Welcome to the backpacking podcast brought to you by
Outdoor Vitals. For myself, John Kelly and
Jeremiah Stringer, we're going to welcome you to another
episode of the podcast. Big thank you goes out to
Outdoor Vitals, makers of Performance First Ultra Light
Gear. Jeremiah, once you tell us a
little bit about this brand new line of clothing they're about
to come out with. Yeah, they're dropping three
different pieces of clothing during this line.
I was going to tell you real quick about the Pursuit hybrid
fleece. Now, this whole line is designed
for if you're out and it's cold but you want to move, that's
what that's what it is. So this hybrid fleece, it's got
fleece lines strategically inside of it, the grid fleece.
But I'll tell you honestly, my favorite feature, this is as
simple as it gets. I don't know why everybody
doesn't do this, but I always get my head stuck or like my
hair or messing up my beard. You don't want to mess up your
beard. Can't do.
That with those quarters, the quarter zips, why don't they
just make them zip more? So that's what Outdoor Vitals
did with this hybrid fleece. It I wouldn't call it a quarter
zip, I call it a three quarter zip.
It zips all the way down at. Least 2/3 right?
Yeah, so that's my favorite feature on it.
Go on over to outdoorvitals.com if you want to check it out.
They are selling quick. So pick out your favorite size,
your favorite color. Yes, they are.
And also they've got the Altura dynamic pants and they are
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is very comfortable, breathable and easy to maneuver with.
All of this gear is part of the Mountain Pursuit Line, which is
geared towards people who are going to be doing a little bit
more rugged work out the outdoors.
If that's you. Estimated shipping on this is
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your hands on some of this Mountain Pursuit Line gear from
Outdoor Vitals. Jeremiah, we have a poll that we
need to hear the results of, and I think it's important for you
to share with us the results of this poll.
Yeah, dude, we're leading off the show today talking about
poop, poop, poop. Right from the top, man.
Right from the top. I I meant to bring this up with
a guest that we had on recently but I forgot so we skipped it
till now. So poop.
I put out a poll and y'all can answer in the comments.
The people that are on here live.
Welcome to the show. By the way the poll says which
do you prefer to poop on trail or which do you prefer to poop
in on trail And you're like what do you mean to poop in?
Your choices are Privy a cat hole or you just don't poop on
trails. Some people try to win the game
of not pooping on trail. These results I think may
surprise you, John. We have in last place 10% of
people say we do not poop on trail 10% and then we have 38%
use a cat hole. I know I'm surprised too.
Well, and 52% more than. Half.
More than half prefer to go to the Privy.
Do you think these people are lying?
You think this is real stuff? That they, I mean, they're
voting. I mean, out of millions of
votes, that's what we got. It's anonymous.
I'll tell you, man. Oh, wait, wait, wait.
We're getting, we're getting ridden by Backcountry exposure.
Mr. Devin is on here saying you can't omit the wag.
Bro I'm going to be honest, I didn't even think of putting a
wag bag on there. Wasn't even in my brain at the
time. Wasn't in my brain.
I got to say that. Probably would have.
I'm going to say safely it would have scored last.
But I could be wrong. It's true.
But here's the thing, E coasters is just not a thing in the East
Coast. Yeah, we don't even think about
it. Yeah.
We have no, we don't use them out here.
I think if we were using them out here it probably would be,
hey, we got a real quick Derwin off the rails, the alter ego of
Darwin on the trail. Left us a super chat for $4.99
and said what kind of hot Combs JJ use on that luscious beard.
That's funny, man. I, I got to be honest.
I, I talked about this the other week.
You got to get one of those spinning hair brushes, the
circle ones, and then brush your beard outward.
And John, I don't know if you trim your own or if you have a
Barber professionally do it, but mine will get real bushy and I
brush it all the way out like I'm super Amish.
I mean as Amish as Amish gets. And then I just chop the sides
off. Straight down and then I I trim
mine, but I don't quite go that way.
I'm I'm a little bit more with the trimmers and kind of try
and, you know, shape. A little bit more.
I'm looking for the Abe Lincoln man.
I'm the redheaded Abe Lincoln here.
Look at that. You know, man, I want to grow my
beard back out, but there's this problem right here that doesn't
grow enough. And if I grow one out, man, I
look like the most ridiculous hillbilly like dude on the I
mean, it's terrible. It's like I just can't grow this
part. If this would grow, I'd grow my
beard out all the time, but it doesn't.
So this listening and wonder what I'm talking.
I'm talking below my mouth, above my chin.
I have a little line that grows and that's it.
There's no like it doesn't fill in.
And when it doesn't fill in, when I grow my beard out, I look
like, if you ever look at the founders of our country,
sometimes my beard, I remember I was on a trail.
I, I think I was doing, oh gosh, what were we doing?
Pictured Rocks. And it was with Miyagi and he
pointed this old dude on one of these pictures, like one of the
founding people pictured rocks or something.
It was look, it's John. And that dude had my beard.
And I'm like, Dang it. So I keep a little more trim
these days because it just it's I just, I'm not going to do that
to myself. My wife hates it when I do that.
So what about she I'm not allowed to shave the beard off?
Like she's different than your wife.
She won't let me shit. She loves the beard.
She just doesn't want me having some big old shaggy thing.
So. So yeah.
What about this? What about the hair straightener
on your beard? Have you seen this?
I actually have seen that before.
I tried a hot comb on my beard once and what once looked
straggly looked more straggly. So I just avoid any kind of
thing like I do use, I still use outdoor beards, all their
products on my beard. I think it's it's the best of it
smells the best, it feels the best and it's all natural so you
don't have to worry about putting weird chemicals on you.
So I I still use their stuff, which does help make it fuller,
make it shiny, nice and pretty, you know.
But no, I don't do straighteners and stuff well.
For me, my wife Bridget, she straightens her hair pretty much
every day. And she, she asked me like a
couple days ago, are you going to let me straighten your hair?
See, Derwin says the hot comb straightens his beard out for
him. I've never tried it.
I've never bought one. But when she asked me if she if
I was gonna let her straighten my hair on top of my head.
For those that just listen to the show all the time and they
never watch it on YouTube or Spotify, that's fine.
We love you listening. I have long hair right now and
it's like getting down toward the middle of my back at this
point. It's been growing for over a
year, maybe a year and a half. I told her this heat on your
hair, I don't care if it's hair on your legs, on your on your
chin, on top of your head, on your arms, that heat is not good
for your hair. It's going to damage your hair.
She said, oh, I have some spray. We'll spray that heat tamer, you
know, protectant on your head before we before we straighten
it. I said, OK, great.
So to solve this problem of damaging my hair, you want to
spray chemicals on my hair? I don't think I'm going to.
Allow it. They're just not listening right
now, yeah. Well, she can listen to it while
she straightens her hair tomorrow morning.
We got the 1st 10 minutes of the show.
That's hilarious. Hey, so we got the craziest
story we're going to talk about right now.
This is one that that you found that you posted and I'm I'm
going to let you tell the story. But basically Walmart recalls
exploding hiking bottles and that two people were blinded
from these exploding bottles. You want to kind of explain the
story a little bit. Yeah, I saw this online and I
looked at it more. I think it's probably about a
month ago that this came out and it it's on my radar now.
But I'm going to read to you just a quick excerpt from
Google's AI here on this Walmart recalls almost 850,000 that's
nearly 1,000,000 Ozark Trail 64 oz still stainless steel
insulated water bottles. So here's what's happening.
It is permanently blinding people, dude, it's insane.
I know it's and it's I try not to laugh.
It's funny that these bottles are exploding.
It's not. Funny.
It's not funny. People are blinded.
It's just it's absurd is what it is.
It's funny because it's absurd. Like keep going, sorry.
No, you're good. You're good.
So apparently three people have been hit by the lid.
So the bottle, I don't know if the bottle's the problem or the
lid's the problem, or the way it fits together is the problem,
but the lid's doing the damage. I'm looking at it right now.
It's actually, I'm actually, this is crazy.
I'm on the United States Consumer Product Safety
Commission and I'm looking at what they have for this product.
It is a 64 oz stainless steel insulated water bottle.
It says the lid. The lid can forcefully eject,
posing serious impact and laceration hazards when a
consumer attempts to open the lid.
The capped bottles after food, carbonated beverages or
perishable beverages such as juice or milk are stored inside
over time. So what's happening is gases
and, and air are building up inside of these bottles.
And when they're opening it, they're kind of probably not
holding the bottle lid very tightly.
And when they're opening it, that gas that's built up is just
pushing the lid right out once you get it far enough.
Hit you right in the eye man. Take your vision.
Man, that's insane. Well, I mean, I, I mean, I guess
you can trust that you're not going to get any air inside the
bottle, right? Well, let me ask you this.
How much do you think that? Like let's say you had a work
injury, right? And insurance pays out, you
know, if you like lose a finger at work, insurance will pay X
amount if you lose an ear, if you lose a leg, if you lose an
eye. How much do you think an eye is
worse according to the insurance companies?
Oh, probably like $14.00. 14. Dollars.
I mean, the insurance companies don't care.
They don't care. But you know, what they're doing
is they're saying, you know, a lot of times if you work there,
basically it's my understanding you're signing a contract
saying, hey, I'll abide by these guidelines.
And one of the guidelines is insurance is already established
how much each part of your body is worth.
So if you lose something, you already agreed, this is how much
you're going to pay out. So you can't sue us saying, Hey,
I lost a finger, give me $20 million because I see people
comment like Jeff Jeff Peters in the comments, his comment about
sue and Walmart, because you would think, OK, Ozark Trails,
that's that's a Walmart brand, right?
That's like their outdoor brand. So that being the parent
company, you would think, oh, I'm going to sue Walmart and
Walmart, I don't know how much they're worth billions,
trillions, but you think you could get a lot according to
according to this potential payout.
And this is due to negligence, so I don't know if you consider
this negligence or what. They've been selling these since
2017. About 1/2 meal can range from
25,000 to over a million depending on lost wages
etcetera. But if it's total blindness,
about 1/2 meal is all you can. Bro.
How much should it be said at? I mean, like ethically, morally
speaking, you're taking somebody's one of their senses
away, just gone forever. Is it sad that I'm sitting here
thinking to myself, could I go without an eye for 500,000?
Oh my goodness, John's going to go on eBay.
He's like, where can I find Model 6?
I'm just thinking. To myself, I'm sitting here
thinking to myself, I'm going, you know, glass eyes.
They're they look pretty decent. You know, it's more than you
know. Yeah.
I mean, shoot, who's the guy in Marvel?
Like the Samuel L Jackson plays? I can be that guy.
I just have an eye patch. You could be daredevil.
I could be daredevil, just no, I don't want to be.
I don't want to be blind blind. I'm just I'm just willing to
give like maybe one eye half a mill, man, I could pay off my
house and my car. It's not worth your and more
like and then I'd have money leftover.
I could pay my kids college. My my kids college is probably
paid for at that point. Let me, let me spray paint.
I'm. Just I'm just throwing it out
there, man. I mean, like, I don't know.
I'm just yeah, I mean, I'm not, I'm not saying it's, I'm not
saying it's not bad. What?
I'm just in my head. That's the first thought that
went through my head was I wonder if I could get away with
what one eye? Well, they're look just sell
kidney next. Well, I mean, Jeff, it really
depends on how much they want for that kidney.
I'm just saying. I this got me thinking dude.
OK Nick. Nick Ramble said he needs about
5 mil for his eye. 5 mil is all it takes for one eye.
Nick, how much would you want for a kidney?
He's like, I'm like half that kid you.
Just throw it out there. And it got me thinking, dude, in
with these water bottles. A lot of people use this kind of
bottle on like a day hike, you know, very usually not
backpacking because they're kind of heavy, but day hiking, an
insulated bottle, it's hot out there, it keeps your water cold
or whatever you're taking. I could definitely see you
taking that on a day hike but I'm wondering for backpacking
what would be the best choice of water bottle?
And I typically will stop at the gas station.
Get a smart water or life water bottle.
And I know people love them because the Sawyer Squeeze, it
fits on top. But there's a lot go, there's a
lot coming out now where people don't want those because now
you've got Kanak is doing a collapsible bottle, you've got
Migo who's doing the bottle from what's her face.
She, she was with REI, now she's not with REI.
Miranda, she helped Durant do one.
Who else has done? I mean, several companies now
are coming out of these bottles because apparently the stuff
that's coming out of these other water bottles when you don't,
when you use them too much, isn't very healthy.
So yeah, somebody just staying here.
I like the new Miranda outdoor bottles.
Haven't gotten 1 though. Let me Google that and see what
that looks like. I'm not even.
Sure. Hey, I'll pull it up on the
screen. I got it right now you can see
it. The organ selling podcast.
We are the organ selling podcast, folks.
It's true, it's true. But yeah, so these are the
bottles that they've come out with.
OK, Why don't you describe? Them for the listeners.
Yeah, I mean really it just, it looks like a typical water
bottle. It's got kind of a rounded top
on it with a screw off lid. Looks like it'll fit on a, on
your typical filter, like you should be able to use a filter
with it. It's the same size.
There's a picture in here where it's the same size as a smart
water bottle. It looks like.
I'm curious what the weight is on these.
It's garage grown gear, so it'll tell you 4.7 oz.
So they're not super heavy, but and, and we got more people.
Oh yeah, squawk. That's right.
Devin was on here talking about the squawk bottle the company
makes. They make really good fleeces.
I've got a squawk fleece that I really like, but they're making
water bottles now too. But this is a thing.
It's starting to happen more. And I think it's because the the
whole idea of the the stuff that's in the plastic that
breaks down is really not good for you.
Not good. Hey, Josh cop Josh Coop says
he's got two of the Gray bottles and says they're better than
smart water bottles. Alex and Jay says the Migo is
awesome. So I mean, these must be pretty
popular, these Migo bottles. Dude, let me tell you what
happened with me and my Smartwater bottle.
Tell me what happened with you in the in the Smartwater bottle.
This this was during my extremely frugal days, all
right, I had very minimal backpacking gear, just starting
YouTube, just starting to collect gear, but it like
everything that I was getting, it's just a normal consumer.
You're buying it one piece at a time.
You're putting gear together. There's no special treatment.
There's no send me this, send me that, let me try this, blah,
blah, blah. Just an average guy.
Well, that kind of transcends all aspects of life.
I wasn't making a whole lot of money either.
So I was taking the same smart water bottle.
You know, I'd taken it backpacking.
I used it at the house and instead of just keep buying
cheap plastic bottles, I just kept refilling it because my
refrigerator has a filter on it, right?
Change that for six months. So I said, well, I'm not going
to go get an insulated bottle. Cost me $15.
I'm going to keep using this. I already paid $3 for this smart
water bottle. I'm going to use it till it's
used up. So I took it with me every day
to work, bro, every day I'd refill it at the water fountain
at work. This is, I mean frugal and bro,
I used it. I don't most of that school year
I work at a public school and one day I was drinking from it
and I said, oh, that's weird taking a drink, What is that?
And I looked at it and there's like a little something floating
in there. I was like, ah, gross,
something's got my water bottle and then I look more and bro, I
don't know how long it took, but I had been drinking for a while.
There was like a coating of something inside there, a gooey
gross. I just kept.
I don't know if it was plastic, if it was some kind of
microorganism that was growing in there and spreading, who
knows. But bro, I felt nauseous
drinking that and I'd already drank a bunch of the bottle you.
I've literally had it turned up when I spotted something
floating in there. And from then on.
Well, I'll only refill them about 20 or 30 times, but then
I'll throw them in the trash. Man, I can't use it for a whole
year. I'm frugal, but not to the point
where it's going to make me sick.
Yeah, it's it the bottles breakdown.
I mean, it's it's a thing that actually happens and you got to
experience it first hand. So that's kind of fun.
We got some comments on here. Suga Canadensis says there's no
such thing as good plastic. Nick Ramble says, yeah, plastic
sucks. It's a bummer.
Most of our gear is made from it as as you're drinking out of it.
I'm going straight up good old healthy aluminum.
So now and then a Backcountry exposure says John goes to
Mexico and we'll come home with a backpacking podcast, Tequila.
Listen, man, how much money is it going to make me?
That's all I'm asking. I mean, is, am I going to get as
much as I would for an eye or a kidney?
That's that's really the question we need to ask.
And Jeremiah didn't use the Gonx bottle wash.
Oh. I should have.
Man you, you messed that one up. It never crossed my mind to wash
the bottle. I was just like, it's clean
water going in there. There's How could it be getting
dirty and it wasn't. It might not have been getting
dirty, I might have just been the plastic falling apart on
you. That's true.
You think in in 100 years, they're going to be like kind of
like we are with lead now, Like we took it out of gasoline, took
it out of paint, you know, stop using it and all the materials.
You think they're going to be the same way with the plastic
water bottles. They're going to be like, you
know how many trillions of plastic water bottles we have in
the ocean now because you and your parents and your kids have
been drinking out of these. But The thing is.
Most of those bottles will come from America.
You know where those come from? Where like China and Japan most
Like if you if you ever checked the studies on it, it's insane
how many come from out that way. This sounds like propaganda,
John. It's not propaganda.
Look it up. I'll let you look it up so you
can find it because it's, it's, it's crazy like it.
Look at the percentage of who has the most plastic waste in
the ocean. It's it's an unreasonable
difference between the our country and out there so.
China and India very densely populated.
Yep. Oh and we got this right here
guys are like the aluminum has a plastic lining bag liner.
Just FYI. And the next comment was there's
a plastic liner and aluminum cans.
Yeah, you'd think they have to put some kind of liner in all
these bottles and cans and stuff, otherwise whatever's in
there is contaminating the the building material.
Well, we've got a battle going on, though, Chicken Little Trek,
says Suga. Not in Bush's baked beans,
though. There's no plastic liner in
Bush's baked beans. Don't you be messing with Bush's
baked beans, buddy. Isn't that the one with the dog
in the commercial? Yeah, that's the one with the
dog. Like talks with Peyton Manning.
That's. What I thought.
Man, Peyton Manning, you talk about a guy who must be getting
hard up for money. He's starting to do baked bean
commercials. If I was him, I would stick with
doing the NFL broadcast with Eli.
I would try to get a contract one weekend.
Every single, like every single game I've tried to do dude, like
every, I mean every week I would try to do a game.
They're they're great on that together.
They're just funny when they get together, period.
So OK, let's let's do this because I think this is where
you were trying to go and I completely like sidelined
everything, which is shocker with that never happens on this
show. Let's let's talk about each of
us. You've got a list of water
bottles on here. I'm going to read them off real
quick. Roll that beautiful bean
footage. So I'm going to name off these
bottles. And if you're commenting too, go
ahead and leave comments for this too.
But we're going to list off these these water bottles and
let's decide which ones we would rate as our highest and our
lowest use usable ones that sound good.
Yeah, do it. So we've got now Gene bottles,
we've got smart water bottles, we've got Life water bottles,
now Gene, the new thread size collapsible water bottles or
people just drinking from water bladders with the the tubes on
them. Yeah, and apparently some
bottles that I've never heard of.
So they don't, they don't qualify on this list that I've
made. And by the way, the thread size
on that new nail gene, this is probably not new.
They've probably been around for like 40 years and I've never
heard of it. But Jason had one on this last
trip, the Big South Fork trip. And I was like, what, you're
bringing a now Gene with you. You only he typically only does
that in the winter time and he'll fill it up with warm water
before he goes to bed. And then he'll take that to bed
with him as like one of those hot water bottles, you know, a
little extra warmth. But he broke this thing out and
it was just like a normal old regular bottle suss thread, like
a Coca-Cola bottle or pot bottle that you would get.
But it was now Gene. The rest of it.
I said I'd never seen these. He said, Yep, I started carrying
this. I think I like it better so I
haven't tried it yet, but I figured I'd throw it on my list
because it's new to me. Maybe not new, but new to me.
Well, let's do this. Let's go with last to 1st.
That sounds good. So which one are you least like?
Which one are you least interested in using?
How does that sound? I.
Can't use the bladder. I don't know how much is still
in there. I'm.
With you on that monitor? I'm with you on that.
Now you've got this paper on your desk, right?
I'm looking at it as well so. There's what, six of these?
Yeah. So in last place we got bladder.
I'm going to go next. Probably the collapsible
bottles. I don't like them.
Most of them to me taste kind of rubbery.
I don't know why. I think for me, I'm going to go
the original Nalgene is going to be next for me.
I don't like that big opening. And yeah, if you knock over one
with a smaller opening, it's going to take a lot more for all
the water to get out. But if you knock over analogy,
the water's out, it's gone, forget about it.
The whole thing's helping out. You ever accidentally kicked
over your cook pot and you're like at a dry camp and you're
like, Oh my gosh. Yeah, what I'm.
Going to do. I'm going to go with next least
favorite. I'll say probably the now Gene.
I'll take it in the winter time every once in a while.
I have a couple of them just full of stickers on the outside.
Yeah, I'm going to do the now gene new thread size because I
don't even know what that looks like or sounds like.
So I'm just going to go and put that as next on my list.
All right, I'll put it on next on my list as well.
I don't have one yet but I think I will be buying one.
Yeah, I think. I think after that for me it's
the collapsible bottle. Really you like the collapsible?
Bottle yeah, I've got I've got a couple that I've liked.
One of them I've I've actually got a a drink straw kind of
attachment thing to it. And because it's collapsible,
you don't have to have a tube that goes down into the bottle
because the bottle kind of shrinks with the drink.
So you like that kind of rhymes, but you I like that because I
could I've got it right here I can see how much water is left,
but the same time I don't have to worry about having to have an
extra tube down inside and all that kind of stuff.
It just kind of shrivels up as you're drinking it and so I'm
I'm kind of cool with it. You know, Jonathan with Woodall
trails, his water filter system, he does a a collapsible bottle
as like his bladder, I guess you would call it that you fill up
to push through your filter. And I thought that could be a
good fit if I was using a collapsible bottle.
I have that fastback from outdoor bottles and I've tried
the collapsible water bottles. They they work well.
If you're like a runner and you know, you want less space to be
taken up as you drink the bottle.
That's great and all. I just, I don't know, they're
not for me, but I'll say it's a tie.
Smart water and live water. I'll take either of those as my
#1 because they're basically the same.
And I'm going to throw in one in there that's not on there, but
we've got gas stations around here that do their own water
bottles that are that size and they're about $2.00 cheaper a
bottle. So I'll do those, you know, it's
just cheaper. You think they're filling those
up with a water hose around back?
I don't care, I'm just using the bottle.
Oh, you just pour the water out. I mean, I'll still drink the
water. I mean, it's The thing is, it's
probably the same water as smart water and live water.
Honestly, it's probably just a gimmick anyway.
So I'm kind of cynical about those things.
Let me ask you one more thing about water here.
There's only one right answer to this.
What? Let's say you stop at the gas
station, you go to QuikTrip or whatever Bucky's, you stop at
the gas station and you get your favorite bottled water.
Don't matter how much it cost. Which one are you pulling out of
the cooler? Pick any of them.
So. Favorite bottled water?
The best taste, Not the bottle shape, not the size of the
bottle, not the availability. They're all available to you in
this hypothetical, but the best one?
Again, there's only one right answer and y'all fill up the
comments. Too.
There's only one right answer. There's only one right answer,
so I'm going to scold you if you say the.
Wrong one. Can I be honest with you?
I don't care. No way bro, they do taste
different. They taste different, but it
doesn't. It's not like it matters to the
taste of the waters don't matter.
Like it's still water and I don't care.
This is not like we're talking about a good bourbon or we're
talking about your favorite soda.
It's it's water, man. It doesn't matter to me.
It might matter to you and I think it's OK.
I mean, it's fine. It does you.
It just doesn't matter to me. It's the source of life, my
friend. It's the most important thing.
OK, well I'll tell you then. I'll tell you since you went
with the cop out answer and I'm OK with.
It's not a cop out, it's a truth answer.
Which one's OK? Here we go.
The best tasting 1 is the one that cost me the least.
No way bro. I'm telling you, I don't care.
Well, just don't care. My favorite one's backpacking
exposures. You see his comment?
Hose water. Nope, the most recent comment.
Do you have a new one? That's not that's not water,
that's an energy drink. It's most it's mostly water,
Mountain Dew. Amazing.
It's an energy drink. It's healthy, it's good for you,
gives you, gives you energy. No dude, I'm I'm telling you bar
none the best one. And gosh, I wish they'd changed
their bottle shape because it doesn't fit in my cup holder
ever. Is the Fiji the big Fiji is the
one liter? Fiji is the best taste in water
I think I've ever had. It's overpriced.
I hate buying it, and I hate that the water bottle does not
fit in my truck. But you know, sometimes you got
to make sacrifice. You're going to have the best
water. You're going to have to let the
bottle sit in the passenger seat.
What can you do? I mean, it's like I said, it's
whatever people want. I just don't care.
But I we've got some great comments about this stuff if you
want to see them. I've been trying to catch, I've
been trying to catch a lot of them and I've missed probably
some, but I'm going to go and start us off before we got into
the water, like the actual water talk Suga kata Denzis said.
I use a Nalgene bottle as my pee bottle at night when I'm in my
hammock. Bright yellow.
I'm curious, are you talking bright yellow bottle or the
liquid that's going into it? If the liquid is bright yellow,
drink more water. Just saying.
Then Jeff Peters was answered. He said bladder last Nalgene
next. I I agree with him 100%.
That's exactly what I said So and I think you said the same
thing. So definitely agree with that.
Then Devin got in here and said hose water.
Yeah, take It was good as a kid, not so good as an adult.
No, Brian Winburn said. Liquid death.
Mango chainsaw. Have you been drinking the
liquid Deus? I won't because they cost like 4
bucks for a bottle for a can of water and I'm like I got a water
filter on my refrigerator. I can go buy a mango, eat it and
put a slice in there or something, you know?
Yeah, Bridget's been drinking the liquid deaths and I say I
thought soda was it. She was like, I'm stopping soda
and I was like, great. She's like, I'm starting liquid
death. Like what?
That doubled the budget for your drinks 3.
Liquid deaths cost more than a 12 pack of soda.
That's expensive bro. It's like, oh, it's so
expensive, Nick Rambles said. Fiji.
Yes, where's my applause? But.
Said Fiji Chicken Little Tricks. Said Smartwater.
Alkaline all. Right, I like smartwater
alkaline. MK Ultra's in the house and he
said you ain't never had a cold Fuji water with a cucumber.
Oh, did I say Fuji or Fiji? Which one is it now?
I don't even know. I don't know, man.
I think it was Fiji. You said Fiji, I think.
It's Fiji. Yeah, this one's This is a great
comment. Only real water drinkers get it.
I mean, I drink a lot of water. I just don't care.
Here we go bro. Water tastes so different
depending on the brand. And then the very next comment I
love is no water. Tastes awesome.
Water is water. It's like air, you have to
breathe it. That's where I'm at.
You got to drink it. I don't care about the flavor.
And then the final comment, which I think is really
hilarious. It's outside comfort zone.
I don't know how 4 Loko hasn't jumped on the opportunity to
rebrand as Dumb Water to compete with Smart Water.
Yeah bro, I the four Loko. That would be a funny rebrand.
Dude, what the death. How much money are they making
hand over fist now? I remember they come out those
tall cans and I was like that's weird is that person drinking a
beer right now? What is that?
And then? I have to defend myself.
I have to defend myself, OK? Brian Winburn said.
Says the guy with the Dydema tent.
Yeah, because I don't spend all my money on water.
You can afford the I can afford Dyneema because I don't spend $3
on a bottle of water. I don't even deny that fact.
I don't even deny it. I will buy the I I bought a
Dyneema tent and I love it and guess what?
It keeps me dry and safe. You know what expensive water
does the same thing as regular water.
I'm not going to lie bro, I think that it might be $5 a
bottle. I love Brian.
I'm just, I know Brian. Like I'm just messing with it.
He he knows. He knows.
But somebody said that I always buy essential water.
I don't know what that means, but.
Oh, that's a brand. That's a popular brand.
Got a little big cross on it, Yeah.
Oh yes, Liquid Death is great. The seltzer and soda kind.
They're not $4.00 I'm I could have swore someone for $4.00 at
a gas station. No, you can get like a 12 pack
of them. Well, maybe you can, maybe you
can't. I usually go to a gas station
before I get on the trail anyways and just buy a bottle of
water so I'm not doing any bioliquid death.
Of course, you can't reuse a can so.
Do you think if they if the gas like, let's say you were at a
popular hold on, we'll get to the comment you, you think if
you stopped at like a gas station on the way in, like one
of those up at Red River Gorge, they're serving backpacking side
by sides, hiking all kinds of outdoor stuff.
You think if they had like a free, free frozen section that
that would be popular enough to buy?
Like let's say you're going backpacking.
Do you want a frozen bottle and a non frozen so you got a nice
cold one for later? Or do you think they wouldn't
have enough sales that just be like this is a waste of money?
I don't know. That's a great question.
I guess we'll never know unless you start up a gas station and
start selling them. All right, go ahead.
I know you got some funny comments.
Oh, these, these are just funny. Let me get up here real quick.
Liquid death refers to how it'll kill your ability to be
financially liquid. Got to bust out that credit card
baby Jeff Peters. Liquid death is death to your
bank account. Oh man.
And then Nick Rambles is defendant man.
He's like, look at liquid death. It's actually not that
expensive. If you just get the regular
mountain water, you can buy it in a 12 pack for like almost
$12.00, which is still a dollar more expensive than a 12 pack of
soda. And it's water.
I just want to point out it's water and there's water in this
plus more stuff and I pay more for just the water part.
Yeah, but I think these Liquid Death drinkers are drinking like
the like the Doctor Pepper version of Liquid Death, the
Sprite version of Liquid Death. Like they're drinking the, I
guess it's carbonated water, but with a slight favor to me.
I would say that's kind of like, you know, when they run out of
the carbonation and the syrup at at whatever restaurant and then
they serve it to you and you're like, this tastes terrible.
It's either out of flavor or out of carbonation.
And you're like, it's so flat and nasty.
I think that you're kind of inching toward that direction
with some of this flavored soda water, but I don't think.
Here's one that's like a 12 pack variety pack and this is the
flavored stuff and it's like 25 bucks.
Oh yeah, we're getting an expensive territory here.
Yeah, that's that's not cheap. That's the variety pack.
If I do just the Blueberry Buzz saw, it's $14.00.
So what's the one that's causing it to be so expensive?
Supplies, man. Man, the grim leafer that sounds
like a it can refer to a lot of different things.
You can. There's not a there's not a
price for that one. But I mean, you're still talking
like on the cheap end. 15 bucks for a 12 pack.
Yeah, it's expensive, but you know, soda's expensive too.
Everybody's got their vase. Yeah, yeah.
That's that's true. Backpacking's way more
expensive. Yeah, Oh, gosh, Everything we do
in backpacking is expensive. Hey, let's, let's talk about
something's coming up for you real soon.
Here you are getting ready to go on a kayaking trip this weekend,
saying it might be your last kayaking trip of the summer.
Yeah dude, backpacking season is nearly in full swing for me
right now. Still a little too hot.
I don't know if Jonathan's going to talk about it.
He just took a backpacking trip and he said they had to leave
early because they were hitting, like, heat exhaustion levels.
I think he kind of got sick and, you know, they had to go back to
the car. And yeah, he told me they ended.
Up doing like 24 miles and like over 20 was on one day.
Yeah, I think they've done like 21 and some change, but that day
it was 94° or something. I said I just can't do it, man.
My body, I don't care how ultralight I go, 94°, I can't
backpack. And so I think that September,
man, that's my birthday month. We're going to try to celebrate.
Want to try to get out on trail this.
I'm headed over hit the lake bro.
My last kayaking trip of the season I believe.
Get some fishing in swimming, enjoy the hot weather while I
can and then moving forward. It's going to be trail miles.
I'm looking forward. To it see I'm losing.
I'm losing every weekend in September.
Oh, you're busy guy, huh? What do you got?
Work. My daughter is playing
volleyball. Oh my goodness.
And all of her. Games are on Saturdays and
Sundays so no weekend. No weekend trips for me man.
I'll be doing. I'll probably get out for a few
overnights like during the week here and there, but I won't be
able to do weekends. Well, I've got good news for
you, the trails going to be slow whenever you're on it.
Dude here's the thing, my favorite time to backpack is
about November till March. That is by far my favorite time
to backpack. That is when it's way more
comfortable. I love it, I love it.
I was also going to say on here, just looking at the future, if
anybody is wanting to come hang out, meet some people that do
YouTube or podcasting or whatever in the backpacking
realm, it's kind of regional. You have to live fairly close
by. But unless you just want to
drive super far, I think Tim Buckley's driving like 9 hours.
So if that's you, you be you. Wow I can confirm.
We already said on here the dates, but I can confirm October
10th through 12th are going to be the official meet up dates.
We call the Red River Gorge YouTube meet up.
You don't know where that is, just Google it.
It's in northeastern Kentucky, kind of around the top of Daniel
Boone National Forest. But October 10th through the
12th, I think I'll be there all the days.
I think Bridget, she's probably going to spend one day there and
then head on back and I'll be hanging out with everybody.
But. I'm planning on being there too.
I, we, we did say that we're
going to meet up at Hanson's Point, but I think we're going
to see if we can find a different spot that Hanson's
Point is awesome. It's a dry camp, so you have to
carry in your water and it's a couple miles in.
If you want water. It's about, I don't know, 1/4 of
a mile to 1/2 mile to go get it. You got to hike back to uphill.
But I want to see if we can figure out a good spot that is
not a dry camping spot, but also has views and enough space for
people to spread out. We've had 10 people before.
We've had 40 people before. So it's open to the public.
I'll give more details as we get closer, but for right now I just
have the dates and I think that's about it.
Yeah, it's a good time. Every time we do that meet up.
It's just a lot of fun. And if you can come out for it,
come out for it. You don't have to have a YouTube
channel to come to our YouTube meet up.
No, it's open to the public and if you are like my, if you're
somebody that enjoys this podcast, the stuff that we talk
about on here is kind of like general conversation, a bunch of
gear nerds too. You're checking out everybody's
hammocks and tents and their backpack and what kind of foods
did they bring and sometimes trying all kinds of different
foods too. I don't it's a good time.
Every year I went, I've had fun and I've went.
I guess this is Year 5 maybe? I'm not sure.
I've been I've been the last few years, so all I know is it's a
lot of fun, a lot of cool people show up and be ready to saw a
lot of wood. Yeah, break a saw.
Every every year's a lot of wood sawed.
So now I know if but if Buckley's going to be there, he
is a sewing machine. I remember one year he came and
we came back from a hike or something and next thing you
know, the entire like every tree that had ever existed that had
fallen was sawed up and was sitting there in a pile ready
for the next night. That's the way we like it, dude.
Brian Winburn brought that giant like Cortana and it just eats.
Bro so I'm gonna bring a shot if it's not too far of a hike.
I got a chainsaw I might bring. I got a little electric chainsaw
I bring but. I've got a big electric chainsaw
I might bring. Oh, that I like the sound of
that. And I see in the comments that
yeah, you you can car camp and I thought about that there are a
few drawbacks if you car camp for meet up.
And if we moved it from the gorge to somewhere else, it'd
probably be a little bit more cost effective.
But those are like official gorge campsite.
So it's just a standard fee and you'd have to rent a lot of
spots, but. You know, we will do some
research like we're, we were talking about this the other
day. We could do some research and
maybe we can, we can always change it up if we feel like it.
But we're we're not just that. We haven't decided on like where
yet. Officially so, yeah.
But yeah, we got a couple months till then anyway, so hopefully
meet some new people and hopefully see some familiar
faces too and just hang out and have a good time.
Absolutely. So this is going to be a little
bit shorter episode today, folks.
Jeremiah and I actually have some extra responsibilities
today and so we're going to get out of here a little earlier
than normal. Hope you guys enjoyed the chat
next week. We got a great episode for you.
We're going to talk about some things that hikers don't
normally talk about. And the week after that.
This is exciting. We've got some good friends
coming in Metro on the move and Chris Oconee are going to be
here to talk about their completion of the Appalachian
Trail just recently. Cannot wait for them to come in.
And we want you to do a little homework over the next two
weeks. See, next week's not going to be
live. I'm actually out of town and
we've already recorded the episode, but it will air next
week. But we want you to do some
research over the next two weeks and we want you to come prepared
to talk about your favorite brand of toilet paper to use on
trail. And I'll just leave it at that.
I'll just that's easy out, Mark. Easy out, Mark.
Yep. And if you missed last week, we
had Moose Mutlow on. He was awesome.
Go check that episode out. And for myself and Jeremiah, we
will see you guys on the next one.