1 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:07,560 And we are live. Welcome to another episode of 2 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:10,240 the Carnivore Evolution podcast. Today we have Dave. 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,560 Dave is coming on their podcast all the way from Australia. 4 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:17,240 So Dave's story is he struggled with his health all his life. 5 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,240 He had issues with sleep, he had issues with his weight, joints. 6 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:23,360 He thought he was doing everything right being on the 7 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:25,640 vegan diet until he eventually came. 8 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,920 He eventually became carnivore and today he's here to share his 9 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:30,400 story. Dave, how are you, buddy? 10 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,720 Well, I'm pretty good now. Better than I've ever been in my 11 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:37,440 life, happier and healthier. So another, it's amazing. 12 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,080 We've had so many people come on the podcast that have 13 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,920 transitioned from vegan to carnivore. 14 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,880 So before we start talking about carnivore, give me a little back 15 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,560 story on you how this all unfolded first. 16 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,720 Well, my dad was 7th day Adventist and so my family, my 17 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:58,280 mum and, and he what, he was really pro vegan, pro 18 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:02,240 vegetarian. Occasionally we got to eat a 19 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,160 little bit of meat. He did like eggs, which was 20 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:10,600 perhaps a saving factor. But you know, as I went through 21 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,760 I, I, it's sort of hard to describe. 22 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,320 Sorry, so many things fled my mind. 23 00:01:17,320 --> 00:01:19,720 I have to sort of pick, OK, what are we going to say? 24 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:21,240 I've got one of my mind that's really. 25 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:22,560 Take your time. Take your time. 26 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:29,200 Yeah. So basically as as we went 27 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,440 through, as it came through life, I had to sort some things 28 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,720 out. My mum and dad divorced when I 29 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:40,320 was about 11, separated and and then later divorced, that sort 30 00:01:40,320 --> 00:01:43,160 of thing and let my mum remarried. 31 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:49,520 And when I was kids sort of went with with with her. 32 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,840 But but I always had a closest with my dad. 33 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:58,040 There was a lot of toxic elements in, in our family when 34 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:03,120 I was a young child. Sadly, it was one time I 35 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,160 remember it's kind of a bit of emotional. 36 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:11,640 My dad used to remember this to me and, and, and, and talk about 37 00:02:11,640 --> 00:02:12,720 it. So I'm not, he would get a bit 38 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,360 emotional talking about it. One time I was about, I think I 39 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,920 was about 5, give or take a little, and I was just in the 40 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,200 front room. They're just sitting on a, on a 41 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,600 sofa. And he, he walked in and, and 42 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,840 he, he said in reflection, he said, you know, and he saw me 43 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,920 wanting so much to be loved, for someone to give me some love and 44 00:02:33,920 --> 00:02:35,960 nobody would give me any. That's what he saw. 45 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:38,840 He recognized that. And he's came and sat down next 46 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,600 to me, put his arm around me. And yet emotionally, as we 47 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,000 recounted how, how I just looked up at him and smiled and just 48 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:51,000 something about that moment, that interaction very special. 49 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,520 I still remember that, especially him telling me, but 50 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:57,200 it was really good. We ended up, we were very close 51 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,520 and there were things we had to sort out, but we were able to 52 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:07,520 talk things out and, and when he passed away, I'm not sure 53 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:12,480 exactly where my memory, but between 30 and 40 years ago and 54 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,400 I got the phone call, I just bawled my eyes out. 55 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:20,200 It was really terrible. But there was no unfinished 56 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,440 business between us at all. That was good. 57 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:30,640 It was all really good memories. It was all yeah, and it was 58 00:03:30,640 --> 00:03:33,640 wonderful. Sorry to hear about that. 59 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,240 How long, How long was that? Was that recent or was that a 60 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,280 couple of years? Between 30 and 40 years ago that 61 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:47,760 he passed, yes, but it was just a little under four years ago my 62 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:49,840 2 year old granddaughter passed away suddenly. 63 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:55,200 My youngest son's little little girl, they were up in Queensland 64 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:59,200 at the time and, and it was just really sudden. 65 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,680 His, his wife was the very health conscious. 66 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,560 She is very well looked after and she thought I better get her 67 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:08,880 to the hospital for a checkup. She piled all the kids in the 68 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:13,600 the vehicle was on the way there within one of her other children 69 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:17,800 said Mummy, mummy. She stopped breathing and I got 70 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,240 to the hospital but there was nothing they could do and it was 71 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,680 just the worst day. My son was at work. 72 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:26,440 He got the news he didn't have his own car with him and a 73 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:30,760 friend loaned him his car, gave him the goat and he went down 74 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:34,520 there, saw them and there was certainly a lot of tears, a lot 75 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,840 of distress and it was really bad. 76 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,080 It was just that, one of the saddest times. 77 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:51,800 So yeah, so we all go go through that. 78 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:56,760 Everyone alive knows what grief is and sadness as well as 79 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,240 hopefully happiness. I dare say some people in the 80 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,120 world might not even know what happiness is. 81 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:07,560 So a lot of things not right in the world, but a lot of good 82 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:13,680 too, if we are of a mind to find it and, and that's good just to 83 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,560 care. I mean, basically a lot of my 84 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:21,240 experiences and life have led me to be rather more of a feeling 85 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:28,240 or an empathy type of a person. And sometimes when we're having 86 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,200 a discussion, sometimes our mind is full of lots of meaning and I 87 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,720 have to find words for it. Yeah, I understand. 88 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,760 Yeah, I understand. I think, I think though, I mean, 89 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,760 you went through an awful lot of trauma in your life, but the way 90 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,080 I see it is that could have went, that could have went in a 91 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,600 different direction. You could have went down a 92 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,440 really, really dark route, But you eventually found your, found 93 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,240 your way, which is what you're going to say to us never very 94 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,200 shortly. So you should be commended for 95 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,840 that because because you've, you've come, I mean, it's not 96 00:05:56,840 --> 00:05:59,280 easy losing a loved one, especially your father, when 97 00:05:59,280 --> 00:06:02,680 you've had such close relationship and it's it's hard. 98 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,600 It is hard, but you have to find your way. 99 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:06,440 You know what I mean? It's not it's not about giving 100 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,240 up on yourself. So, OK, well, this is, this is a 101 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,800 chapter close. Do I give up on myself or do I 102 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:14,680 find a way? And that's what you did. 103 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,920 So that's why that's why you should be extremely proud of 104 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,160 yourself that first of all, you're on these podcasts, you're 105 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,680 sharing your story. We're going to hear more about 106 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,120 how you actually overcame these problems because I heard on the 107 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:31,640 podcast before, but it's remarkable to see now the trauma 108 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,600 that you've gone through and you're still coming out fighting 109 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,240 pretty much. It's amazing, absolutely 110 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,280 amazing. Oh, it's wonderful. 111 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,560 I'll tell you what, the carnival diet, what's done for me, it's 112 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,520 just been incredible. So much deep healing and I've 113 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,120 been able to feel that be quite sensitive to my body. 114 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:55,960 So talking about so so so, did you just fall into veganism by 115 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,480 accident or what? Was it forced onto you or was it 116 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,160 more more religious or what was it about? 117 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,480 That was the way I was raised with 7th day Adventist parents. 118 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,480 Right. Yeah, and of course we know that 119 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,040 the 7th Day Adventist Church, historically speaking, nothing 120 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,240 against them at all. There's a lot of nice people. 121 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:20,360 But they, they were instrumental in, in the, the basics of, of 122 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:25,360 what have become our food and nutrition guidelines, which tend 123 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:30,480 to make people fatter and sicker over time, as we see talking 124 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:35,280 statistics. And but I'm, I'm glad you see, 125 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:42,760 eventually I, I was obese. My doctor took my height and 126 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,600 measured my waist and said, yeah, you're obese. 127 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,280 I had sleep apnea at the other time. 128 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,240 And he told me that if I lose weight, that will help my sleep 129 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,560 apnea. He suggested I go on keto. 130 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:58,760 He said cut out sugar and carbs and and make sure you eat fat 131 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:00,200 because then you won't be so hungry. 132 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,880 That's all he said. So he knew so a couple of basic 133 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:07,760 things but didn't know much. So I thought OK, so how do I do 134 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:09,760 this keto? So I did a Google search found 135 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,000 keto. I found some YouTube posts by 136 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:17,440 the likes of Stan Eckerberg and Ben Azadi and they were really 137 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,800 very helpful. And they also talked about water 138 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,080 fasting too, and I did that and that was really helpful, very 139 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:29,360 cleansing and helpful. So after about six months on 140 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:33,840 keto, I went from 120 kilos to 105 kilos. 141 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:38,280 And then a friend of mine, her name's Lissie Keller, good 142 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,559 friend, and she introduced me to carnivore. 143 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:45,280 Now, because of my background with family and also I'd done a 144 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,680 four year full time course studying homeopathic medicine, 145 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,800 we have a small segment on nutrition, just like other 146 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:53,960 health professionals, I suppose, like doctors, nurses and that 147 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:57,880 sort of thing, but very brief and the sort of things that we 148 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:02,840 would then advise people and then it's turns out to be wrong 149 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,160 advice. Realize when you when when the 150 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:11,040 truth be known, and and so when she. 151 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,840 Sorry, just Jordan that time then how much, how much 152 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,680 nutrition advice were you, were you been given on a week to week 153 00:09:16,680 --> 00:09:18,880 basis or a month to month basis roughly? 154 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:20,760 In the course, no, hardly anything. 155 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,080 Just one segment, one small segment. 156 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,680 And was that on the was that on the food pyramids or what was 157 00:09:26,680 --> 00:09:30,440 that based on? Yeah, no, that was yeah, the 158 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,920 food pyramid was, was part of that as well. 159 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:37,800 Yeah, but just world. And so just basically whatever, 160 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,880 whatever was on the food pyramids, that's basically what 161 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,280 you were told to do. You weren't told to do anything 162 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:44,440 else. You didn't know anything about 163 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,240 cholesterol or the importance of fats or anything like that. 164 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:49,560 It's just like for the food pyramids. 165 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:53,600 So it's amazing. Yeah. 166 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:58,240 So when Lucy suggested carnivore cutting out all the plants 167 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,440 entirely, I objected quite strongly. 168 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,840 But. But I demanded myself to check 169 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,120 things out. OK, I reckon I'm right here and 170 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,160 she's wrong, so I'm going to check it out. 171 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,760 Don't be afraid to check things out for the truth. 172 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,440 I was sure I'd prove myself right and her wrong. 173 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,640 But I checked things out and I found all these. 174 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:21,320 She gave me a link to Canberry and from there are those other 175 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:25,800 links to Paul Mason, Sean Baker, Anthony Chafee and others. 176 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:30,640 And and I was learning some more so much especially with Paul 177 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,000 Mason. He really elaborates loud like 178 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:40,920 lanes makes clear all the evidence so clear and and this 179 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,120 is clearly valid and makes so much sense. 180 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,240 And I spent quite being retired. I was able to spend a lot of 181 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,520 time looking at these things and and understanding them. 182 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:57,440 And so next thing is the acid test do it myself and within a 183 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:01,320 few days the pains were gone because inflammation had stopped 184 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,800 and just kept getting even. There was before any weight loss 185 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:10,080 but but well I had lost some weight on keto but then doing 186 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,160 carnivore. After five months I went back to 187 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:17,680 my doctor just for a general checkup and check things out and 188 00:11:17,680 --> 00:11:20,240 I said doctor, there's nothing wrong, I just came for a check 189 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,000 out. Thank you for advising me to go 190 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,600 on keto. Things are fantastic, thank you. 191 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:27,560 And I thought I'd keep him a positive. 192 00:11:27,560 --> 00:11:30,840 Doctors need a bit of a positive I thought and it was good. 193 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,640 I said I haven't got access to reliable scales so I don't know 194 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,040 what my weight is now. He said I'll hop on these. 195 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,240 So it was down to 89, then after 5. 196 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:38,760 Minutes. Amazing. 197 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:44,600 Amazing. So you went from 1:20 to 89 or 198 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,320 85 in the matter of five months. Incredible. 199 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,040 May and tell me this one, because it's very, it's very 200 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:54,120 unusual for a doctor to push you in this in this direction like 201 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:58,120 keo and carnivore, because most doctors would say don't go near 202 00:11:58,120 --> 00:11:59,560 this diet. This is going to be this is 203 00:11:59,560 --> 00:12:01,240 going to be dangerous. It's going to lead to heart 204 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,800 disease. So it's very unusual to hear 205 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,120 doctors say this because this is what we want. 206 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,960 This is why I have AI, have a bad relationship with people on 207 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,320 social media is because we've been pushed in One Direction. 208 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,680 We've been pushed, you know, I mean, the father food pyramid to 209 00:12:16,680 --> 00:12:18,840 eat the carbohydrates, to eat the fiber. 210 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,080 We're all doing this. Every single one of us are doing 211 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,360 this in the world at the moment. But they still haven't got a 212 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,320 clue why we're all struggling. But they know how to medicate 213 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,880 the problem. Exactly right. 214 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:34,480 You know what I mean? Yeah, Too much. 215 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,560 Too much medication. So, so from, from you, from your 216 00:12:38,560 --> 00:12:41,520 standpoint, because because you're, you came from that, that 217 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:45,800 life, you would have an inside out of how this actually works. 218 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:50,640 So why do you feel that they're so against the diet? 219 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:54,680 Because this is where I just don't understand why we can't 220 00:12:54,680 --> 00:12:57,680 work together. I don't understand why we can't 221 00:12:57,680 --> 00:12:59,480 get on it. We can't get on a podcast and 222 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,320 have this debate like face to face, like, you know what I 223 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,520 mean? Yeah, exactly right. 224 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,240 Yeah. And, and I really appreciate 225 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,320 your podcast and I really appreciate your story too. 226 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,760 I was very deeply moved and touched by your story. 227 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:21,880 But the there was a guest on one of Dave Mack's interviews. 228 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,800 Her name was Terry. She was, she was in the 229 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,920 military. She was doing a lot of research 230 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,120 and she'd come across so much information. 231 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:36,080 She's been around for quite a while and and she was now on on 232 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,560 the carnivore and she'd researched a lot about that. 233 00:13:39,560 --> 00:13:42,160 She really studied plants and said that's why I don't eat 234 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:46,920 them. And she said something about the 235 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:52,000 law of primacy. So oh, what's that she said, 236 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,960 Well, basically it states that the first thing you learn is the 237 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,920 correct thing. So you get a mental set of the 238 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:03,680 things that we're bombarded with and we think that is the correct 239 00:14:03,680 --> 00:14:07,480 thing. Seems to be a common human trait 240 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:11,080 to be dogmatic. Automatic is a psychological 241 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,200 state where you hold to a point of view regardless of any and 242 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:19,360 all evidence to the contrary. And, and she said an interesting 243 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,920 figure, she, it turns out 3%, only 3% of people are capable of 244 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:28,400 changing their mind when it, when it gets to that point. 245 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,920 And it seems to bear out with my observations and experience with 246 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:36,520 people I speak to. Now listen, you know, we talked 247 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,720 to one other person, her name is Marie, type 2 diabetic. 248 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,440 And she, she did carnivore. I don't think she was quite 249 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,520 doing quite 100%, but she's doing given her a really good go 250 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,440 and in a few months her medication was able to be 251 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,160 halved. So that's a positive, that's an 252 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,040 achievement that's really good and we were happy with that. 253 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:01,040 But yeah, that thing that that that Lady on with Dave Mack 254 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,920 talked about with all her research said basically with 255 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:08,520 what we're being told, you have to take that and turn it around 256 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,720 180°, then you'll be going in the right direction. 257 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,720 And then she said, so that's my PhD in a nutshell, she said. 258 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:24,400 So basically it's it's so it's just, well, it's almost shocking 259 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,640 really that this is the reality in the world. 260 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:29,880 But The thing is where it is though, the thing, sorry Dave, 261 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,240 but The thing is you go ahead, go, go ahead. 262 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,120 Sorry, yeah, I like to challenge my challenge, my understanding. 263 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,000 If there's something that comes up and and I disagree with you, 264 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,440 I want to challenge my point of view, not just their point of 265 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:44,240 view, but I'm going to change my own point of view too. 266 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:48,120 But I find it's extremely rare to find anyone else with that 267 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,440 attitude. Like you would think, you would 268 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,760 think that when it was only like about 3 or 4 months ago when 269 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:56,920 they flipped, they flipped the pyramid upside down. 270 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,960 You would have thought, OK, now this is going to open people's 271 00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:02,560 eyes. Maybe we've been wrong, but if 272 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,200 anything, when the, when the pyramid got flipped upside down, 273 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:09,280 everybody lost their minds. They were like, Oh my God, this 274 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,320 is, this is, this is, this is all wrong here. 275 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,720 This is wrong. So they were still, they were 276 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,920 still defending the pyramid, even though it was flipped 277 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,480 upside down, which was, which was, which was incredible. 278 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,320 And to this day now we're still been fed the BS. 279 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,760 We're still been fed about the, the carbohydrates, the fiber. 280 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,600 I mean, I'm here and I'm hearing on a regular basis that we're 281 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,040 not protein deficient. We're fiber deficient. 282 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,200 I'm, I'm, I'm hearing on a regular basis that we should 283 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,760 stay away from saturated fats. There's nothing wrong with seed 284 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,160 oils. I mean, seed oils came into the 285 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,360 world's, what about 100 years ago, something like that, 200 286 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,480 years ago, engine oil. So that we say you want us to 287 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:50,440 consume engine oil, but the saturated fat that's on our meat 288 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:52,720 that we've been eating for centuries. 289 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,360 You're telling me to ignore that, You know what I mean? 290 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,960 And then when you look at, when you look at the world, when you 291 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:03,920 look at the world as a whole, as a whole, we're all on a low fat 292 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:05,720 diet. Everybody's on a low fat diet 293 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:09,000 because nobody eats high fat. Because when you mention high 294 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,359 fat to someone, no, I can't do that because it contains too 295 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:14,520 many calories. It's going to give you 296 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:16,760 cholesterol. High cholesterol is going to 297 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,920 lead to heart disease. But like when you look in the 298 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,960 shop, it's all marketed towards low fat. 299 00:17:24,319 --> 00:17:29,920 It's all marketed margarine, all these yogurts, it's all low fat, 300 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,760 but yet we still have a massive health problem in the world. 301 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,640 Exactly right, you really keep at eye level, especially for 302 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,480 children junk food. It's crazy, isn't it? 303 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,400 It's like, OK, you're, you're pushing us towards foods. 304 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,840 That's not even real foods. You're pushing us towards 305 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,800 veganism. That's not even real food has a 306 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:54,480 list of ingredients in it. You look at like a beef burger, 307 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:58,040 the house that has only one single ingredient food in a 308 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,840 beef, pretty much nothing else. And if you look at and you look 309 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,840 at a vegan burger, you look at the ingredients, it has over 20 310 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:09,240 ingredients and you're telling me that this be this vegan 311 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,080 burger is healthier than this burger it. 312 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,200 Was crazy, I know it's. Making sense? 313 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,400 One of the images that was used in one of the lectures that I 314 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:26,120 saw was a, a, a meal. There was a burger, fries, there 315 00:18:26,120 --> 00:18:30,280 was a, a, a sweet dessert and a coke. 316 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:35,080 And, and, and, and, and in some of the studies that vegans rely 317 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:39,160 on the very poor quality science, the demiological 318 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,040 studies, you know, just the questionnaires and guesswork 319 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,360 type of thing, they look at that and they class the health 320 00:18:43,360 --> 00:18:46,840 effects of that meal as being the results of meat because it's 321 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,960 a little thin sliver of meat in the burger, but it's a vegan 322 00:18:50,120 --> 00:18:51,560 meal. Take out that thin sliver of 323 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:53,240 meat. Now it says a bit a vegan meal, 324 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:54,600 so. Exactly. 325 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,040 Exactly. Why don't they just think a 326 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:01,040 little bit there? And and isn't it amazing like 327 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,240 the plants go into the cow, we eat the cow. 328 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:08,480 So why do I need to eat the plants if the if the animal eats 329 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,520 it for me? Exactly. 330 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:11,760 But now you know. What I mean? 331 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:16,120 Well, it's now in 100% bio available form or 98 to 100. 332 00:19:16,120 --> 00:19:17,680 Percent. Exactly, exactly. 333 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,840 We're getting in this. We're getting in it's perfect 334 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,240 form. The proteins, the nutrients, 335 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,440 we're getting everything that's perfect form. 336 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:27,800 We don't need to get it from plants. 337 00:19:30,120 --> 00:19:32,120 Yep. It's remarkable, isn't it? 338 00:19:32,120 --> 00:19:35,280 It really is so and so. Was it an easy transition then 339 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,560 going from vegan straight into carnivore or did it take a bit 340 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,600 of time? No, I did keto first and that 341 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:42,480 helped. Yeah, A. 342 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:48,560 Bit of meat, more meat there, but as well, like they even 343 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:52,520 recommended, you know, and eggs, put in butter, those sorts of 344 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,040 things as well. But with things like avocado and 345 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,000 and all the various things, but not the starchy vegetables, 346 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,480 trying to avoid the like potatoes and sweet potatoes and 347 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,280 things like that. But I've always loved potatoes 348 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,920 so. That out. 349 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:12,800 But I was a big carbohydrate addict and sugar addict big 350 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,720 time. I get a big tub of ice cream. 351 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,480 By the next evening it's gone, you know. 352 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,000 And yeah, yeah. Not good. 353 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,320 No nutrients in sugar, no nutrients at all. 354 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,640 And the thing about it is when you're eating the sugar, there's 355 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,040 no cut off point because I know exactly what you're talking 356 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:30,920 about. I was just saying I could eat 357 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,920 all day nonstop and it just felt like I can't stop doing this. 358 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,840 And it would get, it would get to the stage where I'd be waking 359 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,760 up in the middle of the night and I'd have to have something 360 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,520 like either banana or a protein shake or I'd have to have 361 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:44,760 something because I was starving. 362 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,160 You know what I mean? And where, where's now I don't 363 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,120 have any of that. The biggest shift, I don't know 364 00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:53,920 about you, Dave, but the biggest shift for me when I came to 365 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:58,200 carnivore was how my hunger was so controlled. 366 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:02,200 I went from nearly eight meals a day, 6 or 8 meals a day, and now 367 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:03,560 I'm only consuming 2 meals a day. 368 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,560 That was a that was a massive shift for me, massive shift. 369 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,880 One or two meals a day. The couple of times I didn't 370 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:12,120 have time so I only had smaller meals. 371 00:21:12,120 --> 00:21:16,680 I maybe had three, but it was on a particularly busy days. 372 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,560 I didn't have time to sit and relax and eat much. 373 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:25,120 But sometimes just one meal a day, you know, like yesterday I 374 00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:28,240 had a kilo of grass fed beef mince. 375 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,640 Oh, I stayed satisfied all the way through. 376 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:33,200 This afternoon I had another meal. 377 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:37,560 I had about 800 grams of grass fed beef and Waterhouse steaks. 378 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:43,320 So just completely satisfying because your body no, since it's 379 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,240 all the nutrients, not not counting the calories, but just 380 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:47,960 the nutrients. They're all there, exactly. 381 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,480 Satisfied. That's the keyword there. 382 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,360 Satisfied. You're never, ever hungry. 383 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:54,920 Ever. No. 384 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:56,800 You know what I mean? It's just that there's no 385 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,160 crashes. There's no crashes. 386 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,560 And insulin, it's like, OK, and, and remember when we used to eat 387 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,720 the carbohydrates every two or three hours, you'd have to eat 388 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,400 again. How many times did you have your 389 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,200 breakfast in the morning? And straight away you'd be 390 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:09,800 thinking you'd be straight. You'd be thinking about your 391 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,560 snack straight away. Exactly right, yeah. 392 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,520 Yeah, had it many, many times myself. 393 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,720 I'd have a bowl of oats in the morning with my protein. 394 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,280 I couldn't wait to eat again two hours later. 395 00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:24,280 Yes, exactly right. Unbelievable. 396 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,000 It's just, it's honestly, it's just, and it's amazing because 397 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,840 when you, when you, I always say this to people when they come 398 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,920 and see me, why could you not stick to a diet? 399 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,920 And most of them say that couldn't stick to a diet because 400 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,240 I was always hungry. And there, there's the, there's 401 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,440 the main issue there. They made them. 402 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,320 The problem is not willpower, because that's what happens when 403 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,360 you go into a like a calorie deficit. 404 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,640 You have to, yeah, it's all about willpower. 405 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,240 And you have to like be you have to like, they'll give it all 406 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,760 this, this BS. So it's you're meant to suffer 407 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,240 if you want to get in shape, but absolutely nonsense. 408 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,240 You can get in shape. You can get in shape very, very 409 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,320 easy without starving yourself. That's the difference. 410 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,120 But it's easy for us to talk about because we've experienced 411 00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:04,920 that. We know. 412 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,320 But when I'm talking to people who don't know, they think, oh, 413 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,800 that must take a lot of willpower. 414 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,600 And no, it doesn't really. And you see, it's not required 415 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,440 registering their brain. They're not really believing me. 416 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,600 But all I can do is tell the truth and hope for the best. 417 00:23:18,360 --> 00:23:21,680 I thought this afternoon, a couple that I know, some 418 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,560 friends, they've some serious health issues and they're 419 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,880 getting on a bit, but just just in conversation sort of thing. 420 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,800 And he said, well, what, what, what should I eat? 421 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,480 And I said, oh, I can't tell you what to eat or not to eat. 422 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:37,960 He said no, no, just in conversation. 423 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,640 We're just asking this question, question again. 424 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:45,200 So I was able to give him a lot of information just in a 425 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,520 friendship way. And and that's tricky. 426 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,480 I'm getting better at that because usually I'm I'm so I get 427 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,280 so excited because it's so good. But my so good. 428 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,240 I want to share the world. Exactly. 429 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,560 Yeah, yeah. All the knowledge in one hit, 430 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,280 but of course it doesn't work. I'm the same, Dave. 431 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,520 Like when I go to my gym, I go to my gym like three days a week 432 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,120 and every time I'm in the changing rooms, I'm always 433 00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:11,640 hearing the men giving out about their life. 434 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,080 Pretty much. They don't like going to the 435 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,480 gym. They're sore. 436 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,600 They're you know what I mean? They're they, they think that 437 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:18,960 they're eating food. Every time you go into the 438 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,920 change rooms, you're always talking about their diets. 439 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,240 And all you want to do is just go over and stand in the middle 440 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,680 of that conversation and say, guys, listen, you've been fed 441 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,520 nonsense here. It's not working. 442 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,600 You're yeah, you. Because The thing is, they're 443 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,880 doing the same thing. They're doing the same thing 444 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,000 year in, year out. And the definition of insanity, 445 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:41,400 in my opinion, is going back and doing the same nonsense year in, 446 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:42,960 year out and coming out the same outcome. 447 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,440 It doesn't make sense. Yeah, I heard. 448 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,320 You know what I mean. I in one lecture I said an 449 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,480 interesting little quip, he said. 450 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,880 If you keep doing what you've always done, you'll keep getting 451 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,520 what you've always got. Exactly, exactly. 452 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,640 It's never going to. It's never going to get better. 453 00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,920 And we should be getting better as we get older. 454 00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:02,160 Why is everybody just going on a diet all the time? 455 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,720 Because every time you ask somebody, oh, I'm on a diet, six 456 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,280 months later I'm on a diet. I'm on the same diet. 457 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,280 So it's the same diet all the time. 458 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,120 You're in it, you're on a low calorie diet. 459 00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:15,560 There's a reason why you don't like doing them because they, 460 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,040 they don't, they don't suit you. You're miserable, you're hungry. 461 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,400 So why don't you not look at something else? 462 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,640 Why don't you not look at what we're doing and see what 463 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,280 happens? I know, and it's very serious. 464 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,120 However, it reminded me of a very funny story. 465 00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:34,200 There was a guy in or there was a boss of this big company. 466 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,320 There's quite a lot of employees and there's office. 467 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,720 They were wearing suits and the policy was to wear a fairly dark 468 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,000 coloured suit. This one guy, he had a very 469 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:48,960 light coloured suit and the boss came and said to him, he said 470 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:53,240 diet or buy a new suit. He went away and next time he 471 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,400 came back a couple of months later, the guy was still wearing 472 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,800 a light coloured suit and he came up to him and says, excuse 473 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,120 me, I, I, I spoke to you a couple of months ago. 474 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,480 He said yes, but Sue, I started my diet that very morning or the 475 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:10,080 very next morning. It's a funny story this time. 476 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,120 And it's, it's mad, isn't it? Because they're like, it's, it's 477 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,160 they, they just want that quick fix. 478 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,880 They just want to stay, just want it so quickly. 479 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,240 It's like, OK, well, I have 3 or 4 weeks before my holidays or I 480 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,360 have 3 or 4 weeks before my wedding or whatever it is. 481 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,920 And they do want to rush into it as quick as possible, but they 482 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,360 don't, they don't look at the long term thing here that you're 483 00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:31,960 it. The most important thing here is 484 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,040 your health. So just because you're getting 485 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,480 in shape does not mean you're healthy. 486 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,720 I've said many, many times when when you look at me and you 487 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,560 people assume that we're healthy, but they have no idea 488 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:47,560 what's going on the inside of our bodies because nobody has a 489 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,080 clue. Nobody talks about visceral 490 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:50,880 fats. They are all anybody just talks 491 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,560 about body fats. So if you were a if, so, if 492 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,720 someone looked at you and said, OK, Dave, you're obese. 493 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,560 OK, you're obese. But what do I do about it? 494 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,480 Most doctors, most PTS will say to you, OK, Dave, you need to go 495 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,600 on a diet. OK, well what am I going to eat? 496 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:07,760 They're going to say to you, OK, you need to do a training 497 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,000 program. OK, that's fine. 498 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,080 But you said to me, go on a diet. 499 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,640 What am I going to do? They're going to say to you, you 500 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,240 need to go on a low calorie diet. 501 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,320 OK, I'll go on a low calorie diet. 502 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,760 But what what you need to tell me, what does that food consist 503 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,760 of? So what will happen is maybe 50% 504 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,920 of that diet is going to be carbohydrates. 505 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,120 So you're going to be hungry on a regular basis because you're 506 00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:30,840 not shutting off the hunger hormone. 507 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,280 That's where you're struggling. So you're going to be eating, 508 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,680 you're going to be eating small meals throughout the whole day. 509 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,240 You're going to be eating your first meal and then you'll be 510 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:39,880 thinking about your second meal straight away. 511 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,400 And then what will happen is you know you're hungry, but then 512 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,080 you're going to get the PT saying to you, you're meant to 513 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,280 be hungry. You're meant to suffer. 514 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,440 If you want to lose weight, you're meant to suffer to lose 515 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,480 weight. Absolutely nonsense. 516 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,160 Nonsense. Nonsense. 517 00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:00,280 You're right, I fully agree. No, nobody should go through 518 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,640 that. Nobody should be. 519 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,960 So I mean, look what our ancestors did. 520 00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:06,400 Do you want to see think they were on a low calorie diet? 521 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,680 They basically ate when, when they when they went after the 522 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,960 animal, they went after the animal and they waited and they 523 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,040 waited till they all set around the fire and then they had a, a 524 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,840 good feast. And then the next day, then they 525 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,880 probably fasted because we're still full because let's, let's 526 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,320 face it, they probably didn't kill an animal every day. 527 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,880 Most maybe, maybe some days they had to fast. 528 00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:31,880 Maybe they did have to like to feast on like fruits from the 529 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,040 trees or vegetation from the trees. 530 00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:37,880 But I've also, I've always said these foods were survival foods. 531 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,640 They weren't foods that you need, you needed to heavily rely 532 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,000 on. We evolved on an animal based 533 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,080 diet. The reason why I know this is 534 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,680 because when you look at what happens in Canada, Canada go 535 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,320 through the winter times, they have a lot of snow. 536 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,680 Now where's all the, where's all the fruits and vegetable trees 537 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,360 and that season, it's no word. I'm saying you look at the Ice 538 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,480 Age. What do they consume in the Ice 539 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,360 Age? Do they consume like fruits and 540 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,200 berries and plants and stuff like that? 541 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:11,480 No, you know what I mean? So this is, and then we need to 542 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,120 look at basically our fruits and our vegetables. 543 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,240 They're not the same as what they were 200 years ago. 544 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,440 That's true. That's true. 545 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,760 Nowhere near the same. And when they're in season, when 546 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,320 they're available, is, is it's just before winter. 547 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,760 So they can eat those and the fruits on that and the the 548 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,640 sugars in that, they help them put on some fat ahead of winter. 549 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,640 Yeah. And there's a timing of that is 550 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,280 is significant too. I mean, look at this, look at 551 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,320 the size of strawberry. Now it's but that size. 552 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,720 Or back then it was strawberries, but that size, now 553 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,800 it's that size. You know what I mean? 554 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:50,520 Crazy isn't craps crazy? We don't know where we're going. 555 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,720 Yeah. You know, I mean, so it's just 556 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,000 so So you've been doing carnivore for how long now? 557 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,560 Just over a year. Over a year and how long have 558 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,320 you been doing it man? This nine years. 559 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,120 Just this year. Fantastic. 560 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:11,960 Oh wow, I wish I'd been. Doing it for 9 years, don't get 561 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,320 me wrong there, the first year was difficult, really, really 562 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,680 difficult. But yeah, because I made, I made 563 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,920 so many mistakes. I went high protein, I went high 564 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,120 for, I didn't know what I was doing. 565 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,640 I hadn't got a clue. And I thought I quite just got, 566 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,640 all I had to do was just pretty much eat meat. 567 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,200 But yeah, I made a lot of mistakes. 568 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:34,240 And then I was introducing like gas sweeteners and stuff like 569 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,680 that. So I was convinced I could, I 570 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,080 could get away with it. And but for me, it's just for 571 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,400 me, I had to go strict carnivore because of my, because of my 572 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,680 carb lifestyle. I can't. 573 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,000 For me I can't moderate addiction at all. 574 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,800 Me either. Now I I went strict carnivore to 575 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:52,960 you. I thought if I'm going to check 576 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,520 this out, I have to check it out. 577 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,200 It has to be strict carnivore if there's anything not strict 578 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,120 carnivore. So no, no SO. 579 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,120 It doesn't work. I've got rid of some more things 580 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:07,800 in the beginning, but I guess unfortunately the these days 581 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:12,560 there's so many podcasts and YouTube videos available full of 582 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,320 real information. It's not just rubbish. 583 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,480 I know some people put rubbish on there on YouTube and that 584 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,040 sort of thing. But, and sometimes I've come 585 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,440 across that, oh, that looks interesting. 586 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,760 Oh and it's just rubbish and quickly recognize that and I 587 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,800 just turned it off and looking for something of value. 588 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,120 I'm the same I'm getting every day now. 589 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,120 I hardly watch any TV because I'm not getting any value out of 590 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:37,920 it whatsoever. If anything, the TV actually 591 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,680 makes me angry because I'm watching it. 592 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,920 And every time you watch, you see the ads start bringing up 593 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:47,000 these like food adverts. And that usually triggers when 594 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,480 you look at these foods on TV. That's where people usually 595 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:54,000 struggle. So it's, it's in your face, it's 596 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,720 literally in your face. So it causes, it causes stress. 597 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,680 And I, I used to be one of those people that when I used to watch 598 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,240 these foods on TV, I'd be tempted to buy it the next day. 599 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:09,560 Whereas now I would rather be on podcasts with yourself or I'm on 600 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,280 YouTube, I'm listening to something or I'm getting some 601 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,600 content ready. So basically what I'm doing is 602 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,920 I'm just keeping myself. I'm keeping this sweet. 603 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:22,080 I think when the mindset goes wild and it starts going 604 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:24,800 haywire, that's when you're in trouble. 605 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,560 So I need to make sure that every day that my, my mindset is 606 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:29,960 sweet. And the best way to do it, in my 607 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,480 opinion, is starting from the gut. 608 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,440 When you feed the gut the right way, you feel differently, you 609 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,320 react differently. You do. 610 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,880 I'm so much calmer now this. Oh, incredible. 611 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,480 Incredible. Even when one woman was very 612 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,160 hostile to me and she came, she's, she was afraid, but she'd 613 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,280 been quiet for a while. I think she'd been stewing over 614 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,680 it for a while and and then one day she just came out and with 615 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,080 some hostility. And I can't do it. 616 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,280 I haven't got the hostility to do it. 617 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,920 But she so you have to have your phytonutrients, but hostile. 618 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,560 I just observed that I didn't react at all. 619 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,920 I didn't even feel inclined to react, but I was sort of 620 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,880 imperturbable sort of thing. Just just remain completely 621 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:13,480 calm. Yeah. 622 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,080 I didn't try to respond because he was not in a reasonable state 623 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:16,960 of mind. I could say that. 624 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,000 OK. And I didn't worry about it. 625 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,200 I just went on with what I was doing and, and then later on to 626 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,400 let him know there's no side feelings. 627 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,680 If I saw her in a group or something, give a smile and a 628 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,760 wave. And she started to smile and 629 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,200 wave back a little bit and finally became back to being a 630 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:37,040 normal friendly self again. But people can Stew over things. 631 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,160 And because of the misinformation, we've been told 632 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:44,240 that we eve because we've settled that that is the correct 633 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,760 thing in our mind. If we're not capable of 634 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:51,000 challenging ourselves, OK, we don't have that level of self 635 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:55,760 honesty to challenge ourselves. Yeah, it comes down to you need 636 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,160 to make decision for yourself, you know, I mean, that's what 637 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,120 comes down to, I mean, me and you will, will, will soak from 638 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:06,400 the riff, from the rooftops that this is this is our, this is our 639 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,159 way of living. This is the way. 640 00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:10,719 I mean, it's amazing. You look at every every species, 641 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,320 every animal on the planet knows exactly what to eat. 642 00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:16,040 We're the only human. We're the only animal on the 643 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,960 planet that's confused. We haven't got a clue what. 644 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,080 To eat We haven't. Got a clue? 645 00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:23,520 You know what I mean? It's amazing. 646 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,159 Like, you look at a lion. Do you think a lion is confused 647 00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:28,840 about what to eat? The lion knows exactly what it 648 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,600 needs to eat. You know what I mean? 649 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,520 You look at a gorilla, same thing. 650 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,600 The gorilla knows exactly what it needs to eat. 651 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,880 When you walk into a zoo, what does it say? 652 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,480 All over the zoo? It says do not feed the animals. 653 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,159 Why do you think that is? Because you're going to make 654 00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:42,639 them sick. Exactly. 655 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:44,840 But that's what we're doing to humans. 656 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,239 Exactly. Big signs up. 657 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,040 Be careful what you feed yourself because. 658 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,360 Yeah, they should have. They should have it on the on 659 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,440 the on the shops do not feed the standard to humans and that 660 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,640 maybe would make a difference. I've heard a few people say on 661 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,040 the podcast something about you go in the grocery store and 662 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,600 there's nothing, there's no food there. 663 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,800 Yeah. I think registers maybe 3%, you 664 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,440 know? Well, you see what's going on in 665 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,640 the world at the moment. They, they know exactly what 666 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,000 they're doing because they're making, people are really 667 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,360 struggling financially at the moment and they're making, 668 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,960 they're making red meat very, very expensive, but they're 669 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,440 making processed food very, very affordable. 670 00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:23,080 So they know exactly what they're doing. 671 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,560 They're going to feed you the problem and then when you do 672 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,440 become sick, they're going to make sure they have the solution 673 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,040 for you. Yeah, but some certain things 674 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,080 balance out, like I don't have to pay money for prescriptions. 675 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,440 There's the grocery store I don't buy anymore. 676 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,720 Also I used to have to have lots of supplements that cost a fair 677 00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:46,480 bit over time and and and like if I went a few days without 678 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,560 them I'd really be missing them and noticed the need for them. 679 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,120 But just carnival haven't needed them at all. 680 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,480 Discontinued and I haven't missed them at all. 681 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,480 Haven't noticed the need for them at all. 682 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,360 Yeah, yeah, it's amazing how much it's amazing that you don't 683 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,240 throw anymore waste though anymore either. 684 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,640 You don't, no. Well, they say you can. 685 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,720 Like if you force feed yourself and eat too much. 686 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,960 It's possible, but it's. It's impossible to eat. 687 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,720 It's it's impossible to overeat on carnivore, Impossible. 688 00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:16,400 Trust me, I've tried a few times. 689 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,280 It's not easy. I mean you could you try, you 690 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,600 try and consume like 2 lbs of meat and one go and let me know 691 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,160 how you get on. Well, that's what I did 692 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:31,400 yesterday and sort of almost that much tonight to when I did 693 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,360 a Keeler that's just over 2 lbs. No, that was very fooling. 694 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,440 Absolutely. Favor that I had later on. 695 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,120 I just remembered I forgot about that bit. 696 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,480 Well, I, I try, I tried one, I can't remember how long it was, 697 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,640 but I tried to consume. I think it's around 3 lbs of me 698 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:53,160 and one sitting one time. And I did get through it, but it 699 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,080 took me nearly an hour, oh, just over an hour and 20 minutes to 700 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,640 consume it all. I did get it in, but my God, I'm 701 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,160 not joking with you Dave. I didn't eat from the four days 702 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,200 after that. Four days. 703 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,880 I, I fasted. Now that wasn't forced onto me. 704 00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:11,520 That was natural. I was full for four days. 705 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,400 Four days. Four days and I was, I was fine. 706 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,320 I went to the gym. I went to the gym. 707 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,480 I was, I was walking every day. Never once did I struggle with 708 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:22,440 my hunger. Not once. 709 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,200 Would have been, it would have been like with with people that 710 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,040 were living on hunting by the animals. 711 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,760 They'd be like that. They'd be so full for a long 712 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,160 time and then yeah, like last for a long time before the next 713 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,400 kill A. 100% I do. I do it myself. 714 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,760 Like some days I'll wake up and I'm like, OK, it's 11:00, I'm 715 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,440 not hungry. It's 1:00. 716 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,320 I'm still not hungry. It comes to around 6:00 PM, I'm 717 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,200 still not hungry. So what I've been doing is I've 718 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,000 been fasting, but it hasn't been forced onto me. 719 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,240 It's just natural. It's just natural. 720 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:57,160 Yeah. Yeah. 721 00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:58,360 You know, I mean, that's the difference. 722 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,600 If you're, if you're in a fastest state and you're 723 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,760 thinking about food, that means you're starving the body. 724 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,400 We're not starving the body at all. 725 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,880 Not at all. Takes no willpower at all. 726 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,320 It's just say. No willpower at all. 727 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,040 It's just, it's just just comes natural. 728 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,440 It's like this. I feel good. 729 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,480 There's no there's no fight or flight situation. 730 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,280 I'm not panicking around food and the one thing about 731 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,880 carnivore I've always said is this, it fixes your relationship 732 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:26,120 with food very, very quickly. So if people it's so I don't 733 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,080 understand when people say kind of orders is an eating disorder. 734 00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:32,120 If anything, carnivore is going to fix your eating disorder. 735 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,160 Exactly. It does, yeah. 736 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,640 We've seen many examples of that on the podcast interviews, 737 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,680 people just sharing this story. It's so wonderful and people are 738 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,640 so keen because you're so happy with it. 739 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:50,400 You're keen to come on and and like, you know, for, for all the 740 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,880 money you're paying me to be here if I like. 741 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:58,960 But it'll still be 0. But it's just a joy thing. 742 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,400 Yeah, we do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 743 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,400 So, Dave, I want to be respectful of your time, but I'm 744 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:04,760 going to ask you two final questions. 745 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,760 The first thing I'm going to ask you is, So what are you doing at 746 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,120 the moment? Are you doing one meal a day or 747 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:10,320 two meal a day? And what are you eating? 748 00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:14,560 It depends how I feel like if I'm hungry, I'll eat, but if I'm 749 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,840 no I don't. So lately it's turning out to 750 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:21,160 one meal a day. But as I say, if I'm I'm I'm 751 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,760 busy, I sort of time just have time for a small meal now. 752 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:29,040 Well, then I'll eat again later, obviously, but basically if I 753 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,880 have time to have a good meal that that really satisfies me, 754 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:39,360 makes me comfortably full, or what is it that can be said 755 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,720 comfortably stuffed? Yeah, yeah. 756 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:48,080 Then one meal a day is plenty and some goodness that's what we 757 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:52,800 don't even eat like you said. And what the family thought 758 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,720 about all this, Are they on board with it? 759 00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:56,600 Are they against it? What's what's been going on? 760 00:39:57,240 --> 00:40:00,280 Well, my daughter's starting to use it a little bit. 761 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,000 It's partly still with her family. 762 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,560 She's not sure about if they'll be able to do the full carnivore 763 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,440 or something like this because they would like to have some 764 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,920 vegetables. So I suggested a compromise so 765 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,840 they can get some of the benefit, at least according to 766 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:21,440 what they're willing to allow. Perhaps one meal a day or even 1 767 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:26,080 meal every other day. Just have a complete meat. 768 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,880 Meal and drink nothing but water during or a couple of hours 769 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,720 before, a couple of hours after, just to avoid the plants with 770 00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:36,640 their anti nutrients and toxins and that sort of thing. 771 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,680 Just so you get the full benefit of that meal and you can have 772 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,840 meat with the vegetables and that the other times that's 773 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,000 fine. You'll still get some some 774 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,400 benefit, but just to to get a little bit of carnivore in 775 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:50,920 there. And she thought, well, that 776 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,080 sounds workable. So she willing to go that. 777 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,960 So if that can benefit that's, that's well, that's, that's 778 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,360 pretty good. But in her family situation, 779 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:05,800 she's with her husband and and grown up kids now they're it's a 780 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:12,840 little bit harder to or to do a full carnival meal known as When 781 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,560 my kids were little, I was trying to raise them to be 782 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,400 vegetarians. You know, I know I would say I'm 783 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,320 the same day. I have to say I have the same 784 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,400 problem. Like my daughter is older now. 785 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,760 And the biggest regret I have is like, I didn't teach her this 786 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,920 when she was younger, You know, I mean, because at the end of 787 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,680 the day, I can't force her to eat this way because she's an 788 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,000 adult now and she can do her own thing now, which is unfortunate. 789 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:41,040 And it absolutely kills me when she asks me to get her the 790 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,080 cereals and the processed food and all that. 791 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,240 And I don't buy it. I don't buy. 792 00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:48,800 I'm like, OK, if you want to buy it, you can buy it yourself. 793 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,920 I'll buy you proper foods like the carbs, and I'll buy you some 794 00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:54,920 proper proteins. But when it comes to the 795 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,880 processed junk, that's where I draw the line. 796 00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,520 I'm like, I'm not buying you the junk food. 797 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,640 If that's going to be your, it's going to come out of your 798 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,000 pocket. If you want to pay for it to 799 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,120 you, I'll advise you not to do it. 800 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,920 But if you want to buy it, there's nothing I can do about 801 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:07,360 that. Exactly. 802 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:09,840 Yeah. You know what I mean? 803 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,000 So it's unfortunate because you don't, you don't want to see any 804 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,800 harm come to your family because I'm dealing with two issues now 805 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,920 and at the moment and it's causing major, major problems in 806 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,120 the home at the moment in in my family's home. 807 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,200 My dad's a type 2 diabetic. He's in a really, really bad 808 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,120 way. He's he has dementia as well. 809 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,160 He's heading in that direction. He's forgetting a lot of stuff. 810 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:34,240 And it's, it's causing is a rift between myself and my mother. 811 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,120 But the thing about it is I don't know what else I need to 812 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,280 do because I'm trying to, I'm trying my very, very best to try 813 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:45,960 and explain to these people that he needs to listen to his son. 814 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,480 I know basically what I'm talking about. 815 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:53,200 And but unfortunately, I think the sugar has gotten too, too. 816 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,360 It's gotten a hold to them too much. 817 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,720 And now and now I have my brother who's I only found out a 818 00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:02,280 week ago he's been diagnosed with cancer. 819 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,840 Oh, I'm. So sorry, either. 820 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,360 And then I put, I put a reel up there last week, something 821 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,200 about, about cancer. And I just basically said that 822 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,000 we can cure it, but we can manage it a lot better. 823 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,920 I mean, Thomas C Fred's speaks about it a lot, that we can 824 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,560 manage it a lot better. And we just, yeah, start the 825 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,640 sugar, get rid of, get rid of the damn problem in the 1st 826 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:26,840 place and let's see what happens. 827 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,760 And so I put a reel up very about a week ago, two weeks ago, 828 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,440 and I was told off everybody this that this was 829 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,800 misinformation, including my brother. 830 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,760 And it got it got nasty on social media. 831 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,280 And I was like, I don't think I can do this. 832 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:43,800 I don't think I can do this. Suppose so. 833 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,800 The thing about it is if you want to have the conversation 834 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,600 with me, have the conversation with me on the phone, let's 835 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,440 discuss this on the phone. Don't do it on social media 836 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,360 because at the end of the day, it doesn't look good. 837 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,960 It doesn't look good. And at the end of the day, none 838 00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,200 of us want to have a fight or have an argument with our 839 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,360 family. I don't want to see any harm 840 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,200 come to my family. You know what I mean? 841 00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,080 I want to do what I want to do whatever it takes to protect 842 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,120 them. But unfortunately, the advice 843 00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,440 that I'm given out, they just don't see it. 844 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:20,320 And that's the problem, unfortunately, just we just have 845 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,840 to just, we just have to like say, well, what can you do? 846 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:28,120 You just have to go along with it and just just say, OK, OK, 847 00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,400 but happens, it happens. And I know the I know eventually 848 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,240 something serious is going to happen and see the problem I 849 00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:38,360 have days, Dave, is because what I know now I'm going to look at 850 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,600 that situation where a lot of regrets. 851 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,320 I'm going to be like, OK, well, I could have dealt with that 852 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,840 situation a lot earlier. Did I try hard enough? 853 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,960 You know what I mean? And that's where I feel like I'm 854 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,120 letting myself down. I'm letting my family down. 855 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,640 But at the same time, if they're not going to listen to me, then 856 00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,640 what can I do? Exactly, but I don't think 857 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,120 you're letting yourself down. You're obviously conscientious. 858 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:03,960 You're saying what could I have more? 859 00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:05,960 Some people just don't say that at all. 860 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,200 They they just attack the other person in even in their own 861 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,880 private. But but, but I'm like you, I 862 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:13,840 don't think what could I have done better? 863 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,840 And and of course that's to do. We, we can improve ourselves. 864 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:20,600 We we can't really improve others. 865 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,240 We can only improve ourselves. 100 percent, 100%. 866 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,080 So final question though, Dave, if someone is listening to this 867 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,560 and they've never heard of Key or, or kind of or ever and 868 00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,480 they're just tuning in for the first time, what, what advice 869 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:38,120 would you get these people? Well, I'd say, yeah, look up 870 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,720 some of these podcasts, do a Google search, you know, say, 871 00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:45,920 Doctor Paul Mason. YouTube will come up with 872 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,160 various videos. Start looking through those 873 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,520 because there will be a lot of evidence clearly and very well 874 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,800 presented. Understandable and you can see 875 00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,680 how much better. See if it makes sense to you and 876 00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:03,240 and then if it does then perhaps look at giving it a go and see 877 00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:06,000 how it affects you. Try it for months. 878 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:11,880 Three months is, is a really good test just to see how you go 879 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,440 and perhaps even do keto for a while first. 880 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,600 Because some people, not all, but some, when they just go 881 00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:25,160 straight carnivore, they go through withdrawals of the sugar 882 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,000 and carbs. So if you go through a thing 883 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,920 where you're cutting the sugar and carbs way down first but not 884 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,000 quite out, then then that lessens that. 885 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,800 And then once you get into fat burning, your body gets more fat 886 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,840 adapted, which is the natural born. 887 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:44,280 That way we spoil that with all the carbohydrates and sugars and 888 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:48,120 so get back into burning fat for energy and then you can go into 889 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,360 carnival without all that. So I'd done Key Keto first and 890 00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:52,520 so I just went around a carnival. 891 00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:53,960 I didn't have any problem at all. 892 00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:56,880 So that would be an easy way to go into it. 893 00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,840 But if you really want the benefits, you don't care if 894 00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,760 you're going to feel unwell for a couple of weeks or so. 895 00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,520 Some people for a week or two weeks or three weeks, they might 896 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,040 not feel well with, they go through those withdrawals, but 897 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,040 they know what they're doing and they don't care about not 898 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:15,560 feeling well. It's going to barrel through and 899 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,120 and then you you get to a point where you just have this 900 00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,000 awakening. Everything's so clear in mind. 901 00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:28,000 You're so clear you'll alive. But so it's just natural. 902 00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,000 It's just real. Oh yeah, It's like, let's just 903 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,760 try. You don't understand what we're 904 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,760 talking about. You really don't. 905 00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:39,200 You look at those podcasts, those some of those YouTube 906 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,840 videos, educate yourself on it a little bit. 907 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,360 Doctor Taif, you did a wonderful presentation in one of the low 908 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,480 carb down under ones. If you look up the real 909 00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:54,280 healthcare crisis causes and solutions, that is also an 910 00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:58,840 excellent presentation and lots of all the preferences listed 911 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,320 and everything. And would you advise jumping 912 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,720 straight into carnivore or would you would you advise easing your 913 00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:07,640 way into it? Well, that's where you need to 914 00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:12,840 have make an educated choice. But if you're really keen, you 915 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,520 know why you're doing it. You can jump straight in because 916 00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:19,160 if you have a bit of a lull of energy for a few weeks and 917 00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:22,160 feeling a little unwell with the withdrawals, but you're still 918 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,280 just going to keep going and then you'll come out of it. 919 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:29,040 Well, otherwise to keto for a couple of months or so and and 920 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:33,600 then switch to full carnival. But keep educating yourself 921 00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,320 because there's a lot of misinformation around. 922 00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,720 So you need to get information and understand it. 923 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,400 You need to get that support and and I haven't got a lot of 924 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:47,600 people supporting me as such, but just continuing to educate 925 00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,520 myself. I'm getting the support for 926 00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:53,160 myself. 100 percent, 100% they Where can people go to find you? 927 00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,200 Well, they can e-mail me on dreally@me.com. 928 00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:02,200 That's really just as one word. Lowercase D Really it's like a 929 00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,160 bit of tongue in cheek humor. So how do you spell your? 930 00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:05,160 How do you spell that second name? 931 00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,760 Really. It's, it's it's really like D 932 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:12,080 for David. Really. 933 00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:13,120 Yeah. Oh. 934 00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:14,200 Oh, really? Oh, yeah. 935 00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:19,280 OK, Yeah. Really DREALY me com. 936 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,520 Perfect. And are you on any platforms 937 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,440 like Facebook or Instagram or anything like that? 938 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:29,320 I don't, I don't do any podcast or or platforms or anything. 939 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,720 I've never gotten social media. I've never felt inclined to. 940 00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,200 Yeah, yeah. I can't imagine myself going 941 00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,600 doing podcast interviews. I don't mind chatting things 942 00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,760 like that, but and talking to people face to face. 943 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,680 But that's just me. I like it. 944 00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:48,320 You're better off. Social media is the devil if you 945 00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,680 ask me. It really is. 946 00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,920 If I had my if I had my choice, I'd be offered today. 947 00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:58,800 I don't like banana at all. Yes, I only use it for work 948 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,160 purposes. That's pretty much it. 949 00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,640 Oh yeah, it can be used for really good purposes and. 950 00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,360 Yeah, yeah. It's just, it's just basically 951 00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,280 to help people out on social media other than that, and I 952 00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,400 call people out as well. But other than that, if I, if I 953 00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,000 wasn't doing that, I wouldn't be on at all. 954 00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,760 I'd rather be. I mean, I was on a farm there 955 00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,720 about two weeks ago and it was just was no, there was no 956 00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:20,400 Internet. It was just peaceful. 957 00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,680 And I was like, I was like, you know, I could live like this the 958 00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:27,080 rest of my life. Now it's lovely to meet you, 959 00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:30,560 Mark, and good to know you. And now I know somebody in 960 00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:31,840 Ireland. I didn't know this before. 961 00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:34,600 You do indeed. What do you do? 962 00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,040 And it's amazing because it's amazing because I'm hearing 963 00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,920 regularly people from Australia are sending me emails watching 964 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,880 this show and I'm like I said it to Victoria there a few weeks 965 00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:47,520 ago. I'm like, this is amazing. 966 00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,640 We had, we had a family, I had a family reach out to me there 967 00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,640 about a month ago and they say every Saturday they watch this 968 00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,280 in their living room as a family. 969 00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,480 Incredible. They're watching me and Victoria 970 00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,960 interview somebody and, and it's, it's on the other side of 971 00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,400 the world. I'm like wow, wow, wow, wow. 972 00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,280 So you're I'm sure your efforts are very much appreciated. 973 00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:13,080 Oh, Dave, it's when you hear things like that and I did. 974 00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:17,960 I was at, I was at my local event there in Cork where I 975 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:19,680 live. It's just up the road for me 976 00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:23,280 like 2 hours. And we put on, we put on a like 977 00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,080 a metabolic health events in Ireland. 978 00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,280 It was the first of the first of its kind. 979 00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,920 It was all of a carnivore. And I walked into the building 980 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,760 and I felt, I felt really, really quiet. 981 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,000 I couldn't wait to do my presentation, couldn't wait. 982 00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,560 But then one of the, one of the speakers came, came in to me and 983 00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:43,440 I was in a different room. And he says to me, there's a 984 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,480 few, there's a, there's a guy outside that's waiting to speak 985 00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,640 to you. He, he what he listens to your 986 00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,040 podcast all the time, Carnivore Evolution. 987 00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,120 And he's after coming all the way from a different county to 988 00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,360 come and listen to you speak at this event. 989 00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,080 So if you felt, if you felt like, if you thought I felt good 990 00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:05,560 walking into the event, I felt 10 feet tall after he spoke to 991 00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,680 me. That's wonderful. 992 00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:09,440 That's really, oh, it's incredible. 993 00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:10,960 It really is. That's what I do for. 994 00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:15,120 It's amazing when I get when I get these messages like yourself 995 00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,520 and other people all over the world's telling me that you're 996 00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,120 listening to the podcast. It's just remarkable, 997 00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,560 remarkable. Yeah, just hearing that makes my 998 00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:24,200 day. Yeah. 999 00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,720 Now I love We'll Get Better and love to see hear these positive 1000 00:52:27,720 --> 00:52:30,880 stories because, you know, I really feel that it really hurts 1001 00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:32,880 me to see people suffering or even to. 1002 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,560 Hear of terrible? Yeah, that's what we that's what 1003 00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,600 we're here for, our day. We're here to make, to make a 1004 00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,560 change. We do these podcasts to spread 1005 00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,960 awareness. We just hope now that the 1006 00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,840 algorithm is on our sides and more people get to see you. 1007 00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:47,720 Hope so, yes. We'll give you a lot bit more 1008 00:52:47,720 --> 00:52:50,560 people a choice, aren't we? Absolutely, absolutely. 1009 00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,200 Well, Dave, I really, really appreciate taking your time. 1010 00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,480 Thank you of your busy evening to come on and speak to me. 1011 00:52:56,560 --> 00:53:00,000 I wish you nothing but the best and we'll stay in touch. 1012 00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:02,520 Great. Thank you, Mark, you take. 1013 00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:03,680 Care. All right, buddy, You look at 1014 00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:04,400 yourself. See you soon. 1015 00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,560 If you get value from this podcast, please hit subscribe, 1016 00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,480 drop a like comment and share this episode. 1017 00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,120 It really helps spread the word on carnivore. 1018 00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:22,520 Want support on the diet? e-mail ennismark93@gmail.com for 1019 00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,280 a free consultation. 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