1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:03,240 Yeah. Put the team on my back. 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:05,600 What is going on? Welcome to the backpacking 3 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:07,880 podcast brought to you by Outdoor Vitals, makers of 4 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,120 Performance First Ultra light gear. 5 00:00:10,120 --> 00:00:12,960 And with me always my good friend Jeremiah Stringer, the 6 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:17,000 king of Kentucky backpacking and one good looking red headed man. 7 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:19,680 Jeremiah, how are you this morning, my buddy? 8 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:21,080 Dude. Afternoon. 9 00:00:21,080 --> 00:00:22,920 It's not morning, it's afternoon, Yeah. 10 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:24,920 We have. We're starting the show here a 11 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:26,600 couple minutes late, but that's OK. 12 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:28,240 Thank you everybody for joining us. 13 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:32,240 I'm doing fantastic. It's hump day and I just gorged 14 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:34,920 myself on ice cream. We had ice cream day at work so. 15 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,360 Nice, nice, yeah. Fantastic, Todd. 16 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,640 For first place on the best desserts, by the way. 17 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,160 Ice cream, cheesecake and brownie. 18 00:00:42,160 --> 00:00:44,920 In no particular order. It's you, yes. 19 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:46,760 That's fantastic. That's fantastic. 20 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:48,960 Yeah. Diabetes down here in Kentucky, 21 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,240 we don't call it diabetes, We call it the diabetes. 22 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:52,920 That's right. Jeremiah, why don't you tell us 23 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,640 a little bit about what Outdoor Vitals has going on right now? 24 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,360 Yeah, dude, I got an e-mail, I'm signed up for all of Outdoor 25 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,000 Vitals emails. So I get notified anytime they 26 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,720 have a sale or a new product coming or something, you know, 27 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:05,200 is in stock that hasn't been in stock. 28 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,800 And we talked before about this Pursuit hybrid fleece, it is 29 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,840 back in stock. So order now and they're 30 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,480 currently running to sell up to 18% off the Ventus active 31 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:16,800 hoodie. And both of these are perfect 32 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,960 pieces of gear for the shoulder season that we're in right now. 33 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:24,680 And I literally took the hybrid fleece with me on a trip over 34 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,120 the weekend and. One of the things I really like 35 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:31,680 about the vent is it's super lightweight and it's just one of 36 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:33,680 those things that just fits well as a mid layer. 37 00:01:33,960 --> 00:01:36,720 Even as an outer layer when it's warmer outside, it's a great 38 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,520 piece of gear. I'll tell you what folks, let me 39 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,240 tell you about a piece of gear that I got to use this weekend 40 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:46,520 that I didn't get to use before I got the opportunity to use the 41 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:51,640 carbon Evo 50 this past weekend from outdoor vitals. 42 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,720 The backpack and I'm going to say something that might be kind 43 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,760 of controversial. I think that is a more 44 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,000 comfortable pack than the Z packs are call. 45 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,080 Wow. And you know my love for the Z 46 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:04,880 packs. Our call. 47 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,600 It's the go to. It's been my backpack for four 48 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:11,039 or five years now, and I've not. I keep trying other backpacks 49 00:02:11,039 --> 00:02:14,880 and I always go back to it. I think I'm gonna be using this 50 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:16,520 Carbon Evo for the whole year, man. 51 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,960 Like it is. It's nice. 52 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,320 I was shocked. I, I didn't, I wasn't expecting 53 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,760 it to be that comfortable. I knew it would be comfortable, 54 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:26,800 but I didn't know it would be that comfortable. 55 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:30,920 Yeah, dude, I coincidentally enough, I went out over the 56 00:02:30,920 --> 00:02:35,840 weekend as well, and I said I'm making it my goal to use this 57 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,960 backpack because I couldn't remember if I'd used it like two 58 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,200 or three trips ago. And then I found some cough 59 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,280 drops in my hip belt pocket and I was like, Oh yeah, that's got 60 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:49,280 Jeremiah written all over it. I definitely used it and I said 61 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,040 let me break it out again, dude, I don't know what it is about. 62 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:57,400 I don't know if it's the wide shoulder straps or if it's just 63 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:01,160 the sponginess of the pad that goes against your back, but it's 64 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,040 one of the most comfortable backpacks out. 65 00:03:03,920 --> 00:03:07,320 The shadow light was good. Yeah, this is great. 66 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,640 Oh, it's phenomenal. And I don't know, I had to make 67 00:03:10,640 --> 00:03:13,680 some sacrifices. I'm not gonna lie, John, I did 68 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:18,560 not bring the 0° because my 0° top and under because the 69 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,520 weather is like it's supposed to be, you know, 52 is the low. 70 00:03:21,920 --> 00:03:23,440 Yeah. And I said, you know, you 71 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:27,520 usually want to do like plus 10 -, 10 on your gear. 72 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,760 So if you think it's going to be 50 you down by that water, it 73 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:35,320 might be 40. So I did bring my 40° under and 74 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,920 my 15°. I think it's the storm loft. 75 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,880 I've used the 30° storm loft. Yeah, so they would. 76 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,720 We didn't even play in the. This either by the way, no. 77 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,880 No, we actually, he didn't even know I went on a trip because my 78 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,200 trip was like the last second, like Thursday night, couple 79 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,280 buddies. We were talking and 1 was like, 80 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:54,720 hey, I'm going to go to the gorge tomorrow night. 81 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:56,080 Supposed to be really nice. You want to go? 82 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:00,040 I'm like, yeah, it's. So we just packed up stuff quick 83 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:01,720 and headed out. I had to get up the next morning 84 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,600 at like 5:00 and be on the trail before 6 because my wife had to 85 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,800 be somewhere that morning so I had to get home quick so she 86 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,640 could get out with the kids. But yeah, use the Storm Loft 87 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:15,680 quilt. I used the the carbon Evo. 88 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,640 It was just great stuff, man. The the gear that Obi's putting 89 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:20,800 out is then this isn't because they sponsor us. 90 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,280 It's genuinely good gear. Yeah, absolutely loved it dude. 91 00:04:24,280 --> 00:04:28,560 And I'll say the hip belt pockets, I I even had to show 92 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,760 Mr. Backpacking with Jason, Sir. I said, dude, you got to see 93 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:32,360 this. They really open and close. 94 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:36,280 It's on, but why isn't every backpacking company still in 95 00:04:36,280 --> 00:04:38,600 this idea? It's like this is the only 96 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,920 backpack I have. All these backpacks behind me. 97 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:42,600 Look, that's where the carbon goes. 98 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,160 It's blank, right? Now right here. 99 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,800 Every single how many of those open with one hand on the hip 100 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:49,840 belt pockets? Not a single one. 101 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,960 I have one backpack that does it and it's this carbon shadow 102 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,960 light and I could talk about it all day. 103 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,360 I want to tell you a little bit about my trip, John, but if 104 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,120 anybody wants to check out any of the outdoor vitals gear, we 105 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,120 will link it in the description below. 106 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,520 You can check out the sales that they're having on the Ventus. 107 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,680 You can check out the hybrid fleece since it's back in stock 108 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,880 and check out this backpack that it seems like John and I are 109 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,920 falling in love with even though it's forcing me to take less 110 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,520 gear because I usually carry like a 75 liter backpack and 111 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:25,240 this one's a what is it a 60 50A50? 112 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:29,400 OK so I I somehow did it man and I don't regret it. 113 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,120 This is the same size I always carry. 114 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,200 I always carry a 50 liter unless it's Z packs because Z packs are 115 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,280 way small. Like they they aren't really 50 116 00:05:36,280 --> 00:05:38,400 liters. Those are like 35 liter 117 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,720 backpacks when it says 50 but we won't get into that. 118 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:45,720 I will say my whole sleep system is the most ridiculous like 119 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,400 mixed up mess of stuff. I was I was showing a buddy of 120 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,680 mine. I have a Dutch wear, a Dutch 121 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:56,520 wear gear hammock and some connector things from them. 122 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,160 I've got guidelines from alien loop. 123 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:05,600 My tarp is a hammock gear, my under quilts from UGQ, my top 124 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:11,560 quilt is from outdoor vitals, and my pillow is a Thermarest. 125 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:13,160 You are well-rounded. I am. 126 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:17,080 I am not beholden to anyone brand, let's just put it that 127 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:21,360 way. Well, I love your integrity, 128 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,040 dude. And like John says, it's not 129 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:25,400 just because they sponsor the show. 130 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:26,800 That's. Great to hear. 131 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,560 But let me tell you a little bit about my show Outdoor Vitals or 132 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:32,680 a little bit about my trip outdoorvitals.com. 133 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:38,080 Check it out in the description. So dude, I talked to Mr. 134 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:42,440 Backpacking with Jason, Sir. And this was the first time I've 135 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:47,080 had one-on-one time backpacking with Grandpa, even though he 136 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,520 wants to call be called J Pop. It's Dad. 137 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:51,160 It's Dad. Yeah, back in with Dad. 138 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,880 Well, we had a kid and so I was gonna change it to Grandpa, but 139 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:59,560 he vetoed it. Surprisingly, he says Nope, I'm 140 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:03,080 not Grandpa. I'm J Pop or Uncle J Pop. 141 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,800 And I said no your grandpa, but I digress. 142 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:07,720 That's something like. 80s rapper name. 143 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:11,080 I just want to point that out. J Pop, that's not a rapper name 144 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,840 today because it would be made fun of, but like in the 80s that 145 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:17,240 would have been super like rap name. 146 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:22,040 Let me tell you. Well, I made a little mistake 147 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:23,600 here, John. Unsurprisingly. 148 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,160 I was about how you were describing throwing your things 149 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,760 together and like you guys were like, yeah, let's go meet, let's 150 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,920 get out there. I did the same, but I did start 151 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,360 packing two days before. Almost never do it. 152 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,640 I am a last minute Packer most of the time, even though I 153 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,000 always advocate for packing early. 154 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:46,720 And my little mistake was I was driving on the way to the 155 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:53,680 trailhead and I said Bridget, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, 156 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:55,680 called my mom, talked to her about Mother's Day. 157 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,280 Happy late Mother's Day to everybody, by the way, talk to 158 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,080 my mom about Mother's Day because I was wanting to meet 159 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,160 with her Sunday. Called Bridget, hey, I'm not 160 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:03,400 going to have service, blah, blah, blah. 161 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,240 And I was like, oh, there's a Dollar General. 162 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,040 I had forgotten. I didn't bring any food with me. 163 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:10,800 I would. OK, so here's the thing. 164 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:12,760 And people got to understand, this is not the first time this 165 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,480 has happened to Jeremiah. This is a pattern of behavior. 166 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,800 Starting to become like normal, so we really need to be thinking 167 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:20,040 about Jeremiah here. Well. 168 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:26,160 What happened was when I put my food lists together, what I like 169 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,520 to do is I do this. I don't know how well y'all can 170 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:35,600 see that in the camera, but I like to buy stuff along the way 171 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,600 if I have to. But I fill out a little chart 172 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,799 that tells me breakfast, snack, lunch, snack, dinner and then 173 00:08:40,799 --> 00:08:44,360 dessert. And I have on here, I don't need 174 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,920 breakfast, snack or lunch because I'll be at work all day 175 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,200 Friday. And then I needed a beef jerky. 176 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,000 I had forgot my lunch at school so I was like, I'll just take 177 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,360 that with me for dinner. It was some pasta bake that I'd 178 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,520 brought as leftovers and then I didn't have really anything 179 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,240 else. I was like, if I had forgotten 180 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,560 all, if I had just taken that the whole time, the only thing I 181 00:09:04,560 --> 00:09:07,720 would have had the entire trip was the pasta bake leftover from 182 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:12,280 2 days ago from my house. So luckily when I was on the 183 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,800 phone with Bridget, I was like, oh, crap, Bridget, I just passed 184 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,800 the Dollar General and I just remembered I didn't bring any 185 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,720 food for this trip. So I had to whip the truck 186 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,080 around. And this is like, this is in the 187 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,200 middle of nowhere. By the way, people give Dollar 188 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:27,720 General like a bad Rep, but it's the only store around there. 189 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,560 It's in these food deserts. Back me up here, John. 190 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,360 They they put them in the towns, but like these old country 191 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,120 roads, that's the only thing out there. 192 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:38,080 But they put them out there. They. 193 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:42,880 Put them out there and people drag him through the mud because 194 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,920 there are some shady stuff that goes on with the Dollar General 195 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:47,880 on their pricing. But that's a story for a 196 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,160 different day. So I went into the Dollar 197 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:54,840 General, I bought my food, headed on out to the trail and 198 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,080 met up with Jason. He unfortunately was waiting on 199 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,240 a Stringer because I got there like 15 minutes late because I 200 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,360 was talking to the lady at the front desk of the Dollar 201 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,960 General. She was the manager and. 202 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,680 Talking to somebody. I know. 203 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:15,720 Well my currency is like like my socialness. 204 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:20,760 So I was talking with her. Anyway, Long story short, I 205 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:26,560 headed on out and Jason and I, we walked in and we had sort of 206 00:10:26,560 --> 00:10:29,080 a spot picked out. But to get there, you had one 207 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:33,640 good Creek crossing. And I said, Jason, last time we 208 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:37,640 come through here, I took my shoes off and walked across on 209 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,000 the way in. The last time we went in there, 210 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,480 I just trudged right through. I said I whatever. 211 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,200 And then I regretted it. I said, what are you going to 212 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,280 do, dude? He said, well, I'm going to just 213 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,120 walk on through. I'm going to roll my pant legs 214 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,000 up and I'm going to walk on through the water. 215 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,440 And I said, dude, this is our only Creek crossing. 216 00:10:54,680 --> 00:10:56,400 Our camp is like a mile from here. 217 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:58,200 And he's like, yeah, I'm just going to take my shoes off, put 218 00:10:58,200 --> 00:10:59,600 my hey, dudes on when we get there. 219 00:10:59,960 --> 00:11:02,520 And I said, well, you're going to have to wait on me. 220 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,360 You might as well take your shoes off because I'm taking my 221 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,480 shoes off, putting the Crocs on. He said, Nope, I'm going on 222 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,680 through. And so he watched me from the 223 00:11:09,680 --> 00:11:13,040 other side of the Creek sit down, take my shoes off, take my 224 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,400 socks off, walk, put my Crocs on, walk across, and then do all 225 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:21,200 that in reverse. And the main he just standing 226 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,000 there. He said, I only have hey dudes 227 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,600 and I don't want to walk across barefoot. 228 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,480 And the hey dudes aren't like Crocs, you know, they're made of 229 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,280 fabric. Crocs are just like a piece of 230 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,160 rubber. So I said, OK, just wait on me 231 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:32,720 over there. He waited on me. 232 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:34,520 I changed back and we headed on to camp. 233 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:39,040 We went out to the Narrows on the Rock Castle River. 234 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:41,520 And cool. I don't know if you've ever been 235 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,240 there before, but once you reach the Narrows, this is like a 236 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,160 section of the river where it's a bunch of Rapids, so people 237 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,720 will drive their boats up from B Rock Campground. 238 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:52,760 Oh, did I lose you? I'm still here. 239 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:53,920 Start that over again real quick. 240 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,280 Yeah, I'm still here. Don't worry, I'll fix all that 241 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,480 in post. The people live are the only one 242 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,200 here in this right now. All right, so action. 243 00:12:01,560 --> 00:12:03,800 We're gone again. Nope, I'm still here. 244 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,680 I'm fighting through it. I'm still here. 245 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,280 Give me a thumbs up if you could still hear me, John. 246 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:12,680 All right. Just disappeared. 247 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:14,800 OK, All right. Anyway. 248 00:12:15,560 --> 00:12:17,120 So now I'm going to go thumbs down. 249 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,120 Let's do this. Let's get some comments in here 250 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:21,240 while we're while we're sitting here. 251 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,680 We had some great ones here just a little bit ago. 252 00:12:24,680 --> 00:12:27,320 Ben McMillan, where are you at? It's right here. 253 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,960 Ben actually made the comment. I don't have sponsor money. 254 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,760 I have chat and troll my friends for free money and I know Ben 255 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,600 and he's not kidding. He actually does that. 256 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,920 He actually does that. Let's see, what else do we have 257 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:42,920 on here? I'm just going through some 258 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:47,360 comments, Jeremiah. So one person put in here. 259 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,400 Where was it? I want to make sure I get this 260 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,800 in here. We were talking about backpacks 261 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:56,040 and somebody asked the question, why aren't you all carrying the 262 00:12:56,040 --> 00:13:02,680 Raven for Ben McMillan? Well, it's a frameless pack and 263 00:13:02,680 --> 00:13:05,200 if you love frameless packs, it's probably the best frameless 264 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:06,920 pack you're ever going to buy in your whole life. 265 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,480 But I have a hate, hate relationship with frameless 266 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:14,160 packs. I've not been, but with 267 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,760 frameless packs, I don't I can't get them comfortable. 268 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:20,200 I can't pack them right. I'm a failure with I it's just 269 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,000 bad for me. I'm not a big fan of it. 270 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,600 So yeah. So I don't do the frameless 271 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,000 packs. I know some people love them and 272 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,560 I think I think the phenomenal I've seen the one that Jason has 273 00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:35,360 sweet pack, sweet pack, but definitely not one that I'm 274 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,600 gonna carry cuz I like my frame. I just like my frame. 275 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,040 Take some delicate packing on the frameless. 276 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:42,360 It really does. It really does. 277 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:47,840 Hey Derwin off the rails, give us a 499 little gift here, super 278 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,000 chat said got my zenbivy. It feels so nice. 279 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,840 They even honored a discount they started yesterday and 280 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,920 refunded what I paid over the current discount. 281 00:13:55,920 --> 00:14:02,200 Wow, that's that's impressive. That doesn't happen often. 282 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:06,320 So congratulations on that man and thank you for for passing 283 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,840 the savings on to us. That's really nice of you. 284 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:10,840 Zenbivy. That's the one that like, goes 285 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:14,880 around the pad, isn't it? Yep, it is, David Cooper says. 286 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:16,920 I too. I am too a bad. 287 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,480 I am too bad of a Packer for a frameless pack. 288 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,960 You got to structure everything in such a way that it gives it, 289 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,600 you know, some rigidity. I'm not great at it either. 290 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,000 You're like, what is that punching in my back? 291 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:31,400 Oh, I shouldn't have put that there. 292 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,200 Hey, people are really caring for you right now. 293 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,280 Jeremiah, just so you know this, if I can get it on here. 294 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,080 At my Taco Bell Internet. Well, somebody, somebody just 295 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,000 made this statement. Let me see if I can see this, 296 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,760 Derwin. Let's start some super chats for 297 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,880 Jeremiah's Wi-Fi. And we already got one from Ben 298 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:52,480 McMillan and it's for $4.36 for extra Internet bandwidth. 299 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,840 Dude Spectrum, I absolutely hate them. 300 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,880 Dude. They come to the house and they 301 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:03,760 like fix my Internet and every time, every time they fix it, 302 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,200 they say you realize you're using our equipment and you need 303 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:10,600 to buy like Googles or Netgear or like some some other 304 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:14,920 providers like Internet gear. I'm like, well, that's what I'm 305 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:16,280 paying you for. I don't want to have to go buy 306 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:17,520 that stuff. And they're like, yeah, but it's 307 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:19,440 better. And I'm like, OK, so maybe I'll 308 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,200 use those super chats and finally upgrade from the the 309 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,360 Netflix. Here, let me spot you some gear. 310 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,320 Yeah, and Ben's giving us a hard time, which he should. 311 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,200 He says the biggest tip to start using a frameless pack is to 312 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:36,440 stop crying so much. That's good man, keep it 313 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,280 covered. Tusha, I love it. 314 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:41,920 OK, I'll finish up what I was saying here. 315 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,360 And John, thank you for doing such a phenomenal job hosting 316 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,560 and producing the show, especially in my absence with my 317 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:52,600 Taco Bell Internet. I just like the idea of Taco 318 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,560 Bell Internet. I actually kind of want to eat 319 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:56,160 some Taco Bell now. We shouldn't have said that. 320 00:15:56,280 --> 00:16:00,640 Well, they they did build a new Taco Bell on the South end of 321 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,680 town, so maybe I'll take you out the next time you're down. 322 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,160 Here I need, I need to come down and visit sometime soon. 323 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,640 So I haven't seen, I haven't seen junior in forever, so. 324 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,880 Yeah, come on with it. So this is what I was going to 325 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,560 tell you. We, we crossed the Creek, we 326 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:18,400 went on to our campsite and dude, literally right as we were 327 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,880 descending into the campsite, I stepped on a rock. 328 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:25,800 My foot slid down and I was telling Jason, dude, these 329 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:27,640 trekking poles don't look super strong. 330 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,320 And it just absolutely snapped in half. 331 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,160 My trekking pole. I I wish I had it here. 332 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:35,520 I'd show you. Which ones do you have? 333 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:36,920 Do you still have the Gossamer Gear ones? 334 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:38,760 Well, I'm going to be honest, John, I have a bunch of 335 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,640 different trekking poles. I got like AI did have a trash 336 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:45,800 can in here, but then I started using the trash can to like just 337 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:47,880 a place to put all the trekking poles when I started organizing 338 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:51,000 this room. And so I have the one I have 339 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,000 every trek and pole that I've ever started with. 340 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,360 So for years I've been collecting these trekking poles 341 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,760 and I was looking through them for this trip and I said, which 342 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:02,040 one should I take? And I picked out the nature hike 343 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:03,880 ones. And I think it's the ones that 344 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,319 remember whenever they sent out those nature hike chairs and 345 00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:08,720 they had to redo them because one of the components broke. 346 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:11,880 Oh, the chair would break. Yeah, I remember that when they 347 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:13,240 were sending those out a while back. 348 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,520 Yeah, so the. Big thank you to during off the 349 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:19,480 Rails 499 more bandwidth and Mike it's becoming expensive 350 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,760 podcast to visit so. Thank. 351 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:26,440 You I appreciate your kindness in in in sharing your finances 352 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:27,880 with us. Yeah. 353 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,440 So they, they, so Jeremiah's talking about a chair that was 354 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:35,640 going out a while back from nature hike that actually it, it 355 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,320 just basically snapped on a bunch of creators while they 356 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,160 were trying to use it. It was just a big mess for 357 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,480 everybody. Chicken Little Trex also gave us 358 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,800 another $4.99 and said, here's my share with Derwin. 359 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:49,280 So you guys are, we're, we're going to get Jeremiah figured 360 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:50,640 out, man. We're going to get, we're going 361 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:52,880 to get it figured out for you. We're going to run landlines is 362 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,080 what we're going to do. I think, I think get, get rid of 363 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:56,840 the Wi-Fi part. Let's just run a landline. 364 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:58,320 We'll be good. That's a good idea. 365 00:17:58,840 --> 00:17:59,760 That's a good. Idea. 366 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:06,720 Yeah, so my trekking pole broke and luckily enough, whenever 367 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:10,880 Jason, I went to go get some water, somebody, this is just my 368 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,640 luck trek and pole brakes, but I gained a fishing pole. 369 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,800 They had left a fishing pole, rod and reel and a whole box of 370 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:19,920 baits. Durbin says hello. 371 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:24,360 I was just kidding. So I woke up the next morning 372 00:18:24,360 --> 00:18:27,480 and started fishing and I was like, this is this is perfect. 373 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,560 Everybody brings their boats up to the to the Narrows because 374 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:32,920 you can't drive past them and that's where they fish at. 375 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:34,600 There's like a giant pool of water. 376 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:39,520 And I didn't get a single bot. I don't know who left that 377 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,720 fishing pole. I don't know who left the tackle 378 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:47,120 box, but I would use different tackle if I was that person I'm 379 00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:48,600 going to blame it on. I'm going to blame it on their 380 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:52,760 equipment and not my lack. Of fault, no doubt about it. 0 381 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:54,400 accountability is what we call that. 382 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,040 That's right. So yeah, it turned out to be a 383 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:57,920 good trip. Dude. 384 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:00,320 I didn't have to get up early the next day. 385 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,520 I know that you said you had to head out pretty early, but I 386 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,000 slept in. Jason and I walked out together, 387 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,120 stayed up pretty late and enjoyed like a 360 view of the 388 00:19:08,120 --> 00:19:11,320 stars on a sandy beach. It was it was amazing. 389 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,040 Have a little backpack on Mr. Backpack with Jason Sir. 390 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,000 One-on-one time. That's awesome. 391 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:16,680 That's awesome. Yeah. 392 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:21,040 I was supposed to go out a few weeks ago, had a little 2 day 393 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,320 trip I was going to go out on and did something to my Achilles 394 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,360 and, and it's dumb, but I'm going to tell you how I did it, 395 00:19:28,360 --> 00:19:30,520 Jeremiah. We're playing a game with my 396 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:34,920 kids called Parents Versus Kids and there's challenges 397 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,360 throughout this game. And one of the challenges was 398 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:39,440 the parents and the kids all to stand. 399 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,080 All had to stand and pretend like they were jumping rope and 400 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,200 you had to keep jumping. And the last person to stop 401 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,000 wins. I should have quit after like 2 402 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:47,400 seconds. You. 403 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,200 Can't let the kids win. I went and I went, I went 404 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,000 forever and I looked at my daughter said you're not going 405 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,560 to stop, are you? And she goes, Nope. 406 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,240 And she just kept going. I finally stopped the next day. 407 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:01,960 I could barely move my foot. And and so my Achilles, this is 408 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:03,920 what happens when you're 50. It's like you sneeze and 409 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,720 everything hurts. But so my Achilles was injured, 410 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,080 so I didn't get to go on that trip. 411 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,640 And so I got to go on this one. And man, it was just awesome to 412 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,840 be back out there hiking. It still hurts, but it's not as 413 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,040 bad as it was. But yeah, we got out there at 414 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:22,200 around 7:30 at night. We arrived and we hiked up to 415 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,000 our campsite. I know I can't take away. 416 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:28,240 We got there about 6:30, 63645. We hiked up to our camp to 417 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,400 Hanson's Point because we wanted a quick place we could get to. 418 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,360 Found a campsite, went looking for firewood and realized there 419 00:20:35,360 --> 00:20:37,400 was another campsite that somebody was out of head and 420 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,720 they've gotten all the firewood. Dude, they probably still there. 421 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,800 I put stack of wood there, yeah. No, the people. 422 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:45,760 Yeah, the people were there. Oh, OK, and. 423 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,600 They had like a 5 foot stack of firewood, like they picked the 424 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,200 place dry. And so we did what we were able 425 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,000 to get a fire. We figured out what to do. 426 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,760 We were able to get a fire going, but it took a while to 427 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:58,840 get wood and hung out, had some dinner. 428 00:20:59,960 --> 00:21:03,440 Then the next morning at 5, AMI woke up to a chorus of whipper 429 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,000 wills. And I mean a chorus of whipper 430 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,520 wills. We had one demon birds. 431 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,600 Whipper, wheel whipper. Wheel, I'm telling you, there 432 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,720 had to be at least a dozen of these things in the woods. 433 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,640 And if you've never heard whipper wheels in the Red River 434 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,800 Gorge, be thankful because they're satanic. 435 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:25,240 And, and so I woke up to those, got out of my my hammock, went 436 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,440 ahead and packed everything up. The guys had woken up shortly 437 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,960 after that. I kind of gave them each one of 438 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:36,680 these and I hiked right on down the trail and I was in my car by 439 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,000 6:30. Why are you just an early riser? 440 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,080 Just in general. Oh yeah, yeah. 441 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,640 By choice or that's just how your body is. 442 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,240 At this point in my life, once I had kids, there was no sleeping 443 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,040 in anymore. Now my body just doesn't sleep 444 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:49,320 in. Yeah. 445 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:50,960 What's the deal? I've been waking up every 446 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,440 morning at like 540 and I'm like I've got to pee and then I get 447 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,840 up in. Real life now Jeremiah 448 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,760 obligation. Bro what is going on here? 449 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,720 I thought I was just here for a good time. 450 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaking of real. Life, I think it's time to face 451 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,760 it. There's privilege and through 452 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,360 hiking. This is the homework assignment. 453 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,600 This, this is the one if you were watching last week, we 454 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,920 asked you guys go home and read this article. 455 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:21,480 We put a link to it on our Spotify and I can't remember if 456 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,040 we put the link on on YouTube or not. 457 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:24,440 I thought we did, but I didn't see it there. 458 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,840 So that would be my fault. But there was an article by 459 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,880 Backpacker magazine called It's Time to Face It, There's 460 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:35,520 Privilege and through hiking. And if you read this article I 461 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:40,480 would love to hear your comments and and y'all know I got 462 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,520 opinions but I want to hear Jeremiah's thoughts. 463 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:49,040 So I'm actually going to let Jeremiah share his thoughts on 464 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:53,920 on this article and I will. I will be the one that sits back 465 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,880 and waits to give my opinion. OK, well first let me set it up. 466 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,640 I want to give you, for anybody that didn't get a chance to read 467 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:07,080 the article, I want to in like 4 or five sentences, give you a 468 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,920 summary of the article, if that's OK. 469 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:10,840 John, I don't know if that's your. 470 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,200 Internet doesn't go out. We're good. 471 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,680 OK, here, everybody. Cross your fingers. 472 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:15,920 We're Olive. Here we go. 473 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:20,080 So it's by Maggie Slepian. I think that's how you say your 474 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,680 name. And she notes that while through 475 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,240 hiking is challenging, the ability to even start often 476 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:30,000 comes from having financial stability, flexible work, and 477 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,560 good health. She highlights that most through 478 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:37,520 hikers are white and male, and many spend around $1200 a month 479 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,320 on the trail. The point of the article is not 480 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,000 guilt, but awareness that through hiking itself is a 481 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:47,200 privilege, and this can open up conversations about inclusivity 482 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,120 when it comes to the outdoors. OK, you want my opinion, John? 483 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,040 Here we go. Give it to me. 484 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,560 I think that Maggie is a great person. 485 00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:00,160 I respect her right to express her viewpoints and hopefully she 486 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,800 expresses or she respects my right to express mine. 487 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,280 I don't know. I think everything in life, 488 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,680 you're going to have some degree of privilege. 489 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,720 I'm very blessed to be born where I'm born. 490 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,000 In the time I'm born. It's the best time, in my 491 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:20,760 opinion, to ever be alive. I'm able to drive to work, I can 492 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:25,200 walk, I can run. You know, I'm super blessed in 493 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:29,600 all aspects of life. So she brings up a lot of points 494 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,760 of, you know, if you look at the statistics, you can look at the 495 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,880 demographic of the outdoors. And if you compare that, it, it 496 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,440 looks like on the surface that not everybody has the same 497 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,680 opportunities. And as an educator, I deal with 498 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,720 this on the daily, right? Because we're looking at, we 499 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,920 want equal opportunity, not equal outcomes because life 500 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,800 ain't fair and we are born in different places closer or 501 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:59,400 further from the finish line. But my main gripe with her on on 502 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,360 this article to give her a little push back. 503 00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:05,760 She she makes some good points. But my main gripe is the the 504 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,720 people that she's naming in the article. 505 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:18,360 Specifically, two of them would would be LGBTQ plus and BIPOC, 506 00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:20,200 which I wasn't familiar with that. 507 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:25,880 I am a white male, so BIPOC, BIPOC. 508 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,000 I don't know if you say it like that or if you're supposed to 509 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,760 spell out the letters, but it was like Black, Indigenous, 510 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,320 people of color. Yeah, people of color. 511 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,520 And I don't know, I'm, I just think those aren't the only 512 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:43,280 people that aren't privileged. And I feel like sometimes we we 513 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:48,800 make everything a gender situation or a race situation. 514 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:54,000 And in reality, look, I might be born white and born male, but I 515 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,240 wasn't born rich and I don't know where the finish line is, 516 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,360 but where I was born, I couldn't see it. 517 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,640 OK. I had to fight through life and 518 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,280 just like a lot of other. People did. 519 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,280 And in your man, we lived on. We had food stamps as kids. 520 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:13,960 Yeah, we were eating. I mean, I thought that rice and 521 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,960 a piece of bread and some gravy over it was a gourmet meal. 522 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,320 Like that was literally dinner for us sometimes. 523 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,640 I eat a lot of Pinto beans and cornbread, a lot of Salisbury 524 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,760 steak out of the microwave. I mean, pasta, yeah, I still eat 525 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:28,840 a lot of pasta. It's delicious. 526 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:36,120 But my point is, is that I think it's good to make points in the 527 00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:40,240 article and give everybody equal opportunity, but we're all 528 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,280 interested in different things and correlation doesn't always 529 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,640 equal causation. And if you look at the stats, I 530 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,720 mean, it's a, it's a nuanced situation, right? 531 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,760 You, you look at through hiking and she's basically saying you 532 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,320 need these things in order to be able to through hike. 533 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,880 So, oh, look at Bridget. You y'all might have heard in 534 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,320 the background. My, my wife and son arrived out, 535 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,480 but she says Bridget. Bridget says baby Jay says hide 536 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,280 that day. He was screaming in the 537 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,400 background. But, and I need to, I do need to 538 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,640 know before we go further that Ben McMillan says he got a tip 539 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,280 that someone saw Oliver Anthony still in his fishing pole. 540 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,240 Oh my. Oh my God. 541 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,720 OK, sorry, my internet's stopping. 542 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,920 I'll see you got sorry and then. Well, here's the thing. 543 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,160 During Off the Rails says, Are you sure it wasn't Eddie Vetter 544 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,480 Ben? He's a known fishing pole thief. 545 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,320 Yeah, that fishing pole hadn't been there for that long, by the 546 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:42,080 way, but I saw multiple boats stop, tie their boats off and 547 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,960 walk up by the narrow. So I assume that, you know, 548 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:46,600 somebody just walked off and left it. 549 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,040 But I was there over 9. They never came back for it. 550 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,480 Anyway, here's the point I want to make, John, to push back. 551 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,440 You do have to be careful saying that the trail equalizes 552 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,520 everybody. But the reality is, is once you 553 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,920 get out there, the trail don't care at all. 554 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,800 It don't care what race you are, how rich you are, It cares that 555 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,520 you're able to put 1 foot in front of the other. 556 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,360 Now there is roadblocks in the way and I'm all for lowering 557 00:28:10,360 --> 00:28:12,480 barriers who's not. Anybody with common sense is 558 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,680 going to say everybody deserves an equal shot. 559 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,320 It's just not everybody's going to have equal outcome because we 560 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,960 all start different places and you know, some people are 561 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:27,800 interested in different stuff. I'm not a big over politicizing, 562 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:32,120 you know, so I don't know, I seemed like there was a little 563 00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:35,480 bit of agenda in some of it, but it's very nuanced and I'm sure 564 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:36,720 we could talk about it for the full hour. 565 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,640 We won't. But that's that's a little bit 566 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,160 little insight into my opinion, but I've probably done a poor 567 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,120 job articulating. It you're good, man. 568 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,200 And I think you're glitching. So it's about the time for me to 569 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,240 kind of yeah, go ahead, drop my truth bomb on this whole thing. 570 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,960 Listen, my brother-in-law, before he passed, my 571 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,760 brother-in-law was black. He passed away this last year. 572 00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:02,480 One of the things that he hated was to be assumed that he was 573 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,880 less than when it comes to finances, intelligence, 574 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,160 resources, because of his color. He hated it. 575 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,840 He didn't like it. It made him mad when people 576 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,880 would would do that. It would make him even more mad 577 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,200 when white people would do it. He said. 578 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,400 There's nothing worse than a white person telling me that I 579 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:27,080 don't have the opportunity to do things when how would they know? 580 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,040 One of the things I thought was funny and it's just, it's just 581 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,600 me. And, and like I said, I've, I've 582 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,400 read a lot of Maggie stuff. Maggie's written some great 583 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:39,920 stuff, but she talked about some percentages of people that were 584 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,560 on the trail. Let me see if I can find these 585 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,000 real quick 'cause I, I, I saw them and I thought, well, that's 586 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,520 interesting because something seems fishy about that. 587 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,640 And then I realized it's not that it's fishy, it's just 588 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,360 normal. Basically, she said in the 589 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:59,640 article that 86.5% of the survey respondents were white. 590 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,280 Jeremiah. And as of 2024 and 2026, 591 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,960 fourteen point 4% to 15.2% of the US population identifies as 592 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,760 black. 15%. Yeah, I I can tell you, I don't 593 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,640 know how many black friends everybody else has on here, but 594 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,480 I have several. None of them want to have 595 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,200 anything to do with backpacking and they all think I'm out of my 596 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,360 mind. OK, I if you just look at from 597 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,680 percentage base it it it makes sense. 598 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:32,960 That's that's not because only 15% of backpackers are of a 599 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,680 different race doesn't necessarily mean that they're 600 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,640 being held back when that almost matches up with the population 601 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:41,440 number. Yeah. 602 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,560 But let me give you a little push back here, John. 603 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,120 You can always push back. Jeremiah. 604 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,800 Mr. Oliver Anthony. Oliver, Andrew. 605 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:54,920 My Gut I have some arguments for why Maggie is correct and to hit 606 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,360 on one of them. If you just look at the 607 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:03,360 historical context, I mean it has been narrow for the outdoors 608 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,520 and you're you're doing the correlation causation. 609 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,960 I don't know if, if it aligns that common sense would tell you 610 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,040 if you only have one person, that if you have 100 people like 611 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,720 this and 10 people that don't like it, you're going to get 612 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,360 more of those 100 people that get into it. 613 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,400 And they try to convince the 10 people and the some of the 10 614 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,600 people might come over, but most of them are going to be like, 615 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:32,840 no, But historically speaking, I mean, you, you have had more 616 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,120 white hawkers Net, like you said, just comes along with the 617 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,000 territory. But there's just not been, I 618 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,840 guess you'd say, a, a big push from some of the other 619 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,480 communities outside of, you know, the average white male. 620 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,640 I don't know why we like backpacking so much, but I do. 621 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,040 And I don't think it's because I'm white. 622 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,840 Maybe it is. The thing we always talk about 623 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,160 embracing cultures, right? Well, what if some cultures here 624 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,080 in America don't enjoy backpacking and that's why you 625 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,400 don't see them represented as much in it like. 626 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,720 I mean, it makes sense. Why do we keep saying embrace 627 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,880 culture but get mad when one of those cultures decides they 628 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,560 don't like something that a bunch of white people like? 629 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,920 Yeah, but it's not all white people, by the way. 630 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,720 There's no and. I'm not trying to and understand 631 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:20,120 what I'm saying is I just feel like so many times we almost 632 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:24,600 divide people by saying things like this like we really do. 633 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,520 We, we start drawing a line in the same well, only like 86% of 634 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,760 the people are white, OK, but over 80% of America is white. 635 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:37,680 So why are we? Why are we making that a thing? 636 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,200 You know, I'll blow your mind here. 637 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,640 When I hiked across Spain, almost everybody was Spanish. 638 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,520 I was the minority. It was me and my wife. 639 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,320 We were the white people. And. 640 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,240 And guess what? We were? 641 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,800 We were treated completely normal. 642 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,800 Because at the end of the day, you're measuring how much 643 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,680 melatonin your skin has has nothing to do with it. 644 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,840 It's about what you like and treating people as human beings. 645 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:06,400 And people treated me with love because they didn't, exactly. 646 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,280 They weren't seeing some gringo. Well, they probably were, but 647 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,200 they were also treating me kindly. 648 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:12,480 I was. I was. 649 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,160 Trying, you know, like I just, I get frustrated when I see these, 650 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,800 these percentage numbers and they're like, there's so many 651 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,480 more white people than this. There's so many. 652 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:26,880 That's like there's so many more white people in America like it. 653 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,120 And it's that's not a racist thing. 654 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,520 That's just truth. There's just so many more white 655 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,000 hikers, but there's so many more white people in America. 656 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,720 And quite honestly, most of I don't have any black friends 657 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,920 that like to backpack. My black friends think it's 658 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,360 stupid and I'm called the crazy white boy. 659 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,680 They probably have interest that you don't like. 660 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,920 Exactly. And it's OK. 661 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,240 Like I remember talking with Vince, my brother-in-law, about 662 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,160 backpacking and he was really nice about it. 663 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,280 I would be talking about, it was when I was going to Kilimanjaro 664 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,160 and I was talking to him about it and he just looks at me and 665 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:09,040 goes well, good, good. He seen a crazy guy walked to 666 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,199 how many things you want to do? What? 667 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,560 He thought it was the dumbest thing he'd ever heard. 668 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,719 And then I met some of his friends. 669 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,800 They were the same way. It was like, that's crazy. 670 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,040 All my work friends think I'm insane for like I told him I was 671 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,360 hiking across the state of Vermont and you know, this is 672 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:31,600 back 2017 or 2016 or 20 whenever it was and they were like, you 673 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,320 are absolutely insane. And then I told him about I was 674 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,600 like the longest I went without a shower was 10 days. 675 00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:39,280 And I guess you are clinically insane. 676 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,000 Yeah. And I was like, I can't help 677 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:42,639 that. I like it. 678 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:45,280 But let me give you a different. One here's the go E hiking made 679 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:46,440 a comment on here was great. He goes. 680 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,880 This article sounds very US centric. 681 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,560 Maybe she should redo it with more global information. 682 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,280 Yeah, be interesting. The cultures are all different 683 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,719 when it comes to backpacking. I feel like if you talk about 684 00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,720 internationally, so it it's hard to compare, it's almost like 685 00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:03,680 comparing apples to oranges because like the backpacking 686 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,880 that people think of out of the movies where you just like walk 687 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,000 across Europe and you stay at these hostels and what that's 688 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,680 totally different than the PCT, which is totally different than 689 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,480 the AT, which is totally different than the CDT, which is 690 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,280 different than, you know, all the everything is different. 691 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,520 Who was it that went down to South America and saw all that 692 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:28,040 all that cool stuff? Was it Rob did? 693 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,000 He who, Who sent the pictures? And it had like all different 694 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,840 colors all along. That was Rob. 695 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,520 Yeah, that was a. Rob. 696 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,360 Pelton. That was Rob Pelton when he was 697 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,080 in South of Europe. Machu Picchu. 698 00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:41,200 OK, Machu Picchu. OK, I stand corrected. 699 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:48,240 Yeah, the the culture of those trails are totally different. 700 00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:52,000 So even if you did do global based, it's hard to compare, you 701 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,760 know, the apples and oranges I feel like. 702 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,840 Yeah, I just, I, I get frustrated when we try and and 703 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,400 put divides on things. And I feel like when we start 704 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,800 saying things like you have to be privileged to hike, I just 705 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,480 feel like that's just putting another divide in. 706 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,360 There what about the what about the money aspect? 707 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:14,120 So what about, you know, objectively speaking, through 708 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:18,440 hiking is not free. You somehow had to acquire gear. 709 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,240 Most people buy it. You can buy it second hand, but 710 00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:23,800 it's still not free. You can accept donations. 711 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,360 You can steal it. Those are like really your only 712 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,120 options. Listen, I can't afford it. 713 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,960 It's expensive. I mean, I can't afford it. 714 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:36,040 I I can't afford the money for one and I can't afford to not be 715 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,960 around my family for six months. So wouldn't you say that Maggie 716 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,600 is right that you would be in one aspect you would be 717 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,000 privileged to have the money and have the time off work which is 718 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,600 the 2. The two biggest things is the 719 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,480 time off work and the money. The other stuff is relationship 720 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,600 based and like what? How am I going to tackle the? 721 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,240 Future. I mean, yes and no. 722 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,560 I think we all make choices in life. 723 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,600 I made a choice to get married and have kids. 724 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,240 You know, I made a choice to work in an industry where you 725 00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:06,280 don't get paid all that great. You know, I, I, I chose those 726 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,680 things and, and this is the result of choices I made. 727 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,960 And I think so many of us, we never, we never take into effect 728 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:18,400 or take under account choices we make and how those effects our 729 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,400 quote UN quote privilege. We choose everything we do. 730 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,480 You know what I mean? And and so I just have a tough 731 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:27,720 time with the whole privilege state. 732 00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:29,640 I don't like the. I don't like the phrasing of it, 733 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:34,160 personally. Yeah, it's it feels like it's 734 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,240 slightly like diminishes the hard work that you put in if you 735 00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:41,160 do save to like let's say you said I really want to throw 736 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:42,240 hikes. So I'm going to live in my car 737 00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:45,160 for six months and then I'm going to save up the money and 738 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,320 I'm going to sell the car and I'm going to buy all this gear 739 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,200 and I'm going to do this five month adventure. 740 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:54,000 It's a little bit dismissive just the way it's worded, but I 741 00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:57,560 I think it's got, it's got some good Nuggets in there, but not 742 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,000 everything has to be about identity or privilege. 743 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,680 Yeah. I, I, I think that's probably 744 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,520 the big thing for me is just the fact that it just comes off so 745 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,960 much about it. It, it, it separates people. 746 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:09,920 That's the best way I can put it. 747 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,440 It's just very, it's very, it's very much separating people. 748 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,600 And I don't like that. I think backpacking should be 749 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,840 something that brings people together, not separates them. 750 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,080 Yeah. Maggie, she, she works with 751 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:22,760 Backpacker. I think she's independent, 752 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:23,880 though. Yeah, she's independent. 753 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,880 She writes and listen again, Maggie is a great author. 754 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,720 She's written some fantastic articles. 755 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,120 And yeah. I think we viewed them on. 756 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:32,760 The show, some of her articles on the show. 757 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,960 I just am not a fan. I get tired of the phrase 758 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,640 privilege because I don't think people understand. 759 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:45,680 Like I I was not. I was not a rich kid. 760 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,640 We were broke. We were still, we had to move to 761 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,840 Ohio from New York because if we'd have waited much longer, we 762 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,520 would have been out of our our home. 763 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,800 We would have been on the streets and we would have been 764 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,080 in rough shape. My dad had We had to move to 765 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,760 Ohio because dad was able to find a job where he could get 766 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,840 paid one month. I think our paycheck where my 767 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,880 dad was was at at the time. We paid US 30 bucks for the 768 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,040 month. Wow, What year? 769 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,840 What around what year was? This this was 80 to 85. 770 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,640 He's probably doing minimum wage, maybe less. 771 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:23,800 Less Yeah, we were broke. When I say we're living in the 772 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,760 best time with the most opportunity, it's not perfect. 773 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,680 There's no denying it. I mean, there is some privilege. 774 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,280 We don't choose where we're born. 775 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:32,880 And some stuff is outside of your control. 776 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,840 Like John's talking about the choices that you make. 777 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,400 And you can, you can give yourself a higher probability to 778 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,880 hit the trajectory that you want to hit in life by the choices 779 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,800 that you make. But some stuff's totally outside 780 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,880 of your control. If you're born with no legs, 781 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,520 it's going to be a lot harder to through hike, right? 782 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,080 You're going to have to like Ricky Vandergriff, for example. 783 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:54,680 We had him on the show and he only has one leg, and he still 784 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,320 found a way to through hike. But his journey was much harder 785 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,760 than mine. When it comes to through hiking, 786 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,760 being away for X amount of time, well, he got an FKT. 787 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,280 He got an FKT. Yeah I mean think about that one 788 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,480 for a second insane yeah your wife actually made a great 789 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,520 statement I want to put up here it says the choices we make 790 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,480 definitely have an impact effect on more than just yourself too. 791 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,080 We chose to do the Camino before trying to have children now we 792 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,400 have a baby and I can't imagine being away for 6 weeks. 793 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,160 Yeah I can't either. It's just it it's not as much I 794 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,760 I don't think it's as much privilege as it is the choices 795 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,040 we make I really I really feel that way. 796 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,280 How about Randy Pierce blind done the 4000 footers? 797 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,840 Yep crazy Justin Sylvester hike this with him. 798 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:43,240 Yeah with the blind icing dog. Yeah and here's here's another 799 00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:46,440 one let me see if this one pops up here real quick this is a 800 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,640 this is a good one too I think because of our American Society 801 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,760 no that's not the one I will come back to that one plenty of 802 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:56,080 things normal people can't afford vacations houses cars why 803 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,360 bring up privilege in any of this it's an interesting 804 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,440 statement Woodall trail says I think mostly because of our 805 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,880 American Society today it is made through hiker hard to do 806 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,920 you have to have the time and money which most Americans today 807 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,160 have very little of. Yeah and I would I wouldn't and 808 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:16,080 here's what I would almost say I think we got more money than 809 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,160 we've ever had but the problem everything is everything has 810 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:24,000 inflated in price so much that having all the money we do have 811 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,520 doesn't get very far yeah minimum wage has never been so 812 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:31,320 high being a millionaire today doesn't is not nearly as 813 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:36,880 impressive as it was 20 years ago people probably have more 814 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,280 money now than they ever had but the problem is I mean. 815 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:45,240 I mean when houses are are the cost of a house is beyond the 816 00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:50,880 cost of what it was a year ago by almost 30% or something you 817 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,560 know and and they're more people house broke right now I think 818 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,680 than anything else where they just can't afford even afford 819 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,880 their daily cost of living and they're making twice what their 820 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:06,200 parents made at the same age. Yeah probably more than twice 821 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,200 yeah. It's crazy I don't know what the 822 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,320 future holds but I guess the cheapest way to live is through 823 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,400 hiking. I mean it probably is man 824 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,720 you're. Homeless but you're hanging out 825 00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:22,080 with a good group of people. Yeah and honestly man this world 826 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,360 is coming to some pretty crazy stuff because. 827 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,000 Not only do we have to worry about having money to through 828 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,440 hike but we have to start worrying about Beaver attacks 829 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,720 we're going to change subjects because we got 2 series for us 830 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,600 so we're going to talk about something that that you said to 831 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,800 me it's a Beaver attacks 8 year old girl in New Jersey. 832 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,520 Have you seen the video clip? No is there a video clip. 833 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,360 See if you can find it I'll talk I'll talk about YouTube you can 834 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,960 probably find it on YouTube you'll it'll be a news story 835 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,080 that like some local news channel has. 836 00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:55,400 Has shown if you all are not watching if you're just 837 00:42:55,400 --> 00:43:01,000 listening we do offer the video version on YouTube on Spotify 838 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:07,440 and likely coming soon to apple podcast so check out the video 839 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,040 version of this especially if John shows this video because we 840 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,160 have? Days ago. 841 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:17,160 It just happened bro we're right on it we're all of so here's 842 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:18,440 what happened. All of you right we were. 843 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,760 The I I think that it has rabies and y'all are going to want to 844 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,960 see this if John could show it on the screen. 845 00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:30,360 It's got red no I'm hoping the volume I'm hoping y'all can hear 846 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,040 it I don't know if you're going to be able to hear it or not but 847 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:37,120 we're going to try and see what happens OK here it is. 848 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,760 Oh you got it. You want me to play this. 849 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:45,680 Yeah go ahead all right. Fishing and then like he like 850 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,720 jumped up like really fast off the. 851 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:55,160 Like out of the water then he just started chasing us we're 852 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,760 now hearing from the 8 year old who was attacked by a rabid 853 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,440 Beaver at a lake in New Jersey the child was out fishing near 854 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,640 lake Henry he was there at the park with his mom and his mom 855 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,080 's. Boyfriend the family says. 856 00:44:07,240 --> 00:44:10,280 This was completely unprovoked the child saw the Beaver in the 857 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,880 OK this isn't showing the actual video I want to see the actual 858 00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,520 video let me see if I can find it for us let me get off of here 859 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:21,480 and I'll see if I can find it. Yeah did the actual video the 860 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,200 the Beavers going after this 8 year old and I don't know if 861 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:28,520 it's I think I guess it's his dad he gets ahold of the Beaver 862 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,480 and eats it. That Beaver it like went after 863 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,040 the kid I think the dad gets it away and then the Beaver goes 864 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:41,000 after the dad and the dad grabs it and Yeats it back out into 865 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:46,360 the water so if you could show it I thought absolutely wild on 866 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:47,800 here. I think I think I found this is 867 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,560 I think this. Is it here little on air 868 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,560 production for everybody yeah? Beaver. 869 00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,640 That thing 's huge. Yeah look at it coming it's 870 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,080 coming after the boy there it is coming after that you're look at 871 00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,120 the dad kicking at it kicking at it. 872 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:19,960 Let's leave it now Dang man. So dad protecting his son dude I 873 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,760 thought absolutely who would have thought what would you do 874 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,480 in this situation. I mean dad did. 875 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,280 You got Jack Jack with you Beavers coming after him you 876 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,560 just start kicking at it. Dude I get that thing out. 877 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,880 Of here they got the giant the big giant yellow teeth. 878 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,680 That's my kid my son my son is literally 8 years old. 879 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:40,760 Protect him at all cost man that's. 880 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,760 All cost dude could have been your knife with me. 881 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,920 Oh you would you would. I always carry a knife with I'd 882 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,560 be I'd be stabbing the crap out of that Beaver dude you. 883 00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,280 I don't know what I would do it you you'd have to react quick I 884 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,200 mean that Beaver it got kicked out and then come right back for 885 00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,160 him. Oh man I got a buddy named Josh 886 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:02,960 that I backpack with and he always carries always carries I 887 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,600 guarantee if he was with me that Beaver 's dead. 888 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,280 Yeah little pow pow little you're going to be taking home a 889 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,240 skin with you. Oh yeah Oh yeah. 890 00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:12,920 You can tell it. Oh yeah we're going to make a 891 00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:18,160 pair of boots out of that guy. All right well why don't we why 892 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,280 don't we wrap with a little research. 893 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:25,040 Woodall trail said something here OK he said he said wait let 894 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:29,000 me get it out wait till it shows up here says my 40 would be out 895 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,760 in a flat second yeah. Beavers they were haunted almost 896 00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,400 to extinction weren't they like that was that was a very 897 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,440 valuable pelt back in the day. This is great what do you got 898 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,720 this is a great comment by Kyle fuller or I think I think it's. 899 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,000 Fuller 's first name he says so you're telling me an 8 year old 900 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,680 kid was getting attacked by a Beaver and someone still had the 901 00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,840 audacity to hold their cell phone out and record it what a 902 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,800 dink move. Isn't that sad that the the 903 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,280 first thing that everybody does is film it. 904 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,720 Well I mean they were across the river it wasn't like they could 905 00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:03,280 do anything where they were. And thank God they filmed it so 906 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,840 we could watch it. Exactly what were we talking 907 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,160 about right now if they hadn't done it. 908 00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:11,360 The kids OK he's OK we heard from him in the initial clip 909 00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,120 that John showed yeah. He's all right. 910 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:18,680 But man dude that's crazy that is crazy. 911 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:25,640 What do you think that you want to ramp with a little my option 912 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,880 5 on the 102 mile hike? Little research project for 913 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,120 people to check out or what do you. 914 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,360 Think I mean if you want to give out some homework for next week 915 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,880 you can do that. OK this is just a short research 916 00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,480 this is only for the privilege folks if you're not privileged 917 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,520 you won't be able to afford it so you might as well not look it 918 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,680 up unless you're setting goals for the future that was just a 919 00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:52,240 joke just a joke everybody just is this thing on so I I found 920 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,080 you know John. Here comes the blurry sorry 921 00:47:56,080 --> 00:48:00,160 sorry my bad. We and by the way we got some 922 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,040 negative feedback from the headphone users on John 's 923 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:10,440 bleeding but he gets no warning he's a savage so anyway what I 924 00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,280 was going to say was John you know how we've been talking 925 00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:17,760 about outside the US outside the US how you can do different 926 00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,800 backpacking trails and then in the USI discovered 4. 927 00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,320 They're not really like Hut to Hut they're more like lodge to 928 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:30,640 lodge like you know a higher end backpacking experience but I 929 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:35,120 found 1:00 in the UK that might be up some people 's alley OK 930 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,880 and I'm not going to lie when we'll try to try to keep it 931 00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:44,280 child friendly here family friendly on the on the on the 932 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,920 Camino when I've done it some people call it the the teachers 933 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:49,960 pub crawl. I don't know if you've heard 934 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,880 this John because there's like a a bar or something like that 935 00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,200 every 510 kilometers and they say a lot of teachers do it 936 00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,480 because you get the summer off so you could go for a month and 937 00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,840 walk across Spain and hit all those pubs along the way if you 938 00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:07,600 want I have found similar to but different 102 mile pub to pub 939 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:14,000 hike that you can do in the UK and I got to experience all 940 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,920 kinds of awesome Catholic churches because it was a 941 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,640 Catholic. Pilgrimage whenever I was doing 942 00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:21,720 the Camino even though I'm not Catholic it was still a cold 943 00:49:21,720 --> 00:49:24,640 experience at all but if you want to hit the pub to pub hike 944 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:30,320 you get to see castles cottages historic gardens all along the 945 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:35,400 east of the English countryside so I don't know if this is going 946 00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,240 to make it to the list but I could definitely see myself 947 00:49:39,240 --> 00:49:44,240 somewhere down the line doing the pub to pub 102 mile. 948 00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:46,480 I'm not sure how close the pubs are hopefully they're pretty 949 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,160 spread apart that would be a long pub crawl if I do say so 950 00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,280 myself. That would be long apparently 951 00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:56,360 I'm getting feedback right now. Feedback I don't hear anything 952 00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,920 man you sound great. Well either way you all have a 953 00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:04,120 great one and do the homework figure out this pub crawl come 954 00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:08,040 back next week and Jeremiah is going to show you guys how to 955 00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:11,600 make this happen. Voluntold action I love it. 956 00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,200 He's he's going to do it he brought it up he said it's 957 00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,280 homework for next week so this is Jeremiah Jeremiah the teacher 958 00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:21,280 coming out next week folks so be prepared it's going to be good 959 00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:26,560 it's going to be good I promise so for myself and for Jeremiah 960 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,800 thank you guys for tuning in we'll catch you next one.