1 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:19,040 Welcome to episode 8 of Good Girls. 2 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:23,720 Today we're talking about the orgasm gap. 3 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:27,400 So if you're in the car with your father-in-law, I hope you 4 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,600 guys are having a really smooth drive with no traffic, but turn 5 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,360 it off off because it's likely going to be pretty uncomfortable 6 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:35,400 to listen to. I think at this point things 7 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,320 have already gotten weird with your father-in-law. 8 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,800 We already said orgasm gap. You already are probably driving 9 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,600 with somebody who is experiencing an orgasm gap in 10 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:45,920 their relationship content. Wording should have read. 11 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:50,120 The episode title. So to start off with, let's just 12 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,840 establish what is the orgasm gap. 13 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,480 And this has been pretty consistently found in study 14 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,040 after study, including ones done really recently. 15 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:03,000 Which is super depressing that there's about a 30 percentage 16 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:08,360 point gap between men who report having an orgasm during a sexual 17 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:13,000 encounter and woman and to. And hetero women. 18 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,960 Hetero women, it is a little bit less for lesbians. 19 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:22,280 So to go into that, what that looks like, for every 10 times 20 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,040 that people have sex, men will orgasm eight of those times, 21 00:01:26,320 --> 00:01:30,240 whereas women will orgasm four to five of those times, which is 22 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,520 pretty depressing. Now for women and lesbian 23 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,920 relationships, that number increases to about 6 to 8 of 24 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,320 those times. Yeah, the study that I read that 25 00:01:38,320 --> 00:01:42,200 was just focused on it was that they had all their data was 26 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:46,240 disaggregated by sexuality or the sex of your partner. 27 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,560 Then for hetero women it was 3 out of 10 * 30% was what a drop 28 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:56,120 to 32% so. And Yikes ladies, there was a 29 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,920 pretty fascinating post from Aching Amy in the Purple Pale 30 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:05,600 Debate about this and it was is male sexuality and net harm to 31 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:09,400 women and women are better off decentering men and entering 32 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,160 into relationships with each other. 33 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,920 Now, this was an extreme argument. 34 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:18,840 I won't get completely into it, but but the light evidence 35 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,760 suggests that women would be having more orgasms if they're 36 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,520 in relationships with each other than with men. 37 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:30,480 True, although then this gets back into we know that sexuality 38 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,280 is not a choice because if it were I would be a lesbian. 39 00:02:34,920 --> 00:02:38,960 Like I feel like I have so many friend groups or like couples 40 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:40,520 friends where we sit around talking. 41 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:44,400 And not involve men, if we. Had my choice, I would be 42 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:46,240 married. If I could choose who I was 43 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,840 attracted to, I would be married to the woman in this group of 44 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:50,480 four of us. I would be married to the woman 45 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:54,880 and we would have a tastefully decorated home and we would just 46 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:59,320 have all of the same hobbies in common and there would be no 47 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,160 meat consumed in my house. Like we would just be so much to 48 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,320 be together and our husbands would go marry each other and 49 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:09,840 they would just like live in a a formless box. 50 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,280 And they would just throw so many meats on fire. 51 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,160 This is our favorite. Thing to do, fire pit in the 52 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:19,200 middle, throwing meats on it and not arguing about who cleans the 53 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,880 bathroom because just neither of them would clean the bathroom. 54 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,440 It will just grow up in funk and then eventually one of their 55 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,840 moms will come to visit and they will clean it for them. 56 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:30,200 True. So aching. 57 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:34,920 Amy, I think that this is a nice thought, but if I could choose, 58 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,800 yeah, I would for a myriad of other reasons. 59 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,840 I don't personally experience the orgasm gap in my 60 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:46,240 relationship, but for numerous other reasons, I would be opting 61 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,080 for that lesbian relationship. So I'm fortunately 62 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,680 scientifically proven. Can't choose your sexuality 63 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,280 otherwise. What I think is kind of 64 00:03:55,360 --> 00:04:00,280 beautiful is that there is an opportunity to not only close 65 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:04,600 this gap, but to make it in the opposite direction, because 66 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:09,360 women actually have way, way, way shorter refractory periods 67 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,080 than men. You know, a woman can orgasm one 68 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,120 after another after another. It is not at all unheard of in 69 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,200 real life, in books and anything, for a woman to have, 70 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,200 you know, up to three orgasms or more per session. 71 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,640 Whereas men on the other hand, OOP like, you know, they have 72 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,720 like they're one orgasm and they're like, I'm going to need 73 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:30,440 some time. Don't charge. 74 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,080 I need. Some meats thrown on a fire to 75 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:38,240 recuperate my stamina. Going to need to go talk to 76 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:42,480 other dads while throwing meats on fire while my kid is 77 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:48,240 somewhere I'm not sure about. Cigarettes for they got to have 78 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:52,520 some relaxation time. Women actually also have 79 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,440 slightly longer orgasms on average ours are about 20 80 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,960 seconds whereas men are about like 5 seconds ish. 81 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,360 And for those who do do have them have them regularly. 82 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,280 They're reported as more intense than males. 83 00:05:06,280 --> 00:05:11,360 So we have a lot of good things going on with our orgasms, it's 84 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:16,480 just that gap and it just makes me so upset that it still exists 85 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,560 in such a strong way. And I feel like it's part of the 86 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,160 way I justify talking about sex as much as I do. 87 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,960 Yes, though not OK, as you have pointed out, in the romance 88 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,120 genre, that's one place where we're kind of trying to 89 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,520 fantasize, at least in our imaginary worlds, about breaking 90 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,520 out of reality. Because no, I don't know if you 91 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,520 were able to do a full scientific, you know, data 92 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:41,120 analysis literature review on it, but very curious to hear. 93 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:45,320 I know you had discussed doing a literature review on the ratio 94 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:50,080 of times woman orgasms in books to the male orgasm. 95 00:05:50,280 --> 00:05:52,440 Yes, this is extremely important. 96 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,040 I am reporting live from Good Girls Research division. 97 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,400 Good listeners, I would like you to know that Kay has just pulled 98 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,240 up her official spreadsheet with her notes on this topic. 99 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:05,000 Metric spreadsheet of orgasms per encounter and I looked at 100 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:10,320 top three male leads. Zaden Ryerson, Reese and oh, I 101 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,840 do not know Reese And's last name, but he's from A Court of 102 00:06:12,840 --> 00:06:15,000 Thorns and Roses and he's very well known. 103 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,440 Also called Reese and Lucas from The Deep End. 104 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,480 Allie Hazelwood. The Deep End, for those of you 105 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,280 who may not have read it, is not Allie Hazelwood. 106 00:06:24,280 --> 00:06:27,760 It's necessarily her strongest book, but it is her sexiest book 107 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:29,480 by far. And when you are not in the 108 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,760 mood, you just go and you read that book and you will be right 109 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:33,440 in the mood for whoever your partner is. 110 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:39,400 So I went through and I looked at orgasms per encounter and 111 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:44,600 what we were averaging was about four to five orgasms per 112 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,040 encounter. And these were high. 113 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:52,320 The ratio was highest for Dun Dun Dun Dun Re Sand, who is 500 114 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,880 years old. I mean, and he's also banging an 115 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:57,400 18 year old, but that's like a separate. 116 00:06:57,840 --> 00:07:00,200 We're not going to get into the age gap. 117 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,840 I just want to say he's really bucking the trend. 118 00:07:02,840 --> 00:07:04,560 This is next on my reading list, Kay. 119 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,720 But one of the studies that I read was that there is some 120 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,280 decrease in male orgasms overtime due to the loss of 121 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,680 testosterone. I think that's being 122 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,480 counteracted in more recent years by the rise of little blue 123 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,640 pills. But I just got to say, whatever 124 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,240 he's doing, we want to know his morning routine. 125 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,680 It's really working for him. Going at age 500 and still 126 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:28,160 getting off his 20. Year old. 127 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,960 Yeah, so many questions. About that but OK, looking 128 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:33,800 forward to reading. That's actually really 129 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:38,120 interesting because their first hookup, he gets her off and he's 130 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,560 like, now it's sleep time, nothing for me. 131 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,920 And that's supposed to be really like, look, he's so unselfish. 132 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:46,240 He's really putting her first. But. 133 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,000 Now. So like May, December. 134 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,120 He might just have like really low tea. 135 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,320 He's actually needs to go in the bathroom and put some of his 136 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:58,000 testosterone gel on so that he can recuperate. 137 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,840 I I just forgot my blue pill, that's all. 138 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,840 You think that I'm being selfless, but no, I. 139 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,840 Have so many questions but I that's Next up on my read list. 140 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,040 So good girls. I will be reporting back. 141 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:18,640 And I do wonder because just with the overall growth of books 142 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,440 written in romance, people reading romance, including, you 143 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,480 know, girls in high school, girls in college, if this is 144 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:29,160 going to be an overall net good to the orgasm gap because we're 145 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:34,039 going to go into relationships thinking my shit snapped her, 146 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,840 you know, my stuff's good. You're going to be feel very, 147 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,840 very lucky to go down on me. You want this. 148 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,720 And I do think that sometimes, yes, there are some guys who are 149 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,240 narcissists, but there are some guys who just like they don't 150 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:49,720 know what they're doing and they kind of need that push to, you 151 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,560 know, this is what I want in order to go down and. 152 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,200 And this is this is an unscientific cue for me, but I 153 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,600 do feel like that group is a lot larger. 154 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,520 I mean, you hear us, the assholes are always the more 155 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,160 vocal group in any kind of thing. 156 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,840 But I think that the are also usually the majority that are 157 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,400 just kind of this like going down on a woman is nasty, blah, 158 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:10,320 blah, blah. And then I think your group of 159 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,840 quiet incompetence is much larger. 160 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,240 And so there's hope for that group because they think that 161 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,440 they just need a little bit of sex education, a little bit of 162 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,120 direction. They need to read the She Comes 163 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,280 First book. They need to get their wine 164 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:27,520 pairings down. But I have to say, if you have 165 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:31,680 that as your setup where the woman comes first, then you are 166 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,440 kind of default setting things up. 167 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:38,640 Because also, yeah, I do think one of the things that comes up 168 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,200 in the research a lot that I think a lot of people know is 169 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,640 that it also takes women longer to get going. 170 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:47,000 More foreplay is needed. So I think if you and then that 171 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,080 like for the guys, they're just kind of like Bing bang done. 172 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,920 And so I think that if you do have that as the typical order 173 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,000 of events where it's like the guy just gets really excited, 174 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:57,760 they're like. Yeah. 175 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,760 And then done in 4. Minutes yeah then it's kind of 176 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,680 like that's anti climactic. So that is why the romance books 177 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,400 and honestly the pornos too there's like lots of different 178 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,800 back and forth of things. But you see in pornos which are 179 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:15,080 very like male pleasure centric are still I mean I think that's 180 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,320 part of like the male power, the male prowess is that they're 181 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:22,360 like so expertly able to repeatedly and powerfully get 182 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,560 this woman off. But you'll see that where 183 00:10:24,560 --> 00:10:28,080 there's like multiple female orgasms and then like everything 184 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,800 culminates in the money shot. The money shot. 185 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:37,240 Oh how we love the money shot. Basically an orgasmic pleasure 186 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,120 in itself. The money shot for men and women 187 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,080 alike, right? Yes, especially. 188 00:10:43,560 --> 00:10:45,760 So. That's a different episode. 189 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:52,160 I got into an argument about the orgasm gap this weekend where a 190 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:57,360 male informed me that actually the orgasm gap is because men 191 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:01,480 and women just aren't finding compatible partners with each 192 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:05,720 other. If a woman does not orgasm from 193 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:10,600 penetrative sex alone and she's with a partner who does not like 194 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:15,280 fingering or oral, then they are simply in an incompatible sexual 195 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:19,880 relationship and she needs to find a guy who does like oral 196 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:23,320 and fingering. And I said, well, I, I just want 197 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,320 you to know from the woman's point of view, I think that a 198 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:30,240 guy who is not interested in fingering or oral for a girl 199 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,560 might be universally viewed as a poor. 200 00:11:33,560 --> 00:11:36,160 Partner really limiting himself, Yeah. 201 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,800 He said that I was viewing women as a monolith and that there's 202 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:45,000 women out there who only orgasm from vaginal sex, and that I 203 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,200 wasn't acknowledging that. And I didn't want to be too 204 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:52,040 argumentative, but I did want to let him know that he's probably 205 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,600 never given a woman an orgasm before in his life. 206 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,600 I would agree with that and I would be interested as this post 207 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:02,960 sits out there to hear from the one to three women out there who 208 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:08,360 exclusively orgasm through vaginal penetrate through P&B 209 00:12:08,560 --> 00:12:11,520 penetration. Because I mean, I do know that 210 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,920 there are women who can orgasm that way, but those? 211 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:15,560 5. Yes, those women are the 212 00:12:15,560 --> 00:12:17,520 minority who can orgasm that way. 213 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:19,720 And that's not to say that that's their exclusive. 214 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,600 Or their preferred way or their strongest orgasms. 215 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,400 It's one in five. And so I just have this funny 216 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:29,600 feeling that the guy who is sharing this with me and going 217 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:34,200 on about it was that it's not like he's only ever encountered 218 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:38,720 that one in five, but instead he encountered the other 80% who 219 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:42,080 were just like, this is horrible sex, but who knows, maybe he has 220 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,560 some other. Well, again, I even, I mean like 221 00:12:44,560 --> 00:12:48,520 I, I, I have orgasm that way. And I would agree it's like a 222 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,280 less sad, I mean, and it would take like very specific 223 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:56,520 circumstances and angles and it's just sort of like a lesser 224 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,840 quality for me. And so even if I, but I'm just 225 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:03,080 saying like if I was with that guy and and then and I had the 226 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,880 potential to have that type of orgasm, but you just have 227 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,680 somebody who's just like, oh, like this is all I'm going to do 228 00:13:08,680 --> 00:13:11,040 for you. You better like this or like you 229 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,800 can go find somebody. Fingering an oral just isn't my 230 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,600 thing, I'm sorry. Like just be like, OK, well, you 231 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,920 turn off. This is not going to be between 232 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:24,480 the two of us anyway. I also just I can't help but 233 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,960 wonder for the 20 report who report, you know, vaginal 234 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:32,920 orgasms or, you know, frequency of that, if there is actual some 235 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,840 like clitoris stimulation or other stimulation that is 236 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,520 happening during sex. And they're counting it as like 237 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,280 I had the orgasm during sex and therefore was a vaginal one. 238 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,040 But I maybe that's you're right. I see your face. 239 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,320 You're like, don't belittle those women who reported that I 240 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:47,240 knew what they were doing. Yeah. 241 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,480 No, I mean, I think I can't have it, especially because I again, 242 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,000 like, I feel like there if you have like certain angles, I'm 243 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,200 making hand gestures here that you can't see. 244 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:56,880 But you know, like I could see like the mechanics of it as 245 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,480 sometimes there is like pressure against the clitoris even if 246 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:03,000 there's not like somebody digitally stimulating it. 247 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,280 So I think that's like kind of the point. 248 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,200 You're on time. The whole like position for 249 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:08,480 that. Yeah, exactly. 250 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,440 The whole G spot thing, I don't know, you know? 251 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:16,840 I used to G spots was a big Cosmo thing like the 18 G spots 252 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:18,480 and I used to really think about those. 253 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:22,000 G spots this is going to be a separate episode, but I, I would 254 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,360 like this is when we bring in our gynecologist specialist, 255 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,760 we're going to bring in that expert because I have questions 256 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,280 about that. But then again, I don't know 257 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,560 because I have also not been with a man who is literally so 258 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,760 big that he extends all the way up to my throat. 259 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,760 And so in that case, you may be experiencing something that 260 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,600 feels like an orgasm because it is actually your body just like 261 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,480 convulsing and. That's I kept on seeing. 262 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,320 This near death. That was like, if the guy in 263 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,440 like, books and stuff, like if the guy like, curls his fingers 264 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,200 while he's fingering you, like he hits the spot or something. 265 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,760 And so I was curious. I was like, maybe I'm missing 266 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:59,240 something. Maybe it just never happened. 267 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,920 And so I asked for it. And I was like, Oh yeah. 268 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,040 I haven't really, I don't know. But I let's, let's bring an 269 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,760 expert in here because as previously mentioned, my only 270 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,720 sex education that wasn't abstinence only came through 271 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,840 Cosmo and I'm not sure how reliable of a sex Ed teacher 272 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:17,240 that was. So we'll leave that one to the 273 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,000 experts. You know what made me happy is 274 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:24,400 that a guy who reported that he always gives his partner 275 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:28,560 multiple orgasms and that if anything the ratio is in her 276 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,600 favor, not his. He said that some early on 277 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,600 education that he got was from Maxim and that Maxim had a whole 278 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,480 article. So I would call that, you know, 279 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:41,160 men's version of Cosmo, that it's like licking an ice cream 280 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,680 cone. Oh yeah, I have read some good 281 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,560 sex. I lived in a Co Ed dorm in 282 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:50,080 college and so some of my dorm neighbors were subscribers to 283 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,640 Maxim. So I was reading the articles 284 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,680 because I don't know if it's just Playboy that you read for 285 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,960 the articles or what, but yeah, there was like some genuine 286 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,880 yeah, like tips in there. Thank you, Maxim. 287 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:02,880 I look it out for us. Have you? 288 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,080 Heard the ABC's one too. Yeah, I think that that was 289 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,040 like, I feel like I've heard that, that when people have 290 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,680 gotten that one from Maxim of like do the whole alphabet. 291 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,800 Although I feel like that was also in a movie at some point 292 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:14,080 too. So maybe that one's more. 293 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,200 That's like a guy's talking about what his trick is and he 294 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,920 says like I do the alphabet. Oh now that's really 295 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,920 interesting, I saw I've seen the AB CS reference and I figured it 296 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,680 was like just the ABCI didn't realize they just sit there and 297 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,240 do the alphabet. They do the whole alphabet. 298 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,040 I think the alphabet this supposed to be the tip, but I 299 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:35,480 think that depends how dedicated to your craft you are, because I 300 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,400 I really think if you got went through ABC or just. 301 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,120 Feedback midway because like they might just realize that 302 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:43,680 like really only the other thing midway through. 303 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,400 The alphabet, you're just like, wow, that's. 304 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,080 What I'm imagine? And then she's like kind of 305 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,280 tuned out because you've totally lost the sad like rhythm. 306 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,560 Happening. It's like sorry I'm trying to 307 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,960 make my. Pee But this is a man who is 308 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,080 earnestly trying if he is getting through the whole 309 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:04,359 alphabet, which is more than can be said for like the guy that 310 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,760 you were with the fight in on Reddit and things like that. 311 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:08,000 So. Yeah, it's just an 312 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,440 incompatibility. She just wants oral and 313 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,240 fingering, and she's not going to get it if that guy is only 314 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,480 interested in vagina. Like, it's like, yeah, well, 315 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,480 yeah, nobody's going to get enjoyment out of that guy. 316 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,520 That guy will be an incel. He would join his little install 317 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,359 community and he'll be like, oh, I just can't find a compatible 318 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:25,119 person. What's? 319 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:31,720 Wrong with women these days. It's because they work, but I 320 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:35,080 think that a big part, I don't know, to me, the big part of the 321 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,920 orgasm gap and it's very difficult to dig into these 322 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,160 things because they're so underreported. 323 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:44,480 And so, you know, taboo to talk about a lot of these topics is 324 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:49,320 just asking for things and feeling like your job in the 325 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:53,000 bedroom isn't just to please the guy. 326 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:54,800 And I think that that's a big part of it. 327 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:59,960 I think when you're, you know, a more sexually free woman because 328 00:17:59,960 --> 00:18:01,400 that's how you were raised and all that. 329 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,720 Like if you look at, you know, 2X chromosomes, I would say is a 330 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:09,480 super sex positive female space. And when this question is posed 331 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,280 there, all the women are like, I'm having tons of orgasms 332 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:13,840 compared to my partner where you're talking about it. 333 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:18,360 And it's like, well, but this is like a very distinct space of 334 00:18:18,360 --> 00:18:21,960 people who would go on this. There is a huge other amount of 335 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,520 women in the United States who are in very, you know, much more 336 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:28,720 conservative relationships where their, the dynamics are totally 337 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:30,280 different. And yeah. 338 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,560 I'd be curious to read, I know there's been a number of studies 339 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,240 and, and you and I both read a few of them on the orgasm gap, 340 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,560 but, and, and they were, you know, broken down by different 341 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:39,080 things. I was reading one that was age 342 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:43,640 based, another one that was based on the, the, you know, 343 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,280 sexuality or the gender of each partner. 344 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:50,200 I would be really interested to know what kind of other like 345 00:18:50,360 --> 00:18:55,160 lifestyle or ideological things have an impact on it, you know, 346 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,000 similar. What was the one that you had 347 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,320 mentioned in a previous episode about kind of the more 348 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,320 traditional people who viewed relationships traditionally had 349 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,280 like less pleasure? I'd be curious to know like what 350 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,920 the orgasm gap is there between people who hold more traditional 351 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:15,000 viewpoints versus people who are more either more like sexually 352 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,720 educated or have more sort of like progressive views? 353 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,760 Because while the study on traditional rules was not asking 354 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,000 about orgasms in specific, it was asking about sexual 355 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,600 satisfaction. Women in traditional relations 356 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,160 relationships, we're reporting lower sexual satisfaction, which 357 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,160 would be pretty highly linked to orgasms. 358 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:40,040 So yeah, and in in my unstudied opinion, but that seems like 359 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:41,440 there would be an association there. 360 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,040 Well, and also I think that like another thing about like more 361 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:49,440 conservative groups is that there is a real dim view on like 362 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:53,120 self exploration or masturbation or anything like that. 363 00:19:53,120 --> 00:19:55,480 And so if you don't have. For women. 364 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,120 Especially for women, like I think with men and at least in 365 00:19:58,120 --> 00:20:03,760 my personal experience, What is the Devil's DJ? 366 00:20:04,360 --> 00:20:10,600 Imagine the the Devil DJ. No, I have not heard that one. 367 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,520 Does an Angel die when you do that one too? 368 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:18,560 Yeah, there you are, up there in your bedroom playing the devil's 369 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:24,240 DJ. That's so, that's so cringy that 370 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,600 it's actually funny. Yeah. 371 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,240 Like I do feel like, yeah, with men, there's much more of this 372 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,320 like, oh, you know, it's forbidden, but we all kind, 373 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,800 unless you're like the very extreme, like Mike Johnson and 374 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,480 his son that had that like app when they have to report to each 375 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:37,920 other. You don't. 376 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:39,400 You're giving me a confused look. 377 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,760 I'm 90% sure it's Mike Johnson that was doing it. 378 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,800 But there's this like fundamentalist Christian app 379 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:50,320 that is like supposed to be an accountability thing to reduce. 380 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,400 It's not just masturbation. It's like looking at porn like 381 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,400 any kind of like sinful behavior, but it's something 382 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,960 like it. Well, you set an account to 383 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,440 Billa buddy so that if you do do that, like if you look at porn, 384 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,600 that it alerts your buddy. And I think it was Mike Johnson. 385 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,560 You don't want the speaker. Of the house and he was talking 386 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,640 about how he and his son were account to billa buddies with 387 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:15,320 each other and I was like what a weird relationship dynamic. 388 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,840 Oh my gosh, I just want to give a ton of credit to my parents, 389 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,840 which is that they would never in a million years want that 390 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,680 information or to hear it. Yeah, I know. 391 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,240 I do feel like at least my parents had like enough of a 392 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,880 don't ask, don't tell that they knew that there was more going 393 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:32,960 on. And like, in an ideal world, 394 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,760 there would have been like an actual conversation happening 395 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,440 and like talking about protection and getting birth 396 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,720 control and things like that. But in lieu of that, I will 397 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,000 accept just like not having a conversation at all versus 398 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,040 making your kid part of your like weird plot about your their 399 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,600 own like porn addiction or something. 400 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,080 But anyway, to get back on that topic, yeah, I feel like there's 401 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,920 at least like there's conversations about it right in, 402 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,560 in the more fundamentalist kinds of Christian groups. 403 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,200 Whereas like women masturbating is like it doesn't even like 404 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,200 enter. It's so shameful that it like 405 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,000 doesn't even enter. And it's just like sort of this 406 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:09,960 whole like you just don't even know what is down there. 407 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,320 Like you've never looked. You can't name anything. 408 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:18,920 And there was a study by you, by UK, by their government, and it 409 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:26,280 showed that about only 2/3 of men and women could identify 410 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,840 where the clitoris was on a diagram of the well. 411 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,280 There's your orgasm gap right there, ladies and gentlemen. 412 00:22:32,360 --> 00:22:33,960 Yeah. If a third don't know where the 413 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,200 clitoris is, that's where the problem starts. 414 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:40,800 And only about half could identify like which hole was the 415 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:49,240 vagina hole, which means I'm not alone when I was in high school. 416 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:53,920 But still it just shows like this basic education is missing. 417 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:59,120 And then what a woman you know in high school and college needs 418 00:22:59,120 --> 00:23:02,240 to know to be able to self explore and how to get started 419 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,200 to self explore and how to not feel shame about it. 420 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:10,120 But I do think that at least 5% of the men that claim to not 421 00:23:10,120 --> 00:23:14,120 know which hole was the vagina are just men trying to have anal 422 00:23:14,120 --> 00:23:16,720 sex and they're like, I thought it was the vagina. 423 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,880 Oh my gosh, guess we're having. Sex. 424 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:24,680 Now that sounds like something that sounds like something a 425 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:29,560 college boyfriend would do and. Then like go back to the dorm 426 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,760 all proud. Yeah, I think if like in the 427 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:39,160 movie Stranger wait, horror things with with Emma Thompson 428 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:43,800 and you know, it's a baby's brain is put into a grown adult. 429 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,240 And so she starts getting a little bit older. 430 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,040 And so when she has like a six year old brain, she uses an 431 00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:53,680 apple to masturbate and she's like, whoa, this feels so good. 432 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,000 But it's like, do you even have the opportunity when you're 433 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,560 younger to do that during any point, you know, not with an 434 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,040 apple. Don't. 435 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:05,920 Don't use an apple. I know a neighbor told me when I 436 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,400 was in high school that she uses her electric toothbrush. 437 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,920 And looking back, genius neighbor. 438 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,280 Yeah, she found vibrators. Electric toothbrushes. 439 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,080 Honestly that was like self massagers that everybody is 440 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,000 buying from Costco and The Sharper Image. 441 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,840 Heart younger brother got me this like gigantic massager and 442 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,720 he gave one to me and one to my partner and he's like what did 443 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,040 he mean this like? He's like. 444 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,080 No, my shoulder just really hurts and so I started using it. 445 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,880 It's so great that I wanted like all the family to have it. 446 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:43,760 I was like, you just got everybody a vibrator and your 447 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,160 heart is so sweet you don't even realize that's. 448 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,480 So pure. If we think about closing this 449 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,280 gap, I first of all think that you just have your partner 450 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,600 listen to good girls because I learned so many great tips here. 451 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:01,400 And also, you know what books, what magazines are great and 452 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,360 just normalizing that. And you know, again, it doesn't 453 00:25:04,360 --> 00:25:06,520 have to be like a parent giving it to their child. 454 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,720 Like I'm going to teach you how to successfully masturbate. 455 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,440 But just leaving open, you know, you can read these books, these 456 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,400 magazines, which might have some helpful. 457 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,680 Content yeah, I mean maybe more I so I do remember having 458 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,880 conversations with several people that like their moms 459 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,760 would have those like Harlequin romance kinds of things on the 460 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,040 shelves and it's like. But when you have those kinds of 461 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,240 things around it's I mean I'm sure the mom is up, especially 462 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,920 back in the like 90s. We're not leaving those books 463 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,360 there for their daughters to find them and explore their 464 00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:40,240 sexuality. But I do think that those kinds 465 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,120 of books are another way, as we have often talked about romance 466 00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:47,040 novels being a good way to kind of explore these topics without 467 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,680 reading a textbook on human sexuality. 468 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,760 It's like a good way to explore them, even if those ones are 469 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,120 maybe not the most. I don't know. 470 00:25:56,120 --> 00:25:58,120 I was gonna say they're most gender equal, but I feel like 471 00:25:58,120 --> 00:26:00,480 they still like the Harlequin old tiny ones. 472 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,680 They still do very much like focus first on like the female 473 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,600 orgasm and things like that. And you know, it's funny because 474 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,400 I used to read a lot of historical fiction because my 475 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,960 dad and I used to bond by both reading the same books. 476 00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:14,080 I hope it was smutty. Historical fiction OK, 477 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,320 historical function always has sexual scenes, but they're still 478 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,480 like kind of a little bit more like men. 479 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,480 Based that. If only I had also been reading 480 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,880 the same books as with your. Dad so that you can start a 481 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,960 conversation with your dad about this he's. 482 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,760 Commented before, like, yeah, the books always have scenes. 483 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,840 And then you see the picture of the author and you're like, 484 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:41,280 they're just fantasizing and things just again, making it 485 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,760 open. Do we need a Sesame Street 486 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,240 episode on locating the clitoris? 487 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:50,240 You know, probably not. Somebody's going to cancel us 488 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,520 just for saying that. Yeah, Big Bird. 489 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:57,320 Oh guys, I want to make sure you know this since 1/3 of you 490 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,320 don't. Well, the, the book that I had 491 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,920 mentioned before that I was reading, the birds, the Bees and 492 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,280 the Elephant in the room does like talk about just like having 493 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,320 things be like very open from a young age. 494 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,520 And I was surprised by her suggestion for like when to 495 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,840 provide condoms for young boys. She was actually suggesting like 496 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,040 having them available to them, like just putting a box under 497 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,920 the sink as young as like when they're starting puberty, 498 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,280 because it also being like an encouragement. 499 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,280 Why is it normalizing it? But also encouraging them for 500 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:33,280 them to masturbate into a condom to make it clean up more easy 501 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,600 than like clogging up your pipes or like finding the doing having 502 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,040 to do gym sock laundry. And I was like, that's kind of 503 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,800 brilliant because then it's also like a lot of practice with 504 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,400 putting on a condom and that they're not this like funny 505 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,000 thing, but I was like, I I really agree with that. 506 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,080 And at the same time having a hard time picturing me giving my 507 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,080 like 9 year old. Son, a box of. 508 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,720 Condoms and they not ending up like having something very silly 509 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,160 happening to them. What would be more disturbing? 510 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,480 Like a gluey sock and realizing why it's gluey. 511 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,560 Or looking in the garbage bin and realizing that and just like 512 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:08,480 seeing a bunch of. Condoms. 513 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:13,160 Used condoms in there. Either way, this is just not a 514 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,320 developmental stage that I've had to get to yet. 515 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,520 And to be honest, I'm not, I don't, I'm not looking to get to 516 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,800 that one anytime soon, but you got to appreciate. 517 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,560 That little kids brains go right to our natural animalistic 518 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,840 places at a very early space Freud may have been. 519 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,320 Right about one thing little there I don't want to. 520 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,040 Call any particular kid perverts. 521 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,720 But they currently certainly. Have a lot of comfort with 522 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,440 nudity in their bodies and all that great stuff. 523 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,160 So I know just tying up this conversation and we'll get to a 524 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,920 few other things to to end the episode. 525 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,320 There was an article in the Wall Street Journal and it was on the 526 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,280 sex recession. It used data from Newark, which 527 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,320 used to be the National Opinion Research Center, but now they 528 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,800 just literally go by Newark at University of Chicago. 529 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,560 And it was done in 2024. And they found that sex is like 530 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:14,400 drastically down. Just 37% of people aged 18 to 64 531 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,520 report having sex at least once a week. 532 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:22,640 That's down 55% from 1990. And the decline is even bigger 533 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:27,280 for young adults, where about 1/4 have not had sex in the last 534 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:31,040 year, twice as many as 2010. So that's like a major, major 535 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,200 difference. And guys, if we're going to 536 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,840 close this sex recession, then you got to get a little better 537 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,720 in bed because women today, you know, I guess 'cause there's no. 538 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,840 Orgasm guys advice and they're just, you know, waiting till 539 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:47,200 they find a man who is actually adopt at these things and then 540 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,200 when we're coming back disappointed, we're like, why 541 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,200 are we wasting? Yeah, I need a compatible 542 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,680 partner. And so if you don't want to go 543 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,120 down on our finger, then I will just keep on waiting for my 544 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,120 compatible partner instead of telling you that you're a 545 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,640 selfish jerk. Did they go into what the? 546 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,840 What they think that the main reasons are for the sex 547 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:08,200 recession if they did. Unfortunately, I can't super 548 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:12,280 explain it why, but I do think that especially for that age 549 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,520 group, there's just a lot of like the 18 to 29 one, There's a 550 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,200 lot of like social isolation that happened during COVID and 551 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,040 there's a lot less drinking. There's a lot, there's a lot 552 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,880 less go going out with your friends. 553 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,480 All those things that lead to that was what I had heard is. 554 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:32,280 Like a lot of like millennial sexual experimentation, like 555 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:37,760 getting initiation was happening like somewhat fueled by alcohol 556 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,240 or other drugs. And so that's like kind of a 557 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,800 positive thing that it's also, I mean, not that we like 558 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:47,720 necessarily regret anything that we did that had like alcohol and 559 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,520 associated with sex. But I think that there was like 560 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,120 room for a lot of stuff go wrong. 561 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,600 And a lot of millennials experienced, you know, things 562 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,600 that just left a lot of room open for like things the next 563 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,320 day. We were like, I don't know that 564 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,520 that was like sexual assault or not. 565 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,840 It felt icky. It felt like there wasn't really 566 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,000 fully consent given because you can't fully give consent when 567 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,160 you're intoxicated. So I am, I have a lot of respect 568 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,200 for Gen. Z in that way that maybe they 569 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,440 are just like holding out for genuine connection and you know 570 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:22,160 men that actually want to read their maxim advice columns. 571 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,960 I have heard from people. Dating now that there is a 572 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:30,240 feeling in that because it's so easy to date and it's easy but 573 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,640 it's hard because you know, like if you live in New York City, 574 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,880 for example, you're on like 5 different dating apps, you have 575 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:40,040 literally endless people you can meet that there is a feeling 576 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,280 when they go out with people that's almost on both sides of 577 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,400 like they're like, well we can find somebody else. 578 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,600 We can find somebody better. And so if you at all don't have 579 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,200 all the characteristics I'm looking before, then I'm going 580 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,920 to keep on searching. And that there's almost like 581 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:59,160 this part of like, how to be a social human that that was lost 582 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,480 during COVID and like, how to, you know, be in long term 583 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,920 relationships. And another piece of advice 584 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,520 would be to move it to a city because cities are the best. 585 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,200 Yeah. A lot easier to meet people. 586 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,360 And potentially meet people because they know some people 587 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,480 are so sick of the apps, but that there is more potential 588 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,960 opportunity to meet people other ways. 589 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,480 Although again, I don't know, I, I mean, I have heard various 590 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:24,800 research things about kind of how people just are not, I don't 591 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,600 want to say prioritizing relationships like people don't 592 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,120 care about them as much anymore. But I think because it is so 593 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,280 much work and it does feel like it's just like a part time job 594 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,240 is what I've heard a lot of people describing it. 595 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,640 Of like you have of, of just that you're basically like a 596 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,120 recruiter trying to fill a position where you have like 597 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,400 these overflow of applications and you're trying to like set 598 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,360 search criteria that aren't like too tight, that you're like 599 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,000 screening out potential good candidates. 600 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,280 But also not like, so you have 500 applicants that you have to 601 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,560 process and like spend all your time sifting through. 602 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,040 So I do. Do you think that it's it's very 603 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:57,240 real? Yeah. 604 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,400 And that. Was mentioned in the article 605 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,920 that somebody said dating became so exhausting that there were 606 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,640 just better ways to fill my time like now instead I'm part of a 607 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,680 bullying league. I volunteer on this night. 608 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,480 I do all these different things I do a running club. 609 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,680 But because when I was going on dates, I was ultimately losing 610 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,360 time that could have been spent doing enjoyable things where you 611 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,760 should theoretically be able to meet a person through doing 612 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,000 those other things. I don't know actually. 613 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,840 I I personally love dating and when I met my partner and 614 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,080 realized like that was the closest thing to my soul mate 615 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,920 that I think is possible I was like. 616 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,360 But I'm going to miss dating so much like I do like to. 617 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,520 Sometimes live vicariously through people who are still 618 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,160 dating, mostly because then it's like a fun little trip into 619 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,200 somebody else's life instead of having to deal with that full 620 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:44,600 time. But it is just. 621 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,640 And I do miss the the like people watching aspect of it. 622 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,760 If you knew. Exactly like okay, within one 623 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,760 year I will find somebody and XYZ so I can just have fun for 624 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,040 three or four months. I don't know, I had the time of 625 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,000 my life going to like happy hours. 626 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:05,000 Go on a break or something like open up your relation, open up 627 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:05,920 your. Marriage for six months. 628 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:08,600 But I think like one other thing. 629 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,120 Is that it's also just like the existential and maybe this is 630 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:16,320 like everybody's like total like decrease in sex and not just 631 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,639 single people, but it's also just like the general 632 00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:21,159 existential dread that exists all around us. 633 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,000 And I think there's a certain amount of like some of this 634 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,760 comes from this like biological urge to like, you know, mate and 635 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,920 reproduce and things. And I think that so many of us, 636 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,360 even people who are in like a partnered relationship are like 637 00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:36,600 or owner like didn't really want kids or you know, like what is 638 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:37,800 I? I just think that it kind of 639 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,320 takes away some of that like biological drive a little bit 640 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,480 because you're just like the world is on fire. 641 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,239 So I have genuine questions about that. 642 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:46,960 That one seems harder to research. 643 00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:54,560 Also another one that I came up across just for sort of men. 644 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:59,000 Maybe this is more one for the orgasm gap is hormonal birth 645 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:03,600 control is another one in general. 646 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,520 I had somebody, a friend who's a therapist had said that once 647 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,800 that that is like a common thing in heterosexual relationships is 648 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,840 like, obviously men's hormones affect their sex drive and 649 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,000 things, but they don't have them on such a cyclical kind of 650 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,360 thing. And so she was like, it is very 651 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:24,280 common for women to have natural hormonal fluctuations and that 652 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,360 naturally your body like you have a higher sex drive closer 653 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,320 to when you're ovulating. So you would have more like ups 654 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,680 and downs versus like a male sex drive being kind of more like 655 00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:37,400 constant. And then in addition, if you're 656 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,560 on hormonal birth control, which includes a lot of Iuds too, I 657 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,760 know a lot of people I'm on are on Iuds that it's basically 658 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:49,080 disrupting that natural hormonal highs and lows and that it 659 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:54,000 decreases overall some of the hormones that are associated 660 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,200 with with sex drive and a little. 661 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:03,360 AD that I am receiving no actual ad money for is that I have not 662 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,120 experienced that with the Marina. 663 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,800 The Marina has been fantastic in keeping all drives intact. 664 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,280 Oh yeah, I have the Marina too. And I, it's hard for me to say 665 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,040 sometimes because it's also hard like I've been on a number of 666 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,480 different birth control. I really did not enjoy being on 667 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,520 oral contraceptives. I felt like I did notice that 668 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,840 I've just like a lot of sexual. Side effects and it's just very 669 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,720 hard to remember. To take them so like that seems 670 00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:29,640 like not the best for most people but it is often what is 671 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,880 easiest to get a hold of, especially if you are young. 672 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,080 But I've had like Nuva ring before and so I've been on 673 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,600 different news to always come. Out on the guy's pennies. 674 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,800 And that's just like, it looks so weird when it does like when 675 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,040 it's like wrapped around it's Garcia. 676 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,280 He's just so large that he's just. 677 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,760 Suctioning out everything that's in there. 678 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:55,040 OK, this happened before my. Current relationship no, but I 679 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,960 think that. That that is another, but it's 680 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,200 hard for me to say that for example, because I feel like 681 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,600 there's been so many other like factors that were changing, then 682 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,720 it's hard for me to isolate. And I know a few people like I 683 00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:09,160 did have somebody who had like such a terrible reaction to the 684 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,760 birth control that she was on that she became like extremely 685 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,320 depressed and like went off of it and immediately had a relief 686 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,680 from symptoms. So I think sometimes it's also 687 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:22,920 harder to tell if you are having a decrease in sex drive due to 688 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,080 that. But if you have small kids, is 689 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,880 it because you have low energy because of your kids? 690 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,800 Is it this? It's that it's hard to I mean, 691 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,880 obviously you can't do a science experiment so easily in your own 692 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,400 life. And even if you did, you have an 693 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,600 equals 1. So it would not be so accurate. 694 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,840 But I think that there's, it's hard to sometimes like pull out 695 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,240 for women more for people in general. 696 00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:48,920 Like there probably are specific things in your life, especially 697 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:53,120 'cause I think women have more of that like drain of since 698 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,520 there's a lot of studies showing that women do the higher share 699 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,480 of the household tasks, things like that, that that can 700 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,600 obviously be something that effects your sex drive. 701 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:05,160 So I think sometimes you get moms who are like doing more of 702 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:10,320 like a OK, like I'm just like participating in this because I 703 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,560 know that this is like a thing that couples are supposed to do. 704 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,560 But like, honestly, I'm exhausted. 705 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,520 My mind's in six other places. Like I think with all the mental 706 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,760 load that like those are some of the things that can contribute 707 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:26,640 as well to like women being more like going into a sexual 708 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,840 encounter with just like, oh, I'm just going to like get this 709 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:34,560 done with so that I can. And that's supposed to be like 710 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,760 very. Cyclical that if you let that, 711 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,240 if you go into it with that happening where you're like, oh, 712 00:38:41,240 --> 00:38:45,080 I'm having sex because I don't really want it, but I'm just 713 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,440 doing it because it's something that I should say yes to and I'm 714 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,880 not going to enjoy it, Then your body stops responding as much 715 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,920 like the next subsequent time. So even times where you were in 716 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,240 a situation where you might have your body's now, like no, she 717 00:38:59,240 --> 00:39:02,120 told me in the past that I don't need to get all ready for this 718 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,720 and I'm not super excited to have sex with this person. 719 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,000 Yeah, that your mental. Association with it is more that 720 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,040 especially then and then we're like going to bring back in all 721 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,480 of the cultural things that you have and like the religious 722 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,920 upbringing where it is just more of like the wife's 723 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,360 responsibility or we've talked about purity culture. 724 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,400 When you've been like raised in a situation your whole life 725 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,720 where you've been told that sex is dirty and sex makes you 726 00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:28,920 impure, that you, your brain doesn't just like move over so 727 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:33,120 easily then to like, oh, sex is fun and everybody's pleasure 728 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,440 matters and we do this because it's enjoyable. 729 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,120 Your brain, like probably for a lot of people with conservative 730 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,960 Christian upbringing, their brains are still struggling to 731 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,360 make that switch over. So then when you have other 732 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,240 environmental factors or you have men who are kind of 733 00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:50,720 fumbling around, not able to locate the clitoris or even the 734 00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:56,120 vagina, then, you know, I think that you can definitely have. 735 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:57,880 You can see where the situation comes from. 736 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,320 Yeah, I think. That if you were raised in some 737 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:06,480 certain environments that telling somebody, hey, I need a 738 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:11,040 little bit longer, hey, like we're moving right on into sex 739 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,120 and this is going to be done in X amount actually, then can you 740 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,680 stay here for like 5 more minutes? 741 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:19,000 So I'm ready not to give minute amounts to it, but just the 742 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,080 idea. Of taking time for yourself and 743 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,200 feeling like you deserve to tell somebody else that they're going 744 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,640 to need to hold off and wait a little bit or do a little bit 745 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,880 more work for you to be ready. It's not something that I think 746 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,400 comes naturally to or like to be able to name. 747 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,080 What those things are, that might be the steps that need to 748 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,400 happen before you're even ready for like. 749 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,760 What would be more broadly considered foreplay, like from 750 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,760 from like if if your sexual knowledge comes from like 751 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,360 watching porn or reading Maxim or whatever, I think that's for 752 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:49,720 some women. There are steps that would 753 00:40:49,720 --> 00:40:53,000 happen before that to even get you to the point where you would 754 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,080 want clerical stimulation or something like that. 755 00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:00,200 I think to know to ask for those or to be OK with like that being 756 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,600 part of the steps. Because as much as we gave porns 757 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,320 and props in this episode for like having, you know, maybe the 758 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,880 woman come several times before we get to the man. 759 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,640 Well, not before we get to the man, but before the man comes. 760 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,280 But everything that's happening is still very He comes in and 761 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:21,280 delivers the pizza and within 30 seconds she's got her top off 762 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,200 and they're going down on each other and stuff like that. 763 00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:27,320 She's just so ready from having the she's. 764 00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:34,520 So she's just really enjoying. That so that part less 765 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:40,160 realistic, okay. So to tie up this episode, the 766 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,200 orgasmic gap exists. It's real. 767 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,640 There's some big lack of education that happens that 768 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,200 might be contributing to it. There's gender dynamics that 769 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,800 might be contributing to it, It just seems like it's so many. 770 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,680 Factors that for everybody there are probably really different 771 00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:00,960 reasons like if you looked at you know 6 different people who 772 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,520 were like experiencing that in their relationships like you 773 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,360 would probably come up with like 6 really different reasons as to 774 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,280 why exactly they're experiencing it yes so. 775 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,600 The best thing that you can do to solve it is to listen to the 776 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,200 good girls podcast and like and subscribe, obviously, but also 777 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:21,320 to have open conversations with your partner to to make sure 778 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,720 that everybody's kind of up on on what they can't be doing open 779 00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:27,600 minded, open channels of. Communication, open minded, 780 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,120 trying different things, being well, I feel yeah, like not 781 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:36,080 having if there is some kind of this is a relationship that has 782 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,600 more kind of habitual nature to it, being willing to kind of 783 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,080 start in a different place, move at a different speed, try some 784 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:47,160 different things, yes. Get a diagram. 785 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,280 Find out where the clitoris is located if you find where the 786 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,000 clitoris. Is it's probably if you find the 787 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,720 G spot. Comment Yeah, tell us. 788 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,480 Tell us about these G spots and how they work for you. 789 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,600 And it's a very specific just give us a little map and then 790 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,400 write to Cosmo and. Thank them for teaching us about 791 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,440 the G spot. Yeah, I think feel like I've. 792 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,640 Seen like 19 of them mapped out sometimes and I'm like I don't 793 00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:11,440 know. I really only know if one is on 794 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:17,200 my clitoris. But I also want to celebrate 795 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:21,560 because we have officially made it to episode 8 and episode 7 is 796 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,880 where the pod fade happens that about half of podcasts don't get 797 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,400 through. So here we are. 798 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,600 And not only are we here, but we have our own subreddit now 799 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,640 called the Good Girls Forum. And you know, it's four of us, 800 00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:39,600 but man, the four of us that are there are wonderful and it's 801 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,320 engaging and it's a way that we usually use this conversations 802 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:47,400 and to think about, you know, different podcast topics and 803 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,680 different things to think about on our already chosen podcast 804 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,080 topics. So it's a nice way to, 805 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,600 especially when we post poll. Questions and some other 806 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,200 subreddits. Apparently we're not allowed to 807 00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,600 do that, so we I don't want Scott Hammer. 808 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,680 Banning me from the sex Reddit for asking a question with no 809 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,920 self promotion again so I had to start my own form. 810 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,280 Plus, I want to hear from our listener. 811 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,120 In Saudi Arabia. Tell us more. 812 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,320 Yes, our Saudi. Arabian listener, we're not 813 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,400 trying to de identify you, but you're very welcome to comment 814 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,160 at any time. We would love to engage with you 815 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,680 just like drop a casual. Post like we won't we won't out 816 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,920 you or anything, but we do want to know more yeah, we don't want 817 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,240 you being. Tied up unless you want to be. 818 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,200 Have a great day everybody. Thank you for listening.