1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:05,240 If you could pick one sponsor, our first sponsor, which one 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:06,440 would you like to get the kickback from? 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:08,480 A coffee company? A mattress company. 4 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,080 Crown paints. One of the best. 5 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:22,240 What you just cannot? Write scripts. 6 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,920 Like this? Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, 7 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:27,840 to the Final Countdown, the podcast looking back at great 8 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:29,240 finals within the game of football. 9 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,120 I'm Lewis here, my Co host Adam, hello there. 10 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,760 And I feel like we're on a roll now, the FA Cup, modern times. 11 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:38,320 I feel steeped in that kind of nostalgia and in that I think as 12 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,240 its recent history. I don't know if you feel the 13 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:41,760 same. I feel like this is a time 14 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,560 period that I don't know. Where was your relationship with 15 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:46,800 football in kind of the late 2010, yeah. 16 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:48,520 It's a bit weird, isn't it? Because it's one of those times 17 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:49,800 where it feels like it was yesterday. 18 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:51,720 Yeah, but actually it's nearly 10 years. 19 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:52,480 Ago. Yeah, exactly. 20 00:00:52,480 --> 00:00:54,800 It's frightening. I mean, I did fall out of love a 21 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,040 little bit with the not a fallout of love, but I just 22 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,080 stopped following the FA Cup as much. 23 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,840 Now modern day, I'm probably more into it. 24 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:03,960 Yeah, I don't know why that was. No. 25 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,160 Well, I think observing from the outside, I think kind of 2010 to 26 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,840 2016. I don't think you paid that much 27 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,040 attention to the FA. Cup Did you conduct research on 28 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,480 my football Watching Havis Just looking back, we met each other 29 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,560 over a 60th period. What are you doing, Lewis? 30 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:19,360 Adam's watching the TV again. Is it football? 31 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:20,800 Is it football? No, it's another episode of. 32 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,800 Strictly not the FA Cup notes made in. 33 00:01:24,320 --> 00:01:25,760 I'm never hosting a podcast for this guy. 34 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,920 No, the reason I bring it up is because I think this coincides 35 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,840 with the England tournament, like Southgate's tenure starting 36 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:34,040 to. Get into its flow. 37 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,760 I think that that reignited a a passion for football. 38 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:38,560 This was the year, wasn't it? This was the year. 39 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:39,960 Yeah, absolutely. I just thought it was 40 00:01:39,960 --> 00:01:41,080 interesting. I saw 2018. 41 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,920 I thought, actually that really reminds me of you getting back 42 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:45,480 into football in a big way again. 43 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:50,440 I wonder if England's success is aligned perfectly with whether 44 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,760 I'm into football. I think, I think that's a 45 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:54,560 really, I think that would be interesting. 46 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,400 Yeah, I mean, I always keep an eye on it, but in terms of 47 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:57,920 acting. But the Hodgson years didn't 48 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:59,480 really. It didn't inspire a. 49 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:00,320 Lot. No, exactly. 50 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,040 Yeah. Not to say that you obviously 51 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,160 weren't following England because as we've discussed, 52 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,960 you're an England fan first. Yeah, but yeah, I just thought 53 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,120 it was an interesting, an interesting observation on you. 54 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,039 But we're not we're not here to do that. 55 00:02:11,039 --> 00:02:12,160 We're not doing a deep dive into your. 56 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:17,200 Person when I was 6. So when did you love a football 57 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,200 first appear? What did your parents think 58 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,160 about that? We're going to talk about 59 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,880 observations of Chelsea and Man United because it's the FA Cup 60 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:29,360 final 2018 to, I was about to say heavyweights, but two clubs 61 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:30,320 that. Former heavyweights. 62 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,000 Yeah, and they were, I think, in quite similar position. 63 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,600 So I want to do that comparison. In today's episode, I want to 64 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,840 kind of bring up the similarities and the differences 65 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,560 between this era of Chelsea and this era of Manchester United. 66 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,680 So yeah, it's Chelsea, Man United and the FA Cup finals. 67 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,600 You've spoken about 19th of May 2018. 68 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,600 Michael Oliver would be the referee in charge. 69 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:51,320 He loves it. Interestingly enough, the 70 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,440 attendance was slightly less than the year previous, which I 71 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:56,000 thought was strange for two really. 72 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:57,400 I thought was a seller. That's weird. 73 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:58,920 Yeah, well, I think there's 1000. 74 00:02:58,920 --> 00:03:00,880 In it, so whether I. Don't know whether the 75 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,080 corporates weren't as interested, not quite sure, but 76 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,360 nevertheless, let's give a little bit of context into the 77 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,800 two teams. So Chelsea, they entered the 78 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,080 final after a kind of fractious, very inconsistent season. 79 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,200 Antonio Conte was still the manager. 80 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,480 I say it was fractious but they won the league in 2016. 81 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,640 So the Antonio Conte side were defending Premier League 82 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:21,360 champions but had struggled for rhythm. 83 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,560 So yeah, you're right. They had recently been Premier 84 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,160 League champions as in the the year before, but they dropped to 85 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,600 5th place this season, meaning they missed out on Champions 86 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,080 League qualification. So quite the drop off between, I 87 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,080 mean, yeah, having won the league, which we spoke about 88 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,040 Conte quite glowingly last episode. 89 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:42,120 But yeah, it's quite a fool from Grace afterwards, yet again 90 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,760 highlighting, I think, the fact that it's so hard to retain a 91 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,920 Premier League trophy, which I know it doesn't seem that way 92 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,600 because Pep did four in a row, but like it was, it's always 93 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,160 been a struggle. Ferguson. 4 managers done it 94 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:55,760 there. We go, then 4 managers look at 95 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:57,800 that straight off the Dome. I've done a bit of research for 96 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,080 tension. Let's get bloody tension. 97 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:02,360 For those who. Don't know, it's our Christmas 98 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,080 quiz. It's a fantastic car game. 99 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,200 But yeah, TuneIn for our Christmas special for that one. 100 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,280 But Kante's relationship with the board, shock, horror was 101 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,360 deteriorating. Rumours of his departure 102 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:15,920 intensified, which yet again is another FA Cup final where the 103 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:17,560 manager either pretty much knows. 104 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:19,160 Yeah, it's. Very, quite a bit. 105 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,680 Aaron Ramsey, yeah. The Spectre just yeah, the grim 106 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:24,400 Reaper being like. Two managers are here. 107 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:25,680 Which one of which one of you is going? 108 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,360 Yeah, because one of you is. It's very strange. 109 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,760 And I think that back in the 80s and 90s, if you won the FA Cup, 110 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,560 even if you'd bottomed down the league, yeah, that bought you so 111 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:35,920 much stock. Whereas as we've bemoaned many 112 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,680 times, the FA Cup becomes just another trophy really, unless 113 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,000 you're kind of a mid table club or lower. 114 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,280 But for the big boys, I feel like it's kind of like, yeah, 115 00:04:44,280 --> 00:04:45,960 cool, we won the FA Cup. That's that's good. 116 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,720 I feel like the owners are like is good for the fans, but we 117 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:50,640 don't care about it. Yeah, that's a realistically. 118 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,360 Good way of putting it. So the FA Cup became Chelsea's 119 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,400 only remaining route to silverware and as discussed, 120 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:57,960 possibly Conte's kind of last act. 121 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,480 There was a defensive wobble in the early in the year and they 122 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,800 had high profile fallouts for Diego Costa who had left the 123 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:05,480 season. Costa fell out with someone. 124 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,760 Yeah, sure, with Conte you. Know incredible 2 easygoing 125 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:11,080 characters. Antonio Conte. 126 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,120 One of my favorite ever stories about him is that when he was 127 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,560 manager of Juventus. Gigi Buffon, General Luigi 128 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,040 Buffon, obviously club legend, Italy legend, one of the most 129 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:21,720 senior players ever in that club. 130 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:26,560 He was having a request with Conte about some potential win 131 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,200 bonuses if they won the Champions League. 132 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaking on behalf of the squad and context response was every 133 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:32,800 time you open your mouth, you disappoint me. 134 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,600 I'm walked off. The fact that content did that 135 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,080 to Gigi before I just, I think is incredible. 136 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,040 But would they have played? Together content. 137 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,760 Good question. Yeah, yeah, yeah, They must have 138 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:44,520 done. That's a really good. 139 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,320 Some some history there. Yeah, exactly. 140 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,440 Didn't like him? But I just love content. 141 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,000 He's so combustible. It's still the same. 142 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,760 He's obviously won Serial with Napoli last season and even this 143 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:55,280 season. Now he's kicking off about 144 00:05:55,280 --> 00:05:57,480 everything. And I just I love the fact that 145 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:01,080 he refuses to change. There was a heavy reliance and 146 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,800 this is Chelsea under many managers to get heavy reliance 147 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,840 on Eden Hazard. This is kind of peak Hazard. 148 00:06:06,840 --> 00:06:09,720 This is him at his the height of his powers, which we wouldn't 149 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:11,600 really see again. He had another season I think at 150 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,120 Chelsea after this and then he goes to. 151 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:14,600 It was never the same, was he? Yeah, no. 152 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,120 Never the same and instead of Diego Costa they had signed up 153 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,480 Alvaro Morata who was one of those strikers who on Wikipedia 154 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,560 his list of clubs is really impressive. 155 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:25,920 He's been Spain's starting striker at a number of 156 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:27,280 tournaments. Quite forgettable then. 157 00:06:27,280 --> 00:06:29,520 Exactly. He's, he's always been, has 158 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,680 missed some obvious chances, which has made him quite a 159 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,000 figure of fun really. So that's where Chelsea are at 160 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,400 in this whole thing. Manchester United. 161 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,760 However, this is Mourinho's second season, so I. 162 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,280 Was going to ask if he was still there. 163 00:06:40,280 --> 00:06:43,560 So again, a really good FA Cup in terms of narrative because 164 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,200 you've got Conte and Mourinho, these two kind of defensive 165 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,320 first managers that are very US against the world siege 166 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,520 mentality everyone else is. A You might not know this, but 167 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,960 would this be in the year that Mourinho got second? 168 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,840 Yes, yeah, it is so second place in the Premier League. 169 00:06:57,840 --> 00:06:59,800 Which was unbelievable in hindsight. 170 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,200 Yeah, And actually, I think at the time people disparaged it a 171 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,320 little bit like, oh, OK. And the reason was they finished 172 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,680 nineteen points by Man City. So it wasn't close. 173 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:08,720 It wasn't. It was Man City are going to win 174 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:09,680 this league. Let's see who. 175 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,600 Finishes that was probably true of any like that was just what 176 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,720 was going to happen yeah that no one could compete could. 177 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,840 They No, absolutely. And Mourinho, I think he made 178 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,120 himself a figure of fun at the time by saying this is my 179 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,160 greatest achievement. He claimed getting second with 180 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,120 Man United yeah was his greatest achievement in management having 181 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,800 won the Champions League. Reporter and obviously we mocked 182 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:29,680 him four at the time and actually looking back at the 183 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,280 basket case of my knowledge, you kind of go he did incredibly 184 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,520 well like Marino. What were they doing? 185 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:36,680 Second, isn't that? Yeah, absolutely. 186 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,440 So there was a lot of criticism, United style, though we'd spoken 187 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:43,520 about Louis Van Hall and his kind of defensive heavy, reliant 188 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,800 on crosses football. This was effective but 189 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,080 conservative, typical kind of latter day Mourinho. 190 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,200 Yep, they had been knocked out of the Champions League by 191 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,200 Seville. The FA Cup was a final chance to 192 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,720 win a trophy. So again, Conte, Mourinho, Man 193 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,640 United, Chelsea coming in and this was kind of the only thing 194 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,160 to put a bit of Sheen onto their season. 195 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,280 Alexis Sanchez had joined Man United mid season, but he kind 196 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,400 of struggled. Obviously, we spoke about him in 197 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,400 previous episodes and here's. Another player that was never 198 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,320 the same, No. When he changed clubs, yeah. 199 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,840 Absolutely. Pogba was a a mainstay in this 200 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,000 my knotted side, but it kind of fluctuated. 201 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,120 Soonus was livid. I wonder. 202 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:19,960 He had a little smile and I thought, what's he thinking of? 203 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:21,920 Yeah, Graham Soonus just throw it. 204 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,040 It's just. So weird, like I'm not a Pogba 205 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:25,280 fan. I think he's a bit of a joke of 206 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:26,680 it. Graham Soonus's hate campaign 207 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,040 towards that matter is yeah, it's if it came out that Pogba 208 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:31,680 had been beaten up in the street, I would. 209 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:33,919 There's only one person, yeah. Absolutely. 210 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:35,360 Yeah, there's only one door you're knocking on. 211 00:08:35,919 --> 00:08:37,280 Mr. Soonus, can you accompany? Us. 212 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:38,480 Where were you last night, Graham? 213 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:43,760 I think you don't up to it. So there was reliance on David 214 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,800 Dehaya. So this is that period where I 215 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,120 think David Dehaya won Man United player of the season for 216 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,360 five seasons in a row. So it's one of those that's like 217 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:51,920 if you're relying on your goalkeeper that much. 218 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,360 Absolutely. And United attacked United 219 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,440 attack, sorry, lacked a lot of fluency and kind of in the 220 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,360 decisive games. They just couldn't get it done, 221 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,360 which obviously kind of shows in the fact they finished nineteen 222 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,480 points behind Man City when the matches came that matter, they 223 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:11,280 weren't able to do it. So what I wanted to compare and 224 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:16,240 contrast is the the managerial struggles but also fairly 225 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,520 consistent trophy halls of both clubs post their iconic 226 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:21,920 managers. So I want to go through a list 227 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,320 of Chelsea's managers post Marino because he was there. 228 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:25,640 I can't. Manage a long podcast. 229 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:27,520 Well, it's interesting. Yeah, Don't worry. 230 00:09:27,560 --> 00:09:29,520 I, I I will go through these. Questions. 231 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,160 I mean, there's a lot of them. Yeah, that's what that's what I 232 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:35,200 mean, that so from Ferguson and from Mourinho. 233 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:39,000 So the two iconic managers, when they left, how did both clubs 234 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:40,560 react? So Chelsea from Mourinho 235 00:09:40,560 --> 00:09:43,280 sacking, they've brought in Gus Hidink as a caretaker manager 236 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:44,960 for one season. He did really well. 237 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,040 I think he won like 14 matches in a row or something like that. 238 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:52,120 But it was Antonio Conte that then took over for Chelsea. 239 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,040 Two seasons there he won the Premier League in the FA Cup. 240 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,000 So not bad from chop and change. But again they go to a new 241 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,360 manager, Moricio Sari. He's there for one season, wins 242 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,560 the Europa League. Then they change manager for 243 00:10:03,560 --> 00:10:07,360 Frank Lampard who does two well 1 1/2 seasons, doesn't win any 244 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,040 trophies. That was during their transfer 245 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,520 embargo and kind of hitting the fan. 246 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,400 Then two call comes and takes charge for one season, wins 3 247 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,960 trophies, one major being the Champions League and then the 248 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:19,080 Super Cup and the Club World Cup. 249 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,200 Whether you count them on all the kind of charity Shields, but 250 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:22,680 nevertheless. European Championships. 251 00:10:22,680 --> 00:10:25,840 In finals 2, core managed to play in three and one three, so 252 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,760 very impressive. Only there for one season. 253 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,080 Graham Potter there for one season, doesn't win anything. 254 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,080 Frank Lampard comes back in again for caretaker, doesn't win 255 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:34,840 anything. Then Pochettino's there for one 256 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,920 season, doesn't win anything and Enzo Mareska's come in obviously 257 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:42,440 currently in his second season, but the Club World Cup, which 258 00:10:42,560 --> 00:10:45,160 actually means a bit more because it's not just a like 2 259 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:46,640 games you've had to win a tournament. 260 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:48,800 They've beat some decent teams. They obviously beat Parasanger 261 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,840 Man in the final which was unexpected even if the trophy 262 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:52,720 itself. But I thought that was 263 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,240 interesting that they kind of have this scattershot approach 264 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,360 of one season. We have this and we, I'm sure 265 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,520 you're going to make the same point with United, but just 266 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:03,560 these clubs that go from ultra success but they still have 267 00:11:03,560 --> 00:11:05,720 success. Yeah, like it's weird and like 268 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,720 you support Everton, you know what not success is. 269 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,240 Yeah, sure. Yeah, hello old friend. 270 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,400 Yeah, after achievement. What's that? 271 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,560 A trophy in the far off distance. 272 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,040 It's driven. Past that's as far as as close 273 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,520 as we get like yeah, quarterfinal is a result. 274 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,960 Yeah, that is not success. These clubs haven't had that. 275 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,480 Yeah, it's just ingrained in the idea that even at your worst, 276 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:31,360 even at your lowest ebb, you still are having moments to kind 277 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,520 of hang your hat on and kind of and even. 278 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:35,880 Even the narrative, I'm not suggesting it's a good thing, 279 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,720 but even the narrative of like the, you know, I'm sure there's 280 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:40,720 a story behind each one, but like, you know, clubs win 281 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:42,040 trophies and then they change manager. 282 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:43,600 Yeah. Yeah, It's like, you know, Oh 283 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,560 yeah, they won this and they won that, and then the new guy came 284 00:11:45,560 --> 00:11:46,800 in. It's like, why did he come in? 285 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,840 Well, I think a lot of clubs nowadays, because of the Pep 286 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,320 Guardiola ification, if that is a word of modern day football, 287 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,320 is it so much important to have a system and a brand of football 288 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,920 than it is necessarily to just win trophies by any means 289 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:02,720 necessary? I think most clubs want an 290 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,760 attractive brand of attacking football more than they want 291 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,080 like, oh, we're a really defensive counter attacking 292 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,600 team, but we've won 3 cups in five years. 293 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,560 I think most clubs would go for a kind of a brand identity in 294 00:12:13,560 --> 00:12:16,440 attacking football rather than just, oh, we've won two League 295 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,000 Cups out of three years, but. Yeah, I think sometimes clubs 296 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,240 don't know what they want. Yeah, I honestly don't. 297 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,800 I just, it's so caught up in the knee jerk reaction of the way 298 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,800 football works is they don't, is anyone stopping to go like what 299 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,000 do we want here? Like there are so few clubs that 300 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:32,720 keep managers for more than three seasons. 301 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,400 It is nuts. Or even consistency of managers. 302 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,840 That's why clubs like Brighton have have continued to punch 303 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,760 above their weights because there is top down thinking of 304 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:43,400 this is the type of manager we hire. 305 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,240 They don't change the identity of the club every time, which 306 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:47,560 United have multiple. Times. 307 00:12:47,560 --> 00:12:50,160 So that's a really good segue to talk about Man United's list of 308 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,480 managers because you look at the style of manager, the experience 309 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,320 of each manager, it's just scattershot. 310 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,160 It's who? Who's the biggest available at 311 00:12:58,160 --> 00:12:59,400 the at the time? Yeah, exactly. 312 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,360 And then Ralph Ragnick. Yeah, oh, bless him the the 313 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,800 Professor himself. So David Moyes, as we call him 314 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:07,040 from his stint in rail. Sausage the. 315 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,080 Moyes, Ayer The. Moyes Ayer came in with the 316 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,280 ultimate poison chalice, probably the biggest one that's 317 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,280 ever been in football, takes over from Sir Alex Ferguson. 318 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,200 He does win the FA, the FA Community Shield. 319 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,240 Isn't it chalice? But unfortunately, that's all he 320 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,200 has to his name. He lasts one season, then Gigsy 321 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:28,640 takes over. I think he only has something 322 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,040 like 4 games. Yeah, very, very insistent. 323 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:32,240 Obviously doesn't win anything then. 324 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,600 Then van Hull takes over, is there for two years, they win 325 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,000 the FA Cup, then it goes to Jose Mourinho. 326 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:40,520 So yeah, as we said, nicking him from Chelsea, he wins the Europa 327 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,600 League, the League Cup and Chariot Shield if you count 328 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:45,360 that. But still 2 trophies in two 329 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,280 years. Maybe not the Premier League and 330 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,280 not a Champions League, but he's won what he can. 331 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:53,120 Then social comes in and despite the positivity and he gets three 332 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:54,640 years. Well, 2 1/2 years in the job 333 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,240 doesn't win anything, but you still have the Rio Ferdinand. 334 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,400 'S is it the wheel? Yeah, exactly, which is bizarre 335 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,920 looking back where it reminds you of how low things were for 336 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,960 social to come in and kind of bring the field back but 337 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,400 achieves nothing. Then Rang it comes in, in for a 338 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,920 season, doesn't win anything. Eric Tenhag, who became a figure 339 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,680 of fun in recent history, he's there for two seasons, but he 340 00:14:14,680 --> 00:14:18,160 wins the League Cup, the FA Cup in two years. 341 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,800 So two cups, two years, including beating Manchester 342 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:22,520 City in a. Cup Yeah, yeah, it's a. 343 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,680 Huge achievement and then Ruben Ameren now, but you look at 344 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,520 Ameren, Tenhag, Ranjic, Solsha, Mourinho, like they're all 345 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,360 entirely different. Types of management, No 346 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,880 consistency at all, is it? It is very much even the 347 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,680 Mourinho appointment was like Van Hal just obviously just won 348 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,160 a trophy, but United were already looking at, you know, 349 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:40,640 looking at the rise and going who's next. 350 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,120 But there's there was no forward thinking at all. 351 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,120 There was no kind of like, Oh yeah, this guy's here. 352 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:49,040 Like what were they thinking when Van Hal is just is so short 353 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,240 sighted for a club that was the opposite of short sighted. 354 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,960 The identity of that club has changed in a decade. 355 00:14:54,960 --> 00:15:08,440 God of a lifetime. So what I found interesting 356 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,560 along with the the managers and the similarities there, the 357 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,920 squads kind of reflected that chop and change system. 358 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,840 So both squads had long term servants that had done really 359 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,560 well for the club and players that clearly weren't up to par. 360 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,680 So just as an idea of some of the players that both teams had 361 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:27,560 in the line up, so Chelsea had TiVo, Courtois, Aspiricueta, Tim 362 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:32,080 Cahill and Golocante, Tim Cahill, Tim Cahill still going 363 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,000 strong, Cess, Fabregas, even Hazard, Olivier Giroux. 364 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:39,600 But they also had players like Tiemo Bakiyoko, Victor Moses, 365 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:44,480 Alvaro Marata, Davi de Zappa, Costa and a very faltering Ross 366 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,280 Barkley. So kind of it's a real 367 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:49,040 scattershot of these great players and players that weren't 368 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:50,480 up to it. Same with Man United today, 369 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:55,400 David Dehaya, Antonio Valencia, Ashley Young, Paul Pogba, Marcus 370 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,600 Rashford who had really emerged. But they also had players that 371 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,760 had kind of flat to the C, so Alexis Sanchez, Phil Jones, the 372 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,240 manager, Mattich Bay at centre back. 373 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:08,000 But they did have MC Terminator himself, Scott Mctominator 18th 374 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,400 in the Balandor this year. Let's just remember that legend, 375 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,480 MVP for Serie A in a Napoli winning squad. 376 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,720 I tell you what, what might not it would give to have him back, 377 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,320 but nevertheless. I saw I saw a Twitter thing 378 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,120 where it was a picture of him looking like an unbelievably 379 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,720 tanned sunglasses guy and it said Scott McDonald's glow up 380 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:28,600 should be investigated. It's more than espresso each 381 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:29,480 morning. It must. 382 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:30,600 Happen to this guy? Absolutely. 383 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,440 Incredible. And then also I thought it was 384 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,640 interesting that there was still a little bit of sharing between 385 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:39,040 Chelsea, Man United in this. So Lukaku, who was he's injured 386 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,520 at this, he starts on the bench for Man United. 387 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,760 So you'll see play for Chelsea, Man United and Amanda Matic 388 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,080 should play for Chelsea, Man United, Juan Matter, Chelsea, 389 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,320 Man United and obviously Marino, Chelsea, Man United. 390 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,200 So they were kind of really. One club. 391 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,240 Yeah, it was very strange how much they were kind of borrowing 392 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,480 from each other. But with that, let's talk about 393 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:01,080 the final itself. You just cannot write scripts. 394 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:02,360 Like. This. 395 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,079 So in order to get to the final, Chelsea's path was pretty 396 00:17:06,079 --> 00:17:08,599 simple, as was Man United's. And again, I feel like we've 397 00:17:08,599 --> 00:17:12,160 said that sentence probably the last three or 4 episodes where 398 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,240 it feels like we haven't had those Titanic clashes at like 399 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,359 quarter final, semi final stage. It's been. 400 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,560 Quite already gone, yeah. It's very strange. 401 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,599 Which heavyweight can make it through the easiest draw? 402 00:17:21,599 --> 00:17:23,160 Yeah, I say you stay there. Exactly. 403 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,319 So Chelsea, despite what I've just said, they did struggle in 404 00:17:26,319 --> 00:17:28,720 a third round replay win against Norwich City. 405 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,120 So they did manage to beat Norwich but it was nil, nil on 406 00:17:32,120 --> 00:17:34,800 the first leg, one all on the second leg and they only won on 407 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,000 penalties. In F21 replay. 408 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,720 Yeah, yeah, sorry, but I thought that was strange. 409 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,120 But they then went on to Chelsea, went on to batter 410 00:17:42,120 --> 00:17:44,240 Newcastle, three nil, bat hole, 4 nil. 411 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,840 They did beat Leicester but only after extra time in the quarter 412 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,280 finals and then semi finals was against Southampton, so no real 413 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,360 struggle there for a team that should be winning that man not 414 00:17:54,360 --> 00:17:56,960 had something similar. They met Derby County in the 415 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,840 third round, then Yeovil Town, Huddersfield Town, Brighton 416 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,600 which aren't the Brighton of today, and Tottenham in the semi 417 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,240 final. So really Tottenham are the only 418 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,600 team that potentially could have caused man not a trouble. 419 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:08,360 Yeah, despite their inconsistency. 420 00:18:08,360 --> 00:18:11,920 So both teams kind of arrive at the final feeling relatively 421 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,600 fresh in terms of we haven't had to beat any Titans here. 422 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,280 It's one game, winner takes all, unfortunately. 423 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:19,400 However, there were tributes held to Ray Wilkins, who had 424 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:23,600 died in the April of this year. There was a minute's silence 425 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,760 held during the game. There were memorials on the the 426 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:30,680 boards and the screens. But yeah, Ray Wilkins, for those 427 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,160 that don't know, won the FA Cup with both sides. 428 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,040 Man United as a player and assistant manager at Chelsea for 429 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,200 three titles. Yeah, 3 trophies. 430 00:18:38,360 --> 00:18:41,280 You know, The funny thing about Ray Wilkins is like unbelievable 431 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,040 player, brilliant for England at two World Cups. 432 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,040 Yeah. And yet I remember him as the 433 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,960 voice of Tango. No, he was the voice of the 434 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:50,720 tango guy. You know when you've been 435 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:52,680 tangoed. Yeah, not that guy, no, but he 436 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:54,720 just did the kind of deadpan voice. 437 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:56,520 I had no idea. I'm gonna have to go back and 438 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:57,360 look at this. Look it up. 439 00:18:57,360 --> 00:18:59,240 Yeah. Imagine that in the board rooms 440 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,280 at. Yeah. 441 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,080 Usually we got. We've got this voice over actor. 442 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:04,880 We've got this celebrity here. No, no, no, no. 443 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,320 I've got just the man, right? It's time. 444 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:09,600 Pack up your mic. Come over here. 445 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,400 Yes, Ralph, the big orange fellow running from the left. 446 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,120 And he gives him a good old slapping. 447 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,240 It just illustrates the bite and buzz. 448 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,040 All of real. Oranges in tango? 449 00:19:20,120 --> 00:19:23,040 Yes Ralph, super taste sensation smashing drink. 450 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,520 Lovely. You know where you've been 451 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,880 tangled. Ridiculous, Ray. 452 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:28,960 Wilkins. Did he get that? 453 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,520 He must have just known someone. It must have just. 454 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,480 He did have a good voice for it. Sure, Yeah, I'm not doubting 455 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:35,280 his. I'm not doubting him. 456 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,520 I'm not doubting his. I mean, he went on to have a 457 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,640 great voice over career doing nothing else. 458 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,000 No, very, very strange. But for a moment. 459 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:43,480 Then I merged. Like you know when you've been 460 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:44,440 tangled. Yeah, what did that guy? 461 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:45,920 Wilkinson just fire in the booth. 462 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:47,680 He's just going in there. Boo, Boo, Boo. 463 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:50,600 But let's talk about the game rather than Ray Wilkins. 464 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,760 So I'm sure that's the memorial that he would want as we talk 465 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,800 about his achievement. As a player, yeah, exactly. 466 00:19:57,120 --> 00:19:58,880 It's really about the voice over artistry. 467 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,120 So in the first half the game immediately settles into one of 468 00:20:02,120 --> 00:20:04,120 those KG finals and you get the idea. 469 00:20:04,120 --> 00:20:07,040 Early on, the first kind of 10 minutes, it's probably going to 470 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,800 be a little bit dull because you've got 2 defensive first 471 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:14,000 managers that both kind of want to control the game and not 472 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,920 allow freedom other than. The likes of Conte just 473 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,080 basically going to Eden Hazard, can you win US the game? 474 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:20,840 Other than that, we'll stick to our system. 475 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,840 But it is Eden Hazard sharp movement that causes the first 476 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,560 alarm. So he's played through with a 477 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:28,400 really good ball from Seskabregas. 478 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,040 Hazard's first touch is amazing and he basically is drifting 479 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,120 inside from the right wing. He's got Phil Jones desperately 480 00:20:35,120 --> 00:20:37,120 trying to keep up with him. And as he enters the penalty 481 00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:40,280 box, Phil Jones does a terrible slide tackle, goes to ground. 482 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,960 It's one of those you like. I understand why he's gone to 483 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,840 ground, but he's in no position to do it. 484 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:48,640 He's the wrong side of Hazard. He just panicked. 485 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,680 He slides in, takes Hazard out before he even gets him. 486 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,160 He strikes me as that kind of defender they. 487 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,440 Do yeah, it's that desperation the the kind of like. 488 00:20:56,120 --> 00:20:59,280 I like slide tackles more than I like discipline. 489 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:03,520 Yeah, he was not a aesthetically pleasing player in any sense of 490 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,560 the word. It's like, I mean, facially it's 491 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,720 him and Ian Dowie. How do you explain to them that 492 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:09,160 not selling any photos in the club shop? 493 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:11,440 Sorry, Phil. Yeah, I know you've signed the 494 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:12,680 batch, but they're still sat here, mate. 495 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,120 Do you wanna hand out friends and family? 496 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,000 But yeah, Phil Jones, he always looked a little bit too 497 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,640 desperate. Unfortunately, he he he looks 498 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,840 very amateur. By within 10 minutes, giving a 499 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,720 penalty to Chelsea, Hazard is is just wiped out. 500 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,040 There's no sense of diving. He's just clattered in the 501 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,160 penalty area. So stepping up, Hazard decides 502 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,680 to take the penalty himself. Sends to hay the wrong way. 503 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,920 Scores it. Sends to Hay the wrong way. 504 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,440 A. Short approach almost halfway 505 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,600 through the first half and Hazard rolls it past the hair. 506 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:48,360 Chelsea League Manchester United at Wembley in the 2018 FA Cup 507 00:21:48,360 --> 00:21:51,280 final. It's one nil Chelsea which feeds 508 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,960 into exactly the type of football that Antonio Conte won. 509 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:59,080 And to be fair, this kind of game plan of Conte, which is 510 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,360 will remain really tight and allow our creative players to do 511 00:22:02,360 --> 00:22:05,040 their thing. 13 minutes in, Hazard's done exactly that. 512 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,760 It's it's Fabregas with his creativity and an amazing 513 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,560 through ball, Hazard's great first touch and then just his 514 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,480 pace and frightening defence. And it's kind of like, OK, well, 515 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,800 advantage Chelsea now because Man United have to do what they 516 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,520 don't want to do. And then Marino would just come 517 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,800 out and try and break him down. United try to settle into kind 518 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,480 of some sustained possession, but they just struggle to break 519 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,120 Chelsea down. Pogba starts trying to roam and 520 00:22:26,120 --> 00:22:28,000 find some space. And he looks good in the first 521 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,200 kind of half of this final despite not really having shots 522 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:32,400 on target or being able to set anyone. 523 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,040 And he seems to, and I think he did do this all night. 524 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,640 He seems to take ownership of the game a little bit. 525 00:22:38,120 --> 00:22:39,920 He probably didn't do it too often enough. 526 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,360 But obviously for France, he's been a very totemic figure. 527 00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:46,160 He has been the kind of heartbeat of France when they've 528 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,760 won major tournaments. But unfortunately, Pogba is 529 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,680 surrounded by an Alexis Sanchez that looks way off of it. 530 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:57,800 And bigger players like Lukaku, Anthony Martial are on the bench 531 00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,080 either through injury or lack of form. 532 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,680 So he's kind of doing it on his own about anywhere to really go. 533 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,480 So, you know, it's best openings in the first half come from kind 534 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,440 of crosses and speculative shots. 535 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,320 But Chelsea managed to hold firm and Golo Cante in particular, 536 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,960 breaking up everything and not allowing talk of a room. 537 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,280 More on Angola Cante later, because of course I should just 538 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,360 do an Angola County minute. Him and Ronaldo, just yes, yeah. 539 00:23:18,360 --> 00:23:19,800 And there all day. Yeah, exactly. 540 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,080 So it goes into the second-half after a fairly cagey, poor 541 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,320 quality first half, but pressure begins to build so Marcus 542 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:27,800 Rashford starts to come into the game for man. 543 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,920 United Marcus Flashford. Marcus Flashford, the one and 544 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,000 only he, he managed to cut inside from the left and he 545 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:37,320 leashes an absolute fierce shot straight Tebow quarter, which is 546 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,120 very disappointing. Honestly, going through the 547 00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:41,800 highlights, highlights of this game, the amount of shots that 548 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,400 go directly at the keeper where they've done some great work on 549 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,000 both sides to Chelsea and Man United. 550 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,560 So are they beaten two players then leash a shot straight at 551 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,360 the goalkeeper and the honestly, it must be four or five shots 552 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,080 that you just think just a little bit of quality like. 553 00:23:54,360 --> 00:23:56,720 Anything to the side. You're a striker, it's not a 554 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,520 game of hit the target. It's not like one of those 555 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,520 moving, you know a fairground. When you've got one of those 556 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,360 moving targets, can you hit it? It's like no, avoid it, go for 557 00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:05,600 the corners, look for the net, just do anything other than hit 558 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:06,920 it at the. Key Are you giving Marcus 559 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,480 Rashford shooting advice? Absolutely. 560 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,000 He's too Flashford for my liking. 561 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,240 What he needs to do, Meat and potatoes, centre forwards, play, 562 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:14,720 just hit the corners, you know what I'm saying? 563 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:19,480 Come on, Marcus. Jesse Lingard, who we've spoken. 564 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:20,560 I was gonna ask. He's still there. 565 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,280 Still there. And he's kind of made because. 566 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:23,520 This was his big year, wasn't it? 567 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:24,520 Exactly. Woke up. 568 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:25,000 Didn't. Yeah. 569 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,240 Yeah. This again the peak of Jesse 570 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,240 Lingard, he starts to stretch Chelsea, but again there's not 571 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,200 enough kind of clear cut opportunities. 572 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,480 So about 55 minutes in Alexis Sanchez does manage to score, 573 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,040 but the celebrations are short lived because it's very 574 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,760 obviously offside. There is a shot that is parried 575 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,880 by quartile that falls right into Sanchez has. 576 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,760 Two disallowed in the Arsenal final. 577 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:47,360 Yes, he did. Yeah, you're. 578 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:48,680 Right. I wonder if he's got the title 579 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,160 of the most display goals at Wembley. 580 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,640 That's will say he definitely. Has well done, Alexis. 581 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,600 Yeah, well. On a record that you never want 582 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:55,680 to. And we just made-up. 583 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,520 He's there just invoking a witch doctor. 584 00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,440 I need to break this case. Excuse me? 585 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,200 I don't know. I'm trying to do a Spanish 586 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,880 accent even though he is Chilean. 587 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,200 I don't know what a Chilean accent sounds like. 588 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,400 This doesn't sound like Spanish. Either, but I mean I listen back 589 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,760 to your field level impression that sounded like Brian Clap, so 590 00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:11,400 I don't know why you keep doing impressions. 591 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:12,640 No, you're right. Yeah, terrible. 592 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,440 This is not my Forte, but Chelsea struggle to maintain 593 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,600 possession. But Hazard and Kante, they 594 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,120 worked tirelessly. Marcus Alonso, the Chelsea left 595 00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:24,080 back, manages to roam into the penalty box. 596 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,720 The ball finds him and there is a great opportunity. 597 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,920 It finds him for one of those that he's on the right side of 598 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,480 the penalty box. He can open up his body, use his 599 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,920 stronger left foot to kind of teary on rear into the corner, 600 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,200 which I know, you know, if everyone could teary on rear. 601 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,160 Yeah. I was going to say, yeah, yeah. 602 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:38,960 I'm more than like the aesthetics of when you can open 603 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,680 up your body and go go against what the direction the ball's 604 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,280 coming from. And he clearly panics because 605 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:45,800 he's like, I'm a left back in the penalty. 606 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,560 Yeah. And he just has a complete brain 607 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,000 fart weight, doesn't go on his left foot and then tries to 608 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,800 spank it with his right foot and surprise, surprise, goes 609 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,320 straight to hair. But yeah, that's kind of the 610 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,960 only opportunity. So then cometh the hour, cometh 611 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,920 the man. There is an A really good ball 612 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,000 from a corner that is placed directly on the head of Paul 613 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,080 Pogba. He is 6 yards out, unmarked on 614 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,640 the penalty spot and he powers the header wide. 615 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,600 And it's like that is. One straight the keeper. 616 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,480 That's true, yeah. Maybe that he got in his own 617 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,640 head, anything but at the keeper and he's headed it wide. 618 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,080 I've heard what that guy said on the podcast. 619 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,480 I'm a time traveller and I've remembered and what information 620 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,520 I've taken from this. I went forward and the only 621 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:28,240 thing I heard was a podcast. Listen about your band 622 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,880 substances there pool. But anyway, I don't know why I'm 623 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,840 taking shots at Paul Bogger. Paul Manson just created. 624 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,800 Story this time mate. Yeah, but yeah, it's one those 625 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,400 way. Like big game player, these are 626 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,000 the moments that matter. You might get one chance. 627 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,160 We said this before. I'm we. 628 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,800 Yeah, yeah. Big, big finals are about those 629 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,600 big players taking the chance that they know this might be it. 630 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:48,440 Yeah. And. 631 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,760 Unfortunately it's pretty unforgivable for Pogba. 632 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,560 He is like completely unmarked. It's not like he's being put off 633 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,960 by another defender. He is on the penalty spot. 634 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,200 All he has to do is put it either side of the keeper and 635 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:00,760 unfortunately drags it far too wise. 636 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,040 And that really is is the last clear cut chance of my night. 637 00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:07,920 So Chelsea still one nil up the last 15 minutes. 638 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,680 Mourinho gamble's he chucks on Lukaku and Marshall, both that 639 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,480 have been injured of kind of a desperation of let's Chuck a 640 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,400 load of attackers on and see what we can get. 641 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,200 But as we've spoken about Chelsea's defensive line, Tim 642 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,880 Cahill, Antonio Rudiger as Poliquetta, that three man 643 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,400 defence were immense. They were really, really good at 644 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,360 this point. They're such a cohesive unit. 645 00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:28,920 They've played together under Conte in this system for a long. 646 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:29,760 Time. Can I just pause you? 647 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:31,440 Is it Gary Cahill? What do? 648 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,400 I say Tim Cahill. You said Tim three times in this 649 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,520 pocket. Don't cut that out, Lewis sings. 650 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,400 Tim Cahill plays set the back for Chelsea Have. 651 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,880 You ever seen Tim Cahill and Gary Cahill in the room at the 652 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:42,400 same? Time. 653 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,320 When you said it, I was like, Tim Cahill, you're like, yeah, 654 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,480 yeah, he's still there. Like play Foreverton. 655 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,400 I just accepted it. Australian midfield maestro. 656 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,320 He's like 5 foot tall. He's playing centre of average. 657 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,480 Really good in the air though, that is one thing. 658 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,360 Like Tim Cahill, he was fantastic. 659 00:27:57,360 --> 00:27:59,760 I let it ride the first time. I was like, there's no way you 660 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,040 mean. I can't believe, yeah, I can't 661 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,480 believe I've kept on saying 2 KM. 662 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,640 It was a surprise to everyone that Conte made it work. 663 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,240 Brilliant management, Absolutely brilliant. 664 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,360 It was even more surprising that he had a squad place in the 665 00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:11,720 England squad to be an Australian, but he was there. 666 00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:15,520 Some magic of Conte that's. It gets nice. 667 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,760 Let's try that again. Gary Cahill, Cesar's Pilliquetta 668 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,800 and Antonio Rudiger, a really, really solid unit. 669 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:27,200 So add into the mix and go Locante just being able to cover 670 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,640 every blade of grass and TiVo quarter just being a bit of a 671 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,760 Titan. It was only going to end one way 672 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,720 after Chelsea went one all up and that's what happened. 673 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,880 So United crosses became more desperate but Chelsea held firm 674 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,680 and despite not being classic, Antonio Conte walks away with an 675 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,400 FA Cup winners medal and Chelsea lift the FA Cup in 2018. 676 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,720 You have just witnessed 90 of the most terrific minutes of 677 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,000 European football you will ever, ever see. 678 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,120 But the good news is there's more to come. 679 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,600 So as we go into the extra time of our podcast, just want to 680 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:02,960 talk about and go to cante a little bit. 681 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,920 So some facts I wanted to bring up that you may or may not know 682 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,040 about. S 70% of the earth is covered by 683 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,600 water. The other 30%? 684 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,440 I've heard that before, doesn't. Like go to Cante, I don't know 685 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,600 if you know this but he can in fact touch MC Hammer. 686 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,240 He once intercepted a pass that haven't been played yet. 687 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,360 He he haunts many midfielders and they check onto their bed at 688 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,280 night for Angolo Kante. Angolo Kante once won the ball 689 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,520 back from himself. Angolo Kante once intercepted 690 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,600 Wi-Fi. He has two lungs but chooses to 691 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,400 use 6 and midfielders Dreamless space Kante wakes up already 692 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,320 there and finally Kante plays box to box, touchline to 693 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,280 touchline and occasionally car park to car park. 694 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,640 There is nothing that Angolo Kante cannot do. 695 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,320 One of my favorite players ever because he it is the reminder 696 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,080 that even though he was technically good, that 697 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,960 essentially it doesn't matter what level you are at Sunday 698 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,880 league football at amateur veterans level or the ultimate 699 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,880 elite. If you have a player that runs 700 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,720 and runs and runs like obviously he can read the game very well 701 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,240 and it's about positioning. But there is just something I 702 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,000 don't know that I fall in love with where it's like I recognise 703 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,760 that because just goes and goes. At my peak I wasn't in go to 704 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,960 Canto myself, if I do say so myself. 705 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,560 People referred to that peaks. My amateur peak. 706 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,040 I'll tell you what, there was not, I might not have been a 707 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,680 good passer or a good shooter or a good dribbler. 708 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,560 All very good in. Yeah, I tell you what, I could 709 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,080 run. God damn it, I could run. 710 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:28,360 I was once described as a Robin Reliant 400 horsepower but can't 711 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,160 drive. But anyway, moving on from 712 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,000 Angola, Kante. And your career? 713 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,160 Yeah, and my peak, my peak similar to Angola Kante. 714 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,680 Yeah, yeah, man of the match, despite in my opinion should 715 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,680 have to go to Angola Kante. I was in on him. 716 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:42,960 No. Antonio Rudiga. 717 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,920 It's a lot bigger, just you want to. 718 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,560 I just want to talk about Angola Kante, but it's Rudiga who would 719 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,520 go on to Real Madrid I think in a seasons time. 720 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,480 I think he moves to Real Madrid where he still is at as 721 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,160 president of the FA Prince William the the Duke of 722 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,720 Cambridge would normally have attended the final and presented 723 00:30:58,720 --> 00:30:59,920 the trophy to the winning captain. 724 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,560 Do you know why he wasn't there? No. 725 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,080 He was playing best man. Oh. 726 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:05,760 Was he? Yeah, he was just. 727 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,920 Royal wedding the same day. Royal wedding the same day, 728 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,160 which you'd be fuming. Wouldn't you be like Harry? 729 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:11,360 Have a word, mate. Why did you miss this? 730 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,840 Pick the FA Cup final. I've got a very important role. 731 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,680 I get the best seats in the house and you've decided to have 732 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:16,920 your wedding there go the day after. 733 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,440 Come on, man. But nevertheless, yeah, Meghan 734 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,120 Markle and Prince Harry. To. 735 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,720 A wedding on that day, Marino shot car. 736 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,520 I didn't take defeat well, his quote was I congratulate them 737 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,400 because they won, but they didn't deserve to win. 738 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:30,960 I congratulate them because I'm a. 739 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:36,560 The bloody royal wedding there. I congratulate them to win. 740 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,280 Is that alright? Harry's done alright. 741 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,240 I think Harry has one. If we're being completely 742 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,160 honest, there's no way that Harry should be with Meghan 743 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,880 Markle, but he's done very well there. 744 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:46,840 But Mourinho was indignant about. 745 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,680 Chelsea, sorry. Yeah, yeah, I should, I should 746 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,280 introduce there should. Have been a hard cut between 747 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,920 yeah, speaking about the royal wedding and Mourinho's opinion 748 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,200 on it, but yeah, he says. I congratulate them because I'm 749 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,000 a sportsman. So again, Mourinho just being 750 00:31:59,000 --> 00:31:59,760 the. Bigger man, of course. 751 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:03,200 Well, not really, but yeah. Yeah, this was in three 752 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,800 newspapers that I found declared declared as one of the worst 753 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,760 finals of the 21st century. I've done my best to make it as 754 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,920 interesting as possible, but I couldn't bring myself to sit 755 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,520 through the game. I just watched the highlights 756 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,840 because everyone was like, this is dire. 757 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,000 It was the first time that Marino, I thought this is 758 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,600 interesting. It was the first time that 759 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,520 Marino had lost a cup final in charge of an English team after 760 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,240 7 finals. So he'd gone 77 finals, 7 761 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,320 victories and then finally come up short. 762 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,560 In contrast to that, this was the first ever domestic cup won 763 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,360 by Kante. He'd never won one in Italy, 764 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:35,760 haven't won one in England. Yeah. 765 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,800 So this was his. First one as much as he has. 766 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,920 Yeah, exactly. He's a league specialist, but it 767 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,000 seems that he struggles in cups and that still, you look at his 768 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,720 managerial career since then, that's still kind of true. 769 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,720 He's very good at winning leagues, but he really suffers 770 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,280 when you like his record and Champions League is terrible. 771 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,800 And people talk about the fact that he needs so long for his 772 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,560 system to kind of put in place that having like only two days 773 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,840 in between matches just doesn't work for his managerial style. 774 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,840 But interestingly, this was going back to Marino only the 775 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,920 third ever season in his manager managerial career where he 776 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,560 didn't win silverware. So at this point, even though 777 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,080 there was a talk of is Marino coming to the end of himself? 778 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,920 Is this kind of Yeah. Are we seeing the the? 779 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,480 He got a lot of heat, didn't he? For not he. 780 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,360 Did, but as a manager only three seasons. 781 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,760 He never won silverware. I mean, he was, we talked about 782 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,000 it a couple of weeks ago where the managers come in and defend 783 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,120 themselves. But actually, as embarrassing as 784 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,120 it is when managers do that, Mourinho kind of made some good 785 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:31,360 points. Yeah, Yeah, he did. 786 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:32,640 Yeah, he's talking. What was it? 787 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,960 The three held up three fingers or something, I can't remember. 788 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,560 What it? Was Premier leagues maybe? 789 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,680 Yeah, It's like, yeah, like there's a lot of managers that 790 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,800 couldn't sit there, A lot of managers that couldn't sit 791 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,160 there. Jurgen Klopp, heralded is one of 792 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,560 the greatest managers in Premier League history, has one Premier 793 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,280 League title to his name. Marino has three. 794 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,800 Yeah, amazing stuff. And then just a final word on 795 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,040 Chelsea, really. So this was their 8th FA Cup, so 796 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,880 they had a bit of a history in the competition. 797 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,760 They were a bit of a cup team. But up until now it's their most 798 00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,520 recent. So like you say, coming towards 799 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,840 10 years and Chelsea haven't really threatened. 800 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,600 To so they've won nothing in 10 years now. 801 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,480 I'm guessing they're part of the Club World Cup. 802 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,400 And Champions League. Oh yeah, of course. 803 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,480 Yeah, that. Random, but yeah, yeah, the the 804 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,719 one where they out well, it was more down to Pep doing a Pep 805 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,120 where he overthought himself and decided for the first game that 806 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,520 entire season not to play a hole in the. 807 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,199 Pep won it for. Chelsea, Yeah, yeah, pretty 808 00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:21,280 much. But with that, that's the end of 809 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,320 the 2018 FA Cup final. Fantastic. 810 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,760 Yeah, I think I did well with one of the worst ever. 811 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,440 Finals. Yeah, he's won over that nicely. 812 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,400 Yeah, exactly. But join us next week where I 813 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,080 can promise you the final will be far more interesting than 814 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:32,320 this.