1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,320 Have you come to ask for help? Help them? 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:05,440 She knew exactly who to call. She knew which world to access. 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,400 She knew how to access it. This does not seem, at least to 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:10,720 me, like it was a first time encounter. 5 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:14,720 It truly never occurred to me that the factions might be 6 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,320 between the Princess. That makes way more sense. 7 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,960 So sorry guys, I told Ronnie I had a banter topic. 8 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,520 So now she's eagerly waiting to hear what the banter topic is. 9 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:40,080 Have you watched or heard of Off Campus? 10 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,640 I never hear of anything TV related until you tell me to be 11 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:49,200 clear, but I did see it in the discord this week as it retains 12 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,760 to heated rivalry relations. This is why I'm so excited 13 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,600 because this is actually a timely relevant banter topic 14 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,720 because I'm pretty sure this show came out on Friday. 15 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,240 Maybe I don't know what day of the week it came out last week. 16 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,040 It's Sunday. We're like on top of it, which 17 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,360 is pretty good. I put this timeline on Instagram 18 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,840 but basically same as you. Friday morning I woke up having 19 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,720 no idea what off campus was and then someone pinged about it in 20 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,400 the discord and I was like I'm bored. 21 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,120 I'll look up the trailer for off campus. 22 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,200 I was like, I think I want to watch this. 23 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,560 Should I look it up right now? You should like it up right now. 24 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,560 But Derek was playing a show. Not only was Derek playing a 25 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,000 show, Derek was playing a show from 10:00 PM to 2:00 AM, which 26 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:29,320 you know, I'm not going to go to. 27 00:01:29,320 --> 00:01:30,800 There's no way I'm going to that. 28 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,040 Sorry babe, love you. I'm not going to that show. 29 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:34,720 So I was like, yeah, I have a whole night. 30 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,640 I have a whole night to myself. I'm going to watch this show. 31 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:42,480 I watched 5 episodes in a row of Off Campus. 32 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,920 I cannot remember the last time I watched 5 episodes in a row 33 00:01:46,320 --> 00:01:47,560 of. Anything. 34 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,880 Oh, another hockey situation. OK, so it is a hockey situation. 35 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:53,840 It's a very different hockey situation. 36 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:59,080 This is straight hockey, not gay hockey, which, you know, it's so 37 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,960 far it's a pretty straight show. Have finished it at this point 38 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:04,280 in time. I loved it. 39 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,240 I loved this show. So good. 40 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,199 Like, OK, so I guess it's based on a series of books. 41 00:02:10,199 --> 00:02:12,200 I haven't read the books. I guess I should just put that 42 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:13,560 out there. Like, I don't, I don't know 43 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:18,200 these books, but the men in this show, the hockey team in this 44 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:19,680 show. Houston is in this show. 45 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:24,760 Josh Houston is in this show. Josh Houston, our listeners will 46 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,400 probably know as the man who is rumored to be playing Zaden. 47 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,320 I got to say, Josh Houston plays a real asshole in this show. 48 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,320 So I'm kind of like, oh, I kind of hope he's not playing Zaden. 49 00:02:35,920 --> 00:02:39,480 Josh Houston is in it like the, I guess the main characters are 50 00:02:39,640 --> 00:02:41,560 a hockey team. Like my understanding of this 51 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,280 series is that there's these four guys who are on a hockey 52 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,480 team and I think there's four books and each one of them is 53 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,960 basically like their love stories, basically. 54 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,560 I love these men. I love the relationships they 55 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:56,880 have with each other. I love the friendships they have 56 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,320 with each other. Like I love the emotional 57 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,680 maturity of these men. And of course, they're all 58 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,200 supposed to be in college. And this is the same thing I had 59 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:05,680 with. Zeta, remember when we read 4th 60 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,240 Wing and I was like, this man is 42, This man is not 20. 61 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,440 Like he does not have the emotional maturity of a 20 year 62 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,080 old. But it's the same thing where 63 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:17,480 it's like their friendships are like so much deeper than what I 64 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:19,760 would think of as 20 year old male friendships. 65 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,040 Like they talk about real shit. They still struggle. 66 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,520 Like they absolutely still struggle with opening up to each 67 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:26,720 other. But I'm just like, Oh my God, 68 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,600 like these boys. These boys are so so. 69 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:32,960 Good and the same thing. There's like basically two 70 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,360 female main characters and their friendship is so sweet and like 71 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,200 the romance is great, but I'm like, Oh my God, the friendships 72 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,800 on this show. Yeah, so good. 73 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,160 Love them. So I highly recommend if you 74 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:46,520 haven't watched it, you should watch it. 75 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,200 It's really fun. You specifically I think would 76 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:50,400 like it. I don't know if you have time to 77 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,320 watch it, but you know it's really fun. 78 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:54,200 Hold that one. Why not? 79 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,680 I'll watch. I'll watch during Slice Sunday. 80 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:00,640 Tonight, slice and salad. Exactly, I will say Derek had no 81 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,880 interest in watching it when I showed him the trailer, so I'm 82 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,680 not sure if Connor's going to be all about it, but he might be. 83 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,440 I actually feel like Connor is way more romance. 84 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:13,480 He inclined he got hooked by heated rivalry, I will say. 85 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:14,880 Yeah. Well, so did Derek. 86 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:16,800 I mean, heated rivalry really grips you. 87 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:18,200 Yeah. Yeah. 88 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:19,519 Really. Oh, sorry, I forgot. 89 00:04:19,519 --> 00:04:23,560 This is a podcast. Yeah, Abby was clenching her 90 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,360 fists. Yeah, he also gets hooked by 91 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,600 like, like romance reality TV shows. 92 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,680 So I feel like there's hope in that regard to I'm trying to 93 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:36,680 think what else romancey he gets. 94 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,080 He got hooked on. I mean Wuthering Heights, 95 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:40,840 honestly. Got Derek hated Wuthering 96 00:04:40,840 --> 00:04:43,200 Heights, so yeah. Oh yeah. 97 00:04:43,280 --> 00:04:46,160 I think Connor could like it. He could like. 98 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,880 And I'd actually love Connor to watch it because I'd love to 99 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,600 hear Connor's take on it. Like, what I actually loved 100 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,920 about this is these are guys on a hockey team and they talk 101 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,120 about their hockey, but like, they never talk about sports. 102 00:04:58,120 --> 00:04:59,880 Like, you know how guys are always talking about sports? 103 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:03,320 There's only one conversation, a guy having a conversation with 104 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,760 another guy about sports. And it's actually supposed to 105 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,560 show how distant they are and how unconnected they are. 106 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,520 And I was like, I actually love that they put this in here. 107 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,840 This is fucking brilliant because guys talking about 108 00:05:12,840 --> 00:05:14,760 sports is such a true. So well done. 109 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:15,800 Well done. Yeah. 110 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:16,800 Cool. It's good. 111 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,640 It's good. I have a I feel like I have a 112 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,920 lot to just like, catch up on on the world, like in, in the 113 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,160 television realm. Like I haven't, yeah. 114 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,480 I haven't even started thinking about when I'm going to see The 115 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:34,480 Devil Wears Prada too. I've heard is actually I've I 116 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:35,760 don't know. I've heard mixed things. 117 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:37,280 I've heard I've heard mixed things too. 118 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,640 I'm certainly not as good as the first, which like to be clear, 119 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,720 the first has such a high bar. It's like one of the most iconic 120 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:46,880 ROM com. Would we call it a ROM com? 121 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,960 I mean, I guess it's not ROM, but it's certainly COM. 122 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,720 Certainly COM, but I'm not sure I'd call it ROM like. 123 00:05:54,840 --> 00:05:58,760 I would say the romance is third string at best in that movie. 124 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:00,520 But I feel like the ROM is with herself. 125 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,520 A self ROM com. Yeah, but it has like I would 126 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,040 put it in the bucket of like it's a feel good. 127 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,480 I'm watching something for feel good purposes. 128 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:13,800 Girl power. A movie about choosing a career 129 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,280 to work for the most toxic person ever ever. 130 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:20,400 A boy who loves you. Yes, that is a feel good movie. 131 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,200 I guess in the end she does leave her but. 132 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:30,240 I am who I am isn't making sure that anyways. 133 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,160 No, Leave it in. Leave it in all right, what I 134 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,800 was going to bring up, and I do think this is fair on our TV 135 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:40,200 topic is the 4th wing was just announced officially a go at 136 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,800 Amazon Prime, which is also part of why I washed off campus 137 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,960 because I was like, how do they do? 138 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:46,320 Yes, we're very excited about it. 139 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,320 I actually didn't even realize it wasn't officially a go. 140 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,160 And then I was like, I guess this was like a maybe situation 141 00:06:52,280 --> 00:06:55,640 having washed off campus. I think Amazon Prime could 142 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:57,120 actually do a really good job with this. 143 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:58,720 Like I'm, I'm really excited about it. 144 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,080 OK. Do you know boys of Tamen, has 145 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:02,640 that come across your like algorithm? 146 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:04,440 That was exactly what I was about to bring up. 147 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,640 I'm very nervous, OK? Do you watch it? 148 00:07:07,840 --> 00:07:08,960 Do you do? Did you read it? 149 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,680 I haven't read it but I did scroll like furiously scroll the 150 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,400 comments on the casting announcements like on TikTok on 151 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,520 Instagram and people are mixed at best. 152 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,520 I would say not happy about the male castings. 153 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,800 And I am of the opinion. I'm allowed to express my 154 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:27,720 opinions. I think I'm of the opinion. 155 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,120 Is our podcast. We all need to chill the fuck 156 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,440 out. Like we all need to calm the 157 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:36,440 fuck down. I think especially, especially 158 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:40,200 with forthright right, like I think we've gotten heated 159 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,040 rivalry. We've gotten off campus. 160 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,840 I think they've both been huge with for the romance genre, 161 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:45,720 right? I agree. 162 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,200 We are out here champing at the bit for these shows to be made 163 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:50,720 right. If we are out here like being 164 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,400 like, Oh my God, we want a fourth wing show. 165 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,720 We love it, we want it. We cannot freak out about 166 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,600 casting without seeing the show, right? 167 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,280 Like that's just that's just my mindset at this point that it's 168 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,920 like we cannot both be we need this show, we need this show, we 169 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,080 need this show. And then as soon as the cast is 170 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:07,800 announced be like, what the fuck? 171 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:09,760 This isn't how I saw it in my head. 172 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:11,840 Right. Like I agree with you, and I 173 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:16,160 also think many people who who have read 4th Wing have either 174 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:20,920 had a reignited love for reading or they are just finding their 175 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,080 love for reading. And I think like you and I and 176 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,560 many people who are listening to us and many people who have read 177 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:31,680 4th Wing have been reading books that have been adapted for a 178 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,799 long time. And like you, the people who 179 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:38,240 have been doing that, myself included, have seen actors who 180 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,240 when you look at them, you're like, OK, like wouldn't have 181 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,679 been my like, not how I envisioned them in my head. 182 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,400 You, you like, see them bring it. 183 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,320 Like, you see them embody the characters in a way that maybe 184 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,120 you wouldn't have necessarily picked. 185 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,480 But like, it is an adaptation. I like. 186 00:08:53,560 --> 00:08:55,560 I hate to keep coming back to Harry Potter, but Harry Potter 187 00:08:55,560 --> 00:08:57,560 was one for me. I was like, this is not. 188 00:08:57,560 --> 00:08:59,880 This is not how I imagine the characters in my brain. 189 00:08:59,920 --> 00:09:03,640 I think they did a nice job like they did a nice job. 190 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,120 They took on a new persona of that character for me, for me. 191 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,480 I think this is actually so funny. 192 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,920 I had I had this crazy self ROM experience so to speak like a 193 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:17,360 self moment of reflection. Someone commented someone 194 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:21,520 commented on our Nesta deep dive like this was from so long ago, 195 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,400 but someone commented on it and was like, I could really see 196 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:28,040 Emilia Clarke playing Nesta, who of course played Daenerys 197 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,960 Targaryen. But I have I had completely like 198 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,880 for a moment I was like Emilia Clarke, she's so sweet, she's so 199 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:35,520 bubbly. I don't know that she could pull 200 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:39,880 that off completely forgetting that she had played Daenerys 201 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,560 Kurt Targaryen, mother of Dragons, like completely 202 00:09:42,560 --> 00:09:45,400 forgetting it. And this is when I'm like, OK, 203 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,400 we need to trust the casting process because I would never 204 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,760 like the Emilia Clarke. Like we see now the Emilia 205 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:53,840 Clarke on Instagram. It's like you don't look at that 206 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,280 and think Mother of Dragons, but she fucking brought it. 207 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,640 She was so good, right? So like, anyway, that's my 208 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,160 slight rant for the day. I just think we all got to got 209 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:06,280 to trust we I am just I'm going to be very disappointed. 210 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:10,440 The 4th wing casting announcements are met with just 211 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,120 like, that's not sated, that's not violent, you know, like just 212 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:19,160 think, just think we should all. Like I will, I'm going to get 213 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,000 crucified. I know that I'm going to get 214 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:22,960 crucified. Don't come for me. 215 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:27,320 I know you're going to. But like I, I can see Josh 216 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,160 Houston personally, I can see it. 217 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:35,360 I can see after Dune that show the show I didn't watch it. 218 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:39,680 They would like to watch it. I can see it with some, with 219 00:10:39,680 --> 00:10:42,360 some good acting and a good opposite. 220 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,120 I could see it like actors. There's a reason they're actors. 221 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,360 I'll say that I agree like this. Is what I'm saying. 222 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,120 If it is Josh Houston, do I personally think Josh Houston 223 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:51,800 would be better for Bodie than for Zaidan? 224 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,120 Absolutely. On looks alone, of course yes. 225 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,720 But if it is. Josh Houston also on other 226 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:02,640 things to be clear also also his also the way that he acts I 227 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:04,160 think. Well, yeah, now that I've seen 228 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,240 him, now that I've seen him in of campus, I'm like, what is the 229 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:07,920 name? He could be off. 230 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:09,760 Campus. He would be like great whiny 231 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,280 bitchy Bodie. That is essentially the 232 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,480 character he's playing. That's like he's that is 233 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,680 basically it is basically an audition reel for Bodie. 234 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,120 But love that. Also, guys, sorry if you haven't 235 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:23,920 read 4th Wing and you're just here for Crescent City. 236 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:25,560 Sorry, we're talking about Fourth Wing so much. 237 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,560 They do cast him. I trust that there's vision and 238 00:11:30,560 --> 00:11:32,240 that there's a reason for it, right. 239 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,680 I just I'm going to trust the professionals to do their job 240 00:11:35,680 --> 00:11:38,600 here. That's just I guess the the 241 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,120 thesis of what I'm trying to say. 242 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,600 But with that, hi, I'm Abby, I'm Ronnie. 243 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:49,080 This is Drag is in the Details, the podcast that helps you 244 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,720 better understand your favorite fantasy books through a series 245 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,720 of deep dive episodes. This season we are on our third 246 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:00,960 deep dive of this season. We are covering Crescent City. 247 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,400 This episode will contain Crescent City and ACOTAR 248 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,840 spoilers. This episode is being published 249 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,480 in May 2026. 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All right, fun question. 304 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,440 So this is from Violet the emoji. 305 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:04,760 The question is which house would you want to be in and 306 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,160 which house would you actually be in? 307 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,640 I am assuming these are Crescent City houses. 308 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,000 Yes, Crescent City houses. That was my that was my 309 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,000 assumption by let the emoji. You did not specify, but we 310 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,960 assumed that was the case when we answered. 311 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,800 I mean, typically this is a question about Hogwarts houses, 312 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,000 but this is the Crescent City. Yeah. 313 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,720 Also, I think, I mean, we have a mostly mass first page at this 314 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:30,680 point. So it would be kind of, I would 315 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,280 be surprised actually, if somebody were asking about our 316 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,360 Hogwarts house, to be honest with you. 317 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,600 Oh my God, but this does this does remind me quick aside slash 318 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,960 cause of apologies. So the last last episode I 319 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,080 believe we had a question about would we rather go dancing at 320 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:50,160 Rita's, go to the White Raven or go to the Yule Ball? 321 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,240 Yes. So Swizzy, who was the 322 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,040 originator of this question, did write it to us and said, oh 323 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,280 crap, I meant the Yule Mass Ball, not the Yule Ball, which 324 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,240 we probably should have. Hot is a slight throne of glass 325 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,400 spoiler that there's something called a Yule Mass Ball. 326 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,400 My answer remains unchanged, though I would still rather go 327 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,120 to readers of those 3, but I just wanted to call that out. 328 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,560 So thank you, Swizzy, for letting that be known that it 329 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:14,200 was not meant to be a Harry Potter reference. 330 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,040 That that's our bad too. We probably should have. 331 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:17,200 Called. That does make more sense. 332 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:18,680 The Eulness ball makes more sense. 333 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,400 I might. Certainly makes more sense. 334 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,880 I would attend the Eulness ball. If I were invited, yeah, sounds 335 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:28,960 fun. I can see Rory's butt. 336 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:34,080 It's very cute right now. All right, do you want to start 337 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,280 with this fun question? I can I can start. 338 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,920 OK, So the questions are the questions are what would I want 339 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:42,920 to be in and what would I actually be in? 340 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,080 I would want to be and to be clear, they are different 341 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,240 because my what I want to be is actually different from who I 342 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,400 know that I am. So I'll just start there. 343 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,440 But I would want to be in Earth and blood, definitely. 344 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,400 I just want to be in earth and blood all to all the people I 345 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:58,400 like I feel like are in earth, earth and blood. 346 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,680 But I know that in my heart of hearts I'm in probably flame and 347 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,560 shadow, maybe sky and breath on my best day. 348 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:06,920 I think that's the case. I always thought it was 349 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:11,200 interesting that the shifters and the fae are in different 350 00:17:11,319 --> 00:17:13,599 houses, right? Given that at the end of the day 351 00:17:13,599 --> 00:17:15,640 they are actually the same thing, it was thought that was 352 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:20,240 interesting. I agree with you. 353 00:17:21,839 --> 00:17:24,079 We would both actually be in flame and shadow. 354 00:17:24,079 --> 00:17:26,960 The difference is my answer is I would also want to be in flame 355 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:28,359 and shadow. That's actually the house I'd 356 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:29,920 want to be in. I don't want to be with the 357 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:31,760 shifters. I think the shifters are fucking 358 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,600 cool. Oh, the Wolf Pack sucks. 359 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:36,320 They suck. But Lydia? 360 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,160 I don't think she's hanging out at the house, Judge, but yeah. 361 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,360 I mean, she could also. She could feasibly end up in 362 00:17:43,360 --> 00:17:45,240 flame and shadow, but we'll see. She could. 363 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:46,800 Yeah, I could. See her in Flame and Shadow. 364 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,440 Yeah, I would want to be in Flame and shadow, just hanging 365 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,320 out at the bar listening to Jazz with Jezza Buzz. 366 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:54,960 Just what I would want to be doing anyway. 367 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:56,960 So it's just going to be Flame and Shadow for me. 368 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,360 Unfortunately, we're not going to be doing that because she's 369 00:17:59,360 --> 00:18:01,960 gone this booktube. Booktube, sure. 370 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,280 All right, that was a fun one. Thank you. 371 00:18:05,360 --> 00:18:08,440 Violet, the emoji. All right, Ronnie, do you have 372 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:12,000 any? I do have a couple of casums. 1 373 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:16,480 is from Jen Lee so I'll paraphrase the comment but 374 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:18,800 started the comment with random thoughts sparked by today's 375 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,200 episode. Mention of if the autumn King is 376 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,880 actually star born and the question was basically is the 377 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,240 Autumn King rooms biological father? 378 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:31,480 What if Lauren was discovered by the autumn King when she was 379 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:36,200 already pregnant? And this kind of goes back to 380 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,720 like several several episodes. I feel like at this point in our 381 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,560 actor season, we have talked about the possibility of was 382 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:46,280 Lauren one was Lauren from Perthian 2 was Lauren Reese's 383 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:50,000 sister potentially 3? Was Lauren somehow on this like 384 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:54,160 starborn trading ring, like marital trading ring where she 385 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:58,160 was being sold out basically as an asset to the Autumn King? 386 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,840 And could she have been already already pregnant somehow from 387 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,000 Perthian, in which case she would have been a very, very 388 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,680 valuable asset to the Autumn King. 389 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,880 I think it's interesting in going back and searching for 390 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,360 anything supporting this, which admittedly we've already we've 391 00:19:13,360 --> 00:19:16,000 talked at length about this. I've kind of looked for a lot of 392 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,560 evidence already found like very minor things like she puts out 393 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,000 citrus. Richard Reese's sent his citrus 394 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,960 and and salt. But I did find one thing that's 395 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,240 interesting and I'm sure we'll talk about it more later. 396 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,200 But this is in my opinion, one of the strongest things that I 397 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,800 have found for maybe Lauren is actually related to Reese and 398 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,720 that is in House of Earth and Blood Chapter 52 Runes. 399 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,840 Shadows swirled at his shoulders like a phantom pair of wings. 400 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:45,160 Oh fuck. Reese's shadows have done exact 401 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:49,160 like Reese's has had phantom wings under the mountain before, 402 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,400 right? Like that is very much like 403 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,080 that's that's how Reese's wings kind of like fade in and out of 404 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,960 existence is is through through phantom shadows. 405 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,920 So I like it. So wait, I have two questions. 406 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,080 Who would the father? Be anybody on Perthian. 407 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,920 Anyone anyone. OK I I saw someone suggest 408 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,480 Azrael was ruins father which I think would be. 409 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:18,160 So what I like because of of Azrael's reaction to Celine 410 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,000 looking like Reese's sister. I like it for that reason. 411 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,200 The reason that I don't like it is because Rune's shadows are 412 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,360 like Reese's and Azrael shadows are like Cormacs. 413 00:20:27,360 --> 00:20:31,200 So if rune shadows looked like Azrael's, I'd be like, done, 414 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,360 done, deal. Like, yeah, that works, we're 415 00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:38,560 done. But right now I I feel more, I'm 416 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:42,040 getting more and more convinced that Lauren is a close relative 417 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,560 of Reese's. Yeah, it's it's one of those 418 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:48,200 theories that feel so far fetched, like so many things 419 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:52,200 would have to happen for that to be the case, right? 420 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,560 Like Tamlin would have to be involved. 421 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,200 We would need a portal open to Midgard. 422 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,240 Like so much would have to happen. 423 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,320 And then you read a line like the wings line, and you're like, 424 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,680 Sarah, what are we doing here? What are we doing here? 425 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:09,440 Because like, we know that that rune is a descendant of Plano, 426 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,800 but like, that has nothing to do with wings. 427 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,120 That doesn't account for wings. So like, nowhere. 428 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,480 What's happening Room? Shadows swirled at his shoulders 429 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,560 like a phantom pair of wings. Everyone, that's the take away. 430 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,120 Yeah, it's exactly the same. So gently. 431 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,080 It's exactly the same. I don't know, but I like it. 432 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:27,320 I don't know. I don't know. 433 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,320 It's feeling. It's feeling hard to avoid. 434 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,640 Like they look exactly the same and room suddenly has phantom 435 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,280 wings. And I think we're going to talk 436 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:36,640 about that much more in our room, yeah. 437 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,600 We'll talk more about it. Second, second cosm. 438 00:21:40,120 --> 00:21:43,200 It is not attributable to any one individual necessarily, but 439 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:47,600 I we got a bunch of comments on the prism stuff from last 440 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:51,040 episodes when Bryce's Starlight goes through a prism and it fans 441 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,600 out and it does not look the way that Starlight would look. 442 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:58,640 A lot of people commented about lasers and is this how lasers 443 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,720 behave? I want to respond to those 444 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,280 comments. Not really a monochromatic 445 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,840 laser. Sorry. 446 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:10,920 Quick science lesson again, it's not really how a laser behaves. 447 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,400 A monochromatic laser would just bend in a prism, right? 448 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,200 So it would just change direction and it would not split 449 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,040 into multiple colors. And a broadband laser like a 450 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,280 white laser, which is what Bryce's looks like, would fan 451 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,800 out into a spectrum like like sunlight would. 452 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:35,040 But Anastasia AKA puzzle bat no puzzle bat Anastasia on Discord 453 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:41,000 made a really fun video off the back of our theory on her TikTok 454 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:45,280 profile, which is at 7th level of hell classic on how it is 455 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,720 possible. There's no, there's nothing in 456 00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:51,520 like our real life in terms of light that behaves the way that 457 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,520 Bryce's light behave through that prison, right? 458 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,760 Like there's no, there's nothing in in our real world that does 459 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,720 that. But she made a video basically 460 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,840 speculating that that could be like that behavior could be 461 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,000 related to exotic matter, which is theoretical. 462 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,440 And it's also required for the creation of wormholes. 463 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,640 And wormholes are a lot like winnowing and or world walking, 464 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,200 which would be really interesting. 465 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,000 So I would recommend checking out Anastasia's video on TikTok. 466 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,440 7th level of hell is her profile and it's very fun. 467 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,760 But that's not what lasers do. So that is my second second 468 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,360 shout out So. Shout out to Anastasia. 469 00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:31,200 Anastasia also sent me this sticker. 470 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,120 I just want to show you I have one for you too. 471 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,160 I have a lot of stickers from Anastasia right here actually. 472 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,240 So thank you, Anastasia. Thank you, Anastasia. 473 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,520 I love that, love it. I have no notes. 474 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:47,840 I got so great, right? So I had because I don't have a 475 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,240 specific person, because a lot of people commented this, This 476 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,360 was about, I can't remember what episode it was, whether it was 477 00:23:54,360 --> 00:23:57,680 like our re recheck in or if it was our star born episode. 478 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,160 But we were talking about the fact that Pelleas, I think it 479 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,000 was our star born episode, the fact that Pelleas can wield 480 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,800 touch the star sword and kills that with the star sword. 481 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,040 That is what we are told. We have been told that by the 482 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,080 Princess of hell. We have also been told that by 483 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:17,560 you Steri and the history books. A lot of people wrote in saying, 484 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,440 oh, maybe Pelleas can wield the Star sword because he got 485 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,880 starborn power from Thea when they were having sex. 486 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,840 The way we've seen with Hunt and Bryce and the way we think we've 487 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,920 seen with Cassie and Ernesta. First of all, guys, I totally 488 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,520 love dot connecting. That's what we're here for. 489 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,000 So great. I love it. 490 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,120 Keep it up. However, similar to Ronnie, 491 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,960 Ronnie with Ronnie, just stick with the lasers. 492 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:44,080 I don't think it works in this case for a couple reasons. 493 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,920 So I have actually gone back and scoured the books and I have not 494 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,680 been able to find, if you can find, please let me know, please 495 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,200 post it. I have not actually been able to 496 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,320 find any reference. Helius and Thea being lovers is 497 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:02,200 implied because in ACOTAR, well, in Silver Flames, basically when 498 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,080 they're explaining the history of Theon. 499 00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:05,800 Also, I know there's a lot of ways to say Theon. 500 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,000 I'm going to keep saying it this way guys, because all of you are 501 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,400 telling me different ways to say it and at this point you know 502 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,280 who I'm talking about, so it's going to be Theon. 503 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,920 Apologies. They say that he was betrayed by 504 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:21,440 his queen and his general. So like think the implication 505 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,680 from that is that like Saya cheated on him, but it's never 506 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,160 said and it's never said in Crescent City that Saya and 507 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,440 Pelleas were lover. So I don't know if that's 508 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,880 actually in the books or if that's one of those things that 509 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,680 has just kind of like gained traction online. 510 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,760 I'm not sure. But even if they were lovers, 511 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,640 they're currently fighting on 2 opposite sides of the war. 512 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,520 I doubt they're having sex during that. 513 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,600 And I've always been under the impression, and this might be a 514 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,560 little more loosey goosey than than hard receipts, that any 515 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:57,120 kind of sex transfer of powers is like a temporary thing. 516 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,280 I never got the impression that that was like a long term like 517 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,480 oh that can last forever. Like Hunt specifically says he 518 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,840 can wear the mask because him and Bryce had had sex the night 519 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,120 before and she had transferred those powers over to him. 520 00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:11,240 Like, it's not like, oh, I've been hooking up with Bryce. 521 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,040 So I'm becoming like, more and more Starborn, Right? 522 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,840 Yeah. So I don't think it works for 523 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,760 this one. They do love the theor Isaac. 524 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,920 And I do think we still have mysteries to uncover here with 525 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,160 the whole Paleocinthea thing. And we definitely will talk 526 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:26,920 about it more. Yeah, totally. 527 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:31,680 I mean, to be fair that my immediate thought was like, was 528 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,280 he having sex with anyone star born yet? 529 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,400 Because we know that he allegedly eventually did with 530 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,160 Helena, right? Like that was supposed to have 531 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:47,040 happened and it is. I mean, again, like I I went and 532 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,560 looked to like it's never said that Thea like slept with 533 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,800 Pelleus at any point, but they did betray Theon together. 534 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:59,480 So yeah, I don't know, maybe, but it feels very unlikely. 535 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,960 It feels unlikely that Helena and Paleus were having sex 536 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,520 because like it was very clear that he was like raping her. 537 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,920 So I don't know. I do feel like unless he was 538 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:09,800 raping her. Which? 539 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,000 I don't know. Thea's. 540 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,160 Thea's, like, warns them. Yeah, Thea, like, warns them, 541 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:15,800 right. It's like, and she's like, you 542 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,720 guys have to go back to Midgard because Paleus wants to force 543 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,360 children on you. Basically it. 544 00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:24,280 Feels more likely that he got he got it from somewhere else. 545 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:29,200 But then again, it like the whole thing is the Asteri are 546 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,160 not supposed to be able to control the star Sword the way 547 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,480 that Thea's line can. That's the whole thing. 548 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,360 So yeah, I don't know. I have the same questions and I 549 00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:40,920 think we will going to do, we're going to do many episodes. 550 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,720 We're going to do a dust court, quote UN quote episode. 551 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,080 We're going to do star sword episodes. 552 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,400 We will keep talking about this. This is not the end. 553 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,680 Yeah, great. Are we deep dive? 554 00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:59,880 Let's deep dive. 222 all right. We did get a specific request 555 00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:04,840 for old time's sake that one of us moxing the deep dive. 556 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,960 You got it, You got it. So glad that you did. 557 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,840 Ronnie. Let's start off Broad here. 558 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:18,400 What do we know about hell? OK, so Hell is a planet with 559 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,880 seven different levels ruled by 7 Princess. 560 00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:27,080 So we've we learn very early it's common knowledge that that 561 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,800 this is a different place with several 7 levels and seven 562 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,920 Princess. It's not common knowledge that's 563 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,200 a planet though, which is interesting. 564 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,240 So in House of Earth and Blood chapter 12, we learn from Hunt 565 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,160 when he's talking about demons. They came in endless breeds and 566 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,280 levels of intelligence, ranging from the beasts that resembled 567 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,840 feline canine hybrids to the humanoid shape shifting Princess 568 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,560 who ruled over Hell's seven territories, each one darker 569 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,040 than the last. The hollow, the trench, the 570 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:58,640 Canyon, the ravine, the chasm, the abyss, and worst of them 571 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,400 all, the pit. So those are the seven levels of 572 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,720 hell. And then there's humanoid shape 573 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,400 shifting Princess who rule over all of them. 574 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,000 Hell is a planet and and we learned that through Atis and 575 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,440 it's not common like Hunt and Bryce learn it, which which 576 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,920 means like Hunt of all people would know that before if it was 577 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,600 common knowledge. So in House of Earth and Blood 578 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:24,400 chapter 51, Adis is saying the Northern Rift opens to other 579 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,360 places. Other realms, yes, but other 580 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,400 planets as well. What is Hell but a distant 581 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,480 planet, bound to yours by a ripple in space and time. 582 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,280 Hell is a planet, Hunt. Hunt's brows lowered. 583 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,800 Most of the demons he'd killed and dealt with hadn't been able 584 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,400 to or inclined to speak. It is shrugged with one 585 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,600 shoulder. It is as real a place as 586 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,600 Midgard, though most of us would have you believe it wasn't so 587 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:51,320 for whatever reason. The Princess and others other 588 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:55,760 demons of hell are not super inclined for folks to know on 589 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,960 Midgard that it's it's real, but it's it is also says. 590 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,640 The Northern Rift opens to other places. 591 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,880 Other realms, yes, but other planets as well. 592 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:06,760 What's a realm? What's a realm? 593 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,440 What are we talking about? What is that? 594 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,360 I don't know. Yeah, all right. 595 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,400 Like difference between realm and planet. 596 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,400 No, no. I mean, the only thing I could 597 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,520 think of is like the the death realm, but I don't know. 598 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:21,760 We'll see. But even that is. 599 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:22,720 Very intriguing. Yeah, right. 600 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,560 I think there's also like the space-time concepts like our 601 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,960 realms, like truly other, like fully other places. 602 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,360 Whereas planets are like we're we're still talking solar 603 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,880 systems here, like Midgard solar system has seven planets and 604 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,920 there are other star systems that we see in like the Orais 605 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,840 where it's just like other planets just are around and we 606 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,560 can just like see other planets or realm something more like 607 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,280 there's rifts in space-time that you can travel to that you might 608 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,960 not be able to just travel to through space as possible. 609 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,920 What's interesting though, is that like beneath, for whatever 610 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,920 reason, is described as a realm. Why, why don't know, I don't 611 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,800 know. All right, so that's a fun 612 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:12,160 aside. Another fun aside is that Atis 613 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,600 also, when asked whether he's rattling the northern rift says 614 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,120 that the lesser Princess do that levels one through 4. 615 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,560 But those of us in the true dark have no need or interest in 616 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,720 sunshine. Our plans don't involve such 617 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,320 things. So he's basically saying, all 618 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,880 right, these like these lesser Princess who are closer to the 619 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,760 surface, closer to sunshine, might rattle the rift, might 620 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,600 care enough to do so. But we don't. 621 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,480 We don't do that. We don't participate in that 622 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,400 activity, which is interesting. Like I don't know why the the 623 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,680 lesser Princess would, but interesting to consider. 624 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:51,880 Hell had been framed as the enemy of Midgard for centuries. 625 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,920 But we know through like a whole big series of quotes that span 626 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,040 the entire book basically that they were actually the enemy of 627 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,960 the hysteria and the ally of the creatures that the Hysteria 628 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,840 oppressed, specifically the fae and specifically the fae from 629 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,440 Prythian. And we'll talk much more about 630 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,840 that. But Adis and Thea were mates, 631 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,360 and they were ultimately Hell was ultimately the ally of the 632 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,600 Midgard Midgardian Fey in all of their endeavors. 633 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:23,400 So they were framed as hey, like Hell was waging war against 634 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,400 Midgard and we banished them from Midgard. 635 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,800 But actually, they were allies too in Midgard, and enemies of 636 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,880 the Osteria. We'll talk much more about that. 637 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,880 Black Salt allows anyone on Midgard to commune with Hell and 638 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,120 other worlds, but we mostly see it related to summoning beings 639 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,520 from Hell. So in a couple instances, Bryce 640 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,360 uses Black Salt to talk to Hell in one way or another. 641 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,680 And House of Earth and Blood. She uses Black Salt to summon 642 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,240 Atis. And that's chapter 51. 643 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,840 The quotes there. She crafted 2 circles with the 644 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,000 Obsidian salt. The one near the window is 645 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,880 perhaps 5 feet in diameter. The other was big enough to hold 646 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,080 herself and hunt. I'm paraphrasing a bit here, but 647 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,000 she says the Obsidian salt will. She's faking Hunt out. 648 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,520 She's saying I'm going to summon a demon. 649 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,360 Hunt does not know that she's about to summon Atis because 650 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,640 he's not like he's not familiar that she is familiar with Atis 651 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,040 and she says the Obsidian salt is going to hold this demon. 652 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,800 So we're going to be in this circle, we're going to be 653 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,360 protected because the salt is going to protect us, and then 654 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,440 that other circle of salt is going to hold the demon. 655 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,960 Hunt eyed the circle she made then side fine, even though 656 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,760 arguing with her was nearly as enticing his foreplay, he didn't 657 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,640 feel like wasting time either. But then the temperature in the 658 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,920 room began to drop rapidly, and as Hunt's breath began to cloud 659 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,840 the air as a humanoid male appeared, throming with dark 660 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,520 power that made his stomach royal. 661 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,760 Bryce grinned up at Hunt as his hard stop dead surprise. 662 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,000 She lost her fucking mind. He would kill her for this if 663 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,760 they weren't weren't both killed in the next few seconds. 664 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,560 Who is that? Ice formed in the room. 665 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,880 So also hell is cold. We'll talk more about that, but 666 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,280 Hell is freezing. When you summon Hell, things get 667 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,320 very cold. No clothing could protect 668 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,640 against the cold this demon brought with him. 669 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,960 It pierced through every layer, snatching the breath from Hunt's 670 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,480 chest with clawed fingers. A shuddering inhale was the only 671 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,199 sign of Bryce's discomfort as she remained facing the circle 672 00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:10,719 on the other side of the room, the male now contained inside 673 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,480 its dark border. Atis. 674 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,679 She said softly. So black salt summons can summon 675 00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:19,320 somebody from hell in a sort of like, not quite all their 676 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:25,000 format, but they also use black salt laced water to basically, 677 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,760 like de Mahdi, travel to hell in House of Flame and Shadow. 678 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,040 That's chapter 57. And Adis actually calls this a 679 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,480 dreaming draft. So there's a name for, yeah, 680 00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:39,239 this salt laced water that Helena has been using to 681 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:40,560 converse with them for some time. 682 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,239 And that discovery, Bryce kind of puts it all together when she 683 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,199 sees that the caves are made of black salt, and she sees like a 684 00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:48,880 drinking bowl on the ground, she says these faves are made 685 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,159 entirely of black salt. Bryce said she'd seen it as soon 686 00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:55,719 as the ghoul had gouged lines in the wall, knew its smell, its 687 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,600 rotting, oily feel. A taste of it had confirmed her 688 00:34:58,600 --> 00:34:59,880 suspicions. Hunt frown. 689 00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,040 You think Helena was trying to summon her sister from their 690 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,440 home world? So again, black salt can be used 691 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,960 to talk to worlds other than other than hell no. 692 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,880 Bryce said, shaking her head. She sent Celine back to be safe. 693 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,920 She was an asshole, but she would never have done anything 694 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,320 to jeopardize that. So what is this place then? 695 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,800 Darien said it was Sathya who got it first. 696 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,800 It's to summon demons to commune with Hell. 697 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,800 Stunned silence rock the room. They were her only remaining 698 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,760 allies. Bryce explained that I'm 699 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,200 skipping a bit, but Sathya walked to the stream. 700 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,240 That water filter straight through the black salt, and this 701 00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:32,160 chamber is thick with it. She met Bryce's stare, brows 702 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:33,720 nodding. Can you summon a demon if you 703 00:35:33,720 --> 00:35:35,400 drink water laced with black salt? 704 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,640 And Hunt says, I've never heard of anything like that, even 705 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,440 during my demon hunting years. And then they're ruminating a 706 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,720 little bit more. And Bryce, Bryce realizes maybe 707 00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:44,440 the salt helped her mind speak with hell. 708 00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:47,680 Maybe someone in hell can tell us how to kill the hysteria. 709 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,680 Polly and himself ate serious. Maybe he's had the answer all 710 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,800 along. And then Hunt has a little fit, 711 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,320 and Bryce almost has a fit as well. 712 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,720 But ultimately they decide to drink the salt lace water 713 00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:00,280 together. And Bryce lifted the bowl to her 714 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,400 lips and drank. Bryce was falling backward and 715 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,640 yet not moving. Her body remained kneeling. 716 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,840 Get her soul fell, placing over into the dark, into nothing and 717 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,800 nowhere, a presence around her beside her, flickering with 718 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:13,880 lightning. Hunt. 719 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,280 He was with her soul falling alongside her. 720 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:21,280 And then they end up in hell so that black salt laced water 721 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:27,880 allows them to soul travel, soul travel de Mati travel to hell 722 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,320 while their body stays in Midgard. 723 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,600 You look like you want to. You know what I just realized? 724 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,040 Yeah, I I just realized something. 725 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,120 I never made this connection before, but you said that 726 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,160 they're they're soul traveling basically to hell, right? 727 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,040 And Hunt is flickering with lightning as he does that, which 728 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:48,080 is so interesting because when Ruin and Lydia talk in whatever 729 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,880 they are, but what seems to be like soul to soul, mind to mind, 730 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,600 right? Like they also appear as their 731 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,560 power. So is there something about this 732 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,040 that makes you did Hunt see Bryce in that moment as 733 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,720 Starlight right? Like is or is it something about 734 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:03,720 Hunt, about Bryce and Rune specifically that lets them see 735 00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:08,520 people as like powers or? Rune also appears as as night 736 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,240 though, right? Like as stars and night. 737 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:15,000 So unless Lydia has something going on, which I know we kind 738 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,200 of both think she does. I mean, I mean, she knows a lot 739 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,160 of things. But yeah, I mean, either what? 740 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,640 Either way, I think it's an interesting parallel between 741 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,320 these two. The mind talking to the Princess 742 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,320 and what Rune and Lydia are doing right, I think. 743 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:35,800 I mean, these two chapters, this chapter of of Hunt and Bryce 744 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,640 going to hell is right next to and, and when they call it a 745 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,200 dream world, which we're about to talk about, is literally 746 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:45,600 right next to a chapter in which Lydia says, I want to feel you 747 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,480 here. Not in some dream world. 748 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,520 Like literally the words dream world are said referring to 749 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,680 where Rune and Lydia meet and hell in two chapters next to 750 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,840 each other, which Sarah doesn't do that by accident. 751 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,720 She doesn't do that by accident. Very interesting. 752 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,840 It's very interesting. And so this just around out the 753 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:10,400 black salt dreaming draft piece, they find that when they drink 754 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:15,480 the black salt, the way that they travel is basically 755 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,880 traveling truly as just their soul, right? 756 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:22,440 So they can't be harmed, right. So they're when when they get 757 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,360 there again. This is still House of Flame and 758 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:25,600 Shadow. Chapter 59. 759 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,040 Hunt lunged, intending to shove the Prince of the Chasm away 760 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,720 from his mate. He went right through the demon 761 00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:35,280 Prince. Hunt stumbled and lifted his 762 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:36,840 hands. His fingers shimmered faintly 763 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,880 with a pale bluish light. Bryce had the same aura around 764 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,080 her. They were ghosts here. 765 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:45,160 And then Apollyon later in that paragraph says you will find 766 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,440 that you cannot harm us nor we you in such a state and ate us. 767 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,320 Later in that paragraph says Helena learned that black salt 768 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,320 would allow her to commune with us while protecting her mind and 769 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,200 her soul. So she's smart cookie. 770 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,480 I was she so worried about protection? 771 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,720 Is a question, yeah. What were their what were their 772 00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:07,280 intentions? We are told directly but that 773 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,520 they as trust in hell was her downfall though. 774 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,240 Yeah. So we're talking about that. 775 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,360 It's all that. And then, I mean, we talked 776 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,640 about this already, but Adis calls it a dreaming draft. 777 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,840 He says the dreaming draft will only last so long. 778 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,440 So come into the temple, which is just interesting that they 779 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,720 have they have a name for it and the name for it is a dreaming 780 00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:28,080 draft because they they go to sleep and then they're dreaming, 781 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:32,480 they go to a dream world. So Bryce describes hell as a 782 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,840 dream world, right? She says she didn't need to look 783 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,840 to know Hunt stood beside her in whatever this place was, this 784 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,160 dream world. And that's interesting, right? 785 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,960 Because Apollyon visits in dreams, that's what he does. 786 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,000 And Rude and Lydia have been meeting in a dream world for 787 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,920 quite some time. So just commentary. 788 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,480 More on that later, but go ahead. 789 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,880 I think there's a question and I don't know if you're about to 790 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,680 get into this, but I think there's a question on whether or 791 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,720 not we've even actually seen hell or if everything we've seen 792 00:40:01,720 --> 00:40:04,600 is is just Polly and conjuring it right? 793 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,640 Because he conjures parthos, he conjures wherever the fuck him 794 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,400 and him and Hunt met in that dream. 795 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,320 Like is this just an illusion or is it? 796 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:15,840 Have we actually seen parts of hell? 797 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,880 I don't know, but I think. It's a question, I think it's a 798 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:25,040 very fair question because so much of what we see of hell is 799 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,400 reminiscent of real things that we've already seen #1 it's 800 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,480 totally empty #2 we're told, or I'll just summarize it here and 801 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,120 then we'll get into it. We're told that it's where the 802 00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,480 dead go to rest. But then we also find that 803 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,160 that's not really true, right? Because at the end of House in 804 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,480 Flame and Shadow Shadow, we learn that there is an actual 805 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,440 land resting, and Adis does not know about it. 806 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,160 He's like, do you think I'd be allowed in? 807 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,240 So what is hell, Right? Like what actually is hell? 808 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,480 I think it's, I think it's a very fair question. 809 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:04,480 Well believe I didn't prep this, but I believe when Ethan is 810 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:09,480 asking for Connor soul and the Mystic goes down to hell and 811 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,520 they're talking to Thanatos, Thanatos said no wolf has like 812 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,880 roamed these lands for centuries or millennia right? 813 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,760 I why would a wolf soul go to hell? 814 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,280 I mean it kind of makes sense that it's it hasn't because of 815 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,520 what the asteria are doing with the dead and fucking with the 816 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:26,920 dead. But like, does that mean that 817 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:31,440 this wolf souls used to go to hell before they went to 818 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:35,040 whatever that eternal realm is? Like, you know what I'm saying? 819 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,000 Like what? What is the order of events? 820 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,320 What is the path here for a dead? 821 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:39,320 Yeah. Where does it go? 822 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,520 So my, my thought there we are told it's a city of the dead and 823 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,640 that it's where our dead go to rest. 824 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,280 That does not seem to be consistent with what we learned 825 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:48,480 and which is exactly what you just said. 826 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,120 So when Bryce and Hunter and Hell again still chapter 58 and 827 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:52,720 59, this is when this is all happening. 828 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,800 It's like a city of the dead, Hunt murmur, draping a wing 829 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,800 around Bryce. Ada's turned from where he stood 830 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,960 at the prowl. This isn't a ship that looks, a 831 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,040 boat that looks exactly like the one that goes to the Bone 832 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,680 Quarter, except for it's a stag skull with like, greenish light. 833 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,360 He just turned from where he stood at the prow, holding in 834 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,880 his hands a long pole that he'd used to guide them. 835 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,640 That's because it is. He gestured with a pale hand to 836 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,440 the buildings and temples and avenues. 837 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,240 This is where beloved dead come to rest with all the comforts of 838 00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:24,080 life around them. But again, we then later see a 839 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,320 place of resting in the House of Lamb and shadow. 840 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,480 Chapter 99 This place was the opposite of where she'd gone 841 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,280 during the drop, rather than an endless chasm chasm, which is 842 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,480 one of the levels how seems intentional. 843 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:40,480 It was just light, soft golden light, gentle and easy on the 844 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,400 gaze. It was warm and restful and she 845 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,760 had nowhere else she really wanted to be except. 846 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,360 And then she thinks about thinks about Hunt. 847 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,560 Then she sees Danica, the pack in Lahaba, and she kind of blows 848 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,400 a kiss to Lahaba. And then through her tears, she 849 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,880 turned back to Jessica. How the second light. 850 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:57,640 And Jessica says it took their power. 851 00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,560 But what is eternal? What is made of love that can 852 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,200 never be destroyed? So this what Bryce sees, she 853 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,680 sees Danica, she sees the pack, she sees Lahaba. 854 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,760 This is the actual place of resting, which again, we just 855 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,800 talked about. Ada seems unfamiliar with the 856 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,400 place of resting because Bryce tells him about it and he 857 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:13,920 wonders if he will ever be allowed in. 858 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,600 So this is a House of flame and shadow. 859 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,760 Chapter 101. His smile turned gentler. 860 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,720 Thea would be proud of you and of you. 861 00:43:19,720 --> 00:43:22,160 Bryce said, the only gift she could offer to a Prince of hell. 862 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,040 She refrained from saying that they as pride meant shit to her. 863 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,280 Though. I think you might get to hear it 864 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,480 from her lips one day. Adis angled his head. 865 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,400 Bryce had told all of them about what Jessica had claimed, what 866 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,240 she'd seen in that land of glowing light. 867 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,120 You think a Prince of hell, she'll be allowed in? 868 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:37,800 Bryce walked up to him and kissed his cheek. 869 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,760 Icy skin met her lips. I think a good male, regardless 870 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,080 of where he is from, will always be allowed in. 871 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,760 Ada's eyes glowed bright blue with gratitude or longing or 872 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,840 love, she didn't know, but the Prince only nodded her then to 873 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,320 hunt and walk through the northern rift into the dark. 874 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,960 So he, like he's asking, would I be allowed in? 875 00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,120 He's clearly allowed into hell, so it's not like it's not hell. 876 00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,440 So like my question, my thoughts your exact point on like what is 877 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:06,520 the path of a soul that's dead If the souls of the wolves at 878 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:10,400 one point did go to hell because Santos says like a soul has not 879 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:15,360 been here in some time is hell. Like if they're living in the 880 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:20,400 comforts of life, is hell like a purgatory, like a temporary 881 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,560 place of resting for those who have like power? 882 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,600 Because Jessica's whole point was like it took their power, 883 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:30,480 like the whole second light situation was a destruction of 884 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,720 their power. But what is made of love, like 885 00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:36,800 their actual, you know, they're like intrinsic being can't be 886 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,680 destroyed. So is that what this place of 887 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,840 breath and holds? I don't really know. 888 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,880 Well, it could be too right in classic. 889 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,920 Well, OK, so I was doing a little research on Norse 890 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,880 mythology for this and I believe in Norse mythology. 891 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,760 Sorry if I get this wrong. There's two places of resting. 892 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,120 There is hell and there's also Valhalla. 893 00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,640 And I mean, this fits with heaven and hell in like classic 894 00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,560 Christianity too, right? Like there's actually two 895 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,360 places, but like Valhalla, I think is for the honored dead 896 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,320 and hell is for people who die. Like the hell is for warriors 897 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,280 basically, right? Hell is for people who, like, 898 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,280 die of natural causes. But what's interesting is that I 899 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,320 believe Adis uses the exact phrase are honored dead at one 900 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,600 point, right? So it kind of implies that 901 00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,640 that's not what this hell is. It's it doesn't quite line up 902 00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,680 with that mythology. It calls them our beloved, but 903 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,360 yeah, our beloved dead. OK, so maybe maybe I'm wrong, 904 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,640 but yeah, it could be there's like a heaven and there's a hell 905 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,800 or there's a Valhalla and there's a hell that there's like 906 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,840 2 depending on who you are. But the idea that Thea would not 907 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,280 end up. It's hard to believe that is 908 00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:43,960 what it. Is yeah, it's totally hard. 909 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,000 Yeah, right. I'm with you. 910 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,720 I don't know. Yeah, I totally agree. 911 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,600 And then to to your other point on have we actually seen hell? 912 00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,280 I think that's also a fair question. 913 00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,680 So there are there are two things about hell that we are 914 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,400 actually three things to explicit 1 and explicit in my 915 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,240 opinion, about hell that feel like they're actually just 916 00:46:05,240 --> 00:46:07,800 conjurings of things that we have seen before, right? 917 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,800 So when Bryce and Hunt arrive in hell, they arrive in a city, 918 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,600 looks like a city that has a river and also has pillars and 919 00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,600 buildings carved into Black Rock. 920 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,680 Sounds like we're we are told that it has a direct comp to the 921 00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,440 Bone Quarter. Like the boat that that crosses 922 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:26,920 crosses the river to the Bone Quarter. 923 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,440 Yeah. But it also kind of sounds like 924 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,600 the human city, right? Like carved into Black Rock. 925 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,880 The city appears to be empty. And the Prince is kind of 926 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,280 implied that this is actually because they're just letting 927 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,760 them see, letting them see parts of hell. 928 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,160 And so this is in House of Lamish. 929 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,360 I have such bad allergies. Sorry but I keep itching my 930 00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,080 nose. I'm currently on a double extra 931 00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:50,280 strength dose of generic antihistamines because my skin 932 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,600 exploded in hives on Saturday. And I went to the doctor and 933 00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,600 they're like, we have to reset your entire histamine system. 934 00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,040 So you're going to go out like this crazy high dose of 935 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,880 antihistamines. I'm like, Oh my God, so. 936 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,520 Clearance, and I don't know what to do right now. 937 00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:07,120 So that's appointment Shadow Chapter 58. 938 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,240 The black boat that Ada's LED Bryce and Hunt into was a cross 939 00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:13,040 between the one that had brought them into a volun and the ones 940 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:14,800 that carry the bodies to the Bone Quarter. 941 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,000 So again, just like things that we've seen that exist in lieu of 942 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,080 stag's head, it was a stag skull at the prow, greenish flame 943 00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,240 dancing in its eyes as it sailed through The Cave. 944 00:47:23,240 --> 00:47:26,720 Eerie green light illuminated Black Rock carved into pillars 945 00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:30,200 and buildings, walkways and temples, ancient and empty. 946 00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:35,400 Bryce had never seen a place so void of life, so still in the 947 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,440 Bone Quarter had a sense of being lived in, albeit by the 948 00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:43,760 dead, but here nothing stirred. So a few things here we're we've 949 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,440 got the boat obviously, which is of all and in the Bone Quarter 950 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:51,520 have Black Rock carved into pillars and buildings, walkways 951 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,640 and temples. That is very hewn city like 952 00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,640 we've got the green light. That's hell and hell alone in my 953 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,920 opinion. And then we also have the temple 954 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,520 of chaos, which looks exactly like herds temple. 955 00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:05,920 So this is in House of land and shadow. 956 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,080 Chapter 59. The temple of chaos is a sacred 957 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,000 place. A Pauline said sharply. 958 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,600 We shall never defile it with violence. 959 00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,880 And then hunt in his perspective refers to it as a near mirror to 960 00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,320 temples back home. Indeed, it's layout was 961 00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:24,760 identical to the last temple. Haunted stood in towards temples 962 00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,440 in lieu of the Blackstone altar. At the center of the temple, a 963 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,680 bottomless pit was the main focal .5 chairs of carved 964 00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,640 Blackwood encircled it. But also not. 965 00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,720 This just occurred to me, but it's like counsel of the High 966 00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:38,480 Lords too, right? Like they're all sitting around 967 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,040 Fountain basically, but like. But it's a black pit. 968 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:42,760 Interesting. Yeah. 969 00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,480 Yeah, same, same thing. Yeah. 970 00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:50,040 So I think it's like it's fair to call into question like is 971 00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:54,880 something going on from a like Damati perspective that is 972 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,000 actually just calling on things that Bryce and Hunt know and 973 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:02,320 recognize that is like making them see a hell that they know a 974 00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:03,760 hell that makes them comfortable. 975 00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,280 I don't know. I think it's a fair question 976 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,920 because everything that we're seeing is like called to 977 00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,920 recognition in some other some other way. 978 00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,560 Yeah, But also, maybe this is just writing. 979 00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,040 Maybe we're just being told it looks like something else 980 00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,000 because that's how that's how Sarah is describing it to us. 981 00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,160 Think either one is fair, but I do think it's fishy. 982 00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,600 I mean, I think it's undeniable that this is meant to make us 983 00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,680 think of the Hewn City, right? And then it's just a question of 984 00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:33,880 chicken and egg, right? Have the Princess of Hell seen 985 00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,040 the Hewn City? Or was the Hewn City inspired by 986 00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:37,160 Hell? Right, Yeah. 987 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:41,040 I mean, we will talk about Lord Thanatus guys, not this episode, 988 00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:42,760 but we will talk. But not this episode. 989 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,680 We will talk about Lord. Bandages. 990 00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,360 Not this episode, but we will fear not. 991 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,920 Yeah, yes. And then really go ahead. 992 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,080 Just one more little thing for this, and I wasn't even thinking 993 00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:58,040 about it in terms of maybe this not being real, but I only 994 00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,000 clocked this on my like 5th reread of this passage and I 995 00:50:01,240 --> 00:50:02,600 kind of freaked out when I read it. 996 00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,240 So the quote is Bryce pulled truth teller for this is when 997 00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:07,520 they're all sitting in the circle, right? 998 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,320 Bryce pulled truth teller from the sheath at her side here. 999 00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,320 At least the blades didn't pull at each other. 1000 00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,120 She has the Star Sword and she has Truth Teller with her, but 1001 00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,240 they're not pulling at each other in Hell. 1002 00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:20,960 Why? I don't know why. 1003 00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:22,600 I think that's very interesting though. 1004 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:24,840 Like is it because none of this is real? 1005 00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:28,000 Or is there something about hell that calms them, that quiets 1006 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,560 them? I did very much assume that it's 1007 00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,560 because they weren't physically there, but it is interesting to 1008 00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:37,880 think about whether it's because, yeah, because hell is 1009 00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,520 where they can just chill out. I don't know. 1010 00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:42,760 Yeah. I mean, it could be because 1011 00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,520 they're not physically there, but Bryce can pull Truth Teller 1012 00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,240 out, you know what I mean? Like it's like she can still 1013 00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:50,960 touch. It yeah, it is interesting. 1014 00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:54,920 Anyway, that's all we have to say about that for now. 1015 00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:00,680 OK, the only other things that I really wanted to call out that 1016 00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:08,400 we know about Hell is that Hell did have warring factions and 1017 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,800 they overthrew the Asteri by uniting against them. 1018 00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:16,840 So we learned this when Bryce says and and she's so explicit 1019 00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,480 for us. And I know Hell once had warring 1020 00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:23,080 factions, but you sorted out your shit and marched as one to 1021 00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,160 kick the Asteria out of hell. A year later you haunted them 1022 00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,160 down across the stars and found them on Midgard. 1023 00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,320 You fought them again and it didn't go well. 1024 00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,840 That time you jettison, you got jettison from Midgard and have 1025 00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,840 been trying to creep back through the northern rift ever 1026 00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,520 since. So it's interesting to think 1027 00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,440 about, right? We see Apollyon, Atus, and 1028 00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:46,440 Thanatos more or less put up a united front at least Pauline 1029 00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,160 and ate a Spanatos seems like kind of a fucking wild card. 1030 00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,840 But like they generally seem pretty united. 1031 00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:56,080 At one point they definitely were not and they did come 1032 00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:01,440 together and overthrow the Esteri and then make a point to 1033 00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,600 hunt them down after they overthrew them to mid card and 1034 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,520 lost. Truly never occurred to me that 1035 00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,440 the factions might be between the Princess. 1036 00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:16,560 It's obvious. Like, that makes way more sense. 1037 00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:20,000 Actually, given all the, like, kind of clues we get, that makes 1038 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,160 way more sense. It doesn't necessarily. 1039 00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,960 I always assumed there was just like something else on Hell that 1040 00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,800 they were fighting against. But yeah, but this I. 1041 00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,760 Mean it certainly could have been something else, someone 1042 00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:37,440 else, but like the fact that they united to kick the Astiri 1043 00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:43,040 out makes it seem like they came together against the Asteri. 1044 00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:47,400 So it was either some other entity entirely that was not the 1045 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,520 Asteri that they were fight that they were like warring against, 1046 00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,840 or it was each other. And it kind of feels like 1047 00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,760 warring factions would imply that it was each other, which 1048 00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,240 like Thanatos seems like a real. So it wouldn't surprise me if 1049 00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:03,720 that were the case, especially given there is a hierarchy, 1050 00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:05,680 right? So like Napoleon is the most 1051 00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:09,680 powerful, everybody below him, like all the other Princess are 1052 00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,960 meant to like kind of defer to him. 1053 00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,920 And I can see the 1st 4 Princess, like you can see that 1054 00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,600 power struggle come up, especially Thanatos being who he 1055 00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:22,560 is and Prince of the ravine. So I totally agree. 1056 00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:26,480 What else did you have? I had like a bunch of other just 1057 00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:30,960 nothing quotes but I can scan them while you you go on. 1058 00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,200 I'll have that much more. I think just a couple things. 1059 00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:37,160 We talked about the Northern Rift. 1060 00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:41,960 So the demons, demons of hell, are scared of Bryce's Starlight. 1061 00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:47,920 We are told in Crescent City. One which is quote as Hunt had 1062 00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,800 no words in his head, his heart. As Bryce shoved the burning 1063 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,080 Starlight into the gate, white light blasted from the gates 1064 00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,280 clear stone. It filled the square, shooting 1065 00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,920 outward for blocks. Demons caught in its path 1066 00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,760 screamed as they were blinded, then fled like they remembered 1067 00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:06,160 who it had once belonged to. The Starborn Prince had battled 1068 00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,760 their hordes with it. That's what we get in CC-1. 1069 00:54:09,720 --> 00:54:11,720 Oh, yeah. A lot of you guys have said can 1070 00:54:11,720 --> 00:54:14,320 you start referring to the books by their numbers instead of 1071 00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,240 their names? Because people just completely 1072 00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:18,400 lose track of their names. I'm going to honor that request 1073 00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,320 because I also completely lose track of the names. 1074 00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,520 So that was Chris and City one. OK. 1075 00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,320 Yeah, you can keep doing it your way. 1076 00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,040 It's OK. But that's Chris. 1077 00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,800 City 1 obviously this actually makes no sense. 1078 00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,120 It's on what we learned later right? 1079 00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,160 Because the starboard fae were allied with hell. 1080 00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,960 So why would the demons run from the starboard light unless it is 1081 00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:43,200 Asteri light is basically like it Just another point in the 1082 00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,600 Asteri direction is what I'm going to say here. 1083 00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:52,400 The other things we learn the asteri have trouble feeding off 1084 00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,920 Hell's magic. So the quote we that have for 1085 00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:58,960 that is this was in, this is when they're in Hell, and we're 1086 00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,080 going to put Hell in quotation marks now because we're not 1087 00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:02,720 sure, but the quote is. But how? 1088 00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:05,680 Hunt asked, fighting past that numbing, blissful chill in his 1089 00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:07,880 chest. Did you kick the Asteri out of 1090 00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,160 Hell the first time they had trouble feeding off our magic? 1091 00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,440 Santos said, a voice that was discussed. 1092 00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,800 And they found our powers rivaled their own. 1093 00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,480 They fled before we could kill them. 1094 00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,600 So for whatever reason, the Asteri can't really feed off 1095 00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:22,880 Hell's magic, which I thought was interesting. 1096 00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:25,720 So interesting, which we have not talked about. 1097 00:55:25,720 --> 00:55:28,280 Maybe we'll talk about in the hunt deep dive in that scene 1098 00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:32,520 when talking to the Princess has this like blissful colt coming 1099 00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,840 over him that Bryce does not seem to have. 1100 00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:38,600 I don't know if that's like related to him being of hell or 1101 00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,480 something else is going on here. But like he keeps talking about 1102 00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:45,080 this like chilling numbness may be meant to reflect his 1103 00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:46,520 emotional state. I don't know. 1104 00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,480 But I thought that was very interesting. 1105 00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,600 And that's pretty much all I have. 1106 00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:53,680 The only other, Well, we talked about the temple. 1107 00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,560 Did you you mentioned that it was a Temple of Chaos. 1108 00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,360 OK. I think it's interesting that 1109 00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,400 this is specifically the Temple of Chaos because I believe 1110 00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:07,080 Apollyon tells us that he and therefore I'm assuming all these 1111 00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:11,120 Princess were birthed from Chaos and the Void, right? 1112 00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,280 So I think it's interesting that they both have a temple to her. 1113 00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,800 They worship her and she is their mother. 1114 00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:20,480 And this looks like Urd's temple, right? 1115 00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,120 Like, are we getting set up for Urd and Chaos potentially being 1116 00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:25,040 the same? I don't know. 1117 00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,840 I did do a little research on to Chaos and we'll talk about that 1118 00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:29,920 later. But I I think the parallels that 1119 00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,560 are being drawn here are interesting. 1120 00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,320 That's all I have. For this, I mean, I think like 1121 00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,880 we'll talk about obviously Apollyon a little bit later, but 1122 00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,760 like Apollyon also claims to have the power of the void and 1123 00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:45,720 the boss, the void end of chaos. Their powers run in my yeah, 1124 00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:47,880 right. The fuck is the power of chaos? 1125 00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,640 Right? Like you have a temple for her. 1126 00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,360 I have ideas. It's interesting. 1127 00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:54,320 I'm trying to look at what I'll say. 1128 00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:58,440 I just have like evidence that Hell was framed basically. 1129 00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:03,000 So as long as you guys trust me that Hell was framed as enemy of 1130 00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,840 Midgard and then was later proven to be allies to to the 1131 00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:12,240 Fae, stalwart allies. If we're being specific, then 1132 00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:14,800 we're good. Cool. 1133 00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,840 Yeah. I mean, we spent two whole books 1134 00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:20,640 getting this story, I think. I think we're guys. 1135 00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,680 I think very. Hard to actually pull 1136 00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,800 evidentiary quotes that are concise or things like that 1137 00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,920 because we learn them over the span of literally 1800 pages, 1138 00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:31,160 but. Yeah. 1139 00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:33,840 They they, they were said to be enemies. 1140 00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,400 They're actually allies. And then Hunt is has a little 1141 00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,880 moment where he's like, oh, I'm proud to be a son of hell, which 1142 00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:40,000 I actually thought was very sweet. 1143 00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:41,160 I know. Very sweet. 1144 00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,800 I thought that was very OK. All right, Abby, what creatures 1145 00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:50,240 do we know are from hell? All right, so I basically 1146 00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,920 focused on you have questions later guys about the Crystallis 1147 00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,120 and Shepherd reapers. Wait, do we? 1148 00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,240 No, no, we have Crystallis and the Shepherd. 1149 00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:03,280 So I'm mainly focusing on lower class demons just to set the 1150 00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:07,480 stage there. All right so we get a a view of 1151 00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:11,240 kind of the general demons of hell in Crescent City one when 1152 00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,680 they are invading Lunatheon. So the quote we get is months 1153 00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,440 tense shoulders. She knew the horde was as 1154 00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,240 unnerving for him as it was for her. 1155 00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:23,240 Leathery winged horned humanoids that seem to be grunt soldiers. 1156 00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,920 Bone white reptilian beasts that crawled on all fours. 1157 00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,880 Hounds of war skeletal beings with two large jaws stacked with 1158 00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,480 needle like teeth that gleamed with greenish slime. 1159 00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,680 There were more, so many more things that slithered, things 1160 00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,800 that flew, things that surveyed midguard with Milky sightless 1161 00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,400 eyes and bade at the dissipated bloodless. 1162 00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,840 I'm sorry, I actually think that quote is from Crescent City 3, 1163 00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:45,640 but it's whatever. It's still describing the 1164 00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:49,960 general hordes of hell. Obviously she threw in leathery 1165 00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:54,040 winged there, right? Like she has to know what she's 1166 00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:57,480 doing. She also threw in sightless and 1167 00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,520 slithered and so many of these are blind. 1168 00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:01,160 Like I'm going to throw in the worm. 1169 00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,280 I think the worm is definitely fucking from hell. 1170 00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:07,960 I agree. I agree that it seems like the 1171 00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:11,640 worm is probably from hell. Yeah, so. 1172 00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:13,280 So that's kind of our general demons. 1173 00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,520 I'll just go over quickly. The vampires and the daemonaki. 1174 00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,280 I don't think there's that much interesting stuff to talk about 1175 00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,680 there, but we know. So the quote we have for the 1176 00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:24,960 vampires, Vampires, I don't know how it's said. 1177 00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,000 Apologies. The Vamps had worked hard to get 1178 00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,760 people to forget the tiny fact that they'd all come from hell. 1179 00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,400 Lesser demons themselves. That their ancestors had 1180 00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,360 defected in the Seven Prince from their 7 Princess during the 1181 00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:39,400 first wars and fed the Esteri Imperial legions vital Intel 1182 00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:43,040 that aided in their victory. Traitors and turncoats who still 1183 00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:45,560 had held a demon's craving for blood. 1184 00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:49,920 So we are later told by the Princess that the vampires and 1185 00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:53,280 the Reaper were actually the generals of their armies and 1186 00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,520 that they defected and went to the Esteri. 1187 00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,440 I don't know they were ever really told why though. 1188 00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,080 Told why the reapers followed. The reapers followed because the 1189 01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,520 vampires were their food, right? But I think there's a question 1190 01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,640 as to like, why would the vampires choose to ally with the 1191 01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,240 Esteri over being the generals in the prince's armies? 1192 01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,560 I think that's an open question. And then Damon Aki were 1193 01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:16,720 basically told our vainier demon hybrids, for lack of a better 1194 01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,320 word. So the quote we have for that 1195 01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:20,120 is. Hell was severed from them by 1196 01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,720 time and space, but still accessible through twin sealed 1197 01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,960 portals at the North and South poles, the Northern Rift and 1198 01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:29,240 Southern Rift respectively, or by idiots who tried to summon 1199 01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,320 demons through salts of varying powers. 1200 01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,040 It was why the creeps existed in their world at all. 1201 01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,920 Most have been haunted after those long ago wars between 1202 01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,560 realms, But every so often, demons got loosed. 1203 01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:42,640 Demons got loose, reproduced, usually by force. 1204 01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,600 The results of these horrible unions. 1205 01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,680 The day Manaki was walking, the streets were diluted, weaker 1206 01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,240 incarnations and hybrids of the purebred demons. 1207 01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:51,680 And how So? That's pretty icky. 1208 01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:55,160 There's an entire race of people there, Mount Fanier again out 1209 01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:59,120 there who are just demon babies by force, which we don't love, 1210 01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:03,400 and kind of dive deep into the Reapers. 1211 01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:05,800 Now, did you have anything else before I did that? 1212 01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:10,560 OK. All right, So the Reapers, I 1213 01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:12,120 think the Reapers are really interesting. 1214 01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:16,040 So we find out in Crescent City 2 that they're originally from 1215 01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,440 hell, right? So the quote we have is need to 1216 01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:21,320 tell me that there are reapers who can simply defect and serve 1217 01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:22,600 hell. From whence? 1218 01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,520 Good use of whence? From whence do you think the 1219 01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:27,880 reapers first came? Who first ruled them? 1220 01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,840 Ruled the vampires? The reapers chose Midgard but I 1221 01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:32,920 am not surprised some have changed their minds. 1222 01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,840 So that is I believe the under King speaking to Bryce about the 1223 01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,440 reapers. And then we get confirmation and 1224 01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:41,000 Crescent City three from the Princess that the reapers and 1225 01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:42,480 vampires used to be their general. 1226 01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:46,200 So this is the quote I was alluding to before Sanatose 1227 01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:48,720 picked up the narrative, resting his helmet on a knee. 1228 01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,680 The vampires and Reapers had defected to the Asteria. 1229 01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,440 They betrayed us, the cowards. From the shadows behind him, his 1230 01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,640 hounds snarled as if in agreement. 1231 01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,160 They've been our captains and lieutenants for the most part. 1232 01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,000 Our armies were in shambles without them. 1233 01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:03,920 We needed time to rebuild. So the person vampires were the 1234 01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:05,640 generals. They defected to the Asteria. 1235 01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:08,960 Now they live in Midgard. We find out in how the Reapers 1236 01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,600 fed on and ruled the vampires. And when the vampires defected 1237 01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:14,480 to this world, the Reapers followed their food source and 1238 01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,120 found other beings on Mid to be a veritable feast. 1239 01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,680 So they have left the vampires to themselves, feeding as they 1240 01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:22,440 pleased on the rest of the populace. 1241 01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,560 I think what's so interesting about the reapers? 1242 01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,080 What they eat and how they eat it, right? 1243 01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:31,560 So we're told that they eat souls, but that is also kind of 1244 01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:33,400 conflated with First Light, right? 1245 01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:37,440 So in Crescent City Two we have. Ethan might have continued to 1246 01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:40,320 lie there hoping some Reaper would come suck the soul from 1247 01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,320 his body had Bryce not rushed over. 1248 01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:44,960 This is when Ethan breaks the coffee table and is quite 1249 01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:47,280 embarrassed about his actions, as he should be. 1250 01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:52,280 And then in Crescent City 3, we see Sigrid eat the souls of both 1251 01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:55,760 the Prime and the Astronomer, which is pretty graphic too. 1252 01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:59,920 So with the Prime we get for Sigrid, we get this is Cigarette 1253 01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:02,560 literally leaning over her grandfather's body as light 1254 01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:05,520 flared up through the Prime's mouth, illuminating his hollowed 1255 01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:07,960 cheeks. And then Sigrid was breathing it 1256 01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:11,880 in, drinking it in his soul, his first light, right? 1257 01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:13,720 So she's literally eating his soul. 1258 01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:17,040 And then with Anatos we get it has been a long time since 1259 01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:19,680 Immortal fly buzzed all the way down to hell. 1260 01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:23,120 I will taste this one soul as I want to sit from them like fine 1261 01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:24,840 wine. So we have this idea of soul 1262 01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:26,800 eating. Then with the Prime we have his 1263 01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:29,320 soul, his first light. And I'm just throwing this out 1264 01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:31,920 there because this feels very Esteri, right? 1265 01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,280 And I do think I want to shout out Morgan on this. 1266 01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:35,640 I think she called this out right? 1267 01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:39,640 But like we have this idea of kind of creatures from hell 1268 01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:42,720 consuming first light and we have obviously the Esteri 1269 01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,440 consuming first light. So are they actually kind of 1270 01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:47,280 competing for resources potentially? 1271 01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:52,000 Like there's some kind of cosmic battle over resources here going 1272 01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,600 on that we haven't really been clued into right? 1273 01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,080 So what? They are the reapers. 1274 01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:00,440 So we have half lives. People called them humans and 1275 01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,480 Vainer who had once been alive, who had faced death and offered 1276 01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:06,680 their souls to the under king as his private guards and servants 1277 01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:09,600 instead. The cost to live forever UN 1278 01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:13,720 aging and unkillable but never again able to sleep, eat, fuck. 1279 01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:17,240 Vainer did not mess with them. And we do later see this with 1280 01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:19,440 Sigrid right? She chooses instead of to be 1281 01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:23,320 raised as based again by Hyperxia, she chooses to become 1282 01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:25,400 a Reaper and serve the under king. 1283 01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,080 This just kind of raised a lot of questions to me as to how the 1284 01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:29,640 under King is able to do this right? 1285 01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:33,000 Like how is he able to negotiate that souls can just be given to 1286 01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:34,840 him? He's a bear away, right? 1287 01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:36,880 Like he's a bear away. How is he able to do this? 1288 01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:39,600 I don't understand. They really don't like the star 1289 01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,960 sword, which this is when kind of Bryson Rune learned the power 1290 01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,000 of the star sword. So the quotes we have for that 1291 01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:47,920 are this is when they've abducted Rune in Crescent City 1292 01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,240 2. The reapers floated over the 1293 01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:53,400 sewers, river black robes drifting, Rune unconscious 1294 01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,440 dangle between two of them, the star swords still trapped on 1295 01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:58,320 him. Either they were too stupid to 1296 01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:00,360 disarm him or they didn't want to touch it. 1297 01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:03,040 One of the reapers drifted closer to Rune as they caught 1298 01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:04,520 him. The hilt of the star sword 1299 01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:07,520 brushed against its robes, hissed, recoiling. 1300 01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:10,680 I think so what's interesting is like these reapers won't even 1301 01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:13,080 like they don't even want to touch the hilt of the star 1302 01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,600 sword, right? Like the Autumn King will touch 1303 01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:17,400 it, but he doesn't want to touch it for too long. 1304 01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:18,640 Like, I think it's just interesting. 1305 01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,080 And again, we'll get into it, like, who can touch the Star 1306 01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:24,000 sword and for how long? And like what that implies about 1307 01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:25,680 them. And then we get, obviously, 1308 01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,760 Bryce kills a Reaper with a star sword. 1309 01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,640 So we get the star sword saying with light, her power flowing 1310 01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:34,000 into it, activating it. And nothing had ever felt so 1311 01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:37,880 right, so easy as plunging the blade into the Bony chest of the 1312 01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:41,200 wounded Reaper. It arced, bellowing, black blood 1313 01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:44,760 spurting from its withered lips. So obviously this is the first 1314 01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:47,160 time we see the Star Sword killing the unkillable, so to 1315 01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:48,760 speak, right? So this is when Bryce kind of 1316 01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:51,560 realizes what it is. I just think it's interesting 1317 01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:54,640 that Thea made the Star Sword. Well, we don't really know. 1318 01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:57,280 We don't really know, but we are basically told right that Thea 1319 01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:01,960 made the Star Sword and Truth Teller in the effort of 1320 01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:05,880 overthrowing the Asteri. But in that in that vein it is 1321 01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:07,920 also able to kill things from hell right? 1322 01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,000 Like why? Why is it able to kill things 1323 01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,920 from hell if the goal was killing things Asteri related? 1324 01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:17,040 Which I think is interesting. And with both the star sword and 1325 01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:20,280 Ataraxia, when Nestor kills Lanthus, both of these 1326 01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:23,080 unkillable things have black blood, right? 1327 01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:25,840 And we know that Vespers had black blood, but other Esteri 1328 01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,440 don't seem to have black blood. But like, what is the link 1329 01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:29,760 there? What does that signify? 1330 01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:31,800 This I thought was kind of crazy. 1331 01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:33,960 Oh, this is kind of the most wild thing to me that the 1332 01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,920 reapers can do. They are able to activate the 1333 01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:40,640 gate in the bone quarter, right? So this is when Hunt and Bryce 1334 01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:42,920 are in the bone quarter fighting the under King. 1335 01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:47,000 We get the crystal of the dead gate began to glow white, not 1336 01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:51,200 from her touch but as if the reapers were chanting awakening 1337 01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:55,560 the dead gate somehow right? We're basically told only like 1338 01:06:55,560 --> 01:07:00,120 the horn activate the power of the gate and the horn was a 1339 01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:02,960 trove item made by the Asteri right? 1340 01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:08,440 Like Bryce basically blows the horn, Micah blows the horn and 1341 01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:12,480 that and starboard power again which we think is a starry power 1342 01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:17,920 is able to activate the gates. Why are these Reapers able to 1343 01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:22,480 activate the Dead Gate? I agree with you on the gate 1344 01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:27,480 piece in particular, and I think it has, yeah, something to do 1345 01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:29,680 with the fact that they are from hell. 1346 01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:32,000 Like specifically that they're from hell. 1347 01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:37,840 And the reason that I think that is because of what we've seen 1348 01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:41,440 with Synth and its ability to help activate the horn and 1349 01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:43,960 Hellfire and its ability to activate the horn. 1350 01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:46,560 I think that there's something and like obviously we'll talk 1351 01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:51,600 about it later in this episode, but I do think there's something 1352 01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:55,080 very, very interesting going on with beings of hell and the 1353 01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:57,840 ability to open gates to other worlds. 1354 01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:01,240 And I think the Reapers have like the reapers probably have a 1355 01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:03,800 leg up or something else going on because they are they do have 1356 01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,240 one foot in one foot out on life in general. 1357 01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:10,480 And I really want, I really want to draw connections between them 1358 01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:14,040 and the surreal, but I don't have great other than the black 1359 01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:15,640 blood. Honestly, I don't have great 1360 01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:18,920 connections between. No, I tend to agree. 1361 01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:20,439 I would, yeah. I would tend to agree. 1362 01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:22,240 Yeah, yeah. Did you have any other 1363 01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:24,479 creatures? Well, I did have the death 1364 01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:26,439 stalkers. There are death stalkers. 1365 01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:30,399 They're creepy fucking pets of the Prince of the Pit. 1366 01:08:30,399 --> 01:08:34,120 We learn about them first in House of Sky and Breath. 1367 01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:37,560 Hunt recognizes them because he has been scarred by one of them 1368 01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:40,680 before, so he recognizes it's a Death Stalker. 1369 01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:43,319 Even the burbling fountain beyond them seem to quiet at the 1370 01:08:43,319 --> 01:08:44,200 name. What's that? 1371 01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:46,760 Lethal assassins bred by the Prince of the Pit. 1372 01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:50,439 He keeps them as pets. Athaler's wings rustled, Had a 1373 01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,319 shadow blast over the sun. I've only dealt with them once. 1374 01:08:53,319 --> 01:08:56,040 I've got a scar down my back from it and Napoleon kind of 1375 01:08:56,040 --> 01:09:00,279 acknowledges it later here and it's like, yeah, I'm like, sorry 1376 01:09:00,279 --> 01:09:03,200 about the scar. I acknowledge that. 1377 01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:05,479 You know, my one of my death Stalkers gave that to you. 1378 01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:09,120 Interestingly, in the final battles, Thanatos is kind of 1379 01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:12,880 responsible for the Death Stalkers and the army of them 1380 01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:17,840 and has kind of like not very leashed control over the army of 1381 01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:19,680 Death Stalkers. I don't think there's really 1382 01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:22,399 that much honestly to talk about when it comes to the death 1383 01:09:22,399 --> 01:09:26,080 Stalkers, just that they're another flavor of hound like 1384 01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:30,040 beings that are actually bred by appalling it, but seem to be 1385 01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:33,720 controlled by Thanatos. So we'll talk more about then 1386 01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:35,359 when we talk about Thanatos or I will. 1387 01:09:35,359 --> 01:09:40,279 I think the whole the main thing that's still just so crazy about 1388 01:09:40,279 --> 01:09:43,279 the hell creatures versus Steri creatures is the tight 1389 01:09:43,279 --> 01:09:46,720 similarities between them. They just like like a Death 1390 01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:49,640 stalker sounds a lot like a Daglin hound, right? 1391 01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:52,000 Like in my opinion, like they seem very similar. 1392 01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:55,080 So is that just writing style? Is that an intentional choice? 1393 01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:58,600 No. Yeah, I think the only other 1394 01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:00,440 thing may be worth mentioning here. 1395 01:10:00,440 --> 01:10:04,320 And again, we have no real evidence for any of this, but 1396 01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:08,200 all of the hell like creatures that are creatures of Midgard 1397 01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:10,920 recognized are in House of Lame and Shadow. 1398 01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:14,240 And so that begs the question, what is going on with the 1399 01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:18,240 wraiths, the Draki and the Dragons who are not confirmed 1400 01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:22,320 creatures of hell, but all have very hell like properties, 1401 01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:24,280 right? Wraiths are like shadows 1402 01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:26,600 basically that can inhabit other bodies. 1403 01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:28,960 It's very, very Prince of hell life. 1404 01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:32,880 What's going on with the Draki? Dragons have like the only one 1405 01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:35,960 of the only types of fire that can harm a Prince of hell. 1406 01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:38,680 How would you have that if you don't hail from hell? 1407 01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:42,280 In some regards the Dragons are by the Miss Well Ariatne. 1408 01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:44,680 It's used by the Mystic to protect against hell. 1409 01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:48,640 Now how well she does that I think is a question that is 1410 01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:53,920 worth asking given what happens. But yeah, and I think it's 1411 01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:57,160 interesting too with the race because obviously we have race 1412 01:10:57,160 --> 01:11:00,320 and Qatar, right. So if the race are from hell are 1413 01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:03,360 dwell and Serge went from hell, right. 1414 01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:08,720 All right, next question. All right, Ronnie, what is the 1415 01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:12,320 Crystallos? The Crystallis is a demon from 1416 01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:18,320 hell with a lot more to it than that, but the Crystallis is a 1417 01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:22,040 demon from Hell. The physical description of a 1418 01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:26,360 Crystallis is is kind is actually especially creepy. 1419 01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:28,800 The description at least is from House of Earth and Blood chapter 1420 01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:30,720 46. Sorry Crescent City 1 Chapter 1421 01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:34,400 46. And most of the Crystallis 1422 01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:36,480 involvement that we get is from Crescent City. 1423 01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:41,880 One has a grayish near translucent hide. 1424 01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:45,880 So it's giving like deep hell because near translucent usually 1425 01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:49,000 is associated with demons that don't see light. 1426 01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:55,800 It has clear blood, creepy, a clawed hand and crystalline 1427 01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:57,920 Talon. So it's called a crystallos 1428 01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:01,560 because it is it literally looks crystalline, which crystal in 1429 01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:04,400 this world is a conduit. So that's interesting. 1430 01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:09,560 Worth noting the crystallosis is blind and it also has clear 1431 01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:11,560 teeth. So crystalline talons, clear 1432 01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:15,560 teeth, clear blood, near translucent hide and blind like 1433 01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:18,840 sightless eyes puts together a very, very creepy picture. 1434 01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:22,480 It's venom negates magical abilities. 1435 01:12:22,480 --> 01:12:26,240 We don't actually learn it when Micah is downed, but it should 1436 01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:30,240 have given us pause when an Angel was downed and then Bryce 1437 01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:31,360 survived. Right? 1438 01:12:31,440 --> 01:12:34,400 That probably should have been a little flag in our brains. 1439 01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:38,200 But just for context for those who have forgotten because I 1440 01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:40,480 learned on my reread that I forgot most of what happened. 1441 01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:45,880 Crescent said he won he first meet the Crystallos in the very 1442 01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:48,080 beginning of House and Earth. House of Earth and blood. 1443 01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:51,040 I'll just like explain the unexplained at that point right? 1444 01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:54,760 Danica does herself in and everybody around her in through 1445 01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:58,200 synth and accidentally summons the Cristalos demon because 1446 01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:02,000 synth has Obsidian salt in it. So the Cristalos is summoned. 1447 01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:06,040 We meet the Cristalos demon at that point Bryce sees it, chases 1448 01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:08,800 it, thinks that the Cristalos demon is responsible for Danica 1449 01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:10,760 and the pack's death the entire time. 1450 01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:13,400 But later later we learn, no, it was actually the synth. 1451 01:13:13,480 --> 01:13:17,040 And the synth, because of its Obsidian salt content, summoned 1452 01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:18,680 the Crystallis. So let's talk about the 1453 01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:21,360 Crystallis in more depth. To be fair, real quick, not to 1454 01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:24,400 besmirch the bit dead, Micah did inject Danica with the synth. 1455 01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:25,680 She didn't do it herself, but yes. 1456 01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:31,400 Yes, Micah did murder Danica by injecting her with synth, and 1457 01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:34,960 Micah had also been summoning the Cristallis demon to try and 1458 01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:37,680 hunt down the horn for himself, which we will talk about more as 1459 01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:39,040 well. Like a bad dude. 1460 01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:41,840 Glad that Bryce vacuumed him up. Do not miss him. 1461 01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:47,360 Was everything in chapter 50 is when we kind of start 1462 01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:50,560 researching the Cristalos demon or one of the early days when 1463 01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:51,880 we're researching the Cristal's demon. 1464 01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:54,800 Have you come across any information about the Cristalos 1465 01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:57,520 negating magic days later? Hunt, this is Hunt. 1466 01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:00,880 He couldn't stop thinking about it, how it felt for his power to 1467 01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:03,520 just sputter and die in his veins. 1468 01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:06,160 No, I still haven't found anything about the creation of 1469 01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:09,000 the Cristalos, except that it was made from the blood of the 1470 01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:12,400 first star born Prince and the essence of the Star Eater 1471 01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:14,880 himself. Nothing about it negating magic. 1472 01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:17,560 Roon nodded at him. You've never come across a demon 1473 01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:19,440 that can do that? And I'm skipping a bit. 1474 01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:21,920 Not one. Which spells and Gorsian stones 1475 01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:23,480 negate magic? But this was different. 1476 01:14:23,480 --> 01:14:25,400 He dealt with both before they bound him. 1477 01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:28,280 Using the witch ink on his brow, they shackled him with manacles 1478 01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:31,200 hewn from the Gorsian stones of the Dolos Mountains, rare metal 1479 01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:34,360 whose properties numbed one's access to magic. 1480 01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:36,800 Skipping a bit again. Green motion to the ancient book 1481 01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:39,360 he left on the table days ago, still open to a passage about 1482 01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:42,840 the Starborn fae. If the Star Eater himself put 1483 01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:45,320 his essence in the Crystallis, that's probably what gave the 1484 01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:49,400 demon the ability to eat magic, just as Prince Pelia's blood 1485 01:14:49,480 --> 01:14:52,040 gave it the ability to look for the horn. 1486 01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:54,600 This is early days, right? This is before like we know a 1487 01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:58,320 thing about a thing. But in this early research, we 1488 01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:02,120 are learning that Apollyon allegedly creates the Crystallis 1489 01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:06,920 from Prince Pelia's blood and his own essence to hunt the horn 1490 01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:08,880 and so that the venom negates magic. 1491 01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:13,200 And when Bryce later gets the venom removed, because again, 1492 01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:16,160 Bryce does have an encounter with the Crystallis the night 1493 01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:19,000 that Danica dies, there is venom in her leg. 1494 01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:20,760 She never bothers getting it taken out. 1495 01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:23,960 Hunt staples her injury shot. He has like a whole guilt trip 1496 01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:25,280 about it. She never gets it removed 1497 01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:26,360 because she wants to feel the pain. 1498 01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:30,040 She and Hunt go to Hyperxia. I don't believe they know it's 1499 01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:31,680 Hyperxia at the time to get it removed. 1500 01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:34,360 This is in chapter 61. Again, you got to keep a lot of 1501 01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:36,520 stuff straight, straight in these fucking books. 1502 01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:40,600 It's it's apparent that the venom has actually been feeding 1503 01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:43,120 on her because it's been in her for so long. 1504 01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:45,800 So not only has it been kind of suppressing her magic, but it 1505 01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:50,240 has been feeding on her for the duration that has been in her, 1506 01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:53,040 which at this point has been almost 2 years, I think like a 1507 01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:54,280 year and a half or something like that. 1508 01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:57,480 With his wound the other night, the poison had not yet taken 1509 01:15:57,480 --> 01:15:59,160 root. With an injury like yours, deep 1510 01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:01,760 and old venom is a kind of Organism. 1511 01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:04,040 It feeds off you. It won't want to go easily, 1512 01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:07,200 especially after so long meshing itself to your body. 1513 01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:10,080 I shall have to use my own magic to pull it from your body. 1514 01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:13,640 And then of course, hypaxia does take the venom out of Rice's 1515 01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:15,200 body and it's a very sweet scene. 1516 01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:18,560 And Hunt kisses her and it's like kind of the beginning of of 1517 01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:20,320 their romance. This is used to create the 1518 01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:21,520 antidote. We'll get there when we get 1519 01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:24,000 there. So again, going back to what 1520 01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:29,760 Rune tells us about Apollyon breeding the crystallos, we are 1521 01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:33,160 told that it's bred to track the horn a few times. 1522 01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:37,880 And one of these sources is from the Faye archives, which is not 1523 01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:41,080 completely unreliable, right? And I kept kind of waiting 1524 01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:44,520 actually throughout the entire series for this to be disproven. 1525 01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:47,400 It's never actually disproven, which again, what is going on 1526 01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:50,600 with Pelleus? I think that the Crystallis was 1527 01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:54,240 bred to find the horn because the Princess of Hell say that 1528 01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:58,080 their goal was basically to open the Northern rift and they 1529 01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:01,080 needed the horn to do that. But the idea of it being made 1530 01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:05,120 from Pelleus's blood I don't think makes any sense. 1531 01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:06,440 But maybe you were about to get into. 1532 01:17:06,440 --> 01:17:11,120 That so in so in Chapter 21 of Crescent City One, the Star 1533 01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:13,880 Eater himself bred a new horror just to hunt the horn, using 1534 01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:16,160 some blood he managed to spill from Prince Pelleas on a 1535 01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:18,120 battlefield in his own terrible essence. 1536 01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:21,200 Beast, twisted out of the collision of light and darkness, 1537 01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:23,600 been swiped on his phone, and the next illustration appeared. 1538 01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:25,280 This is photos from the Fae Archives. 1539 01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:27,040 The reason he'd had her come here. 1540 01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:30,200 He had taken this gamble. Rice recoiled at the grotesque 1541 01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:32,920 pale body, the clear teeth bared in a roar. 1542 01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:34,680 You recognize it? Rune said softly. 1543 01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:37,120 Bryce shook herself as if to bring herself back to reality 1544 01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:39,720 and rubbed her thigh absently. That's the demon I found 1545 01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:42,760 attacking the Angel which was Micah in the alley on that 1546 01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:45,120 night. Hunt gave her a sharp look. 1547 01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:47,720 The one that attacked U2? Bryce gave a small affirmative 1548 01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:48,800 nod. What is it? 1549 01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:50,720 It dwells in the dark steps of the pit. 1550 01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:53,240 Rune answered, So lightless that the Star Eater named at the 1551 01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:55,680 Crystallos for its clear blood and teeth. 1552 01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:57,600 Athlar said. I've never heard of it. 1553 01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:59,280 Bryce contemplated the drawing it. 1554 01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:02,800 There was never mention of a fucking demon in the research I 1555 01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:04,360 did on the horn. She met us gaze. 1556 01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:06,080 No one put this together two years ago. 1557 01:18:06,440 --> 01:18:08,800 I think it's taken 2 years to put it together. 1558 01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,600 Rune said carefully. This volume was deep in the Fae 1559 01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:14,480 archives with the stuff that's not allowed to be scanned. 1560 01:18:14,480 --> 01:18:16,440 None of your research would have ever pulled it up. 1561 01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:21,240 The entire damn thing was in the old language of the fae and had 1562 01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:23,120 taken him most of the night to translate. 1563 01:18:23,440 --> 01:18:26,200 Throwing in the lingering fog of the mirth root hadn't helped. 1564 01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:32,160 So this, the artifact that he found that had the detail about 1565 01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:35,560 the fact that it was made with Prince Peleus's blood was in the 1566 01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:37,800 old language. Maybe the Autumn King wrote it, 1567 01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:40,840 in which case, yeah, like, then it would be bullshit. 1568 01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:44,280 Maybe other, like, misled, misguided Fay wrote it, in which 1569 01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:46,040 case it could very well be bullshit. 1570 01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:49,160 But it was clearly intended to be kept secret. 1571 01:18:49,480 --> 01:18:53,120 And we do learn that the crystallos is old, like, old as 1572 01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:55,560 fuck, right? Like has not entered Midgard in 1573 01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:59,200 a very, very long time. Hunt describes it as a type 6, 1574 01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:02,960 type 6 demon, meaning like a deep deep demon, and says we're 1575 01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:05,720 looking for information on something that hasn't entered 1576 01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:09,440 this world 15,000 years. The fact that no one could idea 1577 01:19:09,440 --> 01:19:12,080 it suggested might not have made it into many of the history 1578 01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:15,440 books, and only a handful of those books survived this wrong. 1579 01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:20,160 We find evidence of the crystallos in art from 15,000 1580 01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:25,000 years ago, but about 100 years post Pelleus, and this art was 1581 01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:28,440 on a vase from Parthos. The terracotta vase dated back 1582 01:19:28,440 --> 01:19:32,120 nearly 15,000 years after Prince Pelleus, by about a century, but 1583 01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:34,760 the crystallis hadn't yet faded from common memory. 1584 01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:38,240 She read the brief catalog copy and said it's at a gallery in 1585 01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:41,800 Mercium, which put it a sea and 2000 miles beyond that from 1586 01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:43,720 Lunathian. She pulled the computer to her 1587 01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:45,480 and clicked on the thumbnail. But these photos should be 1588 01:19:45,480 --> 01:19:46,680 enough. A good sign. 1589 01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:49,240 Hon pointed at the image rendered in black paint against 1590 01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:51,840 the burnt orange of the terracotta of a Cristalis demon, 1591 01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:54,720 roaring as a sword was driven through its head by a helmeted 1592 01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:56,680 male warrior. She leaned toward the screen. 1593 01:19:56,760 --> 01:19:59,600 How so that the crystals can be killed the old fashioned way? 1594 01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:02,320 As far as I can tell, there's no magic or special artifact being 1595 01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:05,440 used to kill it here, just plain brute force. 1596 01:20:05,480 --> 01:20:07,480 That's odd. It says the vase is originally 1597 01:20:07,480 --> 01:20:09,000 from Parthos. He angled his head. 1598 01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:11,440 I thought Parthos was a myth, a human fairy tale. 1599 01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:14,000 I'm skipping a bit. The space was made by a nymph, 1600 01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:16,200 not some mythical enlightened human. 1601 01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:19,880 Maybe Parthos hadn't been wiped off the map entirely by that 1602 01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:21,760 point. So this is again. 1603 01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:26,000 Old like pre parthos destruction. 1604 01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:29,480 So the Crystallis is old again. We still do not have anything 1605 01:20:29,480 --> 01:20:33,040 ironclad to indicate that it had made with Prince Pelia's blood 1606 01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:36,200 at this point other than like some old fae bullshit. 1607 01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:39,640 Because like the fae do believe that Peleus was a starborn 1608 01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:41,120 Prince. One thing that is interesting 1609 01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:44,240 though, Rune can track the horn as well right? 1610 01:20:44,440 --> 01:20:49,640 Just like the Crystalis, and that is from House of Earth and 1611 01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:51,080 Blood. Crescent said he won again 1612 01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:54,360 because Prince Pellius's star Warren power was woven into the 1613 01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:56,040 horn itself. And it's in my blood. 1614 01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:58,960 My father thinks I might have some sort of preternatural gift 1615 01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:01,480 to find it, he admitted. When I was browsing the archives 1616 01:21:01,480 --> 01:21:04,600 last night, this book jumped out at me, literally. 1617 01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:06,760 Bryce asked. Browse High, Rune said. 1618 01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:10,160 Just felt like it shimmered. I don't fucking know. 1619 01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:12,760 All I know is I was down there for hours, and then I sensed the 1620 01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:15,320 book, and when I saw that illustration of the horn, there 1621 01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:17,280 it was. The crap I translated confirmed 1622 01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:18,720 it. So the Cristalos can track the 1623 01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:20,120 horn, Bryce said, eyes glittering. 1624 01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:23,240 But so can you. And later, right? 1625 01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:25,520 He kind of like puts this all together and it's like, oh, I've 1626 01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:28,120 actually just been drawn to Bryce the whole time, right? 1627 01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:31,360 Rune has been drawn to Bryce. So something about Rune too? 1628 01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:34,320 Rune is star born, but that makes sense. 1629 01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:40,240 I think what doesn't add up to me here is the idea they used 1630 01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:44,520 Pelleus's blood to make the crystallis to track the horn. 1631 01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:48,440 Because by the definition that Adas gave us of Starborn, you 1632 01:21:48,440 --> 01:21:53,480 have to be a descendant of Thea, and Pelleus cannot be a 1633 01:21:53,480 --> 01:21:56,360 descendant. Yeah, right. 1634 01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:58,360 So. And when Pelleus used the horn, 1635 01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:03,360 he broke it, right? So I guess just thinking out 1636 01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:05,080 loud here like they could have used it. 1637 01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:08,040 Maybe it makes sense if it is what we're talking about, what 1638 01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:11,120 we've been kind of hinting at that Pelleus was gifted some 1639 01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:13,440 sort of a steri power when he died. 1640 01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:15,920 Sorry, he didn't die. I forgot he didn't fucking die 1641 01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:18,120 when we're told he died on the battlefield. 1642 01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:21,680 But like, right, if Pelleus was gifted some sort of a steri 1643 01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:25,240 power and then Apollyon injured him I guess, but didn't kill 1644 01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:28,840 him, and then that was used to create the Crystalis demon, that 1645 01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:31,600 makes a little bit of sense I guess. 1646 01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:34,240 But like this whole thing, nobody lies on top of lies. 1647 01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:37,200 There are a lot of lies on top of lies. 1648 01:22:37,440 --> 01:22:43,560 Something, something had to be true about Pelleus that he was 1649 01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:47,520 able to even partially wield this horn at all, right? 1650 01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:52,600 And So what I'm wondering is, was Pellius's blood actually 1651 01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:54,760 used? And we just like, I just don't 1652 01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:57,800 have a fully formed theory about like, what the fuck is going on 1653 01:22:57,800 --> 01:23:00,080 with Pellius's blood? We know something was going on 1654 01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:03,520 with him because he didn't die #1 and he used the horn. 1655 01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:05,760 So like what's going on with Pellius? 1656 01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:09,440 What's going on? I don't know, I didn't think 1657 01:23:09,440 --> 01:23:11,840 we'd have so much Peleus chat this episode, but I'm fine with 1658 01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:12,600 it. I'm here for. 1659 01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:16,320 And I think he would have had to have used this horn after he was 1660 01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:19,440 supposed to have been killed because he closed the rift. 1661 01:23:19,440 --> 01:23:20,880 Yeah, I think so. Right. 1662 01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:24,440 So if he like say he was resurrected, say he was brought 1663 01:23:24,440 --> 01:23:29,080 back and his blood was used. I actually don't know that 1664 01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:31,600 Pelleus closed the rift at all. We're kind of going down a huge 1665 01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:34,680 tangent here. Ijalis actually says that Celine 1666 01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:37,360 or Helena closed the rift, but we can get into that later. 1667 01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:38,920 We're going to do more Pelleus talk. 1668 01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:41,120 We'll figure it out. But anyway this. 1669 01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:42,320 Story. Story doesn't make sense. 1670 01:23:43,440 --> 01:23:48,480 Hypaxia reinforces that this is an ancient demon through her 1671 01:23:48,480 --> 01:23:51,240 tutors, right? She's talking to Rune and Rune 1672 01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:54,080 is like, you recognize this demon and she's like, I had very 1673 01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:55,720 old tutors. They required me to study 1674 01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:58,640 ancient texts. Very old. 1675 01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:04,760 Very old whoops and room just kind of like shakes it off. 1676 01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:06,640 I don't know why he didn't ask more questions at that point. 1677 01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:11,520 But anyways, back to the removal of the venom, which I definitely 1678 01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:13,400 want to talk more about, but we'll keep it brief here. 1679 01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:18,200 Hypaxia uses the Crystallis venom as an antidote for synth, 1680 01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:21,400 so this, this feels important. Right When Bryce goes to get 1681 01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:24,280 this removed, Hypaxia says. You said on the phone that you 1682 01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:27,440 received this wound from a cristalis demon and it was never 1683 01:24:27,440 --> 01:24:29,680 healed. The venom is still in you, yes. 1684 01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:32,160 Bryce said quietly. Hunt hated every bit of pain 1685 01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:34,200 that laced that word. And you give me permission to 1686 01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:36,920 use the venom I extract in my experiments as I search for a 1687 01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:39,080 synth antidote? Bryce glanced at him and he 1688 01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:40,960 nodded his encouragement. Antidote to synth? 1689 01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:42,880 Pretty damn important to have, she said. 1690 01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:46,840 So yes, you have my permission. And then later, later in the 1691 01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:49,840 passage says the venom, in order to be an effective antidote, 1692 01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:52,440 needs to be stabilized so it can interact with the synth and 1693 01:24:52,440 --> 01:24:55,480 reverse its effects. My healing magic, cypaxia, can 1694 01:24:55,480 --> 01:24:57,840 do that, but I need to be present in order to hold that 1695 01:24:57,840 --> 01:24:59,480 stability. I'm trying to find a way for the 1696 01:24:59,480 --> 01:25:02,160 magic to permanently hold the stabilization so it can be sent 1697 01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:04,520 out into the world and widely used. 1698 01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:05,720 I'm just going to paraphrase the rest. 1699 01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:09,720 So basically, she does successfully extract the venom. 1700 01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:11,920 I put this in a different section as you could probably 1701 01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:14,400 imagine. She extracts the venom. 1702 01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:18,280 She does successfully create an answer that is held together by 1703 01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:22,760 her magic at that point and it does neutralize synth based on 1704 01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:26,440 what we know now know about synth that it is created with 1705 01:25:26,440 --> 01:25:30,680 Obsidian salt and the cristalo steamens venom which negates 1706 01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:35,440 magic, neutralizes synth like neutralizes it completely. 1707 01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:38,440 I do think that this is a point for the Cristalo steam and 1708 01:25:38,440 --> 01:25:41,400 having something else about it, right? 1709 01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:45,040 Something else that's not just hell, that's not just a polyan 1710 01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:48,080 if it is neutralizing salt completely. 1711 01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:52,720 In it, not only is the antidote to Synth, it later becomes the 1712 01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:55,120 antidote to the Asteri parasite, right? 1713 01:25:55,240 --> 01:25:58,480 Because Hypaxia says that she used the antidote for synth as 1714 01:25:58,480 --> 01:26:00,840 the base as the antidote to the asteri parasite. 1715 01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:06,440 So is that just the eating magic ability of the crystallos? 1716 01:26:06,440 --> 01:26:08,520 Like is that, is that what this is or. 1717 01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:10,640 Yeah, is there something else going on here? 1718 01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:11,960 It's very, very. Confusing. 1719 01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:15,960 It's confusing but I honestly I think the like the fact whether 1720 01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:19,360 they're right or wrong about the pelleus part, I think there has 1721 01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:22,520 to be something as steri within the crystallos because of the 1722 01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:25,840 eating magic part. I think it could be. 1723 01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:29,440 Well, Hunt speculates that that might be from Apollyon, Right. 1724 01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:32,560 We, we the quote is if the Star Eater himself put his essence in 1725 01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:35,280 the crystallos, that's probably what gave the demon the ability 1726 01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:38,680 to eat magic, just as Prince Pelleus's blood gave it the 1727 01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:41,440 ability to look for the horn. So we have a Polly on on one 1728 01:26:41,440 --> 01:26:44,400 hand, and we have starborn power on the other. 1729 01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:46,640 Like, basically making this. Yeah. 1730 01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:48,440 Which is crazy. Like it's kind of crazy. 1731 01:26:48,440 --> 01:26:51,160 I mean, I'm the, I guess the Hysterian does also need to be 1732 01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:52,800 there because it's looking for a Trove item. 1733 01:26:53,480 --> 01:26:54,880 Yeah. The question is, is it Peleus or 1734 01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:58,720 is it not Peleus? I don't know. 1735 01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:00,960 I don't know, like it doesn't make sense for it to be anyone 1736 01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:04,000 but Peleus because this demon was created to hunt down the 1737 01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:06,280 Horn so that they could reopen the Northern Rift. 1738 01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:10,760 And Thea and Helena had the horn when they were allied with Hell, 1739 01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:11,920 right? So they wouldn't have needed 1740 01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:14,400 this demon like you would have. Felt like a Paulian wouldn't 1741 01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:19,960 have need to would not have need to have made this beast if Thea 1742 01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:23,480 and Helena. Helena really still had the 1743 01:27:23,480 --> 01:27:25,920 horn. Maybe it's Hellena's blood. 1744 01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:28,720 Maybe they just used Hellena's blood somehow, somehow. 1745 01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:31,160 But again, like, I think that Apollyon would have needed to 1746 01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:34,720 have created it, unless he didn't, unless Apollyon didn't, 1747 01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:37,200 which would be fucking crazy. But I think he would have needed 1748 01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:40,760 to have created it before the rift closed, because how would 1749 01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:43,520 be getting back to the rift? So why were the Princess? 1750 01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:45,680 So why were the Princess hunting for the horn? 1751 01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:48,040 Where else do they want to go? But how could they have wielded 1752 01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:49,640 it? Oh, because, because Thea was 1753 01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:52,200 going to go live with Ada's and she did want to conquer all 1754 01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:54,560 these realms. But they had the horn now, so. 1755 01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:58,160 There had to be a time right between when Thea was killed and 1756 01:27:58,160 --> 01:28:01,120 when Pelli is closed, or whoever closed the rift. 1757 01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:04,720 Closed the rift. Yeah, that time that like in 1758 01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:08,320 between, had to have existed. And I think that was that had to 1759 01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:11,000 have been the time that Apollyon created and released the 1760 01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:14,880 crystallos, I think. I think you're right, yeah, on 1761 01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:16,200 the. Other side of the rift and just 1762 01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:18,800 like waited for somebody to summon a demon and like shove 1763 01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:22,320 the crystallos through. There's cracks they can send 1764 01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:24,440 people like they sent the Thunderbirds through. 1765 01:28:25,480 --> 01:28:27,960 But then, yeah, so I did something that allowed it to 1766 01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:31,440 track the horn, and Helena was only sending herself there in 1767 01:28:31,440 --> 01:28:33,520 her brain. You. 1768 01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:37,240 Know the important thing here is that we know that the Cristalos 1769 01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:40,560 did in fact hunt the horn because Michael was summoning it 1770 01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:42,560 for some time to do that for him. 1771 01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:46,440 And the Cristalos venom does negate magic and was used to 1772 01:28:46,440 --> 01:28:49,800 create the synth antidote and later the parasite antidote. 1773 01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:52,800 Mostly it was the framework. I agree. 1774 01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:59,120 Tough so I would say that this is actually an argument against 1775 01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:03,480 Bryce being Bryce having a steri power because we are told the 1776 01:29:03,480 --> 01:29:06,960 Princess of Hal say that the cristalos venom does not work on 1777 01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:08,960 the osteri right? Like Bryce is like, why don't 1778 01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:10,840 you just stick the Crystalis on the osteri? 1779 01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:15,120 And I think a Polygon says their magic wasn't the Crystallis 1780 01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:17,080 couldn't eat their magic basically, right? 1781 01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:20,160 And we know Bryce had the Crystallis venom in her leg. 1782 01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:24,400 She didn't or couldn't summon her Starlight until it was 1783 01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:26,680 pulled out of her. She does later have a line like 1784 01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:30,120 the Crystallis venom, like hurt her magic but couldn't hurt her. 1785 01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:32,160 So I don't know, maybe there's a little wiggle room, but I would 1786 01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:34,680 say that's a point against and I do want to acknowledge the 1787 01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:38,960 points against the Bryce has a stereo power theory. 1788 01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:42,640 So that's a point against it. And the other interesting thing 1789 01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:47,320 too is that I think it's interesting that the hunt for 1790 01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:50,160 the horn was blocked by the Arkeesian amulet, right? 1791 01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:52,960 So the Arkeesian amulet was powerful enough that it could 1792 01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:58,120 throw the cristalo steam and off the trail of hunting this horn. 1793 01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:02,440 So I just but why? Like what is that? 1794 01:30:02,440 --> 01:30:04,840 Like what's the power of the Arkeesian amulet that it can 1795 01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:07,560 block this demon who was literally created to hunt down 1796 01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:09,840 the horn with the essence of Apollyon? 1797 01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:12,080 Like how powerful is this thing? I think it's kind of crazy 1798 01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:14,720 because they're they're said to be human made, right? 1799 01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:16,920 The Arkeesian ambulance were made by the priestesses at 1800 01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:19,280 Parthos, right? So what is this magic like, you 1801 01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:22,040 know, kind of crazy, right? That was world's longest chat on 1802 01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:23,520 the crystallos. Now let's talk about this. 1803 01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:25,880 I don't really have that. I don't really have any 1804 01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:29,320 theories. I mean it's like a fun verberous 1805 01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:31,680 comp. To keep it brief, I didn't 1806 01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:34,000 compare it to Cerberus at all, but we definitely, definitely 1807 01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:35,600 should have. All right, So real quick, high 1808 01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:37,680 level, we know that the Shepherd. 1809 01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:42,160 We know that the shepherd is basically a hound, a hell hound, 1810 01:30:42,360 --> 01:30:46,280 if you will, that Thanatos has created and that was left 1811 01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:50,720 behind, was left behind after the first wars or what people on 1812 01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:54,320 Midgard call the first wars to spy for Thanatos. 1813 01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:57,440 The Underking thinks it's his, but Thanatos actually created 1814 01:30:57,440 --> 01:31:01,720 it. So what I think, the interesting 1815 01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:03,880 things I think we have about the Shepherd is that we are 1816 01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:07,560 immediately given scale vibes for the Shepherd. 1817 01:31:07,560 --> 01:31:11,040 So the quote is the dog's fur, sleek and iridescent enough that 1818 01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:15,000 it almost resembled scales, float over bulky bunched muscle 1819 01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:18,040 claws like razor blades sliced dry into the ground. 1820 01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:19,840 Right? Again, as a reminder for Daglin 1821 01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:24,280 hounds, we get a writhing sea of black scale body silvered by her 1822 01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:26,160 light appeared. And then for the Illyrians, 1823 01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:27,360 obviously we have the scaled armor. 1824 01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:29,240 So again, it's like scale, scale scales all over. 1825 01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:34,000 It's immune to Hunt's lightning, which kind of makes sense but 1826 01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:35,920 kind of doesn't. Like we've seen Hunt's lightning 1827 01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:38,560 work on other demons, so why does it not work on the 1828 01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:40,200 Shepherd? So the quote we have for that is 1829 01:31:40,200 --> 01:31:43,080 Hunt struck again, forced lightning splitting the sky 1830 01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:44,800 before it slammed into the creatures back. 1831 01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:46,880 But it rolled once more, shaking off the lightning. 1832 01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:49,600 The fuck? Hunt panted, drawing his sword 1833 01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:50,760 and gun as he moved. And. 1834 01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:53,840 Well, once you understand Thanatos's attachment to the 1835 01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:57,760 Shepherd, making it immune to Hellfire would make sense. 1836 01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:01,400 Because he was worried that like, well, actually this gets 1837 01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:03,040 back to your idea of the demon wars, right? 1838 01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:06,400 If this was made by Thanatos and he wanted to make something that 1839 01:32:06,480 --> 01:32:10,680 would be good against Apollyon, if Paula, if Apollyon and 1840 01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:12,880 Thanatos were fighting, I think that that could make sense. 1841 01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:14,160 OK. And then we have which is 1842 01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:16,480 probably your Cerberus comp can peel apart. 1843 01:32:16,480 --> 01:32:19,360 So the quote we have is then the hound peeled apart first its 1844 01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:21,560 head split two other heads joining the 1st and then the 1845 01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:25,040 three headed dog really should have caught this continued to 1846 01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:28,400 separate until three halves sterled at them Three VS that 1847 01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:31,760 shared one mind one goal kill. I so dull. 1848 01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:33,760 I was reading I was like why did it stop at 3? 1849 01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:36,000 Why didn't it make 100 versions fluffy? 1850 01:32:36,160 --> 01:32:39,560 This is so stupid because it's fluffy all right. 1851 01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:41,720 Once again it's killed by the star sword right? 1852 01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:45,120 So we get Hunt screamed as Bryce left in front of his power. 1853 01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:47,680 This is when they're learning that they can charge each other 1854 01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:49,600 up. So as his lightning hit the 1855 01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:53,280 black blade, exploding from the metal, flowing up into her arm, 1856 01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:56,400 her body, her heart, light flashed blinding. 1857 01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:59,080 No, that was Bryce. Power crackled from every inch 1858 01:32:59,080 --> 01:33:02,000 of her, and from the star sword. She clenched in one hand as she 1859 01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:05,080 barreled toward the shepherd. It split into 3 hounds again, 1860 01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:07,120 and as the first beast landed, Bryce struck. 1861 01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:10,040 The glowing star sword pierced at the thick hide. 1862 01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:12,520 Lightning exploded across the beast's body. 1863 01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:15,600 I think this is interesting because it is basically Bryce 1864 01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:17,320 taking in Hunt's lightning, right? 1865 01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:18,880 She's being charged up by Hunt's lightning. 1866 01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:22,560 She's converting that into her Starlight or whatever the 1867 01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:26,680 Starlight is. But then the star sword is still 1868 01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:31,120 kind of being a conduit for the lightning, right, Because we get 1869 01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:34,520 light flash blinding. No, that was Bryce power crackle 1870 01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:37,120 from every inch of her and from the star sword she clenched in 1871 01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:39,000 one hand as she barreled toward the shepherd. 1872 01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:42,880 So that's light, right? Then we get lightning exploded 1873 01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:46,200 across the beast's body, right? So it's kind of an interesting 1874 01:33:46,200 --> 01:33:49,000 conversion of powers here. And once again, basically the 1875 01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:50,880 star sword is killing the unkillable. 1876 01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:53,200 And then later, of course, we find out the Shepherd was 1877 01:33:53,200 --> 01:33:55,840 actually a spy for Thanatos. So we get the underking said you 1878 01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:59,200 abandon it after the first wars. Abandoned or intentionally 1879 01:33:59,200 --> 01:34:00,840 planted. Great fantastic. 1880 01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:02,800 I had no interest in being as lunch. 1881 01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:05,080 Bryce said a Thanatos. His eyes flared. 1882 01:34:05,080 --> 01:34:08,480 Cost me a Keeling to Midgard at the Shepherd reported faithfully 1883 01:34:08,480 --> 01:34:10,200 to me on all it heard in the Bone Quarter. 1884 01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:13,320 The souls of the dead talk freely of their world, right? 1885 01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:16,320 So it can overhear. It can overhear the souls of the 1886 01:34:16,320 --> 01:34:18,840 dead, basically. Yeah, that's almost exactly what 1887 01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:22,720 I had. I mean, it's it is poetic of 1888 01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:28,600 Thanatos to put to put a Cerberus like shepherd of souls. 1889 01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:31,640 A shepherd of souls, he calls it almost exactly. 1890 01:34:31,640 --> 01:34:33,320 I think he does actually call it exactly. 1891 01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:36,320 A shepherd of souls for a Prince who peddled them. 1892 01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:37,280 Yeah. Yeah. 1893 01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:39,720 I think it said a shepherd of souls Prince who peddled them. 1894 01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:42,000 Yeah, yeah. In in the bone quarter. 1895 01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:45,360 And I think we also talked in our Danica episode about how 1896 01:34:45,440 --> 01:34:51,080 Axion's hellhound form looks. Looks like the shepherd. 1897 01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:54,000 Yeah, and it's like a lot like multiple heads or split into 1898 01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:58,120 multiple forms, but looks like a shepherd's big, big black hound. 1899 01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:02,040 I do think we know there are more of these in hell right? 1900 01:35:02,240 --> 01:35:05,680 Thanatos has hounds around him and how So this may not be the 1901 01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:08,760 last we've seen of a shepherd. I mean I think the question here 1902 01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:11,080 is right. Like what other creatures has 1903 01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:14,000 Thanatos created potentially put in other worlds? 1904 01:35:14,160 --> 01:35:17,000 Like is this it or does he have ears everywhere? 1905 01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:19,840 Is he running a master spy network much like Eris or 1906 01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:22,600 Azrael? Like given, he said left or 1907 01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:26,000 intentionally planted, I would start wondering about all of 1908 01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:28,520 these hounds that have been left in the Hean city. 1909 01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:30,000 I am. I'm wondering about them. 1910 01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:34,760 I am wondering about that. You mean the Daglin? 1911 01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:37,360 Yeah, the Daglin hounds. Like could one of them not be 1912 01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:39,320 not be a Dagwent town? Yep. 1913 01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:41,240 Yeah, that would be interesting. Makes sense. 1914 01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:42,800 OK, good. That was quick. 1915 01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:43,880 Well, right. Yeah. 1916 01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:47,000 Good for the next one. All right, Ronnie, why can't a 1917 01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:49,640 black crown hold? Or in so we are told by the 1918 01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:53,680 Princess of Hell, while in quote Hell that a black crown can't 1919 01:35:53,680 --> 01:35:56,400 hold a Prince of Hell. So this is again in Crescent 1920 01:35:56,400 --> 01:36:00,600 City 3 Chapter 59. Apollyon's eyes glimmered like 1921 01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:03,600 coals as he sent, as he said to hunt. 1922 01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:06,600 I am disappointed to see that you have not yet freed yourself 1923 01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:08,960 from the Black Crown, Orion Afalar. 1924 01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:11,400 Someone explained what the fuck that is. 1925 01:36:11,440 --> 01:36:13,160 Hunt snapped. Which is fair, because we've 1926 01:36:13,160 --> 01:36:15,680 heard a lot about the Black Crown ahead of this without 1927 01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:18,280 being told what it is. Of all the things he'd ever 1928 01:36:18,280 --> 01:36:21,280 imagined for his life, sitting in a circle with three Princess 1929 01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:23,360 of Hell hadn't been anywhere on the list. 1930 01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:25,600 The Black Crowns were collars. And Hell. 1931 01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:29,000 Thanatos answered darkly. His powerful body seemed primed 1932 01:36:29,080 --> 01:36:31,160 to leap across that pit to attack. 1933 01:36:31,240 --> 01:36:34,680 Hunt monitored his every breath. Spells crafted by the Etheria to 1934 01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:36,840 enslave us. They were a Binding 1. 1935 01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:39,960 The asteroid adapted in their next war upon Midgard. 1936 01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:42,480 Hunt turned to Adis. You seem surprised to see one on 1937 01:36:42,480 --> 01:36:44,120 me that first time we met. Why? 1938 01:36:44,200 --> 01:36:46,520 But before Adis could begin, Apollyon answered. 1939 01:36:46,760 --> 01:36:49,360 Because the Princess of Hell cannot be contained by the Black 1940 01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:51,520 Crowns. The asteroid learned that it was 1941 01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:53,440 their downfall. As you were made by Hell's 1942 01:36:53,440 --> 01:36:57,440 Princess, so it should not be able to hold you so Hunt notably 1943 01:36:57,440 --> 01:37:01,000 this is just additional context has had two black Halos right 1944 01:37:01,040 --> 01:37:04,680 one was put on him by which and the second one was marked by 1945 01:37:04,760 --> 01:37:09,520 rigeless himself. So we get the two of them kind 1946 01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:11,920 of compared. So what the first one we learned 1947 01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:13,680 about in House of Birth and blood Chapter 61. 1948 01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:16,600 He is asked does the Halo hurt you? 1949 01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:18,560 Hunt says only when it went on. What? 1950 01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:20,520 Which? This is Hyperxia. 1951 01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:23,200 What which inked it? Some Imperial hag. 1952 01:37:23,200 --> 01:37:25,280 Hunt said through his teeth. One of the old ones. 1953 01:37:25,600 --> 01:37:28,280 The witch's face tightened. It is a darker aspect of our 1954 01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:30,240 work that we bind individuals through the Halo. 1955 01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:33,960 It should be halted entirely. So Imperial hag put on his first 1956 01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:36,080 Halo, then House of Claim and Shadow. 1957 01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:40,120 Chapter 8. What a sorry state you're in. 1958 01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:43,480 The Prince of the pit perd. He remained hidden in the 1959 01:37:43,480 --> 01:37:46,400 shifting shadows. The demon Prince inhaled as if 1960 01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:48,760 tasting the air. What delicious pain you feel. 1961 01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:51,320 I'd be happy to share this is Hun. 1962 01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:54,560 A terrifyingly soft laugh. Your good humor, it seems, 1963 01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:58,160 remains intact even with the Halo inked anew upon your brow. 1964 01:37:58,160 --> 01:38:00,800 Hunt smiled savagely. I had the honor of having it 1965 01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:04,000 done by rigeless hand this time. Interesting that he would do it 1966 01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:06,520 himself rather than employ an Imperial hag. 1967 01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:09,160 Do you detect a difference? Hunts chin dipped. 1968 01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:12,440 This one stings. The hags Halo felt like cold 1969 01:38:12,440 --> 01:38:16,520 iron, this one burns like acid. And then later in chapter 37 he 1970 01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:19,720 says he could have sworn its ink seared him every now and then. 1971 01:38:19,720 --> 01:38:22,560 It had never done that before. But this Halo inked by Rigelous 1972 01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:24,880 felt different, worse, alive somehow. 1973 01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:28,880 So the witches is described as like a dormant iron like 1974 01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:32,440 restraint basically, where is the one that rageless puts on 1975 01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:37,360 like actively actively searing him almost as like he flares up 1976 01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:39,640 his own power. It's like no, sit the fuck down, 1977 01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:43,600 actually, like you're not going to use your power here because 1978 01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:45,640 I'm restraining you. We're told this is an old method 1979 01:38:45,640 --> 01:38:47,720 that the Osteria it's existed for millennia. 1980 01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:52,720 That's not super interesting. And then once Hunt actually 1981 01:38:52,720 --> 01:38:57,040 tries to destroy the Black Crown when he and Celestina have a 1982 01:38:57,040 --> 01:39:00,120 confrontation at the Northern Rift, he has no problem slicing 1983 01:39:00,120 --> 01:39:02,120 through it once he kind of decides to do it. 1984 01:39:02,120 --> 01:39:04,560 What's interesting, I think, is that he can also slice through 1985 01:39:04,640 --> 01:39:09,160 Isaiah's, which is not really something that Napoleon alluded 1986 01:39:09,160 --> 01:39:11,920 to him being able to do. Like, it shouldn't be able to 1987 01:39:11,920 --> 01:39:14,400 contain you. You didn't necessarily say you 1988 01:39:14,400 --> 01:39:16,200 can actually get it off of anyone. 1989 01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:19,480 So that was wild. But that passage is in chapter 1990 01:39:19,480 --> 01:39:24,920 79 of Crescent City 3. And he says a leash to hold 1991 01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:26,560 demons in check. It hadn't worked on the 1992 01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:29,080 Princess. He'd be damned if he allowed it 1993 01:39:29,080 --> 01:39:31,800 to keep working on him. Hunt let his power build and 1994 01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:34,720 build and build. The snow around him melted away. 1995 01:39:34,880 --> 01:39:38,040 Napoleon had given his essence, his Hellfire to Hunt, and if 1996 01:39:38,040 --> 01:39:39,640 that made him a son of hell, so be it. 1997 01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:42,680 Hunt closed his eyes and he saw it there, the black band of the 1998 01:39:42,680 --> 01:39:44,560 Halo imprinted across his very soul. 1999 01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:47,680 It's scrolling vine of thorns. The spell to contain him. 2000 01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:50,480 Everyone knew the enslavement spell couldn't be undone and had 2001 01:39:50,480 --> 01:39:52,560 never even tried. But he was done playing by the 2002 01:39:52,560 --> 01:39:56,320 series rules, by anyone's rules. Hunt reached a mental hand 2003 01:39:56,320 --> 01:39:59,280 toward the black thorns of the Halo, wreathed his fingers and 2004 01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:02,520 lightning and Hellfire in the power that was his and only his, 2005 01:40:02,520 --> 01:40:05,440 and sliced through it. The thorns of the Halo shivered 2006 01:40:05,440 --> 01:40:07,440 and bled. Black ink dripped down, 2007 01:40:07,440 --> 01:40:10,160 dissolving into nothing, gobbled up by the power that was now 2008 01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:12,360 surging in him, rising up. And then he does. 2009 01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:15,040 He undoes Isaiah's. So he sliced the line through 2010 01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:16,920 the Halo on his brow. Isaiah hissed. 2011 01:40:17,320 --> 01:40:20,960 Staggering back so he's able to get rid of his he's also able to 2012 01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:23,880 get rid of Isaiah's. Isaiah's presumably is still 2013 01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:27,520 done by an imperial hag. So again, I'm not too too sure 2014 01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:30,320 exactly what the difference is. There clearly is a difference 2015 01:40:30,320 --> 01:40:33,440 between what the witch put in. It seems like that one is use of 2016 01:40:33,440 --> 01:40:36,440 iron, which again we've been told hasn't like bears no 2017 01:40:36,800 --> 01:40:42,800 meaning here but seems to and Hunt has no problem just killing 2018 01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:48,400 it and he has no issue either. Why this is a question like why 2019 01:40:48,480 --> 01:40:53,520 can it not be contained? We are told in chapter 16 by 2020 01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:58,240 Apollyon that it basically is related to the same properties 2021 01:40:58,560 --> 01:41:01,000 that that link them to black salt. 2022 01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:04,440 So that quote is, if a violin is one of the stronger thin places, 2023 01:41:04,440 --> 01:41:06,920 why the hysteria even allow the fate to live here? 2024 01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:09,840 The black salt in such high quantity keeps them away. 2025 01:41:09,960 --> 01:41:12,320 They never realized that its presence drew us as much as it 2026 01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:14,760 repelled them. Napoleon said with satisfaction. 2027 01:41:14,760 --> 01:41:18,640 It has the same properties that made us immune to the thrall of 2028 01:41:18,640 --> 01:41:21,400 their black crowns. Here's what I think this means, 2029 01:41:21,400 --> 01:41:23,240 because the wording is actually pretty tricky. 2030 01:41:23,440 --> 01:41:27,640 It has the same properties that made us immune to the thrall of 2031 01:41:27,640 --> 01:41:29,120 their black crowns. And the. 2032 01:41:29,120 --> 01:41:33,160 It is the black salt. Yeah. 2033 01:41:33,160 --> 01:41:37,720 So I think what what Pauline is saying, I think is that the 2034 01:41:37,720 --> 01:41:41,600 black salt does something to a steri energy. 2035 01:41:41,920 --> 01:41:46,960 It repels or neutralizes it. It's essentially like anti a 2036 01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:51,680 steri matter substance. And Apollyon is saying that he 2037 01:41:52,240 --> 01:41:56,880 and his kind, like the Princess, have that same intrinsic 2038 01:41:56,880 --> 01:42:01,640 property in their nature that black salt has as a substance. 2039 01:42:01,640 --> 01:42:04,480 So whatever it is that black salt, whatever it is about black 2040 01:42:04,480 --> 01:42:09,720 salt that pushes Esteri away, is also baked into what Apollyon is 2041 01:42:09,720 --> 01:42:13,880 and the other Princess are. So black salt repels the Esteri 2042 01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:16,760 physically, magically away from a Volin. 2043 01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:19,840 And like other physical locations, Apollyon's nature 2044 01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:24,640 same repels the Esteri's thrall from his mind, his power so the 2045 01:42:24,640 --> 01:42:28,560 same like anti asteri property, two different expressions of it, 2046 01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:30,920 salt and the Princess innate nature. 2047 01:42:31,680 --> 01:42:34,480 So I understand it very. Clear. 2048 01:42:34,520 --> 01:42:36,840 Thank you, that actually helped me a lot because I was very 2049 01:42:36,840 --> 01:42:40,080 struggling with this. Amusing. 2050 01:42:41,200 --> 01:42:43,640 But what I think is interesting. A couple of things. 2051 01:42:43,640 --> 01:42:47,200 I was smiling while you were chatting because I it only just 2052 01:42:47,200 --> 01:42:50,280 occurred to me that Imperial Hag is like an official position 2053 01:42:50,280 --> 01:42:51,280 here. I thought it was just a mean 2054 01:42:51,280 --> 01:42:53,960 nickname, but I think there actually is a real role in the 2055 01:42:53,960 --> 01:42:57,000 Esteri art. Yeah, it's a true role. 2056 01:42:57,160 --> 01:42:59,720 So congratulations to the Imperial. 2057 01:42:59,720 --> 01:43:06,440 Congratulations. I think this is interesting 2058 01:43:06,440 --> 01:43:09,160 because I think it fits with what we were just talking about 2059 01:43:09,160 --> 01:43:12,320 with the cristalos and the parasite, right? 2060 01:43:12,320 --> 01:43:16,200 Because the way that this crown is described, when rigeless puts 2061 01:43:16,200 --> 01:43:18,520 it on as if it's almost alive, right? 2062 01:43:18,520 --> 01:43:21,760 Like that seems like the same idea as the parasite, right? 2063 01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:24,840 It's alive, It's sucking on Huntsman sucking on, it's 2064 01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:28,080 feeding on its magic. It's like it's, it's stealing 2065 01:43:28,080 --> 01:43:31,760 his magic, right? And then the antidote to that is 2066 01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:35,560 the Cristalos, which is made from Apollyon's essence and the 2067 01:43:35,560 --> 01:43:39,440 Ant and Hunt is not able to be held by a black crown because he 2068 01:43:39,440 --> 01:43:42,160 also has again, a Polygon. I don't know if it's a Polygon 2069 01:43:42,160 --> 01:43:47,600 specifically or just all hell whatever that is his, which I 2070 01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:51,520 think is interesting so. Here's where the crystallis as 2071 01:43:51,520 --> 01:43:54,360 the antidote kind of breaks down for me because I went exactly 2072 01:43:54,360 --> 01:43:56,400 where you went. But This is why I think that the 2073 01:43:56,400 --> 01:44:00,080 Cristalos has to have like when it has it has something hysteria 2074 01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:03,000 about it because it allows it to track down the horn synth has 2075 01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:04,720 black salt. That's the part where I'm like, 2076 01:44:04,720 --> 01:44:06,480 what? Like what is actually going on 2077 01:44:06,480 --> 01:44:08,920 here? Like the neutralizing, like the 2078 01:44:08,920 --> 01:44:11,160 fact that there's a Polygon and the fact that there's black 2079 01:44:11,160 --> 01:44:15,280 salt. Like those based on this should 2080 01:44:15,280 --> 01:44:18,760 be like and like, but we also have like we have to have 2081 01:44:18,760 --> 01:44:21,520 something asteria on the crystallo side. 2082 01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:24,520 If it's if it's tracking the horn, I think I don't. 2083 01:44:24,640 --> 01:44:26,720 Know if it's tracking the horn? I think so too. 2084 01:44:27,000 --> 01:44:29,080 I think so too. And whether that's Peleus's 2085 01:44:29,080 --> 01:44:30,960 Starborn power or something else, I think so too. 2086 01:44:31,160 --> 01:44:35,800 So like all these people who inject synth and live, are they 2087 01:44:37,520 --> 01:44:40,440 immune to the parasite? Are they immune to a steri 2088 01:44:40,440 --> 01:44:42,440 power? Like if it has black salt in it, 2089 01:44:42,440 --> 01:44:45,520 like what's going on there? That might just be a fun fanfic 2090 01:44:45,760 --> 01:44:47,840 opportunity there. I don't know, just put that out 2091 01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:50,080 there since kind of dies and never comes back. 2092 01:44:50,080 --> 01:44:52,400 And I actually thought it was so interesting and I wish it had 2093 01:44:52,400 --> 01:44:54,440 kind of stayed. Maybe it'll be back in Book 4. 2094 01:44:54,520 --> 01:44:58,600 I don't know, since the fact that sin is what healed the horn 2095 01:44:58,680 --> 01:45:02,360 in my mind, what it has become for me is just like the Obsidian 2096 01:45:02,360 --> 01:45:06,720 salt of it all. And that's like, but I agree, it 2097 01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:11,800 needs to come back, Yeah. All right, guys, we are finally 2098 01:45:11,800 --> 01:45:14,000 getting to the ATIS part of the episode. 2099 01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:17,680 Yes, Abby, I told you I said this. 2100 01:45:17,680 --> 01:45:19,000 Is going to be so long. You're right. 2101 01:45:19,040 --> 01:45:20,600 You're right. Maybe the next one will be 2102 01:45:20,600 --> 01:45:23,600 short. All right, Abby, what are 2103 01:45:24,280 --> 01:45:25,520 Atis's? Power. 2104 01:45:27,400 --> 01:45:30,960 All right, it's not a short list, unfortunately. 2105 01:45:30,960 --> 01:45:32,880 That's OK, we'll go through it real quick. 2106 01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:36,720 All right, so Adis first thing seems to be able to sense 2107 01:45:36,880 --> 01:45:39,760 people's powers. So we've kind of talked about 2108 01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:43,160 this with the Princess of Hell, but the first time he meets 2109 01:45:43,160 --> 01:45:47,160 Hunt, we get a fallen warrior with the power of dot dot dot. 2110 01:45:47,200 --> 01:45:49,920 You might have just read this. Edis's groomed brows lifted and 2111 01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:52,200 surprised. His blue Opal eyes narrowed to 2112 01:45:52,200 --> 01:45:55,000 slits, then simmered like the hottest flame. 2113 01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:57,240 What are you doing with a black crown around your brow? 2114 01:45:57,240 --> 01:46:01,080 Right, so like he meets Hunt and he immediately fox this guy has 2115 01:46:01,080 --> 01:46:02,920 hell powers, which is interesting right? 2116 01:46:02,920 --> 01:46:04,760 That means they weren't like keeping an eye on hunt. 2117 01:46:04,760 --> 01:46:07,640 They didn't know who Hunt was. Hunt just was kind of out there 2118 01:46:07,640 --> 01:46:09,640 and now they're like, oh, this guy, This is. 2119 01:46:09,640 --> 01:46:12,920 More evidence for that they were maybe at odds with each other 2120 01:46:12,920 --> 01:46:17,280 because Apollyon seems quite attuned with who Hunt is, Atis 2121 01:46:17,280 --> 01:46:19,160 is. And Apollyon at one point was 2122 01:46:19,160 --> 01:46:21,360 like, I don't, I'm not responsible for the motions of 2123 01:46:21,360 --> 01:46:23,080 my brother. Like I don't know where he was. 2124 01:46:23,080 --> 01:46:26,120 But hi, Orion, like are you fulfilling your purpose? 2125 01:46:26,800 --> 01:46:28,600 Yeah, that's a great point. That's a great point. 2126 01:46:29,040 --> 01:46:32,600 Polly on seems to know exactly who Hunt is and how to talk to 2127 01:46:32,600 --> 01:46:34,400 him in dreams, which we will talk about next episode. 2128 01:46:34,600 --> 01:46:38,200 All right, so Adis can, and we were told that all the Princess 2129 01:46:38,200 --> 01:46:40,920 of Hell can, but we only see this with Adis, sneak through 2130 01:46:40,920 --> 01:46:44,160 cracks in worlds. So the quote we have for that is 2131 01:46:44,240 --> 01:46:46,440 Jessica told me that the Princess can sneak through 2132 01:46:46,440 --> 01:46:50,040 cracks in either rift, making the form of common animals, but 2133 01:46:50,040 --> 01:46:52,720 then they're confined to those forms with none of their own 2134 01:46:52,720 --> 01:46:56,520 power save the ability to speak, and they can only stay for a few 2135 01:46:56,520 --> 01:46:59,160 hours at a time. So it's Crescent City 1 chapter 2136 01:46:59,160 --> 01:47:01,200 51. So we're told this is all the 2137 01:47:01,200 --> 01:47:04,960 Princess, but we only see it from it is. 2138 01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:08,440 I also want to add here, they almost certainly learned how to 2139 01:47:08,440 --> 01:47:11,160 do this from the Asteri. The quote we have for that this 2140 01:47:11,160 --> 01:47:14,680 is from that Asteri timeline is a dark, cold world with mighty 2141 01:47:14,680 --> 01:47:17,280 creatures of night. They saw through our lures. 2142 01:47:17,320 --> 01:47:20,480 Once warring factions, the royal armies of hell united and 2143 01:47:20,480 --> 01:47:22,720 marched against us. We were overwhelmed and 2144 01:47:22,720 --> 01:47:24,880 abandoned their world, but they gave chase. 2145 01:47:25,120 --> 01:47:28,400 Learn from our captured Lieutenant how to slip between 2146 01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:31,480 the cracks and realms. This was an originally a steri 2147 01:47:31,480 --> 01:47:34,680 power that it seems like the Princess of hell not only 2148 01:47:34,680 --> 01:47:38,160 learned how to do, but can do. And I feel like we're just like 2149 01:47:38,160 --> 01:47:39,640 circling around this the whole episode. 2150 01:47:39,640 --> 01:47:42,040 Like there's a lot of fucking overlaps between these two 2151 01:47:42,040 --> 01:47:45,080 powers in both the way they are the same and like the way they 2152 01:47:45,080 --> 01:47:47,720 are opposite. So like she seems to be building 2153 01:47:47,720 --> 01:47:51,000 towards this idea of like we get we get it a lot like made and 2154 01:47:51,000 --> 01:47:53,320 unmade light and dark matter and antimatter. 2155 01:47:53,320 --> 01:47:55,960 Like these two are kind of at the opposite ends of the 2156 01:47:55,960 --> 01:47:59,560 spectrum. The and the Princess we also get 2157 01:47:59,560 --> 01:48:03,000 some tension reading think, which we don't really talk about 2158 01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:06,520 much in the mass first but has popped up as a power and other 2159 01:48:06,520 --> 01:48:10,560 series we've covered. So he says to Bryce when he's in 2160 01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:14,480 her apartment. We have what sort of cat visits 2161 01:48:14,480 --> 01:48:17,960 an Oracle winning first words. Ada slid his hands into his 2162 01:48:17,960 --> 01:48:20,760 pockets again. I did not know what you might 2163 01:48:20,760 --> 01:48:22,760 prefer. And now that you are grown. 2164 01:48:22,760 --> 01:48:27,120 So he either assumed, he either just assumed like a 13 year old 2165 01:48:27,120 --> 01:48:31,160 girl would want a talking cat as a friend, or he could like read 2166 01:48:31,160 --> 01:48:33,960 something about Bryce and say, oh, like you're going to want to 2167 01:48:33,960 --> 01:48:37,640 talk to a cat right now. And then we know he like kind of 2168 01:48:37,640 --> 01:48:39,920 senses her emotions. So the quote we have for that is 2169 01:48:40,240 --> 01:48:44,440 Atis. Atis Ada's tilted his head to 2170 01:48:44,440 --> 01:48:47,680 one side. You were very sad then as well. 2171 01:48:47,880 --> 01:48:51,400 So he knows when she's 13 that she was very sad, knows now 2172 01:48:51,400 --> 01:48:53,560 she's very sad about Danica, right. 2173 01:48:53,560 --> 01:48:57,280 So like, is he just an empath or can he actually like read her 2174 01:48:57,280 --> 01:49:00,680 feelings, read her emotions like some sort of I wouldn't call 2175 01:49:00,680 --> 01:49:03,240 even mind speaking or mind reading, but just like I can 2176 01:49:03,240 --> 01:49:06,600 sense your emotions type thing. I'm do everything I just said 2177 01:49:06,600 --> 01:49:08,640 because then we see him in a Polygon, have a wordless 2178 01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:10,160 conversation in the dungeon cell. 2179 01:49:10,320 --> 01:49:13,320 So we have the Princess of hell. This is when Adis and Napoleon 2180 01:49:13,320 --> 01:49:15,840 are hooked in shadow. The Princess of Hell looked at 2181 01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:18,440 each other, some wordless conversation passing between 2182 01:49:18,440 --> 01:49:20,120 them. Right, So wordless conversation 2183 01:49:20,120 --> 01:49:23,440 there and then. This I thought was really 2184 01:49:23,440 --> 01:49:26,360 interesting. He knows, seems to know, that 2185 01:49:26,360 --> 01:49:28,000 the Asteria are planning to kill. 2186 01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:29,800 Run. This is again in the dungeon. 2187 01:49:29,840 --> 01:49:32,200 Fragilis has come and said one of your companions is going to 2188 01:49:32,200 --> 01:49:34,280 be killed tomorrow. He somehow knows that it's 2189 01:49:34,280 --> 01:49:35,720 ruined. So the quote is I am sorry that 2190 01:49:35,720 --> 01:49:37,360 one of your companions will die tomorrow. 2191 01:49:37,360 --> 01:49:38,640 Fuck, Hun. Said Horsley. 2192 01:49:38,680 --> 01:49:41,360 The idea who they've picked. Atis angled his head, more 2193 01:49:41,360 --> 01:49:44,560 feline than princely, like he could hear things that Hunt 2194 01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:46,320 couldn't. And then he says it's going to 2195 01:49:46,320 --> 01:49:49,280 be ruined because ruin matters more to both you and Bryce. 2196 01:49:49,280 --> 01:49:52,600 So like is he mind reading here? Is he listening to thoughts? 2197 01:49:52,600 --> 01:49:55,600 Like I mean Apollyon later says to Hunt right? 2198 01:49:55,600 --> 01:49:57,920 Like your, your thoughts are broadcast to me right? 2199 01:49:57,920 --> 01:49:59,920 So it's really not that crazy think. 2200 01:49:59,920 --> 01:50:04,560 What's a little more interesting is what he cannot do or what I 2201 01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:08,000 don't have proof that he can do, which is shadow wielding right? 2202 01:50:08,200 --> 01:50:12,200 So the first time that Hunt sees Aidus in the dungeon, he's in a 2203 01:50:12,200 --> 01:50:15,200 shadow, he's with Apollyon. So the quote for that is a 2204 01:50:15,200 --> 01:50:19,000 Polygon appeared again, a second shadow at his side, taller and 2205 01:50:19,000 --> 01:50:20,680 thinner, with eyes like blue opals. 2206 01:50:20,720 --> 01:50:23,320 Where is Bryce? His the Prince of the Chasm, 2207 01:50:23,440 --> 01:50:24,960 which is Atis. I guess we should have mentioned 2208 01:50:24,960 --> 01:50:26,480 that Atis is the Prince of the chasm. 2209 01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:31,600 But the second time, the second time Atis appears, he's on his 2210 01:50:31,600 --> 01:50:33,840 own. Napoleon is not there, and he's 2211 01:50:33,840 --> 01:50:37,560 a cat again, right? So we have Orion Atis's voice 2212 01:50:37,560 --> 01:50:39,920 sounded in his head in the chamber. 2213 01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:41,400 It's pretty. They're mind speaking right 2214 01:50:41,400 --> 01:50:43,240 there, right? Also, if he's a cat, how is he 2215 01:50:43,240 --> 01:50:45,520 talking to any of these people? I think it's got to be mind 2216 01:50:45,520 --> 01:50:47,960 speaking. All right, Orion Atis's voice 2217 01:50:47,960 --> 01:50:49,640 sounded in his head in the chamber. 2218 01:50:49,840 --> 01:50:53,520 A cat with eyes like blue opals crouched on the floor amid the 2219 01:50:53,520 --> 01:50:56,560 blood and waste the same form rigeless had used to deceive 2220 01:50:56,560 --> 01:50:58,760 hunt months ago, right. So I think it's really 2221 01:50:58,760 --> 01:51:02,000 interesting that the second time he comes back, he's not coming 2222 01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:04,520 back as a shadow. He's coming back as a cat right 2223 01:51:04,520 --> 01:51:06,920 and I think obviously the reason that this is interesting is 2224 01:51:06,920 --> 01:51:10,640 because if hypothesize that the shadow wielding ability of the 2225 01:51:10,640 --> 01:51:14,000 starborn line might actually be from Atis, but I don't know that 2226 01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:16,520 he has that power. I don't know that it can come 2227 01:51:16,520 --> 01:51:19,240 from him. So the other thing that I think 2228 01:51:19,240 --> 01:51:22,960 is interesting is that we, he cannot win a we like actually 2229 01:51:22,960 --> 01:51:25,840 have confirmation of this because in the final battle 2230 01:51:25,840 --> 01:51:28,800 against the Osteria we get Adis unsheathed us. 2231 01:51:29,720 --> 01:51:33,320 This is a tongue twister, it is unsheathed a shining silver 2232 01:51:33,320 --> 01:51:36,560 blade that seemed to glow with bluish light by turn. 2233 01:51:36,560 --> 01:51:39,760 The demon Prince said, the dry breeze whipping his pale blonde 2234 01:51:39,760 --> 01:51:41,760 hair. He asked Bryce a ride. 2235 01:51:41,840 --> 01:51:44,480 Hunt had only a moment to glimpse the worry, the fear in 2236 01:51:44,480 --> 01:51:47,960 her eyes as she grabbed Adis's hand, then Hunts and teleported 2237 01:51:47,960 --> 01:51:50,080 them with the power of Thea Star. 2238 01:51:50,080 --> 01:51:52,680 It barely took a moment, barely seemed to dream her. 2239 01:51:52,680 --> 01:51:56,200 So as Crescent City 3 chapter 90, so Adis can't widow on his 2240 01:51:56,200 --> 01:51:59,720 own, he's asking Bryce to winnow him right, Which I we had 2241 01:52:00,240 --> 01:52:03,200 speculated in the starborn Faye episode that that is actually in 2242 01:52:03,200 --> 01:52:06,680 a Steri, a world walking power. I think that's confirmation here 2243 01:52:06,680 --> 01:52:09,440 and again, we get that the Princess of hell can slip 2244 01:52:09,440 --> 01:52:11,840 through the cracks in the realms, but not that they can 2245 01:52:11,840 --> 01:52:14,760 like open portals themselves. So I just think that lines up 2246 01:52:14,760 --> 01:52:16,480 with. Yeah, then they just would. 2247 01:52:17,080 --> 01:52:18,840 Yeah, if they can world walk, they wouldn't need it. 2248 01:52:18,880 --> 01:52:20,080 They wouldn't need the horn, Yeah. 2249 01:52:20,480 --> 01:52:23,480 So I'm not sure on shadows and definite no on the winnowing 2250 01:52:23,800 --> 01:52:25,640 everything else probably Dame Audi. 2251 01:52:25,640 --> 01:52:31,240 I think I'm with you on not sure on shadows because rune we we 2252 01:52:31,240 --> 01:52:34,960 get the direct comp of rune cloaking Lydia as well as they 2253 01:52:34,960 --> 01:52:37,920 move through the and. Azrael, Quoks, Cloks, Pharaoh in 2254 01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:41,240 the king of hybrid camp. We already know for sure that 2255 01:52:41,240 --> 01:52:44,560 shadow walking is not only something that you to yourself 2256 01:52:44,560 --> 01:52:47,280 like you can also do it to others if you can't do it at 2257 01:52:47,280 --> 01:52:50,360 all. So I agree with you exactly. 2258 01:52:50,480 --> 01:52:53,160 Yeah. Anything else on? 2259 01:52:53,360 --> 01:52:55,200 Aid assist. I mean, you did mention, but I 2260 01:52:55,200 --> 01:52:57,000 think it's just worth mentioning. 2261 01:52:57,000 --> 01:53:00,240 Like he is the Prince of the fifth level of hell, which is 2262 01:53:00,240 --> 01:53:04,400 the Prince of the Chasm, and it's not really a power. 2263 01:53:04,400 --> 01:53:09,160 But I do want to talk about his raw form because his humanoid 2264 01:53:09,160 --> 01:53:13,160 form we know very well, which is, you know, he's blonde, blue 2265 01:53:13,160 --> 01:53:16,480 eyed baby pretty boy, I think is the exact description. 2266 01:53:16,480 --> 01:53:18,040 Slender, pale skinned, pretty boy. 2267 01:53:18,360 --> 01:53:22,960 Thank you, Hunt. But his true form, right, the 2268 01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:24,960 Princess are all kind of described this way, at least the 2269 01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:28,080 ones that we see. Creatures of darkness and decay, 2270 01:53:28,080 --> 01:53:31,800 mouths full of sharp teeth, leathery wings displayed like 2271 01:53:31,800 --> 01:53:35,440 the Princess themselves in their true form have leathery wings, 2272 01:53:35,440 --> 01:53:38,760 including Adis, which is which is interesting. 2273 01:53:38,760 --> 01:53:40,800 Yeah. I'd also like to nominate him. 2274 01:53:41,280 --> 01:53:43,920 I know that it's not exact, but I'd like to nominate Adis as 2275 01:53:43,920 --> 01:53:46,160 someone to add to the camp of blue eyes that glow. 2276 01:53:46,160 --> 01:53:48,760 I know that they're lighter, they're more Opal than sapphire, 2277 01:53:48,760 --> 01:53:52,240 but in hell they are literally described AS2 blue lights as 2278 01:53:52,240 --> 01:53:54,600 they're approaching. Like not even eyes, they're 2 2279 01:53:54,600 --> 01:53:58,720 blue lights. And like that is it's like very 2280 01:53:58,720 --> 01:54:03,400 consistent even when he is in in his shadow form in his true 2281 01:54:03,400 --> 01:54:05,800 form. So I just, I think it's 2282 01:54:05,800 --> 01:54:10,040 interesting, that's all. I agree it's a big, big episode 2283 01:54:10,040 --> 01:54:10,960 of. I think it's interesting. 2284 01:54:10,960 --> 01:54:13,040 That's kind of hell for you. I think it's interesting, 2285 01:54:14,080 --> 01:54:15,680 interesting place sounds. Lovely. 2286 01:54:15,840 --> 01:54:17,600 All right, next question, Ronnie. 2287 01:54:17,600 --> 01:54:21,040 What does Ada's know about Prythian and when did he find 2288 01:54:21,040 --> 01:54:23,000 out? OK, we're almost done guys. 2289 01:54:23,000 --> 01:54:26,000 I promise. During Celine's recounting of 2290 01:54:26,000 --> 01:54:30,320 hers and Thea's and like her family's life at the beginning 2291 01:54:30,320 --> 01:54:34,560 of House and Flame and Shadow, she describes Ada's alleged 2292 01:54:34,560 --> 01:54:39,640 first words to Thea says, have you come to ask for Hell's help 2293 01:54:39,640 --> 01:54:42,520 then? And those are not first time 2294 01:54:42,520 --> 01:54:45,320 words with no familiarity, so let's discuss those. 2295 01:54:45,320 --> 01:54:47,760 So context for that quotes House, Flame, and Shadow Chapter 2296 01:54:47,760 --> 01:54:52,000 20 My mother had kept the star map that the Daglin had long ago 2297 01:54:52,000 --> 01:54:55,880 annotated, and a world on it had caught her attention, a world 2298 01:54:55,880 --> 01:54:58,120 like ours that had overthrown the Daglin. 2299 01:54:58,120 --> 01:55:00,800 In an elaborate bedroom, standing before a desk with her 2300 01:55:00,800 --> 01:55:04,240 two daughters, Thea waved a hand as if she pulled them from that 2301 01:55:04,240 --> 01:55:06,560 pocket of nothingness. The harp and the horn appeared 2302 01:55:06,560 --> 01:55:09,000 on the desk, glimmering alongside the star sword and the 2303 01:55:09,000 --> 01:55:11,040 knife. They had nodded once, slowly, as 2304 01:55:11,040 --> 01:55:13,080 if making a decision. So she's been thinking about 2305 01:55:13,080 --> 01:55:15,160 this and then played the horn in the harp. 2306 01:55:15,200 --> 01:55:19,040 A portal between worlds swirled. It's solidified an archway to 2307 01:55:19,040 --> 01:55:20,800 nowhere. A handsome golden haired male 2308 01:55:20,800 --> 01:55:23,600 stood before it with eyes like blue opals. 2309 01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:26,400 Bryson Hale sharply. Prince Adus only asked my mother 2310 01:55:26,400 --> 01:55:28,240 one thing when she opened the gate to his world. 2311 01:55:28,520 --> 01:55:30,800 Have you come to ask for Hell's help then? 2312 01:55:31,480 --> 01:55:34,960 So the way Selena's describing this story is like Thea had been 2313 01:55:34,960 --> 01:55:37,520 researching, Thea's aware of this world, it caught her 2314 01:55:37,520 --> 01:55:39,640 attention. She, after a long time, decided 2315 01:55:39,640 --> 01:55:42,200 to reach out to them. But like, she knew exactly who 2316 01:55:42,200 --> 01:55:44,360 to call. She knew which world to access. 2317 01:55:44,360 --> 01:55:47,320 She knew how to access it. This does not seem, at least to 2318 01:55:47,320 --> 01:55:50,680 me, like it was a first time encounter, despite what Celine 2319 01:55:50,680 --> 01:55:53,600 may have described in the subsequent texts about Atis and 2320 01:55:53,600 --> 01:55:56,480 her mother kind of developing a connection over the coming 2321 01:55:56,480 --> 01:55:58,520 months. But I think we get an important 2322 01:55:58,520 --> 01:56:01,800 hint from her in that story that she tells immediate after 2323 01:56:01,800 --> 01:56:05,160 immediately after, and that is that he had been tracking the 2324 01:56:05,160 --> 01:56:08,640 Asteri conquest since they failed to conquer Hell. 2325 01:56:08,640 --> 01:56:10,600 Celine says Adis is the Prince of Hell, blah blah blah. 2326 01:56:10,840 --> 01:56:13,200 Using rare summer insults to facilitated communication 2327 01:56:13,200 --> 01:56:15,600 between worlds, spies and Midgard had kept him well 2328 01:56:15,600 --> 01:56:18,360 informed since the Asteri had failed to conquer his planet. 2329 01:56:18,360 --> 01:56:21,160 Adis had been assigned to hunt for the Asteri ever since. 2330 01:56:21,160 --> 01:56:25,440 So that they're evil might never triumph again on his world or 2331 01:56:25,440 --> 01:56:27,120 any other. So let's go back to the timeline 2332 01:56:27,120 --> 01:56:29,840 to figure out what the fuck was going on here, because spoiler 2333 01:56:29,840 --> 01:56:31,680 alert, it does not really make sense. 2334 01:56:33,240 --> 01:56:41,200 How's this kind breath? Chapter 72 Hell lost AE17001 2335 01:56:41,600 --> 01:56:44,560 Yeah, once warring factions, the royal armies of Hell united 2336 01:56:44,560 --> 01:56:46,440 marched against as we were overwhelmed, abandoned their 2337 01:56:46,440 --> 01:56:47,800 world. But they gave chase. 2338 01:56:47,800 --> 01:56:50,720 Sure. So this is again in the Asteria 2339 01:56:50,720 --> 01:56:55,680 Archives in Dusk we learn that they lost hell in 17001, they 2340 01:56:55,680 --> 01:57:02,600 found us on Midgard in 17002 and this they are calling Adis in 2341 01:57:02,600 --> 01:57:06,520 that moment was supposedly from Midgard after she learned shit. 2342 01:57:06,720 --> 01:57:09,920 We actually just walked into this world in which the Asteria 2343 01:57:09,920 --> 01:57:13,120 are actually in power. So and then and then we learn we 2344 01:57:13,120 --> 01:57:16,600 lost a third of our meals to them or lasted until nearly the 2345 01:57:16,600 --> 01:57:22,600 end of 17003. So if this timeline is all that 2346 01:57:22,600 --> 01:57:27,000 there is to ponder, then we only have two years of Adis keeping 2347 01:57:27,000 --> 01:57:32,040 tabs on the Asteria, right? Which doesn't leave tons of room 2348 01:57:32,040 --> 01:57:35,560 for Thea and Adis to get familiar with each other. 2349 01:57:35,560 --> 01:57:40,400 So until nearly the end of 17003 they were defeated and sent back 2350 01:57:40,400 --> 01:57:42,080 to hell. Far too dangerous to allow them 2351 01:57:42,080 --> 01:57:44,760 to access this world again. So this should imply that Adas 2352 01:57:44,760 --> 01:57:47,880 had been hunting for the Asteri for only two years before the 2353 01:57:47,880 --> 01:57:51,600 end of the first wars, where they were kicked out via the 2354 01:57:51,600 --> 01:57:54,400 rift. Before this though, on Prythean, 2355 01:57:54,480 --> 01:57:58,880 Thea and Theon ruled for centuries, says centuries, and 2356 01:57:58,880 --> 01:58:02,400 the Daglin had been there for millennia before that. 2357 01:58:02,400 --> 01:58:06,320 So according to this right, like according to that timeline, Edis 2358 01:58:06,320 --> 01:58:09,600 would should not have been watching over Perthian since 2359 01:58:09,600 --> 01:58:12,280 hell was conquered during that time because hell was conquered 2360 01:58:12,280 --> 01:58:15,080 in like 2 years before the 1st wars ended. 2361 01:58:16,000 --> 01:58:18,680 And so just for evidence of the centuries quote. 2362 01:58:18,920 --> 01:58:21,640 And with the Daglin gone, as the centuries passed, as the tide 2363 01:58:21,640 --> 01:58:24,280 was no longer demanded of us or the land, our power 2364 01:58:24,280 --> 01:58:26,480 strengthened, the land strengthened, it returned to 2365 01:58:26,480 --> 01:58:29,600 what it had been before the Daglins arrival millennia 2366 01:58:29,720 --> 01:58:31,720 before. But I think we do have reason to 2367 01:58:31,720 --> 01:58:36,040 believe that Hell and Edis potentially were involved and 2368 01:58:36,040 --> 01:58:38,240 aware of Prithean before this, and This is why. 2369 01:58:38,240 --> 01:58:40,560 And we've talked about this a little bit, but I'll keep it 2370 01:58:40,560 --> 01:58:43,080 snappy. But first we we know that they 2371 01:58:43,080 --> 01:58:45,440 didn't have children for centuries with Vien, and then 2372 01:58:45,440 --> 01:58:47,720 she suddenly did, right? That, combined with the 2373 01:58:47,720 --> 01:58:51,120 familiarity with which Edis greeted her and the shadowy 2374 01:58:51,120 --> 01:58:55,080 Damani powers of her offspring make a pretty strong case that 2375 01:58:55,080 --> 01:58:57,200 she and Edis did know each other. 2376 01:58:57,280 --> 01:59:00,800 Or like, could have been meeting in secret and potentially bore 2377 01:59:00,800 --> 01:59:03,600 Celina and Helena, potentially. That's all theoretical. 2378 01:59:03,600 --> 01:59:07,360 It would also kind of explain how she so easily killed BM if 2379 01:59:07,360 --> 01:59:10,160 she like, knew that she loved somebody else. 2380 01:59:11,320 --> 01:59:13,880 And that quote is after centuries with an empty womb, My 2381 01:59:13,880 --> 01:59:17,760 mother bore both my sister and me within a span of five years. 2382 01:59:17,760 --> 01:59:20,600 My father was fading by then. He was centuries older than my 2383 01:59:20,600 --> 01:59:23,160 mother. Second, while Celine doesn't go 2384 01:59:23,160 --> 01:59:27,400 into detail, she says that her parents told her that they use 2385 01:59:27,400 --> 01:59:30,560 the trove and the Cauldron, the Dagwan's own weapons, right to 2386 01:59:30,560 --> 01:59:32,920 fight the Dagwan. And when that's all she says, 2387 01:59:33,000 --> 01:59:35,280 she doesn't say much, but she says they fought the Daglin and 2388 01:59:35,280 --> 01:59:37,080 won. She went on using the Daglin's 2389 01:59:37,080 --> 01:59:38,840 own weapons. They destroyed them. 2390 01:59:38,840 --> 01:59:40,440 So what would that actually entail, right? 2391 01:59:40,440 --> 01:59:42,800 You would wear the mask and you would have an army of the dead. 2392 01:59:43,120 --> 01:59:46,160 You would have the crown and you would control anyone, but not 2393 01:59:46,160 --> 01:59:50,960 made people so not be a steri. And then you would have the horn 2394 01:59:50,960 --> 01:59:54,360 and the harp to open up to another world. 2395 01:59:55,760 --> 01:59:58,200 That's like what the horn and the harp do if you're using the 2396 01:59:58,240 --> 02:00:00,280 nag one's own weapons, like what are you doing? 2397 02:00:00,280 --> 02:00:02,640 This also would work, right? Because they talk about the 2398 02:00:02,640 --> 02:00:05,560 cauldron and we have this is a plug for our cauldron episode. 2399 02:00:05,720 --> 02:00:08,720 The cauldron has tons of hell influence. 2400 02:00:09,120 --> 02:00:11,680 If they were fucking with the cauldron and using the cauldron 2401 02:00:11,960 --> 02:00:15,800 and they were in league with hell, is that how the cauldron 2402 02:00:15,800 --> 02:00:18,080 ended up so helly? But this is the damning, the 2403 02:00:18,080 --> 02:00:20,560 damning point, right? Third, and a court of silver 2404 02:00:20,560 --> 02:00:24,600 flames, Emery tells us. Of a key battle about ancient 2405 02:00:24,600 --> 02:00:27,400 beings who oppressed the fae, in which Annalius held the pass 2406 02:00:27,400 --> 02:00:30,720 until allies came right long ago. 2407 02:00:30,760 --> 02:00:34,040 So long ago they don't even have a precise state for it. 2408 02:00:34,640 --> 02:00:37,440 The Great War was fought between the fae and the ancient beings 2409 02:00:37,440 --> 02:00:39,680 who oppressed them. One of its key battles was here 2410 02:00:39,680 --> 02:00:41,960 in these mountains. Our forces were battered and 2411 02:00:41,960 --> 02:00:44,720 outnumbered and for some reason the enemy was desperate to reach 2412 02:00:44,720 --> 02:00:47,640 the stone at the top of Ramiel. We were never taught the reason 2413 02:00:47,640 --> 02:00:50,040 why, I think it's been forgotten, but a young Illyrian 2414 02:00:50,040 --> 02:00:53,480 warrior named Anaulius, who we know was living at the time of 2415 02:00:53,480 --> 02:00:56,120 Vesperus, right because she mentions him as a traitor, held 2416 02:00:56,120 --> 02:00:58,200 the line against the enemy soldiers for days. 2417 02:00:58,200 --> 02:00:59,960 He found a natural archway of stone. 2418 02:01:00,200 --> 02:01:03,440 Natural archway which has been connected to portals amongst the 2419 02:01:03,440 --> 02:01:06,280 tangle of boulders and made that his bottleneck. 2420 02:01:06,320 --> 02:01:10,120 He died in the end, but he held off the enemy enough for allies 2421 02:01:10,120 --> 02:01:13,440 to reach us. We all know that this was a 2422 02:01:13,440 --> 02:01:16,320 battle against the Asteria, and Bespherus knows that Annelius 2423 02:01:16,320 --> 02:01:17,520 was a traitor. So who? 2424 02:01:17,560 --> 02:01:19,680 Like who were these allies? We've talked about this before 2425 02:01:19,680 --> 02:01:21,520 right? It feels like it would be hell. 2426 02:01:21,800 --> 02:01:24,760 So none of this holds up with Adis has been tracking the 2427 02:01:24,760 --> 02:01:26,600 Asteria since they threw them out of hell. 2428 02:01:26,600 --> 02:01:28,600 Because that was supposed to only have happened 2 years 2429 02:01:28,600 --> 02:01:32,400 before the 1st wars ended. But if all of that is true, like 2430 02:01:32,400 --> 02:01:35,440 I think that we have a lot of reason to believe that Hell was 2431 02:01:35,440 --> 02:01:39,560 interfering with the Daglin's presence in Prythian, which was 2432 02:01:39,560 --> 02:01:43,840 millennia before that. So I think that hell, even if it 2433 02:01:43,840 --> 02:01:46,520 wasn't Ada's exactly, but Ada seems to be ageless. 2434 02:01:46,520 --> 02:01:48,360 The Princess of Hell seem to be ageless. 2435 02:01:48,360 --> 02:01:51,960 Like, could they have learned things about the Daglin in that 2436 02:01:52,000 --> 02:01:54,400 battle? Could they have been the allies 2437 02:01:54,400 --> 02:01:57,080 to Prythian? And like, could he have met Thea 2438 02:01:57,080 --> 02:01:59,120 then? Because like, Thea was the 2439 02:01:59,120 --> 02:02:00,880 ringleader. Thea and beyond were the 2440 02:02:00,880 --> 02:02:04,880 ringleaders of overgrowing the Daglin at that time, and they 2441 02:02:04,880 --> 02:02:06,960 did not do it alone. We know that they didn't do it 2442 02:02:06,960 --> 02:02:10,480 alone. That's very theoretical, but I'm 2443 02:02:10,480 --> 02:02:11,440 curious what you have. Yeah. 2444 02:02:11,960 --> 02:02:13,800 I talked about this in our reread episode. 2445 02:02:13,800 --> 02:02:17,680 So first thing, we know that it's 5000 years that the Daglin 2446 02:02:17,720 --> 02:02:19,360 ruled. We have the quote we were slaves 2447 02:02:19,360 --> 02:02:22,800 to the Daglin for 5000 years. Our people, the High Faye knelt 2448 02:02:22,800 --> 02:02:24,840 before them. That's in Crescent City 3 2449 02:02:24,840 --> 02:02:27,160 chapter 18 with Celine's Ted talk. 2450 02:02:27,200 --> 02:02:31,440 So the rough timeline that we should have here I put together 2451 02:02:31,440 --> 02:02:35,680 assuming a AE is a calendar year, the way it is here on 2452 02:02:35,680 --> 02:02:38,760 Earth, which I don't know, we can confirm that, but basically 2453 02:02:38,760 --> 02:02:46,040 around 11,500 AE Steri conquer Midgard, then around 16,500 AE 2454 02:02:46,320 --> 02:02:50,120 steri loss Midgard. And then I'm saying I'm guessing 2455 02:02:50,120 --> 02:02:53,760 a couple centuries means I'm just guessing 450 years. 2456 02:02:53,760 --> 02:02:56,120 I don't know that's that's like a total guess. 2457 02:02:56,160 --> 02:03:00,520 But around 16,950 AE Thea overthrows Fion. 2458 02:03:00,720 --> 02:03:03,840 We know her rule is short, short, don't know how short, but 2459 02:03:03,840 --> 02:03:06,280 we know her rule is short. So I guess that that was around 2460 02:03:06,280 --> 02:03:11,480 50 years, right? So then in basically 17,000 AE 2461 02:03:11,640 --> 02:03:15,760 is when they go over to Midgard. So we have what you just said 2462 02:03:15,760 --> 02:03:19,760 17,001. So basically 16 thousand 16,500 2463 02:03:19,760 --> 02:03:22,400 a steri loose Midgard, they make their way to hell. 2464 02:03:22,480 --> 02:03:24,520 There are also different groups of a steri. 2465 02:03:24,600 --> 02:03:27,200 Rajalis tells us that that there are different groups of a steri 2466 02:03:27,200 --> 02:03:29,240 throughout the land. So it does not have to be like 1 2467 02:03:29,240 --> 02:03:30,680 going to the other going to the other. 2468 02:03:30,680 --> 02:03:37,160 Like it could be overlapping should not necessarily work. 2469 02:03:37,640 --> 02:03:40,720 The timeline still should not necessarily work if it's linear, 2470 02:03:40,720 --> 02:03:42,240 right? Because the Asteria should have 2471 02:03:42,240 --> 02:03:45,720 lost toll on 17,000 and one AE and the Asteria should have been 2472 02:03:45,720 --> 02:03:49,400 on Midgard way but 5000 years before that basically, right? 2473 02:03:49,400 --> 02:03:51,400 Like if not more it shouldn't work. 2474 02:03:51,520 --> 02:03:55,320 But we talked about this in our reviewed episode We Debt. 2475 02:03:55,320 --> 02:03:58,120 We have a concrete piece of evidence that breaks all that, 2476 02:03:58,120 --> 02:04:01,840 which is the Esteri star map that Thea brings over from 2477 02:04:01,840 --> 02:04:04,360 Prythian, right? So the quote we have for that is 2478 02:04:04,600 --> 02:04:08,160 my mother had kept the star map that the Daglin had long ago 2479 02:04:08,160 --> 02:04:12,040 annotated, and a world on it had caught her attention, a world 2480 02:04:12,040 --> 02:04:15,120 like ours that had overthrown the Daglin. 2481 02:04:15,280 --> 02:04:18,000 We're not specifically told that this is how, but then she goes 2482 02:04:18,000 --> 02:04:20,400 and opens the portal to talk to Adis, right? 2483 02:04:20,400 --> 02:04:24,480 So I'm assuming that it's a fair call that I'm assuming that this 2484 02:04:24,480 --> 02:04:27,280 star map came over with them from Prithian because we're told 2485 02:04:27,280 --> 02:04:28,680 they brought star maps with them. 2486 02:04:28,680 --> 02:04:32,960 I'm doubt the Asteria are just giving or just giving the well. 2487 02:04:32,960 --> 02:04:34,360 Maybe they had spies, I don't know. 2488 02:04:34,360 --> 02:04:36,960 But basically the way it's worded, I'm assuming this is a 2489 02:04:36,960 --> 02:04:40,320 star map from Prithian and that hell is on there because Bryce 2490 02:04:40,320 --> 02:04:42,640 calls out that there must have been a stereo archives on 2491 02:04:42,640 --> 02:04:44,480 Prithian, right? Like that feels like important 2492 02:04:44,480 --> 02:04:46,760 information that's going to come back later. 2493 02:04:46,800 --> 02:04:49,000 There's also one other interesting piece of key 2494 02:04:49,000 --> 02:04:51,400 information here that has. I don't know what to make of it. 2495 02:04:51,400 --> 02:04:53,560 Vesperous has never heard of Hell, right? 2496 02:04:53,840 --> 02:04:57,000 The quote we have is what manner of creature is this Apollyon? 2497 02:04:57,240 --> 02:04:59,720 We call them demons, but you probably know them by some other 2498 02:04:59,720 --> 02:05:01,640 name. Your kind tried to invade their 2499 02:05:01,640 --> 02:05:03,920 world. Hell, it didn't go well for you. 2500 02:05:04,000 --> 02:05:07,600 Hell and this Apollyon shall pay for such sacrilege. 2501 02:05:07,600 --> 02:05:09,680 Vesperous hits. So she's never heard of hell. 2502 02:05:09,800 --> 02:05:13,160 There is a possibility that that is because the planet is not 2503 02:05:13,160 --> 02:05:16,400 actually called hell because Bryce later has a quote that 2504 02:05:16,400 --> 02:05:18,920 says we call them demons, but you might know them by another 2505 02:05:18,920 --> 02:05:20,200 name. So it's possible that they have 2506 02:05:20,200 --> 02:05:23,320 another name for hell or the timeline we've been given is 2507 02:05:23,320 --> 02:05:26,520 true when the and hell on the star map is an oopsie. 2508 02:05:26,600 --> 02:05:27,880 None of this makes sense. I don't know. 2509 02:05:28,640 --> 02:05:30,960 I hate for that to be the answer but like, I don't know. 2510 02:05:31,440 --> 02:05:35,120 Yeah, I guess she does explicitly say that it was a DAG 2511 02:05:35,120 --> 02:05:39,720 one that had annotated it. So I think there are some other 2512 02:05:39,720 --> 02:05:42,240 options here too and other things to look at. 2513 02:05:42,360 --> 02:05:45,360 And I just want to the question was, what does Adis know about 2514 02:05:45,480 --> 02:05:46,600 Prithian and when did he know it? 2515 02:05:46,600 --> 02:05:47,680 Right? That was the question. 2516 02:05:47,680 --> 02:05:49,880 So a couple of things. He definitely knows about 2517 02:05:49,880 --> 02:05:52,160 Prithian. He definitely knows about the 2518 02:05:52,160 --> 02:05:54,360 knife and the sword. And he knew that the dagger was 2519 02:05:54,360 --> 02:05:56,480 on Prithian. Like he knows that Prithian has 2520 02:05:56,480 --> 02:05:59,680 exists and he he has known that it existed for a long time, 2521 02:06:00,120 --> 02:06:01,960 right? So he knows it exists. 2522 02:06:02,000 --> 02:06:04,800 The quote we have for that Celine had this with her when 2523 02:06:04,800 --> 02:06:07,480 she returned to her homeworld. And now I've brought it back to 2524 02:06:07,600 --> 02:06:10,160 Midgard. Adis started at the site of the 2525 02:06:10,160 --> 02:06:12,720 dagger, right? So he is like shocked that Bryce 2526 02:06:12,720 --> 02:06:15,960 was able to go to mid Prithian, even though he had speculated 2527 02:06:15,960 --> 02:06:17,360 that maybe she would be on Prithian. 2528 02:06:17,360 --> 02:06:20,680 Like he's shocked. So he knows something there. 2529 02:06:20,800 --> 02:06:25,200 We are also told that Prithian, Midgard and hell, I'll run atop 2530 02:06:25,280 --> 02:06:27,440 late lines, right? So we have there are Ley lines 2531 02:06:27,440 --> 02:06:30,320 across the whole of the universe and the planets like Midgard, 2532 02:06:30,320 --> 02:06:33,200 like hell, like the whole world of the Fey top. 2533 02:06:33,200 --> 02:06:36,360 Those lines are joined by time and space and the void itself. 2534 02:06:36,360 --> 02:06:38,800 It thins the veils separating us right? 2535 02:06:38,800 --> 02:06:42,920 So timeline does seem fucked and doesn't really seem to matter. 2536 02:06:42,920 --> 02:06:45,720 But even if you took the Asteria out of the equation, what we're 2537 02:06:45,720 --> 02:06:49,120 told with these Ley lines is that potentially like Hell and 2538 02:06:49,120 --> 02:06:53,320 Prissian could be in contact anyway if Hell knew how to do it 2539 02:06:53,320 --> 02:06:55,960 right. I guess just like my only 2540 02:06:55,960 --> 02:06:59,360 question there and it's not great, but like as soon as as 2541 02:06:59,360 --> 02:07:02,440 soon as Ada's thought, as soon as Ada's realized that Bryce 2542 02:07:02,480 --> 02:07:05,920 didn't make it to hell and thought she might be there. 2543 02:07:05,920 --> 02:07:09,280 Like he didn't go, he didn't try and reach her and she was in and 2544 02:07:09,320 --> 02:07:13,160 play her. I hate to say it, given all the 2545 02:07:13,160 --> 02:07:15,880 theories we've had, but I think it's totally possible. 2546 02:07:15,880 --> 02:07:17,560 Ada's had nothing to do with Brethian. 2547 02:07:17,760 --> 02:07:21,120 I do think that's possible. Like it's totally possible. 2548 02:07:21,480 --> 02:07:27,560 I don't know, but I think what's important now that Prithian now 2549 02:07:27,560 --> 02:07:31,520 definitely knows about Aidis and Hell because when Bryce comes to 2550 02:07:31,520 --> 02:07:34,400 Prithian she starts screaming about Aidis and Apollyon and 2551 02:07:34,400 --> 02:07:36,880 how. So either way, I feel like we're 2552 02:07:36,880 --> 02:07:41,000 getting set up for a Prithian Hell storyline. 2553 02:07:42,160 --> 02:07:45,680 I just don't know. I just don't know how much Aidis 2554 02:07:45,680 --> 02:07:48,360 has been involved up till now. No. 2555 02:07:48,800 --> 02:07:50,000 All right. Anything else there? 2556 02:07:50,640 --> 02:07:52,600 All right. Throne of Glass omissions. 2557 02:07:52,600 --> 02:07:54,880 Do you have any? Spoiler, spoiler spoiler. 2558 02:07:55,200 --> 02:08:01,520 Oh yeah, all right guys, that is the end of our Crescent City and 2559 02:08:01,520 --> 02:08:04,760 Acatar section that we are now going to do a brief section on 2560 02:08:04,760 --> 02:08:06,840 Throne of Glass spoilers. So if you don't want to get 2561 02:08:06,840 --> 02:08:08,840 spoiled, we recommend leaving now. 2562 02:08:08,840 --> 02:08:11,240 Or you can just skip this chapter and go straight to our 2563 02:08:11,240 --> 02:08:13,160 precog because it shouldn't be too. 2564 02:08:13,160 --> 02:08:16,400 I don't think I precog too long. Yeah, my preroggs don't have 2565 02:08:17,240 --> 02:08:19,600 Throne of Glass spoilers. My precog does not have Throne 2566 02:08:19,600 --> 02:08:23,880 of Glass spoilers either, so if you have not read every book in 2567 02:08:23,880 --> 02:08:26,360 Throne of Glass, just fair warning, you might be spoiled 2568 02:08:26,360 --> 02:08:28,600 for the next however many minutes we talked about Throne 2569 02:08:28,600 --> 02:08:30,800 of Glass. So, Ronnie, any Throne of Glass 2570 02:08:30,800 --> 02:08:33,240 emissions? OK, I'm going to I'm going to 2571 02:08:33,240 --> 02:08:38,440 save my Valgan hell tirade for the next episode just because 2572 02:08:38,560 --> 02:08:40,160 this episode was getting quite long. 2573 02:08:40,720 --> 02:08:45,600 So I just have, I'm, I'm going to keep it to two brief ones 2574 02:08:45,680 --> 02:08:49,640 here that are like specifically pertinent to this episode. 2575 02:08:50,200 --> 02:08:55,600 The 1st is just that the Crystallis venom removal sounded 2576 02:08:55,600 --> 02:09:01,720 remarkably similar to Irene's removal of Kale's valg injuries. 2577 02:09:02,240 --> 02:09:05,720 Like a basically mini version of it in the House of Earth and 2578 02:09:05,720 --> 02:09:10,600 Blood chapter 61. And Kale goes like deep into his 2579 02:09:11,120 --> 02:09:14,120 psyche and like memories and goes through all these like 2580 02:09:14,120 --> 02:09:15,920 dark, dark, dark memories, right? 2581 02:09:15,920 --> 02:09:19,120 And so his is definitely more mental and deep rooted. 2582 02:09:19,120 --> 02:09:22,600 I mean, he's fucking paralyzed. So like that just is deeper. 2583 02:09:22,600 --> 02:09:27,120 But I like, I can't quite get the parallel imagery out of my 2584 02:09:27,120 --> 02:09:32,720 head of Bryce having like the experience of like acid. 2585 02:09:33,120 --> 02:09:36,000 Her skin was sizzling, bones melting away, like she can 2586 02:09:36,000 --> 02:09:39,320 barely breathe. Hunt is like they're trying to 2587 02:09:39,320 --> 02:09:41,560 like help her through it. And then she's got like, she's 2588 02:09:41,560 --> 02:09:45,360 got hyperxia who has a lot of parallels to Irene. 2589 02:09:45,520 --> 02:09:47,360 And we'll talk more about Hyperxia in the witches, of 2590 02:09:47,360 --> 02:09:49,240 course. But the witches in in at 2591 02:09:49,240 --> 02:09:52,680 Crescent City are very similar to the healers in Throne of 2592 02:09:52,680 --> 02:09:54,320 Glass. And the entire time that I was 2593 02:09:54,320 --> 02:09:57,480 reading that scene, I was just like, wow, the the parallels of 2594 02:09:57,920 --> 02:10:01,280 healing and removing of this crystallis venom, which is like 2595 02:10:01,520 --> 02:10:05,000 a physical thing that has been eating away at you, is very 2596 02:10:05,000 --> 02:10:10,360 similar to Irene pulling out a physical thing like a physical 2597 02:10:10,360 --> 02:10:14,240 valve injury that has been also eating away at kale. 2598 02:10:14,240 --> 02:10:18,240 So yeah, that was one just fun little parallel that I'm sure 2599 02:10:18,240 --> 02:10:20,520 we'll talk more about as we talk about hyperxium. 2600 02:10:20,760 --> 02:10:23,840 But it was related to the crystallis venom, so I wanted to 2601 02:10:23,840 --> 02:10:27,360 throw it in here. And then the second one was 2602 02:10:29,600 --> 02:10:33,000 about Obsidian salt. It is considered black and oily 2603 02:10:33,000 --> 02:10:35,800 again. Full valg hell tirade next 2604 02:10:35,800 --> 02:10:38,440 episode. But thou blood and power is also 2605 02:10:38,440 --> 02:10:40,880 considered oily all the time. All the time. 2606 02:10:40,960 --> 02:10:43,480 Crown of I think this is. I think it's Crown of the Night. 2607 02:10:43,480 --> 02:10:47,920 Chapter 45 Selena finds the blood of a valid creature under 2608 02:10:47,920 --> 02:10:50,960 the castle. She says 1/2 dried pool of blood 2609 02:10:50,960 --> 02:10:54,920 lay at the base of the door, so dark it looks like oil. 2610 02:10:55,040 --> 02:10:58,920 It felt as oily as it looks. She remembers it again later in 2611 02:10:58,920 --> 02:11:01,680 Air of Fire and she even calls it Obsidian. 2612 02:11:01,760 --> 02:11:05,280 She describes it as Obsidian, Obsidian, oily pool of blood. 2613 02:11:05,280 --> 02:11:08,480 And then in Empire of Storms chapter 15, she also describes 2614 02:11:08,480 --> 02:11:12,360 Wordstone as oily. She says iron as if the man 2615 02:11:12,360 --> 02:11:15,960 score was made of it and that oily hideous after taste dot dot 2616 02:11:15,960 --> 02:11:18,480 dot wordstone. And then in Kingdom of Ash 2617 02:11:18,480 --> 02:11:21,080 chapter 70, the pulse of air wants power slithered over 2618 02:11:21,080 --> 02:11:25,040 Dorian, so similar, so terribly similar to the oily power of 2619 02:11:25,040 --> 02:11:27,440 that valid Prince. The fact that we just talked 2620 02:11:27,440 --> 02:11:30,400 about the essence of the Princess of hell having the same 2621 02:11:30,400 --> 02:11:34,280 properties of Obsidian salt in that it repels the asterion. 2622 02:11:34,280 --> 02:11:35,960 It's like immune to asteria thrall. 2623 02:11:36,800 --> 02:11:39,760 Obsidian salt is described as oily and so is like literally 2624 02:11:39,760 --> 02:11:43,240 everything related to dog power. Word stone. 2625 02:11:43,560 --> 02:11:47,160 Dog blood is interesting. I also believe there is that 2626 02:11:47,160 --> 02:11:50,080 quote about the throne of glass gods. 2627 02:11:50,080 --> 02:11:53,560 Remember what book it's in about the throne of glass gods? 2628 02:11:53,560 --> 02:11:57,640 Like fearing Obsidian basically and don't think I can find it. 2629 02:11:58,320 --> 02:12:00,520 That's OK. All right, I'll see if I can 2630 02:12:00,520 --> 02:12:02,320 remember the quote and I'll bring it in at some point. 2631 02:12:02,320 --> 02:12:07,520 But there is a quote about I think it's about it's about the 2632 02:12:07,520 --> 02:12:11,280 gods and throne of glass. And it's it's clearly 2633 02:12:11,280 --> 02:12:14,480 referencing word stone. But it says like Obsidian they 2634 02:12:14,480 --> 02:12:19,360 feared the most. And if I'm wrong, you guys will 2635 02:12:19,360 --> 02:12:21,480 let me know. It's totally fine because I 2636 02:12:21,480 --> 02:12:25,480 didn't prep this at all. But it is a gap idea that I 2637 02:12:25,480 --> 02:12:29,840 mean, I do like, are you, are you going as far as to say that 2638 02:12:29,840 --> 02:12:32,600 Obsidian, that black Obsidian salt might be related to word 2639 02:12:32,600 --> 02:12:35,400 stone or are we just saying it's all very valk? 2640 02:12:35,720 --> 02:12:40,360 I mean, I think that word stone is either the essence of or is 2641 02:12:40,720 --> 02:12:45,560 created to mimic the essence of Valk, and Obsidian salt seems to 2642 02:12:45,560 --> 02:12:49,760 also be created to mimic the essence of the Princess of Hell. 2643 02:12:50,600 --> 02:12:52,080 So I think they're all linked. I agree. 2644 02:12:52,760 --> 02:12:55,520 All right, I don't really have anything that my Throne of 2645 02:12:55,520 --> 02:12:57,480 Awesome mission was that the Reapers bleed black. 2646 02:12:57,560 --> 02:12:59,760 We know that's we got it. It's cool. 2647 02:12:59,920 --> 02:13:03,400 It's all down. There, it's all right, all 2648 02:13:04,760 --> 02:13:06,480 right, pre. Cog. 2649 02:13:06,720 --> 02:13:10,880 OK. I I kind of yeah, I have one. 2650 02:13:10,880 --> 02:13:12,360 It's not really a pre cog corner. 2651 02:13:12,360 --> 02:13:16,160 It's kind of a mythology corner. So I just wanted to talk about 2652 02:13:16,160 --> 02:13:18,640 hell in mythology real quick because I think there's some 2653 02:13:18,640 --> 02:13:20,960 interesting parallels with what she's doing. 2654 02:13:20,960 --> 02:13:22,320 It's not necessarily a theory, though. 2655 02:13:22,320 --> 02:13:23,640 I'm just letting you know right now. 2656 02:13:23,760 --> 02:13:27,880 So hell in Norse mythology is both a goddess and a place. 2657 02:13:28,000 --> 02:13:32,160 So the afterlife location is said to be down and to the 2658 02:13:32,160 --> 02:13:33,160 north. Interesting. 2659 02:13:33,160 --> 02:13:35,640 That is to the north. Hello night court, hello huge 2660 02:13:35,640 --> 02:13:38,920 city right? It is said that it will play an 2661 02:13:38,920 --> 02:13:42,120 important role in ragnarok. If you guys don't remember what 2662 02:13:42,120 --> 02:13:45,680 episode it was, but we talked about the the Uroboros mirror 2663 02:13:45,760 --> 02:13:49,400 that Sarah looks into has a serpent that's eating itself 2664 02:13:49,440 --> 02:13:53,000 Uroboros, obviously, but that that has essence like seems to 2665 02:13:53,000 --> 02:13:55,840 be a reference to Yorman Gonder, who is a great snake that 2666 02:13:55,840 --> 02:13:58,120 encircles the world. And it's said that Ragnarok is 2667 02:13:58,120 --> 02:14:01,880 going to start when form and Gonder like basically stops 2668 02:14:01,880 --> 02:14:03,240 fighting himself, releases himself. 2669 02:14:03,240 --> 02:14:06,640 So we've now gotten kind of two Ragnarok mentions, which I think 2670 02:14:06,640 --> 02:14:10,280 is interesting. This is a description of a road 2671 02:14:10,280 --> 02:14:13,040 of the road to hell from the website and I quote worst 2672 02:14:13,040 --> 02:14:16,360 mythology for smart people. So it's for smart people. 2673 02:14:18,000 --> 02:14:22,720 So we get while he was living with Rang Kyles Ragnahild. 2674 02:14:22,760 --> 02:14:24,760 Jesus Christ, I should have looked up pronunciations. 2675 02:14:24,760 --> 02:14:27,240 I'm very sorry to all our Nordic listeners. 2676 02:14:27,240 --> 02:14:28,640 All right. While he was living with 2677 02:14:28,640 --> 02:14:31,960 Ragnahild, Hadding had another mysterious experience. 2678 02:14:32,040 --> 02:14:34,040 Woman appeared bearing some herbs. 2679 02:14:34,040 --> 02:14:37,320 Wishing to know where such herbs grew in winter, Hadding went 2680 02:14:37,360 --> 02:14:40,480 this woman under the earth. They pass through mists and then 2681 02:14:40,480 --> 02:14:43,120 through sunny, fertile regions where the herbs had grown. 2682 02:14:43,400 --> 02:14:46,520 Then they came to a raging torrent flowing with weapons. 2683 02:14:46,520 --> 02:14:50,080 Crossing by a bridge, they came upon armies of fallen warriors 2684 02:14:50,080 --> 02:14:53,200 locked in eternal battle. As they press forward, a wall 2685 02:14:53,200 --> 02:14:55,520 stood in their way. They could go no further, but 2686 02:14:55,520 --> 02:14:58,680 the woman tore off the head of a cock, meaning a chicken in this 2687 02:14:58,680 --> 02:15:01,520 case, not a penis, which she happened to have with her, and 2688 02:15:01,520 --> 02:15:04,560 flung it over the wall. Immediately the cock came to 2689 02:15:04,560 --> 02:15:07,640 life and crowed. So I think there's like a lot of 2690 02:15:07,640 --> 02:15:10,720 interesting parallels here to Bryce's journey through the 2691 02:15:10,720 --> 02:15:13,440 tunnels to get to the prison. Right? 2692 02:15:13,440 --> 02:15:16,160 So we start with the herbs. This is this guy's journey to 2693 02:15:16,160 --> 02:15:19,080 hell, the woman who appears bearing herbs, right? 2694 02:15:19,080 --> 02:15:22,040 That's where we start. When Bryce gets to Prithian, 2695 02:15:22,160 --> 02:15:27,040 Sarah specifically calls out the herbs in her dish, which seems 2696 02:15:27,040 --> 02:15:30,480 really strange. But she mentions that the herbs 2697 02:15:30,480 --> 02:15:33,880 that she gets with her meal when she's being held under the Hewn 2698 02:15:33,880 --> 02:15:36,880 City, I think are Rosemary. And she's like, they must have 2699 02:15:36,880 --> 02:15:39,400 herbs, the same herbs here or something, which I always 2700 02:15:39,400 --> 02:15:41,440 thought was like a really weird cop. 2701 02:15:41,440 --> 02:15:43,640 But now we have this hell story. Like, is it? 2702 02:15:43,920 --> 02:15:47,720 Is she trying to draw a comparison here? 2703 02:15:47,960 --> 02:15:50,160 And then they pass through the mist is the next. 2704 02:15:50,160 --> 02:15:52,360 This seems pretty self-evident. We've talked like, you know, 2705 02:15:52,480 --> 02:15:56,520 Misty Place, Thin Place. And then we have funny fertile 2706 02:15:56,520 --> 02:15:57,920 regions. We know that that's how the 2707 02:15:57,920 --> 02:16:00,560 prison used to be before the Daglin corrupted it. 2708 02:16:00,560 --> 02:16:02,600 So is this is kind of again a parallel. 2709 02:16:02,640 --> 02:16:06,880 And then we have this came to a raging torrent flowing with 2710 02:16:06,880 --> 02:16:10,320 weapons crossing by a bridge. They came upon armies of fallen 2711 02:16:10,320 --> 02:16:12,320 warriors locked in eternal battle, right? 2712 02:16:12,320 --> 02:16:15,800 We have Bryce crossing the bridge with where nest is like, 2713 02:16:15,800 --> 02:16:18,040 oh, you froze out there right when she sees the miningard 2714 02:16:18,040 --> 02:16:19,120 worm. We have Bryce crossing the 2715 02:16:19,120 --> 02:16:21,240 bridge. And then we have depictions 2716 02:16:21,280 --> 02:16:23,080 battle. So it's not an actual battle, 2717 02:16:23,080 --> 02:16:26,040 but we have these carvings that Celine has left that are these 2718 02:16:26,040 --> 02:16:29,160 pictures of the battle. And then as they press forward, 2719 02:16:29,160 --> 02:16:32,080 a wall stood in their way. They could go no further, which 2720 02:16:32,639 --> 02:16:35,200 obviously we have a wall, right? We have a wall with an 8 point 2721 02:16:35,200 --> 02:16:39,200 of star that Bryce touches and Nesta and then a door opens to 2722 02:16:39,240 --> 02:16:41,240 the harp chamber. So I think it's really 2723 02:16:41,240 --> 02:16:43,760 interesting that this is like it's supposed to be the road to 2724 02:16:43,760 --> 02:16:46,080 hell, but it's leading us to U.S. court. 2725 02:16:46,080 --> 02:16:48,959 Like it's so many if there's so many parallels with Bryces 2726 02:16:48,959 --> 02:16:52,920 journey to dust court. And we know that a violin is 2727 02:16:53,160 --> 02:16:56,160 like intricately linked to hell with the black salt. 2728 02:16:56,160 --> 02:16:59,080 We haven't necessarily seen that with the prison, but like if 2729 02:16:59,080 --> 02:17:01,760 they're all on top of each other, does that mean dust court 2730 02:17:01,760 --> 02:17:03,680 has? And I'm going to say vesperous, 2731 02:17:03,680 --> 02:17:06,000 like leave the Princess out of it, even vesperous at this 2732 02:17:06,000 --> 02:17:09,320 point, like does she have does dust court have stronger ties to 2733 02:17:09,320 --> 02:17:11,320 hell? Then we've kind of been led to a 2734 02:17:11,320 --> 02:17:14,160 leave us far right? I just think it's I don't know, 2735 02:17:14,160 --> 02:17:16,000 I just think it's interesting. Vesperous. 2736 02:17:16,760 --> 02:17:20,360 Seeming less asteri than any other story keeps me up. 2737 02:17:20,480 --> 02:17:22,480 I would agree with that. Not for today all. 2738 02:17:23,000 --> 02:17:24,200 Right. What's your precoct theory? 2739 02:17:24,959 --> 02:17:27,799 So I'm going to flip mine because you basically almost got 2740 02:17:27,799 --> 02:17:32,240 there to in this episode, so might as well do it here. 2741 02:17:32,680 --> 02:17:34,959 And this to be clear, this one, this one is crazy. 2742 02:17:34,959 --> 02:17:36,920 So I know that it's probably not true. 2743 02:17:36,959 --> 02:17:39,120 OK, but this is just for fun. It's for fun. 2744 02:17:39,440 --> 02:17:45,200 OK, So we have talked about how Bryce is star born and she seems 2745 02:17:45,200 --> 02:17:49,360 super different from all of the other star born Princess star 2746 02:17:49,360 --> 02:17:51,120 born lineage. She doesn't have any other 2747 02:17:51,120 --> 02:17:52,760 classic traits. She doesn't seem like she had 2748 02:17:52,760 --> 02:17:55,080 got anything from Celine and Helena, right? 2749 02:17:55,080 --> 02:17:59,000 Like the the dark colored hair, the blue eyes, the shadows, the 2750 02:17:59,000 --> 02:18:00,719 Dame Adi. She doesn't have that. 2751 02:18:01,719 --> 02:18:07,240 You also mentioned in this episode that we're not sure that 2752 02:18:07,240 --> 02:18:10,160 Atis can wield shadows. We haven't seen Atis wield 2753 02:18:10,160 --> 02:18:12,160 shadows. I guess we have seen him mind 2754 02:18:12,160 --> 02:18:17,080 speak, so there's that. But we have seen Atis appear to 2755 02:18:17,520 --> 02:18:20,840 Bryce basically whenever, right? Like we've seen him come to her 2756 02:18:20,840 --> 02:18:24,559 as a cat whenever it suits him, basically. 2757 02:18:24,840 --> 02:18:27,000 We haven't seen Apollyon do that, right? 2758 02:18:27,000 --> 02:18:30,080 Apollyon needs to come on the autumnal equinox when the veil 2759 02:18:30,080 --> 02:18:34,600 between worlds is thin, but he can come to hunt whenever, like 2760 02:18:34,600 --> 02:18:38,959 whenever he wants because hunt is tied to him right? 2761 02:18:39,120 --> 02:18:46,480 My question is, is it possible that Adis can talk to Bryce 2762 02:18:46,840 --> 02:18:51,400 whenever because he is family, he's he is parental lineage in 2763 02:18:51,400 --> 02:18:54,000 some regard. Like he and Thea did create a 2764 02:18:54,000 --> 02:18:56,600 line of sorts, but it's not Celine and Helena. 2765 02:18:56,680 --> 02:18:58,080 It's actually not Celine and Helena. 2766 02:18:58,080 --> 02:19:01,000 And Celine and Helena maybe are maybe they maybe they are 2767 02:19:01,000 --> 02:19:04,559 fiance, but maybe they have essence of Apollyon or somebody 2768 02:19:04,559 --> 02:19:09,559 who does have shadows, right? So they have a specific tie to 2769 02:19:09,840 --> 02:19:12,959 hell that is maybe not atasis. Maybe it's not Atasis tie. 2770 02:19:13,080 --> 02:19:16,760 And maybe Bryce specifically is tied to Atas and that's why she 2771 02:19:16,760 --> 02:19:21,240 has such a strong connection to him and he to her and does not 2772 02:19:21,240 --> 02:19:23,719 have as much in common with Celine or Helena. 2773 02:19:23,799 --> 02:19:27,799 It's because they have different different ties to different. 2774 02:19:27,799 --> 02:19:31,160 So my precog next episode is how I think it's actually a Polygon 2775 02:19:31,240 --> 02:19:33,959 who might be the father of Helena and Selena. 2776 02:19:33,959 --> 02:19:35,639 And I actually have a lot to go off of there. 2777 02:19:36,680 --> 02:19:38,480 Yeah. So that's why I was getting 2778 02:19:38,480 --> 02:19:41,120 there, because I also got there. It's really. 2779 02:19:41,840 --> 02:19:43,240 Yeah, I just. So what do we think? 2780 02:19:43,240 --> 02:19:45,920 Like Adis fucked Ember, Like I don't like what? 2781 02:19:45,920 --> 02:19:48,200 How does it work? You know, like what do we think? 2782 02:19:48,559 --> 02:19:49,960 How do we think Adis was involved? 2783 02:19:50,600 --> 02:19:54,000 But I think Adis could have started a line with Thea 2784 02:19:54,200 --> 02:19:57,000 different, just one different direction, different child that 2785 02:19:57,000 --> 02:19:59,840 we there could be 1/3 a third that we do not know about. 2786 02:20:00,040 --> 02:20:03,560 The precog theory that is crazy is that Thea and Adis have a 2787 02:20:03,560 --> 02:20:06,120 different. That went to Bryce. 2788 02:20:06,200 --> 02:20:09,560 So Adis's investment in Bryce is paternal. 2789 02:20:09,640 --> 02:20:13,720 Like literally like you are my family, I am looking after you, 2790 02:20:14,080 --> 02:20:17,800 I can visit you whenever because you are genetically tied to me. 2791 02:20:17,800 --> 02:20:19,880 Just like Hunt is genetically tied to Apollyon. 2792 02:20:19,880 --> 02:20:22,480 And that's why Apollyon can visit Hunt whenever. 2793 02:20:22,680 --> 02:20:26,240 You don't have shadows because I don't have shadows, but Celine 2794 02:20:26,240 --> 02:20:30,840 and Helena do because Napoleon's genetics are at play there, not 2795 02:20:30,840 --> 02:20:32,400 one. Yeah, that would be interesting. 2796 02:20:32,680 --> 02:20:36,240 But I look forward to your precog next episode to make more 2797 02:20:36,240 --> 02:20:39,440 sense of it. Yeah, OK, that is it from us for 2798 02:20:39,480 --> 02:20:42,120 this week. 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