standing armies, you 

2088
01:48:32,640 --> 01:48:34,480
don't even have vassals to call 
on. 

2089
01:48:35,040 --> 01:48:37,560
So that's this is a 
fundamentally different system, 

2090
01:48:37,560 --> 01:48:40,840
which I think we sort of take 
for granted that that such 

2091
01:48:40,840 --> 01:48:43,920
things exist, especially as I'm 
pointing to a Scandinavian 

2092
01:48:43,920 --> 01:48:46,320
system, which is European. 
You think even in Europe this 

2093
01:48:46,320 --> 01:48:48,760
wasn't ubiquitous, although it 
was common. 

2094
01:48:49,440 --> 01:48:52,880
This wasn't though this lack of 
feudal system was the was the 

2095
01:48:52,920 --> 01:48:56,600
not the was the exception. 
The rule was mostly feudal 

2096
01:48:56,600 --> 01:48:58,360
system. 
So yeah. 

2097
01:48:58,360 --> 01:48:59,680
And these are principalities, 
right? 

2098
01:48:59,680 --> 01:49:02,480
These aren't kingdoms or so they
were, they're a little 

2099
01:49:02,640 --> 01:49:04,080
designated a little bit 
differently. 

2100
01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:05,680
They're a little more similar to
Dorne in that way. 

2101
01:49:05,680 --> 01:49:07,480
Although Dorne was united under 
1 Prince. 

2102
01:49:07,480 --> 01:49:10,560
And prior to that there were 
just Lords and yeah, and they 

2103
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:13,960
were kings at at one point. 
So anyway, that's somewhat just 

2104
01:49:13,960 --> 01:49:15,880
semantics, the difference 
between principality and 

2105
01:49:15,880 --> 01:49:18,920
kingdoms. 
But it it is, it is different 

2106
01:49:18,920 --> 01:49:21,600
enough to point out. 
Now the Valyrians of course were

2107
01:49:21,600 --> 01:49:24,280
very interested in all those 
exotic goods we discussed, but 

2108
01:49:24,280 --> 01:49:25,920
that's not all they were 
interested in. 

2109
01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:28,480
It's the Valyrians being 
Valyrian quote. 

2110
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:33,040
The Valyrians offered gold for 
slaves as well. 

2111
01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:37,440
Then as now, the Summer 
Islanders were a handsome 

2112
01:49:37,440 --> 01:49:42,360
people, tall, strong, graceful, 
and quick to learn. 

2113
01:49:42,760 --> 01:49:46,840
These qualities drew pirates and
slavers from Valyria, the 

2114
01:49:46,840 --> 01:49:53,240
Basilisk Isles, and Old Geese. 
Much woe ensued as these Raiders

2115
01:49:53,240 --> 01:49:56,920
descended on peaceful villages 
to carry their inhabitants into 

2116
01:49:56,920 --> 01:50:00,360
bondage. 
For a time, the Princess of the 

2117
01:50:00,360 --> 01:50:04,800
Isles abetted this trade by 
selling captured foes and rivals

2118
01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:07,880
to the slavers. 
The histories carved into the 

2119
01:50:07,880 --> 01:50:13,480
talking trees tell us that these
years of shame endured for the 

2120
01:50:13,480 --> 01:50:18,800
better part of two centuries 
until a warrior woman named 

2121
01:50:18,800 --> 01:50:24,680
Zonda Ko, Princess of Sweet 
Lotus Vale, who had herself been

2122
01:50:24,680 --> 01:50:29,880
enslaved for a time, united all 
the islands under her rule and 

2123
01:50:29,880 --> 01:50:33,840
made an end to it. 
The years of shame It seems like

2124
01:50:33,840 --> 01:50:37,280
the shameful part is the 
collaboration with the slavers. 

2125
01:50:37,280 --> 01:50:41,240
That makes sense. 
It's the most shameful thing and

2126
01:50:41,240 --> 01:50:43,320
like helping slavers enslave 
your own people. 

2127
01:50:43,320 --> 01:50:45,160
That's that's about as bad as it
gets, right? 

2128
01:50:45,160 --> 01:50:47,960
I mean, it's the Valerians are a
whole another culture. 

2129
01:50:47,960 --> 01:50:50,040
It's not they've been doing this
for all along. 

2130
01:50:50,240 --> 01:50:52,680
You don't write the history of 
the if you write the history of 

2131
01:50:52,680 --> 01:50:55,040
the Valerians, you say, yeah, 
they're evil, but it's not the 

2132
01:50:55,040 --> 01:50:56,840
Summer Islanders. 
They're not their shame to bear 

2133
01:50:56,840 --> 01:50:59,520
that the Valerians were slavers.
It's only their shame to bear 

2134
01:50:59,520 --> 01:51:02,520
that they helped. 
And whether this is the reason 

2135
01:51:02,520 --> 01:51:05,320
or not, it did seem to stick. 
It's like, yeah, slavery bad. 

2136
01:51:05,680 --> 01:51:10,760
That was enshrined. 
We tried this it, it was bad for

2137
01:51:10,760 --> 01:51:13,240
our culture. 
It turned US against each other.

2138
01:51:13,720 --> 01:51:19,480
Luckily, Zonda Co emerged and 
and LED her people the right way

2139
01:51:19,480 --> 01:51:23,080
and that stuck. 
So this was a, this was a 

2140
01:51:23,560 --> 01:51:25,960
temporary, historically 
speaking, because it lasted over

2141
01:51:25,960 --> 01:51:27,400
200 years. 
It was very long. 

2142
01:51:27,880 --> 01:51:31,160
But in terms of thousands of 
years of summer I'll history, it

2143
01:51:31,160 --> 01:51:33,240
is a little bit more of a blip 
when you're looking at it that 

2144
01:51:33,240 --> 01:51:35,200
way. 
Most of the time they've been 

2145
01:51:35,200 --> 01:51:38,320
opposed to this. 
Most of the time they they only 

2146
01:51:38,320 --> 01:51:41,520
entertained the idea as a as a 
nation once the richest amongst 

2147
01:51:41,520 --> 01:51:46,640
them were newly introduced to 
the concept and the greater 

2148
01:51:46,640 --> 01:51:48,160
population pushed back against 
it. 

2149
01:51:48,160 --> 01:51:51,160
Clearly it might be worse if you
consider what kind of slaves the

2150
01:51:51,160 --> 01:51:53,640
Valyrians would most value. 
Like the Valyrians are obviously

2151
01:51:53,640 --> 01:51:57,480
they want sex slaves in term and
on top of everything else, and 

2152
01:51:57,480 --> 01:52:00,920
they know that the Summer 
Islanders put this religious 

2153
01:52:00,920 --> 01:52:03,480
importance on sex and you'll be 
good at it. 

2154
01:52:03,480 --> 01:52:04,760
So they would really exploit 
that. 

2155
01:52:04,760 --> 01:52:07,360
It's pretty awful. 
It's a good reason to really 

2156
01:52:07,360 --> 01:52:10,120
pushed back. 
So this was a huge amount of 

2157
01:52:10,120 --> 01:52:13,240
cultural impetus to adapt their 
their people were being enslaved

2158
01:52:13,800 --> 01:52:18,000
and if they didn't fight back, 
it's just like any bully. 

2159
01:52:18,400 --> 01:52:21,440
If you don't push back against 
bullies, they come harder. 

2160
01:52:21,440 --> 01:52:22,640
They're like, look how weak they
are. 

2161
01:52:22,640 --> 01:52:24,800
Let's go double, let's go 
triple, let's go quadruple. 

2162
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:27,960
So if you don't stop the 
slavers, more slavery will 

2163
01:52:27,960 --> 01:52:29,880
happen. 
They'll start establishing 

2164
01:52:29,880 --> 01:52:34,520
outposts on your country and 
start pulling rather than the 

2165
01:52:35,040 --> 01:52:37,560
summer Islander middle men 
selling their own people, the 

2166
01:52:37,560 --> 01:52:40,120
Valerians would come directly to
the source. 

2167
01:52:40,120 --> 01:52:43,720
And it just then it gets harder 
and harder to stop the whole 

2168
01:52:43,720 --> 01:52:46,400
process. 
And that's what happened. 

2169
01:52:46,400 --> 01:52:48,760
They just said, hey, we're going
to fight back, let's find a way 

2170
01:52:48,760 --> 01:52:52,560
to do that. 
And it was weapons of war unlike

2171
01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:55,680
they had ever used before. 
And because they developed these

2172
01:52:55,680 --> 01:52:59,440
weapons to fight invaders, well,
that helped them keep it that 

2173
01:52:59,440 --> 01:53:01,480
way. 
Like we only built these weapons

2174
01:53:01,480 --> 01:53:03,520
to fight invaders. 
Let's not use them on each other

2175
01:53:03,520 --> 01:53:05,680
is kind of the idea here in this
quote. 

2176
01:53:06,560 --> 01:53:10,120
Before I read the quote, shout 
out to the image I just had on, 

2177
01:53:10,600 --> 01:53:14,840
which is a still of a gift set I
made on Tumblr about a decade 

2178
01:53:14,840 --> 01:53:21,760
ago now of Zondaco and quote. 
As iron was scarce and costly in

2179
01:53:21,760 --> 01:53:26,360
the Isles, armor was little 
known, and the long thrusting 

2180
01:53:26,360 --> 01:53:31,200
Spears and short stabbing Spears
traditional amongst the summer 

2181
01:53:31,200 --> 01:53:36,000
Islanders had proved of little 
worth against the steel swords 

2182
01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:41,520
and axes of the slavers. 
So Zonda Co armed her sailors 

2183
01:53:41,520 --> 01:53:46,880
with tall bows of Golden Heart, 
a wood found only on Jala and on

2184
01:53:46,880 --> 01:53:51,160
Boru. 
These great bows far outranged 

2185
01:53:51,160 --> 01:53:54,040
the recurved bows of horn and 
sinew. 

2186
01:53:54,040 --> 01:53:58,720
The slavers carried and could 
throw a yard long shaft hard 

2187
01:53:58,720 --> 01:54:03,080
enough to Pierce through mail 
and boiled leather and even good

2188
01:54:03,080 --> 01:54:06,560
steel plate. 
You might think of people like 

2189
01:54:06,560 --> 01:54:10,600
the Mashika, who were often 
called the Aztecs, or maybe a 

2190
01:54:10,600 --> 01:54:13,560
different South American culture
that lacked metalworking but 

2191
01:54:13,560 --> 01:54:16,720
still found a great substitute 
for war, In their case Obsidian.

2192
01:54:16,720 --> 01:54:21,160
They made wooden planks ridged 
with Obsidian that would be 

2193
01:54:21,160 --> 01:54:24,760
extremely sharp. 
There's no native alternative on

2194
01:54:24,760 --> 01:54:27,400
the Summer Isles, though. 
They don't have Obsidian there. 

2195
01:54:27,400 --> 01:54:30,080
There's no these are not 
volcanic islands, as best as we 

2196
01:54:30,080 --> 01:54:32,640
can tell. 
But they did have this, and they

2197
01:54:32,640 --> 01:54:34,400
found it and they used it. 
They figured out what it was 

2198
01:54:34,400 --> 01:54:35,920
best for, and they made the most
of it. 

2199
01:54:36,600 --> 01:54:39,440
It's the world's best wood other
than dragon bone, which is not 

2200
01:54:39,440 --> 01:54:42,160
wood. 
And they make the world's best 

2201
01:54:42,160 --> 01:54:44,800
bows, which probably means they 
have the world's best bow makers

2202
01:54:44,800 --> 01:54:48,880
too, or at least tied for the 
best with I don't even know who.

2203
01:54:49,320 --> 01:54:51,320
And we're, as we were, we've 
said a few times in this 

2204
01:54:51,320 --> 01:54:53,680
episode, they've only been 
united under a single ruler 

2205
01:54:53,680 --> 01:54:56,680
about 1/2 a dozen times in their
entire many thousands of years 

2206
01:54:56,680 --> 01:54:59,840
of history. 
This was one of them actually, 

2207
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:02,400
sorry, let me say that again. 
Only about half a dozen times 

2208
01:55:02,400 --> 01:55:04,640
since these wars. 
So it would have maybe even 

2209
01:55:04,640 --> 01:55:06,720
been, there would have been a 
few times before that, but this 

2210
01:55:06,720 --> 01:55:08,600
was one of the main times it 
happened and perhaps the most 

2211
01:55:08,600 --> 01:55:11,360
important time it happened 
because it was to push back 

2212
01:55:12,240 --> 01:55:14,520
foreign invaders. 
All those other times it may 

2213
01:55:14,520 --> 01:55:16,400
have happened under a single 
leader. 

2214
01:55:16,680 --> 01:55:18,760
We don't know anything about 
those times, but I doubt it was 

2215
01:55:18,760 --> 01:55:21,040
to push back for an invasion 
because I don't think they've 

2216
01:55:21,040 --> 01:55:24,320
faced that many times Like what 
other invaders would there have 

2217
01:55:24,320 --> 01:55:26,320
been? 
So bows as well. 

2218
01:55:26,320 --> 01:55:29,720
This isn't just thinking about 
the way bows work and their 

2219
01:55:29,720 --> 01:55:31,520
function. 
They're much so. 

2220
01:55:31,520 --> 01:55:34,080
They're good for hunting. 
They can be offensive weapons, 

2221
01:55:34,080 --> 01:55:36,120
but they're better for defense. 
They're better for holding a 

2222
01:55:36,120 --> 01:55:38,080
fixed position when someone else
has happened to come at you and 

2223
01:55:38,080 --> 01:55:40,880
you get to just shoot at them. 
That's the ideal position to be 

2224
01:55:40,880 --> 01:55:46,400
in a bow to be shooting at. 
So attacking a castle with bows 

2225
01:55:46,400 --> 01:55:50,400
is a lot harder to do or a Fort 
than the people inside the Fort 

2226
01:55:50,400 --> 01:55:52,600
shooting back. 
So yeah. 

2227
01:55:52,600 --> 01:55:56,400
So you can see why this 
culture's ripe with defensive 

2228
01:55:56,400 --> 01:55:58,760
weaponry, which is why they 
would be less likely to go 

2229
01:55:58,760 --> 01:56:00,840
attacking each other 'cause 
they're all very good at defence

2230
01:56:00,840 --> 01:56:03,720
and not as good at offence. 
So the development of these bows

2231
01:56:03,720 --> 01:56:05,520
was huge for them. 
It did completely change their 

2232
01:56:05,520 --> 01:56:07,840
trajectory as a culture 'cause 
it meant the Valyrians were 

2233
01:56:07,840 --> 01:56:10,520
like, all right, well, the 
Valerians are all about profit. 

2234
01:56:10,520 --> 01:56:14,120
This, the whole slavery engine 
is about profit and greed, 

2235
01:56:14,120 --> 01:56:15,200
right? 
It's about wealth. 

2236
01:56:15,760 --> 01:56:21,120
So if by developing golden heart
bows, by getting good at using 

2237
01:56:21,120 --> 01:56:25,720
them, they made enslaving summer
Islanders unprofitable, the 

2238
01:56:25,720 --> 01:56:28,560
Valerians like, you know what, 
going there, we get shot at so 

2239
01:56:28,560 --> 01:56:30,600
much, it just isn't worth it. 
There's plenty of other people 

2240
01:56:30,600 --> 01:56:32,240
to go enslave out there in the 
world. 

2241
01:56:32,840 --> 01:56:37,720
And so they basically said, hey,
we have more value with our 

2242
01:56:37,720 --> 01:56:40,200
woods and our gems and our 
spices than we do with our 

2243
01:56:40,200 --> 01:56:42,080
slaves. 
So come back and trade with us 

2244
01:56:42,080 --> 01:56:45,120
like normal people and let's 
forget about all this slavery 

2245
01:56:45,120 --> 01:56:46,400
business. 
And that's pretty much what 

2246
01:56:46,400 --> 01:56:47,920
happened. 
I think it seems to be that's 

2247
01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:49,880
what happened. 
It didn't just happen overnight,

2248
01:56:50,480 --> 01:56:55,360
but this incursion of warfare 
died away. 

2249
01:56:55,360 --> 01:56:58,720
It didn't seem to flare up again
and trade started to really take

2250
01:56:58,720 --> 01:56:59,840
off. 
So that was pretty good. 

2251
01:56:59,840 --> 01:57:02,160
Like, that was a good outcome 
given this awful beginning. 

2252
01:57:02,920 --> 01:57:05,880
So, and it's an interesting how 
it happened on economic terms. 

2253
01:57:06,400 --> 01:57:09,160
Again, the summer elder just 
made slavery unprofitable, at 

2254
01:57:09,160 --> 01:57:13,080
least in their corner of the 
world, while making other 

2255
01:57:13,080 --> 01:57:14,840
industries very, very 
profitable. 

2256
01:57:14,840 --> 01:57:16,360
Like, don't come here and attack
us. 

2257
01:57:16,560 --> 01:57:18,440
We've got these great luxury 
goods to sell you. 

2258
01:57:18,440 --> 01:57:21,360
If you come here and attack us, 
then all the trade falls apart, 

2259
01:57:21,360 --> 01:57:24,720
you know, everybody loses. 
So the Westerosi elite, sorry, 

2260
01:57:24,720 --> 01:57:27,280
the Valyrian elite are not 
stupid. 

2261
01:57:27,480 --> 01:57:29,400
There are a lot of negative 
things, but they're not stupid. 

2262
01:57:29,400 --> 01:57:31,000
And they could see that. 
That's a very obvious 

2263
01:57:31,000 --> 01:57:32,880
connection. 
It's like, OK, well, we can make

2264
01:57:32,880 --> 01:57:35,040
more money from these people by 
trading with them than by 

2265
01:57:35,040 --> 01:57:37,960
attacking them. 
But part of the development of 

2266
01:57:37,960 --> 01:57:42,160
this, part of what made trade 
between these nations really 

2267
01:57:42,160 --> 01:57:45,320
happen was the next innovation, 
which may have been the most 

2268
01:57:45,320 --> 01:57:47,800
important for their entire 
society, more important than the

2269
01:57:47,800 --> 01:57:51,040
bows, or at least as important 
the swan ships. 

2270
01:57:52,840 --> 01:57:58,040
And this development of the swan
ships was part of the same push 

2271
01:57:58,040 --> 01:58:01,120
by Zanda Co during the slavery 
wars. 

2272
01:58:01,400 --> 01:58:05,560
Quote to give. 
Her Archers a solid platform 

2273
01:58:05,560 --> 01:58:11,120
from which to draw and loose, 
Zonda Co built ships larger than

2274
01:58:11,120 --> 01:58:14,040
any previously seen in the 
summer sea. 

2275
01:58:14,480 --> 01:58:19,120
Tall, graceful ships cunningly 
fit together without so much as 

2276
01:58:19,120 --> 01:58:23,040
a single nail. 
Many walled with rare hardwoods 

2277
01:58:23,040 --> 01:58:28,080
of the Isles, made harder still 
with magics, so the Rams of 

2278
01:58:28,080 --> 01:58:31,680
slaver ships cracked and 
splintered against their sides. 

2279
01:58:32,360 --> 01:58:37,520
As swift as they were strong, 
her ships OFT sported tall, 

2280
01:58:37,760 --> 01:58:42,720
curved prows carved into the 
shapes of birds and beasts. 

2281
01:58:43,160 --> 01:58:49,400
These swan necks won them the 
sobriquette of swan ships. 

2282
01:58:50,560 --> 01:58:52,880
I just love that picture. 
Something very satisfying about 

2283
01:58:52,880 --> 01:58:56,920
the idea of slavers going 
ramming speed and then they ram 

2284
01:58:56,920 --> 01:59:00,000
the side of the ship and their 
ram breaks and their ship is the

2285
01:59:00,000 --> 01:59:02,720
thing that gets this just like 
gets destroyed. 

2286
01:59:02,720 --> 01:59:04,640
And it's like they're just like 
the summer. 

2287
01:59:04,640 --> 01:59:06,640
I was just shaking their heads 
like, Yep, I love when they do 

2288
01:59:06,640 --> 01:59:08,240
that. 
I love those. 

2289
01:59:08,400 --> 01:59:09,600
And they're just shooting down 
on them. 

2290
01:59:09,600 --> 01:59:12,560
It was like the the even when 
they stick and they're like 

2291
01:59:12,760 --> 01:59:14,640
trying to climb over the 
railings, like that railing is 

2292
01:59:14,640 --> 01:59:17,080
like 20 feet above. 
How do I get over there to board

2293
01:59:17,080 --> 01:59:18,320
that ship? 
And they're just like shooting 

2294
01:59:18,320 --> 01:59:20,160
down on you. 
And it's like, this was a bad 

2295
01:59:20,160 --> 01:59:22,840
idea y'all? 
And the. 

2296
01:59:22,840 --> 01:59:26,680
Mention of magic's the only 
mention of magic in all of the 

2297
01:59:26,680 --> 01:59:28,440
summer islands is lore that 
we've looked up. 

2298
01:59:29,040 --> 01:59:30,240
And I wonder if it really is 
magic. 

2299
01:59:30,240 --> 01:59:32,440
This is the maesters, just like 
is the technology they don't 

2300
01:59:32,440 --> 01:59:37,280
understand, like might not be 
any magic involved at all, but 

2301
01:59:37,280 --> 01:59:39,400
there might be. 
And that would even make it even

2302
01:59:39,400 --> 01:59:42,120
more hilarious when the slavers 
try to ram them and it's like he

2303
01:59:42,120 --> 01:59:44,960
he, we've got magic wood. 
That's going to work so poorly, 

2304
01:59:44,960 --> 01:59:48,360
you suckers. 
They're really big too, not just

2305
01:59:48,360 --> 01:59:52,800
tall but just long. 
They're just massive ships, way 

2306
01:59:52,800 --> 01:59:54,360
bigger than anything built in 
Westeros. 

2307
01:59:55,360 --> 01:59:58,960
Maybe maybe not bigger than 
Westeros he warships but I'm not

2308
01:59:58,960 --> 02:00:00,600
clear on that. 
Anyway they're way bigger than 

2309
02:00:00,600 --> 02:00:03,600
any like trade ship, any non war
vessel, and maybe even bigger 

2310
02:00:03,600 --> 02:00:06,480
than the war vessels. 
When Sam is embarrassed after 

2311
02:00:06,480 --> 02:00:08,760
sleeping with Gilly and he's 
like Oh my God, what have I 

2312
02:00:08,760 --> 02:00:10,080
done? 
I broke my vows. 

2313
02:00:11,000 --> 02:00:15,560
He goes off and hides from her 
because the ship is so big that 

2314
02:00:15,560 --> 02:00:18,360
he can avoid her. 
It's a big enough place that he 

2315
02:00:18,360 --> 02:00:19,720
can go over here. 
She won't know where I am. 

2316
02:00:19,920 --> 02:00:22,880
He thinks how if they were still
on the Blackbird, that which is 

2317
02:00:22,880 --> 02:00:24,720
the Night's Watch ship that 
carries them around, he's like, 

2318
02:00:24,720 --> 02:00:26,680
I wouldn't be able to do this 
there, that she would find me in

2319
02:00:26,680 --> 02:00:28,600
a second because it's just so 
much smaller. 

2320
02:00:30,400 --> 02:00:33,280
Yeah, pretty cool. 
So to me, these ships stand out 

2321
02:00:33,280 --> 02:00:35,840
even more than the than the 
purple ships of Bravos, which 

2322
02:00:36,280 --> 02:00:39,600
kind of to me are like the 
second most outstanding in terms

2323
02:00:39,600 --> 02:00:42,240
of how they look and then how 
that would really stand out in 

2324
02:00:42,240 --> 02:00:45,000
the harbor or whatever. 
But they're far more impressive 

2325
02:00:45,000 --> 02:00:46,760
in their sailing range. 
There's really nothing like them

2326
02:00:46,760 --> 02:00:50,000
in the world as far as we know. 
So not only can they explore in 

2327
02:00:50,000 --> 02:00:52,720
places few others could even 
dream of, they're able to take 

2328
02:00:52,720 --> 02:00:55,960
routes other ships can't. 
These are true ocean going 

2329
02:00:55,960 --> 02:00:57,960
vessels. 
Long ships can't do that without

2330
02:00:57,960 --> 02:01:01,080
a lot of risk. 
Only like the Ibanez have a 

2331
02:01:01,120 --> 02:01:03,720
similar level of technology for 
ocean going vessels. 

2332
02:01:03,720 --> 02:01:05,920
Maybe some of the other people, 
but I don't think so. 

2333
02:01:06,240 --> 02:01:07,880
They mirdy bunch all the other 
races. 

2334
02:01:07,880 --> 02:01:09,920
Cultures pretty much have to hug
the coasts, or at least stay 

2335
02:01:09,920 --> 02:01:12,360
inside of the coast. 
But the summer. 

2336
02:01:12,360 --> 02:01:16,920
Islanders can cut across large 
bodies of water or avoid really 

2337
02:01:16,920 --> 02:01:19,120
dangerous areas like the step 
stones. 

2338
02:01:19,240 --> 02:01:21,360
If you're trying to cross into 
the Narrow Sea from the South, 

2339
02:01:21,400 --> 02:01:25,160
you have to pass, you have to go
through the step stones and, 

2340
02:01:25,520 --> 02:01:29,320
well, that's dangerous. 
But if you're a swan ship, not 

2341
02:01:29,320 --> 02:01:32,520
only are you more prepared to 
fight piracy, but you have other

2342
02:01:32,520 --> 02:01:33,880
options in terms of what route 
to take. 

2343
02:01:34,040 --> 02:01:35,720
Can I say it? 
Was really interesting I 

2344
02:01:35,720 --> 02:01:39,280
rewatched the histories and lore
about the Summer Sea from That's

2345
02:01:39,280 --> 02:01:41,600
the Game of Thrones histories 
and lores of the extras they did

2346
02:01:41,600 --> 02:01:44,760
and the one about the Summer Sea
is narrated by Euron Greyjoy. 

2347
02:01:45,240 --> 02:01:49,960
So it's Euron's perspective on 
it and he talks about the Summer

2348
02:01:49,960 --> 02:01:54,960
Islanders and how they're hardly
really worth attacking because 

2349
02:01:54,960 --> 02:01:58,680
they're such fierce warriors. 
It's it's hard to to win against

2350
02:01:58,680 --> 02:02:01,080
them you're more likely to lose 
and then when you get into their

2351
02:02:01,080 --> 02:02:02,720
hold, they're just holding like 
that. 

2352
02:02:02,720 --> 02:02:05,160
They have a bunch of stuff that 
the iron Islanders don't really 

2353
02:02:05,160 --> 02:02:08,240
prize as much like there's 
better targets that have better 

2354
02:02:08,240 --> 02:02:10,480
loot. 
But what he says is the reason 

2355
02:02:10,480 --> 02:02:14,120
that he would target them and 
other other Ironborn would want 

2356
02:02:14,120 --> 02:02:16,000
to target them is for their 
women. 

2357
02:02:16,000 --> 02:02:19,320
It's a really good like if they 
managed to get a woman, they're 

2358
02:02:19,320 --> 02:02:21,600
like trained and love making, 
yadda yadda. 

2359
02:02:21,600 --> 02:02:25,200
He goes into that and he next 
and then after that he goes into

2360
02:02:25,200 --> 02:02:28,600
talking about the Ebenez and how
they're also really good 

2361
02:02:28,880 --> 02:02:29,920
fighters. 
All these things. 

2362
02:02:29,920 --> 02:02:31,480
He's like, these are the two 
people that like you don't 

2363
02:02:31,480 --> 02:02:34,280
really want to mess with. 
Makes sense? 

2364
02:02:34,440 --> 02:02:37,040
Take it from a pirate like which
pirates don't. 

2365
02:02:37,240 --> 02:02:38,600
Don't target those guys. 
They're tough. 

2366
02:02:39,120 --> 02:02:41,920
They're tough customers. 
Yeah, Alyssa Farm and Sun 

2367
02:02:41,920 --> 02:02:44,520
Chaser, the famous ship, the one
of the most famous ships ever 

2368
02:02:44,520 --> 02:02:48,120
built in the world, was designed
based on the design of a swan 

2369
02:02:48,120 --> 02:02:50,040
ship. 
It was like actual even larger 

2370
02:02:50,040 --> 02:02:54,080
than a swan ship. 
Arya sees the swan ships coming 

2371
02:02:54,080 --> 02:02:55,880
in and out of the harbor 
sometimes at Bravos, and she 

2372
02:02:55,880 --> 02:02:57,600
loves seeing them. 
She enjoys watching them. 

2373
02:02:57,600 --> 02:02:59,960
She just thinks they're really 
graceful, which that's what they

2374
02:02:59,960 --> 02:03:01,160
are. 
That's that's the way they're 

2375
02:03:01,160 --> 02:03:02,360
designed. 
And Arya. 

2376
02:03:02,360 --> 02:03:03,960
Knows graceful. 
Arya does. 

2377
02:03:03,960 --> 02:03:06,200
Know graceful they're kind of 
like their own little water 

2378
02:03:06,200 --> 02:03:11,360
dancer, aren't they? 
So this put them in places like 

2379
02:03:11,360 --> 02:03:12,560
Bravos. 
Speaking of Bravos, because the 

2380
02:03:12,560 --> 02:03:16,240
summer Islanders were among the 
many people enslaved on that 

2381
02:03:16,240 --> 02:03:19,320
ship that escaped to form the 
hidden city. 

2382
02:03:19,480 --> 02:03:20,960
Too bad they didn't just head 
for the summer owls. 

2383
02:03:20,960 --> 02:03:23,120
I wonder if the people in there 
were like, yo, let's not make a 

2384
02:03:23,120 --> 02:03:25,120
new city. 
Let's let's go to let's go to 

2385
02:03:25,120 --> 02:03:28,920
the summer Isles Might not have 
worked out though, like Nymeria 

2386
02:03:28,920 --> 02:03:31,640
and Abulu might have been the 
same problem with the the summer

2387
02:03:31,640 --> 02:03:33,280
Islanders Princess might have 
been like, we don't want to 

2388
02:03:33,280 --> 02:03:35,760
upset the Valyrians. 
So we're going to we're going to

2389
02:03:35,920 --> 02:03:40,240
kind of semi compromise here. 
Again, Valyria never actually 

2390
02:03:40,240 --> 02:03:42,240
invaded the Summer Isles. 
They may have thought about it 

2391
02:03:42,240 --> 02:03:45,360
and but the way events 
transpired, it just didn't seem 

2392
02:03:45,360 --> 02:03:47,360
profitable for them. 
But clearly the Summer Islands 

2393
02:03:47,360 --> 02:03:50,760
would have been worried or some 
people there would have been 

2394
02:03:50,760 --> 02:03:52,080
worried that that could happen. 
That could come to pass. 

2395
02:03:52,080 --> 02:03:53,600
Like what if the Valyria comes 
for us? 

2396
02:03:54,120 --> 02:03:57,880
We can't beat Dragons. 
I mean, any culture is going to 

2397
02:03:57,880 --> 02:04:03,640
realize they can't beat Dragons.
But even if they don't invade, 

2398
02:04:04,200 --> 02:04:07,320
you don't want a situation where
it's like Valyria has decided to

2399
02:04:07,320 --> 02:04:09,560
burn all swan ships on site with
their Dragons. 

2400
02:04:10,320 --> 02:04:12,400
You don't want to, you don't 
want that. 

2401
02:04:13,280 --> 02:04:16,120
No one wants that, right? 
They trade would be better for 

2402
02:04:16,120 --> 02:04:18,640
both of them. 
The dragonlords would have the 

2403
02:04:18,640 --> 02:04:21,280
advantage, but they don't want 
to go up against those Archers, 

2404
02:04:21,760 --> 02:04:23,440
right? 
That's that's bad for them. 

2405
02:04:23,440 --> 02:04:25,640
Like you could pick off a 
dragonlord on the back of a 

2406
02:04:25,640 --> 02:04:29,480
dragon with that, with those 
huge range twice as long as 

2407
02:04:29,480 --> 02:04:31,920
regular bows. 
That takes a whole different 

2408
02:04:31,920 --> 02:04:33,160
strategy. 
Again, that's like you're on 

2409
02:04:33,160 --> 02:04:35,080
being like, you'd just rather 
fight somebody else. 

2410
02:04:35,960 --> 02:04:37,680
Let's just take on a different 
target. 

2411
02:04:38,040 --> 02:04:41,720
Remember the Roynar when when 
Volantis and the Roynar went to 

2412
02:04:41,720 --> 02:04:45,320
war and when Valyria got 
involved, there were lots of 

2413
02:04:45,320 --> 02:04:47,680
Dragons and some of those 
Dragons got shot down by Roynish

2414
02:04:47,680 --> 02:04:49,720
Archers. 
If the Roynish Archers can shoot

2415
02:04:49,720 --> 02:04:52,080
down Dragons, I feel like the 
Summer Islanders probably could 

2416
02:04:52,080 --> 02:04:57,000
as well. 
Speaking of challenges managing 

2417
02:04:57,000 --> 02:05:00,480
Valyria, now let's talk about 
Sothorios, because that's a 

2418
02:05:00,480 --> 02:05:03,600
place that they might have 
handled better than anybody 

2419
02:05:03,600 --> 02:05:05,800
else. 
Lots of different cultures tried

2420
02:05:05,800 --> 02:05:07,280
to extract wealth from 
Sothorios. 

2421
02:05:07,680 --> 02:05:11,920
None seem to have like, 
succeeded overwhelmingly well. 

2422
02:05:11,920 --> 02:05:14,920
But there's some evidence that 
the Summer Islanders might have 

2423
02:05:15,200 --> 02:05:21,840
succeeded more than anyone else.
Sothorios is a place we love to 

2424
02:05:21,840 --> 02:05:23,840
think about, a place we'd love 
to know more about. 

2425
02:05:23,840 --> 02:05:26,440
It's just full of mystery and 
wonder and danger. 

2426
02:05:26,960 --> 02:05:29,640
And again, yeah, maybe the 
Summer Islanders do know more 

2427
02:05:29,640 --> 02:05:31,720
about it than anyone else. 
Quote. 

2428
02:05:32,960 --> 02:05:37,680
There are certain indications 
that explorers from Koj may well

2429
02:05:37,680 --> 02:05:41,840
have mapped the western coasts 
of Sothorios to the very bottom 

2430
02:05:41,840 --> 02:05:47,520
of world and discovered strange 
lands and stranger peoples far 

2431
02:05:47,520 --> 02:05:51,560
to the South or across the 
endless waters of the Sunset 

2432
02:05:51,560 --> 02:05:54,680
Sea. 
But the truth of these tales is 

2433
02:05:54,680 --> 02:05:58,760
known only to the Princess of 
the Isles and the captains who 

2434
02:05:58,760 --> 02:06:01,560
serve them. 
It absolutely holds up to 

2435
02:06:01,560 --> 02:06:03,040
scrutiny. 
It's close by. 

2436
02:06:03,320 --> 02:06:05,680
They're expert semen. 
They share a latitude with it, 

2437
02:06:05,680 --> 02:06:08,480
so the climate should be at 
least more manageable to them 

2438
02:06:08,480 --> 02:06:11,200
than it is to Westerosi or 
Gascari or Valyrians. 

2439
02:06:11,880 --> 02:06:13,680
They might even have prior 
experience with some of the 

2440
02:06:13,680 --> 02:06:16,400
diseases maybe they have 
resistance or immunity to if 

2441
02:06:16,400 --> 02:06:18,880
some of them. 
At the very least, melanated 

2442
02:06:18,880 --> 02:06:21,960
skin is protection against the 
sun more so than light skin. 

2443
02:06:22,640 --> 02:06:24,960
Of course the Roy and I were 
dark skinned too and it didn't 

2444
02:06:24,960 --> 02:06:28,120
work out for them, but wasn't 
because of that, it's because of

2445
02:06:28,120 --> 02:06:30,480
the diseases and the untold 
horrors. 

2446
02:06:31,240 --> 02:06:34,520
Another passage in the World of 
Ice and Fire suggests that the 

2447
02:06:34,520 --> 02:06:37,800
Summer Islands have charted the 
whole West Coast, or a lot of 

2448
02:06:37,800 --> 02:06:39,800
the West Coast, but don't share 
that knowledge. 

2449
02:06:39,800 --> 02:06:42,440
Like a lot of the secrets they 
have a lot of their trade 

2450
02:06:42,440 --> 02:06:44,200
secrets, aha. 
Literally trade secrets. 

2451
02:06:44,200 --> 02:06:46,640
Of course they don't. 
Why would they share that? 

2452
02:06:46,920 --> 02:06:49,400
They wouldn't even necessarily 
share with each other trade 

2453
02:06:49,400 --> 02:06:52,960
routes in the real world before 
the whole world was mapped 

2454
02:06:52,960 --> 02:06:54,760
really well. 
But back in the day, before it 

2455
02:06:54,760 --> 02:06:57,120
was, those were highly guarded 
secrets. 

2456
02:06:57,600 --> 02:07:00,240
Highly guarded. 
I mean, again, we come back to 

2457
02:07:00,880 --> 02:07:02,440
Columbus. 
He was trying to find another 

2458
02:07:02,440 --> 02:07:04,400
route to India. 
Here's a name. 

2459
02:07:04,400 --> 02:07:07,920
We'd be remiss not to mention 
the famous Explorer quote. 

2460
02:07:08,800 --> 02:07:13,160
Lomas Longstreider, who visited 
the Summer Isles in his search 

2461
02:07:13,160 --> 02:07:17,840
for wonders, recorded that the 
sages of the Isles claimed that 

2462
02:07:17,840 --> 02:07:23,240
their ancestors once reached the
western shores of Sothorios and 

2463
02:07:23,240 --> 02:07:27,200
founded cities there, only to 
have them overwhelmed and 

2464
02:07:27,200 --> 02:07:32,520
destroyed by the same forces 
that wiped out later Ghiscari 

2465
02:07:32,520 --> 02:07:36,120
and Valyrian settlements on that
perilous continent. 

2466
02:07:36,800 --> 02:07:41,160
The Citadel's archives hold a 
few ancient Chronicles of 

2467
02:07:41,160 --> 02:07:46,000
Valyria, but none speak of these
supposed cities, and there are 

2468
02:07:46,000 --> 02:07:51,080
maesters who cast doubts on the 
truth of these claims, if these.

2469
02:07:51,080 --> 02:07:53,960
Settlements were far South 
enough along that western coast,

2470
02:07:53,960 --> 02:07:58,600
it's not at all hard to see how 
they escaped the knowledge of 

2471
02:07:58,600 --> 02:08:02,200
Valyria and or the Ghiscari who 
mostly cared about the northern 

2472
02:08:02,200 --> 02:08:06,120
coast and the Basil's Guiles. 
We don't hear about the Ghiscari

2473
02:08:06,120 --> 02:08:08,360
or Valyrians going over to the 
West Coast at all. 

2474
02:08:08,440 --> 02:08:11,760
So I don't know why they would 
be so aware of the Summer 

2475
02:08:11,760 --> 02:08:14,880
Islanders, especially if we know
the Summer Islanders would have 

2476
02:08:15,080 --> 02:08:17,320
incentive to keep this on the 
down low. 

2477
02:08:18,000 --> 02:08:20,240
What are they? 
So what are the what is the 

2478
02:08:20,240 --> 02:08:21,920
source of this maestroly doubt? 
Like it? 

2479
02:08:22,040 --> 02:08:24,000
Yeah. 
Just because these these these 

2480
02:08:24,000 --> 02:08:26,200
obscure Valyrian chronicles 
don't mention something they 

2481
02:08:26,200 --> 02:08:29,320
might not even know about. 
Maybe they. 

2482
02:08:29,320 --> 02:08:31,480
Didn't have cities. 
That part I can get behind. 

2483
02:08:31,480 --> 02:08:34,400
Like yeah, they probably didn't 
have cities in Sothorios, but 

2484
02:08:34,400 --> 02:08:37,520
they would have a trading 
outpost, Small towns. 

2485
02:08:38,200 --> 02:08:42,280
I would believe that again. 
Coming back to Alyssa Farman and

2486
02:08:42,280 --> 02:08:46,080
her Sun Chaser, that incredible 
tale included two ships 

2487
02:08:46,320 --> 02:08:48,720
escorting her captain by 
Hightower Brothers. 

2488
02:08:48,720 --> 02:08:51,200
Those two ships didn't make the 
full voyage. 

2489
02:08:51,200 --> 02:08:54,160
One of them was taken down by 
maybe a Kraken. 

2490
02:08:54,400 --> 02:08:59,720
The other just found itself on 
the western coast of Sothorios. 

2491
02:08:59,720 --> 02:09:01,520
After getting lost. 
They thought they were going to 

2492
02:09:01,520 --> 02:09:05,920
try to find the summer islands. 
Ended up in Sothorios and but 

2493
02:09:05,920 --> 02:09:07,800
they did meet some summer 
Islanders. 

2494
02:09:07,840 --> 02:09:10,880
Here's what Sir Eustace 
Hightower, captain of that ship,

2495
02:09:10,880 --> 02:09:12,760
said. 
We all. 

2496
02:09:12,760 --> 02:09:17,600
Would have perished I think, but
some summer Islanders passing by

2497
02:09:17,600 --> 02:09:20,760
came on us. 
They know that hell better than 

2498
02:09:20,760 --> 02:09:22,160
they let on. 
I think. 

2499
02:09:22,560 --> 02:09:27,040
With their help I was able to 
get Lady Meredith to Tall Trees 

2500
02:09:27,040 --> 02:09:31,080
Town and from there to home. 
It was pretty gross. 

2501
02:09:31,080 --> 02:09:33,240
Of them, the Summer Islanders 
just came by and came on them. 

2502
02:09:33,880 --> 02:09:36,200
It's just some Summer Islanders 
passing by. 

2503
02:09:36,200 --> 02:09:38,440
Came on us, yeah. 
They came on us, yeah. 

2504
02:09:40,120 --> 02:09:42,520
Yeah, it's like, well, all this 
disease and everything and these

2505
02:09:42,520 --> 02:09:44,160
guys are doing that to us. 
That's awful. 

2506
02:09:44,160 --> 02:09:46,800
No, it's sorry. 
That was gross, y'all. 

2507
02:09:46,960 --> 02:09:48,720
It's horrible. 
Hey, we're talking about awful 

2508
02:09:48,720 --> 02:09:50,320
diseases. 
I'm just trying to, like, make 

2509
02:09:50,320 --> 02:09:53,840
something slightly less gross 
than dying of brown leg or red, 

2510
02:09:53,960 --> 02:09:56,040
whatever these weird diseases 
whose names I can't recall. 

2511
02:09:56,280 --> 02:10:00,440
Red spots. 
Yeah, so as horrible as this 

2512
02:10:00,440 --> 02:10:04,560
experience was, the starvation 
and the the diseases, I can 

2513
02:10:04,560 --> 02:10:07,880
almost laugh at how much money 
these Summer Islanders probably 

2514
02:10:07,880 --> 02:10:10,440
got paid for this. 
They probably know this route 

2515
02:10:10,440 --> 02:10:12,400
really well. 
Like you want us to take you to 

2516
02:10:12,760 --> 02:10:14,440
the Summer Islands? 
Yeah, we know where that is. 

2517
02:10:14,440 --> 02:10:16,440
That's where we're from. 
We sail back and forth all the 

2518
02:10:16,440 --> 02:10:17,440
time. 
It's just straight wet. 

2519
02:10:17,440 --> 02:10:21,560
I mean, we can find, we take you
on this difficult journey that 

2520
02:10:21,560 --> 02:10:24,880
is very hard to navigate. 
Only we know the way. 

2521
02:10:25,920 --> 02:10:28,200
They got paid a lot. 
You're like, wait, you're 

2522
02:10:28,200 --> 02:10:31,200
willing to pay how much for us 
to just guide you to a place we 

2523
02:10:31,200 --> 02:10:33,760
know really well? 
Sign me up. 

2524
02:10:33,840 --> 02:10:36,520
You know, in Westeros, we've 
heard the expression. 

2525
02:10:36,520 --> 02:10:40,520
Sweet summer child. 
They don't have that phrase on 

2526
02:10:40,520 --> 02:10:41,920
the summer islands. 
I bet they probably have 

2527
02:10:41,920 --> 02:10:46,000
something like bitter winter 
child or bitter winter adults. 

2528
02:10:46,640 --> 02:10:48,200
That's what these Hightowers 
were like. 

2529
02:10:48,200 --> 02:10:51,240
You bitter winter adults. 
Naive little. 

2530
02:10:51,720 --> 02:10:53,600
Yeah. 
Pay us all your Hightower money 

2531
02:10:53,600 --> 02:10:58,160
and we'll take you to port. 
Cyclops is better than 

2532
02:10:58,160 --> 02:11:00,560
Wolverine. 
Sends a super chat and says 

2533
02:11:00,560 --> 02:11:02,480
would love to see the North and 
Islanders interacting. 

2534
02:11:02,480 --> 02:11:04,680
Yeah, that would be so cool. 
Culture clash. 

2535
02:11:04,680 --> 02:11:07,160
It makes you think of that. 
Quote referencing Jane Poole 

2536
02:11:07,160 --> 02:11:09,640
earlier where she was afraid, 
you know, and that was a 

2537
02:11:09,640 --> 02:11:13,800
northern person interacting with
a summer Islander kind of well. 

2538
02:11:13,800 --> 02:11:15,240
Cyclops is better than 
Wolverine. 

2539
02:11:15,240 --> 02:11:18,880
Stay tuned, because we do have 
the Night's Watch interacting 

2540
02:11:18,880 --> 02:11:20,920
with the Summer Islanders on the
Cinnamon Wind very soon in this 

2541
02:11:20,920 --> 02:11:24,280
episode and it's great. 
So we've got close to that 

2542
02:11:24,280 --> 02:11:26,800
anyway, and I have a. 
Response to your username. 

2543
02:11:26,920 --> 02:11:29,560
Jean is better than Cyclops and 
Wolverines. 

2544
02:11:34,480 --> 02:11:38,160
Since the conquest, of course, 
the Summer Islanders would take 

2545
02:11:38,160 --> 02:11:40,760
note of the conquest. 
It may have created more trade 

2546
02:11:40,760 --> 02:11:43,720
opportunities because the 
Kingdom would be at peace more 

2547
02:11:43,720 --> 02:11:48,200
often, and they would have more 
unified trade structures and 

2548
02:11:49,440 --> 02:11:51,600
export fees and all these other 
things. 

2549
02:11:51,600 --> 02:11:55,240
Laws would be more unified, 
might just make things simpler. 

2550
02:11:55,800 --> 02:11:57,800
Their own dating system wouldn't
account for this, of course, 

2551
02:11:57,800 --> 02:12:01,040
'cause you know, they would. 
It's just they're they're 

2552
02:12:01,040 --> 02:12:04,400
they're not using the Conquest 
as a as a timeline indicator for

2553
02:12:04,400 --> 02:12:07,840
themselves, but it would matter.
And here's a reference to 

2554
02:12:07,840 --> 02:12:11,360
something that happened early on
after Aegon's Conquest quote 

2555
02:12:11,800 --> 02:12:14,560
and. 
In the 19th year after the 

2556
02:12:14,560 --> 02:12:19,320
Conquest, word reached Westeros 
of a daring raid in the Summer 

2557
02:12:19,320 --> 02:12:24,520
Isles, where a pirate fleet had 
sacked Tall Trees Town and 

2558
02:12:24,520 --> 02:12:28,920
carried off 1000 women and 
children as slaves, along with a

2559
02:12:28,920 --> 02:12:33,720
fortune in plunder. 
A pirate fleet, not a ship. 

2560
02:12:33,720 --> 02:12:36,800
So that might be what it takes 
these days, because I think a 

2561
02:12:36,800 --> 02:12:39,480
single pirate ship or two would 
not have much success. 

2562
02:12:39,480 --> 02:12:41,720
They're just, they're just way, 
way too well defended, way too 

2563
02:12:41,720 --> 02:12:43,440
prepared. 
But they weren't prepared for 

2564
02:12:43,440 --> 02:12:46,040
this. 
This was a this is not an 

2565
02:12:46,040 --> 02:12:49,760
invasion 'cause they didn't 
stay, but they brought perhaps 

2566
02:12:49,760 --> 02:12:54,320
enough manpower to do something 
along those lines, like to carry

2567
02:12:54,320 --> 02:12:57,280
out 1000 women and children. 
Not just the the sheer logistics

2568
02:12:57,280 --> 02:13:02,720
of that, let let alone the 
horror of it all, But this news 

2569
02:13:02,720 --> 02:13:05,720
is what got Aegon to build walls
around King's Landing. 

2570
02:13:06,240 --> 02:13:09,520
I don't know if Tall Trees Town 
took the hint and built walls, 

2571
02:13:09,520 --> 02:13:12,680
but maybe. 
We certainly have great wood for

2572
02:13:12,680 --> 02:13:14,160
it. 
So, you know, that might be a 

2573
02:13:14,160 --> 02:13:17,000
good idea. 
There's a mention of Alison, as 

2574
02:13:17,000 --> 02:13:20,480
in good Queen Alice Anne, going 
to the Citadel and getting lost 

2575
02:13:20,480 --> 02:13:23,000
in the library. 
Not like literally like where am

2576
02:13:23,000 --> 02:13:26,000
I? 
But getting lost amongst the 

2577
02:13:26,000 --> 02:13:28,080
books because the books were so 
interesting to her. 

2578
02:13:28,080 --> 02:13:32,000
And it's mentioned like she 
emerged only to attend lectures 

2579
02:13:32,000 --> 02:13:35,640
on the Valyrian Dragon Wars, 
Leechcraft, and the Gods of the 

2580
02:13:35,640 --> 02:13:38,080
Summer Isles. 
What was she is? 

2581
02:13:38,080 --> 02:13:39,920
What's her interest in the gods 
of the Summer Isles? 

2582
02:13:39,920 --> 02:13:41,840
It's like, it's like the gods of
the Summer Isles are all about 

2583
02:13:41,840 --> 02:13:43,920
love and sex. 
Is that what she was trying to 

2584
02:13:43,920 --> 02:13:45,800
like? 
I'm going to see what I can. 

2585
02:13:46,200 --> 02:13:47,440
Learned some things for the 
bedroom. 

2586
02:13:47,440 --> 02:13:50,200
And we have only got 9 children.
I want to have 13. 

2587
02:13:50,560 --> 02:13:51,720
That's what she ended up with, 
right? 

2588
02:13:51,800 --> 02:13:54,800
So, but Can you imagine if she 
really got lost in the library? 

2589
02:13:54,800 --> 02:13:57,560
They're like, oh, sorry, Jairus,
we lost her in there. 

2590
02:13:57,560 --> 02:14:00,720
She's she's just in the suite. 
We can't find her. 

2591
02:14:00,720 --> 02:14:03,360
She's somewhere in the library. 
At least she's happy, right? 

2592
02:14:04,720 --> 02:14:08,080
The Sea Snake took his ship, 
Summer Maid named appropriately 

2593
02:14:08,080 --> 02:14:11,520
enough to the Summer Isles. 
We don't know what he did there,

2594
02:14:11,520 --> 02:14:13,720
but I'm sure, yeah, he probably 
had a good time and probably 

2595
02:14:13,720 --> 02:14:16,720
made some money, you know, had 
some nice drinks, drank some of 

2596
02:14:16,720 --> 02:14:19,360
their rum maybe, and swapped 
some trade goods. 

2597
02:14:19,360 --> 02:14:21,240
You know, it probably worked out
great for him. 

2598
02:14:21,920 --> 02:14:26,080
We also have this quote from the
wedding of Aegon and Jahara at 

2599
02:14:26,080 --> 02:14:28,000
the end of the Dance of the 
Dragons right here. 

2600
02:14:29,000 --> 02:14:33,080
Even from across the Narrow Sea 
they came from Braavos and 

2601
02:14:33,080 --> 02:14:36,120
Pentos. 
All three of the daughters, Old 

2602
02:14:36,120 --> 02:14:42,080
Volantis from the Summer Isles 
appeared. 3 tall black Princess 

2603
02:14:42,080 --> 02:14:46,440
in feathered cloaks, whose 
splendor was a wonder to behold.

2604
02:14:47,520 --> 02:14:49,680
At the time of the Dance of the 
Dragons, this would be a big 

2605
02:14:49,680 --> 02:14:51,960
deal. 
I mean, well, what did we just 

2606
02:14:51,960 --> 02:14:54,240
say before about war messing up 
trade? 

2607
02:14:54,480 --> 02:14:57,480
So the end of the Dance would be
huge because it means trades 

2608
02:14:57,480 --> 02:14:59,400
opening back up again. 
Some of our Islanders want to be

2609
02:14:59,400 --> 02:15:01,640
there for that. 
They want to be negotiating 

2610
02:15:01,640 --> 02:15:03,280
because new trade deals would be
happening. 

2611
02:15:03,280 --> 02:15:05,240
Things would have to be started 
over. 

2612
02:15:05,440 --> 02:15:09,160
That means new deals, 
rearrangements, things that were

2613
02:15:09,160 --> 02:15:11,520
dropped and destroyed and have 
to be fixed and picked up. 

2614
02:15:11,520 --> 02:15:14,440
And that might mean a change in 
the pecking order. 

2615
02:15:14,440 --> 02:15:16,600
That might mean a change in who 
gets the deals. 

2616
02:15:16,720 --> 02:15:18,880
So these summer Islanders 
representative, these Princess 

2617
02:15:18,880 --> 02:15:20,600
are almost certainly thinking 
along those lines. 

2618
02:15:20,600 --> 02:15:24,280
They're like, let's show up, be 
at the wedding and then get to 

2619
02:15:24,280 --> 02:15:25,600
business. 
Right? 

2620
02:15:25,600 --> 02:15:27,440
Start this all over. 
Let's start re importing 

2621
02:15:27,440 --> 02:15:29,080
Goldenhart. 
You want palm wine, You want 

2622
02:15:29,080 --> 02:15:30,360
that fruit? 
You want monkeys? 

2623
02:15:30,360 --> 02:15:32,880
You want some feathered cloaks? 
War's over. 

2624
02:15:32,880 --> 02:15:34,680
Time to get back to your luxury 
goods. 

2625
02:15:35,840 --> 02:15:37,720
So they're in the elite wealthy 
club. 

2626
02:15:37,720 --> 02:15:39,360
They're invited to events like 
this. 

2627
02:15:39,360 --> 02:15:42,360
They belong there because they 
have similar status in their 

2628
02:15:42,360 --> 02:15:45,400
homeland and they have things 
that Westerosi want and vice 

2629
02:15:45,400 --> 02:15:48,000
versa. 
And the whims of kings and 

2630
02:15:48,000 --> 02:15:53,000
Queens can have a huge impact on
them because they get their 

2631
02:15:53,000 --> 02:15:55,160
wealth through these trade 
arrangements. 

2632
02:15:56,040 --> 02:15:58,920
Another great example is Aegon 
the 4th Mistress, the Black 

2633
02:15:58,920 --> 02:16:00,120
Pearl. 
Belgiere. 

2634
02:16:00,120 --> 02:16:01,960
Afaris. 
Belgiere. 

2635
02:16:01,960 --> 02:16:05,560
I don't know how to say that 
Belgiere like Richard Gere, Bel 

2636
02:16:05,560 --> 02:16:09,560
Gere who was probably far more 
interesting than him outside of 

2637
02:16:09,560 --> 02:16:12,600
his children, cause the great 
bastards are very interesting. 

2638
02:16:13,160 --> 02:16:16,280
Now she was half summer Islander
through her mother who was a 

2639
02:16:16,280 --> 02:16:18,280
Princess. 
So this was no ordinary 

2640
02:16:18,280 --> 02:16:20,440
somewhere around. 
This isn't like we were talking 

2641
02:16:20,440 --> 02:16:22,960
before about how when we see the
cinnamon wind, it's a bunch of, 

2642
02:16:22,960 --> 02:16:26,840
you know, mostly regular folk. 
Bel Gere Otharis was a Princess 

2643
02:16:26,840 --> 02:16:31,880
on one side and a son of the Sea
Lord of Braavos on the other. 

2644
02:16:31,880 --> 02:16:36,120
So she's very, you know, high 
born and this is a very more 

2645
02:16:36,120 --> 02:16:40,680
cultural overlap here that a 
summer Islander could excel in. 

2646
02:16:40,680 --> 02:16:43,920
The courtesan culture of Bravos 
comes in there very well 

2647
02:16:43,920 --> 02:16:47,040
equipped, very well experienced 
and with probably with some 

2648
02:16:47,120 --> 02:16:49,360
skills and knowledge that people
elsewhere might not have. 

2649
02:16:50,000 --> 02:16:53,879
She was also, though, a pirate, 
smuggler, trader and captain of 

2650
02:16:53,879 --> 02:16:57,559
a ship called the Widow Wind. 
She had many lovers apart from 

2651
02:16:57,559 --> 02:17:00,600
Aegon. 
So, you know, very free spirited

2652
02:17:00,600 --> 02:17:02,760
person. 
Saw him off and on for 10 years,

2653
02:17:02,760 --> 02:17:04,559
mostly during the reign of 
Baylor the Blessed. 

2654
02:17:04,559 --> 02:17:08,680
And then of course, he became 
king not long after Baylor's 

2655
02:17:08,680 --> 02:17:10,360
death. 
So she wouldn't have been around

2656
02:17:10,360 --> 02:17:11,559
as much. 
And I don't know if she wanted 

2657
02:17:11,559 --> 02:17:14,320
to visit him there. 
She might have been afraid of 

2658
02:17:14,320 --> 02:17:16,040
him making her stay or something
like that. 

2659
02:17:16,799 --> 02:17:19,600
I'd be worried about that. 
But the Black Pearl tradition 

2660
02:17:19,600 --> 02:17:21,879
continues. 
Now there's another Black Pearl 

2661
02:17:22,480 --> 02:17:27,600
in in Arya's time that Arya sees
and and encounters, so that's 

2662
02:17:27,600 --> 02:17:29,760
pretty cool. 
I don't think the current one is

2663
02:17:29,760 --> 02:17:31,959
descendant of the Summer 
Islands, but I forget, I didn't 

2664
02:17:31,959 --> 02:17:34,440
look that up. 
In one case, a Summer Islander 

2665
02:17:34,440 --> 02:17:38,280
did get embroiled and did help 
bring war to the Seven Kingdoms.

2666
02:17:38,760 --> 02:17:45,280
Zobar Kukua AKA the Ebon Prince.
He was one of the Band of Nine 

2667
02:17:45,280 --> 02:17:48,680
alongside Meilis the Monstrous. 
There's a scene where Jamie, 

2668
02:17:48,719 --> 02:17:51,920
who's very young in his memories
when he's thinking about this, 

2669
02:17:51,920 --> 02:17:57,040
was completely disinterested in 
Lysa Tully because, you know, 

2670
02:17:57,040 --> 02:17:59,719
they were trying to get them to 
to talk and he was ignoring her 

2671
02:17:59,719 --> 02:18:02,520
'cause he was more interested in
Brendan Blackfish and asking 

2672
02:18:02,520 --> 02:18:05,480
Brendan questions about Neilis 
the monstrous and the Ebon 

2673
02:18:05,480 --> 02:18:07,400
Prince. 
He wanted to know all about 

2674
02:18:07,400 --> 02:18:10,360
those guys who Brendan had 
fought against. 

2675
02:18:10,360 --> 02:18:12,840
Cause Brendan was in the War of 
Ninepenny Kings. 

2676
02:18:12,840 --> 02:18:15,840
It was Brendan's first war. 
That brings us to the 

2677
02:18:15,840 --> 02:18:17,160
characters. 
Let's talk about some specific 

2678
02:18:17,160 --> 02:18:18,360
characters. 
This is basically our final 

2679
02:18:18,360 --> 02:18:21,120
section of what's proving to be 
a pretty lengthy episode. 

2680
02:18:21,120 --> 02:18:23,520
But hey, there's a lot to say 
about the Summer Isles and we 

2681
02:18:23,520 --> 02:18:29,080
don't want to leave things out. 
So with these characters, this 

2682
02:18:29,080 --> 02:18:31,799
is kind of why I saved it for 
laughed, even though they're 

2683
02:18:32,000 --> 02:18:35,719
probably the most interesting 
thing is that we get to see all 

2684
02:18:35,719 --> 02:18:37,440
these things. 
We've discussed the culture and 

2685
02:18:37,440 --> 02:18:40,160
the customs and their traditions
and the behavior and the 

2686
02:18:40,160 --> 02:18:42,280
upbringing. 
All these things play out in 

2687
02:18:42,280 --> 02:18:45,240
scenes within the story. 
Of course, as we said, Jala 

2688
02:18:45,240 --> 02:18:47,840
Bargeau is the first one we see 
who's got a name. 

2689
02:18:47,879 --> 02:18:50,120
The first one we see like 
interacting with people and 

2690
02:18:50,120 --> 02:18:52,719
doing things. 
He doesn't actually speak common

2691
02:18:52,840 --> 02:18:56,639
when we first meet him, but 
later in the story he seems to 

2692
02:18:56,639 --> 02:18:58,320
have learned some, which, well, 
that makes sense. 

2693
02:18:58,320 --> 02:19:01,600
Cause like a couple years go by 
Tyrion for example, sees him 

2694
02:19:01,600 --> 02:19:05,200
talking to Sansa at the purple 
wedding about some around her 

2695
02:19:05,200 --> 02:19:07,400
wedding customs. 
She's like, and Tyrion thinks 

2696
02:19:07,400 --> 02:19:10,639
how good Sansa is at at being 
social. 

2697
02:19:10,639 --> 02:19:12,760
He's like, she's really good at 
this, you know? 

2698
02:19:13,840 --> 02:19:16,480
And there's also Summer Islander
dancers at the Purple Wedding. 

2699
02:19:16,760 --> 02:19:19,799
They had quite a story to tell. 
And they was like, yo, we went 

2700
02:19:19,799 --> 02:19:22,160
dancing at this wedding and the 
king was murdered. 

2701
02:19:22,719 --> 02:19:23,760
What? 
Yeah. 

2702
02:19:23,760 --> 02:19:25,840
He just dropped dead. 
And suddenly he dumped wine on 

2703
02:19:25,840 --> 02:19:29,320
this short guy's head. 
And then it went off like, it 

2704
02:19:29,320 --> 02:19:30,440
was crazy. 
Right. 

2705
02:19:31,200 --> 02:19:34,040
And Jalabarjeo still giving 
expensive things away. 

2706
02:19:34,040 --> 02:19:37,719
Remember, he gave that Lance 
apparently to Jamie and maybe 

2707
02:19:37,719 --> 02:19:39,360
other stuff. 
Maybe that's not where Jamie got

2708
02:19:39,360 --> 02:19:40,840
it, but that's that's my best 
guess. 

2709
02:19:41,480 --> 02:19:43,559
He gifts a golden heart bow to 
Joffrey. 

2710
02:19:43,840 --> 02:19:47,160
That's a nice gift, right? 
As we've seen, that's a doubt. 

2711
02:19:47,160 --> 02:19:49,840
Joffrey appreciated it fully, 
but that's a nice gift. 

2712
02:19:50,760 --> 02:19:52,920
Jalibar of course, pops up a lot
of times. 

2713
02:19:52,920 --> 02:19:55,360
He petitioned apparently 
petitioned Robert like every 

2714
02:19:55,360 --> 02:19:58,320
year for several years for Red 
Flower Vale. 

2715
02:19:58,680 --> 02:20:01,400
Robert loves the idea, but 
Robert loves a lot of ideas. 

2716
02:20:01,440 --> 02:20:05,360
I mean, hot weather women who 
are experienced at sex. 

2717
02:20:05,360 --> 02:20:08,480
Of course Robert loves that. 
But it never happened. 

2718
02:20:08,680 --> 02:20:11,600
So once Roberts gone. 
Jalibar just starts petitioning 

2719
02:20:11,600 --> 02:20:15,080
Cersei for it instead, and 
Cersei thinks, yeah, no, he, 

2720
02:20:15,080 --> 02:20:19,400
she, she thinks very well, 
ruthlessly and evilly about it. 

2721
02:20:19,400 --> 02:20:23,360
She's like, yeah, I'm going to 
say no, but next time he asks 

2722
02:20:23,880 --> 02:20:26,240
or, or I'm going to say next 
year, but next time he asks, I'm

2723
02:20:26,240 --> 02:20:28,840
going to say no. 
But actually what happens is she

2724
02:20:28,840 --> 02:20:31,360
arrests him because he hangs out
with Marjorie a lot, because of 

2725
02:20:31,360 --> 02:20:32,600
course he's hanging out with 
Marjorie a lot. 

2726
02:20:32,600 --> 02:20:36,160
There's another rich family that
might be able to give him what 

2727
02:20:36,160 --> 02:20:37,400
he wants. 
And Marjorie's about to be 

2728
02:20:37,400 --> 02:20:40,560
queen. 
Well, some people think that 

2729
02:20:41,280 --> 02:20:43,240
Marjorie is apparently about to 
be queen. 

2730
02:20:43,240 --> 02:20:46,600
I'm not sure she'll get there, 
but you can see why this man is 

2731
02:20:47,240 --> 02:20:49,200
cozying up to her 'cause he's 
like, well, this is the 

2732
02:20:49,200 --> 02:20:51,160
potential queen that can get me.
Red Flower Vale. 

2733
02:20:51,800 --> 02:20:54,680
He did perform well at the hands
tourney in the archery event. 

2734
02:20:54,680 --> 02:20:57,120
He came in, I think tied for 
second or third. 

2735
02:20:57,120 --> 02:20:59,960
It couldn't beat an guy, the 
Archer, but he did as well as 

2736
02:20:59,960 --> 02:21:01,880
anybody else other than Baylon 
Swan. 

2737
02:21:02,280 --> 02:21:04,760
Makes sense. 
Good at archery, right, Fitz? 

2738
02:21:05,400 --> 02:21:08,400
He rode in the procession that 
became the riot. 

2739
02:21:08,400 --> 02:21:11,360
So he was there in that scene, 
and he escaped with his life 

2740
02:21:11,360 --> 02:21:14,640
along with other people. 
And he accompanies Tyrion. 

2741
02:21:14,640 --> 02:21:17,200
When Tyrion goes to meet the 
Dornish wedding party that's 

2742
02:21:17,200 --> 02:21:20,240
arriving on the road that he 
expects to be Prince Doran, it 

2743
02:21:20,240 --> 02:21:21,640
turns out to be Oberon. 
Yeah. 

2744
02:21:21,640 --> 02:21:24,560
He brings Jalibar with him to 
make the party look a little 

2745
02:21:24,720 --> 02:21:27,280
fuller. 
So yeah, unfortunately for 

2746
02:21:27,280 --> 02:21:31,880
Jalibar, he was arrested by 
Cersei during the plot against 

2747
02:21:31,880 --> 02:21:36,160
Marjorie and is currently in 
Kyburn's care. 

2748
02:21:36,640 --> 02:21:41,480
So bad luck Jalibar. 
But he kind of seems like he 

2749
02:21:41,480 --> 02:21:43,680
might be a kind of a jerk 
anyway, so maybe I don't feel 

2750
02:21:43,680 --> 02:21:47,280
too bad for him. 
Nobody deserves Kyburn, but some

2751
02:21:47,280 --> 02:21:49,120
people deserve it less than 
others. 

2752
02:21:50,120 --> 02:21:51,440
Let's talk about the Cinnamon 
Wind. 

2753
02:21:51,520 --> 02:21:54,600
Maybe my favorite Summer 
Islander scene of the whole 

2754
02:21:54,600 --> 02:21:58,120
books, because again, it we 
actually get to see the Summer 

2755
02:21:58,120 --> 02:22:01,560
Islanders doing Summer Islander 
things as regular people as the 

2756
02:22:01,560 --> 02:22:05,120
majority in the scene. 
It's a ship so excellent George 

2757
02:22:05,120 --> 02:22:07,920
had to had it appear twice. 
The Cinnamon win first appears 

2758
02:22:07,920 --> 02:22:10,640
in A Clash of Kings and then it 
appears in A Feast for Crows. 

2759
02:22:11,480 --> 02:22:14,200
The 1st is really big, even 
though it's a relatively small 

2760
02:22:14,200 --> 02:22:19,240
role, but it's a huge change for
Danny because what it does for 

2761
02:22:19,240 --> 02:22:20,600
her. 
The second is more important for

2762
02:22:20,600 --> 02:22:22,840
this episode because it gives us
a better look at their culture. 

2763
02:22:23,560 --> 02:22:27,400
What's neat about this is that 
sailing is a very common 

2764
02:22:27,400 --> 02:22:29,800
profession. 
So it just makes sense that the 

2765
02:22:29,800 --> 02:22:32,840
summer hours would be the one to
connect these dots, which is 

2766
02:22:32,840 --> 02:22:37,800
that Danny finds out about 
Robert's death in Karf because 

2767
02:22:37,800 --> 02:22:40,520
of a summer Islander who heard 
about the Dragons and wanted to 

2768
02:22:40,520 --> 02:22:42,160
see them. 
He goes to see the Dragons and 

2769
02:22:42,160 --> 02:22:45,200
he's like, Hey, I I'll give you 
some news while I'm at it. 

2770
02:22:45,200 --> 02:22:47,240
You know, I can give you this. 
As you know, I want to give you 

2771
02:22:47,320 --> 02:22:49,480
you let me see the Dragons and I
want to do something for you and

2772
02:22:49,480 --> 02:22:51,040
let me give you this important, 
valuable news. 

2773
02:22:51,040 --> 02:22:53,000
And they're like, what? 
Robert's dead? 

2774
02:22:53,280 --> 02:22:55,480
That is big news. 
Thank you. 

2775
02:22:56,320 --> 02:22:59,960
This sailing scene with Sam and 
Gilly though, this is might be 

2776
02:22:59,960 --> 02:23:03,520
why the maesters and the rest of
the world look at the summer 

2777
02:23:03,520 --> 02:23:06,920
Islanders as strong, which maybe
isn't a cultural thing. 

2778
02:23:06,920 --> 02:23:09,720
It might just be because of an 
outsized portion of people 

2779
02:23:09,720 --> 02:23:14,120
encountered are sailors like and
sailing is a lot of work and it 

2780
02:23:14,120 --> 02:23:17,360
will make you strong as we see 
through Sam's point of view. 

2781
02:23:17,360 --> 02:23:21,960
Sam works his ass off almost 
literally to pay to partly pay 

2782
02:23:21,960 --> 02:23:24,440
for their passage to get to Old 
Town from all the way from 

2783
02:23:24,440 --> 02:23:26,720
Bravos. 
And it is hard, hard work. 

2784
02:23:27,400 --> 02:23:29,320
And yeah, that'll make you 
strong. 

2785
02:23:29,320 --> 02:23:31,000
So if that's your job, then 
you're going to be strong. 

2786
02:23:31,000 --> 02:23:32,680
And if most of the Summer 
Islanders that people meet 

2787
02:23:32,680 --> 02:23:34,600
around the world are sailors, 
well then most of them are going

2788
02:23:34,600 --> 02:23:36,600
to be strong. 
There's a little observation 

2789
02:23:36,600 --> 02:23:39,080
there. 
So there's like plenty of Lyseny

2790
02:23:39,080 --> 02:23:41,880
in the books. 
But do we get a majority Lyseny 

2791
02:23:41,880 --> 02:23:43,920
scene where Lyseny are doing 
Lyseny thing? 

2792
02:23:43,920 --> 02:23:47,800
No, the Dothraki, we get a 
little of that. 

2793
02:23:47,800 --> 02:23:50,880
But even that it's kind of 
limited. 

2794
02:23:50,880 --> 02:23:54,120
We get it through Danny's eyes 
and it things through Danny's 

2795
02:23:54,120 --> 02:23:56,080
eyes are just different because 
they all treat her so 

2796
02:23:56,080 --> 02:23:57,520
differently. 
They're all in awe of her. 

2797
02:23:57,520 --> 02:24:00,480
She except for before, you know,
in the first book when she's 

2798
02:24:00,480 --> 02:24:03,080
just called Drogo's Khaleesi, 
and they treat her differently 

2799
02:24:03,080 --> 02:24:06,200
because of that. 
So like, she's never everything 

2800
02:24:06,200 --> 02:24:09,000
through Danny's eyes about the 
Dothraki's a little bit filtered

2801
02:24:09,000 --> 02:24:12,720
because they all see her as like
this supernatural figure, the 

2802
02:24:12,720 --> 02:24:15,640
Mother of Dragons, The the woman
that brought them. 

2803
02:24:15,640 --> 02:24:17,880
Yeah. 
It's just different than Sam, 

2804
02:24:17,880 --> 02:24:20,680
who's a little more of a regular
guy, even though, yeah, he's a 

2805
02:24:20,680 --> 02:24:24,240
noble, but his personality, his 
bearing, he, he doesn't come off

2806
02:24:24,240 --> 02:24:26,840
as like in charge or 
authoritative or a guy who 

2807
02:24:26,840 --> 02:24:28,480
brought Dragons back to the 
world. 

2808
02:24:28,480 --> 02:24:32,120
Right. 
So, yeah, Arya does see quite a 

2809
02:24:32,120 --> 02:24:34,760
bit of like, people doing 
regular people stuff. 

2810
02:24:34,760 --> 02:24:36,800
And Bravos, it's another reason 
we love Bravos so much. 

2811
02:24:36,800 --> 02:24:38,880
But these are. 
But Bravos is such a melting 

2812
02:24:38,880 --> 02:24:40,720
pot. 
You know, it's already like so 

2813
02:24:41,080 --> 02:24:44,160
culturally diverse that it's, 
yeah, you can see Bravosi doing 

2814
02:24:44,160 --> 02:24:49,800
Bravosi things, but Bravos is, 
is a product of the rest of the 

2815
02:24:49,800 --> 02:24:52,760
world and more so than other 
places where the summer, Summer 

2816
02:24:52,760 --> 02:24:55,840
Islands is so unique and so 
exceptional because of the 

2817
02:24:55,880 --> 02:24:57,920
unique origins and, and isolated
origins. 

2818
02:24:58,560 --> 02:25:01,640
Valantis and Salhoris, these are
places we see through Tyrion 

2819
02:25:01,640 --> 02:25:04,000
with Jora. 
Like they see the Red Temple, 

2820
02:25:04,400 --> 02:25:08,520
that speech that Benero gives 
and we hear them talk about 

2821
02:25:08,520 --> 02:25:10,880
festivals and holidays, but we 
don't really see it first hand. 

2822
02:25:10,880 --> 02:25:13,520
You know, these aren't, this 
isn't like a volunteering 

2823
02:25:13,520 --> 02:25:15,680
cultural experience. 
This is the Red Temple. 

2824
02:25:15,680 --> 02:25:20,160
This is a relorist cultural 
experience that could happen in 

2825
02:25:20,160 --> 02:25:21,960
any of the cities that relores 
present. 

2826
02:25:22,680 --> 02:25:24,120
Now, we've never been to the 
Summer islands. 

2827
02:25:24,120 --> 02:25:26,800
I kind of doubt we will in A 
Song of Ice and Fire, but it's 

2828
02:25:26,800 --> 02:25:29,880
not that out of the question for
it to be an ending point for 

2829
02:25:29,880 --> 02:25:31,680
somebody to move there to go, 
hey, you know what? 

2830
02:25:31,680 --> 02:25:33,480
I'm I'm out of here. 
Westeros sucks. 

2831
02:25:33,680 --> 02:25:35,480
Let me finish my days in the 
summer Islands. 

2832
02:25:35,480 --> 02:25:39,360
It could be like a a montage 
style thing for some characters 

2833
02:25:39,360 --> 02:25:43,000
decide to go go to live there. 
But let's talk about what 

2834
02:25:43,000 --> 02:25:44,880
happens on the Cinnamon Wind, 
because it's still our best 

2835
02:25:44,880 --> 02:25:47,760
example. 
And they do something that we 

2836
02:25:47,760 --> 02:25:50,840
see a lot of funerals. 
There's a lot of funerals in A 

2837
02:25:50,840 --> 02:25:55,640
Song of Ice and Fire, but this 
is one of the few that isn't 

2838
02:25:55,640 --> 02:25:58,120
Westerosi. 
We technically have a few others

2839
02:25:58,120 --> 02:26:00,120
that are sort of funeral, but 
even the other ones like Danny 

2840
02:26:00,680 --> 02:26:03,720
doing the pyre for Drogo, that's
not really a Dothraki funeral, 

2841
02:26:04,120 --> 02:26:06,800
you know. 
So it's it's pretty unique. 

2842
02:26:07,240 --> 02:26:10,400
Let's talk about Kahura MO. 
He wears a green and yellow 

2843
02:26:10,400 --> 02:26:12,680
feathered Cape. 
I love keeping track of the 

2844
02:26:12,680 --> 02:26:13,960
feathered capes. 
There's so many different 

2845
02:26:13,960 --> 02:26:15,640
options here. 
You got all the different colors

2846
02:26:15,640 --> 02:26:17,720
are possible. 
So I said it wrong. 

2847
02:26:17,760 --> 02:26:19,680
Kahuru MO is the one who wanted 
to see the Dragons. 

2848
02:26:19,680 --> 02:26:22,160
It wasn't Zondo. 
I got them mixed up there. 

2849
02:26:22,920 --> 02:26:25,680
He wanted to see the Dragons. 
He told Danny about Robert. 

2850
02:26:25,760 --> 02:26:30,760
Anyway, Zondo is is Koja's lover
and is the crew member that 

2851
02:26:31,360 --> 02:26:36,680
gives Sam all his day-to-day 
tasks and Zondo saves Sam. 

2852
02:26:36,680 --> 02:26:41,520
Zondo is the one who's at the 
brothel where Sam loses his 

2853
02:26:41,520 --> 02:26:44,560
temple with Daring and punches 
him in the face, ends up in the 

2854
02:26:44,760 --> 02:26:48,160
in the in the canal. 
Gendo jumps in after him, 

2855
02:26:48,160 --> 02:26:51,520
rescues him, tells him, hey, 
man, it was funny when you 

2856
02:26:51,520 --> 02:26:54,360
punched that guy, but you owe me
a new cloak. 

2857
02:26:54,840 --> 02:26:58,160
My cloak is ruined and I, you 
know, from saving your life. 

2858
02:26:58,520 --> 02:27:02,000
And he's like, OK. 
And this is a good, a good, good

2859
02:27:02,000 --> 02:27:05,880
way for like a subtle literary 
clue that this is a good guy 

2860
02:27:06,200 --> 02:27:08,800
'cause he's like, I like when 
you punched that bad guy, you 

2861
02:27:09,320 --> 02:27:10,600
know, And he's like, I'm on your
side. 

2862
02:27:10,600 --> 02:27:12,680
And Sam is one of the ultimate 
good guys of the series, like 

2863
02:27:12,680 --> 02:27:14,800
the most like wholesome good 
people. 

2864
02:27:14,800 --> 02:27:18,440
And Zondo immediately likes him.
And he's not like, after 

2865
02:27:18,440 --> 02:27:20,080
anything. 
He's just like, you know, you 

2866
02:27:20,080 --> 02:27:22,160
owe me for the cloak. 
But like, I'm not other than 

2867
02:27:22,160 --> 02:27:24,120
that, I I don't have any designs
on you. 

2868
02:27:24,960 --> 02:27:27,200
And this is. 
Huge because Zondo heard about 

2869
02:27:27,200 --> 02:27:29,480
the Dragons through Koro who is 
the captain. 

2870
02:27:29,480 --> 02:27:32,160
Zondo is like a first mate or 
something like that. 

2871
02:27:32,760 --> 02:27:35,360
And he when he sees Sam, he's 
like in I heard you. 

2872
02:27:35,520 --> 02:27:37,600
Not only did I like it when you 
punched that guy, I heard you 

2873
02:27:37,600 --> 02:27:41,280
talking about the Dragons. 
I've seen the Dragons and 

2874
02:27:41,280 --> 02:27:43,920
they're like what? 
He's like, yeah, I was in Karf. 

2875
02:27:44,240 --> 02:27:47,880
I, I met Daenerys, you know, 
I've and and that is huge. 

2876
02:27:47,880 --> 02:27:51,400
This is again, connective tissue
between Targaryens. 

2877
02:27:51,400 --> 02:27:56,040
Eamon hears this and he's like 
Princess that was promised. 

2878
02:27:57,440 --> 02:27:59,400
It's not the Prince, it's the 
Princess. 

2879
02:27:59,400 --> 02:28:03,200
He's so energized by this. 
He's like it, it all makes sense

2880
02:28:03,200 --> 02:28:05,640
now, all this thing, I've been 
thinking about this for decades 

2881
02:28:05,640 --> 02:28:08,560
and it all make all because this
summer Islander comes along and 

2882
02:28:08,560 --> 02:28:11,280
gives him this missing clue 
that's so vital. 

2883
02:28:12,040 --> 02:28:14,120
But of course, Maestra Eamon's 
energy level can't be 

2884
02:28:14,120 --> 02:28:15,560
maintained. 
He's too old. 

2885
02:28:15,840 --> 02:28:22,120
He gets sick again and he dies 
on the way from Bravos to Old 

2886
02:28:22,120 --> 02:28:26,080
Town, right? 
Sam gives a speech about Eamon, 

2887
02:28:26,080 --> 02:28:29,840
he gives his funeral speech. 
And Zondo is the first one to 

2888
02:28:29,840 --> 02:28:31,120
respond. 
Quote. 

2889
02:28:32,120 --> 02:28:37,400
The air was moist and warm and 
dead calm, and the cinnamon wind

2890
02:28:37,400 --> 02:28:42,560
was adrift upon a deep blue sea 
far beyond the sight of land. 

2891
02:28:42,880 --> 02:28:45,720
Black Sam said good words, Zondo
said. 

2892
02:28:46,120 --> 02:28:50,000
Now we drink his life. 
He shouted something in the 

2893
02:28:50,000 --> 02:28:54,800
summer tongue and a cask of 
spiced rum was rolled up onto 

2894
02:28:54,800 --> 02:28:59,440
the after deck and breached so 
those on watch might down a cup 

2895
02:28:59,440 --> 02:29:02,440
in the memory of the old blind 
dragon. 

2896
02:29:03,040 --> 02:29:07,040
The crew had known him only a 
short while, but summer 

2897
02:29:07,040 --> 02:29:11,120
Islanders revered the elderly 
and celebrated their dead. 

2898
02:29:11,960 --> 02:29:15,040
The extra tidbit that they 
revered the elderly is just it 

2899
02:29:15,040 --> 02:29:19,440
fits so well into the pastiche 
of revering life and revering 

2900
02:29:19,440 --> 02:29:21,880
the experiences that any elderly
person would have had. 

2901
02:29:21,880 --> 02:29:24,200
That's a person that has a lot 
to tell you about. 

2902
02:29:24,200 --> 02:29:28,400
They have lived a long life that
is valuable, that should be 

2903
02:29:28,400 --> 02:29:33,080
celebrated and of course follows
that you celebrate the dead 

2904
02:29:33,440 --> 02:29:36,800
rather than mourn you would be 
you would look at it positively.

2905
02:29:36,800 --> 02:29:38,640
That person had a good full 
life. 

2906
02:29:38,640 --> 02:29:41,320
This person lived to be 102. 
You can't ask for more than 

2907
02:29:41,320 --> 02:29:42,880
that. 
That's a win. 

2908
02:29:43,080 --> 02:29:45,000
That's not a loss when they died
102. 

2909
02:29:45,000 --> 02:29:47,280
That is a victory. 
That person lived a long time. 

2910
02:29:47,280 --> 02:29:49,560
We should celebrate that. 
So I I respect this. 

2911
02:29:49,560 --> 02:29:51,880
I appreciate that there's lots 
of cultures around the world 

2912
02:29:52,400 --> 02:29:56,080
that look at funeral to try to 
make funerals a happy event, a 

2913
02:29:56,080 --> 02:29:57,960
celebration rather than a 
morning. 

2914
02:29:57,960 --> 02:29:59,640
And this is in the interplay 
here. 

2915
02:29:59,640 --> 02:30:03,440
Sam is sad, he's crying. 
He's he's he's he misses Maester

2916
02:30:03,440 --> 02:30:04,800
Eamonn. 
And that's real, that's human, 

2917
02:30:05,080 --> 02:30:08,320
but he's presented with an 
opposite view. 

2918
02:30:08,320 --> 02:30:11,840
He's never seen this before. 
He he is one of the characters 

2919
02:30:11,840 --> 02:30:16,040
we've seen at a funeral scene 
before at the nights watch, the 

2920
02:30:16,040 --> 02:30:18,840
nights watch funeral. 
See, when they give the the man 

2921
02:30:18,840 --> 02:30:22,840
who dies at Craster's and they 
give a a speech for him, like 

2922
02:30:22,840 --> 02:30:24,840
where did he come from down 
White Harbor way? 

2923
02:30:24,840 --> 02:30:27,200
It's very it's solemn. 
You know, it's nice, it's 

2924
02:30:27,200 --> 02:30:30,360
dutiful, but there's not there's
no real emotion in it. 

2925
02:30:30,360 --> 02:30:33,360
No one's they're not sad or 
happy. 

2926
02:30:33,600 --> 02:30:36,360
It's just like they just do it 
right. 

2927
02:30:36,360 --> 02:30:39,240
It's a thing to be done, you 
know, and it's this is so 

2928
02:30:39,240 --> 02:30:41,440
different than the way the 
summer islands are like they're 

2929
02:30:41,440 --> 02:30:47,200
colorful and and and joyous and 
outspoken and positive and the 

2930
02:30:47,200 --> 02:30:53,960
nights watcher quiet and dutiful
and sullen and and it's very 

2931
02:30:53,960 --> 02:30:57,280
much the meta here is George is 
mashing these two very opposite 

2932
02:30:57,280 --> 02:31:00,760
things together in a place where
they can't escape each other. 

2933
02:31:00,920 --> 02:31:02,760
They're on a ship. 
They have to interact. 

2934
02:31:03,080 --> 02:31:05,920
These two cultures must clash, 
right? 

2935
02:31:07,520 --> 02:31:12,440
There is no culture that is more
restrictive, more negative 

2936
02:31:12,440 --> 02:31:17,520
towards sex, and less colorful 
than the Night's Watch, right? 

2937
02:31:18,120 --> 02:31:21,840
They're all in black. 
They have no color. 

2938
02:31:22,080 --> 02:31:24,720
They're against color. 
Mance Ray to put a little bit of

2939
02:31:24,720 --> 02:31:26,960
red in his cloak and I ragged. 
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 

2940
02:31:26,960 --> 02:31:29,280
no, no, no, no, no, no. 
You're going way too red. 

2941
02:31:29,560 --> 02:31:32,880
Are you kidding me? 
This is absolutely not. 

2942
02:31:34,240 --> 02:31:36,600
Shea had a great catch right 
before this episode. 

2943
02:31:37,040 --> 02:31:42,120
In this quote, Zondo, a black 
man, calls Sam a white man black

2944
02:31:42,120 --> 02:31:45,960
Sam because of his clothes. 
It must look really weird to a 

2945
02:31:45,960 --> 02:31:47,560
summer Islander. 
They are dressed in their 

2946
02:31:47,560 --> 02:31:48,960
feather cloaks, their bright 
colors. 

2947
02:31:48,960 --> 02:31:51,000
Like why would you wear all 
black? 

2948
02:31:52,240 --> 02:31:54,640
That is boring as hell. 
Like what are you trying to 

2949
02:31:54,640 --> 02:31:56,040
sneak in? 
Are you a criminal? 

2950
02:31:56,040 --> 02:31:57,560
Are you trying to sneak in 
somewhere? 

2951
02:31:57,600 --> 02:32:00,240
You know, like are you a night 
stalker? 

2952
02:32:00,240 --> 02:32:02,680
Are you trying to look like a 
night stalker? 

2953
02:32:02,680 --> 02:32:05,040
Is that what's up here? 
Yeah. 

2954
02:32:05,200 --> 02:32:08,360
Like, compare this to, again, 
other examples, the Hoster Tully

2955
02:32:08,360 --> 02:32:10,720
boat funeral scene, which does 
have a little bit of Comic 

2956
02:32:10,720 --> 02:32:14,240
Relief cause of Ed Muir being a 
bad bow shot, which that would 

2957
02:32:14,240 --> 02:32:16,520
be a problem if the Summer 
Islanders needed archery at 

2958
02:32:16,520 --> 02:32:18,200
their funerals. 
Well, it has comic problems, 

2959
02:32:18,200 --> 02:32:19,600
but. 
It's not a celebration. 

2960
02:32:19,600 --> 02:32:20,440
No, you're. 
Right. 

2961
02:32:20,440 --> 02:32:23,960
It, it, it's, it's Comic Relief 
in a very sad moment like this 

2962
02:32:23,960 --> 02:32:26,160
is to make it less sad because 
it's so sad. 

2963
02:32:26,200 --> 02:32:29,200
Like, you don't need that here. 
They're drinking and happy and 

2964
02:32:29,200 --> 02:32:30,560
partying. 
You don't need the, you know, 

2965
02:32:30,560 --> 02:32:33,640
Sam is the the exception. 
He's sad and everybody else is 

2966
02:32:33,640 --> 02:32:35,640
happy. 
So yeah, it, it doesn't come off

2967
02:32:35,640 --> 02:32:37,680
like a sad scene. 
It's, it's great. 

2968
02:32:37,840 --> 02:32:40,280
Compare that to the Targaryen 
burnings or, or whatever. 

2969
02:32:40,280 --> 02:32:41,400
Like, these are all very 
different. 

2970
02:32:42,320 --> 02:32:44,760
Zondo's lover, as we said, is 
Koja MO. 

2971
02:32:45,080 --> 02:32:47,640
Koja is also one of our cats. 
We have a cat named Koja. 

2972
02:32:47,640 --> 02:32:50,000
We call her Koja MU. 
That's her full name. 

2973
02:32:50,440 --> 02:32:56,120
Koja is the daughter of the 
captain Kahura MO and she is the

2974
02:32:56,720 --> 02:32:59,320
herself the captain of The 
Archers on the ship. 

2975
02:33:00,080 --> 02:33:02,600
And as Ashaya pointed out 
earlier, the name or Dornish 

2976
02:33:02,600 --> 02:33:04,400
Dame did. 
I suppose we both did. 

2977
02:33:04,440 --> 02:33:05,280
You both did. 
You all did. 

2978
02:33:05,280 --> 02:33:08,920
Yeah. 
Koja might mean born on the 

2979
02:33:08,920 --> 02:33:10,600
island of Koja. 
It might be what that means, or 

2980
02:33:10,600 --> 02:33:11,840
at least associated with it 
somehow. 

2981
02:33:11,840 --> 02:33:14,360
And they're. 
Extra, you know, ship maker 

2982
02:33:14,360 --> 02:33:16,520
Extra, you know, it makes sense,
it really. 

2983
02:33:16,520 --> 02:33:20,760
Does not only do summer 
Islanders celebrate life and and

2984
02:33:20,760 --> 02:33:23,800
and drink and suffering 
funerals, they specifically make

2985
02:33:23,800 --> 02:33:26,720
a point to go have sex after 
funerals or as part of a 

2986
02:33:26,720 --> 02:33:29,760
celebration because that is the 
ultimate like spitting in the 

2987
02:33:29,760 --> 02:33:33,000
face of death is to celebrate 
life, maybe even make a new life

2988
02:33:33,240 --> 02:33:35,720
right? 
But Sam and Gilly, they hook up 

2989
02:33:35,720 --> 02:33:37,680
after the funeral and he feels 
guilty. 

2990
02:33:38,360 --> 02:33:42,840
Koja takes care of their baby, 
baby Sam, baby. 

2991
02:33:42,920 --> 02:33:46,960
Sorry, baby Amon Amon Battleborn
so that they can hook up. 

2992
02:33:49,280 --> 02:33:51,280
So that's why she's like, I'm 
going to take care of the baby 

2993
02:33:51,280 --> 02:33:53,800
so you can go hook up. 
She's like, if I weren't taking 

2994
02:33:53,800 --> 02:33:56,560
care of your baby right now, I'd
be hooking up with Koro right 

2995
02:33:56,560 --> 02:33:57,920
now. 
I mean, that's her father. 

2996
02:33:57,920 --> 02:33:59,880
Oops. 
This is in Targaryens with Zondo

2997
02:33:59,880 --> 02:34:05,240
right now. 
So this is what this is Koja's 

2998
02:34:05,800 --> 02:34:08,680
shutdown of Sam and me. 
Like look man, you're looking at

2999
02:34:08,680 --> 02:34:12,320
it the wrong way. 
After saying no. 

3000
02:34:12,320 --> 02:34:15,240
You honored the gods that made 
you both when you hooked up. 

3001
02:34:15,240 --> 02:34:17,640
That was honoring the gods. 
It's they. 

3002
02:34:17,640 --> 02:34:19,560
This is a gift from them. 
This is what she says. 

3003
02:34:19,560 --> 02:34:20,320
Quote. 
I love this. 

3004
02:34:21,440 --> 02:34:24,200
All you Westerosi make a shame 
of loving. 

3005
02:34:24,520 --> 02:34:28,480
There is no shame in loving if 
your septons say there is. 

3006
02:34:28,480 --> 02:34:32,240
Your 7 gods must be demons in 
the aisles. 

3007
02:34:32,240 --> 02:34:35,480
We know better. 
Our gods gave us legs to run 

3008
02:34:35,480 --> 02:34:40,160
with, noses to smell, with hands
to touch and feel. 

3009
02:34:40,600 --> 02:34:46,080
What mad, cruel God would give a
man eyes and tell him he must 

3010
02:34:46,080 --> 02:34:49,640
forever keep them shut and never
look at all the beauty in the 

3011
02:34:49,640 --> 02:34:52,040
world? 
Only a monster God. 

3012
02:34:52,360 --> 02:34:56,280
A demon of the darkness. 
Like the blind God, right? 

3013
02:34:56,920 --> 02:35:00,080
We do have that in Westeros. 
Like that one, There's one, but 

3014
02:35:00,080 --> 02:35:02,680
that one does sound kind of bad.
So yeah, there her point is 

3015
02:35:02,680 --> 02:35:04,240
made, right. 
What mad cool that one. 

3016
02:35:05,560 --> 02:35:07,920
Of course, the Nights Watch are 
celibate in order to fight the 

3017
02:35:07,920 --> 02:35:11,360
demons of the darkness, but is 
that really necessary? 

3018
02:35:11,880 --> 02:35:14,560
Many ignore it anyway. 
Like GR Morman basically says as

3019
02:35:14,560 --> 02:35:16,680
much as I was like, yeah, we 
don't actually care. 

3020
02:35:17,160 --> 02:35:18,200
We don't. 
We can't make it an 

3021
02:35:18,200 --> 02:35:22,600
institutional OK, but like, lots
of men go to moles town and I'm 

3022
02:35:22,600 --> 02:35:23,960
not going to do anything about 
it. 

3023
02:35:24,200 --> 02:35:25,840
My predecessor didn't do 
anything about it. 

3024
02:35:26,440 --> 02:35:28,880
I doubt many Lord Commanders 
will do anything about it, and 

3025
02:35:28,880 --> 02:35:32,760
they shouldn't. 
So again, the meta here is 

3026
02:35:32,760 --> 02:35:36,200
really strong. 
George clearly made the Summer 

3027
02:35:36,200 --> 02:35:39,480
Islander is extremely sex 
positive in order to be a foil 

3028
02:35:39,480 --> 02:35:42,000
to the Nights Watch vows and 
then to again jam them together 

3029
02:35:42,000 --> 02:35:45,080
here and have this great scene. 
It's not random, right? 

3030
02:35:45,080 --> 02:35:48,440
It isn't just George made a sex 
positive culture and then left 

3031
02:35:48,440 --> 02:35:49,760
it at that. 
No, the rest of the details 

3032
02:35:49,760 --> 02:35:52,680
around this culture all fit, 
that they're all in line, they 

3033
02:35:52,680 --> 02:35:56,400
all make sense. 
You can see how things come, how

3034
02:35:56,400 --> 02:35:59,520
one follows the other. 
And it's also again, a statement

3035
02:35:59,520 --> 02:36:02,320
on how these really isolated 
cultures can have very different

3036
02:36:02,320 --> 02:36:03,920
outcomes in their cultural 
development. 

3037
02:36:04,040 --> 02:36:06,320
And I love that this is who 
Eamon dies amidst, right? 

3038
02:36:06,320 --> 02:36:09,440
These are the people most in 
opposition to not just how the 

3039
02:36:09,440 --> 02:36:11,680
way a Night's Watchman lives, 
but how the maesters live. 

3040
02:36:11,680 --> 02:36:15,680
Eamon is the the guy who gave 
the love versus duty speech. 

3041
02:36:16,240 --> 02:36:19,200
And here Sam receives a very 
different near polar, again, 

3042
02:36:19,200 --> 02:36:22,080
solar opposite love versus duty 
speech from Koju. 

3043
02:36:22,080 --> 02:36:25,160
That's basically what that was. 
He's basically saying your duty 

3044
02:36:25,160 --> 02:36:29,600
is to love Gilly needs you. 
Don't be one of those men that 

3045
02:36:29,600 --> 02:36:32,440
just like, gets all weird after 
sleeping with somebody. 

3046
02:36:32,760 --> 02:36:36,160
Be, you know, be with her, 
accelerate, be joyous, don't be 

3047
02:36:36,160 --> 02:36:37,880
weird, don't be awkward. 
Enjoy it. 

3048
02:36:38,440 --> 02:36:40,400
You don't. 
Your culture is making you 

3049
02:36:40,400 --> 02:36:42,600
giving you the wrong ideas. 
Here it is. 

3050
02:36:42,600 --> 02:36:45,320
Summer versus winter. 
This is these are very much 

3051
02:36:45,320 --> 02:36:49,080
opposites conceptually, but also
the dictates of geography, 

3052
02:36:49,240 --> 02:36:50,960
right? 
The summer Islanders are who 

3053
02:36:50,960 --> 02:36:53,520
they are in part because they've
never faced the Others or 

3054
02:36:53,520 --> 02:36:56,640
winters that will kill you. 
It's not the only reason, but if

3055
02:36:56,640 --> 02:36:58,800
those things existed in their 
culture, you could be sure that 

3056
02:36:59,120 --> 02:37:00,560
things would be different in 
some ways. 

3057
02:37:03,560 --> 02:37:06,720
In addition to the rich cultural
world building and the culture 

3058
02:37:06,720 --> 02:37:10,040
clash of the scenes on the 
Cinnamon wind that just it all 

3059
02:37:10,040 --> 02:37:12,720
just fits together so expertly. 
George is at his best here. 

3060
02:37:13,280 --> 02:37:16,840
It's also we get some just 
regular demonstration of of how 

3061
02:37:16,840 --> 02:37:18,400
the Swan ships are so 
successful. 

3062
02:37:18,520 --> 02:37:23,000
Not one but two attempts are 
made on them while they're 

3063
02:37:23,000 --> 02:37:25,040
sailing. 
We we do get 2 chapters of 

3064
02:37:25,040 --> 02:37:27,560
sailing so it makes sense the 
first one isn't something we 

3065
02:37:27,560 --> 02:37:29,320
see, we just hear about it after
the fact. 

3066
02:37:29,520 --> 02:37:32,600
Sam is just thinking about he's 
like, I'm impressed. 

3067
02:37:32,760 --> 02:37:36,000
Those golden heart bows, he's 
like, I was trying to fire 1 and

3068
02:37:36,000 --> 02:37:37,480
I don't think my arrows got far 
enough. 

3069
02:37:37,480 --> 02:37:42,560
But Koji and her crew killed 
like a dozen Stepstone pirates 

3070
02:37:42,800 --> 02:37:45,080
when one ship or a couple ships 
came at them. 

3071
02:37:45,080 --> 02:37:48,600
And then they gave up and he 
keeps working at it and they get

3072
02:37:48,600 --> 02:37:52,280
another attempt. 
When the Cinnamon Wind is close 

3073
02:37:52,280 --> 02:37:54,080
to Old Town. 
They see evidence of Euron's 

3074
02:37:54,080 --> 02:37:55,760
piracy. 
They don't know it's Euron. 

3075
02:37:55,760 --> 02:38:00,360
We do, and some Ironborn emerge 
to challenge them ignorantly. 

3076
02:38:00,640 --> 02:38:04,200
Quote. 
Thrice long ships were sighted 

3077
02:38:04,200 --> 02:38:08,280
by the crow's nest. 
Two were well astern, however, 

3078
02:38:08,560 --> 02:38:11,240
and the cinnamon wind soon out 
distance them. 

3079
02:38:11,600 --> 02:38:16,080
The third appeared near sunset 
to cut them off from whispering 

3080
02:38:16,080 --> 02:38:21,360
sound when they saw her oars 
rising and falling, lashing the 

3081
02:38:21,360 --> 02:38:25,240
copper waters. 
White Kojimo sent her Archers to

3082
02:38:25,240 --> 02:38:29,720
the castles with their great 
bows of golden heart that could 

3083
02:38:29,720 --> 02:38:35,600
send a shaft farther and truer 
than even dornish Ute She waited

3084
02:38:35,600 --> 02:38:40,440
till the long ship came within 
200 yards before she gave the 

3085
02:38:40,440 --> 02:38:44,400
command to loose. 
Sam loosed with them, and this 

3086
02:38:44,400 --> 02:38:47,200
time he thought his arrow 
reached the ship. 

3087
02:38:47,600 --> 02:38:52,280
One volley was all it took. 
A long ship veered South in 

3088
02:38:52,280 --> 02:38:56,520
search of tamer prey. 
There's also another bit of meta

3089
02:38:56,520 --> 02:39:00,720
here that Sam is becoming more 
of a man, more of a whole person

3090
02:39:00,760 --> 02:39:03,240
in this little bit of time that 
he spent with the Summer 

3091
02:39:03,240 --> 02:39:06,720
Islanders than he did and his 
entire life on the wall, let 

3092
02:39:06,720 --> 02:39:10,440
alone living with his family, 
who are even worse because this 

3093
02:39:10,440 --> 02:39:12,280
is where he learned to really 
love. 

3094
02:39:12,560 --> 02:39:14,000
And this is where he learned to 
like work. 

3095
02:39:14,000 --> 02:39:16,480
Like all that time on the wall, 
all that work in there. 

3096
02:39:16,480 --> 02:39:17,800
He didn't get in this good a 
shape. 

3097
02:39:17,800 --> 02:39:19,080
He was never this good with a 
bow. 

3098
02:39:19,080 --> 02:39:22,160
Remember, he was like a joke 
with the bow when he was being 

3099
02:39:22,160 --> 02:39:24,560
taught by them. 
But here he learns how to do it 

3100
02:39:24,560 --> 02:39:25,600
because they're really good at 
it. 

3101
02:39:25,600 --> 02:39:27,280
And they probably weren't 
laughing at him in between. 

3102
02:39:27,280 --> 02:39:29,960
He probably got they probably 
better at like teaching him with

3103
02:39:29,960 --> 02:39:31,760
confidence without mocking. 
Right. 

3104
02:39:32,160 --> 02:39:36,320
So a lot going on here. 
Sam, his, his upbringing, just 

3105
02:39:36,320 --> 02:39:40,960
like two chapters on the 
cinnamon wind did more for his 

3106
02:39:40,960 --> 02:39:43,560
upbringing than all his life 
with his parents and all his 

3107
02:39:43,560 --> 02:39:45,520
time in the nights Watch. 
That's huge. 

3108
02:39:45,520 --> 02:39:48,400
This is a big part of of what 
George is doing here. 

3109
02:39:48,960 --> 02:39:53,720
So Euron's men right there, very
emboldened by what's happening 

3110
02:39:53,720 --> 02:39:55,880
there. 
He his leadership is, is giving 

3111
02:39:55,880 --> 02:39:58,920
them a lot of confidence. 
A more experienced Ironborn 

3112
02:39:58,920 --> 02:40:01,520
captain wouldn't have even tried
this, right? 

3113
02:40:01,520 --> 02:40:04,280
They know swanships like this 
isn't news to them. 

3114
02:40:04,280 --> 02:40:06,440
They've the swanships have been 
around for centuries, if not 

3115
02:40:06,440 --> 02:40:08,160
thousands of years. 
The Ironborn have been dealing 

3116
02:40:08,160 --> 02:40:09,920
with the Summer Isles for 
thousands of years. 

3117
02:40:09,920 --> 02:40:12,280
They know better. 
So this might have been some guy

3118
02:40:12,280 --> 02:40:14,880
who was just like, all right, 
I'm excited. 

3119
02:40:14,880 --> 02:40:17,920
I'm going to try something that 
isn't usually done or a guy that

3120
02:40:17,920 --> 02:40:20,080
just didn't know better because 
he's, you know, some new, some 

3121
02:40:20,080 --> 02:40:23,160
rookie captain promoted under 
Euron's new authority here. 

3122
02:40:23,160 --> 02:40:27,000
And so like a green guy, he's 
like, oh, never mind. 

3123
02:40:27,480 --> 02:40:29,560
Bullies will be bullies, right? 
That's what happened here. 

3124
02:40:29,560 --> 02:40:31,000
As soon as one volley was all it
took. 

3125
02:40:31,000 --> 02:40:33,400
And they're like, never mind, 
unless we'll find somebody that 

3126
02:40:33,400 --> 02:40:35,760
doesn't have arrows that can fly
400 yards. 

3127
02:40:36,480 --> 02:40:38,560
So it's in between these two 
pirate attacks, the one in the 

3128
02:40:38,560 --> 02:40:41,480
step stones and Euron, well, 
it's not Euron, but Euron's men.

3129
02:40:42,040 --> 02:40:45,000
That's when Maestra Amon passes.
And of course they can't do a 

3130
02:40:45,000 --> 02:40:48,280
fiery burial. 
They can't do a, a, a funeral 

3131
02:40:48,280 --> 02:40:52,440
pyre on a ship. 
But they do this cask corpse 

3132
02:40:52,440 --> 02:40:55,440
compromise where Eamon's body is
stuffed in the cask of rum. 

3133
02:40:55,640 --> 02:40:58,520
April Tyndall says they drank 
Eamon. 

3134
02:40:58,520 --> 02:41:00,480
His body was in the barrel they 
were drinking from. 

3135
02:41:00,480 --> 02:41:03,880
They don't say drink to life. 
They drank his life literally. 

3136
02:41:04,080 --> 02:41:05,800
I'm not sure that's what 
happened. 

3137
02:41:05,920 --> 02:41:07,640
They definitely put his body in 
the rum. 

3138
02:41:07,640 --> 02:41:10,000
I'm not sure they put the body. 
I think they rolled the body 

3139
02:41:10,000 --> 02:41:11,160
out. 
They celebrated his life. 

3140
02:41:11,560 --> 02:41:15,800
I think they put the body in 
after that, not before, but it 

3141
02:41:15,960 --> 02:41:17,560
either. 
But it is more fun to think that

3142
02:41:17,560 --> 02:41:21,760
they actually drank. 
It reminds us of of the time 

3143
02:41:21,760 --> 02:41:24,360
where where Dollar said said he 
drank. 

3144
02:41:24,360 --> 02:41:26,280
He's like you drank the wine 
that your brother died in. 

3145
02:41:26,280 --> 02:41:27,240
He's like, well, it was good 
wine. 

3146
02:41:27,240 --> 02:41:29,320
Like I don't want to waste it. 
You know, it's the same thing. 

3147
02:41:29,320 --> 02:41:34,600
This is good rum. 
You know, Black Balak. 

3148
02:41:34,960 --> 02:41:37,800
He is the commander of the 1000 
strong Archer core and the 

3149
02:41:37,800 --> 02:41:39,960
Golden Company 1000 out of 
10,000. 

3150
02:41:39,960 --> 02:41:43,000
So they have a full 10th of 
their army is Archers. 

3151
02:41:43,000 --> 02:41:48,920
But only fifty of those 1000 are
summer Islanders wielding golden

3152
02:41:48,920 --> 02:41:51,680
heart bows, which goes to show 
it's rare. 

3153
02:41:51,680 --> 02:41:56,520
But also like, he's the leader. 
Like it figures that a guy from 

3154
02:41:56,520 --> 02:42:03,040
an archery society would rise to
the top of a merit based company

3155
02:42:03,480 --> 02:42:06,120
where, yeah, the the the guys 
who were the best to rise to. 

3156
02:42:06,120 --> 02:42:08,880
I mean, not only is he probably 
among the best actual Archers, 

3157
02:42:08,880 --> 02:42:11,080
he has a golden heart bow 
himself, which means he's also 

3158
02:42:11,080 --> 02:42:14,960
one of the best equipped as far 
as summer Islanders looking 

3159
02:42:14,960 --> 02:42:19,320
colorful as a standard, which is
what we've come to expect. 

3160
02:42:19,600 --> 02:42:25,360
Black Balak is far more so 
because he combines the somewhat

3161
02:42:25,360 --> 02:42:29,560
standard splendor of a summer 
Islander with the quote UN quote

3162
02:42:29,560 --> 02:42:33,360
rude splendor of the Golden 
Company, which is that sell 

3163
02:42:33,360 --> 02:42:35,960
swords carry much of their 
wealth on their person because 

3164
02:42:36,400 --> 02:42:38,080
where else are they going to put
it right? 

3165
02:42:39,440 --> 02:42:43,040
It it shows off how successful 
they are and it keeps it safe. 

3166
02:42:43,040 --> 02:42:45,800
Like they have arm ring, the 
golden arm rings, one for each 

3167
02:42:45,800 --> 02:42:49,360
year in the company Black Palak.
His his beard is whitened. 

3168
02:42:49,440 --> 02:42:51,920
He's he's older. 
He's at least in his 40s, 

3169
02:42:52,320 --> 02:42:54,880
probably got a lot of golden arm
rings to go with his feathered 

3170
02:42:54,880 --> 02:42:59,640
cloak and his whatever other 
gems and rings and wealth he's 

3171
02:42:59,640 --> 02:43:03,000
carrying on his by this is a 
very, very shiny blinged out 

3172
02:43:03,000 --> 02:43:07,680
guy, but also not a man to mess 
with high up high officer. 

3173
02:43:07,680 --> 02:43:10,240
He's among the inner circle. 
We see him meeting with nine 

3174
02:43:10,240 --> 02:43:12,520
other eight other officers like 
the the top of the top of the 

3175
02:43:12,520 --> 02:43:15,120
golden company. 
Now he's a good example of how 

3176
02:43:15,760 --> 02:43:19,160
the Golden Company used to be a 
Westerosi thing, but over time 

3177
02:43:19,160 --> 02:43:23,520
they've evolved and even the 
officers are not all Westerosi 

3178
02:43:23,520 --> 02:43:25,040
anymore. 
He's not even the only one. 

3179
02:43:25,040 --> 02:43:29,800
There's Goris Sidorian and 
Lysone Omar who are Valentine 

3180
02:43:29,800 --> 02:43:34,720
and Lyseny respectively, and of 
course all the Captain Captain 

3181
02:43:34,720 --> 02:43:37,000
generals of the Golden Company. 
To date, it's still all been 

3182
02:43:37,000 --> 02:43:40,000
Westerosi, but that may not 
stick either over time. 

3183
02:43:40,880 --> 02:43:42,840
So this is a man we'll see 
again. 

3184
02:43:42,840 --> 02:43:47,720
We already saw him in action at 
Griffin's Roost, helped taking 

3185
02:43:48,000 --> 02:43:49,360
shooting some dudes off the 
wall. 

3186
02:43:49,360 --> 02:43:52,520
There wasn't much of A defense 
mounted, but The Archers did 

3187
02:43:52,520 --> 02:43:55,480
their job. 
The the maester tried to send 

3188
02:43:55,480 --> 02:43:59,240
Ravens off to Warren and well, 
Black Balak and his men took 

3189
02:43:59,240 --> 02:44:03,560
those Ravens down too. 
So they really did their job 

3190
02:44:03,560 --> 02:44:05,560
quite well. 
And we'll probably see that 

3191
02:44:05,560 --> 02:44:09,440
again now, maybe in some 
battles, certainly to come. 

3192
02:44:10,240 --> 02:44:13,080
Tal Torak kind of rhymes a 
little bit with Black Balak. 

3193
02:44:13,520 --> 02:44:16,760
When Danny frees the slaves in 
Marine, she forms a cell sword 

3194
02:44:16,760 --> 02:44:20,120
company out of freed slaves, 
guys who want to be in this 

3195
02:44:20,120 --> 02:44:22,160
company. 
The first leader is a man named 

3196
02:44:22,160 --> 02:44:26,640
Milano Yoss Daub, who is 
described as more of a scribe 

3197
02:44:26,640 --> 02:44:29,720
than a warrior, but still a 
competent and formidable guy. 

3198
02:44:29,720 --> 02:44:33,560
But he dies of the Pale Mirror, 
and he's replaced by Tal Torak, 

3199
02:44:33,560 --> 02:44:37,440
who is a summer Islander, and 
he's seen giving advice at the 

3200
02:44:37,440 --> 02:44:38,960
War Council when they're under 
siege. 

3201
02:44:39,320 --> 02:44:44,560
He and his men, the Stalwart 
Shields, gather at the Eastgate 

3202
02:44:44,560 --> 02:44:46,880
when Bereson is getting ready to
do his charge in The Winds of 

3203
02:44:46,880 --> 02:44:48,640
Winter. 
We don't actually hear what 

3204
02:44:48,640 --> 02:44:51,800
happens with them, because the 
charge happens in Bereson's 

3205
02:44:51,800 --> 02:44:54,680
second T Willow chapter, but 
he's out in the field. 

3206
02:44:54,680 --> 02:44:56,440
He doesn't know what's happening
on the other side of the 

3207
02:44:56,440 --> 02:44:58,920
battlefield, so presumably 
they're doing something. 

3208
02:44:59,320 --> 02:45:03,720
We'll find out more later. 
Shataya and Aliyaya. 

3209
02:45:04,520 --> 02:45:07,720
Shataya is an extremely graceful
and disciplined business woman. 

3210
02:45:07,880 --> 02:45:10,280
She's the very picture of the 
upscale Madam. 

3211
02:45:10,680 --> 02:45:13,160
She has a feathered gown too. 
Not a cloak, but a gown. 

3212
02:45:13,160 --> 02:45:15,600
So yeah, this is I guess that's 
the feminine version of the 

3213
02:45:15,600 --> 02:45:17,720
feathered cloak. 
Maybe is the gown or maybe the 

3214
02:45:17,720 --> 02:45:19,160
women wear cloaks too. 
I don't know. 

3215
02:45:19,160 --> 02:45:22,000
Women wear cloaks, so no reason 
why she couldn't have that also.

3216
02:45:22,000 --> 02:45:24,960
But it goes to show that there 
are other garments that they use

3217
02:45:24,960 --> 02:45:26,440
these bright colored feathers 
on. 

3218
02:45:27,160 --> 02:45:29,680
She owns one of the most high 
end brothels in King's Landing 

3219
02:45:29,680 --> 02:45:33,120
on the Street of Silk. 
Recall that early on, Bron is 

3220
02:45:33,120 --> 02:45:35,840
like not even allowed in. 
I'm like Nah, you're you're too 

3221
02:45:35,840 --> 02:45:38,920
low end for this place. 
But he becomes a knight and a 

3222
02:45:38,920 --> 02:45:41,400
hero of the Blackwater. 
Next thing you know he's in bed 

3223
02:45:41,400 --> 02:45:43,200
with two of the women from 
there. 

3224
02:45:43,200 --> 02:45:46,240
And yeah, you have to be rich to
even go in, let alone afford it.

3225
02:45:46,960 --> 02:45:48,960
Now sex work is something we 
could expect the Summer 

3226
02:45:48,960 --> 02:45:51,280
Islanders to have a big leg up 
on given all the cultural 

3227
02:45:51,280 --> 02:45:54,560
attitudes towards it, and 
perhaps skill is a big part of 

3228
02:45:54,560 --> 02:45:57,240
it as well. 
But a foreign born operator is 

3229
02:45:57,240 --> 02:46:00,600
going to face challenges from 
the culture she resides in. 

3230
02:46:00,600 --> 02:46:03,120
Their views towards sex are 
going to be the predominant 

3231
02:46:03,120 --> 02:46:06,160
view, not hers. 
So it gives her perspective on 

3232
02:46:06,160 --> 02:46:09,120
both of these worlds really. 
And she thinks sex is a gift 

3233
02:46:09,120 --> 02:46:12,160
from the gods and was she was 
raised to believe that but 

3234
02:46:12,160 --> 02:46:15,080
Westerosi don't. 
But they sure are willing to pay

3235
02:46:15,080 --> 02:46:17,080
for it and there's a lot of bank
for her. 

3236
02:46:17,840 --> 02:46:21,840
Speaking of willing to pay, it's
Shatia's brothel that Tyrion 

3237
02:46:21,840 --> 02:46:25,120
pays huge amounts to, to pretend
to sleep with Aliyaya, who is 

3238
02:46:25,120 --> 02:46:28,200
Shatia's daughter, so he can 
take the secret passage to 

3239
02:46:28,200 --> 02:46:31,600
instead see Shay. 
Now, of course, this secret 

3240
02:46:31,600 --> 02:46:34,800
tunnel's been there since maybe 
the time of Tywin. 

3241
02:46:34,800 --> 02:46:37,320
Tywin is the most popular theory
for who built that tunnel. 

3242
02:46:38,080 --> 02:46:41,400
And he may even be the father of
what is it, Murray or Dancy, one

3243
02:46:41,400 --> 02:46:43,440
of the two girls there? 
Certainly not Aliyah. 

3244
02:46:43,440 --> 02:46:46,400
Yeah. 
So Cersei finds out about this 

3245
02:46:46,720 --> 02:46:51,240
part of it and thinks to 
threaten Aliyah, thinking he's 

3246
02:46:51,240 --> 02:46:54,520
threatening Tom, Tyrion's lover.
Tyrion is still very upset by 

3247
02:46:54,520 --> 02:46:57,600
this and threatens to do to Tom 
and whatever has done to her, 

3248
02:46:58,200 --> 02:47:02,480
which actually restrains Cersei.
But Tywin finds out and is very 

3249
02:47:02,640 --> 02:47:06,000
very disappointed in this whole 
thing and has Alyaya whipped 

3250
02:47:06,000 --> 02:47:08,280
anyway. 
She still doesn't snitch or 

3251
02:47:08,280 --> 02:47:11,600
anything and heals up. 
It's her back is permanently 

3252
02:47:11,600 --> 02:47:13,360
scarred but she goes back to 
work. 

3253
02:47:13,960 --> 02:47:16,520
She was born in King's Landing, 
so we don't know if she's ever 

3254
02:47:16,520 --> 02:47:19,640
even been to the Summer Isles. 
Likely her mother raised her 

3255
02:47:19,640 --> 02:47:22,960
with some Summer Islander 
values, but if she did wasn't 

3256
02:47:22,960 --> 02:47:24,320
raised there that would 
certainly be. 

3257
02:47:24,320 --> 02:47:26,720
There'd be a lot of Westeros in 
her as well. 

3258
02:47:27,040 --> 02:47:30,000
In terms of her upbringing, we 
don't know who her father was, 

3259
02:47:30,000 --> 02:47:32,840
that's he's not mentioned at 
all, but she looks like her 

3260
02:47:32,840 --> 02:47:34,680
mother. 
So yeah. 

3261
02:47:34,680 --> 02:47:38,520
Anyway, Angai won the hands 
tournament, archery. 

3262
02:47:38,520 --> 02:47:41,880
He was, you know, he beat out 
Jala Bargeau and Baylin Swan, 

3263
02:47:42,000 --> 02:47:44,480
won a ton of money there and 
blew most of it at Chatais, 

3264
02:47:45,080 --> 02:47:49,000
including with Aliyaya. 
Braun, like I said, also paid 

3265
02:47:49,000 --> 02:47:51,400
for Aliyaya and so did Obra and 
Martel. 

3266
02:47:51,400 --> 02:47:53,600
Just just, she's just a very 
popular choice. 

3267
02:47:54,120 --> 02:47:58,240
Robert, of course, loved the 
place, which means, yeah, he had

3268
02:47:58,240 --> 02:48:01,280
bastards there. 
This is where Cersei targeted 

3269
02:48:01,280 --> 02:48:05,720
her bastard, his bastard Barra. 
That was an ugly scene. 

3270
02:48:06,040 --> 02:48:10,040
Shataya was grateful to Tyrion 
when he had Al Ardeem killed and

3271
02:48:10,040 --> 02:48:12,040
had Slint sent to the Wall 
because those were the two 

3272
02:48:12,040 --> 02:48:14,080
people who came in and and did 
The Dirty work. 

3273
02:48:14,400 --> 02:48:17,760
That wasn't good. 
So yeah, Littlefinger himself, 

3274
02:48:17,880 --> 02:48:21,200
of course, is a major brothel 
owner, The biggest brothel owner

3275
02:48:21,200 --> 02:48:23,520
in King's Landing probably 
actually compliments Shatayas 

3276
02:48:23,520 --> 02:48:26,440
and says she runs a, well, a 
fine establishment over there. 

3277
02:48:26,440 --> 02:48:29,040
I thought about buying it. 
What A twist that would be. 

3278
02:48:29,720 --> 02:48:32,440
Littlefinger owning the brothel 
with the secret tunnel that 

3279
02:48:32,440 --> 02:48:36,640
leads near the Red Keep. 
Whoa, can't have him owning 

3280
02:48:36,640 --> 02:48:39,080
that, can we? 
I'm not sure the tunnel even 

3281
02:48:39,080 --> 02:48:40,800
matters anymore. 
Nina and I were discussing this 

3282
02:48:40,800 --> 02:48:45,200
one like the Tower of the Hand 
was burned down. 

3283
02:48:45,920 --> 02:48:48,520
So but the tunnel didn't lead 
directly into the tower. 

3284
02:48:48,520 --> 02:48:51,040
It led to a stable right next to
it. 

3285
02:48:51,040 --> 02:48:54,720
The stable might have been 
destroyed too, but maybe not so 

3286
02:48:54,720 --> 02:48:57,400
that it might be a dead end now 
that tunnel, but it might not 

3287
02:48:57,400 --> 02:48:58,480
be. 
So it's it's kind of an open 

3288
02:48:58,480 --> 02:49:02,440
question. 
Quote of the Week are somewhat 

3289
02:49:02,440 --> 02:49:06,840
new feature where I bring you 
some of my favorite quotes from 

3290
02:49:07,000 --> 02:49:12,640
other books and give you an 
opportunity to perhaps pick this

3291
02:49:13,040 --> 02:49:16,240
story up yourself. 
Here's the quote. 

3292
02:49:16,880 --> 02:49:20,720
There is time enough to be lost 
in the majesty and to remember 

3293
02:49:20,720 --> 02:49:23,320
nature did not provide this with
her careless hand. 

3294
02:49:23,400 --> 02:49:27,440
My race of mortals carved this 
paradise from irradiated rock 

3295
02:49:27,560 --> 02:49:31,640
and violent gas by channelling 
the greatest virtues of all men 

3296
02:49:31,800 --> 02:49:35,440
in common cause. 
A patriotic pride that I did not

3297
02:49:35,440 --> 02:49:38,960
know I possessed fills me. 
The same blood flows through my 

3298
02:49:38,960 --> 02:49:42,920
veins as the man who sent the 
last of the Lovelock engines and

3299
02:49:42,920 --> 02:49:46,400
storm gods here. 
But the zeal evaporates as soon 

3300
02:49:46,400 --> 02:49:49,800
as I realize I do not belong to 
the age of giants who made this,

3301
02:49:50,160 --> 02:49:54,240
but to a smaller, meaner age 
where men think war the height 

3302
02:49:54,400 --> 02:49:58,040
of human endeavour. 
I laugh at the cosmic joke only 

3303
02:49:58,040 --> 02:50:01,480
humanity could grasp the stars 
and then let them slip through 

3304
02:50:01,480 --> 02:50:03,760
its fingers for the pettiness in
its heart. 

3305
02:50:04,480 --> 02:50:06,960
But I feel hope. 
That pettiness defined my 

3306
02:50:06,960 --> 02:50:10,560
grandmother's age. 
It may yet not define ours. 

3307
02:50:11,360 --> 02:50:15,920
That is from Dark Age book 4 of 
Red Rising by Pierce Brown. 

3308
02:50:16,200 --> 02:50:20,720
Red Rising is my favorite series
since The Expanse, and it's got 

3309
02:50:20,720 --> 02:50:23,080
one more book before being 
complete that should be out next

3310
02:50:23,080 --> 02:50:27,120
year, according to Pierce Brown.
And he's under 40, a hungry 

3311
02:50:27,160 --> 02:50:29,160
young author. 
It's his first series. 

3312
02:50:29,680 --> 02:50:32,640
And so I think it won't be 
delayed a long time like some of

3313
02:50:32,640 --> 02:50:35,560
these other novels in their 
final books, our series in their

3314
02:50:35,560 --> 02:50:38,360
final books. 
So this is book 4. 

3315
02:50:38,360 --> 02:50:41,320
So it's a while to get to that. 
I hope you're inspired by this 

3316
02:50:41,320 --> 02:50:42,680
quote. 
I'll probably throw a few more 

3317
02:50:42,680 --> 02:50:45,760
quotes from the series here and 
there over the coming months 

3318
02:50:46,120 --> 02:50:49,040
because I love it so much. 
But yeah, Dark Age, Red Rising 

3319
02:50:49,240 --> 02:50:51,640
and if you want to get involved,
get book 1. 

3320
02:50:51,640 --> 02:50:53,960
You can get it through our 
website historywesteros.com, 

3321
02:50:54,000 --> 02:50:58,360
either through audible format on
audible through Amazon, or just 

3322
02:50:58,360 --> 02:51:00,760
buy the book regular and and 
read it analog style. 

3323
02:51:01,720 --> 02:51:05,840
Few other characters that I 
think are worth mentioning, 

3324
02:51:05,840 --> 02:51:08,920
people with Summer Islander 
heritage, Brown Ben Plum, he 

3325
02:51:08,920 --> 02:51:12,200
claims to have amongst the many 
ethnicities in his background. 

3326
02:51:12,200 --> 02:51:15,520
Summer Islander is one of them. 
Tyrion notes that when they're 

3327
02:51:15,520 --> 02:51:18,520
attacked by stone men at the 
Bridge of Dream, one of the ones

3328
02:51:18,520 --> 02:51:22,240
that almost gets Young Griff was
a Summer Islander. 

3329
02:51:23,040 --> 02:51:25,120
There are summer Islanders in 
the brave companions? 

3330
02:51:25,120 --> 02:51:27,680
Unsure how many, probably maybe 
none now since the Brave 

3331
02:51:27,680 --> 02:51:30,400
Companions isn't really a a 
functional unit anymore. 

3332
02:51:31,000 --> 02:51:33,000
We see one fighting at Daznak's 
pit. 

3333
02:51:33,000 --> 02:51:36,840
He fights Kraz, loses cause of 
course Kraz is later killed by 

3334
02:51:36,840 --> 02:51:41,960
Barristan outside of the pit. 
Sorella Sand and her mother, of 

3335
02:51:41,960 --> 02:51:44,000
course. 
Sorella is presented as Alaris 

3336
02:51:44,000 --> 02:51:45,960
at in the Feast for Crows 
prologue. 

3337
02:51:46,400 --> 02:51:48,160
She's the 4th daughter of 
Oberyn. 

3338
02:51:48,360 --> 02:51:51,560
Her mother is the captain of a 
ship called the Feathered Kiss, 

3339
02:51:51,560 --> 02:51:55,520
which is presumably a swan ship.
Safe guess, right? 

3340
02:51:56,400 --> 02:51:58,880
Let's not forget how close Old 
Town is. 

3341
02:51:58,880 --> 02:52:01,520
As we discussed earlier. 
Relatively speaking to Wilano, 

3342
02:52:02,280 --> 02:52:05,400
decent chance that's where 
Alaris's mother is from. 

3343
02:52:05,600 --> 02:52:10,200
Sorella's mother from Wilano, 
but she could be from Koge or OR

3344
02:52:11,360 --> 02:52:15,200
Jala or Umburu anywhere. 
And in the opening chapter of A 

3345
02:52:15,200 --> 02:52:18,400
Feast for Crows and Pate's 
prologue, Alaris is seen 

3346
02:52:18,400 --> 02:52:22,160
shooting arrows at apples with a
golden hard bow. 

3347
02:52:22,360 --> 02:52:25,920
She puts it away and it's nice 
case afterwards and they kind of

3348
02:52:25,920 --> 02:52:29,480
admire it for a minute. 
And how really Pate's like 

3349
02:52:30,160 --> 02:52:33,080
Notice thinks about how hard it 
is to draw and how Alaris must 

3350
02:52:33,080 --> 02:52:37,080
be stronger than she looks 
because bows, you know, it's 

3351
02:52:37,080 --> 02:52:39,760
hard to do that. 
But Alaris was probably drawn a 

3352
02:52:39,760 --> 02:52:42,880
bow since a very young age, 
given her mother. 

3353
02:52:42,880 --> 02:52:47,520
And yeah, you got to believe 
that any merchant Summer 

3354
02:52:47,520 --> 02:52:50,400
Islander is going to have skill 
with a bow, or at least basic 

3355
02:52:50,400 --> 02:52:51,920
training in one. 
Because can I say. 

3356
02:52:51,960 --> 02:52:52,880
Something. 
It's everything. 

3357
02:52:53,000 --> 02:52:55,400
Yeah, I think. 
The answer to how you should 

3358
02:52:55,400 --> 02:52:59,280
refer to Sorella is to use 
gender neutral pronouns to say 

3359
02:52:59,280 --> 02:53:01,560
they because. 
You're constantly. 

3360
02:53:01,920 --> 02:53:05,120
Referring to man and woman. 
I think that's what should be a 

3361
02:53:05,120 --> 02:53:06,720
good rule of thumb. 
Yeah, you're right. 

3362
02:53:07,240 --> 02:53:10,680
Cuz yeah, cuz she's in disguise 
as a man and that's how she 

3363
02:53:10,760 --> 02:53:12,400
goes. 
They're in. 

3364
02:53:12,400 --> 02:53:14,760
Disguise as a man. 
Yeah, True. 

3365
02:53:14,760 --> 02:53:16,680
Yeah, you're right. 
That makes that makes good 

3366
02:53:16,680 --> 02:53:17,440
sense. 
It's true. 

3367
02:53:18,120 --> 02:53:20,200
And that's it. 
That is our final character to 

3368
02:53:20,200 --> 02:53:23,720
mention. 
As I've said a few times, maybe 

3369
02:53:23,720 --> 02:53:25,840
we'll see someone flee or retire
there. 

3370
02:53:26,520 --> 02:53:30,040
The cinnamon wind, though, could
absolutely be heard from again 

3371
02:53:30,680 --> 02:53:32,920
when Marwin decides he's 
leaving. 

3372
02:53:33,840 --> 02:53:35,760
Almost. 
Immediately after meeting Sam, 

3373
02:53:35,760 --> 02:53:38,960
he says this quote. 
What will you do? 

3374
02:53:39,040 --> 02:53:42,240
Asked. 
Alaris the Sphinx, get myself to

3375
02:53:42,240 --> 02:53:46,520
Slaver's Bay in Eamon's place. 
The swanship that delivered 

3376
02:53:46,520 --> 02:53:49,480
Slayer should serve my needs 
well enough. 

3377
02:53:49,800 --> 02:53:53,160
The Gray sheep will send their 
man on a galley. 

3378
02:53:53,160 --> 02:53:58,640
I don't doubt with Fairwinds I 
should reach her first, but do. 

3379
02:53:58,640 --> 02:54:01,720
They want to go, I mean, he 
can't just be like, yo, take me 

3380
02:54:01,720 --> 02:54:05,120
to Slaver's Bay. 
Like they have to want to go 

3381
02:54:05,120 --> 02:54:06,320
there. 
They have to like, can he pay 

3382
02:54:06,320 --> 02:54:07,600
for it? 
Like, I don't know that they 

3383
02:54:07,600 --> 02:54:08,840
want to go there. 
It's a war zone. 

3384
02:54:08,840 --> 02:54:11,000
Even if he pays, they've seen 
Danny once. 

3385
02:54:11,000 --> 02:54:13,000
I mean, they have other things 
to do. 

3386
02:54:13,120 --> 02:54:15,840
They're not just at Marwin's 
beck and call, obviously. 

3387
02:54:15,840 --> 02:54:18,720
So he may have to find another 
way to get there. 

3388
02:54:18,920 --> 02:54:22,440
And I'm not convinced that the 
cinnamon wind is the is the 

3389
02:54:22,960 --> 02:54:25,600
guaranteed to be the option. 
It could be, though, which is 

3390
02:54:25,600 --> 02:54:28,360
why we have to consider it. 
But Marwin doesn't appear in 

3391
02:54:28,360 --> 02:54:32,440
Quait's vision as one of the 
people coming to her, to Danny. 

3392
02:54:32,440 --> 02:54:35,120
You know, it's, you know, the 
Kraken and Dark flame, you know,

3393
02:54:35,120 --> 02:54:38,720
Sun, Sun and Griffin. 
There's no Marwin. 

3394
02:54:38,720 --> 02:54:42,560
There's no, you know, Bulldog 
Maester, you know, chained 

3395
02:54:42,560 --> 02:54:44,040
Bulldog. 
Whatever you would call him. 

3396
02:54:44,040 --> 02:54:45,200
I don't know what you would call
him. 

3397
02:54:45,720 --> 02:54:48,040
He kind of looks like a bulldog 
is the point being. 

3398
02:54:48,040 --> 02:54:50,560
But either way, he's not in 
there. 

3399
02:54:51,120 --> 02:54:53,880
So that doesn't necessarily it 
doesn't mean she won't encounter

3400
02:54:53,880 --> 02:54:58,440
Marwin or the Cinnamon win, but 
maybe not based on this quote. 

3401
02:54:59,280 --> 02:55:02,800
One final thought I have here. 
The Sea Snake Show is a strong 

3402
02:55:02,800 --> 02:55:05,200
possibility for us to explore 
more of the world. 

3403
02:55:05,560 --> 02:55:08,160
Any show involving the Summer 
Isles has that potential as 

3404
02:55:08,160 --> 02:55:10,480
well. 
It can reveal more of the world 

3405
02:55:10,480 --> 02:55:13,920
than most perspectives. 
Like any show featuring either 

3406
02:55:13,920 --> 02:55:16,600
Corliss, Valerian or the Summer 
Islanders or both is going to be

3407
02:55:16,600 --> 02:55:19,600
a show that has a lot of 
exploration and a lot of places 

3408
02:55:19,600 --> 02:55:21,840
to go. 
Why not have Corlee's have 

3409
02:55:21,840 --> 02:55:24,840
Summer Islanders on his crew men
with great experience in places 

3410
02:55:24,840 --> 02:55:27,920
he hasn't even been to makes a 
lot of sense to have people with

3411
02:55:27,920 --> 02:55:32,120
that experience amongst your 
your people yeah the if you're 

3412
02:55:32,120 --> 02:55:34,800
if you want experienced seaman 
get the most experienced people 

3413
02:55:34,800 --> 02:55:38,880
in the world makes sense right. 
I would love for this E Snake 

3414
02:55:38,880 --> 02:55:40,240
show to have that. 
We've talked about this. 

3415
02:55:40,240 --> 02:55:42,280
We've used this comparison 
before to have like a Star Trek 

3416
02:55:42,280 --> 02:55:44,320
the Next Generation vibe where 
they just go from place to place

3417
02:55:44,320 --> 02:55:46,440
and getting in adventures and 
exploring these cultures. 

3418
02:55:46,440 --> 02:55:49,960
And yeah, the crew of this ship 
as well, though you could have a

3419
02:55:49,960 --> 02:55:54,560
diverse crew on the sea Snake 
the ship, because it's also the 

3420
02:55:54,560 --> 02:55:58,400
name of the ship where you've 
got Westerosi Summer Islanders, 

3421
02:55:58,400 --> 02:56:01,160
Valentin's, Lyseny, just you 
would have a lot of, you know, a

3422
02:56:01,160 --> 02:56:02,800
melting pot that could just be 
really cool. 

3423
02:56:02,800 --> 02:56:06,800
Variety of stories, a variety of
backgrounds, just lots of 

3424
02:56:06,800 --> 02:56:11,000
options for different stories. 
At first, when Corlise on the TV

3425
02:56:11,000 --> 02:56:13,560
show on House of Dragon was 
black, we wondered if that was 

3426
02:56:13,560 --> 02:56:15,880
maybe a Summer Islander Islands 
heritage thing. 

3427
02:56:16,160 --> 02:56:17,960
They never really explored that,
which is fine. 

3428
02:56:17,960 --> 02:56:20,920
Maybe they will eventually, but 
they might one day, especially 

3429
02:56:20,960 --> 02:56:23,720
if they do the show, they may 
get into that, I think. 

3430
02:56:24,040 --> 02:56:28,840
Technically they said something 
out of world that it precludes 

3431
02:56:28,840 --> 02:56:33,080
that being the case, but I still
think that's my head cannon and 

3432
02:56:33,080 --> 02:56:35,800
I would prefer that. 
And I don't think that some 

3433
02:56:35,960 --> 02:56:40,760
offhand comment from a writer or
whatever necessarily has to mean

3434
02:56:40,920 --> 02:56:43,320
that this show should be 
hamstrung by that. 

3435
02:56:43,320 --> 02:56:46,680
You know what I mean? 
So I, I, I really like the idea 

3436
02:56:46,680 --> 02:56:51,200
that the Valarians who are 
seafaring people married into 

3437
02:56:51,280 --> 02:56:54,240
another seafaring people. 
It makes so much. 

3438
02:56:54,240 --> 02:56:56,800
Sense they're wealthy they'd be 
trade back and forth between the

3439
02:56:56,800 --> 02:57:00,280
cultures yeah I mean and the 
Valarians were the naval leaders

3440
02:57:00,280 --> 02:57:02,800
of the Targaryen vassals or 
whatever. 

3441
02:57:02,800 --> 02:57:04,480
Yeah that's it's a connection 
that makes some sense. 

3442
02:57:04,880 --> 02:57:06,920
So it's possible but definitely 
not established. 

3443
02:57:07,400 --> 02:57:11,720
They flipped Zarozo and Daxus 
actually wrote Zarozo and Davos 

3444
02:57:11,720 --> 02:57:14,200
on in the document here and 
Speaking of seafarers. 

3445
02:57:14,200 --> 02:57:16,600
But yeah he was Carthene in the 
books. 

3446
02:57:16,600 --> 02:57:18,240
They made him a summer Islander 
in the show. 

3447
02:57:18,520 --> 02:57:22,240
They also identified Grey Worm 
as from the summer islands in 

3448
02:57:22,240 --> 02:57:23,920
the books. 
We don't know where Grey Worm is

3449
02:57:23,920 --> 02:57:27,000
from His background is 
specifically not unidentified 

3450
02:57:27,000 --> 02:57:29,760
and George even said I haven't 
had a reason to come up with a 

3451
02:57:29,760 --> 02:57:33,760
back story for him yet but maybe
one day I will so it shouldn't 

3452
02:57:33,760 --> 02:57:36,200
need to be said though that 
planet toast has a wide variety 

3453
02:57:36,200 --> 02:57:39,640
of skin tones and we shouldn't 
just be thinking black must mean

3454
02:57:39,640 --> 02:57:43,080
from the summer Isles. 
But it's a possibility whenever 

3455
02:57:43,080 --> 02:57:45,360
you see that if we don't have an
explicit name if we don't know 

3456
02:57:45,360 --> 02:57:47,640
where they're from. 
It's a valid guess but it's a 

3457
02:57:47,640 --> 02:57:51,240
guess not an automatic because 
there's more possibilities. 

3458
02:57:52,240 --> 02:57:55,000
Sir Tony sled says summer owls 
would be a nice place to hide 

3459
02:57:55,000 --> 02:57:57,080
people like Danny and viserys. 
That would have been an 

3460
02:57:57,080 --> 02:57:59,080
interesting place for them to 
hide rather than an Essos. 

3461
02:57:59,320 --> 02:58:01,760
Yeah. 
I mean, the the the few white 

3462
02:58:01,760 --> 02:58:03,960
people in the summer islands 
might stand out, but to who? 

3463
02:58:04,120 --> 02:58:06,200
Only to other summer islands. 
We're going to do is sail North 

3464
02:58:06,200 --> 02:58:08,000
and tell everyone. 
Yeah, yeah, you. 

3465
02:58:08,000 --> 02:58:11,440
Would have to have a betrayal 
from within, you know, But one 

3466
02:58:11,480 --> 02:58:14,320
day you like, I just really like
that alternate universe idea of 

3467
02:58:14,320 --> 02:58:16,680
like Danny raised down there. 
That would have been cool. 

3468
02:58:16,720 --> 02:58:17,840
Summer Island, OR. 
Marriage you. 

3469
02:58:17,840 --> 02:58:19,040
I don't know, it's just 
interesting. 

3470
02:58:19,240 --> 02:58:20,680
Yeah, it's just. 
Totally makes sense. 

3471
02:58:20,680 --> 02:58:23,520
Yeah, it is like, well, they 
stand out with their silver 

3472
02:58:23,520 --> 02:58:25,560
hair, but they do that anywhere.
Their silver hair and their 

3473
02:58:25,560 --> 02:58:26,920
purple eyes. 
I mean that there's plenty of 

3474
02:58:26,920 --> 02:58:28,840
silver haired, purple eyed 
people in Essos. 

3475
02:58:28,840 --> 02:58:31,240
Maybe that was the thinking to 
to vanish amongst them. 

3476
02:58:31,480 --> 02:58:34,120
But they didn't, Yeah, they 
didn't actually. 

3477
02:58:34,120 --> 02:58:35,440
Hide them? 
Really. 

3478
02:58:35,720 --> 02:58:37,960
No. 
They weren't like in a group of 

3479
02:58:37,960 --> 02:58:40,600
other Valyrian looking people. 
They were by themselves with 

3480
02:58:40,600 --> 02:58:41,960
like Edelerios, you know. 
Yeah. 

3481
02:58:42,920 --> 02:58:44,240
Guilt. 
Gendertaker says African 

3482
02:58:44,240 --> 02:58:47,400
kingdoms did some of the same 
things when colonialism was 

3483
02:58:47,400 --> 02:58:49,000
happening. 
They would sell their enemies to

3484
02:58:49,040 --> 02:58:51,240
European slavery as well or to 
Arab slavery. 

3485
02:58:51,480 --> 02:58:52,960
Yeah. 
So this is a real world thing, 

3486
02:58:53,520 --> 02:58:57,480
getting rid of your getting rid 
of your getting rid of enemies 

3487
02:58:57,480 --> 02:59:01,080
who share your own cultural 
heritage in a, in a really gross

3488
02:59:01,080 --> 02:59:04,240
way by selling them to to 
foreign slavers. 

3489
02:59:04,800 --> 02:59:06,440
But it's a it's it's happened. 
Yeah. 

3490
02:59:06,520 --> 02:59:09,320
It isn't just a, it isn't just 
an American thing, that's for 

3491
02:59:09,320 --> 02:59:11,040
sure. 
Slavery's old and old and old 

3492
02:59:11,040 --> 02:59:12,720
and it gets more and more 
stories. 

3493
02:59:12,720 --> 02:59:16,880
That's just terrifying. 
Lady Bayla says regarding Sam 

3494
02:59:16,880 --> 02:59:20,120
and archery, especially as 
archery's on the Tarly sigil. 

3495
02:59:20,120 --> 02:59:22,080
So having him get good at that 
makes a lot of yeah, that's 

3496
02:59:22,080 --> 02:59:24,040
true. 
Having him get getting into his 

3497
02:59:24,040 --> 02:59:27,320
Huntsman background, his 
Huntsman ancestry. 

3498
02:59:27,720 --> 02:59:28,560
Right. 
Great catch. 

3499
02:59:28,640 --> 02:59:32,000
Very good, very good response. 
From Cyclops is better than 

3500
02:59:32,000 --> 02:59:36,560
Wolverine said well Emma frost 
is better than Jean and Scott my

3501
02:59:36,560 --> 02:59:40,440
response to them was Madeline 
Pryor is better than them all 

3502
02:59:40,440 --> 02:59:44,000
and they agreed so all right 
there's our X-Men chat for y'all

3503
02:59:44,000 --> 02:59:46,600
I cosplayed Maddie, Pryor and 
Jean very well I. 

3504
02:59:46,600 --> 02:59:50,520
Might add that's a good 
compromise right there. 

3505
02:59:50,520 --> 02:59:52,360
See, everyone getting gets 
along. 

3506
02:59:53,560 --> 02:59:57,240
Scattered Minds from the 
Scattered Minds show says. 

3507
02:59:57,240 --> 02:59:58,800
Loving this topic as a black 
fan. 

3508
02:59:58,800 --> 03:00:01,320
This is diversity done well, 
real and natural, not forced. 

3509
03:00:01,480 --> 03:00:03,200
George R Martin is a genius. 
Cool. 

3510
03:00:03,480 --> 03:00:04,520
Glad to hear from you. 
Thanks. 

3511
03:00:04,520 --> 03:00:05,600
Scattered Minds. 
Yeah. 

3512
03:00:05,600 --> 03:00:07,720
I'm always a little nervous when
I'm talking about things like 

3513
03:00:07,720 --> 03:00:08,800
this. 
I'm like, I hope I did this 

3514
03:00:09,000 --> 03:00:10,000
reasonably well. 
I'm for. 

3515
03:00:10,000 --> 03:00:11,800
You're referring to George, not 
me. 

3516
03:00:11,800 --> 03:00:14,920
But you didn't say I did 
anything wrong, so I guess I 

3517
03:00:14,920 --> 03:00:17,400
did. 
OK, trivia answer. 

3518
03:00:17,400 --> 03:00:20,760
Let's give that one. 
In this episode we learn Golden 

3519
03:00:20,760 --> 03:00:23,360
Heart is the second best 
material for Bo's only dragon 

3520
03:00:23,360 --> 03:00:26,720
bone is superior who is the only
person in this series we see use

3521
03:00:26,720 --> 03:00:29,960
a dragon bone Bo AGO. 
Danny's blood rider. 

3522
03:00:29,960 --> 03:00:33,320
He uses it really well. 
He saves her life at least once.

3523
03:00:33,680 --> 03:00:37,080
He shoots Kahala or one of the 
two. 

3524
03:00:37,080 --> 03:00:43,160
One of maybe not Kahala, but one
of the blood riders of of Drogo.

3525
03:00:43,240 --> 03:00:46,120
When Drogo's blood riders fight 
Danny's blood riders, she's 

3526
03:00:46,120 --> 03:00:48,160
almost killed by one of them and
it's AGO who shoots him at the 

3527
03:00:48,160 --> 03:00:50,800
last second. 
So yeah, that AGO is valuable. 

3528
03:00:50,800 --> 03:00:53,480
And that dragon bone bow is a 
gift from her. 

3529
03:00:54,040 --> 03:00:56,960
So he is well equipped. 
I really wonder what his maximum

3530
03:00:56,960 --> 03:00:59,000
range is. 
Want to see him really use that 

3531
03:00:59,000 --> 03:01:01,840
thing to its greatest effect? 
Might be one day. 

3532
03:01:01,840 --> 03:01:04,600
We'll see that. 
Certainly we didn't get much 

3533
03:01:04,600 --> 03:01:07,880
Blood Rider action on the TV 
show, so more of them is to be 

3534
03:01:07,880 --> 03:01:11,200
hoped for, as well as more from 
the Summer Islanders in the 

3535
03:01:11,200 --> 03:01:13,760
books coming forward, going 
forward. 

3536
03:01:15,080 --> 03:01:18,800
Rather, we mentioned a lot of 
episodes that relate to this 

3537
03:01:18,800 --> 03:01:21,240
one. 
We have a Sun Chaser episode. 

3538
03:01:21,240 --> 03:01:23,560
If you want more about 
exploration and more to follow 

3539
03:01:23,560 --> 03:01:24,920
up on that story, check that one
out. 

3540
03:01:25,080 --> 03:01:28,160
Nymeria series, especially the 
second one, is where the Summer 

3541
03:01:28,160 --> 03:01:32,200
Islanders come up in it. 
Our episode on Old Gifts, our 

3542
03:01:32,200 --> 03:01:35,560
episodes, our episodes on 
Valyria touch on a lot of these 

3543
03:01:35,560 --> 03:01:36,400
things. 
We have an episode on the 

3544
03:01:36,400 --> 03:01:39,600
Basilisk Isles. 
We have an episode on Nath, we 

3545
03:01:39,600 --> 03:01:41,920
have an episode on Egg on the 
4th which talks about the Black 

3546
03:01:41,920 --> 03:01:45,560
Pearl, We have multiple episodes
on the 9 Penny Kings where you 

3547
03:01:45,560 --> 03:01:49,000
can hear about the Ebon Prince. 
We have episodes on Lomas 

3548
03:01:49,000 --> 03:01:52,040
Longstrider in the Wonders of 
the World which also touch on a 

3549
03:01:52,040 --> 03:01:54,640
Tall Trees Town and a few other 
things like that. 

3550
03:01:55,440 --> 03:01:57,720
There are certainly more 
episodes that involve Summer 

3551
03:01:57,720 --> 03:02:01,440
Islanders that I didn't mention,
but that is a very good place to

3552
03:02:01,440 --> 03:02:04,160
start that list of 10 or so that
I just gave you. 

3553
03:02:05,000 --> 03:02:07,560
Thanks again to Nina. 
Check out Good Queen Alley for 

3554
03:02:07,560 --> 03:02:11,000
more of her great takes. 
Thanks to Joey Townsend for our 

3555
03:02:11,000 --> 03:02:13,880
great intro music. 
Thanks to Michael Klarfeld for 

3556
03:02:13,880 --> 03:02:16,480
the video intro and the maps you
see behind me. 

3557
03:02:16,760 --> 03:02:20,760
You can find him at KLARADO 
x.de. 

3558
03:02:20,960 --> 03:02:25,680
That's claradox.de. 
On behalf of Ashea, we'll see 

3559
03:02:25,720 --> 03:02:27,600
you next time and you know what 
to do. 

3560
03:02:28,320 --> 03:02:29,480
Valerie Ritas.