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Hello, folks, this is Princess, 
you are listening to the 

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millennial Mustard Seed, pod 
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Thanks for listening. 
Don't forget to share with your 

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friends. 
I stopped wearing a very tough 

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spot. 
I think that what we're doing 

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right now is a great benefit and
virtue because it's an 

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end-around between this whole 
corrupt informational system 

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media system. 
We claim to believe in a God who

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spoke the universe into 
existence and literally raised 

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himself from the dead. 
And yet, we're not going to 

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believe that anything else 
exists in the spirit realm, even

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though his word tells us that 
they do, Their bodies weren't 

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permitted to go to sleep, like, 
humans do, and they weren't 

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permitted to go to heaven. 
So they wander the Earth, you 

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know, I've seen the eyes turned 
black to unknown tongues being 

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spoken. 
These Giants were love way up 

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with all the upgrades, the young
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The way for one of these 12 
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the back and he would jump on 
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Then people start to get 
weapons, they start to get 

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armor, they start to build 
cities they still supported by 

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their cities. 
Now God looks down and there's 

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violence everywhere. 
The battle this war that we are 

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at is not against each other. 
It's against these 

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principalities in these rulers 
in, these are cons in high 

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places. 
It's really worthwhile to read 

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the Bible. 
A beer is one of the primary 

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drivers of mind control because 
we have to take every thought 

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captive and resist. 
You're going to have a testimony

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that is a Justice case against 
the kingdom of darkness. 

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Welcome back to the millennial 
Mustard Seed pod cast, I have an

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excellent Episode in store for 
you guys, I have dr. 

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Mike Davis here with me and this
is a crazy. 

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Cool conversation. 
He's the president lead trainer 

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of the Optimal Performance. 
Mike is a Christian and he has 

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done some extensive research 
over the last 20 years and we 

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dive into a sound mind. 
Renewing the mind how the whole 

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entire breakdown of how much 
that actually changes. 

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Has our bodies Our Lives, the 
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This is an important one because
I know a lot of the times people

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are dealing with fear doubt. 
And let's just be honest you 

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guys we haven't always had the 
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To teach us how to think or how 
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that we go through. 
And in today's day and age, it's

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imperative that we slow down and
we hear a message like what Mike

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I wanted to give a real quick. 
Shout out to Chuck over a fire 

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theft radio for getting me in 
contact with Mike Davis. 

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You guys will love his show, 
hopefully he'll be on here in 

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the future. 
I'm really excited for this 

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episode. 
It's two hours long Mike 

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literally just does his thing I 
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he's just a teacher at heart. 
And information just flows out 

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of him in this episode but I'm 
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time. 
I am ready for this episode. 

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Are you guys ready? 
Let's go. 

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Welcome back to the show 
everybody. 

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I have an excellent guest here. 
Mike, welcome to the show and 

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thank you so much for being 
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Happy to be here. 
Why don't you just let me in the

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audience? 
Know a little bit of your 

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testimony, your background kind 
of how you found your calling 

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and what you're doing, okay? 
How you became a Christian. 

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I'm 57 now became a Christian 
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Revelation of all things. 
It's a long story that I won't 

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get into everything, but my 
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my 14th birthday. 
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at the time in Illinois. 
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California. 
Well, my brother's house going 

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to Joint, my mother had moved 
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And I was going to join them the
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reading the Bible, one night 
just house board. 

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Actually, and I was reading 
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and God just used it to imprint 
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are real and I end up accepting 
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about 2:00. 
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myself. 
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just had an insatiable desire to
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Nobody told me to do that. 
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shows me the work of the holy 
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desire to read the Bible. 
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that time. 
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started reading through the back
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favorites me over and over and 
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some dreams. 
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I kind of knew that there were 
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can speak to you through dreams,
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of that. 
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long story short, the dream I 
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leadership. 
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leadership at the time I had 
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dream, I was in this Cavern, 
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hell, And on the other side and 
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this crevice this, this we're 
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separating one side from the 
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friends and teachers and it was 
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this molten lava and so I we 
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people were battling these 
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And I just remember in the 
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the, for the glory of the Lord, 
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leaped across this cabin and 
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In my hand. 
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enemy was on the other side and 
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let him get to me. 
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And I woke up and I was like, 
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I wouldn't told my teacher, the 
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teacher said well, I don't know 
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Christian or not. 
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means you're called the 
leadership and I was like, yeah,

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I thought I was like, whoa, so I
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I was 15. 
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was pronounced breed praying and
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just knew that I was called into
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I didn't know what type of first
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I'll just going to be a Bible 
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Like I'd saw a television, I 
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Bible. 
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much as I could trying to learn 
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And, you know, knew I was called
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I would teach Bible studies. 
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California, I'm in Southern 
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you know, we're in these 
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pass out tracts to the kids and 
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Lord. 
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complex, you know. 
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would stay, but, you know, but 
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stay. 
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little about the Bible. 
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then repeating what? 
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I started. 
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didn't, but I don't like it. 
I'm just teaching a Bible, but I

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was doing that and I knew it was
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She said you're called the pass.
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to be a pastor new. 
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didn't want to be at the no, no,
I just want to travel around and

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teach the Bible but years, later
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pastorate. 
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know, in a course of time, when 
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I said I'm going to seek God. 
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Ministry so I decided this was 
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it was. 
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I decided not to date. 
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I was 15. 
I thought board at, for some 

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something said, you need to get 
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Holy Spirit, you need to prepare
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So I thought I'm going to spend 
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preparing to do to fulfill my 
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So I just, I didn't date. 
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life, was that praying and 
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So I didn't do anything. 18. 
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Frank, praying studying the 
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I was looking for my three cats 
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day, but I didn't date. 
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the hands of Lord. 
I said, you know, Laura what I 

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like, you know what? 
I don't like. 

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I'll trust you and I believe he 
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me pick for you, I'll pick for 
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Someone better than you could 
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So this is 15 fast forward. 
I'm about getting ready to turn 

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21 and I meet Eat, who was the 
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wife, Karen, she we met and we 
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There's a whole story to that, 
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got, we end up getting married, 
three years later and so, I've 

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been married. 
We've been, we've been together 

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thirty-seven years. 
We've been married. 34 would be 

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35 this year. 
So yeah, we've been very for a 

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while. 
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know, we did we started a church
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we were pastoring in leading 
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And there are always small 
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And I have been in Ministry 
because I used to travel like, 

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to go to New York and Minister, 
and it was kind of fulfilling 

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that dream. 
I never wanted to be a pastor, I

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remember the one when they walk 
into my bedroom, this is before 

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I got married and God just 
dropped in my heart to Shepherd 

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his sheep. 
I never had a desire for that 

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and I just II distinctively. 
Remember, walking into the 

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bedroom walking across the room,
all sounded just like link clue 

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and I went yeah II just had this
love and concern and care for 

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God's people into want to 
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Not just going in deliver a 
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And so I knew that's what the 
Lord had called me to do and and

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so we did that for a while we 
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church. 
Called our first church was 

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burying Christian Fellowship 
because in the midst of that, 

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what happened was two things. 
That was significant that I was 

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involved in a particular week. 
I had a charismatic background 

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noise belong to a particular 
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some of the things we were 
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We're not right. 
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And so I started doing research,
you know, and I had heard a 

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minister on television scholar 
would said, if you're going to 

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study the Bible, especially if 
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you need to understand it in its
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context, and he said, for the 
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Judaism. 
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Okay, so I need to understand 
something about first century 

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Judaism and so that's what I did
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Someone just brought me water so
I began I start I realized that.

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Okay if I need to own understand
the Bible because I saw that 

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some of the Theology of what I 
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I said this is not solid 
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You know we need to bet when 
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be better in our theology. 
We need to have a better 

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theological foundation so I 
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for the most part it was trying 
to prove that what I had been 

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taught was right and You're 
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Some things. 
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saw old man. 
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wrong. 
This is not right. 

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But we made it, you know, my 
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that and I found a mentor who 
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doctor, William being, and he 
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years in biblical studies. 
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school for pastors who wanted to
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degree. 
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him for a few years, then I end 
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D from his school. 
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A doctor of Theology and my 
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Bible and its cultural context 
of the degree was a degree in 

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first century Christianity in 
his Jewish context. 

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I got my masters and doctorate 
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in the, in his Jewish context 
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studying Jesus, and his context 
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jurors the gospels like, what 
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Oof and as long as it's not, my 
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still is. 
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just phenomenal, the way he was 
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that at one point and I need a 
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So my wife and I got married. 
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marriage. 
My wife comes to me and says, I 

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hate being married. 
I don't want to be married 

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anymore and I don't want to have
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anymore. 
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wife had been severely abused as
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She had been sexually abused. 
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physically abused. 
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the time, I'm 23, she's 22. 
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shoes, experiencing PTSD. 
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later. 
What she says, when you reach 

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for me, I didn't see your hand. 
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who abuse me. 
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Our first year of marriage, 
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been married. 
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since I was 16 years old and it 
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tormenting fear in my mind, it 
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gotten installed because of 
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church meeting and a prayer 
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door for the devil to plant this
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fear and I would have been 
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I was Now 23 going on 24 and it 

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was growing and I did everything
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I prayed I faster. 
Over evil, I rebuke the devil. 

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He wouldn't buek, I bind the 
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I did everything that I could do
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relief from the fear. 
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about a year into our marriage. 
We're dealing with this with my 

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wife, she doesn't want to be 
touched. 

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I would reach for my wife to be 
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She would just clench up, and 
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and just clench up really tight 
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She was having PTSD flashbacks, 
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And she didn't know what it was.
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I went to God. 
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I don't I want to be married to 
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I don't know what to do. 
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struggling with and the first 
thing we saw I'm sitting down 

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reading my Bible and a nephew is
growing. 

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I said Lord what do I do? 
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do it and that day, I happened 
to be in Reading in Romans 

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chapter 12 where it says be 
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your mind. 
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Lord speaks to me through that 
verse and I hear you need to 

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renew your mind and I said to 
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mind. 
I've been a Christian for 10 

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years. 
I pray every day. 

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I read my Bible every day. 
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that's all I heard was you need 
to renew your mind, nothing else

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will say. 
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saying I need to renew my mind I
thought I was evidently I 

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haven't teach me how to renew my
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And that began a journey of 
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mind about emotions. 
And that's really how it started

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because of what I was struggling
with and also with what my wife 

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is struggling with because you 
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the abuse that she was, you 
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And she would pry, it should go.
It's not you it's not you and I 

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would think to myself it has to 
be me. 

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I'm the only one here, you know,
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It was he was what she was 
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So I was asking God for Answers 
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well, why didn't you guys go to 
counseling? 

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And I jokingly, but seriously 
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to counseling. 
It's that's on why people do. 

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But people think coming down 
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the black community. 
There was a stigma for going to 

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counseling. 
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go. 
It was, it never occurred to me 

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to go to counseling. 
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That's not what we did in our 
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So I didn't. 
I was so we, I Only thing I knew

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to do, I prayed, I said God, 
what do I do? 

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So little by little and I'm 
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I began learning about the mind,
I began learning about emotions.

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At first, I was reading all the 
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and I hate to say, they weren't 
much help because I was asking, 

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God questions about emotions. 
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literature, I was reading at 
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were married in 88. 
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Most of the Christian literature
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there's not much you can do 
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you got to make the right 
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Seek to think the right 
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and eventually your emotions 
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So the response towards emotions
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the what I was reading the 
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I even have a book today in my 
library, where the guy basically

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says, there's not much you can 
do about him and this is a 

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famous Christian. 
What we do in the mind and he 

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basically says, I think, what I 
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And the guy said, and by the 
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not trying to put him down 
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Now everybody's doing their best
to help people. 

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So his view was, there's not 
much you can do about your 

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emotion, you provide the Forum 
in God will fill it and by that 

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he means, amen, let's say you 
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Well, you just act lovey. 
Make the decision to act, loving

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and God will fill your heart 
with love. 

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Eventually, and I always like to
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God will somewhere down the 
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Your emotions will catch up. 
We don't know when we don't know

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how but eventually they will 
catch up that wasn't helping me.

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I was tormented by this fear, I 
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fear would take over people with
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Well, you got to trust God. 
You got to do it by faith. 

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I try that. 
And that fear just would be so 

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powerful. 
And so, the more I start 

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learning. 
Wow, I started to recognize that

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we We lack wisdom when it came 
to deal with our emotions are 

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starting to study about the my 
now starting to see things that 

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and at the same time I was 
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And I believe this was the plan 
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So while I'm starting to study 
about the mind and emotions, I'm

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also studying the Bible in his 
historical and cultural and 

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linguistic context. 
So I'm going deeper into the 

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scriptures, looking at things in
Greek, and Hebrew and the 

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culture of the day, what I'm 
learning because I had to go, I 

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had to step outside my Christian
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on psychology. 
Elegy. 

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I start reading books on 
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from. 
That was kind of a taboo at the 

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time. 
It's like, no, no, no. 

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You just stick with the Bible. 
You stick with Christian books 

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and if you outside of that was, 
it was, it was considered taboo.

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So I was reading these things, 
but I was seeing things and I 

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would go back. 
I'm leaving. 

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This is what I just learned over
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actually means in Hebrew, and 
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emotions. 
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each other and I was Days. 
And it will, I think it's the 

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grace of God that I was learning
these things in parallel because

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I have to say, I was scared. 
I was like, I don't know if this

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is right or not what I'm 
starting over here in psychology

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stuff, but then I'm reading 
stuff in my biblical studies, 

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you know, doing more advanced 
studies, more deeper studies and

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their parallel in each other and
I believe God used that to bring

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me along. 
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learning to myself and I can't 
tell you when it happened. 

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One day, I looked up and I 
realized that Fear was gone. 

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It was completely gone. 
I don't even remember when it 

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left, I just knew I was no 
longer tormented in my mind that

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it was directly cause of what I 
learned about the emotions of 

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learning, how to renew my mind. 
Then what happened is my wife 

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started because I start teaching
these things that are little 

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Fellowship, you know, and just 
didn't know as much as I do now.

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But I was sharing what I knew, 
people start applying it or my 

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wife started applying it and she
started to find Freedom And 37 

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years later. 
You know what, 34 years later in

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terms of marriage, we're still 
together people. 

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You know, because I always 
jokingly said he was a. 

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Well, did you guys ever overcome
that I go? 

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Well, we got, you know, three 
daughters. 

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So yeah, we overcame I said, but
it was the grace of God leading 

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us and guiding us. 
Step-by-step my why I always 

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tell people, my wife is my hero 
because I know what she 

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overcame. 
I know that obstacle she's to be

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depressed every day. 
Almost every day, is she would 

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cry. 
Because of what she was feeling,

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she felt like she was a bad 
wife. 

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She felt like she was a bad 
Keeper of the house and 

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everything. 
She just felt horrible but it 

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was, it was all that stuff. 
So she started finding Freedom. 

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Then friends of mine would come 
over and in these, are people in

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the ministry and they would go 
home. 

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And I'm just struggling with 
stuff. 

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And what I found Rod was a lot 
of people spend. 

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Even ministers were secretly 
struggling with the emotions, 

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like, I was struggling, but 
nobody knew it and we were all 

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kind of keeping a front of Or 
people faith. 

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And we believe God and we 
believe his word, but privately 

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they're struck, they were 
struggling. 

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So I started one of my friends 
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well, and by the way, I was 
reluctant to share what I knew 

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because again, I'll still like, 
I don't know. 

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This is completely gotten on 
finding Freedom. 

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My wife was like, I don't know 
what you're afraid of. 

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I'm free. 
I could care less what other 

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people say. 
She's that way to this day? 

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Well, I gotta make sure that 
everything is biblical. 

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So, I'm, you know, I'm doing my 
research and my one of my 

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friends came over, he was 
struggling. 

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So I shared something with him. 
I said we'll try this and see if

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this works. 
He comes back about a week, two 

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weeks later. 
He goes, oh my, he's a man that 

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Set Me Free. 
You got anything else, you know?

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And so that little by little, I 
started sharing with people and 

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people were telling me, they 
were finding Freedom, we were 

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teaching at at our church and I 
think the real turning point for

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me came, when a friend of mine, 
who's a pastor Pastor, Willie 

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Estrada, really good friend of 
mine. 

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He is pastoring a church at the 
time called by his Irit 

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fellowship and Willie. 
And I would meet, we would meet 

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on a regular basis for breakfast
and we would, you know, keep in 

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one. 
Another accountable, we would 

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share our frustrations and stuff
and he goes, what are you 

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teaching on? 
I thought I've been doing this 

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series at our church on. 
Renewing the mind he goes. 

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Hey, can you come to my church 
and teach on that? 

448
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,100
I said, sure. 
So I went to his church after 13

449
00:23:48,100 --> 00:23:49,600
weeks. 
I taught on renewing the mind 

450
00:23:50,100 --> 00:23:53,000
and the very first night I 
start, and I'm teaching things 

451
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,000
that a lot of people had never 
heard of before, because I'm 

452
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,800
talking about the mind, the 
emotions Neuroscience, you know,

453
00:23:59,500 --> 00:24:05,100
And I say, I when I was teaching
someone said to me and my focus 

454
00:24:05,100 --> 00:24:09,000
was on how to how to renew the 
mind. 

455
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,900
Not just telling people what to 
do, but telling them how to do 

456
00:24:11,900 --> 00:24:13,900
it. 
Because I, that's one thing, I 

457
00:24:13,900 --> 00:24:16,500
always struggle with our bike, 
you know, we're always hearing 

458
00:24:16,500 --> 00:24:18,900
sermons about what we're 
supposed to do, but we're not 

459
00:24:18,900 --> 00:24:21,400
really told how to do it. 
Like, you gotta forgive, well, 

460
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,400
how do you forgive? 
You know, you get a little, how 

461
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,700
do you love? 
And usually the answer was, what

462
00:24:25,700 --> 00:24:27,300
you trust God. 
Okay. 

463
00:24:27,300 --> 00:24:28,800
So then I'd ask, well, how do 
you trust God? 

464
00:24:28,900 --> 00:24:31,500
God. 
So the these things kick, you 

465
00:24:31,500 --> 00:24:35,200
know, and no one really gave me 
when they when I would hear the 

466
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,100
answers. 
It was not a how-to was more of 

467
00:24:38,100 --> 00:24:40,600
what to I'm going. 
That's not a how to answer. 

468
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,600
So I started focused on how 
specific steps. 

469
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,800
You could take. 
That would create a changing 

470
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,900
your mind and your emotions. 
And what ended up happening was,

471
00:24:49,900 --> 00:24:52,400
I was teaching it one night. 
The first night, I was teaching 

472
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,300
at my friends church, one of the
guys in the service I'll never 

473
00:24:56,300 --> 00:24:58,700
forget him exam discuss, he 
still a friend of mine today and

474
00:24:58,700 --> 00:25:01,400
he's Says, you know, I asked me 
if I was asking for feedback but

475
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,700
at this point I was also a 
professional. 

476
00:25:04,100 --> 00:25:08,800
I do corporate training for 
organizations and so one of the 

477
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,900
things we do is ask for feedback
and I said saying that have any 

478
00:25:10,900 --> 00:25:13,200
questions or anything? 
And someone said, I just got a 

479
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,000
comment and say, yeah, he goes, 
you know, I have to tell you all

480
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,200
my life. 
I've been taught to renew my 

481
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,100
mind as a Christian I've been 
told to renew my mind. 

482
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:25,500
This is the first time. 
Someone has told me how And when

483
00:25:25,500 --> 00:25:31,500
I heard that at that, exact 
moment, I felt this is what I'm 

484
00:25:31,500 --> 00:25:37,000
supposed to do was that moment 
when he said that I was like, it

485
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,600
was like it was like time kind 
of froze for just a moment. 

486
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,500
It's like this is why you're 
here. 

487
00:25:42,500 --> 00:25:44,500
The corner. 
This is why you're and I was it 

488
00:25:44,500 --> 00:25:47,100
was, it was a transforming 
moment for me because I went 

489
00:25:47,100 --> 00:25:50,000
home that night thinking, I have
to teach people how to do this. 

490
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,100
I have to teach more people, how
to renew their minds. 

491
00:25:52,100 --> 00:25:54,500
I've got to teach people how to 
deal with their emotions, so 

492
00:25:54,500 --> 00:25:57,200
that's what my wife, we end up 
starting an organization called 

493
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,000
the center for Christian 
training and development. 

494
00:26:00,900 --> 00:26:04,300
And our goal is to help people 
to understand the Bible better, 

495
00:26:04,500 --> 00:26:08,000
and its historical and cultural 
context and to teach people how 

496
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,700
to renew their minds and manage 
their emotions. 

497
00:26:11,500 --> 00:26:14,200
So that's in a nutshell. 
I said a lot there, but that's 

498
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,500
how we got started. 
That's powerful. 

499
00:26:18,100 --> 00:26:19,900
I'll just take it. 
A journey with you're saying 

500
00:26:19,900 --> 00:26:21,300
stuff. 
I had to mute the mic. 

501
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:28,100
This is something that I find is
not, well, talked about, and 

502
00:26:28,100 --> 00:26:31,200
even if they talk about it, that
step by step process, you're 

503
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,600
referring to, like, how does 
that actually translate? 

504
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,400
Like, when we read scripture, 
perfect? 

505
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,100
Love casts out, fear. 
God says all these times the Old

506
00:26:38,100 --> 00:26:41,100
Testament do not fear. 
Do not be afraid but yet we have

507
00:26:41,300 --> 00:26:43,700
Generation of people. 
Yes. 

508
00:26:43,700 --> 00:26:45,300
Riddle didn't fear. 
Yeah. 

509
00:26:45,300 --> 00:26:48,800
And one of the things I have in 
my notes here just that I wanted

510
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,800
to ask you about because I had 
dr. 

511
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,100
Laura Sanger own, a few 
different times over the last 

512
00:26:53,100 --> 00:26:56,400
like year and a half and I know 
we did an episode on marriage 

513
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,900
and she, I talked about how her 
husband he was taught by his 

514
00:26:59,900 --> 00:27:01,900
parents. 
Like when you get these little 

515
00:27:01,900 --> 00:27:03,900
arguments or, like fights or 
something like that, that he 

516
00:27:03,900 --> 00:27:06,800
would actually like humble 
himself, he will pray. 

517
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,300
And then he would with a soft 
touch at the same time, just say

518
00:27:10,300 --> 00:27:13,500
like generally I'm sorry. 
Yeah, and like there was like 

519
00:27:13,500 --> 00:27:17,000
this way that he taught her to 
connect it more than just like, 

520
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,900
oh, I'm sorry, roll your eyes 
and walk away, because the body 

521
00:27:19,900 --> 00:27:22,200
language was saying, I'm not 
really sorry and a lot of the 

522
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,300
times we messed up from the 
world. 

523
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,700
What is the step by step process
look like to overcome the 

524
00:27:28,700 --> 00:27:32,500
plethora of different 
information that we have to read

525
00:27:32,500 --> 00:27:34,700
from? 
But how does it translate into 

526
00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:39,300
actual process? 
I heard it said by somebody 

527
00:27:39,300 --> 00:27:42,100
else, that if we're in a state 
of Here, right? 

528
00:27:42,100 --> 00:27:45,100
Like I think it's the amygdala 
or they called the reptilian 

529
00:27:45,100 --> 00:27:48,200
portion of the brain is 
responsible for like the fight 

530
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,400
or flight and if we're in. 
Yeah. 

531
00:27:51,500 --> 00:27:54,500
That's that's what's now it's 
kind of big that's being seen as

532
00:27:54,500 --> 00:27:57,500
kind of the old model of the 
brain matter of, oh, this book 

533
00:27:57,500 --> 00:28:01,500
right here, how cold, how 
emotions are made its by dr. 

534
00:28:01,500 --> 00:28:04,800
Lisa Feldman, Barrett Chief 
because he says, yeah that old 

535
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,500
model doesn't work anymore. 
Oh wow. 

536
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,100
Well whoever yeah we do we 
construct the emotions. 

537
00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:15,300
There's there's a there's a 
change going on. 

538
00:28:15,300 --> 00:28:16,900
How we understand how the brain 
works. 

539
00:28:17,700 --> 00:28:19,000
When. 
Yeah, there are parts of the 

540
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,000
brain where we construct, one of
the things she argues that I've 

541
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,400
taught for years. 
She says we construct. 

542
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,400
Our emotions is not so much that
your emotions. 

543
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,300
Get housed in a certain part of 
your brain is that we construct,

544
00:28:30,300 --> 00:28:34,700
our emotions, and this is 
actually what I've taught from 

545
00:28:34,700 --> 00:28:37,100
more of a, not, a 
neuroscientific perspective, but

546
00:28:37,100 --> 00:28:39,500
from a more psychological 
perspective, I would teach 

547
00:28:39,500 --> 00:28:40,600
people. 
I said, well, you construct your

548
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,000
emotions and We talked about how
emotions are constructed. 

549
00:28:44,100 --> 00:28:47,100
And if you understand the 
structure of emotions, once you 

550
00:28:47,108 --> 00:28:49,000
understand the components that 
make up your emotional 

551
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,700
experience, then you can change 
the components and change your 

552
00:28:51,700 --> 00:28:55,100
emotion experience. 
That's D does deep. 

553
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:56,600
Let me say that was the 
question. 

554
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,000
You're going to ask me because I
interrupt, you know, I'm 

555
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,600
learning. 
This is why I have the podcast. 

556
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:08,500
We're capturing the the 
experience I had written down 

557
00:29:08,500 --> 00:29:11,100
that when we are operating in 
fear. 

558
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,100
Over a long period of time. 
It can actually lower our immune

559
00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:16,800
system, make us more 
susceptible, like it can like, 

560
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,600
dampen are just natural healthy 
State. 

561
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,300
Yeah. 
And emotions was that was 

562
00:29:21,300 --> 00:29:22,400
interesting. 
Yeah. 

563
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,500
There is a book written two 
years ago called molecules 

564
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,200
molecules of the Mind by dr. 
Candace, pert, the late dr. 

565
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:29,400
Canus /. 
She's passed on. 

566
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,700
One of the things that she said 
is that emotions are the Nexus 

567
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,800
between Mind and Body. 
In other words, what connects 

568
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:41,200
mind and body is emotion. 
And so one of the reasons we 

569
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,300
decide well what you think and 
can impact your body but not 

570
00:29:44,300 --> 00:29:48,000
without emotion. 
And so when you think of certain

571
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,800
way, you're feeling certain 
emotions, it's going to impact 

572
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,800
your body. 
There is a study done by dr. 

573
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,600
Barbara Fredrickson dr. 
Barbara Frederick. 

574
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:01,100
And she she's a psychologist and
she won an award called the 

575
00:30:01,100 --> 00:30:03,300
Templeton prize for the her 
Broad and built theory of 

576
00:30:03,300 --> 00:30:06,000
emotion. 
And you can make this all up. 

577
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,400
She was the first one who did 
research and actually did the 

578
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,300
study to show that. 
When you are in certain 

579
00:30:12,300 --> 00:30:17,200
emotional states, it will impact
your thinking, it can impact 

580
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,900
your body. 
It can cause you when you're 

581
00:30:18,900 --> 00:30:21,300
when you're in, what we call - I
don't normally use this term to 

582
00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:24,000
when you're in negative 
emotional states, like fear, 

583
00:30:24,300 --> 00:30:27,400
okay? 
It can cause your your awareness

584
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,800
to constrict you don't have 
access to all of your resources.

585
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,100
We do know that speak stress, 
which fear Anger, all those 

586
00:30:35,100 --> 00:30:38,200
things can become under stress. 
It can suppress your immune 

587
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,000
system because when you're in 
those emotional states is 

588
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,100
releasing certain neural 
chemicals into your body. 

589
00:30:43,100 --> 00:30:47,700
Like cortisol cortisol, which if
you got too much of that 

590
00:30:47,700 --> 00:30:51,100
released, it can dampen your 
immune system. 

591
00:30:52,100 --> 00:30:55,400
You see the book behind me? 
Deep book here called, emotional

592
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,500
success is written by another 
Doctor, dr. 

593
00:30:57,500 --> 00:31:03,200
David this Tonneau he talks 
about Doing doing things with 

594
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,000
wait, what they call grit or 
pure willpower Marissa's, doing 

595
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:12,800
them with the writing motion. 
And what he saw that, he cites a

596
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:17,400
study where and it goes to your 
point again, or question where 

597
00:31:17,700 --> 00:31:20,000
they looked at African-American 
children in low-income 

598
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,700
neighborhoods who are working 
hard, educational wise. 

599
00:31:24,100 --> 00:31:26,100
They were studying, they were 
pushing themselves. 

600
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,200
They did well in school, but it 
was causing deteriorate distress

601
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,300
was causing deterioration. 
Of their cells. 

602
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,900
So, what you're saying is, 
right? 

603
00:31:36,300 --> 00:31:38,600
It's been shown that. 
Hey, certain emotional states, 

604
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,900
if you stay in the long term, 
what we call negative emotions 

605
00:31:41,900 --> 00:31:44,400
that are that we normally call 
negative emotions. 

606
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,100
There's a reason I referred in 
the emotions as - we can get 

607
00:31:48,100 --> 00:31:50,500
into that. 
But if you experience them over 

608
00:31:50,500 --> 00:31:57,800
time, consistently, it can start
to impact your, your DNA, it can

609
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,400
start impacting. 
What your how, you know, your 

610
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,000
immune system you can suppress 
your immune system. 

611
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,800
So Us can make you sick, stress 
can literally make you sick 

612
00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:08,900
anger. 
It can impact the heart and 

613
00:32:08,900 --> 00:32:11,100
everything else. 
And they're also saying where 

614
00:32:11,100 --> 00:32:14,300
the reverse is true, gratitude 
can strengthen the immune 

615
00:32:14,300 --> 00:32:18,000
system, you know? 
So when we see things you so 

616
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,100
gratitude Happiness joy, what we
call the positive emotions, 

617
00:32:21,700 --> 00:32:26,800
those can have a nurturing 
effect upon your physical 

618
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,900
well-being as well as your 
mental and will be are. 

619
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,800
All right, so my mind is doing a
lot of really awesome thing. 

620
00:32:33,900 --> 00:32:37,400
Right now listening to you. 
I like this a lot in Japan to 

621
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,100
stop me in any type of, I'll 
just start rolling. 

622
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:44,800
It's like there's no Clarity of 
choice when we're operating in 

623
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,500
fear, right? 
If this a fearful mindset, 

624
00:32:47,500 --> 00:32:51,000
there's no Clarity of choice. 
It's it is restricting like it. 

625
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,000
Like, even as I was listen to 
you say that, I'm like, yeah, if

626
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,500
we're fearful, it's very 
restricting. 

627
00:32:55,500 --> 00:32:58,700
We don't see like, well, hold 
on, let me slow down and think 

628
00:32:58,708 --> 00:33:02,400
this through and oh, well this 
is what's going on here and if 

629
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,600
I'm feeling fearful, maybe I 
need to To re-evaluate and 

630
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,800
actually see what level of 
severity I should move forward, 

631
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:13,900
right? 
But that takes a sound mind and 

632
00:33:13,900 --> 00:33:15,500
I believe that that comes from 
God. 

633
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,900
So it what it takes a sound 
mind, which I do believe is a 

634
00:33:19,908 --> 00:33:22,800
gift of God, and it along with 
that. 

635
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,000
It takes training. 
There's a verse of scripture in 

636
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,300
first Timothy believe. 
His first, Timothy 4:8, were the

637
00:33:30,300 --> 00:33:36,400
Apostle Paul writes to Timothy. 
He says, basically, it's like 

638
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,900
physical exercise profits for a 
little while. 

639
00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:41,500
Yeah. 
But godliness, you know, and 

640
00:33:41,500 --> 00:33:44,800
what he says is exercise, 
yourself rather unto godliness, 

641
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:49,100
the word in Greek, for exercise.
Gugu nods 0 is literally train 

642
00:33:49,100 --> 00:33:53,300
yourself. 
Repeating Gallery like, yes and 

643
00:33:53,300 --> 00:33:56,600
the word for train in Greek, 
refers to the training, the mind

644
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,100
and body. 
Wow. 

645
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,100
So as Believers, I read a book a
long time ago, I believe it was 

646
00:34:03,100 --> 00:34:06,200
by John ortberg, I don't 
remember the name of it but he 

647
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,600
said that he said that that as 
Christians what we need to do. 

648
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,600
And I so love this quote, he 
said so often. 

649
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,300
We try so hard to be better 
Christians. 

650
00:34:16,100 --> 00:34:18,000
He says we don't need to try 
harder. 

651
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:21,900
We need to train better. 
Wow. 

652
00:34:22,300 --> 00:34:25,600
And so, a lot of reasons, one of
the reasons that we struggle so 

653
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:30,100
much is that we do not train our
mind and emotion. 

654
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:34,100
One of the, when I, when I went,
when I was a, my friend that I 

655
00:34:34,107 --> 00:34:36,400
told you about dr. 
Pastor Willie. 

656
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,699
Estrada, I end up becoming an 
assistant pastor at his church 

657
00:34:39,699 --> 00:34:41,900
for about. 
We went there for about seven 

658
00:34:41,900 --> 00:34:45,400
years and while I was there, I 
became an assistant pastor and I

659
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,600
did a message one Sunday called 
how to train your emotions. 

660
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,000
Mmm and and I think it's either 
I have it right here. 

661
00:34:54,100 --> 00:34:57,300
I used to have it sitting on my 
I don't have it. 

662
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,700
It's somewhere on my desk here 
but I have the original tape 

663
00:35:00,700 --> 00:35:02,700
from that it was flying from 
years ago. 

664
00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:06,700
Like my oldest daughter is 29 
almost 30. 

665
00:35:06,700 --> 00:35:09,400
She was I think she was like 9 
when I didn't that message. 

666
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,200
So I still have the original 
Direction. 

667
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,300
How long ago it was it's on 
cassette tape. 

668
00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:20,700
Okay but I did that message on 
how to train and Show them. 

669
00:35:20,700 --> 00:35:23,700
I say your emotions can be 
trained now. 

670
00:35:23,700 --> 00:35:26,300
I was saying this at a time when
most people didn't think that 

671
00:35:26,300 --> 00:35:28,500
way about their emotions and 
they did believe it. 

672
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,800
But I showed from scripture as a
you can, we can train our 

673
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:36,200
emotions and I also was quoting 
the scientific literature. 

674
00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:39,200
And I said, listen, we can train
our emotions. 

675
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:43,500
So a lot of what we are find 
difficult is because we are 

676
00:35:43,500 --> 00:35:45,900
untrained. 
You know, it's like going out 

677
00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:50,900
there and saying, well like my 
wife, once did a Marathon, she 

678
00:35:50,900 --> 00:35:52,900
went. 
And she did a 26-mile marathon 

679
00:35:53,700 --> 00:35:56,900
and she and the way she did when
she ran and walked it ran and 

680
00:35:56,900 --> 00:35:59,900
walked it, but she completed it,
but she had to train for it. 

681
00:36:00,900 --> 00:36:03,700
If she would have went out there
the day of the marathon and said

682
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,700
I'm going to do 26 Mile, she 
wouldn't have made it a mile. 

683
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,200
In order to do the marathon, she
had to train. 

684
00:36:10,300 --> 00:36:15,500
So many of us are, are seeking 
to live good Christian lives and

685
00:36:15,500 --> 00:36:17,400
we don't train for. 
Can I give you one more quote? 

686
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,900
Yeah. 
So there's this sport 

687
00:36:19,900 --> 00:36:24,200
psychologist. 
He used to be, he wasn't Olympic

688
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,300
trainer. 
And psychologists name is Jim 

689
00:36:26,300 --> 00:36:32,800
lore, and he had trained Olympic
Athlete, he became a coach and 

690
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,800
executive coach for business 
Executives. 

691
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,800
Okay? 
And he wrote something in 

692
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,100
Harvard Business Review that I 
read years ago and he said, I 

693
00:36:42,100 --> 00:36:46,500
noticed something he says I'm 
working with these Executives in

694
00:36:46,500 --> 00:36:48,800
their offices. 
He's I noticed there's a 

695
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,500
difference between the 
executives and the Olympic 

696
00:36:51,500 --> 00:36:55,200
athletes. 
He said an Olympic Athlete will 

697
00:36:55,200 --> 00:37:00,700
spin years in practice and 
preparation for just a few 

698
00:37:00,700 --> 00:37:04,900
moments a performance. 
Think about, I've had friends 

699
00:37:04,900 --> 00:37:07,200
who died, two friends, who were 
training for the Olympics? 

700
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:08,100
I know. 
That's true. 

701
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,500
They spend years in practice 
years in preparation for just a 

702
00:37:11,500 --> 00:37:16,000
few few moments a few minutes. 
Wow performance. 

703
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,800
He said but I noticed the 
business Executives spend all 

704
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,800
their time in performance and 
very little to no time in 

705
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,500
practice and preparation. 
And when I heard that, I'm even 

706
00:37:27,500 --> 00:37:30,400
thought of members of the body 
of Christ and I said, we spend 

707
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,300
the majority of our time in 
performance as Believers very 

708
00:37:34,300 --> 00:37:37,500
little time in practice and 
preparation. 

709
00:37:37,700 --> 00:37:41,000
Asian. 
And so this is why I talk about 

710
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,900
training, training, your 
emotions. 

711
00:37:43,300 --> 00:37:45,900
I believe that biblical things 
that we are called to do, like 

712
00:37:45,900 --> 00:37:49,000
the meditate upon God's word, 
that's preparation. 

713
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,500
But then it's like, well, how do
you meditate upon God's word? 

714
00:37:51,500 --> 00:37:54,300
What's involved in meditation? 
What are the different types of 

715
00:37:54,300 --> 00:37:56,100
biblical meditation? 
I'm talking about biblical 

716
00:37:56,100 --> 00:37:59,400
meditation, and these are 
things, I started studying over 

717
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:00,800
the years. 
Start, looking at all the 

718
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,000
different words that are used 
words. 

719
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:07,200
Like, huh, God words like Sasha,
Belle, Fourche out, all of these

720
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,000
different Edwards to do with the
mind and can deal with, they do 

721
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,600
with meditation and they have to
do with the mind and emotions 

722
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,600
and I was never taught these 
things. 

723
00:38:16,100 --> 00:38:19,300
So in our training and our 
teaching, we talk about these 

724
00:38:19,300 --> 00:38:22,000
things a lot in the church I 
Pastor which is now called The 

725
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:26,300
Oasis. 
They hear a lot of emotions 

726
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,400
because every so often I'll just
do a whole series and I'll say 

727
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,300
this one other thing and you can
ask me any other question when 

728
00:38:33,300 --> 00:38:36,600
the pandemic happened, there was
a lot of fear. 

729
00:38:37,300 --> 00:38:41,000
Yeah, lot of anxieties. 
I work as a coach, I have 

730
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:46,000
branded myself as an emotional 
success coach and I got a lot of

731
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,600
calls. 
When the pandemic hit. 

732
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:52,500
My book was filled, my schedule 
was feel because people were in 

733
00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:57,100
such fear such anxiety. 
People of our fellowship though.

734
00:38:57,700 --> 00:38:59,100
We couldn't we couldn't meet 
live. 

735
00:38:59,100 --> 00:39:01,400
We'd actually before the 
pandemic happened, the place 

736
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,600
where we were renting, we'd end 
up not being able to use it 

737
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,600
again. 
So when the pandemic happened, 

738
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,200
it's like well, nobody's meeting
now. 

739
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,900
And so we started meeting online
and one of the things that 

740
00:39:11,900 --> 00:39:14,900
really bless my heart because 
we're encouraging everyone don't

741
00:39:14,900 --> 00:39:19,400
be ruled by fear. 
You know pray seek God. 

742
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,800
Talk with your doctors, make 
wise decisions is what we're 

743
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,900
telling everyone. 
One of the people on our from 

744
00:39:25,900 --> 00:39:28,600
our fellowship Who's online. 
She spoke of she says Pastor 

745
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,300
Mike, they call me Pastor Mike. 
She said I have to tell you 

746
00:39:31,300 --> 00:39:32,700
though and everybody starts 
saying. 

747
00:39:32,700 --> 00:39:35,500
Yeah, this is really true. 
They said all that you've taught

748
00:39:35,500 --> 00:39:38,100
us about dealing with our 
emotion, has prepared us for 

749
00:39:38,100 --> 00:39:42,200
this. 
So that we're not in fear is 

750
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,900
because of what you and Pastor 
Karen would you guys have taught

751
00:39:44,900 --> 00:39:46,900
us? 
We are not in fear. 

752
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,000
That's so blessed me. 
I had no idea. 

753
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,400
They were going to say that. 
So they were saying thank you 

754
00:39:53,500 --> 00:39:55,400
for all that. 
You've taught us about dealing 

755
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,400
with our emotions. 
That blessed me tremendously, 

756
00:39:59,300 --> 00:40:02,700
all of that training leading up 
to those moments of making a 

757
00:40:02,700 --> 00:40:05,300
choice, right? 
Exactly. 

758
00:40:06,100 --> 00:40:09,700
So as you were talking, one of 
the things that I was trying to 

759
00:40:09,700 --> 00:40:11,600
hold on to Because I'm taking 
the journey with you, 

760
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:16,200
Battlefield just like, this is 
so important for me personally, 

761
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,100
and I know it's going to affect 
other people. 

762
00:40:18,700 --> 00:40:23,000
There's, there's a scripture 
where God says, without faith. 

763
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:27,000
We cannot please him and me, we,
we think of the word pleasing. 

764
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,500
Like like, that's, it's 
appealing or satisfying. 

765
00:40:31,700 --> 00:40:36,000
Maybe you see God's emotion is 
heart towards us when we're in 

766
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,300
faith. 
So, like, just like how many 

767
00:40:38,300 --> 00:40:40,100
people read that verse I do 
without faith. 

768
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,900
Is impossible to please God. 
But what you're doing and 

769
00:40:42,900 --> 00:40:46,500
talking about and God has led 
you to in your life is helping 

770
00:40:46,500 --> 00:40:52,800
to deepen the connection. 
And if you understanding because

771
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,300
we would I would just read over 
that in my earlier days. 

772
00:40:56,300 --> 00:40:58,700
I'm like, okay. 
So he's like happy or something.

773
00:40:58,700 --> 00:41:02,200
He's going to smile, but, but 
it's so much more than that. 

774
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,900
And then with the scripture, 
it's always kind of like that in

775
00:41:04,900 --> 00:41:06,600
the Bible, like you just keep 
going in. 

776
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,000
You like, I could spend the rest
of my life doing this and I'm 

777
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:14,500
not going to find an Angela 
right of working this all 

778
00:41:14,500 --> 00:41:18,500
together for four are good for 
his plans. 

779
00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:23,100
It's just It's amazing. 
You just have so much flowing 

780
00:41:23,100 --> 00:41:25,900
out of. 
You just seeing your face and 

781
00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:29,000
hearing you talk of reminds me 
of like that River of water, 

782
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,400
that flows out of us. 
It's like something's boiling up

783
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,000
in you and you're like, okay, 
hold this back. 

784
00:41:34,100 --> 00:41:38,100
Here is another one is another 
difference between Talent OR 

785
00:41:38,100 --> 00:41:41,100
anointing right? 
Yeah well that and that's what I

786
00:41:41,100 --> 00:41:43,100
said. 
If I go to long does interrupt 

787
00:41:43,100 --> 00:41:52,400
me and To share their testimony 
and just share their heart. 

788
00:41:52,700 --> 00:41:55,800
And you know we'll have you down
in the future and try to narrow 

789
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,800
in some some topics that that 
are relevant to what the body of

790
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,500
Christ and just listeners around
the world are dealing with but 

791
00:42:02,500 --> 00:42:06,400
yeah be transformed by the 
renewing of your mind. 

792
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,600
Yeah let's talk about that a 
little bit, okay? 

793
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,700
Because that is something that I
struggle with and that you 

794
00:42:13,700 --> 00:42:17,200
coming from very outside of 
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. 

795
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:22,300
Very secular the way, He grew 
up, I mean I got 15 your were 

796
00:42:22,300 --> 00:42:24,900
talking about. 
Okay, God, I'm gonna not date 

797
00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:27,600
and prepare. 
I got my first tattoo of those 

798
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:32,700
but I'm not happy to say that 
but it's like, you know, there 

799
00:42:32,700 --> 00:42:36,300
was a lot of trauma and there 
was I went to a big school. 

800
00:42:36,300 --> 00:42:39,800
There was a lot of diversity are
things to get caught up and 

801
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,900
wrapped up in. 
So I would say to people I'm 

802
00:42:42,900 --> 00:42:44,900
just doing what I was taught, 
right? 

803
00:42:44,900 --> 00:42:48,200
And then breaking that, I had a 
near-death encounter at like 19 

804
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,300
years old. 
I got jumped by a bunch of guys 

805
00:42:50,300 --> 00:42:52,800
and how to monitor out of body 
experience and that launched me 

806
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,500
into now questioning everything.
Because now I'm around. 

807
00:42:55,700 --> 00:42:59,600
Everything's under interrogation
because nobody is talking about 

808
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,200
what I experience and that was 
kind of my shock into. 

809
00:43:03,700 --> 00:43:06,800
I've got it all wrong, not that 
I had anything right, but it was

810
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:11,200
the reality check of their 
something so much more, and I 

811
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,900
don't know anything about that. 
Well, long story short. 

812
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:18,900
I like 24, I give my heart to 
Christ and it's been a rocky 

813
00:43:18,900 --> 00:43:22,000
ride. 
So I'm happy that you're here to

814
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,700
help me make sense and to make 
thick napkin as well as the 

815
00:43:25,700 --> 00:43:29,400
listeners get into. 
Renewing of the Mind share with 

816
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,200
us like what some of that 
process look like for you an 

817
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,700
advice of how we make that 
reality. 

818
00:43:35,700 --> 00:43:39,300
How do we give the right 
training and effort to get the 

819
00:43:39,300 --> 00:43:42,100
result of peeling from these 
traumas? 

820
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,100
I mean I still do with PTSD. 
How do we renew our mind in 

821
00:43:46,100 --> 00:43:50,400
these areas that affect us 
deeply Yeah. 

822
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,400
Well, so part of it is, like I 
said, it's the know how its 

823
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,400
noise, what is not only knowing 
what to do, but how to do it, 

824
00:43:57,500 --> 00:43:59,300
which the Biblical term for that
is wisdom. 

825
00:43:59,300 --> 00:44:02,000
Wisdom is skilled. 
One of the definitions of wisdom

826
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,800
is skill. 
It is how to, and what I start 

827
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,500
studying all this, the thing 
that I said, was one of the 

828
00:44:07,500 --> 00:44:09,900
things that we have lacked is 
wisdom. 

829
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,800
We've lacked how to do 
something, we've lacked the 

830
00:44:12,808 --> 00:44:18,300
skill, and a lot of it is within
the biblical text, and one of 

831
00:44:18,300 --> 00:44:21,000
the things that I Variants one 
year. 

832
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,100
And then I tell the surgeon 
start to show that God was 

833
00:44:24,100 --> 00:44:26,900
really involved. 
So one year, this is, when I'm 

834
00:44:26,900 --> 00:44:28,900
early on, in my studies of 
trying, to figure out how to 

835
00:44:28,900 --> 00:44:31,900
renew the mind of stuff, I'm 
reading this book called 

836
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:37,200
Christian perspectives, on being
human, And it's a kind of like 

837
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,200
an anthology is not a lot of 
different Scholars. 

838
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,600
And, you know, they had 
neuroscientists and 

839
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,600
psychologists say the Theologian
and they're writing about being 

840
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,600
human. 
They're writing about how, how, 

841
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:51,600
and, well, one guy had a chapter
on there that it wasn't about, 

842
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,300
renewing the mind, but he talked
about that extensively in that 

843
00:44:54,300 --> 00:44:59,600
chapter, and he talked about how
change needs to occur, not just 

844
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,300
intellectually, but also 
emotionally, and we're not just 

845
00:45:03,300 --> 00:45:05,700
intellectually not just below. 
Additionally not just what you 

846
00:45:05,707 --> 00:45:10,600
think, not just what you decide 
but also what you feel and he 

847
00:45:10,607 --> 00:45:15,400
says, without all three, there's
not a true renewing of the mind 

848
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,200
and I had come to that 
conclusion from what I was 10. 

849
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,000
I went no, this is really true 
because when the Bible says be 

850
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,100
transformed by the renewing of 
the Mind, most people take that 

851
00:45:24,100 --> 00:45:28,200
as just intellectually that you 
think new thoughts. 

852
00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:32,200
But if you look up the word mind
in Greek, you can use something 

853
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:33,600
as simple as a Strong's 
Concordance. 

854
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,500
It'll say, The mind and 
intellect will and feeling. 

855
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,900
The mine is composed of all 
three of those, and when I 

856
00:45:41,900 --> 00:45:44,000
remember, when I first learned 
it, our way, now that can't be 

857
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,700
right, he calls. 
I was always told there's not 

858
00:45:47,700 --> 00:45:49,800
much you can do about your 
feelings and emotions and so 

859
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,200
your emotions didn't really 
count. 

860
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,400
They weren't part of the process
of renewing. 

861
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,100
The Mind, here, I'm reading. 
This is actually what the word 

862
00:45:56,100 --> 00:45:59,400
means in Greek. 
So I struggle with that. 

863
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:03,200
But I kept doing research and my
studies in Greek and Hebrew, you

864
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,600
know, learning to look upwards 
and do and do studies in the 

865
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:11,200
original languages. 
It began to bear this out and I 

866
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:12,100
went. 
Whoa. 

867
00:46:12,300 --> 00:46:15,300
So I'm reading this guy's book 
and he says that it takes all 

868
00:46:15,300 --> 00:46:18,900
three for their to truly affect 
a renewing of the mind. 

869
00:46:19,100 --> 00:46:22,400
And then, he says, this is why 
we're told to meditate upon 

870
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,600
scripture because it had the 
idea was because it will affect 

871
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,200
all three. 
And when I read that again I 

872
00:46:29,207 --> 00:46:31,300
believe the Lord spoke to my 
heart and has been borne out. 

873
00:46:31,300 --> 00:46:36,300
Now over the years, I heard the 
Bible is structured in such a 

874
00:46:36,300 --> 00:46:41,600
way as to touch and Transform, 
not only your intellect but also

875
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,700
your emotions. 
And I heard that and I believe 

876
00:46:44,700 --> 00:46:48,200
it was from the Lord and I said 
and I said to the Lord, what do 

877
00:46:48,207 --> 00:46:49,700
you mean? 
The Bible is structured in such 

878
00:46:49,700 --> 00:46:51,400
a way. 
What does that mean? 

879
00:46:51,900 --> 00:46:53,100
But again, it was all I heard 
that. 

880
00:46:53,100 --> 00:46:54,900
I knew that meant I needed to 
start studying. 

881
00:46:54,900 --> 00:46:58,000
So I started studying the 
structure of scripture. 

882
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,600
How are the strip scriptures 
constructed? 

883
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,800
And I began to it took many 
years, little by little I first 

884
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,200
start studying the Psalms which 
are, which are filled with 

885
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:11,500
emotions and I start studying 
other things, long story short, 

886
00:47:11,500 --> 00:47:14,800
I began to find out, I began to 
study at one at one point. 

887
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,600
What's called the rhetorical The
Retreat? 

888
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,600
What we could call it, the 
rhetorical structure of 

889
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:25,200
scripture that scriptures are 
written in such a way as they 

890
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:29,500
are to, they seek to effect a 
change, not only in your 

891
00:47:29,500 --> 00:47:31,200
thinking that also on how you 
feel. 

892
00:47:31,500 --> 00:47:34,400
That the way the Apostle Paul 
role the way that the Apostle 

893
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:38,100
Peter wrote they wrote utilizing
certain structures and styles 

894
00:47:38,100 --> 00:47:42,000
and what's known as devices in 
order to affect certain 

895
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:46,000
responses from the people. 
And when I started to realize 

896
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,300
this, I was like, oh my gosh, 
this is what the Lord spoke to 

897
00:47:48,300 --> 00:47:50,100
me. 
And so one of the things I 

898
00:47:50,100 --> 00:47:54,200
started looking at was well, how
are these things written? 

899
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,500
I started to realize the writers
of scripture are making use of 

900
00:47:57,500 --> 00:48:03,300
emotion to affect change. 
This is what we're normally not 

901
00:48:03,300 --> 00:48:06,300
taught. 
We are taught that emotions. 

902
00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:11,100
We're normally taught emotions 
are, merely the byproduct of 

903
00:48:11,100 --> 00:48:15,300
changing your thinking What I 
began to see in my research, and

904
00:48:15,300 --> 00:48:16,900
I mean, this has been borne out 
in. 

905
00:48:16,900 --> 00:48:21,500
Also the Sciences Neuroscience, 
psychological research is not 

906
00:48:21,500 --> 00:48:26,100
only can thought changing 
motion, but emotion, can change 

907
00:48:26,100 --> 00:48:30,300
thought. 
And so what I so what I began to

908
00:48:30,300 --> 00:48:33,200
see what's that were always 
focusing on just trying to 

909
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:37,700
change it at the cognitive or 20
the at the intellectual level. 

910
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,800
I said, what if we started first
seeking to create change at the 

911
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,600
emotional level, it will 
automatically create a change at

912
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,000
the intellectual level. 
So rather than just always 

913
00:48:49,100 --> 00:48:53,700
thought needs to change emotion,
I start saying emotion can 

914
00:48:53,700 --> 00:48:59,000
change thought Now I was saying 
this and that and and it's not 

915
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,500
any worry to me. 
It was just what my research was

916
00:49:01,500 --> 00:49:05,600
showing. 
But if people like no, you know,

917
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,100
and sometimes I still get people
going. 

918
00:49:07,300 --> 00:49:11,600
No, I do know, there's a whole 
field of therapy called emotion 

919
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,300
focused therapy, where they use 
emotion to change emotion. 

920
00:49:16,500 --> 00:49:20,500
And so one of the reasons it is 
often so difficult and reason 

921
00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:23,900
people struggle is because they 
are trying to deal with 

922
00:49:23,900 --> 00:49:27,800
emotional issues, only from a 
cognitive level. 

923
00:49:28,500 --> 00:49:32,000
And I tell people that I said, 
here's the thing when you're in 

924
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:36,200
when, if there's a battle 
between your intellect and your 

925
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:40,200
emotions, The majority of the 
time, your emotions are going to

926
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,200
win. 
Hmm, they were over power. 

927
00:49:43,300 --> 00:49:45,200
Where did this is? 
Why people struggle with porn 

928
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,500
addiction? 
This is why people struggle with

929
00:49:47,500 --> 00:49:50,800
sometimes, with anger with fear 
member austrane. 

930
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,900
Before I had the fear and I 
would try to be logical about. 

931
00:49:52,900 --> 00:49:55,300
I'm going to apply my faith and 
I fear will come up and be like,

932
00:49:55,300 --> 00:49:59,100
well, that forget that, but it 
was learning how to utilize, 

933
00:49:59,100 --> 00:50:04,000
emotion to change emotion. 
It doesn't, it doesn't take away

934
00:50:04,100 --> 00:50:06,900
the intellectual, the cognitive 
it would stick is still can work

935
00:50:06,900 --> 00:50:09,200
with it. 
But I've had friends sometimes 

936
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:11,600
who had some psychological 
training, they'll go. 

937
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,900
Well Mike know, you always have 
to you always have to have 

938
00:50:14,900 --> 00:50:17,100
thought to change emotion, I go.
No, that's not true. 

939
00:50:17,100 --> 00:50:19,300
First of all, you can eat 
certain foods and it will change

940
00:50:19,300 --> 00:50:22,800
your emotional state. 
Yeah, independent of thought 

941
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:24,700
certain foods will change your 
mood. 

942
00:50:24,700 --> 00:50:26,800
You too much sugar, it will 
change your mood. 

943
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,500
You can think of GE you can eat 
too much sugar, you call it. 

944
00:50:29,500 --> 00:50:32,700
You have a crash and no matter 
how positive you may think, you 

945
00:50:32,700 --> 00:50:35,100
still go feel horrible. 
Because of that of the sugar 

946
00:50:35,100 --> 00:50:37,900
that you've eaten, you can 
change your, you can change your

947
00:50:37,900 --> 00:50:40,600
physiology or your posture, you 
can breathe different and I've 

948
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,100
done this hundreds, if not 
thousands of time. 

949
00:50:43,100 --> 00:50:49,000
Now where I've like I did a 
training at a major car 

950
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,200
manufacturing industry, I won't 
say the name. 

951
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,400
But it was, if I said everybody 
would know it. 

952
00:50:53,900 --> 00:50:56,800
And I was working with the 
executives and we were, and I 

953
00:50:56,808 --> 00:50:59,700
was teaching them, which now the
field is called emotional 

954
00:50:59,700 --> 00:51:01,600
intelligence. 
I was teaching them, emotional 

955
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:05,100
intelligence skills, and one of 
the things I showed them how to 

956
00:51:05,100 --> 00:51:08,700
change their emotional state 
simply by changing their 

957
00:51:08,700 --> 00:51:11,400
physiology changing way. 
They were breathing, change your

958
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,000
way were standing, so I have 
them, think about a problem 

959
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,000
because I think about it, I 
think about problem or 

960
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,200
frustration that you're dealing 
with and I have them self, I had

961
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:24,100
them put themselves, In a 
posture of feeling down or 

962
00:51:24,100 --> 00:51:27,600
depressed or discouraged. 
This is the posture of it. 

963
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:28,900
That's it. 
Breathe the way you breathe. 

964
00:51:28,900 --> 00:51:31,700
When you're discouraged. 
Sit the way you sit when you're 

965
00:51:31,700 --> 00:51:34,300
discouraged or depressed. 
I said, how does your, how will 

966
00:51:34,300 --> 00:51:36,300
your, for, I had them put 
themselves as enough as you 

967
00:51:36,300 --> 00:51:38,100
think about that problem? 
Think about that problem. 

968
00:51:38,100 --> 00:51:41,700
As you put your body in that 
position, I said, how does that 

969
00:51:41,700 --> 00:51:43,500
problem seemed to you and 
everybody's like, oh and 

970
00:51:43,500 --> 00:51:44,800
possible to solve. 
There's no way. 

971
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,700
This is just hopeless. 
I said, okay, I had everybody 

972
00:51:47,700 --> 00:51:49,800
stand up and then Shake 
Yourself. 

973
00:51:50,500 --> 00:51:53,600
I said now I want you to stand 
like you're a superhero that 

974
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:57,100
stand up, lift your chest and 
your arms on the side. 

975
00:51:57,100 --> 00:51:59,600
I said men like you're Superman 
women like you're Wonder Woman. 

976
00:51:59,700 --> 00:52:01,900
I said, look up. 
That's I want you to think about

977
00:52:01,900 --> 00:52:04,200
that problem as you do. 
I want you to laugh. 

978
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,500
A nice, hearty laugh haha and 
they did that. 

979
00:52:07,500 --> 00:52:09,400
I had to do it several times. 
I said now, he think about that 

980
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,000
problem. 
Now I said howhow does that 

981
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,000
problem scene? 
They say, I can handle this, I 

982
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,900
can do with this. 
The only thing that changed was 

983
00:52:17,900 --> 00:52:20,100
their emotion and we changed it 
not by having them think. 

984
00:52:20,300 --> 00:52:22,800
Positive. 
I just had them change their 

985
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,200
physiology. 
I have them change the way 

986
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,700
they're breathing. 
Okay, so our hold on. 

987
00:52:26,700 --> 00:52:28,800
Alright, I got to ask you a 
quick question so I don't lose 

988
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,500
this one. 
Do you think that's why I like 

989
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:37,700
it made me think of yoga because
our right. 

990
00:52:37,700 --> 00:52:40,500
People ask me all the time. 
I was funny just over the last 

991
00:52:40,500 --> 00:52:43,600
couple weeks, I had people reach
out to me, listeners and friends

992
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,800
and family. 
A few of them and asked me what 

993
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,900
my thoughts were on yoga. 
And I'm like, no, I'm like, if 

994
00:52:49,900 --> 00:52:54,000
you Want to stretch stretch 
like, if you want a breather, 

995
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,900
but I said, because there's 
something to it. 

996
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,300
Now, the reason that my brain 
jumped is just because you were 

997
00:53:00,300 --> 00:53:03,900
just like making the point of 
like hey when we posture 

998
00:53:03,900 --> 00:53:08,700
ourselves certain way, it 
affects the emotion. 

999
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:13,100
Like that is so strange to me, 
do you think the enemy tries to 

1000
00:53:13,100 --> 00:53:18,000
use and compartmentalize these 
from what I know of yoga and its

1001
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,600
National format? 
You're posing in your Literally 

1002
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:24,000
opening yourself up to while 
you're clearing yourself and 

1003
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,900
open yourself up to demonic 
entities, which they have a 

1004
00:53:26,900 --> 00:53:30,100
plethora of names for to move 
through you from posture and 

1005
00:53:30,100 --> 00:53:34,500
movements and like that's I 
don't necessarily get something.

1006
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,500
Yeah, I don't think it's 
necessarily so much just by 

1007
00:53:36,500 --> 00:53:40,500
posture and reason I get that 
question to and I answer it is 

1008
00:53:40,500 --> 00:53:43,600
balanced in his honest as I can.
I said, if that's the case, that

1009
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:47,300
is, if it's solely posture that 
you open up, I said, I said 

1010
00:53:47,700 --> 00:53:49,900
because the idea is, well, they 
do that stretch, a yoga, if you 

1011
00:53:49,908 --> 00:53:51,900
do That stretch, you're going to
open yourself up to the enemy. 

1012
00:53:51,900 --> 00:53:53,200
I go. 
Well, that's like saying if they

1013
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,100
yawn you yawn, you're going to 
open up yourself, it doesn't 

1014
00:53:56,100 --> 00:53:58,100
work that way. 
I said, there's also beliefs 

1015
00:53:58,300 --> 00:53:59,400
that you need to take. 
Yes. 

1016
00:53:59,700 --> 00:54:02,300
However and so, there are 
certain things that are taught 

1017
00:54:02,300 --> 00:54:05,400
within the belief system that I 
would go. 

1018
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,400
No, those, don't those do not 
track with what we believe as 

1019
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,700
Christians, and those can open 
you up. 

1020
00:54:10,700 --> 00:54:14,100
Beliefs, can open you up to 
things, some I said, but doing 

1021
00:54:14,100 --> 00:54:17,200
Simple stretches I said, here's 
the thing. 

1022
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,100
I always say, I said you've got 
to keep in mind, the enemy. 

1023
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:24,100
Not a Creator or of anything? 
Yes. 

1024
00:54:24,100 --> 00:54:29,100
A distorter of things and this 
is what because I have people 

1025
00:54:29,100 --> 00:54:31,500
when I first start studying this
day and I was, and I like I 

1026
00:54:31,508 --> 00:54:34,000
said, I had to go outside the 
Christian books that I was 

1027
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,600
reading even by Christian 
therapist because I'll it was 

1028
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,500
limited and I start studying 
other things that people like 

1029
00:54:39,500 --> 00:54:41,400
all know, you know, that you're 
going to again. 

1030
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,200
It was like you're going to open
yourself up to the enemy. 

1031
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,400
So I was scared, you know, 
because I didn't want to, you 

1032
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,100
know, I don't want to myself and
my family up to anything so I 

1033
00:54:49,100 --> 00:54:52,200
was taking my time. 
Doing a lot of research but I 

1034
00:54:52,207 --> 00:54:53,900
think about is what I realize is
this. 

1035
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,400
The enemy would take and twist. 
The enemy would take what God 

1036
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:01,400
create it and twist it. 
And the Lord told me that 

1037
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:06,800
through Romans chapter 1 where 
Paul talks about God revealed 

1038
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,400
himself, one of the ways he has 
revealed himself is through 

1039
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,700
creation. 
Yes. 

1040
00:55:12,900 --> 00:55:15,000
But if you go and you read the 
whole passage. 

1041
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,000
What is the test? 
They do says, when they, when 

1042
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,000
they saw him as God, they did 
not acknowledge Him as God. 

1043
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:26,100
But they begin to worship the 
creation rather than the 

1044
00:55:26,100 --> 00:55:29,800
Creator. 
And they began to worship the 

1045
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,500
Sun, the moon and the stars. 
They begin to take trees and 

1046
00:55:32,500 --> 00:55:35,400
make Idols. 
So they took what God created 

1047
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:39,500
that reflects God's glory, they 
saw the glory of creation 

1048
00:55:39,700 --> 00:55:43,400
thinking, it was the glory of 
other gods and they twist it 

1049
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:47,100
creation from what it was 
intended to be, which was to 

1050
00:55:47,100 --> 00:55:49,200
reflect back to the glory of our
God. 

1051
00:55:49,700 --> 00:55:51,100
So I Look at that. 
I go. 

1052
00:55:51,100 --> 00:55:55,100
How many other things does the 
enemy take and twist. 

1053
00:55:55,100 --> 00:55:58,700
I believe our job. 
We're supposed to be like, yeah,

1054
00:55:58,700 --> 00:56:02,600
we're supposed to be a light 
tiny into the darkness and 

1055
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:08,500
saying, hey, this is the 
original intention for why this 

1056
00:56:08,500 --> 00:56:12,100
exists. 
So, wow, God's created our 

1057
00:56:12,100 --> 00:56:15,000
physical being and our minds to 
work a certain way. 

1058
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,400
Not everybody that I have 
learned from is a Christian 

1059
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,200
because I Christians didn't know
what. 

1060
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,800
I was studying at the Time. 
And so I had to go outside, but 

1061
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:24,700
I was very careful. 
Always stayed biblical. 

1062
00:56:24,700 --> 00:56:26,800
I thought something was 
unbiblical that no can go with 

1063
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:27,600
that. 
It's not biblical. 

1064
00:56:29,100 --> 00:56:31,300
But what I began to see was, 
wait a minute. 

1065
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,400
This is not so much about. 
Oh, is this person a Christian? 

1066
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,300
I said there's two. 
They're discovering things about

1067
00:56:37,300 --> 00:56:39,500
how the human brain and mind 
works. 

1068
00:56:40,300 --> 00:56:43,200
And the way, if it's truly, this
is how it works. 

1069
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,900
It's God, that created that You 
know? 

1070
00:56:46,900 --> 00:56:51,500
So like I remember when I was 
growing up as a young Christian,

1071
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,600
and in my early twenties, one of
the biggest books around at the 

1072
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:58,400
time was called seduction of 
Christianity. 

1073
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:04,500
By Dave Hunt, that book had so 
many Christians scared and one 

1074
00:57:04,500 --> 00:57:06,700
of the things that it had a 
scared about what psychology 

1075
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,500
like nope, stay away from 
psychology not of God. 

1076
00:57:10,900 --> 00:57:12,600
There have been Christian 
ministers. 

1077
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,100
One famous lizard. 
In Southern California, who says

1078
00:57:15,300 --> 00:57:16,800
occur. 
And should not go to 

1079
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:20,400
psychologist. 
Because the word psyche comes 

1080
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,400
from the word suitcase which has
to do with the soul, and God is 

1081
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,800
the one who made the sole, so 
you can't go to secular people, 

1082
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,700
only, you only need the Bible, 
you need Jesus, that type of 

1083
00:57:29,700 --> 00:57:33,000
stuff was keeping me in bondage,
and keeping his kept a lot of 

1084
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:34,800
other people in bondage. 
I know, because I've worked with

1085
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:38,100
them because they had that 
thinking, and while there are 

1086
00:57:38,100 --> 00:57:40,500
things that are said that are 
that are wrong. 

1087
00:57:40,900 --> 00:57:42,200
There are also things said that 
are, right? 

1088
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,400
So that's what I say. 
We need to bring the truth. 

1089
00:57:45,700 --> 00:57:49,200
And the spirit of Truth into 
these things and began looking 

1090
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,900
at it and say, what's Twisted 
that we need to untwist. 

1091
00:57:53,700 --> 00:57:56,700
So when I teach on, renewing the
mind, I talked a lot about 

1092
00:57:56,700 --> 00:57:59,700
renewing the mind but you know, 
the foundation of it is because 

1093
00:57:59,700 --> 00:58:01,800
I took for me, renewing. 
The mind is about bringing your 

1094
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:05,200
mind, your will and your 
emotions into alignment with 

1095
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:09,800
what God has done for you in 
Christ and what God is doing for

1096
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:13,800
you in Christ. 
So that to me, biblically is 

1097
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:15,400
renewing, the mind is getting 
your mind you. 

1098
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,700
Willing your emotions and I 
could we could talk about the 

1099
00:58:17,700 --> 00:58:21,500
scriptures that point to that 
and say that and state that or 

1100
00:58:21,500 --> 00:58:26,400
show that, but it's getting it 
into agreement into harmony into

1101
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,500
alignment with what God is 
working within you. 

1102
00:58:28,700 --> 00:58:33,400
So the Bible tells us in 
Philippians chapter 2, verse 12 

1103
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,300
and 13 work out your own 
salvation with fear and 

1104
00:58:36,300 --> 00:58:40,300
trembling and that's verse 12 
verse 13 says, for it is God who

1105
00:58:40,300 --> 00:58:43,700
works in you both to Will and to
do of his good pleasure. 

1106
00:58:44,900 --> 00:58:52,300
So God works in us both to Will 
and to do, the word will is a 

1107
00:58:52,300 --> 00:58:55,400
term that has to do with emotion
has to do with feeling of 

1108
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,400
desire. 
He works in us, God desires, but

1109
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,800
did, but the first part of the 
verse verse 12 says, we have to 

1110
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:05,500
work out which means we have to 
carry out what God is doing 

1111
00:59:05,500 --> 00:59:08,300
within and that's the renewing 
of the Mind process. 

1112
00:59:08,900 --> 00:59:14,400
So my point is saying that is 
the more we understand how the 

1113
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:16,100
Works. 
The more we understand how the 

1114
00:59:16,100 --> 00:59:21,400
brain works and we can we can 
utilize that in a Godly way to 

1115
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:24,600
bring our minor Wilner emotions 
into alignment with what God is 

1116
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,700
doing with us and cry. 
So when I teach it, that's what 

1117
00:59:26,700 --> 00:59:29,000
I'm saying, I tell people all 
the time I say look God is 

1118
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,100
working in you both to Will and 
to do of his good pleasure. 

1119
00:59:31,500 --> 00:59:33,800
God is doing his part. 
You don't ever have to worry 

1120
00:59:33,808 --> 00:59:37,600
about worry about that. 
You've got to do your part and 

1121
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:39,400
it's goes back again. 
I want to forget your original 

1122
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,700
question is like how that's the 
thing you have to learn? 

1123
00:59:41,700 --> 00:59:44,500
How you've got to learn what I 
call strategies that you need? 

1124
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:48,800
To learn strategies. 
Like like the Bible says, the 

1125
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,100
Bible tells us things like put 
off the old man. 

1126
00:59:52,100 --> 00:59:55,900
Okay, the Bible says, put off 
anger wrath. 

1127
00:59:56,300 --> 01:00:02,400
Put off lust, right? 
How do you put it off, putting 

1128
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,600
Christ on it's like. 
Well, here's the thing is really

1129
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:09,700
interesting in the scriptures. 
We see a consistent pattern of 

1130
01:00:09,700 --> 01:00:12,200
before you put something on. 
You must first, put something 

1131
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:15,000
off. 
That is consistent Ephesians 

1132
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:18,200
chapter 4 says you've put off 
the old man, put on the new man.

1133
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,800
Colossians chapter 3 tells us 
put off the old man. 

1134
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,800
Put on the new man. 
You know, the Bible tells us put

1135
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,900
on the Lord, Jesus Christ to 
make no provision for the flesh,

1136
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:31,800
when he comes when Israel went 
into the promised land to 

1137
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,500
possess the land, and God told 
them, you're going to possess 

1138
01:00:34,500 --> 01:00:36,600
the land. 
If you look up the word for 

1139
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:43,700
possess in Hebrew, it means to 
possess by first In the 

1140
01:00:43,700 --> 01:00:47,800
inhabitants of the land. 
What do you do? 

1141
01:00:48,100 --> 01:00:52,200
There's this, there's this 
constant thing of before you can

1142
01:00:52,500 --> 01:00:57,200
possess something or put it on. 
You need to put it off now and 

1143
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,400
so we teach skills, how do you 
do that? 

1144
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:03,500
How do you put things off and 
and the idea of it? 

1145
01:01:03,500 --> 01:01:07,200
We it's a way of well when you 
say we call it detach skills. 

1146
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,200
How do you detach from any 
emotional state? 

1147
01:01:09,500 --> 01:01:11,700
That's getting me away? 
That stripping, you important, 

1148
01:01:12,100 --> 01:01:14,400
we show people how to do that. 
But we also show them. 

1149
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,500
How do you step into emotional 
states that can support you? 

1150
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:21,100
Because one of the things that I
teach, is that your emotions are

1151
01:01:21,100 --> 01:01:24,100
not meant to be your enemies, 
they are meant to be your allies

1152
01:01:24,100 --> 01:01:27,300
in the service of God. 
God did not give your emotions 

1153
01:01:27,300 --> 01:01:30,200
to you, but to be your your 
enemies, but your allies. 

1154
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:34,100
What we have to learn to do 
which is part of what is taught 

1155
01:01:34,100 --> 01:01:36,600
in emotional intelligence. 
And I teach it also is that 

1156
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:40,000
you've got to learn how to 
respond wisely to your emotions.

1157
01:01:40,300 --> 01:01:42,500
And we've not been taught how to
respond wisely. 

1158
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:44,400
We've been taught to suppress 
them. 

1159
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:45,700
We've been taught to ignore 
them. 

1160
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:48,500
We've been taught to repress 
them or we've been taught to 

1161
01:01:48,500 --> 01:01:51,200
indulge them, none of, which are
good. 

1162
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:54,000
What? 
Most Christians practice is 

1163
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:57,300
emotional constraint. 
We practice emotional 

1164
01:01:57,300 --> 01:02:00,100
constraint, which is not bad, 
but if you left the only 

1165
01:02:00,100 --> 01:02:02,500
strategy, you have it becomes 
tiring, emotional. 

1166
01:02:02,500 --> 01:02:05,700
Constraint is when somebody says
something to you and you think I

1167
01:02:05,700 --> 01:02:07,000
could slap them, but I'm a 
Christian. 

1168
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,600
So I'm not going to do it for 
another two weeks, right? 

1169
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:14,300
But I'm not going to do it. 
I'm not gonna do it. 

1170
01:02:14,300 --> 01:02:18,500
So you don't that's great. 
But if it's the only strategy 

1171
01:02:18,500 --> 01:02:21,400
you have emotional constraint 
which is based upon willpower 

1172
01:02:21,900 --> 01:02:24,100
and there are studies that have 
been done, that will power after

1173
01:02:24,100 --> 01:02:31,000
a while give gives out And so, 
people mostly when I was dealing

1174
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:34,200
with that fear, I was practicing
and trying to practice, 

1175
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,800
emotional constraint. 
And it wasn't working after a 

1176
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,000
while the emotional strength 
gets tiring. 

1177
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:42,300
So, people who struggle with 
addictions like porn addiction, 

1178
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:46,500
they try to strain. 
I've worked in the past with, 

1179
01:02:46,500 --> 01:02:48,900
with some men. 
I had a partner that I was 

1180
01:02:48,900 --> 01:02:50,400
working with. 
We did some work at a church 

1181
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,900
with men who are struggling with
porn, we showed them some things

1182
01:02:52,900 --> 01:02:55,500
that work with them, and one of 
the things like, and I'm not 

1183
01:02:55,500 --> 01:02:57,000
against what I'm getting ready 
to say. 

1184
01:02:57,100 --> 01:03:00,600
But I think it's not enough. 
So often men will be told you 

1185
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,100
need to put blockers on your 
computer. 

1186
01:03:03,500 --> 01:03:07,200
You need to give your passwords 
to your wife or to someone else,

1187
01:03:07,300 --> 01:03:09,800
you need to be accountable. 
And I used to look at that, I 

1188
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,700
would go okay, those are good. 
But what's that? 

1189
01:03:12,700 --> 01:03:16,300
I call it the urge. 
I said once that urge hits you 

1190
01:03:16,300 --> 01:03:19,000
will find your way around every 
single one of those things and 

1191
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,100
every guy, one guy in particular
that I work with. 

1192
01:03:21,100 --> 01:03:24,600
He said, Mike, that's so true. 
He said my wife would put he was

1193
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:26,000
struggling with porn at one 
point. 

1194
01:03:26,100 --> 01:03:29,800
He's a, my wife would put She 
would put blockers on the 

1195
01:03:29,808 --> 01:03:32,300
computer to block me from going 
to different size. 

1196
01:03:32,300 --> 01:03:35,000
Only, she had the password, he 
said, I would find a way around 

1197
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:39,100
it every single time. 
So my point here is to say none,

1198
01:03:39,100 --> 01:03:41,700
don't do those things. 
My point is what we need to 

1199
01:03:41,700 --> 01:03:44,300
teach people. 
To do is how to renew their 

1200
01:03:44,300 --> 01:03:47,500
minds, change their emotions, 
how to detach from that urge 

1201
01:03:47,500 --> 01:03:49,900
when it hits them. 
And, and this is the thing that 

1202
01:03:49,900 --> 01:03:53,200
most people don't realize how 
did how you direct your emotions

1203
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:57,400
towards that, which is Godly 
emotions were part of the A 

1204
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:00,500
walking in the spirit process. 
I teach that people like what I 

1205
01:04:00,500 --> 01:04:02,200
do. 
Yeah, your emotions are involved

1206
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,800
and walking in the spirit It Go.
I was always taught that your 

1207
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:06,900
emotions have nothing to do with
walking this pickle. 

1208
01:04:06,900 --> 01:04:07,800
Yeah, I know. 
That's wrong. 

1209
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:11,700
Your lips. 
Just have everything that can 

1210
01:04:11,700 --> 01:04:13,700
share with you one quick thing 
to show that. 

1211
01:04:13,700 --> 01:04:17,000
Yeah, Romans chapter 8, one of 
my favorite passages. 

1212
01:04:17,100 --> 01:04:21,400
Mmm, the Apostle Paul says, he 
writes in Romans chapter 8 for 

1213
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:25,400
they who are after the flesh. 
Mind the things of the flesh. 

1214
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,700
But they who are after the 
spirit mind, the things of the 

1215
01:04:28,700 --> 01:04:33,600
spirit. 
So, the word mind in Greek, the 

1216
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,200
Greek word, it comes from the 
Greek word for Nao. 

1217
01:04:37,300 --> 01:04:41,200
This word means to direct, if 
you look it up, it means to 

1218
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:46,500
direct to mind, means to direct 
the intellect, the will, and the

1219
01:04:46,500 --> 01:04:49,300
affections or the emotions 
towards something. 

1220
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:55,400
You are aligning with something.
So, to mind the things of the 

1221
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,900
flesh means, you're directing 
your intellect and the way it's 

1222
01:04:58,900 --> 01:05:01,600
written in Greek is What's 
called the active voice in 

1223
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:03,800
Greek, which means the subject 
of the sentence is performing 

1224
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:07,200
the action. 
So when it says for they who are

1225
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,500
after The Flesh, mind the things
of the flesh, the subject of the

1226
01:05:09,500 --> 01:05:12,700
sentence are as days with a who 
are after a foot that means you 

1227
01:05:12,700 --> 01:05:16,400
are directing your intellect, 
your will and your emotions 

1228
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:19,500
towards what is of the flesh, it
gets into a lie. 

1229
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:22,800
I meant with what is of the 
flesh, but the same thing is 

1230
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:27,800
said of what those who are after
the spirit mind the things of 

1231
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:29,700
the spirit. 
So when you're walking in the 

1232
01:05:29,700 --> 01:05:33,300
spiritual because you are 
directing your intellect, your 

1233
01:05:33,300 --> 01:05:37,100
will and your emotions towards 
what is of the spirit and that's

1234
01:05:37,100 --> 01:05:40,400
what God is working in us. 24/7 
to do that, we direct our 

1235
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:41,800
intellect. 
He doesn't do it. 

1236
01:05:41,900 --> 01:05:45,000
I tell people, I say he doesn't 
do it for you, he empowers you 

1237
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:48,100
to do it, he would do it with 
you, but he won't do it for you.

1238
01:05:48,300 --> 01:05:52,000
You've got to direct your in 
Like will and emotions towards 

1239
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,300
what is of the spirit. 
That's how you walk in the 

1240
01:05:54,300 --> 01:06:00,500
spirit. 
Galatians 5:25 says, if we live 

1241
01:06:00,500 --> 01:06:05,900
in the spirit, let us also walk 
in the spirit or walk by the 

1242
01:06:05,900 --> 01:06:09,400
spirit, the word. 
Walk by in Greek is a word that 

1243
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,800
means to walk in alignment with,
or to keep in step with. 

1244
01:06:13,300 --> 01:06:17,200
So people who are walking in the
spirit, are keeping in Step. 

1245
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:19,300
It's like soldiers when they're 
marching in there and step with 

1246
01:06:19,300 --> 01:06:20,500
each. 
Other people. 

1247
01:06:20,500 --> 01:06:24,500
Yeah, there's Santa stepped in 
Harmony when we're walking in 

1248
01:06:24,500 --> 01:06:25,700
the spirit. 
We're In Harmony with the 

1249
01:06:25,700 --> 01:06:27,200
spirit. 
Well, how do we get in harmony 

1250
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:29,200
with the spirit? 
Romans 8 tells us you've got to 

1251
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:32,300
direct your intellect will and 
emotions which is also part of 

1252
01:06:32,308 --> 01:06:35,600
the renewing of the while. 
When you direct your, your 

1253
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:39,100
intellect will, and the emotions
consistently and the waves are 

1254
01:06:39,100 --> 01:06:42,000
written in Greek, is the idea of
you do this consistently, it's 

1255
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,100
not just one time, you do it, 
consistently. 

1256
01:06:44,100 --> 01:06:47,800
Then it says you'll become. 
If you direct your intellect 

1257
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,500
will and emotions consistently 
towards what is Of the flesh, 

1258
01:06:50,900 --> 01:06:56,600
you become carnally minded, the 
word there is, it's the result 

1259
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,600
of minding the things of the 
spirit so you will develop a 

1260
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:05,200
disposition of carnal - but if 
you continually direct your 

1261
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:07,100
intellect will and emotions 
towards the things of the 

1262
01:07:07,100 --> 01:07:11,800
spirit, you will become 
spiritually minded, which means 

1263
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,400
you would develop a disposition 
in your intellect, your will and

1264
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:16,600
your emotions towards the things
of the spirit. 

1265
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:21,000
And what I tell people is you do
not have A carnal set of 

1266
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:23,700
emotions and a spiritual set of 
emotions. 

1267
01:07:23,900 --> 01:07:28,300
You have one set of emotions but
where you direct them, either 

1268
01:07:28,300 --> 01:07:31,500
towards the flesh or towards the
spirit determines, if their 

1269
01:07:31,500 --> 01:07:39,300
carnal or spiritual, Whoo, 
that's a thousand emotions are 

1270
01:07:39,300 --> 01:07:42,100
involved in. 
Walk in the spirit, your whole 

1271
01:07:42,100 --> 01:07:44,800
being, I should say, is involved
in Walking, in the spirit, we've

1272
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:47,700
compared to compartmentalize it 
and said, well, now your 

1273
01:07:47,700 --> 01:07:49,900
emotions are not involved. 
No, the Bible says, present your

1274
01:07:49,900 --> 01:07:52,700
whole body. 
That the biblical view of man is

1275
01:07:52,700 --> 01:07:55,100
that we are a dynamic whole 
we're not set well, I know 

1276
01:07:55,100 --> 01:07:57,700
people talk about Spirit soul 
and body, but if you look at the

1277
01:07:57,700 --> 01:07:59,300
way Paul said that, he said I 
prayed. 

1278
01:07:59,300 --> 01:08:02,900
God sanctify, your whole Spirit 
soul and body. 

1279
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:08,600
We're Dynamic unity. 
And so, your whole being is 

1280
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:10,000
involved in Walking in the 
spirit. 

1281
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:15,300
Not just one aspect of you. 
So that I asked you about, like,

1282
01:08:15,300 --> 01:08:17,899
you know, fear and does that 
lead, to lowering the immune 

1283
01:08:17,899 --> 01:08:19,600
system. 
And we kind of, we kind of broke

1284
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:22,300
that down and helped me to 
understand what that would look 

1285
01:08:22,300 --> 01:08:25,200
like over time. 
Now, if we're walking in 

1286
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:29,100
obedience to God, it's the 
reverse of that. 

1287
01:08:29,100 --> 01:08:32,399
It reminds me the scripture 
where it says, like, God will 

1288
01:08:32,399 --> 01:08:34,700
allow, I think it is. 
Like the iniquity or something, 

1289
01:08:34,700 --> 01:08:38,200
I got up to the second or third 
generation that's that's 

1290
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:42,100
peculiar to me. 
One of the other things would be

1291
01:08:44,700 --> 01:08:49,800
Oh jeez. 
I just have It's interesting how

1292
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:51,700
Jesus would say according to 
your faith. 

1293
01:08:52,100 --> 01:08:55,000
Hmm. 
And it reminds me of Proverbs. 

1294
01:08:55,000 --> 01:09:01,800
So, man, thinketh he is so, do 
you think that it's sis we are 

1295
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:05,800
as people systematically 
desensitized to these things, so

1296
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:09,500
that our will our mind and 
emotion cannot be in sync. 

1297
01:09:09,500 --> 01:09:13,000
You think the enemy kind of has 
a long range shot where he set 

1298
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:14,700
because he's not a creator of 
anything. 

1299
01:09:14,700 --> 01:09:17,600
Like I agree with you, he just 
will parallel something, 

1300
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:21,200
distorted, Right up or rearrange
things a little bit. 

1301
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:24,399
He's not actually unrolling 
anything new. 

1302
01:09:24,500 --> 01:09:28,200
He's availing portions of what 
he has, I guess. 

1303
01:09:28,700 --> 01:09:31,800
According to the word, the right
to be able to do for those who 

1304
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:35,600
are in Disobedience, right? 
Like it reminds me the verse 

1305
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:38,500
also this says that they would 
believe the law God will send 

1306
01:09:38,500 --> 01:09:43,100
them strong delusion because 
they reject Even if they didn't 

1307
01:09:43,100 --> 01:09:48,399
hear the word creation itself, 
speaks of his glory, his power, 

1308
01:09:48,399 --> 01:09:51,100
right? 
Who he is, I was like in a 

1309
01:09:51,100 --> 01:09:52,899
nutshell. 
I'm looking and going, I'm 

1310
01:09:52,899 --> 01:09:57,300
learning so much going to be a 
part 2. 

1311
01:09:57,700 --> 01:10:01,000
If you're gracious enough to 
give us more time down to be 

1312
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:05,900
digesting this for a minute, but
it just, it makes me think from 

1313
01:10:05,900 --> 01:10:08,300
all these other things I've 
heard on the show and just my 

1314
01:10:08,300 --> 01:10:11,000
own kind of like experiences, 
right? 

1315
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,600
Enemy. 
I think is systematically 

1316
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:18,800
desensitizing people so that we 
are out of what we're not firing

1317
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:22,000
on all cylinders. 
Our emotions are out of whack 

1318
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,300
and like you said you were doing
with when you're younger you're 

1319
01:10:24,300 --> 01:10:26,500
going to said, oh I'm trying to 
read them trying to meditate on 

1320
01:10:26,500 --> 01:10:29,400
the word of God and then 
somebody's like yells at you, 

1321
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:32,000
your boss or your wife or 
somebody cuts you off in the car

1322
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:34,500
and all of a sudden you flipped 
a switch or a whole different 

1323
01:10:34,500 --> 01:10:35,700
person. 
Right. 

1324
01:10:36,300 --> 01:10:40,200
That is so true and you started 
out at towards the beginning of 

1325
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:41,900
this episode talking about 
ministers. 

1326
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:45,100
People on the outside. 
They put this appearance on like

1327
01:10:45,100 --> 01:10:50,100
right, everything's good. 
And on the man and I'm coaching 

1328
01:10:50,100 --> 01:10:53,600
people but then the realness is 
broken. 

1329
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:55,900
This behind closed doors, right?
That's right. 

1330
01:10:55,907 --> 01:10:58,300
That's why I love. 
I love the podcast because it's 

1331
01:10:58,300 --> 01:11:01,200
challenged me to walk into a 
space where I'm capturing a 

1332
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:05,000
journey of learning this and 
wrestling with these things in 

1333
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:08,300
helps also that I'm finding 
other people like me. 

1334
01:11:08,300 --> 01:11:11,500
And that season. 
For this year, I'm starting to 

1335
01:11:11,500 --> 01:11:15,900
find a Of people that are like 
me and they're like, why is 

1336
01:11:15,900 --> 01:11:20,500
there this like sacred secular 
divide where it's like, we don't

1337
01:11:20,500 --> 01:11:25,200
talk about it and if you do 
know, we don't talk about it. 

1338
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:28,200
It's like, you're an oddball, 
you're a black sheep, you stick 

1339
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:32,300
it out, you're going to be a 
Target and yes, a lot of times 

1340
01:11:32,300 --> 01:11:35,700
the targeting is just an 
increase of the the pain that's 

1341
01:11:35,700 --> 01:11:39,200
already there, so people that 
hide they've recluse all right. 

1342
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:41,900
So you're breaking some walls 
down for you right now. 

1343
01:11:46,500 --> 01:11:48,700
If I can speak to something he 
says, like, why do we not talk 

1344
01:11:48,700 --> 01:11:50,800
about this in a church? 
Or why are we encourage you? 

1345
01:11:50,808 --> 01:11:52,500
Not to? 
I think part of the reason is up

1346
01:11:52,500 --> 01:11:56,000
until recently, we have had what
I considered to be a bad 

1347
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:57,900
theology in the church about 
emotions. 

1348
01:11:57,900 --> 01:12:00,300
We've had a bad Theology of 
emotions and what I've one of 

1349
01:12:00,300 --> 01:12:04,400
the things you said a phrase 
that I coined a few years ago 

1350
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:07,100
was bad theology makes for bad 
psychology. 

1351
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:11,200
If you got a bad theology, can 
impact you mentally and 

1352
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:13,200
emotionally. 
And it really can't because I've

1353
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:15,900
been I've been a victim of that 
in the past of, I had a 

1354
01:12:15,907 --> 01:12:20,100
theology, let the bad psychology
meaning an impact me negatively,

1355
01:12:20,100 --> 01:12:22,900
mentally, and emotionally in the
church. 

1356
01:12:22,900 --> 01:12:26,800
And I think this came from some 
of the early church fathers who 

1357
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:28,300
were steeped in, Greek 
philosophy. 

1358
01:12:28,500 --> 01:12:31,300
We're in Greek philosophy. 
A lot of times emotions were 

1359
01:12:31,300 --> 01:12:35,500
seen as evil. 
They're not to be trusted, and 

1360
01:12:35,500 --> 01:12:39,700
that came down through and, and 
a lot of the early church, 

1361
01:12:39,700 --> 01:12:41,800
fathers, all people know this 
this not to put down to two. 

1362
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:43,800
Probably just fat. 
They were steeped in. 

1363
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:46,200
Greek philosophy before becoming
Christians. 

1364
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:50,100
And so we can see evidence of 
that in the scripture. 

1365
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:54,100
So there were a lot of things 
that they brought over and we 

1366
01:12:54,100 --> 01:12:57,000
and a lot of it was rooted in 
platonic thinking separation of 

1367
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,700
Mind and Body And the emotions 
were bad and evil. 

1368
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:03,100
Intellect reason is what was 
important was good. 

1369
01:13:03,500 --> 01:13:06,000
But really, when you look at the
teachings of the scripture and 

1370
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:10,400
especially tall, Paul says, 
listen, everything was tainted 

1371
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:16,200
by sin including the intellect. 
Okay, including the intellect 

1372
01:13:16,300 --> 01:13:21,100
and Romans Either one, it talks 
about how we gave ourselves. 

1373
01:13:21,100 --> 01:13:23,800
We were given over to perverse 
desires. 

1374
01:13:23,900 --> 01:13:27,900
Our minds were darkened, but 
then, when you look later on in 

1375
01:13:27,900 --> 01:13:31,700
that same Book of Romans, you 
know, when Paul talks about all 

1376
01:13:31,700 --> 01:13:34,600
the things we did that were 
wrong and Romans chapter 6. 

1377
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:39,300
He says, as you, once you did 
your members as instruments and 

1378
01:13:39,300 --> 01:13:42,600
your members, refers to all of 
the faculties of your being, as 

1379
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:46,500
you once yielded, your members 
as instruments of 

1380
01:13:46,500 --> 01:13:49,100
unrighteousness. 
This unto sin. 

1381
01:13:49,500 --> 01:13:55,200
Now yield those, same faculties 
as instruments of righteousness.

1382
01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:59,200
Mmm, to God. 
So we want yielded, our members 

1383
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:02,000
as instruments of 
unrighteousness to sin. 

1384
01:14:02,100 --> 01:14:05,400
Now, we're to take those same 
members cause of we have, we 

1385
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:07,600
have been, we have died with 
Christ, we've been raised with 

1386
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:09,500
him. 
So now we're to yield our 

1387
01:14:09,500 --> 01:14:12,700
members as instruments of 
righteousness unto God and your 

1388
01:14:12,700 --> 01:14:16,200
members means your body, your 
imagination, your motive 

1389
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:19,300
faculties. 
We aspect of your being is to be

1390
01:14:19,300 --> 01:14:23,200
yielded unto God, as it was once
used by the enemy and used by 

1391
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:27,400
sin and used by flesh to express
that, which was not of God. 

1392
01:14:27,500 --> 01:14:31,300
Now it is to be used to express 
that, which is of god. 

1393
01:14:31,300 --> 01:14:34,200
So, your intimate, your 
intellect, your imagination. 

1394
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,700
Your emotions are to be shaped 
by the truth of God. 

1395
01:14:36,700 --> 01:14:39,800
I believe that went. 
What Jesus said is true. 

1396
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:43,200
You shall know the truth and the
truth shall make you free. 

1397
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:46,500
When we understand what it means
to know the truth, in the full, 

1398
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:49,600
Is the word to know. 
The idea is that the truth 

1399
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:52,900
should shape, not only what you 
think, but it's just shape how 

1400
01:14:52,900 --> 01:14:55,900
you feel your passion, your 
desire, your will. 

1401
01:14:56,100 --> 01:14:59,400
So I tell people, I said, your 
emotional life needs to be based

1402
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:03,900
upon the truth so that the your 
emotions can also be set free in

1403
01:15:03,900 --> 01:15:06,000
Christ. 
So I know where they can expect 

1404
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:08,100
can be what God meant for them 
to be. 

1405
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:11,100
Now that doesn't simply mean 
memorizing, the truth, that's 

1406
01:15:11,100 --> 01:15:15,000
part of it but it's not all 
intellect, right memorizing. 

1407
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:18,600
Like the intellect part people. 
I tend to think that information

1408
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:21,700
leads to transformation, it 
doesn't you can have all this 

1409
01:15:21,700 --> 01:15:24,200
is, you know, when I was at, 
when I was struggling with this,

1410
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:29,000
I knew I knew the but my 
nickname when I was younger was 

1411
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,200
the human concordance. 
Could you can ask me about 

1412
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:33,600
scripture and I could tell you 
that's what they were my family.

1413
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:35,000
We call me the human 
concordance. 

1414
01:15:35,100 --> 01:15:37,700
They said f ask him a special 
ask me where the scriptures I 

1415
01:15:37,708 --> 01:15:41,500
hear tell you but information 
did not lead to my 

1416
01:15:41,500 --> 01:15:46,600
transformation transformation so
you can gather a lot of 

1417
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:48,900
information. 
With your intellect. 

1418
01:15:48,900 --> 01:15:51,600
This is why a lot of people will
know a lot of scriptures and 

1419
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:53,600
they're struggling. 
What you have to do is 

1420
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:56,500
inculcate, that information has 
to become a part of you. 

1421
01:15:56,600 --> 01:16:00,800
Wear it shapes, your thinking, 
your emotions and your will that

1422
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:03,500
I believe the author dollars 
reading was, his name was Robert

1423
01:16:03,500 --> 01:16:04,700
Saucy. 
I have to go back and check that

1424
01:16:04,700 --> 01:16:08,000
but he said that is a true 
renewing of the mind and I tell 

1425
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,400
him I said look if you're 
thinking differently but there's

1426
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:12,300
not a shift in your emotional 
state. 

1427
01:16:12,900 --> 01:16:14,500
Hmm. 
You haven't renewed your mind 

1428
01:16:14,500 --> 01:16:17,800
yet you've gathered information.
That's Good. 

1429
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,900
But it needs to move over to 
where it is, now shifting, and 

1430
01:16:20,900 --> 01:16:24,100
that takes again, strategies to 
be able to do that. 

1431
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:27,400
And you have to know specific 
and it's not like or these 

1432
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:29,700
secret things know, they're not 
secret their things actually 

1433
01:16:29,700 --> 01:16:31,600
within the biblical text that we
could. 

1434
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:33,500
I was I was reading a book last 
night. 

1435
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:35,200
Matter of fact, I have a right 
here. 

1436
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:39,400
It's called my beloved brothers 
and sisters, and scholarly book.

1437
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:42,900
And it's called Christian, 
Sibley shipping and Paul. 

1438
01:16:43,100 --> 01:16:44,400
The writer. 
One of the things he writes 

1439
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:47,100
about is Paul's letter to 
Philemon. 

1440
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:53,300
When and how Paul was utilizing 
emotive terms, emotional terms 

1441
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:58,100
in order to affect Philemon 
stinking so he would make 

1442
01:16:58,100 --> 01:17:04,000
certain decisions. 
So my point here is this in 

1443
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:05,800
this, and we could talk about 
this another time, but it might 

1444
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:08,900
be, is that the writers of 
scripture understood rhetorical 

1445
01:17:08,900 --> 01:17:13,600
strategies and devices that were
used to help to encourage people

1446
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:15,500
to shifter? 
Think I'll give you a quick 

1447
01:17:15,500 --> 01:17:18,000
illustration. 
You've probably read, Hebrews 

1448
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:21,600
chapter 11. 
Right, the great faith Hall of 

1449
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:25,300
Fame, right? 
Your by faith Abraham did this 

1450
01:17:25,300 --> 01:17:27,200
by faith. 
Moses did this, you know, the 

1451
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:30,500
purpose of Hebrews chapter 11, 
why it's there? 

1452
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:37,800
Hmm, okay, so no he wasn't, 
Hebrews chapter 11 is an example

1453
01:17:38,100 --> 01:17:41,500
or it, is it illustrates what is
known in the ancient in the 

1454
01:17:41,500 --> 01:17:46,300
ancient world and Antiquity as 
an examples list in the ancient 

1455
01:17:46,300 --> 01:17:52,700
world when you wanted people? 
To to embody a certain virtue, 

1456
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:56,700
you would provide them a list of
people who were respected, well,

1457
01:17:56,700 --> 01:17:58,800
known that they knew that they 
respect it. 

1458
01:17:58,900 --> 01:18:04,900
Who embodied those virtues the 
idea of it was to effect an 

1459
01:18:04,900 --> 01:18:09,000
emotional response to that so 
that they would start to embody 

1460
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:13,100
that virtue also. 
So in Hebrews, so Hebrews 

1461
01:18:13,100 --> 01:18:15,800
chapter 11, now you have to keep
in mind who's the book of 

1462
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:19,200
Hebrews written to is written to
people who are under Fusion to 

1463
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:22,300
turn away from faith, in Christ.
What are they being exhorted to 

1464
01:18:22,300 --> 01:18:24,400
do? 
In Hebrews chapter 11, to remain

1465
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:28,700
faithful, which is the the idea 
of faith in Hebrew, in Hebrew, 

1466
01:18:28,700 --> 01:18:32,500
and in Greek piece. 
This is faithfulness loyalty to 

1467
01:18:32,500 --> 01:18:36,400
remain faithful, not just 
believe, but to remain faithful 

1468
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:40,200
and loyal to Christ. 
How does the author of Hebrews 

1469
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:42,500
seek to do it? 
When we talk about the, how he 

1470
01:18:42,500 --> 01:18:44,900
doesn't just tell them. 
Hey, stay faithful. 

1471
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:48,500
He gives them an example list. 
This was you, this was no. 

1472
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:51,000
Known in the ancient world and 
it was. 

1473
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:54,100
And so it was literally a 
device, a strategy for 

1474
01:18:54,100 --> 01:18:57,500
encouraging faithfulness. 
It's in the biblical text. 

1475
01:18:57,500 --> 01:18:58,900
That's something a white. 
Have we known this? 

1476
01:18:58,907 --> 01:19:02,100
Most of this information is 
locked up as scholarly, journals

1477
01:19:02,100 --> 01:19:07,400
got a chance to read but I 
remember my mentor, dr. 

1478
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:09,300
Bean. 
He's always say, the problem 

1479
01:19:09,300 --> 01:19:11,700
with Scholars is that they tend 
to only write to other Scholars.

1480
01:19:11,700 --> 01:19:17,700
A lot of this information is 
filtered down but in fact dr. 

1481
01:19:17,700 --> 01:19:20,700
Bean had an ization. 
Which my wife and I are in 

1482
01:19:20,700 --> 01:19:22,800
charge of it was called the 
center for the study of biblical

1483
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:24,700
research. 
Its purpose was to make 

1484
01:19:24,700 --> 01:19:28,100
scholarly information and 
disseminated to the person in 

1485
01:19:28,100 --> 01:19:32,900
the pew. 
So I'm selling these demand. 

1486
01:19:32,900 --> 01:19:34,700
I told you, I'm studying, I'm 
going, oh my God. 

1487
01:19:34,700 --> 01:19:37,600
So wait a minute. 
In Hebrews chapter 11 is 

1488
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:40,200
actually a rhetorical strategy 
known as an example list, which 

1489
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:42,700
is supposed to encourage it 
creates encouragement. 

1490
01:19:42,700 --> 01:19:46,400
It creates motivation, that's 
dealing with the emotions. 

1491
01:19:47,700 --> 01:19:50,500
But I had never been in. 
Every book I have ever read. 

1492
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:53,800
I've never been told that, but 
it was a scholar by the name of 

1493
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:55,600
David de Silva. 
One of my favorite Scholars and 

1494
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:57,500
another scholar by the name of 
Blues. 

1495
01:19:57,500 --> 01:20:03,700
Michael caught Crosby who wrote 
about examples list that on 

1496
01:20:03,700 --> 01:20:05,200
that. 
I learned about this David 

1497
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:08,000
dasilva, introduced me to 
Michael Crosby's work, and I 

1498
01:20:08,008 --> 01:20:09,500
wouldn't read Michaels Crosby's 
work. 

1499
01:20:09,500 --> 01:20:13,000
And I went, oh my gosh, there 
are other things there are other

1500
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:15,900
rhetorical where we call 
rhetorical devices or strategies

1501
01:20:15,900 --> 01:20:19,400
in the scriptures. 
That are designed to create a 

1502
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:23,800
shift in the emotions of the 
people who are hearing the text 

1503
01:20:24,100 --> 01:20:25,800
in it. 
Come up with, in the originally 

1504
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:28,500
who heard it? 
I have a say this real quick and

1505
01:20:28,500 --> 01:20:30,000
I'm now I'm saying a lot of 
stuff. 

1506
01:20:30,300 --> 01:20:32,800
The Bible originally was not 
written to be read. 

1507
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:35,000
The Bible was written. 
Originally, the Bible was 

1508
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:39,300
presented as something. 
You hear, the ancient culture 

1509
01:20:39,300 --> 01:20:41,800
was an oral culture and an oral 
culture. 

1510
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:44,300
It was a speaking and listening 
cult or retelling. 

1511
01:20:44,700 --> 01:20:47,400
Yeah, storytelling even the 
Epistles were written. 

1512
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:51,500
In to be read out loud and the 
way the scholars have looked at 

1513
01:20:51,508 --> 01:20:53,700
announced that the way these 
things are structured. 

1514
01:20:53,700 --> 01:20:57,000
In the Greek. 
They are not, we read it. 

1515
01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:59,900
Like we will read Hebrews 
chapter, 11, we go by faith, 

1516
01:20:59,900 --> 01:21:03,800
Abraham by faith, Joshua, only 
by faith, Rahab by faith. 

1517
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:07,400
Noah, that's the way we read it.
Originally would have been read,

1518
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:12,500
like I see a table by faith, 
Noah my faith and it was 

1519
01:21:12,500 --> 01:21:17,300
building to this Crescendo so it
was Stir Up emotions. 

1520
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:20,700
Within the hearers to effect a 
change of thinking. 

1521
01:21:23,100 --> 01:21:38,400
All right, to two things. 
Nothing. 

1522
01:21:53,500 --> 01:21:56,000
The scene from where the Apostle
Paul. 

1523
01:21:56,300 --> 01:21:58,400
I think it's at the Parthenon. 
Mmm. 

1524
01:21:58,500 --> 01:22:00,800
Right. 
And you can see he's going. 

1525
01:22:00,900 --> 01:22:02,700
He's looking at all these 
statues. 

1526
01:22:02,900 --> 01:22:05,800
That the Greeks have to discard 
and that God. 

1527
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:10,600
And then he can just it's like, 
dramatic it's alive, right? 

1528
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:13,900
You can see them, jump up, and 
be like, listen, I'm declaring 

1529
01:22:13,900 --> 01:22:17,100
to you. 
This statue to the unknown. 

1530
01:22:17,100 --> 01:22:21,300
God, I'm making a declaration 
today who he is, right? 

1531
01:22:22,100 --> 01:22:26,400
He was not sitting there like 
Oh, by the way, hey guys, hey 

1532
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:28,600
crowd of people that you can 
see, right? 

1533
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:31,700
Hall was right. 
Harry emotionally and bright? 

1534
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:36,600
Yes, yes he was. 
He was there are things that I 

1535
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:39,300
teach one of the keys to 
emotional intelligence with 

1536
01:22:39,300 --> 01:22:43,600
other people is being able to 
get Rapport create connection 

1537
01:22:43,900 --> 01:22:46,500
with others. 
I teach these in classes in 

1538
01:22:46,500 --> 01:22:49,100
corporations. 
There's a pilot each called 

1539
01:22:49,100 --> 01:22:50,700
leading with the emotional 
intelligence. 

1540
01:22:51,300 --> 01:22:53,000
And one of the things we say, 
is, if you're going to lead 

1541
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:54,500
people, you gotta create 
Rapport, you gotta pee. 

1542
01:22:54,700 --> 01:22:57,700
Great connection with them. 
Hmm and we said that one of the 

1543
01:22:57,700 --> 01:23:00,200
ways you have to do that is you 
have sometimes you have to flex 

1544
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:04,300
or change or be a flexible in 
your own communication style, we

1545
01:23:04,300 --> 01:23:06,000
all have our own style of 
communicating. 

1546
01:23:06,700 --> 01:23:09,100
If you want to connect with 
another person you've got to 

1547
01:23:09,100 --> 01:23:12,000
communicate in their style not 
according to your style. 

1548
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:14,400
Okay? 
That's important. 

1549
01:23:14,500 --> 01:23:17,700
Wow, it's all. 
Did this the Apostle Paul? 

1550
01:23:17,700 --> 01:23:22,300
Did this Paul said to the Jews I
become a Jew to the Greek. 

1551
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:24,600
I become angry. 
I become all things. 

1552
01:23:24,700 --> 01:23:26,400
Things to all to those without 
law. 

1553
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:29,200
I become as one without law yet,
I'm not without law under 

1554
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:34,900
Christ, I become all things to 
all men that I might win some, 

1555
01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:41,200
in the Greco-Roman world, this 
was known as adaptability, its 

1556
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:42,900
thing, it was an actual 
strategy. 

1557
01:23:43,500 --> 01:23:46,900
Yes, employed it. 
And there's a way to look at it.

1558
01:23:46,900 --> 01:23:50,900
Also, from a Jewish perspective,
he employed it in order to reach

1559
01:23:50,900 --> 01:23:53,700
other people. 
So when people go are they 

1560
01:23:53,700 --> 01:23:56,000
things description? 
This is not scriptural, I go, 

1561
01:23:56,100 --> 01:23:57,700
you don't understand the history
and the culture, you don't 

1562
01:23:57,700 --> 01:24:00,300
understand what you're you. 
Don't you're not looking in 

1563
01:24:00,300 --> 01:24:03,400
depth at what's being said in 
the history and culture of the 

1564
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:06,600
day like examples list that was 
part of the culture 

1565
01:24:07,300 --> 01:24:10,000
adaptability, as a speaker. 
That was part of the culture 

1566
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:13,900
speakers would use emotion, they
would speakers would make where 

1567
01:24:13,900 --> 01:24:17,100
was known as appeals that were 
make appeals to three things to 

1568
01:24:17,100 --> 01:24:21,200
logic to character. 
And to emotions is in Greek. 

1569
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:25,700
It is logos, ethos and pathos. 
We teach these things today. 

1570
01:24:26,100 --> 01:24:29,100
Aristotle was the one who 
originally codified all of this.

1571
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:32,200
When you look in the biblical 
text, when you look in the Old 

1572
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:35,600
Testament, when you look in the 
New Testament, you see the 

1573
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:39,300
writers of scripture, making it 
appeals to logic logos 

1574
01:24:39,500 --> 01:24:41,100
character? 
They talk about themselves and 

1575
01:24:41,100 --> 01:24:43,000
their character. 
Why they could be trusted Paul 

1576
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,700
saying things. 
Like, I was, I was asleep. 

1577
01:24:45,700 --> 01:24:48,100
I mean, I was I was I've gone 
without food. 

1578
01:24:48,100 --> 01:24:49,700
I've been beaten three times of 
the Jews. 

1579
01:24:49,700 --> 01:24:51,900
I was, because she's making it, 
you just make it. 

1580
01:24:52,300 --> 01:24:54,800
Yeah, he's making an appeal to 
his Character. 

1581
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:58,000
Yes, that's what we call that an
Ethel's appeal. 

1582
01:24:58,900 --> 01:25:03,200
When he says he said. 
And then when he talks to you 

1583
01:25:03,208 --> 01:25:05,500
like the Galatians and he goes, 
oh you foolish Galatians. 

1584
01:25:05,900 --> 01:25:09,000
Most Scholars say, I believe is 
Galatians chapter 4. 

1585
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:11,700
They say glitch instructor for 
is one of the most emotional 

1586
01:25:11,700 --> 01:25:17,500
passages within the scripture. 
Paul is very emotional in but 

1587
01:25:17,500 --> 01:25:22,000
he's emotional on purpose in 
order to effect a change. 

1588
01:25:22,500 --> 01:25:26,100
So, my point is saying is that 
There are actually strategies 

1589
01:25:26,100 --> 01:25:30,100
within the biblical text. 
I can tell you one in from the 

1590
01:25:30,108 --> 01:25:32,400
book of Deuteronomy. 
Hmm. 

1591
01:25:32,700 --> 01:25:35,300
So in Deuteronomy chapter and if
I'm going to allow you to sell 

1592
01:25:35,300 --> 01:25:38,500
me stuff because I know I'm 
going on, I'm plugged in for a 

1593
01:25:38,508 --> 01:25:41,600
little bit, okay, he's not 
crazy. 

1594
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:47,600
So in Deuteronomy chapter 7, God
tells Israel that they're going 

1595
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:49,700
to face Nations that are greater
than them. 

1596
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:53,300
And that are that are stronger 
than that, they just bigger and 

1597
01:25:53,300 --> 01:25:57,300
he says to them I don't want you
to be afraid when You Face these

1598
01:25:57,300 --> 01:26:00,600
nations because remember Israel 
wandered around for 40 years in 

1599
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:04,100
the wilderness because when God 
brought them to the land, he 

1600
01:26:04,100 --> 01:26:07,600
sent the Spies, spies came back 
and said we can't do it. 

1601
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:10,300
There's Giants in the land and 
people said, well, let's make a 

1602
01:26:10,300 --> 01:26:12,400
captain and go back into Egypt 
and they end up forty years in 

1603
01:26:12,407 --> 01:26:14,800
the wilderness. 
So God, as their, you know, 

1604
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:18,100
Moses is saying his Farewell. 
He tells the people, when you 

1605
01:26:18,100 --> 01:26:22,900
come to this land and you see 
Nations bigger than you, he says

1606
01:26:22,900 --> 01:26:26,600
to them do not Not be afraid. 
Now. 

1607
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:31,500
He doesn't just leave it there. 
He actually tells them how not 

1608
01:26:31,500 --> 01:26:36,300
to be afraid in the next verse. 
Now, I only knew this when I 

1609
01:26:36,300 --> 01:26:39,200
start studying these things from
a psychological and 

1610
01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:41,300
neuroscientist I went, oh my 
gosh. 

1611
01:26:41,300 --> 01:26:44,200
And then I actually started to 
study, didn't said, Yep, this is

1612
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:46,800
what this word is referring to. 
He next says to them, when you 

1613
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:51,700
see the Nations that are bigger 
than you do not be afraid, then 

1614
01:26:51,700 --> 01:26:56,200
he says this, you shall well. 
Remember, what the Lord your God

1615
01:26:56,200 --> 01:27:01,300
did unto pharaoh and to Egypt, 
the Great Signs and miracles and

1616
01:27:01,300 --> 01:27:02,900
wonders. 
That your I saw. 

1617
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:06,600
He said, You shall remember the 
Hebrew word is the car, which 

1618
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:09,000
means to bring something back to
mine. 

1619
01:27:09,700 --> 01:27:14,500
Do you choose to, to, basically,
to remember it to relive it, you

1620
01:27:14,500 --> 01:27:18,800
bring, here's the thing, you 
bring something back to mine, in

1621
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:22,100
order to be moved by it. 
What you bring to mind is to 

1622
01:27:22,100 --> 01:27:26,600
shape your behavior. 
So when he says to Israel, you 

1623
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:29,400
are to remember. 
He says, Don't Be Afraid. 

1624
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:32,200
How does he tell them? 
Not to be afraid call to mind 

1625
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:35,500
everything that you saw God do? 
What is that going to create 

1626
01:27:35,500 --> 01:27:40,600
within them confidence in their 
God, what he said, don't be 

1627
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:43,000
afraid. 
He wasn't saying, okay, you're 

1628
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:46,500
going to feel fear but don't act
afraid, you know, people say 

1629
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:49,800
feel the fear and do it. 
Anyway I said, okay, that's 

1630
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:51,700
true. 
You can do that is really hard 

1631
01:27:51,900 --> 01:27:55,200
to feel the fear and do it. 
Anyway I have a a saying I said 

1632
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:57,800
you can feel the fear and do it 
anyway or you can get rid of the

1633
01:27:57,800 --> 01:28:02,300
fear and do it even better. 
So my thing is, you don't you 

1634
01:28:02,300 --> 01:28:07,400
don't have to live in fear and 
God tells Israel call to mind 

1635
01:28:07,700 --> 01:28:12,100
what I have done for you. 
All that you saw remember the 

1636
01:28:12,100 --> 01:28:14,100
plagues. 
Remember the frogs. 

1637
01:28:14,100 --> 01:28:18,000
Remember the darkness? 
Remember the see splitting call 

1638
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:23,800
all of that to mine so that you 
will be shaped by what you saw 

1639
01:28:23,900 --> 01:28:27,600
my Power at work, that'll put 
your confidence in me and you 

1640
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:31,300
won't be afraid. 
That is a strategy that God gave

1641
01:28:31,300 --> 01:28:34,900
yet Faith. 
He gave them a practical way of 

1642
01:28:34,900 --> 01:28:39,100
putting their faith in God 
because faith is the substance 

1643
01:28:39,100 --> 01:28:41,100
of things hoped, for the 
evidence of things. 

1644
01:28:41,100 --> 01:28:44,500
Unseen, it reminds me of David. 
I forget what it says is the Old

1645
01:28:44,500 --> 01:28:48,900
Testament, but he's out with his
men and there's a raid while 

1646
01:28:48,900 --> 01:28:51,900
they're gone and they're women 
or children or Samuel chapter 

1647
01:28:51,900 --> 01:28:53,800
30. 
Yes, there is. 

1648
01:28:54,300 --> 01:28:59,700
And Dave come with men in their 
groomer of his own men, his own 

1649
01:28:59,700 --> 01:29:03,100
dudes talking about, we're going
to Stone him, we're gonna get 

1650
01:29:03,100 --> 01:29:06,500
rid of them and David does 
something very peculiar that 

1651
01:29:06,500 --> 01:29:08,600
most men don't do today. 
Hmm. 

1652
01:29:08,700 --> 01:29:13,200
He goes and gets the ephod and 
he goes and inquires of the Lord

1653
01:29:13,300 --> 01:29:15,700
like music, you've always been 
with me. 

1654
01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:18,000
I've been on the run, I fought 
the bear. 

1655
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:21,400
I fought the lion Goliath. 
Who could forget that, right? 

1656
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:23,100
He's King Saul's. 
Chasing me. 

1657
01:29:23,300 --> 01:29:26,600
He's the But really, I'm the 
anointed and I won't take it 

1658
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:29,100
until you make it evident. 
And I'm still on the run in the 

1659
01:29:29,100 --> 01:29:32,100
wilderness, but you never left. 
So, man. 

1660
01:29:32,100 --> 01:29:36,800
I'm you got more time with this 
because this is important for 

1661
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:40,000
me, and for everyone who's going
to hear, because this is 

1662
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:41,800
critical. 
What can I can? 

1663
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:44,200
I can I go back to that story of
David? 

1664
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:46,500
And first Samuel. 
Yes, yes, yes, you're calling 

1665
01:29:46,500 --> 01:29:48,400
one of my favorite passages. 
I love to teach on. 

1666
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:51,100
First Samuel. 
Chapter 30 verses 1 through 6, 

1667
01:29:51,100 --> 01:29:54,800
which are referring to when the 
hits when the Kites came and 

1668
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:58,600
burned down ziklag. 
Yes and his men they stay. 

1669
01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:01,600
So imagine if they come back, 
everything's burned to the 

1670
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:04,000
ground. 
Their wives are gone, their 

1671
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:07,100
children are gone and it said, 
the men begin to all of them 

1672
01:30:07,100 --> 01:30:11,400
began to weep for grief 
understandable as a normal human

1673
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:15,000
reaction, right. 
Then it says, because of their 

1674
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:18,100
grief, they became angry and 
they began to speak of stoning. 

1675
01:30:18,100 --> 01:30:21,500
David. 
So, now they're starting to 

1676
01:30:21,500 --> 01:30:25,900
blame David for what has 
happened, and it says that David

1677
01:30:25,900 --> 01:30:29,000
was afraid and I always say, 
well, my son, if my men spoke of

1678
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:31,200
spoke of stoning me, I'd be 
afraid to. 

1679
01:30:31,700 --> 01:30:33,300
So they talked about killing 
him. 

1680
01:30:33,900 --> 01:30:36,900
Now, you talk about the ephod, 
but there's one crucial piece 

1681
01:30:36,900 --> 01:30:38,000
that happens. 
Right? 

1682
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:40,800
Before that, it said David was 
afraid. 

1683
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:45,700
But then the next verse says, 
David encouraged himself in the 

1684
01:30:45,700 --> 01:30:50,300
Lord, his God. 
Then he saw, and I always tell 

1685
01:30:50,300 --> 01:30:53,500
people, I said, notice what it 
says it does not say and the 

1686
01:30:53,500 --> 01:30:57,600
Lord came and encourage David. 
It says, David encouraged 

1687
01:30:57,700 --> 01:31:01,800
himself in the Lord his God or 
you can read encourage or 

1688
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:03,400
strengthen. 
But he strengthened himself 

1689
01:31:03,700 --> 01:31:06,900
which which and I use, I teach 
this one of the princes, what we

1690
01:31:06,900 --> 01:31:09,700
teach is that your emotions are 
not determined by what happens 

1691
01:31:09,700 --> 01:31:12,800
outside of you, your emotions 
are determined by what happens 

1692
01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:17,700
within you. 
And so, David encouraged himself

1693
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:21,300
in the midst of a situation 
where his men are speaking of 

1694
01:31:21,300 --> 01:31:25,500
killing him, the village is 
burned down in the midst of all 

1695
01:31:25,500 --> 01:31:29,800
of this David encouraged himself
because there's no one left to 

1696
01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:32,600
encourage him. 
David changed, his emotional 

1697
01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:36,500
state, in the midst of the 
devastation, it enabled him to 

1698
01:31:36,500 --> 01:31:38,900
make the right decision. 
Remember we said before when you

1699
01:31:38,900 --> 01:31:42,000
are in negative, emotional 
states, it can cause you to make

1700
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:46,700
the wrong decisions, right? 
Right, you your creativity gets 

1701
01:31:46,700 --> 01:31:50,200
shut down your resourcefulness. 
Get shut down David's men 

1702
01:31:50,700 --> 01:31:52,400
because of the negative 
emotional state. 

1703
01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:57,000
They were in wanted to kill him.
Hmm, David, it says, 

1704
01:31:57,000 --> 01:32:00,500
strengthened himself in the 
Lord, then he sought the Lord. 

1705
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:04,500
And the Lord said, he said, 
shall I pursue God said pursue, 

1706
01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:07,900
you will recover all if you read
the rest of the story, David 

1707
01:32:07,900 --> 01:32:10,800
pursued, they recovered 
everything plus more. 

1708
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:14,600
Here's the thing to me, that is 
a great example of emotional, 

1709
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:19,100
intelligence and Leadership, but
here's the thing, think about 

1710
01:32:19,100 --> 01:32:25,500
this, wow, if David's men had 
killed him out of the mm 

1711
01:32:25,500 --> 01:32:28,500
negative emotional state that 
they were in, they would have 

1712
01:32:28,500 --> 01:32:32,000
lost everything that they later 
recovered, they never would have

1713
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:34,100
recovered it and they killed 
David. 

1714
01:32:35,500 --> 01:32:39,200
But because David strengthened 
himself changed, his emotional 

1715
01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:42,900
state, sought the Lord that 
enabled them to recover 

1716
01:32:42,900 --> 01:32:44,900
everything. 
So, this is why I believe it is 

1717
01:32:44,900 --> 01:32:49,200
so important for us to know how 
to manage our emotional 

1718
01:32:49,200 --> 01:32:52,300
well-being. 
Because it determines there's a,

1719
01:32:52,300 --> 01:32:56,000
there's a, there's a quote, as I
say, determines our quality of 

1720
01:32:56,008 --> 01:32:59,000
life, there's a quote, from a 
psychologist who passed away 

1721
01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:03,700
last year, his name is mihaly 
csikszentmihalyi, he was a 

1722
01:33:03,708 --> 01:33:06,200
psychologist. 
He Was the originator of the 

1723
01:33:06,200 --> 01:33:10,400
concept of flow like you when 
you when we talk about being in 

1724
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:13,800
the flow you don't athletes are 
in the floor in the zone. 

1725
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:16,400
He studied that he studied it 
scientifically. 

1726
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:20,500
He said in his book flow is 
called the book is called flow, 

1727
01:33:20,500 --> 01:33:22,400
the psychology of optimal 
experience. 

1728
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:27,200
He said, people he's at the 
people who learn to control 

1729
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:31,600
their inner experience, will be 
able to determine the quality of

1730
01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:37,200
their lives. 
That right there in a nutshell, 

1731
01:33:37,500 --> 01:33:40,500
that's the work that I do. 
It's helping people to control 

1732
01:33:40,500 --> 01:33:44,000
their inner experience, so that 
they're able to determine the 

1733
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:48,000
quality of their lives. 
David in that story. 

1734
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:53,100
In first Samuel controlled his 
inner experience and it affected

1735
01:33:53,100 --> 01:33:55,600
the quality of his life because 
they were able. 

1736
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:58,200
He got clear-headed enough to 
seek God. 

1737
01:33:59,300 --> 01:34:04,400
And his leadership LED not only 
to the recovery of everything, 

1738
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:09,300
but they got even more. 
But had his men killed him out 

1739
01:34:09,300 --> 01:34:12,100
of anger, although mr. 
They would have lost it. 

1740
01:34:12,100 --> 01:34:14,000
All in never would have 
recovered anything. 

1741
01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:19,300
So do our enduring, our our our,
our emotions, important to the 

1742
01:34:19,300 --> 01:34:21,500
quality of life that we live. 
Absolutely. 

1743
01:34:21,500 --> 01:34:23,700
Absolutely. 
Now talk about as Christians, 

1744
01:34:23,700 --> 01:34:25,600
there it is. 
Important to that to the quality

1745
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:28,800
of our Christian Life. 
Just just because I'm like, I'm 

1746
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:31,400
skipping to these places in my 
brain was like that's on the 

1747
01:34:31,407 --> 01:34:34,200
back burner because God, I know 
someday you're going to make 

1748
01:34:34,200 --> 01:34:37,800
sense of it, right? 
And we recovered a lot of these 

1749
01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:41,000
things. 
But if there's some personal 

1750
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:44,700
things like when I think of like
the discipline of the Lord, like

1751
01:34:44,700 --> 01:34:50,500
doing the Lord disciplines those
who he loves, I don't know what 

1752
01:34:50,500 --> 01:34:53,800
that is supposed to mean like 
from Biblical standpoint or from

1753
01:34:53,800 --> 01:34:56,900
like just a very understood 
standpoint but I know like 

1754
01:34:57,100 --> 01:35:03,600
Personally, for me, I have 
gotten to a place where I know 

1755
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:06,800
what the word says. 
And this is an old, he's like a 

1756
01:35:06,808 --> 01:35:11,100
couple times where I've had this
connection that, that you're 

1757
01:35:11,100 --> 01:35:13,600
kind of putting words to and 
helping me to understand some of

1758
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:18,200
these pockets of of our life. 
Like him working, innocent Drew 

1759
01:35:18,200 --> 01:35:19,800
us to cost as well to come 
about. 

1760
01:35:20,200 --> 01:35:23,000
It didn't happen overnight and 
it's not happening overnight for

1761
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:30,700
me, it is a process but There's 
times where I'll know I had read

1762
01:35:30,700 --> 01:35:35,100
and knew the scripture said, 
like, don't look at a woman with

1763
01:35:35,100 --> 01:35:37,300
lust in your heart. 
You commit adultery already has 

1764
01:35:37,300 --> 01:35:39,900
like many riding around, like, 
oh, geez, right? 

1765
01:35:40,900 --> 01:35:44,000
That's really bad. 
You know, this is gonna be hard,

1766
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:45,400
right? 
I can't go to the gym this week,

1767
01:35:45,400 --> 01:35:49,300
guys, you know, the routine. 
Cognitively. 

1768
01:35:49,400 --> 01:35:55,800
And in our mind, we know, but 
then aligning our will and our 

1769
01:35:55,800 --> 01:36:00,100
emotion all in sync. 
There's certain things were in 

1770
01:36:00,100 --> 01:36:03,600
my private life. 
I knew like it was like a flash 

1771
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:05,800
in my mind. 
This is what the scripture says 

1772
01:36:06,200 --> 01:36:09,200
and then there was a check of my
will my motive. 

1773
01:36:09,500 --> 01:36:11,700
Mmm? 
And because there's times where 

1774
01:36:11,700 --> 01:36:14,800
I didn't listen, and I 
understood those moments where I

1775
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:17,900
was alone with the God and it 
was just reread. 

1776
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:21,000
Stir in like you didn't you 
weren't obedient in this little 

1777
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:23,900
thing like that happen. 
Bear in the long and and you 

1778
01:36:23,900 --> 01:36:27,700
need to learn that that's not a 
good outcome that I actually 

1779
01:36:27,700 --> 01:36:30,000
would start to like make sense 
to me. 

1780
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:32,800
Become alive to me. 
I was like God, your will not 

1781
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:35,900
mine and I'd say stuff, like, 
every time I get the ball, I 

1782
01:36:35,900 --> 01:36:39,400
wreck this like, I'm not me 
doing it. 

1783
01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:43,900
My way is not working, married, 
seven years and my wife's in the

1784
01:36:43,900 --> 01:36:46,200
other room, probably can hear 
this and his giggling as I'm 

1785
01:36:46,200 --> 01:36:47,800
even talking, because it's so 
true. 

1786
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:50,200
Hmm. 
And then my emotion. 

1787
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:54,200
Do I want to please God. 
Do I want his outcome in my 

1788
01:36:54,200 --> 01:36:56,300
life. 
It's just so weird to hear. 

1789
01:36:56,300 --> 01:37:01,900
You say it from like, like 
reversing the systematic 

1790
01:37:01,900 --> 01:37:05,000
desensitization from the enemy 
in the world and absolutely 

1791
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:12,400
plugging in realistic like terms
and training strategies plans, 

1792
01:37:12,400 --> 01:37:14,100
that you can actually start to 
go. 

1793
01:37:14,100 --> 01:37:18,100
I'm sharpening in this way and 
right for this to be the the 

1794
01:37:18,100 --> 01:37:23,400
outcome because if in my 
experience and I don't know much

1795
01:37:23,400 --> 01:37:28,200
but but When we want to serve 
God, when Christ is like, we're 

1796
01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:30,200
not just like, Oh I'm a 
Christian and I'm doing 

1797
01:37:30,200 --> 01:37:31,400
everything. 
The world's doing when we're 

1798
01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:34,500
really trying to be holy as he 
is, Holy trying to be set apart 

1799
01:37:34,500 --> 01:37:36,200
failing, terribly. 
In my case. 

1800
01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:41,300
The I feel like man you 
shouldn't have said that that 

1801
01:37:41,300 --> 01:37:45,800
hurt that person and it's like 
like it's like my will wants to 

1802
01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:49,100
be flipped into like I don't 
want to ever do that again. 

1803
01:37:49,400 --> 01:37:52,500
And then there's like their 
trauma of if it happens again. 

1804
01:37:52,500 --> 01:37:55,900
And I think the enemy then plays
on the mental note, you didn't 

1805
01:37:55,900 --> 01:37:58,700
get it right last week so we're 
heading right? 

1806
01:37:59,100 --> 01:38:03,200
And this is the battle that me 
as a man sitting here, talking 

1807
01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:06,600
to another man in Christ. 
This is the stuff I deal with. 

1808
01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:10,200
And I'm not alone, right? 
It's been like my hands down and

1809
01:38:10,200 --> 01:38:14,400
honor to hear you. 
Share your heart and your 

1810
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:17,800
research, your experience of 
what God has called you to just 

1811
01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:20,100
one body. 
One, Spirit, many members 

1812
01:38:20,100 --> 01:38:23,600
diversity of roles that we play.
And I think that's something 

1813
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:26,200
else. 
I really like to talk with you 

1814
01:38:26,500 --> 01:38:30,200
about a down the road to because
the old way of doing things 

1815
01:38:30,200 --> 01:38:34,100
doesn't work, it out. 
Your God has showed us that man.

1816
01:38:34,100 --> 01:38:36,500
I got to tell you the word spoke
that to me one time. 

1817
01:38:37,200 --> 01:38:41,700
When Once years ago, when I was 
studying all of this, and I had 

1818
01:38:41,700 --> 01:38:44,500
come to a lot of insight, it was
working for me was working for 

1819
01:38:44,500 --> 01:38:49,300
other people, but I still have a
little bit of Doubt of God, is 

1820
01:38:49,300 --> 01:38:51,700
this, is this, right? 
This is the right path. 

1821
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:55,300
And I was struggling with it and
one night, I went, and I sit on 

1822
01:38:55,300 --> 01:38:58,700
this bench and we're by, where I
used to live, is little gazebo. 

1823
01:38:59,300 --> 01:39:02,000
I said there and the Lord just 
spoke to me. 

1824
01:39:02,100 --> 01:39:07,200
It was a powerful moment, 
powerful, but he spoke to me and

1825
01:39:07,200 --> 01:39:09,900
basically, the message was you 
are on the right track. 

1826
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:14,700
Then I heard this. 
They're going to be people who 

1827
01:39:14,700 --> 01:39:20,600
will come to you like Nicodemus 
in the night pastors many people

1828
01:39:20,700 --> 01:39:24,600
because they're struggling 
because the old answers or will 

1829
01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:28,100
no longer be working. 
He literally spoke that to my 

1830
01:39:28,100 --> 01:39:32,000
heart fast forward, a couple of 
decades later. 

1831
01:39:32,300 --> 01:39:35,700
This is what we see happening. 
People coming and going I read 

1832
01:39:35,700 --> 01:39:40,700
my Bible and pray, I fast, I 
have people pray over me. 

1833
01:39:40,700 --> 01:39:42,100
I had people cast things out of 
me. 

1834
01:39:42,100 --> 01:39:45,600
I'm still Bubbling I thought 
people come to me and say, do I 

1835
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:47,000
have a demon? 
I go? 

1836
01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:49,200
No, you just walking in the 
flesh and you to renew your 

1837
01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:52,400
money and they go. 
And they look relieved, to go, 

1838
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:54,200
really? 
Because they're Believers and 

1839
01:39:54,200 --> 01:39:55,700
they've been told they have a 
demon dog like that. 

1840
01:39:55,700 --> 01:39:58,100
You don't have a demon because 
and the reason they've been told

1841
01:39:58,100 --> 01:40:00,100
as a demon because I said, I've 
tried and I tried and I tried 

1842
01:40:00,100 --> 01:40:03,000
and I tried and I tried and I 
can't overcome it and I go 

1843
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:04,900
because you're trying to 
overcome it either at a 

1844
01:40:04,900 --> 01:40:08,400
behavioral level You're trying 
to overcome it at an 

1845
01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:10,700
intellectual level. 
You haven't dealt with the 

1846
01:40:10,708 --> 01:40:13,200
emotional of and sometimes 
dealing with the emotional level

1847
01:40:13,200 --> 01:40:17,500
means I need to deal with stuff.
I need to do with my stuff from 

1848
01:40:17,500 --> 01:40:19,700
my past. 
I need to get that cleared up. 

1849
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:23,300
I mean I need to deal with 
outdated beliefs. 

1850
01:40:23,300 --> 01:40:26,000
I work with a guy because one of
the things I do is marital 

1851
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:28,800
coaching, we call it. 
We it's coaching that we do a 

1852
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:31,900
couple's awful, things that I've
learned and part of that is 

1853
01:40:31,900 --> 01:40:33,500
teaching them to deal with their
emotions. 

1854
01:40:34,500 --> 01:40:38,000
And I work with a guy, one time 
who wants to reassure, he was 

1855
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:40,900
having some problems. 
He was, he was doing some things

1856
01:40:40,900 --> 01:40:43,800
in his marriage that was called 
in his marriage to fall apart, 

1857
01:40:44,600 --> 01:40:47,400
right? 
So we met he and I we have been 

1858
01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:48,800
working together to that point 
about. 

1859
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:50,600
So you and I need to meet 
one-on-one. 

1860
01:40:51,400 --> 01:40:54,000
I'm gonna find out what it was. 
He had a belief on the inside of

1861
01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:56,900
him. 
That said, there's something 

1862
01:40:56,900 --> 01:40:59,600
wrong with me. 
People always leave me. 

1863
01:41:01,400 --> 01:41:05,300
And he had this belief since he 
was a kid, he had experienced it

1864
01:41:05,300 --> 01:41:08,200
with his parents, hit experience
it with one of his brothers get 

1865
01:41:08,200 --> 01:41:11,000
experience, it with an old 
girlfriend, who left him for 

1866
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:13,700
another family member. 
So he had this belief that there

1867
01:41:13,700 --> 01:41:19,100
was something wrong with him. 
So his idea was before my why? 

1868
01:41:19,100 --> 01:41:21,700
Cuz he would say I don't 
understand why she's with me. 

1869
01:41:22,100 --> 01:41:24,200
She's pretty, she's beautiful. 
Why is she with me? 

1870
01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:27,100
So here's think it was 
eventually she's going to leave 

1871
01:41:27,100 --> 01:41:29,600
me. 
So when his wife are go out with

1872
01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:31,000
her girlfriends, she was a Godly
woman. 

1873
01:41:31,400 --> 01:41:34,200
Hugo where you going to do with 
my girlfriend's? 

1874
01:41:34,200 --> 01:41:35,700
He goes, why are you dressed 
like that? 

1875
01:41:35,900 --> 01:41:38,200
You understand that for me? 
Why are you looking like that? 

1876
01:41:38,300 --> 01:41:40,400
Why are you putting on that 
cologne that perfume? 

1877
01:41:40,700 --> 01:41:42,600
He would so he would but it was 
the fear. 

1878
01:41:43,400 --> 01:41:46,400
He had never recognized his. 
So when we were talking and 

1879
01:41:46,400 --> 01:41:49,300
there's a process of asking 
questions to help to undo 

1880
01:41:49,400 --> 01:41:54,000
Unearthed this stuff, we came to
that he said, oh my gosh, he 

1881
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:59,000
said, because part of the 
process was I said, I said, how 

1882
01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:00,200
are you? 
How do you feel when you're in 

1883
01:42:00,200 --> 01:42:03,200
the he says, I just feel like, I
don't know. 

1884
01:42:03,200 --> 01:42:05,400
I just like I don't understand 
why I said will stay with that. 

1885
01:42:05,400 --> 01:42:08,200
Feeling for a second, I go in 
order to feel this way. 

1886
01:42:09,100 --> 01:42:10,900
What do you have to believe is 
true? 

1887
01:42:12,300 --> 01:42:14,100
He stopped for a moment and he 
went. 

1888
01:42:15,500 --> 01:42:17,900
There's something wrong with me 
and that's why people leave me 

1889
01:42:17,900 --> 01:42:19,100
and he Tears. 
Start coming. 

1890
01:42:19,100 --> 01:42:23,600
He said I never realized that 
before, so we change that 

1891
01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:25,900
belief. 
We re-establish it with the 

1892
01:42:25,900 --> 01:42:30,100
truth of God. 
Part of it was finding his honor

1893
01:42:30,100 --> 01:42:33,000
in God, we established his 
honoring. 

1894
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:35,400
God one session, I'm not 
kidding. 

1895
01:42:35,400 --> 01:42:40,300
You one session, it changed his 
life, his marriage turned around

1896
01:42:40,600 --> 01:42:44,500
his wife, testified to it. 
When they were coming to me for 

1897
01:42:44,500 --> 01:42:46,600
murder coaching, they were sent 
to me by their Pastor, who's a 

1898
01:42:46,608 --> 01:42:51,300
friend of mine and I later 
interviewed them and I said, 

1899
01:42:51,400 --> 01:42:54,900
when you first came to me on a 
scale of 1 to 10, how bad was 

1900
01:42:54,900 --> 01:43:00,900
your marriage, the wife said 20,
I said really she goes, she 

1901
01:43:00,900 --> 01:43:03,500
said, she said, we were on the 
edge and I was getting ready to 

1902
01:43:03,500 --> 01:43:09,600
push him off. 
And I met with them for a year. 

1903
01:43:09,700 --> 01:43:12,100
Mmm work with them. 
Work through a lot of emotion, 

1904
01:43:12,100 --> 01:43:14,200
taught them, how to deal with 
their own emotions. 

1905
01:43:14,600 --> 01:43:17,600
He had that breakthrough, 
totally turned around everything

1906
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:19,400
around. 
Hmm. 

1907
01:43:20,100 --> 01:43:22,700
And I said to them, the very 
first day we met, probably, this

1908
01:43:22,700 --> 01:43:24,700
is from the Lord. 
I said, you guys are going to be

1909
01:43:24,700 --> 01:43:27,000
working with married, okay? 
Married couples. 

1910
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:29,200
And they looked at me, like, I 
had two heads. 

1911
01:43:29,200 --> 01:43:31,000
They're like, we don't even like
each other and you're talking 

1912
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:32,600
about us, you know what she 
said? 

1913
01:43:32,700 --> 01:43:34,800
I don't like him right now. 
I love him, but I don't like 

1914
01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:37,900
him. 
Today, this is like five years 

1915
01:43:37,900 --> 01:43:40,900
later. 
They are the head of the 

1916
01:43:41,200 --> 01:43:42,900
marriage, Ministry at their 
Church. 

1917
01:43:44,900 --> 01:43:47,400
They had a marriage conference. 
They invited me to be their 

1918
01:43:47,400 --> 01:43:51,300
guest speaker, and they're doing
a marriage retreat in Hawaii. 

1919
01:43:51,300 --> 01:43:55,000
I think this year and I told 
him, I said, why wasn't I 

1920
01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:59,800
invited to that one? 
That's the one I really want to 

1921
01:43:59,800 --> 01:44:04,100
go to Wills involved. 
My emotions evolved 

1922
01:44:04,100 --> 01:44:10,500
intellectually, but it was 
always changing the emotional 

1923
01:44:10,500 --> 01:44:14,400
level at the level and finding 
out what was wrong and making 

1924
01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:18,200
that Shit. 
A lot of people are doing things

1925
01:44:18,300 --> 01:44:22,900
Christians that they don't want 
to do, and they're told to stop 

1926
01:44:22,900 --> 01:44:25,700
doing it and they're trying but 
they don't understand that they 

1927
01:44:25,700 --> 01:44:28,400
are living in Romans 7, the good
that I would. 

1928
01:44:28,400 --> 01:44:32,300
I do not the evil that I would 
not, that is what I'm doing, who

1929
01:44:32,300 --> 01:44:34,800
will deliver me? 
And people are telling them what

1930
01:44:34,800 --> 01:44:37,900
Jesus Will, and it's true. 
And I tell people said, listen, 

1931
01:44:38,400 --> 01:44:41,900
the tools are just instruments 
in means by which God can work 

1932
01:44:41,900 --> 01:44:44,500
to affect your renewing of your 
mind. 

1933
01:44:44,600 --> 01:44:47,700
That's a, the he is the source 
of the healing, he is the source

1934
01:44:47,700 --> 01:44:50,300
of the transformation. 
The tools are just means by 

1935
01:44:50,300 --> 01:44:54,000
which he can work, but they are 
told you need to stop doing 

1936
01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:55,000
this. 
You need to stop doing the and 

1937
01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:58,300
they use, the are told it at the
behavioral level or the 

1938
01:44:58,300 --> 01:45:01,500
cognitive intellectual level. 
And I'll say there's one. 

1939
01:45:01,500 --> 01:45:05,400
Last thing I was praying one day
and about this about Temptation 

1940
01:45:06,900 --> 01:45:09,000
after there's two things. 
I like to say, if you don't mind

1941
01:45:09,700 --> 01:45:12,000
one is what I was thinking about
Temptation. 

1942
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:15,100
And I believe the Lord showed me
he says I was studying this one 

1943
01:45:15,100 --> 01:45:16,700
else. 
I think about Jesus Temptation 

1944
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:20,400
and I was meditating on the 
Temptation, I think it's Mark 

1945
01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:22,800
for Luke 4. 
And the worst are show me says, 

1946
01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:29,400
when my people are tempted by 
the enemy, Satan tempts you at 

1947
01:45:29,400 --> 01:45:33,100
the intellectual and the 
emotional of thoughts to the 

1948
01:45:33,100 --> 01:45:36,000
mind which stirs up emotions, 
right? 

1949
01:45:36,600 --> 01:45:39,700
He's about when my people 
respond to the Temptation, they 

1950
01:45:39,700 --> 01:45:44,500
only respond intellectually. 
And they leave the emotions out.

1951
01:45:44,500 --> 01:45:48,300
This is why we struggle because 
our thoughts are going one way 

1952
01:45:49,200 --> 01:45:51,500
our will maybe going. 
I want to do what's right, but 

1953
01:45:51,500 --> 01:45:53,500
our emotions are going the 
opposite direction. 

1954
01:45:53,900 --> 01:45:55,600
And Jesus enunciated a 
principal. 

1955
01:45:55,600 --> 01:45:57,800
He says A house divided against 
itself. 

1956
01:45:58,200 --> 01:46:02,100
Will fall. 
You can't stand people sometimes

1957
01:46:02,100 --> 01:46:04,600
when I teach them as they go. 
Well, aren't you motion aren't 

1958
01:46:04,600 --> 01:46:06,500
emotions unreliable? 
We've always been taught. 

1959
01:46:06,500 --> 01:46:08,700
Emotions are unreliable, you 
can't count on your emotion, I 

1960
01:46:08,708 --> 01:46:10,000
go. 
If that's true. 

1961
01:46:10,200 --> 01:46:12,600
Why is that the number one 
weapon of the enemy against us? 

1962
01:46:12,800 --> 01:46:15,500
I think about it. 
What is James say about 

1963
01:46:15,500 --> 01:46:17,900
Temptation. 
Every man, when he is, tempted 

1964
01:46:18,200 --> 01:46:21,800
is drawn away by his own King, 
James has less but the word 

1965
01:46:21,800 --> 01:46:25,400
actually in Greek is desire. 
He is drawn away by his own 

1966
01:46:25,400 --> 01:46:28,900
desire. 
Every Temptation has a feeling 

1967
01:46:28,900 --> 01:46:32,300
emotional desire involved. 
If you take the feeling emotion 

1968
01:46:32,300 --> 01:46:34,900
and desire out of a Temptation, 
out of it, out of the 

1969
01:46:34,900 --> 01:46:37,000
Temptation, it ceases to be a 
Temptation. 

1970
01:46:37,600 --> 01:46:40,900
Yeah, if you came to me said, 
Mike, want a cigarette would 

1971
01:46:40,900 --> 01:46:43,700
mean nothing to me. 
I don't, I've never If you said 

1972
01:46:43,700 --> 01:46:46,700
Mike, want some crack with mean 
anything to me because I've 

1973
01:46:46,700 --> 01:46:49,100
never done drugs. 
If you came to me, said Mike was

1974
01:46:49,100 --> 01:46:50,800
some dryers French, vanilla ice 
cream. 

1975
01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:56,700
Now, we got a problem. 
Now I'm like, oh, get behind me,

1976
01:46:57,100 --> 01:47:01,000
you know, donut, no, we got a 
problem. 

1977
01:47:01,300 --> 01:47:05,100
Why there is emotion and desire 
into that? 

1978
01:47:05,100 --> 01:47:09,000
There is none link to cigarettes
cocaine, alcohol. 

1979
01:47:09,100 --> 01:47:11,900
You could throw alcohol in front
of me all day long. 

1980
01:47:11,900 --> 01:47:15,500
And I said, one drink, I call 
them said, I don't drink, but if

1981
01:47:15,500 --> 01:47:17,500
you were say, I come on. 
Come on, let's get drunk. 

1982
01:47:17,600 --> 01:47:20,200
It would hold no appeal to me 
whatsoever, but if you hold a 

1983
01:47:20,200 --> 01:47:23,800
box of glazed doughnuts in front
of me, now, I gotta walk in the 

1984
01:47:23,808 --> 01:47:27,600
spirit. 
Got to apply some tool to walk 

1985
01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:29,300
away from that. 
You'd get the point that I'm 

1986
01:47:29,308 --> 01:47:34,300
making emotional much. 
So, save me, utilizes our own 

1987
01:47:34,300 --> 01:47:36,300
emotions against us. 
That's why I told people, I go 

1988
01:47:36,500 --> 01:47:39,500
people go, oh, they're 
unreliable our goal yet. 

1989
01:47:39,500 --> 01:47:42,600
Every time you're tempted, and 
if you're tempted in the same 

1990
01:47:42,600 --> 01:47:46,000
thing over and over, it's funny 
how reliable those emotions are.

1991
01:47:46,500 --> 01:47:50,400
It's a mass training. 
If you train, unreliable 

1992
01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:52,800
emotions are emotions that have 
not been trained. 

1993
01:47:56,200 --> 01:48:01,300
And I'll leave it at that. 
Tell, tell my listeners where 

1994
01:48:01,300 --> 01:48:04,400
they can find you. 
Like, if you have a show, do you

1995
01:48:04,400 --> 01:48:07,600
have a website? 
We actually going to be starting

1996
01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:11,500
a podcast pretty soon called for
the Christian Community. 

1997
01:48:11,500 --> 01:48:14,700
I believe we're going to call it
the flourishing life and we're 

1998
01:48:14,700 --> 01:48:16,300
going to be talking about all of
these things. 

1999
01:48:16,300 --> 01:48:20,000
I did a whole series at our 
church called on, we called it 

2000
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:21,900
success and prosperity of 
Kingdom perspective, when we 

2001
01:48:21,900 --> 01:48:25,300
talk about the concept of 
flourishing and looked at, you 

2002
01:48:25,308 --> 01:48:27,700
know, what does the world say? 
What are some a buret teachings 

2003
01:48:27,700 --> 01:48:29,000
in the body of Christ? 
What is the Bible? 

2004
01:48:29,000 --> 01:48:33,900
A really say, you know, so we're
looking to start soon. 

2005
01:48:34,400 --> 01:48:36,900
I need is actually set a date 
for it, but we're going to be 

2006
01:48:36,900 --> 01:48:40,600
doing a podcast for the 
Christian Community called the 

2007
01:48:40,600 --> 01:48:43,800
flourishing life. 
We do trainings, there's a 

2008
01:48:43,808 --> 01:48:47,300
training, we have called 
Sanctified emotions, which is 

2009
01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:49,400
emotional intelligence for 
Christians. 

2010
01:48:50,400 --> 01:48:54,100
We actually have a coaching 
certification program called New

2011
01:48:54,100 --> 01:48:57,500
Creation coaching where we 
certify people to be coaches to 

2012
01:48:57,500 --> 01:49:00,100
work with Christians and weave. 
Train them in the different 

2013
01:49:00,100 --> 01:49:02,600
tools and stuff that I use that 
we created that we've done two 

2014
01:49:02,600 --> 01:49:04,900
of those so far. 
And there's another train we do 

2015
01:49:04,900 --> 01:49:07,400
call patterns for renewing the 
mind which is another 

2016
01:49:07,400 --> 01:49:11,700
certification people can find me
primary same way you did go on 

2017
01:49:11,700 --> 01:49:16,100
Facebook with me up you know, 
Mike Davis, they can type I 

2018
01:49:16,108 --> 01:49:20,300
think it's www. 
Huh. 

2019
01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:24,300
Mike, I think I'll of us here. 
We cut out. 

2020
01:49:24,300 --> 01:49:26,300
Yeah, we found it for a second. 
Yeah, I can hear you now. 

2021
01:49:26,300 --> 01:49:29,200
Can you hear me? 
Can you hear me now? 

2022
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:31,200
Okay? 
Yes, you're back. 

2023
01:49:31,200 --> 01:49:32,200
You're back. 
Yeah. 

2024
01:49:32,200 --> 01:49:34,100
Sorry about that. 
Yeah, but they can reach me on 

2025
01:49:34,100 --> 01:49:36,100
Facebook. 
There's look up. 

2026
01:49:36,100 --> 01:49:41,800
Mike Davis, we have a YouTube 
channel called kic TV. 

2027
01:49:42,500 --> 01:49:45,200
I think we're freezing up again.
Can you hear me? 

2028
01:49:45,400 --> 01:49:47,000
We froze up. 
One more time can hear me now? 

2029
01:49:47,500 --> 01:49:50,100
Yes, it's gonna happen. 
Didn't it out. 

2030
01:49:50,100 --> 01:49:51,900
Yeah. 
Maybe he's telling us, we need 

2031
01:49:51,900 --> 01:49:55,400
to quit, but we have a YouTube 
channel called kic TV. 

2032
01:49:55,400 --> 01:49:58,100
It's is keeping it in context TV
with my day. 

2033
01:49:58,200 --> 01:49:59,000
Davis. 
Why do a lot of Biblical 

2034
01:49:59,000 --> 01:50:02,500
teaching on different topics and
we look at it within historical 

2035
01:50:02,500 --> 01:50:05,300
cultural context? 
Look at the Greek, the Hebrew 

2036
01:50:05,300 --> 01:50:07,600
ancient near Eastern culture but
we make it interest. 

2037
01:50:07,600 --> 01:50:09,600
You have told you I don't do 
boring, we make it interesting 

2038
01:50:09,600 --> 01:50:15,100
and fun to learn and so we also 
can be starting another YouTube 

2039
01:50:15,100 --> 01:50:17,000
channel and podcast where we're 
talking, we're going to be 

2040
01:50:17,008 --> 01:50:20,800
talking about emotions, renewing
the Mind success from a Biblical

2041
01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:24,000
perspective, which I like to use
the term flourishing. 

2042
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:26,400
Like, because what, I'm a big 
believer in that, is that 

2043
01:50:26,407 --> 01:50:29,100
success is not really something 
that you To pursue is something 

2044
01:50:29,100 --> 01:50:31,600
that you live. 
It's a way of living rather than

2045
01:50:31,600 --> 01:50:33,900
a weight then rather than 
something you pursue. 

2046
01:50:34,700 --> 01:50:36,100
Yeah. 
And has to do with what I call 

2047
01:50:36,100 --> 01:50:39,400
the flourishing life that God 
wants us to flourish but has to 

2048
01:50:39,400 --> 01:50:43,600
do more with how we lived and 
what we then what we acquire you

2049
01:50:43,600 --> 01:50:46,800
know. 
So but yeah they can reach me on

2050
01:50:46,800 --> 01:50:48,600
Facebook as the door they can 
write me. 

2051
01:50:48,600 --> 01:50:52,800
I'll give you my email address, 
it's MLD training. 

2052
01:50:53,300 --> 01:50:57,100
So m is in mykel isn't lying 
these and dog MLD training at 

2053
01:50:57,100 --> 01:50:58,400
msn.com. 
Mom. 

2054
01:51:00,500 --> 01:51:03,900
Yeah, it was an honor that was 
an absolute link you. 

2055
01:51:03,900 --> 01:51:07,800
This is fun. 
Love to have you back for a part

2056
01:51:07,800 --> 01:51:11,700
2 in this spring beginning of 
summer this year. 

2057
01:51:12,400 --> 01:51:15,300
And that's it. 
That's the show everybody. 

2058
01:51:15,300 --> 01:51:20,400
I know this was edifying because
it's edifying for me if you 

2059
01:51:20,400 --> 01:51:24,900
learned something If this causes
you to laugh and just just think

2060
01:51:24,900 --> 01:51:29,600
different about the way that 
you're living and what gods were

2061
01:51:30,400 --> 01:51:36,100
and the tools he's given us. 
Then I want you to share this 

2062
01:51:36,100 --> 01:51:42,100
with a friend, a family member 
share this with your past coming

2063
01:51:42,100 --> 01:51:44,200
to you from Southeastern 
Pennsylvania. 

2064
01:51:44,500 --> 01:52:16,600
God Bless America and goodbye. 
Thank you for letting me indulge

2065
01:52:16,600 --> 01:52:18,400
myself. 
I know I go off. 

2066
01:52:18,400 --> 01:52:21,300
There is absolutely. 
Let me call my wife a real 

2067
01:52:21,308 --> 01:52:23,500
quick. 
I just want to say hi. 

2068
01:52:35,700 --> 01:52:42,100
Oh yes. 
Yeah, it's time to I'm three 

2069
01:52:42,100 --> 01:52:43,900
hours ahead of you, right, 
right. 

2070
01:52:43,900 --> 01:52:45,900
But we've been married seven 
years. 

2071
01:52:46,400 --> 01:52:49,200
Cool. 
My son's. 

2072
01:52:49,400 --> 01:52:54,000
He turns six on Friday. 
So we got a little dude. 

2073
01:52:54,000 --> 01:52:57,200
First first year in kindergarten
this year, it has been rough. 

2074
01:52:58,400 --> 01:53:00,300
But my wife, she's actually been
in the country. 

2075
01:53:00,300 --> 01:53:06,600
For I like to see 12 almost 13 
years, she's actually from the 

2076
01:53:06,600 --> 01:53:10,100
Philippines. 
Wow, You can see that that's a 

2077
01:53:10,108 --> 01:53:15,100
picture of me and her glare on 
it or not I see it as a sort of 

2078
01:53:15,100 --> 01:53:21,400
restaurant is time Russia but 
it's fascinating because, you 

2079
01:53:21,400 --> 01:53:23,500
know, I like I said, I grew up 
outside of Philadelphia and I 

2080
01:53:23,508 --> 01:53:27,700
just knew like this culture, you
know, like did you yet and how 

2081
01:53:27,700 --> 01:53:31,500
you do it, right? 
It does culture and she was a 

2082
01:53:31,500 --> 01:53:35,000
shock. 
She was like, wow. 

2083
01:53:35,200 --> 01:53:41,900
Like like just I'm like what you
live how and you carry yourself 

2084
01:53:41,900 --> 01:53:44,800
in what way and one of the 
things that attracted me to her 

2085
01:53:44,800 --> 01:53:49,100
so much and one of the things 
she says about me is about 

2086
01:53:49,100 --> 01:53:53,200
honest was that I have twins 
that are there going to be 16 

2087
01:53:53,200 --> 01:53:55,200
years old. 
Hmm, out of wedlock. 

2088
01:53:55,200 --> 01:53:58,300
You know, I was, I was young, I 
was very young. 

2089
01:53:58,800 --> 01:54:02,600
I was 18 almost turning 19 when 
we have by the in Siena 

2090
01:54:02,600 --> 01:54:07,100
fraternal twins and very worthy 
work. 

2091
01:54:07,300 --> 01:54:11,600
Relationship worldly everything 
but it's she what God has been 

2092
01:54:11,600 --> 01:54:16,300
teaching me through my wife. 
Like I wasn't allowed in her 

2093
01:54:16,300 --> 01:54:21,500
mother's house to like and the 
we're engaged culture shock. 

2094
01:54:22,200 --> 01:54:25,600
Like for me I'm like well I 
respect it because I got my 

2095
01:54:25,600 --> 01:54:29,600
heart broken it on my God, I'm 
celibate for a little while and 

2096
01:54:29,800 --> 01:54:32,200
you know coming to the Lord at 
that 24 years old. 

2097
01:54:32,200 --> 01:54:35,400
So I started to change as 
mistakes, but it's not hard to 

2098
01:54:35,400 --> 01:54:41,100
change this go. 
The more I get this right, you 

2099
01:54:41,100 --> 01:54:42,800
know. 
I don't want to I don't want to 

2100
01:54:42,800 --> 01:54:45,900
die in all of this. 
But anyway, she's been on. 

2101
01:54:47,100 --> 01:54:52,300
She's been quite a rock and, you
know, a challenge and just just 

2102
01:54:52,800 --> 01:54:55,500
causing me to forcing me to see 
things differently. 

2103
01:54:55,500 --> 01:54:58,200
Like, because she's done America
night. 

2104
01:54:58,200 --> 01:55:00,300
I tell people, she's on 
Americanized. 

2105
01:55:00,300 --> 01:55:01,400
And like, what do you mean by 
that? 

2106
01:55:01,400 --> 01:55:06,300
I'm like, you know, if you know,
we don't know ourselves, we 

2107
01:55:06,300 --> 01:55:15,500
right. 
And there's so many Loose Ends 

2108
01:55:15,500 --> 01:55:20,500
especially biblically in like 
from a man who's terribly flawed

2109
01:55:20,500 --> 01:55:25,700
like, where I'm at and what I 
know God wants me to be holy as 

2110
01:55:25,700 --> 01:55:28,000
he is Holy. 
I know I'm not living whole, you

2111
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:32,200
know, I still am wrestling and 
dealing like I smoke cigars, my 

2112
01:55:32,200 --> 01:55:36,300
wife, who eats it and that's one
of the like the last Frontiers. 

2113
01:55:36,300 --> 01:55:39,400
Whereas I don't I'm a drink in, 
I never intervene it. 

2114
01:55:39,400 --> 01:55:42,500
Like, did hard drugs or nothing 
like that, you know, I partied 

2115
01:55:42,700 --> 01:55:47,400
when I was younger, but I'm like
that's so hard to quit these 

2116
01:55:47,400 --> 01:55:49,700
smoking these little cigars and 
you're saying stuff from this 

2117
01:55:49,700 --> 01:55:56,100
episode tonight, where I'm like,
My will you're my intellect. 

2118
01:55:56,600 --> 01:56:01,300
I like by does all this stuff 
has to line up but I'm like why 

2119
01:56:01,300 --> 01:56:04,000
are we not talk to think that 
way? 

2120
01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:09,300
That's why I say things like 
systematic desensitization. 

2121
01:56:09,500 --> 01:56:14,500
Yeah yeah get like some secret 
backdoor to Christianity 

2122
01:56:15,800 --> 01:56:17,600
Christians. 
You actually got it, right? 

2123
01:56:17,600 --> 01:56:20,100
And then there's all of us out 
here who need help. 

2124
01:56:20,200 --> 01:56:23,600
Yeah, I'm telling you. 
That that was me. 

2125
01:56:23,600 --> 01:56:26,700
I when I started with, I was 
like, why are we not told? 

2126
01:56:27,100 --> 01:56:30,000
And then I realized is because 
nobody else knew we didn't know,

2127
01:56:30,400 --> 01:56:34,900
you know, and the way like I 
said, we had a we've had a bad 

2128
01:56:34,900 --> 01:56:38,300
theology about emotion. 
Matter of fact there was a guy 

2129
01:56:38,300 --> 01:56:42,700
named Martin Seligman, he was 
the past president of the 

2130
01:56:42,708 --> 01:56:46,300
American Psychological 
Association when he became the 

2131
01:56:46,308 --> 01:56:49,600
president. 
He gave his inaugural address 

2132
01:56:49,900 --> 01:56:55,500
and he said in Gee, we've been 
studying maladaptive emotions 

2133
01:56:55,500 --> 01:56:58,300
from almost the beginning of 
psychology, many new study, 

2134
01:56:58,300 --> 01:57:02,400
anger, and rage and depression, 
is that we just studied all the 

2135
01:57:02,400 --> 01:57:05,100
negative emotions. 
He said we need to start 

2136
01:57:05,100 --> 01:57:08,700
studying positive emotions, and 
the impact that they have. 

2137
01:57:08,700 --> 01:57:11,000
A, how do we nurture? 
And I was surprised when I heard

2138
01:57:11,000 --> 01:57:13,700
his own, wait, a minute 
psychologist that hasn't been 

2139
01:57:13,700 --> 01:57:17,500
there, that wasn't their focus. 
So that began began a whole 

2140
01:57:17,500 --> 01:57:20,800
movement in Psychology called 
positive psychology. 

2141
01:57:21,000 --> 01:57:24,400
That's been going on now. 
Now, for about 25, 30 years. 

2142
01:57:24,700 --> 01:57:28,700
Okay, I remember when it started
and when I heard him say that I 

2143
01:57:28,700 --> 01:57:31,700
went, that's the same problem. 
We've had in Christianity, we 

2144
01:57:31,700 --> 01:57:37,200
have studied the - if you it, 
when II started collecting books

2145
01:57:37,200 --> 01:57:40,000
by Christians, by Christian 
therapists and psychologists, 

2146
01:57:40,200 --> 01:57:41,500
most of them dealt with their 
things. 

2147
01:57:41,500 --> 01:57:45,400
Like how to get over a hanger, 
how to get over lust, how to get

2148
01:57:45,400 --> 01:57:48,100
over depression. 
There was nothing about how do 

2149
01:57:48,100 --> 01:57:49,700
you cultivate or I should say, 
there's nothing. 

2150
01:57:49,700 --> 01:57:51,900
There was very little on. 
How do you cultivate? 

2151
01:57:52,100 --> 01:57:54,400
They Joy, are you cultivate? 
Peace. 

2152
01:57:54,400 --> 01:57:56,200
How do you? 
And then there was, there was 

2153
01:57:56,200 --> 01:58:00,100
absolutely nothing on. 
How do you utilize your emotions

2154
01:58:00,200 --> 01:58:04,200
to change your emotions. 
There is nothing on that and 

2155
01:58:04,200 --> 01:58:07,400
I'll be honest with you, they're
still really nothing on that 

2156
01:58:07,500 --> 01:58:10,100
that that's we've gotten better 
in the body of Christ. 

2157
01:58:10,100 --> 01:58:14,100
I've been tracking it for the 
past 30 years we've gotten 

2158
01:58:14,100 --> 01:58:16,400
better. 
We were talking about emotions 

2159
01:58:16,400 --> 01:58:18,400
down the church. 
We're talking about things we 

2160
01:58:18,400 --> 01:58:21,400
struggle with but I said, but we
still got some catching up to 

2161
01:58:21,400 --> 01:58:23,000
do. 
There are there are things that 

2162
01:58:23,000 --> 01:58:25,800
I know I do. 
And I'm not a therapist, I tell 

2163
01:58:25,800 --> 01:58:27,200
people that. 
I'm not a therapist. 

2164
01:58:27,400 --> 01:58:29,100
I'm not a counselor. 
I'm a coach. 

2165
01:58:29,200 --> 01:58:30,800
That's what. 
And I said, I'm a pastor and I'm

2166
01:58:30,800 --> 01:58:35,300
a coach but I have actually 
trained therapist and what I do 

2167
01:58:35,800 --> 01:58:37,700
because they're like, what are 
you doing? 

2168
01:58:37,700 --> 01:58:39,600
How are you? 
So, I've had therapist come to 

2169
01:58:39,600 --> 01:58:43,300
my training so that they can 
learn my tools and strategies 

2170
01:58:43,300 --> 01:58:47,800
that I've learned from other 
people and because they and I I 

2171
01:58:47,800 --> 01:58:50,600
have a couple of friends who are
counselors. 

2172
01:58:50,800 --> 01:58:54,400
They're licensed Who knew me 
mm0? 

2173
01:58:54,700 --> 01:58:56,300
I'm sorry. 
I don't mean to keep you man. 

2174
01:58:56,300 --> 01:58:59,300
I know you got to go. 
No, no, I'm hanging onto it. 

2175
01:58:59,300 --> 01:59:01,700
Like I'm loving. 
It's one of those things. 

2176
01:59:01,700 --> 01:59:05,800
Like I I've been up since 4:00 
a.m. so forgive you and it a 

2177
01:59:05,808 --> 01:59:08,200
little bit but I have offered a 
next five days. 

2178
01:59:08,400 --> 01:59:09,900
That's why. 
I was like totally cool with 

2179
01:59:09,900 --> 01:59:13,700
this late interview because I'm 
doing a training this past 

2180
01:59:13,700 --> 01:59:15,000
weekend. 
We get up at four in the 

2181
01:59:15,000 --> 01:59:17,300
morning. 
We start at 4:30 minutes. 

2182
01:59:22,600 --> 01:59:27,200
Degrees and counseling. 
Okay, I have another friend who 

2183
01:59:27,200 --> 01:59:28,700
has a master's degree in 
counseling. 

2184
01:59:28,700 --> 01:59:32,400
All three of them told me that 
they were not really taught how 

2185
01:59:32,400 --> 01:59:36,500
to help people to change. 
They spent all I said, yes, but 

2186
01:59:36,500 --> 01:59:38,300
you spent all this money and 
they go, I know. 

2187
01:59:38,300 --> 01:59:41,600
But I was not two of them, I 
have personally trained and they

2188
01:59:41,600 --> 01:59:44,200
get the intellect, they get 
intellect, intellect, intellect 

2189
01:59:44,200 --> 01:59:49,600
from school, my will, in the 
emotion, yet, one of my friends 

2190
01:59:49,600 --> 01:59:53,200
is a really cool to. 
He's a pastoral, he's in charge 

2191
01:59:53,200 --> 01:59:56,200
of pastoral care at a church in 
Minnesota. 

2192
01:59:57,000 --> 01:59:58,800
L. 
Can he told me? 

2193
01:59:58,800 --> 02:00:02,700
He said, Mike, he said what you 
and Bob Bob was my partners in 

2194
02:00:02,700 --> 02:00:05,400
this guy who trained me. 
He said, what Mike taught me. 

2195
02:00:05,600 --> 02:00:08,800
He said we learn any of that in 
my class is that we didn't learn

2196
02:00:08,800 --> 02:00:11,700
any of that and I go really, I 
said, what did you learn? 

2197
02:00:11,700 --> 02:00:15,200
He said, we were taught models 
of change but we were not taught

2198
02:00:15,200 --> 02:00:18,400
how to help people to change. 
Oh wait, you're kidding me. 

2199
02:00:18,600 --> 02:00:23,500
I'm working with a young lady. 
Now who's a therapist she when I

2200
02:00:23,500 --> 02:00:25,500
first met her she saw me on 
somebody's interview. 

2201
02:00:25,500 --> 02:00:27,100
She said, can I contact you as 
a? 

2202
02:00:27,108 --> 02:00:30,300
Yeah. 
So we taught and I showed her a 

2203
02:00:30,300 --> 02:00:34,700
simple tool to help people and 
release negative emotions She's 

2204
02:00:34,700 --> 02:00:37,700
like oh my gosh she said you 
just giving me something to help

2205
02:00:37,700 --> 02:00:39,100
my client. 
She said, cause sometimes I work

2206
02:00:39,100 --> 02:00:42,400
with my clients, all this 
emotion gets stirred up but then

2207
02:00:42,400 --> 02:00:44,700
I don't know what to do with all
these emotions that get stirred 

2208
02:00:44,700 --> 02:00:47,500
up. 
So they leave my session with 

2209
02:00:47,500 --> 02:00:49,300
all these emotions. 
And I was like, oh, that's 

2210
02:00:49,600 --> 02:00:52,500
terrible because I never when I 
have clients, always tell them. 

2211
02:00:52,500 --> 02:00:55,000
I said, I will never leave you 
worse than when you came in. 

2212
02:00:55,300 --> 02:00:58,400
Never, I do not do that. 
I've heard that there are a lot 

2213
02:00:58,400 --> 02:01:00,400
of therapists who do that. 
They'll stir up all these 

2214
02:01:00,400 --> 02:01:01,500
emotions. 
Then I go. 

2215
02:01:01,500 --> 02:01:03,800
Well, our time is up, I'll see 
you next week. 

2216
02:01:04,600 --> 02:01:07,000
Take a double dose of your 
medicine for the next three 

2217
02:01:07,000 --> 02:01:09,100
days. 
So that you don't know, man. 

2218
02:01:09,100 --> 02:01:13,200
Tell me you and I respect their 
opinions but some of the what I 

2219
02:01:13,200 --> 02:01:15,700
realized they have the tool so I
share with the generator for let

2220
02:01:15,700 --> 02:01:19,500
me show you a simple tool. 
She shared it with her client. 

2221
02:01:19,500 --> 02:01:21,700
She said, she said my client 
called me back said, man, this 

2222
02:01:21,700 --> 02:01:23,700
is this is made such a 
difference. 

2223
02:01:23,700 --> 02:01:26,100
I thank God for this. 
She said, when I get depressed, 

2224
02:01:26,100 --> 02:01:28,100
now I know how to release it. 
Let It Go. 

2225
02:01:28,300 --> 02:01:30,600
But I don't get stirred up and 
she ended therapist was thanking

2226
02:01:30,600 --> 02:01:31,600
me. 
She said, thank you. 

2227
02:01:31,800 --> 02:01:35,600
You shown me a way of helping my
Ants and now so she wants to 

2228
02:01:35,600 --> 02:01:37,800
take the training with me. 
She says let me know when you're

2229
02:01:37,800 --> 02:01:39,800
doing a training, I got another 
therapist who wants to join the 

2230
02:01:39,800 --> 02:01:43,000
training. 
So so so what does that training

2231
02:01:43,000 --> 02:01:46,700
look like if I was like I mean 
we're three hours differences. 

2232
02:01:46,700 --> 02:01:48,400
It's online obviously? 
Right? 

2233
02:01:48,400 --> 02:01:51,100
Yeah. 
We do it first and only or one 

2234
02:01:51,100 --> 02:01:53,300
of them is what we call a hybrid
approach. 

2235
02:01:53,300 --> 02:01:54,500
It is. 
Okay. 

2236
02:01:54,500 --> 02:01:56,700
Part of its online. 
That's the patterns for 

2237
02:01:56,700 --> 02:01:59,100
Renewing, Your Mind part of its 
online. 

2238
02:01:59,100 --> 02:02:01,800
Part of it. 
It's, we make face to fit, well,

2239
02:02:01,900 --> 02:02:03,300
we weren't doing it during the 
pandemic. 

2240
02:02:03,300 --> 02:02:05,500
So we actually, I didn't even 
Trainees during the pandemic 

2241
02:02:05,500 --> 02:02:06,800
because we're doing so many 
other ones. 

2242
02:02:09,300 --> 02:02:12,000
The other two are online though,
and we normally do the. 

2243
02:02:12,100 --> 02:02:15,900
So the Sanctified emotions one, 
which is for your personal and 

2244
02:02:15,900 --> 02:02:18,500
then the, the coach 
certification, which is for 

2245
02:02:18,500 --> 02:02:24,000
working with other people. 
Those two are done all online, 

2246
02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:27,600
they're all online. 
We usually be using meet once a 

2247
02:02:27,608 --> 02:02:32,500
week for about two hours in the 
evening and you get practices. 

2248
02:02:32,500 --> 02:02:36,000
Then we sometimes we do extra 
Shinzon the weekend where we 

2249
02:02:36,000 --> 02:02:39,100
meet together we talked about 
how is it working for you? 

2250
02:02:39,100 --> 02:02:41,400
There's not working right? 
Like there are coaches that I 

2251
02:02:41,400 --> 02:02:45,000
still work with in terms of like
they'll get it could. 

2252
02:02:45,000 --> 02:02:49,100
Hey Mike I'm working with this 
person and so I approached this 

2253
02:02:49,100 --> 02:02:51,000
because I've been doing this. 
Hmm, I've been doing the 

2254
02:02:51,000 --> 02:02:54,300
coaching part for over 20 years.
The guy like 20 years experience

2255
02:02:54,800 --> 02:02:57,000
and so I go. 
Okay, did you try this? 

2256
02:02:57,000 --> 02:02:58,000
Did you do this? 
They go? 

2257
02:02:58,100 --> 02:02:59,400
No, I didn't ask. 
Okay, try that. 

2258
02:02:59,400 --> 02:03:01,600
Let me know how it works so I 
consult with them. 

2259
02:03:01,600 --> 02:03:04,000
Hmm, you know? 
And so we do that too. 

2260
02:03:04,000 --> 02:03:06,300
So I With my coaches. 
Some of them are they've been 

2261
02:03:06,300 --> 02:03:08,100
coaches for a while. 
Some of them are new. 

2262
02:03:08,500 --> 02:03:12,200
So I go I walk with you I you 
know hold your hand for long as 

2263
02:03:12,200 --> 02:03:15,100
you need most. 
I think it's necessary to help 

2264
02:03:15,100 --> 02:03:17,800
you get started. 
Help you in working with people 

2265
02:03:18,000 --> 02:03:20,400
because I tell him I said once 
you learn the skills that 

2266
02:03:20,400 --> 02:03:22,200
doesn't mean you're an expert 
that just means you know, the 

2267
02:03:22,200 --> 02:03:26,100
skills becoming an expert takes 
time, you know, training the 

2268
02:03:26,100 --> 02:03:27,500
training course. 
Yeah. 

2269
02:03:28,300 --> 02:03:32,000
Because those aren't our 
coaches, our coaches training is

2270
02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:35,300
over fifteen week period. 
So we meet Once a week. 

2271
02:03:35,400 --> 02:03:37,200
Yeah. 
And you get about two hours, 

2272
02:03:37,200 --> 02:03:40,200
that's two hours of the actual 
time, and then the extra 

2273
02:03:40,300 --> 02:03:42,600
meetings we have, but because I 
want to make sure people are 

2274
02:03:42,600 --> 02:03:46,100
thoroughly trained, but you keep
training actual tools to help 

2275
02:03:46,100 --> 02:03:49,400
people to change. 
So we show them how to do it. 

2276
02:03:49,400 --> 02:03:52,800
We show them how to ask good 
questions, how to listen, what 

2277
02:03:52,800 --> 02:03:56,100
we're getting ready to do next, 
is create a because I've we've 

2278
02:03:56,100 --> 02:03:58,200
had a lot of success with 
helping marry couples. 

2279
02:03:59,300 --> 02:04:02,200
We're going to do a training on 
how to work out a coach married 

2280
02:04:02,200 --> 02:04:05,200
couples. 
So because a friend, Of my one 

2281
02:04:05,200 --> 02:04:06,900
of the coaches I trained. 
She said are you going to do a 

2282
02:04:06,907 --> 02:04:08,300
training on how to work with 
couples? 

2283
02:04:08,600 --> 02:04:10,800
Oh wait, no, I said the train I 
gave you guys. 

2284
02:04:10,900 --> 02:04:12,600
She says, no, no, you do 
something different. 

2285
02:04:12,600 --> 02:04:15,200
I hear you talking about it. 
She said I thought about went. 

2286
02:04:15,200 --> 02:04:18,200
Yeah, I do kind of do some 
things differently there so but 

2287
02:04:18,200 --> 02:04:21,800
we but in the trainees we talk 
about two things, we talk about 

2288
02:04:21,800 --> 02:04:24,900
principles and patterns. 
We talked about the principles 

2289
02:04:24,900 --> 02:04:27,900
of change and then we show you 
the patterns of the strategies 

2290
02:04:28,100 --> 02:04:30,900
to help people change and we do 
it all from a Biblical 

2291
02:04:30,900 --> 02:04:34,000
perspective. 
I have closed until it was a 

2292
02:04:34,000 --> 02:04:37,300
neuroscientific perspective 
where he said, well said, I have

2293
02:04:37,300 --> 02:04:42,300
a lot to learn. 
I thank God, I'll say this in 

2294
02:04:42,300 --> 02:04:44,200
close. 
I thank God for the path you 

2295
02:04:44,200 --> 02:04:45,600
take. 
It was difficult in the early 

2296
02:04:45,600 --> 02:04:47,100
years. 
I didn't know if I was going 

2297
02:04:47,100 --> 02:04:52,300
down the wrong path but what it 
made me do was study very hard 

2298
02:04:52,500 --> 02:04:57,200
and in depth now I get people 
coming to me having questions 

2299
02:04:57,400 --> 02:04:59,100
like oh well what about this? 
What about this? 

2300
02:04:59,100 --> 02:05:00,000
How does this fit with 
scripture? 

2301
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:02,000
I go. 
Oh it's okay let's talk about 

2302
02:05:02,100 --> 02:05:05,800
That It Go like, oh my God. 
You really, I've had, I had a, I

2303
02:05:05,800 --> 02:05:09,300
had a psychologist. 
One time who was struggling with

2304
02:05:09,300 --> 02:05:11,600
being a psychologist, because he
was a Christian. 

2305
02:05:12,500 --> 02:05:15,600
And he said, he's at my family, 
condemns me for being a 

2306
02:05:15,608 --> 02:05:17,900
psychologist. 
They said, I'm not trusting God,

2307
02:05:18,000 --> 02:05:20,900
so I sat down with him at lunch 
one day, let me share with you 

2308
02:05:20,900 --> 02:05:23,400
what God showed with me, and he 
started crying. 

2309
02:05:24,000 --> 02:05:27,100
And he said, you've helped me in
30 minutes more than I've been 

2310
02:05:27,100 --> 02:05:29,700
helped in a long time. 
Is it just by sharing your 

2311
02:05:29,700 --> 02:05:32,300
journey? 
So, I look at what I've In 

2312
02:05:32,300 --> 02:05:37,400
through that God is now he's now
using it to help other people. 

2313
02:05:37,400 --> 02:05:45,000
And so I'm very grateful. 
Keep him what you told me to 

2314
02:05:45,000 --> 02:05:59,900
keep doing it. 
When you are to thank you for 

2315
02:05:59,900 --> 02:06:01,500
having me on your podcast.