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Hi everyone, and welcome back to
the Strike and Ellicott Files, 

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an unofficial podcast dedicated 
to all things Strike and Robin 

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as written by Robert Galbraith, 
AKA the endlessly talented JK 

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Rowling. 
My name is Kenz. 

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I'm Lindsay. 
And I'm pulse. 

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And today we'll be continuing 
our reread of The Hallmarked 

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Man, covering chapters 16 and 
17, which takes us from striking

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Kim's run in with Nina to Midge 
asking Robin about Strike and 

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Kim. 
Please be aware, as always, that

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our discussion of the Hallmarked
Man will often reference the 

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ending of this book as well as 
the previous books in the 

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series. 
But before we get into the set 

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of chapters, we do have AQ and A
that we wanted to do for this 

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episode. 
And this one is how did you come

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up with the idea for this 
particular case? 

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And I thought this would be a 
good one, since we're just 

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starting to get into the meat 
and potatoes of the case. 

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It's always quite hard. 
I often can't quite remember how

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I came up with the with the 
specific puzzle. 

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I did know that I wanted to do, 
you know, a take on the lot room

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mystery and I think the actual 
murder evolved as I started 

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researching where I wanted it to
take place. 

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I did think initially I was 
going to set the murder in the 

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silver vaults, but it it would 
be, it would be literally 

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impossible. 
I I mean, there's security is I 

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don't know whether it's true or 
not. 

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I did put it in the book because
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worked there, that it's the 
fourth most secure building in 

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the world and they claim they've
never had the burglary. 

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And once you've been there, I 
think I I buy that. 

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One thing I really like about 
this answer is that she really 

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does the research to make sure 
that the crime is doable in the 

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real world. 
Her wanting to place it in the 

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silver vaults and then realizing
that it wouldn't be practical is

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so interesting because some 
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just do it anyway. 
I can write it, however. 

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But she doesn't do that. 
And I just find that an 

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interesting part of her process.
And I've always really liked 

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locked Door mysteries. 
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And Then There Were None, which 
I guess is more of a locked 

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island mystery, but it still 
counts when you look it up. 

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There's also Murder on the 
Orient Express is also one. 

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The Murder of Roger Ackroyd is 
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though I've not read it. 
I loved And Then There Were None

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and The Murder of Roger Ackroyd 
I have read and it was good. 

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I actually guessed the murderer 
correctly on that one. 

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Oh, look at you. 
It's a pretty infamously mind 

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blowing twist. 
So I was, oh, really pretty. 

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Too proud of myself, you might 
say. 

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I wonder if they have that 
inaudible for free because a lot

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of times older books are free 
inaudible you. 

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Should listen to it, but now 
that you know it's a mind 

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blowing twist you'll be able to 
guess as well 100%. 

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You have a lot of confidence in 
me. 

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No, I do, because like the one 
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The mind. 
Blowing twist. 

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So I went in thinking like, oh, 
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I'm like, oh, I know what it is.
OK, it's free. 

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I put it to my Audible library. 
It's good. 

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I'd really like her to do like 
an isolated location like, and 

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then there were none, maybe like
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or something where there's a 
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place and they're stuck there 
with them and each other. 

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Also, Murphy can't get there 
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whatever. 
He's stuck in Spain or 

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something, I don't know. 
Sure. 

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I don't care where he's stuck. 
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that there is one that I have 
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the Speckled Band by Sir Arthur 
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Yet there's the Holmes one. 
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I think it's one of the first 
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It was in one of those fancy 
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Sherlock Holmes stories, but 
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And you know, Clue is 
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might explain why I'm such a fan
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That tracks. 
It's like earliest childhood it.

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Makes sense? 
Formative. 

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I think what tickles me most 
about this case being a locked 

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room mystery is that it ended up
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room of all time. 
The absolute worst security. 

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Literally anyone could have 
gotten in and out of this locked

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room. 
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twist to the genre because it 
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something other than the room 
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She does something totally 
different with it and focuses on

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something else. 
It's a twist on a locked room 

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mystery, but there's two locked 
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There's the vault, and then 
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the girls are held. 
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and open up the other locked 
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I didn't think about that. 
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That yeah, that's. 
What? 

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I like that. 
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looking for the actual locked 
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It wasn't the actual one, huh? 
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I'm also interested in just 
looking at the types of crime 

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that JK Rowling has done with 
these books to see if we can get

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ideas for 8-9 and 10. 
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occult, Internet culture, cold 
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and troubled blood. 
What would lethal white be like?

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Government corruption? 
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A serial killer book in a book, 
the rich and famous. 

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I don't know. 
So what does it leave? 

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I'm like heist, heist. 
I'm just getting. 

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Creepy doll heist. 
Let's fucking go. 

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I mean doll heist. 
I have no idea what those dolls 

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could be. 
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to like motherhood in some way. 
I'm hoping that I don't know 

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the. 
Creepiest connection to 

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motherhood I've ever Well. 
I I mean, because that's the 

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tree house that's. 
Creepier than the women with the

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real dolls on TikTok. 
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Is it, I think that just 
connecting like that with the 

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tree house thing just could, it 
could connect to kids, it could 

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connect to motherhood and then 
somehow in some way could 

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connect to Aleida and then that 
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I'm wondering if that's a total 
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put these two Hutters that. 
Tree house and a doll it may. 

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Think but it's actually not 
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Maybe the dolls have drugs being
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know, And maybe the tree house. 
Maybe switch is living in a tree

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house I. 
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Tarzan, shut up. 
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tree house. 
Maybe Switch's grandparents were

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killed by leopards or whatever 
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Tree house. 
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It was, but you know what? 
Phil Collins made-up for it. 

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Back to the heist, though. 
I've been begging for heist. 

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And you know what? 
Similarly to how this book 

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appears to be a locked room 
mystery, but the room's not 

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really that locked. 
It appears to be a heist, but 

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the stuff was never actually 
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A bit of a double twist. 
Yeah, I want another missing 

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person where it's a kidnapping, 
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I really want a kidnapping in a 
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haven't gotten a good race 
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Has there been any race against 
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Well, Ink Black heart kind of at
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you mean. 
Ink Black Heart was the most 

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suspenseful. 
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want clock ticking short 
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Someone's in danger if they 
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Even more so than usual. 
Really, really love that. 

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But how would you drag that to 
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Oh, would it be? 
Would it be like dragging out 

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like the last quarter of a 
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Even if it has to be a bit 
shorter, if it's just really 

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really good. 
And also there's lots of very 

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good Strike and Robin content, I
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Anyway, we need some more clues 
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chapters. 
I'm really hoping that before 

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the year is out that she gives 
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OK. 
Chapter 16 So in this chapter, 

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Strike and Kim run into Nina 
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And then the epigraph for this 
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longest parenthetical phrase, I 
think, that I've ever seen in a 

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poem, this wild girl, whom I 
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do, in her fancy, fit, eccentric
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Not very wise, perhaps, and 
somewhat bold, yet suitable. 

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The whole night's work being 
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And that is from In a Balcony by
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So weird that Robert Browning 
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Incredible. 
He was a time traveler. 

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Actually, there are a few women 
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Obviously we have Kim, who's 
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definitely bold, but it could 
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maybe even misses. 
AI should note that this is the 

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same epigraph source as we just 
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I think was chapter 13 the one 
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OK. 
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Norbert and Constance, were in 
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We're talking about the Queen 
and whether she knew about their

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secret relationship. 
In this one, it's the Queen 

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talking about Constance, who's 
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I think I'm to be honest, I 
still haven't fully read this 

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whole poem. 
It's long and there's the 

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dialogue's confusing and I have,
I have Christmas cookies to 

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bake. 
I have talent to render. 

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But I did read a chunk of it and
I tried to summarize it here, 

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but I don't think I grasped the 
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But basically it's about a love 
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communication skills on the part
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And I think it might end with 
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death, which is pretty 
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She's just had it with them and 
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She's done. 
She's up to here. 

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But the last two lines in the 
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although Constance is acting 
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the Queen thinks there's truth 
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the Queen, should confess her 
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She shouldn't. 
If Constance is crazy, then it 

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fits because the whole night's 
been crazy. 

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So I'm going to take that as 
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incredibly unhinged and 
irritating, but she is right 

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about one thing at the end and 
it's a strike is really good in 

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bed. 
Not that she's ever going to get

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to find that out, but wow. 
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Take away. 
I did not see that coming. 

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You didn't. 
Think I could work my way there,

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but you know what? 
Don't tell pools what she can't 

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do. 
You think I can't get there from

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literally anywhere? 
Yep, like 6° of Kevin Bacon but 

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6° two strikes skill in bed. 
So Strike is upset in the 

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opening of this chapter, as we 
all are, because he found out 

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about the hunting and just, you 
know, don't give up, buddy. 

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Yeah, we all, we all feel 
betrayed and resentful about the

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house hunting. 
You're not alone. 

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We're going to get through it 
together. 

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Let's talk about Nile. 
Simple. 

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It's easy to kind of want to set
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that he's not the man in the 
vault, but I think it's still 

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important because it is really 
meaningful to strike. 

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He really connects with Semple. 
He does, yeah. 

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I think that Simple might be one
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this case. 
Because Strike connects side 

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dude. 
Because Strike connects with him

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so much. 
Because his parts of the book 

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are particularly emotionally 
resonant, at least for me. 

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I think Strike connects with him
in a similar way to how Robin 

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connected to Margo. 
They saw themselves in each of 

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them. 
You're right, and Strike gets 

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inside Semples head a bit 
watching all of those horrific 

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dark web videos, much like how 
Robin got inside Margo's head by

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listening to Joni Mitchell. 
One of those a much nicer 

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experience than the other. 
It's kind of offensive to Joni 

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Mitchell. 
It's fine. 

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How? 
Dare you? 

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If we're talking about the theme
of this book, which is what 

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marks us, losing his leg in the 
army is a big mark for Strike. 

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And I think that he looks at 
Simple and thinks about how 

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maybe what happened to him could
have been him. 

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Being injured in the line of 
duty, 100% a mark that they 

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share. 
But I think that also their life

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in the Army marked them both as 
well because it's a shared 

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culture and the mindset like 
it's a, it's a brotherhood like 

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the Masons a little bit. 
I think he understands simple or

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connects to them not just 
because of what happened to end 

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his career, but because of that 
whole career and where he chose 

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to spend it as well. 
I love this whole sublot. 

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Strike is really interested in 
the incident that ended Simple's

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military career, and I think it 
could also be for the same 

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reason. 
He's connecting with that 

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experience of trauma in action. 
Plot wise, he's also most 

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interested in it specifically 
because there isn't any 

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information on it. 
If the military is hiding 

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something, and I think that 
Strike can sniff out that 

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there's something being hidden 
here because there's nothing 

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there, there's a strong chance 
it had something to do with his 

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disappearance and could help 
Strike find him. 

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Yeah, I feel like it's strike 
sixth sense for things seeming 

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fishy coming out again. 
Maybe he was a sniffer dog in a 

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past life. 
We're also introduced to his 

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wife Jade, and given our 
conversation last time about 

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these missing men and the media 
interest, I think putting this 

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in there with his wife pleading 
for information is a good 

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reminder of the pain their 
absence leaves on their loved 

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ones. 
Not to cause a tonal whiplash 

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from that serious and important 
point that you've made there, 

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but Strike, thinking about how 
he doesn't find Jade Semple 

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attractive, gave us this line 
right here. 

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He could imagine that to men who
liked that sort of thing, who 

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enjoyed feeling large and 
masculine beside girlish women 

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of tiny proportions. 
But most importantly, my thought

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is about how secure Strike is in
his masculinity and in actually 

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being giant. 
Because he doesn't need that 

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little girlish woman to feel 
ignorance and masculine. 

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He just is. 
And you know, what he likes is 

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not tiny women because it's more
comfortable to kiss them. 

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It's just so practical, so 
secure, so sexy. 

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That part both makes me love him
and makes me laugh to men who 

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liked that sort of thing. 
I liked the little detail that 

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he doesn't like the heavily 
brought on eyebrows. 

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I just really appreciated that 
because I don't like it either. 

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Yeah. 
I. 

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Like hearing a man say that even
though I know that it's a woman 

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saying it. 
Yeah, I liked hearing the man 

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say that porn was harmful back 
in Book 5, even though it was 

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ultimately. 
Also, it's nice hearing it come 

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from a guy. 
It's vindication, you know? 

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I also hate those. 
Yeah, exactly. 

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Eyebrow trend. 
I'm not fan of them either, and 

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especially at this point in 
time, those kinds of eyebrows 

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were super in fashion. 
God, they were. 

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Yeah, if you look up 2016 brows,
that's that's exactly what was 

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what was on track. 
I unfortunately did last night. 

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Oh wow. 
I will admit though, in my own 

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makeup struggles I've always had
trouble with that when it comes 

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to lining my eyebrows because 
I've got 2 eyebrows freckle 

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underneath this eyebrow that's 
really dark and whenever I'm 

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lining my eyebrows it's like I 
want to make the rest of my 

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eyebrow as dark as that part 
because it stands out otherwise.

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So I always end up I just forego
lining them completely because 

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I'm just like, no, no. 
Mine gets so thin towards the 

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end that you almost can't see 
them. 

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Are they like that all the time 
or is that just like mine are 

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naturally like really bushy? 
No, mine are not at all. 

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They're super thin. 
That eyebrow trend comes back 

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around, you know, the 90s 
friends will come around before 

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you know it, and then you'll be 
yeah. 

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That's a natural like, don't 
even have to do anything to fit 

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right in. 
We got really, really 

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distracted. 
But I was talking about Jade 

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Simple asking, you know, the 
media for help finding her 

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husband. 
And I think that this whole 

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thing is it, it's big in this 
book. 

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Given Decima's state of mind, 
she's so distraught over Rupert 

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missing that we all question her
mental health the whole time and

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whether or not they're doing the
the right thing. 

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The other two men come off as 
less sympathetic when looking at

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who is missing them. 
So we have Danny de Lion, who's 

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missing, who is missed by a 
fellow porn star and who doesn't

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have a strong personal 
connection to him. 

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So I think that's kind of two 
points against her if you're 

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looking for sympathy. 
And then there's Tyler Powell, 

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the actual victim, and he's 
missed by this elderly woman 

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who, if I remember correctly, 
she didn't seem super loving. 

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It didn't, right? 
It was like, I'm supposed to 

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bring in the groceries. 
Yeah. 

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I don't know. 
It wasn't the heartfelt thing 

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that we get from like Decima or 
even Jade. 

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It's much sadder that these two 
don't appear to be really missed

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by anyone who who loves them, so
there's no one left to tug on 

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our heartstrings. 
But that absence by itself is 

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really tragic in what it says 
about Danny and Tyler's lives. 

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It makes me feel worse for them.
And with Tyler, the woman who 

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was really depending on him, she
is also dead because of the 

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killer in this book. 
She didn't even get the chance 

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to plead for someone to look for
him. 

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Chloe and Tyler really are in 
the running for the saddest 

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story in these books. 
Like who? 

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Who beats them? 
I mean, it's hard. 

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It's hard. 
You know, Vcast and who he 

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thought Nicole slash Paperwhite 
was and make black heart was 

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pretty sad, but I think that 
Chloe and Tyler might actually 

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be the saddest, though I did. 
You know, I did cry during that 

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montage of like when they did 
the murder like Margo and they 

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stuffed her in the in the 
Ottoman in the TV show. 

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I definitely cried during that. 
Margo was also very upsetting. 

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Oh God. 
I'd be interested to hear a 

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man's perspective on who they 
think tugs at their 

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heartstrings. 
As far as saddest victim because

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you. 
Know what? 

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Yeah. 
I feel a real connection to 

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Margo, but I don't know if men 
would feel the same way or 

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Vikas's story would hit in the 
same way because it was kind of 

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the tragic love story for V 
guests that really I think got 

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most of us. 
I would actually also be 

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interested in hearing from men 
on that. 

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So yeah, I mean, how does Simple
Story connect with men? 

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Because it's it's going to be a 
different experience. 

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And yeah, someone get back to me
on that one. 

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Thoughts and a penis. 
Thoughts and a penis please. 

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We need a whole segment that's 
called thoughts and a penis. 

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Going back to Jade though, she 
calls Strike in response to his 

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message and we learn that she 
has a new man in the background 

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calling her babe and being 
confidently wrong about things. 

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Maybe put there to make us 
suspicious of whether her grief 

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is genuine because it's been was
like 6 months ish since he 

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disappeared. 
Is that it? 

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Yeah, because he disappeared in 
May when Robin was in. 

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Oh, right, of course. 
It's been like 6:00-ish months, 

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right? 
It doesn't seem that long, but I

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think that when we get to know 
her more later, I think we do 

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see that she's genuinely in pain
and it's complicated by thinking

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he's run off with another woman.
What a contrast between Jade and

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Decima, where Jade is convinced 
that he left with another woman 

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and then Decima is the complete 
opposite. 

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She's convinced he's dead 
because he wouldn't. 

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Yeah, that is, that is a good 
contrast, yeah. 

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Let's talk about Nina. 
Nina. 

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Nina, Nina this. 
Was such an exciting thing that 

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happened in this book for me, 
having Nina show up again. 

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Especially right after finishing
Silkworm too, this was really 

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fun. 
I know. 

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Good timing, good timing. 
The song that's playing when Kim

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wants to dance and she asked 
Strike to dance actually is 

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Shout out to my ex and Kim 
thinks that that's appropriate 

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for her situation, but we all 
know she's not the main 

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character. 
We know what's about to happen. 

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Oh my God, I didn't even make 
that connection. 

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I didn't even realize that that 
was because Nina was about to 

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show up. 
This book is really a shout out 

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just to all the XS, the X 
characters. 

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In this book of callbacks, I 
love how we are reintroduced to 

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Nina with the exact same line 
from the last time we saw her, 

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which is, you know, what are you
doing here? 

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And once again, picturing the 
bed with Angela popping up in 

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Starling Dwight. 
Yeah. 

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But so Nina is also wearing a 
strapless black dress here. 

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The last time I saw her she was 
wearing I feel like it was 

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described as a strappy black 
dress. 

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She's pretty. 
Inconsistent. 

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Yeah. 
It's the same thing she was 

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wearing when she went to his. 
Birthday dinner. 

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What does that mean? 
Does that mean that she's still 

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stuck in anger? 
I. 

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Fully believe it, yes. 
Because there is, there's an 

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anger back then and there's an 
anger now. 

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And I'm just not loving Nina in 
this chapter. 

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I'm, you know, still Team 
Marguerite over here. 

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Oh, Marguerite. 
This line just absolutely kills 

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me and made me laugh at strike. 
It's and he's thinking about why

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he had slept with Nina. 
It says that it had seemed rude 

404
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not to. 
I think I think and I hope that 

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he's realizing how stupid he was
for this because even he thinks 

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why did I just send flowers and 
say thank you? 

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But it had seemed rude not to. 
Is amazing. 

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00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:33,440
Strike, we were all just as 
baffled as you are now. 

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Back then, if I recall, we were 
all quite. 

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Why didn't you just send flowers
and. 

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This is one of those times where
it's like I went, I think I 

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mentioned the last time we were 
recording that. 

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It's like one of those times 
where you need to say it out 

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loud so you can hear how crazy 
it sounds before you like to 

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take action. 
Yeah, it's like a test run by 

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saying it out loud. 
Yeah. 

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I'm glad though that he seems to
to be getting it though that 

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that was perhaps not a wise 
choice on his part. 

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Now that's what I call Growth 42
edition. 

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In his defense, he was tired at 
the time. 

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Seems like a reason not to do do
it even more. 

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Yeah, you'd think. 
I just imagine if a woman said 

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that, well, I did it because I 
had to, it would have been rude 

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not to. 
What would we say to that? 

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You know, exactly. 
Someone's got to tell them. 

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It does really show how much 
he's grown, I guess, when it 

427
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comes to these things. 
Because I do think that his 

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relationship with Charlotte made
him see romance or love, 

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affection, sex, whatever, as a 
give and take. 

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You know, they did something for
me. 

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I owe this. 
And you know, that was 

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Charlotte. 
There would have been 

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consequences for not giving what
you owe and. 

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At least for part of their 
relationship, I feel like for 

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Charlotte, because she was there
for him after his leg got blown 

436
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off, he was always going to be 
in a place of owing her. 

437
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,040
Yeah. 
He could never say no to not 

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doing or giving what she wanted.
So yeah, there's a sense of 

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obligation. 
Yeah, I mean, it's still so 

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stupid. 
It is. 

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It's still so stupid. 
Like you literally just could 

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say no. 
Yeah, it's kind of a similar 

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place though, to where Robin is,
because she feels like she owes 

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00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,520
Murphy. 
She felt like she owes old 

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Matthew Robin. 
You could just say thanks, bye, 

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give them some breakup flowers. 
Breakup Flowers. 

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By Murphy A new map. 
This is where you can go. 

448
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Sam Sebastian Timbuktu, the 
YMCA. 

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Wherever, hell or. 
Even I was going. 

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To say like it and walks him 
right off the road into a lake. 

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But what are our thoughts on 
Nina now? 

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Because I I have thoughts. 
Oh my thoughts are most of it. 

453
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,640
It's been 6 years and she really
needs to chill. 

454
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,400
Girl, you're engaged to someone 
else, you gotta let it go. 

455
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,480
I really like that Strike lied 
to her and told her that he was 

456
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,920
there because he donated for his
godson or something. 

457
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,400
Because you know, she's going to
stir up trouble if if she thinks

458
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,600
he's there for a job and tell 
Culpepper. 

459
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,160
And it's like, first of all, 
like, why do you think that you 

460
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,520
have the right to say where he 
could be? 

461
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:05,320
Like you don't own the gala. 
I know your name on it, Nina. 

462
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,440
Strike thinks about how he 
doesn't have the inflated ego to

463
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,400
think that all Nina's hatred 
towards him was about them 

464
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,760
sleeping together. 
I do think it's part of it. 

465
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,360
I think she's still pretty 
salty. 

466
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:21,240
I choose personally to view this
as a testament to yes just how 

467
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,720
good strike is Nina? 
Still this about not getting 

468
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,920
more from him. 
I will not be dissuaded from 

469
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,760
this view. 
His. 

470
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,800
Ego, he's a humble guy. 
He's not going to admit it. 

471
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,040
I can think it for him. 
I think that Bijou would argue 

472
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,000
with it though. 
Yeah, well, he I don't think he 

473
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,000
was giving Bijou is 100%. 
Well, no, no. 

474
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,320
Of course not girls free. 
The thing that I really didn't 

475
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,200
like about Nina, and really it 
just made me think that she 

476
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,040
might not be a very good person,
is how she is mad at Strike for 

477
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,040
ruining her friend's life 
because the agency caught her 

478
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,280
friend cheating. 
Yeah, that's red flag. 

479
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,600
We don't even have to have to 
explain why that's very 

480
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,640
obviously red flag for lack of 
character. 

481
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,560
Yeah, I understand that she had 
a bad experience of feeling used

482
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,320
by Strike, and she's right for 
that. 

483
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,160
But her cousin's mad at Strike 
that he doesn't give him the 

484
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,360
scoop anymore, and now her 
friend got caught. 

485
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,800
Those are entitled grudges. 
You know, She doesn't really 

486
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,800
have a right to feel that way. 
Strike doesn't owe Culpepper 

487
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,080
stories. 
Her friend doesn't owe 

488
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,880
discretion to cheat. 
You know, he could try being a 

489
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,960
better journalist. 
The friend could try not 

490
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,160
cheating. 
Lot of Strike being blamed for 

491
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,800
other people's actions. 
Yeah. 

492
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,720
I wonder if the real source of 
Culpeppers grudge is that Strike

493
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,120
made him wade through the 
brothers Balzac. 

494
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,560
It all comes back to the 
brothers Balzac it. 

495
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:42,040
All comes back to that book and 
Strike wasting, presumably like 

496
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,280
an afternoon, making him read 
that book. 

497
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,440
He's never gotten over it. 
He's gone into insanity after 

498
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,840
reading Owen Klein. 
He's read The Brothers Balzac 

499
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,760
front to back and lost his 
entire damn mind. 

500
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,360
Let's get to hating on Kim. 
She. 

501
00:25:57,360 --> 00:26:00,560
Has me absolutely cringing in 
this chapter. 

502
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,640
First of all, we have the 
backless dress. 

503
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,800
A backless dress is fine, but we
know she's wearing it to try and

504
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,120
seduce Strike. 
We have to add this to the list.

505
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,840
There's also the fact that it's 
obvious that she's not wearing 

506
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,000
anything underneath the dress. 
That's very, Yeah, it's a bit 

507
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,120
Yikes. 
Big, big Yikes. 

508
00:26:18,360 --> 00:26:20,960
I think that means he got a peek
at crack is what I he. 

509
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,720
Got he, He I'm. 
Surprised she didn't have a 

510
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:24,440
tramp stamp. 
A. 

511
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,520
Peek. 
That, oh God, little butterfly, 

512
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,040
I. 
Haven't heard that phrase in a 

513
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,960
long time. 
So it says that her dress is 

514
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,920
high necked with long sleeves 
and then the open back. 

515
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,080
But compare Strikes reaction to 
it here with his reaction when 

516
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,080
Robin wears a high necked dress 
later on. 

517
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,480
Yeah, when he's like, he found 
it really sexy and it's modesty,

518
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,200
it's ostensible modesty or 
demureness or whatever. 

519
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,160
Here, here he can basically 
already see what's under the 

520
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,480
dress. 
He's not interested. 

521
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,960
With Robin it's try me and I. 
Love that comparison. 

522
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,320
Yeah, yeah. 
That's a good one because she 

523
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,920
has class and you don't, Kim. 
What is that on Parent trap? 

524
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,200
Parent trap? 
Yeah, I have. 

525
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,640
Class and you don't. 
When she tells him that he looks

526
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,640
nice, I'm busting out the spray 
bottle. 

527
00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:15,640
Yeah, get away from him. 
Nope, you're not allowed. 

528
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,880
Don't touch him. 
Getting out the wet newspaper. 

529
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,960
Maybe like a firehose to really 
ran the message home on that one

530
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,000
cooler. 
Exactly I'm. 

531
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,840
Just imagining this small woman 
just getting humbled by the 

532
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,640
firehose water. 
It's really. 

533
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,160
Not so just. 
Take her out. 

534
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,160
It would totally take her out 
doing. 

535
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,640
US all service, you know, they 
save lives. 

536
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,760
The fire department. 
That's what fire hydrants are. 

537
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,880
For just a really funny image, 
sorry. 

538
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,680
Telling him he looks nice, and 
then he says likewise out of 

539
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,240
politeness. 
It feels like a fun little 

540
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,400
connection to his thoughts. 
That we were just talking about 

541
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,200
how it seemed rude not to sleep 
with Nina because I'm like, 

542
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,200
Strike. 
It's a much smaller scale 

543
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,160
though. 
It is a much smaller scale. 

544
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,960
He's getting much better. 
But I do want, I do want to go 

545
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,320
back to the basic manners 
lessons because I feel like 

546
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,080
there was a miscommunication, 
like a crossed wire at some 

547
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,680
point that maybe has led to the 
wrong idea of what's rude in 

548
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,240
terms of responding to women's 
sexual advances. 

549
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,720
That's probably Joan. 
Wait, what? 

550
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,360
What do we what? 
Wouldn't you could review the 

551
00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:29,040
manners lesson that made you 
think this was rude? 

552
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,440
Because you don't have to tell 
her. 

553
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,200
She brushes up nice. 
I think you do. 

554
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,080
Yeah, I guess. 
That's the thing people say, oh,

555
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,360
you look nice, thanks. 
So do. 

556
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,240
You. 
I know, I just really don't. 

557
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,440
Give Kim an inch and she'll swim
all over you. 

558
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,720
Also the number of times she 
says God I need a drink. 

559
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,200
I think she's hinting at Strike 
to try and get her one. 

560
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,600
Kind of acting like it's a date 
and it just feels really 

561
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,320
embarrassing her. 
Mention of Fair and Navabi 

562
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,240
getting in touch is an important
bit though. 

563
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,960
Fair is described as good 
looking but incompetent, and 

564
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,840
honestly I think that's going to
be the theme of the Pi team she 

565
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,000
ends up assembling. 
Maybe Morris can join. 

566
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,800
Murphy would be the perfect fit.
You know, once he gets fired 

567
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,120
from the MET. 
Put it on the predictions dock. 

568
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,080
But really, who genuinely 
believes that? 

569
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,520
Kim fobbed fair off and told 
because she was happy where she 

570
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:14,840
was. 
Because I don't believe it. 

571
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,240
Yeah, I know. 
I agree with you. 

572
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,120
Yeah, she's not the kind of 
person who closes down options 

573
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,800
like that. 
I could believe she waffled. 

574
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,080
Keeping fair on the hook is kind
of a back up plan. 

575
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,160
Yeah, I think she was saying 
that to strike, to kind of imply

576
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,640
that I like you, I like being 
here with you. 

577
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,800
Yeah. 
Yeah, but in reality, of course,

578
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,920
keeping her options open. 
Also notice how Strike notices a

579
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:43,000
mole on her back and I think 
it's the sign she's going to 

580
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,920
flip and take all that info to 
Branfoot and Ferret later. 

581
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,960
On OK, yeah. 
I guess she's not actually a 

582
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,160
mole because I think she does 
that after she leaves, but it's 

583
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,760
close enough. 
Yeah, if it's, I like that. 

584
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,280
Well, it could be that she's the
star sign. 

585
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,080
What star sign is it that has a 
prominent mole? 

586
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,040
Yeah, from the true Scorpio 
under Schmidt Scorpio. 

587
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,560
I have no idea what it means 
though. 

588
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,560
I don't know, looking through on
the Internet looking at Scorpio 

589
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,640
traits it doesn't seem that far.
Off My little sister's a 

590
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:13,800
Scorpio. 
She's a menace. 

591
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,520
Strike said earlier in the book 
that she was good at taking a 

592
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:19,600
hint. 
Kim. 

593
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,240
I think that's a skill that 
vanishes here because quickly 

594
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,080
she's going on and on about her 
ex. 

595
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,320
I think what she's doing is 
making it known to Strike that 

596
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,000
she's single, but Strike doesn't
want to hear any of it. 

597
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:34,280
But she she's taking 0 hints. 
100% regression, just oblivious 

598
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,840
as hell. 
Strike was not kidding when he 

599
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,440
thinks later that her version of
seduction is amateurish in 

600
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,600
comparison to Charlotte. 
'S she's not. 

601
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,840
Embarrassing not not subtle at 
all. 

602
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,960
Kim makes it really clear that 
she has a thing for married men,

603
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,080
and I think that might explain 
why she's so interested in 

604
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,640
Strike because. 
I see where you're going. 

605
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:55,520
You know, you see where I'm 
going with this? 

606
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,120
He is fully married to Robin 
emotionally. 

607
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,400
It hasn't been confirmed legally
or consummated or like agreed 

608
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,200
upon between them, but the 
marriage exists. 

609
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,880
That's his wife and I think Kim 
can sense it. 

610
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,800
It's like chum in the water to 
her. 

611
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,960
She feels superior to other 
women when she steals their men 

612
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,600
because really, she's full of 
insecurity herself. 

613
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,400
What a contrast to Robin she is 
though, because she's laughing 

614
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,600
about how she left her boyfriend
because he lost his job and was 

615
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,680
Moby about it. 
Meanwhile, Robin later in this 

616
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,320
book is agonizing over how she 
can't leave Murphy when he's at 

617
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,160
a low point because it would be 
cruel. 

618
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,640
Not that I think Robin should 
stay with Murphy. 

619
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,880
Right. 
But it just highlights that 

620
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,600
Robin is actually a really kind 
person, even to her own 

621
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,680
detriment sometimes. 
And we all know that Strike 

622
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,800
loves how kind she is because he
noticed that she was a very nice

623
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,760
person straight away in book 1 
and told her so many, many 

624
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,280
times. 
He clocks it immediately, and he

625
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,240
mentioned it in chapter 64 of 
Running Grave when he's talking 

626
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,560
to Charlotte. 
You know she's not a St., but 

627
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,280
she's a good person. 
She's a good person. 

628
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,520
I've been wondering whether him 
saying that he thinks she's a 

629
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,200
good person. 
We'll make a comeback in the 

630
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,160
next two books because I think 
it would be really sweet like 

631
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,480
especially post Murphy breakup 
if she's like. 

632
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,440
Might be a little doubt on 
herself, yeah. 

633
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,720
Yeah, I'm like, can you? 
Say you're a good person. 

634
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,640
You're a good person, like it's 
OK. 

635
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,920
It's sober. 
Well, he's gonna say like what 

636
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,280
she said about you can't beat 
yourself up. 

637
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,400
Yeah, yeah. 
You know the. 

638
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,120
Choices you made like 6 months 
ago, yeah. 

639
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,920
When you knew better but didn't.
Yeah, now you do, and now you 

640
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,840
just marry me and everything 
will be OK. 

641
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,440
Literally, though, that's the 
answer. 

642
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,000
Literally, yeah. 
Also Kim when she asks Strike 

643
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,240
who is her boss if he would 
sleep with this woman in the 

644
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,360
room who's had a lot of plastic 
surgery. 

645
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,920
I'm just thinking how do you 
talk to your boss like that? 

646
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,760
Your boss have only what is it 
like 5-6 weeks? 

647
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,640
Yeah, no kidding. 
It's outrageous. 

648
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,520
It's awkward to me for AS. 
Much as Midge doesn't like Kim, 

649
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,640
they both seem to have gone to 
the same school of talking about

650
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,440
inappropriate shit with your 
boss. 

651
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,280
Luckily. 
Midge doesn't want to sleep with

652
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,400
him, though. 
Yeah, it's just just being 

653
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,800
midge, you know? 
I'm conflicted about the ending 

654
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,480
of the chapter because as much 
as I don't like Kim, Nina 

655
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,240
annoyed me so much that I kind 
of liked Kim's response to her 

656
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,360
about Strike being good and 
taking him off to leave right in

657
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,880
front of her. 
Like it was just the right 

658
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,800
amount of petty for me to really
enjoy it that. 

659
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,520
Was really petty. 
But Nina deserved it. 

660
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,600
I liked it. 
It's the one good thing Kim did 

661
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,560
in this whole book. 
Like Robin would never have 

662
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:41,240
never have done that. 
And it just I, I really liked 

663
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,360
just Nina just oh, just like 
kind of put the salt in the 

664
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:46,720
womb. 
I just sorry. 

665
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,160
I really lucky that Robin was 
not at that ball after. 

666
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,240
All Oh my God. 
Really lucky shouldn't run into 

667
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,160
Nina. 
The way Nina said, how she knew 

668
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,840
him, like come on. 
Yeah, that would have been bad. 

669
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,840
Really for the best. 
Anyway, the whole reason they're

670
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:09,040
there is the Mr. A case and this
is where Kim gets pictures of 

671
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,880
her and Culpeppers wife and the 
case ends. 

672
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,400
Yeah, and. 
I had completely forgotten that 

673
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,280
these two are the ones that 
we're kissing. 

674
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,080
I had been so that detail just 
completely. 

675
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:24,639
I think I'd forgotten about it. 
Maybe they'll end up really 

676
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:27,159
happy together. 
Somehow I don't think. 

677
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,880
Yeah. 
All right, so there's one shippy

678
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:35,480
bit in here, and it's during 
Kim's One woman show, right? 

679
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,239
Strikes. 
His thoughts are drifting to 

680
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,719
Robin, which is sweet in itself.
I love it. 

681
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,679
I love it that he's just sitting
there thinking of Robin. 

682
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:45,199
Well, Kim is like yapping. 
I love the way that Joe 

683
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:47,600
incorporates the song Have 
Yourself a Merry Little 

684
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,360
Christmas. 
It works so well because the 

685
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,199
line. 
Someday soon we all will be 

686
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:54,719
together, if the fates allow. 
And that's playing as he's 

687
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,240
thinking of Robin, and it's very
sweet. 

688
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,680
I love how she uses music in 
this book. 

689
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:02,280
But yeah, I was just thinking, 
you know, you could spoof that 

690
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,880
and make it, you know, someday 
soon these two will be together 

691
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:13,240
if Joanne allows. 
That's good. 

692
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,760
Other notable things in this 
chapter we get Barkley on the 

693
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,560
phone doing some trespassing. 
Love it. 

694
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:24,080
Evening activity he says he can 
hear guard dogs, which is 

695
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,760
definitely a hint to what plugs 
doing because the dogs aren't 

696
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,320
guarding the thing the dogs are 
the thing they. 

697
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:30,640
Are they are? 
Yeah. 

698
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,680
Honestly I love this bit with 
Barkley just because of the 

699
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,760
banter. 
It's like I'll change out of my 

700
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,600
sausage trousers. 
You know, and here I was 

701
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,360
thinking that Berkeley was just 
wearing really tight pants. 

702
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,880
I thought it might have been a 
joke. 

703
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,800
Yeah, I thought it might have 
been a joke. 

704
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,760
Yeah, I thought that he was 
joking that he'd be able to, 

705
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,280
like, run better because he 
wouldn't be in tight pants. 

706
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:54,600
Oh. 
My God, I. 

707
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,720
Just totally did not get it at 
all. 

708
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:01,480
Thank you, Ken. 
They're on the same page. 

709
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:06,040
One final plot bit here, Strike 
reads a bit of the conversation 

710
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,840
on the Truth About Freemasons 
website and I think the Austin 

711
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,880
nature is actually Tyler right 
because he asks is it true that 

712
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,920
Freemasons protect each other? 
We know Tyler was thinking about

713
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,640
joining to get protection from 
Griffs. 

714
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,760
Yeah, that's really sad. 
Yeah. 

715
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:22,520
That. 
Is that's really sad. 

716
00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:26,640
Anyway, chapter 17. 
In chapter 17, Berkeley is 

717
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,400
arrested and Midge asks Robin 
about Strike and Kim. 

718
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,160
The epigraph yay. 
And not only have we not 

719
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,440
explored that wide and various 
world, the heart of others, but 

720
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,640
even our own heart, that narrow 
world bounded in our own breast.

721
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,080
We hardly know of our own 
actions dimly trace the causes, 

722
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,760
whether a natural obscurness 
hiding that region in perpetual 

723
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:56,240
cloud, or our your own want of 
effort be the bar God that's. 

724
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:01,640
A long like that's that's. 
That's Murrow Bay tragedy by 

725
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,520
Matthew Arnold. 
It was almost a tragedy reading 

726
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,040
that. 
It was a lot of commas. 

727
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,040
To be fair. 
To me, this is 100% about Robin 

728
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:15,480
being unable or unwilling to see
what's inside her own heart. 

729
00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:20,640
She is actively refusing to be 
self aware enough to understand 

730
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,000
where her feelings are coming 
from or why she's moving forward

731
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,040
with Murphy even though she 
doesn't want to. 

732
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,160
It's not even a want of effort 
so much as an active anti effort

733
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,200
of self gaslighting here. 
She's not exploring that in our 

734
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,240
world in her own heart. 
She's blocking it off and 

735
00:37:35,240 --> 00:37:36,960
pretending it kind of doesn't 
doesn't exist. 

736
00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:40,560
Yeah, we have not explored the 
wide various worlds, even our 

737
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,280
own heart. 
We hardly know. 

738
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,000
We only dimly understand our own
actions and what we're doing. 

739
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,400
Oh. 
My gosh. 

740
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:48,600
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

741
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,720
So the chapter opens with Strike
calling Robin with news Barclay 

742
00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:55,040
was arrested for climbing on the
roof where all the dogs are 

743
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,400
being held for the plug case. 
I was with Robin here. 

744
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,240
Had to laugh that he is 
pretending to be drunk. 

745
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,120
I bet he was very convincing. 
I'd have loved. 

746
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,120
To see it, I think I'm the crazy
one here because I just wanted 

747
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:08,640
to be like, when did the police 
just understand? 

748
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,400
Like where I'm investigating? 
I'm just. 

749
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,680
Busy. 
Like I'm working here, I guess. 

750
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:21,320
Yeah, trespassing is OK, sure. 
I don't think they're allowed to

751
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,600
do illegal stuff like 
trespassing or bugging offices 

752
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,840
or picking locks, but you know, 
I think we all know it's all fun

753
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,080
as long as they don't get 
caught. 

754
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,400
I just feel like they should be 
allowed to. 

755
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:32,760
They should. 
Be allowed because they have 

756
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,080
good reasons. 
Yeah, right. 

757
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,400
We can vouch for them so they 
can do what they want because 

758
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,840
they have a permit. 
It says I can do whatever I 

759
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,120
want. 
The other news is that Kim 

760
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,560
cracked the Mr. A case. 
I love that Robin isn't happy 

761
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,720
that she has to pretend to be 
happy for Kim. 

762
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,760
What does Kim even have to be 
smug about? 

763
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,000
Literally anyone could have 
gotten a picture of them making 

764
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,320
out in the washroom. 
They should have done it. 

765
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,200
And managed to be better company
for strike. 

766
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,400
Maybe. 
Although God knows what she 

767
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,440
would have told Robin about. 
No, God, no. 

768
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,680
No, it's better as well. 
It's. 

769
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,160
Much better. 
Yeah, she definitely would have.

770
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,080
I'm just annoyed thinking about 
it but. 

771
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:15,840
What she would have said to 
Robin. 

772
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:19,880
My God, why can't she just mind 
her fist in it? 

773
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:26,560
Oh my God, it strikes me nuts. 
OK, I think of being driven 

774
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,200
nuts. 
Let's get to this lunch that 

775
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,640
Robin has with Murphy. 
Oh, do we have to? 

776
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:36,000
We do, we do, so it's a 
seemingly happy moment between 

777
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,640
the two of them. 
It's almost more painful for me 

778
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,760
than just them having conflict 
because it's frustrating. 

779
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:47,440
They're having lunch at Prospect
of Whitby, and the book explains

780
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,600
that this is the oldest pub 
along the Thames. 

781
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,240
I looked it up and this place 
has a reputation. 

782
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:55,480
It used to be called the Pelican
and then later it was known as 

783
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,000
the Devil's Tavern because of 
its dangerous clientele. 

784
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:03,240
It was a notorious spot for 
smugglers, felons and pirates, 

785
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,360
and apparently there were even 
hangings here. 

786
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,480
Dangerous clientele. 
Murphy is dangerous to my 

787
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,880
emotional and mental stability, 
so I'd say he fits in. 

788
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:16,040
OK, yeah. 
And the decor is nautical but 

789
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,280
it's kind of like a piratey vibe
with skulls and stuff, which I 

790
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,840
would like I feel like. 
I feel like Robin and Strike 

791
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,320
should have eaten here because 
he loves an article theme. 

792
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,880
She could tease him about being 
a pirate and get a parrot. 

793
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,400
He already has the peg. 
Like I know she wouldn't tease 

794
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,920
him about that, but I I could. 
He would. 

795
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,880
I have to assume that when Joe 
was writing it, she picked this 

796
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:40,360
pub intentionally because Robin 
is having what she thinks is a 

797
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,560
good and peaceful day with 
Murphy because there isn't 

798
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,520
conflict happening. 
But they're literally at a place

799
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,400
that has a reputation for 
danger. 

800
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,120
And with the nautical theming, 
it reminds me of the place that 

801
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,560
she lived with Matthew, you 
know, with those nautical 

802
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,440
connections. 
And we've been recently reminded

803
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,680
of that place. 
But, yeah, I think that this is 

804
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,000
the bigger problem for Robin, 
too, right? 

805
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,520
She is viewing this peaceful day
as happy long when neither of 

806
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,760
them are stressed. 
But all that means is that they 

807
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,480
can get along well when they 
don't have to talk about the 

808
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,320
things that they should be 
talking about. 

809
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,840
And that's not a good thing 
because she is equating avoiding

810
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:22,440
conflict as being peaceful. 
And they aren't always the same 

811
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,160
thing. 
It says nobody was talking about

812
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,920
eggs or they're freezing. 
Neither of them mentioned 

813
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,280
Cormoran Strike. 
And those are literally the two 

814
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,280
things that they should be 
talking about the most. 

815
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,880
I think that if a good day with.
Murphy is only good because no 

816
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,160
one brings up your best friend 
and business partner. 

817
00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:42,400
That's just not sustainable or 
like your future. 

818
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,280
Yeah. 
It's just not going to. 

819
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,560
Ever. 
Work if this is the reason why 

820
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,800
it's a good day because he's 
your best friend and business 

821
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,880
partner. 
He's the main man in your life. 

822
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,240
I kind of like how that connects
with this. 

823
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,160
Back story, this history of the 
pub being like a place of a 

824
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:01,200
dangerous reputation, right? 
It might look nice and cool, but

825
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,320
it's bringing up memories of the
past with Matthew and a place of

826
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,080
danger. 
And she's always kind of in a 

827
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,880
place of danger with Murphy, I 
guess. 

828
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,080
Not like. 
Actual from him, but you. 

829
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:14,760
Know what I mean? 
And this is bringing me back to 

830
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,160
trouble. 
Blood in the tarot cards, Robin 

831
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,280
thinks in that book, peace isn't
the problem. 

832
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,800
Peace is good, but This is why 
peace is the problem. 

833
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,360
I think that literally we're 
seeing that three books later, 

834
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,800
like this is what's amazing 
about Joseph's body. 

835
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,120
Three books later, we're seeing 
why peace is the problem because

836
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:37,240
her current definition of peace 
is ignoring problems, and that's

837
00:42:37,240 --> 00:42:39,040
not real peace. 
I don't know. 

838
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,240
It's made me really excited 
about the tarot cards and 

839
00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:43,600
connecting it to her. 
Now, just last week, I saw a 

840
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,560
video on Instagram and it really
struck me and it stayed with me 

841
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,440
because it was a woman talking 
about how she doesn't buy into 

842
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,040
the whole protecting your peace 
thing. 

843
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,120
She said that it's just a way to
check out of real life and avoid

844
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:56,840
conflicts that you might need to
have. 

845
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,280
She said that if anything, it 
actually makes you weaker and 

846
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,480
less peaceful because your 
ability to problem solve and 

847
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:07,280
deal with stressful situations 
becomes weaker and ultimately it

848
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,680
makes you more afraid. 
And I just thought that that was

849
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:14,920
genius, and it explains how I 
feel in a lot of situations, how

850
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,360
I think of conflict. 
So I just thought it was really 

851
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,600
appropriate for this seemingly 
peaceful moment with Robin and 

852
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,120
Murphy. 
That's interesting. 

853
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,520
Conflict being a. 
Muscle you have to workout or 

854
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,360
else you lose the ability to 
have it. 

855
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,360
I also just still think it's 
absolutely. 

856
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,160
Crazy that these two are 
agreeing to look at houses 

857
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,840
together when they have not had 
a more serious talk about having

858
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,320
kids because why would you want 
to become financially 

859
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,480
intertwined and bound with a 
person and you both know that 

860
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,400
you might want different things.
I mean it's just I can't 

861
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,960
understand what the point is. 
It's absolutely nuts, like. 

862
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,800
It's nuts. 
Murphy makes a bit of sense to 

863
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,400
me. 
He wants to be tied to Robin. 

864
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,040
He assumes they're on the same 
page. 

865
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,520
You know, wrongly. 
But I can follow his thought 

866
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,480
process is why he thinks this is
a good idea. 

867
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:05,280
But Robin is Yeah, 11. 
Would think she'd. 

868
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,440
Be more. 
Cautious because of how annoying

869
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,160
Matthew was about splitting the 
money from that house in the 

870
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:15,720
divorce like right She'd that 
was it was very annoying if for 

871
00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:19,160
no other reason, but the guilt 
is tugging her along with Murphy

872
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:20,640
and I. 
I think she just doesn't have 

873
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,880
the emotional capacity to to 
slam on the brakes, I guess. 

874
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,560
But it's just like. 
Making it worse, I have a 

875
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:28,920
question. 
Is it? 

876
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:33,720
Normal for people who are dating
but not married to buy houses 

877
00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:36,480
together rather than renting? 
I wouldn't ever. 

878
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,720
That's a good question. 
Not ever. 

879
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:40,160
I don't know if. 
That's that. 

880
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,960
If that's just me. 
Being old fashioned or if it's 

881
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,360
just because I've not been on 
the dating scene in a while, but

882
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,400
like, I can't imagine buying a 
house with somebody you're not 

883
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,040
married to. 
It's a terrible idea financially

884
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,960
for a woman. 
It is very strange I think. 

885
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:58,600
That maybe it's a plot thing 
because renting a house might 

886
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,160
not be. 
It's not as permanent, yeah. 

887
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,800
Yeah, maybe their laws are 
different in the UK and. 

888
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,640
People who buy houses together 
have some kind of maybe. 

889
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:08,920
Yeah, I do. 
I'm. 

890
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,320
Curious is this? 
More of a thing we know that 

891
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,760
Matthew and Robin. 
Rented why couldn't they have 

892
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,120
suggested renting living 
together is still a pretty. 

893
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,600
Big change even without deciding
to like go all in and get a 

894
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,400
mortgage on a house. 
I guess it's hard to go. 

895
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,160
They both own. 
Their their apartments, right? 

896
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:32,080
So I guess it'd be different to 
go from owning to renting. 

897
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,440
Yeah, I don't know. 
That is a good. 

898
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,320
That is a very good. 
Question though, Ken, And I 

899
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,440
guess for people who are like 
actually? 

900
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:42,200
Committed to each other and just
they're also is that. 

901
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,280
You know, that might make it 
might feel. 

902
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,400
More rational. 
I just think that this is where.

903
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:52,200
Robin is kind of misplacing that
accusation of wanting to be 

904
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,880
bound to her on to strike 
because I think that that's more

905
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,320
what Murphy's doing with wanting
to buy a house with her. 

906
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,760
And, you know, I'm maintaining 
my opinion that I don't think it

907
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,560
makes him evil. 
I just think it means that he is

908
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:09,080
also making serious mistakes in 
this relationship. 

909
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,200
I don't think they bring out the
best in each. 

910
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,000
Other. 
I think he's probably not the 

911
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,880
worst person in these books. 
No. 

912
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:16,720
The alcohol. 
Really. 

913
00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:19,400
Shifts his personality for the 
worst. 

914
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:23,280
When he's drinking it's it's not
good, which is typical for 

915
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,520
addicts and Alcoholics. 
If he committed to getting sober

916
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,440
again and did like some active 
introspection and self work, 

917
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,560
he'd probably make a fine enough
partner to someone else out 

918
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,960
there who wanted what he had and
what he wanted. 

919
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,720
Just not to Robin and not to 
anyone. 

920
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,760
When he's actively drinking. 
I think that we know who he 

921
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,360
needs to be. 
With and her name is Susan Susan

922
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,080
Iverson. 
Iverson. 

923
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:48,520
Oh, is that her first? 
Name. 

924
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,320
Yes, Susan. 
Did not. 

925
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,560
Register that. 
But yeah, not to anyone while 

926
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,920
he's actively drinking. 
Maybe he will not be a good 

927
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:56,960
partner. 
I agree. 

928
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,520
And he's also just. 
He's just. 

929
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,480
Not a very good. 
Detective and I'll die on that 

930
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,320
hill, but with good taste in 
maps. 

931
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,160
Oh wow, good taste in maps. 
I like him. 

932
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,400
A classic map, what can I say? 
It's making me think of Strike 

933
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,440
getting out. 
His maps, like he refuses to use

934
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,280
GPS. 
Yeah, yeah, he dropped that 

935
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,200
little thing. 
Yeah, he sure did. 

936
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:17,760
He got with. 
He got with the program. 

937
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,960
On that one. 
Got with the times he learned to

938
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,440
use. 
Twitter and he was on there. 

939
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,200
He even went on Tumblr. 
Oh yeah. 

940
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:27,560
Reddit. 
Oh my goodness, who? 

941
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,960
Is he so? 
Speaking of Murphy in this 

942
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,480
context. 
Yeah, we had so many responses 

943
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,560
to our discussion about the egg 
freezing in Chapter 9. 

944
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,640
Really. 
Yeah, I'm not surprised that 

945
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:42,400
most people are with you cans on
this because I mean, we hate 

946
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,240
Murphy in his existence, I get 
it. 

947
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,480
But I'm not swayed from my 
opinion that Murphy assuming 

948
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,520
Robbins wants kids, it's kind of
kind of on her. 

949
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,520
I went back and looked. 
So in chapter 1 of The Running 

950
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,520
Grave, Elsa tells Robin that 
Murphy had just been telling her

951
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,640
that he wanted kids. 
He told Elsa, but not Robin. 

952
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,440
Plato. 
I don't think that it's implied 

953
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,360
that he never tells. 
Robin, he's just also telling 

954
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,840
Elsa, because also in the 
running grave after she leaves 

955
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,480
Chapman Farm, she's Robin's 
talking to Linda, and she's 

956
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,760
Linda's talking about how he's 
been so good keeping them 

957
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:16,240
updated. 
Right? 

958
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:19,040
Do you think he liked children? 
No idea, lied Robin. 

959
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,200
Ryan had, in fact, made it 
perfectly clear he'd like 

960
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,360
children. 
So yeah, he's just telling Elsa,

961
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,960
too, as like a way to win Elsa 
over, I think. 

962
00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:31,080
I don't think it really worked. 
Well, no, of course. 

963
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:35,000
Of course, he's fighting a 
losing battle on that front. 

964
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,120
I know, but he doesn't know. 
That no. 

965
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:42,760
So, yeah, I think that in my 
opinion, Murphy making it clear 

966
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:47,040
that he wants what he wants for 
over a year and Robin kind of 

967
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,600
never saying, hey, this might be
an issue, I think that's lying 

968
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,000
by omission. 
It gives the impression that she

969
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,080
also wants it. 
So yeah, I can't be mad at that.

970
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,320
Yeah, I think Robin definitely 
carries. 

971
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,080
Some responsibility and Ryan as 
well. 

972
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,240
I think it's the two of them 
together is the problem. 

973
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,720
They don't fit and I don't. 
They don't communicate that well

974
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:09,960
to each other. 
It's hard to communicate with 

975
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:11,000
someone who doesn't want to 
talk. 

976
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:17,480
To you about those things, Yeah.
Well, yeah, I mean it is I think

977
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,800
my overall view on. 
Murphy is influenced by how I'm 

978
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,480
guessing the narrative is going 
and just like we were talking 

979
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,520
about a couple episodes ago 
where the narrative is going to 

980
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,800
have Robin ending their 
relationship rather than Murphy 

981
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,520
for her own growth. 
I also think that that means 

982
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:38,040
that Murphy won't be or can't be
a super villain. 

983
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:42,480
I think he's a human with flaws 
and I hate him out of pure 

984
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,840
loyalty because he exists, which
is totally normal, but not 

985
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,200
because I think he's going to be
a super bad guy, because that 

986
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:53,120
doesn't reflect what I think is 
going to happen with Robin. 

987
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,720
Yeah, I don't think he's a black
and white villain. 

988
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,440
Most of Joe's characters aren't.
They all have for the villains 

989
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:01,280
well. 
Except for the villains and 

990
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:02,960
maybe. 
Charlotte I. 

991
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,400
Even she got some humanization. 
In this one, I think, but oh, 

992
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,720
you guys are just nice for. 
Yeah, I do think that this arc. 

993
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,400
Must really be headed towards 
Robin breaking up with him 

994
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,680
because she recognizes he's not 
what she wants. 

995
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:17,440
I just think he also might have 
an epic crash out after that 

996
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,560
happens because I just feel like
we've been getting a lot of 

997
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,720
clues about his drinking and his
temper for a reason and I just 

998
00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:25,440
feel like it's heading towards 
an implosion. 

999
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:27,680
I would love a crash out because
it's. 

1000
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:31,840
Fun, but I'm on the fence 
because we can talk about it 

1001
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,480
more when we get to one of those
parts with his temper. 

1002
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:39,320
But there are differences 
between a temper in an active 

1003
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:43,800
alcoholic and what we see when 
someone is a mean drunk and how 

1004
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:47,560
that reflects their personality.
So it's very common for active 

1005
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:51,840
addicts to have these outbursts 
of anger that's cruel and 

1006
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,760
aggressive that's not actually 
them. 

1007
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,160
So I think that his anger 
outbursts are a clue to his 

1008
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,800
drinking, but that it doesn't 
necessarily mean that he's 

1009
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,040
hiding this angry, abusive side 
of him for over a year. 

1010
00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:07,360
Because how does one do that? 
Men do that all the time. 

1011
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,520
Abusive. 
Men do that all the time. 

1012
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:13,760
They hide themselves and reveal 
the abuse, become abusive when 

1013
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,800
they have the woman locked down 
and it's usually around this 

1014
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,080
time. 
Yeah, I think that if that was 

1015
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,680
the case. 
We would see it in other places.

1016
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,080
Yeah. 
Well, I think that we would. 

1017
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,240
For sure, because. 
This is a book. 

1018
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,520
We'll have to find out. 
You make a good point. 

1019
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:33,080
About what his temper is 
specifically shows itself as 

1020
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,360
because it's always in reaction 
to the suggestion that he's 

1021
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,000
drinking. 
It's always defensive in that 

1022
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,000
way. 
It might be a cynical view, I 

1023
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,240
don't know. 
But I think that JK Rowling is 

1024
00:51:41,240 --> 00:51:43,960
very good at knowing what will 
keep people talking. 

1025
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,080
Think about how many years 
people debated over whether or 

1026
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,920
not Snape was good or bad. 
And actually, I mean, we're 

1027
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,840
still arguing about that. 
Deathly Hallows came out 18 

1028
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,520
years ago. 
I think she's writing Murphy in 

1029
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,240
a way that makes different 
people think different things. 

1030
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,520
But yeah, I just really think 
Robin needs to end it because 

1031
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,960
she doesn't love him. 
I think that Joe's very good at 

1032
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,160
what she does and what she's 
doing with Murphy as a 

1033
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,760
character. 
Well, we can all agree on that. 

1034
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:10,240
I. 
Mean I feel like everything that

1035
00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:12,600
I've said so far. 
It would just be a retread. 

1036
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:16,360
I have noticed people, I will 
say this, that have noticed, who

1037
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:21,000
have been survivors of things 
like coercive control, who have 

1038
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,600
looked at this book and have 
said, my spouse behaved like 

1039
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,880
this. 
So I think that there is room to

1040
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,520
interpret some of the things 
that he has said and done in 

1041
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,280
this book that are not just the 
parts where he's showing his 

1042
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,160
temper. 
I don't think that it would be 

1043
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:39,240
entirely unreasonable for Joe 
to, to do a long term character 

1044
00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:43,520
study of how that kind of thing 
escalates over time, like a frog

1045
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:47,640
in a pot sort of situation. 
But I, I see what you're saying.

1046
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,760
I, I think that what you're 
saying is still valid. 

1047
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,040
I just, I think that it's like 
what you're saying. 

1048
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,640
She writes it in such a way that
depending on what your 

1049
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,960
perspective is and depending on 
where you're coming at from it 

1050
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,320
in life and what you've been 
through and everything, that's 

1051
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,640
going to inform how you see 
different things that happen in 

1052
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,960
this book. 
But I'm excited to see how it 

1053
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,640
pans. 
I just don't see any situation. 

1054
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:13,320
Where she can have him be 
another abusive bad man. 

1055
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:17,320
It doesn't make sense for Robin.
She can leave before it gets, 

1056
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,040
especially with. 
Only two books left. 

1057
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,440
I'd be interested to know what 
you're. 

1058
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:27,280
Talking about about what people 
have said because the I just, I 

1059
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,520
don't know what he's doing 
that's so bad besides like the 

1060
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,040
drinking. 
Well, we can always save that 

1061
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,120
discussion. 
For later, I feel like that's 

1062
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,640
something that we should 
probably like hash out. 

1063
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,000
This might be a good time to 
also talk about. 

1064
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:44,000
A comment we got that I thought 
was really interesting about 

1065
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,840
this whole discussion because we
were talking about Robin lying 

1066
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,360
and how that wasn't her. 
This question was left on 

1067
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:55,480
Spotify from, I'm not sure if 
it's Rick or Ricky, but they 

1068
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:57,720
said, what makes you think 
Robin's generally A truthful 

1069
00:53:57,720 --> 00:53:59,680
person? 
I know she craves to be this 

1070
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,800
person, but she's not acting 
this way, not with Matthew, not 

1071
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,240
with Murphy, not with her mom, 
sometimes not even with Strike. 

1072
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,520
And I liked this question 
because it occurred to me as I 

1073
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,760
was editing, I think that the 
answer is because the narrative 

1074
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,000
tells us that she's a truthful 
person. 

1075
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,040
There's something early in 
Trouble Blood about her truthful

1076
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:22,840
nature that made her also take 
responsibility in her divorce. 

1077
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,720
I remember reading that and just
like smacking my forehead like 

1078
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,520
oh why? 
But at the same time it is kind 

1079
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,000
of true. 
She just didn't fully admit the 

1080
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,160
full truth. 
Are there other mentions? 

1081
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,200
There's a couple in Silkworm, it
says. 

1082
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,880
Robin was a truthful person, and
never in the nine years they had

1083
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:41,200
been together had she lied to 
Matthew or not until recently. 

1084
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,080
And then another one with 
Strike. 

1085
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,840
They ate in disgruntled silence 
for a minute or two until 

1086
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,920
Robin's innate honesty 
reasserted itself. 

1087
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:51,920
Yeah, that's my favorite 
chapter. 

1088
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,320
Yeah, so we're told. 
I totally hear what they're 

1089
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,360
saying though, because she 
hasn't been that. 

1090
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:02,720
We haven't seen it actually in 
in a while when it comes to like

1091
00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:04,600
the deeply personal stuff with 
her. 

1092
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,320
But I think that we'll find a 
way back to that when she can 

1093
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,680
reconcile her work in her heart,
when she doesn't have to lie to 

1094
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,800
herself and stops being afraid 
of the truth. 

1095
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:18,560
I think that her dishonesty that
we see in her is more of a 

1096
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:22,720
result of her personal troubles 
rather than, you know, a person 

1097
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:24,400
who's a liar. 
They're going to create their 

1098
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:25,440
troubles. 
Yeah. 

1099
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,640
She feels backed into a corner. 
Sometimes she feels like she has

1100
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:33,000
to lie to keep people happy 
because they won't like what she

1101
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,600
has to say. 
So she's she's trying to keep 

1102
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:36,480
that peace. 
Yeah. 

1103
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,000
And she's not like, for example,
of Charlotte, who lied just for 

1104
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,920
the sake of lying. 
It's different situations. 

1105
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,280
It also reminds me of the. 
Way that Joe talked about 

1106
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,920
Dumbledore once in an interview,
she was talking about his 

1107
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,640
relationship with Grindelwald, 
and she said that the 

1108
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,880
interesting thing is that 
Dumbledore, who had been a 

1109
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:01,400
champion and great defender of 
love, love, had also been made a

1110
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,160
fool of by love. 
I think I've talked about that 

1111
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,200
quote before because I just 
always really liked it. 

1112
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:07,960
Dumbledore getting burned by 
love. 

1113
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,920
But instead of it making him 
cynical, it just made him even 

1114
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,720
more committed to its power. 
Yeah, I think that that's true 

1115
00:56:13,720 --> 00:56:15,600
with Robin and. 
Truth, right? 

1116
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:17,720
We know that Robin's a pursuer 
of truth. 

1117
00:56:17,720 --> 00:56:19,800
She's a defender and a champion 
of truth. 

1118
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:23,640
But like Dumbledore, she's also 
being made a fool of by truth 

1119
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,080
because she's so afraid of it in
her personal life. 

1120
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,560
Yeah, but luckily I we know that
Robin's going to have a happier 

1121
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,560
romantic ending than Dumbledore 
did. 

1122
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:33,840
Oh, yes? 
Are you sure that Robin's not 

1123
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:35,920
going to die? 
Tragically, and leave Strike to 

1124
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,080
carry the guilt for the rest of 
his days. 

1125
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:42,800
Yes, we're sure. 
Absolutely, 100% positive. 

1126
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:47,200
Yes, we are 100% positive. 
I'm very friction. 

1127
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:48,840
I will very confidently. 
Make. 

1128
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,040
But Speaking of dishonesty and 
Robin. 

1129
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:54,400
Though this portion of the 
chapter with Murphy ends with a 

1130
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:58,520
hurtful lie and a cringy lie, 
It's a lie that Murphy might not

1131
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:03,040
ever know was a lie. 
But Robin's smiling about a text

1132
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,560
from Strike that Berkeley wasn't
going to be charged. 

1133
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:09,560
And when Murphy asked why she's 
smiling, Robin says I'm with 

1134
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:13,680
you, the load of her. 
She's going to this part. 

1135
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,840
Cringed Maggie cringed me out. 
Yeah, she is going to buckle. 

1136
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:21,160
Under the weight of all those 
lies and it's going to suck so 

1137
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:24,120
bad for her. 
But I can't wait to read it. 

1138
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,840
As terrible as it sounds, that 
was a really bad one. 

1139
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,240
Because she doesn't have to do 
it. 

1140
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:31,920
No, you know, she literally 
could have been like, oh, 

1141
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:33,880
Barclays not going to be. 
Well, she's not going to tell 

1142
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,080
him that, obviously, because 
he's a police officer. 

1143
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:39,200
It would annoy him in the same 
exact way that she's not going 

1144
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,560
to tell Matthew about work 
because it would annoy him. 

1145
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:43,840
It's the same thing. 
But I don't know. 

1146
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:47,120
She didn't have to dig her heels
in with Murphy. 

1147
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:48,920
I don't know. 
She doesn't have to double, 

1148
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,720
triple down. 
Yeah, she's tripling down and 

1149
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:52,720
she doesn't. 
Mean it. 

1150
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:57,720
Oh God, it's just the worst. 
Anyway, let's go to Midge's call

1151
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:01,200
and Robin's worries. 
Oh God, Robin has. 

1152
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,960
Just had. 
What she classifieds as a happy 

1153
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,640
and peaceful lunch with Murphy. 
But she spends the rest of the 

1154
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:10,800
chapter worrying about what 
Midge said to her on the phone 

1155
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:14,760
about striking Kim. 
Honestly, it's like, so funny. 

1156
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,440
And she's like, oh, look, I can 
be happy and peaceful and I 

1157
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,880
really like him. 
Let me spend the rest of the 

1158
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:23,520
time worrying. 
Yeah, Mitch is kind of a mess 

1159
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:25,160
here. 
I mean, it's understandable 

1160
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,480
she's going through a breakup, 
but I do think it's a little 

1161
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:31,360
unfair the way she and Dev put 
their worries about Strike on to

1162
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,920
Robin. 
They should both go talk to him.

1163
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,760
It's not fair to Robin. 
She's got enough going on. 

1164
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,920
It's like when kids go to one 
parent over the other to ask for

1165
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:44,160
food or something. 
Go go ask the other one. 

1166
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,480
To be fair, they may think that.
If Strike is doing something 

1167
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,320
idiotic that's going to mess up 
the agency, Robin should be 

1168
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,080
given a heads up about it. 
But they were judging him too 

1169
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,320
harshly. 
It wasn't actually a problem. 

1170
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:59,280
No, and they can talk to him. 
Too Father's major might be a 

1171
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,400
bit hesitant about. 
Trying to pry into Strike's 

1172
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,200
personal life to him, worried he
might not react well. 

1173
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,120
Although actually I think it 
would have gone better than she 

1174
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,480
might have thought in this one, 
and it's never really stopped 

1175
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,240
her before. 
No, no. 

1176
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:13,520
She's not. 
If you were admit she would not 

1177
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,280
be hesitant at now she she 
chooses the time. 

1178
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:20,720
Now to have discretion also she 
can phrase it in a way like hey.

1179
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:24,880
Kim seems to be really into you.
Yeah, Kim is, and she's bad. 

1180
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:27,000
News. 
Yeah, I've had a little bonding 

1181
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,120
section about how annoying. 
Kim is, yeah. 

1182
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:30,720
He would have been like, oh, no 
way. 

1183
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:32,480
I know. 
She drives him crazy. 

1184
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:34,520
She didn't have to go at it with
an. 

1185
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:37,960
Accusation she could have just 
said, hey, by the way, I think 

1186
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,920
Kim must have really strongly. 
Implied that they slept 

1187
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:45,960
together. 
I think that if Strike knew the 

1188
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,400
way that Kim was. 
Talking, he'd say something and 

1189
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,280
put a stop to it sooner than it 
actually happened. 

1190
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,040
So and everybody, if he just, 
she'd just be like, oh, I'm 

1191
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:54,920
just. 
Joking. 

1192
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:56,840
Oh, it's just a joke. 
Ha ha ha. 

1193
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,600
The way she did before. 
It's a weird joke, you know It's

1194
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:01,040
not a joke. 
I love this. 

1195
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,760
Line angry too. 
At her detective partner, 

1196
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,960
though, she'd have found it hard
to justify that emotion if 

1197
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:11,760
interrogated. 
It's kind of a theme for. 

1198
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:16,160
Robin in this book, she's really
angry at Strike and a lot of it 

1199
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:19,200
seems unjustifiable. 
I was having thoughts about 

1200
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,400
Strike being the. 
Safest person to be angry at to 

1201
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,280
be angry at. 
You know. 

1202
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,320
Because she's so. 
Locked down. 

1203
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:30,640
Everywhere else and she's going 
through such a hard time where 

1204
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,320
the emotions going to go. 
Yeah, but I'm not sure that 

1205
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:34,640
that's what that. 
Is though. 

1206
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,080
No, she's just mad. 
Yeah, her. 

1207
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:40,280
Anger is covering up her fear. 
Of him actually being in love 

1208
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,800
with her, yeah, that too. 
But so then the. 

1209
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,320
Chapter ends with. 
Her and Strike meeting and 

1210
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:48,680
they're off to try and find the 
flat that William Wright lived 

1211
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:52,120
in, which we will do next time, 
which I hate. 

1212
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,360
Robin, don't suggest you go 
knock on different doors. 

1213
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,560
I know it does feel a bit 
reminiscent. 

1214
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,520
Of strike trying. 
To find the flat that Billy 

1215
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,480
Knight was staying in at the 
beginning of Leaf of White. 

1216
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:03,280
About yeah. 
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1217
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:05,680
Billy William. 
Yep. 

1218
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:09,360
Oh my God, it is. 
And doesn't he find that pretty 

1219
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:10,920
quickly? 
Yeah, I think he does. 

1220
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,160
Recently, yeah. 
Cuz here they. 

1221
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:15,760
Find it really quickly. 
Which I was very happy because 

1222
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,280
then they weren't walking apart 
from each other for a very long 

1223
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:20,040
time. 
We don't want them walking 

1224
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:23,880
apart, we want them. 
Walking together, a walk beside 

1225
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,600
you. 
Look at that. 

1226
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:28,400
Like the song? 
Yep. 

1227
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:30,800
So let's jump into the. 
Partners chat what? 

1228
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:32,880
Is this partners chat the chat 
of our lives? 

1229
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,360
It's a chat of our lives. 
It's like the date of our lives.

1230
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:40,600
Our lives. 
That's what this is and then I 

1231
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,920
can like talk about my tallow or
unless you decide to cut that, 

1232
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,240
which I realize is that super 
likely. 

1233
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:50,920
What do you mean it's so? 
Incredibly interesting actually.

1234
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:54,360
I want to go check on it but. 
Gotta wait till we do a break. 

1235
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,120
So. 
Oh So what have you been doing? 

1236
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,360
I'm. 
Currently rendering tallow. 

1237
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,360
Because I'm going to make my own
tallow lotion unscented for my 

1238
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,400
hands. 
Long time. 

1239
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:08,720
What exactly is tallow? 
So you'd be fat from around the.

1240
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:12,640
Kidneys of the cow that may be 
very nervous. 

1241
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:14,760
Very pure. 
Like very pure and. 

1242
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:18,600
Very shelf stable and you whip 
it up with another oil and 

1243
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,640
whatever you want to put in it. 
It's actually great for the skin

1244
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:25,280
I already use. 
I buy it off of an Etsy seller. 

1245
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:27,360
It's really nice. 
It's vanilla scented and then 

1246
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:28,880
you can also use the tallow for 
cooking. 

1247
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,800
It's better than usual fat. 
I've heard. 

1248
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:36,040
Yeah, it's nice. 
Never rendered it before so it's

1249
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:38,760
it's really annoying me. 
How does one work? 

1250
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:40,400
So I have to go and like stir. 
On it. 

1251
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:44,680
Do it in the crock. 
Pot basically on low for ages 

1252
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:47,560
until it it's like totally 
liquid and all the and then you 

1253
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:49,920
strain it through like 3 
strainers so all the bits come 

1254
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,760
out and it's just pure fat and 
then you chill it, take it out 

1255
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:53,840
and you scrape off the 
impurities. 

1256
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:57,040
Then you do it again a couple 
times, so it's eventually just a

1257
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:01,920
white hard block and it's taking
fucking forever. 

1258
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,680
So I'm gonna have to go like 
stir it on our break or 

1259
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:07,360
something. 
Make sure it's not scorching. 

1260
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:09,840
So if it scorches, if it gets 
too hot, then it smells like 

1261
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:11,920
beef when it's done. 
You don't want that because I'm 

1262
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:13,960
not putting that on my skin. 
It has to be pure. 

1263
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:16,120
Otherwise, like if I scorch it, 
I'll just have to use it for 

1264
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,880
cooking. 
You walk it around, it sounds 

1265
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:19,960
like. 
Did someone? 

1266
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:24,640
Make a pot roast. 
I mean, I do have vanilla 

1267
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:27,680
perfume, so it's really kind of 
like the savory version. 

1268
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:29,880
Imagine if they did that because
they make a. 

1269
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:33,320
Lot of food sense make a lot of 
weird sense now. 

1270
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:35,840
Well, you know, like you could 
wear citrus. 

1271
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:39,200
Imagine if someone's like, oh, 
this is this is my beef sense my

1272
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:44,840
beef. 
I mean like, like good power 

1273
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:47,640
smells fucking amazing, I know, 
but. 

1274
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:51,440
I think I would be. 
Bitterly disappointed if I. 

1275
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:55,240
Smelled something like that and 
then you get to eat it exactly 

1276
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:56,680
I'd be. 
Like, no, it's just me. 

1277
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,000
My new. 
Signature scent fried chicken. 

1278
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:03,040
All you have to do is work. 
A. 

1279
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:06,440
Work a full shift that yeah, 
Popeyes or KFC and you, you got 

1280
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:08,760
that. 
Oh, just spicy Nuggets, right? 

1281
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:11,400
That. 
Was me with refried beans at 

1282
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:14,200
Taco Bell. 
It was just ode to refried beans

1283
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:18,040
when I worked at A and WI. 
Would put my hair up wet because

1284
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,960
I showered before I put it up 
wet and but I'm over the grill 

1285
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:25,040
when I came home, somehow my 
hair was just the most lustrous,

1286
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:29,880
shiny, WAVY when I took it down.
Somehow the beef grease had 

1287
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:35,000
steamed it gently. 
It was so nice. 

1288
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:39,400
That's so weird. 
It was the texture, the shine. 

1289
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:41,480
I'm like Oh my God, it's 
beautiful. 

1290
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:45,000
I should market this stand over 
a hot girl for 8 hours. 

1291
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:48,760
Your hair will be beautiful. 
Yeah, little life hack there. 

1292
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,840
For you tips. 
For fools, tips and jingles. 

1293
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,280
That's me. 
I haven't had enough jingles. 

1294
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:56,680
I. 
Know I ran out of tunes I. 

1295
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:59,800
Only know the one. 
I can't even hear it now I. 

1296
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,200
Don't even know how it went. 
Grave taking. 

1297
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:07,720
I don't think that's right. 
Yeah, it is. 

1298
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:13,880
OK, I should know my own Jingle.
Well, one would think I'm not 

1299
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:17,560
trusting your memory is. 
It's iffy, right up there with 

1300
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:19,960
math. 
There I just had to take all of 

1301
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:22,160
my. 
Antibiotics out and pour them on

1302
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:26,000
the counter or the desk and 
count them because I couldn't 

1303
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,640
remember if I had taken 1 
literal literally 5 seconds 

1304
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:31,960
before. 
Oh, that's a bad sign, right? 

1305
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:32,640
You're. 
A bit. 

1306
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:34,080
Unwell. 
Well, I mean no. 

1307
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:37,640
That's like a daily occurrence 
but doesn't sound normal for 

1308
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:40,160
you. 
Could not remember, so I had. 

1309
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:44,000
To count them and then like and 
then think, OK, I've taken this,

1310
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:48,080
you know, I had 20 total. 
Yeah, it's through the whole 

1311
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:49,560
thing. 
It turns out I. 

1312
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:51,840
Did take one. 
I always have to do things in 

1313
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:54,800
the exact. 
Order or I get really confused 

1314
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:57,640
and don't know if I've done it 
or not Yeah, no, that makes 

1315
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:00,440
sense because that. 
Becomes automatic, but then see.

1316
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:03,440
If it's automatic, then you. 
Can't remember if you did it. 

1317
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:05,440
I try to like, feel, feel my 
thumb. 

1318
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:07,680
Opening the bottle and then I'm 
like, OK, I did. 

1319
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:12,280
I've definitely felt that like 
you got tie it to a, I don't 

1320
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,600
know because I'm not going to 
have Alzheimer's doses of my 

1321
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:16,000
ADHD. 
Meds at the same. 

1322
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:20,040
Time I'm not going to be feeling
great, so I always err on the 

1323
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:23,640
side of just not taking it. 
I'm like, OK, I'll just. 

1324
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:26,840
Be useless today. 
Rather than I will be gritting 

1325
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:31,440
my teeth and face flushed and 
feeling horrible instead of like

1326
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:33,800
normal. 
So there's normal and then 

1327
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:38,440
there's fucking useless. 
Which to be fair that is my 

1328
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:40,240
baseline state. 
And then there's like no 

1329
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:41,240
comment. 
I don't feel good. 

1330
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:43,640
I'd rather. 
Not not feel well either. 

1331
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:46,160
So yeah I've never had this 
before. 

1332
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:50,240
Meloxicam. 
It's 24 hour pain and anti 

1333
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:53,360
inflammation. 
Sounds nice, I know. 

1334
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:55,080
I have a sinus. 
Infection. 

1335
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:58,120
So like that's I hate those 
have. 

1336
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:01,320
You tried the massager on the 
face thing, did we? 

1337
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:04,920
Do you know what we tried that? 
I thought about that. 

1338
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:07,760
The other. 
Day yeah I have a back like an 

1339
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:11,880
actual back massager thing like 
the one that goes I thought it 

1340
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:14,880
might hurt I thought that might 
hurt but they. 

1341
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:16,640
Have different. 
Attachments I could get the flat

1342
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:19,520
one or you could put like a 
little like. 

1343
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:21,640
But I can't of towel. 
Yeah, I. 

1344
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:23,640
Just can't find it is the 
problem. 

1345
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:25,720
Oh yeah, that is, but I have 
thought about. 

1346
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:28,120
That but if you. 
Want to know details? 

1347
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:30,680
No. 
Oh, I have to tell you because 

1348
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:32,560
it's so gross. 
Lay it on us. 

1349
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:35,000
She's like. 
Why do you have to tell if it's 

1350
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:36,400
so gross? 
You don't. 

1351
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:40,360
You don't have that urge ever. 
No, never. 

1352
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:42,440
That's weird. 
Share away. 

1353
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:45,160
Literally I thought my nose was 
bleeding. 

1354
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:47,080
Nope. 
Oh, neon. 

1355
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:48,600
I mean, you know. 
I you guys know. 

1356
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:52,240
I love neon but that's how I 
knew I had a sinus infection. 

1357
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:55,040
So it was just liquid. 
It wasn't even like I don't know

1358
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:57,760
what it is. 
It could be spinal fluid. 

1359
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:00,440
Have you googled that? 
Well I did Google it and it said

1360
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:01,960
that's it's a. 
Sinus infection. 

1361
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:05,160
So that's that's then I called 
the doctor and the doctor's 

1362
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:08,520
like, yeah, my neon is just a 
sinus infection, which I'm sure 

1363
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:10,480
it is. 
I've gotten sick at all lately, 

1364
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:11,320
which is. 
It's really annoying. 

1365
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:14,000
Because I have a ton of sick 
days at work built up, I don't 

1366
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:16,920
feel like I can say, take them 
if I'm not genuinely sick, 

1367
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,000
right? 
Yeah, sometimes I can sort of 

1368
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:23,439
think myself sick, like if I try
hard enough. 

1369
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:25,120
Probably should meet my 
notification. 

1370
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:26,800
My brother is. 
Texting me right now. 

1371
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:30,760
He does like medical pickups and
deliveries. 

1372
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,399
Yeah, he texted someone. 
Or he. 

1373
01:08:33,399 --> 01:08:36,479
Called a patient saying that 
he's on the way to pick up and 

1374
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:39,000
the person said can you give me 
an hour to clear a path? 

1375
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:40,760
My wife is a hoarder. 
Oh. 

1376
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:45,040
Oh shit, yeah. 
I suddenly feel so much better 

1377
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:48,160
about my housekeeping. 
I should put on an episode of 

1378
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:51,040
Hoarders to feel better. 
I love watching Hoarders 

1379
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:53,279
because. 
It makes me feel inspired to 

1380
01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:56,399
clean and also just really good 
about myself. 

1381
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:58,399
Yeah, me too. 
I've been struggling with. 

1382
01:08:58,399 --> 01:09:00,920
Keeping on top of things. 
Lately, because we are adjusting

1383
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:05,200
to our new schedule with Jack in
this program, it's different 

1384
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:08,399
when you go from homeschooling 
to then having to get out of the

1385
01:09:08,399 --> 01:09:12,920
house most days. 
It's so different. 

1386
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:16,080
I feel you and it's hard like. 
On my own. 

1387
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:21,080
OK, but then I also have to get 
two kids ready to go and my 

1388
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:22,600
daughter. 
The She's 3. 

1389
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:26,760
She wants to fight about 
everything. 

1390
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:29,120
Oh wow, she doesn't want to get 
dressed. 

1391
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:32,000
But she does. 
Think that's a genetic trait or?

1392
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:40,120
I think she's 13. 
Very funny. 

1393
01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:42,520
I. 
She's like, yeah, she wants to 

1394
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:45,640
get dressed, but she doesn't. 
And somehow I should know what 

1395
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:47,720
to do about that. 
You should be able to read her 

1396
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:48,720
mind, Yes. 
And. 

1397
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:50,960
Also be able to solve impossible
problems. 

1398
01:09:51,319 --> 01:09:55,120
Yeah, a few weeks ago we. 
Were doing this thing at church 

1399
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:58,480
on Monday nights and like, I was
trying to get her dressed and 

1400
01:09:58,480 --> 01:10:03,480
she ended up going in her Minnie
Mouse costume and almost, almost

1401
01:10:03,480 --> 01:10:04,960
slippers. 
But she changed her mind at the 

1402
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:07,360
last minute and it just wasn't 
worth the fight. 

1403
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:10,080
No. 
So that's what she went in. 

1404
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:13,520
You got to choose your battles. 
And Jack is also. 

1405
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:17,280
Pretty similar right now about 
he wants to wear what he wants 

1406
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:19,040
and it doesn't matter if it 
doesn't match. 

1407
01:10:19,440 --> 01:10:23,120
Well, that's self-expression. 
He wants to style his hair. 

1408
01:10:23,440 --> 01:10:28,440
The way he wants, which consists
of you know how Mario and Luigi 

1409
01:10:28,440 --> 01:10:30,120
have two spikes in the back of 
their head? 

1410
01:10:30,480 --> 01:10:32,400
Love it. 
Yes, he will get. 

1411
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:37,680
Gel and make. 2. 
Giants got to let him do that. 

1412
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:40,200
And just make sure I do. 
Pictures to torment. 

1413
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:42,360
Him with as an. 
Adult that's going in the 

1414
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:45,560
wedding slideshow. 
When we take a break, I'm going 

1415
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:48,120
to find a. 
Picture of his Mario spikes. 

1416
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:51,760
Because they're something that 
they're amazing, they are 

1417
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:53,760
something. 
And yeah, he wants to wear that 

1418
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:55,840
out. 
So my point is, it's hard to get

1419
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:57,440
out of the house every day. 
Totally. 

1420
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:00,600
At least looking normal. 
And then also getting the house 

1421
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:01,160
clean. 
So yeah, I. 

1422
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:03,000
Should watch an episode of 
Hoarders Kenz. 

1423
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:06,280
Do you like Hoarders? 
I don't regularly watch. 

1424
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:09,320
It mainly because I'm concerned 
that one of the people in my 

1425
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:12,880
house is going to take it as 
inspiration rather than like to 

1426
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:18,000
board more rather interesting 
board I mean the rats and. 

1427
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:21,360
Stuff is usually feels so bad 
for any animals though. 

1428
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:24,360
It upsets me in episodes where 
they have animals. 

1429
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:26,680
Really upsets me. 
Or kids I guess. 

1430
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:29,320
Or kids I guess. 
Speaking of watching. 

1431
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:31,400
Things. 
Did anyone get a chance 

1432
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:34,000
yesterday to watch the 1st 2 
episodes? 

1433
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:37,080
Me, I did or. 
The heiress heard. 

1434
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:38,840
I was like. 
Notes in the. 

1435
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:41,920
I had them in the background 
while I was doing the notes. 

1436
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:45,960
Yep, no, I I watched one. 
With dinner and I was like, oh, 

1437
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:48,800
might as well watch 2 with 
dinner, there's some key moments

1438
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:49,880
that I really. 
Loved. 

1439
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:53,560
First of all, Taylor is 
listening to an audio book that 

1440
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:56,600
I just finished. 
Yes, the woods out. 

1441
01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:59,440
Of the God of the wood, let me, 
let me get the. 

1442
01:11:59,440 --> 01:12:01,720
Title. 
Let me get the title, and this 

1443
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:04,120
was recommended to me by Lily on
Twitter. 

1444
01:12:04,440 --> 01:12:06,120
The God of the Woods by Liz 
Moore. 

1445
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:09,360
I've told you about that one. 
It's the one where it's a camp 

1446
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:12,920
and teenage girl goes missing, 
and it's the same woods that her

1447
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:15,120
brother went missing from 
previously. 

1448
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:17,240
Yeah, that's the book that she 
was. 

1449
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:20,240
Listening to. 
And I recognized it immediately.

1450
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:23,040
I was like, Oh my gosh, that's 
so cool, That's awesome. 

1451
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:25,960
That's genuinely. 
Pretty cool, and I bet that 

1452
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:29,240
often sales have caught up. 
That's good. 

1453
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:32,080
So yeah, it's good for her. 
A good book. 

1454
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:34,640
The sales off that docu series 
is good. 

1455
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:38,320
I mean, they had me crying. 
I know the Southport. 

1456
01:12:38,440 --> 01:12:41,080
Oh my God. 
The attack when she just broke 

1457
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:41,760
down. 
Sobbing. 

1458
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,800
That was just so sad, brutal, 
and she couldn't even explain 

1459
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:46,560
what. 
Happened without crying and I'm 

1460
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:49,760
like I yeah I'm here too I cry 
when I. 

1461
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:52,720
Think about it. 
I also really liked the. 

1462
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:55,400
Bonus day. 
Oh yeah, yeah. 

1463
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:59,800
How do I can I get in on this? 
What I do for this tour? 

1464
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:03,680
And she does them for each leg. 
Of the tour too that's not even 

1465
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:07,400
the one bonus that they get they
get multiple huge bonuses like 

1466
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:11,200
that like that's awesome and the
effort the poem she. 

1467
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:13,160
Wrote. 
I think it was like a poem that 

1468
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:15,800
was really so sweet. 
No, it was good. 

1469
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:17,040
It was. 
I'm excited to watch. 

1470
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:19,640
The rest of it, and then me too.
Hence. 

1471
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:20,840
Do you watch Stranger? 
Things. 

1472
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:23,080
I do too. 
Oh, you do. 

1473
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:24,640
Too have. 
You watched. 

1474
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:27,440
The cultural at such a point in 
common. 

1475
01:13:27,480 --> 01:13:30,320
Season 5 I have not watched any.
Of it yet? 

1476
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:32,560
Yeah, I haven't either. 
I kind of. 

1477
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:34,240
Didn't want to start and then 
have to. 

1478
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:35,880
Stop. 
I just kind of wanted to wait 

1479
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:38,600
till it all comes out. 
It did stop on a really cool 

1480
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:41,280
point. 
I also don't remember anything. 

1481
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:43,960
That happened before kind of 
they do a recap at the 

1482
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:47,000
beginning, OK. 
That works, then I'll remember. 

1483
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:49,400
When I see it, yeah. 
You watch the recap, you're 

1484
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:50,840
like, oh. 
Right. 

1485
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:54,360
Yes, yes, OK, you know what? 
Else I've been watching. 

1486
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:58,640
That I I'm. 
Not sure how I feel about yet is

1487
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,960
I don't even know how to say it.
Pluribus, Pluribus. 

1488
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:05,560
Yeah, yeah, that. 
Thing that's good. 

1489
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:07,920
It's weird which. 
Explains why my. 

1490
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:10,440
Brother recommended it because 
it's weird and so is he. 

1491
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:13,400
Yeah, so. 
The main. 

1492
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:17,320
Character is 1 of 13 people in 
the entire world who have not 

1493
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:20,200
been overtaken by the the 
joining. 

1494
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:22,320
Yeah, I've been seeing. 
That's good. 

1495
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:24,240
I kind of want to watch it. 
You might like it. 

1496
01:14:24,440 --> 01:14:26,400
The pit starts back. 
Up soon, doesn't. 

1497
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:29,840
It Oh yes, yes, it sure does. 
Did you see the? 

1498
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:33,120
Sneak peek that I sent you. 
Guys, was it like an actual clip

1499
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:34,680
of the show? 
Oh wait, is he on the 

1500
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:35,880
motorcycle? 
Yes. 

1501
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:37,960
With no helmet, that's not. 
Safe. 

1502
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:39,120
No, it's not. 
It's. 

1503
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:41,280
Not but he. 
Looks really cool. 

1504
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:44,400
And he should know better as an.
Emergency room doctor. 

1505
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:47,720
You know what looks cool to me? 
Ken's safety. 

1506
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:51,760
Yes. 
That's the real cool. 

1507
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:55,280
Thing to do. 
Is to keep your skull intact. 

1508
01:14:55,760 --> 01:15:00,720
Yeah, yes, Yeah, that's fair. 
He still looked. 

1509
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:03,360
Good on that bike though. 
Oh, I know it looks good. 

1510
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:04,600
I'm. 
Excited. 

1511
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:07,160
My gosh, there's so much coming 
out soon. 

1512
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:10,640
Rookies back in January too. 
So I'm going to be annoying 

1513
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:14,280
about Oh, I've been waiting. 
I know, it's crazy. 

1514
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:17,040
I can't wait. 
It's all I can think about. 

1515
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:18,600
I feed. 
Knows I've been missing 

1516
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:20,400
Chenford. 
So they have been. 

1517
01:15:20,480 --> 01:15:25,280
It has been feeding me constant 
romantic edits of the fox and 

1518
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:28,080
the Bunny from Zootopia too. 
Like seen those? 

1519
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:32,320
Nick. 
Wilde and Judy, it's not Nick. 

1520
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:36,000
Wilde and Judy Hops. 
Because they're the same flavor 

1521
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:39,200
as Chenford, basically. 
And now I really want to watch 

1522
01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:42,680
Utopia 2, actually. 
It looks really cute. 

1523
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:45,560
It's fun fun. 
Updates. 

1524
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:50,040
That's almost Christmas. 
Christmas to our listeners, even

1525
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:51,760
though it will be past Christmas
by the. 

1526
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:54,240
Time that they listen to this, 
but happy New Year. 

1527
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:56,760
Yep, Merry. 
Christmas and Happy New Year. 

1528
01:15:57,240 --> 01:16:00,120
Merry Christmas. 
Happy Holidays. 

1529
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:03,640
Come on. 
Merry Christmas, that's a jam. 

1530
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:05,520
I was Backstreet Boys. 
Girly. 

1531
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:12,840
Oh heck no. 
Get out Christmas tired I have. 

1532
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:16,400
So much baking to do. 
What are you making? 

1533
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:18,840
A bunch of cookies. 
Oatmeal. 

1534
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:22,720
Cranberry white chocolate wants.
I'm going to make chocolate chip

1535
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:25,360
and I'm going to make Christmas 
crack and then I'm going to 

1536
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:27,520
break that up and do that in the
cookies. 

1537
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:29,440
You know what? 
I saw it. 

1538
01:16:29,440 --> 01:16:33,160
Was something Christmasy cracky?
Yeah. 

1539
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:38,040
You take butter, brown sugar, 
melt that up, vanilla, whatever.

1540
01:16:38,440 --> 01:16:43,040
You put it on the oyster 
crackers you spread. 

1541
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:46,280
It and you bake it. 
And then you put like a sugar 

1542
01:16:46,440 --> 01:16:49,320
top coat. 
I don't know, it just it looks 

1543
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:51,680
really good. 
I do it with the saltines. 

1544
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:53,880
Oyster crackers pretty much the 
same thing as. 

1545
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:55,920
Saltines. 
They're just tiny little ones. 

1546
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:57,880
Yeah. 
Are they? 

1547
01:16:57,880 --> 01:16:59,560
Yeah. 
They're pretty much just like. 

1548
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:01,360
Very small. 
Plain crackers? 

1549
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:03,640
No, those look like a totally 
different texture. 

1550
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:05,800
To Saltines, I don't know what 
you guys are on. 

1551
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:08,360
It's the same thing like I don't
know what. 

1552
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:10,720
Like the taste? 
Is like very. 

1553
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:15,800
Clearly a totally. 
Different texture so I can see 

1554
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:16,640
the. 
Texture. 

1555
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:21,160
Like this is crazy but OK OK I 
don't know if you guys have 

1556
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:24,680
weird talkies or what. 
It's round and small. 

1557
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:29,800
It's not a square they taste. 
The same. 

1558
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:31,880
They're like puffy. 
Yeah, they. 

1559
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:35,000
Taste the same. 
Yeah, it's the same cracker. 

1560
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:36,120
In a different. 
Shape. 

1561
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:38,320
OK, right up there with 
Maltesers. 

1562
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:40,280
And whoppers. 
Oh no, I'm hungry. 

1563
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:43,040
I want Christmas crack. 
Oh dude, I didn't. 

1564
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:45,680
I didn't. 
Tell you guys, my mom actually 

1565
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:48,000
really likes the Maltesers. 
Really. 

1566
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:51,320
Oh well, someone to leave them. 
Then yeah, she's been, she's 

1567
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:53,440
been grazing on. 
Him, She was like, this 

1568
01:17:53,440 --> 01:17:55,880
chocolate is so much better than
they have on the Whoppers. 

1569
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:58,440
I'll happily take these. 
And with them being less hard, 

1570
01:17:58,440 --> 01:18:00,080
she was like, oh this is great. 
I'll take them. 

1571
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:02,000
You're welcome. 
Kenz's mom. 

1572
01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:05,480
I threw mine away. 
Sorry, how's she doing with her?

1573
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:07,760
Yeah, she's she's. 
Doing well, she's actually. 

1574
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:11,280
Recovering really, really well. 
That's good, She was saying that

1575
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:12,400
the only. 
Thing that she can really. 

1576
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:15,240
Feel now is she can kind of feel
the patch a little bit, but it's

1577
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:18,560
like where her heart muscle is 
like growing around the patch 

1578
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:23,840
and well, part of the recovery. 
Process is she's. 

1579
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:25,840
A little uncomfortable, but 
aside. 

1580
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:27,360
From that things. 
Are a lot better. 

1581
01:18:27,480 --> 01:18:30,440
What's really creepy is she was 
conscious while she did this. 

1582
01:18:30,440 --> 01:18:34,080
She insisted that she should be 
conscious because she wanted to 

1583
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:35,920
see it. 
She wanted to watch. 

1584
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:39,920
I would just. 
Be afraid of anesthesia too far.

1585
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:41,240
I've never gone under 
anesthesia. 

1586
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:43,200
I have when I got my wisdom 
teeth out. 

1587
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:45,840
Mine are still in here and 
fucking up the teeth. 

1588
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:47,760
That the break. 
So I like. 

1589
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:49,360
I should probably go get them 
taken out. 

1590
01:18:49,440 --> 01:18:51,520
You should. 
Yeah, I could use some. 

1591
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:53,320
Sick days for that. 
There you go. 

1592
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:54,320
See. 
There you go. 

1593
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:55,320
There's. 
An there you go. 

1594
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:58,200
I don't know how many. 
Days I could milk off of that. 

1595
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:00,200
I really like watching people 
come out of. 

1596
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:02,240
Anesthesia. 
Luckily, that didn't happen to 

1597
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:04,600
me at all. 
Yeah, You know, it's really fun 

1598
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:05,760
watching. 
People come out of 

1599
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:08,160
colonoscopies. 
Stop. 

1600
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:11,480
I know where this is going. 
I've seen. 

1601
01:19:11,480 --> 01:19:14,160
Those videos, there's one. 
Instruction that they give you 

1602
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:15,560
before. 
You can leave. 

1603
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:18,920
Yeah. 
What are we doing next time? 

1604
01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:21,200
Next time. 
We were originally going to. 

1605
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:24,360
Do chapters 18 and 19 with the 
Mandy and Daz interview and 

1606
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:26,600
Strike and Robin texting back 
and forth about the case. 

1607
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:29,680
But since we got so much Book 9 
news, next time we'll be 

1608
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:33,440
discussing Chapter 18 and charm 
bracelet from Joe's new Twitter 

1609
01:19:33,440 --> 01:19:36,520
header in detail instead. 
That'll do it for this episode. 

1610
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:39,280
Thank you so much for listening.
If you enjoy what you've heard, 

1611
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:41,280
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social media. 

1612
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:45,160
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1613
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:49,120
You can also contact us on our 
website at the SC Files pod.com 

1614
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:53,280
or e-mail us directly at 
scfilespodcast@gmail.com. 

1615
01:19:53,440 --> 01:19:55,520
Thank you so much again for 
listening and we hope to catch 

1616
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:57,800
you next time for another 
episode of The Strike and 

1617
01:19:57,800 --> 01:19:58,760
Ellicott Files.