1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:02,480 Hello, Daddy's home. What an amazing. 2 00:00:11,120 --> 00:00:15,000 You just cannot write scripts like this. 3 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:19,600 Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to The Final Countdown, the 4 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:21,640 podcast looking back at great finals within the game of 5 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:23,360 football. I'm Lewis here, my Co host Adam. 6 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:24,920 Hello, can I just. Say here we go. 7 00:00:25,080 --> 00:00:27,240 I listened to last week's podcast. 8 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:31,560 Yeah, the the intro when I interrupted you, it's my 9 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,120 favorite evidence. Still giving you the giggles? 10 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:35,920 A week later, it made me laugh. Yeah. 11 00:00:36,480 --> 00:00:39,400 And I I took everything within me then to not do it again. 12 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,920 Maybe it could become our thing, a calling card of the the 13 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:45,760 interruption and banterous nature of our. 14 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:46,880 You think I should do it? Shouldn't. 15 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:48,920 No, I think you should it. It can be a thing you. 16 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:50,840 Don't want to repeat the same joke, you know. 17 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:52,920 Yeah, totally. Yeah, that would definitely not 18 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:54,960 be something that we do. And listeners to this podcast 19 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,480 will definitely think they don't repeat the same jokes again and 20 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:03,120 again and again some time later. Yeah, having derailed the intro, 21 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,960 let's get straight into it. So again, we're we're sticking 22 00:01:05,960 --> 00:01:08,720 with the FA Cup finals. And you did text me saying that 23 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:10,240 this is Bill Gates. I did. 24 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,320 And you didn't get it. No, I was very confused. 25 00:01:12,320 --> 00:01:14,680 I thought, what's Bill Gates got to do with the FA Cup finals? 26 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:16,600 Yes. Yes, it's a very, that was a 27 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:20,960 very good, very good segue to get me interested and to whet my 28 00:01:20,960 --> 00:01:23,160 appetite for I. Also thought your reply of that 29 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,000 is Susan Perv. Oh, Susan Perv. 30 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,280 She's great. Noah. 31 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:28,720 Well. Took me a while. 32 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,000 Yeah, we are 2013. I didn't realize this was the 33 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:33,040 cup final. It is. 34 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:34,960 This is one of the few, if I'm honest. 35 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,560 I'll be honest, please. This is one of the few cup 36 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,120 finals from the 20 tens I remember. 37 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,320 Yeah, no, I can get that. I do understand. 38 00:01:41,320 --> 00:01:44,200 They're all a little bit blurry. I remember Leicester because it 39 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,680 was quite significant and I remember this one. 40 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,360 And if I'm honest, the other ones are kind of like, Oh yeah. 41 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,520 Once you hear who's in the final, it kind of goes. 42 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,040 I think I remember some things about that, but. 43 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,520 This one did grab my attention when it happened. 44 00:01:55,760 --> 00:02:01,720 So yes, cast your mind back to 2013, the 132nd FA Cup finals. 45 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:03,720 So much heritage. It is so much history. 46 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,360 It's worth saying as well, I don't know how many times we've 47 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,120 said this on the pod, but it is the oldest cup competition in 48 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,840 the world. Yeah, and that made me think. 49 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,480 I wonder what the second is. Is it the sorry? 50 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:15,680 The coup. De. 51 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,280 France. The English FA Cup was 1871. 52 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,880 Wow. The next oldest cup competition 53 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,680 started in 1873. Oh, OK, very close. 54 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:25,520 Yeah, I was going to guess the coup de France. 55 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,840 It's not France, no. It is kind of obvious when I say 56 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:28,920 it. The Scottish Cup final. 57 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,880 Oh yeah, that's very obvious. Yeah, I see football invented in 58 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:33,000 this country. Absolutely. 59 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:34,160 And the Scots? Will have a bit of that. 60 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:35,480 Yeah, exactly. Tried to copy us. 61 00:02:35,640 --> 00:02:38,120 Yeah, it's it's not worked out well for them, let's be honest. 62 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:43,040 Well, 1873 it was Celtic versus Rangers. 8074 SO. 63 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,960 I've no idea if it was, I did love that, but that that would 64 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,840 be absolutely classic if it was anyway. 65 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,040 And all that time since 1871. So this sets us up nicely. 66 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,000 And this is a bit random if you don't know who's in the final 67 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,800 Wigan Athletic. Oh wow. 68 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:03,120 Had never reached a cup final in 132 attempts, yeah, And 69 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:05,960 therefore they'd obviously never won a cup final. 70 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,880 And that is not just FA Cup final, that is any any cup 71 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:10,400 final. But obviously we're looking at 72 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,320 FA Cup final. So that that made me then think 73 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,480 and I went off on another sure digression. 74 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,360 How many kind of heavyweight teams? 75 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,600 So not like, you know, Dagenham and Redbridge, but how many 76 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,440 heavyweight teams have never won an FA Cup? 77 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,440 Oh that is good so. I thought it was quite 78 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:26,800 interesting. So here's the list. 79 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:28,240 OK, go for it. And I can also tell you if you 80 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:33,360 want to know the closest they've come and who they lost to so. 81 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,640 You've done your homework today. You've got receipts for all of. 82 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,840 Us I like it table I've found. Thank you Internet. 83 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,040 Copy the paste, doing the work. It is interesting. 84 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,000 So teams have never won and some of these are like what? 85 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,920 Birmingham City. Yeah, I knew that one. 86 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,080 Which is quite strange being it's a major city. 87 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,240 Yeah, of course. Second City, Bournemouth, which 88 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:54,320 second in the Premier League now. 89 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,440 Well, I was about to say Bournemouth, you kind of could 90 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,520 be convinced and go, do you remember when they won it in 91 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,880 2022 and you kind of go? Oh yeah, sure. 92 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:03,320 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you think Bournemouth 93 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,000 haven't been a big club for a long time really. 94 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:06,840 They haven't, and in fairness, the best they've ever got is 95 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,440 quarter finals. I still feel my thoughts 3. 96 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,480 Three times. That's three times in 132. 97 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:13,960 True, true. Yeah. 98 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:18,760 Brentford, yeah, Brighton, which I thought was interesting. 99 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,680 Like four of these teams here are kind of like Premier League, 100 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:26,040 Middle of the Road Runners now. Well, it's because also I'll add 101 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,200 in Fulham. Yeah, OK, so Fulham I don't 102 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,760 think of ever, barring the Championship have ever won any 103 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,400 kind of trophy. It's not just cups or yeah. 104 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:37,160 So they they somehow are a very, very established club in the 105 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,520 best league in the world and yet they have no nothing in their 106 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,440 trophy cabinet really other than Championship title, maybe a 107 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,600 couple. But yeah, interestingly, I think 108 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,560 it's coming more into the spotlight now because of the 109 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,120 success of Newcastle in the League Cup. 110 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:54,720 But I do think that I'm Crystal Palace in Africa. 111 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:56,720 Well, Palace were on this list until last year, yeah. 112 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:58,800 Yeah. And I just think it's kind of 113 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:03,800 been disregarded I think by a lot of those mid level Premier 114 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,880 League clubs as a kind of, we'd rather try and push to get into 115 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,800 Europe and focus on a cup run. But I do think that will start 116 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,800 to change with Newcastle, with Crystal Palace, where people are 117 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:17,240 seeing these mid level clubs have their day in the sun, have 118 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,360 this incredible moment that the fans will never. 119 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,320 Think it's a special day? Yeah, Both Palace and Newcastle 120 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,520 last year it was it. You'll remember those ones 121 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:25,800 exactly. Fans obviously will. 122 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:27,680 Yeah. And I just think like for 123 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,120 Bournemouth, obviously they're doing incredibly well at the 124 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:31,880 start of this year, although they did last year as well and 125 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,320 dropped off a little bit. But but I reckon if you ask 126 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,560 their fans, you know, would you care about the difference 127 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,200 between a Europa League, Europa Conference League position or 128 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:41,640 finishing two points outside of Europe? 129 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,360 But having won their FA Cup, I do, I genuinely think you take 130 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:44,920 the FA Cup. I. 131 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:46,720 Think they will. I think fans would, yeah. 132 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:48,560 I don't think business. No club would. 133 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,080 That's the problem. Yeah, exactly. 134 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,080 And I do wonder because sometimes managers will very 135 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:54,680 obviously prefer the league to the cup. 136 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,760 And you think, but as Bournemouth, maybe maybe not a 137 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,320 good example because I'm sure they were trying, but that sense 138 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:01,640 of like we've made it to the quarter finals. 139 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:05,320 We're two games away here, a coin toss of of getting into 140 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,280 either Europe or winning a trophy. 141 00:06:07,280 --> 00:06:10,080 And you just kind of think just go for it a bit more like Fulham 142 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,880 should really, because let's face it, Fulham will finish 143 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,040 somewhere between 12th and 8th. So you just. 144 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:16,320 Think. And they're quite established 145 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,040 there, yeah. And on their day they've got 146 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,040 some very good players and you just think just surely put all 147 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,120 your eggs in a cup basket. And just really try for them. 148 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:24,320 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Right. 149 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,360 I mean, I guess it depends, you know when you know when the 150 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,400 fourth round drops and who they've got that week and 151 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,640 there's an element of circumstantial about it. 152 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:35,000 But it is interesting that 4 pretty settled Premier League 153 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,240 clubs, Bournemouth, Brentford, Brighton, Fulham have never won 154 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,880 an FA Cup. Brighton and Fulham have been 155 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,640 runners up. Yeah, 83 for Brighton, which 156 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,840 we've covered 75. West Ham beat them, right? 157 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:49,480 That's the closest Fulham I've ever got. 158 00:06:49,840 --> 00:06:53,520 But Brentford and Bournemouth, quarter finals, Yeah, 132 years, 159 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,080 quarter finals. Best they've ever done. 160 00:06:55,280 --> 00:06:57,320 And you think Brentford have been established for a long time 161 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:58,840 now and probably am Bournemouth, to be fair. 162 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:00,600 Yeah, you just. But I agree with you. 163 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,240 A lot of it is about the luck of the draw, which I'll focus on in 164 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:07,040 my report next week. But yeah, I I do Teaser. 165 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,160 Oh yeah, narrative. Just. 166 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,080 Just to finish off this list, there's not some, I mean, some 167 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:13,920 of these are like, well, these were big clubs back in the 168 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:15,880 Panini sticker days. Oh yes, now you're talking my 169 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,080 language. Hull City, Luton Town, 170 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:22,040 Middlesbrough, Norwich, QPR. Middlesbrough and QPR surprised 171 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:23,080 me. Yeah, Middlesbrough, I would 172 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,760 have thought somewhere. They would have run us up in 97. 173 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:27,360 Yeah, yeah. When they probably had their 174 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,440 best shot with Ravinelli and and Giannini and. 175 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:31,280 Then they got relegated, didn't they, the year after? 176 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:33,440 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 177 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:35,640 And yeah, we'll come back to. That's an interesting point, 178 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,120 QPR, Reading, Stoke, which is kind of well documented that 179 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,760 they've never won anything. Swansea semifinals twice and 180 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,000 Watford runners up twice. Watford. 181 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,080 Yeah, you would have thought in the Graham Taylor days. 182 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:52,400 Yeah, well that was 84 runners up to Everton and then 20, I 183 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,400 forgot this 2019 the runners up to Man City. 184 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,280 Oh yeah. But we don't, we don't. 185 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,080 Well, I mean, we will talk about it, but for Watford they will 186 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,280 probably send us in some some money to make sure that we don't 187 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,480 talk about that final too much. Yeah, I mean, they came up 188 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,160 against Juggernaut didn't. They they did. 189 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,240 Yeah, it was. It was very much like, hey, my 190 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:10,960 14 year old's just getting into boxing. 191 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,520 Have you got Muhammad Ali to come and smile with him? 192 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:15,160 It's. Probably. 193 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:16,400 Probably not the match up you wanted. 194 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,440 Yeah, true enough. So all that to say that the 2013 195 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:25,000 FA Cup final, Wigan had a big day, yeah, because they made the 196 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:26,760 final. Now that you said Wigan, I 197 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,120 obviously think of the commentary sting that we drop in 198 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,720 often of the the Ben Watson goal and the celebration which I'm 199 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:33,640 sure you'll get into. Yeah. 200 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,799 But again, I'm with you that there is something very 201 00:08:36,799 --> 00:08:40,120 memorable about this cup final. Having said that, I remember the 202 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:41,559 moment. I don't remember much of the 203 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:42,840 final so I'm looking forward to hearing about. 204 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,840 It well, I mean, yeah, you're in terms of like the story it is 205 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,960 mainly about that 81st minute winner is. 206 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,840 That is that 81st minute. I thought it was much later than 207 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:53,920 that. Very interesting. 208 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,280 No, sorry, 81st minute is when he comes on, right? 209 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,160 Sorry, yeah, I got confused there. 81st because we're 210 00:08:58,160 --> 00:08:59,120 jumping ahead and I'm not there yet. 211 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,280 Sorry. 81st minute is where Ben Watson comes on. 212 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,080 But you're right, first minute of injury time. 213 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:07,080 Yeah well was the actual goal. So to go back a little bit and 214 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,360 set it up for us. So it's much more meaningful. 215 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,480 Meaningful for you non Wigan fans. 216 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,760 It was a big day out for Wigan, but also for chairman Dave 217 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,640 Whelan. So Dave Whelan was the chairman 218 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,960 of Wigan, he was the DW Sports, which I also think was JJB 219 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:23,080 Sports at 1:00. Point. 220 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,560 Yeah, that sounds about. Right, he was the head honcho. 221 00:09:25,560 --> 00:09:28,200 He bought the club in 1995. I didn't realise this. 222 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,160 We're going to been non league until 78. 223 00:09:30,560 --> 00:09:32,160 I didn't know. That so they, they, you know, in 224 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,520 terms of like 132 years of trying, Well, not really. 225 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,920 Yeah, sure. They they weren't a actual 226 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:41,120 professional club until 1978. They're kind of like hovered 227 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,200 around the lower leagues up until 95 when Dave Wheeling came 228 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,960 in and bought his hometown club and it kind of changed 229 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,880 completely. I think him, and I'm thinking of 230 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:56,000 like Steve Gibson and Majeski at Reading, those kind of local, 231 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:57,920 you will never get that. Jack Walker. 232 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,480 Jack Walker, Yeah, exactly. Those local owners that are able 233 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,400 to, at the right moment, take over the club, invest in the 234 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,080 right areas and see that rise, that must be a dream come true 235 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:08,240 for them. That's kind of thing where it's 236 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,040 like if me and you won the lottery and we've got like, oh, 237 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,480 we've got £400 million, yeah, all by Western. 238 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,320 See what we can do. Even that I mean how far would 239 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:15,800 that? Go well. 240 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:17,600 Well, this is it. Yeah, No, totally. 241 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,520 It's it's it's a bygone era now. However, that's ultimately I 242 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,200 think what the fans would prefer rather than being owned by state 243 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,440 or owned by. Yeah, they just hedge fund. 244 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,160 I don't think the individual. Has them. 245 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,440 No, no, you're absolutely right. It will never happen. 246 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,720 Again, unless Abramovich buys his local club. 247 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:34,920 Well, interesting if we can. No, that's not. 248 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:35,960 Good. No, that's not good. 249 00:10:36,560 --> 00:10:39,600 So anyway, Dave Whelan was from a different era in a way. 250 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,520 So a fan of Wigan all his life, he actually played for Wigan. 251 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,800 And this is where it sets up. And if you remember this kind of 252 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:49,560 the whole story of Dave Whelan and why it was so synonymous 253 00:10:49,560 --> 00:10:52,200 with him and what happened here under his leadership as 254 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,640 chairman, Wigan grew as a club and it peaked, really did peak. 255 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,800 And we'll come back to that in the cup run of 2013. 256 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,760 But rewind 53 years. Wow. 257 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,120 So the FA Cup final between Blackburn Rovers and Wolves. 258 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,440 Dave Whelan suffered a horrific leg break shortly before half 259 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:07,960 time. Wow. 260 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,000 Playing in the cup final, not just in the stands. 261 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,160 Yeah, sure. He's really jumping up and down 262 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,400 celebrating, but I had no idea he was a player. 263 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,200 That's really interesting. So when he regained 264 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,240 consciousness, bad leg break, he learned his team had lost three 265 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,000 nil. So he played for Blackburn and 266 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,480 his and the trophy was on its way back to Molyneux. 267 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:24,880 And that would have been the time when there were no 268 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,040 substitutes, so him breaking his leg would have been Blackburn. 269 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,360 Now that's ten men and that is horrific. 270 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,160 What a what a double whammy of breaking your leg and the cup 271 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,160 high. So a lot of people from reading 272 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,040 about Dave Williams, I mean, it's obviously limited amount, 273 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,840 but Dave Williams career never really recovered from that 274 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:41,040 point. He was never the same player 275 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,200 afterwards. He himself spoke about the fact 276 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,360 that it was the pain of that kind of whole traumatic 277 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,200 experience. Cup final best day of his 278 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,640 career, breaks his leg, misses out, you know, loses the cup 279 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,320 final. So he said it was the pain of 280 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,040 the that defeat, rather than the leg break itself that I 281 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:58,680 continued to carry around with me. 282 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,640 Wow, so that's heavy, isn't? It rich mate. 283 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:03,040 Bill Gates. Bill Gates. 284 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:04,800 We're getting into a deal on must territory. 285 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,440 Yeah. Oh, whoa. 286 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,440 So that was Wigan and that's how they got there. 287 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,200 We'll come back to them in a minute but just to set them up, 288 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,800 who did they have to play going against them in the final with a 289 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,840 new heavyweight giants of English football, Manchester 290 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:18,720 City. That's right. 291 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,560 So Man City, just if you've forgotten or you haven't 292 00:12:21,560 --> 00:12:24,760 listened in recently, Man City had won the FA Cup in 2011 and 293 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,320 then the Premier League, Aguero in 2012. 294 00:12:28,680 --> 00:12:30,720 That was good. That was, yeah, maybe a little 295 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,480 bit low pitch. Yeah, yeah, a little bit higher. 296 00:12:33,560 --> 00:12:35,600 Exactly high and almost your voice breaking. 297 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:37,680 I swear you'll never see anything like this again. 298 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:39,760 Absolutely. Those words belong to mine 299 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:41,520 entirely. Yeah, that should be on his tune 300 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:43,120 Stone. I swear you'll never see 301 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:44,920 anything like this ever again. He's not wrong. 302 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:46,120 He's not wrong. Cheers mate. 303 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,600 Swear about that force. Reckon Clive Tilsley will have 304 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,640 remember the name Clive Tilsley on his on his headstone. 305 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:55,360 Weird. Who's that? 306 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:55,920 Wade. Rudy. 307 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:03,480 He's buried there like Tilsley. Strange thing to say anyway. 308 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,040 So the final. Sorry, sorry, Kenneth Watson 309 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:07,240 home. They think it's all over. 310 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,040 It is now. This is so good. 311 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:10,720 You could definitely. Do do an episode. 312 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:12,080 Yeah, that's that's very good, David. 313 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:13,000 Coleman What? Nil. 314 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:18,200 Play more Kevin, do you back him? 315 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,720 Do you back him for resurrect? Yes. 316 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:27,200 Oh no. Kevin Oh dear, that was nice, 317 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:27,800 right? I liked it. 318 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:31,840 OK, so the FA Cup final was being played before the last two 319 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,880 games between Wigan and Man City, before the last two games. 320 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:38,080 So again we have this kind of weird FA Cup final is not really 321 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:39,560 that important. The Premier League is still 322 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,240 going. So before the last two games of 323 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,440 the Premier League season, which is actually crazy really, like 324 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,640 the season's still going and still things and things were to 325 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:49,400 be decided. As we'll find out, Wigan 326 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,280 Athletic were in 18th place in the league, so being threatened 327 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:57,000 by relegation, 40 points behind Manchester City who were in 328 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:58,360 second. It's basically a football 329 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,640 season's difference between the two teams, isn't it? 330 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,800 Wigan could play another another season. 331 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:03,600 Not necessarily. Catch them. 332 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:04,960 Yeah, exactly. Yeah, weird. 333 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,080 So Man City was second. It's worth saying and 334 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:13,040 remembering that this was Fergie's swansong, so he picked 335 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,680 the title back from Man City and then walked away to the sunset, 336 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:18,520 which was a hell of an achievement. 337 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:19,880 This. We don't want to go too far down 338 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,120 to Man United. No, sure. 339 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:22,640 What the hell would he do? Winning. 340 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,560 Winning with that too. Yeah, exactly. 341 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,520 I think that might be the greatest achievement of 342 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,560 Ferguson's career. Yeah, it genuinely might be. 343 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,680 It genuinely might be. Although June then have the 344 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,720 question of did he leave the club in a great state for his? 345 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,760 I mean, evidently he didn't. Yeah, I and there's almost a 346 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,280 little bit of like. It was a way, I mean, I guess if 347 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:43,800 you look at CLOP and the way. That's what I mean. 348 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:45,080 He. Left it, but I don't know if 349 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,880 there was a way for Ferguson because that's you can't compare 350 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:49,840 Clop and Ferguson. No, no, I'm not. 351 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,040 I'm not trying to. But even just the longevity as 352 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,120 the amount of time was there, like that club was everything 353 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,360 was Ferguson, yeah, was Clop wouldn't have been. 354 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:58,360 Allowed to have that? No, No. 355 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:02,480 I don't know what he could have done other than find another 356 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:03,280 class of money. Too. 357 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,040 Yeah, and also, you can't really start a rebuild and then hand it 358 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:07,800 off to a manager that might have different ideas. 359 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:11,120 It's probably best to say, look, this has come to the end of its 360 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,040 cycle. It's up to you to do, yeah, what 361 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,200 you think's best. But this report isn't about man. 362 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:15,800 Yeah, sorry. Yeah. 363 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:19,320 So United won the title. City were a wounded animal in 364 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:23,160 the cup final as they had been beaten to the Premier League a 365 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,280 year after the most amazing, dramatic Premier League 366 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,920 conclusion. Man City had beaten Wigan in 367 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,760 each of the most recent seven Premier League matches between 368 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:33,760 the sides. Yeah, I mean all of this to 369 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,840 paint the picture of this was, you know, your 14 year old son 370 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:37,920 against. Yeah. 371 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:39,480 Exactly. On steroids, yeah. 372 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,560 Yeah. Like it was ridiculous how one 373 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,520 side in this final should have been. 374 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,240 Yeah. Before the match it was reported 375 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,040 in the Daily Telegraph that manager Roberto Mancini, so 376 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,840 Mancini is still there at Man City, that his job was under 377 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:53,400 threat. Interested. 378 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:55,680 Yeah. How crazy do the expectations 379 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,280 change, though? Between Man City getting all the 380 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,040 money pumped in, they finally win the league and a season 381 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:04,200 later it's like you finished second, we might have to sack 382 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,160 you. So we'll come back to it because 383 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,080 there's some weird stuff that goes on even on the morning of 384 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,520 the final with Mancini in his job. 385 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,360 But it was literally reported that morning that he had failed 386 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:20,120 to meet the like, box ticking expectations, one of which was 387 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:21,720 win the Premier League title. Can you imagine that? 388 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:23,440 Yeah, well, we gotta do this year, guys. 389 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,480 Win it. Yeah, but that is the level of 390 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:26,960 pressure now for the Super clubs. 391 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,600 It's maybe not so much with Man City in Liverpool, where it's 392 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,560 like if you finish second or third, you'll get the sack. 393 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:36,200 That isn't the case. But it's the whole like, again, 394 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:37,120 we're somehow going back to them. 395 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,760 But Man United where it is kind of, there's still an unwritten 396 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:41,840 rule not of winning the Premier League, but it's like get back 397 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,840 into the Champions League. But have you seen the club? 398 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,080 It's a basket case like right now. 399 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:47,920 A 10th place to finish would be progress. 400 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:49,880 But yeah, you don't get the chance. 401 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,840 If if Ameren finishes tenth, you probably probably gonna. 402 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:54,120 Go gets to the end of the season. 403 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,640 Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, it's a weird 404 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:57,400 1. You think about it. 405 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,400 I know Pep's a very different animal and he's won six titles, 406 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:00,800 so it's a different thing to compare. 407 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,720 But Manchini wins one title and his, you know, expectation of 408 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,200 the following year is win the title again and then qualify for 409 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:08,480 the Champions League, which he did. 410 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,280 He qualified for the Champions League, but he didn't win the 411 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,720 title. Right, Pep, He didn't win the 412 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,160 title last year. No suggestion whatsoever, no, 413 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:16,520 that he will do anything other than what he. 414 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:18,400 Wants, but like you say, you've got you've got the credit in the 415 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,480 bank and Mancini has proven to be a good manager, a very good 416 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,480 manager. But in pet Pew it is a bit. 417 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:30,360 It is unique because he is 1 most undoubtedly the greatest 418 00:17:30,360 --> 00:17:32,280 manager. Of the year, but I'm intrigued 419 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,640 by this and we talked about this at the start of the season 420 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,080 preview, preview and then. Season preview. 421 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,520 Preview and then Arteta as well. We've talked about it is how 422 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,760 many, how many years does he get? 423 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:45,440 If that's the way Man City do it, maybe they don't anymore. 424 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,440 But if that's the way they do it, his expectations for the 425 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,560 year and he misses them. No, you're right. 426 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,280 Has he missed them before? Yeah, if Man City finished third 427 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,120 again this year. Yeah, and. 428 00:17:54,120 --> 00:17:56,000 And don't win silverware. Yeah, exactly. 429 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,040 Yeah, no, you are right. Eventually it'll the question 430 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,840 mark will hang. Although from my pre season 431 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:07,720 preview I did suggest that my my wives, yeah, my outside, my 432 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,200 left, outside left field. That's like left field. 433 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,360 Yeah, sure. Prediction was that that Pep 434 00:18:13,360 --> 00:18:16,240 would either walk or kind of mutual consent leave. 435 00:18:16,360 --> 00:18:19,120 I think he'd go at the end of the season, as in, I think he 436 00:18:19,120 --> 00:18:21,400 would just quietly walk off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 437 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,240 I don't. I can't see him ever being fired 438 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:24,880 having won six titles. Yeah. 439 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,720 I want the drama, I want, I want the charges to be revealed and 440 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,480 for Pep to be like, Nah, I'm leaving. 441 00:18:30,120 --> 00:18:32,240 This is a corrupt club. As if he didn't benefit from it. 442 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,800 Yeah, yeah, yeah, OK. Interestingly, it was suggested 443 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:39,480 that Malaga manager Manuel Pellegrini was to be Mancini's 444 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,400 successor. That was reported on the morning 445 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,440 of the final. That's crazy now and you've got 446 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,120 to think, ah, the club briefing that because it's a strange 447 00:18:46,120 --> 00:18:49,240 time, like most journalists will be focused on the cup final 448 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,160 itself. You almost get the idea. 449 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:52,920 Has somebody from within the club come? 450 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,640 Well that's drip fed this. I mean, it has to be. 451 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,960 I mean, spoiler alert, that's what happens. 452 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,640 Yeah, yeah. Pellegrini takes over, Yeah, so 453 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,840 that isn't like a punt. No, no. 454 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:04,680 Someone has said this is what we're. 455 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,960 Looking at yeah exactly and and it's dependent on this cup 456 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:09,640 final. It's random, and it really is. 457 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:11,680 Which if you Mancini, you're probably going. 458 00:19:12,360 --> 00:19:14,880 He must know. I know, but he also is probably 459 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,680 thinking well I'm going to win the cup final so I've probably 460 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,640 got enough credit in the bank. Like he isn't envisioning losing 461 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,040 to Wigan so. Maybe. 462 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:23,520 You know what? They can talk about it. 463 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:25,160 Although maybe he was going to go anyway. 464 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:26,600 Yeah, true. I mean, it's like come out 465 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,880 recently, didn't it? Ange knew he was fired before. 466 00:19:29,120 --> 00:19:30,040 Oh, I did. I missed that. 467 00:19:30,120 --> 00:19:32,440 Yeah, so he knew it was coming before the Europa League final. 468 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,320 Wow, Don't make a difference, just enjoy it. 469 00:19:35,360 --> 00:19:37,920 But you're gone. Yeah, it's random in it. 470 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,760 Very interesting. So back to the route to the 471 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:42,680 final. City had routed everyone on the 472 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,960 way to the final scores of three nil, 4 nil, 2 nil and five nil. 473 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,240 Juggernaut is the right word. It is and said just they are 474 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,960 Goliath. Saw them reach the finals, semi 475 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,160 final, sorry against defending champions Chelsea. 476 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,600 A bit of a harder game, their goals from Nazri and Aguero saw 477 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:00,040 City scraped through 2/1 and the chance for silverware to save 478 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:01,520 Mancini's job. Apparently. 479 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,520 Yeah. Wigan needed a replay to see off 480 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,240 Bournemouth. Perennial losers. 481 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:12,040 Paul Bournemouth a. 132 years in a row and then scraped past. 482 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,400 Amazingly saw off Bournemouth and replay scraped past 483 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,240 Macclesfield and Huddersfield. Finally their feet. 484 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,840 They then saw off the giants of Everton before beating what you 485 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:22,960 say before beating Millwall in the Sammy. 486 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,040 Now I don't know if you notice about that list. 487 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,840 They didn't play any Premier League opposition except except 488 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,080 Everton. Yeah, that's a good, that's a 489 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:31,760 good run. All of them lower league. 490 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,600 So jokes side I'm an Evan fan but Evan were terrible in 2013. 491 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,600 So one Premier League team and not a great 1? 492 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,560 Isn't that crazy? Yeah, but again, we said at the 493 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,760 start it's about luck of the draw and the the the tidbit that 494 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,120 I hinted at. I'll say now about next week's 495 00:20:47,120 --> 00:20:49,360 episode. It's exactly the same with Hull, 496 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:52,680 who gets to the FA Cup final. Yeah, they just play lower 497 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,080 league opposition. They just get luck. 498 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:55,400 In the draw, yeah, totally. It's. 499 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,040 Not their fault, but you are like if, if they had any point 500 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,680 come up against in quotation marks, a good team, yeah, they 501 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,360 they would almost definitely have lost. 502 00:21:04,360 --> 00:21:06,720 And then you're probably talking about, oh, it was a Villa, Man 503 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,040 City final. Or it was a. 504 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,360 Chelsea, Man City final if the draw's slightly different. 505 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,320 And I guess it also depends, like, you know, they face 506 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:13,600 Millwolf, for instance, in the semis. 507 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,920 It depends on, you know, what Millwolf got going on, what 508 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,200 injuries they've got, what they're fighting for. 509 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,600 And, you know, it's complete random. 510 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:21,560 Yeah, of course, you look at that. 511 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,440 Go on Millwall. You know, they should have 512 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,880 beaten them or blah, blah, blah, but it's like we, unless you're 513 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,120 literally there in the moment, in that week, you can't. 514 00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:29,480 Really. But that, ultimately, is why cup 515 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,160 competitions are so exciting. Yeah, true. 516 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,160 It's. Because yeah, OK, over the space 517 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,880 of 38 games you you find out who, cliche, the league table 518 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,360 doesn't lie. You can't hide over 38 games, 519 00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:40,440 but you can in the cup. Competition. 520 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:41,880 Yeah, you can. Yeah, and that's why it's. 521 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:43,240 Because we're good. We're not the second best team 522 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:44,480 in the country. No, exactly. 523 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,160 Yeah. That they were, yeah, yeah, 524 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,280 yeah, absolutely. So Pop quiz manager of Wigan. 525 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:51,640 Roberto Martinez. Very good. 526 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:52,480 Yeah, there we. Go. 527 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,560 I forgot that. Yeah, he's obviously gone on to 528 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,080 quite bigger things. Absolutely. 529 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,360 Yeah, He's, he's, he's burgeoning his reputation as a 530 00:21:58,360 --> 00:21:59,720 great international manager as well now. 531 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,440 So where is he now? He was Belgium. 532 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,800 Yeah, and now he is Portugal. That's what I thought, yeah, 533 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,600 yeah. So he's done really well. 534 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,280 But he I didn't realise he played for Wigan in his. 535 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,520 That's right. Yeah, so there was the link 536 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,200 there. That's why he ended up at Wigan, 537 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,040 right? A bit of a Dave Whelan coup and 538 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,200 it obviously worked out. The Wigan squad had woken up to 539 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,400 find inspiration. This is brilliant, inspirational 540 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,040 messages from their team mates. So this is Roberto Martinez had 541 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:24,880 some what they would call master strokes. 542 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,960 A lot of the reading I did was the the squad talking about how 543 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,560 he was psychologically brilliant for them and they didn't go in 544 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,840 there thinking we're going to get whooped by a massive 545 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,880 heavyweight team, which is a hell of a thing to. 546 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,080 Watch Players. Of so they had woken up to 547 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,480 inspirational messages pushed under their hotel doors from 548 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,800 their teammates. It was one of a number of 549 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,000 psychological math strips by Martinez, Gary Caldwell, Wiggins 550 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,120 club captain, said. We have been seeing a 551 00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:53,680 psychologist in the build up to the final and the day before the 552 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,680 game we didn't exercise where the players and staff had to 553 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,160 write down why we were pride to be walking out Wembley with each 554 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,400 other. We handed it back unsigned and 555 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,680 did not know what it was going to be used for that night or the 556 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,480 next morning. Everyone find an envelope under 557 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,400 their door. We opened it to find everything 558 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,480 our teammates and staff had written about us on strips of 559 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,040 paper. That's really cool. 560 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,480 Yeah, that's great. It was quite emotional and very 561 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,360 powerful. Nobody signed any of it, so you 562 00:23:14,360 --> 00:23:16,680 did not know know who had written what, but you obviously 563 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,960 had some idea. It made everyone feel 10 feet 564 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,120 tall on the morning of the final. 565 00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:21,960 That's great. I love that, Yeah. 566 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:23,200 Brilliant. I mean, are you? 567 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:27,160 Listening Thomas Tookel, can you pick up some man management from 568 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:31,520 Roberto Martinez just. Pushing it, Harry, you're great. 569 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,120 You've got a massive head, Harry. 570 00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:35,600 You imagine you'd get Harry gets Harry Kane's message though. 571 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,080 Oh yeah, true. It'd be a bit. 572 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,520 Go for why? Why is there so much saliva on 573 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,880 this handwritten note? For IT guys, you're all great. 574 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,080 So the kick off time for the final we mentioned obviously 575 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,160 change opposed to the traditional three PMI don't know 576 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,240 if that's true anymore because it wasn't really traditional 577 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,200 anymore, but it was 515 start. This was controversial, 578 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,280 particularly with regard to both sets of supporters having to 579 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,800 travel back up north. The secretary of the Manchester 580 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,080 City Supporters Club stated that not only does it show the FA 581 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:04,720 don't care, but it shows they don't know. 582 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,440 Yeah, yeah. Are you ignorant? 583 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,480 Right. I'm glad you got there first. 584 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,520 I don't know. I don't care. 585 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:12,440 I. Don't know, I don't care. 586 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,240 The FA don't think about stuff like young children are four or 587 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:16,560 six years old, I don't know, by 4 or 6. 588 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,000 Where's all the five? The five year old erasure in 589 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,120 this kind of common. Five year olds are bad. 590 00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:24,200 Terrible. Four or six you're potentially 591 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,600 not getting home until 2:00 AM if they're travelling by coach 592 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,840 It. Also the subject is ridiculous. 593 00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:32,240 It was also the subject of a cross party early day motion in 594 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,800 the House of Commons. I mean some people are taking it 595 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,840 too seriously. Also if you're taking a six year 596 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,880 old to the FA Cup final, who gives a crap? 597 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:40,720 Have one late night, it'll be fine. 598 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,600 Like yeah OK, it's not ideal. They're going to be grumpy for 599 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,120 school the next day. Nobody cares if they've gone to 600 00:24:46,120 --> 00:24:47,800 an FA Cup final at six years old. 601 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,120 Yeah, amazing. Give them a day off. 602 00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:50,400 Yeah, exactly. Pay the fine. 603 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,680 So anyway, with all of that build up, we had Wigan versus 604 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:59,360 Man City in the 2013 FA Cup final and here is the match you 605 00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:02,520 just cannot right strips. Like. 606 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,320 This in a nice touch. Wigan Athletic owner Dave 607 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,400 Whelan, remember this, LED out his team before kickoff, along 608 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:10,960 with, I don't remember manager Martinez. 609 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,920 Yeah, Roberta Martinez went to him and said you need to classy 610 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,200 touch. Yeah, you need to lead us out. 611 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,120 That's lovely. This is your final, which he 612 00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:21,280 strikes me as that kind of guy, yeah. 613 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,040 Yeah, exactly. There was rumours around the 614 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,160 Brendan Rodgers appointment that Martinez was going to come to 615 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,640 Liverpool, and I remember obviously kind of reading about 616 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,680 that and many people were saying, oh, tactically he's 617 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,000 interesting, but a lot of people were saying that he is very 618 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,200 personable, so don't surprise me to hear that. 619 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:39,920 Yeah, he's kind of always been like that. 620 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,000 Just a nice touch. I, I don't think Martinez had 621 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:43,760 got to a final himself before that. 622 00:25:44,360 --> 00:25:46,160 So that I just think that's really cool. 623 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:47,480 Like that was share the spotlight. 624 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,960 It was his moment really, the chairman doesn't lead people out 625 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,520 and yet he let him. I think that's really cool. 626 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,560 So into the game itself, City start strong is the headline 627 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,240 which you could kind of see coming 2 minutes into the game. 628 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,440 Zabaletta made a run down the right wing, crossed the ball 629 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,760 which took a deflection before falling to Silver whose volley 630 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,200 was blocked by MacArthur. Aguero was then fouled by 631 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,760 Alcaraz on the edge of the Wigan penalty area but the subsequent 632 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,920 free frequent was blocked, Bull finding its way to Yaya Tore, 633 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,840 whose shot was pushed away by Robles. 634 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,320 This is the first 10 minutes of the game. 635 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,680 City continued to push us Tore around the game with Silver in 636 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:22,880 the middle of the park, which is. 637 00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:25,680 You could say that sentence from most games. 638 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,360 Man City in this era. Yeah, absolutely. 639 00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:30,320 Now, what was interesting about the way that Wiggins set up is 640 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:35,600 that they played A3421 and Julie Lescott we got I got a few 641 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,040 quotes from but he talked about I'm got it necessary. 642 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:39,200 But I remember him talking about this. 643 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,520 He said that it actually threw the City players because the 644 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,680 fullbacks didn't drop back. So they literally played with 645 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:47,640 three defense and. That's it. 646 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:48,440 Wow. Brave. 647 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,000 Very. Incredibly, Yeah. 648 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,120 So. And he was like, we didn't, we 649 00:26:52,120 --> 00:26:54,920 were really confused by it because these wide wing backs 650 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,320 didn't defend. Yeah, yeah. 651 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,960 And it was like, oh man, they're still ready to attack. 652 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,280 Yeah. So interesting and they, you 653 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,480 know, certainly brave, but also they try something different, 654 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,000 which usually when a little club tries something differently 655 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,800 against a big club, it's. Just like, yeah, exactly. 656 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,040 That was crap, but it seemed to, well, I don't know. 657 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,920 It seemed to work in the sense that they didn't let any goals 658 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,720 in, but it's not like City didn't have the chances. 659 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,080 The only chance for Wigan in the whole of the first half came 9 660 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,400 minutes before the halftime whistle. 661 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,240 Alcoraz running through the middle of the pitch and pass to 662 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,800 McManaman, not Steve. No Callum who went. 663 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:32,120 Round Nastasich yeah, before a shot was blocked by Zabaletta 664 00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:34,640 and Hart on the line. So that was literally the only 665 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,520 chance that we can have the entire first half, which I would 666 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,160 say that's pretty good return. Yeah, has what to say. 667 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,040 There was a game we did a little while ago, wasn't there? 668 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:42,840 Ken Wyn Jones had the only chance. 669 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:44,600 Stoke. Stoke. 670 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,800 Yeah, that's right. And we talked about the fact 671 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,680 that these little teams, they, they must know that they might. 672 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:50,880 Only. Yeah, exactly. 673 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,480 One chance. In fairness, Wigan didn't set up 674 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:54,680 like that. They didn't set up like Stoke 675 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,480 did. But you kind of, I wonder if 676 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,120 there's a part of the going in at halftime going. 677 00:27:58,720 --> 00:27:59,960 That might have been it, yeah. Totally. 678 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,360 That might have been the chance. We might be looking back on Go 679 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,560 God, I've only scored that, but it was to not be. 680 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,360 It was not to be. second-half saw no changes to the team, 681 00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:10,920 which is quite strange for a cup final. 682 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,320 No Subs on either side, but a marked change to the flow of the 683 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,360 game. Both teams traded chances as the 684 00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:20,120 match opened up completely and Wigan came back into Aguero. 685 00:28:20,120 --> 00:28:23,440 Barry and Company all had chances, but Wigan held firm. 686 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,200 Then the latex came back at City into the 65th minute with Gomez 687 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,800 firing over as Company threw himself to block his shot. 688 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,200 McManaman, not Steve, then caused Zabaletta to the first 689 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,440 booking as a professional foul bought him a yellow card. 690 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,920 Now you might wonder why I'm mentioning a random yellow card. 691 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,560 Yeah sure, it's significant. I forgot this happened. 692 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,240 Just remember Zabaletta on a booking, Jack Rodwell coming on 693 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,600 fired a three quick just wide and then what happened to Jack 694 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,480 Rodwell? I I was funny, I was gonna 695 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:49,840 interrupt and then I thought I won't. 696 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,960 But yeah, Jack Rodwell happened. He was heralded as like the next 697 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,720 big England midfielder. It was and it just it all, yeah, 698 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,000 it all went terribly from him because he signed from Everton 699 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,120 to Man City is. That right, yeah. 700 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:02,440 Big break up season. Yeah, yeah. 701 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:07,000 And he, I think there are some suggestions off the pitch. 702 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,240 He wasn't very dedicated and there might have been other 703 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:11,520 complications. From. 704 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,040 From memory, and I think it was just one of those that he kind 705 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,640 of had all the natural raw talent, but maybe not the 706 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,200 dedication. Just one of those people. 707 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,200 It's like he's quite a big name and I, I assume he's retired. 708 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:22,960 I don't know yet. I think he was one of those. 709 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,920 I don't he yeah. In all honesty I don't know if 710 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,800 he's retired now but he did carry on playing for a while but 711 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,360 dropped right down the leagues and and played for some random 712 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:31,480 clubs. Crazy, isn't it? 713 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,160 This is probably the peak of his career. 714 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,600 Yeah, Cup final, right? So anyway, Jack Rodwell, he 715 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,280 fired a free kick just wide and then Gomez struck the bar for 716 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,120 Wigan with a cross. Comes shot and then in the 81st 717 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,880 minute Wigan Athletic made their first and only substitution. 718 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,080 Oh wow, that is really. Interesting. 719 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,360 Ben Watson. Yes. 720 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,000 Coming on to replace Gomez Watson had returned from his own 721 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,240 broken leg only six months before. 722 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,120 Amazing. So I'd like to call this the 723 00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,680 broken leg final. Yeah, sure. 724 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:00,840 No one's. Calling it that, it's not 725 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,600 catchy, but it does. It does help remind you of the 726 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,680 context it does. 53 years apart, 2 broken legs and they decided 727 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,080 the cup final. Amazing symmetry. 728 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,240 That's narrative. That is, you should do a. 729 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:12,320 Podcast mate. Thanks mate. 730 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,280 So Ben Watson comes on. Three minutes later, Company 731 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,040 received a pull pass from GAIL Cliche Cliche in the centre 732 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,200 circle with Kony intercepted. He passed to McManaman, not 733 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,000 Steve, who was fouled by Zabaletta around 30 yards from 734 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,680 the Man City goal. As a result, Zabaletta received 735 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,080 his second yellow card and was sent off and became the third 736 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:34,800 player to be dismissed in the FA Cup final. 737 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,920 No memory of that whatsoever. Really interesting that you 738 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,840 don't think about. I know it was late in the game, 739 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,640 but you don't think about Man City going down to 10 when we're 740 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,920 going to beat them? Yeah, really interesting. 741 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,360 I mean, I don't know how much difference it made maybe in 742 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,560 terms of the city's ability to put any pressure on at this 743 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:51,720 point, but. Yeah, maybe. 744 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,440 Again a a side of cities. That's what I mean. 745 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:55,960 I don't think it would have made a huge. 746 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,240 It doesn't take away what we're going to manage to do, really. 747 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,960 I don't think it's like, oh, if they'd had 11 men, this wouldn't 748 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,120 have happened. Yeah, anyway, Zabalet a third 749 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,640 man, just final countdown revision the other two. 750 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,400 I can't even remember their names. 751 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,880 I remember covering them both. Yeah, I wanna say Paul McGrath, 752 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:11,600 but it. Isn't no. 753 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,520 It is that final though. Is it Kevin Moran? 754 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,880 Kevin Moran, Yeah, I can't remember the other. 755 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,680 One and the other one I forget is Reyes. 756 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,920 For us, Oh yeah, of course. Which I think we talked about 757 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,240 the fact we forgotten that one as well. 758 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,880 I think that was late as well. It was like literally a minute, 759 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,240 a minute left to go. Yeah, it was. 760 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,880 Ben Watson remembers thinking a Zabilet was sent off. 761 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,080 This is it. This is it. 762 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,520 You will never get a better chance to win an FA Cup final. 763 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,840 Wow, it's cool isn't it? And he wasn't let back to let it 764 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,200 pass by. In the final minute of the 765 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,840 match, Wigan Athletic won a corner which was played in by 766 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,080 Maloney. Watson beat Rodwell to the ball 767 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,600 at the near post and headed it inside the far post of the goal 768 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:49,680 to give Wigan Athletic the lead. Maloney takes and it's in, it's 769 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,840 Ben Watson. It's Ben Watson for Wigan 770 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,240 Athletic. They've surely won the FA Cup, 771 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,160 for Dave Whelan, for Roberto Martinez. 772 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,600 You just cannot write strips like this. 773 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,840 Shout out as well. Joe Hart makes this goal look 774 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,560 brilliant. It's. 775 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,360 A brilliant dive. Yes, TV dive. 776 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,240 Yeah, it really is. It's like the balls already gone 777 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:16,760 past you. Joe, can you make it look good? 778 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,520 That's great. That seems to be what's in his 779 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:19,760 even. Joe Hart played his part. 780 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:24,040 That's heart, woman. A minute later, the final, I 781 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,400 mean, just not burned past that, the goal, it happens at the end 782 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,640 where the Wigan fans are. Yes, it is. 783 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,360 The celebrations aren't. I think the expression is limbs. 784 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,440 Yes, yeah, absolutely. It is crazy to us, it is just 785 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,200 like thousands of people jumping up and down in probably one of 786 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,280 the best moments of their life, while the players also 787 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,120 experience one of their best moments of their lives. 788 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,160 It is brilliant. It's a great shot as well. 789 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,720 Dave Whelan jumping up and punching, yeah, which is really 790 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,680 cool to watch. So it's one of those ones where 791 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,080 it's like if you have any affinity to football and 792 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,960 emotion. Yeah, go watch it. 793 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:58,640 This is the one for. You, it's great. 794 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,480 It really is a cool moment. A minute later the final whistle 795 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,560 was blown and Wigan Athletic had won the match one nil, securing 796 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,440 the FA Cup for the first and only time in their history. 797 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,280 Absolutely amazing stuff. And since then, things have only 798 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,800 really gotten worse for Wiggins. So just what a moment for them. 799 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,480 Yeah, incredible moment I guess. Yeah, we will get into that for 800 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,920 sure. But yeah, Wigan deserve part of 801 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,400 their day in the sun. They had their day in the sun. 802 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,880 They beat the heavyweight giants of English football, not just 803 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,600 some random team. They beat Man City at Wembley. 804 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,480 Yeah, which not many, not many teams have done that. 805 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,720 So they wouldn't have his glory. And we head into extra time. 806 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:39,160 Well, you have just witnessed 90 of the most terrific minutes of 807 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,520 European football you'll ever, ever see. 808 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,600 The good news is there's more to come. 809 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:49,280 The sadness comes quickly. So Wigan, they obviously won 810 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,120 their they had alcohol banned on the coach home so they 811 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,040 celebrated with Lucozade. Yeah, as you do. 812 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:56,840 I tell you what, Sometimes that'll be worse, though. 813 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,760 You imagine the come down from that, the sugar high to the 814 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:00,320 sugar low. What's? 815 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,160 Interesting about it is that the reason it was banned is because 816 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,360 they had a game two days later. Yeah, Premier League game two 817 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:06,640 days later. So they travelled back, 818 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,960 celebrated with Lucozade that they had a game that they had to 819 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:14,400 win against Arsenal 3 three days later, sorry, they lost 41 and 820 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,040 were relegated. Heartbreaking. 821 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,080 Really. It isn't a strange, strange 822 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,280 season. And what a week, Yeah, Like last 823 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,080 Saturday, won the cup final and now we're playing in the 824 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:23,920 championship. Yeah, it's very bizarre. 825 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,600 I'm very sad because don't come back up, do they? 826 00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:28,040 No, it just goes from bad to work. 827 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,639 No, yeah. And and we're gonna have been in 828 00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:30,719 the Premier League for eight years. 829 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,320 So they've been around, they've been a little bit of a 830 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,199 Brentford, Bournemouth, kind of like are they gonna survive it? 831 00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:36,719 Yeah, yeah. And they they ultimately didn't 832 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,159 do enough this season. You know, people would like to 833 00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:41,600 say they're distracted by the cup run, which is the opposing 834 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,120 point to what you made earlier. You know, did they go down? 835 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:46,840 I mean, would they have gone down anyway? 836 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:51,199 Like Martinez left the club and signed for Everton on a four 837 00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:54,400 year deal a month after the finals, so that was probably 838 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,800 already cooking. I assume that kind of thing is 839 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,200 long in the making and not. Especially because would it have 840 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,240 been Moyes was leaving to take over from Ferguson. 841 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,080 So again. And that was announced. 842 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,360 Was that's what I mean, Ferguson would have already tapped up 843 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,520 Moyes. So I think it like you say, all 844 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,680 the think cogs were already. Emotional, of course, so 845 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,120 Martinez left so in a way it kind of brought down the curtain 846 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,680 on this era of Wigan. So yeah, they were relegated. 847 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,440 So they became the first team to be relegated and win their fake 848 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,280 up in the same season. Middlesbrough obviously have 849 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,400 gone to the final and been relegated, so this was the first 850 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,920 team to do that, which is an unwanted piece of history. 851 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,560 Yeah, sure, on to Man City. Roberto Mancini was dismissed 852 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,360 days after the final with the club citing that he had failed 853 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,120 to achieve any of the club's targets with the exception of 854 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,760 qualification for next season's Champions League. 855 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,240 Brutal. Which I can only imagine. 856 00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:47,080 Then the only target, it must have been to win the Premier 857 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:48,080 League. Like, yeah, yeah, win the 858 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:49,440 Premier League, I guess. Maybe silverware. 859 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,520 Yeah, yeah. I mean, would he have stayed if 860 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,000 he'd won the Cup either it. Doesn't seem I. 861 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,800 Don't think, yeah, it doesn't seem it's really put out a 862 00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,880 different press release, defender Julia Lescott later 863 00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:01,760 reflected. It was a little bit weird on the 864 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,880 morning of the final we were eating breakfast together as a 865 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,720 squad and the TV's were on with Sky Sports News reporting that 866 00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:11,400 Mancini was going to get. Sacked bizarre sack, Yeah. 867 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:12,840 Eating breakfast with them, that's. 868 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,600 Awkward. So strange in it. 869 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,400 Pellegrini, as predicted, was appointed as the full time 870 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,120 replacement for Mancini in June 2013. 871 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,240 So yeah, someone had that league absolutely correct and bang on. 872 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,960 This is interesting. The bogey team for City were 873 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,800 Wigan Athletic in the cup. Really. 874 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,000 Yeah, I didn't realize this. Wigan Athletic defeated Man City 875 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,640 again in the sixth round of the following season's FA Cup. 876 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:36,360 When they're lower league teams, yeah. 877 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,960 Winning two, one at the City of Manchester Stadium. 878 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,520 Fantastic. They failed to retain the trophy 879 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,400 after they lost in a penalty shootout against Arsenal. 880 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:44,920 The semi. So that's quite in the semi. 881 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,240 Yeah, they got all the way to the semi the year after like 882 00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:52,320 this kind of giant killing, you know, win 2013 finalists met for 883 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:56,360 1/3 FA Cup, FA Cup tie in the 2017 eighteen tournament where 884 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,160 Wigan then in League One by that point. 885 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,120 So they dropped two divisions in five years, won the fifth round 886 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,960 tie, one nil, at the DW Stadium, which was described by BBC Sport 887 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,560 as one of the biggest FA Cup giant killings in history. 888 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,360 Fantastic stuff, well done Latics, fancy just can't get 889 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:12,440 past. I love that. 890 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,960 It's good in it but the final word is for Dave Whelan, Emerson 891 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,400 Boyce who was captain on the day and that the club captain was 892 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,840 injured, Gary Colwell, the chairman. 893 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,360 Dave Whelan let us out on the pitch and he spoke to us right 894 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,760 before the game. Obviously we knew all about his 895 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,720 broken leg in the 1960 final. People would always joke to us 896 00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:33,000 in the build up that he was telling that story again and 897 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,480 again and again, but this time he just said that was the that 898 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,320 that was the memory he had of Wembley. 899 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,720 So we had to go out there and create a memory for ourselves. 900 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,120 He shook everyone's hands before we went out and it was his 901 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,600 proudest moment to walk back out on that pitch, to leave his 902 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,880 team, his club, out at Wembley for an FA Cup final and see us 903 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,040 bury the memory of his previous final 53 years before. 904 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,480 Oh, it's beautiful. That is. 905 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,920 That is why football still holds its romance and charm for 906 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,240 moments like that. I know this is over a decade ago 907 00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:02,640 now, but that is, that's really heartwarming. 908 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,040 That is the kind of thing where you're like, that's why football 909 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,720 can be great. Yeah, it's great story. 910 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,520 Yeah, brilliant. Yeah, Amazing stuff. 911 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,680 That's really, really good reports. 912 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,600 Thanks to that ad. Join us next week to find out 913 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,080 about another David versus Goliath story.