1 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,440 Hi everyone, and welcome back to the Strike and Ellicott Files, 2 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,479 an unofficial podcast dedicated to all things Strike and Robin 3 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,080 as written by Robert Galbraith, AKA the endlessly talented JK 4 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:37,720 Rowling. My name is Kenz. 5 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:39,560 I'm Lindsay. And I'm Pauls. 6 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,280 And today we'll be continuing our reread of The Hallmarked 7 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,480 Man, covering chapters 7 through 9, which takes us from Robin 8 00:00:45,480 --> 00:00:48,280 looking into the Mullins case to Robin and Murphy talking about 9 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:52,440 the case and freezing her eggs. Sorry, it's OK, it's an 10 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:54,600 involuntary. I know I can't help it. 11 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,440 Please be aware, as always, that our discussion of the Hallmarked 12 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,080 Man will often reference the ending of this book as well as 13 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:01,720 the previous books in the series. 14 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,160 But before we get into that, we do have some stuff to talk 15 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,720 about. Yeah, first and foremost, happy 16 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,800 birthday, Cormoran Strike. It's his birthday. 17 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,800 Today it's his birthday. When we're recording it is 18 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,920 Sunday, November 23rd. He is 51 today. 19 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,760 Oh my God. My husband had the Arsenal 20 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,080 Tottenham game on earlier and Arsenal won. 21 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,440 Wow. So I'm sure that somewhere in my 22 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,680 imagination, Strike is very happy about that. 23 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,120 Well, that has just made his birthday. 24 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,200 It has, yeah. That's so good for him. 25 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,280 I bet he and Robin are having a really beautiful day together. 26 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,600 Oh so yeah, happy birthday, this fictional man we all love. 27 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,520 He's real in our hearts. He's real in our hearts. 28 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:46,640 And that's really what counts. Yeah. 29 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:48,280 All right. What else is going on? 30 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,840 There's running grave casting news for the TV show. 31 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,520 Are they filming it yet? Yes, they are. 32 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,120 Yeah, so the first one because there's a few. 33 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:58,680 Yeah, we got quite a bit of news. 34 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:00,840 Thank you, Lucy. But starting out, we have 35 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,520 Celeste Dodwell as Noli Seymour, OH. 36 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:05,960 My God, nice. Seymour. 37 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,320 And then this next one, the name of this actress made some people 38 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,240 laugh. I'm not exactly sure why. 39 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,320 I think it's AI. Think it's a literary reference. 40 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:14,600 Charlotte Lucas. Oh. 41 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:16,280 My God. Yeah. 42 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,840 She's an important character in Pride and Prejudice. 43 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,480 She's Lizzie's best friend. Come on, guys. 44 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:26,160 Charlotte Lucas, she's you expect she's no, no prospects. 45 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,360 She's already a burden to her parents and she's scared. 46 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,640 I'm sorry, you expect me to know Brian and Brad? 47 00:02:32,640 --> 00:02:35,960 She just scared, No? But yeah, okay, fair enough. 48 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:37,840 Yeah, Still, that's a very cool name. 49 00:02:37,920 --> 00:02:41,280 Anyway, so Charlotte Lucas is going to be playing Phillipa 50 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,720 Graves. OK, OK, I've got Phillip in 51 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,360 here. Yeah, yeah, I I see a bow in our 52 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,440 future. Right, the velvet Boo. 53 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,800 Next is Luke Hornsby Smith as Kyle. 54 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:54,880 Kyle. Fucking Kyle. 55 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,960 Oh Kyle. God damn it, buddy. 56 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:59,160 Did I like Kyle? No. 57 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:00,320 I did not like, no. He's. 58 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,440 Well, you really disliked the Kyle of troubled blood, but this 59 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,760 is the Kyle. Yeah. 60 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:07,840 This is the Kyle. That's the gay one. 61 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:09,520 Yeah. Oh, right, OK. 62 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:11,240 I was thinking of trouble Blood. Kyle. 63 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,640 I really hate the that guy. Yeah, we know it. 64 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:17,440 Gets the name. The next one is Paul Lacoo as 65 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,760 George. That's what he's his role is 66 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,760 named as. Presumably that's George Cox, 67 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:24,960 one of the Heaton's friends in the interview. 68 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:26,480 My God, yeah. Oh, wow. 69 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:27,640 I love. OK. 70 00:03:27,640 --> 00:03:30,440 If that's true, that's going to be hilarious that they're having 71 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,600 the friends be there just because I want to see Strike be 72 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:33,640 really annoyed. That's great. 73 00:03:33,920 --> 00:03:35,760 It's. Going to be hilarious here he 74 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:38,600 will be. And we have a couple more. 75 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,720 There's Finn Googan, I think is how you pronounce his last name, 76 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:43,800 but he's going to be playing Young Strike. 77 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,360 Oh. My God, the implications for 78 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,240 that, you guys? Going to get some flashbacks. 79 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,080 They're going to cast young Lucy and that. 80 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,880 Oh, that's going to hurt. Yeah, I'm preparing. 81 00:03:55,880 --> 00:04:00,280 To be emotionally devastated. Oh man, yeah, there's one more, 82 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,080 right? There is, there is. 83 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,520 One's the most exciting for me. It is. 84 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:06,000 It is. So exciting. 85 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:11,240 Ian Tarjet will be playing a Berger, which is an official in 86 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,120 a church who acts as a caretaker and attendant. 87 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,200 Oh my. God scene. 88 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,279 Scene. Scene. 89 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,960 Yeah, and Steven Hagen was posting about filming not that 90 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:23,640 long ago. He. 91 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,400 Posted like a picture. He posted a picture of his 92 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,080 trailer I think. Oh yeah. 93 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,120 That's so exciting. I like him, the actor. 94 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:37,360 I'm wondering if Steven Hagen was doing filming if maybe they 95 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,600 were filming the ending first because I know that they did 96 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,400 that with Ink Black Heart. Oh, where he comes to arrest 97 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,280 Abigail. Yeah, yeah. 98 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,120 Or maybe like the meeting between him and Strike about the 99 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,840 guns or something like that. There could be so many things. 100 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,320 Well, there'll probably be some scenes of him in the beginning 101 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:55,760 too. Yeah, that's true. 102 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,040 I'm ready to be annoyed by him. I am as well. 103 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:03,840 There was also some news of filming in Where Caricature 104 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:08,320 where exactly? It's an interesting name. 105 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,120 It sounds like you could go in circles. 106 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:12,680 Where do we go? You go to where? 107 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,920 Where? I Who's on 3rd. 108 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,120 Yeah. And then also outside of a 109 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,560 church called Saint Mary's, I don't know if maybe they're 110 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,600 going to be using that for the church scene. 111 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,080 It could be the christening though. 112 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,200 That could be, yeah, it's very true. 113 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,880 But yeah, I feel like we're going to still continue to get a 114 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:29,960 lot more, a lot more, you know, cast, Yeah. 115 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,040 Casting news. I know there's some big ones 116 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,200 that people are asking. We don't know anything that 117 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,280 anyone else doesn't know. We just. 118 00:05:37,280 --> 00:05:39,160 When we know, we'll let you know. 119 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,000 Yeah, I know. The big ones we're looking 120 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,800 forward to knowing is probably the WASES. 121 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,560 Bijou. Oh God, I mean, they haven't 122 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:55,480 called me yet, so. They're going to get to it. 123 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,120 Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure. 124 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,280 They just maybe lost my number. It's fine. 125 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,240 So we got a couple of emails this morning actually that I 126 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:08,040 wanted to read. The first one was from Shira, I 127 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,280 think. And Shira, I'm going to split 128 00:06:10,280 --> 00:06:13,560 your e-mail up because we're actually recording chapter 13 129 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,920 today, but it's going to be in our next episode, so I'm going 130 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:18,800 to move that part to that chapter. 131 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:20,240 But the opening was just so funny. 132 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:21,280 I just had to read it to you guys. 133 00:06:21,280 --> 00:06:24,680 So she said, I just finished listening to the latest episode. 134 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,560 It was great. The comment at the end about 135 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,720 Strike playing to his strengths and one of you it was Pools 136 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,440 commenting get out your broom. Strike made me cackle. 137 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,080 How did none of you make a broomstick joke? 138 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,040 I was making the broomstick. Joke. 139 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,120 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was yeah. 140 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,560 That was the joke. Yeah, it was the joke. 141 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:44,560 Yeah, it was. We all know what I. 142 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:45,760 Meant we. All Yeah. 143 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:47,760 You know, I like to try to keep it subtle. 144 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,600 I don't spell it out right. I'm being subtle about it. 145 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,320 Yeah, Classy. It's classy. 146 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:54,840 Crude. Classy crude. 147 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,360 Yeah. I think that we should really 148 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,880 take that on classy crude. That's our, that's our thing. 149 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:01,880 We're classy crude. CC. 150 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,080 You know, I drink my buzz ball with my pinky up and everything. 151 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,920 We make a broomstick joke. Subtly, classy, crude. 152 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,200 The second e-mail was from Tea about Psyche and Eros and I 153 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,360 really loved this interpretation. 154 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,120 So T said. Hi ladies, just started 155 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,680 listening to your latest episode where you were talking about the 156 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,920 myth of Psyche and Eros. I would like to perhaps approach 157 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,320 the story in a more spiritual way, as I think it makes better 158 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,760 sense for Strike and Robin's future union. 159 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,040 So the story has deeper layers, one of which is the soul's 160 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,160 journey to the underground, her own depth to get to know 161 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:39,200 herself, meet and accept her own shadows so she can reach inner 162 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,760 union before the outer union can occur. 163 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,560 So Eros acts like a mirror, showing Psyche her own divine 164 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,960 light, but she searches and reaches for this love outside of 165 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,320 herself. But she needs to venture deep 166 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:55,080 within her depths to go through trials to find love within her. 167 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:59,120 Or you can even say find her own inner masculine, integrate it 168 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,360 and love herself first. The feminine principle is the 169 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,880 one who receives, does the inner work, and the masculine is the 170 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,200 one who then comes to find and initiate. 171 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:12,040 So what I think will happen in the books to come is we will see 172 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,080 Robin slowly meeting and embracing her own shadows 173 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,320 because at the moment she is pushing them away, doesn't want 174 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,000 to look or see. And that is making all those 175 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,280 shadows come back bigger. Because they want to be seen and 176 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:28,000 integrated and get to accept herself, love herself before she 177 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,520 is ready for strike or any healthy relationship. 178 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,600 Because if not, their relationship won't be built on 179 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,000 healthy ground. And therefore, sorry Lindsay, 180 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,280 but I don't think Charlotte is Aphrodite. 181 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,840 So my interpretation was that Aphrodite was Charlotte because 182 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,360 she's the one kind of causing the drama. 183 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,240 Kind of hovering spectrally over everything and. 184 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:54,200 Yeah, yeah, I think she's saying that Robin is getting in her own 185 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,560 way. Going down to the underworld 186 00:08:56,560 --> 00:09:01,520 means going into herself and working on her own issues. 187 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,600 Yeah, I don't think we were acting like that wasn't what she 188 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,280 was doing, like it wasn't going to be metaphorical or her 189 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,320 searching within herself on any level. 190 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,160 And I don't think that that I don't think that that 191 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,840 interpretation even that she's proposing means that Charlotte's 192 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,520 not Aphrodite. I agree, I think it could be 193 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:21,040 both, but I I do like this idea that because we were looking for 194 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:26,080 something to represent Robin going to the underworld and I 195 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,920 like the idea of. Shadow work therapy and yeah, 196 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,400 like, yeah. Going down into yourself kind of 197 00:09:33,560 --> 00:09:38,080 is going into the I I like that interpretation of how we can see 198 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,480 Robin go into the underworld is actually going into herself and 199 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,800 and working through her demons. I really like that idea. 200 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:46,600 Yeah, yeah. Thank you, T. 201 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,400 OK. We have one more thing to get to 202 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,920 and I should have known. I should have known this is 203 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,280 going to be a thing because anytime we talk about food, 204 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,640 Yeah, anytime. Think you might have actually 205 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,160 gotten cancelled for this, Lindsay? 206 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,800 People feel more strongly about food than they do about that 207 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:03,520 other thing. Especially candy. 208 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,880 People have very strong opinions about candy. 209 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,120 I think when it comes to differences between British and 210 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:14,400 American, it really just clashes, you know, and people 211 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:18,000 come out swinging. So we last time had the 212 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,680 discussion about Murphy bringing Robin Maltesers. 213 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,640 Yes, I hate them. Yes, I hate them as well, I 214 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,480 assume. And we said that they're just 215 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,000 whoppers, right? Which I don't like. 216 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,400 They're very similar. Ken said she likes Whoppers. 217 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,680 People are saying and telling us that they're very different. 218 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,960 So I drug my kids to World Market. 219 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,840 If you don't have World Market, they have a whole grocery 220 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:45,960 section that is just international things. 221 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:50,800 It's really cool. So I found a packet of Maltesers 222 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,160 and I made sure that these were the UK ones because they 223 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,480 actually had some from Germany. But I was I got the UK ones, 224 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,640 which meant I spent eight more dollars to be authentic. 225 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,000 My God. You're welcome. 226 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,800 Dedicated. This was $10.00 for this bag. 227 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,360 Wait too much money? I also got I got a thing of 228 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:14,360 Whoppers so that we can taste and compare and Ken's you have. 229 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,000 Both of these as well, right? I do. 230 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,320 I make it too. I actually got mine off of 231 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:22,360 Amazon and I have a little, a ludicrously large box of 232 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,400 Maltesers. So I really, my God, I really 233 00:11:24,680 --> 00:11:27,240 better like them. Yeah, I'm going to be like, OK, 234 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,120 people in my house, you're going to have to eat these. 235 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,680 So what do you think, Ken's? We're going to try these. 236 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,720 What are you expecting? I did not buy either because I 237 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,400 don't like them and I'm not wasting calories or money on 238 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,640 them. I fully expect that these are 239 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,120 going to taste exactly the same and they. 240 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:43,880 Might have like a different flavor. 241 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:45,440 I don't think I'm going to like them. 242 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,960 It's a texture that puts me off OK. 243 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:49,760 So I'm going to start with a whopper. 244 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,040 Yeah, I just dropped. I just dropped a whopper on the 245 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:53,320 floor. OK, I'm going to start a 246 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:53,760 whopper. Uh huh. 247 00:11:56,680 --> 00:11:58,400 Sorry to crunch. And I hate them. 248 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,680 I hate whoppers. Yeah, they're so gross. 249 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,560 They're awful. I'm really glad I'm not putting 250 00:12:03,560 --> 00:12:05,440 myself. I would rather drink Buckley's, 251 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,240 genuinely. I like, I like it makes you feel 252 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,800 so fresh and clean and hollowed out. 253 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:15,680 Yeah, I just don't like Whoppers at all. 254 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,440 No Describe them for listeners who haven't got them. 255 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,920 Eating curdled milk. It's like dry milk in the 256 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,240 middle, right? That's what it is. 257 00:12:26,560 --> 00:12:29,560 Is so yeah, Whoppers, the original malted milk balls. 258 00:12:29,560 --> 00:12:31,280 That's what it is. It's. 259 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,920 Malted milk covered in milk chocolate, that's. 260 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,440 What Maltesers are, isn't it? Yes, I know. 261 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,760 So they're telling us that they're different things. 262 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,360 I don't. Guys, I hate to break this to 263 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:43,320 you. I don't think they're going to 264 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,560 be different at all. I'm actually invested now. 265 00:12:45,560 --> 00:12:47,560 Are these going to be different? OK. 266 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,720 All right. Hold on, for the record, I can't 267 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:52,760 believe I have to eat one of these things twice. 268 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,400 Now look for the record, a whopper. 269 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:00,040 A whopper is in this hand. Here is a Malteser. 270 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,520 They look identical. Everyone's saying they're not 271 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,600 the same at all. Guess what, guys? 272 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:07,520 They're going to be OK. Very. 273 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:09,600 Similar. OK, here I go. 274 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,800 OK, I'm on the edge of my seat here. 275 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,920 They're a little bit lighter on the inside and I have a. 276 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,880 Slightly thicker. They have thicker chocolate. 277 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,520 It's a little bit lighter other than that. 278 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,480 It's essentially the same thing, OK. 279 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:25,800 Yeah, it's the same. It is. 280 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,200 Lighter. It's the same candy it the milk 281 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,120 part is lighter. Lighter. 282 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,040 Airier. Texturally. 283 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,680 Texturally, Whoppers are a little more dense. 284 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,000 You get more of I really. Hate Whoppers? 285 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,800 Yeah, you get more of the the milk, the malted. 286 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:41,240 Milk. I think I've only ever had 287 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,400 Maltesers. I would really hate Whoppers. 288 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,040 You would really hate Whoppers. Really. 289 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,720 Yeah, I hate them. So OK so there is a slight 290 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,080 difference but it's the same candy. 291 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:55,120 My opinion has not changed that Robin should have got a better 292 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:56,320 candy. Yes. 293 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:58,360 I'm really glad I didn't buy those. 294 00:13:58,360 --> 00:13:59,800 Didn't. Participate in this. 295 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,000 Yeah, pretty proud of myself for that. 296 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:06,560 Anyway, those are either going in the trash or going to Jack or 297 00:14:06,560 --> 00:14:08,680 David. Yeah, sorry everybody. 298 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,240 Yeah, I mean exactly. Pretty much what? 299 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,200 We it was exactly what I said. Yeah. 300 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,800 Yeah. Not a shocker. 301 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:19,520 No. Yeah, right. 302 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:23,080 Should we go to Chapter 7? Let's do it. 303 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,240 Let's do it all right. In this chapter, Robin looks 304 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:30,600 into the Mullins case and the epigraph dully at the leaden 305 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:35,840 sky, staring and with idle eye measuring the listless plane, I 306 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:39,920 began to think again. And that is from 31 Hellgate 307 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,560 from Last Poems by AE Hausman. And this to me just reads like 308 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,680 Robin is using the case to help her get her mind off of what 309 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:51,000 happened with her in pregnancy. Yeah, I think it's talking about 310 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,120 how she's been through this really awful ordeal, but she's 311 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,840 beginning to think again. She's turning her focus back to 312 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:00,440 work. Also the title Hellgate very 313 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,440 appropriate. Very appropriate. 314 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:06,080 I feel like I definitely quoted this specific bit at some point 315 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,840 in one of our predictions episodes, or at least this poem, 316 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,360 because when we found out some of the poems would be from 317 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,840 Houseman, I was like, this one has epigraph potential. 318 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:16,680 So I'm calling that a win, although I'm not going back to 319 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,080 check if I actually did quote it. 320 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,320 I don't remember it. Well, yeah, I think if I didn't 321 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,320 quote it, I definitely thought about it so. 322 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,320 It's still not. It counts, yes, but it's 323 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,040 definitely app for Robin in this chapter. 324 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:35,280 She spends a huge chunk of this trying really hard not to think 325 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,400 about certain things. Yeah, loving Strike. 326 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:39,960 And instead of filling her mind with like, murder, Mason, 327 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,840 Silver, whatever. It's so weird because I 328 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,200 constantly think about loving strike. 329 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,800 I know that's because I'm. Sorry, kids, are you just like, 330 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:52,400 are you just like casually? Eating the Maltesers like I'm 331 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:56,440 eating the Whoppers. Oh, even worse, you. 332 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,560 Can choose the worst ones. Cool. 333 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,920 Sorry, that was distracting. No, that's fine. 334 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,360 So the next lines of this poem go. 335 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:09,160 Many things I thought of then. Battle and the loves of men. 336 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:12,520 Cities entered, oceans crossed, knowledge gained, A virtue lost, 337 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:16,520 careless folly done and said. And the lovely way that led to 338 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,800 the slime pit and the mire and the everlasting fire. 339 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,400 And I just like this because I feel like though she's trying to 340 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,160 distract herself, she can try as hard as she wants, but her 341 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:31,080 thoughts, her unruly thoughts always end up making their way 342 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,160 back to strike. Same. 343 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:37,680 And to Robin, I know thinking about loving strike only leads 344 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:39,960 to pain, right? So for her, if you think of all 345 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,360 these other things, it all goes back to strike, all goes back to 346 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:47,920 the mire and the fire, you know? I like to think of Murphy as a 347 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,760 slime pit and strike his everlasting fire. 348 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,760 Well, maybe so, yeah, maybe she has to go through the slime pit 349 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:55,760 and the mire to get to some of that. 350 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:58,640 The good fire. Will she have to fight some 351 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,120 rodents of unusual size on the way there? 352 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,119 I don't. I don't think they exist. 353 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,119 That was good pulls. Yeah. 354 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,640 Maybe that should be our new nickname for Murphy. 355 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,480 He's an ROUS. He is an Rus. 356 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,839 We really wish he didn't exist. Yeah, yeah. 357 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,280 Well, the chapter starts out with Robin getting discharged 358 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,319 from the hospital and being advised to avoid hard exercise 359 00:17:20,319 --> 00:17:22,880 and only resume normal activities after a few days. 360 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,119 And when I first read this, I expected it to be Robin's 361 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:30,040 version of Strikes, creative interpretation of the Doctor's 362 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,720 advice and Ink black heart. It kind of was, yes. 363 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,800 She takes the days off, but she avoids her follow up for a 364 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,280 while. There's that time she pushes it 365 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,800 physically and ends up in pain. Oh yeah, totally. 366 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,240 Strikes was just written in a way that was a bit more 367 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,240 humorous, I guess. Strike was the man way and it 368 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,360 was funny. Yeah, I always love his. 369 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,240 You know, he's planning to interpret it. 370 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:52,160 Yeah. It's so good. 371 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:56,520 It's so funny, so funny. Because I relate I say I just 372 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,800 literally said it's the man way when I did the exact same thing. 373 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:05,600 But Robin's definitely following the letter of the law here. 374 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,200 She's out on Sunday and back to work Wednesday. 375 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,680 So that is that's three days. She definitely doesn't follow 376 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,760 the spirit of the law, which is you're recovering from a 377 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,680 traumatic medical event, maybe listen to your body a little bit 378 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:19,480 and take it easy. Yeah. 379 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,960 Also, like, I know that there's the whole the opiate crisis. 380 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,320 You don't want to get hooked after a surgery on the strong 381 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:29,040 meds, but she nearly died. Is there nothing stronger than 382 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:30,760 Tylenol and Advil they can give her? 383 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,920 Well, actually the Tylenol ibuprofen combo is highly 384 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:36,600 effective. Is it? 385 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,680 I learned this from Anna Kira because I had asked her once if 386 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,000 I could take those things together, she said that's 387 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,440 actually what she was given for her C-section. 388 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,240 It's very effective. I wonder why they work together. 389 00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:50,560 I don't know, I was given something stronger for my 390 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,280 C-section, but after a couple of days it doesn't. 391 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:57,400 It's not as necessary. So I would imagine that the 392 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,680 ibuprofen Tylenol worked really well for her surgery. 393 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:01,560 Well. Good. 394 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,640 I'm glad. I mean, it's not as fun. 395 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,000 I know, right? You get to sleep a lot more with 396 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:08,720 the other. Stuff. 397 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:10,920 Take the good stuff. You wouldn't take the good 398 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:12,600 stuff. No, she wouldn't, because she 399 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,920 wants to work through it. Yeah, of course she does. 400 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:16,360 Yeah. God damn it, Robin. 401 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:18,480 Robin and I are not the same on that front. 402 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,320 We are not the same. We need the good stuff. 403 00:19:21,360 --> 00:19:23,360 I can have a sick day, I can take 5. 404 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,520 Yes please. Doctor tells me to take three 405 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,640 days off. I'm going to creatively 406 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:29,920 interpret that as like 5 to 6 days. 407 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,200 Yeah, right. I needed the extra time. 408 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,200 It's very important, the doctors ordered. 409 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,000 Right times two. Yeah, totally. 410 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,840 Why don't I just take two weeks? I might as well crack it up. 411 00:19:39,360 --> 00:19:41,920 I have the sick days. We get some more information 412 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,720 about the state of Robin's mental health and things are 413 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,160 really not great for her. They are not Robin. 414 00:19:47,360 --> 00:19:50,160 She's been having nightmares of being trapped in the box at 415 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,600 Chapman Farm, has developed a symptom of agoraphobia called 416 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,160 enoclophobia or a fear of crowds, and she constantly 417 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,800 sleeps with the light on if Murphy's not there with her. 418 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,400 That really made me feel sad when I found out she was 419 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,120 sleeping with the light on. Yeah, me too. 420 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,880 I was curious about like, if Murphy's not there, I hope it's 421 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,480 because she actually does feel safer with him sleeping there 422 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,280 and not that she's just forcing herself to turn it off because 423 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,160 she doesn't want him to know. Oh, I. 424 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,480 For sure. Think it's that she feels safer 425 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:19,680 with someone else there. Yeah. 426 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:21,640 She feels safe enough to turn it off, I hope. 427 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:22,880 Yeah, of course. Yeah. 428 00:20:23,360 --> 00:20:25,680 Although you know who should definitely feel super safe 429 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:27,440 sleeping with? Well, yeah. 430 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,880 Now that we're on the topic. Yeah, much. 431 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,760 Safer, probably. Not that we needed much prodding 432 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,360 to get in that direction. She'd never need her light at 433 00:20:35,360 --> 00:20:37,240 all, she could just get rid of the bedside lamp. 434 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,080 I've got this big man over here. He is my light. 435 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,840 OK, so why do you think this fear of crowds developed? 436 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,840 Because what is it about her experience at Chapman Farm that 437 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,240 would lead to this? I don't know much about that. 438 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:51,600 From what I've been reading, when you're stuck in a group of 439 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,800 people where behavior is really rigidly controlled and any 440 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:59,520 deviation from that is punished, it can lead to a fear of crowds. 441 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,800 And I think it's got a bit to do with control as well, like being 442 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,240 scared of losing control of yourself again, that's. 443 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,560 Really interesting. You know what, I can see how 444 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,160 that makes sense, Ken's. Because if you've spent all this 445 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,360 time being punished for being seen to deviate, feeling like 446 00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:16,280 you're constantly under surveillance, the more people 447 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,920 who are in an area to witness you, the bigger the threat is 448 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:20,800 right there. That's a lot of ice. 449 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,400 And a lot of judgement. We spoke in the last couple of 450 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,240 episodes about Robin's tendency to assume she can read people's 451 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,200 minds. And it pops up here again when 452 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,280 it says Robin knew what happened when she told people she was 453 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,000 struggling mentally. They told her to stop doing her 454 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,800 job. They it's Linda and Matthew at 455 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,400 this point. So let's not project them onto 456 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:44,400 everybody around you. I mean, to be fair, I fully 457 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:48,320 believe that right fucking Murphy would also tell her to 458 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:49,800 stop. Yeah, I. 459 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,160 Fully believe he would get on that train if he had the chance. 460 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,160 I just want to tell her like who gives a shit if people around 461 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:57,760 you don't like you staying in this job. 462 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,400 You will be OK if people don't approve of you staying in the 463 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,560 job you love. I think it's just the constant 464 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,120 questioning, the constant criticism that makes her just 465 00:22:06,120 --> 00:22:08,960 not want to tell people because why should she have to hear it 466 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,840 all the time if she knows what she wants? 467 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,120 And you know, as I've said, I have a hard time relating to 468 00:22:14,120 --> 00:22:16,720 Robin in this book, but this I can really relate to. 469 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,800 It's just, well, if you're going to keep telling me this, I'm not 470 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,720 going to tell you what's going on, then just. 471 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,160 Don't bother. Also, Robin really does need to 472 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,680 work on actually feeling her emotions and not just 473 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,640 intellectualizing them so that she can work through and pass 474 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,560 them and not just carry them around all the time. 475 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,520 Wow, Ken's you know what? The therapist who come up up my 476 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:38,440 on my TikTok free page tell me that all the time. 477 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,120 What exactly do you mean by that? 478 00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:44,200 Like how does one do that? What I understand, people can 479 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:48,720 feel emotions as sensations in their bodies, or they are 480 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:53,480 supposed to feel emotions as physical sensations, which seems 481 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,360 wild to me. It's like, oh, my stomach is 482 00:22:56,360 --> 00:22:58,680 clenching because of whatever. I'm like, I don't. 483 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,360 OK, maybe I don't know. I don't. 484 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,280 I don't quite grasp it either to be honest. 485 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,320 OK, but I haven't managed it yet. 486 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,240 Do you have an example of how Robbins doing this? 487 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,880 She's thinking what she should feel. 488 00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:14,960 Yeah. She's not feeling things. 489 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,520 She's saying I think I love. Oh, no, I definitely know she's 490 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,160 not feeling love for Ryan. She's thinking, trying to think 491 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:22,400 herself into love. Right. 492 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:23,720 I should. Feel this way? 493 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,200 She's probably guilt trip herself into feeling a way she 494 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,120 doesn't feel. Yeah, she's building a narrative 495 00:23:28,120 --> 00:23:30,640 in her head that she's telling herself or her emotions and 496 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,440 she's refusing to actually feel. Any and that's why it ends up 497 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,600 spilling over into like those moments like with her crying in 498 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,600 the office or at Sark or whatever, because she's just not 499 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:44,560 letting herself actually sit down and analyze things. 500 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,920 Like she says she's not going to because oh, I don't need to do 501 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,680 that. Like yes, you do you. 502 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,960 Do when you, when you say you don't feel emotions, I mean, you 503 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:56,000 can feel love, right? She feels all of those things 504 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,800 with strike when she gets butterflies, when you know the 505 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,720 trembling. Yeah, it's just the hard things 506 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,680 that I feel like she's trying to like, skirt her way. 507 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,520 Well, I'm just. I'm just using that as an 508 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,720 example because she can feel that emotion physically, but 509 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,680 she's in her mind, she's telling herself if it's not what she 510 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,680 feels. And also like intellectualizing 511 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,320 can be like analyzing the absolute everliving fuck out of 512 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,840 like why you're feeling this way rather than just like letting it 513 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:25,240 be. Like if you're feeling sad and 514 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,200 you want to cry, you don't have to sit here and be like, why am 515 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:29,760 I feeling sad? Why am I crying? 516 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,080 Like just it happened. No, there's no need for that. 517 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,280 Like, I know that it sounds fake. 518 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,880 I know. And you don't need to. 519 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,160 You don't have to constantly sit here and be like, why? 520 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:47,120 Why? OK, I know, I know. 521 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,480 Shag Therapy edition. Too much therapy, it says. 522 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,160 Strike had once or twice suggested for taking more leave 523 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,080 after those intense months undercover. 524 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,080 But Robin didn't want a holiday. She wanted to be busy, to bury 525 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,160 herself. An investigation to fill up her 526 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,280 restless mind with other people's problems. 527 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,400 So like Strike, I cannot relate to not wanting a holiday. 528 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,720 I can strongman be more relatable. 529 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,040 You're going through something rough and you're like more work. 530 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:13,760 I'm like, I can't relate to that. 531 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,560 I don't want more work. Yeah, but The thing is that 532 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,040 Strike is not suggesting that she quit like other people do. 533 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,720 Yeah. He's saying take some time off. 534 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,560 Yeah. And she literally said these 535 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,280 things to him in Ink Black Heart about taking care of himself. 536 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,920 They also had this conversation in Lethal White where he tells 537 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,920 her that I need you to be mentally fit to do this job and. 538 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,160 Sometimes 1 needs to have the same conversation like four or 539 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,240 five, six times before it really registers I guess. 540 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,360 Apparently. But hey, by the end of this. 541 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,560 Book she actually does want a holiday, so that's gross. 542 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,920 I hope that she goes back to Sardinia. 543 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,520 Right after Strike proposes, marriage would be a really good 544 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,560 time for that because it would keep to the pattern of him 545 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,800 totally ruining every holiday she's ever taken by making her 546 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,160 be in love with him. Yeah. 547 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,880 Yeah, I just want to see that pattern. 548 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,320 I think that could happen just because of that pattern. 549 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,600 Yeah, it. Would be so funny if we opened 550 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,240 it up with her like fucking I'm going on a holiday so I can go 551 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,440 be mad about Strike in a different country as usual. 552 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,080 You said earlier that Robin and Strike are the same cans, and 553 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,080 they so are because she's running away from her emotions 554 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,320 like Strike spent books and books trying to limp away from 555 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:28,800 the pain and the injury in his knee. 556 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,480 To me, her calling the therapist at the end of this book is just 557 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,840 like Strike buying a vape and asking whether wine or beer has 558 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,920 fewer calories in the last half of Ink Black Heart. 559 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,760 So I love that I. Really, I know you. 560 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:44,160 I really think we're on track for Robin to improve with a bit 561 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,440 of backsliding in the first half of Book 9, but with that massive 562 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,360 realization halfway through if their growth is following that 563 00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:52,880 same pattern. Strike backslide. 564 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,880 Oh well, bijou is a backslide. I think we could call bijou A 565 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,440 backslide, yes, but you know what? 566 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,720 We got through it. We're going to get. 567 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,960 Through whatever nonsense Robin is doing in the 1st. 568 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,120 We did. And you know what Bijou got us? 569 00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:07,120 Rugby. Let's be honest, that's. 570 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,080 True, she did. She did give us rugby and your 571 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:17,680 first screen role. Hopefully, so. 572 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:22,280 Hopefully, hopefully whatever Robin does, it will also bring 573 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,880 us something amazing. Yes, that was great. 574 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:26,640 It will be, you know, it will be. 575 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,080 So it says that Murphy's stuck at work with his gang shooting 576 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,560 case. Does anyone, I mean, want to 577 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,560 throw out the suggestion that he's drinking at a pub sometimes 578 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,440 and says that he's working late? Yeah. 579 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,000 Maybe that's why he's not doing great on the case, because he's 580 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,320 spending all time at the pub. Yeah, he's not working late 581 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,240 because he's a singer. He is not. 582 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:53,920 I'm drinking late because I'm a drinker that doesn't really. 583 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,000 I think he's both at work and slamming down the vodka. 584 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,960 Oh yeah, you know, same time. Bring the pub to work? 585 00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:05,280 Why not? So Robin's feeling weepy about 586 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,520 everything that happened, and she chastises herself for 587 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,680 mourning the loss of this Fallopian tube and the obviously 588 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,280 the choice to conceive naturally, because she then 589 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,640 compares herself to Strike, who lost his leg. 590 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,000 And I know that you made the comparison pools before and you 591 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,920 kind of laughed it off like, Oh my gosh, that's not the same. 592 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,080 But I don't think it was a wrong comparison to make. 593 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,880 Yeah, yeah, because I mean, they're both pretty life 594 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,400 changing losses, right? Robin is being super unfair to 595 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,560 herself here. I know that we're asking for 596 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,680 examples not that long ago of her just not letting herself 597 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,680 feel weepy and feel sad about it. 598 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,920 Right here's one time. Here's the time where that 599 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,840 happens. If she's feeling weepy about it, 600 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,120 like she should just let herself cry about it, like she's clearly 601 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,240 feeling sad, like she should just let herself cry about it, 602 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,520 but she's sitting here saying, oh, well, Strike has it worse. 603 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,560 I don't need to be feeling weepy about it. 604 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,800 Right. She's not left disabled by it, 605 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,080 but she is left changed. Exactly exactly. 606 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,520 Her fallopian tube just ruptured and filled her abdomen with 607 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,840 blood. Like that is a medical emergency 608 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,960 and she could have died if she had not gotten help. 609 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,160 That is not nothing, and damn it, it is not a competition to 610 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,480 see who's more, who's suffering is more worthy of feeling bad 611 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,800 about. But also, so Ken's last time you 612 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,320 had said in our last recording session about the losses, they 613 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,920 each experience being specific to their experiences as a man 614 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,320 and as a woman. And I think that this is 615 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,160 reflecting it too. So Robin's thinking about it in 616 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,440 a purely physical sense where Strike is left disabled and 617 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,080 she's not. But we've seen quite a few times 618 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,440 throughout the series that Strike thinks of himself as not 619 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,200 being whole, right? And I think it's fair to say 620 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,160 that Robin has a right to feel that way too, because of what 621 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,400 she's lost. And I think these losses are 622 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,320 connected to their sex, their experience of being a man and a 623 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,640 woman. So obviously Robin's loss is 624 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,880 self-explanatory to how that's unique to being a woman. 625 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,720 But I, I looked it up and 90% of the UK army is male. 626 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:02,920 So historically I think losing life or limb in war is going to 627 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,960 fall on men. So I think there is something 628 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,600 there. Anyway, switching topics, I 629 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,520 remember how happy I was in Ink Black Heart when Robin bought 630 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,760 this flat and how much she loved it. 631 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,960 Right. And this stupid inconsiderate 632 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,480 man child upstairs drives me nuts with his music. 633 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,280 Who does this? Stupid, inconsiderate man 634 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,440 children. I'm going to full on blame this 635 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,560 guy for the house hunting that comes up for making life so 636 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,560 difficult for Robin. Absolutely. 637 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:31,840 Yeah. I was just about to say this 638 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,080 Jackass is the reason we're having to deal with house 639 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:35,840 hunting. So this guy, Yeah. 640 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,240 Seriously. And then, and to make it worse, 641 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,640 Linda calls. They had to put round, they had 642 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,760 to put Roundtree doubt. I'm sorry but I I laughed out 643 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,480 loud when I read this because of our debate. 644 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:48,800 Wow. Me too. 645 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,800 I I laughed a lot. I. 646 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,360 Had to. It was like I was. 647 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,240 Laughing so hard. No. 648 00:30:55,640 --> 00:31:00,880 Well I was genuinely upset. So still upset. 649 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,720 But that's fine. We all have different reactions 650 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,080 to things. Yep. 651 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,760 Crazy that that Michael is looking at replacement some dogs 652 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,920 already because like, you have to mourn. 653 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,960 Remember when I was like, get a puppy? 654 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,280 Oh my God. Well, you and Michael Ellicott 655 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,480 would get along for sure. Of course. 656 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,240 Poor Robin who is genuinely upset about this news as well. 657 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,640 Because, I mean, she gets over it pretty quickly. 658 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,840 Well, she does have other big things on. 659 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,120 Doesn't have the bandwidth for Roundtree. 660 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,680 And weirdly, she doesn't tell Linda any of her problems. 661 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,600 I'm not. Sure that they could have any 662 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,040 kind of conversation right now that wouldn't leave Robin 663 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,120 feeling being offended in Linda feeling defensive. 664 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,680 But maybe sometime in nine though. 665 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,320 This might be a really obvious observation, but when Robin 666 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,960 starts to Google the body and the silver vault, there's a 667 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,880 reminder that all of this had taken place while she was away 668 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,000 in Chapman Farm. And it just hit me that all the 669 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,760 time Joe's writing The Running Grave and mentioning that she 670 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,480 was cut off from everything. All the time she mentions 671 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,080 newspapers and not knowing what's going on in the outside 672 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,280 world. She had planned for this case to 673 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,320 have happened during that time. And like she's setting it up. 674 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,920 It's just the the building, the world building, the setups and 675 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,720 the patience that she has for all of this. 676 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,920 It says that the whole saga of this news coverage, like the 677 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,520 cycle went on for a month. So looking at the dates, the 678 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,720 story would have fallen out of the papers for good just before 679 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,360 for Robin and escape from Chapman Farm and rejoin the 680 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,720 outside world because she escaped on Harry's birthday, 681 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,800 July 31st. And this would have fallen on 682 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,360 the paper like last week of July because it started on June 18th. 683 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,920 Can you just randomly say Harry's birthday? 684 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,320 Yeah, Harry's birthday. That's how I identify July 31st. 685 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,720 Harry and Joe's birthday, of course, doesn't. 686 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,360 Everybody. That's a normal thing. 687 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,240 So a perfect timing though to have her know nothing and set up 688 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,120 this exposition chapter. Let's talk about the things we 689 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,560 learned from Robin's Googling. The owner of the silver shop, 690 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,920 Kenneth Ramsey, was the one who found the body. 691 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,880 The quote from him about how shocking it was mentions the 692 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:03,080 body and the missing silver and I have to wonder what was more 693 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,800 shocking and upsetting for him. You have to wonder because I I 694 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,400 definitely don't have to wonder. I know for sure what He was the 695 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,320 most shocked. And upset by Yeah. 696 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,720 Police. Someone's stolen my silver. 697 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,040 All of my silver's gone. I think this mutilated corpse of 698 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,960 my vault might be a clue to that. 699 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,600 Could you investigate and find out where they took my silver? 700 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaking of the silver, the Murdoch silver is the next thing 701 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,360 that Robin googles and I found some something kind of 702 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,680 interesting. So AH, Murdoch is not a real 703 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,640 person. But in the article Robin reads, 704 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,760 it says that he found the second largest silver mine in Peru in 705 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,600 1827. So of course I then googled 706 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:45,040 Peru's Silver 1827 and it says that Peru was heavily involved 707 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,600 in the silver trade and mining efforts, with figures like 708 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,280 Richard Trevathic active in the region during this time. 709 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,400 So Trevathic is that Cornish name that popped up when I tried 710 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,440 to Google strikes grandfathers named Trevik. 711 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,680 That's really interesting. Yeah, this Trevor Thicke 712 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:08,199 returned to Falmouth on October 9th, 1827, Robbins birthday from 713 00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:10,280 Latin America. And I, I guess what I'm 714 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,760 suggesting here is that Joe could have Googled this as part 715 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,360 of creating this history on AH Murdoch. 716 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,199 And that could be where she found the Cornish name 717 00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:21,719 Trevithick. Use it for Strike's grandfather. 718 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,840 It's possible she had it planned for a long time, but it just was 719 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,239 a really fun connection that popped up that I just had to 720 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,480 mention. You know what, it makes sense 721 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,199 that it's a Cornish guy who's popping up when you're looking 722 00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:36,719 at silver mines because Cornwall was was the source of this huge 723 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,880 emigration of skilled miners in the 18th and 19th centuries 724 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,639 because it had been like the most important mining area in 725 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:46,199 Britain for 1000 years. So they have the technique and 726 00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:50,120 skill, but when the price of copper falls, they move away for 727 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,960 work to all over the place. I South America, Mexico, 728 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,960 Australia, South Africa. In Mexico there's an area where 729 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,920 they have Cornish pasties, but like Mexican, it's the local 730 00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:02,280 dish because of all the Cornish miners who moved there. 731 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,440 Wow. Interesting, and the miners in 732 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,880 made of the silver seal are Cornish too, weren't they? 733 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,920 They were, yeah. Indeed. 734 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,240 I've just realized now that these epigraphs make even more 735 00:35:11,240 --> 00:35:13,640 sense to me now, because of course Strike is mining for 736 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,160 silver. He's a Cornish man. 737 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,240 Mining's in his DNA. Yeah, one of the articles has a 738 00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:22,400 still of William Wright's from the security footage, and it 739 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,320 says they were of such poor quality that Wright could have 740 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,960 been almost any bearded, bespectacled man. 741 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,800 Is it a stretch to suggest that this might be a hint towards the 742 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,480 fact that the real William Wright or Tyler was replaced 743 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,320 with someone else the day of the crime? 744 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,600 It could have been anybody, because it was. 745 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,560 Totally. It's not a stretch. 746 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,800 I think this sentence, absolutely. 747 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:49,560 It sets up the facts in such a way that a replacement is 748 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:51,880 possible. So if you're listening to facts 749 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,280 and you test the theory, he was someone else pretending to be 750 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,880 right at one point. The theory where it works, the 751 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,400 test passes. He used the Paula Juice potion. 752 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,880 Yeah, the clues were there, but only if we had the brains to 753 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,000 think of the possibility before Strike literally spells it out 754 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,800 for us, of course, which we will never have. 755 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,640 So. I'm really curious about what 756 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,560 day this still was taken from. So if it was the day of the 757 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,840 murder, then that means that the image that Robin is looking at 758 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,720 is actually Griffs, right? If it's past 6:00. 759 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,360 It says his shape was the most distinctive thing about him 760 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,240 because, while quite short, he was well proportioned with broad 761 00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:31,600 shoulders. I want to say that it was 762 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,840 because like when they meet Griffs in person in chapter 66, 763 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,240 Robin thinks that the first thing she'd noticed about Ian 764 00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:40,360 Griffiths was that he wasn't much over 5 feet tall with 765 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,280 tracks with what she sees in still. 766 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,680 It's a fun clue. It's a fun possibility it 767 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,760 because imagine if we had made the mental note to note the 768 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,560 description and then apply it to the suspects. 769 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,480 Yeah. I don't know if the stills were 770 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,480 from the day of the murder. If we'd known from the start 771 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,880 that the killer pretended to be him for the cameras, then it 772 00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,280 would have made the solve because we just seen Griffin be 773 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,120 like, oh, he's short enough, he did it. 774 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,440 I really hope that this next bit turns out to be as exciting as I 775 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,080 thought that it was going to be when I first read the book, 776 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,880 because hearing that the murder mirrored this legend of Hiram a 777 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,360 Biff, my first thought was, oh, that could be fun for the 778 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,240 podcast. You know, I wonder what that's. 779 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,000 Yes, the book does have a brief overview of this legend, but I 780 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:27,160 went online looking for more. From what I have read, this 781 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,800 isn't just a legend in Freemasonry. 782 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,840 It's the legend, the most important. 783 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,080 He's the Freemason hero. Right. 784 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,560 He's an icon, he's a legend, and he is the moment. 785 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:42,000 Wendy Williams would be proud. OK Hiram a Biff is said to be 786 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:46,280 based on the biblical Hiram who was the Craftsman who built the 787 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,880 temple for King Solomon. But everything else about the 788 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,520 murder and everything, that's all Freemason legend. 789 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,120 It's not found anywhere in scripture. 790 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,360 So the legend goes that he was building the temple and he was 791 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,800 entrusted with the secret knowledge of the Master. 792 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,720 Mason's word. I literally think it's one word, 793 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:11,160 a symbol of divine wisdom and understanding. 3 lesser Masons 794 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,720 who they call ruffians in the story. 795 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,840 They're envious of him and they approach him and they try to get 796 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,080 him to tell them the secret, to tell them the word, and they 797 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,280 threaten his life. Despite their threats, Hiram 798 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,000 refused to give away the secrets. 799 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:30,000 They ultimately killed him, each of them striking him with three 800 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,840 different tools, and they buried him in this unmarked grave 801 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,600 before he was found and then given a proper burial. 802 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,320 And then I also think that these three refereeans, as they are 803 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,600 called, they're also found and brought to justice eventually. 804 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,960 Well, they better have been. It says their names are 805 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,320 something like. What are they? 806 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,760 Their names sound made-up. Well, they are. 807 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:55,680 Their names, I know they they sound super made-up. 808 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,200 What are they? I don't know if I. 809 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,120 They were Jubala, Jubalo and Jubalum. 810 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,680 And I'm like, so like, they're Jubes. 811 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,120 They're like Jupe cubed. They're Jupe Cube. 812 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,160 They're Jupe Cube. That sounds made-up, but I mean, 813 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:13,320 like, yeah. Yeah. 814 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,600 It's giving Coriolanus and Janus to me. 815 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,120 You. Know I forgot about that. 816 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,320 OK, so Hiram being found in that initial unmarked grave and then 817 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,200 being brought up from that grave becomes the symbolic 818 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,360 resurrection as they refer to it. 819 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,560 So the Masons, they reenact this legend. 820 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,360 They acted out in front of everybody during an initiation 821 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,160 ceremony where the candidate is guided through this reenactment. 822 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,440 And there is actually a video of it that someone secretly 823 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,040 recorded online. And I watched a bit of it. 824 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:58,680 It's it is so embarrassing, OK. Is it Scott's Tots? 825 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,640 Level. Oh my God. 826 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,720 Dinner party level of cringe. Like where is the on the office 827 00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:06,400 scale of cringe? Where is it? 828 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,520 The office is funny though. Yeah, the office is funny. 829 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:18,240 Watching Scott's Tots is funny. This is for reals so it's worse 830 00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:23,240 than Scotts tots, but I'm one who enjoys Scotts tots so I've. 831 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,400 Never finished the episode, it hurts. 832 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,520 Anyway, the candidate himself does not speak. 833 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,160 He's blindfolded and guided by other men, and then he's 834 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:38,640 approached 1 by 1 and is attacked by each of the three 835 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,320 ruffians. Are they like actually using 836 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,440 like pool noodles and like nerf guns or something? 837 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,520 No. No, I don't think they actually 838 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,000 have anything in their hands. They just. 839 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,680 Sorry to the Masons for making fun of your super serious stuff. 840 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,880 Sorry, Bobby. It's funny, the ruffians 841 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,280 attacks, they symbolize opposition and struggles that 842 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,480 you face in life. When they kill him, there are 843 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,560 other Masons behind that are holding. 844 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:04,840 I mean, it looks like a sheet to me. 845 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,720 But they have handles. And they kill him, and he falls 846 00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:11,240 down backwards into the sheet and they catch him. 847 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,120 And then they carry him away and they pretend to bury him in that 848 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:16,520 unmarked grave. Yeah. 849 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:21,160 And then he is found and resurrected, brought back up by 850 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:25,320 the master Mason with the hands. They do something with the hands 851 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,760 and lifts him up. And then he is supposed to live 852 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,680 his life like Hiram Abiff, where he won't give away the secrets. 853 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,760 And they refer to it as kind of a new birth. 854 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,760 The story of Hiram Abiff highlights perseverance in the 855 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:44,560 face of adversity and the master Mason's ritual where the 856 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,520 candidate undergoes the symbolic death and rebirth. 857 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,880 So it emphasizes the notion that you're rising from the ashes, 858 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,840 you're overcoming life's challenges. 859 00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:56,400 Hiram's story serves as an allegory for the cyclical nature 860 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,880 of human experience, with periods of darkness and despair 861 00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,520 inevitably giving way to renewal and hope. 862 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,280 I just sent you guys the video. Oh no, Oh God. 863 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:11,920 They do it with the with the big lights on with the big lights. 864 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,560 They don't even like turn them off and do some ambient 865 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:15,920 lighting. Only men. 866 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,880 I'm sorry, but only men would do this with the big light. 867 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,240 I'm sorry. I'm I'm sorry. 868 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,880 OK, That's the most outrageous part to me. 869 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,960 Just looking at at the still, it's so bright. 870 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,600 And really want I really want you guys to watch this so I can 871 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,680 just listen to. It's so bright. 872 00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:37,920 OK, I'm turning it on. Give me the secrets of the 873 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,360 Master Mason, or I will take your life. 874 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:45,840 Oh my God, this city's Oh no. Oh, he's just burnt jeans. 875 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,440 Oh my God, they're all swing. The normal outfits. 876 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,440 My cheeks hurt. This is no time or place to 877 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,840 demand those secrets. Oh, no. 878 00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,680 Oh, they're getting the sheet. Oh, dear. 879 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,920 Oh, he's talking the names Jubela. 880 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,480 This is Jubelum. Oh, my God. 881 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,320 The one guy's wearing a tux. The one guy's got a bright red 882 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:14,320 wizard robe. Some of these dudes just walking 883 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:18,320 around and they're like slacks and button downs. 884 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,280 Oh no. And that's just Part 1. 885 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,240 Oh my God. You know, at least the one guy 886 00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:27,760 is really committing to the vocal acting, to the emotion of 887 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,520 the piece. I can appreciate that he's given 888 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,440 it everything. Well, that was. 889 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,520 Great. Yeah, there's that was another 890 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,400 video I saw somewhere that had the resurrection bit, but. 891 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:44,120 You know what, if they're having fun with it, I'm just, why not 892 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,960 do some ambient lighting, Really commit to the costumes, you 893 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,840 know, make it a proper production. 894 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,560 But then don't think about that. Then don't think about this 895 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,720 stuff guys. Get it together. 896 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,200 You can do better than this. Anyway, some of the symbolism 897 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,280 that the Masons take away from this story is truth over 898 00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,320 ignorance. The story is supposed to 899 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,760 represent that truth will always prevail. 900 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,520 Yeah, sounds a lot like Strike. Yeah, there's moral and ethical 901 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,920 guidance. It serves to show the Masons 902 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,640 that they should always hold to their ethics, even in the face 903 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,320 of adversity. Now that is completely strike. 904 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:18,960 It is. Very strike. 905 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,240 And then there's initiation and renewal. 906 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,600 So the raising bit of this reenactment serves to show 907 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,040 personal and spiritual transformation that the 908 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,800 candidate has just undertaken to become a Master Mason. 909 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:37,200 I want to be the very best no Mason ever was. 910 00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:41,200 She's making up a song as we go. Yep. 911 00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:42,680 Well, it was the Pokémon theme song. 912 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,080 It fared away. Oh, and then I lost the rhythm 913 00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:48,320 theme song. How do you know a Pokémon? 914 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,640 You don't know the Pokémon theme song. 915 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,000 You don't know that song. Do you even know Pokémon like 916 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,280 you know Pokémon Joe Toe though? What? 917 00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,400 I guess you didn't watch Pokémon as a kid. 918 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,080 That's cool, that's fine. Anyway, I thought we could 919 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,840 connect this to the case. Yes, the most obvious is that 920 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:10,480 we're given in this paragraph describing Higher Mobif it talks 921 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,280 about the three objects he was killed with. 922 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,400 The book says ornate versions of these were among the objects 923 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,720 stolen from the Ramsay Silver Vault, but obviously we know 924 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,480 that this didn't really matter because these objects weren't 925 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,520 stolen. Other than that, I can't really 926 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:30,160 see how this murder is reminding these online sleuths of the 927 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,080 legend, though. Well, I guess that he was dead. 928 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:38,840 That. There's that, there's. 929 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,800 That but. Yeah, being on the Internet and 930 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,560 coming up with like a crazy theory connected to a myth based 931 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,320 on very tenuous evidence, some huge reach. 932 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:53,320 I can't relate. 0 bells. No, can't relate to that either. 933 00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,800 Can't relate. I would never do that. 934 00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:57,960 I've never done anything like that in my life. 935 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,320 These nerds. So now I was thinking about 936 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,440 connecting this legend and the symbolism to the personal side 937 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,840 of the book. So one thing I saw online when I 938 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,120 was researching this was a discussion about as we have 939 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,760 talked about, someone secretly recorded the reenactment and 940 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:18,360 posted it online. 1 Mason was commenting and saying that he 941 00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,320 knows these are silly things and we might not understand why it 942 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,880 has to be secret, but that his fellow I. 943 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,800 Understand why anyone would want to keep that a secret. 944 00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,280 I fully under I would feel very trade. 945 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,960 I get it guys. Don't worry. 946 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,680 I get it. Anyway, he says that his fellow 947 00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,440 Masons are the men he shares his life with and his troubles with, 948 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,280 so if he can't trust them to keep a silly, meaningless word 949 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,480 secret, then how is he supposed to trust them to keep private 950 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,320 things that he tells them secret? 951 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,360 I can understand that. And he said that Masonry lives 952 00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,680 and dies on trust between its members. 953 00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,920 And that really reminds me of Strike and Robin in this book. 954 00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,760 Not only Strike and Robin, but Dev gets in there too with 955 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,240 trusting Strike. This is a big thing in this 956 00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:04,880 book. Yeah, it sounds like they hold a 957 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,600 firm line on honor and integrity. 958 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,960 Truth over. Ignorance is a huge 1, and I 959 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,480 think that that is all over this book with their personal 960 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,400 relationships. We have Strike and Robin who lie 961 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,320 to each other about certain things, but the truth is going 962 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,840 to come out. And then you have Strike telling 963 00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,200 her the whole truth at the end. And he says because you had to 964 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:28,320 know truth over ignorance. Yeah, they hold to their morals. 965 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,680 I don't know if it's holding to his morals per SE, but the first 966 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,080 thing that comes to mind for me is Strike maintaining his vow to 967 00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,600 not sleep or have a relationship with anyone else in an attempt 968 00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,360 to forget right? Thank God. 969 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,680 To forget his feelings for Robin because things with Kim could 970 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,880 have gone even more disastrously than with Bijou. 971 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,840 I think that it is, you know, he made a vow and he kept it and he 972 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:54,040 understood where that behavior was coming from and changed it 973 00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,720 so. Yeah and then Robin holding onto 974 00:47:56,720 --> 00:47:59,480 her morals and not kissing Strike at the end despite 975 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,400 wanting to because she won't cheat on Murphy like Matthew 976 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,960 cheated on her could work as well. 977 00:48:05,240 --> 00:48:07,760 I mean, I like those morals a lot less. 978 00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:12,720 Surely there can be a a little wiggle room unlike the whole 979 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,560 morals. Thing air quotes. 980 00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:18,840 When it comes to kissing the love of your life, come on. 981 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,400 She should put her morals to the side and do what we want her to 982 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:23,480 do. Ass. 983 00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,400 It's not peer pressure, we just know what's best. 984 00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,360 But are there ways that we see them not holding to their 985 00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,800 morals? Robin's a pursuer of truth and 986 00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,920 she lies a lot in this book, you know, lies that are hurtful, as 987 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,920 we just talked about. I don't think that she realizes 988 00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,680 no, because when you compare, you know, not kissing strike, 989 00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:44,400 she obviously she's like, I'm not going to do that. 990 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,080 That's the wrong thing to do. I don't think she sees how what 991 00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,680 she's doing is kind of similar. Yeah. 992 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,240 She doesn't have the perspective right now to see it, I think. 993 00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:54,840 Because that isn't Robin. She doesn't want to hurt people. 994 00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,040 And she's a fundamentally honest person. 995 00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:58,640 Yeah. So the fact that she's lying so 996 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,520 much in this book, I think is a causing a great deal of her 997 00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:03,600 distress. Yeah. 998 00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,480 Because she's not comfortable lying. 999 00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,080 It's making things difficult for her. 1000 00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,680 Yeah, but also a sign that she's not doing well. 1001 00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,480 There's a lot of cognitive dissonance going on. 1002 00:49:11,720 --> 00:49:15,480 There's a few comments left under this article about Hiram A 1003 00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,960 Biff. I think the most interesting one 1004 00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,000 is the third one. That said, I have heard the 1005 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,560 letter G was carved into rights back and they said it's an 1006 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:27,200 obvious reference to the only surviving letter of Hiram's 1007 00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,000 secret word. And it wasn't actually AG 1008 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,360 though, was it? It was the Salem Cross. 1009 00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:36,320 It's the secret word geodude. I think it was, yeah, Geodude, 1010 00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,520 yeah, definitely. Help us. 1011 00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,760 Yeah. It's just funny to me because 1012 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,480 it's like a double bluff because it wasn't AG carved, but Griff's 1013 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,960 is the man who did it. Yeah, she's dangling it right in 1014 00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,480 front of us. Exactly, She's over here going 1015 00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,400 do I literally have to spell it out for you? 1016 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,840 She really did. Now I'm just imagining if she 1017 00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,360 did another Tom Marvolo Riddle equals I am Lord Voldemort 1018 00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,960 thing, yeah. Quick, what's Switch's name all 1019 00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,600 scrambled up? Right, let's make an anagram. 1020 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,320 Switch Lavey Whitaker, right? Oh, I got to do this right now. 1021 00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,720 Hang. On I got to do this right now. 1022 00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:12,240 What was his full name? Switch? 1023 00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:13,600 Lavey. Bloom, Whitaker. 1024 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,520 Jesus Christ, your. Poor kid generate. 1025 00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:21,720 That's a long name. Livestock thimble throw away. 1026 00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:28,800 I'm just going to do switch Whitaker hackers twit with wow 1027 00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:33,960 tit watcher whisk. Oh my God I thought that would 1028 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:39,240 make you laugh. Kiwi thatch rest. 1029 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:43,080 Wow. The tit wax rise. 1030 00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,560 Oh goodness. Tit wax whiter. 1031 00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,320 That's it. There's a lot of ones that start 1032 00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:53,560 with tit, I guess. Shaq twit wither also great. 1033 00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,920 Yeah. So I think we got to keep an eye 1034 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,080 out for these. I think that after looking at 1035 00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,240 this list, I will recognize Switch's name if it comes up in 1036 00:51:01,240 --> 00:51:03,280 anagram. Anyone named Tit? 1037 00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:07,680 We're on it. Anyone named Tit on him? 1038 00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,960 If Strike doesn't catch it first, we will. 1039 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:16,240 Oh, raw. Thickest with thickest tats with 1040 00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:21,920 her Wick thick war whitest. Anyway, going back to Robin's 1041 00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,080 Googling, then the news comes that they've identified the body 1042 00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,800 as known criminal Jason Knowles, and I love reading the comments 1043 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,160 under this article because it gave me some ink black heart 1044 00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:32,960 flashbacks that were just so fun. 1045 00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:37,160 Same, I love them. I really, really appreciate the 1046 00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,800 way that Joe accurately captures how Internet comments work. 1047 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,520 I love some of the usernames that she came up with. 1048 00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,280 Bluesy Susie. Skanky Doodle. 1049 00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,640 Oh, I guess Susie. Susie is probably someone named 1050 00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,800 Sue. Yeah, the important comment was 1051 00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,600 by someone named Star Banger. That DCI Malcolm Turner is 1052 00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:01,800 himself a Mason. I am actually now super curious 1053 00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:06,040 about who this star banger is and how do they know that Truman 1054 00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,360 is a Mason at that specific lodge? 1055 00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,400 That's a good question. What could the name Star Banger 1056 00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,360 say about this person? Oh my God, maybe it's an 1057 00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,240 anagram. Or maybe they just bang stars. 1058 00:52:17,240 --> 00:52:18,840 I've typed it in. It's Midge. 1059 00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:24,360 She's dating a celebrity, right? Barged trans angst bearer breast 1060 00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:28,160 Gran checks out. Uh, Bra. 1061 00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:33,200 Strange. You may can spit out her drink. 1062 00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,600 Almost. That sounds like a really old 1063 00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,000 diary entry, bra. Strange. 1064 00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:45,840 Strange contraption be grand rats. 1065 00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,720 Speaking of rats, Kim calls. Nice. 1066 00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,440 Yeah, thank you. Thank you. 1067 00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:56,000 But if I didn't already hate Kim Cochran, and I already did, 1068 00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,400 yeah, I totally believe that. The entire point of her calling 1069 00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,920 was to remind Robin that she lost Plug Rude when she had a 1070 00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:07,280 medical emergency, and then also to tell her the total lie that 1071 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,960 Strike was confiding in her. 100% she had no reason to call. 1072 00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,840 When she hung up, Robin's staring narrow eyes at her 1073 00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,040 phone. You know it's the strike part. 1074 00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,240 It is. Oh, 1000%. 1075 00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,800 She'd already made a jocular sideswipe at the fact that 1076 00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,200 Robin, alone of the detective team, had no police or military 1077 00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,800 background, hinting that Robbins main worth to the investigative 1078 00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,240 team was that she was sleeping with a CID officer, then 1079 00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:35,240 laughing loudly. I'm kidding when Barkley had 1080 00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:37,200 retorted. When's the last time you brought 1081 00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,480 down an entire fucking cult? First off, Barkley is a gem. 1082 00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,360 He will always be my absolute favorite and stuff like This is 1083 00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,760 why because from the start he has shown total respect for 1084 00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,920 Robin always. But second, Kim's joke about 1085 00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,360 Robin's main worth to the team being sleeping with a met 1086 00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,120 officer. Take the whole Kim put her 1087 00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,400 straight in the garbage. I already didn't like her but 1088 00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,200 this cemented it into full on hatred. 1089 00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,640 Like fuck this woman. That's pretty rich coming from 1090 00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,040 Kim. I think she's doing some 1091 00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:07,480 projecting. Also, how rude of her to remind 1092 00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,240 us that Robin is sleeping with him. 1093 00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,640 Very rude to us as the reader. We don't like it, we don't want 1094 00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,280 to hear it. No, Strike doesn't want to hear 1095 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:16,160 it. Definitely not. 1096 00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,840 So here's my one complaint about Midge in this book. 1097 00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:24,200 I want her to stop gossiping. She's ruining everything. 1098 00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,240 Amen. And I say this is somebody who 1099 00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:28,640 perpetually wants to know what the T is, but doesn't want to be 1100 00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,520 involved. Like girls, of course. 1101 00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:34,320 But it's her whole fault that Strike started dating Madeline 1102 00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,400 because she was gossiping about Robin hooking up with you, Jax, 1103 00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,320 when she was not. And now she's passing along to 1104 00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,480 Robin that Kim's asking about Strike's relationship status. 1105 00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,000 Girl, tell Strike hey, Kim's asking about you. 1106 00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,880 Don't do it. We know she has no problem 1107 00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,520 telling him to do and what not to do. 1108 00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,560 Of course, Strike already knows. Very. 1109 00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,080 Well. But yeah, but. 1110 00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,000 Then Strike could have said I have no interest in that and 1111 00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,760 Robin wouldn't have to suffer wondering about it. 1112 00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,320 You know, I I have a feeling that you might end up taking 1113 00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,440 this back next book when Midge's gossiping ends up being the 1114 00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,560 thing that somehow pushes them together. 1115 00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,680 Like the gossip sword cuts both ways, you know? 1116 00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,720 If she is going to use her gossip powers for good then have 1117 00:55:17,720 --> 00:55:21,520 at it, but right now she's using her powers for evil and it's 1118 00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,160 driving me nuts. That's fair. 1119 00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:27,640 So we get this whole paragraph that is the Robin version of 1120 00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,120 what we got earlier from Strike. When a woman has spent a period 1121 00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,360 of years asking herself whether she's fallen in love with a man 1122 00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,800 she considers her best friend. When she's sacrificed a marriage 1123 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,600 and financial security for the business they've built together. 1124 00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,920 When, after finding out that that same best friend is 1125 00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,360 secretly sleeping with another woman, she's forced to admit to 1126 00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,360 herself that she has indeed fallen in love with him, then 1127 00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,680 the only thing to do is fall out of love as quickly and as 1128 00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:57,200 cleanly as possible. And this Robin had made every 1129 00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,800 effort to do. Unlike Strike, she didn't 1130 00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,600 particularly want to spend the rest of her non working life 1131 00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,600 living alone in a Spartan flat with a succession of short lived 1132 00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:07,280 affairs to break up the monotony. 1133 00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,520 So she'd done what had been urged upon her by their mutual 1134 00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:14,120 friend Elsa Herbert, and accepted Ryan Murphy's offer of 1135 00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:15,960 a drink. Elsa. 1136 00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,800 Damn it. Elsa did not intend for this 1137 00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,440 Rob. No, Elsa did not intend for it 1138 00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,120 to go this far. Absolutely not, she said. 1139 00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,840 To get a drink with the guy, not string him along for two years. 1140 00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,520 Out. She would be outraged if this is 1141 00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,120 being laid at her door. She's like. 1142 00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,640 I did not say for you to do this, ma'am. 1143 00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:36,080 Yeah, let's break this down though. 1144 00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:40,560 So first of all, a period of years asking herself. 1145 00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:45,480 They met in March of 2010 and she's already been weird about 1146 00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:49,160 Strike being around other women literally from like the get. 1147 00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,320 By the time she finds out that Strike and Madeline have been 1148 00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:57,360 dating in April of 2015, she'll have been wondering for half a 1149 00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,680 decade. God she's in love with this guy. 1150 00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,040 Like where exactly? Her feelings for him lie. 1151 00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,960 That's crazy. I think the first time we see 1152 00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,160 her ask herself this question is when she's on her honeymoon, 1153 00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:13,160 which is July 2011 and. Then, OK, so the parts that 1154 00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,680 reference Madeline I think are really good because first of 1155 00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,960 all, she refers to her as another woman, another. 1156 00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:20,280 Woman. Instead of. 1157 00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:24,040 Whom Robin? It always says to me that at the 1158 00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:27,840 time, Robin was really hoping something was going to come out 1159 00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:29,600 of that almost kiss. Totally. 1160 00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,280 You know what's funny? She uses the same description 1161 00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,000 right after she calls Strike in lethal white and reaches Coco 1162 00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,280 instead. Yeah, I feel like. 1163 00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,440 Like Coco and Madeline are really some of his worst 1164 00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,880 transgressions in Robin's eyes. And in Robin's eyes. 1165 00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,200 Because I think that she was also hoping for something to 1166 00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,400 start after their hug. And so was Strike. 1167 00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,560 We all know how that ended up being miscommunicated. 1168 00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,840 But it's it's the hope of those two things, the hug and then the 1169 00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,600 almost kiss that made it so hard for her. 1170 00:57:57,720 --> 00:57:58,080 Yeah. I. 1171 00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,440 Will always be a bit confused about her reaction in lethal 1172 00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:05,240 White tearing Coco because as far as she knew at this point 1173 00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,280 Strike was still with Ellen. Was she even worried about them 1174 00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,920 moving in together and him showing up with a ring 1 like? 1175 00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,680 Yeah, but didn't it end with earlier Left her at the 1176 00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,240 restaurant? I think that he assumed that 1177 00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:20,280 yes, it was de facto over, but they didn't actually break up 1178 00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,800 until she'd called and dumped him after he got back from 1179 00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,680 Yorkshire and he was like, oh, saves me having to do it. 1180 00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,240 I hadn't really thought about this, yeah. 1181 00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,320 But as far as Robin knows, she should have been expecting Ellen 1182 00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,760 to pick up the phone. And I have a related question, 1183 00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,400 which is did she spend a bunch of time listening to Ellen's 1184 00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,600 radio show in order to be able to recognize that Coco's voice 1185 00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,400 was not Ellen? I hadn't thought about this, I 1186 00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,720 just assumed that she somehow knew they broke up. 1187 00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,400 She didn't. There's no way in the book for 1188 00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,600 her to have known because he fired her immediately after he 1189 00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,800 walked out on Ellen. Somehow it had to have happened 1190 00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:59,280 because I really do think that both she and Strike had hope for 1191 00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:03,800 something after that hug. So something had to have been 1192 00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:08,240 said that we didn't see maybe at the wedding itself at. 1193 00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,320 The wedding, but we saw all their interactions. 1194 00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,200 I think we just have to assume something happened off screen 1195 00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,000 for it to make sense. I can't because it doesn't work 1196 00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,640 with the timeline. They could have said it at the 1197 00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,240 wedding because it they had to have thought. 1198 00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,400 But we saw all their interactions at the wedding. 1199 00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,720 I thought this. Could have just been a timeline 1200 00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:29,160 mistake between the two books because there were so many 1201 00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:33,760 years, but I think we have to assume that they had both hoped 1202 00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:37,960 for something after that hug. Which is why feels so depressed 1203 00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:41,840 that she went with Matthew and then in turn she feels so 1204 00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,240 depressed that there was another woman answering the phone. 1205 00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:48,200 So it could be a timeline mistake that took place between 1206 00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:51,280 the two books. Or she just assumes that he went 1207 00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:55,040 back and broke up immediately with Ellen after the hug. 1208 00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,120 Something happens that she ended the. 1209 00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,480 Marriage. There's something, yeah. 1210 00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:01,200 But pretty rich. Further, isn't that when she's 1211 01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:04,480 on her honeymoon? Well, yeah, I mean, but it's 1212 01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:08,000 also the same thing where she's so hurt that he starts dating 1213 01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,200 someone, but she's not accounting for the fact that she 1214 01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:14,440 rejects him and that he's feeling rejected. 1215 01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,840 And like she told him no. And so it's just it's more of 1216 01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:21,400 her thinking that he should be able to read her mind and know 1217 01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,920 that she wasn't really rejecting him, but he can't. 1218 01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,920 Yeah, and it's not fair to him. Anyway, so strike solution to 1219 01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,280 falling in love is to risk everything. 1220 01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:33,400 Robin's trying to fall out of love, but she's failed so hard 1221 01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:34,920 and I find that so cute that she. 1222 01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:37,320 Cannot. I love that it says that she's 1223 01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,840 chosen to fall out of love as quickly and as cleanly as 1224 01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,640 possible because it is dripping with irony. 1225 01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,800 Yeah. She's chosen to try and do it as 1226 01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:49,360 slowly and as messily as physically fucking possible it 1227 01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:50,680 was. So messy. 1228 01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:53,520 And also, I mean, just for the record, obviously we all know 1229 01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:57,240 this, but nowhere does Robin say that she still isn't in love 1230 01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,200 with him, and we all know that she is. 1231 01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,680 Over a year after that first date, Robin really did think. 1232 01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:06,120 No, she knew that she loved Murphy. 1233 01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,440 The events of the last few days have certainly left her shell 1234 01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:11,720 shocked and destabilized. But that would pass. 1235 01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,720 Murphy was kind, intelligent, and very good looking. 1236 01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:16,960 Yes, there had been a conversation two months 1237 01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,200 previously in which Strike had hinted. 1238 01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:22,200 OK, this is the first instance of Robin thinking. 1239 01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:26,840 No, knowing that she loves Murphy, I just cannot wait for 1240 01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:28,600 the payoff that this is going to give. 1241 01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:33,120 Because, you know, imagine when she realizes I do not love this 1242 01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:34,520 man. I'm completely in love with 1243 01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,680 Strike still. It's going to be so good. 1244 01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:40,120 Something that I'm banking on, though, is on a moment of 1245 01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:43,440 supreme, like knowing, like in Running Grave, when Robin knew 1246 01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:44,800 Strike was waiting there for her. 1247 01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,080 But with that would be really good. 1248 01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:49,200 Yeah. Whether it's that I'm not in 1249 01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,640 love with Murphy or that I'm for sure in love with Strike, and 1250 01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:53,480 that's not going to change either one of them. 1251 01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:55,680 I want it to happen. It would be a great moment to 1252 01:01:55,680 --> 01:02:00,240 come back too, but the second sentence here seems significant. 1253 01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,240 The events of the last few days had certainly left her shell 1254 01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:05,520 shocked and destabilized, but that would pass. 1255 01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,360 In the context of this paragraph, it seems to me like 1256 01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:13,360 her feelings of love for Murphy were shaken by what happened. 1257 01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:15,600 I don't know if anyone is reading that differently, but 1258 01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,520 maybe she wasn't so sure when faced with the idea of having a 1259 01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:22,360 baby with him and then, you know, not really trusting his 1260 01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:24,240 story. Man, I really wish you would 1261 01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:26,720 listen to the parts of her on the inside that are nagging her 1262 01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:28,920 about his story and about what happened that night. 1263 01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:30,400 They're trying to tell you something, girl. 1264 01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:34,240 She busted this internal list of Murphy's good qualities. 1265 01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:36,600 I think she does that a few times in this book, and it's 1266 01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:40,240 always just so lacking in any kind of real feeling or passion. 1267 01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:44,120 Kind, intelligent, good looking. She's checklisting him against 1268 01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:46,720 what her idea of a good boyfriend should be, but not 1269 01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,320 feeling her feelings about them. And also I kind of think she's 1270 01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:52,480 overestimating about the kind and intelligent parts of him. 1271 01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:54,920 Even if not that you're biased or anything. 1272 01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,160 Not that I'm biased. Strike still beats him up by 1273 01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,280 miles in both qualities. I agree. 1274 01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:01,640 Yeah, Yeah. So we have a song reference 1275 01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:04,080 here. Stitches by Shawn Mendes is 1276 01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,960 playing upstairs by the stupid neighbor. 1277 01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,760 We could be really literal with this one because Robin is 1278 01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:11,840 healing from surgery. She probably has a stitch or 1279 01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,240 two. But also the song is about a 1280 01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:16,080 relationship that's causing pain. 1281 01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,560 But who is it? Is it Murphy or is it Strike 1282 01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:19,480 Lot? Twist. 1283 01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:21,320 It's both. You guys are going to be 1284 01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:22,520 shocked, but I don't know this song. 1285 01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:26,080 Jesus wet. Oh my God, both of you. 1286 01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:27,400 No. I don't. 1287 01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,040 I make a real effort to listen to women artists mostly. 1288 01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:32,560 Oh no, don't listen to Shawn Mendes. 1289 01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:34,720 Except for the Barenaked Ladies, of course. 1290 01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,600 They're your one exception. They're grandfathered in. 1291 01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:39,960 They're no seriously. Don't listen to any guys. 1292 01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:44,080 No, my playlist is mostly women, but if I'm looking for new 1293 01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:46,160 music, I make a point of looking for women. 1294 01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,520 Yeah, How come? Just because I think it's 1295 01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:51,240 important to try to consciously consume content by women as much 1296 01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:54,920 as possible. OK, so we get strike calling 1297 01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,440 being funny. Speaking of Strike's sense of 1298 01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:00,160 humor, though, I've been wondering whether if it's some 1299 01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,040 point when Rokeby and Strike are hanging out in the next couple 1300 01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:06,120 of books, if Strike will say something funny and Rokeby will 1301 01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,840 say something about how Strike's sense of humor reminds him of 1302 01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:10,960 his mother's or something. That'd be really sweet, 1303 01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,880 especially if he did actually get his sense of humor from 1304 01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:15,200 Lena. I'd love that. 1305 01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:16,680 I think Strike would like that too. 1306 01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:20,040 This part leaves me with a really big question because I 1307 01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:21,640 don't know what Strike was going to say. 1308 01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:26,160 He's telling Robin all about Ted's funeral and he says I wish 1309 01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:28,200 and then he has to go. It gets interrupted. 1310 01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:31,160 What did he wish? Is it too much to hope that he 1311 01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:34,160 was going to say he wished she had met him, or something really 1312 01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,440 sweet like that? I don't think it's too much at 1313 01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:37,880 all. I'd be willing to bet that he 1314 01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,320 was going to say that. I was kind of hoping for, like, 1315 01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:43,480 I wish she'd been there because you always make every miserable 1316 01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:45,240 thing more bearable with your presence. 1317 01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:47,000 Because, by the way, I'm in love with you. 1318 01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:50,200 It probably wasn't that. He might have said the first 1319 01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:52,760 part. Maybe he wishes that they could 1320 01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:55,320 have scattered Ted's ashes, but there was a storm so they 1321 01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,200 couldn't. Which means we'll get to see it 1322 01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,640 in book 9. Also probably not likely. 1323 01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:03,000 After the phone call, Robin just sits there for a minute, and I 1324 01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,400 feel like she's kind of happy for the first time in a couple 1325 01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:05,880 days. You know? 1326 01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:08,000 He's made her laugh. He's talked to her about the 1327 01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,400 case, about his family. I don't know. 1328 01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:14,080 The chapter ends with her Googling egg freezing, but to 1329 01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:16,640 jump ahead a bit, when she talks about it to Murphy, it feels 1330 01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:20,040 like she's doing it more to look at reasons not to and what it 1331 01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:23,760 involves, rather than she's really interested in doing it. 1332 01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:27,160 Trying to give her arm herself with information to say I don't 1333 01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:29,800 want to do this. Yeah, I do think Strike made her 1334 01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,920 happy here, Yeah. After they're done talking, her 1335 01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:37,560 disquiet intensifies and she's reluctantly looking up the egg, 1336 01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:40,400 freezing. She definitely doesn't want to 1337 01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:42,480 do it. All right, Chapter 8. 1338 01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:45,600 In this chapter, Strike calls Ruppers on Angelica. 1339 01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:49,040 The epigraph. It is the saddest of all sites 1340 01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:52,680 upon this earth, that of a man lazy and luxurious. 1341 01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:56,520 He is the faithless steward that embezzles what God has given him 1342 01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:59,480 in trust. And that's the morals and dogma 1343 01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:02,880 of the Ancient and Accepted Rite of Scottish Freemasonry by 1344 01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:04,880 Albert Pike. I'll never get over what a 1345 01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:06,080 mouthful that is. Good. 1346 01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:10,880 I know I was trying to decide what man this could be referring 1347 01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:14,240 to in this chapter because there's Mr. A Culpepper and 1348 01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,040 Rupert, but I actually don't think it's about a man at all. 1349 01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:18,880 I think it's actually about Rupert's aunt. 1350 01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:22,640 She was the one entrusted with Rupert as a child, but she was 1351 01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,720 the faithless steward who didn't care for him and certainly 1352 01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:28,280 doesn't care for him now. Yeah, that was my thought as 1353 01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:30,280 well. I definitely agree, but it's 1354 01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:32,080 about her. When you look at the rest of the 1355 01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:35,640 sentence in context, it says that of a man, lazy and 1356 01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:40,400 luxurious or hard and penurious, to whom want appeals in vain and 1357 01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:43,200 suffering cries in an unknown tongue. 1358 01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:46,360 So Rupert's horrible aunt doesn't care a bit about any of 1359 01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:48,120 the struggles he's going through, and she certainly 1360 01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:49,600 wouldn't lift a finger to help him. 1361 01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:52,440 I mean, even the thought of being asked to do so enrages 1362 01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:54,600 her. She's absolutely this person. 1363 01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:56,640 Yeah. The chapter opens with a brief 1364 01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:59,000 overview of the side case with Mr. A. 1365 01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:03,120 Remind me if Mr. A was right that it's his wife who's leaking 1366 01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:06,720 the stories to Culpepper? I I think it was actually his 1367 01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:12,360 ex-wife who was leaking stories to Culpepper's wife because Lady 1368 01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:17,880 Violet and Misses A were the ones having an affair, as we saw 1369 01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:20,680 in the gala washroom. I just love that Culpepper's 1370 01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:24,000 wife was cheating on him and he gets fired in this book. 1371 01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:26,800 It couldn't happen to a more deserving man, you know? 1372 01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:30,160 Love it. It seems weird to spend this 1373 01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:34,240 little time on a chapter, but the whole chapter is Strike 1374 01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:37,640 calling Ruperts Aunt Angelica and her acting completely 1375 01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:41,600 outraged that Decima would have someone call her and ask her a 1376 01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:43,920 question. Out there, she. 1377 01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:46,560 Someone calling her on the phone? 1378 01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:49,960 Intolerable. Anything stand out here though 1379 01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,560 in this chapter? Angelica's reaction when she 1380 01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:56,040 realizes who slash what strike is reminds me so much of the 1381 01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:59,040 first time that Ron ever tried calling Harry on the phone at 1382 01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:02,040 home in Harry Potter. Remember how Uncle Vernon just 1383 01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:04,800 completely blew up? It's totally the same vibe. 1384 01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:07,680 She's a real Muggle. Yeah, she's a real Muggle. 1385 01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:11,320 She is really Dursley in terms of her loathing of Rupert. 1386 01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:14,560 Her nephew. Yes, it is really clear she 1387 01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:17,120 hates her nephew throughout this entire conversation. 1388 01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:20,160 Was this because she had a suspicion that Rupert wasn't 1389 01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:23,359 actually her brother's child? Like so she was suspicious of 1390 01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:25,600 Missus Fleetwood's relationship with Dino? 1391 01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:27,760 Or is it just she's a nasty, hateful person? 1392 01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:31,359 I like the idea that she's suspicious, it gives her a good 1393 01:08:31,359 --> 01:08:35,359 background, but I don't know. It just reminds me of of Strikes 1394 01:08:35,359 --> 01:08:38,399 chat with Sasha later a bit when he talks about Sasha being too 1395 01:08:38,399 --> 01:08:41,520 selfish to care about Rupert or Charlotte because Rupert doesn't 1396 01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:43,880 sound like he was like he's a bad dude. 1397 01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:46,680 So the lack of caring and just total self centeredness and the 1398 01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:49,920 fact that Angelica just does not care one shot about Rupert is 1399 01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:52,319 pretty appalling. So I guess plot wise, in this 1400 01:08:52,319 --> 01:08:55,760 chapter she claims that Rupert's in America. 1401 01:08:56,279 --> 01:08:58,279 He's in New York. Just totally wrong. 1402 01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:01,560 Well, except for the fact that he could have actually called 1403 01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:03,640 her and said that he was going to New York. 1404 01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:05,680 Yeah. And I think that that probably 1405 01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:08,520 actually happened. He was just lying in Sardinia. 1406 01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:12,359 Yeah, I do believe she's so adamant about it because it's it 1407 01:09:12,359 --> 01:09:16,160 happened. But yeah, OK, Chapter 9. 1408 01:09:16,279 --> 01:09:19,560 In this chapter, Robin and Anne Murphy talk about the case and 1409 01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:22,520 egg freezing. In the epigraph reads, If you 1410 01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:25,600 would have me better for your love, revert no more to these 1411 01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:30,600 sad themes from Part 3 of Paracelsus by Robert Browning. 1412 01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:34,080 I'm assuming this is Robin speaking because she's the one 1413 01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:36,240 who doesn't want to talk about these things. 1414 01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:40,399 This is a 5 part poem about a philosopher on a quest for 1415 01:09:40,399 --> 01:09:43,680 knowledge, and in Part 3, which is where the epigraph is taken 1416 01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:47,319 from, he learns that knowledge alone isn't enough to be 1417 01:09:47,319 --> 01:09:50,640 fulfilled in your life. You need the balance of 1418 01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:54,400 knowledge and love. Robin is on a kind of opposite 1419 01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:57,160 personal quest. She's not on the quest for 1420 01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:59,880 knowledge here in truth, because she's trying to suppress what 1421 01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:02,760 she knows to be true. Yeah, the truth of her feelings 1422 01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:06,760 she she is on on a quest for knowledge and to uncover the 1423 01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:10,200 truth in this chapter. But it's not at all the internal 1424 01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:12,800 truth, but the truth about the silver of all murder, which 1425 01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:16,320 serves as the current manifestation of her overriding 1426 01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:19,280 passion for solving mysteries, finding out the facts, finding 1427 01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:21,440 the truth of other people through her work. 1428 01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:24,720 Ryan is offering her anything she wants at the end of this 1429 01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:27,080 chapter, and the thing she wants most of all is just the 1430 01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:30,920 knowledge he can get her, Not any time with him, not any 1431 01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:34,240 symbol of his love. Now give me the facts in this 1432 01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:36,400 juicy mystery. But this epigraph comes from 1433 01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:40,360 Part 3 of the poem, where Paracelsus is disillusioned and 1434 01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:42,600 depressed. His ambition and achievements 1435 01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:45,960 have made him, he's being seen as arrogant and he's alienated 1436 01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:48,000 from his colleagues at this point. 1437 01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:50,560 He hasn't yet had that realization that it's necessary 1438 01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:53,120 to balance the search for truth and knowledge with love. 1439 01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:55,680 And Robin hasn't had her own realization yet either. 1440 01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,680 That she's never going to find the love she needs with Murphy. 1441 01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:01,320 That her path to emotional fulfilment lies with Strike 1442 01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:03,040 because he's the one she actually loves. 1443 01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:05,680 You know, loving him and accepting that is the only way 1444 01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:08,840 she'll actually be able to create the satisfying whole of 1445 01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:11,320 her life with her passion for truth and her human need for 1446 01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:13,160 love. So when the chapter opens, 1447 01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:16,560 Murphy buzzes to be let in. Does that mean he doesn't have a 1448 01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:19,240 key? 100% he definitely doesn't have 1449 01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:21,600 a key and I highly doubt that Robin gives him one in the 1450 01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:24,120 course of this book. No, which means he's pushing her 1451 01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:27,320 to buy a house with him and she's agreeing to when they 1452 01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:29,600 haven't even reached the step of having a key to each others 1453 01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:32,320 place. Which is insanity to me. 1454 01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:33,640 Right. It absolutely. 1455 01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:36,480 Which makes him wanting to propose even more crazy. 1456 01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:40,160 You know, Robin, it is OK to say no to moving in with him, but 1457 01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:42,840 the problem is that saying no to a step forward like that in 1458 01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:45,720 their relationship means showing her cards that she doesn't want 1459 01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:48,000 those things. Yeah, I don't even think that 1460 01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:50,080 she's willing to show herself those cards. 1461 01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:54,080 I'm looking forward to when she has that moment of realization 1462 01:11:54,480 --> 01:11:56,720 of how unfair it actually is to him. 1463 01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:59,760 Because like I said before, Robin, she doesn't mean to be 1464 01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:02,400 hurtful. That's not who she is, but it is 1465 01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:04,760 quite hurtful. Oh, she's going to feel so. 1466 01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:06,840 Guilty. Imagine if Strike had done that 1467 01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:08,520 with Lorelei Oh. My God. 1468 01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:12,160 People still think he needs to be punished for those kinds of 1469 01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:15,080 things, and it's like, at least he's not doing this. 1470 01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:19,240 This is much worse. Murphy asks Robin if she wants 1471 01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:21,320 him to go tell the guy upstairs to turn it down. 1472 01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:22,560 I'm not going to get over this guy. 1473 01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:25,760 I'm so annoyed that she says no. And I know she's like, oh, he's 1474 01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:28,000 just going to turn it up again. Murphy should have been like, 1475 01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:30,680 I'm going to go anyway. Can't he use his influence as a 1476 01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:33,760 MET detective to scare the guy? He has to be breaking some sort 1477 01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:37,480 of law or code or, you know, yeah. 1478 01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:40,240 You know, one would think maybe he's just not scary enough to 1479 01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:42,920 pull it off. An actual detective? 1480 01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:45,040 Don't they have a badge she can show? 1481 01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:48,840 Maybe he looks like the guy on the salad dressing bottles so I 1482 01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:50,760 don't know if I'd be too scared of him either. 1483 01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:56,840 I'm scared of bottled ranches. So wait, he's salad dressing 1484 01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:57,720 bottles? What do you want? 1485 01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:00,960 Yeah, Newman's Own, like Paul Newman that Murphy's compared 1486 01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:02,320 to. I always think of the crappy 1487 01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:05,720 pasta sauce rather than the salad dressing, but same same 1488 01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:07,720 thing. You know who would get results 1489 01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:09,640 if you went? Upstairs, we all know who that's 1490 01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:12,240 going to be. Strikes powerful half step 1491 01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:16,040 forward would have this guy tiptoeing around his flat in his 1492 01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:19,400 socks, terrified to even flush the toilet in case the noise 1493 01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:21,880 upsets Robin. Strike would get this done. 1494 01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:23,840 He would. It would be like that bit with 1495 01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:26,680 the Ironmonger troubled blood that was so good. 1496 01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:30,400 I've been waiting for this with the guy upstairs because of that 1497 01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:32,720 specific part. I've been like, OK, when is 1498 01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:34,160 Strike going to go threaten this dude? 1499 01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:36,720 I've been tiling up all the things that Ryan does after the 1500 01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:40,360 ectopic pregnancy that are really great and so kind that 1501 01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:42,280 Robin talks about later with Strike. 1502 01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:45,280 And so far what we've got is the generic hospital gifts the day 1503 01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:48,320 after her surgery, which is like it's whelming, It's not 1504 01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:50,440 overwhelming, it's not super underwhelming. 1505 01:13:50,440 --> 01:13:54,960 It's just stuff. Now we have him bringing takeout 1506 01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:59,080 chips again. It's just OK yeah, good to bring 1507 01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:00,640 dinner. But like, is this 1508 01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:04,480 extraordinarily kind, like Robin seems to think, like, what was 1509 01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:06,680 he going to do, ask her to cook? Yeah. 1510 01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:09,440 And when he's like, oh, we only eat knives and fork, I'm like, 1511 01:14:09,480 --> 01:14:11,360 yeah, that's how takeout works, man. 1512 01:14:11,480 --> 01:14:13,720 I've brought drinks. Oh, so you know how to order a 1513 01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:15,800 combo. Congratulations. 1514 01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:20,240 If this is what Robin sees as being like, really good and kind 1515 01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:22,280 and supportive, I'm not that impressed. 1516 01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:23,920 Yeah. OK, Shania. 1517 01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:27,720 Yeah, well, Shania, it was very formative for me and I think a 1518 01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:30,800 lot of her messages really. Resonated, rooted deep. 1519 01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:33,640 I'm just thinking he couldn't have tried to cook for her if 1520 01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:35,880 you were going to say he really went out of his way to be like 1521 01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:38,560 kind and supportive. Only if he did the dishes 1522 01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:40,400 afterwards. Well, yeah, that too. 1523 01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:42,640 I'm going to say this about the hospital gift. 1524 01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:45,800 I do think it was thoughtful, even though everyone thinks it's 1525 01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:47,600 generic. I don't think there's anything 1526 01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:49,600 wrong with it. I think we're just thinking 1527 01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:53,000 about how Robin felt when Strike got her flowers. 1528 01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:54,720 But that's a different situation. 1529 01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:59,200 You know, I don't think that every single gift ever given has 1530 01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:02,520 to be deeply personal. Or sometimes flowers are nice. 1531 01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:06,960 And the problem that I have with it, and I guess the fish and 1532 01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:11,000 chips and all of this stuff, is that Robin gives these things 1533 01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:12,640 way more credit than they deserve. 1534 01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:16,600 You know, she counts them so high when comparing things like 1535 01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:20,280 he was drunk and likely knew something was wrong with the 1536 01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:23,280 condom or I don't know, I just don't love him and I love 1537 01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:25,520 somebody else. You know the problem is not the 1538 01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:28,360 gift or the nice thing he's doing, it's the weight that 1539 01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:31,400 Robin gives it. Robin give it so much weight 1540 01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:34,560 because she's so used to Matthew doing absolutely fucking 1541 01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:36,600 nothing. I think that she's looking for 1542 01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:42,640 reasons to justify staying and telling herself that she loves 1543 01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:45,720 him, so she's looking looking for the reasons. 1544 01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:49,120 Yeah, that's what she's doing. I can't help but notice how the 1545 01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:52,360 conversation between Robin and Murphy here, it's just it's less 1546 01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:54,840 intimate, it's less personal than the conversation that 1547 01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:56,720 Strike and Robin had in Chapter 7. 1548 01:15:57,240 --> 01:16:00,960 Murphy gives one word answers when she asks about work. 1549 01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:04,120 He doesn't want to open up. Robin's lying that she feels 1550 01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:05,960 better. It just doesn't have any of the 1551 01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:09,160 charm that Strike and Robin do. None of the charm, none of the 1552 01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:11,400 chemistry. And remember how later in the 1553 01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:14,000 book, Robin beats herself up for not caring more about his 1554 01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,720 troubles at work, Like thinking the lack of support drove him to 1555 01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:18,840 drink? She asked. 1556 01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:22,760 He didn't want to answer. That's not her fault. 1557 01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:25,640 Yeah, I mean, doesn't want to seem like a failure compared to 1558 01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:27,760 her. She's out here solving 1559 01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:30,560 everything, being amazing, and he's not. 1560 01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:34,440 Sorry Murphy, the ship sailed. Robin asked Murphy about the 1561 01:16:34,440 --> 01:16:37,000 body in the silver vault. He says that as far as he knows, 1562 01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:39,840 they're happy with the idea of Knowles, but the lack of 1563 01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:44,560 curiosity annoys me. He's just not great at his job. 1564 01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:48,520 This isn't a vocation for him. Just like Matthew, he's in this 1565 01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:52,280 for the paycheck, in the status. Robin just thinks that she's 1566 01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:55,360 more compatible with Murphy than Matthew because he's in the same 1567 01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:57,160 job. But the truth is that their 1568 01:16:57,160 --> 01:17:00,840 fundamental values and priorities still don't align. 1569 01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:03,320 He just doesn't understand how important it is to her. 1570 01:17:03,440 --> 01:17:05,760 The biggest thing here is when he makes his stupid little 1571 01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:09,320 comment about Strike wanting to show up the Med again, he says 1572 01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:12,160 people have lost their careers after Strikes come meddling, you 1573 01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:13,880 know? I'm pretty sure that Murphy's 1574 01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:17,280 going to eventually lose his girlfriend because of strike 1575 01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:19,880 coming and meddling. Pretty grateful about that. 1576 01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:21,840 Yeah. Like people about their careers. 1577 01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:25,800 Yeah, you're about to lose something else, you get get 1578 01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:27,960 zumped. But I'm glad that Robin didn't 1579 01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:29,560 let this go. I wish she would have gone 1580 01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:31,560 harder though. Which is a huge pattern in this 1581 01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:32,760 book. She lets this guy get away with 1582 01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:35,480 so much bullshit. Or if she does get mad, she 1583 01:17:35,480 --> 01:17:37,880 still lets him off easier than he deserves. 1584 01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:41,240 Get madder, Robin, I know you don't have the energy for it. 1585 01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:44,480 You know who she gets really mad at when he doesn't actually 1586 01:17:44,480 --> 01:17:45,560 deserve it? Yeah. 1587 01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:48,120 Because that's who she really cares about. 1588 01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:52,520 Yeah, Murphy, his implication is that if the police don't get 1589 01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:57,400 something right, it should just be left like that, I'm guessing. 1590 01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:00,680 Because he he gets things wrong and he doesn't want someone 1591 01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:03,120 spoken into them, I guess. But that's. 1592 01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:05,320 Not someone who cares about justice, that's someone who 1593 01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:08,040 cares about winning. Any cop who's lost their careers 1594 01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:10,640 because of strike actually lost their careers because they 1595 01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:13,240 fucked up and refers to admit they were wrong. 1596 01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:15,600 Guess what that means? They deserve to lose their 1597 01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:18,680 careers, Ryan. Yeah, it reminds me of how 1598 01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:22,120 Wardle came to Strike in Cuckoo's Calling and said that 1599 01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:24,360 he couldn't stop thinking about what Strike had said. 1600 01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:27,400 And he listens. And that's a real point of 1601 01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:31,960 maturity for young Wardle there, because he wasn't too prideful 1602 01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:34,160 to take the tip and he wanted justice. 1603 01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:38,800 And that's why Wardle is now a part of the team, you know? 1604 01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:43,320 But yeah, Ryan Murphy does not have that pilot Light of 1605 01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:45,720 Justice. He doesn't have it. 1606 01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:49,680 Robin's point that he should also be blaming her. 1607 01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,960 It doesn't go far enough for me. She's understanding that he's 1608 01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:56,480 placing all the blame on Strike, but I keep thinking about how 1609 01:18:56,480 --> 01:19:00,000 he's also giving Strike all the credit and not her. 1610 01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:03,360 Well, it's consistent with him congratulating Strike in the 1611 01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:05,520 running grave for bringing down the UHC. 1612 01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:08,120 Strike correcting him. That was mostly Robin. 1613 01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:11,320 We spotted that red flag. It just automatically makes me 1614 01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:14,200 think of that bit in Lethal White when Matthew asks whether 1615 01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:16,120 she counts strikes achievements as her own. 1616 01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:20,640 So annoyed. The only person who I can think 1617 01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:23,800 of who's lost their career, like Robin said, is Roy Carver. 1618 01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:26,440 And if Murphy's feeling bad for that guy, I don't know what that 1619 01:19:26,440 --> 01:19:28,320 says about him. Nothing good. 1620 01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:31,320 Right. Strike and Robin don't want the 1621 01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:33,520 glory. We've seen how happy they are to 1622 01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:36,880 step back and let the cops who help them get the credit. 1623 01:19:37,440 --> 01:19:40,240 So the only careers at risk belong to the police, who are 1624 01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:43,600 too dumb to realize that Strike and Ellicott are like a gift to 1625 01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:46,280 any investigation and should be supported in their efforts at 1626 01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:48,160 all times. I was just wondering if the 1627 01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:52,360 whole blue wall of silence thing is a thing in the UK too if 1628 01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:54,800 he's, you know, upset about Carver. 1629 01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:56,920 You know, I'm not going to lie, I hadn't heard of this phrase 1630 01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:59,760 until just now. Yeah, it's just like the whole 1631 01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:03,120 thing where police protect each other even when it means going 1632 01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:05,560 against what's right, I think is the gist. 1633 01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:08,520 Yeah, snitches don't listen to Stitches by Shawn Mendes 1634 01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:12,000 upstairs. Anyway, I just feel like 1635 01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:13,800 something like this could come back. 1636 01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:17,160 I really, really hope that this book was laying the groundwork 1637 01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:20,680 for a huge conflict with the Met or like a corrupt police plot in 1638 01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:23,840 book 9, because I think we need some more payoff to this. 1639 01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:26,640 Murphy's a terrible detective and terrible detective. 1640 01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:28,520 Present the Strollicott Agency thing I. 1641 01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:31,720 Don't like how you're using Strollicott so casually the last 1642 01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:34,400 couple episodes? It's I'm just, I'm leaning in. 1643 01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:36,240 It's their agency. I don't have time to say the 1644 01:20:36,240 --> 01:20:39,000 whole thing. You know, we have a lot to get 1645 01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,040 through. Strike and Ellicott takes a 1646 01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:42,360 long. Time to say. 1647 01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:45,840 It takes a long time cutting out syllables like Kevin. 1648 01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:47,800 Why use many words? One word. 1649 01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:50,120 Good. OK, Kevin. 1650 01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:54,360 I love Kevin. Going back to what you were 1651 01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:57,960 saying about the Metcorp police thing, people have been 1652 01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:00,760 speculating about this for years and I think it would be really 1653 01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:03,000 great to see something come of it, but we're running out of 1654 01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:07,200 time, so she better get on it. So notice how Murphy he switches 1655 01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:11,800 tactics after Robin's response by saying that coppers who feed 1656 01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:16,400 strike information aren't making any friends, so meddling, losing 1657 01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:19,120 their jobs didn't work. Now he's saying that it's the 1658 01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:21,520 officers themselves who aren't making friends. 1659 01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:25,160 Clear Murphy care more politics than work. 1660 01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:32,960 Oh my God, no integrity. Smarmy arsehole. 1661 01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:37,320 Anyway, yeah, to me, to me, it seems really clear that Murphy 1662 01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:40,960 cares way more about the politics at work than he does 1663 01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:43,120 about the actual work. Yeah, we got that with the 1664 01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:43,600 Kevin. Thing. 1665 01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:48,480 Yeah, exactly. He lacks integrity, I think, and 1666 01:21:48,480 --> 01:21:50,760 it fits pretty well with what Wardell says about him later, 1667 01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:52,720 that he'll smarm his way out of trouble. 1668 01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:53,340 Right. Mm. 1669 01:21:53,340 --> 01:21:55,600 Hmm. The direct mention of Wardle, I 1670 01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:58,080 feel like there's really going to be more drama between the two 1671 01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:00,640 of them. I just want to cheer Wardle on. 1672 01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:04,520 I really, really hoping we get to see Wardle punch Ryan because 1673 01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:07,520 he clearly wants to and he should get what he wants. 1674 01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:10,120 He should get what he wants. He deserves what he wants. 1675 01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:14,120 And a couple hits got your whole face looking like. 1676 01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:19,720 Blue, I've also been wondering if maybe Wardle will have a 1677 01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:22,680 chance to tell Robin directly about some of Murphy's shitty 1678 01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:25,960 behavior where Strike couldn't really before because of how it 1679 01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:28,760 would look. It would be kind of nice to see 1680 01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:32,600 Wardle and Robin form a working relationship because they don't 1681 01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:35,720 really have one, yeah. It's all through strike. 1682 01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:38,080 Yeah, and the last time we really saw them together was 1683 01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:39,680 career Beaver. Well, he's kind of looking her 1684 01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:42,120 up and down. And gosh. 1685 01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:44,320 Strike, it's all like, didn't you notice the ring? 1686 01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:46,160 As your wife. Yeah. 1687 01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:49,200 Oops. So topic now be kind of 1688 01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:51,720 interesting. It will be interesting and yeah, 1689 01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:53,920 she should get some of the gossip straight from the source. 1690 01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:58,080 It drives me nuts that Robin is resisting, pointing out that 1691 01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:01,200 Strike gave Murphy the win for arresting Abigail. 1692 01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:03,880 She doesn't mention that she should have you know. 1693 01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:06,840 And Robin knowing that Murphy is being Pettis Pettis. 1694 01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:10,880 I combine Petti and Jealous. Combine many words make good 1695 01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:11,880 point. Pettis. 1696 01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:14,200 It works. Pettis and jealous Murphy is 1697 01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:17,880 being Pettis, but Strike was getting good coverage, right? 1698 01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:21,600 He's getting bad coverage. He he really is revealing what 1699 01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:23,720 he thinks about Robin's work in this whole scene. 1700 01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:25,720 It's not good. She should be paying more 1701 01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:28,720 attention to this. I can't help but notice the 1702 01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:32,680 amount of times Murphy's non alcoholic beer is mentioned. 1703 01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:35,800 It's mentioned twice and then the third time it just says 1704 01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:38,720 beer. It seems really odd to me that 1705 01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:42,160 an alcoholic who's sober would choose to drink non alcoholic 1706 01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:45,200 beer cause wouldn't the taste just make him want the real 1707 01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:47,200 thing? It does seem odd for somebody 1708 01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:51,120 who's apparently sober and committed to being sober that 1709 01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:54,760 you would choose something like that over, say, water or soda or 1710 01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:56,360 juice or. Tea. 1711 01:23:57,080 --> 01:23:59,200 Anything else? Know how good Coke 0. 1712 01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:04,600 Is somebody let him know? Why anyone drinks non alcoholic 1713 01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:06,800 beer is beyond me, because why would you want the gross taste 1714 01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:09,200 of beer when you don't even get the alcohol? 1715 01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:12,560 The only thing I can think is that if it has a similar taste, 1716 01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:17,480 maybe the lingering smell on his breath would cover up from that 1717 01:24:17,480 --> 01:24:21,040 he did earlier. Oh yeah, that makes sense 1718 01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:24,200 anyway. But then he brings up Kim. 1719 01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:27,320 He could not be making this conversation worse for Robin if 1720 01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:30,680 he actually tried. I am curious about what he was 1721 01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:33,840 going to say about her having quite the Rep at work though, 1722 01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:36,320 because I don't think it was going to actually be that she 1723 01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:38,360 was good at her job like Robin assumes. 1724 01:24:38,440 --> 01:24:42,080 No, I thought the same thing. I assumed he was talking about a 1725 01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:44,360 different kind of big reputation. 1726 01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:47,320 Yeah, he was. He was talking about the other 1727 01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:48,160 kind. Yeah. 1728 01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:51,000 I feel like it's probably better he didn't say what it was, 1729 01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:52,560 though, because it would have been something about Kim 1730 01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:54,200 throwing herself at the men she works with. 1731 01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:57,280 Yeah, Robin spiraling even harder about striking. 1732 01:24:57,280 --> 01:25:01,160 Yeah, so after dinner, Murphy tries to get Robin to talk about 1733 01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:02,920 freezing her eggs. And I thought this would be a 1734 01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:05,360 great time to read an e-mail that we got recently. 1735 01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:08,840 So Rick, who listened to my request for some male 1736 01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:12,840 perspective, sent us in this e-mail, which first of all, it 1737 01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:16,880 had a great subject line that said thoughts and a penis, which 1738 01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:20,320 referenced our discussion. I thought that was so funny. 1739 01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:22,920 He says, Hi, guys. Love the podcast and the 1740 01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:25,720 enthusiasm you bring to it. At the top of your latest 1741 01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:27,880 episode, you mentioned you might want to hear from a male 1742 01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:30,520 perspective some observations on the book. 1743 01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:33,680 So here it goes. I caused a bit of a kerfuffle. 1744 01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:37,280 I really like that word over were on Reddit a few days ago 1745 01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:40,320 with a poorly worded post, but the gist of it was that I 1746 01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:44,320 thought RFM should dump Robin. I know she should definitely 1747 01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:47,200 dump him, but I sometimes look at it from his point of view. 1748 01:25:47,480 --> 01:25:50,400 Firstly, if you're going to get married, the very first 1749 01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:52,880 discussion is obviously do we want kids? 1750 01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:57,880 Murphy is 100% yes on this and I would think any prevarication on 1751 01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:00,360 Robin's part would be a deal breaker for him. 1752 01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:04,000 I don't know why he would persist after that, other than 1753 01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:07,200 the fact that he's an A hole. I mean fair. 1754 01:26:07,440 --> 01:26:11,000 I like that it says a hole. He also clearly sensed her 1755 01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:14,720 relief after getting gazumped. He actually does the right thing 1756 01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:17,760 by trying to talk these things over with her, but she insists 1757 01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:19,400 that it's fine and she loves him. 1758 01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:22,280 We know she doesn't. How funny would it be if Robin 1759 01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:25,320 goes to the Ritz and he says, look, I need to go to AA and get 1760 01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:27,560 myself together and I think we should take a break while I do 1761 01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:30,480 that. That would make sense, but too 1762 01:26:30,480 --> 01:26:33,240 easy I suppose. I also mentioned, awkwardly, 1763 01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:36,400 that if he's a Paul Newman look alike, he would do OK for 1764 01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:40,360 himself, and if he's intent on being a manipulator, he might be 1765 01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:43,240 better at finding someone more malleable than Robin. 1766 01:26:43,440 --> 01:26:46,720 One thing I wanted to point out before we get on that, wasn't he 1767 01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:50,200 saying that he was already went back to a A like when he. 1768 01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:53,120 Says. Yeah, so he says. 1769 01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:56,760 But if he says that I'm going to AA at the dinner when he's 1770 01:26:56,760 --> 01:27:00,400 already told Robin I'm going to AA, I'm serious about staying 1771 01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:05,160 sober. What exactly have you been doing 1772 01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:06,360 that would make things worse for him? 1773 01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:09,840 Well, maybe it could just be like part of my AA I've realized 1774 01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:11,280 or something It, you know, maybe I need. 1775 01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:14,600 To do some impatient stuff. I'm sorry that it caused the 1776 01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:17,160 kerfuffle. It doesn't take much to cause a 1777 01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:19,600 kerfuffle on the strike subreddit to be honest. 1778 01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:22,360 With you, sure, but I completely agree with you. 1779 01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:25,960 You know, maybe he does love her, but it could not be more 1780 01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:28,320 clear that she doesn't want what he wants. 1781 01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:31,280 And he can see it. I mean, he's, what, 36? 1782 01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:33,880 He's not getting any younger. 3637, Yeah. 1783 01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:37,520 It's kind of like with Lorelei. But Robin is gaslighting him 1784 01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:42,160 more because clearly Murphy can see that she's not into it, but 1785 01:27:42,160 --> 01:27:45,600 she is telling him that she is. So I agree with you. 1786 01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:49,680 Yeah, for me the fact that he hasn't broken up with Robin but 1787 01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:53,520 is actually trying even harder to lock her down, like the more 1788 01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:55,920 she pulls away, the harder he tries to pull her back, it's 1789 01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:57,760 honestly a red flag for him. Exactly. 1790 01:27:57,760 --> 01:28:00,040 In a way, it's like a dude's version of Robin's tendency to 1791 01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:01,440 cling when things aren't going well. 1792 01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:06,080 I just think it's when you love somebody and I think that he 1793 01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:08,600 loves her. I I'm not sure that he does. 1794 01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:11,480 I think that he loves the idea of her. 1795 01:28:11,480 --> 01:28:14,320 The idea of her. Does he really love the 1796 01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:19,760 workaholic obsessed? You don't have to love 1797 01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:22,560 everything somebody does or everything about them to love 1798 01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:23,640 them. I just. 1799 01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:25,160 Yeah. But he doesn't even really know 1800 01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:27,880 her though, is what I'm saying, That he doesn't know her well 1801 01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:29,920 enough to actually love who she really is. 1802 01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:32,680 Because she hasn't let him know her well enough, really. 1803 01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:34,400 Maybe he thinks that he loves her. 1804 01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:35,360 I'm. Sure he does. 1805 01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:38,040 I think that he loves her. I think that he wants a future 1806 01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:40,560 with her. So when you want those things, 1807 01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:43,600 you can be blind to the signs that say that you shouldn't do 1808 01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:45,880 them. And so I think that that's 1809 01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:48,400 what's happening. He's not actually totally blind 1810 01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:51,880 to it, but when he's being told by Robin, no, I do want them, 1811 01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:56,640 he's going to choose to believe it and he shouldn't because he's 1812 01:28:56,840 --> 01:28:58,440 going to get more hurt in the long run. 1813 01:28:58,640 --> 01:29:00,240 And also, he's old enough to know better. 1814 01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:03,600 Well, I mean, are we ever old enough to not be fooled by our 1815 01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:05,960 own hearts? I can't blame him. 1816 01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:08,760 I would say he should listen to her actions rather than her 1817 01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:12,520 words, but her actions are also like making offers on houses 1818 01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:14,400 with him. Yeah, that's on her a little. 1819 01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:18,040 Bit I would think though, like her overall attitude, I'm 1820 01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:21,960 thinking if you're not getting like, yeah, I'm really excited 1821 01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:23,680 about this. Like I'm excited about this. 1822 01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:25,280 If it's not a hell yeah, it's a no. 1823 01:29:25,440 --> 01:29:28,320 The vibes are off but she's he's believing. 1824 01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:30,840 I mean, I get what you're saying, it just seemed like 1825 01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:33,040 that. I don't understand. 1826 01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:37,280 Seems like if yeah she's saying that but her actions do not say 1827 01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:40,080 I'm excited. About it it's because he loves 1828 01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:43,200 he wants to be with her I. Was obsessed about having a 1829 01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:45,120 future with her. I think that he's trying to 1830 01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:48,920 control her and manipulate her into what he wants her to be. 1831 01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:51,800 I don't see him as that kind of a villain. 1832 01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:56,680 I just think that it's like with Lorelai, she, she could see that 1833 01:29:56,680 --> 01:29:59,480 he didn't want the same thing, but she loved him. 1834 01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:01,800 So I think that he should break up with her. 1835 01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:04,600 But that's coming from a place where we know the truth. 1836 01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:07,520 We know that Robin doesn't want that, and I think that he 1837 01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:10,440 suspects it, but doesn't fully want to believe it because he 1838 01:30:10,440 --> 01:30:13,000 does want this future with her. Yeah, I think that for the 1839 01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:15,720 purpose of the narrative Joe's writing for Robin's growth, she 1840 01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:17,240 has to be the one to break up with him. 1841 01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:22,360 She is writing Murphy to be the kind of guy who is going to 1842 01:30:22,360 --> 01:30:24,560 cling harder. He is this way for a reason. 1843 01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:26,960 It's because Robin is going to have to suck it up and break. 1844 01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:28,760 It up to. Her own growth, right? 1845 01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:31,840 Because that's the narrative. I do understand the point that 1846 01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:35,000 Rick is making, yeah, and it's an argument that we made for 1847 01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:38,760 Lorelai as well. Anyway, a lot of people say that 1848 01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:42,080 Murphy's pressuring her into talking about these things, but 1849 01:30:42,120 --> 01:30:44,760 I don't know if I agree that this is a bad thing. 1850 01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:48,480 These are absolutely things that they need to be talking about, 1851 01:30:48,480 --> 01:30:51,840 like whether or not they want kids and because they can't do 1852 01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:53,400 it naturally if she wants to freeze her. 1853 01:30:53,400 --> 01:30:57,120 Eggs, definitely conversations that have to happen. 1854 01:30:57,640 --> 01:31:00,520 They had to happen on the very first night she's home from the 1855 01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:02,720 hospital. I feel like you could give her a 1856 01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:06,240 couple days to rest and recover and like process what she's 1857 01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:08,680 learned before you start broaching the conversation the 1858 01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:11,920 very first chance you get. It just seems like a big thing 1859 01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:14,000 to bring up. It's very big, very heavy. 1860 01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:16,760 Even without her saying like, oh, yeah, I feel fine. 1861 01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:19,080 Like, come on, like, really? You're going to buy that? 1862 01:31:19,080 --> 01:31:21,760 She just went through something really horrifying and you're 1863 01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:24,400 going to buy that? That she oh, yeah, I'm fine. 1864 01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:27,440 I'm totally fine. I wouldn't even bring it up. 1865 01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:30,920 I don't think there's any reason that he couldn't have brought it 1866 01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:32,520 up. I she said she was feeling 1867 01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:33,920 better. I don't think it's 1868 01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:35,240 inappropriate. I think this. 1869 01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:38,480 Is way too soon. It's not just like a pregnancy 1870 01:31:38,480 --> 01:31:39,760 though. It's the pregnancy, it's the 1871 01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:41,480 rape stuff, it's the like, the whole. 1872 01:31:41,480 --> 01:31:45,280 Thing but he doesn't know. He doesn't know all of this 1873 01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:48,760 that's going through her head. She's saying that she's totally 1874 01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:51,960 fine, that she feels better. She lies about how she's 1875 01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:54,400 physically feeling. It wasn't until later that she 1876 01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:56,680 gets emotional. There's nothing that feels 1877 01:31:56,680 --> 01:31:58,880 totally weird about this to me bringing this up. 1878 01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:01,960 It's just very, very soon for something that was. 1879 01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:04,000 A big deal. I wouldn't want someone to bring 1880 01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:06,600 up a big conversation when I've just got home from the hospital 1881 01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:09,120 either, to be honest. But some people are more direct 1882 01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:10,880 and like to address things head forward. 1883 01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:14,840 Like, well, that's 100% me. I think that there's nothing 1884 01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:18,480 wrong with this, and I think the thing that's wrong is that she's 1885 01:32:18,480 --> 01:32:21,520 not actually telling him the truth about what she wants. 1886 01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:23,720 Yeah, she should be telling him the truth. 1887 01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:27,520 His argument about freezing the eggs is to be on the safe side 1888 01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:29,440 side. And I don't think that this is a 1889 01:32:29,440 --> 01:32:32,280 fully honest statement from him because, you know, he's saying 1890 01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:34,320 just to be safe. But we all know that he he 1891 01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:37,520 really wants to have children and he wants to have children 1892 01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:40,920 with Robin. And so this is what he wants to 1893 01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:42,680 do. And I don't like the way that 1894 01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:44,680 he's gone about this. You're going to be surprised. 1895 01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:47,520 I don't like the way that he's gone about this either. 1896 01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:51,160 Why not just be like, hey, Robin, so that whole thing 1897 01:32:51,160 --> 01:32:52,720 happened. Do you want to have kids or do 1898 01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:55,400 you not want to have kids? Not like let's talk about egg 1899 01:32:55,400 --> 01:32:57,240 freezing. Well, but that's how they have 1900 01:32:57,240 --> 01:32:59,440 to have kids. Yes, yes, I know. 1901 01:32:59,440 --> 01:33:01,880 But yeah, that can happen on further along in the 1902 01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:04,560 conversation after you've determined whether or not she 1903 01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:07,040 wants kids at all. Because like, the best thing 1904 01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:10,160 about egg freezing is like it's already act treating it like 1905 01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:12,760 it's a foregone conclusion that you of course you already want 1906 01:33:12,760 --> 01:33:15,120 to have kids. You know, like, maybe not right 1907 01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:17,680 this second, but yeah, of course you want to have kids. 1908 01:33:17,680 --> 01:33:20,640 Let's go freeze some eggs so that you can try doing that 1909 01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:23,000 whenever. It just seems like he's assuming 1910 01:33:23,440 --> 01:33:25,280 that of course she's going to want to have kids. 1911 01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:27,000 Yeah, let's go ahead and freeze the eggs. 1912 01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:31,120 Like, why not just ask? Well, he does ask what she wants 1913 01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:33,000 to do. Gently asking. 1914 01:33:33,080 --> 01:33:35,920 He's trying to ask if she wants to have kids. 1915 01:33:35,960 --> 01:33:38,560 But saying, don't you think it might be a good idea to be on 1916 01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:40,640 the safe side? Like, really? 1917 01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:44,120 Well, if they were going to have children together, that's how 1918 01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:48,000 they would have to do it. Well, naturally, but why not ask 1919 01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:50,960 what her top down feelings are about having kids? 1920 01:33:51,160 --> 01:33:53,800 That's how he's introducing the subject, because that's how they 1921 01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:55,840 would have to do it. I don't know that we're going to 1922 01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:57,240 be able to see eye to eye on that. 1923 01:33:57,360 --> 01:33:59,280 I'm not sure I'm understanding what you're saying. 1924 01:33:59,440 --> 01:34:01,880 I understand that they're going to need to freeze her eggs in 1925 01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:05,520 order to have babies, but that's a really big thing. 1926 01:34:05,560 --> 01:34:07,920 Like, Oh, yeah, let let's talk about, you know, like I know 1927 01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:11,600 that they're going to have to do that, but I would if I was going 1928 01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:15,080 to be in her position, I think that I would prefer to somebody 1929 01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:18,960 to ask me like, hey, how in general do you feel about having 1930 01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:20,240 kids? We're getting to a point where 1931 01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:22,720 we've been in this relationship for a long time. 1932 01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:26,360 You just had this horrifying thing happen to you where this 1933 01:34:26,360 --> 01:34:29,280 is going to be a big ordeal for you to have to go through. 1934 01:34:29,440 --> 01:34:31,320 How do you feel about having kids? 1935 01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:34,040 Is this something that you want to do? 1936 01:34:34,360 --> 01:34:37,440 Not don't you think we should look at it just to be safe? 1937 01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:41,560 That doesn't seem like asking about whether or not you want 1938 01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:44,080 kids. That seems like he He's already 1939 01:34:44,080 --> 01:34:47,200 assuming that she wants kids. Well, he. 1940 01:34:47,320 --> 01:34:50,960 Is he is assuming that he says that later that he assumes that 1941 01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:53,000 she wants? Kids and that's why I don't like 1942 01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:56,360 it because it's an assumption that she already is would be 1943 01:34:56,360 --> 01:34:58,920 going along with that. That's what I'm saying is that I 1944 01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:02,040 wish that he had broached the conversation with, OK, you went 1945 01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:03,440 through this. Well, but he's not. 1946 01:35:03,440 --> 01:35:06,040 I mean, we already know that he's assuming that, so I. 1947 01:35:06,200 --> 01:35:09,360 Mean, well, yes, I know I that's what I'm I know that he's making 1948 01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:11,120 assumptions. That's why I'm have, I have the 1949 01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:13,640 problem with it because he's making assumptions and he's not 1950 01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:16,120 just pulling back and saying like, Hey, how do you feel about 1951 01:35:16,120 --> 01:35:16,880 this? Right. 1952 01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:20,120 But I mean, taking out the egg thing, he could have just said 1953 01:35:20,240 --> 01:35:21,880 let's talk about having kids or whatever. 1954 01:35:21,880 --> 01:35:23,840 And. That that just seems like, yeah, 1955 01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:26,440 let's go ahead and do this. It feels pressuring. 1956 01:35:26,440 --> 01:35:29,600 Like because of the assumption that makes it feel like there's 1957 01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:32,560 more pressure to just go ahead and and do it because like, 1958 01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:33,840 well, aren't we going to do this? 1959 01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:35,000 Aren't we going to talk about this? 1960 01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:37,600 Like you, we talked the egg freezing is going to be the only 1961 01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:39,000 way forward. Don't you want to do that? 1962 01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:42,920 Don't you like kids? It's the assumption that I don't 1963 01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:44,360 like. I don't know if it would have 1964 01:35:44,360 --> 01:35:47,000 gone any differently if he had approached it that way, but I 1965 01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:49,160 don't like that he approached it with the assumption. 1966 01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:53,440 The assumption bothers me. I'm completely lost. 1967 01:35:53,440 --> 01:35:57,400 Is it because he's sort of not appreciating what the process? 1968 01:35:57,600 --> 01:35:59,720 Well, yeah, because it's a big deal. 1969 01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:03,520 It's the clue is which. She gets into later on in the 1970 01:36:03,520 --> 01:36:07,640 conversation, right, she says. You know, you don't appreciate 1971 01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:11,040 how much it would take to do this thing just to be safe. 1972 01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:13,640 Like it's not a small person process, it's an enormous 1973 01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:15,760 process. He might not understand that. 1974 01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:18,440 He doesn't, clearly. I don't think he really does, 1975 01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:19,760 but yeah. It's. 1976 01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:22,480 Educating himself before speaking on things he doesn't 1977 01:36:22,480 --> 01:36:23,560 understand. But. 1978 01:36:24,520 --> 01:36:26,880 I don't think we need to be that mad at him for this. 1979 01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:29,080 It's not. I mean, he's just, he wants 1980 01:36:29,080 --> 01:36:31,040 children and he wants them with Robin. 1981 01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:33,640 And so this is the situation they're in. 1982 01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:35,560 And so he he wants to talk about it. 1983 01:36:35,680 --> 01:36:38,720 Yeah, and to be fair, she knows full well he wants kids she has 1984 01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:41,600 just refrained right from. She's just pretending she 1985 01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:44,640 doesn't know. Under this assumption, because 1986 01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:48,200 Robin has withheld this from him and she knows full well that 1987 01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:50,960 she's done that. He's he's assumed she wants 1988 01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:53,240 kids. She's let him assume that. 1989 01:36:53,240 --> 01:36:56,880 I just don't think he's doing anything super wrong here. 1990 01:36:57,200 --> 01:37:00,200 If it was me I would want to finish my fish and chips first, 1991 01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:03,280 but I hate having important conversations over dinner. 1992 01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:06,960 I like to address things. Yeah, you're very, you're very 1993 01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:09,720 direct person. You're like straight at it. 1994 01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:11,600 There's no point putting it off. Right. 1995 01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:15,000 No, because it makes it worse. Some of us love putting things 1996 01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:20,200 off, especially conversations and tasks, but, well, the 1997 01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:23,600 conversation doesn't go well. So then he comes in and he says, 1998 01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:26,640 I feel like you're blaming me. And I'm not sure what that means 1999 01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:30,120 because how is she blaming him? By telling him all of the things 2000 01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:32,840 that she would have to go through in order to freeze her 2001 01:37:32,840 --> 01:37:34,840 eggs. Oh, it bugs me that she just 2002 01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:38,440 says I'm not blaming you because I wish she would have said how 2003 01:37:38,920 --> 01:37:42,320 am I blaming you? I think that Murphy's projecting 2004 01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:44,920 his own guilt onto her here because he knows. 2005 01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:47,240 Full well. He was drunk the night that 2006 01:37:47,240 --> 01:37:49,800 condom broke. And that he lied to her, I 2007 01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:53,400 believe a lie that nearly killed her by the way. 2008 01:37:53,640 --> 01:37:56,080 Although I don't think we could get him on attempted murder for 2009 01:37:56,080 --> 01:37:59,440 it, but I'd like to try. And now she's found out this 2010 01:37:59,480 --> 01:38:01,960 really traumatic information that's going to seriously limit 2011 01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:03,560 some really big choices in her future. 2012 01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:06,760 He feels like she's blaming him because he knows he's to blame, 2013 01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:10,000 but he's not going to admit it to her or even consciously to 2014 01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:12,160 himself. Yeah, that makes sense that he's 2015 01:38:12,480 --> 01:38:15,080 feeling guilty. I think it's a sign of his 2016 01:38:15,080 --> 01:38:17,640 guilt. We talked during the running 2017 01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:20,880 Grave that we didn't think that Murphy fully respected Robin's 2018 01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:24,840 career, and I see that here in this chapter where he blames 2019 01:38:24,840 --> 01:38:27,800 Slash, gives credit to Strike and not to Robin. 2020 01:38:28,240 --> 01:38:32,080 But here he does it again when he says that his job requires 2021 01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:34,680 him to work a lot. Her job shouldn't. 2022 01:38:35,240 --> 01:38:40,000 If I were going to give Murphy the benefit of the doubt, I know 2023 01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:45,760 I'd say maybe what he meant was that he has to work when they 2024 01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:48,080 tell him to because he has bosses. 2025 01:38:48,640 --> 01:38:51,320 But because Robin is the boss and runs the agency, she can 2026 01:38:51,320 --> 01:38:53,880 dictate her own hours. That makes sense. 2027 01:38:54,200 --> 01:38:57,960 That does make sense. However, I am not going to give 2028 01:38:57,960 --> 01:39:00,080 him the benefit of the doubt of. Course not. 2029 01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:03,080 I'm in a move on surprising to anyone because he's shown me 2030 01:39:03,080 --> 01:39:06,040 before that he does not respect the fact that Robin is a full 2031 01:39:06,040 --> 01:39:09,320 partner name on the door, equal decision maker to strike. 2032 01:39:09,560 --> 01:39:12,360 So he was in fact being a Dick head and saying that her job 2033 01:39:12,360 --> 01:39:16,360 wasn't as serious as this. I'm very much not proud of this 2034 01:39:16,360 --> 01:39:18,800 37 year old or whatever the fuck he is man are. 2035 01:39:19,080 --> 01:39:21,760 We just adding years to his age every time we. 2036 01:39:22,160 --> 01:39:23,760 Every time he pisses me off, yeah. 2037 01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:26,360 He's eight years younger than Strike, right? 2038 01:39:26,360 --> 01:39:29,160 So strikes 42 in this book. So he's 36. 2039 01:39:29,480 --> 01:39:31,480 OK, yeah, I'm two years older than Robin. 2040 01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:37,160 Yeah, anyway, I think he's just, he wants her to put babies in 2041 01:39:37,160 --> 01:39:40,720 their relationship before work because that's what he wants. 2042 01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:43,040 And look, I'm a stay at home mom. 2043 01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:45,920 I'm in no way shaming anyone for wanting babies over work. 2044 01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:48,600 In my opinion, being a parent is one of the most important things 2045 01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:51,080 you can do. But Robin hasn't signed up for 2046 01:39:51,080 --> 01:39:53,720 that, and she hasn't said that she wanted it. 2047 01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:55,880 I do need to give it to Robin in this argument. 2048 01:39:55,880 --> 01:39:58,560 She does lose fire throughout the book, but she's she's doing 2049 01:39:58,560 --> 01:40:00,960 a good job here. She's telling him that she loves 2050 01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:03,920 her job and that he's wanting her to put her. 2051 01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:07,000 Eggs first. I had a round of applause for 2052 01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:10,160 the My eggs and I are not the same thing moment. 2053 01:40:10,760 --> 01:40:13,360 Amen, sister. And then calling him out for 2054 01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:15,400 that week. Oh, I'd be with you when it 2055 01:40:15,400 --> 01:40:18,800 would be her body being put through all of this on her own. 2056 01:40:19,240 --> 01:40:21,880 You know, you tell him, Robin. I really hope she gets that fire 2057 01:40:21,880 --> 01:40:24,160 you mentioned back in Book 9 and demolishes this guy. 2058 01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:27,280 I've already got a bottle of champagne on standby. 2059 01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:30,800 Oh God yeah, we should definitely have champagne and 2060 01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:32,560 tissues. We're going to have to get the 2061 01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:36,760 Book 9 kits ready. Oh, we should make a book 9 kit. 2062 01:40:36,760 --> 01:40:42,160 Like a little bottle of bubbly packet of Kleenex. 2063 01:40:42,240 --> 01:40:46,720 Obviously a bag of Hot Cheetos. A paper bag to hyperventilate 2064 01:40:46,720 --> 01:40:49,160 into? What else do we need? 2065 01:40:49,160 --> 01:40:52,120 Can you give us ideas on Twitter for a book 9 support kit? 2066 01:40:52,200 --> 01:40:54,160 We need some sort of stress ball to. 2067 01:40:54,160 --> 01:40:56,880 Squeeze stress ball pillow to scream into. 2068 01:40:57,400 --> 01:41:00,440 Well, you know I need that. Yeah, we're all going to need 2069 01:41:00,520 --> 01:41:02,160 that. Yeah, but Murphy is saying that 2070 01:41:02,160 --> 01:41:04,240 he'd be there to support her if she wanted to do it. 2071 01:41:04,240 --> 01:41:07,120 I can't help but notice that he doesn't say that he'd also be 2072 01:41:07,120 --> 01:41:09,480 there if she didn't want to do it. 2073 01:41:10,280 --> 01:41:12,440 Was a very noticeable omission to me. 2074 01:41:12,440 --> 01:41:15,920 Not even like I'd support you. Whatever you decide he's coming 2075 01:41:15,920 --> 01:41:18,400 at this from. You know you should freeze your 2076 01:41:18,400 --> 01:41:19,840 eggs. I'll be there to nudge you 2077 01:41:19,880 --> 01:41:21,840 through that process kind of angle. 2078 01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:24,920 But you know what? He doesn't have to be there if 2079 01:41:24,920 --> 01:41:27,640 she doesn't want to do it. That's kind of the whole point, 2080 01:41:27,640 --> 01:41:28,960 yeah. He could just leave. 2081 01:41:29,080 --> 01:41:31,960 He wants children and it's OK to want children. 2082 01:41:31,960 --> 01:41:33,840 It's OK for Murphy to want children. 2083 01:41:34,040 --> 01:41:37,440 So if he doesn't want to be there, if she chooses not to do 2084 01:41:37,440 --> 01:41:40,160 it, that's something they really need to talk about. 2085 01:41:40,240 --> 01:41:43,400 But they're both kind of dancing around that here. 2086 01:41:43,400 --> 01:41:47,720 He's not fully saying I want children and she's not fully 2087 01:41:47,720 --> 01:41:51,280 saying I don't want children. We should hook him up with 2088 01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:53,920 Lorelei, I think they'd be really cute together. 2089 01:41:53,920 --> 01:41:56,760 I've been saying. Or Madeline, they can go to a A 2090 01:41:56,800 --> 01:41:57,800 together. I don't care. 2091 01:41:57,800 --> 01:42:00,560 God knows. No, I wouldn't do that to 2092 01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:04,080 Murphy. He deserves nicer than Madeline. 2093 01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:06,600 Come on. He deserves to have food 2094 01:42:06,800 --> 01:42:11,000 sometimes. He probably deserves to eat or 2095 01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:13,000 not be kicked with the high heel. 2096 01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:15,240 I don't know. Well, if they were both sober 2097 01:42:15,240 --> 01:42:18,200 together, they might actually do really well supporting each 2098 01:42:18,200 --> 01:42:19,360 other. And that I don't know not. 2099 01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:22,200 Such a good idea. I just, I had so much hope for 2100 01:42:22,200 --> 01:42:25,640 this chapter when I was first reading it because I I thought, 2101 01:42:25,640 --> 01:42:28,120 Oh my gosh, here it is. They're going to have to break 2102 01:42:28,120 --> 01:42:32,160 up now because Robin is telling him that he never asked if she 2103 01:42:32,160 --> 01:42:34,240 wants kids and now she's going to tell him no. 2104 01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:36,480 And this is going to be the beginning of the end. 2105 01:42:36,480 --> 01:42:39,960 I was so hopeful. Yeah, me too. 2106 01:42:39,960 --> 01:42:42,160 It feels like there were as many false starts for a breakup as 2107 01:42:42,160 --> 01:42:43,840 there were false starts for a confession. 2108 01:42:44,640 --> 01:42:47,560 God, yeah, just being edged this whole novel. 2109 01:42:47,560 --> 01:42:51,040 Oh my. God directions have literary 2110 01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:51,760 blue balls. Oh. 2111 01:42:52,080 --> 01:42:56,320 My God, I was just so naive on September 1st, you know, so 2112 01:42:56,320 --> 01:43:00,320 naive and so still in my 30s. Sweet summer child. 2113 01:43:00,440 --> 01:43:03,720 Yeah, these two characters are so determined to stay in this 2114 01:43:03,720 --> 01:43:05,680 relationship when they're not compatible. 2115 01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:09,080 I can understand Robin. She's in a bad place and afraid 2116 01:43:09,080 --> 01:43:10,560 of her feelings for someone else. 2117 01:43:10,560 --> 01:43:13,840 But Murphy, I guess if he's drinking again, he's actually 2118 01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:15,680 probably also not in a great place. 2119 01:43:16,240 --> 01:43:18,680 And I feel like he might be afraid of another failure like 2120 01:43:18,680 --> 01:43:21,080 his marriage. Like if he loses Robin, he's got 2121 01:43:21,080 --> 01:43:23,880 nothing, right? And given that his career is 2122 01:43:23,880 --> 01:43:26,960 tanking as well, that might actually be kind of true. 2123 01:43:27,160 --> 01:43:29,680 But you know what? You've got your classy map, 2124 01:43:30,160 --> 01:43:33,200 Ryan, and no one can ever take that away from you. 2125 01:43:33,280 --> 01:43:36,360 You're a guy with a map on your wall and it's classy. 2126 01:43:36,360 --> 01:43:39,480 It's funny because you say, I mean, that is funny, but you say 2127 01:43:39,480 --> 01:43:42,000 that you understand Robin saying, but not Murphy. 2128 01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:45,560 I'm the total opposite. I understand Murphy staying, but 2129 01:43:45,560 --> 01:43:48,320 not Robin. Like Murphy's the one who I 2130 01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:51,520 think wants something and she's the one who knows she doesn't. 2131 01:43:51,520 --> 01:43:53,680 So for me it just reads the opposite. 2132 01:43:54,200 --> 01:43:56,920 She's afraid of what she actually wants, so she's staying 2133 01:43:56,920 --> 01:44:00,600 with what she doesn't, I think. But that's harder for me to 2134 01:44:00,600 --> 01:44:04,160 understand then ignoring the signs that your partner doesn't 2135 01:44:04,160 --> 01:44:08,280 want the things that you want. Again, here's where he says that 2136 01:44:08,280 --> 01:44:12,360 he assumed that she just wants kids because she loves her 2137 01:44:12,360 --> 01:44:14,840 nieces and nephews and God kids. Does she have nieces and 2138 01:44:14,840 --> 01:44:16,400 nephews? She does by the end of this 2139 01:44:16,400 --> 01:44:17,680 book. OK, well, I. 2140 01:44:17,680 --> 01:44:19,480 Don't think the boys are born yet though. 2141 01:44:19,720 --> 01:44:21,240 Oh, that's true. That's true, yeah. 2142 01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:25,560 But you know what they say when you assume. 2143 01:44:26,200 --> 01:44:28,040 What is it? I've never heard this before. 2144 01:44:28,280 --> 01:44:30,680 You're joking. Yes, of course I'm joking. 2145 01:44:30,680 --> 01:44:33,640 Good, thank God, I was so worried for a second. 2146 01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:35,920 I'm like this really beyond the pale. 2147 01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:40,920 Oh my God. What kind of rock have you been 2148 01:44:40,920 --> 01:44:43,880 living under? I like the Pokémon theme song, 2149 01:44:43,880 --> 01:44:52,840 OK, but this you make an ass out of you and me, which is what's 2150 01:44:52,920 --> 01:44:55,520 happening here Yeah, I. Have heard that, yes. 2151 01:44:55,760 --> 01:44:58,040 I'm just going to start saying I don't know things that you're 2152 01:44:58,040 --> 01:45:00,480 saying, even if it's like. Oh, that's going to. 2153 01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:02,880 That's The thing is I I won't know if you're fucking. 2154 01:45:02,880 --> 01:45:04,480 I know, I know. That's always. 2155 01:45:04,480 --> 01:45:06,520 So fun. I won't know. 2156 01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:10,360 We'll have to do a game is. I love that for me. 2157 01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:13,680 Does Lindsay not know this thing or is she just fucking with us? 2158 01:45:13,680 --> 01:45:15,240 It's going to be a really hard game. 2159 01:45:15,360 --> 01:45:17,720 I love it. Anyway, it's a wild assumption 2160 01:45:17,720 --> 01:45:19,160 to make. Just because somebody likes 2161 01:45:19,160 --> 01:45:21,800 children doesn't necessarily mean that they want kids. 2162 01:45:21,840 --> 01:45:24,280 Yeah. Especially given that that was 2163 01:45:24,280 --> 01:45:27,800 supposedly a major factor in him and Lizzie breaking up that he 2164 01:45:27,800 --> 01:45:30,440 would ask her her thoughts about having kids in the future rather 2165 01:45:30,440 --> 01:45:33,480 than assuming. I can, I can kind of understand 2166 01:45:33,680 --> 01:45:38,040 the assuming thing, but because it was a big deal in his 2167 01:45:38,040 --> 01:45:41,360 breakup, I would think that that would come up more for him 2168 01:45:41,880 --> 01:45:44,440 because like, you know, otherwise normally I could kind 2169 01:45:44,440 --> 01:45:47,760 of, I could kind of get, Oh well, I, I figured that we both 2170 01:45:47,760 --> 01:45:50,600 wanted this since she's never said she hadn't in a year. 2171 01:45:50,800 --> 01:45:54,360 But wondering if maybe Lizzie just didn't want kids with an 2172 01:45:54,360 --> 01:45:56,720 active alcoholic who is aggressive. 2173 01:45:57,000 --> 01:45:59,840 Absolutely watch. We meet her later and she's like 2174 01:45:59,840 --> 01:46:01,240 pregnant or something like Charlotte. 2175 01:46:01,400 --> 01:46:03,840 Amazing. Oh, I'd love to see Murphy 2176 01:46:03,840 --> 01:46:05,320 spiral over that. Yeah. 2177 01:46:05,960 --> 01:46:10,760 Suffer. But anyway, I think that Robin's 2178 01:46:10,760 --> 01:46:14,920 response here is totally sugar coated because when she talks to 2179 01:46:14,920 --> 01:46:18,800 Strike about having kids, she says much more honestly that she 2180 01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:21,160 doesn't think she wants them because she doesn't want to feel 2181 01:46:21,160 --> 01:46:24,040 torn Here. She just says, I don't know. 2182 01:46:24,480 --> 01:46:27,520 She doesn't say anything about feeling torn. 2183 01:46:27,520 --> 01:46:31,160 And that's her biggest reason. She doesn't say that at all. 2184 01:46:31,680 --> 01:46:35,360 And I think that's why Murphy's left feeling like, OK, well, 2185 01:46:35,560 --> 01:46:38,440 maybe one day she will want them because she's just saying I 2186 01:46:38,440 --> 01:46:41,440 don't know if I do. And like I said that my younger 2187 01:46:41,440 --> 01:46:44,960 self, I said, oh, I don't know. And then suddenly it became the 2188 01:46:44,960 --> 01:46:49,440 thing that I wanted most, right? So if she had explained this 2189 01:46:49,440 --> 01:46:53,360 whole reason, I think that their relationship might have ended in 2190 01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:55,640 this book. And maybe that's why she didn't, 2191 01:46:55,640 --> 01:46:57,400 because, you know, Joe has other plans it. 2192 01:46:57,720 --> 01:47:00,840 Better involve kissing at some point or I swear to God. 2193 01:47:01,120 --> 01:47:04,680 Anyway, the thing that finally breaks Robbins resolve not to 2194 01:47:04,680 --> 01:47:08,640 cry is mentioning that even if she doesn't want kids, it wasn't 2195 01:47:08,640 --> 01:47:11,000 easy to hear about what her rapist had done to her. 2196 01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:12,760 That This is why this is happening. 2197 01:47:13,200 --> 01:47:16,280 And I think that's the heart of why this is so painful. 2198 01:47:16,280 --> 01:47:17,920 You know, it's painful for many reasons. 2199 01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:21,600 That's the worst of it, having to heal again physically from 2200 01:47:21,600 --> 01:47:23,320 something that happened so long ago. 2201 01:47:23,760 --> 01:47:27,440 Like you've said before, Pools. It's just that physical sign of 2202 01:47:27,440 --> 01:47:30,680 the emotional trauma. I just noticed something in the 2203 01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:32,920 scene. We're at the beginning of the 2204 01:47:32,920 --> 01:47:36,800 book, Murphy is going to hug Robin, but she shouts no. 2205 01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:39,920 She says it's still, she's still sore, but I think she just 2206 01:47:39,920 --> 01:47:42,280 doesn't want him touching her. She's pushing him away, right. 2207 01:47:43,040 --> 01:47:47,280 And then at the end of the book, Strike pulls her in, but again, 2208 01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:50,280 she shouts no and physically pushes him away. 2209 01:47:50,600 --> 01:47:53,880 But in that case, she did actually really want that 2210 01:47:53,880 --> 01:47:56,280 physical contact. I think that trembling. 2211 01:47:56,480 --> 01:47:59,320 Yeah, gives it away. She said no because she didn't 2212 01:47:59,320 --> 01:48:02,680 want to hurt Murphy the way she was hurt. 2213 01:48:02,680 --> 01:48:06,440 So pain didn't want to cause pain, you know, which is the 2214 01:48:06,440 --> 01:48:08,120 truth. What does it mean? 2215 01:48:08,200 --> 01:48:10,120 I don't know. Yeah, it's a good catch. 2216 01:48:10,120 --> 01:48:13,400 I don't think it needs to mean anything, but it is that nice 2217 01:48:13,400 --> 01:48:16,960 circular pattern that she does so well and I love seeing the 2218 01:48:16,960 --> 01:48:19,760 difference in reactions. Right. 2219 01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:26,080 Murphy causes pain where strike causes trembling out of lust and 2220 01:48:26,080 --> 01:48:29,000 love. It's so satisfying the little it 2221 01:48:29,000 --> 01:48:31,040 is. Yeah, circle clicking into place 2222 01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:32,640 thing. It's the circle of life, you 2223 01:48:32,640 --> 01:48:35,200 know, in the best way. It's elegant. 2224 01:48:35,200 --> 01:48:37,920 It's elegant circle of life. So in begging for her 2225 01:48:37,920 --> 01:48:41,240 forgiveness, Murphy asks her to tell him anything that she wants 2226 01:48:41,240 --> 01:48:44,840 to make her feel better. And in true Robin fashion, she 2227 01:48:44,840 --> 01:48:48,440 asks him to get in contact with the detective he knows on the 2228 01:48:48,440 --> 01:48:51,560 silver vault case. Even when she's miserable, Robin 2229 01:48:51,560 --> 01:48:55,360 is hilarious. Because Ryan, you sound like 2230 01:48:55,360 --> 01:48:57,480 you're trying to lure me into a van. 2231 01:48:57,480 --> 01:48:58,480 He does. So funny. 2232 01:48:58,880 --> 01:49:01,240 Candy. Here, try my candy. 2233 01:49:02,840 --> 01:49:05,200 Although they wouldn't say candy though I think it's sweets. 2234 01:49:05,520 --> 01:49:08,400 Sweets, my puddings, my spotted Dick. 2235 01:49:09,840 --> 01:49:11,920 He could not lure me into a van with that. 2236 01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:15,760 Luring no the van get a look at my spotted no thank. 2237 01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:18,840 You. I'm good, man. 2238 01:49:20,560 --> 01:49:23,040 I don't want anything spotted. I don't even know what that 2239 01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:25,400 actually is as far as a dessert goes, but. 2240 01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:29,600 Oh, it's another version of the Christmas pudding, a batter 2241 01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:31,760 filled with raisins and shit and boils. 2242 01:49:32,440 --> 01:49:34,640 Basically, yeah. Not appealing. 2243 01:49:34,800 --> 01:49:37,920 But genuinely, I love that Robin's going to capitalize on 2244 01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:42,000 Ryan's guilt to get work Intel because that's so typical of her 2245 01:49:42,160 --> 01:49:44,720 and his strangely blank expression. 2246 01:49:44,720 --> 01:49:47,960 I think he wasn't expecting that, which means that he 2247 01:49:47,960 --> 01:49:49,800 doesn't actually understand Robin. 2248 01:49:49,880 --> 01:49:53,000 If he wasn't expecting that, he can't understand having a 2249 01:49:53,000 --> 01:49:54,400 vocation and being this obsessed. 2250 01:49:54,400 --> 01:49:58,200 Not like she and Strike do. So I think it's possible there's 2251 01:49:58,200 --> 01:50:00,040 more to this blank look than that. 2252 01:50:00,080 --> 01:50:04,920 Because because of this look and his momentary silence, Robin 2253 01:50:04,920 --> 01:50:07,480 tells him to forget it. But Murphy says that his 2254 01:50:07,480 --> 01:50:11,080 hesitation is because of that drunken grope with Iverson, 2255 01:50:11,760 --> 01:50:13,440 right? He doesn't want to contact her 2256 01:50:13,440 --> 01:50:16,640 because of that. I feel like there might be more 2257 01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:20,560 to this thing because does a drunken grope from six years ago 2258 01:50:20,560 --> 01:50:24,520 'cause this kind of reaction, you know, Or does it call for 2259 01:50:24,520 --> 01:50:28,000 Iverson sleeping with Wardle later out of sadness that Murphy 2260 01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:30,640 is supposedly getting engaged, as Strike speculates? 2261 01:50:30,640 --> 01:50:32,360 So I'm. Curious. 2262 01:50:32,520 --> 01:50:34,640 That's something that I'm really curious about as well. 2263 01:50:34,640 --> 01:50:37,080 There definitely feels like there's something more here. 2264 01:50:37,280 --> 01:50:41,160 Also, for placing Murphy's group with Iverson chronologically, 2265 01:50:41,160 --> 01:50:43,800 they fooled around right around the time that Strike and Nina 2266 01:50:43,800 --> 01:50:45,560 slept together for the first time in Silk Room. 2267 01:50:46,480 --> 01:50:49,280 Really. Do we have his chronology that 2268 01:50:49,280 --> 01:50:51,720 good? Yep, I compared the hallmarked 2269 01:50:51,720 --> 01:50:54,480 man and Silk were timelines. I just really like stuff. 2270 01:50:54,480 --> 01:50:57,600 Like that, Does anyone else out there have a theory that this 2271 01:50:57,600 --> 01:51:01,640 was more than just what he says? I'm kind of thinking was either 2272 01:51:01,640 --> 01:51:04,560 more or it happened more than once or something. 2273 01:51:04,760 --> 01:51:08,160 I'm also quite curious about whether Murphy's fudging the 2274 01:51:08,160 --> 01:51:11,920 timeline on when it happened vis A vis Lizzie leaving. 2275 01:51:12,320 --> 01:51:16,280 Oh yeah, yeah, because. I feeling like there's some 2276 01:51:16,280 --> 01:51:18,040 fudging of the timelines going on here. 2277 01:51:18,040 --> 01:51:20,440 Yeah, a little. Bit I just also don't understand 2278 01:51:20,440 --> 01:51:24,280 why this woman would be so hung up on a guy that nothing really 2279 01:51:24,280 --> 01:51:26,840 happened with six years ago. Exactly. 2280 01:51:26,840 --> 01:51:30,240 And I mean, I know that that strikes speculation, but still. 2281 01:51:30,360 --> 01:51:33,440 Although Nina's still hung up on strike and that happened. 2282 01:51:33,760 --> 01:51:36,640 Her poor husband. Nina's new husband. 2283 01:51:37,360 --> 01:51:41,320 I kind of felt bad for that guy. This is just so funny, This 2284 01:51:41,320 --> 01:51:42,760 part. Murphy's like, oh, please don't 2285 01:51:42,760 --> 01:51:45,040 be jealous, Robin. I had a drunken grope with this 2286 01:51:45,040 --> 01:51:48,880 woman six years ago, and Robin's like, oh, but I'm so jealous. 2287 01:51:49,640 --> 01:51:51,280 I guess I'll have to deal with it. 2288 01:51:51,440 --> 01:51:53,800 Oh my. God, who knew performative 2289 01:51:53,800 --> 01:51:58,160 jealousy was a thing? The number of shits she gives is 2290 01:51:58,160 --> 01:52:01,240 literally in the negative. Genuinely. 2291 01:52:01,360 --> 01:52:04,880 And then Robin saying she needed to word her response very 2292 01:52:04,880 --> 01:52:08,000 carefully and that she knew she didn't feel jealous but she had 2293 01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:10,440 to pretend a little because she had to get what she wanted. 2294 01:52:11,160 --> 01:52:12,240 Robin. I know. 2295 01:52:12,720 --> 01:52:16,600 And the best part is she was actually super jealous about 2296 01:52:16,600 --> 01:52:20,600 Kim. 5 seconds ago. Presents like 5 seconds ago. 2297 01:52:20,760 --> 01:52:23,840 Yeah, this chapter Robin. We could go through and find 2298 01:52:23,840 --> 01:52:27,320 every instance of Robin being annoyed or jealous or miserable 2299 01:52:27,320 --> 01:52:31,720 at strike with literally any woman for years and years. 2300 01:52:31,760 --> 01:52:33,520 I know. A few chapters from now, she's 2301 01:52:33,520 --> 01:52:35,720 going to be sobbing, heartbroken. 2302 01:52:36,760 --> 01:52:39,280 Heartbroken because of the possibility that Strike fathered 2303 01:52:39,280 --> 01:52:42,440 a child with Bijou, and because her paranoid thoughts are that 2304 01:52:42,440 --> 01:52:44,120 he might still be sleeping with her. 2305 01:52:44,200 --> 01:52:47,400 Even after he very clearly had honestly told her that he was 2306 01:52:47,400 --> 01:52:49,920 not. She is very jealous. 2307 01:52:50,200 --> 01:52:52,480 It's just not about her boyfriend. 2308 01:52:52,680 --> 01:52:55,600 Yeah, yeah. Like you said, Ken's the amount 2309 01:52:55,600 --> 01:52:58,920 of shits that Robin doesn't give about Murphy being pursued by 2310 01:52:58,920 --> 01:53:00,960 another woman. It is the thing that kind of 2311 01:53:00,960 --> 01:53:04,640 makes me feel a bit bad for him, actually, and it's a rare 2312 01:53:04,640 --> 01:53:06,760 feeling for me. So he should probably treasure 2313 01:53:06,760 --> 01:53:10,280 that if he's listening. Oh yeah, Murphy, I'm sure the 2314 01:53:10,280 --> 01:53:13,320 fictional character of Ryan Murphy is listening to this. 2315 01:53:13,320 --> 01:53:15,000 Yeah. Another funny thing when 2316 01:53:15,000 --> 01:53:17,360 Murphy's like, do you only love me for my Intel? 2317 01:53:17,360 --> 01:53:24,680 I'm sorry man. Uncannily accurate guess. 2318 01:53:24,880 --> 01:53:26,560 Yeah, that that made me cringe a little. 2319 01:53:26,560 --> 01:53:29,160 I'm like oh but. Big, it's true. 2320 01:53:29,160 --> 01:53:33,880 You know the answer to. This time, Robin doesn't push 2321 01:53:33,880 --> 01:53:37,720 away his hug, accepts it out of guilt because she's getting her 2322 01:53:37,720 --> 01:53:40,400 Intel and she's realized she doesn't actually feel jealous 2323 01:53:40,400 --> 01:53:43,520 about it at all. Yeah, well, she's got to accept 2324 01:53:43,520 --> 01:53:45,520 it now that he's giving her what she wants. 2325 01:53:47,080 --> 01:53:47,800 Yeah. Right. 2326 01:53:48,800 --> 01:53:50,400 So bad. It's so bad. 2327 01:53:50,680 --> 01:53:55,600 I'm sorry, Robin. There's I love her, but it's 2328 01:53:55,640 --> 01:53:57,600 just too funny. Like it's too funny. 2329 01:53:57,720 --> 01:54:00,720 There is no need to start analyzing that as well. 2330 01:54:00,720 --> 01:54:04,080 There is a need, Robin. There is a serious need to start 2331 01:54:04,080 --> 01:54:06,120 analyzing. It's literally the thing she 2332 01:54:06,120 --> 01:54:07,720 should do the most. Yeah, Oh yeah. 2333 01:54:07,840 --> 01:54:10,080 Take a high-powered microscope to that sucker. 2334 01:54:10,120 --> 01:54:12,080 Yeah, yeah. Analyze. 2335 01:54:12,080 --> 01:54:15,680 The hell out of it. All right, well, that was fun. 2336 01:54:15,880 --> 01:54:18,360 So much Murphy. So much Murphy. 2337 01:54:18,360 --> 01:54:19,680 And you know what, I think there's some more. 2338 01:54:19,680 --> 01:54:21,880 Is there more of them coming? There's more of them coming up 2339 01:54:21,880 --> 01:54:23,040 so. God. 2340 01:54:24,280 --> 01:54:25,720 Yep, All right. What are we doing next time? 2341 01:54:26,240 --> 01:54:28,800 All right, we are doing chapters 10 through 13. 2342 01:54:28,800 --> 01:54:31,760 So that has Strike's birthday, Robin, Murphy and Strike eating 2343 01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:34,600 pizza and discussing the case, and then Strike and Robin 2344 01:54:34,600 --> 01:54:36,720 agreeing to take the case. See you then. 2345 01:54:37,080 --> 01:54:39,720 That'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. 2346 01:54:39,880 --> 01:54:42,200 If you enjoy what you've heard, don't forget to follow us on 2347 01:54:42,200 --> 01:54:45,080 social media. 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