1 00:00:26,690 --> 00:00:29,650 Hi everyone, and welcome back to the Strike and Ellicott Files, 2 00:00:29,650 --> 00:00:32,810 an unofficial podcast dedicated to all things Strike and Robin 3 00:00:32,810 --> 00:00:36,770 as written by Robert Galbraith, AKA the endlessly talented JK 4 00:00:36,770 --> 00:00:38,330 Rowling. My name is Kenz. 5 00:00:38,450 --> 00:00:40,250 I'm Lindsay. And I'm Pauls. 6 00:00:40,530 --> 00:00:43,250 And today we'll be continuing our reread of The Hallmarked 7 00:00:43,250 --> 00:00:46,530 Man, covering chapters 28 through 30, which takes us from 8 00:00:46,530 --> 00:00:48,970 Strike's interview with Joan Todd through the 1st Gorilla 9 00:00:48,970 --> 00:00:52,840 Related attack, guerrilla related attack, guerrilla 10 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,080 related. I did not realize that's what 11 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,120 she wrote. They're rogue, they're roaming 12 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,680 the streets, they're freaking out of it. 13 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:05,800 Hide your kids, hide your wife. Gorillas are coming. 14 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:10,560 Sorry that just hit me funny. Guerrilla related attack I 15 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,840 didn't expect. OK. 16 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:17,240 Oh dude, you wait until you get to like the end of the next set 17 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,160 of notes. I think that you will appreciate 18 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,520 my description of the next set because he notes that it 19 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:26,120 involves Strike doing some of that questionable research. 20 00:01:26,320 --> 00:01:29,920 God. So what did you write? 21 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,600 Please be aware, as always, that our discussion of the Hallmark 22 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,360 Band will often reference the ending of this book as well as 23 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:38,920 the previous books in the series. 24 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:43,160 But before we get into that, we actually have some news in a 25 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:47,480 very small bit of Running Grave adaptation news, we have news 26 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:51,120 about who's going to be playing Amandeep Singh, and that is 27 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,440 going to be Mikhail Sen. He's in the cult, right? 28 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,880 Yeah, He's the one that went there to write about it and. 29 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,560 Then he's a cutie. I also saw that there was some 30 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:06,040 interview, some TV show that Tom was on. 31 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,440 Yeah, Tom Burke was on, and they asked him about strike and he 32 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:13,640 said that it's going to be in the run up towards Christmas, 33 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:15,560 which I think we knew. Yeah. 34 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,600 Yeah. So it'll be like run up toward 35 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,120 Christmas with the running grave, and then on Christmas we 36 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,120 get Harry Potter. We will be. 37 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,960 It's a very rolling Christmas and also Joe will probably be 38 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,200 done with writing Book 9 by then. 39 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,720 Stop it. It's going to be such a good 40 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:35,840 child. Dropping more clues? 41 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,400 Oh, she's definitely going to be dropping more clues too. 42 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:43,480 A fan wrote to Joe on the 29th of March and asked her did Robin 43 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:47,400 and Strike finally kiss like a proper kiss and not a silly half 44 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,400 assed Peck. I just realized that that was 45 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,160 the day they first met. 29th March that she asked that 46 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,880 question and responded to it. Oh yeah, that's their 47 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,640 anniversary date. Is it significant she chose to 48 00:02:58,640 --> 00:03:00,720 answer the question? Maybe, she decided. 49 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:02,400 She gets people to ask me every day. 50 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,200 We can be 100% certain that when they do actually kiss, that's 51 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,280 that's going to be full asked. No half asses around. 52 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,760 They haven't not waited this long with this much tension to 53 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,040 like. No, it's going to be a good one. 54 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:16,600 It's. Going to be powerful. 55 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:20,360 Joe responded. Did they not in the published 56 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,600 books to date? Will they? 57 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,480 I'm not ruling it out. She said. 58 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,640 I'm not ruling it out so many times. 59 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,280 We know she is such a torturing us. 60 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,600 Just give me it. I feel like that not in the 61 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,520 published books to date is doing a lot of heavy lifting, but I 62 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,800 think the obvious take away from this is that they're probably 63 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:42,880 going to kiss in the next book. Or at least that's what I'm 64 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:43,960 saying. Or the next one. 65 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,600 Oh wow, that's it. One of the next two. 66 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:48,640 It has to be one of the next two. 67 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,960 I'm taking the same thing. I'm taking the same thing away. 68 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,480 Sleep tight, Evangeline, and you can pry that out of my cold, 69 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,480 dead hands. I know I've said that for every 70 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:57,800 book so far. Everyone. 71 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,080 But this time. It's got to be true at some 72 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:01,760 point. We're running out of times that 73 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,840 we're going to say it. I feel like it should be this 74 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,520 time because if it's not in this book then we'll all know it'll 75 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,800 happen in the 10th book and it won't be AS. 76 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,120 Yeah, she's got to do. One more. 77 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,480 Surprise for the people who are like, oh, they'll hold out till 78 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,399 the very end. She's like ha ha sucker. 79 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,399 But do you know what I mean? It won't be a question anymore 80 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:21,880 if it's. Exactly. 81 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,320 You know what, that is a really good point that I hadn't heard 82 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,520 of before and I feel certain now, even more certain than I 83 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,640 did 5 seconds ago when I was 100% certain. 84 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:31,360 It's convinced me. I convinced. 85 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,120 Myself, I'm convinced. I'm so convinced. 86 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,200 Because honestly, is Chase laughing at us? 87 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,640 No, he's video gaming. OK, I thought I heard laughing. 88 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,000 I was like, this is serious business, Chase. 89 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,640 Very serious. But it is very serious, yeah. 90 00:04:44,840 --> 00:04:48,560 Joe also let us know on the 17th of April that she is over 91 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,920 halfway done with the book. Means definitely Fall 2027. 92 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:57,600 Yeah, definitely. And then in Joe IP related news 93 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,520 not related to Strike, we did get a trailer for the Harry 94 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,480 Potter TV series and it looks so good. 95 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,600 I'm so excited. I had tears in my eyes. 96 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,480 I don't know if you guys were tearing up watching it. 97 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,600 It was really good. I already want to reach through 98 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:12,120 my screen and strangle the Dursley. 99 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,680 Cell, they're bad. You really get to see their 100 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,520 mistreatment. I'm excited we're getting to see 101 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,240 that abuse, which sounds horrible to say, but like I'm 102 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,560 excited we get to see more of Harry at the same time. 103 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,520 Like he's just a baby. Like you look at the little guy, 104 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,120 he's so tiny. So I'm ready to rage on 105 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:31,640 Christmas Day. Can't wait. 106 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,640 Should we say what we're planning to do? 107 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,400 Oh, maybe we should tease it like a certain Joe does. 108 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,960 I don't know if people care enough to tease it. 109 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:43,840 Some people. Rather than just say. 110 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,520 A couple of people will care that we're doing a little secret 111 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,680 something something. We are planning on doing bonus 112 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,040 episodes to talk about the Harry Potter series. 113 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,400 We're brainstorming an idea to call it. 114 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:59,520 I was like T stuff HP edition. Fun, but it's a bit boring. 115 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:03,000 Well, it tells you what it is it does right, what it says on the 116 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,560 10, so people know if they're not interested. 117 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,440 Yeah, the Potter file. That would be a whole other 118 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,200 podcast. We need it to be the title of 119 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,160 the episode. Yeah, So that it's like TSAF HP 120 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,080 edition One has to be something in the title. 121 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,600 Otherwise we'd have to get a whole other separate channel 122 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:19,760 going. Yeah, OK. 123 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,800 Makes sense? But yeah, we're gonna have Jack 124 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,880 and Iris join us. Everyone knows Jack and Iris 125 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,480 from Twitter. They're great and very fun to 126 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,680 talk to. It will be a good time. 127 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:35,920 I think probably less structured than we are, which anyone who 128 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,400 listened to those outtakes saying less structured, they're 129 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,800 like, Oh no, what? What's going to happen now? 130 00:06:41,840 --> 00:06:44,480 Right? Like what kind of just 131 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,560 clusterfuck? Normally we are on better 132 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:49,360 behavior when other people are here though. 133 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,200 We are we are on really good professional behavior. 134 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,880 When we have guests, I bring up my professional pools mindset. 135 00:06:56,040 --> 00:07:01,360 Right, the first one we got to talk about news, casting, drama, 136 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,880 the trailer, the trailer and the documentary that I still have 137 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,400 not watched, but I'm going to because we have to talk about 138 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:08,200 it. Did you watch it? 139 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:09,840 Ken's. I have not watched it yet. 140 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:11,160 We're slacking on that. Yeah. 141 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:15,400 I've got to watch the City Slickers movie 1st and then 142 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,480 yeah. Are we doing AQ and a question? 143 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:23,760 Yes, Yes, we are all right. The Q&A for this episode is can 144 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,040 you tell us about the location research you did for this novel? 145 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,200 I loved Iron Bridge Cree fight. I know. 146 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,920 Anyway, Sark was just a ton of fun. 147 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,280 It's unlike any place I've been before and I'm not sure there 148 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,760 are that many places like Sark in the in the world. 149 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:45,120 And I was being quite mean to strike because for an amputee, 150 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,880 Sark is not easy. It's really not easy. 151 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:52,120 You're walking over sort of earthen roads. 152 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,080 There are no vehicles, there are no taxis, there are no buses. 153 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:56,920 He's got to walk all over this island. 154 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:01,560 There's no choice. And there's a line in the book. 155 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:05,120 Robin becomes aware as they go to their B&B in the evening. 156 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,640 They have never been as alone together as they are on that 157 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,400 night. So obviously Sark is the is the 158 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,240 sight of something very, very important. 159 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,360 Strike here we are thinking that they're going to get a horse and 160 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,560 carriage and stuff. No, he just has to suffer and 161 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,400 walk all around. So she says that there's 162 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,360 something very, very important happens on Sark. 163 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,440 Is that in the room with here? With us in here? 164 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,039 Well, pasta. There was pasta, which is very 165 00:08:33,039 --> 00:08:35,120 important. Pasta is very important. 166 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,200 That's. Even if it's not accurate to 167 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:38,280 what? A carbonara. 168 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,679 Yes, it was probably still delicious. 169 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:42,679 What do you mean not accurate to a carbonara? 170 00:08:42,799 --> 00:08:44,960 She was cooking a sauce. It was bubbling. 171 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:46,960 You don't cook carbonara sauce. Yeah. 172 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,080 Did it say it was Carbonara? Yeah, she did OK. 173 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,640 Yeah, Robin did. So yeah, triggered a lot of 174 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:57,880 Italians, I think, who aren't Italian. 175 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,200 Yeah, OK. I did have an Italian aunt by 176 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,600 marriage, so. Can't you just like put the 177 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,120 sauce in and mix it and call that cooking? 178 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,800 Yeah, well. OK, it's just not a carbonara. 179 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:10,400 Why? Because the carbonara is a 180 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,280 specific thing, we can have the whole carbonara discussion. 181 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,360 Let's save it for the. I didn't know there was a 182 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,520 discussion. I really want to have that 183 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:20,000 discussion when we get to the carbonara. 184 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,760 No, but I'm saying I didn't know that this was a thing. 185 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:26,320 I had no idea, No. Angus hasn't complained about it 186 00:09:27,560 --> 00:09:30,600 because I feel like she said she no. 187 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,640 She was offended. She was offended I. 188 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,040 Have not heard anything about. This carbonara is like you cook 189 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,920 the pancetta, you mix the egg yolks, so you don't cook, you 190 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:43,120 don't cook the sauce, but it's. Just. 191 00:09:43,560 --> 00:09:45,720 It's just that Robin called it a carbonara. 192 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,560 No, I'm just saying, can't you say I'm cooking this? 193 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:52,040 It says in the chapter that the sauce is bubbling on the stove. 194 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,320 OK, that's And then she's like, oh shoot, my sauce is bubbling. 195 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,360 So like that's. OK, well maybe she made like a 196 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,520 cheesy a cheesy egg cheesy. Pasta. 197 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,040 Delicious. I mean, I would call it, it's 198 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,920 fine to call it a carbonara. I think I don't I can take the 199 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:10,000 heat. Have you seen the the video of 200 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,480 the old morning British talk show? 201 00:10:12,560 --> 00:10:15,320 It's like the Italian chef is making something and then Oh 202 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:16,160 yes. It's. 203 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,360 Like it's kind of close to a British carbonara. 204 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,480 And then he freaks out. Yeah. 205 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,120 That's. It's hilarious every time it 206 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:24,080 comes up. Yeah, it. 207 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:25,640 Is really funny. I've seen that and he's. 208 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,160 Like if my grandmother was a bike, she'd have wheels. 209 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,840 It's so good, so funny. But that's that's what this 210 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:33,320 reminds me of. Like it's. 211 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:34,840 Exactly. Yeah, OK. 212 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:36,840 I'm not sure it's that big of a deal. 213 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,800 The pasta. Yeah, maybe I'm just hungry. 214 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,400 No, I'm just. Surprised it was such a thing 215 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,120 that I didn't know about but. So the pasta was not the 216 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:46,760 important thing in the chapter. Oh yeah. 217 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:48,360 That was we were talking about that, yeah. 218 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:53,080 So I think that I automatically want to equate a big event or 219 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,120 moment with something important. What happened was important. 220 00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:00,000 So Robin told Murphy about the ectopic pregnancy, I think 221 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,560 because she had to, not because she wanted to. 222 00:11:02,560 --> 00:11:05,720 Nothing in their relationship to me indicates that she wants to 223 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,280 confide in him. Yo. 224 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,200 The opposite and. Yeah, We see that with the 225 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,360 recent chapter with the, would you call it Ken's the guerrilla 226 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:14,640 attack, guerrilla related. Yeah. 227 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:18,200 Guerrilla related attack. She's not telling him so in SARC 228 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,840 she confides in strike she's vulnerable. 229 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,560 She opens up to him about something so personal and he 230 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:28,240 sets everything that he was planning aside to put her first. 231 00:11:28,680 --> 00:11:32,600 It's kind of a self sacrifice to do what's best for Robin it. 232 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,560 Is which is so important but. I guess it's important, but it 233 00:11:36,560 --> 00:11:39,920 didn't feel like a anything changed much. 234 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:45,080 But I'm wondering if Joe says that it's very, very important. 235 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,200 This moment is going to end up being important for Robin in 236 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,320 Evangeline. Maybe in another conversation or 237 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,480 arguments, Shrike is going to tell her that he was going to 238 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,600 try and tell her sooner because, you know, she's like, you've had 239 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,640 all this time. Maybe she'll think about how 240 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,640 sweet that is, that she's wrong, that he hadn't tried. 241 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:06,000 Maybe it is important in the way that I'm thinking for 242 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,360 progressing their relationship, but it just hasn't happened yet. 243 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,040 He does. Mention the Lake District and 244 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:16,000 Sark in that final argument. She could be like, what did you? 245 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:17,080 What the hell did he mean? Yeah, what? 246 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,280 Did he mean maybe? It could be the chance for 247 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,840 Strike to point out that she's sometimes the one who pulls away 248 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:24,680 by starting to talk about work. Yeah. 249 00:12:24,680 --> 00:12:27,880 I don't think she did that on purpose there, but she did it on 250 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,840 purpose in other places. Remember that time whenever I 251 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,240 was trying to tell you that Charlotte, you know, said all 252 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,120 these things while she was sober and before? 253 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:36,600 Remember how you changed the subject? 254 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:37,960 Remember. And then? 255 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,240 You got mad at me and went and sat on the toilet. 256 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:42,440 They sat there angrily on the toilet. 257 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,520 Yeah, but yeah. Because I need Robin to realize 258 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,920 I need it, not I want it. I need her to realize that she's 259 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,880 the one who's pulling away. It drives me nuts, the whole you 260 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,120 don't try thing when girl, you know he does. 261 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:55,880 He. Does. 262 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,640 Yeah. God, I really can't wait for 263 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,680 them to argue. And the rest of that Linda 264 00:13:00,680 --> 00:13:03,040 argument. I want them to be fighting, No? 265 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:04,720 Like I don't want the. Cold ignoring. 266 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,280 I want them to actively be fighting, like yelling at each 267 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,160 other for half the book before they kiss. 268 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,760 I'm fine with that. I would love that because at 269 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:14,720 least it means they're tall you ask for. 270 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,360 I know, but I like it when they fight. 271 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,440 I used to, not when. They not talk to each other. 272 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,320 I hate that in this. One, I like it when they. 273 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,960 Yell at each other. That's my favorite and can. 274 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,040 You imagine any arguments that Strike and Robin are going to 275 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,320 have now that his feelings are out in the open. 276 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,520 It's going. To be a whole new dimension 277 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,000 because he. Doesn't have to not say, right? 278 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,760 He can just say it I guess. We can revisit this arc chapter 279 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,120 when we get there. I can feel my heart beating 280 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,320 faster just thinking about Robin being confronted with all of the 281 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:49,040 times that he has tried to tell her that he loves her and that 282 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:53,360 she's pulled away and how that means it's actually real. 283 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,200 She's going to think this is actually real. 284 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,400 Not. Really related, but I wanted to 285 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,720 throw the sinks. I I had a thought on one of the 286 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,280 sleep tight Evangeline clues from the Twitter headers. 287 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:07,200 So it was specifically about the crocodile slash alligator charm 288 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:08,600 on the bracelet. OK. 289 00:14:08,680 --> 00:14:10,800 Yeah, I was. Browsing it through houses on 290 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:14,360 right move looking for the house I'll buy once I win the lottery. 291 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,960 I saw this place called Crocodile House near Leeds in 292 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,720 Yorkshire and obviously I was curious about why I was called 293 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,080 that. I couldn't find a reason in 294 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:24,680 listing. It looked like a normal house. 295 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:26,200 There was no There were no crocodiles. 296 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:27,560 There were no. Crocodiles. 297 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,360 There were no Crocs. So I was wondering like, is 298 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,080 there some kind of crocodile thing going on in Yorkshire with 299 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:33,960 people in Yorkshire that I'm missing? 300 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,280 Like is there some? Is there a crocodile thing? 301 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,840 Is there like? A thing that they guys have, but 302 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,640 the actual point of the story is that I was messing around, 303 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,080 looking at distances between stuff and Google Maps with this 304 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,560 house and the Crocodile Rock to see if that was related. 305 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,920 I happen to see this place in Leeds called Tropical World. 306 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,960 It's like a huge collection of tropical plants and stuff, but 307 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:55,960 they've got actual crocodiles. Where did? 308 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,280 You say it was Leeds. Which is in Yorkshire, it's 309 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,840 quite close to York actually. So they. 310 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,480 Could actually see a real crocodile, so they. 311 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,520 Could act this could actually be a real crocodile if sleep tight 312 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,680 Evangeline has a case that's heavily based in Yorkshire. 313 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,480 I could totally see them having to go there to interview some 314 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:16,600 kind of witness who maybe works at this place. 315 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:20,800 Normally I would guess that someone chopped up a body and 316 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:22,920 fed the crocodiles to the crocodiles. 317 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:23,720 Great. But we've. 318 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,200 Done that already with the pigs we have. 319 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,680 Yeah. That was a weird sentence to 320 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:29,640 say. Yeah, it's. 321 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:31,320 Like a 46 minute drive from York. 322 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:32,640 Well. That's fun, but. 323 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,240 Anyway, so that's the thought I had about the crocodiles I like. 324 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,920 It, you know, crocodiles. I would love it. 325 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:42,720 The little zoo trip, anyway. I think that's it, I think. 326 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:44,120 That's it. I think we're ready to jump into 327 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:45,320 this chapter. Nice. 328 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,720 We're finally doing chapter 28. Finally. 329 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,520 It only took two months to get here. 330 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:55,320 So in this chapter, Strike interviews Jim Todd, the 331 00:15:55,320 --> 00:16:00,080 epigraph I my taste of truth, likewise my touch of falsehood. 332 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,800 That's Mr. Sludge, the Medium by Robert Browning. 333 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:05,760 This one's pretty straightforward. 334 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,600 I feel like because Todd is not being entirely truthful. 335 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,360 I like the my taste of truth because it feels to me how 336 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:16,760 people nowadays say this is my truth, which means nothing about 337 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:18,640 actual truth. We know this. 338 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,720 My truth could just be whatever. It doesn't have to be true, 339 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,720 right? All right, so the beginning of 340 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,280 this chapter, Strike and Robin have a phone call. 341 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:29,640 And I just have to mention this because Strike is precious. 342 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,320 It says having a pretext to call Robin. 343 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,360 He did so because maximizing contact with her fell into the 344 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,240 categories of both playing to his strengths and not letting 345 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,000 Ryan Murphy change his game plan. 346 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:41,400 That's right. Strike. 347 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,400 Hell yeah. I love that he thinks maximizing 348 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,680 his contact with her is playing to strengths because it suggests 349 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,840 that he knows she enjoys him and their time together. 350 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,080 And he would be very correct. That is a strength I. 351 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,600 Do have one question though. When was the last time that 352 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:02,520 Strike had a pretext to call Robin and instead was like Nah, 353 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,560 I don't need to hear the sound of her voice, This could just be 354 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:07,119 an e-mail. Never. 355 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,359 Like. He has been calling her every 356 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,160 single time he can come up with any kind of plausible reason to 357 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,560 do so for years. Literally years, Yeah. 358 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,280 She's the one who will avoid calling him when she's mad at 359 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,480 him because hearing his voice is too hard for her. 360 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,240 Yeah, hearing her voice makes him feel better. 361 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,240 And for her, sometimes hearing his voice makes her feel worse. 362 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,880 Handle it. Yeah, because it's too. 363 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,040 Much. You know that's sweet. 364 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,840 So all I'm saying is that this is completely normal and 365 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,360 expected behavior from him. It's not shocking. 366 00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:42,880 It's not a strategic game of it's what he'd have been doing 367 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,480 anyways and has been doing for a very long time. 368 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,000 He's got. To change it up he's. 369 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,840 Got to change it up, get creative, do something crazy 370 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:51,200 like. Now, I know this is going to 371 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,040 sound nuts, strike, but hear me out, OK? 372 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:54,560 All right. I'm ready for this you. 373 00:17:54,560 --> 00:18:00,640 Could call her your best friend without a work pretext just to 374 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,000 chat. You'd be a legend. 375 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:04,200 Do it. Incredible. 376 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,440 I'm expecting it to happen because there is a lot of 377 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:11,200 explaining of why he's calling in this book to her out loud. 378 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,880 It's almost like he doesn't want her to think that he's calling 379 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,560 for no reason when he actually should let her know that he's 380 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,600 calling for no reason. So I think he's going to do that 381 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:23,280 in Evangeline where he lets her know he likes talking to her, he 382 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:24,880 likes hearing her voice, he just wasn't. 383 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,960 See how she is. Remind her that he loves her 384 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:29,600 smear. No big deal. 385 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,920 We've heard him say that he likes her voice too many times 386 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,320 for it to knock him up. What if he just said I like your 387 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:37,720 voice? It makes me feel better. 388 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:39,760 She would die. I would die. 389 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:41,040 We'd. All die your. 390 00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:44,080 Voice makes everything slightly less shit so. 391 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,560 Romantic. It would be so good, you guys. 392 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:52,240 OK, but during this conversation is yet another time where one of 393 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,960 them has their finger in their ear because it's hard to hear 394 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,560 the other. It says Robin was also walking 395 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,480 somewhere with heavy traffic and he had his free forefinger in 396 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,120 his opposite ear so as to be able to hear her this. 397 00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:05,240 Is a definite pattern it. Is Yeah. 398 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,000 I'm just sad that she didn't mention his thick fingers again. 399 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,240 She used to do that a lot, yeah. We used to ramp it up. 400 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:12,440 Can. We we can't. 401 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:13,400 Have everything? No. 402 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,000 We'll. Just take it as red that his 403 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:19,160 fingers need the description. Of his fingers I need the chest 404 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:23,120 hair I need the forearms, biceps. 405 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,880 I want to point out that Robin asks where Strike is and he 406 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,480 tells her he's nearly at Leather Lane. 407 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,240 So first I like that she's asking where he is. 408 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,080 Since our last conversation she asked if she gets to know where 409 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,480 he's at at all times, so she's making sure she knows I. 410 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,360 Love that she also tells him where she's going. 411 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,560 Harrods because that's a quality leather. 412 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,240 Lane should sound familiar to everybody because Robin 413 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,320 remembers that Mucky Ritchie lived on Leather Lane. 414 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,040 I think this is a It's another really fun way that JK Rowling 415 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:56,160 is bringing up an old character. I wonder if he's still alive. 416 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,320 Hope not. I can't help but picture him 417 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,320 like the bell guy on Breaking Bad. 418 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,040 Just. Ding Ding, I never watched 419 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,880 Breaking Bad anyone? Who does know Breaking Bad is 420 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:10,440 laughing because they know the Bell guy is an epic moment in 421 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,240 Breaking Bad? All right, we get our first 422 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,080 mention of Sapphire. This conversation about Sapphire 423 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,840 is 100% spot on. Robin solved this mystery with 424 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,880 her late night social media work at Murphy's, which means the 425 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,880 distance from Murphy literally helped her solve this case. 426 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,120 Literally. Not sleeping with Murphy helped 427 00:20:27,120 --> 00:20:29,560 her the. Ways that man not being around 428 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,560 would benefit all of us, especially Robin. 429 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:34,080 But going. To Sapphire. 430 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:38,440 So Sapphire's last name is Neagle, which interested me 431 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:39,640 because I don't I think I've heard it before. 432 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,440 It sounds a bit like Beagle. It does. 433 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:45,240 Sound like Beagle or What's the Harry Potter that I'm thinking 434 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:46,200 of? Oh yeah. 435 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,200 Not the Neffler, the ones that. Find. 436 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,160 Oh that's what I'm thinking of. It literally just starts with an 437 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,600 N It has no sound connecting it whatsoever I think. 438 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,360 There is a creature in Harry Potter that sounds like a 439 00:20:57,360 --> 00:21:00,920 Neagle. There's a nasal nasal anyway. 440 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,520 I looked up the name, apparently it's of Scottish or Irish 441 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:05,640 origin. Same. 442 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,920 Girl, me too. I'm like 30% Irish. 443 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,600 It did the whole test. It could mean son of a swarthy 444 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,520 leader or one who follows the path of a swarthy leader. 445 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,960 Swarthy not much in use anymore. Being someone dark so in 446 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,360 complexion maybe or sometimes in hair. 447 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:26,000 OK, dark hair like. Charlotte is called Dark, Yeah. 448 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,800 So since Sapphire followed Oz of the curly dark hair, she was 449 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,560 following the yellow. Brick Road, his path. 450 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:36,240 As like a replacement for his daughter? 451 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,720 Yeah, air quotes also. And you know, I know this is 452 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,800 nothing, but I still want to say, you know what Neagle 453 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:47,640 spells, if you scramble it up, a little Angel plus an E like E 454 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:53,040 Angel lean, you know, all you need is a vine, like a chain, a 455 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,840 crown, a vine. I'm putting all the pieces 456 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,360 together. Wow, Lord have. 457 00:21:58,360 --> 00:22:00,520 Mercy. Yeah, it's silly nonsense, but. 458 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,360 OK, Young. Woman being kidnapped and 459 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:06,120 trapped in a basement to be abused, you know, and our 460 00:22:06,120 --> 00:22:08,440 thoughts about possible plots. We sleep tight, Evangeline. 461 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,680 I kind of twisted my thoughts into like, oh, maybe this is an 462 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,360 Easter egg. But now that I'm saying it out 463 00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:16,040 loud, I realize it's convoluted, torturous nonsense. 464 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:22,040 Well yeah, I feel like I should just make a tinfoil hat at some 465 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,640 point so I can have. It put on just like. 466 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,080 Do this. Oh my God, you made it and I 467 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:32,280 have shit. Oh my God, they've conspired 468 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,000 listeners. We did. 469 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:38,320 They've conspired to make little tinfoil hats and they look very 470 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,600 silly with them on. Just FYII curled. 471 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,120 The top of mine, very nice. It's so. 472 00:22:44,120 --> 00:22:46,840 Ridiculous. That's very funny, however. 473 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,800 Good bit. Good visual bit for an audio 474 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:53,400 medium, you know, applause. You know, what's really funny 475 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,960 right now is that I forgot that this is where I was going to put 476 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,720 the hat on and just had it. Well, no, I knew that I was 477 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,280 going to do it. But then as you're saying this, 478 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,640 I was like, Dang, this would have been a good time to do 479 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,600 that. I thought it was coming later, 480 00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:10,040 but it turns out it was the right time. 481 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,000 That's very funny. Yeah. 482 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,560 I feel like funny. Keep this. 483 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,680 Keep this around. Yes. 484 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,720 Hilarious. So funny. 485 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:19,840 Little. Shits. 486 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,280 Anyway, that was great. That was worth it. 487 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,160 It's a nice sort of subtle nod to Ink Black Heart that Strike 488 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,240 remembered that the Land Rover was getting its MOT when he 489 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,600 didn't remember that she was moving house in that previous 490 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:34,240 book. Oh. 491 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,760 Just like he helped her move house, he helps her get a new 492 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,920 Land Rover. I think Strike cares about the 493 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,680 Land Rover too. He's not a things person as 494 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,680 we've established. He gets it though. 495 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,480 I think he has a personal interest in Robin having a car 496 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,480 to drive him around. That makes it sound really 497 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:50,280 selfish. It's. 498 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,720 Not I mean they do need it for the business and right he wants. 499 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,640 Her to have a car. It's just nice seeing him making 500 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,480 the effort, you know, every little bit adds up. 501 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,640 Yeah. It says she had a sentimental 502 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,640 attachment to the old car she'd have found. 503 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,360 Hard to explain to anyone who didn't know how much she 504 00:24:05,360 --> 00:24:08,640 associated it with her escape from her first husband, who 505 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,240 never liked it. Woohoo. 506 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,120 And with the career that meant so much to her. 507 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,240 And this just makes it even more sweet that Strike not only 508 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,760 included it on the charm bracelet, but then offered to 509 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,160 help her buy another one. Call me a broken record, but 510 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:22,320 he's great. I love him. 511 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,920 I do as well. But, yeah, I think that Strike 512 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,080 does. I have a connection with the 513 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,440 Land Rover to at least what it gave him. 514 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,960 I'm reminded of that line in Curve Evil where he wonders, and 515 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,720 I'm paraphrasing, you know, hadn't she tasted the freedom or 516 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:36,840 Right. Remember that? 517 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,880 And then he felt safety while being driven for the first time 518 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,480 in a long time. He felt friendship, love. 519 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,320 It's that shared vocation, you know. 520 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:46,560 Oh. Stop. 521 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:47,760 That's so. Sweet. 522 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,440 Yeah, I think the Land Rover special to both of them, Robin. 523 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,840 Thinks about two things. So the Land Rover means two 524 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:59,120 things for her, one, escaping from Matthew and two and two, 525 00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:02,280 her career. It's interesting that she 526 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,440 doesn't think about her actual strongest association with the 527 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,000 car which is sitting in it with Strike. 528 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,680 It was literally her last thought as she drowned Robin. 529 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:16,520 You are thinking around the most significant reason why the Land 530 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,520 Rover is important to you and we all know it. 531 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,960 We can all see it. That's an interesting. 532 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,680 Point so she's it's avoiding thinking about the biggest thing 533 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,400 because, well, she's Robin can't dwell on that for too long or 534 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,000 her real feelings are going to come out. 535 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,280 It seems somehow to mark the end of an era. 536 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,720 And it occurred to him that his Christmas present to Robin might 537 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,000 need rethinking in light of the news of the car's demise. 538 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,200 That reminds me of how you've described the whole car 539 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,760 situation pools. You know that basically that was 540 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,960 their best friend Land Rover. This new one is their couple in 541 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,640 love, Land Rover. Exactly, her friendship is just 542 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,760 getting upgraded with heated seats and Bluetooth. 543 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,680 You know, but. Yeah, that one was her and 544 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,800 Matthew's kind of. Well, not really. 545 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,880 She escaped from Matthew, but Matthew has. 546 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,480 Unfortunately, been in it, Yeah, which? 547 00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:08,360 Like you said, untainted by untainted. 548 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,160 It. Doesn't involve master. 549 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,400 'S tainted with his own blood. Oh my God. 550 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,520 You're going to. Strike is that you're going to. 551 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,520 Say something else. And I was like, please don't 552 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,640 finish that. Sentence means. 553 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,840 Strike blood on it that makes it his and Robbins so. 554 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,680 Strike definitely went back to get the Masonic Orb after 555 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,200 talking to Shanker, but what do you think that he was going to 556 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,520 get, you know, instead of the Land Rover? 557 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,720 Because I'm getting from that previous thing that I just read 558 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,520 that he might have gotten another thing, but what do you 559 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,680 think he would have gotten instead of the Land Rover? 560 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,880 Maybe he's just thinking, oh that will be a good addition or 561 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,440 something. Even if the Land Rover survived, 562 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,920 a Land Rover charm would have been great if. 563 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,160 He did change it up, decide to get the Land Rover, And did he 564 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,000 like replace one? Did he specifically want 7 565 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,720 charms? For the seven years, could you 566 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,000 imagine if we got more insight into like his decision making 567 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,200 process or any any of that? That'd be so cute and I love it. 568 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:10,720 One more note about the Land Rover. 569 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,560 I just love the way that Strike talks about getting a new one 570 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,000 like they're already a unit. You know, it's Robin's car. 571 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,560 She's the one who needs a new car, and he just comes out with 572 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,920 charge some of the new one against the business. 573 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,680 It's good for us to have a car that works well in the country. 574 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,240 So husband of them they're. So married. 575 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,280 I wish that Robin's ears were slightly more open and more 576 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,040 willing to hear the things that he's saying. 577 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,200 Everything that he says is about permanence, and I know that it's 578 00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:39,880 business talk right now. I don't know many business 579 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,840 partners who are so casual about things like this. 580 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,320 Murphy might be squeezing her hand at the side of a toddler 581 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,640 room, but Strike is making practical plans for a future 582 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,560 that Robin actually wants. Oh my. 583 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,920 God, how have I just now realized the parallel between 584 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,120 Murphy's house hunting and strike buying the new Land 585 00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:59,080 Rover? It seems so obvious that, like, 586 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,720 this was the battleground on which Strike and Murphy's war 587 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:08,040 played out in proxy on her home and then her driving around 588 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:12,120 home, the Landy. So Murphy uses noisy neighbors 589 00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:14,280 as an excuse to tie Robin to him. 590 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,440 Like, he doesn't come out and say he's just like, oh, I can 591 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,880 use this to make buying a house together practical. 592 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:20,880 Yeah. Make us seem like we need it. 593 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:25,680 Whereas Strike is responding to an actual need, an actual real 594 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,840 need, and conveniently tying Robin to him at the same time. 595 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:33,240 Murphy is dragging a reluctant Robin through this process 596 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,520 without recognizing she doesn't want it. 597 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,440 Whereas Strike is offering a replacement for something Robin 598 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,720 really loves, understanding her, being considered about her 599 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,200 emotions. Robin goes along with Murphy on 600 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,240 the surface, but inside she's reluctant. 601 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,720 But with Strike, she's outwardly reluctant. 602 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,800 Being like, oh, I can't take that kind of money from you. 603 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,280 Thinking about what? Murphy would say, the argument 604 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,160 around buying it. But inside she really wants it. 605 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,800 She thinks with longing about that secondhand defender, 90, 606 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,200 she saw online. Yeah. 607 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,200 I love it. It's opposites. 608 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,560 Yeah, that's great. If that's not a reflection of 609 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:10,480 something much bigger than a car at a flat, I don't know what is. 610 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:11,240 They're. Symbols. 611 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,480 Yes, and she ends up with the new car. 612 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,120 She sure does. Doesn't end. 613 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,400 Up with a new flat? Yep. 614 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,280 I think we all know who's winning this war. 615 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:19,840 Be real. Who's already won it? 616 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,280 Yeah. I know the other. 617 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,760 Guy just hasn't been informed yet that he lost. 618 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,840 He he still thinks the battles raging and you know, he's 619 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,960 hobbling around on like one. What? 620 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,520 You're gonna say he's. I was gonna say his legs. 621 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,960 Have been cut off and I was like, wait, no, the other like 622 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,080 strikes actually. That was good. 623 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:36,840 That was a good one. Yeah, OK. 624 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,320 Next. We're getting to basically the 625 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,760 meat and the potatoes of this chapter, which is Strikes 626 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,240 interview with Jim Todd. The pub that Todd chose for 627 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,320 their interview is the Craft Beer Co in Clark and, well, 628 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,720 which is why Strike was on Leather Lane Mucky Ricci 629 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,920 territory, as Robin pointed out. That's a very neat connection to 630 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,360 troubled blood there. Yeah. 631 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,960 So I think that it might not be the pub itself giving us clues 632 00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:03,520 for the interviewee this time, but the book can in itself. 633 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,760 So because we're in Clark and well near the place where Ricci 634 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:11,480 lives, lived hopefully, and we know he's responsible for these 635 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,960 horrible crimes against women, this is where we're meeting Jim 636 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,040 Todd. It puts us right back into that 637 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,080 mindset of Ricci. So I'm wondering if this is a 638 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:24,000 clue that he is also a bad man who is responsible for these 639 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,600 crimes against women. Yeah. 640 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,320 I think you're right about that. It's an explicit callback. 641 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,160 It's deliberate to make that connection. 642 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:31,680 It's a very. Cool connection you've made. 643 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,040 So outside the pub there's a 3D model of the Royal Standard 644 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,880 above the door. It says strike glam up at the 645 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:42,360 harp, the Lion Rampant and the Three Lions passant as he 646 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,240 entered the wooden floored space. 647 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,880 So if you're not super familiar with the UKI did look this up 648 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,200 because I wasn't totally sure. The Royal Standard is the 649 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,320 personal banner of the sovereign of the United Kingdom, 650 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,560 representing the monarch and the state. 651 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,000 The harp is for Ireland, The Lyant rampant is for Scotland, 652 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,000 the lion passant for England. Sorry, Wales, not in this. 653 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,480 It's crazy. That whales isn't included 654 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,400 because isn't the Walsh symbol a red dragon they have? 655 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,720 The best flag that's. The most badass animal to have 656 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,120 on a personal banner. I'm sorry. 657 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,120 Way cooler than the heart. Sorry, Ireland, It's a badass. 658 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,240 Flag. There was some explanation of 659 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,680 why when I looked all this up. It had something to do with the 660 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,480 timeline. I honestly didn't care enough to 661 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,200 understand because I read it. Understandable. 662 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,920 I read it with my eyes, but not with my brain. 663 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,040 So yeah. But I think the reason that this 664 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,320 is being pointed out to us is for the lions. 665 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,280 So we have this lion motif going on in the book with the name the 666 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,560 Hallmark Dangerous Dick de Lion. There's lots of lions, yeah. 667 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,480 Actually, I actually had some thoughts about Yellow lions 668 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,760 after reading Iris's blog on Alchemy, which is really good on 669 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,320 our website if you want to go read it. 670 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,160 And I have been working on my own theory about the structure 671 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,040 of the book in the Alchemy Well who? 672 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,040 Are we to fight? Indeed, who are we to fight the 673 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,880 alchemy I. Also had ideas about lions and I 674 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,840 was looking stuff up about them, symbolism and literature and 675 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,320 stuff and the history of lions and literature. 676 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:10,560 OK. I was. 677 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,160 Thinking that we could save this talk for when we run out of 678 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,240 Q&A's. Good idea and we. 679 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,360 Can kind of do stuff at the beginning of those second 680 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,120 episodes that. Makes sense. 681 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:21,840 We'll put a. Pin in it, but actually. 682 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,800 Put a pin in it. And I am, I'm still working on 683 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,960 this, looking that I'm working on, but I see this series as 684 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,520 it's a spiral staircase and there are landings where it 685 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:31,920 makes a turn. You know what? 686 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,600 This reminds me of, you know, that everybody sees the months 687 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,520 of the year differently. Yeah. 688 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:38,920 Like you see. It in your brain. 689 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,360 I don't. See stuff? 690 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,360 I mapped out the stair diagram on PowerPoint so I could 691 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,440 understand and I was moving around things but I don't see it 692 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:48,480 in my head. It dressing crazy. 693 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:49,760 Oh. Interesting. 694 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,440 So you're one of those? I am. 695 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,240 One of those a fantasics, hence. How do you see the months of the 696 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,320 year? I see it going clockwise. 697 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,080 It's January, February, like January starts at around like 698 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,600 the 12:00 position and then just kind of makes its way around 699 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,920 that way. So some people don't see it in a 700 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,280 clock. I think I visualized it that way 701 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,080 because in my first grade class that was how we looked at the 702 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,240 months of the year and I guess it just made a really strong 703 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:17,880 impression. Mine is actually 704 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,320 counterclockwise, but none of it makes sense. 705 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,760 The distance. In my head we get to October, 706 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,640 but counterclockwise about 10:00 if you're going backwards. 707 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,200 So it means all of most of the year is scrambled into one side, 708 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,600 and then it's just November. December is the whole other half 709 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,360 of the clock, which makes no sense, but that's how I see it. 710 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,120 I don't know why. Anyway, that was a random aside. 711 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,080 We get a description of Jim Todd. 712 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:50,120 Short and very rotund, Todd had small hands and feet, tiny blue 713 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,800 eyes, a wide thin lipped mouth, and patches of fluffy grayish 714 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,880 hair around his ears. Though he was otherwise bald, he 715 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,120 was wearing old trousers, A grubby looking jacket, and his 716 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,240 pinprick eyes were fixed on a young woman in a very short 717 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:04,960 skirt who is standing by the bar. 718 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,280 I am 100% picturing Tweedledee and or Tweedledum. 719 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,199 Also kind of a frog, but Tweedledee and Tweedledum look 720 00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:15,040 like a frog with their long, wide mouth. 721 00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:18,560 I think I'm going to have to adopt that as my head cannon for 722 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,320 what Todd looks like. Just a pervy Tweedledee. 723 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,239 It's like a real life Tweedledee or Tweedledum. 724 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,400 I prefer calling him Tweedledum. I think is is appropriate. 725 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,719 Yeah. Tweedle pedophile, Tweedo peed. 726 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,239 I. Him fighting a visceral urge to 727 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,400 reach the book and smack him to get his his creepy dirty eyes 728 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,320 off of that woman. What a clear way to signal to 729 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,560 the reader that this guy's a creep. 730 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,719 You can. See why Griff likes the guy? 731 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,880 Yeah, it is a good sign that Pamela was correct in her 732 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,719 observation. She said he's she thinks he's 733 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,159 clearly a creep or something. Or he's clearly AI. 734 00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:57,360 Don't know what word she used. No, she does not like him. 735 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,640 So that does help kind of give her more credibility. 736 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,280 Yeah, Todd is really annoying during this interview, and the 737 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,880 grinning is very creepy. I wonder if he's doing it 738 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,840 because he thinks he's getting away with something. 739 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,960 I think he feels very important to know something that the 740 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,880 famous Corman strike doesn't know. 741 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,200 And he probably thinks that, yeah, that they're going to get 742 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:18,720 away with it. He's such a prick. 743 00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:21,480 Take that guy. He's going to learn other. 744 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,320 Well, no, he's not going to learn otherwise because he's 745 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:24,720 going to be fucking dead. That. 746 00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:26,720 Does kind of suck. Murdered pretty soon. 747 00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:27,920 Yeah. It does suck he won't face 748 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:28,800 justice. Yeah. 749 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,520 Strike shows Todd pictures of three missing men. 750 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,520 So we got Niall Semple, Tyler Powell and Dick the Lion. 751 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,880 The only one that he doesn't have a reaction to and just 752 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,040 slightly shakes his head is Tyler. 753 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,280 So with Semple he says, oh I know that's the soldier with the 754 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,440 lion. He laughs, asks if he's a 755 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,800 stripper. He feels comfortable making 756 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,000 these comments about them because there's no connection to 757 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,840 him. I feel like I should have 758 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,800 realized that him saying nothing about Tyler was a sign that he 759 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,560 was afraid to say something that might show a connection or 760 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,120 knowledge of him. That makes sense. 761 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:03,880 Yeah. It's. 762 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,040 So easy to see in hindsight, but when you're reading, unless you 763 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,080 know he does know who the real right is and he's just trying to 764 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,880 throw a strike off the scent, you know, it could have been 765 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,800 that Tyler's photo didn't look like right. 766 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,800 So it's so hard to catch the first time around and so 767 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,640 incredibly obvious on the second. 768 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,800 Should I just read these books assuming everybody they talked 769 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,760 to is the murderer and then I won't miss stuff like this? 770 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:29,120 Probably this part was fun to read about Temple 17 because Joe 771 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,840 had given us that clue that this was the important temple. 772 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,600 I guess she can't really go into too much detail when she's 773 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,000 giving us clues. It wasn't really important to 774 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,560 the book as much as mentioned. It was the mentioned temple, but 775 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,360 we really lost our minds when we looked that one up and there was 776 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,000 a swan inside and we didn't even go there. 777 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,040 In the book, it was just to mention. 778 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:55,480 She's such a tease. The amount of maniacal cackling 779 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,120 coming from her office reading our guesses had to have been 780 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,360 really incredible to witness. I remember seeing that swan and 781 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,640 just losing my whole mind as I'm sure she anticipated she. 782 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,280 Knew she knew I. Don't see though, why Tyler was 783 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,160 interested in it, unless it has something to do with protecting 784 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,240 people, but I'm not sure how those temples work. 785 00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:17,280 Or yeah, I don't know, I mean. The oldest lodges in London meet 786 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,120 there. Maybe he thought that they'd be 787 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,560 his best hope of protection. Maybe in his research into the 788 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,680 Masons he found some reason for trying to join those specific 789 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,360 lodges. But I haven't figured it out 790 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,680 yet, Tyler. Could have just been throwing 791 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,160 anything out there to make it seem credible. 792 00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:35,040 There's a bit here where Strike asked Todd if William Wright 793 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,600 ever mentioned that someone might come looking for him. 794 00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:40,200 Todd tells Strike the opposite was true, because there was a 795 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:44,040 large man hanging around that Todd had warned Wright about, 796 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,280 but Wright didn't seem to care, and so Todd assumed Air quotes. 797 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,800 This was his accomplice. Did we ever find out? 798 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,000 If he's just making all this up, I'm certain he. 799 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:53,760 Was. Yeah. 800 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,800 He's trying to make Strike believe the story that Wright 801 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,160 was a criminal. I bet Griffs has been in touch 802 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,240 with him and told him to come up with stuff to muddy the waters 803 00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:03,560 and direct Strike somewhere else. 804 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,400 Yeah. And it makes sense he'd say 805 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,920 large man, too, because opposite of Griffs. 806 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,080 Yeah. For me, the clear indication 807 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,440 Todd's lying is because when Strike asks if he told the 808 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,320 police, he's like, yeah, I think I did. 809 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,320 Yeah. And then he took another gulp of 810 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:19,960 beer. Yes, yes. 811 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,360 So at the end of you, he's swigging his beer whenever he's 812 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,840 lying as a cover. Although near the end of it, 813 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,600 when he's lying about knowing McGee, he overcompensates and 814 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,160 then just stares directly at Strike the whole time. 815 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:31,360 So he's not good. I was. 816 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,480 Wondering if the beer was a tell, but then I was second 817 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,600 guessing myself. Yeah, same here. 818 00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:38,080 That's a great catch. I bet Strike picked up on it 819 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:38,920 too. OK. 820 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:43,200 I need a refresher even though I've had millions of refreshers. 821 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,720 The man with the dark curly hair is Oz, which is Griffs or Wade 822 00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:50,840 King well. Oz is griffs and he has a wig 823 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:52,880 that's dark curly hair. I think so. 824 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:57,200 When Strike asked Todd if this large man he claims he saw 825 00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,840 outside the silver shop had dark curly hair, do you think that 826 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,120 shook him up a bit? Because his response is what? 827 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,600 No straight hair? Who's got dark curly hair? 828 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,440 It just, it comes off as defensive to me, no. 829 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,920 Yeah, I fully believe that you're right. 830 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,560 And it did throw him. Strike thinks that Todd was the 831 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,040 one who knew the most about Griffs, which is why he had to 832 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,760 die. So I think he did know about Oz. 833 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,520 He did know about the wig and the whole thing. 834 00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:22,360 There's. A couple of other things towards 835 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,320 the end of the chapter when Strike mentions Oz by name, 836 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,280 where Todd also seems defensive to me. 837 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,320 Yeah, it definitely makes Todd put his back up. 838 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,760 Whenever Oz is mentioned more about the beer, Strike mentions 839 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,520 Larry McGee, the delivery driver. 840 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,520 It's obvious in hindsight, but when he says who and then he 841 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,040 grabs his beard, tied his face, there's the mention of was when 842 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,680 talking about McGee. Like the guy's a terrible liar. 843 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,360 He has. So many tells he must lose that 844 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,280 poker a lot I'm. Just so curious about how this 845 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,840 guy's weekend went because I just cannot relate to someone 846 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,800 who helped plan a murder then has to go in on Monday morning 847 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,440 and pretend it's all fine. I just can't get over it. 848 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,720 I. Think that people like Todd and 849 00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:08,040 Griffs get a sense of power and a thrill from their crimes, 850 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,840 right? They don't feel anxiety or guilt 851 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,200 like your I would. It excites them to know that 852 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,400 they know there's corpse down there that's, you know, easy. 853 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,080 I could imagine this guy being eager for Monday morning because 854 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,440 he feels so powerful walking around knowing that Tyler's 855 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,920 body's in the vault and my anxiety could never. 856 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,680 I know that we should feel good about that, that we can't 857 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,120 understand this. It just blows my mind, Yeah, 858 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,760 that these people exist. OK, so maybe this is a little 859 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,000 bit of a silly question, but how do you manage to come down the 860 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,240 stairs to clean the bathroom and you don't smell a dead body? 861 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,080 But I guess it was inside the vault. 862 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,760 If the vault was really secure, it might have held this smell 863 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,680 really well. I'm going to go out on a limb 864 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,480 and guess that it probably wasn't very secure, but there 865 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,840 are, I guess, any number of excuses he could have given for 866 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,000 not having smelled it. The cleaning chemicals. 867 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,560 Maybe he thought, oh, there's a dead rat or something, or a 868 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,320 recent cold something. It would have been a good 869 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:06,840 question for Shrike to ask, though. 870 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,920 What a. Body smell that much after a 871 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,160 weekend. I'm assuming that since the 872 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,120 vaults in the basement it's quite chilly I. 873 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,200 Think so. There's probably a lot of 874 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:16,880 factors. Time to Google. 875 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,360 When do dead bodies start to smell? 876 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,200 Oh, no one in my life gets murdered anytime soon because 877 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:27,800 that's incriminating as hell. Chase is safe for another few 878 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:28,160 months. Oh. 879 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,560 No, I mean I think it's a perfectly normal thing to 880 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,680 Google, OK. The Internet says that usually 881 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:38,400 there's a noticeable odor from 24 to 72 hours after death, but 882 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,320 it can be longer if it's cold, so I'll go ahead and believe the 883 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,040 vault was just very chilly. This. 884 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,480 Discussion just reminds me of this field trip that I had to 885 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,680 take my senior year of high school for my AP biology class 886 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,760 because we saw somebody get a quadruple bypass surgery. 887 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,800 And the smell. I remember you. 888 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,520 Yeah. When they cracked open that 889 00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:00,800 sucker's chest, the smell was really something else. 890 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,160 I don't think that I'll ever forget it. 891 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,600 And we were in the space above the surgery theater. 892 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,680 We weren't, like, in there or anything, but God, I can't 893 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:12,320 imagine how much more it would have smelled if I was in the OR. 894 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,880 But oh man, the inside of a body does not smell good. 895 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,120 I've. Never thought of the inside of 896 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,680 bodies having a smell, but of course they do. 897 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,520 I don't like that it's not. Like that I don't. 898 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,880 Like it shocked. That you don't like that Just 899 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,600 like how? The inside of our bodies are wet 900 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,760 all the time. I don't like thinking about 901 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,600 that. That's uncomfortable knowledge 902 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:32,640 for me. There's. 903 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,680 Another part where they're talking about what was done to 904 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,960 the body. I've made assumptions that his 905 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:42,040 hands and probably his ears were cut off because they could help 906 00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,560 identify him, but for the first time I'm wondering if there was 907 00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,800 something more to the eyes and the penis being cut off because 908 00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:53,920 Tyler was in love with Chloe and trying to save her from Griffs. 909 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:55,680 People said they're boyfriend girlfriend right? 910 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,040 So they probably had a romantic and intimate relationship. 911 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:03,240 I wonder if Griffs was making a statement about what was his. 912 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:04,760 I think. You're right about that, it's 913 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,920 like a punishment for Darren to think he could interfere with 914 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,680 Griffs property. Exactly. 915 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,640 Emasculating Tyler literally makes Griffs feel like he's 916 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,440 taking the power back you. Guys know how much I love when 917 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,400 Strike flips back in his notebook during an interview, 918 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:20,200 Yeah. I. 919 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:21,720 Love it, it's one of my favorite. 920 00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:23,480 Interview. Techniques. 921 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,280 It's a. Sexy power move as opposed to a 922 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,680 pathetic insecure power move. I don't. 923 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,280 Know if he's using this technique here if he just 924 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:35,680 genuinely is checking his notes. But this one cracks me up either 925 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,560 way because what he asks Todd was just unexpected. 926 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,280 So he flips back and says just a couple of things. 927 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,120 He flicked back a page in his notebook. 928 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,160 Why did you call William Wright a silly tit earlier? 929 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,400 Unexpected question. Why do you think he asked that? 930 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,560 I think. Because doing that suggests more 931 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,760 knowledge of Wright and more investment than Todd claims to 932 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,480 have. Because there's no clear reason 933 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,160 for him to think that Wright was a silly tit based on what he's 934 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,400 told strikes. So why does he think it before? 935 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,440 We end the chapter. I can't help but notice that 936 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,240 there seems to be a weird sense of loyalty from Todd towards 937 00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:10,320 Kenneth Ramsey. Yeah, there is. 938 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,680 I noticed that as well. Kenneth is like one of the few 939 00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,920 people that he actually speaks well of. 940 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:19,080 Yeah, he reiterates a couple of times what a nice man he is, and 941 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,040 I don't doubt that that's true, but it's strange coming from a 942 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,520 man like Todd. I just wouldn't expect him to 943 00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,800 value kindness. Quite the opposite. 944 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,320 My best guess is that Ramsey offers a consistent paycheck and 945 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:34,320 is blind to who Todd actually is, which works out really well 946 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,680 for him, so therefore he likes him. 947 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,440 I guess that tracks. OK chapter 29. 948 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,680 All right. In chapter 29, Robin meets Albie 949 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,800 Simpson White and has that first gorilla related attack, the 950 00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,120 upper. Graph to this chapter reads the 951 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,680 souls of the vicious dead passed into the bodies of those animals 952 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,160 to whose nature their vices had most affinity. 953 00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:00,120 This doctrine probably referred those figures of animals and 954 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,480 monsters which were exhibited to the initiate and that's from 955 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,200 Morals and dogma of the Ancient and accepted Scottish Rite of 956 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,240 Freemasonry by Albert Pike. The. 957 00:45:09,240 --> 00:45:12,120 Figures of animals in this epigraph seems to be referencing 958 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,680 the gorilla figure, I think from this chapter. 959 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,320 I know it's not exactly the same, but the feeling that I get 960 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,400 from the epigraph is that all the evil and the violence that 961 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,640 was done by Robin's rapist and by Griffs has been put into this 962 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:28,960 little toy gorilla that's forced into her hand and it's put on 963 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,040 exhibit for her. I don't know if that makes 964 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,120 sense, but that's the feeling that I have that makes sense. 965 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:34,800 Yeah. Yeah. 966 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,160 Agreed, that makes perfect sense in such a poetic description. 967 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:42,000 And the monster who grabs Robin, he has an affinity to the rapist 968 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,080 who's locked away in prison. So he's sort of an extension of 969 00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,600 the rapist and what he's doing to Robin here getting. 970 00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,600 Into the chapter. It begins with Robin visiting 971 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,320 Harrods and she finds Alby. I have a break in my color 972 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:58,280 pattern here because Robin's outside and there's green and 973 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,880 gold, which doesn't fit with what I was saying before. 974 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:03,480 Do I remember what I was saying before? 975 00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,720 Not really. Blue and gold strike green and 976 00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:08,920 silver Robin, but I think it was more gold. 977 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,600 The silver and gold well. Sometimes color is just a color. 978 00:46:13,720 --> 00:46:14,600 There's the. Fun in that. 979 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,920 However, having said that, I did find some very interesting bits 980 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,960 about color in this alchemical dictionary that was reading 981 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,200 through. So the color blue or Azure 982 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,240 occurs in alchemy as the color of the pure and incorruptible 983 00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:34,880 quintessence or Fifth element. Not the Bruce Willis film, 984 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,200 although that element was love, that was. 985 00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:39,680 A good movie. That was a good movie. 986 00:46:39,720 --> 00:46:42,040 I've seen that. So many fucking ties are gonna. 987 00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,280 Be shocked, you've never. Seen it of course. 988 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:45,680 I haven't. And you know what's so funny? 989 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,040 So many people have been responding to me saying that 990 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,000 I've never heard that Christmas song and literally. 991 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,240 Everyone in the world has heard that song, no? 992 00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:55,760 I have had a couple people say they've never heard it either, 993 00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,200 but is anyone surprised by this at this point? 994 00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:02,040 It surprised me that it was surprising. 995 00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:04,800 I still can't believe that you've watched Breaking Bad but 996 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,480 you've never seen The Fifth Element. 997 00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,320 I had to have something to do at work. 998 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,840 I would never have expected you in a million years to have ever 999 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,200 watched Breaking Bad. That does not seem like a show 1000 00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,720 that it just doesn't watch. Why? 1001 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,560 It's crime, it is. Crime because. 1002 00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,640 It's popular. There's a lot of stuff that like 1003 00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:27,480 seems like part of the general sort of like pop culture. 1004 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,200 I don't not watch things just because they're popular. 1005 00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,840 Well, it's just like there's just seen things that everybody 1006 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,080 seems to have seen that you're like, I've never seen this. 1007 00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,560 I'm like, I wouldn't expect you to have watched Breaking Bad 1008 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,600 because of, yeah, it's something that a lot of people have seen 1009 00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,640 that. I've never seen Breaking Bad on 1010 00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,320 the other. Does that surprise you that I've 1011 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:46,440 never seen it? Well. 1012 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,600 It is and it isn't because you do know all the things things 1013 00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,280 and all the shows, but you don't like things that are popular I. 1014 00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,960 Like, I like lots of popular things. 1015 00:47:57,720 --> 00:48:00,640 I think you have a nature, a nature. 1016 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,120 I have a nature, a pretentious. Hipster nature you have. 1017 00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,520 A nature. I'll get to it when I get to it. 1018 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:07,800 I'm just going to. Restart the quote. 1019 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,960 OK, The color blue or Azure occurs in alchemy as the color 1020 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,160 of the pure and incorruptible quintessence or fifth element, 1021 00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,720 the dying tincture. Another prominent color of the 1022 00:48:17,720 --> 00:48:21,000 opus is green, which is associated with Venus and the 1023 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,880 Green Lion. The color green signifies that 1024 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:29,200 the matter in the alembic is still immature or unripe in the 1025 00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,560 same way that unripe fruit is green. 1026 00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:32,600 Yes. It. 1027 00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,440 Also signifies the principle of fertility and growth, which is a 1028 00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,240 crucial property of the transforming Arcanum and the 1029 00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:40,920 Philosopher's stone. The Alchemist stated that only 1030 00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,960 from green gold, like green gold, the living fertile seed, 1031 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,360 could true gold be grown. OK, see when I'm. 1032 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:49,440 You see where I'm going with this? 1033 00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,520 Well, when? You say green and ripe. 1034 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,360 I do keep going. I found it interesting because 1035 00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:00,080 of the green dress, right? We loved it as a gift. 1036 00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,160 We still love it, but it was immature or unright. 1037 00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,080 Not immature as in like childish, but immature as in the 1038 00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,600 beginning of their relationship. The first attempt at a gift like 1039 00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,760 it was meaningful and beautiful, but Strike still kind of 1040 00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,480 regretted it because he wanted thinking he never see her again. 1041 00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,400 And Robin only ever got to wear it once before Matthew ripped it 1042 00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,200 right? So it was green. 1043 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,240 But there's hope. Out of green grows the true 1044 00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:24,680 gold. The green gold becomes true 1045 00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,880 gold. We also know how often blue is 1046 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,680 associated with them. And that fifth element slash, 1047 00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,240 the quintessence, is, according to the same dictionary, the 1048 00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:37,640 product of reconciling the four worn, quarreling elements into 1049 00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:39,480 one harmonious and perfect unity. 1050 00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,800 The very essence of the body of the metal or stone, the 1051 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:47,000 incorruptible, the pure and original substance of the world, 1052 00:49:47,240 --> 00:49:50,480 the mercurial water, is soft and blue, and that's a whole thing. 1053 00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,880 That's the fundamental stuff, the blue. 1054 00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,760 So my mind is a little blown with this because he is Cormoran 1055 00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:01,040 Blue from the beginning for alchemical reasons and the dress 1056 00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:05,200 is green for alchemical reasons. I'm almost feeling like her 1057 00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,680 dress will be repaired with a gold string. 1058 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,680 And although that seems very unrealistic, but if the green is 1059 00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:15,000 the immature or the unripe and alchemy is about breaking it 1060 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:19,480 down, her dress was broken down literally, which means that we 1061 00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:25,280 must see it repaired into the golden if the symbolism is, if 1062 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,680 it's there, if we're correct and how we're looking at it, looking 1063 00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,520 at. Robin's like Robin's significant 1064 00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,480 dresses. So there was the green one, 1065 00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,320 there was the old blue one she had that was years old but 1066 00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:39,000 strikes thought she looked particularly sexy in She wore it 1067 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,120 on a detective success and at the Ritz. 1068 00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,200 So those are two green blue. And now her latest dress is a 1069 00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:48,280 dusty pink, which is almost at red, which is the final stage 1070 00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,440 with gold. Rubito is the red, but it's not 1071 00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,120 quite there because it's pink, right? 1072 00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,360 Maybe. Oh my God, what if the Robin 1073 00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,200 gets hit by a bus series, right, and Robin's pink dress is ruined 1074 00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,760 because she gets blood all over it, making it red. 1075 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,000 Is she? Wearing that dress, yeah. 1076 00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:04,720 She's wearing that dress at the end of the book when she goes to 1077 00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:08,120 the Reds of Murphy and when she wears like a gorgeous gold dress 1078 00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:09,440 at some point. Yeah, I'm. 1079 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,120 Going to be on high alert. A dress of any fucking color. 1080 00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:14,320 Let's. Come back to it. 1081 00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:15,320 Yeah. Coming back, we'll put a. 1082 00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:16,200 Pin. For. 1083 00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,880 Real put it on the list. Put on the list I'm. 1084 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,440 Definitely keeping anyway. So it says that she's been 1085 00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,040 inside Harrods twice before for sightseeing purposes. 1086 00:51:25,240 --> 00:51:28,280 I too have been there. For that reason, I have never 1087 00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,880 been there. I'll be honest, I was definitely 1088 00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,160 the most interested in the food floor. 1089 00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,880 I'm just shocked, shocking. I know you're. 1090 00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,840 Not going to believe this, but I too went to Harrods for the 1091 00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,760 purpose of sightseeing and I also was primarily focused on 1092 00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,280 the food floor. Crazy we are. 1093 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,400 Consistent, very unbrilled really are. 1094 00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,440 I'm really interested in the imagery when Robin is searching 1095 00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,720 for Albie and it says that floor by floor, Robin ascended the 1096 00:51:53,720 --> 00:51:57,160 Egyptian staircase, which had golden ox Pharaohs and 1097 00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,000 consolations on its walls and ceilings. 1098 00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:04,600 If it had said descending, I'd be spiraling right now with the 1099 00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,080 psyche thing. But it's just so pretty. 1100 00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,040 Just the description of it. I didn't. 1101 00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,960 Realize this, there must be some kind of alchemical thing because 1102 00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,920 I was reading another book by Marie Something something. 1103 00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:20,480 Is she going over like 3 ancient alchemical texts and explaining 1104 00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,880 some stuff to do with the alchemy and the subconscious or 1105 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,240 something? But one of them is Egyptian and 1106 00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:28,520 like one of them has been Greek but it's Isis so it's like a 1107 00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,440 translation. So it all goes back to like 1108 00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,040 Egypt somehow. Interesting SO. 1109 00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,560 That just hit me now because I've just been reading that 1110 00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:37,920 book. I'm like, oh, Egypt. 1111 00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,800 Egypt is like alchemy. That's where it started. 1112 00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:42,920 And. Also the colors because I looked 1113 00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,600 it up, it's all blue and gold, which are the strike colors, but 1114 00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,520 that she's going up. So this is very. 1115 00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,360 Interesting to me, yeah. You. 1116 00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:54,040 Know about the descendant. If she goes up now, she must 1117 00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,800 descend later. At the end of the book she does 1118 00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,280 go down the set of stairs in totally different circumstances, 1119 00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,160 like not beautiful or grand but her heaven runs after her to 1120 00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:07,840 meet her halfway as. Far as Robin's search for Albie 1121 00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:14,320 Man, searching the store for 2 1/2 hours to find somebody takes 1122 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,720 some serious dedication and patience. 1123 00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:18,600 She got her steps in for the day. 1124 00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,240 He sure did. I sure certainly hope so. 1125 00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,040 I. Could not do Robin's job. 1126 00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,600 This is I'd have tapped out after 10 minutes in there. 1127 00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:30,000 My attention span could never. It sounds horrible just. 1128 00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,840 The Walking I know how you feel about walking just. 1129 00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:37,720 The Walking being in a crowded store for 2 1/2 hours at 1130 00:53:37,720 --> 00:53:39,360 Christmas. Not just normal crowded 1131 00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,840 Christmas crowded. Which also means you're wearing 1132 00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,680 your winter coat. Absolutely fucking not. 1133 00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,560 Genuinely, I think I'd rather break a leg. 1134 00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,040 But I do have one question about this part in the book. 1135 00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,280 So it says that Alby is helping a mother. 1136 00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:53,760 Is this a? Really serious question. 1137 00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,720 I feel like I feel like we're about to be very serious right 1138 00:53:56,720 --> 00:53:57,040 now. Got my. 1139 00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,400 Serious face on it says that Alby's helping a mother and 1140 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,160 teenage daughter find the correct size of riding breeches 1141 00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:06,040 while standing next to a life-size fiberglass horse. 1142 00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,680 Now, I know that this is probably a ridiculous thing to 1143 00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:14,520 think, but is there any chance that this is a testing horse 1144 00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,520 that you could climb on to see if the breeches are comfy, like 1145 00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,040 in a riding position? Because if not, it should be. 1146 00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,440 I highly doubt it. Did I actually try to find a 1147 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,160 picture of this horse? Yes, I did. 1148 00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:29,040 What did you No, Oh no. So if. 1149 00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:33,240 Anybody has it or is close and can go look? 1150 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,200 I would love to see what this horse looks like Yeah. 1151 00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,800 For no other reason that it's in the book and I can't find it. 1152 00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,080 But my question is what is a riding breach? 1153 00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:47,840 They're like very, very tight pants that you can wear while 1154 00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,680 you're wearing riding boots on a horse and I bet that strike 1155 00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:55,600 would like to see Robin and some Oh, I imagine so riding breaches 1156 00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,000 job first. Doesn't matter which one let's. 1157 00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,280 Hope they have some reason to go riding in book 9 we've. 1158 00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,240 Been hoping for it since Career of Evil. 1159 00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:04,480 I think I shall. Continue to hope, yeah. 1160 00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,400 I'm sure there's a way to test them without climbing on a 1161 00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,520 life-size fiberglass horse though. 1162 00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,880 Probably, but is there a way to test them that's more fun than 1163 00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:14,680 climbing on a giant fiberglass horse? 1164 00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:19,040 No, I think. Not Robin leaves Harrods and the 1165 00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:23,680 text that she gets with her father and the new puppy Betty 1166 00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,280 is so cute. I just love that both of their 1167 00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,600 dogs are named after British confectioners. 1168 00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,640 That's just too cute, Linda. With the eye rolling emoji made 1169 00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:32,600 me laugh. Me. 1170 00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:34,240 Too. Silkworm Linda right there. 1171 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,200 Yeah. It is the return of silkworm 1172 00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,920 Linda who we left. Betty is a great name for a dog. 1173 00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,760 My dad and I disagree on this, but I really like people names 1174 00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:44,960 for dogs because I find it hilarious. 1175 00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,520 You know, imagine having a dog and being like, come be your 1176 00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,760 dentist. That's so funny to me. 1177 00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:51,800 It is. People names are good. 1178 00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:55,120 Food names are also good. This kind of fits both Betty my. 1179 00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,440 Youngest dog's name is Fred. The way you said youngest makes 1180 00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:02,520 it sound like it's a child. My youngest, Fred, is a good 1181 00:56:02,720 --> 00:56:06,960 name, but for reasons I cannot explain, it works well for a 1182 00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:08,640 dog. It's not weird enough. 1183 00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:13,040 Like, Thomas would be weird, but I love it. 1184 00:56:13,720 --> 00:56:14,720 Jeremy. Thomas. 1185 00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:16,240 Alfred. Jeremy. 1186 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:21,520 You know, there are some names that work for dogs and some 1187 00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,280 names that were just too human for dogs. 1188 00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:26,200 You know? Come here, Kathleen. 1189 00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,080 Like, come on. No one's naming their dog 1190 00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:33,840 Kathleen. It's charming that they have a 1191 00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:35,800 little pattern for naming their dogs. 1192 00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,000 And also, we still don't know what's hunt about Michael 1193 00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,760 Ellicott, but we do know that he was not going to sit around and 1194 00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,600 be sad about Roundtree. He was getting himself a new 1195 00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,200 puppy. Yeah, he must be an animal 1196 00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,160 person because we know he likes sheep but doesn't shag him. 1197 00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,480 He needs a new puppy. Hopefully that rule applies to 1198 00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,640 the puppy as well. Do you think we'll ever get to 1199 00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,480 properly meet Michael Ellicott? Like is he going to have some 1200 00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,720 words of dad advice at a key moment for Robin? 1201 00:57:01,720 --> 00:57:03,760 Because I'd love to see it but I don't know if it'll happen 1202 00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,680 because he's been pretty silent in the background so far. 1203 00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:08,240 I. Don't know. 1204 00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:12,280 I would love to see it. I would love to see him being 1205 00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,080 the the quiet voice of reason to Linda. 1206 00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,080 I'd love to see him maybe witnessing Strike and Robin 1207 00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,600 together and and saying well she's clearly happier with him 1208 00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,240 then that would be so cute. I feel like that would just be a 1209 00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:28,520 quiet dad thing to do. So in my head that's what's 1210 00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,800 going to happen. I don't know if it will for real 1211 00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,080 though. I'm hoping and I'm manifesting 1212 00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,040 it. I feel like we've seen so much 1213 00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:38,280 of Linda and Robin's other siblings but not really a whole 1214 00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,960 lot of her father and I feel like that could be for like plot 1215 00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:46,360 related reasons like about the whole lack of Lorelei or Coco in 1216 00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,320 a book that's all about strike sexes do. 1217 00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,920 You think Lorelei's gonna have? You already said that and I 1218 00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:52,040 forgot. Yeah. 1219 00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,160 Not that she'll come back, but we talked about the whole reason 1220 00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,240 why he didn't say I love you kind of his relationship with 1221 00:57:58,240 --> 00:57:59,160 Lorelei. A breakup. 1222 00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:00,720 Yeah. I think they'll have to talk 1223 00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:04,640 about that because it includes the vow, The vow, the vow. 1224 00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,520 All of this leads up to the worst part of the chapter, which 1225 00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:12,160 is the attack on Robin. And this was so terrifying to 1226 00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,240 read, especially after she realizes what's been put into 1227 00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,240 her hand. This was just one of those 1228 00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,520 moments where I had to stop reading for a few minutes and 1229 00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,800 like remind myself to breathe and that this is not real it. 1230 00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,360 Seems extra scary to me because it's happening to her in the 1231 00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:30,600 middle of a super crowded store, right out of in the open and no 1232 00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,920 one notices. And the suddenness of it, the 1233 00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,320 strength of the grip so that she can't even turn her head, and 1234 00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:41,880 the specific detail of fingers height on her carotid artery. 1235 00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:46,640 Really visceral and terrifying. Yeah. 1236 00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,080 I'll tell you this, Joe knows how to write a thrilling novel. 1237 00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,480 She sure does, you know, And I'm not the least surprised that 1238 00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,880 Robin ends up never feeling safe by the end of the book, because 1239 00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:56,720 this is the first attack and I'm done. 1240 00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,720 I'm like, no thanks, I'm good. Tapping out, can I? 1241 00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,360 Put a pause on the man who attacked her really quickly and 1242 00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,240 say how upset I was at the lady for yelling at her to watch 1243 00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:08,080 where she's going. I get it because she was holding 1244 00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:12,040 a toddler and sometimes as mothers our instincts are to 1245 00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:14,840 react to protect our kids. So I've been in similar 1246 00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:18,880 situations but when Robin says someone pushed her and she seems 1247 00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,520 obviously I'm sure she seemed shaken up. 1248 00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:25,760 I'm thinking do better lady. I can only hope if I'm ever in 1249 00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:29,240 that situation and another woman has just been attacked and I 1250 00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:33,400 happen to be the one who gets bumped into, my response is not 1251 00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:37,720 to be nasty to her, but to be someone who helps and supports 1252 00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,240 her, right? The woman's reaction just really 1253 00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,160 bothered me. Maybe it's because I've been 1254 00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:47,960 guilty of having snap reactions sometimes and it's a bad look 1255 00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:49,640 when you see it from this perspective. 1256 00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,120 I just don't want to be that Lady I feel. 1257 00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:53,680 You on this? Because I, too, have been guilty 1258 00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,520 of snapping at people instead of taking a breath and thinking 1259 00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,200 about what's going on with them. But, you know, if it's something 1260 00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,480 you're worrying about, then at least that means you're trying. 1261 01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:03,480 So that's a good sign. Yeah. 1262 01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:04,280 And. That's got to count for 1263 01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,520 something. I want to the one to go fight 1264 01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,920 the man, you know, I'm like, yeah, do I need to roll up for 1265 01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:11,960 hands? Yeah, hold my earrings. 1266 01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:14,800 Exactly. I'm also learning a ton about 1267 01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,520 ADHD now that that's a thing that's happening. 1268 01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,640 The amount of times that I've seen an Instagram meme about 1269 01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:24,720 triggering ADHD rage and thinking I'm not just a jerk 1270 01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:28,880 sometimes, oh, my gosh, I'm amazed. 1271 01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,000 It's actually good news. Yeah. 1272 01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,800 You know, there's actually a a reason. 1273 01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,360 Yeah. I like that Joe took the time to 1274 01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:39,320 specifically mention here that Robin's rapist was sentenced to 1275 01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,480 life in prison and that all of his applications for parole were 1276 01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,760 refused. Because I know that there's 1277 01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:47,120 definitely been some theories going around that he could pop 1278 01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,320 back up for a long time. You're right. 1279 01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,600 I didn't even really connect that because I was never one 1280 01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:55,160 that thought anything was going to happen with him again. 1281 01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,280 And I just, I didn't like those theories because obviously I 1282 01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,360 don't want that for her. So I'm thrilled that you've 1283 01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,240 pointed this out because I didn't even notice it. 1284 01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:04,520 Thank goodness this is. Also, the first time we've 1285 01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:07,280 learned for sure that he killed some of his other victims. 1286 01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:10,560 Like it was kind of implied when Robin said, yeah, it was implied 1287 01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:13,920 when Robin said I survived him. But now we know for sure that he 1288 01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,960 attacked six women and killed two of them, I thought. 1289 01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,760 For sure, we knew that. I don't think we did before 1290 01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,320 this. Maybe not in book Canon I think 1291 01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:23,960 didn't there? Wasn't there a reference to that 1292 01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:25,400 in the TV series? Maybe. 1293 01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,160 Yeah, so I'm pretty sure this first time we learned in the 1294 01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:31,360 books that he killed two women. But it turns out that even with 1295 01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,120 the rapist in prison, you know, even if he's never getting on 1296 01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:37,960 parole, Robin can still be horrifically re traumatized by 1297 01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:39,840 someone using their knowledge of the rape against her. 1298 01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:41,840 So. Don't even need. 1299 01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,360 To let the rapist out, to have that happen, the. 1300 01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:47,720 Fact that Robin had the presence of mind despite how rattled and 1301 01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:51,360 scared she is, here to keep the gorilla figure because it might 1302 01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:53,760 have her assailant's DNA on it is impressive. 1303 01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,200 Well, she is Robin. She's been doing this since 1304 01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:58,960 Cuckoo's Calling when Strike was getting the death threats from 1305 01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:00,840 the one guy which I love. She. 1306 01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:02,480 Did do the same thing. Yeah. 1307 01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:04,800 Put it in plastic and stick it in the drawer. 1308 01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,560 She's very cute. Robin's reaction about who to 1309 01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:12,160 call about this attack is just reminding me of her experiences 1310 01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,560 with Matthew. When it says she imagined 1311 01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:17,600 telling Murphy what had just happened, he'd be outraged. 1312 01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:19,920 He'd demand to know what measures she was taking to 1313 01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,520 protect herself. And just as suddenly as she 1314 01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:26,000 imagined telling her boyfriend, she knew she wouldn't do it. 1315 01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:30,280 And I was so happy. My heart just breaks for her. 1316 01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:32,760 I feel bad that she doesn't really feel like she has anybody 1317 01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:34,520 that she can. Well, she does. 1318 01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:36,000 She sure does. She does. 1319 01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:37,720 She's just not sleeping with them. 1320 01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:39,480 She. Has somebody that she should be 1321 01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:41,040 able to talk to about this, but she can't. 1322 01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:42,200 And that makes me sad. Yeah. 1323 01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:44,880 We're having different reactions to this because, yes, it's 1324 01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:46,680 awful. But I had to gloat. 1325 01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,520 I was so happy. I can't just let the wind go 1326 01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:52,200 unnoticed. She knew she wouldn't tell 1327 01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:54,280 Murphy, but immediately followed by. 1328 01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,920 She had to tell Strike, though. No question. 1329 01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:58,560 That's what I'm talking about. Yeah. 1330 01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,920 Love it. This is one of those, you know, 1331 01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:05,000 strikes have more rights than Murphy's do. 1332 01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:09,960 Yeah, but I'm with you, Lindsay. The more cracks are revealed in 1333 01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:13,000 this relationship, the better. I'm thrilled with every single 1334 01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,160 one. And knowing she can't trust him 1335 01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,400 enough to tell him about something like this happening to 1336 01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:19,720 her. Huge crack Canyon cutting right 1337 01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:22,360 through the relationship. There is a countdown on this guy 1338 01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:23,880 is ticking. It is speeding up. 1339 01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:27,360 He is so close to being done. And she calls Strike instantly, 1340 01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:29,040 right? Away, I know. 1341 01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:32,360 There isn't an internal model on to tell us, but I'm going to 1342 01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,880 assume that Robin wanted to talk to him right away because she 1343 01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:36,520 needed to. She needed him. 1344 01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:41,160 Robin suddenly realized she was very close to tears and mentally 1345 01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:44,240 crossed her fingers that Strike wasn't about to react angrily to 1346 01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:47,560 chastise her for not having taking more care or not been 1347 01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:49,320 quick enough to spot the man who'd done it. 1348 01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:51,800 And of course he doesn't. He's been zigging where she 1349 01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:55,720 expects him to zag for a while and I'm just so thankful for 1350 01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:57,640 Strikes reaction. I wish they were having this 1351 01:03:57,640 --> 01:03:59,640 conversation in person so he could have she. 1352 01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:02,520 Could have. Gotten those tears out, the feel 1353 01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:05,120 of his arms feeling like home. Oh yeah. 1354 01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,840 I feel like they've argued about safety so many times that Robin 1355 01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:12,880 might not remember what it is that he actually gets mad about. 1356 01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:15,280 I. Don't think he's ever chastised 1357 01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,240 her for not being better. I suddenly think she's been 1358 01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:20,720 misinterpreting his anger when she's in danger. 1359 01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:23,240 This. I know Time Strike reacts and 1360 01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:27,480 anger when he's afraid. He's angry at whoever's putting 1361 01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:29,400 you in danger, and he's terrified you're going to be 1362 01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,040 hurt. It's never been about you not 1363 01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:32,920 being good enough, Robin. I never. 1364 01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:34,360 Oh my. Gosh, and she's been. 1365 01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,240 Thinking this whole goddamn time I. 1366 01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,640 Know girl. I think the only time that 1367 01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:42,160 Strike has gotten angry at her, rather than just being angry 1368 01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:45,080 that she's in danger, is when she decides to do dangerous shit 1369 01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:46,840 when she knows it's dangerous because she wants to prove 1370 01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:48,960 herself. Yeah, like ink Black heart. 1371 01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:49,520 Yeah. Or. 1372 01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:51,960 When she doesn't want to take the precautions that he thinks 1373 01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:56,000 she should take, like taking a taxi, just take the taxi and. 1374 01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:57,920 What is the problem with taking a taxi? 1375 01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,480 Like why is she? Signed me the fuck up for taking 1376 01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:01,520 a taxi. Yes, please. 1377 01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:05,080 Why she's so against taking a taxi? 1378 01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:07,120 Because. She thinks it makes her look 1379 01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:08,760 weak. She thinks it means she's weak. 1380 01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:10,360 Yeah, that's. Crazy I. 1381 01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,840 Know because I'll take a taxi anywhere. 1382 01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:14,120 Don't. Tell me twice I'm. 1383 01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:17,120 Getting on the crowded subway at Christmas, but yeah. 1384 01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:19,480 You articulated that exactly what I was trying to say. 1385 01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:20,800 Thank you. Totally agree. 1386 01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:23,520 All right, now we're getting to Robbins call to strike and 1387 01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:26,680 strikes offer to pick Robin up after her interview with Albie 1388 01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:30,560 is just so sweet and kind. He has to know that she's 1389 01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:33,720 feeling a bit freaked out and with like a friendly familiar 1390 01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:38,000 face afterwards and he wants to see her and make sure she's safe 1391 01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:40,760 and keep her away from Murphy. Great intentions. 1392 01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,680 And, you know, he did not like hearing that she was going to 1393 01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:45,280 meet Murphy afterwards. Well. 1394 01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:48,880 Neither did I did anyone I wish. That just once she'd say yes, 1395 01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,440 strike, please come meet me. I'm shaken up and could really 1396 01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:53,360 use a hug and a glass of whiskey. 1397 01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:55,200 Yes. Please, the man. 1398 01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,160 Would be out the door so fast he would. 1399 01:05:57,160 --> 01:06:00,440 Be breaking land speed record, yes, Yeah. 1400 01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:04,200 He would be running. Gazelles everywhere are shaking. 1401 01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:07,360 Yeah, Murphy's. Got nothing on him. 1402 01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:10,800 Limber fucker I. Really need Robin to learn that 1403 01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:14,200 she can have what she wants. She deserves what she wants. 1404 01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:18,360 I hope she gets what she wants. She just. 1405 01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,840 Wants Strike her best friend, who she thinks is hot. 1406 01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:25,240 That's totally their song. So their song I. 1407 01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:28,680 Appreciate that Robin in this book is being a touch less 1408 01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:31,400 resistant to strike, telling her to take precautionary measures 1409 01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:33,320 when there's scary stuff going on. 1410 01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:35,240 It's a really nice change of pace. 1411 01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:39,600 You're telling me, my gosh. Oh, this next thing that I'm 1412 01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,360 about to read. This one has been pointed at so 1413 01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:44,680 many times for new theories for the new book. 1414 01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:47,640 Book, it says. Tears stung her eyes, and for a 1415 01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:50,520 few seconds she wanted to run, but run where? 1416 01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:54,080 Home to Massim, as she'd done after the rape, back to Murphy, 1417 01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:55,760 who she knew she wasn't going to tell. 1418 01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:58,040 There's a. Third option there, Robin, 1419 01:06:58,280 --> 01:06:59,160 there's. An alternative? 1420 01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:01,240 You mean an alternative standing? 1421 01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:04,400 Right there this. Quote gets pointed at a lot when 1422 01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,040 it comes to predictions for the next book. 1423 01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:09,920 I've seen people saying that she's going to run somewhere at 1424 01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:11,920 some point. I believe in this theory a 1425 01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:15,480 little less after hearing about Strike and Robin in that pub 1426 01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:17,800 that Joe was talking about on Twitter not that long ago. 1427 01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:20,120 Because we know it'll be in the first half, the 1st. 1428 01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:23,000 Half, yeah. So they can't be separated for 1429 01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,520 that long. I've never been super big on 1430 01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,680 this theory because I cannot think of anything that seems 1431 01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:34,360 less like Robin, less like the Robin we know than wanting to go 1432 01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:36,520 home to Linda right now. Yeah. 1433 01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:40,080 I think back home is literally the last place that Robin would 1434 01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:41,800 run at this point. I'm sorry. 1435 01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,640 Yeah. When I read this, I think it 1436 01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:48,840 seems obvious where she wants to run to when she says but run 1437 01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:51,840 where it's obvious where she wants to run, it's to the man 1438 01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:54,360 who's on the phone, the man who's just offered to come pick 1439 01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:56,680 her up, The man who she could tell her truth to. 1440 01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:58,280 Her main man. Her main. 1441 01:07:58,280 --> 01:07:59,920 Man. Is obvious. 1442 01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:05,720 It's not massive straight. Man Manson, the only thing that 1443 01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:08,480 keeps me sane at times like these is thinking of the day 1444 01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:11,280 that Robin will run straight into Strikes arms because it 1445 01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,120 will happen while his. Arms are home. 1446 01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:15,360 She needs to think about that again sometime. 1447 01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:17,640 It's been too long. Oh, my gosh. 1448 01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:19,720 We're basically almost to September. 1449 01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,240 It'll be here before we know it. So really, we just have another 1450 01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:23,120 year to wait. Yeah. 1451 01:08:23,399 --> 01:08:27,040 Strikes parting words to Robin to just be vigilant. 1452 01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:29,479 Instantly reminded me of Mad Eye Moody. 1453 01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:33,960 You know, constant vigilance. On and vigilance they do. 1454 01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:37,760 Have some things in common, including a couple missing leg, 1455 01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:40,040 a couple things. Yes, it's. 1456 01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:43,920 Also cute that Robin can tell that he's exercising restraint 1457 01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:46,479 and how forcefully he's telling her all of this. 1458 01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:50,160 You know he's taking note of those times when she's told him 1459 01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:52,439 not to yell at her after stuff like this happens. 1460 01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:57,680 He's just yelling next to her. He's not yelling at her. 1461 01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:00,680 Yeah. Not taking it personally, he's 1462 01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:03,560 changing a little bit. He's just holding back from 1463 01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:05,240 telling her how much he loves her. 1464 01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:09,439 It must be hard to try and emphasize to someone in this 1465 01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:11,960 kind of dangerous situation to be careful without fully 1466 01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:13,840 explaining why you need them to be careful. 1467 01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:17,040 And it's because you love them. Especially someone who isn't 1468 01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:20,560 always the most careful sounds. Like we're hoping this kind of 1469 01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:21,760 scene might go differently. I'm. 1470 01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:24,840 Very much hoping but. Strike does so well at 1471 01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:27,960 restraining himself from yelling about her safety this whole book 1472 01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:30,960 like he does a good job. He's putting the effort in to 1473 01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:33,560 understand her and be who she needs, and who she needs is not 1474 01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:37,760 someone who's yelling near her. Well, I think it's just that 1475 01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:39,560 he's trying to not make her mad at him. 1476 01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:41,920 Well, yes. That too, but if he can keep 1477 01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:45,200 that up, then it comes out to the same thing, so right. 1478 01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:48,120 Let's go to Chapter 30. You're 30. 1479 01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:51,760 In this chapter, Robin interviews Albie Simpson White 1480 01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:56,240 and the epigraph Ask Me No More for fear I should reply. 1481 01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:59,600 Others have held their tongues and so can I. 1482 01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:03,760 And that is poem 6 from additional poems by AE Hausmann. 1483 01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:07,720 So creative. I know very, very creative poems 1484 01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:09,080 and. One more thing. 1485 01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:13,560 Very creative compilation, Additional poems and just 1486 01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:16,320 kidding, I had One Poems volume 2. 1487 01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:19,440 Some follow up extra poems, it's like. 1488 01:10:19,440 --> 01:10:23,200 Whenever you're you're trying to create like a drafts, I got. 1489 01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:25,320 Final, final, final, final, final, final. 1490 01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:28,640 Yeah. So this epigraph to me is 1491 01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:31,120 definitely referring to Albie because there's definitely some 1492 01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:33,720 things that he's keeping from Robin in this interview. 1493 01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:35,640 It's actually quite an important interview. 1494 01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:39,920 It's letting us know as readers that he knows more, and he's 1495 01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:41,960 trying to keep the secret for Rupert. 1496 01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:46,040 Although if I were him, I'd be real tempted to just give up the 1497 01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:47,640 secret at this point. Yeah. 1498 01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:52,240 So the beginning of the chapter, Robin and Alby talk a little bit 1499 01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:53,920 before they start discussing Rupert. 1500 01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:57,560 And it makes me laugh when it says having three brothers, two 1501 01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:00,520 of them younger than herself, Robin knew the importance of 1502 01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:03,920 food to young men. Not to mention having had a male 1503 01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:07,520 best friend for years whose good mood depends on the amount of 1504 01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:09,600 sustenance he's received recently. 1505 01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:13,080 Which, I mean, yeah, same. It does take me back a little 1506 01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:15,560 bit to Cuckoo's Calling when Strike offers to buy Rochelle A 1507 01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:17,720 Berger. It's an interview tactic to keep 1508 01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:20,040 her there. I don't mean to imply that 1509 01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:22,440 there's any sort of parallel. I'm just pointing out that I 1510 01:11:22,440 --> 01:11:25,240 really like seeing these detective strategies that we 1511 01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:28,240 learned about early on from Strike, but now they're showing 1512 01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:31,320 up in Robin and it's fun to see. Yeah, it is. 1513 01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:34,160 It's fun to see how she's kind of picked up on his techniques 1514 01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:35,920 and started implementing them herself. 1515 01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:40,040 Robin suggests eating at the Alfred Tennyson Pub because the 1516 01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:41,960 food is good. She said even though she's 1517 01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:43,240 making that up, he's never eaten there. 1518 01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:45,840 I've looked it up online. Bad news for Alby. 1519 01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:47,520 I know we're many years in the future. 1520 01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:49,400 I did not see a burger on the menu, though. 1521 01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:51,360 Maybe. He can console himself with an 1522 01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:56,080 egg mimosa smoked anchovies for only £9. 1523 01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:59,040 I have so many questions I. Had a lot of questions too and 1524 01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:01,440 the menu answered none of them. I don't know what an egg, 1525 01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:04,040 mimosas, comma smoked anchovies is. 1526 01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:06,600 That sounds horrific. It sounds like something that 1527 01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:08,280 would be on Fear Factor. None of those. 1528 01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:11,440 Things go in Mimosas I. Know so. 1529 01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:15,120 I'm confused. Speaking of being confused, OK, 1530 01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:18,640 I saw something listed under the seasonal oysters that said 1531 01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:23,920 pickled cucumbers and I could not get on with my life because 1532 01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:28,240 I was pickled cucumbers. That's just a pickle, right? 1533 01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:31,480 That's exactly what I thought. According to Google, very 1534 01:12:31,480 --> 01:12:34,280 helpful. In the UK, pickle encompasses a 1535 01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:38,280 wide range of vegetables and sometimes fruits preserved in a 1536 01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:41,240 vinegar based brine. While pickled cucumbers are 1537 01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:44,040 common, the term extends to include pickled onions, pickled 1538 01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:46,840 beetroot, pickle Lily chutney, and even pickled eggs. 1539 01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:49,560 Just like in starter, you can throw anything in the jars and 1540 01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:50,960 it comes out pickled. But. 1541 01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:54,240 Then it would be pickled a pickled. 1542 01:12:54,480 --> 01:12:56,480 Cucumbers it's. Just a cucumber. 1543 01:12:56,720 --> 01:13:00,800 My mind can't take this Pickled beetroot sounds really terrible 1544 01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:05,120 and I swear I can feel Joe. Like shuddering Joe from. 1545 01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:08,880 Across the ocean like fucking. Anything pickled is good. 1546 01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:10,640 I really like salty vinegary stuff. 1547 01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:13,680 I love pickled cucumbers. Or not cucumbers. 1548 01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:15,800 Sorry. Oh, now I'm confusing myself. 1549 01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:19,040 I do love pickled cucumbers. Yeah, a pickle. 1550 01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:22,400 I like pickled cauliflower. This is bizarre. 1551 01:13:22,480 --> 01:13:25,440 I think so too. The UK is just like a whole 1552 01:13:25,440 --> 01:13:28,960 different world. This actually all this will 1553 01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:31,200 actually tracks for me because one of the British cooking 1554 01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:33,480 youtubers shows I watch frequently. 1555 01:13:33,480 --> 01:13:36,240 They talk about making a quick pickle and reference like a 1556 01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:38,640 bunch of different veggies. That makes no sense. 1557 01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:40,880 Quick pickle here. It makes no sense for a couple 1558 01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:43,440 of reasons. One, we've already established, 1559 01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:46,920 but how is any pickle quick? Isn't the whole point of that 1560 01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:49,000 that it takes a while? The pickle, but it's 1561 01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:52,160 approximating a pickle in like the flavor. 1562 01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:55,160 I can already tell that this part of the episode is going to 1563 01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:57,600 be what people comment on the most. 1564 01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:01,240 I know there's going to be discourse with a capital DI know 1565 01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:03,920 I'm now. Also thinking back to our cheese 1566 01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:07,280 and pickle sandwich confusion as we recall, because, you know, it 1567 01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:09,280 turned out that pickle was referring to something that was 1568 01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:11,720 like a relish, like a bunch of different veggies cut off 1569 01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:15,400 pickled Branson's pickle, which I got and tried and still have. 1570 01:14:15,480 --> 01:14:17,160 And wait a minute. Wait a minute, are you telling 1571 01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:19,520 me that that's not actual pickle chopped up? 1572 01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:23,040 Like, I know that it's relish, but there's no Pickles. 1573 01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:24,160 It's not. Cucumbers. 1574 01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:25,400 It's a bunch of different veggies. 1575 01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:28,840 I can't. Even words have meaning. 1576 01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:31,600 Words have meaning. Brits. 1577 01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:32,640 What the hell? I know. 1578 01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:37,000 No, but I, I thought we had established that it wasn't just 1579 01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:38,720 a pickle chopped up. That it was. 1580 01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:40,880 Oh. You thought made into a rel. 1581 01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:44,720 Because relish is Relish is literally Pickles like. 1582 01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:47,120 A relish, but. Relish is Pickles. 1583 01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:50,440 Let's see, it's. I looked up Branston pickle and 1584 01:14:50,440 --> 01:14:53,760 it says that it's made from diced root vegetables. 1585 01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:56,160 Yeah. Weed, carrots, onions and 1586 01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:57,800 cauliflower. It was really good. 1587 01:14:57,800 --> 01:14:59,640 Spiced vinegar sauce. They're like. 1588 01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:01,400 They're little crunchy poppy bits. 1589 01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:03,560 It was so fucking good. But normally. 1590 01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:06,880 Just like a common is Pickles, yeah. 1591 01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:09,720 But it was like a chutney, so which is like a relish. 1592 01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:12,440 So it was compared like comparing to give a frame of 1593 01:15:12,440 --> 01:15:13,160 reference, right? But. 1594 01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:16,320 That didn't that did not come through because I would never 1595 01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:20,640 take pickle relish and then think it was other vegetables I. 1596 01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:23,520 Don't know that I've ever had relish on anything. 1597 01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:26,360 Like a hot dog, I've. Never put it on anything. 1598 01:15:26,440 --> 01:15:30,000 Maybe I should be putting relish on stuff I don't think I've. 1599 01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:32,680 Ever had relish? But I'm relish curious. 1600 01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:36,040 I am not relish curious too because like I just. 1601 01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:39,680 It's like a hot dog. I mean, they're it's Pickles. 1602 01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:42,720 Fuck, what am I doing? We don't even have relish on 1603 01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:45,840 that. That I am always curious about. 1604 01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:48,480 And, you know, this is just go going back to me going to 1605 01:15:48,480 --> 01:15:51,560 concerts all the time. But every time you leave or you 1606 01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:55,920 go to a concert or truck party, food truck, fucking hot dog food 1607 01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:58,640 trucks, hot dog carts, anywhere. Yes. 1608 01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:01,040 And they smell so good. Freaking good. 1609 01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:03,000 They got the onions and the Peppers and everything. 1610 01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:06,080 I know, I'm like, I know that that's gonna eat my stomach up, 1611 01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:08,880 but I want to try it. No, like, what are the odds that 1612 01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:12,920 I might get food poisoning? But they smell so good. 1613 01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:15,920 They do. I know exactly what you're gonna 1614 01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:17,760 say. Yeah, yeah. 1615 01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:20,240 Do we? Have Branston Pickles still. 1616 01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:22,560 I could do a little cheese sandwich with some Branston 1617 01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:26,160 pickle. Anyway, yes it should be Pickled 1618 01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:29,640 cucumber, not pickle. No it like other vegetables 1619 01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:32,320 would be pickled, while a pickle is just a pickle. 1620 01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:34,040 Why does? Cucumber get to be special 1621 01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:35,040 because. That's just how it is. 1622 01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:38,000 I didn't make the rules. I didn't make the rules. 1623 01:16:38,440 --> 01:16:41,240 It's just how it is you. But you should have seen how 1624 01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:44,200 long I was staring at the menu thinking Pickled cucumber. 1625 01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:47,000 What? It makes sense to me. 1626 01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:49,800 Actually, it makes sense to me that all vegetables are equally 1627 01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:53,120 pickled and just the preparation is pickle. 1628 01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:55,120 Pickle all. Vegetables. 1629 01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:57,000 Cucumbers, not special. What the fuck did? 1630 01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:59,040 Cucumbers do. They're Pickles. 1631 01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:01,440 Nah, they're. Pickles I'm on the British side 1632 01:17:01,440 --> 01:17:03,840 with this. I'm I'm with the UKI think it 1633 01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:06,280 makes more sense. I think it's more logical and I 1634 01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:07,040 like it. Do you? 1635 01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:09,080 Actually believe. I don't know if I believe you. 1636 01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:12,040 I know, I know. Like, are you doing this to take 1637 01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:12,960 the piss? I know. 1638 01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:15,800 I'm 100% that system makes more sense. 1639 01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:18,240 I think the US OK. If you pickle the carrot, which 1640 01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:20,760 they sell this thing at the store that has like spicy 1641 01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:24,120 vinegar and all the vegetables are soaked, nowhere does it say 1642 01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:25,800 pickle on it because there's no Pickles. 1643 01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:27,800 I. Bet all the rest of the world is 1644 01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:31,760 just everything is pickled vegetable and the US and US by 1645 01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,320 osmosis are the only ones who actually call cucumbers Pickles 1646 01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:35,880 because that's the default I think. 1647 01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:38,120 You're just going against the US, no. 1648 01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:39,800 I'm not. That's the normal thing up here 1649 01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:42,200 too to call. They're called Pickles here. 1650 01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:45,680 I just think it's more logical that all vegetables are equally 1651 01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:48,080 pickled if. I said do you want a pickle? 1652 01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:49,760 And then I handed you a pickled carrot. 1653 01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:50,720 Know what? You mean 'cause I'm North 1654 01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:52,360 American too and we call them Pickles? 1655 01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:55,200 If I handed you a carrot, that would be crazy. 1656 01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:57,160 You should call. It a pickled carrot like a 1657 01:17:57,160 --> 01:17:58,880 Pickled cucumber. You can call it a. 1658 01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:00,920 Kickle. But then like, what would I call 1659 01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:03,880 a? Pickled cauliflower collie ikl. 1660 01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:06,520 OK, I'm now calling every vegetable just its first 2 1661 01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:09,800 letters plus pickle. So grickle with a grickle green 1662 01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:11,000 bean pickle. Well, that. 1663 01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:12,680 Would need to be. Gribickle a green. 1664 01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:16,680 Bickel Bickel Wikipedia says a Pickled cucumber, commonly known 1665 01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:19,720 as a pickle in the US and Canada, and a Gherkin in 1666 01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:22,040 Britain, Ireland, South Africa and they. 1667 01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:23,480 Do have a separate name for it? Yep. 1668 01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:26,880 But is called Gherkin, a smaller pickle that's like sweet. 1669 01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:29,840 That's usually what I've experienced is yeah, those are 1670 01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:34,440 the small, the small ones, yeah. Do they not even have do they 1671 01:18:34,440 --> 01:18:38,560 have kosher Pickles? I know how UK how do you live 1672 01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:40,360 they've? Got big Pickles over there I'm 1673 01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:45,040 pretty sure. Oh, apparently pickle cucumbers 1674 01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:47,200 were first developed for workers building the Great Wall of 1675 01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:48,440 China. Wow. 1676 01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:51,160 You know what, it's probably because the electrolytes 1677 01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:52,880 whenever I have a cramp in my leg. 1678 01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:54,560 You know what you do? Eat a pickle. 1679 01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:57,000 Eat a pickle. Gets rid of it like magic. 1680 01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:58,320 Also. If you've eaten something really 1681 01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:01,440 greasy like a pickle, will counter that because the acid 1682 01:19:01,440 --> 01:19:04,200 fuck where's. Chase with my pickle like. 1683 01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:06,440 What vegetable is he going to bring you? 1684 01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:08,480 Well, we only. Have pickled cucumbers. 1685 01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:11,560 So either he's making me a Branston and cheese sandwich or 1686 01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:13,320 he's bringing me a Pickled cucumber. 1687 01:19:13,440 --> 01:19:15,440 I still think their system is more logical. 1688 01:19:15,440 --> 01:19:17,760 If I could retrain my brain I would, but there's no point 1689 01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:19,720 going against the flow of culture. 1690 01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:21,560 So you know, that's just my stance. 1691 01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:23,520 You can't. Help it, she's too closely tied 1692 01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:26,080 to British culture. Do you see when I said you have 1693 01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:30,880 a nature? A nature of accepting logic and 1694 01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:35,080 facts, yes, but still acknowledging the Moray in which 1695 01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:36,680 I live. Yes, being. 1696 01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:40,000 Contrary. Anyway, there were other things 1697 01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:42,520 on the menu. I would get the Caesar salad 1698 01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:45,040 with the smoked anchovies. Oh yes. 1699 01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:48,120 Can I just say this dude's name? Albie. 1700 01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:51,240 Oh yeah, we're interviewing him. We're, we're not technically 1701 01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:55,080 here to talk about food. We did go out on a 30 minute 1702 01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:57,960 digression about Pickles. It's important. 1703 01:19:58,120 --> 01:19:59,480 It is. It is. 1704 01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:02,320 Very important feel like. I learned a lot, but yeah, can I 1705 01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:05,440 just say that this guy's name, Albie sounds like a Harry 1706 01:20:05,440 --> 01:20:09,000 Potter, like Generation 2 point O name, like an alternative 1707 01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:13,120 universe like Albus Severus name Albie Simpson White Albie 1708 01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:16,360 Simpson White Albus Severus. Yeah, It's the Muggle version, 1709 01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:17,920 Yeah. Of a Harry Potter name. 1710 01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:20,160 Exactly 1 of the ways that you know that these books are 1711 01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:21,600 written by JK Rowling. I. 1712 01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:24,720 Wondered if in Albie Simpson White's case, the Albie's short 1713 01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:27,680 for Albion because we don't find out his full name in the book. 1714 01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:29,560 It's got to be short for something right? 1715 01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:32,800 And Albion is what the classic Greeks called Britain. 1716 01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:36,120 One of the possible root words for the Albion was the proto 1717 01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:39,160 word for White, which in Latin Albus. 1718 01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:41,440 Right, because it circles back to Dumbledore, the White 1719 01:20:41,440 --> 01:20:44,160 connection I. Assumed it was short for Albert 1720 01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:48,160 OH. Yeah, that's probably way more 1721 01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:50,800 normal. Robin's internal monologue when 1722 01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:53,920 Albie is describing sort of person Rupert is was interesting 1723 01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:57,760 to me because to me it reads similarly to other internal 1724 01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:00,760 monologues, but from Strike it just sounds like a lot more 1725 01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:04,960 jaded and world weary. Where it says this didn't tally 1726 01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:08,800 remotely with the idea Robin had formed of Rupert Fleetwood, who 1727 01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:12,160 she'd been picturing as just another of the wealthy, wellborn 1728 01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:14,800 young male Londoner she'd come across during her detective 1729 01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:17,360 career. They existed like tourists in 1730 01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:20,600 their own city, taking the best of what it had to offer and 1731 01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:23,560 never needing to dirty their feet where regular people trod 1732 01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:27,480 unless they hit some personal crisis, usually a sudden drop in 1733 01:21:27,480 --> 01:21:31,040 funds caused either by an allowance withholding parent or 1734 01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:33,280 an out of control drug habit. What? 1735 01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:35,960 She's talking about reminds me a bit of Raphael Chisel, although 1736 01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:38,440 presumably most of the men she's talking about don't end up 1737 01:21:38,440 --> 01:21:39,560 murdering. We can. 1738 01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:42,200 Only hope not. Tourists in their own city also 1739 01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:44,280 reminded me a bit of Matthew too, yeah. 1740 01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:46,680 Totally, he was. Focused on the littering surface 1741 01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:49,240 too, but. Matthew knows about the mango 1742 01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:52,480 tree fools. He's clearly very cosmopolitan. 1743 01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:55,480 Well, the mango tree, you've got me there. 1744 01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:59,960 But I suppose my point is that Robin has now spent almost seven 1745 01:21:59,960 --> 01:22:03,960 years seeing some of the worst sides of London and of men in 1746 01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:06,000 London. It makes sense that she's become 1747 01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:10,520 a bit jaded and weary of it. She's no longer the optimistic 1748 01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:13,480 and inexperienced contrast to Strike, I think. 1749 01:22:13,480 --> 01:22:16,320 There's a little clue in here that tells us that Rupert is 1750 01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:19,760 still alive, especially coming right after Strikes interview 1751 01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:22,880 with Jim Todd where there was that whole thing where Todd said 1752 01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:25,600 was instead of saying is about Larry McGee. 1753 01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:30,320 So Robin asks Alby if he likes Rupert and if they were friends. 1754 01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:32,240 Yeah, said Alby with a slight smile. 1755 01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:35,240 He's a good guy. So it's the he's a good guy. 1756 01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:39,520 We all know and suspect that Alby knows Rupert left and why I 1757 01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:41,520 don't think he knows where he is. 1758 01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:45,360 I think that he does know that he's alive though, and this is 1759 01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:48,280 telling us that he knows that. That was the impression I got as 1760 01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:50,600 well. But going back to the picture 1761 01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:54,560 that Robin has formed a Rupert in her mind, and we know that 1762 01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:56,800 Strike thinks even worse of him than Robin does. 1763 01:22:57,480 --> 01:23:00,600 This interview is what starts sort of stripping the paint from 1764 01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:02,760 that mental picture, if you will, right? 1765 01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:05,040 Because it's dropping some big clues that maybe they've both 1766 01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:07,920 misjudged him. It starts off with Robin being 1767 01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:11,280 confused by Albie and Rupert's relationship after she gets to 1768 01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:15,120 know Albie a bit, right? It says she was slightly puzzled 1769 01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:17,840 to know why Rupert Fleetwood, whose behavior regarding the 1770 01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:20,840 stolen Neff and towards his pregnant girlfriend suggested 1771 01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:24,240 fecklessness and unkindness, should have been good friends 1772 01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:26,520 with a young man who seemed decent, hard working and 1773 01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:28,680 responsible. So it's a puzzle piece that 1774 01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:30,920 doesn't fit. And if the piece doesn't fit, 1775 01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:34,000 that means either there's some kind of secret tying together 1776 01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:37,440 Albion, Rupert, or Strike and Robin's assumptions about Rupert 1777 01:23:37,440 --> 01:23:40,520 are wrong there. Really is a theme of misjudging 1778 01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:43,240 someone's character in this book in particular. 1779 01:23:43,480 --> 01:23:46,440 Obviously they've done it with clients before, but there are 1780 01:23:46,440 --> 01:23:50,560 two big relationships that they each do it with that parallel. 1781 01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:51,760 This. I think so. 1782 01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:55,000 Robin with Strike and then Strike with Rokeby? 1783 01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:58,080 Absolutely. Robin sees Rupert as a man who 1784 01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:01,960 can't commit to the woman he claimed to love and just up and 1785 01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:05,800 left her, and Strike sees him as a man who ditched a pregnant 1786 01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:08,680 woman and left a baby boy to be fatherless. 1787 01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:12,280 They're both projecting pretty heavily onto Rupert, if you ask 1788 01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:14,440 me. Robin with her hurt with Strike, 1789 01:24:14,440 --> 01:24:16,280 and Strike with his hurt with Rokeby. 1790 01:24:16,440 --> 01:24:18,480 Ouch, you're right. They both really do. 1791 01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:20,760 We. Find out that Albion Rupert are 1792 01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:23,880 pretty close friends and a bit about Rupert's personality. 1793 01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:26,160 So he was steady. He'd been unhappy at the 1794 01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:30,240 boarding school and what he wanted most was family, which is 1795 01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:33,960 really upsetting that just when he thought he'd started a new 1796 01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:36,400 family with death. So I was like, oops. 1797 01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:38,840 Two family. Oops. 1798 01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:42,080 Family got a dial back on the family. 1799 01:24:42,480 --> 01:24:45,560 But you know what family can also be what you make it. 1800 01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:50,000 No, I really hope that they can fall out of love and Co parent 1801 01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:53,120 because they could actually have a really nice family. 1802 01:24:53,480 --> 01:24:57,160 My hope for each of them is that 10 years down the line, they've 1803 01:24:57,160 --> 01:25:00,040 each married really nice people and they're all great friends, 1804 01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:03,280 and they just have this really strong extended family for the 1805 01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:05,800 kid, and they can have a different kind of love. 1806 01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:07,640 Yeah, that would be really great, like. 1807 01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:12,520 Daiyu and will not Daiyu Lynn. Exactly. 1808 01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:15,120 Yeah. I mean, Robin says they're going 1809 01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:16,400 to love each other for the rest of her life. 1810 01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:19,960 I think that's because she's that's a projection, right? 1811 01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:23,240 But it doesn't actually mean that they can't fall out of 1812 01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:25,160 love. I think this is my hope for 1813 01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:25,800 them. He. 1814 01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:29,120 Also tells Robin that she shouldn't judge Rupert because 1815 01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:31,920 of the Neff, suggesting that there's a good reason he took 1816 01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:34,120 it. So not for money or because he's 1817 01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:36,800 a criminal, but there must be something personal that 1818 01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:39,080 justifies it. Do you know being the worst is 1819 01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:41,520 all the justification I need, right? 1820 01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:46,800 I would rob him blind. And you would think that Strike 1821 01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:50,120 would be cool with this too. Did he not steal those Latin 1822 01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:52,800 books from the dude because he patronized him? 1823 01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:58,320 Or supplies from the army because he wanted them I assume. 1824 01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:02,120 Maybe there's like an upper price limit for strike? 1825 01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:05,360 Not an F, no. But strike the he's a 1826 01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:07,120 kleptomaniac. He should be 100% on the 1827 01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:10,120 Rupert's side of this. Stealing out of pure spite is 1828 01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:11,400 the best kind of stealing. He. 1829 01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:14,240 Gets it also. Can't wait for sleep tight 1830 01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:18,040 Evangeline where Strike is going to be Mr. Steal Yo Girl because 1831 01:26:18,040 --> 01:26:23,080 his crime spree is escalating. The best theft of all, Yeah. 1832 01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:27,200 The ultimate heist, The crowning achievement of crime I want. 1833 01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:30,160 To sing Mr. Steal You're a Girl, but we can't do the rest because 1834 01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:31,920 it does outfit. That's a Charlotte song. 1835 01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:37,560 Moving on to Albie's feelings about Dino and the longcasters. 1836 01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:42,720 I'm not like a huge Albie fan just because he's being cagey 1837 01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:46,200 and I don't like when people are cagey, but when he said that he 1838 01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:49,480 wouldn't piss on Valentine if he was on fire, I felt that in my 1839 01:26:49,480 --> 01:26:51,840 soul. I thought Dalby seemed like a 1840 01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:54,960 decent guy and his opinions about the Lancasters and 1841 01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:57,640 Valentine in particular are very accurate. 1842 01:26:57,840 --> 01:26:59,240 I. Definitely don't dislike him, 1843 01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:02,240 it's just his caginess that annoys me a little bit but I 1844 01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:05,760 appreciated his brutal honesty. I think if he knew about the 1845 01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:09,480 baby that he would fess up. I think it's hard for us because 1846 01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:16,480 we know but for him it's just a breakup which why should he tell 1847 01:27:16,480 --> 01:27:19,040 Decima where he is if it's just a breakup right? 1848 01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:24,120 This is why JK Rowling needed Decima to be a bit strange and 1849 01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:27,320 making this request because it wouldn't make sense for same 1850 01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:30,720 people like Albie to keep Rupert's secret when everyone 1851 01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:35,120 knows there's a baby involved. I'd like to think that most of 1852 01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:38,960 us haven't worked for people as awful as the long casters, but 1853 01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:41,520 having terrible bosses is relatable. 1854 01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:45,760 Unfortunately, yeah, I have. Luckily not had any experience 1855 01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:49,680 quite as bad as Dino Lancaster, some have come pretty close the 1856 01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:51,720 whole. Bit about Dino getting upset if 1857 01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:56,640 women didn't look a certain way. It's awful but also a tiny bit 1858 01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:58,920 funny on a reread. Knowing that when he meets 1859 01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:02,000 Robin, he's gonna tell her that she shouldn't wear black, right? 1860 01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:03,160 He's. Right. 1861 01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:06,000 Consistent. And correct, yeah, he's just 1862 01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:08,160 into fashion. I bet he'd be real into Project 1863 01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:10,600 Runway. I'm surprised that you didn't 1864 01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:13,360 suggest America's Next Top Model given the fucked up things that 1865 01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:16,880 Tyra was asking the girls to do. He wouldn't be a fan. 1866 01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:20,400 She'd have him on as an advisor. I can see that Alby says that 1867 01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:22,840 there's only one person Dino likes and that's his daughter 1868 01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:26,240 Cosima because she's thin, blonde and good looking and I'm 1869 01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:30,240 thinking, well that's Robin. It's been a while since I read 1870 01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:34,240 that chapter with Robin, but the impression from my memory of it 1871 01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:37,800 is not that he didn't seem to like Robin, but he really 1872 01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:40,800 thought he was helping her with that advice about her coloring. 1873 01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:44,400 He genuinely thinks that this is helpful to people to insult them 1874 01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:46,200 or, you know, tell them they don't look good. 1875 01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:51,440 Yeah, I mean, he did seem reasonably nice, but. 1876 01:28:51,440 --> 01:28:54,680 He probably likes her because she's one of those things. 1877 01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:56,320 Thin, blonde, good looking. Yeah, I was going. 1878 01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:58,720 To say he wasn't particularly warm to Robin, but he wasn't 1879 01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:01,560 really nice to Cosma either, so maybe that's just how he treats 1880 01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:03,160 people he likes. Yeah. 1881 01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:06,560 You know, he must be really awful to the ones he doesn't 1882 01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:08,360 well. Yeah, I mean, we already got a 1883 01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:11,160 taste of that in this chapter when Albie talks about Dino's 1884 01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:13,680 nickname for Rupert. Yeah, that. 1885 01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:17,160 Part's really hard to read. If I were Rupert, the way I 1886 01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:21,720 would fantasize about having the most epic Dawson's Creek style 1887 01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:26,160 monologue telling off and storming out scene, I'd never be 1888 01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:27,520 able to pull it off in real life. 1889 01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:29,880 In my head though, it would be great. 1890 01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:32,320 Same. It'd be so powerful, you know? 1891 01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:35,040 It would be so good when I'm practicing it in the shower. 1892 01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:36,640 I would just really put him in his place. 1893 01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:38,960 He'd really land. He'd be devastated there. 1894 01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:41,560 Really is nothing more satisfying than winning a good 1895 01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:45,520 shower argument. Dino called him the jellyfish 1896 01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:50,560 BLOB of brainless, semi sentient matter, invasive of species, 1897 01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:54,320 fundamentally pointless, a drip off the old BLOB. 1898 01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:58,760 What's ironic about this is that he's trying to insult Rupert's 1899 01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:05,600 bloodline, his DNA. But plot twist, his DNA is so. 1900 01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:08,880 Incredibly. Cruel and to your own son. 1901 01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:12,080 Even though Jellyfish creep me out, I can still acknowledge 1902 01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:14,640 that they're really interesting and unique creatures and some of 1903 01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:16,920 them can be like weirdly beautiful as the longest. 1904 01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:18,560 They don't come here very close to touching me. 1905 01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:21,600 So he's being very rude to both Rupert and Jellyfish. 1906 01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:24,360 And Jelly What? Do you have against fish the. 1907 01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:27,000 Text the wetness, the texture, the. 1908 01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:28,120 Wetness. I don't. 1909 01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:30,760 Want them to touch me because. They live in water. 1910 01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:33,400 They're not just naturally wet. Yeah. 1911 01:30:33,440 --> 01:30:35,480 But when you touch them, they're going to be wet. 1912 01:30:35,720 --> 01:30:36,880 It just. Makes me laugh because every 1913 01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:39,560 time we mention sea creatures because I've always been 1914 01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:43,160 obsessed with them and Pooles has a she's like what's his face 1915 01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:45,800 guard and a maid of the silver sea with the octopus. 1916 01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:49,640 Yep, devil fish. It's like this visceral I. 1917 01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:53,080 Appreciate them for being cool. I just don't want them to touch 1918 01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:56,560 me because I appreciate they're not just over there. 1919 01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:59,040 Just stay cool over there where you can't touch me. 1920 01:30:59,200 --> 01:31:01,040 That's. I want to do one of those spas 1921 01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:04,040 where the fish come pull the dead skin off of your feet or 1922 01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:06,560 whatever. Again, I'd rather break my leg. 1923 01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:10,800 No thanks. Anyway, did Dino know that 1924 01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:14,800 Rupert was possibly his actual son because he was having an 1925 01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:17,320 affair with his mother? He can presumably do the basic 1926 01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:18,760 math right? I don't. 1927 01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:21,320 Know but is that like a projection then when he's 1928 01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:25,240 calling him a drip off the old BLOB invasive species? 1929 01:31:25,240 --> 01:31:28,120 That's why I'm saying it's ironic because it's to RIP off 1930 01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:29,840 the old. He's trying to insult his 1931 01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:34,040 bloodline but dude knowing. Dino's personality. 1932 01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:37,760 It would honestly make sense to me that he did know and that's 1933 01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:40,800 why he was extra mean to reboot, because it seems like the kind 1934 01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:43,000 of twisted behavior I would expect from him. 1935 01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:46,200 You know, it's funny because I would think the exact opposite. 1936 01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:49,960 Given Dino's inability to keep his Dick in his pants literally 1937 01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:52,880 at any time, I wouldn't be surprised if it had just 1938 01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:55,480 completely slipped his mind that he had had sex with Rupert's 1939 01:31:55,480 --> 01:31:57,760 mother at one point. I just feel like you would go 1940 01:31:57,760 --> 01:31:59,760 somewhere different with your insults. 1941 01:31:59,920 --> 01:32:03,120 I guess I was thinking because he'd see parts of himself that 1942 01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:06,680 he doesn't like in Rupert, you know, like the not hot parts 1943 01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:09,520 because Dino's not hot. He likes hot, but he's not. 1944 01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:11,840 And then he take pleasure in tormenting him because of it. 1945 01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:14,720 Because that's repressed, right? Like smashing a mirror, you see 1946 01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:17,680 a bad reflection in SO. I'll be speaking, he says. 1947 01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:20,960 Mr. Lancaster pointed out the Neff to one of his friends in 1948 01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:24,240 front of Rupert and said he'd won it off his waiter's father. 1949 01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:28,440 And then he said Peter Fleetwood was even worse at backgammon 1950 01:32:28,440 --> 01:32:31,560 than he was at skiing. And that's how Roop's parents 1951 01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:34,520 died, said Albie. And he was no longer red, but 1952 01:32:34,520 --> 01:32:36,920 rather white. I'm just thinking, you take that 1953 01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:39,720 neph Rupert. I kind of wish he had taken it 1954 01:32:39,720 --> 01:32:41,960 and hit him over the head with it while he was at it. 1955 01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:43,920 Just heated it right in his face. 1956 01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:47,320 Yeah, I'm with him. I'm a. 100% of Rupert's side 1957 01:32:47,320 --> 01:32:50,640 with this one, and Albie's face turning white with his emotion 1958 01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:53,760 about how gratuitously cruel that was really shows he did 1959 01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:57,120 genuinely care about Rupert and he's a fundamentally decent guy 1960 01:32:57,320 --> 01:32:59,400 and he. Left his job that paid a lot of 1961 01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:04,040 money to work retail because the longcasters mistreated people. 1962 01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:05,960 That shows integrity on his side. 1963 01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:09,600 It does so while they're discussing Rupert and Decima's 1964 01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:11,760 relationship. Robin says this to Albie. 1965 01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:15,200 I think it'd be kinder for her in the long run to know the 1966 01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:19,320 truth rather than be told lies and left wondering why, if 1967 01:33:19,320 --> 01:33:22,560 Rupert was supposed to genuinely care about her, he disappeared. 1968 01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:25,120 Follow your own advice, girlfriend. 1969 01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:28,320 Yeah. I can imagine Joe kind of 1970 01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:30,400 smirking when she writes this because you know the. 1971 01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:33,920 Truth second. To last thing is about the last 1972 01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:36,960 time that Albie saw Rupert. And I think it's clear to 1973 01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:39,760 everyone that Albie's lying at this point about not being in 1974 01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:42,280 touch with Rupert. Robin is certain that he's 1975 01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:46,040 lying, and I absolutely trust Robin's certainties as long as 1976 01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:48,000 they're not preceded by. She thought. 1977 01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:51,400 No, she knew. Oh, because that is bullshit. 1978 01:33:51,480 --> 01:33:53,920 You can. Trust her work certainties, not 1979 01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:56,080 her certainties about her feelings. 1980 01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:57,280 Those are the. Opposite. 1981 01:33:57,600 --> 01:34:00,320 Nobody is buying what Alby is selling here at all. 1982 01:34:00,480 --> 01:34:01,920 That's. Two chapters in a row where 1983 01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:04,200 they're into being a bad liar, but very. 1984 01:34:04,200 --> 01:34:06,280 Different. Very different I. 1985 01:34:06,280 --> 01:34:10,520 Love Robin shaking his hand and not letting go. 1986 01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:12,840 That is such a strike level power move. 1987 01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:16,640 The first time I read this I was just like, oh you know, it's so 1988 01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:19,120 good. I felt a little bad because 1989 01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:21,400 clearly he's a nice kid, he's trying to help his friend, but 1990 01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:24,080 Robin was just so cool, so there. 1991 01:34:24,360 --> 01:34:25,760 So. Cool, cool as a. 1992 01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:29,480 Cucumber. Cool as a cucumber Who is a who 1993 01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:31,640 is a Pickled cucumber? Yep. 1994 01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:36,240 I think she uses this tactic specifically because she can see 1995 01:34:36,240 --> 01:34:40,000 that Alby's decent, that he does care, so she's safe to be a bit 1996 01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:42,960 more forceful than she might be with a hostile witness. 1997 01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:44,760 Right? She's applying pressure because 1998 01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:48,120 she can sense that it would be possible to break him down with 1999 01:34:48,120 --> 01:34:51,040 it, whereas this kind of thing wouldn't work with someone who's 2000 01:34:51,040 --> 01:34:53,360 likely to go on the attack against her, you know? 2001 01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:55,960 Yeah, very smart. It almost worked. 2002 01:34:56,080 --> 01:34:58,280 Nothing. Sums up this interview more than 2003 01:34:58,280 --> 01:35:01,560 when Robin says Albie. I think there's something you're 2004 01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:05,000 not telling me. I'm not sure if Albie knows 2005 01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:07,200 where Rupert is. I do think he's in touch with 2006 01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:10,720 him and I do think that he probably knows about he and 2007 01:35:10,720 --> 01:35:12,720 Decima being related. He definitely. 2008 01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:15,960 Knows about the relatives thing because Rupert told him he had 2009 01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:18,360 to tell someone. I think he also might know where 2010 01:35:18,360 --> 01:35:22,040 Rupert is actually, because he met up with Tish and Tish has 2011 01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:25,320 visited Rupert in Sardinia because she got that Brank 2012 01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:28,760 consultancy job from terrorists to pay off the Neff, right. 2013 01:35:29,360 --> 01:35:33,280 So I think that connection I'll be does probably know where he 2014 01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:35,360 is because Dish does you know when. 2015 01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:37,000 Robin is pressing. I'll be at the end of the 2016 01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:39,240 chapter. He ends their conversation by 2017 01:35:39,240 --> 01:35:42,320 saying sometimes you're better off not knowing things. 2018 01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:45,400 And obviously this makes me think of literally everything 2019 01:35:45,400 --> 01:35:47,960 between Shrike and Robin, everything that they've built 2020 01:35:47,960 --> 01:35:51,880 their relationship on, finding truth, solving mysteries, but 2021 01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:55,160 also everything they've kept from each other, like their 2022 01:35:55,160 --> 01:35:57,600 feelings and the things they try to hide. 2023 01:35:58,360 --> 01:36:03,400 I guess my feeling is how not true this is in most situations. 2024 01:36:03,960 --> 01:36:07,840 Yeah, especially in situations where there are romantic 2025 01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:09,800 feelings between business partners and best friends. 2026 01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:13,160 It's definitely better to know in those situations. 2027 01:36:13,480 --> 01:36:15,520 Absolutely. Always, always. 2028 01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:18,840 Answer the question exactly. Always answer the question. 2029 01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:21,480 Better that than regret it all your life. 2030 01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:24,640 That certain line pops in my head though, from the running 2031 01:36:24,640 --> 01:36:27,160 grave. Truth to strike with sacrosanct. 2032 01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:29,640 You know we loved that line. I loved that line. 2033 01:36:30,120 --> 01:36:33,520 It's a great time also to quote Dumbledore when he says. 2034 01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:36,880 It is my belief that the truth is generally preferable to lies 2035 01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:38,640 and. Yet in the epilogue of this 2036 01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:42,520 book, Strike has apparently come to realize that sometimes it's 2037 01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:45,400 not so black and white when it comes to telling the lie and the 2038 01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:47,560 truth. They should also not tell him 2039 01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:49,920 the truth about his name. Let's be honest. 2040 01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:53,320 Do you? Need to ask Strike And Robin 2041 01:36:53,320 --> 01:36:55,880 looked at him in surprise. She'd have assumed Strike would 2042 01:36:55,880 --> 01:36:58,360 think the truth, however unpalatable, was always 2043 01:36:58,360 --> 01:37:01,680 preferable to a lie, and she couldn't help remembering his 2044 01:37:01,680 --> 01:37:04,560 angry advice to her. We aren't fucking social 2045 01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:07,320 workers. And then later, Robin felt a 2046 01:37:07,320 --> 01:37:10,000 wave of fondness for her partner, which immediately 2047 01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:11,920 occasioned an inner spasm of guilt. 2048 01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:15,000 She wasn't supposed to melt inwardly at Strike, showing 2049 01:37:15,120 --> 01:37:19,120 unexpected sensitivity and compassion when the man she 2050 01:37:19,120 --> 01:37:22,200 claimed to love was probably debating right now when exactly 2051 01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:23,760 he should produce that diamond ring. 2052 01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:26,440 Fucking never. Murphy, I'll answer that one for 2053 01:37:26,440 --> 01:37:29,640 you. Melt inwardly but. 2054 01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:34,360 Yeah, by the end of this book, Strike still values truth, but 2055 01:37:34,360 --> 01:37:38,480 it seems like he values kindness and family a lot more now than 2056 01:37:38,480 --> 01:37:42,160 he might once have. I wonder whose influence that 2057 01:37:42,160 --> 01:37:42,760 is. I. 2058 01:37:42,760 --> 01:37:46,080 Know. Also, I love that after that, 2059 01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:48,600 it's not a full chapter before he's right back to you had to 2060 01:37:48,600 --> 01:37:52,880 know, but that's what's called discernment. 2061 01:37:53,120 --> 01:37:57,400 Having the wisdom to see when truth is necessary and not so 2062 01:37:57,400 --> 01:37:59,520 much and when it's super necessary. 2063 01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:01,520 That feels. Like a perfect place to end. 2064 01:38:01,640 --> 01:38:02,880 It does. Yeah. 2065 01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:05,920 OK, so let's go into a partner's chat. 2066 01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:08,960 Partners chat, let's do it. How are you guys? 2067 01:38:09,560 --> 01:38:11,640 Much better Good. If. 2068 01:38:11,640 --> 01:38:15,240 Things continue to be like painful, then I'll have to do 2069 01:38:15,240 --> 01:38:18,520 like a pelvic ultrasound and then they'll probably be able to 2070 01:38:18,520 --> 01:38:20,960 see anything that's not supposed to be there. 2071 01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:22,480 Those are not as bad as you'd think. 2072 01:38:23,080 --> 01:38:24,600 Really. No, it's good. 2073 01:38:25,160 --> 01:38:27,200 It's a pretty thin wand, honestly. 2074 01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:29,600 Good. They'll bust it out and you'll 2075 01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:32,280 be like, whoa, that's a that's going in there. 2076 01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:36,000 But all right, it's really fine. But I'm feeling better. 2077 01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:39,280 They gave me like 3 different kinds of antiemetics when I left 2078 01:38:39,280 --> 01:38:42,520 the hospital the last time. So yeah, they set me up. 2079 01:38:42,520 --> 01:38:44,880 They were like, listen, we don't want you coming back here. 2080 01:38:45,880 --> 01:38:50,120 But it took me like over a week to eat solid food and then like 2081 01:38:50,280 --> 01:38:52,200 I couldn't take any of my medication. 2082 01:38:52,280 --> 01:38:54,240 Yeah. And when you don't take your 2083 01:38:54,240 --> 01:38:58,200 medication for like a week, it cannot feel good. 2084 01:38:58,680 --> 01:39:00,920 Yeah, well, you seem a bit better lively. 2085 01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:03,600 Yes, much much. When is your next period 2086 01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:07,760 supposed to be my next my? Next period listen, you're going 2087 01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:11,480 to have to be share your period tracking app with us Totally 2088 01:39:11,480 --> 01:39:15,560 normal, totally, totally data private. 2089 01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:19,280 Fine, don't worry my. Projected start date is on the 2090 01:39:19,280 --> 01:39:23,920 14th of May be after we already record for the next batch 2091 01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:27,320 because we're recording for that I think, yeah, next weekend, 2092 01:39:27,760 --> 01:39:28,920 yeah. Are we awesome? 2093 01:39:29,120 --> 01:39:30,240 Is that? Good, yeah. 2094 01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:34,080 Chase's birthday is the 17th and this weekend is our anniversary 2095 01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:36,960 weekend, so if I was recording on our anniversary weekend and 2096 01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:39,760 then his birthday weekend, I think he'd be a little annoyed. 2097 01:39:40,320 --> 01:39:43,240 Guess what I asked for and got her. 2098 01:39:43,680 --> 01:39:44,760 He is annoyed, very annoyed, yeah. 2099 01:39:45,160 --> 01:39:47,480 He would be, but we don't need more stuff. 2100 01:39:47,480 --> 01:39:53,520 Like I don't want gifts, but our vacuum broke and I did want to 2101 01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:56,920 splurge on a very nice new vacuum that will last forever. 2102 01:39:57,000 --> 01:40:03,520 So what is arriving today is the Dyson V-15 Detect cordless 2103 01:40:03,560 --> 01:40:05,040 vacuum please. Send a link. 2104 01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:08,480 Oh yeah, this is how you know that you're middle age. 2105 01:40:08,640 --> 01:40:09,360 You've reached it. I am. 2106 01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:11,280 So. Fucking so excited. 2107 01:40:12,200 --> 01:40:13,880 Oh hang on, I'll send you the American site. 2108 01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:15,920 You know what's? So annoying though, David never 2109 01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:20,120 wants to buy anything new unless it's completely broken and he'll 2110 01:40:20,120 --> 01:40:22,000 try so hard to fix something. That's when. 2111 01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:23,360 You have an accident with a hammer. 2112 01:40:23,440 --> 01:40:28,160 Oops, oops, someone broke in and smashed this one thing that I 2113 01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:31,400 desperately want to replace my. Parents have that, yeah. 2114 01:40:31,440 --> 01:40:32,720 Is it nice? Do they like it? 2115 01:40:33,200 --> 01:40:34,800 You're like, oh, I'm not saying otherwise. 2116 01:40:36,440 --> 01:40:39,560 The only thing that I don't like is that if you get a lot of pet 2117 01:40:39,560 --> 01:40:42,680 hair in it, it will start to smell when you run it. 2118 01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:44,960 Oh, OK. So make sure you clean it, yeah. 2119 01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:46,840 Or clean. Yeah, clean it out. 2120 01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:48,800 Yeah, those Dyson vacuums are good. 2121 01:40:49,080 --> 01:40:50,280 Anyway, I'm. Really excited. 2122 01:40:50,600 --> 01:40:52,600 Congratulations on your vacuum. Thank. 2123 01:40:52,600 --> 01:40:55,360 You I will report back next partners chat about how my 2124 01:40:55,360 --> 01:40:57,520 vacuum journey is going because vacuum. 2125 01:40:57,520 --> 01:40:59,200 Journey, well I hate. Cleaning. 2126 01:40:59,200 --> 01:41:01,840 I hate vacuuming, but I feel like if I get a very exciting 2127 01:41:01,880 --> 01:41:04,680 new toy to vacuum with, I'll be more likely to do it. 2128 01:41:04,880 --> 01:41:08,560 OK, you know so does. That mean that you did not hire. 2129 01:41:09,240 --> 01:41:11,960 No, because I couldn't fucking find anyone A. 2130 01:41:11,960 --> 01:41:14,520 Nice shirtless man to come clean your house they. 2131 01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:18,440 Couldn't even find it like a regular one or anyone much. 2132 01:41:18,440 --> 01:41:21,120 Less fucking. No one. 2133 01:41:21,400 --> 01:41:24,560 So I gave up. We'll try again when we buy a 2134 01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:26,160 house next year or whatever and move. 2135 01:41:26,360 --> 01:41:29,760 Yeah. Speaking of buying things, so 2136 01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:32,800 you know, this has been a whole journey as well an impulse 2137 01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:33,480 journey. Oh, is. 2138 01:41:33,480 --> 01:41:35,640 This the fish it's. Pat's fault. 2139 01:41:35,640 --> 01:41:39,120 It's all Pat's fault because her fish tank reminded me that I 2140 01:41:39,240 --> 01:41:41,880 like fish tanks. And then I've liked having a 2141 01:41:41,880 --> 01:41:45,800 beta before. So then what happened was I got 2142 01:41:45,800 --> 01:41:49,680 a beta and like 3 gallon tank for it and then I was like, oh, 2143 01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:52,040 can I add other things in there? Yes, you can. 2144 01:41:52,240 --> 01:41:55,840 But then he got too stressed because the other fish were 2145 01:41:55,840 --> 01:41:58,560 really energetic and he was stressed because he was hiding. 2146 01:41:58,720 --> 01:42:01,600 So I got another tank for him. But then I was like, oh, it's 2147 01:42:01,600 --> 01:42:03,520 kind of small. I feel bad. 2148 01:42:04,160 --> 01:42:05,960 And then I had a fish die. RIP. 2149 01:42:06,440 --> 01:42:08,960 That's really. Sad, you know. 2150 01:42:08,960 --> 01:42:10,200 What? I was over it pretty quickly. 2151 01:42:10,840 --> 01:42:12,920 I tried hard to save her though, I really did. 2152 01:42:12,920 --> 01:42:13,840 I've done. It. 2153 01:42:14,280 --> 01:42:15,880 You're upset about it? Yeah. 2154 01:42:15,960 --> 01:42:20,600 A little, but that's that's OK. I know you did your best to save 2155 01:42:20,600 --> 01:42:21,680 her. I. 2156 01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:24,520 Put her in an isolation tank and we didn't feed her for a couple 2157 01:42:24,520 --> 01:42:26,080 days because that's what it said to do. 2158 01:42:26,200 --> 01:42:29,040 I bought antibiotics for a $6 fish. 2159 01:42:29,280 --> 01:42:32,840 I bought $20 antibiotics. She was looking so much better. 2160 01:42:33,320 --> 01:42:36,960 And then I woke up and she was not better. 2161 01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:39,960 So I was like, well, I guess I got to go to PetSmart. 2162 01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:43,320 There's a tropical fish store right next to it. 2163 01:42:43,440 --> 01:42:46,360 But I was, like, going to try PetSmart first because Abby 2164 01:42:46,360 --> 01:42:49,400 wanted to go get Shanker a toy. Two birds, one store. 2165 01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:53,080 Yeah, but they didn't have it. But anyway, PetSmart was having 2166 01:42:53,080 --> 01:42:55,280 a big sale. All their tanks were half off. 2167 01:42:55,760 --> 01:42:59,600 So there's a 5 gallon tank for 40 bucks which is 2 more gallons 2168 01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:02,040 of the one I have. But then I turn the aisle. 10 2169 01:43:02,040 --> 01:43:05,200 gallon tank $46. How can I say No 10? 2170 01:43:05,240 --> 01:43:06,640 Gallons. How can? 2171 01:43:06,640 --> 01:43:09,800 I say no, it does. It makes financial sense. 2172 01:43:10,480 --> 01:43:14,240 Absolutely yes. Like price per gallon I. 2173 01:43:14,240 --> 01:43:18,000 Know you gotta break the tank. You get the tank then. 2174 01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:20,680 Now we're going to tropical fish store because now I need more 2175 01:43:20,680 --> 01:43:23,840 fish naturally. But we got a few more fish, got 2176 01:43:23,840 --> 01:43:26,320 the tank all set up. I just sit there and watch it 2177 01:43:26,320 --> 01:43:29,480 like it's the TV. Nice, that's good. 2178 01:43:29,840 --> 01:43:32,120 Does this eventually end with you basically living in an 2179 01:43:32,120 --> 01:43:33,440 aquarium? That would. 2180 01:43:33,440 --> 01:43:36,520 Be very cool. We're going to see Project Hail 2181 01:43:36,520 --> 01:43:40,200 Mary tomorrow, so that's an hour and a half drive both ways. 2182 01:43:40,520 --> 01:43:41,840 Oh. My gosh, I. 2183 01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:44,320 Know for a. Theater, where do you live? 2184 01:43:44,480 --> 01:43:49,720 It's like small towns nowhere Canadian cities have theaters. 2185 01:43:49,720 --> 01:43:51,200 We're just not in a fucking city. 2186 01:43:51,440 --> 01:43:53,040 Awful. Because it's the same distance 2187 01:43:53,040 --> 01:43:55,680 to the fucking Costco and. This is again, it's upsetting. 2188 01:43:55,760 --> 01:43:57,720 Canada is a hellscape in. Kitchener. 2189 01:43:57,720 --> 01:44:00,680 I lived 10 minutes down the road from the Costco. 2190 01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:02,960 Yeah, and another Costco across the street from my 2191 01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:05,520 father-in-law. Like we had all all the. 2192 01:44:05,520 --> 01:44:07,880 Costco I was. Spoiled for choice sometimes. 2193 01:44:07,880 --> 01:44:11,960 I didn't even go to Costco and now I'm like I. 2194 01:44:11,960 --> 01:44:13,920 Would kill for a Costco. I would. 2195 01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:16,120 I might I want. To make a trip out to the 2196 01:44:16,120 --> 01:44:19,320 theater to go see that sheep detective movie that looks very 2197 01:44:19,320 --> 01:44:22,040 cute I. Don't want to see that it. 2198 01:44:22,040 --> 01:44:24,520 Looks so cute though. It does, and I would just be 2199 01:44:24,520 --> 01:44:27,240 sitting here thinking about Robin's Daddy and Taco I. 2200 01:44:27,280 --> 01:44:31,000 Know I just feel bad for the sheep that they're a shepherd 2201 01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:34,040 dies that's upsetting who's going to take care of them 2202 01:44:34,160 --> 01:44:35,680 they're. Emotionally resilient. 2203 01:44:35,680 --> 01:44:37,640 I think they'll be OK. They're going to take care of 2204 01:44:37,640 --> 01:44:39,080 the sheep. I. 2205 01:44:39,320 --> 01:44:41,640 Generally. Know the previews get me so 2206 01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:43,960 worried for that. Look who's looking after the 2207 01:44:43,960 --> 01:44:46,840 sheep though. They will look after themselves. 2208 01:44:47,000 --> 01:44:49,520 Because they are. Strong and domesticated. 2209 01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:53,720 Solving a murder, I think, like, feed to themselves. 2210 01:44:54,120 --> 01:44:55,440 Yeah. I think that they're going to 2211 01:44:55,440 --> 01:44:58,080 band together. The death of their shepherd is 2212 01:44:58,080 --> 01:45:01,240 going to band them together with the power of friendship. 2213 01:45:01,240 --> 01:45:03,040 Oh my. God, well, the power of 2214 01:45:03,040 --> 01:45:04,560 friendship can overcome anything. 2215 01:45:04,560 --> 01:45:06,920 Let me know if it's good and if I should watch it. 2216 01:45:06,920 --> 01:45:09,600 Let me know if the sheep are taken care of and I can like 2217 01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:12,400 like watch. It I need to know about the 2218 01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:15,280 welfare of the sheep. How do you watch things? 2219 01:45:16,600 --> 01:45:18,640 It's hard, OK. But. 2220 01:45:18,680 --> 01:45:21,360 It I mean, yeah, I do like, what's his face? 2221 01:45:21,440 --> 01:45:22,840 Yeah, that. Seems like the sort of thing 2222 01:45:22,840 --> 01:45:26,320 that I would want to be like sat in a comfortable seat with 2223 01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:30,000 overpriced food and a thing of popcorn that I'm so. 2224 01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:31,800 Excited for theater popcorn? Yeah. 2225 01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:33,080 It looks cute. I want to see it. 2226 01:45:33,120 --> 01:45:36,240 I think it looks cute too. The thought of sheep solving 2227 01:45:36,240 --> 01:45:37,280 murder. It just. 2228 01:45:37,440 --> 01:45:40,920 It sounds too cute. Yeah, A nice cozy mystery. 2229 01:45:41,320 --> 01:45:43,000 I. Would be sitting there the whole 2230 01:45:43,000 --> 01:45:47,240 time imagining Robin's dad taking the grandkids there. 2231 01:45:47,360 --> 01:45:49,440 It would. Be something that Robin and her 2232 01:45:49,440 --> 01:45:52,640 dad could bond over solving Murders in sheep. 2233 01:45:52,640 --> 01:45:55,200 It's the perfect crossover. It's the perfect father 2234 01:45:55,200 --> 01:45:56,160 daughter. The Movie. 2235 01:45:56,160 --> 01:45:58,560 Together. That would be so fucking cute. 2236 01:45:59,400 --> 01:46:01,600 Carmen comes too. They take him out for Father's 2237 01:46:01,600 --> 01:46:05,680 Day in the year 2026. That would be really cute. 2238 01:46:06,320 --> 01:46:08,000 I would be. I would be unable to think of 2239 01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:09,800 anything else sitting there watching that movie. 2240 01:46:09,800 --> 01:46:13,760 I'm sorry. That's why it would be so great, 2241 01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:15,400 because you. Know that Michael Ellicott's 2242 01:46:15,400 --> 01:46:17,840 gonna like, have thoughts about the. 2243 01:46:17,880 --> 01:46:21,200 Sheep and how it's unrelated. How the sheep look about how 2244 01:46:21,200 --> 01:46:23,240 they're behaving. You know, he's gonna have 2245 01:46:23,240 --> 01:46:25,960 thoughts about the shepherd's sheep breeding program. 2246 01:46:27,080 --> 01:46:30,680 Yeah, it would be so good that. Would be so fun. 2247 01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:33,360 Who's gonna take care of the sheep? 2248 01:46:35,760 --> 01:46:37,400 They're human though. It's insane. 2249 01:46:38,520 --> 01:46:40,160 I'm. Pretty sure that they probably 2250 01:46:40,160 --> 01:46:41,440 don't care. They do. 2251 01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:44,320 This is like the same kind of thing that she's like, yeah, I 2252 01:46:44,320 --> 01:46:48,120 could be friends with lions. Well, they eat other people, but 2253 01:46:48,120 --> 01:46:49,800 I'm built different. Would they? 2254 01:46:49,800 --> 01:46:51,640 Recognize that we're kindred souls. 2255 01:46:51,680 --> 01:46:53,840 I don't know. Maybe, maybe not. 2256 01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:56,520 I don't know, just saying I didn't. 2257 01:46:56,520 --> 01:46:59,040 Lock my door because David's bringing me Starbucks soon. 2258 01:46:59,280 --> 01:47:01,760 Oh, nice. So I'm expecting possibly at 2259 01:47:01,760 --> 01:47:03,440 some point, Abby to come barge it in. 2260 01:47:04,240 --> 01:47:06,680 Maybe she'll be naked. We never know. 2261 01:47:06,840 --> 01:47:09,480 Yeah, I was about to say, the chances always seem to be about 2262 01:47:09,480 --> 01:47:11,800 5050. She's kind of getting over it 2263 01:47:11,800 --> 01:47:14,880 now, now that she's a big girl who's potty trained, she likes 2264 01:47:14,880 --> 01:47:16,120 her underwear. Good for. 2265 01:47:16,120 --> 01:47:17,600 Her, I mean. It's about time. 2266 01:47:17,840 --> 01:47:20,880 I thought she was going to be 15 in pull ups. 2267 01:47:21,040 --> 01:47:23,480 Yeah. Eventually she was going to get 2268 01:47:23,480 --> 01:47:25,800 it my. Mom had to anthropomorphize the 2269 01:47:25,800 --> 01:47:28,600 little Disney princesses that were on my underwear when I 2270 01:47:28,600 --> 01:47:32,240 progressed to big girl panties. They're like the princesses 2271 01:47:32,240 --> 01:47:34,720 don't like being pooped on. Yeah, that's smart. 2272 01:47:34,720 --> 01:47:36,600 I don't like that. And you know what? 2273 01:47:37,440 --> 01:47:42,280 Didn't try that. No, I Paul's going to love this 2274 01:47:42,280 --> 01:47:45,560 so much because she had going pee down. 2275 01:47:45,680 --> 01:47:48,560 Fine. But with kids, that's always the 2276 01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:51,440 hardest part because some kids are really scared of it. 2277 01:47:52,000 --> 01:47:55,880 They don't know what's going on. We had to make that itself, a 2278 01:47:55,880 --> 01:47:58,000 character that needed to come out. 2279 01:47:58,000 --> 01:47:59,920 Yeah. Gotta anthropomorphize the 2280 01:47:59,920 --> 01:48:00,720 piece, right? I don't. 2281 01:48:00,720 --> 01:48:02,440 Oh, yeah. Don't love it. 2282 01:48:03,400 --> 01:48:07,160 Well, if anyone needs potty training tips, just there you 2283 01:48:07,280 --> 01:48:09,600 go, You know, Mr. Poop needs to get out. 2284 01:48:09,640 --> 01:48:12,160 And then Abby will speak for it and say no, I'm never coming 2285 01:48:12,160 --> 01:48:18,440 out. But then all of a sudden she was 2286 01:48:18,440 --> 01:48:22,000 like, OK, and then it worked. So you know if it works, it 2287 01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:24,120 works. Motivation has to come from 2288 01:48:24,120 --> 01:48:27,120 within well. It literally it came from within 2289 01:48:27,120 --> 01:48:32,920 and then it was out and now we're good. 2290 01:48:36,040 --> 01:48:38,120 She set us up for that one so good. 2291 01:48:38,680 --> 01:48:42,320 It's so funny, like talking to other moms and stuff because you 2292 01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:46,680 can't phase other toddler moms with poop talk at all. 2293 01:48:46,880 --> 01:48:50,000 The way we're we're phasing, we're phasing that's, that's. 2294 01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:53,760 Your life. I'm phased. 2295 01:48:54,640 --> 01:48:55,600 She's fazed. It's. 2296 01:48:56,080 --> 01:48:58,840 Not my life, it's. Not my toddler poop life. 2297 01:48:59,400 --> 01:49:02,800 I mean, I have more to life than toddler poop, thankfully. 2298 01:49:03,160 --> 01:49:06,480 But you get so much rewarding love from it. 2299 01:49:07,120 --> 01:49:08,760 I've heard she's. Trying to trying to be. 2300 01:49:08,760 --> 01:49:11,000 Positive about. Kids. 2301 01:49:11,640 --> 01:49:17,080 Yeah so I I sent my nephew like 3 books when my sister sent a 2302 01:49:17,080 --> 01:49:20,200 picture and said he loves reading all so I sent him the 2303 01:49:20,200 --> 01:49:23,720 book called the grumpy. Grumpy monkey, yeah. 2304 01:49:23,800 --> 01:49:25,800 Grumpy Monkey book, have you seen that? 2305 01:49:26,080 --> 01:49:28,360 Yeah, apparently he. Really loves it. 2306 01:49:28,680 --> 01:49:31,600 I can give you some book suggestions that my kids loved, 2307 01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:33,680 yeah. That'd be awesome because yeah, 2308 01:49:33,680 --> 01:49:35,520 I like buying him books. That's fun. 2309 01:49:35,800 --> 01:49:37,920 So if. You live closer, would you do 2310 01:49:38,240 --> 01:49:39,800 diaper changes? That's. 2311 01:49:39,800 --> 01:49:42,560 Not my job. I can like cook for her, I'm not 2312 01:49:42,560 --> 01:49:43,920 doing that. But if? 2313 01:49:43,960 --> 01:49:47,200 You if you babysat. Oh, I don't think she would want 2314 01:49:47,200 --> 01:49:48,280 me to babysit. No. 2315 01:49:48,640 --> 01:49:53,040 Why? I don't think she'd be is a very 2316 01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:55,000 reliable babysitter. To be honest. 2317 01:49:55,080 --> 01:49:56,800 I would not want to be the babysitter. 2318 01:49:56,880 --> 01:49:58,200 She's like I will. Politely. 2319 01:49:58,200 --> 01:49:59,720 Decline. No. 2320 01:49:59,720 --> 01:50:02,280 Maybe when he's older. I'm really afraid of breaking 2321 01:50:02,280 --> 01:50:04,760 babies. I don't really want to, and I 2322 01:50:04,760 --> 01:50:06,840 know that's because I don't have a lot of experience with them 2323 01:50:07,240 --> 01:50:09,320 and you know, they don't break or whatever, but I think they do 2324 01:50:09,320 --> 01:50:10,080 break. I know. 2325 01:50:10,160 --> 01:50:12,600 They don't break, but I think that I think they could break. 2326 01:50:13,280 --> 01:50:15,760 So once he's older, what's older to you? 2327 01:50:15,960 --> 01:50:17,280 I don't. Have to do anything involving a 2328 01:50:17,280 --> 01:50:19,160 toilet. Ideally can have like a 2329 01:50:19,160 --> 01:50:22,960 conversation. So years, yeah, You miss all the 2330 01:50:22,960 --> 01:50:27,680 fun stuff. Yeah, I don't live close enough. 2331 01:50:27,680 --> 01:50:29,840 Anyways, I'll see him at the wedding. 2332 01:50:30,080 --> 01:50:33,720 OK, so that's the book. And then if you look down, 2333 01:50:33,720 --> 01:50:36,920 there's also ABC123 Animal Opposites First words. 2334 01:50:36,920 --> 01:50:41,160 There's a bunch of these ones. Oh cute Alpha Prince alpha. 2335 01:50:41,160 --> 01:50:43,040 Prince. Oh yeah, we got them. 2336 01:50:43,080 --> 01:50:45,680 Oh, they're cheap too. Only one left in stock and it's 2337 01:50:45,680 --> 01:50:49,040 40% off. Yeah, the kids really like these 2338 01:50:49,040 --> 01:50:50,400 books. This is how Jack learned his 2339 01:50:50,400 --> 01:50:52,120 colors. Purchased. 2340 01:50:52,120 --> 01:50:55,240 Thank you for the recommendation, I will report 2341 01:50:55,240 --> 01:50:56,720 back. I'm sure he will. 2342 01:50:56,960 --> 01:50:58,600 He's a very smart baby. How old? 2343 01:50:58,600 --> 01:50:59,960 Is he now? Question. 2344 01:51:00,080 --> 01:51:03,000 Four months ish. I think it's a. 2345 01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:05,920 Fun age, so he'll. Be 8 months at her wedding. 2346 01:51:06,200 --> 01:51:08,720 What are? We doing next time Kens, we are 2347 01:51:08,720 --> 01:51:13,920 starting Part 3 next time we're doing chapters 31 through 33. 2348 01:51:14,080 --> 01:51:17,800 And in that set of chapters we see culpepper running his second 2349 01:51:17,880 --> 01:51:22,440 hit piece on strike with the candy, the sex worker stuff we 2350 01:51:22,440 --> 01:51:25,920 see strike losing his temper and then rookie and Sasha Lagarde 2351 01:51:26,080 --> 01:51:30,120 contact the office. This set of chapters, man, they 2352 01:51:30,120 --> 01:51:33,600 really set me on a on a loop rereading them. 2353 01:51:33,760 --> 01:51:36,600 It was an emotional roller coaster that'll do it for this 2354 01:51:36,600 --> 01:51:38,480 episode. Thank you so much for listening. 2355 01:51:38,640 --> 01:51:40,960 If you enjoy what you've heard, don't forget to follow us on 2356 01:51:40,960 --> 01:51:43,800 social media. We're on Twitter, Instagram and 2357 01:51:43,800 --> 01:51:47,240 Tumblr at the SC Files pod. You can also contact us on our 2358 01:51:47,240 --> 01:51:51,440 website at the SC Files pod.com or e-mail us directly at 2359 01:51:51,440 --> 01:51:54,960 scfilespodcast@gmail.com. Thank you so much again for 2360 01:51:54,960 --> 01:51:57,080 listening and we hope to catch you next time for another 2361 01:51:57,080 --> 01:51:59,280 episode of The Strike and Ellicott Files.