1 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,040 This is where we're going at the moment and it's not working. 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,160 The system is not working. We say it all the time in this 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,120 podcast. We have a massive health epic 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:17,400 epidemic at the moment. Nobody has a clue how to help 5 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:21,120 address the issue, but we know what we know what we know how to 6 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:22,840 medicate the issue. That's what that's that's the 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,600 difference. Yeah, that was also a big thing, 8 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,320 the lack of understanding of nutrition in the medical world. 9 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,240 I think it's like on average 19 hours in the UK that you get for 10 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,560 medical or for nutrition teaching for to get a medical 11 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,360 degree. And when you then look at the 12 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:47,280 fact that metabolism, it's every cell in your body, it's every 13 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,200 function of your body, every single part of you that keeps 14 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,080 you alive is related to what you eat. 15 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,320 And doctors only get 19 hours of it on average. 16 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,120 It's shocking. That blows my mind. 17 00:00:58,360 --> 00:00:59,680 Yeah, that's. Ridiculous. 18 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,560 And we are live. Welcome to another episode of 19 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:06,360 the Carnivore Evolution podcast. Today we spoke, we welcome Jake, 20 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:10,200 the author of Food is Fake, a nutrition expert with a 21 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,440 background in in metabolism and microbiology. 22 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,720 He speaks a lot about proper nutrition and the carnivore diet 23 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,200 in his his new book. And that's why we have him on 24 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:20,880 here today. Jake, how are you, buddy? 25 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:22,040 Great. Yeah. 26 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:23,320 Thank you for having me on. Really. 27 00:01:23,320 --> 00:01:24,400 No. Problem at all buddy. 28 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,160 So before we start talking everything about carnivore, give 29 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,920 me a little background about you for the background in you first 30 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,760 of all. Yeah, so I was born in England, 31 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:39,840 I grew up around the world, so I think that influenced having a 32 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:44,080 bit of a wider perspective on education, food, culture, 33 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:49,120 everything. And so when I went came back to 34 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,960 Ireland for university, I was in university doing chemical 35 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,080 engineering. And I stopped doing it because I 36 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,960 sort of just didn't. I felt too systemized. 37 00:01:59,960 --> 00:02:04,800 It felt like I was learning. I was learning the wrong way, it 38 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,520 felt like. So I stopped doing that and 39 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,080 started learning independently. My dad had a chronic pain 40 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,360 condition. And so that's why it was all 41 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:16,480 about health and Wellness. And eventually I came to realize 42 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,600 that nutrition is such a huge part of everything. 43 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,320 It seemed to potentially be what could be the answer. 44 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,480 Eventually it was he. He's a lot better now. 45 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:31,600 He's used to perfect now, I suppose in terms of symptoms, 46 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,760 you know, not perfect, of course, but yeah. 47 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,000 And yeah. So I, I continued with 48 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:44,040 nutrition, learned independently for a long time and then got a 49 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:48,200 small nutrition diploma online, a couple certifications. 50 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,920 Now I'm getting into microbiology a bit more deeply, 51 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,200 yeah. And why did you feel you, why 52 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,760 did you feel you need to go in this direction, the kind of our 53 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:01,840 lifestyle compared to what you're what you have been taught 54 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:08,600 in the past? Yeah, for one thing, big vegan 55 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:14,080 just sort of less about. I always knew that meat was 56 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,840 healthy. And one of the big things that 57 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:22,160 started off me into the food corruption thing was Paul 58 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,400 Saladino, or maybe I've heard of him. 59 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:29,320 I don't know, a carnivore guy. And not just carnivore, but 60 00:03:29,640 --> 00:03:34,400 explaining the the ways that vegetables alone can be risky. 61 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:40,520 And that to me, when you add, you know, the big vegan industry 62 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:44,480 with that, nothing against the morality of veganism, but as an 63 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:48,760 industry, the way they do not explain anything about 64 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,720 vegetables, nothing essentially just eat vegetables, that's it. 65 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:58,240 And all of that comes from your 5A day, which is not real. 66 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,600 That's a marketing thing. And, and there's countless 67 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,920 examples of that. And it's you don't really get it 68 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,000 from the meat industry other than, OK, you're killing 69 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:09,800 animals. That's one side when we can talk 70 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,920 about that, sure. But other than that, there's the 71 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:18,800 grain fed issue. The meat is grain fed and other 72 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,640 than that you get the full account of what meat is. 73 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,840 It's it's a pretty standard nutritional thing that we need 74 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,880 dietary fats. When you go into carbohydrates, 75 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:30,680 it gets so much more complicated. 76 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:35,760 And so I feel like that is just such a it's to me, it's probably 77 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,320 one of the biggest things in food corruption, food industry 78 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:43,920 corruption is the plant based diets and the plant based meats. 79 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:48,760 The, it's where most of the industrial processing and you 80 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,440 know, plant milks, things like that, it's where most of it 81 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,480 comes. You don't get obviously you have 82 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,840 curated meats if you're processed meats and all that and 83 00:04:57,840 --> 00:05:00,920 that's a different thing. But nobody on a clone of our 84 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:05,520 diet is really saying go get a pack of, you know, processed 85 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,040 little sausages. They're saying eat a steak, eat 86 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,920 some minced beef that is healthy. 87 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,200 Anything else in the supermarket to me is just unhealthy and most 88 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,640 of it is plant based. Yeah, and the industry is 89 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:20,800 massively corrupted as you as you well know. 90 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,800 That's that's the reason why I stepped away from my coaching 91 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,880 business because I, I was part of that lifestyle for over 30 92 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:28,880 years. I used to coach it that way. 93 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:30,960 I used to coach processed food in moderation. 94 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,360 I was, I was, I was encouraging people to go plant based at one 95 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,280 stage. I was trust me. 96 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,440 So it's amazing, like this is where we're going at the moment 97 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,920 and it's not working. The system is not working. 98 00:05:43,280 --> 00:05:44,960 We say it all the time in this podcast. 99 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,920 We have a massive health epidemic at the moment. 100 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:53,920 Nobody has a clue how to help address the issue, but we know 101 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,120 what we know how to what we know how to medicate the issue. 102 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:57,440 That's what that's that's the difference. 103 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:02,800 Yeah, that was also a big thing, the lack of understanding of 104 00:06:02,840 --> 00:06:07,280 nutrition in the medical world. I think it's like on average 19 105 00:06:07,280 --> 00:06:11,040 hours in the UK that you get from medical or for nutrition 106 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,240 teaching for, to get a medical degree. 107 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:19,000 And when you then look at the fact that metabolism, it's every 108 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,480 cell in your body, it's, it's every function of your body, 109 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,800 every single part of you that keeps you alive is related to 110 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,920 what you eat. And doctors only get 19 hours of 111 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:30,600 it on average. It's shocking. 112 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,120 That blows my mind. Yeah, that's. 113 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:34,440 Ridiculous. Just. 114 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:36,880 Ridiculous. And isn't it amazing that most 115 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,960 of us, when we do get ill, your PTS, your cultures are pushing 116 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,040 you towards these people. So you're the one that's meant, 117 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,000 you're you're the one that that's meant to have the fitness 118 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,160 qualification here. You're meant that you're the one 119 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,240 that's meant to have the nutrition qualification here. 120 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:54,760 But you're sending these people to these doctors that have no 121 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:56,760 experience in this area whatsoever. 122 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:01,680 It becomes frightening. It's the standard after you know 123 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:06,280 the the post clarification of any advice is always, but go 124 00:07:06,280 --> 00:07:08,240 check with your doctor. And it's. 125 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,000 It sends you back. It sends you backwards. 126 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:12,560 You go to your doctor and he says, oh, you got to take these 127 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:14,480 medications. And it's like, well, what 128 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,640 happened to the nutritionist that I was just talking to? 129 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,680 What was the point of that if. Yeah, yeah. 130 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:24,440 And I think that exposes, like you said in, you know, you know, 131 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:28,960 we've talked about it, some of the influencers out there that 132 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:33,200 are just simple coaches, they, it's when I went to figure out 133 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,560 what nutrition diploma I wanted and what certifications I 134 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,440 wanted. It's also quite shocking that 135 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:43,920 how lack how lacking nutrition education is. 136 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,040 If you want to go online and learn about it, you really 137 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,440 can't. There's there's diplomas out 138 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,360 there that are longer and better, but a lot of the stuff 139 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:58,440 that you see in our plant based nutrition certification, a lot 140 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,400 of things are they don't go deep enough at all. 141 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:06,080 And they just, they just repeat regurgitate information from 142 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:10,360 these corrupt science scientists that are bought off and from the 143 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,000 corrupt industry that's feeding this. 144 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:16,760 You know it's. How did you find it? 145 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,680 How did you get to where you are to understanding what you do? 146 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,840 A lot of reading textbooks, I think a lot of people rely on 147 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,360 YouTube videos. That's obviously how I started, 148 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,760 but it still is in a way, regurgitated information. 149 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,159 So you go to the textbooks, you start going through and then you 150 00:08:39,159 --> 00:08:45,520 start seeing in the textbooks as well where they're saying again, 151 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,480 just sort of regurgitating information, especially about 152 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,160 carbohydrates. You know, you need a certain 153 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,160 amount of carbohydrates and then they don't explain why 154 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,920 necessarily. So I would say you have to 155 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:59,600 really get into medical microbiology and then that opens 156 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,880 up a whole world of pathogens and viruses and immunology, 157 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:09,480 which is we think of it in terms of, you know, a cold or a flu or 158 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,120 a virus, things like that. But it not just that it's 159 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,720 cancers, it's inflammations and all of that is related as well. 160 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,600 And so I'm only started learning. 161 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,840 I've been doing maybe three years trying to do microbiology 162 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,600 and then with nutrition maybe 2 years before that. 163 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,400 And I still feel like I'm only scratching the surface with it. 164 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:38,200 So for anyone to sort of quickly hop online and claim that they 165 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:42,120 have the answers to everything, I think is a huge disservice to 166 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:43,600 people. Absolutely. 167 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,800 I'm doing this nine years and every day is a learning day from 168 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:47,320 me. Yeah, yeah, for sure. 169 00:09:47,680 --> 00:09:49,880 You know what I mean? I this is the reason why I get 170 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,640 the likes of you on. I'm going to learn a few things 171 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,440 off yourself today. I would rather do, I've always 172 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,280 said this, I would rather do these podcasts learn from the 173 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,880 people like yourself instead of just watching nonsense all over 174 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:03,640 TV because at least that way I'm learning. 175 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,960 It makes me a better coach when I bring the likes of you on and 176 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:08,920 I listen to what you're talking about because I can. 177 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,520 I can add more value to what I do going forward. 178 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,960 Yeah, yeah, yeah, certainly. Yeah, I'm the same as well. 179 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,000 I, I, it has to be a long form podcast if I'm going to be 180 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:21,320 listening to something to learn it. 181 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,560 It can't just be quick clips and things like that on Instagram. 182 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:27,520 Yeah. And what? 183 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,960 And what if, what, what you've been watching me obviously for 184 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,680 the last couple of days and other kind of our coaches. 185 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:35,960 What, what, what have you taken from it? 186 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:40,520 Have you learned anything new? Yeah, that you haven't like 187 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:42,840 learned from. Before, yeah. 188 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:47,760 So I've always known that loosely known that carbohydrates 189 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,960 are not necessary. It's, it gets thrown around. 190 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,120 It's, it's more of a recent thing that people talk about. 191 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:58,280 And I, from the people that I heard it from IA lot of the 192 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,600 stuff that I learned, I, I learned it just for myself, not 193 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,320 necessarily to go in and teach it. 194 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,960 And then as I, as I realized how shocking the food industry is, 195 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,400 I, I felt I have to say something, you know, I got to 196 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,920 try and put this out to people. And so now I'm trying to relearn 197 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:13,880 it to like, so I can explain it back. 198 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:18,880 And so the, I can't remember when I first heard it, but the 199 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,520 carbohydrates, obviously, I know they're not healthy in a lot of 200 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,560 ways. And now I'm hearing that maybe 201 00:11:24,560 --> 00:11:27,000 you don't even need them at all. And the person I heard that from 202 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,680 I trusted. And so I didn't look into it too 203 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:32,320 much. And now and I know of 204 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:38,040 gluconeogenesis and that it's, I always knew that when you're 205 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,200 doing fasting, it's, there's a benefit there and you can switch 206 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,680 into that. And I always had it as you 207 00:11:44,680 --> 00:11:47,240 probably still need some carbohydrates, you probably need 208 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:50,000 a decent amount of fruit and things like that was a little 209 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:54,440 bit haphazard with it almost. And now since I've seen you 210 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:58,680 putting those two together, I've looked more into how 211 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,560 gluconeogenesis can be used, not just as you know, and here's 212 00:12:02,560 --> 00:12:05,160 here's something in textbooks that often use the terms 213 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:10,120 starvation for it when OK, fair enough. 214 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,200 Maybe it's a scientific term if you want to put it like that, 215 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,320 OK, But it's not a neutral term for society. 216 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,480 Starvation. It's that's that has a lot of 217 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,280 weight to it. Fasting is appropriate way to 218 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:24,040 say it. And so I would have gone into it 219 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:28,360 thinking, you know, OK, this is sort of a last minute energy 220 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,920 reserve sort of thing. But now you're now looking into 221 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:33,520 it. You could just increase your fat 222 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:40,000 intake. I think you probably need a 223 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:44,200 little bit of carbohydrates, but I think when we say a little bit 224 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:48,120 of carbohydrates, you know, primates would have been or 225 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:52,120 earlier humans would have been chewing a carrot or like a bite 226 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,320 of a carrot or almost half the day. 227 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,040 So when you go, OK, are you only need a little bit of 228 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,920 carbohydrates, Does that mean 3 bananas? 229 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:04,680 No, that means potentially just one cut of tiny bit of carrots. 230 00:13:04,680 --> 00:13:07,960 Chop that up with your mince. Or you can get them from animal 231 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,920 proteins like. Eggs a carb. 232 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:12,520 Yeah, as. Well, yeah. 233 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:14,280 Meat. Meat has carbs too. 234 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,400 Negligible, but if any quantity you're getting. 235 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,920 Exactly that, that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's, 236 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:21,800 that's even further. Yeah. 237 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,840 You, you put out the carbohydrate all together and 238 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,480 just take it from the meat, put out the vegetables. 239 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,440 Sorry. Yeah. 240 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:32,800 That that's something I want to look more into. 241 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:37,160 How much goes into your reserves and the liver, you know, things 242 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:44,440 like that. Yeah, it's made me for sure a 243 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,960 lot more carnivore in a way, just over the last week. 244 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,600 Also, a lot of a lot of the things that you get that are 245 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:57,360 potentially the benefits of certain vegetables would be from 246 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,360 things like small cuts of spring onions. 247 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:03,040 Whereas you'd be told, oh, you want to get lots of sweet potato 248 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,000 for your carbs. And someone would think, OK, but 249 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,840 if I need to get carbs, I need to get my sweet potatoes. 250 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,480 The carbs, OK, you're breaking down carbs. 251 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:18,520 It becomes part of your part of who you are, part of what makes 252 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,680 up your body. But there's more that comes with 253 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:27,400 it. And I think like you say, you 254 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:33,720 get the carbs you need from the meat gluconeogenesis and maybe 255 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:38,080 that is plenty, Maybe, I don't know, plenty, but enough to keep 256 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:42,520 your reserves up, I don't know. The way I see it is, and Jake, 257 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,640 what, who, what are we? We're a, we're apex predators. 258 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,600 When you look at our food supply, I've always said that 259 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,920 when you look at what our ancestors eat, first of all, 260 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:53,920 there would have been days where they wouldn't have been eaten 261 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,760 meat every day. Some days they would have 262 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:57,880 fasted. Some days they would have, yeah, 263 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:01,360 they would have maybe snacked on vegetation just for survival, 264 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:06,720 But 95% of the diet was meat because you need, you don't need 265 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,080 to look at the Ice Age. What would it consume in the in 266 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:13,360 the ice ages? Yeah, you show me where a plant 267 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,800 tree is. Or a fruit tree isn't even in 268 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:16,800 Canada. You. 269 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:20,920 Go yeah, yes, I'm saying you go to Canada and you and you and 270 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:25,320 you try and find me like a fruit tree or a you know, I mean a 271 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,080 vegetable tree. So that's what I'm saying. 272 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,120 That's that, that's the reason why I asked you the question. 273 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,840 Do you feel like you've learned anything going forward? 274 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,560 Because you have me in the industry that says you don't 275 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,800 need any carbohydrate, your body can run perfectly well on 276 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,040 gluconeogenesis. But then you have other people 277 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,560 in the carnivore space that are telling you that you can eat 278 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:46,320 carbohydrates. So we have this divide at the 279 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,080 moment. So that's what I'm trying to 280 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:49,200 say. Have you, do you feel like you 281 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,800 learn anything at the moment or do you feel like I'm, I'm a 282 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:53,480 little bit confused. I'm still confused about 283 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:53,960 nutrition. A. 284 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:59,680 Little bit confused, to be honest about the I I understand 285 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:04,400 it in principle, you know, like the that it, yeah, I understand 286 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:11,440 that it's possible and that it's, it's, it's not even just 287 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:12,720 possible, but it's not unhealthiness. 288 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:16,080 It's it'll, it'll sustain you perfectly fine. 289 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:17,840 It can be an alternative in a way. 290 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,440 I also consider a metabolic switch going back and forth a 291 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:28,600 little bit like you said, but you know, hunter gatherers, they 292 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,440 would have had a bit of berries on the way as they're hunting, 293 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,040 as they're stalking an animal or whatever. 294 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:35,840 A bit of honey, a bit of raw honey if they can find it, but 295 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:40,160 it just fresh. They wouldn't be eating seeds, 296 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:41,840 grains, things like that, that kind of stuff. 297 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,120 They wouldn't be. Eating sweet potatoes grown or 298 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:46,600 coca puffs. Yeah. 299 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:53,160 Jake, Jake, in your book, in your book, you describe so many 300 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,600 aspects of eating and and modern food. 301 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,000 Could you go over a little bit for, for us and our audience of 302 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,320 what topics you cover in your book Food is Fake? 303 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:09,280 Yeah, the, the core part of it or the, the big idea I want 304 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,160 people to take away is that it's not just ultra processed. 305 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:17,960 We kind of think of, we think it's the snacks, the candy bars, 306 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:19,119 all of that, that's the bad stuff. 307 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:20,760 And then you just get a chicken breast and you're fine. 308 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:23,880 Or you just get fruits and vegetables and you're fine. 309 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:29,320 And there's no, there's no nuance to that discussion of any 310 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,280 of it, really. Yeah. 311 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:36,640 And there's multiple layers down that it goes in terms of what is 312 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:40,360 the animal fed, what is the quality of that feed exactly? 313 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:44,880 You know, a grain fed animal generally I'm advising against. 314 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,360 But there's even quality differences in the grains, you 315 00:17:48,360 --> 00:17:52,560 know? And so there's just no 316 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,400 standardization that you have no way to tell in the supermarket 317 00:17:55,400 --> 00:18:00,560 what you're eating, really. And yeah, so the point is it I 318 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,240 only have one chapter about ultra processed foods. 319 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:07,040 The rest of it is the regular raw chicken breast that you pick 320 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,720 up, a regular steak that you get, even the ones with the nice 321 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,440 branded names and all that. It's still grain fed. 322 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:20,880 Grain fed is a huge part of it. It's explains, you know, how 323 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,400 that impacts the animal's fat and then how that impacts your 324 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:27,920 fat because you're consuming it. That fat goes into the membranes 325 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,680 of all your cells and it's just increasing inflammation signals 326 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:36,520 everywhere. It talks about honey. 327 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:41,400 There's raw honey and then pure honey, organic, you want raw 328 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,240 honey. Anything else is essentially 329 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:49,360 heated to some degree and that releases arms or byproducts. 330 00:18:49,360 --> 00:18:50,840 And that's a huge thing no one ever says. 331 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:56,440 And that you know, when, when, when even dietitians, you know, 332 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,440 but especially doctors all the time will say don't eat honey 333 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:03,600 because of insulin problems. But insulin sensitivity issues 334 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,760 can come from the inflammatory signaling problems. 335 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:11,000 And so is it an issue of honey or is it an issue of process 336 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:12,640 honey? It's an issue of process honey, 337 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,160 not raw honey. And you see that clearly in, in 338 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,240 data that raw honey does not have the same effect. 339 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,560 There's nuts, seeds, all, all of the things people consider as 340 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,200 healthy snacks. The nuts are going to be seed 341 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,240 oil ridden. There's loads of seed oils in 342 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,160 them. And even if they're not, they're 343 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,400 they're not going to be pan roasted soaked overnight. 344 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,840 All this, this part of the reason I mentioned that I grew 345 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,920 up around the world is that I grew up in Asia and you learn a 346 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:49,840 lot about traditional methods of cooking and why they do it even 347 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:54,080 in Western culinary things. I can't explain the details of 348 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,480 this, I forgot it, but a Sunnyside up egg. 349 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,680 The reason why everyone kind of generally likes a Sunnyside up, 350 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,800 or why it's got a whole name for a why it's marketed the way it 351 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,440 was, is that it is the healthier version because you leave the 352 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,120 yellow fat untouched in the yolk. 353 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,880 And you cook the the whites and if you don't cook the whites 354 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,040 that can be harmful. But if you cook the yellow too 355 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,000 much that's you don't get the benefits kind of are. 356 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:24,560 You eating for raw foods then? No, not, certainly not fully, 357 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:29,960 definitely not raw vegetables. All vegetables you need to cook, 358 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:34,240 and not all in the same way. So like broccoli, you want to 359 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,560 steam it. That'll kill off the defense 360 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,640 chemicals but also retain a lot of the nutrients. 361 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:46,040 Whereas if you just fry broccoli or any brassicas kind of 362 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,840 vegetables, they're going to harden and so and the heat isn't 363 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,760 actually going to be able to get inside and kill all the defense 364 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,960 chemicals inside because of this hardened barrier outside. 365 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,200 So you want to steam it, but if you boil it too hard, you're 366 00:20:58,200 --> 00:20:59,400 going to kill off all the nutrients. 367 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:00,720 It's going to be kind of a waste. 368 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:06,080 And so, yeah, whereas like I said, with nuts, things like 369 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,960 that, you don't just, you know, you don't just eat, you dry 370 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,560 them, you pan roast them. You do a lot of different things 371 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:15,560 with them, legumes, and there's a whole different range of 372 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,960 things that you have to do for different vegetables that is 373 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:22,480 just never discussed. To prevent it from being toxic. 374 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:23,560 Yeah. Yeah. 375 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,600 What happened? How do you feel about this week 376 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,080 has been the Instagram especially has been loaded with 377 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,760 all kinds of posts about laboratory grown foods. 378 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:37,800 We have released in the United States where I am laboratory 379 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,040 produced meats and they even have a brand name for it. 380 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,480 Perfecto was the name. There's laboratory grown fish. 381 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:51,280 It's currently salmon, but tuna and eel coming up behind it. 382 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:55,800 And then also in cheeses. We have almost 100% of the 383 00:21:55,800 --> 00:22:00,280 market is flooded with laboratory grown rennet to to 384 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,840 coagulate the cheese. How did you cover that in your 385 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,720 book at all, and how do you feel about that? 386 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:09,040 Funny enough, no, a lot of that stuff, I started seeing it just 387 00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:12,360 just as I was writing a book and I thought I got too much. 388 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,800 And I also considered that part of the whole ultra process 389 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,560 thing. My thing going into this with 390 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,040 the book was that the introduction talks about a 391 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,480 person going into a supermarket trying to buy the healthy 392 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,440 things. So I'm spending a little bit 393 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:31,160 extra to get the real food, you know, and they're being tricked. 394 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:35,280 I I'm in a way I kind of leave behind the people that are 395 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,520 already that are going to be eating candy bars or eating 396 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,840 ultra processed already because I would imagine most people get 397 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:46,000 that by now. But the lab grown thing, I also 398 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:50,640 kind of wished I had been able to put it in I but I don't know 399 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,720 a lot about it to be honest. Yeah, yeah. 400 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,160 It'll be something I have to learn about as well because it's 401 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,400 I was saying this to a friend recently. 402 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,800 It's, it's almost a bit overwhelming at times because 403 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,480 their technology of how they're processing things is, you know, 404 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,360 you got to catch up to it. I almost. 405 00:23:06,360 --> 00:23:09,280 But when you see where we're going, but we sorry Jake, sorry 406 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,360 for interrupting you, but we see where we're, when you see where 407 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:14,360 we're going now, that's the direction we've been pointed in. 408 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,120 We've been pointed in the direction of eating like fake 409 00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:19,240 food because we've been pushed towards processed food. 410 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,520 Because you look at what's going on the world at the moment, 411 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,000 everybody's financially struggling. 412 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,760 Like when you look at like the, the food that we're eating, it's 413 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,600 extremely expensive. But when you look at like 414 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,560 processed food, it's extremely cheap. 415 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,200 Same plant based food as well. Like it's like you go in, you 416 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:39,120 look at these plant based burgers, they're yeah, they're, 417 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,720 they're fractions of of like me. Like if you look, I don't know 418 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,760 about where you are, but from where where I am, the price 419 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,640 difference between a like a beef burger and a plant based burger 420 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,600 is extraordinary, absolutely extraordinary. 421 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,720 You're looking at building nearly five, £6 in the 422 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,480 difference. It's crazy. 423 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,560 Yeah, but so you know what I mean, I would get a plant based 424 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,360 option at a fast food base because it's cheaper. 425 00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:03,400 You know when I was like. Exactly, that's what I'm saying. 426 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,440 And that's what I'm saying. People are going to be pushed 427 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,000 towards that because they're like, well, first of all, I 428 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,120 can't afford, I can't afford to live that life. 429 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,120 I need to look after my health. So the doctors and the and the 430 00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:17,200 nutritionists are telling me that I have a go plan based, I'm 431 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,640 going to be healthy, but they have no idea what's in the back 432 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,640 of these products. That's what we're not. 433 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,080 And like you mentioned with the seed oils I've always like, we 434 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,400 we're strong advocates of like, like sugar should be eliminated 435 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,040 from the body. But seed oils? 436 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,400 Jesus Christ, they're undeniable horrendous. 437 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,960 Yeah. They last in the body for years. 438 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,800 The damage from seed oils is is unbelievable. 439 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:40,600 One meal last years. Yeah. 440 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,440 Yeah. Crazy. 441 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,720 So it's like, it's like people are being brainwashed into it's 442 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,240 all about control. This is what it is. 443 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,000 It's all about they, they have control of you because they know 444 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,360 that you're, you're in a vulnerable situation at the 445 00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:55,520 moment. You have to eat. 446 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,320 You're not going to you're not going to starve. 447 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,360 So we have, we have this, we have the solution for you or 448 00:25:00,360 --> 00:25:02,200 sorry, we have the we have the food for you. 449 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,040 And then when you become sick, which is what's going to happen, 450 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,200 don't worry, we're going to have the solution for you. 451 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,440 Yeah, medicine, it's. Sickening. 452 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:15,200 It's actually sickening. Yeah, and it's, it's not just on 453 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,440 that front as well, for obviously the financial thing is 454 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,480 a huge part of a really disgusting part of it. 455 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:26,880 But also I feel bad for vegans because they are, I think some 456 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,200 of them go for this virtue signaling and this and that. 457 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,800 And then some of them are genuinely just like, oh man, I 458 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,160 don't kind of kill the animals. And they see what happens in the 459 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,440 chicken farming, They see what happens in the industrial 460 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,080 farming. And they think that's what it 461 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,720 all is and they're marketed and they're pushed to think that's 462 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,400 what it is because there is, you know, a vegan propaganda thing. 463 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,320 And that also kind of makes you go, OK, well, then maybe I 464 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,400 should think about carnivore. Because if, if, if they're 465 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,680 they're clearly trying to take away meat in a way, you know, 466 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,040 you know, the, the pea protein and beef and beef. 467 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,560 Now that is shocking to see that. 468 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,760 In a supermarket, yeah, mixing that in is just that's 469 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,880 horrendous that that new. Product. 470 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,960 I mean the bio ability alone, it's just just it's crazy. 471 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,440 It's like, you know, I mean you're getting all 20 amino 472 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,360 acids in in protein, you're getting that nowhere near that 473 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,920 in a fan base that you would have to eat a lot of plants to 474 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,920 get the same nutritional value and the the. 475 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,360 Marketing of it, the labeling, the wording is is so deceptive. 476 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,720 It's just pea protein. You know, it would, it would 477 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,040 make some vegan bodybuilder go in there and obviously it's part 478 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,880 beef, but it was a fully pea protein minced beef, maybe fake 479 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,360 one. It goes in thinking that all 480 00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:47,880 this is just peas, but it's, it's, it's extracted, you know, 481 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,840 pea oil juice. It's not pea. 482 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,000 It's not, it's not even close to a pea. 483 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:58,040 And yeah, it's just a huge disservice. 484 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,080 The people that are, you know, like I said, someone going in 485 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,000 specifically for the protein, not even a vegan bodybuilder, 486 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,800 but just a bodybuilder going in is going to think on this men's 487 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,600 beef, oh, it's got more protein. Perfect. 488 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,200 And it's just completely lied to. 489 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,840 Big food is creating that whole situation where they're putting 490 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:20,320 pressure on the small farmers to produce at high rates and 491 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,200 cheaper. And then at the same time 492 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:23,400 they're telling you, oh, we don't. 493 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,240 Meat is expensive. Eat this protein and the the lab 494 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,920 grown meat and fish is all soy based. 495 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,560 So it's it's just they're just absolutely manipulating the 496 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,160 whole system. I just find the whole thing 497 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,400 remarkably. I'm, I, I touched on this in the 498 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,800 last couple of days and because I've been, I've been saying it 499 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,880 on the last on a couple of reels. 500 00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:49,680 I mean, what did nature give us? Nature gave us protein and fat. 501 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,560 When you look at where we are at the moment, we're talking about 502 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,000 we're we're talking about plant based, we're talking about 503 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,680 supplements, we're talking about lean protein. 504 00:27:58,120 --> 00:27:59,840 So this is where we're going at the moment. 505 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:03,600 Processed bars, protein bars, everything. 506 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,280 I mean, you look at bread, for example, it's it will say 507 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,880 protein on it. Yeah, wraps. 508 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,520 It will say protein on it. Most brands now you walk into a 509 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:18,280 shop, there's 40% of what you will see on the shop market. 510 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,280 Now on the shelves is protein. So. 511 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,360 Protein, coffee, protein, exactly. 512 00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:27,880 Everything, everything is everything is like protein. 513 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,760 Biscuits, protein bars, It's everywhere. 514 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,360 It's it's in your face, literally. 515 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,240 And that's what we're getting sucked into. 516 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:35,920 We're getting sucked into this Cray. 517 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,440 Is that OK? If it has protein on it, it's 518 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,040 going to be healthy for me. It's going to be good for me. 519 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,760 I was saying this when I was in the airport a few months ago. 520 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,600 I was in this, I was in this cafeteria and it says on it says 521 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,160 when you walk in this is this is a healthy store. 522 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,440 So I was like, OK, I'll walk in. Processed food everywhere, bars 523 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,720 of chocolate everywhere. Has protein on it so it must be 524 00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,040 healthy. Yeah, you know. 525 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,760 What I mean, it's just, you know, it's marking nonsense, 526 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,160 something I. Talk about in the book is a 527 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:11,040 organic is the maybe one of the biggest RIP offs label wise 528 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,240 organic. It means nothing for ethics for 529 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,320 one thing, you know, fair trade, things like that. 530 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,320 It used to mean something fair trade back in the day, but now 531 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,960 it's just, you know, it's just a label and it means nothing as 532 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:31,280 well for if it's actually pesticide free or all of these 533 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:36,320 labels. They are, they're based on 534 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,480 thresholds. You know, if you reach a certain 535 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,080 amount or if you're sorry, if you're under a certain amount, 536 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,800 you're organic, you're good. There's still a certain amount. 537 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,880 There's they're not organic. They're not they, they get 538 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,720 different pesticides that don't get to be classed as or, you 539 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,440 know, that aren't on the list of non organic. 540 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:54,840 So they're still considered organic. 541 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:58,880 Yeah. It's it's shocking. 542 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:05,440 It's I feel so, so bad for people that there's people that 543 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,240 don't care about their health. That's one thing, you know, I 544 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,840 feel bad for them as well because they don't they don't 545 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:15,520 know why and they're probably struggling a lot and there's but 546 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,320 then there's people out care about their health a lot and 547 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,440 make a lot of healthy decisions and there's just so misled. 548 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,560 Yeah, and speaking hard to. Do. 549 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,240 I. Do when you address this in your 550 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,400 book that even what's considered a safe limit, that if a 551 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:35,440 government announces that so many particles per million is OK 552 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,000 for you to eat, they never say what the impact of that is on 553 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,840 the human body. Yeah, yeah. 554 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,960 And a lot of that is based on lobbying as well of outside 555 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,480 parties manipulating what these set the thresholds at. 556 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,240 So they, you know, they have a certain incentive to keep 557 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,120 thresholds low to keep or high that, you know, whichever way he 558 00:30:56,120 --> 00:31:00,040 goes. Water, for example, water, you 559 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,880 know, if you look up anywhere online, they'll say, yeah, it's 560 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,440 under the threshold, it's under the limit. 561 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:09,000 But those thresholds often are based on research that talks 562 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:14,360 about short term issues, what is never discussed because you 563 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:15,720 can't obtain it. In a way, because 564 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,640 industrialization was so recent, a lot of these new technologies 565 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:24,680 and processing machineries and systems are all so recent that 566 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,720 the you couldn't even have had the timeline to do proper long 567 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:36,440 term experimentation. And so they're based on and real 568 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,040 scientists know that, the people up in governments know that. 569 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,800 And so they're, they're, they're setting it on, you know, signs 570 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:49,280 that it just sort of suits what, what helps them keep putting 571 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,920 this in the water, you know? Well, you're clearly, you're 572 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,400 clearly passionate, Jake. Why did you feel like you needed 573 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,720 to come on a podcast like this and share your and share the 574 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:05,120 message? I think my family has always 575 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,760 been quite health orientated, my dad especially, and I got it 576 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:16,440 from my dad and I, my dad was into the, you know, raw blended 577 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,680 juices and all of that carrot, you know, every vegetable under 578 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,560 the sun into a blender and assumed that was healthy. 579 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,960 And looking back, there's almost like a bit of a personal 580 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:34,240 vendetta. I also, I've got a bit of a 581 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:40,440 strong belief system and I just don't like that the truth is so 582 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:46,360 misconstrued and not even just abused and torn apart really. 583 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,560 And yeah, I just feel bad for all the different types of 584 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,840 people that are out there trying to people struggling with 585 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,320 conditions that if they knew about this stuff, they could at 586 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,680 least help the symptoms. People who don't, who are going 587 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,720 to develop conditions because of this generations down the line, 588 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,200 we're not even seeing the full impact yet. 589 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,200 Yeah, yeah. I don't know. 590 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:19,560 I just I just I, I just can't help but care about this big lie 591 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,000 I suppose. I'm the same as you, Jake. 592 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,880 I mean, I'm in this for the right reasons myself. 593 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,320 I'm in this for a personal than that situation myself because I 594 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,200 had a situation myself a couple of years ago where I lost loved 595 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,240 ones. And this is what really, really 596 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,200 frustrates me. I want to hear people talk about 597 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,920 it's, it's just a fad. It's just another diet. 598 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,080 I'm like, listen, you have no idea what you're talking about. 599 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,120 You've no idea you've no, I only did a video on this today. 600 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,520 There are people in the world that are changing their lives. 601 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,400 We've interviewed well over 400 people now at this stage on this 602 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,320 podcast. And I'm like, holy shit. 603 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,560 Like, if you're not, if you're not, if you're not awake, if 604 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,920 you're not actually listening to this, there's something 605 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,160 seriously wrong with you because it's, it's remarkable. 606 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,640 We've had over 400 go on to Dave Mack. 607 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,280 Dave Mack has over had has over 2000s like it's, it's insane. 608 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,560 You type in kind of or on your computer, just type it in kind 609 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,880 of our transformations. Thousands, thousands. 610 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,560 And you're talking about, you're talking about you're talking 611 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,159 about stories that you're saying to yourself. 612 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,560 There's no way. There's no way in hell. 613 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,000 Just. These are conditions, sorry, 614 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,440 these are conditions as well that previously were kind of 615 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,120 unexplained. You know, there's no, there's no 616 00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:33,159 'cause we don't know what it is. You just take these medications 617 00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:36,080 and symptoms. Now we there's not much else out 618 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,520 there other than a carnivore diet to give it a try for people 619 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,440 that are struggling with autoimmune conditions, with 620 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,239 diabetes, with lots of different things, people struggling coming 621 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,159 up to cancer, fasting, things like that. 622 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,560 Taking these things seriously and really learning about not, 623 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,639 not just as you say as a diet or whatever, but as genuine medical 624 00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:57,000 practice when people start looking at nutrition like that 625 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,960 and a carnivore diet. Because, like you say, there's 626 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:03,160 plenty of unbiased, genuine evidence to show that people are 627 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,520 changing the lives of the corner of a diet. 628 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,920 Yeah, yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, 629 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,360 if it wasn't when you look at what carnivore is doing, no, 630 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,880 like you said, no other diets doing what carnivores done 631 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:22,120 because we're going by all the experts advice, we're listening 632 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,800 to the ex we're eating. We were eating the fiber, we 633 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,080 were eating the carbohydrates, we were eating the processed 634 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,680 food in moderation. We were doing everything that 635 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,920 they told us to do. You know, I mean, we're in a 636 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,840 calorie deficit. And if there's if they're saying 637 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,360 to us that you didn't do this absolutely nonsense. 638 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,320 Because at the end of the day, we hear people all the time. 639 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,960 I'm doing what you're telling me to do, but I'm still struggling. 640 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,360 But but the coach will blame you to say that you're you're not 641 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:47,920 putting the work in. How do you know that I'm putting 642 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,480 the work in Hell? How do you know? 643 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,960 So everybody is pretty much doing, everybody's doing what 644 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,840 what what we've been told. Because I used to be like this, 645 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,840 Jake. I used to get the feedback from 646 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,080 the client when people used to get back to me and say, Mark, 647 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,080 you have me in a calorie deficit, but I'm still not 648 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,160 losing weight. I used to be like, you're not in 649 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,320 a calorie deficit. There's no way you're in a 650 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,600 calorie deficit. So I used to, I used to put the 651 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,720 blame on to them. I used to blame them for my 652 00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:16,440 actions. But now I look back at that and 653 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,640 I've said this many, many times, I'm ashamed of that, of doing 654 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,280 that because I didn't know. I didn't know what the problem 655 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,760 was. I hadn't got a clue. 656 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,880 Now I know how to address yes, now, now I know how to address 657 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,080 the issue. And I think now since I've 658 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,720 gotten into carnivore space, I'm doing a lot more listening to 659 00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:37,680 the clients. You know, I'm not going by, I'm 660 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,720 not going off what I know because what I know doesn't 661 00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:43,160 work. That sit the food system that I 662 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,880 was taught is bullshit, absolute bullshit. 663 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:50,320 So I have to listen to them if they're saying to me I'm hungry 664 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,760 all the time, I have regular cravings. 665 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,800 Instead of ignoring that and telling them that this is a lack 666 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,120 of willpower, maybe I should look a little bit deeper into 667 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,960 this, look up the role of insulin, look up the role of 668 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,600 leptin, and maybe I can actually figure this out myself and 669 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,080 explain this to the clients because that's where we're going 670 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:10,920 at the moment. Nobody understands this. 671 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,040 Nobody understands this on the Internet. 672 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,480 Only a part, a few of them in the kind of our space. 673 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:21,160 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's nobody in society knows it, 674 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:22,480 you know what I mean? It's. 675 00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:30,400 Yeah, I mean, it's, it's it goes back to corrupt scientists and 676 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,440 has come all the way into medical textbooks. 677 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:41,640 You know what I mean? Yeah, it leaves me, but speech 678 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,480 was almost sometimes. It is honestly, it's remarkable. 679 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,560 It's remarkable that these are meant, these are meant to be the 680 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,640 people that we look up to. If you're if you're obese, 681 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,120 you're told to go and see APT. Yeah. 682 00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:59,960 Now, what's the PTS advice? Low calorie diets, low, low fat 683 00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:02,600 diets. Train, train often in the gym. 684 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,960 We do this. If that's the case and that, and 685 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,280 that's how it works, we wouldn't have a National Obesity crisis 686 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,040 right now because. Because when you look at Oprah 687 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,760 Winfrey, yeah, she's one of the most powerful women in the world 688 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,320 right now. She could have any PT, any 689 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,480 coach, any dietitian looking at or we're I'm pretty sure she 690 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,640 did. How come none of them could 691 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,280 could sort out or organize issues? 692 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,400 Yeah, none of them. Yeah, and she's not the only 693 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,080 one. We have Serena Williams, a 694 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,960 tennis player. We have many, many celebrities 695 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,520 now that are. Coming out of the same. 696 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,200 Yeah, they're like what I you know what I say? 697 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,920 Yeah, if. You look at anyone that goes 698 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,920 carnivore or that is carnivore, that is a sort of similar vibe 699 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,000 of, you know, they have money, they have a dietitian, isn't 700 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,360 that? And they're carnivore. 701 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,680 It's a whole opposite thing. They're the high, the best 702 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,200 athletes, they're the top of their game. 703 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,720 That you know what it was the football player, Norwegian 704 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,480 football player. Yeah. 705 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,280 Yeah, yeah. I mean, and you know, I, I can't 706 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,400 remember who the actor is as well someone vaguely but 707 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,800 something recently an actor same thing with his with his 708 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,240 nutritionist right there next to him playing the carnivore diet 709 00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:15,080 and then he's on vast difference to Oprah Winfrey to any of the 710 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,520 plant based advocates that I see. 711 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,920 So. I'll give you another storage. 712 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,680 I'll give you another storage. I can, I'll actually take it in 713 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,520 the video. I did this a couple of months 714 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,680 ago and this guy is a is a is a bodybuilder. 715 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,360 He's a fitness trainer. He has remarkable results, 716 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,400 remarkable results. But he put up this video about 717 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,320 about six or seven months ago and he was talking about, he was 718 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,640 there playing down the role of processed food in the diet. 719 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,960 And I said to my said, listen, because he was focusing on the 720 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,600 calorie aspect, he was like, OK, well all calories are equal as 721 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,160 long as you lose weight. He thought that once you lose 722 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,920 weight, you're healthy. And I said, listen, this is 723 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,320 going to catch up on you eventually. 724 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:59,040 Not only are you on steroids, we are consuming a lot of processed 725 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:00,960 food. And I can promise you now, 726 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:05,160 because this will catch up on you and you may end up having a 727 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,960 heart attack. Four months later, the guy had a 728 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,440 heart attack. Wow, there you go. 729 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,000 Boy, that was four months before I actually, I reached out to him 730 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,440 and I'll send you that video. I'll send you that video after 731 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,000 this, after this one. Watch it. 732 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,520 Four months ago, prior to him having a heart attack, I gave 733 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,080 him simple advice and he ignored it. 734 00:40:23,720 --> 00:40:26,240 Ignored it. Yeah, that's what that's what 735 00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:29,520 we're up against because we are convinced that doesn't matter 736 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:34,800 where you were with your calories, we all think that once 737 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,760 you're in a calorie deficit, you lose weight. 738 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:41,040 We have never ever once denied that's never, I have never once 739 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,720 denied that. But the type of food that we eat 740 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,960 mattress way more than the calorie model. 741 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:48,600 Absolutely. Yeah, Yeah. 742 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,160 You know what I mean? That's what we need to look at. 743 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,320 That's why hormones run the body here, not calories. 744 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:55,880 We're not we're not steroids with the. 745 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,680 Steroids. That's not going to mix good, 746 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:00,680 no. It's not going to mix good. 747 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:08,760 And steroids hormonally and inflammation is yeah, yeah, the 748 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,800 ultra process, I hear that a lot. 749 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,160 The you know, as long as you just get your calories right, 750 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:19,600 ultra process doesn't matter. And that is a huge part as well 751 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,600 of why I want to go further into studying microbiology and really 752 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,360 getting as deep as you possibly can with everything because, 753 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,840 yeah, OK, Well, sure, part of it is true. 754 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,280 But then if you don't go deeper and understand the 755 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:38,000 micronutrients and not just that, but the the harmful side 756 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,320 of it, all the, you know, solvents used for seed oils and 757 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,280 things like that, and the what these extracts do, what are most 758 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:48,800 supplies do in the body, the defense chemicals and vegetables 759 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,920 and all that as well. And you know, if you're taking 760 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,120 these AG 1 raw greens, I mean that. 761 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,480 Andrew. Huberman will be putting that 762 00:41:58,480 --> 00:41:59,800 up. You know the biggest? 763 00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:02,760 Doctors. In the world and that shocks me 764 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,480 a lot because you learn a lot from someone like Andrew 765 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,320 Huberman, but then at the same time, AG one, it's shocking. 766 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,480 It's crazy to watch him here. Yeah, yeah. 767 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,440 And people, you know, sure AG 1 is going to be probably low 768 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:21,760 calories, but it's also a huge, it's not about calories, about 769 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,120 the smallest tiny little molecules, they weigh nothing. 770 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,840 They're the ones that kill you. And it's signaling in your body. 771 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,440 It's not even necessary. A lot of that will get wasted 772 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:36,360 out of the body, but it leaves messages in the body that makes 773 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,000 your, you know, the the chemicals that were already 774 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,760 there, the compounds already in your body do different things 775 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,000 than they're meant to do, you know, So it's not even about the 776 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,360 calories staying in you or being there or any of that. 777 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:47,680 It's. Yeah. 778 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,640 And sure, you know, body composition and stuff is 779 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,760 important for sure for and short term and long term health, but 780 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,560 what's more important is not having poison inside you. 781 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,760 Exactly. You know so. 782 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,080 But when you but when you look at this time of the year, Jake, 783 00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:04,880 OK, we're going through the winter time now, it's going to 784 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,760 get a lot colder and this is going to be flu season for us. 785 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:08,680 Yeah. Yeah. 786 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,440 Now the one thing you will hear in the kind of or outside the 787 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,720 kind of our space is that we're not getting enough vitamin C on 788 00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:16,480 the carnivore diet is going to lead the scurvy. 789 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,400 Now think about this for a second. 790 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,640 I've been doing this for nine years, Nine years. 791 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,760 I haven't had the flu once in that nine years. 792 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:25,880 Yeah. Not once. 793 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:26,880 Yeah. No, I haven't. 794 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:28,920 That's it. I haven't had any vitamin C 795 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,240 during that time so this is what I try and explain to people. 796 00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:35,840 Your body does not need as much vitamin C as you think when 797 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,240 you're sick. How much vitamin C are you 798 00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:39,000 putting in the body you're loading if you're. 799 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,280 Not eating carbs? Yeah, if you're eating carbs. 800 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,360 If you're eating carbs is different, we'll compete with 801 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,680 the vitamin up. But but what's happening 802 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,000 Victoria, when we look at the viruses, you're feeding the 803 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,280 virus the problem because you're feeding sugar, sugar is actually 804 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,400 feeding the virus. So when you eliminate that. 805 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,720 What's it and the gentleman we've had on a few times with 806 00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:02,080 his his theory. Of. 807 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,960 Toxins are causing cancer and cancer. 808 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,280 Just trying trying to help you and show you where the problem 809 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,720 is. It may. 810 00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:15,240 It makes perfect sense because when you take away the damage, 811 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,040 your body's, your body heals naturally. 812 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,520 Your body's designed to heal naturally. 813 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,360 It's like similar to inflammation where you have you 814 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,040 need a certain amount of inflammation for a certain set 815 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,560 of actions that your body will take for certain scenarios, but 816 00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:35,360 you know those are protective things. 817 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,400 Whereas if you put that in a different context, it's not 818 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:44,760 protective anymore. No, it's damaging definitely. 819 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,480 And that AG 1 is just a glass of Chernobyl juice. 820 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,080 I can't imagine no there. I have had green smoothies. 821 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,280 Chemical under the sun. Yes, absolutely. 822 00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,160 Jam packed in there for $80.00 a month so. 823 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,600 And and what what I'm just going to add. 824 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,040 Releases the more. Yeah, and I was just going to 825 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,240 add to that, guys like what essential nutrients are we 826 00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:08,240 giving the body? Like none. 827 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,320 Yeah. Like no, not apart from 828 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:12,000 proteins. What? 829 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,360 Was synthetic. They put synthetic vitamins in 830 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,480 there, but you know how good those are. 831 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,040 Not necessarily the best. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 832 00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,200 That, that's, that's another big thing with labels that they'll 833 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,480 have vitamin B3 on it and. They'll yeah, they're all 834 00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,000 brilliant. Got a vitamin? 835 00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,720 What they don't realize is that an extracted vitamin doesn't act 836 00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:31,720 the same when it's not in its food matrix. 837 00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,240 Yeah, it's. It's not a vitamin in that 838 00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:36,000 sense. A vitamin. 839 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:37,640 Reacts completely different, yeah. 840 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,360 Reacts differently in the body, yeah. 841 00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,840 Yeah. Not the same, massively so, 842 00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,720 yeah, I think that's important. I think that's extremely 843 00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:46,880 important that we get that point across is that we can't just 844 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,200 class food, all food the same. Yeah. 845 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,360 And I mean, you look at what our food supply, this is what you 846 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,840 were talking about earlier on about what our ancestors did. 847 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,120 Maybe they did eat vegetation and carbohydrates, but the 848 00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,560 difference is it wasn't anywhere near the same as what we're 849 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,920 consuming now. Nowhere near. 850 00:46:05,240 --> 00:46:08,040 Our vegetation is different. Our fruits are different. 851 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,040 You look at strawberry, strawberries over 200 years ago, 852 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,200 that size, now they're that size. 853 00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:16,120 You know what I mean? You look, you look at most of 854 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:17,600 the fruits, they'll say that they can. 855 00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,560 They all contain fructose. Horseshit. 856 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:21,640 They all contain shoe cross as well. 857 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,120 And where does shoe cross come from? 858 00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,080 It's a cane sugar. Now do your research and tell me 859 00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,480 where cane sugar comes from. You'll be amazed when you find 860 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,400 out where cane sugar come from and you're telling me that fruit 861 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:33,760 doesn't have an impact on your health. 862 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,600 OK, OK, Google cane sugar and get back to me. 863 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,200 You know what I mean? It's just, it's honestly, it's 864 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,400 just it's it's remarkable. It's absolutely remarkable that 865 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:45,840 you've been pushed in this direction. 866 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:47,440 You've been pushed to be healthy. 867 00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,520 And then when something does happen, they're like, oh, jeez, 868 00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,840 I don't know what happened here. I haven't got a clue, but I'm 869 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:54,240 going to I'm. But what I'm going to do is I 870 00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:55,400 end up pushing you to the doctor. 871 00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,680 It's just and the answers are out there as well. 872 00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:00,920 The answers are all. Out there, it's all out there, 873 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,440 but the thing about it is the algorithm, the. 874 00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,440 Propaganda going against each other of. 875 00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,000 That's what it's going to say. This, this podcast that we do 876 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,760 today, this won't, this won't blow up. 877 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,320 I guarantee it. Because the podcast that we do, 878 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,680 we all, we get a very, very limited amount of views and it 879 00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,240 really, really frustrates us. Whereas people should be 880 00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:20,840 listening to this kind of information. 881 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,920 Yeah, I'm making up your own. I'm making up your, your, your 882 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,000 own reasons why. What do you want to do or not. 883 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,920 But at least at least people let people have the choice. 884 00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:30,320 Don't try. And you'll see there's a, 885 00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,760 there's a lot of plant based influences out there that you've 886 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,920 never heard the name of that are, you know, that have the 887 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,880 follower count of famous doctors and things like that or famous 888 00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,040 Youtubers or whatever. And you're like, where did all 889 00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,200 these come from, you know? Yeah, they're coming out, but 890 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:48,720 nowhere, everywhere at the moment. 891 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:50,480 Yeah. Scary. 892 00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,440 It really is. Just so, so many people out 893 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,200 there. Jake, I want to be respectful of 894 00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,640 your time, but what are you consuming now on a daily basis? 895 00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:02,160 Oh, I like slow cooked food a lot. 896 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:03,960 So it's mostly just slow cooked meat. 897 00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:10,360 Like I say, I like, I like the softness of carrots. 898 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,360 So I'll get a little bit of carrot and chop it up into tiny 899 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:16,360 pieces and boil that up. But it's not really a health 900 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,960 choice. It's more of just, you know, 901 00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:24,000 adding something in. I do chilies a little bit with 902 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,040 chilies, if you they, they can be, they can have a benefit. 903 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:32,920 But if you have too much and they have a harm and the nice 904 00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,120 thing is if it's too spicy, you kind of know for your body it's 905 00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:36,760 too much. So it's simple enough. 906 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:42,240 Spring onions, I'll do a bit. Anything that's kind of like low 907 00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:46,400 amounts of defense chemicals. I used to eat sweet potatoes 908 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,440 because of, you know, they're better than potatoes in a 909 00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,840 certain way. But I realized that, you know, 910 00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,360 they're still quite high in oxalates and they don't all go 911 00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,520 away. So I just leave those alone 912 00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,240 because I've heard of people eating sweet potatoes and still 913 00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:02,440 have an issue. So yeah, I'm honestly pretty 914 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,320 much a carnivores diet do. You consume. 915 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:11,280 Dairy I do a bit. I don't take milk the best, but 916 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,120 I love the taste of milk. If I do, I get raw milk for 917 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,480 sure. Raw dairy or raw cheese is 918 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:24,120 sometimes hard cheese I like. I find that there's benefits of 919 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:28,280 fermentation I think. But I think, again, excess is 920 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:33,440 not a good idea. We're not particularly designed 921 00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:37,240 to be having dairy. That doesn't mean we can't. 922 00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,040 We've obviously mutated. A lot of the world is mutated to 923 00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:44,600 be able to take dairy, but I don't think it's necessary. 924 00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,040 So I don't try to have too much of it. 925 00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:53,200 I sort of split things up into famine foods versus what we what 926 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,280 we should want to be abundant. And again, it kind of comes down 927 00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:57,480 that you just want a lot of meat. 928 00:49:58,360 --> 00:49:59,600 Eggs. I love a lot of eggs. 929 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:05,400 Yeah, eggs is good. Yeah. 930 00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:06,960 About it. It's very simple. 931 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:11,360 I'll have soda bread, baking soda bread, which is kind of 932 00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,800 nice. Bread helps me get as much meat 933 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,200 as I can down. I'm trying to put on weight, 934 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,720 which is kind of funny because most people are talking about 935 00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:21,320 how they how they can lose weight. 936 00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,680 And so I'm happy to eat as much meat as I can. 937 00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:31,720 I try and get at least 500 grams for I'm about 125 lbs myself. 938 00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:37,440 So I try and get at least 500 grams of meat, beef and lamb, no 939 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:41,240 chicken, just because it's really hard to find properly 940 00:50:41,240 --> 00:50:44,160 well raised chickens that then get slaughtered for the meat. 941 00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,320 Typically if you have good local pasture fed chickens they're 942 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,880 going to be used for eggs. So I'll get pasture raised 943 00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:58,600 chickens 100% grass fed beef, grass finished always when I can 944 00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,880 if it's available. I try and get wild meat just 945 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:06,680 because of the ethics of it. But you know, I also find that 946 00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:12,800 raising a when you raise a herd of cow or a herd of goats, it's 947 00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:18,280 if you do it properly, you're you're, you're managing that 948 00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,840 population. You're not killing off a whole 949 00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,120 lot of cows. You're managing or, you know, 950 00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,560 typically would have been wild bovine, I suppose that you start 951 00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,240 off with, but you're not killing off that population. 952 00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:31,720 That's not what it is. You're providing shelter you're 953 00:51:31,720 --> 00:51:33,880 at, you're letting their babies grow full, full life. 954 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,240 Now, obviously some of them get killed because it's all local. 955 00:51:37,240 --> 00:51:40,920 But now we have factory farming and that's that just kills off 956 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:45,880 babies all the time. So I, yeah, always local, as 957 00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:54,040 local as I possibly can. Anything else sourdough and it 958 00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:55,520 has to only have four ingredients. 959 00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,760 No, no, you know, bread, bread's a shocking 1. 960 00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:00,760 You get sourdoughs sometimes you'll have seed oils in it, 961 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:06,160 which is why. But yeah, again, trying. 962 00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:07,160 I try not to have too much bread. 963 00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,080 It's like milk. It doesn't, I can feel it the 964 00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,400 next day that it's, you're not meant to be eating that, you 965 00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,880 know. But if someone does want to do 966 00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,320 these things and have nice tasty foods and have a bit of bread 967 00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:22,360 because it helps down the meat or whatever, then at the very 968 00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:27,040 least go for make it yourself. Know exactly what ingredients 969 00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,120 you're putting into it. Learn how to cook your 970 00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,360 vegetables properly. If I, you know, if I'm cooking 971 00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,600 for someone else and they like vegetables, I'll cook the 972 00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,080 vegetables and eat some of it. But I'll steam the broccoli. 973 00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,720 I'll make sure I know it's fully cooked, you know. 974 00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,480 Yeah, I'd say that's about. It Yeah, I like, I like the way 975 00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:45,960 you said that. I mean, you're advocating like 976 00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,200 real food. That's that's I mean, that's 977 00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:49,680 what that's what it's all about here. 978 00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,880 Like we want to push real food. You made you made something 979 00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,080 very, very interesting. You made an interesting point a 980 00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:57,600 few minutes ago. And I want to address this 981 00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,680 because myself and Victoria spoke about this a few weeks 982 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,720 ago. And that's when you're saying 983 00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:04,720 that you're using this diet, you want it, you find it, you'll 984 00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:07,720 probably find it a little bit difficult to eat a lot because 985 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,400 that's where you're adding the carbohydrates in and it helps 986 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,840 you eat more. I'm just a little bit, I'm just 987 00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,440 a little bit curious to understand this because from my 988 00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,000 point of view, I believe this is, this sends a false signal to 989 00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,640 the brain. I believe that this is, this is 990 00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,880 a craving and more, not like a hunger issue. 991 00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:25,400 No, I'm not. I'm not. 992 00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,680 I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just, I'm just saying, I 993 00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,600 just want to just yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 994 00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:36,280 It's not I partly to get it down as a quick, you know, OK, you 995 00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,080 know, bang out a meal, get a bit of one or two slices of bread, 996 00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:43,760 shut it down. But realistically, I, I was 997 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,800 doing carnivore a little bit before when I was skateboarding 998 00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,400 a lot. Now that I'm working and doing 999 00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:52,160 my book and all that, and I'm a lot more sedentary, I sit down a 1000 00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:53,760 lot more. I'm not necessarily on top of 1001 00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:54,560 everything. It's perfectly. 1002 00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,560 Yeah, yeah. When I was skateboarding and a 1003 00:53:56,560 --> 00:54:00,120 little bit younger, maybe 2-3 years ago, skateboarding every 1004 00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,720 day, didn't have much of A job going, was kind of just learning 1005 00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:06,600 and studying and skating. I was strict, quite strict 1006 00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,480 carnivore and I didn't have issues. 1007 00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,000 I I think if people are having issues with eating carnivore 1008 00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:18,280 spices, her salts, things like that salt spice, lemon, I would 1009 00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,800 just do a lot of lemon. I can just whip up as much meat 1010 00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:28,240 as I want and a Greek yogurt. Yeah help sometimes yeah. 1011 00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:31,200 There's there's better ways than eating bread to get to get it 1012 00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,840 down and like you say that's you're not giving the best 1013 00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,080 signals for sure. Yeah, but but as I said, I'm 1014 00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:37,480 not, I'm not saying that you're wrong. 1015 00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,120 I'm just, I'm just saying that for people because I hear 1016 00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,880 there's an awful lot in the space that I'm never going to go 1017 00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,600 down kind of the carnivore because I want to put on muscle. 1018 00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,200 And that's why I eat the carbohydrate because it it helps 1019 00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,040 me eat regularly throughout the whole day. 1020 00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,440 Yes, it does. But in my opinion, that's a 1021 00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,760 false signal because yes, you're eating more frequently of the 1022 00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,560 day, but it's that hunger or is that more of a craving? 1023 00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,360 You're craving sugar every couple of hours Because the 1024 00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,960 whole point of getting at the carnivore was to eliminate that 1025 00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,800 problem and have this food freedom because that was the 1026 00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,760 biggest one for me. I used to be part of that 1027 00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,920 lifestyle where I used to eat 8 times a day and I couldn't 1028 00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,560 understand why I had the ID a meal at like at 8:00 and then 1029 00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,120 two hours again, I'm starving again. 1030 00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,040 Then two hours again, I'm starving again. 1031 00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:21,720 Whereas now I don't have that in my leg. 1032 00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:24,840 You know what I mean? So now I only two meals and I 1033 00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,000 thought I would never be able to address that issue ever because 1034 00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,760 I used to wake up in the middle of it's a night and I have some 1035 00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,960 to eat that's how bad it was. I mean, if fasting will help 1036 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:36,080 with if someone struggles to get corn or diet down. 1037 00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:39,960 If you can, if you fast, you'll start being able to eat a bigger 1038 00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,080 amount in one meal. And that's where I'm at. 1039 00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,840 I can eat my 500 grams in one single meal pretty much. 1040 00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:50,200 And when you compare that with just like a slice of bread and 1041 00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,680 butter, typically I'll get, I'll do like a slice of bread, maybe 1042 00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,560 get started and then finish it up. 1043 00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:59,400 Yeah, yeah. And again, it'll be, I'll try 1044 00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:03,040 and use a certain type of flour as well to lower glycemic 1045 00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:06,600 response. So it's not as bad sugar wise. 1046 00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,400 But yeah, it's not perfectly ideal. 1047 00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:12,880 Yeah. For that I'd say salt, lemon, 1048 00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,400 things like that. Things that are not going to, 1049 00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:16,720 maybe not so much lemon, I don't know. 1050 00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:21,800 But yeah, salt, bit of Greek yogurt, little bit of chili, 1051 00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:23,320 chopped up spice will help it a lot. 1052 00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,920 Salivate. Yeah, add enzymes to be breaking 1053 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,120 things down so. Yeah, yeah. 1054 00:56:27,720 --> 00:56:29,520 I mean, at the end of the day, it's working for you, Jake. 1055 00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,600 If it's working for you, then nobody can tell you that what 1056 00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,200 you're doing is wrong. Yeah, sure. 1057 00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,040 You know what I mean? So I mean. 1058 00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,320 We're we're as long as it's not getting those toxins and all. 1059 00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,040 That exactly, exactly. You're, you're just, you're an 1060 00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:42,800 advocate of, of proper nutrition. 1061 00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:44,400 That's what we're trying to do with people. 1062 00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,320 It's like you don't need to be a strict kind of our I mean, 1063 00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,320 there's people out there that are hyper carnivores, just 1064 00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,520 people out there that are key. Oh, there's people out there 1065 00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,360 that are doing low carbohydrate. If it's making an impact your 1066 00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,520 life life and you're a lot healthier than what you wear in 1067 00:56:56,520 --> 00:57:00,080 the past, I'm all for it. But I will always ask the 1068 00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,640 question because this is this is what I do. 1069 00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,320 If you were going to be introducing these foods in, I 1070 00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,400 should be entitled to ask the question why? 1071 00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:10,440 And I'm not coming down hard on you. 1072 00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:14,560 I'm just, I'm just trying to get into the mindset if we are going 1073 00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,880 to add the carbohydrate in, like give me a reason why we're 1074 00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:19,920 adding these in because you're not getting any benefit what 1075 00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,200 from what from them whatsoever. Because we know your body makes 1076 00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,440 its own carbohydrate. You know what I mean? 1077 00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,840 We know this. So in my, in my view, and again, 1078 00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,320 I'm not have, I'm not having a go at you. 1079 00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,400 In my view, I just believe that most people add these foods in. 1080 00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,040 It's because they still have that addictive personality in 1081 00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,080 the first place. Yeah, no, I agree. 1082 00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:40,480 I agree. Does that make sense? 1083 00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,480 The case for. Me we know you can put on weight 1084 00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:44,240 with. Milk. 1085 00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:46,520 No, sorry, Jake. Go ahead. 1086 00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:47,560 Go ahead. No, go ahead, Jake. 1087 00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:51,080 Yeah, no, like I said with milk, I still go and drink my milk. 1088 00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:54,720 And I was just saying to a friend today, I still do chug it 1089 00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:56,200 a little bit too much, a lot of glass. 1090 00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,280 And it's like, you know, and then I'll have another couple of 1091 00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,800 glasses, you know, and then I'm like, OK, that's now I'm going 1092 00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:03,440 to wake up tomorrow a little bit low than that. 1093 00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,720 And so that tells me that like, OK, milk isn't optimal for me, 1094 00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,280 but I still do like it. I still get it a little bit. 1095 00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:13,600 And I still have some, you know, and that, you know, I'm, I'm a 1096 00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:18,000 younger guy and, you know, 27 dealing with those things. 1097 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:23,720 A lot of people are, you know, and yeah, I think it's it's part 1098 00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:28,240 of the conversation that we were saying earlier, you know, you 1099 00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,840 can't just sort of blanket statement, you know, say that, 1100 00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,520 oh, if you're not, if you're, if you're not doing well, it's 1101 00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,120 because you're not putting in the effort. 1102 00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,320 But at the same time, I think a lot of times for a lot of people 1103 00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:44,560 it can be that case, you know, And, you know, who knows how 1104 00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,360 much more optimal I could feel, how much more focus I could 1105 00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,520 have. Yeah, I feel good, but that 1106 00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,320 doesn't mean I can't feel better. 1107 00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:54,520 Exactly, exactly. That's what I'm saying. 1108 00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,640 Like I'm strict carnivore at the moment, but I'm never going to 1109 00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:59,520 say to someone that you need to do what I do. 1110 00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:03,800 But what I will say is I can tell you face to face now, I 1111 00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:07,800 feel incredible, like honestly amazing. 1112 00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,880 And I've been to where I've been, where you were, where I 1113 00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,440 was, I was like 80 percent, 90% carnivore and I felt good. 1114 00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,480 But when I got the strict carnivore, it took me to another 1115 00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,320 level. Yeah, yeah, I felt that myself 1116 00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,280 as well when I was doing it before a couple years ago. 1117 00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:27,800 Yeah. And I funny enough, when I did 1118 00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,880 it back then, it I was skateboarding a lot and so I had 1119 00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:33,400 a lot more discipline. I skateboarded a fairly high 1120 00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:37,960 level and it was, you know, hours and hours a day a lot, you 1121 00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:39,360 know, a lot of energy expenditure. 1122 00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:44,520 And funny enough, I worked totally fine on a carnivore 1123 00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,280 diet. I didn't need any carbohydrates 1124 00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:51,200 to, you know, for that increased activity level, which is what 1125 00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,760 I'd already what I'd always kind of assumed, you know, if you're 1126 00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:55,720 increasing activity level, then you should increase your 1127 00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:57,760 carbohydrates. If not, then you can do a 1128 00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,400 carnivore diet. The funny thing is, once I've 1129 01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:05,200 switched it around and I'm a little bit less active now, that 1130 01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,720 addiction creeps in more. But I want to get the carbs, you 1131 01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:09,280 know? What do you think? 1132 01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,840 What do you think that, but sorry, but you think that when 1133 01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,520 you're not moving around, that's when stress levels go up. 1134 01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:16,760 And when stress levels go up, that's when your blood sugar 1135 01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,080 goes up, and that's when that's when you trigger these crates. 1136 01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:23,520 Yeah, yeah, generally, yeah. You know, I think I just, you 1137 01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:28,640 know, if you're not using your body the way it's meant to 1138 01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,600 fully, the nutrition part of it is also going to be difficult. 1139 01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:36,520 I, I said to you in a tech, you know you can't if you don't get 1140 01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:38,440 your nutrition down, you won't be able to get your sleep down. 1141 01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,760 And in the same way, if you don't have a sleep down, it'll 1142 01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:43,800 be tough to make the right decisions for nutrition. 1143 01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:48,320 And so, and it correlates with exercise and nutrition as well. 1144 01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,960 If you, if you're not exercising, you're not, you're 1145 01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:54,640 not going to be incentivized in your body in terms of your cells 1146 01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:59,520 to go sort source out the right energy sources. 1147 01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:05,200 But if you are using your body and you're all of the different 1148 01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,720 systems are moving together in that way, you're just naturally 1149 01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:10,560 going to eat the right things. I feel like as long as you don't 1150 01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,000 sort of force yourself to eat the things you don't need 1151 01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:16,000 because of exactly what you think is true, I. 100% agree 1152 01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:17,480 with you. I think that I think that's 1153 01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:19,960 extremely important. I think that when it comes to 1154 01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,800 lifestyle and chronic stress in your life, there's going to be 1155 01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:24,960 certain factors in your life that you can't control. 1156 01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,200 But the one thing you can't control is what you point to the 1157 01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,000 body that that controls everything. 1158 01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,560 Because if you're able to control that situation, 1159 01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:35,400 everything around you gets a lot easier, a lot easier. 1160 01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:38,280 You're able to manage stress a lot easier, your sleep a lot 1161 01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,800 easier, relationships a lot easier. 1162 01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,040 Everything pretty much is a lot easier going forward. 1163 01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:45,440 So what happens is your stress levels stay down. 1164 01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:47,640 That's what we want. When the, when the, when the 1165 01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:50,800 stress levels are low, then you can control, you control blood 1166 01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,080 sugar. If it's the other way around and 1167 01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,800 stress is out of control, guess what happens to our blood sugar? 1168 01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,040 It goes up. If our blood sugar goes up, what 1169 01:01:58,040 --> 01:01:59,960 happens to our appetite? It goes up. 1170 01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,200 Our hunger goes up. We're, we're, we're, we're, 1171 01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:03,680 we're, we're thinking about food all the time. 1172 01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,400 We look at food as, as a solution. 1173 01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:07,640 How many times have you been in that situation where you're 1174 01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,800 panicking or you know, I mean, you're in that really, really 1175 01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,840 stressful situation. More than likely people go 1176 01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,840 towards the fridge and they think they get the chocolate or 1177 01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:18,720 whatever and they feel better after. 1178 01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,000 I think that's probably why alcohol is so big as well. 1179 01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:22,680 Exactly. You know, it's yes. 1180 01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:25,000 And it became, you know, it became a new thing of the 1181 01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:27,640 psychological addiction to the euphoria. 1182 01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:32,120 But initially I think it's just a desperate for carbs kind of 1183 01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:33,520 thing. You know it's an addiction. 1184 01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,200 Yeah, and you have to address that again. 1185 01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:37,440 Beer. Beer would have been a famine 1186 01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:38,560 food. It would have been used 1187 01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:40,440 initially for, of course, getting drunk. 1188 01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,360 It would have been used for nutrition initially, Yeah, 1189 01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,080 during a famine kind of period. So yeah. 1190 01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:48,360 Absolutely. Let's finish off with your book, 1191 01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:49,680 Jake. Where can people find it and 1192 01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:51,720 talk to us a little? Bit more about it, it's on 1193 01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:52,800 Amazon. I've got it here. 1194 01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:56,040 Food is fake. Looked around, but yeah, it's on 1195 01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:59,440 Amazon. My Instagram is J Kelly 1196 01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:02,560 official, so it's on there. It's linked up there as well. 1197 01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,800 It's my second book. I did one about the benefits of 1198 01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:12,360 baking soda, but I I leave that one to kind of just hopefully as 1199 01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:15,320 I grow people by that as well, it's a bit more of a emergency 1200 01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:21,120 medicine kind of thing. Yeah, I'm sort of just starting 1201 01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:24,880 out in terms of promoting and social media and stuff. 1202 01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:29,120 I put up videos on my Instagram every few days or so. 1203 01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:32,600 You're killing it. About the book, about nutrition, 1204 01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:35,080 about the food industry. I'm trying to explain 1205 01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:36,640 everything. And yeah. 1206 01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:38,960 Yeah, you're absolutely killing on social media. 1207 01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,400 I'm watching you now in the last few days and honestly, your 1208 01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:45,280 content is amazing. So you're keeping up the you're 1209 01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,880 fighting the good fight. So yeah, honestly, whatever you 1210 01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:49,560 do next, Jake, honestly, it's amazing. 1211 01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:52,600 It's amazing to finally meet you and I hope everything goes 1212 01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:54,000 really, really well. I'd love to see you write 1213 01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,400 another book. And yeah, I, I definitely have 1214 01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,120 plans for it, Yeah. Yeah, because this. 1215 01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:01,800 One was about the food industry. The next one I wanted to do 1216 01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:03,720 would be take out the corruption part of it. 1217 01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:05,120 Just what do you need to eat? You know what? 1218 01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:05,680 I. Mean exactly. 1219 01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:06,240 Yeah. Yeah. 1220 01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:08,760 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and what? 1221 01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:10,920 What's the plans? And what's the plans? 1222 01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:12,280 Sorry, you got it. No, you got it. 1223 01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:13,800 Yeah. Speaking of plans, I think 1224 01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,480 October 24th, are you at the? Yeah, I'll be in Belfast. 1225 01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:19,320 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 1226 01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:23,720 So I'll be in Belfast and then we're so we have Belfast now in, 1227 01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:26,880 in October. We're hoping to get something up 1228 01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,960 in January in, in awfully in in Ireland. 1229 01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:34,240 And then I'm speaking to a woman currently she lives in Tampa, FL 1230 01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:37,440 and I was, we're trying to set up something for April. 1231 01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:42,280 Nice, yeah. That's, I mean that that I've 1232 01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:44,600 always said that this is the reason why I'm doing this. 1233 01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:47,320 I would love to be on stage and just talk to people. 1234 01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:50,080 And I mean, This is why I'm so passionate like you. 1235 01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:51,960 I'm so passionate about this industry. 1236 01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:53,840 I don't see this as a tighter diet. 1237 01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:57,000 Now this is this is more to me than just a diet. 1238 01:04:57,640 --> 01:04:59,640 There's many, many people out there that are struggling. 1239 01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:01,960 When we went to that event a couple of weeks ago in Cork, 1240 01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:04,920 there were people at that event that were you could see they 1241 01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:06,520 were struggling. There were a few people in the 1242 01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:09,400 audience that were that were having that were going through 1243 01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:12,480 cancer and all. We're doing what we're giving 1244 01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:14,400 these people hope. We're just saying like, listen, 1245 01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:18,720 maybe, maybe if you just implement this in your life, 1246 01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:21,240 this could change your life. What have you got to lose? 1247 01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:24,400 And there's 5 speakers there. We all spoke from the heart. 1248 01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:26,520 We all gave them our, our stories. 1249 01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:30,360 And then we went into basically everything that we were taught 1250 01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,640 about nutrition. And we're, and now we're dealing 1251 01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:38,080 with, we're just getting people to think, just think like my 1252 01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:40,760 presentation was basically, OK, we're doing what they're telling 1253 01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:42,920 us to do. So that's what my presentation 1254 01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,160 was all about. They like the, the insulin 1255 01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:48,720 resistance model, the the insulin model, metabolic damage. 1256 01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:50,600 Everybody's gone through this at the moment. 1257 01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:54,760 So you I gave people a list of metabolic issues that are going 1258 01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:56,680 through all the moment. And I asked people in the 1259 01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:00,400 audience, can you tell me what's the solution for these at the 1260 01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:02,800 moment? And most of them shouted up at 1261 01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:05,960 me medication. And I was like, OK, well, maybe 1262 01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:07,920 we might be able to address dress true foods. 1263 01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:10,640 How do you know? And they were and they were 1264 01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:12,200 like, OK, well, tell us what we need to do. 1265 01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:14,120 So that's what my my presentation was about. 1266 01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:16,800 So this is what we're trying to say to people is like that. 1267 01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:18,720 We're listening to one voice at the moment. 1268 01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:21,280 We've been listening to that voice now for far too long. 1269 01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:24,200 It's not working. You have three of us now in 1270 01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:27,200 front of you that are speaking completely differently. 1271 01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:31,520 Why have you got to lose? If you do this and it and it 1272 01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:35,840 literally makes a change in your life, you lose the weight, 1273 01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:38,840 possibly you'll come off your medication, you put your 1274 01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:41,560 symptoms into remission. What can these people say to 1275 01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:42,800 you? Nothing. 1276 01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:45,120 Nothing. Yeah, they come out. 1277 01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:47,280 You were all the Yeah, they come out and we had all this 1278 01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:49,480 cholesterol talk and all this nonsense. 1279 01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:51,680 But if you but have you changed your life? 1280 01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:53,640 What can these people say? Nothing. 1281 01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:58,200 Yeah, yeah, sure. Yeah. 1282 01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:00,600 And and the people with chronic going on with that, when you 1283 01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,560 say, why not just try it? People with chronic conditions 1284 01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:07,200 that are trying all the, this is my dad trying all the different 1285 01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:09,120 medications that they had for him to try and nothing was 1286 01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:10,640 really working. They couldn't even explain what 1287 01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:14,120 this condition is. What for someone like that, they 1288 01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:18,040 have nothing else to lose. Like they've got no and not just 1289 01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:19,400 that, but no other options in front of them. 1290 01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:22,280 So just pick the one single option that's there and that is. 1291 01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:25,680 But isn't it a pity that we have to wait until we get to that 1292 01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:27,200 stage? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1293 01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:28,960 Isn't it? Because when you're on your 1294 01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:32,080 deathbed, you will do whatever it takes to stay on this earth 1295 01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:34,360 for a couple of years. It shouldn't get to that stage, 1296 01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:37,440 Jake. Yeah, we should be able to dress 1297 01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:40,120 this now. Yeah, I'd like, I'd like to do 1298 01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:44,760 maybe home education textbooks, you know, they wouldn't get into 1299 01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:48,080 schools probably, but home education textbooks are just 1300 01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:52,960 textbooks for anyone to to start at the kid level for teenagers. 1301 01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:59,600 Because as you get older, it's harder to change rooted beliefs, 1302 01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:03,360 you know? Yeah, it's a hard pill to 1303 01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:05,320 swallow. Often I feel for people when you 1304 01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:08,480 try to tell them the food industry is lying to you and 1305 01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:10,720 everything you know is wrong because it's we. 1306 01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:13,680 I think most of us probably learned it step by step slowly 1307 01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:17,000 from you saw this book, you read that video or you read that 1308 01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:20,080 book, you saw the video, you heard it from a friend, you 1309 01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:22,560 heard it from this guy and slowly started realizing we 1310 01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:25,120 started looking into it. Whereas a lot of times when 1311 01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:27,439 you're trying to give the advice to someone, it comes out as 1312 01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:30,319 everything all at once. And that's a huge blow to the 1313 01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:35,319 psyche, you know, to someone's belief system and they think for 1314 01:08:35,319 --> 01:08:38,040 them, it's their safety. They it's their safety system 1315 01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:40,200 that they have around. You it has an attack, yeah. 1316 01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:41,760 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. 1317 01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:44,520 There's a lot of healing to be done because we were talking 1318 01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,520 about seed oils earlier on. If you've been consuming seed 1319 01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:50,520 oils for over 20 years, 20 years, it's probably going to 1320 01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:52,279 take it the same amount of time for your body to heal. 1321 01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:54,840 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's a lot of research as 1322 01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:59,000 well in terms of, you know, seed oils or at least sort of a, a 1323 01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:04,720 fact that we can understand. There's pharmaceutical waste in 1324 01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:06,840 water. There's there's new 1325 01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:09,279 pharmaceutical waste in water that we don't know about, you 1326 01:09:09,279 --> 01:09:13,479 know, flushing those things out of the body, flushing, you know, 1327 01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:15,720 the microplastics, nanoplastics out of your body. 1328 01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:20,000 Like, you know, there's new research to do as well on how to 1329 01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,760 combat everything that's happening, all the toxins. 1330 01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:25,240 Absolutely. Well, Jake, as I said, it's been 1331 01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:27,640 a pleasure meeting you. We really appreciate you coming 1332 01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:29,720 onto the podcast and whatever you're doing next. 1333 01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:31,439 We wish you all the best. Thank you. 1334 01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:33,000 Thank you very much. It was great for you. 1335 01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:35,520 We'll get you to stay on and we'll talk to you after this, 1336 01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:36,800 OK? Yeah, nice. 1337 01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:40,000 See you soon buddy. If you get value from this 1338 01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:45,560 podcast, please hit subscribe, drop a like comment and share 1339 01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:48,160 this episode. It really helps spread the word 1340 01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:51,200 on Carnivore. Want support on the diet? 1341 01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:57,640 e-mail ennismark93@gmail.com for a free consultation. 1342 01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:03,240 New clients are welcome. Now in memory of our dear friend 1343 01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:07,320 Rocky, the Jack Russell Terrier who will always be in our 1344 01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:07,960 hearts.