Hello, folks, this is Princess, you are listening to the
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spot. I think that what we're doing
right now is a great benefit and virtue because it's an
end-around between this whole corrupt informational system
media system. We claim to believe in a God who
spoke the universe into existence and literally raised
himself from the dead. And yet, we're not going to
believe that anything else exists in the spirit realm, even
though his word tells us that they do, Their bodies weren't
permitted to go to sleep, like humans do, and there weren't
permitted to go to heaven. So, they wander the Earth.
You know, I've seen the eyes turned black to unknown tongues
being spoken. These Giants were love way up
with all the upgrades, the young man, which I have been the trees
away for one of these 12/4 to come walking down the back and
they would jump on Dragon back. Then people start to get
weapons, I start to get armor, they start to build cities they
still supported by their cities. Now God looks down and there's
violence everywhere. The battle this war that we are
at is not against each other. It's against these
principalities in these rulers in, these are cons in high
places. It's really worthwhile to read
the Bible yourself. Here is one of the primary
drivers of mind control because we have to take every thought
captive and resist fear. You're going to have a testimony
that is a Justice case against the kingdom of darkness.
Welcome back to the millennial Mustard Seed pod cast.
I'm your host rod and thank you for being here.
I am joined by Chris price from the camp from on podcast.
And this is a really cool inside conversation where we share some
personal stories, never talked about on.
Before we dive into some strange Bible verses and just commentary
on some of the strange American history like Hitler.
What really happened after World War 2?
It's really just an open conversation between me and
Chris where we're able to talk about difficult topics but also
shares some humor insights and comments which I know you're
going to find edifying and interesting the whole Camp perm
on crew which List of crisp rice, Tory, Peterson Mike's.
Tibbs dr. Judd, Burton, and Enoch, putress
all have been working as a team to release documentary, more to
come over time. But right now, the Bell Witch
Project can be found on Mike's Tibbs YouTube channel project
Revelation which I highly recommend that you guys go and
check out. For the month of May here, I'm
going to be very busy. I have quite a number of
interviews lined up dr. Laura Sanger is going to be
joining me on the 18th of this month for.
What's kind of turning into be an annual birthday interview,
which is awesome. If you guys have any questions
for her, check the show notes where you can find the email
address to reach me as well as a bunch of other awesome
information. And I'll also be a Ring on a few
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for the people who commented, asking what the song is, that
I've been playing at the end of each episode ever since Bo
Kennedy joined us from the bump podcast.
The band is called Bluegrass gospel, at heart, out of Mingo
County West Virginia. The writer of that particular
song is an old time. Preacher Ray Messer Junior, hope
I'm pronouncing is less than the incorrectly.
I really hope it blesses. You guys, I think that song is
Anointed and it is an honor to be able to share that here on
the podcast. But I'm not going to waste any
more time. I'm ready to jump into this
episode. You guys ready?
Let's go. Welcome back to the show
everybody. I have an awesome episode in
store for you guys. I have Chris Christ here from
camp for a month. First, it's an honor to have you
here. Yeah, right.
Absolutely man, I'm happy to be here, bro.
This is going to be a great conversation and I love what you
guys are doing over there at the camp Herman.
So, to be able to This opportunity to talk with you man
and just share thoughts and just kind of wing it.
Really? Because that's what I do here on
the show and it seems to work. I guess people keep listening.
I don't know. Ya know, I love it.
I love the the authenticity, and that's kind of like our thing to
do time. I try to be as authentic as
possible. I'm a goofball.
Like generally, I like to have fun, but have like deep
conversations at the same time. I think that's fun.
And so like What we're doing with Camp Ramon, that's us man.
Like weird. We're just trying to be genuine
and authentic, you know, we're not we're not playing
characters. You know, there's other podcasts
out there where they're playing characters on a show, you know,
and that may not be who they are in real life or behind the
scenes, but we are who we are, you know, do you want to give a
quick plug before we jump into this episode and just kind of
let people know where they can find you quick and everybody
that's on your team over there? Yes.
The podcast is Camp perm. On our website is can Perman.com
but we're on just about all of the, the major podcast
platforms. So, pretty much just about
wherever you listen, you can find camper mom podcast where a
crew of five primarily Tori and I on the podcast dr.
Judd Burton is our scholar and residents and so he he joins us
from time to time so we love whenever we get to have dr.
Judd on, because that man is just such a wealth of knowledge.
He talked About authenticity, he is himself.
That is dr. Judd, I've spent some time with
him in Merkel, Texas. And he's just he's just as
genuine and straight up as they come just such a great guy and
two other guys that I have to say that are genuine.
I haven't I haven't met them in person but just you know from
spending a good amount of time talking with them on the phone
and FaceTime in and give me a non zooms Mike's dibs and Enoch
putress Mike's basically. Our creative director, more or
less, what I've when I met Mike. I asked him to be a part of what
we're doing. He said, okay, well let's let's
collab on one project. See how we work together and
then if everyone's cool we'll talk about it and that project
was the documentary that we did on the Bell Witch Project that's
on. Mike's Tibbs YouTube channel
project Revelation and so that went well that was great and so
he agreed to come on. Bored and I said, Mike, I work
for you. Now you tell me what to do.
I mean, I technically started camper mon but from the
beginning I wanted it to be a collaborative effort.
And so I'm just like okay who is kind of you know good at what
they do or who can come alongside me and really helped
me out. I've never been the type of
person that likes to do stuff by myself, always like to have
teammates or whatever. So, Mike's tips agree to come on
and he said he's going to be what did he say?
His Belichick to my Brady you know, he's going to kind of, you
know, he's going to coach us and help you know, help kind of
guide and Lead as a kind of the creative director.
So that's such a blessing man to have him involved.
And then with Enoch putress, I honestly forget how we first
connected we might have connected through Jerry with the
The Stranger clock podcast. I think she some kind of way.
We might have met through her and Some of the stuff that she's
been doing and we just we started talking like a months
and months ago and he was telling me about his like
channel, the rundown of our reality and then I start
watching his videos and when I watch his videos I'm like, bro I
have so many questions so I'm hitting them up with questions
and I think our average conversation whenever we would
talk would be about an hour and a half to two hours whenever I
would call him and I'm just like, ah man, he's amazing.
And yes. So at some point I don't know.
I was just like do you want to come on board?
Like with his background with? He's basically as a professional
broadcasting background as far as being like behind the camera
you know editing and all that kind of stuff producing and
editing and writing. And so, you know, I was like,
hey, man, we'd love to have you join us and and he agreed to
come on board and so, yeah, he's our, he's our producer.
But what I love about this crew that we have is, Everybody's
willing to kind of do whatever to help make this, you know,
successful as far as wanting to contribute and kitchen, it's a
great group. Yeah, really is a great group
and I just enjoy listening to your show and talking with you
and with Enoch and Mike's Tibbs, you know did the trailer for the
Millennium mustard seed? That was like a big deal for me
because I'm like it was so well done and it was kind of like
reality. Like I'm watching this trailer
on On a screen now, you know, because it's right audio with
me. And and then Enoch just as much
as he has, sharpened to me and just open my eyes to things, I
haven't really thought about. And then he's actually like, no,
you're keeping up with me, I'm like, what what do you mean like
about this Gosset? Fetal position in the corner
over here? He's like, no, you're doing
fine. And I'm like, ah, so right?
He's awesome to just, yeah. You're you know, memory and
creativity and learning with and I've never gotten actually when
we did that. Episode Jerry put together with
William Ramsay. The end of last year's actually
the first time I seen Tori and she's just a sweetheart, you
know? Yeah, just tell.
She just has this gentleness to her and inquisitiveness and
she's just not afraid to say what she's thinking.
The whole crew. Amazing.
So it's my honor to have you here, bro.
Sears, not men. Yeah, no, I love it.
Now, it's going to say, kind of the best for last Tori.
She's fantastic man. And she is sweet.
She is kind, but she can. Be a firecracker to that's got
him. That's kind of a side that we
get to see behind the scenes. She has an eye for detail when
it comes to just like Graphics, she does the episode art that we
post. She kind of puts she puts that
together and she's designing merch right now.
She has a really Keen eye for detail with that kind of stuff.
Because, if it were me, bro, I'm just like, throw something
together. Be like, that looks good enough.
Yeah. Yeah and you can really see it.
Like I seen you did the drop with Cryptid soap and then
Kevlar. Joe's Coffee everybody just
willing to do whatever it takes to bring this community.
Together of like-minded, believers who are not afraid to
talk about strange things in the Bible.
Exactly. Yeah, I mean, for me, it's about
community and fellowship, you know what I'm saying?
Like that's, that's what's so important and one of the reasons
why we started is we Had to have a place for people in this kind
of Fringe Christian space to be able to have community.
And to be to feel comfortable enough to have these weird
conversations and be open enough to talk about experiences.
They had. And so we invite people to come
on to share experiences, I mean we've had we've had Tim on who's
in Australia, who is a Satanic ritual, abuse Survivor and he
reached out he wanted to tell his story.
And I believe there's power in our testimonies because the
enemy wants us to keep quiet. He wants to shut up and not
share, even just kind of do even the trauma and the weird stuff,
or even in the victories and the good stuff he wants us to just
shut up and be quiet. And so, yeah, we were open to
have people come on and tell their stories because it's about
a that person being able to share what's happened to them.
And there's, I There's some there's some healing that can
come there. It can be, it can be cathartic
and be sometimes when we share what we've been through it,
testifies to the goodness of God, because he's what he's
brought us through and whatever healing.
However, far we are on kind of our healing Journey.
It testifies to his his goodness and his love for us and you
never know who's going to hear that testimony.
It is going to be encouraged by it or what, the law, how the
Lord is going to speak to Through those testimonies, I
hear that even on The Mustard Seed over here, just because
sometimes taking the journey, you're reflecting about things
that happened past because all the time, I'm learning about
stuff where I'm like, oh it's that was sleep paralysis or that
was this night terror. We are the church.
So we're not afraid to talk about this and and the numbers
grow more people are stepping out there listening to shows
like this, and they're joining the communities like this.
And that's exciting for me because it feels more like Like
family, when you're with somebody where I can be like,
yo, Chris dealing with this or what are your thoughts on this
verse? And to not get shunned or right?
Treated like a regular like you live most of your life like that
and you're going to have some weird quirks at times where
you're like, you sure you still want to be my friend.
You know. Yeah, I love those types of
conversations, man. It's hard to have them these
days. It is about almost anything.
Yeah, politics religion. I mean, anything that, where
there might be like a Little bit of controversy or differing
opinions. People have been so conditioned
to us to get upset in the not want to listen.
Whereas like for us, I feel like because we're open-minded were
open to like, okay, this bible stuff.
It might be a little different than maybe if you grew up in
church. What you heard, you know, from
the pulpit. And we can get into this if you
want, but I'm I know why they don't talk about these things in
the church and unfortunately, it has it.
Primarily has to do with their bottom line.
It's a dollars and cents issue. Primarily as far as I'm
concerned. Yeah, sadly a lot of churches
have been They're kind of relegated to just being all
about business so to speak as opposed to being about the
father's business. And I think They might even have
good intentions. Yeah.
But being uncomfortable to talk about the real like, stuff from
scripture, that's just just weird, man, like genesis 6:4 and
the Nephilim and the sons of God.
And I mean, there's all kinds of kind of weird stuff that did a,
lot of pastors will stray away from and it's because one of the
reasons I'm not saying it's the only reason, but if they openly
Preach some of this stuff. Is are people going to leave?
Yes. That money that's going to walk
out the door and when when you've got an industry set up,
you're now worried about paying your bills and your staff paying
their bills and all that kind of stuff.
So then you kind of start worrying about money.
We have to have fear for the Lord and his word and the truth
that's in there. And no fear of, man.
And I think a lot of the times we are systematically
desensitized from the truth of the spirit realm and a lot of
the times. I've noticed people have trouble
believing Their Own Story, the things that they went through
because they're just trained to be like, nope, be Put that on
the back burner and go to work. Make sure you don't have less
than 40 this week. And actually, we need over time
because I want to go on a cruise on eat, right?
And it's like, we just get, like, kind of tossed into this
life where the generations before us.
And the church has, not really slowed down and showed us these
key things that I believe key things in the scripture, but our
feel like they're looking for people that are sick way.
She's easy to go with the flow, just easy to be led.
Lead. So they can get the money and
make a business but that's not what we're looking to do.
We are looking to put God first to go to the Bible and ask weird
questions, not being the Bible's, not going to disappear
if we ask anything about it. You guys, you don't have to be
like oh no you can't go there and read that verse if it's in
the Bible and it's weird. Chuck Missler used to say this
and I loved it. He's like if it's strange it's
important. I think Heiser hides are used to
say the visor to not mistaken. And, you know, one of the things
that I heard, or I think it was a, it was a post that he had
done from his Facebook page like a few years ago.
And it really blessed me because at the time, the church I was in
great church. I mean, the the preaching on
Sunday, the preaching and teaching was expository.
So verse 5 verse really good and when it when it would get to
some of the weirder stuff, he would, the pastor would Talk
about it. He wouldn't go like in-depth on
it, but he would give people a couple of points of view.
And then say like, yeah, go, if you want to study that deeper,
go and dig into that. So he didn't shy away from it,
which I thought was a good approach, but he didn't dig into
that stuff as much as I would have liked.
And even, you know, some, I tried talking about different
things like with the Divine Council worldview, and the
origin of like demons, and the nature of like angels and all
this kind of stuff and look, small Groups, but it's like it's
so new and different to a lot of people and the way that they've
been kind of programmed to like, think Mmm, it's hard for them to
like grasp a lot of it. And so I was frustrated in this
church because I'm like man I wanted like I want to go deeper
with this stuff but there's not a lot of people around me that
that I can do that with at that time.
That's why I love these online communities.
He's like, you have and like, we have another people have because
it provides that outlet for us to, like, have these
conversations and to go deeper. But Heiser he posted on Facebook
and I'm paraphrasing, but he basically was saying like, if
all you get out of your church congregation is fellowship,
that's enough, because you can get Good Bible teaching
elsewhere. Like there's so many resources
like with the naked Bible podcast with you know Heiser had
before he passed and the millennial Mustard Seed and and
other you know pastors that are putting out their sermons like
you can get you can get it, Chuck Missler stuff.
Yeah, but what you can't get from those is fellowship that
flesh-and-blood Community. Wow that Fellowship that we need
like we need to be And the presence of other men and other,
you know, couples and families to hug on, and to pray with, and
to just share our lives with. So I would encourage anyone
who's listening and they're like, yeah man.
I'm there's just my church doesn't talk about this stuff.
Well, if you have Fellowship, then you can get, you can get
the kind of the meat, you can get it elsewhere.
And so that really blessed me and I was like, okay, okay, so
now I'm from that moment, as I kind of like wrestled with that
and shoot on it, I've come to this place where I'm really
content now because I have I get that Fellowship.
I get to, to be in the same room with other believers to Worship
the Lord together, and yet the the word is good, but that
fellowship and worshipping together, man.
There's there's nothing like it, so that's Enough.
I needed to hear that if that helps one person Chris, if this
episode, you know, it gets down those people listen.
But if somebody actually turns back to the house of the Lord
just like David in the in the Psalms he was like I'm going to
the house of the Lord and I'm going to make a loud noise,
right? I'm going to go and I'm going to
shout and I'm gonna be, yes, I'm gonna write and just have that
fellowship and camaraderie in the Philadelphia, the brotherly
love if it is. It helps one person then then
it's worth all the prep, all the editing all you know just is
worth it. Yeah.
Can I can I share something else that I think is kind of relevant
to that? And I think it's important and
there's going to be other people.
They're listening and they're like, yeah I mean you don't you
don't know what happened to me at church.
I'm never stepping foot into a fellowship again and, you know,
there's a term kind of Christian, he's term called a
church hurt and I just want to share something that happened to
me in. I've still With it a little bit.
And then this happened like years and years ago, in my first
marriage, bro. One of the pastors at our church
was like, tried to hook up with my wife, like at the time and it
was a situation where she was weak in that moment.
Nothing like nothing physically happened, but just some like
inappropriate messages back and forth.
This guy was basically like a wolf in sheep's clothing.
He was like the marriage and family pastor at our church and
I remember being so hurt. They tried to keep the guy on
staff, they try to kind of like keep it a secret.
What? He had what he tried to do and
I'm like that's that's just that's not right.
You can't do that. You can't have someone who's
actively trying to hook up with the wives of members in your
church and then keep them on staff and the pastor at the
time. Like I had known this guy for a
long time, like he was in college when I was in high
school and I'd gotten I got saved in this church so I was
really hurt that he didn't like have my back.
He wanted to protect, you know, this pastor that he was kind of
grooming and raising up. And so like I was really hurt
because that situation ended up ending like my marriage, she
left. And we got divorced and I was I
was in a dark place for months and months after that.
And I didn't go to church for for a while and even when I did
started going to church again because I love the church bro,
Love the church, missed the church but I was when I went
back, I was so hurt that I just didn't try didn't trust pastors
like I'm like I still to this day won't cost, you know,
sometimes you call them like, you know, Pastor so and so I
call them by their first name. I'm like I don't even refer to
them as Pastor because I used to put these people up on like a
pedestal, you know, like they're special or different, or
whatever, so I'm still kind of working through some of it.
For people who've maybe experience like church hurt.
I just want to encourage those people like don't don't let that
keep you away from the church because another thing that the
enemy loves to do is to get us isolated because what is it?
What does the word say three stranded cord is not easily
broken, right? Like We Are Better Together.
We are stronger together us when we're by ourselves were
typically like week and just get beat up.
So I'll just I'll get off my soapbox about that.
I just wanted to wanted to share that but it's important that we
we fellowship and then we be a part of a community.
Those are actually really important because this is the
place for that. Vicki, Joy told me.
She was like, man, this is a place for people to be able to
come on here and just share what you're going through.
It's going to reach somebody else's, going to open somebody
else's eyes. It may be a word.
They need to hear. So, I just, and so malleable and
graceful in these Is where if that's what's going to help
somebody and you've already said, one thing that's helped me
on this episode's, we're making a difference.
It's doing what it's supposed to do and that's why there's no
shame in this game, man. And that's with no overhead,
with no co-pastor being like excuse me, you can't bring that
up on your record and it's like right?
But I will share real quick. One Church, you know scenario
that had hindered, my family significantly Menace is before
my time So just this will just go to show and this may help a
listener to there may be other people out there that are
dealing with something similar to this.
This is even before I was born. So my dad lost his mother when
he was seven years old and she was 100% Italian Roman Catholic.
You know, my dad's dad was a young German American went into
the military was like a non-denominational believer, who
was a farmer before service and they got married.
And my dad's mother Rose decided to pretty much become a
non-denominational. Nomination will believer.
She was an Italian princess Angelo Bruno, who was the only
mob boss of Philadelphia ever? Would come all the way out the
Phoenixville PA because he was really good friends with my
great-grandfather Giuseppe. So this is like this, like
powerful Italian family in the Philadelphia area, you know,
just because of who they knew and who they were friends with
and Rose is like adored by everybody, but she dies of brain
cancer, when my dad is 7 years old.
And they all rejected my dad and his two brothers and sister.
Because they were mutts. They weren't 100% Italian and
they weren't Roman Catholic. So my dad carried that his whole
life. My thing the church was, as I
went Easter Christmas. You know, family friends would
be like, really churched out and my mom would just forget it.
Why don't you go to youth group and stop doing graffiti at the
abandoned buildings down by the railroad tracks?
You know, like do something kid and I'm like, all right, I'll go
check it out. So, I remember even going to
church at times, but there was always just like stigma of their
so fake, be careful because my dad was So hurt here is like the
side of his family, he shares half of their blood and because
he was not 100% Italian and because he was not Roman
Catholic, he was literally rejected him and his brothers
and sister their whole lives that carried over into the way,
we were raised in. My mom really was the one who
was getting us to church on Easter and Christmas or
candlelight services for Christmas Eve and stuff like
that. That was a church hurt.
That was generational. I didn't want to start going to
church until I was well really consistently.
Until I gave my life to the Lord in a courtroom.
Right outside of Philadelphia in Norristown PA and I surrendered
my heart and just said, okay, let's do things your way because
at that time I would like gave up stuff and was trying to do,
what was right, but still just like, stepping on the rake and
it just boat right up in my face, every step I took and it
wasn't until I handed my heart in humility and obedience, and
just a Yuan broken. Contrary spirits of the Lord?
That that my life started to shift and I think God wants to.
He really wants us to know that he is the way, the truth and the
life not an organization are family members.
Aren't always going to be there for us.
There's going to be times where you are alone, not by choice or
by choice, but God is not going to leave.
Our sides, he's not going to reject us, he's not going to
cast this away. That's just a snippet of how
difficult it was for me to start like a fringe Christian podcast
because you know my Elder influence my father, he's
against all of it. So I go gung-ho and study the
Bible like a madman, give my life to the Lord, start living
more radically and just believing it and, and praying.
And really walking with the Lord and starting a podcast where I'm
diving into things about the Bible.
I mean, that's that's difficult. It's just not easy when you
don't have a support system. So what you're saying Chris is
right, we need to see Brothers dwell in together in unity.
Like we we can't be alone. We can't be alone on this
process. So I think this is like a really
good transition point. I'm going to ask you do you want
to share like one of your maybe top two or three weirdest Bible
verses? Yeah okay so I've got one here
and It's it has to do with baptism.
So if you do like a study on baptism, or if you go to a
church where they're talking about like, water baptism the
church that I used to go. To, once a quarter, we had
baptisms. The pastor would preach his, you
know, baptism sermon and I've heard a lot of baptism sermons.
I've done, you know, different Bible studies on baptism and
I've never heard anyone bring up this set of verses.
Verses in First Peter 3. Let me find a good good place to
start. Here, I'll start in First Peter
3:18 It says for Christ also suffered once for sins, the just
for the unjust in order that he could bring you to God being put
to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit in which
also he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison who were
formerly disobedient. When the patience of God, waited
in the days of Noah while an ark was being constructed in which a
few that is eight Souls were. Skewed through water and also
corresponding to this baptism. Now saves you not the removal of
dirt from the flesh but an appeal to God, for a good
conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
who is at the right hand of God having gone into heaven, with
angels and authorities and power, having been subjected to
him. so, these verses It's that that parallel of water baptism
to the flood and even talks about going to the prison, the
spirits in prison. Those are the arms of the Fallen
Watchers who descended upon Mount Hermon and mated with the
daughters of men, who had the Nephilim who were their
offspring, who are these, the Giants, the demigods of old,
That's not. I know why they don't talk about
this when they talk about baptism because they don't want
to get into this conversation about Nephilim in these demigods
and all of them. Do all of that weird stuff.
Oh my gosh. That's okay.
So listeners open those Sailors versus once again.
Chris, where exactly were you at its first Peter 3 as at the end
of Of the Church of the third chapter starting in.
I just, I read from verses 18 to the end of the chapter, go back
open. First, Peter, 3:18, to the end
of the chapter, go read that for yourselves and pray about it and
say God, what what's really going on here?
And you might be pleasantly surprised that if we ask God
something in accordance with his word, how he can give us some
Revelation, some insight, and help it to connect together.
So I'm going to read one. I'm going to read a weird one
here myself, okay? This is Jeremiah 19 verse 9.
And I will cause them to eat the Flesh of their sons and the
Flesh of their daughters and they shall eat everyone.
The Flesh of his friend in The Siege and straightness.
We're in their enemies and they that seek their lives shall
straighten it with them. That was the King James version.
I don't know what version this is, but I'm going to read.
I'm going to read this one as well.
I will make them eat the Flesh of their sons and daughters and
they will eat. One another's flesh because
their Amy's will press the siege so hard against them to destroy
them. That's a weird first man.
Jeremiah 99 I'm pretty sure you knock.
Might have a field day with that.
One up. I might send that to him after
this recording. Can I break that?
Can I break that down for you? Let's go, if you go back and you
look at Jeremiah, if you go back in verse like we get first for,
he says, because they have forsaken me and they have deface
this place and they have made smoke offerings in it to other
gods whom they have not known they nor their ancestors.
The kings of Judah, and they have filled up this place with
the blood of the innocent there. So there and okay, verse 5 and
they have built the high places of Baal but all to turn their
children in the fire. Burnt offerings to Baal which I
commanded not and I ordered not and it did not come to my mind.
So what's happening here is you've got the people of Israel
who are sacrificing their children.
To bail. But all so what's happening is
and I can off the top of my head, I don't know what force is
coming in but whenever Israel rejects God God judges Israel in
those judgments you typically come in the form of an invasion
of foreign army coming in and taking possession of the land.
Even Eiling, you know, taking Israelites as slaves back to,
you know, like Babylon. So the siege of these talking
about its Siege Warfare, right? Like they've got their City
walls. So these armies are surrounding
the city, they're coming because the Lord essentially has has
brought them in its judgment on Israel for them.
Not only rejecting him worshipping these false gods who
are the Fallen Watchers, by the way.
But Sacrificing their own children is saying, you're going
to, you're going to eat them and what would happen in Siege
Warfare starve you out? You would have no food Dave
starve you out. I mean, people would literally,
they would eat, would they would eat leather and and when it got
bad enough, they would eat their own children.
What? So then this is a strong
judgment coming against the people of Israel for for their
worship of Baal. It's wild in my mind that it's a
declaration that your kids. I mean, obviously we know you
just kind of broke it down for his like, hey, they're
sacrificing their children already, you know, they're
literally rejected the Lord, even if I split verse 7 and I
will cause them to Fall by the sword before their enemies.
And by the hands of Of them that seek their lives and their
carcasses. I will give to be neat for the
fowls of the heavens and for the beasts of the earth.
And I will make this city desolate and the hissing,
everyone that passes by shall be astonished and hiss, because of
all the plagues thereof and then verse 9 is, I will cause them to
eat the Flesh of their sons and daughters.
It's wild. What scares me about that.
Also is what we see going on in this nation.
The Versus the generations are being cut off, and I say that
again because that we're seeing practices that are put up on a
pedestal in this country where people actually think it's cool
to transition out of what you were born as it's.
So listen bizarre, I mean wrap my head around it.
Yeah, I mean, you're talking, you're talking about the, the
trains of the trans movement, but what we, what we had, you
know what, you know what probably pales in comparison.
Comparison to the child sacrifice.
That was going on with what's real abortion in this country
not Generations. I mean, tens of millions of
children were sacrificed over since, you know, Roe v-- Wade
which is like, what? Like in the 70s.
So for, you know, roughly 40 to 50 years and to be honest, dude,
I'm an Air Force veteran. Grew up Saying the Pledge of
Allegiance, the national anthem saw, that kind of stuff, which
I'm learning. Now, is, is a form of
programming and mind, control and conditioning.
Because as Christians, like, I'm not, and I'm not an American,
I'm not white, I'm not a male like I'm a Christian, like my
identity is that I'm I'm in Christ in heaven.
If anyone is in Christ, you are a new creation old things have
passed away, and all things have become new.
I am a new creation in Christ, and so I say that the veteran
thing because like, I got me, I used to be so proud of my
country and like America is the greatest country in the world.
The more, the more I learn just about a lot of different stuff
in general. The more I see I'm like, yo is
America like Babylon? Like are we Babylon?
Because yeah, with not just like, not just.
The abortion, but like, the influences in this country are
insane. It's like, the more you learn
and we're not talking about conspiracy theory here, right?
Like, we're talking about abortion.
Everybody knows about abortion. You can look up the numbers of
like how many babies were aborted?
You can look up the fact that like Planned Parenthood was
selling parts of these babies to companies that are using the
parts of these babies to make flavor enhancers for their
beverages. If you're drinking a Pepsi right
now, like they use flavor enhancers from aborted, fetuses
to make to make that flavoring for that order.
And it's just it's just it's insane and like I said we're not
we're talking about fact we're not talking about conspiracy
theory. Look look up.
Operation Paperclip. Yeah.
Like when Germany fell at the end of World War Two, we brought
over so many high-ranking Nazi scientist, we brought movers
offer. Money's Warner.
Von Braun. Yep.
The ton of scientists. And so they were they were put
in influential positions in this country and many of their
grandchildren are like Representatives like in their
states. And in this, the philosophies
that are being handled down, but check this out.
So like study Eugenics to because what they did in World
War two are alike, not Germany is the Eugenics.
Like, basically, anybody who was like mentally mentally like
handicapped, like they would kill them.
If you were like homosexual, like they would, they thought
you were like, deranged? They would they would kill you.
Let's see. What was the other things they
would do with eugenic, sterilization, just all that
kind of stuff. Do you know where they got their
Eugenics program from where they got it from us?
They got it from the US. Look up Margaret Sanger who was
the founder of Planned Parenthood?
She was a famous eugenicist, one of the reasons why of vast
majority of planned parenthood's even to this day are in black
and brown neighborhoods is because they considered black
and brown people to be inferior races.
And so they wanted to try to eradicate them Hitler got those
philosophies from the US. Okay, my mind wants to go like
three different ways right now. So bear with me because I'm
remembering so much like conversations I've had with like
Gary Wayne and just other people and just looking into Hitler
myself and just history, all of this stuff, it's not conspiracy.
I actually had the definition of conspiracy pulled up your own.
Wikipedia, a conspiracy theory is an explanation for an event
or situation that asserts the existence of Conspiracy by
powerful and Sinister groups often political motivation.
I'm not going to keep reading but that's Wikipedia on
conspiracy theory. So look at the music.
You guys, I've been trying to get flf floodlight forever.
Use a rap artist from the West Coast on and I kind of get like
minor commitments from him. So flf if you're listening to
this, get back to me, bro. Let's get you on here.
He doesn't eat it. A whole YouTube channel, and all
of his music. To exposing the Illuminati
symbolism, the dark occult ritual practices in the music
industry. So here again like you're saying
Chris is, it's not a conspiracy. It's right out in the open.
It's almost like they have went from hiding from God to in
secrecy to just straight out. Here, we are, were ready for a
war with you. And your kind, is this like a
duck? They're making a declaration of
war by stealing our children, my stealing our blessings, by
stealing our mind space. Like Eating us confused and
corrupted in in the rat. Race of these systems that are
slowly breaking us down to the point where we don't have much
to offer at the end of the day after making everything happen.
Just so we can survive. We don't have much fight left in
us. How do we get this across to the
the church that these topics can be covered within all of these
gatherings that we can start to look at the word of God and say,
this is the full that the volume of the book is the truth of who
Christ is, and if we know anything About the Christ, the
Messiah, the Lamb of God, he overcame this world, he calls us
to expose the darkness in this world, he calls us to love the
Lord, our god with our mind, our heart, our body or soul and to
love our neighbor as ourselves. But yet, we are bathing in
entertainment. That is the opposite of that.
How come Chris people are supporting these crazy?
Psychopathic TV shows, but then a guy like me starts a podcast,
literally, I get people that snub me all the time.
Like all, it's just a little podcaster, I don't know.
What you talked about and it's like, but you'll sit there and
congratulate and, oh, yeah, oh, this is great, you know, psycho
murder TV show and then you'll go to church on Sunday and
float. Your hands up in the air and
worship. Jesus.
But nobody's out here, actually saying, yo, this is what the
word says, and we need to be coming together.
We need momentum to stand against this Darkness.
So, sorry, I went on a rant there, man.
But really, that's just me. You know, me, come on.
We talk like this off. Are we talk like this on the
phone? They're just write me.
You got me in the mood, bro. Yeah, bro.
Well I was just going to say like probably more important
than ever for us. Like if you call yourself a
Christian to know why you believe what you believe to be
solid in your beliefs and your understanding, because what has
happened is, There's a breakdown.
In what, what everything is, the definition of everything is
questioned and it's an agenda. If you want to destroy a system
you or if you want to start a new system, Across a population,
like a large population, you've got to First destroy.
What's already? There are even within a person
when you go into like, military basic training, One aspect of
military that they have to do, they want, they've got to break
you down to build you back up. They want to be able to mold you
and shape you. So, we've got forces constantly
coming against us, trying to break us down.
And when I say, forces, I'm talking about, like, forces of
evil and forces of Darkness, not just like people absolute and
the enemy hates us. I think primarily because As
we're human. And so everything that the enemy
is doing to us the spiritual attacks, how he's influencing
other humans to try to destroy us and break us down.
It's all meant to dehumanize us. One aspect of us being whole in
Christ is knowing what we believe, and why we believe it.
So there's a guy. I don't agree with everything
that that he believes or, he said, but generally over all his
work is work as great, his name is Hank, Hanna graph and he's
got a show called The Bible answer, man.
And his big books are really good, like he's a really good
apologist. And so, for me, like years ago,
when I was trying to learn like, okay, what's like, essential
Christian doctrine and I forget what this term is, but he'll
take a word and he'll break it down in the word is Doctrine,
okay, like how do I know like what?
What's essential Christian doctrine?
So, an easy way to remember this is to take that word Doctrine, d
stands, for the deity of Christ, o stands for original sin.
The crucifixion, the Trinity, the resurrection Incarnation new
creation and then eschatology. So yeah, check out hand counter
graph stuff. Because for me, I'm like, when
I'm when I Thinking about essential Christian doctrine,
that's a good starting point of running through those aspects of
Doctrine as he as he's broken it down and he's got he's got a
bunch of other ones like that for four different things that
you want to remember, as far as being able to communicate what
you believe, and remembering that stuff.
Because deep man, you're a wealth of information, wisdom
and good reference man. This is good.
I'm going to ask you what is the most rewarding thing that doing
the podcast. It's what's the ripple effect
that you've caught wind of? That's helped you to just
realize, like, I'm not letting off the gas.
Yeah, I'd have to say, the reason why we started a podcast
community. So when we set out on to Duke a
mon we decided that the way we're going to treat people as
and this is kind of how I live my life.
In general. I believe in treating everybody
with dignity and respect, no matter who you are, no matter
what you look like. So, We said we're not going to
call people fans. You know when we talked about
earlier like these are fans of our show like we don't we don't
even use that like language when we talk about it.
When we talk about people who like we interact with we're like
these are friends. These are our friends.
These are so if you hear me say like a friend of the show like
that's what I mean. I'm like it could be someone
who's listening someone who is a member of camper Mon and who's
in like our private Facebook group.
I'm like these are my friends. So the biggest impact that I've
had It is being able to make these genuine connections with
people that like that message, me, or that become members.
And we're interacting for me, bro.
It's all about the community. It feels really good to not feel
like I'm alone. Sometimes I'm like I don't even
know with certain things if I believe this but I'm like
looking into it. And it's really interesting and
it's entertaining and it's strange and it's fun.
But like yeah, man for me About the community.
It's all about making these genuine connections and like our
friendship has come out of Doink a mon, because I remember, I
forget, I think it was like one Sunday, you messaged me and I
just was like, I was about to draw.
I had like an hour drive. So I just randomly was like, I'm
gonna call, I'm going to call Rod, you had messaged me.
So I called you. And I don't know, we were on the
phone. For what?
Like two hours. Yeah, that first conversation,
that's what I love about doing the podcast is, developing these
friendships. Ships in this this community.
I think it's amazing. I needed it, bro.
I was in a place in my life because of just some really bad,
you know, relational stuff. We're and then that church hurt
for years like I didn't really have any friends.
And so now I'm like making these like genuine connections and
even though, you know, you're in PA and I'm in Tennessee and Judd
is in Texas and tories in Kansas, and Mike is in, I think
he's in Montana, you know, Knock is in Canada, eh.
Yeah, so yeah, bro. Just those, those connections in
those relationships, man, have been the most impactful for me.
The other stuff is cool like getting to talk to like, you
know, subject matter experts and and have those conversations.
That's definitely like, super fun.
Getting to become friends with dr.
Judd just amazing, you know. Wow, so for you, you've been
going at this for a few years now.
Has it been more than a few was a 4/5?
It's four years from the mustard seed for years.
It's alive somehow. Yeah, man.
So like what about you? What's had the most the biggest
impact on you? These last all I'ma say these
last four years but like within the last like year or so, what's
been the most impactful thing that you've experienced through
doing your show? So, one of the most impactful
things is, I've gotten a couple messages and emails from other
believers out there. I knew the moment I read, what
they had sent me that I had been in that exact position before
alone, broken suicidal ideations dealing with PTSD, just
literally feeling the weight of rejection from from the world
and not knowing my place, but yet.
Knowing, there's something so much more and that the
anticipation for just the next chapter of life to open up.
It's like you keep hanging on your, like, I don't want to
leave, but I want to leave so bad.
This place is so, tough is so hard and I've gotten messages
from people, and I would just start reading it and I would
just start to drop a tear and I'd be so humble, because I
know, I know I was in that position before. to realize that
God had taken me from such a broken place and was somehow
allowing me to be a magnet for other people like that and to
give them hope because of the hope that I have in Christ, it
like blew my mind dude, like crush me well, Well, that's why
I'm doing this. I mean, you know, I say yeah,
I'm capturing the journey, I am capturing the growth.
It's almost like a really long audio documentary of just things
that I'm wondering and asking, I mean, it's not, it's just like,
you know, climactic 0 points, of conversations, and friendships
and adventure of all this cool stuff that I think is in the
Bible. I'm not ashamed of the Bible.
But realizing that God had switched the tables and then was
using me to reach other people that were devastated were alone
or just didn't know what to do. They listened.
And they just said, I feel like there's something deeper and,
you know, there's stuff that you talked about that, I just
haven't heard anywhere else. It made me realize that that's
who God is after The lost the broken, the sick, the rejected,
the ones who nobody knows, you know, that's who I'm speaking
for me. I know I edit my take my time
editing, people are was like man so keep forever.
She really said I was in, I'm like, I'm learning my craft as I
go. Autodidact there, Gilbert told
me self-taught and all this stuff.
Nobody just teach me. So I take my time with the show
and I edit and and I care about the Bible and, you know, some of
the topics I try to bring up. I don't always We have the best
answers or know the context, but I'm doing it because I believe
every episode has there something in there?
There's a nugget in there, a reminder encouragement,
edification eye-openers that somebody out there is going to
here and if it helps just one person, That's enough of a
reason for me to stay in it. Yeah yeah I mean I got to say I
love the thing I love about your show is again the authenticity.
You're just you're real, you're genuine and I love feeling like
I'm going on this journey with you list with every episode that
I listen to. I'm still working through the
Mike Davis episode. I think about I'm a little over
halfway through or so, man. Incredible, everything,
incredible. I love it, bro.
As listeners. You guys are incredible because
we all have a story and I've had some of you guys reach out to me
and I've actually scheduled a couple interviews for towards
the end of summer right around the corner.
Even so that some you guys can share your testimonies and
stories which is heartfelt for me and Chris, you're awesome.
It seems people like you coming up and starting a show and then
collaborating and just the humility to say I'm willing to
connect and there aren't fans. There's just other family
members and we're trying to find out how we can say hello and how
we can hang our hat, he got together.
And and that's important for me to.
It's a very humbling and I accept your kind words, man.
And I just am thankful thankful for our friendship.
Thankful for this episode right here, I know God's word never
returns void. The days are drawing dark in the
Light of Christ is is shining through those who who trust him.
And I just want to encourage the listeners and everybody just
just keep us in prayer. No.
Pray for crisp rice over at the camp, Herman podcast, the whole
crew. You know, keep me in prayer.
Over here, we're one, big family, keep all of us in
prayer. We need the encouragement.
Go like share, subscribe to his show.
Support this podcast. If you guys want to give a
dollar a month, five dollars a month, Help Me Grow this
ministry. Humble posted ready and willing?
Because I know that God is going to continue to equip us with
more people, more gift, more protection.
More anointing, because we are not called to hide from the
darkness were called to expose it in advance against it.
Taking every thought captive to Christ.
So Chris, my last question will be if you had one last message
to share with the body of Christ, what would it be?
Hmm, I just want to encourage everybody Fellowship.
Don't try to go it alone and whatever you're doing in your
life. I know it can be hard in
different seasons of life, but I just want to encourage
everybody. If you don't have a community at
the very least, fine like something, maybe some sort of
like online community but as far as like church, family finds
something, find a Bible study, to go to even just fine one
brother or sister to connect with ask the Lord to put one
person or community. Your path, ask him and he will
do it communities. Just so important.
The enemy loves nothing more than to get us isolated and
alone because that's where he can really just go to work.
Because when we're isolated and were alone kind of out were
exposed, we're not under a covering or protection that we
have when we're apart of a fellowship, even if it's just
the fellowship with one or two other believers.
So that's that's, that's my message get in.
Community. Even if it's a very small one,
get that encouragement and that is an epic truthful.
Message that holds weight and holds power because God wants
the brothers coming together. Dwelling in unity having one
likeness of mind. There's one Spirit one truth and
one baptism you guys but a diversity of gifts, bro.
Iron sharpens iron. So one man, sharpens.
Another, if you're alone, you are dull and What is the one
Rusty? Yeah, exactly.
We want to be sharp and just cutting the enemy down us and we
can only do that together for that, man.
That it was great, man. I loved it.
I appreciate you inviting me on. I know you guys are doing tons
of documentaries and covering some awesome stuff and, and
hopefully, we'll get to a point in time where some weird stuff
for a. It could be covered.
Maybe enough that I could be here.
Yeah, dude. Help me sick, Bro.
Oh absolutely remember life is temporary.
So keep your eyes on Christ and keep that light lit up keep oil
in your lamp. Coming to you from Southeastern
Pennsylvania, God Bless America. Goodbye.
In the Beast with his gone with a voice that sounded like
thunder. Walking on the street of goes,
here's a thing. He's like like me.
Upon his throne has 10,000 pounds.
Ten thousand saying we found, maybe Glory Glory.
We pray. Crazed Jesus, please don't.
In that see CD, there's a river flowing from God's holy Throne,
where the tree of life is blooming, where the hell has not
been no more lives in that. Write CD date will have to flee
away. No more sin sickness.
No more heartaches here that lame the perfect day Glory.
Glory we have praise the Lord. Praise the name of Jesus.
Our blessed. There's a take able in that
country City, we at the site of old with a truck, Who's for me
handy to never see her anymore. I'm going home to the lake.
So bright to walk the streets of Jesus.
Glory Glory? We have praised forever.
Praise the Holy Name of Jesus. Please don't.
Is bless the Lord. Is bless the Lord.