1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,120 Were you part of the soccer AM generation? 2 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:04,640 No, it was just after. I thought that might be the 3 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:06,360 case. What was your like weekend 4 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:07,720 morning TV? Live and kicking. 5 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:09,520 Live and kicking. Now we're talking. 6 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:20,160 Now we're alive and kicking you. Just. 7 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:27,160 Cannot write scripts like this. Welcome ladies and gentlemen to 8 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,440 The Final Countdown, the podcast looking back at great finals 9 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:31,560 within the game of football. I'm Lewis here my Co host. 10 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:35,120 Adam, Hello. It is the 2014 FA Cup final. 11 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,680 As we've discussed last week, the oldest cup competition in 12 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:41,280 the world historic history. 133rd this would be look. 13 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:43,760 At that, let's straight off the top of the Dome memory. 14 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:45,240 That is excellent. Real quick last. 15 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:46,440 Week. Yeah, that's true. 16 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:53,120 We are talking about, in a way, a bit of a similar cup final in 17 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:57,360 terms of we have a heavy favorite and an underdog from 18 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,520 the same division. So we are talking about the 2014 19 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,600 FA Cup final between Arsenal and Hull City. 20 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,920 I agree with heavyweight but I wouldn't say it's they're the 21 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:07,440 same level of heavyweight. This. 22 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,400 This was the Wenger Out years, wasn't it? 23 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:11,720 I'm so glad you've started with that. 24 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,800 So I went in looking like when is the earliest Wenger Out 25 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,200 thing? There are a few like spatters of 26 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:21,880 it in 2011, 2012, but it doesn't really pick up steam until this 27 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,000 season. So this is the season where 28 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,720 people are like, OK, you've done incredible amounts for us and 29 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,000 just skip ahead. Arsenal are on a nine year gold 30 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,360 drought so they haven't won a trophy since gold drought. 31 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:37,480 Sarah, this is. Amazing they stayed in the 32 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,560 Division every game. Nil. 33 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:43,480 Nil. 40.38 points was just enough. 34 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,800 Incredible. So a trophy drought, I should 35 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,600 amend that to say 2005 was their last trophy, which was the FA 36 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:53,080 Cup. Yeah, because again, Wenger had 37 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:54,840 a bit of a specialty with the FA Cup. 38 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:59,320 He won it quite a lot early on. But yeah, 2005 S 9 years. 39 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,880 So the criticism was Wenger had overseen the stadium move and 40 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,520 had kind of accepted. 2006. Yeah, that's right. 41 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,880 So he had overseen it. He had They accepted the kind of 42 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,320 shackling of the transfer system during that period, and it 43 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,680 worked under those constraints. But people kind of thought, 44 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,480 well, we're well and truly in the new stadium now. 45 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,240 We've got the extra money. They'd signed Mesut Ozil, who 46 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,400 was like a big statement signing for them. 47 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:24,880 And yet they hadn't pushed on in any way. 48 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:26,640 It was still kind of like, hey, we finished fourth. 49 00:02:26,640 --> 00:02:28,120 Hey, we. That was the thing, wasn't it? 50 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,240 Is he got accused of just kind of accepting the Champions 51 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,200 League qualification and not really doing anything in the 52 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:34,840 tournament was enough. I know they got to the final 53 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:36,560 once, didn't they? To because they lost the 54 00:02:36,640 --> 00:02:37,960 Barcelona? Yeah, yeah. 55 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,320 Other than that, they spent a lot of time in the Champions 56 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,760 League, losing the Champions League, qualifying again, and 57 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,880 they went again, Yeah. And I think Arsenal fans were, 58 00:02:45,920 --> 00:02:48,160 well, certain Arsenal fans were certainly getting tired of it. 59 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,200 Yeah. And in a way it's a little bit 60 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,240 mirrored with Arteta at the moment, which is Arteta has 61 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:53,720 taken them. Well, I'm glad you said that, 62 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:54,320 mate. There we go. 63 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,680 Nothing against Arteta, by the way, but I do feel like I'm the 64 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,440 one that brings it up. Yeah, I'm intrigued by why he 65 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,960 seems to get a pass. I think in a way it's very 66 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,160 similar to Wenger, what the state they were in beforehand, 67 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,040 the post Wenger years, Arteta was the first manager that comes 68 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:13,320 in and establishes them as a top two Premier League team, which 69 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:17,760 from where they were, it is progress and it is a yeah and 70 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:19,160 this year. I don't want him out. 71 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,400 I just wonder how many goes he gets. 72 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,040 If that's another 10 and so be it. 73 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,320 I'm not particularly hungry for him to be. 74 00:03:25,640 --> 00:03:27,120 Fired for asking him to be back at the. 75 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:31,440 Top of the I just like Wenger got essentially 8-9 years just 76 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,920 really of kind of what mediocrity is such a ridiculous 77 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,960 word when you're never in fact but mediocrity in comparison to 78 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,640 what they had known in the early Wenger years when they won the 79 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:42,560 league twice and. Yeah, well, they won the league 80 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,720 and then obviously he had this romance with the FA Cup, but it 81 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,680 seems inconceivable now. Nine years without a trophy. 82 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,200 Yeah, so he didn't even have the FA Cups to cover up. 83 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,440 It's like, oh, finishing fourth, but we quite often win a cup. 84 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,000 But they did get to Champions League final in 2006. 85 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,880 Yeah, 2006, which you are right, that is a feather in the cap and 86 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,960 they did lose to a Barcelona team, but even without kind of 87 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,560 Messi and Javi and Niesta was still I guess. 88 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,400 You can even argue then like 2006, that's eight years before, 89 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,720 Yeah. So even that, even if that's 90 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:15,120 counted as some degree of success, it's still 8 more years 91 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:16,440 of nothingness. Yeah. 92 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:18,279 I didn't. It didn't jump out at me as 93 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:19,920 much. Creating this match report back 94 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,560 now that we're discussing it, nine years without a trophy is 95 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,800 astonishing. And then he obviously carries on 96 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:26,640 for another three years. I was. 97 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,040 Just about to ask that when does he go? 98 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,640 I think it's three or four years in the future, but spoiler 99 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,400 alert, there are a few more FA Cup wins on the horizon for 100 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,880 Arsenal. So there is kind of rejuvenation 101 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:37,360 and we'll talk about that in this match report. 102 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,040 So Arsenal Shock Horrid finished fourth in the Premier League 103 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,080 this year. Olivier Giroud was a top scorer 104 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:47,040 with 16 league goals. So again, it's again not a very 105 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,400 not a bad Arsenal team by any stretch of the imagination. 106 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,640 But when Giroud is your And I do think Giroud's having a hell of 107 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,560 a career and still is playing. I wouldn't call it. 108 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,920 No. And when he, yeah, when he is, 109 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,240 you know, you don't have a Ormri or a Van Persie or anyone to 110 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,000 hang your hat on. But they had been eliminated 111 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:05,320 from the fourth round of the League Cup. 112 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,560 They'd exited the Champions League in the round of 16. 113 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,680 So it was pretty, again, mediocre in terms of a club that 114 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,440 should have had more ambition. Hull, on the other hand, managed 115 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,400 to finish 16th in the Premier League this year. 116 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,800 And it's worth saying this is the pinnacle of Hull City as a 117 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:19,720 football club this final this season. 118 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:21,800 Finding this a little bit, aren't we with these minnows 119 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:23,880 that kind of peak in a cup final, yeah. 120 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,280 Yeah, and it's kind of like they have their one moment in the sun 121 00:05:26,280 --> 00:05:29,880 and then unfortunately the sunsets and they're not really 122 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,360 seen off again at the. Highest cancer table. 123 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,720 Yeah, so to talk about that, this was the best ever points 124 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,280 total in the Premier League, 37 points, which was enough to 125 00:05:38,280 --> 00:05:41,200 finish 16th back then, which again does away with the myth of 126 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,680 40 points being survival. 40 points has made you finish about 127 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,160 14th, 15th, 16th in recent Premier League, not even recent 128 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,720 over the last decade or so. 40 points, a bit of a myth. 129 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,320 You basically will almost always survive on about 3536 points, 130 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,600 which is interesting. But as I said, this was their 131 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,560 first season back in the Premier League after promotion and this 132 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,000 was the first ever final in 110 years for whole City as a 133 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,120 football club. So it's it really is the peak of 134 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:07,760 anything the whole City fan can hope for. 135 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:09,360 They've managed to get some efficate funnel. 136 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,840 They're in the top division in England, They've managed to 137 00:06:11,840 --> 00:06:14,680 avoid relegation. And the question is, is this 138 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:18,040 going to be a catalyst for them, you know, taking it up a notch 139 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,920 or establishing themselves as a a mid table Premier League team 140 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,440 Spoiler that doesn't happen. So to talk about Arsenal's root 141 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,120 in this FA Cup final, they enter the third round as all Premier 142 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,680 League sides do. They beat Tottenham 2 nil at 143 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,480 home in the third round. So a little North London Derby 144 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,640 on the way, they battered Coventry City 4 nil and then 145 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:38,720 they managed to beat in the 5th and the 6th round. 146 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,040 Two scouts teams. So Liverpool and Everton went by 147 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,120 the wayside. So it was a it was a tricky cup 148 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,960 run for Arsenal, Tottenham obviously Northland Derby not 149 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:47,200 easy. Liverpool. 150 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:48,920 Everton was probably a Gimme let's be honest. 151 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:51,920 Hey, this is under. Who was after Moist? 152 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,480 Was it Martinez, who we spoke about, had taken over? 153 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,320 Yeah, promised much, delivered a little. 154 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,040 Yeah, exactly. The semi final, this is where 155 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,440 Arsenal struggled somewhat surprisingly against Wigan 156 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:02,800 Athletic. So it's. 157 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,360 The big dogs, That's it. Yeah, the the Latics with their 158 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:09,280 their taste of FA Cup glory, they managed to take Arsenal to 159 00:07:09,280 --> 00:07:12,720 extra time, which Arsenal eventually won 41 penalties. 160 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:16,440 So we can really took them to the wire and a little bit of 161 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,080 kind of like, oh, here we go again for Arsenal where you 162 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:20,640 know, we're going to fall short yet again. 163 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,080 Is this another Wenger moment? But they did manage to get past 164 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,320 FA Cup holders. Wigan Athletic won all in the 165 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,160 semi finals. It's worth knowing this was 166 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,360 Arsenal's 18th FA Cup final in their history, which matched the 167 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,760 record for appearances held by do you know which club? 168 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:36,720 Chelsea. No United. 169 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,400 Yes, Manchester United had until this point held the record for 170 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,640 the most FA Cup final appearances whole. 171 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,240 However, their route was very, very different. 172 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,480 I think we touched on this last episode so I'm not going to talk 173 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:51,960 about too much, but had a considerably easier route to the 174 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:53,600 final. So they beat Middlesbrough 2 175 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,440 nil, they beat Southend United 2 nil, they beat Brighton, won all 176 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:58,800 and then it went to a replay. Beat them. 177 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:00,760 Beat the model. Beat the model. 178 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:01,640 Beat the model. Strong result? 179 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,320 Yeah, exactly. Which gave the momentum to them. 180 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:08,440 Beat them a second time 2-1 in the replay they beat Sunderland 181 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,440 three nil and then in the semi final they had an absolute Ding 182 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,080 Dong against Sheffield United 5 three so they were given the 183 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,000 neutrals what they wanted. So incredible stuff. 184 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,240 But as I've mentioned, Whole City's first ever pants in FA 185 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,240 Cup final and in their path four of the opponents were from lower 186 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,280 divisions, so not Premier League, which is really why 187 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:26,680 finding. That a little bit, aren't we? 188 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,200 When these minnows make it, do any of them beat anybody? 189 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,799 So not to make this an England pod, but we always do. 190 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:37,600 Exactly where we can, we will. This is my hesitancy about this 191 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,520 golden era that we've lived through under Southgate is are 192 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,440 we in 10 years time going to look back and go? 193 00:08:42,919 --> 00:08:47,320 Not only like should we have won, but generally speaking our 194 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:51,240 routes to the finals or semi finals have been pretty generous 195 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,680 compared to what we could have. Drawn when we met a heavyweight. 196 00:08:54,680 --> 00:08:56,200 We Yeah. We failed. 197 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,240 And is it what I'm going to say? Well, it's more of will it ever 198 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,480 be this good for us because we might have better England teams, 199 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,080 we might have better managers in Southgate, but the draw might 200 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,080 just screw us over for the next 4 tournaments. 201 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,720 We might just get really tricky. And I know the argument is, you 202 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:10,520 know if you want to be the best you've got to beat the best. 203 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:12,920 But there is an element we've spoken like this, an element in 204 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,680 cup runs that is just down to luck and you think some of the 205 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:18,280 runs we've had, some of the opponents, you think that was 206 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:19,480 going to be our moment. Yeah. 207 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,720 I mean, I assume you're talking mostly about Croatia in 2018. 208 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,960 But that run in particular, yeah, was very soft, really. 209 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:32,040 But then Netherlands was a tough game, but historically they are 210 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,320 a heavyweight national. Team but, but are they? 211 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:38,600 Historically, as in the they've won major titles, they've got to 212 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,880 finals major more so than Croatia. 213 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:42,920 Yes, yeah, they've. Got to one final, yeah. 214 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,680 Definitely more so than Croatia. I know history doesn't really 215 00:09:45,680 --> 00:09:48,760 count for much. Really like a team in the 70s. 216 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,240 Germany, right? They they know what they're 217 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,520 doing. Well, I mean, that's national 218 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,000 mentality thing, I think. Yeah, true. 219 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:54,880 Yeah. I don't know. 220 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,080 I don't. It's it's a tricky one in it 221 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:58,960 because with football, everything comes down to such 222 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,520 small margins. And I don't know if you can 223 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:06,440 generalize it so simply like the game we lost doing Bappy and Co, 224 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:08,600 they missed the penalty. Yeah, yeah. 225 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:09,840 Scores the penalty. Who knows? 226 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:10,920 Yeah. Like, you don't know, do you? 227 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:12,280 That's the sport. Yeah. 228 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,320 No, you're right. And every time you talk about 229 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,400 some margins, all I think about is the shootout. 230 00:10:16,560 --> 00:10:19,360 And I just think when Rashford's penalty hit the post, yeah, if 231 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,600 that was one inch to the right, that's going in one inch. 232 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:23,960 That's you relive that if you don't. 233 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,520 I don't know why that one bothers me, because he's, I 234 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,560 think it's because it's so stark, because he sends the 235 00:10:28,560 --> 00:10:31,720 keeper completely the wrong way. He does all the hard work so the 236 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,320 goal looks enormous. When you go back and watch it, 237 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:35,440 you're like. How did you miss? 238 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,360 Yeah, you've got 80% of the goal because you've sold the keeper 239 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,520 so well or the keepers die the wrong way, whichever way it is. 240 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,840 And I'm just like just one inch to the right Rashford and you're 241 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:47,120 you're a national hero. But anyway, back away from 242 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:48,880 England. We'll be able to talk about that 243 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:52,680 plenty with the World Cup this summer, but we will head back to 244 00:10:52,680 --> 00:10:55,240 the FA Cup final and actually talk about the match itself. 245 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,600 Beat. The. 246 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:11,080 Culture Club made on the 17th of May 2014 at Wembley with 89,000 247 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:15,720 people in attendance. Arsenal took to the the hallowed 248 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:20,000 turf of Wembley very much firm favourites against Hull City. 249 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:24,480 As we discussed Arsenal, whilst not being the the juggernaut of 250 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,520 Man City that we'd spoken about previously, they are still very 251 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,720 much front and centre expected to win this one. 252 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:34,040 So Arsenal had a team that lined up with still relatively 253 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:35,680 established names. They had Fabianski as their 254 00:11:35,680 --> 00:11:40,280 number one goalkeeper, they had Sagna, Mertzacker, Koscielny, 255 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,080 Kieran Gibbs. That was a faint moment. 256 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:44,760 I know someone that went schooled him, said he was a 257 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,000 knob. So I'll just, you know, leave 258 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:48,400 that hanging in there. Your mate was a knob. 259 00:11:48,680 --> 00:11:53,120 That is also very, very likely. Shout out to Jacob if you're if 260 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:58,520 you're here. Mikhail Arteta was captain and 261 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:00,120 starting centre midfielder for Arsenal. 262 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,280 So there's a lovely little bit of, I've not seen symmetry, 263 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,040 that's not the right word, but just a little bit of 264 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:05,280 foreshadowing. Foreshadowing. 265 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:09,240 Yeah, next to Aaron Ramsay, the assassin who would claim another 266 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:10,400 victim. The killer. 267 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:14,320 Yeah, exactly. Then Santi Cazorla, Mesut Ozil, 268 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,560 Lucas Podolski, the German, Wayne Rooney and Olivier. 269 00:12:17,560 --> 00:12:20,400 You call him that. He when he first burst onto the 270 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,280 scene, it looks equally as exciting. 271 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:24,800 But yeah, Santi Cazorla. So you've got some kind of 272 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,520 really iconic Arsenal players here. 273 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:32,080 So you've got Ramsey, Arteta, Cazorla, Ozil, Koscielny, who 274 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,120 obviously eventually pissed off the fans for posing the wrong. 275 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,320 Are they? Iconic for being underachievers. 276 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:41,280 I mean, you say iconic, but I mean ultimately for me, that 277 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,480 list of players just reminds me of a team that promised much and 278 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,200 didn't deliver a lot. No, I, I think you are. 279 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:49,040 I think you're on the side of the facts there. 280 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,560 I'm on the side of the oh, I remember them. 281 00:12:51,680 --> 00:12:53,200 Yeah, but you like the individual player. 282 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,160 Yeah, I do. And interestingly, I guess 283 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,400 someone like Mesut Ozil, who was a massive coup when they signed 284 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,040 him from Real Madrid, it was a real statement signed. 285 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,960 He then eventually became emblematic of the vendor. 286 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,200 Years, he's just like. You're promising so much, but 287 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,240 actually you're not delivering. He was nowhere near as bad as 288 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,120 people were saying towards the end of his career, but it was 289 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,000 kind of like, this is what will take us to the next level. 290 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,320 And yet nothing really changed. And because of the way Ozil 291 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:17,960 would move around the pitch, a lot of people. 292 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:22,320 Yeah, Exactly. Yeah, Arsenal looked as usual to 293 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,640 kind of play with patience, play with possession, which is what 294 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:29,320 they did. Arteta would sit deep and Ramsey 295 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:33,080 was really in his kind of like box to box midfielder era. 296 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,360 Aaron Ramsey, again, a midfielder that I don't think 297 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,560 gets a lot of credit for, for probably 3 or 4 years he was up 298 00:13:38,560 --> 00:13:40,440 there as one of the best midfielders in the Premier 299 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,640 League. I think up there maybe with 300 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,960 Gerard Lampard, not not for as long, but I do think he was. 301 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:47,040 Did you just say that? I do. 302 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,800 Up there with Gerard Lampard for about three seasons. 303 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:55,400 Why would you say Aaron Ramsey was the Bournemouth of that era? 304 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,360 No, I think he's much more a Newcastle trying to break into 305 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,080 the top 4. On their day, they can win a bit 306 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:05,160 of silverware. On that day, first time in 72 307 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,560 years. Yeah, good point. 308 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,600 Moving on to Hull, however, they played five at the back, 309 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,320 depending on how you view it, but they basically have men 310 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,880 behind the ball. They had a few interesting 311 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:19,720 players. I'd like to point out. 312 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,640 Tom Huddleston, Jake Livermore. Yeah, yeah, once, once England 313 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:25,760 future prospects. They never actually counted too 314 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,080 much, but in particular I want to highlight Alex Bruce is. 315 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:31,960 That Bruce's son it. Is Bruce's son. 316 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,000 Do you know who's manager of Hull City at this point? 317 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,000 It's Steve Bruce. Nepotism alive and well. 318 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,120 Alex Bruce. Starting centre back for his for 319 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,000 his dad's team. Sold them at like 1212 year old 320 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,320 kids club energy isn't it? Steve Bruce? 321 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,520 Man of the match goes to Alex Bruce. 322 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,480 Oh, that's convenient, isn't it? Steve Bruce has just become a 323 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,240 figure of fun in my head because of the amount of times I've sent 324 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:58,160 you that. Beam me, you say? 325 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:01,080 A lot of people at parties. Just not then. 326 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:02,720 I'm sure everyone listening knows. 327 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,520 Just look up Steve Bruce meme, you'll find it. 328 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,280 Yeah, exactly the thing. He's probably most famous. 329 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,520 So Hull decided to do what most London underdog teams do, just 330 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,200 keep it as tight as they can at the back and try and make 331 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,120 something from set pieces. Huddleston in particular 332 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,760 basically was Huddleston and Arteta that was sat in those 333 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,800 quarterback roles trying to dictate things for their teams. 334 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,320 But interestingly enough, and we've spoken about this in the 335 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:29,040 past, normally FA Cup finals or any cup final tend to be 336 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,120 tentative. They tend to be let's you know, 337 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:32,560 feel each other out. Let's see what's going to 338 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,520 happen. Hull decide to RIP up the 339 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,120 script. So 4 minutes into the game, go 340 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:42,080 on Hull City take a shock one nil lead over Arsenal from James 341 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:43,800 Chester. There's a set piece taken by 342 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,360 Stephen Quinn and it is a real like scolds the edge of the box. 343 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,960 Huddleston is waiting on. Everyone is is piling into the 344 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:52,960 air expecting the ball to be chucked in the mixer. 345 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:54,640 Huddleston's waiting on the edge of the area. 346 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:56,920 This great set piece gets floated in. 347 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,320 Huddleston lines up and you're like go on son, absolutely smash 348 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,360 it. It's really, really inviting and 349 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:03,680 you're like, this is going to be on the FA wake up. 350 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,160 Grace unfortunately scuffs his shot somewhat. 351 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,680 It drills. It is teammate James Chester 352 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,760 who, for a centre back, sorts his feet out really, really well 353 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,160 and manages to kind of divert the ball towards the Arsenal 354 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,200 goal and it's finishing to the bottom corners and absolutely 355 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:19,640 impeach. Yeah, you've set me up. 356 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:23,040 Here I know it's it's amazing, but 4 minutes in I'll take the 357 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,280 lead. Stunned Arsenal's defence before 358 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,400 and they'd even really got started, so an incredible 359 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,440 moment. And then shock turns to absolute 360 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,160 chaos. So minutes later, minute 9. 361 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,320 I think I'm beginning to remember this final. 362 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,440 Minute 9 The cat is amongst the pigeons. 363 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,720 Whole City have turned up to Wembley smelling blood and 364 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,080 they've gone after Arsenal again, another set piece. 365 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,080 So how good? You know that Tom Huddleston 366 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,560 deep free kick he floats into was the far post who should be 367 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,240 there? Alex Bruce doing his dad proud 368 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,360 saying dad look at me, look at me. 369 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,280 And he headers the ball powerfully against the post as 370 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,160 it as it comes back out. Whole captain Curtis Davies 371 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,440 reacts quickest, smashing the rebound in from quite a tight 372 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:09,119 angle and Hull, incredibly, despite being massive underdogs, 373 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,440 go 2 nil up within 10 minutes. It's another cross in the 374 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,839 queuing up again, Fabiowski makes the save, Hull has scored 375 00:17:15,839 --> 00:17:20,040 it's two nil, Curtis Davis has bundled the ball in and Arsenal 376 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:23,040 all over the place. Well, it's just going from bad 377 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,200 to worse now. We're not winning first headers, 378 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,520 we're not stopping crosses, we're just not picking up in the 379 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,800 box. Absolutely amazing stuff. 380 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:35,160 So Hull scored twice from their three first three shots on goal, 381 00:17:35,360 --> 00:17:38,000 Hull have come out and they have absolutely slaughtered. 382 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,120 That's gonna be a heartbreaker. It's gonna be a heartbreaker. 383 00:17:40,120 --> 00:17:41,400 I know it is. I don't remember what happened. 384 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:46,760 Yeah, so Wenger shock horror, just demanded calm and patience 385 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:50,960 and after the second goal goes in it flicks him in his dugout 386 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,320 and he's just doing the universal gesture for calm down 387 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,760 hands just patting an imaginary dog. 388 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,920 Just calm down. But to be fair to Finger, 389 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,160 Arsenal calm down, they start to regain their composure and only 390 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,880 6 minutes later they start to get back in the game through a 391 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,440 moment of pure magic. This one, the FA Cup final goals 392 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,200 that I've forgotten about until I rewatched the highlights and 393 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,760 it is an astonishing free kick from Santi Cazorla. 394 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:17,880 Oh yeah, yeah. So absolutely amazing stuff. 395 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:19,720 So I love Cazorla for two reasons. 396 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,200 One, because recently he's gone back to his hometown club, the 397 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,600 Rail Oviedo got them promoted to La Liga for the first time in 398 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,040 years, scoring a winning goal in like the semi final. 399 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:32,200 Great kind of Cinderella story going back home and rising up, 400 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:33,760 however. Cinderella did that, yeah. 401 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:35,080 You know, she went back and she was like. 402 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:37,360 She played for. Her own time and. 403 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:43,120 He had one boot though, yeah. Nice one footed player in the 404 00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:46,840 generation. Which is actually a segue into 405 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:48,600 the second reason I love Santi Gazola. 406 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,160 It's just he was one of those footballers that didn't know 407 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,880 which was the stronger foot. So he would take corners, left 408 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:55,920 footed and right foot. He would take penalties, left 409 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,480 footed, right foot and he didn't know which was the strongest. 410 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:02,160 Truly an amphibious player. Enjoyable. 411 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,360 But this free kick is amazing. He's about 2528 yards out 412 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,400 towards the kind of slight left of the goal and it's just an 413 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,680 outrageous free kick. He's got one thing on his mind. 414 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:17,440 He curls it an absolute Peach into the far corner and Alan 415 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,480 McGregor holds. Goalkeeper has no chance of 416 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,920 getting there. It's just so aesthetically 417 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,000 pleasing to watch. On the replay, you do see 418 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,320 McGregor gets fingertips to it, which is amazing, but can't keep 419 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,720 it out. And then, but really I think 420 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,560 that is the story of the cup final in as much as I think if 421 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,680 it goes on longer, Arsenal get nervy, they get a bit light off, 422 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,400 we falling short again. But the fact that 6 minutes 423 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,200 after going 2 nil down, they pull goal back I think allows 424 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,160 them to then almost reset and go, OK, we've got a lot of the 425 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,440 game left, we can still go and do something about this. 426 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,600 So the next kind of 20 minutes or so, Arsenal dominate 427 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:55,480 possession, Erzil starts getting involved, Cazorla and Podolski 428 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,120 send some long range shots against McGregor to keep him 429 00:19:58,120 --> 00:20:01,320 busy, and Hull eventually kind of revert to type and start 430 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,080 sitting further and further back, getting deeper and deeper 431 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,680 and deeper. Half an hour in, Giroud gets a 432 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,400 really good header on a Santi Cazorla cross, but McGregor 433 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,960 manages to tip it wide. However, the last chance really 434 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,800 for Hull comes in 36 minutes. Alex Bruce again. 435 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,640 He's heading. He is, and it's a diving 436 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,960 clearance from Kieran Gibbs, that man on the line which 437 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,240 manages to keep Arsenal within the game rather than making a 438 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:26,520 hole. It's a really good goal line 439 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:28,000 clearance. But Alex Bruce again. 440 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:29,200 But Dad. How can I do? 441 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,600 You frown. Oh, just a little. 442 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,120 Just a little short, a little bit. 443 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,880 You just think it's going to be awkward around the the dinner 444 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:37,040 table for a big Sunday. I'll write you. 445 00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:38,280 I'll write you into the next book. 446 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:43,320 Yeah. So Arsenal were fully in control 447 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,720 heading into the second-half, but they hadn't managed to get 448 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:50,120 that equalizer. So in the second-half, normal 449 00:20:50,120 --> 00:20:51,840 services resumed. Arsenal starts to turn the 450 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:53,240 screw. They dominate possession. 451 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:57,520 They are camped in holes half and hole drop to a 541 and 452 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,360 basically it this is kind of. They were just trying to hold on 453 00:21:00,360 --> 00:21:03,320 then, yeah. It's unfortunately it's almost 454 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:07,080 like hole we're beginning to believe at the start. 455 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:11,200 Is beginning. And then they kind of realize, 456 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,000 oh, actually the odds are against us. 457 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,960 And I think it's one of those things when you start to panic, 458 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:17,040 don't you? Because when you don't have the 459 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,600 ball for 5 minutes at a time, when you do get it, you think we 460 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,080 have to do something with it. And your kind of decision making 461 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,560 goes out the window. And the hull can't even manage 462 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,120 any kind of established attacks. There's no quick breaks, there's 463 00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:30,040 no counter attacking. They just kind of get the ball, 464 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,520 punt it away and just are starting to panic. 465 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,720 So 68 minutes in, this is an equalizer that comes from Lauren 466 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,480 Koscielny. So as a controversial corner 467 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,080 that was actually awarded, replay showed that it should 468 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,000 have been a goal kick. So Stevie Bruce at the end of 469 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,280 the game would highlight this as one of the turning points. 470 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,600 And I'm kind of like, I I get it. 471 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,160 But the goal probably would have came anyway if it hadn't been 472 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,360 this quarter, it probably would have been something else. 473 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,000 Sanya's header is rebounded off of the goal scorer James Chester 474 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,800 for Hull and it falls to Lauren Koscielny, who manages to turn 475 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:04,840 and score from six yards. Because all this corner and he's 476 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:10,400 turned in from very close range by Laurent Koscielny, he's the 477 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:18,040 one the Arsenal players jump on. It's another defender and Arsene 478 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,440 Wenger's team have come back from 2 nil down at Wembley. 479 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,000 Gregor rushes out to try and block it and absolutely 480 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,680 annihilates I. Just want to get injured. 481 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,000 Yeah, that's right. But nevertheless, Arsenal 482 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,840 managed to score. Whole players protested, but the 483 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,120 goal stood. And now it's kind of right, 484 00:22:34,120 --> 00:22:36,600 handing over to Arsenal. They've come back from 2 nil 485 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,000 down, it's 2. All big. 486 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,120 MO is with her, is with them. Sorry. 487 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,480 We're gonna bring us on Big MO. Big MO She's. 488 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:46,600 Summer signing the. 12th man and then in the kind of last 10 489 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,720 minutes or so of the game there is a few more chaotic moments. 490 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,240 So 78th minute there is a penalty appeal, Arsenal claiming 491 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,000 for handball against Curtis Davies. 492 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,320 It does hit his hand, but it's one of those where it's like he 493 00:22:58,360 --> 00:23:00,600 hasn't done it intentionally. Given neither, wouldn't it? 494 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:01,800 Well. It would, yeah, absolutely 495 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,960 would, but nevertheless it's waved away in this one. 496 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,840 Kieran Gibbs gets a chance. He goes for A12 with Ozil but 497 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,280 blasts over from 10 yards with the goal is mercy. 498 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,400 Could have happened to a nicer bloke from reports. 499 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,640 I I have no no idea Jacob. Yeah, I have no idea if Kieran 500 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,240 Gibbs is actually. Could be, absolutely. 501 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,720 Yeah, he could be could be the nice guy in the world, but when 502 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,440 he was a 15 year old kid, he was apparently just arrogant and. 503 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,640 Full of himself. Well, if you're if you're 15 504 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,480 year old and you play for a Premier League club, I probably 505 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:27,960 would be a little bit full of myself too, yeah. 506 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:29,760 I mean, when you were 15 you were full of yourself. 507 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:30,880 Exactly. Premier League club. 508 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,200 No I did not, but I was probably the fittest player on my under 509 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,800 sixteens pitch so. Fittest as in best looking? 510 00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:40,440 I'll let the There's a reason this is an audio media, ladies 511 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:46,480 and gentlemen, in the 83rd minute, Sanogo, which he's a 512 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,840 kind of a player that's lost to Arsenal folklore because he did 513 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,760 absolutely nothing for his entire time there. 514 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,200 But yeah, yeah. Sanogo replaces Lucas Podolski, 515 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:58,160 the German Wayne Rooney and it. But to be fair, it's Sanogo's 516 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,760 energy that starts creating loads of chaos amongst the whole 517 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,040 back line and that's my memory of Yaya Sanogo. 518 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,520 He's just a striker that just ran a lot I. 519 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,400 Had no memory of him. No, it's because he doesn't 520 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,440 score goals, which as a striker is something that you would. 521 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,840 Kind of selling is. It no, but he's buzzing around 522 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,360 like a family and that's, to be fair, what brings about the kind 523 00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:18,720 of exhaustion of holds back line which creates the chaos that 524 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:23,200 allows Arsenal to take the lead. So the game itself does head 525 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:27,240 into extra time right at this point, Hull are they're they're 526 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,680 blowing, they are out on their feet and yet again, Arsenal just 527 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,320 relentless pressure camping out in holes. 528 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:39,360 Half Giroud Manchester get his massive head on the ball 105 529 00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:42,120 minutes in, but it goes against the crossbar and she's really 530 00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:44,480 putting himself about whole hanging on by willpower alone. 531 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,640 But the decisive moment comes just 4 minutes late. 109 minutes 532 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,400 in, Arsenal finally get the breakthrough and what would turn 533 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,480 out to be winning goal. And it was that man, Aaron 534 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,000 Ramsey. Celebrities everywhere started 535 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,120 writing their wills hearing Aaron Ramsey scoring. 536 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:00,920 But it's a really, really good goal. 537 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,400 So yeah, yeah. So no go creating a load of 538 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,960 confusion with his running buzzing around like a family. 539 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,520 Bull gets played through to Giroud, who's running away from 540 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,480 the goal. Ramsey starts charging into the 541 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,760 box and it's Giroud's like presence of mind. 542 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,880 It's a really, really classy assist. 543 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,840 He back heels the ball perfectly into Ramsey's path, who kind of 544 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,520 stabs with the outside of his foot to score at the near post 545 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,760 is a really good finish from Ramsey, very inventive, really 546 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,080 great precision with it. But it's all about Giroud's 547 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,080 assist, he's going away from goal, notices Ramsey running 548 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,160 over behind his shoulder, there's a great back heel and to 549 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,840 be fair, it's a it's a goal worthy of winning an FA Cup 550 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,920 final. But Hull go through heartache, 551 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,200 Arsenal are jubilant and Arsenal lift the FA Cup trophy for a 552 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:49,520 record time. Well, you have just witnessed 90 553 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,080 of the most terrific minutes of European football you'll ever, 554 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,360 ever see. The good. 555 00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:58,960 News is there's more to come, so the final went to extra time and 556 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,280 it's our extra time now. The wing gave Arsenal a joint 557 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,160 record 11th FA Cup title with Manchester United. 558 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,240 Arsenal would go on to win a few more and take that title 559 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,200 outright in the future. Arsenal would already qualified 560 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:12,800 for the Champions League, so we spoke about with their league 561 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,520 position, which meant that Hull qualified for the Europa League 562 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,800 and it was on the 1st on the last time. 563 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,840 Sorry that that rule would be in place where if you were the 564 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,400 runner up in the Cup final you would make your way into Europe. 565 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:24,800 It would go down a league position. 566 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,640 Exactly, exactly. It's. 567 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,600 Much more fitting. I think that's more correct 568 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,280 because you've done. More Yeah, exactly. 569 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,320 Yeah, you have earned it over. But it does mean less romance 570 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,400 and moments like this where the underdog can find themselves, 571 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,280 however. Get the job done, then Hull. 572 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,240 Well, yeah, Hull, unfortunately, we'll talk about that in a 573 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,000 second. But Curtis Davies, the Hull 574 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,720 captain and one of the goal scorers, was quoted afterwards 575 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,480 just saying when Arsenal lifted the cup I started to crime eyes 576 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:49,640 out. We were that close. 577 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,360 Which that's when you feel for it. 578 00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:54,680 Like you just think is the pinnacle not just of this guys 579 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,840 career but of the club, of the town. 580 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,520 You're kind of like you've got so much. 581 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,520 And they were to go 2 nil up against Arsenal, but 582 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,440 unfortunately, it had been thrown away. 583 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,720 A little bit of trivia here. A new version of the FA Cup 584 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,720 trophy was present for the first time in this final. 585 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,760 It was made of sterling silver, was heavier and more. 586 00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:12,920 Yeah. So apparently it's more robust. 587 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,640 People were worried about the old FA Cup literally getting 588 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,080 crumpled and kind of bashed. It was bigger. 589 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:19,800 That's correct. Yeah. 590 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:21,600 So they'd kind of gone to the new one. 591 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,920 It's a little bit of nostalgia for you. 592 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,680 Leona Lewis sang Abide With Me in the national anthem. 593 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:27,720 Bleeding Love. Yeah. 594 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,280 Just keep Bleeding, Love. I always thought it was funny 595 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,080 that her video for that song was her up against loads of 596 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,600 radiators. Is that right? 597 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,040 It's just doing that for plumbing. 598 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,800 She loves plumbing that girl. Keep bleeding rats. 599 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,680 So there's no way to go from that jovial to this. 600 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,520 Some somber news with a good segue. 601 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,440 So I'll just say it as it was. At Wembley, spectators observed 602 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,760 a 56 minute applause to commemorate the 56 victims of 603 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,200 the 1985 Bradford City Stadium fire. 604 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,440 It was the 29th anniversary just five days beforehand. 605 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:03,680 No, six days beforehand. Sorry. 606 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,000 So it was just to commemorate the people that had lost their 607 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,880 lives. So I thought it was a nice touch 608 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,760 for the fans and for the FA to obviously have made the 609 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,360 announcement that there would be, I mean, it's applause to 610 00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:18,280 kind of remember those victims. Arsenal fans at the end of the 611 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,920 game would spill onto the pitch during the final whistle really. 612 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,800 So pitch invasion for their first trophy in nine years at 613 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,560 Wembley. Then they could do that. 614 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,680 Well, I guess no one's going to stop you, are they? 615 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,840 But it was kind of a bit of half hearted pitch invasion. 616 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,880 A lot of fans got onto the pitch, but also you can see a 617 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,800 lot of fans in the stands. Like really a little bit. 618 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,800 Kind of like small. Club mentality it's a bit 619 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,720 Arsenal as well and you don't quite get the job done. 620 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,560 Looks nice though. Yeah, I mean like struggling to 621 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,880 an extra time win against Hull and then like storming the 622 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,640 pictures and quite the same if it was the other way around. 623 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,360 You can imagine the whole fans doing it, and quite. 624 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:51,280 Right, doesn't fit. Does. 625 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,120 It no, it's a little bit tin pot and I don't mind saying that. 626 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,240 So we mentioned that Hull as runners up would get to appear 627 00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:59,800 in European competition the next season. 628 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,840 However, it does not go to plan. So they did have to go through a 629 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,920 Europa League playoff round. They beat AS Trensin, who I 630 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,520 actually don't know where they're from, let's say some 631 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,440 Romanian teams. The name looks Romanian but I 632 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,360 have no idea. They managed to beat them, but 633 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,560 they were knocked down the next round by Lochran on away goals. 634 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,960 So they drew 2 all over 2 legs and unfortunately they didn't 635 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,040 even make it into the Europa League proper, which, and we've 636 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,000 seen this with clubs like Leicester and stuff that 637 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,400 overstretched themselves. It meant that Hull, even though 638 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,240 they didn't get into Europe, clearly the emotion, the 639 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,280 pinnacle, whatever it was, meant that they couldn't repeat the 640 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,480 glory that they had next season and got relegated. 641 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,120 I think sometimes it might be different with Leicester because 642 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,680 they obviously we're in the Champions League, but I think 643 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,440 there's something where with Hull, Europe surely would have 644 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,200 just been the final was the day, yeah. 645 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,040 And Europe's the novelty, yeah. The kind of like cool bit that 646 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,600 you get to do, but you're not really as bothered surely? 647 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,000 I guess so, but then you kind of think for a lot of these Hull 648 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,680 City players, when are they gonna play? 649 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,200 For not they wouldn't want to, but just they'll look back and 650 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,360 they'll remember the final. Yeah, more than playing AS Trent 651 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,480 in deepest Bucharest. Yeah, no, no, you are quite 652 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,400 right. And yeah, whether it was just 653 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,040 that, like you say, that they had achieved the pinnacle of 654 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,040 their careers and and realistically probably like, 655 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,120 well, it doesn't really get better than this for Hull. 656 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,480 And yeah, they were relegated that season and same. 657 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,240 Season as they got to the final. No, sorry. 658 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,600 The season after Yeah, the the the. 659 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,840 Wish you could argue extra games in Europe. 660 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,040 Well, yeah, it was, it was only four extra games, but yeah, I, I 661 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:30,520 just think your head's turned, isn't it you? 662 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,400 Kind of think. Well, that's as good as it gets. 663 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,320 And they wouldn't have the squad to cope with that kind of 664 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:35,840 demand. No, exactly. 665 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,320 So unfortunately that was as good as it got for whole in 110 666 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,040 years. The only other bit of trivia 667 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,480 that I have is that ITV were hosting the FA Cup final on 668 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,800 domestic television this year and they had 10 million viewers, 669 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,920 which realistically that's like one in six people, one in seven 670 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,480 people watching the FA Cup final. 671 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,600 So even in the mid 2000s it's still an enormous event. 672 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,400 And I just think often we talk about how the FA Cup final isn't 673 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,080 what it used to be, but there there is still some appeal to 674 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:03,680 this. I know this is a decade ago now, 675 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:08,040 but 10 million people watching the live the FA Cup final was 676 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,000 kind of. I think people have an eye on 677 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,280 the FA Cup final. I don't think it's what it was 678 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,720 in the 80s where it's like sit down on occasion for for 679 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,080 whoever's in it. But I still think it's a it's 680 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:21,160 difficult. You can't compare it with the 681 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,560 Champions League because like Champions League has got the 682 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,000 pull of AI mean you could argue the world that alone the 683 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,760 continent. But I think when it's your 684 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:32,080 Nations Cup final, I do think if you're a football fan, you, you 685 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,600 will know what's going on. Yeah. 686 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,360 And if you you know, you can watch it. 687 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:36,480 You will watch it if you're free. 688 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,440 Like I don't, I don't think people like I cannot be asked 689 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,240 with the. FA no, Final no, although you do 690 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,880 get that attitude with people with the international break and 691 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,560 that that makes me sick to my stomach. 692 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,000 People this week have been complaining on my group chat. 693 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,680 So you're like, oh it's bloody international week and then 694 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,200 yeah, it's international week. Get beyond your country, Stop 695 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,800 going on Tommy Robinson marches and get yourself to Wembley. 696 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,040 Start supporting our nation. Get behind you better flag 697 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,040 making sure everybody saw you. Yeah, exactly. 698 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,840 I was wearing my England top. Terry Butcher with the Band of 699 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,480 Drama. Gary Neville's coming for you, 700 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,640 mate. I'm with that ominous sentence. 701 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:14,040 Join us next week to find out who wins 2015 FA Cup.