Hello folks. This is Princess.
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We're in a very tough spot. I think that what we're doing
right now is a great benefit and virtue because it's an end
around between this whole corrupt informational system,
media system. We claim to believe in a God who
spoke the universe into existence and literally raised
himself from the dead, and yet we are not going to believe that
anything else exists in the spirit realm, even though his
word tells us that they do. Their bodies weren't permitted
to go to sleep like humans do, and they weren't permitted to go
to heaven, so they wander the earth.
You know, I've seen the eyes turn black to unknown tongues
being spoken. These giants would live way up
in the Highland. The young Braves, the young men
would hide up in the trees and wait for one of these 12 footers
to come walking down the path. And they would jump on them and
kill them, drag them back to the village and the village would
feast on the body freedom. Then people start to get
weapons, they start to get armor, they start to build
cities, they start to fortify their cities.
Now God looks down and there's violence everywhere.
The battle, this war that we are at, is not against each other.
It's against these principalities and these rulers
and these archons in the high places.
It's really worthwhile to read the Bible yourself.
Fear is one of the primary drivers of mind control, because
we have to take every thought captive and resist fear.
You're going to have a testimony that is a justice case against
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you for being here with me for another awesome episode.
But this isn't just any episode. This is episode 100 and it's
very special because I am joined by the one and only Basil
Rosewater from Canary Cry Radio. Many of you may know him from
Canary Cry News Talk. This episode is a big deal for
me because it was Basil and Gonz who encouraged me, strangely
enough in 2017, through listening to their podcast
Canary Cry Radio, to take a step of faith and start my own
podcast. And this is kind of full circle.
Sir Basil and I have a really cool conversation.
I ask him some questions. We talk a little bit of like
podcast shop talk. Basil shares with us advice,
oversight, you know, just climactical points of
podcasting, how it started, the content that they're covering
now, warning what to look out for.
And towards the end of the episode, he shares a
supernatural encounter that he had that he's never shared
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But I won't waste any more time because we have basil here from
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Are you guys ready? Let's go.
Hey everybody, your best buddy Basil here from Canary Cry News
Talk. And I want to welcome you to the
Millennial Mustard Seed Podcast. Basil, what is going on, man?
That was an epic introduction, and it is a honor to be with you
here on the Mustard Seed, bro. Thank you very much, Rod.
I'm happy to be here, man. Uniquely, you and Gonz.
Inspired me to take the step to start podcasting while listening
to you guys in 2017. Yes, I love.
It. I love that.
I love hearing that. And yeah, you know, there's a
lot of people out there that want to start podcasting and it
takes a big leap. It takes, you know, some serious
inspiration. You know, I don't know if you
being inspired by us means that, you know, we made it look easy.
Or something. Or like, Oh my gosh, if these
guys can do it, I can certainly do it.
So in a nutshell, what was happening is in my mind, I'm
wrestling through all this stuff.
I had a supernatural life. I have all these questions.
I kind of always felt like the enemy was trying to get me to
keep my mouth shut, if you will, you know, through like physical
trauma to my face all the way to, you know, having trouble
talking as a kid and just like all this stuff over the course
of my life. So I'm like in my mid 20s and.
I'm listening to you guys at work at the factory, and I'm
feeling like the burning down in the gut like this is true that
you know Doctor Chuck Missler at the time, I'm listening to him
like falling out of my chair and I'm going, nobody else is
talking about this like, like this is like a phenomenon to
find you and guns. And I'm like, OK, so here's.
You know, something for me to kind of cling on to and be like,
well, there's other voices out there and I remember wrestling
through like day by day as I'm kind of like listening to your
guys shows at that time on Canary Cry radio and then
finally just being like, you know what?
Well, I'm going to take a step of faith and I'm going to start
talking about what's in my mind, what I'm thinking, the puzzle
pieces I'm putting together and I'm going to be unashamed about
it. So you guys like kind of like
lead in that way and we're demonstrating you can do this
and I. You know, I was listening like
Sasquatch Chronicles at the time and like between just nobody
else, really like being bold and courageous and bringing that
stuff out. I'm like, man, you and Gonz were
like, you guys were it, man. I'm like, these guys are doing
it. You know what I mean?
I'm like, I want to. I want to do what they're doing.
So yeah, that that really pushed me into starting the first show.
That's great man. I'm very humbled to hear that.
Yeah, you know, it was a weird time.
When we started back in 2012, there was no sort of new guard
coming up in in that kind of space.
The Fringy Space and Future Quake had just done their last
show and that's when Gonz and I had.
We were Co workers for a long time and we kind of worked in
the same room but literally never spoke to each other.
Right around the time when future quake shut down, that's
when we kind of met and we're like oh you're weird too.
I'm weird too. And we were working at a mega
church at the at the time in the tech department and so suddenly,
you know we are two quiet guys working in the same department
who really never talked about anything to just really getting
into it on the company dime. In fact we got in trouble for
using church property to record our first podcast.
But yeah it's it's been very interesting since we started to
see the, I mean not even just in the fringy Christian space,
although that is a a big part of it, but just the whole world.
You know, we often joke Gonz and I like, oh jeez, if, you know,
if this is a simulation, like they're running it off of our
podcast, Like they're, you know, it's like all the craziest stuff
that we could talk about. Whether it was, you know, aliens
in a biblical worldview or cryptozoology or the government
or, you know, secret society, whatever it was, year after
year, it just kept coming true, just one thing after another.
We're like, oh, my goodness. And thankfully the, you know,
the next generation of people talking about this have grown up
and you're definitely a part of that.
And we're we're just stoked. We're always stoked to hear that
somebody was inspired to start a podcast because of us.
Because here's the thing, we had no idea what we were doing when
we started. It was a slow moving train,
folks. It was, you know, it took us a
year to get to 100 listeners. Now, of course, podcasts was
totally different back then. Nobody knew what it is.
You know, it was not the sort of cultural phenomenon that it is
now. So a lot of our sort of struggle
was just trying to teach people what a podcast is.
And you know, there we got to give credit to sort of the the
fathers of the genre. Of course there's been, you
know, the generation before us has been talking about stuff
like this for a long time. They've been doing it for a lot
longer than we have. But you know, they're retiring.
I hope they're retiring, although you can't assume that
with podcasters and fringe researchers and stuff, you know,
there's no quality retirement plan there.
But yeah, it's been really fun to a continue podcasting, which
is the hardest part about podcasting for anybody out there
listening. I've walked, you know, a dozen
people or so through starting a podcast previously.
I've started many myself and it is really not hard to start.
But what is extremely difficult is to keep going because you'll
go a year and not see a lot of, you know, a lot of growth.
You'll go two years. And I this is almost down to a
science. I have it here around between 40
and 60 episodes, and I this might not be what you wanted to
talk about, but just to try to inspire other people between
four episode 40 and episode 60, that's the danger zone.
That means you've been doing it for about a year and it starts
to feel like work. You really kind of, you know, 40
to 60 episodes, you can pretty much cover everything that
inspired you to start podcasting.
And somewhere between 40 and 60, you kind of look around and
you're like, oh gosh, I interviewed everybody who I
could. I talked about every topic that
I could. I'm a year in and I'm not like
seeing any growth or anything. And it really becomes a slog.
So I tell every person trying to get into podcasting, it's easy
to start, roll with it, use that momentum, but be prepared.
Because between episode 40 and 60, that is the danger zone
where most podcasts sort of drop off.
And I'm speaking from experience as well.
I have two other podcasts, Rabble and The Joy Spearcy
Theory, which both made it to about 60 episodes.
Until you know the IT just, you know, you get a year in.
Your schedule is different, your life is different, your it, it
it becomes work at that point. So have fun with it for a year.
After that year, consider it your purpose.
It must be your job. It must be your purpose.
And when I mean job, I mean, of course make money.
However, you need to make money. The chances of making money
podcasting are extremely slim. But you know, after 4060
episodes, that's when the rubber meets the road and you gotta dig
in. You gotta dig in, keep your
schedule, and just keep petitioning the Lord for
inspiration 'cause it gets rough.
Yeah, wow, Wise words, man. And yeah, there's a lot of new
podcasts that that I talk with that are right at that year
marker. You know, we talk kind of like
privately and and I've been doing this for just a few years.
So it's like there's kind of like, hey, is there any hope at
the 3rd and 4th year marker? And I'm like personally passion,
like you know, it's like drive. There's always hope, But you
know, it's really when you, and this is a good thing to learn in
life in general, which is, you know, external gratification can
only get you so far. But then after that, around
episode 40, you have to start going into some internal
motivation. You you have to remember why
you're doing it. You need to, you know, set goals
and work towards those goals. And it really does.
It turns into really just like anything in the world, you know,
you gotta have that internal motivation and my goodness, just
pray that the Lord keeps you inspired 'cause that's the
biggest part of it. Very interesting.
Well I mean for you, you've you guys are O GS in the podcast
game like you and Gonz have been doing this.
Like I think you guys were like the second podcast I really ever
listened to. It was like sounds about
Chronicles and then you guys. And then once, you know, like
I'm like Christian weird, I'm like I'm hooked.
Like I I just, I'm in. So give us some like a 30,000
foot view of what things have looked like, you know, since you
turned to Canary Cry news talk. I know that started around the
2020 marker. Just give us like a real quick
brief overview of that. And because that was birthed out
of Canary Cry radio, Yes. And it actually started a little
bit sooner. It's funny because 20 is when we
sort of blew up in the way that we have.
But again, another testament to the requirement that you just
stick with it. So we started Canary Cry Radio
in 2012 and we did that for about four years and we kind of
became very inconsistent. I we are still making great
content, but you know, life changes a lot after four years.
The consistency had gone down, some stuff like that and we
really started kinnary crying news talk simply as a practice
inconsistency. We said what can we do to
guarantee that we can do something long lasting.
We can do it consistently. It won't burn us out.
It won't take away from what we already got going on in life.
It really started as sort of a, you know, a self improvement
project. And so you know, we started News
talk in 2016 and it was a 29 minute show once a week.
And again we kind of made these rules because of course once you
get podcasting, you know, the app, the the episode starts
reaching out to like three and four hours if you're not
careful. You know, if you're not careful
you can really let it kind of take too much time.
So we very specifically said, OK, we're going to do it.
The one goal is to keep doing it every week.
So we did a 29 minute episode, once a week, no more, no less.
And we did that from 2016 to 2020, just every week.
And we were surprising ourselves.
We're like, Oh my gosh, look at us go, man.
By that time, you know, we were basically had reached the same
amount of time that we had been doing Canary Cry radio before we
started. And we're like, OK, we did it.
And keeping it short, like that was great because we weren't
taking up people, too much of people's time.
We weren't taking too much of our time.
It was a practice and editing a practice and making things
shorter. And that was really sort of a
revolution for us. Now somebody out there may be
hearing me ramble on and say it doesn't seem like you learned
the lesson to keep things short, but that's what it really was
about. And with that, you know, trying
to pack as much production quality and as much quality
content. And for us, you know, we're we
just are not gonna do something if we're not having fun.
We're that's just our temperament.
Like if something isn't fun anymore, it just kind of loses
our interest. So since we're making these 29
minute episodes, we put a lot of jingles and work into keeping
the pace, covering stories that we thought were important and
building upon sort of the Canary cry radio world view that we had
laid down for about four years. And you know, it's a little bit
cheating because we did carry over a percentage of our Canary
Cry radio listeners to Canary Cry news talk.
So we got a little bit of a boost, which not a lot of people
get. And I recognize that that is a a
big part of what can make a podcast work is you know having
a built in audience. So we did that.
We did it for four years. We're like this is incredible,
we've never done anything this consistently And then boom,
COVID hit and you know I had always, I had always had another
job. I, you know, I was always
working. We were not sort of
professionally podcasting wasn't paying the bills the whole time.
I mean, thankfully we had some really generous listeners who
want wanted to help out and that built very slowly, but it was,
it was not enough to live off of.
But then COVID hit and all my other job prospects disappeared.
There was nothing I could do, you know, instantly sort of
money problems. And so guns.
And I said, hey, you know what, We've done this show this long.
Let's just see what else we can do.
Let's keep it rolling. We are very inspired by a show
called No Agenda with Adam Curry and John C Dvorak is a big
career professional highlight of mine.
To get Adam Curry on Kinnar Crying News Talk a couple
episodes ago is huge, kind of a fun full circle thing.
So that in the sort of storyline of our podcasting career is very
cool. But Long story short, we
basically lifted their model and you know, we're not, you know,
somebody has criticism of that. That's fine.
We have no shame that, you know, we had a show, it was working
COVID hit, we had no money and we switched over to the value
for value model, switched over to, I mean, man, early COVID,
some of those episodes were regularly going 4 hours three
times a week. We go from once a week, a 129
minute episode, once a week to 3/4 hour episodes a week.
I mean, that gives you kind of the idea of what those early
days of lockdowns, you know, the kind of time we had on our hands
and really somehow by the grace of God.
And by the foundation that we laid with our practice and
consistency beforehand, somehow we have pretty much been able to
do 3 episodes a week, hopefully not a full full 4 hours without
fail. And you know, we have failed a
couple times, but we're still doing it, we're still doing it,
and it's still working. And man, am I just like, I don't
know. I don't have the words to truly
express how absolutely blown away I am.
I mean, I tell people all the time in in my life, online,
whatever. I literally think that I am the
luckiest human alive. I mean, I take stock of the
blessings that God's given me and given guns and everything.
And like, I don't know, man, I would pretty much put up the
blessings God has given me up against anybody who thinks
they're the luckiest person alive, whether that's true or
not, you know, whatever. But it feels nice to live in
that space of gratitude, because, you know, I can barely
believe it. And the only thing we can do is
just keep going. Perspective is everything, man,
and it's so fascinating to like, Come to hear.
You know, just like where your heart's at with it after all
this time, You know, to like all these years of like hearing your
voice. Like I remember being in the
factory and just like it's like grueling.
And like when COVID hit for me, it was like I was an essential
worker. So like, we were like I was
working mandatory Fridays on 2nd shift at the time, like it was
crazy. And so I worked probably the
most through 2020 and like the rest of the world, was on
Paul's. So there was like a lot of stuff
where it was like just hearing your voice all those years now
sitting in front of you and seeing the googly eyes and like
getting to hear like, you know, you're hard on this.
And like, you know, I know for me like one of these rewards
that I've just kind of been seeing is like messages and like
audio messages from other people being like.
Thanks for creating this content.
You know, like we did some episodes with Doctor Robert
Rodich on like you know frequency and different
different. We get really fringe on the
mustard seed, but we also talk about just faith and just basic
things like miracles still happen.
God is still in the move. So it's a really wide spectrum.
But hearing people say, hey, thank you for creating that like
and then just being like man, I remember that felt like.
When I listen to you and God's like those first like, you know,
six months and being like there's somebody else out there
and like I'm like little, you know, soldiers are rising up,
the boldness comes forth, you know, and it's like this is
great. And so there I call it the
ripple effect. I love the ripple effect, you
know, and just seeing, you know, the scriptures say we plant and
we water seeds, the wage is good.
You know, we're going to get a good reward for this.
But God gets glory because he causes the growth.
And just to marvel at that and like, really, this is going to
be the 100th episode Basil for the Mustard Seed.
You know, we, we launched the first episode in the very
beginning of 2020. Before that, I had a total
failure podcast called Not of This World.
Don't Go, listen to it. But that was like, you know,
just getting my foot in the door and like building that
confidence to be like, yeah, I have a voice.
Oh, it hurts to hear my own voice.
Like I remember, like the first time I heard my own voice, I was
like was in the running row. Hide in the woods.
Yeah, it's really bad. But God is doing some unique
stuff. Gets better.
Yeah. Well, so let me ask you a couple
questions, man. You know, with everything that
you guys are doing and all of the things going on in the world
right now today, what would you say are some of the biggest
things for the body of Christ to keep on the radar?
Like stuff that's in the works? I mean, we can get his
conspiracy and weird as he want. But give us like an overview,
like, hey, these two or three different topics, they're hot
buttons. It's continual.
It's been escalating year after year.
And keep your eyes on this. Like, just give us, Yeah,
whatever your mind does with that.
Yeah. Oh, there you go.
Sorry, you froze for a second. Oh, OK, Yes.
Give me a moment, 'cause, you know, we cover such a range of
things and we covered things because we think they're
important. And thankfully there's a lot of
people doing a lot of good work right now.
And you know, I came from a a charismatic background.
That's my Christian tradition. So I'm very familiar and very
versed in sort of the the depth of the supernatural day-to-day.
And I think that's there with a lot of current events going on.
I'll kind of stick with current events because of course we see
end times prophecy sort of constantly in our faces, whether
it's the unrest in the Middle East or CBBCSA beast system, you
know, as fringy as you want to get.
It's it's interesting because they're all actually very
connected. So like everything I just
mentioned is like those are all connected and there's a lot of
really great people who are connecting the dots, staying,
staying up on the events and the the connections.
There's a lot of people who are just coming into the knowledge
of these things. Thank the Lord you know,
podcasting has created a an ecosphere of communication that
I think is directly responsible for a lot of the shifts going on
around the world in the minds of men.
Let's go, man. Let's go.
And you know, that's what was so amazing.
Again, just to plug my episode with Adam Curry, the episode 165
of Canary Cry news talk, I'm sorry, Canary cry radio.
I think it was 688 of Canary Cry news talk.
You know, he is one of the people responsible for the
invention of the technology that is podcasting.
Without his role in the invention of RSS feeds and
podcasting, the world would look entirely different.
We are in what's called a fifth generational war, 5th Gen.
warfare, something that I've been, you know, kind of
obsessively screaming about for a couple months now.
And the long and short of it is warfare nowadays can be
described literally as a war for the not for the minds of the
people, but a war that is fought on the battlefield of civilian
minds. OK, the biggest victories that a
nation state, a corporation or an ideological faction can have
in the war for the world is to win a battle in the minds of
civilians around the world. And this goes much deeper.
But the point is, we've been in a fifth generation war for quite
some time. It's been happening right under
our noses. And I don't mean metaphorically.
This is not a metaphor that there's some sort of war in our
mind. There is literally a war going
on that is focused on. I mean, public opinion is the
spoils of war. And when I say literally, I mean
the governments around the world officially recognize that there
is a war going on. 5th generation of war.
And if it were not for the technology of podcasting, people
like us would have no hope. We we would have almost no
access to some long form, easily digestible, easily spreadable,
easily created, low bar of entry sort of method to try to free
our minds or at least take some independence in this fifth
generation war. And of course, you know, Alex
Jones has been calling it Infowars for a long time.
And you know, I always kind of thought like, oh, Infowars I get
is kind of clever. You know, the war is for your
mind. Like OK, yeah, I get it, but and
I don't know if he meant it or not, or maybe the Lord used that
prophetically, but we are now recognized to be in a literal
5th generation war. Now with that, there's a lot of
new people coming into the knowledge of biblical prophecy,
specifically end times prophecy and things are starting to
unfold in the world. I will say this as a caveat.
Things are starting to unfold in the world again that are tipping
people off to, you know, some possible fulfillment of
prophecy. And with that, there is a bit of
a danger because when you do go off the beaten path, whether
that's spiritually, whether that's, you know,
intellectually, whatever it is, when you go off the beaten path,
it's a dangerous place to be. And this can manifest in
people's, in people's lives in in a couple different ways.
I mean, one of them. We've all seen it that people
who were always sort of free thinkers, who are always sort
of, I don't know, intelligent and inspiring.
You know, a lot of great people, whether they're podcasters or
not, they can get so wrapped up in the identification of things
like the beast system, the Mark of the Beast, the Red heifer,
you know, all these things. It can become so all consuming
that it's has a potential to actually take away from what a
lot of what God's doing in their life.
You know, we are here to. I don't know if you're muted or
not, but I did see you go wow. Yeah, yeah.
I mute myself because I I comment like I'm like, oh, and
people message me and say please mute yourself.
While they're talking, their name is like oh, but no, that
was that was a huge bomb you just dropped there.
Like that is a really big thing that we need to pay attention to
not getting called up. I'm speaking from experience
like I don't. I'm not trying to like what I'm
not doing is trying to be like, oh, look at all these people
looking at end times prophecy now.
Well, that's not even cool anymore.
I mean, chill out. That's not what I'm doing.
What I'm saying is I've been doing this almost every day for
going on 11 years now, going on 12 years almost.
And I have been through every cycle of life while sort of
wrestling with this end times prophecy stuff.
And I I can now look back. It's been a long, a long enough
span of time that there were times when I was so absolutely
obsessed. And I do.
I will call it obsessed. Because there's a point where
you get obsessed, where other parts of your spiritual life
start to hurt. I mean much less, much less.
Your family life, your social life, your church life,
whatever. But there isn't.
There is a time when your spiritual life can really
suffer. You find suddenly that you don't
have peace where you're thinking 24/7 instead of meditating and
praying on the goodness of God and on the, you know the the
absolute awe inspiring role of God's hand in your life
personally, you can. You can lose track of that by
focusing on the sort of mega structure that is end times
prophecy unfolding in front of us.
And I've seen it a lot of times and I've had personal
conversations with with other podcasters and researchers.
And again, this is, I'm not going so far as to say, you
know, to encourage people to ignore what's going on in the
world. But I would say at some point, I
don't know what point it is. It's it's everybody's job to
identify it in their own life. But at some point, it's more
important to live your day-to-day life as if Jesus is
coming back tomorrow versus spending all your time and
spiritual energy on trying to guess when Jesus is coming back.
You know, we get so wrapped up in trying to trying to set a
date, whether it's metaphorically or literally.
You know, we get so wrapped up in trying to anticipate the
Lord's next moves based on on, you know, the Book of Revelation
where we forget to rest and every single day.
And and you know, that's really where the the quality of life
walking alongside Jesus comes from.
So that is a big part of it. I mean, that's one big thing
that I I think more than anything would would change the
atmosphere in the broad spectrum of what, you know, people are
learning and living through right now.
I think that would change the atmosphere in an incredible way
if if we start developing more of that sense, what is God doing
right now in this exact moment in my life?
Not what he's doing in Israel on a global scale or with secret
societies or whatever. So that's why is robots now hear
me out. This is an important one.
OK, so don't don't don't get me
wrong. We got to pay attention to these
little metal guys because for a lot of, for a lot of reasons, I
on my show, I do a it's kind of like a a funny, kind of silly,
but very serious kind of mini podcast within my podcast.
It's called the Flippy Update, and Flippy is our colloquial
name for the disembodied robot arms that are taking our jobs,
enslaving our children, and flirting with our spouses.
We use talking about Flippy as a way to explore all the new fun
and exciting ways that robots are taking over the world, and
now there's nothing we can do about it.
Welcome to the Flippy Update, everybody.
And the reason why the Flippy Update is such an effective
vehicle in, in my communication is robots.
It's really not just about will they put us out of work.
It's really not just about, hey, with robotic manufacturing we
can have universal basic income and everybody can live a
socialist sort of Daydream all day because the robots are
taking care of us. It's not just the fact that with
a lack of Labor in caregiving industries that robots, one of
the the number one advancement going on in robots right now is
we're caring for the elderly. And what does that mean for us
as human beings and our relationship to the generations
before and after us? That, you know, it's already so
sad how difficult it is in America to care for, for an, you
know, our elders. And I say elders not our elderly
because they are elders. They, they play a very important
role in our lives and in our communities.
But because of the American capitalistic sort of rat race,
it's become normal to put your elders in a closet and let
somebody else take care of them. Now the system is built that
way. The system is built to require
us to separate ourselves from maybe the most important human
relationship that we can have, which is our elders, the ones
who passed down the knowledge and the wisdom from a life
lived. And instead we are disposing of
this vital resource in our personal lives.
And again, listeners, you gotta tweak your brain just a second
because you're a lot of you. When I, when you hear what I'm
saying, you're thinking about it in economic terms, you'll say,
well, I got to go to work. I can't take care of my parent.
That's why I put them away and and I hear you.
But part of the battle is to divest yourself from those
economic terms. Stop thinking of the way that
our system is set up strictly in economic terms, because it is
set up in strictly economic terms.
Problem is, you cannot be a human strictly on economic
terms. And so what's happening with
the, yeah, with the labor shortage going on with
caregivers specifically, the number one threat of robots I
think right now is not just that they will take care of our old
people, which they are extremely close to being proficient at.
It's that these robots will be used to further separate us from
our most important resource. That is human experience, passed
down by someone who loves us and who has our best interest in
mind, 'cause I'll tell you, you think about the world in
economic terms. No one has your best interests
in mind. No one.
Anybody. Outside of your personal
connection and your entwined well-being, nobody has your best
interest in mind. Not the government, not the
corporations, not your mayor, not nobody.
It is you and your family and the advent of robots.
One of the biggest problems I see is that, sure, they might
make work easier. They might make art in a faster
way, they might do a lot of things.
But inevitably, inevitably, and almost by necessity, their
primary function is to separate us from other humans.
That's the big thing. Anything that you'd get a robot
involved with almost separates you from a personal connection
with another person and the powers that be, be they you
know, the government or whatever, or principalities and
powers. They are the most powerful when
we are separated from the the humans around us that we
actually share our interests with.
And so Robot caretakers is a big one.
And and honestly, the list goes on.
But, you know, it's kind of silly, it's kind of goofy to say
that robots are one of the, you know, biggest threats to our
humanity. Because when I say that, you're
thinking, oh, they're not going to take our jobs.
All the music they make is bad. All they can't write a poem as
good as a human, you know, those types of things.
And it's very intentional that those are the conversations
going on in the mainstream media.
You know, you'll see in CNN, Fox News, any news outlet, oh, the
robots are taking your jobs. Experts are worried that the
labor market might be affected by blah, blah, blah, blah, all
economic terms. You will never, ever see a
mainstream legacy news outlet have a thoughtful analysis of
how these robots that are so economically advantageous, but
how they are literally wedging themselves in between humans who
can earnestly and authentically care for one another.
And that's in every realm. I mean, don't even get me
started on the the flirting with our spouses part or the
enslaving our children part. That's all true in different
ways, but on its very face, the the the robots are coming.
They're not not coming. They are.
They will be in all of our lives very soon.
And you know, I get a lot of kind of eye rolls talking about
how soon this is going to happen.
But I'm telling you, I've been doing this for 12 years and
almost everything we predicted has come true.
And it's not because we're prophetic.
It is because we spend all day, every day paying attention to
what the the elites are communicating to us through the
mainstream media and other things.
And not only do we read 80 articles a week, but we spend
our time analyzing it. And this is only thanks to
people who support our show. So I don't want to say that like
we're prophets of some kind, but what I'm saying is they are
telling us outright the revelation of the method.
They are telling us to our faces that these robots are here
specifically to further separate us from other humans who are our
only hope if we're going to make it through this next phase of
civilization with anything resembling sanity.
And that goes for spirituality, too, They there's a big movement
in case you haven't heard, folks.
Tune into the Flippy update. In case you haven't heard, there
is a huge spiritual movement as it relates to robots.
Just I'm going to just rattle off some things, but just know
that there's deeper analysis and there's more than what I'm going
to rattle off, which is in the East, they are replacing
Buddhist priests with robots. They are replacing funeral
workers with robots. In the West, we the pastors,
sort of tongue in cheek, but some of them not so tongue in
cheek, are relying on AI. Maybe not to fully write their
sermon, although there are some who are doing that.
But to study and search the Bible, even in the most basic
sense, you have convenient robots coming in between your
pastor and the pages of his paper Bible.
You know the not to mention the Church of AI, not to mention the
idea of a super intelligence governing our countries, which
is happening right now. Go look at Estonia and the
Netherlands. Both have voted many times to
have their country led by AI. And so it's it's not just that
robots are taking your jobs, but they are surreptitiously,
slowly, but steadily driving a wedge between humans and other
humans. A wedge between humans and a
spiritual life, At least, you know, one that we had previously
consider authentic. And Dr. Humans, we choose to be
our leaders. All of these things in some
aspect are being affected not just by the robots themselves,
but by the propaganda, the messaging about robots.
That's the that's kind of the the the secret to the Flippy
update. We're not just telling you about
a new robot that exists, but it's dissecting the
communication, the philosophy, the propaganda and the public
perception of robots that will ultimately lead to a very
unhealthy humanity. So there's a fun rant for you.
What you're saying is is important and you're
streamlining, like from listening to your podcast, like,
I understand. Like when you're saying, hey,
this is just a real quick brief overview of, you know, how these
bigger puzzle pieces connect together.
But we could. Literally.
Spend every hour of the day for the next two weeks breaking down
one of those rabbit trails, proving that the elites are
signalling to us, the people, what their plans are.
Literally, when people are looking at their phone and they
have, I don't know, five hours of screen time a day.
And let's say they're in debt, or let's say they're in a bad
relationship or like we can just see how even the personal usage
of technology and people negating the fact that there's.
I don't know a healthier way to live right in front of their
faces like on an individual basis, like not even like we're
not even talking big picture at this point from what I'm
breaking down and it's more like, but that bleeds out and
what you guys are doing or showing these big overarching
ideas that just like, yeah this is going down and I love that.
You know you followed up with one of the most significant
things you know from my question like hey, what should really we
be looking out for? How is this fitting together?
You using technology because? That's one thing that separates
us from past generations. It's technology.
Everything that is the same under the everything else is the
same under the sun. You get angry, you get happy,
you work hard, you don't make enough.
You made too much now, right? All the issues are there, but
now technology. That's why we're such a peculiar
generation. And I talk about that a lot
being a millennial, you know, majority of millennials
listening to the podcast. We're growing up.
As soon as we start getting a couple of little hairs on our
chinny chin chin, there comes the the Nextel phones.
If you remember Basil used to be able to like chirp your friends
and it was like a walkie-talkie phone.
So like, you'd be careful what you chirp somebody because they
could be sitting around like, you know a bunch of parents.
It's like, Oh well hey, going to get us in trouble.
But and then the iPhone, you know what is like 2007 or 2008,
the the first iPhone comes out and and we just see now like I.
Live outside of Philadelphia, PA Basel.
If I go to the beach or if I go, like, on a vacation, like, you
will literally see groups of people walking around staring at
their phone. They're probably looking at a
picture of the sunset on their phone while the sun is setting
in Atlantic City, NJ or Wildwood or wherever they are and it's
just like, OK. So yeah, that's just my way of
scratching the surface and just of nodding and applaud to like
what you and guns do. On Canary Cry news talk because
it is important and there's definitely needs to be sound
minds in the airwaves. You know, I said this with
Michael Basham recently on Fringe radio.
We were doing a live we had this like cool little collaboration
going. And I'm saying we need more
sound minds, people who are able to take their thought captives
into the obedience of Christ and help us make sense of what's
going on here. But I'm rambling now too much.
Let me ask you another question. Right.
Well, you know, if I could just real quick mention, I mean you
you pointed it out perfectly and you know, it's it took me about
a 20 minutes of rambling about two separate topics to get to
what you said, which is, you know, for people who are either
waking up to this or they're in this or whatever, they're paying
attention is what it is. They're paying attention.
The The biggest piece of advice that I could give to any of them
is to once in a while let go of the big, overarching, big scary
picture and personalize it, because it really does.
What is the use of learning about all the things we're going
to learn about if we can't focus it on our own lives?
So no matter what you're looking into, whether it's technology,
whether it's end times, prophecy, wherever, it's
whatever, these are very stimulating things to learn
about and to talk about, but they're useless unless you are
making a practice on a daily basis of bringing that down to
the individual level and living in a way that is consistent with
the grand picture that you're talking about.
And that's the hardest part. It's very easy to.
Intellectualize and to let it take over your life and you find
yourself being scared. You find yourself unhappy.
You you find yourself short with people who you love.
You find yourself all all these kind of nasty little, you know,
death of 1000 cuts in somebody's life.
It's not one big thing, but it's all these little pieces of
negativity. And if we're letting our sort of
intellectual exploration of these things, you know, degrade
our personal independent experience of life, looking out
your eyeballs around your family and your personal journey with
Jesus, then there's no point. You're actually hurting yourself
more than anything. And one last comment, you
mentioned technology and sort of in the, you know, in the the
idea of, you know, we can scream about technology all we want.
But you know, bringing this down to a personal level, how do we
live truly with our, with our, you know, aligning with what we
think about. And for those who are watching
the video or for those who have watched me in a video anytime in
the last three years, you'll see that I have a very unattractive
piece of headgear on and and what it is, in case somebody was
wondering, I'm sure somebody was it's AVR helmet.
I am currently in VR and on the outside of VR of the helmet I
have two gigantic googly eyes. Now the reason for this has a
couple different twists and turns.
People think when they first. I mean bro, people get furious
at me about wearing this. I mean, I've had wonderful
little old church ladies question my salvation because I
wear this VR headset on video and you know, I've heard they're
all I'm I'm sorry if anybody has given me.
If you're listening and you've given me this criticism, I'm
sorry for what I'm about to say. But it's very unoriginal.
What it really is, is they are uncomfortable with what they're
seeing. And what they're seeing is
someone who is giving the appearance of having given
themselves over to sort of the technocracy, to the
technocratic, you know, utopian vision of of the elites.
And that's on purpose. It started in 2012.
In 2012, we started podcasting, and for a couple different
reasons, you know, I chose a name that is not my legal name.
Believe it or not folks, Basil is not my birth name and it was
because 2012 and it's hard for people to go back to 2012.
Let me tell you about 20/12/2012.
Nobody knew that they were being spied on on the Internet.
It seems so obvious now, and it's a daily conversation on
every piece of media about how everything you do on the
Internet is catalogued into creating some sort of digital
clone of you. And then it's used against your
best interest to make you a more profitable and economically
viable legal entity within our economic system.
We all know that now. But in 2012, when you would tell
somebody like, hey, you know, Facebook is looking at all your
messages or Facebook, I mean, that's one thing nobody would
believe. Try to tell them Facebook is
actually tracking every single click that you do on the
Internet. Nothing.
You do a secret and that's when people.
It seems so quaint now, but that's when people would call
you a conspiracy theorist and roll their eyes and be like, oh,
that's Basil, you know, he's one of those tinfoil Hatters.
That's what 2012 was like. And so I personally, being
somebody who is a little bit too wrapped up in the paranoia of
Internet privacy, chose to, you know, try my best to stay sort
of anonymous or pseudo anonymous or whatever on the Internet.
And that's just, that's in my entire, that's in my private
life even, you know. And so that worked all the way
up until 2012 when we were sort of required by the market to
start video streaming our podcast.
And so we needed a solution for me to be on video, and I was
uncomfortable with my face being out there for anybody to.
And again, 2020. I'm saying like no.
People will be able to copy your face and then through deepfake
technology they'll be able to recreate you and blah blah blah.
And even in 2020 that was like the 2012 version of Facebook is
spying on you. People are like, yeah, OK, what
a like, maybe someday they can do that, you know?
Time has moved very fast and so is technology, so it's hard to
remember a time before all these things were so prevalent.
And so my solution to being on video as an attempted anonymous
or pseudo anonymous podcaster was to put on AVR headset to
cover the top half of my face. People found that very off
putting because it's just a black box on my head.
So I said hey, OK, I'll do an art project and it really became
an art project. They say I'm going to put some
googly eyes on the front. There you go, you can see my
eyes. And for me sort of personally,
I'm like wow, this is a brilliant art project.
I'm making a commentary about the technocratic future and how,
you know we're all gonna be in VR and digital someday, and the
only eyes that people can look into is our manufactured eyes on
the outside of the screen, attached to our face.
Oh, I had such artsy fartsy like thoughts about it, and I still
do. I think you.
Know. Well, let me ask you this, What
are you looking at right now? Like what's going on in Basil's
world? Because, like, I'm losing the
staring contest with you. Like every time I drive.
Always. But what do you see?
And that's perfect. That brings me to the the sort
of point of all this which is so within my VR headset.
Here I am right now looking over about 100 miles of a beautiful
mountain range. There's literally birds flying
in the sky. I'm on some sort of mountaintop
Chateau. There are, you know, very, very
hip looking architecture and overlaid over that.
I have one gigantic screen in front of me, which is where I
have the video I'm looking at up top.
I have another gigantic screen which I have the Millennial
Mustard Seed Apple podcast pulled up there.
I've got my soundboard over here.
I've got my recording software down on the left.
I usually have my live streaming chats over here, so I have the
equivalent of 123-4567 eight computer monitors of any size
that I would like to choose. And behind that is a majestic
mountain range and birds flying. And I had to turn off the
butterflies because the butterflies would actually get
in the way of my podcasting. And so I was to my knowledge or
the knowledge of anybody else that I've asked, and I have
asked many, you know, fairly high level professionals.
I am the 1st and most prolific person to be creating podcasts
in the metaverse. I was doing the math today
actually. I have about somewhere close to
2000 hours of content that I've created in this space.
And again, it goes back to this idea that when someone looks at
me wearing this get up, it looks ridiculous.
But what they really are feeling is sometimes they feel anger.
Sometimes they'll feel that I'm just some sort of clown and
they, you know, won't respect what I say.
Sometimes, you know, they'll they, they think it's a joke and
it'll go away. And they TuneIn next episode and
it's still there. You know this.
It's been very interesting. Most of the time it garners
disrespect because people see, I think, what they fear the most
when it comes to technology and that it would be so obvious.
You know, it's one thing to have a phone and be on your phone all
day. It's kind of a personal thing.
You know, maybe somebody would see you on your phone, but they
don't know what you're doing on your phone.
They don't know how long you spend.
Maybe they'll see you for 60 seconds on your phone and you
know it. It's sort of a very private
thing, but to create 2000 hours of content on the Internet where
people are forced to reckon with what they know is coming in the
near future, Garner's some very interesting sort of responses
and a lot of hate mail, honestly.
And that's fine. But anyway, so there's just.
I'm so sorry I'm doing so much rambling, but there is.
Another commentary on sort of our technology conversation and
to answer the question for somebody watching this video
wondering what's on my head. It's it's epic, to be honest
with you. And it's it's iconic now.
And really, it does signal in so many ways, Basil, that this is
the world that people are like, not only, like, voting for and
lining up and signing up for oh. Yeah, but I but I heard it once
said also that. If there's something that you
despise in somebody else, it's probably because you struggle
with that same thing yourself. So for the people out there, and
and I'm not trying to drum up, you know, disrespect or
discredit to their, you know, emotional state on how they feel
about seeing the googly eyes just, you know, reaching through
the screen at them. But I mean, really the idea is
what you're doing is so many layers deep and intentional that
most it goes over most people's heads.
And they're just identifying with like a surface level thing
and just, oh, let me express anger or dislike because what's
what's the first thing I can find about this person that is
not normal And then peg them for, for that reason to try to
drum up anger. It's it's really foolish.
We got to grow up a little bit and and really look at the
layers, the depth of why, you know, really sitting like I'm
sitting down with you now. I've never really even thought
about it like that much. I've heard you talk about, you
know, over the years, on and off a little bit.
About the the VR headset, But to sit down and actually like hear
somebody's hard out, you know, like like hey, what's really
going on here? What does this mean for you?
What are you signaling? That's the right way to go about
this, you guys. And that's why I podcast that's,
you know, one of the reasons why is like I'm not alone, like how
can we connect, How can we go through this information
together? And if it's really difficult,
it's going to require more than one person thinking it over.
You know the Bible. Like for all of the people out
there that are Christians, hopefully you're reading your
Bible. I know like on the mustard seed,
like we get new people coming in obviously, right.
And I'm always encouraging that, encouraging people read the
Bible for yourself. You got to study to show
yourself well approved. But ultimately, in a nutshell,
this is a body thing. There's not one man really
heading the show here. Like what I feel really like big
on Basil is. Capturing what people were doing
right and sharing that. You know, like, I've I've tried
to base the The mustard seed on interviewing other people and
yeah, guess what? People I disagree with.
People that are way over here, way over there, but what are
they doing right? Like, isn't the rest of the
world writing books about what we're doing wrong?
You know, God obviously didn't write a book about what David
did wrong. He mentioned it.
But. You know, God wrote a lot about
David being after his own art. And so when we're peering into
the ministries that are going on today with a lot of judgement
going on, and I know I've spoken very big and boldly, I've been
noted for, you know, saying some of the stuff that most people
don't really want to say, like things that need to be said.
But I always kind of like back up and like soften my heart on
it and be like, well, God, how, how do we connect with this
person or reach this person, right?
But the idea. Basil and you guys do this in so
many ways. It's just like reminds me of
Mike Heiser, like going into like the Alien Conferences.
And those people, they're actually like being more, I
don't know, receptive to the message than the congregations
themselves. So you guys are in this
podcasting world and you're finding people that may have
never been able to stumble upon that news, they may have never
heard the perspective like that. You guys bring the table, unless
they had arrived right at you and Gonz's door.
And for what you guys are doing and that's why it's so important
and that's why I'm just humbled, man.
Like I want to fanboy for a second with you because with for
me, you know like I have this honor and respect for you guys,
for you and Gonz just because of the foundation that you guys
have laid. You know, I I literally look at
what's going on in the world. Where the information like
where's healthy information? Where can you really dip and
dive into and figure out how to plug some of this stuff
together. None of us are saying we have
all the answers. None of us are saying, oh come
follow me, I have it all figured out.
It goes right back to the Berean mentality.
Studying through the word daily with the readiness of mind,
accepting that which is true. Not being ignorant to the
devil's devices, being aware of what's going on around us.
So for what you guys are doing, I'm like man, even if I lived up
to like 110th. Of influence that that you and
Gonz have created. Like I'm content and I I often
say on the podcast one more person.
I was one person for you guys, dude, I was just one.
You guys planted the seed as the seed was becoming the little
seed. It's like you guys were watering
it and planting it and. You know, helping me with all
the negative voices in the world and all the people you, you
know, pretty much saying, hey man, you're you're a nobody.
You're not going to make it. You're just some factory worker
outside of Philadelphia. What do you got going for?
You had a 9th grade education, but hearing you guys talk and I
think it was one of the interviews with LA Marzulli back
in the day, Just your boldness. But then the humor too, like
getting the release and being able to laugh and then being
like, you know what? It's OK.
Like this isn't some like, bite your nails.
You have to hide because. Every pastor in America is going
to, you know, they're going to come burn a cross in your front
yard because he talked about the Nephilim or something.
Like, seriously, you know, right.
But some people, like, they do have that where they don't know
how to gauge these topics. It's in the Bible.
But the men of God that are supposed to be looking after
them won't cover their sleep paralysis.
They won't talk about the weird stuff that they're personally
dealing with and then multiply that by the acceleration of
crazy things happening since I don't know.
My whole life, but especially in the last five years.
And you get a lot of emotionally distraught people.
So what you guys have done for me, I couldn't thank you enough.
And I know there's a lot of people that would agree with
that. And I don't say that to puff you
guys up. I say that in the humility of
man, We don't understand the ripple effect all the time, but
God's good and he's causing growth.
Clearly for you guys, the growth has been.
Phenomenal, really. Just blazing a trail and
charting on uncharted areas of anything else like that ever
been done before. So I'm not going to get off the
like the fanboy tip here and just try to get back into
interview mode, but that's that's great.
I mean, I really appreciate that.
I mean, I'll tell you even from first of all, like honestly, I
am nothing but humbled to hear that it's, it's really
incredibly humbling because you know, it's just like anything
else. We only have our perspective.
And when you reach, when you start reaching a certain amount
of people, it actually starts to, it becomes very difficult to
nail down the idea in your mind and in your soul that really
anybody is listening. I mean, it's, you know, we we
try our best. Good point.
Yeah, we we try our best not to pay attention to like numbers
and how many downloads we get and how many viewers on this
platform or this platform and add them all together.
Let's see, you know, A, because it's a lot of energy that we
could use for something else. B.
You know, we learned long ago that whether there's a lot of
people or a little people doesn't actually change what
we're doing or what we want to do.
And you know, there's sort of this also unhealthy technology
thing where like it's just numbers, You know, it's just
numbers on a screen and yeah, a big number good, little number
bad. And you forget that, you know,
each one of those numbers is an actual human person who is
physically listening to the words that I say.
It's sort of mind blowing. It's it's almost too much to
really think about. And so we so we kind of avoid
thinking about it as much as we can.
But moments like this, and meeting guys like you who are
stepping out and taking action, and of course the people who
produce our show are a big you know that that makes them very
real to us as well. But it's it's really a nice
refresher to remember that I'm not just a weirdo sitting in my
Home Office with AVR headset screaming into the void about
robots and you know, red heifers and stuff like this that you
know it it's very it's it's very interesting because doing
Internet work or you know creating stuff on the Internet,
on one hand you're like wow, this is amazing.
I can reach a lot of people but at the end of the day you're
just sitting in your room talking out loud to yourself and
it's it's kind of has a strange juxtaposition.
Just real quick just to let you know I got a little pop up here.
It said an error occurred Media recorder error please contact
support. I can refresh now but down in
this tab it says keep this tab open.
Stay here until your recording is done uploading so your host
gets the full file and it has a progress bar that's at about
38%, so I don't know if you if you're recording on your side.
I see a 99% upload continuous upload of your high quality
recording on Riverside. So yeah, it looks like there is
some sort of okay. So you're probably still
capturing my stuff. Yeah, Okay.
Yeah. Well, yeah, You know what,
again, it's just another reason why I feel like I'm, you know,
the most blessed human alive right now.
Because, you know, I probably wouldn't have it other way.
I don't think my brain and my personality could handle it if
at every moment, you know, I had a running tally of how many
people were listening to my voice at any one moment.
But it really is rewarding to get and sit and talk to people
like you who have listened. I mean, I one of my podcasts
that is currently on hiatus right now, it's called The Joy
Spear Sea Theory. And actually Michael Basham I
think was the last guest I had on that show where I just wanted
to talk to people. It was almost like my way of
making the listeners real to me, where, you know, I would have
listeners on a show, I would talk to them for a couple hours,
learn their story. They'd tell me about how, you
know, they had a supernatural experience or how, you know,
really just like the most incredible life stories.
That's humbling already, just to hear what people have gone
through to stay alive, honestly. You're not kidding.
Yeah, and of course that podcast fell victim to the 50 episodes
slump. But I always tell myself that
I'll pick it back up again one of these days.
Well, let me let me say something real quick so I don't
lose it. That I think is going to be
helpful for someone else out there listening.
And it'll also be helpful for me just to say this, but you were
talking about, you know, kind of like.
If you're reaching all these people, but like, you know
you're sitting in this chair and like, you don't really like, see
that and and when you were saying that, dude, I was just
thinking like the Apostle Paul is like writing a letter in
prison and he's got like contact with like, you know Timothy,
Like there's like nobody else around.
But like little did he know that it would actually go out and
affect people. Like people all around the world
would read that and weep and just be like and learn and.
And not not doing a comparison side by side, I mean and argue
about it. But the The thing is, is it's
like the significance we don't always see in the moment.
And I just wanted to say like I I didn't want to lose that.
For some reason, it seemed more grandiose to my I'm at in my
head than it probably did when it came out loud.
But I I mean, it's again, this is something that I'm that I'm
constantly sort of having to deal with.
I mean, yeah, when it comes to mind, mostly I just ignore it
because it's a lot to think about.
But yeah, no, that's, I mean I think in that goes with that
goes for everybody doing good work.
There's a lot of people doing not so great work, but there's
also people doing good work. And you know, the free market
will do what it's going to do. But it is another, it is sort of
another practical part of reality that has just an an
important spiritual sort of analog of it, You know, because
in a sense all of us as spirits doing spiritual stuff here in
whatever realm this is we call Earth, whether no matter what
shape it is, you know, we are spiritual beings and we're all
broadcasting. We're all broadcasting all the
time. And even in in the mean space we
have no idea who we're affecting and who.
And I mean that's kind of the just as a sort of tongue in
cheek example, you know, you get to be my age and you get pretty
pretty solidly into your 30s. And then like meeting somebody
you went to high school with again and you've like forgotten
their name and you start talking about high school and they tell
you like things that they never could have told you back then,
like, oh, I admired you. Or oh, I hated you.
And all these types of things. You're like, Oh my gosh, I had
no idea any of that was going on.
You know, it's just sort of an example of how we're all
spiritual beings broadcasting spiritually.
No matter where we are, we have no idea what the result of that
can be. I've always kind of wanted to
ask you, like, have you had a supernatural experience?
Like what? Like, what is one of those
things for you that was like, whether dream or vision or seen
something or whatever, do you have one you can share with us?
Oh yeah, yeah, a lot. Oh, a lot.
OK. I mean, my goodness.
Yeah. So I grew up in the charismatic
tradition. So, you know, I had the full
experience. I mean, miracles and all all the
way down to kind of the stuff that people don't understand,
whether it's the speaking in tongues or the shaking or
whatever, the falling out, you know, that was all a big part of
it. I also had what I would
described as hauntings as a kid. Like full, full, on bed, shaking
things flying across the room. Hauntings when I was a kid.
Shadow, I mean, even up until college.
Shadow beings, you know, at the foot of my bed, taking naps,
sleep paralysis entities, whispering and whispering in my
ear. You know, all this kind of stuff
and all of this needed to be handled spiritually at at any of
the, you know, at any moment when when the time arose.
And of course, you know the the Lord never failed to intervene
or never failed to teach me my own spiritual authority, things
like that, so I could, I could go on forever.
But one thing then actually I have not, I don't think I've
ever told on air. So I'll choose that one.
If, you know, I've talked about a lot of that stuff in various
podcasts and, you know, talked at conferences and things like
that. But I don't think I've ever told
this one, so I'll do this one. It's a little bit it's it's very
valuable to me. So I was at College in a town I
didn't grow up in. I was in the big city.
Is that a Christian college? So of course I was in a
Christian community and you know, had to had to go to Chapel
for school credit. And you know, I was very much in
in in it, but I was having a hard time really finding a
church body that that was doing it for me.
I don't know, it was just a weird part of the country of the
the normal thing wasn't working. So I picked a church that was
about two hours away and I drove in just a totally unnecessarily
long trip and traffic and all these things to to go to.
I think it was like a Wednesday service or something like that.
But you know, and it really was, it really was a big thing.
Like, I'm a college kid, I don't have a lot of money.
I got kind of a junkie car, doesn't have air conditioning, a
long drive, this whole thing. But it was just kind of one of
those times in college where you just kind of get on the road and
you just do it because you want to go experience something else.
And I came to this church and it was pretty similar, pretty
similar to really any Pentecostal or charismatic
church at the time. And I recognized all the songs
and I even, I think I may have even recognized one of the
speakers and whatever, but I'm there alone.
And it goes into a worship service at the end of the
service. And if anybody out there knows,
if you're from the Charismatic or Pentecostal type places, I
mean, yeah, you'll get your sermon, yeah, you'll get your
worship. But then like the weird stuff
starts happening and then the flags come out and the
zambourines and it really gets fired up.
And so it was in the moment where it was really fired up and
I was having a having a good time.
It was really refreshing because I found it hard to find a church
that kind of reminded me of how I was raised.
And suddenly the guy came out and he starts petitioning the
Lord for miracles, as as happens in these types of things.
And you know, he's doing it, he's sweating, he's doing, he's
telling the telling the body what to do.
And he starts walking us through, says, OK, put your
finger on your body wherever you need a miracle, put your finger
right there and we're going to go for it.
And I had been plagued by a severe dental anomaly.
I mean damage. I had some dental damage that
had had attempted to be fixed by dentists, which just made it
worse. And it was just it was really
bad at the time. And so I, at the behest of the
guy leading the meeting, I stuck my finger up into my mouth, into
the back of my teeth, and I put my finger up in this hole,
basically in my teeth. And I'm just close my eyes,
praying, praying to the Lord, saying, you know, this is really
this. I mean, this needs a miracle.
Because it's not. I can't do it.
I'm broke. The dentist has done a poor job.
Like, Lord you, this is your thing now.
And I have felt a there's a really intense light headedness,
which look, you're in a charismatic panisso servers,
you're going to get light headed at some point.
But I get really light headed, a little woozy and then I feel
just of a searing heat in my mouth.
And as soon as I register the searing heat, it's like in my
ears and in my mouth exploded with like, Pop Rocks.
It was like something somebody had jammed a packet of Pop Rocks
up into my into my teeth in the back of my mouth.
And it shocked me. I'm kind of like, whoa, whoa,
whoa. I pull my finger out and I start
feeling that place with my tongue where once there was two
very damaged teeth and I'm poking it with my tongue like
this. And one of the two teeth that
were severely damaged was completely, 100% reconstructed
to its original, to its original form.
And nothing like that had ever, ever happened to me.
I mean, I'd heard about it. Maybe I was in a service where
something happened. But you know you're you build
your faith and you know, but but it's different than actually
having it happen to you. And by this time I had spent 25
years or so in the well maybe not maybe 20 years or so in in
the in the church. And I almost didn't believe it.
I just like I started questioning my own reality like
wait wait OK was that tooth actually really screwed up?
Was that was that re? What?
What what? What did I imagine that, you
know, I was going through this very astounded sort of, I mean
truly astounded sort of reality shaking experience where out of
nowhere, just a perfectly reconstructed tooth was now in
my mouth. Are you still there?
Yeah, OK. Your video went out.
So yeah, it had. It was just, I was just
confused, honestly, more than anything.
And what was even a little bit more confusing was that the
other tooth that was busted was still busted.
Like didn't get healed. It was just the one.
You're only getting 1, Basil. Yeah.
I mean, it was, it was really at the time, a very, very serious
sort of spiritual mystery that I was, that I was living like,
wow, the Lord. I mean, that is full
manifestation of healing, reconstructive, miracle in my
mouth. I cannot believe it.
I had the dental records to show it, but only one of them.
What about the other one? What's going on?
Lord and I, you know, in that same service, I'm like, Oh my
gosh, I got there like, OK, that one worked.
All right, let's go for the next one.
One. More.
One more. Let's go.
One more Again, Lord, let's go. I stick my finger up in there
and I'm. I'm going to petition him.
Really laying into it this time. Just really.
Here we go. My faith is built.
This can happen. It happened once.
It can happen again. It didn't happen.
I walked out of that service with one fully heeled,
reconstructed, miraculous tooth. Full bone.
You know, it's not like it was filled with gold or whatever,
but the other tooth was still crummy and that just really, it
was simultaneously the most incredible connection with the
miraculous that I had personally ever witnessed.
I mean, I've been around miracles, other miracles that
happened to me, but like a full reconstruction of your own body
right in front of your face and you can feel it and it changes
your life. Honestly, just even having that
one tooth fixed, like, changed my life to A to a degree, not
just spiritually but physically, like I could actually chew with
it and you know, an instant upgrade in in sort of quality of
life. But the other one was still
busted. And, you know, I think I spent,
I think I went back to that church, you know, at least a
half a dozen times to try to get this, this other tooth healed.
And I talked, I think I went up, I talked to the pastor, I was
talking to the team, the prayer team, whatever.
And I was telling the story. And everybody's faith was
building. And they were all also kind of
confused about why the second tooth and the second tooth never
miraculously got healed. But it did.
This experience not only built my faith, not only became an
incredible story to tell and a testimony not only all those
things, but it also made it cheaper to go to the dentist to
get the one tooth fixed by a dentist.
And so it's this, like a lot of things I find in my life.
It's this hilarious. I mean, we all know God's got a
sense of humor and my goodness. He created it.
He's really funny, man. He is hilarious because it was
this simultaneous experience where I mean, I the the touch of
the Lord created a creative miracle, created the tooth back
in my mouth, but not the other one.
So I was, I was in this funny place where I was like
Incredible Miracle, go to the dentist, Incredible Miracle get
the dentist to do the job, that he's just a guy who went to
school and it makes his living just poking people's teeth,
scaring kids, creeping people out.
But he's a dentist, and if you need a dentist, he's a guy who
can do it for you. So I now have right next to each
other and I think it's just an illustration that the Lord has
given me that is still a mystery to me.
I'm not gonna say I have this figured out, but like, it is a
lovely touch point that I have in my mouth at any time where
the the the conflict between the Lord bending reality for our
benefit and just doing what needs to be done.
Just going to the dentist and these two teeth sit right next
to each other. The one the Lord healed, full
natural tooth strong. Beautiful.
The one next to it, I had to get a root canal.
It's a crown, you know. It's a fake tooth, but it does
the job, you know. And they're just with they.
They're with me forever. And it just constantly confounds
me whenever I think I sort of understand what the Lord wants
me to do or what the Lord's plan is.
It's really this beautiful mixture right in my life, right
in my mouth, of like the Lord's creative miracles bringing
heaven to earth and dealing with it the regular way, 'cause
sometimes the Lord will touch your life and change you
forever, and then the tooth right next door.
Sometimes you just gotta go to the dentist.
So I don't know if this will help anybody, but it really it
might be the most profound spiritual experience I've ever
had. Not just because of the miracle.
The miracle itself is incredible.
But this message that is in my mouth at all times, where
sometimes the Lord intervenes, sometimes you just go to the
dentist and you know that's life.
That's the mystery of being a supernatural person.
You know, you, you have the the most incredible, miraculous life
experiences. Your faith is growing as you
feel like some sort of spiritual superhero.
And then the next day, where are you?
Lord, what's going on? Do it again.
Do the thing again. God.
I mean, thanks for the first one, but can you do it again?
He's like, no, go to the dentist.
And then I did. So that's it's it's it's a
wonderful spiritual experience for me, both for what it was and
for what it wasn't. And I think about it all the
time. And I don't have any answers, no
true answers. I only have questions.
And that's just like a wonderful question that the Lord has
caused to sort of be constant in my life.
Oh jeez, I can see you're walking through, you know, the
doors and one of the angels says.
Lord, that Basil's here. And he's he's requesting to know
why one tooth was fixed and the other one was not.
He's like, oh, tell him he has more to learn.
He didn't figure it out yet. Yeah.
Send a message to Sarah Basil. That's young cherubin.
It's like this. This is epic, man.
That is no. Thank you so much for sharing
that because there's so much to that.
You know, it's kind of like in our weaknesses, Powers made best
known. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That was, that was deep, man. That was actually really good.
I I was literally trying not to blow up my microphone by.
I wanted to laugh so hard so many times there, 'cause I'm
like. That needs to be made into like
a little mini sniffet cartoon. Like young Basil goes out on an
adventure with the Lord, you know, he's like leaves, leaves
college, like a pilgrimage that asked me everything, money.
I didn't have time that I could have been used studying.
It was just like such a big deal.
And then just to have the resolution be literally a
lifelong non resolution, it's just like a a, the the
hilarious. I mean I I can't help but laugh
about it every time, but yeah, I mean that's how it is sometimes,
man. I mean it.
It almost truly is like a biblical type story, you know.
I wonder if there was ever a leopard that got like half
healed right down the middle. You know, it's like this side
looks great. This side over here, you know,
there literally is a story in the Bible about that.
I forgot what it is. Wow.
I What was it? It's like a partial healing, I
think, remember? Anyways, I don't know if we need
to track it down, but let's do the quick thing.
Partial healing. Yeah, let's look into that
Bible. Maybe.
I mean, look, it's taken me 15 years.
Mark records the partial healing of the blind man.
That's what it. Is.
What is that? Let me pull it up here, OK?
Just ask. ChatGPT bro.
What are you fucking me? Mark 8 starting at verse 22 They
came to Bethesda. They have Beth Sada here.
Yeah, I see Beth Sada too. In the KGB, this was this was
the the pool of Beth. There's yeah, OK Beth Sada, I'll
call it that. They came to Beth Sada and some
people brought a blind man and begged Jesus to touch him.
See, look at that. They carried the guy, brought
the blind man and begged Jesus to touch him.
He took the blind man by the hand and led him outside the
village. I see outside the village.
Got to travel a couple hours there when he had spit on the
man's eyes and put his hands on him.
Jesus asked, do you see anything?
He looked up and said, I see people, they look like trees.
Walking around. Once more.
Jesus put his hands on the man's eyes.
Then his eyes were opened, his sight restored, and he saw
everything clearly. 26 Jesus sent him home saying don't even
go into the village. I think other translations say
don't tell anybody. That guy got it.
That guy got the full thing. OK, now you've got me on a Now
you've got me on a tangent here. Let's see here.
Apparently partial healings is a big topic on the Internet.
Very interesting. For any more references, Second
Colossians. Oh, thorn in the flesh.
Yeah, of course. Paul's thorn in the flesh.
Well, yeah, the thorn in the flesh, that that's actually what
was like my first thought when you were telling me that it's
like because we're made perfect in our weak, like his power
works perfect in our weakness, right.
And it's like, and then, you know, thinking about the
leopards because maybe for some reason, if you would have got 2
teeth that night, maybe you would have forgot about it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it really is the fact
that the difference of exactly. I mean that's the thing.
Miraculous things happen to us. And a lot of people listening,
I'm sure, can identify with this.
I've had plenty of other miraculous things happen, but
the one that sticks out the most, the one that is a constant
mystery of which I'm seeking God to guide me through, is the one
tooth healed. The other one the dentist did,
yeah, because I certainly have experienced lot.
Like I said, lots of weird spirit, like, you know,
supernatural stuff. But that one is just like
overarching, just like hovers over me all the time.
And I like it now. I like not having the answer.
Someday I know I'll get the answer, but right now it's just
like well. Clearly it's intentional and and
laughter is as medicine. So I mean I I couldn't help
myself but laugh. There's going to be people
listening to this when whenever these says they're going to be
laughing they're going to be like that is just wild and and
God's the creator of humor and we think about relationship.
It's it's personal. It's how we relate to one
another. So like, when we have a
relationship with the Lord, that's a special thing with you
and him. And I just think that's
beautiful. Thank you so much for sharing
that with me, man. And yeah, no problem.
Thanks for the opportunity. Yeah, that was really cool.
Now I really want to have you back someday in the future.
I I it was great just to get you introduced to my audience.
Most of them probably already know who you are.
Anyway, this is just like awesome for me to.
Talk with you and just get this one out there.
You're my 100th episode, man. So just hit 3 digits.
And. And and Basil is the one.
So super creep. Yeah, dude did it.
You did it. Yeah.
But it only took me like, you know, almost five years to do
it. So yeah, no, I get it.
So weird. I mean, so weird.
Think about it. Canary Cry Radio is 12 years old
almost, and there's 165 episodes or something.
Like, yeah, we definitely know what it's like to not quite hit
every week. But you're doing great, man.
No, that's really cool. I mean, this has been a very
humbling experience. I'm so glad we found the time to
do it. I want a big shout out to, you
know, all your listeners, but especially if there's any Canary
Cry listeners out there, You know, send me a little message,
send send me a little e-mail or something at
canarycryradio@gmail.com and just say like, hey crazy on
Millennial Seed podcast, a Millennial Mustard Seed podcast.
And, you know, tell me how great I did and that'll make me feel
better, better about it. Tell me about your partial
healing story. So shout out to to everybody.
If you have never heard my work or the work that the Lord has so
graciously done in spite of me, go check it out.
You know there's a lot I me personally, I've got kind of a a
range of stuff out there. We've got Canary Cry radio,
Super Fringy interviews, high production quality type of
thing. That's always fun and this
confuses everybody. We've regretted naming this the
same thing every day. Canary Cry Radio is one thing.
Canary Cry News Talk is a totally different show.
That's an in depth media deconstruction and analysis with
a supernatural biblical worldview.
We think you'll like that. It's a little bit more loosey
goosey, a little bit more community oriented, but give it
a couple of tries. And if you really wanna dive
deep into the Basil verse, there's Ravel, which is a
podcast I did with Doctor Christopher Ryan Gates.
We're kind of along the same lines of, you know, your mission
statement here. We're just digging into the
weird stuff. I'd say it's it's probably a
little bit, it's less Fringy in the way that we talk about
Fringy here. It was my attempt to make, you
know, a Fringy Ish feeling to maybe some people who are a
little bit more normie, but some incredibly in depth fascinating
interviews and topics on that one, with a very talented PhD in
Biblical interpretation, Doctor Christopher.
And then if you want to go even real to the bottom of the barrel
of the Basil verse, go check out the Joy Spearcy Theory.
It's just an incredible time hearing people's life stories
and their interactions with the supernatural and the just the
crazy. You know what that show showed
me? I know nothing about what it's
like to be someone else. Other people are just having
such drastically different experiences than me.
So that's a very valuable one as well.
But no matter what you listen to, we got something for you.
We got something for you laying around.
Well, it was an honor to have this discussion with you, man.
And I just you feel like an old friend, you know, You just, I
feel like I've known you forever, just listening to you
all these years and now being able to talk with you.
I'm like, it's just too cool. So I love it, man.
Well, you guys go leave. Canary Cry news talk.
Canary Cry radio joy. Spearcy theories, all Basil's
recommendations. And I'll put some stuff in the
show notes so you guys can just go right down into the show
notes of this episode and give it a click and show them some
love if you don't know who they are.
These guys are the reason that I coughed up enough courage to
start broadcasting my own voice out there into the airwaves.
Guns should be on in the near future.
It's Mustard Seed episode 100. You guys, thank you for taking
this journey with me. And please share this one.
Yeah, I don't care how you share it.
Just share this episode coming to you from Southeastern
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Southeastern Pennsylvania, you say.
Yeah, we, I know we've got quite a bit of Canarians over on that
side of the country. Really.
Yeah. Yeah, a lot actually.
So many as. It's heavily populated here.
Yeah, that So we're, you know, just exploring the idea of doing
some sort of conference or camp out or you know some sort of
live thing. You know, I don't know what to
call it. We're not calling it anything
yet. And one of the locations that a
producer of the show has offered is some sort of, I don't even
know what to call it, some sort of wilderness camp?
And Camp of the Unknown God East.
Yeah, that might be a good way to do it.