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Hello folks. 
This is Princess. 

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You are listening to the 
Millennial Mustard Seed Podcast.

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Thanks for listening. 
Don't forget to share with your 

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friends. 
That's tough. 

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We're in a very tough spot. 
I think that what we're doing 

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right now is a great benefit in 
virtue because it's an end 

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around between this whole 
corrupt informational system, 

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media system. 
We claim to believe in a God who

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spoke the universe into 
existence. 

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And literally raised himself 
from the dead. 

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And yet, we're not going to 
believe that anything else 

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exists in the spirit realm, even
though his word tells us that 

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they do. 
Their bodies weren't permitted 

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to go to sleep like humans do, 
and they weren't permitted to go

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to heaven, so they wander the. 
Earth. 

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You know, I've seen the eyes 
turn black to unknown tongues 

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being spoken. 
These giants would live way up 

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in the island. 
The young Braves, the young men 

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would hide him in the trees, but
wait for one of these 12 footers

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to come walking down the path. 
And they would jump on him and 

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kill him and drag him back to 
the village. 

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And the village would feast on 
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Then people start to get 
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They start to get armor, they 
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They start to fortify their 
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Now God looks down and there's 
violence everywhere. 

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The battle, this war that we are
at, is not against each other. 

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It's against these 
principalities and these rulers 

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and these archons in the high 
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It's really worthwhile to read 
the Bible yourself. 

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Fear is one of the primary 
drivers of mind control, because

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we have to take every thought 
captive and resist fear. 

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You're going to have a testimony
that is a justice case against 

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the Kingdom of Darkness. 
Welcome back to the. 

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Everybody. 
I have a really interesting 

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episode in store for you guys on
this one. 

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So I interviewed John Kerwin, 
the author of a book called A 

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Survival Guide for The 
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Now, John's team reached out to 
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Requesting for him to be able to
come on the show and present his

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book. 
I didn't really do too much deep

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diving into this topic. 
Me and John talked on the phone.

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We hit it off on a couple 
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I'm like, Yup, this is cool. 
Let's get him scheduled. 

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I was blindsided on this 
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Because the Mandela Effect. 
I'm very aware of the Mandela 

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Effect and just the general 
things that people are familiar 

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with, how it has affected things
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right? 
But the last, like, 45 minutes 

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of this episode, me and John get
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I'm not saying John is a bad 
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I wanted to air this episode so 
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defenses were as to how the 
Bible is changing. 

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So I don't believe the word of 
God changes at all, ever. 

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But the whole thing is I was 
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I go into a defensive mode, 
which really, you know, is is 

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healthy because I want to honor 
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I don't want to be deceived. 
I don't want to deceive anybody 

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else. 
But I think this is an 

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interesting episode for you guys
really to just see a different, 

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you know, perspective, like 
really diving in and and trying 

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to get through some troublesome 
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It's it's a good episode. 
So you guys stick around for 

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this whole recording? 
I'm supposed to be traveling two

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times this month of September 
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As far as finances go, I don't 
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We've had one person donate and 
I want to thank Isaiah for 

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donating some money towards gas 
for the ministry travels. 

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So I'm putting this on the 
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I'm not begging for money, I'm 
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The doors have opened up. 
There's places I would like to 

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be, but I need you guys to help 
me meet that need so we can get 

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there. 
There is real hardline needs 

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like gas money, hotels, things 
like that when you're traveling.

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I don't have it in the budget, I
work hard. 

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But with the price of everything
today, hey, come on, you guys 

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know the deal. 
So if you can spare 10/20/30 

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fifty $100, somebody out there 
who's got plenty of money and 

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money's not a problem for you. 
You can be the one to help me 

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get this thing done. 
God is opening the door. 

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I'm looking to be faithful and 
to walk through it. 

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So I need you guys to leave me 
that five star rating of review 

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that helps this podcast grow, 
that helps me reach more people 

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just like you. 
And we get to water some more 

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seeds, plant some more seeds, 
spread the fire as truck would 

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say over on fire theft radio. 
We get to literally move this 

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thing forward. 
Because there's so many 

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different messages and signals 
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It's really important that we 
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And out of season that we were 
equipped and you guys hide the 

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word of God in your heart that 
you will not send against him. 

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There's you'll see, just even on
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so many weird things that we're 
covering that are literally we 

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need to wrestle through as a 
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We can't just keep our head in 
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topics. 
So now's the time to pray too 

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fast to get close to God in his 
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We are living in strange times. 
But with all that being said, I 

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got great episodes coming down 
the pipeline for you guys as 

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well. 
I am ready to get into this 

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episode. 
Are you guys ready? 

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Let's go. 
All right. 

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Well, my name is John Kerwin, 
the author of a new book called 

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The Conspiracy Theorist Survival
Guide, a guidebook for 

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persecuted truthers. 
Welcome to the Millennial 

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Mustard Seed Podcast. 
I have an awesome episode in 

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store for you guys. 
I have John Kerwin here, and 

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he's the author of a very 
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So what we're going to do 
tonight is just have him kind of

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give us a brief overview of the 
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I'm going to ask him some 
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We're just going to organically 
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Now, John, was it this year that
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Yeah, just about two months ago,
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About two months ago, Awesome. 
And it's interesting. 

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On this show I've attacked a lot
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you know, we have dived into 
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We've talked about all different
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church has to deal with. 
You know, this stuff is right in

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front of our face. 
We can no longer just turn a 

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blond eye and just put our head 
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And not deal with everything 
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I want you to tell us a little 
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dive into this book. 
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Yeah. 
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of a different topic from what 
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consuming. 
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know, instead of looking into 
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operates and how bamboozled we 
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planners, what they're up to, 
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into the emotional, the 
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And then specifically though, 
when your friends and your 

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family don't find out about it 
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don't want to know, this sets up
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dynamics that has caused 
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to experience a lot of pain. 
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last six years is provided A 
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Effect. 
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to the Christian, the individual
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how to cope and deal with the 
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after 24 years of marriage, my 
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Because the divide that comes up
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call a normie or the unconvinced
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irreconcilable. 
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navigate those waters, but I've 
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people directly corresponded 
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divorced by their unconvinced 
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Now what's interesting is I was 
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Statistics from when we last 
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near death encounter, more than 
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married, end up in divorce 
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death encounter. 
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provocative. 
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it. 
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how do you with the Mandela 
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Right. 
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That's a big deal, and nobody 
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it. 
Now, I have you here on the 

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show. 
You've been studying this for 

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the last six years and you have 
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how it affects the individual. 
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with that? 
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having a change of mind, right. 
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what's going on in the world 
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To the idea, whether it be 
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abuse or or just being literally
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environment, the toxins and our 
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desensitization, how are people 
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there's a really big problem 
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Why does the church reject this 
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opinion? 
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topic. 
It's it's a very common 

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question. 
Why can't people see? 

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And essentially it's because 
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And so then you have to ask that
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want to see? 
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that. 
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the core of the issue, which I 
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And you know, I use the term 
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And at the very core of the 
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somewhere in the past they began
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So, for instance, I was having a
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conversation with one of my 
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at one point she blurted out. 
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Well, I'm sure, I'm positive 
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have had a similar statement 
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Maybe not those exact words, but
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one of the greatest revelations 
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the last 6-7 years. 
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normal rod and what it means is 
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typical or expected. 
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normal means or I'm sorry, 
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to comply with the rules. 
Now what you asked me was why 

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don't people see? 
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The reason they don't see is 
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and and so if you are a truther,
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Somewhere in the past you were 
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OK. 
I'll just use myself an example 

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and you can relate to it. 
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I was just doing life. 
I was married 4/4 kids. 

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I was a pattern day trader at 
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And all of a sudden I saw that 
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federal. 
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us, we're normies. 
We're just like everybody else. 

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We believe the moon landing was 
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all those things were real 
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us, right? 
But then God comes up behind us 

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and he kind of taps us on the 
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notice that that's fake? 
It's that moment, right. 

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And So what you do is, as I 
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Reserve was this white building 
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like part of the government and 
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But then I found out it because 
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that it was actually a bunch of 
private banks not subject to the

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federal, you know, the 
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It was. 
It was like, so obviously fake, 

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like Federal Express isn't 
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And what I said to myself was, 
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I mean, it's looking back, it's 
embarrassing, you know how 

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obvious these things are now. 
But I said to myself, if that's 

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not true, what else isn't true? 
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truth or journey. 
That is when you are converted 

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from a normie to a truther. 
Because now what you have done 

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is that filter has come off. 
That's the filter that doesn't 

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let you see. 
And that filter has to do with 

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what's called the reticular 
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It's a part of your brain that 
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inconsistent with your paradigm.
A simple example is if you you 

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know if you decide you're going 
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sudden everywhere you look you 
see Honda Accords. 

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Exactly, Yeah. 
OK, well why is that? 

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Well, your brain now knows 
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Accords and so it opens up the 
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And This is why you can go to 
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your evidence. 
Pick. 

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Pick any conspiracy theory you 
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landing is fake as an archetype 
for all conspiracy topics. 

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OK, sounds good. 
So you go to your friend and you

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show them the lunar Lander and 
you show them the Photoshop 

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pictures and you show them like 
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approach. 
OK, you just think, well surely 

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if I show them enough examples 
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No, no they won't. 
Why is that? 

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Because they don't want to know.
And so they have their filter 

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on. 
They can't see, they won't see 

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until they start to question. 
Then they'll be able to see the 

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evidence. 
And so this is really the root 

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cause of what you asked, why, 
why people can't see. 

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Now there's there's subliminal 
programming, there's modeling in

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the media. 
You know the talking heads you 

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know model mocking us. 
There's chemicals, there's 

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trauma based mind control, all 
the cava stock stuff and there's

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pride. 
That's a big player. 

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There's demonic spirits, There's
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curse from God for people that 
are willfully ignorant. 

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There's peer pressure, the herd 
mentality. 

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And and that's a big one because
humans are very tribal and and 

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so your belief system is 
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initiation or belonging to this 
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And and so when you start to 
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you're not just asking them to 
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asking them to leave their 
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And that's a lot, a big ask, 
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And so you find them very 
resistant to doing that. 

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So those are some of the 
underlying things that I've 

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uncovered in my research. 
You have this moment, you talk 

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about the Federal Reserve. 
Now, Doctor Laura Sanger has 

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been on a handful of times. 
She wrote a book called The 

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Roots of the Federal Reserve. 
She talks about tying the 

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Nephilim agenda all the way back
to the days of Noah and how that

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really is the system that's in 
play today. 

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How do we go from there to you 
release your book, right. 

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You. 
You have this experience with 

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the. 
Realizing the Federal Reserve is

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fake, you're waking up to the 
idea of the Matrix, if you will.

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Fast forward How do we get to 
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What are some of the biggest 
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journey thus far? 
Yeah, that's another great 

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So this was six years ago, and 

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for about four years I was still
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chapter six of the book, which 
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rejection. 
And a lot of your subscribers 

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will be able to relate to this. 
So you're a normie and your 

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spouse is a normie. 
Or maybe it's your friends. 

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And and all of a sudden you 
start to wake up and you start 

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to ask, well, if that's not 
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And of course, most of the 
things that we're told aren't 

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real. 
Everything's crazy. 

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So you're in the Truman Show. 
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those around you will keep it 
light at 1st, and then you start

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bringing things up and they'll 
say, well, you know, I don't go 

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in for conspiracy theories much.
And so they now invoke that term

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conspiracy theorist, which was, 
of course, a term created by the

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CIA in a 1967 bulletin that was 
released with a whole bunch of 

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talking points, the goal of 
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people into silence that were 
questioning the JFK 

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assassination. 
And so when somebody invokes 

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that term, it means a lot of 
things. 

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It means, I don't believe that 
that's true what you're talking 

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about. 
It means I'm embarrassed for you

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for bringing it up because only 
crazy people believe those 

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things. 
And it means I don't ever want 

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you to bring it up again, OK. 
But at first it's very subtle. 

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But if you persist like I did, 
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it, your friends and family 
start realizing, man, he really 

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believes this stuff, right? 
So then they go to stage two 

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where they start ratcheting up 
and they start issuing what I 

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call edicts and they start to 
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Now, a lot of people can relate 
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You start getting these 
directives from your friends and

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your especially your spouse, 
right? 

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Listen, when we go to the 
Inlaws, I don't want you to talk

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about your crazy stuff, right? 
You know what I'm talking about,

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don't you? 
Is that why you're laughing? 

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I'm just laughing because I hear
it among people that I talk with

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but continue on. 
Yep, So these these are coming. 

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A variety. 
Like if I received a phone call 

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from any of my conspiracy 
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scowl at me and I'd have to take
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Or I was told, you know, don't 
talk about them when we're out 

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in public. 
Or I actually had a intervention

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in this second stage where I 
came home and the pastor, 

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assistant pastor in the Deacon 
of the church were in my son 

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room and my wife was there and 
she's a drug and alcohol 

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addiction counselor. 
And she was telling me I need 

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medication. 
Oh Gee, that's a whole another 

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level. 
So, So these are the types of 

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things that you start to 
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Well this is devastating 
emotionally and how do you and 

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and then what you're then what 
happens though is if you 

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continue to persist and you are 
vocal about it because truthers 

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have a sense of urgency, you 
know they find out they live in 

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a scifi horror movie and the the
world's run by Luciferian blood 

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drink and psychopath mobster. 
Not like we've been told. 

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And so once you get to Level 3, 
this is when you are given what 

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I call shut up or else orders. 
These are these are relational 

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brick walls where I was told I 
don't want you to talk about 

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anything negative or 
controversial. 

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I was told by my children dad, 
if you talk about crazy things I

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can't have a relationship with 
you. 

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Well, that's a that's a 
showstopper. 

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And when you try to bring up the
topic to try to get some 

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reconciliation, because keep in 
mind, you're right and they're 

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wrong. 
You're right. 

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The moon landing was faked, 9/11
was fake. 

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But but remember, the normie 
isn't looking. 

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They're like the British guards 
where you go, you try to get 

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them to look, they don't look. 
Normies don't look under the 

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hood. 
Normies don't want to know. 

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And so when you go to them to 
try to reconcile this schism, 

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this elephant in the room, they 
like, I don't want to talk about

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it. 
Well, I've got 3 binders here of

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proof. 
I can easily show you it's fake 

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and I don't want to talk about 
it and I don't want you to talk 

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about it. 
So then what do you do? 

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Then? 
What is your option? 

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So. 
So they are leaving you there 

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with your nerve endings hanging 
out, and then they're basically 

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pursuing their happy life. 
And you have now your ideals and

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your priorities have shifted 
overnight. 

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You've gone from living on a 
party boat to living on a battle

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cruiser, and they have no idea 
what has happened to you and 

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they don't want to know. 
They have no compassion. 

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In fact, I've stated that the 
normie has as much compassion 

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for you truther as if they found
out you're a pedophile. 

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Because remember, when you start
to question officialdom, you 

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start to question the rules to 
them. 

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It looks like you've fallen in 
with a bad crowd. 

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It looks like you've gone rogue 
and they're and they're 

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embarrassed and they're ashamed 
and they're they're fearful. 

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And so it's a shutdown. 
And so you're told. 

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I was finally told, don't talk 
about anything or else, OK, so 

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now I'm emasculated. 
I'm I have to be what I call 

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happy dad in order to have any 
hope of having any relationship 

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with them. 
So I have to pretend I believe 

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like you do by being silent for 
the rest of my life, or else I'm

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out the door and I am out the 
door. 

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I'm I'm 60 years old and I live 
in an apartment by myself 10 

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minutes away from my family. 
It's a nightmare, and it's 

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universally the same for 100% of
truthers now. 

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It may not end up in divorce. 
You may be fortunate where your 

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spouse is either gracious, A 
gracious normie, or they're 

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actually a truther as well. 
But if you're a truther and your

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spouse is a normie, you're 
walking a lonely Rd. 

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You may still be together, but 
your marriage is vacuous. 

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Very interesting man and I'm 
sorry that you went through 

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that. 
So recently I I did a 

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collaboration with Chuck from 
Fire Theft radio. 

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He's out on the West Coast and 
he he's talking about his moment

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where he was like. 
I felt just like Neo and the 

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Matrix. 
I realized like everything is a 

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lie, you know? 
And it's like the first time he 

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gets unplugged and then he 
throws up. 

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And it's like, there's this 
feeling of you're kind of set 

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free and liberated in a way, but
you're pissed off. 

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Oh yeah, you're a. 
Little bit pissed off and then. 

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How do you recoup from that? 
So me and Chuck went on to talk 

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about Doctor Michael Davis, 
who's been on the show, talks 

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about emotional health and the 
gospel of emotional health and 

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how to deal with this. 
Because there there's a lot of 

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people that they get really 
pissed off when they start to 

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crash land into the reality that
this is this is a big lie. 

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So that's interesting to hear. 
That's what you went through. 

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And that's definitely a heavy, 
heavy burden, man. 

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I can't imagine what that would 
be like. 

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I know for me, there's certain 
people where I definitely get 

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asked not to talk about it. 
And I kind of soften the 

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approach and try to find ways to
inculcate them, right, to get 

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them to actually be aware. 
And and hopefully if their 

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head's not too deep in the sand,
they'll at least bring up one 

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thing. 
You know, I got a couple of 

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friends that are like, not into 
anything that I do. 

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But every once in a while, 
they'll slip and they'll be 

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like, Oh yeah, I did see this on
the news and I'm like. 

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You want to open that floodgate 
because I could have a lot of 

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fun on these topics. 
Like, I kind of just slow down 

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and look for opportunities. 
But it's really difficult 

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because I believe for myself, I 
identify as a watchman on the 

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wall, right? 
So when I see something, I don't

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want any any blood on my hands. 
I'm shouting from the rooftops. 

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Be careful for this, look out 
for this. 

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I just don't force feed it to 
people. 

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But I try to find this balance 
and it's so difficult. 

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It's so difficult. 
So I I want to talk about your 

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book. 
The Conspiracy Theorist Survival

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Guide Yeah, give us an overview.
I mean the name kind of says it 

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all but like I mean what's going
on here. 

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Well you know I get I get posts 
on my channel wake up or else on

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YouTube is my is my channel. 
We have a an online Christian 

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fellowship for the truth or 
community. 

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So we do live streams. 
I do teachings. 

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We actually have video 
conference meetings and so we're

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trying to, you know, create like
a a church fellowship or a 

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fellowship. 
But the I'm sorry, what what was

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the question again? 
Let's just hit like, you know, 

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30,000 foot view of your book. 
So, so this this was the result 

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of my trauma, right? 
What are people to expect? 

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Of being being disrespected 
misunderstood and then having my

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family essentially turn my back 
on the on the why? 

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Because I found out the truth 
and they don't want to know. 

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That's a terrible cross to bear 
and what with my community. 

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This is what I was thinking my 
community. 

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I found out that my experience 
wasn't me. 

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It's universally the same And so
I got a burden for people And so

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00:26:22,550 --> 00:26:25,550
the book is a is a selfhelp 
guide. 

451
00:26:25,550 --> 00:26:28,910
It's a it's filled with 
anecdotes that'll inspire you 

452
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,640
and it'll give you instruction. 
Like, I'll give you an example. 

453
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,520
One of the things that I finally
figured out, right So I'm in 

454
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,520
shutdown mode. 
I'm not allowed to talk about 

455
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,640
anything but but and I'm told, 
don't talk about anything crazy.

456
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:46,560
But then my family would invoke 
things that I knew. 

457
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,360
If they knew what I believed, 
they think I'd be crazy. 

458
00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:53,760
So now I'm now I'm forced into 
having a conversation about 

459
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:58,460
things that I know are a part of
a conspiracy, and they're 

460
00:26:58,460 --> 00:27:01,300
telling me not to talk about 
them, but then they're bringing 

461
00:27:01,300 --> 00:27:06,780
it up in this so that what they 
expect me to do is parrot their 

462
00:27:06,780 --> 00:27:09,380
worldview to them so we can have
a relationship. 

463
00:27:10,660 --> 00:27:14,260
Well, I refuse to do that. 
So I would just be quiet and 

464
00:27:14,260 --> 00:27:16,580
they would get the idea that I 
didn't want to talk about that. 

465
00:27:17,500 --> 00:27:21,980
But if they would invoke the 
term crazy fringe conspiracy 

466
00:27:21,980 --> 00:27:28,140
theory, kook irrational, I would
hold up my right finger and I 

467
00:27:28,140 --> 00:27:31,340
would say, excuse me, I may be 
mistaken, but I'm not crazy. 

468
00:27:32,780 --> 00:27:36,820
Now that's $1,000,000 secret. 
Because what I did for a year or

469
00:27:36,820 --> 00:27:40,620
so for a solid two years, I 
didn't say anything to anybody 

470
00:27:40,900 --> 00:27:43,180
about anything. 
I I was just happy, Dad. 

471
00:27:43,180 --> 00:27:46,220
That's what I called it. 
I talked about hair, nails, 

472
00:27:46,620 --> 00:27:48,620
boys. 
What are you doing? 

473
00:27:48,620 --> 00:27:53,510
Food, movies, you know, 
whatever, whatever they want to 

474
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:56,310
talk about. 
But I wouldn't try to instruct 

475
00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:58,710
them or guide them or help 
prepare them for what's coming. 

476
00:27:58,710 --> 00:28:00,750
None. 
None of the things that we as 

477
00:28:00,750 --> 00:28:04,230
husbands and fathers feel that 
we should be doing. 

478
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:07,030
Of course, you know, I'm 
discipling them in the things of

479
00:28:07,030 --> 00:28:14,270
God. 
But what happened was they just 

480
00:28:14,270 --> 00:28:16,710
didn't. 
They didn't change. 

481
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:20,070
And no matter, even if I didn't 
say anything about anything, I 

482
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:21,910
was, it was still an elephant in
the room. 

483
00:28:23,210 --> 00:28:27,010
They still knew that I had 
become like somebody they don't 

484
00:28:27,010 --> 00:28:30,010
know anymore. 
And so we just continued to 

485
00:28:30,010 --> 00:28:34,690
drift apart. 
So it's really a lot of, it's a 

486
00:28:34,690 --> 00:28:37,450
difficult journey. 
So the book is broken up into 

487
00:28:37,450 --> 00:28:40,450
two sections. 
The first section is inside the 

488
00:28:40,450 --> 00:28:44,930
mind of the truther and it and 
it goes into all the all of the 

489
00:28:44,930 --> 00:28:50,090
things that truthers deal with 
and why we do see and how is it 

490
00:28:50,090 --> 00:28:53,490
that this is happening? 
And then the second section is 

491
00:28:53,490 --> 00:28:56,530
inside the mind of the normie. 
Why do they attack? 

492
00:28:57,050 --> 00:28:59,010
Why can't they see all these 
things? 

493
00:28:59,930 --> 00:29:05,170
And it's really helping people. 
Yeah, man, that's that's pretty 

494
00:29:05,170 --> 00:29:08,210
deep stuff. 
And this is something that, I 

495
00:29:08,210 --> 00:29:10,970
mean, I deal with a little bit. 
I don't get persecution from my 

496
00:29:10,970 --> 00:29:15,250
family per se, but you know, I 
have a Christian population 

497
00:29:15,250 --> 00:29:18,920
around me and. 
When, whenever somebody's like 

498
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,080
man, how do you believe in that?
Or a supernatural experience, 

499
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,640
for example. 
I'll I'll ask. 

500
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,280
Do you? 
Believe in the Bible. 

501
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:27,800
Right. 
And that. 

502
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,520
Yeah, of course. 
And then I'll ask, do you 

503
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:35,360
believe in all of your Bible? 
And then they know it's like, oh

504
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,830
OK, yeah, Jesus walked on water.
You know what I mean? 

505
00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:44,870
Like, it's one of like 1000 
supernatural experiences. 

506
00:29:44,990 --> 00:29:48,190
Like, it's the most supernatural
book in all of existence if you 

507
00:29:48,190 --> 00:29:49,870
stripped all the supernatural 
stuff out of it. 

508
00:29:49,870 --> 00:29:53,350
It's just genealogies and people
fighting over foreign land. 

509
00:29:53,470 --> 00:29:55,550
That's right. 
And offer. 

510
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,200
You know, like, I've had Dan 
Duvall on the show and he's 

511
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,760
super controversial. 
He's a friend of mine, man. 

512
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,160
And we've talked about the 
Elementals, right? 

513
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,160
Earth, wind, fire, water. 
I mean, we're we're getting down

514
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,800
into the nittygritty of of some 
of this stuff. 

515
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,520
Well, I'm not afraid to talk 
about the Baga Vagita, you know 

516
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,920
what I mean? 
Or any of the Sumerian scrolls 

517
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,000
or that, that kind of stuff that
has a space, right? 

518
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,400
There's a time and a place for 
that, but. 

519
00:30:21,210 --> 00:30:24,250
It's it's almost like there's a 
few people that are bold enough 

520
00:30:24,250 --> 00:30:27,570
maybe in the family to bring it 
up and then they take all this 

521
00:30:27,570 --> 00:30:30,770
punishment. 
They take all this backlash and 

522
00:30:30,770 --> 00:30:34,730
all this punishment and then 
really that can that can harden 

523
00:30:34,770 --> 00:30:37,290
and cause a root of bitterness 
to come up in people. 

524
00:30:37,290 --> 00:30:41,250
So I think it's really a great 
idea to you don't have this 

525
00:30:41,250 --> 00:30:44,050
thoroughly laid out in these 
these different parts with your 

526
00:30:44,050 --> 00:30:48,690
book and you know you kind of 
went ahead in a way and dealt 

527
00:30:48,690 --> 00:30:51,240
with a lot of. 
It sounds like a lot of attack, 

528
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,480
a lot of sorrow that came, you 
know, just from the family 

529
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,160
issues, but it was somehow of 
picking up maybe like a driving 

530
00:30:58,160 --> 00:30:59,760
force to get this thing 
completed. 

531
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,640
Because you knew you weren't 
alone, right? 

532
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,640
No question. 
Just in some of the notes that I

533
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,200
was looking at, the moon landing
is fake, 9/11 is fake. 

534
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,480
The Earth is flat. 
The Mandela effect is real. 

535
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,680
Chemtrails are real. 
You know, there is a shadow 

536
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,800
government. 
Eugenics programs are real. 

537
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,520
I'm on board, man. 
You don't need to try to 

538
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,120
convince me of any of that. 
I've been on multiple symposiums

539
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,760
over the last few months with 
other researchers. 

540
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,720
We did some national broadcast 
stuff, talking about all the 

541
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,760
stuff in the air and the water 
and the food. 

542
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,680
Where does the Mandela Effect 
fall into place? 

543
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,240
Yeah. 
I mean, if you were a pastor, I 

544
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,280
would deal with you a little 
differently than if you're just 

545
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:46,250
a person or a Christian. 
But what it is for folks that 

546
00:31:46,250 --> 00:31:48,810
may not be fully aware of it, 
it's the experience that 

547
00:31:49,050 --> 00:31:52,370
hundreds of thousands or even 
millions of people are now 

548
00:31:52,370 --> 00:31:58,250
reporting that they have vivid 
memories of things that are no 

549
00:31:58,250 --> 00:32:00,130
longer exactly like they 
remember. 

550
00:32:01,250 --> 00:32:04,370
And it is a phenomenon because 
it's so widespread. 

551
00:32:04,370 --> 00:32:07,570
And the key here is to 
understand that these are vivid 

552
00:32:07,570 --> 00:32:09,570
memories. 
So let me give an example. 

553
00:32:10,050 --> 00:32:12,980
All right. 
If your name is John and then 

554
00:32:13,220 --> 00:32:17,580
and you wake up and your name is
Jim and in other words your bank

555
00:32:17,580 --> 00:32:21,140
statements say Jim. 
All of your people around you 

556
00:32:21,140 --> 00:32:23,860
know you as Jim. 
So you get a check up and you're

557
00:32:23,860 --> 00:32:26,300
not You don't have mental 
illness you don't have you go to

558
00:32:26,300 --> 00:32:28,140
your pastor you don't have a 
demon okay. 

559
00:32:28,780 --> 00:32:35,020
But you have certainty and and 
so you're like I don't care what

560
00:32:35,020 --> 00:32:37,580
the datasphere says I know what 
my name is bro. 

561
00:32:37,780 --> 00:32:38,020
Right. 
I'm. 

562
00:32:38,580 --> 00:32:41,410
Not getting this wrong, right? 
You know what your name is? 

563
00:32:41,410 --> 00:32:44,970
So here's my question. 
Would you consider that 

564
00:32:44,970 --> 00:32:47,570
experience a phenomenon? 
Yes or no? 

565
00:32:48,730 --> 00:32:52,650
Just the way that you said it. 
No, I mean that seems like 

566
00:32:52,730 --> 00:32:56,290
isolated, but but it in the in 
the context of, you know, I 

567
00:32:56,290 --> 00:32:58,570
don't know, maybe upwards of 
1,000,000 people around the 

568
00:32:58,570 --> 00:33:02,250
world are waking up with a very 
similar problem. 

569
00:33:02,250 --> 00:33:07,470
It's just not name specific. 
It's it's actually cultural 

570
00:33:07,470 --> 00:33:10,470
relevant thing that they're 
like, no, I'm a millennial, I'm 

571
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:14,310
a 90s kid man and I remember 
this verbatim and all my friends

572
00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:17,510
remember it too. 
But it doesn't exist exactly. 

573
00:33:17,790 --> 00:33:18,510
Weird. 
So weird. 

574
00:33:18,670 --> 00:33:22,270
Let me go back to the question 
because this is a key point in 

575
00:33:22,270 --> 00:33:23,630
this discussion. 
All right. 

576
00:33:23,630 --> 00:33:28,550
So because we all have a a 
perception of this phenomenon 

577
00:33:28,830 --> 00:33:33,030
and so I want you to answer the 
question what the hypothetical 

578
00:33:33,030 --> 00:33:35,650
scenario that I just outlined 
where your name is now 

579
00:33:35,650 --> 00:33:38,770
different. 
Would you if you had that 

580
00:33:38,770 --> 00:33:42,290
experience would you consider 
that a phenomenon or would it be

581
00:33:42,290 --> 00:33:45,170
just misremembering to you the. 
Phenomenon. 

582
00:33:45,170 --> 00:33:47,050
Hands down. 
I feel like something's terribly

583
00:33:47,050 --> 00:33:47,810
wrong here. 
You know? 

584
00:33:47,810 --> 00:33:49,850
Like I'm going to die on this 
hill, man. 

585
00:33:49,850 --> 00:33:51,010
I know who I am. 
Right? 

586
00:33:51,410 --> 00:33:52,250
Thank you. 
Okay. 

587
00:33:52,250 --> 00:33:54,570
Now the reason that's so 
important is because the 

588
00:33:54,570 --> 00:33:59,450
Unconvinced are universally 
categorizing this experience as 

589
00:33:59,450 --> 00:34:02,430
misremembering. 
Okay, now they're experiencing 

590
00:34:02,430 --> 00:34:06,550
the same phenomenon we are. 
So all of humanity is 

591
00:34:06,550 --> 00:34:10,150
remembering Grand Central 
Station, but it's always been 

592
00:34:10,150 --> 00:34:14,070
Grand Central Terminal. 
All of humanity remembers 

593
00:34:14,070 --> 00:34:17,870
mirror, mirror on the wall, but 
it's never been that. 

594
00:34:17,870 --> 00:34:19,870
It's always been magic mirror on
the wall. 

595
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:23,989
And you know, the Monopoly guy 
never had a monocle. 

596
00:34:25,150 --> 00:34:28,770
And all of these memories are 
not super vivid like your name, 

597
00:34:28,770 --> 00:34:31,330
but some of them are. 
We call them anchor memories. 

598
00:34:32,050 --> 00:34:33,810
Anchor memories are like your 
name. 

599
00:34:33,810 --> 00:34:37,690
You're like, I'm sorry. 
This is absolutely what I would.

600
00:34:37,810 --> 00:34:41,370
I would stake my life on it, OK?
It's like I played the Monopoly 

601
00:34:41,370 --> 00:34:44,929
game 1000 times growing up and 
the dude had a monocle. 

602
00:34:44,929 --> 00:34:48,969
Now you can go back to the 
original trademark. 

603
00:34:49,010 --> 00:34:52,170
There's been four or five 
different versions of Monopoly. 

604
00:34:52,170 --> 00:34:55,690
None of them had a monocle. 
Not one. 

605
00:34:56,449 --> 00:35:00,930
Interesting, but it's this 
reminds me of deja vu language 

606
00:35:00,930 --> 00:35:02,050
in a sense. 
Now the reason I'm going to 

607
00:35:02,050 --> 00:35:04,410
bring it up is because everybody
knows deja vu. 

608
00:35:04,410 --> 00:35:05,770
I mean, there's movies, books, 
right? 

609
00:35:05,770 --> 00:35:09,490
It's it's a common cultural term
that floats around that people 

610
00:35:09,490 --> 00:35:11,610
use. 
But if I'm pronouncing it 

611
00:35:11,610 --> 00:35:15,370
correctly, it's it's jamis vu, 
which is never seen. 

612
00:35:15,370 --> 00:35:19,530
And it's a term that literally 
describes the sense of losing 

613
00:35:19,610 --> 00:35:24,370
all familiarity with where 
you're at, what your name is 

614
00:35:24,370 --> 00:35:27,040
what. 
What is going on around you for 

615
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,440
for like a moment? 
And it's kind of like how deja 

616
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,720
vu will last anywhere for like a
few seconds up to like maybe 10 

617
00:35:33,720 --> 00:35:37,640
minutes in some extreme cases. 
But with the Mandela Effect, 

618
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,560
it's a permanent change within 
the Matrix system. 

619
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,120
Okay. 
So everybody deals with deja vu,

620
00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:46,360
some people deal with jemis vu 
there. 

621
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,840
There's a whole generations of 
people dealing with the Mandela 

622
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,650
Effect. 
And I'm kind of stuck in this 

623
00:35:52,650 --> 00:35:55,570
place because I still, I still 
haven't really dealt with these 

624
00:35:55,570 --> 00:35:59,570
topics to the point of I know 
exactly what to do with that and

625
00:35:59,570 --> 00:36:03,210
how to actually mentor other 
people that are experiencing or 

626
00:36:03,210 --> 00:36:06,250
have the questions about it. 
So it still has this realm of 

627
00:36:06,250 --> 00:36:10,410
mystery for me, like how do I 
tie that down and really figure 

628
00:36:10,410 --> 00:36:13,010
it out? 
But in your opinion, is that a 

629
00:36:13,010 --> 00:36:16,450
whole entire time change? 
I mean, are we talking like 

630
00:36:16,450 --> 00:36:20,740
there's literally potentially? 
Elite races, right? 

631
00:36:20,860 --> 00:36:25,180
That maybe we are living in a 
box, just like Truman was on the

632
00:36:25,180 --> 00:36:28,380
Truman Show, right? 
And they're making changes to 

633
00:36:28,380 --> 00:36:30,980
the algorithms, right? 
They're making changes to the 

634
00:36:31,300 --> 00:36:33,860
information system that 
broadcasts the world around us. 

635
00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:35,620
Does it get that creepy in your 
opinion? 

636
00:36:35,740 --> 00:36:38,300
Sounds like what you're 
referring to is the simulation 

637
00:36:38,300 --> 00:36:39,740
theory. 
Well, sure, yeah, like 

638
00:36:39,740 --> 00:36:42,500
simulation theory, I guess. 
I don't like using that word, 

639
00:36:42,500 --> 00:36:49,970
but what do we do with this? 
So the short answer is we don't 

640
00:36:49,970 --> 00:36:53,810
know what we're experiencing, 
but we know what it isn't. 

641
00:36:53,850 --> 00:36:58,090
It isn't misremembering. 
So, so the unconvinced are 

642
00:36:58,090 --> 00:37:01,410
trying to just brush this off. 
Oh, John, I could clear this up 

643
00:37:01,410 --> 00:37:03,210
for you. 
You're just confusing the 

644
00:37:03,210 --> 00:37:05,490
platters peanut guy with the 
Monopoly guy. 

645
00:37:05,850 --> 00:37:08,770
And you know you can have an 
implanted thought like that. 

646
00:37:10,090 --> 00:37:13,930
The human memory isn't reliable.
Those types of thoughts where 

647
00:37:13,930 --> 00:37:17,690
they're just dismissing it. 
But remember, that's why I said 

648
00:37:17,690 --> 00:37:22,230
that question before. 
If you woke up and your name was

649
00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:25,670
changed, those types of 
arguments would just fall to the

650
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:26,590
ground. 
You wouldn't. 

651
00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:30,750
You wouldn't be able to accept 
them because the level of of 

652
00:37:30,830 --> 00:37:36,910
vividness it's so vivid that you
have to categorize it as an 

653
00:37:36,910 --> 00:37:40,830
unexplainable experience. 
And the unconvinced refused to 

654
00:37:40,830 --> 00:37:44,790
do that. 
OK so in answer to your question

655
00:37:44,790 --> 00:37:50,140
though here's what we do know. 
OK so when you when the 

656
00:37:50,140 --> 00:37:57,300
community experiences a a change
it's pretty much universally the

657
00:37:57,300 --> 00:37:59,220
same. 
Everybody's memories are are the

658
00:37:59,220 --> 00:38:02,620
same on on most cases there's 
variance on either side but 

659
00:38:02,940 --> 00:38:11,780
8090% right now in that scenario
and I'll use I'll use a Bible 

660
00:38:11,780 --> 00:38:14,900
verse lion. 
The lion will lay down with the 

661
00:38:14,900 --> 00:38:18,480
lamb is very familiar. 
If you ask 100 pastors hey 

662
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,080
pastor who laid down with the 
lamb they'll tell you the lion. 

663
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:27,200
Well it now says wolf. 
It says the the wolf will dwell 

664
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,120
with the lamb. 
It's Isaiah 11/6. 

665
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:36,360
Now what we have found is that 
that change to what we remember 

666
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,680
didn't happen 10 or 20 years 
ago. 

667
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:43,280
So 20 years ago it was lion and 
then 20 years ago it changed to 

668
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:44,000
wolf. 
No. 

669
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,000
When you learn about a change, 
it's always been that way. 

670
00:38:48,290 --> 00:38:54,010
So you can go back to, you know,
15 hundreds when they were 

671
00:38:54,010 --> 00:38:57,530
Matthew Henry's commentaries and
he'll be talking about the wolf 

672
00:38:57,530 --> 00:39:00,130
laying down with Lamb because 
that's the timeline that you're 

673
00:39:00,130 --> 00:39:02,530
in now. 
In fact, it says wolf in the 

674
00:39:02,530 --> 00:39:07,050
Dead Sea Scrolls all the way. 
They have part of the Book of 

675
00:39:07,050 --> 00:39:10,050
Isaiah in these Dead Sea 
Scrolls, which is probably maybe

676
00:39:10,050 --> 00:39:16,690
just 1000 AD and it says wolf. 
So it's a different timeline. 

677
00:39:18,210 --> 00:39:20,810
Parallel jumping, parallel 
universe, right? 

678
00:39:20,850 --> 00:39:24,210
I mean, so what's going on in 
your opinion, parallel universes

679
00:39:24,210 --> 00:39:28,210
is another theory which has 
quite a bit of credence, but 

680
00:39:28,210 --> 00:39:32,010
it's difficult from a Christian 
doctrinal point of view because 

681
00:39:32,010 --> 00:39:35,930
we have passages that say things
like it's destined for man to 

682
00:39:35,930 --> 00:39:40,050
die once and then judgment. 
And so it's it's difficult to 

683
00:39:40,050 --> 00:39:43,890
reconcile an infinite number of 
Johns standing before the 

684
00:39:43,890 --> 00:39:46,850
judgment seat. 
And that makes sense, right? 

685
00:39:46,850 --> 00:39:48,980
So I don't. 
I don't really know. 

686
00:39:49,500 --> 00:39:52,060
Like I said, what's happening. 
I just know what it isn't. 

687
00:39:52,980 --> 00:39:56,300
So let me ask you a question. 
When you go to sleep and you, 

688
00:39:56,300 --> 00:39:59,740
you have a vivid dream, right? 
You enter into this dream world.

689
00:40:00,060 --> 00:40:03,900
What realm is that for you? 
How do you kind of put 

690
00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:06,820
parameters or define that? 
World, That's a great question. 

691
00:40:07,580 --> 00:40:12,420
OK, so if your child has a 
nightmare and they come into 

692
00:40:12,420 --> 00:40:16,920
your bedroom crying, what does 
the parents say to the child to 

693
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,480
try to calm them down? 
It's OK. 

694
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,080
It wasn't real. 
Thank. 

695
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:26,080
You exactly. 
Well, my parents didn't. 

696
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,480
They were like, what happened? 
Well, you hit it right on the 

697
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,160
head. 
They try to console the child by

698
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,280
letting them know it wasn't 
real. 

699
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,800
OK? 
However, if you go to the Bible,

700
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:42,200
you have many accounts of angels
visiting, like Mary or no 

701
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,000
Joseph. 
Joseph thought that Mary had 

702
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,470
fooled around on her and and an 
Angel comes to Joseph and says, 

703
00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:52,030
you know, don't divorce her, 
what she's conceived as of God. 

704
00:40:52,030 --> 00:40:53,950
So an Angel comes to you in a 
dream. 

705
00:40:53,950 --> 00:40:56,510
Well, is that real? 
Yeah. 

706
00:40:57,270 --> 00:40:59,430
It's it's riddled through all 
throughout the Bible. 

707
00:40:59,430 --> 00:41:02,510
And yeah, it also depends just 
depends on your your view. 

708
00:41:02,510 --> 00:41:04,750
I mean I I hold to a 
supernatural view. 

709
00:41:04,990 --> 00:41:08,110
I see supernatural threads all 
throughout the Bible. 

710
00:41:08,590 --> 00:41:11,870
But it's just OK. 
But you asked me about the dream

711
00:41:11,870 --> 00:41:14,670
state. 
The dream state is more real 

712
00:41:15,350 --> 00:41:19,150
than the awakened state and it's
a it is a Jacob's ladder. 

713
00:41:20,070 --> 00:41:23,230
Yeah, right. 
I'll take this ladder part of a 

714
00:41:23,230 --> 00:41:28,190
bridge between this realm of of 
the space-time continuum and the

715
00:41:28,190 --> 00:41:31,590
spirit realm, which is the 
internal realm because that's 

716
00:41:31,590 --> 00:41:34,710
what validates That is the fact 
that you have the the Bible, 

717
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:37,670
which speaks authoritatively of 
the spirit realm and the 

718
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:43,350
afterlife telling us that angels
come through this conduit of the

719
00:41:43,350 --> 00:41:46,310
dream state to the person's 
consciousness. 

720
00:41:46,430 --> 00:41:49,430
So when you're in that state of 
alpha sleep or ram or whatever, 

721
00:41:50,110 --> 00:41:53,350
then your spirit man is is in 
the ascendancy and you're able 

722
00:41:53,350 --> 00:41:56,750
to interact with the spirit 
realm much more with 

723
00:41:56,910 --> 00:42:00,310
effortlessly, sort of. 
When you fast you know the flesh

724
00:42:00,310 --> 00:42:03,430
is in town and the spirits up in
the ascendancy. 

725
00:42:03,430 --> 00:42:04,910
So same thing when you're 
asleep. 

726
00:42:05,550 --> 00:42:07,620
Interesting. 
Now I remember when I was 

727
00:42:07,620 --> 00:42:11,420
younger, I was always told I had
an over imagination, right? 

728
00:42:11,780 --> 00:42:15,100
I had a stutter. 
I had some issues with speaking 

729
00:42:15,100 --> 00:42:17,740
when I was a kid, but I could do
artwork. 

730
00:42:17,940 --> 00:42:21,420
I was producing artwork in the 
kindergarten that was 2nd, 3rd, 

731
00:42:21,420 --> 00:42:24,220
4th grade level. 
I always have had this very 

732
00:42:24,220 --> 00:42:28,540
vivid and creative imagination 
and it's interesting because you

733
00:42:28,540 --> 00:42:30,500
know, I grew up in the 90s, 
right? 

734
00:42:30,500 --> 00:42:32,740
So I'm born in 88. 
I'm a 90s kid. 

735
00:42:33,330 --> 00:42:37,530
And it's just so fascinating 
that now is a grown man with 

736
00:42:37,530 --> 00:42:40,450
kids of my own. 
I'm like, I wouldn't trade this 

737
00:42:40,450 --> 00:42:43,450
imagination for the world. 
Like, I just wouldn't do it 

738
00:42:43,930 --> 00:42:45,490
right. 
You know, I love when I can read

739
00:42:45,490 --> 00:42:47,610
the Bible and it makes me come 
alive. 

740
00:42:47,610 --> 00:42:50,330
And then I question and wander 
about these different things and

741
00:42:50,570 --> 00:42:54,930
doing artwork based on 
Revelation 4, seven through 9. 

742
00:42:54,930 --> 00:42:56,610
Right. 
These Cheribin, the Seraphin, 

743
00:42:56,970 --> 00:42:59,290
the all all of these angelic 
hosts. 

744
00:42:59,730 --> 00:43:01,770
Fascinating. 
And. 

745
00:43:02,430 --> 00:43:08,270
The dream world, I think it's a 
lot, is very closely tied to the

746
00:43:08,270 --> 00:43:11,750
imagination, right? 
And we can have a lot of junk 

747
00:43:11,790 --> 00:43:14,030
that can end up in our mind from
just being. 

748
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,840
I mean, I believe even just 
music at the grocery store is a 

749
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:22,080
level one attack of what I'm I 
consider to be satanic ritual 

750
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:23,440
abuse. 
They're attacking the 

751
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,320
subconscious mind. 
They're they're literally 

752
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,480
throwing garbage in there 
through the secular music. 

753
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,240
I think that extreme. 
I don't expect everybody else 

754
00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:32,720
to. 
I don't care if people agree 

755
00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:34,640
with what I just said or not. 
Don't matter to me. 

756
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,160
Hey, if you don't like the show.
Move on, find another. 

757
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,480
One to love it. 
So I'm going to go there, right?

758
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,400
I'm going to bring it up right. 
That has to be talked about, 

759
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,130
but. 
You know, so let me get another 

760
00:43:47,210 --> 00:43:49,130
before I just get lost on 
another rabbit trail, let me 

761
00:43:49,130 --> 00:43:53,810
bring it back to you now. 
Give me your overall thoughts on

762
00:43:53,810 --> 00:43:57,570
deja vu. 
What do you do with deja vu? 

763
00:43:57,570 --> 00:44:02,290
Where does that fit in and how? 
How would you kind of coach 

764
00:44:02,290 --> 00:44:05,690
somebody into this is what it 
is, in my opinion, This is how 

765
00:44:05,690 --> 00:44:07,050
you deal with it. 
Is it good? 

766
00:44:07,170 --> 00:44:08,730
Bad. 
Help us out here. 

767
00:44:09,450 --> 00:44:13,750
Well, my experience or not 
understanding of deja vu is it's

768
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:17,390
an experience that you have 
where you feel like you've been 

769
00:44:17,390 --> 00:44:18,990
here before. 
Is that what you believe? 

770
00:44:19,830 --> 00:44:22,470
Well, yeah, that's how I express
it. 

771
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:24,950
Yes. 
It's almost like I can tell you 

772
00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:27,550
exactly what's going to happen 
in 54321, right? 

773
00:44:27,750 --> 00:44:29,590
Like I've been in this very 
moment before. 

774
00:44:29,630 --> 00:44:31,550
I I literally have seen all of 
this. 

775
00:44:31,790 --> 00:44:34,950
I know how, what, that person's 
how they're going to finish 

776
00:44:34,950 --> 00:44:37,910
their sentence. 
And it's just very strange, 

777
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:40,950
overwhelming feeling. 
I wouldn't say it's it's fearful

778
00:44:40,950 --> 00:44:43,070
by any means. 
There's almost a level of 

779
00:44:43,070 --> 00:44:48,190
fascination and kind of like 
it's magnificent and that's how 

780
00:44:48,190 --> 00:44:55,110
I've experienced it. 
Yeah, well, in in context of our

781
00:44:55,110 --> 00:44:58,030
conversation, it's different 
than the Mandela Effect because 

782
00:44:58,110 --> 00:45:02,950
it's a feeling that you have a 
familiarity, whereas the Mandela

783
00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:07,310
Effect is a memory of something 
that does exist that's 

784
00:45:07,310 --> 00:45:08,670
different. 
So that's the first. 

785
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:10,430
That's the first thing I would 
point out. 

786
00:45:12,190 --> 00:45:16,030
I do believe that what you were 
saying before ties to deja vu, 

787
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:20,750
that the dream world and the 
imagination and even Christian 

788
00:45:20,750 --> 00:45:25,070
faith are very much tied 
together, and that that they 

789
00:45:25,070 --> 00:45:28,710
impact one another. 
So, for instance, you have the 

790
00:45:28,750 --> 00:45:33,190
biblical teaching in Mark 1123. 
Whosoever shall say to this 

791
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:35,790
mountain be thou removed, cast 
into the sea, and shall not 

792
00:45:35,790 --> 00:45:39,510
doubt in his heart, but believes
the things that he says will 

793
00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:42,720
come to pass, He will have 
whatever he says. 

794
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:48,440
Now that's A and then it goes on
to say, when you pray, believe 

795
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,520
that you've already received it,
and then you'll have it. 

796
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:57,560
So that's Jesus instructing us 
how to get your prayers 

797
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,040
answered. 
Now that technique or that 

798
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:09,950
principle has been adopted by 
you know non Christians and you 

799
00:46:09,950 --> 00:46:13,270
know like the secret and and 
visualizing what you want. 

800
00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:16,390
But it's it was something that 
God gave us. 

801
00:46:16,510 --> 00:46:21,110
So in Hebrews it says God speaks
those things that are not as 

802
00:46:21,110 --> 00:46:24,030
though they are. 
That's the voice of faith. 

803
00:46:24,590 --> 00:46:28,390
Exactly. 
And so your imagination that God

804
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:32,830
gave you is a big part of faith.
You have to use outbound 

805
00:46:32,830 --> 00:46:36,550
thoughts because most of us 
aren't thinking about what we're

806
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:39,380
thinking about. 
So we're ruled by our mind and 

807
00:46:39,380 --> 00:46:42,580
it's just running wild. 
Like especially at night if 

808
00:46:42,580 --> 00:46:46,580
you're trying to go to sleep and
you have insomnia, it's because 

809
00:46:46,580 --> 00:46:48,980
you're having all of your 
thoughts are inbound. 

810
00:46:48,980 --> 00:46:54,140
So what we have to do is learn 
to possess our vessels and begin

811
00:46:54,140 --> 00:46:58,100
to think about what we're 
thinking about and and decide 

812
00:46:58,180 --> 00:47:02,340
what the thoughts are that are 
going to give you peace, health,

813
00:47:02,700 --> 00:47:06,700
prosperity and because and this 
is not new age teaching, this is

814
00:47:06,700 --> 00:47:11,620
mark 1123 and 24 teaching and as
a man thinketh in his heart so 

815
00:47:11,620 --> 00:47:13,900
is he. 
It's Proverbs, right? 

816
00:47:14,060 --> 00:47:14,900
Right. 
Yeah. 

817
00:47:14,900 --> 00:47:17,140
And then take captive every 
thought into the obedience of 

818
00:47:17,140 --> 00:47:19,140
Christ. 
We are to be made new by the 

819
00:47:19,140 --> 00:47:21,500
renewing of our mind. 
It's it's very fascinating. 

820
00:47:21,500 --> 00:47:22,900
I'm tracking right with you, 
yeah. 

821
00:47:23,460 --> 00:47:30,860
And so you know, in that realm 
of of being aware of these 

822
00:47:31,220 --> 00:47:36,350
faculties of the soul, the mind,
the will and the emotions, there

823
00:47:36,350 --> 00:47:40,030
is a faculty which is called 
intuition. 

824
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:44,510
And it's a knowing, it's a it's 
a knowing beyond knowing. 

825
00:47:44,510 --> 00:47:47,710
It's there's a, there's a 
scripture that says let the 

826
00:47:47,710 --> 00:47:52,830
peace of God which passes 
knowledge, keep your hearts and 

827
00:47:52,830 --> 00:47:56,710
minds in Christ Jesus. 
And so that what term passes 

828
00:47:56,710 --> 00:48:01,230
knowledge in the original is 
it's epinosis or beyond 

829
00:48:01,310 --> 00:48:04,420
knowledge? 
Does that fall in line with 

830
00:48:04,420 --> 00:48:06,900
discernment by chance? 
Absolutely. 

831
00:48:07,380 --> 00:48:10,900
So there's another scripture 
that says, and those by reason 

832
00:48:10,900 --> 00:48:14,220
of use are able to discern good 
from evil. 

833
00:48:14,860 --> 00:48:19,460
So what that tells me is that 
you can get better at discerning

834
00:48:20,140 --> 00:48:27,260
and you can get better at, you 
know, cultivating a mind that's 

835
00:48:27,260 --> 00:48:30,780
under control. 
It's not running wild because 

836
00:48:30,780 --> 00:48:35,800
typically the, the, the, the 
teaching that Jesus gave is so 

837
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:40,000
undervalued, which is don't 
worry about tomorrow because 

838
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,560
today has enough evil of its 
own. 

839
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:45,880
Well, that's the whole message 
of Buddhism is is, is living in 

840
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,960
the now OK? 
Because all of the emotional 

841
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:53,280
pain, the depression, the anger,
the fear, you're either drawing 

842
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,240
it from your past, from regret, 
right, woulda, coulda, shoulda, 

843
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:02,190
or you're pulling it from the 
future about all what's going to

844
00:49:02,190 --> 00:49:04,510
happen. 
And I don't have enough money 

845
00:49:04,510 --> 00:49:08,230
and I'm alone or whatever your 
fears are, they're either behind

846
00:49:08,230 --> 00:49:12,390
you or in front of you. 
But in the moment, the Buddhists

847
00:49:12,390 --> 00:49:14,790
have a term called chop wood, 
carry water. 

848
00:49:15,670 --> 00:49:19,230
And what that means is don't 
overlay A narrative over 

849
00:49:19,230 --> 00:49:23,070
everything. 
So if you're chopping wood, just

850
00:49:23,070 --> 00:49:25,710
chop the wood. 
Be in the moment and don't be 

851
00:49:25,710 --> 00:49:30,190
like, oh, this is so hot out and
I've got so much wood to chop, 

852
00:49:31,130 --> 00:49:32,490
How long is this going to take 
me? 

853
00:49:32,490 --> 00:49:39,370
So you're miserable, right? 
So the the whole whole Buddhist 

854
00:49:40,010 --> 00:49:45,610
teaching is to empty your mind. 
It's to not think, which seems 

855
00:49:45,610 --> 00:49:50,330
counterintuitive, but it's 
really magical because I was 

856
00:49:50,330 --> 00:49:53,930
struggling with that after, you 
know, after my wife asked me to 

857
00:49:53,930 --> 00:49:57,010
leave, which, by the way, I did 
not leave. 

858
00:49:57,650 --> 00:50:02,510
I was asked to leave. 
And so I am lying in my bed and 

859
00:50:02,550 --> 00:50:07,910
I'm, you know, tormented with 
all kinds of negative emotions, 

860
00:50:08,550 --> 00:50:11,310
can't go to sleep, And I'm like,
this is not working. 

861
00:50:11,310 --> 00:50:16,190
OK, God, I need, I need to, 
like, rise above my I'm not, I'm

862
00:50:16,190 --> 00:50:20,430
not defined by anything except 
who's I am. 

863
00:50:21,390 --> 00:50:25,350
So I should be able to walk in 
peace and joy in the midst of 

864
00:50:25,350 --> 00:50:28,190
this trial. 
And so I realized in my bed 

865
00:50:28,900 --> 00:50:31,700
right next to me, is a pillow, 
and there's no pain there. 

866
00:50:31,700 --> 00:50:36,180
All the pain is inside of me. 
And so I started to bring my 

867
00:50:36,180 --> 00:50:40,300
thoughts only to my breathing, 
and I would focus on my breath 

868
00:50:40,300 --> 00:50:41,820
going in and my breath going 
out. 

869
00:50:41,820 --> 00:50:45,940
Then I would just picture peace 
on a screen in front of me. 

870
00:50:46,780 --> 00:50:50,980
And almost instantly, all of the
pain left me. 

871
00:50:51,420 --> 00:50:52,580
I almost started. 
I did. 

872
00:50:52,580 --> 00:50:56,700
I started laughing a couple 
times because I realized I was 

873
00:50:56,700 --> 00:51:04,160
creating all this, this pain. 
And so all of our of of our 

874
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,680
teachings in the scripture bring
us to a place where we should be

875
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:13,720
walking in victory and we should
have the joy of the Lord and the

876
00:51:13,720 --> 00:51:16,680
peace of God. 
And if we don't have that, it's 

877
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:20,800
because we're probably dwelling 
on the past and the future. 

878
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,200
And Jesus taught it. 
It's not new age. 

879
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:27,280
It's don't worry about tomorrow.
Today has enough. 

880
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,560
Can you add 1 cubit to your 
height? 

881
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:35,480
He said by worrying no. 
One of the contentions is, is 

882
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:39,000
that new? 
This is new age, this is fringy 

883
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:40,640
rod. 
Why are you talking about this? 

884
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:45,480
And it's like, no, a lot of 
things have been stolen. 

885
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,560
Thank you from. 
The truth of God's word, What is

886
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:53,770
His intended purposes for us? 
And the enemy has given us a 

887
00:51:53,770 --> 00:51:57,930
religious context to be able to 
be completely bored and 

888
00:51:57,930 --> 00:52:02,650
terrified and and distraught in.
And that's why you know, men who

889
00:52:02,930 --> 00:52:05,340
I mean honestly. 
A lot of men don't have the 

890
00:52:05,340 --> 00:52:08,340
correct level of testosterone 
because they're using plastic 

891
00:52:08,340 --> 00:52:10,900
water bottles that have BPA and 
it and it's affecting your 

892
00:52:10,900 --> 00:52:13,460
testosterone level. 
And that's one of about 100 

893
00:52:13,460 --> 00:52:15,700
things that affects the male 
body, right? 

894
00:52:16,780 --> 00:52:19,740
That keeps us, I guess you could
say, makes us aquacious, just 

895
00:52:19,740 --> 00:52:21,180
gets us to shut up, be good 
little boys. 

896
00:52:21,180 --> 00:52:23,380
We're going to go with the flow.
But that's not the way God 

897
00:52:23,380 --> 00:52:26,800
intended us to be. 
God is dangerous, right? 

898
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,320
He, he's good, but but he's 
terribly dangerous. 

899
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,280
He's the great warrior that goes
out before us to battle. 

900
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:37,640
I mean he has angels that slay 
100,000 of the enemy in the 

901
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,440
middle of the night. 
I forget, I think it was the 

902
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,160
enemies Israel at the time, the 
Old Testament. 

903
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:46,160
But, but Long story short, what 
I'm getting at is we have a 

904
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,740
generation of people that. 
It seems to be like there's this

905
00:52:50,340 --> 00:52:54,820
religious spirit or judgmental 
spirit that inhabits most of the

906
00:52:54,820 --> 00:52:58,340
quote UN quote Christians today.
Because if you are finding 

907
00:52:58,340 --> 00:53:01,940
answers, if you're finding 
peace, that surpasses the 

908
00:53:01,940 --> 00:53:06,820
world's understanding, right? 
But your fringe to them, How do 

909
00:53:06,820 --> 00:53:09,220
you deal with this, right Go go 
to your pastor, go to the 

910
00:53:09,220 --> 00:53:11,260
priest, or wherever you find 
yourself. 

911
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,400
And you actually ask him to 
break down and tell you how to 

912
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,000
take your thoughts captive to 
the obedience of Christ. 

913
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,200
Like don't just read me that 
verse when I show up, I don't 

914
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,440
know, 1-2 days a week and and 
you request your 10% from me, 

915
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:29,320
but demonstrate that and and 
convince me that that it's not 

916
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,880
just something being thrown at 
the wall to see what sticks. 

917
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,520
Yes. 
A lot of people find themselves 

918
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,200
like, we're all the way over on 
this side. 

919
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,320
We're super fringe. 
We're talking and it's like, no.

920
00:53:40,010 --> 00:53:42,370
God has good plans for us. 
He's a good father. 

921
00:53:43,130 --> 00:53:45,770
The Bible says my people are 
destroyed for their lack of 

922
00:53:45,770 --> 00:53:47,010
knowledge. 
Right. 

923
00:53:47,010 --> 00:53:48,330
We're destroyed for our lack of 
knowledge. 

924
00:53:48,490 --> 00:53:51,370
It also says the study to show 
ourselves well approved. 

925
00:53:51,610 --> 00:53:53,770
That means one of the biggest 
religions right now. 

926
00:53:53,770 --> 00:53:56,610
And I don't bash people. 
I just am not religious. 

927
00:53:56,690 --> 00:53:58,210
I I'm more of a spiritual 
person. 

928
00:53:58,250 --> 00:54:01,410
I believe in the birth, the 
death, the burial, the 

929
00:54:01,410 --> 00:54:04,690
resurrection of Yahushua, Hama 
Shia, Jesus the Christ. 

930
00:54:05,010 --> 00:54:08,380
Other than that, I was a wild. 
Guy blowing in the wind. 

931
00:54:08,380 --> 00:54:09,660
I didn't even grow up in the 
church. 

932
00:54:09,660 --> 00:54:12,940
That got me in the door. 
A lot of the times you'll have 

933
00:54:13,260 --> 00:54:16,300
these people that they just have
nowhere to go with this 

934
00:54:16,300 --> 00:54:19,980
information. 
But God wants us to be sharp, to

935
00:54:19,980 --> 00:54:22,820
sharpen each other. 
And during this whole process, 

936
00:54:22,820 --> 00:54:28,140
John having love because it 
covers a multitude of sins and 

937
00:54:28,140 --> 00:54:29,700
we can have all this other 
information. 

938
00:54:29,700 --> 00:54:32,860
But if we don't have love 
banging symbols, man. 

939
00:54:33,660 --> 00:54:37,140
Really, if you get into your 
Bible and and people stop 

940
00:54:37,140 --> 00:54:41,100
spending the time and the energy
rejecting conversations like 

941
00:54:41,100 --> 00:54:44,300
this and just sat back and 
listened and prayed about it and

942
00:54:44,300 --> 00:54:49,260
went and did their own research,
they became a Berean because the

943
00:54:49,260 --> 00:54:52,980
Bereans, they were with a 
readiness of mind, accepted all 

944
00:54:52,980 --> 00:54:55,460
of that which could be found in 
the word. 

945
00:54:56,100 --> 00:54:59,060
They weren't just led astray by 
any like verse or any theory 

946
00:54:59,060 --> 00:54:59,980
that came their way. 
No. 

947
00:54:59,980 --> 00:55:01,980
They went and tested it against 
the word of truth. 

948
00:55:02,500 --> 00:55:06,220
And I think a lot of the times 
when we dig deep, you will 

949
00:55:06,220 --> 00:55:09,780
become fringe if you dig deep, 
if you have a hunger for God's 

950
00:55:09,780 --> 00:55:13,220
word. 
This is impossible to to just 

951
00:55:13,860 --> 00:55:16,460
keep digging back in God's word 
to not find these Nuggets. 

952
00:55:16,660 --> 00:55:19,220
It reminds me the verse that 
says it's the glory of God to 

953
00:55:19,220 --> 00:55:24,180
conceal a matter, but the glory 
of the Princess to seek it out 

954
00:55:24,180 --> 00:55:25,900
man. 
So sorry, I just went on too 

955
00:55:25,900 --> 00:55:30,060
much of A rant there. 
Yeah, That's when I know it's 

956
00:55:30,060 --> 00:55:31,780
flowing organically. 
I'm not. 

957
00:55:31,900 --> 00:55:36,460
It's just flowing out. 
So, you know, you talked about 

958
00:55:36,460 --> 00:55:39,420
the ministry you're involved in 
and and I want to talk a little 

959
00:55:39,420 --> 00:55:42,540
bit about where people can find 
you, right, where they can find 

960
00:55:42,540 --> 00:55:44,100
the book. 
Let's talk a little bit about 

961
00:55:44,100 --> 00:55:46,620
your ministry as we kind of 
start to wind down here a little

962
00:55:46,620 --> 00:55:50,460
bit. 
And yeah man, yeah. 

963
00:55:50,460 --> 00:55:55,980
So my website is Wake up 
orelse.com and the book is 

964
00:55:56,140 --> 00:56:00,170
available there or on Amazon. 
So if you go to Amazon, just put

965
00:56:00,170 --> 00:56:02,890
in the Conspiracy Theorist 
Survival Guide. 

966
00:56:02,970 --> 00:56:05,690
It'll come up and I'm sure 
you'll probably have a link in 

967
00:56:05,690 --> 00:56:08,810
the in the notes below the 
podcast probably. 

968
00:56:08,810 --> 00:56:10,890
Right, absolutely. 
I'm going to add a bunch of 

969
00:56:10,890 --> 00:56:14,890
links in the show notes, but 
yeah, right. 

970
00:56:14,890 --> 00:56:18,250
And So what what I'm doing that 
last year I did a talk every 

971
00:56:18,250 --> 00:56:23,890
Sunday for the truth or journey,
and now at the end of the year, 

972
00:56:23,890 --> 00:56:28,450
God pointed me out. 
So now the ministry is going out

973
00:56:28,450 --> 00:56:33,050
to the church because in our 
experience, 9899% of Christians 

974
00:56:33,050 --> 00:56:36,170
and church leaders either don't 
know that their Bible is 

975
00:56:36,170 --> 00:56:41,530
supernaturally changing or they 
have been told and they're 

976
00:56:41,530 --> 00:56:45,850
ignoring it, or they actually do
know it's changing and they 

977
00:56:45,850 --> 00:56:49,690
don't want it to be changing. 
So they're keeping it secret. 

978
00:56:51,690 --> 00:56:59,000
Now I just released a AA1 hour 
video that was basically 

979
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,440
addressing should we warn 
everybody? 

980
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,240
And of course God warns us to 
warn. 

981
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:06,920
He says if you don't warn the 
wicked, I'll hold you 

982
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,520
accountable. 
So and then there's one passage 

983
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:14,600
in Acts where Paul says, I, I, 
I, I admonished you for three 

984
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:16,480
years, day and night, with 
tears. 

985
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,960
So Paul and all the apostles and
Jesus and all the patriarchs 

986
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,120
spent most of their time 
warning. 

987
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:28,720
So it's absolutely the mandate 
of the Bible to tell the entire 

988
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:34,600
body of Christ that their Bible 
now is filled with biblical 

989
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:43,400
paradoxes, pornographic 
innuendo, confusion, grammatical

990
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,520
and spelling errors. 
And the the the fact that the 

991
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:51,380
church leaders can't see it is 
probably more astonishing than 

992
00:57:51,380 --> 00:57:54,060
the phenomenon itself, because 
it's so obvious. 

993
00:57:54,500 --> 00:57:59,060
And I make I can give you some 
examples of these changes. 

994
00:57:59,060 --> 00:58:03,020
So if you like, we can go there.
I don't so. 

995
00:58:04,060 --> 00:58:05,220
Yeah, yeah. 
Let's hear a couple. 

996
00:58:06,660 --> 00:58:13,420
So there's two different groups.
One is King James only. 

997
00:58:13,420 --> 00:58:16,030
And then there's the universal 
universals. 

998
00:58:16,030 --> 00:58:21,950
Changes appear in every Bible 
pretty much, and so some of 

999
00:58:21,950 --> 00:58:23,590
these are very vivid, some are 
not. 

1000
00:58:23,590 --> 00:58:28,350
But I just saw one yesterday. 
Many people will remember when 

1001
00:58:28,470 --> 00:58:33,630
Jesus healed a man by using his 
spit and and he made mud out of 

1002
00:58:33,630 --> 00:58:34,990
it. 
Well, now there's a passage 

1003
00:58:34,990 --> 00:58:37,270
where Jesus spits right in the 
guy's eyes. 

1004
00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:39,950
Well, that's very, very 
unfamiliar. 

1005
00:58:40,910 --> 00:58:45,100
Jesus spitting in people's faces
or Jesus saying, you know, for 

1006
00:58:45,100 --> 00:58:48,740
those who don't follow me, bring
them here before me and slay 

1007
00:58:48,740 --> 00:58:54,500
them is in your Bible now and in
the Lyticus 12 verse eight. 

1008
00:58:54,540 --> 00:58:58,660
It now teaches that the people 
of Israel can sacrifice turtles 

1009
00:58:58,660 --> 00:59:03,420
to God instead of pigeons. 
They don't have enough money and

1010
00:59:03,420 --> 00:59:08,740
you can offer female sheep and 
instead of there was two men in 

1011
00:59:08,740 --> 00:59:12,620
a field, now there's two men in 
a bed and two women grinding. 

1012
00:59:13,470 --> 00:59:18,430
And men are breastfeeding now in
the Bible and there's female 

1013
00:59:18,430 --> 00:59:25,030
angels in the Bible. 
And there's variety of different

1014
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:28,070
pornographic scenarios. 
One, one of them was with David 

1015
00:59:28,070 --> 00:59:32,430
and Jonathan, and I remember it 
used to say the love that David 

1016
00:59:32,430 --> 00:59:34,830
had for Jonathan was greater 
than the love of woman. 

1017
00:59:34,950 --> 00:59:39,270
That's all it said. 
And I remember 20-30 years ago, 

1018
00:59:39,270 --> 00:59:42,150
because I was in the ministry 
for like 10 years full time and 

1019
00:59:42,150 --> 00:59:45,300
20 years lay ministry. 
So I've been in the ministry for

1020
00:59:45,300 --> 00:59:49,900
30 years and I mean on the 
platform, not attending church 

1021
00:59:50,540 --> 00:59:54,540
on the platform. 
And I remember reading that but 

1022
00:59:54,540 --> 00:59:59,020
20 years ago and thinking, oh, 
you know, people might try to 

1023
00:59:59,020 --> 01:00:03,260
suggest that they were gay. 
Well, now it, it says that 

1024
01:00:03,260 --> 01:00:08,620
Jonathan strips naked in front 
of David and they fall on one 

1025
01:00:08,620 --> 01:00:11,140
another kissing each other in 
passion. 

1026
01:00:11,740 --> 01:00:15,570
And then? 
And then it says, and then David

1027
01:00:15,570 --> 01:00:18,970
exceeded. 
Well, what that word means is 

1028
01:00:18,970 --> 01:00:22,090
it. 
It means he grew as in his body.

1029
01:00:24,730 --> 01:00:28,170
So you got two guys stripping 
naked, kissing each other, and 

1030
01:00:28,170 --> 01:00:29,730
then somebody's growing in their
body. 

1031
01:00:29,730 --> 01:00:31,410
I'll let you draw your own 
conclusions. 

1032
01:00:31,930 --> 01:00:36,770
And then revelation says Jesus 
has paps, which is mastos, and 

1033
01:00:36,770 --> 01:00:40,130
that's female breasts. 
So now Jesus is is being 

1034
01:00:40,130 --> 01:00:43,410
pictured as a baffle man, 
basically half man, half woman. 

1035
01:00:44,770 --> 01:00:51,330
And then there's a lot of 
unfamiliar scriptures like if 

1036
01:00:51,330 --> 01:00:55,850
you ask a pastor, hey pastor who
who wrestled with Jacob all 

1037
01:00:55,850 --> 01:00:59,210
night and he'll tell you oh an 
Angel. 

1038
01:00:59,210 --> 01:01:04,130
Well, now it says he wrestled 
with a man or pastor who went 

1039
01:01:04,130 --> 01:01:07,770
into the land of Egypt and 
killed the first born. 

1040
01:01:08,810 --> 01:01:10,610
And he'll say, well, it was the 
death Angel. 

1041
01:01:10,770 --> 01:01:14,010
Well, now it's the Lord. 
The Lord went in and killed him.

1042
01:01:14,810 --> 01:01:18,850
Or you'll say Pastor, who cut 
Sampson's hair was Delilah. 

1043
01:01:18,850 --> 01:01:22,250
No, it was. 
Now the Philistines or Moses and

1044
01:01:22,250 --> 01:01:23,570
Aaron are in front of the 
Pharaoh. 

1045
01:01:23,650 --> 01:01:28,210
And who threw down their staff? 
Well, Moses, no, now it's Aaron.

1046
01:01:28,930 --> 01:01:32,490
So these are very familiar 
passages that I can go into a 

1047
01:01:32,490 --> 01:01:38,060
pastor's office and stump him 10
out of 10, which is so 

1048
01:01:38,140 --> 01:01:43,260
statistically impossible. 
Yeah, absolutely crazy. 

1049
01:01:43,260 --> 01:01:46,540
So what I'm thinking right off 
the bat is CERN is up to no 

1050
01:01:46,540 --> 01:01:48,660
good. 
We are all currently in a 

1051
01:01:48,660 --> 01:01:52,020
parallel dimension and nothing 
is as it seems, right. 

1052
01:01:52,660 --> 01:01:57,340
Something's terribly wrong if 
what you're telling me is what 

1053
01:01:57,340 --> 01:01:58,780
your conclusions have come up 
to. 

1054
01:01:59,140 --> 01:02:02,660
So I know Doctor Chuck Missler 
used to say if you torture the 

1055
01:02:02,660 --> 01:02:05,580
text, you can almost get it to 
say whatever you want. 

1056
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:08,360
Right. 
And when we look at the Hebrew 

1057
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,120
and the Greek, it's really 
interesting how precise that 

1058
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,600
language is. 
But the English, and there's 

1059
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:15,440
something wrong with the English
language. 

1060
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,560
I believe that there's certain 
words in the English that I 

1061
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:23,440
believe are cast spells or 
incantations, right? 

1062
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:27,600
That I think it's a hybrid root 
of different pronunciations that

1063
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:31,600
were used in the old veneration 
and worship of the lowercase G 

1064
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:35,160
elohim from the Old Testament 
that's referenced many times 

1065
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:38,140
through. 
And I think the day and age that

1066
01:02:38,140 --> 01:02:42,220
we're living in, it applies more
now than ever to do not be 

1067
01:02:42,220 --> 01:02:46,620
deceived, do not be deceived. 
You know, to flip through verses

1068
01:02:46,620 --> 01:02:51,100
and and to hear Okay, David and 
and Jonathan have some, you 

1069
01:02:51,100 --> 01:02:53,180
know, gay romance. 
I'm not buying it. 

1070
01:02:53,420 --> 01:02:57,420
I'm not buying it. 
I know God is is pure and He's 

1071
01:02:57,460 --> 01:03:00,460
of light, and He's given us a 
certain order and a natural. 

1072
01:03:01,100 --> 01:03:04,420
Way to work within things. 
But the opposition is so 

1073
01:03:04,420 --> 01:03:07,980
overwhelming in this day and age
that I believe people are are 

1074
01:03:07,980 --> 01:03:12,180
literally down the rabbit trail 
too far to forget the fact that 

1075
01:03:12,180 --> 01:03:15,980
they're not to be deceived. 
So yeah, that that's my 

1076
01:03:15,980 --> 01:03:18,860
conclusion on that. 
Yes. 

1077
01:03:18,860 --> 01:03:23,380
So of course this is a very 
polarized topic, and the Bible 

1078
01:03:23,380 --> 01:03:27,700
seems to teach that it couldn't 
be subject to such an external 

1079
01:03:27,700 --> 01:03:31,190
attack like this. 
So most Christians and pastors 

1080
01:03:31,190 --> 01:03:35,670
will become very irate when we 
suggest that the changes that 

1081
01:03:35,670 --> 01:03:39,910
are happening in the world 
include the Bible because they 

1082
01:03:39,910 --> 01:03:41,630
have this doctrine that it can't
change. 

1083
01:03:41,630 --> 01:03:45,470
Well, we all believe that too, 
until it started changing. 

1084
01:03:46,390 --> 01:03:50,230
And So what we had to do is go 
back into the Bible and say, 

1085
01:03:50,230 --> 01:03:53,590
well, God's not a liar, He's not
contradicting himself. 

1086
01:03:53,590 --> 01:03:57,870
So what that means is the Bible 
must not be teaching that it 

1087
01:03:57,870 --> 01:04:01,860
can't change. 
And So what we found is that the

1088
01:04:01,860 --> 01:04:06,180
passages that are being used to 
suggest that it can't change are

1089
01:04:06,180 --> 01:04:12,980
actually very unclear. 
So for instance, one of the main

1090
01:04:12,980 --> 01:04:17,980
ones is Thy word is forever 
settled in Heaven is a passage 

1091
01:04:17,980 --> 01:04:23,460
that's used to suggest that the 
Bible wouldn't be able to be 

1092
01:04:23,460 --> 01:04:26,420
changed by the Mandel effect. 
But it doesn't. 

1093
01:04:26,580 --> 01:04:29,810
That doesn't really say that the
Bible couldn't change. 

1094
01:04:30,330 --> 01:04:32,810
It might be settled in heaven, 
but not on earth. 

1095
01:04:34,090 --> 01:04:38,490
And So what we found was there's
a distinction between the term 

1096
01:04:38,490 --> 01:04:41,210
Scripture and the term Word of 
God. 

1097
01:04:42,290 --> 01:04:44,570
And we've been taught from the 
front of the room all our 

1098
01:04:44,570 --> 01:04:46,090
Christian life that they're the 
same. 

1099
01:04:46,090 --> 01:04:51,420
But they aren't. 
Yeah, the Word of God is is 

1100
01:04:51,420 --> 01:04:54,420
Christ. 
The Word became flesh, yes. 

1101
01:04:54,820 --> 01:04:57,780
You have the word that never. 
It's there forever. 

1102
01:04:58,020 --> 01:05:02,940
Now all scripture is given by 
inspiration of God. 

1103
01:05:03,820 --> 01:05:07,180
So these are these are things 
that should be relative. 

1104
01:05:07,180 --> 01:05:10,100
If people are taking the Bible 
serious and they're diving into 

1105
01:05:10,100 --> 01:05:13,740
these kind of topics, they they 
should be aware of these things.

1106
01:05:13,980 --> 01:05:16,980
Hermeneutical hygiene. 
This is, this is important. 

1107
01:05:17,020 --> 01:05:20,580
This is very important because 
we know that which is corrupted 

1108
01:05:20,580 --> 01:05:23,540
cannot bring forth that which is
pure and true. 

1109
01:05:23,820 --> 01:05:27,860
So if I have a filter that is 
compromised, I cannot use that 

1110
01:05:27,860 --> 01:05:32,260
filter to purge whatever I'm 
filtrating through it to become 

1111
01:05:32,260 --> 01:05:35,500
better on the other end. 
So there's a lot of people out 

1112
01:05:35,500 --> 01:05:37,820
there who do not know how to 
handle the word to God because 

1113
01:05:37,820 --> 01:05:39,380
they do not have the Holy 
Spirit. 

1114
01:05:39,380 --> 01:05:42,540
The Ruakakwadesh does not reside
within them. 

1115
01:05:43,060 --> 01:05:46,020
You know there's many who parade
as if they are an Angel of 

1116
01:05:46,020 --> 01:05:49,260
light, but they are of darkness 
and wickedness and you shall 

1117
01:05:49,260 --> 01:05:52,580
know them by their fruits. 
And and this is what I'm going 

1118
01:05:52,580 --> 01:05:55,660
to say to my audience right now.
You guys need to study to show 

1119
01:05:55,660 --> 01:05:58,700
yourselves well approved. 
If you think it's cool to have 

1120
01:05:58,700 --> 01:06:03,220
the LBGTQ in your church or 
paint your steps like a rainbow,

1121
01:06:03,860 --> 01:06:06,020
you are wrong. 
I'm going to tell you right now.

1122
01:06:06,020 --> 01:06:08,340
God told us what the rainbow was
was for. 

1123
01:06:08,340 --> 01:06:11,620
It was a sign. 
It was a covenant that he had 

1124
01:06:11,620 --> 01:06:14,100
made with the inhabitants of the
earth, that he would never flood

1125
01:06:14,100 --> 01:06:17,340
the entire earth in its entirety
again. 

1126
01:06:17,700 --> 01:06:19,980
That's a covenant. 
And and the reason it has a bow 

1127
01:06:19,980 --> 01:06:22,540
to it is because there's a Dome 
and it's reflecting. 

1128
01:06:22,660 --> 01:06:24,300
The light is refracting off the 
Dome. 

1129
01:06:24,300 --> 01:06:27,220
Right. 
Just read your Bible, you guys. 

1130
01:06:27,220 --> 01:06:29,580
And you know, I don't say this, 
whether you agree with what I 

1131
01:06:29,580 --> 01:06:32,100
said or not, John, I'm not 
saying it to step on toes. 

1132
01:06:32,100 --> 01:06:33,260
I'm saying because that's what I
believe. 

1133
01:06:33,260 --> 01:06:36,480
That's what lives inside of me. 
But there are crooked and 

1134
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:40,640
perverse people out there that 
do want to torture the word, and

1135
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:43,400
they want to use this, the 
zeitgeist of information, the 

1136
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:46,200
general consensus of 
information, to try to fit the 

1137
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:50,600
perverse narrative, to make the 
Bible say something It doesn't 

1138
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:56,280
actually say yes. 
And that this is a challenge. 

1139
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:58,960
I mean, the days that we're 
living in, you guys, it is more 

1140
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:03,040
than a challenge to go and to do
some more research to you. 

1141
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:05,510
Go pray about it. 
No closed door. 

1142
01:07:05,510 --> 01:07:09,910
Go into your bedroom and you 
pray in secret and let God let 

1143
01:07:09,910 --> 01:07:13,030
him bless you openly, right? 
Let him fill the table for you 

1144
01:07:13,030 --> 01:07:14,990
to eat at the presence of all of
your enemies. 

1145
01:07:15,270 --> 01:07:17,670
You know the difference between 
talent and anointing, John? 

1146
01:07:18,710 --> 01:07:21,670
Talents can draw people in. 
It can do a bunch of really 

1147
01:07:21,670 --> 01:07:23,830
great creative things. 
It can even change the world to 

1148
01:07:23,830 --> 01:07:25,910
an extent. 
But the anointing breaks the 

1149
01:07:25,910 --> 01:07:27,230
yoke. 
Yes, Hallelujah. 

1150
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:31,640
That breaks the yoke and God 
gives what God gives and no man 

1151
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:34,520
can take it away from you. 
So in the day that we're living 

1152
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:38,240
in I encourage you guys get 
prayed, up, lock arms with 

1153
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:40,200
people and recreate this 
conversation. 

1154
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:43,080
It's okay to go there. 
You guys whether and if you ever

1155
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:47,160
disagree with somebody, have 
respect because you never know 

1156
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:50,880
who you may win over by the way 
that you just continually chip 

1157
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:54,000
away and just love and and go 
into that battle space for the 

1158
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:57,360
and contend for people this time
is sure. 

1159
01:07:57,770 --> 01:08:00,890
You know it is your personal 
rapture when you die and leave 

1160
01:08:00,890 --> 01:08:02,610
this earth. 
It doesn't have to all happens 

1161
01:08:02,890 --> 01:08:05,290
simultaneously at the same time 
for it to actually be the 

1162
01:08:05,290 --> 01:08:07,650
rapture, right. 
Some somebody who's listening 

1163
01:08:07,650 --> 01:08:09,890
right now or me myself. 
We could not be here in two 

1164
01:08:09,890 --> 01:08:12,010
months from now. 
That's the personal day that 

1165
01:08:12,010 --> 01:08:14,650
you're going to meet the Lord. 
So I believe the fear of the 

1166
01:08:14,650 --> 01:08:16,130
Lord needs to come back into the
church. 

1167
01:08:16,330 --> 01:08:19,729
I believe the correct order of 
the direction of the sons of God

1168
01:08:19,729 --> 01:08:22,850
needs to come back into order. 
And I'm speaking life into this 

1169
01:08:22,850 --> 01:08:25,729
episode. 
I'm speaking boldness, bold as a

1170
01:08:25,729 --> 01:08:29,170
lion into this episode from my. 
And listeners, you guys need to 

1171
01:08:29,170 --> 01:08:31,850
get some backbone and you guys 
need to start wrestling through 

1172
01:08:31,850 --> 01:08:34,210
these topics. 
But first and foremost, serve 

1173
01:08:34,210 --> 01:08:36,689
God with all your mind, your 
heart, your body and your soul. 

1174
01:08:37,970 --> 01:08:40,370
That was glorious. 
I totally felt that. 

1175
01:08:40,490 --> 01:08:43,050
I felt the Holy Spirit, and I am
in all of that. 

1176
01:08:43,210 --> 01:08:48,490
And I would just, I would just 
say that I can assure you after 

1177
01:08:48,490 --> 01:08:52,450
seven years that this is 
happening, that God is not a 

1178
01:08:52,450 --> 01:08:56,770
liar. 
He hasn't compromised himself by

1179
01:08:56,770 --> 01:09:01,170
allowing this. 
And Revelation chapter 13 says 

1180
01:09:01,810 --> 01:09:06,490
that that the Antichrist will be
given permission and power to 

1181
01:09:06,490 --> 01:09:09,130
wage war against the Saints and 
to prevail against them. 

1182
01:09:09,729 --> 01:09:12,090
And then Paul says in Second 
Thessalonians that the 

1183
01:09:12,170 --> 01:09:17,250
Antichrist will engage with in 
lying signs and wonders with all

1184
01:09:17,250 --> 01:09:19,609
power. 
That's a very powerful 

1185
01:09:19,609 --> 01:09:22,770
description. 
So and then it was it was 

1186
01:09:22,770 --> 01:09:27,130
prophesied that this would 
happen in Daniel 7 verse 25 that

1187
01:09:27,130 --> 01:09:30,490
the Antichrist would seek to 
change times and laws. 

1188
01:09:31,010 --> 01:09:33,410
I was just about to say that it.
Was just that right? 

1189
01:09:33,890 --> 01:09:35,609
It was right there on the tip of
my tongue. 

1190
01:09:35,770 --> 01:09:38,050
And that word law. 
Right. 

1191
01:09:38,050 --> 01:09:39,210
And what is right? 
Wrong. 

1192
01:09:39,689 --> 01:09:42,810
That's right. 
And so the and the reason you 

1193
01:09:42,810 --> 01:09:45,770
know it's true is if you if you 
realize the Word and the 

1194
01:09:45,770 --> 01:09:49,250
scripture aren't the same, this 
gives us permission to that this

1195
01:09:49,250 --> 01:09:53,600
is happening. 
And God is not his, his His 

1196
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:57,120
infinite divine perfections are 
not compromised in any way 

1197
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:01,560
because what was given to the 
original authors is immutable. 

1198
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:05,560
So what was given back, you 
know, to the original 

1199
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:09,640
patriarchs, will come to pass 
and it will not change. 

1200
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:13,640
That's what immutable means. 
But the the terrestrial book is 

1201
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:15,680
under attack. 
It doesn't have a force field 

1202
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:18,860
around it. 
It's becoming an inaccessible is

1203
01:10:18,860 --> 01:10:22,780
actually a fulfillment of a a 
curse or or prophecy. 

1204
01:10:22,780 --> 01:10:26,020
I'm sorry. 
In Amos 8 verse 12, where it 

1205
01:10:26,020 --> 01:10:30,020
says in the last days there'll 
be a famine, but not of bread, 

1206
01:10:30,340 --> 01:10:33,820
it'll be a famine of the word. 
So we're in this time in history

1207
01:10:33,820 --> 01:10:37,580
where Enoch chapter 80, verse 
two. 

1208
01:10:38,180 --> 01:10:42,980
In that day all things on the 
earth will alter and they will 

1209
01:10:42,980 --> 01:10:46,400
be out of their time. 
I mean he could not have 

1210
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:49,600
described it more perfectly. 
All things on the earth will 

1211
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,880
alter and what they'll be out of
their time. 

1212
01:10:53,440 --> 01:10:58,640
But I I can tell you, you know 
there is a there is a a lesson 

1213
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:03,040
that I did it's 90 minutes and 
it's called the seven Mandela 

1214
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:05,640
Effect. 
Questions that the unconvinced 

1215
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:10,240
cannot answer thereby proving 
the Bible is supernaturally 

1216
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:13,000
changing. 
And what it does is it gets the 

1217
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:16,650
unconvinced to agree. 
I'm not convincing you, you 

1218
01:11:16,650 --> 01:11:19,690
going to, you're going to agree 
with me that it is happening 

1219
01:11:19,810 --> 01:11:22,250
with the questions. 
So if you go over to wake up or 

1220
01:11:22,250 --> 01:11:26,450
else on YouTube and you listen 
to that, you will know that this

1221
01:11:26,450 --> 01:11:28,570
is happening. 
There's no more debate. 

1222
01:11:28,610 --> 01:11:30,410
It is not up for debate any 
longer. 

1223
01:11:30,530 --> 01:11:34,010
This is happening. 
Your Bible is supernaturally 

1224
01:11:34,010 --> 01:11:37,290
changing. 
And we know that because I I can

1225
01:11:37,290 --> 01:11:42,190
stump 100 pastors in a row on 
basic Bible memory questions. 

1226
01:11:42,190 --> 01:11:45,470
But you can't. 
If the pilot gets 10 out of 10 

1227
01:11:45,470 --> 01:11:48,230
wrong, you'd have to assume he 
has mental illness because he 

1228
01:11:48,230 --> 01:11:50,510
wouldn't have been able to fly 
for the last 30 years if he 

1229
01:11:50,510 --> 01:11:55,150
can't identify 10 instruments or
the doctor isn't going to get 10

1230
01:11:55,150 --> 01:11:57,710
out of 10 simple anatomy 
questions wrong. 

1231
01:11:58,310 --> 01:12:02,590
But the pastor does. 
He's a content expert, so that's

1232
01:12:03,550 --> 01:12:06,370
what's that. 
This is why English is a very 

1233
01:12:06,370 --> 01:12:09,530
dangerous language. 
You guys need to get brushed up 

1234
01:12:09,530 --> 01:12:13,210
on your Greek and your Hebrew 
when you're talking, diving into

1235
01:12:13,210 --> 01:12:16,010
the scriptures of my opinion, 
and let me just make a point on 

1236
01:12:16,010 --> 01:12:18,450
that. 
What I found is that when we 

1237
01:12:18,450 --> 01:12:21,330
challenge people, Christians, 
with the idea that their Bible's

1238
01:12:21,330 --> 01:12:25,490
changing and they get the 
question wrong, like judge, not 

1239
01:12:25,770 --> 01:12:29,010
blank he be judged, could you 
fill in the blank? 

1240
01:12:30,530 --> 01:12:34,990
Judge not blank he be judged. 
Lest you be judged right so that

1241
01:12:34,990 --> 01:12:37,830
Scripture that you just said has
never existed in any 

1242
01:12:37,830 --> 01:12:41,990
translation, ever. 
Judge not, Lest she be judged 

1243
01:12:42,430 --> 01:12:46,030
has never existed in the King 
James or any other Bible version

1244
01:12:46,030 --> 01:12:47,830
ever. 
How about this one? 

1245
01:12:49,070 --> 01:12:52,230
The Lord blanks and the Lord 
blanks away. 

1246
01:12:52,630 --> 01:12:56,870
Job Chapter One. 
Job's defending God's honor, his

1247
01:12:56,870 --> 01:12:59,350
wife's haranguing, Him curse, 
got and die. 

1248
01:12:59,350 --> 01:13:02,110
And what does he say? 
The Lord blanks and the Lord. 

1249
01:13:02,750 --> 01:13:05,670
Gives and Lord takes away and 
King give it to me and King 

1250
01:13:05,670 --> 01:13:09,390
James. 
Oh, you want me to open king? 

1251
01:13:09,590 --> 01:13:11,110
No, the Lord. 
You said it. 

1252
01:13:11,230 --> 01:13:13,470
The Lord giveth and the Lord 
taketh away. 

1253
01:13:14,510 --> 01:13:18,910
It's as familiar as apple pie. 
OK, that scripture has never 

1254
01:13:18,910 --> 01:13:21,270
existed in any Bible 
translation. 

1255
01:13:22,190 --> 01:13:26,740
What you just said and 100 
pastors will say that and and 

1256
01:13:26,740 --> 01:13:28,940
every human being in the world 
will say that. 

1257
01:13:29,540 --> 01:13:34,940
What it actually says now in 
this timeline is the Lord gave 

1258
01:13:35,100 --> 01:13:41,380
and the Lord shall take away. 
No, no, 1000 times no. 

1259
01:13:42,860 --> 01:13:46,820
This is one of those. 
I don't see a huge difference 

1260
01:13:46,820 --> 01:13:48,940
with that, honestly. 
The way I remembered is from 

1261
01:13:48,940 --> 01:13:51,620
super book which is a cartoon. 
One of my kids watches a 

1262
01:13:51,700 --> 01:13:54,740
Christian cartoon and. 
The story of Job. 

1263
01:13:55,190 --> 01:13:56,870
Yeah, it's it's, it's 
interesting. 

1264
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:27,400
In English, Rodney and John went
down the street and around the 

1265
01:14:27,400 --> 01:13:58,150
corner, right. 
That's why the English is a 

1266
01:13:58,150 --> 01:14:01,070
little bit funky, you guys. 
It's a little bit funky because 

1267
01:14:01,070 --> 01:14:04,390
when you get into the Greek and 
into the Hebrew, the precision 

1268
01:14:04,390 --> 01:14:08,350
of the Greek and and how complex
the Hebrew is as well. 

1269
01:14:08,350 --> 01:14:11,550
I talk about this all the time, 
even on and off air, the 

1270
01:14:11,550 --> 01:14:14,630
English, you're going to lose a 
lot of the punch of what the 

1271
01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:16,990
seriousness of the scripture 
says here. 

1272
01:14:16,990 --> 01:14:20,110
Here's Rodney's metaphor for 
what I'm talking about, for 

1273
01:14:20,110 --> 01:14:21,350
layman's terms. 
Right. 

1274
01:14:22,350 --> 01:14:30,320
You could literally. 
But the original intention, if 

1275
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:32,920
it was, I don't know let's say 
in the in the Greek or the 

1276
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:37,800
Hebrew is Rodney and John 
strived endlessly to arrive at 

1277
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:41,840
the corner and through much 
hardship and deprivation did so 

1278
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:45,600
and you can see OK that that's a
drastically it paints A 

1279
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:50,210
drastically different picture. 
And that's just a weak, simple, 

1280
01:14:50,210 --> 01:14:52,850
uneducated representation of 
what I mean when I say looking 

1281
01:14:52,850 --> 01:14:55,890
into the Hebrew and the Greek. 
Personally, I love jumping into 

1282
01:14:56,370 --> 01:14:58,810
the concordinates. 
I I have questions for people. 

1283
01:14:58,810 --> 01:15:01,490
Just like you know how many 
times the word beast is 

1284
01:15:01,490 --> 01:15:04,770
mentioned in Revelation, You 
know how many different types of

1285
01:15:04,770 --> 01:15:07,410
beasts there are. 
But if you streamline read it in

1286
01:15:07,410 --> 01:15:09,730
the English, it can be very 
confusing. 

1287
01:15:10,180 --> 01:15:12,580
And I just throw that out there 
because this is the day and age 

1288
01:15:12,580 --> 01:15:16,180
where we need to get in to the 
word with the correct order. 

1289
01:15:16,380 --> 01:15:19,500
Now whether or not there is a 
change in construction of the 

1290
01:15:19,500 --> 01:15:23,340
word of God and whether it says 
bless you the Lord or to bless 

1291
01:15:23,340 --> 01:15:26,940
with your lips the Lord is good,
that's non salvational for me. 

1292
01:15:26,940 --> 01:15:30,140
I mean I understand with all the
different translations, we're a 

1293
01:15:30,140 --> 01:15:33,260
multilingual house. 
So you know obviously well 3 

1294
01:15:33,260 --> 01:15:34,780
languages get spoken out of this
house. 

1295
01:15:34,780 --> 01:15:36,940
So I understand that a lot of 
stuff changes. 

1296
01:15:37,370 --> 01:15:40,130
Especially when it we're 
thinking verbatim English 

1297
01:15:40,130 --> 01:15:42,530
candidates. 
That's our localized slang. 

1298
01:15:42,850 --> 01:15:45,490
So things can get scary where 
it's like, Oh my gosh, this or 

1299
01:15:45,490 --> 01:15:47,930
that. 
But but I'll tell you, David was

1300
01:15:47,930 --> 01:15:50,090
not sleeping with Jonathan. 
I'll tell you that. 

1301
01:15:50,610 --> 01:15:51,930
Right. 
And and I wouldn't care what 

1302
01:15:51,930 --> 01:15:53,610
anybody says by the power of the
Holy Spirit. 

1303
01:15:53,610 --> 01:15:56,690
I would say David was not in a 
gay relationship with Jonathan. 

1304
01:15:56,930 --> 01:15:59,210
I would. 
I would go as far as to even say

1305
01:16:00,090 --> 01:16:03,450
the misconception that people 
really don't understand. 

1306
01:16:03,970 --> 01:16:07,770
That a spiritual bond of that 
type of love exists because the 

1307
01:16:07,770 --> 01:16:11,850
perversions are so great. 
And torturing the scripture with

1308
01:16:11,850 --> 01:16:14,090
the English language. 
There's something about this 

1309
01:16:14,130 --> 01:16:19,050
English language, you guys, 
where really it has some demonic

1310
01:16:19,050 --> 01:16:22,210
over and undertones with it. 
There are certain words and 

1311
01:16:22,210 --> 01:16:26,050
pronunciations that we use in 
the English that I believe casts

1312
01:16:26,050 --> 01:16:29,970
spells and incantations on us 
because it has been constructed 

1313
01:16:29,970 --> 01:16:31,810
that way. 
It's just like the Hegelian 

1314
01:16:31,810 --> 01:16:34,230
dialectic. 
My listeners know all about the 

1315
01:16:34,230 --> 01:16:36,790
Hegelian dialect. 
Thank you Enoch Putris. 

1316
01:16:36,790 --> 01:16:40,110
By the way, He was one of the 
best researchers and composers 

1317
01:16:40,110 --> 01:16:43,390
of video and audio production 
right now, hence the reason I 

1318
01:16:43,390 --> 01:16:45,990
promote him on the channel 
regularly. 

1319
01:16:46,510 --> 01:16:50,670
But you know, this is the this 
is the time where we need to 

1320
01:16:50,670 --> 01:16:52,830
decide, are we going to serve 
the living God? 

1321
01:16:53,190 --> 01:16:55,390
Do we actually know what is 
right from wrong? 

1322
01:16:55,550 --> 01:16:57,510
I challenge people. 
If you're challenged by this 

1323
01:16:57,550 --> 01:16:59,590
episode, good. 
Hopefully it causes you to go 

1324
01:16:59,590 --> 01:17:02,630
deeper. 
Indeed, and I'm calling for 

1325
01:17:02,630 --> 01:17:05,870
debate. 
I'm calling for church leaders, 

1326
01:17:05,870 --> 01:17:10,230
influencers and pastors to 
contact me at Please wake up 

1327
01:17:10,230 --> 01:17:14,110
orelse@gmail.com. 
Send me your name and your 

1328
01:17:14,110 --> 01:17:17,830
contact to phone number and you 
can either come on my channel 

1329
01:17:17,830 --> 01:17:19,830
and we can have a discussion in 
the city gate. 

1330
01:17:20,190 --> 01:17:24,190
You can share why you believe 
that the Bible can't change, and

1331
01:17:24,190 --> 01:17:26,110
we will share what our evidence 
is. 

1332
01:17:26,510 --> 01:17:29,760
And you know, the idea that 
there's confusion with 

1333
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:36,240
translations that explains it or
that you can, you can relegate 

1334
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:39,400
it to a bad translation where in
other words, you go into the 

1335
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:44,480
original Greek or Hebrew and 
explain what it really means. 

1336
01:17:44,480 --> 01:17:48,120
Well, that doesn't address the 
phenomenon at all. 

1337
01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:50,600
It's basically sidestepping the 
evidence. 

1338
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:54,040
The evidence is that we have 
vivid memories like our name 

1339
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:58,190
that are no longer the same. 
And and that's why I asked you 

1340
01:17:58,190 --> 01:18:01,470
that question in the very 
beginning, because what you did 

1341
01:18:01,710 --> 01:18:05,830
is you agreed with me that what 
we're experiencing is not Bible 

1342
01:18:06,470 --> 01:18:12,710
translation confusions or that 
it can be explained away in any 

1343
01:18:12,710 --> 01:18:17,190
naturalistic way like well the 
the you know these passages that

1344
01:18:17,190 --> 01:18:20,430
you mentioned, John, I can clear
this up because if you go into 

1345
01:18:20,430 --> 01:18:23,230
the original then you can 
understand what it really means.

1346
01:18:23,230 --> 01:18:25,390
No, no. 
It is a phenomenon. 

1347
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:30,800
It is a catastrophic memory 
failure, like if you went to 

1348
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:34,760
your aging parent and they 
didn't recognize you, OK. 

1349
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:39,080
If you visited your mom, who's 
75 and she's like, who are you, 

1350
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:43,800
what conclusion would you draw? 
You would draw the conclusion 

1351
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:46,960
that she has early onset 
Alzheimer's. 

1352
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:49,200
There would be. 
There would be a You would 

1353
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:54,730
categorize her as having a 
mental defect, not 

1354
01:18:54,730 --> 01:18:57,010
misremembering or just 
befuddled. 

1355
01:18:57,010 --> 01:19:03,850
OK, well, when do you have 1020 
simple Bible quiz questions that

1356
01:19:03,850 --> 01:19:06,810
a content expert like a pastor 
gets all of them wrong? 

1357
01:19:07,490 --> 01:19:10,930
You cannot explain that by 
saying, Oh well, those are all 

1358
01:19:10,930 --> 01:19:17,010
bad translations, or he's 
confusing them with the 

1359
01:19:17,010 --> 01:19:19,550
different translations. 
It is the. 

1360
01:19:19,550 --> 01:19:23,150
Amount he used in the beginning 
was a name and it was John 

1361
01:19:23,150 --> 01:19:26,430
versus James if I right so. 
So the point is that those the 

1362
01:19:26,430 --> 01:19:31,110
memory of my name is as vivid as
many of these passages of 

1363
01:19:31,110 --> 01:19:33,230
scripture. 
So it's the exact same 

1364
01:19:33,630 --> 01:19:36,510
experience. 
They're so vivid that there is, 

1365
01:19:36,710 --> 01:19:38,270
it is our name. 
Stream. 

1366
01:19:38,270 --> 01:19:42,510
I mean, that's to say like names
are different now than they are 

1367
01:19:42,510 --> 01:19:43,910
than they were in the past, 
right? 

1368
01:19:44,270 --> 01:19:48,380
If you look at the genealogy of.
Adam to Noah. 

1369
01:19:48,380 --> 01:19:50,620
In the Old Testament each name 
had a meaning. 

1370
01:19:50,980 --> 01:19:54,020
It like today my name is Rod and
most people are like what does 

1371
01:19:54,020 --> 01:19:56,980
that even mean right? 
Like well Rodney comes from the 

1372
01:19:56,980 --> 01:20:00,060
island of Rhodes and it can have
multiple different meanings. 

1373
01:20:00,060 --> 01:20:04,500
It also means muscular which is 
very suiting for me because I'm 

1374
01:20:04,900 --> 01:20:09,220
very muscular guy naturally. 
But if you hardline and stream 

1375
01:20:09,220 --> 01:20:13,260
it down to like verbatim just a 
name it, it actually puts more 

1376
01:20:13,260 --> 01:20:16,260
hysteria on it In my opinion. 
It feels like my name. 

1377
01:20:16,700 --> 01:20:20,380
Was Bob tomorrow when I woke up?
That's pretty, that's a pretty 

1378
01:20:20,380 --> 01:20:22,580
extreme case, and that's pretty 
narrow. 

1379
01:20:22,860 --> 01:20:26,220
There's no actually room for 
merging and understanding that 

1380
01:20:26,220 --> 01:20:29,860
is an extreme. 
Hot or cold yes or no answer and

1381
01:20:29,860 --> 01:20:32,860
response, right? 
But we know there's 200 

1382
01:20:32,860 --> 01:20:35,860
different formats of speech in 
the Bible, and there's context 

1383
01:20:36,100 --> 01:20:39,630
in the Bible, and there's also 
revelation from the Holy Spirit 

1384
01:20:39,630 --> 01:20:40,870
when we're talking about the 
word of God. 

1385
01:20:40,870 --> 01:20:45,790
So it's not as simple as a name 
change agreement to, oh, this 

1386
01:20:45,790 --> 01:20:48,870
scripture now has completely 
changed and means this. 

1387
01:20:49,150 --> 01:20:51,790
I mean, yeah, there you might be
on to something, but I'm telling

1388
01:20:51,790 --> 01:20:55,710
you that it's not comparable to 
just a name change. 

1389
01:20:55,790 --> 01:20:59,910
So how would you explain? 
How would you explain the and? 

1390
01:20:59,910 --> 01:21:03,430
You have to take my word for it 
that this happens is that I can 

1391
01:21:03,430 --> 01:21:09,350
go into a pastor's office. 
And ask him 10 to 15 or even 20 

1392
01:21:09,350 --> 01:21:12,150
simple Bible quiz questions 
where I asked him to fill in the

1393
01:21:12,150 --> 01:21:14,710
blanks and he gets all of them 
wrong. 

1394
01:21:14,790 --> 01:21:17,910
How is that possible? 
Jordan Peterson made this really

1395
01:21:17,910 --> 01:21:22,670
popular recently actually. 
And the Bible has between old 

1396
01:21:22,670 --> 01:21:27,830
and New Testament 66,000 locking
references where it literally 

1397
01:21:27,830 --> 01:21:32,320
builds upon a deeper agreement. 
So I I talk with pastors all the

1398
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:33,800
time. 
I have probably 8 to 10 

1399
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:35,760
different pastors numbers in my 
cell phone. 

1400
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:39,520
One of the things I deal with 
John is I talk about Genesis 

1401
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:45,360
64OK when the sons of God saw 
the daughters of Adam and they 

1402
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:49,160
took all whom they chose wives 
for themselves and gave birth to

1403
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:51,640
the Nephilim right. 
And some pastors will say, oh, I

1404
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:55,720
take a Sethite view on that. 
The sons of Seth were righteous,

1405
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:57,960
right? 
And and they, you know, 

1406
01:21:57,960 --> 01:21:59,800
whatever, right, they take a 
set, the view. 

1407
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:02,320
Personally, I don't subscribe to
that, but does that mean that 

1408
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:03,880
they're unaccurate with 
everything else? 

1409
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:06,200
Now that's one example that I 
can bring forward where the 

1410
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:08,440
Bible would be saying something 
different to them than it is to 

1411
01:22:08,440 --> 01:22:10,920
me. 
But it's still a minor issue 

1412
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:14,120
because it's non salvational in 
my opinion, where I would get 

1413
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:17,560
really picky as if we're talking
about the birth, death and 

1414
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:20,480
resurrection of Yahushua the 
Messiah. 

1415
01:22:20,850 --> 01:22:23,370
Because anybody who brings a new
gospel to you, let him be a 

1416
01:22:23,370 --> 01:22:24,930
cursed if you speak a new 
gospel. 

1417
01:22:24,930 --> 01:22:28,010
Even an Angel from above come 
and brings a new gospel. 

1418
01:22:28,010 --> 01:22:31,250
Now the rest of the Bible, 
There's 200 different formats of

1419
01:22:31,250 --> 01:22:33,970
speech there 200 formats of 
speech. 

1420
01:22:34,610 --> 01:22:38,930
I talk with people. 
All the time that had that hold 

1421
01:22:39,090 --> 01:22:41,930
and prescribed to a different 
lens when looking at the word. 

1422
01:22:42,210 --> 01:22:43,650
OK, but still, I'm not 
following. 

1423
01:22:43,650 --> 01:22:47,610
I don't mean to interrupt, but 
if I can stump a pastor from his

1424
01:22:47,610 --> 01:22:49,970
memory and these are King James 
only pastors. 

1425
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:53,400
And we're out of a King James 
only Bible, so it's not a 

1426
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:57,040
translation confusion. 
I'm asking him from the 1611 

1427
01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:59,640
Cambridge version. 
So it's not a modernization. 

1428
01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:03,160
So how is it possible that his 
memory would fail him at the 

1429
01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:05,440
level of somebody having 
Alzheimer's? 

1430
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:08,480
How would he fail 20 out of 20? 
How is that possible? 

1431
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:11,000
Yeah, I don't know. 
That's not really a question for

1432
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:12,560
me. 
Well, no, it is. 

1433
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:16,360
It is a question. 
It is the question because it is

1434
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:20,300
a salvation issue. 
If your Bible is being corrupted

1435
01:23:20,540 --> 01:23:25,700
with biblical paradoxes that 
that are unlike the God that we 

1436
01:23:25,700 --> 01:23:28,860
know, but you're not aware of it
and you're starting to 

1437
01:23:28,860 --> 01:23:31,180
assimilate this false talk 
doctrine that's in your 

1438
01:23:31,180 --> 01:23:33,780
scriptures. 
Like Jesus is saying, if people 

1439
01:23:33,780 --> 01:23:36,340
don't follow me, bring them 
before me and slay them in front

1440
01:23:36,340 --> 01:23:41,340
of me, that's a problem. 
OK, and so because that's not in

1441
01:23:41,340 --> 01:23:43,580
reference to where he says I 
came not to bring peace, but I 

1442
01:23:43,580 --> 01:23:45,460
came to bring the sword. 
No. 

1443
01:23:46,150 --> 01:23:47,910
I don't have the scripture 
reference in front of me. 

1444
01:23:47,950 --> 01:23:49,110
I can. 
I can pull it up. 

1445
01:23:50,710 --> 01:23:55,390
But my, my, my, my, my 
observation is, is if you don't 

1446
01:23:55,390 --> 01:24:02,190
know, which is what you said, 
then what that means is that you

1447
01:24:02,190 --> 01:24:04,910
don't have an answer for the 
hundreds of thousands of 

1448
01:24:04,910 --> 01:24:07,270
Christians that are claiming 
that their Bible's changing. 

1449
01:24:07,830 --> 01:24:11,710
And all we ask is if you don't 
know how that could happen. 

1450
01:24:12,190 --> 01:24:15,870
Then we ask people not to call 
us crazy and heretics and 

1451
01:24:15,870 --> 01:24:17,390
charlatans, because that's 
what's happened. 

1452
01:24:17,790 --> 01:24:19,950
This is what I have right here 
in front of me, right? 

1453
01:24:20,110 --> 01:24:25,350
So I'm at Psalms one, O 3 verse 
one, and I have the King James 

1454
01:24:25,350 --> 01:24:27,870
Version, the New Living 
Translation, the new King James,

1455
01:24:27,870 --> 01:24:32,150
the TEGASV, and I could read 
each one of them right now on 

1456
01:24:32,150 --> 01:24:33,550
air. 
And according to Joe Rogan, if 

1457
01:24:33,550 --> 01:24:36,550
you read scripture on your 
podcast episode, now you're 

1458
01:24:36,550 --> 01:24:39,110
really podcasting. 
So I made a nice little inside 

1459
01:24:39,110 --> 01:24:41,640
joke recently to that, so I'm 
going to redo it again. 

1460
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:46,520
Now we're podcasting John, so 
let's go to Psalms 1O31. 

1461
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:50,680
King James versus says bless the
Lord, O my soul and all that is 

1462
01:24:50,680 --> 01:24:52,600
within me. 
Bless His holy name. 

1463
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:56,000
The New Living Translation says,
let all that I am. 

1464
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:58,480
Praise the Lord with my whole 
heart. 

1465
01:24:58,480 --> 01:25:01,160
I will praise His Holy name. 
That sounds a bit different. 

1466
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:04,440
They sound a good bit different.
That's two translational jumps 

1467
01:25:04,440 --> 01:25:05,800
there. 
Now, if you're telling me that 

1468
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:10,960
there's 1020, maybe even 30 
verses that are strictly to the 

1469
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:13,880
new King James Version where 
people are verbatim getting 

1470
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:16,440
wrong, I'd like to see some more
information on that. 

1471
01:25:16,440 --> 01:25:18,200
I'd like to see an actual live 
broadcast. 

1472
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:20,770
Get a couple some people 
together and actually see that 

1473
01:25:20,770 --> 01:25:23,530
debate happen live. 
But the dollars that I know and 

1474
01:25:23,530 --> 01:25:25,930
talk with, they're going to be a
lot more flexible. 

1475
01:25:25,930 --> 01:25:28,610
They're not going to remember 
quite like the layman will next 

1476
01:25:28,610 --> 01:25:31,450
door who may have been 
propagandized through, you know,

1477
01:25:31,450 --> 01:25:35,380
some of these cult churches that
may not even be real churches in

1478
01:25:35,380 --> 01:25:36,740
my opinion. 
I think some of them are 

1479
01:25:36,740 --> 01:25:38,740
upfront. 
I think they're pretending. 

1480
01:25:38,740 --> 01:25:40,860
I think there's a lot more 
witchcraft that takes place 

1481
01:25:40,860 --> 01:25:43,380
there, hence the reason I keep 
driving the message home about 

1482
01:25:43,380 --> 01:25:46,220
the English language and the 
frequency. 

1483
01:25:46,220 --> 01:25:47,900
Come on, my listeners know 
what's going on. 

1484
01:25:47,900 --> 01:25:49,660
They're actually going to be 
like, come on Rod, we understand

1485
01:25:50,340 --> 01:25:53,380
you're just running around 
circles now in this episode here

1486
01:25:53,380 --> 01:25:56,820
with you, but there's so many 
things to consider. 

1487
01:25:57,220 --> 01:26:01,870
Frequency, the poisonings, all. 
I mean literally the 

1488
01:26:01,870 --> 01:26:07,350
supernatural word of God warning
us that there will be an 

1489
01:26:07,350 --> 01:26:10,510
unbelievable amount of deception
in the last time. 

1490
01:26:10,510 --> 01:26:15,150
And don't forget about when God 
is covering up and sealing 

1491
01:26:15,830 --> 01:26:20,590
Daniel to not release certain 
writings in the Old Testament 

1492
01:26:20,990 --> 01:26:22,830
that they're they're for a 
latter time and a latter 

1493
01:26:22,830 --> 01:26:26,310
generation we really need. 
There's so many things that can 

1494
01:26:26,310 --> 01:26:28,660
take consideration. 
It's a debate. 

1495
01:26:28,660 --> 01:26:29,780
Now. 
I wouldn't say as much as an 

1496
01:26:29,780 --> 01:26:33,180
argument, but we are clearly 
debating now towards the end of 

1497
01:26:33,180 --> 01:26:35,700
this episode, John. 
And if you're saying that 

1498
01:26:35,700 --> 01:26:39,500
there's 10 or 20 verses that 
you're you can relate to the 

1499
01:26:39,500 --> 01:26:42,460
King James Version and you can 
stump pastors out there. 

1500
01:26:42,460 --> 01:26:45,380
I'd like to get a couple pastors
together that either I know 

1501
01:26:45,380 --> 01:26:48,880
personally or know of and can 
easily get in communication with

1502
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:50,440
and see that kind of debate 
happen. 

1503
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:53,040
Because anybody who's going to 
dive in and has a heart and an 

1504
01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:55,640
education, they're not going to 
streamline to just King James. 

1505
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:57,800
And yes, we may remember certain
things. 

1506
01:26:57,800 --> 01:27:00,600
It's just like in Tagalog, the 
way that we'll say certain 

1507
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:03,360
things, there's a proper way to 
say it. 

1508
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:05,560
There's a slang way to say it, 
just like there is in the 

1509
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:07,040
English. 
So when you're relating to other

1510
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:10,760
languages, sometimes it's people
just have this information 

1511
01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:14,300
setting and it's easily 
accessible because the way that 

1512
01:27:14,300 --> 01:27:17,020
our brain works is there's a 
million messages of signals and 

1513
01:27:17,020 --> 01:27:18,820
things going on. 
So we're we're just trying to 

1514
01:27:18,820 --> 01:27:23,380
jump and grab and streamline 
that memory and and use it to 

1515
01:27:23,380 --> 01:27:25,900
the easiest fashion for how it 
would apply. 

1516
01:27:26,020 --> 01:27:29,900
And typically that's done 
through slang when you know your

1517
01:27:29,900 --> 01:27:33,180
guard is down right when you're 
in relax mode, when you're not 

1518
01:27:33,500 --> 01:27:35,300
in business or professional 
mode. 

1519
01:27:35,540 --> 01:27:39,780
So I know a lot of the times we 
don't do the best we can 

1520
01:27:39,780 --> 01:27:43,640
possibly do when it comes to 
remembering the word of God. 

1521
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:49,520
But I will say hiding the word 
in your heart that you may not 

1522
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:52,320
sin against him. 
What's the word? 

1523
01:27:52,440 --> 01:27:54,000
How do you hide that in your 
heart? 

1524
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:58,680
And the last thing I would leave
the audience with before we cap 

1525
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:03,480
this off here John, is if we do 
not have love, we don't got 

1526
01:28:03,480 --> 01:28:06,760
nothing. 
We have nothing without love. 

1527
01:28:07,110 --> 01:28:11,910
So it is more than imperative. 
If you have a drive or a desire 

1528
01:28:12,070 --> 01:28:17,150
that you want to be with Christ 
when you leave this earth, you 

1529
01:28:17,150 --> 01:28:20,110
want to guarantee that you're 
with Christ. 

1530
01:28:21,150 --> 01:28:23,310
You need to get into your word. 
You need to speak with him in 

1531
01:28:23,310 --> 01:28:24,990
private. 
You need to realize and have a 

1532
01:28:24,990 --> 01:28:29,430
change of mind. 
You need to change your mind. 

1533
01:28:29,430 --> 01:28:31,950
Stop listening to what pastors 
are telling you. 

1534
01:28:31,950 --> 01:28:35,720
Stop listening to what the alien
deception you need to make up 

1535
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:37,520
your mind. 
Choose you this day. 

1536
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:40,000
Whom will you serve? 
The God of lights and of 

1537
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:44,360
creation or darkness, just like 
most of your fathers did? 

1538
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:47,880
But make that decision you guys,
because I believe time is short 

1539
01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:50,360
and I think just having John 
here tonight even just goes to 

1540
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:53,240
show it gets deeper and weirder 
as we go. 

1541
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:54,920
But this is what the podcast is 
for. 

1542
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:57,960
This is what it's for. 
So that we can become aware of 

1543
01:28:57,960 --> 01:29:03,160
these topics, these 
conversations, we we need to be 

1544
01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:05,320
coming together and sharpening 
each other on this. 

1545
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:09,200
And yeah, I definitely see a 
Part 2 down the road in the 

1546
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:11,400
works if you would like to come 
back again. 

1547
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:16,800
And yeah, any closing thoughts 
here as we hard close within 

1548
01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:19,480
about two minutes here? 
No, that was well said. 

1549
01:29:19,480 --> 01:29:21,040
I wouldn't. 
I wouldn't add a thing and I 

1550
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:23,560
would love to come back. 
It's, you know, I'm not winning 

1551
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:27,400
any popularity contests trying 
to suggest happening. 

1552
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:31,920
So it really it's a it's a very 
complicated topic. 

1553
01:29:32,780 --> 01:29:36,900
But I think if, if I am given 
the opportunity, I can break it,

1554
01:29:37,100 --> 01:29:39,980
break it, unpack it for your 
listeners. 

1555
01:29:40,460 --> 01:29:43,420
And like I said, the seven 
questions that I'm convinced 

1556
01:29:43,420 --> 01:29:45,380
can't answer pretty much ends 
the debate. 

1557
01:29:46,820 --> 01:29:50,220
Be wise as a serpent but as 
harmless as a dove. 

1558
01:29:50,580 --> 01:29:52,940
And that is it. 
That's the episode. 

1559
01:29:52,940 --> 01:29:55,660
You guys, if you found this to 
be interesting, it was helpful. 

1560
01:29:55,820 --> 01:29:58,820
It challenged you to want to go 
deeper if you have some 

1561
01:29:58,820 --> 01:30:01,460
questions. 
We were like, what in the heck 

1562
01:30:01,460 --> 01:30:04,820
do I do with this information? 
You guys know where to go. 

1563
01:30:04,820 --> 01:30:08,340
You go to the word 1st and reach
out to me personally, I can get 

1564
01:30:08,340 --> 01:30:11,060
you guys set up with some better
people than myself personally. 

1565
01:30:11,340 --> 01:30:14,220
And you know, I recommend you 
guys literally go look at John's

1566
01:30:14,220 --> 01:30:16,620
book, go check it out, Go look 
at what he's doing. 

1567
01:30:16,860 --> 01:30:20,880
We need to be aware of what's 
going on in this day and age and

1568
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:24,800
hold each other accountable. 
With all that being said, God 

1569
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:25,360
bless.