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In Greek mythology, Venus is 
also called Ronnie. 

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Do you want to do the honors? 
Vesperus? 

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Vesperus. 
OK, it's Vesp versus star. 

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It is not the Asteri star. 
It is Vesp versus star. 

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This is a symbol of Vespers. 
OK, so once again all roads lead

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to Vespers. 
There are two things that I had 

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to report today. 
One was that I got a haircut 

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yesterday and the first thing 
that my sister said when she saw

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me, we get her haircut by the 
same person. 

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She went on Friday, I went on 
Saturday. 

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She said it looks the same. 
I don't think it looks the same.

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I can see the legs. 
It's. 

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The same length. 
I was like, OK. 

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It's about the shaping. 
For the feedback, I agree with 

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you. 
I agree with you, but I was 

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complaining about how long my 
hair was and she was like just 

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how there's no length cut off 
because she talks like a Gen. 

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Z person. 
That's how she says things. 

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She says just how there's no 
length cut off. 

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And that's a sentence to her. 
So that was what she said in 

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response to my haircut, number 
one. 

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And then #2 is that I had 
package ramen, March and ramen 

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at 9:30 in the morning this 
morning, and that was how my day

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started. 
That's all I have. 

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I have two, I have two 
follow-ups. 

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So first of all, no, they're 
they're they're conversation 

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topics. 
I went out last night and buy 

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out. 
I mean, Derek played a show that

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started at 6:30 and ended at 
8:30. 

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My favorite, my favorite show 
schedule in bed by 10. 

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The fucking best. 
But he played at a bar in DC 

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called the Bullpen. 
If you're from DC, you know what

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the Bullpen is. 
It's basically like the feeder 

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bar into Nats Park. 
So before Nats games, people 

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will go to the Bullpen. 
After Nats games, people will go

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to the bullpen. 
It's like, it's like, it's like 

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Pickles in Baltimore. 
Basically. 

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It only exists because Nats 
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OK. 
So it was me, our friend 

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Shannon. 
Hey Shannon, you get a nice 

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shout out and all these fucking 
wasted Gen. 

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Z ers. 
And I was looking around and I 

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was like, Oh my God. 
First of all, I feel so old. 

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This is ridiculous. 
Second of all, everyone is 

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smoking cigarettes again. 
I'm like, are we back to this? 

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Are we doing this? 
What is going on? 

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Why is everyone smoking 
cigarettes? 

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What is it? 
Everyone. 

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I don't know if that anyone left
nicotine. 

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I just feel like we went back. 
To I just feel like we swung 

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back to cigarettes and I'm, I 
don't know, I wasn't a fan of 

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vaping either, but just I'm just
like, why are we, why are we 

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back on that? 
I don't know, I don't know. 

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And this I thought was really 
funny. 

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Everyone also had digital 
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So like everyone was taking like
photos on their digital cameras 

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and then taking photos on their 
phone. 

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And I'm like, wait, why are we, 
why are we doubling up here? 

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I don't understand what's going 
on, but that was like the moment

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I was like, oh fuck, I'm, I'm 
old. 

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Like I don't understand what's 
happening anymore with the 

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youth. 
So I don't know what, I don't 

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know what this is, but which is 
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Interesting because you think 
that they could make at this 

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point a digital camera that just
like Bluetooth into your phone 

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so that you could have. 
I assume the phone is for the 

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instant gratification, which I 
can understand, but I like the 

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photos that the digital camera 
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And I assume that's, I mean, if 
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it. 
But it's, it's digital camera. 

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I don't get it I think. 
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different type of photo. 
The Apple presets are like so 

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wild if they're not. 
Someone told me a hack and I 

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forget it now, so if anybody 
remembers, please comment on it.

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Somebody told me a hack to 
remove all your like all the 

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presets. 
Oh yeah, your Apple camera. 

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I need to do that because it's 
gotten insane. 

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It's it's gotten to the point 
where I like point my camera at 

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something and I like see 
everything changing and I'm 

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like, why? 
Why are we doing this? 

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Well, you know how fucked my 
phone camera is anyways. 

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You I can't talk about your 
phone. 

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Wait, I had a second follow up 
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Z questions about what's going 
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What was this? 
What was the second thing we 

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talked about? 
Can't remember. 

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I ate ramen at 9:30 in the 
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Oh, yes. 
I was gonna say, was that a 

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throwback to our days? 
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So there's a period of time 
where Ronnie and I, Ronnie and I

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have never lived in the same 
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time where we were seeing each 
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lovely. 
We were just, we always happened

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to be in the same city. 
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inevitably, no matter where we 
were, we were more fun. 

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These were our, these were our, 
not cigarette smoking, but these

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were our, you know, bullpen 
days, as it were. 

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Ronnie would come over or I 
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And at some point during the 
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just order ramen. 
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the nearest place. 
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hours of Disney movies. 
And then one time we did that 

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and then we went for a 10 mile 
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I don't think I could do that 
now. 

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Certainly not. 
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mean always the ramen was the 
first food of the day, Yeah, but

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it was ramen for breakfast pre 
like pre one PMI would say also 

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yeah. 
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eating ramen before 11:00 AM, 
but I think we might have had 

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some 1130 ramens. 
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place opened before. 
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getting ramen for breakfast, 
but. 

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Shin Ramen Shin Ramen was not 
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Yeah. 11 AM. 
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our to our early 20s? 
I suppose. 

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I mean, I also went out last 
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there's only one thing that I 
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The ultimate hangover cure. 
And I'm not, I'm not going to 

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order it at 9:00 AM, but this is
when I wake up now. 

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So that's what's happening. 
I just think there's such a 

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market for ramen for breakfast 
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Like I, if you are a proprietor 
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consider on Sunday and Saturday 
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little early for the breakfast 
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that hit to get their day going.
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don't think it's so off base 
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mean I know there are things 
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breakfast, but I believe that 
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attached to morning versus 
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tightly as American culture. 
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That's all I'm going to say. 
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breakfast spot, I would go in a 
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I would go immediately. 
Immediately. 

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Yes, All right. 
I had one other banter topic. 

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You know what? 
I am going to bring it up 

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because if I don't bring it up 
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about it because it's topical. 
I can't stop crying about the 

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Kentucky Derby. 
Just it was so good, like the 

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producers did a great job this 
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No, but like I just, they really
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Park with that park most 
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Oh my God. 
Oh my God. 

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OK so I think the last time I 
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literally with you 8 years ago 
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Florida. 
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Years ago, years ago. 
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I think it's the last time I 
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The only reason I watched it was
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they were like, oh, we're going 
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because it's like a sports bra. 
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Kentucky Derby. 
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going to watch the Kentucky 
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Yeah, what a good race. 
I can't stop like the trainer, 

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the jockey, the whole thing. 
I'm like, this is amazing. 

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This is what sports are supposed
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I just, and you know, I cry at 
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So I just keep tearing up and I 
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You should guys, if you haven't 
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should check it out. 
It is 2 minutes of pure. 

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Action 2 minutes of pure action.
You heard it here first. 

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It was great. 
It was so good. 

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It was. 
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I loved it. 
Best 2 minutes of my of my 

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weekend by far. 
Until we're except we haven't 

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So now these are gonna some 2 

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Might be the best 2 minutes. 

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So far, yeah. 
Best 2 minutes so far so far I 

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feel. 
That all right, and with that, 

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I'm Abby, I'm Ronnie and this is
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Why are we doing this this way? 
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We're going to talk a lot about 
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ACOTAR season this season 2. 
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overlap, but if you ever want to
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So just to recap, spoilers for 
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These are spicy books. 
Each week we've dive into a 

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We are. 
It's a wild move. 

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We are tackling arguably 1 of, 
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in this series, the Starborn 
Faye. 

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All right, guys, so this is our 
Starborn Faye deep dive. 

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The reason we did this is 
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the cornerstone of this series. 
If you're with, if you were with

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us in our actor season, you know
what we're talking about. 

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We're going to keep talking 
about it today. 

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More evidence We're actually 
focusing all this now. 

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If you're new, buckle up, You're
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I don't think you all have ever 
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Either way, welcome. 
We come with receipts. 

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It's kind of our thing. 
We have quotes to back up our 

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theories so you can follow along
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We are, we are answering fun 

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appreciate it. 
All right, fun question this one

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as we talked about these are now
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was really bad at coming up with
fun questions. 

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Ronnie was pretty good at it, 
but I think we I think we think 

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you guys are a little better at 
it. 

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This question this week. 
So this is from Sphinxy. 

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The question is, would you 
rather have a night out? 

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How topical? 
Given our banter topic, how 

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would you rather have a night 
out at Rita's, the White Raven 

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or the UL Ball? 
If you guys don't know, the UL 

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Ball is from Harry Potter, so 
that one's not quite mass verse,

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but I think people know what the
UL Ball is. 

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I did not plan for this to be 
after we went out. 

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I didn't plan either. 
However, after last night, I'm 

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going to have to say a night out
at Rita's. 

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I think that's just my speed. 
I think that's where I'm at. 

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I think night out at Rita's is 
the type of night for me. 

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I think White Raven is a little 
bit too like Yule Ball is. 

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I can't be in a full face. 
It's a middle school. 

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Ball. 
I'm not going to the Yule Ball. 

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I think it's a high. 
It's like high school. 

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Yeah, I guess like only half 
high school, half middle school.

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They all go like, no, I think to
a. 

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Certain age you don't go right. 
No, I think everyone went I. 

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Don't know. 
I haven't no, because. 

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We read Harry Potter. 
Young people had to be invited 

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if they were going to be a date,
I'm 99% sure. 

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But yeah, anyways, it's. 
For the youths. 

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It's for the youths, yeah, Yeah.
I would agree. 

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I think the white Raven is too 
much for me. 

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I'm I was going to say at this 
age, but honestly probably at 

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any age. 
I was never really into like 

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club clubs, you know the clue. 
I would have gone to the White 

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Raven at a different time in my 
life, and I would have. 

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I don't know, Night out at Rita 
sounds fun. 

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You're just kind of I, I feel 
like it's more like a wide jazz 

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bar situation that then like 
turns into like like at midnight

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it becomes a little bit of a 
dance hall for like more and 

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stuff, but. 
Yeah, you could go dancing, but 

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you could also. 
I envision it as a place where 

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you perhaps don't have to dance.
Yes, you don't want to. 

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Yes, which I love. 
Yeah. 

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All right. 
Great fun question. 

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Thank you Sphinxy for submitting
that. 

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Thank you, Sphinxy. 
All right, Cosms from our last 

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season, so if you guys are new 
cosms are correct, corrections, 

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omission, social media shout 
outs. 

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So this is sometimes we get 
things wrong, sometimes we miss 

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things sometimes you guys just 
have great shout outs and we 

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want to give you credit for 
that. 

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So I will start. 
So I posted a theory. 

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We did our Azrael re release 
deep dive. 

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I mean, in in the real world, we
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Sunday. 
So it's quite fresh in your 

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world. 
It was I think 2 weeks ago at 

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this point. 
We posted our Azrael deep dive 

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re release about shadows. 
Remember guys act our spoilers 

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are fair game here. 
So this is going to be mostly 

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Acatar with a little Crescent 
City thrown in. 

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We got a comment. 
A couple of people commented 

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this, but I want to comment. 
I want to shout out the first 

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person who commented it because 
it's like so obvious now, having

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gone back through Crescent City.
I'm like, why didn't I think of 

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this? 
But I think it's so great. 

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So this was Midwest aftermath on
Instagram posted. 

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It makes me wonder, sorry. 
Our as real theory was that his 

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shadows come from hell. 
If you want to know more about 

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that, you can listen to our our 
a guitar season Midwest 

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aftermath on Instagram posted. 
It makes me wonder if one of the

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Princess came to as when he was 
imprisoned as a child when he 

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needed hope. 
And I was like, I love this 

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idea. 
Like why didn't I don't think we

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talked about this? 
Why didn't we think about this? 

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But like, obviously the Princess
of hell come to hunt when he is 

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imprisoned in a dungeon and 
talked to him. 

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Could that have also happened 
with Azrael with any of the 

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Princess of hell? 
Could even be the Princess of 

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hell. 
We haven't met yet. 

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And did were his shadows gifted 
as a result of that? 

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Because Reece says that they 
don't know the origin of his 

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shadows. 
They don't know if they 

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basically if they came to him 
while he was in the dungeons, 

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like they don't know where they 
came from. 

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So I really love that idea. 
It seems very obvious that 

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someone has put it in front of 
me. 

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So I think it's I think there's 
definitely merit to it. 

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So shout out to Midwest 
aftermath. 

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We love it. 
Or I love it. 

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I love that. 
I think one thing, and we'll 

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obviously talk about this more 
throughout this season, is like 

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one of my open questions is on 
Prithean's like findability, if 

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you will, and whether the 
Princess of Hell can find it any

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more easily than the hysteria 
can. 

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Who obviously can't. 
Because I'm pretty sure when 

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they like, as Celine explains 
how they explained it, it was 

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like, well, because Edis and 
Thea were mates, they were able 

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to open this portal to each 
other's worlds. 

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Whereas we know that Midgard and
Hell have this kind of like 

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slivered rift kind of 
perpetually between them. 

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But Hell can slip through. 
So I am that is one of the 

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things that I am like, currently
stewing on. 

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But yeah, I mean, whether 
whether they were actually there

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or whether it was like 
dreamscape there or whatever. 

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Yeah, totally think it would 
make sense if the Princess of 

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Hell visited. 
I mean the Princess of hell 

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being able to talk to people in 
dreams feels like it just 

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completely opens up a totally 
new level to all of this. 

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Like what are the mechanics of 
that? 

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Doesn't matter if the northern 
rift is open, can they talk to 

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anyone on any planet at any 
time? 

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Like. 
Like we'll explore do with being

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Damati. 
Yeah, I don't know. 

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We'll explore. 
I don't have the answers right 

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now. 
Good. 

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It's good. 
I like it. 

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It's good. 
I love it. 

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I have an exciting one from 
YouTube from CGS 9787 who is I 

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believe Carolyn. 
And this one I I really liked 

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and a lot of you really liked it
too. 

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I think this has one of the most
the highest engagements from 

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other people who aren't you know
us on YouTube so far. 

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And so this is what Carolyn 
wrote Ronnie Abbey and Dragons 

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fans. 
I think I solved a mystery 

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mentioned in this podcast, 
specifically the one of how 

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Elaine just appears next to 
Highburn to save Cassians life. 

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This is very much a guitar. 
So sorry that it's all a guitar,

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but it's like that. 
It's that good. 

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Like I do want to read it. 
It's with Grayson's ring. 

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Remember? 
It was such a plot point that 

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Elaine wouldn't remove the 
engagement ring. 

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Elaine was wearing the ring when
she went into the cauldron. 

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That's Canon chapter 66. 
Agamath. 

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Thank you for the receipt 
Carolyn. 

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We know, we know that made items
forged from the cauldron can 

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support travel, so this is 
likely how Elaine did it. 

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Aaron suggests the magic and 
made items can respond to 

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certain emotions. 
H244A Court of Silver Flames. 

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Elaine's iron band was designed 
to protect. 

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Elaine sees Cassian's death and 
her desire to protect activates 

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the magic. 
I think Sarah J Maas, out of a 

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sense of irony, made the iron 
ring that's supposed to be 

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useless into something powerful,
which is symbolic of the 

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character who wears it. 
Further to this, we assume 

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Elaine doesn't want to give the 
ring back to Grayson because of 

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her emotional devastation 
following the breakup. 

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I think that's true initially, 
but after Grayson rejects her, I

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suspect she withholds it because
she knows something is different

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about it and doesn't want it in 
the wrong hands. 

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In the bonus chapter, Elaine 
returns the necklace she 

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received from Azrael, thereby 
proving she's willing to make 

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that type of gesture. 
So why keep the ring? 

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Last week I posted about the 
bonus chapter necklace, so I'm 

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clearly on a jewelry kick. 
Added note, I'm counting the 

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references to Grayson's ring, 
and I've hit six so far in 

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different novels. 
That suggests that. 

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Even if we learn Elaine is more 
starborn than she currently 

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appears, and she did indeed 
wheeled truth tell her this ring

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is coming back. 
I think this is really fun 

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because I hadn't even considered
like, yes, dipping metal. 

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Yeah, things into the cauldron 
has made Matt has made the trove

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so. 
Seemingly, seemingly. 

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No matter. 
Seemingly, yeah. 

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So no matter what, I mean, 
Vesper said that so well, I 

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shouldn't say Vasper hasn't lied
to us. 

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We don't know whether Vasper 
said that. 

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So no matter what Elaine has 
done with this ring, I think 

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it's not unfair to assume that 
this ring could have real 

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capabilities. 
So whether it's Truth Teller or 

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whether it was the ring, I think
something very interesting might

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come about from this ring. 
Whether it's how she appeared 

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behind Highburn or not, I really
like it. 

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I really like the theory, Yeah. 
I really like the idea of the 

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ring being made. 
I like the idea of it coming 

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back. 
I think, yeah, I don't have 

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anything to happen. 
I like it. 

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I like it. 
We like it, we like it all. 

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Right. 
Are you ready for this deep dive

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run? 
This is going to be a big one. 

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I'm kind of a bear. 
I'm going to try. 

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We we will try to prioritize and
make it all make sense. 

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We promise. 
I promise. 

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I can't speak on behalf of Abby,
but I promise. 

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I've spent a lot of time 
thinking about a lot of these 

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questions. 
I think I have it pretty 

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organized in my mind. 
But we will. 

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We will start. 
All right, all right, shall. 

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Shall we deep dive? 
Let's deep dive. 

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OK. 
First question, Ronnie, we're 

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starting real basic here. 
Maybe, I don't know. 

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We'll find. 
Out this is the basic one. 

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I think this is just like, what 
are the fake facts? 

452
00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:53,160
First question, what are the 
Starborn Faye? 

453
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,360
What are we told? 
What are we told? 

454
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,840
What are we told that the 
Starborn Faye are? 

455
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,200
So this is what we are told that
the Starborn Faye are. 

456
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:08,440
So the Starborn Faye are a 
lineage of Faye with specific 

457
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,240
magical abilities, which we'll 
talk about in a different 

458
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,920
question, but we'll touch 
lightly on them here because 

459
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,920
they are pretty important in 
terms of designating who the 

460
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:22,200
star born are, who originated 
from the Dust Court on Prythian,

461
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:26,800
specifically originating from 
Queen Thea's line. 

462
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:31,760
And we learned this in a bunch 
of different ways, in a very 

463
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:36,080
roundabout way over like 1800 
pages or whatever it is. 

464
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,920
However, probably the most 
direct way that we learn it is 

465
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:45,000
from Rydeless, where he tells 
Bryce directly. 

466
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:49,400
Your breed dwelled in a lovely 
verdant land rich with magic. 

467
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,760
If it's of any interest to you, 
your Starborn bloodline 

468
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,000
specifically hailed from a small
aisle a few miles from the 

469
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,840
mainland. 
And while the mainland had all 

470
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:02,120
manner of climbs, the aisle 
existed in a beautiful near 

471
00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:05,640
permanent twilight. 
So your Starborn bloodline that 

472
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,000
Bryce has hailed from this aisle
that is dusk. 

473
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,000
And we know that dusk aisle to 
be the prison, what is now the 

474
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:17,440
prison island on Prythian. 
So let's talk a little bit about

475
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:22,480
what's considered Starborn on 
Midgard and then what Starborn 

476
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,200
is in terms of like kind of the 
grand scheme of things. 

477
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,400
Again, just what we're told. 
So to be considered star born on

478
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,440
Midgard has a couple different 
flavors. 

479
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:35,000
The most basic one, like Capital
S Star born is basically you 

480
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,280
have to have enough of this 
bloodline to display Starlight 

481
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,040
and to wield the star sword. 
We'll talk about this more, but 

482
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:46,560
Queen Thea had a very specific 
flavor of Starlight. 

483
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,280
And while she passed on 
Starlight kind of genetically 

484
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,960
through her daughters Celine and
Helena, she also stored her 

485
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,680
Starlight in places, and her 
specific Starlight can crop up 

486
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,960
in her bloodline. 
The important thing here is that

487
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:02,040
that Bryce specifically has 
Thea's Starlight, and having 

488
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,760
stay at Thea's Starlight seems 
to matter even though Rune is 

489
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,880
also Starborn. 
Bryce specifically has Thea's 

490
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,400
Starlight. 
Rune seemingly does not, and it 

491
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:20,000
says Rune does not real Edith. 
No, Jezeba and Edith are talking

492
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,560
later. 
You can tell the difference 

493
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,200
between Bryce's Starlight and 
her brother. 

494
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,520
I shall never forget the exact 
shine and hue of Faye's light. 

495
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,440
It is still a song in my blood. 
Yes, so couple interesting. 

496
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,880
Yes, you are correct. 
Regulus also says at when he is 

497
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,400
disguised as Edith that that 
Bryce Andrew do not have the 

498
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,800
same Starlight which is 
interesting and what Rigela said

499
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,760
again I think I can't remember 
if he's disguised as Atis but 

500
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:49,360
Rigela said your star born line 
hails from this Isle right? 

501
00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:53,480
Which implies to me there are 
other star born lines that like 

502
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,200
Bryce is one of them. 
They is one of them. 

503
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:57,800
They are not the only ones 
though. 

504
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,040
It's going to be a big what the 
fuck monkey Persian cat rude 

505
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,280
episode. 
So we are told that Bryce has 

506
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,120
they is Starlight, she is called
Starborn. 

507
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,680
Rune is also called Starborn. 
They are both. 

508
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,000
They both have Starlight Rune, 
obviously much less Bryce has a 

509
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,040
lot and they are both able to 
wield the star sword. 

510
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,640
The reason that Bryce having 
Thea's Starlight matters and the

511
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,280
fact that they can both pick up 
the star sword matters is that 

512
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,560
again on Midgard, I'm talking 
like star born. 

513
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,160
On Midgard, you are considered 
star born if you are picking up 

514
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:31,920
that star sword. 
Like that's the test, right? 

515
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,560
You go into The Cave of 
Princess, women aren't allowed, 

516
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,680
but like whatever. 
Bryce obviously is the most born

517
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:42,960
here and in order to wield that 
Star Sword, it said that you 

518
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,840
need enough of Thea's Starlight,
right? 

519
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,280
So we are told Thea endeavored 
to keep the Esteria from being 

520
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,120
able to wield her power to use 
the sword and the knife. 

521
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,000
Both weapons were key to her 
power thanks to Thea's 

522
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,080
assistance in their making. 
Adas explained calmly. 

523
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,840
It is why the Star Sword calls 
to the descendants of Helena of 

524
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,840
Thea, but only to those with 
enough of Thea's Starlight to 

525
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,840
trigger its power. 
Your ancestors called these Fey 

526
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,680
Star Wars. 
The Osteria have no power over 

527
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,080
the blades. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

528
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,280
We'll talk about that later. 
Hold on, let's put in a 

529
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,240
disclaimer. 
I think this is important. 

530
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,800
This is specifically with this 
episode, this our first episode 

531
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,880
of the season. 
All of our thoughts on this will

532
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,040
evolve. 
And this topic in particular is 

533
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,560
so big, we could not possibly 
cover everything in this 

534
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,200
episode, right? 
So guys, if you're like, wait, 

535
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,400
you didn't talk about that, we 
will talk about it. 

536
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,640
Don't worry, we will. 
We just might not get to it this

537
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,440
episode. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

538
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:36,560
So I'll just finish that 
sentence. 

539
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,520
The Osteria have no power over 
the blades. 

540
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,760
They lack they as connection to 
the weapons since the Star sword

541
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,640
and the knife were both made by 
Thea at the same moment. 

542
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,720
Their bond has always linked 
them. 

543
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,840
They have long sought to be 
reunited, and that is from real 

544
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,640
Atis. 
Actual Atis, not the star sword 

545
00:26:54,640 --> 00:27:00,480
calls to Bryce very obviously. 
So Bryce is very much Starborn 

546
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,520
in the capacity that mid 
guardian Faye are calling 

547
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:08,320
Starborn people Starborn Rune 
can also pick up this star sword

548
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,080
was also called to its location 
in The Cave of Princess. 

549
00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:12,680
What's going on with Rune 
Starlight? 

550
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,040
Probably more in the rune 
episode. 

551
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,440
We got a question later in this 
episode on that we'll talk a 

552
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,760
little bit more about it. 
But Starborn you got the 

553
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,120
Starlight. 
You got the Starlight. 

554
00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:22,600
You're picking up that star 
sword at one point. 

555
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:29,120
It is believed right in in this 
series that only the chosen one 

556
00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:32,720
or the air can do these things 
at any given time. 

557
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,800
But we we learn and we know, 
right, that there were once 

558
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:40,320
multiple Starborn people at once
and there can be people with 

559
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,760
this light existing at the same 
time, right? 

560
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,360
So Thea had the light. 
She also shared that light with 

561
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,200
Celine and Helena, who were her 
daughters. 

562
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,840
And so they were all considered 
Starborn. 

563
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,920
Pelleus was also said to be 
Starborn. 

564
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,240
He did not actually actually 
have Thea's light, right? 

565
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,600
That did not happen. 
So yeah, he's a fake star born. 

566
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,840
Well, I wanna, I do wanna talk 
about this. 

567
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,440
I think this is really 
interesting, right? 

568
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,080
Because Ada says the quote is 
you just read this. 

569
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,480
But just for everyone's memory. 
It is why the Star Sword calls 

570
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,440
the descendants of Helena of 
Thea, but only those with enough

571
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,280
of Thea's Starlight to trigger 
its power. 

572
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,040
Your ancestors call these phase 
starborn, right? 

573
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:25,440
So you have to be a descendant 
of Thea to be considered 

574
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,440
starborn. 
On Midgard there are two people 

575
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,760
who wield the Star Sword who 
cannot be descendants of Thea, I

576
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,520
think. 
I mean, I'd be really gross if 

577
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,000
they were. 
And that is Fionn and Pelleus, 

578
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,760
right? 
So we're we're told that Theon 

579
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,560
takes the sword and has it and 
Thea doesn't get it back until 

580
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:47,240
he dies and then we Pelleus 
kills Theo with the star sword. 

581
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,960
So I don't quite know what's 
going on here. 

582
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,720
But they cannot be Starborn by 
that definition, because they're

583
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,400
not descended from Thea. 
Totally. 

584
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,920
And maybe to clarify for 
everyone, Thea takes the sword 

585
00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:03,920
from Theon, right? 
So she steals it from him. 

586
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,160
So I don't know. 
It's, I guess it's feasible that

587
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,640
she could have keyed this power 
to her after she took it from 

588
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,280
him. 
Like she basically shouldn't 

589
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,080
murder him necessarily, but she 
did let him die very 

590
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,440
intentionally. 
It's basically she would have 

591
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:18,520
been charged for murder in 
court. 

592
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,640
She would have been charged for 
murder in court. 

593
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,400
She didn't stab him, but she 
would have been charged. 

594
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,880
Yeah. 
And so I think in terms of that 

595
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,360
ordering right like they were, 
they were wed. 

596
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,320
So I would assume that she is 
not, you know, he is not 

597
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,520
descended from her line. 
Exactly. 

598
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,840
Right. 
So I think that one, we can, I 

599
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:38,840
don't know what's going on 
there. 

600
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,000
I have no idea. 
I assume that she did something 

601
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,600
after the fact or this is just 
not true and we will learn that 

602
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,240
at a later time. 
Pelleus. 

603
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:48,960
No idea, No idea. 
No idea. 

604
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,360
No idea, no idea. 
Where did he get? 

605
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,720
Where did he get that power? 
I don't know. 

606
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,640
We'll talk about it. 
We will talk about it. 

607
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,440
Not this episode. 
We will talk about it. 

608
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:57,600
Cool. 
OK. 

609
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:03,520
There are also telltale physical
traits of Starborn Faye, which 

610
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:08,400
ruined Dannon possesses and it's
kind of the Celine and Helena 

611
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,760
coloring, which is interesting, 
right, because they does not 

612
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,760
have this coloring. 
Those references come up a few 

613
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:18,200
times across the series and it's
it's literally called telltale 

614
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:19,960
physical heritage. 
No sign of the star sword 

615
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,400
tonight and glancing at him 
beyond the telltale physical 

616
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,520
heritage of the star born line, 
little declared this is about 

617
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,880
rune that he'd been anointed by 
Luna or genetics Tasha or their 

618
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,040
people to greater heights. 
And then when he's marching into

619
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,480
the the summit rune, a step 
behind his father was a shock to

620
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,200
the senses and his princely 
raiment to the star sword at his

621
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,280
side. 
He could have very well been one

622
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,320
of the first Starborn with that 
coloring of his. 

623
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:50,560
So rune with his like midnight 
hair against very similar traits

624
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:56,560
to Selena and Helena and his 
very blue eyes is said to be 

625
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,160
telltale physical traits of 
Starborn Faye. 

626
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,400
These are also exactly what 
Reese looks like, right? 

627
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:07,320
Exactly what Reese so we have 
Starborn on Midgard, which is 

628
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,560
Starlight and you can pick up 
the star sword, but we also have

629
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,200
the starborn traits and we'll 
talk about kind of the other 

630
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,560
gifts that typically are 
associated with Starborn. 

631
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,800
But it also seems to be like 
it's just the group of people 

632
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,840
that come from hail from dust 
Court and not like lineage and 

633
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,880
what those people look like 
because if those are the 

634
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,640
telltale physical traits, that's
exactly what Reese looks like. 

635
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,600
That's what his kind of whole 
the line looks like, Selena said

636
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,200
to look exactly like Reese's 
sister. 

637
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,920
Yeah, Well, I mean, I would say 
I think there's a Starborn line 

638
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,520
and that is the Descendants of 
Dusk, right? 

639
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:42,760
I, I think that's definitely 
true. 

640
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,720
But then there are people who 
are Starborn, who have the 

641
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:50,400
Starborn power. 
And the only people that are 

642
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,520
confirmed that we have in our 
entire mass first based on that 

643
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,320
definition are Thea, Celine, 
Helena, Bryce and Groom, right? 

644
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,440
It's it's just those five. 
It's not Cormac, it's not Reese,

645
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,040
it's not the murder twins. 
It's not more of an it's just 

646
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,360
those five people by the 
definition of both being 

647
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,960
descended from Helena, from Thea
and having Starlight, right? 

648
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,240
I don't know that we never see 
Celine or Helena wield the Star 

649
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,000
sword, but they have. 
We know that they have 

650
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,680
Starlight. 
I am assuming that they would be

651
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,600
able to but. 
Yeah, they say they have the 

652
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,320
light and even, I mean, yes, 
they say they have the light in 

653
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,880
the shadows. 
And Cormac says like, I 

654
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,960
displayed star born gifts that 
made me think I would have 

655
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,800
enough to yeah, like get the 
star sword. 

656
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,920
So clearly they feel like they 
can draw correlations between 

657
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,720
these other gifts, winnowing, 
shadows, whatever with 

658
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,640
Starlight. 
But yeah, he's not by the 

659
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,120
Midgard definition, not 
considered star born. 

660
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,880
Neither is anybody except for 
Bryce and Roon on Midgard. 

661
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,080
And then, yeah, Celine, Helena 
and Thea. 

662
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,080
Yeah. 
And I guess Pelleus, technically

663
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,120
by Midgard definition is 
considered starborn. 

664
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,080
We'll talk about. 
Pelleus another time. 

665
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,760
I have so many questions about 
that man. 

666
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,880
Yeah, and there are a bunch of 
starborn Princess who are who 

667
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,800
are dead that are called *. 
We don't know anything about. 

668
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,320
Them, We don't know anything 
about them. 

669
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:12,240
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

670
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,120
All right, Abby, what is 
Starfire? 

671
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,360
So. 
I just kind of generally 

672
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,120
answered, what is their power? 
All right, so first thing, so 

673
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:22,440
Star War and Faye have 
Starlight. 

674
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,640
Let's just talk briefly about 
what Starlight is and then we'll

675
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,760
get into Starfire. 
They are said to be able to 

676
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,280
summon the light of a star. 
So the quote for that, we have 

677
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,360
House of Earth and Blood chapter
14. 

678
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,800
The first star born Prince could
blind an enemy with a flash of 

679
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,160
his Starlight. 
You can barely summon A sparkle 

680
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:41,800
for an instant. 
So that is the Autumn King 

681
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,440
talking to Rune. 
This is about Pelleus again. 

682
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,760
So I don't know if this is true,
but basically this is what we 

683
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,320
are told. 
We are told and we see Bryce do 

684
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,800
this as well, right? 
Basically, we are told that the 

685
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:57,440
Star Born line on Midgard, thus 
far their power has been 

686
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,280
blinding people, right? 
And that's it. 

687
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,280
Just blinding people. 
Just being able to summon 

688
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,760
Starlight and it's light and 
that's it, right? 

689
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:08,000
So more quotes we have for that.
The Star Born line had bred true

690
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,440
twice. 
Rune's face drained of color as 

691
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,360
he remained kneeling and beheld 
his sister at the blazing gate. 

692
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,400
What she declared to the world, 
what she'd revealed herself to 

693
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,560
be. 
Bryce possessed the light of a 

694
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,760
star such as hadn't been 
witnessed since the first wars. 

695
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,679
Jezebel looked like she'd seen a
ghost. 

696
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:26,159
Fury gaped at the screen when 
the flare dimmed. 

697
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:27,440
What? 
Hunt's breath caught in his 

698
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,199
throat. 
So it's just the light of a 

699
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:31,000
star, right? 
That is what the Star Warren 

700
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,040
power is believed to be. 
I like they're making a big 

701
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,760
fucking deal over light. 
Don't really know why this was 

702
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,360
seen as so important. 
It was basically just important 

703
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,920
to the fact until. 
Until Bryce goes to Prythea and 

704
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,400
claims the second third of Thea 
star right? 

705
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,440
At which point she has Starfire 
quote for that. 

706
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,520
As I'd say you had a third of 
Thea's power already. 

707
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,600
The part that originally was 
given to Helena that came down 

708
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,240
to you through Helena's 
bloodline and you took another 

709
00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:02,960
third from where Celine stashed 
it. 

710
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,160
So the when she just had the 3rd
through Helena's bloodline she 

711
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,680
had light. 
Now that she takes Celine's she 

712
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,800
can start to cut through things.
I'll just continue reading, but 

713
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,920
if you can find the last third, 
the part that they are 

714
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,720
originally kept for herself, I 
wonder how your light might 

715
00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:19,960
appear then, what it might do. 
You knew Thea? 

716
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,320
Bryce said. 
You tell me. 

717
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,120
I believe you've already begun 
to see some glimpses of it. 

718
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,040
Ada said. 
Once you attained what Celine 

719
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,280
had hidden. 
Bryce considered the laser 

720
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:29,560
power. 
Ada's laughed. 

721
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,720
Thea called it Starfire, but 
yes. 

722
00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:34,640
And that is House of Flame and 
Shadow chapter 60. 

723
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:39,000
So basically once she gets this 
second third of Thea's star, she

724
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,920
is able able to wield the light 
as a laser. 

725
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,920
I'm just going to keep going 
because I didn't answer this 

726
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,960
question correctly, but I think 
there's interesting things to 

727
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,160
talk about here. 
So basically Starfire at its 

728
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,120
most basic, you can wield the 
light as a laser when Bryce gets

729
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:55,160
the third part of Thea star from
a Volin right at that point. 

730
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,440
At that point she can activate 
the power of the truth teller of

731
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,520
truth teller and the star sword.
So quote we have for that is 

732
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,360
Thea endeavored to keep the 
Esteria from being able to wield

733
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,080
her power to use the sword on 
the knife. 

734
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,040
Both weapons were key to her 
power. 

735
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,480
Thanks the Thea's assistance and
they're making you just read 

736
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,360
this. 
It is why the Star Sword calls 

737
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,440
the descendants of Thea, but 
only with those only to those 

738
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,520
with enough of Thea's Starlight 
to trigger its power. 

739
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,160
Your ancestors called these Fey 
Starborn. 

740
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,800
We just talked about this. 
That power is basically creating

741
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,960
a black hole, right? 
And we will do a whole nother 

742
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,720
episode on truth teller and Star
Sword right? 

743
00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:34,360
But once she has all three 
pieces of this Star of Thea 

744
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,520
Star, she can suddenly create a 
black hole when she reunites 

745
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,280
Star Sword and Truth Teller. 
So those are kind of the big 

746
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,880
three. 
We have piece 1, which is just 

747
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,920
the light. 
We have piece 2, which is 

748
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,960
Starfire. 
And then we have piece 3, which 

749
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,440
all of a sudden she can create a
black hole. 

750
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,960
That seems like a big jump, but 
obviously we have some magic 

751
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,480
blades kind of tossed in there. 
So those are like our big three 

752
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,480
star Warren powers. 
We have other auxiliary powers 

753
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,680
that are thrown in here as well 
that Cormac mentioned. 

754
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:04,880
I'll just run through them 
quickly. 

755
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,320
So we have shadows, right? 
The Starborn line has shadows. 

756
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,920
We see Celine, Helena ruined, 
Cormac, the Murder twins and 

757
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,360
Reese all have shadows. 
Thea and Bryce do not. 

758
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,240
But much of our Starborn line 
has shadows. 

759
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,640
We have mind speaking right 
slash de Mahdi. 

760
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,640
So the quote we have for that is
Bryce said the Starborn could 

761
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,600
mind speak. 
We kind of have a question there

762
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:27,960
like can they actually mind 
speak? 

763
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,600
This is Bryce herself doesn't 
seem to be able to mind speak. 

764
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,320
But we know that Reese is a full
de Mahdi. 

765
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,320
We know that Reese is of the 
Starborn line. 

766
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,640
We haven't actually talked about
this, but we know that Reese is 

767
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,240
of the Starborn line because his
blood is key to the prisons and 

768
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:43,400
Celine said only her the her 
descendants blood would be key 

769
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,680
to the prison. 
So Reese's of the star born 

770
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:50,520
line, Celine seems to be a full 
day Mahdi. 

771
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,520
The quote we get for that is my 
story begins before I was born. 

772
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,960
The female's voice was heavy, 
weary, tired and sad. 

773
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,600
During a time I know of only 
from my mother's stories, my 

774
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,240
father's memories. 
She lifted a finger to the space

775
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:04,760
between her brows. 
Both of them showed me once mine

776
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,400
to mine, so I shall show you. 
So we seem to have confirmation 

777
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,960
that Celine is a full day Mahdi.
We know that Reese is a full day

778
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,560
Mahdi. 
The murder twins on a violin are

779
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,720
also full day Mahdi, even 
despite the parasite, right? 

780
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:21,800
Which is kind of crazy. 
So quotes we have for that are 

781
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,680
when we're introduced to them, 
we get but Rune Flynn and Declan

782
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,760
Glauer, like they recognize the 
approaching males, both towering

783
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,160
an arm to the teeth. 
They were clearly twins, The 

784
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,920
murder twins Rune had mentioned,
capable of prying into minds as 

785
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,480
they saw fit. 
So they can fully read minds 

786
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:42,440
even though Rune can't, and they
later control Saffia's body, 

787
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,080
which is very. 
I mean, that's what Reese does 

788
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:46,960
to Farah under the mountain, 
right? 

789
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,440
So one heartbeat. 
Sofia was wide eyed and 

790
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:50,840
monitoring the showdown. 
The neck. 

791
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,520
She'd snatched a knife from 
Fairy inside and howled it 

792
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,080
against her own throat. 
Stop it. 

793
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:59,000
Fairy and snarled towards the 
twins who were snickering. 

794
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,240
Sofia's hand shook and she 
pressed the dagger and her neck 

795
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:04,200
a little harder, drawing a 
trickle of blood. 

796
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,320
So they are forcing her to hold 
a knife to her own throat. 

797
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,640
So and we seem to have a lot of 
Damati in our Starborn lineage, 

798
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,560
but not everyone. 
There Bryce at one point and 

799
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,080
again like Sarah does this a 
lot. 

800
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,560
She will hide shit in sex beans 
to distract you. 

801
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,240
That's the thing that she does 
at one point she is saying 

802
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:27,920
things and we got the classic. 
She must have voiced her 

803
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:32,640
thoughts aloud because blink. 
It is possible, yes. 

804
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,760
I wouldn't be surprised if once 
she has more time without the 

805
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,360
parasite that she finds that she
does have like some mind 

806
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:40,760
speaking I. 
Definitely think that's 

807
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,480
possible, but I think that Thea 
was not a De Madi and we'll get 

808
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,280
into that in a later question. 
I agree. 

809
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:51,480
So it's very interesting, right?
So obviously, yeah, Celine 

810
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,640
certainly was, Helena probably 
not definitely. 

811
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,400
And then Rune obviously can mind
speak, but cannot mind me. 

812
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,200
That might be because of the 
parasite, might be he doesn't 

813
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,360
have it, we don't fully know. 
Cormac definitely wasn't Damati,

814
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:06,800
even though he's of the Starborn
line. 

815
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:11,040
Okay, wait, maybe. 
No, no, no, he I don't know 

816
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,280
about Pormac, honestly. 
Like it's, it's completely 

817
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,760
possible, but I don't think he 
would have sought out Rune if he

818
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,040
were, because that was the whole
yeah, exactly. 

819
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:26,960
But on Helena, when they're in 
the tunnels in a Vollen, Bryce 

820
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,360
says. 
And again, This is why the 

821
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,640
definition of Starborn on 
Midgard pisses me off. 

822
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,880
But Bryce says the star born 
could mind speak still can and 

823
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,520
she nodded up toward the river a
level above with the murder 

824
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,360
twins lurking somewhere on his 
other side. 

825
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:43,480
Maybe it was maybe the salt 
helped her mind speak with hell.

826
00:40:43,720 --> 00:40:46,640
Maybe someone in hell can tell 
us how to kill the hysteria of 

827
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,880
Holly and himself. 8 Sirius. 
Maybe he's had the answer all 

828
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,800
along. 
And that was Helena like Helena 

829
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,960
was in those tunnels. 
So maybe it was. 

830
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,800
I mean, we know that we know the
Princess of hell just like do 

831
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,080
this and they kind of just speak
to you in your mind. 

832
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,680
But it's seeming like it's 
possible that it's it's it's 

833
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,640
possible that Helena had this 
ability. 

834
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,720
Yeah, I, yeah, I actually have 
the exact same quotes. 

835
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,240
I said, though, I have the exact
same quotes. 

836
00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:15,960
But then Bryce is able to mind 
speak with hell the same way. 

837
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,320
And I wouldn't characterize 
Bryce's day Mahdi. 

838
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,040
So I think it's an open 
question. 

839
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,280
Yeah. 
I look forward to this. 

840
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,680
I think it's going to be fun. 
Yeah. 

841
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,560
So we'll see. 
I don't know, maybe Bryce is 

842
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,240
Damati, but definitely Damati is
kind of an auxiliary power of 

843
00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:37,320
this star born line. 
We also have winnowing, right? 

844
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,760
So obviously Bryce and Cormac 
can winnow. 

845
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:42,680
She calls it teleporting, but 
it's winnowing. 

846
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,080
We get confirmation when she 
goes to Prythea and they say we 

847
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,920
call it winnowing. 
At one point Bryce says you can 

848
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,200
call it whatever you want. 
And I wrote in a comment, this 

849
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,760
is before she goes to Prithea 
and I want to call it winnowing.

850
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,120
So, you know, we're good. 
Amarin confirmed it. 

851
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,920
Thea could also winnow, we 
think. 

852
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,360
This is in House of Flame and 
Shadow chapter 21. 

853
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,960
We get the quote. 
The very enemies my mother had 

854
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,960
slaughtered and enslaved, she 
now needed. 

855
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,320
Their final stronghold lay at 
Parthos, were all scholars and 

856
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,800
thinkers of their day, had holed
up in the Great Library. 

857
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,600
And so it was Parthos. 
It was to Parthos we went next, 

858
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,200
winnowing over under the cover 
of darkness. 

859
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,760
This is about Celine, Helena, 
and Thea all winnowing to 

860
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,320
Parthos. 
Not completely clear which one 

861
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,360
of them is doing this, but I 
think it was Thea based on 

862
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,520
things that happened later in 
the first wars. 

863
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,160
But at least one of them was 
winnowing. 

864
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:34,280
So it is something to do with 
the Starborn line I think we can

865
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,240
assume. 
But then obviously of course 

866
00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:39,000
Rune can't win a hoe and we get 
no indication that the murder 

867
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,240
twins can winnow. 
But we have Bryce, Cormac and 

868
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:47,920
Reese being able to winnow. 
And then the last one is 

869
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,840
healing, kind of. 
I'm not 100% sure that this is 

870
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:55,320
the Starborn power. 
When Rune takes the antidote, he

871
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,800
suddenly has healing power. 
Oh, the quote for that is warm 

872
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,640
bright magic. 
Answered Healing magic, rising 

873
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,240
to the surface as if it had been
dormant in his blood. 

874
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,480
He had no idea how to use it, 
how to do anything other than 

875
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,160
will it with a simple save him 
an answer. 

876
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,240
Light poured from his hands, and
he could feel therian's flesh 

877
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:15,080
and bone knitting back together 
beneath his fingers, mending 

878
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:16,680
healing. 
So that is House Flamish out 

879
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,160
chapter 94. 
Bryce. 

880
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:22,560
Obviously when she makes her 
drop, the first light that she 

881
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,040
kind of generates that is 
released from her drop at the 

882
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:29,400
gate heals everybody in the city
for the most part. 

883
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:33,160
So I think it's kind of unclear 
if that was first light or if 

884
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,560
that was her power somehow 
healing everyone. 

885
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,560
I'm totally willing to buy that.
That was First Light, but Ruined

886
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,120
definitely has this healing 
ability. 

887
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,320
Whether that's related to his 
Starborn heritage, I don't know,

888
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,040
but it's light and it's healing,
so I don't know. 

889
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:48,440
I think that's one. 
That's a potential one. 

890
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,040
We'll put it in the potential 
category. 

891
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,040
Anything I missed? 
I realized we were just supposed

892
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:53,680
to talk about Starfire, so I 
apologize. 

893
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:55,600
Yeah. 
I mean I did all of it later, 

894
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,640
but I agree. 
I mean, I think on healing like 

895
00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:03,520
it's one that we see in the 
Night Court in Prithean. 

896
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:07,640
So regardless of whether it's a 
quote Starborn ability or 

897
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,600
whether it's just from the fact 
that their lineage is from 

898
00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:15,040
Prithian, I think either way, 
like yes, the answer is yes to 

899
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:16,200
that. 
Couple other things on 

900
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:20,560
Starlight. 
So we talked about Starlight in 

901
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:26,720
general and Starfire. 
The Starlight is just light, but

902
00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:33,320
it does react to things, right? 
Like it is said to be by 

903
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,240
rageless and then it kind of 
does this like it proves it out 

904
00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:41,520
right underneath, underneath the
human city and the prison said 

905
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:46,960
to be like a beacon for the home
world of the fae and also for 

906
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,440
Bryce's quote champions like 
whoever that may be. 

907
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,960
So it kind of shines for Cormac,
it shines for Hunt. 

908
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,720
It shines for anybody that seems
to be Bryce's that has Bryce's 

909
00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:00,520
interests at heart. 
How that works don't fucking 

910
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:05,480
know, but it it does prove to be
true when Bryce is under the 

911
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:10,600
human city in Ho Fast Chapter 5.
Bryce turned towards one of the 

912
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,440
tunnels, trying to better see 
what lay beyond. 

913
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,280
The star in her chest dimmed, 
like her magic was rapidly 

914
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:17,800
fading. 
She whirled toward the other 

915
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,640
tunnel, trying to see what she 
could before the magic vanished.

916
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,040
The star flared brightly again. 
Huh. 

917
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,160
She murmured. 
Bryce turned back the other way.

918
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:26,800
The star faded to the opposite 
side. 

919
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,040
It brightened. 
So is it because she's facing a 

920
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:31,920
core of first light and then 
away from it? 

921
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:36,680
I don't know, but it does seem 
to be like very much, yeah, a 

922
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,520
beacon of some sort toward the 
star born world, like the star 

923
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:48,960
born stronghold and does does 
react to hunt Cormac the Beast 

924
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,120
and the Pit, that sort of thing.
She can also like do weird 

925
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,840
things with it before she claims
the second third of light. 

926
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,720
Like she can ball up Starlight 
and like throw it places and 

927
00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:01,880
stuff like that even before she 
has. 

928
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,000
Really. 
I don't remember. 

929
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,800
I remember her taking it out of 
her chest but I don't remember 

930
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,920
her like throwing it. 
Ho Fest Chapter 5 Bryce willed 

931
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,960
Starlight to her hand and held 
it up. 

932
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:12,760
Nothing but emptiness waited 
below. 

933
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,040
Bryce fisted her palm, bawling 
the Starlight into an orb and 

934
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:17,760
dropped it down. 
Yeah. 

935
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,760
And then Oh yeah, you're right, 
yeah, I don't know. 

936
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,800
So it does have like, 
interesting. 

937
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,600
I don't know. 
It's more than just like light 

938
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,560
flaring out of her chest and she
probably could have found more 

939
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:33,560
uses from it if she had only had
that for longer, which maybe 

940
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,000
maybe is what the star born 
Princess or like whatever 

941
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,920
whoever had the Starlight before
her was doing with it because 

942
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:44,600
they clearly had nothing else. 
Yeah, I think that was the only 

943
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,960
thing on Starlight. 
Oh, and for Starfire, I mean, I 

944
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:54,600
think the only thing additional 
that I had was that we're told 

945
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,920
specifically that the darkness 
is what gives it shape into 

946
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:03,160
Starfire, right? 
Specifically the darkness of the

947
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,840
dusk power. 
We're told the darkness of 

948
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,400
Celine's dash, Thea's dusk 
power, giving it shape, 

949
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,560
transforming it into that 
Starfire. 

950
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,720
So yes, it is the second third 
of Thea's power that gives her 

951
00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:20,880
this Starfire ability, but also 
that is part of the power that 

952
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,360
gives her this shadow inside her
Starlight as well. 

953
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,440
And that is what for some reason
is able to give her Starfire, 

954
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:28,800
which is interesting. 
Yeah. 

955
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,640
I'm gonna do a slight aside here
because Derek and I were talking

956
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,160
yesterday. 
This was actually wild. 

957
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,640
And he was like, Oh yeah. 
So I watched this YouTube video 

958
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,880
today with Neil de Grasse Tyson 
where he was talking about 

959
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,160
matter and antimatter and what 
happened when, if if matter and 

960
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,520
antimatter collide and then what
happens from that? 

961
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,080
And I said, you need to send me 
that YouTube video, right? 

962
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,360
Fucking that. 
I need to watch that. 

963
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,320
Yeah. 
Oliver, just to say, I do think 

964
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,600
we'll get into that. 
We're going to dive into the 

965
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,080
prism thing, whatever's 
happening there, I think at 

966
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,880
length and a different episode. 
But yes, it does seem 

967
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,360
interesting to me. 
It's not only that Theo like 

968
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,920
divided her star, right? 
It's like she gave specific 

969
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,960
pieces. 
Like the three pieces of the 

970
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,280
star are not the same. 
It seems like, right? 

971
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,000
Like Celine's was darker. 
For whatever reason. 

972
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:14,720
Celine's part of her star was 
darker. 

973
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,000
We don't know what her Starlight
looks like now that she's got 

974
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,240
Helena's piece of it. 
I hope we find out. 

975
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:22,920
Yeah, but I don't know. 
I don't know. 

976
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:23,440
Right. 
Yeah. 

977
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,080
Yeah. 
You mean Thea's piece of it, 

978
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,600
right? 
Yeah, Thea's piece that, yeah. 

979
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,280
That Helena, like, hidden, 
stashed in the ball on. 

980
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:35,000
Yeah, exactly. 
Yeah, exactly. 

981
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:39,040
The Autumn King was the only 
person who was telling Bryce the

982
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,600
truth the entire time, and we 
fucking lost him. 

983
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,360
I'm mad about it. 
She really shouldn't have killed

984
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,640
him like that. 
Man, had some fucking answers. 

985
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:53,520
Rune, you got to cool it for 
five seconds, man. 

986
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,080
Oh yeah. 
Rune did kill him, I forgot. 

987
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:56,720
About. 
Yeah, yeah. 

988
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,480
Yeah. 
Yeah, I also just want to like 

989
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,040
this is this is not, we're not 
going to answer this now, but 

990
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,320
I'm just going to say it. 
For some reason, Damati powers 

991
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,400
work outside of Gorsian 
shackles. 

992
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,320
What? 
What is Gorsian stone made of? 

993
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,160
That Daimani power is just like 
don't care. 

994
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:19,520
Yeah, but his shot root. 
So what Ronnie is referencing is

995
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:23,400
that in the dungeon when Rune is
being tortured, his mind 

996
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,160
speaking works. 
Like he's still able to talk to 

997
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:26,520
Lydia. 
Lydia could talk to him, but his

998
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:31,840
shadows don't and they seem to 
have the same source of their 

999
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,160
power, which is the Star Born 
line. 

1000
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,040
So why? 
Why is 1 blocked on the other? 

1001
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:38,200
I said I don't know. 
Yep. 

1002
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,080
I don't know. 
Yep. 

1003
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:40,640
Yep. 
Yes. 

1004
00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:42,600
Yeah. 
And that's how fast she knew he 

1005
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,920
could communicate, even with the
Gorsian stones, halting his 

1006
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,600
magic and slowing his healing. 
Knew he'd done so with his 

1007
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,280
sister before Bryce had escaped.
Pieced out. 

1008
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:51,560
Yeah. 
All right. 

1009
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,720
OK. 
I will have more to talk about 

1010
00:49:55,720 --> 00:49:58,040
on the other stuff later because
we have a question about it, but

1011
00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:59,680
I'm good for now if you were. 
Good. 

1012
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,320
OK, OK, All right. 
So this is probably our big 

1013
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,480
question. 
This is probably the the big the

1014
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:08,640
meat of the episode we're going 
to get to here strapping Ronnie.

1015
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,800
What do we think? 
And we can think different 

1016
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,200
things. 
It's OK if we think different 

1017
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,720
things. 
What do we think the Starborn 

1018
00:50:15,720 --> 00:50:19,600
Faye actually are? 
And if you're new here, welcome.

1019
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,240
This is when it's going to get a
little crazy. 

1020
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:26,800
So the Starborn Faye do in fact 
in this case seem to originate 

1021
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,600
from Thea. 
That's pretty much where I think

1022
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:36,400
the honesty ends. 
But we have and this this will 

1023
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:40,920
not be new to I think most 
listeners who have come to with 

1024
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:46,280
us from actor Thea seems to have
gotten her power from Besperous,

1025
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,880
most likely genetically. 
And here's a quick recap of why 

1026
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,800
we think that plus some more 
compounding evidence. 

1027
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,880
I think we'll both have more 
compounding evidence. 

1028
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,320
And then I have a slight A 
slight deviation or not 

1029
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,920
deviation but like sidebar. 
Yeah. 

1030
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,920
Vesper speaks about Thea with 
intense familiarity, right? 

1031
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,000
Says she allowed Thea to 
convince her to lay down, to 

1032
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,520
rest, that she raised her from 
childhood right? 

1033
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:15,160
So this is all in House of Flame
and Shadow chapters 24 and 25 

1034
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,600
ish. 
For a heartbeat it was the 

1035
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,680
creatures best versus turn to 
blink as if a memory had 

1036
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,280
cleared. 
She said more to herself than 

1037
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,200
them. 
They was so charming that day. 

1038
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,080
Told me I look tired and to 
replenish myself in the crystal 

1039
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,520
here above the well. 
But she sealed me within and 

1040
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:31,880
said to let me starve to death 
over the eons. 

1041
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:36,560
Weird thing to do to just take, 
like, a suggestion from a fae if

1042
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,080
you did not, you know, trust 
them implicitly. 

1043
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,560
And she also says it would have 
been a mercy to kill me. 

1044
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:43,880
Thea did not understand the 
word. 

1045
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,360
I raised her from childhood not 
to. 

1046
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,480
Why are you raising a fae from 
childhood? 

1047
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,080
We know nothing about Thea's 
parents. 

1048
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:53,320
You know nothing about Thea's 
parents. 

1049
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,480
Yeah. 
Vespers claims to be the Evening

1050
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:57,760
Star. 
This is important. 

1051
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,480
It's very important. 
It's also important that there's

1052
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,840
two evening stars, but we'll 
talk about that, I think in a 

1053
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,280
different episode, but Vesperus 
claims to be the Evening Star. 

1054
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,000
She says you may call me 
Vesperus. 

1055
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,000
The creature's eyes glowed with 
irritation. 

1056
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,960
Are you related to Hesperus 
Bryce Archibra at the name so 

1057
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,920
similar to one of mid guards, 
Esteri, the Evening Star. 

1058
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,120
I am the Evening Star. 
Vesperus seethed. 

1059
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,680
So she says she's the evening 
star. 

1060
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,480
They as children look exactly 
like Vesperus. 

1061
00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:27,640
Vesperus has moon white skin, 
impossibly dark hair, crushing 

1062
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:29,760
blue eyes. 
And Celine and Helena are both 

1063
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,400
pale night haired and have those
blue eyes as well. 

1064
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,920
And those are the classic star 
born traits, right? 

1065
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,040
Those tell tale traits that we 
talked about in the first 

1066
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:40,520
question. 
Those are Vesper. 

1067
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,360
Those are Vesperus traits. 
That's exactly what exactly what

1068
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,040
she looks like. 
And then again back to the 

1069
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,680
Evening Star being important. 
Celine says that her son glowed 

1070
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,640
with the light of the Evening 
Star, and says that it came from

1071
00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:54,800
her. 
And the Evening Star is 

1072
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,800
Vespers's power, right? 
And that is is again from ho 

1073
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,680
fast. 
Yet when my first son was born, 

1074
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,600
when the babe screamed and the 
sound was full of night, I 

1075
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,840
brought him to the prison and 
keyed the wards into his blood. 

1076
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,040
No one knew that the infant who 
sometimes glowed with Starlight 

1077
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,920
had inherited it from me, that 
it was the light of the Evening 

1078
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:16,040
Star, the Dusk Star. 
So that I mean that is like 

1079
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,760
Celine's child is vesperous as 
descendant, Selena's vesperous 

1080
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,720
as descendant and therefore 
Thaya needs to be best versus 

1081
00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:25,040
descendant as well. 
I think they definitely have the

1082
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,240
same power. 
I just want to play a little 

1083
00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:29,320
devil's advocate. 
I think what we can say from 

1084
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,360
that sentence is that they 
absolutely have the same power, 

1085
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:33,040
right? 
It is. 

1086
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,000
It is the light of the evening 
Star. 

1087
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,560
And what Sarah does so fucking 
brilliantly here is we get 

1088
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,240
Celine's entire monologue right 
and she says no. 

1089
00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:43,920
It like no one knew it would be 
the Starlight he inherited for 

1090
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,640
me, that it was the light of the
Evening Star are the Dust Star. 

1091
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,840
We have not met Vesperus yet, 
right? 

1092
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,640
Vesperus has not said I am the 
Evening Star. 

1093
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,520
So we haven't put it together. 
There has been no reason to put 

1094
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,720
it together yet until you go 
back and you say, oh holy shit, 

1095
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,880
it's the Evening Star. 
So they all have the same 

1096
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,720
Starlight, no question. 
There is no question about that.

1097
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,600
Yes, they all have the same 
power and it is also, I think 

1098
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:11,600
just to be fair, maybe should be
fair to devil's advocate things.

1099
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,200
The common denominator is the 
power of the land, right? 

1100
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:17,640
It is not absolutely Lesperis 
and it is not the fae. 

1101
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,880
It is the land. 
Besperis says I drank the Land's

1102
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:24,840
magic and the Land's magic drink
from me and Thea also gets her 

1103
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,240
magic like her magic is the 
Land's magic. 

1104
00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:30,520
And that is what is so special 
about Prithian as well is like 

1105
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:34,000
the land is ripe with magic. 
And that's a theme that we're 

1106
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,440
seeing in these books too, 
right? 

1107
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,560
Like of all ends Earth magic is 
released. 

1108
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:43,160
So is it completely possible 
that this is not actually magic 

1109
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:47,680
from Asteri, it is magic of the 
land that the Asteri are 

1110
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,640
drinking and that they is 
somehow also drinking? 

1111
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,400
Totally. 
But I think the question is how 

1112
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,080
are they both drinking this 
power? 

1113
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:56,400
Like how are they both? 
Exactly. 

1114
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,440
Absorbing this power. 
Which brings us to the 

1115
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,320
compounding evidence, which is 
like Bryce needs to be charged 

1116
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,320
up. 
Just like the Asteri. 

1117
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,840
She needs her reserves restored,
right? 

1118
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:11,040
So Hunt is her battery. 
Azrael can also charge her. 

1119
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,760
Any power really can charge her,
but certain power is better than

1120
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,320
others. 
Hyperxia can charge her. 

1121
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,960
She gets her power from the 
first light in the gates. 

1122
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,600
That's how she makes the drop, 
which is basically 1,000,000 

1123
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:27,000
tithes, right? 
It's people in the gates of 

1124
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,280
Lunathi. 
And just for context in case 

1125
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,840
this is like a pretty minor 
detail I didn't remember until I

1126
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,520
wrote it down, but like 
everybody drops power into these

1127
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,200
gates like wishes on a wishing 
well. 

1128
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,800
And that is how the gates have 
this power. 

1129
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,200
And when Bryce makes the drop 
she puts her hands on the gates 

1130
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,040
and claims all of that first 
light from the gates. 

1131
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,160
So the massive amount of power 
that she claimed is actually the

1132
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:51,160
first light of like probably 
millions of citizens of 

1133
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:55,160
Lunathion giving their first 
light over crazy amounts of of 

1134
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:57,200
time. 
Starborn Faye can wield Asteri 

1135
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:01,600
made items like the trove just 
as easily as the Asteri can. 

1136
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:06,040
I would argue that Bryce can 
wield the mask even more easily 

1137
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,680
than Nesta can. 
Like Nesta needs to be coerced 

1138
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,600
to take it off. 
Bryce is just like, I'm good. 

1139
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,200
I'm done with it. 
Yeah. 

1140
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,040
And of course she can wield the 
horn as well. 

1141
00:56:17,240 --> 00:56:22,320
The Starfire is comically 
similar to Rygelis's destructive

1142
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,920
power that he's blasting at 
Bryce as she is running out of 

1143
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,480
out of the Eternal City and into
Prythean. 

1144
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:36,400
So there's there is a lot of 
outside of just the Evening Star

1145
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,000
evidence, which again, I do not 
personally think is the nail in 

1146
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,120
the coffin because I think the 
common denominator is the land. 

1147
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:48,080
There are the similarities of 
Bryce needing power to use 

1148
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,720
power. 
I think it's the link to the 

1149
00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:53,840
Osteri. 
Do you have anything to add? 

1150
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:55,920
I'm sure you do to this. 
I have so much. 

1151
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,600
I have so much. 
I have about 15 reasons why this

1152
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:03,360
works and I have like 3 that 
don't, so I'll try to go through

1153
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:04,880
them quickly. 
I think we've covered the 

1154
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:09,720
evening star thing. 
It is the idea that Thea Celine,

1155
00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:14,280
Celine's son, and Bryce, when 
Bryce claims her power for her 

1156
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:18,440
second third of Thea star, she 
says power uncut and ancient, 

1157
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,280
scorched through her veins. 
The hair on her head rose, 

1158
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,000
debris floated upward. 
She was everywhere and nowhere. 

1159
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:28,520
She was the Evening Star and the
last rays of color before dark, 

1160
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,520
right? 
So now Bryce has that evening 

1161
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,800
star in her as well, right? 
So we have Vesperus, Thea, 

1162
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:38,320
Celine, Celine Son, all of them.
This power of the Evening Star, 

1163
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,960
which almost certainly comes 
from the land of Prythian. 

1164
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:45,320
So it's exactly what you said. 
It's that ability to absorb this

1165
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:50,720
power is what seems to be common
between the Esteri and the Star 

1166
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,200
11. 
Sorry, one more devil's advocate

1167
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,040
point. 
I don't think I think you've 

1168
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,600
already disproven this, but we 
do have an item that can 

1169
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,480
transfer power from one person 
to the other. 

1170
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:03,080
So even if again, the genetics 
like the genetic links are 

1171
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,640
there, but the harp can move 
power from one person to the 

1172
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:08,640
other. 
So Thea could in theory have 

1173
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:10,440
stolen this. 
It is possible. 

1174
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:15,080
It it might not be genetic, but 
it is certain. 

1175
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:16,720
Race from childhood? 
I don't know. 

1176
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:21,000
It's certainly a Steri ass. 
So let's talk about the ability 

1177
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:24,280
for Bryce to amplify her power 
with other people's magic, 

1178
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,440
right? 
We know the Asteri. 

1179
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:28,080
This is the Asteri playbook, 
right? 

1180
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,760
The Asteri do not have any power
of their own. 

1181
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:34,400
What they do is they absorb 
magic from other people and that

1182
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:39,360
makes them stronger, which is 
when Azrael charges Bryce up, 

1183
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:43,240
She he's like, Are you sure? 
I'm about to hit you with my raw

1184
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:46,880
power, which to a non star born 
person would injure them, 

1185
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,680
possibly kill them, right? 
She's like, yeah, just hit me on

1186
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,560
my chest and she can absorb that
power, right. 

1187
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:56,240
So we have like that is the same
as the Esteri, right? 

1188
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,440
We later see vespers do the 
exact same thing to wield the 

1189
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,960
the star sword. 
Azrael hits her with his power 

1190
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:06,320
and she takes it and she uses it
to wrap her hands around the 

1191
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,840
star sword, right. 
So same idea of that power 

1192
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:11,480
absorption. 
I have a couple quotes here 

1193
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,360
which in my mind make it like 
like the the links are so 

1194
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,600
strong. 
So we talked about her drop. 

1195
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:21,520
Bryce absorbs all of that power 
in her drop and it amplifies her

1196
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:25,600
non existent power, right? 
So Bryce had no power until she 

1197
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,760
absorbed power from people until
she absorbed first light from 

1198
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,680
people, exactly the same as the 
Esteri, right? 

1199
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:35,160
So the quotes for that are. 
Declan squinted at the screen. 

1200
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,000
She's gaining speed. 
He shook his head. 

1201
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,800
But but she's classified as low 
level, near net negligible if he

1202
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:44,520
felt like being a Dick about it 
right, so Bryce has no power 

1203
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,040
until she absorbs it and then we
get. 

1204
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:50,080
Declan's breathing was uneven as
he murmured the power of the 

1205
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:53,360
gates, the power given over by 
every soul who has ever touched 

1206
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,960
it, every soul who was handed 
over a drop of their magic. 

1207
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,320
He tried and failed to calculate
just how many people over how 

1208
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:00,960
many centuries had touched the 
gates in the city had handed 

1209
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,520
over a drop of their power like 
a coin tossed in a fountain made

1210
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,680
a wish on that drop of yielded 
power. 

1211
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:08,600
Right. 
So then she's able to be. 

1212
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,640
Super mega charged up basically 
right? 

1213
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:14,480
Like she is able to wield all of
this power. 

1214
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,920
The gates of the crystal are a 
conduit. 

1215
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,720
She is absorbing the power from 
the gates. 

1216
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:25,760
We see the Asteri sit on crystal
Thrones in the Crystal Palace to

1217
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:29,320
absorb first light right? 
No one else can do this only the

1218
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,080
starboard Faye and the Asteri 
can do this right? 

1219
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:36,080
That is just that is like an 
undeniable fact about this 

1220
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:40,680
right, all right, so bright. 
So Declan also says she's 

1221
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,200
literally a gate herself. 
The quote forget we have for 

1222
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:46,520
that is so your magic beyond the
light I mean needs to be powered

1223
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:49,760
up. 
It relies on first light or any 

1224
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:51,680
other form of energy you can 
get. 

1225
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:55,320
You're literally a gate. 
You can take in power and offer 

1226
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:57,720
it, but it seems the similarity 
ends there. 

1227
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,920
The gates can store power 
indefinitely, while yours 

1228
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,320
clearly Peters out after a 
while. 

1229
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:08,120
Even after Bryce gets her third 
piece of Thea, Star Hunt still 

1230
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,400
needs to charge her up in the 
final battle. 

1231
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,800
He does it a couple times and he
does it for opening the Northern

1232
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:15,920
Rift. 
So it is not like oh she only 

1233
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:19,080
had 2/3 of her power. 
Even when she has all of it, she

1234
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:22,320
continues to need to be charged 
up, just like Thea Steri. 

1235
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:27,040
So we have quotes where she uses
the exact same language to 

1236
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,200
describe herself and to describe
the Asteris. 

1237
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:32,560
So what Bryce says is I need a 
charge like a battery, Bryce 

1238
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:34,640
said, the scar on her chest 
growing faintly. 

1239
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:36,800
That's Sky and breath. 
Chapter 55. 

1240
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:40,040
Bryce had no weapons, nothing 
beyond the magic in her veins, 

1241
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,960
the Arkeesian amulet around her 
neck and the horn tattooed in 

1242
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,000
her back. 
But to wield it, she needed some

1243
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:48,800
power, needed to be fueled up 
like some stupid fucking battery

1244
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:50,440
as flame as shadow. 
Chapter 1. 

1245
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:52,760
And then I'm pretty sure the 
concept of a battery won't have 

1246
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:54,840
much meaning here. 
But yeah, my magic can be 

1247
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:56,520
amplified by someone else's 
power. 

1248
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:59,160
The other end, Trent 
untranslatable word battery lay 

1249
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:01,400
heavy on her tongue. 
So she's called herself a 

1250
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:04,200
battery three times. 
She calls herself she calls the 

1251
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:07,720
Asteria battery, right. 
So this area was 7 levels below 

1252
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,680
in the throne room where the 
Asteria sat on crystal Thrones 

1253
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,280
did those Thrones filled them 
with power in plain sight. 

1254
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,480
They fueled up like batteries 
sucking in this first light. 

1255
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:20,120
Same thing, same thing, right? 
And then she also calls both 

1256
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:24,640
herself and the Asteria A Leech.
So she says with the for the 

1257
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:27,480
Asteria, she says with this, 
what Danica had learned in her 

1258
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,520
studies on bloodlines, that 
they'd all come from elsewhere, 

1259
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:33,800
but had been lured and trapped 
here and then fed on by these 

1260
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,640
immortal leeches. 
So that's about the Asteria and 

1261
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:39,920
then about herself, Bryce when 
And then when she's talking to 

1262
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,640
Declan, he says, Bryce, when you
draw from a source, it's the 

1263
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:45,080
same way the gates that power 
from people using them to 

1264
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:46,360
communicate. 
Bryce blanked. 

1265
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:49,280
So I'm like some magical Leech. 
So we have Leech, we have 

1266
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:53,400
battery right? 
The charging up process also 

1267
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,000
looks exactly the same for Bryce
and Vesperous. 

1268
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:59,960
So for Bryce we have Hunt 
screamed as Bryce left in front 

1269
01:02:59,960 --> 01:03:03,000
of his power as his lightning 
hit the black blade exploding 

1270
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:06,160
from the metal flowing into her 
arms, her body, her heart. 

1271
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:08,840
Light flash, blinding. 
No, that was Bryce for 

1272
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:12,720
Vesperous, same language, light 
shot up the asteris legs into 

1273
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:16,000
the her body, a blinding flash. 
And then it's like copy and 

1274
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:17,840
paste, same, same 2 sentences, 
right? 

1275
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:24,160
Vesperus confirms that Thea 
could have also charged herself 

1276
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:27,000
up, but Vesperus never taught 
her how to do it. 

1277
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:29,600
Because Vesperus knows how to do
it, right? 

1278
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:33,000
Because it's the same power. 
So the quote is Thea had the 

1279
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,600
gift Vesperus said but did not 
understand how to claim the 

1280
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:37,440
light. 
That's what Bryce is doing here,

1281
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:39,080
right? 
She's claiming additional light.

1282
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:42,840
I made sure never to reveal how 
during her training, how she 

1283
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:45,920
might light up entire worlds if 
she wished, if she sees the 

1284
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:49,480
power to amplify her own. 
But you, Light Stealer, she must

1285
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:52,000
have possessed, she must have 
passed the gift down to you, and

1286
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:53,880
it seems you have learned what 
she had not. 

1287
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:57,120
So Vespers has just told Bryce 
that they had pockets of their 

1288
01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:00,640
light, of their power throughout
the land, but she never taught 

1289
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,400
Thea how to claim it. 
But Bryce knows how to claim it 

1290
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:08,880
because it's the same thing. 
OK, you mentioned the trove. 

1291
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,120
I just want to get into this a 
little more because the quotes 

1292
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:13,800
are actually crazy. 
Not only can she wield the 

1293
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,480
trove, it speaks to some part of
her magic. 

1294
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,440
So Vesperus tells us the Asteria
made the trove, right? 

1295
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:21,360
We that is confirmed. 
We have that quote. 

1296
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,080
She says those of us who 
ventured here found ways to 

1297
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:27,200
amplify that power thanks to the
gifts of the land. 

1298
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:30,560
We pulled our power and imbued 
those gifts into the cauldron so

1299
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:33,600
that it would work our well. 
We made the trove from it. 

1300
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:37,280
The Esteri made the trove, 
something Sarah does, something 

1301
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:40,120
really interesting here, which 
I, I think a lot of, not a lot 

1302
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:43,640
of people have picked up on. 
When we learn about the horn, we

1303
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:47,240
are told the horn at first is 
imbued with starborn power, 

1304
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:48,840
right? 
So the quotes we have for that 

1305
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:52,320
is the shadows veiling them 
rippled because Prince Pelleus's

1306
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:56,080
starborn power was woven into 
the horn itself. 

1307
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:58,800
And it's in my blood. 
My father thinks I might have 

1308
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,200
some sort of preternatural gift 
to find it. 

1309
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:03,800
He admitted when I was bribing 
browsing the archives last 

1310
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:05,680
night, this book just jumped out
at me. 

1311
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:10,000
So star, we're being told 
starborn power is woven into the

1312
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:11,880
horn. 
And then we later learned the 

1313
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:15,160
Asteri made the horn, right? 
It mentions here that the sacred

1314
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:17,400
objects were made only for fae 
like them. 

1315
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:21,480
That the horn worked only when 
that Starlight Starlight flowed 

1316
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:23,640
through it, that it when it was 
filled with power. 

1317
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,720
This claims that the starborn 
magic, in addition to a bunch of

1318
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:29,040
other crap, can be channeled 
through the sacred objects, 

1319
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:31,600
bringing them to life. 
But the Asteri made it so it's a

1320
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:33,760
stereo magic. 
It's not Starborn magic that it 

1321
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:37,320
is the same magic, right? 
And then with the mask, I think 

1322
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:39,120
this is probably like the 
craziest one. 

1323
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:43,400
The star inside her flared 
brightly as if to say hello, old

1324
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:44,560
friend. 
Yes. 

1325
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:48,440
The ancient magic knew the mask.
It understood its deepest 

1326
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:51,600
secrets, right? 
It's her magic is saying, old 

1327
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:54,200
friend, you are, you are me and 
I am you, right? 

1328
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:57,360
Like this is like, like calls to
like basically, right. 

1329
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:02,640
Yeah, she also is able to 
overrule its pull towards an 

1330
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:04,960
asteri. 
So this is at the end of Frost 

1331
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,360
and not for us to start. 
Like Flame and Shadow, we have 

1332
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,720
dead and undead. 
Rigeless's nature confused the 

1333
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:13,840
mask. 
Alive and not alive, Breathing 

1334
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:15,920
and not breathing. 
We'll get into that at another 

1335
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:16,840
time. 
Not right now. 

1336
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:20,240
It couldn't get a grip on the 
Bright Hand, and it seemed to be

1337
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:22,160
recoiling a pulling away from 
Bryce. 

1338
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,920
She focused. 
You obey me. 

1339
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:27,680
The mask halted and remained in 
her thrall. 

1340
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:31,160
So Rigeless isn't Asteri 
literally trying to pull an 

1341
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:35,120
Asteri made item away from Bryce
and Bryce with her star war in 

1342
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:38,680
power is able to say no, you 
belong to me, right? 

1343
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:41,960
So those are probably the big 
three. 

1344
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,800
And then I have a lot of like 
supporting evidence for why this

1345
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:45,600
works. 
Do you want to? 

1346
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:48,040
I think you're about to get into
the shadows and everything. 

1347
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:50,880
Should I keep going with the 
ties to the Asteri I'm. 

1348
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,200
About to get into shadows. 
I have one more on like the. 

1349
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:57,360
I mean, just the number of times
that Bryce herself questions 

1350
01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:01,880
like, am I like the Asteris? 
And the number of times that 

1351
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:07,800
people don't give good reasons 
that she is not like, like I 

1352
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:09,560
think the biggest one is 
Starfire. 

1353
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:12,560
Like she, she's like, is it the 
same as the Asteris? 

1354
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:15,880
And Napoleon says no. 
They're similar in their ability

1355
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:19,360
to destroy, but the Asteris 
power is a blunt, wicked tool of

1356
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:23,240
destruction, Adas added, eyes 
shining with sympathy. 

1357
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:26,840
Why would he feel bad? 
Why would he feel bad if it 

1358
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,600
weren't? 
If the answer weren't yes, 

1359
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:34,600
Starfire's ability to destroy is
but one facet of a wondrous 

1360
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:36,200
gift. 
The greatest difference, of 

1361
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:38,640
course, lies and how the bearer 
chooses to use it. 

1362
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:42,600
So yes, Starfire does have the 
ability to destroy because it is

1363
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:45,440
the same power and the Astiri 
don't use it for these other 

1364
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:47,640
things. 
But you could and they are the 

1365
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:50,200
same. 
And Ada's feels bad because? 

1366
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:53,040
So I do want to be clear, there 
are a couple reasons why this 

1367
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:55,000
doesn't work. 
I'm going to get into all the 

1368
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:57,240
other reasons why it does work 
that I have been able to find 

1369
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:59,640
thus far because I think this is
a really important argument to 

1370
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:00,800
make. 
And then we'll talk about why it

1371
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:02,200
doesn't. 
And then we'll get to the 

1372
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:04,160
shadows because the shadows are 
very important. 

1373
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:06,240
OK OK. 
All right. 

1374
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:09,960
We talked about this in ACOTAR. 
She, Bryce, has Vesperous's 

1375
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:13,160
crown of stars. 
OK, So the quote for that is we 

1376
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:17,000
see a portrait of Vesperous in 
the caves under the prison. 

1377
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:19,920
The quote is this hand that had 
claimed the power lifted, and 

1378
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,200
Bryce still does. 
The memory zoomed out to reveal 

1379
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:24,680
the hands Bearer. 
A black hair and white skin. 

1380
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:27,080
Asteri. 
There was no mistaking the cold,

1381
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:30,600
otherworldly eyes. 
She lounged in golden robes, a 

1382
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:34,240
crown of stars upon her head. 
We later meet Vesperous. 

1383
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:37,000
She has black hair, pale skin. 
She's wearing golden robes. 

1384
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:39,760
It is the same as dairy. 
This is a portrait of Vesperous,

1385
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,000
right? 
Hunt sees Bryce wearing a crown,

1386
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:46,200
crown of stars twice in Ho Fast 
in a Volun. 

1387
01:08:46,279 --> 01:08:49,120
Her chin lifted and he could 
have sworn a crown of stars 

1388
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,600
glimmered around her head. 
I want to wipe them off the face

1389
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:53,560
of the planet. 
She said, and though her voice 

1390
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:57,000
was sofhing but pure predatory 
rage filled it. 

1391
01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:00,960
That's chapter 65. 
And then we have a sorry, I 

1392
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,000
don't know what chapter that is.
I don't think it's 65. 

1393
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:04,680
We have, I promised myself that 
day. 

1394
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:07,439
Micah, cut off your wings. 
Bryce said, still just for him, 

1395
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:09,359
that they'd pay for it for what 
they've done. 

1396
01:09:09,359 --> 01:09:11,880
Starlight flickered around her 
head in a shadow of that crown 

1397
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:13,800
of stars. 
So we have Bryce wearing and a 

1398
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:16,560
series crown of stars. 
Could be because they both have 

1399
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:18,240
claimed the power of the Evening
Star. 

1400
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:22,600
Could be a genetic link right 
The Daglin hounds. 

1401
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:24,680
You mentioned this before bow to
her. 

1402
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:28,479
All right so quick recap on how 
we know these are Daglin hounds.

1403
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:31,720
So the description we have in 
Hofas arriving sea of black 

1404
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:35,359
scaled bodies silver by her 
light appeared. 

1405
01:09:35,399 --> 01:09:39,359
We get confirmation that these 
are are the beasts of the Esteri

1406
01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:42,160
in Celine's carving. 
So the quote is a field of 

1407
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:45,080
corpses had been carved into the
wall, a battlefield stretching 

1408
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:47,120
ahead. 
Crucifixes loomed over the 

1409
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:48,880
battlefield, bodies hanging from
them. 

1410
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:51,399
Great dark beasts of scales and 
talons. 

1411
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:54,400
The ones from beneath the pit of
her cell, she realized with the 

1412
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:56,800
shutter feasted on screaming 
victims. 

1413
01:09:56,800 --> 01:10:00,520
So Bryce literally encounters, 
we call them Daglin towns 

1414
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:02,480
because that's what they call 
them in ACOTAR. 

1415
01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:05,840
Bryce literally encounters a pit
of Daglin hounds. 

1416
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:09,640
And then you talked about this 
before, but we have she rallied 

1417
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:12,640
her power, but nothing, only 
enough to keep the star glowing 

1418
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:14,280
on her chest. 
No teleporting then. 

1419
01:10:14,440 --> 01:10:16,920
And the floor of the pit was 
covered with these things, all 

1420
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:19,800
smelling her, assessing her but 
not advancing. 

1421
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:23,400
Like something about them gave 
about her, gave them pause, made

1422
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:26,440
maybe it also meant something to
these creatures, blah blah blah.

1423
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:28,840
The star kept glowing, pointing 
the way. 

1424
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:32,000
The creature settled as if her 
emotions were theirs. 

1425
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,360
She willed herself to calm, to 
feel No Fear. 

1426
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:37,520
The creature settled further. 
Some laid their heads down. 

1427
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:40,720
She glanced at the star in her 
chest, still glowing brightly. 

1428
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:45,640
They are your champions too. 
It seemed to say that a steri 

1429
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:50,080
hounds are her champions because
she has a like I just that seems

1430
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:52,200
it's pretty self-evident, right?
Like she is their master. 

1431
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:54,680
They are recognizing her as 
their master. 

1432
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,120
And then later it literally says
they lay before her like 

1433
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:59,720
obedient dogs. 
She didn't question it. 

1434
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:02,120
Whenever Sarah puts in, she 
didn't question it. 

1435
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:03,840
That means you're supposed to 
question it. 

1436
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:06,880
You're supposed to wonder, why 
are these asterihounds bowing to

1437
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:08,680
Bryce's Starlight? 
Yeah. 

1438
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:11,520
She calls herself Made. 
I don't know that we need to go 

1439
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:15,760
into this one too much but made 
things mean that they were made 

1440
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:17,640
by the Osteria. 
So we talked about this a lot in

1441
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:20,880
our Acatar season. 
Nesta and Elaine are made 

1442
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:23,120
because they went into the 
cauldron with the Steri 

1443
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:25,960
corrupted power quote. 
We pulled our power and imbued 

1444
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,440
those gifts into the cauldron so
that it would work our well. 

1445
01:11:28,440 --> 01:11:31,240
We made capital M the Tro from 
it. 

1446
01:11:31,440 --> 01:11:33,560
Bryce later calls her power 
made. 

1447
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:37,080
So what she says this is when 
her and Hunt exchanged powers 

1448
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:39,640
during sex. 
She says it felt like my power 

1449
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:41,560
went into you. 
Hunt said, eyes tracking the 

1450
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:44,160
lightning as it slithered, 
slithered down on her body. 

1451
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:47,280
It's yours, and mine is yours, 
she said, touching a Fleck of 

1452
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:49,760
Starlight glittering between the
sable walks of his hair. 

1453
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:52,080
I feel weird, he admitted, but 
didn't move. 

1454
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:55,360
I feel she sensed it then, 
understood it at last. 

1455
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:58,000
What it had always been, what 
she'd learned to call it in that

1456
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,480
other world made with a capital 
M. 

1457
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:01,760
Right? 
So she says. 

1458
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:03,520
Hunt is saying, I have your 
power. 

1459
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:07,720
I feel weird, she's saying. 
You feel made other things. 

1460
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:10,720
And I really love some of these.
So Vesper says. 

1461
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:14,520
Vesper says there are certain 
places girl that are better 

1462
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:16,360
suited to hold power than 
others. 

1463
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:19,480
Places where the veil between 
worlds is thin and magic 

1464
01:12:19,480 --> 01:12:22,640
naturally abounds. 
Our light thrives in such 

1465
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:26,000
environments, sustained by the 
regenerative magic of the land. 

1466
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,360
She despered around. 
She gestured around them. 

1467
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:31,600
This island is a thin place. 
The mists declare it so. 

1468
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:33,640
Right? 
So Vespers is saying there are 

1469
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:38,200
places where a steri power is 
hidden better than others. 

1470
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:42,080
Those are thin places, which is 
exactly where Thea's power is 

1471
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:44,360
also hidden, right? 
So if it works for the Asteria, 

1472
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:45,760
it works for the Starlight 
power. 

1473
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:47,520
This is probably actually my 
favorite one. 

1474
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:50,200
And this gets back into the idea
that they are actually vast 

1475
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:52,840
versus offspring and not just 
made. 

1476
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:55,640
So the quote we have, this is 
again from Celine. 

1477
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:58,800
My father became High King and 
my mother his queen. 

1478
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,720
Yet this island on which you 
stand, this place, my mother 

1479
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:04,520
claimed it for herself. 
The very island where she had 

1480
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:08,000
once served as a slave became 
her domain, her sanctuary. 

1481
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:12,520
The Daglin female who'd ruled it
before her had chosen it for its

1482
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:17,520
natural defensive location, the 
myths that kept it veiled from 

1483
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:20,480
others. 
So Vasperis was up to something 

1484
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:23,480
Vespers was doing, something 
that she was trying to keep from

1485
01:13:23,480 --> 01:13:27,280
the other Esteri, and she 
specifically chose the prison so

1486
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:29,600
that the other Esteri wouldn't 
look into it. 

1487
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:32,040
What is she hiding? 
I think she's hiding that she 

1488
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:34,360
created the Starborn fae 
somehow. 

1489
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:36,920
I don't know how. 
Again, I think it's genetic. 

1490
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:39,080
Doesn't have to be genetic 
necessarily. 

1491
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:43,640
Yeah. 
Other things we know that the 

1492
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:45,960
Esteri still have, still have 
secrets. 

1493
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,200
The reason we know that isn't 
Celine's Ted talk. 

1494
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:51,240
We get they fought the Daglin, 
and one she went on using the 

1495
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:53,280
Daglin's own weapons. 
They destroyed them. 

1496
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:56,800
Yet my parents did not think to 
learn the Daglin's other 

1497
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:59,720
secrets. 
They were too weary, too eager 

1498
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:02,360
to leave the past behind them. 
So there's still things we 

1499
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:05,560
haven't learned yet, I think. 
I think you think that this 

1500
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:07,120
might be, this might be some of 
them. 

1501
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:13,200
So it's a brief list of all the 
reasons why why this theory 

1502
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:16,120
works. 
We have a couple things that are

1503
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:18,920
working strongly against this 
theory that what I do want to 

1504
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:22,560
acknowledge them, Rune says. 
So if we are going with the 

1505
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,640
theory that Thea is vast versus 
daughter, which is still my 

1506
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:28,600
preferred method of this 
happening because it's star 

1507
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:30,680
born, right? 
It's star born. 

1508
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:33,160
It's not star made, it's star 
born. 

1509
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:37,320
Yeah. 
Rune says she Rune is trying to 

1510
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:40,520
figure out who what Day's 
identity is and she mentions her

1511
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:43,360
family and Rune says she wasn't 
an Asteri then. 

1512
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:46,240
Asteri had no family, no 
children, no parents. 

1513
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:48,120
They just were. 
That is Sky in Breath chapter 

1514
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:50,080
36. 
So we have a quote that says 

1515
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:52,360
Asteri have no children. 
Would Rune know? 

1516
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:54,520
Can we trust this? 
Would Rune know this? 

1517
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:58,960
I don't know. 
This book is filled with lies. 

1518
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,200
Yeah, You mentioned before a 
Polygon says it's not the same 

1519
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:04,560
power. 
I think we touched. 

1520
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:06,400
I think we covered that. 
I don't think we need to go over

1521
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:08,360
it again. 
That seems like a really sketchy

1522
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:13,200
non answer to me. 
Vespers not being able to touch 

1523
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:15,880
the star sword I do think is 
really interesting. 

1524
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:19,880
I don't think it necessarily 
negates this theory, but the 

1525
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:22,760
fact that Vespers can't touch 
the star sword when it seems 

1526
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:25,640
that Thea and Vesperus had the 
same power, definitely 

1527
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:28,000
interesting. 
Definitely something we will 

1528
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:30,640
talk about in more detail. 
Maybe it does disprove this 

1529
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:33,200
theory, I don't know. 
The last one, and this is a big 

1530
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:35,600
one. 
The Asteri, at least the Asteri 

1531
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:39,080
on Midgard are said to not 
actually have stars in them at 

1532
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:40,920
all. 
Right, so the quote for that is 

1533
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:45,000
this is when Bryce and Rajalis 
are floating into space. 

1534
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:47,000
She says, like the battery she 
was. 

1535
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:49,600
She grabbed his power, sucked it
into herself. 

1536
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:52,800
Light met light, and yet 
Rigeless's Starlight wasn't 

1537
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,360
Starlight at all. 
It was power, yes, but it was 

1538
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:57,520
first light. 
It was the power of Midgard, of 

1539
01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:00,080
the people. 
It flowed into her, so much 

1540
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:02,520
power that it nearly knocked the
breath out of her lungs. 

1541
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:05,440
Time slowed further, and still 
she sees more of Rigeless's 

1542
01:16:05,440 --> 01:16:07,800
power. 
His power indicator on the wall 

1543
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:10,280
plummeted. 
Rigeless reeled back, releasing 

1544
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:13,280
her either in pain or rage or 
fear, she didn't know. 

1545
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:16,160
Without the first light, without
the people of Midgard and every 

1546
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:19,200
other planet, they bled dry. 
Without the power of the people 

1547
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:20,840
These Jerry fuckers were 
nothing. 

1548
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:25,400
So that's it's not stars kind of
on Midgard it's not stars. 

1549
01:16:25,440 --> 01:16:28,640
Also by the way, right before 
this Rigeless has literally also

1550
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:31,360
grabbed a different asteria and 
sucks the power out of them and 

1551
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:33,240
now Bryce is doing it to him 
again. 

1552
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:38,800
Seems very similar. 
I think there is far too much 

1553
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,280
evidence that these are the same
powers for it to be a 

1554
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:43,160
coincidence. 
I think if it were a coincidence

1555
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:45,160
that would be really fucking 
crazy. 

1556
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:47,760
You mentioned this before is 
power. 

1557
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:53,880
This power seems to basically be
the ability to absorb power from

1558
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:56,080
other sources at its most basic 
form. 

1559
01:16:56,240 --> 01:17:00,480
In Prithian, that is a star. 
In Prithian, that is the Evening

1560
01:17:00,480 --> 01:17:02,480
star. 
There might be other stars, but 

1561
01:17:02,480 --> 01:17:05,880
basically in Prithian, it seems 
like Vesperus is able to absorb 

1562
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:08,920
a star, and it seems like Thea 
and Thea's line is able to 

1563
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:11,880
absorb a star. 
But in Midgard it doesn't seem 

1564
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:15,800
like there is any star and Bryce
is the only one who can absorb a

1565
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:19,760
star on Midgard because she is 
descended from Thea and Thea's 

1566
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:22,080
third of her star has been left 
on a ball. 

1567
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:25,040
And have a big theory here. 
I think basically what Vespers 

1568
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:26,800
was trying to do. 
And I will say this is kind of 

1569
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:28,480
precog. 
I don't have a ton for this one.

1570
01:17:28,480 --> 01:17:33,040
Now, I think Vespers made Thea 
either genetically or magically 

1571
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:37,280
with the purpose of creating the
perfect battery for herself to 

1572
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:40,200
charge herself up, right? 
I don't think even if this is 

1573
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:42,240
genetic, I don't think this was 
like a love child. 

1574
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:46,520
I think this was the purpose of 
this was to give the Asteria a 

1575
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:50,640
better connection to the land of
Prythian basically as a straw, 

1576
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:54,520
right? 
So yeah, the quotes we have for 

1577
01:17:54,520 --> 01:18:00,360
this is we have a Poly on 
telling Bryce that both her and 

1578
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:03,440
Hunt are conduits. 
So the quote is if both of you 

1579
01:18:03,440 --> 01:18:06,000
would benefit from training, 
your powers are more similar 

1580
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:09,800
than you realize conduits, both 
of you, you have no idea how 

1581
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:11,960
valuable you and the others like
you are. 

1582
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:15,400
That is sky and breath chapter 
21 Both of them can, which we'll

1583
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:16,880
get into later is also 
interesting. 

1584
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:20,040
Both of them can both absorb and
give power. 

1585
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:23,520
Vesper says once we left our 
home world, our powers began to 

1586
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:25,920
dim too late. 
We realized that we had been 

1587
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:28,200
dependent on our lands and 
parent magic. 

1588
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:30,960
The magic in other worlds was 
not potent enough yet. 

1589
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:32,680
We could not find the way back 
home. 

1590
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:36,320
Those of us who ventured here 
found ways to amplify that power

1591
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:39,120
thanks to the gifts of the land,
right? 

1592
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:43,360
So when they leave their home 
world, they are not connected to

1593
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:46,520
their pure magic source anymore,
right? 

1594
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:50,360
But we know the land on Prythian
is rife with magic, but they 

1595
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:52,640
can't access it very well, 
right? 

1596
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:54,760
Like she says, our powers began 
to dim. 

1597
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:58,920
So what if she created the 
starboard to basically have 

1598
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:02,120
someone be that conduit, right? 
They are better able to absorb 

1599
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:06,200
the power of the land because it
is their home planet basically. 

1600
01:19:06,440 --> 01:19:09,600
And then they also have so so 
they can absorb that power, but 

1601
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:14,120
then they can pass it on to the 
Esteri to be basically like a 

1602
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:17,680
conduit, A conduit for the 
Esteri to actually be able to 

1603
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:19,640
better absorb the land from 
Perthian. 

1604
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:21,640
That's what I think Vespers was 
up to. 

1605
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:24,680
Very loose, very loosey goosey. 
Basically. 

1606
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:27,360
Thea can absorb the power of the
land. 

1607
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:29,560
Thea's descendants can absorb 
the power of the land. 

1608
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:33,000
In Prithian, that's a star. 
In Midgard, It's not a star, 

1609
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:35,720
it's first light, right? 
It's the power of the people. 

1610
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:39,240
And then the Esteri have an 
infinite battery pack, 

1611
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:41,560
basically, right? 
Like she can just keep taking, 

1612
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:45,320
keep taking, keep taking is my 
current thought. 

1613
01:19:45,440 --> 01:19:48,040
That was a lot of words. 
I think. 

1614
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:51,840
I mean I think Thea being a 
straw makes sense. 

1615
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:57,280
I guess assuming that she is 
also, yeah, like cyclical with 

1616
01:19:57,280 --> 01:20:01,240
the land and assuming that 
Vesperous truly is like 

1617
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:02,760
materially less efficient, 
right. 

1618
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:05,760
And that the I drank the Land's 
magic and the Land's magic drink

1619
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:09,720
for me quote from Vesperous is 
it's worse, right? 

1620
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:13,240
Like whatever she's doing in 
that cycle is worse than what 

1621
01:20:13,440 --> 01:20:16,040
Fayette is able to do. 
Yeah, well. 

1622
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:18,760
I think that actually makes 
sense even with Faya being a 

1623
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:22,840
conduit in that case, right? 
Because when Vesperous leaves, 

1624
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:28,880
Vesper says she never taught 
Thea how to claim extra power, 

1625
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:30,640
right? 
So Thea was always just kind of 

1626
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:34,040
claiming the right amount of 
power from the land I guess. 

1627
01:20:34,480 --> 01:20:37,680
And then when when Vesperus 
actually never leaves, what am I

1628
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:39,360
talking about? 
What she puts Vesperus in the 

1629
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:41,520
coffin? 
The land is kind of able to 

1630
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:44,720
regenerate and come back, which 
makes sense in my mind. 

1631
01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:49,040
So even though Thea still has 
the power of the Evening Star, 

1632
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:51,960
it's not being like sucked, 
sucked out of the land. 

1633
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:54,360
It's it's more regenerative. 
It's more cyclical. 

1634
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:55,960
Yeah, yeah. 
OK, cool. 

1635
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:58,040
You want to talk about the 
shadows? 

1636
01:20:59,880 --> 01:21:03,920
Yeah, it's like it's half about 
shadows, half about Starlight. 

1637
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:07,880
So, so you read the quote 
already, so I won't rehash it, 

1638
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:11,720
but Bryce at one point is like 
Rajalis doesn't have Starlight, 

1639
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:14,600
but I do. 
We actually have in my opinion, 

1640
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:17,480
confirmation that Bryce, Bryce's
Starlight is not actually 

1641
01:21:17,480 --> 01:21:21,320
Starlight. 
And I also think that we have 

1642
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:26,240
confirmation that this like 
light that the star born have is

1643
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:29,760
more than just light, right? 
Like the the second is probably 

1644
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:32,360
more obvious than the first. 
And I think we know this because

1645
01:21:32,440 --> 01:21:34,480
of the Autumn King and his 
experiments. 

1646
01:21:34,480 --> 01:21:35,720
And I'm still mad that he's 
dead. 

1647
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:36,960
So I do want to. 
I know you. 

1648
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:38,920
Said we would talk about. 
This I know you said we would 

1649
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:40,760
talk about this in a later 
episode, but I do want to talk 

1650
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:43,840
about a little bit about what he
was doing with let's do it like 

1651
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:47,800
refraction and recombination. 
So so the autumn king Einer 

1652
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:52,760
Dannon was doing a bunch of 
experiments in his study, right?

1653
01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:57,040
So this is a House of Flame and 
Shadow Chapter 31 Bryce had come

1654
01:21:57,040 --> 01:22:01,120
back from Prythian and 
strategically dropped herself 

1655
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:04,000
back into the Autumn King's 
home, right? 

1656
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:08,000
To basically purposefully trap 
herself in there to figure out 

1657
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:11,000
whatever he knows about the Star
Sword and truth Teller, which 

1658
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:12,480
we're now both in her 
possession. 

1659
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:17,040
And she walks in on him doing 
his prism experiments, which we 

1660
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:19,600
learn about very early on. 
Like House of Earth and blood 

1661
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:22,040
when. 
Yeah, Einer asks Rune. 

1662
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:25,680
Like, can you give me a drop of 
your Starlight so that I can run

1663
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:27,520
it through this prism? 
And there's like, rainbows on 

1664
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:28,680
the walls and it's all very 
pretty. 

1665
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:35,240
So in Chapter 31, he says this 
device refracts the light, 

1666
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:38,240
pulling it apart. 
So I might study every facet of 

1667
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:39,800
it. 
And then he pointed to a sister 

1668
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:41,560
device positioned directly 
across from it. 

1669
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:44,400
That device gathers it back into
one beam again. 

1670
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:47,200
I am attempting to add more to 
the light in the process of 

1671
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:49,240
reforming it. 
If the light might be pulled 

1672
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:51,920
apart and strengthened in its 
most basic form, there's a 

1673
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:55,200
chance that it will coalesce 
into a more powerful version of 

1674
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:57,960
itself. 
So on kind of surface level, it 

1675
01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:01,080
sounds like what Einar is trying
to do is strengthen the 

1676
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:04,880
Starlight of the fae back into 
the strength of the original 

1677
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:06,800
Starlight that he hasn't seen in
a very long time. 

1678
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:11,040
What the Autumn King was doing 
with the original prism was 

1679
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:13,680
basically Isaac Newton's prism 
experiments, right? 

1680
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:17,480
Which is pretty interesting and 
had pretty far reaching and 

1681
01:23:17,480 --> 01:23:22,280
interesting implications. 
And some of those implications 

1682
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:27,000
were one that white light is not
like pure at all, right? 

1683
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:29,880
It was just, it was a mixture of
all colors combined. 

1684
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:33,520
That was 1 output of the prism 
experiment 2 that the prism was 

1685
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:36,760
not creating color. 
It was revealing colors that 

1686
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:40,360
weren't already there at the 
second prism. 

1687
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:43,480
Recombining it back into white 
light was like this the ironclad

1688
01:23:43,480 --> 01:23:45,880
proof, right? 
Like if it can recombine back 

1689
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:47,800
into white light and meant that 
there were no colors being 

1690
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:50,080
created by the prism. 
It was all white light being 

1691
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:52,480
spread and then white light 
being recombined. 

1692
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:57,000
And prism experiments eventually
led to astronomy and the ability

1693
01:23:57,000 --> 01:24:02,840
to identify what stars were made
of through spectroscopy, which 

1694
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:07,800
is how we like understand what 
elements go into stars what, 

1695
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:11,440
what elements compose stars. 
So the Autumn King had literally

1696
01:24:11,440 --> 01:24:15,080
been studying the composition of
the Starborns light. 

1697
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:18,520
And if it is a steri light, like
would he, would he know it? 

1698
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:22,480
He might know it like the Autumn
King very well could understand,

1699
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:24,640
right? 
Like we are, we are told in no 

1700
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:28,680
uncertain terms when he embraced
talk, when she gets back from 

1701
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:30,560
Frithy and she's like, be a 
steri. 

1702
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:33,920
If if the star born light is 
different from their light and 

1703
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:35,760
how it is different, that's what
you want to know. 

1704
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:38,600
That's where the Ori comes in, 
contemplating where we came 

1705
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:42,160
from, what sort of light we 
have, how it can be weaponized. 

1706
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:45,600
And he asks, and did you learn 
such things on your journey? 

1707
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:47,000
So yeah, this is what I want to 
know. 

1708
01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:49,080
Like, this is what he's been 
looking into. 

1709
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:51,440
He wants to know what star born 
light is made out of. 

1710
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:53,240
He wants to know whether it's a 
Steri light. 

1711
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:57,240
He's probably learned a lot, but
he probably doesn't have access 

1712
01:24:57,240 --> 01:24:59,560
to a Steri light. 
So why does this matter? 

1713
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:04,200
Starlight, actual Starlight, 
looks like a full color spectrum

1714
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:07,320
with some dark spots of 
absorption. 

1715
01:25:07,440 --> 01:25:11,880
So Long story short, every 
element in the universe absorbs 

1716
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:14,880
light at specific wavelengths. 
Only those wavelengths. 

1717
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:18,240
So like, hydrogen would absorb 
at exactly the same set of 

1718
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:22,120
positions in the spectrum, and 
sodium at its own set, and iron,

1719
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:25,000
whatever, so on. 
And so when Starlight passes 

1720
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:27,600
through the outer layers of a 
star, the atoms there swallow up

1721
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:31,480
those specific wavelengths 
before the light reaches us. 

1722
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:34,120
And so there are like dark gaps 
in those spectrums. 

1723
01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:36,680
So what Starlight looks like 
when it's refracted is like a 

1724
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:40,760
rainbow spectrum, but with like 
dark gaps. 

1725
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:43,760
But what does Bryce's Starlight 
do when it hits the prism? 

1726
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:47,480
Not that it does not do that. 
I don't know whether, like, 

1727
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:50,400
look, I don't know whether Sarah
J Maas cared about what 

1728
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:53,000
Starlight looked like when I 
crossed through a prism, But I 

1729
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:55,240
feel like she did. 
I feel like she would know. 

1730
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:57,240
I love so much that you did 
this. 

1731
01:25:57,240 --> 01:26:00,880
I love this so much. 
So in House of Flame and Shatter

1732
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:03,480
chapter 39, this is what Bryce's
star does. 

1733
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:05,960
Starlight hit the prism, pass 
through it. 

1734
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:10,200
And it wasn't a rainbow that 
emerged from the other side. 

1735
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:12,800
Not even close. 
It took her a moment to process 

1736
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:15,400
what she was seeing. 
A gradient beam of Starlight. 

1737
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:18,160
Where the rain rainbow would 
have been full of color, this 

1738
01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:22,800
one began in shimmering white 
light and descended into shadow 

1739
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:26,720
and anti rainbow as it were. 
Light falling Into Darkness, 

1740
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:30,120
Droplets of Starlight raining 
from the highest beam into the 

1741
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:34,160
shadowy hand at the bottom, 
devoured by the darkness below. 

1742
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:36,920
So no, Bryce, you do not have 
Starlight. 

1743
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:40,320
Rigeless doesn't have Starlight,
but also you do not have 

1744
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:42,360
Starlight. 
It's not pure Starlight. 

1745
01:26:42,440 --> 01:26:47,360
So does this mean that she is 
exactly like the Very possibly. 

1746
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:52,200
I also think it could mean that 
Thea's lime is a combination 

1747
01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:55,440
with hell, right? 
It is the Asteria ability to 

1748
01:26:55,440 --> 01:26:59,800
absorb light, but you also have 
the shadows, and that is where 

1749
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:04,000
kind of the shadowy devoured by 
darkness element comes in. 

1750
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:06,880
Interestingly, right, Rune 
Starlight doesn't seem to do 

1751
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:08,640
this. 
Like Rune's light goes through 

1752
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:11,120
the prism as well and we don't 
hear about it. 

1753
01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:12,800
We're not told exactly what it 
looks like. 

1754
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:15,160
We don't get a full description,
but I would think that we would 

1755
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:17,200
get a description if it were 
like that. 

1756
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:18,800
Right. 
So in House of and blood chapter

1757
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:21,560
14, all we're told is Brune 
opened his eyes to find the 

1758
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:24,080
Starlight dancing at his 
fingertip, refracting through 

1759
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:26,680
the prism. 
And we're told with by Bryce 

1760
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:29,280
earlier, like she's kind of 
making fun of the Autumn King, 

1761
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:31,600
like, oh, are you just like 
looking at rainbows on the 

1762
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:34,920
walls? 
So why is Bryce's light doing 

1763
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:37,000
this? 
And Room's light is not. 

1764
01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:40,760
It seems related right to that 
second third that Bryce had just

1765
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:42,840
picked up in Prythian. 
But it's not a star. 

1766
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:46,760
It's definitely not a *. 
Yeah, I had that as the second 

1767
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:48,880
part of my what is Bryce 
actually? 

1768
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:52,160
But then I was like, I don't 
know, I this is a this is a lot 

1769
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:54,400
to take on whether or not she 
actually has a star. 

1770
01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:56,000
But I did have this about the 
prism. 

1771
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:58,720
I totally think you're I don't 
think Bryce does have Starlight.

1772
01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:01,080
She has. 
So we have this quote when Nesta

1773
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:02,840
and Bryce are talking, Nesta 
says. 

1774
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:05,240
So you have a star within you, 
an actual star. 

1775
01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:06,920
Bryce shrugged with one 
shoulder. 

1776
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:10,240
Yeah, I mean, not literally. 
It's not like a giant ball of 

1777
01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:13,440
gas spinning in space, but it's 
Starlight, right? 

1778
01:28:13,440 --> 01:28:16,080
So she's like, well, it's not 
really a star, but it's like. 

1779
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:20,600
And then, yeah, the prism thing,
I want to add to that the quote 

1780
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:24,560
I had before about Vesperus 
being up to something on the 

1781
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:27,280
prison, right? 
It said, hold on, let me, let me

1782
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:30,320
just get back to it. 
The Daglin female who'd ruled it

1783
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:33,840
before her had chosen it for its
natural defensive location. 

1784
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:36,920
The myths that kept it veiled 
from others, Right. 

1785
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:39,800
So she's saying it's the myths 
that are keeping the prison 

1786
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:42,800
veiled. 
We find out in flaming shadow 

1787
01:28:43,480 --> 01:28:47,000
when they go to a Vol. 
And it's not the myths that keep

1788
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:50,120
the asteria away, it's the black
salt, right? 

1789
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:54,160
So if this, if the prison is 
actually is actually being 

1790
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:57,720
hidden from the asteri, does 
that mean there's also tons of 

1791
01:28:57,720 --> 01:29:02,120
black salt in the prison? 
But then how is Vesperus there? 

1792
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:04,480
Like how is Vesperus able to 
handle that? 

1793
01:29:04,480 --> 01:29:07,240
I don't know. 
I don't that's kind of precog, 

1794
01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:10,360
but. 
Well, they're they're like giant

1795
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:12,280
word marks all over the prison 
too. 

1796
01:29:12,280 --> 01:29:14,080
So I think there's there sure 
are more today. 

1797
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:19,360
Understood there. 
You had the theory that Thea was

1798
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:23,520
created as a straw. 
I think there's also right that 

1799
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:28,280
moment in the Prism experiment 
where Bryce basically like 

1800
01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:32,760
manually creates Starfire that 
powers up herself. 

1801
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:34,560
She's like, she powers herself 
up. 

1802
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:38,240
Yeah, powers up her own horn 
basically. 

1803
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:43,920
And so like, that's what I, 
that's what I think that Theo 

1804
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:50,800
was meant to be basically a, a 
battery pack, but one that was 

1805
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:56,120
able to basically do this. 
Charge herself up. 

1806
01:29:56,120 --> 01:29:58,320
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 
I I agree. 

1807
01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:02,880
It seems, it seems something 
something about the Esteri not 

1808
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:06,480
having access to the power of 
the land and Faye having access 

1809
01:30:06,480 --> 01:30:09,040
to the power of the land and the
Esteri wanting to be more 

1810
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:12,120
powerful, absorb more power. 
I think it's what went to the 

1811
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:14,720
starboard Faye. 
Or maybe Vesperus met a nice 

1812
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:17,520
Faye man, fell in love, they had
a child and that's what 

1813
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:19,720
happened. 
It could be, I don't know, Seems

1814
01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:22,760
unlikely. 
But Vesperus specifically said 

1815
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:25,160
that she was always looking for 
like she comments. 

1816
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:28,920
Right when when Bryce told her 
about the parasite, she was 

1817
01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:33,120
like, we were always looking for
ways to do this more easily, to 

1818
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:35,560
do this better. 
And if Thea was basically an 

1819
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:39,920
experiment for her to understand
whether they could ever become 

1820
01:30:40,040 --> 01:30:43,520
circular in some way, self 
charge, then that would be 

1821
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:45,480
charge. 
Yeah, make a lot of sense. 

1822
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:48,880
I think it makes sense, you guys
don't have to think it makes 

1823
01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:51,720
sense and you can leave you 
comments if you don't think it 

1824
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:54,280
makes sense. 
But I'm pretty sold on this at 

1825
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:57,080
this. 
There are too many pieces of 

1826
01:30:57,080 --> 01:31:00,280
this pointing towards them. 
They haven't gotten her power 

1827
01:31:00,280 --> 01:31:04,520
from the Osteria for it to not 
lead to something right like as 

1828
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:08,200
like there it's and and that 
something cannot be just a Poly 

1829
01:31:08,200 --> 01:31:09,760
on saying, oh, it's not the same
power. 

1830
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:13,000
Like then we need an explanation
for what the origin of this 

1831
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:16,920
power is, because it sure seems 
like the same power and I don't 

1832
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:19,640
think we've gotten that yet. 
So yeah, with that. 

1833
01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:24,360
Probably power. 
Power plus I I do think there's 

1834
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:25,800
something else. 
My vote is that there's 

1835
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:27,680
something else in the mix, but I
don't know. 

1836
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:28,880
Yeah. 
All right, I don't know. 

1837
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:33,000
Anyways, Abby, what is the 
search influence of question for

1838
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:36,800
of seven of seven? 
Abby, what is the significance 

1839
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:39,600
of the 8 pointed *? 
Let's talk about the eight 

1840
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:42,000
pointed star. 
Spoiler, all roads lead to 

1841
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:43,640
Vesperus. 
All right, but let's talk about 

1842
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:47,520
it at the beginning. 
So Bryce has a scar in the shape

1843
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:49,280
of the 8 pointed star, as we 
know. 

1844
01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:52,920
She says she thinks it's the 
symbol of the star born, but she

1845
01:31:52,920 --> 01:31:55,960
doesn't actually know. 
So this is Bryce and Nesta 

1846
01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:57,960
again. 
Nesta said that the scar your 

1847
01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:00,520
light comes from, it's shaped 
like an 8 pointed star. 

1848
01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:02,600
Why? 
Bryce peered at where the light 

1849
01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:04,800
was muffled by her sea, by her 
T-shirt. 

1850
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:07,600
It's the symbol of the star 
born, I think. 

1851
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:09,160
And the magic marked you this 
way? 

1852
01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:11,200
Yes. 
When I revealed who I was, what 

1853
01:32:11,200 --> 01:32:13,440
I am to the world, I drew the 
star out of my chest. 

1854
01:32:13,440 --> 01:32:16,520
It left that scar and it's wake.
She glanced to Azrael like a 

1855
01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:18,680
burn. 
And then later NASA even 

1856
01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:20,080
questions. 
So she said. 

1857
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:22,160
She says so. 
That eight pointed star? 

1858
01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:24,800
NASA said into the quiet as they
began walking again. 

1859
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:27,240
It's a symbol of the star born, 
people in your world. 

1860
01:32:27,240 --> 01:32:30,560
It means nothing else, right? 
So is it actually a symbol of 

1861
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:32,160
the star born? 
Is it a symbol of something 

1862
01:32:32,160 --> 01:32:34,920
else? 
We also know that Nesta and 

1863
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:38,080
Cassian both have an 8 pointed 
star tattooed on their backs 

1864
01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:40,320
after they make a bargain 
together. 

1865
01:32:40,480 --> 01:32:42,880
All of these things touched by 
the Esteri. 

1866
01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:44,960
Let's let's be clear about that 
up front, right? 

1867
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:47,560
So we just went through very 
long answer, how we think Bryce 

1868
01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:50,920
is linked to the Esteri. 
Nesta has gone into the cauldron

1869
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:52,720
which was corrupted by the 
Esteri. 

1870
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:55,840
Cassian is an Illyrian. 
We know that the Illyrians are 

1871
01:32:55,840 --> 01:32:58,640
made by the Esteri. 
You can listen to our Esteri, 

1872
01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:01,920
our Illyrian deep dive from 
Lassian if you want to go more 

1873
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:08,960
into that. 
We have do to do to do the most 

1874
01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:12,920
important eight pointed star, in
my opinion, in this entire 

1875
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:17,960
cosmos probably is in the harp 
chamber in the person right. 

1876
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:20,560
So the quotes we have for that, 
we first see it in silver 

1877
01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:22,880
flames. 
The harp sat atop a large 

1878
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:26,080
rendering of an 8 pointed star. 
It's cardinal point stretched 

1879
01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:29,280
longer than the other four with 
the harp situated directly in 

1880
01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:31,320
the heart of the star. 
So basically we also have the 

1881
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:32,680
shape of the 8 pointed star, 
right? 

1882
01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:36,320
It's basically a compass with we
got your your half directions as

1883
01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:38,080
well. 
So it's a compass star. 

1884
01:33:38,280 --> 01:33:43,360
We're told this is the symbol of
the star born. 

1885
01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:46,840
It seems to touch a lot of 
Asteria things, but we never 

1886
01:33:46,840 --> 01:33:50,000
see. 
We never see any Asteri in 

1887
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:54,400
Midgard use the 8 pointed star 
as an emblem, as anything right?

1888
01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:56,760
They have. 
I believe they have 6, maybe 7 

1889
01:33:56,760 --> 01:34:00,400
stars as their emblem, but they 
do not have an 8 pointed *. 

1890
01:34:00,480 --> 01:34:01,440
Yeah. 
Did you have something only 

1891
01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:04,200
found in? 
The only place that's found in 

1892
01:34:04,200 --> 01:34:07,320
Midgard is an evolon, which is. 
The only place that's found. 

1893
01:34:07,480 --> 01:34:12,360
Live, live. 
In Midgard is Evolon and I think

1894
01:34:12,360 --> 01:34:15,400
this is very important. 
The 8 point star existed in the 

1895
01:34:15,400 --> 01:34:19,400
harp chamber before Celine made 
any of her carvings, right? 

1896
01:34:19,400 --> 01:34:22,320
So the quote we have for that is
my mother did not question 

1897
01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:25,680
Peleus, her conspirator and 
ally, when he told her to will 

1898
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:28,120
the horn and harp to open a 
doorway to this world. 

1899
01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:31,160
She did not question how and why
he knew this island, our misty 

1900
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:32,520
home, was the best place to do 
it. 

1901
01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:36,480
She simply gathered our people, 
all those willing to conquer and

1902
01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:39,880
all those willing to conquer and
colonize and open the doorway in

1903
01:34:39,880 --> 01:34:42,400
a chamber. 
This chamber, if the 8 pointed 

1904
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:45,800
star on the floor was any 
indication though the celestial 

1905
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:49,240
carvings had not yet been added 
beside it, beside red haired 

1906
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:51,680
Faith who looked alarmingly like
Bryce's father, blah blah blah. 

1907
01:34:51,880 --> 01:34:57,000
So the star existed before 
Celine comes back from Midgard 

1908
01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:58,840
and does all her carvings. 
Right? 

1909
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:01,720
Before this palace was Thea's 
palace. 

1910
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:05,680
It was Vesperus's palace, right?
As we just talked about in 

1911
01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:08,720
mythology, there are a lot of 
eight pointed stars, but I want 

1912
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:11,600
to talk about 1 and specifically
and I there are a lot. 

1913
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:15,800
So I will say this might be this
might be me wanting my theory to

1914
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:18,680
work here. 
OK, but one of the most famous 

1915
01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:22,080
depictions representations of 
the 8 point of star is the star 

1916
01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:24,400
of Ishtar. 
The star of Ishtar is a 

1917
01:35:24,400 --> 01:35:27,480
Mesopotamian symbol of the 
ancient Sumerian goddess in 

1918
01:35:27,480 --> 01:35:32,280
Nana, her E Semitic counterpart 
Ishtar and the Roman goddess 

1919
01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:34,920
Venus. 
In Greek mythology, Venus is 

1920
01:35:34,920 --> 01:35:37,400
also called Ronnie. 
Do you want to do the honors 

1921
01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:41,360
best breath vesperous? 
OK, it's vas versus star. 

1922
01:35:41,480 --> 01:35:44,600
It's vesperous is star. 
It is not the Esteri star. 

1923
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:47,640
It is vesperous is star. 
This is a symbol of vesperous. 

1924
01:35:47,640 --> 01:35:51,480
OK, so once again, all roads 
lead to Vesperus. 

1925
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:55,720
All right, so I do still think 
we have a couple options here. 

1926
01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:58,560
Either the star is truly the 
symbol of Vesperous, right? 

1927
01:35:58,560 --> 01:36:02,000
So that Vesperous, this was her 
palace, her star, she put it in 

1928
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:03,920
the harp chamber and she said 
this is mine. 

1929
01:36:04,160 --> 01:36:06,920
That's option 1. 
And is Vesperous could also be 

1930
01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:10,040
the star of Thea who had the 
power of the evening star, 

1931
01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:11,400
right? 
Venus is, I think this is 

1932
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:13,680
important and we will talk about
this probably at great length. 

1933
01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:16,800
In this series, Venus is known 
as both the morning star and the

1934
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:19,640
evening star because of its 
proximity to the sun. 

1935
01:36:19,640 --> 01:36:21,920
It appears both in the morning 
and the evening. 

1936
01:36:22,080 --> 01:36:23,600
Very important. 
We'll talk about our next 

1937
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:25,080
episode, but Danica means 
Morning star. 

1938
01:36:25,080 --> 01:36:27,920
We'll get back to that. 
All right, so it's both the 

1939
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:31,360
Morning Star and the Evening 
Star and Lucifer. 

1940
01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:35,480
We know that the power of the 
prison, the power of the island 

1941
01:36:35,480 --> 01:36:39,440
is the Evening star, right? 
So it could be the symbol of 

1942
01:36:39,440 --> 01:36:41,280
Vespers. 
It could just be the symbol of 

1943
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:43,760
Thea, right? 
Thea could say, OK, I have the 

1944
01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:46,720
power of the Evening Star. 
Now that Vespers is gone, Dusk, 

1945
01:36:46,720 --> 01:36:49,720
twilight, that's my power. 
I'm going to make this my 

1946
01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:52,000
emblem, which also fits with the
Star born line. 

1947
01:36:52,040 --> 01:36:53,320
Those are kind of the only two 
options. 

1948
01:36:53,320 --> 01:36:58,080
It's either Vespers lead to 
vespers, but anything anything 

1949
01:36:58,080 --> 01:37:00,120
else you want to add there? 
Because I do think she does some

1950
01:37:00,200 --> 01:37:02,160
cool things. 
With it that I would like to 

1951
01:37:02,160 --> 01:37:04,440
talk about, but it doesn't 
answer the fundamental question 

1952
01:37:04,440 --> 01:37:07,760
of what is the 8 pointed star. 
I mean, I think the only the 

1953
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:11,120
only I agree, I think. 
I think it makes most sense to 

1954
01:37:11,120 --> 01:37:13,880
be best versus the only 
interesting. 

1955
01:37:14,040 --> 01:37:16,920
There's two interesting things I
guess. 1 I don't I think we know

1956
01:37:16,920 --> 01:37:22,360
that Vespers didn't rule alone 
and she knows righteous so and. 

1957
01:37:22,360 --> 01:37:26,160
There's 7 asteri we're. 7 Asteri
on Midgard. 

1958
01:37:26,160 --> 01:37:28,800
So we're all eight ever 
together. 

1959
01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:32,640
Like could that ever have been 
representative of a group of 

1960
01:37:32,640 --> 01:37:34,360
eight at any point? 
Don't know. 

1961
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:39,240
And there were also, there are 
also eight territories, right? 

1962
01:37:40,160 --> 01:37:44,680
And there were those territories
existing prior, so could it have

1963
01:37:44,680 --> 01:37:47,360
been a symbol of Prythian? 
That would be really interesting

1964
01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:51,560
if that'd be really interesting 
Vesperus somehow or if or if the

1965
01:37:51,560 --> 01:37:55,360
Osteria like adapted it based 
off of the power of the land. 

1966
01:37:55,360 --> 01:37:59,240
I think that's a really 
interesting idea because in the 

1967
01:37:59,240 --> 01:38:03,080
harp chamber. 
Bryce says that the 8 pointed 

1968
01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:05,280
star is. 
Midgard, right? 

1969
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:07,400
She's like looking. 
Basically what Celine does is 

1970
01:38:07,400 --> 01:38:10,440
carve a map and we know the 8 
pointed star already existed. 

1971
01:38:10,440 --> 01:38:13,880
But the 8 pointed star is in the
place where Midgard should be, 

1972
01:38:13,880 --> 01:38:15,920
right? 
So we have she scanned the room 

1973
01:38:15,920 --> 01:38:19,120
again and turned to the 8 
pointed star directly between 

1974
01:38:19,120 --> 01:38:22,040
Locos and Thur Midgard. 
The name seemed to echo in the 

1975
01:38:22,040 --> 01:38:23,800
chamber. 
Someone went to an awful lot of 

1976
01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:26,040
trouble to make this floor. 
Someone who'd been to my world 

1977
01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:29,160
and then came back here, right? 
So this is my aside here. 

1978
01:38:29,400 --> 01:38:33,280
I think what Celine is doing 
here is really fucking cool. 

1979
01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:36,400
She's basically leaving a map, 
right? 

1980
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:38,720
Like I think she's basically 
leaving a map like she's like 

1981
01:38:38,720 --> 01:38:43,680
saying, OK, for my star born 
air, your third of Faya star is 

1982
01:38:43,680 --> 01:38:48,080
here in this star, but I'm going
to draw you a map to Midgard to 

1983
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:51,680
where the other third of your 
star is going to be where my 

1984
01:38:51,680 --> 01:38:55,440
sister left it, right? 
She's basically leaving a map, 

1985
01:38:55,560 --> 01:38:57,120
right? 
Like I think she's basically 

1986
01:38:57,120 --> 01:39:00,360
leaving a map like she's like 
saying, OK, for my star born 

1987
01:39:00,360 --> 01:39:05,160
air, your third of Thea star is 
here in this star, but I'm going

1988
01:39:05,160 --> 01:39:09,320
to draw you a map to Midgard to 
where the other third of your 

1989
01:39:09,320 --> 01:39:12,440
star is going to be where my 
sister left it, right? 

1990
01:39:12,440 --> 01:39:15,920
So that's what Celine did there,
which I think is really fucking 

1991
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:19,240
cool. 
I love your idea that it's 

1992
01:39:19,240 --> 01:39:21,400
Prythian. 
Because of the way these worlds.

1993
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:24,560
Seem to stack on top of each 
other, right so like we know we 

1994
01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:27,200
know that Prythian and Midgard 
have thin places between each 

1995
01:39:27,200 --> 01:39:30,560
other so is that universe also 
the universe of Prythian in like

1996
01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:32,520
different timelines or in 
different dimensions right. 

1997
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:34,800
If it's meant to represent 
Midgard, is it also representing

1998
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:35,640
Prythian? 
Yeah. 

1999
01:39:35,640 --> 01:39:38,440
Which I think is really cool. 
Part of it has just been brought

2000
01:39:38,440 --> 01:39:42,680
back to life and of all and. 
Is such a mirror to the prison. 

2001
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:45,640
Yeah, true Sister island. 
Yeah, right. 

2002
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:46,960
Which we'll get. 
Which we will. 

2003
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:50,920
Again, we'll talk about. 
But yeah, I also think the map 

2004
01:39:50,920 --> 01:39:53,640
point begs the question, like is
that? 

2005
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:57,560
I don't know. 
Is that evidence? 

2006
01:39:57,680 --> 01:40:00,600
And maybe it's not that. 
These Ley lines. 

2007
01:40:00,680 --> 01:40:04,800
That span worlds that allow 
communication across worlds had 

2008
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:08,680
to have connected had to have 
connected Prythian to Midgard 

2009
01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:11,520
because they needed to be able 
to communicate regarding where 

2010
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:13,960
the power was hidden because 
they neither of them hid that 

2011
01:40:13,960 --> 01:40:18,240
power until don't know. 
I don't know because it's just. 

2012
01:40:18,240 --> 01:40:20,600
Midgard, it's not like, hey, 
here's Evolin. 

2013
01:40:20,680 --> 01:40:23,960
Hey, it's on Evolin, right? 
And like, obviously Celine knew.

2014
01:40:24,200 --> 01:40:27,840
So Ada said he talked to Helena 
and Helena only realized later 

2015
01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:29,600
in life what Thea had actually 
done. 

2016
01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:32,960
But I think we can assume Celine
knew because Celine immediately 

2017
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:37,120
put that bit of of Thea star in 
the ground in the prison, right?

2018
01:40:37,120 --> 01:40:38,960
As soon as she got back, she put
it in the ground. 

2019
01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:42,160
So like, I think Celine knew. 
So I think Celine knew that the 

2020
01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:45,800
other third of Thea star was in 
Midgard, but it's not 

2021
01:40:45,800 --> 01:40:47,880
specifically in Avala 
necessarily. 

2022
01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:50,520
I think she would just have been
able to say it's on Midgard. 

2023
01:40:50,520 --> 01:40:52,880
I don't know where it is on 
Midgard, if that makes sense. 

2024
01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:54,840
Yeah, cool. 
Okay, cool. 

2025
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:57,640
All right, Ronnie, why do Bryce 
and Rune have different 

2026
01:40:57,640 --> 01:41:01,120
starlights? 
All right, so Runes. 

2027
01:41:01,560 --> 01:41:06,080
Starlight is comparatively weak 
for most of the book, right? 

2028
01:41:06,160 --> 01:41:09,360
And it's coupled with shadows. 
Even when he gets even when he 

2029
01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:12,600
gets the antidote, it's not as 
strong as as Bryce's. 

2030
01:41:12,600 --> 01:41:14,520
And we learned this pretty early
on. 

2031
01:41:14,520 --> 01:41:17,000
House worth and blood right 
beyond his star born gifts. 

2032
01:41:17,120 --> 01:41:19,680
The bulk of his magic skewed 
towards his mother's kin, the 

2033
01:41:19,680 --> 01:41:23,720
fae who ruled of all in. 
And we learn it takes him like a

2034
01:41:23,720 --> 01:41:26,720
good amount of concentration to 
summon a Starlight, and it 

2035
01:41:26,720 --> 01:41:29,800
usually left him with a headache
for hours afterwards. 

2036
01:41:29,880 --> 01:41:34,240
That's tough. 
So he's he is star born. 

2037
01:41:34,240 --> 01:41:38,520
He has enough Starlight to again
claim the star sword from The 

2038
01:41:38,520 --> 01:41:43,280
Cave of Princess. 
However, it's not Bryce's 

2039
01:41:43,280 --> 01:41:45,160
Starlight and the Princess of 
Hell also. 

2040
01:41:45,160 --> 01:41:48,840
Confirm that he. 
Can't be charged up the way that

2041
01:41:48,840 --> 01:41:50,200
Bryce can, right? 
So. 

2042
01:41:50,400 --> 01:41:54,480
So Hunt asks can I do the same 
for Room when they learn that 

2043
01:41:54,480 --> 01:41:58,560
Hunt is a backup battery for 
Bryce and then a toe says no. 

2044
01:41:59,360 --> 01:42:02,200
The Prince's Light, his affinity
for these thin places isn't 

2045
01:42:02,200 --> 01:42:07,480
strong enough, not like hers. 
We know that Bryce inherited 

2046
01:42:07,480 --> 01:42:11,000
Helena's third of power 
genetically, and we know this 

2047
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:14,120
because Ada said when they were 
in hell, I'd say you had a third

2048
01:42:14,120 --> 01:42:16,960
of Thea's power already. 
The part that originally was 

2049
01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:19,960
given to Helena, that came down 
to you through Helena's 

2050
01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:23,480
bloodline, and you took another 
third from where Celine stashed 

2051
01:42:23,480 --> 01:42:25,120
it. 
But if you can find the last 

2052
01:42:25,120 --> 01:42:28,080
third, the part that they 
originally kept for herself, I 

2053
01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:30,320
wonder how your light might 
appear then, what it might do. 

2054
01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:34,680
So we learned from this line 
that Bryce inherits Helena's 

2055
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:40,840
third, and that Celine stashed 
the 3rd that Thea gave her in 

2056
01:42:40,840 --> 01:42:44,400
the prison, and Helena stashed 
the third that Thea kept for 

2057
01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:46,960
herself as she originally hid in
the Star Sword. 

2058
01:42:47,120 --> 01:42:50,040
Elena took that and stashed it 
in a Valin. 

2059
01:42:50,480 --> 01:42:53,000
This is surprisingly hard to 
keep up with in the book, so I'm

2060
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:56,320
just laying it out simply so as 
she's learning all of this, 

2061
01:42:56,520 --> 01:42:59,000
Bryce and Hunt are like trying 
to keep up, and Hunt is like. 

2062
01:42:59,000 --> 01:43:01,960
So to unite the sword and the 
knife, Bryce needs to find the 

2063
01:43:01,960 --> 01:43:05,080
Starlight that Helena took from 
the Star Sword, the last third 

2064
01:43:05,080 --> 01:43:07,800
of Thea's power, which is 
stashed somewhere in a Valin and

2065
01:43:07,800 --> 01:43:09,320
the Princess, they're like Yep, 
good luck. 

2066
01:43:09,440 --> 01:43:11,080
So she goes and does that, 
luckily. 

2067
01:43:11,800 --> 01:43:14,240
So why does this matter? 
We know from the statement that 

2068
01:43:14,240 --> 01:43:19,920
whatever was given to each of 
the two sisters, Celine and 

2069
01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:23,680
Helena, was what would have been
passed down genetically, and it 

2070
01:43:23,680 --> 01:43:26,440
was passed down genetically 
through Helena. 

2071
01:43:26,520 --> 01:43:30,360
We know that Celine put her 
portion into the prison, but 

2072
01:43:30,360 --> 01:43:32,000
Helena didn't put her portion 
anywhere. 

2073
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:35,040
Helena just had it. 
Yeah, because Bryce has it now. 

2074
01:43:35,200 --> 01:43:38,160
So I am once again thinking that
the Autumn King is not Starborn.

2075
01:43:38,760 --> 01:43:41,360
Here's why. 
And the reason is so the reason 

2076
01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:44,640
is that Rune, two things. 
One, Rune has barely, barely 

2077
01:43:44,640 --> 01:43:46,760
anything these Bryce's kin, 
right? 

2078
01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:50,440
And two, Rune looks, we'll talk 
about this more. 

2079
01:43:50,680 --> 01:43:54,400
Exactly like Reese. 
Exactly like Reese who is 

2080
01:43:54,400 --> 01:43:58,360
descended from Celine's line. 
If Rune's mother is of Celine's 

2081
01:43:58,360 --> 01:44:00,160
line, however, that happens, 
right? 

2082
01:44:00,200 --> 01:44:02,360
How far back it goes? 
I don't really care how far back

2083
01:44:02,360 --> 01:44:04,200
it goes. 
Celine's line would have 

2084
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:06,720
basically nothing coming from 
it, right? 

2085
01:44:06,720 --> 01:44:08,440
Would have basically nothing. 
Because she gave it. 

2086
01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:11,120
She before she had children, she
put it away. 

2087
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:13,960
She put it away immediately. 
She stashed the Starlight. 

2088
01:44:14,080 --> 01:44:17,560
Yeah, she put away Thea's part, 
but she still had her own 

2089
01:44:17,560 --> 01:44:19,400
Starlight. 
Because her son glowed with the 

2090
01:44:19,400 --> 01:44:23,160
light of the Evening star. 
So this is where it actually 

2091
01:44:23,160 --> 01:44:25,000
gets kind of tricky. 
Because Bryce. 

2092
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:28,000
Gets. 
Thea's Starlight. 

2093
01:44:28,280 --> 01:44:29,440
Yeah. 
From Helena. 

2094
01:44:29,720 --> 01:44:32,000
Yeah. 
Who kept Thea's Starlight in 

2095
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:34,680
her? 
Celine puts Thea's Starlight 

2096
01:44:34,720 --> 01:44:36,880
away. 
So we don't really know how 

2097
01:44:36,880 --> 01:44:41,720
strong Helena's own Starlight 
genetically would have been. 

2098
01:44:41,720 --> 01:44:44,640
So Celine maybe had like, her 
own Starlight, but maybe it was 

2099
01:44:44,640 --> 01:44:46,880
pretty weak. 
Maybe it was like, not because 

2100
01:44:46,880 --> 01:44:48,440
she said her son sometimes 
glowed. 

2101
01:44:48,680 --> 01:44:51,240
Like occasionally glowed. 
No. 

2102
01:44:51,360 --> 01:44:54,440
OK, so I see what you're saying.
So Bryce has Helena. 

2103
01:44:54,760 --> 01:44:58,640
Thea split up her star, right? 
She put a third in Helena, she 

2104
01:44:58,640 --> 01:45:02,000
put a third in Celine and she 
put a third in the star sword. 

2105
01:45:02,320 --> 01:45:05,200
Helena took Thea's third from 
the star sword to put it in a 

2106
01:45:05,200 --> 01:45:10,520
ball in, but she kept the 3rd 
that she had from Thea and that 

2107
01:45:10,520 --> 01:45:14,640
eventually ends up in Bryce. 
Ada says yeah, the part that was

2108
01:45:14,640 --> 01:45:16,120
originally given to Helena, 
that. 

2109
01:45:16,120 --> 01:45:20,120
Came down to you through 
Helena's bloodline, which makes 

2110
01:45:20,120 --> 01:45:23,520
me wonder what could have come 
down through Celine because 

2111
01:45:23,520 --> 01:45:24,760
we've not seen much. 
Yeah. 

2112
01:45:24,800 --> 01:45:26,680
In Celine's blood. 
Yeah, right. 

2113
01:45:26,760 --> 01:45:28,040
Yeah. 
I see what you're saying Yeah. 

2114
01:45:28,120 --> 01:45:30,280
Very, very little actually. 
Yeah. 

2115
01:45:30,280 --> 01:45:32,920
So it would make. 
Sense right if what Rune got. 

2116
01:45:32,920 --> 01:45:36,520
Was like what Celine had. 
I'm kind of thinking it's I'm 

2117
01:45:36,520 --> 01:45:39,640
thinking it's Celine, which 
would mean which would be crazy,

2118
01:45:39,640 --> 01:45:41,000
right? 
Like it would mean that Lauren 

2119
01:45:41,000 --> 01:45:44,520
would have to have somehow have 
a connection to Prithian. 

2120
01:45:44,680 --> 01:45:47,560
And I like, I don't know that 
I'm necessarily hanging my hat 

2121
01:45:47,560 --> 01:45:50,280
on a near term connection to 
Prithian, but it would mean that

2122
01:45:50,280 --> 01:45:55,120
Lauren would how have to be from
Celine's line and it would have 

2123
01:45:55,120 --> 01:45:59,040
to mean that Ember is of 
Helenus, which is even crazier. 

2124
01:45:59,160 --> 01:46:00,560
I don't know how this would all 
work. 

2125
01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:03,520
I do not know, but this is the 
only thing that is making sense.

2126
01:46:03,560 --> 01:46:08,360
Unless, unless Cormac at one 
point said that their lines 

2127
01:46:08,360 --> 01:46:11,160
crossed, right? 
Long time ago, the Autumn Kings 

2128
01:46:11,160 --> 01:46:13,600
lines crossed with Morbin's 
lines. 

2129
01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:18,480
So if the Autumn King has a tiny
bit of Helena's through that 

2130
01:46:18,480 --> 01:46:21,880
line, through a volumes line, 
through Morbin's lines, and he 

2131
01:46:21,880 --> 01:46:25,360
gave that tiny bit to Rune, it 
would still mean that Ember 

2132
01:46:25,360 --> 01:46:28,280
would have to have something 
going on, probably. 

2133
01:46:28,280 --> 01:46:30,360
But at least that would maybe 
mean that Lauren doesn't have to

2134
01:46:30,360 --> 01:46:31,880
be connected to Prithean. 
Yeah. 

2135
01:46:32,120 --> 01:46:33,760
And I think we will talk about 
it more in our room. 

2136
01:46:33,760 --> 01:46:35,520
Deep dive. 
Which is totally fine. 

2137
01:46:36,920 --> 01:46:43,320
I believe that Rydulis says that
Rune has Pelleus's Starlight. 

2138
01:46:43,520 --> 01:46:46,560
Which again, could be a lie. 
But opens up a big question 

2139
01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:49,680
about if Pelleus had Starlight, 
how did he get it? 

2140
01:46:49,800 --> 01:46:54,160
Where did it come from? 
And is is that the Starlight 

2141
01:46:54,160 --> 01:46:55,640
that Rune has? 
So and. 

2142
01:46:55,960 --> 01:46:57,480
That would work. 
Yeah, I don't know. 

2143
01:46:57,480 --> 01:47:00,320
Definitely think it's I. 
Definitely think it's a 

2144
01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:02,400
different. 
Starlight because also then rune

2145
01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:03,520
is. 
Able to heal. 

2146
01:47:04,080 --> 01:47:06,720
When he takes the antidote and 
we have no indication that Bryce

2147
01:47:06,720 --> 01:47:09,080
can heal right? 
So it does seem like they are 

2148
01:47:10,640 --> 01:47:12,600
different starlights in some 
way. 

2149
01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:14,640
And I'm sure we'll explore that 
more. 

2150
01:47:14,640 --> 01:47:17,280
As the season goes on, that's 
all I have to say about that 

2151
01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:20,320
right now. 
All right, next question, Abby, 

2152
01:47:20,320 --> 01:47:22,480
why does the star born line seem
to be? 

2153
01:47:22,480 --> 01:47:25,720
Stronger in females than males, 
right? 

2154
01:47:25,920 --> 01:47:29,200
So I wrote I have like the 
beginnings of an idea here, and 

2155
01:47:29,200 --> 01:47:30,760
it's. 
Not fully formed, but maybe you 

2156
01:47:30,760 --> 01:47:32,120
can. 
Maybe you can help me out. 

2157
01:47:34,720 --> 01:47:37,280
OK, so we know, as we just 
talked about, that males can be 

2158
01:47:37,280 --> 01:47:38,680
*. 
Worn so rune is. 

2159
01:47:38,680 --> 01:47:41,360
An example, we have Celine's 
son, right? 

2160
01:47:41,360 --> 01:47:45,040
So, but as you just said that he
he occasionally glowed, he 

2161
01:47:45,040 --> 01:47:50,320
didn't always glow. 
And then we think that Nix is 

2162
01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:52,000
also going to have the starborn 
power. 

2163
01:47:52,000 --> 01:47:55,040
And the reason we think that is 
the baby whom recent Farrah 

2164
01:47:55,040 --> 01:47:57,880
named Nix was as beautiful as 
anyone could ever dream a baby 

2165
01:47:57,880 --> 01:47:59,880
to be. 
Dark hair with blue eyes that 

2166
01:47:59,880 --> 01:48:03,400
already glowed with his father 
and mother, Starlight offsetting

2167
01:48:03,400 --> 01:48:06,240
the light tan of his skin. 
Also, once again, that is like 

2168
01:48:06,520 --> 01:48:09,560
the Vesperus look once again 
passed on through this baby, 

2169
01:48:09,560 --> 01:48:11,440
right? 
So we have potentially next, but

2170
01:48:11,440 --> 01:48:16,960
in general the strongest, the 
strongest manifestations of 

2171
01:48:16,960 --> 01:48:19,200
these of these. 
Powers seem to be Thea. 

2172
01:48:19,200 --> 01:48:24,480
Helena Celine and Bryce 
Rigelous, Sorry, Rigelous when 

2173
01:48:24,480 --> 01:48:28,280
he is interpreted and he is 
pretending to be Adas says 

2174
01:48:28,280 --> 01:48:31,280
implies that there's something 
about being female and having 

2175
01:48:31,280 --> 01:48:34,080
this power right? 
So he says Thea was dead by that

2176
01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:36,600
point, Ada said flatly. 
Pelleus slew her. 

2177
01:48:36,760 --> 01:48:40,640
He nodded to the star sword in 
Bruins hand and stole her blade.

2178
01:48:40,640 --> 01:48:44,200
When he'd finished he snarled. 
That sword belongs to Thea's 

2179
01:48:44,200 --> 01:48:47,440
female heir, not the male 
offspring who corrupted her 

2180
01:48:47,440 --> 01:48:50,560
line, right? 
So is this power stronger in 

2181
01:48:50,560 --> 01:48:53,440
females than males? 
What would be the reason for 

2182
01:48:53,440 --> 01:48:57,800
that? 
I think there's a piece of this 

2183
01:48:57,800 --> 01:49:00,920
star Warren power that we 
haven't talked about yet that is

2184
01:49:00,960 --> 01:49:03,640
very important. 
And we see it happen twice. 

2185
01:49:03,640 --> 01:49:06,560
We see it happen with Celine and
we see it happen with Bryce. 

2186
01:49:06,680 --> 01:49:11,640
So when Bryce claims that second
third of Faya star, she is able 

2187
01:49:11,640 --> 01:49:16,280
to control the island, right? 
So she can literally shape the 

2188
01:49:16,280 --> 01:49:19,920
island to her? 
Well, I said bear with me. 

2189
01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:22,240
This is a lot of quotes, but I 
think they're all important. 

2190
01:49:22,240 --> 01:49:26,440
So like a small sun emerging 
from the stone itself, a ball of

2191
01:49:26,440 --> 01:49:29,240
light burst from the floor. 
A star twin to the one in 

2192
01:49:29,240 --> 01:49:31,680
Bryce's chest. 
Her Starlight at last awoke 

2193
01:49:31,680 --> 01:49:35,000
again, as if reaching out with 
shining fingers for that star 

2194
01:49:35,000 --> 01:49:38,040
hovering inches away. 
With trembling hands, Bryce 

2195
01:49:38,040 --> 01:49:40,400
guided the star to the one 
gleaming on her chest. 

2196
01:49:40,400 --> 01:49:43,160
Into her body. 
White light erupted everywhere. 

2197
01:49:43,440 --> 01:49:46,360
Power, uncut and ancient, 
scorched through her veins that 

2198
01:49:46,360 --> 01:49:48,600
the hair on her head rose. 
Blah, blah blah, we've already 

2199
01:49:48,600 --> 01:49:50,240
read this. 
She was the Evening Star. 

2200
01:49:50,240 --> 01:49:51,800
Etcetera, She was the Evening 
Star. 

2201
01:49:51,800 --> 01:49:53,600
In the last phrase of color 
before the Dark. 

2202
01:49:53,640 --> 01:49:55,800
Azrael had nearly reached the 
tunnel. 

2203
01:49:55,960 --> 01:49:58,680
Another flap of his wings and 
he'd be swallowed by its dark 

2204
01:49:58,680 --> 01:50:00,600
mouth. 
But at a mere thought from 

2205
01:50:00,600 --> 01:50:04,480
Bryce, stalactites and 
stalagmites formed, closing in 

2206
01:50:04,480 --> 01:50:07,400
on him. 
The room became a wolf, its jaws

2207
01:50:07,400 --> 01:50:11,800
snapping for the winged warrior.
The rock had moved for her as it

2208
01:50:11,800 --> 01:50:13,920
had for Celine. 
Stop him. 

2209
01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:16,480
She said in a voice that was 
more like her father's than 

2210
01:50:16,480 --> 01:50:18,360
anything she'd ever heard come 
out of her mouth. 

2211
01:50:18,440 --> 01:50:22,160
Azrael swept for the tunnel and 
slammed into a wall of stone the

2212
01:50:22,160 --> 01:50:25,120
exit had sealed. 
Bryce lifted a hand and spike 

2213
01:50:25,120 --> 01:50:28,240
after spike of rock ruptured 
from the ground, blocking nest 

2214
01:50:28,240 --> 01:50:30,680
as advance. 
The chamber shuttered again. 

2215
01:50:30,880 --> 01:50:34,200
From far away she could sense 
it, the things lurking within 

2216
01:50:34,200 --> 01:50:36,480
the mountain. 
Her mountain twisted wretched 

2217
01:50:36,480 --> 01:50:38,240
creatures. 
She says it's her mountain, 

2218
01:50:38,440 --> 01:50:40,320
right? 
She says her mountain twisted 

2219
01:50:40,320 --> 01:50:43,160
wretched creatures. 
Some had been here since Celine 

2220
01:50:43,160 --> 01:50:45,880
had trapped them, had been 
contemplating their escape and 

2221
01:50:45,880 --> 01:50:48,360
revenge all this time. 
She let them out, if she 

2222
01:50:48,360 --> 01:50:50,200
restored the onto its former 
glory. 

2223
01:50:50,200 --> 01:50:53,080
And in that mountain, in that 
moment, the mountain, the 

2224
01:50:53,120 --> 01:50:56,840
island, spoke to her alone. 
It was so alone it had been 

2225
01:50:56,840 --> 01:51:00,200
waiting all this time, cold and 
adrift in this thrashing Gray 

2226
01:51:00,200 --> 01:51:02,280
sea. 
If she could reach out, if she 

2227
01:51:02,280 --> 01:51:04,720
could open her heart to it, it 
might sing again. 

2228
01:51:04,880 --> 01:51:06,960
Awaken. 
There was a beating, vibrant 

2229
01:51:06,960 --> 01:51:08,880
heart locked away far beneath 
them. 

2230
01:51:08,880 --> 01:51:12,160
If she freed it, the land would 
rise from its slumber, and such 

2231
01:51:12,160 --> 01:51:14,040
wonders would spring again from 
this earth. 

2232
01:51:14,240 --> 01:51:16,440
So this is what happens with 
Avalon, right? 

2233
01:51:16,640 --> 01:51:20,280
And we're seeing here that she 
can actually hear the land and 

2234
01:51:20,280 --> 01:51:26,000
like, terraform the land. 
It feels very Mother Earth kind.

2235
01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:29,160
Of like Gaia I. 
Don't know, like it feels like 

2236
01:51:29,240 --> 01:51:33,560
the creation of planets 
basically right, Like is that 

2237
01:51:33,560 --> 01:51:35,840
what this star born power 
actually is? 

2238
01:51:35,840 --> 01:51:38,840
Is she able to have this 
connection to the land and like 

2239
01:51:39,040 --> 01:51:42,840
just create and that that feels 
inherently female, right? 

2240
01:51:42,840 --> 01:51:45,320
It feels inherently like life 
bringing. 

2241
01:51:45,360 --> 01:51:48,080
I don't know if that's like like
strong enough for an answer to 

2242
01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:51,720
this question, but like I think 
this is a crazy part of her 

2243
01:51:51,720 --> 01:51:55,520
power that has kind of been like
just like glossed over so far. 

2244
01:51:55,520 --> 01:51:57,600
Obviously, I hope we get more of
it in book 4. 

2245
01:51:59,080 --> 01:52:01,000
I don't know, that's kind of my 
thinking. 

2246
01:52:01,080 --> 01:52:03,000
Very pre God what? 
Do you think Yeah, I. 

2247
01:52:03,000 --> 01:52:05,720
Didn't land in like a very solid
place on this one. 

2248
01:52:05,840 --> 01:52:08,240
I'm. 
Wondering to your point earlier 

2249
01:52:08,240 --> 01:52:11,200
on, like are there other star 
born lines? 

2250
01:52:11,720 --> 01:52:17,160
Is is because this is a female 
line. 

2251
01:52:17,280 --> 01:52:21,000
This line manifests most 
strongly in females. 

2252
01:52:21,000 --> 01:52:23,280
But does that always have to be 
the case? 

2253
01:52:23,280 --> 01:52:25,000
Yeah, I don't know. 
Yeah, I don't know. 

2254
01:52:25,480 --> 01:52:27,720
Yeah, because it's it. 
It is interesting. 

2255
01:52:28,200 --> 01:52:29,760
We've talked about this before, 
right? 

2256
01:52:29,960 --> 01:52:33,320
But like, it is interesting that
we have the fact that it 

2257
01:52:33,320 --> 01:52:36,880
manifests most strongly in 
females, but then on Prythian, 

2258
01:52:36,920 --> 01:52:40,720
females are suppressed from 
Selena onwards, Right? 

2259
01:52:40,720 --> 01:52:44,160
Like she basically makes it so 
that's the case almost as like 

2260
01:52:44,200 --> 01:52:47,160
punishment for herself, but then
she decides to punish like, 

2261
01:52:47,160 --> 01:52:49,840
future generations and on a 
violin, too. 

2262
01:52:49,960 --> 01:52:51,520
Yeah. 
I mean, it's the same thing. 

2263
01:52:51,680 --> 01:52:56,520
Yeah, yeah. 
So I I thought it my. 

2264
01:52:56,520 --> 01:53:01,640
My thought is because it is 
Thea's line that it is in Thea's

2265
01:53:01,720 --> 01:53:04,520
power, maybe even Vesperos's 
power, but I don't really know 

2266
01:53:04,520 --> 01:53:07,360
how much genders like matter for
austerity, matter for the 

2267
01:53:07,360 --> 01:53:10,080
austerity. 
Anybody I don't know, I don't 

2268
01:53:10,080 --> 01:53:11,960
have a great answer for. 
This one because Sarah Dumas. 

2269
01:53:12,040 --> 01:53:14,440
Also just tends to write much 
stronger women. 

2270
01:53:15,480 --> 01:53:19,320
I agree it might just be a girl 
power thing. 

2271
01:53:19,800 --> 01:53:22,120
Yeah. 
Like, yeah, we're not talking 

2272
01:53:22,120 --> 01:53:23,520
about this series right now, 
but. 

2273
01:53:23,800 --> 01:53:26,680
The series, we're not talking 
about woman in that one force of

2274
01:53:26,680 --> 01:53:29,320
nature. 
So yes, yeah. 

2275
01:53:29,600 --> 01:53:32,080
So I don't know, but it could 
be. 

2276
01:53:32,080 --> 01:53:35,120
Could be a Mother Earth thing. 
Could just be because we like 

2277
01:53:35,120 --> 01:53:36,840
women here. 
Could be Mother Earth. 

2278
01:53:37,200 --> 01:53:42,200
I like the Mother Earth thought.
And yeah, Asteri are. 

2279
01:53:42,400 --> 01:53:44,800
Gendered, I guess, because. 
Sirius was a her. 

2280
01:53:44,960 --> 01:53:47,520
Yeah, I don't know. 
Well, they just choose bodies. 

2281
01:53:47,520 --> 01:53:49,120
I don't know. 
I don't know that it's 

2282
01:53:49,120 --> 01:53:50,680
permanent, right? 
Like. 

2283
01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:55,120
Rigeless is a fae male here, but
what was he on Aurelia, you 

2284
01:53:55,120 --> 01:53:56,920
know? 
Well, allegedly that because 

2285
01:53:56,920 --> 01:53:59,000
Bryce recognizes him, but I 
don't know. 

2286
01:53:59,160 --> 01:54:00,120
Yeah. 
That's true. 

2287
01:54:00,400 --> 01:54:03,040
That's true. 
Hate that? 

2288
01:54:03,040 --> 01:54:06,720
Detail, but you know. 
All right, Ronnie, why can some?

2289
01:54:06,720 --> 01:54:08,800
Star born fight Winnow, wheeled 
shadows and mine. 

2290
01:54:08,800 --> 01:54:14,160
Speak but others cannot. 
I think the simple answer to 

2291
01:54:14,160 --> 01:54:15,400
this. 
Is for the. 

2292
01:54:15,400 --> 01:54:19,800
Most part because Celine and 
Helena could and the line is 

2293
01:54:20,160 --> 01:54:23,760
descended from them. 
And then Bryce again. 

2294
01:54:24,280 --> 01:54:25,800
I think something's going on 
with Ember. 

2295
01:54:26,280 --> 01:54:28,960
I think that's what's going on. 
But we can talk about it. 

2296
01:54:29,200 --> 01:54:34,200
Maybe we can just start with all
of these star born powers are 

2297
01:54:34,200 --> 01:54:37,880
mostly linked to a Volun and 
what's most notable is that 

2298
01:54:37,880 --> 01:54:41,320
Bryce's seems this is really the
only one missing them and Bryce 

2299
01:54:41,320 --> 01:54:44,480
does not have a Volun lineage so
of all. 

2300
01:54:44,480 --> 01:54:48,600
And of course like most of of 
all and is tied to Helena. 

2301
01:54:48,600 --> 01:54:51,360
And we know that Selena at least
was Damati. 

2302
01:54:51,360 --> 01:54:56,920
I think we can infer that Helena
was probably Damati at least had

2303
01:54:57,040 --> 01:54:59,120
the ability to pass on. 
Damati Genetics. 

2304
01:54:59,240 --> 01:55:03,040
Probably if Selene received them
I'm assuming. 

2305
01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:08,400
And we know that the De Madi 
abilities are associated heavily

2306
01:55:08,400 --> 01:55:11,600
with the Starborn and the evol 
in Faye. 

2307
01:55:11,600 --> 01:55:14,160
Because Bryce says like this 
whole section is about your 

2308
01:55:14,160 --> 01:55:16,560
fancy of all and cousins shadow 
walking mind reading. 

2309
01:55:16,560 --> 01:55:19,120
I'm surprised they don't claim 
they are starborn. 

2310
01:55:19,440 --> 01:55:23,320
Like these things just are 
lumped together in the scope of 

2311
01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:27,240
being Starborn. 
De Madi is just part of that. 

2312
01:55:27,240 --> 01:55:31,640
Again, I think that Bryce might 
have hints of this gift because 

2313
01:55:31,640 --> 01:55:34,920
Sarah J Mass has decided to 
throw a she must have voiced her

2314
01:55:34,920 --> 01:55:39,280
thoughts aloud moment at us, 
which authors love to do. 

2315
01:55:39,480 --> 01:55:44,400
We also have the dreamscape 
situation happening with Rune, 

2316
01:55:44,560 --> 01:55:46,920
right? 
Again, I'm not super clear 

2317
01:55:47,080 --> 01:55:50,880
whether Rune is purely Evol and 
whether something else is going 

2318
01:55:50,880 --> 01:55:53,160
on there, whether he's linked to
Prithean, but Lauren is said to 

2319
01:55:53,160 --> 01:55:55,760
be from Evol and right, I think 
we can let's just say, but 

2320
01:55:55,760 --> 01:55:59,520
Lauren is from Evol and Rune is 
able to communicate with Lydia 

2321
01:55:59,560 --> 01:56:05,280
in dreams across an ocean. 
Like, yeah, yeah, that's not 

2322
01:56:05,280 --> 01:56:08,680
like Damati power in Prithean. 
Still requires. 

2323
01:56:09,120 --> 01:56:11,680
Proximity, right? 
And we see a little bit of that 

2324
01:56:11,680 --> 01:56:14,680
with Reese and Farah too, right 
when he's under the mountain and

2325
01:56:14,680 --> 01:56:17,680
she is in the human realm and 
they're kind of seeing each 

2326
01:56:17,680 --> 01:56:20,640
other's dreams as well. 
What is this dreamscape? 

2327
01:56:20,880 --> 01:56:23,720
We are only seeing it when the 
Princess of Hell visit. 

2328
01:56:23,840 --> 01:56:25,360
Yeah. 
So I think that's another point 

2329
01:56:25,360 --> 01:56:28,520
for. 
Is hell involved in the Starborn

2330
01:56:28,520 --> 01:56:30,280
line? 
I think so that's kind of where 

2331
01:56:30,280 --> 01:56:31,440
this is going but let's 
continue. 

2332
01:56:31,720 --> 01:56:35,520
So Damati, Damati, the people 
who are Damati seem to also be 

2333
01:56:35,520 --> 01:56:39,200
able to communicate in dreams, 
and the only people who are 

2334
01:56:39,200 --> 01:56:42,280
communicating in dreams other 
than the Damati people are 

2335
01:56:42,440 --> 01:56:43,880
Princess of Hell. 
So there's that. 

2336
01:56:43,960 --> 01:56:47,640
Well, Vasperis does say she saw 
the middle in her dreams. 

2337
01:56:47,720 --> 01:56:49,160
Vasperis. 
Does say she saw the middle in 

2338
01:56:49,160 --> 01:56:52,360
her dreams she was. 
Sitting underground in 1/2 

2339
01:56:52,360 --> 01:56:56,240
stupor for 15,000 years and saw 
the middle. 

2340
01:56:56,520 --> 01:56:58,920
That's true. 
And she saw Thea dancing on her 

2341
01:56:58,920 --> 01:57:00,520
grave. 
Yeah, I just I. 

2342
01:57:00,520 --> 01:57:01,200
Don't know. 
Yeah. 

2343
01:57:01,480 --> 01:57:03,360
Yeah. 
OK, So the Asteria and the 

2344
01:57:03,360 --> 01:57:05,520
Princess of Hell, the Princess 
of Hell are for sure 

2345
01:57:05,520 --> 01:57:08,360
communicating. 
Dreams and the hysteria right at

2346
01:57:08,360 --> 01:57:12,040
least see things in dreams it 
does seem to be right exactly 2 

2347
01:57:12,040 --> 01:57:14,080
slightly different powers the 
Princess of. 

2348
01:57:14,080 --> 01:57:17,840
Hell, exactly like Rune, exactly
like you said, can talk to 

2349
01:57:17,840 --> 01:57:21,320
people through their dreams. 
But then what Reese is doing and

2350
01:57:21,320 --> 01:57:24,880
what Vesperus seems to be doing 
is seeing the world through 

2351
01:57:24,880 --> 01:57:26,720
dreams, right? 
Because Reese says he saw 

2352
01:57:26,720 --> 01:57:29,120
Pharaoh painting. 
He saw Pharaoh shoot the wolf. 

2353
01:57:29,360 --> 01:57:33,200
He wasn't talking to her. 
And it wasn't her dreams, right?

2354
01:57:33,200 --> 01:57:36,480
It was the real world, which is 
what Vesperus is doing too, 

2355
01:57:36,480 --> 01:57:38,360
which is kind of crazy. 
Yeah. 

2356
01:57:38,480 --> 01:57:42,640
And if she is tied to the land 
and. 

2357
01:57:42,640 --> 01:57:46,920
Or any of these beings that she 
has made, then that could also 

2358
01:57:46,920 --> 01:57:50,760
explain how she's seeing it. 
But then I don't know, Like, do 

2359
01:57:50,760 --> 01:57:53,840
you have a shared consciousness 
with anything that you've 

2360
01:57:53,840 --> 01:57:55,480
created? 
Like, that's a terrifying 

2361
01:57:55,480 --> 01:57:56,840
thought. 
So I don't know. 

2362
01:57:58,720 --> 01:58:00,920
Yeah. 
So in conclusion, I think mind. 

2363
01:58:00,920 --> 01:58:04,320
Speaking dream Speaking. 
Definitely links to the Star 

2364
01:58:04,320 --> 01:58:07,760
born. 
Also links to definitely Hell. 

2365
01:58:07,880 --> 01:58:11,360
Also a Steri. 
Sort of, but not necessarily in 

2366
01:58:11,360 --> 01:58:13,320
the same capacity. 
Like what Rune and Lydia are 

2367
01:58:13,320 --> 01:58:16,120
doing are much closer to what 
Apollyon is coming and doing 

2368
01:58:16,120 --> 01:58:19,760
with Bryce and Hunt. 
I will say it's interesting that

2369
01:58:19,760 --> 01:58:22,080
Lydia is also able to do it. 
I'll just leave it there. 

2370
01:58:22,080 --> 01:58:25,600
I will say that too. 
I will say that too. 

2371
01:58:26,840 --> 01:58:27,880
Yep. 
All right. 

2372
01:58:28,040 --> 01:58:30,560
Shadows so. 
This is where it gets 

2373
01:58:30,560 --> 01:58:32,160
interesting, right? 
I think this is where it gets 

2374
01:58:32,160 --> 01:58:34,560
interesting. 
Rune's shadow abilities are 

2375
01:58:34,560 --> 01:58:36,360
crazy. 
I think his shadow abilities are

2376
01:58:36,360 --> 01:58:39,680
crazy. 
He can shadow walk, which we 

2377
01:58:39,680 --> 01:58:41,600
just kind of gloss over, but he 
can do it. 

2378
01:58:42,200 --> 01:58:44,000
And he thinks they're more 
interesting. 

2379
01:58:44,120 --> 01:58:46,000
I frankly think they're more 
interesting than the Starlight, 

2380
01:58:46,000 --> 01:58:48,080
too. 
He says his starboard abilities 

2381
01:58:48,080 --> 01:58:50,520
were little more than a sparkle 
of Starlight in his palm. 

2382
01:58:50,760 --> 01:58:53,160
His shadow talents were the more
interesting gift. 

2383
01:58:53,280 --> 01:58:57,000
Even the temperature monitors on
the high tech cameras in this 

2384
01:58:57,000 --> 01:59:00,440
city couldn't detect him when he
shadow walked. 

2385
01:59:00,640 --> 01:59:02,960
The only shadow walking that 
we've seen that's even 

2386
01:59:02,960 --> 01:59:05,240
comparable is from Azrael, 
right? 

2387
01:59:05,240 --> 01:59:07,840
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
So he can become a shadow. 

2388
01:59:07,840 --> 01:59:10,000
He can become shadows 
themselves. 

2389
01:59:10,240 --> 01:59:15,920
Let's do that there. 
All right, so Rune can wield 

2390
01:59:15,920 --> 01:59:19,320
shadows, can shadow walk, can 
become a shadow, can become 

2391
01:59:19,320 --> 01:59:22,640
basically invisible to not only 
the naked eye, but literally to 

2392
01:59:23,000 --> 01:59:25,280
temperature sensors. 
He's like barely human in that 

2393
01:59:25,280 --> 01:59:27,520
moment, just borderline shape 
shifting. 

2394
01:59:27,520 --> 01:59:29,800
It's very, very confusing, very 
bizarre. 

2395
01:59:30,000 --> 01:59:33,840
And the Princess of Hell can be 
shadows in front of hunt cells 

2396
01:59:33,920 --> 01:59:38,360
as well. 
And Rigelous, Rigelous says that

2397
01:59:38,360 --> 01:59:40,960
the Princess of Hell are shadows
when he is talking to Bryce, 

2398
01:59:40,960 --> 01:59:42,880
right? 
So he says, have you been 

2399
01:59:42,880 --> 01:59:46,000
talking to shadows when he's 
asked about the black crown? 

2400
01:59:46,160 --> 01:59:51,600
So again, feeling linked to hell
ish, sort of feeling very hell 

2401
01:59:52,280 --> 01:59:56,160
feeling, feeling a little hell. 
Cormac shadows are Wilder. 

2402
01:59:56,160 --> 01:59:59,480
They're said to be Wilder and 
they seem to actually help him 

2403
01:59:59,720 --> 02:00:01,560
winnow, right? 
Rune can't winnow. 

2404
02:00:01,560 --> 02:00:04,320
We haven't seen him winnow in 
the House of Sky and Breath 

2405
02:00:04,320 --> 02:00:06,680
Chapter 4. 
Bryce describes them as 

2406
02:00:06,680 --> 02:00:09,560
different, right? 
Shadows also swirled behind 

2407
02:00:09,560 --> 02:00:13,760
Cormac, darker, Wilder than 
runes, like a Stampede of 

2408
02:00:13,760 --> 02:00:16,320
stallions waiting to gallop over
all of them. 

2409
02:00:16,360 --> 02:00:17,840
I wanted to confirm that she is 
the gift. 

2410
02:00:17,840 --> 02:00:20,160
Thank you for. 
Demonstrating, he sat 1 foot 

2411
02:00:20,160 --> 02:00:23,120
into those untamed shadows, 
bowed his head to Bryce. 

2412
02:00:23,120 --> 02:00:25,840
I'll see you at the altar. 
Bryce's star winked out the 

2413
02:00:25,840 --> 02:00:29,560
moment he vanished, leaving only
drifted drifting embers behind. 

2414
02:00:29,720 --> 02:00:32,320
What I think is interesting 
about this, Cormac can can 

2415
02:00:32,320 --> 02:00:34,880
definitely win out right? 
Like he's he's the one who 

2416
02:00:34,880 --> 02:00:39,280
teaches Bryce how to win him. 
In this quote, it sounds like he

2417
02:00:39,280 --> 02:00:41,560
is stepping into his shadows to 
disappear. 

2418
02:00:42,480 --> 02:00:45,240
I don't know whether that was 
just like, a fun detail, 

2419
02:00:45,280 --> 02:00:47,200
artistic flourish. 
Yeah, yeah. 

2420
02:00:47,560 --> 02:00:50,160
Whether it was a little. 
You know, flick of the 

2421
02:00:50,160 --> 02:00:54,160
paintbrush. 
But we are told by Bryce right 

2422
02:00:54,160 --> 02:00:58,080
that as real shadows look more 
like Cormac shadows then runes 

2423
02:00:58,080 --> 02:01:00,040
shadows. 
And we know that what as real is

2424
02:01:00,040 --> 02:01:03,600
doing is not quite winnowing. 
It is not winnowing the way that

2425
02:01:03,600 --> 02:01:07,480
other people are winnowing. 
So shadows are very interesting 

2426
02:01:07,480 --> 02:01:09,560
in this capacity for two 
reasons, right? 

2427
02:01:09,560 --> 02:01:12,440
One, because they're more linked
to hell than they were linked to

2428
02:01:12,440 --> 02:01:14,800
the Asteri. 
Like how did how did shadows end

2429
02:01:14,800 --> 02:01:17,440
up in this line? 
But two, how did they end up in 

2430
02:01:17,440 --> 02:01:20,200
an Illyrian line? 
Like if these come from Celine 

2431
02:01:20,200 --> 02:01:22,440
and Helena, which I think that 
they do, right? 

2432
02:01:22,440 --> 02:01:26,240
Because Celine tells us we bore 
the shadows as well as the light

2433
02:01:26,240 --> 02:01:29,400
and that is how we hid in the 
enemy stronghold and found out 

2434
02:01:29,520 --> 02:01:31,920
everything we knew about the 
Asteri. 

2435
02:01:32,080 --> 02:01:34,440
How did their power end up in an
Illyrian line? 

2436
02:01:34,680 --> 02:01:36,880
I don't have the answer, just 
positioning the question. 

2437
02:01:37,600 --> 02:01:40,160
Or did Apollyon pay a visit to 
Ezreal in the dungeons? 

2438
02:01:40,160 --> 02:01:41,000
I don't know. 
I don't know. 

2439
02:01:41,280 --> 02:01:43,240
Yeah, I. 
Mean if this is Selena and 

2440
02:01:43,240 --> 02:01:48,480
Helena's father is Adis? 
Right, or Apollyon granted a 

2441
02:01:48,480 --> 02:01:51,840
power to Selena and Helena that 
they wouldn't have otherwise had

2442
02:01:52,000 --> 02:01:55,880
then that could very well be the
reason that Ezreal also hasn't. 

2443
02:01:55,960 --> 02:01:58,280
But it's a question. 
I think what's interesting about

2444
02:01:58,280 --> 02:02:01,720
what you said here too is there 
is a quote. 

2445
02:02:02,720 --> 02:02:05,680
Bryce says her and Cormac's 
teleporting works differently. 

2446
02:02:05,680 --> 02:02:08,280
Right, so Bryce put her. 
Hands on her hips as she panted.

2447
02:02:08,280 --> 02:02:10,360
Your teleporting works 
differently than mine. 

2448
02:02:10,480 --> 02:02:12,760
How can you know that? 
Mine comes from a source of 

2449
02:02:12,760 --> 02:02:14,960
magic to energy, just a 
different form. 

2450
02:02:14,960 --> 02:02:17,480
Each jump takes more out of me. 
It's a muscle that you need to 

2451
02:02:17,480 --> 02:02:20,520
build up. 
So Cormac is the only other Faye

2452
02:02:20,520 --> 02:02:24,560
on Midgard that can winnow, but 
he says his winnowing comes from

2453
02:02:25,240 --> 02:02:28,360
a different source. 
So it seems to me like he does 

2454
02:02:28,360 --> 02:02:31,440
whatever Azrael. 
I know we said Azrael shadow 

2455
02:02:31,440 --> 02:02:34,400
walks. 
He does, but he can he also like

2456
02:02:34,400 --> 02:02:35,800
winnows, right? 
Because he does. 

2457
02:02:35,960 --> 02:02:38,360
Yeah, totally. 
Just So it seems to me like 

2458
02:02:38,360 --> 02:02:42,400
Cormac and Azrael have this 
winnowing ability from a 

2459
02:02:42,400 --> 02:02:46,040
different source than what then 
what Bryce has, which is 

2460
02:02:46,920 --> 02:02:48,680
confusing. 
I don't understand. 

2461
02:02:49,600 --> 02:02:52,840
Yeah. 
It seems it does seem by the 

2462
02:02:52,840 --> 02:02:54,760
way. 
Like we experience much more of 

2463
02:02:54,760 --> 02:02:57,840
Bryce's winnowing like first 
hand, even though this is all 

2464
02:02:57,840 --> 02:03:00,560
third person like quote first 
hand then what Cormac 

2465
02:03:00,560 --> 02:03:03,760
experiences. 
That seems more similar to like 

2466
02:03:04,000 --> 02:03:07,120
classic Faye winnowing on 
Prythian. 

2467
02:03:07,320 --> 02:03:11,000
What Cormac is doing stepping 
into shadow like that seems like

2468
02:03:11,000 --> 02:03:13,360
it could be what Asrel is doing.
I think. 

2469
02:03:13,560 --> 02:03:15,160
I think right. 
Which brings us to winnowing. 

2470
02:03:15,160 --> 02:03:19,600
So Cormac links winnowing to 
Starborn abilities. 

2471
02:03:19,600 --> 02:03:24,440
So when Bryce sees him doing it,
she's like, I'm going to do, 

2472
02:03:24,440 --> 02:03:26,120
you're going to teach me how to 
do that? 

2473
02:03:27,120 --> 02:03:30,440
Yeah, I'm going to do that. 
And Cormac says if it's within. 

2474
02:03:30,440 --> 02:03:32,120
Your wheelhouse. 
I will and. 

2475
02:03:32,120 --> 02:03:35,920
Hunts like can Faye just do this
shit and Cormac is like I can do

2476
02:03:35,920 --> 02:03:38,480
this shit. 
If Bryce has as much starborn 

2477
02:03:38,480 --> 02:03:43,080
ability as she seems to, she 
might also be able to do this 

2478
02:03:43,080 --> 02:03:44,880
shit. 
And he says it was once a gift 

2479
02:03:44,880 --> 02:03:47,320
of the starborn. 
It was the reason I became so 

2480
02:03:47,360 --> 02:03:50,640
focused on attaining the star, 
the star sword. 

2481
02:03:50,640 --> 02:03:53,760
I thought my ability to teleport
meant that the bloodline had 

2482
02:03:53,760 --> 02:03:56,880
resurfaced in me as I've never 
met anyone else who can do it. 

2483
02:03:56,880 --> 02:03:59,440
Which is super interesting. 
Right, Like why did this ability

2484
02:03:59,440 --> 02:04:02,600
suddenly resurface in Cormac? 
I don't know. 

2485
02:04:02,600 --> 02:04:05,200
Again, are we getting cross 
world Fuck are you that we're 

2486
02:04:05,200 --> 02:04:07,520
not aware of here. 
I'm completely unclear. 

2487
02:04:07,840 --> 02:04:10,760
But so far from what we can 
tell, it's Cormac and Bryce. 

2488
02:04:10,840 --> 02:04:12,360
Yeah, that's it. 
It's Cormac and Bryce. 

2489
02:04:12,360 --> 02:04:16,280
Well, and and Thea and Thea, 
yes, and Thea, but and like. 

2490
02:04:16,280 --> 02:04:20,560
Probably just Cormac and Bryce. 
Yeah, yeah, I was about to say 

2491
02:04:20,560 --> 02:04:22,960
currently living, but stuff. 
Yeah. 

2492
02:04:23,000 --> 02:04:25,920
Bryce. 
RIP Cormac alive during these 

2493
02:04:26,040 --> 02:04:30,240
books. 
Yeah, yes, the winnowing. 

2494
02:04:30,560 --> 02:04:33,520
Is really, as far as we can 
tell, just connected to 

2495
02:04:33,520 --> 02:04:36,240
Prithian. 
I don't think we have any direct

2496
02:04:36,240 --> 02:04:41,280
link between widowing and hell, 
but I think what is interesting 

2497
02:04:41,280 --> 02:04:44,280
is that it's not only a 
commentary on Prithian, but it 

2498
02:04:44,280 --> 02:04:47,560
also could be because Bryce is 
literally a world Walker. 

2499
02:04:47,560 --> 02:04:51,160
Everyone who's winnowing is a 
very powerful Fay. 

2500
02:04:51,160 --> 02:04:55,720
Like what is winnowing if not 
mini world walking right? 

2501
02:04:55,920 --> 02:04:58,600
Thea was a world Walker, Bryce 
is a world Walker. 

2502
02:04:58,800 --> 02:05:01,760
Everyone who's doing it on 
Midgard is walking worlds at 

2503
02:05:01,760 --> 02:05:03,920
this point. 
So I just pulled quotes 

2504
02:05:03,920 --> 02:05:06,640
describing the two of them and 
they're described so similarly 

2505
02:05:06,880 --> 02:05:07,240
all. 
Right. 

2506
02:05:07,240 --> 02:05:10,920
So we have Bryce describing 
teleporting while she's having 

2507
02:05:10,920 --> 02:05:13,680
sex with Hunt. 
She says she was falling, 

2508
02:05:13,680 --> 02:05:16,200
falling through time and space 
and light and shadow. 

2509
02:05:16,200 --> 02:05:18,920
Up was down and down was up, and
they were the only beings in 

2510
02:05:18,920 --> 02:05:21,680
existence here in this garden, 
locked away from time. 

2511
02:05:21,680 --> 02:05:24,880
So we have falling sunlight and 
shadow Hunt describing 

2512
02:05:24,880 --> 02:05:26,480
teleporting during sex with 
Bryce. 

2513
02:05:26,480 --> 02:05:28,120
This is the second time they 
teleport. 

2514
02:05:28,160 --> 02:05:32,000
Then he was falling amid black 
wind and lightning and stars. 

2515
02:05:32,080 --> 02:05:34,280
He came through all of it, 
roaring his pleasure to the 

2516
02:05:34,280 --> 02:05:37,520
skies because there were skies 
above them and city lights 

2517
02:05:37,520 --> 02:05:39,360
booming base from a nearby 
party. 

2518
02:05:39,360 --> 02:05:41,840
So again, we have falling, we 
have black wind, we have 

2519
02:05:41,840 --> 02:05:45,680
lightning. 
Bryce teleporting to the gates. 

2520
02:05:45,720 --> 02:05:47,800
Bryce gave. 
Herself to the wind and 

2521
02:05:47,800 --> 02:05:49,680
darkness. 
And teleported for the gates, 

2522
02:05:49,800 --> 02:05:52,920
winnowing with Reese. 
When Reese grabs Bryce's hand 

2523
02:05:52,920 --> 02:05:54,160
and winnows. 
We get. 

2524
02:05:54,160 --> 02:05:56,720
After Rune's body double had 
introduced himself in that 

2525
02:05:56,720 --> 02:06:00,040
lovely cozy foyer, he'd grabbed 
her hand. 

2526
02:06:00,080 --> 02:06:02,680
The strength of his grip, the 
brush of his calluses against 

2527
02:06:02,680 --> 02:06:05,920
her skin had been the only solid
things as wind and darkness had 

2528
02:06:05,920 --> 02:06:07,960
roared around them. 
The world dropping away. 

2529
02:06:08,160 --> 02:06:09,760
So, so far, that's all 
winnowing, right? 

2530
02:06:09,760 --> 02:06:12,080
So we have basically, we have 
wind, we have darkness, we have 

2531
02:06:12,080 --> 02:06:15,200
falling, we have the world 
dropping away when Bryce world 

2532
02:06:15,200 --> 02:06:17,600
walks. 
She says Bryce thrust her power 

2533
02:06:17,600 --> 02:06:20,200
out will the gate to take her 
and her alone, and she was 

2534
02:06:20,200 --> 02:06:23,880
falling, falling, falling while 
standing still suspended and the

2535
02:06:23,880 --> 02:06:27,560
archway sucked backwards so that
her hair trailed outward toward 

2536
02:06:27,560 --> 02:06:30,360
Rydulus's straining fingers. 
No, he bellowed. 

2537
02:06:30,360 --> 02:06:33,120
It was the last sound Bryce 
heard as the darkness within the

2538
02:06:33,120 --> 02:06:37,000
gate swallowed her. 
She fell slowly without and blah

2539
02:06:37,000 --> 02:06:39,720
blah blah. 
She was screaming into the wind 

2540
02:06:39,720 --> 02:06:43,520
and stars and emptiness, Right? 
So that is very similar to what 

2541
02:06:43,720 --> 02:06:45,880
Hunt just described as their 
winnowing. 

2542
02:06:45,880 --> 02:06:49,040
It's very similar to how 
winnowing is described with 

2543
02:06:49,200 --> 02:06:51,600
Reese as well. 
So like, and it could just be 

2544
02:06:51,680 --> 02:06:54,440
how many ways can you describe 
moving through space and time? 

2545
02:06:54,480 --> 02:06:57,000
Like there's there's not that 
many ways to describe this. 

2546
02:06:57,000 --> 02:07:01,400
That could be what's going on, 
but they seem very similar. 

2547
02:07:01,760 --> 02:07:02,880
They do, always. 
Have. 

2548
02:07:03,040 --> 02:07:04,800
Yeah. 
So in conclusion. 

2549
02:07:04,960 --> 02:07:08,080
Shadows mind speaking feeling 
very hell winnowing, feeling 

2550
02:07:08,080 --> 02:07:11,400
very world walking which we are 
told that before the history 

2551
02:07:11,400 --> 02:07:14,560
lost access to their power they 
were able to world walk right? 

2552
02:07:14,560 --> 02:07:19,280
So it's not actually that crazy 
to link this to a starborn 

2553
02:07:19,400 --> 02:07:23,720
ability. 
The winnowing that is because 

2554
02:07:23,760 --> 02:07:27,040
Bryce is still relatively. 
Close to her source of. 

2555
02:07:27,040 --> 02:07:30,040
Power in terms of like time and 
lineage, right? 

2556
02:07:30,320 --> 02:07:35,280
There's still a matter of like 
10 generations from when they 

2557
02:07:35,280 --> 02:07:36,840
were like actually near their 
home source. 

2558
02:07:38,160 --> 02:07:39,680
Well, yeah, I. 
Mean I'm Bryce. 

2559
02:07:39,680 --> 02:07:41,840
Yeah, yeah. 
I do think that. 

2560
02:07:41,840 --> 02:07:43,640
Part doesn't like that, part 
gives. 

2561
02:07:43,960 --> 02:07:47,280
Pause right when the Asteria are
like we were far from our home 

2562
02:07:47,280 --> 02:07:50,360
source and so we lost that 
ability like Bryce is far from 

2563
02:07:50,360 --> 02:07:54,680
her home Starborn have not been 
there for. 15,000 years. 

2564
02:07:55,440 --> 02:07:57,120
Why is? 
It suddenly. 

2565
02:07:57,200 --> 02:08:01,200
Able to be resurfaced, Yeah. 
And that quote, just so you guys

2566
02:08:01,200 --> 02:08:04,560
have it, is our brightest mount.
Minds found ways to bend the 

2567
02:08:04,560 --> 02:08:06,640
fabric of worlds to travel 
between them. 

2568
02:08:06,640 --> 02:08:08,880
Wayfarers, we called them. 
World Walkers. 

2569
02:08:09,080 --> 02:08:10,440
And then Bryce. 
That's Phosphorus. 

2570
02:08:10,440 --> 02:08:13,280
And then Bryce says if you knew 
how to open portals between 

2571
02:08:13,280 --> 02:08:16,120
worlds, why did you need to rely
on the Dread Trove? 

2572
02:08:16,320 --> 02:08:19,200
Once we left our home world, our
powers began to dim. 

2573
02:08:19,400 --> 02:08:22,200
Too late we realized that we had
been dependent on our lands 

2574
02:08:22,200 --> 02:08:24,680
inherent magic. 
The magic and other worlds was 

2575
02:08:24,680 --> 02:08:25,800
not potent enough. 
Yeah. 

2576
02:08:25,800 --> 02:08:27,600
We could not find the way back 
home. 

2577
02:08:27,600 --> 02:08:31,880
So the Asteri used to be able to
world walk without the Trove, 

2578
02:08:31,920 --> 02:08:33,560
without external influences, 
Right. 

2579
02:08:33,560 --> 02:08:37,160
We actually talked about this in
our Places of Prythian episode. 

2580
02:08:37,160 --> 02:08:39,280
Like, can the Asteri still world
walk? 

2581
02:08:39,280 --> 02:08:42,520
It seems like the answer is no. 
No when they're on Prythian 

2582
02:08:42,520 --> 02:08:44,600
because. 
Yeah, because they are too far 

2583
02:08:44,600 --> 02:08:46,760
away from their whole magic 
source. 

2584
02:08:46,760 --> 02:08:48,720
So that. 
But this does seem like a power 

2585
02:08:48,720 --> 02:08:52,280
that the Asteri have, and Hal 
doesn't really have it right? 

2586
02:08:52,280 --> 02:08:57,680
Because Ada says when he's in I,
I think it's when he's in the 

2587
02:08:57,680 --> 02:08:59,280
chamber. 
I just read this this. 

2588
02:08:59,280 --> 02:09:01,800
Quote today when? 
Bryce sees him in the chamber 

2589
02:09:02,280 --> 02:09:05,080
like or when hunt sees him in 
the chamber hunts like why can't

2590
02:09:05,080 --> 02:09:07,280
you go do this thing blah blah, 
blah. 

2591
02:09:07,280 --> 02:09:09,240
And Ada says I'm not actually 
here. 

2592
02:09:09,560 --> 02:09:11,680
Like I'm not here. 
I'm not world walking right now 

2593
02:09:11,680 --> 02:09:15,280
you're seeing a projection of 
me, but like I my body is not 

2594
02:09:15,760 --> 02:09:18,160
not here, which is not world 
walking right. 

2595
02:09:18,160 --> 02:09:21,240
So if if we're saying, which is 
kind of what we're postulating, 

2596
02:09:21,240 --> 02:09:24,000
but doesn't have to be true, 
that this is either from a steri

2597
02:09:24,000 --> 02:09:27,640
or from hell, it points to being
from a Steri, which raises a lot

2598
02:09:27,640 --> 02:09:30,160
of questions about all the 
people who can winnow on 

2599
02:09:30,160 --> 02:09:32,640
Prythian, right? 
Why do so many people have that 

2600
02:09:32,640 --> 02:09:35,600
ability on Prithean? 
I made a little chart of who has

2601
02:09:35,600 --> 02:09:39,520
what powers from the star born 
line and Thea and Bryce's powers

2602
02:09:39,520 --> 02:09:43,960
line up perfectly like Thea has 
Starlight and she has winnowing.

2603
02:09:44,160 --> 02:09:46,960
But we don't say I don't think 
she has Damati power. 

2604
02:09:46,960 --> 02:09:48,320
I said I would talk about this 
later. 

2605
02:09:48,320 --> 02:09:50,840
The reason I don't think she has
Damati power is because she 

2606
02:09:50,840 --> 02:09:54,040
doesn't know that Pelleas has 
betrayed her, right? 

2607
02:09:54,200 --> 02:09:57,480
She says she had no way of 
knowing that he that he is a 

2608
02:09:57,480 --> 02:10:01,200
Pelli is Pellius here had spent 
our era of peace learning 

2609
02:10:01,200 --> 02:10:03,880
ancient summoning magic and 
searching the cosmos for 

2610
02:10:03,880 --> 02:10:06,760
whatever remained of the Daglin 
on other worlds. 

2611
02:10:06,760 --> 02:10:08,840
Right. 
So Celine says that about Thea 

2612
02:10:09,120 --> 02:10:12,600
not she didn't know. 
She had no way of knowing, 

2613
02:10:12,880 --> 02:10:15,160
right? 
If she's de Madi, she has a way 

2614
02:10:15,160 --> 02:10:17,520
of knowing. 
So I don't think that Thea was 

2615
02:10:17,520 --> 02:10:19,280
de Madi. 
I think that started with her 

2616
02:10:19,280 --> 02:10:20,040
daughters. 
Yeah. 

2617
02:10:20,600 --> 02:10:22,600
And I once again asked who is 
Fian? 

2618
02:10:23,520 --> 02:10:26,680
It was Fian I. 
Have the same question and what 

2619
02:10:26,680 --> 02:10:28,240
is going on with him and? 
What are his powers? 

2620
02:10:28,440 --> 02:10:31,120
Yeah, I would like to have. 
The same questions. 

2621
02:10:31,160 --> 02:10:32,360
Did you have anything else on 
this one? 

2622
02:10:32,400 --> 02:10:34,240
Not for now. 
No, not for now. 

2623
02:10:34,960 --> 02:10:38,280
I'd say my big question of all 
of this based on everything 

2624
02:10:38,280 --> 02:10:41,440
we've just gone through with 
these powers is why can't ruin 

2625
02:10:41,680 --> 02:10:43,640
teleport? 
Why can't ruin winnow either 

2626
02:10:43,640 --> 02:10:46,320
through shadow walking or what 
we think is the more traditional

2627
02:10:46,440 --> 02:10:49,160
actual form of what of winnowing
with the world walking? 

2628
02:10:49,160 --> 02:10:51,280
Like does he just is it the 
parasite? 

2629
02:10:51,280 --> 02:10:52,400
Does he just not know how to do 
it? 

2630
02:10:52,400 --> 02:10:55,200
Like it seems to me like room 
should be able to do it, but we 

2631
02:10:55,200 --> 02:10:57,200
haven't seen him do that yet. 
So I don't know. 

2632
02:10:57,640 --> 02:11:02,280
We shall say big question is 
today I have. 

2633
02:11:03,120 --> 02:11:05,120
A third child, that's an. 
Intriguing question. 

2634
02:11:05,160 --> 02:11:06,120
What? 
Makes you say that? 

2635
02:11:06,240 --> 02:11:09,360
I don't know, just like not. 
Bryce of. 

2636
02:11:10,120 --> 02:11:14,000
Celine and Helena are just not 
making sense to me. 

2637
02:11:14,000 --> 02:11:16,400
I agree. 
I agree Bryce does not have the 

2638
02:11:16,400 --> 02:11:19,240
coloring of Celine and. 
Helena Bryce does not have the 

2639
02:11:19,240 --> 02:11:23,160
powers of Celine and Helena, she
only has Thea's powers. 

2640
02:11:23,440 --> 02:11:25,680
Like she doesn't have any of the
extra stuff. 

2641
02:11:26,040 --> 02:11:28,440
So except the winnering. 
But Thea had winnering. 

2642
02:11:28,480 --> 02:11:29,840
Never mind, I see what you're 
saying. 

2643
02:11:29,880 --> 02:11:31,560
I understand why you're asking 
this question. 

2644
02:11:32,960 --> 02:11:36,520
These are the questions that I 
have like, she claimed. 

2645
02:11:36,720 --> 02:11:39,320
Only Thea's powers. 
None of. 

2646
02:11:39,520 --> 02:11:44,040
Selena and Helena's. 
She she received Thea's third of

2647
02:11:44,040 --> 02:11:46,680
power from Helena's bloodline. 
Allegedly. 

2648
02:11:47,560 --> 02:11:49,280
Yeah. 
I have questions, That's all. 

2649
02:11:49,280 --> 02:11:50,920
I have questions too. 
I hope you. 

2650
02:11:50,920 --> 02:11:53,160
Guys are enjoying. 
This as our first episode I feel

2651
02:11:53,160 --> 02:11:54,600
like we're getting. 
So deep. 

2652
02:11:55,480 --> 02:11:57,280
Yeah, I hope you did your 
homework. 

2653
02:11:57,920 --> 02:12:01,960
All right, All right, so that is
the conclusion of our official 

2654
02:12:02,080 --> 02:12:07,120
Crescent City Acatar section. 
Again, hope you guys enjoyed it.

2655
02:12:07,120 --> 02:12:09,840
I feel like we got real into the
nitty gritty, but typically 

2656
02:12:09,840 --> 02:12:11,000
that's what you guys are here 
for. 

2657
02:12:11,000 --> 02:12:13,080
So I hope you enjoyed. 
Obviously, we'll continue to 

2658
02:12:13,080 --> 02:12:16,080
talk about all of this more. 
We are going to go into the 

2659
02:12:16,080 --> 02:12:18,840
Throne of Glass spoilers section
of our episode. 

2660
02:12:18,840 --> 02:12:22,600
So if you have not read all 8 
Throne of Glass novels, we 

2661
02:12:22,600 --> 02:12:26,840
recommend turning around now. 
As always, you can find us on 

2662
02:12:26,840 --> 02:12:29,240
social media. 
We are drags in the details pod.

2663
02:12:29,240 --> 02:12:31,640
I'm pretty much all social 
channels. 

2664
02:12:31,680 --> 02:12:34,840
If you like us, please like, 
comment, subscribe, rate, 

2665
02:12:34,840 --> 02:12:37,880
review, etcetera. 
It helps us out a lot and we'll 

2666
02:12:37,880 --> 02:12:40,640
be back next week. 
Both spoilers from here on out 

2667
02:12:40,640 --> 02:12:44,480
for Throne of Glass until the 
end of this sentence. 

2668
02:12:44,600 --> 02:12:46,920
All right, so the way we're 
doing this one guys, obviously 

2669
02:12:46,920 --> 02:12:49,120
this has been a crazy episode. 
I don't think we have much. 

2670
02:12:49,160 --> 02:12:51,880
We didn't have many more Throne 
of Glass specific questions 

2671
02:12:51,880 --> 02:12:54,120
necessarily. 
So this is just going to kind of

2672
02:12:54,120 --> 02:12:57,520
be if Ronnie, if I have anything
to add from the Throne of Glass 

2673
02:12:57,520 --> 02:13:00,520
world into this Starborn 
question of what the hell the 

2674
02:13:00,520 --> 02:13:03,200
Starborn Faye are and other 
things that are going on. 

2675
02:13:03,200 --> 02:13:06,880
So I'm going to start, I have a 
couple and then we will just 

2676
02:13:06,880 --> 02:13:10,200
alternate basically. 
So my first one, it's kind of 

2677
02:13:10,200 --> 02:13:12,600
two, it's kind of two. 
I'm going to start with death 

2678
02:13:12,600 --> 02:13:17,640
Maidens, right, because we 
talked about in the why is this 

2679
02:13:17,640 --> 02:13:21,280
more powerful in the female line
question, Bryce's power, 

2680
02:13:21,280 --> 02:13:24,360
seemingly of creation, which we 
did not. 

2681
02:13:24,360 --> 02:13:26,720
What we did not talk about a lot
in this episode, which I had 

2682
02:13:26,720 --> 02:13:29,600
notes on, but I thought we had 
better things to talk about is 

2683
02:13:29,600 --> 02:13:33,320
the power of destruction piece 
of it, which is she can create a

2684
02:13:33,320 --> 02:13:37,040
black hole, right? 
What is what is destruction if 

2685
02:13:37,040 --> 02:13:38,760
not a black hole? 
Avoid right? 

2686
02:13:38,920 --> 02:13:42,920
So Bryce definitely seems to 
have the power of both creation 

2687
02:13:43,000 --> 02:13:48,080
and destruction, Irene says. 
Irene says the power. 

2688
02:13:48,200 --> 02:13:50,320
Irene, we find. 
Out is a Death Maiden from arrow

2689
02:13:50,320 --> 02:13:53,040
on, Irene says. 
We find out the power of 

2690
02:13:53,040 --> 02:13:55,640
creation and destruction. 
That's what lay within her. 

2691
02:13:55,640 --> 02:13:58,440
That's what being a Death Maiden
seems to be. 

2692
02:13:59,960 --> 02:14:04,000
And that also seems to be a 
primarily female gift, hence the

2693
02:14:04,000 --> 02:14:05,880
maiden piece of Death Maiden, 
right? 

2694
02:14:05,880 --> 02:14:08,000
So we have these two things kind
of lining up. 

2695
02:14:08,200 --> 02:14:11,560
Obviously Bryce and Irene have 
different powers. 

2696
02:14:11,560 --> 02:14:14,000
Irene has the healing, Rune has 
the healing. 

2697
02:14:14,000 --> 02:14:15,880
So I'm still not totally sure 
how I feel about that. 

2698
02:14:18,000 --> 02:14:19,040
I don't know. 
We've talked about the 

2699
02:14:19,040 --> 02:14:21,640
similarity between the. 
Valg and the Asteri homeworlds. 

2700
02:14:21,760 --> 02:14:24,320
Aaron says the deaf maidens are 
from his world. 

2701
02:14:24,440 --> 02:14:27,160
Maybe the Valg and the Asteri 
are actually all from the same 

2702
02:14:27,160 --> 02:14:29,600
homeworlds. 
Like maybe maybe that is the 

2703
02:14:29,600 --> 02:14:31,480
case. 
But they are they don't seem to 

2704
02:14:31,480 --> 02:14:33,520
be Valk right? 
But maybe the Asteri and the 

2705
02:14:33,520 --> 02:14:36,640
Valk both lived on the same 
homeworld and the Asteri had the

2706
02:14:36,640 --> 02:14:39,520
power to defeat the Valk and the
Valk seemingly they have the 

2707
02:14:39,520 --> 02:14:42,400
power to defeat the Asteria. 
That gets into a little precog 

2708
02:14:42,400 --> 02:14:44,600
territory. 
The real theory here is the 

2709
02:14:44,600 --> 02:14:47,680
depth, the power of creation and
destruction that Bryce has seems

2710
02:14:47,680 --> 02:14:50,240
very similar to how Irene 
describes her power. 

2711
02:14:50,480 --> 02:14:53,400
That's my first omission. 
I'm acknowledging that. 

2712
02:14:55,400 --> 02:14:56,720
All right. 
Do you have? 

2713
02:14:56,880 --> 02:14:58,520
Do you have any? 
Very small one. 

2714
02:14:59,680 --> 02:15:01,720
And I didn't prep for it because
it just. 

2715
02:15:01,720 --> 02:15:03,080
Came to me as you were talking 
about that. 

2716
02:15:03,280 --> 02:15:08,280
Aren't we told that Valg 
princesses are stronger than 

2717
02:15:08,280 --> 02:15:09,840
Princess? 
Yeah, yeah. 

2718
02:15:09,880 --> 02:15:11,320
Which is also interesting, 
right? 

2719
02:15:11,640 --> 02:15:13,480
Yeah. 
Could just be the girl power 

2720
02:15:13,480 --> 02:15:16,120
thing, but yeah, yeah, yeah, it 
could, totally. 

2721
02:15:16,120 --> 02:15:18,200
Be the girl power thing. 
I mean even the even the 

2722
02:15:18,200 --> 02:15:20,800
villains in. 
These series the women are 

2723
02:15:20,800 --> 02:15:26,040
stronger so like best worst maid
you've. 

2724
02:15:26,040 --> 02:15:28,560
Always got like an Erawan. 
Or a rigeless and then they're 

2725
02:15:28,560 --> 02:15:30,960
just like outshined by the big 
bad woman. 

2726
02:15:31,160 --> 02:15:35,120
This is why I'm not convinced 
that the Esteri are. 

2727
02:15:35,120 --> 02:15:38,120
The big bads like I I'm not 
convinced that Rigeless is the 

2728
02:15:38,120 --> 02:15:40,720
big bad of Crescent City because
he's a fucking man. 

2729
02:15:40,920 --> 02:15:43,240
It has never been a man. 
It's always a woman. 

2730
02:15:43,360 --> 02:15:46,600
Like never, I guess. 
Well, we had Amarantha and 

2731
02:15:46,600 --> 02:15:49,520
Acatar, but I'm not really 
convinced we've seen the big bad

2732
02:15:49,520 --> 02:15:51,120
of Acatar yet either. 
I don't know. 

2733
02:15:51,120 --> 02:15:53,360
I don't know. 
Briaxis is woman. 

2734
02:15:53,880 --> 02:15:55,400
Briaxis is a woman. 
It's. 

2735
02:15:55,400 --> 02:15:59,000
All coming up, women. 
All right, a couple more things.

2736
02:15:59,000 --> 02:16:03,760
I want to acknowledge that there
are Asterion Faye in Throne of 

2737
02:16:03,760 --> 02:16:05,360
Glass. 
I'm acknowledging it. 

2738
02:16:06,800 --> 02:16:09,880
Interesting. 
I'm going to talk about it much.

2739
02:16:10,040 --> 02:16:12,240
In much more depth in our next. 
Episode. 

2740
02:16:12,360 --> 02:16:14,160
That's why I'm just 
acknowledging it now. 

2741
02:16:14,280 --> 02:16:17,240
OK, so I'm acknowledging it. 
I know that it exists. 

2742
02:16:17,240 --> 02:16:20,000
It sounds like Ronnie and I have
gotten to some similar places, 

2743
02:16:20,000 --> 02:16:22,360
which I'm very excited about. 
I know they exist. 

2744
02:16:22,560 --> 02:16:25,720
That's the just don't comment 
and be like, why don't you guys 

2745
02:16:25,720 --> 02:16:27,880
talk about the Asterion fare? 
We're going to. 

2746
02:16:27,960 --> 02:16:29,560
They exist. 
I'm acknowledging it. 

2747
02:16:29,760 --> 02:16:32,879
I also have acknowledging that 
the a pointed star is seen on a 

2748
02:16:32,879 --> 02:16:36,760
priestess's head who worships 
the Mother and Throne of Glass 

2749
02:16:36,840 --> 02:16:41,000
and that Manan calls herself 
made with a capital M multiple 

2750
02:16:41,000 --> 02:16:42,760
times. 
I'm acknowledging all of that. 

2751
02:16:42,760 --> 02:16:44,160
I don't have answers for them 
right now. 

2752
02:16:44,160 --> 02:16:47,360
I'm just letting you guys know 
that I know that that happened 

2753
02:16:47,360 --> 02:16:49,680
and that at some point we will 
talk about it, but I did not 

2754
02:16:49,680 --> 02:16:52,760
have the brain capacity to talk 
about it in this episode. 

2755
02:16:55,320 --> 02:16:59,200
So I had one more fun small. 
Thing says that she's going. 

2756
02:16:59,440 --> 02:17:02,639
To load into Starfire at one 
point, which is fun. 

2757
02:17:03,719 --> 02:17:06,920
Yeah, it's all fun. 
It's all fun. 

2758
02:17:06,959 --> 02:17:09,120
But yeah, that's pretty much the
the. 

2759
02:17:09,120 --> 02:17:11,559
Big pieces of this I. 
Guess of the throne of Glass 

2760
02:17:11,680 --> 02:17:14,040
omissions next episode we're 
going to have a lot more to talk

2761
02:17:14,040 --> 02:17:16,639
about with throne of glass. 
All right, pre cog corner. 

2762
02:17:16,639 --> 02:17:20,360
OK, I'm going to do a small 
wild. 

2763
02:17:20,360 --> 02:17:24,400
Pre cog because this episode is 
big and big and wild. 

2764
02:17:24,400 --> 02:17:25,680
So I'm going to do small and 
wild. 

2765
02:17:25,719 --> 02:17:30,400
So Prythian famously is very 
hard to find right by the 

2766
02:17:30,400 --> 02:17:32,120
Asteri. 
Maybe by hell. 

2767
02:17:32,120 --> 02:17:34,799
We don't know whether it's hard 
to find by hell. 

2768
02:17:35,160 --> 02:17:39,280
But they when the gate opens 
between her and Atis, the portal

2769
02:17:39,280 --> 02:17:43,160
opens her and Atis and said that
like their souls were the reason

2770
02:17:43,160 --> 02:17:45,639
like they're mated souls were 
the reason that that bridge was 

2771
02:17:45,639 --> 02:17:52,000
found. 
So we also get multiple mentions

2772
02:17:53,440 --> 02:17:56,360
in House of Flame and Shadow 
when? 

2773
02:17:56,440 --> 02:17:58,840
Bryce. 
Nesta and Azrael are walking 

2774
02:17:58,840 --> 02:18:04,760
around underneath the Hewn City 
and under the prison of how much

2775
02:18:05,160 --> 02:18:07,760
the water. 
And like the earth down. 

2776
02:18:07,760 --> 02:18:10,080
There smells like iron quotes 
for that. 

2777
02:18:10,320 --> 02:18:13,920
Bryce knew it wasn't endless, 
only because far, far below 

2778
02:18:14,080 --> 02:18:18,040
Water Ward, these are those 
underground waterways that bleed

2779
02:18:18,040 --> 02:18:21,360
out from the middle and into 
under the mountain, a large 

2780
02:18:21,360 --> 02:18:23,920
subterranean river. 
If the sound was this loud, even

2781
02:18:23,920 --> 02:18:27,719
up here, bits of spray floated 
from the darkness, the damp air 

2782
02:18:27,879 --> 02:18:30,120
laced with a thick metallic 
scent. 

2783
02:18:30,600 --> 02:18:32,639
Iron. 
There must have been deposits of

2784
02:18:32,639 --> 02:18:35,799
it down here and then later as 
they're again trudging through 

2785
02:18:36,160 --> 02:18:41,559
these tunnels are the iron rich 
water scent that stuffed itself 

2786
02:18:41,639 --> 02:18:45,840
up her nose. 
I guess my my question I have no

2787
02:18:45,840 --> 02:18:51,760
other evidence. 
Is iron in of glass world is a 

2788
02:18:51,760 --> 02:18:53,840
magic suppressant? 
Right, it's it. 

2789
02:18:53,840 --> 02:18:55,400
Suppresses magic, that's what it
does. 

2790
02:18:55,400 --> 02:18:58,120
It is not said to suppress magic
on Prythian. 

2791
02:18:58,120 --> 02:19:01,400
It's like a fabled magic 
suppressant in the human realm. 

2792
02:19:01,480 --> 02:19:03,959
Or like oh it suppresses magic 
and then the fair like no it 

2793
02:19:03,959 --> 02:19:05,559
doesn't. 
The cauldrons made of. 

2794
02:19:05,559 --> 02:19:10,559
It's like very confused how iron
actually impacts magic on 

2795
02:19:10,559 --> 02:19:12,680
Prythian. 
Is it shielding the planet 

2796
02:19:12,719 --> 02:19:14,680
somehow? 
I don't know, because the people

2797
02:19:14,680 --> 02:19:18,280
who are looking for it are 
Mystics, and those Mystics 

2798
02:19:18,320 --> 02:19:23,040
mostly seem to be Faye with 
magic, not a Steri who are 

2799
02:19:23,040 --> 02:19:24,400
repelled by salt. 
Yeah. 

2800
02:19:24,600 --> 02:19:25,840
Yeah. 
What is the power of the 

2801
02:19:25,840 --> 02:19:26,840
Mystics? 
I don't know. 

2802
02:19:26,840 --> 02:19:29,719
We'll get into that. 
Different question. 

2803
02:19:29,879 --> 02:19:31,799
The Mystics so far also seem to 
be. 

2804
02:19:32,080 --> 02:19:35,120
Faye. 
Well the the 1 Mystic we know is

2805
02:19:35,120 --> 02:19:37,360
Faye through Aurelia. 
Right. 

2806
02:19:37,440 --> 02:19:42,000
And Iron does not work on her. 
You mean Iron does work on her? 

2807
02:19:42,120 --> 02:19:45,680
I mean, Iron does work on her. 
That is what I mean, yeah, Yeah.

2808
02:19:47,240 --> 02:19:50,280
Yeah, yeah. 
I think that's interesting, I 

2809
02:19:50,280 --> 02:19:52,520
hadn't really thought about it. 
About the iron, because I 

2810
02:19:52,520 --> 02:19:54,840
thought the iron. 
Either way, I think this works 

2811
02:19:54,840 --> 02:19:59,160
like the iron is because the 
midden guard word is hunting. 

2812
02:19:59,320 --> 02:20:00,680
It's basically from blood, 
right? 

2813
02:20:00,680 --> 02:20:02,720
Because the midden guard word 
worm is hunting. 

2814
02:20:02,720 --> 02:20:05,520
But even that still works. 
It's still a lot of iron within 

2815
02:20:05,520 --> 02:20:07,280
the core. 
I think that's interesting. 

2816
02:20:08,280 --> 02:20:11,600
Many things on Pythian smell 
metallic, like even magic. 

2817
02:20:11,720 --> 02:20:13,840
The magic smells metallic. 
Smells metallic. 

2818
02:20:13,960 --> 02:20:15,520
I think this is interesting. 
I actually. 

2819
02:20:15,760 --> 02:20:17,680
Think this kind of works with my
precog. 

2820
02:20:17,680 --> 02:20:20,440
So Vesperus, Bryce says to 
Vesperus. 

2821
02:20:20,520 --> 02:20:22,840
I have questions for you. 
If you don't answer them, I'm 

2822
02:20:22,840 --> 02:20:25,760
happy to leave you down here 
until the end of eternity. 

2823
02:20:25,920 --> 02:20:29,000
And Vesperus says, oh, this 
planet will be long dead before 

2824
02:20:29,000 --> 02:20:33,400
eternity has ended. 
Its star will expand and expand 

2825
02:20:33,400 --> 02:20:36,480
and eventually devour everything
in its path, including this 

2826
02:20:36,480 --> 02:20:38,200
world. 
Bryce says thanks for the 

2827
02:20:38,280 --> 02:20:41,840
astronomy lesson when Bryce is 
flippant about something like 

2828
02:20:41,840 --> 02:20:44,800
that, it typically means it's 
important and you should pay 

2829
02:20:44,800 --> 02:20:48,040
attention to it right. 
So she so it says the star will 

2830
02:20:48,040 --> 02:20:50,920
expand and expand and eventually
devour everything in its path, 

2831
02:20:50,920 --> 02:20:53,760
including this world. 
We talked about how both the 

2832
02:20:53,760 --> 02:20:58,040
Esteri and the starborn face 
seem to be able to absorb the 

2833
02:20:58,040 --> 02:21:02,000
power from the land and that 
power is an evening star. 

2834
02:21:02,080 --> 02:21:06,120
Just Prythian somehow have a 
star inside it or maybe 8 stars 

2835
02:21:06,120 --> 02:21:08,480
inside it like you were talking 
about before because because 

2836
02:21:08,480 --> 02:21:12,120
there seems to be 8 different 
types of powers here and like 

2837
02:21:12,280 --> 02:21:15,600
right Isn't am I? 
I granted have not done like 

2838
02:21:16,280 --> 02:21:19,160
physics in a really long time, 
but isn't in the heart of a 

2839
02:21:19,160 --> 02:21:20,640
star. 
Aren't there all these metals 

2840
02:21:20,640 --> 02:21:23,480
that are formed and that's how 
they ended up like in on our 

2841
02:21:23,480 --> 02:21:25,600
planet because they came from a 
star originally? 

2842
02:21:25,600 --> 02:21:28,360
Yeah, I guess I don't know how 
the planet would be containing 

2843
02:21:28,360 --> 02:21:30,720
it. 
I have no idea on that. 

2844
02:21:30,720 --> 02:21:33,320
Please, I have no fucking idea. 
Don't quote me. 

2845
02:21:33,560 --> 02:21:38,760
I'm not, haven't taken a class 
on astrophysics in 12 years at 

2846
02:21:38,760 --> 02:21:41,800
this point. 
But I mean, it wouldn't be 

2847
02:21:41,800 --> 02:21:43,680
right. 
It would, it simply wouldn't be.

2848
02:21:43,680 --> 02:21:44,720
But. 
This is fantasy. 

2849
02:21:46,040 --> 02:21:47,480
Yeah. 
But yeah, I thought that was an 

2850
02:21:47,480 --> 02:21:50,360
interesting line. 
The other thing that occurred 

2851
02:21:50,360 --> 02:21:52,760
to. 
Me you read this quote so long 

2852
02:21:52,760 --> 02:21:55,560
ago at the beginning of this 
episode many many many hours 

2853
02:21:55,560 --> 02:21:59,360
ago. 
But Rajalis says your star born 

2854
02:21:59,360 --> 02:22:03,280
line hails from a planet of 
hails from an island of 

2855
02:22:03,280 --> 02:22:07,560
perpetual dusk, right. 
That is not how the solar quartz

2856
02:22:07,560 --> 02:22:09,800
work. 
We're specifically told that 

2857
02:22:09,800 --> 02:22:12,080
that is not how the solar quartz
work, right? 

2858
02:22:12,080 --> 02:22:14,000
Reese says it can't always be 
night. 

2859
02:22:14,280 --> 02:22:19,600
I can't alter the path of the 
sun, but Rigelous is implying 

2860
02:22:19,600 --> 02:22:22,240
that that was how it works at 
one point. 

2861
02:22:22,240 --> 02:22:26,880
So like he says, what happened? 
He says that the mainland had. 

2862
02:22:28,040 --> 02:22:32,240
Every all of the times of the 
day, but the the island had 

2863
02:22:32,240 --> 02:22:34,800
perpetual twilight. 
So he was saying he was very 

2864
02:22:34,800 --> 02:22:37,640
important style had perpetual 
twilight. 

2865
02:22:37,680 --> 02:22:39,320
Yeah, but. 
That feels incredibly. 

2866
02:22:39,320 --> 02:22:41,240
Important, right? 
Because we have that line from 

2867
02:22:41,240 --> 02:22:44,320
Reese early in. 
Acatar about how he's not like 

2868
02:22:44,320 --> 02:22:48,160
the night Court is not powerful 
enough to to fuck with the flow 

2869
02:22:48,160 --> 02:22:49,520
of the sun, basically. 
Right. 

2870
02:22:49,520 --> 02:22:51,960
But then we have this island 
that can stay in perpetual 

2871
02:22:51,960 --> 02:22:52,840
twilight. 
Yeah. 

2872
02:22:52,840 --> 02:22:55,000
So I don't know. 
Very interesting. 

2873
02:22:55,320 --> 02:22:57,760
Very interesting. 
All right, so we do, we want to 

2874
02:22:57,760 --> 02:23:02,920
do fusion and controlling. 
The Sun, what you want to talk 

2875
02:23:02,920 --> 02:23:04,920
about, What we've talked about 
today, we've talked about. 

2876
02:23:05,320 --> 02:23:09,240
Prisms, we've talked about the 
we've talked about nuclear 

2877
02:23:09,240 --> 02:23:11,440
fusion, we've talked about 
stars, we've talked about matter

2878
02:23:11,440 --> 02:23:17,160
and antimatter. 
Anyway, this was a fun one. 

2879
02:23:17,440 --> 02:23:19,600
All right, that is it for this 
week. 

2880
02:23:19,600 --> 02:23:23,440
If you want to follow us, I hope
you enjoyed it guys. 

2881
02:23:23,440 --> 02:23:26,040
I think we had to. 
This was a fun episode. 

2882
02:23:26,040 --> 02:23:29,160
We kind of had to get this out 
of the way to just kind of set 

2883
02:23:29,160 --> 02:23:31,080
the stage for our Crescent City 
season. 

2884
02:23:31,080 --> 02:23:33,320
I think most of them aren't 
going to be this long. 

2885
02:23:33,320 --> 02:23:35,720
We'll find out, but I think we 
had a lot of good things to talk

2886
02:23:35,720 --> 02:23:38,000
about. 
If you would like to follow us, 

2887
02:23:38,000 --> 02:23:41,560
we are drags in the details pod 
on a TikTok, Instagram, YouTube,

2888
02:23:41,600 --> 02:23:44,240
Facebook. 
We are drags in the details 

2889
02:23:44,240 --> 02:23:47,440
server on Discord. 
Our Discord is a super fun 

2890
02:23:47,440 --> 02:23:49,560
place. 
Always theories popping off in 

2891
02:23:49,560 --> 02:23:52,680
the discord. 
We are drags in thedetails.com. 

2892
02:23:52,680 --> 02:23:55,520
If you want to check out our 
website, we are hoping to start 

2893
02:23:55,520 --> 02:23:58,120
posting more content on that 
website soon, so keep an eye out

2894
02:23:58,120 --> 02:24:01,080
for that. 
And you can also submit emails, 

2895
02:24:01,280 --> 02:24:05,040
queries, questions, comments, 
concerns through that e-mail. 

2896
02:24:05,040 --> 02:24:06,560
There is a submission form 
there. 

2897
02:24:08,000 --> 02:24:09,640
Other than that, anything I'm 
missing? 

2898
02:24:09,640 --> 02:24:10,760
I think that was all of it. 
You can. 

2899
02:24:10,760 --> 02:24:12,120
Always e-mail us drags in the 
details. 

2900
02:24:12,120 --> 02:24:16,600
Pod@gmail.com We love hearing 
from you and I think that is it 

2901
02:24:16,600 --> 02:24:18,520
for this week. 
We will be back next week. 

2902
02:24:18,680 --> 02:24:19,640
Love you, bye. 
Love you. 

2903
02:24:19,640 --> 02:24:20,160
Bye.