Yeah. Put the team on my back.
Welcome to the Backpacking Podcast brought to you by
Outdoor Vitals, makers of Performance First Ultra Light
Gear. And with me always.
The man, the myth, the legend. This guy sitting next to me, Mr.
Jeremiah Stringer, How are you, man?
Dude, I'm doing great. We're here.
We're live on YouTube. Thank you everybody joining us.
I am going to do the world's greatest fake job ever today.
What's that? I have Flu B right now and I
have been flat on my back most of the day, just wiped out.
But you know what, Jeremiah? I love the backpacking friends
that we have in the Backpacking Podcast Nation, and I am not
going to sleep through this episode.
I'm here. Let's do this.
He is ready folks and I will tell you loves you so much.
We made the promise to do AQ and A this week and John is here and
we're going to rock it real quick.
Before we start answering your all's questions, I wanted to say
a huge shout out to Outdoor Vitals.
I was going to let you all know coming up March 26th, I think
it's the release date. Correct me if I'm wrong, John,
if you know the Cirque tent, which is the trekking pole tent
that Outdoor Vitals is releasing, that'll go live.
So we're going to put a link in the description and if you want
to be the first one to know whenever you can purchase that,
then sign up through that link and they'll let you know.
Hey, now is the time to buy. The one thing I'd be scared of
is them if I want it, them selling out before they're able
to restock. So if you're really wanting it,
make sure you click through that link.
And also, John, do you want to tell them about the this being
the last month of the Outdoor Vitals 100 Mile challenge?
Yeah, if you want to get signed up for that, get signed up for
that soon because the time has come.
It is time to get signed up for the Outdoor Vitals 100 Mile
Challenge. And I can promise you, if you
can complete this, there are a few things in this world you're
going to think are better. You could get an Oscar, not as
big of a deal. You could win a Nobel Peace
Prize, not as big of a deal. You could win MVP of the NFL,
not as big of a deal as completing the Outdoor Vitals
100 mile challenge. So get it done, folks, make it
happen and get there and sign up.
Plus, I mean, honestly, just for what you get from signing up,
you get more than what you spend just in signing up for it.
So definitely check it out. It's an awesome, awesome setup
they got going there. Yeah, I couldn't agree more.
And now we posted on YouTube, on Facebook and on Instagram.
We wanted to know what questions did you want us to answer?
And the reason why we come up with this is one, we want
feedback from you all. We'd love to hear what you'll
want us to talk about. But two, we had received an
e-mail a little while back and I don't want to mention the
person's name, but basically they were asking us, how do you
live in a world where you've been married to a person for 10
plus years and then all of a sudden they drop a bomb on you
and say, Hey, I know that you have this huge passion of the
outdoors and hiking and backpacking, but I just cannot
stand it. I don't want to go, I don't want
to hike. I don't want to be out there in
the bugs and the, you know, the ticks and the allergic reaction
to every single plant that's outside.
OK, that that's my wife. My wife, if you ask her, she'll
say the reason she doesn't like the outdoors is because she's
allergic to them, like all of the outdoors.
So. That's a valid excuse.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
We got a lot of people on today. The Pennsylvania contingent is
here. Ben Mcmillan's here, Stone Ape
Adventures, DMS Adventures are here, and they've already raised
over $1000 towards their $10,000 goal, which is pretty stinking
awesome. If you haven't heard more about
that, definitely go check DMS Outdoors or DMS Adventures on
YouTube and see what they're getting into.
It's called the 10/10/10 challenge.
It's pretty cool. Steve writes here.
I love Jay Flow's comedy, says John.
He goes, I I won't guess yours. I'll leave it for someone else.
Oh yeah, for those that don't know, we have, we have song
lyrics at the bottom of each of our screens.
And if you guess those, we'll be sending out sticker packs.
And my plan is to send out a bunch of sticker packs next
week. So if you're going to do, if you
want to win yourself some free stickers, definitely do your
best to guess what our lyrics are and what song they go to and
who the artist is. Because we can't just give you
the song. You got to have the artist
right, Jeremiah. I totally agree.
Yeah. So I want to answer the
questions you sent out because I believe that there's probably
more of us out there that have wives that have no interest in
the outdoors than there are guys whose wives love it as much as
they do. Yeah, and.
Vice versa, Yeah. And vice versa.
Women who love it and guys that don't.
I've got a really good friend who can't stand the outdoors.
We talked about all of us going out and going on a hike and he's
like, I'll watch the kids that day.
Yeah, that's a rare one. Yeah, but it happens.
It does happen. I I've been married now for
almost 12 years. I'll be married 12 years this
year and my wife has hiked with me one time.
Yeah. In 12 years.
What was that like? It was fun because we took the
kids, we went down to Lake to Cumberland Falls and we hiked
down there and we got to climb up on the rocks over there by
the waterfall and we had a blast.
I think she actually might like it, but at this point I think
she's just holding it close to her vest or close to her chest
and she just doesn't want to let it out.
I think she's just at this point she's got to stick to it.
My wife is a little stubborn like me.
And so I think, I think at this point in life, she's just
holding it close and she does not want to let out that she
actually enjoys it. She's.
About to get bit by the bug The hiking bug man.
I'll tell you, man, I'm out once the kids get a little older and
it's kind of like we have to go do this stuff, I think.
I think for my wife, it's not hiking that's the problem.
I think it's the camping out that's the problem.
Yeah, she likes probably sleeping in her own bed, having
running water, having a toilet that works.
It's not just a pit or a a pit that you dug yourself.
Air conditioning, no bugs, the whole 9.
Yeah, well. You can't blame her there, I got
to tell you. So you have some experience with
this? I sort of do too, because my
wife, I, I think she doesn't really love the hiking and
backpack and she, she gets a itching for it about once a
year. And then she'll be like, hey,
when are we going to go on a hiking trip?
And she's got all the equipment and everything.
You can see it behind me. And I think she most of the time
just loves me more than her hate or disdain of the outdoors.
And so she will go with me. But all my friends make fun of
me because it seems like every trip, well, starting out, I'm
not going to lie, I've learned, I've learned John, I've gotten
better every trip. I had it in my mind that she was
going to do. She wanted the style of trip I
wanted to do, which was. No, no, no, no.
I want it to be challenging, a little sketchy, like some fun
stuff, not just hum hauling through the woods, you know?
I want to explore. I want a little bit of danger,
you know, you want to tingle a little bit.
And I also wanted to push the mouse and I'm taller, I can
carry more weight and that is not the kind.
Of and I've hiked with you your your step is about a step and a
half of mine, so you do about 1/3 less steps than I do
backpacking. Yeah, it's livestock fair.
That's for sure. And I'll tell you this, John, my
insurance gives me incentives to do these like different things,
step goals and go to the doctor and go do a dental like dental
cleaning and you get all these little bonuses and then they
give you gift cards and rewards. So a few weeks ago I went and
done my physical and I said, look, can we measure how tall I
am? Because I say on my driver's
license and you can tell them to put whatever you want.
I put on their 6 foot 2 whenever I was like, I don't know, 17
years old, probably when I got it, 16 to 16, you know, 17 years
old. And now I'm 33.
So it's been on my driver's license this whole time, 6 foot
2. So I said, doc, let's take a
look. And they said shoes on or shoes
off. And I said yes.
So we went with shoes on 1st 6 foot four with the shoes on 6
foot 3 without the shoes. Everybody wants to be 6 foot.
And Bridget, I think she's about 5 foot nothing.
So she's working 25% harder than.
Me just to keep pace well and I'm built weird.
So I'm I'm 5 foot 8 but I have the torso of someone who's 6
foot 2. So I've got like these, this
long torso and these stubby little legs.
And so it does not help me when it comes to long distance
running or hiking. And I and I will never do long
distance running. So I don't have to worry about
that part. Hey, we're getting some great
comments on here. I want to make sure we get some
of these up here if we can. Jay Flo asked, but how many
times is your significant other camped with you?
I'm up to three now. When we started this backpacking
podcast, it was never, but we are up to three so and we'll
probably go camping at some point this year.
David Cooper basically shows off by saying I'm lucky my wife
loves camping and backpacking. Whatever David Cooper Ben
McMillan says outdoors. My wife won't even put the
windows down in her car. You think his wife rides on the
back of the motorcycle with? Him.
I hope so. You know, I've seen him post a
lot of pictures of going different places on that bike,
and now he's had, I think, a few different bikes.
Oh yeah, I'm wondering, Ben, let us know how many times has she
made it on a motorcycle ride with you?
She she, he's probably what I would consider a motorcycle
connoisseur at this point. My goldfish Drown says every
backpacking trip JS goes on ends up a struggle not to poop his
pants. Dude, that last one, that last
one I was holding out until I got home was that last week I
talked about that. It was either last week or the
week before, I believe, where I talked about, let's see, I got
the show notes here. Yes, it was last episode 310.
I tried to hold out until I made it home and I did win the game.
Yeah, here's some insights for us.
Check this out. Says you haven't been married
long enough. When you're gone hiking, she
gets the house to herself. 12 years is a long time, I mean.
But yeah, but I mean, that's, that's that's a good, that's a
good way to look at it. Jeff Peters, he's like me.
He says my whole car camping setup is centered around keeping
my wife happy. As long as there's a flush
toilet available and a shower, she can go camping.
Yep. We go to campgrounds.
We don't go primitive. Like there will be some form of
running water somewhere and showers somewhere.
And I bring a portable air conditioner and the whole 9.
And it's all because it makes my wife happy.
I wish I could have the campground experience without
the people. I wish that I had my own little
privacy area. And so I guess the only way to
do that is, you know, to pull your camper behind your truck
and set it up, and then you have your own little campground.
Yeah, somebody has an idea for you on your trips.
Instead of doing the trip video, you just need to do videos of
the trip to and from the hike because it seems like that's
where a lot of the entertainment is on your trips.
Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you.
And then I just get to live the experience of the hike.
That's true. That's true.
So we've got some questions and and the first one we have is
here from Dave off grid and it says what would Jeremiah's UL
loadout look like? Would you rather sleep cold at
night or have the runs from from a SUS Mountain House meal with
no Imodium? Oh man, so we got 2 for the
price of one in this comment. So, so the first one I think
that's that would need to be a whole episode.
The ultralight? Yeah, it don't happen very much.
I don't think I don't think we have that that that one.
But let's go to let's go to the second part of that, which is
would you rather sleep cold at night or have the runs from a
SUS Mountain House meal with no Imodium?
Bro I can power through some cold at night.
I'm with you on that. I'm with you on that.
I'll sleep in the cold. Yeah, that's that's an easy one
for me. I've been, I've been cold before
and it won't be the last time. And I had diarrhea before that
one won't be the last time either.
But if I had to pick, dude, that was miserable, having that
stomach bug on that two trips ago, that savage golf trip.
Yeah, it'll be too soon the next time.
Yeah, I've had it. Yeah, let's just not even.
We're done with that. I think everybody would probably
agree with that one. David Cooper's humble bragging
again. My wife is better at digging
kennels than I. Quit your bragging, David
Cooper. Stop it.
OK, We get it. We get it.
Your wife loves the outdoors. Show off.
Now we'll tell you, John, you said you've been married 12
years. Yes.
My wife and I, soon we'll be celebrating 10 years of
marriage. Yeah, last week we celebrated 15
years of being together. We started dating in high school
and we went to an Indian restaurant, the only Indian
restaurant in this city or town or whatever you want to call it,
and Bridget said I want to go axe throwing after we get done
with the that. I said.
Awesome. Am I talking to my wife here?
She wants to go to an Indian. I remember whenever.
You were not just talking to your wife, you were talking to
your dream woman. That's what you were doing,
Jeremiah. Yeah, I was like, what?
This is like a different. We went from chicken Nuggets and
French fries to let's go eat Indian food and then go axe
throwing. But unfortunately we got to the
axe throwing place and it was a bunch of people doing line
dancing. I was like what is going on in
here? We opened the door and the first
thing you see is AQR code the scan because you have to waive
all the liability because you're throwing axes and you know they
have a full bar and everything in there.
So you got to be careful with the axe throwing, especially
mixing it. Nothing says a good time like
alcohol and axes. Yes.
I assume they're money makers. The bar anyway.
They had a bunch of line dancing in there and then all the axe
throwing stations, they had cornhole tournament going on, he
said. No axe throwing today, so we had
to go do something else. But anyway, what were you going
to say? OK, so we have to show something
today and he's finally online. He wasn't online the other day
or you remember our conversation.
Oh my goodness, you going to do? It so Jonathan Woodall, you're
on here. We figured something out, buddy.
We figured something out and it wasn't just you.
It was a number of people, but we we erased all of them and we
wanted to show you first hand we figured out the problem.
We we totally figured it out. Check this out.
You ready for this? Yeah, if you want to see it too,
make sure you look on YouTube or Spotify.
Look right here, hidden users would all trails.
Now you weren't the only one. There were probably like 7 or 8
names and we didn't know who any of them were.
We didn't even know how they got there.
But they all, they all, we gave them back, but we wanted to hold
off because we wanted to free you live online where you could
appreciate it in person with everybody here.
So Are you ready for this, Jeremiah?
Can you give me a drum drum line or drum roll or something here
real quick? Yeah, absolutely.
Drum roll. Please, here comes hey once you
turn that drum roll up a little louder.
How about this? Oh, there we go.
He's free, folks. Woodall Trails is free.
He can comment on our channel again.
It's official. He's back folks.
We're all trails is back. David Cooper says shadow banning
how did. He's the only name that was in
there that I recognized and that makes sense.
Who knows how many years those other people have been in there.
And then we never saw any more of their comments because
YouTube, just like they just put them in the black hole.
I don't know. And we don't have any
moderation. Like I looked in all of our
settings, there were no moderation settings, nothing.
And yeah, it's just funny. Oh, here's a good question.
Somebody put Jeff Peters actually asked a he did it
right. He wrote big letters.
Question. I've got to wait for it to
actually show up on here. Here we go.
When is the show going to get Darwin or Dixie or Becker or Rue
or Goremeyer, Garmeyer or Justin outdoors or Kyle back on the
show? Well, funny thing, in a few
weeks we are going to have Dixie back on.
Yeah, and she, I, I either went Live Today or yesterday with her
first episode, I believe, of Off Trail with Dixie, which is her
new podcast. So I've been keeping up with her
on Facebook anyway and just seeing what her life is like.
But she's still going strong on YouTube.
I went and checked her YouTube channel.
She's doing consistent videos. I don't know how she has the
time to do these backpacking trips and be a new parent and be
married and she and now she's starting this podcast.
But I'm excited to ask her. I would, I almost say in person,
we'll be doing it virtually, but I'm excited to ask her what life
is like and catch up with her a little bit.
And Darwin, what was the podcast that he was recently on?
Oh, Darwin was just on the Backpacking of Blisters podcast
either this week or last week. And man, let me tell you
something. He he brought up something
really interesting and, and I want to bring it up to you while
we're sitting here talking. Yeah, sure.
So I'm going to ask a question, which is totally not fair, but
I'm going to do it anyways. What were your thoughts on Ultra
Lone Peaks the last time you used them?
Yeah, I switched to the Olympus most recently, but the.
Long peak specific, yeah. The long peak specifically.
I used them on the Long trail so I literally used them for a
month straight. It was the only shoe I wore.
Before them up, folks. Yeah, that's right.
I use them for a month straight there and they did not hold up
well. Like literally after the first
week, my pinky toe was poking out the side and within the
first two or three days, the little guard that's on the front
that they glue that that tab that flaps it come loose.
I mean, almost immediately I was like, what are they glueing this
thing with? So they did not treat me well
and I did not, I'll be honest, REI took them back after my Long
Trail experience and I used, I believe I used the money to buy
something else. I was like, I think I'm done
with the Lone Peaks. But I did use the Olympus and
that is an Ultra product as well so.
The DMS adventure says he still uses them.
But I'm going to be honest with you.
I hate them. I've I, I tried them and they
blistered my feet like no other shoe I've ever had.
They started like, threads started coming loose quickly on
them. And I remember I was just like,
I remember people saying that the one version was good, but
the next version was bad, then the next version was worse.
They kept disliking the versions that they, as they got changed.
And the question was asked to Darwin, why do shoe companies do
that? Why wouldn't they have these
awesome trail runners that everybody loves hiking in?
Do they change the design so drastically for the next ones?
And he had an answer I never would have thought of.
Ever. Are you ready for this?
Oh yes. This is the answer, he said.
And I was like, that's insight, folks.
That is Insight. They're not made for hiking, so
they don't care what hikers think because trail runners are
who they're made for. So they get feedback from trail
runners about what that make them better for trail running,
not for hiking. And they are two very different
things, two very different uses. And as a result, the shoes
themselves will work better for trail running than they will for
hiking, if you can't believe that.
So I thought that was a fascinating thing.
I was. I never even thought about that.
Yeah, it's a, it's a, it's an interesting little epiphany
there because I never would have thought about it either.
Like literally two or three days ago I was shopping for some new
backpacking shoes. And so I went on Hoka's website
and it's got, of course, like any other website, you can
filter what kind of shoes you want, right?
And I clicked on there trail runner hacker and boot I believe
were the like my selections and then size 15 double wide.
And then it pulled up all the shoes that were available and I
was like, OK, yeah, these trail runners look great.
I think I'm going to go with the speed goat sevens, actually,
according to UPS, who told me yesterday, they're arriving
yesterday and they weren't here. Did they go from, did they go
from Chicago to Nashville to Indianapolis to like Saint Louis
back to New York City into you? Is that how that worked out?
You know, I was so excited about getting that new outdoor vitals
gear that I was keeping up with it like hour by hour on where it
was traveling, but the speed goats that I ordered, I was
like, well, they'll show up when they show up.
So that's when I checked it you and they sent me an e-mail
yesterday and it said they're going to be here.
And I was like yes. And then I yesterday about 9 PMI
was like they're not here. And then I checked it and it's
like due to weather they're in the Lexington, KY.
I said what due to weather they're in Lexington, KY.
What what's going on with the weather?
Do y'all have some kind of well I know you're not Lexington, but
you recently? Well, Lexington obviously
doesn't know how to take care of the roads.
They're making national news for how bad they take care of their
roads. I thought that was, I thought
that was fake I saw on Facebook. Like 100% real.
The governor of the state has has not quite issued A mandate
yet, but is all over the mayor of Lexington for how bad they do
their roads in bad weather. Long story short, the they might
be sitting on my porch right now just waiting to be stolen.
I'm not sure. So I'm going to go check as soon
as we're done with the show. So I have some that's kind of
funny when it comes to shipping and then we'll get to the next
questions. There actually is a question
here. So we got a place.
We've had a PlayStation 4 for years that just sits and gathers
dust. We don't use it.
Well, a few weeks ago or a couple weeks ago, my son
discovered all of our DVDs and our Blu rays and was like, dad,
I want to watch these. We don't have any controllers.
We don't have a remote. So I got online, started looking
for the old PlayStation remote that they used to have.
Well the only way you can get one of those if you buy them on
eBay and they're like 100 bucks. Wow.
So I got on I got on Amazon and found one for like 60 or did it
came in Yeah, Playstate, a remote for the PlayStation so we
so we could play. I mean it's the same cost as
like buying a controller. Yeah, roughly.
Which? Which PlayStation did you say
this was the four PlayStation 4, OK.
Yeah, they they play their video games on PlayStation 5.
But anyway, so the remote comes in like great, I put some
batteries in it. The Amazon description was a lie
and I found out that it was a scam and I got ripped off.
So I went to do a return and according to USPS, it hasn't
shipped. It hasn't gotten to us yet.
No, this is this is a good thing, this is a good thing.
Get ready for this. This is great.
So it's still officially hasn't gotten here and I just got a
thing from YouTube. If it doesn't get here in two
days, they'll issue me a full refund.
You got something from YouTube? I'm sorry, from Amazon, OK, from
Amazon. So they said point blank if if
it doesn't arrive by the 20th, we'll give you a refund.
So I've got the remote. It doesn't work.
It was a complete RIP off, but I'm still going to get my money
back because it's lost because I already got it and UPS can't or
the USPSUS Postal Service can't figure out where the heck it is.
So. Yes bro.
Yeah, yeah. All right, let's get a real
question. Let's get a real question.
Go ahead. So when are you both going to
track down the Shul brothers and get them to come back to
YouTube? I have their phone numbers but.
I do too. I do too.
I haven't texted them in a long time.
From looking at their Instagram and stuff, I think they're just
happy being dads. Yeah, I think so.
Different stage of life. Yeah, I just don't think
YouTube's even a thought right now for them.
And I, and I know a couple years ago, right as they were winding
down the channel, you could tell it was getting to be less and
less of an interest for him. They stopped doing as many
podcasts and they stopped doing as much stuff.
They were just kind of, I think having kids and having a family
was a little bit more important at that point.
So that I guess that means that you and I are terrible family
people. That of the year, maybe that of
the year. But yeah, they, I, I mean, I'm
just, I'm speculating, but just from knowing those guys a few
years ago, I think I, I think that they're kind of want,
they've wound down from it doesn't mean we couldn't have
them on the show, maybe. Yeah, they'd be fun to talk to
for a while. And Speaking of by the way, on
the the dad of the year situation, we ordered a remote
because in the bedroom and downstairs we have a projector
instead of ATV and. A bougie like that, aren't you?
Well, you know whenever you do YouTube and they just send you
products like I didn't buy these.
They just I'm like, I don't know why I would need a projector for
a hiking YouTube channel on my personal channel.
But if you want to send it to me, sure.
So I just put it in my bedroom and at a yard sale I paid like
$15.00 for a projector screen that like drops down kind of
like in school. You imagine the map that's, you
know, you pull it down from the board.
It's sort of like that, but it's got its own stand and stuff.
So I put that in the bedroom and wouldn't you know it, my little
boy, ever since he's been able to walk and run around and get
into stuff, somehow the remotes just keep disappearing.
And so they've made it from three foot above the ground to
now 5 feet above the ground because everything scoots up and
Bridget said we need to find this remote.
I said, Bridget, it's just gone. It's gone.
It's not coming back. She said I'm going to order a
new one on Amazon. They're $10.
I said I don't want to waste the $10.
She said, well, I'm getting it. So she ordered the $10 remote.
Next day, found it. So we have one in the package
totally sealed and one that we've been using ever since we
got the projector. And I'm like, you want to send
it back? She's like, no, you know, it's
going to disappear again. Yep.
So now we have the extra projector remote.
Nothing says disappearance like the wandering toddler.
That's all I'm going. To say yeah, two years old and
gone. Oh yeah.
OK, big question.
You ready for this one? Yes, it's a difficult one.
I hope you can handle it. Would you rather have a backpack
that squeaks with every step or have one pair of zip offs with
one zip broken so one leg is always half attached?
First of all, that question was so big it took up more of my
screen it. Took up my entire screen.
I don't know what it looked like on YouTube, but man, on my
screen right now I took up the entire thing.
Yeah, we'll fix that in post. Don't worry.
So, all right, read it to me again.
I was so distracted by how large it was, so zip off.
Zipper's broken. Would you rather have a backpack
that squeaks with every step or only have one pair of zip offs
with one zip broken so one leg is always half attached?
Well, I would probably cut the pant leg off if I had the
zipper, so I'll go with the zipper but take another drink on
the long trail. I took the Osprey and you know
the Osprey 65 liter, it's got a squeaking problem actually.
And Osprey, it was so bad that they were like, hey, if you send
this back to us, we'll fix the squeaking problem and we've
updated it so if you get the new Osprey 65 liter Atmos, then you
won't. This won't happen anymore.
But I had the old one and broke the entire long trail.
It squeaked on me. Sometimes it would stop,
sometimes it wouldn't. But you never knew what you're
going to get. That was that was all the old
Dyneema Z packs backpacks too. I believe most of those had that
same problem. Little squeaker.
Little squeakers, man, Little squeakers.
And what about the pant leg? What if you're forced to?
So I was the only one that didn't have shorts on this last
trip and it was like 85°. Now I didn't get really.
Yeah, I did pull off 3 ticks and not a single other person pulled
off a tick the entire trip. So I'm going to treat my gear
because I'm headed out to the woods not this coming weekend,
but next upcoming weekend and I'm going to use the tick
Terminator spray. You know he.
Says that I'm getting ready to I'm getting ready to reapply to
all my stuff that'll. Kill anything man, so careful
where you spray it. But I'm going to retreat my gear
dude and before I head out to the woods.
But anyway, I don't remember. Oh yeah, yeah, the shorts.
I started saying, I don't remember what we're talking
about, but the shorts. Everybody had those zip off
pants. And I was so jealous.
And then it was so funny. Evil Sean the next day couldn't
figure out how to zip it back on.
So he had one on, but one off, just like the question saying.
And then I was like, what are you going to do, man?
And he's like, well, I can't get this one back on.
So then he had to spend the rest of the trip with just shorts on
because he had to take the other one back off.
But anyway, back to you. John Well, I'm going to be
honest, if it was me, I would take the backpack because I hate
those pants. Really.
I hate them like the zipper always gets caught on a on a leg
hair and I'll be walking along and it pulls on one of my leg
hair. So I'm just like, come on, man,
It's I I'm I'm good. I don't ever wear those pants.
You ever get the? I don't.
I don't normally wear compression underwear but I like
them for backpacking because I think they helped me with.
What a pivot. Well they're it's tidying.
It's tidying. So I don't normally like to wear
them but I take them backpacking because I think they help with
the preventing chafing like between your legs.
But what gets me is certain brands pull your leg hairs.
Does that ever happen to you? Oh yeah.
You're walking along and I don't know if it's the.
It hurts like crazy. Yeah, it's the.
Way the fabric stretches when you're walking and it clips a
little hair, but gosh, that drives me.
Nuts. Oh, it's terrible.
It's absolutely terrible. So you know how we were talking
about the Backpacking and Blisters podcast just a minute
ago? Yes.
They have a question for us so, and it's this do real
backpackers like you guys always have matching shirts and packs?
Now I've got to give people some.
This is why he's asking that question.
This is the image that Jeremiah posted on our on our Instagram
to get questions. For $21.13 a month you too can
have ChatGPT 5.2 and you can create any image.
You can create any image that you want within the defined
parameters of whatever the company that owns ChatGPT is.
Open AI think is the is the company.
Yeah, it's just funny that in this one, you're the one with
the big mouth and I'm the one that looks inquisitive.
That's just totally backwards so.
You know, the photo that I fed into it to use our faces was
whenever we were at your house last.
And we had what I use every time, yeah.
I was like why do I look so surprised?
But sometimes it takes so long to think about the images and
you've like done prompts over and over to make make it exactly
what you want that you're like OK done is better than perfect.
So I did have to do some reef sizing and stuff.
But yes for the small process price of $20.00 a month ChatGPT
will be your personal. I noticed that it didn't put
what time on there and that was my.
Fault. Well, you know it is, it is our
Q&A. So you know it's going to be
there at 4:00 or 4:30. So I mean.
Somewhere in there. So we're good.
We're good, you know, and, and to answer the question, no,
we've never had matching. We've never had matching shirts.
We have had pseudo matching backpacks at one point.
Wait, what about the backpacking with Dad?
I think that we did have matching shirts one time at your
house because Jason was on Mr. Backpacking with Jason, Sir.
Put some respect on it and we got him Backpacking with Dad
shirts. That's right.
That's probably the only time that we've ever done that.
And when we had our chicken tramper backpacks and we were
backpacking together. Oh yes, that's right, I had a
shirts made for chicken. Did I have you want made?
As well, you had as each as chicken tramper shirt made,
which the logo ended up coming off of mine.
So it's just a nice blank shirt now.
But but we had the we had the backpacks.
There were different colors, but they were matching backpacks.
There were identical backpacks. Which backpack was that?
The chicken trampers. OK.
I don't know how many liters those those are. 45 but we had
to make them 50 for us. Yeah, you need a little extra
space, man. Yep, Yep.
Or at least. I do.
And I have one other question for us that I think would be,
that's actually a really good question.
So what guests have you had on the show that you'd most like to
backpack with that you've never gone with?
Man, you only get to pick one. I think this one's kind of easy
for me because I think it'd be fun.
OK, go ahead. I think it'd be Dixie.
Yeah, that would be fun. I have a lot of questions.
I think it'd be a lot of fun to backpack with Dixie and see if
she's really that sweet when she's slipping on mud or
something breaks or she gets bit by a bug or something.
Like I want to see. I want to see frustrated, angry
Dixie and how she handles it because she's so sweet on
everything. I think I'm going to throw you a
curveball here. I think I'm going to go Jeff
Garmeier throwback. I think, I think that I'm going
to catch him on day three of no sleep all hallucinations and I'm
just going to enjoy the ride. Bro we're going backpacking in
Crocs and we're not going to stop until we hallucinate from
lack of sleep. He's going to be the tiger.
And what animal are you going to wear?
Yeah, he's the Tiger King. I don't know, man.
What? What would it be?
I don't know man. I have to think on that one he
he might have me beat when the animal.
And David Cooper says JK wants to see Dixie break.
You know, I don't want to see Dixie break.
I just want to see how she handles, like, difficult things
because she's so, like, together, you know what I mean?
Like, in her videos, she's just so together.
And I'm curious when things get crazy how she's going to do so.
Well, you might get to see a different side of her on her the
podcast, because I assume that that's all one take.
See, we're live here. So whatever you say is out in
the ether, whether you like it or not, you mess up, you keep
rolling with it, and there's no going back.
What most podcasts though do edit.
That's. True, that's true, those
podcasts do edit. So I mean unless she's live
streaming there's a strong chance there will still be
edits. So that means you have to go
back and watch our episode with Dixie if you want to see the
true live version because we had her live on here so people could
ask questions while we were recording, if I remember
correctly. Yep, we did.
You want me to give you a question from our Facebook page,
The Backpack Podcast? Absolutely.
All right, this question comes from Rich.
Whether it be cottage or big box, what gear improvements or
new gear items do you feel have made the most significant impact
to your kit since you started backpacking?
So basically from the time that you started to the time now,
what are we seeing? And I'm seeing lighter and
lighter backpacks, like even that carbon Evo 50 that the
outdoor models came out with. Yeah, that you're everything's
getting so light. It's like it's and you don't
have to pay an arm and a leg. For it, but a lot of it feels
bulletproof, like I'm still rocking that Z pax our call from
like four or five years ago and it is still like rock solid like
it's been on hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of miles
and it's it's fine. You know, I'm not seeing
improvement on the shoes though. You know what?
You know what I'm I'm interested in that I don't have, but I'm
looking forward to trying out. Apparently Sawyer has redone the
Sawyer Mini. They now have the Sawyer Mini 2
and apparently it's extremely trustworthy.
Let's just say that like super dependable now.
Like it doesn't, it doesn't clog up.
At least that's the reports going around right now that it
doesn't clog up like the old one used to.
Well, I threw mine in the trash on the Long Trail.
Yeah, so. Oh my gosh, how many?
How many in one episode man is there?
A little. It feels a little tipsy over
there on the other side of the screen.
Drinking a lot of AL 8 over here.
And for people want to know, it's a soda.
Just throwing that out there. But yeah, they say, they say.
And Darwin actually used it when he was in Alaska last year.
You know the you're talking about it being more bulletproof?
The backpacks. I found my first tear in my
hyper lot and that was, I feel like a bulletproof backpack, but
I'm finally getting some wear and tear.
I take it on so many trips though, because it's it fits so
much stuff in there. Yeah, put your little extra
cooler in. There and they, they are
deceptively big. I mean they are honestly, I
don't know how they do their sizing, but they do it different
than everybody else because I think there's actually is how
big they say it is. I think so too and what's weird
is when I bought it I think it's at 3400 but they have different
leaders in the 3400 and. Dude, OK, so I got to, I got to
put this comment up here. Yeah, hit us with the comment.
Marcus Rawls, Good dude. Because I thought you were a
quick draw guy, John. Yeah, there was a time.
And then the last two quick draws that I bought didn't work.
Two straight out-of-the-box did not work.
What's the deal you think that's user error?
What backed me up here? I would say I would say it was
user error if it only happened one time.
I'm sensing the. Pattern of I'm sensing a
pattern. I'm sensing a pattern of bad.
And I wasn't the only one, there were forums on this.
So defective they're just sending out.
They were sending out defective ones and even even Devin got 1
the same time I bought one of them.
So yeah, Marcus was with me when I had one of those new ones.
Well, nothing would come out of it.
I just think see Marcus is backing me up here in the in the
chat. I don't think it's backing up.
I think he's messing with me. There's a huge difference there,
Jeremiah. You know, I'll, I used the quick
draw. I thought it was very innovative
that they put the caps on it. Yeah, but now?
I think you can get those caps for the Sawyer so.
Well, honestly, it was. It was my favorite.
But when you spend 3540 bucks on a on a filter and you buy two of
them and they're dead on arrival.
That's not OK. That's not cool.
So I can't, I can't back them up anymore.
Yeah, I did. I got my money back on the
second one. OK, the first, the first one you
just ate the cost. Yeah, I ate the cost on that one
because I assume maybe I did something wrong.
And then when I got the second one it didn't work either.
Then I'm like, OK, no, we're good.
I got a poop. Question here if you want.
Oh, let's hear it. All right, hold on.
Poop, poop, poop. It's poop time.
If I was more professional, I would have been ready with a
poop button instead of telling you to hold on.
But that's OK. We need.
To make one of those with with harmonies.
Well, I don't know how to do that, John, but I'm I'm happy to
send you the clip. I'll harmonize with you.
There you go. This is actually from what All
Trails on our Facebook page. He says you get to camp the
first night, but you know you're losing the game.
The don't poop in the woods game, for the record, right?
Any new viewers, you check your poop kit and you forgot to
restock it and pack your bidet. Would you rather use 1A pine
cone and wash it off in the stream near camp or two use a
mixture of Moss off nearby rocks and leaves?
So like Moss and leaves basically?
Is that what he's saying? He's saying that you can use the
pine cone, but you get to wash it off the mixture.
You can use a mixture of Moss off nearby rocks and leaves.
This sounds like. A OK, so Moss off nearby rocks
and leaves and leaves, Moss and leaves, Moss and leaves,
basically. You mean you don't want to clean
up with a pine cone? I don't know if my this
conversation's appropriate for public conversation.
No, absolutely not. I, I would, I would definitely
be doing leaves and Moss and I will share something with you.
I have actually done leaves and Moss.
So yeah, I've, I've been there and I've had to do it and be
careful times. It's just what you got to do.
Actually Moss isn't that bad honestly, but.
I have. I'm a little nervous with Moss.
I've done leaves I haven't done. Moss I've done.
Moss and it's not that bad, but the problem with Moss is if
there's Turkey mots in there because I have sit down on top
of like a little Moss patch before on top of a rock just
sitting taking a break and dude, it'd eat me up and I had to I
put cream. I had to get steroid shots went
to the doctor and she said you have to sleep in this cream and
it went from my neck down to my feet and she's like sleep all
night in this. So maybe I'm misreading the
question. Jeff Peters, he says Moss.
How is Moss versus pine cone even a question?
Well, what all trail he might be driving home from work right
now, so I don't. Know well I think he's saying
it's either the pine cone or Moss or leave or Moss and
leaves. Like you could choose between
Moss and leaves or a pine cone. Oh well then how?
Would that's how I'm reading it. If if that's how you're going to
twist my arm, then depending on the leaf I would go with leaves.
Probably. But then you've got these
comments from our friend Melissa, the unlikely hiker.
She says ticks are in leaves. She says I'll do Moss or a pine
cone. Yeah, you got ticks, you got
chiggers and I don't know, I guess Poison Ivy, poison oak for
the leaves. That would be a bad combo.
Yeah, and, and here's what he says.
Need green leaves to start brown crunchy ones.
Breakthrough. Yeah, you might be wiping with
your hand. Look at You better have a lot of
soap. That's all I'm saying.
You better have a lot of soap if you're going to use those brown
leaves. Brian Windburn, fellow Kentucky
man, bringing us the laughter. That's good.
We love Brian. OK, I got one more on Facebook
if you want. Yeah, let's hear it, man.
This is from Gregory actually. He gave us 2 questions on here.
When are we going to get our next JSJK adventure?
And secondly, what is your favorite second or third day
meal that is not freeze? Dried.
My favorite meal that's not freeze dried.
Well, you know, we talk a lot on this show that when I'm.
Back No, I'm just making sure that's what it says.
That's what it says. It's a steak.
Well, he says beyond a steak, you have a favorite.
Yeah, he was prepared because Gregory listens to the.
Show. Yeah, yeah, I got this.
I got this. Me and me and my buddy Josh did
this and there's video proof of it.
We did shrimp with like Peppers and onions and asparagus.
Was it the winter time so your shrimp stayed cold until you
cooked? It was it was springtime.
We froze it. OK, we froze it.
We marinated it and then froze it and then brought it with us.
And that was our dinner that night.
We we cooked the shrimp over by the fire and we threw it all
kinds of it was great. Man, that was so good.
That sounds delicious. It's almost like a little stir
fry or a what is it? At the Mexican restaurant, they
bring it on the cast iron skillet.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, Like fajitas.
Yeah, fajitas. Chef Peters, I got to throw this
up there, he says. Pine cones are spiked grenades.
Yes, absolutely. I have to ask Jonathan what he's
thinking on that one again. Maybe I just read it wrong.
My my meal the last trip that I went on was one night.
I bought some of that Tennessee pulled pork or actually I don't
pulled chicken, but you can buy it at like Walmart or Kroger or
Publix or whatever and it comes in a black piece of plastic, but
it's got like a Tennessee whiskey cover over it.
Have you seen these? Like it comes pre made.
You just heat it up in the microwave.
Pulled pork or pulled chicken. I like to take that and if it's
cold outside, no big deal. You can just take it with you.
And then the second night I stopped at Dollar General and
got that chicken Alfredo that I get dignity the previous trip
because I had the bubble guts. And so I took the chicken
Alfredo and both both of those meals you can just throw in your
cook pot and heat it up like you don't need a microwave, even
though there's only microwave. Those are bachelor meals, is
what I call. It.
Oh, absolutely. And all you really need to cook
pot and some Doritos. Yeah, that makes sense.
That makes sense. That works.
And what about our trip, John?
You were not. You were unable to make the meet
up last year. Yes.
I don't think we have anything scheduled, but.
Jeremiah has an awful summer, so we might be having a chance.
Yeah, summer break is a good time, but just cuz I'm on summer
break, John still has a full time job so.
But I can take a day or two off during the week occasionally so.
Arrangements will be made we. Will be making it and and we're
doing our vacation in March this year so I will have free time
through the summer that I didn't have last year, so that'll be
good. Excellent.
Well, thank you, Gregory for the fantastic questions.
I got a great question for you and it's far too big to post on
screen. If you thought that other one
filled up the screen, this one would blow it up.
But this is actually from YouTube.
It says you're 13 miles into a Six Mile day hike.
Did you catch that? 13 miles into a Six Mile, that's
a rough day. You'll you realize that there's
no chance you'll make it back to your car, but fortunately you
find a cabin in this remote wilderness area.
You decide to bunk in the cabin, but as you turn the knob, it's
locked. At the same time, a crazy storm
begins and your options are hunker down outside or break
into the cabin. There's a sign that says
trespassers will be shot. What do you do this?
Is a tough one man. This is a day.
Hike. We're not bringing like tents
and stuff with us, right? Around here, trespassers will be
shot is a pretty serious sign. I don't know if you'll.
Mess around with that in Kentucky.
You don't mess around in Kentucky.
Yeah, you get into the wrong holler and it's not exactly
safe. Now, what he didn't say was
whether or not they had a porch. That's true.
If you want to crash under the porch, stay out of the weather.
A crazy storm, I think. I don't want to break into the
cabin, but what are you supposed to do?
Find you a big tree and hunker down under it and try not to get
wet now. Something I do if I know it's
going to rain, because he didn't say that we didn't know the
storm was coming. If I know there's going to be
rain and I'm going for a day hike, a lot of times I'll bring
a tarp with me. That's easy.
Yeah, cheap insurance. And then I just set it up
between a couple trees. If it's raining, we just sit
there and wait out the storm. I got to say I cannot live on
the air, say I'm going to break into a place so.
I'm not if it says, if it says trespassers will be shot.
That's a verbal contract in Kentucky.
Well, if there's nobody there though, then are they going to
be checking up on you? Do they have?
Well, here's the thing, here's the thing, you find you find the
cabin and it's locked, visit locked because they're in bed
asleep. Good point.
So if you break in the door, I'm going to tell you what if I'm in
my house so it breaks in my door, there's it's probably not
going to be good for you. I'm just going to leave it at
that. I can say anything else.
Same, same. It's.
Not going to be good for you. Don't break into my house.
So I'm personally I'm I'm not breaking in.
I'd rather be soaking wet and cold than shot.
I think I'm going to stick with you, John.
Looks like we're going to be sitting out.
We can it be like in Forrest Gump whenever Forrest and Bubba
lean up against each other so neither of them has to lay in
the rain, in the mud. That'll be me and you, bro.
We'll just sit there and look at that sign saying trespassers
will be shot. One more nice and safe.
And I can't imagine that the person is going to be like, why
didn't you guys just knock on the door?
Yeah. Good point.
That would be our luck. That would honestly be our luck.
David Cooper says what's the worst tasting backpacking meal
that you've ever had? Brand and flavor?
Well, we're not going to get sponsored by them.
Whoever you're about to say, John, I don't know who it is.
I bet Mountain House. I'm going to say Mountain House
and I'm going to say it's a beef stroganoff.
That is the one that all kinds of people like.
Yeah, I know. And that's probably why it's my
least favorite, because I was expecting more out of it.
I was actually backpacking with Crow down in Alabama and I
brought it down with me and I remember I put salt and pepper
in it and I could not get the flavor to improve at all.
It was the most bland thing I've ever eaten in my life.
I remember thinking to myself the only reason Tim Watson like
this is because he was sponsored by these guys, because there's
no chance he actually thought this was good.
He's probably stopping at McDonald's on the way and
getting extra salt and pepper packets and maybe a cheeseburger
for the back pocket. Yeah, I just didn't get it.
It was. It was one of easily the most
bland things I'd ever eaten in my life.
Not a big fan. If you want the honest answer, I
probably can't give it because it was some meal that was sent
to me by one of these companies and I was like this is terrible
and I didn't finish it and then the rest is history.
But. Is that company still around?
Well, I don't. I don't know the name of the
company because whenever this would have happened, it would
have made such a small imprint on me that I wouldn't give it
the time of day to try to remember it.
I'd be like, I'm never buying this again or I've never ordered
this. I've never endorsed this and
I'll probably just moved on with my life.
But if you want my, my backup answer, I don't really like that
breakfast skillet by Mountain House either.
I'm, I think it's, it's like mixing all your breakfast food
together and I don't know, I don't want somebody to chew up
my breakfast and spit it in the bag and then I eat it because
that's kind of what it feels like.
If you don't, if you have some, if you see something from
Mountain House, you think boy that looks good, get it from
Peak Refuel. Dude their breakfast is so much
their biscuits and gravy. It's like an actual biscuits.
It's two biscuits. Yes.
There's two biscuits in the bag. It's awesome.
They make them itty little little, little itty bitty.
But Nova. Cooper said the peak refuel beef
stroganoff is amazing. He's right.
I see beef lasagna on mountain. Mountain House rebranded
everything. I pulled up their website to see
if I recognize any meals. Everything looks so much better
on the packaging. Yeah, I bet it tastes the same.
You know, somebody brought up spam over the fire.
I'm not going to lie, I like me some spam.
That's the best place to eat spam.
You just put it on a stick. Yeah, yeah.
I got a question that's geared towards you from YouTube,
Jeremiah. Yes.
Would you like to hear it please?
All right, it says. What is the release date for
Jeremiah's new merch line? Created by John, of course.
I should not have given you permission.
I should have just eaten that one.
Well, I got to be honest, it's not coming down the pipeline at
the moment. That one's on the back burner.
So have you finally quit with a lie that after so many viewers
and so many, so many subscribers, you're going to
have merch? Did you finally quit with that?
We're trying to reach 100,000 subscribers and I'm doubling
down producing no content, gaining no traction.
But I'm doubling down 100,000 Subs and we will release a
viewer designed T-shirt. There you go.
There you. Go sure it won't be great.
Oh man, I couldn't help but post that one.
Man, I thought that was great. I thought that was absolutely
great. Just a little dig there.
Just a little dig. I've got another one from
Melissa here. I was actually just getting
ready to post it. Oh well, go ahead, go ahead.
Let me let me get it on here because I want to make sure
everybody can read this one. It's a little long.
It says we're, we're, we're seven too many, but we're going
to, I'm going to take off the last 7 letters and I'll tell
everybody what it says. So, OK, Are you ready for this?
Do it it. Says you climb to a pass at over
12,000 feet and as you do a severe storm breaks out with
lightning striking all around with cold rain and hail.
Do you continue through the pass or hunker down in a stand of
trees? 12,000 feet with lightning all
around you. I mean, I think what you're
supposed to do is Sprint down the mountain, but I don't This
podcast is not intended to give you advice.
There's my disclaimer. We're not trying to save lives
here. We're trying to entertain.
So not going to lie dude, my very very first backpacking trip
I was I was hiking and I met this through hacker on the AT
named hatchet Man. And Hatchet man told me a couple
of days ago that he got stuck in this situation.
Now it wasn't 12,000 feet because there's no mountains
that high on the AT, but I don't even know what the highest
mountain is on the AT, but I don't think it's about. 5 or
6000 isn't it? Yeah, I think it's like 6500,
maybe. It's under 7000 feet.
And you can Google it if you want.
And he told me he was on top of the mountain, and this started
happening to him. Severe weather, lightning
strikes struck a tree not far from him.
And he said that he ditched all of his gear, even threw his
watch down. And I was like, I don't think I
would have kept the watch. Bro threw his watch down because
he was afraid of the metal, his trek and poles, ditched it all
and sprinted as fast as he could down the mountain and then
hunkered down at a lower elevation and then went back and
got his stuff. And I was just thinking, is that
really the right move? Is that what you're, if I was in
that situation, would I ditch my watch because it's metal?
Or are you supposed to like hunker down?
You're supposed to stay away from trees.
So I'm not really sure. Can I be honest?
This is going to this is, it's dumb on my part.
I'm just going to say it because it's who I am.
I don't want to have to re hike miles.
So I'm going to keep going. I'm just going to be honest.
I've hiked in so many thunderstorms at this point in
my life, and I'm probably very fortunate that I've never died
from lightning strikes, but I just, I'm probably going to
keep. Going well, I'm not going to go
through the past. We we did have a situation like
this whenever we were in Colorado.
Oh, get this so so people are going to here's some comments
Yeah, checking little tricks. I'm going to keep moving and
unlikely hiker I did. Wow, went right through it.
Those passes are so scary with weather rolling in.
Dude, 1:00 at one of those passes, you don't want to be
there with those storm crowd. We we hunkered down, we set up a
tarp. It was hailing on us.
I mean, I have it in the video. Believe it or not, I produced a
video for that tree. David Cooper says get off the
pass. Yeah, I mean, there's different
people are saying different comments.
J Flo retracted his comments. So I don't know what that one
is. Well, we backtracked, we
backtracked and got into the tree line and hunkered down and
just hope we didn't get struck by lightning.
But that I mean, that's, that's all I knew to do.
I mean when you don't have any. Likely hiker said she stopped.
Oh, she stopped. She stopped.
I thought she said she went through.
Yeah, she said. She stopped.
But this is probably why my wife won't let me try and climb Mount
Everest, because I'll probably actually like when I should
have, should turn around and go back.
I won't. Hey, let me before we wrap here,
let me give a little shout out and little praise to a former
multi time guest on the show, Benny Braden.
Yeah, and if you're unfamiliar with him, go hit him up on
Facebook. Send him your thoughts and
prayers. He's an outdoorsman as well and
also a former EMSEMT Firefly first responder, basically.
And he works a lot with helping people overcome PTSD as a result
of being in those fields. Because if you don't, if you
haven't thought about it, first responders see a lot of terrible
things, especially when it comes to car accidents.
And, you know, just responding to the calls.
And he's seen a lot of terrible things.
And he helps other people get through those.
And I can only imagine how tough that is.
But he experienced a car accident that left him in a
pretty bad spot. And he had surgery a couple of
days ago. It's been a few days.
If you're listening this Friday. And we just want to say thoughts
and prayers out to Benny Braden. We're thinking of you.
We're praying for you. Hope you recover well from your
surgery after going through that with car accident.
I think it's, I think it's about all I had to say about it.
Yeah, Benny's just a good man, that's all I must say.
He's just a good man. He he genuinely cares about
people and he he sees the best in people and he does everything
he can to help people. And big fan of Benny's and so
definitely been praying for him and hoping that that he heals up
quick. So yeah.
Tennessee Local. Yes Sir.
Well with that said, this has
been a fun episode man. Yeah, dude, fun little Q&A.
I'm glad you had the idea to do AQ and A this week.
Actually, I think it was your idea.
Oh. I thought it was your idea, but
I'll take credit if you want to give it to me that.
That initial question that we had.
You brought up. What if we did AQ and A and I
was like, that's a great idea. I have the question verbatim.
We've already moved on from it, but yeah, I have it.
Yeah. I think it's always fun getting
feedback from the viewers. That's that's why we love doing
the live streams. If anybody ever wants to be on
here and interact with us live and not just listen, we love for
you listening to, of course, sit back and enjoy.
Go on your run or your hike or whatever you're doing right now,
driving in your car, going to Chipotle, whatever you're doing,
We love you listening. But if you ever want to interact
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Standard Time, 4:30 PM. We hop on YouTube and live
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it's accessible. Spotify, YouTube, Apple Podcasts
and everywhere you get your podcasts.
Absolutely. And we do have merch, so if you
go on our YouTube channel, you should be able to see where our
merch is. There's a link there on the
channel and you can buy actual shirts that have the backpacking
podcast on it. It would be great if you guys
wore those and shot pictures to us on Instagram of you guys
wearing those shirts and we'll put those up on the podcast
because I, I think it'd just be cool to see people wearing
backpacking podcast shirts. I agree.
I think it'd be fun and fantastic, John.
It it is good swag. Let me tell you, it's good swag.
And with that said, thank you guys for tuning in and we will
catch you next week on the next one.