1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,920 Now that we're filming, I've made a specific effort to pull 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:09,200 out some of my retro footballs. Guatemala mate, put some respect 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:21,630 on Carlos Ruiz name. You just cannot write scripts 4 00:00:22,150 --> 00:00:27,120 like this. Welcome ladies and gentlemen to 5 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,400 The Final Countdown, a podcast looking back at great finals 6 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,440 within the game of football. I'm Lewis here, my Co host. 7 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,360 Adam, hello there. We have taken a giant leap 8 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,720 forward, not just for mankind. Giant leap for this podcast. 9 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,720 That's right, we are now video content creators. 10 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:41,640 I think that's the official one. 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Wasn't an intentional lamarche. 23 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,360 Hi, welcome to another edition of Between Two Ferns. 24 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,040 Welcome if you are the first time joining us, we like to look 25 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,120 back at Retro Cup finals. We've done World Cups, FA Cups, 26 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,360 we have yet to do League Cups because it's a competition 27 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:21,640 nobody cares about which I'll replay this clip when we 28 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:23,880 eventually. I'm tuned in for that one. 29 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:25,920 We're eventually forced to cover the League Cup. 30 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,000 Football history in nostalgia. There's been a little tag line 31 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,200 absolutely in our rebrand. Yeah, we're basically those two 32 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,280 blokes that are clinging on to the past desperately and don't 33 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:35,760 want to face up to modern football. 34 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:37,440 That's the legacy way of looking at mate. 35 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,640 I think we're also looking at how narratives created the game 36 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:41,600 that we know today. Oh. 37 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:43,640 Look at this. 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We do, but it's amusing. 57 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,920 Talking about amusing things, Aston Villa getting battered I 58 00:02:37,920 --> 00:02:41,000 think is on the on the cards today in the FA Cup final it. 59 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,280 Is is that my segue to the 2015 FA Cup final? 60 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,560 Nicely played. We are in the midst of the 61 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,640 Wenger Out years. Yeah, strange. 62 00:02:49,640 --> 00:02:51,120 And he is. We'll talk a little bit about 63 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,880 Wenger today. He is in an era of kind of 64 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,680 dining out on past glories, but just doing enough, as we'll find 65 00:02:58,680 --> 00:02:59,800 out. Well, this is the thing. 66 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,440 So previous episode we talked about Arsenal's first trophy in 67 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,200 nine years. Yep, they've done back-to-back 68 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,160 FA Cups. Is that really a time to 69 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:08,640 criticize Wenger? I'm just saying. 70 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:12,720 Well, I think that's why. So spoiler for those that don't 71 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,360 remember, he didn't leave until 2018, and he left on his own 72 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:17,760 terms in the end. Yeah. 73 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,600 Within reason, yeah. I mean, there wasn't like, you 74 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,640 know, booze and get out of our club, but there was an element 75 00:03:23,640 --> 00:03:26,880 of people were kind of like, yeah, it's it's the end you. 76 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:28,840 Don't want to be hanging around at the party, do you? 77 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:30,480 Like everything was? Yeah, that's what I mean. 78 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:32,320 Everyone's cleaning up around you and you're kind of like 79 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,240 we've had a great time. It's been a great night. 80 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:35,400 But come on. Arson. 81 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,640 Like the doors that way. Just the cab. 82 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:39,480 Oh, I've got your coat here. Arson. 83 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,560 You're extremely long coat. He's relax your party. 84 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:48,880 What are you smuggling in here? Do you have with the zip, Nish? 85 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,320 That's all we do, Nish. No idea what that's about. 86 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:53,800 You probably need to be around just. 87 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,320 Google Arsene Wenger Rain. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. 88 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,720 So anyway, we have, as you mentioned, Aston Villa in their 89 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,760 first cup final since 2000 and then Arsenal in. 90 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,160 They were defending champions of the FA Cup, as you would have 91 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:07,760 known if you listened in to last week. 92 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,200 So I kind of thought that was interesting, defending the FA 93 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,320 Cup. Is that particularly done? 94 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,040 Not been done very often at all? Yeah, I was just thinking about 95 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:17,120 that. I can't think of many back to 96 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:17,640 backs. No. 97 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,920 So if you go pre war you had like Preston and Huddersfield 98 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,040 winning like nine in a row and all that kind of stuff. 99 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:25,840 Very much of the Real Madrid of the FA Cup. 100 00:04:25,840 --> 00:04:28,400 Yeah, it was a little bit like this is a bit of a mismatch in 101 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,160 terms of quality and whatnot, but if you go post the Second 102 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:32,760 World War, it gets a bit more interesting. 103 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:34,680 So these are the list of the clubs that have done 104 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,720 back-to-back FA Cup finals since 1945. 105 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,120 OK, Newcastle have done it, have they? 106 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,480 Spurs have done it twice. I would have guessed Spurs. 107 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,600 Including the double, first double winning season. 108 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,400 Arsenal have done it, yes, we'll come back to that. 109 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:49,840 Chelsea have done it. Have they? 110 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,440 I wouldn't have guessed Chelsea. And then Arsenal have done it 111 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:56,160 again as a result of today because we're not going to 112 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:00,720 pretend Arsenal kill this final and Villa a little bit despite 113 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,920 the fact they're not really a Hull or a what was the team that 114 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,440 we did that? Oh, Wigan, Wigan who managed to 115 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:07,760 pull back to win? Yeah, yeah, possible. 116 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,360 They they were a little bit of a not really the races. 117 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,080 And, and what I think, I think this is the worst of both worlds 118 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,280 is in you don't get a true underdog story and you don't get 119 00:05:17,280 --> 00:05:19,360 a clash of the Titans. You're kind of stuck with the 120 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,840 team that Arsenal are just likely to be. 121 00:05:21,840 --> 00:05:24,520 I, I think I'm certain, I don't know, I'm certain. 122 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:26,280 Arsenal would have probably beaten Villa twice in the. 123 00:05:26,280 --> 00:05:27,080 League. They did. 124 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:27,880 Yeah. Yeah, very. 125 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,120 So it's just one that I'm, it's just one of those things where 126 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:31,960 you're like, you're a middling Premier League top, so you don't 127 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,400 get this huge underdog. Story, I wonder sometimes that 128 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:38,320 plays against them because they weren't like no chance like a 129 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,480 Wigan, yeah. And so there wasn't that kind of 130 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,280 like, you know, we can do all that stuff with a psychologist 131 00:05:43,280 --> 00:05:45,360 and stuff like that, whereas Villa might have gone. 132 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:47,200 We're not that far behind them so. 133 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,200 Maybe we have a good day and they have a bad day. 134 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,040 And I don't know if it plays as well. 135 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,520 I think an underdog, in a weird way, is actually more likely to 136 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,280 win this kind of game than. Because the players themselves 137 00:05:57,280 --> 00:05:59,960 can tap into a narrative, You can create an app, you can do 138 00:05:59,960 --> 00:06:01,400 the whole game versus Goliath thing. 139 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,160 Whereas when you're in the same division and you're kind of, you 140 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,920 know, mid or floating with Europe, it's kind of like, yeah, 141 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:08,680 like you say, we might be able to do it and. 142 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,720 Then just yeah, it's not, it's not there. 143 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,080 And and as we'll find out, but there is other stories around 144 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,920 this cup final. Arsenal, as we mentioned, were 145 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,040 managed by Arsene Wenger, clinging on, kind of doing 146 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,840 enough. 4th Champions League out in the quarters, return and 147 00:06:22,840 --> 00:06:25,480 rinse and repeat. Villa Do you remember, without 148 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:29,560 glancing at my notes, who was the manager of Aston Villa? 149 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,080 Of course I remember this. It's Tim Sherwood. 150 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,200 Very good. That's why I don't, I said at 151 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,160 the start talking about things that make you smile or whatever 152 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,400 my Segway was. It's not because I have any 153 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,640 gripe against Villa at all, actually quite like Villa as a 154 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,160 club. I just disliked Tim Sherwood so 155 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,600 immensely I think. He's a bit Marmite any. 156 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:46,720 He's a Nov. He's I find him quite funny. 157 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,840 No, he's not self aware enough to be funny. 158 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,400 He might be funny to laugh at, but he isn't in on the joke. 159 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:55,360 He doesn't realise that he's he's just so mere. 160 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,360 I just can't stand him. So you might kind of say, well, 161 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,800 you know, had a Villa get there. What kind of team were they? 162 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,840 So their their front players were, I don't know if they're 163 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,240 formidable or phenomenal, but they're recognizable. 164 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:08,960 Let's go with that. You might recognize their name. 165 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,160 What a compliment. Yeah, AG bong Lahore. 166 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,840 Yes, of course. Who always seemed to come across 167 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:15,360 like he thought he was better than he was. 168 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,560 And still does very much. Yes, he does. 169 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,000 Yeah, he always picking a fight with Gary Neville. 170 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,120 And then we have Jack Greelish. A young Jack. 171 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,000 I would have thought this was before his time. 172 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,040 No, I think this was kind of as he was breaking through him. 173 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:27,840 He must have been 1819 I reckon at this time. 174 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,800 And then Benteke. Christian Christian Christian on 175 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:33,080 his. Day, he could do it. 176 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,360 He's got a good scoring record, him and Lukaku, the two kind of 177 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:36,600 Belgian of. Course you know. 178 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,800 That barreling strikers did did well in the Premier League, but 179 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,640 then Benteke was signed by Liverpool and we've ruined them. 180 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:43,880 They're kind of one of the was he? 181 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,040 I don't remember that. Yeah, Benteke went to the 182 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,560 absolutely under my. Brendan Rodgers basically always 183 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:49,120 a lot. Did he? 184 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,680 No, he did not. He always had a habit of scoring 185 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,200 against Liverpool and Brendan Rodgers disregarded the advice 186 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,560 of the kind of data team at the time that were just being 187 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,520 brought in for Liverpool and he just said no, Benteke is our 188 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,760 man, we need to go and get him. We got him and it did not work. 189 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:04,920 Out like. Paul, Brendan. 190 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,320 Yeah, things. On a side note, have you read 191 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,120 the statement? Oh my God. 192 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,840 What is that about? I tell you what, there should be 193 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,360 a David Brent style life on the road documentary on. 194 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,960 He's meant to be like. Yeah, he is the whole Becoming 195 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,840 Liverpool documentary they did where you walked in, there was a 196 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:22,480 portrait of him in his own house. 197 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,480 That kind of didn't didn't really help things. 198 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,760 And there is a really lovely story behind that photo picture. 199 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:29,880 I choose not to to remember that. 200 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,919 I just like the idea of Brendy walking into his house just 201 00:08:32,919 --> 00:08:37,440 being like another win today, just saluting himself and then 202 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:39,039 carrying on. But anyway, we digress. 203 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,120 Oh yeah, Brendan Rodgers. He's a travelling salesman 204 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:42,080 there. He is, yeah. 205 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:47,000 Who does your tampons? OK, that's done. 206 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,080 That's DRY again. You can use that again. 207 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,600 Fine, seems fine all right. Can I take doesn't so to start 208 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,160 with? Sold to that man. 209 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:56,800 OK, Yeah, sure. Start off like that and then 210 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,240 let's see. Can I ask you something? 211 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:05,000 Who does your tampons? So anyway, back from one manager 212 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:06,800 you don't like to another manager you don't like. 213 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:08,000 Well, do you not like Brendan Rodgers? 214 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:08,800 Would you go that far? No. 215 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,600 No, I wouldn't. I think he's, I think he is 216 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,680 quite fun to mock and there's a lot out there, like the whole, 217 00:09:14,680 --> 00:09:17,880 the whole Richard Gervais, David Brent style of him. 218 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,160 But no, I don't dislike him. He, he actually was the first 219 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:26,200 manager in my lifetime to really bring us kind of so close to the 220 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,720 Premier League. Like we'd had a few shots under 221 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,560 Rafa, but nothing really like this under Rodgers. 222 00:09:31,560 --> 00:09:33,960 We were so, so close. To we had a few shots under 223 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:35,080 Rafa. I mean that was. 224 00:09:35,560 --> 00:09:36,720 That was our problem. Yeah, exactly. 225 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:38,240 Yeah. We'd end up with the season with 226 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,640 four shots on target. I thought, come on Rafa, you got 227 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,600 to be better, be more positive. Brilliant. 228 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,440 So we go from Britain Rogers back to Tim Sherwood, Aston 229 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:49,280 Villa, Arsenal were playing in their record. 230 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,600 This is important, their record, 19th FA Cup final, that is 231 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,360 impressive, surpassing Man United who I think you mentioned 232 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,000 last week with the record holders. 233 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,720 So Arsenal got there again and hold the record. 234 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,520 Arsenal and Villa played as you mentioned earlier, played twice 235 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,440 during the league season. Both games should result in in 236 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,680 Arsenal victories 2 nil and two one yeah. 237 00:10:07,680 --> 00:10:11,600 I mean, we're talking about a solid mid table team against a 238 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:13,720 solid Champions League. Yeah, team, yeah. 239 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,840 Ultimately, FA Cup holders Arsenal entered the competition 240 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:18,800 in a third round, obviously, where they were drawn at home 241 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,840 against fellow top flight team Hull City. 242 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:23,760 Oh, Hull. A repeat. 243 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,360 Trying to, yeah, get their revenge on. 244 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,520 So that's the second time in a row, because if you remember 245 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,960 when we did the Man City, Wigan, Wigan, they faced each other 246 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:32,600 again. Wigan beat them in the in the 247 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,160 following season. In this one. 248 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:39,120 Arsenal just dispatched them obviously two nil in a repeat of 249 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,200 the previous years final 2014 final if you haven't listened to 250 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,200 that one. So Arsenal saw off Hull again 251 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,000 and ended their FA Cup dreams at much earlier stage. 252 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,120 They then went on to beat Brighton and Borough 253 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,800 Middlesbrough. Then they faced Man United away. 254 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,520 Tasty. In a live Monday night game. 255 00:10:55,680 --> 00:10:58,880 Monday, Yeah, in the FA Cup. That is random. 256 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:00,800 Yeah, I bet. Oh, I don't like that. 257 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:02,400 I don't like that. There's something fundamentally 258 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,440 wrong about that. For me, so I mean well then you 259 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,840 would have been in good company with Arsenal fans moaning. 260 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:08,560 Oh, short Cara. About the fact that you'd have 261 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:10,640 to be travelling back late, which I didn't understand 262 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:12,200 because if you go to a midweek game. 263 00:11:12,560 --> 00:11:14,160 You're always. You'd always be travelling back, 264 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,800 but maybe it's the Monday morning, Monday evening thing I. 265 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:18,560 Don't like Mondays? Maybe that's just what they were 266 00:11:18,560 --> 00:11:20,240 singing. Bob Geldof on the train. 267 00:11:21,680 --> 00:11:23,480 Massive Arsenal fan Bob killed off Who knew? 268 00:11:25,560 --> 00:11:28,160 So then Arsenal fans complained about travelling back late, they 269 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,320 found their way past the deteriorating and I mean 270 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,360 historically deteriorating United team. 271 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:36,440 Rooney was still there, he was. De Maria was there and actually 272 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,160 got sent off in this game. Interesting. 273 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:43,480 United took the lead but Arsenal came back to win 21 and Arsenal 274 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,120 got through to the semi final to see as you'd expect to see a 275 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,000 giant in the Wembley semi final reading. 276 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:50,920 Oh, mind you. Right. 277 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:51,800 Well, they're a Premier League team. 278 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,040 Then I was just trying to think. I think as earlier. 279 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:55,840 I think earlier. Exactly. 280 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,880 So part of me was going Steve Sidwell and what was his name? 281 00:11:59,960 --> 00:12:02,240 Massive curly hair. I can't remember as Stephen 282 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:03,640 Hunt. Yeah. 283 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:05,720 Like those kind of names. Did you see that was a bit 284 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,680 earlier? Steve Sidwell did the FA Cup 285 00:12:08,680 --> 00:12:11,520 draw on Monday night, the second round draw which I watched 286 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,320 because our our local team Western is in it for the second 287 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,720 time in their history and they introduced it was Jolene Lescott 288 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,200 and Steve Sidwell. Jolene Lescott's obviously won 289 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,840 the cup final. So the presenter was like Jolene 290 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:27,000 Lescott, 4 cup winner and then Steve Sidwell and this is the 291 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,200 closest he's ever got to the drone. 292 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,080 And I was like what a bit of that that is. 293 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,400 But I hope she knew him because it otherwise it was pretty 294 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:37,880 harsh. Anyway. 295 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,760 So yeah, Reading, we're at Wembley for the semi final. 296 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,840 Arsenal, interestingly, despite them playing against the lower 297 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:45,920 level team, needed extra time to see them. 298 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,120 That's right. Yeah, Won all, took them to 299 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:52,040 extra time and then Arsenal, Sanchez got the winner To see 300 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,960 Arsenal get to Wembley for the second consecutive year. 301 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,520 Aston Villa, this is incredible. I don't. 302 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,680 I couldn't find out how often this had happened because it's 303 00:13:00,680 --> 00:13:04,320 just such a niche bit of info. Villa had the rare opportunity 304 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,240 to play all of their cup ties at home. 305 00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:08,840 Wow, that. Is every single one. 306 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:10,400 That's incredible. Obviously not the semi. 307 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,480 The semi was at Wembley but neutral but. 308 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,400 Yeah, like statistically what a little quirk that is I. 309 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,120 Can't imagine that's where the the people that got to the final 310 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,400 have played. Everyone at home I I did try to 311 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,440 find out, but that's got to be rare. 312 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,400 Yeah, you would have thought so. So they beat, I mean it's not 313 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,800 much of A a challenge if I'm honest. 314 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,160 They beat Blackpool, Bournemouth, Leicester and that 315 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:33,440 was Bournemouth pre Premier League, Leicester who actually 316 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,240 were around about to win Premier League weren't they? 317 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,640 So they were decent. Well, no, that's the thing. 318 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:39,840 They weren't decent. Oh, true, Yeah. 319 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:41,320 No, they just came up. This is what they need. 320 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,280 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we we think about that 321 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,560 classic Leicester team and the couple of years that they had 322 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:48,960 that was brilliant. But yeah, they kind of. 323 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,960 And that was the following year, Yes, that's right, 1516, yeah. 324 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,560 And then W Brom in the quarterfinals to face Liverpool 325 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:00,000 in the semis. Liverpool with Coutinho and Co. 326 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,120 Yeah. Did Walcott score in this game? 327 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,440 I don't know if you've got that information, I've got vague. 328 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:05,560 No you didn't. No. 329 00:14:05,680 --> 00:14:08,280 Coutinho opened the scoring for Liverpool and they looked to 330 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,280 have sent Liverpool to the final before Benteke and Delph 331 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,640 captain. Delph, Fabian Delph, he was. 332 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,080 He was an interesting player that's flowed with the England 333 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:18,640 team for a bit. Obviously, he got signed by Man 334 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:19,840 City. He was strange for that 335 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,120 documentary there, wasn't he? Oh yeah, he was the man. 336 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,440 City documentary. He's like, he's probably the 337 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,320 lower level of the quality of players in that and he was like 338 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,040 ranting at everybody. As if he was. 339 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,600 Bloody messy. He's like, pipe down, Fabian. 340 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,240 Your name's Fabian. No one's going to take you 341 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:36,960 seriously. You're lucky to be here mate, we 342 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,040 all know it. I love it if someone has said 343 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,400 that on the dog anyway. So Fabian Delph and Christian 344 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:45,400 Mensacky turned the game around late to send Villas to the to 345 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:50,520 Wembley for the first time since 2000, which asked to build an 346 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,920 arsenal in the FA Cup final. This is a bizarre little piece 347 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,320 of information. Yeah, trivia. 348 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,680 That's good. I've entirely this competition 349 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:00,600 time. OK, I don't know. 350 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,600 Why should the 2015 FA Cup final just had some competitions 351 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:04,240 attached? OK. 352 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:06,960 Children's television program. This is classic. 353 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,280 Oh, this type of competition. Not competition on the pitch or 354 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:10,800 in the competition. No, just. 355 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,080 Random stuff happening around the FA Cup, right? 356 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,680 OK. The Blue Peter ran a competition 357 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:17,760 to design the mascot for the final. 358 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,320 How've they done that? Blue Peter haven't been relevant 359 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:21,600 for about 20. Years, I think it might have 360 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,280 been because this, we'll get to this in a bit, but this was on 361 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:28,080 the BBC for the first time in Oh, OK, right, which we'll talk 362 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,040 about in a minute. But the winning entry? 363 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,920 Billy spelt like Billy Piper. OK, now you're talking my 364 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:35,200 language. Yeah, it didn't matter till 365 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:35,720 then. Do you want to? 366 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,600 What do you spell like that? Because we want to. 367 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,160 So it wasn't actually to do with Billy Piper. 368 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:47,120 Actually it was to do with the horse that controlled the crowds 369 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,640 in the 1923 I think. It's called the White Horse 370 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:50,840 final. Yeah, and it did. 371 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,360 The circles and the crowd had come onto the pitch and it got 372 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,040 them back. OK, I've always. 373 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:56,520 Had a question about that, if I'm honest. 374 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,960 One horse, right? Yeah, I get it when it's doing 375 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,800 like little trots around the centre circle, but the story is 376 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:04,760 that it was got bigger and bigger circles. 377 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:06,840 That mate, everyone's a sheep at the end of the day once you 378 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,400 start getting herded by. But like if he's over at like 379 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:13,680 right wing and I'm like hundreds of people at left back, we're 380 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,760 not like why aren't we moving horse 100 metres over there? 381 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,200 Like it doesn't make any sense. Look, that horse had a lot going 382 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,240 for it, right Billy? Billy the Stallion. 383 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,920 Yes. So Billy was the inspiration for 384 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,920 the winning, and I thought about showing the picture and mocking 385 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:28,960 it, but Oh well, it was a kid that did it, yeah. 386 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,600 So I thought we'd leave it be. But we're not going to punch 387 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,040 down at the 11 year old that decided to submit it to Blue. 388 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,600 Peter, he's 25, did. He get did he get a Blue Peter 389 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,080 badge? I hope did you? 390 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:39,560 Ever know anyone that had a Blue Peter badge? 391 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,360 I didn't actually. I knew what I went to primary 392 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:42,600 school with somebody that got a Blue Peter. 393 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,120 Really. But what do they do for it? 394 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,800 Well, this is what I don't, I don't quite remember, but it was 395 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,680 a Groupon. It was like 100 people got given 396 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,040 a Blue Peter badge for doing this thing. 397 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:52,160 So I'm like, you haven't earned it really. 398 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,160 No, you got to be solitary and it, you know, appear on the show 399 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:56,000 ideally. Yeah. 400 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:57,120 Yeah. I mean, that's the top level. 401 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,320 Didn't they get, like a gold boat? 402 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,720 That was a gold one, yeah. Was that because if you made it 403 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:03,920 onto the show, you got broken? Yeah, I believe. 404 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:05,640 Peter, Connie, Huck. Now you're taking me back. 405 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:08,680 We've lost it. I'm trying to think of the ones. 406 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:10,520 It wasn't really. All I think of was Richard Bacon 407 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:12,960 in his cocaine shame. Oh yeah, Richard Bacon. 408 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:18,000 He got chucked off anyway, so this is class former England 409 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,440 international Phil Neville. Oh, what's Phil got to say? 410 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,400 One of the judges in the competition. 411 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,839 This gets more and more bizarre. So yeah, I I guess. 412 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,400 But of course, the most vanilla person. 413 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,040 All right, we need next footballer, someone that's 414 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:31,640 willing to go to Blue Peter and judge them. 415 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:33,080 We need children's artwork, yeah. 416 00:17:33,120 --> 00:17:34,920 Phil Neville. Known for his artwork? 417 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:35,720 I don't know all. Right, guys. 418 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,880 So just thanks very much for inviting me on this is this is 419 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:39,800 great. Yeah, Well done. 420 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:41,120 You've got some lovely shading there. 421 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:42,640 Well, see if you can do the quote there, mate. 422 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,560 There we go, Phil Neville. I think the design is great, the 423 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,440 story behind it is even better and I think it's something 424 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,120 everyone's gonna be really impressed with. 425 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,360 It's not a very good Mancunian. Accent Phil Phil Neville I. 426 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,320 Was just gonna say it's the whispering with Phil Neville. 427 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:56,240 He's a very quiet man. He is, although I'm turning a 428 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:57,240 little bit. Brian Clough. 429 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,760 It's not, it's not, it's an A young man. 430 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,440 It's not very Mancunian at all. Actually he's lost it. 431 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,440 So yeah, for reasons passing understanding Phil Levell was 432 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,880 the judge. Maybe he has an art background I 433 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:10,120 don't. Know, maybe he submitted it 434 00:18:10,120 --> 00:18:13,000 under under a pseudonym. Oh, this one's fantastic. 435 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,400 It's from Mr. P Neville. No, no, it's obvious. 436 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:17,960 Phil M. Philly M. 437 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:21,280 Fabian's life is that my long lost brother. 438 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:26,520 So that was the the mascot of the 2015 FA Cup final was Billy 439 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,120 the Horse Strange. Then another competition because 440 00:18:29,120 --> 00:18:32,120 you know, I think the BBC were like any BBC programme want to 441 00:18:32,120 --> 00:18:33,560 run a competition to be the FA Cup final. 442 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:35,440 Sure. And it does actually, when we 443 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,960 talk about the television coverage in a minute, it does 444 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,680 get a little bit like that where they just sent out a memo to 445 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,280 anybody that works for the BBC to take part in the FA Cup final 446 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:46,040 that day. So Songs of Praise, the 447 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,160 Religious Religious television programme, ran a competition to 448 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:53,080 be a part of a 64 person choir to sing Abide with me, Sing 449 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,520 abide with me. When you first mentioned songs 450 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:57,280 praise, you could give me 100 guesses. 451 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,000 I would not have guessed that they would have been. 452 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:00,720 You know what? We need to make church relevant 453 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:02,000 again. Let's get in the FA Cup. 454 00:19:02,120 --> 00:19:04,840 Yeah, it's fantastic. Okay, that makes more sense. 455 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,960 So the 64 fans of each of the clubs who reached the third 456 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:09,840 round. Cool. 457 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:11,520 So that is kind of cool. Yeah. 458 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,200 Of the competition, including a Liverpool fan who survived the 459 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,720 Hillsborough disaster and a 99 year old Newcastle United fan. 460 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:19,240 Wow. Which is pretty cool. 461 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,400 Yeah, that is cool. I mean, they wouldn't like him 462 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,960 up, but it might be her actually. 463 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,120 Yeah, exactly. Yeah, who knows, she might have 464 00:19:26,120 --> 00:19:29,560 been awesome. Or or 99. 465 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,280 Do you know what I mean? You can be awful and everyone 466 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:32,200 will still say you're awesome. Yeah, yeah. 467 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,200 No one's gonna like. Isn't it amazing? 468 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:35,440 Yeah, they've got breath in there. 469 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,080 Can. Stand they can. 470 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,800 They might not have. Been they carried him out. 471 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,960 This was all kind of, it's become clear when talking about 472 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,600 the competition this was all to do with the BBC getting the 473 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,280 rights back. So they did. 474 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,360 I forgot this happened, which shows, if I'm honest, how much I 475 00:19:50,360 --> 00:19:52,920 paid attention to the FA Cup final At this time the BBC 476 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,520 devoted all day coverage. Ah, there we go, back to the 477 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:58,000 glory years. Back to the 80s. 478 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,040 So if you are too young to remember this, and you are Lou, 479 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,240 but somehow you remember anyway, Yeah, Lewis was alive in the 480 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,400 80s, yet he wasn't. Yeah, yeah. 481 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,760 I mean, I was born halfway through 89, so that's six months 482 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,880 of being in the 80s, really. You remember things that 483 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,800 happened in the early 80s Yeah, I do remember Brian Robson's 484 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:16,880 record scoring goal and not 82 World Cup you like. 485 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:18,320 Yeah, I remember it well. I. 486 00:20:18,360 --> 00:20:22,800 Remember where I was? You have questions to answer, 487 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,520 you really do. So anyway, the BBC devoted a 488 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,120 whole day of programming to the final. 489 00:20:27,120 --> 00:20:30,520 So that happened in the 80s when the cup final was massive and it 490 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,240 was hilarious in a way, but looking it was actually charming 491 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,360 as a kid because you'd get up, you'd have your breakfast and 492 00:20:35,360 --> 00:20:38,000 from like 9:00 in the morning. Amazing. 493 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,840 It was the BBC cheat us a little bit in 2015, which I'll come 494 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,800 back to, but in those days it was like the build up. 495 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,120 They follow the the players, they follow the players coming 496 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:51,040 out of the hotel, they follow the players getting on the bus. 497 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,200 They'd have a camera on the bus. On the bus, yeah, I don't 498 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:54,720 remember that. That's Oh yeah, that was 499 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,280 Breakthrough. That was, that was access. 500 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,720 They had, you know, arriving at Wembley, they had them getting, 501 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,000 you know, off everything. The build up was true build up 502 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,560 and it was the BBC. So no adverts. 503 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,080 Yes, it was. Relentless build up. 504 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,920 So if you didn't care about Coventry versus Tottenham in 87 505 00:21:11,120 --> 00:21:13,920 at 9:00 on the Saturday, you bloody did by 3:00. 506 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:15,720 Yeah, sure, I'm emotionally invested now. 507 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,840 That kit man's been through hell and back to get these boots 508 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,880 shine. Yeah, they tell the story of 509 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:22,120 everybody. The Gravesman. 510 00:21:22,120 --> 00:21:23,200 The Kick. Of the tea lady. 511 00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:24,680 Yeah, you know. Oh, well, good. 512 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:25,760 Deirdre. Lovely though. 513 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,360 She's been there 60 years. Who was it United had someone 514 00:21:28,360 --> 00:21:30,520 that worked there for? She's famous, but not famous 515 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:31,400 enough that I remember. Her. 516 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:32,320 She's not the tea lady though. Oh. 517 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,920 Is she not? Is she maybe we're not thinking 518 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,080 of the same person. I feel like it's one of those 519 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:39,840 things that folks. She died recently, didn't she? 520 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,520 There was a funeral and all the all the players and stuff from 521 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,040 that era came. Back they did, yeah. 522 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,040 Some time later. Yeah, so you were right. 523 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,840 It's not the tea lady. Cath Phipps passed away in 524 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,320 December 2024, the age of 85. So she'd worked there for 55 525 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,480 years as a receptionist or switchboard operator. 526 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,200 So amazing so. Yeah, I mean she would have got 527 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,080 like a three hour documentary. Can you imagine the story she 528 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:01,440 know? Yeah. 529 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,440 I wish she'd done a memoir. I can think of the story she 530 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:05,240 knows. Incredible. 531 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,480 That'll be amazing. Actually, I think there's a 532 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,760 You've just reminded me. I'm pretty sure there's a story 533 00:22:10,120 --> 00:22:12,200 about it, might have been, Ferguson asked her. 534 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,040 Or someone asked her, when are you going to write your book? 535 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,360 And she just said, Oh no, that's not what we do. 536 00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:18,360 That's right. Yeah. 537 00:22:18,360 --> 00:22:19,640 Oh, incredible. That's cool. 538 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:20,840 They don't make it what they. Used to do. 539 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,320 They don't. No, no, they well played. 540 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,720 They'd be cashing in nowadays. OK, fine. 541 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,680 So the BBC developed a whole day of programming, but it revived 542 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,200 the tradition in the sense that was FA Cup themed themed 543 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:32,920 programming from 9:00 in the morning. 544 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,680 What does that mean? But let me tell you, special 545 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,640 editions of Top of the Pops 2 Saturday Kitchen. 546 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:40,960 What? Pointless. 547 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,000 Oh. No, the whole coverage is 548 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,160 pointless. If you're not going to do it 549 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,560 properly, don't do it. All I mean, what does that look 550 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:47,480 like? Saturday kitchen? 551 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,360 FA Cup top. Of the pops, I can understand 552 00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:51,280 you. You get Keegan back in, wouldn't 553 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:51,760 you? Come on. 554 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,040 Son guarantee all that was is they just played every FA Cup. 555 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,200 Song every cup, yeah. That'll be what that was. 556 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,080 So that's easy programming. But Saturday Kitchen, What's 557 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:01,480 that? What are they cooking? 558 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:02,760 Yeah. It's not like they're just going 559 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:04,400 to go right. We need to replicate a burger 560 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,760 van. Let's just make sure we got 99. 561 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,840 Pence Yeah, this is like the pies, Yeah. 562 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,280 Selling at Wembley later today. So I you kind of cheated us 563 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:13,480 there. BBC If you're going to do it, 564 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,720 commit to it, which is why I think it probably doesn't 565 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,000 happen. I mean, they've got it now. 566 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:18,920 Oh, have they got it now? Yeah, they've still got it, but 567 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:20,280 yeah, they don't do the all day thing. 568 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:21,280 No, it's a. It's a bit. 569 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:23,800 You can't pretend to do something and then. 570 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:25,320 Also, you're flogging a dead horse. 571 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,560 Like as much as we want and we joke about it, but we want the 572 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,680 FA Cup to be what it used to be. It just isn't. 573 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,360 It never will be, it never will be. 574 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:33,720 Now, with the Champions League in the Premier League what it 575 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,120 is, the FA Cup will always be a distant third place to domestic 576 00:23:37,120 --> 00:23:39,800 fans. So last quote on or not quote, 577 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,240 the last fact on that whole thing before we get to the match 578 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,680 is that those special editions of the BBC programme combined 579 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,720 with the 50 greatest FA Cup moments, which frankly sounds 580 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,480 bloody or awesome. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 581 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,840 But ultimately just another the rerun of I don't know how much 582 00:23:54,120 --> 00:23:56,000 new television was actually broadcast. 583 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,040 No, no. What was incredible about that 584 00:23:58,080 --> 00:23:59,880 is it was a 515 kickoff. Wow. 585 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,080 So they started 30. It's not even 3:00. 586 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,440 That's incredible mate. And then 515. 587 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,040 The game finished around like 738 and then the highlights were 588 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,320 on at 10. I mean, again, if you haven't 589 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,240 tuned in for the actual FA Cup final, you're not going to be 590 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:14,800 bothered about the highlights an hour and a half. 591 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:15,400 Right. Exactly. 592 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:16,320 Yeah. It's not going to work. 593 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:20,000 It's not going to work at all. Anyway, after all of that, we'll 594 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,520 get to the match itself. Is Gascoyne going to have a 595 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:23,440 crack? Yes. 596 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:33,960 You know, brilliant. That is Schoolboy's hamster. 597 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,000 OK, so despite the final result, which let's just Fast forward, 598 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,000 Arsenal win this four nil. Yeah, so you kind of look at it 599 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,200 and going to go, wow, they smashed it. 600 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,520 What a non game. Actually, the first half wasn't 601 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:45,480 like that at all. Is that right? 602 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:46,760 Yeah. And it's a bit strange because 603 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,960 Villa were actually very much in the game for the 1st 39 minutes 604 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,440 and 52 seconds. Right, OK. 605 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,520 Benteke and Grealish were dangerous. 606 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,080 They threatened, they both had chances. 607 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,520 Mertesacker blocking Benteke's shot for Arsenal. 608 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,840 Carzola, your favorite? Yes, he was dominant, creating 609 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,240 chances for Theo Walcott, which we'll come back to, and Aaron 610 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,920 Ramsey, was he? Oh God, celebrity stuck in the 611 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,280 cover. I didn't actually check that 612 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,360 anyone died after this game. Well, they must have died. 613 00:25:10,360 --> 00:25:10,960 They. Definitely did. 614 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,200 Of course they did. So yeah, both teams were kind 615 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,600 of, it was a pretty open first half and if you, you know, watch 616 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,760 back on it or read back on it, it, it was quite exciting as a 617 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,400 game which you know, the end result you kind of think, well, 618 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,320 it wouldn't have been like that at all, but it actually was. 619 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,600 Villa were in it midway through the first half. 620 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,600 Ozil cross to Walcott who 6 yards out was denied by 621 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,360 brilliant sliding tackle from Richardson. 622 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,120 Aaron Ramsey had the Arsenal fans on their feet. 623 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,200 This always reminds me of Raheem Sterling when I tell this kind 624 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,600 of stuff. I know what you wanna say. 625 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,360 Fake goal. Yeah, the goal against. 626 00:25:40,360 --> 00:25:41,640 Well, the non goal against. Italy. 627 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,680 Italy, that was. Still to this day, I can picture 628 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,520 it going in the now. I don't know, You know, like the 629 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:46,560 Mandela. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 630 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,280 I do not know how it wasn't a goal. 631 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,280 It was unbelievable. So the Arsenal fans who at the 632 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,000 other end had them, they're on their feet. 633 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,400 Ramsey getting on the end of Ozil cross but his shot actually 634 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,960 hit the side netting. It is a bit deceiving actually. 635 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,160 So if you were the wrong side of it, other than the players 636 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,240 reaction, you'd be like like you can definitely see it. 637 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,360 I wonder how long it takes. What for the news to come? 638 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,120 If you go up celebrating because you, you go a bit mad. 639 00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:13,240 We celebrate for about 25 seconds that sterling goal, I 640 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,040 swear. And then it was like, hold on. 641 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,680 Why is it What? That's a goal kick. 642 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:17,600 What's? What's happened? 643 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:18,240 What's happened? Yeah. 644 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,680 What did I miss? When I turned around for only 645 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,200 the fourth time since the turn of the century, I looked this 646 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:24,480 up. The final looked destined to be 647 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,960 goalless at half time. Only the 4th time. 648 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,440 Yeah, which I mean it's only 1615 years. 649 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:34,320 So at 15 finals, 4 times it got, which I think the FA Cup finals 650 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,720 got a bit of a reputation since the turn of the century for 651 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,320 being a bit dour. Yeah, exactly. 652 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,120 Yeah, there was always, generally always a goal. 653 00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:41,680 Yeah, that, that's what I mean. It's interesting. 654 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,120 So I wouldn't have with the eye test, I wouldn't have agreed 655 00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:47,720 with that stat in terms of we talk about FA Cups in 656 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,640 particular, but most cup finals teams tend to be cagey. 657 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,080 They tend not want to lose it rather than go and win it. 658 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:54,640 Yeah, true. So it is surprising that the 659 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,280 most of the time or 2/3 of the time there is a goal in the 660 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:57,920 first half. Yeah. 661 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,800 I'm surprised by that stat. I mean, there nearly wasn't, but 662 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,440 the final destined to be goalless until. 663 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,200 Let me see if you get this reference Until Sven's favorite 664 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:10,200 son to ignore change things. Theo Walcott, come with me. 665 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,880 Come on, come on, come on. Experiencing. 666 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:12,880 Come on the trip, you'll love it. 667 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,680 Why are you bringing your football boots? 668 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,040 Come on. It's his work experience. 669 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,400 You got your Bosch bag last night. 670 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:20,200 That's good. Yeah. 671 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:21,600 Don't don't do something. Boots. 672 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:23,720 Didn't they do them in kids sizes? 673 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,440 You got notepad, maybe some colouring, some colouring books. 674 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:27,960 You got a letter from your parents letting you on. 675 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,000 We referenced of course. Is it 2006? 676 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,280 I think yes. Sven brought a 17 year old Theo 677 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,200 Walcott on the the World Cup. Still at Southampton at the 678 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:38,920 time, right? Yeah. 679 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,120 He was like in division club. I don't even think they were 680 00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:42,280 Premier League. No, they were championship, 681 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:42,720 weren't they? Yeah. 682 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,040 Yeah. But he was exciting. 683 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:45,800 But it was someone else. Is it? 684 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,120 Who kicks off? Oh, Defoe. 685 00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:49,520 Defoe. Jermaine Defoe still to this day 686 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,280 is not happy about the fact that he got left. 687 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:52,800 Out and you completely understand it. 688 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,480 Did you look back and you go, God, I was denied by a guy who 689 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:56,760 didn't get a minute on the pitch? 690 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,160 Yeah. And Defoe was a very consistent 691 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:00,320 Premier, Premier League goal scorer. 692 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,760 Like if it was a good striker and to miss out on, yeah, that 693 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:04,880 is bad. That's really bad. 694 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,640 I'm not sure if I agree with Jermaine that England won the 695 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,040 World Cup if he was there, but. I'm not entirely sure he's made 696 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,800 that made that claim, but we'll go with. 697 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,320 This if you're watching. Jermaine, he said it, not me. 698 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,080 So with 5 minutes and a half remaining, Arsenal took the lead 699 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,360 through Theo Walcott, the Monreal cut. 700 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:22,640 Is it Monreal? Yeah, yeah. 701 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,560 Monreal across from the left hand side of the pitch found 702 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,080 Alexis Sanchez who headed it back across goal and Walcott 703 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,160 running in a great, great volley, actually a net Bulger. 704 00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:34,480 Oh yes, we love a bulge. We love a bulge in this podcast. 705 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,160 OK. Keep it family friendly. 706 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,960 That'll be on TikTok. Got a podcast? 707 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,520 Oh my Lord. The filth at the final countdown 708 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,480 we're talking about. Bulges everywhere. 709 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,480 Just to clarify, when a ball bounces before you hit, it's a 710 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:51,760 half volley. It's not a volley is. 711 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,840 It no, no, you can't hit it on a volley Is Paul skulls against 712 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,680 Aston Villa? On the fall, yeah, yeah, 713 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,240 absolutely. So the half volley, the Guardian 714 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,360 write ups and the BBC write ups of this. 715 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,160 They're wrong. They're simply wrong. 716 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,440 You've missed and I expect half. I expect more from my 717 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:11,200 journalistic integrity here. So Walcott fires the ball in 40 718 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,240 minutes, gone. So it kind of changed the game a 719 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:15,800 little bit, which we'll come back to, but I thought it might 720 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,720 be interesting to segue slightly Walcott's career. 721 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,160 Let's just 30 seconds reflection. 722 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,200 Was it a success or did he promise much and not deliver? 723 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,480 Let me just give you stats. What you think? 724 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,480 Arsenal 397 appearances, 108 goals. 725 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,160 Also obviously played for Everton and Southampton. 726 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,400 He was on loan then went back to Southampton permanently. 727 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,400 He played 47 times for England, scoring eight goals. 728 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,640 I think he is undoubtedly a successful footballer. 729 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,160 That's true. I think Sven going back to that 730 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,200 point, almost cursed him by making us kind of believe is 731 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,600 this guy going to be the next big thing, the next Wayne 732 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,720 Rooney, what have you, because of of basically putting him on a 733 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,880 pedestal so young. Any other player that has that 734 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,960 like a one in four goals ratio for Arsenal, not bad, especially 735 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,440 because the whole thing about Walcott the time and was he 736 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,880 wanted to play up front like Henry and was often on the right 737 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,400 hand side. Yeah, yeah, as a winger. 738 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,480 So one in 4 is pretty good. One in five for England in a not 739 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,280 great England set up. I actually pretty poor, period. 740 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,680 Yeah, I think Walcott has had a fine career. 741 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,960 Is he one of the greats? Absolutely not. 742 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,640 But I don't. I think if he hadn't been 743 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,920 poisoned or given such a heavy kind of expectation from his 744 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,800 teenage years, I think most of us go, yeah, he was a good 745 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,800 player, like Jermaine Defoe. I think most of us would go, 746 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:25,920 yeah, he's had a really good career. 747 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,280 He was a good player. Walcott, do you remember? 748 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,160 He was really quick. I think good he's he was a 749 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,960 solid, good top level player I think. 750 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:33,960 He's a good score player for Arsenal. 751 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,280 What a great compliment. That isn't a Dick, that is just. 752 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,240 Yeah, and they and they won. He won trophies. 753 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,840 It's not like he went without his success. 754 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,200 It was minor success, but you know, they won the league or 755 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,320 Champions League. But it also made me think and I 756 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,400 think of people like Michael Owen, in particular Darius for 757 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,120 Sale. People on the hall. 758 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,240 People where their main attribute is speed. 759 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,120 Sometimes you kind. Of a little bit like well calm 760 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,240 down a bit he's quick, but he won't always be quick yeah yeah 761 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,800 you obviously got someone like Messi who was quick but he was 762 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,520 also unbelievably skilful yeah yeah whereas when the players 763 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:09,120 main thing is speed I'm I think I'm a little bit more yeah but 764 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,400 it won't it won't stay I agree but also. 765 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,440 Watching a player who's really quick, there's just something 766 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,840 calm about where you are, just like you're instantly riveted, 767 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,440 You're instantly on the edge. You see, like, this player is 768 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,120 amazing. It's really easy to come and get 769 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,360 carried away with a player that is like rapid. 770 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:26,760 So I think it is one of these things as well. 771 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,440 You have to like you say, you have to kind of calm yourself 772 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,720 down and go, yeah, they might be the next trying to give a really 773 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,400 quick good player the next Enri or whatever. 774 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,880 But they also might be a Dama Traore who's really quick but 775 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,360 doesn't have any. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 776 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,880 And the long? Standing joke we have about 777 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,680 Darius Purcell is it came from a reality of watching him. 778 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,600 Neither of us really know a lot about him from club and we watch 779 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,640 him for England ago and we would genuinely say flip me. 780 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,680 He's fast, he's quick. Have you seen this guy? 781 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,960 He's rapping, but it's really all we ever said about. 782 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,840 Him. Yeah, exactly, Less said. 783 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,640 About his penalty taking the bat, Yeah, sorry, Darius. 784 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,120 Anyway, back to the final. So the goal changed the face of 785 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:01,960 the game. Villa went into halftime knowing 786 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,200 they now have to chase, which they're 5 minutes away from. 787 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,520 Not feeling that way. Arsenal went in knowing they had 788 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,160 the breakthrough in a tight game and the next score. 789 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,880 I miss the most obvious thing in the world punditry to say next 790 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,760 goal is important, next goal is. Important Next. 791 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,760 Hour is important, that's more cricket things but so the next 792 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,280 score would be crucial and ultimately we didn't have to 793 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,040 wait long. 5 minutes after the restart, one of the great 794 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,320 Wembley goals, and if you remember this, Alexis Sanchez 795 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:28,040 picking the ball up outside the box, 27 meters out apparently, 796 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,440 and he absolutely smashed it into the middle of the goal. 797 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:33,640 But the roof of the net. Roof. 798 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,000 Yeah. Is it like a riser? 799 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,040 From memory riser and it kind of moves. 800 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,720 In the air, which deceives the keeper. 801 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:43,160 The keeper kind of looks good diving, but ultimately he's gone 802 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:44,600 over his head in the middle of the goal. 803 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,000 But I think it's just the speed on it. 804 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,640 But it was a brilliant goal. Sanchez can hit him from here. 805 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:54,520 My word, he's hit that one and it's totally ripped it past Shay 806 00:32:54,520 --> 00:33:00,520 Gibbon, Alexis Sanchez at Wembley again. 807 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,640 In a way it was the killer blow. Arsenal, they wouldn't let the 808 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,040 lead slip the way they were set up. 809 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,960 Villa played like they knew it. Yeah, it's a bit strange really. 810 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,760 From that point on, from what I can see, really only Grealish 811 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,760 look like he thought it was still a match. 812 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,760 Yeah, well the the naivety of. Youth, he still thinks he can 813 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,280 change the game. It's like that ain't going to 814 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,360 happen, mate. So yeah, Arsenal, they wouldn't. 815 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,480 Let the lead slip. Sanchez had a second disallowed, 816 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,200 his 2nd disallowed 5 minutes later for offside and before 817 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,680 Carzola's lashing shot forced the corner in the 62nd minute, 818 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,680 Mertesacker rose highest at Arsenal's third and the final 819 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,440 was essentially over with 28 minutes to go. 820 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,880 Yeah, and. I love Mertzacker. 821 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,480 Actually. He's one of these players I've 822 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,920 got a soft spot for, and especially in one of the FA Cups 823 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,240 that we're going to cover in the future. 824 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,200 There's a great story of Permark Mertzacker's kind of redemption 825 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,120 back to 2015, even when the. Brilliant Walcott was replaced 826 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,200 by Olivier Giroud. Arsenal continued to push 827 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,200 forward in the third minute of second-half stoppage time. 828 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,240 Oxlade Chamberlain's pass fan Giroud, who flipped the ball 829 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,200 into the Aston Villa goal to make it 4 nil to Arsenal. 830 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:19,199 For Giroud here, it's four. Well, that does wrap it up. 831 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:26,600 Three nil at Villa Park, 5 nil at Arsenal Emirates Stadium and 832 00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:30,719 four nil now here at Wembley. In winning their 12th FA Cup, 833 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,440 they became the most successful team in the competition's 834 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:34,639 history. And when you think about the 835 00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:36,320 2000s? And the FA Cup, you just think 836 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,080 of Arsenal, like, and the Ashley Cole link of it all, like with 837 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,560 him and Chelsea and Arsenal you just think of yeah I, I think of 838 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,560 the FA Cup as Arsene Wenger's like defining even though he'd 839 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,400 won a double and he'd won the league, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah 840 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,080 I. Weirdly, I think. 841 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,600 I think of the FA Cup wins before I think of his invincible 842 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,280 season and, and that might just be me, but it might also be 843 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,680 recency bias because he. He he won it three times in the 844 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,840 2010, the two that we've covered. 845 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,120 And there's one still to come, which again, kind of held off 846 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,400 the, the dogs barking for his head to roll. 847 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:08,680 I've mixed metaphors all over the shop there. 848 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,120 It's like a Cinderella story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 849 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,920 I came out with the door this. Morning it was dogs barking for 850 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,840 my head to roll. It's awful. 851 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,360 Is it a Monday? Love, love. 852 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,800 There's some dogs barking for my What do they want my head to 853 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:26,120 roll? I don't know. 854 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,880 Anyway, with that we go to extra time. 855 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:37,560 Well, you have just witnessed 90 of the most gripping minutes of 856 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,920 European football you'll ever, ever see. 857 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,960 But the good news is there's more to come. 858 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,960 This was the 6th FA Cup win for Arsene Wenger for Arsenal, 859 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,360 putting him in joint first place for wins for Arsenal with George 860 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,000 Ramsey. I assume that's an older. 861 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,480 Manager, I don't really remember is yeah, very much so. 862 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,720 From the 20s and 30s who won it 6 times? 863 00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:02,720 FA Cup for Arsenal. So Wenger is up there now as the 864 00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:05,920 joint first FA Cup wins for Arsenal Football Club. 865 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:07,960 Both. Tim Sherwood we've barely 866 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,080 mentioned. Yeah, we have. 867 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,040 That's true. I mean, he's a he's a comedy 868 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,000 character, but ultimately he in a way, the fact we've mentioned 869 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,200 him so little is the fact he had very little impact on the day he 870 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,440 every job he. Got he was over his head. 871 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,320 I don't understand why people like I think of his Tottenham 872 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,200 era particularly. Yeah, he started talking. 873 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,280 About his like win. Percentage being the best 874 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,200 Tottenham manager, it's kind of like when you're having the 875 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,800 clutch at straws like that, like the football's awful, He's not 876 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,160 getting that. It's a bit like Anj. 877 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,480 Yeah, Rafa in the back in the day, like when managers even 878 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,560 Marino a little bit when managers come out and start 879 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,840 quoting their stats. Yeah, it reeks of desperation, 880 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,480 absolutely. Like you've taken time out or 881 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,160 someone's time out of the club. Yeah. 882 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,640 Can you arm me with some stats to defend myself? 883 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:49,280 It's like that. It's ugly. 884 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:50,160 It's ugly. It. 885 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,600 Is yeah, yeah. Tim Sherwood. 886 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,640 He's a great player. Like an amazing captain for that 887 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,560 Blackburn, yeah, title winning team, yeah. 888 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,040 But as a manager I just thought he was constantly out of his 889 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,640 depth and just, well, the fact he isn't in work now. 890 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,960 Having had two 2 high profile jobs and ultimately failing at 891 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,800 both, absolutely. It's a little bit kind of like I 892 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,800 think people look at him and go, yeah, he ain't got it. 893 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,520 Like he didn't do anything with either. 894 00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:12,920 So anyway, Tim Sherwood and captain Fabindelf can see that 895 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,560 Arsenal were too good for Villa, which is like, no kidding. 896 00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:18,240 Sherwood's quote. I can't make any excuses for 897 00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:19,880 that today. Arsenal was simply too good for 898 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,440 us. We couldn't impose on ourselves 899 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,400 on them or nullify what they had. 900 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,160 I mean. It's great humility from the 901 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,200 both of them, from Delph and like Sherwood to admit that. 902 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,680 But this ties into what you were saying about like once they go 2 903 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,120 nil down, there's no fight in them. 904 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,880 There's no underdog story, there's no we can mount a 905 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,800 comeback. It is like they just look around 906 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,200 like a Premier League game going, yeah, we're probably 907 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:42,680 going to lose this one and they're just better than us. 908 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,080 It's like you don't want to admit that. 909 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,720 Like I I kind of admire it. Like you say at the end of a 910 00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:48,360 four nil dropping, you don't really have a choice. 911 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,920 But it does make me think like on the pitch, was it like when 912 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,200 we were holding out a nil nil, we almost got to the first half 913 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,320 and then that sucker punch of the second at the start of the 914 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,080 second-half? Yeah, well, two sucker punches. 915 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,600 And, you know, define the game really like the third and the 916 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:01,880 fourth are kind of like the game's done. 917 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,600 Yeah. The the Walcott goal and the 918 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,720 Sanchez goal really are the story of how Arsenal won this 919 00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:07,120 game. Yeah. 920 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:08,640 Score. I mean, talk about scoring at 921 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,840 the right time. Like, you know, if England, if 922 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,160 Luke Shaw scored at the wrong time, we always find a way back 923 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,560 there. You know, the the two goals for 924 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,400 us or either side of halftime. It's just like any plans that 925 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,240 the manager would have been making for halftime. 926 00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:24,840 This is what we're going to do. This is what we're going to say. 927 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,200 This is how we're going to and then you do it anyway. 928 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,440 And 5 minutes later the games changed completely. 929 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,120 And like Fricks it like what a waste of time that all was. 930 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,240 And so yeah, no way back at all on Arsenal. 931 00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:37,200 This is funny. On Arsenal's victory parade 932 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,800 after winning the final, Jack Wilshire LED fans in a chant 933 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,160 calling local rivals. Tottenham asked for shit. 934 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,640 The thing I love about that chant, I love that Wilshire did 935 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,160 that. Tottenham got nothing to do with 936 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:49,760 this, though. But always, always trying. 937 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,800 But for those who don't know, the chant is what do we think of 938 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:53,640 Tottenham? Shit. 939 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:54,920 What do we think of shit Tottenham? 940 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,320 Yeah, it's it's the least inventive chant in the world, 941 00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,480 but it's just brilliant. It's like she'll just slag off 942 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:00,760 our rivals. Sure, why not? 943 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:02,400 What's brilliant about this having? 944 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,520 Previously been warned after a similar chat in the previous 945 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,480 season's victory parade election. 946 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,480 Bullshit. 'S like, I'll roll it back, I'll 947 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:11,640 do it again. So good. 948 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,800 The FA charged him with misconduct. 949 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,120 Oh no, he admitted the charge. It's on. 950 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:20,200 TV it was fine, 40 grand. It was severely warned. 951 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,000 Not just warned, severely warned. 952 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,480 Oh dear, Oh dear as. To his future conduct. 40 grand. 953 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:26,680 He found that down the back of the sofa. 954 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,280 Yeah, exactly. I bet if you'd said him before 955 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,120 he got on the mic, it's gonna cost you 40 grand to see this. 956 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:32,320 You'd be like, all right, yeah, sure. 957 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:33,360 Take my money. Brilliant. 958 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,680 Following a change in. UEFA rules This was the first 959 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,160 season where runners up in cup competitions did not enter the 960 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,320 Europa League, so this is unfortunately Villa. 961 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,800 Don't get to benefit like hold it or almost did Exactly. 962 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,840 In fairness, I. Think the rules right because 963 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,360 what happens is the place gets given to the next lowest in the 964 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,240 league. I think it's right in terms of 965 00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:51,440 merit. But it doesn't give as many 966 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,360 fairy tale stories of no clubs getting into Europe. 967 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,760 Yeah, absolutely. So yeah, Arsenal would already 968 00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,480 qualify for the Trans League by finishing third. 969 00:39:59,720 --> 00:40:01,640 Big big season for them, finishing third and so forth. 970 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,640 The remaining Europa League place went to Southampton as the 971 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,520 highest placed Premier League team that had not qualified for 972 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,960 any other European competition. Wow, I don't remember 973 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,960 Southampton in Europe. I'm just trying to remember who 974 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,600 would know? It what was it Poch? 975 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,560 Was Poch in charge? No, I remember this. 976 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,120 So it wasn't watch, you know, he'd left the season before. 977 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,440 It's Ronald Cuman before he went over to manage Everton. 978 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:21,960 Oh yeah, of course. So he. 979 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:23,520 Didn't did a decent enough. He did right. 980 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,880 So yeah, he did he. Was awful at Everton. 981 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,400 Yeah, yeah, it's just another. Everton. 982 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,640 They got a way of making promising managers look absolute 983 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:32,880 bollocks. They really do. 984 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,920 Roberto Martinez. Yeah, it's really weird. 985 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,160 Yeah, I don't know what it is about Everton. 986 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:38,400 It's just a play. Just stick to more. 987 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,200 He's just. Do what you know. 988 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:41,880 Yeah, it's a worry when he stops. 989 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,320 It's like, where are we going to get anyone from anyway? 990 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,800 So just to finally sign off the 2015 Wenger survived another 991 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,200 season. The kind of people you know, the 992 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,280 the dogs that were barking for his head. 993 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,720 They they, I've actually written they got the monkey off his 994 00:40:56,720 --> 00:40:58,240 back. So the the dogs that were 995 00:40:58,240 --> 00:40:59,960 barking for his head to get the monkey off his back. 996 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,400 That's why people. Tune into us Follow away with 997 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,440 words following another show. Mediocre. 998 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,000 Showing that we're not mediocre showing, but no progress showing 999 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,320 in the league and Champions League went out in the quarters 1000 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:14,880 again. He would eventually, as we 1001 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,840 started, he would eventually leave on his own terms in 2018 1002 00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,240 and he would have one more trophy before then, but we will 1003 00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:24,360 get to that. What a cliffhanger. 1004 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,400 I'm going to call that already. I don't know if it's me or you 1005 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,000 covering it, but it's the Mertesacker final and I love it. 1006 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,400 There's a great story with him, but hopefully that is 1007 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,600 titillating and tantalising You to join us next episode as we 1008 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,920 listen to the 2016 FA Cup final.