1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:03,320 Yeah. Put the team on my back. 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,440 Welcome to the Backpacking Podcast brought to you by 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,800 Outdoor Vitals, makers of Performance First Ultra Light 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:10,200 Gear. And with me always. 5 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:13,200 The man, the myth, the legend. This guy sitting next to me, Mr. 6 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,360 Jeremiah Stringer, How are you, man? 7 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,440 Dude, I'm doing great. We're here. 8 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:24,720 We're live on YouTube. Thank you everybody joining us. 9 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,280 I am going to do the world's greatest fake job ever today. 10 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:35,600 What's that? I have Flu B right now and I 11 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,840 have been flat on my back most of the day, just wiped out. 12 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:45,000 But you know what, Jeremiah? I love the backpacking friends 13 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:49,120 that we have in the Backpacking Podcast Nation, and I am not 14 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:51,200 going to sleep through this episode. 15 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:52,760 I'm here. Let's do this. 16 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:57,800 He is ready folks and I will tell you loves you so much. 17 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:03,720 We made the promise to do AQ and A this week and John is here and 18 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:04,920 we're going to rock it real quick. 19 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:09,080 Before we start answering your all's questions, I wanted to say 20 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,280 a huge shout out to Outdoor Vitals. 21 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:16,720 I was going to let you all know coming up March 26th, I think 22 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,360 it's the release date. Correct me if I'm wrong, John, 23 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:24,040 if you know the Cirque tent, which is the trekking pole tent 24 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,160 that Outdoor Vitals is releasing, that'll go live. 25 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,720 So we're going to put a link in the description and if you want 26 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,600 to be the first one to know whenever you can purchase that, 27 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,400 then sign up through that link and they'll let you know. 28 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:41,160 Hey, now is the time to buy. The one thing I'd be scared of 29 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,960 is them if I want it, them selling out before they're able 30 00:01:43,960 --> 00:01:45,840 to restock. So if you're really wanting it, 31 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:47,360 make sure you click through that link. 32 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,400 And also, John, do you want to tell them about the this being 33 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,880 the last month of the Outdoor Vitals 100 Mile challenge? 34 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,240 Yeah, if you want to get signed up for that, get signed up for 35 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,600 that soon because the time has come. 36 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,960 It is time to get signed up for the Outdoor Vitals 100 Mile 37 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,920 Challenge. And I can promise you, if you 38 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,640 can complete this, there are a few things in this world you're 39 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,680 going to think are better. You could get an Oscar, not as 40 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,120 big of a deal. You could win a Nobel Peace 41 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:17,880 Prize, not as big of a deal. You could win MVP of the NFL, 42 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,280 not as big of a deal as completing the Outdoor Vitals 43 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,360 100 mile challenge. So get it done, folks, make it 44 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,040 happen and get there and sign up. 45 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,280 Plus, I mean, honestly, just for what you get from signing up, 46 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,720 you get more than what you spend just in signing up for it. 47 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,440 So definitely check it out. It's an awesome, awesome setup 48 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,120 they got going there. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. 49 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:47,320 And now we posted on YouTube, on Facebook and on Instagram. 50 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:52,320 We wanted to know what questions did you want us to answer? 51 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:57,440 And the reason why we come up with this is one, we want 52 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,520 feedback from you all. We'd love to hear what you'll 53 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,240 want us to talk about. But two, we had received an 54 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:06,360 e-mail a little while back and I don't want to mention the 55 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:10,040 person's name, but basically they were asking us, how do you 56 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:15,240 live in a world where you've been married to a person for 10 57 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,080 plus years and then all of a sudden they drop a bomb on you 58 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:22,400 and say, Hey, I know that you have this huge passion of the 59 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:27,320 outdoors and hiking and backpacking, but I just cannot 60 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,560 stand it. I don't want to go, I don't want 61 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,000 to hike. I don't want to be out there in 62 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:36,160 the bugs and the, you know, the ticks and the allergic reaction 63 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,040 to every single plant that's outside. 64 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,080 OK, that that's my wife. My wife, if you ask her, she'll 65 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,560 say the reason she doesn't like the outdoors is because she's 66 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,600 allergic to them, like all of the outdoors. 67 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:49,760 So. That's a valid excuse. 68 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:51,000 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. 69 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,760 We got a lot of people on today. The Pennsylvania contingent is 70 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,840 here. Ben Mcmillan's here, Stone Ape 71 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,760 Adventures, DMS Adventures are here, and they've already raised 72 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:05,360 over $1000 towards their $10,000 goal, which is pretty stinking 73 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,240 awesome. If you haven't heard more about 74 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,920 that, definitely go check DMS Outdoors or DMS Adventures on 75 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:12,880 YouTube and see what they're getting into. 76 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,800 It's called the 10/10/10 challenge. 77 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,760 It's pretty cool. Steve writes here. 78 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,079 I love Jay Flow's comedy, says John. 79 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,160 He goes, I I won't guess yours. I'll leave it for someone else. 80 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,400 Oh yeah, for those that don't know, we have, we have song 81 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,440 lyrics at the bottom of each of our screens. 82 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,840 And if you guess those, we'll be sending out sticker packs. 83 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,560 And my plan is to send out a bunch of sticker packs next 84 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,400 week. So if you're going to do, if you 85 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:45,400 want to win yourself some free stickers, definitely do your 86 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:49,000 best to guess what our lyrics are and what song they go to and 87 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,440 who the artist is. Because we can't just give you 88 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:52,800 the song. You got to have the artist 89 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,480 right, Jeremiah. I totally agree. 90 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:57,280 Yeah. So I want to answer the 91 00:04:57,280 --> 00:05:00,440 questions you sent out because I believe that there's probably 92 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,880 more of us out there that have wives that have no interest in 93 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,640 the outdoors than there are guys whose wives love it as much as 94 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:08,360 they do. Yeah, and. 95 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,160 Vice versa, Yeah. And vice versa. 96 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:11,680 Women who love it and guys that don't. 97 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:17,080 I've got a really good friend who can't stand the outdoors. 98 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:19,840 We talked about all of us going out and going on a hike and he's 99 00:05:19,840 --> 00:05:21,440 like, I'll watch the kids that day. 100 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,880 Yeah, that's a rare one. Yeah, but it happens. 101 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,120 It does happen. I I've been married now for 102 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,320 almost 12 years. I'll be married 12 years this 103 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:34,600 year and my wife has hiked with me one time. 104 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:36,720 Yeah. In 12 years. 105 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,480 What was that like? It was fun because we took the 106 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:45,640 kids, we went down to Lake to Cumberland Falls and we hiked 107 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,560 down there and we got to climb up on the rocks over there by 108 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,680 the waterfall and we had a blast. 109 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,480 I think she actually might like it, but at this point I think 110 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,640 she's just holding it close to her vest or close to her chest 111 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:58,960 and she just doesn't want to let it out. 112 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,920 I think she's just at this point she's got to stick to it. 113 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:03,440 My wife is a little stubborn like me. 114 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,120 And so I think, I think at this point in life, she's just 115 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,280 holding it close and she does not want to let out that she 116 00:06:08,280 --> 00:06:09,960 actually enjoys it. She's. 117 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,480 About to get bit by the bug The hiking bug man. 118 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:16,360 I'll tell you, man, I'm out once the kids get a little older and 119 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,480 it's kind of like we have to go do this stuff, I think. 120 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:20,640 I think for my wife, it's not hiking that's the problem. 121 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:22,440 I think it's the camping out that's the problem. 122 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,480 Yeah, she likes probably sleeping in her own bed, having 123 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,760 running water, having a toilet that works. 124 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,680 It's not just a pit or a a pit that you dug yourself. 125 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,640 Air conditioning, no bugs, the whole 9. 126 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,320 Yeah, well. You can't blame her there, I got 127 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,200 to tell you. So you have some experience with 128 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:43,560 this? I sort of do too, because my 129 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:47,480 wife, I, I think she doesn't really love the hiking and 130 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,280 backpack and she, she gets a itching for it about once a 131 00:06:50,280 --> 00:06:51,840 year. And then she'll be like, hey, 132 00:06:51,840 --> 00:06:53,880 when are we going to go on a hiking trip? 133 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,200 And she's got all the equipment and everything. 134 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:01,560 You can see it behind me. And I think she most of the time 135 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:06,520 just loves me more than her hate or disdain of the outdoors. 136 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,400 And so she will go with me. But all my friends make fun of 137 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,560 me because it seems like every trip, well, starting out, I'm 138 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,880 not going to lie, I've learned, I've learned John, I've gotten 139 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,240 better every trip. I had it in my mind that she was 140 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,320 going to do. She wanted the style of trip I 141 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,400 wanted to do, which was. No, no, no, no. 142 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:30,320 I want it to be challenging, a little sketchy, like some fun 143 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:34,600 stuff, not just hum hauling through the woods, you know? 144 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,960 I want to explore. I want a little bit of danger, 145 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:39,720 you know, you want to tingle a little bit. 146 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:44,040 And I also wanted to push the mouse and I'm taller, I can 147 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,880 carry more weight and that is not the kind. 148 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,840 Of and I've hiked with you your your step is about a step and a 149 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,880 half of mine, so you do about 1/3 less steps than I do 150 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,840 backpacking. Yeah, it's livestock fair. 151 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:03,120 That's for sure. And I'll tell you this, John, my 152 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,760 insurance gives me incentives to do these like different things, 153 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:12,360 step goals and go to the doctor and go do a dental like dental 154 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,000 cleaning and you get all these little bonuses and then they 155 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:19,040 give you gift cards and rewards. So a few weeks ago I went and 156 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:24,480 done my physical and I said, look, can we measure how tall I 157 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,080 am? Because I say on my driver's 158 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,320 license and you can tell them to put whatever you want. 159 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,520 I put on their 6 foot 2 whenever I was like, I don't know, 17 160 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,799 years old, probably when I got it, 16 to 16, you know, 17 years 161 00:08:35,799 --> 00:08:38,720 old. And now I'm 33. 162 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,679 So it's been on my driver's license this whole time, 6 foot 163 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,200 2. So I said, doc, let's take a 164 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,240 look. And they said shoes on or shoes 165 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:47,600 off. And I said yes. 166 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:52,200 So we went with shoes on 1st 6 foot four with the shoes on 6 167 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,920 foot 3 without the shoes. Everybody wants to be 6 foot. 168 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,320 And Bridget, I think she's about 5 foot nothing. 169 00:08:59,680 --> 00:09:02,760 So she's working 25% harder than. 170 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,560 Me just to keep pace well and I'm built weird. 171 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:10,320 So I'm I'm 5 foot 8 but I have the torso of someone who's 6 172 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,120 foot 2. So I've got like these, this 173 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,000 long torso and these stubby little legs. 174 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:20,600 And so it does not help me when it comes to long distance 175 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:24,240 running or hiking. And I and I will never do long 176 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:25,680 distance running. So I don't have to worry about 177 00:09:25,680 --> 00:09:28,200 that part. Hey, we're getting some great 178 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:29,640 comments on here. I want to make sure we get some 179 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,520 of these up here if we can. Jay Flo asked, but how many 180 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,520 times is your significant other camped with you? 181 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,640 I'm up to three now. When we started this backpacking 182 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:43,960 podcast, it was never, but we are up to three so and we'll 183 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:45,640 probably go camping at some point this year. 184 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,720 David Cooper basically shows off by saying I'm lucky my wife 185 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:53,240 loves camping and backpacking. Whatever David Cooper Ben 186 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:57,360 McMillan says outdoors. My wife won't even put the 187 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,920 windows down in her car. You think his wife rides on the 188 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,000 back of the motorcycle with? Him. 189 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,840 I hope so. You know, I've seen him post a 190 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,800 lot of pictures of going different places on that bike, 191 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,120 and now he's had, I think, a few different bikes. 192 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,360 Oh yeah, I'm wondering, Ben, let us know how many times has she 193 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,080 made it on a motorcycle ride with you? 194 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,240 She she, he's probably what I would consider a motorcycle 195 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,840 connoisseur at this point. My goldfish Drown says every 196 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,160 backpacking trip JS goes on ends up a struggle not to poop his 197 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:31,680 pants. Dude, that last one, that last 198 00:10:31,680 --> 00:10:35,120 one I was holding out until I got home was that last week I 199 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,240 talked about that. It was either last week or the 200 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:42,120 week before, I believe, where I talked about, let's see, I got 201 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:46,280 the show notes here. Yes, it was last episode 310. 202 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:50,040 I tried to hold out until I made it home and I did win the game. 203 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,120 Yeah, here's some insights for us. 204 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:53,680 Check this out. Says you haven't been married 205 00:10:53,680 --> 00:10:55,320 long enough. When you're gone hiking, she 206 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:59,240 gets the house to herself. 12 years is a long time, I mean. 207 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:03,800 But yeah, but I mean, that's, that's that's a good, that's a 208 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,640 good way to look at it. Jeff Peters, he's like me. 209 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,080 He says my whole car camping setup is centered around keeping 210 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,240 my wife happy. As long as there's a flush 211 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,840 toilet available and a shower, she can go camping. 212 00:11:14,680 --> 00:11:16,520 Yep. We go to campgrounds. 213 00:11:16,560 --> 00:11:20,800 We don't go primitive. Like there will be some form of 214 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,840 running water somewhere and showers somewhere. 215 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:28,600 And I bring a portable air conditioner and the whole 9. 216 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:30,640 And it's all because it makes my wife happy. 217 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:35,440 I wish I could have the campground experience without 218 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,560 the people. I wish that I had my own little 219 00:11:38,560 --> 00:11:41,160 privacy area. And so I guess the only way to 220 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:45,480 do that is, you know, to pull your camper behind your truck 221 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,640 and set it up, and then you have your own little campground. 222 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,520 Yeah, somebody has an idea for you on your trips. 223 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,200 Instead of doing the trip video, you just need to do videos of 224 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,400 the trip to and from the hike because it seems like that's 225 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,200 where a lot of the entertainment is on your trips. 226 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,320 Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you. 227 00:12:02,560 --> 00:12:05,320 And then I just get to live the experience of the hike. 228 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:07,240 That's true. That's true. 229 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:11,120 So we've got some questions and and the first one we have is 230 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:15,840 here from Dave off grid and it says what would Jeremiah's UL 231 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,680 loadout look like? Would you rather sleep cold at 232 00:12:18,680 --> 00:12:22,480 night or have the runs from from a SUS Mountain House meal with 233 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,840 no Imodium? Oh man, so we got 2 for the 234 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,320 price of one in this comment. So, so the first one I think 235 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,000 that's that would need to be a whole episode. 236 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,800 The ultralight? Yeah, it don't happen very much. 237 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:35,520 I don't think I don't think we have that that that one. 238 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:37,680 But let's go to let's go to the second part of that, which is 239 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,080 would you rather sleep cold at night or have the runs from a 240 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,080 SUS Mountain House meal with no Imodium? 241 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,920 Bro I can power through some cold at night. 242 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,000 I'm with you on that. I'm with you on that. 243 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,200 I'll sleep in the cold. Yeah, that's that's an easy one 244 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:55,400 for me. I've been, I've been cold before 245 00:12:55,680 --> 00:13:00,960 and it won't be the last time. And I had diarrhea before that 246 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:02,360 one won't be the last time either. 247 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:06,280 But if I had to pick, dude, that was miserable, having that 248 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:10,200 stomach bug on that two trips ago, that savage golf trip. 249 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,920 Yeah, it'll be too soon the next time. 250 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:17,000 Yeah, I've had it. Yeah, let's just not even. 251 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,240 We're done with that. I think everybody would probably 252 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,480 agree with that one. David Cooper's humble bragging 253 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,160 again. My wife is better at digging 254 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,320 kennels than I. Quit your bragging, David 255 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:27,520 Cooper. Stop it. 256 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:30,440 OK, We get it. We get it. 257 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,280 Your wife loves the outdoors. Show off. 258 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,000 Now we'll tell you, John, you said you've been married 12 259 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:38,240 years. Yes. 260 00:13:38,680 --> 00:13:42,440 My wife and I, soon we'll be celebrating 10 years of 261 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:46,720 marriage. Yeah, last week we celebrated 15 262 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,880 years of being together. We started dating in high school 263 00:13:50,560 --> 00:13:55,120 and we went to an Indian restaurant, the only Indian 264 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,480 restaurant in this city or town or whatever you want to call it, 265 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:04,080 and Bridget said I want to go axe throwing after we get done 266 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:05,840 with the that. I said. 267 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,040 Awesome. Am I talking to my wife here? 268 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,240 She wants to go to an Indian. I remember whenever. 269 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:15,360 You were not just talking to your wife, you were talking to 270 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,360 your dream woman. That's what you were doing, 271 00:14:17,560 --> 00:14:19,440 Jeremiah. Yeah, I was like, what? 272 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:23,200 This is like a different. We went from chicken Nuggets and 273 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:28,320 French fries to let's go eat Indian food and then go axe 274 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,080 throwing. But unfortunately we got to the 275 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:34,080 axe throwing place and it was a bunch of people doing line 276 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:35,560 dancing. I was like what is going on in 277 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:37,120 here? We opened the door and the first 278 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:41,120 thing you see is AQR code the scan because you have to waive 279 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:45,200 all the liability because you're throwing axes and you know they 280 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,360 have a full bar and everything in there. 281 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,240 So you got to be careful with the axe throwing, especially 282 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,400 mixing it. Nothing says a good time like 283 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,560 alcohol and axes. Yes. 284 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,160 I assume they're money makers. The bar anyway. 285 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:01,320 They had a bunch of line dancing in there and then all the axe 286 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,280 throwing stations, they had cornhole tournament going on, he 287 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,000 said. No axe throwing today, so we had 288 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,920 to go do something else. But anyway, what were you going 289 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,520 to say? OK, so we have to show something 290 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:14,400 today and he's finally online. He wasn't online the other day 291 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:17,040 or you remember our conversation. 292 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,400 Oh my goodness, you going to do? It so Jonathan Woodall, you're 293 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,480 on here. We figured something out, buddy. 294 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,000 We figured something out and it wasn't just you. 295 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,640 It was a number of people, but we we erased all of them and we 296 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:34,440 wanted to show you first hand we figured out the problem. 297 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,320 We we totally figured it out. Check this out. 298 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,720 You ready for this? Yeah, if you want to see it too, 299 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,760 make sure you look on YouTube or Spotify. 300 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:46,600 Look right here, hidden users would all trails. 301 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,760 Now you weren't the only one. There were probably like 7 or 8 302 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,000 names and we didn't know who any of them were. 303 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:53,120 We didn't even know how they got there. 304 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:57,480 But they all, they all, we gave them back, but we wanted to hold 305 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:02,480 off because we wanted to free you live online where you could 306 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,760 appreciate it in person with everybody here. 307 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,080 So Are you ready for this, Jeremiah? 308 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:12,040 Can you give me a drum drum line or drum roll or something here 309 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:13,800 real quick? Yeah, absolutely. 310 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,400 Drum roll. Please, here comes hey once you 311 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:18,800 turn that drum roll up a little louder. 312 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,360 How about this? Oh, there we go. 313 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,680 He's free, folks. Woodall Trails is free. 314 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,960 He can comment on our channel again. 315 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,320 It's official. He's back folks. 316 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:38,520 We're all trails is back. David Cooper says shadow banning 317 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:42,880 how did. He's the only name that was in 318 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:44,920 there that I recognized and that makes sense. 319 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,800 Who knows how many years those other people have been in there. 320 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,680 And then we never saw any more of their comments because 321 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,640 YouTube, just like they just put them in the black hole. 322 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:56,600 I don't know. And we don't have any 323 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:58,200 moderation. Like I looked in all of our 324 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,240 settings, there were no moderation settings, nothing. 325 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,920 And yeah, it's just funny. Oh, here's a good question. 326 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,560 Somebody put Jeff Peters actually asked a he did it 327 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,079 right. He wrote big letters. 328 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,440 Question. I've got to wait for it to 329 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,079 actually show up on here. Here we go. 330 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,760 When is the show going to get Darwin or Dixie or Becker or Rue 331 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,800 or Goremeyer, Garmeyer or Justin outdoors or Kyle back on the 332 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,960 show? Well, funny thing, in a few 333 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:26,920 weeks we are going to have Dixie back on. 334 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:32,760 Yeah, and she, I, I either went Live Today or yesterday with her 335 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:37,040 first episode, I believe, of Off Trail with Dixie, which is her 336 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,000 new podcast. So I've been keeping up with her 337 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,800 on Facebook anyway and just seeing what her life is like. 338 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,760 But she's still going strong on YouTube. 339 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:47,240 I went and checked her YouTube channel. 340 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:51,080 She's doing consistent videos. I don't know how she has the 341 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:55,960 time to do these backpacking trips and be a new parent and be 342 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,800 married and she and now she's starting this podcast. 343 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:03,080 But I'm excited to ask her. I would, I almost say in person, 344 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:07,240 we'll be doing it virtually, but I'm excited to ask her what life 345 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:08,960 is like and catch up with her a little bit. 346 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:13,560 And Darwin, what was the podcast that he was recently on? 347 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:17,040 Oh, Darwin was just on the Backpacking of Blisters podcast 348 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,840 either this week or last week. And man, let me tell you 349 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,040 something. He he brought up something 350 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:26,120 really interesting and, and I want to bring it up to you while 351 00:18:26,120 --> 00:18:27,840 we're sitting here talking. Yeah, sure. 352 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,720 So I'm going to ask a question, which is totally not fair, but 353 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:35,360 I'm going to do it anyways. What were your thoughts on Ultra 354 00:18:35,360 --> 00:18:37,240 Lone Peaks the last time you used them? 355 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,920 Yeah, I switched to the Olympus most recently, but the. 356 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:46,440 Long peak specific, yeah. The long peak specifically. 357 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,320 I used them on the Long trail so I literally used them for a 358 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,160 month straight. It was the only shoe I wore. 359 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,120 Before them up, folks. Yeah, that's right. 360 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:59,280 I use them for a month straight there and they did not hold up 361 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:00,960 well. Like literally after the first 362 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,880 week, my pinky toe was poking out the side and within the 363 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,160 first two or three days, the little guard that's on the front 364 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,480 that they glue that that tab that flaps it come loose. 365 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,240 I mean, almost immediately I was like, what are they glueing this 366 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,440 thing with? So they did not treat me well 367 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:22,800 and I did not, I'll be honest, REI took them back after my Long 368 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:27,800 Trail experience and I used, I believe I used the money to buy 369 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:29,920 something else. I was like, I think I'm done 370 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,400 with the Lone Peaks. But I did use the Olympus and 371 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,440 that is an Ultra product as well so. 372 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,680 The DMS adventure says he still uses them. 373 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:38,040 But I'm going to be honest with you. 374 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,160 I hate them. I've I, I tried them and they 375 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,440 blistered my feet like no other shoe I've ever had. 376 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,920 They started like, threads started coming loose quickly on 377 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:49,600 them. And I remember I was just like, 378 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,840 I remember people saying that the one version was good, but 379 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,000 the next version was bad, then the next version was worse. 380 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,840 They kept disliking the versions that they, as they got changed. 381 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:03,160 And the question was asked to Darwin, why do shoe companies do 382 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,320 that? Why wouldn't they have these 383 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,760 awesome trail runners that everybody loves hiking in? 384 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,640 Do they change the design so drastically for the next ones? 385 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,080 And he had an answer I never would have thought of. 386 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,480 Ever. Are you ready for this? 387 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,160 Oh yes. This is the answer, he said. 388 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,080 And I was like, that's insight, folks. 389 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:25,720 That is Insight. They're not made for hiking, so 390 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,600 they don't care what hikers think because trail runners are 391 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,760 who they're made for. So they get feedback from trail 392 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,400 runners about what that make them better for trail running, 393 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,400 not for hiking. And they are two very different 394 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:41,720 things, two very different uses. And as a result, the shoes 395 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,720 themselves will work better for trail running than they will for 396 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,000 hiking, if you can't believe that. 397 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,520 So I thought that was a fascinating thing. 398 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:51,920 I was. I never even thought about that. 399 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,880 Yeah, it's a, it's a, it's an interesting little epiphany 400 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:57,440 there because I never would have thought about it either. 401 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:01,960 Like literally two or three days ago I was shopping for some new 402 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,560 backpacking shoes. And so I went on Hoka's website 403 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,600 and it's got, of course, like any other website, you can 404 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,720 filter what kind of shoes you want, right? 405 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:17,040 And I clicked on there trail runner hacker and boot I believe 406 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,560 were the like my selections and then size 15 double wide. 407 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,960 And then it pulled up all the shoes that were available and I 408 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,040 was like, OK, yeah, these trail runners look great. 409 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,400 I think I'm going to go with the speed goat sevens, actually, 410 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,560 according to UPS, who told me yesterday, they're arriving 411 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:36,320 yesterday and they weren't here. Did they go from, did they go 412 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,600 from Chicago to Nashville to Indianapolis to like Saint Louis 413 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,960 back to New York City into you? Is that how that worked out? 414 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,000 You know, I was so excited about getting that new outdoor vitals 415 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:52,880 gear that I was keeping up with it like hour by hour on where it 416 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,080 was traveling, but the speed goats that I ordered, I was 417 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:57,920 like, well, they'll show up when they show up. 418 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,120 So that's when I checked it you and they sent me an e-mail 419 00:22:00,120 --> 00:22:02,600 yesterday and it said they're going to be here. 420 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,840 And I was like yes. And then I yesterday about 9 PMI 421 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:07,600 was like they're not here. And then I checked it and it's 422 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,800 like due to weather they're in the Lexington, KY. 423 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,000 I said what due to weather they're in Lexington, KY. 424 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,520 What what's going on with the weather? 425 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,680 Do y'all have some kind of well I know you're not Lexington, but 426 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,040 you recently? Well, Lexington obviously 427 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:22,360 doesn't know how to take care of the roads. 428 00:22:22,360 --> 00:22:24,680 They're making national news for how bad they take care of their 429 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,240 roads. I thought that was, I thought 430 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,680 that was fake I saw on Facebook. Like 100% real. 431 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:35,600 The governor of the state has has not quite issued A mandate 432 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,000 yet, but is all over the mayor of Lexington for how bad they do 433 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:44,600 their roads in bad weather. Long story short, the they might 434 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,120 be sitting on my porch right now just waiting to be stolen. 435 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,080 I'm not sure. So I'm going to go check as soon 436 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,480 as we're done with the show. So I have some that's kind of 437 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,200 funny when it comes to shipping and then we'll get to the next 438 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:55,400 questions. There actually is a question 439 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,320 here. So we got a place. 440 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,840 We've had a PlayStation 4 for years that just sits and gathers 441 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:02,840 dust. We don't use it. 442 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,760 Well, a few weeks ago or a couple weeks ago, my son 443 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:11,400 discovered all of our DVDs and our Blu rays and was like, dad, 444 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,360 I want to watch these. We don't have any controllers. 445 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,040 We don't have a remote. So I got online, started looking 446 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:18,960 for the old PlayStation remote that they used to have. 447 00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:21,040 Well the only way you can get one of those if you buy them on 448 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,160 eBay and they're like 100 bucks. Wow. 449 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:28,240 So I got on I got on Amazon and found one for like 60 or did it 450 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,280 came in Yeah, Playstate, a remote for the PlayStation so we 451 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,400 so we could play. I mean it's the same cost as 452 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,600 like buying a controller. Yeah, roughly. 453 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,280 Which? Which PlayStation did you say 454 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,400 this was the four PlayStation 4, OK. 455 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,800 Yeah, they they play their video games on PlayStation 5. 456 00:23:42,360 --> 00:23:46,320 But anyway, so the remote comes in like great, I put some 457 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:50,200 batteries in it. The Amazon description was a lie 458 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,440 and I found out that it was a scam and I got ripped off. 459 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,920 So I went to do a return and according to USPS, it hasn't 460 00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,360 shipped. It hasn't gotten to us yet. 461 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,480 No, this is this is a good thing, this is a good thing. 462 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:03,680 Get ready for this. This is great. 463 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:08,240 So it's still officially hasn't gotten here and I just got a 464 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:09,920 thing from YouTube. If it doesn't get here in two 465 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,520 days, they'll issue me a full refund. 466 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,520 You got something from YouTube? I'm sorry, from Amazon, OK, from 467 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:20,120 Amazon. So they said point blank if if 468 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:24,800 it doesn't arrive by the 20th, we'll give you a refund. 469 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,280 So I've got the remote. It doesn't work. 470 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,280 It was a complete RIP off, but I'm still going to get my money 471 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,080 back because it's lost because I already got it and UPS can't or 472 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,160 the USPSUS Postal Service can't figure out where the heck it is. 473 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,120 So. Yes bro. 474 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,480 Yeah, yeah. All right, let's get a real 475 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:41,560 question. Let's get a real question. 476 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,400 Go ahead. So when are you both going to 477 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,640 track down the Shul brothers and get them to come back to 478 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,200 YouTube? I have their phone numbers but. 479 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:50,360 I do too. I do too. 480 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,520 I haven't texted them in a long time. 481 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,440 From looking at their Instagram and stuff, I think they're just 482 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,040 happy being dads. Yeah, I think so. 483 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,000 Different stage of life. Yeah, I just don't think 484 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,800 YouTube's even a thought right now for them. 485 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,520 And I, and I know a couple years ago, right as they were winding 486 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,040 down the channel, you could tell it was getting to be less and 487 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,280 less of an interest for him. They stopped doing as many 488 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,640 podcasts and they stopped doing as much stuff. 489 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,600 They were just kind of, I think having kids and having a family 490 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,120 was a little bit more important at that point. 491 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,000 So that I guess that means that you and I are terrible family 492 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:28,720 people. That of the year, maybe that of 493 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,400 the year. But yeah, they, I, I mean, I'm 494 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:36,280 just, I'm speculating, but just from knowing those guys a few 495 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,920 years ago, I think I, I think that they're kind of want, 496 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,680 they've wound down from it doesn't mean we couldn't have 497 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,880 them on the show, maybe. Yeah, they'd be fun to talk to 498 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,320 for a while. And Speaking of by the way, on 499 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,560 the the dad of the year situation, we ordered a remote 500 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:56,800 because in the bedroom and downstairs we have a projector 501 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,840 instead of ATV and. A bougie like that, aren't you? 502 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,720 Well, you know whenever you do YouTube and they just send you 503 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,080 products like I didn't buy these. 504 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:11,000 They just I'm like, I don't know why I would need a projector for 505 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,360 a hiking YouTube channel on my personal channel. 506 00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:15,120 But if you want to send it to me, sure. 507 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,160 So I just put it in my bedroom and at a yard sale I paid like 508 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,160 $15.00 for a projector screen that like drops down kind of 509 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,040 like in school. You imagine the map that's, you 510 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:27,440 know, you pull it down from the board. 511 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,640 It's sort of like that, but it's got its own stand and stuff. 512 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,760 So I put that in the bedroom and wouldn't you know it, my little 513 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,560 boy, ever since he's been able to walk and run around and get 514 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,200 into stuff, somehow the remotes just keep disappearing. 515 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,640 And so they've made it from three foot above the ground to 516 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,920 now 5 feet above the ground because everything scoots up and 517 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,240 Bridget said we need to find this remote. 518 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,560 I said, Bridget, it's just gone. It's gone. 519 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,480 It's not coming back. She said I'm going to order a 520 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,200 new one on Amazon. They're $10. 521 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,280 I said I don't want to waste the $10. 522 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,800 She said, well, I'm getting it. So she ordered the $10 remote. 523 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:09,440 Next day, found it. So we have one in the package 524 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:14,000 totally sealed and one that we've been using ever since we 525 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,320 got the projector. And I'm like, you want to send 526 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:17,800 it back? She's like, no, you know, it's 527 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,400 going to disappear again. Yep. 528 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,320 So now we have the extra projector remote. 529 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,640 Nothing says disappearance like the wandering toddler. 530 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,160 That's all I'm going. To say yeah, two years old and 531 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:30,160 gone. Oh yeah. 532 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:31,720 Oh yeah. OK, big question. 533 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,880 You ready for this one? Yes, it's a difficult one. 534 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,120 I hope you can handle it. Would you rather have a backpack 535 00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:40,840 that squeaks with every step or have one pair of zip offs with 536 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,880 one zip broken so one leg is always half attached? 537 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,840 First of all, that question was so big it took up more of my 538 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,000 screen it. Took up my entire screen. 539 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,240 I don't know what it looked like on YouTube, but man, on my 540 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:55,840 screen right now I took up the entire thing. 541 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,280 Yeah, we'll fix that in post. Don't worry. 542 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,160 So, all right, read it to me again. 543 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:05,280 I was so distracted by how large it was, so zip off. 544 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,000 Zipper's broken. Would you rather have a backpack 545 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,960 that squeaks with every step or only have one pair of zip offs 546 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,000 with one zip broken so one leg is always half attached? 547 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:20,000 Well, I would probably cut the pant leg off if I had the 548 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,920 zipper, so I'll go with the zipper but take another drink on 549 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:29,920 the long trail. I took the Osprey and you know 550 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:34,840 the Osprey 65 liter, it's got a squeaking problem actually. 551 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:39,080 And Osprey, it was so bad that they were like, hey, if you send 552 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,880 this back to us, we'll fix the squeaking problem and we've 553 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:46,920 updated it so if you get the new Osprey 65 liter Atmos, then you 554 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,200 won't. This won't happen anymore. 555 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,720 But I had the old one and broke the entire long trail. 556 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,960 It squeaked on me. Sometimes it would stop, 557 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,680 sometimes it wouldn't. But you never knew what you're 558 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,560 going to get. That was that was all the old 559 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,680 Dyneema Z packs backpacks too. I believe most of those had that 560 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,080 same problem. Little squeaker. 561 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,160 Little squeakers, man, Little squeakers. 562 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,840 And what about the pant leg? What if you're forced to? 563 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,480 So I was the only one that didn't have shorts on this last 564 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,360 trip and it was like 85°. Now I didn't get really. 565 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,960 Yeah, I did pull off 3 ticks and not a single other person pulled 566 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,800 off a tick the entire trip. So I'm going to treat my gear 567 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,440 because I'm headed out to the woods not this coming weekend, 568 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,560 but next upcoming weekend and I'm going to use the tick 569 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,200 Terminator spray. You know he. 570 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,520 Says that I'm getting ready to I'm getting ready to reapply to 571 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,280 all my stuff that'll. Kill anything man, so careful 572 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,040 where you spray it. But I'm going to retreat my gear 573 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,320 dude and before I head out to the woods. 574 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,240 But anyway, I don't remember. Oh yeah, yeah, the shorts. 575 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,880 I started saying, I don't remember what we're talking 576 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,720 about, but the shorts. Everybody had those zip off 577 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,760 pants. And I was so jealous. 578 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:59,120 And then it was so funny. Evil Sean the next day couldn't 579 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:00,960 figure out how to zip it back on. 580 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,280 So he had one on, but one off, just like the question saying. 581 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:06,960 And then I was like, what are you going to do, man? 582 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,120 And he's like, well, I can't get this one back on. 583 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,600 So then he had to spend the rest of the trip with just shorts on 584 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,560 because he had to take the other one back off. 585 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,360 But anyway, back to you. John Well, I'm going to be 586 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,840 honest, if it was me, I would take the backpack because I hate 587 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,800 those pants. Really. 588 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,040 I hate them like the zipper always gets caught on a on a leg 589 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,600 hair and I'll be walking along and it pulls on one of my leg 590 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:28,880 hair. So I'm just like, come on, man, 591 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,320 It's I I'm I'm good. I don't ever wear those pants. 592 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,560 You ever get the? I don't. 593 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,200 I don't normally wear compression underwear but I like 594 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,760 them for backpacking because I think they helped me with. 595 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,840 What a pivot. Well they're it's tidying. 596 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:49,240 It's tidying. So I don't normally like to wear 597 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,800 them but I take them backpacking because I think they help with 598 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,960 the preventing chafing like between your legs. 599 00:30:55,640 --> 00:31:00,120 But what gets me is certain brands pull your leg hairs. 600 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,160 Does that ever happen to you? Oh yeah. 601 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,600 You're walking along and I don't know if it's the. 602 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,800 It hurts like crazy. Yeah, it's the. 603 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,840 Way the fabric stretches when you're walking and it clips a 604 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,640 little hair, but gosh, that drives me. 605 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:12,800 Nuts. Oh, it's terrible. 606 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,880 It's absolutely terrible. So you know how we were talking 607 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,320 about the Backpacking and Blisters podcast just a minute 608 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:19,400 ago? Yes. 609 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:24,600 They have a question for us so, and it's this do real 610 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,840 backpackers like you guys always have matching shirts and packs? 611 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,560 Now I've got to give people some. 612 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,320 This is why he's asking that question. 613 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:39,440 This is the image that Jeremiah posted on our on our Instagram 614 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:44,880 to get questions. For $21.13 a month you too can 615 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:49,080 have ChatGPT 5.2 and you can create any image. 616 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,560 You can create any image that you want within the defined 617 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,160 parameters of whatever the company that owns ChatGPT is. 618 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,000 Open AI think is the is the company. 619 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,720 Yeah, it's just funny that in this one, you're the one with 620 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,440 the big mouth and I'm the one that looks inquisitive. 621 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,600 That's just totally backwards so. 622 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,360 You know, the photo that I fed into it to use our faces was 623 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,240 whenever we were at your house last. 624 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,560 And we had what I use every time, yeah. 625 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,360 I was like why do I look so surprised? 626 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,480 But sometimes it takes so long to think about the images and 627 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,440 you've like done prompts over and over to make make it exactly 628 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,160 what you want that you're like OK done is better than perfect. 629 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,320 So I did have to do some reef sizing and stuff. 630 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,880 But yes for the small process price of $20.00 a month ChatGPT 631 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,880 will be your personal. I noticed that it didn't put 632 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,840 what time on there and that was my. 633 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,240 Fault. Well, you know it is, it is our 634 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:44,480 Q&A. So you know it's going to be 635 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,240 there at 4:00 or 4:30. So I mean. 636 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:47,720 Somewhere in there. So we're good. 637 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:52,400 We're good, you know, and, and to answer the question, no, 638 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,760 we've never had matching. We've never had matching shirts. 639 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,600 We have had pseudo matching backpacks at one point. 640 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,600 Wait, what about the backpacking with Dad? 641 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,680 I think that we did have matching shirts one time at your 642 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,200 house because Jason was on Mr. Backpacking with Jason, Sir. 643 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:16,400 Put some respect on it and we got him Backpacking with Dad 644 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:17,720 shirts. That's right. 645 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,520 That's probably the only time that we've ever done that. 646 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,560 And when we had our chicken tramper backpacks and we were 647 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,880 backpacking together. Oh yes, that's right, I had a 648 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,600 shirts made for chicken. Did I have you want made? 649 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,880 As well, you had as each as chicken tramper shirt made, 650 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,440 which the logo ended up coming off of mine. 651 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:34,680 So it's just a nice blank shirt now. 652 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,360 But but we had the we had the backpacks. 653 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,960 There were different colors, but they were matching backpacks. 654 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,640 There were identical backpacks. Which backpack was that? 655 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,120 The chicken trampers. OK. 656 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,400 I don't know how many liters those those are. 45 but we had 657 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,520 to make them 50 for us. Yeah, you need a little extra 658 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,000 space, man. Yep, Yep. 659 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:54,800 Or at least. I do. 660 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,600 And I have one other question for us that I think would be, 661 00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:58,880 that's actually a really good question. 662 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:03,080 So what guests have you had on the show that you'd most like to 663 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,840 backpack with that you've never gone with? 664 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,880 Man, you only get to pick one. I think this one's kind of easy 665 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,120 for me because I think it'd be fun. 666 00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:14,560 OK, go ahead. I think it'd be Dixie. 667 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,159 Yeah, that would be fun. I have a lot of questions. 668 00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:21,280 I think it'd be a lot of fun to backpack with Dixie and see if 669 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:25,679 she's really that sweet when she's slipping on mud or 670 00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:29,800 something breaks or she gets bit by a bug or something. 671 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:35,880 Like I want to see. I want to see frustrated, angry 672 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,199 Dixie and how she handles it because she's so sweet on 673 00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:41,840 everything. I think I'm going to throw you a 674 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:46,040 curveball here. I think I'm going to go Jeff 675 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:50,159 Garmeier throwback. I think, I think that I'm going 676 00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:56,199 to catch him on day three of no sleep all hallucinations and I'm 677 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,320 just going to enjoy the ride. Bro we're going backpacking in 678 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,120 Crocs and we're not going to stop until we hallucinate from 679 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,320 lack of sleep. He's going to be the tiger. 680 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:07,640 And what animal are you going to wear? 681 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,840 Yeah, he's the Tiger King. I don't know, man. 682 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:12,560 What? What would it be? 683 00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:15,640 I don't know man. I have to think on that one he 684 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,120 he might have me beat when the animal. 685 00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:21,520 And David Cooper says JK wants to see Dixie break. 686 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,640 You know, I don't want to see Dixie break. 687 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,640 I just want to see how she handles, like, difficult things 688 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,640 because she's so, like, together, you know what I mean? 689 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,640 Like, in her videos, she's just so together. 690 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:37,720 And I'm curious when things get crazy how she's going to do so. 691 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,040 Well, you might get to see a different side of her on her the 692 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,440 podcast, because I assume that that's all one take. 693 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,800 See, we're live here. So whatever you say is out in 694 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,520 the ether, whether you like it or not, you mess up, you keep 695 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,520 rolling with it, and there's no going back. 696 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,080 What most podcasts though do edit. 697 00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:58,840 That's. True, that's true, those 698 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,160 podcasts do edit. So I mean unless she's live 699 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,200 streaming there's a strong chance there will still be 700 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,360 edits. So that means you have to go 701 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,720 back and watch our episode with Dixie if you want to see the 702 00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:13,280 true live version because we had her live on here so people could 703 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,480 ask questions while we were recording, if I remember 704 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:16,840 correctly. Yep, we did. 705 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,520 You want me to give you a question from our Facebook page, 706 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,560 The Backpack Podcast? Absolutely. 707 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,120 All right, this question comes from Rich. 708 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,040 Whether it be cottage or big box, what gear improvements or 709 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:34,320 new gear items do you feel have made the most significant impact 710 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,200 to your kit since you started backpacking? 711 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,800 So basically from the time that you started to the time now, 712 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,560 what are we seeing? And I'm seeing lighter and 713 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,160 lighter backpacks, like even that carbon Evo 50 that the 714 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,760 outdoor models came out with. Yeah, that you're everything's 715 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,800 getting so light. It's like it's and you don't 716 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,160 have to pay an arm and a leg. For it, but a lot of it feels 717 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:04,800 bulletproof, like I'm still rocking that Z pax our call from 718 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:09,360 like four or five years ago and it is still like rock solid like 719 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,280 it's been on hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of miles 720 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,760 and it's it's fine. You know, I'm not seeing 721 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,080 improvement on the shoes though. You know what? 722 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,600 You know what I'm I'm interested in that I don't have, but I'm 723 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,960 looking forward to trying out. Apparently Sawyer has redone the 724 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,080 Sawyer Mini. They now have the Sawyer Mini 2 725 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:34,160 and apparently it's extremely trustworthy. 726 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,600 Let's just say that like super dependable now. 727 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,360 Like it doesn't, it doesn't clog up. 728 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,960 At least that's the reports going around right now that it 729 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,640 doesn't clog up like the old one used to. 730 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,440 Well, I threw mine in the trash on the Long Trail. 731 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,920 Yeah, so. Oh my gosh, how many? 732 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,040 How many in one episode man is there? 733 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,600 A little. It feels a little tipsy over 734 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:55,960 there on the other side of the screen. 735 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,480 Drinking a lot of AL 8 over here. 736 00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,400 And for people want to know, it's a soda. 737 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:04,400 Just throwing that out there. But yeah, they say, they say. 738 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,520 And Darwin actually used it when he was in Alaska last year. 739 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,600 You know the you're talking about it being more bulletproof? 740 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,320 The backpacks. I found my first tear in my 741 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:22,160 hyper lot and that was, I feel like a bulletproof backpack, but 742 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,160 I'm finally getting some wear and tear. 743 00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:26,840 I take it on so many trips though, because it's it fits so 744 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,480 much stuff in there. Yeah, put your little extra 745 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,560 cooler in. There and they, they are 746 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:36,160 deceptively big. I mean they are honestly, I 747 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,240 don't know how they do their sizing, but they do it different 748 00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:40,680 than everybody else because I think there's actually is how 749 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,840 big they say it is. I think so too and what's weird 750 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:48,080 is when I bought it I think it's at 3400 but they have different 751 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:52,880 leaders in the 3400 and. Dude, OK, so I got to, I got to 752 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,480 put this comment up here. Yeah, hit us with the comment. 753 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,640 Marcus Rawls, Good dude. Because I thought you were a 754 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,080 quick draw guy, John. Yeah, there was a time. 755 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,320 And then the last two quick draws that I bought didn't work. 756 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,960 Two straight out-of-the-box did not work. 757 00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:12,840 What's the deal you think that's user error? 758 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,200 What backed me up here? I would say I would say it was 759 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:20,600 user error if it only happened one time. 760 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,640 I'm sensing the. Pattern of I'm sensing a 761 00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:25,880 pattern. I'm sensing a pattern of bad. 762 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,680 And I wasn't the only one, there were forums on this. 763 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:30,640 So defective they're just sending out. 764 00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:34,480 They were sending out defective ones and even even Devin got 1 765 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:35,760 the same time I bought one of them. 766 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:40,560 So yeah, Marcus was with me when I had one of those new ones. 767 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:42,920 Well, nothing would come out of it. 768 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:47,200 I just think see Marcus is backing me up here in the in the 769 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:48,960 chat. I don't think it's backing up. 770 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,240 I think he's messing with me. There's a huge difference there, 771 00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:55,360 Jeremiah. You know, I'll, I used the quick 772 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,720 draw. I thought it was very innovative 773 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,640 that they put the caps on it. Yeah, but now? 774 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,360 I think you can get those caps for the Sawyer so. 775 00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:07,840 Well, honestly, it was. It was my favorite. 776 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:13,960 But when you spend 3540 bucks on a on a filter and you buy two of 777 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,560 them and they're dead on arrival. 778 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:18,400 That's not OK. That's not cool. 779 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,600 So I can't, I can't back them up anymore. 780 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,120 Yeah, I did. I got my money back on the 781 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,760 second one. OK, the first, the first one you 782 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,160 just ate the cost. Yeah, I ate the cost on that one 783 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,600 because I assume maybe I did something wrong. 784 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,200 And then when I got the second one it didn't work either. 785 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:35,720 Then I'm like, OK, no, we're good. 786 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,040 I got a poop. Question here if you want. 787 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,840 Oh, let's hear it. All right, hold on. 788 00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:46,800 Poop, poop, poop. It's poop time. 789 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,240 If I was more professional, I would have been ready with a 790 00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:50,760 poop button instead of telling you to hold on. 791 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:51,720 But that's OK. We need. 792 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,640 To make one of those with with harmonies. 793 00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:57,040 Well, I don't know how to do that, John, but I'm I'm happy to 794 00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,560 send you the clip. I'll harmonize with you. 795 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:04,280 There you go. This is actually from what All 796 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,400 Trails on our Facebook page. He says you get to camp the 797 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,280 first night, but you know you're losing the game. 798 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,480 The don't poop in the woods game, for the record, right? 799 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,560 Any new viewers, you check your poop kit and you forgot to 800 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:24,040 restock it and pack your bidet. Would you rather use 1A pine 801 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:29,040 cone and wash it off in the stream near camp or two use a 802 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,960 mixture of Moss off nearby rocks and leaves? 803 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,800 So like Moss and leaves basically? 804 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,400 Is that what he's saying? He's saying that you can use the 805 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,120 pine cone, but you get to wash it off the mixture. 806 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,440 You can use a mixture of Moss off nearby rocks and leaves. 807 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,160 This sounds like. A OK, so Moss off nearby rocks 808 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,560 and leaves and leaves, Moss and leaves, Moss and leaves, 809 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,200 basically. You mean you don't want to clean 810 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,280 up with a pine cone? I don't know if my this 811 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,880 conversation's appropriate for public conversation. 812 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,880 No, absolutely not. I, I would, I would definitely 813 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:13,680 be doing leaves and Moss and I will share something with you. 814 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,040 I have actually done leaves and Moss. 815 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:19,200 So yeah, I've, I've been there and I've had to do it and be 816 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,720 careful times. It's just what you got to do. 817 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,320 Actually Moss isn't that bad honestly, but. 818 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,080 I have. I'm a little nervous with Moss. 819 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,480 I've done leaves I haven't done. Moss I've done. 820 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:34,160 Moss and it's not that bad, but the problem with Moss is if 821 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,960 there's Turkey mots in there because I have sit down on top 822 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,760 of like a little Moss patch before on top of a rock just 823 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:45,840 sitting taking a break and dude, it'd eat me up and I had to I 824 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,120 put cream. I had to get steroid shots went 825 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,720 to the doctor and she said you have to sleep in this cream and 826 00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:54,360 it went from my neck down to my feet and she's like sleep all 827 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,840 night in this. So maybe I'm misreading the 828 00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,520 question. Jeff Peters, he says Moss. 829 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,440 How is Moss versus pine cone even a question? 830 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,840 Well, what all trail he might be driving home from work right 831 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,320 now, so I don't. Know well I think he's saying 832 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,200 it's either the pine cone or Moss or leave or Moss and 833 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:10,480 leaves. Like you could choose between 834 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,240 Moss and leaves or a pine cone. Oh well then how? 835 00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:18,000 Would that's how I'm reading it. If if that's how you're going to 836 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:22,600 twist my arm, then depending on the leaf I would go with leaves. 837 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,240 Probably. But then you've got these 838 00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:28,440 comments from our friend Melissa, the unlikely hiker. 839 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,320 She says ticks are in leaves. She says I'll do Moss or a pine 840 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,960 cone. Yeah, you got ticks, you got 841 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:41,880 chiggers and I don't know, I guess Poison Ivy, poison oak for 842 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,960 the leaves. That would be a bad combo. 843 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,080 Yeah, and, and here's what he says. 844 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,840 Need green leaves to start brown crunchy ones. 845 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,680 Breakthrough. Yeah, you might be wiping with 846 00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,840 your hand. Look at You better have a lot of 847 00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,080 soap. That's all I'm saying. 848 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,480 You better have a lot of soap if you're going to use those brown 849 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,560 leaves. Brian Windburn, fellow Kentucky 850 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,640 man, bringing us the laughter. That's good. 851 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,800 We love Brian. OK, I got one more on Facebook 852 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,080 if you want. Yeah, let's hear it, man. 853 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:16,160 This is from Gregory actually. He gave us 2 questions on here. 854 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,520 When are we going to get our next JSJK adventure? 855 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,800 And secondly, what is your favorite second or third day 856 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,360 meal that is not freeze? Dried. 857 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,440 My favorite meal that's not freeze dried. 858 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,120 Well, you know, we talk a lot on this show that when I'm. 859 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,120 Back No, I'm just making sure that's what it says. 860 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,040 That's what it says. It's a steak. 861 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,200 Well, he says beyond a steak, you have a favorite. 862 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,000 Yeah, he was prepared because Gregory listens to the. 863 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,240 Show. Yeah, yeah, I got this. 864 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,160 I got this. Me and me and my buddy Josh did 865 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,040 this and there's video proof of it. 866 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:51,840 We did shrimp with like Peppers and onions and asparagus. 867 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,600 Was it the winter time so your shrimp stayed cold until you 868 00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,360 cooked? It was it was springtime. 869 00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,160 We froze it. OK, we froze it. 870 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:04,480 We marinated it and then froze it and then brought it with us. 871 00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,120 And that was our dinner that night. 872 00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,880 We we cooked the shrimp over by the fire and we threw it all 873 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:12,800 kinds of it was great. Man, that was so good. 874 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,160 That sounds delicious. It's almost like a little stir 875 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,440 fry or a what is it? At the Mexican restaurant, they 876 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:20,720 bring it on the cast iron skillet. 877 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:21,840 Oh, yeah. Yeah, Like fajitas. 878 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,800 Yeah, fajitas. Chef Peters, I got to throw this 879 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,760 up there, he says. Pine cones are spiked grenades. 880 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,800 Yes, absolutely. I have to ask Jonathan what he's 881 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,480 thinking on that one again. Maybe I just read it wrong. 882 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:43,560 My my meal the last trip that I went on was one night. 883 00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:48,320 I bought some of that Tennessee pulled pork or actually I don't 884 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,200 pulled chicken, but you can buy it at like Walmart or Kroger or 885 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:56,240 Publix or whatever and it comes in a black piece of plastic, but 886 00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:59,120 it's got like a Tennessee whiskey cover over it. 887 00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,240 Have you seen these? Like it comes pre made. 888 00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:02,520 You just heat it up in the microwave. 889 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:07,520 Pulled pork or pulled chicken. I like to take that and if it's 890 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,400 cold outside, no big deal. You can just take it with you. 891 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,160 And then the second night I stopped at Dollar General and 892 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,840 got that chicken Alfredo that I get dignity the previous trip 893 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,680 because I had the bubble guts. And so I took the chicken 894 00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,160 Alfredo and both both of those meals you can just throw in your 895 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,680 cook pot and heat it up like you don't need a microwave, even 896 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,520 though there's only microwave. Those are bachelor meals, is 897 00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:30,280 what I call. It. 898 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,080 Oh, absolutely. And all you really need to cook 899 00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,120 pot and some Doritos. Yeah, that makes sense. 900 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:36,320 That makes sense. That works. 901 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,760 That works. And what about our trip, John? 902 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,800 You were not. You were unable to make the meet 903 00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,400 up last year. Yes. 904 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,240 I don't think we have anything scheduled, but. 905 00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,560 Jeremiah has an awful summer, so we might be having a chance. 906 00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,520 Yeah, summer break is a good time, but just cuz I'm on summer 907 00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,080 break, John still has a full time job so. 908 00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,400 But I can take a day or two off during the week occasionally so. 909 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,480 Arrangements will be made we. Will be making it and and we're 910 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:08,680 doing our vacation in March this year so I will have free time 911 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,000 through the summer that I didn't have last year, so that'll be 912 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,320 good. Excellent. 913 00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,880 Well, thank you, Gregory for the fantastic questions. 914 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:20,080 I got a great question for you and it's far too big to post on 915 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:21,400 screen. If you thought that other one 916 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,720 filled up the screen, this one would blow it up. 917 00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:25,400 But this is actually from YouTube. 918 00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:31,080 It says you're 13 miles into a Six Mile day hike. 919 00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,680 Did you catch that? 13 miles into a Six Mile, that's 920 00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,560 a rough day. You'll you realize that there's 921 00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:41,520 no chance you'll make it back to your car, but fortunately you 922 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,200 find a cabin in this remote wilderness area. 923 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,440 You decide to bunk in the cabin, but as you turn the knob, it's 924 00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:52,200 locked. At the same time, a crazy storm 925 00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:56,400 begins and your options are hunker down outside or break 926 00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,200 into the cabin. There's a sign that says 927 00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:06,240 trespassers will be shot. What do you do this? 928 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:07,880 Is a tough one man. This is a day. 929 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,360 Hike. We're not bringing like tents 930 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:13,360 and stuff with us, right? Around here, trespassers will be 931 00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,400 shot is a pretty serious sign. I don't know if you'll. 932 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:16,520 Mess around with that in Kentucky. 933 00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,080 You don't mess around in Kentucky. 934 00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,280 Yeah, you get into the wrong holler and it's not exactly 935 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:25,120 safe. Now, what he didn't say was 936 00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,360 whether or not they had a porch. That's true. 937 00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,400 If you want to crash under the porch, stay out of the weather. 938 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:39,640 A crazy storm, I think. I don't want to break into the 939 00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,360 cabin, but what are you supposed to do? 940 00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:46,240 Find you a big tree and hunker down under it and try not to get 941 00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:48,360 wet now. Something I do if I know it's 942 00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:52,240 going to rain, because he didn't say that we didn't know the 943 00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:55,800 storm was coming. If I know there's going to be 944 00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,240 rain and I'm going for a day hike, a lot of times I'll bring 945 00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:00,840 a tarp with me. That's easy. 946 00:49:01,240 --> 00:49:03,960 Yeah, cheap insurance. And then I just set it up 947 00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:05,840 between a couple trees. If it's raining, we just sit 948 00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:10,360 there and wait out the storm. I got to say I cannot live on 949 00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,880 the air, say I'm going to break into a place so. 950 00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:17,640 I'm not if it says, if it says trespassers will be shot. 951 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,560 That's a verbal contract in Kentucky. 952 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,360 Well, if there's nobody there though, then are they going to 953 00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:25,960 be checking up on you? Do they have? 954 00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,840 Well, here's the thing, here's the thing, you find you find the 955 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,400 cabin and it's locked, visit locked because they're in bed 956 00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,520 asleep. Good point. 957 00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,600 So if you break in the door, I'm going to tell you what if I'm in 958 00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,960 my house so it breaks in my door, there's it's probably not 959 00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,240 going to be good for you. I'm just going to leave it at 960 00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:45,520 that. I can say anything else. 961 00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:46,760 Same, same. It's. 962 00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,960 Not going to be good for you. Don't break into my house. 963 00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,760 So I'm personally I'm I'm not breaking in. 964 00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,480 I'd rather be soaking wet and cold than shot. 965 00:49:58,160 --> 00:49:59,960 I think I'm going to stick with you, John. 966 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:01,560 Looks like we're going to be sitting out. 967 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:05,360 We can it be like in Forrest Gump whenever Forrest and Bubba 968 00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,720 lean up against each other so neither of them has to lay in 969 00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:11,480 the rain, in the mud. That'll be me and you, bro. 970 00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,440 We'll just sit there and look at that sign saying trespassers 971 00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,320 will be shot. One more nice and safe. 972 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,720 And I can't imagine that the person is going to be like, why 973 00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:23,240 didn't you guys just knock on the door? 974 00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:25,960 Yeah. Good point. 975 00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,560 That would be our luck. That would honestly be our luck. 976 00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,120 David Cooper says what's the worst tasting backpacking meal 977 00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,200 that you've ever had? Brand and flavor? 978 00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,120 Well, we're not going to get sponsored by them. 979 00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,280 Whoever you're about to say, John, I don't know who it is. 980 00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,160 I bet Mountain House. I'm going to say Mountain House 981 00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,160 and I'm going to say it's a beef stroganoff. 982 00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,600 That is the one that all kinds of people like. 983 00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,960 Yeah, I know. And that's probably why it's my 984 00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,360 least favorite, because I was expecting more out of it. 985 00:50:55,800 --> 00:51:00,560 I was actually backpacking with Crow down in Alabama and I 986 00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:04,800 brought it down with me and I remember I put salt and pepper 987 00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:09,040 in it and I could not get the flavor to improve at all. 988 00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,040 It was the most bland thing I've ever eaten in my life. 989 00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,720 I remember thinking to myself the only reason Tim Watson like 990 00:51:13,720 --> 00:51:16,000 this is because he was sponsored by these guys, because there's 991 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,960 no chance he actually thought this was good. 992 00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,680 He's probably stopping at McDonald's on the way and 993 00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:24,600 getting extra salt and pepper packets and maybe a cheeseburger 994 00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,040 for the back pocket. Yeah, I just didn't get it. 995 00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,640 It was. It was one of easily the most 996 00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,520 bland things I'd ever eaten in my life. 997 00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:36,720 Not a big fan. If you want the honest answer, I 998 00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:40,120 probably can't give it because it was some meal that was sent 999 00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,640 to me by one of these companies and I was like this is terrible 1000 00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,120 and I didn't finish it and then the rest is history. 1001 00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:47,960 But. Is that company still around? 1002 00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:50,360 Well, I don't. I don't know the name of the 1003 00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:54,520 company because whenever this would have happened, it would 1004 00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:58,840 have made such a small imprint on me that I wouldn't give it 1005 00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:00,320 the time of day to try to remember it. 1006 00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,640 I'd be like, I'm never buying this again or I've never ordered 1007 00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:05,320 this. I've never endorsed this and 1008 00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,080 I'll probably just moved on with my life. 1009 00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:12,600 But if you want my, my backup answer, I don't really like that 1010 00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,680 breakfast skillet by Mountain House either. 1011 00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,760 I'm, I think it's, it's like mixing all your breakfast food 1012 00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,960 together and I don't know, I don't want somebody to chew up 1013 00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,320 my breakfast and spit it in the bag and then I eat it because 1014 00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:25,640 that's kind of what it feels like. 1015 00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,880 If you don't, if you have some, if you see something from 1016 00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,320 Mountain House, you think boy that looks good, get it from 1017 00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:34,080 Peak Refuel. Dude their breakfast is so much 1018 00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,960 their biscuits and gravy. It's like an actual biscuits. 1019 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,000 It's two biscuits. Yes. 1020 00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,200 There's two biscuits in the bag. It's awesome. 1021 00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,720 They make them itty little little, little itty bitty. 1022 00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:45,920 But Nova. Cooper said the peak refuel beef 1023 00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:47,520 stroganoff is amazing. He's right. 1024 00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,680 I see beef lasagna on mountain. Mountain House rebranded 1025 00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,320 everything. I pulled up their website to see 1026 00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,480 if I recognize any meals. Everything looks so much better 1027 00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,240 on the packaging. Yeah, I bet it tastes the same. 1028 00:52:59,240 --> 00:53:01,640 You know, somebody brought up spam over the fire. 1029 00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:04,800 I'm not going to lie, I like me some spam. 1030 00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:06,680 That's the best place to eat spam. 1031 00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,520 You just put it on a stick. Yeah, yeah. 1032 00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:11,960 I got a question that's geared towards you from YouTube, 1033 00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:13,040 Jeremiah. Yes. 1034 00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:14,680 Would you like to hear it please? 1035 00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:16,760 All right, it says. What is the release date for 1036 00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,240 Jeremiah's new merch line? Created by John, of course. 1037 00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,000 I should not have given you permission. 1038 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,720 I should have just eaten that one. 1039 00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:29,680 Well, I got to be honest, it's not coming down the pipeline at 1040 00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,280 the moment. That one's on the back burner. 1041 00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,720 So have you finally quit with a lie that after so many viewers 1042 00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:36,680 and so many, so many subscribers, you're going to 1043 00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,560 have merch? Did you finally quit with that? 1044 00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:46,440 We're trying to reach 100,000 subscribers and I'm doubling 1045 00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:51,120 down producing no content, gaining no traction. 1046 00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:57,720 But I'm doubling down 100,000 Subs and we will release a 1047 00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,440 viewer designed T-shirt. There you go. 1048 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,720 There you. Go sure it won't be great. 1049 00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,240 Oh man, I couldn't help but post that one. 1050 00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:11,280 Man, I thought that was great. I thought that was absolutely 1051 00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,160 great. Just a little dig there. 1052 00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,200 Just a little dig. I've got another one from 1053 00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,120 Melissa here. I was actually just getting 1054 00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,760 ready to post it. Oh well, go ahead, go ahead. 1055 00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:24,640 Let me let me get it on here because I want to make sure 1056 00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,920 everybody can read this one. It's a little long. 1057 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,840 It says we're, we're, we're seven too many, but we're going 1058 00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,280 to, I'm going to take off the last 7 letters and I'll tell 1059 00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:38,120 everybody what it says. So, OK, Are you ready for this? 1060 00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:43,080 Do it it. Says you climb to a pass at over 1061 00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,840 12,000 feet and as you do a severe storm breaks out with 1062 00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,560 lightning striking all around with cold rain and hail. 1063 00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,840 Do you continue through the pass or hunker down in a stand of 1064 00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,600 trees? 12,000 feet with lightning all 1065 00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,600 around you. I mean, I think what you're 1066 00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:02,360 supposed to do is Sprint down the mountain, but I don't This 1067 00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:07,040 podcast is not intended to give you advice. 1068 00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,880 There's my disclaimer. We're not trying to save lives 1069 00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,240 here. We're trying to entertain. 1070 00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:16,000 So not going to lie dude, my very very first backpacking trip 1071 00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:20,720 I was I was hiking and I met this through hacker on the AT 1072 00:55:21,240 --> 00:55:25,120 named hatchet Man. And Hatchet man told me a couple 1073 00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,920 of days ago that he got stuck in this situation. 1074 00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,240 Now it wasn't 12,000 feet because there's no mountains 1075 00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:33,080 that high on the AT, but I don't even know what the highest 1076 00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,440 mountain is on the AT, but I don't think it's about. 5 or 1077 00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,480 6000 isn't it? Yeah, I think it's like 6500, 1078 00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,400 maybe. It's under 7000 feet. 1079 00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:42,560 And you can Google it if you want. 1080 00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,200 And he told me he was on top of the mountain, and this started 1081 00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,120 happening to him. Severe weather, lightning 1082 00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,200 strikes struck a tree not far from him. 1083 00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:54,320 And he said that he ditched all of his gear, even threw his 1084 00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,880 watch down. And I was like, I don't think I 1085 00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:00,000 would have kept the watch. Bro threw his watch down because 1086 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,120 he was afraid of the metal, his trek and poles, ditched it all 1087 00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,680 and sprinted as fast as he could down the mountain and then 1088 00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,440 hunkered down at a lower elevation and then went back and 1089 00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,840 got his stuff. And I was just thinking, is that 1090 00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,360 really the right move? Is that what you're, if I was in 1091 00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,400 that situation, would I ditch my watch because it's metal? 1092 00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,600 Or are you supposed to like hunker down? 1093 00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:21,040 You're supposed to stay away from trees. 1094 00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,440 So I'm not really sure. Can I be honest? 1095 00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,160 This is going to this is, it's dumb on my part. 1096 00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:27,960 I'm just going to say it because it's who I am. 1097 00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:30,720 I don't want to have to re hike miles. 1098 00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,560 So I'm going to keep going. I'm just going to be honest. 1099 00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:36,600 I've hiked in so many thunderstorms at this point in 1100 00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:40,400 my life, and I'm probably very fortunate that I've never died 1101 00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:44,200 from lightning strikes, but I just, I'm probably going to 1102 00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,400 keep. Going well, I'm not going to go 1103 00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,680 through the past. We we did have a situation like 1104 00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,240 this whenever we were in Colorado. 1105 00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,200 Oh, get this so so people are going to here's some comments 1106 00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,840 Yeah, checking little tricks. I'm going to keep moving and 1107 00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:03,080 unlikely hiker I did. Wow, went right through it. 1108 00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:06,560 Those passes are so scary with weather rolling in. 1109 00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:10,120 Dude, 1:00 at one of those passes, you don't want to be 1110 00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,880 there with those storm crowd. We we hunkered down, we set up a 1111 00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:15,640 tarp. It was hailing on us. 1112 00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,040 I mean, I have it in the video. Believe it or not, I produced a 1113 00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:19,800 video for that tree. David Cooper says get off the 1114 00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:21,960 pass. Yeah, I mean, there's different 1115 00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:23,120 people are saying different comments. 1116 00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:26,200 J Flo retracted his comments. So I don't know what that one 1117 00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,920 is. Well, we backtracked, we 1118 00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:32,960 backtracked and got into the tree line and hunkered down and 1119 00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:34,400 just hope we didn't get struck by lightning. 1120 00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,600 But that I mean, that's, that's all I knew to do. 1121 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,880 I mean when you don't have any. Likely hiker said she stopped. 1122 00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:43,240 Oh, she stopped. She stopped. 1123 00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:44,320 I thought she said she went through. 1124 00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:46,200 Yeah, she said. She stopped. 1125 00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,480 But this is probably why my wife won't let me try and climb Mount 1126 00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,880 Everest, because I'll probably actually like when I should 1127 00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:54,280 have, should turn around and go back. 1128 00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,680 I won't. Hey, let me before we wrap here, 1129 00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:02,400 let me give a little shout out and little praise to a former 1130 00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:06,240 multi time guest on the show, Benny Braden. 1131 00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:11,640 Yeah, and if you're unfamiliar with him, go hit him up on 1132 00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:13,200 Facebook. Send him your thoughts and 1133 00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,560 prayers. He's an outdoorsman as well and 1134 00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:23,040 also a former EMSEMT Firefly first responder, basically. 1135 00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:28,560 And he works a lot with helping people overcome PTSD as a result 1136 00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:30,640 of being in those fields. Because if you don't, if you 1137 00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:34,720 haven't thought about it, first responders see a lot of terrible 1138 00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,400 things, especially when it comes to car accidents. 1139 00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,360 And, you know, just responding to the calls. 1140 00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,320 And he's seen a lot of terrible things. 1141 00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,680 And he helps other people get through those. 1142 00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,000 And I can only imagine how tough that is. 1143 00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:53,080 But he experienced a car accident that left him in a 1144 00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,840 pretty bad spot. And he had surgery a couple of 1145 00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:58,560 days ago. It's been a few days. 1146 00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:02,560 If you're listening this Friday. And we just want to say thoughts 1147 00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:06,560 and prayers out to Benny Braden. We're thinking of you. 1148 00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,120 We're praying for you. Hope you recover well from your 1149 00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,360 surgery after going through that with car accident. 1150 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,120 I think it's, I think it's about all I had to say about it. 1151 00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,040 Yeah, Benny's just a good man, that's all I must say. 1152 00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:23,200 He's just a good man. He he genuinely cares about 1153 00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:27,240 people and he he sees the best in people and he does everything 1154 00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:32,640 he can to help people. And big fan of Benny's and so 1155 00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,360 definitely been praying for him and hoping that that he heals up 1156 00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,080 quick. So yeah. 1157 00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,560 Tennessee Local. Yes Sir. 1158 00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:42,360 Yes Sir. Well with that said, this has 1159 00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,720 been a fun episode man. Yeah, dude, fun little Q&A. 1160 00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,480 I'm glad you had the idea to do AQ and A this week. 1161 00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:50,080 Actually, I think it was your idea. 1162 00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,360 Oh. I thought it was your idea, but 1163 00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,160 I'll take credit if you want to give it to me that. 1164 00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:55,840 That initial question that we had. 1165 00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,320 You brought up. What if we did AQ and A and I 1166 00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:03,280 was like, that's a great idea. I have the question verbatim. 1167 01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:06,760 We've already moved on from it, but yeah, I have it. 1168 01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,440 Yeah. I think it's always fun getting 1169 01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:14,560 feedback from the viewers. That's that's why we love doing 1170 01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,120 the live streams. If anybody ever wants to be on 1171 01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:20,480 here and interact with us live and not just listen, we love for 1172 01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,680 you listening to, of course, sit back and enjoy. 1173 01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,240 Go on your run or your hike or whatever you're doing right now, 1174 01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:29,480 driving in your car, going to Chipotle, whatever you're doing, 1175 01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,320 We love you listening. But if you ever want to interact 1176 01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:36,160 with us live, feel free to join us on Wednesdays or 430 is 1177 01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,760 somewhere in there. Usually around 4:30 Eastern 1178 01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:42,840 Standard Time, 4:30 PM. We hop on YouTube and live 1179 01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:46,920 stream this on the backpacking podcast YouTube channel and then 1180 01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:50,080 it's accessible. Spotify, YouTube, Apple Podcasts 1181 01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:51,560 and everywhere you get your podcasts. 1182 01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:55,640 Absolutely. And we do have merch, so if you 1183 01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:58,080 go on our YouTube channel, you should be able to see where our 1184 01:00:58,080 --> 01:00:59,320 merch is. There's a link there on the 1185 01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:04,560 channel and you can buy actual shirts that have the backpacking 1186 01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:07,360 podcast on it. It would be great if you guys 1187 01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:11,480 wore those and shot pictures to us on Instagram of you guys 1188 01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:13,440 wearing those shirts and we'll put those up on the podcast 1189 01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,560 because I, I think it'd just be cool to see people wearing 1190 01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,360 backpacking podcast shirts. I agree. 1191 01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:22,720 I think it'd be fun and fantastic, John. 1192 01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,160 It it is good swag. Let me tell you, it's good swag. 1193 01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:29,000 And with that said, thank you guys for tuning in and we will 1194 01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,440 catch you next week on the next one.