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Hello and welcome to Something 
Positive for Positive People. 

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I'm Courtney Brain. 
Something Positive for Positive 

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People is a nonprofit 
organization supporting people 

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who are navigating herpes. 
We do this in a variety of ways.

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We offer one-on-one support 
cause not just for people with 

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herpes, but to people who might 
have recently been disclosed to 

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by a potential partner or loved 
one and they want to know how to

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be supportive or how to move 
forward with them. 

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I'm a yoga therapist in 
training. 

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I emphasize the in training, but
we also offer one-on-one yoga 

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therapy to give people an option
for how to not just navigate the

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stigma, but how to incorporate 
changes that align with wherever

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they are in life. 
I use the sciences of yoga 

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applied to the situations and 
challenges that someone who is 

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dealing with a herpes diagnosis 
might be facing. 

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For example, a lot of times 
people that I talk to 

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one-on-one, they want to work 
through stigma and there's not 

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much of anything that talks 
about how exactly to do that on 

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the Internet. 
And so utilizing yoga therapy, 

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which yoga has been really 
useful for me because I find 

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that what it has done is give me
what my baseline is and then be 

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able to use my stress, my 
external circumstances in order 

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to assess where I'm at 
internally going down to the 

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nervous system, right? 
So when we're having an 

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outbreak, for instance, there's 
probably a gentle whisper that 

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comes to us through the nervous 
system because herpes is a nerve

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condition and that's what a lot 
of people really don't 

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understand. 
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nervous system, you're dealing 
with the nerves, which might be 

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like the earliest sign of, hey, 
something's happening and then 

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you ignore that or you got a lot
of stress happening for you and 

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you're not paying attention to 
the nervous system. 

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So maybe now you got a little 
dis ease or discomfort and you 

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don't really know why. 
Maybe it manifests as anxiety or

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maybe it turns into what might 
feel like a potential outbreak 

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coming on and now you have more 
of a greater chance to pay 

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attention to it and then boom, 
outbreak, right. 

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So what I do is I teach people 
to get to their baseline and be 

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able to pay attention to that 
before it even gets to the point

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where a physical, physical 
symptoms present themselves. 

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So right now I'm working with 
1-2. 

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Damn, I got 5 clients. 6, I got 
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That's crazy. 
Wow. 

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All right, but I, I, I think I 
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We, we gonna cap it. 
I'm working with 12 people at a 

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time and I let everybody know, 
listen, if you work with me 

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after 12 weeks, it's because you
like me. 

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And maybe we just need to see 
each other once a month or every

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other week or something like 
that. 

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But yeah, I'm, there's an 
episode where I interviewed one 

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of my clients actually about 
what she's getting out of yoga 

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therapy. 
So this is something that you're

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curious about. 
You can type Yoga Therapy in the

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search box of the podcast tab of
SP fpp.org. 

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And then last thing we got, we 
got the support group some 

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there's a women's group, there's
a men's group that meets on 

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Monday. 
So the women's group is the 1st 

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and 3rd Monday, 7:30 PM Eastern 
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And then the men's group is the 
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virtually 7:30 PM Eastern Time 
for the ladies group. 

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The next one that we have is 
going to be this upcoming 

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Monday, November 3rd. 
I'm going to have a guest. 

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I'm going to have a guest come 
into the support group who she's

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going to share some of her 
personal experience with 

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successfully dating and entering
a relationship post herpes 

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diagnosis. 
I'm sure we'll get some 

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questions about rejection. 
We'll get questions about how to

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disclose and how that went for 
her. 

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But this is really your 
opportunity, though, for the 

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women's group to be able to talk
to a woman who has herpes and 

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just like somebody who has the 
experience and I guess the 

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outcome that a lot of women 
maybe want to have a lot of 

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women who are dating with herpes
who would like to just see what 

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is possible on the other end of 
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So I reached out to a few other 
women that I know who are in 

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relationships. 
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time or the only time that this 
happens, but it's something that

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I think will be useful. 
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y'all, So we've had two 
successful, 2 successful support

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groups the month of October. 
This is when I started this, 

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right? 
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great, consistent. 
The thing that came up there was

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just disclosures. 
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thought we did a really great 
job of defining what terms like 

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community support and stigma 
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foundation. 
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and then we 2 don't nobody show 
up and people RSVPD and I, I 

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sent down a follow up e-mail. 
I, I don't know what it is where

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the challenge of getting men to 
be consistent and support groups

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like most of the women who 
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showed up to the second one. 
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like maybe I'm not giving y'all 
what y'all need. 

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But The thing is this is being 
created like from scratch. 

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So I'm asking you all the 
questions and establishing the 

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foundation and the base of what 
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to be like. 
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me to Co create what that looks 
like just didn't show up for the

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second one. 
So it's like what I, I don't 

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even have the feedback on what 
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like why you ain't coming back. 
So I'm, I'm gonna keep showing 

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up like that's, that's all. 
That's what I'm gonna do. 

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My Monday is 7:30 PM Eastern 
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November 10th. 
We're going to move that support

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group to Thursday, November 6th 
at 7:30 PM Eastern Time. 

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I sent out the newsletter 
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November. 
So that is out there. 

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So if any men want to join for 
the first support group for them

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in the month of November, 
that'll be on November 6. 

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All right. 
Today's podcast episode is being

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recorded on Halloween, October 
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And I was reminded of where I 
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What was that? 
Four years ago? 

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I was 2025. 
Yeah, I was reminded where I was

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2021 on Halloween. 
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or Thursday. 
I just went out to, oh, actually

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I got a story. 
So I was supposed to be in 

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Houston, TX this weekend. 
I was excited for this. 

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I used to live in Houston and I 
got a couple of really good 

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friends out there that I'll play
the game with. 

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And that's kind of how we stay 
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And so we I've been making it a 
point to try and see them at 

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least twice a year. 
And so I was due for my second 

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time of year before one of my 
buddies goes out of the country 

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for a few weeks. 
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I packed, I had all my stuff, 
the weather was good. 

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I made my ride to the airport. 
I was nervous about that, but I 

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made it, got there on time, got 
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In fact, I got to go to the 
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'cause I got a new credit card 
for something positive, for 

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positive people that came with a
lot more like stuff that I would

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use since I travel so much for 
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And so I was able to go to the 
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I got in there, I did some work 
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like PowerPoint. 
So I got my PowerPoint done, not

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PowerPoint, but just slides. 
So I have a, a, a solid template

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to be able to just fill in for 
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going to be presenting on, which
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I went to my gate. 
I got there. 

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The A group was boarding. 
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in, I got a good seat. 
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middle and we back off from the 
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We back off from the gate on 
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the, the, the air traffic, which
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take off. 
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going to be about an hour and a 
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I was like, alright, cool. 
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I'm I'm scrolling Instagram, I'm
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you know, it is 2 1/2 hours and 
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going to refuel at the what's it
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We, we had the dock. 
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deplane and the last time I was 
told to deplane, we had a 7 hour

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flight delay. 
And so we deplane, we hanging 

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out and people are like lined up
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And I'm, I'm listening to the 
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And she's very cool, very calm. 
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And normally the last time that 
this happened, I got text 

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messages and updates about, you 
know, what was happening with 

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the plane. 
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lounge again. 
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there was a a wait. 
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They gave me a ticket to go to 
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So I'm chilling at the other 
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I get some food and then I get a
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lounge. 
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I get that text. 
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wanted to be at and I was just 
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time to leave. 
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check your boarding pass and the
boarding pass show that my 

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flight took off 2 minutes ago. 
And I was like, what 'cause I I 

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watched one episode of anime, 
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from the gate to the lounge or 
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lounge. 
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minutes, 30 to 40 minutes have 
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I've seen people walk away and 
then they were on the phone 

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talking about their work had 
booked their flight and they 

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don't have any information. 
So like I'm talking to people 

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and everything and all of a 
sudden, like the flight's just 

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boarded. 
The flight's boarded. 

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We were supposed to leave at 11.
The flight's boarded at three O 

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4. 
Now the flight didn't leave for 

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another two hours, but I didn't 
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So I get back to the gate and 
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I'm like, yo, what's going on? 
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already boarded and there there 
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anything. 
And so they called names and 

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they had like 20 people missing.
And so they called me and then I

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go up and everybody's always 
surprised that I'm Courtney 

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brain. 
They're looking for like a 5 

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foot white girl or something. 
And so I was like, hey, I'm 

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Courtney. 
And so she was going to print 

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out my boarding pass she's hand.
So I was like, hey, I don't want

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to go no more. 
And so she cancelled the flight 

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and told me to call customer 
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Now, there were a lot of things 
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It's just I didn't feel good 
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I know about the government 
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I know a lot of employees are 
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paid. 
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that part of it as well. 
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was, you know, looking at why we
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that it was because of the 
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I guess maybe the wind had shut 
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everybody was coming and going 
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weren't leaving. 
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weather was significantly worse 
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leave. 
And I get it, like traffic might

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have just like died down. 
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afternoon, maybe fewer planes 
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But I I got a wave of 
anxiousness man. 

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And that's that wave of 
anxiousness is the same wave 

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that told me I needed to get the
fuck out of the my my ex 

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girlfriend's apartment before 
that storm came. 

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And it's the same when they told
me I need to get the fuck out of

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or move my flight up from my, 
when I left from Saint Louis to 

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go out of town before the 
tornado had came and hit my 

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place. 
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similar wave of anxiousness that
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warning sign. 
Another time that I was, I won't

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say when this was, but I was out
with some friends that, you 

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know, and we're drinking and 
everything. 

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And, you know, some people were 
doing other things and I ended 

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up like having to switch cars 
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I, I didn't know. 
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riding, like, clearly he was not
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And we got over one of those 
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and he was swerving like a 
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the road. 
He was like talking to the girl 

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in the passenger seat. 
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I, I, I hate when I get like 
this, but I snapped. 

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I was like, yo, just pay 
attention to the road. 

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I don't think I said it like 
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he did. 
He paid attention to the road, 

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but he was still swerving and 
for where we were, I did last 

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thing I need. 
I got too much going for me 

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right now to go to jail to have 
any reason to be involved with 

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some fuck shit. 
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So I was like, hey, pull over at
this QuikTrip. 

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So I we pulled over at the 
QuikTrip. 

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I was like all right, y'all good
I'm an Uber home. 

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So I went in, got a hot dog, 
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inconvenient as fuck. 
But my anxiety that I have went 

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away and that combination of 
things where I listen to my 

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nervous system, I don't know 
what might have been avoided. 

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I don't know if anything was 
avoided. 

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But I know that the, the more 
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we get at it. 
And it was important for me to 

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honor that. 
It was important for me to 

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regardless of, you know, all 
right, that that 20-30 dollars 

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of an Uber ride, it was more 
important to me that I did that 

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than anything else. 
And everybody like they beat me 

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home. 
Everybody like, you know, gave 

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me shit for, you know, being 
paranoid or whatever. 

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But at the end of the day, like 
I respected myself for that 

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decision. 
And my friends were like, hey, 

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yeah, you got to trust your gut.
You know, I not know what, 

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right. 
Like I felt supported. 

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Like, you know, friends tease 
you get your shit, but also 

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like, I was supported in the 
decision that I made. 

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So I, I, I can't, I can't go 
against that anymore. 

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And I think that speaking more 
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it ain't just herpes and the 
possibility of an outbreak that 

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gives us these kind of signs. 
Like there is a fucking whole 

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undercurrent of things that 
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of us just ain't in tune with. 
And what I found is that yoga 

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and a lot of what I'm learning 
is I look at quantum physics and

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spirituality and make these 
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that, you know, the, the nervous
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whatever quantum physics stuff 
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And then everything that happens
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communication network. 
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sensations, the five senses, our
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breath and how we breathe, our 
organ function and what happens 

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within the body, digestion. 
All of this is a just another 

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way for the soul to communicate.
And the spiritual significance 

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of herpes is by far the most 
downloaded podcast episode. 

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And I think that what happens is
when we hit that, that struggle,

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that suffering, whatever we want
to call it when we get this 

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herpes diagnosis and we, we, we 
see the things that we have to 

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deal with a lot of times, that 
tragedy, that trauma, it makes 

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us look to spirituality. 
It makes us look within. 

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Because the thing about herpes 
is, ain't no answers out there 

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that we want. 
People look for a cure. 

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There is no cure. 
People look for. 

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How do I prevent a partner from 
getting this? 

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There is no way of preventing 
your partner from getting this 

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from you. 
And I use the analogy and you 

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know, I'm beating this thing 
into the ground, but our bodies 

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host a lot of viruses, bacteria,
fungi, parasites, and it manages

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it right? 
Like we're, we're collections of

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collections of things that are 
coexisting. 

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And when we have excess of any 
of these, that's where we need 

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to address it. 
The inflammations, the, the 

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infections, the, the, the 
disease, the symptoms and all of

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that, right? 
That's when things have gotten 

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quote out of hand and we live in
a world where we are pulled in 

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so many directions and our 
stress isn't limited to just our

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internal world For us to be 
connected to it and go, oh, OK, 

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this relationship is actually 
doing me more harm than good. 

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Oh, the amount of time that I 
put into this activity needs to 

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be dialed back a lot. 
Or that thing that I got going 

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on that I used to really find a 
lot of joy from it. 

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It's not bringing me joy 
anymore. 

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And so looking at those things 
regularly require stillness. 

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Now when we work in the world 
where a lot of people, you know,

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these people ain't getting paid.
These people are working and not

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being paid. 
Granted they're supposed to get 

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their back pay, but like, 
imagine having to show up for 

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work and it's work. 
And the one thing you get out of

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your job? 
Is your money to be able to do 

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the things that you enjoy, you 
show up to work and then you 

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just don't get paid and you you 
do that like where where's the 

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line At what point are you going
to focus on maintaining what you

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have right? 
Like I talked to someone last 

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night and she's a government 
employee and I asked her what's 

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happening? 
Like what are you doing? 

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How do you how do you get by? 
She's like personal loans, she 

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said, deferring everything. 
And like eating up savings. 

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Well, she ain't say eating up 
savings what I'm assuming 

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because she ain't getting paid 
like that's that's and that's 

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assuming that she got a savings.
A lot of people ain't got that. 

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And the going back to look at 
me, I was going to just forget 

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about what I was talking about 
originally. 

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But our body. 
Hosts all of these things, 

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right? 
And it's not just the physical 

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things that we host, right? 
We energetically hold a lot, we 

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emotionally hold a lot. 
We always, you know, considering

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and thinking about other people 
as well and the other places 

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that we got to be the identities
that we have and the mask that 

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we need to wear a lot of the 
times. 

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And so our bodies are these 
apartment complexes that your 

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tenants need to be taken care of
You, the you, the 

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Superintendent, you, the 
landlord. 

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And when you have a tenant that 
let's let's say herpes is a 

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tenant, it's in one of the units
and the air conditioner goes out

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and then it's hot outside. 
First you get the message, hey, 

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our air conditioners out in unit
whatever and then your. 

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Responsibility is to fix that. 
And let's say you're too busy or

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you're, you're just not you, 
you, you getting your rent paid 

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every month from the tenants and
you just going out and you 

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chilling, you drinking, you 
partying, you having a good 

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time, but you're not taking care
of the responsibility that is 

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the apartment complex that you, 
you manage your body. 

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And so herpes, that tenant is 
like, all right, you know, our 

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air conditioner ain't getting 
fixed. 

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It's hot. 
We're not being cared for. 

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Let's go to the leasing office. 
Herpes goes to the leasing 

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office, maybe knocks on the 
door. 

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Ain't nobody there. 
They leave when a letter. 

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And then before you know it, too
much time pass and rent ain't 

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getting paid because herpes is 
now looking for a new place to 

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live. 
And now it goes from the nerves 

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through the nervous system, or 
I'm sorry, from the nervous 

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system and through the nerves. 
And then it begins to travel 

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through the body. 
You may miss the signal of it 

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traveling because you're so 
disconnected from your body. 

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And then before you know it, 
that mug is on your skin. 

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And it's like, all right, this 
is your last chance. 

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You need to fix this air 
conditioner. 

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And this is where we get the the
shedding that typically takes 

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place before an outbreak 
happens, like the noticeable 

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shedding where you feel that 
sensation coming along and then 

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you ignore it even more and then
bam, now we. 

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Got an outbreak? 
And you can't ignore it. 

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And this is just herpes looking 
for a new home. 

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It's fine when you are taking 
care of yourself. 

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It's not fine when you are not 
taking. 

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Care of yourself. 
And, you know, I, I always think

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go back and I always go back and
forth about, you know, where, 

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whether or not I was aligned in 
places that I was when I was 

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living in Saint Louis, when I 
was living in New Jersey, when I

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was living in Portland and I 
wasn't getting outbreaks. 

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And I, I, I, I don't regret any 
of those moves. 

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I don't regret any of those 
decisions because it was still 

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aligned for me to go through 
what it was that I went through 

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in order for me to have the 
experiences that I needed to 

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have, perhaps to be able to 
speak to and perhaps to be able 

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to become more related to 
people. 

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To have a failed, you know, 
relocation, a failed 

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relationship, a failed 
relocation again, a failed. 

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Like having a plan for being 
home again. 

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And that wasn't supposed to be 
what my story was for me going 

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back home and making that 
effort. 

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That was a part of the story, 
but it wasn't the story. 

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And I find a lot of I find a lot
of peace in that. 

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I find a lot of peace in like 
looking back and being able to 

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say, you know, even from four 
years ago, because what's the 

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beautiful thing about this is it
was October 30th in 2021, I want

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to say, and I was wearing my 
Adventure Time costume and last 

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night I wore my Adventure Time 
costume. 

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I was fan and I had a, a ugly, a
ugly breakup, an ugly 

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relationship. 
And, and this was with someone 

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who we were non monogamous and 
there was a lot of like issues 

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that she had with me personally 
that I knew about and that she 

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told me about. 
But these were things that 

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because they were mentioned, it 
was like, OK, great, it's on the

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table. 
We, we deal with this, right. 

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And there were issues that I had
with her and like her 

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relationships. 
And it was like, OK, this is on 

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the table. 
We both know we're we're going 

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to deal with it and. 
All of that. 

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Ended up I, I, I don't really 
know how to describe how he got 

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there, but what was expressed to
me was like my happiness being 

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an issue. 
Like Courtney, you, you do what 

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you, you found a thing that you 
love, that you do, that you're 

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supposed to be doing. 
I haven't found that I'm jealous

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of you. 
And it was my like, big Hey, I'm

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jealous of you, my partner, my 
boyfriend, like we supposed to 

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be, you know, we in a 
relationship working towards 

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whatever long term, you know, 
looks like. 

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And that even just saying that 
now, man, like I'm going to tell

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you how this don't be in a 
relationship with somebody who's

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jealous of you, because I think 
that vocabulary, language, and 

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all of that is so it's, it's 
different across the spectrum. 

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It's very subjective, right? 
Because to me, my experience 

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with jealousy has been, oh, that
person is doing something that I

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wish I could do. 
Let me get better so that I can 

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also do that thing. 
It's there's a hint of 

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inspiration underneath of 
jealousy, or there can be a hint

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of, I don't know. 
I I, I, I can't really say what 

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it is, but whenever I've been 
jealous of somebody, I just made

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changes. 
I've never just been jealous of 

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somebody and then just been 
jealous, right. 

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Like if there was a time where I
was fucking jealous of like 

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light skinned dudes because 
they, they seem they got all the

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girls in in school. 
There was a time that I was 

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jealous of light skinned dudes 
and all. 

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I've been dark my whole life. 
I can't remember when I wasn't, 

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I can't remember the time where 
I wasn't dark. 

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And in those instances, right, 
like, all right, well, shit, 

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what is it about? 
I'm I got curious. 

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So like some of my friends were 
like in Devon. 

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Devon, one of my best friends, 
he'd been light skinned his 

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whole life. 
Nick, you know, RIP, you know, 

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these were friends of mine who 
were light skinned and like we 

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got cool and it was never 
anything against any of them. 

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Like I never sought to make them
dark skinned or make them not 

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what they were. 
I wanted to understand them. 

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And that's been my relationship 
with jealousy. 

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But I understand everybody ain't
got that path. 

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Everybody ain't got that playing
sports, right? 

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Like, different people in 
different positions. 

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Just, man, I'm jealous of how 
good you are. 

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Let me get better. 
I'm jealous of you for starting.

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00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,360
Let me get better so I can 
start. 

447
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,680
Jealousy for me has always been 
a notification bell. 

448
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,360
Dean. 
All right, You know, this 

449
00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:09,640
person's good at something. 
What can I learn from them? 

450
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:17,280
And it sparked my curiosity, but
in relationships like, I guess I

451
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,560
just thought that like, and this
is some my own like naivete. 

452
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,960
I run a nonprofit called 
something positive for positive 

453
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:33,320
people. 
And this is the most negative 

454
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,840
circumstance, at least that I 
know of that exists. 

455
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,880
Don't nobody want herpes. 
Don't nobody want to be here. 

456
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:45,440
But as I said before, right, 
Like we transmute trauma and 

457
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:54,360
herpes and stigma into healing. 
We transmute all that shit into 

458
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,560
healing. 
Anything that comes your way 

459
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,320
negatively, right? 
Like negative. 

460
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,800
Negative ain't bad. 
I don't know where that shit 

461
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:09,080
started from. 
Negative is means absent, 

462
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,320
positive means present. 
There's a presence. 

463
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,080
And when we get to the point of 
like good and evil, no, it's 

464
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,920
useful. 
And then it's maybe useful. 

465
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:28,560
It's just by default not useful 
because it has an absent charge.

466
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,680
But what happens when you give 
presents to that, which is, 

467
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,040
excuse me, what happens when you
give presents and attention to 

468
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,720
that, which is use? 
I don't want to call it useless,

469
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,840
but like, it's infinite 
potential. 

470
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,720
Negativity is infinite 
potential. 

471
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:51,800
You can, you can flip a negative
into any fucking thing you want.

472
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,320
I managed to flip someone 
literally telling me, Courtney, 

473
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,960
you are, I'm jealous of you. 
Somebody told me that and then 

474
00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:02,880
told me why. 
And I was able to be like, oh, 

475
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,680
great. 
So you're inspired and you're 

476
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,240
going to do, you're going to do 
better. 

477
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,720
You're going to find what it is 
that you want to be doing for 

478
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:13,320
yourself. 
Nope. 

479
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,200
So I was reminded that some a a 
friend of mine, she sent me a 

480
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,920
selfie from that that time. 
And I remember going, Oh, I 

481
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,640
remember this day because we had
a massive fall, like publicly 

482
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:31,520
massive falling out. 
Man, that, that shit was wild. 

483
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:38,480
And yeah, I, I just, I'm glad 
that I can laugh about it now 

484
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,560
because at the time I was 
furious, man. 

485
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:41,960
I was sad. 
I cried. 

486
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,480
I still got the voice recording.
I left myself to make sure I 

487
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,000
ain't go back to that 
relationship. 

488
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,560
I had the voice recording. 
I recorded. 

489
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,640
I was like, all right, here's 
what just happened. 

490
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:56,080
I will never forget this. 
And she did my ass dirty. 

491
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:03,720
And then the next day I moved to
Portland, OR and my life just 

492
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:08,600
just changed. 
And I just, I noticed like 

493
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,920
patterns there. 
There's been patterns for me in 

494
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:18,560
those relationships that, you 
know, I wanted to, I wanted to 

495
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,840
make this podcast episode, you 
know, focus of dealing with 

496
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:26,640
rejection. 
And I think that that particular

497
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:35,320
story of jealousy specifically 
is important because that is, to

498
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,240
me at least, a form of rejection
in my experience. 

499
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,200
And I got to stop looking at 
shit from such a naive 

500
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,600
perspective. 
I will take whatever is given to

501
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:50,360
me and make it useful and take 
the positive and then, you know,

502
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,320
put the presence into the 
negativity of the infinite 

503
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,720
potential to make it something 
positive. 

504
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,040
You can do that idealistically. 
You can do that with energy, 

505
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,040
like energy can't be created nor
destroyed. 

506
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:10,080
But what happens is I believe 
that the quality of presence, 

507
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,840
the quality and the intensity of
emotion that we give to a thing,

508
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,880
our passion, right? 
What we pour into a thing makes 

509
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:24,280
it manifest and take form. 
That form that it takes then 

510
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,520
becomes a shell. 
It becomes a solidified, you 

511
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,720
know, a person in our life. 
It may become an activity, it 

512
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,160
might become a fucking business.
It might become a something 

513
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,000
positive for positive people. 
You know what this had to 

514
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,200
become? 
This ain't just me, y'all. 

515
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,040
This ain't just me. 
This ain't just the energetic 

516
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,800
intensity and emotion from 
Courtney that made a whole 

517
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,560
fucking nonprofit organization 
and platform the podcast. 

518
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,680
Yes, I love getting to interview
people. 

519
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,120
I love getting to talk to people
of all different kinds of walks 

520
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,880
of life to learn from them. 
Like, all right, how have you 

521
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,160
navigated this? 
Because that gives me more 

522
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:07,720
perspective to draw from and 
more of the infinite potential 

523
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,400
for me to be able to put myself 
in in the shoes of another 

524
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,400
person and empathize and be able
to pour myself into that. 

525
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,480
OK, what's the what's the good 
out of this? 

526
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,080
And this helps me with asking 
the questions. 

527
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,800
It helps me with listening. 
It helps me with being a great 

528
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,080
person for that, that I wouldn't
need it when I was diagnosed 

529
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,920
with herpes. 
That's helpful. 

530
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,280
And that's my thing. 
That's my, I ain't going to say 

531
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,840
my superpower necessarily, but 
it it listening is a superpower.

532
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,800
It's damn sure a gift, 
especially in a time where 

533
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,880
people's attention again, it's 
just so scattered and all over 

534
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,280
the place and people are 
disconnected from their nervous 

535
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,760
system. 
So when I think about being in a

536
00:33:55,760 --> 00:34:00,360
relationship with somebody who 
says I'm jealous of you, like 

537
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,040
she said it, but I look back, 
how many relationships have I 

538
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:08,199
been in where that may have been
the case and they just didn't 

539
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:11,280
say it like that wasn't the 
language that was used. 

540
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:23,320
Courtney, I'm jealous of you. 
And it's not exclusively 

541
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:29,800
rejection or a fear of rejection
or an avoidance of rejection. 

542
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,480
It can be an obliviousness to 
rejection. 

543
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:40,000
It can be a self rejection. 
You can be so adamant about 

544
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:45,040
making a relationship work. 
You can be so adamant about 

545
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:49,159
making a job work. 
You can be so adamant about 

546
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,679
your, your place in a friend 
group or a community and making 

547
00:34:52,679 --> 00:35:01,160
that work and just dismiss the 
rejections that are there 

548
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,120
because it'll happen again and 
again and again. 

549
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,680
And one of the things that I 
wrote down in my notes to talk 

550
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:15,600
about is like what you do being 
more important than who you are 

551
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,040
in some cases, like how identity
politics play a role. 

552
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,920
Like I'll give this example. 
At the end of the day, I'm a 

553
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,400
black man and there's, there's a
word for what black men are. 

554
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,360
And I've been in a lot of queer 
spaces. 

555
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,840
I've been in a lot of women 
dominated spaces. 

556
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,840
And over the years, like I've 
always been reminded in some 

557
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:40,600
form or fashion that I'm a man. 
You know, whether that be how 

558
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:51,560
people talk about men in these 
spaces, whether that be how I 

559
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,520
remember. 
I just remembered a thing. 

560
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:58,880
I was invited to something. 
It was, it was a handful of, I 

561
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,920
hate that I'm about to say this.
It was a handful of lesbian 

562
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,520
women or queer women. 
And then it was me. 

563
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,720
And like, I had a friend there. 
I was like, hey, I don't know if

564
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:08,760
I should go to this. 
She's like, no, what do you 

565
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,000
mean? 
Like it would really mean a lot 

566
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,800
to me if you would go. 
I was like, all right, that's my

567
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,440
friend talking back. 
I go to this. 

568
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,520
And there were a series of 
events that happened while I was

569
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:23,760
there that felt like rejections.
But because I went and I knew I 

570
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,680
shouldn't have, this is another 
one of those signs where like my

571
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,320
nervous system was like, Hey, 
you probably shouldn't do this. 

572
00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:32,200
And I didn't listen. 
I I should have trusted it and 

573
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,920
dealt with the consequences of 
not going there because now, 

574
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,960
like I don't have that friend 
anymore. 

575
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,720
But going to this thing there 
was, you know, the one thing 

576
00:36:41,720 --> 00:36:43,960
that I would say that happened 
was, you know, I'm, I'm giving 

577
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,960
to the group as best I can, 
playing the games. 

578
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:51,960
I'm, you know, buying the foods 
on my card and like trusting 

579
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,840
that people don't give me the 
money back, making things easy. 

580
00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:59,320
And I remember, you know, one of
the nights there, I went out. 

581
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:00,920
I was like, hey, anybody wanna 
go to the hot tub? 

582
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,960
Anybody go to the hot tub? 
I go to the hot tub. 

583
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,240
I'm in the hot tub for a solid 
45 minutes to an hour. 

584
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,800
I get out, I hop in the shower, 
I'm done showering. 

585
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,400
I'm drying off. 
And I hear a lot of giggling and

586
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,560
stuff from the hot tub. 
I look outside and everybody's 

587
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:21,280
in the hot tub. 
And I was just like, wow, that's

588
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,360
interesting. 
And so I just was like, you know

589
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:25,760
what, fuck this, I'm going to go
to sleep. 

590
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,480
And was like, maybe it's just a 
coincidence, right? 

591
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,680
You try and take the positive 
out of things. 

592
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,760
But what, what, what positive is
it in that? 

593
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:41,200
Like, here's what happened. 
I invited everybody, Hey, I'm 

594
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,040
going to the hot tub. 
I go to the hot tub. 

595
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,120
I'm in there for 45 minutes to 
an hour. 

596
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,400
I leave, I start showering as 
I'm drying off, everybody's in 

597
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,080
the hot tub. 
And that, that, that sums up 

598
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:57,280
like how the weekend went. 
And I shouldn't have been there.

599
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,080
And I think, you know, the body 
keeps the score, right? 

600
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,120
It ain't just the body, it's the
nervous system. 

601
00:38:03,720 --> 00:38:06,560
You know, the body will, you 
know, get to a point where 

602
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:12,040
sometimes the body be too late. 
The body might be too late. 

603
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,000
And the nervous system can only,
you know, communicate so much. 

604
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,160
It's a whisper. 
If you ain't in tune with it, if

605
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,000
you ain't connected to it, you 
going to miss shit? 

606
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:31,280
And you know my my ex telling 
me, hey Courtney, I'm jealous of

607
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:36,200
you. 
That ain't the only form of 

608
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:41,040
rejection that came, I'm sure. 
Like looking back, there were 

609
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:47,720
many points where it was almost 
like I can't be as good as you 

610
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:51,000
so I need to make you worse than
me. 

611
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,120
And I never looked at jealousy 
like that. 

612
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,240
And I know we got different 
words, jealousy and envy, right?

613
00:39:01,240 --> 00:39:06,000
But the words, the words are the
words I'm just describing like 

614
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:10,000
the, the, the actions and 
everything that's behind it. 

615
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,200
And these were the words that 
were given to me. 

616
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,320
And then even in my most recent 
relationship, right? 

617
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,400
Like this, this person told me I
struggle with jealousy. 

618
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:27,560
And while it was never overtly 
said like I was in hindsight now

619
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,440
right here, like I again, I've 
been in therapy sometimes twice 

620
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,400
a week talking about these 
things. 

621
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,360
And the only people who ever 
know everything that happened in

622
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,600
their relationship are my 
therapist and then one of my 

623
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,920
good friends who he was 
happening to go through 

624
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,120
something similar. 
Just because I don't want, I 

625
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:49,040
don't want to, you know, talk 
bad about nobody, even if that 

626
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,600
means that like whatever's been 
said about me has had the 

627
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,040
impacts that it's had. 
Because like I said before, 

628
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,040
people have noticeably treated 
me differently. 

629
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,240
And all I can do is just look 
at, I look at the information 

630
00:40:01,240 --> 00:40:04,440
that I got. 
I can't sit here and be naive to

631
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:11,800
the fact that, you know, I just 
because I respect or have 

632
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:16,040
respect and reverence for, you 
know, people and what they got 

633
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,480
going on, that don't mean the 
same thing for me. 

634
00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:24,920
And people that you know, I 
thought were friends, they might

635
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,440
not they, they everybody ain't 
my friend. 

636
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:36,880
And I had to learn that and 
listening to the nervous system 

637
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,320
and I had to learn that every 
time I don't listen to my 

638
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,120
nervous system, I'm rejecting 
myself. 

639
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,280
And I'm, I'm, I'm happy. 
I'm, I'm feeling good. 

640
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,120
Like regardless of how I sound 
like it's about to be 6:00 AM or

641
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,400
a little bit after 6:00 AM right
now and I got my little sleepy 

642
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,600
voice on and whatnot, but I'm, 
I'm actually happy. 

643
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:08,600
And it feels so fucking 
uncomfortable for me to be happy

644
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:16,840
because it feels so lonely and 
isolating because everybody 

645
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:23,480
ain't happy. 
And we live in a time where it 

646
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,160
it's so easy to find shit to be 
pissed off about. 

647
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:32,560
It's so easy to give your joy 
away and subscribe to things 

648
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,160
that don't bring you joy. 
I went to a Brandon Kyle 

649
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:41,440
Goodman's whole church whole 
spell HEAUX with a friend of 

650
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,680
mine and well shit I guess at 
the time 2 friends of mine. 

651
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:53,160
And it was at this whole church 
where I got to say something out

652
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,640
loud for the first time in a 
room full of people that I ain't

653
00:41:55,640 --> 00:42:00,800
never said before. 
So Brandon Kyle Goodman is I 

654
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:06,840
guess sex educator and they're 
non binary and black and it 

655
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,120
looked like me look like a black
man. 

656
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:19,560
And the exercise that they did 
was they had everybody or they 

657
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,520
offered the opportunity for 
people to raise their hand and 

658
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,520
just say out loud something that
they're, they've experienced 

659
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:31,920
shame with. 
And the reoccurring thing for me

660
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:40,680
is experiencing shame around how
happy I am, my happiness, my joy

661
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:54,040
in life because everybody ain't.
And I'm around a lot of negative

662
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:58,360
people, but negative isn't bad. 
Negative just means infinite 

663
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:04,000
potential. 
And you can't, you can't pull 

664
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,480
potential out of people. 
It's just something that you got

665
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,520
to be yourself and inspire from 
people. 

666
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,520
And then that inspiration, while
my intention might be 

667
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:16,480
inspiration, what somebody else 
can be receiving might be 

668
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,240
jealousy. 
It can't can it can trigger 

669
00:43:19,240 --> 00:43:21,320
them. 
My happiness shouldn't trigger 

670
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:26,800
anybody. 
And I think it did several 

671
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,960
times. 
And when that happens, what do I

672
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,880
do? 
Damn the light? 

673
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:37,040
Try and make the other person 
happy, therefore making myself 

674
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:43,760
miserable and therefore showing 
them how unhappy they are and 

675
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,800
making them more miserable. 
And then we in this like misery 

676
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:52,920
cycle. 
But I will say, man, being in 

677
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:57,440
yoga therapy training, being 
involved in some type of a 

678
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,320
consistent yoga practice and 
learning. 

679
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,280
Shout out the yoga buzz. 
Shout out to all my teachers 

680
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,040
that I've had. 
Shout out the Inner Peace yoga 

681
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:12,080
therapy because I think that 
these things kept me, kept 

682
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:17,040
reminding me, kept reminding me.
Stop, be still, breathe, check 

683
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,840
in with your nervous system, 
move your body, observe your 

684
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:27,240
thoughts, meditate. 
And it was all of these that 

685
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,160
allow for me to catch the 
baseline of where my stress is. 

686
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,240
And I'm a happy person. 
I am a positive person. 

687
00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:35,200
I am a present person. 
I got to practice this shit 

688
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:41,360
every day of my life because 
that's a choice. 

689
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,360
I choose to. 
I choose to be present. 

690
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,600
I choose to stay positive. 
I choose to take the negative 

691
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,960
and not disregarded or be like, 
Oh no, I know, ain't no place 

692
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:56,080
for this. 
I choose to give presents to it 

693
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:04,480
and interrogate it with 
curiosity and kindness, even at 

694
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,000
the expense of rejecting myself.
But when I recognize that that's

695
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:12,760
what was happening, can't get so
sucked into it, I got to 

696
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,480
remember my happiness. 
The same thing that brings 

697
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,000
people in, it makes people want 
to be here and it makes people, 

698
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,600
you know, want to be in the 
space should never be. 

699
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:26,480
The same thing that makes 
people, you know, jealous or 

700
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:31,960
envious or or hateful in a way 
that it's like I need to make 

701
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:36,880
you worse 'cause that's what 
jealousy does. 

702
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:46,000
But also what jealousy was for 
me was inspiring. 

703
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:53,640
I ain't never tore nobody down. 
And you know, you got to ask 

704
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:58,280
yourself. 
Because our inner world is the 

705
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,880
projection, the projector for 
what's happening around us. 

706
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,000
So I look at, you know, applying
for grant applications and how 

707
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,520
often I get rejected. 
I, I ain't got a grant yet. 

708
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,920
The, the first thing I moved out
to Portland, OR for I thought 

709
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,480
was a grant that was a 
sponsorship. 

710
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,320
They liked what I was doing and 
they were able to just give me 

711
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:24,960
$10,000. 
The, the, the big donations that

712
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,800
I got, I thought those were 
grants. 

713
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:31,040
Those just came from people, 
organizations that got money. 

714
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:32,880
These were just fat ass 
donations. 

715
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:40,240
That's crazy to think about. 
It's it's crazy to say out loud,

716
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:45,480
but in eight years of running 
something positive for positive 

717
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:52,960
people, somehow, I don't know 
how, but it's just, I guess 

718
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,760
this, this trust. 
Maybe it's my naivete or maybe 

719
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,240
it's my consistently with 
consistency with turning 

720
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,640
negatives into positives. 
But along the way, like somehow 

721
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,560
we've been able to keep doing 
this shit somehow. 

722
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,440
You know, when I need podcast 
guests, they come out the blue. 

723
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:15,240
When I need something to talk 
about, I'm able to just turn 

724
00:47:15,240 --> 00:47:17,560
this motherfucking mic on and I 
just start saying shit. 

725
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:23,480
And the however many y'all, I 
think the average is like 110 

726
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:28,560
people on Spotify per episode. 
However many y'all listening, if

727
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,200
y'all come check in once and 
never heard back from y'all 

728
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,560
again, that means you getting 
what you need. 

729
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,960
For those who stick around, that
mean you're getting what you 

730
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,000
need. 
I'm I'm done, I'm done rejecting

731
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,040
myself. 
I'm done trying to control shit 

732
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:47,520
and I'm also done like welcoming
in, you know, for too long. 

733
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:52,800
Like I everybody can come here, 
anybody can come in, anybody can

734
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,720
come in. 
I'll talk to anybody, but 

735
00:47:56,720 --> 00:48:01,000
everybody can't stay and then 
everybody can't stay. 

736
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:05,720
That's not me being mean, but 
like this is something I learned

737
00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:08,400
from my last relationship well 
after the breakup. 

738
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,720
Something I learned is like I am
open about my life. 

739
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:19,800
I am vulnerable to somebody 
presenting themselves as 

740
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,560
perfectly aligned with me and 
then not being that. 

741
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,480
And I'm not an asshole for 
stepping away. 

742
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:32,280
I can't stay in relationships 
because, you know, if I need 

743
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,920
space and somebody has 
abandonment issues or ain't 

744
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,520
anxious and it's like I need, I 
need closeness when I need 

745
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,480
space. 
Like we got to prioritize what 

746
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,720
it is that we need. 
However, we need to get that. 

747
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,440
And that same thing goes for not
just your romantic platonic 

748
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,760
relationships, but it also goes 
with things. 

749
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:57,600
You know, I maybe sometimes need
space away from, well, I don't 

750
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:04,160
need no space away from my job. 
I need that money, but I had to 

751
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,880
take space away from grant 
applications and decided like, 

752
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,040
that's not what I'm doing. 
Even Instagram social media, 

753
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,960
like trying to make content that
people will see related to 

754
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,480
herpes education, that shit was 
draining. 

755
00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:22,880
I never knew how draining that 
was for me until I started to 

756
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:27,640
invest the money, energy, 
attention, and time that I would

757
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:34,000
normally put into Instagram, and
I put that into the website. 

758
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,400
I invested. 
I invested in something that I 

759
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,560
believed in. 
And going back to the thing 

760
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,560
about energy, right, what they 
say in Full Metal Alchemist, 

761
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,040
they speak about the law of 
equivalent exchange. 

762
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:53,960
For anything to be obtained, 
something of equal or greater 

763
00:49:53,960 --> 00:50:01,760
value has to be exchanged. 
You got to give up something and

764
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:06,160
life, man, this is just a whole 
thing of catch and or attach and

765
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,560
release. 
Attach and release because what 

766
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:13,240
we energetically pour into takes
form and we form an attachment 

767
00:50:13,240 --> 00:50:17,960
to it and we got to release that
shit like I the day that 

768
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,200
something positive for positive 
people is no longer needed for 

769
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,720
what I've invested into this 
mother fucker over the last 

770
00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:28,040
eight years. 
Whatever the energy build up 

771
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:33,480
that releases from me releasing 
my attachment and the format 

772
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,880
this is in, whatever that ends 
up looking like. 

773
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:37,400
Let's say they cure herpes 
tomorrow. 

774
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,880
I can't wait to see what I make 
out of this because I got so 

775
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,040
much faith in it. 
There's so much faith, and the 

776
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,840
intensity of emotion that is 
invested in it is the same thing

777
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:55,760
with my last relationship. 
I poured everything I had into 

778
00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:00,520
that relationship and it took 
form. 

779
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:07,840
It took form, you know, and 
somebody that was going to give 

780
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:13,880
me everything that I wanted. 
And then that relationship ended

781
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,920
and the form wasn't there 
anymore. 

782
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:23,800
Like her body, her mind, her 
energy, her spirit, like that's,

783
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:28,560
that's removed from my orbit. 
But that energy isn't. 

784
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:30,560
Yeah, she ain't take that with 
her. 

785
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:35,760
That's mine, you know, and I 
don't even like to call it mine,

786
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:40,080
but it's been stored. 
The investment there when it 

787
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:44,880
freed up, right. 
Like I got, I got like 18 grand 

788
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:50,400
from losing my apartment in the 
tornado. 

789
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,480
And I think that, you know, it 
might have been about that for 

790
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:58,080
my whole moving to New Jersey, 
moving away from New Jersey, 

791
00:51:58,080 --> 00:51:59,800
moving while I was in New 
Jersey. 

792
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:08,280
You know, when that, when, when 
that form released, what came 

793
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,160
from the form was still there 
and they needed to go somewhere 

794
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:16,560
else. 
So there was the money, you 

795
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:20,080
know, the, the move across the 
country. 

796
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,000
I was like, all right, Courtney,
now you can move to New York. 

797
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:27,080
You can move to Brooklyn now. 
And now you can you, you can 

798
00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:32,760
have your identity as a 
polyamorous black man, a little 

799
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:36,320
too polyamorous black man. 
I don't know that this would 

800
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,640
have been available to me 
sooner. 

801
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,840
Now you can do the work that 
you're supposed to do. 

802
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,200
Now you can focus on your yoga 
therapy training. 

803
00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:54,840
Now you got the attention, now 
you can focus on your own 

804
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,720
emotions and how you feel to get
to your baseline because you 

805
00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:00,800
tried for so long to do that for
somebody else. 

806
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:11,680
And the the shell that I was 
able to feel that energy with 

807
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,520
because we're just moving. 
It can't be created nor 

808
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:18,520
destroyed. 
But what we give value to, like 

809
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:23,320
the value that we give to 
someone, something is a direct 

810
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,560
response to our emotions, 
whether those emotions are 

811
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,760
positive or negative. 
It's our presence. 

812
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,600
How much presence do we give to 
a thing? 

813
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,600
Avoidance is also presence. 
Because think about it like how 

814
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:38,480
often we avoid death and we 
avoid people. 

815
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,920
We avoid discomfort. 
But yeah, we still see that 

816
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,440
shit. 
But what happens when we 

817
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:49,040
release, when we remove the 
shell of that which we've poured

818
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:53,440
the emotion of fear into what 
they saying out waiting the 

819
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,240
devil? 
He said if people only knew that

820
00:53:56,240 --> 00:54:03,320
that which they feared if 
converted to shit. 

821
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:07,440
What did he say if if what we 
were afraid of if we began to 

822
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,880
like. 
Here's my analogy. 

823
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,600
I don't know exactly what he 
said, but you know, when you get

824
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:17,040
excited about something, that 
feeling in your gut, or, you 

825
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,080
know, when you're scared 
shitless or something, that 

826
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,040
feeling in your gut is the same 
feeling. 

827
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:26,680
We assign a narrative to it. 
We give it a story. 

828
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:32,040
And when we are afraid of 
something, that's just that 

829
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:35,720
excitement bubbling up. 
What if we were like, huh, you 

830
00:54:35,720 --> 00:54:37,440
know, it's kind of a being 
afraid of this. 

831
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,680
Here's how. 
Here's the story I'm gonna tell.

832
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,440
No, it's shit to be afraid of. 
Don't get me wrong, you won't 

833
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,520
see me fucking around with no, 
no poisonous snakes and holding 

834
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:47,920
them and playing with them and 
shit. 

835
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,360
You will not see me do that. 
That is a healthy fear. 

836
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:59,920
But the fear of being alone, 
like I, I've embraced that. 

837
00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:02,160
Like I'm happy. 
And if I'm going to be alone 

838
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:06,160
because I'm happy, because other
people don't like my happiness 

839
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:12,440
or are triggered by it, then 
I'll be alone. 

840
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:14,640
Like that don't scare me 
anymore. 

841
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,880
And ever since releasing that, 
like, it's like I removed the 

842
00:55:19,240 --> 00:55:22,400
the cap. 
The cap just removed itself 

843
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,320
because I wasn't subscribing to 
that belief. 

844
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:28,600
I don't have an identity around 
a fearful person of being alone.

845
00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:38,520
Now that energy's freed up to 
make sure I'm not alone in any 

846
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:43,400
way. 
But that shit can't be there if 

847
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:49,920
I keep rejecting myself. 
It can't be there if I reject 

848
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,320
who I really AM. 
And that's where, you know, 

849
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,120
identity comes in. 
I mentioned earlier, you know, 

850
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,680
at what point does identity 
politics play a role in things? 

851
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:02,160
At the end of the day, like I 
am, I'm a black man. 

852
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,040
I'm not queer. 
And I've been in a lot of spaces

853
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,000
where it ain't men or a lot of 
men. 

854
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:13,640
And the men that are there might
be trans men or they're queer 

855
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:17,160
men or gay men. 
And it just ain't been no place 

856
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,840
for me there. 
And the more that I've shown up 

857
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:25,000
into those spaces, the more I've
been rejecting my identity 

858
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,560
myself, right? 
Like there's something to learn 

859
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,160
from it. 
But like I've, I've gone into 

860
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:34,200
these spaces and I've tried to 
do, I tried to do, I tried to 

861
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:41,640
perform my way into acceptance 
and who I am and that don't take

862
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:46,920
precedence my intentions, my 
values, my consistency, those 

863
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,000
intangible things don't mean 
shit in identity politics. 

864
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:59,920
And so like me doing I, I got to
release that form. 

865
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,600
I got to release that I've 
invested to me. 

866
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:07,160
I've invested a lot into these 
spaces and now I got to free 

867
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,080
that up for whatever the next 
thing is. 

868
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:14,720
Same way I had to release that 
friendship. 

869
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,320
I poured a lot into that 
friendship that I had until that

870
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,160
weekend at the cabin or whatever
the fuck it was. 

871
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:21,400
The cabin. 
Yeah. 

872
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:29,600
And since releasing that, I 
mean, the attachment to Portland

873
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,360
was gone and I was able to 
leave. 

874
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:38,400
I was able to pour into, you 
know, what I thought was going 

875
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,920
to be the rest of my life. 
And when you pour into 

876
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,200
something, you create an 
identity that you really think 

877
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,440
man, like it's going to be the 
rest of my life. 

878
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:51,480
That was a big ass energy charge
that the process of letting go 

879
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:55,840
has been a bitch. 
It hurt, but I did it. 

880
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:01,600
And the rejection that comes 
from the self rejection that 

881
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:05,880
comes from attachment, it can't 
nobody make me feel the way that

882
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:10,320
I made myself feel ever. 
I don't give a fuck who you are.

883
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:18,400
Your rejection of me, it ain't 
got shit on what I've been 

884
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,560
experienced for myself. 
Rejecting myself, staying in and

885
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,600
attaching to things that need to
to have been long before 

886
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:28,800
released and maybe they hit they
peak and stagnants is something 

887
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,800
that I recognize. 
It's like feels like death to 

888
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:33,720
me. 
What feels like death to you? 

889
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,800
Like, well, I don't believe that
we actually like, we just die 

890
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,120
and we, you know, that that's 
it. 

891
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:46,920
Like these bodies are the 
manifestation of an attachment 

892
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:51,160
to practice, attachment and 
release or detachment, right? 

893
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,440
Attach, release, attach, 
release, attach, release. 

894
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:58,400
That's the rhythm of life. 
We breathe in, we breathe out. 

895
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:04,840
Attach release, attach release, 
attach release. 

896
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,560
And I believe that that's how we
deal with rejection. 

897
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:11,760
Hey, damn, I'm getting to know 
this person. 

898
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,160
I'm going to pour some money, 
energy, attention and time into 

899
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,800
them, you know, and then we 
going to pour into that. 

900
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,040
We going to have attention, the 
attraction, right? 

901
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:21,840
We going to play with it. 
We got it. 

902
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,920
And this is probably why the 
attractive people are so 

903
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:29,640
attractive to us, because this 
is what they do, whether they 

904
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:31,800
know it or not, whether they 
name it or they don't, they 

905
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,240
listen to their nervous system. 
It's an attached release, 

906
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:44,320
attached release. 
I'm, I'm fucking proud of 

907
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:45,720
myself. 
I'm happy. 

908
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,840
They sound more like a self 
podcast than anything because 

909
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:52,880
it's so personal. 
But I, I'm, I'm learning, man. 

910
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:58,240
Like the more I just talk, see 
y'all, and not try and do this 

911
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,960
whole like, oh, let me maintain 
a level of professionalism. 

912
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:04,720
The more I do this, the more 
people open up to me faster, the

913
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:07,080
more I'm able to get to the root
of what their concerns are. 

914
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:11,800
The more that you know, yoga 
therapy is able to be a thing 

915
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:16,240
where we pull from the I pull 
from the person that I'm working

916
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:20,760
with, what I need in order to 
make them a better client, in 

917
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:22,840
order to make me a better yoga 
therapist. 

918
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:32,920
And you know, I love this shit. 
And there's an ongoing grieving 

919
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:36,400
process of all of the things and
the people that I've been 

920
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,920
attached to that I haven't been 
released fully. 

921
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:44,040
And it's a process you, you keep
doing that and you connect to 

922
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:45,880
your nervous system. 
And there's always going to be 

923
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:50,520
more to let go of. 
David R Hawkins, he said, he 

924
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:55,520
said, damn, what did he say? 
Oh, the letting go book, the 

925
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:59,240
whole book letting go. 
There's always more to be let go

926
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,240
of. 
And when things are good, that's

927
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:02,720
when you want to keep 
surrendering. 

928
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,880
That's when you want to keep 
releasing that which you're 

929
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:09,520
attached to. 
And the release is releasing 

930
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:16,880
your your energetic monetary 
chronological. 

931
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,160
I don't, I don't know, like the 
word for time. 

932
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:20,720
I know time got a lot of 
different words. 

933
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:24,000
Kronos but your money, energy, 
attention and time. 

934
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:28,400
Shout out to coach Greg Adams. 
You know, when you allow for the

935
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,240
attachments to to remove 
themselves because that's what 

936
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:32,920
they want to do. 
Everything's attaching and 

937
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,240
releasing. 
You look at atoms and how 

938
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:39,440
electrons they're they're 
rolling the atom, right? 

939
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:44,520
They pick up a charge, they hit 
the orbit as it aligns. 

940
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:47,600
And then they they go, they send
a message like, hey, here's 

941
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:50,680
what's happening over here. 
There's something that is more 

942
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:54,000
aligned for what this atom is 
becoming than what I am. 

943
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:58,640
And it sends out the information
for another electron to pick up 

944
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:00,440
and be like, oh, bad, I want to 
be here. 

945
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,360
And I see that. 
I couldn't see that before. 

946
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:08,200
And that's because I was holding
on. 

947
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:15,040
I was attached not just to that 
relationship, but to my identity

948
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:18,240
as who I was going to become as 
a father. 

949
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,280
The father that I would have 
been, the husband that I would 

950
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:27,240
have been, the nonprofit founder
that I would have been, the the 

951
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:29,840
New Jersey resident that I would
have been. 

952
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:33,840
And I apply that to everything 
else. 

953
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:37,600
Now, me making a decision to get
out of that car when dude was 

954
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:42,680
swerving, me making a decision 
to leave the relationship. 

955
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:47,560
Well, leave the house because 
she broke up with me for me to 

956
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:53,680
leave the house, her place. 
I left her place when I did me 

957
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:59,960
moving my flight up and getting 
out of Saint Louis when I did me

958
01:02:59,960 --> 01:03:01,720
not getting on that plane 
yesterday. 

959
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,360
I'll be damned if I don't listen
to myself again. 

960
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:08,560
I'll be damned if I reject 
myself again. 

961
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:13,920
Exiting space is that you know, 
it's been it's been nine months.

962
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:19,600
It's been nine months since like
I've had involvement with, you 

963
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:24,120
know, these spaces where we 
ain't got it going all of that 

964
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:27,520
too much. 
But I noticed that I've been 

965
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:30,720
treated differently. 
Like there's, I've been reminded

966
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:34,200
I'm not a woman because in 
spaces where my ex and I shared,

967
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:41,080
like I've clearly been kind of 
just elbowed out despite what 

968
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:45,840
I've done in the spaces or what 
I've contributed because I it's,

969
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:49,240
it's who I am. 
The identity thing. 

970
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:54,120
Then that felt the same way as 
it did with the hot tub. 

971
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:56,360
It felt the same way as when I 
worked for white people in 

972
01:03:56,360 --> 01:04:01,600
corporate America. 
At the end of the day, you still

973
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:12,360
you still a black man and I will
never stop believing it at the 

974
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,920
nature of a thing is more 
important than the form of a 

975
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,600
thing. 
And that's where this attached 

976
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:23,520
release concept like really 
thrives because the nature is 

977
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:29,680
what we pour into it. 
We nurture our nature and the 

978
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,640
universe does that. 
The universe nurtures our nature

979
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:35,760
and we should always be becoming
whatever it is that we're 

980
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:42,000
becoming and we will be given or
that in which we pour into the 

981
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:45,240
world energetically, 
emotionally, what we give 

982
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:48,400
attention and presence and 
awareness to will always take 

983
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:51,760
form and it will always align to
where we are in that moment. 

984
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:57,360
And all we got to do is attach, 
release, attach, release, 

985
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:00,800
attach, release. 
Even in a relationship with one 

986
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,400
person, like you're not the same
person the entirety of the 

987
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,840
relationship y'all are molding 
one another. 

988
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:10,040
You're nurturing each other's, 
you're nurturing each other's 

989
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:13,440
nature. 
Something positive for positive 

990
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:16,600
people. 
It's nurturing my nature as 

991
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:20,120
somebody who's curious, 
creative, who values connection,

992
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:24,600
community, choice. 
It's a 6th to see. 

993
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:26,280
I forgot what it was. 
Consistency. 

994
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:31,680
This is a space where those 
intangible aspects of my being, 

995
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:35,480
my identity, are validated and 
being shaped and molded into 

996
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:39,680
whatever the fuck it is that is 
going to come from this. 

997
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:41,920
I'm being shown that I'm seeing 
it. 

998
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:45,840
I love this. 
I love that I get to do this. 

999
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:49,760
I'm happy as fuck. 
And it was in that room, 

1000
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:52,840
Brandon, Cal Goodman, where I 
was able to say, you know, I got

1001
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:58,600
shame around that. 
And so now there's another 

1002
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:02,120
release of energy that I was 
attached to. 

1003
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:05,160
I was attached to my identity as
somebody being overly humble, 

1004
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:08,960
being somebody who who's sad, 
who's not living life feels bad 

1005
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:11,000
because, oh, you know, what are 
some people who can't? 

1006
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:15,800
We need this. 
I need your joy. 

1007
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,200
I need your happiness. 
I need your pleasure. 

1008
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:21,280
I need for you to shine that 
light. 

1009
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:26,000
Don't fucking damn it, because 
when you shine, other people 

1010
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:29,360
might get jealous, but they 
might get jealous the way I get 

1011
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:32,200
jealous. 
And what I mean by that is 

1012
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:37,200
inspired. 
I mean that shit. 

1013
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:42,920
Don't let rejection make you 
shrivel up and shrink into a 

1014
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:47,360
fetal position and hide that big
beautiful light of yours. 

1015
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:52,640
Be inspiring. 
Be inspired, let mother fuckers 

1016
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:54,800
be jealous of you. 
That's theirs to deal with. 

1017
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:00,200
You ain't got to be, no, you 
ain't got to be any type of way.

1018
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:03,560
You ain't got to make nobody 
worse than you in order for you 

1019
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:06,920
to feel better about yourself. 
And don't be in relationships 

1020
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:09,680
like that. 
I've done it plenty of times. 

1021
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:13,520
You know, I just only been in 
therapy really talking about it 

1022
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:15,960
because I know that if I was 
taught, if I was in therapy 

1023
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:18,320
while I was in any of these 
relationships, it wouldn't have 

1024
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:21,240
worked out. 
You get your ass out of that 

1025
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:23,680
relationship. 
He wouldn't say that, but he'd 

1026
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:30,680
have made me say this one over. 
I ain't know what I was going. 

1027
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:34,960
I ain't know what I was going to
be getting into. 

1028
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:37,640
But I wanted to just like speak 
to rejection. 

1029
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:40,920
And I think that self rejection 
was probably the biggest piece 

1030
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:45,640
of this because that's really 
what it is When you're not in 

1031
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:49,240
your rhythm, when you're not 
practicing attach, release, 

1032
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:53,400
attach, release, you holding on,
you're developing an identity 

1033
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:57,600
and that identity that you 
develop that aligns with or that

1034
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:00,440
you know, it's holding on to 
something that needs to be 

1035
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,680
released is keeping you from 
yourself. 

1036
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:06,520
You're outside yourself like you
that that's one of the masks 

1037
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:08,360
that you put on. 
And you maybe just keep that 

1038
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:12,600
mask on a little bit too long. 
Go watch the movie The Mask and 

1039
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:16,080
you'll see that that identity he
becomes when he put that mask on

1040
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:19,680
and become a different person, 
like he likes that. 

1041
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:22,000
But you know when you take the 
mask off, that's still who you 

1042
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,240
are. 
But recognize that the mask is 

1043
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:27,520
there for you to be able to put 
on, but also for you to be able 

1044
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:33,399
to take off these identities 
that form that take form because

1045
01:08:33,399 --> 01:08:36,840
of our energetic investment. 
Even my identity as a now 

1046
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:41,120
polyamorous person, I know that 
there's an attachment there. 

1047
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:44,240
And I know that that's something
that, you know, it's constantly 

1048
01:08:44,399 --> 01:08:46,880
having to be let go of and 
released. 

1049
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:51,520
Like I don't have to prove to 
nobody or perform my, my 

1050
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:56,279
polyamory. 
You know, there might be times 

1051
01:08:56,279 --> 01:09:00,240
when I'm not seeing all of my 
partners, You know, even just 

1052
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:02,520
like this past weekend, I was 
supposed to see some partners 

1053
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:06,680
even when I was traveling. 
And now, like I'm not. 

1054
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:09,439
And if I were attached to my 
daddy as a polyamorous person, I

1055
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:11,279
might have went against my 
nervous system and tried to 

1056
01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:14,840
force some shit and created 
pressure that would have, you 

1057
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:23,479
know, and felt like rejecting to
myself or even my yeah, that 

1058
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:24,960
would have felt rejected to 
myself. 

1059
01:09:25,319 --> 01:09:29,359
Or even now, like getting off 
that plane and not traveling, 

1060
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:35,520
being able to go home. 
I am I really polyamorous? 

1061
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:38,399
Well I'm not. 
I'm not seeing all of my 

1062
01:09:38,399 --> 01:09:40,000
partners right now and I should 
have. 

1063
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:43,800
I'm not making enough money to 
be able to just hop on the next 

1064
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:47,240
flight for however much money 
more to be able to see them. 

1065
01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:57,760
No, that ain't how I work. 
I think I gave a lot of fucking 

1066
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,680
gems when this episode and also 
I feel like more comfortable 

1067
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,040
talking about my personal 
experiences again. 

1068
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:07,040
So I I look forward to, you 
know, being able to do more of 

1069
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:10,600
that and being able to like 
speak as freely as I once did 

1070
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:15,040
before, because now I do have a 
lot more clarity after my time 

1071
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:19,560
in therapy and then being in 
yoga therapy and like also 

1072
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:25,560
realizing like who I am and 
releasing that shame last 

1073
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:30,040
weekend about just being happy 
because that's what's been 

1074
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:32,360
holding me back. 
That's why I ain't been, you 

1075
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:36,400
know, as active personally on 
social media. 

1076
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:39,120
You've seen that I probably, if 
you followed me on social media,

1077
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:42,920
Courtney Bram on Instagram, 
you'll see that like a lot of 

1078
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:45,640
the posts have been like re 
shares of other people's stuff. 

1079
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:49,040
It ain't been me talking about 
my life and how happy I am and 

1080
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:51,400
what I'm doing. 
Think the last big thing I did 

1081
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:55,400
was share that I'll be consuming
BlackBerry smoothies, but I 

1082
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:58,240
don't move to New York. 
I don't lost 2025 lbs. 

1083
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:02,440
I am dating the way that I want 
to be dating. 

1084
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:04,800
I'm having the best sex in my 
life. 

1085
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:09,200
I have some very beautiful 
partners inside and out, and 

1086
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:11,920
they're inspiring. 
Ain't nobody jealous of me. 

1087
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:15,560
Ain't nobody saying it, ain't 
nobody showing it. 

1088
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:18,160
Everybody is just fucking 
supportive. 

1089
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:21,680
And I feel like that support 
behind me allows for me to 

1090
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:24,920
really be able to dive into and 
double down on what I'm doing. 

1091
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:26,840
Something positive for positive 
people. 

1092
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:29,560
If you've seen the newsletter 
for this past month, that 

1093
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:35,880
motherfucker got a 400% increase
in donations and like 300 

1094
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:41,600
something percent increase in 
visibility because I have my 

1095
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:44,640
nature nurtured. 
And that's just like the, the 

1096
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:46,520
one tangible thing. 
I'm working. 

1097
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:50,800
I always say like if I work 2, 
if I work two days a month in my

1098
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:54,360
other job, I can pay my rent. 
And that's really like the 

1099
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:56,040
baseline of what I've been 
trying to do. 

1100
01:11:56,440 --> 01:12:03,200
I'm working, I'm working fuck 
ton like I'm I'm doing okay, I'm

1101
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:06,440
doing okay and I'm able to do. 
I used to always say that I 

1102
01:12:06,440 --> 01:12:09,240
wanted to be able to whenever 
somebody asked me for money, 

1103
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:12,440
like I wanted to make the time 
to get them food. 

1104
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:15,120
I've done that once, like 
somebody stopped me on my way 

1105
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:20,000
from the gym to go to Taco Bell.
And you know, like I've been 

1106
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:23,480
able to give money to people 
that are homeless. 

1107
01:12:23,480 --> 01:12:25,600
I've been able to do like 
charitable things. 

1108
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:30,280
And something that I learned is 
you don't get the money to do it

1109
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:33,240
and then do it. 
You start doing this shit and 

1110
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:37,240
then like, oh, OK, like this is 
who you are, so we going to keep

1111
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:40,240
this going for you. 
Like to be able to do that is a 

1112
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fucking blessing. 
It's a privilege, but also it's 

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a choice. 
So I'm, I'm man, I'm fucking 

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01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:56,440
happy and I ain't showing it and
I'm I'm, I'm, I'm scared to show

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it. 
I'm I'm overly humbling myself 

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to not create a circumstance of 
jealousy like I have in my 

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01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:13,400
relationships, not to so I was 
sorted so as not to attract 

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somebody that's like, oh, look 
at all that joy. 

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01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:21,120
Let me make him less than so I 
can feel better about myself. 

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And I'm also not dim in my light
because that is what that form 

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01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:38,200
of rejection is. 
It felt good. 

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01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:40,040
This felt good y'all, this felt 
good. 

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01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:43,840
This felt like when I get out of
recording self podcast episodes,

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01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:46,640
I might have to do like a little
recap for myself on there and 

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01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:50,120
but I I really hope that y'all 
find this useful. 

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I'm about to be 37. 
I'm about to be a 37 year old 

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01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:59,040
black man living with herpes. 
I started this nonprofit podcast

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01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:03,360
when I was 2829 years old and 
here we are like we going in the

1129
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,920
we going into nine years of 
doing this man. 

1130
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:12,400
All right, I got I gotta go 
because it's been longer than 

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the hour. 
I appreciate y'all. 

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01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:16,920
Thank you for making the space 
and the time to listen to this. 

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Till next time y'all stay 
present.

