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Oh, we got right into it all 
right. 

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Welcome to Something Positive 
for Positive People. 

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I'm Courtney Brand. 
Something positive for Positive 

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people is A5O1C3 nonprofit 
organization supporting people 

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living with herpes and 
navigating sticky. 

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I'm making sure that this time 
the microphone is plugged in and

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on because I apologize for how 
Part 1 sounded. 

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I listened to a little bit of it
and man, I felt like I was I 

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thought I was on. 
I really did. 

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But I got the blue light, green 
light. 

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So that means go. 
I'm just leaving the gym and I 

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got the apartment this half to 
myself. 

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So it felt like a good time to 
go ahead and drop in here and 

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record this. 
So we got the transcription 

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going and we got the recording 
happening. 

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So I think we are good to go. 
Part 1 of what Herpes taught me 

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about authenticity. 
I think that was a lot of 

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rambling. 
It definitely was, and I'm glad 

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that I was able to do it that 
and get it out because I was 

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able to say some things that I 
think I hadn't been able to say 

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out loud before. 
And you know, sometimes when you

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say a thing, you also hear the 
thing for the first time, like 

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in the thought state, it's not 
real. 

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But then when you say it, it's 
like, oh, I said that. 

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And some of those things really 
led me to explore my 

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relationship to my herpes 
diagnosis and look at exactly 

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how authenticity has been a 
thing that has supported me and 

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helped me with getting to the 
place that I'm at now. 

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And when I say the place that 
I'm at now, I don't mean I'm 

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fully on the other side of it. 
I'm healed. 

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And this is the end game of what
it looks like to conquer herpes 

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stigma. 
In fact, one of the more 

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important things out of this is 
herpes has taught me to not 

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necessarily look at things as 
good or bad. 

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Because one hand, when you get a
herpes diagnosis, obviously this

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is the worst thing that ever 
happened, right? 

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And then the best thing that 
could ever happen is you get rid

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of the worst thing that ever 
happened. 

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But the reality is that prior to
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whole experience that was on the
other end of the spectrum taking

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place there to where it had to 
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to whatever it was that was 
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So now the point of diagnosis 
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polarity that exists. 
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there's the, the, the bad of 
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And then there's the potential 
for good, which is the positive.

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And it we, as we know, positive 
and negative are drawn together,

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right? 
And that force between the 

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positive and negative that pull 
them towards one another, it 

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generates a field like a 
magnetic field. 

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And it's on that spectrum that I
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and down, back and forth. 
Guitar string is a really good 

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example. 
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like it creates the vibration 
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So in those peaks and valleys 
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unless that's where you place 
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this side of the negative or 
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positive, right? 
I want you to throw that thought

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process out the window. 
I say that because that's what 

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people can universally relate 
to, but the reality is that this

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isn't like a good or bad thing. 
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You can have a positive 
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have a negative perspective on 
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But The thing is, when you look 
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you have to choose a side. 
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I had to take in order to get to
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don't choose one or the other, 
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You kind of bring your awareness
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can see the whole of it. 
You see, oh, these two opposing,

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they're not opposing forces, 
they're just one's +1's negative

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and they complement each other 
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experiences in between the 
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that exists, those can only take
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negative, right? 
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last time, but I'm going to 
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Positive just means presence and
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potential, right? 
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The behavior of something with 
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very in motion. 
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is positive and present is that 
it's very stable and consistent.

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It's still right. 
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thing to be there. 
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it's very all over the place, 
chaotic, and it's looking for a 

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place of ground. 
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to connect with each other, each
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But the awareness that we have 
the neutron, if you will, of an 

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atom. 
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electron negative, and then we 
got the neutron awareness that 

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essentially creates the nucleus 
that gives an orbit to what is 

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constantly in motion and allows 
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to be seen by the things that 
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So I, I, I give that framework 
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highest level is I'm going to go
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when I got my herpes diagnosis 
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was naive and probably still am 
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that I had was in relation to 
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And I think that sex played a 
major part of what I maybe was 

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oblivious to or naive to because
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college or I didn't know that I 
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So I got played college sports 
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So like the opportunities were 
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like nothing happened until 
after college when I was living 

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at home with my grandmother, 
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And what I've come to realize is
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speak to us. 
Our nervous systems speak very 

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gently. 
It's almost like a whisper. 

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It's a very gentle whisper. 
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stillness that often times, if 
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that stillness, if we're not 
grounded, if we're not in our 

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own, like nucleus of an atom, 
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And if we view ourselves as 
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here, we miss things. 
There are signals that come in. 

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And in my case, I think that it 
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relationships and the 
relationship that I had to my 

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body, that not just my body, but
my body, my mind, my thought 

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process, as well as my 
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Like I didn't belong where I 
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I didn't belong at my 
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I didn't belong in Saint Louis. 
I didn't belong in the life 

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pattern of what my parents had, 
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Like they had me, they got 
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They had me when they were 18 
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I'm grateful to have had such 
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like on one hand, you know, we, 
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My dad's always been like a dad,
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her and we were more so raised 
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So I think that that has a lot 
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Completely different 
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So looking at what was happening
around that time for me, I think

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that I was very much chasing 
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It was, it was sex that I was 
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And I think that when I got it, 
like the way that I would get it

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was not through any kind of 
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relationships at all. 
It was just like, oh, cool, this

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person likes me. 
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And then she and I would, you 
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relationship. 
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for getting into relationships 
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sex. 
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I didn't have a lot of sexual 
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I was constantly in 
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like there was a breakup or 
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try to do things with somebody 
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successful, sometimes it wasn't.
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successful. 
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happening. 
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thinking about what was 
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had gotten done playing 
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I graduated college. 
I got a job working as I was 

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basically a secretary. 
I was a secretary for I think a 

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little bit over a year. 
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really like the job that they 
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Like these were my counter part.
So it's me, you know, this 

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former college football player 
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were hired, you know, so I won't
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looks, but they were very much 
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were the managers at the place. 
They, they definitely had a 

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tight that they hired, right? 
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So I, I'm in this environment I 
don't belong in and even in the 

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dating and relationships that I 
had, I didn't belong in that 

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relationship. 
You know, she and I, we were on 

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two different pages about 
things, but also I didn't know 

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what it was that I wanted around
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And I don't think that I ever 
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opportunity to explore that it 
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to do based on my environment 
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based on my inner world, my 
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that I would like for myself. 
I used to think that y'all going

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to laugh at this. 
I used to think I wanted five 

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kids because I'm one of five, 
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I'm my parents only child 
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My mom had a boy and a girl. 
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So I'm like the the middle 
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but one of five and oldest and 
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So it's an interesting dynamic 
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And so I used to think that I 
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kids. 
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now. 
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37, he had a 18 year old turning
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actually, and then 1112 year 
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I think. 
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roommates at 37 and I don't 
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salary. 
You know, I feel like I'm just 

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now figuring a lot of things out
for myself that I wouldn't have 

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been able to figure out at 18. 
But the the pressure of what my 

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dad experienced with becoming a 
parent, I think that that might 

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have forced him into a locked in
lifestyle that I was able to 

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have the privilege and honor of 
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All right. 
I don't want to do this right 

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now. 
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necessary precautions in order 
to not limit myself to the 

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progression, the pathway that my
parents ended up going down and 

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having kids early. 
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sure that there was constant 
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to raise this kid. 
You got to do a lot of stuff 

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that you don't want to do. 
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actually do a lot of the things 
that I want to do, everything 

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that I need to do. 
So I don't have to tell myself 

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no. 
I don't have to justify to 

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anybody. 
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So appreciate that, especially 
through the lens of my herpes 

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diagnosis, because I will say 
that getting herpes freed me 

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from a cage that I didn't know I
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Like I was in a cage of pursuing
sexual partners because 

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partially that's what I thought 
I was supposed to do. 

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But then when it became a point 
where I felt like I can't do 

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that anymore, that's where the 
work started. 

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That's where I didn't 
consciously go into figuring out

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what's my relationship to sex 
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It was OK, I got herpes. 
Now I need to just try and make 

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the relationships that I had 
work or I'm going to have to do 

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a hard thing, which is telling 
the people that I have herpes. 

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I don't want to do that. 
And you get tired. 

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I got tired of having to do that
y'all and putting AAI want to 

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make sure to really elaborate on
the importance here of going 

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through and looking at what was 
happening around the time of 

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diagnosis, because that is often
times where we kind of get 

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stuck. 
I make this I make this joke to 

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my mom about when she had me, 
she kind of like her life was 

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kind of like screenshot in that 
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that's where she became a 
parent, right? 

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Like I like to think that, you 
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grow, people develop. 
But I make this joke with my 

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mom, but I think there might be 
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it because I feel like that's 
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When I got my diagnosis, I think
that I was screenshot into that 

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person and it was that person 
who everything that was 

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happening around me, I wasn't 
listening to. 

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Because you don't see it, You 
can't feel it, you can't touch 

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it, you can't smell it, you 
can't taste it. 

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You cannot experience what was 
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or the warning signals that 
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nervous system. 
You don't have that until it it 

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gets to a point where you're, 
I'm sorry, you don't have that 

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if you don't have the awareness.
So I was not aware. 

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I was always very what do I need
to do for this person to make 

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them like me and get what I want
from them? 

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How can I be as nice and not 
like the people that people talk

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bad about so that I can get what
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And I think that that version of
me was collapsed and like frozen

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and stuck and solidified in that
state. 

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And many of us diagnosed with 
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we don't know it. 
Like that's it. 

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And we try to avoid this. 
We try to avoid this. 

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And we're like, oh, herpes 
stigma, It's not my fault. 

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Like I, I, I brought this upon 
myself. 

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The gods punishing me, right? 
And we, we don't take 

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responsibility or we take 
responsibility for the wrong 

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things. 
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I think my story that I told 
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known as the person who was 
giving people herpes. 

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And that's, that's who this is. 
That's this stuff for anybody 

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who's just listening. 
Like I'm holding the fist as 

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like a solid, a solid 
representation of a physical 

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particle of my identity. 
When I got my diagnosis, this 

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person was very driven by sex 
and sexual relationships. 

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This person was very I want to 
use as simple language as 

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possible. 
So if I do use things like 

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people pleasing and all that 
kind of shit, I apologize. 

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I don't have better language for
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well. 
What do you want to do? 

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Like, I very safe. 
I use the analogy of how I 

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played football when I got to 
college. 

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Like when I got to college, it 
was OK, don't fuck this up. 

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Very don't fuck this up. 
And there was no like expression

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of me. 
There was no breaking the rule 

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to make the play like I would 
have done in high school because

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I was so severely afraid of what
those consequences would bring 

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out that it was more important 
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for me to just play. 
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will, will understand that. 
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population, the best way that I 
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risks. 
So I, I wouldn't take risks. 

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I was not a risk taker. 
And this, this version of me 

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like solidify to a point where 
it's just, it's just like this, 

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this rock, this, this rock that 
ain't got nothing to it ain't no

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personality. 
You can't stick to it. 

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It, it's just there. 
It's not magnetic. 

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It's it's just there. 
And that's who I think I became 

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when I got my diagnosis and I 
lived in this way for about four

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years. 
The relationships that I would 

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enter was like, damn, you know, 
I shouldn't be with this person.

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But you know what ain't no 
hostility of no, there was 

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hostility. 
The emotional, I don't think the

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word emotional abuse really 
fits. 

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Manipulation feels more 
accurate, right? 

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The control that I experienced, 
but didn't see it as that 

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because it's like, all right, 
well, we both get in something, 

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right? 
But it wasn't a fit. 

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The relationship at that time 
wasn't a fit. 

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No, mind you, this was, you 
know, 13 years ago. 

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It'll be thirteen years for me 
that I've had herpes in about a 

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month. 
We get stuck in this when before

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we might have been moving like 
this, like we, we live in this 

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waves, and then we just collapse
ourselves into this particle. 

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And I think that through the 
waves of our existence, the 

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freedom that we had, people feel
like they lost that because now 

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there's this solid thing that is
only a physical manifestation of

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not listening to the warning 
signs of the nervous system, not

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listening to the nervous system 
being like, hey, can you bring 

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your awareness here? 
I need you. 

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I need your awareness here. 
There's something happening. 

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I use this analogy of our bodies
host a variety of bacteria, 

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fungi, parasites and viruses at 
an amount that if we were ever 

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screened or tested for it, we 
might have antibodies for 

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whatever it is, but we won't 
test positive. 

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And the equivalent of that is 
you're the landlord or you're 

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the leasing office or the 
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complex. 
So we host these things and 

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let's say tenant 1B is herpes, 
the herpes simplex miners. 

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And so in 1B, it's hot outside 
and the air conditioner goes 

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out. 
In 1B, Herpes is first going to 

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notify you via e-mail, Hey, our 
air conditioner went out, 

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supposed to be 90° next week. 
Can you come get this fixed if 

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you're not home, if you're not 
present and attuned to the needs

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of your nervous system, because 
it might come to you in like a 

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gentle whisper, right of hey, 
there needs to be some 

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maintenance here in the body. 
Then you missed that e-mail. 

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Next there's my there might be a
second e-mail like there's a 

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phone call. 
And if you're not in your body, 

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if you're not aware, if your 
awareness is way out there 

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somewhere else on what other 
people got going on. 

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If you're chasing something, 
chasing validation externally, 

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you're chasing or allowing 
yourself to be like sad because 

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you're in an environment that 
you don't want to be in, or 

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you're feeling helpless, or 
you're stagnant and you're 

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unable to come home into your. 
Neutron awareness, neutral self,

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to be able to have the awareness
of all right, this is what's 

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happening in my body now. 
You're going to start to get 

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knocking at the door of the 
lease. 

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And I was like, hey, come fix 
our AC. 

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It's hot, it's hot, our hair 
ain't working. 

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And then after that, your tendon
is going to not pay rent. 

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And then maybe they look for a 
new place to live and then bath.

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There's your physical 
representation, There's your 

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physical expression of the 
herpes virus, right? 

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So a lot of what I think from 
myself was my awareness, not 

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being here, not being focused on
who I am myself, not having 

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boundaries, not really having 
any sort of code that I live by.

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It was just very action driven. 
Everything was go, go, go. 

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In yoga, there's rajas, which 
means like motion or heat. 

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And then Thomas means like 
stillness and and cold. 

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And then there's this state of 
Satva where both of those are in

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balance. 
So if your awareness is aligned 

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properly, then what happens is 
you give purpose to the motion 

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and then you give an outlet for 
the stillness. 

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Because we can move from that 
place of power when we're in 

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that sciatic state in a way that
we're able to pick up on those 

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gentle whispers. 
So when we're able to be in our 

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nervous systems and we know our 
own code, our own boundaries, 

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and we live from that place, 
what happens is that the rest of

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the world begins to Orient 
itself to us, and our external 

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reality begins to look like our 
internal reality, which it 

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always does. 
And that just may not be a 

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favorable thing for the simple 
fact that we don't recognize the

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inconsistencies because we're 
not here. 

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So we might have shit happen. 
We're like, damn, you know why I

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can't get this person to commit?
Why can't I, you know, find this

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thing? 
Why am I unhappy at this job? 

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And when you start to have that 
curiosity, I think that that 

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curiosity brings you back home. 
But then when you get back home 

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and then you open up social 
media, boom, the awareness is 

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gone. 
The awareness that was coming 

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back home to, you know, your own
internal organization of being. 

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When you begin to let that those
external forces like out of the 

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shit, it's very difficult to get
back to whatever baseline is or 

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get back into the nucleus to get
back to self or center, right. 

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So for me in that state, what 
was necessary was to incorporate

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more of that awareness to it. 
And as you give your attention 

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to a thing, you start to see 
shit that maybe you don't like, 

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but the solidness of this, it 
begins to start to unfold and 

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you start to witness and 
experience like, oh, OK, this is

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what this really is. 
And then the unfolding of that 

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is kind of bringing it back into
the up and down wave function 

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with a little bit of a reality 
there that we just have to do 

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things a little bit differently.
And doing things a little bit 

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differently might look like 
examining those situations that 

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you might have been in around 
the time of diagnosis where you 

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were again, just screenshot into
that place with no real 

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awareness of what or why this 
could be happening. 

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Like why did this happen to me? 
Because where was unit the 

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tenant in unit 1B where they 
were knocking or where they were

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sending the e-mail? 
You missed that message where 

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you would have been, where you 
would have been. 

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My phone is ringing and it's a 
New York number and I am 100% 

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positive that this is the 
accountant that I have been 

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playing phone tag with for about
a week and a half. 

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And it is, it's Saturday morning
at 11. 

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And I'm positive that when I get
off of here and call him, he is 

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not going to answer the phone. 
This is more important to me 

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than the accountant call. 
So I'm going to finish this and 

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my phone or do not disturb. 
So I know he called a few times.

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Jesus. 
OK, so look at me manifesting 

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the accountant call. 
Is this you? 

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What's more important to you, 
the accountant call or this 

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podcast? 
OK, so because I don't know how 

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to pause this and I don't want 
to, I don't want to recordings. 

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I'm doing no editing, none of 
that. 

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So we we going to have to deal 
with that later. 

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Why did I see that? 
It just messed me up. 

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So bringing our awareness to not
just the herpes, but the 

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solidified narrative that we've 
created for ourselves that has 

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solidified beyond the nervous 
system. 

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And the message is that we would
have gotten from the nervous 

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system of, hey, look at this 
thing. 

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Hey, I'm uncomfortable around 
certain people. 

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Are there certain environments 
that maybe we should be 

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participating in or taking part 
in? 

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And when you're able to begin to
look at that with curiosity, 

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that sort of brings your 
awareness more home. 

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And then at that point, like you
got a choice. 

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You can either be with that and 
identify it, lean into it, 

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explore it, see what's there, 
uncouple it away from what's 

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what's real, what's not real, or
you can avoid it. 

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And I think that those first 
four years from me, it was very 

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much like not doing any of this.
It was more getting further and 

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further away from myself. 
Because when you're chasing me 

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or you're really in pursuit of a
thing, there's really no, 

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there's no incentive to not 
right. 

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Like what was the incentive for 
me to come back home to myself 

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or have any kind of 
self-awareness or look at what 

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was happening for me. 
It wasn't until this happened 

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and then when this happened and 
I got to see how it was 

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controlling the the way it 
functions in my life. 

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Like the peaks and the valleys. 
The peaks and valleys were often

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dictated on herpes. 
Oh my God, someone accepts me 

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for having herpes peak. 
Oh my God, this person rejected 

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me for having herpes Valley. 
And then you begin to develop 

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more of a solidified story in 
those peaks and valleys. 

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OK great, I'm accepted. 
I'm validated whenever someone 

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does accept me from my herpes 
diagnosis and we have Sex 

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Valley. 
Damn, this is the story. 

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Whenever I tell somebody, 
they're going to tell me no, 

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they're going to reject me. 
And whatever it is that we begin

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to align our awareness to is 
really what it is that we start 

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to believe about ourselves. 
Like we we begin to believe that

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and how the beliefs begin to 
shape the behaviors of what 

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happens next. 
So the thought process is the 

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events that have been begin to 
formulate beliefs that drive the

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behaviors that if you're way out
here, just constantly go go go 

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chasing things and trying to 
secure maintain an identity that

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doesn't align with who you are 
anymore. 

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You're never going to be able to
see this for yourself. 

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I wasn't able to see it for 
myself. 

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And so as you begin to 
disidentify, bring your 

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awareness to these things and 
then watch it kind of unravel 

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and dissect what's true versus 
what's not true, you begin to 

449
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:14,280
see where your identity is now, 
like it's fragmented. 

450
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:18,040
And that that's a whole another 
like concept identity 

451
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:19,920
fragmentation as it relates to 
stigma. 

452
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,640
But keeping this on track here 
and what this means for 

453
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,720
authenticity, like people always
just tell you, be yourself, just

454
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,080
be yourself. 
But if you don't know who that 

455
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:35,840
is, who you be, if you only know
yourself in relation to other 

456
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:41,720
people, what does that mean? 
So in one of the most recent 

457
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,040
women's support groups, what 
came up was love. 

458
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,840
Like someone was like, I just 
need to learn to love myself. 

459
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,440
And so I asked, you know, hey, 
what is what's everybody's 

460
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:55,720
definition of love? 
And I think one definition 

461
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,000
didn't have anything to do with 
other people, but the rest of 

462
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,240
them had to do with other 
people. 

463
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:06,560
So that inherently means that 
there cannot be love or a sense 

464
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:11,520
of self love without the 
presence of another to either 

465
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:16,760
experience or be experienced in 
whatever that is, in whatever 

466
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:24,160
love is for a person. 
So the definition that I threw 

467
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,680
out there, this is actually my 
son Copa or like life intention 

468
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:35,120
was nurture your nature. 
So to love is to nurture ones 

469
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,280
nature. 
It's not exclusively contingent 

470
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:42,120
on another person being present 
and doing the nurturing. 

471
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,760
It's more contingent on the 
person identifying and knowing 

472
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:52,360
what their nature is and then 
nurturing that, whether that be 

473
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,360
themselves nurturing their 
nature or if someone were to 

474
00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:01,240
come into the picture for them 
to be nurturing to 1's nature. 

475
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:06,200
Going back to, you know, the 
solidified, you know, identity 

476
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,480
collapse of our identities after
herpes diagnosis and all of the 

477
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,120
stories that we tell ourselves 
and what was happening around 

478
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,240
that. 
A lot of people have experienced

479
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:21,920
an invalidation of identity, and
it's in that invalidation of 

480
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,160
identity that one's nature is 
not nurtured. 

481
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,400
There's a whatever the opposite 
of that would be, right? 

482
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:34,200
So experiencing the opposite of 
the nurturing of 1's nature, 

483
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,320
you're invalidating your own 
identity. 

484
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:42,280
And it's that in which people 
who you get your herpes 

485
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,440
diagnosis. 
And then it comes a point where 

486
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:49,680
it's like, OK, like what? 
What does this what does this 

487
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,000
mean? 
Why did God do this to me? 

488
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,120
What I shouldn't have been dot 
dot dot and we look at our 

489
00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:08,520
actions that happen rather than 
looking at what our try not to 

490
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,560
use these high level last words.
We're looking at our actions 

491
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:16,360
versus like the our feelings, 
like what we're feeling. 

492
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:21,200
Because a lot of times again, 
those subtle whispers will tell 

493
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:22,480
us, hey, get the fuck out of 
here. 

494
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,520
You get the fuck out of here. 
Get away from this person, get 

495
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,040
away from this thing, get away 
from this place. 

496
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,800
And the more we do a thing, the 
better we get at it. 

497
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,840
So we might not listen to that. 
And then we get better at not 

498
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,280
listening to our intuition. 
And then we look up and we 

499
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:45,280
wonder how this happened. 
And in my case, not nurturing my

500
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:54,560
nature looked like obtaining 
what my nature is from other 

501
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,120
people, right? 
I use the example of like how my

502
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,360
therapist told me I was 
polyamorous, how my ex told me I

503
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,480
was polyamorous. 
And then it took for me to 

504
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,400
really bring my awareness to 
myself and be like, you know 

505
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:08,240
what? 
That don't fit. 

506
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,160
Like I've been saying non 
monogamous or I can be 

507
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:17,560
monogamous like it doesn't 
matter to me for years. 

508
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,320
Like I've been saying that for 
years. 

509
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:24,640
And then I let people tell me. 
And then I felt like, OK, well I

510
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,520
guess this is it. 
Like I got to believe that. 

511
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:32,800
And that behavior carried 13 
years later from my initial 

512
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:37,200
herpes diagnosis even till now 
of letting other people tell me 

513
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,640
who and what I am, what I'm 
supposed to be. 

514
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,160
And you know, one of my board 
members, either she always says,

515
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:44,480
Corey, this is more than the 
podcast. 

516
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,480
This is more than the podcast. 
And then I'm like, alright, 

517
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,480
well, you know, maybe I should 
not do the podcast right now. 

518
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:55,680
I let other people's opinions. 
I've been very impressionable. 

519
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,520
Let's say that I've been very 
impressionable. 

520
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:02,720
And I think that over the last 
God, it's been 2 weeks, I think 

521
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:07,840
it's been 2-3 weeks. 
I've not been impressionable. 

522
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:16,320
I've become more self-sufficient
is the best way that I can put 

523
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,160
it. 
Like I'm not needing to take in 

524
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:24,120
energy, take in things from 
other people in order for me to 

525
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:31,320
maintain my spend. 
And like I this has been a hard 

526
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,400
thing because I've had to do 
things that I've never done like

527
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,320
I've had to. 
I've had to end relationships, 

528
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:43,200
I've had to hit the I've had to 
say no. 

529
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:49,520
I've had to say no. 
And that's been such a hard 

530
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:54,760
thing for me because I want to 
say to everybody, I want to fix 

531
00:33:54,760 --> 00:34:00,360
everybody. 
I want to do what's right and in

532
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:09,679
aligning with the idea of 
nurturing my nature, it really 

533
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,800
the idea of right and wrong 
aren't opposites, they're 

534
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:25,440
complementary forces, right? 
There is no concept of right 

535
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,600
without the concept of wrong. 
And on that spectrum, again, 

536
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,040
this is where a lot of 
experiences can take place. 

537
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:40,760
And it feels wrong to leave 
somebody and abandoned them or 

538
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:45,440
to have to walk away, especially
if they're like going through a 

539
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:51,320
hard time, right? 
And then the right thing becomes

540
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,560
staying and helping them and 
supporting them. 

541
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:01,920
But then in that same duality, 
the right thing in that context 

542
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,840
is, oh, OK, I'm here. 
I'm here for this person. 

543
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,160
I'm supporting them. 
I'm I'm, I'm doing for them. 

544
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:11,480
And now the wrong thing in that 
is what's the what's the cost? 

545
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,200
What's the energetic trade off 
right? 

546
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:26,520
The right thing being to nurture
my nature, the wrong thing being

547
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,280
in the how of it. 
Like how do I nurture my nature 

548
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,360
in relation to with a person 
without a person? 

549
00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:42,800
And you can see how it can 
become very conflicting when 

550
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,640
related to external forces, 
external circumstances. 

551
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:53,280
And I think that regardless of 
like how it's felt in the 

552
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,160
process, it's not about what's 
right, what's wrong. 

553
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,720
It's about what's true, what's 
authentic, right and not. 

554
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:03,600
I think that that's the hardest 
part about authenticity is 

555
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:09,960
because not only are you pulling
back, you know, whatever you've 

556
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:14,560
been pouring into your, you've 
been pouring into things and now

557
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,640
you have to step back and really
take inventory on what it is 

558
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,360
you've been pouring into, what 
your, what the reciprocity is, 

559
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,680
what the big picture goal is. 
How does it align? 

560
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,800
How is it maintaining your own 
authenticity and truth and 

561
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,440
reality of who it is that you 
are and want to be? 

562
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:37,360
You know, I'm, I'm seeing 
consistently that nature rewards

563
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,760
consistency, nature rewards 
evolution. 

564
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,120
So and efficiency, it rewards 
consistency and efficiency, 

565
00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:50,160
right? 
And I've seen that over the 

566
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,200
years in something positive for 
positive people. 

567
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,720
Like as long as I've been 
consistent with and doing this, 

568
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,240
there's been an evolution that 
has occurred. 

569
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,960
And even for me like this, this 
I'm, I'm, I'm gone from thinking

570
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:08,880
that this is who I am to this is
an extension of me. 

571
00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:13,320
And based on, you know, what I'm
seeing reflected back to me, I'm

572
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,960
able to pull from it and go, OK,
that aligns, that aligns, that 

573
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,280
aligns, that aligns. 
But I'm also seeing the same way

574
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,200
that I have issues and something
positive for positive people. 

575
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:28,480
I have issues and relationships,
and some of the things that have

576
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,280
come up throughout the history 
of my relationships have been 

577
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:37,040
issues that have been presented 
in my face with something 

578
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:41,640
positive for positive people. 
And that has been a real hard 

579
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,800
reality because, you know, I've 
been doing this for nine years 

580
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,920
now and I've been positive for 
herpes for 13 years now. 

581
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:52,000
And to see that there have been 
things that have not changed 

582
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:58,360
tells me I've been stuck or I'm 
doing the wrong shit. 

583
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,880
And I don't think I'm stuck and 
I don't think I'm doing the 

584
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,160
wrong shit. 
I think that my awareness has 

585
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:10,520
just not been here in the 
nucleus of Courtney and it's 

586
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,080
something that, you know, I I, 
I, I got to get. 

587
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:14,920
I got to give a credit when she 
wears due. 

588
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,560
My ex was right. 
It's like when you need 

589
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:21,280
boundaries and my thought 
process was always, well, why 

590
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,240
the fuck do I need boundaries 
with somebody that like I want 

591
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,240
in my space? 
Like I love being able to invite

592
00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:32,000
people into my space, but also 
I'm understanding the energetics

593
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:36,040
of what that means. 
When you allow someone this 

594
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:40,600
close proximity to you, you 
become more of them. 

595
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:45,320
So without the energetic 
boundaries of things like I'll 

596
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,000
use something positive for 
positive people. 

597
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,120
For example, I'll have a 30 
minute support call that 

598
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,160
sometimes I'll let go into 
becoming a 90 minute support 

599
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,720
call. 
I'll have someone show up 1015 

600
00:38:58,720 --> 00:39:03,720
minutes late and then still give
them their original time plus 15

601
00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:07,720
minutes. 
And I got to stop doing that 

602
00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:09,960
shit. 
Like it like today, like today, 

603
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,840
it stops. 
I'm recording on a Saturday. 

604
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:17,280
I just so happen to like have 
the space, have the time, and 

605
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,720
this is something that needs to 
be done. 

606
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,240
And it just it did. 
I felt called to, I felt called 

607
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:25,680
to just go ahead and get it over
with. 

608
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:34,520
I got to stop doing that in 
regards to like making people be

609
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,920
intentional with the 30 minutes 
that we have together, right? 

610
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,160
You come in, we got 30 minutes 
for the support call. 

611
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,160
So you coming in with a thing. 
If you need the vent, there are 

612
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,400
places for that. 
I am also here for it to an 

613
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,720
extent, but I'm here to help you
help you. 

614
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,480
That's what I'm here to. 
I'm, I'm here to help you help 

615
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,680
you. 
If you are unwilling to do the 

616
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,840
things that you know, you're 
telling me your situation, I'm 

617
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,480
giving you the thing that'll 
help you with the problem that 

618
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:09,720
you're presenting to me. 
If you don't want to do it, I 

619
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:14,400
can't help you. 
And that that feels wrong of me.

620
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,840
It feels fucking wrong. 
My chest hurt. 

621
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,400
My chest just he was like, oh, 
did you just say that? 

622
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,960
Did you really just say that? 
You just said you can't help 

623
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,160
somebody? 
Because that's been the thing. 

624
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:29,000
Like I've given pity Dick around
the time of my diagnosis. 

625
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:34,360
I remember, I remember like, 
don't nobody want no pity Dick? 

626
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,920
I mean, people do, but like, 
ain't nobody trying to have sex 

627
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:42,520
out of pity or just like, oh, 
you know what, she like me and 

628
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:47,480
she's there, right. 
And that's been a thing that has

629
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:52,040
carried very well into my 30s. 
And this was something that was 

630
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:57,440
going on my my teenage years. 
I think about my first, Oh my 

631
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,320
God, this is heavy. 
So I'm going to say this and 

632
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,720
then we'll close that loop and 
then come back to the support 

633
00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:08,240
calls. 
But one of my first 

634
00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:12,400
relationships, I think that it's
come from me being somebody who,

635
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,920
like, I grew up, I was my 
momma's emotional boyfriend. 

636
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,960
So I've got this fucking 
seemingly infinite capacity for 

637
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:24,040
emotional bandwidth to be able 
to like take on somebody else's 

638
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,320
shit. 
And I never knew what was 

639
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,760
happening, what that was, what 
they did to me up until very 

640
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,120
recently. 
And so in my 1617 years old, 

641
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,600
someone that I was dating and 
ended up in a relationship, we 

642
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,520
had a lot of heavy shit going 
on. 

643
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,920
I did not know how that was 
impacting me, but I thought I 

644
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,040
was being a good boyfriend 
because I was there for her and 

645
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,120
I didn't leave or I didn't be 
like, Hey, you need to deal with

646
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:54,000
this shit on your own, right? 
And so Fast forward into 

647
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,560
multiple relationships after 
that, like my the healthiest 

648
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:01,000
people that I was in 
relationships with, there was 

649
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,080
nothing happening. 
There was no polarity. 

650
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,800
It just became kind of like this
flat thing. 

651
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:12,360
It was very flat and there was 
there would be like conflict, I 

652
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,040
think because there was no 
problem. 

653
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,200
But I'm like, yo, this is 
peaceful, which what you mean? 

654
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:25,920
But I've recognized that I think
I've lost sexual attraction when

655
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,720
at least over the nine years 
I've become more aware of this 

656
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:31,320
because now, you know, this is 
what I do. 

657
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,600
Like I hold the emotional space 
for a lot of people, especially 

658
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,680
day in, day out. 
And recognizing that when I have

659
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,720
become an emotional boyfriend to
somebody or like an emotional 

660
00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:45,720
support resource, that puts me 
in the mindset of what I do 

661
00:42:45,720 --> 00:42:47,680
here. 
And I've now been able to 

662
00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:52,360
identify, oh, that is a boundary
because I don't date people that

663
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,840
are like clients or in support 
groups or that I have calls with

664
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,080
or anything like that. 
That's been a hard boundary. 

665
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:05,280
So that boundary has leaked into
my dating life to where in the 

666
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,440
event that somebody does like 
very early on without really 

667
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:15,640
entering the bubble or earning a
spot in that bubble, like 

668
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,200
emotional venting, especially 
without a resolution, like I've 

669
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:23,880
decided that I will help anybody
who is willing to help 

670
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,560
themselves. 
I will help anybody willing to 

671
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,840
help themselves. 
And I, I think I got that from 

672
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,160
watching One Piece because I, I 
learned that from Luffy. 

673
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,240
Luffy, Luffy, don't come to you 
and be like, what's wrong? 

674
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,280
How can I help? 
How can I fix your problems? 

675
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,720
Luffy is in passing, chilling, 
minding his own business. 

676
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,960
Somebody needs help. 
They have to ask for help and 

677
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,760
they have to be willing to fight
for themselves. 

678
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:52,840
And like that is something that 
I've adopted for myself and 

679
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,160
integrated into my own 
boundaries. 

680
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:56,640
Like, I ain't never had that 
shit before. 

681
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,760
You know, I'm 37 years old. 
I think I heard the word bound 

682
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,120
just when I was what, 3234 it 
was. 

683
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:06,280
It was sometime around the 
pandemic that I started to 

684
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,040
really hear that word and 
understand what it meant because

685
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,800
I was like, oh, why do I need to
keep people out? 

686
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,960
I love having people in. 
I want to connect with 

687
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,880
everybody. 
And that shit don't work. 

688
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:28,520
That shit don't work. 
So as I've noticed in becoming 

689
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:34,760
an emotional like support that 
has absolutely killed sexual 

690
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,280
attraction for me. 
And I don't know that I've ever 

691
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:42,720
been able to really put it into 
words until yesterday, literally

692
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:49,280
yesterday, saying it out loud. 
And another thing that in seeing

693
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:54,720
someone, I, I saw a dating and 
relationships coach and we were 

694
00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:57,200
talking about polyamory. 
And that was part of what 

695
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,640
affirmed that I'm not 
polyamorous, but that I had like

696
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,880
more language around how to 
communicate who I am, how I do 

697
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:10,920
relationships to other people. 
She mentioned appropriately 

698
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,320
placing people and that that 
close knit thing, right? 

699
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:19,320
Like that's where people can, 
you know, vent or have access to

700
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,880
me in a certain way. 
But even that like that is very 

701
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,720
exclusive and has to it has 
other boundaries there as well. 

702
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,320
Like it has to be reciprocal as 
well. 

703
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,600
But then there's the placement 
of people that maybe you call 

704
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,200
friends or your families, your 
community. 

705
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:38,720
Then there's some people that 
like, if I go dancing, there's 

706
00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:41,080
people that I might see 
regularly that I would dance 

707
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:42,400
with. 
But these aren't the people who 

708
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:47,520
have like venting one-on-one 
privileges and emotional access 

709
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,200
to me. 
Or if I go out to a bar, I'm 

710
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,920
sure this happens to people all 
the time where somebody just 

711
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,560
tells you their life story and 
their trauma and like, dump that

712
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,960
shit on you. 
I not I, I, I have to stop 

713
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:00,520
saying this is the last time 
I'll say it. 

714
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:06,080
I don't want to be an asshole. 
Like to be an asshole to me has 

715
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:10,720
been synonymous with 
prioritizing self and preserving

716
00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:13,520
energy. 
And now that I see like how God 

717
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:18,920
works, how authenticity works, 
how, you know, we are rewarded 

718
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:24,360
for our behaviors, I have become
a much more selfish person in 

719
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,120
that sense, but not in the 
hateful way, not in the violent 

720
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:32,520
or aggressive way, but just in a
way that works. 

721
00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:36,800
And it's protecting my energy. 
And this is something that I've 

722
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:41,040
learned from herpes. 
So protecting my atomic 

723
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,920
structure because at the end of 
the day, we are protons, 

724
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,160
neutrons, electrons, right? 
Like that. 

725
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:47,960
That's, that's essentially what 
we are. 

726
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:53,320
And the way that these things 
operate are the rules that we 

727
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:59,600
have to live by. 
And so maximum evolution, 

728
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:04,600
minimum effort, minimum waste. 
And I have wasted a lot of 

729
00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:09,120
energy and the pursuit of sexual
partners and going back to the 

730
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:13,120
herpes diagnosis, like I see 
that now and I've been, I watch 

731
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:17,640
anime, lots of anime. 
And there are so many metaphors 

732
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:23,080
and synonymous things that 
parallel real life. 

733
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:27,360
Jiu Jitsu Kaizen is 1 where they
have a heavenly pack. 

734
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,680
If you watch your Jiu Jitsu 
Kaizen, you know Toji and you 

735
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:37,040
know my goddamnit mocking. 
And they have heavenly packs. 

736
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:41,160
They don't have any cursed 
energy and they are solidified 

737
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:45,240
in this like straight up state 
where they are unaffected by the

738
00:47:45,240 --> 00:47:48,800
negative energy of others. 
And in exchange, they have like 

739
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:56,000
tremendous abilities, right? 
But they cut off they, they, the

740
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,760
agreement is like, OK, now you 
don't get to use cursed energy. 

741
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,440
So everybody else has cursed 
energy except for like a couple 

742
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,880
of characters, right? 
And that's the exchange for that

743
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:11,360
like superpower, the superhuman 
ability herpes has cut me off 

744
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,720
from being able to just Free 
Willy have sexual experiences 

745
00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:18,040
with people that are from an 
unconscious place. 

746
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,600
And I didn't realize this at the
time. 

747
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,920
Unconsciously I've been 
navigating it in the right way 

748
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:29,000
or the the way that it should be
used because it's kind of giving

749
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:33,240
me a reason to be authentic. 
Because now I can't not tell 

750
00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:36,440
somebody I have herpes, not just
because I have herpes and if I 

751
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,040
give it to them, that would 
suck, but because I also like 

752
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,840
you can Google me. 
And if somebody, if I hook up 

753
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,360
with somebody, don't tell them I
have herpes and then they look 

754
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,440
me up online and find out that I
gave them herpes, that is a 

755
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:51,160
lawsuit way to happen. 
So I now have to have that 

756
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:56,760
conversation business wise, but 
personally it, it affirms my 

757
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:03,800
values as a person of integrity 
that somebody who now also 

758
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,480
right. 
It's not just a mindless sexual 

759
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,120
thing that we use those people 
out. 

760
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,000
So there aren't going to be any 
energy drains of somebody who 

761
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:16,880
just wants to have sex with me 
because I'm a strong muscular, I

762
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:20,360
have a a black man physique 
body. 

763
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,320
And what comes with that? 
Like as I could go them around 

764
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,280
or be rough with them or say 
whatever and do whatever it is. 

765
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,840
There now has to be a little bit
of intentionality and 

766
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,920
conscientiousness to it. 
There has to be a conversation, 

767
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:39,760
some communication. 
There might have to be more of 

768
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,200
an alignment there to some 
extent, even whether short term,

769
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:49,000
long term, whatever it is now 
both people involved got to 

770
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:50,440
pause. 
I got to pause and go, is this 

771
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,440
person somebody I can trust to 
tell this to? 

772
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,320
And the other person has to, you
know, go, all right, well, 

773
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:00,160
what's what's my intention here?
And it brings it, it, it cuts 

774
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:07,160
off a lot of unintentionality. 
So my heavenly pact in that 

775
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:13,920
sense is now having developed 
this, this pressure builder, 

776
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,840
because now a waste of energy 
from just casually hooking up 

777
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,000
unconsciously that's been choked
off. 

778
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,200
So now the energy that normally 
would have been leaked from that

779
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:27,520
Ave. is not able to go there. 
So there's like a pressure build

780
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:34,040
up that now the energy has to go
elsewhere and doing that in a 

781
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:39,920
few other places too. 
Like I, I think I'm done 

782
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:41,560
drinking. 
I know I'm done getting fucked 

783
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,040
up, that's for sure. 
But I think I'm done drinking. 

784
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,920
So that's like one more way 
where unconscious energy can 

785
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,800
leak because you might just be 
mindlessly doing shit that you 

786
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,080
ain't got no business doing it. 
Same thing with food. 

787
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,160
Like I've changed how, I don't 
know if y'all can tell, but I'm 

788
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,480
feeling strong and like see the 
muscles. 

789
00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:09,960
Yeah, with how I eat. 
So I'm, I'm into yoga, yoga 

790
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,800
therapy and I've recognized that
my dosha. 

791
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,000
So these are like, you know, 
there's three primary types of 

792
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,760
Vata, which is air and ether 
pizza, which is fire and water, 

793
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,000
and then kapha, which is earth 
and water. 

794
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,840
So I'm, I'm very Kapha dominant.
There's some pizza in my 

795
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:27,840
personality. 
But what that means essentially 

796
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,760
is that I'm very strong, stable,
grounded, like sturdy, 

797
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,280
consistent. 
There's a lot of the qualities 

798
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:38,160
of earth and water there. 
I'm I'm easy going laid back and

799
00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:42,960
I am supposed to eat like 
certain things and I'm not 

800
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,960
supposed to eat certain things. 
And it's just like off of the 

801
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,560
yogic makeup of my body. 
And since honoring that, like I 

802
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:54,000
was stuck at 23233 for so long, 
like today I slept on the sky. 

803
00:51:54,000 --> 00:52:03,840
I was 220.6 almost at 219 gold 
and my body responds in that way

804
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,080
and my body's responsive to 
that. 

805
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,840
So I went to the doctor for the 
first time in like 2-3 years and

806
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,280
I learned that I was pretty 
diabetic. 

807
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,840
So I'm fortunately at a place 
where I can reverse. 

808
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,080
As I mentioned in 2021, I had a 
buck ton of sugar in a short 

809
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:23,120
period of time, changed up my 
sugar intake and then I was able

810
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,840
to stop myself from crossing 
that line. 

811
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:31,600
And then lately I would have 
sweets here and there and like 

812
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,840
some sugary shit, but not being 
mindful of it, I'm like, oh, I 

813
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,360
work out. 
So I'm just down fucking sleeve 

814
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,520
of Oreos. 
And that, that, that ain't how 

815
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,400
that works. 
So I've had to make some 

816
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:50,120
lifestyle changes just over the 
last like 3 weeks honestly and 

817
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:56,440
it's been going well and taking 
care of myself. 

818
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,240
Blood pressure has always been a
thing. 

819
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:04,720
I tried to fast for Ramadan, 
which was three days ago and two

820
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:06,960
days before that I started. 
I was like yeah let me see if I 

821
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,840
can do this. 
Can I fast from all while the 

822
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,120
sun is up? 
And I started doing some 

823
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,600
research and learned that having
pre diabetes and high blood 

824
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,080
pressure and on his muscle, I 
can't do that. 

825
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,600
Like I need to be drinking water
throughout the day. 

826
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:24,520
So I was like disappointed. 
And that's what led me to begin 

827
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:29,320
a some, some, some culpa, which 
is like a, a essentially like a 

828
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,440
lifelong intention and 
commitment. 

829
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:35,400
So I've been listening to the 
Yoga Sutras of Patanjali and 

830
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:39,800
I've been doing a lot more 
trying to understand quantum 

831
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,480
physics a lot better and just 
looking at how on an atomic 

832
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:49,040
structural level those things 
form so that I can live my life 

833
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,160
around that. 
So moving forward on the 

834
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,040
podcast, I think that I'll talk 
more about that because I think 

835
00:53:55,040 --> 00:54:00,520
that it's really, really helpful
and looking at the whole maximum

836
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:07,200
potential output with minimal 
waste for maximum efficiency and

837
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,720
peaking evolution. 
Like I'm, I'm trimming a lot of 

838
00:54:10,720 --> 00:54:15,040
the fat, not just in my life, 
but also for something positive,

839
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:19,400
for positive people. 
One thing is wait, that's for 

840
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,800
the end of this. 
Let me bring things back to a 

841
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:25,920
conclusion. 
First, I caught myself what 

842
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,120
herpes taught me about 
authenticity is the core of 

843
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:32,120
this, right? 
So it's not just be yourself. 

844
00:54:33,240 --> 00:54:37,920
It's not just be yourself, it's 
bring that curiosity and then 

845
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,040
find out the truth. 
Bring in the curiosity and find 

846
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:45,480
out the truth of the stories 
that we tell ourselves and where

847
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:49,000
things are inconsistent. 
We got to, we got to adjust that

848
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:50,800
shit. 
We really do. 

849
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,160
We have to bring our awareness 
and attention to the thing 

850
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:57,160
because again, where we got our 
diagnosis may have screenshot us

851
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,640
into who we think we are or who 
we used to be. 

852
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:02,920
And we may feel like we can't be
that person anymore because 

853
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:04,640
we're not fucking supposed to 
be. 

854
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,720
We're supposed to evolve. 
We're supposed to grow, we're 

855
00:55:07,720 --> 00:55:14,280
supposed to expand, right? 
And for people who feel like 

856
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:18,560
depressed or sad or just stuck, 
like that's why we're not 

857
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:23,600
working towards a thing, which 
is our own natural evolution. 

858
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,760
And often times we might be 
doing a lot of inconsistent 

859
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:28,520
shit. 
Like people will say to me all 

860
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,000
the time, like, oh, you know, I 
want a relationship eventually, 

861
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,440
but right now I want to do, it's
like, OK, you got to pick one. 

862
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,000
People would be like, oh, I 
don't want to disclose, but I 

863
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,960
should have disclosed. 
Like pick one, pick one. 

864
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:46,520
Like I, I, I hate to, you know, 
be that way, but it's the push 

865
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:51,240
pull of this or that that 
creates all of these stories and

866
00:55:51,240 --> 00:55:53,760
thoughts and ways to navigate a 
thing. 

867
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,520
Because I can't work with 
someone who doesn't know where 

868
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,880
they're working from. 
You know, I can see, you know, 

869
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:04,600
the we're going this way or that
way by eliminating things by 

870
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:09,520
half until we get to, you know, 
a range of where we're going to 

871
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:11,840
either move forward or not move 
forward. 

872
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:13,680
But like, that's the extent of 
it. 

873
00:56:15,240 --> 00:56:19,360
I can't, I can't do more than 
like if a person is unwilling to

874
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:23,280
help themselves, I cannot 
participate in that and offer 

875
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,640
any kind of help because all I'm
going to do is cause harm or 

876
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:31,920
confusion even right. 
So when it comes to what I've 

877
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:36,920
learned from my herpes diagnosis
about authenticity is that it's 

878
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:42,080
not this duality of right wrong,
it's the complementary, like you

879
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,000
have to apply your awareness to 
it because then right and wrong 

880
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,040
becomes objective. 
What's right for you might be 

881
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:52,640
wrong to them to might be wrong 
for you. 

882
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,240
And it's ultimately about 
nurturing your nature. 

883
00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:02,160
So identifying what your nature 
is and then nurturing that by 

884
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:06,720
bringing in curiosity, by 
bringing in a willingness to 

885
00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:10,880
identify what's true for you, 
and then being able to establish

886
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:15,840
a code and live from there. 
That is what herpes taught me 

887
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:19,840
about authenticity. 
So now translating all of this 

888
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,640
to something positive for 
positive people, but to expect 

889
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,840
moving forward, I think I 
mentioned some of the boundaries

890
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:33,080
that translate from dating into 
this space or how they flip flop

891
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,880
and leap. 
But what's most important is 

892
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:41,320
that we now within those 30 
minute windows that we maximize 

893
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:45,680
the time that we have together 
by people coming in with their 

894
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:47,520
own intention. 
Like I'll try and make this as 

895
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,720
clear as possible that coming 
into it, I need to know if there

896
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:54,800
was one thing that you wanted to
get out of our time together, 

897
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:59,000
what would that one thing be? 
Right. 

898
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,760
So I typically ask everybody 
this question before we start 

899
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,840
our call now, like I want to 
make sure people have that going

900
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:12,040
into it. 
The other thing is the timing. 

901
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:19,400
So if the people are late, if 
people miss and we just got to 

902
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:23,520
reschedule like you, you got 24 
hours, we'll reschedule within 

903
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:25,720
the 24 hour block. 
I've been having a lot of people

904
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:31,840
lately who just don't show up or
will be like, oh, I'm sorry, I 

905
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:33,600
thought this was a different 
time. 

906
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:38,160
So how we, I sent out a calendar
invite, calendar invite. 

907
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:43,160
How did you miss this? 
And so that that's leaking 

908
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,880
energy for me. 
It's, it's taking away from the 

909
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,880
evolution of not just something 
positive for positive people, 

910
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,280
but also myself, like I, I 
really take this seriously. 

911
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:55,560
This is important to me and it's
important that I treat it like 

912
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:59,320
it's important to me. 
So 30 minute calls in the event 

913
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:02,600
that you miss or if you're late,
we just got to reschedule. 

914
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,200
You got you got 24 hours to 
think about what you did. 

915
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,160
So yeah. 
And if you show up 510 minutes 

916
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,760
late, we we booked that 30 
minutes. 

917
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,240
It's that 30 minute time is what
you've reserved. 

918
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:19,040
Now stuff comes up. 
If a thing happens, let me know.

919
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:23,000
And again, we just reschedule 
within 2020 outside of the 24 

920
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,360
hour window, right. 
So these are things I can say 

921
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,600
out loud because it's important 
for me to like. 

922
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,720
I think I need to speak these 
two existence to live by them 

923
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,200
because I I don't like I 
mentioned, I've been on I was on

924
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,960
phone 90, 3 minutes with 
somebody for a 30 minute phone 

925
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,920
call, right? 
We got to come here. 

926
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:46,360
If you come here I am, you have 
to be a person who is ready to 

927
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:50,160
do something for yourself. 
If you come to vent, I'll listen

928
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,960
to you, but I am going to 
present you with next steps and 

929
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:55,960
solutions. 
I'm not going to be somebody 

930
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:59,880
that will enable you to just not
do anything. 

931
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:02,000
Because that's not my role, 
that's not my place. 

932
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:03,800
There are plenty of places on 
the Internet for that. 

933
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:05,760
I'm sure there are plenty of 
people out there that would take

934
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,880
your money to listen to you. 
I'm not. 

935
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:12,360
I'm here for a reason. 
I'm here to support you into the

936
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,200
next stage or whatever it looks 
like for you to minimize stigma 

937
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,800
within yourself. 
That's what I'm here for. 

938
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:22,120
All right, so after a support 
call, if you feel like you still

939
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:25,560
need more, you can work with me 
as a yoga therapy client or you 

940
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:27,520
can participate in the support 
group. 

941
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,480
That's the transition of the 
next steps. 

942
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:35,480
And then the other thing, as far
as the support groups go, I am 

943
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:41,200
having difficulty with men 
showing up consistently to the 

944
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:44,120
support group. 
So the process is the process 

945
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:47,320
for a reason. 
You make the donation to 

946
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,760
whichever support group you want
to participate in. 

947
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:54,280
The next upcoming support group 
is what you will get a calendar 

948
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,840
invite for. 
That calendar invite, if this is

949
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,760
your first time, might go to 
your spam folder. 

950
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,960
So when you donate whatever 
e-mail you use to make the 

951
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,760
donation, that is where the 
calendar invite will go. 

952
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:11,280
It will go to you within 20, 
usually within 24 hours, but 

953
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:15,440
let's say 72 hours because of 
the weekends. 

954
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,000
I'm not, I'm not doing weekend 
things anymore. 

955
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:22,200
And if you know, you reach out 
outside that window, you'll hear

956
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:27,040
from me between Monday at 1:00 
PM and Friday at 1:00 PM All 

957
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:31,720
right, So after 1:00 PM on 
Friday, Courtney's out of the 

958
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,680
office until up until 1:00 PM on
Monday. 

959
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:37,280
All right, That's I got to do 
this. 

960
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,120
I got to do this and I got to 
stick to it. 

961
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:46,960
So for the men's group, I think 
this is I'm going to give it a 

962
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:48,320
little bit of time. 
So I'm going to give it the 

963
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,840
month of March. 
And if by the end of March, like

964
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:58,680
I'm seeing, you know, 1-2 people
here there, I might just have to

965
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:04,640
keep it at support calls because
it's not, it's a waste. 

966
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,920
It's a waste. 
Like I'm making myself available

967
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:11,840
and accessible the second and 
4th Monday of every month. 

968
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,480
And you know, there's 20 plus 
women. 

969
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:17,560
Well, last time there was like 
14, I want to say, but there's 

970
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:21,360
consistently been about 20 women
who come to their support 

971
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,400
groups. 
And it makes more sense for me 

972
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:28,720
to give them what it is that 
they need more of because if 

973
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:32,120
there's so many of them, I might
as well use those second for 

974
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:36,600
Mondays to just have smaller 
groups or to be able to make 

975
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:39,000
more space for the people who do
want to participate. 

976
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:42,560
So I'm not, I'm unable to see 
exactly what it is. 

977
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:44,760
It is the issue with the men's 
group. 

978
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,680
I don't, I don't know. 
I don't know what the issue is 

979
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,760
with the consistency. 
Maybe it's just that the men are

980
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:52,560
coming. 
They're, you know, saying what 

981
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:55,280
they got to say, they take the 
advice, they go implement it, 

982
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:58,440
and then that's it or it's 
something else. 

983
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:03,000
So I started those support 
groups separately in October. 

984
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:06,840
We'll we'll see what happens 
over the course of the month of 

985
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:09,120
March. 
But as of right now, we got I 

986
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:10,960
think four people that are 
signed up. 

987
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:15,880
But yeah, if if there's no 
consistency at this point, after

988
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,520
October, November, December, 
January, February, March, after 

989
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:21,440
six months, then we got to we 
got to cut it. 

990
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:25,320
And yeah, the support calls are 
still available. 

991
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:28,360
Yoga therapy is still an option.
I'll be done with that this 

992
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:34,000
year. 
But podcast wise, I'm only doing

993
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,680
solo episodes now for however 
long. 

994
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:40,760
I don't know what'll happen. 
Maybe somebody will pop up and 

995
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:42,720
be like, yeah, Courtney, let me 
have, I want to be on your 

996
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:45,880
podcast. 
But to make this efficient, 

997
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:54,000
because especially social media 
has not been friendly to me, 

998
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:58,760
that avenue of getting 
information out about the 

999
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:04,840
organization, about what we got 
going on, it's useless at this 

1000
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,120
point. 
It's useless unless I'm willing 

1001
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:09,760
to do some shit that I'm not 
willing to do, which I'm not. 

1002
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,640
So you'll see, like there are 
pin posts. 

1003
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:19,440
I may go on there to share a 
thing to post that's relevant to

1004
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,120
something that's going on. 
Maybe if we have an event, I'll 

1005
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:27,720
buy some ads, but that's like 
the only usefulness of that in 

1006
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:32,240
person events. 
So Speaking of not wasting 

1007
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:36,960
energy, the in person events, I 
have something March 21st in New

1008
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:39,560
York. 
This is an in person support 

1009
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:42,000
group. 
We'll start at 11 AM with a 

1010
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:45,240
support group. 
We'll have like a 2 hour break 

1011
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:49,120
where we're going to do some 
live demos of practicing, 

1012
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:52,880
disclosing, discussing herpes 
with a partner that will be 

1013
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:54,120
recorded. 
So if people want to 

1014
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:57,160
participate, let me know. 
But as of right now, I'm 

1015
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:59,960
probably going to be the person 
that's like doing this with 

1016
01:04:59,960 --> 01:05:03,720
somebody who happens to be there
and it is OK with being on 

1017
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:05,680
camera and navigating this 
conversation. 

1018
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:09,520
After that we have a documentary
knowing of the No Shame in This 

1019
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:13,760
Game film from I think we 
finished recording in 2022, I 

1020
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:17,120
want to say, but a lot of people
haven't seen it because it's not

1021
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:20,120
it's not widely available. 
So we're paying her to come in 

1022
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:21,520
and do the documentary 
screening. 

1023
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:22,960
There's a couple of us who are 
in it. 

1024
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:24,880
There's going to be a little 
panel after the showing. 

1025
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,800
And then we've got a one woman 
show from Lauren. 

1026
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:34,400
It's called Deal Breaker and she
essentially has creatively given

1027
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,920
her experience of what it's like
to live with her piece. 

1028
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:41,640
And then I'll host the 2:00-ish 
hour workshop giving people 

1029
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:45,600
private practice discussing 
sexual health and their herpes 

1030
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:48,440
status with a potential partner.
It's going to be a role play 

1031
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:51,960
where people can act. 
So if you are somebody who 

1032
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:54,640
enjoys that and you happen to be
in New York March 21st, which is

1033
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:57,720
a Saturday, let me know. 
The event is all day from 11:00 

1034
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:01,000
AM to 7:00 PM right now. 
We got a handful of people 

1035
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:02,920
coming. 
I think there might be 10 people

1036
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:07,520
so far. 
The event space can probably 

1037
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:11,320
hold about 80, so we'll see what
can happen here. 

1038
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:14,160
I'm putting this together by 
myself. 

1039
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:15,960
I'm not working with anybody on 
it. 

1040
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:21,080
I put the ad out I'm using the 
website there's been people I've

1041
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:23,640
never seen or heard of before 
who were registered for the 

1042
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:26,120
event. 
So I'm hyped to see that this is

1043
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:31,240
you know what's happening there 
are it's donation based so 

1044
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:33,360
there's options. 
I just want to cover the cost of

1045
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:35,680
the event space to be completely
honest. 

1046
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:39,920
So there's options on the 
website of how you can donate, 

1047
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:45,880
how much you can donate, but go 
to spfpp.org/expo and then 

1048
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:48,200
you'll see that there. 
So if this is something that 

1049
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:51,080
gets a reasonable turn out, this
might be something that we can 

1050
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:54,240
repeat on a consistent basis. 
I ain't going to say like a 

1051
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,640
monthly or anything, but I know 
that people are very much 

1052
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:01,920
craving more in person stuff. 
There's a lot of people who have

1053
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:06,000
been expressing interest who are
in New York, New Jersey. 

1054
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:09,960
So hopefully people show up 
because I think that's going to 

1055
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:11,160
be fun. 
I think it's going to be a real 

1056
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:16,240
fun event if people are willing 
to show up to it. 

1057
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:22,920
But yeah, I think that the 
expression of boundaries is 

1058
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:27,640
important to maintaining 
authenticity because the the 

1059
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:33,040
ultimate goal is peak evolution,
maximum efficiency and minimal 

1060
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:36,040
waste, right? 
Minimal waste, minimal effort. 

1061
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:39,720
And that's, that's how I'm 
choosing to live life moving 

1062
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:43,200
forward. 
And you know, it might not be as

1063
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:48,600
broad of a spectrum to get 
people to come into this space 

1064
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:52,600
or Myspace even, but I think 
that this will shape the quality

1065
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:56,880
of the people that come into the
space that I interact with and 

1066
01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:00,480
engage with more than anything 
else just by exerting, 

1067
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:04,000
exercising these boundaries and 
being able to honor those and 

1068
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:08,280
hold true to them. 
So yeah, thank you all for being

1069
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:10,400
part of this evolution over the 
years. 

1070
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:13,400
I'm really looking forward to 
how things are developing. 

1071
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:15,600
My chest just twitched. 
It was chest day. 

1072
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:18,160
That's why I thought my heart 
was beating fast again because I

1073
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:22,560
was scared of something. 
But yeah, I would like to know 

1074
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:25,359
what you think of this episode. 
Like, are people listening to 

1075
01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:27,040
this shit like what was 
happening? 

1076
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:31,800
Because yeah. 
And I, I think that continuing 

1077
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:37,240
to do the podcast gives me an 
incentive to keep the website 

1078
01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:39,640
relevant. 
And that's more valuable than 

1079
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:42,760
Instagram and TikTok are or have
been. 

1080
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:48,080
Like I can't tell you how many 
people have reached out to me 

1081
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:51,840
because of something that they 
saw on Instagram and decided to 

1082
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:55,160
get involved with the 
organization beyond the capacity

1083
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:58,279
of just reading something and 
moving on about their business. 

1084
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:01,399
The survey people aren't taking 
the survey. 

1085
01:09:01,399 --> 01:09:03,800
So that's starting to feel like 
a waste of time as well. 

1086
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:06,840
I mean, I, I ain't bitching. 
I, I do not want this to come 

1087
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:10,120
off as me bitching. 
This is me trimming the fat, 

1088
01:09:10,399 --> 01:09:13,240
cleaning up something positive 
for positive people so that this

1089
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:17,920
can be a much more smoothly run,
more efficient organization and 

1090
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:20,840
resource for people to be able 
to come get what they need and 

1091
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:25,680
then going about their business.
All right, so that concludes 

1092
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:28,399
this episode of Something 
Positive for Positive People. 

1093
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:33,600
I would like feedback if you 
have any because I didn't know 

1094
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:35,760
what y'all need. 
I mean, unless this is good, but

1095
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:40,640
I'm envisioning more just recaps
from things like support calls 

1096
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:44,240
anonymously of course, and 
takeaways from the support 

1097
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:47,680
groups just so that we have like
a consistent flow of content 

1098
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:49,520
without things getting 
repetitive really. 

1099
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:53,279
So let me know what y'all think 
about that and if you know, 

1100
01:09:53,279 --> 01:09:58,440
maybe you have a topic in mind 
that you want me to talk about, 

1101
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:00,560
reach out, let me know. 
Send that to me. 

1102
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:06,080
I'm happy to explore that. 
All right, till next time, stay 

1103
01:10:06,480 --> 01:10:07,160
present.
