1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,560 Do do do do do do do. Cars by going. 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:17,130 Hair in my car. You just cannot write scripts 3 00:00:17,610 --> 00:00:21,370 like this. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, 4 00:00:21,370 --> 00:00:23,170 to the Final Countdown, the podcast looking back at great 5 00:00:23,170 --> 00:00:24,530 finals within the game of football. 6 00:00:24,530 --> 00:00:26,410 I'm Lewis here, my Co host Adam, hello there. 7 00:00:26,530 --> 00:00:30,050 And we are continuing our run of FA Cup finals, the the oldest 8 00:00:30,050 --> 00:00:32,090 and possibly the greatest cup competition in the world. 9 00:00:32,170 --> 00:00:35,120 Well, definitely the oldest. Yeah, definitely factual. 10 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:36,960 Come on mate, what other domestic cup are you saying is? 11 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:37,840 Bad. Well, we're English. 12 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:39,640 We're not gonna say, oh, you know, I really like the Spanish 13 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,600 Cup. The Copa del Rey. 14 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,280 I knew you can resist, I know, but that is inaccurate. 15 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:50,320 Haven't. Let's let's move past the 16 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,000 Spanish Cup because that's not what we're covering. 17 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:53,840 No. And we, you know, spoiler alert, 18 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:55,840 probably never. I can't imagine we'll do that. 19 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:57,600 Although we could pick the top three, which will ultimately 20 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,640 just be Barcelona, Real Madrid. Cup 5 We suddenly get a massive 21 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:06,680 Spanish listening burrito caliente. 22 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:09,280 And we've lost all our Spanish listeners. 23 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:11,600 It's Spanish. It's just hot dogs. 24 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,240 Yeah, sure. Yeah, we speak nonsense in 25 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:15,840 Spanish and we speak nonsense in English. 26 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,240 And with that, let's talk about what turns out to be a bit of a 27 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,920 nonsense final only because of people's reactions to it. 28 00:01:22,320 --> 00:01:24,880 So there's there's one very specific moment of utter 29 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,960 nonsense, utter woke nonsense that we want to talk about. 30 00:01:27,960 --> 00:01:32,120 But let's talk about the 2016 FA Cup final, hotly contested 31 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,480 between Manchester United and Crystal Palace. 32 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,120 Yes, yes. Yes, yes, comes flooding back 33 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:39,840 exactly. So quite a bit of nonsense, but 34 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,480 Crystal Palace will give a bit of context as to where both 35 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,560 clubs were at this time because it's a funny time for both of 36 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,120 them. Palace obviously have had a 37 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,960 resurgence in the last year or 18 months where they have become 38 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,440 kind of a lot of people's favorite second club. 39 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:53,880 Think a lot of really well. I just think a lot of people 40 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,120 admire their style of football. I think they admire the fact 41 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:58,120 that they. Mean now or then. 42 00:01:58,120 --> 00:01:58,880 Yeah. No, no. 43 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:00,280 No, now, now, yeah, OK. I'll give you that. 44 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:01,480 I think under. Yeah, sorry. 45 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,000 I thought I meant under Pardue like well. 46 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,920 Absolutely not. No, nobody liked. 47 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,680 Nobody likes to party, and that includes the Crystal Palace. 48 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,080 Spoiler Lewis really doesn't like party. 49 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,240 I don't. Know why we'll get into it maybe 50 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:16,200 but anyway, so we're talking about the 2016 FA Cup final. 51 00:02:16,920 --> 00:02:19,320 Manchester United were making their first FA Cup final 52 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:23,040 appearance since 2007. So we've obviously spoken a lot 53 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,800 over the last two episodes of Wenger and Arsenal and their 54 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:27,600 state of things. And it's funny really that we 55 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,560 haven't once really spoken about, you know, being pushed 56 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,920 or, or having a rival in the cup like Manchester United. 57 00:02:33,920 --> 00:02:35,480 So they haven't been there. So been. 58 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,440 No, but in a way they had a manager history that proved 59 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,520 that. Yeah, yeah, the opposite of the 60 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,760 Wenger kind of stick. Stick by the guy. 61 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,400 You know, I just kept trucking managers out and bringing the 62 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:46,560 managers. In yeah, exactly. 63 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,840 Hoping some would stick. So despite the poor season, 64 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,840 United entered as clear favourites in the most media 65 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:53,640 predictions. As you'd kind of imagine, even 66 00:02:53,640 --> 00:02:56,200 though United weren't anywhere in the cups, they'd been doing 67 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,000 OK in the league. So who was manager of United? 68 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,840 So it was Louis Van Hire. Louis Van Hire's Red Army 69 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,120 Queen's Park Raisins. I just love doing lady 70 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:08,360 saxophone. Big applause. 71 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:14,000 Every human being who is. Crept with the hair only with 72 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,520 with sex. Muscle casement then it is 73 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,200 allowed but not in other. Situations. 74 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,240 I just love my Louis Van Hal quote impressions. 75 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,160 But the key storyline here is that United, under manager Louis 76 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,640 Van Hal, had sought silverware amid league struggles. 77 00:03:30,640 --> 00:03:33,400 So in the League Cup they've been knocked out by middle. 78 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,840 So this is this season, 2016, they've been knocked out by 79 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:37,720 Middlesbrough on penalties in the fourth round. 80 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,240 In the League Cup they had been knocked down in Champions League 81 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,400 Group State each. They were in the Champions. 82 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:43,840 League they were in the Champions League, they got 83 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,800 knocked down the group stage. They were then demoted to the 84 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,800 Europa League, as was the way back then and they now they then 85 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,280 lost two rivals, Liverpool in the Europa League. 86 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,720 So it hadn't been very successful at all in the round 87 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:57,680 of 16. They finished fifth at the end 88 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,200 of the season outside the Champions League. 89 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,920 So it's kind of. Yeah, nowadays a successful in 90 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:04,720 it. Which is a crazy thing to say, 91 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:06,360 but yeah, you're not quite yeah. But. 92 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,520 Back then, this was seen as really kind of well, we're 93 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,440 still. It's the post Ferguson era, 94 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:13,760 isn't it? We're talking about three 95 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:15,160 seasons since he left after this. 96 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,399 So yeah. And it's there was more turmoil 97 00:04:18,399 --> 00:04:21,480 to come, which obviously history tells us, but they were only on 98 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,520 their second post, folks and manager, weren't they? 99 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,440 It was more he's then. More he's stand on hall, yeah. 100 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,160 Then they get Jose Marina we'll talk a little bit about and then 101 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:33,320 Solshar and then run it just. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 102 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,640 Absolutely ridiculous. But yeah, United, despite having 103 00:04:36,840 --> 00:04:39,560 huge history and it being in recent memory, that's the 104 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,360 difference between now and then, is United are faltering as they 105 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,640 are now. But this was, like you say, it 106 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,240 was so soon after Ferguson. It was like, at some point it 107 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,440 will click and United will become a giant again. 108 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,920 They will become a team. Certainly their fans expected 109 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:54,560 that, yeah. I think most people that have 110 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,360 grown up with United being the top team kind of assumed at some 111 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,440 point they would because they always. 112 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:00,320 Did. Yeah, exactly. 113 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,360 Obviously the main difference was Ferguson was no longer 114 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,960 there. Yeah, I mean, having grown up in 115 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,080 the 90s as a Liverpool fan, it was just you just got sick of 116 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,480 United being that kind of boogeyman. 117 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,640 And you just always thought like, it's like Freddy Krueger, 118 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,320 man, United were Freddy Krueger. It's like I'd shut my eyes, I'd 119 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,080 go to dream and actually it turned into a nightmare. 120 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:18,840 So we're like, oh, great, United have won again. 121 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,600 United have taken the lead again. 122 00:05:20,840 --> 00:05:23,800 And I just, yeah, I still have those flashbacks where I'm just 123 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:25,680 like, it will happen. United will just come back, 124 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:27,680 dominate. I think that relentlessness, the 125 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,200 ability we've talked about before on the podcast, that 126 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:30,800 relentlessness for Ferguson to recreate. 127 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:32,720 So, you know, Arsenal came along and he came back. 128 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:34,640 Chelsea came along and he came back. 129 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,320 It, you know, it was a bit kind of like how many times can the 130 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,960 guy reinvent the team? And I think because of that, it 131 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,280 didn't feel like, you know, when, you know, Chelsea had a 132 00:05:43,280 --> 00:05:45,800 couple of good seasons, you didn't think of Chelsea as 133 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:46,880 they'll. Always be good. 134 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,800 Whereas United, it's taken a while for a non United fan to 135 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,280 accept the fact that they aren't a top team. 136 00:05:53,280 --> 00:05:54,720 Yeah. Yeah, no, you're right. 137 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:58,080 And I still, I still consider them a top team because of the 138 00:05:58,080 --> 00:05:59,920 emotional scarring of being back. 139 00:05:59,920 --> 00:06:00,960 Yeah, maybe. Yeah, yeah. 140 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,280 I still can't accept that and it was proved right this season 141 00:06:04,280 --> 00:06:06,240 already, but when Liverpool played them I was like United 142 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,040 will beat us because even though we've had an incredible record. 143 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,800 But then none of us. But I doubt and we'd go back. 144 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,480 But I doubt the predictions any of us thought United were 145 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,600 finished top 4. No, no, I'm certain which. 146 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,200 Is a good indicator of this is actually what you think of the 147 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,960 team now, Yeah. And back in 2016, there was a 148 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:26,200 lot of disgruntled United supporters, mainly for the style 149 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:27,480 of football that Van Hal was doing. 150 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,280 A lot of crosses, a lot of fairly stodgy defensive play and 151 00:06:31,280 --> 00:06:33,120 there was still that sense of no, there's a United Way of 152 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,840 playing and this and the other to highlight that they had 49 153 00:06:36,840 --> 00:06:38,920 league goals, which was the clubs lowest in Premier League 154 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,000 history up until that point and anti Martial was their top 155 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:43,760 scorer in the league with 11 goals. 156 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,080 So kind of tells you where they're at end of the season, 157 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,360 their top striker, 11 goals. Palace, on the other hand, 158 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,920 managed by Alan Pardew. He's spoken about and he has 159 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:53,680 history in this competition. So I wanted he does. 160 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:55,560 Yeah. I wanted to be unbiased and give 161 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,640 a, a, a fair appraisal of where Alan Pardew was at. 162 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:02,120 So obviously a player in 1990 when Palace reached that first 163 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,040 over final which ironically they lost to Manchester United. 164 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:06,640 He scored in the semi don't. He did. 165 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,800 Scored the famous swimming goal against Liverpool. 166 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,640 He was manager for West Ham in the Gerrard final so he'd 167 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:16,080 managed to get to obviously 2 finals, 1 as a player, 1 as a 168 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:17,120 manager. Lost both. 169 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:19,880 Palace hoped to land their first major trophy in the club's 170 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,240 history, which they've now gone and done happens. 171 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,320 Well, not with Padre though. Nice. 172 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,600 Thank God we'd never hear the end of it would be. 173 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,800 But Palace started the league brilliantly at the start of this 174 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,360 2016 season, so they were fifth at Christmas. 175 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,400 But unfortunately things kind of went down from there. 176 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:37,840 Their form collapsed in the second-half of the season. 177 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:41,440 They went 14 games without a win between December and April. 178 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,600 So that's why despite United's kind of faltering position in 179 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,040 the league, that's why United were favourites, because the 180 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,400 momentum, well, I wouldn't say it was with United, but it 181 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,240 certainly wasn't with Palace anymore. 14 games without a win. 182 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:53,840 He did well to hang on, didn't he? 183 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,520 That's quite right, Agree. Yeah, I completely agree. 184 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,360 But yeah, maybe because they achieved in the first half first 185 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,840 kind of like, oh, maybe we've been unlucky etcetera, etcetera. 186 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,480 But yeah, 14 league games without a win is relegation form 187 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,160 really. But nevertheless they they kind 188 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,320 of managed to rally and just finished low to mid table. 189 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,400 But that's why Man United were favourites despite not being in 190 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,880 impeccable form. So in the ethic up itself, 191 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,800 Crystal Palace's path, just to kind of highlight who they've 192 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:22,840 beaten on route. They beat Southampton, they've 193 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,360 beaten Stoke, they've beaten Tottenham, Reading and then 194 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,240 Watford. So a mixed A. 195 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,920 Mixed No massive win there. Is no. 196 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,280 I mean, Tottenham has a cup team, not that that's really 197 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,480 been true in the 20 tenth. Yeah, it's not actually. 198 00:08:36,919 --> 00:08:37,480 Yeah. No. 199 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:39,120 So there's nobody. I suppose you could argue they 200 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:40,200 would have had Kane, wouldn't they? 201 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,720 At that point, yes, they would have done That's that's a bit of 202 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,440 a win. Yeah, they managed to to scrape 203 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,040 past Tottenham one nil. United's path, however, was 204 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,520 arguably even easier. So they had Sheffield United, 205 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:53,000 Derby County, Shrewsbury Town and they had to beat West Ham 206 00:08:53,560 --> 00:08:57,280 United in a replay. So they managed to win 21 away 207 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,120 after A1 all draw at home and then they be Everton 21 in the 208 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,000 semifinals. Giant killing, that is. 209 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,600 Well, some might say that not many. 210 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:06,520 In fact, you. I think the person opposite me 211 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,000 is the only person. I'm mocking my own team there. 212 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,200 It's a healthy thing to have if you're in everything. 213 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:16,480 So I just think it's interesting looking at the types of teams 214 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,600 that have made the finals in the last few episodes that we've 215 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,120 seen. So we've seen Wigan make a 216 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,840 final, we've seen the whole make a final, we've seen Aston Villa 217 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:24,240 make a final, we've seen Palace make a finals. 218 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,680 So there's kind of four or five years in a row where an 219 00:09:26,680 --> 00:09:32,000 unfavoured Top 14, yeah, yeah, not Top 14 has managed to play 220 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,160 off against a traditional. Do you think that's about 221 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:35,760 Europe? Interesting. 222 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,680 There was a lot more English teams involved in European 223 00:09:38,680 --> 00:09:40,880 competition. They would have prioritize 224 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:42,480 those, or at least not necessarily prioritize. 225 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,120 But by the time the FA Cup came around. 226 00:09:44,560 --> 00:09:45,920 They just got wasn't the priorities. 227 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,600 Well, if they were still in it and they're gonna you know, they 228 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,960 if you get through the pre Christmas Europe, you're in the 229 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,960 competition really, aren't you? You would be round 16, possibly 230 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,160 quarter finals. So when the FA Cup comes along, 231 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,760 you're like, well, we're in the quarter finals of this thing as 232 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,040 in the European competition, you might prioritize that. 233 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,400 And English teams typically do go quite far in European 234 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:06,560 competition. Yeah, certainly. 235 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:07,880 Yeah, No, that's a really good point. 236 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:09,160 Maybe that's what contributes to it. 237 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:10,920 I just thought it was interesting that we go through 238 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,200 this little phase of having this unfavoured team against a kind 239 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,240 of traditional giant. But with that, let's let's stop 240 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,600 talking about the context and get into the match itself. 241 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:28,240 Or added minutes and Gerard stunning. 242 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,720 I'll take a bow, son. I mean that take a bow, you have 243 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:34,920 been immense. So as the game kicked off, 244 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:36,720 United started far more assertively. 245 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,160 They were controlling possession and tempo with, and I don't know 246 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,200 if you'll remember this, but Wayne Rooney started central 247 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,360 midfield from Man United. I was just going to say this is 248 00:10:44,680 --> 00:10:46,720 near the end of Rooney but he is still there, isn't he? 249 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,720 Is yeah, and he, I think he even capped into the side on this 250 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:51,840 occasion, he. Yeah. 251 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,440 Yeah, very true. But he's starting center mid 31 252 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,600 years of age, which compared to the likes of Hurricane or 253 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:00,880 whatever like seems relatively young nowadays. 254 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,360 But I think it's fair to say Rooney, he wasn't the most 255 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,360 gifted physical footballer in terms of his. 256 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,040 He had to fight his body to yeah. 257 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,120 Definitely, it seems that way. Yeah, exactly. 258 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,640 To to get to the way, but also the way he played football, 259 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,160 health, leather, thrown his body into everything from the age of 260 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,480 16, playing men's football. I just think it took its toll, 261 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,120 saw kind of Rooney burn out a bit quicker than some of the 262 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,760 other players that maybe. I think it was generation, yeah, 263 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,600 he was 120% when he was, he was relentless to the way he played. 264 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,200 Whereas someone like a cane, I'm not saying he isn't physical, 265 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,160 but you know, it's probably easier for him to drift in and 266 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,560 out of games and make impact. Yeah, I guess you could argue 267 00:11:36,560 --> 00:11:39,120 the same with people like Gerard and you know Lampard, people 268 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,880 that keen even that people that were the engine room of their 269 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,440 teams probably didn't last as. Long, I mean, Lampard wasn't too 270 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:47,440 bad. I think Lampard got. 271 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,280 But again, it's fair to say that the last three years of his 272 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,280 career were not like the 15 that have gone. 273 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,600 But yeah, Gerard's legs kind of started to go and no, I think 274 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,640 you're right when you are the the core of your team. 275 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,240 But nevertheless, Rooney would play an important role in this 276 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,600 game. So he started to dictate the the 277 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,720 pace. However, Crystal Palace a little 278 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,040 bit like they do now we're known for their counter attacking. 279 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,920 So they had Wilfred Zaha, who back in this era of Crystal 280 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,480 Palace was their shining star. And then you had the hold up 281 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,160 play of a young colour Wickham, who was their kind of target man 282 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,680 striker, didn't really ever go on to achieve. 283 00:12:18,680 --> 00:12:20,560 Much because they're not thought about that name. 284 00:12:20,560 --> 00:12:23,760 No exactly. During the 1st 15 minutes United 285 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:25,840 dominated but they couldn't get any clear cut opportunities. 286 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,760 Can I, can I just check is this Pogba United? 287 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,320 Not quite yet. He would be signed from Juventus 288 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:32,960 the start of the next season. Yeah. 289 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,440 So Pogba isn't quite there yet. It's a very thin on the ground 290 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,080 United team. When you look at the kind of the 291 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,320 lineup, it's not particularly spectacular. 292 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:42,920 So it's Wilfred Zaha who led the counter attacks of Palace, 293 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:44,360 obviously with a massive point to prove. 294 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,600 He had signed for United a couple of seasons beforehand, 295 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,240 hadn't established himself at all there despite being a 296 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:51,680 mainstay in the Crystal Palace side. 297 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,080 So kind of his he had a point to prove and you can see he's very, 298 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,400 very busy in this final. Doesn't influence it as much as 299 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,760 maybe you'd hope for. Nevertheless, it's Zaha who is 300 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,320 the main creative outlook. And then a major flashpoint 301 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,320 happens. Wickham, Connor Wickham burst 302 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:08,120 through about 15-16 minutes in, shrugs off Chris Smalling, who 303 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,760 we will talk about a little bit later on, but nevertheless the 304 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,360 referee Klattenberg, So Mark Klattenberg. 305 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,400 Gladys does. Really. 306 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,880 Well, The thing is, he doesn't like the physical game back 307 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,560 then, I can tell you that now. So as Wickham shrugs off Chris 308 00:13:22,560 --> 00:13:25,640 Smalling, he manages to cut inside and he scores a really 309 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,840 good goal. However, he blown his whistle a 310 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,920 second earlier. People had stopped play in order 311 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,160 to give Crystal Palace the advantage, as in to give them 312 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,280 the free kick, when if he just allowed advantage, Palace would 313 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,520 have gone one nil up. Klattenberg at the end of the 314 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,800 game. Upon review, does upon review, 315 00:13:43,680 --> 00:13:46,760 it has been a judge that he kind of said, look, you won't go on 316 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:47,680 my. First whistle. 317 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:53,080 Chris Smallick, you will go on my second whistle. 318 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,040 A man. A man who loves himself. 319 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:57,520 He does. Yeah. 320 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,920 Yeah, he does. But nevertheless, he kind of 321 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:01,640 admitted that he made a few mistakes at the end of this 322 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:05,240 final, Which part of me is like, well, well done for fronting up, 323 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,480 but the other part of me is like, just stay quiet. 324 00:14:07,560 --> 00:14:10,160 Like, does it make Palace feel any better? 325 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:11,440 Referees can't win though, can they? 326 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,640 They can't win like when they when they come out and say treat 327 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,000 us like humans, they're like, you know how many mistakes you 328 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,000 making? It's like, well then don't ask. 329 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,560 Yeah, it's just a bit. They can't win. 330 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,840 It is literally a human being making a judgement in split 331 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:27,520 second time. Like I, I got a some refs annoy 332 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,560 me but I actually got quite a lot of sympathy for refs. 333 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:31,520 I it's thankless. I got to say, are you head of 334 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,720 the like refs? Thankless mate, it really is, 335 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,240 especially with the way that football's attitude is. 336 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,880 I think it's telling that no former football has ever become 337 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,000 refs ever, because that's the ultimate. 338 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,000 Like, why on earth would I ever put myself in the position of 339 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,120 what I've given to the refs over the years? 340 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,800 But nevertheless, it's a really poor piece of refereeing from 341 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:52,840 Klanberg, you've got to say. And if you watch the footage 342 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:53,880 back? He's an idiot mate. 343 00:14:55,480 --> 00:15:02,240 I mean, so unsurprisingly, Alan Padre kicks off. 344 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,400 But again, he's justified. I feel like this is my 345 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,040 reclamation project with Padre. I'm trying to give him credit 346 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,200 where credit's due. He does kick off because, 347 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,360 rightly, he can feel aggrieved. For the next kind of 10 minutes, 348 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:13,720 United start to find their rhythm. 349 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:15,200 So Anthony Martial, their top scorers. 350 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,760 We spoke about tests. Wayne Hennessy with a curling 351 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:19,800 effort. Fellaini starts to win his 352 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,480 aerial duty. Yeah, this is a strange Man 353 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,040 United squad. Starts to win his Aeroj. 354 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,200 What was that number 4? The guy is 7. 355 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:32,240 Foot 5 foot that his hair to be fair but nevertheless Fellaini 356 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,880 starts to throw his weight around a little bit Palace start 357 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,320 to sit back and look to counter attack. 358 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,560 As you'd expect the best chance of united half though comes not 359 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,240 long before the first end of the first half. 360 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,840 It's Juan matter. His low cross reaches Fellaini 6 361 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:47,200 yards out but unfortunately he's got the worst first touch in the 362 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,760 world and it bubbles over to Wayne Hennessy and it's like 363 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:51,840 this golden opportunity that you're like Matt has done the 364 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:53,600 hard work. Fellaini just a little bit of 365 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:57,480 quality, but it evades him with David Hayer, he'd barely been 366 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,480 troubled in the United goal. A Palace had kind of countered 367 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,280 through Jason Punch and Wilfred Zaha, but again, no clear cut 368 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,840 chances and the half finishes nil nil. 369 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:09,320 Quite drab, fairly kind of scripted in terms of you'd 370 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,320 expect United to dominate palace to counter attack, but at this 371 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,680 point it doesn't look like anyone really wants to to go 372 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:15,000 and. Win it. 373 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:16,880 That's interesting as well because we talked last week 374 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:20,200 about FA Cup finals that get to nil, nil and it was. 375 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,800 It was 4 wasn't for. The last 20 years or something 376 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:24,080 like that. So it's the fifth. 377 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:25,520 Yeah. Yeah, a bit strange. 378 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,680 Yeah, it's a bit unusual, but I guess the state of where these 379 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,400 both these teams were out. But it's different when it's 380 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:35,120 like, oh Arsenal, you know, you were a swaggering attacking 381 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,840 team, be less. It'd be more unusual for them to 382 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:39,800 be nil. Nil and probably incredibly 383 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,040 important for both teams to win. Yeah, as in the you know, not to 384 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,560 say Arsenal tournament didn't give a monkeys, but the the the 385 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,880 emphasis on these two teams to win this final was enormous. 386 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:51,920 Yeah, absolutely. From their, you know, from their 387 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:53,000 viewpoint. Yeah, of course. 388 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,200 So as the second-half begins, Palace start to press higher up, 389 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,440 they start to be a lot more aggressive and a bit more on the 390 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,160 front foot. Rooney however, starts to be 391 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,560 more aggressive from midfield and I don't just mean throwing 392 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,480 elbows, Phil Bosley knocking out style, but he does. 393 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,079 He just starts to be a lot more aggressive and you start to see 394 00:17:09,079 --> 00:17:12,400 the the kind of big game player that Rooney could be even in his 395 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,680 advancing years and in a a deeper position. 396 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,280 He starts to control the tempo of the game, starts to drive 397 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,119 United forward. So Marcus Rashford who had kind 398 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,640 of emerged under Van Hal, a very, very young Marcus 399 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,040 Rashford. He was the great hope of United. 400 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,440 He had kind of emerged. And to be fair to Van Hal, there 401 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,000 are a few youngsters that got their starts with him and he 402 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:32,400 kind of trusted the youth quite a bit. 403 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,360 And Rashford is one of the few kind of bright sparks that you 404 00:17:35,360 --> 00:17:37,640 look back on Van Hal's time and go, OK, he looked after 405 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,960 Rashford, promoted him. He brought him in, however, as 406 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,000 Flashford. Flashford Hey. 407 00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:45,560 Marcus Marcus Flashford great player. 408 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:47,960 Yeah, he's not, not as consistent as we like, but I 409 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:49,960 tell you what, he's got a lovely bit of skill in him when he 410 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:51,320 wants it. Marcus Flashford. 411 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:58,840 Marcus Rashford flashes across the across, across goal. 412 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,280 I can't do this or something. I've only recently recovered 413 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:02,400 from a bug. We'll blame it on that. 414 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:05,720 You won't see them or hear them, but they might. 415 00:18:06,120 --> 00:18:09,240 Mistakes Lewis is making today. Isn't so It's great editing. 416 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,520 It's great editing, right? Let's see if I can get this out 417 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,640 in one go. Marcus Rashford flashed a cross 418 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,200 across goal. I mean, you've written. 419 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:18,680 Yeah, you've written a really difficult sentence. 420 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,760 There we go. The arsonist had oddly shaped 421 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,680 feet. The Human Torch was denied a 422 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,760 bank loan. Marcus Rashford flashed across 423 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,920 across goal where Marshall's header hit the inside of the 424 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:30,600 post. So United go very close to 425 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,720 breaking the deadlock. Unfortunately denied by the 426 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,520 woodwork. United start to increase the 427 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,320 pressure, though, starting to get past the hour mark. 428 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:40,080 Fellaini's chest control sets him up for a really good volley 429 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,920 that smashes off the crossbar. So United to start over him. 430 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:43,960 Yeah. And they're starting to think, 431 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:45,680 you know, is this going to be our day or not? 432 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,320 Is this one of these cursed games where you've got all the 433 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,440 pressure, you're not taking your chances, are you? 434 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:54,600 Kind of going to suffer. And the answer is yes, albeit 435 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,600 briefly. So 72 minutes in against the run 436 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,640 play, Palace end up striking first so Jason Puncher of. 437 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,840 Course. Just on for Yoan Kabai latches 438 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:05,520 onto Delaney loop pass on the back post. 439 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,960 He controls it really well on his chest, smashes a shot high 440 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,880 and pretty venomously past David to hair and goal, gives Palace 441 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:14,760 the lead. The crowd go mental. 442 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,440 The players go mental. Alan Pardew turns directly to 443 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,000 the camera. He makes eye contact. 444 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,760 Is he the camera? He looks at the middle-aged 445 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,840 married women looking at home. He's beams into their lounge and 446 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,760 he does the cringes dad dance in the world and it is just 447 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:31,720 horrendous. And what's terrible, part of why 448 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:35,800 I hate Pardue so much is what an incredible historic moment for 449 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:37,840 this club. Yeah, they've got one up against 450 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:39,640 you like they've never won a trophy in their life. 451 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,400 It's latish in the game and you think there's a real chance they 452 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,120 go on and win this. What does Pardue do? 453 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,920 Make it about himself? I can't stand the blow. 454 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:48,920 Do you think the Palace players through the game because they're 455 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:49,840 alive? We win this. 456 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,520 Yeah. That's all you'll see. 457 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,360 Yeah, For the rest of time. They they are fans of football 458 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:56,640 first and foremost, fans of Palace second. 459 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,520 They thought, lads, we've got to do this for the sake of 460 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:00,680 football. It's just not good enough. 461 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,120 It's just outrageous. It'd be a crime against humanity 462 00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:05,920 if pardon was in the Hall of Fame for forgiven that dance. 463 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,720 But nevertheless, because there's the thing, surely, I 464 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,280 know I'm going to rant, but surely you would get lost in the 465 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:16,400 passion of the moment like. It just seems a bit like as he 466 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,000 arranged to do that. Yeah, as he thought that laugh. 467 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,680 We go on and off. I'm going to like rub it in 468 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,360 their face or something like that. 469 00:20:22,360 --> 00:20:25,960 But despite the fact that I am very clearly a Liverpool fan, I 470 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,600 have no desire to see Man United happy. 471 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:33,200 I was a little bit happy that only three minutes later United 472 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,760 would equalise. So United end up hitting back. 473 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,640 It's Wayne Rooney, picks up the ball in the halfway line, surges 474 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,360 past 3 Crystal Palace players, does really, really well. 475 00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:43,640 Just rides at them. Yeah, absolutely. 476 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:45,800 And it even at 31, you're like what? 477 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,280 A player he starts drive past and he gets driven just to the 478 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,880 kind of right hand side of the six yard box and chips a really 479 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,240 delightful cross to the back post. 480 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,040 Who's there? Marian Fellaini, who chests the 481 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,320 ball and do you think he's going to set him up for a volley? 482 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,200 But as the ball rolls off his chest, Juan Matter comes in on 483 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,400 the left hand side, strikes a shot that gets slightly 484 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,560 deflected. But nevertheless, Juan Matter 485 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,200 scores from A really well worked. 486 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,600 Rooney, he's a good player. Yeah, yeah, me too. 487 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,760 And he gets he gets united back in the game only three minutes 488 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,480 later. Palace and Pardews. 489 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,000 Joy I. Do not dance in that. 490 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:17,240 Well, he can only last three minutes. 491 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,640 That's what I've heard, but I won't tell you what source I've 492 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,440 heard that from. I don't wanna know where you 493 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:24,960 read that from. Yeah, the less we talk about 494 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:26,680 party and his 3 minutes the better. 495 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,440 The less we talk about party, half this podcast has been to 496 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,120 right party. How's he taking up the airwaves 497 00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:34,840 still? I'm just part of his game. 498 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,080 He's pulling the strings. He's the puppet master. 499 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,960 But the last five minutes of normal time are fairly 500 00:21:42,120 --> 00:21:43,640 uneventful. Michael Carrick gets brought on 501 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,000 for Man United again towards the end of his career. 502 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:47,880 To try and say brought on, why was he on there? 503 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,120 Yeah, he's coming up towards the end of his career, but it means 504 00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:54,000 that extra time beckoned so Rashford would go off injured 505 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,320 earlier. I mean, Flashford, Flashford, 506 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,000 Flashford was not doing any more step overs this game. 507 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,680 No more of honors. He's been taking off and it's a 508 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,480 young again, a young Jesse Lingard. 509 00:22:05,120 --> 00:22:06,480 People. Absolutely. 510 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,360 Yeah, Jesse Lingard. So United started to show their 511 00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:11,480 tenacity and they started to kind of turn the screw a little 512 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,160 bit in the second, in the extra time. 513 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,520 Sorry. Fellaini continued to dominate, 514 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,760 as you'd expect. He's really quite focal in this, 515 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,880 which is strange because. He was that kind of player, 516 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:20,800 though. Weren't he, let's say. 517 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,920 I think him and someone like Scott Mctominay were really good 518 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,680 players in the United squad that was really suffering. 519 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,240 And I think that that's so Macdominy. 520 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,560 But certainly Fellaini, because the way he looked and he'd come 521 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,360 from Everton as a Moy signing, yeah, was kind of ridiculed. 522 00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:38,280 But Fellaini and Macdominy were actually really important for 523 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:39,480 United and. They were. 524 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:40,800 Rather, they weren't the problem. 525 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,200 No, absolutely. Yeah. 526 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,440 And yet they were easily kind of pinpointed when actually it's 527 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,800 like, hold on, we've seen now they definitely weren't. 528 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,880 They were kind of play as you needed, maybe not the ones that 529 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,400 you associate with United, but what they needed at the time. 530 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,480 Yeah, yeah, yeah. However, 105 minutes in, so 531 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,880 right at the end of the first half of extra time, Chris 532 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,320 Smallink had already been booked. 533 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,000 Halls down, Yannick Bellassi to stop a counter attack and gets 534 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,680 his second yellow card. So a red card, so we're 535 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:06,720 covering. Loads of them in there. 536 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,080 Yeah, it's like London buses. You don't get one for ages and 537 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,520 then all of a sudden they come along at the same time. 538 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,320 It must have been one in the 1st 90 years of this competition and 539 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,080 now that's up to 5 or 6. Nice. 540 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:16,720 Crazy. Yeah, absolutely ridiculous. 541 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,640 So United down to 10 men with the second-half of extra time 542 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,360 left. However, with Palace pushing 543 00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:24,920 forward because they knew they they kind of had the advantage. 544 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,680 Now everyone's knackered, you've literally got 10 minutes to win 545 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,520 the game. Palace With the younger squad, 546 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,320 Palace were the kind of relying on their speed and were trying 547 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:33,760 to use their energy to their advantage. 548 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,440 The ball broke loose inside the box after it was cleared. 549 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,880 However, Jesse Lingard reacts quickest. 550 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,400 He meets it first time on the half volley, A thunderous 551 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,800 strike. It's a really good goal, it's 552 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,240 worthy of winning an FA Cup. Ten men are striving for a good 553 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,880 breakthrough here. They've got it, Jesse Lingard, 554 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:59,200 with a dumping goal. History before your very eyes. 555 00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:03,440 Jesse Lingard, who again, through happenstance happens to 556 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:04,960 be there because Flashford got injured. 557 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,120 You do wonder, like, yeah, I don't know. 558 00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:10,080 I think This is why we love looking back at these finals 559 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,200 because there's so many like domino moments of butterfly 560 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,280 effects, like if Russia doesn't get injured, do. 561 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,280 Does Lingard get this moment? Exactly. 562 00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:21,120 Or actually, do Palace end up kind of nipping, nicking it and 563 00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:24,440 then things change and Padre stays on as Palace manager and 564 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,280 becomes England manager and England in the World Cup? 565 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,680 It's a funny one with Jesselyn Garden because he was, he was 566 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,680 like of such a mainstage, certainly of that early. 567 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,080 Southgate era, massively so. And then he just, I guess he 568 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:37,640 screwed it up. I can only I don't know. 569 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,840 I think there's a lot of off the pitch issues, not like scandal 570 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,800 necessarily, but I think he he just. 571 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,520 Just wasn't focused. Yeah, that's what exactly. 572 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:46,600 Yeah, that's what seems. Come along. 573 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,560 He kind of is interested in his fashion, interested in other 574 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,360 avenues outside of football. And I think he just kind of fell 575 00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:54,560 out of love with the game. By all accounts, he seems to be 576 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:55,800 enjoying himself in South Korea now. 577 00:24:56,360 --> 00:24:59,720 But but yeah, nevertheless, it's it's a bit sad to see where 578 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,360 Lingard's ended up. He's of that generation of Deli 579 00:25:02,360 --> 00:25:03,440 Alli. And I know there were much 580 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,960 different reasons for that, but he's kind of before Eric Dyer 581 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,040 joined Monaco, he looked like he was going the same way. 582 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,200 But actually there's kind of yeah, Ross Barkley like that era 583 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,760 where there was a lot of players in the similar England sports 584 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,600 Fabian Delphi spoke about last episode that didn't quite kick 585 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,800 on and and achieve their full potential. 586 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,920 But nevertheless, he'll always have this moment to look back on 587 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,000 it. So scores an incredible goal, 588 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,240 pure instinct, the technique. Wembley was stunned. 589 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,280 United's bench explodes and United go on to lift the FA Cup 590 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:35,240 trophy. Well, you have. 591 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:39,680 Just witnessed 90 of the most. Gripping minutes of European 592 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,080 football you'll ever. I've ever seen the good. 593 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,440 News is there's more to come, so an extra time is worth noting. 594 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,480 Just a few talking that extra time of our podcast, not the 595 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,760 game. Of course, it's worth knowing 596 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,400 Wayne Rooney, Man United captain, was given man of the 597 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:55,760 match. Does he lift the cup? 598 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,520 Yeah. Well, is him and Carrick a 599 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,200 joint? Obviously Carrick came on as a 600 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,040 sub. I think like you said earlier or 601 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:02,880 mentioned earlier, it's difficult to think of who else 602 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,000 would have been Man United captain at the time, because 603 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,920 those two are really the kind of the veterans and the people that 604 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,160 were withholding. Well, holding the changing room 605 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:11,720 together. Really. 606 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,120 Yeah, exactly. What you read about now? 607 00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:16,160 But yeah man, the match at that age is pretty decent. 608 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,560 Yeah, absolutely. And he was kind of just, yeah, 609 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,400 still proving that he had it. That winning the FA Cup, 610 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,520 however, wasn't good enough to save Louis Van Hal his job. 611 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,200 Oh, another manager. Another manager post final. 612 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,000 Absolutely. So yeah, like Mancini, who we 613 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,720 spoke about previously for Man City, Van Hal was sacked 2 days 614 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,920 later, with Jose Mourinho being appointed shortly afterwards. 615 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,760 So it seems as though, yeah. I remember that. 616 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,680 I felt like that was a lot to do with the fact Mourinho was 617 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,880 available. Yeah, rather than they. 618 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,840 I think if Mourinho hadn't been available, I think Van Hal maybe 619 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,120 would have stayed I. Think you're right in terms of 620 00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:49,720 they, man, I'd still wanted the big name manager. 621 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,480 They needed somebody that had kind of a heavyweight 622 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:53,200 reputation. Yeah. 623 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,560 The only thing was the fans were really unhappy with Van Hal and 624 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,240 I think, I wonder if that would have broken the camel's back 625 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,320 regardless, because the lack of attacking football, the lack of 626 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,760 goals, but nevertheless, they've still got silverware to show for 627 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:06,080 it. Yeah. 628 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,240 But yeah, the rumours are that Van Hall was told immediately 629 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,520 after lifting the cup that he was told that he wouldn't have 630 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:13,400 his. Cup What is wrong with the 631 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:14,600 people that run these football clubs? 632 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,520 It's crazy but it was announced publicly 2 days later with Jose 633 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,800 Mourinho being pointed. So Chris Malling we mentioned 634 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,720 this became only the 4th player ever to be sent off in an FA Cup 635 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,600 final. So United had a record they 636 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,920 probably weren't that proud of, which is their only club to ever 637 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,840 have two players sent off in an FA Cup final. 638 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,080 Yeah, Man City had had one. Different FA Cup final, it's not 639 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:33,520 the second. One. 640 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,800 Yeah, yeah, I didn't get that. 40 years apart. 641 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,960 It's a really long final, the replays and the replays and the 642 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,320 replays. But referee Mark Klanberg, as I 643 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,240 said, admitted that he made a couple of errors in the match 644 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,160 regarding some of the advantage decisions, meaning one, it was 645 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:48,760 the Conor Wickham early goal. Yeah. 646 00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:51,360 And here's an interesting tidbit of information. 647 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,240 Just to finish. So 24 people have managed and 648 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,840 played in an FA Cup final. Managed and played in an FA Cup 649 00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,560 final. Do you want to guess some of 650 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,520 them? I'm not going to ask you to get. 651 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,320 Yeah, I'll be impressed if you can get 5. 652 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,520 Yeah, Glenn Hoddle. Correct. 653 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:06,960 Don't forget that moment, do you mate? 654 00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:13,960 Absolutely not. Glenn Hoddle Are they quite old 655 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,880 school or? Some of them, they're big names, 656 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,560 there's very few here that you wouldn't recognise. 657 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,240 Padju. Correct you. 658 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:26,560 Must love that Padju is Lampard. Correct. 659 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:27,440 Has he? Yes. 660 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,040 It's in there. You've done very well. 661 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,840 Three from three so far. There's an Everton link. 662 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,960 The Royal. Yes, there's another Everton 663 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:43,400 link that wasn't the one I was. Thinking oh, OK, Ferguson. 664 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,440 No, no, no, I don't know it. Is maybe, maybe I'm 665 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,200 misremembering Howard Kendall. Howard Kendall. 666 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:50,040 You, oh, you must have played as. 667 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,400 Yeah, yeah, fair enough. Yeah, yeah. 668 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:53,680 Just trying to think of a couple more. 669 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,960 One is an England England legend and featured for Man United. 670 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,840 What's the say, Steve Bruce? He would have managed 671 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,080 Middlesbrough half in, a suit, half in. 672 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:04,800 Oh, Brian Robson. Brian Robson? 673 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,240 Yeah, that's the most obvious 1, isn't it? 674 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,080 Absolutely. So a few more to add to this 675 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,800 list. So Gianluca Viale, Roberto De 676 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,520 Matteo, Mikhail Arteta, Barry, Bobby Gould. 677 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,840 Sorry, Matt Busby, Bill Shankly, Don Revi, Kenny Dalglish, Terry 678 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,400 Venables and that there are some others that aren't kind of 679 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:21,280 recognisable. Yeah. 680 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,840 I just thought that's a really interesting list of managers 681 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,080 that is. And so many of them are actually 682 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,200 like fairly modern day. I just thought I was interesting 683 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:34,080 seeing the likes of Michael Arteta, Frank Lampard, Di Mateo. 684 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,640 If you were a player manager, do you instantly get that record 685 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,280 that? I guess you, yeah, I guess you 686 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,120 would can. You turn up once. 687 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,400 Yeah, exactly. He was always efficient. 688 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,040 That's why he was such a successful manager. 689 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,560 He. Got the record done in one day. 690 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,440 He gained the system. He knew what he was doing, so 691 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,560 yeah, United ended up lifting the FA Cup trophy to try and 692 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,040 take their record back from Arsenal for the most wins, yes, 693 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,400 and we will see whether that trend continues in the 2017 FA 694 00:29:58,400 --> 00:29:58,960 Cup final.