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Hi everyone, and welcome back to
the Strike and Alicott Files, an

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unofficial podcast dedicated to 
all things Strike and Robin as 

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written by Robert Galbraith, AKA
the endlessly talented JK 

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Rowling. 
My name is Kenz. 

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I'm Lindsay. 
And I'm pause. 

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And today we'll be continuing 
our reread of The Hallmarked 

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Man, covering chapters 22 and 
23, which takes us from Robin 

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helping Strike with his 
Christmas shopping through 

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Culpeppers first hit piece On 
Strike. 

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Please be aware, as always, that
our discussion of the Hallmarked

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Man will often reference the 
ending of this book as well as 

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previous books in the series. 
But before we get into chapter 

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discussion or this week, we have
got a lot of news to go over. 

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Let's start off with a tiny bit 
of Running Grave TV news. 

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We have a little bit of casting 
news here, and we have Nicholas 

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Sloan as Sally Enzer, which 
means that we will be seeing her

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while she is still alive. 
From what I remember from seeing

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the press release they're 
having, both Sally and Sir Colin

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go to the agency. 
Oh, interesting. 

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Or sad. 
She's going to die halfway 

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through. 
Exactly, that's what I'm 

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thinking. 
I think they're adjusting that 

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slightly to play it up for the 
drama. 

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That'll be good. 
I also heard through the 

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Grapevine that filming wrapped 
up last week. 

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Nice SO. 
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Should be done. 
I think we're, I mean, we're 

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still getting it December. 
So yeah, pretty much guaranteed 

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I think. 
Yeah. 

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Now let's get to the stuff that 
I know that everybody's really 

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excited for, and that's Book 9 
news. 

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To start off we got a new pub 
for book 9 and that is a 

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Ganley's Irish Bar in Morden 
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From what I can tell, it's about
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office. 
Sounds like Mordor. 

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Right, you're going into the 
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And does not simply take the 
tube to Morden. 

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Joe says that if you want to sit
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this bar, find the coat of arms 
for dairy. 

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Oh, they're both there, yes. 
I know that was so exciting. 

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They're sitting together. 
Hallelujah. 

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So many people were like, thank 
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they're still talking. 
Hallelujah. 

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All I can think is if they're 
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arms, they're pretty close. 
I wonder if their knees are 

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going to touch. 
I've had so many little 

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fantasies about their 
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I'm just curious about how far 
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what their dynamic is going to 
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Whatever it is at this point 
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we can assume and that they're 
not estranged for too long. 

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I know a lot of people were 
saying that, well, you know, 

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this might be another book where
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where they're going to be apart 
from each other or estranged or 

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whatever. 
And it looks like that might not

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necessarily be the case if 
they're sitting together. 

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Are people thinking that? 
Yeah, just to make it like a 

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parallel to Running Grave, like,
yeah, people have been saying 

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that he'll leave to go do like a
consultancy type job for MI. 

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Five What for running grave? 
They're not estranged. 

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No, but they are apart. 
It would be a both an instance 

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of them being physically apart 
and also emotionally apart 

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because. 
Don't you think that's too close

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to have them be that far apart 
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I think so, no. 
I want them to be incredibly 

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awkward but forced into close 
physical proximity constantly. 

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Yeah, that would be amazing. 
Literally the opposite of what 

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we thought was going to happen 
in Hallmark, man. 

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Because we're like oh so many 
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No stewing in awkwardness 
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My little fantasies are that 
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that they can't do anything at 
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Forget Murphy exists for a 
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Maybe it's the therapy I wish I 
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Maybe it's the therapy. 
You know, she needs to kind of 

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deal with some stuff first. 
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But they can't. 
Lots of good stuff can come from

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that love. 
That. 

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But anyway, the dairy coat of 
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There's a skeleton sitting with 
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in his hand. 
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It's not a threatening skeleton,
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for too long. 
He's over it, whatever is 

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happening. 
Too long to get to drinks. 

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Yeah, apparently there's a lot 
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skeleton is representing. 
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symbolic here. 
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to sit under, probably that. 
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tie in with book 9 or anything. 
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Speaking of saying Book 9 or 
anything else interesting. 

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Oh my. 
God nothing of no, clearly. 

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Except for the best Galentine's 
Day present that anyone ever 

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got, because we got Book 9 news.
Or should I say sleep tight 

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Evangeline News because that's 
the title. 

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And then drummer all but I'm not
allowed to hit my table so. 

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Yeah, sorry. 
I think it's so nice that she he

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gave us his title on Friday the 
13th. 

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It's it's such a lucky day for 
us now. 

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I think this might be my 
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Big different. 
I mean, we only have one more to

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go, but yeah, it's so different.
And I think I had guessed that 

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we'd be getting a non the title.
Unless the title of the final 

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book is The Strike and Ellicott 
Honeymoon. 

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That would be a favorite for 
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Great title. 
I think this one is really 

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really good. 
I love the. 

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Detective's honeymoon. 
Yeah, it just really evokes a 

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certain feeling. 
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yet. 
I don't know if it's poetic or 

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sweet or if it's really creepy. 
Oh, I went with all of these. 

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I was immediately like, oh 
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I can't wait. 
Could be very creepy. 

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Yeah, there is. 
Something slightly sinister in 

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that, and how? 
You read that serial killer shit

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whispering at you? 
Come on, that's horror movie 

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like yeah, 100. 
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you know, like, good morning, 
Clarice, you know. 

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The tight Clarice. 
You know, as always, we all take

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to the Internet to find 
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other literature or anything we 
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The first thing I saw a lot of 
people talking about was a song.

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Yes, so that is the song Sleep 
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Shambles, which is also now an 
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This band is so obscure. 
Crazy obscure. 

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Nick Jeffries wrote an article 
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He thinks, and I agree, that the
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Joe came up with the title for 
the book, did a quick Google and

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saw this band had released a 
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they've been performing the 
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And then she reached out to them
to get the rights and file the 

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copyright for the book title in 
2023, which we've discovered. 

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I think Ken's at the copyright. 
Three years ago. 

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Yeah. 
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was like, oh, a really big novel
with the title of our song is 

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going to drop in a few years, 
maybe we should release an album

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with that title too. 
Seems like kind of a no brainer.

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That seems more plausible to me 
than that Joe stumbled across 

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this incredibly tiny Midwest 
American grunge Blues band 

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because she does follow them on 
Twitter, but that could have 

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post dated finding the song. 
That's what I'm thinking too. 

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Something interesting that I did
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stuff, was that the trademark 
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filed on the 20th of October 
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Which is interesting because 
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Running Grave came out and two 
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filed for Hallmarked Man. 
So it says to me she's been 

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doing some serious planning as 
far as titles go. 

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I wonder if Book 10's title has 
been trademarked already. 

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Right. 
Like have we looked recently at 

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I? 
Know who's doing some 

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investigation, guys? 
I haven't found anything new 

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recently. 
I did check I think like a 

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couple months ago. 
I haven't found anything new. 

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I'm going to laugh a lot if the 
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Me too. 
I'm still kind of hoping because

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that would be very cool, but 
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Do you think this song could be 
the inspiration, Lindsay? 

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So they're a Blues band from 
Ohio. 

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Yeah. 
It's hard to see how that would 

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make its way over to the UK to 
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But the song was out before the 
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it'll come up. 
I don't know. 

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I don't know how popular this 
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I've never heard it before. 
I've never heard of this band, 

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although that doesn't mean 
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of because I listened to two 
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Let's be real. 
But neither me nor Kens. 

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Yeah, OK. 
I've never heard of them either,

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so. 
Nothing in the lyrics really 

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stands out to me either. 
This research did send me down a

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bit of a temple hat rabbit hole 
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music and I was thinking that 
Goodnight Sleep Tight is a 

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repeated refrain in Goodnight by
The Beatles from the White 

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Album, which is the same album 
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Helter Skelter, which could be 
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If we were going to have another
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epigraphs to parallel career of 
evil, The Beatles would be way 

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more likely than this obscure 
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And I was listening Goodnight 
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It's kind of like a lullaby, 
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maybe like a a weird kid who has
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kidnapped. 
I don't know. 

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A weird kid. 
Well, yeah, I mean, some kids. 

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Kids have weird interests. 
You know, kids get obsessed with

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weird stuff because they're 
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It just says sleep tight but not
Evangeline. 

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Yeah, just sleep tight. 
OK, so maybe it's a bit of a 

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tenuous connection then, because
it's a pretty common phrase, 

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which is a shame. 
It's a shame because I really 

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like the possibility of a 
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because I think that would 
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That's. 
What I was hoping. 

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For might also be tenuous, but 
the White Album was a huge part 

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of the Manson lore and those 
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And we know that Whitaker was 
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We know that he would play 
Manson's album, which, by the 

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way, is available on iTunes if 
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If anyone wants to listen to 
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No, you don't want to. 
Oddly enough, I think I'm good. 

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I'll pass. 
Who gets the proceeds of people 

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listening to it though is my 
question. 

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Not him, because he's dead. 
Yeah, true. 

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Anyway, we know that Whitaker 
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feel like he also would have 
played the White Album. 

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Right, that's. 
Which makes me think that Strike

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might not be a fan. 
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I just feel like we're going to 
have to see what occur again at 

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some point, but who knows, Who 
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Loose connection there. 
It's very. 

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Tenuous. 
I was just thinking music. 

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And then I was like, well, what 
about the song Mabel Evangeline 

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from The Princess and the Frock?
Actually, I'm not. 

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I'm lying. 
That was my very first thought 

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after hearing this title. 
I was like, oh, she is my 

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Evangeline. 
And then I found out that this 

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movie came out in 2009, which 
made me crash out because I 

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genuinely thought that it was 
only about 10 years old. 

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So that was a journey. 
But I'm like 2009, a little girl

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whose mom named her Evangeline, 
you know, after this movie Rite 

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Age to be kidnapped in 2017. 
Princess and the Frog is not my 

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favorite to be honest, so I did 
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movie. 
I've only seen it one time. 

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I know that I know some of the 
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it. 
I'm going to guess it's probably

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not Princess and the Frog. 
That's pretty for a guess, 

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although although there is a big
crocodile Gator, I don't know 

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which one he is. 
Yeah, I think it's a feel like 

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he's a Gator. 
No, I forget. 

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He's a Gator. 
Yeah, that's crazy that it's 

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almost 20 years old though. 
I. 

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Know right what's happening the 
forward passage of time no, 

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that's not right the. 
Onslaught of time is relentless.

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Another very big possibility 
that everyone has been talking 

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about is Longfellow's poem 
Evangeline. 

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Kurt was the first person I saw 
mentioned this online and I have

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since downloaded it on Apple 
Books. 

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It is free and I've also read 
summaries and some analysis. 

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I think that this is the most 
likely source, and I also think 

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that this gives us another 
potential epigraph source, which

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means that my current 2 guesses 
are the Psalms and Evangeline. 

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Cool. 
Yep. 

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This is my top contender for 
relevance to the title. 

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I think that this could be 
really fun. 

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I looked up some quotes for fun 
just to see epigraph potentials.

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Listen to this one. 
So it says whither my heart has 

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gone, there follows my hand and 
not elsewhere. 

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For when my heart goes before 
like a lamp and illumines the 

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pathway, many things are made 
clear that else lie hidden in 

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darkness. 
Oh, that would. 

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Who does that sound like, Robin?
She needs to turn on the big 

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light of her heart. 
Another one says, Patients, 

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accomplish thy labor, accomplish
thy work of affection. 

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Sorrow and silence are strong, 
and patience endurance is God 

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like. 
Therefore accomplish thy labor 

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of love till the heart is made. 
God like, purified, 

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strengthened, perfected, and 
rendered more worthy of heaven. 

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I felt like that was good too. 
That could definitely be got a 

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little smelting. 
Not a direct metaphor, but it's 

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the same kind of process as the 
alchemical right as the 

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purification. 
I like the word smelting I. 

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Use you. 
It's like melting but with an 

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extra something you know? 
Yeah, so this is another epic 

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poem, which if this is correct, 
it would be the second one she's

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used, right? 
Because the Fairy Queen. 

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Wasn't Aurora Lee? 
Maybe it was just really long, 

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but what is an epic poem? 
Such a really long poem. 

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Is it? 
Let me Google Aurora Lee right 

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now. 
Is Aurora Lee an epic? 

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OK, so third. 
It would be the third then. 

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Third time's the Charm, so this 
one was written in 1847 by Henry

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Wadsworth Longfellow. 
Fantastic name. 

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Yeah, Wadsworth Longfellow. 
Well, I love Wadsworth because 

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of Clue. 
Let's just get that out of the 

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way. 
Makes you sound like a Butler, 

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Wadsworth. 
Yeah, Wadsworth was the Butler. 

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This is a tragic love story 
about two young lovers who are 

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separated on their wedding day 
by the British Expulsion of 

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Acadians from Nova Scotia. 
And it ends in America. 

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I think it is around Louisiana, 
I think. 

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Where a lot of the Acadians 
resettled. 

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But like those two lovers, being
separated really fits with your 

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engaged couple theory doesn't. 
It yes, I didn't. 

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How did I not even think of 
that? 

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I don't know. 
I assumed it was coming up and I

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was just giving you a segue. 
Wow, yeah, that's pretty cool 

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though. 
Totally fits. 

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It follows Evangeline's lifelong
quest to find her husband, 

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Gabriel, and it ends when 
they're both elderly. 

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So she ends up joining the 
convent or something as a nun, 

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yeah. 
Or as a nurse. 

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And she finds him when he's 
dying in an alms house and he 

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dies in her arms. 
That's so sad. 

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A lot of people get discouraged 
with the gloomy love story, but 

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there are really good themes in 
here. 

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So there are things like 
unwavering faith and enduring 

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love. 
And the sad ending can just be 

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for the murder victims. 
Right. 

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Of course, of course. 
And then striking Robin get the 

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happy ending. 
We know, we know it's. 

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Yeah, EUR and Psyche. 
Exactly. 

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I love that. 
I think the themes that are in 

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the story are really hopeful and
we need to not catastrophize 

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quite so much. 
Calm down. 

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Take a few deep breaths. 
Although Robin might be on the 

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verge of running off to join a 
nunnery at this point, she's so 

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stressed, she's like, I'm out of
here. 

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Get that girl on a plane out. 
Sister Detective Robin Ellicott.

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I have not read this whole thing
yet. 

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I don't know if I will read will
thing. 

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I will if it turns out to be an 
upper graph source. 

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Well, I did read a lot of 
summaries and analysis. 

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One of the things I found is 
that Evangeline faith in God is 

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something that's a big theme in 
the book. 

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It sustains her during the 
story. 

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It's a theme that would really 
resonate with the angels, the 

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Psalms, the devil charms. 
It kind of connects. 

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I was going to say that I'm 
getting shades of the whole 

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touchstone thing from Running 
Grave, but like from Robin's 

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perspective, if we're talking 
about her having like Faith and 

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Strike, I guess I'm hoping for 
that with the anchor thing. 

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And of course, we we love seeing
enduring love as a theme, 

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obviously. 
So yeah, don't get discouraged 

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by this couple's tragic story. 
These things usually represent 

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the pace, but Echo Strike and 
Robin, it doesn't mean anything 

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bad for them. 
But I think we can take hope 

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from knowing eventually and 
always loved this one man and 

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sought after him. 
Absolutely. 

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And like I was mentioning, we 
can't forget about the EUR and 

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Psyche picture that Joe posted, 
which she said was in some way 

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relevant to the book because 
it's one of the few love stories

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in Greek mythology that actually
has a happy ending, a really 

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happy ending, very happy ending.
That and from the news earlier 

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that they'll be sitting together
in a pub at some point. 

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So like, they're not going to be
a part. 

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Things are going to be OK for 
these two. 

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Yeah. 
If we get confirmation that this

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is the source, I think that 
there's a lot more that we can 

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really dive into with this one. 
There's one more thing I wanted 

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to kind of I go over. 
I'm not sure if this is going to

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have any connection with the 
book, but I just found this so 

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interesting. 
So the lady Beatrice on X, she 

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posted a thread about the beef 
between Longfellow and Edgar 

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Allan Poe. 
She says one possible source for

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the title and possibly the 
epigraphs is the epic poem 

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Evangeline by American poet 
Longfellow. 

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But fellow American poet Edgar 
Allan Poe also published a poem 

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titled Evangeline. 
This one was a swipe at 

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Longfellow. 
Let me summarize the story. 

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Longfellow was a celebrity poet 
in his day, absolutely beloved 

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by Americans in his heyday of 
American poetry. 

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His fellow poets generally 
respected and were friends with 

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him, except for Edgar Allan Poe,
beloved today. 

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Poe lived in poverty. 
He once wrote to Longfellow 

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proposing a working relationship
and was politely rejected. 

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This began the Little Longfellow
War, in which Poe used his 

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platform as a literary critic in
magazines to publicly criticize 

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the popular Longfellow. 
What a little turd he's. 

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The worst? 
He accused Longfellow unfairly 

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of plagiarism, claiming he stole
ideas and style rather than 

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actual words. 
There were no copyright laws on 

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plagiarism at the time. 
Longfellow did not respond, but 

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his friends and supporters did, 
further damaging Poe's 

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reputation. 
This back and forth continued 

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for years. 
One of Poe's attacks on 

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Longfellow was a poem he titled 
Evangeline. 

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So we have a wildly famous 
author who is relentlessly 

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attacked with little logical 
basis. 

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Sounds familiar to present day. 
And then she also says one of 

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the gold bracelet header is an 
alligator next to a Raven. 

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Alligators have a squared nose 
versus crocodiles. 

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Pointed nose. 
Alligators are native to 

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Louisiana, where the expelled 
Acadians established the Cajun 

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What if Asian culture. 
Alligator got a nose drop 

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though. 
Longfellow's poem is about 

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Acadians. 
OK, so first of all, when we did

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our charm bracelet episode, I 
said that I found the opposite 

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for these charms. 
So the ones from the bracelet do

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seem to say crocodile and crow. 
However, that doesn't 

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necessarily mean that that's why
she bought that. 

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I mean, she could easily buy a 
crow charm and say it's a Raven,

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you know? 
So it could be in an alligator 

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and a Raven, who knows. 
It would mean my crocodile rock 

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find would be incorrect, which 
would be a little sad, but 

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that's OK. 
It was fun. 

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It was fun anyway. 
I'm. 

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I'm still putting money on 
crocodile rock being the meaning

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behind the charm. 
I just have a feeling, I feel 

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like a lot of her little clues 
end up appearing really 

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literally in the novel. 
Yeah. 

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And an animal native to the 
setting of part of an epigraph 

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source poem. 
It seems a bit. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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You know, but the rock that's 
called crocodile rock. 

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Yeah, we'll see. 
We'll see though, love the whole

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Poe thing. 
I just think the beef with Poe 

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is so it's funny. 
It's juvenile. 

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Yeah. 
It feels one sided based in 

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jealousy. 
I don't know much about him. 

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Apparently he had a lot of 
literary feuds. 

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He he, he married his very young
cousin, which I've always found 

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could be. 
And by very young, I mean he was

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27 and she was 13. 
When they got married. 

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That's gross. 
It's super gross. 

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He's not. 
He's very gross. 

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I really like that Longfellow 
didn't respond. 

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He took the High Road. 
Yeah, he was. 

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He was classy about. 
It not sure if I would have done

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it. 
No, you're the type to be like, 

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let me get my receipts and tell 
you to get the hell out of here.

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I'm just saying. 
Back to the title focusing on 

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the name itself, Evangeline. 
It means gospel or bearer of 

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good news. 
Also note Angel right in the 

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middle. 
Of it, Gospel is the Greek word 

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for good news. 
And also Angel like you said, 

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fits very well with some of the 
vibes we've already been given. 

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And I realized that her husband 
is Gabriel, which is another 

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Angel reference. 
The two charms, the 2 Angel 

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charms we thought were a boy and
a girl. 

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They're Evangeline and Gabriel. 
Oh, that could be. 

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It totally could be that both 
names they have Angel 

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connections. 
I feel like I've blown my own 

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mind over this when I realized 
this the other day. 

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Yeah. 
That would make a lot of sense. 

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It would. 
And again, I have to come back 

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to the Psalms in the Devil box, 
the connection with her name. 

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I feel like there's definitely 
some sort of spiritual aspects 

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to this book. 
I don't know how that's going to

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play out, but I feel like it's 
exciting. 

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Yeah, I think I saw people, some
people discussing about how like

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every other book, book has got 
some sort of esoteric something 

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going on with it. 
So I wouldn't be surprised if 

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there was some spiritual stuff 
in this book. 

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I think it would be interesting.
Like a colt in book 7, tarot in 

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book 5. 
One other thing, I don't know 

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how much I think this is going 
to be the case, but some people 

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have suggested that the 
Evangeline part of the Book Nine

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title might be connected to 
Alyssa's daughter Angel as well,

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if Angel is a nickname, but I 
don't know that's one I'm not, I

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think. 
Something tells me Angel her 

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actual name. 
I think so too. 

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But Speaking of names, someone 
on Twitter pointed out that 

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Sleep Tight Evangeline is an 
anagram for the Vengeance 

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Gillespie. 
Stop. 

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I have to imagine. 
I have to imagine. 

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That's a coincidence, but that's
really funny. 

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That is really funny, I wish I 
could remember who pointed that 

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out. 
Let me know because I know 

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someone. 
I just forget Gillespie. 

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Of anagrams, so I feel like I 
need to go look at some other 

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ones. 
Oh OK, what could be the hidden 

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message here? 
OK, a negligee, 10th pelvis. 

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That's nine pelvis is too many 
a. 11th leggiest nip. 

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That is really disturbing a very
it's a very leggy nipple. 

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This bothers me that it's. 
I know that's driving me. 

455
00:22:54,120 --> 00:22:56,680
Shouldn't have doesn't count as 
a sentence. 

456
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,160
You shouldn't have more than two
it. 

457
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:04,640
Could be an 11th and leggiest, 
you know, a teeth. 

458
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,680
Sniveling Peg. 
Oh, teeth is a word, I guess. 

459
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,080
What babies do. 
Yeah. 

460
00:23:10,120 --> 00:23:12,800
OK, these are not seeming 
promising. 

461
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,000
Well, just wait. 
Just wait a 11 niggle. 

462
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,520
Pettish. 
Pettish. 

463
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,800
Interesting. 
Nickel pettish. 

464
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,360
Nickel Pettish is so good, I 
don't know. 

465
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,720
I like that. 
A seething peeving tell. 

466
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,760
That's the most promising 1 so 
far. 

467
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,800
I like that seething peeving. 
Seething peeving tell like 

468
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,240
someones really annoyed and they
they drop a tell on themselves. 

469
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,160
I like that. 
OK, one more, one more. 

470
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:47,840
Yeah, an intelligent sheep veg. 
That's good, I mean. 

471
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,560
She would fit with Michael 
Ellicott. 

472
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,200
She would fit. 
I like that. 

473
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,040
Isn't that like part of a sheet 
of veg? 

474
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:54,960
It sounds like a plot of Veggie 
Tales. 

475
00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,640
Veggies go with lamb. 
I don't know, like a a a veggie 

476
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,960
that goes with mutton. 
An intelligent sheep. 

477
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:07,280
Have you guys seen the trailer 
for The Sheep Murders? 

478
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,800
Yeah, that looks. 
That looks so. 

479
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:16,800
No, it looks so cute. 
Come on, it looks. 

480
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,520
So cute. 
Let me know if it's any good 

481
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,280
because. 
I want to see it legit. 

482
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,680
Yeah. 
They're sheep who solve a 

483
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,600
murderer. 
They are. 

484
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,320
It's cute. 
They are they. 

485
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,560
Solve their shepherds murder. 
It's cute. 

486
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,760
OK, so that's breaking down 
Evangeline. 

487
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,720
Now what about sleep tight? 
So sleep tight. 

488
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,720
I looked up the origin of the 
phrase. 

489
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,880
There's a comment it originates 
from having to like tighten the 

490
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:47,360
ropes that served as support for
beds like back in eel medieval 

491
00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:49,240
whatever. 
But the phrase is actually 

492
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,080
really a 20th century thing 
because there's only one written

493
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,320
occurrence of it before then, 
and that was in the 19th 

494
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,880
century. 
So tight just means soundly or 

495
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,520
well. 
And the phrase just became 

496
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,560
popular because it rhymes with 
good night. 

497
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,400
And then people added don't let 
the bed bugs bite because people

498
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,800
have a rhyme. 
But it is seriously giving me 

499
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,800
Buried Alive vibes. 
What doesn't give you buried 

500
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,360
alive vibes? 
Sleep well in your coffin 6 feet

501
00:25:14,360 --> 00:25:17,440
under Oh, which would also be 
very tight. 

502
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,520
A bit creepy. 
What if in this book we got the 

503
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,720
killer's point of view again? 
Yes, please. 

504
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,680
Him whispering sleep tight 
Evangeline to his victim would 

505
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,360
be so creepy. 
I could totally see this whisper

506
00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:31,840
idea happening if we're right 
about it being a kidnapping and 

507
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,720
a missing woman. 
Her name could be Evangeline, 

508
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,800
but what if it's not her name? 
What if it's connected to the 

509
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,880
kidnapper or killer in some way?
Exactly. 

510
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,920
You know what I mean? 
Like he sees all women as this 

511
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,920
one woman in his life that he's 
lost or something. 

512
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,400
Super messed up. 
Oh, they're all Evangeline, 

513
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,400
Yeah. 
I could see that it being a 

514
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,840
weird thing with the killer. 
The name, yeah. 

515
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,480
I was also thinking what if 
drugging it would fit with Sleep

516
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,600
Tight? 
It might say with the psyche 

517
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,080
thing too. 
Yeah, as part of keeping someone

518
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,480
captive and quiet. 
Yeah. 

519
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,160
Or kidnapping them easily. 
Yeah, yeah, 100%. 

520
00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:08,240
Watch this book have nothing to 
do with kidnapping whatsoever. 

521
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,960
Want it to though. 
I really want to feel like it's 

522
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:16,720
connecting with Persephone and 
right, yeah, we'll see. 

523
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,280
She's messing with us. 
Again. 

524
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,560
Wait till we get that synopsis 
and we're going to be like, wow 

525
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,800
we were so wrong. 
Oh, I can't. 

526
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,040
But what if we're right? 
Tingles thinking about tingles 

527
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,040
thinking about having this book.
We're still going to learn more 

528
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,280
between now and when she 
finishes the book by the end of 

529
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:34,960
the year, which is crazy to 
think about. 

530
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,880
And then we're going to be in 
that last week before we get to 

531
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,240
read the book. 
How could we suffering OK 

532
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,600
Chapter 22. 
In this chapter Robin helped 

533
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,040
strike with his Christmas 
shopping the epigraph for this 

534
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:52,360
chapter, but chiefly the great 
and troublesome question of who 

535
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,760
and that is from chapter 37 of A
Maid of the Silver Sea by John 

536
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,800
Oxenum. 
I think this is probably just 

537
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,960
referring to Strike and Robin 
wondering who is sending them 

538
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,200
these threats. 
Who is this mysterious, powerful

539
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,120
man a shrinker's warning about? 
And there's, you know, a 

540
00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:11,600
constant undercurrent of who was
that body in the vault? 

541
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:16,400
Yeah, guess who? 
Or who let the dogs out to 

542
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:17,280
fight? 
Who, who? 

543
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:18,320
Who? 
Who? 

544
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,360
Wow, that was really bad. 
I'm going to do my impression of

545
00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:23,480
an owl trying to solve a 
mystery. 

546
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:29,800
Oh no, who? 
OK so the chapter opens with sub

547
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,480
mutual hiding slash lying 
between Robin and Murphy. 

548
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,240
Surely a good sign of things to 
come, right? 

549
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,800
Really a sign this relationship 
is going to go the distance. 

550
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,040
The couple that lies together 
dies together. 

551
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,400
Wow, it's kind of morbid 
actually, now that I. 

552
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,880
Yeah, Robin still doesn't want 
Murphy to know what they're 

553
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,080
investigating, so she's very 
short on the phone call with 

554
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,480
Strike. 
This line really made me laugh, 

555
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,520
where it says as pretending to 
want a shower immediately after 

556
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,280
her work part partner had called
her might give her boyfriend 

557
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:05,240
well justified grounds for 
suspicion Murphy might suspect. 

558
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,480
It was a cold shower. 
Yeah, to be fair, his, his 

559
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,240
grounds, his grounds for 
suspicion are are on pretty 

560
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,280
solid foundations. 
Yeah, it's a good Yeah, OK. 

561
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,480
Yeah. 
That is a funny line. 

562
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,760
It is then, it says that the 
newspaper article about Murphy's

563
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,600
case came out and Robin learned 
from reading the article that 

564
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,440
they originally arrested the 
wrong person, so Murphy did not 

565
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,240
tell her about that little 
hiccup in his investigation. 

566
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,040
I know it might be a little 
hypocritical because Robin is 

567
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,680
lying by omission to Murphy 
about their investigation, but 

568
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,680
I'd be a little upset if I had 
to learn why my boyfriend's been

569
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,000
so down from an article and not 
from him. 

570
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,560
Not a good sign about the level 
of trust in that relationship. 

571
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,040
I guess it's a little different.
Robin isn't telling Murphy 

572
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,240
something because he'd be mad 
and has no right to be mad. 

573
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,520
It's the same with Matthew in 
Silkworm. 

574
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,560
Robin has to lie because those 
two men made it known that 

575
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,120
they'd be mad if she'd be 
honest. 

576
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,400
It's totally. 
Different, she would have been 

577
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,920
super supportive. 
He would not have been a Dick. 

578
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,320
Should we talk about what the 
police's mistake was though? 

579
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,640
It was the shooting of those two
little boys. 

580
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,760
And I think it turns out in the 
end that it was stray gunfire 

581
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,080
from a gang shootout, wasn't it?
Yeah, I know. 

582
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,680
They kept saying gang shooting. 
That should have been a pretty 

583
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:27,160
easy one to, but OK, I'm not a 
cop. 

584
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:28,760
Maybe I don't know the 
complexities. 

585
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,120
They wrongfully arrested the 
mother's estranged boyfriend. 

586
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,840
Yeah. 
Which has to be infuriating for 

587
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,840
the victim. 
Done fucked up, Murphy, You done

588
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,920
fucked up. 
Robin suspects that that Murphy 

589
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,200
was personally involved in this.
To be fair, I'd want to look at 

590
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,280
the estranged boyfriend too. 
It was crossfire. 

591
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,720
I'm sorry, I just googled it. 
A six year old boy had been shot

592
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,800
dead and his nine year old 
brother blinded when caught in 

593
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,600
the crossfire of what was 
believed to be a gang. 

594
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,040
Being in East London, there's 
crossfire which means there are 

595
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,880
gang members. 
How do you think it was the 

596
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,160
estranged boyfriend? 
Unless they think he was part of

597
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,920
the gang. 
Yeah, or like every single gang 

598
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,880
member just ran away and there 
was absolutely no witnesses to 

599
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,600
say this was a gang shooting 
each other. 

600
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,080
I don't know. 
Murphy's investigation in Ink 

601
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:14,840
Black Heart a little shoddy as 
well. 

602
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,920
He thought it was the happening.
Yeah. 

603
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:21,000
This is probably why he's so mad
at Strike for, you know, trying 

604
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,680
to get one up on the police 
because Strike got up on him 

605
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,960
during Black Heart. 
Yeah, it's because Murphy's not 

606
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,800
that great a detective. 
Sucks to be constantly shown up 

607
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,400
by the guy your girlfriend's 
actually in love with. 

608
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,560
Your girlfriend likes competent 
detective. 

609
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,040
Sorry and. 
Also your girlfriend herself. 

610
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,280
That reminds me of in Harry 
Potter, Yeah, when I think it's 

611
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,520
Mcgonigal. 
I was thinking when Hermione was

612
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,360
like trying to piss off Ron and 
she was like, I like really good

613
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,120
Quidditch players like you are 
savage Hermione. 

614
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:56,040
Doesn't Mcgonigal say that about
Harry receiving top marks for 

615
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,760
Defense Against the Dark Arts 
teacher? 

616
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,360
And then Umbridge says something
like, no, he doesn't. 

617
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,200
And she says, sorry, I met with 
competent teachers. 

618
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:08,280
With everyone set by a competent
teacher, Yeah, I love Mcgonigal.

619
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,160
Oh I can't wait for the show to 
get more Mcgonigal content. 

620
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,920
She's my hero. 
Did you hear that they're almost

621
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,280
done filming the first season 
they have just like a couple. 

622
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,400
Yeah, we're getting it next 
year, so. 

623
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,800
Excited. 
I know next year is going to be 

624
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,080
a great year for JK Rowling 
content for us guys. 

625
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,200
Anyway, going back to Murphy's 
shitty detective work, I think 

626
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,000
there's a fundamental lack of 
imagination in terms of 

627
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,480
considering other possibilities 
in the investigation. 

628
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,920
And if there's one thing we all 
know, it's what a cardinal sin 

629
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,000
in AJK Rowan novel is lacking 
imagination. 

630
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,880
It's an unforgivable character 
flaw, right up there with being 

631
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,640
overly handsome. 
Or an accountant, which, sorry, 

632
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,880
accountant listeners, I know we 
have a handful of them. 

633
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,160
Well, that's how you know that 
Matthew's the worst, because 

634
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,360
he's all three. 
He's all three. 

635
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,200
There's a line here where Robin 
is again thinking about Murphy's

636
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,520
kindness after the UHC and her 
hospitalization. 

637
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,160
Obviously I don't like this 
because she's still convincing 

638
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,760
herself that him being kind is 
something she needs to pay back,

639
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,960
which kind of reminds me of 
Strike a little bit. 

640
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,440
But I don't really think there's
anything wrong with her wanting 

641
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,320
to be supportive of his work 
troubles. 

642
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:18,920
I mean, what is she supposed to 
do? 

643
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,440
Tell him she read the article 
and talk about how badly he 

644
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:22,400
messed up. 
Yeah. 

645
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:27,680
Yes. 
Oh, am I the only critical Virgo

646
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,560
here? 
I'm like yeah, tell your partner

647
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,080
exactly where they fucked up and
how they can fix it next time. 

648
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,960
I'm sorry, what? 
Nothing. 

649
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,360
I don't know, I feel it's like 
that you're in a bit of a 

650
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,080
between a rock and a hard place 
sort of situation because it's 

651
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,640
like it's not really the time to
bring it up if he's already 

652
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,480
feeling bad about it. 
But I can see why she'd want to 

653
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,760
know more. 
She doesn't need to be like, oh,

654
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,840
he's so kind, so I need to do 
this. 

655
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,600
You know what? 
I mean, that's, yeah, that's 

656
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,680
evidence of how she feels like 
she owes. 

657
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,040
It shows a transactional view a 
little bit. 

658
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,840
Yeah, like how Strike was. 
Well, like I think Matthew 

659
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,040
trained her into that by 
probably guilting her with 

660
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,800
everything he did. 
Anyway, I remember audibly 

661
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:09,160
groaning in frustration at these
next bits where Murphy's telling

662
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,240
her how lucky he is to have her,
and she says it back. 

663
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,960
I was like, well, just awful. 
Once he falls asleep, all she 

664
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,280
wants to do is sneak out of bed 
and go call Strike. 

665
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,200
I'm like Robin girl. 
But also, I feel the exact 

666
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,040
opposite of lucky for having 
Murphy. 

667
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:27,840
I feel absolutely cursed for 
having him like he is a plague 

668
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:29,400
on my house. 
Oh. 

669
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,520
Amen on all of our houses. 
We didn't ask for him. 

670
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:33,840
No one wanted. 
Him. 

671
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,800
No one wants him. 
What wants you here, Murphy? 

672
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:38,880
Go away with. 
Us. 

673
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,080
Well, at least that curse should
break next book. 

674
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,240
Ken's. 
I swear, I swear, if you just 

675
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,000
jinxed us right now, it won't be
me. 

676
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,600
I will jump through the screen. 
RIP. 

677
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,680
But it is The funny thing about 
him being named Murphy though, 

678
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,200
isn't it? 
It's Murphy's Law. 

679
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,480
It's not luck. 
You can't tell me that's not why

680
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,640
she named Tim Murphy. 100%. 
Everything that could go wrong 

681
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,640
did go wrong. 
Sadly, instead of calling 

682
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,880
Strike, she falls asleep and she
dreams that she and Strike are 

683
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,880
back in the silver shop, but 
instead of silver, it's full of 

684
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,440
cuddly toys. 
Ah, she's. 

685
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,800
The biggest cuddly toy being 
Strike, of course. 

686
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:24,679
Or can I get one for my bedroom?
Murphy had just told Robin how 

687
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:28,520
lucky he is to have her and 
they're looking at houses. 

688
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,040
She knows he wants children, but
all she wants to do at the end 

689
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,760
of the day is go call strike. 
So I think her we're. 

690
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,440
Going to say cuddle strike. 
Oh well, that too cuddly. 

691
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,040
Toy that too. 
I think her subconscious is 

692
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,480
telling her exactly where she 
wants to be. 

693
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,280
This dream is merging these two 
parts of her life. 

694
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,719
It's the detective work with 
Strike merged with this 

695
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,560
potential life represented by 
the cuddly toys. 

696
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,280
She wants both parts of her life
with Strike. 

697
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,920
I looked up stuffed animals as a
symbol in dreams in the very 

698
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,720
authoritative dream journals on 
the Internet, you know, And 

699
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:04,480
apparently they can represent a 
longing for childhood, a time 

700
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,840
where we felt safe, loved and 
protected. 

701
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,800
Or they can be a sign of our 
stressed mind trying to find a 

702
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:15,120
sense of comfort and security, 
which I think fits nicely next 

703
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,480
to what you were saying. 
Because where does Robin find 

704
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,960
comfort and security? 
Where does she feel loved and 

705
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,160
protected with Strike 
investigating murders? 

706
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,440
With her touchstone. 
I'm still thinking of kind of 

707
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,880
the kids aspects of having kids 
and wondering about that, which 

708
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,600
takes me back to Silkworm, 
right, where she wished that 

709
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,960
these two parts of her life 
would mesh together. 

710
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,720
Yeah, but that makes sense. 
Too, The time has come to make 

711
00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:40,920
that happen. 
Make it mesh. 

712
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,120
Make it gel. 
At least she's not foolishly 

713
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,800
being like why can't they get 
along? 

714
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,040
I like both of them. 
This. 

715
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:47,640
Time. 
Why can't they like each other? 

716
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,840
And her nose. 
Full well, Why can't they get 

717
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:51,440
along? 
Why? 

718
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,880
Can't they just get along? 
I like both of them. 

719
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,640
Oh, Robin. 
I feel like we'd be doing an 

720
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,320
injustice if we didn't talk 
about the kid question for a 

721
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,280
minute, because some people 
might look at this as a sign 

722
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,440
that Strike and Robin could have
a kid, right? 

723
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,680
If she's with Strike, with all 
these cuddly toys, I feel like 

724
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,280
I'm much less sure about this 
than I used to be. 

725
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,040
I used to really think they were
not going to have any children, 

726
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,920
and they still might not. 
But I think that JK Rowling has 

727
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,600
set it up in a way where either 
Rd. would be believable and 

728
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,000
where readers are going to 
interpret things with their own 

729
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,400
biases. 
And I really don't know which 

730
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:30,680
way it's going to go at this 
point. 

731
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,120
Yeah, I'm with you there. 
And I've been thinking the same 

732
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,960
as far as like feelings changing
slightly about the certainty I 

733
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,480
have that they won't because to 
be honest, I'm not super 

734
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,360
emotionally invested in either 
outcome. 

735
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,040
I just want them to be happy. 
Another thing that's been and 

736
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:47,120
standing out to me in regards to
this question is what Shanker 

737
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,800
says about kids. 
I don't remember when he says 

738
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,720
this. 
Is it in troubled blood or is it

739
00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:53,400
in this I? 
Feel like it was in troubled. 

740
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,080
Blood when he says it's what 
it's all about. 

741
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,680
Kids is what it's all about. 
I think that was in running 

742
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,480
grave. 
Oh, it is in the running grave. 

743
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,280
What does he say? 
33 you missed Ripple, bastard, 

744
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,600
said Shanker, contemplating 
Strike with incredulity. 

745
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,840
Kids is what it's all about. 
Fucking hell, look at your mom, 

746
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,760
you free with everything to her.
Yep, it stands out to me as 

747
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,320
potentially significant because 
Jakey Rowling has talked about 

748
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,560
her kids being some of her 
favorite people in a way that 

749
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,760
reminds me of how Shanker talks.
I don't know, we'll see. 

750
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,560
But the way that Shrike took 
Shanker's relationship advice in

751
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:31,120
this book, it kind of reminded 
me of that time when Shanker 

752
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,840
said that. 
Well, if it does happen, we 

753
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,800
can't say that the groundwork 
hasn't been laid. 

754
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,520
It has, it has. 
Both roads have been laid. 

755
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,520
I think we just have to see. 
Just different colored bricks. 1

756
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,280
is once yellow. 
Now I'm gonna sing. 

757
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,120
Follow the yellow brick road. 
I know, sorry. 

758
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,440
By the way, can we pivot for a 
second and talk about that vomit

759
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,120
that we got? 
I saw an e-mail about a Wizard 

760
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,920
of Oz connection. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

761
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,280
I wondered what references to 
the Wizard of Oz you found, and 

762
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,240
this was to Iris's post First 
thoughts and literary 

763
00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:08,400
connections from Emily Oz, who 
turns out not to exist. 

764
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,680
The Ruby necklace, which is a 
reference to the Ruby slippers. 

765
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:18,160
Lots of short people. 
Everywhere. 

766
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,240
That's funny and cowardly. 
Danny's a lion. 

767
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,000
Oh, so is one of the men 
heartless and one of the men 

768
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,680
brainless? 
I know is. 

769
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,280
So is there a scarecrow and a 
tin man in a yellow brick road? 

770
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,040
We got to look for this because 
I feel like I'd be obsessed. 

771
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,880
I'd be obsessed if we could make
it a Wizard of Oz connection. 

772
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:40,520
Well, Semple did get a brain 
injury, so he needs his brain 

773
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,840
back. 
He doesn't get it, so he's the 

774
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,640
scarecrow. 
And then who's the other guy? 

775
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,920
Yeah, but The thing is about The
thing is about Wizard of Oz is 

776
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,160
that they actually do have those
things, right? 

777
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,280
Because the Scarecrow is. 
And Rupert loves and he can 

778
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:54,880
never have his love. 
Exactly. 

779
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,880
Oh my God, we cracked it. 
I want to look into this for 

780
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,680
real, but I like that, Yeah, 
come back to it. 

781
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:01,760
Come back. 
To it, I nailed it. 

782
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,240
That's it. 
We did it. 

783
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,160
Close up shop, we're done. 
No, I want to look more into the

784
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:07,800
Wizard of Oz. 
OK, fine. 

785
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,760
Let's move on. 
Let's go to the Plug case. 

786
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,200
Robin is out on surveillance at 
the Plug house and her heart is 

787
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,200
really going out to the two 
people forced to live with Plug 

788
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,760
so his elderly mother with 
Alzheimer's and his 14 year old 

789
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:20,920
son. 
That's. 

790
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,400
Yeah, I think there's a bit of a
connection with the two elderly 

791
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,680
women in this book. 
So Plug's mother and Tyler's 

792
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,960
grandmother, I think it might be
pointing us in the direction of 

793
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,600
what other elderly woman is 
being taken advantage of or used

794
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:35,720
by a bad guy. 
Oh. 

795
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,040
That makes sense. 
And then there's the son. 

796
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,960
First of all, Robin's thought is
so funny that says not only was 

797
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,960
the boy burdened with his 
father's ears and overbite, he 

798
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,200
seemed lonely, forlorn and often
looked scared. 

799
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,280
I feel so bad for this kid 
burdened with his father's 

800
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,360
genetics and his crimes because 
the father's roping him in on 

801
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,320
this. 
But going back to his father's 

802
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,600
ears and overbite, could this 
description be a little hint to 

803
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,560
the genetic connection between 
Desma and Rupert? 

804
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,520
Because they both did. 
They both inherit that round 

805
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,120
face from their father. 
Well now I'm just thinking of 

806
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,760
Tylers large ears though. 
Yes, that's another clue. 

807
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,960
The large ears pointing us to 
who who the body is. 

808
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:21,560
Another connection to Griffs I 
think is he uses his child in 

809
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,040
his criminal dealings. 
Yeah, air quotes. 

810
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:28,000
For grips on that one. 
Yeah, I think the whole 

811
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,720
connection to the side case is 
really working for this one, 

812
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,600
yeah. 
Oh yeah, the side case is side 

813
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,680
casing. 
I guess the whole case with the 

814
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,600
dog fighting is a reflection of 
the larger case too. 

815
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,080
So we have this whole group of 
bad men coming together and 

816
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,920
paying and using these dogs for 
their own financial gain and 

817
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,480
entertainment. 
It's the lesser version of 

818
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,120
what's going on with Griff's sex
trafficking scheme. 

819
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,360
I think that this might be one 
of the books where the side 

820
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,360
cases tie the most into the main
case. 

821
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:55,920
And this is a big case for most 
of the. 

822
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,240
Oh, and it pays off so well. 
More. 

823
00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:01,280
Valentine's Day should include 
dog bites and pepper spray. 

824
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,720
So romantic. 
Someone should always be almost 

825
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:06,680
losing his balls on Valentine's 
Day or you're not doing it 

826
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,240
right. 
I'm going to pitch the idea to 

827
00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:10,200
David next. 
Year he'll love it. 

828
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,680
It's like they like to walk the 
Danger Rd. 

829
00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:16,240
You know the danger zone. 
How do you like narrowly 

830
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:18,880
avoiding castration? 
What are your feelings? 

831
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,280
Love it. 
I love it a lot better than the 

832
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,360
alternative, I guess what he'll 
say. 

833
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,680
OK, we can't forget to mention 
that Robin chasing after plug 

834
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,480
son is giving her a pain in her 
side. 

835
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,560
It's that thorn in her side, AKA
her relationship with Murphy. 

836
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,000
It's causing her pain again. 
And we're reminded of that 

837
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,960
doctor's appointment that she's 
avoiding this pain. 

838
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,320
It comes up maybe 5 or 6 times 
in this chapter. 

839
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:48,880
It comes up a lot. 
It does. 

840
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,120
I was surprised nothing more 
came of it in this book. 

841
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,680
To be honest, I was almost 
certain that she was going to 

842
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,240
have to visit the hospital 
again. 

843
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,120
I. 
Was too hey, maybe that's what 

844
00:41:58,120 --> 00:41:59,600
stops her from going to the 
Ritz. 

845
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,080
Something tears or whatever and 
she has to go back to the 

846
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:03,240
hospital. 
We'll take. 

847
00:42:03,240 --> 00:42:06,240
It there's a lot of predictions 
this time around about Robin 

848
00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:08,720
spending the beginning of a 
sleep tight Evangeline in the 

849
00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:11,360
hospital. 
As a fandom, we would rather 

850
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,320
Robin be in the hospital than at
the Ritz with Murphy. 

851
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,480
You know, that's fair. 
Some of the foreshadowing where 

852
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,480
she just is too distracted and 
gets hit by a bus is like The 

853
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,520
foreshadowing is unfortunately 
there in this book. 

854
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,720
Like what? 
Well, like Strike thinking of 

855
00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:29,800
getting hit by a bus. 
That whole thing with Charlotte 

856
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,880
getting hit by a bus and him 
being frantic. 

857
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,840
Robin leaving the office 
completely. 

858
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,320
Discombobulated and. 
Watch where she's going. 

859
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,400
Wardle's brother getting hit by 
a bus. 

860
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,120
I think that came up again. 
Or just hit by a. 

861
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:42,440
Car. 
Crossing. 

862
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,720
The only reason I'm not too 
worried is that I think it would

863
00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:46,840
be like the exact same opening 
as this book. 

864
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,200
Robin in the hospital. 
So I don't think she'd redo it, 

865
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,360
but what if she did? 
But what if she did? 

866
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,680
What if she did? 
Maybe she's not hit by a car in 

867
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,160
the beginning, maybe it's later.
Oh, just whatever it takes to 

868
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:00,680
get out of the Ritz. 
Yeah. 

869
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:02,960
All right, let's go to the phone
call with Strike. 

870
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,080
I'm so glad that it's just the 
light hearted phone call. 

871
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,200
I needed this. 
Me too. 

872
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,880
In a book that is so full of 
doom and gloom, it's always nice

873
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,160
to have these little rays of 
sunshine peeking through 

874
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,440
sometimes. 
Feels like there could have been

875
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,920
a few more of them. 
Is it wishful thinking on my 

876
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,680
part to feel like we have to see
them talk about the Ritz one day

877
00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:25,360
because they're reminded of that
whole night here? 

878
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:26,760
Yeah. 
I don't think that that's 

879
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,600
wishful thinking at all, but the
amount of times that the Ritz, 

880
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,760
either the actual location or 
the thing that happened at the 

881
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,920
beginning of Ink Black Heart, 
has been brought up, I feel like

882
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,080
it's an almost certainty that 
they'll talk about it at some 

883
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:41,240
point. 
I hope so. 

884
00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:44,200
Oh, and it would be so good. 
I feel like when she gets to the

885
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,040
Ritz, Ryan's going to be waiting
for her in the bar and she's 

886
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,560
going to have like the wrong guy
sitting across from me at this 

887
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,440
table. 
That's the only way I would 

888
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,520
really love. 
I would really love for her to 

889
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,240
get there like. 
Happened to pick their table, 

890
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:58,560
she said. 
She's like, no. 

891
00:43:58,600 --> 00:43:59,640
This is not. 
This is the. 

892
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,880
Wrong guy. 
Oh, I'm OK, I'm out. 

893
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,320
Right out the front door. 
That'd be so good. 

894
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,960
Anyway, what reminds them of it 
is that Strike tells Robin that 

895
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,280
he's doing surveillance at 
liberty, and her mind goes right

896
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:14,880
to that night. 
Has one does. 

897
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,960
I love the line here where 
Strike is falling misses 2 times

898
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,720
at the Liberty hairdressers. 
I didn't know Liberties had a 

899
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:23,800
hairdressers, nor did I, and now
I'm stuck hanging around the 

900
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,160
women's clothing department 
looking like a weirdo, said 

901
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,640
Strike, shifting to allow a 
group of women to examine rows 

902
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,680
of what to him were 
exceptionally ugly, baggy 

903
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:36,360
dresses with large fluorescent 
flowers printed all over them. 

904
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,640
Fluorescent neon dresses. 
Lindsay, are you? 

905
00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:41,920
Do you want to take a look? 
And like, that's right at the 

906
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,680
alley. 
Like I know I was hoping you 

907
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,480
guys wouldn't remember that. 
I do remember that. 

908
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,880
Which is shocking that you 
remembered that I like 

909
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,160
fluorescent colors. 
It's weird. 

910
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,480
It just needs some glitter and 
then it'll be complete 

911
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,400
fluorescent glitter. 
Is there anything better? 

912
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,120
Strike describing himself in 
that bit as looking like a 

913
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,120
weirdo hanging around the women.
It's so funny. 

914
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,760
It's so funny to me when Robin 
then tells him to go buy 

915
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,520
Christmas present so he looks 
normal. 

916
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,080
Not in here. 
I just can't. 

917
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,160
He'd rather receive a root 
canal. 

918
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,600
Oh my goodness. 
In a couple paragraphs she tells

919
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,680
him to go to the ground floor 
and look at bags and scarves for

920
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,880
Lucy and Prudence. 
Shrek doesn't understand this 

921
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,560
because obviously they already 
have those things which earns 

922
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,680
him a God. 
You're hopeless from Robin. 

923
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,240
She is so right. 
I mean, come on, Strike, are you

924
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:39,840
meaning to tell me that you only
have one color of dress slacks 

925
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,200
and dress shirts for work? 
I mean, come on. 

926
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,920
I have been known to buy several
pairs of the exact same black 

927
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,720
pants for work. 
They're nice and they're comfy. 

928
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,040
It's funny to me because it's 
one of those obvious well, I was

929
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:52,880
going to say it's an obvious 
difference between men and 

930
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,080
women, although Pools is out 
here proving me wrong. 

931
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,600
I am genuinely like, yeah, I 
also have one hand egg. 

932
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,640
I don't really want more. 
Oh my. 

933
00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:01,320
Just put. 
Stuff around. 

934
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,880
Are you a secret man? 
Because it feels like my 

935
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,400
husband. 
I don't know how to identify. 

936
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,840
It feels like my husband, you 
know, you have one scarf that 

937
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,720
works just fine. 
Why do you need another? 

938
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,440
I mean, that's just an example. 
I have no use for a real scarf 

939
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,360
or anything. 
Yeah, very different. 

940
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,240
But it is. 
It's supposed to be different 

941
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:25,280
between men and women, but pools
is just maybe a weirdo. 

942
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,440
I am, well, obviously I am 100% 
a weirdo. 

943
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,840
That tracks. 
So this is one of the rare times

944
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,440
where Pools identifies with the 
men. 

945
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,240
Shocking. 
It's one of those times. 

946
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,720
But what I love about this whole
thing is that in Troubled Blood,

947
00:46:39,720 --> 00:46:42,240
when Strike was getting sick 
with the flu and panicking about

948
00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:45,360
what to buy, he literally bumped
into a rack of Scarves of 

949
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,800
Liberty. 
And I was like, Strike, you are 

950
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,120
literally just knocking over the
answer to your problems. 

951
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,320
Just getting the scarf. 
Finally we have Robin right here

952
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,400
to steer him in the correct 
direction and I am satisfied. 

953
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,040
It feels complete to me that 
now, yes, he can just buy a 

954
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,800
scarf. 
Honestly, a scarf wouldn't be 

955
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,800
something I'd choose to buy. 
I don't think I'm a scarf 

956
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,440
person. 
I mean, like I've said, we don't

957
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,960
have a need for them here. 
I don't know. 

958
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,960
It feels kind of generic, like 
you don't know what to buy 

959
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,520
someone. 
Probably I wouldn't bother to 

960
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,320
buy like a decorative scarf 
myself, but I would feel very 

961
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,400
grateful if someone found like a
pretty scarf with a pattern that

962
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,160
spoke to me and like, knew me. 
I don't think I'd be very 

963
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,240
competent at tying A scarf 
around my neck or my bag, but 

964
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,160
you know, I'd. 
Your back. 

965
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,320
Yeah, we're not talking about 
like winter scarves. 

966
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,560
We're talking about like those 
gauzy decoratives, you know? 

967
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,240
No. 
Like the big squares of fabric? 

968
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,840
People tie scarves on bags. 
Let me look up a picture. 

969
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:44,240
That's what we're talking about,
Hang. 

970
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,160
On a SEC. 
I'm even more. 

971
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,480
Lost is that gauzy thing that 
you're talking about, Poles. 

972
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,440
Would that be kind of close to 
like that scarf that Robin's 

973
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,840
wearing, like in the TV show 
that everybody always has to? 

974
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:55,600
No. 
That's like a winter. 

975
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:57,920
Or is that an actual scarf? 
OK. 

976
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,360
That's an actual heavy scarf I'm
talking about like these 

977
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:01,680
scarves. 
Like silk scarves? 

978
00:48:01,720 --> 00:48:04,920
Well, what's the point of that? 
Well, just to look pretty as an 

979
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,920
accessory and like you put it, 
you tie it different ways. 

980
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:09,160
I don't know. 
I don't wear. 

981
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,360
Them now I sound like the man 
it's. 

982
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,080
Not a thing. 
Maybe in California? 

983
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,640
I don't get this as a thing. 
So he's like, he's looking at 

984
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,560
these pretty silk scarves, like 
these aren't going to give you 

985
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:24,160
any warmth. 
They're just for decoration. 

986
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:28,400
I don't understand it. 
Yeah, yeah. 

987
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:29,840
I don't know. 
I think that for me it's 

988
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,320
situation dependent because like
it can be a thoughtful gift, you

989
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,960
know, if the person that you 
you're getting it for lives 

990
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,080
somewhere where, you know, I 
mean, it guess it depends on 

991
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:40,920
whether you're getting a gauzy 
one or a winter scarf. 

992
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,640
But either way. 
I'm learning different kinds of 

993
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:44,520
scarves now. 
Do you do? 

994
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,600
You guys not have these in 
California like is? 

995
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,680
This I mean, we have them up 
here, but I also live in the 

996
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:56,200
colder end of California. 
But like the silk ones, they 

997
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,200
don't really. 
They don't provide any warmth. 

998
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:04,240
Maybe like for older ladies. 
Well, yeah, old people, I don't 

999
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:05,520
know. 
I've never seen it though. 

1000
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,640
I never claimed to be on the 
cutting edge of fashion, so 

1001
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,440
yeah. 
Me neither, My mom just has some

1002
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:16,760
and I like, I like looking at 
fabrics sometimes and imagining 

1003
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,400
I'm kind of the cool person who 
could like, accessorize. 

1004
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:23,280
I'm not I'm not interesting. 
It's a lot about scarves. 

1005
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,520
Yeah, I know we've talked about 
gift giving a lot before Ken's. 

1006
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:31,120
I know you're with me on this 
about getting the love language.

1007
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,680
I'm wondering if you've also 
felt some of the awkwardness 

1008
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,560
that I'm kind of picking up here
about Strike describing with 

1009
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,920
Prudence. 
He's saying that he wasn't going

1010
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,600
to get her anything, but she's 
invited him to a Christmas party

1011
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,280
and that probably means she got 
something for him. 

1012
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,520
Do you feel what I'm feeling, or
am I just really weird? 

1013
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,840
So, for example, when in a 
relationship, do you start 

1014
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,840
buying gifts for each other? 
What if they get something, but 

1015
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,320
you don't know that that's going
to be a thing and you don't get 

1016
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,800
them anything and then it's 
weird, you know what I mean? 

1017
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:04,200
I picked up on that and it can 
be a weird space to navigate. 

1018
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:08,120
But for me, I guess if we don't 
talk about it ahead of time and 

1019
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,520
I give you a gift, I'm doing it 
with the expectation that you 

1020
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,160
don't have to give me anything. 
I'm giving this to you because I

1021
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,800
wanted to give it to you. 
Yeah, I mean the other way 

1022
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,160
around. 
If someone gave me something and

1023
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:23,440
I didn't have something back, 
the amount of hours I would lay 

1024
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,720
awake thinking about that. 
It wouldn't. 

1025
00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:27,960
I don't know that it would make 
me lie awake. 

1026
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:29,680
Oh my God. 
That's crazy. 

1027
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:34,120
I don't know, I would feel 
you're with people I I do feel a

1028
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,080
large amount of guilt when this 
happens, like I. 

1029
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,200
Feel, I mean, if it got 
unpromised out of nowhere, I 

1030
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,480
mean, I would just assume they 
would just, you know, we're just

1031
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,720
giving it because they, you 
know, felt like I feel. 

1032
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:45,240
So bad for not having 
anticipated. 

1033
00:50:45,240 --> 00:50:46,720
Yeah. 
It's really bad. 

1034
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,760
I'm not great at giving gifts in
in the 1st place. 

1035
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,840
Like I'm not great at it and I'm
really also very bad at just 

1036
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,760
impulse buying all the stuff I 
want so no one. 

1037
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,680
Like I can't save up stuff for 
gifts for me either. 

1038
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,240
If I had my way, we just cancel 
the gift giving part of the 

1039
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,000
holiday. 
Oh my God, you are a man be. 

1040
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,800
Like let's just have dinner and 
enjoy each other's company. 

1041
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,160
She is, you know, the gift 
giving part is the best. 

1042
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,080
Part she. 
You sound just like my husband. 

1043
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,960
It's the worst possible idea 
ever. 

1044
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:16,920
It's a no. 
It's a no for me. 

1045
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,360
It's the best part. 
It's not my lovely, I'm sorry. 

1046
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:25,320
Oh my God, are you a psychopath?
Maybe that's my love language, 

1047
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,520
like cooking someone a meal and 
it's. 

1048
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,320
Either it's either a psychopath.
Or man. 

1049
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,880
Psychopath or man? 
Because this is my husband. 

1050
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:39,120
Anyway, I think it's just a 
sweet comparison to see how much

1051
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,680
Strike is struggling to buy for 
Lucy and Prudence. 

1052
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,920
But he's not struggling at all 
with Robin's gift. 

1053
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,440
Not at all. 
I know we couldn't see him 

1054
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,240
picking out the charms because 
it would have ruined the 

1055
00:51:49,240 --> 00:51:53,520
surprise for us as readers, but 
I fully imagine him enjoying the

1056
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,600
process. 
It would have been really cute 

1057
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,600
to see. 
Oh, you know, he did, and I'm 

1058
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,400
just thinking about that bit 
later. 

1059
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:04,240
He remembered all of this and 
wanted her to know he remembered

1060
00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:06,600
it. 
Yeah, buying these charms, it 

1061
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,480
wasn't painful for him, and I 
think that that could be part of

1062
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,400
the reason that Robin is 
surprised at the end of this 

1063
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,040
chapter. 
She's like, what? 

1064
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:14,800
You already? 
Yeah. 

1065
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,880
Oh, it's so cute. 
So Strike finally gets to the 

1066
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,280
heart of the call of why he's 
calling, which is to pass along 

1067
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,080
Shanker's warning. 
Robin questioned Strike here to 

1068
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,920
make sure he didn't tell Shanker
about the plainclothes officer. 

1069
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,720
This might be some foreshadowing
in regards to Robin questioning 

1070
00:52:29,720 --> 00:52:33,040
Strike, even though she knows 
better deep down that he 

1071
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:33,800
wouldn't do it. 
I. 

1072
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,360
Like that connection? 
As Strike is telling Robin that 

1073
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,480
he must have been spotted at 
either Ramsey Silver or Saint 

1074
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:43,080
George's Avenue, it says an 
ornate clock was set high on the

1075
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,280
archway to his left. 
A mechanical Saint George and 

1076
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,360
the dragon above it a legend and
gold beneath it. 

1077
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,000
No minute gone comes ever back 
again. 

1078
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:54,960
Take heed and see ye do nothing 
in vain. 

1079
00:52:55,240 --> 00:52:57,320
I think there's a lot we could 
look at with this. 

1080
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,680
This is the Liberty clock that's
outside of Liberty and great 

1081
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:07,280
Marlboro, Marlboro, Marlboro, 
Marlboro. 

1082
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:08,880
I can't say it for some reason 
right now. 

1083
00:53:09,240 --> 00:53:13,720
Marlboro, Marlboro St. 
Marlboro St. that. 

1084
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,000
L between that R and that. 
It's really throwing me off 

1085
00:53:17,240 --> 00:53:21,720
Marlboro Marl. 
How the fuck you say Marleybone?

1086
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,520
Marlbone. 
Marlboro. 

1087
00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:28,440
These Brits just make words 
really hard to say sometimes. 

1088
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:32,080
Marlboro. 
Anyway, it features Saint George

1089
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:35,120
fighting a dragon. 
The clock itself is dark blue 

1090
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,960
and gold, like it says. 
The writing underneath it is 

1091
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,200
gold. 
I have to point out the colors 

1092
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,320
of blue and gold coming up again
aren't. 

1093
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,520
Those alchemy colors, Or at 
least one of those. 

1094
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,600
Sure, gold obviously is the main
1. 

1095
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,720
Blue is in there and it 
certainly feels important to the

1096
00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:54,360
book and the series. 
Blue the writing underneath it. 

1097
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,600
I'm absolutely taking this as 
advice to strike regarding 

1098
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,400
Robin. 
No minute gone comes ever back 

1099
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,440
again. 
Take heed and see ye do nothing 

1100
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,200
in vain. 
Yep, but I was not familiar with

1101
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,160
the legend of Saint George, 
which is actually called the 

1102
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,680
Golden Legend. 
Another gold reference there. 

1103
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,880
Going to read you a short 
summary from Wikipedia. 

1104
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,080
Thanks Wikipedia. 
Yes, bless up. 

1105
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,720
The story goes that the dragon 
originally extorted tributes 

1106
00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:24,240
from the villagers. 
When they ran out of livestock 

1107
00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:27,040
and tree kits for the dragon, 
they started giving up human 

1108
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,640
tributes once a day. 
Run out of villagers pretty 

1109
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,200
soon. 
You would, you would. 

1110
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:32,160
How big is this? 
Village. 

1111
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,000
I don't know, but one day the 
Princess herself was chosen as 

1112
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,400
the next offering. 
As she was walking toward the 

1113
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:41,160
Dragon's cave, Saint George saw 
her and asked her why she was 

1114
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,320
crying. 
The Princess told the Saints 

1115
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,920
about the Dragon's atrocities 
and asked him to flee 

1116
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,480
immediately in fear that he 
might be killed too. 

1117
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,440
But the Saint refused to flee, 
slew the dragon and rescued the 

1118
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,880
Princess. 
Classic fairy tale stuff. 

1119
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:58,360
It's sad though because it makes
me think of Tyler Powell trying 

1120
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,480
to rescue the Princess from the 
dragon in the story of the 

1121
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,440
Dragon Wins though. 
I was just trying to figure out 

1122
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,160
a way that I could make Murphy 
the dragon, Robin walking 

1123
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,720
towards him at the end of the 
book, crying, set up to be 

1124
00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:13,360
sacrificed to her own guilt and 
passivity strike, refusing to 

1125
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:17,160
give up slaying the dragon. 
Fun fact, Saint George is in the

1126
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,120
Fairy Queen. 
He's the Red Cross knight in 

1127
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,840
book one. 
Different from article, which is

1128
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:24,920
Strike, our champion of true 
justice. 

1129
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,600
I recall, I recall as well. 
That leads me to believe that 

1130
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:32,160
this is not representing Strike.
It could be representing Tyler, 

1131
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,760
assuming it's not just Strike 
standing outside and there 

1132
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:36,640
happens to be a clock. 
Well, yeah. 

1133
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,360
What I love about these books, 
though, is so there's always so 

1134
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,640
much to see in the actual 
locations, right? 

1135
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:43,160
We know Joe visits them in 
person. 

1136
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,640
I fully believe that when she 
happens to see something that 

1137
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,440
would actually fit really well 
with, like, the themes or the 

1138
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,400
plot, she's like, oh, that's 
perfect. 

1139
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,440
I'm making a note to make sure I
mention that. 

1140
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,040
I would love to see her 
notebooks with details from all 

1141
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:59,160
the locations that she visits. 
Or ask her about it, wink wink. 

1142
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,800
Everything she writes down in 
her descriptions is a deliberate

1143
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:03,520
choice. 
And yet some of them are just 

1144
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,680
atmosphere and color. 
But it's really reasonable to 

1145
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:07,960
think that others do actually 
connect to the story, right? 

1146
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,000
One part I love during this 
conversation is when they're 

1147
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,760
talking about Shanker being a 
conspiracy theorist. 

1148
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,160
Strike is basically saying that 
deep down Shanker doesn't 

1149
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,360
believe that anyone is law 
abiding and just. 

1150
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,120
He thinks everyone is just as 
shady as he is. 

1151
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,640
I mean, in terms of the elite 
and the global billionaires 

1152
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:29,240
being, you know, corrupt, 
immoral, villainous, I can't say

1153
00:56:29,240 --> 00:56:31,880
that he doesn't have a point 
because it's not conspiracy 

1154
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:33,680
theory so much as like watching 
the news. 

1155
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,120
Certainly an interesting time to
be discussing this with current 

1156
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,520
events being what they are. 
I think from what Strike is 

1157
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,880
saying, we can surmise that it's
more than that, though. 

1158
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:42,440
That's what I'm getting from 
this as well. 

1159
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,840
He's a conspiracy theorist in 
the extreme. 

1160
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,360
But I think it's just an 
interesting aspect to Shanker's 

1161
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,720
character that I didn't know 
about before, and I just wonder 

1162
00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:53,040
if there's any way it might 
connect with our theories of his

1163
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,960
potential demise. 
I'm not sure how, but. 

1164
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,600
I'd really love it if Shanker 
died and Strike ended up 

1165
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,400
investigating whether it turned 
out to be an actual conspiracy 

1166
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,000
or not. 
I'm just gonna clip you saying 

1167
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:05,720
I'd really love it if Shanker 
died. 

1168
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,680
Just clip that. 
Oh, don't. 

1169
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,920
But I love Robin's response. 
She says he can't think 

1170
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,200
everyone's bent, said Robin 
reasonably. 

1171
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,920
He knows you. 
This is Robin seeing Strike for 

1172
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,640
who he is. 
It's such a nice compliment, but

1173
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:24,480
it's also the truth. 
It's not something she thinks, 

1174
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,440
it's something she knows. 
It's something she forgets for a

1175
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:28,800
little while. 
She forgets. 

1176
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:30,960
She knows it. 
Yeah, but she does know it. 

1177
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,280
It's sweet. 
I liked that part anyway. 

1178
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:34,920
Then they talk about the 
Patterson case. 

1179
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,760
Shrike is so funny when Robin 
asks if he's been following the 

1180
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,680
Patterson case. 
Not exactly riveting so far, is 

1181
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:42,560
it? 
I was hoping they just call him 

1182
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:47,280
a cunt and give him 10 years. 
You know what put Strike in 

1183
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,480
charge of the justice system 
because this method seems like a

1184
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,480
way more efficient and effective
use of time and resources than 

1185
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,520
like the messing around with 
whatever. 

1186
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:57,920
You know, just. 
With whatever strike, decide 

1187
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,800
justice and fairness, whatever. 
And whatever. 

1188
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,320
I now pronounce you a cunt. 10 
years. 

1189
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:08,480
I mean exactly. 
No need for whatever strike is 

1190
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,080
Judge Judy. 
Except. 

1191
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,120
You know, strike a gavel. 
Give. 

1192
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,320
Give strike a gavel. 
Strike. 

1193
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,360
Judy. 
He's Judge Judy, an executioner.

1194
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:20,840
Does anyone else love Judge Judy
like she's? 

1195
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:22,760
Hilarious. 
I used to watch Judge Judy. 

1196
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,840
I love Judge Judy. 
I love how she just has no time 

1197
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,560
for any nonsense. 
Yeah, people's nonsense. 

1198
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,400
Oh yeah. 
Anyway, Strike reluctantly going

1199
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,160
back inside to try and shop the 
fine he side. 

1200
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,760
It cracks me up. 
I think Robin's being such a 

1201
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:40,920
Good Wife. 
She's helping Strike with what 

1202
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,400
colors to pick for Lucy and 
Prudence. 

1203
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,840
Yeah, they're just very married.
At this chapter, Strike is 

1204
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,720
calling her to make their 
decisions together. 

1205
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:53,720
Robin's helping Strike buying 
presents for his sisters. 

1206
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:54,960
I. 
Mean they are literally God 

1207
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,200
husband, God wife. 
I've established this multiple 

1208
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,280
times, so yes. 
She's, you know, telling them 

1209
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,680
that they need to get presents 
for their staff like they're 

1210
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:06,320
getting presents for their kids.
Which Midge definitely is. 

1211
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:11,600
Oh God, she's like the teenager 
who just wants to fight with 

1212
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,640
you. 
The bit about their staff just 

1213
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:16,040
reminds me of, you know, 
Cuckoo's Calling from the first 

1214
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,840
time that she ever refers to 
them as a we is describing it. 

1215
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,160
It being it's like a gentle pat 
to his morale. 

1216
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:23,800
They're a unit. 
They're not just Strike or 

1217
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:25,720
Robin, they're striking Robin 
and team. 

1218
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:30,560
Remember how he remembered her 
saying we at the Ritz and she's 

1219
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:32,640
like, remember that from my 
first day? 

1220
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:34,520
And I'm like, Oh my God, they're
so in love. 

1221
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,240
Robin saying that they have a 
good team for once. 

1222
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:40,400
That was a little optimistic 
considering that a certain 

1223
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:44,360
person is on this. 
I'm so outraged at the idea of 

1224
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:48,800
Kim getting a gift from them. 
Like it's a moral wrong to me. 

1225
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:50,120
A. 
Moral wrong. 

1226
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,720
Genuinely I hope Robin picks a 
really gross type of booze to 

1227
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,240
give her on purpose. 
Like tequila with a worm in it. 

1228
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:57,840
Although Kim might actually like
that. 

1229
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,120
Why would they ruin a perfectly 
good tequila with a? 

1230
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:02,040
The worm in it I. 
Have no idea. 

1231
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:05,000
I don't even like tequila and 
I'm still offended. 

1232
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:07,360
I do. 
Well, better that than the snake

1233
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,680
wine that they have in Vietnam. 
Sometimes they're still alive by

1234
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:12,720
mistake when they're in there 
and they bite people. 

1235
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,280
So maybe Kim can get that one. 
I'm sorry, what? 

1236
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,720
Yeah, that's horrific. 
Why are we putting animals in 

1237
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:20,560
our drinks? 
I don't next. 

1238
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:23,680
Time you tell me there's like 
someone's made a tarantula gin 

1239
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:26,720
or something, which is in 
Newfoundland. 

1240
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:28,840
They have the thing where you 
take a shot of screech and then 

1241
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:32,640
you have to kiss a fish like 
cod, like a fish like a 

1242
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,200
screeching. 
But even they know better than 

1243
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,640
to put the fish in the booze 
because it's disgusting. 

1244
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,400
There is nothing you could do to
make me kiss a fish. 

1245
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:44,160
There's no chance in hell. 
Absolutely not. 

1246
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:47,720
It's like kiss a plate of fish 
and chips. 

1247
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:49,600
Which, yeah. 
I'll eat that. 

1248
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,680
How do you eat fish if you have 
such a thing about touching 

1249
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:54,160
fish? 
Well, I don't, It doesn't have 

1250
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:57,280
the skin on. 
It's the skin that grosses me. 

1251
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:59,800
It's like the scales really 
gross me out. 

1252
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:03,320
So I just make sure that none of
the fish I eat has that gross 

1253
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:05,040
scaly stuff on it. 
It's. 

1254
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:06,520
Easier thing. 
This is something. 

1255
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:09,080
I'm actually that much fish 
because like, we're landlocked, 

1256
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,800
well, like by the Great Lakes, 
but I don't really want to eat a

1257
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:15,200
fish that's coming out of those.
Sometimes I end up on Mermaid 

1258
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:16,760
TikTok. 
House one does. 

1259
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:20,680
There's some great like 
conspiracies with mermaids, just

1260
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:22,840
so you know are. 
They well send those to me. 

1261
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:24,680
I'll take anything great. 
I'll try to find them. 

1262
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:26,360
It'll give me a laugh I like. 
That you know? 

1263
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:28,680
What's a bummer though, is that 
now I'm seeing all of these 

1264
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,880
Bigfoot videos, but now I feel 
like it's all AI. 

1265
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,840
It's disappointing. 
It is all AI, and before that it

1266
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:40,080
was all just made-up without AI.
Anyway, going back to the whole 

1267
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:45,840
scarfs talk, which was several 
digressions ago, I was thinking.

1268
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:50,880
I'm sorry we went into so much 
detail about scarves that I 

1269
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:52,760
just. 
I really care about scarves. 

1270
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:54,680
I had no idea. 
Scarves. 

1271
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:56,560
And then we ended up on 
mermaids. 

1272
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:59,760
Ariel would love a scarf. 
She would have no use for a 

1273
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:01,880
scarf. 
Well, she's on level. 

1274
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:05,040
Collection because the humans 
should be like. 

1275
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:08,040
What is the purpose of this 
weird long piece? 

1276
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:11,400
Of that's what I'm saying. 
So you are Ariel, is what you're

1277
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:13,360
saying? 
I would love to be Ariel. 

1278
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,920
Yeah, except for that I couldn't
because I'm too afraid of the 

1279
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,080
ocean. 
Well, Speaking of mermaids, 

1280
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,840
let's talk about Merman's again 
and the amazing fan you thought 

1281
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:26,480
about Merdaddy's strike. 
Thank you, bless everyone, bless

1282
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:28,920
you. 
Going back to strike, picking 

1283
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:30,120
out scarves. 
Yep. 

1284
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,680
I was thinking about the 
adorable conversation they have 

1285
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:38,000
last night, and I had a thought.
Robin notices and remembers what

1286
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,000
looks good on other people, 
right? 

1287
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:43,920
Yeah, but later in the book, she
needs advice from someone else 

1288
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,160
about what colors look good on 
her. 

1289
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,720
Yes, because she was wearing 
black, and it washes her out. 

1290
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,800
Remember in Troubled Blood where
she put on black trousers and a 

1291
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,640
black jacket to go to mediation 
with Matthew because she wants 

1292
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:56,480
to look professional, confident.
But she looked in there and 

1293
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,160
she's like, oh, I'm just like, 
washed out. 

1294
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:01,880
Yeah, Black's not her color, but
it took Dino telling her that 

1295
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:04,560
for her to pick a pink dress. 
Yeah, right. 

1296
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:08,120
Which fits perfectly OK with her
ability to analyze and 

1297
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:11,040
understand the emotions of other
people when it's involved in 

1298
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:15,040
like, solving a murder, but her 
complete inability to see or 

1299
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,040
understand her own emotions, 
right? 

1300
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:20,320
That makes so much sense, yeah. 
Same thing, color palette, 

1301
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,520
emotions. 
So it's suggests to that outside

1302
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:27,000
help might be needed there to 
tell her to order the pink dress

1303
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:31,480
of her emotions AKA strike. 
Strike is the pink dress of her.

1304
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:35,520
Emotions like an unconventional 
directive psychologist. 

1305
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,480
This is the dress that will look
good on you. 

1306
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,400
This is the man who will look 
good in your bed. 

1307
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:41,480
Same thing. 
Same. 

1308
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,880
Thing spot on. 
Thank you, I have my moments. 

1309
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:47,200
You do. 
Anyway, the ending of the 

1310
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:51,240
chapter is so cute, it says. 
And, she added, because she 

1311
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:54,320
didn't doubt Strike was as 
clueless about what to buy her 

1312
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:57,440
as he was about his sisters. 
If you're getting me a scarf, I 

1313
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:59,320
like blue and green. 
It's so cute. 

1314
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:01,800
Too late, I've already chosen 
your presence at Strike. 

1315
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,400
I'm going to have to go. 
Can't hear a bloody thing speak 

1316
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:07,040
to you later. 
I feel like you chose that 

1317
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:10,160
moment deliberately to hang up 
so you'd have a good cliffhanger

1318
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:12,480
exit. 
No one's going to change my mind

1319
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:15,600
on that. 
I'd argue against it because it 

1320
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:18,120
would have been a great 
opportunity for him to shake 

1321
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:21,640
things up a little bit, get a 
reaction from her, hint towards 

1322
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:23,880
something personal. 
That would be cute. 

1323
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:26,720
I like this mention here of 
Robin's favorite colors for the 

1324
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:30,200
scarves because it's so 
connected to both her and 

1325
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:31,760
Strike. 
You know, blue for Strike 

1326
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,280
obviously, and then green for 
Robin, you know, with the dress 

1327
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:36,600
and everything. 
Yeah, we've associated these 

1328
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:38,800
colors with both of them since 
early days. 

1329
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:41,640
So when she said this, I was 
like, hey, that's their colors. 

1330
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:45,200
It says he hung up, leaving 
Robin in a state of mild 

1331
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,520
surprise. 
Notice it says that he'd already

1332
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:50,520
chosen her present. 
He's already bought the 1 

1333
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:53,680
Masonic charm, but it's not 
complete, right? 

1334
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:57,080
He still has hundreds of pounds 
left to spend on her. 

1335
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,840
He's chosen it. 
He's not fully bought the whole 

1336
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:04,400
thing yet. 
Let the man spend the money. 

1337
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:07,920
I love him spending money. 
It's on brand for him. 

1338
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:11,440
That's his hobby also. 
Gives me mild it like heart 

1339
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:12,840
attack. 
That's fine. 

1340
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,760
It's the whole project like this
hymen effort. 

1341
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:17,320
I can't wait till we get to this
chapter. 

1342
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:20,320
I'm just curious how long it 
took for Strike to put together 

1343
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:22,120
all of those charms. 
Do we know the date? 

1344
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:26,040
Right now, what's the date? 
So this is the 8th of December. 

1345
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,880
OK, so he he shopped for a 
couple weeks, two or three 

1346
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:31,960
weeks, getting this planned and 
together. 

1347
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,080
He got really lucky that he 
found all of these charms. 

1348
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,240
I know. 
He's so sweet, OK? 

1349
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:41,600
I wonder if he had other ideas 
for charms that he couldn't find

1350
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:44,480
so he just went with. 
Others like kissing Swans. 

1351
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:47,240
Yes, maybe he couldn't find the 
actual donkey one, but he 

1352
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:49,840
stumbled upon like a Skegness 
shield 1. 

1353
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:53,280
So I was on the Liberty website 
and it looks like their jewelry 

1354
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:57,120
department does sell charms 
though, so if Shrek wanted he 

1355
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:59,880
could have gone for a browse to 
see if there were any good ones 

1356
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:01,520
here before he picked out the 
scarves, right? 

1357
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:04,520
But he did. 
I just think it's so cute that 

1358
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:06,000
she's in a mild state of 
surprise. 

1359
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:08,720
She knows what a struggle 
shopping is for him, but he 

1360
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:11,200
already has hers. 
She's surprised because it 

1361
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:13,560
implies that getting her a gift 
was not a struggle. 

1362
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:16,040
Is this the second time that a 
gift she's given her has made 

1363
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:19,160
her breakdown crying because 
that that new glass door in ink 

1364
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:21,080
black heart had her crying reels
used too? 

1365
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,920
Maybe we'll get like a third 
touching gift at some point. 

1366
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:29,480
Like a ring. 
Perhaps you think it's? 

1367
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:32,520
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
She cried with the dress too, 

1368
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:33,680
right? 
But that could have been more 

1369
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:36,560
because of the job. 
Yeah, I bet it is safe that she 

1370
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:39,760
is going to cry with a ring. 
And it'll be really cute because

1371
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:41,120
he'd be like, why are you 
crying? 

1372
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:42,640
He might. 
Cry too. 

1373
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:44,320
Oh my God, that would be really 
good. 

1374
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:48,800
Chapter. 23 In this chapter, 
Culpepper runs his first hit 

1375
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,080
piece on strike and the. 
Epigraph. 

1376
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:55,480
Then evils gather together, 
they're once not one of them. 

1377
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,480
All wrath, envy, discord, 
strife. 

1378
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:04,240
That's from Oedipus Colonius or 
Oedipus Act Colonus Sophocles 

1379
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:08,160
translated by AE Houseman. 
The evils gathered together is 

1380
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:11,000
kind of funny given all the 
people mentioned in this chapter

1381
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:14,960
who have it out for Strike. 
So Patterson, Nina Culpepper, 

1382
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:18,080
and Murphy. 
Patterson could be the envy, 

1383
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:20,240
Nina the wrath. 
I don't know. 

1384
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:22,800
I don't know who I'm most 
annoyed with in this chapter. 

1385
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:25,400
They're all competing. 
They're doing a good job. 

1386
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:28,160
Who's winning the gold? 
It's a three-way tie the. 

1387
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker in the poem is musing 
about who could ever want an 

1388
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:33,760
immortal life, because the more 
you live, the more grief and 

1389
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,440
trouble befall you, and the 
harder joy is to find. 

1390
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:38,680
So the luckiest is the one who 
is never even born. 

1391
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:41,880
At least that's my read on it. 
It seems like a pretty cynical 

1392
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:45,520
and miserable point of view, but
like the man in the poem Evils, 

1393
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:48,280
I have overtaken Strike and it's
because he spent seven books 

1394
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:49,960
with people getting pissed off 
at him. 

1395
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:52,800
Not always his fault. 
Everything that he's been there 

1396
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:55,360
is added up, and now he's got 
these assholes hovering around 

1397
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:57,440
him with it out for him for no 
goddamn reason. 

1398
01:07:57,600 --> 01:07:59,920
Well, the chapter starts with 
some good news, and that's that 

1399
01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:02,000
Patterson's been found guilty 
off the. 

1400
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,720
Champagne. 
They called him a cunt and gave 

1401
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:07,680
him some time. 
Cheers. 

1402
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:11,360
It's really satisfying to read 
this even though you know Shrek 

1403
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:15,640
and Robin did the same ish thing
in Lethal White as Patterson. 

1404
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:18,600
But they have a permit, it says 
they can do what they want. 

1405
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:20,640
Right. 
Patterson was going after Strike

1406
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:23,040
when he did this, so it's 
deserved, yeah. 

1407
01:08:23,319 --> 01:08:26,439
Straight to jail, 1000 years. 
There is a moral compass in 

1408
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:28,000
these books. 
Exactly. 

1409
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:31,240
And we're also really being 
warned about Fair, Novabi's new 

1410
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:33,399
agency taking shape here. 
Yes. 

1411
01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:37,200
Do we think that Navabi and Co. 
That's which is why I'm going to

1412
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:41,880
call her agency are are coming 
back in sleep tight Evangeline. 

1413
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:44,479
How nice is it saying the title 
to cause trouble? 

1414
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:47,200
I feel like there's too much set
up for them not to show up. 

1415
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:49,640
I only want them around if 
they're going to be laughably 

1416
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:53,680
incompetent, but that being 
said, if they had one relatively

1417
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:57,120
competent person on their team, 
who knows what could happen. 

1418
01:08:57,359 --> 01:09:00,279
I kind of want to see Kim get 
more embarrassed by Strike 

1419
01:09:00,279 --> 01:09:01,680
though. 
I just want to know who she's 

1420
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:03,560
going to hire because I feel 
like she could hire Morris. 

1421
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:05,880
She could hire when he gets 
fired by the Met. 

1422
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:08,399
I don't know. 
I'd love to see the drama I live

1423
01:09:08,399 --> 01:09:09,960
for. 
It I don't really suspect that 

1424
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:14,800
we're going to see Morris again.
No, we saw Marguerite again. 

1425
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:17,120
So true. 
I mean. 

1426
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:21,200
True and unexpected, but 
everybody expects to see Morris 

1427
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:22,680
again. 
No one expected to see 

1428
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:23,880
Marguerite again. 
That's true. 

1429
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:25,640
It's like the Spanish 
Inquisition. 

1430
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:29,800
Yep, next books we'll see Morris
and Hugh Jacks. 

1431
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:32,319
Oh my God. 
But he's got like a serial 

1432
01:09:32,319 --> 01:09:35,240
killer wall of Robin. 
He's become unhinged and 

1433
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:38,000
obsessed. 
Yep, I could see it happening. 

1434
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:43,880
She's the Evangelino. 
No no, Jax is the big bad after 

1435
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:47,319
all. 
Oh, that would be awful. 

1436
01:09:47,319 --> 01:09:49,840
OK, so the first hit piece about
Strike comes out. 

1437
01:09:50,359 --> 01:09:53,439
I can't tell you how angry I am 
at Culpepper and Nina. 

1438
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:55,960
They literally feel like 
entitled bullies. 

1439
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:58,480
You know, Culpepper thinks that 
he should have been entitled to 

1440
01:09:58,480 --> 01:10:01,960
benefit from Strike's work and 
this is what he does because he 

1441
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:04,720
didn't get some scoops. 
Yeah, I don't get it. 

1442
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:07,840
Is this because Strike caught 
his wife cheating? 

1443
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:10,320
Because that's the. 
Immediate at your wife. 

1444
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:13,040
But right, How is strike the one
you blame there? 

1445
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:16,080
It's like Nina blaming him for 
ruining her friend's life. 

1446
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:19,240
Cousins think alike. 
Yeah, shooting the messengers. 

1447
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:23,360
A genetic trait in this family. 
I guess I don't want to blame 

1448
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:26,080
them both being clearly super 
entitled with the fact that 

1449
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:29,280
they're both from like the upper
class, most honorable, etcetera.

1450
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:31,960
But you know what? 
They should stop living the 

1451
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:33,960
stereotype. 
And it did come from Nina. 

1452
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:36,600
She is the one who told 
Culpepper that Strike was there,

1453
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:38,760
who broke the story. 
Fuck off, Nina. 

1454
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:40,400
Where's her sense of right and 
wrong? 

1455
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:43,280
Seriously. 
Completely absent, apparently. 

1456
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,120
I'm really fascinated about this
little bit with Charlotte. 

1457
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:49,400
It says another paper had tried 
to run a piece a few months 

1458
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:52,360
previously, asserting that 
Strike was as big a womanizer as

1459
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:54,960
his father. 
That he routinely had sex with 

1460
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,600
clients and had slept with a 
woman who is also in a 

1461
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:00,520
relationship with a very 
barrister whom Mitch Patterson 

1462
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:02,440
and bugged. 
That article had never been 

1463
01:11:02,480 --> 01:11:05,520
published because Charlotte, of 
all people, had not only 

1464
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:08,920
resisted the invitation to screw
Strike over in print, but had 

1465
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:12,040
contacted those of Strike's 
girlfriends she knew to ensure 

1466
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:15,080
that nobody talked. 
This almost makes you think that

1467
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:17,280
Charlotte was doing the right 
thing for right reasons. 

1468
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:20,240
I mean, if you didn't know 
Charlotte, I'm just not willing 

1469
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:23,120
to give her that kind of credit.
I still think she's trying to 

1470
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:24,960
get Strike on her good side with
this. 

1471
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:27,600
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 
That was a fully a manipulative 

1472
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:29,680
tactic that she was going to 
hold over him later. 

1473
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:32,720
It makes me really mad at this 
fictional dead woman. 

1474
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:35,720
Yeah, you know, which is just 
totally reasonable. 

1475
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,440
But still fix Charlotte. 
You actually did him a solid 

1476
01:11:38,440 --> 01:11:39,760
there. 
That is true. 

1477
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:42,560
If she'd still been alive, she'd
have made it much worse in this 

1478
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:45,520
this book, however. 
Imagine if she was still alive 

1479
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:47,000
in this. 
Book and pissed. 

1480
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:50,720
Oh, that would be bad. 
It's so much. 

1481
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:53,280
Worse, I've never been so 
thankful for somebody to be 

1482
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:55,080
dead. 
She would have. 

1483
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:58,360
Oh boy, it would have although. 
It would have been fun if she 

1484
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:01,520
would have gone to Robin and 
been like, he's so in love with 

1485
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:03,840
you. 
Robin already knows Charlotte 

1486
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:05,960
thought he was in love with her.
Yeah. 

1487
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:10,000
Anyway, how long did Charlotte 
do this before she committed 

1488
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:12,320
suicide? 
Because it seems like this was 

1489
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:17,000
her Hail Mary doing something 
actually nice, and then when he 

1490
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:20,200
still wouldn't get back with 
her, then she decided to end it.

1491
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:22,760
Yeah, pretty close to that. 
So she contacts Strike's 

1492
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:26,520
previous girlfriends on the 13th
of May, is arrested about a 

1493
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:29,840
month later for assaulting that 
landing guy that she was with, 

1494
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:34,560
and then is dead by the 24th. 
That doesn't sound too off. 

1495
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:38,200
It was one of the last quote UN 
quote good things that she was 

1496
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:40,640
able to do. 
But it was right after she had 

1497
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:43,680
done that that things started to
escalate with Landon, I think, 

1498
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,520
where she got arrested for 
assaulting him. 

1499
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:50,000
Makes sense, you can see her 
downward spiral after that. 

1500
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,440
Does Robin know that Charlotte 
had helped stop that? 

1501
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:55,280
No. 
I don't think so. 

1502
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:58,080
She never knew about it. 
Was Culpeper the one who tried 

1503
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:00,080
to write that story in The 
Running Grave? 

1504
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:02,280
The one that Charlotte stopped. 
Yeah. 

1505
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:05,160
I I don't know, but it sounds 
like him. 

1506
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:07,720
It does sound like him, but so 
he must have been trying to go 

1507
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:10,280
after Strike for a while then, 
and not just because this Lady 

1508
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:12,200
Violet thing. 
Because who else would have? 

1509
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:14,160
Yeah. 
Is it out against him? 

1510
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:17,280
Is it just because he thinks 
it'd be like an easy juicy story

1511
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:19,080
to get clicks because he knows 
strike? 

1512
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:22,440
Or is he genuinely? 
He's been trying to get stories 

1513
01:13:22,440 --> 01:13:24,720
out of strikes in Silkworm with 
rugby. 

1514
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:26,720
It's like, why are you so 
obsessed with me? 

1515
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:30,320
He is real obsessed with him. 
Is he still pissed about Strike 

1516
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:32,080
making him read the brothers 
balls ache? 

1517
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:37,720
Is he, several years on, just so
pissed that Strike made him wade

1518
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:40,920
through that book and waste an 
entire like day? 

1519
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:45,560
I think he sees all of the 
newsworthy stories that came out

1520
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:49,080
with Strike, and he thinks about
what his career could have been 

1521
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:51,520
if Strike had been giving him. 
All of these. 

1522
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:54,720
Little tidbits on the side. 
He sees I'm talking to 

1523
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:57,320
Robertson. 
He hasn't been giving him the 

1524
01:13:57,320 --> 01:14:02,280
scoops and his career hasn't 
taken off the way that he 

1525
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:05,480
envisioned it could have with 
Stripe giving him. 

1526
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:07,360
He's really resentful about 
that. 

1527
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:09,400
He's writing tabloid shit. 
He's not a real. 

1528
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:10,880
Journalist. 
Exactly. 

1529
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:14,680
OK, I think that's what it is. 
He should have considered being 

1530
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:17,400
less annoying. 
Has he ever considered that? 

1531
01:14:17,480 --> 01:14:21,160
He's so entitled. 
That really goes a long way in 

1532
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:22,720
getting Strike to want to work 
with you. 

1533
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:25,960
Don't be. 
Noxious Dick, but I can see that

1534
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:29,840
really eating away at him. 
But he could have had. 

1535
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:31,720
It's just more of that 
entitlement. 

1536
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:35,240
The journalists no longer needed
quotes from the ex lovers who 

1537
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:38,920
declined to talk last time 
because he had his cousin Nina 

1538
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:43,000
who provided anonymous quotes 
with which Culpepper was able to

1539
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:46,640
bolster his portrait of a 
grubby, unscrupulous man who 

1540
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:49,000
used women to obtain whatever he
needed. 

1541
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:52,600
Bracketing Strike with Patterson
as a libidinous parasitic 

1542
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:56,080
scavenger profiting from human 
misery and callously 

1543
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:57,960
manipulating good hearted 
people. 

1544
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:01,480
Nina is a good hearted people. 
No, thank you. 

1545
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:04,600
I don't think. 
So Culpepper had also rehashed 

1546
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:07,560
the story of Strikes conception,
which had famously taken place 

1547
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:12,040
on a beanbag at a Druggie A list
party in 1974, and had even 

1548
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:14,680
found someone else to speak on 
the record about the grubby 

1549
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:18,160
antics of private detectives 
Lord Oliver Branfoot. 

1550
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:20,720
OK, first of all, screw you 
Nina. 

1551
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:24,280
At this point, I don't care one 
bit that Strike used her six 

1552
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:26,640
years ago. 
She was a willing participant, 

1553
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:31,440
and she's clearly not a nice or 
moral person when Charlotte and 

1554
01:15:31,440 --> 01:15:34,640
Madeline aren't even willing to 
lie for revenge. 

1555
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:40,040
Nina's coming out as one of the 
worst exes in my opinion. 

1556
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:44,520
Screw her, screw her cousin, her
new husband, her stupid black 

1557
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:48,560
dresses, justice for Marguerite,
all of the above. 

1558
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:51,960
Tell us how you really feel. 
I will but also. 

1559
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:56,360
I I feel like this description 
of STRIKE as a libidinous 

1560
01:15:56,360 --> 01:16:00,120
parasitic scavenger profiting 
from human misery etcetera sound

1561
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:04,280
like some of the worst bad faith
criticisms of STRIKE. 

1562
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:07,520
Yeah, so we were right to 
suspect that Culpepper was going

1563
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:10,280
to do something in writing 
involving Rookby because he 

1564
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:13,640
rugby up. 
It's a nice little reminder here

1565
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:16,280
about the rumor regarding 
strikes conception. 

1566
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:19,040
Rugby should have sued him for 
libel for that one. 

1567
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:22,080
I mean, I guess it's been out in
the public so long though that 

1568
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:26,000
rugby probably doesn't care, but
it's nice because we do get 

1569
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:29,280
rugby denying that later. 
So it's a reminder being set up 

1570
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:30,840
here. 
Would have been a pretty 

1571
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:33,760
uncomfortable place to. 
Or would it have been super 

1572
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:36,960
comfortable? 
Can someone experiment with a 

1573
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,640
beanbag and let us know? 
Like the comfort level of. 

1574
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:41,080
I don't have a beanbag. 
Chair. 

1575
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:44,120
I have a beanbag chair. 
Listeners who's willing to take 

1576
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:45,880
one for the team and drag out 
the beanbag chair? 

1577
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:48,920
I have a beanbag chair. 
It seems possible. 

1578
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:50,920
Nobody I would want to. 
Attempt. 

1579
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:56,320
I feel like it's a really slimy 
thing to do in the article. 

1580
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:59,960
Yeah, because Strike has no 
control over how he was 

1581
01:16:59,960 --> 01:17:02,000
conceived. 
What's the point of bringing 

1582
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:04,200
that up? 
Just being mean and spiteful. 

1583
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:07,400
Yeah, exactly. 
Sincerely hope that Culpeppers 

1584
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:10,120
got something worse hiding in 
the closet that's not just his 

1585
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:11,760
wife making out with another 
woman. 

1586
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:15,600
Because as hard as this man goes
after Strike, like let's throw 

1587
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:18,400
down Culpepper. 
Eye for an eye, motherfucker, 

1588
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:20,160
let's go. 
Maybe he'll be. 

1589
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:22,560
Did he get fired? 
With he does get fired. 

1590
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:24,400
OK, good. 
Uh oh. 

1591
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:26,680
He's got nothing left to lose. 
It's time for him. 

1592
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:28,920
I bet he has a serial killer 
Wall of strike. 

1593
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:32,800
Now he has Rookie's lawyer after
him, so I hope he's terrified. 

1594
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:36,240
He better be. 
Because who's he compared to 

1595
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:39,160
Johnny Rugby? 
Exactly. 

1596
01:17:39,440 --> 01:17:42,000
But then here we have this 
introduction of Brandfoot. 

1597
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:47,440
Do we know how Brandfoot got 
connected to Culpepper? 

1598
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:50,440
I have gone through the book 
looking to see if we ever find 

1599
01:17:50,440 --> 01:17:51,840
this out and I don't think we 
do. 

1600
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:55,840
My best guess is that Sir Robin 
mentions that Brandfoot is a 

1601
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:58,880
rent a quote she calls him I 
think so if he likes giving 

1602
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:01,440
quotes the press about 
everything under the sun. 

1603
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:04,680
Maybe Culpepper just happened to
reach out about Strike and hit 

1604
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:06,680
gold. 
That makes sense, they have a 

1605
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:08,440
mutual interest in taking him 
down. 

1606
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:13,840
It says strike headed strong 
desire to call Robin because 

1607
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:17,200
hearing her voice always makes 
him feel better but he's worried

1608
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:20,320
she think less of him. 
This hurts because we know 

1609
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:25,680
what's coming and there are so 
many what ifs and if only is in 

1610
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:28,320
this book. 
There are too many. 

1611
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,160
Yeah, if only he had called her 
and confided in her. 

1612
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:34,480
She could have told him that she
knows him better than that, or 

1613
01:18:34,480 --> 01:18:37,560
if only Robin had reached out 
and said she saw it, but that 

1614
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:39,880
she believed him, he would have 
felt safe to open up. 

1615
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:41,440
About how he loves. 
Her. 

1616
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:45,600
Yeah, there's so many. 
If we see another issue with 

1617
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:48,840
striking the press in the next 
book or the last, which could be

1618
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:52,000
possible, especially with like 
stuff with Charlotte's death, 

1619
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:54,720
maybe going off the conversation
with Valentine or something 

1620
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:56,400
else. 
But it would be nice to see a 

1621
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:59,280
flip side of that where he opens
up and she can reassure him. 

1622
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:02,800
I was kind of wondering if the 
Kim drama could come up again, 

1623
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:05,000
not even in the press, but just 
with Robin. 

1624
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:10,840
Like if she tries to play on the
rumors in the press with him and

1625
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:13,240
saying that he tried to come on 
to her or something. 

1626
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:16,240
Do you know what I mean? 
I was so glad when he told Robin

1627
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:18,520
basically exactly what happened,
yeah. 

1628
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:22,800
But if Kim tries to spin that, 
because I think that we know 

1629
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:24,960
that Navabi and Ko is going to 
come up, of course. 

1630
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:30,560
So if Kim tries to spin that, 
I'm just wondering if what's 

1631
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:32,880
going to happen. 
I'm wanting Strike to go right 

1632
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:36,040
to Robin with it, you know? 
Yeah, yeah, he better. 

1633
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:37,560
It's like a total opposite to 
this. 

1634
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:41,480
Yeah, I remember this is a part 
in the book where I remember so 

1635
01:19:41,480 --> 01:19:46,120
specifically feeling so relieved
when I read Robin's reaction. 

1636
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:49,480
Maybe I should have realized I 
was being set up for absolute 

1637
01:19:49,480 --> 01:19:52,720
heartbreak later, but I was so 
happy to see her standing by 

1638
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:56,320
Herman like this. 
You know, even just in her mind 

1639
01:19:56,480 --> 01:20:00,000
she thinks that the thought of 
Strikes seducing a woman for 

1640
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,680
evidence wasn't pleasant. 
But she couldn't really judge 

1641
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:04,600
him because she had done the 
same thing with, what's his 

1642
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:06,360
name, Horseman. 
Pierce. 

1643
01:20:06,440 --> 01:20:10,240
Yeah, I do not want to remember 
that Pez Pierce exists. 

1644
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:15,320
You know that when Robin was in 
the news for the UHC, Pez Pierce

1645
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:17,760
was telling everyone he could 
that he made out with her. 

1646
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:21,320
Definitely. 
I think what the story he told 

1647
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:24,280
probably went further than me. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1648
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:27,440
But yeah, 100%. 
What about this story with Nina,

1649
01:20:27,440 --> 01:20:28,520
though? 
Do we think it's a fair 

1650
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:31,920
assessment what Nina is 
presenting that he seduced her 

1651
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:34,160
for evidence? 
Because thank you. 

1652
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:35,760
Yeah, I think that's all you 
need. 

1653
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:38,760
He didn't even know Nina before 
the Roper chart party. 

1654
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:41,800
It was 100% a setup that she was
in. 

1655
01:20:42,440 --> 01:20:44,520
I don't think he seduced her to 
get evidence. 

1656
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:46,800
He slept with her as a thank 
you. 

1657
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:51,720
For getting the evidence we told
him was insane, which he didn't 

1658
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:54,640
listen. 
Idiotic, as we've discussed. 

1659
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:57,680
Why didn't he listen to me? 
He never listens to me. 

1660
01:20:57,680 --> 01:20:59,800
It's. 
Not what Nina is saying 

1661
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:02,680
happened. 
It seems to me that for Nina to 

1662
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:06,760
still be so angry, she must have
spent a lot of time stewing 

1663
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:09,760
about a strike ghosting her and 
how used she felt, right? 

1664
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:13,960
So much so that she probably has
constructed a narrative in her 

1665
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:17,240
head about what happened that 
doesn't align with reality and 

1666
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:18,920
she's made strike a villain in 
her story. 

1667
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:22,000
Or she is embarrassed at how 
desperate she came off. 

1668
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:25,280
Well, yeah, I think she's 
managed to forget how desperate 

1669
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:28,760
and obvious she was that she 
wanted to sleep with him. 

1670
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:32,280
And she's told herself that he 
kept seeing her because she had 

1671
01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:35,000
information to share about a 
quine of Robitaire, and it was 

1672
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:36,840
super important. 
So she's told herself the story 

1673
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:38,840
this so many times that it's 
become her memory. 

1674
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:41,720
Because memory is so unreliable,
it can be constructed, 

1675
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:45,160
manipulated, influence changed 
by yourself, by other people. 

1676
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:48,240
I wouldn't be surprised if at 
this point, what Nina remembers 

1677
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:50,320
having happened and what 
actually happened are 

1678
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:53,840
significantly different. 
It would be difficult to forget 

1679
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:56,760
that she got the manuscript the 
night they met and before 

1680
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:59,000
sleeping together, though. 
You would think. 

1681
01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:00,680
I wouldn't. 
I do. 

1682
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:02,720
The brain is very suggestible, 
it's true. 

1683
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:05,520
Even then, she might have 
twisted it in her mind so that 

1684
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:08,920
it's totally different, maybe, I
don't know. 

1685
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:10,480
I'm skeptical. 
I. 

1686
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:14,160
Think she's certainly forgot how
much she made it very clear that

1687
01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:16,200
she wanted. 
How much she wanted it, Yeah. 

1688
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:19,320
Let's talk about the other 
person I have it out for in this

1689
01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:22,400
chapter, though, and that is Mr.
Ryan Murphy. 

1690
01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:27,560
Fucking hell, you know, you know
he is salivating at this 

1691
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:29,640
article. 
He was thrilled. 

1692
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:32,560
And you know what? 
I bet Robin wasn't the only one 

1693
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:35,800
he texted about it too. 
I bet he texted his parents 

1694
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:38,200
about it. 
Is it possible he texted Linda 

1695
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:39,760
about this? 
Surely not. 

1696
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:41,480
He couldn't be that awful, could
he? 

1697
01:22:41,480 --> 01:22:44,640
Except I bet he could be, 
because he's clearly in in 

1698
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:48,600
cahoots with Linda. 
He's wormed his way up in there.

1699
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:50,720
He wanted to make sure she saw 
it. 

1700
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:53,280
He wanted to be like, Oh my 
goodness, Linda, did you see 

1701
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:55,560
this? 
I feel concerned. 

1702
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:57,520
You know, they could have 
started now because they like, 

1703
01:22:57,520 --> 01:22:59,360
they talk about it later during 
Christmas. 

1704
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:01,040
You know, they talk about it 
later. 

1705
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:03,520
That's the thing. 
We know they talk about it 

1706
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:05,680
later. 
I think he's sneaky, Dick said 

1707
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:08,000
about this stuff. 
I bet that they're probably 

1708
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:10,880
going back and forth going, man,
I can't believe she doesn't 

1709
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:13,760
believe any of this stuff. 
I can't believe she's working 

1710
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:15,680
with him. 
God that's making me so bad. 

1711
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:18,160
Just thought of that. 
Well, we're not the only ones 

1712
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:20,280
who's annoyed because Robin is 
annoyed with him too. 

1713
01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:22,360
She thinks that he should 
understand what it's like to 

1714
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:25,280
have negative press. 
And she's right, I would think. 

1715
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:28,840
I mean, I'm just annoyed 
thinking about how pleased 

1716
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:31,680
Murphy is to have this 
opportunity to throw strike 

1717
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:34,240
under the bus to Robin. 
That's prize ship behavior right

1718
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:36,560
there. 
It's the same thing that Kim did

1719
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:40,000
to Robin to strike a couple of 
chapters ago. 

1720
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:42,520
You know, Kim and Murphy would 
be a pretty good fit. 

1721
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:43,920
They would. 
Saying they could make each 

1722
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:46,680
other miserable. 
Miserable ever after like 

1723
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:48,280
Matthew and Sarah? 
Yeah. 

1724
01:23:48,440 --> 01:23:50,920
I love Matthew and Sarah making 
each other miserable. 

1725
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:52,720
It's such a treat to me. 
So nice. 

1726
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:55,520
I'm so. 
I love that so. 

1727
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:59,000
Nice, I love it. 
For me, Robin gets a phone call 

1728
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:01,680
from an unknown number. 
This is Sapphire, right? 

1729
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:04,920
Yes, I think so. 
She's pretending to be Tyler's 

1730
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:08,720
grandmother's great niece and 
telling Robin that she's in the 

1731
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:11,240
hospital. 
Oh yeah, and this is Griff's 

1732
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:14,400
trying to get Robin to back off 
of trying to make contact with 

1733
01:24:14,440 --> 01:24:15,960
her. 
Most definitely, yeah. 

1734
01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:18,840
There's a little bit of a clue 
here, though, because Robin here

1735
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:21,760
scratching on the phone and she 
thinks that the caller is 

1736
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:24,400
doodling. 
But really, we know that Griff 

1737
01:24:24,480 --> 01:24:27,400
this is writing out instructions
for what she should say. 

1738
01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:31,040
Yeah, and that's why she pauses 
so long where she says 

1739
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:33,360
everything. 
I'm so glad this girl is saved 

1740
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:34,200
me. 
Too. 

1741
01:24:34,480 --> 01:24:37,400
And she has a really cool name. 
Blue Sapphire. 

1742
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:40,720
It's another blue. 
Hey, wait a second, we haven't 

1743
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:43,800
explored that idea. 
It's Septembers birthstone too. 

1744
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:44,680
It is. 
It's mine. 

1745
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:48,600
I know it's fine too. 
Oh yeah, we have a quick silver 

1746
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:52,320
siding here, it says. 
In the lobby of the hotel, Robin

1747
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:56,160
paws beside a large Christmas 
tree surrounded by silver models

1748
01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:59,160
of fawns. 
Oh, silver fawns. 

1749
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:03,920
You know that fonts doesn't 
really work. 

1750
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:06,440
No, not quite. 
I can't help but think now of 

1751
01:25:06,440 --> 01:25:08,480
Harry's stag patronus and 
snakes. 

1752
01:25:08,480 --> 01:25:11,680
Silver dough. 
Now there's a silver baby, dear.

1753
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:14,400
But I don't think that's 
actually a connection because I 

1754
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:16,240
couldn't make that into anything
in my head. 

1755
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:19,480
No, it's just a silver fawn. 
Silver fawn? 

1756
01:25:19,480 --> 01:25:21,040
Another silver? 
Yeah. 

1757
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:22,520
Yep. 
And then the chapter ends with 

1758
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:26,800
Robin calling Strike and having 
the idea to try and interview 

1759
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:29,120
Pamela Boleyn Driscoll at the 
Silver Vaults. 

1760
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:31,480
On stuff all. 
Right. 

1761
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:34,640
What are we doing next time? 
All right, next time we are 

1762
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:38,360
doing chapters 24 through 26, 
and in those chapters we see 

1763
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:41,520
Robin speaking with Pamela 
Strike, visiting Gibson's 

1764
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:44,560
auction house, and receiving a 
note in Pig Pen cipher. 

1765
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:46,800
Hey, by the way, what's the name
of book 9 again? 

1766
01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:49,520
Sleep tight eventually. 
Sleep tight. 

1767
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:53,000
I'm going to say it in a creepy 
voice, just assuming that it's 

1768
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:56,120
sleep tight Evangeline like his 
killer saying it. 

1769
01:25:56,160 --> 01:26:00,640
Sleep tight, Evangeline. 
Yeah, that's good. 

1770
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:04,280
That's good stuff. 
And he closes the coffin and 

1771
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:06,360
starts shoveling on the dirt. 
Oh my. 

1772
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:08,680
Gosh, that'll do it for this 
episode. 

1773
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:11,440
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1774
01:26:11,440 --> 01:26:13,440
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1775
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:17,320
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1776
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:21,280
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1777
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:25,520
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1778
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:27,760
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1779
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:30,000
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1780
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:30,960
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