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Welcome back to the show 
everybody. 

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I'm so happy that you're here 
with me again for another 

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episode. 
I have an excellent show 

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prepared for you guys. 
I have Nate here. 

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He's coming to us from a cabin 
deep within the heart of the 

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Canadian wilderness. 
He is the host of midnight 

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mystery. 
He's radio, and he also has his 

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own research company called 
Imperial research and 

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investigations. 
He is the former lead 

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investigator for move font of 
the Canadian chapter and 

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overall. 
He's a really cool guy. 

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He cares about this research. 
He has a ton of experience. 

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Has he shares some stories? 
This is an interview / 

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conversation. 
It really is a fun episode. 

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We don't hone in on just one 
topic as I'm capturing these 

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awesome conversation. 
Taking the journey here on the 

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millennial Mustard Seed. 
Pod cast, this is definitely 

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worth your time. 
I'm not going to waste any more 

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time. 
We're going to jump right into 

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this episode. 
Are you guys ready? 

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I'm ready, that's good. 
Okay, I got an excellent episode

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here for you guys. 
I have Nathan here from Midnight

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Mysteries radio. 
He's coming to us from the heart

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of the Canadian voter notice 
everything that he's going to be

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sharing with us tonight. 
Nothing is planned. 

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You guys know the deal. 
We just kind of let the spirit 

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guide connecting with brothers 
and sisters all around the world

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at this point, trying to connect
the dots encourage each other 

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and unveiled the darkness. 
So Nathan, welcome to the show, 

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man. 
Thank you so much for being 

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here. 
I'm very excited to be here. 

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Thanks for inviting me. 
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yourself. 
How you became the Nathan, the 

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midnight? 
Drew's radio, sure, I think now,

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more than ever, you know, 
Christians need to be having 

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these conversations and need to 
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behind the scenes and years ago.
I grew up in a Christian home 

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and you know, Deliverance 
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Spiritual warfare were topics 
that I heard about quite often 

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but had never really encountered
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and started going to Bible 
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I never intended on becoming. 
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My dad was a pastor and his dad 
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goes back and I'm like, I'm 
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he ended up becoming a pastor, 
but before I came a pastor, I 

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had gone through my private 
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certified and licensed because 
I've always had an inclination 

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towards the investigative method
investigative methodology. 

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And I thought that might be your
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and I was talking with the head 
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Department's here in Alberta who
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just brought up that, you know, 
it's not uncommon for people 

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like psychics and mediums and 
which has to submit tips for 

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investigations and you know, a 
lot of them would lead nowhere 

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but someone some of them would 
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Whether it was missing children 
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criminal convictions and I was 
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him you know how many Christians
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none were and it felt like a 
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like whoa hold on cuz biblically
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Who is interpreted? 
King Nebuchadnezzar's dream. 

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He was put in charge of all the 
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psychics, and and quote-unquote,
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Yeah. 
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Esther there's Joseph, there's 
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throughout the old and the New 
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positions of authority, based 
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interpretation or favor in the 
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testimony. 
And I'm like, why isn't that 

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happening today? 
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were filled with the spirit of 
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God shouldn't we have the most 
accurate information, shouldn't 

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we have you know, the first 
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the darkness in our world and it
set me on this journey myself 

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and another close friend, who 
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You felt the same conviction to 
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start that process. 
How we could be the modern-day 

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Watchmen the you know the 
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where they're building, but at 
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sorts to right. 
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And watch men are supposed to 
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swords coming, and I can't 
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You GI you, should I try and be 
prepared when I quote scripture,

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but punch it in to Google or 
your Bible app. 

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And there's a few verses that 
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sees the sword coming and 
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God will hold the blood of the 
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And yeah, that's always scared 
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planned it or not, God seemed to
lead us into this area of, okay,

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how do we be modern a Watchman? 
How do we be the light in the 

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darkness? 
How do we be the ones who are 

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hearing from the Holy Spirit? 
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government in these different 
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journey where we started an 
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research and investigations. 
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We were amped. 
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part of top-secret briefings on 
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started happening because it 
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this. 
This whole thing was, we started

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getting calls from people who 
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essentially they had, you know, 
torment in their homes or Just 

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really demonic stuff happening 
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And so we'd start to go through 
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pray with people, and it was 
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We start seeing fruit, but we're
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really what we wanted to do, but
we're trusting the Holy Spirit 

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and we eventually started seeing
is it is it okay that I'm just 

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kind of going through all of 
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Absolutely man, keep going. 
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So we as we start going through 
people's homes, we discovered 

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that there were other groups 
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homes to try and help them. 
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groups, these were new age and a
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And what's interesting is that 
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charge anything, they, they had 
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people. 
The issue is, they were tapping 

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into the wrong Source, right? 
They were, they were under their

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eyes were veiled to which source
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into and so we start to meet 
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know them a bit and I was 
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their meetings about the 
supernatural from a private 

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investigators perspective, 
somebody who has a background in

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Private Investigations and so I 
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again because we have covered a 
range of topics before midnight 

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mysteries from you know UFOs to 
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side essentially go into these 
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topics and what we found from 
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was invited back, I really felt 
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you know, these these Spirits, 
they were serving because they'd

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always open up their home 
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these various spirits and stuff.
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put them on blast essentially. 
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kind of. 
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And I was kind of mourning and 
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built a friendship with these 
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In my heart, had really grow 
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Because I love that, they had a 
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And what's really cool is that 
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believe that there's a world 
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So there's So much closer than 
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believe in God, right? 
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thought, you know, they were 
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connection and I ended it ended 
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the year, which was it was 
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but yeah, after a while of doing
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we When we actually started 
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actual cases Beyond home 
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pause because we had just fallen
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people's homes, and helping 
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And praying with them that were 
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is calling us into the 
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just this has made us feel so 
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And so we there was a Ministry 
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about what we were doing in 
Florida and they were in contact

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with a with the owners of a 
haunted house in a different 

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state and this haunted house has
been in all sorts of different 

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TV shows and movies. 
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I think National Geographic had 
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the owners made a pile of money.
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they were feeling so much 
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that they said, you know, we 
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making off of it. 
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We need, we need to be delivered
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And so this ministry in Florida,
very generously, paid for our 

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plane tickets to this to this 
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rental vehicle and they came 
with us and we met with this 

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couple and sat down prayed with 
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clear to them that unless they 
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authority, it would just get 
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Like yeah, you need to be able 
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thieves, the the spirits will 
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And again there's a few 
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how if you don't bind the strong
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spirits from your home, it'll, 
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filled, right? 
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the natural realm, there's no 
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Any area that gets broken up or 
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right? 
So they ended up getting saved 

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and we pray to the home and they
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But this was in the middle of a 
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all sorts of other groups that 
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occultic groups and new age 
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like an open portal site. 
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And, you know, carry out, hold 
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I'll go forward. 
Go forward. 

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I loving this right now. 
So like, I feel like I'm like 

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we're on this podcast episode 
and I got questions, but Don't 

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want to say a word. 
I just want to keep listening to

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what you're saying I'm sorry. 
I'm just kind of talking like if

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I'm talking too much, please let
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Like yeah, no I want I want you 
to just flow and just give us 

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exactly what we're supposed to 
hear these Back stories. 

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And these testimonies, they 
They've really let the audience 

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know. 
Hey, this is what I do, this is 

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what I know I Believe In Christ,
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This is my experience. 
So it is really important to 

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call you to just allow you to do
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But I do want to ask you like 
how long ago was this? 

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What where's the timeframe at? 
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2017. 
Like we started our 

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investigation company. 
Yeah, we started investigation 

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coming in 2014. 
Oh, Cam and all and the being in

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the states for this house as was
in 2017. 

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And all of this kind of leads up
to how we started. 

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Midnight Mysteries. 
That's all I'm starting pack so 

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far, but yeah, that's that's 
where I'm coming from or keep 

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going. 
Yeah, definitely this is this is

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really good. 
Sure. 

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So yeah, we end up praying 
through this home. 

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It was an amazing experience. 
We came back to Edmonton, came 

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back to Alberta and Covid hits a
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from 2017. 
When we went to this this 

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haunted house in the states, to 
2020, we had continued to pray 

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with people go through homes. 
But we start getting involved in

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some actual investigations to, 
with with different groups and 

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different organizations and 
could touch on some of those 

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later. 
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And These paranormal, some of 
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aren't able to meet in person 
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They had been meeting monthly to
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ourselves included, and so they 
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over covid and I was extremely 
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we prayed about it and I came 
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Just be clear. 
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topics we cover, you know, I'm 
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Ley lines and all sorts of other
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Tuna at the end of each episode.
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and people were being. 
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Your your pastor and I'm like, 
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messages of people who are like,
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give their lives to Christ and 
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during covid. 
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this new age Community. 
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came up to me he's like he's 
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saying to these people? 
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be careful just and he was 
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was a mentor for me. 
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that as you know speakers that 
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manipulating people by being To 
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I'm like listen, the last 
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I'm like I'm not preaching on 
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100% the Holy Spirit and it led 
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groups started meeting in person
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we've seen some incredible fruit
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We think we're going to start 
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up starting midnight Mysteries 
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already. 
I wish we would see more of 

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this. 
Just this painting. 

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This is who I am. 
Yeah, I don't go around beating 

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people with the Bible commanding
that you have repeat. 

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After me I just hear, you know, 
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Babylon and yes, Daniel didn't 
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If I remember correct. 
That's true. 

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You're in Canada. 
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you born and raised in Canada? 
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All-American so I'm a I'm a dual
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family is all Canadian. 
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passport and a Canadian 
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of my degree here in Canada. 
So that is so cool, man. 

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I've never been to Canada and I 
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and in today's day, oh yes. 
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episode. 
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like I'm hoping they'll A Part 2
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I'm just, I really feel like 
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the table. 
It feels like every once in a 

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while, I'll get somebody on and 
I don't know a lot about you. 

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I heard you on fire theft radio 
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And like I said, I'm just What 
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that and checked out some of 
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I consider myself like a 
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extent on the show. 
Him my idea is let's just 

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connect and help each other 
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Michael heizer would say the 
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Hebrews to other ancient Hebrews
right? 

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Like yep. 
It's not a modern you know so 

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it's 20 22 and we figured out 
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Not really knowing what's going 
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It's an ancient concept that I 
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Hollywood and this consumer 
mentality, and these Generations

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that were watching literally 
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It's striking like the end 
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So when I hear somebody come on 
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they're like, I don't care what 
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my experience I believe in the 
resurrection of the Christ. 

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I'm not sugarcoating. 
It or ashamed about it. 

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That's attractive to me even if 
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These topics is I get a really 
weird vibe. 

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I'm just like, whoa, hold on. 
Like, yeah, I'll never there's a

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secret backdoor to Christianity,
like Shawn Carter would say and 

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only some people get in and I'm 
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No, let's put that on 
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enough of me talking, I wanted 
to ask you what was one of the 

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most significant experiences 
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That never left you. 
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I think one of our one of our 
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cleansing per se, it was more 
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for child. 
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friend and this one friend had 
gotten saved, former big 

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sidekick here in Edmonton and he
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police force here and his 
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there to his daughter. 
His five-year-old daughter had 

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been having these reoccurring 
dreams of a black dog with black

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eyes following her around with 
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hanging from its jaws and should
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nightly. 
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psychologists and psychiatrists,
and therapists and nothing 

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seemed to get rid of these 
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out what it was. 
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us and we weren't there. 
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We we stepped up because we 
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this field, but we have the time
were like, we don't know what 

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we're doing, but we're praying 
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And that the holy spirit is God,
but like we can see how you 

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know, God chose the least, 
likely people throughout 

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scripture and it's just very 
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So went and met with this, this 
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praying with the daughter and 
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stopped having these dreams 
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just started to flourish because
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sleep at night or developmental 
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track. 
And it was just incredibly 

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humbling to be like, well, like 
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They had tried everyone, like, 
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and nothing nothing was working.
I sprang with her is what is, 

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what brought the healing and 
that was 100% through the Holy 

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Spirit and it was an open door 
to minister to them and that 

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would be one that's going to 
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time. 
You know, it reminds me of the 

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scripture that says bearing ye 
one another's burdens and so 

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fulfill the law. 
There's nothing that bothers me 

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more than to see when kids are 
being tormented by these this 

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Darkness, this invisible enemy, 
that the World doesn't know how 

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to comprehend. 
Yeah, I hope that answered your 

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question because that's better 
be a testimony for a long time. 

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That's, that's powerful man. 
You were a part of mufon. 

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Is that accurate? 
Yeah, I'm still technically part

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of mufon. 
Oh, wow, I'm still on their 

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website is their community 
relations director. 

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So have you noticed an increase 
in any of these strange? 

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I don't even know what they call
them anymore. 

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It's a UFO one year and then 
it's a UAP, right? 

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Yeah. 
Lights in the sky. 

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I mean, I've had some 
experiences personally, I'd 

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really like to talk with you off
hair about, but I want to know 

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from your research, and just 
everything that you've been a 

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part of, is there an increase as
time goes on, like, over the 

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last couple of years? 
Where's this kind of always been

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going on but it becomes a little
more relevant. 

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Now, to the public it's both 
there is it's definitely 

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receiving a lot more public 
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that the Navy has Declassified 
videos. 

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Other countries are talking 
about at Frances. 

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Former Intelligence minister of 
intelligence. 

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I think his name is Ali on, 
Juliet, came out. 

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And talked about his experience 
with UFOs and his belief in them

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being either interdimensional or
extraterrestrial Canada's Former

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Defense. 
Minister Paul Hellyer a pastor 

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year to go but he was hosting 
various conferences. 

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I think even wrote a book about 
UFOs and then yeah the 

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Department of Defense in the And
the UFO disclosure bill in the 

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middle of the covid relief. 
Bill that was just kind of snuck

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in there so it's definitely 
receiving a lot more public eye.

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But at the same time when we go 
in to move on to case management

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system, there's a huge spike in 
UFO reports and there's a 

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difference between UFO reports 
and the classification after an 

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investigation for UFO reports in
where the Report remains 

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unidentified right? 
Because mufon investigator and I

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was Alberta's. 
Provincial Chief investigator 

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for a couple of years. 
You try and debunk. 

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What it is, right? 
So you look at astronomical 

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events to see if, you know, it 
could have been a planet or 

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meteor or satellite planes 
balloons, all sorts of other 

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stuff, ah, drones now too 
because they're affordable. 

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But after it's all said and 
done, if it remains UFO, goes 

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into a few. 
My classifications for UFO and 

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we always received when I called
repeat offenders for UFO 

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reports, these are people. 
These people are looking for 

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UFOs in the sky and they will 
see anything. 

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And I got photos or videos, I'm 
like look, you can see like 

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these are lights on an airplane.
You can see from, if you Google 

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Earth lines, you can see that 
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an airplane would have these 
lights and then and then we get 

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like farmers who have had 
absolutely no interest in UFOs 

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or paranormal, talk. 
Topics. 

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See something and they start 
googling and they come across 

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mufon's website and know they 
submit a report and you can tell

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because they don't have any of 
the communities language or 

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verbiage right there like that. 
I don't really know what to call

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it. 
I saw strange object in the sky 

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or I've had a cattle mutilation 
and the RCMP the One of the 

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investigation organizations here
in Canada came out investigated 

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it and said, you know, what was 
this thing? 

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But they're like, we're 
generational farmers and we've 

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never had something like that 
happen. 

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Like it just doesn't make sense.
So we started Googling for and 

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came across you guys. 
What do you think? 

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Yeah, we're seeing an increase 
in those types of reports, 

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people who have had no interest,
they're not looking for random 

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objects in the sky so that they 
can say they've seen a UFO or 

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try and get a UFO report. 
Filed. 

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There's a lot of just regular 
old Jose submitting UFO reports 

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now because they've seen 
something really weird or 

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bizarre Nathan for me. 
Personally, I've had some 

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encounters over the course of my
life but nothing like the last 

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few years. 
I'd like to say 2019 is when it 

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kind of started and the first 
podcast for me, most people 

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don't know. 
But this is actually my second 

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show on the first podcast was 
started in 2018 in 220. 19. 

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And I was just getting fed up 
with some of these 

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idiosyncrasies that were in a 
good light and some things that 

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we're going on in my private 
life that I was not a fan of and

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how I would go and try to talk 
with pastors or other Christians

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is that hey can you pray with me
about this or do you know 

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anybody else with these kind of 
experiences and just kind of 

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getting shot down and feeling 
like I was compartmentalize and 

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judged and weird like this ain't
it or something and but I was 

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praying and saying God what is 
going on? 

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Here and then talked with like 
Marzulli eventually and he's 

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like rebuked first ask questions
later I'm like, oh I've been 

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doing that all wrong. 
Yeah, but the idea is is I 

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didn't want an experience and 
there's people that reach out to

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me. 
Some of them. 

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I personally know some, I've 
never met just from this little 

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podcast here. 
Hey what do I do? 

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Experiencing this pray for me. 
It blows my mind because I feel 

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like the veil is so much thinner
now than even five years ago. 

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Go because I remember feeling so
alone and feeling kind of 

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awkward all the time about these
questions on the back burner and

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now it's almost relevant among 
social classes that I never 

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00:27:40,900 --> 00:27:43,200
would have figured here in 
Southeastern Pennsylvania. 

451
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:44,900
There's strange things 
happening. 

452
00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:49,100
I'm really curious about your 
role in time with mufon. 

453
00:27:49,100 --> 00:27:51,900
What exactly were you guys doing
with you being a Christian? 

454
00:27:51,900 --> 00:27:53,800
Was that like controversial at 
all? 

455
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,700
Did they even know how does that
work? 

456
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,500
Yeah. 
So I'm sure At some point they 

457
00:28:00,500 --> 00:28:04,300
found out I'm Christian, but I 
tried to remain objective, 

458
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,600
right? 
Like if, if there was 

459
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:11,300
opportunities to minister to 
someone or pray to someone or 

460
00:28:11,300 --> 00:28:15,300
felt like I should, I would take
it off, move on to official 

461
00:28:15,300 --> 00:28:18,200
channels. 
So I didn't feel like I was kind

462
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:22,300
of abusing my position if it 
makes sense because I want to 

463
00:28:22,308 --> 00:28:27,200
remain honorable to them. 
But oftentimes a big. 

464
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:28,900
Hey, I'd love to continue this 
conversation. 

465
00:28:28,900 --> 00:28:31,900
Do you mind if I email All you 
for my personal email, or call 

466
00:28:31,900 --> 00:28:35,200
you, or text you. 
And and so there'd be times 

467
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,000
right back. 
Hey, this is my interpretation. 

468
00:28:38,100 --> 00:28:40,500
This is what I found, this is 
what I've researched, this is 

469
00:28:40,500 --> 00:28:44,900
what I've read about. 
This is what I believe and I'd 

470
00:28:44,900 --> 00:28:49,900
be able to take it from there 
and technically we sign a ND, a 

471
00:28:50,100 --> 00:28:55,600
with our mufon positions. 
But It's funny because I 

472
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,100
literally just said I want to 
remain on her bolts to them, but

473
00:28:58,100 --> 00:29:03,000
I've never really stuck with the
NTA at all, you know? 

474
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,900
Obviously, if it's sensitive 
stuff, I like, I don't use 

475
00:29:05,900 --> 00:29:08,900
names, I'm I volunteered with 
mufon's. 

476
00:29:10,300 --> 00:29:12,800
It's called their Mars program, 
which was their redaction 

477
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,800
program for a bit. 
So, I'd go through documents and

478
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,700
sense of them like, peoples 
names, addresses, Etc. 

479
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,200
So I'd never share somebody's 
name or address. 

480
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,500
So I do. 
You believe, I'm being honest 

481
00:29:25,500 --> 00:29:28,100
that way. 
But yeah, that's, that's been 

482
00:29:28,100 --> 00:29:32,400
with my experience with mufon, 
has a pastor and continuing to 

483
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,200
be my experience. 
So, and now my director is as 

484
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,500
Community, my community 
relations position. 

485
00:29:40,300 --> 00:29:44,500
I'm really there to bring move 
on into paranormal communities, 

486
00:29:44,900 --> 00:29:47,800
because, you know, paranormal 
communities. 

487
00:29:47,900 --> 00:29:51,200
Again, already a lot of them 
believe in UFOs or have 

488
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,700
experienced some sort of UFO. 
Activity whether it was 

489
00:29:55,900 --> 00:30:00,900
Supernatural or like the 
physical craft and it's perfect 

490
00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:03,300
cause I'm already going into 
these communities to share about

491
00:30:03,900 --> 00:30:07,300
midnight Mysteries or other 
topics so it just went 

492
00:30:07,300 --> 00:30:11,600
hand-in-hand. 
So there's a natural fit I knew 

493
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,000
you were the right guy to have 
on the Shelf. 

494
00:30:14,100 --> 00:30:17,600
Yeah, my throat. 
Still hurts a little bit. 

495
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,300
So like I'm like hitting mute on
my mic and just I haven't 

496
00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:24,400
laughed in days so thank you 
just kind of, it's all 

497
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,900
accordingly. 
It's a joy to know like, oh my 

498
00:30:27,900 --> 00:30:31,700
gosh, that generation is here. 
Men are rise up. 

499
00:30:31,700 --> 00:30:37,000
We're not going to be ashamed or
afraid to talk about The reality

500
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,800
of what's going on here. 
Oh I salute Lee. 

501
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:44,900
Oh yeah for it's funny because 
like there's a few times I was 

502
00:30:44,900 --> 00:30:48,700
sharing with with some of my 
pastors and mentors and just not

503
00:30:48,700 --> 00:30:51,700
mentors but just I was 
completely dismissed by some 

504
00:30:51,700 --> 00:30:56,200
fellow pastors and it was 
frustrating because they're just

505
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:01,800
the trying to imagine anything. 
you know, Supernatural for them 

506
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:07,700
was difficult and I just find it
so ironic cuz You know, our 

507
00:31:07,700 --> 00:31:13,300
entire theological background 
and, and Doctrine in the Bible 

508
00:31:13,300 --> 00:31:17,100
is super centers around. 
Yeah, it centers around at 

509
00:31:17,100 --> 00:31:19,400
somebody that was killed and 
they came back to life. 

510
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:26,200
And it's it's centered around a 
book that, you know, has men 

511
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,700
turning into animals and 
donkeys, talking and angels and 

512
00:31:30,700 --> 00:31:34,700
different types of angels and 
beings with eyes all over them. 

513
00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:38,400
That also have like machine 
Parts and like, you can't just 

514
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,300
can't ignore that stuff, right? 
Can't pick and choose what you 

515
00:31:41,300 --> 00:31:43,700
want. 
So I mean at the very least you 

516
00:31:43,700 --> 00:31:48,600
have to consider that you know 
this stuff does happen to some 

517
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:53,600
extent even if we don't have the
right definitions for the it 

518
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,100
does happen. 
And I think that's one of the 

519
00:31:56,100 --> 00:31:59,300
things that has been in the 
Forefront of my mind. 

520
00:31:59,300 --> 00:32:04,100
Lately is on the show, I have 
covered a good amount of these 

521
00:32:04,100 --> 00:32:07,500
strange and Supernatural topics 
and People are asking me and 

522
00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:10,500
like my private life, I'm going 
church. 

523
00:32:10,500 --> 00:32:12,500
They won't touch it with a 
ten-foot pole. 

524
00:32:12,900 --> 00:32:16,900
I'm getting the personal 
responses and questions from 

525
00:32:16,900 --> 00:32:20,400
people and I have my own things 
that I'm like how do you explain

526
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,400
this and not growing up a 
Christian? 

527
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,000
I mean Easter Christmas service,
kind of Christian but when I 

528
00:32:27,008 --> 00:32:29,900
gave my life to the Lord and 
then read through and just had 

529
00:32:29,900 --> 00:32:34,200
this fresh perspective where I'm
like wow so is that just did 

530
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,300
somebody hit the switch while 
writing this book? 

531
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,600
And now this is just fantasy 
land, okay? 

532
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,500
Now back to law, you guys, and 
you have strong, I'm trying to 

533
00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:45,700
like explain to them if the 
church would deal with the 

534
00:32:45,700 --> 00:32:48,200
supernatural. 
If they would be dealing with 

535
00:32:48,900 --> 00:32:52,000
the body of Christ and the 
ailments that people suffer from

536
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,300
these attacks just like the 
Christ did. 

537
00:32:55,100 --> 00:32:58,400
It's just like the Christ did 
when he walked on this Earth and

538
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,100
he was casting out the legions 
when he came to the other side 

539
00:33:01,100 --> 00:33:03,800
of the lake just like when he 
would spit into the mud and 

540
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,900
he'll someone's, I just like 
when he Make declaration either 

541
00:33:07,900 --> 00:33:13,200
with his mouth or in any which 
way the the Living God was was 

542
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,600
making the supernatural World re
adjust. 

543
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,400
According to his word, his 
commandment. 

544
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,100
He is the embodiment of the 
word. 

545
00:33:20,500 --> 00:33:23,600
And yep, I would go if the 
church would touch this stuff. 

546
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,600
I don't need to designate like 
seventy percent of my time. 

547
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:31,000
Trying to cover these topics. 
I have to be in like full speed 

548
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,500
with these topics because nobody
else will cover them. 

549
00:33:33,500 --> 00:33:35,100
Well, not nobody else but you 
know what I mean? 

550
00:33:35,100 --> 00:33:37,400
Like oh yeah. 
Yeah, all is why we got 

551
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,400
involved. 
Like I said earlier, I love it 

552
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:40,900
has, there's no one else doing 
it. 

553
00:33:41,100 --> 00:33:44,600
I love it but then there's this 
weighing part of me. 

554
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,400
Where recently, I started like 
this micro series where I've 

555
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,000
been doing some like 15 minute, 
25 minute long episodes in 

556
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,100
between these longer 
conversations that the audience 

557
00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:58,600
is used to over the last couple 
years and the idea there is God 

558
00:33:58,600 --> 00:33:59,800
was really putting it on my 
heart. 

559
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,700
I've been saying for years, the 
gift of encouragement, we got to

560
00:34:02,700 --> 00:34:04,100
stir up the gift of 
encouragement. 

561
00:34:04,100 --> 00:34:06,300
I just keep, I feel like it's so
necessary. 

562
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,600
Well it's beyond needed. 
Let's put it that way, from 

563
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,500
everything. 
We've all of us around the world

564
00:34:11,500 --> 00:34:12,800
have been through the last few 
years. 

565
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,800
People need to just be 
organically locking arms with no

566
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,100
ulterior motive in mind but just
encouraging. 

567
00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:23,100
So I've really been trying to 
stir up that gift in myself and 

568
00:34:23,100 --> 00:34:25,000
other people. 
Second Corinthians talks about 

569
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,900
the different gifts that God 
gives, and it's just like, what 

570
00:34:27,900 --> 00:34:30,199
Christ says, the wind blows and 
we don't know where it's coming 

571
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:33,900
from, but when it's on you, you 
know, it and I think that the 

572
00:34:33,900 --> 00:34:39,300
body of Christ needs, these kind
of reminder, As I limp along 

573
00:34:39,300 --> 00:34:44,500
trying to cover and invite 
guests on to help us myself and 

574
00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:47,800
everyone else understand this 
Supernatural world is crisp and 

575
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:52,000
clear and it is functioning and 
we can't be ignorant to it any 

576
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,699
longer. 
So sorry. 

577
00:34:53,699 --> 00:34:57,000
So I don't go rant there. 
Well, you know, I completely out

578
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,700
of me just from hearing you and 
this conversation so far just 

579
00:34:59,700 --> 00:35:03,500
becomes alive in me. 
No, no, amen. 

580
00:35:03,500 --> 00:35:05,400
I completely agree with all of 
it, right? 

581
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,600
We have the tendency to just be 
really dismissive of these 

582
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:15,300
topics and or even just try and 
label everything as as demonic 

583
00:35:15,300 --> 00:35:17,600
to right with ya. 
I'm not sure it says black and 

584
00:35:17,607 --> 00:35:20,500
white is that I agree. 
My favorite ones and I think I 

585
00:35:20,508 --> 00:35:25,900
talked about this on fire theft 
too, but you know, growing up. 

586
00:35:25,900 --> 00:35:30,700
I heard that, you know, all 
ghosts are are demonic but as I 

587
00:35:30,700 --> 00:35:32,300
can as I'm going through. 
Scripture. 

588
00:35:32,300 --> 00:35:36,200
I'm like, okay, hold on. 
A reading through 1st Samuel 28,

589
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,200
and it talks about Saul going to
the witch of Endor. 

590
00:35:40,300 --> 00:35:44,400
Yes, and she brings up the the 
spirit of Samuel. 

591
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:49,400
And the Bible doesn't say, you 
know, it's a demon pertaining to

592
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,800
be the spirit of Samuel. 
It says Samuel shoots up and 

593
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,000
says, why have you awakened me, 
right? 

594
00:35:55,100 --> 00:35:58,600
And so you really have to do 
some theological cartwheels to 

595
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,500
dismiss some of these topics. 
Absolutely North them. 

596
00:36:03,100 --> 00:36:05,500
So yeah. 
The which of endures does she 

597
00:36:05,500 --> 00:36:07,200
screams out? 
If I remember correct. 

598
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,500
So, you know, manik one in the 
picture here is terrified of 

599
00:36:10,500 --> 00:36:13,500
what's coming. 
Yeah, yeah. 

600
00:36:13,500 --> 00:36:18,500
And and Samuel talk. 
So even have in Matthew 17, when

601
00:36:18,500 --> 00:36:22,500
Elijah and Moses appear on the 
mountain with Jesus, it's like, 

602
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,800
they were people who died a long
time before this moment. 

603
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,500
And all of a sudden there on the
mountain with Jesus, like 

604
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:36,100
anybody passing In going home, 
that's Elijah and Moses like 

605
00:36:36,100 --> 00:36:38,900
that would be the definition of 
a ghost, somebody who's passed 

606
00:36:38,900 --> 00:36:42,000
and is now present in our 
reality, right? 

607
00:36:42,700 --> 00:36:45,700
Or even when Jesus is walking on
water and the disciples are 

608
00:36:45,700 --> 00:36:49,500
like, it's a ghost, it could, 
you know, if if all ghosts were 

609
00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:52,400
demonic, it would have been a 
really great teaching moment for

610
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:59,700
Jesus to be like, no, actually 
all ghosts are demonic and in 

611
00:36:59,700 --> 00:37:02,200
job somewhere in the middle of 
the Night. 

612
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:06,300
He I think it's job for. 
I should have my scripture in 

613
00:37:06,300 --> 00:37:08,800
front of me so I don't get this 
wrong but audience check me on 

614
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,800
this. 
I believe it's job for maybe 

615
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,500
job, six a spirit Glides past 
him in the middle of the night 

616
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,800
and it says something 
paraphrasing. 

617
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,900
Along the lines of can a mere 
man, be more righteous than as 

618
00:37:19,900 --> 00:37:22,300
makers on that doesn't sound 
demonic to me. 

619
00:37:22,300 --> 00:37:27,400
I mean, no, no, maybe I'm wrong,
but it sounds like something was

620
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,300
kind of a comforting him in this
suffering, like, dude, you're 

621
00:37:31,300 --> 00:37:33,800
not me. 
Righteous then God trust, like 

622
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,800
you, like, you don't make 
Declaration of things you don't 

623
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,300
know about. 
That's kind of job might take 

624
00:37:38,300 --> 00:37:42,300
from it, but, and in context, 
because I know a lot of times 

625
00:37:42,300 --> 00:37:44,400
people say, oh, you're jumping 
around and using scriptures here

626
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:49,000
and there, and it's like, I 
believe once I forgot who said 

627
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,500
this, Nathan, but it was 
reminded to me more recent than 

628
00:37:53,500 --> 00:37:58,700
not, when aleko quotes this 
other person who says, if you're

629
00:37:58,700 --> 00:38:01,400
claiming, you had a supernatural
experience. 

630
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:06,900
Then I would argue you either, 
like, made it up or and didn't 

631
00:38:06,900 --> 00:38:09,000
really have it or you just 
weren't paying attention. 

632
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,200
If it doesn't change you like 
it's almost like you become 

633
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:13,500
obsessed. 
Yeah. 

634
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,100
I don't remember. 
I think it was one of the 

635
00:38:16,100 --> 00:38:18,400
exorcism movies and I'm not 
saying go and watch. 

636
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,500
This is put, it was one of the 
exorcism we don't wear too. 

637
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,700
Yeah, I know I remember reading 
about, I think it was based on a

638
00:38:26,707 --> 00:38:30,400
true story where there was a 
agnostic priest, so he didn't 

639
00:38:30,700 --> 00:38:33,400
wasn't sure if he believed in. 
Not which is just bizarre and 

640
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:38,100
its own ends up getting involved
with some Deliverance stuff and 

641
00:38:38,100 --> 00:38:42,700
he gets confronted by possessed 
person and he has this instant 

642
00:38:42,700 --> 00:38:46,700
Revelation he's like hold on, if
Satan is real that means god is 

643
00:38:46,700 --> 00:38:51,700
real to completely changes him. 
And that's yeah that's what a 

644
00:38:51,707 --> 00:38:53,400
supernatural encounter should 
do. 

645
00:38:53,900 --> 00:38:58,300
Should lead you digging and 
wanting more and studying and 

646
00:38:58,300 --> 00:39:00,900
researching. 
And I just remember that being 

647
00:39:00,900 --> 00:39:04,500
so profound. 
And like he changed his life. 

648
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,300
I think everybody knows somebody
with a strange Supernatural 

649
00:39:08,300 --> 00:39:09,600
encounter. 
I mean, really at the end of the

650
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,800
day, when people take all that 
like, false Persona of like, oh 

651
00:39:12,808 --> 00:39:14,600
well, this is me, I'm a 
businessman. 

652
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,300
Or I'm the Sous that, like, I've
noticed, like, over time as 

653
00:39:17,300 --> 00:39:20,200
people, like warmed up to me. 
And some people used to make fun

654
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,100
of me for this. 
Call me and text me, and be 

655
00:39:22,107 --> 00:39:23,800
like, yo, what do you think 
about this? 

656
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,700
And I'm like, go read job. 
The word, man, I can't help you.

657
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:32,900
Yeah. 
Even if we have a glimpse, it's 

658
00:39:32,900 --> 00:39:36,700
enough in my opinion to keep it 
on the back burner. 

659
00:39:39,500 --> 00:39:41,400
Now I don't normally like, go 
down this route. 

660
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,000
I've mentioned this on the show 
a couple times but I had gotten 

661
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:50,100
jump when I was in my early 
early 20s 19, 20 years old and I

662
00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:51,900
had a minor out-of-body 
experience. 

663
00:39:52,300 --> 00:39:55,500
Hmm, sounds like threatening 
hey, oh yeah, it was definitely 

664
00:39:55,500 --> 00:39:58,400
a near-death encounter. 
The reason I bring that up, is 

665
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,100
everything changed for me. 
After that, I was watching my 

666
00:40:02,100 --> 00:40:06,000
friends frolicking through life,
going to college some, go into 

667
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,300
the military. 
Some of them, they're not here 

668
00:40:08,300 --> 00:40:10,400
anymore. 
Or because of, you know, drugs 

669
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,700
and crazy stuff, car accidents, 
drinking and driving, but I 

670
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:19,100
dealt with like PTSD for years. 
After that was so significant 

671
00:40:19,100 --> 00:40:24,100
and it wasn't until I could 
really understand that God can 

672
00:40:24,100 --> 00:40:28,400
use things that seem like 
they're so dark or so like, why 

673
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,000
my life, right? 
When I'm getting ready to 

674
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,800
Blossom and I should have like, 
you know, did this or did that? 

675
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,000
Why was I dealing with stress 
and couldn't get out of my own 

676
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,900
head? 
And why was I so obsessed with? 

677
00:40:37,900 --> 00:40:39,500
Well, what the heck? 
Heck is going to happen when I 

678
00:40:39,500 --> 00:40:41,900
really do die. 
And I remember being like kind 

679
00:40:41,900 --> 00:40:44,200
of upset because I'm like, I'm 
in my Prime. 

680
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,900
I'm like 20 years old. 
Yeah, now in my mid-30s I'm 

681
00:40:47,900 --> 00:40:52,100
going God, I'm sorry like you 
humbled me. 

682
00:40:53,500 --> 00:40:57,400
God can use these rough 
situations or these testing 

683
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,100
time. 
Even if you're not calling on 

684
00:40:59,100 --> 00:41:03,400
his name, he still knows you. 
He still sees you and I hope 

685
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,900
that that's encouragement that 
God is on the throne. 

686
00:41:07,300 --> 00:41:11,100
The resurrection is real. 
All of these dark entities. 

687
00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:16,600
They bowed down at the name of 
Christ and he loves each one of 

688
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,500
us. 
I mean, that's how we fell in 

689
00:41:19,500 --> 00:41:21,300
love with, with delivering 
stuff, right? 

690
00:41:21,300 --> 00:41:25,500
Because there's There's people 
that are looking for help, they 

691
00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:29,300
there's a need that needs to be 
filled and it's just clear that 

692
00:41:29,300 --> 00:41:32,200
the church isn't currently 
stepping up to the plate to 

693
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:36,200
fulfill that need. 
And we are seeing people. 

694
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,000
And that's not to say everyone 
is called to do the types of 

695
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,100
things. 
You and I are talking about, I 

696
00:41:42,107 --> 00:41:45,400
don't believe that at all but at
the same time they're there 

697
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,400
isn't enough, right? 
And we have been training a few 

698
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:53,700
more people, but I only believe 
that it's going to get Not to 

699
00:41:53,700 --> 00:41:55,800
not to give the enemy credit, 
but I do believe, it is going to

700
00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:00,500
get darker and darker until you 
know, Christ returns to some 

701
00:42:00,500 --> 00:42:02,100
extent. 
I do believe that the light is 

702
00:42:02,100 --> 00:42:04,000
going to be moving. 
Just as powerfully that there 

703
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:10,600
will be many more saved and 
healed and delivered, but there 

704
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,400
are dark days ahead as the 
enemies moving behind the scenes

705
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,600
and throughout the land. 
And I think now more than ever 

706
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,000
Christians, need to be talking 
about these things, warning 

707
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,600
people, and that doesn't mean No
standing on a soapbox on the 

708
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:30,400
corner with a megaphone shouting
at people as they walk by, but 

709
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,600
just through everyday 
conversations with our neighbors

710
00:42:33,700 --> 00:42:36,500
and with people to grocery store
and gas stations. 

711
00:42:36,500 --> 00:42:40,100
And, you know, one of our 
commissions from from Bible 

712
00:42:40,100 --> 00:42:43,400
schools was like, don't go home 
and try and impress people with 

713
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,000
all this knowledge and and 
theology, is it go home? 

714
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:51,500
And I mean, we're all students 
still, it's go home and take out

715
00:42:51,500 --> 00:42:53,200
the trash. 
When you have them in a store, 

716
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:58,200
mow the lawn or help carry your 
neighbors groceries in or pay 

717
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,500
for something ahead of you with 
a little note, saying I'm 

718
00:43:01,500 --> 00:43:04,900
praying for you or God cares 
about where you're at and and 

719
00:43:04,900 --> 00:43:07,800
those are the types of things 
that that plant seeds and those 

720
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,200
are the type of things that 
change people. 

721
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,600
So very well said. 
And my wife is going to be 

722
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,300
looking at me when she listens 
to this part of the episode 

723
00:43:18,300 --> 00:43:19,800
going to take the trash out 
more. 

724
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,100
What are you doing, man? 
Yeah. 

725
00:43:22,700 --> 00:43:25,200
It's so true man. 
It's so true. 

726
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,000
Christ says, you shall know my 
disciples by the love. 

727
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,300
They have for one another. 
So Nathan. 

728
00:43:31,300 --> 00:43:34,200
What is the plan moving forward?
With the podcast? 

729
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,800
You guys are a newer show. 
Do you plan on doing like 

730
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,400
interview dealing with stories? 
You have like listeners sending 

731
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,300
in stores. 
You plan on interviewing people.

732
00:43:43,300 --> 00:43:45,700
Like what? 
Just, just to give my listeners 

733
00:43:45,700 --> 00:43:49,200
and idea as they look for you 
here down the road, like what 

734
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:50,600
are you guys gonna do? 
Absolutely. 

735
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:56,500
So, We started off just being 
like Hey we're going to just 

736
00:43:56,700 --> 00:44:00,600
kind of talk about these topics 
and our first three or four 

737
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,800
episodes were on topics. 
We've done time and time again 

738
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,800
and it's probably another few 
episodes we could do on stuff. 

739
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,000
We're really familiar with, at 
some point, we want to do 

740
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,800
another one on Ley lines, but we
realized very quickly that we're

741
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,300
not experts on everything and we
knew that going into it but 

742
00:44:19,300 --> 00:44:21,400
we're like wow we're going to 
we're going to run out of 

743
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,300
content really? 
If we don't start having other 

744
00:44:24,300 --> 00:44:27,700
people on, or if we don't turn 
it into more of a conversational

745
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:32,100
podcast, more radio radio style 
podcast because we were doing 

746
00:44:32,100 --> 00:44:34,800
all scripted prior to. 
So we tried a couple of just 

747
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,400
back and forth, where we talked 
about some different topics. 

748
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,100
We did one on Cults and secret 
societies that way, and then 

749
00:44:42,100 --> 00:44:46,500
we're switching to. 
Okay, we need to start bringing 

750
00:44:46,500 --> 00:44:51,200
in guests for for each episode 
on different topics and we're 

751
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,700
kind of a hybrid. 
David podcast in terms of, you 

752
00:44:54,707 --> 00:44:59,700
know, where we're Christian 
hosts but it's not overtly 

753
00:44:59,700 --> 00:45:01,700
Christian. 
I mean, there's I mean we just 

754
00:45:01,700 --> 00:45:06,500
interviewed judge Burton, right?
So like there's there's topics 

755
00:45:06,500 --> 00:45:09,700
that are very clearly Christian 
and from a Biblical Christian 

756
00:45:09,700 --> 00:45:13,200
Perspective but it's not a 
Christian podcast per se. 

757
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,600
Does that does that make sense? 
Lutely. 

758
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,700
Absolutely. 
It's very similar to where we 

759
00:45:17,700 --> 00:45:20,200
were going into these groups 
before and talk about these 

760
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,200
topics, but it wasn't 
necessarily us. 

761
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,200
I was preaching or conversing 
with other Christians so we're 

762
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:30,300
still trying to figure that out.
We're still new and and learning

763
00:45:30,300 --> 00:45:32,200
and growing. 
But that's the that's the 

764
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,600
general direction. 
Going forward is having guests 

765
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,900
on to share about different 
topics and it's going back and 

766
00:45:37,900 --> 00:45:40,600
forth with them before I ask my 
next question. 

767
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,900
I wanted to bring up that I 
think is super significant is 

768
00:45:43,900 --> 00:45:46,700
the body of Christ, being in 
agreement. 

769
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,200
And a lot of the times, people 
think. 

770
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,600
Oh, you gotta close this church 
and that church. 

771
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,500
And we have to be Like whatever.
Like know the idea is the Bible 

772
00:45:55,500 --> 00:45:59,900
says, one Spirit one mind and 
one baptism right in Christ. 

773
00:45:59,900 --> 00:46:03,000
And in the power of who he is, 
and I just want to say that from

774
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,900
my listeners, especially here in
Southeastern Pennsylvania. 

775
00:46:07,100 --> 00:46:09,500
You guys know when the show 
we've been calling to the body 

776
00:46:09,500 --> 00:46:12,200
of Christ. 
Pray for each other encourage 

777
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,500
each other and let's lock arms 
for the days moving forward. 

778
00:46:15,700 --> 00:46:18,500
But just to make the 
clarification, it's not about 

779
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,000
closing down a denomination. 
I think. 

780
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,300
I've been trying to show you 
guys. 

781
00:46:22,500 --> 00:46:26,300
You're on this podcast that. 
Let's highlight what people have

782
00:46:26,300 --> 00:46:27,800
right? 
Instead of trying to write a 

783
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,500
book about what's wrong with 
this or do you spend too much 

784
00:46:30,500 --> 00:46:32,100
time? 
Let's try to highlight what we 

785
00:46:32,100 --> 00:46:35,800
have right and continue to agree
on the power of Christ. 

786
00:46:36,900 --> 00:46:39,300
Now, Nathan, you're in the 
Canadian wilderness. 

787
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,000
What does that even mean? 
Like, are you 30 miles of the 

788
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,800
next leg Town? 
Yeah. 

789
00:46:45,100 --> 00:46:47,400
So we can I comment on your last
point. 

790
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,600
They're just really quick 
solution and then I'll drop it. 

791
00:46:49,700 --> 00:46:53,800
Yeah. 
So I like we're the the church 

792
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,300
on part of we're midsize church 
and we're a non-denominational 

793
00:46:57,300 --> 00:47:00,600
church, which means that were a 
multi-denominational church. 

794
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,800
Like we have all sorts of 
different denominations and 

795
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,300
backgrounds and I think it's 
Sookie. 

796
00:47:06,300 --> 00:47:10,100
What? 
Said that unless unless it's a 

797
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,300
Salvation issue, there's going 
to be different interpretations.

798
00:47:13,300 --> 00:47:16,400
That's right. 
And and it's we have to 

799
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,800
understand that we're one body 
many parts that were all card 

800
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,300
called to different parts of our
society and culture and that may

801
00:47:23,300 --> 00:47:26,200
look different for for one 
person than it does the other. 

802
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:30,200
But I think of when Paul talks 
about the the meat before the 

803
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:34,600
idols and he says, you know, if 
you feel conviction not to eat 

804
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,000
the meat because it's been 
offered to idols, Owls then 

805
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,600
don't eat the meat but if you 
don't feel conviction to not eat

806
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:45,000
the meat and go ahead and eat 
the meat and I think whenever we

807
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,600
talk to other Christian speakers
or listen, we need to take the 

808
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:51,000
meat and throw the bones. 
Yes, that's the way we're going 

809
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,700
to be able to go together 
because we'll never agree on on 

810
00:47:54,900 --> 00:47:58,000
absolutely everything. 
And again unless it's core 

811
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:02,000
salvation issue, we need to be 
prepared to set aside our 

812
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:03,700
differences and Minister 
together. 

813
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,400
So amen. 
What was your Is your question? 

814
00:48:07,900 --> 00:48:12,800
Oh yes, I remember Canada's. 
So the states has about 10 times

815
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:17,800
the population as Canada. 
We're really kind of spread out 

816
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,400
until you hit about central 
Canada and then it's like 

817
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,200
Wilderness up North with very 
few people. 

818
00:48:25,300 --> 00:48:29,400
Yeah. 
So Edmonton is Alberta's capital

819
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,100
city and Edmonton's called the 
gateway to the north because 

820
00:48:33,100 --> 00:48:37,700
it's Canada's largest. 
Northernmost City. 

821
00:48:37,700 --> 00:48:41,800
And it's funny cuz we're still 
about central Canada, but we're 

822
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:48,000
the largest city northward and 
we used to be the last stop for 

823
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:54,000
supplies, for the gold miners 
and coal miners, and all sorts 

824
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:59,100
of other occupations as they 
went North and railroad workers.

825
00:48:59,100 --> 00:49:01,900
So, that's where we're 
broadcasting from. 

826
00:49:01,900 --> 00:49:05,000
Lots of wilderness around here, 
lots of mountains, lots of 

827
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:10,200
Sasquatch and For activity. 
We have a little area set up 

828
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,500
where I work and that's where we
broadcast from. 

829
00:49:12,500 --> 00:49:16,200
And we do play on the whole 
Cabin in the Woods thing. 

830
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:20,000
We love you know it but it is a 
bit of an exaggeration to. 

831
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,300
So all right I got a comment on 
that. 

832
00:49:23,300 --> 00:49:26,500
Sure, the last stop to the north
right and he's like, you know, 

833
00:49:26,500 --> 00:49:28,900
nugget men are coming in with 
like leather and guns and 

834
00:49:28,900 --> 00:49:30,500
they're like, we're going for 
gold. 

835
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:35,800
Do they ever come back pretty 
much everyone northward is 

836
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:42,000
either like An old generational 
minor like from a hundred years 

837
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:46,500
ago or like homeless hippies. 
Like those are the two types of 

838
00:49:46,500 --> 00:49:50,700
people you find find North a lot
of First Nations groups to, but 

839
00:49:50,700 --> 00:49:55,500
again just very spread out. 
So I have had dreams of hitting 

840
00:49:55,500 --> 00:49:58,100
the Canadian wilderness but I 
don't think I'm built for that 

841
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,600
would definitely need a jacket. 
Do they have a Chick-fil-A up? 

842
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,000
No, do Chick-fil-A's. 
We do have Popeyes now though. 

843
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,200
And like, Popeyes are shooting 
up across the city. 

844
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:13,000
Oh well I'm very popular. 
Yeah, it's very cool man. 

845
00:50:13,100 --> 00:50:15,700
Yeah, it's been a pleasure to 
talk with you. 

846
00:50:16,300 --> 00:50:20,300
I loved everything that you were
saying here tonight and I feel 

847
00:50:20,300 --> 00:50:23,800
like you guys are going to do 
exactly what you're setting out 

848
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:28,800
to accomplish just thankful that
I got to interview you and talk 

849
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,700
with you. 
And yeah, it's been a huge 

850
00:50:30,700 --> 00:50:33,700
pleasure, I love doing episodes 
like this. 

851
00:50:33,700 --> 00:50:37,800
So yeah, any time in the future 
that you want, To talk or chat. 

852
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,500
I'm I'm happy to do so. 
Well, tell the listeners where 

853
00:50:40,500 --> 00:50:43,100
they can find you Nathan where 
they can find your show and 

854
00:50:43,100 --> 00:50:45,200
anything else that you want them
to know about. 

855
00:50:46,100 --> 00:50:48,900
Sure. 
So our investigation companies 

856
00:50:48,900 --> 00:50:53,400
called a period or research and 
investigations Imperial is Latin

857
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:57,900
for exposing light. 
Then midnight Mysteries is on 

858
00:50:57,900 --> 00:51:02,900
Instagram as midnight Mysteries 
radio and that's all of our 

859
00:51:02,900 --> 00:51:05,800
links are. 
There we do a bunch of posts 

860
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:10,600
around different topics and then
I've started up a different one 

861
00:51:10,900 --> 00:51:13,800
when I say start it up, I mean, 
I created the logo and that's as

862
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,800
far as I've gotten. 
Our podcast called paranormal 

863
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:22,300
pastor and it's more of these 
topics, but from Strictly a 

864
00:51:22,308 --> 00:51:24,800
Christian perspective to 
Christians. 

865
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,100
Whereas again, like I said, 
earlier midnight Mysteries is 

866
00:51:27,100 --> 00:51:31,600
more of a bridge podcast for 
it's not overtly as Christians. 

867
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:37,200
So those are my, my handles I 
guess that is it that's the 

868
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,700
show. 
If you guys found this episode 

869
00:51:39,700 --> 00:51:43,900
to be helpful to be encouraging,
if you learn something new, I 

870
00:51:43,900 --> 00:51:45,700
ask that you would share this 
with a friend. 

871
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,800
Friend, a family member, A 
co-worker, your neighbor, share 

872
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,700
it with your pastor coming to 
you from Southeastern 

873
00:51:52,700 --> 00:51:55,100
Pennsylvania. 
God Bless America. 

874
00:51:56,100 --> 00:51:56,600
Goodbye.
